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| 00:02.30 | kdag | why is it that my changes to /etc/motd are not persistent? |
| 00:03.00 | kdag | i mean, i reboot and they dont take effect |
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| 00:04.41 | kdag | my hd mounts like this: |
| 00:04.43 | kdag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.30 | Yamakiri | can someone tell me how to resolve this install problem? http://yama.pastebin.com/m315ecccb |
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| 00:09.39 | DrCortex | I was installing the netinst and I got to partitioning my harddisk then I tried to resize a secion just by about 18 GB and then it stayed at the blue screen for a minute then the laptop restarted and went into windows |
| 00:09.45 | DrCortex | gah |
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| 00:11.19 | Yamakiri | I've been doing this netinst for about 7 hours, and it can't find the "codename for release" |
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| 00:11.23 | Yamakiri | http://yama.pastebin.com/m315ecccb |
| 00:11.55 | davidisko | hi guys, i've done mkfs.ext3 on one of my logical volumes... data is very very important (it's commercial web portal)... any ideas how to get data back? |
| 00:12.16 | DrCortex | toshiba laptop, 250 GB HDD, 3 GB ram, amd dual core 64 x2 processor |
| 00:12.37 | DrCortex | the amd64 version of the disk is the kind for that processor right |
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| 00:13.33 | DrCortex | the disk has no scratches or dust or dirt |
| 00:13.41 | Yamakiri | DrCortex: you're having problems with the amd64 netinst too? How ironic |
| 00:14.16 | DrCortex | well how am I supposed to fix it |
| 00:14.39 | DrCortex | I think I've heard some option had to be turned off in the bios on laptops I think |
| 00:14.41 | Element14 | davidisko: i'd back up the corrupted volume (use dd or whatever), then see if anybody's willing to help you recover the stuff for a fee |
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| 00:16.25 | davidisko | Element14: i've double formatted it.. is there any hope? |
| 00:16.29 | DrCortex | so nobody knows how I should fix this then .-. |
| 00:16.47 | Element14 | format as in mkfs? |
| 00:16.57 | davidisko | yes |
| 00:17.11 | Element14 | perhaps. I'm no expert :( |
| 00:17.24 | davidisko | great |
| 00:17.37 | DrCortex | aggggggh |
| 00:17.48 | Tekno | hello |
| 00:18.02 | Element14 | i guess people with experience develping filesystems might be able to help you if you give enough financial incentive :-/ |
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| 00:18.23 | DrCortex | do you know how to make a amd64 netinst not crash during partitioning |
| 00:18.53 | Tekno | what is consolekit-daemon? |
| 00:19.04 | lostson | mine didnt crash did it give you an error ? or just crash |
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| 00:19.28 | DrCortex | I pressed enter on the new partition size and it stayed on a blank blue screen for a minute, then it restarted |
| 00:20.09 | davidisko | Element14: which one? |
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| 00:20.24 | Element14 | what do you mean which one? |
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| 00:21.07 | lostson | chanes are if you wrote new partitions and put a filesystem on there that most of you data is gone |
| 00:21.30 | lostson | you would probably have to seek out some company that could recover things from the hd and that is costly |
| 00:21.34 | Yamakiri | Can someone tell me how to resolve this installation problem with amd64? It can't get past the "install the base system" part of the install http://yama.pastebin.com/m315ecccb |
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| 00:22.08 | DrCortex | I was resizing the windows vista partition and it's fine |
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| 00:22.41 | DrCortex | I think dpkg said I can use the i386 instead and it would work better, is that true |
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| 00:23.43 | lostson | possibly |
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| 00:24.00 | DrCortex | eh I'll just try that then |
| 00:24.25 | lostson | good luck |
| 00:24.49 | DrCortex | why does netinst only have stable and not testing or unstable |
| 00:24.59 | DrCortex | nevermind I see it |
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| 00:26.22 | Yamakiri | If I filed a bug report, how long do you all think it'd take before it was resolved, or at least responded to? |
| 00:26.40 | DrCortex | one parsec |
| 00:26.42 | valdyn | Yamakiri: anything between few minutes and never |
| 00:26.54 | Yamakiri | valdyn: never? |
| 00:27.07 | valdyn | Yamakiri: yes |
| 00:27.09 | Yamakiri | so that means it'll probably take a week or two? |
| 00:27.18 | valdyn | Yamakiri: no? |
| 00:27.18 | DrCortex | one or two parsecs |
| 00:27.50 | Yamakiri | valdyn: how long will it likely take? |
| 00:27.56 | valdyn | Yamakiri: what i just said |
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| 00:28.06 | peleg | Is there a difference between "touch file" and "> file" ? |
| 00:28.18 | Yamakiri | valdyn: that's extremely vague |
| 00:28.25 | valdyn | Yamakiri: yes it is |
| 00:28.32 | valdyn | Yamakiri: but its how things are |
| 00:28.36 | Yamakiri | um.... |
| 00:28.44 | Yamakiri | valdyn: have you ever filed a bug report? |
| 00:28.52 | valdyn | Yamakiri: a few |
| 00:29.05 | Yamakiri | valdyn: on average how long did they take to resolve? |
| 00:29.12 | valdyn | Yamakiri: less than a day |
| 00:29.21 | Yamakiri | oh okay |
| 00:29.25 | pozic | Yamakiri, I had one fixed about 8 months after I reported it and others fixed in weeks. |
| 00:29.39 | Yamakiri | I'll expect a week before a response then |
| 00:29.46 | Yamakiri | thanks |
| 00:29.50 | valdyn | Yamakiri: responsiveness is entirely up to the responsible debian developer |
| 00:29.54 | pozic | Yamakiri, in general the fix won't help _you_, but by doing it you will help the rest. |
| 00:30.01 | pozic | Yamakiri, and sometimes, the rest is _you_. |
| 00:30.02 | valdyn | Yamakiri: and he could die and the package could be orphaned |
| 00:30.08 | valdyn | Yamakiri: but thats just worst case |
| 00:30.13 | pozic | Yamakiri, so, it's mostly a good thing to report bugs. |
| 00:30.27 | Yamakiri | oh... |
| 00:30.45 | DrCortex | I got these chocolate things with a penguin on them that looked like tux |
| 00:31.08 | valdyn | Yamakiri: the more users your package has, the faster on average your bug should be responded to |
| 00:31.32 | pozic | valdyn, that rule doesn't work for mudballs like Firefox ;) |
| 00:31.41 | Yamakiri | valdyn: is amd64 have a lot of users? :/ |
| 00:31.47 | valdyn | pozic: sure, just on average |
| 00:32.02 | valdyn | Yamakiri: you are reporting a bug against the entire architecture? |
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| 00:32.09 | pozic | valdyn, yes, I am sure you understand the issues. |
| 00:32.17 | Yamakiri | [19:31:08]<valdyn>Yamakiri: the more users your package has, the faster on average your bug should be responded to |
| 00:32.22 | Yamakiri | no just one bug |
| 00:32.29 | DrCortex | how fast on averge do iso downloads go for you? mine is at about 180 kb/s |
| 00:32.34 | pozic | Yamakiri, is it arch dependent then? |
| 00:32.44 | Yamakiri | I... don't know :/ |
| 00:33.06 | Yamakiri | I have the error here http://yama.pastebin.com/m315ecccb |
| 00:33.10 | pozic | Yamakiri, so, maybe it's also on i386. |
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| 00:33.43 | valdyn | Yamakiri: the installer is done by a team and its an essential part of debian.. response shouldnt be to slow |
| 00:34.26 | Yamakiri | oh okay so I'll boot debian and on this computer and "aptitude install reportbug; reportbug" |
| 00:34.48 | abusenode | 15 0 10432 3704 2780 R 99.9 0.2 1:11.90 smbd |
| 00:34.50 | abusenode | ... what gives? |
| 00:34.58 | abusenode | why is it taking up 99% cpu while copying files? |
| 00:35.06 | valdyn | abusenode: something is borked |
| 00:35.12 | abusenode | um, dod tell. |
| 00:35.14 | abusenode | dod=do |
| 00:36.59 | Tekno | what is console-kit-daemon |
| 00:37.05 | Tekno | and why do I have many of them running |
| 00:37.07 | DrCortex | how long does a netinst installation take on average |
| 00:37.26 | valdyn | Tekno: why did you install it? |
| 00:37.31 | valdyn | Tekno: consolekit - framework for defining and tracking users, sessions and seats |
| 00:38.05 | Tekno | I cant remove if because of dependecies |
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| 00:38.09 | Tekno | if=it |
| 00:38.47 | valdyn | Tekno: that can only be policykit? |
| 00:39.07 | Tekno | yea and network-manager-gnome etc |
| 00:39.31 | abusenode | ya this is pretty ridiculous |
| 00:39.38 | abusenode | both reads and writes, 100% cpu usage on smbd. |
| 00:39.47 | valdyn | Tekno: network-manager does not need consolekit |
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| 00:40.18 | abusenode | wait what hte fuck |
| 00:40.25 | valdyn | abusenode: dont ass iowait to cpu usage |
| 00:40.32 | valdyn | abusenode: dont *add* iowait to cpu usage |
| 00:41.19 | abusenode | valdyn: uh, the system is obviously slow during this operation |
| 00:41.38 | Tekno | valdyn: yea but it needs policykit |
| 00:41.40 | dustybin | if i compile and install the v4l tv drivers manually, do kernel drivers get installed into /lib/modules/kernelblabla ? |
| 00:41.44 | Tekno | which needs konsolekit |
| 00:41.47 | Tekno | consolekit |
| 00:42.02 | abusenode | and yeah so, this is supposed to be a dual core machine |
| 00:42.09 | abusenode | but i only see cpu 0 in /proc/cpuinfo?? |
| 00:42.20 | abusenode | but uname says SMP wtf. |
| 00:42.27 | mavhc | bios? |
| 00:42.41 | abusenode | um, no its fine there. |
| 00:42.44 | abusenode | nothing is disabled. |
| 00:43.09 | abusenode | Processor #0 6:15 APIC version 1 | Processor #1 6:15 APIC version 1 |
| 00:43.12 | abusenode | i see the crap in dmesg |
| 00:43.56 | abusenode | Initializing CPU#0 ... Booting processor 1/1 eip 3000 | Not responding. | CPU #1 not responding - cannot use it |
| 00:44.00 | abusenode | lol i guess that answers that. |
| 00:44.01 | abusenode | go linux. |
| 00:44.28 | abusenode | i didnt even notice hmm. |
| 00:44.49 | abusenode | whats the 'official' way to upgrade from this stale 2.6.18 kernel to something a bit more modern? |
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| 00:48.21 | abusenode | so anyone know? |
| 00:48.27 | teratoma | what package can i use to install a password protected web proxy ? |
| 00:48.34 | abusenode | how about squid. |
| 00:48.44 | efaistos | what do you use for web stats ? |
| 00:48.48 | teratoma | i dont know. would that work ? |
| 00:49.00 | abusenode | well its the most common web proxy, so i would assume yes. |
| 00:49.08 | teratoma | i want someoene not on my local net to be able to use it |
| 00:49.14 | abusenode | sure |
| 00:49.16 | efaistos | knows about awstats but was wondering if there is something better maybe ... |
| 00:49.24 | abusenode | i do that exact thing, except without password |
| 00:49.28 | abusenode | since its only listening on local net. |
| 00:49.44 | abusenode | use squid3 package acutally, since thats newer stuff) |
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| 00:49.54 | teratoma | yes , i want to let someone not on my local net use it, and password protect it. i haven't been able to do that with squid |
| 00:50.31 | abusenode | there's stuff on the internet from 2001 that says how to enable user authentication wiht squid. |
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| 00:51.45 | abusenode | http://www.opensourcehowto.org/how-to/squid/squid-with-pam-authentication.html etc etc, probably not debian specific but shouldnt matter |
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| 00:52.16 | abusenode | cmon how the dick do i upgrade from 2.6.18 to something recent 'teh debian way' |
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| 00:53.37 | abusenode | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 is this what i need? |
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| 00:57.26 | abusenode | .. anyone? |
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| 00:58.20 | petemc | abusenode: yes |
| 00:58.29 | abusenode | yes, what do I do with it? |
| 00:58.47 | petemc | install it |
| 00:58.55 | abusenode | and what happens to the .18? |
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| 00:59.19 | petemc | nothing, you just dont use it |
| 00:59.26 | petemc | you're free to remove it |
| 00:59.44 | petemc | tho some people like keeping a known working kernel around |
| 00:59.45 | Element14 | if you set your bootloader right then you should be presented with two kernels when booting |
| 00:59.55 | abusenode | well i just need the new one working thats all. |
| 01:00.04 | Element14 | don't remove it until you get the new one to boot |
| 01:00.05 | abusenode | hopefully it will fix hte dual cpu issue haha. |
| 01:00.11 | abusenode | so if i install that image |
| 01:00.15 | abusenode | and reboot, it will be the new one? |
| 01:00.18 | abusenode | or do i need to change other stuff. |
| 01:01.44 | lostson | grub should pop up and give you a list of kernels to choose from |
| 01:01.45 | abusenode | looks like it added stuff in as-is |
| 01:01.53 | abusenode | lets see if it works |
| 01:02.05 | Yamakiri | filed a bug report |
| 01:02.18 | stoned | yay! |
| 01:02.24 | stoned | !beer Yamakiri |
| 01:02.24 | dpkg | pours a litre of Bornem Tripple for Yamakiri |
| 01:02.35 | Yamakiri | :P |
| 01:03.20 | Yamakiri | stoned: I just get the feeling the devs aren't going to care enough that amd64 has build problems for one user :( |
| 01:03.35 | stoned | triage. |
| 01:03.49 | stoned | in some weird sense |
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| 01:04.33 | lostson | Yamakiri: why not i filed one today that only affects amd64 |
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| 01:04.43 | lostson | or 64 in general i guess |
| 01:04.59 | Yamakiri | lostson: what's your problem? |
| 01:05.14 | Decepticon | how to check what type of hdd i have |
| 01:05.17 | lostson | i had a problem with moc |
| 01:05.37 | stoned | Decepticon, what do you mean like sata or pata? |
| 01:05.40 | stoned | or scsi? |
| 01:05.41 | Decepticon | yes |
| 01:05.46 | stoned | hwinfo maybe? |
| 01:05.52 | Yamakiri | oh |
| 01:06.07 | lostson | open the case and look |
| 01:06.11 | stoned | usually ide/pata is hd* and sata(which is read as scsi) is sd* |
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| 01:06.22 | stoned | what are your hdd device nodes? |
| 01:06.23 | lostson | hmm is the debian mailing list that quiet today or is my server acting up |
| 01:06.26 | Decepticon | its a remote machine |
| 01:06.39 | stoned | hdparm? |
| 01:06.43 | abusenode | well new junk doesnt boot |
| 01:06.44 | lostson | oh well egg on my face then Decepticon |
| 01:06.48 | yitz_ | I installed fam (file alteration monitor). Then I uninstalled it. Why do I still have a file /etc/init.d/fam ? |
| 01:06.51 | abusenode | but gets far enough to still do same single cpu crap |
| 01:07.06 | Decepticon | gives lostson eggs to rub on his face |
| 01:07.14 | lostson | lol |
| 01:08.41 | Decepticon | is there something better than hwinfo |
| 01:08.48 | Decepticon | hwinfo is too much extraneous info |
| 01:09.00 | Decepticon | just need to determine type of hdd attached |
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| 01:11.06 | bzed | Decepticon: which kind of hdd? |
| 01:11.21 | danic | Hello! |
| 01:11.42 | Ace2016_- | hi |
| 01:11.49 | bzed | Decepticon: look into /sys/block/sda for example |
| 01:12.03 | bzed | Decepticon: err, /sys/block/sda/device |
| 01:12.07 | bzed | there you should find all info |
| 01:12.10 | danic | When the password field in shadow is "x", what does that mean? |
| 01:13.34 | danic | In 'man shadow' I can see, that an encrypted has to be at least 13 chars long. |
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| 01:14.22 | abusenode | so back to my smbd 100% thing. |
| 01:14.28 | abusenode | the system feels noticeably laggy |
| 01:14.33 | abusenode | while stuff copies |
| 01:14.37 | abusenode | and network goes at like 3-4meg/sec |
| 01:14.40 | abusenode | whcih is pretty horrible |
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| 01:23.05 | Element14 | danic: it means that the user has no password (and not an empty password) |
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| 01:23.40 | danic | So no one can logon? |
| 01:23.48 | Element14 | depends. |
| 01:24.06 | Element14 | for example the root user can su into that user |
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| 01:24.24 | danic | Providing an empty password? |
| 01:24.34 | danic | sorry |
| 01:24.36 | danic | forget it ^^ |
| 01:24.40 | Element14 | root does not need to provide a password when su-ing into another user |
| 01:25.08 | danic | I just used a user :) |
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| 01:26.34 | ringo999 | what is as good picture slideshow app for debian lenny? |
| 01:27.06 | danic | Element14 thank you. |
| 01:27.21 | Element14 | np |
| 01:28.00 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone have a howto for dante-server? |
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| 01:29.46 | SuperB | How can i check which is my cdrom drive? i try to mount my "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom" but its not working. |
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| 01:30.22 | SuperB | i do have *sda there |
| 01:30.48 | SuperB | can someone please help me out |
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| 01:31.05 | abusenode | dmesg, look for cdrom stuff. |
| 01:31.39 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, sda is your hard drive |
| 01:31.49 | HardDisk_WP | you look for /dev/sr0 or /dev/sg0 |
| 01:32.31 | SuperB | no *sr or *sg |
| 01:32.45 | abusenode | 10:31 < abusenode> dmesg, look for cdrom stuff. |
| 01:32.46 | SuperB | abusenode: i didn't see anything in "dmesg" |
| 01:32.47 | abusenode | stop being silly. |
| 01:32.52 | abusenode | then you dont have a cdrom |
| 01:33.01 | SuperB | i do |
| 01:33.31 | abusenode | why the hell do oyu have a scsi cdrom in 2008 anyway. |
| 01:33.54 | HardDisk_WP | abusenode, eh...any USB enclosed or SATA CD rom drive is sdX |
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| 01:34.07 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, run dmesg|grep cdrom |
| 01:34.13 | HardDisk_WP | Paste the output into pastebin.com |
| 01:34.19 | SuperB | im using laptop, |
| 01:34.23 | HardDisk_WP | Okay |
| 01:34.29 | HardDisk_WP | then maybe it's still ide |
| 01:34.38 | HardDisk_WP | is a /dev/hda present? |
| 01:34.46 | SuperB | well using VMware . debian is guest |
| 01:35.10 | SuperB | HardDisk_WP: *hdc |
| 01:35.30 | SuperB | ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 01:35.30 | SuperB | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2008-12-25 14:09 /dev/hdc |
| 01:35.45 | SuperB | its my cdrom? |
| 01:35.50 | HardDisk_WP | Yes! |
| 01:35.53 | HardDisk_WP | This one is it |
| 01:35.56 | SuperB | o_O |
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| 01:36.05 | abusenode | say merry christmas to your cdrom |
| 01:36.10 | SuperB | hehe |
| 01:36.12 | HardDisk_WP | You should have told earlier it's VMWare^^ |
| 01:36.29 | SuperB | HardDisk_WP: i m really sorry .. well yes i have to mention first. |
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| 01:36.32 | HardDisk_WP | abusenode, please stop those useless comments |
| 01:36.40 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, no problem^^ |
| 01:36.46 | SuperB | HardDisk_WP: is there any problem in this? mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom |
| 01:36.46 | SuperB | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:36.53 | HardDisk_WP | yeah. |
| 01:37.00 | HardDisk_WP | have you inserted a DVD or a CD? |
| 01:37.05 | abusenode | SuperB: you may want to actually put a cd in |
| 01:37.16 | HardDisk_WP | abusenode, ... |
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| 01:37.23 | SuperB | HardDisk_WP: well im trying to install VMware tool, i dont have cd for that.. |
| 01:37.27 | abusenode | and seeing how its vmware, you probably want to configure the virtualcdrom to point to a particular place |
| 01:37.28 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, ah. |
| 01:37.37 | HardDisk_WP | abusenode, I take from here... |
| 01:37.53 | abusenode | SuperB: clicky install vmware tools first, THEN try mounting it. |
| 01:37.55 | SuperB | i got option under VMware saying that install VMware tools then its saying mount ur cdrom.. then run that config.pl |
| 01:37.56 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, first of all, you have activated the setup point? |
| 01:38.13 | HardDisk_WP | okay, have you activated the setup in the vmware menu? |
| 01:38.15 | SuperB | yA i cliced that tab saying install VMWare tool |
| 01:38.21 | HardDisk_WP | OK |
| 01:38.23 | HardDisk_WP | Now. |
| 01:38.29 | HardDisk_WP | run file -s /dev/hdc |
| 01:38.37 | HardDisk_WP | it should give you one line, please paste it here |
| 01:39.00 | SuperB | /dev/hdc: writable, no read permission |
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| 01:39.47 | HardDisk_WP | hmm...run it as root, please |
| 01:39.51 | HardDisk_WP | sudo file -s /dev/hdc |
| 01:39.55 | SuperB | HardDisk_WP: ya im root |
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| 01:40.02 | SuperB | whoami |
| 01:40.02 | SuperB | root |
| 01:40.04 | SuperB | :S |
| 01:40.08 | HardDisk_WP | Hm. |
| 01:40.10 | HardDisk_WP | OK |
| 01:40.26 | HardDisk_WP | then...file -s /dev/?d* |
| 01:41.03 | SuperB | it gave me more texts, do i paste it pastebin? |
| 01:41.43 | abusenode | HardDisk_WP: vmware virtual cdrom is hdc, thanks |
| 01:41.59 | abusenode | he's failing on a whole new level here. |
| 01:42.13 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, yes please |
| 01:42.16 | SuperB | http://pastebin.com/d3cb3ca1f |
| 01:42.23 | HardDisk_WP | abusenode, depends on how he configured it |
| 01:42.43 | HardDisk_WP | but in this case, it is hdc |
| 01:42.57 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, try dd if=/dev/hdc of=/tmp/test |
| 01:43.29 | LoveGuru | Sorry i m new .. i can't understand. |
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| 01:43.48 | stoned | you can't understand ? |
| 01:43.50 | stoned | because you're new? |
| 01:43.55 | stoned | that makes no sense to me |
| 01:44.00 | LoveGuru | sorry wrong channel |
| 01:44.00 | abusenode | i'm newer. |
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| 01:45.32 | abusenode | HardDisk_WP: shouldnt he try to chmod it to make it readable or something |
| 01:45.38 | abusenode | sounds like a fucked install more than anything anyway |
| 01:45.47 | abusenode | do they still use devfs or whatever the hell in 2008? |
| 01:45.57 | abusenode | that was a bad idea back when they first introduced it, its probably still just as broken. |
| 01:46.00 | SuperB | HardDisk_WP: dd: opening `/dev/hdc': No medium found |
| 01:46.11 | abusenode | oh, its udev now. |
| 01:46.16 | abusenode | SuperB: you didnt clicky install vmware tools stuff. |
| 01:46.42 | SuperB | abusenode: i did.. The option is not enable anymore because i hit it |
| 01:46.45 | abusenode | hm. |
| 01:46.54 | abusenode | and its the only cd in vmware? |
| 01:47.14 | abusenode | what does vm/removable devices/cd/dvd say? |
| 01:47.18 | abusenode | (menu) |
| 01:48.31 | SuperB | abusenode: i didn't see anything there. which menu u talking about? |
| 01:48.45 | RichiH | is there any meta-package/setting that will always grab the i18n-de packages, as well? |
| 01:49.00 | abusenode | "VM -> Removable Device -> CD/DVD |
| 01:50.01 | SuperB | abusenode: ya there is *tick* there saying Cd/DVD (IDE)(USING drive F) |
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| 01:50.44 | abusenode | shouldnt it be using the |
| 01:50.46 | abusenode | lunix iso image |
| 01:50.48 | abusenode | for vmware tools |
| 01:51.02 | abusenode | clciky settings |
| 01:51.10 | abusenode | and manually point it to vmware\s program dir/linux.iso |
| 01:51.18 | abusenode | duno why the button shit didnt work. |
| 01:51.22 | abusenode | but thats what it was supposed to od. |
| 01:52.19 | SuperB | abusenode: alright i point out my linux.iso manually |
| 01:52.23 | abusenode | yeah |
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| 01:52.28 | abusenode | and do the mount shit as you did before |
| 01:52.34 | abusenode | hdc -> /mnt/cdrom |
| 01:52.35 | abusenode | shoudl work now. |
| 01:52.51 | SuperB | mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom |
| 01:52.51 | SuperB | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 01:52.55 | abusenode | yep, done |
| 01:53.03 | abusenode | now go do whatever vmware told you to do to isntal the tools |
| 01:53.05 | abusenode | some .pl or whatever. |
| 01:53.14 | abusenode | in /mnt/cdrom |
| 01:53.17 | SuperB | abusenode :p thanks o_O |
| 01:53.26 | SuperB | ahh |
| 01:53.33 | SuperB | thx its there now :) |
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| 01:54.04 | aiuw | Any software for hosting videos? |
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| 01:58.09 | SuperB | well abusenode and HardDisk_WP thanks both of you :) Merry Christmas ! |
| 01:58.14 | abusenode | indeed |
| 01:58.15 | HardDisk_WP | WAAAAAAAARGH FUCK SOCKS |
| 01:58.22 | abusenode | hopefully you will keep your lunix installation inside vmware forever. |
| 01:58.26 | HardDisk_WP | SuperB, np, merry xmas also to you |
| 01:58.26 | abusenode | just like i do. |
| 01:58.36 | HardDisk_WP | abusenode, you use mac or win as host? |
| 01:58.47 | abusenode | win 2003/2008 yeah. |
| 01:58.53 | SuperB | ahh i m using win2003 :p |
| 01:58.55 | SuperB | as host |
| 01:58.56 | abusenode | i just migrated the last of my real hardware boxes into virtual machines |
| 01:59.08 | abusenode | becuase its a waste to put linix on real hardware |
| 01:59.13 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
| 02:00.03 | abusenode | um, why? because its a waste of hardware/rack space? |
| 02:01.22 | SuperB | abusenode: isn't a *nix question but u are here so could i ask 1 question about *windows upgrade? |
| 02:01.29 | abusenode | sure, why not |
| 02:01.58 | SuperB | Can i upgrade my Windows2003 box to Windows2008 without formating it? |
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| 02:02.25 | abusenode | into same edition, should be able to |
| 02:02.30 | abusenode | 2003 std -> 2008 std etc. |
| 02:02.39 | muh2000 | nothing new to be able to do that |
| 02:02.46 | SuperB | abusenode: well yea its the same version |
| 02:03.00 | abusenode | i know you can go from 2003 ent, r2/sp1/sp2 -> win2008 ent because we did this here on a few machines |
| 02:03.08 | abusenode | so i'd assume same goes for the other editions |
| 02:03.18 | muh2000 | you can go win3.1 -> winxp |
| 02:03.42 | SuperB | muh2000: atleast i got my drivers updated, there is no laptop drivers for windows2003 |
| 02:03.52 | muh2000 | ^^ |
| 02:04.26 | gdare | what's a good linux distro i can install to a usb jump drive to run as live system on a netbook? |
| 02:04.45 | muh2000 | dsl |
| 02:04.49 | muh2000 | or debian |
| 02:05.25 | gdare | will debian install to a jump drive |
| 02:05.49 | SuperB | abusenode: Just insert the windows2008 cd and update it? |
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| 02:07.24 | DrCortex | I tried installing the i386 version instead of the amd64 version that crashed and it sayd 'for an unknown reason this partition can't be resized' or something like that. |
| 02:07.29 | woden | If I write zeros to /dev/sda1 will it delete the mbr? |
| 02:07.43 | DrCortex | indibitbly |
| 02:08.12 | DrCortex | nah idk lol |
| 02:08.35 | liable | shouldnt really, mbr is part of the partition table, sda would, sda1 shouldnt |
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| 02:09.21 | abusenode | SuperB: yea |
| 02:09.27 | abusenode | youll have upgrade option. |
| 02:09.43 | woden | what is the executable for gparted? |
| 02:09.50 | abusenode | i would imagine... 'gparted'... |
| 02:09.55 | woden | not found |
| 02:10.05 | SuperB | abusenode: so nice 0f ya thankyou so much :) |
| 02:10.12 | abusenode | woden: then you wanna install it.. |
| 02:10.18 | liable | woden: dpkg -L gparted |
| 02:10.26 | woden | got it |
| 02:10.28 | woden | hey |
| 02:10.31 | woden | i wasn't root oops |
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| 02:10.54 | woden | so I deleted /dev/sda1 and now there is 80.09 GiB of unallocated space....how do I write zeros to it? |
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| 02:13.36 | abusenode | woden: what 'zeros' |
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| 02:15.44 | KC | is there a tool for ripping the audio track of a DVD straight to ogg/mp3/flac? |
| 02:16.00 | abusenode | what |
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| 02:16.29 | KC | I'm trying to get the audio off a DVD, instead of ripping the whole DVD |
| 02:16.43 | KC | or a DVD ripper with better audio quality, that works too I guess |
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| 02:19.17 | HardDisk_WP | KC, yeah |
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| 02:19.26 | HardDisk_WP | KC, try mencoder |
| 02:19.28 | HardDisk_WP | afk |
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| 02:26.04 | Yamakiri | in the manual install, how do I check the boxes in the "software selection" step? |
| 02:26.24 | Yamakiri | ex. [*] Desktop environment [ ] Web server |
| 02:26.39 | Yamakiri | say I wanted to check the [ ] Web server one, how would I do that? |
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| 02:27.00 | stoned | you shouldn't |
| 02:27.11 | stoned | do not select anything (you select them with space) |
| 02:27.12 | stoned | but don't. |
| 02:27.15 | stoned | skip this screen |
| 02:27.21 | Yamakiri | why stoned? |
| 02:27.25 | stoned | its not good |
| 02:27.28 | stoned | trust me |
| 02:27.35 | Yamakiri | can you explain why it's not? |
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| 02:27.43 | stoned | if you need it later you can get it back with the 'tasksel' task selector command |
| 02:28.04 | stoned | Yamakiri, for example, desktop env. will use desktop-base meta package, which will install gnome/kde/xfce all three on your system |
| 02:28.06 | stoned | you wont' have a choice |
| 02:28.13 | stoned | and your install process would take ages to finish |
| 02:28.18 | Yamakiri | ahh |
| 02:28.24 | stoned | in case your connection breaks for any reason, tasksel will hang |
| 02:28.26 | stoned | it won't error out |
| 02:28.31 | Yamakiri | stoned: so I should uncheck the desktop environment? |
| 02:28.32 | stoned | some weird nonsensical bug |
| 02:28.37 | stoned | Yamakiri, definitely |
| 02:28.56 | Yamakiri | stoned: this is going to be a webserver, but I don't want to check the webserver box? |
| 02:29.00 | stoned | no |
| 02:29.05 | Yamakiri | Not even the "standard system"? |
| 02:29.09 | stoned | you don't to entirely skip this menu |
| 02:29.12 | stoned | Yamakiri, no |
| 02:29.16 | stoned | you can do it later, fin ish installation first |
| 02:29.26 | Yamakiri | oh well ok... |
| 02:29.30 | stoned | after you install your system |
| 02:29.35 | stoned | when you login after rebooting |
| 02:29.41 | liable | why not standard system? |
| 02:29.43 | stoned | type 'tasksel' to get this screen again |
| 02:29.51 | Yamakiri | oh okay |
| 02:29.58 | stoned | liable, let him finish installing, I hate tasksel to download stuff and a lot of times it fucks up |
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| 02:30.01 | Yamakiri | stoned: so it's okay to use it after it's finished installing? |
| 02:30.07 | stoned | if there is ANY proiblem with a mirror its using |
| 02:30.17 | stoned | Yamakiri, absolutely |
| 02:31.27 | Yamakiri | stoned: and Should I choose to install GRUB? |
| 02:31.35 | stoned | Yes! |
| 02:31.38 | stoned | grub always |
| 02:31.50 | Yamakiri | ok :) |
| 02:32.26 | stoned | after you finish installation you can run tasksel again and select the standar system option |
| 02:32.48 | stoned | you can also man tasksel and tasksel list packages in a task to see which packages belong to a task |
| 02:33.00 | Yamakiri | okay |
| 02:33.03 | stoned | that way you can decide if you want a task to do it or if you want to manually just type install blah blah |
| 02:33.08 | superjet_busy | only LC_ALL=C gitk works, otherwise like LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 will segmen fault? |
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| 02:35.12 | superjet_busy | rebuild tk8.5 can't resolve it |
| 02:35.32 | Yamakiri | stoned: sudo tasksel or not |
| 02:35.45 | Yamakiri | it has no gui o.o |
| 02:36.00 | stoned | yes sudo |
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| 02:36.32 | Yamakiri | oh wait I've got to su root to visudo |
| 02:36.35 | Yamakiri | blast :P |
| 02:36.40 | abusenode | what is tasksel |
| 02:36.54 | Yamakiri | wha?! |
| 02:37.01 | abusenode | fuck, how do i get otu of that now |
| 02:37.07 | abusenode | oh, escape |
| 02:37.10 | abusenode | ugh. |
| 02:37.11 | Yamakiri | stoned: there's no sudo :/ |
| 02:37.16 | stoned | Yamakiri, install it |
| 02:37.16 | Yamakiri | or visudo |
| 02:37.22 | stoned | debian doesn't come with it |
| 02:37.26 | Yamakiri | oohhhhh |
| 02:37.28 | Yamakiri | how odd |
| 02:37.32 | stoned | if you do expert install or debconf higher than medium |
| 02:37.46 | stoned | debian however DOES default to sudo but it asks you |
| 02:38.36 | stoned | !sudo |
| 02:38.36 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
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| 02:39.01 | abusenode | NOPASSWD: ALL = best thing ever |
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| 02:39.36 | Tekno | i agree |
| 02:39.39 | stoned | ugh |
| 02:39.43 | stoned | security problems |
| 02:40.21 | Tekno | and foilhat |
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| 02:40.47 | Yamakiri | is using all tasksel things but laptop and manual |
| 02:41.00 | stoned | Yamakiri, naughty boy |
| 02:41.04 | stoned | !spank Yamakiri |
| 02:41.04 | dpkg | bends Yamakiri over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 02:41.28 | Yamakiri | stoned: well it's a server with 500gb of hard disk space |
| 02:41.44 | stoned | a server with desktop env.!!! |
| 02:41.47 | stoned | ARE YOU MAD! ;) |
| 02:42.02 | Yamakiri | I'm colocating later in the month :P |
| 02:42.16 | Yamakiri | but the desktop environment is for now :) |
| 02:42.22 | stoned | not only just X but all of kde, all of gnome, all of xfce not to mention the thigns they suggest and add |
| 02:42.29 | stoned | godamn. a server doesn't need that stuff |
| 02:42.36 | stoned | oh ok |
| 02:42.51 | stoned | then its just not really a server its like a powerful computer desktop used for serving stome stuff? |
| 02:42.55 | stoned | some* |
| 02:43.12 | Yamakiri | if it takes too much space I'll remove it before I send it to the datacentre |
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| 02:44.28 | Yamakiri | stoned: can't I sudo apt-get remove KDE? |
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| 02:47.06 | stoned | sure |
| 02:47.11 | stoned | !tell Yamakiri -about remove kde |
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| 02:48.37 | Yamakiri | someone should voice you, stoned :D |
| 02:48.43 | Yamakiri | !stoned++ |
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| 02:51.35 | Yamakiri | stoned: should I modify smb.conf to use WINS settings from DHCP? |
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| 02:52.00 | Yamakiri | there's this package manager prompt titled "samba server" and it has a paragraph or two on it |
| 02:53.39 | stoned | Yamakiri, no |
| 02:53.42 | stoned | Yamakiri, consult #samba |
| 02:53.47 | stoned | !samba |
| 02:53.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
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| 02:55.35 | SuperB | abusenode: I run the setup under windows.. but there is just one options saying "install now" when i hit it.. its saying need some update from internet. like that. there is no upgrade option? |
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| 02:55.54 | abusenode | SuperB: it shoudl say why upgrade is disabled |
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| 02:56.10 | abusenode | click install now first though |
| 02:56.17 | abusenode | it'll give more options later |
| 02:56.22 | SuperB | ah . |
| 02:56.22 | SuperB | ok |
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| 02:59.42 | SuperB | abusenode: One more Question, i just need to know can i forward port range in my guest OS ? i can do one at a time, but i wan't to forward a range? Can i ? |
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| 03:00.00 | abusenode | to your guest os you mean? |
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| 03:00.23 | abusenode | i never used NAT adapter so i duno, i just use virtual bridge |
| 03:00.40 | SuperB | yea |
| 03:01.09 | SuperB | damn* something fishy... "virtual bridge" never work for me :< |
| 03:01.25 | abusenode | well, is your host the only machine with internet? |
| 03:01.29 | abusenode | i duno, bridging alwas worked for me |
| 03:01.57 | SuperB | abusenode: i m using "wireless connection" well no at my router there is 2/3 computers running |
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| 03:03.54 | abusenode | weird. |
| 03:03.59 | abusenode | oh! |
| 03:04.04 | abusenode | this is a laptop right? |
| 03:04.33 | abusenode | goto edit->virtual network editor |
| 03:04.43 | abusenode | and under automatic bridging tab |
| 03:04.57 | abusenode | add any weird network adapter,s like bluetooth, tv/video connection, other crap like that |
| 03:05.00 | SuperB | yea |
| 03:05.12 | abusenode | not-lan related junk |
| 03:06.19 | SuperB | there is Just one.. adapter there " Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN Mini-Cad " |
| 03:06.34 | abusenode | ya? nothing else weird? |
| 03:06.39 | abusenode | thats not in ignore list is it |
| 03:06.39 | SuperB | no |
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| 03:07.22 | doublehp | can i use a 3.1 disk for a Sarge netinst ? just make the netinst, then edit apt/source.list to switch to sarge immediately ? |
| 03:07.32 | stoned | yes |
| 03:07.32 | doublehp | or etch ... |
| 03:07.33 | stoned | you can |
| 03:07.39 | stoned | but why |
| 03:07.46 | stoned | you have an operating system already? |
| 03:08.00 | doublehp | is it safe ? or do you *really recommend* to burn a more recent ISO ? |
| 03:08.07 | doublehp | stoned: because. |
| 03:08.07 | stoned | just answer my question |
| 03:08.20 | stoned | do you currently have an Os and if so, which one is it? |
| 03:08.43 | doublehp | stoned: to answer your question, i switch my second screen back to my work station, and, move my chair to use my normal keyboard: |
| 03:08.51 | stoned | doublehp, lol |
| 03:08.55 | stoned | I remember that |
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| 03:09.03 | doublehp | stoned: because because of quadruple bug, ( 3 hard, 1 soft), i can not use PXE |
| 03:09.10 | stoned | ooh |
| 03:09.13 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:09.16 | doublehp | stoned: i have Sarge netinst on PXE, but, the machine wonr start it |
| 03:09.19 | stoned | why not netboot without pxe |
| 03:09.29 | stoned | download the netboot kernel/ramdisk |
| 03:09.35 | stoned | boot the installer and let it configure yoru network card |
| 03:09.47 | stoned | download the installer, and then it will begin installing netinst |
| 03:10.44 | doublehp | stoned: thus, i have to use CDs; but, my main CD burner, to access it, i need to move my 250kg bay (the one containing 2 alpha servers, 2 sun, and 3 IBM thin clients) what is noisy, and could wake up my sister. My second burner is in a machine that dont have OS, and, last time i tried it on USB, burn failed or a reason cdrecord could not really detail |
| 03:11.02 | SuperB | abusenode: well i did disable 2 adapters under network connections, "VMnet1" and "VMnet8" do i have to enable those? |
| 03:11.18 | abusenode | yes... |
| 03:11.22 | abusenode | why did oyu disable them? |
| 03:11.24 | doublehp | stoned: so, as the server can boot a knoppix, I assume that it will be able to boot my old Debian 3.1 netinst CD (assuming the kernel wont freeze like GRML did ) |
| 03:11.32 | doublehp | stoned: that was the short version |
| 03:11.40 | stoned | I see |
| 03:11.51 | stoned | doublehp, like I said, try the netboot installer/ramdisk |
| 03:12.03 | stoned | not the pxe netboot, but the regular netboot |
| 03:12.09 | stoned | not netinst |
| 03:12.46 | SuperB | abusenode: well i am using vbox thats why :, |
| 03:12.59 | doublehp | stoned: unless you wish to copme home, fix my 3 hardware bugs (conflict between 3com, Intel chipset, and Raid BIOS), my back pannel problem, my PXE server refusing to boot PXE 1.0 clients ... ) and the software problem with GRML having kernel panic when detecting the card with a FAILED chain |
| 03:13.20 | stoned | doublehp, put on a helmet. |
| 03:13.27 | stoned | doublehp, that sounds painful |
| 03:13.37 | stoned | doublehp, like your computer is randomly throwing punches in your face ;) |
| 03:13.45 | doublehp | stoned: so, i know 3.1 is old, but, will it do to get recent sarge ? |
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| 03:14.15 | stoned | you know 3.1 is sarge right |
| 03:14.22 | Sertse | how do I get debian to do sudo? |
| 03:14.28 | Sertse | like tha other..distro heh |
| 03:14.30 | stoned | Sertse, aptitude install sudo |
| 03:14.32 | doublehp | stoned: i wont tell you about my first server that had badlocks last week, and my second server that had failing disk this morning, and, wont either ask you to fix my bugs of Eterm ... |
| 03:14.36 | stoned | Sertse, su to root, visudo |
| 03:14.49 | doublehp | Sertse: read about the wheel group. |
| 03:15.01 | doublehp | Sertse: and install the program :) |
| 03:15.27 | stoned | !install sudo |
| 03:16.08 | stoned | dpkg install sudo is aptitude install sudo then as root edit /etc/sudoers or use 'visudo' -- alternatively add yourself to the wheel group, and relogin. |
| 03:16.08 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 03:16.31 | doublehp | stoned: also assuming that 3.1 wil detect the raid card: PXE one (that can boot when RAID is faulty) can; all other distros could not (including Knoppix 3.9) |
| 03:16.50 | stoned | hm |
| 03:16.51 | stoned | very odd |
| 03:17.34 | zibri | uh.. a instance of urxvt froze, and now when i try to open new ones, they segfault |
| 03:17.43 | abusenode | nice |
| 03:17.43 | zibri | strace: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/93018/ |
| 03:17.54 | stoned | zibri, go to #ubuntu? |
| 03:18.01 | doublehp | stoned: now, i move the chat win back to upper screen, switch the screen to second input, push the keyb oard away, take back the rescue keyboard (and i did not tell you yet about machines on KVM) |
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| 03:18.11 | zibri | stoned: no. i will not ask debian related questions in #ubuntu... |
| 03:18.31 | stoned | zibri, thenk indly do not mislead us by using an ubuntu pastebin |
| 03:18.52 | zibri | stoned: a pastebin is a pastebin is a pastebin. |
| 03:19.01 | zibri | don't read too deep into it. |
| 03:19.25 | stoned | people will conclude based on cicumstantial evidence |
| 03:19.45 | stoned | in fact, I'id like to see your apt-cache policy for libc6 |
| 03:19.46 | zibri | people are idiots. (not you, ofc!) |
| 03:19.48 | zibri | ;-) |
| 03:20.12 | stoned | and your uname then again you can always modify it |
| 03:20.26 | stoned | people do that all the time, ask ubuntu stuff here and pretend to be using debian |
| 03:20.46 | stoned | hopefully you can understand why I'm afraid to trust and/or support |
| 03:21.30 | zibri | argh. i promise, i use debian. |
| 03:21.39 | stoned | well good luck. |
| 03:21.48 | stoned | I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole. |
| 03:21.52 | stoned | :) |
| 03:22.15 | zibri | (if i paste to pastebin.ca and post link here, will you reconsider?) |
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| 03:22.23 | zibri | =) |
| 03:22.28 | doublehp | stoned: ah, no. Boot failed :) for an oknown reason, bios could load syslinux, but syslinux could not load Linux ... trying again. See why ? finally, i may *need* to burn recent CD |
| 03:22.33 | abusenode | i wil not open stuff pasted on irc nless its on http://rafb.net/paste |
| 03:22.38 | abusenode | i fucking hate the word "pastebin" |
| 03:22.41 | stoned | not anymore, absolutely not, not from your ip or your nickname or that problem if I see it again from anyone else. |
| 03:22.41 | abusenode | with a passion |
| 03:22.54 | stoned | abusenode, how abotu paster? |
| 03:22.56 | zibri | right. |
| 03:22.56 | stoned | !paster |
| 03:22.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:23.00 | abusenode | no |
| 03:23.15 | stoned | paste.debian.net? |
| 03:23.22 | stoned | rafb.net/paste has the word paste in it |
| 03:23.30 | stoned | so you're not objected to the word paste. |
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| 03:25.01 | abusenode | SuperB: yes, i dont knwo why you disabled them in teh first place. |
| 03:25.06 | stoned | doublehp, perhaps invest into new hw |
| 03:25.13 | abusenode | stoned: best advice ever |
| 03:25.20 | stoned | :) |
| 03:25.22 | abusenode | it pisses me off to see peopel trying to run shit on hardware from last century. |
| 03:25.23 | doublehp | stoned: i need to install to sell it |
| 03:25.35 | stoned | just recycle it |
| 03:25.42 | abusenode | doublehp: nobody wants a box running lunix, you'd have to actually pay ME to get it. |
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| 03:25.48 | abusenode | (just speaking from experience) |
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| 03:25.55 | stoned | he is right |
| 03:25.58 | abusenode | doublehp: nobody wants an old box running lunix, you'd have to actually pay ME to get it. |
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| 03:26.01 | abusenode | ^ correction |
| 03:26.20 | stoned | abusenode, usually the irc syntax for correction is s/x/y |
| 03:26.22 | doublehp | abusenode: buyer take it as i installed linux on ... |
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| 03:26.37 | abusenode | i mean if you're talkign about PCI conflicts, intel pci netwrok cards, broken pxe, etc, youre talking about some 5-8 yeras old mobo |
| 03:26.48 | abusenode | so you can just throw it away safely. |
| 03:26.49 | stoned | with shorted capacitors |
| 03:26.50 | abusenode | problem solved. |
| 03:27.19 | stoned | at least leaky capacitors |
| 03:27.20 | doublehp | abusenode: i am talking about ***** hard raid stupid card |
| 03:27.25 | abusenode | that too |
| 03:27.34 | abusenode | what raid card made this century creates conflicsts? |
| 03:27.38 | zibri | http://rafb.net/p/tsEzTz96.htm :) |
| 03:27.39 | abusenode | i cant think of any |
| 03:27.55 | abusenode | zibri: fairly useless trace. |
| 03:28.01 | abusenode | you *probably* want the gdb one. |
| 03:28.05 | zibri | ok |
| 03:28.08 | abusenode | and then, nobdoy in here will be able to help you with it. |
| 03:28.12 | zibri | nice |
| 03:28.13 | abusenode | which means, you just have to open/search for a bug |
| 03:28.21 | abusenode | and hope someone looks at it. |
| 03:28.43 | zibri | uuuhmm.. |
| 03:28.52 | doublehp | abusenode: when 4 distros fail to boot, i am not to open a bug in any of them :) |
| 03:29.04 | zibri | gdb complains that it's not a executable |
| 03:29.06 | abusenode | doublehp: when 4 distros fail to boot, you buy a new PC. |
| 03:29.11 | abusenode | zibri: who is, gdb or uxrvt |
| 03:29.13 | doublehp | abusenode: i just through the raid card and say buyer: you are gone for soft raid :) |
| 03:29.16 | stoned | doublehp, that wasn't for you |
| 03:29.36 | zibri | abusenode: gdb complains that urxvt is not |
| 03:29.50 | abusenode | well is it? look if its a fuckin shell script or something. geez. use your head. |
| 03:30.00 | abusenode | i dont even know what urxvt is. |
| 03:30.06 | stoned | abusenode, please be civil |
| 03:30.10 | zibri | "/usr/bin/urxvt": not in executable format: File format not recognized |
| 03:30.18 | stoned | abusenode, unicode rxvt terminal emulator |
| 03:30.23 | zibri | abusenode: urxvt is a xterm. |
| 03:30.29 | abusenode | zibri: so, look at it, is it a shell script. |
| 03:30.38 | zibri | no. it's an elf |
| 03:30.44 | abusenode | well then |
| 03:30.46 | abusenode | problem solved. |
| 03:30.47 | stoned | sure its not a gome? |
| 03:30.50 | zibri | abusenode: no. |
| 03:30.51 | stoned | or a goblic? |
| 03:30.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:30.58 | stoned | goblin* |
| 03:31.01 | stoned | elf |
| 03:31.02 | stoned | lol |
| 03:32.30 | abusenode | zibri: what do you mean no. |
| 03:32.54 | zibri | the problem: it segfaults. |
| 03:33.09 | zibri | it still does. |
| 03:33.27 | doublehp | after debootstrap, what should i do to get a system work as if it had been installed ? deboostrap does NOT configure keyboard layout, time zone, and many similar things ... that render the machine unusable. Is there a magick command or package to reconfigure all ? |
| 03:34.20 | abusenode | zibri: obviously something you did made it broken. |
| 03:34.41 | abusenode | with that paste you showed, there is no useful info |
| 03:34.42 | zibri | abusenode: the things. i didn't do anything. |
| 03:34.55 | zibri | http://rafb.net/p/7XzFrP69.html |
| 03:34.57 | abusenode | impossible |
| 03:35.10 | stoned | this is not debian. |
| 03:35.11 | abusenode | zibri: is it 64bit system? |
| 03:35.17 | zibri | no |
| 03:37.57 | doublehp | stoned: why not ? |
| 03:38.03 | stoned | why not what? |
| 03:38.10 | doublehp | why cant be debian ? |
| 03:38.16 | einand | i find this very anyoing, how do i make exim4 not to install time to time |
| 03:38.18 | stoned | because |
| 03:38.29 | kd8ikt | ? |
| 03:38.34 | stoned | einand, you need some sort of an mta |
| 03:38.40 | einand | stoned: why |
| 03:38.40 | stoned | im guessing some package dependencies want it |
| 03:38.42 | doublehp | i have known debians that could produce such messages ... |
| 03:38.43 | stoned | you jut do |
| 03:38.43 | stoned | ok |
| 03:38.44 | stoned | i dunno |
| 03:38.46 | stoned | you just fucking do |
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| 03:38.50 | stoned | just go with it |
| 03:38.53 | stoned | install nullmailer |
| 03:39.02 | kd8ikt | stabs stoned |
| 03:39.20 | dios_mio | I just installed debian but liloconfig will only install my linux partition.. it wont let me select any windows partition to boot |
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| 03:39.42 | kd8ikt | asif lilo wasnt easy enough to config |
| 03:39.57 | kd8ikt | /etc/lilo.conf |
| 03:40.09 | stoned | fuck lilo imo. Grub FTW! |
| 03:40.25 | kd8ikt | lets try to keep it PD-13 stoned |
| 03:40.30 | kd8ikt | PG-13 * |
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| 03:40.45 | stoned | I know plenty of 13 year old who go fuck fuckity fuck fuck all day long |
| 03:40.52 | stoned | in fact much filthier thant hat |
| 03:41.01 | dios_mio | kd8ikt, there is not even a lilo.conf |
| 03:41.08 | stoned | kd8ikt, if you want to protect your kids, /ignore stoned |
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| 03:41.31 | stoned | in fact, wtf are your kids doign on irc to begin with? |
| 03:41.33 | kd8ikt | is there a /etc/lilo.conf.sample |
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| 03:42.01 | kd8ikt | last i checked the main debian installer used grub |
| 03:42.04 | dios_mio | there isa lilo.conf.old ... well the problem is I dont know exactly about initrd and boot options in lilo.conf |
| 03:42.14 | stoned | debian installer can also install lilo |
| 03:42.15 | dios_mio | and stupid liolconfig of debian is primitive and usesless |
| 03:42.22 | stoned | so why use it |
| 03:42.24 | stoned | use grub instad |
| 03:42.35 | dios_mio | stoned, grub doesnt even boot anything |
| 03:42.48 | stoned | balogna |
| 03:43.01 | Malf | How is it that I came on this morning, saw this conversation, left for several hours, come back and the conversation is happening all over again |
| 03:43.04 | stoned | grub boots what you tell it to boot |
| 03:43.14 | stoned | Malf, it has? |
| 03:43.16 | stoned | ok |
| 03:43.20 | stoned | stops right there. |
| 03:43.24 | Malf | Totally |
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| 03:43.30 | stoned | no poing in wasting time on it if its already been discussed |
| 03:43.35 | dios_mio | grub boots nothing... it is a failure |
| 03:43.38 | stoned | I understand he has been told exactly what to do? |
| 03:43.41 | stoned | earlier? |
| 03:43.49 | Malf | Earlier he came in and said he gave up and went to slackware |
| 03:43.51 | Malf | because grub sucks |
| 03:43.53 | Malf | more or less |
| 03:44.00 | ameyer | o_O |
| 03:44.02 | Malf | and you made a joke about demons to someone else |
| 03:44.08 | Malf | though this time you went with gnomes |
| 03:44.08 | ameyer | lilo's dead. |
| 03:44.09 | stoned | oh yeh, I'mm a pothead |
| 03:44.15 | stoned | so you can't really expect me to remember a lot of things |
| 03:44.15 | stoned | :) |
| 03:44.33 | stoned | sometimes I feel like footballs are talking to me. |
| 03:44.34 | stoned | its weird |
| 03:44.43 | ameyer | that's almost like insisting upon running Windows ME |
| 03:45.03 | dios_mio | stoned, you know you just generate unnecesary crowdedness |
| 03:45.13 | stoned | btw, grub boots what it is told to boot, if you have a grub menu but can't boot os, you probably are not specifying a properly typed menu.lst |
| 03:45.22 | stoned | dios_mio, /ignore stoned |
| 03:45.29 | dios_mio | stoned, stop typing too much.. go get some rest and come back when you sober up from your high |
| 03:45.52 | stoned | thats a fantastic way to treat people who try to help you |
| 03:45.57 | stoned | welcome to /ignore buddy. |
| 03:46.06 | dios_mio | stoned, you are not helping me.. you can help nobody |
| 03:46.25 | dios_mio | "fuck lilo, grub FTW" great help |
| 03:46.35 | stoned | Malf, thanks for the heads up. |
| 03:46.59 | dios_mio | now you can go on your irrelevant drivel |
| 03:47.36 | newsense | wow whats the problem people ? |
| 03:47.53 | stoned | mmm |
| 03:47.58 | stoned | Vanilla sugar wafers |
| 03:48.00 | dios_mio | newsense, the problem is some people turn this into a amusement park instead a techie chat |
| 03:48.02 | stoned | yummy |
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| 03:48.07 | newsense | stoned is cool |
| 03:48.13 | dios_mio | he looks like a clown to me |
| 03:48.24 | einand | dios_mio: i agree |
| 03:48.25 | stoned | takes a bow |
| 03:48.38 | zibri | dios_mio: +1 |
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| 03:49.17 | newsense | man what did you do stoned, haha |
| 03:49.34 | newsense | anyways anyone farmiliar with rsync error 23 ? |
| 03:49.35 | stoned | I refused to help some people who I didn't feel like helping. |
| 03:49.42 | lostson | he sits in here and helps us out |
| 03:49.45 | stoned | so I'm being hated. Its alright |
| 03:49.50 | doublehp | stoned: debian-40r3-i386-neinst burned on RW failed to boot; do you have sth more recent to suggets ? |
| 03:49.56 | newsense | ahhh got ya |
| 03:50.16 | einand | stoned: thats not why you are hated, We hate you for all shit you prodce in this channel |
| 03:50.20 | newsense | doublehp, what speed you burning at ? |
| 03:50.21 | stoned | doublehp, I doubt its a software issue, its definitely a hw problem man, I can't even begin to think where the problem would be. Better just repalce your HW |
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| 03:50.28 | stoned | doublehp, I'm pretty much fresh out of ideas |
| 03:50.35 | stoned | newsense, its not a cd burning issue, its his motherboard |
| 03:50.49 | stoned | einand, you have /ignore |
| 03:50.52 | newsense | ahh ok just got here missed that |
| 03:50.55 | stoned | einand, I suggest you amke friends with it |
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| 03:51.19 | newsense | happy holidays by the way |
| 03:51.25 | stoned | same to you buddy |
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| 03:51.35 | einand | stoned: so your goal in life is to be ignored by everyone? |
| 03:51.48 | stoned | einand, you don't matter to me. You can stop addressing me now. Thank you. |
| 03:52.00 | doublehp | newsense: default. |
| 03:52.00 | einand | stoned: as you wish |
| 03:52.11 | newsense | rsync kepps giving me error 23 everytime i try to sync some pictures to a mounted sd card and its only 10% used |
| 03:52.25 | stoned | errro 23 is what? disk full |
| 03:52.28 | stoned | er... ? |
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| 03:52.32 | newsense | i guess |
| 03:52.36 | stoned | look it up |
| 03:52.40 | newsense | man page refers to it but not in detail |
| 03:52.43 | MrWGW | can someone link me to a really good tutorial on dot1q and VLANs in Debian? |
| 03:52.47 | newsense | i did |
| 03:52.54 | newsense | google and mans |
| 03:52.55 | MrWGW | and/or refer me to a good book on the subject? |
| 03:52.57 | stoned | hehe look it up more |
| 03:53.02 | MrWGW | I have Safari |
| 03:53.06 | MrWGW | I've found lots of tutorials |
| 03:53.17 | MrWGW | but none of them live up to my high standards |
| 03:53.26 | MrWGW | in particular, a good Oreilly book or an LRTC tutorial would be ideal |
| 03:53.27 | newsense | ahh |
| 03:53.27 | MrWGW | err |
| 03:53.30 | MrWGW | LARTC or |
| 03:53.31 | MrWGW | TLDP |
| 03:53.34 | MrWGW | type thing, you know... |
| 03:53.39 | stoned | !tell MrWGW -about enter |
| 03:53.49 | doublehp | stoned: knoppix 3.9 (oh man, thats 3y old) boots fine ... but does not find the driver. debian 40r3 can boot when the chain is faulty, and detects correctly the virtual 62G drive. but, i am not to try an install on a failed chain :) |
| 03:54.06 | MrWGW | sorry stoned; I'm notorious on Freenode for my disjointed trains of thought |
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| 03:54.22 | stoned | doublehp, *sigh* I am gonna come over and beat you up :) BUY NEW HW! |
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| 03:54.26 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:54.49 | doublehp | :) |
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| 03:55.12 | doublehp | stoned: no, i will just say buyer: soft raid or nothing. |
| 03:55.21 | stoned | lol |
| 03:55.25 | stoned | soft raid == not really raid |
| 03:55.28 | doublehp | an if not happy, still pay me |
| 03:55.43 | stoned | hey all that matters is that you sell that off |
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| 03:55.54 | stoned | i'm sure you'll figure out a way |
| 03:55.57 | GhostlyDeath | How do I turn off that annoying beeping |
| 03:55.57 | stoned | doublehp, try etch perhaps |
| 03:56.02 | GhostlyDeath | when I tab complete and delete stuff? |
| 03:56.09 | stoned | GhostlyDeath, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 03:56.16 | stoned | GhostlyDeath, module name is 'pcspkr' |
| 03:56.28 | stoned | GhostlyDeath, enjoy |
| 03:56.59 | stoned | GhostlyDeath, if you need it off temporarily, modprobe -r pcspkr |
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| 04:00.01 | stoned | !popcon |
| 04:00.02 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 04:00.15 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 04:00.15 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 04:00.27 | stoned | ^^ |
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| 04:02.12 | tac | Happy Xmas, could any body lend me a hand to drag me into debian :) |
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| 04:02.52 | newsense | !tell tac about grounding |
| 04:02.59 | newsense | tac what do you need help with |
| 04:03.17 | tac | Thanks newsense and all |
| 04:03.29 | tac | I try to install debian from network |
| 04:04.02 | tac | I download the netinst iso to my harddisk |
| 04:04.11 | tac | and want to start net install, Msg pops up |
| 04:04.29 | tac | saying "Can't detect my Ether card..." |
| 04:04.44 | tac | How could I survive from here :) |
| 04:04.58 | newsense | during the install "detecting network hardware " ? |
| 04:05.25 | tac | before the install really starts |
| 04:05.32 | newsense | tac can always skip network configuration and get debian installed |
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| 04:05.46 | tac | because I am trying to install it from network |
| 04:05.48 | newsense | than troubleshoot it afterwards |
| 04:06.08 | newsense | is it onboard nic ? |
| 04:06.28 | tac | yes, an Realtek 8189? I think |
| 04:06.41 | newsense | it work in another os ? |
| 04:07.08 | newsense | i mean do you know it "works" ? |
| 04:07.24 | tac | I never try to install another os using net install |
| 04:07.33 | tac | but as for my running ubuntu |
| 04:07.36 | newsense | btw you can hit alt+f1 during install to get a shell |
| 04:07.38 | tac | it is, newsense |
| 04:08.03 | tac | and then lspci ? |
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| 04:08.18 | tac | seems it just doesn't recognize |
| 04:08.49 | newsense | is it a wireless nic ? |
| 04:09.05 | tac | The reason I want to net install debian is I want to get a CLEANest debian |
| 04:09.16 | tac | nop, newsense :~ |
| 04:10.00 | tac | I hear a pure debian only needs < 1 G disk space |
| 04:10.03 | newsense | drop to a shell and see what dmesg reports ? |
| 04:10.21 | tac | Is that true? I just want to get this and start learning from very beginning. |
| 04:10.24 | tac | :) |
| 04:10.38 | newsense | 8189 as far as google says is wireless |
| 04:10.43 | tac | for my ignorance to debian |
| 04:11.02 | newsense | yes its possible |
| 04:11.04 | tac | I don't really remember the Mode |
| 04:11.11 | tac | Model I mean |
| 04:11.27 | tac | but it is not a wireless one |
| 04:11.46 | newsense | well i dont know what to tell ya |
| 04:12.03 | tac | and I've found there are similar questions on the net such as cant recognize debian |
| 04:12.03 | newsense | is it gigabit ? |
| 04:12.23 | newsense | what model are you searching for if you dont know the model ? |
| 04:12.38 | newsense | valid question |
| 04:12.54 | tac | sorry, but I just forget the Exact model number |
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| 04:13.23 | newsense | tac if you dont know how can you be sure the posts your reading refer to your nic ? |
| 04:13.42 | tac | newsense: Now I just want a core debian running, How could I do this? |
| 04:13.53 | mhymn | tac: which release are you trying to install? |
| 04:13.54 | newsense | skip network configuration |
| 04:13.59 | newsense | third time ive said that |
| 04:14.07 | tac | newsense: I am using a Asus mainboard. NIC is onboard |
| 04:14.09 | newsense | installer will continue |
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| 04:14.32 | newsense | than you can choose standard system or uncheck that and get very minimal system |
| 04:14.42 | newsense | is nic enabled in bios ? |
| 04:15.29 | tac | I believe it is a realtek 8179 or 8189 , to which I just can't remember. and I am trying on the etch RC2 |
| 04:15.51 | tac | yes, I think |
| 04:16.08 | newsense | get lenny netinst |
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| 04:16.25 | newsense | install from that if possible |
| 04:16.25 | tac | lenny is a devel edition? right |
| 04:16.34 | newsense | no |
| 04:16.37 | newsense | soon to be stable |
| 04:16.46 | newsense | its frozen at the moment |
| 04:17.26 | tac | newsense: Maybe I should download the full size one etch/lenny and try not netinstall |
| 04:17.40 | newsense | nah |
| 04:17.45 | newsense | not necessary |
| 04:17.59 | newsense | if you got high speed internet go netinstall |
| 04:18.10 | newsense | or get just the first cd |
| 04:18.23 | newsense | should have enough packages on there to get you started |
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| 04:19.24 | tac | newsense: If my NIC can't be recognized before install, Is there a possibility that it could be recognized later after installation? |
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| 04:20.01 | newsense | i thimk lenny has a newer kernel |
| 04:20.26 | newsense | anyways if you knew the model you could make sure a module is available in the kernel lenny uses |
| 04:20.28 | tac | so, I'll try lenny |
| 04:20.56 | tac | How could I identify that if I knew the module exactly |
| 04:21.26 | newsense | look at debians installer page under supported hardware or such |
| 04:21.46 | tac | Thanks, I know more now |
| 04:22.36 | einand | tac: there is a possibility that there is a driverer somewhere thats not included in debians reporisty |
| 04:23.04 | newsense | exactly my point, he needs to find out what his hardware is |
| 04:23.14 | tac | then how can I added it before install? |
| 04:23.17 | einand | for that he can use lspci |
| 04:23.27 | newsense | !tell tac about whats my hardware |
| 04:23.45 | einand | and hopfully his nic answer him what card it is |
| 04:23.46 | tac | sure, I 'll figure that out. but maybe later, guys :) |
| 04:23.58 | einand | !tell einand about whats my hardware |
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| 04:24.32 | einand | cool, i like you dpkg |
| 04:24.57 | newsense | haha |
| 04:25.11 | einand | tnx newsense |
| 04:25.11 | mhymn | !tell einand -about msg the bot |
| 04:25.20 | newsense | you can /msg dpkg tell nick factoid and hell tell the person like i told him to tell you about message the bot |
| 04:25.24 | einand | mhymn: i have got a few of them ;) |
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| 04:25.33 | mhymn | great |
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| 04:27.14 | tac | join you later :D Have fun in Holidays |
| 04:27.31 | newsense | same to you |
| 04:27.43 | tac | And really thanks for the help , newsense einand |
| 04:28.08 | newsense | anytime ! |
| 04:28.16 | einand | tac: np |
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| 04:28.48 | tac | out, see you guys |
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| 04:31.11 | TTimo | lo.. |
| 04:31.26 | TTimo | hey .. how do I get this German Debian installation to start talking english to me? |
| 04:31.38 | einand | hi and welcom TTimo |
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| 04:32.32 | TTimo | stuff like aptitude etc. is all in german |
| 04:32.40 | einand | TTimo: i'm not sure but try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 04:34.07 | TTimo | heh .. that too is in German! |
| 04:34.14 | TTimo | but I guess I can compare on another install |
| 04:34.37 | einand | :) |
| 04:34.42 | newsense | should be one of the first question the installer asks is language |
| 04:35.16 | einand | TTimo: try LC_ALL="en_US" dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:35.17 | newsense | if you hit enter you should be prompted to choose language |
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| 04:35.34 | newsense | oh its installed already |
| 04:35.36 | newsense | sorry |
| 04:35.47 | newsense | misunderstood ya sorry |
| 04:35.59 | TTimo | standard system installs I'm getting from colo |
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| 04:36.25 | einand | TTimo: did you tried LC_ALL="en_US" infront of the command? |
| 04:36.57 | TTimo | seems to have worked |
| 04:37.01 | TTimo | the reconfigure that is |
| 04:37.09 | einand | :) |
| 04:37.10 | TTimo | probably the us locale was not even installed |
| 04:37.14 | TTimo | so the LC_ALL didn't help |
| 04:37.35 | einand | try LC_ALL="C" then |
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| 04:39.03 | einand | !tell TTimo about locales |
| 04:39.45 | newsense | or perhaps en_US.utf8 |
| 04:40.20 | einand | i like <dpkg> |
| 04:40.41 | newsense | yeah hes awesome |
| 04:41.00 | newsense | i keep a chat open with him |
| 04:41.08 | einand | :) |
| 04:41.17 | newsense | just incase i need some info real quick ill ask him first before the chan |
| 04:41.22 | einand | newsense: you chatt all day long? |
| 04:41.31 | newsense | yeah im sick so i dont work |
| 04:41.38 | newsense | nothing else to do |
| 04:42.00 | einand | :) |
| 04:42.04 | newsense | and play ps3 haha |
| 04:42.08 | einand | so you what with a bot ;) |
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| 04:42.49 | einand | s/what/chat/ |
| 04:43.15 | newsense | i tinker around with some test boxes i got |
| 04:43.21 | einand | :) |
| 04:43.32 | newsense | i use dpkg a lot for some help and links |
| 04:43.39 | einand | newsense: are you badly sic, or just temporary |
| 04:43.58 | newsense | want to get a job in it someday so im trying to gather up all the knowledge i can |
| 04:44.04 | mhymn | sorry, but: |
| 04:44.06 | mhymn | !ot |
| 04:44.06 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 04:44.15 | newsense | einand, its unknown atm but thanks for asking |
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| 04:44.36 | newsense | sorry, forgot where i was for a second |
| 04:45.01 | einand | mhymn: tnx for the information, i dident know |
| 04:45.11 | mhymn | it's okay :) |
| 04:45.13 | einand | my first day in here |
| 04:45.37 | newsense | welcome to #debian |
| 04:45.43 | einand | tnx |
| 04:46.48 | einand | so then i have to ask a real qustion. I tries to compile "world" with apt-build. but every time it comes to a meta package it stops and says there is no source. How can i make it not continue any way |
| 04:47.04 | einand | -not |
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| 04:52.20 | einand | is it possiable to teach dpkg? |
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| 05:09.19 | lindenle | Hi I have a raid (raid1) and one of the disks is missing how can I figure out which one it is? (i.e. scan a partition for a UUID) |
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| 05:21.22 | stoned | einand, yes |
| 05:21.53 | stoned | lindenle, /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 05:28.30 | kladizkov | sometimes glipper fails to load in gnome-panel...in those times, how can i make it load, without doing a "killall gnome-panel"? |
| 05:28.55 | CheeToS | I may be insane, but I am attempting to install debian without a keyboard |
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| 05:29.17 | CheeToS | I'm trying to run some preseed commands to configure the network & start sshd so I can do the install from there |
| 05:29.23 | CheeToS | but I am not really sure if it is possible |
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| 05:31.17 | pabs3 | are there any debuggers that can dump execution traces to text files for later comparison? |
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| 05:38.03 | abusenode | um |
| 05:38.14 | abusenode | what do i put in fstab to mount a filesystem AFTER network interfaces are up? |
| 05:38.26 | newsense | depends |
| 05:38.31 | abusenode | apparently mounting cifs fails because teh interface its on (eth2) isnt up when it tries |
| 05:38.33 | newsense | what type and what options do you want |
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| 05:38.48 | zhoste | 2~Ddoes anyone know where I can get a .deb package for GYachI? |
| 05:38.49 | abusenode | i think it tries to mount network filesystems after only eth0 is up |
| 05:39.14 | lindenle | stoned: thanks |
| 05:39.27 | zhoste | is there a way to get dpkg to ignore platforms? |
| 05:41.08 | newsense | reboot new udev naming rules |
| 05:41.23 | abusenode | is that for me. |
| 05:41.30 | lindenle | How do i remove a defunct raid device from my machine (i.e. dead and staying dead)? |
| 05:41.40 | abusenode | lindenle: unplug it? |
| 05:41.54 | lindenle | abusenode: software raid..... |
| 05:42.17 | lindenle | i.e. /dev/md2 still shows up even though i want it gone |
| 05:44.16 | lindenle | wait now it is gone, nm |
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| 05:48.44 | xevi0us | Hi, all. |
| 05:48.51 | davenull | Hello. |
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| 05:56.07 | ultrav1olet | Does debian have something like redhat's /etc/init.d/iptables start|stop? I want to MANUALLY configure iptable rules without any semibroken managers |
| 05:56.41 | craigevil | yes /etc/init.d/ start/stop should work |
| 05:57.42 | ultrav1olet | where should I place iptables config file then? |
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| 05:58.20 | abusenode | ultrav1olet: i put it in if-up.d in networks but it didnt work. |
| 05:58.37 | ultrav1olet | LOL |
| 05:58.39 | abusenode | i mean it works manually on initd/network restart but not on boot. |
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| 05:58.49 | abusenode | i even checked if IFACE = whatever shit i want to forward on |
| 05:58.52 | abusenode | and exit otherwise |
| 05:58.58 | abusenode | still something fucked. nobody naswered me when i asked either. |
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| 06:00.12 | ultrav1olet | damn |
| 06:00.33 | ultrav1olet | I've just grepped the whole /etc dir and found zero references to iptables |
| 06:00.39 | abusenode | yeah. |
| 06:00.45 | abusenode | there isnt any in default install |
| 06:00.56 | abusenode | and no docs on how to set it up either |
| 06:01.14 | ultrav1olet | enteprise grade distro? ;) |
| 06:01.20 | abusenode | all i want is like 3 lines of iptables junk AFTER one interface comes up |
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| 06:02.17 | ultrav1olet | abusenode: same for me |
| 06:02.39 | nsadmin | I think the idea for the iptables thing was to have a script containing iptables invocations/rules written by the machine owner |
| 06:02.41 | abusenode | i duno when if-up.d stuff is called |
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| 06:02.56 | ultrav1olet | abusenode: I suppose I will simply use Fedora's iptables script |
| 06:03.00 | nsadmin | it would read that file and therefore set those rules |
| 06:03.28 | ultrav1olet | cause it looks like this simple task is unresolved in Debian |
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| 06:04.23 | nsadmin | no, I think that's how it works unless the functionality was removed, in which case you could put it back without too much problem |
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| 06:04.35 | abusenode | what is "how it works"? |
| 06:05.07 | nsadmin | exactly as ultrav1olet described as what he wanted |
| 06:06.15 | nsadmin | but you can always put a shell script that invokes iptables to make rules, then have a script in /etc/init.d run it |
| 06:06.32 | abusenode | ya buut why wouldnt there be a stnadard way of doing it. |
| 06:06.51 | nsadmin | there is or was |
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| 06:07.17 | ultrav1olet | will ask bubuntu guys |
| 06:07.41 | nsadmin | are you running ubuntu? |
| 06:08.37 | nsadmin | if so, just note that any answer you get here is not likely to reflect ubuntu in all of its details |
| 06:08.43 | ultrav1olet | lenny/sid |
| 06:09.12 | ultrav1olet | bubuntu is based on debian - and they share most packages ;) |
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| 06:09.51 | nsadmin | is there a difference between ubuntu and bubuntu? |
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| 06:10.41 | nsadmin | btw I'm not going to argue the point... just stating that as a data point for you |
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| 06:11.55 | nsadmin | the people who will argue the point are probably asleep now :) |
| 06:14.26 | enouf | abusenode: noauto option? then add a line to rc.local to accomplish the actual mounting |
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| 06:19.12 | enouf | abusenode: if getting the iface up earlier is essential, then look into adding the NICs module-name to /etc/modules, or perhaps even add it into your initrd as reroll that ... the /etc/network/if-* dirs are discussed a bit in these pkgs; initscripts: ifupdown: wireless-tools: avahi-daemon: bridge-utils: (atleast in some part, dlocate /etc/network/if- shows me) .. use dpkg -L <pkgname | grep doc (or just navigate the /usr/share/doc/ dir)> |
| 06:19.31 | enouf | s/as/and |
| 06:20.41 | enouf | is not asleep .. and will gladly argue for a hamburger today, and repay you on tuesday :-p |
| 06:21.10 | nsadmin | such popeye memories... |
| 06:21.11 | enouf | </popeye + whimpy reference> |
| 06:21.23 | enouf | heh |
| 06:21.31 | stoned | old people! |
| 06:22.08 | enouf | old people! run this country! :-p |
| 06:22.20 | davenull | aiuw: Poke, I found you!! |
| 06:22.25 | nsadmin | you wouldn't know it's an old reference unless you were familiar with it :P |
| 06:22.37 | enouf | (into the ground, mind you) .. it's the wrong old people is all |
| 06:22.37 | kladizkov | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.12 | enouf | pkill glipper? |
| 06:23.46 | enouf | and why does it fail to load properly .. sometimes |
| 06:28.00 | abusenode | enouf: noauto+rc.local sounds like a silly hack |
| 06:28.19 | abusenode | why would i try to bring up stuff after eth0 is up |
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| 06:30.25 | enouf | abusenode: what on earth are you babbling about? |
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| 06:35.39 | abusenode | enouf: it tries to mount network filesystems... |
| 06:35.41 | abusenode | after only eth0 is up |
| 06:35.44 | abusenode | at least as far as i can tell |
| 06:36.00 | abusenode | because my cifs mount on eth2 doesnt get mounted at boot |
| 06:36.03 | abusenode | but works if i manually do it. |
| 06:36.09 | abusenode | and yes its set to default mount.. |
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| 06:37.46 | psypointer | good morning |
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| 06:39.02 | enouf | abusenode: then eth0 has nothing to do with it - so why would you mention it? and " it tries to mount network filesystems..." <-- do you mean NFS? |
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| 06:41.31 | Tr0gd0r2 | I have four cores and want everything to use core 0 unless I specify otherwise. I read I can do this with /bin/taskset -p 1 1 and /bin/taskset -p 1 $$ in rc.d on CENTOS. Does anyone know how to do this in debian? |
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| 06:44.08 | enouf | Tr0gd0r2: taskset |
| 06:44.17 | enouf | Tr0gd0r2: in etch - see the schedutils pkg |
| 06:45.10 | Tr0gd0r2 | i have taskset |
| 06:45.22 | Tr0gd0r2 | but at boot I want all processes to run on core 0 |
| 06:45.44 | zhoste | this install keeps saying i need gstreamer, but i have it already. could i get a hand figuring out why it's not installing? |
| 06:47.18 | enouf | Tr0gd0r2: so? how early do you need that to occur? |
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| 06:47.54 | Tr0gd0r2 | early enough that everything is run on core 0 so that my other cores can be dedicated to other processes I choose |
| 06:48.02 | Tr0gd0r2 | but all debian stuff is on core 0 |
| 06:48.46 | enouf | what? what all debian stuff? |
| 06:48.58 | Tr0gd0r2 | sshd |
| 06:49.05 | Tr0gd0r2 | ksoftirq |
| 06:49.11 | Tr0gd0r2 | watchdog |
| 06:49.40 | Tr0gd0r2 | stuff like that |
| 06:50.10 | enouf | so, either make a script that goes into /etc/rcS.d/ or .. do something to your initrd perhaps .. let me see - but rc.local should work as well, even though it's run later - checkout /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh as well |
| 06:51.16 | enouf | Tr0gd0r2: actually, there's likely even kernel options you can pass / append to your bootloader kernel line ... let me check the numa=fake option again, adn others |
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| 06:54.32 | lindenle | Hi I am getting an error with cryptsetup (Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256) but my /proc/crypto says i have sha256, any thoughts? |
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| 06:56.10 | lindenle | never mind... needed to be root...too tired |
| 06:56.11 | enouf | lindenle: lsmod | egrep 'crypt|sha' |
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| 07:01.20 | superjet_busy | when build multi-package debs, is it possible just compile part of them? like without make foo-doc.deb |
| 07:03.25 | saler | Hi, newbie,how many do i need t install debian ? |
| 07:03.48 | saler | Hi, newbie,how many CDs do i need t install debian ? |
| 07:03.56 | nsadmin | you don['t need any newbies |
| 07:04.04 | enouf | Tr0gd0r2: hrm, nothing directly with the numa=fake boot option, however, cpusets are described well here (i'm going to read it now myself) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/cpusets.txt |
| 07:04.41 | saler | THx |
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| 07:45.00 | enouf | Tr0gd0r2: interesting (new for .28) ;-) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c7c22e4d5c1fdebfac4dba76de7d0338c2b0d832 |
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| 07:51.20 | enouf | Oh my - quite Debian related |
| 07:51.23 | enouf | '' |
| 07:52.15 | enouf | er ... "[CIFS] Add nodfs mount option Older samba server (eg. 3.0.24 from Debian etch) don't work correctly, if DFS paths are used. Such server claim that they support DFS, but fail to process some requests with DFS paths. [...] The 'nodfs' mount options forces a share to be used with non DFS paths, even if the server claims, that it supports it." |
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| 08:02.52 | Kalidarn | is it possible to build a amd64 pkg on a i386 machine |
| 08:03.00 | moshii | Kalidarn: yeah |
| 08:03.17 | Kalidarn | how do i go about doing that :P i just used 'debuild' |
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| 08:03.29 | moshii | Kalidarn: it's possible to cross compile for arm if you wanted.. |
| 08:03.36 | Kalidarn | i thought it was |
| 08:04.22 | moshii | Kalidarn: I have a feeling it says in the debuild docs about cross compiling, I can't remember exactly as its been a long time |
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| 08:15.44 | chuckkh | I use ppp to connect to a mobile GSM modem; could this be why Evolution 2.22.2 never opens in online mode, even with the --online flag? |
| 08:16.04 | chuckkh | it senses that I'm not connected to the internet since none of the native modems are? |
| 08:16.44 | chuckkh | I wish the --online flag would override this |
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| 08:24.35 | click170 | From a programming perspective, is it possible to mount a remote share (for the sake of argument, NFS) temporarily to, say, scan it for files, without requiring root access? Or requiring some special customization of the sudoers file? |
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| 08:25.30 | abusenode | damn |
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| 08:26.02 | hoxu | click170, do you know fuse? |
| 08:26.20 | click170 | hoxu: I could kiss you. Yes. Thankyou!! |
| 08:26.26 | hoxu | click170, I don't know about NFS but you could mount remote directory over ssh using fuse |
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| 08:29.17 | enouf | click170: not remote related, but look also at pmount perhaps |
| 08:29.31 | click170 | enouf: Thanks! Will do! |
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| 08:31.59 | paddelboot | Hello, does anybody else here use xzgv as an image viewer? |
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| 08:34.13 | Tr0gd0r2 | anyone know what IRQ-506 |
| 08:34.15 | Tr0gd0r2 | is? |
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| 08:40.47 | abusenode | man this networking stuff on startup doesnt work at all. |
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| 08:41.31 | abusenode | is there anywhere to control order of adapters and stuff that tehy go up in. |
| 08:42.57 | enouf | heh esdi_506.pdr related? |
| 08:43.03 | enouf | micropoop |
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| 08:45.10 | enouf | abusenode: somewhat perhaps - /msg dpkg z25 (that's all i can think of atm - other than 'allow-hotplug', 'manual' options in /interfaces) /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 08:45.41 | abusenode | lol, manual. |
| 08:45.53 | abusenode | well no, its just being totally weird. |
| 08:46.33 | enouf | a 'eth0' though might be hardcoded into your initrd, if you used that for installation .. |
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| 08:47.47 | abusenode | well, no, i got the order of things done |
| 08:47.53 | abusenode | i saw the stupidity with udev or whatever |
| 08:47.57 | abusenode | made sure that was correct |
| 08:48.33 | abusenode | im bringing up 3 ethX and 1 ppp0 and i need 2 things to happen, after eth2 i need to mount cifs, and after ppp0 i need to run ipfw script. |
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| 08:48.53 | abusenode | i already gave up on trying to mount cifs more or less and just marked it as noauto, but the ppp thing is annoying. |
| 08:50.05 | enouf | cp /boot/initrd.img-version /somewhere ; cd /somewhere ; zcat initrd.img-version | cpio -i ; rgrep eth0 . yields ./etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:07:5c:2d:10:85", NAME="eth0" |
| 08:50.23 | abusenode | yeah i know. i said order isnt the problem |
| 08:50.53 | enouf | i read slow ; and i type even slower :-P |
| 08:51.30 | hoxu | abusenode, man 5 interfaces, look for "post-up" |
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| 08:54.07 | abusenode | hoxu: uh and how does that relate to mounting cifs from fstab... |
| 08:54.41 | abusenode | and what is considered post-up for ppp0, is that once pppd command is run or once it acutally goes up (1-3 seconds later) |
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| 08:56.32 | enouf | abusenode: /etc/rc.local is default run at S99 in runlevel 2 .. if your NICs aren't up by then, you're doing something wrong, AFAICT |
| 08:56.45 | abusenode | oh, sure i can stick in in local. |
| 08:56.56 | abusenode | but that defeats the whole point of having a properly running system |
| 08:57.02 | abusenode | i mean i could just load everything from rc.local too |
| 08:57.09 | abusenode | in the order i want. |
| 08:57.23 | enouf | it's in /etc/ for reason |
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| 08:58.57 | abusenode | :( |
| 08:58.59 | dios_mio | how can I change my network settings from DHCP to a static IP? |
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| 09:00.37 | moshii | dios_mio: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 09:03.59 | dios_mio | how can I make it apply the changes I made in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:04.09 | abusenode | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.30 | abusenode | youre lucky, i have to run that by HAND on each reboot. |
| 09:04.34 | abusenode | and then restart network-related services. |
| 09:04.40 | abusenode | because debian cant figure shit out. |
| 09:04.45 | moshii | or ifdown <inf> ifdown <inf> |
| 09:04.51 | dios_mio | it didnt work |
| 09:04.56 | abusenode | then you broke it. |
| 09:04.57 | moshii | abusenode: what are you babbling about?... |
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| 09:05.05 | abusenode | moshii: scroll up, im not gonna repeat it. |
| 09:05.31 | dios_mio | it didnt work when I used GNOME's network admin program either |
| 09:05.55 | dios_mio | it keeps giving me an ip from dhcp |
| 09:06.12 | moshii | abusenode: um, why not use post-up commands... |
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| 09:06.28 | abusenode | dios_mio: http://rafb.net/p/CfgoeN96.html |
| 09:06.33 | abusenode | moshii: post-up for ppp0 is when? |
| 09:06.38 | abusenode | after its up? |
| 09:06.42 | abusenode | or after it forks off pppd. |
| 09:06.51 | enouf | abusenode: see, NFS would be quite trivial, as there are options in the initramfs config specifically for that - making an /etc/fstab entry 'wait' is just plain wrong to me ... however, i hinted as z25 and also rerolling your initrd to contain all NIC support - but whatever .. You actually might benefit from the 'file-rc' pkg |
| 09:06.58 | moshii | abusenode: well, it'll work from your cifs issue |
| 09:07.08 | abusenode | ya cifs i agree should be fine. |
| 09:07.20 | abusenode | but since ppp would depend on a bunch of other machines having connectivity or not |
| 09:07.21 | enouf | (as well as in /etc/default/ (for NFS)) |
| 09:07.23 | dios_mio | abusenode, I have the simliar options.. address, netmask and gateway |
| 09:07.24 | abusenode | thats kinda more important |
| 09:07.38 | enouf | why are you rebooting so often? |
| 09:07.42 | abusenode | im not |
| 09:07.48 | abusenode | but i want stuff to come back up when its rebooted. |
| 09:08.53 | abusenode | mainly because i dont want to try to remember hte order of steps to bring shit up in a year from now when it reboots next time. |
| 09:08.55 | moshii | abusenode: create a script to do the ppp bits then.. you having a complex setup isn't debian's fault |
| 09:09.17 | abusenode | moshii: i was kind of looking for an "official" way. |
| 09:09.18 | enouf | and usually people who say debian can't figure out 'x y z' need to go use windows, or ubuntu or something |
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| 09:10.04 | moshii | abusenode: write some init scripts and make them fire in the right order... there are plent of ways to solve your problem |
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| 09:10.44 | enouf | moshii: the person is being very vague so they can troll properly ;-) |
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| 09:11.10 | abusenode | im not trolling, dumbass. ive been running slackware since 1995, i am perfectly capable of writing whatever scripts i need. |
| 09:11.17 | enouf | right |
| 09:11.19 | abusenode | the whole reason im using debian is so I DONT have to do this. |
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| 09:12.13 | moshii | abusenode: so run slackware then.. if slackware can magically work out what you want just by you banging your head on the screen, good for slackware |
| 09:12.32 | abusenode | moshii: no, slackware can figure it out by me wasting time writing scripts |
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| 09:13.26 | moshii | abusenode: any thing packaged is going be "best fit".. for 99.99% of users.. most things in debian can be extended however |
| 09:13.55 | enouf | ppp0 could be very dependent upon whichever Bloated DE Behemoth you use .. again, no specifics makes for great trollage |
| 09:14.14 | abusenode | right. well, ill give cifs thing a try over the weekend when the system isnt too busy., and i guess ppp0,i'll write some script w/timeout for worst case scenario, and stick it in rc.local. |
| 09:14.20 | abusenode | cifs = in post-up |
| 09:14.32 | moshii | abusenode: your could use autofs too... |
| 09:14.37 | abusenode | how about stuff like dnsmasq/rinetd etc? how can i guarantee they start after ppp? |
| 09:14.40 | abusenode | or can i ? |
| 09:14.50 | abusenode | order of things in /rc?.d? |
| 09:15.02 | enouf | nobody uses ppp anymore - go to tldp.org, seek out older linuxgazette.net(?) issues |
| 09:15.19 | enouf | !update-rc.d |
| 09:15.19 | dpkg | hmm... update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see <rcconf> NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 09:15.24 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 09:15.25 | dpkg | methinks rcconf is a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 09:15.29 | enouf | !runlevels |
| 09:15.30 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
| 09:15.35 | enouf | !inittab |
| 09:15.35 | dpkg | hmm... inittab is the file where you configure the "init" program. there you setup the basic startup routines. dont play with it if you dont know what you do or you will have a happy floppy rescue party! |
| 09:15.37 | abusenode | yes yes yes. |
| 09:15.49 | moshii | enouf: really? no one uses ppp? *chucks away 3g modem* |
| 09:15.54 | enouf | er .. i meant /msg dpkg init - but whatever |
| 09:16.00 | enouf | moshii: nope |
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| 09:16.05 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:16.18 | moshii | enouf: how do you do it nowadays then? |
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| 09:16.37 | enouf | moshii: do what? connect? always online, cable modem |
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| 09:17.16 | enouf | moshii: no rebooting allowed either (well very rare) .. windows is for rebooters :-P |
| 09:17.19 | moshii | abusenode: most apps just listen on all interfaces by default, so it wouldn't matter if ppp0 was up.. some apps do have a "wait for interface" option though |
| 09:17.52 | moshii | enouf: I had to use 3g via my nokia n95 with pppd for 3 months waiting for cable to be fitted |
| 09:17.57 | abusenode | moshii: i dont want stuff listening on all interfaces.. all the things i startup are bound to specific ones.. why do you think i have 3 network cards .. |
| 09:18.19 | abusenode | i know at least dnsmasq and rinetd probably break if they come up before ppp0 |
| 09:18.25 | abusenode | once i saw rinetd raping 100% cpu |
| 09:18.34 | abusenode | because it was trying to bind to nonexistent ip |
| 09:18.55 | moshii | abusenode: sooo, don't start them automatically if you can't ensure the environment is ready |
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| 09:19.16 | enouf | moshii: i gotcha - well - i've not seen much ppp talk in these channels in years .. but ok .. BTW - 1.8. Phonet Network Protocol http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 <-- interesting for you? |
| 09:19.52 | abusenode | moshii: so, set them to stop and start the junk from rc.local? i mean i could just go and edit config files in slackware, too :( |
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| 09:20.18 | abusenode | i wonder if I can make some kinda virtual interface |
| 09:20.23 | abusenode | and give it my ppp0's IP |
| 09:20.33 | moshii | abusenode:you can probably hook into the networking scripts to do what you want |
| 09:20.33 | abusenode | and that will be always up, and hten bridge ppp0 to that. |
| 09:20.50 | abusenode | that would probably solve most of the problems with silly / broken services needing the interface running. |
| 09:20.51 | moshii | abusenode: you can create dummy interfaces with the dummy modules |
| 09:21.03 | moshii | dummy module |
| 09:21.16 | abusenode | will have to look into that maybe. |
| 09:21.25 | enouf | !info insserv sid |
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| 09:21.59 | moshii | abusenode: A linux kernel + gnu userland + various open sources tools doesn't magically grow AI because it has a different name |
| 09:22.05 | dpkg | insserv: (boot sequence organizer using LSB init.d script dependencies), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.12.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 09:22.06 | abusenode | heh |
| 09:22.32 | enouf | judd: versions insserv |
| 09:22.34 | judd | enouf: insserv -- etch: 1.08.0-11 lenny: 1.12.0-4 sid: 1.12.0-4 |
| 09:22.34 | abusenode | i was shocked there was no less than 5 differnt ways in debian to edit what starts at waht runlevel |
| 09:22.40 | enouf | oh .. cool |
| 09:22.48 | abusenode | (i mean apps for doing so) |
| 09:22.53 | abusenode | i forgot what i installed for it. |
| 09:22.54 | enouf | (thought it was only in sid) |
| 09:22.58 | moshii | you really need a deamon that checks that ppp0 is around and working and manages those services for you |
| 09:23.29 | moshii | hasn't noticed much difference by using insserv :( |
| 09:23.50 | abusenode | i just uninstalled it. |
| 09:23.53 | abusenode | (insserv) |
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| 09:24.02 | abusenode | i figured by 2008, there's be a usable interface for such an pp. |
| 09:24.05 | abusenode | pp=app |
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| 09:24.19 | abusenode | getting like 200 lines printed to stderr so I cant | more it = instafail, bye |
| 09:24.19 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 09:24.28 | saimazoon | Where could I see package versions for Lenny |
| 09:24.32 | craigevil | moshii: did on my eee, using insserv and a few other tweaks lxde boots in 20 seconds |
| 09:24.37 | saimazoon | And the kernerl version it comes shipped with ? |
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| 09:24.43 | abusenode | packages.debian.org |
| 09:24.58 | craigevil | and thats without the EFO boot booster |
| 09:25.03 | craigevil | EFI |
| 09:25.11 | moshii | craigevil: mmm might try it on the misses' aspire one.. it boots pretty quickly without though |
| 09:25.15 | saimazoon | abusenode: thanks |
| 09:25.23 | saimazoon | do you know what's the kernel version in lenny? |
| 09:25.36 | moshii | saimazoon: packages.debian.org |
| 09:25.49 | moshii | lenny is 2.6.26 I think though |
| 09:25.52 | saimazoon | 2.6.26, it seems |
| 09:25.53 | saimazoon | thanks |
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| 09:27.16 | dios_mio | why wont the NetWork Admin program wont have any effect when I change from dhcp to static IP? |
| 09:27.23 | moshii | abusenode: you seen to want everything to be very easy.. |
| 09:27.38 | moshii | dios_mio: network manager? |
| 09:27.45 | moshii | abusenode: s/seen/seem |
| 09:27.47 | dios_mio | moshii, yes I think so |
| 09:28.00 | dios_mio | it is called "network settings" on its window |
| 09:28.30 | moshii | dios_mio: network manager doesn't care for the network interfaces file except that it ignores interfaces that are configured there |
| 09:28.42 | enouf | heh |
| 09:29.10 | enouf | better go bother gnome people - like abusenode should bother his DE people |
| 09:29.18 | dios_mio | moshii, I edited the interfaces file but that had no effect either... I still get a dhcp ip |
| 09:29.19 | moshii | I think it ignores any "auto" interfaces... |
| 09:29.46 | moshii | dios_mio: ok, first thing is to stop network-manager so that it stops managing stuff |
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| 09:30.33 | schme | g'day |
| 09:31.18 | dios_mio | it seems like the network admin program does edit interfaces file... the same way I did manually anyway.. but to no effect |
| 09:31.34 | moshii | dios_mio: oh, thats something different and nasty then |
| 09:31.44 | enouf | i highly doubt that |
| 09:32.06 | moshii | enouf: it shouldn't be editing the interfaces file.. |
| 09:33.23 | dios_mio | moshii, well if it didnt edit that file how would it work? |
| 09:33.47 | dios_mio | you said so yourself, it doesnt work simply because it doesnt touch the file |
| 09:33.55 | dios_mio | so it is supposed to edit the file to work |
| 09:33.58 | moshii | dios_mio: the desktop network managers usually use network-manager and don't touch your static settings |
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| 09:35.07 | moshii | dios_mio: you can change interface settings without changing that file.. thats what ifconfig is for. The idea of that file is to make your settings persistent |
| 09:35.18 | dios_mio | I see |
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| 09:35.57 | bochecha | hi |
| 09:36.09 | moshii | dios_mio: if you want to set a static ip just for now you can just do "ifconfig <interface> <ip>" |
| 09:36.17 | dios_mio | should I comment out "auto eth0" ? |
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| 09:36.23 | moshii | dios_mio: but its gone when you reboot |
| 09:36.23 | bochecha | is there a way to know who the maintainer of a package in Debian is ? |
| 09:36.28 | dios_mio | moshii, right |
| 09:36.52 | moshii | bochecha: it's part of the package descriptor |
| 09:36.58 | alex_laptop | Hi all! I'm trying to compile a gtk software [1] on my Debian Etch, and I've this error during make : ‘Tooltip’ is not a member of ‘Gtk’ ... do you can help me, or tell me where i can find help ? |
| 09:37.09 | alex_laptop | [1] : http://kin.klever.net/napkin/ |
| 09:37.26 | moshii | dios_mio: what tool are your using to change the settings? is it a gnome control panel or something? |
| 09:37.27 | bochecha | moshii, you mean on an installed Debian I could know it with dpkg or another command ? |
| 09:37.50 | hoxu | bochecha, apt-cache show |
| 09:37.58 | aib42 | how can I delete apt caches, locks, package lists and everything to minimize the disk space use? |
| 09:38.08 | hoxu | aib42, apt-get clean |
| 09:38.09 | dios_mio | moshii, yes, in debian GNOME it is in this menu applications>debian>apps>system>network admin |
| 09:38.14 | moshii | bochecha: apt-cache show |
| 09:38.52 | aib42 | hoxu: doesn't delete /var/cache/apt |
| 09:38.58 | moshii | dios_mio: ok, never used it, my experience of desktop environments editing config files isn't a positive one though. |
| 09:39.05 | hoxu | bochecha, you can also type "judd: maintainer <package>" here |
| 09:39.18 | bochecha | well, I don't have any installed Debian right here, but I'd like to contact the maintainer of a package in Debian. I'm maintaining the same package in Fedora and I have questions about it. Could someone provide me this information ? (kind of a lot to install a whole OS just to get someone's email :) |
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| 09:39.29 | dios_mio | moshii, well the problem is, the interfaces file does get edited, either by hand or by that tool, and still I dont get the IP I want |
| 09:39.40 | bochecha | hoxu, oh great, that's way easier ^^ |
| 09:39.41 | hoxu | aib42, you dont' want to delete that |
| 09:39.45 | moshii | dios_mio: can you paste your interfaces file somewhere? |
| 09:39.49 | dios_mio | ok |
| 09:40.22 | hoxu | aib42, you can comment stuff from your sources.list and run apt-get update though |
| 09:40.27 | dios_mio | http://rafb.net/p/8u6Ziq50.html |
| 09:40.33 | bochecha | judd, maintainer adonthell |
| 09:40.34 | judd | bochecha: no record of adonthell |
| 09:40.47 | dios_mio | moshii, here, check it http://rafb.net/p/8u6Ziq50.html |
| 09:40.48 | hoxu | heh. |
| 09:40.54 | hoxu | bochecha, apt-cache show <package> then |
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| 09:41.12 | bochecha | hoxu, could you run it for me ? as I said, I don't have any installed Debian... |
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| 09:41.22 | enouf | dios_mio: seems like gconf-editor might be for you? |
| 09:41.29 | aib42 | hoxu: I don't have a source package path but there's a srcpkgcache.bin in /var/cache/apt |
| 09:41.38 | dios_mio | enouf, hmm? |
| 09:41.54 | hoxu | bochecha, Gordon Fraser <gordon@debian.org> |
| 09:42.03 | bochecha | hoxu, thanks a lot :) |
| 09:42.05 | hoxu | bochecha, you can also use packages.debian.org/<package> :P |
| 09:42.15 | dios_mio | enouf, what do you mean? |
| 09:42.21 | moshii | dios_mio: the only thing I can see thats missing is a broadcast address, did you do ifdown eth0? |
| 09:42.24 | alex_laptop | special offer : free virtual beer for whoever helps me ! |
| 09:42.34 | aib42 | what do the files in /var/cache/apt do anyway? |
| 09:42.52 | dios_mio | moshii, the network admin tool reconnects to the gateway when I click "ok" and close it |
| 09:43.08 | hoxu | alex_laptop, just ask your question and wait like everyone else... |
| 09:43.13 | bochecha | hoxu, great, gotta bookmark this one :) |
| 09:43.24 | alex_laptop | Hi all! I'm trying to compile a gtk software [1] on my Debian Etch, and I've this error during make : ‘Tooltip’ is not a member of ‘Gtk’ ... do you can help me, or tell me where i can find help ? |
| 09:43.27 | alex_laptop | [1] : http://kin.klever.net/napkin/ |
| 09:43.28 | moshii | dios_mio: open up a shell and run ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 |
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| 09:45.38 | hoxu | alex_laptop, did you make sure you have all the dependencies installed? Did you try googling with the error message? |
| 09:46.41 | dios_mio | moshii, are you on GNOME? |
| 09:46.41 | dios_mio | moshii, on GNOME I can see when I get disconnected or connected to the router.... when I type ifdown eth0 it reconnects immediately on its own |
| 09:46.46 | dios_mio | moshii, thats what happens when I use the network admin tool anyway.. exact same thing.. a disconnect and a reconnect |
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| 09:47.02 | alex_laptop | hoxu, i've installed dependencies as tell in the faq (http://kin.klever.net/napkin/fqa), ./configure don't complain about a missing dependencies. I've googled on the errors messages, but i've found nothing |
| 09:48.05 | moshii | dios_mio: you might have network-manager running then |
| 09:48.46 | moshii | dios_mio: you've added the auto line? /etc/init.d/network-manager restart -- maybe that'll help |
| 09:48.55 | dios_mio | moshii, no it was there |
| 09:49.04 | hoxu | alex_laptop, check that the libraries are as new as needed, if that doesn't help I'd say contact the author |
| 09:49.35 | dios_mio | moshii, there is no "networking-manager" only a "networking" |
| 09:49.38 | enouf | Aren't tooltips endaround runs using html inappropriately? |
| 09:50.17 | enouf | alex_laptop: can you pastebin the last 50 or so lines of your make? |
| 09:50.22 | alex_laptop | hoxu, I've updated my whole Etch before installing libgtkmm24-dev |
| 09:50.37 | moshii | dios_mio: mmm ok, I wonder whats bringing the interface backup when you take it down,.. maybe its hotplug, but I only thought it did that when you insert the hardware |
| 09:50.51 | dios_mio | I see |
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| 09:51.10 | hoxu | alex_laptop, check the versions of the libraries that software depends on. Etch may not have new enough libraries |
| 09:51.25 | hoxu | alex_laptop, although I guess the configure script should've complained |
| 09:51.31 | enouf | 1998? gtk1? :-P |
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| 09:52.16 | moshii | heard that gtk1 was getting dumped after lenny |
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| 09:53.48 | enouf | why does that image remind me of windows 3.11 or earlier :-P |
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| 09:56.40 | alex_laptop | enouf, yes, of course : http://pastebin.com/m49016836 |
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| 09:57.33 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 09:57.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, localized errors is it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else. LANG=C command |
| 09:57.38 | alex_laptop | enouf, error start line 167 |
| 09:58.46 | hoxu | (although I guess in this case it's not a problem) |
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| 09:59.06 | phone | talk into the mouth piece |
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| 10:00.07 | alex_laptop | hoxu, I've put line 206 the non localized errors |
| 10:00.25 | phone | hoxu, I've put line 206 the non localized errors |
| 10:01.08 | hoxu | another fancy bot eh? |
| 10:01.21 | phone | other fancy bot eh? |
| 10:04.41 | bochecha | ok, got what I needed, thanks a lot guys :) |
| 10:04.43 | bochecha | bye |
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| 10:05.18 | phone | ok, got what I needed, thanks a lot guys :) |
| 10:05.18 | phone | bye |
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| 10:05.35 | alex_laptop | hoxu, maybe i can try to uninstall gtkmm24, and try with gtkmm20? |
| 10:05.49 | hoxu | !ops phone is repeating everything, +q/+b please |
| 10:05.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: phone is repeating everything, +q/+b please |
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| 10:06.12 | lwolf | hi, i'm trying to install xen on lenny. but i'm wondering , which package replace linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-amd64 ? |
| 10:06.28 | hoxu | thanks |
| 10:06.30 | Maulkin | phone: Please take off topic conversation elsewhere. Thanks. |
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| 10:08.30 | alex_laptop | hoxu, did you try to compile napkin on your system ? |
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| 10:08.50 | hoxu | alex_laptop, no |
| 10:09.34 | alex_laptop | ok ... i understand it's not a debian specific problem, but where i can find help ? no response on #gtk and #gtk+ :( |
| 10:10.13 | hoxu | alex_laptop, software that is not part of debian is a bit out-of-scope here, take my advice on asking the author what the dependencies are exactly, and show them the error too :p |
| 10:10.36 | hoxu | or wait patiently on the channels you mentioned |
| 10:10.54 | alex_laptop | ok, i'll send a mail to the author, thanks for your help hoxu |
| 10:11.16 | hoxu | :) |
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| 10:19.27 | abusenode | moshii: if i wanted shit hard, i'd go back to slackware |
| 10:19.46 | abusenode | i was gonna install slack 12.whatever on this box and then when i got to package selection menu i was like, fuck you. |
| 10:20.08 | abusenode | ive been selecting those shits for years, because default install fills the system with trash. and then i'd spend a day recompiling shit. but now I jut want sutff to work. |
| 10:21.35 | hoxu | if you want to rant, make a blog. Otherwise come up with a sensible question and we will tell you of any tools we are aware of to solve your problem |
| 10:21.59 | hoxu | I believe some have already been pointed to you, but they were not to your liking |
| 10:22.32 | abusenode | no, im gonna implement some of the suggestions when the system is less busy and i can reboot it without too many users noticing. |
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| 10:22.48 | abusenode | i've taken a note of all of htem. |
| 10:24.06 | moshii | abusenode: so you've deployed a system the doesnt work to users? oops |
| 10:24.30 | abusenode | yeah, go me |
| 10:24.32 | abusenode | nah it works |
| 10:24.39 | abusenode | just need to do some manual setup at reboot |
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| 10:24.48 | abusenode | which is what im trying to resolve soon. |
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| 10:29.22 | xingu | abusenode: pppd has its own framework for running scripts; see /etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
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| 11:00.36 | aib42 | I'm trying to modify a debian base installation to run on a read-only root fs. Any pointers? |
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| 11:05.29 | mafm | hi |
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| 11:09.19 | mafm | does anybody know if I can download files in the queue, these ones listed in: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/openscenegraph_2.6.1-1.html |
| 11:09.23 | abusenode | xingu: ok good |
| 11:09.26 | abusenode | checking it out. |
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| 11:21.35 | lnxnubie | why can't i find a bigmem kernel for debian etch amd64 ? |
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| 11:23.21 | lnxnubie | anybody home ? |
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| 11:24.32 | mhymn | well, probably no need for a bigmem in amd64 |
| 11:24.37 | mafm | do 64 bit systems need that/ |
| 11:25.20 | craigevil | i might be wrong but i dont think 64bit needs a bimem kernel |
| 11:26.04 | lnxnubie | i have a system with 4 GB ram, but free -m shows only 3950 MB |
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| 11:27.30 | lnxnubie | i have some 32bit once too, they too showed less RAM , but when i compiled the kernel with HIGHMEM64G support, i could see more RAM |
| 11:27.55 | lnxnubie | any doc / link i could refer ? |
| 11:28.03 | mhymn | i have 1GB but it shows 1011MB, so it's normal i guess, 4GB doesn't need a bigmem! |
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| 11:28.47 | mhymn | a 64bit kernel would be fine though |
| 11:29.17 | lnxnubie | the same system when on 32bit kernel shows 4049 MB |
| 11:29.21 | K_Sakura | AMD64 kernels (currently) don't need to be a bigmem version for >4GB. I have 6 gigs currently. |
| 11:29.49 | lnxnubie | and what do you see in free -m ? |
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| 11:30.44 | K_Sakura | in top I see: Mem: 6131512k total, 6086392k used, 45120k free, 183728k buffers |
| 11:31.01 | hoxu | lnxnubie, 4050 here with 4 GiB, I don't know where the rest goes but I'm not worried :p |
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| 11:31.17 | mafm | in the first lines of kernel log (dmesg) it says the amount of memory detected |
| 11:31.35 | mafm | part of that it's used by the kernel for data, modules and so on |
| 11:32.31 | mhymn | or 'cat /proc/meminfo' |
| 11:33.29 | K_Sakura | [ 0.004000] Memory: 6123524k/7077888k available (2225k kernel code, 166200k reserved, 1079k data, 392k init) (/var/log/dmesg) |
| 11:33.49 | mafm | something like that, yep :) |
| 11:34.04 | mafm | 166m reserved, not bad :D |
| 11:34.41 | K_Sakura | I have a stock kernel, with the nvidia binary blob. |
| 11:35.06 | K_Sakura | (Though I'm pretty sure its not loaded at that point. |
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| 11:37.16 | K_Sakura | I'm not sure, but I can't seem to find about 164 megs. The funny thing is, I don't really care. Ten years ago, that was ten times what I had, though. |
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| 11:40.11 | simonrvn | out of what, 6-8 GB? not too much to worry about ;). |
| 11:41.03 | K_Sakura | Out of 6 gigs, no, I wouldn't likely notice. And if I did.... I'd just get another two gigs. (^.^) |
| 11:41.38 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:41.57 | lnxnubie | On 32 bit, top : Mem: 4146608k total |
| 11:41.57 | lnxnubie | On 64 bit, top: Mem: 4045112k total |
| 11:42.06 | K_Sakura | For a ten year old computer, Awkbox is, oddly new. Well, almost 11. |
| 11:42.44 | sylarr | is the Atheros lan chip ok? |
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| 11:44.52 | K_Sakura | Well, I have upgraded it nearly constantly, from a 486, through a K6-2, to now a dual core Athlon. |
| 11:45.30 | K_Sakura | (There were a total of five boards.) |
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| 11:46.15 | craigevil | sylarr: Atheros wireless works fine |
| 11:46.36 | simonrvn | i run from what i can get. right now it's a 1st gen. athlon, 1 imac, and a beige g3 that are in day-to-day use. |
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| 11:47.55 | xingu | anyone happen to know offhand if ich9r supports the esata port multiplier feature? |
| 11:48.46 | sylarr | craigevil, I meant the gigabit wired lan |
| 11:49.03 | sylarr | craigevil, what's on asus p5q line |
| 11:50.10 | K_Sakura | (5 motherboards, 12 hard drives, 5 video cards, 5 monitors, 5 Ethernet cards, 7 OSes (one in an emulator), two sound cards, 5 sets of speakers, 5 optical drives (four burners), and an uncountable number of keyboards and mice.) |
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| 11:52.38 | K_Sakura | I'm not sure if its an isolated occurrence, but the gigabit Ethernet card I had broke down in just four months. (It was a PCI-E card) |
| 11:56.22 | Jemt | Hello. I'm running Lenny. Will the pre-built nvidia driver replace the existing 'nv' driver for xorg, so that nvidia graphic cards are automatically set up? Or do I still have to modify the xorg.conf file by hand? |
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| 12:01.56 | K_Sakura | If by 'pre-built' you mean the nvidia binary blob, then the program for installing it also has a 'lets modify xorg.conf' function. However, i found that adding: Driver "nvidia" |
| 12:02.07 | K_Sakura | to xorg.conf works better. |
| 12:02.28 | liable | he left |
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| 12:02.57 | K_Sakura | I noticed, right about 4 seconds after I sent the second message. |
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| 12:03.33 | K_Sakura | If by 'pre-built' you mean the nvidia binary blob, then the program for installing it also has a 'lets modify xorg.conf' function. However, i found that adding: Driver "nvidia" to xorg.conf works better. |
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| 12:04.03 | K_Sakura | This time I pounced before he had a chance to leave. =(^.^)= |
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| 12:05.12 | liable | :) |
| 12:05.13 | freeagle | hi cahoot_ |
| 12:05.19 | freeagle | hi liable |
| 12:05.26 | freeagle | there ? |
| 12:05.32 | freeagle | liable there ? |
| 12:05.37 | liable | sure |
| 12:05.51 | freeagle | what r u doing now ? |
| 12:06.04 | K_Sakura | Thinking about it, one thing that's always annoyed me whenever I've used MSOS, is that C&P is so awkward. Especially compared to the system that appears to be used in most Linux WMs. |
| 12:06.07 | liable | putting on my robe and wizard hat |
| 12:06.20 | mafm | bye |
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| 12:07.00 | freeagle | good |
| 12:07.20 | freeagle | what's that mean? |
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| 12:07.45 | liable | its an old bash.org quote |
| 12:08.07 | freeagle | i c |
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| 12:09.15 | K_Sakura | Compare: MSOS "Highlight, ctrl-c, (click/alt-tab to other window), ctrl-P" Every Linux WM I've used: "highlight, (hover to other window) middle-click", |
| 12:09.18 | Jemt | K_Sakura, Ah, I just realized that you answered my question. Thanks :) |
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| 12:09.34 | K_Sakura | NP. |
| 12:10.33 | _2 | hover to other window ??? |
| 12:10.36 | Jemt | K_Sakura, I'm not interested in another way of modifying xorg - i want xorg to be able to do the configuration for me. I have Debian installed onto a USB Flash Device and uses it with computers using ATI, Nvidia and Intel graphic cards - so I need it to be able to configure it automatically |
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| 12:11.03 | schme | K_Sakura: Though the standard X way sucks when you're not using a mouse. |
| 12:11.03 | Jemt | Xorg automatically loads the drivers for ATI and Intel gfx cards |
| 12:11.15 | K_Sakura | I've really only configured a few computers. |
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| 12:11.24 | Jemt | I wonder if it will load the non-accelerated |
| 12:11.33 | Jemt | I wonder if it will load the non-accelerated 'nv' driver if I use it on a computer with Nvidia |
| 12:12.10 | K_Sakura | schme: True. My roommate has mouse related problems, namely she almost never uses one. |
| 12:12.39 | schme | K_Sakura: I try to avoid 'em meself. Only use 'em when I have to :) |
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| 12:12.50 | Jemt | I seldom use my mouse in Gnome. It's quite keyboard friendly :) |
| 12:13.03 | schme | seldom uses gnome, it's very unfriendly. |
| 12:13.24 | Jemt | That depends I guess |
| 12:13.27 | _2 | uses a mouse to copy/paste but seldom uses xorg |
| 12:13.34 | schme | Latest gnome issue I have: I fire up gnome, it says it uses alt+tab for switching. I have no tab. Go to configure, and it refuses to let me configure meta+tab for switching. So no switching. |
| 12:13.34 | K_Sakura | seldom uses Gnome or even KDE (resource-hogs) |
| 12:14.04 | schme | Making gnome incredibly not friendly. Yay. Back to hating. |
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| 12:14.21 | K_Sakura | Yes, I know my computer is a monster that shouldn't have any problems with either Gnome or KDE -- but it wasn't always. |
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| 12:14.48 | lostson | schme: thought you said you had not tab ? |
| 12:14.58 | schme | Laeborg: sorry. I meant no Alt :) |
| 12:15.01 | schme | gaah |
| 12:15.05 | schme | mistab. |
| 12:15.10 | schme | lostson: Sorry. I meant no Alt. |
| 12:15.58 | K_Sakura | tries to resist urge to make pun about tabs and errors |
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| 12:16.09 | _2 | no alt ? neither a left nor a right alt ? |
| 12:16.17 | schme | _2: Exactly. |
| 12:16.25 | _2 | o.O |
| 12:16.48 | K_Sakura | It must be interesting trying to go to -- or switch between TTYs. |
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| 12:17.33 | profpardal | ola tem aguem do brasil aÃ? |
| 12:17.35 | schme | How so? It's just my xmodmap that have none, and X has no problem with me using meta as a mod for switching to console ttys. |
| 12:17.42 | schme | It's just gnome and kde that are braindead. |
| 12:17.48 | xand | !pt |
| 12:17.49 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 12:18.04 | K_Sakura | Braindead resource-hogs. |
| 12:18.13 | schme | K_Sakura: They're not resource-hogs though :) |
| 12:18.34 | schme | K_Sakura: Also I never go to any of the ttys here. Can't think of a reason why I would. |
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| 12:19.14 | K_Sakura | They are when your computer was a K6-2-550, with an S3 video card, in 2003. |
| 12:19.26 | schme | Bah. |
| 12:19.39 | schme | Just like X supposedly was a hog back in 94 when you had just the 8MB of RAM, eh? |
| 12:19.43 | schme | yet it ran jeeez fine. |
| 12:20.03 | schme | I'd love to run the gnome. :) |
| 12:20.08 | K_Sakura | Actually, I had 8 megs in 1998, then I got another 8 later in 1998. |
| 12:20.25 | schme | Aha. |
| 12:20.48 | K_Sakura | (486+DOS, 1998-2000) |
| 12:21.04 | schme | I'm considering trying the xfce and see if it is also braindead. |
| 12:21.24 | K_Sakura | I use fvwm, with an old configuration. |
| 12:21.40 | schme | oh some fvwm luv. |
| 12:21.53 | schme | being a keyboard user I use the tiling ones. |
| 12:21.56 | K_Sakura | (I don't like the current default configuration.) |
| 12:22.06 | schme | default anything fvwm has always been crap ;) |
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| 12:22.22 | K_Sakura | 2003's wasn't THAT bad. |
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| 12:22.52 | K_Sakura | Or should I say "Potato's" wasn't that bad? |
| 12:23.17 | schme | :) |
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| 12:24.22 | _2 | anyone ever configure a 134key keyboard for console use ? |
| 12:24.30 | K_Sakura | Funny, I use Linux now because I didn't want to reinstall MSOS. |
| 12:24.47 | K_Sakura | I don't think I've ever seen a 134 key keyboard. |
| 12:24.53 | schme | No what is that? |
| 12:26.51 | _2 | so M$ special crap has keys marked to send mail open ie play/stop/pause cd/dvd volume up/down an extra set of dirrectional keys ... a scroll wheel .... |
| 12:27.06 | _2 | s/so/some/ |
| 12:27.51 | _2 | "media center keyboard" |
| 12:28.35 | simonrvn | i have a logitech similar to that |
| 12:28.56 | simonrvn | no extra arrow keys though |
| 12:29.08 | K_Sakura | (My OS list: DOS, MSOS95(4 hours, then back to DOS), MSOS98SE, SuSE Linux (died after first shutoff), Redhat Linux (died after a few reboots), Debian Linux, MacOS6 (emulated), and MSOSXP (emulated) |
| 12:29.16 | profpardal | who install java plugin on amd64? |
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| 12:30.40 | K_Sakura | I still need to find a decent Mac emulator. Emulating a IIci is fine. It only needs to run on amd64. |
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| 12:31.09 | K_Sakura | Well, a *new* one. Since it seems that BasiliskII is no longer supported. |
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| 12:32.04 | K_Sakura | loves emulators |
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| 12:32.28 | _2 | i've never had the hardware to support emulation |
| 12:32.38 | zaphands | Hello all! I'm trying to install debian from a usb (I can't use a cd). After setting up syslinux and the relevant files, when booting from the usb I get a kernel panic: can't find linuxrc. What did I miss? |
| 12:34.34 | _2 | zaphands could be that linuxrc needs to be a script (kinda like sysV init) ? or perhaps you used too much of the example and not enough of your own code |
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| 12:35.43 | _2 | zaphands also you may have the wrong device denoted as your rootfs |
| 12:36.36 | _2 | maybe boot with root="what ever your usb stick is, maybe sda + partition number if you use them" |
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| 12:37.30 | zaphands | _2 different guides say different root. is it supposed to be /dev/ram ? /dev/rd/0? |
| 12:38.00 | zaphands | _2 I used this link by the way: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 12:38.27 | _2 | zaphands root is supposed to be what ever your rootfs really is, i.e. /dev/sda5 maybe |
| 12:38.31 | craigevil | try this http://wiki.debian.org/InstallToUsbMemoryStick?highlight=(usb) |
| 12:39.46 | _2 | copied that link and almost browsed it as his normal user rather than "root", glad i caught myself in time |
| 12:41.16 | zaphands | craigevil: it doesn't say anything about root. I can load the kernel using syslinux, but I get a kernel panic. |
| 12:42.30 | _2 | you are using an initramfs image ? |
| 12:42.59 | zaphands | is it the same as initrd? |
| 12:43.50 | _2 | for practical purposes "kinda" when i setup my usb stick i used uuid for the root= setup in the initramfs |
| 12:44.33 | _2 | but i wasn't making an install, i was making a portable/live system. |
| 12:45.22 | zaphands | I didn't create the initrd. It's the from unstable install. How can I tell the root? |
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| 12:46.07 | K_Sakura | I thought just about all 2.6 kernels, and most 2.4 series kernels needed initrds. |
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| 12:46.31 | _2 | K_Sakura all depends on compile options |
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| 12:47.05 | K_Sakura | Well, all the *stock* ones I've used since 2.4-something needed an initrd. |
| 12:47.18 | zaphands | rebooting. brb. |
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| 12:47.46 | _2 | K_Sakura most kernel compilers opt to use an init* image because the kernel has gotten so bloated it can't boot without them, if you compile in everything that you "might" need to get the system up and running |
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| 12:47.59 | K_Sakura | (And they really let me know if they didn't have one.) |
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| 12:49.07 | _2 | one thing that bothers me is the lack of even ext2fs support in the default kernels now days. ;/ |
| 12:49.27 | cahoot | huh? |
| 12:50.05 | _2 | seems that fs support would be a good thing to build in rather than depending on the init* to supply it. |
| 12:50.14 | K_Sakura | True, they do get bigger and bigger. My /partition that was 128 megs (IIRC) became really cramped when I went to the amd64 chip. Now my / is 4.6 gigs. |
| 12:50.21 | _2 | i mean ext2 fs support ^ |
| 12:50.27 | K_Sakura | Or was it a 256meg / back then? |
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| 12:51.34 | K_Sakura | Whatever it was, I got down to only enough room for two kernels to be on the system at a time. |
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| 12:52.06 | _2 | K_Sakura smallest hd i ever installed linux on was 210m lappy that i setup to dual boot slackware linux 4.0 and win95 |
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| 12:52.47 | K_Sakura | Granted, / and /boot are on the same partition, and I still have /tmp having its own partition. |
| 12:53.23 | _2 | stopped using partitions in 05 |
| 12:53.30 | K_Sakura | The reason that /tmp has its own partition stems from wine. And very very big logfiles. Ending up all in /. |
| 12:55.09 | _2 | it's odd my largest hd was 4.4g when i stopped using partitions now i have the disk space to partition off a houndred of those but don't use partitions at all go figure |
| 12:55.37 | schme | I love partitions. ;) |
| 12:56.09 | K_Sakura | still uses partitions for her boot drive. And has four other HDs. |
| 12:56.55 | schme | I like the /tmp and /var for certain machines.. bugger if all the log files or something would fill up / ;) |
| 12:57.14 | _2 | ^ which probably have a single partition on them K_Sakura |
| 12:57.19 | schme | and /home most of the time makes sense to me anyway. easier to move it around. |
| 12:59.45 | K_Sakura | On Awkbox: /, /var, /tmp, /usr/, /home, (boot drive). /windows, /images, /sanaka, /DOS, (first PATA disk). /250, /750, and /320 are complete disks. |
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| 13:01.17 | _2 | still thinks K_Sakura didn't grasp the differance in having one primary partition that covers the entire disk and not haveing any partition at all. but could be wrong. |
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| 13:02.21 | K_Sakura | Not having any partition(s) generally is the state drives come in, isn't it? |
| 13:02.52 | schme | Sure. |
| 13:02.53 | _2 | <shrugs> i don't get mine new. |
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| 13:03.12 | schme | But if you have different things mounted at different mountpoints.. it's different partitions ;) |
| 13:03.16 | enouf | you aren't going to use the 1st 63 sectors for anything important |
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| 13:04.04 | K_Sakura | I use /images as a place to dump disk images that I'm about to burn -- thus I'm not as likely to run out of space for making disk images. |
| 13:04.06 | _2 | enouf :) |
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| 13:05.12 | _2 | <schme> But if you have different things mounted at different mountpoints.. it's different partitions ;) <<< no it's different filesystems they can be on different partitions, or they can be on different disks/devices |
| 13:05.58 | schme | Yes of course. But with K_Sakura saying that each mount point is a whole disk. It better be a partition. |
| 13:06.32 | schme | NOt that it matters. |
| 13:06.43 | _2 | schme yeah i'm not sure that some M$ terminology wasn't bleeding through |
| 13:06.48 | schme | I need more disk space, that is where it is at. |
| 13:07.13 | K_Sakura | Indeed -- /750 isn't on the same device as /250 -- in fact, /250 is hdc1 and /750 is sdb1. While /var is sda7 and /home is sda9. |
| 13:07.23 | _2 | schme heh, if you didn't have all those movies you would have enough space |
| 13:07.32 | schme | _2: I have 2 movies here. |
| 13:07.57 | K_Sakura | edits video sometimes |
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| 13:08.18 | TriELs | hi |
| 13:08.27 | _2 | K_Sakura and the "one" in hdc1 and in sdb1 are both partitions sdb and hdc are the disks on which the partitions exist |
| 13:08.30 | TriELs | last time i was at my salon my hairdresser hinted that i was sometimes paying too much. |
| 13:08.42 | TriELs | indeed, the time before that, i dropped by after my cut and added an extra $5 to her tip. |
| 13:08.48 | K_Sakura | likes anime. |
| 13:09.12 | TriELs | made me feel uncomfortable about my tipping habits with her. |
| 13:09.29 | TriELs | any civilized gentlemen here? |
| 13:09.54 | TriELs | says we've got a whole lot of people watching on. |
| 13:09.59 | zamuro | Civilized? Hmmm... Dunno. |
| 13:10.17 | _2 | <TriELs> any civilized gentlemen here? <<< not that would take a cat to a hair dresser ! |
| 13:10.22 | TriELs | what's a good tip on a $45 cut? |
| 13:10.44 | asg | 20% if it was a good one |
| 13:10.52 | mx-tvt | exactly |
| 13:10.58 | TriELs | $6? |
| 13:11.01 | mx-tvt | 10-20 depending on service |
| 13:11.01 | asg | $9 |
| 13:11.07 | TriELs | $15? |
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| 13:11.17 | TriELs | Is $6 too little? |
| 13:11.24 | davidisko | any utility for recovering ext3 formatted partition? |
| 13:11.26 | asg | $9 would be sufficient for a great cut. |
| 13:11.41 | _2 | davidisko testdisk |
| 13:11.52 | TriELs | i'm a student. that's why my hairdreser gives me 20%. |
| 13:11.53 | asg | davidisko: fsck, backups |
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| 13:12.02 | TriELs | i've been sometimes tipping so much that the entire 20% was negated. |
| 13:12.07 | einand | thats funny, in sweden its inpolite to tip anyone else than your servitress |
| 13:12.09 | TriELs | my hairdresser told me i was sometimes paying too much. |
| 13:12.10 | zamuro | davidisko: Recovering data from a formatted ext3 partition, you mean? |
| 13:12.21 | TriELs | i'm not a big businessman. i'm a little starving student, she says. |
| 13:12.25 | davidisko | zamuro: yes |
| 13:12.35 | _2 | davidisko testdisk is good for recovering a partition, if you have not overwriten and have only hosed the partition table |
| 13:12.37 | zamuro | Is that even possible? |
| 13:12.56 | davidisko | _2: i want to recover data from there.. |
| 13:13.11 | stoned | unless you do a low level format specifically your data is still there |
| 13:13.13 | zamuro | davidisko: Have you already wrote over that formatted partition? |
| 13:13.16 | _2 | like i said if you haven't over written |
| 13:13.22 | stoned | only the pointers to it in the FS are gone |
| 13:13.46 | stoned | recreate it as it was and try to recover (the partition table) |
| 13:14.00 | TriELs | i run the windows operating system on all my computers. |
| 13:14.02 | davidisko | zamuro: yes.. but i tried to recover data with some free software r-linux etc. and can see some data but not that i want |
| 13:14.38 | davidisko | there are very important data on that partition.. |
| 13:14.45 | _2 | <stoned> unless you do a low level format specifically your data is still there <<< what about cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda ??? or do you consider that a low level format ? |
| 13:14.49 | zamuro | stoned: If you've already wrote over, that'll be quite a problem if you want to recover your data, afaik. |
| 13:14.52 | mx-tvt | davidisko, the more things you do to recover the date, the less likely you will be able to recover it. so investigate a method and don't go on trying things |
| 13:14.55 | TriELs | microsoft got windows "just right" with the release of windows xp. |
| 13:15.34 | einand | first of all make a copy of your disk, then you can playaround |
| 13:15.40 | TriELs | <<< big microsoft windows fan. been using it since the 3.11 days. |
| 13:15.47 | stoned | zamuro, he wrote over? |
| 13:15.48 | stoned | ouch |
| 13:15.52 | davidisko | i did dd to image.. and trying to recover from it |
| 13:15.54 | einand | dd if=/dev/badsik of=/network/disk.img |
| 13:16.08 | TriELs | i bought my gf the new microsoft vista release. |
| 13:16.16 | einand | TriELs: why? |
| 13:16.22 | TriELs | for her bday. |
| 13:16.25 | stoned | Guy, please keep it on topic. |
| 13:16.27 | zamuro | stoned: That's what davidisko said, I'm affraid. |
| 13:16.28 | einand | TriELs: are the in to BDSM? |
| 13:16.30 | asg | probably looking to upgrade the gf |
| 13:16.31 | einand | she |
| 13:16.39 | davidisko | einand: now i need some good util to recover from it |
| 13:16.40 | stoned | Try ##windows |
| 13:16.52 | zamuro | turns on the Troll Alert |
| 13:17.04 | _2 | TriELs i used M$ windows 3.1 9x me 2k and even xp imo it's been going down hill sense the onset, and xp is worse than the 9x releases. but that's openion |
| 13:17.05 | TriELs | seriously, microsoft products make the best gifts. |
| 13:17.11 | TriELs | everyone uses them. |
| 13:17.14 | stoned | TriELs, stop. |
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| 13:17.40 | enouf | !shave TriELs |
| 13:17.46 | stoned | enouf, g'morning |
| 13:17.48 | zamuro | LOL |
| 13:18.03 | enouf | stoned: gezundhiet |
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| 13:18.18 | einand | davidisko: look at your pm --> |
| 13:18.31 | _2 | well i'm out for a bit |
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| 13:19.12 | stoned | I suppose I'll bake. |
| 13:19.29 | asg | stoned: you're always baked |
| 13:19.36 | stoned | ;) |
| 13:19.43 | stoned | asg, it helps me focus on debian support |
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| 13:19.55 | stoned | concentrate on problems and help fix them |
| 13:20.02 | asg | don't forget your Enter Key |
| 13:20.18 | stoned | oh no you didn't! |
| 13:20.34 | asg | someone has to, abrotman is stuck in an airport somewhere |
| 13:20.36 | TriELs | seriously. microsoft products make the best gifts. |
| 13:20.38 | stoned | runs after asg with a weed whacker... c'mere... I just wanna give you a haircut |
| 13:20.41 | TriELs | imo. |
| 13:20.51 | woden | If I move a partition /dev/sda4 to a different area of the hard drive, will it still boot without making changes to the grub or anything else? |
| 13:20.57 | TriELs | i never worry about what to buy anyone. i just pick up a new microsoft product at the local best buy. |
| 13:20.59 | asg | TriELs: please feel free to discuss such things in #debian-offtopic |
| 13:21.12 | mx-tvt | lol |
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| 13:21.51 | zamuro | woden: I guess you need to root your /boot partition to the right place on grub. |
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| 13:22.14 | stoned | !seen sng |
| 13:22.15 | dpkg | stoned: i haven't seen 'sng' |
| 13:22.15 | woden | zamuro: I do not have a /boot partition. |
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| 13:22.25 | asg | stoned: sng is in a special place |
| 13:22.31 | zamuro | woden: Well... whatever the /boot folder is. |
| 13:22.32 | stoned | asg, oh? |
| 13:22.44 | asg | stoned: not that special, just not a debian channel ;) |
| 13:22.48 | stoned | oh |
| 13:22.51 | stoned | whew. |
| 13:22.52 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:22.52 | woden | zamuro: But if it stays as /dev/sda4, then what would I need to change? |
| 13:23.54 | TriELs | bought my mechanic a new microsoft mouse for christmas. |
| 13:24.15 | zamuro | woden: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/restore-debian-linux-grub-boot-loader.html That would help |
| 13:24.54 | TriELs | i've never had someone unappreciative of a microsoft gift. |
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| 13:25.07 | TriELs | started giving exclusively microsoft gifts almost 6 years ago. |
| 13:25.23 | woden | zamuro: I don't think that really applies. I already have grub installed to the mbr and working fine. |
| 13:25.26 | ROKO__ | how to update my debian ?? |
| 13:25.29 | zamuro | TriELs: Enough. Stop ot! |
| 13:25.32 | ROKO__ | new source list ?? |
| 13:25.33 | zamuro | it** |
| 13:25.49 | zamuro | ROKO__: Explain... |
| 13:25.56 | ROKO__ | Linux 253-135 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 05:49:32 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:26.12 | asg | ROKO__: that's up to date |
| 13:26.18 | woden | ROKO__: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:26.24 | ROKO__ | have a problem with sound |
| 13:26.28 | zamuro | woden: If it works fine, then why trying to change it? |
| 13:27.05 | zamuro | I have a strong "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" policy. |
| 13:27.07 | woden | zamuro: That's not the question I have. I want to move /dev/sda4 to another location on the hard drive. |
| 13:27.26 | zamuro | woden: Then you need to let grub know you changed the location |
| 13:27.35 | woden | zamuro: Why, the device is still /dev/sda4. |
| 13:27.37 | zamuro | So the grub-install thingie does apply. |
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| 13:27.53 | TriELs | i find women these days don't like penetrative sex. |
| 13:27.54 | ROKO__ | have a problem with sound |
| 13:27.58 | dustybin | I really need to make that USB autosuspend is switched off on my debian system, if i do this: cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/level the first 2 entries say 'on' and the others say 'auto' what do those mean? |
| 13:27.58 | ROKO__ | and video driver |
| 13:28.14 | woden | !alsa |
| 13:28.15 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:28.21 | woden | ROKO__: ^ |
| 13:28.32 | ROKO__ | 253-135:/mnt/slackware/root# alsamixer |
| 13:28.32 | ROKO__ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 13:28.32 | ROKO__ | 253-135:/mnt/slackware/root# |
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| 13:28.48 | woden | #slackware |
| 13:28.52 | zamuro | #alsa |
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| 13:29.03 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 13:29.08 | stoned | seriously... |
| 13:29.10 | ROKO__ | i use debian in this moment |
| 13:29.24 | plaur | anyone here got SELinux working on Lenny? X won't start in enforcing mode... |
| 13:29.29 | TriELs | gf much prefers being licked to being penetrated |
| 13:29.32 | stoned | he is only mounting /mnt/slackware |
| 13:29.34 | TriELs | so that's what i do. |
| 13:29.45 | stoned | how is this indicating that he is using slackware? |
| 13:30.04 | woden | !alsa-checklist |
| 13:30.04 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 13:30.19 | TriELs | anyway, bought her the new vista os and have had my penis sucked a few times since. |
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| 13:30.40 | stoned | !ops TriELs is being obnoxious, dirty, filthy and keeps on trolling. |
| 13:30.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stoned complains about: TriELs is being obnoxious, dirty, filthy and keeps on trolling. |
| 13:31.06 | woden | zamuro: So, even though the device is the same (/dev/sda4), if I move it to another location on the hard drive, I have to make a change with grub configuration? |
| 13:31.07 | TriELs | !ops stoned is a bot |
| 13:31.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: triels complains about: stoned is a bot |
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| 13:31.17 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 13:31.19 | schme | TriELs: It's good to know you're the sort of guy that needs to give your gf stuff to get some. Yer so whipped, mate! |
| 13:31.35 | stoned | schme, #debian-offtopic |
| 13:31.44 | zamuro | schme: Stop it. Don't feed the troll.- |
| 13:32.08 | Skapare | anyone know if a group of .jigdo files (for downloading several DVD images with jigdo) can be combined in some way so that the jigsaw download makes one single larger image file? |
| 13:32.17 | schme | zamuro: I had no idea he was trolling, my bad. |
| 13:32.27 | dustybin | If you look at this output, and the position of my Hauppauge TV cards, would you say that USB autosuspend is switched off: http://paste.debian.net/24448/ |
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| 13:34.00 | stoned | dustybin, I might say so |
| 13:34.14 | stoned | dustybin, I guess thats what -1 is |
| 13:34.19 | dustybin | im pretty sure -1 means auto suspend is off |
| 13:34.25 | dustybin | yep i hope so |
| 13:34.43 | dustybin | and this means: /sys/bus/usb/devices/10-1/power/level:on |
| 13:34.53 | dustybin | the bus is on |
| 13:34.58 | dustybin | always |
| 13:35.49 | enouf | what's wrong with lsusb -v ? |
| 13:35.50 | Skapare | I guess not ... I'll try later |
| 13:36.11 | TriELs | schme, just talking about microsoft products making women happy. |
| 13:36.19 | stoned | Skapare, I have never used jigdo |
| 13:36.30 | stoned | Skapare, try #debian on irc.debian.org also |
| 13:36.41 | simonrvn | TriELs: why don't you shut up, or leave. |
| 13:36.58 | Skapare | stoned: I'm sure a lot of people haven't and/or don't need to ... I just figured it might be one way to do what I'm trying to do (long story) |
| 13:37.01 | stoned | simonrvn, he is here to troll that is why |
| 13:37.09 | schme | TriELs: Most women I know generally do not get happy about computer related gifts at all. ;) |
| 13:37.13 | simonrvn | duh |
| 13:37.17 | Skapare | stoned: I'll try over there later, too ... thanks |
| 13:37.24 | schme | TriELs: Actually that goes for most guys too. Funny. |
| 13:37.25 | dustybin | enouf: that doesnt tell you about the kernels usb autosuspend |
| 13:37.28 | TriELs | schme, have you tried buying them genuine microsoft pdocuts? |
| 13:37.41 | enouf | dustybin: well .. sdparm will :-) |
| 13:38.15 | stoned | simonrvn, please post another video for me |
| 13:38.19 | schme | TriELs: I have no idea what they would use 'em for, nor do they I am sure. |
| 13:38.29 | stoned | simonrvn, something informative about your ways |
| 13:38.34 | TriELs | schme, they like the brand name. |
| 13:38.35 | stoned | simonrvn, its been ages |
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| 13:38.43 | TriELs | schme, if you knew anything about women you'd know brands are important to them. |
| 13:38.47 | enouf | dustybin: http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html (older issue) |
| 13:38.59 | schme | TriELs: That makes no sense, mate. Most haven't even heard of microsoft. |
| 13:39.02 | stoned | are there no ops awake right now? |
| 13:39.11 | TriELs | schme, what are you talking about? |
| 13:39.13 | zamuro | *sighs* here we go... |
| 13:39.13 | stoned | schme, stop. |
| 13:39.16 | TriELs | WHO hasn't heard of microsoft? |
| 13:39.25 | stoned | !troll TriELs |
| 13:39.25 | schme | TriELs: I think you need to start hanging out with real people, and not the geek people. |
| 13:39.41 | zamuro | schme: Stop it! |
| 13:39.42 | dustybin | enouf: interesting |
| 13:39.47 | schme | zamuro: Huh? |
| 13:39.54 | TriELs | i've never met ANYONE not familiar with MICROSOFT, the biggest corporation on the planet. |
| 13:39.59 | zamuro | schme: Stop feeding the damn troll! |
| 13:40.13 | mx-tvt | why don't you all just ignore him? he doesn't annoy me at all. I kind of find it funny how everyone was so cooperative when he asked about haircut tips, but second he wrot microsft you all went paranoid. |
| 13:40.18 | schme | zamuro: I'm still not convinced he is trolling :) |
| 13:40.35 | dustybin | On my USB BUS, i have 2x TV Cards, and a USB Turtle Beach digital mini sound card, i am wondering if i am running out of bandwidth |
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| 13:40.41 | schme | TriELs: Well as I said. Meet some real people. Anyway I'm not allowed to talk to you no more says zamuro, so have a good one. |
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| 13:40.47 | zamuro | mx-tvt: Cuz haircut tips are actually a relevant issue :P |
| 13:40.48 | stoned | schme, eitherway this channel is not for Microsoft discussions |
| 13:40.58 | mx-tvt | xD |
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| 13:41.04 | schme | zamuro: There ya go mate :) |
| 13:41.06 | stoned | schme, TriELs please take it somewhere else |
| 13:41.15 | TriELs | look, i use debian linux myself, just like the rest of you. |
| 13:41.26 | zamuro | schme: It ain't just me. Several people asked you to drop it. |
| 13:41.31 | TriELs | i just find microsoft poducts make great gifts, especially to the women in my life. |
| 13:41.38 | mx-tvt | haha |
| 13:41.38 | TriELs | that's the point. nothing more. |
| 13:41.39 | TriELs | ok? |
| 13:41.46 | stoned | TriELs, this channel isn't for debian chit chat. It is only for actual support. You can chat about whatever in #debian-chat or #debian-offtopic |
| 13:41.53 | schme | zamuro: Hmm.. I've only seen you asking twice :) |
| 13:41.57 | stoned | !tell TriELs -about guidelines |
| 13:42.01 | mx-tvt | TriELs, don't forget the mechanic. he likes ms too |
| 13:42.14 | TriELs | mx-tvt, i bought him a new microsoft mouse and he was ecstatic. |
| 13:42.19 | zamuro | 09:09 < stoned:#debian> schme, stop. <-- Here... There's another one asking you to stop. |
| 13:42.24 | ROKO__ | how to turn off Xorg server |
| 13:42.24 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 13:42.32 | schme | zamuro: Oh ya. He's on ignore for being a troll though :) |
| 13:42.44 | stoned | ROKO__, how did you start it? |
| 13:42.45 | ROKO__ | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:42.48 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 13:42.50 | stoned | ROKO__, startx or a DM |
| 13:42.51 | schme | zamuro: But it dun matter :) |
| 13:42.58 | stoned | ROKO__, if yo have GDM that is correct |
| 13:43.01 | ROKO__ | how stop the xorg |
| 13:43.01 | TriELs | nothing wrong with a linuxer buying microsoft products as gifts. |
| 13:43.06 | mota | ..and you're hopping from channel to channel with that same speech? (just so you guys know, we asked him to drop it in ##windows, too) |
| 13:43.07 | ROKO__ | for install nvidia driver |
| 13:43.08 | TriELs | i have no shame for doing so. |
| 13:43.13 | TriELs | don't try to shame me for it either. |
| 13:43.33 | schme | mota: Oh that indeed confirms the troll theory :) |
| 13:43.42 | stoned | Please. Your offtopic chit chat is causing unnecceray traffic int he channel making it difficult to support #debian users |
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| 13:43.55 | stoned | Please be considerate. |
| 13:43.57 | TriELs | stoned, i am leaving anyway. i can't stand all the noise. |
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| 13:45.14 | |alfa | hello to all |
| 13:45.39 | stoned | |alfa, imagine 793 people saying hello back to you... |
| 13:45.54 | stoned | simultaneously... |
| 13:46.09 | |alfa | i have a question for you, do i need to buy a domain for virtualhosts? |
| 13:46.15 | stoned | yes |
| 13:46.23 | |alfa | for who? |
| 13:46.26 | stoned | for you |
| 13:46.40 | |alfa | for the server of the virts? |
| 13:46.44 | stoned | if you run your own server |
| 13:46.50 | stoned | then you don't need to buy |
| 13:47.00 | schme | |alfa: It depends on your use case. Maybe you do, maybe you do not. |
| 13:47.18 | stoned | what I do is like I go to dyndns.org and sign up for free account, I get an static ip to domain mapping, I pick a domain, any domain |
| 13:47.27 | stoned | like ws.podzone.org <-- I have |
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| 13:47.58 | stoned | I just go and make a virtual host in apache for /home/stoned/podzone/ to ws.podzoen.org in sites avialale, link em in sites enabled |
| 13:48.10 | TriELs | saving up to my gf the new microsoft office suite. |
| 13:48.11 | |alfa | stoned, i have this server running debian 4.0 with static ip |
| 13:48.12 | stoned | and voila, you can access my server with ws.podzone.org |
| 13:48.12 | einand | |alfa: no, services like no-ip.com lend you a domain name, like in my case einand.no-ip.com |
| 13:48.17 | schme | |alfa: If it is only intranet hosts you have no reason to bother with any of that. If it is internet hosting you might want to. |
| 13:48.19 | TriELs | for her bday. |
| 13:48.55 | einand | TriELs: why are you in this channel and tell us that you are going to buy microsoft products? |
| 13:49.05 | stoned | einand, he is trolling. please /ignore |
| 13:49.09 | schme | einand: We all agreed TriELs is a troll :) |
| 13:49.14 | einand | ok |
| 13:49.27 | schme | einand: One with very low pay too, it seems, seeing how he has to save up for that cheap software :) |
| 13:49.32 | TriELs | einand, it gives me a belly laugh. |
| 13:49.38 | einand | schme: thats true |
| 13:49.38 | stoned | schme, please. |
| 13:49.44 | stoned | stop. |
| 13:49.54 | stoned | !ot |
| 13:49.54 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 13:49.59 | TriELs | i am going to keep on buying more microsoft products, folks. |
| 13:50.01 | TriELs | you can't stop me. |
| 13:50.11 | JordiGH | ... |
| 13:50.18 | JordiGH | TriELs: Do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:50.18 | stoned | we are not trying to stop you, just stop talking about it here. |
| 13:50.24 | TriELs | already saving up for the latest office suite for my gf. |
| 13:50.26 | stoned | |alfa, do not /msg me |
| 13:50.30 | stoned | |alfa, please. |
| 13:50.35 | schme | |alfa: So a lot of the time you'd just set up some internal routing. Very good stuff :) |
| 13:50.45 | SerajewelKS | stoned: sunday on a friday, huh? |
| 13:50.58 | stoned | |alfa, nothing. Its free, just sign up. |
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| 13:51.06 | einand | TriELs: i'm glad for you. some MS products are realy good |
| 13:51.28 | stoned | |alfa, you need a working email address only afaik |
| 13:51.38 | SerajewelKS | einand: even the good ones are off-topic in #debian, usually anyway |
| 13:51.42 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 13:51.42 | TriELs | einand, there's something special about receiving a genuine piece of microsoft software, new in the box. |
| 13:51.42 | stoned | SerajewelKS, :( |
| 13:51.43 | JordiGH | !wwlr |
| 13:51.43 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not. Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 13:51.54 | einand | SerajewelKS: sorry |
| 13:52.01 | SerajewelKS | stoned: looks like you've got your hands full today :) |
| 13:52.14 | stoned | tokes. |
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| 13:52.27 | stoned | yup... gonna need some patience juice... |
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| 13:53.10 | nsadmin | coffee? |
| 13:53.39 | SerajewelKS | !fgi nsadmin define:toke |
| 13:53.39 | dpkg | nsadmin: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=define:toke |
| 13:53.48 | SerajewelKS | hides |
| 13:53.50 | |alfa | so, to clear this, i get a domain from the TDL for the server and after that for all virtualhosts i create? |
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| 13:54.01 | stoned | alturiak, uhm no |
| 13:54.22 | SerajewelKS | ooo nifty, fgi is in my org's "tasteless and offensive" web filter category |
| 13:54.28 | stoned | |alfa, go to dyndns.org sign up for a free account, pick a hostname and get yourself an static ip to domain mapping |
| 13:54.32 | |alfa | but why to register to mydns.com? |
| 13:54.37 | stoned | |alfa, then come back and I'll tell you what tho do |
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| 13:54.57 | |alfa | but i allready have a static ip |
| 13:54.58 | stoned | |alfa, you don't have to. If you own a domain name and run your own nameservers you're fine. |
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| 13:55.18 | SerajewelKS | i wish you didn't have to pay more for static ips |
| 13:55.27 | schme | You do? |
| 13:55.41 | schme | Well it's OT I guess ;) |
| 13:55.52 | stoned | |alfa, yes, but say for example they have podzone.org avialble. I can have ws.podzone.org go to virtual host ~/workspace, I have have porn.podzone.org go to ~/porn/ or music.podzone.org go to /var/music |
| 13:55.56 | stoned | whatever |
| 13:55.59 | nsadmin | |alfa: do you own a domain name and are name servers up which are authoritative over it? |
| 13:56.00 | SerajewelKS | schme: iirc on at&t dsl you do, you have to get business class dsl i think |
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| 13:56.13 | stoned | |alfa, on your same ip, you can make many virtual hosts by diff domain names |
| 13:56.15 | schme | SerajewelKS: Sounds like shit :) |
| 13:56.26 | SerajewelKS | schme: meh, it's loads better than crapcast |
| 13:56.38 | SerajewelKS | comcast is blocking all outbound port 22 these days |
| 13:56.38 | stoned | |alfa, you can have alfa.kicks-ass.org or alfa.is.dreaming.org or whatever man its cool go |
| 13:56.46 | schme | SerajewelKS: Never heard of either one, but I bet they're wonderful. Anyway this is all terribly OT :) |
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| 13:57.10 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 13:57.14 | dutchfish | you can host countless virtual hosted sites on any IP, but the question is: Is it allowed by your ISP |
| 13:57.21 | stoned | please join and chit chat away |
| 13:57.30 | |alfa | but isn't more easy to make virtuals like eth0:0 with internal ip routing throw localhost? |
| 13:57.37 | nsadmin | if this is going to be for a well-hit web site, you probably want to have it hosted and have pros handle the dns |
| 13:57.41 | stoned | dutchfish, my isp doenst block 80 or 25 |
| 13:57.45 | stoned | if they dont want it, they block it |
| 13:57.53 | stoned | if they dont' give a fuck, they don't give a fuck |
| 13:57.54 | stoned | simple |
| 13:58.07 | SerajewelKS | blocking inbound ports is tacky anyway |
| 13:58.11 | dutchfish | stoned, sure, but its in the small letters of your contract, if you ar allowed or not |
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| 13:58.16 | nsadmin | I guess you have to give a fuck to get a fuck |
| 13:58.21 | stoned | dutchfish, true, but no one reads the fine print |
| 13:58.28 | stoned | dutchfish, no one reads contracts, people just want internet |
| 13:58.43 | dutchfish | stoned, anyway, if blocked it is easy to go around |
| 13:58.58 | stoned | if blocked, then obviously you shouldn't try to get around |
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| 13:59.00 | stoned | :) |
| 13:59.13 | stoned | then you know they don't want you to fuck with it |
| 13:59.21 | dutchfish | stoned, so, its not technical issues, it is more like contractual prohibits |
| 13:59.21 | SerajewelKS | i don't know of a single isp that will drop you for hosting stuff like web servers. they drop you, they lose a paying customer, and it's not like you can use more bandwidth than you're buying anyway. |
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| 13:59.22 | stoned | if they don't block you can claim ignorance! |
| 13:59.29 | stoned | dutchfish, pretty much |
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| 13:59.38 | stoned | dutchfish, you can get around anything, as you obviously know |
| 13:59.45 | stoned | its more like if you should or shouldn't |
| 13:59.57 | dutchfish | stoned, bingo |
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| 14:00.05 | SerajewelKS | stoned: heh you should have seen me try to get past comcast outbound port 22 blocks last night. the only thing that worked was tor. |
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| 14:00.14 | stoned | ew |
| 14:00.21 | SerajewelKS | (theoretically an icmp tunnel would work since i had ping, but i was too lazy to set it up) |
| 14:00.28 | SerajewelKS | stoned: even openvpn on a high port was being filtered |
| 14:00.33 | schme | Well crazy OT people, go away, eh? ;) |
| 14:00.39 | stoned | you need a new isp |
| 14:00.48 | SerajewelKS | stoned: not my isp, thankfully |
| 14:00.49 | frunsk | i downloaded a .deb... how do i tell apt to automatically install its dependencies? |
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| 14:01.01 | stoned | use gdebi |
| 14:01.03 | stoned | !gdebi |
| 14:01.06 | asg | frunsk: dpkg -i it and then run apt-get -f install |
| 14:01.09 | SerajewelKS | stoned: at my fiancee's house |
| 14:01.16 | |alfa | thanks for the informations, i wish you a very Mary Christmas! |
| 14:01.21 | stoned | judd versions gdebi |
| 14:01.21 | judd | stoned: gdebi -- etch: 0.1.6 lenny: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1 sid: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1 |
| 14:01.26 | stoned | !+info gdebi |
| 14:01.27 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:01.28 | vipersniper | what is the command for "sftp -oPort=xxxx /how/to/enter/path/to/key/ nomae@domain.com" i can't figure it out :) |
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| 14:01.51 | SerajewelKS | stoned: dsl is a bit slower but i'll take unfiltered dsl over extremely filtered cable any day, thanks |
| 14:01.54 | stoned | slow ass bot |
| 14:01.57 | dpkg | gdebi: (Simple tool to install deb files), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.11debian1+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 14:02.03 | nsadmin | vipersniper: what do you mean |
| 14:02.08 | stoned | should be more descriptive |
| 14:02.08 | frunsk | asg, i did that but it tells me to remove the package i just installed... guess i don't have the required packages |
| 14:02.13 | vipersniper | i want to connect to sftp wit private key |
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| 14:02.13 | stoned | it automatically resolved dependencies |
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| 14:02.32 | asg | frunsk: or the dependancies are incorrect (i.e., you are trying to install a testing package on etch, etc.) |
| 14:02.46 | elvisfuentes | hi guys some body Know how can I use aqua Jigdo |
| 14:02.49 | nsadmin | vipersniper: you put the public key on the remote |
| 14:02.55 | vipersniper | ns admin, i want to connect to sftp with key pair |
| 14:03.07 | nsadmin | vipersniper: you put the public key on the remote |
| 14:03.08 | stoned | dpkg gdebi is a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi |
| 14:03.08 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 14:03.16 | vipersniper | nsadmin, i did that |
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| 14:03.39 | stoned | !tell frunsk -about gdebi |
| 14:03.55 | nsadmin | try ssh -vvv (that) |
| 14:04.09 | nsadmin | and see why it's not doing it |
| 14:04.11 | vipersniper | nsadmin, i need the command to connect to the sftp with, the full command |
| 14:04.45 | nsadmin | can you do it with ssh? |
| 14:05.03 | elvisfuentes | have you ever downloaded debian by jigdo |
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| 14:05.13 | SerajewelKS | vipersniper: if you have the key installed locally right you should just be able to 'sftp ...' |
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| 14:05.21 | nsadmin | also have you read man ssh and/or man scp and/or man sftp |
| 14:06.09 | stoned | only you need to generate a key and put it in .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the server |
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| 14:06.15 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS: I think he has the key installed somewhere other than the default/known location |
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| 14:06.45 | stoned | then you can ssh/sftp into the server with that host based auth key thingy majiggy |
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| 14:06.55 | nsadmin | vipersniper: to get the command, look at the man page |
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| 14:07.08 | stoned | you can use it for host based passworless sftp/ssh |
| 14:07.14 | stoned | its pretty cool and actually secure too |
| 14:07.41 | nsadmin | also note what stoned is saying, you have to have the public half of the key on the server in a specific place |
| 14:07.47 | vipersniper | nsadmin, , i can ssh -p xxxx -i /path/to/key noname@domain.com but that does not work for sftp |
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| 14:08.08 | vipersniper | sftp takes different options |
| 14:08.18 | dutchfish | anyone knows how to fix config bug in python-moinmoin (lenny) that prevents running its desktop setup? http://debian.pastebin.com/m2c4a6883 |
| 14:08.22 | nsadmin | then you'd need to find what they are |
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| 14:08.44 | vipersniper | nsadmin, thats why i came here :) |
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| 14:09.07 | stoned | you need to find out in manual of sftp |
| 14:10.07 | vipersniper | nsadmin, i have check ed the man but i don't know the option to insert the private key |
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| 14:10.28 | vipersniper | the -i does not work |
| 14:10.40 | vipersniper | with sftp |
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| 14:11.19 | nsadmin | why not use scp? |
| 14:11.29 | Ace2016_- | just wondering but any of you guys use sudo like ubuntu users do? and disable the root account? |
| 14:11.32 | vdette | Hi all, is it common to ivoke procmail by .forward on a Debian system? |
| 14:11.44 | stoned | Ace2016_-, I enable the root account and I use sudo |
| 14:11.45 | nsadmin | yes |
| 14:11.55 | Ace2016_- | stoned: what do you use sudo for? |
| 14:11.57 | stoned | Ace2016_-, in fact, I have no passwd global |
| 14:12.01 | stoned | Ace2016_-, everything |
| 14:12.09 | vipersniper | nsadmin, no worries, i will keep googling :0 |
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| 14:12.12 | nsadmin | well depends on what mail server you're running |
| 14:12.16 | stoned | if you break into my syste, you can do whatever you want |
| 14:12.17 | stoned | basically |
| 14:12.24 | stoned | but that will never happen so ;) |
| 14:12.25 | Ace2016_- | thats what i'm trying to avoid |
| 14:12.28 | asg | vdette: yes, that's one way. The other is to have your MTA invoke procmail directly on inbound deliveries. |
| 14:12.40 | nsadmin | vipersniper: I notice you found the -oPort xxxx |
| 14:13.18 | stoned | !harden |
| 14:13.18 | dpkg | well, harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 14:13.39 | vdette | nsadmin, just a fetchmail/procmail/mutt user-setup. |
| 14:13.45 | stoned | Ace2016_-, look there |
| 14:14.10 | vdette | asg, how does one do that? using fetchmail b.t.w. |
| 14:14.13 | stoned | Ace2016_-, sudo is fine, set the password timeout from 15 to disable to not have it remember passwords at all |
| 14:14.22 | stoned | Ace2016_-, also don't enable no passwd anywhere |
| 14:14.33 | stoned | Ace2016_-, use debian harden guide and you should be a lright |
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| 14:15.31 | asg | vdette: http://www.ilkertemir.com/document/fetchmail-procmail.html (many more hits on google. Also /usr/share/doc/procmail/* may have information) |
| 14:15.33 | Ace2016_- | stoned: thanks |
| 14:16.12 | stoned | yw |
| 14:16.35 | vdette | asg, thanks.. will check it out |
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| 14:17.07 | nsadmin | hmm, it's true, it looks like you can't specify the local key location... so his only bet is to put it in the appropriate place |
| 14:17.48 | stoned | if more people paid attention to the pothead they may realize that they can save valuable time. |
| 14:17.51 | stoned | :/ |
| 14:18.06 | nsadmin | vdette: so you don't have an MTA running at all? |
| 14:18.12 | stoned | This is my kung fu, and it is strong. |
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| 14:18.49 | vdette | nsadmin, just finished configurating fetchmail 10 mins ago ;) |
| 14:18.59 | stoned | thats not a word! |
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| 14:19.03 | stoned | configuring* |
| 14:19.09 | stoned | ;) |
| 14:19.13 | asg | stoned: fuk gun is an anagram for kung fu |
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| 14:19.22 | vdette | ah... |
| 14:19.25 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 14:19.26 | stoned | fuck guns |
| 14:19.29 | nsadmin | ku fung |
| 14:19.34 | stoned | hand to hand combat man |
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| 14:21.31 | schme | !ot |
| 14:21.31 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:21.44 | stoned | !spank schme |
| 14:21.45 | dpkg | bends schme over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 14:22.25 | EugenMayer | hello, Iam using exim. How to deny all email including string "FOO" by ACLs? |
| 14:22.40 | nsadmin | the mighty thwackegicer has struck again... |
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| 14:26.06 | nsadmin | EugenMayer: look into procmail |
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| 14:27.15 | asg | or SpamAssassin (esp if you want to look into the body content and attachments for keywords) |
| 14:27.53 | nsadmin | since he only wants FOO, that should be easy :) |
| 14:29.23 | schme | EugenMayer: You write a filter with "if $message_body contains "FOO" then ...." |
| 14:29.54 | schme | EugenMayer: And have it do whatever you do with your denied mail. |
| 14:30.34 | nsadmin | so far he hasn't said which mail he means... whether it's sent mail or received mail, and whether it's system-wide or just one user |
| 14:30.52 | schme | I assumed it was all mail going through exim. |
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| 14:31.29 | nsadmin | I guess he could configure procmail as the delivery agent and have a system-wide procmailrc |
| 14:31.52 | schme | It seems a bit of overkill to install procmail just to filter some mail though. |
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| 14:32.04 | sebbs | is there a commandline wireless tool around? |
| 14:32.08 | nsadmin | that's what procmail is for :) |
| 14:32.18 | sebbs | preferably ncurses, (i am not talking about iwconfig) |
| 14:32.19 | schme | nsadmin: That's also what exim filters are for. |
| 14:32.57 | schme | nsadmin: And I seem to remember procmail being intended for only incoming email ? |
| 14:33.06 | nsadmin | probably |
| 14:33.22 | nsadmin | and he still hasn't specified what he means |
| 14:33.45 | schme | Right. I'll keep assuming we're talking about all mail going through exim. |
| 14:34.20 | nsadmin | even so, procmail is fairly general and I suppose you could apply it more generally |
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| 14:34.35 | schme | Sure... it just seems a very... strange thing to do. |
| 14:35.05 | javi | hello |
| 14:35.11 | schme | It's what the exim filters are for anyway I mean ;) but sure.. you can filter it off to procmail and have that filter it again. |
| 14:35.14 | schme | Ehm.. |
| 14:35.18 | javi | can someone help me with one wacom issue? |
| 14:35.19 | nsadmin | stello |
| 14:35.28 | schme | I'll just go eat. |
| 14:36.01 | nsadmin | schme: meetoo... you get your domain thing figured out? |
| 14:36.18 | javi | anyone using a tablet pc? |
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| 14:36.53 | nsadmin | javi: ask your actual question, provide actual information... |
| 14:37.11 | javi | nsadmin: thank you, i'll explain |
| 14:37.11 | schme | nsadmin: My what? |
| 14:38.00 | nsadmin | not me... I'm coffeeing... but just ask, if you do that someone will probably figure out they know the answer\ |
| 14:38.16 | schme | Don't ask to ask :) |
| 14:38.40 | sebbs | javi: i am |
| 14:38.40 | nsadmin | schme: weren't you the one with a static ip and domains and stuff? |
| 14:38.41 | javi | I have a tablet pc (hp tx2620), and installed the wacom driver as stated in some forums (mainly ubuntu forums). it works, but xsetwacom doesn't detect anything, so I can't use it to rotate the screen |
| 14:38.43 | f00li5h | init |
| 14:38.48 | sebbs | i have a thinkpad X61 tablet |
| 14:38.57 | schme | nsadmin: Nope. |
| 14:39.21 | javi | i write: xsetwacom list |
| 14:39.27 | javi | but nothing happens |
| 14:39.35 | schme | :( |
| 14:39.58 | sebbs | is your xorg.conf setup proper? |
| 14:40.16 | nsadmin | oh it was |alfa |
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| 14:40.21 | javi | yes, in fact, puting the configuration in xorg.conf works |
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| 14:40.40 | javi | wacomcpl also doesn't work |
| 14:40.41 | sebbs | so what is the issue with rotation then |
| 14:41.12 | javi | sebbs i can't use xsetwacom to rotate the tablet |
| 14:41.22 | Hoxzer | Does somebody know wether or not it is possible to complie 2.6.28(-rc9) with gcc 4.3.2-1 I seem to get many errors when compliling with it (Got around 2 by disabling useless stuff) |
| 14:41.52 | dutchfish | javi, i dont know much about that packages, but is the user you use allowed too? |
| 14:41.52 | sebbs | ...but xsetwacom does not rotate the tablet |
| 14:42.01 | sebbs | xrandr does |
| 14:42.11 | sebbs | or do you mean the orientation of the stylus? |
| 14:42.11 | nsadmin | Hoxzer: read the README in the kernel source tree |
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| 14:42.16 | javi | dutchfish: I use root |
| 14:42.21 | javi | and |
| 14:42.24 | nsadmin | or Documentation/Changes |
| 14:42.30 | javi | the packages in debian are broken |
| 14:42.42 | javi | I had to install from sources |
| 14:42.47 | dutchfish | javi, broken??? |
| 14:43.07 | javi | dutchfish: didn't work in my system |
| 14:43.14 | nsadmin | broken packages in debian!??! -gasp- |
| 14:43.15 | javi | I had to install a newer version |
| 14:43.17 | dutchfish | javi, define did not work |
| 14:43.41 | nsadmin | define doesn't work either?! |
| 14:43.54 | javi | it install, but didn't work |
| 14:44.03 | javi | from sources it works |
| 14:44.24 | javi | anyway |
| 14:44.29 | nsadmin | javi: seriously... he needs to know the exact behavior |
| 14:44.38 | javi | anyone is having the same problem with xsetwacom? |
| 14:45.15 | nsadmin | you haven't specified the problem: "doesnn't work" contains no information |
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| 14:46.14 | javi | nsadmin: basically, the package in Debian doesn't contain the needen kernel module, and trying to install it unsing m-a don't compile |
| 14:46.52 | nsadmin | what module is needed? |
| 14:46.56 | javi | wacom |
| 14:47.21 | dutchfish | javi, what does /usr/bin/wacdump tells you? |
| 14:47.33 | sebbs | no xsetwacom works very well for me. |
| 14:48.02 | sebbs | never had any problems with it which did not originate from me not reading the documentation properly. |
| 14:48.08 | javi | dutchfish: what parameters do I need to put on? |
| 14:48.18 | dutchfish | javi, read the manpage of it |
| 14:48.43 | dutchfish | javi, i cant tell because i have not installed it on this system |
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| 14:49.21 | javi | dutchfish: i have to provide a device |
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| 14:49.55 | dutchfish | javi, you might also delve into /usr/bin/xidump |
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| 14:50.17 | javi | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
| 14:50.24 | dutchfish | javi, both are in wacom-tools |
| 14:50.45 | nsadmin | I never failed to not have non-problems which did not fail to ceace to originate from me failing to not procrastinate on reading the documentation! |
| 14:51.03 | dutchfish | nsadmin, bingo |
| 14:51.13 | nsadmin | wait, I think I failed to not get somethign wrong |
| 14:51.20 | javi | nsadmin: I read the documentation, but it says nothing about this issue |
| 14:51.45 | javi | if I put: xsetwacom list |
| 14:51.50 | javi | nothing happens |
| 14:51.59 | javi | it does not list any device |
| 14:52.12 | javi | but i can tell you that it is actually working |
| 14:52.19 | dutchfish | javi, what debian system you have and what kernel? |
| 14:52.23 | nsadmin | and probably that's because the module is missing? |
| 14:52.45 | javi | debian unstable, latest amd-64 kernel |
| 14:52.52 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 14:52.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 14:53.20 | dutchfish | javi, sorry, cant help you on that |
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| 14:53.51 | nsadmin | javi: what's the actual version of the kernel? (how can we tell what's latest since everything in unstable is a moving target) |
| 14:53.57 | javi | dutchfish: is it possible that it is an issue of the 64 bit kernel? |
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| 14:54.13 | javi | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 14:54.15 | dutchfish | javi, what kernel as nsadmin asked |
| 14:54.15 | jerkface | no |
| 14:54.20 | dutchfish | no |
| 14:54.31 | nsadmin | anything's possible |
| 14:54.39 | jerkface | no |
| 14:54.43 | dutchfish | at least unlikely |
| 14:54.46 | javi | dutchfish: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 14:55.20 | schme | ah fuck. |
| 14:55.23 | enouf | easy enough to test .. try another one |
| 14:55.25 | nsadmin | and in unstable it's more possible than in testing or especially stable |
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| 14:55.57 | dutchfish | javi, you can find out here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux-2.6.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=wacom |
| 14:57.08 | dutchfish | javi, but again my best bet it is in SID, i would suggest using stable/testing wherever you can |
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| 14:57.31 | jerkface | Christmas, Christmas, everyday is Christmas. When you drink a Santa Liquor. |
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| 14:58.12 | javi | thank you dutchfish |
| 14:58.23 | dutchfish | javi, yw |
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| 14:58.37 | javi | but it seems to be a linuxwacom issue, I'm going to contact them |
| 14:58.53 | dutchfish | javi, check BTS also |
| 14:59.04 | javi | what is BTS? |
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| 15:00.35 | dutchfish | javi, http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wacom-tools.html (you can start here) |
| 15:00.38 | earthian | Hello |
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| 15:07.37 | enouf | terrafirma earthian ...hola |
| 15:08.41 | mhymn | alien from earth! welcome to debianland!! |
| 15:08.50 | dutchfish | hey hola |
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| 15:09.38 | earthian | :) |
| 15:10.09 | khades | hey |
| 15:10.27 | earthian | I am having a problem with my debian etch router/gateway/dns/webserver/mailserver ... some pages do not load for computer insude the LAN (i.e. behind the router). |
| 15:10.31 | khades | will ardour be icluded in lennY? |
| 15:10.52 | earthian | inside* |
| 15:11.08 | mhymn | judd: versions ardour |
| 15:11.08 | judd | mhymn: ardour -- sid: 1:2.7.1-2 |
| 15:11.22 | asg | khades: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=ardour |
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| 15:14.17 | dutchfish | earthian, i this a dns issue or a routing issue? |
| 15:14.43 | earthian | probably routing as everything including the pages that do not load resolve correctly |
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| 15:14.58 | earthian | also only SOME pages do not load while all others load rapidly and ok |
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| 15:15.17 | earthian | i get no messages of packet drops or anything anywhere.. |
| 15:15.29 | sebbs | how does one "arrow up" and "arrow down" if one does not have those keys |
| 15:15.51 | dutchfish | earthian, be aware of browser cache, 2nd check connectity by ping IP, then use dig for chelcing your DNS |
| 15:16.08 | earthian | firefox inside LAN get "connection terminated while negotiating" |
| 15:16.11 | dutchfish | s/chelcing/checking |
| 15:16.20 | earthian | everything like dns, ping works perfectly |
| 15:16.26 | earthian | pings are no more than 60ms |
| 15:16.32 | khades | asg: tnx |
| 15:16.47 | enouf | earthian: examine using tcpdump or similar |
| 15:16.50 | earthian | also that is same on many browsers and many PCs |
| 15:16.54 | earthian | hm |
| 15:16.55 | earthian | ok |
| 15:17.18 | enouf | earthian: some pages |
| 15:17.24 | dutchfish | earthian, try: dig @[your dns servs ip] -t A [your fqdn of your webserver] |
| 15:17.29 | schme | Hmm.. is the ia64 install image broken? |
| 15:17.40 | enouf | earthian: "some pages"? is there any filtering or firewalling going on? Especially based on geoIP ? |
| 15:18.23 | enouf | sebbs: for? |
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| 15:18.42 | Element14 | earthian: i'm thinking maybe it's something to do with MSS (not that i understand the subject entirely) |
| 15:18.55 | enouf | sebbs: they do different things in different envs (shell , vs web browser, vs another app) |
| 15:19.23 | earthian | hm |
| 15:19.28 | enouf | schme: you own an iTanium CPU? |
| 15:19.41 | schme | enouf: Not personally, no. |
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| 15:19.53 | enouf | schme: well, that's what ia64 is for |
| 15:19.55 | earthian | all the websites work ok using lynx from the router while PCs inside lan with same lynx do not load.. |
| 15:20.06 | schme | enouf: Yes. How does this relate to my question? |
| 15:20.07 | earthian | so it seems to be a problem with the routing |
| 15:20.24 | dutchfish | earthian, do you access by IP or by name? |
| 15:20.25 | enouf | earthian: look in the router's filtering abilities, through it's web interface |
| 15:20.42 | earthian | enouf, its custom debian etch router |
| 15:20.50 | enouf | schme: well .. ever see a Pink Panther movie? |
| 15:21.00 | schme | enouf: I don't think so. Maybe :) |
| 15:21.17 | earthian | dutchfish, i access by both IP and name |
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| 15:21.36 | dutchfish | earthian, and both go wrong (sometimes)? |
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| 15:21.55 | earthian | both go wrong always with some websites, like for example skyscanner.net |
| 15:22.08 | earthian | or ibank,barclays.co.uk |
| 15:22.36 | enouf | schme: do you recall when Peter Sellers is walking a small dog and a passerby asks him "Does your dog bite"? and he replies; "No" .. then the passerby goes to pet the dog, and the dog bites the guy - and the guy says: "I thought you said your dog doesn't bite!" to wit; Peter sellers replies; "it's not my dog" |
| 15:22.36 | earthian | I am trying tcpdump now... maybe it will show me something |
| 15:22.49 | schme | enouf: Nope. |
| 15:22.55 | schme | enouf: But that's hillarious. |
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| 15:23.02 | enouf | schme: you're missing out on life son |
| 15:23.02 | Element14 | earthian: try searching about mss clamping. |
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| 15:23.26 | schme | enouf: Still we have tried grabbing the boot image 4 times and burnt 'em, and they seem not to be working. |
| 15:23.34 | Element14 | i've had similar issues before. |
| 15:23.38 | schme | enouf: Yes.. by not watching TV I miss out on life ;) |
| 15:23.51 | enouf | schme: they're not supposed to work on anything other than itanium-based systems |
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| 15:23.56 | earthian | Element14, ok thanks |
| 15:24.02 | schme | enouf: That is what we are trying to boot 'em on. |
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| 15:24.20 | enouf | schme: i said movie, not TV, and laughter is the best medicine - trust me on that one ;-) |
| 15:24.38 | schme | enouf: Yes. I have a lot of laughs, but thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 15:24.46 | enouf | schme: do you think i would've written all that if it wasn't funny? ;-) |
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| 15:25.02 | schme | enouf: Well I dunno. I see a lot of people on IRC writing a lot without it being funny ;) |
| 15:25.16 | enouf | schme: sure, and they're not i ;-) |
| 15:25.20 | javi | ey dutchfish nsadmin |
| 15:25.23 | schme | Good point! |
| 15:25.25 | javi | I resolved it |
| 15:25.31 | javi | the wacom |
| 15:25.41 | schme | Anyway. Can anyone confirm if it is in working order? |
| 15:26.21 | javi | it is a bug in xsetwacom, that it doesn't list devices if they are not named exactly "stylus", "touch" and "eraser" |
| 15:26.32 | javi | in xorg.conf |
| 15:27.13 | enouf | schme: hrm, is there a #debian-ia64 channel? tried irc.oftc.net? lists.debian.org? |
| 15:27.15 | dutchfish | javi, there you go |
| 15:27.29 | schme | enouf: No idea. I'll check that out, thanks mate! |
| 15:28.07 | javi | dutchfish: how can i configure bluetooth? It doesn't work by default |
| 15:28.31 | dutchfish | javi, sorry, i have not much expirience with that subject |
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| 15:29.03 | md22 | hello |
| 15:29.09 | enouf | earthian: both sites you mentioned resolve here ok - the latter resolves to https://ibank.barclays.co.uk/olb/h/LoginMember.do |
| 15:29.21 | earthian | yes |
| 15:29.21 | zaphands | Hello all! I just installed debian and I see only 3.2gb of memory instead 4. can anyone help? |
| 15:29.30 | javi | anyone can help to know what bluetooth device is the one I have instaled? |
| 15:29.38 | earthian | everything in barclays.co.uk loads except the host you mentioned. |
| 15:29.45 | enouf | javi: bluez-utils ? |
| 15:29.57 | dutchfish | zaphands, if your system supports 64bit install amd64 debian release |
| 15:30.04 | asg | zaphands: did you install a bigmem kernel? |
| 15:30.07 | enouf | javi: apt-get update && apt-cache search bluez |
| 15:30.20 | javi | enouf: i have instaled bluez, but doesn't work |
| 15:30.29 | enouf | hcitool? |
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| 15:30.34 | javi | i think i miss a module or something |
| 15:30.36 | enouf | javi: lshw? |
| 15:30.36 | zaphands | asg, no. how do I do that? |
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| 15:30.43 | Ryuuku]yayoi]era | good mrning all... |
| 15:30.45 | hoxu | zaphands, you may need PAE in 32bit kernel |
| 15:30.45 | nsadmin | zaphands when you do free you mean? |
| 15:30.48 | enouf | javi: load the needed modules then ;-) |
| 15:30.49 | asg | zaphands: apt-cache search bigmem |
| 15:30.58 | asg | zaphands: install one of the relevant kernels for your arch |
| 15:31.13 | enouf | zaphands: you want a -bigmem - dang asg beat me :-p |
| 15:31.14 | javi | hcitool didn't show up any device |
| 15:31.16 | zaphands | thanks. is it possible to compile my own kernel? |
| 15:31.26 | enouf | zaphands: ask linus :-p |
| 15:31.27 | nsadmin | absolutely |
| 15:31.28 | javi | enouf: do you know what devices are? |
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| 15:31.44 | enouf | javi: no idea mate - no bluetooth here |
| 15:31.44 | Ryuuku]yayoi]era | is there anyone here that uns Debian with Virtual PC? as soon as the OS is started, I get a screen like this(I can login btw, tho I have the same view in that screen): http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l370/Ryuuku_sh/12-26-2008_16-27-39.jpg |
| 15:31.49 | nsadmin | no question about it, you can build your own kernel, it's your choice |
| 15:32.08 | enouf | javi: install and try lshw, hwinfo, and dmesg | less .. etc |
| 15:32.15 | hoxu | !tell zaphands about k-p |
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| 15:32.21 | enouf | javi: lspci even perhaps ... not sure .. |
| 15:32.27 | nsadmin | also look into kernel-package, make-kpkg and make-kpkg --initrd |
| 15:32.39 | javi | enouf: why is not debian detecting it automatically? |
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| 15:33.01 | javi | isn't it supposed to load drivers automatically if the device is present? |
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| 15:33.08 | enouf | javi: i don't know - need a newer kernel? |
| 15:33.10 | nsadmin | not necessarily |
| 15:33.20 | javi | for example |
| 15:33.22 | SerajewelKS | javi: only if it knows what it is |
| 15:33.30 | javi | i have to manually load powernow-k8 |
| 15:33.36 | sts | hello folks. something messed my /etc/rc*.d/* files, is there a way how i can easily restore the softlinks? |
| 15:33.41 | enouf | javi: run update-pciids and update-usbids ? |
| 15:33.42 | javi | and bluetooth is not detected |
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| 15:33.59 | zaphands | how can I tell which modules I really need? I use fake/bios-raid but I couldn't make it work with my own kernel. Is there a tool to identify the used modules? |
| 15:34.04 | enouf | javi: you can add needed modules to /etc/modules - and various other ways |
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| 15:34.13 | nsadmin | javi: one thing at a time :P |
| 15:34.16 | SerajewelKS | javi: if your hardware is pretty new there may not even be drivers in the kernel yet |
| 15:34.21 | hoxu | sts, uhhuh, maybe try reinstalling the packages that are affected |
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| 15:34.31 | enouf | zaphands: you need dmraid support |
| 15:34.37 | javi | SerajewelKS: even for bluetooth? |
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| 15:34.55 | SerajewelKS | javi: sure, why not? a bluetooth receiver is another device, no? |
| 15:35.06 | cjzjm100 | I had installed some softwares by source or by a script like netsbean,They didnt prive uninstall,are there any softwares that can check softwares installed like that and uninstall? I want to know the list of softwares installed by source and where they installed.I know checkinstall,do it help for softwares installed by script like netsbean? |
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| 15:35.15 | enouf | zaphands: see linux-ata.org for more |
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| 15:35.33 | zaphands | Thanks everyone! |
| 15:35.41 | enouf | cjzjm100: you want to use stow perhaps |
| 15:35.48 | nsadmin | cjzjm100: generally no. if there's not an uninstaller, you have to do it by hand,,, and this is NOT recommended |
| 15:35.50 | javi | SerajewelKS: I have an HP TX2620, i think the device is there from some time, coming from TX1000 series of the latest years |
| 15:35.56 | enouf | or paco, or make sure your source comes with a make uninstall |
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| 15:35.58 | sts | hoxu: that doesn't work. mysql eg. fails because /etc/rc*.d/S*mysql* is no softlink anymore |
| 15:36.13 | enouf | !stow |
| 15:36.13 | dpkg | hmm... stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game. See the package "stow", http://www.gnu.org/software/stow or ask me about <stow usage>. Also ask me about <checkinstall>. |
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| 15:36.50 | nsadmin | perhaps even saving the output of make install so you see where everything is put |
| 15:37.04 | enouf | javi: you need the Device/ProductID to track down support |
| 15:37.09 | Enverex | Any ideas why the version of VirtualBox in Sid is so out of date? Seems odd (it's all the way back on 1.6.6 and 2.1.0 is out now) |
| 15:37.11 | nsadmin | that's the only general thing I can think of |
| 15:37.13 | SerajewelKS | javi: that looks like a fairly new model |
| 15:37.26 | javi | enouf: my question is: how do i know it? |
| 15:37.27 | hoxu | sts, what command exactly fails, and with what output? |
| 15:37.35 | enouf | Enverex: stuff in sid is being held due to lenny being frozen - backs everything up |
| 15:37.41 | mhymn | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 15:37.42 | judd | mhymn: virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 sid: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 experimental: 2.0.6-dfsg-1 |
| 15:37.45 | SerajewelKS | javi: lspci |
| 15:37.49 | enouf | s/stuff/some stuff |
| 15:37.57 | SerajewelKS | javi: if it's attached internally to a usb controller then try lsusb too |
| 15:38.12 | enouf | javi: i alreasdy told you how |
| 15:38.18 | Enverex | enouf, Hrm, that's annoying. Other than switching to experimental which seems like a bad idea, is there any way around it? |
| 15:38.34 | enouf | Enverex: backport it from experimental? |
| 15:38.44 | asg | Enverex: just download the deb from sun.com |
| 15:38.45 | zaphands | how do I ask the bot stuff? |
| 15:38.56 | SerajewelKS | zaphands: /msg dpkg ... |
| 15:38.56 | Enverex | enouf, I mean for everything as you said things in general are blocked up |
| 15:38.56 | enouf | or that, i guess |
| 15:39.03 | nsadmin | Enverex: ELazyMaintainer? |
| 15:39.10 | zaphands | SerajewelKS: Thanks. |
| 15:39.17 | enouf | Enverex: patience is a virtue? :-p |
| 15:39.17 | javi | enouf SerajewelKS: lspci didn't show up anything relate to bluetooth |
| 15:39.27 | nsadmin | zaphands: /msg dpkg help |
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| 15:39.35 | enouf | javi: i mentioned many other tools/utils |
| 15:39.36 | SerajewelKS | javi: try lsusb? |
| 15:39.38 | Enverex | enouf, Problem is it backs up and delays what I can do too... |
| 15:39.46 | enouf | !tell javi what |
| 15:39.51 | enouf | !tell javi what's my hardware |
| 15:40.04 | enouf | wtf? |
| 15:40.12 | nsadmin | if patience is a virtue, I'm not too virtual! |
| 15:40.15 | enouf | !what's my hardware |
| 15:40.15 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 15:40.22 | javi | lsusb didn't, too |
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| 15:41.00 | nick4 | I am running Testing and I am trying to apt-pin to get more recent versions of Pidgin and Deluge. But the updater sais I need to update packages like base. So I must be doing something wrong :-/ |
| 15:41.01 | enouf | javi: may i suggest a sledgehammer for your dongle? :-p |
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| 15:41.15 | javi | thanks dpkg |
| 15:41.15 | SerajewelKS | javi: is it a usb dongle? |
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| 15:41.33 | enouf | nick4: don't pin, backport |
| 15:42.04 | nick4 | enouf hmmm... you mean compile them? I'd like to avoid that |
| 15:42.12 | nsadmin | nick4: or find appropriate backports for your system |
| 15:42.17 | SerajewelKS | nick4: sounds like you might not actually be using testing |
| 15:42.21 | javi | SerajewelKS: no, it should be integrated |
| 15:42.28 | enouf | nick4: it's fairly straightforward on debian, using debian sources |
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| 15:42.37 | nick4 | wait a second |
| 15:42.39 | nsadmin | you just might have to try backporting yourself, but see what's there |
| 15:42.44 | nsadmin | second's up! |
| 15:43.21 | enouf | if he's already running testing, there won't be anything at backports.org for him, IINM |
| 15:43.24 | SerajewelKS | javi: use that lshw command and upload the html output somewhere so we can see |
| 15:43.35 | enouf | (although, some information) |
| 15:43.56 | nick4 | I am running testing, nicknamed Lenny |
| 15:44.18 | SerajewelKS | nick4: pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy pidgin' somewhere |
| 15:44.23 | nick4 | ok wait |
| 15:44.30 | enouf | judd: versions pidgin |
| 15:44.31 | judd | enouf: pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.4.3-4 sid: 2.4.3-4 experimental: 2.5.2-1 |
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| 15:44.54 | enouf | so - you're pulling from experimental? with pinning? |
| 15:45.02 | nick4 | apt-cache policy pidgin: http://pastebin.com/m756622d0 |
| 15:45.35 | nsadmin | jad bubu! |
| 15:45.44 | nsadmin | I mean bad juju! |
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| 15:45.54 | SerajewelKS | nick4: and what does it want to upgrade when you want to install the experimental one? |
| 15:45.55 | nick4 | I am pulling from experimental? I didn't knew, I thought I was trying to pull from unstable, sid |
| 15:46.23 | SerajewelKS | nick4: according to that output you don't even have experimental in your sources |
| 15:46.24 | nick4 | SerajewelKS well the updater comes up and sais there are 211 updates available |
| 15:46.24 | dutchfish | nsadmin, medicineman? |
| 15:46.41 | SerajewelKS | nick4: when was the last time you did package upgrades? |
| 15:46.47 | nsadmin | the thing about experimental packages... is they might not have all their packaging working yet |
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| 15:46.56 | nick4 | SerajewelKS never, I have the 2008-12-15 snapshot |
| 15:46.59 | enouf | and broken depends |
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| 15:47.29 | SerajewelKS | nick4: well 211 seems a bit high, but that means either lenny got a lot of updates since then or it means you didn't pin correctly. |
| 15:47.40 | craigevil | pidgin from exp works fine in sid, but from lenny it will probably pull in a lot of sid |
| 15:47.56 | SerajewelKS | nick4: i'm betting that it wants to upgrade everything to sid versions |
| 15:48.01 | nick4 | SerajewelKS I didn't pin correctly |
| 15:48.04 | nick4 | yes |
| 15:48.16 | nick4 | because when I remove the sid repos it goes back to 0 updates |
| 15:48.16 | nsadmin | then you'll have lid |
| 15:48.19 | SerajewelKS | !pinning |
| 15:48.19 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 15:48.23 | craigevil | SerajewelKS: not much difference between sid and lenny atm |
| 15:48.23 | SerajewelKS | nick4: read that ^^^ |
| 15:48.27 | nick4 | ok, wait |
| 15:48.31 | stoned | and why are we supporting experimental + sid ? |
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| 15:48.36 | stoned | let him figure it out. |
| 15:48.42 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: practically or by version? |
| 15:48.53 | enouf | stoned: boredom :-P |
| 15:48.55 | nsadmin | at least tell him why he should |
| 15:49.17 | craigevil | SerajewelKS: both sid hasnt had many updates since lenny froze |
| 15:49.36 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: shrug, i get a few a day |
| 15:49.52 | craigevil | same here but its a lot less than normal |
| 15:49.54 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: either way it sounds like 211 of his packages have newer versions in sid |
| 15:49.56 | nick4 | that's the document I read on the debian wiki. There are still thinkgs I dont understand so I think I am going to leave this for a later time when I have a better understanding of apt |
| 15:50.00 | Element14 | perhaps nick4 was doing it by apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get install pidgin |
| 15:50.00 | nsadmin | ubuntu had a good idea for their channel... they only supported a single version of ubuntu on one channel... others were on other irc channels |
| 15:50.07 | nick4 | ohhhhhhh |
| 15:50.12 | nick4 | you got me Element14 |
| 15:50.23 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: that's a terrible idea by and large |
| 15:50.23 | Element14 | well if you pinned correctly apt-get upgrade would work |
| 15:50.24 | nick4 | no, wait, apt-get update |
| 15:50.51 | enouf | nick4: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 15:50.51 | nick4 | after which the 211 updates wanted to install. But I didn't let them of course |
| 15:50.53 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: you segregate knowledge, people pay attention to some channels and not others, etc |
| 15:51.12 | SerajewelKS | nick4: yeah that's a pinning issue |
| 15:51.13 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS: at least then people wanting support for prereleases can get it and helpers aren't overwhelmed |
| 15:51.36 | craigevil | nick4: what does pidgin 2.5 have that the version in lenny doesnt? other than maybe facebook/myspace im |
| 15:51.38 | enouf | !sns |
| 15:51.38 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:51.39 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: or you could not release every five minutes, then one channel can actually work |
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| 15:51.53 | SerajewelKS | craigevil: facebook IM is in lenny |
| 15:51.54 | nick4 | craigevil yahoo-im doesn't connect. Thats pretty much it |
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| 15:52.44 | SerajewelKS | nick4: yahoo had issues for me recently too but it's connected right now on the lenny version |
| 15:52.54 | nick4 | I asked yesterday the Pidgin people and they said that they dont support Facebook IM. There is a third-party plugin for that and it crashes Pidgin a lot |
| 15:52.58 | SerajewelKS | nick4: so i don't think upgrading is the answer |
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| 15:53.22 | SerajewelKS | nick4: it used to yeah, most of those issues are patched now (it's been pretty reliable for me as of late{ |
| 15:53.27 | SerajewelKS | s/{/(/ |
| 15:53.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: heh, " could not release every five minutes," <-- hyperbole -> " could not release as often as i take a dump" :-P |
| 15:53.41 | nsadmin | nick4: then get your feet wet, find bugs and fix em |
| 15:53.41 | nick4 | Well it connected 50% of times. In my older distro 2.5.2 yahoo connected 99% of times |
| 15:53.44 | Zvpun | aptitude keeps track of automatically installed packages. Howto get a list of all _manual_ installed packages? |
| 15:53.50 | SerajewelKS | enouf: either one works :) |
| 15:54.11 | nick4 | nsadmin no, I am not a programmer |
| 15:54.31 | nsadmin | that never stopped a lot of people :P |
| 15:54.38 | SerajewelKS | !tell Zvpun about aptitude clone |
| 15:55.12 | nsadmin | you can at least find out how to document and report crashes |
| 15:55.16 | javi | i think my system doesn't have bluetooth |
| 15:55.23 | enouf | heh |
| 15:55.24 | SerajewelKS | nick4: if you're not a coder, then yeah, don't code, but don't use experimental either |
| 15:55.26 | javi | i do lshw | grep blue |
| 15:55.33 | javi | and nothing happens |
| 15:55.36 | SerajewelKS | javi: grep -i blue |
| 15:55.40 | enouf | grep -i ? |
| 15:55.45 | SerajewelKS | javi: unless the output is entirely lowercase |
| 15:55.55 | enouf | javi: run as root |
| 15:56.10 | nick4 | nsadmin no, the Pidgin people said I can upgrade to 2.5.x in which they fixed the problem. Which I did and it fixed the problem, but that was on my previous distro |
| 15:56.19 | enouf | hrm, systool is another seldom used - might be worthy here |
| 15:56.22 | javi | yeah, run as root and lshw | grep -i blue |
| 15:56.26 | javi | and nothing |
| 15:56.29 | javi | :( |
| 15:56.37 | nsadmin | nick4: try compiling it |
| 15:56.41 | enouf | javi: google system specs? on make/model? |
| 15:56.46 | SerajewelKS | nick4: so just backport it, or fetch the .deb from p.d.o and install it |
| 15:56.47 | nick4 | nsadmin yes, I guess that's the only way |
| 15:56.48 | nsadmin | if it's not backportable and not backported |
| 15:56.51 | craigevil | nick4: they assume you are using their package and not messing around with experimental |
| 15:56.54 | enouf | javi: BIOS issue? turn it on? |
| 15:56.56 | javi | enouf: going to do so now |
| 15:57.11 | nick4 | oh wait, I forgot to check their website for any deb packages |
| 15:57.33 | Zvpun | SerajewelKS: correct me if I am wrong, but that doesnt give a list consisting only of manually installed packages. |
| 15:57.39 | nsadmin | make sure you know what dist those deb packages are meant for |
| 15:58.03 | enouf | !info aptitude-doc-en |
| 15:58.12 | SerajewelKS | Zvpun: it sure does |
| 15:58.21 | SerajewelKS | Zvpun: run the first command without redirection |
| 15:58.22 | craigevil | nick4: you wont find .deb packages only source, and rpm |
| 15:58.32 | dpkg | aptitude-doc-en: (English manual for aptitude, a terminal-based package manager), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.4.11.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 356 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB |
| 15:58.36 | nick4 | yeah, unfortunatelly, compile then |
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| 15:58.52 | Zvpun | SerajewelKS: it sure does not, it gives a list of much more than manually installed packages. |
| 15:58.53 | nsadmin | it's not that hard :P |
| 15:59.01 | SerajewelKS | Zvpun: nope, it doesn't |
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| 15:59.12 | SerajewelKS | Zvpun: if it does then those packages are marked manually installed |
| 15:59.32 | enouf | awaits the pastebin shootout! |
| 15:59.36 | SerajewelKS | nick4: or get the experimental .deb from here and pray that the deps are in lenny: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/pidgin |
| 15:59.44 | Zvpun | SerajewelKS: I am very sure that I have not installed base-files or base-passwd manually. |
| 15:59.46 | nick4 | hah :D |
| 15:59.47 | nick4 | thanks |
| 16:00.11 | SerajewelKS | Zvpun: nope, the installer did, and it doesn't mark them at all, which aptitude assumes means manual |
| 16:00.14 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS: I thought that's what he originally did |
| 16:00.33 | Zvpun | SerajewelKS: I see. |
| 16:00.35 | SerajewelKS | Zvpun: view those packages in aptitude and you won't see an M by them |
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| 16:00.50 | enouf | Zvpun: ~pimportant and ~prequired are likely all those ... |
| 16:01.10 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: originally i think he was trying to pin and just doing it badly, not understanding what he was doing |
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| 16:01.18 | nsadmin | I'm pimportant! |
| 16:01.31 | enouf | nsadmin: he was attempting to use pinning |
| 16:02.10 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who has experience with setting up a SOCKS5 server? |
| 16:02.42 | nsadmin | !smart questions |
| 16:02.42 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 16:02.56 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 16:02.57 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: are you taking a poll? |
| 16:02.59 | javi | i cant believe it, this system doesn't have bluetooth |
| 16:03.01 | HardDisk_WP | No |
| 16:03.08 | HardDisk_WP | I just need someone to get me started. |
| 16:03.10 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'important|required' | sort | less |
| 16:03.16 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: google can do that |
| 16:03.28 | HardDisk_WP | dante-server doesn't accept any auth stuff |
| 16:03.34 | HardDisk_WP | it simply doesn't proxy anything |
| 16:03.43 | HardDisk_WP | hpsockd doesn't know any auth^^ |
| 16:03.44 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: ah, then you have an actual question :) try asking it intelligently |
| 16:03.53 | nsadmin | there's a blues tune called "I Can't Get Started"... just play it backwards! |
| 16:04.11 | HardDisk_WP | http://vmsoft-gbr.de/danted.conf |
| 16:04.19 | HardDisk_WP | What the 'ell is wrong in there?^^ |
| 16:05.23 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.com/m2e53fc07 happens when I try to access it |
| 16:05.33 | HardDisk_WP | freecap complains that the proxy dropped the connection |
| 16:05.42 | HardDisk_WP | but why does dante even block it? |
| 16:05.47 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, I do specify auth info |
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| 16:07.41 | HardDisk_WP | so, any idea what's going on? |
| 16:09.04 | nsadmin | perhaps your system logs show interesting stuff |
| 16:09.10 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, you are being snat/dnat - ed ? |
| 16:09.17 | Zvpun | SerajewelKS: I suppose marking the packages which the installer installed as auto is a bad idea? |
| 16:09.37 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, sorry what? |
| 16:09.43 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, I got a NAT in between me |
| 16:09.53 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, i meant snat/dnat |
| 16:09.53 | HardDisk_WP | but that's not a bind request |
| 16:09.59 | HardDisk_WP | what's that? |
| 16:11.21 | HardDisk_WP | and how could a nat affect this? |
| 16:11.28 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://linux-ip.net/html/nat-dnat.html section 5.7 9example) |
| 16:11.32 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, the socks connection is from client to socks server |
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| 16:11.58 | HardDisk_WP | oh, no idea what the fritzbox does |
| 16:12.07 | nsadmin | you mean the connection does not go thru the nat? |
| 16:12.09 | HardDisk_WP | it's a standard nat router, that's all I know |
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| 16:12.20 | HardDisk_WP | the socks server is NOT behind a NAT |
| 16:12.28 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, forget what i said |
| 16:12.37 | HardDisk_WP | the socks client (the 88.) IP is behind a NAT |
| 16:12.56 | nsadmin | so it does go thru a nat |
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| 16:14.28 | HardDisk_WP | nsadmin, yes. but that shouldn't affect the connection |
| 16:14.42 | HardDisk_WP | as the connection is not server->client but client->server |
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| 16:16.06 | Tekno | why do i have to firefox as root to get sound in flash videos |
| 16:16.12 | Tekno | which group do i have to belong |
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| 16:16.44 | asg | Tekno: the audio group |
| 16:16.59 | Tekno | what command for adding myself to audio group |
| 16:17.07 | asg | Tekno: adduser <user> <group> |
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| 16:17.33 | HardDisk_WP | Tekno, do not surf as root |
| 16:17.47 | Tekno | :( |
| 16:18.07 | Tekno | i just tested if i get sound with root user |
| 16:18.10 | Tekno | and i got |
| 16:18.27 | Zvpun | Tekno: after you add yourself to the audio group make sure to login again for the change to take affect. You can always check your groups by typing in "groups". |
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| 16:19.00 | Zvpun | Tekno: a good indication gives "cat /proc/asound/cards" |
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| 16:41.33 | kantor | hi |
| 16:41.44 | kantor | with which C macro could I check if IPv6 is supported on my system ? |
| 16:41.48 | kantor | or on a system |
| 16:42.09 | asg | kantor: try #c if nobody here knows |
| 16:42.39 | kantor | ok |
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| 16:46.05 | mentor | kantor: IPv6 support is runtime configurable |
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| 16:48.24 | mrglinux | can debian on cd install with text mode ? (or install wih any desktop ) ? |
| 16:49.16 | asg | mrglinux: yes ( and yes ) |
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| 16:49.46 | asg | mrglinux: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 17:16.13 | zaphands | Hello all! I dist-upgraded to unstable and now X won't start because of vesa_drv.so undefined symbol xf86GTFMode. Can anyone help? |
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| 17:16.56 | Element14 | !unstable |
| 17:16.56 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
| 17:17.19 | clodde | !alsa |
| 17:17.20 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>. #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:19.31 | zaphands | So what's experimental for? |
| 17:20.50 | Element14 | !experimental |
| 17:20.50 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 17:21.03 | earthian | zaphands, to completely break your system if unstable failed to do so :D |
| 17:21.25 | earthian | :) |
| 17:21.58 | clodde | !alsa-checklist |
| 17:21.58 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 17:22.23 | earthian | clodde, use /msg dpkg alsa-checklist or any other message |
| 17:22.42 | zaphands | is it possible to install packages from different repositories (testing, stable, unstable) at the same time? how? |
| 17:22.42 | clodde | ok sorry |
| 17:22.43 | cahoot | clodde: just install alsa-utils and run speaker-test t wav -c 2 |
| 17:22.57 | cahoot | clodde: err speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 17:23.01 | clodde | i suddenly lost sound and don't understand why |
| 17:23.02 | zaphands | I mean to select packages individually from each repository. |
| 17:23.23 | dvs | zaphands: Usually can't be done because of dependencies. |
| 17:23.29 | cahoot | clodde: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 in a terminal - error msg? |
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| 17:23.44 | clodde | no errors, snd modules still loaded |
| 17:24.01 | earthian | zaphands, if you want to install something new that is not present in your system, use sources and build them yourself |
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| 17:24.15 | cahoot | clodde: run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 17:24.44 | zaphands | is it possible to dist-downgrade? |
| 17:24.57 | dvs | zaphands: no |
| 17:24.57 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 17:24.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 17:25.00 | clodde | cahoot: speaker-test -t wav -c 2 --> no sound no error |
| 17:25.06 | earthian | i.e. I am about to do this with alsa-base v1.0.18 or 1.0.17 on my netbook because of mic not working correctly |
| 17:25.07 | cahoot | clodde: run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 17:25.17 | clodde | k |
| 17:25.50 | zaphands | ahh! so that's what I need downgrade the vesa_dev.so one version backwards. |
| 17:26.04 | zaphands | how can I find to which package it belongs? |
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| 17:26.16 | clodde | cahoot: i've run fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* , still no sound no errors |
| 17:26.40 | clodde | cahoot: should i re-login? |
| 17:26.43 | cahoot | clodde: did the output list any apps using the sounddevices? |
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| 17:27.27 | clodde | cahoot: the fuser command (which i don't know) didn't print anything |
| 17:27.58 | cahoot | clodde: try alsa force-reload |
| 17:28.00 | zaphands | how do I compile from source using debian tools? |
| 17:28.08 | cahoot | clodde: as root |
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| 17:28.20 | bobbuttons | when i remove something through 'apt-get remove' it removes only a few kbs and all the program's files are still there when i use 'whereis app'.. is this normal? |
| 17:28.29 | clodde | cahoot: sure |
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| 17:29.14 | clodde | cahoot: still no sound, i realize now i also lost the mixer icon near clock |
| 17:29.24 | Element14 | bobbuttons: might happen if you removed some dummy packages |
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| 17:29.35 | dvs | bobbuttons: yes. aptitude is a bit smarter and it remembers what packages in pulls in to satisfy dependencies. |
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| 17:29.40 | clodde | cahoot: i didnt upgrade or installed anything recently |
| 17:30.05 | bobbuttons | like.. i removed php4 and it removed 20Kbs and the files are all still there |
| 17:30.12 | clodde | cahoot: i already tried rebooting btw |
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| 17:30.18 | cahoot | clodde: alsa force-reload didn't error? try (as root) invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart |
| 17:30.38 | Element14 | php4 is a meta package |
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| 17:31.14 | Element14 | bobbuttons: try dpkg --get-selections | grep php |
| 17:31.19 | dustybin | is there a way to tail dmesg like you can tail a log file? |
| 17:31.27 | Element14 | the packages listed are probably the ones you really need to remove |
| 17:31.46 | clodde | cahoot: still no errors still no sound, of course i did that all as root |
| 17:32.21 | clodde | cahoot: sound works in windows btw, i got dual boot |
| 17:32.33 | cahoot | clodde: you don't happen to have an ~/.asoundrc present? |
| 17:32.33 | K_Sakura | clodde: Did you have oss-compat installed? And have you tried "apt-get --reinstall install oss-compat"? |
| 17:33.02 | bobbuttons | hm.. so it's like the 'gnome' package? it just "points" to other packages like gnome-desktop-environment but installs nothing "itself"? |
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| 17:34.06 | clodde | cahoot: i have that, tried reinstalling, no errors, no sound |
| 17:34.16 | cahoot | clodde: you don't happen to have an ~/.asoundrc present? |
| 17:34.26 | nsadmin | bobbuttons: those are called metapackages sometimes |
| 17:34.29 | clodde | checking |
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| 17:35.34 | clodde | cahoot: no ~/.asoundrc present here |
| 17:36.07 | cahoot | clodde: cat /proc/asound/cards - one and only one card? |
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| 17:36.21 | clodde | cahoot: mixer icon disappeared, maybe that should tell us something? |
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| 17:37.03 | clodde | exec cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:37.11 | cahoot | clodde: icons are secondary phenomena |
| 17:37.36 | clodde | cahoot: did you see that? |
| 17:37.41 | cahoot | no |
| 17:38.06 | clodde | 0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH5 |
| 17:38.06 | clodde | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.56 | clodde | cahoot: did you see the cat /proc/asound/cards output? |
| 17:39.08 | cahoot | yes - looks fine too |
| 17:39.35 | clodde | cahoot: i'll paste the lsmod somewhere if you're interested |
| 17:39.55 | cahoot | clodde: no alsa is loaded alright |
| 17:40.05 | clodde | cahoot: so what's wrong |
| 17:40.29 | clodde | cahoot: maybe mixer sound is set to 0? |
| 17:40.51 | cahoot | clodde: alsa-utils should have unmuted and set levels |
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| 17:42.05 | clodde | cahoot: i'm trying kaffeine, youtube, no sound...i'll check cables but it worked when i tried windows a few minutes ago |
| 17:42.52 | cahoot | clodde: run alsamixer and make sure it's not muted |
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| 17:44.46 | clodde | cahoot: checking alsamixer, trying to figure out how it works, just a minute |
| 17:45.23 | clodde | cahoot: Master [dB gain=0.00, 0.00] ?? is it all right? |
| 17:45.39 | juhk | hi i want to install azureus. but i want to use the sun java instead of downloading gcj and openjdk and whatnot... how can i do this? |
| 17:46.11 | dvs | juhk: apt-get install sun-java5 |
| 17:46.39 | juhk | dvs: sun-java6 is installed |
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| 17:47.00 | juhk | dvs: does azureus need 5? |
| 17:47.17 | cahoot | clodde: first see it's not muted i e 00 not MM at the bottom of master (or pcm) |
| 17:47.38 | cahoot | clodde: use m to toggle |
| 17:47.59 | cahoot | clodde: arrowkesy to set levels - to like 70-80% |
| 17:48.29 | mhymn | dvs: /msg dpkg java alternatives |
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| 17:49.13 | dvs | juhk: I'm not sure |
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| 17:49.30 | mhymn | oh sorry |
| 17:49.51 | juhk | dvs: the dependency in the package is openjdk-6-jre |
| 17:49.52 | juhk | hm |
| 17:50.00 | juhk | update-alternatives points to the sun stuff |
| 17:50.00 | juhk | hm |
| 17:50.06 | dvs | juhk: that's from sun |
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| 17:51.22 | juhk | dvs: hm i see... why is there an openjdk and a sun-java6-jdk |
| 17:51.27 | juhk | i'm kinda confused |
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| 17:51.34 | clodde | cahoot: http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsamixerto7.png |
| 17:51.43 | juhk | and why does he want to install gcj if the dependency is to openjdk |
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| 17:52.11 | dvs | juhk: ask Sun. The Sun package is the "official" Sun packages when the openjdk is the open source version. |
| 17:52.18 | dvs | I dunno. it confuses me too. |
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| 17:53.42 | error4o4 | what do you think of the combination postfix, dovecot pop3-imap, amavis clamav spamassassin. I think its ok but consuming about 80MB RAM which is too much for my 256MB VPS :/ |
| 17:53.53 | cahoot | clodde: unmute pcm see if it gives you sound |
| 17:53.54 | frojnd | Hello there. I can't play a .avi with smplayer. It says something that AC3 isn't supported yet. Am I missing codecs here or what else could it been ? http://pastebin.com/m51af33c2 |
| 17:53.56 | K_Sakura | clodde: That looks like the main sound channel is zero. PCM, IIRC should be higher. |
| 17:54.06 | mhymn | juhk: might help you: '/msg dpkg sunjava' and '/msg dpkg install java' |
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| 17:54.27 | Yamakiri{s} | how do I untar a file? |
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| 17:55.28 | K_Sakura | frojnd: [format] Sample format big-endian AC3 not yet supported appears to be your problem, I'd think. |
| 17:56.32 | juhk | mhymn: hm not really |
| 17:56.52 | frojnd | K_Sakura: my problem ? |
| 17:56.59 | frojnd | K_Sakura: like with codecs ? |
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| 17:57.11 | mrglinux | I installed debian lenny in text mod when I add cd on my drive and enter mount or apt-get install something I got hdb:timeout waiting for DMA |
| 17:57.11 | clodde | cahoot: unmuted pcm still no sound. also i tried reloading defaults in control center to no avail |
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| 17:57.18 | K_Sakura | Yamakiri{s}: "tar xf sample.tar", "tar xzf sample.tar.gz" (or .tzg), and "tar xjf sample.tar.bz2" etc. |
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| 17:57.33 | cahoot | clodde: unuted *and* set level? |
| 17:57.57 | earthian | So.. i had a problem of some pages not loading and other loading perfectly. Adjusting MTU did fix the problem. BUT why do I need to do this? What could be wrong with MTU 1500? (debian/etch kernel 2.6.18) ? |
| 17:57.59 | clodde | cahoot: yes, retrying now |
| 17:58.02 | mhymn | frojnd: what debian version? |
| 17:58.14 | frojnd | mhymn: latest |
| 17:58.26 | frojnd | mhymn: ok ... so smplayer isn't the issue :) |
| 17:58.29 | mhymn | frojnd: like: MPlayer dev-SVN-r27637-4.3-openSUSE Linux 11.0 ??? |
| 17:58.30 | frojnd | mhymn: problem solved |
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| 17:58.44 | cahoot | clodde: mute status is indicated by MM at the bottom - toggle to 00 with the M key |
| 17:58.55 | frojnd | mhymn: u got me there :) |
| 17:59.13 | Element14 | earthian: yay! my guess was right :) (but I have no idea why) |
| 17:59.50 | earthian | yes |
| 17:59.52 | K_Sakura | frojnd: mplayer is pretty much saying that it doesn't know how to handle Big-endian AC3 audio streams. Meaning that FF7F is 32,767, while 7FFF is 65407. (In little-endian, its the other way around.) |
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| 18:00.28 | earthian | also I have noticed that there is that etchnhalf kernel version 2.6.24 BUT there is no madwifi-modules-2.6.24!!! |
| 18:00.38 | earthian | in etch repositories! |
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| 18:00.58 | frojnd | K_Sakura: I'm aware of that... that's why I'm asking if it's codecs or anything else, VLC can play it but I hate vlc.. |
| 18:01.10 | Yamakiri{s} | thanks K_Sakura |
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| 18:01.25 | asteroid | hello. Where apt-get source coincoin put coincoin source please ? |
| 18:01.34 | clodde | cahoot: http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alsamixer2al0.png |
| 18:01.36 | asteroid | man does not tell it |
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| 18:03.12 | cahoot | clodde: looks ok - now run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 in a terminal |
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| 18:03.45 | K_Sakura | frojnd: Seems like a codec-like problem, so probably if you located where vlc's AC3-BE codec was, and put it in mplayer's codec directory/linked to that codec, mplayer should (possibly) be able to play it. |
| 18:03.56 | clodde | cahoot: it works! |
| 18:04.05 | clodde | cahoot: thanks a lot |
| 18:04.09 | cahoot | np |
| 18:04.25 | clodde | cahoot: so what was wrong? the pcm lever, right? |
| 18:04.44 | cahoot | muted too |
| 18:05.05 | clodde | cahoot: i didn't mute it, i'm sure about that |
| 18:05.18 | K_Sakura | If there's an option to save current settings, you probably want to use that. |
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| 18:05.33 | clodde | cahoot: mixer icon is still missing, how do i restore that please |
| 18:05.42 | simonrvn | sudo alsactl store |
| 18:06.05 | cahoot | clodde: right click on the panel and add? |
| 18:06.28 | clodde | cahoot: sure i didn't remember, i installed some time ago, thanks |
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| 18:06.39 | cahoot | clodde: btw what version of debian is this? |
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| 18:07.15 | clodde | cahoot: lenny here: Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 26 19:14:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:11.12 | Lovecraft | enouf: So, you survived my first salvo, but do you really beleive you can dodge the will of God when I unleash the might of the Gawdawful Koala Eucalyptus Farts on your pathetic ass? |
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| 18:15.17 | simonrvn | Lovecraft: which god? |
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| 18:15.35 | Lovecraft | Bob Dobbs |
| 18:16.31 | K_Sakura | sakura@Awkbox:~$ whois "Bob Dobbs" |
| 18:16.31 | K_Sakura | No whois server is known for this kind of object. |
| 18:16.50 | K_Sakura | couldn't resist. |
| 18:17.02 | simonrvn | K_Sakura++ |
| 18:18.15 | simonrvn | might as well add it to the bot |
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| 18:18.18 | simonrvn | !K_Sakura++ |
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| 18:20.05 | Lovecraft | Your puny attempts to garner approval from K_Sakura are revolting. <sneer> I curl my lips in your general direction. </sneer> |
| 18:21.28 | simonrvn | Lovecraft: whatever you're smoking, stop. it's killing your brain cells. |
| 18:21.57 | Lovecraft | I don' smoke it no mo'. |
| 18:22.06 | K_Sakura | What's <name>++? |
| 18:22.16 | simonrvn | !karma K_Sakura |
| 18:22.16 | dpkg | k_sakura has karma of 1 |
| 18:22.27 | Element14 | !karma Element14 |
| 18:22.27 | dpkg | element14 has neutral karma |
| 18:22.28 | K_Sakura | Ah. |
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| 18:23.03 | jhutchins | I need an installer that will recognise a Broadcom BCM5722 network card. |
| 18:23.06 | Lovecraft | Karmic charge in any polarity ties you to this plane; try for a net 0. |
| 18:23.29 | simonrvn | 's ignore list grows by one |
| 18:23.31 | jhutchins | Is there a way to find newer installers than the ones on the default "Getting Debian" link on debian.com? |
| 18:23.43 | cahoot | !kmuto |
| 18:23.43 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 18:23.46 | simonrvn | .com? |
| 18:23.52 | Lovecraft | simonrvn: Get over it and have some fun. |
| 18:24.02 | jhutchins | !etchnhalf |
| 18:24.02 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 18:24.13 | jhutchins | simonrvn: .org rather. |
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| 18:24.28 | Lovecraft | Now I can talk shit about simonrvn and he won't see it. |
| 18:25.08 | jhutchins | simonrvn: .com redirects to .org |
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| 18:25.35 | simonrvn | probably because of mistakes like that ;). |
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| 18:29.38 | nsadmin | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:29.38 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 18:31.00 | Ace2016_- | [64522.164388] ReiserFS: md3: warning: bad value "remount-ro" for option "errors" |
| 18:31.13 | Ace2016_- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.23 | Ace2016_- | whats wrong with errors=remount-ro??? |
| 18:31.25 | jhutchins | Being dense here, is 4.0r6 Etch or Lenny? |
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| 18:31.32 | simonrvn | etch |
| 18:31.36 | Lovecraft | Ace2016_-: remount,ro not remount-ro |
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| 18:32.54 | Ace2016_- | oh |
| 18:33.10 | Lovecraft | heh |
| 18:33.29 | patrikf | hey... any software recommendations for creating a picture slideshow? i.e. many pictures, some annotated with text... |
| 18:33.47 | patrikf | i'd rather not use Impress, but something more simplistic and more fit for the job :) |
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| 18:34.00 | lvh | !karma lvh |
| 18:34.00 | dpkg | lvh has neutral karma |
| 18:34.09 | lvh | Lies. Where did my old karma go? :-( |
| 18:34.17 | Ace2016_- | patrikf: open office impress |
| 18:34.23 | simonrvn | patrikf: igal2? |
| 18:34.33 | patrikf | Ace2016_-: did you read the second line? ;) |
| 18:34.39 | Ace2016_- | :( |
| 18:35.02 | Ace2016_- | ok what about a flash swf animation? |
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| 18:36.04 | patrikf | Ace2016_-: something opensource would be great, and something that runs without wine would be preferred. |
| 18:36.15 | Ace2016_- | ok well what about a pdf slideshow? |
| 18:36.15 | patrikf | simonrvn: having a look at it, thanks |
| 18:37.05 | patrikf | Ace2016_-: yeah, so what application would you use to create one? |
| 18:37.11 | simonrvn | it's to make a gallery, but that version has ajax, etc., and mentions slideshows in the description ;) hint hint |
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| 18:38.21 | cahoot | patrikf: feh? |
| 18:39.19 | cahoot | patrikf: the tools in imagemagick certainly can |
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| 18:39.41 | Element14 | patrikf: latex beamer? |
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| 18:39.54 | patrikf | Element14: yeah, that would be the last resort. heh. |
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| 18:40.02 | abbe | hi all |
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| 18:40.53 | abbe | I'm planning to port a package to Debian GNU/Linux "lenny". There are no releases of the package yet, so I've to use its git repo as the source |
| 18:40.53 | patrikf | I'm more looking for something that allows me to place text besides pictures, and makes this really easy (as I have a lot of pictures). |
| 18:41.32 | abbe | I've installed git-buildpackage and followed the instructions (about packaging from scratch) in its manual, but they fail at git-import-orig step |
| 18:41.59 | Ace2016_- | patrikf: hint, ooimpress can "export" |
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| 18:42.43 | patrikf | cahoot: feh does sound interesting, thanks! |
| 18:43.03 | patrikf | Ace2016_-: yeah, but impress won't make creating a slideshow of many pictures easy. |
| 18:43.47 | Ace2016_- | then use igal like simonrvn said |
| 18:43.48 | goauld | anyone knows how to deal with those jerky files impossible to copy/move over samba/network ???? |
| 18:43.50 | doublehp | i have existing raid on my disks, and LVM. How do i ask the net installer to create a new volume in the group ? I entered the manual partition disk menu, and, it only shows hard drives; it does not seem to scan and start RAID/LVM ... |
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| 18:44.41 | simonrvn | igal2 though. which is in sid only (but easy to backport, it's a script, some text files...) |
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| 18:45.47 | MrTimu_ | bandenname und passwort : NoCash |
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| 18:51.16 | doublehp | how do i manually tell the installer to use "my LVM" as root ? the partitioner does not offer me this option |
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| 18:51.22 | valdyn | doublehp: alt-f2, start the raid manually |
| 18:51.50 | simonrvn | ... effing pennergame BS again |
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| 18:52.40 | doublehp | valdyn: raid is started, but it did not find my LVM. I see md3 and md8 in the 2nd console, but not in the partitionner (1st problem), and, i dont see my LVM anby where ... |
| 18:52.59 | valdyn | doublehp: vgchange -ay starts lvm |
| 18:53.11 | fantomas | Hi all! Today I've finally got second monitor and connected it to my ATI graphic card (X1950GT). I read a manual on configuring Xorg to get two displays working and now I have them. Now is my question - what can do with all this? Currently I selected RightOf layout for secondary monitor, but is it possible to exploit configuration in more smarter way, like having 1-3 workspaces on primary while 4th on secondary always open? |
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| 18:53.48 | abbe | can anyone will help me with packaging git-based package ? or point me to correct place if I'm asking in wrong place |
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| 18:54.12 | valdyn | fantomas: you do already have 2 independent desktops by default unless xinerama is enabled |
| 18:54.38 | fantomas | valdyn: xinerama is enabled.. this was in a howto which I used |
| 18:54.54 | doublehp | valdyn: ,no group found ... i reboot and check witha l ive CD ... otherwise, how do i ask the installer t create a new VG on existing MD8 ? and, how do i say manually < this volume is your root> ? |
| 18:56.00 | fantomas | valdyn: I have currently 4 workspaces which shares both monitors... and the only way I found to place a window on the second display is to drug a window my mouse to the second display (to the right) :) |
| 18:56.02 | hoxu | !tell abbe about nmg |
| 18:56.08 | simonrvn | abbe: try #debian-mentors on otfc |
| 18:56.21 | simonrvn | abbe: oftc rather |
| 18:56.41 | abbe | hoxu, I know about NMG, and I'm following git-buildpackage's manual |
| 18:56.47 | abbe | thanks, simonrvn :) |
| 18:57.20 | doublehp | fantomas: do you want all 4 screens in the same work space ? |
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| 18:57.57 | goauld | i need to know why some crapy files doesnt get moved/copied over samba and gimme error please ? |
| 18:58.11 | doublehp | fantomas: in my conf, i got 4 screens in the same space: i can stretch a single windows over all of them (2560x2048 max ) ... i can give my conf |
| 18:58.26 | goauld | 2 debian, server and client so this is no understandable |
| 18:58.40 | fantomas | doublehp: I'm confused! What are screens and what are workspaces? :) I have 4 deskops (Alt 1,2,3,4) and two monitors :) |
| 18:58.57 | doublehp | goauld: simlinks and hard linnks may fail. Also consider files that you user dont have right to read, plus, failures to change permissions ... |
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| 18:59.33 | fantomas | doublehp: and think about having one monitor dedicated to say 4th desktop (result) while using main monitor for development |
| 18:59.40 | fantomas | and I think* |
| 19:00.17 | doublehp | fantomas: 4 CRT on the table, E17 over all, a windows can cover up to 2560x2048 ... and, each CRT has 8 virtual desktops ... under the same X process. The most difficult conf, would be to run 2 X with different processes .. what is not my cse. |
| 19:00.38 | goauld | double, nope the files are movies and i have root and even can watch movies over samba but if i try to move the file it gives error |
| 19:01.21 | goauld | maybe utf/filename thing, but i dont know how to fix that |
| 19:01.25 | doublehp | goauld: bad blocks ? |
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| 19:01.30 | goauld | no |
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| 19:01.49 | goauld | tthey are allrifht, the file names use á ñ and spanish punctuations |
| 19:02.49 | fantomas | doublehp: looks like I got different conf... but yours looks more like what I need. :) Please, show your xorg.conf ) |
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| 19:04.42 | fantomas | wants a driver which tracks eyes/head movements and alt-tabs when needed |
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| 19:05.08 | doublehp | valdyn: i did vgcrate and lvcreate on live CD; after reboot, lvs dont find them any more, is that normal ? |
| 19:05.17 | tremby | is there a way to find out what motherboard i have from the command line? also to find out how many memory modules out of how many slots? |
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| 19:06.06 | fantomas | doublehp: would you show me your conf? please |
| 19:06.18 | doublehp | fantomas: http://pastebin.com/m2cb1bef4 then E17 (few WM can really manage seperate physical screens over xinerama ) |
| 19:06.46 | doublehp | fantomas: i put for 1 month |
| 19:06.49 | fantomas | E17 is what btw? A window manager? |
| 19:07.28 | Eulex | a DE |
| 19:07.57 | simonrvn | !e17 |
| 19:07.57 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 19:08.20 | simonrvn | that's fricking old |
| 19:08.28 | doublehp | fantomas: a good window manager |
| 19:08.35 | Eulex | fantomas: xfce is supposed to be able to handle that well too |
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| 19:08.43 | Eulex | !dr17 |
| 19:08.43 | doublehp | fantomas: http://get-e.org/ |
| 19:08.43 | dpkg | [dr17] [DR17 debs] http://xsm.alphagemini.org/E17/ or debs are now available in experimental |
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| 19:09.22 | lostson | e16 is much faster and lighter |
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| 19:10.02 | lostson | you want ultimate light and fast use xmonad |
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| 19:11.09 | peteweez | Why won't VLC play encrypted DVDs after installing libdvdcss (nobody in #videolan is helping). |
| 19:12.07 | hrehf | hope it's okay to ask an ubuntu, but package/ java lib installation related problem in here.. #ubuntu doesn't seem to be able to help (ever ;)): i installed the cup ubuntu package, which is a program that should also install some java libs - the program runs fine, but when i try to compile the example code it generates, my java compiler complains about the libraries missing.. what do i do now? how do i find out if the libs got indeed insta |
| 19:12.40 | hrehf | judging from the cups svn, the package names are correct |
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| 19:16.03 | earthian | hrehf, dpkg -l | grep packagename |
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| 19:17.59 | hrehf | earthian: the package is indeed installed |
| 19:18.49 | doublehp | i found a bug in mdadm :'( (a second in fact ) :'( |
| 19:19.09 | earthian | :o |
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| 19:19.26 | goauld | is there some mplayer+vdapu .deb available ? |
| 19:19.52 | goauld | im too lazy to compile things 4 myself |
| 19:20.00 | hrehf | earthian: the program runs - but the generated sources don't compile, cause javac doesn't find the libraries that should come *with* the program :( |
| 19:20.29 | earthian | that sounds like a Ubuntu problem.. so probably a wrong place to ask :/ |
| 19:20.31 | doublehp | valdyn: do u use RAID/LVM often ? I think i found a bug, and, maybe you can help me fiding a WA for tonight |
| 19:20.32 | earthian | sorry |
| 19:20.39 | hrehf | hehe, no problem |
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| 19:20.42 | hrehf | thank you anyways |
| 19:20.48 | goauld | 4 those who doesnt know vdapu means FULL HD MKV video acceleration |
| 19:20.52 | goauld | xD |
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| 19:21.07 | earthian | !tell somebody about vdapu |
| 19:21.29 | earthian | ok... seems that the somebody is me :o |
| 19:21.30 | earthian | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'vdapu'. |
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| 19:22.15 | goauld | dpkg needs an upgrade |
| 19:22.15 | dpkg | wish i knew, goauld |
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| 19:22.31 | goauld | Vdapu is a HD video hardware decoder api for Nvidia, it provides a large subset of ... |
| 19:27.09 | earthian | :P |
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| 19:35.41 | fantomas | doublehp: |
| 19:36.11 | doublehp | fantomas: no, busy, and do out in 5 mn |
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| 19:36.20 | fantomas | doublehp: my X session crashed, lost all what you said - pastebin link & answers about E17 |
| 19:36.38 | doublehp | fantomas: dont your client log ? mine does |
| 19:36.59 | fantomas | doublehp: would you copy those lines in my private? thanks in advance :) |
| 19:37.02 | doublehp | (20:08:43) doublehp_f: fantomas: http://get-e.org/ |
| 19:37.02 | doublehp | (20:06:17) doublehp_f: fantomas: http://pastebin.com/m2cb1bef4 then E17 (few WM can really manage seperate physical screens over xinerama ) |
| 19:37.02 | doublehp | (20:06:46) doublehp_f: fantomas: i put for 1 month |
| 19:37.14 | doublehp | activate loging |
| 19:37.21 | fantomas | doublehp: well, I have no time to configure logs saving in irssi :) hehe |
| 19:37.40 | fantomas | doublehp: but its definitely right thing - logs are ) |
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| 19:38.33 | myeggo | hello |
| 19:38.43 | myeggo | samba does not works because it says that exists a firewall |
| 19:38.48 | myeggo | but i dont think i have installed that |
| 19:38.55 | myeggo | just viproxy and tor |
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| 19:38.58 | myeggo | can be that? |
| 19:40.13 | SQlvpapir | what chmod should init.d scripts have? |
| 19:40.56 | SQlvpapir | ah +x did the job |
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| 19:41.06 | earthian | SQlvpapir, 755 :) |
| 19:41.10 | earthian | and yes +x |
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| 19:44.44 | SQlvpapir | earthian: Im sure you can tell me how I can echo something in to the very last file of a document too |
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| 19:46.18 | shingouz | getting seriously annoyed here. for some reason when i went from xfce3 to xfce4 a while ago, something went wrong. X comes up nicely but for some reason i cannot move the windows. looks like the window manager (xfwm4) and session manager (xfce4-session) are running as planned. the strange thing is that i have another almost identical system and all the config files seem to be the same. the question is: wtf? |
| 19:46.28 | dios_mio | is there no pidgin for debian? |
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| 19:46.47 | shingouz | dios_mio: yes there is. apt-cache search pidgin |
| 19:46.49 | hoxu | fantomas, irssi logging -> http://irssi.org/documentation/startup#c8 |
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| 19:47.10 | fantomas | hoxu: thank you! |
| 19:47.38 | earthian | I am not sure if I understood what you wrote there |
| 19:47.41 | dios_mio | shingouz, apt-get install pidgin says it is not available or obsolete |
| 19:47.43 | SQlvpapir | ah echo sth >> file =) |
| 19:48.02 | shingouz | dios_mio: apt-get update && apt-get install pidgin |
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| 19:48.45 | dios_mio | shingouz, still the same.. maybe it is because I added "backports.org" to my apt source list to get flashplugin? |
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| 19:49.15 | lwolf | hi, i'm looking for a little help on debian lenny Xen: i'm stuck a cron.d lauch. According to : http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg578133.html , i am not the only one with this problem |
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| 19:49.17 | lwolf | ? |
| 19:49.22 | shingouz | dios_mio: could be. in anycase pidgin should be in debian |
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| 19:49.43 | dios_mio | shingouz, I am using a debian mirror in belgium.. maybe I should change that to the official one? how do I change? |
| 19:50.10 | hoxu | !sources.list |
| 19:50.11 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 19:51.12 | hoxu | dios_mio, if you can't work it out, show us your sources.list |
| 19:52.15 | dios_mio | hoxu, i just edited the sources.list and turned fpt.be.debian.org into ftp.debian.org,./.. but still it cant find pigdin |
| 19:52.35 | dios_mio | "package pidgin has no installation candidate" |
| 19:52.45 | hoxu | !tell dios_mio about paste |
| 19:52.56 | fantomas | Is E17 = Enlightenment? |
| 19:52.57 | dios_mio | hoxu, do you want the sources.list? |
| 19:53.08 | hoxu | dios_mio, yes |
| 19:53.24 | hoxu | hmm, pidgin is not in etch |
| 19:53.42 | hoxu | gaim is |
| 19:53.45 | dios_mio | hoxu, hmm ok |
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| 19:55.44 | fantomas | doublehp: can I use e16 instead of e17? Are they same enough? Will I get features for multiple displays with e16? |
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| 19:55.58 | fantomas | asking since there is e16 in repository |
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| 19:56.30 | iaindalton | how does one install and uninstall with aptitude on one line? I tried adding a minus to the package I want to remove but it doesn't work. |
| 19:56.44 | Tekno | hello |
| 19:56.57 | Tekno | i am missing window decorator |
| 19:57.06 | Tekno | how can i get it working |
| 19:57.47 | fantomas | is confused - how differs e16 and enlightenment? is the first extension of second? |
| 19:57.57 | rille | im looking for a gnu/linux dist to run on my old compaq laptop with 600mhz and 64mb ram, would debian be a good choise? |
| 19:58.08 | avu | fantomas, e16 is the 'codename' for enlightenment version 0.16 |
| 19:58.10 | lwolf | fantomas, e16 is enlightenment v16 |
| 19:58.16 | hoxu | iaindalton, I don't think you can, use the UI for that |
| 19:58.25 | lwolf | fantomas, you may be looking for e 17 beta |
| 19:58.26 | bzed | rille: I think a recent version of debian wouldn't work too well on that machine. |
| 19:58.37 | bzed | rille: damns small linux is my favourite in such cases |
| 19:58.42 | fantomas | lwolf: its not in repositroy though.. |
| 19:58.56 | fantomas | avu: lwolf: thanks for replies :) |
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| 19:59.06 | shingouz | rille: install more ram on it and you can run debian on it perfectly. you just have to be a bit careful about things like gnome or kde, they hog resources |
| 19:59.11 | iaindalton | hoxu: The manual says something about it; I just can't seem to make it work. I can't use the UI in a script; I guess I'll do it in two lines. |
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| 19:59.27 | lwolf | fantomas, hum, there is a live cd of etch that has e17 |
| 19:59.39 | stoned | /dev/sda6 9.3G 2.3G 6.6G 26% /home |
| 19:59.39 | stoned | /dev/sda2 185G 160G 16G 92% /home/stoned/Media |
| 19:59.39 | stoned | /dev/sdb2 215G 201G 2.9G 99% /home/stoned/Stuff |
| 19:59.49 | rille | bzed: i tried dsl but didnt seem to support opengl for my machine |
| 19:59.50 | stoned | oops |
| 19:59.53 | lwolf | fantomas, http://www.elivecd.org/ |
| 19:59.58 | lwolf | fantomas, this may help you |
| 20:00.05 | rille | shingouz: i dont have more ram, thats the problem hehe |
| 20:00.11 | stoned | I need more disk space |
| 20:00.16 | stoned | what do I do? |
| 20:00.28 | hoxu | iaindalton, what part of the manual? To me it seems you specify the command, and then parameters, and that's it |
| 20:00.47 | shingouz | rille: i am running xfce4 on debian sid with 128M of ram on 300MHz P2's here day in day out |
| 20:01.09 | iaindalton | under COMMAND-LINE ACTIONS |
| 20:02.03 | rille | shingouz: i think my lack of ram is the biggest problem, i couldn't even install ubuntu cli to it |
| 20:02.29 | shingouz | rille: ubuntu needs a lot of ram. try debian without lots of bling |
| 20:02.42 | clodde | cahoot: i thyink the muted pcm problem was due to realplayer installation from debian-multimedia. I tried purging and reinstalling and i had the same problem again after some time but i couldn't find out what triggered that. Maybe one also needs to play some unsupported or corrupted files to get that effect. |
| 20:03.23 | rille | shingouz: ubuntu cli doesnt have any bling that i know of, anyway, i can make it running if i update from older versions, its the installer that hangs, im afraid debian installer would also |
| 20:03.25 | cahoot | clodde: hmm - wonder how that connection would be |
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| 20:04.14 | clodde | cahoot: i'll try again, i'll tell you if i find more |
| 20:04.18 | fantomas | lwolf: hm, not sure. They distribute a live cd, while I need packages. I found a description on Ubuntu forums (i'm on ubuntu) which suggests downloading a magick script (easy_e17.sh) which does the job ) |
| 20:04.25 | hoxu | iaindalton, interesting. What was the command you tried that failed? |
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| 20:04.40 | shingouz | rille: ubuntu likes automagic things like discover and a host of other memory hogs... if nothing else works, use debootstrap to install. that means you need to hack some configs by hand though |
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| 20:05.41 | iaindalton | hoxu: sudo aptitudo install emacs-snapshot emacs22- |
| 20:05.41 | rille | i think ill try debian out |
| 20:05.41 | rille | trial and error =) |
| 20:05.51 | shingouz | rille: ...and debian is fully installtable on a 486 wirh 24M of ram with some hacking.... been there, done it and did not even get scarred |
| 20:05.54 | hoxu | iaindalton, that should install emacs-snapshot and remove emacs22- according to the manual |
| 20:06.08 | shingouz | damn i typo today |
| 20:06.10 | hoxu | iaindalton, if it doesn't work then perhaps there's some issue with dependencies |
| 20:07.03 | iaindalton | hoxu: it ignores the - and assumes I want to install emacs22, and since it's already installed, it does nothing about emacs22. |
| 20:08.18 | iaindalton | hoxu: try aptitude install pgkyoudonthave- and it'll offer to install it |
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| 20:09.20 | newsense | hey i got a zune mp3 player and no device node is being created for it, should i make a udev rule to create one or is there an easier mway ? |
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| 20:09.41 | newsense | i got enought info from sysfs for the device to create one but im not so farmiliar with udev |
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| 20:10.34 | cahoot | ms doesn't provide a howto? |
| 20:10.43 | newsense | i know |
| 20:10.51 | newsense | didnt know ms made it till i pluged it in |
| 20:10.53 | newsense | haha |
| 20:10.58 | newsense | christmas gift |
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| 20:17.03 | cahoot | newsense: http://svn.pardus.org.tr/pardus/2007/programming/libs/libmtp/files/libmtp.rules |
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| 20:17.42 | ROKO__ | how to run opengl in debian |
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| 20:17.59 | n3kl | Hey all |
| 20:19.17 | bit0 | happy Christmas :) |
| 20:19.26 | n3kl | If I setup a central ldap for auth, where do I cahnge the password? Can I do it on any of the clients so that I can still enforce a password policy? |
| 20:19.38 | n3kl | bit0: same |
| 20:19.54 | ROKO__ | how to run opengl in debian |
| 20:20.24 | n3kl | ROKO__: do you mean accelleration? |
| 20:20.39 | ROKO__ | i install nvidia driver |
| 20:20.45 | ROKO__ | but not opengl |
| 20:20.46 | ROKO__ | :{ |
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| 20:20.57 | ROKO__ | Could not load OpenGL library |
| 20:21.21 | n3kl | ROKO__: did you tell X to use the nviidia driver? |
| 20:22.41 | ROKO__ | ? |
| 20:22.42 | ROKO__ | how |
| 20:23.48 | n3kl | I think all you should have to do is open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add: Driver "nvidia" <- in the section for your video device |
| 20:24.14 | ROKO__ | Section "Device" |
| 20:24.15 | ROKO__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.15 | ROKO__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.15 | ROKO__ | EndSection |
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| 20:24.15 | n3kl | And *if* you have the driver installed properly, it should work |
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| 20:24.26 | n3kl | yeah, bout like that |
| 20:24.32 | n3kl | did you restart X? |
| 20:24.41 | ROKO__ | yes |
| 20:24.42 | ROKO__ | ... |
| 20:24.55 | Malf | ROKO__: Are there any messages about the nvidia module failing to load? |
| 20:25.53 | n3kl | Oh, do modprobe nvidia && lsmod | grep nvidia ; then restart X if all goes well |
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| 20:27.23 | Polizei | ROKO__, im here too :) |
| 20:27.29 | ROKO__ | Politics |
| 20:27.32 | ROKO__ | Polizei |
| 20:27.35 | ROKO__ | yep |
| 20:27.40 | ROKO__ | kak taka se sreshtame |
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| 20:28.07 | Polizei | What does `modprobe nvidia|lsmod|grep nvidia' says? |
| 20:28.18 | Polizei | damn... &&lsmod |
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| 20:32.39 | CharminTheMoose | How do I use find to find some files and then pipe the output to du? |
| 20:32.52 | CharminTheMoose | find . -name *foo* | ?? |
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| 20:33.17 | cheops09876 | hi, ive got through some tutorial about opendns but i still dont know how to stop it |
| 20:33.44 | hoxu | CharminTheMoose, find -print0 |xargs -0 command |
| 20:34.12 | cheops09876 | even erasing resolv.conf doesnt get me forward |
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| 20:34.37 | hoxu | cheops09876, "stop it"? |
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| 20:35.26 | hackislame | hi, how i can remove a packet from dpkg database ? (i cannot remove it with dpkg -r) |
| 20:35.49 | hoxu | hackislame, what does dpkg say? |
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| 20:36.02 | Macjust | How can i encrypt a password of 10 caracters for useradd command |
| 20:36.08 | cheops09876 | hoxu: yeah i want to wipe out opendns connection attempts |
| 20:36.11 | hackislame | rHR cairodock 1.6.3.1 Cairo Dock |
| 20:36.17 | Macjust | because crypt and openssl return only 8 caracters |
| 20:36.19 | hoxu | Macjust, don't use useradd, use adduser :P |
| 20:36.25 | Macjust | i can't use |
| 20:36.39 | newsense | heh zune doesnt work in linux :( |
| 20:36.48 | hackislame | i've make my self package, but i've make source by dpkg-deb and afer erase the packet |
| 20:36.52 | Macjust | this an shell file who create an user |
| 20:37.04 | hoxu | cheops09876, I don't understand, what tutorial have you followed? |
| 20:37.16 | Decepticon | where do i find detailed information on the system's name, os, and all that, similar to uname -a, but more detailed |
| 20:37.28 | hackislame | hoxu, dpkg tell me : you need to reinstall it |
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| 20:37.32 | cheops09876 | hoxu: the connection to resolver1.opendns.com |
| 20:37.42 | CharminTheMoose | thanks alot hoxu |
| 20:37.59 | cheops09876 | hoxu: their hp and some others... |
| 20:38.19 | hoxu | hackislame, if it's your own package you should clean up your own mess :P - tried reinstalling then? |
| 20:38.40 | cheops09876 | hoxu: but something is writing into my resolv.conf and i got no clue what it is , cause it started aut of the box |
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| 20:38.47 | mirak | hi |
| 20:38.49 | mirak | how can I know what options can take a module ? |
| 20:38.59 | cheops09876 | hoxu: in dreamlinux |
| 20:39.23 | Lovecraft | mirak: modinfo |
| 20:39.25 | hoxu | cheops09876, dreamlinux? Does it sound like deiban to you? |
| 20:39.35 | mirak | Lovecraft: thanks |
| 20:39.53 | hoxu | modinfo -p |
| 20:41.41 | hackislame | hoxu: i've erase this package and i the flem to remake it |
| 20:41.46 | cheops09876 | hoxu: no but it seems to use debian packages |
| 20:42.17 | xorl | this is bugging the crap out of me, it's like dbus in lenny is ignoring the conf files in /etc/dbus-1/system.d |
| 20:43.09 | xorl | ":1.20" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
| 20:43.12 | xorl | yummy error |
| 20:43.19 | cheops09876 | hoxu:of course it seems to be debian based |
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| 20:43.39 | hoxu | !debian based |
| 20:43.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:43.47 | JordiGH | How do you get debconf questions in Qt dialogs? |
| 20:43.52 | phorce1 | Decepticon: poke around in the files in /proc |
| 20:43.55 | hoxu | hackislame, you dug your own grave. If everything else fails you may have to mess with /var/lib/dpkg/status and remove the files by hand, but be sure to take backups ebforehand |
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| 20:44.13 | cheops09876 | ok im sorry |
| 20:44.17 | cheops09876 | seufz |
| 20:45.04 | hoxu | hackislame, dpkg -L <yourpackage> for files it installed, scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/ifno/ as you should know. Best of luck, remember to back up :P |
| 20:45.24 | hoxu | *info |
| 20:45.32 | hoxu | slow link... |
| 20:45.38 | JordiGH | Ah, found it. dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 20:45.55 | cheops09876 | hoxu , thanks though for investing zour time |
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| 20:46.23 | Macjust | any person for me ? |
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| 20:47.31 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 20:47.53 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to use mail commnado from console but I get the error -bash: mail: command not found |
| 20:47.59 | edwin_quijada | how can I install it? |
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| 20:48.07 | edwin_quijada | I have etch |
| 20:48.18 | cahoot | aptitude search mail? |
| 20:48.21 | phorce1 | hate it when OpenOffice has to be updated (Need to get 167MB of archives...) |
| 20:48.47 | edwin_quijada | cahoot: I try this. apt-cache search mail |
| 20:48.55 | edwin_quijada | but it doesnt appear |
| 20:48.58 | lostson | does not use open office |
| 20:49.02 | lostson | use abiword |
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| 20:49.30 | phorce1 | has to deal with win* based customers who use the not-so-open Office |
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| 20:49.56 | JordiGH | phorce1: Yeah.... binary diffs would be nice. :-( |
| 20:50.10 | cahoot | edward_: try mailx |
| 20:50.56 | cahoot | edwin_quijada: ^^ |
| 20:51.17 | JordiGH | !info bsdiff |
| 20:51.18 | dpkg | bsdiff: (generate/apply a patch between two binary files), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 20:51.21 | phorce1 | JordiGH: On this particular box I could keep sources for everything I run and compile with diffs faster than I pull large binaries across the net (lots of computers so I never get full bandwidth) |
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| 20:52.10 | JordiGH | phorce1: I doubt that compiling would be any faster... |
| 20:52.56 | hackislame | hoxu: very thans, happy christmas |
| 20:53.14 | phorce1 | JordiGH: I should test it one day but since I use aptitude for updates it's a bit pointless. Quad core with 4G of ram and some quick large drives. |
| 20:55.19 | Nielske | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
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| 20:56.11 | hackislame | hoxu: ni it's succefully working |
| 20:56.14 | mihkel | Hi |
| 20:56.36 | rille | does debian use sudo same way as ubuntu do? |
| 20:56.37 | mihkel | does apt-get and aptitude keep separate databases for installed packages? |
| 20:57.13 | patrikf | mihkel: no. |
| 20:57.32 | mihkel | they have the same database? |
| 20:57.34 | JordiGH | rille: Not by default. |
| 20:57.35 | mihkel | where is it |
| 20:57.58 | JordiGH | mihkel: They keep the same database, with conflicting interpretations of it. |
| 20:58.24 | JordiGH | mihkel: It's somewhere in /var.. /var/*/dpkg, I think |
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| 20:58.38 | mihkel | So... do I understand correctly |
| 20:59.02 | mihkel | I can apt-get install somepackages (and it installs a lot of depencys) |
| 20:59.25 | mihkel | aptitude remove somepackages (removes all previously installed depencys) |
| 21:00.40 | mihkel | as far as I know this should not work, hence I assume they keep separate databases |
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| 21:01.36 | phorce1 | miksuh: On Etch using both apt-get and aptitude is a bad idea. I think it's more error tolerant on Lenny but you should still choose one or the other to use. aptitude is now the 'official' package manager. |
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| 21:02.20 | phorce1 | oops ^^^ mihkel see above |
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| 21:03.03 | mihkel | phorce1, I know that. I just want to know do they have a separate databse :) |
| 21:03.26 | phorce1 | mihkel: no, they use the same database as noted above |
| 21:03.48 | phorce1 | mihkel: that's why it's a bad idea to use both |
| 21:05.10 | phorce1 | mihkel: they both use the files in /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 21:06.48 | mihkel | ok thanks |
| 21:09.56 | phorce1 | mihkel: and also the files in /var/lib/dpkg/ for current package status info. That's where the problem enters. dpkg is the actual package manager and aptitude/apt-get are only frontends for dpkg. So, they both read the same dpkg database but they interpret what they read in different ways. |
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| 21:12.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, I installed WinXP on a second hard drive (without the debian hard drive being connected), then connected the debian hard drive. How do I find out which device it is, and add it to GRUB? |
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| 21:13.11 | JordiGH | mihkel: They use the same database, but with differing interpretations of it. apt-get installs marks all the packages it installs as manually installed, so when you do aptitude remove, it won't remove those automatically installed packages, due to the conflicting interpretation (but this may have changed recently, as apt-get now has autoremove; not sure if it's in etch, though). |
| 21:13.15 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: well, which is your debian hard drive? :) |
| 21:13.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | sda |
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| 21:13.42 | cahoot_ | fdisk -l /dev/sdb? |
| 21:13.49 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: well chances are it'll be /dev/sdb then ;) |
| 21:13.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I have two external hard drives, too |
| 21:14.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | guess I should check fstab |
| 21:14.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | isn't awake |
| 21:14.24 | patrikf | or the partition tables, like cahoot_ suggests |
| 21:14.32 | cahoot_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | hmm |
| 21:14.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok, how do I add that to menu.lst? It uses kind of a different system (hd0), etc. |
| 21:15.29 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: realname /dev/disk/... |
| 21:15.38 | patrikf | that's just a symlink to the real device |
| 21:15.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2008-12-26 14:43 ata-SAMSUNG_HM080HI_S0KGJD0P502845-part1 -> ../../sdb1 |
| 21:16.50 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: if you don't have IDE harddisks, it should be (hd1) in grub |
| 21:16.50 | cahoot_ | symlink to ? |
| 21:16.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | patrikf: ok |
| 21:17.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | patrikf: What about mappings, chainloader etc? Been years since I last dualbooted with windows |
| 21:18.32 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, I think you have to map (hd0) (hd1) and vice-versa, then rootnoverify (hd1) and chainloader +1 (assuming MBR, otherwise specify partition) |
| 21:18.49 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: you can experiment a bit on the grub prompt (hit "c" at grub menu) |
| 21:18.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok, thanks |
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| 21:20.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll give it a try soon =) |
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| 21:21.11 | patrikf | Dark_Apostrophe: actually, I'm not sure whether the map thing will work out on windows xp, you might have to tinker with your C:\boot.ini instead |
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| 21:22.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | patrikf: This looks pretty similar to what I used to use back in the Fedora Core 2 days |
| 21:22.30 | patrikf | yeah, well, it's not distro-specific at all. |
| 21:22.38 | patrikf | ubuntu might have something graphical for this though. ;) |
| 21:22.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | meh, I don't like ubuntu. :p |
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| 21:28.42 | MisYogi | anybody can help me? |
| 21:28.52 | MisYogi | my debian show it: http://kiler129.dlk.pl/error.html |
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| 21:44.02 | Macjust | How can i encrypt a password of 10 caracters for useradd command |
| 21:44.05 | Macjust | because crypt and openssl return only 8 caracters |
| 21:44.15 | Alver | I'm seeing terrible network timeouts from the rt8169 module, which ruins all streaming applications |
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| 21:48.09 | format_c | using libcrypt |
| 21:48.36 | format_c | cp = crypt (clear, salt); |
| 21:48.48 | mirak | how can I change easily the daemon launch order ? |
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| 21:49.23 | dustybin | watching something compile is a bit like watching paint dry |
| 21:49.33 | format_c | Macjust, but salt has to begin with $1$ to make crypt use the advanced MD5 algorithm |
| 21:50.06 | format_c | Macjust, see also man 3 crypt |
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| 21:51.54 | earthian2 | Hello, does anybody know how to lift a limitation of 2M of attachment in squirrelmail? |
| 21:52.32 | mchelen | its either a sm setting or maybe php.ini |
| 21:52.43 | mchelen | it is in php right? |
| 21:53.09 | earthian2 | it is 2gig now |
| 21:53.18 | earthian2 | in php.ini |
| 21:53.33 | mchelen | tried editing that? |
| 21:53.42 | nighter | Macjust: useradd -p `perl -e 'print crypt("password", "salt")'` username |
| 21:53.47 | nighter | maybe like that? |
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| 21:54.23 | nighter | ah nevermind. |
| 21:54.23 | format_c | mchelen, you have to change two values in php.ini to adapt upload size |
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| 21:54.54 | Macjust | format_c : www:~# openssl passwd testererr |
| 21:54.54 | Macjust | Warning: truncating password to 8 characters |
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| 21:55.16 | earthian2 | hmm.. it seems that php.ini does not get 2G or 2048M as a valid value :S |
| 21:55.17 | earthian2 | thanks |
| 21:55.19 | mchelen | format_c, does squirrel mail depend on that? its what im suggesting for earthian2 to try |
| 21:55.28 | mchelen | what is the current value |
| 21:55.41 | format_c | mchelen, if squirrelmail uses php yes it does |
| 21:55.48 | xnixan | hi, how to move processes between ttys? |
| 21:56.25 | mchelen | format_c, there could be an attachment limit within squirrel mail admin settings |
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| 21:56.42 | mchelen | if php.ini is set to 2gb currently that worth trying to change though :) |
| 21:57.15 | format_c | mchelen, watch the upload_max_filesize and post_max_size value |
| 21:57.48 | Macjust | nighter : after 9 caracters this is always the same |
| 21:57.52 | mchelen | format_c, in php.ini or squirrel mail? |
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| 21:58.45 | format_c | php.ini |
| 21:58.50 | format_c | for apache webserver |
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| 22:00.08 | NOTOKAY | how can i install debian from another (possibly minimalistic) linux ? |
| 22:00.12 | xorl | man, this is bugging me |
| 22:00.23 | xorl | I am part of group disk, logged out logged back in and nautilus is still giving me |
| 22:00.42 | xorl | "Cannot mount volume. You are not privileged to mount this volume" |
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| 22:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mirak about rcconf |
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| 22:04.03 | hoschy | hi all |
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| 22:06.59 | mirak | CutMeOwnThroat: I used to use another one than sysvrcconf, it was with colors. however I did it with update-rc.d that's faster |
| 22:07.01 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 22:07.21 | HardDisk_WP | how do I properly set up PAM authentication with dante socks5 server, or another socks5-able server? |
| 22:08.09 | format_c | Macjust, # useradd -m -k /etc/skel -d /home/test -p `perl -e 'print crypt("testtesttest","\\$1\\$".time());'` test works and login with the long password too. |
| 22:09.02 | format_c | I don't know exactly the reason of this limitation |
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| 22:14.07 | Macjust | format_c : bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 22:16.13 | format_c | as you can see the command works on my box: http://paste.debian.net/24491/ |
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| 22:16.25 | format_c | Maybe something missed to be copied? |
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| 22:16.35 | Macjust | no |
| 22:17.12 | Macjust | i try this |
| 22:17.13 | Macjust | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.16 | Macjust | same problem |
| 22:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | not "no" |
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| 22:17.47 | format_c | no if you want to isolate the cipher you've to exec this: |
| 22:18.01 | format_c | perl -e 'print crypt("testtesttest","\\$1\\$".time());' |
| 22:18.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't get all the quotes |
| 22:18.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously |
| 22:18.28 | format_c | Macjust, it's a embedded perl oneliner |
| 22:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no unquoted ('s that bash could see in format_c's example |
| 22:18.30 | Macjust | i have take perl -e at the front |
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| 22:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | copy&paste |
| 22:19.32 | Macjust | Final $ should be \$ or $name at -e line 1, within string |
| 22:19.32 | Macjust | syntax error at -e line 1, near ","\\$1\\$"" |
| 22:19.32 | Macjust | Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. |
| 22:19.39 | Macjust | this an copy and paste |
| 22:19.46 | Macjust | :p |
| 22:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | copy it back in here |
| 22:19.56 | trifler | How do you check the length of a mediafile in mplayer? in minutes secs and so on |
| 22:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | press "o"? |
| 22:20.21 | Macjust | o ? |
| 22:20.26 | Macjust | www:~# perl -e 'print crypt("testtesttest","\\$1\\$".time());' |
| 22:20.26 | Macjust | Final $ should be \$ or $name at -e line 1, within string |
| 22:20.26 | Macjust | syntax error at -e line 1, near ","\\$1\\$"" |
| 22:20.26 | Macjust | Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors. |
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| 22:20.32 | format_c | Macjust, oh sorry |
| 22:20.34 | format_c | perl -e 'print crypt("testtesttest","\$1\$".time());' |
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| 22:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least for a video |
| 22:20.51 | format_c | should be used if it is not embedded in another bash command |
| 22:21.28 | NOTOKAY | how can i install debian from another (possibly minimalistic) linux ? |
| 22:21.45 | xorl | org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied : Refusing to mount device /dev/sdc1 for uid=1000 |
| 22:21.48 | xorl | bah humbug |
| 22:21.50 | xorl | sometimes, I hate hal |
| 22:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | trifler, actually, press o twice for the length |
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| 22:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | can still be incorrect if the video is lying (i.e. it's truncated) etc. |
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| 22:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | NOTOKAY, http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 22:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, is there a way to restore a previous iceweasel session? |
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| 22:26.32 | format_c | using session manager |
| 22:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I hit ctrl-Q while it started restoring my 100 windows... now there are only 2 |
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| 22:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used to use a plugin thingy for it... but stopped since most of the functionality is in the vanilla FF |
| 22:28.13 | format_c | Mhh I use the session manager menu under extras-menu |
| 22:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | extra? |
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| 22:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't have no extras not |
| 22:30.13 | Mazingaro | :( |
| 22:30.14 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:30.24 | Mazingaro | my 22'' lcd monitor blown up |
| 22:30.26 | Mazingaro | :( |
| 22:30.27 | dezza | Can anyone tell me why phpmyadmin is the ONLY dir which doesn't interpret it as PHP but gives me a DL-dialog instead? It's just a fresh setup and I have enabled PHP of course both root and subdirs can interpret php fine .. |
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| 22:30.35 | format_c | I'm using german UI |
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| 22:31.01 | format_c | don't know how its called in another UI |
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| 22:31.07 | shovi | hey i have lxde how do i install gnom |
| 22:31.11 | shovi | gnome |
| 22:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure that isn't an add-on |
| 22:31.20 | shovi | is it apt-get install gnome |
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| 22:31.31 | Titee | Good evening everyone. |
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| 22:31.55 | format_c | Mazingaro, wow and you can still write in IRC ? |
| 22:32.11 | Mazingaro | format_c: I'm on another machine |
| 22:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | format_c, he just can't read our relys :) |
| 22:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | reply |
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| 22:32.43 | Mazingaro | damned acer |
| 22:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | shovi, why don't you try it... |
| 22:33.02 | shovi | :( |
| 22:33.07 | shovi | why no helpo |
| 22:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | did help! |
| 22:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | gave moral support |
| 22:33.47 | format_c | CutMeOwnThroat, Mazingaro just kidding |
| 22:33.49 | shovi | is that a silly "yes" |
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| 22:34.21 | shovi | i have gdm |
| 22:34.37 | shovi | guess so |
| 22:34.47 | EightEleven | dezza: I have seen something similar before. It was a setting in apache.conf. |
| 22:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | format_c, what version of iceweasel was that? and are you sure that's not an add-on? |
| 22:35.31 | Titee | I am a newbie in Debian. |
| 22:35.36 | format_c | CutMeOwnThroat, it is |
| 22:35.40 | format_c | AFAIK |
| 22:35.44 | Titee | May i ask for help please ? |
| 22:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well... |
| 22:35.55 | format_c | Titee, just ask |
| 22:36.03 | Titee | Thank you. |
| 22:36.07 | Titee | Can someone give me a /etc/apt/sources.list file big enough and up to date with the way to recover the authentification keys and the priority (?) file suiting a Etch. Thank you in advance. |
| 22:36.37 | format_c | where did you copy this |
| 22:36.48 | format_c | did you prepare this? |
| 22:36.54 | Titee | yes |
| 22:37.07 | Titee | i typed it in advance. |
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| 22:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | format_c, interesting, there's a browser.history.showSessions value in about:config |
| 22:37.43 | format_c | What do you mean with authentication keys? |
| 22:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | the packages are signed |
| 22:38.14 | Titee | Public key avoiding error message when running apt |
| 22:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titee, can you paste your current sources.list into a pastebin? |
| 22:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch key |
| 22:38.26 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 22:38.47 | Titee | Yes where is the pastebin |
| 22:38.49 | Titee | ? |
| 22:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pastebin |
| 22:38.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 22:39.12 | Titee | ok i m trying. |
| 22:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titee, if the key is your only problem, the above commands for the keyring will be enough... |
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| 22:40.32 | dios_mio | how can i set the monitor power down settings in GNOME? |
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| 22:40.48 | lindenle | Hi I am looking for a binary nntp reader for linux , anmyone have a suggestion |
| 22:41.26 | Titee | !pastebin |
| 22:41.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 22:41.58 | phorce1 | dios_mio: for X? pan or knode |
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| 22:43.28 | Titee | here is my sources.list (pastebin)http://paste.debian.net/24497 |
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| 22:48.51 | Titee | (Please come back guys !) |
| 22:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titee, that should be ok for etch - just remove the cdrom line (or put a # in front of it) so that it doesn't look for the cdrom everytime. also, this is the french mirror, so it will probably lack packages that do encryption, as encrypted traffic is illegal in france afaik |
| 22:50.03 | enouf | ... |
| 22:50.33 | phorce1 | enouf: ,,, |
| 22:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titee, you perhaps also might want to add "non-free contrib" after main |
| 22:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, wazzup? |
| 22:50.45 | Titee | Yes but i wanted to add additional features to the system (VB, opera, nvidia drivers, more recent softwares..) |
| 22:51.06 | Titee | Yes. At the least. |
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| 22:52.18 | Titee | Just like on ubuntu but ubuntu doesn't works well at all. And debian does. |
| 22:52.31 | Titee | (work) |
| 22:52.45 | enouf | phorce1: happy ho ho ho ;-) |
| 22:52.49 | Tekno | what |
| 22:53.18 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the french don't allow encryption? |
| 22:53.40 | Titee | Yes we do. |
| 22:53.49 | enouf | !international data encryption algorithm |
| 22:53.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, international data encryption algorithm is a reasonably well tested encryption algorithm which supports 128 bit keys. |
| 22:55.24 | enouf | Titee: VB? |
| 22:55.35 | Titee | Could anyone give me (through paste.debian) a good sources.list and what should come with please ? |
| 22:55.42 | Titee | (VirtualBox) |
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| 22:55.48 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 22:55.48 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 22:55.57 | enouf | !security |
| 22:55.57 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 22:56.56 | enouf | !tell Titee -about mirrors |
| 22:57.05 | enouf | !tell Titee -about msgthebot |
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| 22:57.16 | erflynn | how do i ask the bot something |
| 22:57.32 | enouf | !tell Titee about topic |
| 22:57.58 | enouf | erflynn: /msg dpkg msgthebot |
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| 22:58.21 | Chewy | anyone khow how to enable SSL in apache(apt-get build)? |
| 22:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a separate package apache-ssl |
| 22:58.54 | enouf | Titee: if you said visual basic, i was ready to tear you a new one :-P |
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| 22:59.57 | Chewy | ok |
| 22:59.59 | Chewy | thanks |
| 23:00.04 | enouf | Titee: it's really intriguing the phrase you used to describe non-free binary blobs; "<Titee> Yes but i wanted to add additional features to the system (VB, opera, nvidia drivers, more recent softwares..)" |
| 23:00.06 | Chewy | er, for apache2 as well, yes? |
| 23:00.31 | enouf | Titee: "additional features"? lmao |
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| 23:01.30 | Titee | enof isaid hmm "Just like on ubuntu but ubuntu doesn't works well at all. And debian does." |
| 23:01.31 | enouf | Chewy: /msg dpkg grounding ; apt-get update ; apt-cache search libapache |
| 23:01.38 | zorrolero | Chewy: man a2enmod |
| 23:02.01 | Chewy | i enabled it |
| 23:02.03 | Chewy | it says cert too large |
| 23:02.08 | Chewy | not sure location of the cery |
| 23:02.12 | Chewy | config doesnt say |
| 23:02.15 | Chewy | i did locate .crt |
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| 23:02.17 | Chewy | didnt find any |
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| 23:02.37 | enouf | Titee: just because debian creates and makes available better pkgs of non-free doesn't make non-free CRAP any less evil |
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| 23:02.52 | enouf | Titee: and we give the user a choice |
| 23:03.56 | enouf | Chewy: apt-get build ...? or apt-build ..? explain more |
| 23:04.10 | Chewy | huh? |
| 23:04.11 | Chewy | i just did |
| 23:04.17 | Chewy | aen2mod ssl |
| 23:04.20 | Chewy | build a cert with openssl |
| 23:04.32 | Chewy | and i tried to axx it from the web, says cert too large. |
| 23:04.45 | enouf | Chewy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 ; uname -r ; cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:05.09 | enouf | Chewy: what the heck are you babbling about? |
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| 23:05.21 | Chewy | getting ssl to work with apache2 |
| 23:05.28 | enouf | no, explain |
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| 23:05.37 | Chewy | i did |
| 23:05.38 | Chewy | o.0 |
| 23:05.39 | enouf | Chewy: apt-get build ...? or apt-build ..? explain more |
| 23:05.48 | Chewy | apt-get install openssl |
| 23:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just plugged in an external cd drive... can it be that it didn't get a /dev/sd[a-g], but only uses /dev/sr0? |
| 23:05.52 | Chewy | aen2mod ssl |
| 23:05.56 | enouf | no, that's NOT build |
| 23:05.58 | Chewy | built a cert with openssl |
| 23:05.59 | Chewy | :\ |
| 23:06.01 | Chewy | I know.. |
| 23:06.03 | enouf | no no no |
| 23:06.21 | enouf | Chewy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 ; uname -r ; cat /etc/debian_version <-- pastebin |
| 23:06.23 | brianski | i'm emulating arm in qemu, and i need to specify the kernel and such directly b/c qemu doesn't know how to autoboot a cd on arm. does anyone know what the debian installer uses for init (or how to otherwise start the install process) ? |
| 23:06.51 | brianski | i can boot up to a busybox, no installer tho... is there an equivalent of freebsd's sysinstall? |
| 23:06.54 | Chewy | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1294161 |
| 23:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, they didn't quite some years ago (about 10?) but I don't think it has changed - and when some guy used the french debian mirror, he didn't get some (encryption related packages)... I think I checked back then and it's still outlawed... |
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| 23:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, now there's a government who isn't bashful about letting their citizens know it wants to spy on them :) |
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| 23:08.07 | noob31 | hi im having trouble getting flash player to play movies on certain sites any ideas? |
| 23:08.12 | enouf | brianski: i suggest the installation guide + http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
| 23:08.22 | noob31 | linux2, hey will |
| 23:08.30 | Titee | Thanks to all of you and for your answers. Have a nice evening. |
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| 23:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, hehe, just googled it, this looks like fun http://www.lomin.com/node/57 |
| 23:08.51 | dansushi | noob31: tim/matt/ |
| 23:08.52 | dansushi | ? |
| 23:09.03 | brianski | enouf: cool, i should be able to find what i need there. thanks |
| 23:09.22 | enouf | brianski: allow me to think a moment .. |
| 23:09.24 | noob31 | dansushi, sean on anne's computer |
| 23:09.28 | dansushi | oh... |
| 23:09.30 | dansushi | i see |
| 23:09.39 | noob31 | whats up |
| 23:09.50 | dansushi | not much... |
| 23:09.53 | Chewy | enouf: any ideas? |
| 23:09.55 | dansushi | lol |
| 23:10.01 | dansushi | so.. linux2's not here... |
| 23:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, seems they DO allow ssl now, albeit with crippled ultrashort keys |
| 23:10.21 | dansushi | why noob31? |
| 23:10.22 | noob31 | o well i have to go now too ill try later |
| 23:10.41 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the thing you might be thinking of is not being able to use too (certain strangths/ciphers) secure encryption abroad .. |
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| 23:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, no |
| 23:11.10 | enouf | Chewy: one moment |
| 23:11.13 | Chewy | ok |
| 23:11.13 | brianski | of course the other way to solve my problem is to find the error in this page: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu.php -- something about the root device is wrong |
| 23:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember that some time between ... 1995 and 2000 a friend of mine went to france - and he was "illegally" connecting to the unix machine in Germany, which only allowed connections per ssh out of security reasons |
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| 23:12.11 | enouf | Chewy: so Etch's libc6, and version, but a custom kernel? --> 2.6.18-92.1.13.el5.028stab059.3 |
| 23:12.31 | Chewy | enouf: VPS |
| 23:12.33 | Chewy | yea |
| 23:12.43 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 23:12.44 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1 |
| 23:12.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, seems this changed a bit around 1999: http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/01/15/france_to_end_severe_encryption/ |
| 23:12.57 | Chewy | enouf: sorry, gotta walk my dog brb |
| 23:12.57 | enouf | Chewy: ok - hang on |
| 23:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, "Until 1996 anyone wishing to encrypt any document had to first receive an official sanction or risk fines from F6000 to F500,000 ($1000 to $89,300) and a 2-6 month jail term." |
| 23:13.10 | enouf | heh .. literally :-P |
| 23:13.19 | enouf | brianski: now .. one sec |
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| 23:13.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "Right now, apart from a handful of exemptions, any unauthorised use of encryption software is illegal. " (the article is from 1999) |
| 23:14.34 | brianski | enouf: ok :-) |
| 23:14.41 | enouf | brianski: if you browse the cd, you can see the 'init' script in / of the cd .. |
| 23:14.55 | brianski | yep |
| 23:15.01 | brianski | if i run that it freezes waiting for the root file system |
| 23:15.10 | enouf | brianski: and the syslinux/isolinux dir |
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| 23:15.15 | brianski | so, it was already running init, i'm pretty sure |
| 23:15.17 | brianski | hmm |
| 23:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, so they changed that law in 1999 :) |
| 23:15.34 | enouf | brianski: that means a) either your disk controller isn't supported, or your FStype |
| 23:15.41 | enouf | er b) |
| 23:15.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... some guy used the .fr. repository and there was no apache-ssl or ssh or whatever (can't remember exactly) |
| 23:15.57 | brianski | enouf: doubt it's that, someone else wrote a howto and did fine this way... |
| 23:16.04 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for keeping up with my pentium II hardware :-P |
| 23:16.06 | brianski | maybe with an older kernel or so? |
| 23:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | pentiumII? |
| 23:16.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, you mean because my information is so up-to-date? :) |
| 23:16.42 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the dates coincide :-P |
| 23:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well... I positively know the French are crazy... I don't have to repeatedly check on it |
| 23:17.16 | enouf | brianski: wait, i missed some info you posted |
| 23:17.49 | brianski | enouf - this is an attempt to install on using arm emulation under qemu |
| 23:18.45 | enouf | brianski: i understand and i know nothing about either - though i've messed a bit with the installer |
| 23:19.01 | brianski | right on |
| 23:19.29 | jhutchins | What does Debian like to use for backup? |
| 23:19.41 | pipeline | all backup software blows |
| 23:19.50 | pipeline | bacula is marginally tolerable at best |
| 23:19.51 | jhutchins | ... backup to tape? |
| 23:19.56 | pipeline | most commercial solutions are no better than bacula |
| 23:20.00 | valdyn | jhutchins: whatever you want |
| 23:20.04 | jhutchins | pipeline: What do you think of amanda? |
| 23:20.04 | pipeline | tape is the only reasonable option for most people |
| 23:20.18 | pipeline | jhutchins: never used it; probably garbage |
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| 23:20.27 | pipeline | tape is cheap and reliable |
| 23:20.31 | pipeline | hard drives are cheap but not reliable |
| 23:20.32 | jhutchins | Actually, the best option for most people is backup to external HD. |
| 23:20.35 | pipeline | dvds are neither cheap nor reliable |
| 23:20.51 | jhutchins | pipeline: I'd agree with _relatively_ cheap. |
| 23:21.03 | pipeline | umm I guess for home users |
| 23:21.10 | pipeline | but I don't really spend my time worrying about home users |
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| 23:21.26 | mavhc | tapes are only useful if you want multiple historical backups and archives |
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| 23:21.56 | jhutchins | mavhc: Yeah, they have a slight advantage there, except for the reliability. |
| 23:22.00 | cast | mavhc: BS |
| 23:22.01 | pipeline | hard drives have a lousy shelf life |
| 23:22.11 | pipeline | tapes are cheap and often last for decades |
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| 23:22.30 | pipeline | the drives are expensive, but you don't buy drives very often... and the libraries to contain drives are quite inexpensive on ebay. |
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| 23:22.47 | jhutchins | pipeline: Um, "lousy shelf life"? |
| 23:23.07 | pipeline | jhutchins: hard drives aren't very reliable whether they're running or not :X |
| 23:23.26 | sylarr | if I move a script from /etc/init.d/myscript to /tmp/myscript and put a new script in init.d /etc/init.d/myscript will this new script be auto started as the old script? |
| 23:23.31 | pipeline | jhutchins: you can't write data, pull the drive, and count on it working in a year. That's a fool's bet. |
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| 23:23.43 | mavhc | of course 50% of tape backups are useless apparently |
| 23:23.44 | valdyn | sylarr: yes |
| 23:23.45 | enouf | brianski: there are quite a few tricks one can do with the installer - but generically; use alt-f4 to see messages and alt-f2 to start a sh |
| 23:23.45 | jhutchins | pipeline: Well, I'd say the same of tape. |
| 23:24.03 | sylarr | valdyn, so it is just by file name? |
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| 23:24.11 | valdyn | sylarr: umm, sure |
| 23:24.17 | pipeline | jhutchins: On the contrary. Once you've written the data to tape successfully, that tape is good for several years. Tape often lasts for decades. |
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| 23:24.20 | sylarr | k |
| 23:24.23 | jhutchins | I've seen many installations where the tape drive either never worked or failed in the first three months and the local users never knews. |
| 23:24.23 | brianski | enouf: oh wait i think i see the prob |
| 23:24.25 | sylarr | thanks valdyn |
| 23:24.26 | fantomas | hi all. I'm on Ubuntu 8.04 atm and think I'm having problems with Xorg. When I switch to 1st text console and /etc/init.d/gdm stop it takes some time until it prints [OK]. After that ps aux | grep X shows there are still 2 (two) X processes running. Is this normal situation? Then I do pkill -f X and the second (from two) X processes becames [defunct]. |
| 23:24.34 | pipeline | jhutchins: that is a separate and much more serious problem :) |
| 23:24.44 | jhutchins | pipeline: The problem is that your average PC backup tape doesn't have usable data on it. |
| 23:24.45 | valdyn | sylarr: why ask this question? you really want to understand how this works, not this useless detail |
| 23:24.49 | brianski | enouf: the installer hasn't loaded, so i can't alt-f* |
| 23:25.00 | pipeline | I wonder why we don't see hard drive robots to automatically rotate drives into slots etc the way I can buy a tape robot cheaply :) |
| 23:25.03 | brianski | but i think i have another lead here, so thanks anyway! |
| 23:25.17 | sylarr | valdyn, I upgrade some service |
| 23:25.25 | mavhc | anyway, unless you're spending $10k on a backup system, you're not going to use tape |
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| 23:25.38 | baf | hello |
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| 23:26.12 | mavhc | at least with virtual machines you can more easily test your backups are good |
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| 23:26.28 | fantomas | In other words, after stopping GDM should any of X continue running? And if not - what could be a reason it does that? |
| 23:26.36 | brianski | success! |
| 23:26.39 | brianski | thanks enouf! |
| 23:26.46 | valdyn | fantomas: it cant run when gdm is stopped |
| 23:26.49 | Chewy | back |
| 23:26.50 | Chewy | hmm |
| 23:26.56 | baf | please I am using etch and want to install only one app from atch-backport. I definitely do not want to upgrade all packages. What is the most transparent process? |
| 23:26.56 | brianski | i think the install procedure is significantly different on non-x86, but i appreciate the help nonetheless |
| 23:27.01 | valdyn | fantomas: because gdm is the parent process |
| 23:27.01 | Chewy | does anyone know the location for the .crt for SSL in apache? :X |
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| 23:27.04 | sylarr | valdyn, I just wonder if the update-rc.d myapp start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 . command does it by the file name or maybe it has a symlink / hardlink to the real file |
| 23:27.10 | baf | (etch-backports) |
| 23:27.25 | fantomas | valdyn: thanks, thats what afraid of. This means system somehow goes wrong... Ubuntu issue, is it? |
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| 23:27.39 | jhutchins | pipeline: Article from Security Wire Digest discussing what crap tape backup is: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid14_gci959858,00.html |
| 23:27.40 | valdyn | sylarr: /etc/rc*.d contain the symlinks |
| 23:27.49 | jhutchins | Anyway, I was looking for software, not hardware advice. |
| 23:27.50 | valdyn | fantomas: need specifics |
| 23:28.04 | stoned | hey |
| 23:28.06 | stoned | whats up guys |
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| 23:28.15 | fantomas | valdyn: I'd gladly take it. What additional info should i collect? |
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| 23:28.47 | valdyn | fantomas: mm, maybe the output of "pstree" on a paste site |
| 23:28.58 | alexbodn | hello friends, what could deconfigure a network interface debian wrapper only? |
| 23:29.14 | stoned | deconfigure? |
| 23:29.25 | valdyn | !paste |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:29.26 | sylarr | valdyn, k |
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| 23:29.42 | valdyn | !sysvrc |
| 23:29.45 | valdyn | !sysv |
| 23:29.45 | sylarr | valdyn, symlinks work by pathnames? or inodes? |
| 23:29.45 | dpkg | i heard sysv is dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 23:29.57 | Polarina | "The filename "list.h" indicates that this file is of type "h document". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "C source code". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.". |
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| 23:30.03 | Polarina | How do I get rid of that crap? |
| 23:30.06 | valdyn | sylarr: symlinks work by file names |
| 23:30.11 | sylarr | k |
| 23:30.19 | sylarr | then it wil be ok |
| 23:30.39 | valdyn | sylarr: relative or absolute paths to the file |
| 23:30.43 | fantomas | valdyn: thanks for advice. Later I'll check it. |
| 23:30.53 | alexbodn | stoned: yes, i am setting dns-nameservers with this tunnel interface, and only those are being lost. also, if i'm trying to ifdown it, it saya it's not configured |
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| 23:31.12 | sylarr | valdyn, in rc*.d it is relative I see |
| 23:31.22 | alexbodn | stoned: but the ppp0 itself is still up |
| 23:31.30 | stoned | alexbodn, oh I dunno anything about that |
| 23:31.39 | stoned | alexbodn, but I think you mean reconfigure not deconfigure |
| 23:31.42 | stoned | maybe... :) |
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| 23:32.04 | alexbodn | stoned: unconfigure |
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| 23:32.07 | stoned | oh |
| 23:32.12 | stoned | oh your settings are being lost? |
| 23:32.12 | Polarina | Anyone? |
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| 23:32.35 | CheeToS | is it possible to install etch over ssh without a keyboard or am I searching for bigfoot? I've already got it booting the installer from a usb drive |
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| 23:32.59 | CheeToS | I've read a little about network-console but it sounds to be incomplete |
| 23:33.06 | alexbodn | Polarina: Anyone what? |
| 23:33.38 | Polarina | alexbodn: "The filename "list.h" indicates that this file is of type "h document". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "C source code". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system.". |
| 23:33.47 | Polarina | alexbodn: How do I get rid of that? |
| 23:34.16 | valdyn | Polarina: tell us which program is throwing that error |
| 23:34.28 | jhutchins | Polarina: rm -f list.h |
| 23:34.35 | Polarina | valdyn: Nautilus. |
| 23:34.39 | valdyn | jhutchins: umm, geez |
| 23:34.44 | Polarina | valdyn: I want to be able to open that file by right-clicking. |
| 23:34.49 | alexbodn | Polarina: let me try |
| 23:34.51 | Polarina | left-clicking* |
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| 23:35.30 | Lutifer | hi |
| 23:35.44 | Lutifer | can you give me an firefox repo? |
| 23:35.55 | valdyn | Polarina: you are certainly not on debian, are you |
| 23:35.57 | jhutchins | Polarina: Installing an Integrated Development Environment might give you what you want, but if you change the file association to a text editor that should fix it. |
| 23:36.05 | Polarina | valdyn: I'm on Debain Lenny. |
| 23:36.18 | Polarina | jhutchins: I'm opening with gedit. |
| 23:36.32 | Nielske | mmmm besides NAT routing/firewall/local network sharedrive/dns-caching |
| 23:36.34 | format_c | Lutifer, for doing what? |
| 23:36.37 | Polarina | jhutchins: I don't have a IDE installed. |
| 23:36.37 | legis | Do guys know of a hotspot app for linux? |
| 23:36.47 | Nielske | what should i do more with a debian box for usage in home-network :p |
| 23:36.56 | jhutchins | Polarina: Perhaps you need to check the security docs for your Gnome environment. |
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| 23:37.11 | valdyn | Polarina: rightclick - properties - open with - pick whatever |
| 23:37.13 | Lutifer | format_c: i want install firefox but don't have in repo |
| 23:37.15 | Polarina | jhutchins: Can you give me a hint on where to find these documents? |
| 23:37.29 | valdyn | Polarina: and this is most certainly not lenny |
| 23:37.30 | format_c | Lutifer, you have |
| 23:37.34 | Polarina | valdyn: It has "Text Editor" set there. That error still pops up. |
| 23:37.39 | jhutchins | Polarina: Sorry, KDE user and pretty new to Debian (many years in SysV environments though). |
| 23:37.40 | Polarina | valdyn: I'm on lenny. |
| 23:37.47 | Polarina | jhutchins: And GNOME. |
| 23:37.52 | format_c | apparently it has been renamed for some reason |
| 23:38.01 | format_c | Lutifer, look for iceweasel |
| 23:38.11 | jhutchins | Polarina: Is it an error that prevents you from installing, or is it a warning that just annoys you? |
| 23:38.31 | Polarina | jhutchins: The latter. I hate having to right-click and select Open With each time. |
| 23:38.39 | jhutchins | /installing/s//opening/ |
| 23:38.41 | valdyn | hes just opening a header file and that is giving him a warning |
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| 23:38.48 | valdyn | which is majorly stupid |
| 23:39.00 | jhutchins | Polarina: Does it not give you a checkbox to remember the program to use? |
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| 23:39.18 | Polarina | jhutchins: That dialog box with the error has only a OK button. |
| 23:39.20 | jhutchins | Polarina: It could be se_linux settings. |
| 23:39.39 | Polarina | jhutchins: I haven't installed SELinux. |
| 23:39.40 | jhutchins | Polarina: Ok, just guessing, right-click, choose properties, see where that takes you. |
| 23:39.49 | jhutchins | Polarina: are you sure? |
| 23:39.52 | miksuh | Lutifer: iceweasel is firefox, install iceweasel |
| 23:39.57 | Polarina | jhutchins: Yes, I'm sure. |
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| 23:40.03 | Polarina | jhutchins: And it's fine in Properties. |
| 23:40.22 | Lutifer | thanks |
| 23:40.22 | valdyn | Polarina: uname -a |
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| 23:40.39 | Polarina | Linux polarina-laptop 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Nov 26 18:26:02 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:40.41 | alexbodn | Polarina: sorry, i don't have KDE to reproduce |
| 23:40.56 | Polarina | alexbodn: I'm NOT using KDE. |
| 23:41.10 | valdyn | Polarina: i cant reproduce this |
| 23:41.13 | alexbodn | gnome? |
| 23:41.18 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes. |
| 23:41.43 | valdyn | Polarina: i dont even know such a dialogue |
| 23:41.44 | alexbodn | does this happen with other .h files as well? |
| 23:41.52 | valdyn | ( except from windows xp / vista |
| 23:41.58 | Polarina | alexbodn: No idea. That's the only .h file I got. |
| 23:42.04 | alexbodn | :) |
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| 23:42.58 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes, it happens with other .h files too. |
| 23:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | legis, hotspot app? |
| 23:43.22 | valdyn | Polarina: and .c files and .txt file? |
| 23:43.37 | alexbodn | Polarina: could you right-click on the file and choose open with and text editor? |
| 23:43.39 | Polarina | valdyn: C files is fine. |
| 23:43.47 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes, I'm able to do that. |
| 23:43.56 | Polarina | alexbodn: But I want to be able to double-click that damn file too. |
| 23:44.28 | legis | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, a software to run a wireless hotpot for linux |
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| 23:44.39 | legis | *hotspot |
| 23:44.44 | miksuh | Polarina: I have not followed the whole discussion, but have you set the default tool for that file type? |
| 23:44.53 | Polarina | miksuh: Yes. |
| 23:45.01 | Polarina | miksuh: It's set to Text Editor (gedit). |
| 23:45.16 | valdyn | Polarina: ok, i got it |
| 23:45.20 | alexbodn | Polarina: right-click | properties| open with, and select the same application as for c source |
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| 23:45.27 | valdyn | Polarina: on which filesystem is that .h file? |
| 23:45.31 | Polarina | alexbodn: I did that. |
| 23:45.34 | Polarina | valdyn: ext3 |
| 23:45.37 | valdyn | Polarina: show me the output of ls -l file.h |
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| 23:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | legis, like... chillispot? |
| 23:46.08 | Polarina | -rw-r--r-- 1 polarina polarina 148 2008-12-26 23:24 list.h |
| 23:46.16 | valdyn | oh what the hell |
| 23:46.19 | valdyn | i dont have it then |
| 23:46.33 | bobbuttons | how can i see the users on the system and the uids and all the groups and stuff? |
| 23:46.54 | cast | /etc/groups, /etc/passwd |
| 23:46.54 | valdyn | bobbuttons: cat /etc/passwd / cat /etc/groups |
| 23:47.25 | valdyn | Polarina: please try something |
| 23:47.33 | Polarina | valdyn: Like what? |
| 23:47.34 | legis | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, looks like chillispot is what I'm looking for. |
| 23:48.04 | valdyn | Polarina: run gconf-editor, go apps -> nautilus -> preferences, change executable_text_activation from ask to launch |
| 23:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | legis, "apt-cache search wireless server" or "apt-cache search hotsopt" - I don't see any other (more generally you could look through the output of apt-cache search wireless) |
| 23:48.21 | miksuh | Polarina: don't know why you get that error, i can't reproduce that problem on lenny... |
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| 23:48.36 | valdyn | Polarina: after that killall nautilus, let it restart, then double click the list.h and tell what happens |
| 23:48.58 | miksuh | Polarina: install eg. bluefidh and then set it as a default tool |
| 23:49.04 | miksuh | or anjuta |
| 23:49.06 | Polarina | valdyn: It's set to "ask". |
| 23:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Polarina, of course, the easiest way to prevent that error would probably be to not run nautilus :) - anyways, try running gedit directly on it in a shell (to see if the error is from nautilus or from gedit) |
| 23:49.19 | valdyn | Polarina: yea, i know, change it to launch |
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| 23:49.55 | Polarina | valdyn: killed nautilus, still happens, |
| 23:49.59 | legis | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 23:50.02 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: Just a moment. |
| 23:50.04 | valdyn | Polarina: ok |
| 23:50.19 | Polarina | CutMeOwnThroat: Running "gedit list.h" works fine. |
| 23:50.20 | valdyn | Polarina: revert to ask please so you have the default secure setting back |
| 23:50.27 | Polarina | valdyn: Ok. |
| 23:50.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos hotspots - is there a way to have an interfaces file that prevents you from connecting to web-authenticated wireless aps? |
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| 23:50.48 | valdyn | Polarina: the dialogue you are seeing is not supposed to show for stuff that is not even executable |
| 23:50.56 | _ioctlcoatl | has anyone had problems installing deb onto older dell laptops |
| 23:50.59 | _ioctlcoatl | it always hangs |
| 23:51.10 | Polarina | valdyn: I'll post a screenshot of it. |
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| 23:51.34 | _ioctlcoatl | the net inst cd used to suggest a special option to type in but the regular weekly build lenny isos dont |
| 23:51.40 | _ioctlcoatl | unless its in advanced install somewhere |
| 23:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean you can easily configure interfaces to connect to connect to any free access point around... that doesn't do you a lot of good if the strongest one uses web-based authentification |
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| 23:52.13 | Polarina | valdyn: http://www.2and2.net/files/495561fe97cf2.png |
| 23:52.50 | valdyn | Polarina: do owner and group of that file match you? |
| 23:52.55 | Polarina | valdyn: Yes. |
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| 23:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that stupid message perhaps pops up for all files that have the executable flag set |
| 23:54.34 | alexbodn | Polarina, valdyn: it seems h document is not matched with the c source mime |
| 23:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | try chmod a-x list.h |
| 23:55.19 | Polarina | alexbodn: text/x-cscr |
| 23:55.27 | valdyn | Polarina: is nautilus-actions installed ? |
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| 23:55.42 | Polarina | alexbodn: But it was text/plain untill I added a dummy #include <stdlib.h> to the top. |
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| 23:55.59 | Polarina | valdyn: No. |
| 23:56.19 | alexbodn | Polarina: what's the mime for .c files? |
| 23:56.29 | Polarina | alexbodn: text/x-csrc |
| 23:56.53 | alexbodn | and .h? |
| 23:57.02 | Polarina | alexbodn: text/x-csrc |
| 23:57.08 | alexbodn | ok |
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| 23:57.41 | alexbodn | what's the open with of .c and .h? |
| 23:57.50 | Polarina | But on trivial .h files, it thinks it's text/plain. |
| 23:57.57 | Polarina | alexbodn: Text Editor. |
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| 23:59.20 | alexbodn | Polarina: does the error happen with both empty .h and those with #includes? |
