| 00:00.01 | Polarina | alexbodn: It works on empty .h files. |
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| 00:00.33 | Polarina | alexbodn: The mime on empty .h files is application/x-extension-h |
| 00:00.44 | alexbodn | could you please add a blank line before the first #include? |
| 00:01.08 | Polarina | alexbodn: No help from that. |
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| 00:03.45 | Zambezi | I just built a new computer. System harddrive became sdd. Does that matter? I don't think so, but when I booted it stopped after grub. And it was a line with <grub>. No error. Is it menu.list which need some edit? |
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| 00:04.06 | alexbodn | Polarina: my mime for .h files is text/x-chdr |
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| 00:04.12 | valdyn | Zambezi: does grub start? |
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| 00:04.51 | Polarina | alexbodn: Can you paste the content of that .h file so I can try it? |
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| 00:05.52 | alexbodn | it's empty |
| 00:05.52 | Polarina | alexbodn: Ok. |
| 00:05.53 | alexbodn | but same with non-empty files |
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| 00:06.10 | Polarina | Odd. |
| 00:06.14 | Zambezi | valdyn: Goes. It's some thing when initfs-something starts. |
| 00:06.24 | sylarr | how do I make htop to show only one line per process regardless of how many threads are in there? |
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| 00:06.30 | Polarina | I'll try to reproduce on another Debian Lenny installation. |
| 00:06.46 | Zambezi | valdyn: Debian Lenny daily build from 24th btw. |
| 00:06.50 | valdyn | Zambezi: you can do changes in grubs boot menu directly, those changes just arent permanent |
| 00:07.03 | simonrvn | sylarr: it has a manual, and a help. try looking there *first* |
| 00:07.15 | sylarr | k |
| 00:07.16 | CheeToS | is it possible to install etch over ssh without a keyboard or am I searching for bigfoot? I've already got it booting the installer from a usb drive. I've read a little about network-console but it sounds to be incomplete. |
| 00:07.18 | Zambezi | valdyn: I'll start and have a look. |
| 00:07.39 | valdyn | !ssh install |
| 00:07.39 | dpkg | ssh install is probably http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#di-miscellaneous, or [obsolete] http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html See also <debootstrap>. |
| 00:08.42 | Zambezi | valdyn: No, my bad. It says "GRUB loading, please wait" for an eternity, usually I just choose the kernel, but it stuck here. |
| 00:08.51 | Polarina | alexbodn: It works fine on my other computer. |
| 00:09.08 | valdyn | Zambezi: make your sdd to whatever it was before |
| 00:09.18 | valdyn | Zambezi: your bios can do that or you can replug it |
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| 00:09.47 | alexbodn | Polarina: it may be because a package youre missing to set mime info. i'm trying to find something on my system |
| 00:10.04 | Polarina | alexbodn: Possibly. |
| 00:10.17 | Polarina | alexbodn: Or my CPU is doing 2 + 2 = 5. |
| 00:10.53 | alexbodn | mine is doing that usually |
| 00:11.05 | alexbodn | the extra 1 is a bonus |
| 00:11.21 | alexbodn | from my best programs ;) |
| 00:11.34 | Zambezi | valdyn: I reinstalled Debian with everything connected as it is now, but that didn't help. It worked before I connected all the drives. I reinstalled it, but it still stuck. GNU GRUB version 0.97 Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported (and so on). And grub> and then it's possible to type commands. |
| 00:11.51 | alexbodn | Polarina: do you have gnome-mime-data installed? |
| 00:11.53 | Polarina | alexbodn: Or like 'xor %eax, %eax' not setting %eax to 0. |
| 00:12.06 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes. |
| 00:12.15 | alexbodn | on both? |
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| 00:12.36 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes. |
| 00:12.46 | fantomas | svn versions are kind of unstable.. e17 from svn is |
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| 00:13.21 | alexbodn | shared-mime-info? |
| 00:13.52 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes. |
| 00:14.07 | alexbodn | mime-support? |
| 00:14.17 | CheeToS | valdyn: I think that might help a bit. I suppose I need to figure out a bunch of preseed options get it to select network-console for me automatically. Thanks! |
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| 00:14.30 | Polarina | alexbodn: Yes. |
| 00:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, how long did you wait for grub? |
| 00:15.36 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Like a minute before "grub>" showed up. |
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| 00:15.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so you do get a prompt? |
| 00:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rescue disk |
| 00:17.35 | dpkg | somebody said rescue disk was useful if you borked your root partition on the harddrive. Boot the rescue disk with "linux single" or "linux root=/dev/hdaX" |
| 00:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try to use lilo... |
| 00:18.18 | alexbodn | Polarina: no clue. is the .h file executable? |
| 00:18.24 | Polarina | alexbodn: No. |
| 00:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | grub is nice, but sometimes things are a bit more hidden away |
| 00:18.40 | Tekno | its header file |
| 00:20.42 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, after that minute. But when I change the order on the drives in BIOS, then it won't find the drives. Now I'm worried grub did some nasty things to my harddrive. Cause when I reinstalled it asked to install grub to the master boot and since my systemharddrive was (and is) I hope it didn't touch sda cause then disaster strike. |
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| 00:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | was and is what |
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| 00:23.25 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Systemdrive=sdd so I hope it didn't overwrite my sda. |
| 00:24.16 | valdyn | Zambezi: sdd is the 4th disk according to your bios |
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| 00:24.28 | valdyn | Zambezi: bios boots from what will later most likely be sda |
| 00:24.38 | valdyn | Zambezi: so disaster probably struck already |
| 00:25.11 | valdyn | Zambezi: though i wonder how you want to know what sda and sdd reallly is when you cant even boot |
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| 00:25.43 | Zambezi | valdyn: I installed Debian to sdd. But I hope it didn't see sda as master bootrecord. |
| 00:25.53 | alexbodn | Polarina: i'mg grepping for chdr in /usr/share ... |
| 00:26.18 | Zambezi | valdyn: Cause it was sdd during reinstallation with all drives connected. |
| 00:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, why not? Might really be more problematic to not boot from the 1st disk |
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| 00:30.10 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Cause if it installed grub on sda which happens to be 1 TB, then it bye bye with many, many things. |
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| 00:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zambezi, why so? |
| 00:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's normally not fatal for the data... |
| 00:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you shouldn't keep reinstalling, but trying to fix the stuff up with what you have |
| 00:32.35 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: Cause it's encrypted so a unknown filesystem. I'm skiddish now. |
| 00:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 00:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that increases the danger level a bit |
| 00:32.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, shouldn't matter |
| 00:33.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | writing the MBR doesn't normally touch the partition table |
| 00:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | start the system from a rescue disk as dpkg wrote above |
| 00:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | then check your grub menu.lst again |
| 00:34.09 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: I usually never install with any drives except the system harddrive installed, but when I connect it, it fails to boot so I tried something now. The motherboard seems to be really cranky with Linux. And I'm not alone. ;-) |
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| 00:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you might *have* to boot of sda... there might be some biosses that have problems booting from anything else (maybe I'm mistaken, but that's what I remember) |
| 00:34.49 | dav- | is there debian kernel out there with alsa 1.0.18 ? |
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| 00:37.29 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I located the problem. |
| 00:37.46 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: And now it says Grub Error 5. |
| 00:38.07 | dustybin | anyone know what might be causing this error in dmesg |
| 00:38.09 | dustybin | hda: host side 80-wire cable detection failed, limiting max speed to UDMA33 |
| 00:39.06 | PinkFreud | dustybin: using a 40 wire ide cable instead of an 80? |
| 00:39.13 | Decepticon | how can i convert a swf file to a png or jpg... the swf file scaled properly is a bit too big for my screen resolution to take screen captures |
| 00:39.59 | Zambezi | CutMeOwnThroat: The problem is storage configuration. |
| 00:40.09 | dustybin | PinkFreud: i havent a clue, i thought all ide cables are the same |
| 00:40.28 | PinkFreud | dustybin: not at all. |
| 00:40.42 | dav- | is there a debian apt repository with more up to date kernels out there? |
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| 00:41.09 | amphi | dav-: for stable? |
| 00:41.10 | dustybin | PinkFreud: so replacing the cable will fix ? |
| 00:41.32 | dav- | amphi: for any version.. |
| 00:41.39 | dustybin | how the hell will the cable fit into the socket? |
| 00:42.08 | dav- | amphi: i run testing with some packages from unstable and a handful from experimental. |
| 00:42.21 | Polarina | dav-: http://kernel.org/ |
| 00:42.25 | PinkFreud | dustybin: 80 wire cables still use 40 pin connectors. |
| 00:42.33 | amphi | dav-: dunno - I build my own here; trying .28 ATM |
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| 00:42.59 | dav- | Polarina: any thing with deb packages? |
| 00:43.19 | dustybin | PinkFreud: where do the other 40 wires fit into?! |
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| 00:43.26 | amphi | dav-: make-kpkg ;) |
| 00:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav-, what are you using right now? |
| 00:44.05 | Polarina | dav-: No. |
| 00:44.15 | stew | dav-: http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ |
| 00:44.24 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: 2.6.26... |
| 00:44.26 | PinkFreud | dustybin: into the same ribbon. 80-wire cables use two wires per pin. if you compare an 80-wire cable with a 40-wire, you'll likely notice more - and thinner - ridges where the wires are, as opposed to the 40. |
| 00:44.43 | PinkFreud | dustybin: 80-wire cables also typically have a connector colored blue. |
| 00:44.58 | PinkFreud | iirc, not all do, though. |
| 00:45.15 | PinkFreud | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/ATA_cables.jpg |
| 00:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, that's pretty recent already... |
| 00:46.30 | PinkFreud | dustybin: the top cable in that pic is a 40-wire. the bottom is 80. |
| 00:46.31 | dustybin | PinkFreud: i found one in my cupboard, the wires are really thin |
| 00:46.34 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa is two versions back... i think it might fix my surround sound problems to upgrade. i could be wrong.. |
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| 00:46.48 | PinkFreud | dustybin: that they are. |
| 00:47.02 | dustybin | PinkFreud: if all the cables fit into the same pins, there shouldnt make any difference to the 40 wire version |
| 00:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav-, use module-assistant to re-build alsa? |
| 00:47.45 | PinkFreud | dustybin: iirc, the additional wires were introduced to reduce crosstalk between wires. |
| 00:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-source |
| 00:48.07 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg-1 |
| 00:48.15 | PinkFreud | dustybin: supposedly helps with the faster speeds that UDMA33, 66, 100, and 133 offer :) |
| 00:48.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav-, 1.0.18 is only in experimental, though |
| 00:48.50 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 00:48.59 | dustybin | shuts down server and re-cables |
| 00:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | dav- /msg dpkg m-a and /msg dpkg experimental |
| 00:49.28 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: let me looking this module assistant, this is interesting |
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| 00:52.09 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: thx. |
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| 00:55.58 | TwistOfFate | are there such thing as lenny backports? |
| 00:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | rephrase that |
| 00:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, the additional cables work as shielding between the lines? |
| 00:58.51 | cast | TwistOfFate: not much need |
| 00:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, so you understood him clearly? I think his question could mean several things |
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| 01:07.15 | SOUL_OF_R00T | someone here use the ahci interface to disk under deb netinst image, with version of the correct image, thanks. |
| 01:07.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | under deb64 plz. |
| 01:07.52 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: that would appear to be the intention |
| 01:08.05 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: new module doesn't work at all :( |
| 01:08.22 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: before: Dec 26 20:07:02 troi kernel: [265214.822767] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:07.0[A] -> Link [AAZA] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 21 |
| 01:08.30 | dav- | CutMeOwnThroat: after: Dec 26 20:07:02 troi kernel: [265215.406940] HDA Intel: probe of 0000:00:07.0 failed with error -22 |
| 01:08.31 | amphi | SOUL_OF_R00T: boot with 'install libata.atapi_enabled=1' perhaps |
| 01:08.59 | SOUL_OF_R00T | thanks my friend... :) |
| 01:09.57 | amphi | SOUL_OF_R00T: that worked? |
| 01:10.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | my first install over an phenom 4X 64 |
| 01:11.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | with an motherboard with 5 sata2 ahci mode. |
| 01:12.04 | patrikf | SOUL_OF_R00T: so what error do you get? |
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| 01:12.56 | SOUL_OF_R00T | im not have an error i only preparing me to do it! thanks |
| 01:13.06 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i try under some minuts |
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| 01:16.46 | bobbuttons | i'm using debian 4.0r5 iceweasel 2.0.0.18 and flash 9 and if i click on the fullscreen button on a youtube video it won't come back to normal.. it'll mess up even the command line.. is this happening to anyone else? |
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| 01:17.07 | _2 | i have several issues i would like some feedback on, first when i try to connect to irc.debian.org i get "-:- Connection closed from irc.debian.org:" second, when trying to start my gui i get "/usr/bin/gnome-session: /usr/bin/gnome-session: cannot execute binary file" third, if i let init start all the crap in rcS.d/ and rc2.d/ sound doesn't work. |
| 01:17.12 | bobbuttons | ah, and i have no fusion and the like installed |
| 01:17.23 | dustybin | PinkFreud: those errors are now gone after swapping the cables, thanks for help :) |
| 01:17.37 | _2 | this is a recent install of etch btw. |
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| 01:18.42 | chomwitt | in debian lenny installer (in friend's laptop) i cant connect to a wifi access point in which i give almost all the data i use successufully in mu laptop.(the installer asked first for the iwlwifi firmware which i gave thought a usb) |
| 01:19.17 | lufthanza | is there a clean way of pulling the xserver packages from experimental on lenny? |
| 01:19.28 | PinkFreud | dustybin: no problem :) |
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| 01:21.54 | streuner_ | , |
| 01:22.00 | streuner_ | lufthanza: no |
| 01:22.14 | lufthanza | darn |
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| 01:22.16 | streuner_ | if you crazy enough, sure :-) |
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| 01:22.38 | lufthanza | I want intel driver 2.5.1 :( |
| 01:22.38 | streuner_ | experimental is for unstable only... |
| 01:22.51 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there any differences in the way the nvidia drivers work for current and legacy graphic cards? I want my installation to work with new NVidia cards, but I only have an old card to test with, until I buy a new graphics card |
| 01:23.19 | streuner_ | and, if you had to ask, just dont use them... |
| 01:23.35 | lufthanza | streuner_: question is, how unstable is unstable |
| 01:23.37 | cast | Jemt: nvidia as in 'nvidia' or 'nv'? |
| 01:23.53 | Jemt | The closed source drivers ('nvidia') |
| 01:23.55 | streuner_ | lufthanza: unstable :-P |
| 01:24.29 | lufthanza | streuner_: unstable wasn't horrible on gentoo, i would think it would be better on debian |
| 01:24.52 | streuner_ | wrong |
| 01:25.50 | _2 | must be invisable |
| 01:25.56 | streuner_ | there are sometimes packages which work, but usually experimental is a playground of DD |
| 01:26.01 | streuner_ | DDs... |
| 01:26.26 | dustybin | are there any other ways to detect errors in ones system, apart from dmesg | grep error and dmesg | grep fail ? |
| 01:26.33 | lufthanza | streuner_: Diligent Donkeys? |
| 01:26.53 | streuner_ | Debian Developers |
| 01:27.14 | streuner_ | ravenbird: DD |
| 01:27.15 | Jemt | cast: Did you catch my comment ? |
| 01:27.16 | ravenbird | An abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd. |
| 01:27.29 | lufthanza | dustybin: /var/log/messages can have nice stuff in it |
| 01:28.23 | lufthanza | ravenbird: or dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 for fun results? |
| 01:28.27 | ravenbird | lufthanza: i haven't a clue |
| 01:28.39 | streuner_ | ravenbird: What are you? |
| 01:28.40 | ravenbird | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 01:29.05 | lufthanza | :/ |
| 01:29.11 | streuner_ | so ask the channel please |
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| 01:30.23 | lufthanza | I've got all the answers I need for now. Guess I'll have to wait till sid becomes testing to get all the features of kernel 2.6.28 |
| 01:31.26 | streuner_ | sid never becomes testing |
| 01:31.40 | streuner_ | sid will be always unstable... |
| 01:31.47 | lufthanza | hmm |
| 01:32.15 | illio | I just installed postgresql on Debian and got it working with SQL-ledger. This is my pg_hba.conf: http://pastebin.com/d6d0c4fee .. Now I saw the postgresql port is now apparently open according to nmap, so I'm curious how I make postgresql open for localhost and nothing else? |
| 01:32.21 | lufthanza | I thought lenny became stable, sid became testing, and a new unstable was named |
| 01:32.34 | lufthanza | guess you just name a new testing? |
| 01:32.50 | uva | hi.... |
| 01:32.55 | uva | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 01:32.55 | uva | root tty1 - Fri11 21.00s 0.49s 0.44s zhcon |
| 01:32.59 | streuner_ | squezze |
| 01:33.01 | legis | lufthanza: yes |
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| 01:33.10 | TheGreatNTFS | DEBIAN SUCKS |
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| 01:33.17 | CheeToS | oh my |
| 01:33.20 | dav- | haha |
| 01:33.23 | lufthanza | k |
| 01:33.24 | streuner_ | ravenbird: testing |
| 01:33.25 | uva | can i get this root's process id? |
| 01:33.25 | ravenbird | somebody said testing was a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. |
| 01:33.27 | CheeToS | you have shattered everyone's worldview, TheGreatNTFS |
| 01:33.35 | TheGreatNTFS | YEAH I DID |
| 01:33.44 | zinx | !ops TheGreatNTFS |
| 01:33.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: TheGreatNTFS |
| 01:33.53 | TheGreatNTFS | !OPS ZINX |
| 01:33.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: thegreatntfs complains about: ZINX |
| 01:34.04 | simonrvn | TheGreatNTFS: ... |
| 01:34.04 | Tekno | ehhhhh |
| 01:34.07 | streuner_ | argh, a troll :-) |
| 01:34.19 | alexbodn | Polarina: still here? |
| 01:34.28 | amphi | streuner_: ya think? ;) |
| 01:34.32 | PinkFreud | yeah. don't feed the trolls, please. :) |
| 01:34.40 | streuner_ | amphi: sure ;-) |
| 01:34.47 | TheGreatNTFS | I HAVE NEVER SEEN A HORIBLE OS |
| 01:34.47 | PinkFreud | smells like this one really needs to take a shower instead of trolling irc, too. |
| 01:34.52 | simonrvn | why do trolls have to repeaedly show their stupidity? |
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| 01:35.34 | azeem | TheGreatNTFS: please keep it on topic |
| 01:35.44 | CheeToS | heh |
| 01:35.49 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 01:35.59 | streuner_ | azeem: you are just slow :-P |
| 01:36.09 | lufthanza | oh, one more question |
| 01:36.09 | RichiH | i really wonder how people can be so bored ad alone that they keep this stuff up for an hour |
| 01:36.30 | streuner_ | thanks RichiH |
| 01:36.43 | lufthanza | what is the difference between "recommends" & "suggests"? |
| 01:36.50 | CheeToS | I am bored and alone so I am trying to install debian :v |
| 01:37.02 | amphi | lufthanza: 'suggests' is weaker |
| 01:37.12 | simonrvn | RichiH: SRSLY :/ |
| 01:37.25 | lufthanza | hmm |
| 01:38.02 | RichiH | CheeToS: good plan, that |
| 01:38.10 | RichiH | approves |
| 01:38.24 | simonrvn | a lot more constructive :) |
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| 01:39.06 | Agent_bob | sorry i asked that question and lost cfonnection all at the same time... |
| 01:39.11 | Agent_bob | new install of etch which has issues i would like some feedback on, first, when i try to connect to irc.debian.org i get "-:- Connection closed from irc.debian.org:" what's up with that? second, when trying to start my gui i get "/usr/bin/gnome-session: /usr/bin/gnome-session: cannot execute binary file" what have i broken that i get such a lame error? third, if i let init start all the crap in rcS.d/ and rc2.d/ sound does |
| 01:39.37 | dezza | Why is /phpmyadmin THE ONLY folder that won't get interpreted by PHP? Does Debian add special configs or something? I've been struggeling with this for hours now :( .. Never had this problem before! |
| 01:39.48 | Agent_bob | or shoule i say those three questions |
| 01:39.54 | azeem | Agent_bob: or question got cut off at "sound does..." |
| 01:39.57 | azeem | your* |
| 01:40.00 | dezza | And yes! All other folders are interpreted fine by PHP! |
| 01:40.23 | Agent_bob | rc2.d/ sound doesn't work, if i start light, it does... ? |
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| 01:40.26 | RichiH | dezza: file permissions? special ruleset for that location? broken symlink? wrong vhost? |
| 01:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner_, haha... sarge is now testing... so there's still some things for which debian is releasing too fast :) |
| 01:41.02 | azeem | Agent_bob: "if i start light, it does" means what? |
| 01:41.09 | streuner_ | CutMeOwnThroat: :-P |
| 01:41.18 | Agent_bob | azeem does work |
| 01:41.29 | azeem | Agent_bob: how do you start light? |
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| 01:41.55 | Agent_bob | azeem without running the scripts in rcS.d/ and rc2.d/ |
| 01:42.13 | dezza | RichiH: Standard configs all the way :/ That's the strange part, usually it works out of the box .. |
| 01:42.19 | alexbodn | bye freinds |
| 01:42.51 | RichiH | anyone use KDE 3 here? |
| 01:43.09 | streuner_ | just using flux |
| 01:43.26 | streuner_ | no DM, they need to many RAM... |
| 01:43.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I maybe mad, but I'm not insane... |
| 01:43.37 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 01:44.20 | streuner | RichiH: try #debian-kde |
| 01:44.40 | alexbodn | Polarina: /usr/share/mime/globs contains a mapping between *.h to x-chdr. in case it's missing for you, please use update-mime. best of luck. bye |
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| 01:45.08 | RichiH | streuner: will do if i don't find anyone in here |
| 01:45.09 | Agent_bob | azeem any clue as to why i would see error messages like >> /usr/bin/gnome-session: /usr/bin/gnome-session: cannot execute binary file |
| 01:45.28 | RichiH | Agent_bob: ls -l /usr/bin/gnome-session |
| 01:45.43 | Agent_bob | RichiH it's executable |
| 01:45.44 | streuner | RichiH: there are a few people here, but not many |
| 01:46.22 | dezza | RichiH: you have absolutely no clue? File permissions are the same as the other files in /var/www, phpmyadmin in /var/www is a symlink to /usr/share/phpmyadmin which is default when you install the phpmyadmin package :/ |
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| 01:47.35 | Agent_bob | RichiH it's more like calling bash /bin/bash which will give the same type error, but i see no reason for gnome-session to do that |
| 01:47.47 | mentor | dezza: What happens instead? |
| 01:48.05 | Agent_bob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, you just nicely managed to communicate that the guys in #debian-kde are insane :) |
| 01:48.30 | gambasguy | so aside from having support for my wireless, what's the difference between Mepis 8 and Debian Lenny? |
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| 01:48.35 | dezza | mentor: DL-dialog .. I really tried uninstalling reinstalling (with purge of course) zillions of times now.. I really can't believe it.. |
| 01:48.46 | RichiH | dezza: sorry, no. it sounds OK, but otoh, it has been years since i last installed phpmyadmin |
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| 01:49.04 | mentor | dezza: and you d/l the php source, right? |
| 01:49.07 | Doctor-Steve_ | how do i configure X so i dont have to have a screen? or configure Debian to start X at all |
| 01:49.21 | Agent_bob | but what i'm calling is >>>> /bin/su - $USER -- /usr/bin/gnome-session --display :0 <<<< which should start a gnome session for $USER insted i get that error |
| 01:49.50 | mentor | -u user? |
| 01:49.55 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: remove the '-' after su |
| 01:50.01 | dezza | mentor: ? no .. I want it to be interpreted by PHP like any other .php file in my /var/www it's just /var/www/phpmyadmin that wants to give reveal the source for me :( |
| 01:50.09 | azeem | Agent_bob: why are you running thiss manually? |
| 01:50.23 | mentor | dezza: I mean, this it what happens instead, right? |
| 01:50.25 | dezza | mentor: But if you mean download the phpmyadmin source from their website no.. I did 'apt-get install phpmyadmin' |
| 01:50.29 | format_c | Doctor-Steve_, to stop X to start at all just stop xdm or remove it from runlevel. |
| 01:50.32 | dezza | mentor: yes |
| 01:50.33 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud the dash makes it a login type session i.e. reads the etc/profile |
| 01:50.53 | Agent_bob | azeem to start a gnome session |
| 01:51.09 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: yes, I know what it does. Remove it. |
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| 01:51.21 | azeem | display managers got invented to do this for you |
| 01:51.34 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud is that a debian specific thing ? |
| 01:51.42 | Doctor-Steve_ | format_c, how do I stop it from starting then? sorry |
| 01:51.42 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: no, it's a su specific thing. |
| 01:51.51 | Agent_bob | no |
| 01:51.56 | superjet_busy | gtk apps auto focus themselves, like xchat auto jumps out when say hi to you, howto disable it? |
| 01:52.22 | format_c | Doctor-Steve_, use sysv-rc-conf |
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| 01:52.50 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud in the first place the command or should i say entire script works correctly on ubuntu so it's not an su specific thing, in the second place removing it changes nothing; i just tested to make sure. |
| 01:53.22 | dezza | mentor: also something strange happened when I reinstalled last .. Files that were in /var/www before reinstall gives DL-dialog all of them, if I remove them, create new file with same permissions and same content, hooray, interpreted .. |
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| 01:53.34 | format_c | Doctor-Steve_, maybe you're using kdm or gdm as the initial X process |
| 01:53.39 | streuner | haha, gravity is back :-) |
| 01:53.48 | streuner | merry christmas graivty :-) |
| 01:53.53 | gravity | uh oh |
| 01:53.59 | gravity | streuner: Merry Christmas to you too |
| 01:54.03 | Doctor-Steve_ | format_c, thanks :) |
| 01:54.24 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: ubuntu uses debian unstable. it's possible the su syntax was modified in newer releases, or it's also possible ubuntu merely uses a bash alias to call su. |
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| 01:54.40 | lufthanza | another question |
| 01:54.43 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: in any case, have you tried removing the - to see if it works? |
| 01:54.47 | CheeToS | windows media player wants to search my debian installer thumbdrive for music |
| 01:55.20 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud all possabilities aside, fact is removing the dash changes nothing. command still fails |
| 01:55.20 | lufthanza | does the lenny RC1 installer allow you to format partitions as ext4? |
| 01:55.33 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: same error? |
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| 01:55.44 | format_c | CheeToS, Windows media player ???? wasn't this a new kind of a worm ??? |
| 01:55.55 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud yes exact same error, didn't i say that twice already ??? |
| 01:56.09 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: no. You just mentioned that you tried it. :) |
| 01:56.17 | mentor | hmmm |
| 01:56.42 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud in the first place the command or should i say entire script works correctly on ubuntu so it's not an su specific thing, in the second place removing it changes nothing; i just tested to make sure. <<<< ah hemm |
| 01:56.49 | mentor | dezza: owner? |
| 01:56.57 | mentor | can't make his phppgadmin go away |
| 01:57.01 | Agent_bob | "changes nothing" |
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| 01:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agent_bob, the -- is wrong |
| 01:57.38 | Shadow_Master | the 2.6.24 kernel which is iused by the Debian lenny DVD I own oopses both during the installation and when booting the installed system. |
| 01:57.54 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: you seemed so against trying my suggestion that I appear to have missed that small part of your long-winded reply. |
| 01:57.55 | Shadow_Master | what should I do to blacklist the faulty module if I can't boot? |
| 01:57.57 | Agent_bob | no it's not. |
| 01:58.29 | PinkFreud | ahh, there it is. |
| 01:58.31 | Agent_bob | <Agent_bob> PinkFreud all possabilities aside, fact is removing the dash changes nothing. command still fails <<< missed it there too. |
| 01:58.40 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: you can always read the man page on su. |
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| 01:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agent_bob, the -- makes the following things arguments to bash |
| 01:59.08 | Agent_bob | PinkFreud or you can, i have. and the -- is not incorrect |
| 01:59.17 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: good. Since I obviously cannot read your statements, you can go off to read the man page. |
| 01:59.29 | lufthanza | anyone? |
| 01:59.30 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: shoo :) |
| 01:59.40 | Agent_bob | anyone else ? |
| 01:59.46 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: yes. 'man su' |
| 02:00.01 | PinkFreud | you might be surprised that you can find the answer in there. |
| 02:00.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agent_bob, I told you what's wrong |
| 02:00.34 | mentor | dezza: Ah, it might be because files below your document root don't have exec turned off |
| 02:00.43 | Agent_bob | CutMeOwnThroat sorry i must have over looked it. i'll scroll up. |
| 02:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | funnily, you're right, just removing the -- doesn't do it |
| 02:01.01 | Agent_bob | CutMeOwnThroat oh heh the -- no that's not it. |
| 02:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still wrong :) |
| 02:01.14 | dezza | mentor: ? +x ? |
| 02:01.23 | Agent_bob | no. |
| 02:01.27 | Agent_bob | pfft. |
| 02:01.33 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, hi |
| 02:01.33 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: sadly, if he bothered to bring up the man page, he'd have it by now. |
| 02:01.38 | mentor | dezza: no, in your apache configuration |
| 02:01.42 | PinkFreud | the man page on su is rather short :) |
| 02:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agent_bob, but you can do( instead of su - USER /bin/ls ) su - $USER -- -c /bin/ls |
| 02:02.04 | dezza | mentor: what should I do in httpd.conf then? |
| 02:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, just removing the -- doesn't do it, though |
| 02:02.26 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: that's correct. |
| 02:02.47 | Agent_bob | CutMeOwnThroat without the -- you get error messages about the following arguments not being accepted by su you have to protect the command from being parsed by su that's what the -- is for. read the man page on it. |
| 02:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you're supposed to use -c anyways |
| 02:03.05 | PinkFreud | snerks |
| 02:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | says it all |
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| 02:03.25 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: you're recommending someone else read the man page? |
| 02:03.33 | PinkFreud | Agent_bob: you might want to try that yourself :) |
| 02:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I gave you a working solution |
| 02:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | closes the case |
| 02:04.03 | Agent_bob | at any rate, that fruitless argument is still not addressing what is causing the error. |
| 02:04.09 | Agent_bob | it's not an su error |
| 02:04.12 | lummox | Do you know if there is a .deb in the repos for the J programming language? "aptitude search J" is not so helpful |
| 02:04.12 | mentor | dezza: Option ExecCGI |
| 02:04.15 | mentor | isn't sure |
| 02:04.43 | dezza | mentor: I will paste my httpd.conf so you can see for yourself, it's all default |
| 02:04.51 | newsense | hey if i grab linux-source-2.6.26 and make oldconfig would that kernel be identical to linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 02:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, --names-only , possibly ^j |
| 02:05.21 | Agent_bob | just a side note to CutMeOwnThroat you can't use -c unless you also still use -- else su will error out. |
| 02:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did use -- |
| 02:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's your point |
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| 02:06.15 | Agent_bob | my point,,,, |
| 02:06.25 | Agent_bob | seems so futile doesn't it. |
| 02:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I told you how it works |
| 02:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | change it and be happy |
| 02:06.38 | Agent_bob | change what ? |
| 02:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how giving you a working solution can be futile |
| 02:06.41 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: give it up. he seems to prefer arguing. |
| 02:06.45 | Agent_bob | the command is not the problem. |
| 02:06.58 | PinkFreud | PEBKAC |
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| 02:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, heh, were you reading my thoughts? |
| 02:08.02 | lummox | CutMeOwnThroat, this param doiesnt exist for aptitude :D |
| 02:08.06 | shovi | guys, how do i install iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode in Lenny |
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| 02:08.14 | dmoerner | lummox, what is the name of the primary implementation |
| 02:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, apt-cache... |
| 02:08.34 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I merely tried to help him before you did :) |
| 02:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, but I don't see any... it's probably better, but still not really useful :) |
| 02:09.10 | downhill_ | why can't I create multiple partitions on a software RAID1 device? Do I really need to create RAID1 arrays for each partition? |
| 02:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, I kind of doubt it's called plain "j" dmoerner is right, probably there is some "long name" it will be packaged as |
| 02:09.30 | downhill_ | debian etch btw |
| 02:09.35 | cast | downhill_: could you just put a lvm pv on it |
| 02:09.41 | downhill_ | I hate LVM. |
| 02:09.59 | lummox | dmoerner, I dont know. I only know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_(programming_language) and that http://www.jsoftware.com/ is the website of the devloprs who also deliver the interpreter |
| 02:10.00 | lummox | I have seen some people solving things with it very quickly with just some characters of code |
| 02:10.00 | PinkFreud | downhill_: you can, if you use a newer RAID superblock |
| 02:10.24 | downhill_ | PinkFreud; any names or documentation on that? |
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| 02:10.37 | downhill_ | I'm poking through - http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s03.html#partman-crypto |
| 02:11.09 | downhill_ | ignore the anchor |
| 02:11.21 | lummox | This is a code: "+/@:~.@(*/@#~ #:@i.@<:@(2&^)@#)@q:+/(1+i.28123)-.~.,+/~(#~(<ds))12+i.28120" It can find the sum of the numbers that cannot be written as a sum of two abundant numbers. An abundant number is a number of which the sum of proper divisors is bigger than the number itself. |
| 02:11.44 | lummox | very pretty.. within this code there is prime factorization etc |
| 02:11.51 | lummox | so I want to have a J interpreter |
| 02:12.11 | downhill_ | PinkFreud; if you mean the new RAID device created, it won't work... |
| 02:12.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, I guess apt-cache search jsoftware should find it (if the homepage is given in the package as usul) |
| 02:12.36 | downhill_ | after creating one partition, the rest of the space is marked as "Unusable" |
| 02:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | holy batman, freezes |
| 02:12.49 | lummox | CutMeOwnThroat, no result :( |
| 02:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, I know... I did it before saying that |
| 02:13.16 | PinkFreud | downhill_: check mdadm. pay attention to the --auto option. |
| 02:13.21 | dmoerner | lummox, the binary is jwd and the interpreter is jconsole. it is not in debian. |
| 02:13.23 | downhill_ | thanks |
| 02:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, top shows "50% wait", which means one of two CPU |
| 02:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can I see what's freezing me? |
| 02:13.36 | lummox | ok, thank you |
| 02:13.44 | PinkFreud | iirc, it requires you use a version 1 superblock, as opposed to the default of 0.9, though I'd read the man page to make sure of that. |
| 02:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it went away |
| 02:14.08 | TwistOfFate | what's an alternative to amavisd-new? |
| 02:14.09 | shovi | guys, how do i install iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode in Lenny??? |
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| 02:14.37 | amphi | shovi: put it in /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:15.11 | dmoerner | lummox, this is fantastically non-free software so that explains why it's in non-free :) |
| 02:15.21 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: dstat might help. it's possible the freeze and subsequent load is i/o related. |
| 02:15.25 | dmoerner | s/non-free/not in Debian/ |
| 02:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, it must be |
| 02:15.49 | shovi | amphi, how do i put it in there, it says I dont have permissions |
| 02:15.59 | amphi | shovi: as root |
| 02:16.20 | shovi | yeah, im logged in as root in terminal, but how do i for the filesystem, amphi |
| 02:16.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's a stale mount again? |
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| 02:17.09 | lummox | dmoerner, you have found a package? |
| 02:17.18 | lummox | but I have the non-free repos also |
| 02:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lummox, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=303489 |
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| 02:17.28 | dmoerner | http://www.jsoftware.com/stable.htm |
| 02:17.53 | dmoerner | CutMeOwnThroat, that is a different J |
| 02:18.02 | dmoerner | http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Guides/General FAQ#Guides.2BAC8-GeneralFAQ.2BAC8-JLicense.WhatshouldIknowaboutJlicenses.3F |
| 02:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmoerner, thought so... but wanted to check back :) |
| 02:18.30 | simonrvn | ugh, spaces in urls |
| 02:18.36 | downhill_ | starting to think I should just drop $150 for a good hardware RAID controller. |
| 02:19.03 | CheeToS | I have a preseed file named preseed.cfg in the root of my usb drive; should the boot parameter I pass to it be file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg? |
| 02:19.37 | CheeToS | 'it' being the deb installer |
| 02:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure I find the output of dstat enlightening on the 1st glance... |
| 02:20.10 | amphi | shovi: eh? |
| 02:20.29 | shovi | idk how to get root access |
| 02:20.30 | shovi | :| |
| 02:20.38 | amphi | shovi: cp iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode /lib/firmware/ |
| 02:20.52 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: it might only be enlightening when the freeze happens :) |
| 02:21.04 | CheeToS | nevermind, I see that it is |
| 02:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, I mean it's colowful, not sure I understand it, though :) |
| 02:21.09 | CheeToS | but it doesn't seem to be getting loaded :\ |
| 02:21.24 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: *cough* man page. :P |
| 02:21.26 | shovi | cool, ok i copied it there, amphi, how do i run it |
| 02:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I also got a "wai" value of 97 frequently |
| 02:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't tell me which process causes it, though |
| 02:22.14 | PinkFreud | hehe. it collates information from proc, including cpu usage, disk i/o, network throughput, interrupts, etc. |
| 02:22.27 | amphi | shovi: you don't - the module loads it; if the module is loaded now, modrobe -r it and modprobe it again |
| 02:22.48 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: wait state |
| 02:22.56 | amphi | shovi: what module are you using? iwl4965? |
| 02:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:23.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | found it... dmesg |
| 02:23.07 | shovi | yeah |
| 02:23.11 | shovi | i coppied it to lib firm |
| 02:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ouch, ouch and... |
| 02:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | OUCH |
| 02:23.37 | amphi | shovi: do modprobe -r iwl4965 and then modprobe iwl4965 |
| 02:23.55 | amphi | shovi: then ifconfig -a should show wlan0 interface |
| 02:24.13 | shovi | ok yea i see it |
| 02:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, no, I was wrong :) phew... |
| 02:24.26 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 02:24.31 | shovi | ok.. should I reload network manager? |
| 02:24.46 | amphi | shovi: I don't use it myself |
| 02:24.57 | shovi | aw |
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| 02:25.11 | Cobra1 | Salut ya quelqun ? |
| 02:25.21 | simonrvn | !fr |
| 02:25.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:25.25 | Cobra1 | oui |
| 02:25.27 | amphi | you can use iwconfig in a term, or wpa_supplicant if you use wpa |
| 02:25.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess values > 50% for wait are not normal... |
| 02:25.49 | Agent_bob | ok i found the problem with starting gnome session; for some reason the xhost is failing and thus not setting access +local |
| 02:25.51 | shovi | how do u connect in wireless console? |
| 02:25.53 | shovi | er |
| 02:25.53 | Agent_bob | xhost: unable to open display "" |
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| 02:26.01 | shovi | is it iwconfig wlan0 essid? |
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| 02:26.13 | simonrvn | Agent_bob: don't use xhost |
| 02:26.15 | Cobra1 | no body in debian-fr |
| 02:26.18 | JordiGH | What does the laptop tasksel do? Would I need it for an Eee PC? |
| 02:26.29 | Cobra1 | nobody speak french ? |
| 02:26.41 | Agent_bob | simonrvn ok. how do is set x to accept local commections then ? |
| 02:26.41 | dios_mio | my stupid network-manager icon on the panel shows me disconnected.. |
| 02:26.41 | werwolf | hi, I have a stupid question about static vs. shared builds / libraries, could somebody explane it please? |
| 02:26.45 | amphi | shovi: right, iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever |
| 02:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice... it must have been iceweasel - I killed it, and it's gorn |
| 02:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | cute |
| 02:27.48 | simonrvn | Agent_bob: why? you running stuff as root? |
| 02:28.34 | Agent_bob | simonrvn nosuid system so i need to open X as root (must be run as root) then connect user sessions to it |
| 02:28.53 | simonrvn | !run stuff as root |
| 02:28.53 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <root x><sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 02:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, only if you ask the question :-P |
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| 02:29.16 | simonrvn | that's a really retarded way to run x, IMO. |
| 02:29.16 | JordiGH | Cobra1: That's strange. There are lots of French Debian users and DDs. Have you tried the mailing lists? And OFTC? |
| 02:29.31 | werwolf | yes, what is generally better |
| 02:29.33 | simonrvn | Cobra1: on oftc, not here |
| 02:29.37 | werwolf | static or shared builds |
| 02:29.40 | lummox | dios_mio, mine, too. it started to behave like this when I changed things in the network-admin |
| 02:29.42 | werwolf | I am confused sorry |
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| 02:29.55 | dios_mio | lummox yes same here |
| 02:29.59 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Btw, did I tell you I'll be moving back to Mtl? |
| 02:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, oh, that's simple: it depends (har, har, you expected that, didn't you) |
| 02:30.14 | werwolf | In which case is which better. But a simple explanation please |
| 02:30.16 | simonrvn | JordiGH: no, but welcome back ;) |
| 02:30.20 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, I think that's time spent waiting for i/o |
| 02:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, yes |
| 02:30.29 | Agent_bob | simonrvn humor me. but at any rate, that infonode is working the oppisite dirrection to what i'm going. |
| 02:30.32 | werwolf | :'( |
| 02:30.48 | werwolf | CutMeOwnThroat: please a simples short example? |
| 02:31.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, if you have some software that you'll never update again and which will be abadoned, linking it statically would be better, as the libraries change... |
| 02:31.07 | werwolf | there are a o lot of builds |
| 02:31.20 | simonrvn | Agent_bob: not totally. think about it. the Xauthority is going to be in in /root/ |
| 02:31.25 | werwolf | :D |
| 02:31.48 | werwolf | so if I update a lot, I download shared |
| 02:31.49 | Agent_bob | simonrvn i.e. root starts X , then user wants to connect a gnome session to the xserver. so i need xhost +LOCAL: |
| 02:31.51 | JordiGH | simonrvn: should be there in a couple of weeks... waiting for the papers. |
| 02:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, generally, runtime libraries are used to save space... if a lot of programs use a library, it's more efficient to have the library just installed once for all programs (they're DLLs in windows, btw) |
| 02:32.26 | simonrvn | Agent_bob: curious, why is it nosuid? |
| 02:32.26 | werwolf | static works allways? |
| 02:32.35 | simonrvn | JordiGH: cool, man |
| 02:32.36 | werwolf | without update? |
| 02:32.39 | Agent_bob | simonrvn long story, |
| 02:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, it should... |
| 02:32.53 | werwolf | speaking about Opera browser especially |
| 02:33.14 | werwolf | when I want to have some old builds aswell |
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| 02:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, of you provide the .so libraries together with your program(s), then at least your different programs can share them |
| 02:34.07 | werwolf | but old programs need old libreries, right? |
| 02:34.27 | werwolf | I remember I had problem with a static build of opera, the graphic was very bad |
| 02:34.43 | werwolf | i solved the problem installing share build |
| 02:34.51 | werwolf | so I don't get it too much |
| 02:34.51 | JordiGH | Bah, Opera. :-) |
| 02:34.57 | JordiGH | Not part of Debian. |
| 02:35.13 | JordiGH | Ask Opera how to get their non-free browser working on Debian. |
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| 02:35.26 | werwolf | it works great |
| 02:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | werwolf, missing libraris will normally prevent a program from running at all... |
| 02:35.47 | werwolf | but SeaMonkey is not part of debian as well :'( |
| 02:35.57 | CheeToS | can anyone tell me why debian-installer is seemingly ignoring my preseed stuff? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2270/bootinfo.txt |
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| 02:36.31 | JordiGH | werwolf: yes it is. |
| 02:36.32 | werwolf | JordieGH I love new tecnologies like SM 2.0 Opera 10 and sid |
| 02:36.39 | JordiGH | werwolf: It's called SeaApe. |
| 02:36.40 | werwolf | NO |
| 02:36.48 | werwolf | this is 1.1.14 |
| 02:36.52 | werwolf | not 2.0 |
| 02:37.04 | werwolf | I want 2.0 |
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| 02:37.12 | werwolf | I use sid |
| 02:37.23 | JordiGH | When did it get released? |
| 02:37.26 | _anigma | does Debian have a live cd? |
| 02:37.29 | JordiGH | If it's been a long time, nag the package maintainer. |
| 02:37.36 | JordiGH | _anigma: Yes. |
| 02:37.39 | werwolf | jordie it is actualy alpha |
| 02:37.44 | _anigma | and where can I get it? |
| 02:37.48 | werwolf | it will be release next year |
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| 02:37.57 | JordiGH | werwolf: You want Debian to package alpha software? |
| 02:38.14 | werwolf | I meant Sid, yes |
| 02:38.18 | JordiGH | !tell _anigma about livecd |
| 02:38.25 | JordiGH | werwolf: That's not what sid is usually for... |
| 02:38.39 | JordiGH | werwolf: Sometimes alpha software makes it into experimental. |
| 02:38.45 | werwolf | ah, so I don't get the idea of sid at all |
| 02:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, you translate "debian may one day have it's own livecd" with a "yes"? |
| 02:39.09 | werwolf | and for example OpenOffice 3.0 is finall |
| 02:39.26 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: well, you can make your own. :-) |
| 02:39.30 | werwolf | but not in Debian |
| 02:39.51 | JordiGH | werwolf: Yeah, that one is in experimental. And crashes a lot here. But right now it's freeze time; experimental does get a little abused during freeze time. |
| 02:39.55 | Shadow_Master | I tried running dpkg-reconfigure from a chroot environment from the debian-installer DVD to blacklist the moduels but they still load from somewhere. |
| 02:40.03 | Shadow_Master | I eve renamed th e.ko's... |
| 02:40.34 | werwolf | JordiGH: thank you for explanation |
| 02:40.45 | werwolf | CutMeOwnThroat: you as well |
| 02:40.58 | werwolf | :) |
| 02:41.02 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Hey, we already have a beta release of a livelenny! :D |
| 02:41.28 | werwolf | lenny did not recognize my CDrom from which I installed :( |
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| 02:41.46 | werwolf | does it now? |
| 02:41.49 | newsense | hey if i grab linux-source-2.6.26 and make oldconfig would that kernel be identical to linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 02:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, well... I'd still translate "will have one day" as "not as such" |
| 02:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but each to his own |
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| 02:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was checking the factoid, if it changed :) |
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| 02:43.38 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/08/msg00013.html |
| 02:43.47 | JordiGH | werwolf: ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT! :D |
| 02:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, my harddisk-light keeps being on, althouhg I don't do anything |
| 02:43.58 | werwolf | what is better .deb or tar.gz? |
| 02:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is causing this |
| 02:44.03 | werwolf | :D |
| 02:44.19 | JordiGH | werwolf: What's better, pizza or screwdrivers? |
| 02:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | any way to list processes according to their I/O? |
| 02:44.20 | werwolf | well I love my sidux |
| 02:44.30 | werwolf | :O |
| 02:44.33 | werwolf | no idea |
| 02:44.39 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: fuser? |
| 02:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I want to see what's making hell break loose |
| 02:45.05 | werwolf | JordiGH: I am not native speaker, as you probably see |
| 02:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | causing freezes |
| 02:45.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 02:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might reboot |
| 02:45.39 | werwolf | is .deb better also? |
| 02:45.48 | JordiGH | werwolf: My point is that comparing .tar.gz and .deb is like comparing pizza and the moon. |
| 02:45.59 | werwolf | aha |
| 02:46.03 | werwolf | very different |
| 02:46.13 | JordiGH | werwolf: Yes. |
| 02:46.13 | werwolf | but conteins the same software |
| 02:46.15 | Tekno | dont mention pizza |
| 02:46.19 | Tekno | getting hungry |
| 02:46.21 | JordiGH | werwolf: compare .deb and .rpm, now that's a real flamewar. |
| 02:46.23 | werwolf | there is no moon in pizzza |
| 02:46.30 | werwolf | nooooooo |
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| 02:46.35 | werwolf | I love debian |
| 02:46.40 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: no it's not. you're in #debian - rpm sucks! |
| 02:46.42 | PinkFreud | ducks |
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| 02:46.47 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 02:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it does :) |
| 02:47.04 | Shadow_Master | um .... anyone can help me? :( |
| 02:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends... does viagra solve the problem? |
| 02:47.31 | werwolf | CutMeOwnThroat: in which case is .deb worse choice than tar.gz? |
| 02:47.40 | Shadow_Master | CutMeOwnThroat: no. |
| 02:47.45 | pingouin | ah ah |
| 02:47.49 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: 'depends' and 'viagra' do NOT belong in the same sentence. |
| 02:48.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, they do for some people, I guess |
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| 02:48.05 | Shadow_Master | I have tried all the methods I know to nuke the load of that module... |
| 02:48.06 | PinkFreud | lol |
| 02:48.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, often connected with the word "on" |
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| 02:48.42 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: depends == adult diapers |
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| 02:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, boot from a kernel from a CD into your system... |
| 02:49.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuckit, I guess I have to reboot |
| 02:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't find what's causing this |
| 02:49.29 | werwolf | :( |
| 02:49.44 | Shadow_Master | welll, I tried that and ran dpkg-reconfigure after blacklisting the modules |
| 02:49.54 | PinkFreud | werwolf: .deb is the package format used by debian and derivatives. .tar.gz is merely an archive. |
| 02:50.21 | werwolf | well .deb is not a kind of archive as well? |
| 02:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, I'm freezing over too often... I'm slow |
| 02:50.27 | werwolf | like exe in xp? |
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| 02:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 02:50.37 | dpkg | [blacklist-initramfs] If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 02:50.53 | PinkFreud | werwolf: the former is installed using the debian package manager, which, among other things, writes the installation into it's database to keep track of dependencies, etc. |
| 02:51.01 | Shadow_Master | did that. |
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| 02:51.22 | JordiGH | werwolf: .ar is the archive of the .deb format. |
| 02:51.30 | PinkFreud | werwolf: the latter, being a mere archive, does not enable dpkg to keep track of what has been installed. |
| 02:51.31 | werwolf | PinkFreud: except from apt etc. is it the same? |
| 02:51.40 | Shadow_Master | the best I know is that this happens both in the installer kernel and the installed kernel: http://rafb.net/p/aaDVd171.html . But I don't think that helps much, huh. |
| 02:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, ^^ |
| 02:51.55 | werwolf | '< viva argentina JordiGH |
| 02:52.04 | JordiGH | .ar is a curious historical choice. I don't know of anything else that uses .ar. Libtool packages, perhaps? |
| 02:52.05 | PinkFreud | werwolf: yes. dpkg is the low-level package manager. The apt utilities use dpkg to do package installation. |
| 02:52.19 | JordiGH | werwolf: Viva. |
| 02:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, it's still loding it after you blacklisted it for initramfs? |
| 02:52.31 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: libraries ending in .a |
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| 02:52.50 | werwolf | JordiGH: sos argentino? :O |
| 02:52.51 | JordiGH | PinkFreud: Yeah, those are made by libtool, right? |
| 02:52.57 | Shadow_Master | yup. |
| 02:52.58 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: I think so |
| 02:53.01 | JordiGH | werwolf: Dude, .ar is a format |
| 02:53.08 | werwolf | :D |
| 02:53.12 | werwolf | sorry, never heard |
| 02:53.18 | werwolf | about it |
| 02:53.24 | heroxbd | My friends: How can I list all file names and directory on a remote FTP server? |
| 02:53.28 | Shadow_Master | CutMeOwnThroat: althugh it did spit a bunch of warnings tat me. Perhaps I did the chroot environment the wrong way. |
| 02:53.29 | JordiGH | werwolf: It's the format of .deb |
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| 02:53.52 | Shadow_Master | is it necessary to have procfs mounted? for it to work properly ? |
| 02:53.54 | werwolf | I have to read a lot before I will able to get what you say |
| 02:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I thought ace is it |
| 02:54.04 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: still, it's a hell of a lot faster than cpio, which rpm (and solaris' package manager) is based on. |
| 02:54.44 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: It's ar |
| 02:54.44 | PinkFreud | cpio is hellishly slow. |
| 02:54.50 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Try it, "ar -x foo.deb" |
| 02:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, oh, that'w what you were talking about... sorry.. getting lost in between the freezes :) |
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| 02:56.12 | Shadow_Master | ah, and the "rescue system" feature of the DVD refuses to work with the installed system for some reason |
| 02:56.39 | Shadow_Master | apparently it doesn't automatically determine whether the partitions contain EXT2 or journalled filesystems |
| 02:57.06 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: what was it that you thought you saw in dmesg? |
| 02:57.25 | fantomas | Does any1 use enlightenment? I've just compiled e17 and first run it. I don't understand how to change the way it works with Xinerama. It maximizes windows on BOTH my monitors while I want to have separate desktops for my screens. |
| 02:57.38 | PinkFreud | fantomas: sorry, any1 isn't here right now. |
| 02:57.42 | Shadow_Master | it seems that the DVD image got an update in november, but I'll spened another half---year downloading / updating it, even with jigdo :( |
| 02:57.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, "REISERFS: abort (device sdg1): Journal write error in flush_commit_list" and similarly scary stuff - but sdg was the external disk I connected... |
| 02:58.01 | CheeToS | can anyone tell me why debian-installer is seemingly ignoring my preseed stuff? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2270/bootinfo.txt |
| 02:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and disconnected), so while problematic, it's not the problem (and not my current disks that got corrupted) |
| 02:58.36 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: ahhh. |
| 02:58.38 | fantomas | CheeToS: use 'anyone' word is prohibited on this channel, ask PinkFreud for details |
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| 02:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:59.31 | PinkFreud | fantomas: no, but if you're too lazy to type 'anyone', I suspect people will be too lazy to help you :) |
| 02:59.33 | fantomas | So, can enlightenment actually work with Xinerama? |
| 02:59.35 | Shadow_Master | otherwise, um, is it possible to skip udevd and get an usable system? I haven't ever worked with the initramfs-provided system directly |
| 02:59.59 | Shadow_Master | it s udevd what fails after a ~ 10 minutes lock following the kernel oops. |
| 02:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so, as anyone isn't allowed... fantomas can you tell me where my freezers come from |
| 03:00.01 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: *ponder* |
| 03:00.09 | fantomas | PinkFreud: anyone. |
| 03:00.22 | CheeToS | fantomas: I didn't see that in the channel guidelines, but I will remove it to humor you :) |
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| 03:00.36 | CheeToS | why is debian-installer seemingly ignoring my preseed stuff? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2270/bootinfo.txt |
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| 03:01.59 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: when you see the 'wai' field jump in dstat, do you see any changes in the other fields? |
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| 03:02.38 | PinkFreud | fantomas: congratulations. |
| 03:02.53 | fantomas | PinkFreud: you are welcome! |
| 03:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, it deliberately stopped a second ago |
| 03:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, there we go again |
| 03:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 03:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "write 20M" |
| 03:04.23 | PinkFreud | that's a bit of data :) |
| 03:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually funny |
| 03:04.55 | PinkFreud | sounds like it *is* i/o that's causing the load. |
| 03:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait 76 -> write 17M ... shortly before wait 44, write 57M |
| 03:05.07 | PinkFreud | yep. |
| 03:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
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| 03:05.30 | PinkFreud | so the question is - what's writing so much data? |
| 03:06.17 | Vi^3PP | i am trying to use kaffeine which worked the other day no problems... now i get an error no matter what file i try to play loading of player part xinepart failed |
| 03:06.37 | werwolf | CPU policy frecuency not supported, MY 1.6GHz runs only 1.25 any idea please? |
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| 03:08.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't see anything overly suspicious in sof | egrep 'PID|[0-9]w' |
| 03:08.20 | stoned | Vi^3PP, try something else for a second. run alsaconf (it will unload all snd modules and kill all apps using the sound) and reload the modules |
| 03:08.22 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: might want to check the output of 'ps ax' and pay attention to the STAT field. |
| 03:08.36 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: look for processes in the 'D' state |
| 03:09.01 | stoned | Vi^3PP, after that play something |
| 03:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.13 | PinkFreud | amusing. |
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| 03:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
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| 03:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 03:11.27 | Vi^3PP | stoned, well shit that worked |
| 03:11.34 | Vi^3PP | ty |
| 03:11.36 | stoned | yw |
| 03:11.48 | stoned | use mplayer instead. |
| 03:11.50 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: here's a stupid queestion... |
| 03:11.57 | Vi^3PP | i use mplayer for my tunes |
| 03:12.07 | Vi^3PP | i use kaffeine for vids |
| 03:12.20 | stoned | well you are strange |
| 03:12.22 | stoned | but whaetver |
| 03:12.24 | stoned | to each their own |
| 03:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes? |
| 03:12.29 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: take a look at /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages - are those sdg1-related errors still appearing? |
| 03:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 03:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I disconnected the disk |
| 03:12.47 | stoned | I would specifically use mplayer for videos |
| 03:12.52 | stoned | heh :) |
| 03:12.54 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: I know. That's why I want you to take a look at the logs. |
| 03:13.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 03:13.10 | PinkFreud | They *shouldn't* be - but I wonder if they are. |
| 03:13.22 | stoned | !time |
| 03:13.22 | dpkg | well, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.12.27 3:13:22, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 03:13.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 03:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I hadn't looked at syslog yet |
| 03:13.48 | stoned | so |
| 03:13.55 | stoned | where are all the people? |
| 03:14.08 | PinkFreud | stoned: over there. |
| 03:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do have an rsync runnig every 20 minutes |
| 03:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that shouldn't make freezes, though |
| 03:14.41 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: ahhh. that's interesting to note. is it writing data locally, or remotely? |
| 03:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | locally... it's making a copy of my mail on a remote host |
| 03:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't be busy at all |
| 03:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably something extremely stupid |
| 03:16.13 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: you might try stopping the rsync for a while to see if that clears things up |
| 03:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it generally is if you're searching so long |
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| 03:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not running right now |
| 03:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd have seen it in ps |
| 03:17.15 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: also, what does the filesystem rsync is writing to reside on? RAID array? LVM? AoE device? NFS? Some combination of the above? |
| 03:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | there! there's a package iotp |
| 03:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | iotop |
| 03:19.00 | PinkFreud | heh, that might help |
| 03:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like the right badger to send for this |
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| 03:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also an iftop, btw |
| 03:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, it's nice |
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| 03:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | omg |
| 03:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | great... it was excessively stupid |
| 03:23.19 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: yes? |
| 03:23.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | one could even say I was stupid |
| 03:23.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I also had a chmod -R a+rwX . running on a nearly empty dir |
| 03:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it was running all 10 seconds for the last couple of days |
| 03:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | today I decided, that once a minute is enough |
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| 03:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and that I wanted one directory higher to also be included)... |
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| 03:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but because of some confusing softlinks I did... |
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| 03:24.55 | PinkFreud | heh, oops |
| 03:25.00 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 03:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | the "directory higher" was not the one I thought, but my 50GB home directory |
| 03:25.25 | PinkFreud | whoops. |
| 03:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | my |
| 03:25.51 | PinkFreud | so you were running chmod on a few thousand files once a minute. |
| 03:25.54 | PinkFreud | yep, that'd do it. |
| 03:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 03:26.01 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 03:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | to speak with dilbert |
| 03:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | " have you ruled out stupidity yet"? |
| 03:26.15 | PinkFreud | lol |
| 03:26.15 | sameer | hey guys i'm having issues w/ vmware. can't get vwmare server up and running in a browser (it fails to connect to X). i'm a noob, can anyone help? |
| 03:27.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, and of course I knew about the chmod... but I supposed it ran on about 10 files - it's of course not even writing to the files |
| 03:27.24 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, but it's writing to the filesystem, which in turn writes to the disk :) |
| 03:27.43 | PinkFreud | sameer: vmware != debian, unfortunately. :) |
| 03:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes, but the amount of data/file is minimal |
| 03:28.05 | PinkFreud | sameer: vmware is a commercial product. you might try asking the company for help or try one of their forums. |
| 03:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | vmware in a browser? |
| 03:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, but I guess it adds up a bit if you run it on 220865 files :-/ |
| 03:28.53 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: slightly. :) |
| 03:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I ran that, because I'm sharing that directory with someone via samba... |
| 03:29.26 | sameer | PinkFreud thx, i'll try another forum. i'm only using it as a stepping stone to virtualbox so i can use an existing xp install. thanks |
| 03:29.41 | PinkFreud | sameer: good luck |
| 03:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, what are you really trying to do? |
| 03:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | there really is a "vmware-package" thing in contrib... |
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| 03:31.56 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not a debian-supported piece of software, though. :) |
| 03:32.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's the open source variant open-vm-tools |
| 03:32.11 | PinkFreud | nods |
| 03:32.16 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat i really just want to run an existing xp install in a virtual machine, preferably virtualbox |
| 03:32.19 | PinkFreud | haven't tried that yet, actually. |
| 03:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also openbox :) |
| 03:32.50 | PinkFreud | sameer: you might have trouble doing that, though. Windows tends to install drivers for the machine it's running on. |
| 03:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, then do that... |
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| 03:33.13 | PinkFreud | running as a VM effectively changes the hardware presented to the guest. you might be better off just doing a fresh install. |
| 03:33.18 | Crak | hi |
| 03:34.01 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat i didn't think virtualbox could do that... |
| 03:34.09 | Crak | anyone knows a software for downloading from rapidshare or megaupload? |
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| 03:34.23 | dios_mio | do we type init 4 to go bacl to console? |
| 03:34.24 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: uh, openbox is a windowmanager. |
| 03:34.26 | dios_mio | back* |
| 03:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, oh, ... existing install... I don't think any can do that |
| 03:34.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, hehe... was just testing you guys :-P |
| 03:34.58 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat vmware can apparently, and virtualbox can use vmware's images, from what i understand |
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| 03:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, PinkFreud is 100% correct there... your virtual hardware will never match your real hardware |
| 03:35.33 | PinkFreud | sameer: some of the higher-end vmware products have limited ability to virtualize an existing physical system, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to find that easy with vmware server, or with any of the free VMs. |
| 03:35.38 | dios_mio | how can i close X and go to console? |
| 03:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, so if you manage to do that you're in for endless trouble |
| 03:36.03 | werwolf | ctrl + alt + F1 ? |
| 03:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dios_mio, there are no different runlevels in debian by default - you can stop gdm/kdm if you like |
| 03:36.24 | newsense | cntrl+alt+backspace |
| 03:36.29 | dios_mio | werwolf, I will run an NVIDIA driver program, so I need to shut down X completely |
| 03:36.30 | newsense | if ya wanna kill x |
| 03:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dios_mio, or set up your own runlevel... but by default, all runlevls are X |
| 03:36.40 | werwolf | aha |
| 03:36.42 | dios_mio | CutMeOwnThroat, I see |
| 03:36.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, that won't work, X respawns automatically |
| 03:36.45 | PinkFreud | dios_mio: alt+ctrl+backspace typically ends an X session. However, if you're running a login manager (gdm/xdm/...), you'll likely just see a new X session start |
| 03:36.56 | dios_mio | PinkFreud, right |
| 03:36.57 | werwolf | I use as I told and then init 3 |
| 03:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dios_mio, so you can do /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm or whatever you're running) |
| 03:37.09 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, oh does it thought only if a dm is running |
| 03:37.15 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat i'd thought this looked promising: http://www.squidoo.com/use-existing-windows-installation-and-apps-in-ubuntu |
| 03:37.15 | dios_mio | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
| 03:37.32 | PinkFreud | dios_mio: in which case, you might want to switch to a console via ctrl-alt-F1, log in as root, and do /etc/init.d/gdm stop, assuming you're using gdm for your login manager |
| 03:37.39 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat but i'm new to all this... |
| 03:37.40 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 03:37.44 | werwolf | do you all use iceweasel? |
| 03:37.48 | werwolf | :( |
| 03:37.56 | Crak | anyone knows a software for downloading from rapidshare or megaupload? |
| 03:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, I thought about that quite a lot, as I've got a pretty much unused partition on my laptop with windows on it (gets booted every 5 years or so) |
| 03:38.33 | PinkFreud | sameer: again, though, this isn't really the appropriate forum to ask about this. If you're intent on using vmware to convert an existing OS install to VM, I'd start by utilizing vmware's forums for help. |
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| 03:38.54 | raz_ | !seen tzanger |
| 03:38.55 | dpkg | raz_: i haven't seen 'tzanger' |
| 03:39.01 | sameer | PinkFreud yeah i totally understand. thanks |
| 03:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, hm... perhaps windows hardware profiles do present a solution... I dunno, my laptop still had/has... umm.. don't remember... :) 2000 perhaps |
| 03:39.16 | PinkFreud | np |
| 03:40.31 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat yeah looking forward to total freedom from the doze |
| 03:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, heh, then just delete it :) |
| 03:40.59 | werwolf | ok, good nicht / buanas noches / Gute nacht / dobrou noc :D |
| 03:41.11 | werwolf | *night |
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| 03:42.46 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat will have a serious party on that fine day |
| 03:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, hmm... if xp really supports running on two totally different hardwares, this might work out... not sure |
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| 03:44.18 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat thx, will see, checking in the vmware channel now. |
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| 03:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if qemu can do that |
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| 03:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not |
| 03:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might still try... after making a backup |
| 03:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | "qemu -drive file=/dev/sdX,index=0,media=disk,format=raw"? |
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| 03:49.25 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat still no response from the vmware folks. thx for your thoughts, much appreciated. i'm off now, spent more hours on this than i care to count! |
| 03:50.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, seems you're right... things have changed a bit with xp |
| 03:50.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-users/2008-January/002683.html |
| 03:50.22 | PinkFreud | sameer: trust me - you're better off doing a fresh install inside the VM |
| 03:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots of stuff like that around |
| 03:51.00 | PinkFreud | sameer: I've seen XP BSOD on boot after swapping a hard disk between two slightly different models of Dell Optiplex workstation. |
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| 03:51.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | the guys agree that it would kill the xp installation, though (or so it looks) |
| 03:51.50 | sameer | PinkFreud thx for the heads up. |
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| 03:51.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-users/2008-January/002689.html |
| 03:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | kvm -no-reboot -usb -m 512 -cdrom /dev/cdrom -hda /dev/sda |
| 03:52.07 | PinkFreud | sameer: radically changing the hardware XP sees never works for the best :) |
| 03:52.13 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat thx, yeah looks nasty |
| 03:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... but it's roughly the same we have here |
| 03:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | one guy says he's done it for the last two days without problem |
| 03:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | while evyone says "impossible" |
| 03:53.05 | sameer | PinkFreud well changing it to see no hardware at all would work for the best for me, if i could get by without one of its stupid apps |
| 03:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sameer, you should try that kvm command I copy&pasted from the mail |
| 03:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | that looks rather simple |
| 03:54.29 | sameer | CutMeOwnThroat ok i'll check it out. off to bed now. thx for the help guys, much appreciated |
| 03:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an interesting thread, definitely |
| 03:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night sameer |
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| 03:55.14 | terli | while true; do read line ; echo "$line" > /dev/audio ; echo "$line"; done |
| 03:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | kvm is also in debian, so that's good as well :) |
| 03:56.02 | terli | dribbler |
| 03:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | terli, are you trying to tell us something? |
| 03:56.11 | terli | dribbler my script isn't working |
| 03:56.20 | terli | I need help coercing it into doing my will |
| 03:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably depends on what you want it to do, eh? |
| 03:58.02 | terli | well as can be seen its just supposed to copy the input to /dev/audio |
| 03:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a bash version of tee |
| 03:58.05 | terli | line by line |
| 03:58.14 | terli | well yes, tee would not work |
| 03:58.17 | terli | I'm on bash |
| 03:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say it does that |
| 03:58.30 | terli | parallels workstation forced me to over-ride dash with bash |
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| 04:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is more for #bash |
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| 04:00.20 | terli | I tried there |
| 04:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and? |
| 04:00.27 | terli | they don't know what I'm doing wrong. |
| 04:00.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're smart |
| 04:00.48 | terli | echo "$line" > /dev/audio just isn't having the desired effect |
| 04:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | using the external /bin/echo works slightly better |
| 04:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually make that much better |
| 04:01.36 | dios_mio | how can i tell if i am using alsa? |
| 04:01.38 | terli | still won't be doing it right |
| 04:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no |
| 04:02.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | terli, your example actually works for me |
| 04:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dios_mio, lsmod|grep snd |
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| 04:02.27 | drraid | Where is the WPA supplicant config file on Debian? I am aware of /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa_supplicant.conf, however this doesn't appear to be for wpa_supplicant as much as dbus. |
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| 04:02.32 | terli | could it be a combination of wubi, replacing sh with bash, and using gnome-terminal> |
| 04:02.57 | dios_mio | CutMeOwnThroat: I got snd modules installed but I was wondering if they are installed by alsa or by the kernel |
| 04:02.57 | dmoerner | drraid, it can be placed in an arbitrary location |
| 04:02.57 | abusenode | haha dbus |
| 04:02.58 | abusenode | did that ridiculous thing actually succeed. |
| 04:03.04 | dmoerner | the standard location is /etc/wpa_supplicant |
| 04:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dios_mio, alsa is in the kernel |
| 04:03.07 | drraid | dmoerner: i know, and you can use -c etc etc. but where is the default |
| 04:03.08 | drraid | ahh ok |
| 04:03.10 | dios_mio | CutMeOwnThroat: oh I see |
| 04:03.33 | drraid | dmoerner: if there is no config file there, does that mean there likely is no default config file on my system? |
| 04:03.34 | terli | 'while true; do read line ; /bin/echo "$line" > /dev/audio ; /bin/echo "$line"; done' echo's the line, but the signal it sends to audio is 0/""/null : nothing. |
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| 04:03.52 | drraid | dmoerner: do you know if wpa_supplicant will be rf noisy in its default state? |
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| 04:04.06 | dmoerner | drraid, no, i don't know what you are asking either |
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| 04:04.20 | drraid | dmoener: I *really* dont like my system broadcasting or doing anything wirelessly until I am logged in and aware |
| 04:04.22 | Ian_Daniher|XO | w3m, a terminal web browser supports mouse clicks but I can't seem to get it working. What settings do I need to tweak to get this working? It also supports images on the CLI, but I have no clue if I can get them to work in xterm. Can anyone shed some light on the matter for me? |
| 04:04.40 | drraid | dmoener: So I am more asking if it is trying to perform any sort of wireless action while it is starting up? |
| 04:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | terli, perhaps "echo -n" |
| 04:07.12 | terli | that silencies it. |
| 04:07.47 | terli | echo "$line" > /dev/audio sends 0 , echo -n "$line" > /dev/audio doesn't do anything. |
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| 04:14.50 | Ian_Daniher|XO | let me rephrase that: how do I enable mouse in xterm? |
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| 04:21.15 | JordiGH | Ian_Daniher|XO: Which xterm? Just plain xterm? |
| 04:23.05 | Ian_Daniher|XO | JordiGH: yeah, just plain ole xterm |
| 04:25.03 | JordiGH | Ian_Daniher|XO: Yeah, I don't know why I even asked, no clue. Your googling is as good as mine. :-/ |
| 04:25.39 | serre | terli, how big is "$line" compared to the sound card driver's buffer? |
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| 04:28.41 | terli | I don't know |
| 04:28.44 | terli | its integrated |
| 04:28.57 | terli | i seem to have a problem echoing text into /dev/audio |
| 04:29.20 | terli | while true; do read x; echo $x > /dev/audio ; done |
| 04:29.58 | serre | terli, you are sending ascii text to /dev/audio? |
| 04:30.41 | terli | trying to |
| 04:30.51 | terli | should I perform some kind of conversion on it first? |
| 04:31.22 | Tekno | :DD |
| 04:31.24 | Tekno | propably yes |
| 04:33.23 | serre | terli, look at festival. |
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| 04:34.51 | Tekno | do you know screensaver which doesnt use much power? |
| 04:35.17 | Tekno | even GLText (clock...) seems to cause cpu usage |
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| 04:37.30 | terli | serre, I just want it to whine at me |
| 04:37.32 | terli | not talk to me |
| 04:39.08 | terli | waite |
| 04:39.37 | terli | cat this > /dev/audio does differently than cat thisp > /dev/audio due to string length |
| 04:39.51 | terli | how about converting ascii into just plain old binary |
| 04:39.55 | terli | or decimal |
| 04:39.58 | terli | and feeding it in |
| 04:42.11 | phorce1 | hmmm, wonder what's going on here: sshd[5545]: segfault at 0 ip 080a7f53 sp bff8341c error 4 in sshd[8048000+c5000] |
| 04:44.03 | phorce1 | ahhh, nevermind. remote host key has changed. And that causes a segfault? yuck |
| 04:46.32 | SOUL_OF_R00T | someone here have experience with lenny 64 in one phenom 4x processor ??? tanks... |
| 04:49.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tekno, configure it to show a blank screen... |
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| 04:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | terli, how about feeding wav's in |
| 04:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, haha... that's quotable :) |
| 04:52.28 | terli | EH |
| 04:52.36 | terli | I could feed anything into it |
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| 04:53.17 | terli | what I really want to do is have a program that captures keystrokes and turns them into gentle, harmonic musical tones that bounce off my eardrums like waterdrops in a tin dish |
| 04:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, what do you want it to do? afaik, it *is* enabled... it's just up to the programs running inside to make anything different out of it than copy&paste |
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| 04:53.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | terli, #miracle? |
| 04:54.06 | Ian_Daniher|XO | CutMeOwnThroat: the software was compiled with mouse support and mouse s upport is enabled in the config file but I can't do anything in xterm via mouse |
| 04:54.12 | terli | dribbler, you are a wizard's best help. |
| 04:54.24 | terli | Now, go back to selling food made from nothing. |
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| 04:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it |
| 04:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's DIBBLER! |
| 04:55.57 | terli | yes yes |
| 04:55.59 | terli | I know |
| 04:56.04 | terli | dibbler dribbler |
| 04:56.08 | terli | same thing to me |
| 04:56.41 | terli | always a wizards best helper |
| 04:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, works splenditly for me |
| 04:56.51 | terli | particularily when you want meat pie in soup |
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| 04:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, I just don't like it, because it breaks copy&paste |
| 04:57.39 | Ian_Daniher|XO | :/ |
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| 04:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, what I'm saying is, that it *is* enabled in Debian... |
| 04:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there's anything to enable... not so sure |
| 05:00.18 | ubd | hello i am using a pentium m 1.6 laptop. with 750 mb ram. the pc is pretty slow. i believe it is because of the hard disk. but it may be ram or cpu of course how can i learn what is slowing the pc. |
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| 05:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 05:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | was trying to install alpine from backports |
| 05:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 05:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:10.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd, painfully :) |
| 05:10.14 | CellKill | CutMeOwnThroat, It's probably trying to downgrade something outdated as a dependency |
| 05:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd, use hdparm to check if DMA is enabled, look at top, there is also iotop |
| 05:10.54 | ubd | alright |
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| 05:11.23 | CellKill | ubd, you could also check some crude read tests, hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| 05:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope |
| 05:11.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/f151e50d5 |
| 05:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the funny thing |
| 05:12.28 | CellKill | probably something to do with libc6 |
| 05:12.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 05:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're right |
| 05:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was the big wobbler I've overlooked |
| 05:13.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 05:13.24 | CellKill | wobbler? |
| 05:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 05:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ignore that :) |
| 05:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I just see... this system still thinks it's sarge |
| 05:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit, how can that be |
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| 05:14.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/debian_version -> 3.1 |
| 05:14.19 | ubd | cell kill whats your read performance |
| 05:14.37 | CellKill | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:14.37 | CellKill | 4.0 |
| 05:15.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I know... etch == 4.0 |
| 05:15.25 | dios_mio | debian comes with firefox 2.. why? |
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| 05:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's *weird* I remember updating this system... |
| 05:16.07 | CellKill | ubd, http://pastebin.com/m55193c18 |
| 05:16.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps that was from potato to sarge? :) |
| 05:16.30 | CellKill | check what u used in apt-sources |
| 05:16.34 | CellKill | apt.sources* |
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| 05:16.58 | ubd | hmm is that a raid 0? |
| 05:17.03 | CellKill | no |
| 05:17.36 | ubd | ill check mine in a sec then compare |
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| 05:22.10 | ubd | 82 MB in 3.06 seconds = 26.76 MB/sec, does the hdd bottleneck |
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| 05:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ubd, oh yeah, bonnie++ for a more serious test on hardware performance |
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| 05:30.51 | ubd | Writing with putc()...Can't putc() - disk full? hehe |
| 05:30.53 | ArtVanda1ae | Hi all, I have a several 100 GB of files to backup, but no one hard drive big enough to hold all the files. Is there a way with cp/rsync to copy files, starting with, say A-H, etc, then files starting I-Z, etc? |
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| 05:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVanda1ae, you can do some directories... |
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| 05:36.30 | ArtVanda1ae | CutMeOwnThroat: I might try that, thanks |
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| 05:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, thx for th ideas and keeping me company while searching :) |
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| 05:39.57 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: no problem :) |
| 05:40.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I did say it'd be something stupid :) |
| 05:42.08 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 05:42.26 | PinkFreud | anyway, bedtime for me |
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| 05:44.33 | ubd | http://pastebin.com/m5e4ec00f |
| 05:44.50 | ubd | who si gonna comment on this |
| 05:44.50 | hobbes006 | hi there, how can i change my folder permissions from "rwxr-sr-x" to "rwxr-xr-x |
| 05:44.56 | hobbes006 | "? |
| 05:45.02 | SQlvpapir | search google for chmod calculator |
| 05:45.15 | SQlvpapir | cant be arsed to explain file permissions right now |
| 05:45.19 | JordiGH | Omg. |
| 05:45.23 | JordiGH | Calculator? |
| 05:45.34 | JordiGH | Can't you count to 7? |
| 05:46.33 | hobbes006 | erm.. i know how to use the calculator and i can count to 7 :) |
| 05:46.36 | hobbes006 | my problem is |
| 05:46.41 | hobbes006 | i dont know what "s" is about? |
| 05:46.46 | hobbes006 | first time i am encountering this. |
| 05:46.53 | hobbes006 | "rwxr-sr-x" |
| 05:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | suid |
| 05:47.16 | hobbes006 | huh? |
| 05:47.23 | hobbes006 | could you elaborate pls? |
| 05:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it a directory or a program |
| 05:47.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... program |
| 05:48.05 | davenull | hobbes006: It forces the file to be run as the owner if it is run by a member of, in your case, the group. |
| 05:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | programs will be run with the group of the program instead of the group of the one running the program |
| 05:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | "chmod g-s" would change it |
| 05:48.47 | hobbes006 | AHhhhh |
| 05:48.54 | hobbes006 | that's what i was looking for on google :) |
| 05:49.00 | hobbes006 | "chmod g-s" would change it - Thanks! |
| 05:49.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you probably don't want that |
| 05:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | depending on what it is |
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| 05:49.25 | Mvdl | hola |
| 05:49.28 | Mvdl | buenas |
| 05:49.33 | Mvdl | como estan |
| 05:49.38 | Mvdl | necesito ayuda |
| 05:50.08 | Mvdl | quisiera saber si alguein podria recomendarme alguna distribucion de debian para instalar |
| 05:50.22 | Mvdl | en una pc pentium II 150 mgz |
| 05:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !es |
| 05:50.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:50.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:50.32 | Mvdl | 300 en ram |
| 05:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry if it was not spanish but a similar-looking language |
| 05:51.13 | shovi | hey guys |
| 05:51.16 | kozerd | seems español |
| 05:51.29 | shovi | in gnome, my networkmanager isnt picking up any wireless |
| 05:51.37 | shovi | but i can iwconfig in terminal just fine |
| 05:52.10 | shovi | any idea why nm is like that |
| 05:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | kozerd, I don't have enough understanding to tell... so I'll take your word for it ;) |
| 05:52.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe.. btw, I like the euphemism " there you will get much more help." |
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| 05:53.53 | craigevil | shovi: network-mangler is buggy try using wifi-radar or wicd |
| 05:54.10 | shovi | i did use wicd |
| 05:54.14 | JordiGH | Huh, why aren't I seeing the server messages here? |
| 05:54.20 | shovi | hmm |
| 05:54.44 | shovi | how do i remove networkmanager ? |
| 05:54.47 | shovi | is it nm-applet |
| 05:55.30 | dmoerner | network-manager network-manager-gnome |
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| 05:57.04 | shovi | ok |
| 05:57.15 | shovi | one more question |
| 05:58.14 | Tekno | can you name program which gives information about processes |
| 05:58.15 | shovi | during installation, i use wifi net install and entered the essid and wpa, but then ever since i have not had to enter the wpa password when connecting... is there some bad setting in my router or is it saved in debian somewhere |
| 05:58.16 | Tekno | must be gui |
| 05:58.19 | Tekno | not termina |
| 05:58.38 | shovi | i connect with terminal |
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| 05:59.27 | liable | shovi: which installer did you use? the eee one? |
| 05:59.41 | craigevil | Tekno: ksysguard gnome has something similiar |
| 05:59.44 | shovi | ya |
| 06:00.14 | dmoerner | shovi, its probably in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:00.27 | liable | shovi: ok, and you have which model? |
| 06:00.31 | shovi | 900ha |
| 06:00.55 | shovi | i have this debian installed on a usb hd, im gonna try it on my asus g1s(im on eee now) |
| 06:01.04 | shovi | want to get my wireless working on both |
| 06:01.13 | shovi | can i have 2 wifi drivers |
| 06:01.16 | shovi | used interchangbly |
| 06:01.33 | liable | shovi: does the interface appear? |
| 06:01.42 | CheeToS | so close to keyboardless install |
| 06:01.45 | shovi | interface? |
| 06:01.52 | CheeToS | ssh is running and everything, just need to fix my network settings |
| 06:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh "must be gui" |
| 06:02.44 | shovi | what do u mean liable |
| 06:02.50 | shovi | my wifi interface? |
| 06:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd say "top |xless -f" :-P |
| 06:03.39 | shovi | anyways, brb sec |
| 06:03.47 | liable | oh, i misunderstood, your wifi works ok, you want to make it work for two different cards? |
| 06:03.59 | shovi | well it dosnt appear at aall on network manager |
| 06:04.00 | shovi | but yes |
| 06:04.05 | shovi | im gonna check it now |
| 06:04.14 | shovi | i had to do terminal connect |
| 06:04.37 | liable | look at the NM docs, you need to comment it from interfaces file |
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| 06:11.00 | Shovi | hmm, couldnt connect |
| 06:11.02 | Shovi | on g1s |
| 06:11.08 | Shovi | it did show wifi0 tho |
| 06:12.24 | liable | wifi0 is a master device |
| 06:12.35 | Shovi | it uses iwlwifi 4965 |
| 06:12.36 | Shovi | tho |
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| 06:13.56 | liable | you should have an ath0 and a wlan0 plus wifi0 and wifi1 |
| 06:14.12 | Shovi | wlan0 ya |
| 06:14.17 | Shovi | and ath0 yes |
| 06:14.19 | Shovi | when im on the eee |
| 06:14.24 | Shovi | but i was on the g1s |
| 06:14.24 | liable | thats the one you need to configure |
| 06:14.36 | Shovi | well on the eee, the wifi works fine, in terminal |
| 06:14.52 | Shovi | but i want the wifi to work on the g1s as well |
| 06:16.57 | liable | and the g1s has a 4965 card? |
| 06:17.15 | Shovi | yah i think so |
| 06:17.47 | liable | look in your /etc/network/interfaces file on the eee, and copy it to the g1s, but change ath0 to wlan0 |
| 06:18.07 | Shovi | http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Asus+G1S |
| 06:18.18 | Shovi | it says 4965 |
| 06:19.14 | Shovi | well its one linux copy |
| 06:19.14 | liable | what does lspci say ? |
| 06:19.17 | Shovi | its on a usb hard drive |
| 06:19.21 | Shovi | i use it on both |
| 06:19.29 | Shovi | so i want it to be able to use both wifis |
| 06:20.10 | Shovi | is that easy to do |
| 06:20.20 | liable | thats ok, you can just copy the stanza for ath0, make it wlan0 and if either isnt there, it will fail to configure that device, no problem |
| 06:20.35 | liable | make sure you have the firmware installed for the 4965 card |
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| 06:21.07 | Shovi | well here sec in loggin in linux |
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| 06:27.12 | Gruelius | where does the default conf file sit for things i get with apt? |
| 06:27.50 | Shovi__ | ok so i cp iwlwifi-4965-ucode /lib/firmware |
| 06:27.51 | Shovi__ | ? |
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| 06:28.53 | Shovi__ | or how do i copy it there |
| 06:29.28 | liable | there is a firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 06:29.37 | Shovi__ | http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads |
| 06:29.40 | Shovi__ | i have that one |
| 06:29.40 | liable | in non-free |
| 06:29.46 | Shovi__ | rly? |
| 06:29.48 | Shovi__ | i can sudo aptget? |
| 06:29.52 | liable | yep |
| 06:30.07 | JordiGH | Shovi__: Yeah, firmware-iwlwifi |
| 06:30.25 | Shovi__ | waoh |
| 06:30.26 | Shovi__ | cool |
| 06:30.27 | Shovi__ | lol |
| 06:30.55 | Shovi__ | ok aparently its up then |
| 06:31.09 | Shovi__ | im gonna get wicd first, cuz nwmanager is not working |
| 06:31.18 | Shovi__ | but id like to remove it first |
| 06:31.29 | Shovi__ | remove nw-appelet gnome-network-manager |
| 06:31.31 | Shovi__ | that right? |
| 06:32.21 | liable | did you reload the module? |
| 06:32.32 | liable | it needs to be reloaded to pick up the firmware |
| 06:32.47 | Shovi__ | how do u probe again? |
| 06:33.10 | liable | modprobe -r iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965 |
| 06:33.45 | Shovi__ | pok done |
| 06:33.47 | Shovi__ | ok* |
| 06:34.08 | Shovi__ | remove nm-appelet--- will that get rid of my netowrkmanager, so i can get wicd |
| 06:34.17 | Shovi__ | or if theres another one besicdes wicd |
| 06:34.17 | liable | try NM again |
| 06:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gruelius, "/etc/apt"? |
| 06:34.27 | Shovi__ | well i have the linux on my eee atm |
| 06:34.46 | Shovi__ | im on G1S on this irc |
| 06:35.10 | Gruelius | CutMeOwnThroat: I meant the original .conf files and all that for apache |
| 06:35.11 | Shovi__ | the nm doesnt see any wireless on the eEE |
| 06:35.24 | Shovi__ | which is bizzare.. |
| 06:35.28 | liable | Shovi__: thats because you havent read the docs like i told you |
| 06:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gruelius, you mentioned apache? |
| 06:36.00 | Shovi__ | sorry, what docs? im going a whole lot right now.. |
| 06:36.02 | Shovi__ | soinf |
| 06:36.05 | Shovi__ | doing |
| 06:36.08 | liable | the interface needs to be commented in interfaces file |
| 06:36.22 | liable | just the auto line iirc |
| 06:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gruelius, I'm still not sure what you mean.. you mean you changed stuff and want the original config? |
| 06:36.37 | Shovi__ | ohhhh |
| 06:36.42 | Shovi__ | ok where is it again? |
| 06:36.43 | Gruelius | yeh |
| 06:36.47 | liable | Shovi__: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 06:36.54 | liable | thats where the docs are |
| 06:37.28 | Shovi__ | o |
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| 06:39.07 | Shovi__ | ok.. |
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| 06:39.46 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.00 | liable | apt-get clean? |
| 06:40.37 | Shovi__ | /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 06:40.44 | liable | yes |
| 06:41.18 | maddash | hm, here's the analysis of what's going on inside /var: http://pastebin.com/m39d0e84f |
| 06:41.35 | maddash | which leads to the question: wtf is going on inside /var/lib? |
| 06:41.41 | Shovi__ | it says allow-hotplug ath0 |
| 06:41.51 | Shovi__ | ... |
| 06:41.58 | Gruelius | how do i reinstall a app, i deleted some config files and apt-get --reinstall wont work |
| 06:42.21 | Shovi__ | so that means it allows ath0, right? but if so, then why dosnt it show anything in the GUI |
| 06:42.29 | liable | Shovi__: comment that line. i'm not sure how that stanza affects NM. does it mention it in the docs? |
| 06:42.50 | Shovi__ | says auto lo |
| 06:42.50 | maddash | Gruelius: erm, purge the package with aptitude, and then install again? |
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| 06:43.03 | liable | Shovi__: we are only concered with ath0 |
| 06:43.11 | Shovi__ | ok |
| 06:43.37 | Gruelius | maddash: thanks |
| 06:43.59 | Shovi__ | i think it means this device is managed with NM |
| 06:44.01 | walter_eco | guess everyones pretty burned out on questions about whether its hanging on configuring apt or just takes a long time on the install |
| 06:44.15 | liable | Shovi__: what? |
| 06:44.21 | liable | !think |
| 06:44.21 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 06:45.18 | Shovi__ | im trying! im looking at the readme.debian also, does the ssid and wpa disqualify it |
| 06:45.50 | liable | Shovi__: try commentingthe entire block, then restart NM |
| 06:47.50 | Shovi__ | Ok, liable, I # each line, and then restarted |
| 06:48.01 | Shovi__ | but i dont see any wireless networks |
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| 06:48.18 | liable | does the iface show in NM? |
| 06:48.59 | Shovi__ | in NM. waoh |
| 06:49.06 | Shovi__ | they just appeared ! |
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| 06:50.36 | Shovi__ | now that i commented all that out, it works |
| 06:50.55 | Shovi__ | Im going to try on the G1S now that i got that firmware |
| 06:50.59 | Shovi__ | brb, and thx alot! |
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| 06:53.55 | shovi | awesome, works on here too |
| 06:54.37 | shovi | how do I unlock the keyring.. not have it prompt me every time though? |
| 06:54.54 | liable | it should save it |
| 06:55.06 | shovi | it prompts me every time for the pw to default keyring |
| 06:55.06 | liable | but dont forget you are using a different interface |
| 06:57.19 | shovi | right now it unlocks when user logs in, but I have it so I auto login |
| 06:57.27 | shovi | but I want it to not prompt me |
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| 06:58.02 | hugh | buddies, i want to do some translations to zh_CN for debian. where can I get a howto teaching me to do that? |
| 06:58.42 | liable | hugh: start at wiki.debian.org, see if theres a i8ln (or whatever it is) section |
| 06:59.01 | liable | otherwise, try the mailing list |
| 06:59.40 | hugh | liable: thank you. i will visit them now |
| 06:59.52 | shovi | hmm, why doesnt install thunderbird work |
| 07:00.05 | craigevil | thunderbird=icedove |
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| 07:02.21 | hoxu | it's thunderbird in etch |
| 07:02.22 | shovi | the add/remove isnt even working |
| 07:02.25 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 07:02.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 07:02.47 | shovi | sry |
| 07:02.48 | hugh | what's the differences between i18n & l10n? |
| 07:03.19 | shovi | The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct. |
| 07:03.36 | liable | hugh: l10n is what i meant :) |
| 07:03.36 | shovi | http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 07:03.36 | shovi | http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian/dists/lenny/main/source/Sources.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 07:03.52 | liable | try another mirror |
| 07:03.55 | hugh | liable: tks |
| 07:04.35 | shovi | any usa mirror recomandations? |
| 07:05.00 | Gruelius | apt wont recreate the /etc/apache2 folder for apache2 after it got deleted manually by my stupid self lol, can someone help? |
| 07:05.12 | hoxu | !tell Gruelius about confmiss |
| 07:05.21 | liable | Gruelius: crete the dir manually, then.. |
| 07:05.25 | liable | !confmiss |
| 07:05.26 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 07:05.51 | shovi | wow! it selected a server in NZ |
| 07:05.52 | shovi | im in usa |
| 07:05.56 | shovi | with auto select |
| 07:06.15 | craigevil | shovi: just use the main us mirror, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 07:06.23 | Gruelius | thanks |
| 07:06.29 | craigevil | i live in us and use a nl mirror its usually faster |
| 07:08.44 | shovi | bleh |
| 07:08.54 | shovi | im using main server now and i still get this |
| 07:09.04 | shovi | Could not download all repository indexes |
| 07:09.05 | shovi | The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct. |
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| 07:09.35 | lummox | network died, hehe |
| 07:10.27 | Gruelius | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall apache2 doesnt work for me |
| 07:11.35 | craigevil | shovi: works fine here are you sure your internet connection is working, just ran apt-get update with no problems |
| 07:11.43 | lummox | Gruelius, what do you want to do, Gruelius? |
| 07:12.11 | Gruelius | i deleted the conf files manaully and im trying to reinstall apache2 but ito wont recreate the directory |
| 07:12.28 | lummox | hm |
| 07:12.43 | lummox | Does it say it wont install the package? |
| 07:12.57 | stew | Gruelius: the configuration is actually in the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
| 07:13.04 | Gruelius | ah right, thanks |
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| 07:16.11 | shovi | If I install a nvidia restricted driver on this linux, will it know to pick it out when its on my g1s and not my eee |
| 07:16.15 | shovi | or will there be problems |
| 07:19.52 | shovi | icedove dosnt have tray? |
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| 07:24.49 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
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| 07:29.44 | Gruelius | im still having trouble, apache i reinstalled it with the config files and it doesnt work says theres a issue with the default config |
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| 07:29.56 | Gruelius | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 07:30.32 | Sertse | how do I remove the install recommends behaviour that's now standard? from the CLI. |
| 07:31.04 | hoxu | Gruelius, maybe you could purge the package and reinstall it |
| 07:31.21 | Gruelius | done it like a billion times but ill do it again :p |
| 07:31.30 | hoxu | !tell Sertse about apt recommends |
| 07:31.39 | Gruelius | aptitude purge apache2 apache2.2-common ? |
| 07:33.48 | hoxu | Gruelius, that should be enough I think |
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| 07:35.50 | macjason | guys i just got a laptop and installed ubuntu .. it can't see my wifi .. any ideas ? |
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| 07:36.40 | cahoot | try #ubuntu |
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| 07:39.41 | shovi | whats the package for flash |
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| 07:42.14 | butterz | adobe-flashplugin |
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| 07:43.01 | butterz | or flashplugin-nonfree - depending on what youre using |
| 07:43.57 | shovi | iceweas |
| 07:44.16 | davenull | How many people here run Debian as strictly a server, if I may ask that ? |
| 07:44.26 | cahoot | !polls |
| 07:44.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:45.02 | davenull | cahoot: :( I was just curious. |
| 07:45.04 | davenull | :) |
| 07:45.05 | shovi | which flash is right for iceweale] |
| 07:45.46 | cahoot | davenull: think about it - what kind of answer would you get? |
| 07:46.57 | davenull | cahoot: An answer that would allow me to start a discussion, with other people that use Debian as a headless/remote server :) |
| 07:47.26 | DanDare | is this case reformulate your qeustion ;) |
| 07:47.49 | davenull | cahoot: Very similar to the one me and you are having, but I do not know if you are on of said users. |
| 07:48.46 | davenull | s/on/one/ |
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| 07:51.12 | davenull | Not everything in a support channel has to be entirely based on helping fix issues, a little discusion about what people do with it can lead to others finding useful ideas and hints that would not have come up during a Q&A session. |
| 07:51.22 | davenull | Not meaning to bother though :) |
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| 07:53.28 | cahoot | davenull: ok you asked how many do this or other - expect 700 or so replies? |
| 07:53.29 | pif | I'm using debian as embedded OS in a blowjob machine, (i.e. not headless) |
| 07:54.13 | davenull | cahoot: No, there are only a few active people here, and that question would have likely only been answered by them. |
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| 07:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | so dpkg was correct about the bad polls :) |
| 07:55.40 | davenull | relents, will idel |
| 07:55.48 | davenull | s/idel/idle/ |
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| 07:58.28 | davenull | Ok, actually, how would I remove the latency inherent to the encryption overhead of TLS out of an LDAP authentication system, without removing the TLS itself, using debian specific packages, and no hardware purchases? Additional software can be installed on the clients, but has to be light on resources. |
| 07:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | now the only remaining question is, who/what sussudio's army of militant badgers are |
| 07:59.18 | davenull | And caching is in use, but the TTL on the cache data can not be increased. |
| 07:59.50 | Macjust | CutMeOwnThroat you never sleep :) ? |
| 08:00.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Macjust, I don't sleep all the week, then sleep for 40 hours straight :-P |
| 08:00.24 | Macjust | :p |
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| 08:00.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're right... it's bedtime |
| 08:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | time for little merchants to sell stuff in their dreams to completely unsuspecting customers |
| 08:01.03 | Macjust | for me it is the get up time :p |
| 08:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, could phone my parents |
| 08:03.17 | davenull | goes to bed |
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| 08:03.46 | Macjust | go to search a breakfeast |
| 08:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's latency due to encryption overhead? |
| 08:04.33 | Macjust | I have 1 sec of latency |
| 08:05.15 | Macjust | I have an ask. |
| 08:05.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | an ask? :) |
| 08:05.51 | Macjust | If i create an user linux and, I create a virtual ftp |
| 08:06.02 | Macjust | i set a quota for this user |
| 08:06.49 | Macjust | there are no problem with a virtual ftp ? |
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| 08:07.09 | Macjust | You understand ? |
| 08:07.17 | Macjust | or i am very bad in english ? |
| 08:07.26 | Macjust | :p |
| 08:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | phoning :) |
| 08:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see a problem |
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| 08:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a virtual ftp, though |
| 08:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... in this context |
| 08:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's it got to do with a user |
| 08:10.12 | Macjust | a virtual user in proftpd mysql |
| 08:10.23 | Macjust | i have set a uid and gid of user |
| 08:10.52 | Macjust | but if he send more of the usrquota in the server |
| 08:11.00 | Macjust | the ftp refuse ? |
| 08:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you would give the ftp user a quota? |
| 08:11.33 | Macjust | yes |
| 08:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. the user normally called ftp? |
| 08:11.57 | Macjust | i.e.? |
| 08:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | id est == that means |
| 08:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 08:12.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | id est == that is |
| 08:12.44 | Macjust | eu |
| 08:12.50 | Macjust | i don't understand |
| 08:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said virtual user... |
| 08:13.11 | Macjust | I create an user in linux |
| 08:13.20 | Macjust | with no ftp and no ssh |
| 08:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means the ftp daemon will run as the user "ftpd" or something like that |
| 08:13.35 | Macjust | after i create an virtual user in ftp |
| 08:13.48 | Macjust | proftpd |
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| 08:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes? |
| 08:14.49 | Macjust | i verify |
| 08:15.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you should just try it out :) |
| 08:15.34 | Macjust | I C/C to #flood |
| 08:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's a disk-quota for a real user, I don't think the process has a choice |
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| 08:20.46 | miaupiopio | hi |
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| 08:21.51 | meyou | hey how can i make debian re-detect my network card? just moved a vm to a different host and it's now finding any nic |
| 08:21.57 | meyou | etch |
| 08:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally booting it is enough |
| 08:23.16 | liable | ifconfig -a |
| 08:23.39 | meyou | hmm |
| 08:23.42 | meyou | eth0 shows up there |
| 08:23.45 | meyou | but not in reg ifconfig |
| 08:23.53 | liable | because it isnt up |
| 08:23.58 | liable | ifconfig ath0 up |
| 08:24.08 | meyou | no such device |
| 08:24.09 | liable | s/ath0/eth0/ |
| 08:24.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/ath/eth/ |
| 08:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 08:24.16 | meyou | yeah |
| 08:24.19 | meyou | no such device tho |
| 08:24.38 | meyou | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 08:24.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 08:25.09 | meyou | doh |
| 08:25.11 | meyou | nevermind |
| 08:25.13 | meyou | eth1 |
| 08:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 08:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | meyou, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules I guess |
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| 08:31.40 | meyou | CutMeOwnThroat: i just edited /etc/network/interfaces and changed eth0 to eth1 |
| 08:31.45 | meyou | will it not bring it up automatically now? |
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| 08:31.52 | liable | yes |
| 08:32.15 | meyou | hehe the way i phrased my question made that answer ambiguous :p |
| 08:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you could have made it become eth0 again with the other file... |
| 08:33.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | by removing what's using up eth0 |
| 08:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be nice if you could decide to settle on a nick within the next 10 tries or so, speaker219 |
| 08:35.18 | speaker219 | it would, wouldn't it? |
| 08:35.22 | speaker219 | I'm done, sorry about that. |
| 08:35.23 | speaker219 | :P |
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| 08:36.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it would ... definitely :) |
| 08:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | reminds me of T.P. "I hate it having my face on a poster and then 'wanted, dead or alive; below - it's as if a man f'ing cannot decide" |
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| 08:42.16 | CheeToS | woohoo http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2270/success.png |
| 08:43.03 | speaker219 | ew, aero :P |
| 08:44.42 | CheeToS | pff |
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| 08:51.52 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:51.52 | dpkg | hmm... qotd155 is <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
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| 09:08.11 | plenky64 | is there dvd ISO for download, i cant find it here...http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 09:08.38 | plenky64 | nevermind i just did |
| 09:09.02 | plenky64 | 4 dvd's? are they all needed |
| 09:09.22 | liable | no, you dont even need a dvd |
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| 09:09.50 | plenky64 | i want dvd iso, so i can do vmware clone/installs |
| 09:10.27 | plenky64 | 12 gigs though.. geez, does it come with a free copy of farcry 2 or something |
| 09:11.09 | liable | 12G? |
| 09:11.46 | plenky64 | yeah |
| 09:11.49 | plenky64 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 09:11.57 | liable | for one dvd? |
| 09:12.01 | mavhc | well, it comes with a free copy of everything that's free |
| 09:12.03 | plenky64 | no, 3 total |
| 09:12.36 | mavhc | why do you need a dvd iso to vmware clone? |
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| 09:12.51 | plenky64 | i want to mount the iso as a virtual drive |
| 09:13.02 | plenky64 | but i guess i can go the slow route |
| 09:13.16 | plenky64 | since dloading 12 gigs will take 15 hours |
| 09:13.25 | mavhc | the idea is 99% of what you need is on the first cd/dvd |
| 09:13.34 | mavhc | so just get that and dl the 1% on the fly |
| 09:13.53 | plenky64 | ok thatll work, thanks |
| 09:14.38 | plenky64 | lol connection failed.... server must be offline :) |
| 09:14.45 | mhymn | !netinstall |
| 09:14.45 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
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| 09:18.32 | plenky64 | debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso or debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 09:18.43 | plenky64 | etchnhalf.. not sure what that means |
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| 09:20.59 | babaan | etchnhalf? =/ |
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| 09:22.25 | craigevil | !etchnhalf |
| 09:22.25 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 09:24.21 | abusenode | .... |
| 09:24.27 | abusenode | what happened to my shit in /tmp? |
| 09:24.52 | amphi | flushed? |
| 09:24.55 | abusenode | uh? |
| 09:25.07 | liable | erm, i gets deleted when you reboot, thats why its called tmp? |
| 09:25.13 | abusenode | i had patches + compile/configure logs in there, shit i actaully need. |
| 09:25.37 | liable | why would you keep "shit you actually need" in a dir called tmp? |
| 09:25.42 | abusenode | uh... |
| 09:25.54 | abusenode | because its "tmp" until im done configuring stuff and then I move it somewhere useful? |
| 09:25.59 | abusenode | what hte fuck |
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| 09:26.03 | abusenode | why did it jsut delete shit without even asking? |
| 09:26.36 | abusenode | where the fuck else am i supposed to compile shit, in my ~ directory or something? |
| 09:26.39 | abusenode | this is ridiculous. |
| 09:26.40 | mhymn | you know, it's tmp! |
| 09:26.49 | abusenode | how the fuck do i turn that off and why is it even on in the first place |
| 09:26.50 | amphi | abusenode: you might be better to do it under ~ somewhere |
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| 09:28.34 | abusenode | i dont want shit in /tmp deleted, period. |
| 09:28.52 | Nibbler | abusenode: then modify your os, so that it does not delete shit in /tmp |
| 09:28.55 | Nibbler | its your freedom |
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| 09:29.40 | craigevil | tmp = Temporary files (see also /var/tmp). Often not preserved between system reboots. its called temporary for a reason |
| 09:30.46 | abusenode | "often" haha. |
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| 09:30.56 | abusenode | i have never seen a system where /tmp is deleted for any reason other than the user doing it. |
| 09:31.04 | abusenode | this is ridiculous. |
| 09:31.09 | liable | it gets cleaned at reboots |
| 09:31.20 | abusenode | if I acutally paid for this trash, i would be demanding my money back + compensation for time + effort wasted |
| 09:31.24 | liable | every linux system does it |
| 09:31.25 | Nibbler | abusenode: so you wont have seen many os' |
| 09:31.32 | Nibbler | rofl abusenode |
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| 09:31.50 | abusenode | liable: ive used slackware since 1996 and ive never seen /tmp wiped. |
| 09:31.57 | Nibbler | dont cry like a baby, its your fault, if you use systemfolders, you should know HOW to use them. keep your stuff in your home and everything is fine |
| 09:32.03 | abusenode | i've also ran some faghat shit for work and i've never esen /tmp wiped there either |
| 09:32.13 | abusenode | so I have no fucking idea what youre talking aobut. |
| 09:32.24 | liable | whenever i hear "ive used blah since" my bullshit detecter screams at me.. |
| 09:32.31 | abusenode | maybe by "all os's" you mean " debian and shit based on it" then perhaps |
| 09:32.33 | Maulkin | abusenode: please have a look at the FHS |
| 09:32.53 | CheeToS | I've used linux since 1975. |
| 09:33.04 | Maulkin | And swearing isn't productive. |
| 09:33.18 | dios_here | CheeToS lol |
| 09:34.13 | abusenode | Although data stored in /tmp may be deleted in a site-specific manner, it is recommended that files and directories located in /tmp be deleted whenever the system is booted. |
| 09:34.17 | abusenode | FHS added this recommendation on the basis of historical precedent and common practice, but did not make it a requirement because system administration is not within the scope of this standard. |
| 09:34.20 | abusenode | "recommendation" |
| 09:34.23 | abusenode | hardly a "must be cleared" |
| 09:34.32 | abusenode | and "historical precedent" smells bullshit. |
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| 09:34.48 | liable | abusenode: stop whining, and use another directory for "shit you need" |
| 09:34.53 | Maulkin | You have been muted for ten minutes. Please calm down and stop swearing. |
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| 09:35.09 | liable | given the nick, its not likely.. |
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| 09:35.47 | Nibbler | acatually pretty funny |
| 09:36.39 | jabis | hahaha merry christmas, all you ****tards x) it was funny to wake up to this rly x) |
| 09:40.10 | ameyer | wonders whether abusenode is for real or not |
| 09:40.41 | ameyer | if he/she is just a troll, there's a lot more valid criticisms, imo. |
| 09:40.53 | ameyer | like the clusterf... erm... release cycle |
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| 09:44.24 | liable | thats probably more of a trollish statement.. |
| 09:45.44 | mhymn | (alarm) |
| 09:45.57 | ameyer | well, there is apparently quite a bit of drama related to the upcoming release. |
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| 09:47.12 | Maulkin | abusenode: Now, please try and remain civil |
| 09:47.54 | Maulkin | abusenode: There's *always* a drama before a release. |
| 09:48.05 | Maulkin | err, ameyer |
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| 09:48.28 | ameyer | I mean, as far as I can tell, debian's secretary was just forced to resign by a big angry virtual mob |
| 09:48.34 | `nstuff | whats life without drama :) |
| 09:49.17 | Maulkin | ameyer: Nah. There would have to be aGR to have a big angry mob :) |
| 09:50.45 | ameyer | well, Planet Debian gave the impression of a big angry mob. I can't really claim to understand a lot of this stuff. |
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| 09:52.36 | Maulkin | It'll do that. But that's Planet Debian, it has a habit of exaggerating stuff. |
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| 09:58.03 | maddash | !python |
| 09:58.03 | dpkg | methinks python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/, or #python |
| 09:58.07 | maddash | !python3 |
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| 09:58.46 | mhymn | you'd better try it's mailing lists |
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| 10:00.59 | leoventura | I compiled gspca for my webcam but the device '/dev/video0' was not created..How to create it? |
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| 10:12.09 | Lagbolt | leoventura, did you load the module after you compiled it? |
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| 10:14.15 | leoventura | lagbolt yep |
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| 10:19.12 | Lagbolt | leoventura, you sure that is the correct module for your cam? what is the cam? what kern you using? how did you compile the module? |
| 10:20.06 | leoventura | lagbolt I'm thinking that this webcam has no suport...Philips spc230nc...I tried with the pwc module to |
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| 10:27.31 | hobbes006 | hi guys, how do i copy a specific file under a folder into another folder, keeping all the parent directories above that file? |
| 10:27.48 | hobbes006 | something like what mkdir -p does |
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| 10:31.48 | Maulkin | hobbes006: look at install. |
| 10:32.00 | Maulkin | That *may* help |
| 10:33.57 | pif | hobbes006: cp --parents |
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| 10:35.33 | hobbes006 | pif: perfect :) |
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| 10:38.21 | Neijk | hallå där! vem är ni? |
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| 10:41.40 | negge^ | I just "restructured" one of my drives a little bit, I deleted the first partition and resized the second one so it would fill the whole disc. Now that the second one is the only one left how come it's still called /dev/hda2 and not hda1? |
| 10:42.36 | kibibyte | hi |
| 10:42.40 | kibibyte | i see process runing npviewer.bin and it uses 14 % CPU can you tell me what is it? |
| 10:42.42 | simonrvn | the number is the partition |
| 10:42.47 | simonrvn | not the drive |
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| 10:43.08 | negge^ | simonrvn: of course, but why is it called the second partition when it is the first? |
| 10:43.19 | gkiagia | kibibyte: most probably it's the flash player |
| 10:43.36 | kibibyte | gkiagia, how to disable it |
| 10:43.52 | gkiagia | uninstall flash |
| 10:43.55 | simonrvn | negge^: cfdisk -l /dev/hda and find out |
| 10:44.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | kibibyte, use `dpkg -S npviewer.bin` to find the package its from, then uninstall it |
| 10:44.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | or dkpg -S to find which package its from, then you kjnow what it is |
| 10:44.48 | negge^ | simonrvn: there's no such option as -l |
| 10:45.00 | negge^ | and I'm not on that computer now so I can't do it |
| 10:45.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | use fdisk -l then |
| 10:45.20 | simonrvn | then it's fdisk |
| 10:45.41 | simonrvn | i always get confused which one has the -l flag :D |
| 10:45.55 | negge^ | Kamping_Kaiser: simonrvn I might check it out. My main question is if it's bad or wrong in some way or if I can just let it be? |
| 10:46.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | negge, afaik partitions keep their number, if you create a new partition at the start it might be called 3 |
| 10:46.45 | negge^ | Kamping_Kaiser: okay. |
| 10:46.47 | simonrvn | i wouldn't worry. it might change next boot though, if you haven't yet, just be forewarned. |
| 10:47.13 | negge^ | be back in a sec --> |
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| 10:50.29 | enouf | dpkg: sing the jeopardy theme song |
| 10:50.29 | dpkg | enouf: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 11:01.12 | dustybin | hi guys, qt 3:3.3.8b-5 contains some bugs where it is crashing something im using |
| 11:01.15 | dustybin | (mythtv) |
| 11:01.25 | Maulkin | !hi |
| 11:01.25 | dpkg | hello, maulkin |
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| 11:04.08 | Jemt | Is the list of supported graphics card for the non-free nvidia driver up to date? I seems the package (in Lenny) is based on NVidia Drivers v. 173.x.x, which supports ie "GeForce 8800 GS", but according to the package description, only "GeForce 8800 GTX" and "GeForce 8800 GTS" is supported |
| 11:04.13 | Jemt | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/nvidia-glx |
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| 11:07.57 | Legality | Hi |
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| 11:08.16 | Legality | could someone briefly explain me the meaning of TIME+ column in top? |
| 11:08.35 | Legality | is it just the time the process has run on the server? |
| 11:08.52 | dondelelcaro | Legality: it's the cpu time that the process has used, basically. |
| 11:09.24 | dondelelcaro | Legality: man top; for a more detailed explanation |
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| 11:11.24 | Legality | ok thanks |
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| 11:17.54 | xingu | hmm |
| 11:18.55 | xingu | anyone ever tripped over an intel-chipset pcie raid controller that supports fis pm? |
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| 11:24.29 | Nielske | mmm |
| 11:24.41 | Nielske | aptitude is getting lots of segmentation faults |
| 11:24.45 | Nielske | what can cause? |
| 11:24.47 | Nielske | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
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| 11:45.18 | netcrash | Hello , I'm trying to install spamassassin from volatile but using aptitude -t volatile install spamassassin get's me a different version from the shown in aptitude -t volatile show spamassassin ,get's installed 3.2.3 instead of 3.2.5 . any tips ? |
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| 11:46.03 | arrust | salve atutti |
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| 11:54.07 | dutchfish | netcrash, what debian version are you running and is it 64bit? also is your repo setup correctly? /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:54.23 | netcrash | dutchfish: 64bits |
| 11:54.43 | dutchfish | netcrash, lenny? |
| 11:54.50 | netcrash | dutchfish: etch |
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| 11:55.50 | dutchfish | netcrash, oh ok, might as well be that your curent repo mirror is out of sync, did you check that too? |
| 11:56.16 | netcrash | dutchfish: didn't check the server :S |
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| 11:56.54 | dutchfish | netcrash, http://test.mithril-linux.org/debian-mirror-check.html |
| 11:58.04 | netcrash | dutchfish: This message show's , Ign http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/volatile/main Sources/DiffIndex |
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| 11:59.32 | dutchfish | netcrash, seams correct so: http://packages.debian.org/etch-volatile/spamassassin |
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| 12:00.20 | dutchfish | netcrash, but maybe you want http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/spamassassin |
| 12:00.31 | dutchfish | !tell netcrash about bpo |
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| 12:01.06 | netcrash | dutchfish: also have backports lists in , can there be any conflict ? I did aptitude -t volatile show spamassassin |
| 12:01.57 | dutchfish | netcrash, in thta case you want backports instead of voletile, be aware that rules are not updated that frequently as in voletile |
| 12:02.25 | netcrash | dutchfish: thank you |
| 12:02.30 | dutchfish | netcrash, yw |
| 12:02.37 | netcrash | yw = ? |
| 12:02.48 | dutchfish | netcrash, your welcome |
| 12:03.12 | netcrash | :) |
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| 12:04.10 | renton_ | hello on iceweasel (debian lenny) i don't visualize correctly japanese characters, which packages should i install? thanks. |
| 12:04.23 | renton_ | (my debian is in english) |
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| 12:04.51 | simonrvn | !locales |
| 12:04.51 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 12:05.02 | simonrvn | renton_: ^^^ |
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| 12:06.05 | renton_ | i want to keep my debian in english.. i just have a japanese friend, and when i see her name in the mail headers inside firefox i see ugly characters and not correct ideograms.. |
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| 12:06.58 | simonrvn | also you'll need fonts that support ideograms, unicode fonts |
| 12:07.00 | renton_ | i think i just ened to install japanese fotns |
| 12:07.01 | renton_ | fonts |
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| 12:08.50 | renton_ | i'm on gmail... so i think gmail sends the correctly header.. i suppose |
| 12:09.03 | renton_ | so i think it's my fault and that i'm missing japanese fonts |
| 12:09.22 | renton_ | i see some "squares" with inside some hex values |
| 12:09.34 | renton_ | and not the japanase fonts.. |
| 12:09.48 | renton_ | !japanese |
| 12:09.48 | dpkg | from memory, japanese is #debian-japanese Turning japanese i think i'm turning japanese i really think so! |
| 12:11.56 | renton_ | do I need this? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xfonts-intl-japanese-big |
| 12:11.59 | dutchfish | renton_, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-japanese@lists.debian.org/msg02150.html |
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| 12:12.40 | netcrash | dutchfish: one last question , Packages/DiffIndex what does this mean ? and where can I find info about this messages ? Tryed google and man -k|aptitude but nothing found |
| 12:13.18 | dutchfish | netcrash, the way aptitude gets update information in form of delta-lists |
| 12:13.41 | netcrash | :D thanks |
| 12:13.56 | dutchfish | netcrash, if it does not throw errors at you, its normal behavior (ign) |
| 12:14.03 | JyZyXEL | how do you access the menus in MC? |
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| 12:14.36 | simonrvn | renton_: just look for unicode fonts and you'll be ok. |
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| 12:15.12 | dutchfish | simonrvn, there where some issues lately with rebuilding the font cash too |
| 12:15.23 | simonrvn | cache |
| 12:15.47 | dutchfish | simonrvn, yes, sorry, rebuilding it solved my problems with chinese caracters |
| 12:16.26 | CheeToS | I am creating my new bootup sound: beep -f 325 -n -f 395 -n -f 500 -n -l 400 -f 600 -n -f 500 -n -l 400 -f 600 |
| 12:17.09 | renton_ | I installed ttf-hanazono and now i see japanese character on gmail/iceweasel... the onlyproblem is that ttf-hanazona comes from sid.. and not from lenny :( |
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| 12:17.29 | simonrvn | won't be a problem |
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| 12:17.46 | simonrvn | it's binary data, but doesn't depend on glibc |
| 12:18.32 | renton_ | ok.. |
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| 12:23.39 | abusenode | renton_: just download free mikachan font. and/or take fonts that are actually readable from windows. |
| 12:23.57 | abusenode | last time i looked at jp fonts in lunix i wanted to gouge my eyes out |
| 12:26.09 | renton_ | well now that i look better on Gmail.. some of japanese fonts are displayed.. some aren't |
| 12:27.06 | renton_ | gmail gives me in the headers utf8 encoding |
| 12:27.34 | renton_ | but really i think that utf doesn't contain the whole set of japanese characters |
| 12:28.20 | renton_ | oh now it works.. i installed more packages.. |
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| 12:28.52 | renton_ | ttf-sazanami-mincho ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-dejima-mincho |
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| 12:32.32 | khades | will theora 1rc1 be included in lenny& |
| 12:32.34 | khades | ? |
| 12:32.52 | dutchfish | !freeze |
| 12:32.52 | dpkg | from memory, freeze is when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable'. During the freeze period, there are fewer updates to unstable too, in order to make the stablisation process easier. |
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| 12:34.11 | soulchild | Hi all |
| 12:34.35 | dutchfish | hi |
| 12:34.55 | soulchild | One little question, what option in fstab is needed, so that I have write permission to a ext3 Partition, I tried "users, rw" but it is still owned by root |
| 12:37.00 | ireko | type: ext3 options: defaults |
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| 12:37.19 | soulchild | solved: chown username helped even after remount |
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| 12:37.58 | ireko | hi, i have got a problem. i have installed debian and upgraded it to testing version, and now i havent got sound. |
| 12:38.11 | ireko | i have got alsa installed |
| 12:38.22 | dutchfish | ireko, are you still in aduio group and have you checked volume in mixer? |
| 12:38.31 | ireko | and alsamixer all in full |
| 12:38.34 | dutchfish | s/aduio/audio |
| 12:38.36 | ireko | and im in audio |
| 12:38.54 | dutchfish | ireko, did you try alsaconfig? |
| 12:38.59 | ireko | yes |
| 12:39.16 | ireko | but it doesnt help |
| 12:39.20 | dutchfish | alsa is running (check lsmod) |
| 12:40.27 | dutchfish | and alsa -modules are installed? |
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| 12:40.52 | brutus | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.13 | ireko | it is lsmod http://wklej.org/id/32100/ |
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| 12:42.33 | renton_ | ah some days ago i added some groups to a user |
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| 12:42.54 | dutchfish | ireko, are you on KDE? |
| 12:42.54 | renton_ | i noticed that it got those privileges associated to the groups just after reboot |
| 12:42.59 | ireko | i have installed alsa so it should be alsa-modules |
| 12:43.06 | renton_ | how can I force this group privileges refresh? thanks |
| 12:43.15 | ireko | dutchfish: i hav tryed everything :( |
| 12:43.30 | fantomas | Hi all. I have problem with Xorg. After I run xinit by root several times, X never exits and become <defunct>. Why this could happen? |
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| 12:44.01 | dutchfish | ireko, if on KDE choose alsa instead of auto in KDE's control centre > sound &multimedia > sound system > hardware tab |
| 12:44.16 | dutchfish | ireko, some apps chooke on auto |
| 12:44.26 | dutchfish | ireko, your lsmod seams ok |
| 12:44.46 | ireko | in control center is alsa |
| 12:45.13 | dutchfish | ireko, you tried other soudn apps as well, and is this the same? |
| 12:45.49 | ireko | i have installed pulse-audio or something like this |
| 12:45.59 | ireko | but it didn't work |
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| 12:46.24 | dutchfish | ireko, i meant more like checking audio with xine or amarok or any other |
| 12:46.25 | groton | how to install flashplugin-nonfree on debian testing (i.e. lenny)? |
| 12:46.51 | renton_ | some of you knows how to refresh user/groups association and privileges? without rebooting the os? thanks |
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| 12:47.21 | dutchfish | ireko, could be a leftover in one of your .config files in your home dir |
| 12:47.25 | craigevil | groton: add backports.org or debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list |
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| 12:47.32 | groton | craigevil, ok |
| 12:48.13 | ireko | ok i have got it! |
| 12:48.19 | ireko | thank you dutchfish |
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| 12:48.20 | ireko | :) |
| 12:48.29 | dutchfish | ireko, to track that down, create a new user and add it to the audio group, login and check if that works |
| 12:48.31 | flo-isback | need help with socket error can't connect to internet |
| 12:48.35 | groton | btw, i added this to apt.conf APT::Default-Release "testing"; but the packages are installed from "unstable" distro and not by the testing one as i enforced in apt.conf file. Any hint? |
| 12:48.45 | dutchfish | ireko, ok |
| 12:48.50 | ireko | hehe :) |
| 12:49.25 | craigevil | groton: comment out unstable in your sources.list |
| 12:50.01 | die7 | flo-isback: ? |
| 12:50.13 | groton | craigevil, i want to have unstable sources in my source list, while still being able to install testing package by default, and the unstable ones on my request, as in: apt-get install package/unstable |
| 12:50.19 | fantomas | Any ideas how to figure out the reason why Xorg instead of stopping becomes <defunct>? |
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| 12:52.06 | ManateeLazyCat | fantomas: I have see same problem with <defunct>, but not for Xorg. |
| 12:52.40 | ManateeLazyCat | fantomas: I use XMonad, and write "exec foo" in ~/.xinitrc, when exist "foo" will get "foo <defunct>". |
| 12:52.54 | dutchfish | fantomas, i have had same problem with some ATI cards |
| 12:52.56 | ManateeLazyCat | fantomas: And i remove "exec" from "exec foo", problem is fix |
| 12:53.18 | ManateeLazyCat | fantomas: Hope this useful. |
| 12:53.22 | fantomas | http://pastebin.ca/1294509 (process tree) |
| 12:53.34 | fantomas | ManateeLazyCat: hmm |
| 12:54.04 | fantomas | dutchfish: having ATI X1950GT |
| 12:54.31 | dutchfish | fantomas, can you pastebin cat /proc/mtrr please? |
| 12:55.03 | fantomas | reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size=2048MB: write-back, count=1 |
| 12:55.05 | fantomas | reg01: base=0x7ff00000 (2047MB), size= 1MB: uncachable, count=1 |
| 12:55.26 | dutchfish | fantomas, how much mem does your card have? |
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| 12:55.50 | flo-isback | die7: not sure if it is socket error , first time this happened gnome complained about there being no socket open , now i get from wifi radar Unsupported driver -P,SIOCSIFNETMASK: cannot assign requested address SIOCADDRT:Invalid argument |
| 12:55.52 | fantomas | dutchfish: interesting question, how would I know? :) I suspect 512Mb |
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| 12:57.15 | die7 | flo-isback: give some more Inf. PC HW wi-card |
| 12:57.42 | dutchfish | fantomas, 1 you could compare from /var/log/Xserver.0.log but i pretty sure this is related to debian/lenny latest 2.6.26 wich i solved by using a newer kernel 2.6.27.10 or 2.6.28 (stable now) and give it some extra CONFIG_MTRR_SANITIZER=y |
| 12:57.50 | die7 | flo-isback: also kernel ver |
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| 12:58.10 | dutchfish | fantomas, this is related to a quircky bios |
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| 12:58.42 | diclev | Is here russian people? |
| 12:58.44 | dutchfish | fantomas, make sure you have latest bios for your board |
| 12:59.08 | fantomas | dutchfish: sorry, I should sya, I'm on Ubuntu atm 8.04. 2.6.24-22 kernel. I'm just don't like #ubuntu channel and have been using Debian all the way - thats why asking here :) |
| 12:59.17 | diclev | Is here russian-language-speaking people? |
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| 12:59.22 | die7 | diclev: yes |
| 12:59.29 | sk4 | yea |
| 12:59.33 | dutchfish | fantomas, use intrepid (i tested that too) with 2.6.27-9 |
| 12:59.37 | diclev | are you? |
| 12:59.49 | die7 | diclev: da |
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| 12:59.53 | fantomas | dutchfish: regarding latest bios - thanks for recommendation - need to check it |
| 13:00.09 | die7 | diclev: but we use engl here |
| 13:00.11 | diclev | die7 ÑÑÑÑкий ÑÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ð´ÐµÑживаеÑÑÑ? Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð²Ð¸Ð´Ð½Ð¾? |
| 13:00.16 | diclev | uah!!! |
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| 13:00.20 | diclev | sorry |
| 13:00.26 | sshy | hi, i'm using unstable now, how can i install gnome 2.24 (or 2.25?) ? currently i have xfce4 installed, so there is some old gnome2 libraries. |
| 13:00.27 | die7 | np |
| 13:00.27 | dutchfish | fantomas, its a kernel issue combined with quirckybios not being able to set proper values for your cards mem locations |
| 13:00.27 | diclev | to all)) |
| 13:00.52 | die7 | :) |
| 13:00.52 | dutchfish | fantomas, hence X freezing 9not at once) and getting pretty defunct |
| 13:00.52 | sshy | do i need to enable experimental repos? |
| 13:00.54 | fantomas | dutchfish: may I set it manyally in xorg.conf? Or no |
| 13:01.00 | pozic | Can I see how much space all the currently installed packages together take? |
| 13:01.16 | dutchfish | fantomas, you can write to /proc/mtrr (google on it howto) yes |
| 13:01.34 | die7 | pozic: df -h |
| 13:01.47 | dutchfish | fantomas, but thats only to analyze not quiet an elegant solution |
| 13:02.06 | pozic | die7: learn to understand questions, before you answer. TYVM. |
| 13:02.09 | diclev | die7 what's a problem: I have entered today in system (gnome) and all here in English? How can I russificate gnome? |
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| 13:02.23 | flo-isback | die7: ok im running denian lenny kernel 2.6.26-1-686 , on an eeepc 701 , every thing is picked up by default i can see other routers just can't conect |
| 13:02.23 | dutchfish | fantomas, or port back to 2.6.25 kernel wich seams to work around well for this issue |
| 13:02.54 | die7 | pozic: learn to use your brain |
| 13:02.57 | dutchfish | fantomas, but i prefer 2.6.27.10 because there are more issues related to ATI solved in there |
| 13:03.01 | pingouin | does i have to use OSS drivers - from http://www.opensound.com - or ALSA ? (for an m-audio audiophile 2496 pci soundcard with envy24 chipset) |
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| 13:03.56 | flo-isback | die7: Ethernet controller; Atheros communications INC. AE |
| 13:04.03 | fantomas | dutchfish: thanks. need to restart. (I saved the irc logs) |
| 13:04.11 | dutchfish | fantomas, good luck |
| 13:04.11 | die7 | flo-isback: wich modul is for wlan |
| 13:04.17 | fantomas | dutchfish: ty! |
| 13:04.32 | pozic | die7: I can write a program to solve the problem, but that would take some time to get right. I was asking whether there was already such a program. You give me an answer that's completely useless. You should be using your brain. |
| 13:05.09 | die7 | flo-isback: ok, ath is bad and buggy |
| 13:06.06 | craigevil | flo-isback: madwifi should work just fine, try using a gui like wifi-radar or wicd |
| 13:06.14 | die7 | diclev: sorry i do not use Gnome or KDE |
| 13:06.36 | flo-isback | die7: but everything is picked up , just can't connect , was working fine yesterday |
| 13:06.39 | craigevil | flo-isback: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 13:07.03 | die7 | flo-isback: look to log on yout wlan router |
| 13:07.21 | die7 | flo-isback: is there some auth errors, this is big bug with ath |
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| 13:08.15 | die7 | pozic: i say df -h is your solution, there is no other way to look to size |
| 13:08.24 | die7 | pozic: after isntallation |
| 13:08.41 | flo-isback | die7: wifi-radar gives me couple erros part from that no , wifi radar Unsupported driver -P,SIOCSIFNETMASK: cannot assign requested address SIOCADDRT:Invalid argument |
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| 13:09.27 | die7 | flo-isback: no apic no lapic at boot |
| 13:10.24 | die7 | flo-isback: noapic nolapic ...there is problem with irq |
| 13:10.37 | die7 | flo-isback: maybe this will help |
| 13:10.37 | pozic | die7: I suggest you be somewhat more precise in the statements you make, since if I would write a program to calculate it, I won't use df -h. |
| 13:10.40 | flo-isback | die7: sorry irc ? |
| 13:10.46 | flo-isback | die7: sorry irq |
| 13:11.02 | pozic | wouldn't* |
| 13:11.06 | die7 | yes |
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| 13:12.27 | die7 | pozic: good luck |
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| 13:13.10 | sackhacker | i like to add a lenny repository. I got Dynamic MMap ran out of room and Problem with MergeList. Can anyone tell me what that means and what i can do? |
| 13:13.55 | valdyn | !dynamicm map ran out of room |
| 13:14.00 | valdyn | !dynamic mmap ran out of room |
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| 13:14.05 | valdyn | !listkey mmap |
| 13:14.08 | valdyn | !listkeys mmap |
| 13:14.10 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mmap' by key (8): #debian dynamic mmap ;; dynamic mmap ;; #debian mmap ;; _default mmap ;; _default dynamic mmap ;; mmap ;; apt-mmap ;; dynamic-mmap. |
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| 13:14.17 | valdyn | !dynamic-mmap |
| 13:14.18 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 13:14.21 | valdyn | sackhacker: ^^^^^ |
| 13:14.53 | flo-isback | die7: should i install madwifi ? |
| 13:14.58 | sackhacker | that was the answer in the past which i forgot. Thanks |
| 13:15.47 | valdyn | sackhacker: and this just means that apt-get has a user configurable max memory usage instead of using all your ram whenever it needs to |
| 13:16.00 | dutchfish | pozic, dont know exactly what you ar elooking for but is cat /proc/diskstats of any use? |
| 13:16.21 | bilusco | Any speak portugese to talk in PTV? |
| 13:16.41 | valdyn | ( except that mmap doesnt really directly use physical ram, so i dont know the real details behind this ) |
| 13:17.43 | pozic | dutchfish: the program is really easy: list all files installed by dpkg, compute file size of each of them and sum. I want to know whether a 8GB SSD is enough for my current package usage. |
| 13:18.30 | sackhacker | it's working now |
| 13:18.37 | dutchfish | pozic, the file size of the packages in cache included? |
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| 13:18.46 | pozic | dutchfish: no |
| 13:18.59 | pozic | dutchfish: so, I am referring to the size of the installed files. |
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| 13:19.34 | dutchfish | pozic, a file on disk can have a dif size then the file-size itself |
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| 13:25.44 | th0ger | Hi guys. I'm creating a usb boot stick, as in http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne. After zcat'ing boot.img.gz to the stick i can't mount it: "/dev/sdb: can't read superblock". Any ideas whats wrong?? |
| 13:26.23 | valdyn | th0ger: sdb1 maybe, not sdb |
| 13:27.31 | valdyn | th0ger: system also needs to be notified of the change partition table, either by replugging the stick or explicitely rereading the table, via fdisk for instance |
| 13:28.05 | dutchfish | pozic, not so nice solution would be to dpkg -x to a temp dir calculate sizes and store the total size of that package then clean up and take the next from you packagelist |
| 13:28.39 | th0ger | valdyn: sdb1 doesnt work either |
| 13:29.06 | th0ger | valdyn: how should i run fdisk? |
| 13:30.03 | Jemt | th0ger: Sure it is sdb? Could be sda, sdc etc |
| 13:30.29 | th0ger | yes, im sure its sdb |
| 13:30.37 | Jemt | th0ger: Would be easier to perform the install using an external USB CD drive |
| 13:30.56 | Jemt | - if you know anyone that owns such a device |
| 13:31.24 | th0ger | Well, i dont HAVE an ext cd drive |
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| 13:32.16 | valdyn | th0ger: you never used fdisk? |
| 13:32.50 | valdyn | th0ger: "fdisk /dev/sdb", then you can see which partion tables exist and you can write the table to notify the system that theres a new table at all |
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| 13:33.58 | Jemt | The device could easy contain no partitions - it is fine to format the device itself |
| 13:34.02 | Jemt | easily |
| 13:34.06 | th0ger | valdyn: I just thought it would delete the boot.img i just put onto it?? |
| 13:34.24 | Jemt | do 'fdisk /dev/sdb -l' to list partitions |
| 13:34.25 | valdyn | th0ger: why would fdisk delete boot.img? |
| 13:35.48 | th0ger | valdyn: well, dont know |
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| 13:38.29 | flo-isback | how do i connect from terminal wired ? |
| 13:38.30 | th0ger | fdisk cannot read the partition table of sdb |
| 13:38.40 | dutchfish | pozic, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html look at section 5.6.20 Installed-Size |
| 13:38.51 | valdyn | th0ger: so there is no partition table, duh |
| 13:39.36 | th0ger | So the zcat destroyed the partition table? |
| 13:39.55 | valdyn | th0ger: zcat overwrite the disk with boot.img |
| 13:40.05 | valdyn | th0ger: that sure as hell overwrites the partition table too |
| 13:40.09 | dutchfish | pozic, you could easely extract DEBIAN/control out of a package |
| 13:40.47 | valdyn | th0ger: ( if there ever was one, but thats really irrelevant ) |
| 13:41.09 | th0ger | valdyn: and boot.img should include a new partition table? |
| 13:41.18 | valdyn | th0ger: i dont think so |
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| 13:42.12 | th0ger | Is it possible to mount a disk without partition table???? |
| 13:42.59 | groton | how to install flashplugin-nonfree on debian testing (i.e. lenny)? |
| 13:43.32 | folken | th0ger: yes just mount the device |
| 13:43.48 | folken | th0ger: e.g. /dev/hda |
| 13:44.13 | th0ger | folken: that was my first question. It cant. |
| 13:44.43 | dutchfish | !flash64beta |
| 13:44.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash64beta is To use the beta flash non-free player without to run into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it. |
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| 13:47.26 | simonrvn | !flash64beta =~ s/to run/running/ |
| 13:47.26 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 13:47.34 | th0ger | valdyn:I also tried replugging te stick, but i still gets "cant read superblock" |
| 13:47.40 | dutchfish | simonrvn, thanks |
| 13:47.51 | simonrvn | :) |
| 13:48.00 | groton | dutchfish, the problem i have is that when the flashinstaller asks me for the firefox installation path, i feed him with /usr/lib/iceweasel, but it says me the path is invalid |
| 13:48.09 | simonrvn | maybe some day you can teach me german |
| 13:48.40 | dutchfish | groton, i am very sorry, but to me it seams the flashinstaller in lenny is curently broken, thats why i hinted you for this solution |
| 13:48.50 | simonrvn | deb1an.org ? heh |
| 13:49.26 | HardDisk_WP | how do I test if my socks proxy works? |
| 13:49.29 | dutchfish | simonrvn, or Dutch :) |
| 13:49.32 | groton | dutchfish, ok, i also followed your advice, but have not found the .iceweasel hidden directory, maybe i will look for .firefox :) |
| 13:49.52 | simonrvn | dutchfish: dutch then ;) |
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| 13:50.06 | dutchfish | groton, no /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins |
| 13:50.42 | simonrvn | AKA $(whoami) |
| 13:50.44 | groton | dutchfish, yes, under /home/username but i cannot find it |
| 13:51.03 | simonrvn | you make it... |
| 13:51.12 | groton | ok |
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| 13:51.16 | dutchfish | groton, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins |
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| 13:52.14 | khaleel5000 | hello,I have lenny, I have to configure my network settings for eth1 , how do i do it ? |
| 13:52.22 | khaleel5000 | which command/option |
| 13:52.45 | simonrvn | !interfaces |
| 13:52.45 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 13:53.06 | groton | dutchfish, cool, it worked like a charm |
| 13:53.12 | dutchfish | groton, yw |
| 13:53.14 | groton | dutchfish, tack |
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| 14:00.34 | flo-isback | is there svn for debian ? |
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| 14:01.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:02.37 | dutchfish | flo-isback, you might also want to take a peak at http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/debian/git.html |
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| 14:04.52 | flo-isback | im trying to install madwifi http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=madwifi-ng&DokuWiki=efakljfdslkfd03efe16e45baaab8dfd |
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| 14:05.26 | flo-isback | asks me to svn svn -r 3745 checkout http://svn.madwifi-project.org/madwifi/trunk/ madwifi-ng |
| 14:06.07 | simonrvn | so do |
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| 14:07.38 | rgammans | hey, does anyone know how to make deskbar (in 2.20) work like minicommander and put the entry widget on the panel |
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| 14:15.31 | pingouin | does i have to use OSS drivers - from http://www.opensound.com - or ALSA ? (for an m-audio audiophile 2496 pci soundcard with envy24 chipset) the oss project is marked as 'deprecated' on kernel build, but there are producing new drivers, i'm confuse |
| 14:21.49 | rgammans | pingoguin: alsa in generally preferred. |
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| 14:23.58 | cahoot | oss4 is a project outside the kerneldevel |
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| 14:26.55 | dutchfish | anyone can point me to some api docs how to tweak apt-transport-debtorrent for transmission-common? |
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| 14:32.03 | JyZyXEL | can you somehow select which users are allowed to use FTP? |
| 14:32.15 | JyZyXEL | proftpd kinda gives every Unix user that possibility by default |
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| 14:33.29 | narhen | JyZyXEL: have a look at this: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Limit.html |
| 14:34.02 | narhen | I suppose u have to use allowuser |
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| 14:39.09 | th0ger | Hi... Parted an gparted fails to make a (msdos) disklabel on my usb stick, and i cant create partitions. Is it broken, or what can i do? |
| 14:39.32 | cahoot | use fdisk? |
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| 14:41.29 | JyZyXEL | narhen thank you |
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| 14:49.58 | negge | I just checked one of my harddrives and fsck said there were 22.0% non-contiguous inodes. Isn't that kinda much? I thought ext3 was somehow designed so it wouldn't be fragmented |
| 14:50.38 | amitz | i want to install debian lenny on external harddisk, from a running debian lenny, without stopping the currently running lenny. What is the keyword to google? thanks in advance. |
| 14:51.19 | negge | amitz: you don't have a spare computer you can install from? |
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| 14:52.03 | amitz | negge: currently no. I'm in the middle of running some large processes. |
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| 14:52.38 | Nibbler | amitz: just copy it over.... google for "harddisk upgrade howto" |
| 14:52.46 | cahoot | amitz: a rsync'ed copy wouldn't do? |
| 14:53.11 | amitz | cahoot: I don't know, must google it :-) |
| 14:53.18 | Nibbler | cahoot: well, the bootloader needs to be installed, and some /dev/ and /proc should not be copied as is :) |
| 14:53.42 | hoxu | !tell amitz about debootstrap |
| 14:54.36 | cahoot | Nibbler: he could rub-install to the device - no? |
| 14:54.38 | cahoot | grub |
| 14:55.29 | amitz | hmm, thanks guys, let me see all that. |
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| 15:09.26 | dinar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 15:09.44 | dinar | what to download |
| 15:09.45 | dinar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 15:09.47 | dinar | or |
| 15:09.54 | dinar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 15:09.56 | dinar | ? |
| 15:10.27 | AdamDH | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.37 | AdamDH | *hi, |
| 15:11.29 | narhen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.34 | amitz | dinar: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent should be ok. |
| 15:11.44 | dinar | ok |
| 15:13.22 | narhen | dinar, why not install lenny? |
| 15:13.31 | dinar | what does mean "etch and half"? |
| 15:13.36 | dinar | new? |
| 15:13.41 | dinar | you advice? |
| 15:13.45 | dinar | then i ll try |
| 15:13.49 | dinar | ok |
| 15:13.49 | amitz | dinar: etch with newer kernel |
| 15:14.02 | dinar | because this is stable |
| 15:14.09 | dinar | is that stable? |
| 15:14.18 | dinar | ok |
| 15:14.22 | dinar | that is formal |
| 15:14.25 | amitz | dinar: it was declared to be stable. |
| 15:14.52 | Vandrizm | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:14.52 | Vandrizm | 5.0 |
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| 15:15.49 | greenberet | hey, i have a trivia question here, can anyone identify the guy here: http://219.90.105.112/ ive been looking for the answer for days. they say he is a important guy of the computer science community |
| 15:16.11 | Vandrizm | but couple houres ago it was lenny/sid |
| 15:18.06 | narhen | greenberet: whois on the ip address? |
| 15:18.18 | dinar | there is written that lenny is unsupported? |
| 15:18.19 | Vandrizm | so I think lenny is stable now |
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| 15:18.23 | greenberet | its my ip address, i have hosted a website with the guy's pic |
| 15:18.28 | cahoot | narhen: it's his own |
| 15:18.58 | greenberet | does anyone recognize that guy? |
| 15:19.03 | narhen | cahoot: ok |
| 15:19.11 | dinar | i used ubuntu now i want [try] use debian |
| 15:20.00 | asg | greenberet: looks like Keith Packard but I think that picture is too old |
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| 15:20.41 | AdamDH | where do I go if I want help creating Debian packages? |
| 15:20.53 | asg | AdamDH: /msg dpkg mg |
| 15:20.53 | greenberet | asg: keoth packard looks bald to me |
| 15:21.13 | cahoot | asg: doesn't look much like the keith packard google pics offers |
| 15:21.17 | dinar | what i do not have with debian is web services like forums and "answers" and "brainstorm" of ubuntu i think. i do not know how to use mail-forum (how is called) that is used by debian users as i know |
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| 15:21.36 | Vandrizm | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.40 | amitz | dinar: etch half is declared to be stable. lenny security update is not supported/promised to be rpompt. |
| 15:21.45 | dinar | is lenny more secure or etch? |
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| 15:22.00 | AdamDH | is there a developers IRC channel at all? |
| 15:22.01 | asg | cahoot: in the face but the hair is problematic |
| 15:22.10 | cahoot | a bit |
| 15:22.10 | AdamDH | not had much look finding one |
| 15:22.15 | amitz | dinar: rpompt->prompt |
| 15:22.19 | dinar | ? |
| 15:22.23 | dinar | a |
| 15:22.27 | greenberet | asg: its guaranteed to appear in a google search on the first page itself |
| 15:22.40 | greenberet | asg: if we knew what to type that is |
| 15:22.51 | muddd | i cant find where to put codecs for debian's mplayer, i read the documentation and see that its slightly different than the mplayer on the hu website, anyone know where i put the downloaded codecs in debian? |
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| 15:23.10 | amitz | AdamDH: maybe #debian-dev |
| 15:23.14 | asg | greenberet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wietse_Venema <--- another possible |
| 15:23.29 | asg | greenberet: do you know how old the picture you have is? |
| 15:23.49 | dinar | then i will nor doenload lenny. what has new kernel? |
| 15:24.20 | greenberet | asg: Its probably new, its in colour and its a wikipedia picture |
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| 15:24.56 | asg | greenberet: ah, okay |
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| 15:25.19 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.22 | greenberet | asg: maybe its some founder of some computer company or some business guy |
| 15:25.35 | ToHellWithGA | hey y'all, what is is the current kernel release version in unstable? |
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| 15:25.59 | Vandrizm | dinar, lenny |
| 15:26.06 | cahoot | greenberet: Bill G in 10 years? |
| 15:26.20 | dinar | no |
| 15:26.22 | dinar | i mean |
| 15:26.35 | greenberet | cahoot: that guy is pretty old, looks like |
| 15:26.37 | dinar | what new kernel has taht is good? |
| 15:26.42 | AdamDH | there is no one in #debian-dev? |
| 15:27.42 | Vandrizm | lenny with its kernel has better hardware support |
| 15:28.41 | dinar | i have nforce2 chipset and athlon 1700 proc. |
| 15:28.49 | dinar | do i need it? |
| 15:28.54 | dinar | but... |
| 15:28.59 | dinar | not only me |
| 15:29.16 | dinar | does it support core 2 duo and amd64 ... |
| 15:29.33 | Vandrizm | yes it does |
| 15:29.34 | dinar | i think that is not about processors |
| 15:30.21 | Vandrizm | what do you want from debian? |
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| 15:31.02 | dinar | may be i will install it to some computer |
| 15:31.14 | dinar | and will install to my computer |
| 15:31.18 | dinar | now |
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| 15:32.15 | dinar | a.. |
| 15:32.30 | dinar | i want to run server on my comp |
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| 15:32.49 | dinar | and desktop |
| 15:33.07 | dinar | i need help with firewall |
| 15:33.15 | amitz | thanks for the debootstrap |
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| 15:35.46 | dinar | after i install debian if i do not install closed source binaries and ssh can i do not touch firewall? (and i will allow only few users ftp access.) |
| 15:36.11 | dinar | i need help with debian forum |
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| 15:36.25 | dinar | to ask questions, to get support for free |
| 15:36.43 | dinar | how to use that mailing list |
| 15:37.06 | dinar | is that active? is that comfortable? |
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| 15:38.32 | dinar | what do you think? |
| 15:38.58 | Vandrizm | have you ever setup any kind of server? |
| 15:39.01 | dinar | you do not know or you do not like my these questions? |
| 15:39.16 | dinar | i will setup apache, mail, irc |
| 15:39.23 | dinar | ftp |
| 15:39.28 | dinar | no ssh |
| 15:39.38 | dinar | no bind |
| 15:39.42 | dinar | now |
| 15:39.51 | dinar | because i do not know bind yet |
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| 15:40.02 | dinar | i use free service |
| 15:40.03 | asg | !ru |
| 15:40.03 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:42.25 | Vandrizm | !ru |
| 15:42.25 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:42.54 | Polarina | !eo |
| 15:43.00 | Vandrizm | :) |
| 15:43.33 | dinar | if you say english i understand. i want practice english also |
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| 15:44.29 | muddd | do you know how to adjust your firewall settings? |
| 15:44.38 | Polarina | Mi ne komprenas angla sufiÄe estas tie Äi. |
| 15:44.42 | Vandrizm | my English isn't very good, but yours.... |
| 15:44.45 | Polarina | :( |
| 15:44.52 | dinar | i today installed firestarter and blocked |
| 15:45.11 | dinar | i heared about ufw is it in debian |
| 15:45.19 | dinar | i know iptables a little |
| 15:45.43 | dinar | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1022671 |
| 15:46.13 | dinar | may be i do not need touch it at all? |
| 15:46.30 | dinar | only to economy traffic |
| 15:46.37 | Vandrizm | dinar: Ñ ÑÑого и надо бÑло наÑаÑÑ |
| 15:46.37 | dinar | not for security? |
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| 15:46.47 | muddd | what service(s) are you trying to protect? I dont use software firewalls really and just use iptables for individual cases |
| 15:47.10 | dinar | but i asked about version of debian |
| 15:47.22 | dinar | ok |
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| 15:47.36 | dinar | i said |
| 15:47.51 | dinar | i will setup apache, mail, irc |
| 15:47.51 | dinar | <dinar> ftp |
| 15:47.51 | dinar | <dinar> no ssh |
| 15:47.51 | dinar | <dinar> no bind |
| 15:47.51 | dinar | <dinar> now |
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| 15:48.27 | dinar | did you see it? |
| 15:48.31 | dinar | ithink yes |
| 15:48.32 | dinar | ok |
| 15:48.39 | valdyn | !tell dinar -about enter |
| 15:49.22 | dinar | ok |
| 15:49.28 | dinar | i will replace it |
| 15:50.06 | Vandrizm | dinar: firewall can close ports you need |
| 15:51.19 | dinar | but do i need it for security? because i do not know how change rules and cannot configure it just after install |
| 15:52.37 | Vandrizm | do you want to use your server in your home network? |
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| 15:54.38 | dinar | i an connected to the internet with static ip address through adsl |
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| 15:57.26 | dinar | how many iptables rules will be after installation? |
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| 16:04.35 | DevilChaos | hey folks |
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| 16:10.55 | DevilChaos | my root partition is getting full and i need to remove some stuff on it is there good programme or command for rooting out all my unneeded stuff or just trawl through aptitude for all i have installed to see what i dont want? |
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| 16:11.08 | error4o4 | having problems with dovecot and the openssl created certificate.. (Server hostname does not match certificate). Should /etc/hostname have just the computer name or the fully-qualified name ie: computername.domain.tld ? |
| 16:13.23 | asg | error4o4: /etc/hostname should have just the computer name. The domain portion is derived based on information in /etc/hosts |
| 16:13.41 | error4o4 | asg: ok thx |
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| 16:14.17 | DevilChaos | usr! |
| 16:14.23 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 16:14.27 | DevilChaos | !usr |
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| 16:14.36 | DevilChaos | doh |
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| 16:19.57 | DevilChaos | in my /usr space it has 4.6 G is there supposed to be as much as that? |
| 16:21.38 | asg | it depends on how you partitioned things |
| 16:21.59 | mhymn | DevilChaos: what does 'du -h /var/cache/apt/archives' say? |
| 16:22.26 | greenberet | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.02 | DevilChaos | var/cache/apt/archive is only 1.5 G |
| 16:23.07 | DevilChaos | and is clean |
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| 16:23.29 | DevilChaos | did apt-get autoclean to make surre |
| 16:23.59 | hoxu | greenberet, you already asked that, and it's in no way related to debian, please ask debian-related questions, stay quiet, or leave |
| 16:24.04 | DevilChaos | its the usr space that is the culprit and i need to shave it down a bit if i can |
| 16:25.03 | DevilChaos | can i get rid of any of it ? |
| 16:25.16 | DevilChaos | without harming the system i mean? |
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| 16:25.58 | simonrvn | start removing packages |
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| 16:26.29 | kolpur | how to use liferea rss reader ? |
| 16:27.00 | simonrvn | for real? |
| 16:27.01 | asg | click on help? or read /usr/share/doc/liferea/* |
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| 16:27.14 | simonrvn | start adding feeds to it.. |
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| 16:28.29 | kolpur | where are the sources for the feeds stored in liferea ? |
| 16:28.39 | kolpur | i need to remove some of them .. |
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| 16:28.54 | ferry997 | ciao |
| 16:28.57 | Bonix | join #slackware-br |
| 16:29.02 | ferry997 | !list |
| 16:29.03 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to ferry997 |
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| 16:29.20 | ferry997 | W75099649H6200A1106-99EDUN2L |
| 16:29.30 | simonrvn | IIRC it has them in ~/.liferea |
| 16:29.40 | ferry997 | sono italiano |
| 16:29.43 | simonrvn | ferry997: how about you go away. this isn't #warez |
| 16:29.46 | asg | !it |
| 16:29.46 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:29.50 | simonrvn | !ops ferry997 |
| 16:29.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: ferry997 |
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| 16:30.07 | amitz | debootstrap lenny targetdirectory http://ftp.debian.org/debian leads to Packages.bz2 and Packages.gz corrupt. any idea? Temporary error due to unsync Release file vs. Packages file? But apt-get update of lenny repository is ok. I'm using debian lenny. |
| 16:30.10 | RichiH | prefers !it over !ops ;) |
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| 16:30.14 | ferry997 | si sono italiano mi dai una !list italiana |
| 16:30.21 | RichiH | !it |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:30.38 | kolpur | can anyone tell me some rss feed readers for GNOME .. |
| 16:30.40 | simonrvn | yeh, and bug them about warez... |
| 16:30.51 | amitz | kolpur: liferea |
| 16:30.55 | asg | haha |
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| 16:31.30 | ferry997 | italiano |
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| 16:31.32 | kolpur | other than liferea some others |
| 16:31.45 | asg | kolpur: most browsers support or have plugins to handle rss as well |
| 16:32.00 | asg | ferry997: /join #debian-it |
| 16:32.04 | amitz | kolpur: icedove, evolution rss extension, iceweasel rss extension. |
| 16:32.08 | ferry997 | sono italiano |
| 16:32.17 | ferry997 | puffolandia |
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| 16:32.45 | asg | puffolandia is #OpenBSD |
| 16:32.50 | kolpur | is icedove a browser ? |
| 16:33.04 | CellKill | ok, I have a problem, 2.6.18-6-amd64. If I enable /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/he-ipv6/forwarding, or any specific interface it does not work. but if I enable it via /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding it works just fine. any clues? (yes, I've also tried enabling it on all adapters individually, and no it didn't work) |
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| 16:33.33 | hoxu | kolpur, icedove = thunderbird |
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| 16:34.28 | kolpur | okk ... |
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| 16:36.16 | kolpur | where are the feeds list stored in liferea ? |
| 16:36.16 | cjzjm100 | i used checkinstall to install a software.After ./configure and make ,i changed to root and typed checkinstall ,but the bash said it could not find the command.what should i do? |
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| 16:36.27 | simonrvn | ~/.liferea |
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| 16:37.28 | simonrvn | (second time i say this...) |
| 16:37.52 | kolpur | sorry simonrvn .. i didn't see that ... sorry |
| 16:37.57 | asg | !wrench |
| 16:37.58 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
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| 16:39.34 | simonrvn | np |
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| 16:44.10 | JyZyXEL | in proftpd if you wanna allow creating directorys you need to allow WRITE |
| 16:44.11 | Administrador | hi how can use jigdo in order to download debian? |
| 16:44.15 | JyZyXEL | but that also allows removing shit |
| 16:44.23 | JyZyXEL | is it really that poor? |
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| 16:48.11 | asg | JyZyXEL: can you give an example of what it is you are trying to do? |
| 16:48.50 | JyZyXEL | asg didn't i just do that? |
| 16:48.56 | JyZyXEL | allow making directorys |
| 16:49.08 | JyZyXEL | WRITE allows that but it also allows bunch of other stuff |
| 16:49.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: when you say "in proftpd", it seems that you mean "in unix" |
| 16:49.35 | craigevil-eee | Administrador: jigdo url , the jigdo page at debian.org has instructions |
| 16:49.52 | JyZyXEL | well couldn't the server parse the WRITE request and see what is the user doing |
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| 16:51.18 | sudobash | anyone ever use Xebian? |
| 16:52.02 | JyZyXEL | im trying to make FTP server where people can only upload stuff and not remove stuff |
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| 16:52.31 | JyZyXEL | the server is now only allowing the upload of files |
| 16:52.40 | JyZyXEL | canno't make a directory |
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| 16:54.45 | asg | JyZyXEL: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Limit.html |
| 16:54.48 | Schbirid | hi, i need some help with the bash. i would like to get the output of "top -p 12345 | grep something" into a file. tried "top -p 12345 | grep something >> filename" but it did nothing |
| 16:55.23 | JyZyXEL | asg i don't belive they mentioned how to allow the creation of directories |
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| 16:55.48 | JyZyXEL | The WRITE command group might have been used, but that also allows things like creating and deleting subdirectories, which is usually not wanted in an upload-only configuration. |
| 16:55.50 | fantomas | Does make_kpkg kernel_image include headers? |
| 16:55.55 | JyZyXEL | it ALSO allows deleting |
| 16:55.58 | jdnoob | debian sucks |
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| 16:56.14 | jdnoob | my dick allows deleting |
| 16:56.14 | JyZyXEL | jdnoob how nice u came to tell that |
| 16:56.18 | simonrvn | jdnoob: you suck harder |
| 16:56.28 | jdnoob | i suck your moms cock ye |
| 16:56.29 | mentor | fantomas: no |
| 16:56.35 | fantomas | mentor: ty |
| 16:56.35 | babaan | !ops jdnoob |
| 16:56.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: babaan complains about: jdnoob |
| 16:56.40 | mentor | fantomas: man make-kpkg |
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| 16:56.53 | asg | JyZyXEL: you may also want ask #proftpd if it is something that is possible |
| 16:56.53 | fantomas | mentor: its long ) |
| 16:56.56 | jdnoob | babaan u queer |
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| 16:57.06 | JyZyXEL | !customer |
| 16:57.07 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 16:57.30 | JyZyXEL | asg the channel is dead |
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| 16:59.22 | fantomas | mentor: so its simpy make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers? (after skimming man) |
| 16:59.35 | JyZyXEL | asg oh i just discovered that it doesn't allow the deletion of directorys if their no empty |
| 16:59.52 | mentor | fantomas: SIAS |
| 16:59.57 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: that's normal unix behaviour |
| 17:00.06 | fgeek | :) |
| 17:00.07 | JyZyXEL | yea well that suits me |
| 17:00.10 | fantomas | !SIAS |
| 17:00.10 | dpkg | Suck It And See |
| 17:00.53 | fantomas | mentor: oh you rude man |
| 17:01.02 | fantomas | mentor: instead of typig yes/now |
| 17:01.06 | fantomas | no |
| 17:01.31 | simonrvn | it just means try it |
| 17:01.31 | mentor | fantomas: Well, one might contend that you are rude for taking up my time asking me instead of just seeing. |
| 17:01.40 | mentor | s/sseeing/trying it/ |
| 17:02.09 | mentor | i'm not entirely sure the idiom actually comes from anything rude in the first place, but I have no data on that |
| 17:02.27 | simonrvn | i interpret it as "suck it up" |
| 17:03.25 | asg | JyZyXEL: cool |
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| 17:03.43 | fantomas | mentor: on old station it takes some time to get the result, which severe thing comparing to your 3 seconds to read my question and type yes/no. imo |
| 17:04.10 | fantomas | mentor: anyway, my first question was not addressed to you |
| 17:04.22 | fantomas | mentor: so its you, who start 'helping' by rtfming ) |
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| 17:05.10 | simonrvn | oh ffs, let it go |
| 17:05.15 | jelly-home | fantomas: one thing you might forget is to add a --initrd option |
| 17:05.32 | fantomas | jelly-home: thats what I does! thank you! |
| 17:05.41 | fantomas | 've done |
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| 17:08.26 | mentor | fantomas: Well, personally, I'm quire happy to ignore you to my hearts content. However, from a point of responsibility, let me inform you that a general lack of interest in reading documentation and doing things yourself will not get you particularly far with the greater set of people here. Similarly, assuming people are being rude rather than, say, just not knowing what exactly will happen when you run a command will not help either. |
| 17:08.32 | mentor | ooh |
| 17:08.39 | mentor | s/hearts/heart's/ |
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| 17:09.37 | fantomas | mentor: thanks you lection. I appreciate this. Now let me SIAS |
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| 17:13.20 | fantomas | mentor: but its kind of funny - after six years on this channel you tell me about greater set of people here :) Anyway, sorry for disturing you. Don't waste time on me! Regards. |
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| 17:14.37 | Mike0x0 | I've got my two monitors working on etchnhalf and KDE, but I can't drag applications/windows between the left and right screen. I can, however, move my mouse between them. Is there a trick to moving windows from one screen to another? |
| 17:15.05 | fantomas | Mike0x0: enable Xinerama in xorg.conf |
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| 17:16.51 | Mike0x0 | fantomas, I see that libxinerama1 is installed, but what do I need to tweak in xorg.conf? |
| 17:17.25 | fantomas | Mike0x0: Option "Xinerama" "true" in ServerLayout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:17.43 | mentor | Well, you can lead a horse to water... |
| 17:17.53 | mentor | wanders off |
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| 17:18.33 | fantomas | mentor: me? I can't translate this, sorry :) Not english native, understand very simple phrases :) |
| 17:18.41 | orangey | hey all. |
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| 17:18.51 | orangey | I'm trying to SSH into a debian server behind a firewall. |
| 17:18.58 | fantomas | is working hard to start understanding English movies |
| 17:19.07 | orangey | is there something like "listen" for ssh's client so the server can connect out? |
| 17:19.24 | Mike0x0 | fantomas, thanks. rebooting x. |
| 17:21.22 | fantomas | mentor: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/you-can-lead-a-horse-to-water.html - found it! :) |
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| 17:22.25 | mentor | fantomas: Maybe you should be open to admitting a larger range of intended meanings if you are not a native speaker... |
| 17:22.36 | fantomas | mentor: true |
| 17:23.41 | hoxu | orangey, you may want to have a look at autossh |
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| 17:25.47 | orangey | hoxu: Appears overly complex. I had hoped there would be a flag within ssh itself. |
| 17:25.57 | orangey | hoxu: like the -listen option in vncviewer, for example. |
| 17:26.54 | hoxu | orangey, sounds like you want to run a ssh server on the "client" side and have the "server" automatically make a reverse tunnel to it |
| 17:27.26 | orangey | sure. |
| 17:27.27 | hoxu | I'm quite confused to why you are calling something a server if it's behind a firewall and inaccessible |
| 17:27.38 | orangey | hoxu: well, I want to control that computer. |
| 17:27.48 | orangey | I'm running SSH. it's running SSHd |
| 17:27.48 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 17:28.29 | hoxu | orangey, sshd on the remote is useless as long as it's inaccessible. I suggested autossh, I don't have any other ideas right now |
| 17:28.57 | orangey | hoxu: OK. thanks for the help |
| 17:29.15 | fantomas | orangey: can't you simply port forward on firewall? (know you probably can't, but what if...) |
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| 17:30.25 | orangey | fantomas: I do wish so ; ) However, port forwarding is not possible. I was simply looking for an SSH analogue to what VNC can do, with the tightvncconnect / vncviewer -listen combo |
| 17:31.00 | petemc | orangey: the usual method is a ssh tunnel to a server outside the firewall |
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| 17:33.41 | phorce1 | orangey: if 22 is blocked at the firewall, find out why. Then, if you (or some other tech) have physical access to the machine running sshd just change the port it listens on to one that is not blocked. |
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| 17:35.16 | phorce1 | orangey: Note the "Find out why" bit. If you circumvent someone else's firewall by port swapping they may get a bit upset. |
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| 17:37.51 | orangey | phorce1: thank you. I appreciate that you're treating this thoroughly. However, I have a particular objective that appears to be not easily achievable, so I'm going to move on. |
| 17:38.16 | orangey | though it is a shame there isn't an analogue of VNC's vncconnect / vncviewer -listen |
| 17:38.33 | petemc | how does that get past a firewall ? |
| 17:39.06 | fantomas | doesn't understand too |
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| 17:42.22 | hoxu | I can't think of any way to go through the firewall except udp hole punching, and I doubt that's useful in this case |
| 17:42.35 | hoxu | assuming firewall here refers to NAT |
| 17:42.48 | hoxu | (bleh!) |
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| 17:46.12 | phorce1 | hoxu: I tend to assume firewall means firewall when someone mentions accessing an sshd that is firewalled (probably because I block 22 for most machines on my /24 and don't use NAT for much except customer computers that I want DMZ'd from my in-house network for diagnosis). |
| 17:47.01 | hoxu | phorce1, well, port forwarding was mentioned, so I thought of NAT, but yeah, more info wouldn't hurt... |
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| 17:51.39 | enouf | orangey: can you access the remote pc that's running sshd at all? is sshd listening on 22 (or some other known port)? |
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| 17:54.03 | thechef | I'd like to select just one channel in audacity |
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| 17:58.10 | enouf | select it for? recording, playback? use alsamixer? |
| 17:58.34 | enouf | try mono instead of stereo? |
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| 18:04.50 | groton_ | anyone could look to these data to help me to find out why i cant get an ip addree to a wifi wpa access point? http://rafb.net/p/Xz43XZ85.html |
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| 18:07.19 | cahoot | groton_: is that a wep key? |
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| 18:07.47 | groton_ | cahoot, no, it is wpa |
| 18:08.13 | cahoot | groton_: in tah case the wpa-supplicant.conf looks a bit sparse |
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| 18:08.30 | groton_ | cahoot, perhaps :) |
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| 18:09.06 | cahoot | groton_: /usr/share/doc/wpa-suppl... offers some examples |
| 18:09.17 | groton_ | cahoot, what does it lack? |
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| 18:10.48 | cahoot | groton_:mine includes: key_mgmt, proto, pairwise, group (don't ask me why) |
| 18:11.33 | groton_ | cahoot, ok, i will add those |
| 18:12.44 | cahoot | groton_: http://rafb.net/p/dBUtMV22.html |
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| 18:14.52 | kmindi | is away: nac |
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| 18:18.17 | groton_ | cahoot, nothing changed :/ |
| 18:18.44 | cahoot | groton_: run wpa-supplicant from cli |
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| 18:18.59 | cahoot | and check error msgs |
| 18:19.20 | groton_ | the complete command line in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:19.22 | Triforce6400 | my laptop keeps crashing every time I try to resize this partition during the net install |
| 18:19.36 | Triforce6400 | it stays at a blue screen for a long time then restarts |
| 18:19.40 | cahoot | groton_: run wpa-supplicant from cli - it will tell you syntax |
| 18:19.44 | cameronh | how can i get apt to stop keeping so many packages in /var/cache/apt? I'm using a network wide cache, so it doesn't need to keep stuff on the hard drive after it's done with it |
| 18:20.03 | Triforce6400 | i's an amd64 and I've tried both the i386 and the amd64 versions |
| 18:20.56 | Triforce6400 | how am I supposed to make this work |
| 18:21.01 | Triforce6400 | useless linux .-. |
| 18:21.16 | Triforce6400 | oh weird it went through this time |
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| 18:21.19 | cahoot | useless linuxuser |
| 18:21.51 | groton_ | cahoot, the problem is that the ssid is not broadcasted by the AP i have here. So from the output of wpa_supplicant seems clearly that it does not find it |
| 18:22.04 | Triforce6400 | it finally worked this time |
| 18:22.06 | Triforce6400 | bbl |
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| 18:22.39 | cahoot | groton_: well at least a beginning of a solution |
| 18:22.45 | groton_ | cahoot, http://rafb.net/p/xKVf8774.html |
| 18:22.48 | groton_ | cahoot, yeah |
| 18:23.38 | cahoot | groton_: iwlist scan - no essid? |
| 18:24.24 | groton_ | ESSID:"" |
| 18:24.34 | groton_ | it sees it, but the name field is empty |
| 18:24.57 | groton_ | so it never matches the one i provides (which is its name, but the AP does not broadcast it) |
| 18:25.01 | cahoot | groton_: I wonder if wpa-suppl can use MAC ? |
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| 18:26.14 | groton_ | cahoot, perhaps, but i hope the essid should be sufficient, at least that is on Windows |
| 18:26.29 | AntiPasto | hey there... anyone up for a package management question? |
| 18:27.23 | AntiPasto | or maybe there is a better channel? |
| 18:28.27 | cahoot | groton_: so the AP offers an ssid that windows 'sees'? |
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| 18:28.37 | Ace2016_- | AntiPasto: is te question about debian package management? |
| 18:28.48 | groton_ | cahoot, no, i set it in the dialog panel, and it connects to it |
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| 18:29.12 | cahoot | groton_: is this a router you manage yourself? |
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| 18:29.41 | AntiPasto | yeah, dpkg, apt the like |
| 18:29.49 | groton_ | cahoot, yes, i could change it to broadcast the ssid |
| 18:29.58 | cahoot | sounds like an idea |
| 18:30.03 | groton_ | ok |
| 18:30.18 | phorce1 | !tell AntiPasto about ask |
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| 18:30.35 | AntiPasto | thank you |
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| 18:33.19 | AntiPasto | In a nutshell, I'd like to download amd64 packages, but i'm on i386... like the build tools.... in order to build a special network driver... can i use apt to automate this so that i can get all the dependencies? i've been googling here, still reading, but wondering if anyone has done that before |
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| 18:40.29 | AntiPasto | hrmm i found this, heh http://www.batmat.net/apt-offline/ |
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| 18:41.48 | JordiGH | Hm, getting Debian to fit into 2 gigs is getting to be a challenge. |
| 18:41.53 | JordiGH | Gnome won't fit. :-( |
| 18:41.59 | Philips | "using apt offine " seems interested |
| 18:42.38 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you say that as if one would actually want Gnome? |
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| 18:43.17 | Shovi | u cant get gnome to fit |
| 18:43.17 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Well, I like gnome, but maybe not on the Eee PC. This whole lack of a right ctrl key is really throwing me out of whack. |
| 18:43.20 | Shovi | lol |
| 18:43.29 | Shovi | i tried to put it on my hd, 3.8 gigs |
| 18:43.32 | Shovi | i ran out of space |
| 18:43.38 | Shovi | after i installed some basic apps |
| 18:43.41 | jberg- | hmm, if you're using wpasupplicant, should you specify ESSID and network key in /etc/network/interfaces or wpasupplicant.conf? or both? |
| 18:43.44 | Shovi | pidgin, xchat, thunderbird |
| 18:43.49 | groton_ | cahoot, now it found the right ip, but still my client does not get a ip thru dhcp |
| 18:44.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: or just buy a large SD card |
| 18:44.19 | cahoot | groton_: so now you're connected to the router? |
| 18:44.25 | jberg- | can i just remove iface wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant will take care of it? |
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| 18:44.50 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Are they cheap? |
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| 18:45.08 | cahoot | jberg-: run wpa-supplicant from interfaces? |
| 18:45.21 | phorce1 | got a 16G SD for USD $25 to stick in my camera. Discovered that the will be saying I can take 999 more pictures for a while before it finally starts going down. |
| 18:45.24 | jberg- | cahoot, hmm |
| 18:45.31 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no idea, cheapness is relative |
| 18:45.38 | JordiGH | 25 USD? That's not bad. |
| 18:45.53 | JordiGH | 16 gigs is a long ways up from 2 gigs. :-/ |
| 18:46.28 | phorce1 | JordiGH: that's VERY good - you're probably looking at double that on the open market. One of my dealers was having a special. |
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| 18:46.43 | JordiGH | phorce1: Aw. |
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| 18:48.20 | phorce1 | It's a "Patriot" brand Class 6 card. May want to search pricewatch.com Avoid A-Data cards, the last 2 (4Gig) I had were not as fast as their Class4 rating should be. |
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| 18:55.40 | AntiPasto | fyi that apt-offline trick is pretty slick, gives me new faith in the whole of linux |
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| 18:57.02 | enouf | !apt-build |
| 18:57.02 | dpkg | i heard apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 18:57.23 | speaker219 | 404 |
| 18:58.27 | zaphands | Hello all! I'm trying to install nvidia-drivers using the installer and a custom kernel. I downloaded and compiled the custom kernel in /usr/src/linux -> linux-2.6.28. I thought that this is the standard place to put the sources but appearently the installer thinks otherwise. The installer won't agree to compile even with the --kernel-source-path cmd line option. Can anyone help? |
| 18:59.08 | enouf | http://julien.danjou.info/software/ |
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| 18:59.59 | stoned | HELLO! |
| 19:00.12 | mordy | hello! |
| 19:00.19 | stoned | what is up? |
| 19:00.29 | mordy | meh, just woke up |
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| 19:00.43 | stoned | me too |
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| 19:00.46 | mordy | just figured out how to use thihs screen thing |
| 19:00.50 | stoned | hah |
| 19:01.00 | stoned | you nitwit! screen pwnz0rz jo0! |
| 19:01.11 | mordy | ROTFL |
| 19:01.15 | stoned | screen is awesome man, its like a shell multiplexer |
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| 19:01.31 | stoned | you know there are cli based window managers you can use too... |
| 19:01.32 | enouf | dpkg: apt-build =~ s,http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html,http://julien.danjou.info/projects/, |
| 19:01.32 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 19:02.01 | mordy | it's like this ub3r mult1pl3x0rz |
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| 19:02.39 | mordy | stoned, what do you mean? like tiled shells? |
| 19:02.47 | stoned | no |
| 19:02.59 | stoned | fullscreen, just an extrapolation on screen actually |
| 19:03.25 | mordy | hmm... that's a name of a package? |
| 19:03.37 | stoned | !smack mordy |
| 19:03.37 | dpkg | smacks mordy upside the head. |
| 19:03.41 | mordy | lol |
| 19:03.41 | stoned | no. |
| 19:03.48 | phorce1 | needs to fix scrollback in his .screenrc. It annoys him when he does an 'ls' on a big directory and has to pipe it into less because he can't scroll back up to see what he missed. |
| 19:04.44 | \amethyst | phorce1: ctrl-a [ then uparrow or pgup |
| 19:04.56 | \amethyst | oh |
| 19:04.57 | \amethyst | nm |
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| 19:05.23 | leifdk1978 | hey guys have a small problem |
| 19:05.24 | stoned | !twin |
| 19:05.25 | dpkg | well, twin is http://sourceforge.net/projects/twin and http://twin.sourceforge.net/twin-screenshot.gif |
| 19:05.35 | stoned | seriously a desc could have been useful |
| 19:05.41 | stoned | !factinfo twin |
| 19:05.42 | dpkg | twin -- created by gears <gears@geeks.linux.com> at Mon Oct 30 12:15:57 2000 (2980 days); it has been requested 15 times, last by stoned, 17s ago. |
| 19:06.11 | mordy | stoned - this is the window manager you were talking about? |
| 19:06.20 | phorce1 | \amethyst: heh, that works .. but, "Copy mode"? |
| 19:06.34 | enouf | judd: versions twin |
| 19:06.34 | judd | enouf: twin -- |
| 19:06.35 | leifdk1978 | any danish pll that may be able to help me whit a xorg config problem |
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| 19:06.44 | \amethyst | phorce1: yes, in addition to scrolling back you can copy text |
| 19:06.55 | enouf | i recall it being in unstable or exper |
| 19:07.02 | stoned | Twin (Text WINdows) is a text-mode windowing environment written and maintained by Massimiliano Ghilardi; it draws and manages text windows on a text-mode display, like X11 does for graphical windows. It has a built-in window manager and terminal emulator, and can be used as server for remote clients in the same style as X11. It can display on Linux console, on X11 and inside itself. |
| 19:07.06 | Martiin | Does somebody play xiaspora ? |
| 19:07.16 | \amethyst | phorce1: move to the beginning of the text to copy, press space, move to the end, press space again |
| 19:07.19 | phorce1 | \amethyst: copying text is what my mouse is for <grin> |
| 19:07.24 | \amethyst | phorce1: c-a ] to paste |
| 19:07.30 | stoned | Martiin, #debian-games |
| 19:07.53 | Martiin | nikoi nqma |
| 19:08.09 | phorce1 | \amethyst: although I suppose I could use "copy mode" to copy text that doesn't all fit on the visible screen. |
| 19:08.22 | leifdk1978 | :) |
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| 19:08.46 | \amethyst | phorce1: it's also useful if you don't have mouse support for whatever reason (console without gpm for example) |
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| 19:08.57 | stoned | or you can try Ratpoison |
| 19:09.02 | stoned | kill the fucking rodends |
| 19:09.04 | stoned | rodents* |
| 19:09.14 | stoned | be leet |
| 19:09.21 | stoned | and DO NOT tell me about enter! |
| 19:09.27 | leifdk1978 | hey guys is there a program in gnome that lets one configure x11 |
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| 19:09.39 | stoned | leifdk1978, you don't want to do that |
| 19:09.54 | stoned | leifdk1978, /etc/X11/xorg.conf <- 10 literally 10 minutes to learn how to configure |
| 19:09.54 | leifdk1978 | stoned, i cant play nexus and stuff |
| 19:10.07 | phorce1 | configuring X while running X is .... hazardous ... at best |
| 19:10.08 | enouf | danish pentiumII ? |
| 19:10.26 | leifdk1978 | naa it fucks up the gfx |
| 19:10.30 | mordy | phorce, doesn't X only read the config file while it loads? |
| 19:10.33 | stoned | leifdk1978, be mroe specific |
| 19:10.42 | stoned | !tell leifdk1978 -about ask |
| 19:10.53 | leifdk1978 | stoned it makes the grafic all pixels |
| 19:11.13 | stoned | that could mean a bajillion things |
| 19:11.32 | leifdk1978 | yeah i know just dont seem to be able to fiend what |
| 19:11.57 | stoned | 1) pastebin the xorg.conf file, and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. 2) what gfx card? 3) which driver? 4) which debian release? 5) how did you install the drivers? |
| 19:12.08 | stoned | seriously, have you ever asked for help before? |
| 19:12.18 | enouf | 30 yrs old? |
| 19:12.23 | leifdk1978 | just standard net install |
| 19:12.36 | Martiin | How can I make a server on Xiaspora.? |
| 19:12.53 | stoned | Martiin, how is this debian related? |
| 19:12.55 | enouf | never heard of it |
| 19:13.15 | stoned | Martiin, #debian-games or go to the irc channel/forum/website of that Xiaspora |
| 19:13.51 | Martiin | fuck |
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| 19:14.03 | stoned | Martiin, also, don't fucking swear in here. |
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| 19:14.07 | stoned | goddamn. |
| 19:14.26 | stoned | nobody? |
| 19:14.28 | mordy | hmm,... is there a way to maky my gnome terminal title bar flash whens omeone says my name in irssi"? |
| 19:14.39 | stoned | I thought that would've been a funny bit |
| 19:14.47 | mordy | lol |
| 19:14.52 | stoned | mordy, ok, you're on gnome? |
| 19:15.05 | mordy | stoned, no, i'm just using its terminal |
| 19:15.05 | stoned | mordy, you know its getting really hard to be your friend anymore |
| 19:15.06 | stoned | :/ |
| 19:15.14 | mordy | lol |
| 19:15.37 | stoned | mordy, no I dunno, perhaps ask in irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 19:15.47 | stoned | or #debian-gnome in irc.debian.org |
| 19:15.59 | mordy | i gather you don't like gnome terminal |
| 19:16.07 | stoned | I just don't use it |
| 19:16.13 | JordiGH | mordy: Set visible audio bell in gnome-terminal. Let me see.. |
| 19:16.14 | stoned | so I can't offer any advice, I use Konsole |
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| 19:17.34 | JordiGH | mordy: Actually, I'm not sure you can make gnome-terminal do that flashy thing... |
| 19:18.11 | stoned | yup |
| 19:18.12 | mordy | yeah, was looking for that, jordigh |
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| 19:18.22 | mordy | can't find any .gnome-terminal configuration file either |
| 19:18.22 | stoned | I just right click a tab, and click monitor for activity |
| 19:18.36 | stoned | c'mon get with the program |
| 19:18.41 | stoned | use a DE that actually works |
| 19:18.52 | stoned | KDE! FTW! Konsole is the shiznit. |
| 19:18.52 | mordy | i use xfce |
| 19:19.09 | stoned | mordy, same thing, its a neutered gnome. |
| 19:19.12 | Tekno | lxde is teh best |
| 19:19.12 | stoned | big deal. |
| 19:19.31 | stoned | xfce is like gnome with its balls chopped off by someone |
| 19:19.34 | mordy | it's just that the default terminal is gnome and until now i haven't really seen a reason to change it |
| 19:19.44 | stoned | mordy, have you ever tried KDE? |
| 19:19.45 | mordy | stoned, for one, i can't stand kde |
| 19:19.49 | stoned | you suck |
| 19:19.52 | stoned | just go away man |
| 19:19.54 | mordy | lol |
| 19:19.57 | phorce1 | mordy: yes, it only reads it when it loads. But the idea is to configure it in a TTY then try to start it from another tty. If it fails, you still have the edited config open so you can back out your changes and return to a known-good state to try again. If you edited it while in X, then you restart X and it fails. You get to take the "crash course" in fixing a broken X. |
| 19:19.58 | stoned | don't even like you know like talk to me man you know |
| 19:19.58 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:20.25 | phorce1 | (yes, I was slow on that response -- customer called --- please continue to ignore me) |
| 19:20.42 | stoned | phorce1, we done forgot what you wuz asking dog |
| 19:20.48 | mordy | haha |
| 19:20.51 | stoned | :) |
| 19:21.26 | phorce1 | < phorce1> configuring X while running X is .... hazardous ... at best |
| 19:21.32 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.43 | stoned | phorce1, xrandr |
| 19:21.45 | simonrvn | unless you like adventure ;) |
| 19:21.49 | stoned | thats what you need |
| 19:22.01 | stoned | you can dump out the settings and modify xorg.conf and restart X |
| 19:22.04 | stoned | have fun |
| 19:22.23 | stoned | simonrvn, I am writing an adventure game! |
| 19:22.37 | stoned | simonrvn, chose your own adventure, with interactive graphics and story |
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| 19:22.55 | stoned | simonrvn, so smoke a joint go to page 47. To smoke in a bong, go back 3 pages. |
| 19:23.06 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 19:23.22 | phorce1 | rewrites xorg.conf while in an xterm --- but he know how to fix what he broke if it won't start back up (assuming he actually has a chance to restart X on the same day he modified the file) |
| 19:23.27 | mordy | i'm sure you'll make it to the ny times bestseller list |
| 19:23.49 | simonrvn | s/ny/high/ |
| 19:23.57 | stoned | lol |
| 19:23.58 | mordy | lol |
| 19:24.01 | stoned | oh man |
| 19:24.04 | stoned | I love simonrvn |
| 19:24.06 | stoned | c'mere you |
| 19:24.11 | stoned | !group hug |
| 19:24.11 | dpkg | hug: use the group, Luke |
| 19:24.19 | stoned | wtf |
| 19:24.24 | phorce1 | hahahaha |
| 19:24.26 | phorce1 | ha |
| 19:24.33 | simonrvn | hehehee |
| 19:24.42 | stoned | !literal group |
| 19:24.42 | dpkg | "group" is "<REPLY> adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page." |
| 19:24.44 | stoned | ahh |
| 19:24.46 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.46 | dpkg | i don't know, phorce1 |
| 19:25.54 | mordy | well, my main problem with KDE is that it's too cluttered, but sometimes that crap is useful |
| 19:26.15 | stoned | mordy, are you serious? I haven't used anything but KDE in the longest time |
| 19:26.15 | mordy | the thing is that if kde is slimmed down, it just looks ugly, and you may as well get a slimmed down de that actually looks nice |
| 19:26.31 | schme_ | Oh KDE. I tried that a few days ago. It was braindead. absolutely braindead. |
| 19:26.38 | stoned | I start from kde-core and configure it exactly how I want |
| 19:26.46 | stoned | THEN I add apps I need and configure them |
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| 19:27.05 | schme_ | I couldn't use the gfx config thing to configure Meta-Tab for window switching. So no window switching. That's just sad. |
| 19:27.11 | stoned | and I've been running kde on a mix of sid/experimental and half source compiled shit |
| 19:27.15 | enouf | stoned: wtf does "Set selection end" mean? |
| 19:27.18 | stoned | for 5 years |
| 19:27.28 | stoned | enouf, are you serious? |
| 19:27.46 | simonrvn | schme_: i just use xmodmap or set it up in xorg.conf |
| 19:28.00 | enouf | stoned: yes - and KDE is brain-fucken-dead |
| 19:28.16 | schme_ | simonrvn: Ok. How would I use xmodmap to tell KDE that I want to switch windows with meta+tab instead of alt+tab ? |
| 19:28.17 | stoned | enouf, you're a turd! or tard, whichever is funnier |
| 19:28.23 | hoxu | !enouf |
| 19:28.23 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 19:28.28 | stoned | enouf, I guess it means to set selection end |
| 19:28.37 | stoned | enouf, first you start to select soemthing and then yo ustop selecting it |
| 19:28.39 | stoned | I guess |
| 19:28.44 | enouf | stoned: i can tell you atleast 5 separate areas where the Bell can be configured or stomp on other settings |
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| 19:28.58 | schme_ | simonrvn: Because it makes very little sense to me to do that. |
| 19:29.00 | enouf | stoned: i didn't select anything you weenie |
| 19:29.15 | enouf | stoned: so why is "Set selection end" there? |
| 19:29.18 | stoned | enouf, on that konsole setting |
| 19:29.21 | simonrvn | schme_: i don't know i don't use it. i suppose you could use the keyboard shortcuts thinygy |
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| 19:29.29 | stoned | it simply does thigns like this |
| 19:29.50 | stoned | :@-./_~?=,&()+% <-- talking about this? |
| 19:29.59 | st_ | I have a linux-supported WUSB54GC USB Wifi (linksys) adapter. Now, I know it works fine in ubuntu 32bit 8.10 but I want to test the new alpha 64bit version and I'm curious as to whether it will affect the driver compatibility that ubuntu already has within it. Thank you. |
| 19:30.07 | schme_ | simonrvn: Right. That is what I tried to do. use the shortcut config thing in KDE. It asked me what to use for window switching and I hit meta+tab, and it thinks I hit just tab. Absolutely braindead. |
| 19:30.10 | stoned | when you double click to select something, it takes these characters and doesn't stop selecting til then? |
| 19:30.13 | simonrvn | kde4 is worse. all eye candy. |
| 19:30.14 | stoned | is that it? |
| 19:30.18 | stoned | simonrvn, I agree |
| 19:30.20 | enouf | stoned: no |
| 19:30.25 | simonrvn | stoned: wtf |
| 19:30.28 | stoned | enouf, what are you talking about |
| 19:30.31 | schme_ | simonrvn: So end result is that I can't have a good keyboard shortcut for window switching in it. So it just blows imo :) |
| 19:30.32 | simonrvn | schme_: ^^^ |
| 19:30.42 | simonrvn | stoned: bad tab |
| 19:30.48 | stoned | you are the man! |
| 19:31.08 | stoned | enouf, confused |
| 19:31.11 | stoned | sorry, still confused |
| 19:31.19 | stoned | no idea what you are asking |
| 19:31.28 | enouf | stoned: what you just showed is in the Settings > Configure Konsole crap dialog - and that setting is to let it know which characters to consider as part/non-part of a word |
| 19:31.28 | schme_ | (I might add that gnome does the same braindead thing, so that also blows) |
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| 19:31.36 | stoned | enouf, yes |
| 19:31.50 | phorce1 | dang, picard was doing SO well cleaning up the 11,000 tracks I stufed into it. Then, suddenly my irssi starts acting funny. One of the tracks (with 6000 remaining to process) caused a loop in picard <sigh> starting over. |
| 19:32.16 | stoned | enouf, oh right click toncext menu |
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| 19:32.27 | stoned | enouf, simple man I swear to go dyou need to like just siddown and put on a helmet |
| 19:32.30 | stoned | :) |
| 19:32.40 | enouf | stoned: there are atleast 5 thousand config options throughout kde that i have no FUCKEN idea what they mean, or are supposed to do ... Open kwrite for example - what a dump |
| 19:32.41 | stoned | enouf, click anywhere in the konsole window, any column/row position |
| 19:32.45 | stoned | enouf, after that |
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| 19:32.58 | stoned | enouf, move the mouse cursor somewhere else, past that point, and click set selection end |
| 19:33.00 | enouf | stoned: it's stupid ... |
| 19:33.06 | enouf | and meant for stupid people |
| 19:33.07 | stoned | everything between those two points would get selected |
| 19:33.14 | schme_ | applauds enouf |
| 19:33.16 | stoned | enouf, yeh well you asked me what meant |
| 19:33.18 | stoned | I'm telling you |
| 19:33.19 | enouf | stoned: suck my selection end |
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| 19:33.24 | enouf | no |
| 19:33.26 | stoned | take up the stupidity with the kde people in #kde |
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| 19:33.34 | stoned | enouf, oh dude.. sick. |
| 19:33.35 | mordy | lol |
| 19:33.50 | zdejota | lol |
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| 19:34.06 | stoned | seriously, old people |
| 19:34.09 | stoned | senile ! ;) |
| 19:34.17 | mordy | is there a reason i can't login with kdm from xnest to a new de? |
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| 19:34.27 | shams | how can i change text screen(ctrl+alt+F1) font size? |
| 19:34.29 | shams | how can i change text screen(ctrl+alt+F1) font size? |
| 19:34.44 | Triforce6400 | debian doesn't show any wireless connections from iwconfig or the network thing in the top right |
| 19:34.46 | stoned | shams, what? |
| 19:34.48 | simonrvn | it's called console |
| 19:35.05 | stoned | shams, you can specify VGA modes wto the kernel |
| 19:35.10 | Triforce6400 | i know the wireless works on this laptop, it's working now with windows |
| 19:35.12 | simonrvn | !console |
| 19:35.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, console is the opposite of x, or your ass in a can |
| 19:35.16 | phorce1 | is it Sunday already? |
| 19:35.18 | mordy | lol |
| 19:35.20 | enouf | shams: alter your resolution - setup fbcon |
| 19:35.20 | blubberdiblub | shams, use "consolechars -f <put_the_console_font_here_you_want>" |
| 19:35.20 | stoned | !vesafb |
| 19:35.20 | dpkg | it has been said that vesafb is crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module. |
| 19:35.25 | stoned | !vesa |
| 19:35.26 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 19:35.27 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 19:35.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 19:35.32 | stoned | enouf, thanks |
| 19:35.38 | enouf | np |
| 19:35.41 | simonrvn | !factinfo console |
| 19:35.41 | dpkg | console -- last modified at Thu Mar 4 21:20:07 2004 by kjk137!~kjk137@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com; it has been requested 75 times, last by simonrvn, 29s ago. |
| 19:35.47 | mordy | i thihnk shams wants to know how he can change the size while the console is running |
| 19:35.53 | stoned | mordy, you can't |
| 19:36.04 | Triforce6400 | it only lets me put the resolution up to 1024x768 and this screen is made for much higher than that |
| 19:36.12 | enouf | mordy: if so - see fbset |
| 19:36.17 | enouf | stoned: yes you can |
| 19:36.23 | stoned | not with kernel param |
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| 19:36.32 | simonrvn | you need an fb driver for that |
| 19:36.42 | stoned | its isn't alrady built in to all kernels |
| 19:36.44 | stoned | debians ock |
| 19:36.45 | stoned | stock |
| 19:36.58 | enouf | stoned: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html |
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| 19:37.06 | stoned | enouf, I know |
| 19:37.26 | stoned | enouf, we'ren ot talking about the same thing nm |
| 19:37.43 | schme_ | shams: Also look at setfont |
| 19:37.48 | enouf | you can also just select/set the correct font in /etc/console*/config? |
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| 19:38.07 | blubberdiblub | as i just said .. |
| 19:38.08 | enouf | !info console-tools |
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| 19:38.32 | dpkg | console-tools: (Linux console and font utilities), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.3dbs-65.1 (sid), Packaged size: 290 kB, Installed size: 892 kB |
| 19:38.34 | Triforce6400 | debian doesn't show any wireless connections from iwconfig or the network manager in the top right |
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| 19:39.01 | schme_ | Triforce6400: Ok. |
| 19:39.08 | mordy | lol |
| 19:39.18 | Triforce6400 | .-. |
| 19:39.28 | shams | blubberdiblub: can i set size of font in this command? |
| 19:39.43 | Vandrizm | Triforce6400: what does iwconfig show? |
| 19:39.44 | blubberdiblub | shams: yes, you have to select the font with the size you want |
| 19:40.08 | Triforce6400 | says there's no connections |
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| 19:40.17 | mordy | triforce, then there's no connection |
| 19:40.30 | Triforce6400 | I'm right next to my wifi router and it works on windows |
| 19:40.55 | Vandrizm | Triforce6400: what does command iwconfig show exactly? |
| 19:40.56 | mordy | triforce, you need to configure your wlan0 (or equivalent) to connect to that network |
| 19:40.59 | Triforce6400 | I'm on vista right now, I had deb and windows dualboot |
| 19:40.59 | blubberdiblub | shams: you can't rescale the font with that command, tho. it takes the font file as is. most console fonts have several sizes |
| 19:41.11 | schme_ | Triforce6400: Is your widi adapter detected? |
| 19:41.16 | Triforce6400 | I don't know exactly what it said |
| 19:41.22 | Triforce6400 | that's probably it |
| 19:41.24 | schme_ | s/idi/ifi/ |
| 19:41.24 | Triforce6400 | it' |
| 19:41.31 | Triforce6400 | it's inside the laptop |
| 19:41.35 | mordy | triforce, did it say "no wireles extensions found"? |
| 19:41.41 | mordy | or something else |
| 19:41.41 | Triforce6400 | yes |
| 19:41.47 | schme_ | Triforce6400: Ya great. Is it detected by the linux? |
| 19:42.02 | stoned | i am addicted |
| 19:42.03 | Triforce6400 | I don't know, I'll probably have to get drivers for it somewhere |
| 19:42.08 | enouf | not that you can use these (any/all?) with Console, but xlsfonts comes in handy ;-) |
| 19:42.09 | stoned | I just realized this |
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| 19:42.17 | stoned | I can't live without debian |
| 19:42.20 | Triforce6400 | I'm trying to figure out what my wifi chipset it so I can find those |
| 19:42.33 | schme_ | Triforce6400: That's a good start. |
| 19:42.36 | enouf | stoned: can you live without your Bloated DE? |
| 19:42.37 | Vandrizm | try dmesg | tail |
| 19:42.38 | stoned | like if you give me windows or ubuntu or mac or something, yeh sure I'll probably be like fuck, I;ll use it |
| 19:42.43 | mordy | haha |
| 19:42.53 | phorce1 | hmmm /me might try that vga=0x0365 (or 0x037d) when I shut down to put my other stick of RAM back in. |
| 19:42.56 | stoned | enouf, I got a souvenier for ya |
| 19:43.02 | stoned | enouf, its in my pocket, let me just fish it out |
| 19:43.06 | stoned | enouf, and yes :) |
| 19:43.11 | mordy | dmesg | tail won't do much unless he's plugging it in and out |
| 19:43.19 | enouf | !troutsmite stoned |
| 19:43.19 | dpkg | "($1): <action> slaps $1 around a bit with a large trout" |
| 19:44.15 | mordy | troutsmite? |
| 19:44.18 | schme_ | Triforce6400: What you do is check the boot message stuff, and yer dmesg stuffs and see if it pops up. If so great, if not go dig out just what chipset it is and we'll fix you right up. |
| 19:44.27 | enouf | Triforce6400: if windows works, see ##windows and ask how to get hardware info for your device - see Device Mangler perhaps |
| 19:44.35 | enouf | Triforce6400: msinfo32 comes to mind |
| 19:44.37 | Vandrizm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.41 | mordy | enouf, i don't think windows gives you the chipset |
| 19:44.52 | enouf | mordy: wtf? |
| 19:44.58 | enouf | what a dump |
| 19:45.02 | schme_ | Well let's not talk about windows ;) |
| 19:45.06 | schme_ | It's so 1980s |
| 19:45.09 | mordy | it gives you the brand name, never the chipset |
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| 19:45.10 | mordy | lol |
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| 19:45.30 | enouf | mordy: sure it can .. depending on util you use - ask ##windows you weenie |
| 19:45.37 | mordy | gah |
| 19:46.21 | mordy | either way, lspci should let him know the brand name at least |
| 19:46.27 | enouf | slaps stoned around with a huge petrified coelacanth |
| 19:46.31 | mordy | and he can google it to determine which chipset it's using |
| 19:46.33 | Triforce6400 | atheros AR5007EG |
| 19:46.36 | Vandrizm | try everest to figure out your wifi adapter |
| 19:46.40 | Triforce6400 | can't find anything on google yet, ehh |
| 19:46.57 | mordy | atheros is the chipset then |
| 19:47.06 | mordy | i think you need something liek madwifi |
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| 19:47.37 | enouf | Triforce6400: if lspci output shows any 'unknown' run update-pciids as root (also run update-usbids while you're at it) |
| 19:47.49 | Triforce6400 | eh I'm just gonna go into debian with ethernet and do it all from there |
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| 19:48.05 | enouf | ] [dpkg] Factoid search of 'ar5' by value (5): ar5513 ;; dwlg650m ;; madwifi ;; zd1211rw ;; ar5005vl. |
| 19:49.42 | schme_ | great. iceweasel locks up again. |
| 19:49.46 | enouf | mordy: windows XPoop gives me the ever-important Vendor/DeviceID numbers .. |
| 19:50.16 | schme_ | Oh the atheros left. |
| 19:50.29 | enouf | schme_: stop using bloated crap - and ditch the shocktheshitheadmonkeywavewarez |
| 19:50.49 | schme_ | enouf: Right. And you suggest using what? |
| 19:51.06 | mordy | lol, i'm enjoying this |
| 19:51.13 | enouf | schme_: don't ask - but there are tons of other choices - i prefer links2 |
| 19:51.21 | schme_ | Preferably something that blocks ads nice like adblock plus. |
| 19:51.23 | schme_ | I see. |
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| 19:51.29 | schme_ | I generally prefer emacs-w3m meself. |
| 19:51.36 | Triforce6400 | so what was that thing, madwifi |
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| 19:51.48 | schme_ | Triforce6400: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros |
| 19:51.54 | pipeline | privoxy is pretty great |
| 19:51.55 | mhymn | does links2 support UTF8 and flashplayer? |
| 19:52.00 | enouf | Triforce6400: lspci -nn and show us your atheros line |
| 19:52.07 | pipeline | mhymn: utf-8, yes. Flash, hell no. |
| 19:52.17 | schme_ | Triforce6400: Basically you can set it up, but you need to read a bit on the internet first. |
| 19:52.22 | mordy | i didn't see links2 support utf-8 |
| 19:52.26 | pipeline | the great thing about privoxy is that it works with virtually any browser |
| 19:52.33 | enouf | mhymn: it doesn't even support animated GIFs ;-) |
| 19:52.36 | pipeline | mordy: by definition, any terminal mode app supports utf-8 |
| 19:52.54 | pipeline | mordy: that's the whole point of utf-8: it's backwards compatible with ascii :P |
| 19:53.02 | enouf | heh |
| 19:53.10 | Triforce6400 | it doesn't show up on that list |
| 19:53.10 | mordy | hmmm... but something like links2 http://haaretz.co.il - you don't see anything legible there, do youo? |
| 19:53.13 | CuBe0wL_ | hi all! could somebody help me with wpa_supplicant? I can't get it to work with ifup. it works only, if I manually start wpa_supplicant with wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B , manually do an ifconfig wlan0 up, and manually start dhclient |
| 19:53.15 | mhymn | enouf: so there is no chance for me to use it instead of iceweasel, though i hate that crap |
| 19:53.18 | Triforce6400 | it's probably one of those 'unknown devices' |
| 19:53.23 | Triforce6400 | I got like 10 of those |
| 19:53.32 | schme_ | Triforce6400: And quite likely you will have to patch madwifi to work alright. I'm not sure which version of madwifi is in stable, but I assume it's old. |
| 19:53.39 | enouf | <enouf> Triforce6400: if lspci output shows any 'unknown' run update-pciids as root (also run update-usbids while you're at it) |
| 19:54.19 | schme_ | Triforce6400: If so take a look at the neat http://www.ubuntugeek.com/atheros-5007eg-with-madwifi-on-i386-platform.html |
| 19:55.03 | schme_ | Now the problem with links is that it doesn't run well integrated in emacs ;) |
| 19:55.19 | Triforce6400 | after that update therer's still one unknown and my wifi thing doesn't show up, ehh |
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| 19:55.47 | schme | Triforce6400: But you already said what chipset it was. It is no problem. You need madwifi, and perhaps you need to patch it. |
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| 19:55.57 | schme | fark. |
| 19:56.01 | Triforce6400 | I forget what number it was lol |
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| 19:56.09 | schme | 5007EF |
| 19:56.09 | CuBe0wL_ | here's my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/m48df0d6c |
| 19:56.10 | schme | EG |
| 19:56.17 | schme | Triforce6400: 5007EG |
| 19:56.22 | Triforce6400 | thx |
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| 19:56.31 | cobra-the-joker | Hey Guys .....does debian has a GUI installer ... or its TUI ??? |
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| 19:56.34 | Triforce6400 | hm, madwifi isn't showing up on apt-get install |
| 19:56.35 | CuBe0wL_ | I've commented out lot's of stuff, all the thing's I've tried already |
| 19:57.11 | bobbuttons | i can't manage to automount any usb storage device when i plug it in to /media/"device label" like it happens in other distros.. is there a way to do it? |
| 19:57.39 | schme | Triforce6400: Issa in contrib and non-free |
| 19:58.11 | Triforce6400 | gah, I'm not paying for it .-. |
| 19:58.15 | enouf | mhymn: there are other browsers that support flashcrap .. but i use my youtube script + mplayer for youtube weenie crap |
| 19:58.28 | schme | Triforce6400: But it might very well be completly borked for your card, and you might have to grab another source package and patch that instead. |
| 19:58.48 | schme | Triforce6400: non-free has nothing to do with money. It's just not free as in BSD and that other pretend-free license. |
| 19:59.18 | Triforce6400 | oh |
| 19:59.37 | enouf | !tell bobbuttons -about automount |
| 19:59.38 | schme | Triforce6400: indeed. You just need to add it to your list of sources. |
| 19:59.43 | Triforce6400 | so I should add contrib and non-free to the sources |
| 19:59.54 | cobra-the-joker | Triforce6400 , Does debian have a GUI installation ??? |
| 20:00.07 | schme | cobra-the-joker: Debian has a GUI installation. |
| 20:00.07 | Triforce6400 | no.. |
| 20:00.12 | Triforce6400 | that's a GUI? |
| 20:00.15 | enouf | !tell Triforce6400 -about non-free |
| 20:00.15 | schme | What no!? |
| 20:00.30 | mordy | if you get the gtk install images |
| 20:00.33 | schme | I'm sure it has. Why else have I been bitching about how the installer has been messed up? |
| 20:00.34 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: what? |
| 20:00.51 | cobra-the-joker | I downloaded actually the first DVD |
| 20:00.57 | enouf | cobra-the-joker: hit f1-f10 .. |
| 20:01.05 | cobra-the-joker | from the website ....is that TUI ?? |
| 20:01.08 | enouf | read the installation guide |
| 20:01.11 | enouf | !i-g |
| 20:01.12 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
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| 20:01.27 | Triforce6400 | what was that terminal text editor called |
| 20:01.31 | schme | Yeah that's it. Whip out some of the good 'ol rtfm. |
| 20:01.36 | enouf | nano |
| 20:01.36 | Triforce6400 | haven't used debian in about a year lol |
| 20:01.38 | schme | Triforce6400: vi |
| 20:01.39 | Triforce6400 | kthx |
| 20:01.42 | enouf | hides |
| 20:01.44 | Triforce6400 | no it was nano |
| 20:01.45 | mordy | lol |
| 20:01.55 | schme | Triforce6400: Don't listen to enouf. nano is messed up. Just vi like normal people. |
| 20:02.12 | schme | enouf: Man! You sit around telling me about bloat and you use nano! |
| 20:02.13 | goauld | isnt there a guide on how to install debian on the t-mobile g1? |
| 20:02.19 | mordy | what's wrong with nano? it's nice and simple |
| 20:02.22 | cobra-the-joker | so ...the installation is hard ??? |
| 20:02.31 | goauld | vi sucks, nano to the power |
| 20:02.35 | schme | mordy: Well it's complicated. That's what's wrong :) |
| 20:02.37 | enouf | install{gui}, expert{gui}, rescue{gui} .. or mount and browse the fucken DVD and see for yourself |
| 20:02.54 | schme | mordy: and unlike vim it doesn't run so well in an emacs buffer ;) |
| 20:03.00 | Triforce6400 | I've used nano for years and had no problems |
| 20:03.03 | cobra-the-joker | :D.....actually i havent downloaded it yet |
| 20:03.05 | mordy | schme, if someone just wants to write a few new lines to a new file, nano is far easier than vim |
| 20:03.15 | schme | mordy: I don't agree at all. |
| 20:03.21 | enouf | smacks schme with a CTRL key about the head and shoulders |
| 20:03.28 | Triforce6400 | lol @ how easy it is to start an argument over text editos in a linux chatroom |
| 20:03.39 | enouf | !start a editor war |
| 20:03.41 | mordy | well, i personally use vim |
| 20:04.00 | hoxu | !turday |
| 20:04.00 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. There is no way out. |
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| 20:04.20 | mordy | !editor war |
| 20:04.20 | dpkg | well, editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice |
| 20:04.27 | schme | Triforce6400: This is not an argument, it is just contradictions. |
| 20:04.35 | Triforce6400 | eh whatever |
| 20:04.47 | schme | ok. No one got the flying circus joke :( |
| 20:05.12 | Triforce6400 | even after adding contrib and non-free to the end of every line and running apt-get update, madwifi still isn't on there. |
| 20:05.37 | Triforce6400 | ... |
| 20:05.40 | mordy | apt-cache search madwifi? |
| 20:05.46 | schme | Triforce6400: There's madwifi-tools and madwifi-source generally. |
| 20:06.08 | Triforce6400 | oh |
| 20:06.17 | pozic | Can anyone recommend a Linux friendly photo camera manufacturer? |
| 20:06.31 | schme | Triforce6400: Is not aptitude telling you that? |
| 20:06.41 | schme | pozic: I hear good things about canon. |
| 20:06.51 | Triforce6400 | no it didn't |
| 20:07.07 | Triforce6400 | brb |
| 20:07.14 | schme | Odd. |
| 20:08.15 | Triforce6400 | http://pastebin.com/d5448c6f8 |
| 20:08.15 | Triforce6400 | I've already done apt-get update |
| 20:08.15 | schme | cool. |
| 20:08.22 | Triforce6400 | cool? ... |
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| 20:08.29 | schme | What is your sources.list anyway? It seems to just be hitting a cd. |
| 20:09.12 | enouf | apt-cache showsrc madwifi |
| 20:09.15 | goauld | its hitting a non-inserted CD |
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| 20:09.23 | Triforce6400 | http://pastebin.com/d55f8ab77 |
| 20:09.36 | pozic | schme: it seems that they don't support it, but that gphoto2 just reverse-engineered it. |
| 20:09.44 | jhutchins | Someone has been stupid with the dependencies for vim-full. |
| 20:09.47 | enouf | !ar5513 |
| 20:09.47 | dpkg | The Atheros AR5005VL (AR5513) chipset is not yet supported by <madwifi>, see http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros#AtherosAR5005VL and http://madwifi.org/ticket/181 Ask me about <ndiswrapper>. |
| 20:10.14 | enouf | !ar5005vl |
| 20:10.15 | Triforce6400 | mine's not the 5005vl it's something else |
| 20:10.15 | dpkg | The Atheros AR5005VL (AR5513) chipset is not yet supported by <madwifi>, see http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility/Atheros#AtherosAR5005VL and http://madwifi.org/ticket/181 Ask me about <ndiswrapper>. |
| 20:10.35 | schme | Triforce6400: Oh great. so kill the cd one anyway. and maybe add contrib to the one there. |
| 20:10.36 | enouf | hrm . .same factoid :-P |
| 20:10.37 | jhutchins | There ought to be a way to install console-only vim-enhanced without dragging in half of gnome. |
| 20:10.43 | Triforce6400 | !ar5007EG |
| 20:10.44 | schme | Triforce6400: Or just grab the source and patch it for your card and build a module. |
| 20:10.54 | pozic | schme: http://www.gphoto.org/manufacturers/ lists the information |
| 20:10.58 | enouf | Triforce6400: doesn't exist you weenie |
| 20:11.01 | schme | pozic: Oh ok. |
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| 20:11.28 | schme | Triforce6400: You ought to have a madwifi-source though. |
| 20:11.55 | Triforce6400 | gah I don't know any programming languages so that would be useless to me |
| 20:11.58 | enouf | judd: versions madwifi-source |
| 20:11.59 | judd | enouf: madwifi-source -- etch/non-free: 1:0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch2 lenny/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 sid/non-free: 1:0.9.4+r3772.20080716-1 |
| 20:12.03 | schme | Triforce6400: No it's easy. |
| 20:12.32 | Triforce6400 | the source is downloading |
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| 20:12.55 | pozic | schme: and it seems nobody cares. It would have been nice to vote with my money. |
| 20:12.56 | schme | Triforce6400: wget -c http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz && tar xvf madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz && cd madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007 && sudo aptitude install build-essential && sudo make install && sudo modprobe ath_pci && sudo modprobe wlan_scan_sta |
| 20:13.12 | Triforce6400 | kthx |
| 20:13.15 | feer | hi |
| 20:13.26 | schme | Triforce6400: As I said there is a patch to get madwifi workin' with that chipset of yours, but I doubt the etch madwifi sources are up to date for it :) |
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| 20:13.33 | Triforce6400 | that command is doing something |
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| 20:14.16 | Triforce6400 | so now you're saying I'm not going to be able to get debian working on wifi with this |
| 20:14.27 | schme | Triforce6400: It's all in the url I gave you before. |
| 20:14.42 | Triforce6400 | k |
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| 20:15.20 | schme_ | Triforce6400: No I'm not. I'm saying that the sources in etch probably will not work with the patch atheros put out there, so you grab an already patched tarball and build that. |
| 20:15.28 | schme_ | darned freenode |
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| 20:15.30 | Triforce6400 | well now my terminal is cpe-98-15-223-251:/home/kurt/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007#, should I change it back or just leave it |
| 20:15.32 | [sr] | howdy people |
| 20:15.34 | enouf | Triforce6400: if you can't get it working eventually, /msg dpkg ndiswrapper .. last resort, use your wintendo drivers |
| 20:15.48 | schme_ | Triforce6400: and you don't need to know any programming. ;) |
| 20:15.57 | Triforce6400 | cool |
| 20:15.58 | [sr] | i'm currently using cbq.init script to traffic shaping, but changing kernel version just stoped working. |
| 20:16.07 | [sr] | anyone advices another way to traffic shaping? |
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| 20:16.30 | Triforce6400 | gah, what's this |
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| 20:16.47 | Triforce6400 | somehow my directory in my shell is my ip address. probably one ofm y server programs |
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| 20:17.05 | Triforce6400 | nevermind |
| 20:17.07 | smace | I need one valid repository... we do not have apt-setup anymore :( |
| 20:17.39 | nkuttler | smace: man sources.list |
| 20:17.40 | Triforce6400 | schme, where's the tarbell, on the site? |
| 20:17.44 | enouf | !listvals shaping |
| 20:17.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'shaping' by value (8): iprelay a ;; tcng ;; wondershaper ;; htb ;; imq ;; ts ;; traffic shaping ;; iprelay. |
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| 20:17.51 | schme_ | Triforce6400: ? |
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| 20:18.01 | Triforce6400 | you said there was a tarball with the patch |
| 20:18.07 | schme_ | Yeees. |
| 20:18.12 | Triforce6400 | so where is it |
| 20:18.15 | schme_ | http://snapshots.madwifi.org/special/madwifi-ng-r2756+ar5007.tar.gz |
| 20:18.18 | Triforce6400 | kthx |
| 20:18.24 | newsense | im using dhcp and need to set my nameserver, should i put it in /etc/resolve.conf and make it read only ? |
| 20:18.33 | schme_ | ok more coffee and sleep |
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| 20:18.40 | Triforce6400 | darnit |
| 20:18.52 | pif | hi, what tool can I use to extract all images from a pdf ? |
| 20:18.55 | Triforce6400 | it's opening it in a window instead of letting me just save it somewhere |
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| 20:19.16 | enouf | newsense: you should have more than 1 in the list.. as a backup/failover |
| 20:19.30 | Triforce6400 | nvm |
| 20:19.32 | enouf | !pdftk |
| 20:19.33 | dpkg | pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge pdf files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a pdf form. |
| 20:19.41 | nkuttler | pif: pdfimages |
| 20:19.42 | newsense | enouf should i make it read only though because dhcp changes it |
| 20:19.48 | enouf | er.. images? not sure pif |
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| 20:20.07 | enouf | !tell newsense about fixresolvconf |
| 20:20.15 | Triforce6400 | what dpkg command installs a tarball |
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| 20:20.22 | pif | nkuttler: looks good thx |
| 20:20.25 | newsense | enouf, thanks again |
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| 20:20.53 | Triforce6400 | nvm |
| 20:20.59 | enouf | Triforce6400: none, dpkg installs .debs |
| 20:21.00 | NoReGreT | to which file should I add my configured bridge so it is available on startup ? |
| 20:21.08 | Triforce6400 | aghhhhhh |
| 20:21.15 | Triforce6400 | how do I install the tarball then |
| 20:21.30 | enouf | Triforce6400: go the the URLs given you - reread that command schme_ gave you |
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| 20:22.22 | Triforce6400 | I ran that command already |
| 20:22.22 | enouf | i would use module-assistant - then you can use dpkg |
| 20:22.22 | enouf | but that's not what was given to you prior |
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| 20:22.52 | Wardio | hello, i've got a slight issue with my debian install that i was wondering someone could help with, is to do with grub |
| 20:23.01 | enouf | Triforce6400: then make install will install the needed things |
| 20:23.15 | Triforce6400 | 'make install' as a command? |
| 20:23.18 | Wardio | basically it's suddenly stopped booting, coming up with the error "Error 29: Disk Write error" |
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| 20:23.29 | enouf | Triforce6400: if everything went good without errors, lsmod | grep mad |
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| 20:23.39 | enouf | gah |
| 20:23.53 | enouf | Triforce6400: if everything went good without errors, lsmod | egrep 'ath|wlan' |
| 20:23.53 | NoReGreT | what file(s) is responsible for configuring eth's on startup ? |
| 20:24.07 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 20:24.08 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 20:24.19 | Triforce6400 | grep: ath|wlan: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.27 | NoReGreT | enouf: thanks |
| 20:24.28 | enouf | !tell NoReGreT -about z25 |
| 20:24.47 | Wardio | anyone know what's buggered up? |
| 20:24.51 | enouf | Triforce6400: lsmod | grep -E 'ath|wlan' |
| 20:25.03 | enouf | Triforce6400: lsmod | egrep 'ath|wlan' <-- same thing |
| 20:25.27 | Triforce6400 | that one didn't give an error, the one with -E |
| 20:25.38 | enouf | but no output? |
| 20:25.43 | Triforce6400 | nope |
| 20:25.50 | enouf | well bugger all |
| 20:26.21 | Triforce6400 | .. |
| 20:26.23 | Triforce6400 | ha |
| 20:26.36 | enouf | where did the long one-liner fail Triforce6400 ? with sudo? listen, if you're root and sudo isn't configured, remove the sudo from commands |
| 20:26.37 | Triforce6400 | the README file says that I got out of date instructions. |
| 20:26.49 | enouf | bravo |
| 20:27.04 | Triforce6400 | there's another link in there, I'll read that |
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| 20:28.13 | schme_ | Triforce6400: You might enjoy this too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792158 |
| 20:29.02 | schme_ | It is very nice of the ubuntu people to solve problems for the desktop people. :) |
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| 20:31.49 | Triforce6400 | ahhh now I'm in some dir with files for it and make install does nothing |
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| 20:31.56 | enouf | heh |
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| 20:32.39 | enouf | !grub errors |
| 20:32.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub.errors is grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 20:32.51 | enouf | bah - a goner |
| 20:33.01 | Triforce6400 | http://pastebin.com/d48d1d6dc |
| 20:33.08 | Triforce6400 | I think thisi s getting somewhere |
| 20:33.13 | Triforce6400 | what should I do there |
| 20:33.59 | schme_ | Triforce6400: and make does what? |
| 20:34.29 | Triforce6400 | cpe-98-15-223-251:~/madwifi-hal-0.10.5.6-r3879-20081204# make |
| 20:34.29 | Triforce6400 | /bin/sh: line 0: cd: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build: No such file or directory |
| 20:34.29 | Triforce6400 | Makefile.inc:66: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop. |
| 20:34.57 | schme_ | Triforce6400: where are your kernel sources located? |
| 20:35.03 | Triforce6400 | what |
| 20:35.06 | enouf | install -headers |
| 20:35.06 | Triforce6400 | i don't know |
| 20:35.26 | enouf | haha @ wherekernel sources |
| 20:35.27 | Triforce6400 | install: invalid option -- h |
| 20:35.51 | enouf | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 20:35.51 | schme_ | Triforce6400: I think you just need to install build-essential |
| 20:36.01 | enouf | no, he needs headers too |
| 20:36.15 | Triforce6400 | build essential is installed already, just did that |
| 20:36.19 | Triforce6400 | it was before actually |
| 20:36.22 | schme_ | Oh I thought those came with the essential. |
| 20:36.24 | schme_ | tihi. |
| 20:36.35 | enouf | no worries |
| 20:36.54 | Triforce6400 | headers is installing |
| 20:37.26 | Triforce6400 | that's done |
| 20:37.42 | enouf | heh -486? you should update the kernel .. bah .. need new headers then - so nm :-P |
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| 20:37.49 | Triforce6400 | make install went through |
| 20:37.55 | Triforce6400 | heh |
| 20:38.06 | Triforce6400 | epic |
| 20:38.21 | schme_ | ? |
| 20:38.30 | Triforce6400 | make install did it |
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| 20:38.40 | schme_ | great. |
| 20:39.06 | schme_ | Triforce6400: With this method you will have to repeat this every time you fix yerself up with a new linux kernel. |
| 20:39.14 | schme_ | So congrats to you! |
| 20:39.17 | Triforce6400 | why would i get a new kernel |
| 20:39.29 | schme_ | Dunno. Some people like that. |
| 20:39.29 | enouf | Triforce6400: got more than 1G RAM installed? |
| 20:39.36 | Triforce6400 | 3 |
| 20:39.46 | enouf | Triforce6400: then you're missing 2G right now :-P |
| 20:39.51 | schme_ | Hmm? |
| 20:39.53 | newsense | enouf, if i get linux-source-2.6 and make oldconfig would that kernel be identical to linux-image-2.6.26 ? |
| 20:39.57 | enouf | Triforce6400: pastebin output of free -m |
| 20:40.00 | schme_ | 4 surely is the default supported? |
| 20:40.06 | Triforce6400 | I only need the extra GB for windows anyway |
| 20:40.15 | schme_ | Bah. One always needs more RAM. |
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| 20:40.20 | enouf | schme_: the -486 has no highmem options, so up to 1G only |
| 20:40.34 | Triforce6400 | debian doesn't have anything that needs alot of ram |
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| 20:40.38 | schme_ | There is a -486 kernel? |
| 20:40.39 | schme_ | :) |
| 20:40.46 | Triforce6400 | on windows project 64 needs it |
| 20:40.55 | enouf | schme_: yep ;-) for older people .. er computers :-P |
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| 20:41.14 | schme_ | Triforce6400: That's funny you say such a thing. Just the oter day I had a process complain it ran out of RAM 'cause I hit the magic 4gb. |
| 20:41.18 | Triforce6400 | so still now if I type madwifi nothing happens and it's not in applications - internet |
| 20:41.22 | schme_ | 32bit x86 is so sad :) |
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| 20:41.50 | schme_ | Triforce6400: Did you load the module? What is the iwconfig giving you? |
| 20:41.58 | Triforce6400 | iwconfig gets nothing |
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| 20:42.01 | enouf | Triforce6400: upgrade to a -686 kernel , with etch you might even go for the etchnhalf 2.6.24 686 version - then rebuild your madwifi modules .. again :-P (don't forget to install -headers- :-p) |
| 20:42.02 | Triforce6400 | load the module/ |
| 20:42.03 | Triforce6400 | ? |
| 20:42.28 | newsense | if i get linux-source-2.6 and make oldconfig would that kernel be identical to linux-image-2.6.26 ? |
| 20:42.37 | enouf | Triforce6400: /msg dpkg security (ensure your sources.list has a security.debian.org line) |
| 20:43.14 | schme_ | Triforce6400: Did you "modprobe ath_pci" ? |
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| 20:43.32 | Triforce6400 | no ... |
| 20:43.44 | schme_ | Ok. That is "loading the module" |
| 20:44.11 | enouf | newsense: hrm .. depending on which config you started with .. i can't think of anything that would be diff .. other than name/version string .. and you need to (should) use make-kpkg tp build |
| 20:44.19 | Triforce6400 | epic now my wifi comes up |
| 20:44.33 | enouf | newsense: i believe the -source is already Debian patched if that's what you mean ? |
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| 20:44.38 | Triforce6400 | thx |
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| 20:44.45 | newsense | enouf, thanks im using the config from the kernel installed at installation time |
| 20:44.52 | badcloud | anyone resolve high-pitched sound in prboom? |
| 20:44.53 | enouf | ok |
| 20:45.00 | enouf | newsense: then /msg dpkg k-p |
| 20:45.05 | newsense | cool thanks |
| 20:45.10 | stoned | what? |
| 20:45.15 | stoned | you use prboom? |
| 20:45.23 | stoned | which version? |
| 20:45.49 | badcloud | hold on, I'll check |
| 20:45.50 | enouf | newsense: but why build? obviously if you alter some options in make menuconfig (after you run make oldconfig) the 2 (kernels) will NOT be the same |
| 20:45.51 | stoned | I'm not aware of any high pitched sound bugs in lenny/sid |
| 20:46.22 | badcloud | 2.4.7 |
| 20:46.26 | newsense | enouf, kernel works but i want to slim it down a little, just video net and sound drivers |
| 20:46.39 | newsense | ill leave all other option as is |
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| 20:46.47 | badcloud | even changing the pitched_sounds var. didn't change anything |
| 20:46.49 | enouf | newsense: well .. ok .. but you see, that is not what will be in linux-image-version |
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| 20:47.12 | newsense | enouf, you see what im trying to do right |
| 20:47.16 | stoned | badcloud, package version man |
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| 20:47.29 | stoned | judd versions prboom |
| 20:47.31 | judd | stoned: prboom -- etch: 2:2.4.6+dfsg-1 lenny: 2:2.4.7+dfsg-5 sid: 2:2.4.7+dfsg-5 experimental: 2:2.5.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 20:47.39 | schme_ | newsense: debian kernels generally are quite trimmed down, no? |
| 20:47.43 | stoned | so you are on lenny |
| 20:47.49 | badcloud | yeah, lenny |
| 20:47.57 | badcloud | didn't know you were asking about my distro |
| 20:48.03 | enouf | newsense: i guess ... it's ok to use a custom kernel - i just wanted to clarify how they will not be identical |
| 20:48.11 | newsense | schme_, not really |
| 20:48.18 | newsense | identical besided what modules i remove right |
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| 20:48.26 | stoned | badcloud, because I'm not aware of any bugs for this package in lenny |
| 20:48.34 | badcloud | right, you mentioned |
| 20:48.35 | stoned | badcloud, I have normal sound |
| 20:48.41 | badcloud | maybe it's a wad thing |
| 20:48.46 | schme_ | newsense: Humm.. last time I checked they were quite small, with most stuff as modules ? |
| 20:48.50 | badcloud | but all of them seem to be overly high-pitched |
| 20:48.56 | enouf | newsense: it'll be Debian patched - however you will not receive Security updates/upgrades with each revision |
| 20:49.01 | stoned | its possible |
| 20:49.09 | badcloud | thanks for the info tho |
| 20:49.14 | newsense | enouf, anything else you recommend besides slimming down the kernel to get a faster boot ? |
| 20:49.25 | enouf | newsense: insserv perhaps? |
| 20:49.31 | schme_ | Don't reboot ;) |
| 20:49.31 | newsense | enouf, yeah i understand that part reguarding updates |
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| 20:49.36 | enouf | judd: versions insserv |
| 20:49.36 | judd | enouf: insserv -- etch: 1.08.0-11 lenny: 1.12.0-4 sid: 1.12.0-4 |
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| 20:49.50 | newsense | enouf, not farmiliar with insserv ill google it |
| 20:49.51 | enouf | !info insserv |
| 20:49.54 | dpkg | insserv: (boot sequence organizer using LSB init.d script dependencies), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.12.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 20:50.16 | enouf | newsense: blacklist modules that are loading that are not needed |
| 20:50.26 | newsense | enouf, thanks, sometimes i wonder who has more knowledge you or dpkg haha |
| 20:50.30 | schme_ | newsense: Seriously though. not building stuff at all, or build 'em as modules.. will not really make your kernel any slimmer, now will it? |
| 20:50.38 | enouf | newsense: i don't worry about boot times though :-P |
| 20:50.57 | enouf | newsense: nah .. i suck - stoned is the man |
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| 20:51.14 | newsense | stoned is an information superhighway as well |
| 20:51.35 | stoned | what is what? |
| 20:51.37 | stoned | what? |
| 20:51.51 | schme_ | newsense: Why are you booting so much is a better question ;) |
| 20:51.54 | newsense | just complimentng your skills |
| 20:52.02 | stoned | what skills? |
| 20:52.09 | stoned | I dunno nothin'. I'm a newb. |
| 20:52.12 | enouf | newsense: he's my typist , but i have to remove the Enter keys from all the keyboards :-P |
| 20:52.22 | newsense | schme_, conserve power |
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| 20:52.35 | schme_ | newsense: hibernate. |
| 20:52.57 | enouf | goes afk for a while |
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| 20:53.20 | newsense | schme_, ill look into that as well but i know nothing about power management in linux |
| 20:53.42 | Strog_ | what is a typical picture viewer called? |
| 20:53.48 | Strog_ | when u have kde? |
| 20:54.05 | enouf | use gliv ;-P |
| 20:54.16 | schme_ | newsense: Hibernation generally is the process of suspending what you have to disk, and when you power up it just loads all that. So you get what you had, and it is much faster. |
| 20:54.30 | schme_ | newsense: not always as golden as it sounds, but it might be good. |
| 20:54.39 | blubberdiblub | Strog_, try gwenview |
| 20:54.57 | stoned | gwenview is ok, it lacks some features I liked in acdsee back int he day |
| 20:54.59 | schme_ | newsense: You might also want to clock down your CPUs to save power ;) |
| 20:54.59 | Strog_ | thanks |
| 20:55.02 | newsense | schme_, im farmiliar with power management in general just dont know how to set it up but im on google now |
| 20:55.10 | stoned | there is a gtksee *clone of acdsee* |
| 20:55.21 | stoned | judd versions gtksee |
| 20:55.22 | judd | stoned: gtksee -- etch: 0.5.6-2 |
| 20:55.31 | stoned | hm, its probably depracated now |
| 20:55.34 | stoned | if its only avail in etch |
| 20:55.39 | enouf | newsense: seee cpufreq-utils as well i guess |
| 20:55.51 | stoned | judd versions pornview |
| 20:55.51 | judd | stoned: pornview -- etch: 0.2pre1-7 lenny: 0.2pre1-9 sid: 0.2pre1-9 |
| 20:55.52 | enouf | really goes afk for a while |
| 20:55.59 | schme_ | ya time for a fag. |
| 20:56.07 | stoned | pornview is pretty good too |
| 20:56.25 | stoned | it plays videos and pictures, configurable slideshows etc. etc. |
| 20:56.42 | stoned | I would like to see an irfanview clone though |
| 20:57.47 | newsense | stoned, thought you were joking, really is a pornview package though aha |
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| 20:58.48 | stoned | yup |
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| 21:05.30 | aoliveira__ | what acpi daemon does ? |
| 21:06.49 | newsense | tells the system what to do when the power button is pressed i believe |
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| 21:07.06 | grzegorz129 | hi all |
| 21:07.07 | aoliveira__ | only? |
| 21:07.13 | grzegorz129 | i install mrtg and have problem |
| 21:07.18 | newsense | aptitude show acpi |
| 21:07.26 | grzegorz129 | when i run mrtg i recove this err: http://wklej.org/id/32299/ |
| 21:07.43 | aoliveira__ | newsense: slackware here |
| 21:08.22 | newsense | displays battery and thermal info |
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| 21:08.52 | stoned | !tell aoliveira__ -about acpi |
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| 21:11.44 | aoliveira__ | newsense: oh there is a man for acpid |
| 21:12.08 | aoliveira__ | newsense: i found what was lookin for |
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| 21:12.27 | aoliveira__ | newsense: thank you |
| 21:12.32 | newsense | aoliveira__, id trust dpkg, he says its crap basically |
| 21:13.12 | newsense | im going to look into uswsusp for myself |
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| 21:13.26 | aoliveira__ | hibernate? |
| 21:13.36 | newsense | yep |
| 21:13.39 | aoliveira__ | hibernate doesnt work on my ubuntu |
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| 21:18.06 | Triforce6400 | I'm installing this one program and it needs some libraries I don't have, where can I find libraries |
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| 21:19.01 | newsense | repos dont have them ? |
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| 21:19.40 | Tekno | try find with synaptic lib<nameoflib>-dev |
| 21:19.49 | valdyn | Triforce6400: which libraries on which debian release? |
| 21:20.18 | shovi | is there some option i can set that will force mount other drives |
| 21:20.19 | Triforce6400 | netinst, libncurses libcurses |
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| 21:20.33 | valdyn | Triforce6400: netinst is a library? |
| 21:20.36 | Triforce6400 | apt-get install libncurses or libcurses doesn't do anything |
| 21:20.45 | Triforce6400 | no, that's my debian version. |
| 21:20.46 | [kv0s] | Hi! |
| 21:20.51 | valdyn | Triforce6400: that is why you have apt-cache search at your disposal |
| 21:20.58 | newsense | aptitude search libncurses |
| 21:21.02 | valdyn | Triforce6400: netinst is an install method, not a debian release |
| 21:21.09 | Triforce6400 | etch I think |
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| 21:21.47 | Triforce6400 | stuff came up from the search |
| 21:22.27 | newsense | aptitude install libncurses5 |
| 21:22.35 | Triforce6400 | I'm getting all of them |
| 21:22.42 | newsense | aptitude install libncurses5-dev if ya need that too |
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| 21:25.10 | Triforce6400 | cool now the program is working |
| 21:29.01 | shovi | what flash should i get for iceweasle |
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| 21:29.35 | newsense | thanks again guys, just tried out suspend to disk and it works like a champ |
| 21:29.53 | newsense | nice quick boot right back to what i was doing earlier |
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| 21:31.49 | qdb | E: mysql-server-5.0: подпÑоÑеÑÑ post-installation script возвÑаÑил код оÑибки 1 |
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| 21:32.36 | qdb | i have installed debian and installed mysql server and error message appeared |
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| 21:33.17 | Waxhead | When Lenny is released will it be shipped with the latest stable version of the kernel or is it likely that it will stick with 2.6.26 ? |
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| 21:34.08 | xand | Waxhead: it'll keep whatever it has now |
| 21:34.15 | xand | except for security updates |
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| 21:34.30 | xand | qdb: we don't speak russian |
| 21:34.37 | qdb | error code 1 |
| 21:35.09 | minunine | hi, plz, someone help me to remove postgresql from startup..??? |
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| 21:35.13 | goauld | When kde3 in debian ????????? im tired of waiting!!!!!! |
| 21:35.42 | goauld | i mean kde4 |
| 21:35.50 | dustybin | 2 years |
| 21:36.01 | dios_here | gnome is better than kde |
| 21:36.03 | goauld | i will switch to the ubuntu horde then |
| 21:36.13 | minunine | gnome is best |
| 21:36.16 | qdb | does any body know what is error code 1 in post installation script of mysql in synaptic? with what keywords i can search? synaptic error code? |
| 21:36.28 | dustybin | mac os x ftw |
| 21:36.41 | dustybin | beats any desktop out there |
| 21:36.45 | goauld | gnome isnt customizable/configurable wich means it is static like a box and doesnt let u think out of the box |
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| 21:37.26 | Waxhead | xand: Thanks for the info but is there a good reason why not to choose the latest version? Does a kernel upgrade break stuff?! (I have only been with Debian for about 2 years so bare with me please) |
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| 21:37.39 | dios_here | goauld, if you customize too much you will get used to it and if you have to reinstall the system you will lose all of it, and then you will have trouble adjusting to the default settings.. so the best is the accustom yourself to the default |
| 21:38.05 | xand | because debian tests things thoroughly before putting them in Stable... and Stable is now frozen I believe |
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| 21:38.19 | xand | and yes, a kernel can break everything |
| 21:38.38 | goauld | dios_here, stop lying! if i reinstall i will basckup up my home dir where all my configs are stored automatically fr everything |
| 21:38.43 | goauld | so stop lying |
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| 21:38.51 | qdb | have you tried block url with adblock plugin in epiphany? i created blacklist file, added valid css icon url of home page debian org to test but it does not disappear, then tried to clear cache. |
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| 21:39.49 | goauld | i will never stick to a "default" thing just for an hypotetic "handicap" it may or may not came with... thats bs |
| 21:40.07 | Waxhead | xand: K, thanks! |
| 21:40.15 | dios_here | goauld, imagine your harddisk dies and you get a new one and install afresh.. then you will have lost all your customization |
| 21:40.26 | goauld | keep lying |
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| 21:40.39 | dios_here | goauld, it will cause you grief if you lose your customizations |
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| 21:40.53 | xand | dios_here: make backups :P |
| 21:40.53 | lwolf | hi, i'm trying to get xen running on lenny, and i'm encountering this problem: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg578133.html |
| 21:40.55 | dios_here | goauld, so its best for you if you do as little customization as possible |
| 21:40.58 | lwolf | can someone help me ? |
| 21:41.03 | newsense | goauld, just backup your home partition to a flash drive or suck and youll be fine |
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| 21:41.11 | [kv0s] | Hi! |
| 21:41.21 | newsense | dios_here, shut up and let him do what he wants |
| 21:41.31 | dios_here | newsense, I am giving you wise advice |
| 21:41.34 | dios_here | err him |
| 21:41.39 | [kv0s] | Just run "aptitude update" and got "unknow entry in configuration file ... no package header... |
| 21:41.41 | [kv0s] | any ideas? |
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| 21:41.54 | newsense | dios_here, i dont need your advice i have backups |
| 21:42.15 | dios_here | newsense, losing all your custom settings will cause you grief.. I am trying to save you from future suffering |
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| 21:42.34 | xand | in that case you shouldn't create any files in case you lose them |
| 21:42.40 | newsense | im not gonna suffer, my system is configured and if my disk dies ill load my backups |
| 21:42.44 | xand | you shouldn't do anything in case you lose it :P |
| 21:42.45 | goauld | dios_here, good reasoning, i will switch back to windows XP and forget debian, becouse its a "default" distro, and its "easier" and becouse, and if my hard disk dies, there isnt anything in the world more standard and defaulty than windows xp |
| 21:43.29 | newsense | goauld, dont listen to him ! |
| 21:43.38 | dios_here | newsense, your backups may be lost too.. imagine your apartment burns down when your not in it and your pc and backups lost along with your clothes and bed.. then you have to install a new fresh install |
| 21:43.51 | newsense | dios_here, thats life |
| 21:44.01 | dios_here | goauld, you should not customize windows xp too much either |
| 21:44.09 | goauld | i would still have my online backups in remote servers |
| 21:44.15 | goauld | lol |
| 21:44.19 | newsense | dios_here, fine than ill backup my data and put it in a safety deposit box ok |
| 21:44.50 | dios_here | goauld, what if internet dies altogether in a catastrophic meteorite hit? and you haveto install a fresh install, and you have no backups.. you will miss your customized settings and adjusting them will cause you grief |
| 21:44.57 | newsense | ill see if the us treasury dept. will put my backups in fort knox |
| 21:45.10 | newsense | so i can save my configs |
| 21:45.13 | dios_here | newsense, then you have the problem of accessing them |
| 21:45.22 | newsense | omg |
| 21:45.38 | goauld | so much talking about this makes me want to backup right now |
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| 21:45.42 | dios_here | newsense, what if oil runs out and the world turns into Mad Max movie and you cant drive there to the fort knox? |
| 21:45.54 | newsense | ill use steam |
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| 21:46.17 | newsense | !ot |
| 21:46.17 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 21:46.40 | dios_here | I am just trying to help you like a modern day buddha, trying to protect you from grief.. |
| 21:46.51 | dios_here | heed my wise advise |
| 21:47.05 | dios_here | keep the default settings |
| 21:47.29 | goauld | theres no more food to the troll |
| 21:47.35 | goauld | go sleep |
| 21:47.37 | dios_here | slaps goauld around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:47.38 | goauld | lol |
| 21:47.38 | newsense | dios_here, how can you keep defualt savings and still have freedom ? |
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| 21:47.58 | dios_here | newsense, you are always free to change them, but you will choose not to |
| 21:47.59 | newsense | s/savings/settings |
| 21:48.22 | newsense | welcome to ignore buddy |
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| 21:48.32 | dios_here | thats the appreciation I get |
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| 21:48.58 | dios_here | forgive them father, they know not what they are doing |
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| 21:49.30 | newsense | if i kept all settings at default i wouldnt be chatting here because i wouldnt be able to connect to the internet |
| 21:50.13 | xand | HL2? |
| 21:50.24 | newsense | xand, ? |
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| 21:50.28 | dios_here | newsense, the buddha said that dont be attached to things, and be a minimalist.. |
| 21:50.34 | xand | 2008-12-27 21:48:58 < dios_here> forgive them father, they know not what they are doing |
| 21:50.38 | xand | that |
| 21:50.51 | dios_here | xand, it is from the bible |
| 21:51.05 | newsense | HL2=half life 2 ? |
| 21:51.09 | xand | a priest says something like that in Ravenholme in HL2 |
| 21:51.10 | xand | yes |
| 21:51.16 | xand | while he's killing zombies |
| 21:51.22 | dios_here | xand, Jesus said that when crucified |
| 21:51.26 | xand | I see |
| 21:51.41 | newsense | dios_here, please keep the conversation on topic |
| 21:51.43 | dios_here | xand, how sad is that you hear it for the first time from a video game |
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| 21:52.00 | dios_here | newsense, yes |
| 21:52.01 | xand | dios_here: I'm not christian. |
| 21:52.17 | xand | so I haven't read the bible |
| 21:52.20 | dios_here | xand, thats a shame |
| 21:52.22 | xand | anyway, this is offtopic |
| 21:52.37 | newsense | yes way off |
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| 21:57.25 | rotw | hi |
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| 21:57.55 | TPC | hello |
| 21:58.17 | TPC | is there a reason that the debian repos only have the libopenspc0 and libopenspc-dev packages for the i386 repos? |
| 21:58.20 | rotw | Dunno if you can see it on this screenshot, but my colour depth is pretty low: http://rotw.de/misc/farbtiefe.png (look at the gradient). How do I change that? :/ |
| 21:58.23 | TPC | I compiled it manually and it works fine on amd64 |
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| 21:58.53 | TPC | how do I contact the maintainer of this package so I can inform him that it also works on amd64? |
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| 21:59.34 | rotw | oh, and my xorg.conf: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/96942/ |
| 21:59.47 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache showsrc libopenspc0 shows the two binary pkgs built from it |
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| 22:01.02 | patrikf | rotw: you usually don't want to use the framebuffer with X |
| 22:01.11 | rotw | patrikf: ah. ok. |
| 22:01.28 | rotw | by the way, video card is a nvidia geforce 9300M GS |
| 22:02.08 | patrikf | rotw: so either remove the UseFBDev line or better dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:06.56 | enouf | TPC: the Maintainer line from the output of the command i showed |
| 22:07.04 | Yaroze | Anyone here with a PPC machine? |
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| 22:07.55 | TPC | enouf, ok |
| 22:07.58 | TPC | enouf, thanks |
| 22:08.58 | enouf | TPC: no prob; i see sid's version now supports kfreebsd-i386 as well |
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| 22:09.42 | enouf | Yaroze: try #debianppc ? |
| 22:09.47 | Yaroze | did that :) |
| 22:10.34 | enouf | Yaroze: and the one on irc.debian.org? |
| 22:11.09 | Yaroze | not many people use ppc these days :) |
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| 22:11.38 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 22:11.58 | enouf | especially since apple went with x86 :-P |
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| 22:12.46 | mavhc | they only did that to piss off the amiga guys |
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| 22:13.26 | Yaroze | mavhc: which is the kind of ppc hw i have :D |
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| 22:13.56 | enouf | mandric: "spite, for profit?" .. seemed to have worked :-P |
| 22:14.14 | enouf | bah, mavhc , not mandric |
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| 22:27.49 | stoned | hello |
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| 22:30.32 | dvs | good bye!!! |
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| 22:33.19 | badcloud | is it a problem to put more than one access point listing in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:33.44 | badcloud | if not, how do I alternate the wireless connection? |
| 22:33.51 | dmoerner | badcloud, use wpa roaming |
| 22:34.02 | dmoerner | read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:34.06 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 22:35.50 | MrWGW | how does Debian handle interface assignments? |
| 22:36.09 | dmoerner | udev |
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| 22:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | the art of the minimalistic answer |
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| 22:41.35 | newsense | MrWGW, its stupidly easy to create udev rules too btw |
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| 22:43.29 | JordiGH | I'm experiencing some weird behaviour. Plugging my laptop to the AC freezes everything! It unfreezes instantly when I unplug it. If this helps, it's got nothing to do with X or any X app, as this still happens if I completely kill X. |
| 22:43.41 | JordiGH | It gets fixed if I reboot, but is there a way to avoid this? |
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| 22:46.42 | MrWGW | ty |
| 22:48.51 | adb | JordiGH: fix you AC power sources , add a new fuse ? |
| 22:49.20 | JordiGH | adb: What does that mean? |
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| 22:50.07 | adb | maybe AC is cut off sometimes |
| 22:50.24 | MrWGW | once assigned |
| 22:50.28 | MrWGW | can device numbers change? |
| 22:51.07 | adb | sure , by udev |
| 22:51.36 | MrWGW | well I have a Debian box where the power just got interrupted |
| 22:51.45 | MrWGW | and the Ethernet port assignments seem to be different |
| 22:51.48 | MrWGW | is that normal? |
| 22:51.53 | dutchfish | does someone know how i can configure 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection on lenny amd64, or do ineed besides firmware recompile the kernel? |
| 22:51.53 | adb | yes |
| 22:52.20 | Maulkin | JordiGH: Could you try booting with the options "noacpi noapic" on the kernel command line? (Do you need help on how to do that?) |
| 22:52.45 | JordiGH | Maulkin: No, I know how to pass kernel options, but I'm not even sure how to reliably reproduce this problem. |
| 22:52.54 | MrWGW | unfortunately it also has the effect of breaking the unit's internet connectivity |
| 22:53.07 | Maulkin | JordiGH: I *suspect* it's an interrupt problem from acpi/apic or something |
| 22:53.07 | MrWGW | so alas, I fear I'll be uninstalling Debian from it :-p |
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| 22:53.25 | Maulkin | MrWGW: So, it changed to eth4 or something? |
| 22:53.31 | MrWGW | that's what it looks like, yes |
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| 22:53.38 | MrWGW | the unit has multiple NICs |
| 22:53.39 | Maulkin | MrWGW: Did you have a pending kernel update? |
| 22:53.42 | MrWGW | no |
| 22:53.50 | Element14 | MrWGW: i thought udev had some eth persistent rules or something like that... |
| 22:53.52 | JordiGH | Maulkin: And if I disable acpi in the kernel... won't I experience other problems? |
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| 22:54.30 | Maulkin | !z25 |
| 22:54.31 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 22:54.46 | Maulkin | MrWGW: See that |
| 22:54.53 | lene | Hi. What are nice tools in debian to get graphical statistics (in html format or whatever) from a webserver's acces.logs? I used webalizer but I heard it's not developed anymore so I'm wondering what else to use.. |
| 22:54.57 | MrWGW | so you're saying the ethernet device numbers should *not* have changed then? |
| 22:55.07 | Maulkin | JordiGH: Well, I'd like to see if that makes a difference to start with |
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| 22:55.16 | Maulkin | MrWGW: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:55.33 | JordiGH | Maulkin: But how would I know if it makes a difference? This happens to me very rarely and unpredictably. :-/ |
| 22:55.33 | MrWGW | stable |
| 22:55.36 | MrWGW | etch |
| 22:55.38 | MrWGW | I believe |
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| 22:55.46 | MrWGW | its the one with the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 22:56.16 | Maulkin | MrWGW: They *may* change, if you mess about with a kernel update or something. If you want to be sure to keep them the same, check that file that dpkg told you about |
| 22:56.44 | Maulkin | JordiGH: oh, right. :( |
| 22:56.49 | MrWGW | but assuming no kernel update occurs then they would *not* change presumably? |
| 22:57.05 | Maulkin | JordiGH: I'm guessing there's notthing in the logs or dmesg? |
| 22:57.14 | Maulkin | MrWGW: I *think* so yes. |
| 22:57.23 | MrWGW | ok |
| 22:57.31 | MrWGW | and at any rate this is not a Debian specific issue I would assume? |
| 22:57.39 | MrWGW | I'm just unlucky in that its bit me for the first time on an Etch box |
| 22:57.43 | JordiGH | Maulkin: Hm, stuff in dmesg about CPU getting hot... |
| 22:57.50 | JordiGH | Maulkin: I'm transcoding some video... |
| 22:58.09 | JordiGH | Come to think of it, that's possibly relevant. |
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| 22:59.15 | xand | MrWGW: contrary to what someone said, it's not normal for the network card interface names to change; they're based on MAC address |
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| 22:59.25 | Maulkin | JordiGH: It could be, if plugging in bumps the processor speed. |
| 22:59.34 | xand | so unless that changed, or both have the same MAC, they should not change. |
| 22:59.35 | JordiGH | renices ffmpeg. |
| 22:59.43 | Maulkin | :) |
| 23:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, hehe... possibly |
| 23:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, a reboot might fix an overheated CPU... |
| 23:01.00 | MrWGW | xand: so that's some pecularity right there |
| 23:01.10 | MrWGW | oh xand, as a WTF aside, this also is known for breaking VM virtual machines |
| 23:01.14 | xand | MrWGW: have the MAC addresses change? |
| 23:01.14 | MrWGW | VMWare |
| 23:01.20 | MrWGW | xand: they shouldn't have... |
| 23:01.23 | MrWGW | this is a physical box |
| 23:01.23 | xand | it's possible a power issue could cause that |
| 23:01.29 | MrWGW | but on VMWare, VMWare will cause MAC addresses to change |
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| 23:01.40 | xand | (type ifconfig -a to see) |
| 23:01.41 | MrWGW | in this case though its an IBM intellistation |
| 23:01.50 | xand | and look in the udev rules file |
| 23:01.56 | xand | !interfaces |
| 23:01.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 23:02.00 | xand | er |
| 23:02.35 | MrWGW | xand: yeah I should probably do this |
| 23:02.36 | xand | /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules or similar |
| 23:02.41 | MrWGW | primarily because this box is a lab server in my garage |
| 23:02.49 | MrWGW | with no monitor etc |
| 23:02.56 | MrWGW | so this becomes somewhat of a bitch when it dies on me like this |
| 23:03.09 | xand | that file has what mac address is assigned to what ethX |
| 23:03.35 | MrWGW | is it normal for physical NICs to change their MAC addresses after reboots? |
| 23:03.37 | dutchfish | does someone know how i can configure 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection on lenny amd64, or do i need besides firmware, recompile the kernel? |
| 23:03.45 | xand | MrWGW: like I said, no |
| 23:03.46 | MrWGW | I've never seen it happen |
| 23:03.48 | MrWGW | ok good |
| 23:03.58 | xand | it should never happen with udev unless the MAC changes. |
| 23:03.59 | MrWGW | because that would really creep me out |
| 23:04.19 | xand | or if you have two with the same MAC which is possible on say old Sun hardware |
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| 23:06.33 | phorce1 | as a true geek the MACs on my Sparc Ultra 1 and 2 machines all started with C0:FF:EE:... |
| 23:06.47 | schme_ | Hahah! |
| 23:07.09 | dutchfish | lol |
| 23:07.15 | fgeek | :) |
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| 23:09.04 | phorce1 | power for my coffeepot while I'm adding a subpanel behind my desk for the serevr rack that we need to move over here: http://texasvolksbus.org/upscoffee/ |
| 23:09.08 | dutchfish | nvm, got Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN working now with new kernel, thanks anyway |
| 23:09.50 | xand | sun ultra 1... I have debian on mine, the MAC address for both NICs is the same so I had to write a custom udev rule to tell them apart by something else |
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| 23:10.53 | dutchfish | xand, same hardware mac? you must play the lotery... |
| 23:12.08 | dmoerner | i want some sparcs...i currently have a mips, armel, amd64, and x86 |
| 23:12.10 | phorce1 | xand: Ultra1 -- just change the MAC for one of the cards from the boot console |
| 23:13.08 | phorce1 | xand: or maybe it's only the internal NICs that can be changed and not ones on sbus -- hang on, lemme google |
| 23:13.27 | schme_ | How about setting it with ifconfig, eh? |
| 23:13.41 | dutchfish | man ip |
| 23:14.22 | schme_ | I seem to use ifconfig to set MACs quite often, I suspect it would work just fine on the ultra1's too :) |
| 23:14.56 | xand | dutchfish: old sun machines have one MAC per machine not per card |
| 23:15.21 | JordiGH | Dammit. |
| 23:15.28 | JordiGH | I have to reboot to fix my problem. |
| 23:15.33 | schme_ | WHAT!? |
| 23:15.36 | JordiGH | But I'm gonna have to interrupt the transcode. :-( |
| 23:15.37 | schme_ | JordiGH: That's crazy. |
| 23:15.42 | JordiGH | Unless... |
| 23:15.43 | JordiGH | ! |
| 23:15.47 | JordiGH | Maybe I can hibernate! |
| 23:15.51 | JordiGH | Aha. |
| 23:15.55 | schme_ | JordiGH: You will have to live with your problem. reboot is out of the question. |
| 23:15.56 | JordiGH | Let's try this... |
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| 23:16.34 | dutchfish | xand, ah ic |
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| 23:17.24 | JordiGH | Huh, "vlc is playing some media"? |
| 23:17.49 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 23:18.46 | k-man_ | is it possible to make the shell able to run a java file directly? |
| 23:18.56 | JordiGH | k-man_: "java thefile.class" |
| 23:19.34 | k-man_ | JordiGH, but can you make the shell detect its a java file and execute it so you can call it like "./thefile.class"? |
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| 23:19.40 | schme_ | JordiGH: Kill the vlc! |
| 23:19.45 | sabgenton | how do I search the context of apt-get show |
| 23:19.49 | JordiGH | schme_: There's no vlc running! |
| 23:19.50 | sabgenton | rather than package names |
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| 23:20.07 | schme_ | JordiGH: That's hillarious. Kill whatever is pretending to be vlc, and remove lockfiles ;) |
| 23:20.22 | JordiGH | k-man_: No, that's the whole point of Java: it needs a virtual machine to run; you can't run it natively, the shell wouldn't know what to do with it. |
| 23:20.40 | JordiGH | schme_: Too late, I killeed the transcode process, might as well reboot. :-( |
| 23:20.53 | schme_ | Sounds like vlc is like firefox. firefox dies, and then it complains that it is running. But it is not! |
| 23:20.58 | schme_ | spits on the firefox. |
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| 23:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sabgenton, you do search name+description by default |
| 23:21.05 | schme_ | Bah! |
| 23:21.13 | schme_ | JordiGH: You make me cry with your rebooting :) |
| 23:21.22 | schme_ | gets so upset he goes out for a fag. |
| 23:21.51 | sabgenton | CutMeOwnThroat: ok how do i change it to just description |
| 23:22.14 | JordiGH | k-man_: Wait, I think that gcj can actually compile Java to native code... but I don't think gcj has good Java support; OpenJDK is much, much better. :-/ |
| 23:22.15 | sabgenton | i see |
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| 23:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... don't think you can, but I guess you can read the manpage as well as I can |
| 23:22.58 | k-man_ | JordiGH, ok, thanks |
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| 23:23.13 | sabgenton | yes reading |
| 23:23.19 | sabgenton | thx |
| 23:23.40 | JordiGH | brb, rebooting |
| 23:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | --names-only for just the names, though |
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| 23:27.27 | gewt | whats the easiest way to disable syslog in lenny? |
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| 23:29.54 | sabgenton | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i knowticed |
| 23:30.11 | sabgenton | O.o |
| 23:31.06 | sabgenton | CutMeOwnThroat: I gues I could do both and to a diff |
| 23:31.29 | newsense | gewt, stop init.d from starting it at boot, dont know if thats wise though |
| 23:32.00 | gewt | How do I stop initd from startign it? |
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| 23:32.42 | newsense | get sysv-rc-conf or change the symlink in the runlevel you dont want it to start in to start with a K instead of S |
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| 23:35.23 | newsense | gewt, by default runlevel is 2 so change /etc/rc2.d/S*rsyslog to K*rsyslog |
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| 23:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sabgenton, what are you really trying to do |
| 23:35.59 | newsense | sysv-rc-conf is easier than changing symlinks by hand |
| 23:36.30 | sabgenton | gta go |
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| 23:36.41 | sabgenton | I found what I wanted |
| 23:36.59 | sabgenton | but thanks to google not cache search |
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| 23:37.35 | sabgenton | thx for the help though |
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| 23:41.17 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 23:41.49 | HardDisk_WP | how can I check if an IP belongs to a CIDR-noted range in a standard language (C, C++, PHP) |
| 23:42.02 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, it should all boil down to a lot of bit shifting, right? |
| 23:42.10 | phorce1 | xand: probably only the internal nic can be changed but ... http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/sun-nvram-hostid.faq.html#GENERAL |
| 23:42.50 | jo99 | Hi, I have a belkin f5d7050 usb wireless dongle with the rt73 chipset, i'm using the howto located on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 , I can see the device with lsusb however after following the instructions the device still doesn't appear after running iwconfig |
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| 23:43.26 | aaroninfidel_ | anyone here using a macbook pro with debian? |
| 23:44.13 | jo99 | Can anyone give me a pointer to resolve this |
| 23:44.23 | th0ger | Hi, can someone help me reformatting a completely broken usb-stick? I tried creating/deleting partition(tables) and filesystems, but i cant mount it. Parted,fdisk and mount gives errors concerning wrong sector size, superblocks and disk labels... So how do i start ALL OVER??? |
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| 23:44.53 | HardDisk_WP | th0ger, use fdisk to blank it completely |
| 23:45.01 | HardDisk_WP | do not forget to write your changes |
| 23:45.03 | xand | phorce1: oh, thanks |
| 23:45.06 | HardDisk_WP | then eject /dev/sdX |
| 23:45.10 | HardDisk_WP | whatever your stick is |
| 23:45.16 | HardDisk_WP | then start with qtparted |
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| 23:46.22 | th0ger | HardDisk_WP: I have removed all partitions with fdisk "d". Is that enough? |
| 23:46.26 | CapaH | Is anyone here familiar with bind/named/dns servers? I have set up a new dns server and when I try to change my registrar settings to use the new dns server, it complains that: "It does not appear the nameservers you entered have the correct type of DNS record setup" - Anyone know what may be wrong here? |
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| 23:47.21 | zu22 | I got an HP Deskjet 960c printer for Christmas, how do I get it working? |
| 23:47.41 | th0ger | HardDisk_WP: when starting fdisk is says "Note: sector size is 2048 (not 512)" |
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| 23:48.27 | Yamakiri | how can I use wall? It keeps telling me to use stdin but I'm not sure how to use this |
| 23:48.38 | schme_ | zu22: You poke around hpijs and hope it all works. |
| 23:49.11 | Yamakiri | yamakiri@TyroNet:~$ wall BroadcastWall.txt wall: will not read BroadcastWall.txt - use stdin. |
| 23:49.12 | Yamakiri | O |
| 23:49.32 | Yamakiri | I've done it without the .txt extention as well (sorry I accidentally hit the O key) |
| 23:49.45 | zu22 | schme_: hpijs? what is that? |
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| 23:50.07 | schme_ | zu22: It's the HP Linux Priting and Imaging - gs IJS driver |
| 23:50.16 | phorce1 | Yamakiri: wall < BroadcastWall.txt |
| 23:50.18 | zu22 | schme_: oh heh, ok |
| 23:50.28 | Yamakiri | thanks phorce1 |
| 23:50.28 | schme_ | zu22: or try hplip |
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| 23:50.50 | Yamakiri | hugs phorce1 :D |
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| 23:51.16 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: convert the address, range bottom, and range top to uint32; then check address >= bottom && address <= top |
| 23:51.30 | zu22 | schme_: ok thanks |
| 23:51.44 | zu22 | btw whoever maintains the dpkg bot in here, the entry for <printconf> is defunct. |
| 23:52.40 | phorce1 | hmph -- that restriction in wall makes absolutely no sense because it so very easily circumvented: "Reading from a file is refused when the invoker is not superuser and the program is suid or sgid." |
| 23:53.00 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: convert as in (q[3].q[2].q[1].q[0] == (q[3] << 24) + (q[2] << 16) + (q[1] << 8) + (q[0) |
| 23:54.41 | th0ger | What should the normal cylinder size be on a usb-stick? (1GB,vfat) |
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| 23:59.11 | simonrvn | zu22: so edit it |
| 23:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | usb sticks don't have a cylinder |
| 23:59.39 | zu22 | simonrvn: edit what exactly? |
| 23:59.50 | simonrvn | the printconf factoid |
| 23:59.59 | zu22 | simonrvn: oh heh |
