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| 00:00.25 | zu22 | simonrvn: done :) |
| 00:00.47 | simonrvn | WorksForMe :) |
| 00:01.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | that could have been a bit more elaborate, though... |
| 00:01.17 | th0ger | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, sorry, "sector size" |
| 00:01.28 | simonrvn | a bit |
| 00:01.43 | simonrvn | but that's what i usually do anyway ;) |
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| 00:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... like saying wtf it is in a general way |
| 00:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | th0ger, I'd say depends on the file system, not on the stick... |
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| 00:04.23 | valdyn | th0ger: theres no sectors on usb sticks |
| 00:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | th0ger, "/msg dpkg filesystem comparison" ... well, interesting is only the wikipedia link there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 00:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, but there are ... blocks in the fs... which used to be used in a somewhat synonym way |
| 00:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 00:05.18 | th0ger | I would like to change the sector size from 2048 to 512. How? |
| 00:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | usb sticks != harddisks |
| 00:05.43 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: even on disks they are about always sized differently |
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| 00:06.30 | valdyn | th0ger: read the manpage to mkfs.vfat ? |
| 00:06.36 | Tekno | how can i add one application to sudoers |
| 00:06.38 | Tekno | so no need to use password with it |
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| 00:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not how sodoers work |
| 00:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you talking about the suid-bit on a program file? |
| 00:07.17 | Tekno | no |
| 00:07.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | good |
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| 00:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's clear |
| 00:07.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have no fucking clue what you want |
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| 00:08.18 | Tekno | there is NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 00:08.24 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: you are right, mkfs.vfat(8) talks about sectors when it means blocks |
| 00:08.40 | valdyn | maybe thats microsoft-speak, i dont know |
| 00:08.47 | th0ger | valdyn: I dont get it. mkfs creates a filesystem on a single partition right? |
| 00:08.49 | Element14 | Tekno: try replacing "ALL" with the path of the command. |
| 00:08.51 | Eulex | Tekno: NOPASSWD: command1, command2, ... |
| 00:09.03 | valdyn | th0ger: mkfs creates a filesystem on a block device |
| 00:09.16 | valdyn | th0ger: a partition is a block devices, not every block device is a partition |
| 00:09.21 | Tekno | ah okay thanks |
| 00:09.22 | Eulex | perhaps no commas |
| 00:09.42 | th0ger | valdyn: ok |
| 00:09.47 | Eulex | I take that back, with commas |
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| 00:10.24 | th0ger | valdyn: so the entire usb stick is also a block device? |
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| 00:10.31 | valdyn | th0ger: yes |
| 00:10.40 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, good to hear that there's a reason why I also got that fuzzy speaking :) |
| 00:11.07 | xand | phorce1: sadly I think it'll change both MACs |
| 00:11.09 | valdyn | th0ger: everything in /dev that has a b as first letter when doing ls -l on it, is a block device |
| 00:11.19 | th0ger | valdyn: ok |
| 00:11.29 | valdyn | th0ger: like brw-rw---- 1 root disk 1, 4 21. Dez 16:57 ram4 |
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| 00:13.34 | phorce1 | xand: Oh well, worth a try |
| 00:14.53 | xand | I can change the mac within debian anyway |
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| 00:16.33 | phorce1 | xand: but you have to use udev tricks to figure out which MAC you're poking at before you can change one of them. I always look for ways to avoid udev tricks. |
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| 00:16.57 | th0ger | mkfs.vfat -Iv -S 512 /dev/sdb; But fdisk -l still reports sector size 2048??? |
| 00:17.00 | phorce1 | xand: you should have seen the udev mess I had on the E450 before the motherboard self destructed |
| 00:17.21 | zu22 | udev is a mess, i hope they replace it soon |
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| 00:17.51 | phorce1 | xand: I had a SATA card installed, a dual port gigabit NIC, and a lot of SCA drives along with a couple of SATA drives. |
| 00:17.53 | nsadmin | th0ger: reports 2048 on what device? |
| 00:18.08 | th0ger | /dev/sdb |
| 00:18.13 | nsadmin | which is? |
| 00:18.21 | th0ger | usb stick |
| 00:18.23 | phorce1 | I think I confused that 20 year old box with the new-fangled hardware <grin> |
| 00:18.42 | nsadmin | th0ger: maybe it is 2048 |
| 00:19.27 | th0ger | nsadmin: is it fixed? |
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| 00:19.33 | kingsley_ | Is it OK for a dhclient.conf file to both request, and send, a host-name? The sample file toward the end of http://linux.die.net/man/5/dhclient.conf seems to imply it's OK. |
| 00:19.40 | nsadmin | sector size usually is. |
| 00:19.54 | th0ger | nsadmin: makes sense then :-) |
| 00:20.56 | nsadmin | now a usb stick doesn't have sectors per se... (given a sector is part of a circle bounded by radius lines) |
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| 00:21.20 | xand | phorce1: I've fixed eth0/1 by looking at other hardware information that's unique |
| 00:21.26 | xand | slot number or something |
| 00:21.29 | valdyn | th0ger: fdisk does not know about filesystem block / sector size |
| 00:22.07 | nsadmin | but it does know about hardware sectors |
| 00:22.17 | valdyn | th0ger: why are you messing with it when you obviously dont know what you are doing? |
| 00:22.24 | nsadmin | and the device would report it |
| 00:22.33 | th0ger | valdyn: But it knows how to complain about sector sizes |
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| 00:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I feel we're getting closer to the real question |
| 00:22.58 | xand | phorce1: aren't E450s new enough to not hav such issues? |
| 00:23.01 | nsadmin | given this has become a fight, I'm discontinuing |
| 00:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... with the speed of a glacier |
| 00:23.17 | valdyn | th0ger: yea, but those "sectors" are something entirely different than vfat block/sector sizes |
| 00:23.32 | th0ger | valdyn:i see |
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| 00:25.06 | th0ger | valdyn: Why im messing with it? Well, if it's broken, try to fix it. |
| 00:25.18 | schme_ | th0ger: Do you not want a partition on it? |
| 00:25.26 | valdyn | th0ger: you can fix fdisk with mkfs |
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| 00:25.34 | th0ger | schme_: yes.. |
| 00:25.35 | valdyn | th0ger: they are different layers |
| 00:25.45 | valdyn | th0ger: you *cannot* fix fdisk with mkfs |
| 00:25.55 | schme_ | th0ger: I'm just wondering why you are mkfs'in' /dev/sdb instead of say /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:26.12 | valdyn | schme_: he was trying to fix fdisk with that |
| 00:26.21 | schme_ | oh |
| 00:26.23 | th0ger | valdyn: indeed |
| 00:26.24 | phorce1 | xand: not really. I think I overloaded the buses and toasted the motherboard. Designed to handle 20 SCA rives but I was stuffing 250G sata drives in it |
| 00:26.26 | schme_ | I did not know fdisk was broken :) |
| 00:26.38 | nsadmin | schme_ if he did, then he'd be partitioning a usb stick |
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| 00:27.02 | nsadmin | which is going to make sense someday, when they get really large |
| 00:27.30 | schme_ | nsadmin: Yes? All usb-sticks I have bought come prepartitioned as one big /dev/foo1 |
| 00:28.12 | th0ger | schme_: but i think i might have broken that... |
| 00:28.22 | schme_ | th0ger: Broken what? |
| 00:28.30 | valdyn | th0ger: tell the actual warning / error |
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| 00:29.08 | schme_ | th0ger: empyting partitioning table, creating a new one.. and mkfsing it. does not work? |
| 00:29.19 | schme_ | I mean without any of the crazy options. |
| 00:30.03 | th0ger | schme_: i know how to delete partitions, not removinge a partition table... |
| 00:30.30 | schme_ | th0ger: Right.. I'm saying just delete whatever, create a new one that spans the whole stick, and mkfs that. |
| 00:30.57 | th0ger | schme_: doing it again.... |
| 00:30.59 | stoned | what do you want to do? |
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| 00:31.31 | schme_ | th0ger: just mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 seems to work for me anyway. ;) |
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| 00:32.43 | schme_ | th0ger: How did you break it? |
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| 00:33.00 | th0ger | fdisk etc-> one partition; mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 ok; mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb -> "mount: /dev/sdb1: can't read superblock" |
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| 00:33.30 | th0ger | schme_: I broke it with "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb" |
| 00:34.08 | valdyn | th0ger: you forgot to write the paritition table in fdisk |
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| 00:35.12 | th0ger | valdyn: with "w", i dont think so... |
| 00:35.32 | schme_ | Do you have vfat support in yer kernel? |
| 00:36.24 | valdyn | th0ger: still does not work? |
| 00:36.48 | valdyn | th0ger: mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt/usb |
| 00:38.04 | th0ger | schme_: modprobe vfat ? |
| 00:38.14 | th0ger | schme_: not found. |
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| 00:38.52 | schme_ | Right.. So you have no vfat module available? |
| 00:39.49 | th0ger | no :-( seem so |
| 00:39.59 | stoned | 3 |
| 00:40.02 | schme_ | I think that is generally included in the kernel image package. |
| 00:40.21 | stoned | th0ger, you are never required to modprobe vfat in a stock debian kernel |
| 00:40.35 | schme_ | So tell me, th0ger, have you built a kernel yerself that yer using, and you come here asking for help? ;) |
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| 00:41.23 | th0ger | schme_: this is a special kernel for the apspireOne laptop i think (its not debian ;-) |
| 00:41.30 | schme_ | Ok. |
| 00:41.32 | badcloud | no apm support after adding apm=on to menu.lst? |
| 00:42.10 | valdyn | even that kernel wouldnt miss vfat support unless someone clueless built it |
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| 00:42.15 | th0ger | schme_: although, before I broke the stick, i COULD mount it.... |
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| 00:42.30 | schme_ | th0ger: It's not really a debian question then, but I very much think it is your lack of vfat support that is your trouble. Perhaps try mkfs it to ext2 and see if that works. |
| 00:42.35 | valdyn | so its built in or he had bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 00:42.56 | schme_ | th0ger: Also check this out http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why , and s/OpenBSD/Debian/ ;) |
| 00:42.57 | th0ger | schme_: yes, one minute |
| 00:43.29 | schme_ | I'm off for another fag it seems. g'night good people. |
| 00:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme_, so we can suggest that he installs Debian to solve his problems :) |
| 00:43.44 | schme_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Hahah! Perfect :) |
| 00:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem solved so far... |
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| 00:44.23 | th0ger | schme_: IM trying to put a debian netinstall on the stick! That what broke IT! HA |
| 00:44.24 | stoned | there is a debian for bsd |
| 00:44.25 | stoned | ... |
| 00:44.53 | stoned | !debian bsd |
| 00:44.53 | dpkg | somebody said debian bsd was a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 00:45.04 | stoned | =) |
| 00:45.26 | stoned | ahhhhh boy, water is good. |
| 00:46.16 | cafuego | Hmmm. How do I get the kernel to rescan partitions to make sure it knows the current UUIDs? |
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| 00:46.38 | cafuego | Seems that mkfs.jfs doesn't do this automagically. |
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| 00:47.15 | th0ger | schme_: Problem solved with ext2. This crappy kernel has not vfat support. But it was formatted on windows prior to my magic. ntfs?? |
| 00:47.42 | Tekno | what gui program do you use for mounting? |
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| 00:48.27 | stoned | gui to mount? |
| 00:48.30 | th0ger | schme_: anyway, thank you for the hints |
| 00:48.34 | stoned | oh boy |
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| 00:49.14 | cafuego | Restart udev. Whee. |
| 00:49.56 | Psi-Jack | Can Debian be installed on an iPaq H5555 with the ARM5 processor presently? |
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| 00:50.05 | th0ger | Tekno: isn't it a job for udev? |
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| 00:50.36 | stoned | arm5? |
| 00:50.44 | Psi-Jack | Yes. |
| 00:51.07 | stoned | have you tried google? |
| 00:51.25 | Psi-Jack | Of course. But I'm not finding any specifics that help me towards actually doing it. |
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| 00:52.13 | stoned | I'm not either |
| 00:52.23 | Psi-Jack | Presently I got Familiar 0.8.4 on my PDA with OPIE 1 on it, but it doesn't support my iPaq's NIC, so I can't get it online. |
| 00:52.38 | Psi-Jack | I heard Debian works on PDA's and was curious. |
| 00:52.46 | adb | mailing list debian-arm/el ? |
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| 00:54.31 | badcloud | anyone know how to resume after '/usr/sbin/pm-suspend'? |
| 00:54.34 | gcbirzan | What's the easiest way to recover from having a /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list having gone away? |
| 00:54.52 | badcloud | sorry if I'm repeating myself, might have dis and reconnected |
| 00:54.59 | stoned | Psi-Jack, to answer your question, yes. |
| 00:55.08 | stoned | you can install debian on ipaq h5555 |
| 00:55.15 | stoned | Psi-Jack, as for how, I have no fucking ideas |
| 00:55.19 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
| 00:55.20 | badcloud | can't seem to implement apm, s2disk auto-resumes without capturing the state |
| 00:55.37 | stoned | Hmmm... Doesn't quite work for me - using an iPAQ h5555 (Vendor=03f0 ProdID=1016, #EPs=4) on Debian etch AMD64 gives me this result when running make: <-- some guy claims to be running it on debian |
| 00:55.53 | stoned | but he is having compile issues but thats besides the point, looks like you CAN use debian on it |
| 00:55.57 | Psi-Jack | Well, Right now I have a bootloader on it that allows me to install a new root fs, but not sure how to get it to update the kernel image it actually boots. heh |
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| 00:56.17 | Geier | join #ubuntu-de |
| 00:56.17 | badcloud | *sigh* might have to start powering on and off like and old person... |
| 00:56.18 | stoned | http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=738 |
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| 00:56.34 | stoned | Psi-Jack, http://www.anytux.org/hardware.php?system_id=738 |
| 00:56.35 | badcloud | *an |
| 00:56.47 | badcloud | 3AM typos... |
| 00:56.47 | Psi-Jack | stoned: Yeah, I was at that page. ;) |
| 00:56.54 | streuner | gcbr: restore from backup? |
| 00:57.34 | badcloud | I'd ask for a workaround but I'm too afraid I might type 'reacharound' instead |
| 00:57.41 | streuner | gcbirzan: restore from backup? |
| 00:57.45 | gcbirzan | streuner: Hm. This is personal now, I've been trying to extract the list of files from packages manually for half an hour now |
| 00:58.07 | streuner | gcbirzan: well, why? |
| 00:58.09 | gcbirzan | streuner: I'm just trying to see if I missed something really obvious (like I tried to parse /var/lib/dpkg/status instead of using dpkg -l) |
| 00:58.28 | gcbirzan | streuner: Well, a friend asked me to try to fix this. A challenge, as it were |
| 00:58.45 | stoned | Psi-Jack, http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/getting-started.html |
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| 00:58.55 | badcloud | tough room |
| 00:59.00 | streuner | gcbirzan: thats too much work without backup... |
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| 00:59.01 | gcbirzan | streuner: Alcohol is involved. |
| 00:59.22 | cafuego | don't give up yer day job just yet |
| 00:59.31 | streuner | gcbirzan: you may get some problems when trying to remove a package, but thats it... |
| 00:59.31 | gcbirzan | streuner: Plus, it's just a fun thing to do |
| 00:59.51 | gcbirzan | streuner: I get problems trying to do anything, dpkg is complaining about packages' file list missing. |
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| 01:00.08 | streuner | gcbirzan: etch? |
| 01:00.30 | gcbirzan | streuner: Lenny |
| 01:00.37 | gcbirzan | Trying to upgrade to sid |
| 01:00.43 | stoned | Grabanzo |
| 01:00.46 | stoned | beans |
| 01:01.07 | stoned | beanhead |
| 01:01.09 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 01:01.10 | dpkg | i guess dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 01:01.16 | cafuego | gcbirzan: if the Packages list is missing, all you need to do is run 'aptitude update' |
| 01:01.17 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 01:01.18 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny... |
| 01:01.21 | stoned | !sid upgrade |
| 01:01.21 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 01:01.25 | streuner | gcbirzan: well, i would just upgrade to sid then and after new packages are installed you shouldnt have much problems then... |
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| 01:01.29 | stoned | gcbirzan, ^^ |
| 01:01.30 | dazjorz | Hey all |
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| 01:01.45 | cafuego | Of course, Sid users know this, because they don't need to ask for help. |
| 01:01.54 | streuner | heh |
| 01:01.57 | gcbirzan | cafuego: Nah, list of files is missing. i.e /var/lib/dpkg/info/ went away |
| 01:02.08 | stoned | and a sid user knows how to fix that |
| 01:02.17 | dazjorz | I'm ssh'ing from Cygwin to this Debian machine, with X-forwarding enabled (-X on the client, X11Forwarding yes in sshd_config - but $DISPLAY isn't set when I log in |
| 01:02.23 | stoned | otherwise a sid user needs to stfu and install back to lenny |
| 01:02.24 | cafuego | "went away" ? |
| 01:02.28 | gcbirzan | /var//lib/dpkg/info going away was a hardware problem, actually. |
| 01:02.31 | gcbirzan | cafuego: Read above. |
| 01:02.42 | streuner | is a sid user, but dont know about HOW to restore without backup missing *.list files... |
| 01:02.52 | cafuego | gcbirzan: In that cause you should probably restore it from a backup. |
| 01:02.59 | gcbirzan | stoned: It's not the Sid that's the problem, it's the missing /var/lib/dpkg/info.*list |
| 01:03.32 | gcbirzan | streuner: I've downloaded the .debs of installed packages and extracted the files, then built a .list from that |
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| 01:03.32 | dazjorz | any ideas as to why $DISPLAY isn't set? |
| 01:03.32 | cafuego | if now, you can manually force a reinstall of all currently installed packages, which will recreate those files. |
| 01:03.40 | gcbirzan | streuner: But since I'm upgrading, some packages are missing. |
| 01:03.45 | streuner | too much work... |
| 01:03.53 | cafuego | current versions first. |
| 01:03.57 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 01:03.58 | dazjorz | also, I get the following message when I log in: |
| 01:04.01 | cafuego | THEN upgrade again |
| 01:04.02 | gcbirzan | streuner: True. But, seriously. Beer is involved. :-) |
| 01:04.16 | gcbirzan | cafuego: Hm. Yeah... |
| 01:04.20 | dazjorz | Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated |
| 01:04.26 | yitz_ | Just did an Etch->Lenny and mencoder with LAVC is throwing "Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec mp3. |
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| 01:04.29 | stoned | !xauth |
| 01:04.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, xauth is the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 01:04.32 | dazjorz | Warning: no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X forwarding |
| 01:04.34 | gcbirzan | cafuego: For some reason, I gave up on that... I cannot actually remember why right now, let me try again... |
| 01:04.37 | streuner_ | could be, that some packages arent in unstable anymore... |
| 01:04.43 | dazjorz | streuner_: xbase-clients is installed |
| 01:04.51 | dazjorz | messages dpkg |
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| 01:05.04 | streuner_ | dazjorz: that was for somebody else... |
| 01:05.16 | stoned | streuner_, he was talking to me |
| 01:05.18 | gcbirzan | though, what I just thought of trying is just creating empty *list files, don't think that would break anything... |
| 01:05.22 | stoned | streuner_, put your helmet back on :) |
| 01:05.34 | cafuego | maybe it's lunch time |
| 01:05.58 | dazjorz | oops, sorry streuner_, I meant stoned |
| 01:06.39 | dazjorz | xbase-clients is installed, X11Forwarding is enabled |
| 01:06.58 | CapaH | Does anyone know why I am getting this when I try: rndc reload ---> This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, the clocks are not syncronized, or the key is invalid <-- ? Anyone? |
| 01:07.06 | CapaH | rndc will not start |
| 01:07.31 | dustybin | this distro is based on debians 'testing' repositories, how odd is that? |
| 01:07.32 | dustybin | http://www.parsix.org/html/index.php |
| 01:07.42 | stoned | dazjorz, etch or lenny? |
| 01:07.47 | dazjorz | stoned: etch |
| 01:07.55 | th0ger | when i put a netinstall on a stick: "zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX", should it be sdb or sdb1? |
| 01:08.10 | dazjorz | also I grepped "DISPLAY" in ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc, found nothing |
| 01:08.12 | stoned | th0ger, it should be whatever your stick is |
| 01:08.22 | stoned | th0ger, pull out, put in, dmesg |
| 01:08.30 | stoned | th0ger, or lsusb |
| 01:08.37 | gcbirzan | stoned, cafuego, streuner: This is actually just a "hm, let's see if this can be done" thing |
| 01:08.41 | stoned | I think maybe but I dnno |
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| 01:09.05 | cafuego | gcbirzan: Of course it can, but if you're pissed it's not a good idea. |
| 01:09.13 | stoned | do what I do |
| 01:09.16 | stoned | smoke something |
| 01:09.19 | stoned | relax |
| 01:09.22 | th0ger | stoned: Well, iknow its sdb(b!), im asking for the "1! |
| 01:09.23 | stoned | and do not tell me about enter! |
| 01:09.29 | cafuego | Speaking of relaxing |
| 01:09.31 | stoned | th0ger, nothing |
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| 01:09.40 | cafuego | has a 1-hour shiatsu shortly |
| 01:10.11 | dazjorz | stoned: also, when I ssh -X to another box, $DISPLAY *is* set, so the problem would be on the Debian server side |
| 01:10.22 | dazjorz | I think it has to do with the error I get |
| 01:10.24 | stoned | dazjorz, perhaps |
| 01:10.27 | dazjorz | Warning: no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X forwarding |
| 01:10.28 | stoned | my back hurts right now |
| 01:10.31 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: you probably havn't installed xauth |
| 01:10.36 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: I do |
| 01:10.39 | dazjorz | xbase-clients is installed |
| 01:10.48 | stoned | dondelelcaro, according to the factoid |
| 01:10.50 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: on the server? |
| 01:10.51 | dazjorz | oh, nevermind that |
| 01:10.57 | dazjorz | the warning appears on the working server too |
| 01:11.01 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 01:11.16 | dazjorz | note that the working server is running an X server, the non-working server isn't, so |
| 01:11.16 | gcbirzan | cafuego: But, hey, it can be fun trying. Plus, it's not like this should actually be salvageable :-) |
| 01:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | your back hurts according to a factoid? |
| 01:11.21 | stoned | lol |
| 01:11.22 | stoned | no |
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| 01:11.25 | dazjorz | maybe there is some missing package |
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| 01:11.45 | stoned | dazjorz, xauth is pacakg, try to install it in etch too |
| 01:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need a break! |
| 01:11.53 | stoned | I need a better chair |
| 01:11.56 | somethingclever | if i download the first DVD of debian will that be enough to install a system? or do i need all the dvds listed? |
| 01:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a better factoid |
| 01:11.59 | dazjorz | is it required to install a type of X-server? |
| 01:12.07 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: and on the machine you're trying to connect from, DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY are set? |
| 01:12.07 | dazjorz | stoned: E: couldn't find package xauth |
| 01:12.08 | stoned | somethingclever, you only need cd1, not even a whole dvd1 |
| 01:12.10 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: no, it's not. |
| 01:12.21 | stoned | dazjorz, nm me do what don says |
| 01:12.24 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: XAUTHORITY isn't set |
| 01:12.25 | newsense | somethingclever, more than enough |
| 01:12.28 | somethingclever | stoned what does teh DVD have that the CD doesnt? |
| 01:12.38 | stoned | !tell somethingclever -about cd contents |
| 01:12.44 | newsense | somethingclever, more packages |
| 01:12.45 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: the client is Cygwin, by the way |
| 01:12.47 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: does xauth list; output someting useful on that machine? |
| 01:13.09 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: "xauth: creating new authority file /home/Administrator/.Xauthority" |
| 01:13.13 | dazjorz | every time I run itd |
| 01:13.20 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: (Administrator is a Windows user name) |
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| 01:13.30 | somethingclever | ok, ill just torrent the CD then |
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| 01:13.36 | somethingclever | thanks guys |
| 01:13.45 | somethingclever | i usually use ubuntu and now im using foresight and it SUCKS |
| 01:13.49 | stoned | hmmm... I want to tell you that only debian is supported here not cygwin :) |
| 01:13.51 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: uh... it shouldn't be creating one; you should have an X server running on the windows machine, and it should be creating it |
| 01:13.54 | stoned | perhaps its an issue with that |
| 01:14.13 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: since it's not, that's almost certainly your problem |
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| 01:14.17 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: there's one running - and it's working with the other server |
| 01:14.23 | yitz_ | Just did an Etch->Lenny and mencoder with LAVC is throwing "Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec mp3.". Any suggestions? |
| 01:14.29 | stoned | dazjorz, which X server do you use ? Xming? |
| 01:14.33 | dazjorz | stoned: Cygwin/X |
| 01:14.44 | stoned | I use Xming with great success |
| 01:14.45 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: if it's running as the user administrator, then it should be creating the xauthority file so that you can use it to connect |
| 01:15.16 | stoned | yitz_, where did you get mencoder originally? |
| 01:15.21 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: if one isn't being created, then that's your problem, and X11 forwarding isn't going to work |
| 01:15.24 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: when I ssh -X to a Linux Mint virtual machine, which is running Gnome, DISPLAY is "localhost:10" and xterm appears here |
| 01:15.38 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: then, when I ssh -X to this server, which isn't running X or anything graphical at all, DISPLAY is unset |
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| 01:16.19 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: I think Cygwin/X doesn't use Xauthority |
| 01:16.22 | yitz_ | stoned: Originally? No idea. After the udate I reinstalled from the debian-media repo |
| 01:16.45 | yitz_ | http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 01:17.14 | stoned | yitz_, do you have libmp3lame? |
| 01:17.21 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: there is /tmp/.X11-unix though |
| 01:17.30 | yitz_ | stoned: I got 'libmp3lame0' |
| 01:17.31 | stoned | yitz_, also I think libavcodec |
| 01:17.41 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: and XWin is running with pid 3684 |
| 01:17.46 | yitz_ | stoned: libavcodec51 |
| 01:17.51 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: but probably, because of this Cygwin layer, things are weird |
| 01:18.00 | stoned | yitz_, mencoder -oac help |
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| 01:18.56 | yitz_ | stoned: http://pastebin.com/me34c95c |
| 01:19.07 | yitz_ | available codecs inc mp3lame - cbr/abr/vbr MP3 using libmp3lame |
| 01:19.09 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: that's just the socket for connecting to the Xserver |
| 01:19.09 | stoned | mp3lame - cbr/abr/vbr MP3 using libmp3lame |
| 01:19.12 | stoned | yup |
| 01:19.21 | stoned | yitz_, what exactly is the problem again? |
| 01:19.27 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: there should be an option to create the Xauthority file somewhere in cygwin; #cygwin can probably help you with that |
| 01:19.34 | yitz_ | stoned: It reports "Audio LAVC, couldn't find encoder for codec mp3." |
| 01:19.40 | stoned | hm |
| 01:19.41 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: the Windows/DOS batch-script runs the X-window server by |
| 01:19.42 | dazjorz | %RUN% XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error |
| 01:19.46 | stoned | yitz_, try #mplayer also |
| 01:19.48 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: well - it shouldn't be a problem on this side |
| 01:19.54 | stoned | yitz_, I'm trying to also think/look |
| 01:19.57 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: the other server works just fine, this one doesn't |
| 01:20.20 | yitz_ | stoned: My command includes '-ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1:vbitrate=196:acodec=mp3:abitrate=160' |
| 01:20.56 | stoned | It makes no sense to use -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp3 when -oac mp3lame is there |
| 01:21.00 | stoned | ... |
| 01:21.01 | stoned | yitz_, try that |
| 01:21.09 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: is it remotely possible some users aren't *allowed* to do X forwarding? |
| 01:21.24 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: or - something must be listening on display 10, to forward it - can I check wether this is happening? |
| 01:21.25 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: depends on the configuration of the sshd on the server |
| 01:21.26 | stoned | yitz_, try to do audio seperately maybe |
| 01:21.38 | stoned | yitz_, I dunno I think you should consult with mplayer |
| 01:21.47 | yitz_ | Joined #mplayer |
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| 01:22.18 | yitz_ | Sweet. Thanks, stoned. Your -aoc solution fixed it! |
| 01:22.19 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: sshd should be listening on localhost:6010 |
| 01:22.23 | stoned | yitz_, :) |
| 01:22.25 | stoned | yw |
| 01:22.37 | stoned | you just have to think a little bit :) |
| 01:22.45 | stoned | (and blaze... tee hee) |
| 01:23.33 | yitz_ | stoned: The command is/was generated by a script I wrote a while back and the command always worked until the upgrade so it never occured to me to take a second look at it ;) |
| 01:23.34 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: on the working server, it is; on the non-working server, it isn't |
| 01:23.39 | dazjorz | but why wouldn't it :/ |
| 01:23.49 | dazjorz | wait, I'll tell ssh to be more verbose |
| 01:23.53 | stoned | yitz_, it happens |
| 01:23.55 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: then check the configuration of sshd on the server |
| 01:24.09 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: Remote: no xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing |
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| 01:24.24 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: though running `xauth` gives me an xauth shell |
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| 01:24.31 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: on the remote machine? |
| 01:24.34 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 01:24.57 | dazjorz | $ which xauth |
| 01:24.59 | dazjorz | /usr/bin/xauth |
| 01:25.05 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: what does which xauth; output? what does grep X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config; output? |
| 01:25.34 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: xauth: creating new authority file /home/dazjorz/.Xauthority \n Using authority file /home/dazjorz/.Xauthority \n xauth> |
| 01:25.51 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: X11Forwarding yes \n X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 01:26.41 | CheeToS | is there some simple way to get the escape character for terminal colors typed in? (\033) |
| 01:27.20 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: mind if I pm you a larger line of debug output? |
| 01:27.26 | stoned | CheeToS, yes very easy |
| 01:27.29 | stoned | CheeToS, alias |
| 01:27.37 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: use a paste site if you can |
| 01:27.46 | dazjorz | sure :) |
| 01:27.49 | stoned | ESC="\033" |
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| 01:28.03 | stoned | BG_WHITE=47 |
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| 01:28.24 | stoned | then use like $ESC and $BG_WHITE etc. |
| 01:28.29 | stoned | let me show you example |
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| 01:29.12 | stoned | CheeToS, http://paste.debian.net/24570/ |
| 01:29.16 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: pasted some more at http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=3717 |
| 01:29.19 | stoned | for example |
| 01:30.03 | stoned | btw the other vars are mine I use for my own custom prompts for various thigns |
| 01:30.09 | enouf | http://www.termsys.demon.co.uk/vtansi.htm and man console_codes |
| 01:30.10 | stoned | buty eh, I mean you get the basic idea |
| 01:30.42 | stoned | enouf, fantastic, thanks |
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| 01:30.52 | stoned | enouf, so many more codes I can use |
| 01:31.01 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 01:31.57 | enouf | http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/padala.html |
| 01:32.04 | stoned | all day today I thought it was sunday for some reason |
| 01:32.06 | stoned | I dunno why |
| 01:32.29 | stoned | I almost got dressed to go into work for a little bit just to show my face |
| 01:33.16 | stoned | and like my roommate was like dude, its saturday. I think its because I was trying to do soemthign with dates on my box last night and kept seeing saturday cuz it was like past midnight and then I woke up and thought it was sunday |
| 01:33.22 | stoned | anyway. |
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| 01:36.31 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: hrm... the whole "xauth" not available on remote is really suspicious. I'd restart sshd and/or check very carefully to see why it's not finding it |
| 01:37.32 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: if you're still certain that it really is on the remote server, consider running strace -fff ssh -d -p 2222; on the server and connecting to that port with ssh -X from cygwin to see what it's doing |
| 01:37.43 | dazjorz | hmm, good idea |
| 01:38.18 | gcbirzan | stoned, cafuego, streuner: Aaand, managed it. Thanks :-D |
| 01:38.47 | stoned | word |
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| 01:43.12 | dustybin | my server just beeped and this appearted |
| 01:43.15 | dustybin | kernel: [ 382.948557] Disabling IRQ #23 |
| 01:43.19 | dustybin | appeared |
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| 01:44.21 | stoned | whats irq 23 mapped to in your hw table? |
| 01:44.35 | DimmuR| | anyone knows when python2.6 is going to be released in debian? |
| 01:44.35 | dustybin | how can one find that out? |
| 01:44.54 | stoned | dustybin, I'm not sure |
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| 01:45.05 | dutchfish | how to prevent my wlan card going into suspend in S6 state, its nice but not always |
| 01:45.12 | stoned | dustybin, I'm just hopiong a device didn't blow up ;) |
| 01:45.23 | dustybin | oh noooooooo please dont say that |
| 01:45.51 | stoned | well, when a kernel turns off an irq its usually not a godo sign |
| 01:45.52 | CheeToS | stoned: found an easier way :D |
| 01:45.57 | CheeToS | ctrl+v, then press esc |
| 01:46.02 | stoned | CheeToS, who are you? |
| 01:46.08 | stoned | what? |
| 01:46.24 | CheeToS | I asked you about the ESC character |
| 01:46.29 | stoned | oh the bash codes guy |
| 01:46.31 | CheeToS | lol |
| 01:46.31 | stoned | :) |
| 01:46.32 | dutchfish | dustybin, have you looked in /proc/irq/23/ ? |
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| 01:46.41 | dustybin | ill have a look! |
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| 01:46.54 | X1938- | is it possible to make cron work only for 1 month ? |
| 01:46.58 | X1938- | or 1 week ? |
| 01:46.59 | stoned | yes |
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| 01:47.23 | dutchfish | or at maybe? |
| 01:47.30 | X1938- | as in not just set it to restart an application |
| 01:47.32 | dustybin | dutchfish: hcd is mentioned quite a bit |
| 01:47.47 | X1938- | but to restart and application if closed for only 1 month |
| 01:47.52 | enouf | cat /proc/interrupts stoned and dutchfish |
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| 01:47.57 | X1938- | 1 one week.. what ever |
| 01:48.28 | dutchfish | enouf, thanks |
| 01:48.33 | dazjorz | X1938-: or you can make a command that checks the date like that |
| 01:48.34 | X1938- | an application* |
| 01:48.44 | dustybin | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/24572/ |
| 01:49.05 | dutchfish | dustybin, ah |
| 01:49.11 | enouf | dutchfish: oh crap - i meant dustybin |
| 01:49.14 | dutchfish | dustybin, lenny 2.6.26? |
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| 01:49.44 | dustybin | yes |
| 01:49.46 | stoned | man |
| 01:49.49 | stoned | too many d nicks |
| 01:49.54 | Tramp | dazjorz: does it work with "ssh -Y" instead of -X? |
| 01:49.55 | dustybin | Hostname: private - OS: Linux 2.6.26-1-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.192 MHz) - Processes: 202 - Uptime: 14m - Load Average: 1.22 - Memory Usage: 233.88MB/1011.42MB (23.12%) - Disk Usage: 509.87GB/952.00GB (53.56%) |
| 01:50.08 | dutchfish | dustybin, i found out that lenny latest stock, does load ohci and ehci in wrong order |
| 01:50.11 | X1938- | dazjorz : make a command ? |
| 01:50.13 | dazjorz | Tramp: nope, tried that too |
| 01:50.17 | dazjorz | X1938-: well, write one |
| 01:50.19 | dutchfish | dustybin, could be related |
| 01:50.21 | stoned | make a command? |
| 01:50.21 | X1938- | wouldnt the command end if the application closes. |
| 01:50.23 | dazjorz | X1938-: I don't know if cron can do it by itself |
| 01:50.23 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 01:51.05 | dutchfish | dustybin, i believe ehci must be loaded first if i am correct |
| 01:51.14 | dustybin | right ok |
| 01:51.19 | dutchfish | dustybin, or was it otherwise around |
| 01:51.19 | dazjorz | X1938-: set as cron command: perl -e 'exec("your command") if(time <= $END_TIME)' |
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| 01:51.42 | dazjorz | X1938-: where $END_TIME is in unix timestamp, and "your command" is either one command, or "command", "--argument" (that's the recommended way, anyway) |
| 01:51.43 | X1938- | :) |
| 01:51.52 | enouf | dazjorz: have you tried xauth extract and merge options? |
| 01:51.55 | dazjorz | X1938-: the command will stay, it will have no effect |
| 01:52.00 | dazjorz | enouf: hmm, how do I do that? |
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| 01:52.57 | dutchfish | dustybin, the joke with this wrong order is that udev correct it after an usb suspend |
| 01:53.19 | dutchfish | dustybin, need to delve into it further so |
| 01:53.33 | dustybin | i need to make sure my usb suspend is turned off otherwise my mythtv tv cards will not function properly |
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| 01:53.43 | dutchfish | dustybin, ok |
| 01:53.55 | chuck | I can't find apxs, I have apache2-prefork-dev installed, but the configure script for suphp isn't finding it, any ideas? |
| 01:53.56 | dustybin | my logs are filling up with errors right now |
| 01:54.19 | dutchfish | dustybin, i use 2.6.28 now, it has alot of usb cleanups for suspend issues |
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| 01:54.35 | dutchfish | dustybin, ouch |
| 01:54.40 | dustybin | dutchfish: is that in unstable? |
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| 01:54.50 | dutchfish | dustybin, no, at least not yet |
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| 01:54.58 | dustybin | ok |
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| 01:55.29 | dutchfish | dustybin, you might try 2.6.27.10 also i believe its in unstable |
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| 01:55.56 | dustybin | ok thanks :) |
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| 01:57.23 | eflynn | how do you install the Emacs manual |
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| 01:58.22 | stoned | eflynn, are you serious? |
| 01:58.47 | eflynn | stoned: um, yes? |
| 01:59.04 | eflynn | i did C-x r and nothing comes up |
| 01:59.06 | eflynn | so |
| 01:59.09 | eflynn | where is the manual |
| 01:59.17 | eflynn | err i mean |
| 01:59.20 | eflynn | C-h r |
| 01:59.30 | stoned | eflynn, #emacs |
| 01:59.45 | dustybin | on debian you are not meant to mix and match unstable / stable / testing repos, but when it comes to the kernel, it doesnt matter? |
| 01:59.46 | eflynn | what package is it in |
| 02:00.10 | stoned | is n ot |
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| 02:01.18 | stoned | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsForDebian |
| 02:01.46 | X1938- | dazjorz : doesnt seems like thats going to work. |
| 02:02.00 | stoned | wow thats old |
| 02:02.07 | smacnay | I am taking "empathy" for a spin. bare bones but shows a lot of promise |
| 02:02.08 | enouf | dustybin: have you tried any sdparm commands? and fwiw, i can boot a 2.6.16 or a .26, no matter here |
| 02:02.22 | X1938- | since crontab would still load the application after the command ends |
| 02:02.32 | enouf | dustybin: just don't remove your working kernels, no sweat ;-O |
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| 02:02.50 | X1938- | its not a matter of keeping an application running now |
| 02:02.59 | X1938- | but to get it to run after system downtime. |
| 02:03.14 | enouf | X1938-: what about 'at' or maybe 'anacron' - btw, wayttd? |
| 02:03.39 | enouf | X1938-: for after system downtime - see anacron |
| 02:03.45 | dutchfish | how to prevent my wlan card going into suspend in S6 state, its nice but not always |
| 02:04.16 | X1938- | enouf , ill try that ty. |
| 02:04.39 | enouf | dustybin: tweak the acpi scripts? /etc/acpi/* or wherever they are that are responsibke for sleeping |
| 02:04.40 | X1938- | ill check what it is first* |
| 02:05.16 | dustybin | enouf: its ok, ive checked that autosuspend is turned off by: |
| 02:05.17 | dustybin | grep . /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend |
| 02:05.22 | enouf | dustybin: also see if maybe ethtool has some option you can pass to the card |
| 02:05.23 | dustybin | grep "" /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/level |
| 02:06.21 | enouf | crap - i meant dutchfish also see if maybe ethtool has some option you can pass to the card |
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| 02:06.38 | enouf | dutchfish: that means nothing, AFAICT |
| 02:06.40 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, got that, thanks |
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| 02:07.54 | dutchfish | enouf, mmm... just want to know why with iwconfig Power Management:off does not actually works |
| 02:08.19 | X1938- | enouf , im checking for a way to keep a customers ircd for example stay alive for online 30 days |
| 02:08.32 | X1938- | as in only what he has payed for |
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| 02:08.56 | X1938- | and when he pays again i could add another 30 days |
| 02:08.59 | dazjorz | X1938-: why isn't my solution going to work? |
| 02:09.00 | eflynn | Folks, I need some help here. I'm looking for the emacs manual in info format. I'm running testing, and i'm not sure what package it's in, and i'm surprised that i can't find it. |
| 02:09.06 | X1938- | but cron by itself doesnt seem to work in such a way. |
| 02:09.19 | dazjorz | X1938-: take time() plus 30 * 24 * 60 * 60 seconds |
| 02:09.28 | dutchfish | X1938, why not fire your own script that checks from a let say mysql db, and does disabled it for that user then? |
| 02:09.33 | dazjorz | X1938-: as long as time does not pass today + 30 seconds... |
| 02:09.34 | X1938- | dazjorz , because cron would run the application even after the command has ended |
| 02:09.42 | dazjorz | X1938-: what dutchfish says would be a nicer solution |
| 02:09.48 | dazjorz | X1938-: yes - but it won't have any effect |
| 02:10.00 | dazjorz | X1938-: but what you are trying to do is weird anyway |
| 02:10.06 | dazjorz | I get it, but there are better ways than using cron |
| 02:10.22 | X1938- | dazjorz , go on please :) |
| 02:10.22 | enouf | dutchfish: well .. when the NIC is rx/tx data, it won't do so without other system items being 'up' |
| 02:10.33 | dazjorz | write a script that, as dutchfish says, checks against a database and checks if the ircd's are online, then have cron run that script every five minutes |
| 02:10.42 | dazjorz | you don't need a seperate cron rule for every ircd, just an entry in the database |
| 02:10.44 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 02:10.52 | dazjorz | it doesn't matter wether it's MySQL, or SQlite, or PostgreSQL |
| 02:11.03 | dazjorz | or even a text file! |
| 02:11.06 | dazjorz | use your imagination :) |
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| 02:11.31 | enouf | dutchfish: other than perhaps tftp/netbooting/pxe or WOL or DMI type things .. |
| 02:11.50 | Tekno | hello |
| 02:12.03 | Tekno | how can i make automount for usb stick |
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| 02:12.11 | X1938- | dazjorz , i wouldnt know how to do that. |
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| 02:12.24 | stoned | Tekno, pmount |
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| 02:12.53 | stoned | hm |
| 02:12.56 | Tekno | i see.. |
| 02:12.56 | stoned | !pmount |
| 02:12.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 02:13.02 | stoned | oh cool, yeh there is a factoid |
| 02:13.14 | Tekno | but that needs user interaction |
| 02:13.26 | stoned | just read the documentation |
| 02:13.27 | Tekno | i want usb stick auto mount |
| 02:13.33 | enouf | !automount |
| 02:13.33 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 02:13.44 | enouf | write a udev rule then |
| 02:13.48 | stoned | !kde automount |
| 02:13.48 | dpkg | To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works. |
| 02:13.52 | Tekno | really? |
| 02:13.55 | dazjorz | X1938-: then hire someone to do it, or find out |
| 02:13.59 | newsense | udev rocks |
| 02:14.01 | Tekno | ubuntu has working auto mount |
| 02:14.04 | dazjorz | X1938-: as I understand you're going commercial anyway |
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| 02:14.09 | enouf | no it doesn't |
| 02:14.13 | Tekno | yes it does |
| 02:14.15 | X1938- | hehe |
| 02:14.18 | stoned | Tekno, this is not ubuntu |
| 02:14.21 | enouf | not without one of the aforementioned items |
| 02:14.23 | stoned | Tekno, we don't care what ubuntu has. |
| 02:14.24 | enouf | no it doesn't |
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| 02:14.43 | stoned | Tekno, you want automount, you were told what to read |
| 02:14.52 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, ill figure it out why it goes into suspend only in S6 state sometimes |
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| 02:15.05 | stoned | !tell Tekno -about usb mount |
| 02:15.54 | enouf | dutchfish: got a list somewhere which shows what are each of the SN states of acpi? i haven't bothered to learn them, memorize them |
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| 02:18.26 | dutchfish | enouf, http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.txt |
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| 02:19.04 | eflynn | Apparently i had to put "non-free" in my sources.list to get the Emacs manual |
| 02:19.13 | eflynn | So just remember that the next time someone asks |
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| 02:20.07 | stoned | whats the pacakge name? |
| 02:20.19 | dutchfish | enouf, chapter 18.1 |
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| 02:20.38 | stoned | dutchfish, are you dutch? |
| 02:20.47 | dutchfish | stoned, yes |
| 02:20.53 | eflynn | stoned: emacs22-common-non-dfsg |
| 02:20.54 | stoned | dutchfish, do you also like fish? |
| 02:21.05 | Element14 | eflynn: probably something to do with the licensing problems of GNU FDL |
| 02:21.06 | dutchfish | stoned, sometimes ;) |
| 02:21.07 | eflynn | stoned: or emacs*-*-non-dfsg |
| 02:21.12 | stoned | dutchfish, hmm |
| 02:21.16 | stoned | eflynn, I see |
| 02:21.26 | simonrvn | eflynn: yeh, because it's GFDL |
| 02:21.47 | stoned | !gfdl |
| 02:21.47 | dpkg | somebody said gfdl was probably the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 02:21.52 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:22.31 | eflynn | honestly, could they have put a note somewhere in the readme or emacs itself? I think debian is a bit anal retentive |
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| 02:23.01 | stoned | its not becuase of us |
| 02:23.06 | simonrvn | take it up with debian-legal ;) |
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| 02:23.15 | eflynn | ;) |
| 02:23.18 | stoned | its because of all the assholes who put up bullshit patents and copyright an other bullshit laws |
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| 02:23.30 | stoned | we have to cover our ass, and have to keep free |
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| 02:24.28 | dustybin | do distros get letters from companies like microsoft warning them about stuff? |
| 02:24.28 | simonrvn | it's because of greedy fuckers who abuse patent, copyright, trademark laws |
| 02:24.31 | X1938- | dazjorz : do you think a script that removes a con rule after a period of time would work ? |
| 02:24.51 | X1938- | with another one that kills an application after a period of time. |
| 02:25.07 | X1938- | that should , dont you think ? |
| 02:25.12 | simonrvn | and pay off certain peopl to pass bullshit laws |
| 02:25.13 | Element14 | i thought the problem with GFDL was more ideological than a genuine concern that people like the emacs guys would sue debian? |
| 02:25.22 | simonrvn | dustybin: ask them |
| 02:25.32 | dustybin | "To Debian, Would you mind removing msttcorefonts from your packages as they are mine. Love Bill Gates / MS" |
| 02:25.41 | dutchfish | X1938-, sure, but there are mor elegant ways, adding and removing cronjobs all the time can be tricky |
| 02:25.47 | simonrvn | dustybin: they're not in debian |
| 02:25.58 | simonrvn | they're downloaded from sf.net |
| 02:26.03 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 02:26.06 | simonrvn | besides, M$hit released them |
| 02:26.08 | X1938- | dutchfish , true |
| 02:26.14 | stoned | lol |
| 02:26.14 | X1938- | :( |
| 02:26.16 | stoned | mshit |
| 02:26.29 | simonrvn | still not dfsg free, but installable |
| 02:26.30 | dustybin | Micro$hit |
| 02:26.44 | simonrvn | stoned: you forgot the $ |
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| 02:26.47 | stoned | heh |
| 02:26.53 | stoned | yes I did |
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| 02:27.29 | stoned | my back hurts and my neck hurts and my arms hurt |
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| 02:27.31 | stoned | kinda |
| 02:27.33 | dutchfish | hands X1938- the advcanced bash scripting guide |
| 02:27.44 | simonrvn | the only thing good they've done is make people want to uninstall it, and come up with different operating systems |
| 02:27.57 | s3a | I just bought HP G50 laptop and when I try to install off DVD (someone on internet had same problem probably with CD) that it says there is no CD in the drive and suggests loading the modules via floppy but this laptop doesnt have a floppy drive |
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| 02:28.10 | s3a | ubuntu 8.04 live cd didn't load |
| 02:28.13 | s3a | but 8.10 does |
| 02:28.15 | s3a | and im on it now |
| 02:28.20 | simonrvn | probably too new |
| 02:28.22 | stoned | s3a, this is #debian |
| 02:28.27 | stoned | s3a, you need to go to #ubuntu |
| 02:28.34 | simonrvn | !etchnhalf |
| 02:28.34 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 02:28.35 | s3a | no, i want to use debian |
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| 02:28.51 | simonrvn | s3a: ^^^ |
| 02:28.56 | stoned | s3a, so you are trying to isntall debian DVD? |
| 02:29.02 | stoned | should have said so |
| 02:29.04 | stoned | lol |
| 02:29.04 | s3a | im only on ubuntu because i need the live cd |
| 02:29.04 | s3a | but i want to install etch |
| 02:29.14 | stoned | yeh I figured it out now |
| 02:29.37 | s3a | i just opened the laptop like 2-3 hours ago maybe? |
| 02:29.51 | s3a | i mean the box lol like its brand new :) |
| 02:29.51 | stoned | s3a, you need to install lenny or etchnhalf |
| 02:29.54 | stoned | you need updated drivers |
| 02:30.01 | stoned | look at what dpkg just told |
| 02:30.13 | simonrvn | !tell s3a -about etchnhalf |
| 02:30.15 | s3a | well i want lenny but i only have etch disc |
| 02:30.24 | s3a | and ubuntu discs |
| 02:30.31 | dutchfish | !tell s3a about netinstall |
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| 02:30.37 | s3a | i was planning to dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 02:30.48 | s3a | like while i was sleeping |
| 02:30.56 | stoned | lol |
| 02:31.00 | stoned | thats so cute |
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| 02:31.04 | simonrvn | dude |
| 02:31.17 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:31.48 | s3a | well i have debian etch amd64 release 4a |
| 02:31.52 | s3a | dvd disc |
| 02:31.56 | simonrvn | s3a: stop telling us and go install etchnhalf ;) |
| 02:32.11 | s3a | lol but how? i thot that was in repositories only |
| 02:32.18 | stoned | s3a, etch 4.0 will not work for you |
| 02:32.24 | stoned | s3a, it is too old for your hw |
| 02:32.35 | stoned | s3a, you need etch + half or lenny installer |
| 02:32.41 | stoned | s3a, does that make sense? |
| 02:32.46 | simonrvn | you've told you twice already |
| 02:32.47 | s3a | ya it does but wat doesnt is |
| 02:33.00 | s3a | i thot release 4a had etchnhalf in it |
| 02:33.02 | dutchfish | mumbles the new lenny installer is actually quiet good at the moment |
| 02:33.15 | simonrvn | the etch kernel is too old.... |
| 02:33.31 | drazak | lenny released |
| 02:33.41 | simonrvn | dutchfish: likely. lenny's releasing soon i think |
| 02:33.48 | simonrvn | drazak: when? |
| 02:33.51 | dutchfish | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:33.51 | drazak | never |
| 02:33.52 | eflynn | if ubuntu is a polished linux distro that uses dpkg and packages from the debian project, is the debian distro still relevant? should debian go on as a distro or become a package repository? are there pros to using debian vs ubuntu? discuss. |
| 02:34.10 | simonrvn | !lart drazak |
| 02:34.11 | dpkg | beats drazak senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 02:34.25 | dutchfish | !coffee simonrvn |
| 02:34.25 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for simonrvn, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 02:34.26 | drazak | :P |
| 02:34.26 | s3a | eflynn: much more stable ;) |
| 02:34.36 | simonrvn | eflynn: it doesn't use debian packages. |
| 02:34.47 | simonrvn | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 02:35.03 | s3a | it uses modified debian packages, doesnt it? |
| 02:35.03 | stoned | eflynn, ubuntu is not polished |
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| 02:35.12 | X1938- | damn you dutchfish , this stuff isnt easy . |
| 02:35.31 | dutchfish | X1938, no room for lazy admins in here ;) |
| 02:35.32 | X1938- | were you talkn about tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/? |
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| 02:35.38 | X1938- | hehe |
| 02:35.38 | stoned | eflynn, its debian unstable with a dress and suite put on with a briefcase but it has no education so its like a really useless business suite wearing moron |
| 02:35.42 | s3a | can i make netinstall boot from usb flash drive? |
| 02:35.45 | stoned | eflynn, I think |
| 02:35.53 | stoned | s3a, you have a OS already? |
| 02:36.02 | eflynn | stoned: really? how so |
| 02:36.04 | stoned | s3a, you don't even need netinst, use netboot |
| 02:36.08 | simonrvn | s3a: only some are. ubuntu is drifting like mandrake (mandriva for you newbies) vs. redhat a long time ago |
| 02:36.20 | s3a | stoned: in this laptop all i have is vista so far |
| 02:36.22 | stoned | eflynn, poor quality |
| 02:36.24 | dutchfish | X1938-, after you mastered it, i whole new world will appear, i am sure |
| 02:36.29 | stoned | eflynn, in almost every way shape and form |
| 02:36.46 | simonrvn | but some code is still shared. it however has its own repos, packages, and such. |
| 02:36.50 | Element14 | stoned: hey isn't what you described what the world wants? |
| 02:36.51 | s3a | and i want to remove vista but i think i need it to activate my wireless card b4 using linux for some reason that googling told me |
| 02:36.57 | Element14 | more business suit wearing morons? |
| 02:37.02 | stoned | s3a, ok |
| 02:37.05 | stoned | s3a, here |
| 02:37.13 | stoned | !tell s3a -about debian.exe |
| 02:37.16 | stoned | enjoy |
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| 02:37.34 | eflynn | i want a chick in a biz suit |
| 02:37.37 | stoned | s3a, do not restart if the program asks you |
| 02:37.40 | eflynn | so i can keep her in my closet |
| 02:37.46 | eflynn | bring her out once in a while |
| 02:37.46 | eflynn | heh |
| 02:37.53 | dutchfish | eflynn, i want one that tyoes fast and runs slow ;) |
| 02:38.07 | X1938- | :D |
| 02:38.08 | stoned | s3a, make sure you download the correct debian |
| 02:38.15 | eflynn | dutchfish: lulz. |
| 02:38.19 | stoned | s3a, this is where debian install guide comes handy |
| 02:38.42 | stoned | s3a, you need to probably manually download a lenny installer daily/weekly netboot image |
| 02:38.58 | stoned | s3a, modify c:\debian\menu.lst properly before you reboot |
| 02:41.02 | s3a | but why even use an exe? this is a recent computer, cant i just download an install disc and put it on my 4 gb usb flash drive? |
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| 02:41.21 | simonrvn | sure |
| 02:41.21 | dutchfish | !netinstall |
| 02:41.22 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 02:41.24 | stoned | cuz its easy... |
| 02:41.30 | simonrvn | use the usb install method |
| 02:41.51 | stoned | either use my advise to make life really easy... or burn a cd. |
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| 02:42.00 | stoned | whatever you want |
| 02:42.27 | stoned | in fact, you can use my method with the netinst cd image and hd-media installer image... |
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| 02:42.54 | stoned | or with dvd1 or cd1 or whatever |
| 02:44.20 | stoned | 1 |
| 02:44.24 | stoned | dang alt key |
| 02:44.36 | stoned | !usb install |
| 02:44.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and ... |
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| 02:45.45 | s3a | stoned: wait, im confused so im googling a guide and will get back to u if i have specific questions |
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| 02:47.50 | X1938- | well, |
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| 02:48.06 | X1938- | if i dont end up reading the guide , ill be back soon. |
| 02:48.15 | X1938- | cheers from Beirut. |
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| 02:50.45 | stoned | s3a, ok |
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| 02:50.51 | stoned | s3a, I'll be here for a few more hours |
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| 02:53.23 | s3a | im stuck here: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ what do i download? (i want lenny amd64) |
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| 02:54.29 | stoned | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 02:54.38 | stoned | linux, initrd.gz |
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| 02:55.02 | stoned | use this to replace the shit downloaded by debian.exe |
| 02:55.04 | mordy | stoned, the link you gave him is for wtch |
| 02:55.09 | mordy | etch |
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| 02:55.28 | stoned | replace etch with lenny? |
| 02:55.39 | stoned | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/ |
| 02:55.43 | mordy | yeah |
| 02:55.55 | s3a | ok so (http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/) what do i download? |
| 02:55.57 | stoned | no that was a sarcastic rhetocial question |
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| 02:56.06 | stoned | I'm not repeating myself |
| 02:56.08 | stoned | ... |
| 02:56.19 | s3a | well can u copy paste wat u said then? |
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| 02:56.27 | s3a | like the answer |
| 02:56.31 | stoned | no |
| 02:56.38 | mordy | just read the installation manual |
| 02:56.40 | stoned | you need to pay attention and read for yourself |
| 02:56.53 | mordy | trust me you'll get a lot more information about it than we can give you |
| 02:56.54 | X1938- | easy on the guy |
| 02:56.54 | s3a | but i dont no wat to read and wat to pay attention to |
| 02:56.55 | stoned | all the information is given to you and I am not going to hold your hand |
| 02:57.07 | mordy | if you don't want to read then you shouldn't be using linux |
| 02:57.19 | stoned | are you serious???! |
| 02:57.19 | unop_ | easy |
| 02:57.25 | stoned | we just told you what to read.. |
| 02:57.26 | X1938- | here comes the whole channel |
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| 02:57.48 | Shadow_Master | would it be too dangerous to track sid for a new laptop? :) |
| 02:57.51 | stoned | like 5 minutes ago |
| 02:58.01 | stoned | Shadow_Master, if you have to ask, yes. |
| 02:58.14 | Shadow_Master | the most important (and low-level) things do not work properly with lenny. to begin with cpufreeq not working at all. |
| 02:58.30 | s3a | o i found boot.img.gz |
| 02:58.40 | Shadow_Master | and I sometimes get stuck with no keyboard or mouse working after booting |
| 02:58.51 | stoned | you know |
| 02:59.00 | unop_ | Shadow_Master, what makes you think sid would be the answer to your problems tho? :) |
| 02:59.02 | stoned | last time |
| 02:59.06 | stoned | seriously |
| 02:59.14 | stoned | !tell s3a -about ig |
| 02:59.32 | stoned | stop asking questions now until you have at least read chapters 3, 4, AND 5. |
| 02:59.36 | stoned | pref. 6 too |
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| 03:00.13 | mordy | then stoned will give you a degree and you'll be authorized to boss around people in your predicament in the future |
| 03:00.16 | mordy | :P |
| 03:00.31 | Shadow_Master | s/mouse/touchpad and any other sort of input devices/ |
| 03:00.56 | mordy | shadow, i think that's more dependent on X than on lenny/sid/whatever |
| 03:01.15 | Shadow_Master | mordy: not really. |
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| 03:01.42 | Shadow_Master | it happens even before the console setup and X stuff runs. |
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| 03:02.31 | mordy | shadow_master, then perhaps i'm not understanding your problem correctly |
| 03:02.37 | Shadow_Master | and it is *random*. i.e., sometimes it boots and I have the touchpad and keyboard working. Other times (rarer) , they just don't work. |
| 03:02.57 | Shadow_Master | as simple as a press a key and it doesn't get to the linux console :| |
| 03:03.08 | mordy | shadow_master, it could be a result of the device node attached to the touchpad |
| 03:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:03.38 | mordy | i've found a fix for that somewhere, but forgot where |
| 03:03.53 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, yes my back hurts becuase of a factoid! ;) |
| 03:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be the ig factoid |
| 03:04.17 | stoned | lol |
| 03:04.49 | Shadow_Master | well, anyway you are right. sid isn't the solution. it has the same kernel as lenny right now. :( |
| 03:05.41 | Shadow_Master | ah yeah, cpufreq doesn't work either and that makes having a laptop with batery kind of useless. |
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| 03:05.56 | mordy | there is an alternative to cpufreq - i thihnk |
| 03:06.04 | mordy | powersaved(?) |
| 03:06.21 | Shadow_Master | doesn't it use the same kernel modules? |
| 03:06.42 | Shadow_Master | I mean, I used to have powersaved in opensuse :) |
| 03:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, shaddup datase |
| 03:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 03:06.55 | mordy | lol |
| 03:07.01 | stoned | put on your helmet! |
| 03:07.15 | stoned | get under the table before you hurt yourself ;) |
| 03:07.26 | mordy | shadow_master, odn't know much abouut them, i do think they are mutually exclusive though |
| 03:07.49 | Shadow_Master | I could try if I could connect the laptop to the Internet :) |
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| 03:08.11 | s3a | does it matter which filesystem my usb stick is for debian booting? |
| 03:08.12 | mordy | ... but of course you have a wifi driver that's acting up with debian... |
| 03:08.28 | mordy | or rather a wifi adapter |
| 03:08.51 | enouf | wow .. i just noticed a serious bug in rcconf, however it's been fixed in (atleast) sid's 1.24 version (previously i was using 1.19) |
| 03:08.55 | Shadow_Master | mordy: ath5k doesn't work. no winxp 64 drivers to use with ndiswrapper. and madwifi causes dhclient to timeout |
| 03:09.13 | mordy | gah lol |
| 03:09.21 | Shadow_Master | althhough it enumerates wlan networks properly. |
| 03:09.23 | s3a | o nvm |
| 03:09.29 | mordy | man, i'm lucky i generally use intel or ralink |
| 03:09.33 | stoned | buy a linksys usb based nic |
| 03:09.50 | mordy | will you sponsor it, stoned? |
| 03:10.03 | Shadow_Master | I'm sure that if I could, I'd have a wired Internet connection too ;) |
| 03:10.08 | stoned | and only if you buy me an ounce of weed for my toubles |
| 03:10.09 | stoned | sure |
| 03:10.16 | stoned | troubles* |
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| 03:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | s3a, you'll have to pass the test stoned is just right now preparing for you 1st before you can ask more questions |
| 03:10.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:11.21 | mordy | i don't think linux cares about filesystems |
| 03:12.05 | enouf | mordy: well, / on fat isn't a purdy choice :-P |
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| 03:12.18 | mordy | it's the standard with usb sticks |
| 03:12.30 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 03:12.40 | enouf | s3a: see syslinux.zytor.com - most times fat/vfat for a /boot |
| 03:12.41 | Shadow_Master | has a usb stick with a ext2 filesystem |
| 03:12.42 | mordy | besides, the fs doesn't make that much of a difference considering that fragmentation is a non-issue with flash media |
| 03:12.44 | stoned | tokes |
| 03:12.54 | enouf | s3a: extlinux comes to mind |
| 03:12.57 | stoned | puts in popcorn and gets some soda |
| 03:13.02 | s3a | is fat16 ok? |
| 03:13.16 | mordy | s3a, yes.. but why would you want that? |
| 03:13.20 | stoned | did you just ask... |
| 03:13.23 | stoned | I mean |
| 03:13.24 | stoned | seriously |
| 03:13.32 | mordy | err... wait - doesn't fat16 have the filename limitation thingy? |
| 03:13.40 | Shadow_Master | more or less. |
| 03:13.42 | stoned | I'm ... I'm gonna shush. Ya'll take care of him. |
| 03:13.51 | enouf | mordy: hush hon |
| 03:13.54 | mordy | lol |
| 03:13.54 | s3a | i thot it had a 2gb limit but it formatted my 4gb stick fine |
| 03:14.09 | enouf | mordy: and no concept of NIX permissions ;-) |
| 03:14.11 | WorkingJob | interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in working on internet?? query me!!!interested in wor |
| 03:14.22 | Shadow_Master | I read in a howto that the 2 GB limitation was part of MSDOS' quriks, not FAT16's. |
| 03:14.27 | stoned | WorkingJob, go away... fat man. |
| 03:14.33 | mordy | i'm interested!!! i'm interested!!! i'm interested!!! i'm interested!!! |
| 03:14.37 | enouf | s3a: vfat can do 4G in one partition |
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| 03:17.39 | s3a | o it says vfat so thats y and brb |
| 03:17.51 | mordy | :-/ |
| 03:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, being a spammer really is bad for the brain, aint it? |
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| 03:18.54 | mordy | well, the recurrence of spam obviously means that some people fall for it |
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| 03:21.04 | GhostlyDeath | My network theoretically goes at 100Mbps, but it only goes as fast as 1Mbps, is there a barrier of some kind set in place? |
| 03:21.07 | enouf | you mean the _hideous_amount_of_insiduous_ recurrences means it's free to pee on all others |
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| 03:22.17 | mordy | ghostlydeath, what are you measuring ths speed by? |
| 03:22.23 | enouf | no, you have issues with LAN speed? use ethtool and parse info from all NICs (and Hubs) |
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| 03:23.04 | GhostlyDeath | mordy: gnome-system-monitor |
| 03:23.12 | GhostlyDeath | actually it's reporting in 1.1MiB/s |
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| 03:23.33 | mordy | ghostly, that's merely measuring your current bandwidth |
| 03:23.41 | GhostlyDeath | but that is still a whole lot of Mbps short of even 10 |
| 03:23.44 | mordy | or rather current throughput |
| 03:23.51 | stoned | no |
| 03:23.52 | stoned | it isn't |
| 03:23.52 | enouf | the typical realistic barrier would be called 'overhead' and other things which keeps you from reaching anywhere near 'theoretical' speeds |
| 03:23.59 | stoned | it is exactly 10~ish Mbps |
| 03:24.04 | stoned | learn your math |
| 03:24.16 | toetender | Hello, I created a little tutorial you can use to let Kaffeine use OpenGL to draw the video (you just have to recompile it). I do not know if the way I recompile and install it is good so. Maybe someone can take a look at the steps I do? http://homepage.rub.de/frank.dressler/txt/kaffeine_without_xcb_with_opengl.txt |
| 03:24.21 | s3a | so to install lenny from usb flash drive i need boot.img and the iso of lenny on flash drive and then boot from bios and then just install? |
| 03:25.26 | mordy | s3a, that should work |
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| 03:25.48 | enouf | you need vmlinuz and initrd |
| 03:25.57 | enouf | as well |
| 03:25.59 | s3a | mordy: o so that was very easy |
| 03:26.20 | mordy | well, actually i thihnk you need to zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/your-usb-stick |
| 03:26.38 | mordy | then make sure there's enough room, and then place your iso |
| 03:26.47 | enouf | smacks s3a about the head with a 50lb manual of installation guides |
| 03:27.07 | unop_ | be careful with that command - i'll say :) |
| 03:27.15 | enouf | hehe |
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| 03:27.32 | unop_ | hey enouf - merry xmas :) |
| 03:27.47 | enouf | unop_: happy ho ho ho to you too ;-) |
| 03:28.00 | s3a | mordy: doesnt that command just extract the boot.img.gz to boot.img cuz i did that graphically |
| 03:28.01 | mordy | looks for happy hos |
| 03:28.23 | unop_ | s3a, no, it does more than that |
| 03:28.42 | mordy | it extracts the entire image to the disk, writes a partition table etc. |
| 03:28.43 | unop_ | s3a, it writes the .img to the usb stick |
| 03:29.06 | mordy | actually iirc, the usb disk needs to be partitoned to some weird zip-disk format |
| 03:29.12 | enouf | a GUI zcat? /me shudders |
| 03:29.21 | mordy | enouf, how about a gui dd |
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| 03:29.26 | enouf | ugh |
| 03:29.26 | mordy | kdd |
| 03:29.50 | enouf | mordy: i heard kcd has some uses - go find them |
| 03:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't forget about xless |
| 03:30.04 | unop_ | use-less? |
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| 03:30.13 | mordy | let me see... i hate kde |
| 03:30.22 | enouf | make xconfig? lmao |
| 03:31.08 | mordy | hmm... don't really find anything for kcd, except some debugging utilities, which are probably beyond my current level |
| 03:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets see if there's a kcp |
| 03:31.38 | mordy | d'oh |
| 03:31.45 | enouf | http://kcd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts weeping |
| 03:32.59 | mordy | lol |
| 03:33.15 | enouf | wait .. that's not even what i was thinking of .. i was thinking of something similar to what Alcohol120 does. .. ugh |
| 03:33.23 | mordy | you mean k3b |
| 03:33.27 | enouf | no |
| 03:33.30 | enouf | you weenie |
| 03:33.49 | mordy | ksmirnoff? |
| 03:34.20 | enouf | kbartender? |
| 03:34.28 | mordy | actually i'll get myself kguinness now |
| 03:34.49 | dutchfish | chears |
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| 03:35.55 | mordy | genuine crude oil. From Ireland |
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| 03:36.26 | mordy | but what does alcohol120 do? doesn't it just mount CDs? |
| 03:36.44 | mordy | errr images |
| 03:37.00 | newsense | yeah mount -o loop have fun |
| 03:37.10 | newsense | it burns images too i think |
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| 03:41.13 | mordy | i'm wondering if there's any alternative to nsplugin |
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| 03:44.28 | enouf | aha! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=kiso+like+daemon+tools+alcohol120&btnG=Search |
| 03:44.33 | aleandro | whats a good package for me to test simple CPU benchmarks in etch? |
| 03:44.40 | aleandro | terminal packages would be useful |
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| 03:45.16 | hakr | chicken sandwich |
| 03:45.45 | _adrenaline | Hey guys I am trying to get my nvidia drivers installed and it is dieing at libc does anybody know what that is and how I can get it? |
| 03:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands hakr a chicken sandwich... that'll be $3.20 |
| 03:47.02 | enouf | aleandro: cpuburn perhaps |
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| 03:51.41 | acidfreeze | im trying to get a module to stop loading, i removed it from /lib/modules how is it still loading |
| 03:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | acidfreeze, via initrd |
| 03:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !blacklist |
| 03:52.21 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 03:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | acidfreeze, or actually automatically when needed |
| 03:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 03:53.16 | acidfreeze | i added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, |
| 03:53.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just going to tell him that with this level of information in his question there'll be no answer |
| 03:53.36 | Shadow_Master | slaps himself. |
| 03:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess he figured and left |
| 03:53.48 | Shadow_Master | if I just knew about "installer blacklist" :( |
| 03:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 03:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, it's sometimes good to have the factoids shouted out to the whole channel :) |
| 03:54.40 | acidfreeze | well everywhere i read it said to put it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 03:54.47 | enouf | !ig |
| 03:54.47 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r6 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 03:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, but don't do all of them now, pls |
| 03:55.01 | Shadow_Master | I wouldn't have gone through the endless waits at the network device probing step, and the hell of blacklisting before booting the installed system (which went wrong because was doing > to blacklist.local instead of >>) |
| 03:55.04 | acidfreeze | so is it blacklist.local |
| 03:55.23 | acidfreeze | ok |
| 03:55.40 | acidfreeze | trying now |
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| 03:56.25 | acidfreeze | still not working |
| 03:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | acidfreeze, it can still be loaded via initramfs - /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs also |
| 03:56.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the whole factoid!] |
| 03:56.42 | acidfreeze | k |
| 03:56.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | damnit, why does it say IMPORTANT |
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| 03:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | acidfreeze, and it'll not remove the module, only prevent it from being loaded at bootup |
| 03:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you have to boot to see if it works |
| 03:57.33 | acidfreeze | i know this.. |
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| 03:57.39 | acidfreeze | i have rebooted |
| 03:57.43 | acidfreeze | doesnt work |
| 03:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you said "doesn't work" so fast :) |
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| 03:57.54 | acidfreeze | i rebooted a few min ago |
| 03:58.08 | newsense | did ya remove it from initramfs |
| 03:58.20 | acidfreeze | im trying to read about it now. |
| 03:58.34 | acidfreeze | bot is kinda confusing |
| 03:58.39 | acidfreeze | asking me to explain |
| 03:58.50 | newsense | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 03:59.44 | acidfreeze | ok the bot says it has no clue |
| 03:59.45 | acidfreeze | lol |
| 03:59.57 | newsense | just do what i told ya |
| 03:59.59 | acidfreeze | ./msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs <--- that is what im telling it |
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| 04:00.21 | unixSnob | anyone notice that the gui for iwl3945 (wifi) does not allow a means for configuring a static IP address? |
| 04:00.21 | Shadow_Master | acidfreeze: I think it was a space, not a dash |
| 04:00.30 | unixSnob | Am I stuck with the commandline for that? |
| 04:01.33 | acidfreeze | nonsense: bot is stil not working, trying to google how to remove it from intram |
| 04:01.39 | acidfreeze | initram* |
| 04:01.42 | newsense | i told ya |
| 04:01.45 | newsense | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 04:01.49 | acidfreeze | i didnt see sorry |
| 04:01.55 | Shadow_Master | why does it believe I'm using windows? :P |
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| 04:02.07 | newsense | thatll read your blacklist.local and remake the initramfs |
| 04:02.10 | Shadow_Master | the factoid file is unreachable or something, I guess |
| 04:02.22 | newsense | no its there i just tried it and it works |
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| 04:11.50 | s3a | unop_: when it tells me to do that command; do i just cd to flash drive (where boot.img.gz is located) and then do that command)? bcuz that isnt working (like i dont see the extracted file) |
| 04:12.31 | stoned | by now you could have been done installing debian. |
| 04:12.40 | newsense | right |
| 04:12.42 | newsense | haha |
| 04:12.50 | Crowler | anyone installed debian from iso image on hdd? |
| 04:12.51 | stoned | !tell s3a -about debian.exe |
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| 04:13.20 | stoned | !tell Crowler -about anyone |
| 04:13.25 | newsense | back to the .exe, ahah |
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| 04:14.21 | Crowler | this _is_ the question, stoned |
| 04:14.34 | stoned | Crowler, no. |
| 04:14.38 | s3a | stoned: if i use the debian exe is it installing debian INSIDE windows like wubi for ubuntu? because that is far from what I want (or is it just installing debian independently by using windows?) |
| 04:15.07 | stoned | Crowler, out of the hundreds of thousands of people who use debian no one has ever done it. We created the install method and wrote the documentation for it but no, noone has used it yet. |
| 04:15.11 | stoned | Crowler, anything else? |
| 04:15.28 | Crowler | yes |
| 04:16.24 | unixSnob | is it just the iwl3945 driver that's feature poor? anyone using a different wifi driver able to set the IP address? |
| 04:16.39 | newsense | yes |
| 04:16.40 | stoned | s3a, I've asked you to pay attention more than once... if you don't read you won't learn nothing. Look at what dpkg told you. |
| 04:16.46 | newsense | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:16.53 | Crowler | i am doing it now (after some hacking), and want to know, when i will be able to do it right from the box |
| 04:17.09 | unixSnob | ty newsense |
| 04:17.14 | newsense | no problem |
| 04:17.24 | s3a | stoned: i did but i need to no like for example, can i remove windows vista after that exe is done what it's doing |
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| 04:17.31 | newsense | wpasupplicant is what i use to associate and authenticate btw |
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| 04:17.42 | newsense | supports roaming too which is nice |
| 04:17.51 | newsense | and once setup requires no user interaction |
| 04:17.52 | s3a | stoned: or is it like ubuntu's wubi thing that has linux depending on windows? |
| 04:18.00 | stoned | s3a, did you go to the link dpkg told you? did you bother to look up the website? did you bother to lookup the documentation for debian.exe? |
| 04:18.36 | stoned | s3a, I am not going to sit here and retype the documentation for you... |
| 04:19.23 | s3a | ya i downloaded the .exe b4 and lol i missed the how does it work and more details about it links on the bottom |
| 04:19.35 | unixSnob | newsense: i actually have wpasupplicant installed. But what's not clear is how I would configure a static IP for one wifi hotspot, and not another |
| 04:19.53 | Crowler | stoned, dont die, say smth which will chear me up |
| 04:20.10 | unixSnob | newsense: it appears that whatever I configure the nic for, it's for all connections |
| 04:20.15 | newsense | unixSnob, do you have a roaming profile setup ? |
| 04:20.28 | stoned | Crowler, you're so pretty, oh so pretty... |
| 04:20.40 | newsense | no you need to have a wpasupplicant.conf also with the networks you want to connect to |
| 04:20.46 | unixSnob | newsense: not sure.. this is the first i've heard the term |
| 04:20.59 | unixSnob | newsense: thanks.. i'll check it out |
| 04:21.02 | newsense | than virtual devices for each network inn interfaces which you can specify dhcp or manual |
| 04:21.09 | Crowler | i mean, about iso on hdd, stoned. i know i am pretty |
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| 04:21.18 | newsense | for the actual wlan0 or whatever interface you would use manual |
| 04:21.31 | s3a | stoned: can i install 64 bit lenny thru 32 bit vista? |
| 04:21.32 | newsense | than choose which for each virtual device or whatever |
| 04:21.41 | newsense | id be happy to post mine if youd like to se |
| 04:22.20 | unixSnob | yeah, that would help |
| 04:22.29 | newsense | gimme a sec |
| 04:23.09 | unixSnob | the sample in /var/lib/dpkg/info/wpasupplicant.conffiles isn't too useful |
| 04:23.14 | newsense | http://paste.debian.net/24574 |
| 04:23.17 | unixSnob | ty |
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| 04:24.14 | newsense | http://paste.debian.net/24575 |
| 04:24.44 | newsense | thats my interfaces there but im not using static on any network but if i was it would be manual for the virtual device |
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| 04:25.03 | newsense | hope that helps, i had to read up for an hr or 2 to make sense of it myself |
| 04:26.05 | unixSnob | wow. hopefully I can find a good document out there, now that you've given me a lead |
| 04:26.55 | newsense | i actuall just read the /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/* and mans |
| 04:27.20 | newsense | or just substitute my settings for your own |
| 04:27.27 | dini | lllllllll |
| 04:27.29 | newsense | i can assure it works here |
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| 04:28.32 | unixSnob | cool |
| 04:28.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Crowler, you're so pretty when you're putting an iso onto hdd... |
| 04:29.27 | newsense | haha |
| 04:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dini was the one with this overly strong reaction to sugar, right? |
| 04:29.41 | Crowler | so looooooong... -_- |
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| 04:52.16 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 04:52.17 | dpkg | [qotd202] <Tchinkatchuk_> jelly: norc : thanks for all your help. I hope never speak to you again ^^. Cheers and have a good night |
| 04:52.36 | unixSnob | newsense: i've already configured some APs using the GUI, but there was no wpa_supplicant.conf file holding that configuration. |
| 04:52.38 | liable | heh |
| 04:52.53 | unixSnob | newsense: will my new config file override that? |
| 04:53.06 | newsense | i dunno dont configure using gui sorry |
| 04:53.26 | newsense | gui probobly saves to its own file |
| 04:53.28 | newsense | read the man for it |
| 04:53.45 | newsense | unixSnob, got it working though ? |
| 04:54.31 | unixSnob | newsense: i'm just reading the docs |
| 04:55.19 | newsense | hope it works |
| 04:55.35 | newsense | i mean hope ya get it working quickly |
| 04:55.44 | unixSnob | newsense: although wpasupplicant is installed, it's not running. So I'm wondering if I start running it, will it interfere w/ the current processes |
| 04:56.04 | newsense | might |
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| 04:56.43 | liable | what are you doing? |
| 04:56.56 | unixSnob | i see that debian did not provide an /etc/init.d script for wpasupplicant |
| 04:57.09 | liable | it dropped that some time back |
| 04:57.10 | newsense | yeah it did |
| 04:57.17 | newsense | oh did it |
| 04:57.28 | pflops | in ubuntu, network manager handles all that |
| 04:57.33 | unixSnob | liable: ultimately I'm trying to figure out how to specify the IP address on a wifi network |
| 04:57.44 | Tekno | is there a way to fiddle with modeline ? like powerstrip in windows suxpee |
| 04:57.52 | liable | unixSnob: through conf files or with NM? |
| 04:58.00 | Tekno | i need to get workin 848x480 |
| 04:58.02 | newsense | unixSnob, i told ya how to do it |
| 04:58.17 | newsense | oh well i told ya how to do it through confs |
| 04:58.26 | newsense | maybe gui is better for you |
| 04:58.28 | unixSnob | liable: well i would like to do it with NM, but it doesn't give the option, so I'm trying newsense suggestion |
| 04:59.05 | unixSnob | liable: i'm surprized how messy this is |
| 04:59.12 | newsense | unixnoob did you create a wpa_supplicant.conf already ? |
| 04:59.18 | Tekno | is there a way to fiddle with modeline ? like powerstrip in windows suxpee |
| 04:59.29 | liable | unixSnob: have a read of this page http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Wifi |
| 04:59.52 | unixSnob | newsense: yeah, i created it, but I have to fiddle with the right config options, and then figure out how to run wpasupplicant w/out causing interference |
| 04:59.57 | unixSnob | thanks liable |
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| 05:00.21 | newsense | good link there liable |
| 05:00.34 | newsense | unixSnob, youre almost there from the sounds of it |
| 05:01.27 | unixSnob | newsense: did you have to write your own /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant script? |
| 05:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | !modeline |
| 05:01.40 | dpkg | i guess modeline is You can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or use cvt or gtf, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
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| 05:01.46 | newsense | no |
| 05:02.07 | newsense | it was created at install time |
| 05:02.14 | newsense | wpa-ifdown |
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| 05:02.27 | newsense | err wpa-ifupdown |
| 05:02.27 | liable | you dont need an init script |
| 05:02.49 | liable | it gets started from interfaces file now |
| 05:02.49 | Tekno | dpkg: its very difficult to find working combination.... |
| 05:02.50 | dpkg | Tekno: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 05:02.55 | newsense | liable, why not ? |
| 05:03.11 | unixSnob | newsense: i saw that script.. didn't realize that was it |
| 05:03.17 | liable | newsense: its hooked into interfaces file |
| 05:03.29 | newsense | oh yeah |
| 05:03.38 | newsense | duh |
| 05:03.49 | liable | Tekno: dpkg is a bot |
| 05:03.55 | Tekno | ah lol |
| 05:03.57 | Tekno | :D |
| 05:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, now you spoiled it |
| 05:04.26 | liable | CutMeOwnThroat: :P |
| 05:04.27 | newsense | wtf was i thinking |
| 05:05.19 | Shadow_Master | so, ath_pci works but dhclient3 doesn't get any DHCPOFFERs :( |
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| 05:05.42 | liable | is it actually associated? |
| 05:05.54 | Shadow_Master | according to iwevents... not sure |
| 05:06.05 | liable | iwconfig will tell you |
| 05:06.08 | Shadow_Master | am I supposed to get something like Association Response IEs:010482848B9632080C1218243048606C with any driver? |
| 05:06.22 | newsense | liable, why is it that the package adds an init script than ? |
| 05:06.36 | Shadow_Master | or just the New AP/Cell Address message... |
| 05:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tekno, that's what all the tools like videogen are for... and why they are in that factoid |
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| 05:07.10 | Tekno | videogen does not help |
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| 05:07.30 | Tekno | because i dont know maximum dot clock rate et |
| 05:07.32 | Tekno | etc |
| 05:07.36 | liable | newsense: I didn't even know that script was in their, but trust me, you start wpasupp with the correct lines in interfaces file |
| 05:07.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 05:07.37 | Tekno | i have to find them |
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| 05:08.02 | liable | newsense: read its documentation |
| 05:08.11 | Tekno | creating modelien isnt problem |
| 05:08.17 | Tekno | but which values |
| 05:08.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | giyf |
| 05:08.32 | liable | hwinfo? |
| 05:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, for a monitor? |
| 05:08.45 | liable | yeah |
| 05:08.50 | liable | !hwinfo |
| 05:08.50 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 05:09.03 | newsense | ahh script is for shutting it down |
| 05:09.12 | newsense | not for starting the daemon |
| 05:09.14 | Tekno | but i need modeline for television |
| 05:09.30 | newsense | thats right i knew that |
| 05:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and we were supposed to guess that? |
| 05:10.10 | pflops | still using vesa |
| 05:10.23 | Shadow_Master | how can I get the current BPP of an X server from antwhere that is not the server log? |
| 05:10.45 | Shadow_Master | 'cause the log says it is using 24bpp but I see 16bpp-ish dithering |
| 05:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, anyways hwinfo --monitor doesn't do a lot for me - just creates a short flicker, then exits without output ... hwinfo --framebuffer does create output, though |
| 05:11.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (perhaps not surprisingly so) |
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| 05:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, there is no reason why a tv should not be detected if it's connected in a similar way... |
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| 05:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and else, as I said... |
| 05:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !giyf |
| 05:12.53 | dpkg | from memory, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 05:14.42 | Tekno | CutMeOwnThroat: hwindo does not give enough information for creating modeline |
| 05:15.59 | Tekno | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.59 | Tekno | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.59 | Tekno | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.13 | Tekno | how is that suppose to help me ? |
| 05:16.32 | Decepticon | anyone know why editing /etc/syslog.conf like this http://decepticon.rlogin.org/~decepticon/paste/1230440797 does not give seperate log files for the proceses ppd and pptpd, but instead logs to main /var/log/syslog ... ive restarted sysklogd, and rebooted. but its still doing that... WHY |
| 05:16.39 | Tekno | created modeline with those min/max vlues but doesnt work |
| 05:16.50 | Tekno | i get flickering screen |
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| 05:17.55 | Shadow_Master | back to the issue at hand, iwconfig effectively says it is associated to an AP |
| 05:18.12 | Shadow_Master | during the wole span of the dhclient run. |
| 05:18.58 | Shadow_Master | in this other laptop using ndiswrapper, I'd solve it by modprob'ing -r and back ndiswrapper (risking a kernel panic) |
| 05:19.13 | Shadow_Master | but doing that in the new one with ath_pci doesn't solve the problem |
| 05:19.13 | acidfreeze | nonsense: thankyou |
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| 05:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, you can use static IP/router information instead of dhclient.... if dhclient is the problem |
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| 05:21.21 | mhymn | acidfreeze: well, you know, newsense! |
| 05:21.30 | Shadow_Master | um, I haven't found any *good* howto on using iwconfig and friends yet. |
| 05:21.39 | acidfreeze | newsense * |
| 05:21.47 | acidfreeze | lol |
| 05:22.07 | Shadow_Master | I guess I'll fiddle arround with /etc/network/interfaces agai . |
| 05:23.17 | newsense | ? |
| 05:23.22 | newsense | sorry was out to break |
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| 05:23.40 | acidfreeze | i was just saying thanks :] |
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| 05:23.46 | acidfreeze | nonsense :] j/p |
| 05:23.53 | newsense | oh sorry, no problem |
| 05:23.58 | newsense | got it all setup now ? |
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| 05:24.24 | acidfreeze | yea, its a netra x1 |
| 05:24.41 | acidfreeze | old school :] |
| 05:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, ifconfig ethX 192.168.1.90 ; route add default 192.168.1.1 |
| 05:24.43 | newsense | glad to hear it |
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| 05:26.26 | newsense | i might as well just change my nick to nonsense, people mistype my nick constantly, hahaha |
| 05:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about newspeak |
| 05:26.50 | Shadow_Master | tab-completion isn't estimated as it should be |
| 05:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed... I rely on it quite a bit on a shell |
| 05:27.33 | newsense | or gnewsense i get that a lot too |
| 05:27.39 | newsense | err gnusense |
| 05:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what a pity you can't tab-complete your life |
| 05:27.54 | newsense | i know thats a great idea |
| 05:27.54 | n3kl | I have addeded auth sufficient pam_encfs.so to my common-auth, adding it as the first rule to the file. If it is sufficient, everything should be good if it succeeds. When I su, I have to type the password twice. Why? |
| 05:29.45 | n3kl | I also have to type the password twice when logging in |
| 05:31.38 | pflops | CutMeOwnThroat: if you needed to.. no one would write books about you |
| 05:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but do you think I get royalties? not... a... penny |
| 05:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | saussageinnabun, though? |
| 05:33.59 | n3kl | not hal, not dbus ....? |
| 05:34.07 | n3kl | whats it called? |
| 05:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | food? |
| 05:34.49 | n3kl | udev! |
| 05:34.52 | n3kl | nvm |
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| 05:36.38 | Shadow_Master | I give up... |
| 05:37.25 | Shadow_Master | what use is a double-core AMD64 if I can't use Linux with Iternet on it? :( |
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| 05:37.32 | acidfreeze | newsense: if i was to set this box to run a remote x server, would sparc 500 mhz be enough? |
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| 05:37.47 | Shadow_Master | or . I'll see if I can build my own dhclient. |
| 05:37.49 | acidfreeze | doesnt even have video card, so why i am wondering about resources |
| 05:37.56 | toetender | Shadow_Master, you give work to Indonesians producing the CPU |
| 05:38.07 | Shadow_Master | wow. |
| 05:39.20 | toetender | why doesnt your Internet work, Shadow_Master? |
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| 05:39.49 | Shadow_Master | the dhclient waits an offer forever |
| 05:40.09 | Shadow_Master | it does not happen with the same AP, with the same distribution, with different drivers and cards, with a laptop that has a broken motherboard |
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| 05:40.19 | n3kl | What is the best way to auto mount a usb disk? |
| 05:40.23 | Shadow_Master | (broken = crashes on reboot) |
| 05:40.27 | n3kl | when it inserted, that is? |
| 05:40.39 | acidfreeze | n3kl: in xorgZ? |
| 05:40.43 | acidfreeze | xorg? |
| 05:40.49 | Shadow_Master | X.org = xorg |
| 05:40.59 | Shadow_Master | your graphical server. |
| 05:41.02 | n3kl | should be able to do it regardless, need no X |
| 05:41.04 | amitz | I got GPG error again after apt-get update. Reading Release, I wonder if it is a periodic problem cause by changes in Release file? |
| 05:41.06 | mordy | Xorgz is k00l0rz |
| 05:41.13 | pflops | xserver |
| 05:41.15 | amitz | that is, periodic changes in release file? |
| 05:41.22 | toetender | Shadow_Master, have you sniffed the network traffic to see if all data flows as needed? |
| 05:41.30 | acidfreeze | edit your fstab |
| 05:41.32 | acidfreeze | hehe |
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| 05:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordy, colors? |
| 05:41.40 | pflops | !gpg |
| 05:41.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 05:41.53 | mordy | cutmeownthroat, just a play on 1337 jargon |
| 05:42.14 | Shadow_Master | toetender: um, how'd I do that? |
| 05:42.52 | newsense | heh cool suspend to disk with xchat open and im right back chatting seconds after |
| 05:42.55 | newsense | pretty cool |
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| 05:43.04 | toetender | Shadow_Master, I am not sure if you can do it with wlan cards. With normal network card you can do it with "wireshark" for example. |
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| 05:45.10 | amitz | I know the concept of GPG. My question is why the periodic "invalid signature"? |
| 05:45.31 | Shadow_Master | wireshark-common: 11.9 MB :P sounds like fun |
| 05:46.01 | toetender | hehe |
| 05:46.15 | toetender | Do you know how a connection for WLAN is created? |
| 05:46.33 | Shadow_Master | nope . I am just a client |
| 05:46.59 | mordy | well, even cooler is that i get to resume irssi on a different computer via screen and ssh |
| 05:47.06 | Shadow_Master | I don't know the implementation details... and network-manager just makes things so easy... usually. |
| 05:48.29 | Shadow_Master | um, there's a newwer dhcp toolset upstream. |
| 05:48.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, you are talking about the package signatures that apt-get checks? |
| 05:50.24 | toetender | Shadow_Master, you can try to make it work without dhcp just to test if network could work. |
| 05:50.47 | Shadow_Master | I'll try that tomorrow with sunlight :) |
| 05:51.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | toetender, that's what I told him half an hour ago... |
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| 05:51.08 | md22 | hello |
| 05:51.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | WITH the commands on how to do it |
| 05:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
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| 05:51.29 | toetender | it seems too easy if you already know how a network works.. but if he doesnt know it, it is a very hard task |
| 05:51.36 | Shadow_Master | yeah, tried the ifconfig method but it didn't work out of the box. |
| 05:51.48 | toetender | simple unknown subtleties can make easy things difficult |
| 05:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... sex? |
| 05:52.28 | mordy | gah, i'm guessing that instead of doing ifconfig and risk messing up some syntax, just edit the interfaces file |
| 05:52.39 | mordy | lol |
| 05:52.44 | amitz | cutme: I think yeah. I'm testing possibility of stale apt-cacher-ng Release file. There seems to be a bug filed in the past: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376817 |
| 05:53.03 | Lichte | I just installed testing and added the experimental repo; when trying to install kde4, there are dependencies that aptitude can't resolve; is there an easy way past this ??? |
| 05:53.31 | dmoerner | Lichte, you need unstable as well |
| 05:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, if you add a new repository or e.g. switch from etch to lenny, you'd of course need a new key |
| 05:53.44 | Lichte | dmoerner: ah ha! |
| 05:53.55 | dmoerner | make sure you pin it lower than testing though |
| 05:54.16 | Lichte | dmoerner: oh good, I get to learn a new apt technique |
| 05:54.57 | Lichte | there are docs about this pinning that you speak of ? I'll search for em |
| 05:55.20 | amitz | cut: shit, more complicated bug when not using apt-caccer-ng: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 05:55.21 | amitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.49 | Lichte | dmoerner: is there a repo somewhere with kde 4.2 in it, BTW ? |
| 05:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | my nick autocompletes with tab just as well as any other nick, btw :) |
| 05:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lichte, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 05:56.12 | toetender | I run lshal -m and then I plugin the network card but there is no reaction. In Fedora there was a reaction though. |
| 05:56.17 | Lichte | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 05:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lichte, I wonder, though, if you should use experimental if you don't know all this stuff... :) |
| 05:56.40 | Shadow_Master | :) |
| 05:56.43 | Lichte | CutMeOwnThroat: how else can I learn ?? |
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| 05:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lichte, the less-hard way? :) |
| 05:57.14 | Lichte | CutMeOwnThroat: there's a less hard way to get kde4 ? |
| 05:57.22 | Shadow_Master | there isn't KDE4 in backports.org? |
| 05:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | the main thing you learn over the years, I feel, is to steer clear of trouble if you can help it :) |
| 05:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, probably not... there'll be a reason it's in experimental |
| 05:58.00 | Shadow_Master | http://kde4.debian.net/ : o |
| 05:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !experimental |
| 05:58.04 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 05:58.08 | Lichte | CutMeOwnThroat: this isn't a production box |
| 05:58.22 | Supaplex | !kde4 |
| 05:58.23 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ <Experimental> packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 05:58.32 | fredl | hi folks, I'm running testing on a combined server/htpc. I don't use many applications on the htpc part as the fonts are nearly unreadable on my 42" 1080p tv. |
| 05:58.44 | s3a | can someone please help me with usb flash lenny installer? (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=197557#197557) |
| 05:58.45 | Supaplex | Lichte: that's fine. we can't stop you, but you are duly warned. |
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| 05:59.16 | amitz | cut: what is the location of debian lenny key? |
| 05:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lichte, yeah... I'm not saying you shouldn't... if that's what you want :) |
| 05:59.31 | dmoerner | Lichte, http://kde42.debian.net/ but you will have no success with this using lenny |
| 05:59.32 | fredl | are there any obvious things I might want to check first before diving into figuring out why the fonts show up so small? |
| 05:59.39 | Lichte | Supaplex: considering what I had to do to get a kernel to boot on a 386sx with 4meg of ram in '92, I think I'll be OK |
| 06:00.30 | Shadow_Master | fredl: your desktop evironment's config? |
| 06:00.34 | Lichte | dmoerner: thanks for the info |
| 06:00.35 | Shadow_Master | forced DPI, etc. |
| 06:00.47 | fredl | in the GNOME preferences I've set all font sizes to 18 dpi already. my desktop environment is GNOME |
| 06:00.54 | Supaplex | Lichte: expert or not, experimental may knowningly cripple something. I don't know why kde4 is there. good luck =) |
| 06:01.09 | Lichte | Supaplex: thanks :) |
| 06:01.21 | Shadow_Master | I know I haven't used many display devices, but 18 dpi sounds really weird |
| 06:01.32 | fredl | the 18dpi fonts make some things readable but not all. I'm currently typing in xchat with my face almost on top of my screen and can still barely read it. |
| 06:02.11 | Shadow_Master | you probably mean font point-size. |
| 06:02.28 | fredl | you're correct, sorry. |
| 06:02.28 | Shadow_Master | i.e. 18pt. I was talking about the DPI |
| 06:02.44 | Shadow_Master | that can be set in GNOME preferences as well. |
| 06:03.22 | fredl | where do I do that? |
| 06:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, hm, looks like debian-archive-keyring package? and that's just updated? |
| 06:03.58 | Shadow_Master | fredl: in the same place you set the font sizes and antialiasing options |
| 06:04.16 | Lichte | thanks for all the info guys....I'm off to read and install |
| 06:04.20 | Shadow_Master | I don't remember exactly where, and a kdelibs update nuked my GNOME installation |
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| 06:04.33 | fredl | oh, fonts rendering details, says 52 dots per inch |
| 06:04.46 | Shadow_Master | the generic desktop monitor's has 96 dpi |
| 06:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, as I said... my nick autocompletes with tab just as well as any other nick, btw :) |
| 06:05.08 | Shadow_Master | the "correct" setting varies from monitor to monitor (or from eye to eye) |
| 06:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, there's only a factoid "etch key"... which suggests apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 06:06.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, apt-key update re-adds and shows you the keys you have/use |
| 06:07.07 | fredl | hmmm, I remember in the past having changed something in the xorg.conf because the real size of the monitor wasn't properly detected. |
| 06:07.49 | fredl | yeah, 'DisplaySize' |
| 06:08.14 | fredl | xorg.conf *now* has 'DisplaySize 698 391' in it. |
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| 06:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, these are the key that apt-key list gives me: http://pastebin.com/f7f2c8b8c |
| 06:08.53 | Elite | I have a web server running debian etch what will happen if I accidnetally run: apt-get install `cat ./docs/Debian/debian-packages-sarge` |
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| 06:09.05 | Shadow_Master | fredl: and is that the correct size? |
| 06:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | will happen? |
| 06:09.28 | fredl | so at installation time of this system, those values would have been way off. Could it be that all sorts of font sizes/dpi settings were based on those incorrect settings from the past and haven't automatically changed after I changed DisplaySize? |
| 06:09.38 | Elite | CutMeOwnThroat, what that directed at me? |
| 06:09.39 | Shadow_Master | no. |
| 06:09.44 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: let me try |
| 06:09.50 | Shadow_Master | fredl: no, font rendering is done at runtime |
| 06:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, kind of :) |
| 06:09.51 | fredl | Shadow_Master, indeed, this DisplaySize is now correct. |
| 06:10.13 | Shadow_Master | you may be better forcing a correct DPI (assuming you didn't mess up with the DisplaSize units) |
| 06:10.21 | Elite | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess I mean what is happening, like how do I remove it so I can install the ones for etch? |
| 06:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, and the answer is a clear, straight-forward "depends" |
| 06:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, remove? |
| 06:10.43 | toetender | I got my network card to work using madwifi driver. :) |
| 06:10.45 | Shadow_Master | DisplaySize is measured in milimeters |
| 06:11.17 | Elite | CutMeOwnThroat, well revert the changes made |
| 06:11.56 | Shadow_Master | there is a way to enforce a per-server DPI but I think it's driver-specific. I'd have to go back to my opensuse laptop which wad an xorg.conf with such a workaround. |
| 06:12.06 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: tried all, no new key added/updated. but as expected, the problem is solved by it's own after a period of time.. |
| 06:12.14 | Shadow_Master | the only problem: that laptop is what I'm using right now with lenny without any needs for workarounds : p |
| 06:12.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, perhaps you should give a bit of context? There is normally no "debian-packages-<dist>" on system |
| 06:12.18 | fredl | ok, so 698 is the width, or 698mm, one inch would be 25.4mm so my screen would be 27.48" wide |
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| 06:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, I doubt that :) |
| 06:12.40 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it's solved before I even tried your instructions :-) |
| 06:12.42 | fredl | that seems kind of off with a 42" screen doesn't it? |
| 06:12.47 | md22 | for someone interested in software development (web and system programming) and also wants to learn about linux does it matter what linux distro they use ? |
| 06:13.02 | Shadow_Master | fredl: you didn't refer to your monitor's manual? |
| 06:13.07 | Elite | CutMeOwnThroat, http://www.isp-control.net/documentation/start/upgrade/rc read that and you will see my situation |
| 06:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, also you didn't say if you have sarge installed, what your sources.list looks like, what the docs/Debian/debian-packages-sarge file looks like |
| 06:13.15 | fredl | either way, I got the 698/391 from the monitor's specs |
| 06:13.16 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: debian-archive-keyring of lenny already exist and already the latest update. |
| 06:13.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | amitz, that was just my good influence! |
| 06:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !miracleheal amitz |
| 06:13.35 | fredl | Shadow_Master, I did, well the electronic variant :) |
| 06:13.35 | dpkg | stretches out his hands over amitz in a gesture of blessing, silently chanting "heal, heal". And the miracle happens: before, amitz was blind and deaf, now he walks again! |
| 06:13.41 | Shadow_Master | the X inch measure that is used by the marketing people seems to be calculated in avery different manner |
| 06:13.41 | amitz | CutMeOwnThroat: Damn, I wish I have half of your charisma :-) |
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| 06:14.01 | Shadow_Master | IIRC it was something like diagonal length |
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| 06:14.22 | efffex | hi there, i was wondering if anyone could give me a hand.. |
| 06:14.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, Error 500!, I see |
| 06:14.37 | Supaplex | claps for efffex |
| 06:15.05 | Elite | CutMeOwnThroat, http://www.isp-control.net/documentation/start/upgrade/rc |
| 06:15.08 | Elite | try just that |
| 06:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( Cut-Me-Own-Hand-Off) |
| 06:15.38 | Elite | sorry nvm |
| 06:15.54 | Elite | SOB! how do I simply undo the command I ran!? |
| 06:16.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, you can't |
| 06:16.07 | Elite | Why not? |
| 06:16.10 | efffex | im trying to follow this: http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID?highlight=(raid) to cread a raid 0 |
| 06:16.40 | fredl | Shadow_Master, reading some stuff on NVIDIA drivers on the mythtv page right now, lemme check if I have some settings right... |
| 06:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you don't know what it installed and you might not have packages around that were possibly upgraded - but with the information you gave, even that is guessing |
| 06:16.57 | Elite | Shit |
| 06:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, are you trying to update to Etch? |
| 06:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | upgrade* |
| 06:17.24 | Elite | yes |
| 06:17.25 | ghuy | hi , i got a problem, my laptop stop getting internet conecction, my settings are ip:192.168.1.167 gateaway:192.168.1.254, netmask:255.255.255.0 if i ping localhost, 127.0.0.1 or 192.168.1.167 i ghet good response, but if i ping my gateaway i get "icpm open socket: Operation not permmited" same with yahoo or any external host, this computer its a desktop and its on internet using same settings, my laptop its not, any suggestions? |
| 06:17.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, so what's the real problem with that? |
| 06:17.42 | Elite | That is for sarge not etc |
| 06:18.13 | Elite | etch* |
| 06:18.17 | fredl | brb, restarting X |
| 06:18.44 | Shadow_Master | running irssi on screen is much hbetter;) |
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| 06:19.22 | ghuy | ...or its any way i can resset my gateaway, ipforward, firewall etc to the default, without reinstalling ubuntu again? |
| 06:19.24 | fredl | Hmm adding an 'Option "DPI" "100x100" didn't make a damn difference. |
| 06:19.37 | Shadow_Master | "ubuntu" ? |
| 06:19.49 | ghuy | srruy debianheh |
| 06:19.49 | Supaplex | suxors :P |
| 06:19.59 | ghuy | srry i mean debian lol |
| 06:20.13 | ghuy | am in etch |
| 06:20.47 | Supaplex | ghuy: are you using iptables? |
| 06:20.49 | Shadow_Master | fredl: because GNOME is still overriding it with something elese |
| 06:21.04 | Elite | CutMeOwnThroat, http://pastebin.com/m4f81f967 |
| 06:21.15 | Supaplex | ghuy: run iptables-save to see all the rules. |
| 06:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | laptop, that wouldn't be an eeepc? |
| 06:21.41 | Shadow_Master | (fontconfig black magic...) |
| 06:22.09 | fredl | Shadow_Master, I think you're right there. Is there a way to make GNOME use the X values? |
| 06:22.13 | ghuy | Supaplexno ...but itops working went i was installing qt |
| 06:22.37 | fredl | Shadow_Master, you happen to remember this command to make X spit out all that it knows, like the DisplaySize, DPI, etc.? |
| 06:22.51 | Supaplex | I don't see how qt has anything to do with your networking issue |
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| 06:23.48 | Shadow_Master | xdpyinfo |
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| 06:24.07 | ghuy | Supaplex iptables-save looks ok, but dont hurt to set them to default or erased, but how? |
| 06:24.28 | fredl | screen #0: |
| 06:24.28 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.28 | fredl | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elite, well, I have no idea what you really did :) You might want to go to etch anyways, because support for sarge has been stopped - else, I'd just suggest you search for the packages for the missing files and install them - also, for me (who's not using apache2) the modules are in /usr/lib/apache/1.3/ - perhaps you just messed up your config |
| 06:24.47 | Shadow_Master | fredl: yeah, but that's the X server dpi. |
| 06:24.57 | fredl | that size is wrong now after I put the "option "DPI" "100x100" in the xorg.conf |
| 06:25.18 | fredl | seems it overrides the DisplaySize, pretty much like the mythtv page says. |
| 06:25.20 | ghuy | Supaplex iptables-restore? |
| 06:25.27 | Supaplex | ghuy: if it's 0 lines, then you permit eveything (good). otherwise, make sure all the lines say ACCEPT for the chain default policy. - securing the box is a topic for another day. |
| 06:25.42 | Shadow_Master | fredl: but do your fonts look right if you set GNOME's dpi setting to 100? |
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| 06:26.14 | Shadow_Master | I don't remember if there was a way to automatically have GNOME sync/not-override the server's DPI with the applications DPI |
| 06:26.14 | fredl | not nearly |
| 06:26.21 | Supaplex | ghuy: iptables-restore is for reading output you used iptables-save on earlier. you can run iptables-save, but it will not save it anywhere. it doesn't change the rules, it just displays them. |
| 06:26.33 | fredl | brb |
| 06:26.40 | ghuy | Supaplex i want to touch that file, erase everyting ...where is the file call for iptables? |
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| 06:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghuy, there is no file with firewall rules... don't mess with it, just check the things Supaplex told you |
| 06:27.31 | ghuy | Supaplex i want no rules, where i can find the config file to iptables? |
| 06:27.42 | ghuy | and erased |
| 06:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 06:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't listen |
| 06:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | we don't listen |
| 06:28.14 | fredl | okay, now xdpyinfo has the displaysize right again.... but according to X the screen is now 52x52 DPI |
| 06:28.26 | Shadow_Master | does a modprobe FooBar;reboot make any sense to perform? |
| 06:28.35 | Supaplex | ghuy: I just told you there is none. |
| 06:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, only if FooBar==acpi :) |
| 06:29.26 | fredl | Shadow_Master, it looks like X messes up somehow. Well lemme calculate if 52x52 DPI is correct from the math... |
| 06:29.29 | ghuy | Supaplex iptables-save shows a bunch of rules, i want to erase that and start fresh, how? |
| 06:29.30 | Tekno | seems impossible to get correct 848x480 for tv |
| 06:29.32 | Tekno | :e |
| 06:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... reboot. I take it back, then :) |
| 06:29.48 | Supaplex | ghuy: save it to a file, then reload it with iptables-restore |
| 06:29.55 | Shadow_Master | I was reading an Ubuntu-based guide regarding my wifi problem, and that sudo modprobe ath_pci \n sudo reboot just called upon my attention :p |
| 06:30.14 | ghuy | Supaplexwhereis that file located? |
| 06:30.27 | Supaplex | ghuy: edit out the -A rules, and .... "A FILE" one you decide |
| 06:30.28 | Shadow_Master | fredl: using etch or lenny? |
| 06:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadow_Master, heh :) yeah, that sounds pretty useless |
| 06:30.41 | fredl | testing. is that etch or lenny? |
| 06:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | fredl, lenny |
| 06:30.53 | Shadow_Master | right now it's lenny. |
| 06:30.53 | Tekno | etch is stable |
| 06:31.20 | Supaplex | ghuy: maybe iptables-restore < /dev/null -- haven't tried this before. |
| 06:31.28 | Shadow_Master | fredl: make sure you have the latest xorg drivers too, but I guess that goes without saying. |
| 06:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghuy, iptables-save > somefile ; nano somefile; iptables-restore <somefile |
| 06:31.51 | fredl | well I'm up-to-date with apt-get if that's what you mean. |
| 06:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, mmm... would that work? |
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| 06:32.27 | Shadow_Master | ah well, I have seen X.org versions behave in ... "interesting" manners in different distributions of GNU/Linux using the same (roughly) drivers et al |
| 06:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, nope, doesn't |
| 06:32.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least looks like for the fail2ban rulse I got |
| 06:33.07 | fredl | okay, 938mm = 36.92". 1920x1080 resolution means in the width near exact 52 DPI |
| 06:33.27 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: darn. :) I use -m recent anyway. |
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| 06:34.20 | Shadow_Master | my highest res display uses 1280x1024 @ 96 dpi. |
| 06:34.22 | fredl | 528 mm = 20.8", so in height we have 1080/20.8 ~ 52DPI |
| 06:34.41 | fredl | so the 52x52DPI appears to be correct. |
| 06:34.54 | fredl | Shadow_Master, keep in mind it's a 42" screen :) |
| 06:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, was a nice idea, though - heh, I recommend iptables-restore < /dev/zero for some fun |
| 06:35.03 | fredl | brb, need a smoke. |
| 06:35.15 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
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| 06:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or how about iptables-restore /dev/urandom |
| 06:38.28 | Shadow_Master | cat /dev/zero > /dev/null is a nice way to "get hot" :P |
| 06:38.29 | amitz | my debian installer can't access my apt-cacher-ng. debian archive mirror hostname: ipaddressofaptcacher:3142 . debian archive mirror directory: /debian |
| 06:38.33 | Supaplex | CutMeOwnThroat: it's fun to /load /dev/urandom in bitchx, irssi, etc. |
| 06:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's not kernelspace |
| 06:39.21 | fredl | Shadow_Master, given that 52DPI is correct. Does an 18 point fontsize mean that the characters are 18x18 pixels? |
| 06:39.26 | amitz | ping-ing from ipaddressofaptcacher is ok. download packages for debianinstaller using normal listed mirror is possible. |
| 06:39.28 | Shadow_Master | no. |
| 06:39.38 | Shadow_Master | fren^ |
| 06:39.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well.. nite |
| 06:39.56 | Shadow_Master | fredl: I meant. No. |
| 06:40.04 | Supaplex | but shred /proc/kcore is fun! |
| 06:40.19 | Shadow_Master | fredl: but I don't know the exact calculation and what else is in the list of variables |
| 06:40.27 | fredl | Hmmm. ok.. |
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| 06:40.36 | Shadow_Master | superjet_busy: as root? |
| 06:40.48 | superjet_busy | Shadow_Master: no |
| 06:41.13 | fredl | I just changed xchat's fontsize to 18, which makes it only slightly more readable. |
| 06:41.49 | fredl | it was 14 so I guess that was also GNOME's default when I started messing with the font settings for GNOME. |
| 06:42.07 | Shadow_Master | just change the DPI. As long as your screen is set ot the same physical resolution, it won't fry anything |
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| 06:42.23 | Shadow_Master | GNOME's deafult for me has always been 10 pt , Sans Serif |
| 06:42.32 | Shadow_Master | at <I don't know what DPI> |
| 06:42.50 | fredl | 10pt is totally unreadable on my 52 DPI |
| 06:43.17 | fredl | and I don't think anybody should be expected to change each application's separate setting, correct? :) |
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| 06:44.58 | Shadow_Master | I usually hchange it to 8pt |
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| 06:45.23 | fredl | yeah on my laptop that's what I have. |
| 06:45.38 | Shadow_Master | though, I didn't notice the lovely numbers xpdyinfo gave me: resolution: 102x99 dots per inc |
| 06:45.54 | deadcat_ | i have a "rackable system" machine. how do i edit the lcd string? |
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| 06:46.38 | Shadow_Master | now I know at least where I should start hunting the display problems on the new laptop before I give up and install some crash-bomb like fglrx |
| 06:46.39 | Supaplex | deadcat_: what drives the lcd string? |
| 06:46.56 | fredl | well it's close to what's common, unlike my DPI :) |
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| 06:47.35 | deadcat_ | Supaplex: i think it needs serial cable. |
| 06:47.54 | deadcat_ | Supaplex: i tried but i guess i cant get the settings or something. and i dont know what to do with it. |
| 06:47.59 | Supaplex | deadcat_: echo hello world > /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 06:48.12 | fredl | perhaps I just need to live with the way my fonts like since my monitor really IS 52DPI |
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| 06:48.47 | deadcat_ | Supaplex: i dont use minicom to login to it? |
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| 06:49.16 | superjet_busy | howto add changelog item into debian/changelog, by hand? is there a app? |
| 06:49.26 | pif | vi |
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| 06:49.36 | simonrvn | dch |
| 06:50.06 | superjet_busy | i meanings add new changelog not editor's thing |
| 06:50.06 | pif | takes note |
| 06:50.22 | Shadow_Master | found a guide fo using my wlan chipset on lenny, in spanish. outdated instructions.... |
| 06:50.42 | ghuy_ | moth* F*, i cant get into internet :s, its any way i can reset everything from iprules, ppp stuff, inittab stuff, everything , start fresh? |
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| 06:51.45 | superjet_busy | got it, debchange |
| 06:52.46 | fredl | got another question too.... I'm using the spdif output of my soundcard. I've been able to reconfigure amarok and mplayer to play audio through it, but is there a way to tell ALSA to push out ALL sound through the spdif? |
| 06:53.57 | pif | fredl: map 'default' to that output with ~/.asoundrc |
| 06:54.02 | Supaplex | ghuy_: what manages your firewall? |
| 06:54.07 | pif | check the alsa wiki |
| 06:54.18 | superjet_busy | where is the file i need to modify email information using dh_make beside passwd? |
| 06:55.28 | toetender | Hwo to prevent some packages from being update by "aptitude upgrade"? |
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| 06:55.42 | ghuy_ | Supaplex nothing i dont use any firewall, the problem resides only in my debian laptop, becouse even my other laptops/desktops/ps3/xbox i mean everything works using this settings, but this particular laptop dont :s |
| 06:55.44 | Supaplex | !tell toetender about pinning |
| 06:55.51 | toetender | thank you |
| 06:56.10 | Supaplex | ghuy_: explain how iptables magically aquired rules and policy :P |
| 06:56.22 | newsense | ghuy_, if your using iptables use iptables --flush and iptables -P chain ACCEPT if ya changed policys |
| 06:57.23 | fredl | pif, thanks! |
| 06:57.26 | ghuy_ | Supaplex only if i know, i was compiling a program call qt-something its suppoust to do gui c++ programming easy, and yes like that stops gtetting internet :s |
| 06:58.09 | ghuy_ | Supaplex i suspecting the program move my /etc configurarion files, thats why i need to put everything to default back again and start fresh :s |
| 06:58.56 | Supaplex | ghuy_: http://rafb.net/p/A9YV2B24.html |
| 06:59.08 | ghuy_ | Supaplex i notice some /etc files had been move, |
| 06:59.18 | Supaplex | ghuy_: if it fubared your /etc it's beyond us. |
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| 07:00.06 | ghuy_ | Supaplexyeah i know, hmm my iptables its diferent |
| 07:00.29 | Supaplex | ghuy_: use that paste to feed iptables-restore |
| 07:00.50 | Shadow_Master | aaaarfg. |
| 07:01.09 | Shadow_Master | sorry. I just get pissed off when iceweasel crashes and drops the offline cache |
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| 07:01.50 | ghuy_ | Supaplex you mean create a file like that and then iptables-restore <- myfile ??? |
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| 07:02.13 | Shadow_Master | I hope the mozilla people ever fix this bug. |
| 07:02.13 | Supaplex | yes |
| 07:02.13 | newsense | < not <- |
| 07:02.26 | Supaplex | ghuy_: iptables-restore < blah.txt |
| 07:02.49 | ghuy_ | Supaplex newsense yes, typo error heh, ok doing that :) |
| 07:03.13 | Supaplex | typo's only cost $5 each. |
| 07:03.23 | ghuy_ | heh |
| 07:03.32 | newsense | id be broker than i already am ahaha |
| 07:03.50 | ghuy_ | Supaplexits going to take a while since i ned to manually do that on that lappie :p |
| 07:04.32 | Supaplex | I'm not holding my breath. just do it and let us know when "you're done". we don't need updates until then. :) |
| 07:04.42 | newsense | :) |
| 07:05.18 | newsense | im off to bed good luck |
| 07:05.49 | pif | s'wet dreams |
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| 07:06.56 | fisxoj | Does anyone who uses tabbed urxvt know how to close tabs? |
| 07:07.11 | Shadow_Master | zzzz |
| 07:08.57 | mhymn | fisxoj: i don't use rxvt but, does 'exit' work? |
| 07:09.07 | ghuy_ | Supaplexok, done |
| 07:09.21 | Supaplex | ghuy_: it works I assume? |
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| 07:09.46 | fisxoj | mhymn: yes! thanks |
| 07:09.49 | ghuy_ | Supaplex ping yahoo.com said cant resolve host error |
| 07:10.00 | Supaplex | ghuy_: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:11.27 | ghuy_ | Supaplex its empty |
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| 07:12.04 | ghuy_ | route add 192.168.1.0 dont letme add it |
| 07:12.07 | Supaplex | ghuy_: you need to ask your network admin, or isp for nameservers to use there. echo nameserver 1.1.1.1 > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:12.25 | Supaplex | ghuy_: man 5 interfaces and disregard using route directly. |
| 07:12.29 | Elite | Any of you guys here run an ispcp web hosting panel? |
| 07:12.47 | Supaplex | Elite: don't they offer their own support? |
| 07:13.46 | ghuy_ | Supaplex am the network administrator lol, its my home dlink router, his ip its 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:13.55 | Supaplex | Elite: anyway, if it's not a debian package rolled out in the offical repos, it's not really supported here. |
| 07:14.46 | Supaplex | ghuy_: let dhcp do the work if it's available. /etc/init.d/networking stop ; /etc/init.d/networking start you can try restart, but it may skip a few steps. |
| 07:15.05 | Supaplex | ghuy_: assuming /etc/network/interfaces is in order. |
| 07:16.01 | ghuy_ | netmask 255.255.255.0 ...local ip its 192.168.1.167, i dont use dhcp, i obtain my ips manually, 'cuz i dont use WEP, etc, i use MAC's to all mi computers, so i can tellyou that the ip for mi lappie is 192.168.1.137; netmask 255.255.255.0 gateaway 192.168.1.254 ...that sound right ? |
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| 07:17.27 | Supaplex | ghuy_: if you do it the hardway, then edit /etc/resolv.conf manually. 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' or whatever it is should do. and if it's a soho router, the gateway and nameserver might be the same. |
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| 07:17.42 | ghuy_ | Supaplexthis computer (desktop) obtain her ip using that settings with no problem, my other laptop elso, ps3 too, this laptop dont |
| 07:17.49 | Supaplex | anyway, zzzz time for me. |
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| 07:19.10 | ghuy_ | Supaplexok |
| 07:19.49 | fredl | Hmm, I got the default alsa device set for the sound now.... trying to figure out how to get DTS/AC3 pasthrough from mplayer however... |
| 07:19.53 | giantrobot | im trying to build a vpn between a debian box and cisco pix... i got the vpn established, but the problem is that my co-loc debian box has a single interface with a single external ip. im using openswan to build the isakmp/ipsec vpn, and i dont think my remote vpn gateway address and my remote host can be the same. so im trying to figure out how to create a virtual interface with ip that would route through my external ip, is para |
| 07:19.54 | giantrobot | routed the right idea? |
| 07:20.32 | fredl | should additional codecs be installed for mplayer to do DTS/AC3 passthrough?? |
| 07:21.29 | toetender | There is a dsitribution called "Linux Kid's Edition" :D |
| 07:21.31 | fredl | ehr... lemme go to #mplayer :) |
| 07:21.53 | giantrobot | pararouted got truncated in my novel-length post |
| 07:23.05 | cactaur | Hey! This question might be a little too involved for IRC, but let me know if it could be solved, or if I should forward it to a mailing list. I'm trying to install Debian Etch on an 11-year-old IBM Thinkpad 560X. Since it doesn't have a CD Drive, I connected the laptop hard drive to my desktop and installed from there. Since the BIOS is old, I have a /boot partition in the first Gigabyte of the hard drive, and am booting via grub. So, the problem |
| 07:23.05 | cactaur | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.20 | pif | laptops are too cheap nowadays to bother with obsolete hardware |
| 07:28.15 | pif | but if your time has no value, go ahead |
| 07:28.45 | craigevil | not everyone has the money to buy new hardware |
| 07:29.04 | giantrobot | anyone got a suggestion on creating a virtual interface? |
| 07:29.22 | pif | yeah right, cry me a river, recent used hw can be had for almost free |
| 07:29.40 | cactaur | Actually, this laptop was free >.> |
| 07:29.51 | mhymn | cactaur: try /msg dpkg thinkpad |
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| 07:30.38 | craigevil | cactaur: http://renaud.waldura.org/unix/linux-tp560.html |
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| 07:33.42 | cactaur | craigevil: Thanks! I'll try that! |
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| 07:35.48 | zeeble | hey. anyone from india here.. suggest which a fast mirror is to add to sources.list to download and upgrade my debian lenny install? |
| 07:36.46 | mhymn | !mirrors |
| 07:36.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 07:38.59 | epoxy | if i want to throw lenny on an Alix board, can anyone recommend a side project of debian? i've looked at a few, but they dont seem too mature. i'm going with a regular barebones deb install for now.. |
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| 07:47.26 | kingsley_ | epoxy: If you haven't done so already, you might want to consider searching Google's indices for an answer to that question. It seems to me that the chance of finding an answer among billions of web pages indexed there is better than among the hundreds of people watching here. |
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| 07:50.20 | epoxy | kingsley, yes. was asking in addition to. |
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| 07:53.27 | fredl | Hmm seems the #mplayer channel is asleep still.... |
| 07:53.49 | fredl | any mplayer experienced folks here who'd like to help me ? |
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| 07:58.25 | Internat | so this is probably a stupid question, but how does one build a kernel with the skas patch again? |
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| 08:00.46 | tangentcollision | hey, I'm using the net_installer |
| 08:01.12 | tangentcollision | how would I best install this? |
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| 08:06.17 | vsayikiran | can i send email using MUA only? is it necessary to use an MTA? |
| 08:06.38 | pif | vsayikiran: hi |
| 08:07.02 | vsayikiran | pif: hi |
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| 08:07.10 | alfatau | hello, i installed debian stable server for router/gateway replacement, and after an apt-get upgrade sometimes it freezes and i have to restart it. is there a way to understand why it's freezed? maybe looking at log files, but what i was able to find there gave no info... thanks |
| 08:08.09 | s3a | can anyone help me make a usb flash drive debian lenny INSTALLER so that I can install lenny on a hard drive? |
| 08:08.10 | pif | MUA only works fine, but having a local MTA to report system/cron errors is useful |
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| 08:09.12 | pif | alfatau: bad disk/memory/hardware ? |
| 08:09.23 | pif | use memtest |
| 08:11.26 | vsayikiran | pif: yes local MTA exim4 is installed, but suppose i want to send mail to my gmail id then i just use any MUA? |
| 08:12.22 | pif | try it and report |
| 08:13.06 | phorce1 | vsayikiran: any MUA configured to use your ISP or gmail as the outgoing server |
| 08:14.03 | cactaur | Does Debian still support installing from a DOS partition? Cause I can't seem to find any documentation on it for etch. |
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| 08:15.53 | Internat | hmms.. how do i tell if i need an initrd or not |
| 08:16.24 | pif | Internat: using a debian kernel you don't need to care |
| 08:16.40 | pif | rolling your own , you don't need initrd |
| 08:17.00 | Internat | rolling my own to add skas |
| 08:17.23 | pif | then don't build important drivers as modules |
| 08:17.38 | pif | disk/network |
| 08:21.15 | Internat | interesting |
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| 08:23.45 | Internat | and last but least, if im runing 2x dualcore xeons.. which flavour of the kenrel should i be running -686? |
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| 08:24.42 | ApacheClub | hello all |
| 08:24.46 | pif | sure, but be generic in your choices, at first, then reboot and experiment |
| 08:25.37 | ApacheClub | can anybody tell me about debian sub distribution can run in old pc? |
| 08:25.41 | pflops | !superscaler |
| 08:25.48 | pflops | nah |
| 08:27.03 | ApacheClub | can anybody tell me about debian sub distribution can run in old pc? like DSL but other |
| 08:27.21 | pif | how old? |
| 08:29.02 | ApacheClub | Intel Pentium II 400MHz, 128MB RAM, 10GB Harddrive |
| 08:29.06 | ApacheClub | can u help me? |
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| 08:29.59 | pif | no, sorry, i'm not into that fetichism |
| 08:30.12 | craigevil | ApacheClub: puppy would run on that |
| 08:30.26 | Internat | etch would run on that wouldnt it? |
| 08:30.53 | Gr33n3gg | ApacheClub: Try DSL (http://damnsmalllinux.org/) |
| 08:31.09 | ApacheClub | opps not DSL |
| 08:31.29 | Gr33n3gg | Try DeLi http://www.delilinux.org/ |
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| 08:31.44 | ApacheClub | Puppy? not debian base |
| 08:31.50 | ApacheClub | i want use debian base |
| 08:32.06 | craigevil | not but it runs well on low end systems and has quite a few packages |
| 08:32.17 | Gr33n3gg | Knoppix? |
| 08:32.23 | craigevil | you could try etch with something like blackbox/openbox |
| 08:32.36 | stew | ApacheClub: how about debian? |
| 08:32.55 | ApacheClub | if i want using XFCE ? |
| 08:33.37 | stew | ApacheClub: then use the xfce installer, or run "aptitude install xorg xfce4" after running the installer |
| 08:33.37 | ApacheClub | couse i like debian with .deb |
| 08:34.10 | ApacheClub | i tried etch and i get my old pc run slow |
| 08:34.16 | ApacheClub | can't run with faster |
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| 08:34.50 | Gr33n3gg | Xubuntu? |
| 08:34.52 | craigevil | its not going to be very fast with gnome/kde/xfce, use a window manager instead of a full desktop |
| 08:35.02 | rlpowell | How do I get the APT key for dotdeb.org ? |
| 08:35.20 | craigevil | rlpowell: ask in #ubuntu |
| 08:35.21 | ApacheClub | i want to try LinuxMint 3.0 with XFCE |
| 08:35.40 | ApacheClub | can i run faster with it? |
| 08:35.44 | stew | ApacheClub: ask #linuxmint |
| 08:35.46 | alfatau | pif: ok, i'll try, but it's strange because it has been working perfectly since more than 1 year, and exactly after upgrade it started freezing... however, i'll try a memtest |
| 08:36.04 | alfatau | pif: and an hdd regenerator |
| 08:36.35 | pif | run smartctl on your disk as well |
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| 08:41.59 | rlpowell | craigevil: Why in #ubuntu? dotdeb.org is for Debian. |
| 08:42.25 | craigevil | no its ubuntu just because they are .deb files doesnt mean its for debian |
| 08:43.00 | craigevil | ah snap sorry im thinking of getdeb |
| 08:43.23 | rlpowell | Ummm. The only dist it has is etch. Does ubuntu have etch? http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/ |
| 08:43.27 | rlpowell | Heh. OK. |
| 08:44.00 | stew | rlpowell: do you know the key's id? have you tried fetching it from a public keyserver? |
| 08:44.14 | rlpowell | *blink* |
| 08:44.22 | rlpowell | That never occured to me. -_- |
| 08:44.23 | rlpowell | goes to try. |
| 08:44.30 | enouf | ApacheClub: add more RAM, and use Lenny w/a WM instead of a bloated DE (as mentioned) - i run pIIs and pIIIs mostly |
| 08:44.30 | rlpowell | (and no, I don't know the id or how to find out the id) |
| 08:44.43 | stew | rlpowell: what makes you think there is one? |
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| 08:47.09 | rlpowell | stew: Well, apt keeps bitching. I'm just trying to make it trust the repo, and from what I'm reading that's how you do it. |
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| 08:56.34 | stew | rlpowell: what is the deb line you are using in sources.list? |
| 08:57.17 | Nigromante | hello |
| 08:57.38 | rlpowell | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org etch all |
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| 08:59.50 | stew | rlpowell: its not a signed repository, if it was, there would also be a Release.gpg here: http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/etch/all/binary-i386/ |
| 09:00.32 | rlpowell | Ah. OK. Didn't know there were unsigned repos. |
| 09:00.41 | rlpowell | Poo. Trying to automate with puppet. |
| 09:00.49 | rlpowell | Oh well; I'll have to figure out something else. |
| 09:00.51 | rlpowell | Thanks for the help! |
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| 09:03.56 | cuco | hi all, i need a small smtp server on my lan for testing, i think exim4 is good enough for me, however i cannot make it work. |
| 09:04.26 | cuco | i used smarthost in exim-config, and still "netstat -l" does not show that exim4 is listeninng |
| 09:05.27 | cuco | can anyone help me? |
| 09:05.31 | mhymn | cuco: '/etc/init.d/exim4 all' ? |
| 09:05.58 | cuco | mhymn, what? |
| 09:06.06 | ApacheClub | can remastersys tool use in debian? |
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| 09:06.10 | lwolf | hi |
| 09:06.21 | cuco | mypapit, since when initd scripts have an "all" option? |
| 09:06.24 | lwolf | i'm looking for a good tutorial /howto on debian Lenny and Xen |
| 09:06.58 | lwolf | i'm encountering problem.. and i'm guessing that i've done something wrong by handling xen 3.1 like i've handled Xen 3.0 |
| 09:07.16 | mhymn | cuco: 'all' was just to show you what options it has |
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| 09:07.56 | cuco | mhymn, i have /etc/init.d/exim4 start script. that did not help. |
| 09:08.12 | mhymn | cuco: i mean try '/etc/init.d/exim4 restart' or '/etc/init.d/exim4 reload' |
| 09:08.44 | mhymn | lwolf: debian wiki? |
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| 09:09.10 | lwolf | mhymn, wiki.debian.org ? |
| 09:09.19 | mhymn | i guess so |
| 09:09.21 | LoveGuru | *Hi Can Someone Help with "ssh". i got error "network error connection refused" i m using bridge connection. im trying to ssh my linux box from windows. |
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| 09:10.09 | lwolf | mhymn, i'm taking a look, thank you |
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| 09:10.30 | mhymn | np |
| 09:10.32 | lwolf | mhymn, but since google does not show anything. i've no big hope :( |
| 09:10.43 | dzup | can someone help me here? |
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| 09:11.01 | Gr33n3gg | dzup: Sure. |
| 09:11.05 | Polizei | dzup, no way |
| 09:11.18 | Gr33n3gg | Err, I mean GTFO! |
| 09:11.19 | Polizei | unless you say what's the pain, we can't start cutting your legs |
| 09:11.37 | Polizei | cuz we can always cut the right one |
| 09:12.03 | dzup | i cant ping nowhere but localhost, mi local ip and loopback, i cant resolve any domainname, but my bittorrent its downloading and my irc client its on, wtf? |
| 09:12.28 | Gr33n3gg | What errors do you get? |
| 09:12.41 | Polizei | dzup, cat /etc/resolv.conf and paste it somewhere |
| 09:12.58 | Polizei | Generally, resolv.conf is messed when you can't resolve anything... |
| 09:13.18 | dzup | hmm whatsa the ip of yahoo? default 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ath0 |
| 09:13.28 | lwolf | mhymn, ok, this done the trick i think |
| 09:13.29 | Polizei | You should have pings around the world |
| 09:13.38 | mhymn | lwolf: ;) |
| 09:13.52 | lwolf | mhymn, i was using the role minimal instead of the role udev... |
| 09:14.02 | dzup | its alright thats my gateaway,may be that i can resolve named domains, but ips are ok? |
| 09:14.37 | Polizei | dzup, thats your default route (or gateway), but whats in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 09:14.43 | Polizei | any nameserver? |
| 09:14.53 | Polizei | And, another question, are you using dhcp? |
| 09:14.53 | dzup | ok letme try some, who had ip of yahoo.com ...i will try to ping ip nuimber. |
| 09:14.57 | lwolf | mhymn, i've wroten this for etch, http://howto.landure.fr/gnu-linux/debian-4-0-etch-en/install-and-setup-xen-on-debian-4-0-etch , and i'm trying to update it for lenny, but i was encountering difficulties |
| 09:15.16 | Polizei | yahoo.com has address 206.190.60.37 |
| 09:15.16 | Polizei | yahoo.com has address 68.180.206.184 |
| 09:15.40 | dzup | Polinameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 09:15.41 | dzup | nameserver 192.168.1.255 |
| 09:15.41 | Polizei | dzup, pick one |
| 09:15.55 | mhymn | lwolf: hmm, that's a nice one dude |
| 09:16.14 | Polizei | wheee... bcast for a nameserver... ;p |
| 09:16.19 | lwolf | mhymn, yeah, work quite well (but with 3 month of work on it, it should :) |
| 09:16.24 | dzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.24 | dzup | ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 09:16.24 | dzup | alex@alex:~$ |
| 09:16.36 | Gr33n3gg | Hmm, I had a 256MB SD card used as a swap before, say if I took that out (while running) and put in a different SD card. What might happen? |
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| 09:17.38 | Polizei | Gr33n3gg, your pc will explode right in the next 33 min + 42 sec |
| 09:17.39 | Polizei | ;P |
| 09:17.49 | Gr33n3gg | sweet. |
| 09:17.51 | dzup | Polino no i just add that bcast ip, letme erased, does the same dho. |
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| 09:19.37 | Polizei | dzup, ls -l /bin/ping |
| 09:19.40 | Polizei | is it suid ? |
| 09:20.55 | Polizei | it definetely should be... root yourself and chmod +s it... |
| 09:22.42 | dzup | this is weird, my ip: 192.168.1.167 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateaway 192.168.1.254 in /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.1.1 , in iptables-save shows please view #flood for that |
| 09:23.19 | Internat | is there a way to mass manage multiple debian servers.. ie apply updates to all etc? |
| 09:23.47 | dzup | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.47 | dzup | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30856 2007-12-10 09:33 /bin/ping <-- i did changed last hour to 755, hopping it will work like that |
| 09:24.13 | Polizei | dzup, so now root yourself && chmod +s /bin/ping |
| 09:24.44 | b2g | Internat: deploy ssh on server and set up keys |
| 09:24.44 | Gr33n3gg | Internat: Cronjobs? |
| 09:24.56 | dzup | Polizei: i use sudo, but letme see, am going su root now |
| 09:25.32 | Polizei | its the same shit.. |
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| 09:25.44 | Internat | i was thinking something more like microsux sms or wsus |
| 09:26.03 | dzup | Polizei: i know, its weird tho |
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| 09:26.28 | Polizei | I mean, its the same you whether sudo chmod or su, then chmod ... |
| 09:26.40 | Polizei | s/you whether/whether you/ |
| 09:26.45 | Internat | whats the thing to build your own custom repo? with just a few packages ive built from source? |
| 09:26.51 | dzup | Polizei: but if i sudo su, and am root ping works, wyf, letme see |
| 09:27.13 | Polizei | yes, because for openning a raw socket (such as icmp) you need to be root |
| 09:28.08 | Polizei | making /bin/ping suid root will fix the problem, as long as ping is secure and can be trusted... |
| 09:29.12 | dzup | wtf? yes am the only person in this lappie |
| 09:29.18 | dzup | soo its secure |
| 09:29.44 | Polizei | just kiddin |
| 09:29.51 | dzup | Polizei: besides does not containg nothing important |
| 09:30.37 | Polizei | dzup, erm? |
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| 09:30.53 | LoveGuru | if im using *bridge* connection so i have to mention something in my /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/hosts? |
| 09:31.46 | dzup | Poliand its weird 'cuz the only thing i did was sudo su root and now i can resolve domains and my fireworks works now, :s if i exit of root on terminal it should keep settings right? i dont like to be root :s |
| 09:32.14 | Polizei | did you make ping suid? |
| 09:32.48 | dzup | root@alex:/home/alex# ping yahoo.com |
| 09:32.48 | dzup | PING yahoo.com (206.190.60.37) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 09:32.48 | dzup | 64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.re4.yahoo.com (206.190.60.37): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=94.0 ms |
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| 09:33.00 | dzup | yes works but as root now |
| 09:33.56 | Polizei | chmod +s /bin/ping |
| 09:33.56 | Polizei | ? |
| 09:34.29 | dzup | yes that i had before, letme set it up again |
| 09:34.41 | Polizei | so what does ls -l /bin/ping says/ |
| 09:35.00 | LoveGuru | if im using *bridge* connection so i have to mention something in my /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/hosts? |
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| 09:39.30 | turneralex__ | hey, how would i copy the entire contents of one drive to another? |
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| 09:39.42 | dzup | Polizei: http://www.pastebin.ca/1295001 <-- i got exactly the same settings as before, some how when i sudo su to root, some how now internet works again :s but i had the same shit man, wtf? |
| 09:39.55 | cahoot | turneralex__: cp -a or rsync? |
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| 09:40.51 | dzup | Polizei: now everything back to normal, without doing anything but su tu root, run ping, :s |
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| 09:42.45 | Polizei | dood, ya're hopeless... |
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| 09:43.10 | dzup | http://www.pastebin.ca/1295002 |
| 09:43.42 | Gr33n3gg | dzup: What are you trying to do? |
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| 09:44.05 | dzup | grgetting internet, i got it now thanks for asking heh |
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| 09:46.02 | dzup | i was compilling something and my internet just stoped, but now a got it back again, i thing whatever i was compiling back then mess up my /etc/ files heh, now its fix thanks for asking :) |
| 09:47.13 | dzup | cd qt-x11-opensource-src-4.4.3 |
| 09:47.19 | dzup | make |
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| 09:48.01 | dzup | srry wrong window |
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| 09:49.19 | schme_ | g'day |
| 09:49.29 | Gr33n3gg | right 'o |
| 09:50.23 | MrWGW | do I need to rebuild my Etch kernel to get VLAN support? |
| 09:51.30 | schme_ | MrWGW: No. |
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| 09:52.00 | schme_ | MrWGW: aptitude install vlan |
| 09:52.14 | MrWGW | meh, I did an apt-get install vlan |
| 09:52.23 | MrWGW | but it didn't modprobe the right module automatically |
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| 09:52.46 | schme_ | MrWGW: Ok. Did you set up your network config, and does your NIC support the vlaning? |
| 09:53.39 | speaker219 | i'm missing /sbin/ip -- is this in a package somewhere? |
| 09:54.18 | schme_ | speaker219: apt-file search /sbin/ip |
| 09:54.49 | MrWGW | schme: I loaded the module, but when attempting to run vconfig add eth0 2 |
| 09:54.58 | schme_ | MrWGW: Not all network adapters support vlan tagging, and you most likely will have to set some stuff up in /etc/network |
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| 09:55.05 | MrWGW | it responded: ERROR: trying to add VLAN #2 to IF -:eth0:- error: Invalid argument |
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| 09:55.15 | schme_ | right ok. |
| 09:55.40 | MrWGW | does that suggest anything? |
| 09:55.47 | MrWGW | these are new, modern, gigE NICs |
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| 09:55.53 | quentusrex | Can someone help me find where to ask a question about a gcc compile problem with my C source code? Error: "warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size" |
| 09:56.19 | SQlvpapir | try #c |
| 09:56.31 | schme_ | MrWGW: It suggests to me something is broken, that is the normal producedure right there. :( |
| 09:57.26 | MrWGW | well, no doubt |
| 09:57.41 | schme_ | MrWGW: I'm thinking maybe something like http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-04/msg01377.html |
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| 09:58.04 | xingu | quentusrex: nb this usually means you're building source which is a little sloppy about int <-> pointer typecasting and you're running on an arch with 64bit pointer sizes. |
| 09:58.25 | quentusrex | thanks xingu |
| 09:58.50 | MrWGW | well the NIC supports VLANs at least on Windows |
| 09:58.55 | xingu | quentusrex: if this is the case prepare for a very, very long day's worth of fixing junior school level fecundities |
| 09:58.59 | MrWGW | its a Trendnet Gigabit Ethernet NIC I bought for $10 at Fry's |
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| 09:59.32 | schme_ | MrWGW: Bugger. Good luck with those anyway :) |
| 09:59.37 | schme_ | now coffee time! |
| 09:59.42 | MrWGW | but disturbingly enough |
| 09:59.45 | xingu | MrWGW: what does ethtool -i eth0 report? |
| 09:59.46 | MrWGW | vlan add works on eth1 |
| 09:59.51 | MrWGW | which uses a different NIC |
| 10:00.01 | MrWGW | ethtool: command not found |
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| 10:00.10 | xingu | ... you know what to do. |
| 10:00.50 | MrWGW | xingu: http://pastie.org/347768 |
| 10:00.52 | MrWGW | hey well you asked ;) |
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| 10:01.13 | MrWGW | I of course did an apt-get install ethtool, reran the command, and pasted above are the results |
| 10:01.18 | xingu | MrWGW: so that's your problem... |
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| 10:01.24 | MrWGW | mhmm? |
| 10:01.30 | xingu | MrWGW: good luck running vlans on ip-over-firewire |
| 10:01.33 | xingu | grins |
| 10:01.52 | MrWGW | oooh wtf? |
| 10:02.10 | schme_ | Hahaha. |
| 10:02.17 | MrWGW | ok |
| 10:02.22 | MrWGW | but this beign said |
| 10:02.22 | schme_ | #debian - we're nice and friendly, but we do like laughing at people ;) |
| 10:02.27 | MrWGW | I'm also having the same problem on eth2 |
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| 10:02.30 | MrWGW | which I believe is normal |
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| 10:02.41 | xingu | MrWGW: let's have a look at ethtool on that guy too |
| 10:03.00 | MrWGW | and its alright schme: I'm a BSDer |
| 10:03.09 | MrWGW | and in the BSD community we just ban people :-P |
| 10:03.13 | MrWGW | http://pastie.org/347771 |
| 10:03.40 | MrWGW | eth2 and eth3 are the ports I was trying to work with |
| 10:03.48 | MrWGW | I got confused earlier... |
| 10:03.57 | MrWGW | eth2 and eth3 are both the same |
| 10:04.03 | MrWGW | and the above is the output of running ethtool against them |
| 10:04.08 | MrWGW | eth0 is firewire, as discussed, to my chagrin |
| 10:04.21 | xingu | MrWGW: ok now we're talking; unfortunately I'm crippled here by being nowhere near 1/ a working config 2/ a linux based system at all |
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| 10:04.52 | MrWGW | and alas this box is deep behind my home LAN, otherwise I'd have no problems giving you # :-P |
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| 10:04.58 | xingu | MrWGW: so the next step is see what the difference in interface flags per ifconfig is between the working/nonworking case |
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| 10:05.12 | MrWGW | I have servers that run in LA, and as a result,its kind of nice because it means I'm just an ssh or putty.exe away from UNIX paradise |
| 10:05.15 | xingu | MrWGW: ifconfig -a, look at UP RUNNING ... etc |
| 10:05.40 | MrWGW | eth2 and eth3 lack UP and RUNNING |
| 10:05.46 | xingu | MrWGW: if it's any consolation r8169 is not too horrible an engine |
| 10:05.50 | MrWGW | but have BROADCAST and MULTICAST |
| 10:06.36 | MrWGW | as an aside, thanks for helping me at this wee hour |
| 10:06.39 | MrWGW | as a sign of gratitude |
| 10:06.51 | MrWGW | bestows upon xingu the title of Honorary BSD user |
| 10:06.51 | MrWGW | :-p |
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| 10:07.27 | MrWGW | now worst case scenario: I can do my trunking with eth1 |
| 10:07.30 | MrWGW | it would just kind of suck |
| 10:07.40 | MrWGW | because it would mean that I could only trunk to a single switch in my lab |
| 10:07.49 | xingu | MrWGW: ok you need to bring the interface UP before you can add vlans to it - I think. |
| 10:07.56 | MrWGW | and it would also result in probable downtime while I reconfigured everything |
| 10:08.14 | MrWGW | what's your Debian-specific command for that? |
| 10:08.24 | MrWGW | is primarily a user of Fedora, SuSE and FreeBSD |
| 10:08.37 | MrWGW | but Debian seems to be treating me well on this box |
| 10:08.42 | xingu | MrWGW: let's just test the theory first (before automating for boot-time) - PROVIDING - this isn't going to kill access to the host |
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| 10:09.01 | xingu | MrWGW: so ifconfig eth2 up; vconfig add eth2 2 |
| 10:09.03 | MrWGW | the host has three interfaces |
| 10:09.11 | MrWGW | eth1 is what its currently talking to me with |
| 10:09.19 | MrWGW | eth 2 and 3 are these extra Trendnet NICs |
| 10:09.24 | xingu | MrWGW: before you do this... |
| 10:09.30 | MrWGW | mhmm? |
| 10:09.49 | xingu | MrWGW: what this will do is bring up eth2 with an access-mode vlan (0) addressed-as 0.0.0.0/32 |
| 10:10.06 | MrWGW | would that overwrite the routing table? |
| 10:10.06 | xingu | MrWGW: and then add 802.1q vlan id 2 to it, addressed similarly. |
| 10:10.21 | MrWGW | note that eth1 doesn't touch eth2 or eth3 at all |
| 10:10.24 | xingu | MrWGW: it'll add a device route for that next-hop, yes |
| 10:10.28 | MrWGW | eth1 goes to a separate switchport on the back of one of my WRT54GLs |
| 10:10.32 | MrWGW | and is thus connected to my WDS |
| 10:10.38 | MrWGW | a route to 0.0.0.0/32? |
| 10:10.40 | xingu | MrWGW: ok - just so you know what it's going to do. |
| 10:10.54 | xingu | MrWGW: yep - bound to eth2.0 |
| 10:10.55 | MrWGW | because correct me if I'm wrong, that would effectively be a default route |
| 10:11.06 | xingu | MrWGW: default route is 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 10:11.15 | MrWGW | well, would this take out eth1 or not? |
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| 10:11.20 | MrWGW | this box is in my garage, and I'm tired |
| 10:11.20 | xingu | MrWGW: I hope not. :) |
| 10:11.24 | MrWGW | it would suck to have to go out there |
| 10:11.39 | xingu | MrWGW: it shouldn't do, but I can't test - so there's the risk that it might. |
| 10:11.39 | MrWGW | well what if I first did an ifconfig eth2 <some IP address> <some netmask> |
| 10:11.41 | MrWGW | i.e. |
| 10:11.46 | xingu | MrWGW: that'd be safer |
| 10:11.54 | MrWGW | and that would take it up right? |
| 10:11.59 | MrWGW | that's the usual behavior |
| 10:12.00 | MrWGW | btw |
| 10:12.12 | MrWGW | its weird, but OpenBSD will never overwrite a route in its routing table |
| 10:12.17 | MrWGW | you have to explicitly change the routing table |
| 10:12.18 | xingu | MrWGW: I think linux groks ifconfig eth2 ip.ad.dr.es/length |
| 10:12.20 | MrWGW | so if you change your default gateway |
| 10:12.26 | MrWGW | going route add default again is not enough on that platform |
| 10:12.34 | xingu | nods |
| 10:12.56 | xingu | MrWGW: ok in that case try - ifconfig eth2 ip.ad.dr.es/length up |
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| 10:14.25 | MrWGW | yay success |
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| 10:14.34 | MrWGW | awwesome, ty xingu |
| 10:14.58 | MrWGW | does Debian have a script analogous to Fedora's rc.local, that gets executed after the boot is complete? |
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| 10:15.09 | xingu | MrWGW: we can do better than that - see http://hausheer.osola.com/docs/15 |
| 10:15.12 | MrWGW | to allow lazy BSD users like myself to avoid having to screw around with runlevels? |
| 10:15.23 | xingu | but yes |
| 10:15.27 | s3a | can someone help me boot debian installer off usb please, it should be easy but i am having trouble (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=197565#197565) |
| 10:15.29 | xingu | !tell MrWGW -about rc.local |
| 10:15.37 | MrWGW | if you just linked me to a plug for demented SysV architecture, I will be disappointed :-P |
| 10:15.47 | MrWGW | Runlevels sound cool but sysvinit infuriates me by virtue of its bothersome nature |
| 10:16.03 | MrWGW | ahh awesome |
| 10:16.04 | xingu | doesn't do religion |
| 10:16.25 | s3a | stoned, yo im still trying what i was trying hours ago, and that thread shows what i've attempted but can you plz fill in the missing holes of my problem? |
| 10:16.25 | MrWGW | I, on the other hand, embrace a highly stylized hardware/software theocracy |
| 10:16.36 | MrWGW | with a pantheon of technological gods and godesses, modelled on the ancient Egyptians |
| 10:16.52 | MrWGW | this pattern of worship revolves around the Sun god and the moon good IBM |
| 10:17.03 | MrWGW | Apple is the devil and Google, its apprentice |
| 10:17.17 | Craz | How can i set 64 bit Iceweasels javaplugin (shockwave?) automatically show flash-content? It makes me crazy when I need to every time click every java-content to be able to see it :P |
| 10:17.26 | xingu | MrWGW: nb, also see the (first) link at the tail end of that article - contains another /etc/network/interfaces fragment for multi-vlan |
| 10:17.32 | MrWGW | and the prophets are of course, DMR and Ken, blessings and peace be upon them :-P |
| 10:17.33 | Gr33n3gg | hey, moving picture on black box |
| 10:17.47 | MrWGW | xingu: ty |
| 10:17.55 | MrWGW | actually the /etc/network/interfaces config details are easy to spot |
| 10:18.00 | MrWGW | I was curious about rc.local for .... other stuff |
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| 10:18.07 | MrWGW | although rc.local is awesome in how it lets you cheat :-P |
| 10:18.10 | s3a | Craz, tools-->addons maybe? |
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| 10:18.13 | MrWGW | SuSE lacks it |
| 10:18.14 | sajes | Craz: java != flash. |
| 10:18.23 | MrWGW | to my annoyance |
| 10:18.27 | MrWGW | one of my few gripes with that distro |
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| 10:18.54 | MrWGW | actually right now the only distros that really have me acutely annoyed are Ubuntu, due to declining quality in Hardy and Gutsy (I haven't played with Intrepid yet) |
| 10:19.01 | MrWGW | and Slackware, because that distro is becoming bloated |
| 10:19.02 | MrWGW | and its sad |
| 10:19.07 | MrWGW | because it used to be really lean and mean |
| 10:19.11 | MrWGW | but its funn stuff |
| 10:19.20 | MrWGW | fun |
| 10:19.28 | MrWGW | anyway xingu ty for your assistance |
| 10:19.30 | sajes | MrWGW: 4.8 GB in the default install is crazy. :<. |
| 10:19.32 | zu22 | How can I setup port forwarding in Debian? |
| 10:19.39 | MrWGW | its utterly absurd |
| 10:19.51 | xingu | de nada |
| 10:19.51 | Craz | s3a: I don't want to disable it, just configure and I cant find anything in that way :P |
| 10:19.51 | zu22 | MrWGW: debian can be lean and mean |
| 10:19.55 | MrWGW | in the past the whole point of Slackware was that it was bloat-free, efficient and sane |
| 10:19.56 | Craz | sajes: true, sorry |
| 10:20.12 | MrWGW | zu22: indeed, and that + Debian's support for JFS and XFS make me like it |
| 10:20.16 | MrWGW | Slackware also supports JFS and XFS |
| 10:20.24 | MrWGW | the lack of support for those FSes elsewhere infuriates me |
| 10:20.26 | sajes | Craz: Are you using swfdec or adobe flash player? |
| 10:20.32 | MrWGW | now recently I did a deployment of 5 desktop linux systems in a NOC in LA |
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| 10:20.38 | MrWGW | a network operations control center |
| 10:20.41 | SchneiderWeisse | Hi |
| 10:20.41 | MrWGW | using Mandriva One |
| 10:20.51 | MrWGW | and that distro is awesome - its extremely bloat free and efficient, and it supports my beloved JFS filesystem |
| 10:20.54 | zu22 | MrWGW: did you use debian? |
| 10:20.55 | MrWGW | in addition to other amenities |
| 10:21.01 | MrWGW | I used Mandriva One 2009 |
| 10:21.05 | xingu | any claims to debian's leanness ought to be verified on an a3000 |
| 10:21.06 | Craz | sajes: swfdec |
| 10:21.09 | zu22 | Isn't Mandriva commercial distro? |
| 10:21.10 | SchneiderWeisse | is it possible that my fail2ban needs up to 100mb Ram? |
| 10:21.19 | MrWGW | Mandriva One is a free download |
| 10:21.21 | xingu | or a IPC |
| 10:21.22 | MrWGW | and its all open source, so |
| 10:21.23 | zu22 | xingu: what is an a3000? |
| 10:21.28 | xingu | I've done both, and it failed. |
| 10:21.29 | zu22 | MrWGW: ok |
| 10:21.37 | zu22 | xingu: i have an IPX |
| 10:21.43 | MrWGW | but they really went overboard on bloat removal |
| 10:21.45 | MrWGW | they even removed ed! |
| 10:21.48 | MrWGW | how can you remove ed? |
| 10:21.50 | xingu | zu22: are you keeping up with the commodore? :) |
| 10:21.50 | sajes | Craz: That's why. By default, swfdec doesn't run flash stuff automatically. I'm not sure how to change that, but there has to be a configuration file layout about somewhere. ;) |
| 10:21.54 | MrWGW | its the standard editor! |
| 10:21.59 | xingu | zu22: amiga 3000 |
| 10:22.00 | MrWGW | they might just as well remove man |
| 10:22.12 | MrWGW | wonders if NetBSD runs on the Amiga 3000 |
| 10:22.18 | zu22 | xingu: heh i haven't used commodore in years, how about you? |
| 10:22.21 | MrWGW | lack of bloat is a reason why I'm a huge fan of the BSDs also |
| 10:22.34 | MrWGW | the BSDs and Debian appeal to me by virtue of being bloat free server systems |
| 10:22.58 | zu22 | why remove ed? it's so tiny, lol. |
| 10:23.02 | MrWGW | exactly |
| 10:23.09 | MrWGW | but at least it shows, they're *dead serious* about bloat removal |
| 10:23.14 | MrWGW | ed is my favorite editor |
| 10:23.18 | xingu | zu22: packed mine into storage in 2000 |
| 10:23.19 | zu22 | get rid of vi/vim :D |
| 10:23.23 | zu22 | hugs emacs |
| 10:23.27 | zu22 | xingu: ah |
| 10:23.30 | s3a | Craz, tools-->addons-->preferences maybe? |
| 10:23.30 | MrWGW | heretic! |
| 10:23.32 | MrWGW | burn him! |
| 10:23.32 | MrWGW | :-p |
| 10:23.35 | zu22 | lol |
| 10:23.42 | MrWGW | at any rate, in this case you're also wrong |
| 10:23.45 | MrWGW | removing emacs and vim |
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| 10:23.49 | MrWGW | and leaving, say, tinyvi, would be logical |
| 10:23.51 | MrWGW | but it would annoy me |
| 10:23.55 | craigevil | cream |
| 10:23.57 | s3a | can someone please help me with booting the debian installer off usb? |
| 10:23.59 | MrWGW | I personally do all my editing in either vim or ed |
| 10:24.01 | Percules | good morning !! |
| 10:24.01 | zu22 | i am trying to find non-bloated window manager/desktop that doesn't need tons of key combos to use. |
| 10:24.08 | MrWGW | I use ed where a lot of people use tinyvi |
| 10:24.14 | MrWGW | I love ed's manner of operation |
| 10:24.16 | MrWGW | its so easy and relaxing |
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| 10:24.25 | zu22 | s3a: try www.pendrivelinux.com |
| 10:24.25 | sajes | zu22: Have you tried windowmaker? |
| 10:24.27 | MrWGW | and it never varies, ed is always the same no matter who is implementing it on a given day |
| 10:24.33 | zu22 | sajes: nope using metacity currently |
| 10:24.38 | MrWGW | its really Ken Thompson's masterpiece IMO |
| 10:24.48 | simonrvn | MrWGW: do you happen to have a masochistic streak? |
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| 10:24.56 | zu22 | mrWGW: his masterpiece is UNIX |
| 10:24.59 | MrWGW | simonrvn: no, and indeed, I find ed to be luxurious |
| 10:25.03 | Percules | Guys i was wondering if there is anyway to make my debian server be shutdown and after 15 minutes start again ?? |
| 10:25.04 | MrWGW | what ed does really well is this: |
| 10:25.05 | MrWGW | copy paste |
| 10:25.06 | schme_ | ed is great. |
| 10:25.10 | MrWGW | you copy text from a website |
| 10:25.11 | MrWGW | like code |
| 10:25.16 | MrWGW | pasting it in vim usually dosen't work |
| 10:25.18 | MrWGW | and in vi its hit or miss |
| 10:25.19 | s3a | zu22, i dont want to install linux on flash drive, i want the installation files on it so i can use it to install debian on a hard drive |
| 10:25.25 | zu22 | i got used to using nano for editing config files |
| 10:25.26 | MrWGW | plus vi sucks down your whole screen due to its curses UI |
| 10:25.27 | MrWGW | but in ed |
| 10:25.29 | MrWGW | all you do |
| 10:25.30 | simonrvn | :set paste duh |
| 10:25.31 | MrWGW | ed filename |
| 10:25.31 | MrWGW | a |
| 10:25.34 | MrWGW | <paste your text |
| 10:25.36 | MrWGW | . |
| 10:25.38 | zu22 | s3a: oh i never did that before |
| 10:25.38 | s3a | zu22, this is what ive managed so far (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=197565#197565) |
| 10:25.39 | liable | Percules: not really, WOL maybe? |
| 10:25.39 | MrWGW | wq |
| 10:25.41 | MrWGW | et voila! |
| 10:25.44 | xingu | the challenge on both those two platforms being - bit banging scsi controller; <64MB-ish memory config; and 25MHz-ish worth of thundering FSB |
| 10:25.46 | s3a | zu22, o, thx anwyays |
| 10:25.47 | Percules | WOL ? |
| 10:25.53 | liable | wake on lan |
| 10:25.59 | zu22 | s3a: ok |
| 10:26.06 | MrWGW | I wrote my own editor that is similiar to ed but uses a clarified syntax that I also use where availible |
| 10:26.09 | Percules | oh right |
| 10:26.11 | MrWGW | my editor is also really really perverse |
| 10:26.16 | MrWGW | its called wed |
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| 10:26.25 | zu22 | MrWGW: you got a homepage? |
| 10:26.28 | MrWGW | and it makes generous use of ANSI art for aesthetic stuff |
| 10:26.34 | MrWGW | zu22: not yet, building one is on my todo list |
| 10:26.40 | zu22 | MrWGW: "i wed thee" |
| 10:26.43 | Percules | WOL with time scheduling while server is closed ?! |
| 10:26.44 | zu22 | mrWGW: ok |
| 10:26.52 | MrWGW | it stands for Wilkins ED itor |
| 10:27.04 | zu22 | cool |
| 10:27.05 | MrWGW | its written in Ruby, the code is pretty ugly, but its a cool geek toy |
| 10:27.12 | schme_ | My god. |
| 10:27.20 | schme_ | Isn't everything in ruby ugly and slow? ;) |
| 10:27.24 | xingu | Percules: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup |
| 10:27.26 | MrWGW | oh btw, my webpage doesn't exist yet, but when it does, it will be at wgw.name |
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| 10:27.43 | MrWGW | schme: no, you're doubtless thinking of Python :-P |
| 10:27.44 | schme | bah |
| 10:27.47 | zu22 | mrWGW: ok mine is down at the moment, idiot vps :( |
| 10:27.57 | schme | MrWGW: No. That I also agree with it being ugly and slow, indeed! |
| 10:28.00 | MrWGW | everything in Ruby is like orange blossom honey |
| 10:28.01 | MrWGW | extremely slow |
| 10:28.05 | MrWGW | but delicious, and visually elegant |
| 10:28.08 | zu22 | ruby on rails lol |
| 10:28.13 | MrWGW | Rails sucks |
| 10:28.17 | MrWGW | I don't use rails |
| 10:28.19 | schme | MrWGW: I.. very much do not agree there, but nevermind :) |
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| 10:28.23 | MrWGW | rails uses a totally different paradigm |
| 10:28.41 | MrWGW | zu22: you have a crappy VPS? who is your provider? |
| 10:28.52 | MrWGW | I'm actually setting up a VPS hosting business as we speak, I'm hoping to go live with my website next week |
| 10:29.09 | MrWGW | but that's not what I'm using VLANs for ;) |
| 10:29.12 | MrWGW | yet |
| 10:29.14 | MrWGW | at least |
| 10:30.01 | Percules | what about the prices MrWGW ? |
| 10:30.02 | zu22 | MrWGW: crissic.com, only $10 USD/month for 30gb disk, 256mb ram and 30gb/mo quota but the support stinks! I've been waiting 5 days for them to resolve "IP issue" they promised me would be fixed in a "couple hours". |
| 10:30.29 | MrWGW | zu22: my prices won't be as good on a per commodity basis |
| 10:30.31 | zu22 | MrWGW: further they automatically close my ticket before even answering it and don't reply to my numerous emails :( So I can't use my vps for 5 days now :( |
| 10:30.36 | MrWGW | but alas, at least I'll probide good support :-P |
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| 10:30.42 | zu22 | MrWGW: how much your prices? |
| 10:31.40 | xingu | MrWGW: you've not been tempted to scrap the vlans and use mpls over ethernet? :) |
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| 10:32.45 | wp | hi, what was the command to setup basic things in debian like the timezone ? |
| 10:33.36 | liable | !set the time |
| 10:33.36 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 10:35.07 | wp | liable: but there was a command to run the setup again.. :) |
| 10:35.16 | wp | to set the hostname etc |
| 10:35.46 | liable | oh, that was part of the installer, you have to do it other ways now |
| 10:36.19 | liable | base-config used to be the tool, they removed it. |
| 10:36.19 | zu22 | I heard Debian is working on a spiffy new installer, anyone know when it will be released? |
| 10:36.21 | wp | it's been a while since i used it indeed, thats why i cant remember ;). But it's not usable? |
| 10:36.34 | wp | oh ok.. too bad then :) |
| 10:36.38 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it's called d-i, and it's already released. |
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| 10:37.16 | wp | !set the timezone |
| 10:37.18 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ok i will check it out |
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| 10:37.32 | liable | wp: see what dpkg said above about tzdata |
| 10:37.54 | wp | ok, there's still some wine in my vains |
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| 10:46.25 | simonrvn | "veins". to help your wine-addled brain and veins ;p |
| 10:46.54 | wp | i have a good excuse now simon ;) |
| 10:47.57 | dazjorz | X1938: you still there? |
| 10:49.00 | Gr33n3gg | !seen X1938 |
| 10:49.00 | dpkg | x1938 is currently on #debian, last said: 'only going *'. |
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| 10:49.12 | zu22 | !seen cafuego |
| 10:49.12 | dpkg | cafuego is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 9h 39m 43s, last said: 'Speaking of relaxing'. |
| 10:49.24 | ConSi | o stats :> |
| 10:49.26 | Gr33n3gg | !seen Gr33n3gg |
| 10:49.26 | dpkg | gr33n3gg is currently on #debian (4h 15m 7s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen Gr33n3gg'. |
| 10:49.27 | ConSi | !seen consi |
| 10:49.27 | dpkg | consi is currently on #debian (21h 46m 23s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen consi'. |
| 10:49.33 | ConSi | :P |
| 10:49.36 | liable | guys.. |
| 10:49.41 | Gr33n3gg | 15 messages w00t! |
| 10:50.02 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: the command you gave me yesterday, ssh -d -p 2222 - my ssh does not support -d |
| 10:50.28 | dazjorz | going to try /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 10:51.19 | enouf | wp: i think many of the base-config timezone related items have been merged into libc6 (someone correct me if i'm mistaken), and so as mentioned; just running the d-i will do it, but to reconfigure that, do as others mentioned about 'set the time' factoid |
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| 10:51.58 | simonrvn | wp: hehe |
| 10:52.21 | enouf | also; man tz[TAB][TAB] |
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| 10:56.18 | cantido | One of my vservers is sending localhost in the HELO from exim.. apparently that's due to a borken hosts file; What exactly should and shouldn't be in the hosts fix? |
| 10:56.24 | cantido | s/fix/file/ |
| 10:56.46 | dzup | what other irc client like bitchx exist? |
| 10:57.05 | cantido | dzup: irssi, ircII.. there are loads |
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| 11:00.15 | dazjorz | hmm - I run sshd like this: |
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| 11:00.28 | dazjorz | /usr/sbin/sshd -h /home/dazjorz/sshd-debug/ssh_host_dsa_key -h /home/dazjorz/sshd-debug/ssh_host_rsa_key -d -p number |
| 11:00.35 | dazjorz | yet it says: |
| 11:00.35 | dazjorz | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 11:00.35 | dazjorz | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 11:00.39 | dazjorz | why does it even try? :/ |
| 11:01.18 | dazjorz | also, non-root cannot read PAM? |
| 11:01.30 | dazjorz | or check passwords against PAM? |
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| 11:02.01 | petemc | cantido: exim will use whatever the output of hostname -f is |
| 11:02.11 | cantido | petemc: ok, I'll check that out |
| 11:02.15 | petemc | unless primary_hostname is set to something else |
| 11:02.41 | cantido | petemc: hostname -f is localhost... mm |
| 11:03.18 | petemc | 1.2.3.4 foo.bar.com foo |
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| 11:03.28 | cantido | petemc: ah, /etc/hostname is xzy and xzy is against 127.0.0.1 in hosts |
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| 11:04.51 | cantido | hostname: Unknown host .. woops heh |
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| 11:06.10 | lassiethebrave | So I'm trying to mount the file system on a Sony Ericsson k530i phone and the system insists on making this an ethernet device no matter what 'mode' I choose on the phone... dmesg is at http://pastebin.com/m491f9e6a. please help? |
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| 11:07.31 | Gr33n3gg | Mount the file system, eh? Why not mount /dev/<device> ? |
| 11:07.32 | bzed | lassiethebrave: [ 2270.540988] sd 5:0:0:0: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 11:07.37 | dazjorz | debug3: PAM: do_pam_account pam_acct_mgmt = 9 (Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.) |
| 11:07.47 | dazjorz | so non-root cannot read from PAM? How do I turn this off in this sshd? |
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| 11:08.03 | dazjorz | oh got it - UsePAM no |
| 11:08.28 | bzed | lassiethebrave: so mount /dev/sde and be happy? |
| 11:08.36 | lassiethebrave | bzed: I am aware of this... |
| 11:08.45 | bzed | so what's the problem? |
| 11:09.29 | lassiethebrave | bzed: and mounting /dev/sde dopes not work, I get the error: no medium found. |
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| 11:10.15 | Gr33n3gg | lassiethebrave: Use fdisk -l and find your phone, then mount it. |
| 11:10.15 | cantido | mmm vserver is more trouble than it's worth |
| 11:10.19 | bzed | lassiethebrave: hmm. according to the log it says that sde is a memory stick reader |
| 11:10.25 | cahoot | sde1? |
| 11:10.49 | bzed | lassiethebrave: so do you have a memory stick or something similar in your phone? |
| 11:11.11 | bzed | lassiethebrave: if so, use fdisk -l /dev/sde to figure out if there're partitions on the device |
| 11:11.24 | lassiethebrave | Gr33n3gg: You mean fdisk -l /dev/sde? It gives no output. |
| 11:11.38 | Gr33n3gg | no, just fdisk -l |
| 11:11.41 | lassiethebrave | bzed: It seems there are not |
| 11:12.08 | lassiethebrave | Gr33n3gg: well that only shows me the partitions of my internal harddrive. |
| 11:12.19 | bzed | lassiethebrave: so do you have some storage device in your phone? |
| 11:12.39 | bzed | lassiethebrave: the internal memory is not accessible as disk usually |
| 11:12.54 | cantido | bzed: I think the problem is that the wrong USB configuration is getting seleced.. |
| 11:12.57 | lassiethebrave | bzed: indeed, (a 2G memory stick thinghy...) |
| 11:13.03 | Gr33n3gg | lassiethebrave: What I meant was identify the right drive for you phone, then mount it if you can. |
| 11:13.24 | bzed | cantido: then the device should not pop up in theory... |
| 11:13.41 | bzed | but I don';t know what the sony things are doing... |
| 11:13.51 | SQlvpapir | I'd like to recieve an email whenever a machines wan ip changes. anyone has tips/script for this already? |
| 11:14.12 | cantido | bzed: he said its coming up as an ethernet device or something even if he selects data transfer mode on the phone |
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| 11:14.38 | Gr33n3gg | SQlvpapir: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2004102508055243&query=checkip.dyndns |
| 11:15.03 | bzed | cantido: that's not a problem |
| 11:15.07 | cantido | lassiethebrave: can you paste the dmesg output somewhere?... i.e. insert the device and paste all the output from there on? |
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| 11:15.20 | bzed | cantido: he pasted it already... |
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| 11:15.35 | cantido | bzed: just seen |
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| 11:16.36 | cantido | so its seeing a CDC profile and a mass storage one.. at the same time |
| 11:17.15 | bzed | in theory that shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:17.16 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: I've got it! |
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| 11:17.20 | lassiethebrave | cantido: http://pastebin.com/m491f9e6a It's all there (from connect and onwards.) |
| 11:17.31 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: It checks /usr/bin/X11/xauth, but xauth is in /usr/bin! |
| 11:17.35 | cantido | the device scan found no partitions though, and didn't report the media size |
| 11:17.55 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: also, Debian Bug #504757 would have made fixing this problem much easier |
| 11:17.59 | bzed | cantido: like a empty memory stick reader.. |
| 11:18.30 | cantido | bzed: or a memory stick reader attached via broken phone firmware |
| 11:18.34 | bzed | :D |
| 11:18.53 | cantido | bzed: if its showing two devices... shouldn't it also show a hub or something? |
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| 11:19.02 | lassiethebrave | cantido, bzed: hang on whilst I check wheter *the phone* can find it's memory stick (heh.....) |
| 11:19.06 | bzed | .oO(a broken memory stick in a broken phone with broken firmware)Pp. |
| 11:19.31 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: hrm... either /usr/bin/X11/auth or /usr/bin/xauth should work |
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| 11:19.34 | bzed | lassiethebrave: if the phone is still accessing the stick... there's no chance that the computer can mount it |
| 11:19.54 | bzed | cantido: not sure, my usb floppy also shows up as 4 usb scsi devices without a hub |
| 11:19.58 | bzed | usb is weird :D |
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| 11:21.00 | lassiethebrave | bzed: congratulations it seems the stick was quite ready for hardware heaven testing with another stick worked.. (thank you all!) |
| 11:21.01 | cantido | bzed: true.. my multicard read does that too, I wouldn't have thought the ttyACM device and the memory card reader on the phone would work at the same time though |
| 11:21.02 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: I don't have /usr/bin/X11 |
| 11:21.06 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: esp. since xauth et al. depends on x11-common and /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin |
| 11:21.42 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: x11-common is installed, and so is xbase-clients, and /usr/bin/X11 does not exist |
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| 11:21.45 | dazjorz | symlinking then |
| 11:21.45 | lassiethebrave | cantido: I too am surprised at this. |
| 11:22.06 | dondelelcaro | dazjorz: if /usr/bin/X11 does not exist, reinstall x11-common |
| 11:22.10 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: looks like it works! |
| 11:22.12 | dazjorz | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 11:22.29 | cantido | using the GPS + any other function at the same time makes my phone crash :/ |
| 11:22.30 | dacer | hi anyone know if gspca module (webcam) accept any parameter to force resolution? |
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| 11:22.42 | cantido | dacer: modinfo |
| 11:22.54 | cantido | dacer: or something along those lines,. |
| 11:23.29 | cantido | yar, tis modinfo |
| 11:23.58 | Gr33n3gg | omg i think i just came in my pants |
| 11:23.59 | Gr33n3gg | it works |
| 11:24.00 | Gr33n3gg | finally |
| 11:24.05 | dacer | cantido, ok modinfo show a lot of info, but not sure how to use it |
| 11:24.16 | cantido | dacer: if its v4l though, you should be able to select the res from your v4l client |
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| 11:25.04 | dacer | yes, a lot of app works fine, but flash player 10 alpha amd64, only works with 320x240 |
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| 11:25.36 | cantido | dacer: thats the resolution flash is asking the camera for then |
| 11:26.09 | dacer | cantido, yes, but I get to force to 640x480 maybe flash use it |
| 11:26.32 | dacer | cantido, maybe next flash player releases solve it |
| 11:27.23 | cantido | dacer: I don't think you can force it though.. not from the module anyhow |
| 11:27.47 | dacer | cantido, ok thanks |
| 11:28.06 | dacer | cantido I will search a little, maybe I get some |
| 11:28.11 | dacer | thanks anyway |
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| 11:33.44 | amitz | in http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apds03.html.en#id2862323 , I'm at "Create device files". How to create device file using udev. The info in internet is somewhat vague. Thanks in advance. |
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| 11:37.49 | valdyn | !wayttd amitz |
| 11:37.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, amitz? |
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| 11:39.55 | amitz | I want to follow to install debian using debootstrap. But the instruction in http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apds03.html.en requires me generating /dev. One of the option of generating /dev is using udev. But I don't how the command line. |
| 11:41.05 | cantido | OpenLDAP Q;If I configure a second db in the my slapd.conf.. will the db get created automatically or do I have to run something like with indexes? |
| 11:42.43 | amitz | I want to to install debian using debootstrap based on instruction in http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apds03.html.en#id2862323 . The required step is generating /dev. Debian lenny seems to use udev so I want to use udev too to generate /dev. What is the command line to use udev? |
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| 11:43.25 | cantido | has never needed to create /dev with a debootstrap install.. |
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| 11:43.38 | Maulkin | !repeat |
| 11:43.41 | Maulkin | !ping |
| 11:43.43 | Maulkin | bah |
| 11:44.16 | amitz | cantido: I want to eventually boot from that debootstrap installation. |
| 11:45.00 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:45.01 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:45.33 | cantido | amitz: yeah, I do debootstrap installs on remote machines pretty often, never created /dev manually |
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| 11:46.15 | marsje | Hi. Does anyone has any clue was this means (after a reboot in my kern.log): sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA |
| 11:47.06 | cantido | marsje: that the drive/hardware don't support DPO or FUA.. whatever those are |
| 11:47.22 | simonrvn | kinda obvious, heh |
| 11:47.33 | cantido | simonrvn: indeed |
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| 11:47.51 | cantido | marsje: I see that on all my boxes I think... not something to worry about(tm) |
| 11:47.52 | amitz | cantido: I had force to not generating /udev . But while I'm in chroot of that debootstrap installation, I can't grub-install that debootstrap installation since there is no related /dev. what am I doing wrong? |
| 11:48.39 | marsje | cantido: well, the thing is that fsck ran, and it found errors, unreadable sectors, so I was wondering if it was related |
| 11:49.05 | marsje | cantido: unfortunately the fsck log got overwritten... |
| 11:49.44 | cantido | marsje: if there are hardware errors you'd see a lot of output in dmesg |
| 11:49.51 | amitz | cantido: I had followed the instruction from http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apds03.html.en . |
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| 11:50.52 | cantido | amitz: a static dev should be present in your chroot... you're probably missing some devices nodes... if you go to dev in your chroot is anything there? |
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| 11:53.37 | amitz | cantido: it exists. But I just realized the possible reason.. the debootstrap installation is on external harddrive. There is no entry of hdx or sdx. Do I need to create such entry manually? What's to google? |
| 11:53.43 | marsje | cantido: I don't see many errors... Anyway, the server had not rebooted for a few months, so I have no idea weather these fs errors were caused long ago, or weather it has to do with the biod upgrade I did last night |
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| 11:54.42 | cantido | amitz: if you mount /proc and /sysfs you should be able to run udev, otherwise you could use MAKDEV to create the nodes you need |
| 11:56.38 | marsje | cantido: I see another weird error: "WARNING: at net/ipv4/tcp_input.c:1675 tcp_enter_frto()" |
| 11:56.41 | marsje | Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 |
| 11:56.56 | marsje | how cryptic can you make it... ;-) |
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| 11:58.00 | cantido | marsje: cryptic or not, the error clearly says nothing about disk errors |
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| 11:59.19 | marsje | cantido: since you also have this message about DPO/FUA not being supported, I have no clues left to find out what went wrong... I guess I leave it then, since everything seems to be running fine now |
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| 11:59.57 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know what these .onion addresses are? |
| 12:00.02 | marsje | cantido: the other message is related to the TCP/IP stack... it looks bad because the warning is followed by something that looks like a stacktrace |
| 12:00.16 | cantido | marsje: well, if you're worried schedule a fsck for the next reboot and do a reboot |
| 12:00.56 | marsje | cantido: that may be a good idea... how can I schedule a fsck at reboot? |
| 12:01.11 | cantido | marsje: what fs is it? |
| 12:01.52 | marsje | cantido: I use ext3 on all partitions, with underneath raid1 and logical volumes... |
| 12:02.30 | marsje | cantido: the disk error happened on a non-raid partition by the way |
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| 12:03.17 | cantido | marsje: is it one your can umount and fsck> |
| 12:03.18 | pa7iQ | hi my problem is that the front panel (hdaudio, realtek alc662, snd_hda_intel) microphone is extremely soft/silent. using the backpanel microphone connector the volume is loud enough. there is no "mic boost" option inthe volume control. what's with the front panel , can anybody help ? |
| 12:03.55 | marsje | cantido: yup, that's possible |
| 12:03.59 | cantido | marsje: s/your/you/ |
| 12:04.12 | marsje | cantido: the non-raid part is used for non-important stuff |
| 12:04.17 | cantido | marsje: probably worth just umounting it and fscking it then |
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| 12:04.45 | cantido | marsje: if there are proper hardware errors you should see lots of stuff about it in dmesg |
| 12:04.46 | marsje | cantido: but if it's a hardware problem, then of course all partitions could be affected |
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| 12:05.30 | marsje | cantido: I'll do a fsck again now |
| 12:06.02 | dutchfish | hi marcel |
| 12:06.13 | marsje | dutchfish: hoi :) |
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| 12:06.45 | dustybin | what device name is usually given to a cd/dvd rom? |
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| 12:07.55 | dutchfish | dustybin, you mean by automount? |
| 12:08.08 | dustybin | i thought it would exist in /dev somewhere? |
| 12:08.10 | dutchfish | dustybin, /mnt/media or /mnt/cd0 |
| 12:08.12 | dustybin | then all i do is mount it |
| 12:08.14 | cantido | dustybin: device node is usually hd? |
| 12:09.01 | dustybin | dutchfish: what happens if i dont use automount? |
| 12:09.01 | dustybin | can a mount /dev/blabla /mnt/mount |
| 12:09.02 | dustybin | *i |
| 12:09.02 | dutchfish | dustybin, you have to mount then like /dev/scd0 (sata) or something like that |
| 12:09.02 | cantido | dustybin: if /mnt/mount exists, yes |
| 12:09.13 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 12:09.18 | dutchfish | dustybin, fdisk -l ? |
| 12:09.22 | dustybin | mines ide, so i imagine it will be hdc ? |
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| 12:09.45 | cantido | dustybin: if your other stuff is SATA it might be hda.. |
| 12:10.06 | dutchfish | dustybin, more likely then /dev/hdc0 or so |
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| 12:10.12 | cantido | dustybin: sata drives come up as scsi cdroms? cool |
| 12:10.17 | marsje | cantido: when I unmount it says the device it's busy... how can I see what is still being used? Could it be the nfs process? |
| 12:10.19 | dutchfish | dustybin, depend son kernel |
| 12:10.30 | dustybin | oh ok thanks for help :) |
| 12:10.48 | cantido | dustybin: sorry, that was for dutchfish |
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| 12:10.58 | dutchfish | gotcha np |
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| 12:11.21 | cantido | dustybin: Since when has an ide cdrom appeared as hd?[0-9] ?? |
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| 12:11.36 | marsje | cantido: it was nfs :) |
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| 12:11.57 | cantido | marsje: ok, you won't see errors locally then |
| 12:13.53 | dutchfish | dustybin, sorry was only just awake: dmesg grep dvd |
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| 12:15.01 | dustybin | dutchfish: that didnt report anything |
| 12:15.14 | prxtien | ive got a process i cant kill, kill -9 or killall -9 name doesnt seem to kill it, can anyone give me suggestions please |
| 12:15.16 | dutchfish | dustybin, sorry again dmesg | grep dvd |
| 12:15.35 | dutchfish | dustybin, dmesg should have reported it |
| 12:15.47 | dustybin | nope nothing |
| 12:15.52 | dustybin | ill insert a dvd |
| 12:15.53 | dustybin | hold on |
| 12:15.54 | dutchfish | dustybin, that is, if it was a dvd |
| 12:16.51 | dutchfish | dustybin, if very new kernel try dmesg | grep sr |
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| 12:17.50 | dustybin | dutchfish: nothing reported with either |
| 12:18.08 | dutchfish | dustybin, what kernel? |
| 12:18.13 | dustybin | Hostname: private - OS: Linux 2.6.26-1-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.218 MHz) - Processes: 163 - Uptime: 9h 47m - Load Average: 1.30 - Memory Usage: 320.68MB/1011.42MB (31.71%) - Disk Usage: 527.28GB/931.50GB (56.61%) |
| 12:18.22 | amitz | cantido: certain complications due to wrong sequence of step.. I'll just start from scratch. got to go, thanks. |
| 12:18.24 | dustybin | the player works as mythtv plays back the film ok |
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| 12:19.25 | dutchfish | dustybin, mm.. you could of coarse dmesg | less and look it up |
| 12:19.36 | dutchfish | dustybin, must be in there |
| 12:19.47 | dustybin | ok frank :) |
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| 12:22.15 | dustybin | ohhhhhh |
| 12:22.15 | dutchfish | cantido, in 2.6.28 dvd/cd are now in form of sr[x] as device name |
| 12:22.16 | dustybin | 5.637729] hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 12:22.20 | dustybin | 'DVD' caps! |
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| 12:22.23 | dustybin | thanks :) |
| 12:22.34 | dutchfish | the explains |
| 12:22.40 | dutchfish | good |
| 12:22.49 | dustybin | so mount /dev/hdc /mount/point should work |
| 12:22.56 | dustybin | i wonder how mythtv mounted it |
| 12:23.08 | dutchfish | dustybin, in iso format prolly |
| 12:23.15 | dustybin | ok frank |
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| 12:23.38 | cantido | dutchfish: ok, but theres no .28 in debian yet is there? |
| 12:23.42 | dustybin | its not in /media/cdrom |
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| 12:24.29 | dutchfish | cantido, right, i just start using it because i needed some new hardware drivers |
| 12:24.47 | dustybin | Mythtv is playing a film, however, mount | grep hdc shows nothing? so maybe mythtv doesnt mount it? how odd |
| 12:24.51 | dutchfish | cantido, and ported some debina patches for it already |
| 12:24.57 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
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| 12:25.31 | dutchfish | dustybin, mount should reveal that |
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| 12:26.31 | marsje | cantido: disk is clean, but this is what I expected since I already did fsck it when the problem occured (and fixed (?) all the problems) |
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| 12:27.24 | dutchfish | marsje, nfs3? export clause ok? |
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| 12:27.53 | marsje | dutchfish: what is ok? |
| 12:28.03 | marsje | dutchfish: it works :) |
| 12:28.08 | dutchfish | marsje, you head problems with a nfs share? |
| 12:28.23 | dutchfish | s/head/had |
| 12:28.32 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:29.01 | marsje | dutchfish: nfs was keeping a device busy that I wanted to unmount to do a fsck |
| 12:29.18 | dutchfish | marsje, ah ok |
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| 12:32.45 | marsje | there was another question in my mind, but I lost it.... bad blocks in my brain.... |
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| 12:33.10 | ericpersson | java applets doesnt work in epiphany for me.. |
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| 12:33.19 | dutchfish | marsje, fsck ;) |
| 12:33.23 | ericpersson | how can I fix that? I downloaded the jre.. |
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| 12:34.06 | cantido | ericpersson: does epiphany support it? I think for moz there is a browser plugin that you also need |
| 12:34.28 | dutchfish | ericpersson, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/browserplugins.htm |
| 12:35.16 | ericpersson | cantido: got it working in firefox, |
| 12:35.29 | ericpersson | dutchfish: thanks, will have a look |
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| 12:36.30 | Macjust | Hello, I have a server in a datacenter when i zonecheck i have this error Root-servers IP addresses are not consistent with ICANN, the problem is a config error in my server or a problem of datacenter ? |
| 12:36.32 | dutchfish | ericpersson, that works also for 1.6 |
| 12:37.12 | dutchfish | Macjust, did you check the whois of that domain? |
| 12:37.15 | valdyn | Macjust: whatever nameserver zonecheck is accessing |
| 12:37.41 | ericpersson | dutchfish: it worked, just to simple.. ;) |
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| 12:37.50 | dutchfish | ericpersson, there you go ;) |
| 12:37.53 | Macjust | last server i have not this problem |
| 12:37.59 | Macjust | with the same config zone file |
| 12:38.09 | valdyn | Macjust: /etc/bind/db.root |
| 12:38.44 | dutchfish | ericpersson, is its whois poiting to the right nameservers and are both giving consistent query answers? |
| 12:39.22 | valdyn | Macjust: root servers change over time |
| 12:39.46 | Macjust | I am not good in DNS so what do i must change ? |
| 12:39.52 | dutchfish | ericpersson, just check with dig @ns[x]-adress -t NS [domainname] |
| 12:40.01 | Macjust | (I am not good in english too) |
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| 12:40.24 | mallxs | good afternoon |
| 12:40.34 | valdyn | Macjust: you should look up details too btw |
| 12:40.50 | valdyn | Macjust: in that error message |
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| 12:41.21 | valdyn | Macjust: you dont have to fix this error at all probably |
| 12:41.46 | ericpersson | dutchfish: guess you are talking to the wrong person here.. |
| 12:42.03 | dutchfish | ericpersson, yes, sorry |
| 12:42.05 | Macjust | I don't understand :p |
| 12:42.38 | valdyn | Macjust: the error message is alot longer than just what you posted here |
| 12:42.45 | valdyn | Macjust: the other stuff is not irrelevant |
| 12:43.16 | mallxs | if would lke to put a extra disk in my debian box and start a new install on that disk to make it later my only and boot disk of the system ...... howdo start a install on that disk while running from the old disk |
| 12:43.41 | simonrvn | !debootstrap |
| 12:43.41 | dpkg | [debootstrap] <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 12:43.47 | simonrvn | mallxs: ^^^ |
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| 12:43.52 | mallxs | thx |
| 12:43.54 | Macjust | I have an idea |
| 12:44.00 | Macjust | I phone to the datacenter |
| 12:44.05 | Macjust | and ask for help |
| 12:44.16 | simonrvn | mallxs: just an aptitude install away |
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| 12:46.05 | dutchfish | simonrvn, if he himself has to put in the extra spindle he might as well use the normal installer |
| 12:46.34 | simonrvn | up to him, but good point. |
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| 12:51.11 | dutchfish | still is fighting with hairpulling moinmoin stuff |
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| 13:01.21 | dutchfish | simonrvn, do you know if an old root.db in bind9 is handled by debian updates? |
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| 13:02.34 | dutchfish | simonrvn, or will it be stalled to the next fix? |
| 13:03.14 | Tekno | hello |
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| 13:03.34 | Tekno | how can i make my external monitor to get non standard resolution |
| 13:03.49 | Tekno | xrandr forgets it everytime |
| 13:03.54 | Heller_Barde | hi |
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| 13:04.36 | dutchfish | simonrvn, slap me, its dynamic but not automatic by default |
| 13:05.17 | Heller_Barde | I have a little trouble getting my mplayer to play xvid encoded avi files... they all result in either a green or a pink screen. does anybody know what might be the problem. i have the ffmpeg package which should include the libavcodec which in turn should support xvid. am i mistaken? |
| 13:05.43 | Heller_Barde | here are some question marks i forgot in the previous line: ??? |
| 13:05.54 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, did you use mulmedia in repos? if yes, i had to revert back to the debian ones, its their bug |
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| 13:06.02 | Heller_Barde | dutchfish: i didnt |
| 13:06.09 | dutchfish | s/mulmedia/multimedia |
| 13:06.30 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, on lenny? |
| 13:06.35 | Heller_Barde | oh and i use lenny. right i totally forgot |
| 13:07.04 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, hold on i hand you a link wich explains how to fix |
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| 13:07.17 | Heller_Barde | dutchfish: that would be awesome |
| 13:08.10 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/vlc-conflict-debian-lenny-and-debian-multimedia/start (but check the versions first) it looks like a simlular problem i had on a few machines |
| 13:08.44 | Heller_Barde | dutchfish: i'll look at it and report of my success. thank you, sir |
| 13:08.50 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, make sure you have no foreign debian packages of those |
| 13:09.01 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, yw |
| 13:09.25 | Heller_Barde | I use pure debian lenny (until now anyway) |
| 13:09.41 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, also clear ~/.vlc dir before starting vlc again |
| 13:10.27 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, use also the output box from vlc or start from commandline to see if it is related |
| 13:10.58 | Heller_Barde | it's a mouseless box ^^ |
| 13:11.07 | Heller_Barde | only commandline |
| 13:11.16 | Heller_Barde | ah and keyboardless |
| 13:11.19 | Heller_Barde | :) |
| 13:11.23 | Heller_Barde | i ssh in |
| 13:11.46 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, happy bughunting |
| 13:11.49 | Heller_Barde | thx |
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| 13:15.49 | Heller_Barde | ahah.. no bug in the codecs. only problem with video output. if i put -V x11 to my commandline, it works like a champ |
| 13:15.51 | Heller_Barde | :D |
| 13:16.03 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, oki |
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| 13:17.41 | enouf | not -vo ? |
| 13:18.00 | enouf | you should be using xv when you can, afaik |
| 13:18.30 | dutchfish | enouf, specially with the new intel gem code ;) |
| 13:18.40 | enouf | oh dear .. heh |
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| 13:20.23 | dutchfish | enouf, http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges |
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| 13:23.17 | Heller_Barde | enouf: if xv does not work? :) and with vlc its -V, with mplayer its -vo, yes |
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| 13:30.42 | Heller_Barde | hmmm but my little machine really hits it's upper limit with decoding this stuff |
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| 13:30.58 | fantomas | Hello. General multiscreens question. I have 2 monitors enabled, each having separate set of desktops (4 on each monitor). Is there a way to 'send' a window to another screen? Gnome here |
| 13:31.03 | Heller_Barde | do you know which codec is the easiest on the resources? |
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| 13:32.14 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, you mean by which, any? |
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| 13:33.33 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, for low grade mp4 for high grade mp2 maybe |
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| 13:33.58 | dutchfish | Heller_Barde, the most compressing ones use the most resources |
| 13:34.14 | fantomas | One more question - is about E17. Recently I got it from CVS and built like it was described in a howto. After logging in into E17 for the first time I was confused - either my expectations were wrong or something went wrong while building. Please look at this: http://onlinedisk.ru/view/57272 - a screenshot. Is it ok? |
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| 13:34.51 | wp | suphp is not available for php5, are there other ways to setup shared hosting with separate uid's on apache? |
| 13:35.10 | fantomas | E17 users - why do you like it? What is most exciting feature of it? :) |
| 13:35.19 | liable | its perty |
| 13:35.39 | fantomas | liable: you mean those fancy visual effects or more? |
| 13:36.09 | dutchfish | wp, go by suxec, you can also recompile it to should your needs |
| 13:36.20 | dutchfish | s/suxec/suexec |
| 13:36.40 | liable | fantomas: it doesnt have any fancy visual effects. its quite easy on the eyes by default though. I havent tried it for years though |
| 13:37.00 | fantomas | liable: so you aren't using atm |
| 13:37.06 | liable | nope |
| 13:37.07 | dutchfish | wp, specially for the alteration of your vhosts |
| 13:37.14 | wp | dutchfish: suexec and php? |
| 13:37.19 | dutchfish | wp, sure |
| 13:37.36 | wp | the cli version of php or something? |
| 13:37.45 | dutchfish | wp, no. not cli |
| 13:38.34 | dutchfish | wp, just php5 suexec along with fastcgi if you need |
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| 13:38.44 | fantomas | liable: because in E17 animations are turned on by default. Pretty nice |
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| 13:39.09 | wp | dutchfish: can you point me to a webpage explaining how to set it up on Etch perhaps? |
| 13:39.20 | wp | i want to get rid of suphp |
| 13:39.22 | dutchfish | wp, but it is not a out of the box concept, but more secure if done right |
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| 13:39.35 | dutchfish | wp, hold a sec |
| 13:39.44 | wp | dutchfish: i understand :) |
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| 13:40.35 | dutchfish | wp, this is not debian spicific, but you can delve into it: http://www.cosmicscripts.com/servers/suexec.html |
| 13:40.39 | wp | dutchfish: there's also an apache worker that allows it running multiple uid's, but its not very stable yet :) |
| 13:41.00 | dutchfish | wp, nope, i would not recommend that (yet) |
| 13:41.32 | dutchfish | wp, also http://www.auburn.edu/docs/apache/suexec.html |
| 13:41.32 | wp | dutchfish: how do other shared hosting company's do this? they dont care about it? :/ |
| 13:41.49 | dutchfish | wp, plesked (as an example) goes the suexec way |
| 13:42.10 | dutchfish | s/plesked/plesk |
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| 13:42.45 | dutchfish | wp, but they did suphp in older versions |
| 13:42.51 | wp | plesk also runsphp through suexec? |
| 13:43.06 | dutchfish | wp, modified version yes, you can look at there sources |
| 13:43.18 | wp | ok |
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| 13:43.35 | burdicda | Good day ..morning..evening...whatever...wherever.... |
| 13:43.56 | dutchfish | wp, i definitely go the suexec way, also it is a hairy path |
| 13:44.09 | wp | dutchfish: http://blog.chty.org/post/2007/10/28/Apache2-mod_fastcgi-suexec-on-debian-etch does that one look ok? |
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| 13:44.45 | dutchfish | wp, yes, that comes very close |
| 13:45.17 | dutchfish | wp, we need separate paths for vhosts coupled to an ftp account, so thats why |
| 13:46.08 | wp | i like the suexec idea better then suphp |
| 13:46.10 | wp | :) |
| 13:46.10 | dutchfish | wp, prfoftpd can handle chrooted user paths |
| 13:46.23 | dutchfish | wp, yep definitely |
| 13:46.26 | wp | yes, thats running fine |
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| 13:46.40 | wp | i just wondered if something else was available in the meantime other then suphp |
| 13:46.44 | dutchfish | wp, good luck |
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| 13:46.47 | wp | cause it's quite slow :) |
| 13:47.05 | dutchfish | wp, yes, suexec (if setup right) is also faster |
| 13:47.38 | wp | oki, i will try to get this running on debian. thanks for the pointers |
| 13:47.39 | wp | :) |
| 13:48.02 | dutchfish | wp, you might need to tweak apache2 for even better performance like no persitant connections etc etc and capping resources |
| 13:48.16 | dutchfish | wp, yw |
| 13:48.47 | burdicda | Running alot of audio experimentation...on a lenny box under kde using oss sound ....box seems to have a time thingee going on....maybe that kde takeover thing....anyinput anyone |
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| 13:49.10 | dutchfish | burdicda, go by alsa |
| 13:49.28 | burdicda | oh noo ....all my stuff works great in oss |
| 13:49.37 | burdicda | no workee so good under alsa |
| 13:49.47 | wp | dutchfish: yeah, this box can do 500 concurrent connections with a keepalive of 3 etc, but its going through its knees because of suphp :) |
| 13:49.59 | dutchfish | wp, bingo |
| 13:50.07 | groton | hello, i set up a rule to mount an external hd usb to /dev/lacie1, now i want to automount it, is there any easy stuff to do it other then automount? How to avoid that debian always mount this hd onto /media/disk? |
| 13:50.27 | dutchfish | wp, not to speak of security;) .... |
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| 13:51.10 | dutchfish | groton, autofs ? |
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| 13:51.12 | burdicda | just seems to be a haunting going on with that "auto-suspend" in kde sound manager and kde |
| 13:51.25 | bjorkLinux | there's something weird going on with ssh... |
| 13:51.38 | bjorkLinux | i can log in fine from two other machines into this one... |
| 13:51.47 | groton | dutchfish, yes, ok, i will use automount and not any gui stuff if this does not exist. What about the auto mounting on /media/disk? |
| 13:51.57 | burdicda | random ghosting haha....sometimes works .... sometimes does not work....problem won't stand still |
| 13:51.58 | bjorkLinux | but the other machine sitting next to it is unable to connect or be connected to from this one! |
| 13:52.03 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 13:52.03 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 13:52.17 | wp | dutchfish: indeed :P |
| 13:52.23 | asg | bjorkLinux: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 13:52.37 | groton | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 13:52.37 | dpkg | methinks gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works |
| 13:52.40 | burdicda | I'll play somemore....alot of problems are solved by asking othes...then you see your own answers..... |
| 13:52.43 | bjorkLinux | asg ssh works fine with this machine, to and from, on another box. |
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| 13:53.01 | bjorkLinux | it doesn't work between this box and my OTHER box. |
| 13:53.23 | bjorkLinux | number 3 fails to connect to this one. |
| 13:53.32 | bjorkLinux | and this fails to connect to number 3. |
| 13:53.45 | bjorkLinux | but everything's fine between number 1 and this. and number 1 and number 3. |
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| 14:01.08 | bjorkLinux | i can hear the crickets. |
| 14:01.38 | asg | bjorkLinux: you've been told how to start debugging |
| 14:01.52 | dutchfish | bjorkLinux, have you took a peak at its logs? |
| 14:01.53 | bjorkLinux | i already did that. |
| 14:02.14 | bjorkLinux | i saw nothing useful. |
| 14:02.49 | asg | bjorkLinux: pastbin the output of ssh -vv me@server |
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| 14:02.57 | mallxs | what partition type do i take for a std etx3 fs ? |
| 14:03.20 | mallxs | is that Linux extended C7 ? |
| 14:03.21 | dutchfish | mallxs, -t ext3 |
| 14:03.55 | mallxs | dutchfish: i'm still in partition mode :-) |
| 14:04.20 | dutchfish | mallxs, you mean what is the best fs for / ? |
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| 14:05.29 | asg | mallxs: you want partition type 83 (Linux) |
| 14:05.39 | mallxs | ok |
| 14:06.33 | bjorkLinux | asg http://pastebin.ca/1295126 |
| 14:07.35 | asg | bjorkLinux: are the boxes that work together also freebsd boxes? |
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| 14:07.58 | bjorkLinux | yes. but this box and the other freebsd box work fine. |
| 14:08.15 | bjorkLinux | this is an imac running debian |
| 14:09.31 | asg | bjorkLinux: anything in the FreeBSD logs? What are the permissions of /home/bjork on the FreeBSD box? |
| 14:09.50 | bjorkLinux | it's not on right now but it belongs to the user. |
| 14:09.56 | bjorkLinux | i didn't do anything exotic to it. |
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| 14:10.35 | mallxs | bjorkLinux: can you show the version of openSSL on the bsd machine ? |
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| 14:11.05 | bjorkLinux | openssh_4.5p1 |
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| 14:11.34 | bjorkLinux | the one on this machine is 4.3 |
| 14:12.24 | Gun_Smoke | How's virtualbox doing in lenny? |
| 14:14.08 | bjorkLinux | eh. openssl on both are 0.9.8 |
| 14:14.28 | lostson | i assume its doing well but it is cold and flu season ya know |
| 14:14.54 | Gun_Smoke | hear ya.. |
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| 14:16.42 | mallxs | bjorkLinux: did you intent to have the /home/bjork/.ssh/identity iow did you intent to exchange key's ? |
| 14:17.10 | bjorkLinux | mallxs, i purged all of those things, and started from scratch a few seconds ago. |
| 14:17.15 | bjorkLinux | nothing still. |
| 14:17.39 | mallxs | but your debug should look different now |
| 14:18.12 | bjorkLinux | n/m the bloody thing works now. |
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| 14:18.18 | mallxs | ok |
| 14:18.19 | bjorkLinux | i just updated ssh |
| 14:18.29 | mallxs | on what machine ? |
| 14:18.45 | bjorkLinux | OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-4, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 |
| 14:18.49 | bjorkLinux | on this one. |
| 14:18.58 | bjorkLinux | never had problems with the bsd version. |
| 14:19.19 | mallxs | He aslong as the match its ok |
| 14:19.40 | mallxs | the~ they |
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| 14:20.28 | bjorkLinux | i lied. connection to this box from the bsd box is still not happening. |
| 14:20.37 | bjorkLinux | i'm going to try updating ssh on there as well. |
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| 14:22.08 | mallxs | bjorkLinux: If you switch ip numbers or hostnames then you should clean your .ssh dir |
| 14:22.11 | Ryoohki | did someone experience the problem that while using ldap for authentication the gnome logon manager wont load? |
| 14:23.14 | mallxs | dutchfish: what type of fs do you use for the / |
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| 14:23.53 | EmleyMoor | I am down now to only one reason to need a chroot - and it might help if I could make a fresh one |
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| 14:34.01 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way to configure Iceweasel to call on mplayer for Real media content? |
| 14:35.08 | bjorkLinux | isn't it default? |
| 14:35.22 | asg | EmleyMoor: the 'Content' tab in preferences perhaps? |
| 14:35.36 | EmleyMoor | I will see what it does |
| 14:37.48 | EmleyMoor | asg: Applications more like - and I'm not sure how it's working out that there is a specified app... |
| 14:38.45 | EmleyMoor | I can play Windows Media content OK# |
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| 14:40.03 | EmleyMoor | Sorted now... |
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| 14:44.26 | EmleyMoor | gmplayer would be better but an error pops up - a demux error - it doesn't stay but I am wondering if I can inhibit it |
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| 14:45.09 | dob1 | hi, why every time i use apt-get update i get this error and i have to re-run apt-get update to resolve it? http://rafb.net/p/P9PgcI42.html it is not a problem, but it's strange, every time i run it and there is something to update |
| 14:45.23 | dob1 | the key-ring it's ok |
| 14:46.08 | EmleyMoor | Error! demux_real: invalid chunksize! (0) |
| 14:46.12 | asg | dob1: verify that you have gpgv installed |
| 14:46.21 | EmleyMoor | Also, play of streams is jerky |
| 14:46.39 | dob1 | asg: yes it is installed |
| 14:47.03 | dob1 | asg: i have 2 debian system and it happens every time on the 2 system, if there is something in the repository that it is changed |
| 14:47.26 | dob1 | to resolte it is simple, i re-run apt-get update, but just to understand |
| 14:47.31 | dob1 | *resolve |
| 14:47.35 | EmleyMoor | Works for Radio 2 and 4 but not 1 or 3 |
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| 14:48.20 | EmleyMoor | Doesn't play .ram playlists |
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| 14:49.11 | lordnazgul | writing a simple shell script was wondering if it was possible to redirect stderr to a variable instead of redirecting to a file and having to read it back in? |
| 14:49.41 | bjorkLinux | EmleyMoor, why not just use realplayer? |
| 14:49.42 | asg | lordnazgul: #bash will know |
| 14:49.58 | lordnazgul | thanks asg |
| 14:50.05 | bjorkLinux | bah. |
| 14:50.12 | EmleyMoor | bjorkLinux: No 64-bit native available |
| 14:50.13 | bjorkLinux | this is too weird. whatever the problem was, it's gone! |
| 14:50.31 | bjorkLinux | EmleyMoor, do you have all the newest codecs then? |
| 14:50.37 | EmleyMoor | mplayer is fine but no control if called from firefox |
| 14:50.46 | EmleyMoor | w64codecs are installed |
| 14:50.51 | bjorkLinux | mplayer-plugin too? |
| 14:51.05 | asg | dob1: you could strace(1) the process to see if anything more reasonable that 'unknown error' is revealed |
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| 14:52.11 | turneralex | heyy, im setting up a software raid array with mdadm using 44 drives, and i get a "invalid number of raid devices" error. is there a max drive number hard coded into mdadm? |
| 14:52.22 | EmleyMoor | Installing mozilla-mplayer to see if it helps |
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| 14:53.38 | hoxu | hmm, if you have NTP installed, will 2008-12-31 23:59:59 last for two seconds? :P |
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| 14:54.08 | asg | hoxu: it will but you'll never know it |
| 14:54.26 | EmleyMoor | That helps :-) |
| 14:54.38 | hoxu | asg, not even if I keep staring the clock? :p |
| 14:55.07 | asg | hoxu: you'll blink at the right moment and miss it |
| 14:55.49 | asg | hoxu: actually, it's possible there will be a message in /var/log/syslog about it |
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| 14:56.06 | EmleyMoor | intends to listen to the radio - 7-pip time signal! |
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| 14:57.07 | hoxu | asg, so it's that one second that is twice as long, the time won't just be moved forward by a second sometime later? |
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| 15:05.59 | Jemt | Is it me, or is '/msg dpkg nvidia pre-built' leaving out something? I am supposed to build the nvidia kernel module using ie Module Assistent, am I not? |
| 15:06.01 | Jemt | !nvidia pre-built |
| 15:06.01 | dpkg | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). |
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| 15:12.28 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 15:12.38 | mynullvoid | I am setting up my submission for my postfix since the isp block port 25; in the firewall rules do I need to open 587 tcp alone or along with 587 udp? |
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| 15:14.19 | asg | mynullvoid: tcp alone should be sufficient. |
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| 15:26.57 | X1938 | is back... with no solution :D |
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| 15:28.06 | X1938 | would it be possible to remove cron rules using a bash script ? |
| 15:28.40 | nkuttler | X1938: man 1 crontab |
| 15:28.54 | X1938 | :/ |
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| 15:29.02 | nkuttler | X1938: sure |
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| 15:32.31 | X1938 | damn , this seems like its not going to work :( |
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| 15:34.04 | X1938 | lets say i need to remove a cron rule in 1 month from now |
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| 15:34.30 | X1938 | but to do that i would need to add a rule for the bash file to cron |
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| 15:35.01 | nkuttler | X1938: hm? lots of ways to do this |
| 15:35.40 | asg | X1938: put the rule in a file in /etc/cron.d with the appropriate times and syntax. Create a cron entry to remove said file in one month. |
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| 15:36.27 | X1938 | asg : that only sounds simple. hehe |
| 15:36.32 | X1938 | im sure. |
| 15:36.34 | nkuttler | X1938: remove it forever or do you need it again the next year? |
| 15:37.18 | X1938 | the problem with the way i was thinking about it is that if the server goes down the bash file would start again using cron |
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| 15:37.31 | X1938 | but with another starting date |
| 15:37.50 | X1938 | so with a lot of downtimes the con rule would stay for ever |
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| 15:38.20 | asg | X1938: if the system won't run 24/7, install anacron to take care of running jobs that should have run during the downtime period |
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| 15:39.06 | Skapare | liable: I have found even lower price for 16GB USB flash stick: $45 ... should make a great tool for carrying around a complete "install anything" Debian distribution |
| 15:39.42 | xand | I'm trying to use cryptsetup on a USB harddisk/partition, but get this error: "Command failed: Can not access device" after confirming I want to go ahead... ideas? The device name is correct (/dev/sdc1) |
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| 15:39.58 | amitz | Skapare: be careful of fraud stuff though... I was bitten once. |
| 15:40.33 | Skapare | amitz: these are Sandisk ones in Radioshack store ... if they turn out to be fraud I know where to go |
| 15:40.34 | X1938 | Skapare : if thats made in china dont buy it . |
| 15:40.54 | Skapare | X1938: everything is made in china :) |
| 15:41.32 | Skapare | now all I need to do is write up replacement docs for the debian install manual USB booting section |
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| 15:42.16 | Skapare | but I have to figure out debian for that ... maybe the project to do next month |
| 15:42.37 | X1938 | i've seen a chinese made "16 gb usb stick" but it was only 512 mbs in reality |
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| 15:42.47 | X1938 | and has Sony printed on it |
| 15:43.30 | X1938 | with a big "16GB" printed also. |
| 15:43.34 | amitz | Skapare: well, if the price:size ratio is too good to be true, always test by copying X bytes up to capacity, then read those x bytes. The fraud is quite sophisticated, that is fdisk always report the size to be faulty. |
| 15:43.39 | Jemt | Will the NVidia Legacy drivers from Etch work on Lenny ? |
| 15:43.42 | Skapare | X1938: and the first thing I do with a new USB stick is dump the entire contents onto disk (compressed of course) to keep a copy of what the original had |
| 15:44.11 | Skapare | X1938: then I dd it to zero and repartition and reformat ... so I'll find out quick enough its real capacoty |
| 15:44.14 | Skapare | capacity |
| 15:44.30 | Jemt | Ah, probably not. Depends on an old kernel :-/ |
| 15:44.34 | amitz | X1938: yeah, my brother bought me one like that too :-( |
| 15:44.38 | X1938 | good luck hehe |
| 15:44.45 | Skapare | amitz: I always test every sector of these devices |
| 15:44.50 | X1938 | so back to the crontab problem |
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| 15:45.19 | X1938 | asg : how do i go about this "Create a cron entry to remove said file in one month." |
| 15:45.26 | X1938 | can cron even do that ? |
| 15:45.44 | X1938 | or were you talking about some bash script that would do that ? |
| 15:45.51 | Skapare | amitz: I find out what size it claims and generate a file of random bits of that size ... I make an sha1 checksum of the file ... dd the file to the device ... then sha1 the device |
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| 15:46.53 | Skapare | amitz: the problem I've narrowed down is syslinux doesn't work on all USB devices on all motherboards |
| 15:47.07 | asg | X1938: it really depends on how you define 'in one month' |
| 15:47.20 | Skapare | amitz: some controllers try to do things like make BOOTED USB devices emulate something other than hard disk |
| 15:47.22 | asg | X1938: a specific date or just some number of days or weeks from now |
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| 15:47.46 | X1938 | asg : thats the problem :( |
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| 15:48.05 | X1938 | how about a bash script that saves the date it starts in a text file |
| 15:48.18 | Skapare | amitz: for example, if the USB stick has an ISO image on it, and you boot it, it emulates a USB DVD player ... it will boot fine ... but then it appears to be a CD or DVD |
| 15:48.34 | amitz | Skapare: interesting stuff, but I have a more urgent thing to do, that is installing debian to external harddisk via debootstrap. |
| 15:48.55 | amitz | Skapare: that's basically the reason I currently hang out here :-) |
| 15:48.55 | asg | X1938: even still, you have to define what 'one month' means (30 days? 31 days?) |
| 15:48.57 | Skapare | amitz: OK ... that sounds interesting, too |
| 15:49.25 | Jemt | How do I temporary change to path to GCC ? Is there a GCC environment variable ? |
| 15:49.41 | dutchfish | amitz, why not use PXE boot? |
| 15:49.47 | amitz | Skapare: but that bit about iso on usb stick..hmm that might be useful :-) |
| 15:49.51 | asg | X1938: if you wanted to remove a file on, say, Feb 1st, 2009, then something like 'echo rm /etc/cron.d/myfile | at feb 1 2009' would do the trick |
| 15:50.00 | Skapare | amitz: I'm trying to learn debian organization so I can make external devices bootable ... either as a live device and/or an installer device |
| 15:50.26 | Skapare | amitz: I know the hardware and the Linux basics (kernel, booting, etc) ... just not the debian organization |
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| 15:50.30 | amitz | Skapare: I'm using apt-cacher-ng , which currently has problem with debian installer. |
| 15:50.56 | Skapare | amitz: ISO on a USB stick is motherboard/BIOS dependent ... different motherboards do it different ways |
| 15:51.22 | amitz | Skapare: Don't have the energy to find out the root cause. apt-cacher-ng just doesn't work. Oh, i see about motherboard dependent. |
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| 15:51.31 | Skapare | amitz: some will do the ISO emulation ... some won't ... makes for some difficulties in "how to" documentation |
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| 15:53.08 | X1938 | asg : ill try that. thx. |
| 15:53.26 | Skapare | amitz: my Tyan mainboard examines the content to figure out to boot it ... it can boot from USB devices that look like hard drives, or CD/DVD drivers, or floppy disks ... but it "remodels" the device to fit the boot records it sees |
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| 15:54.12 | Skapare | amitz: then when Linux looks at a USB stick that was booted ISO style, it will see it as a read-only DVD player |
| 15:54.30 | Skapare | amitz: if I pull the stick out and put it back ... it becomes a hard drive |
| 15:55.41 | Skapare | amitz: if you figure out what you are trying to do with the external harddisk and want to write up a document about it and need a place to host it, I can put it on my web server |
| 15:55.42 | dutchfish | Skapare, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:56.03 | Skapare | looks |
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| 15:56.39 | dutchfish | Skapare, syslinux needs a compatible kernel, if you want to boot a debian installer image, that basically it (period) |
| 15:57.19 | dutchfish | Skapare, for example use the one from lenny |
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| 15:57.58 | dutchfish | Skapare, i have not ran into any problems with usb debian install (etch/lenny) |
| 15:58.08 | amitz | Skapare: basically I want to carry an external harddisk I can boot in any computer. I'm also considering creating a boot CD that can help boot to external harddisk. This is for the case where external harddrive booting is not supported in BIOS. |
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| 15:58.32 | Skapare | dutchfish: looks like they are doing harddisk format USB sticks ... should work fairly universally |
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| 15:59.21 | dutchfish | amitz, you can also consider boot from PXE, that works on all machines that have ethernet boot, and is also faster, and no prep time each time you need it |
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| 15:59.43 | Skapare | amitz: that can get tricky ... no one format of USB will *boot* on all machines ... but hard disk format should be the widest |
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| 15:59.58 | zepard | hi all |
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| 16:00.25 | zepard | is there a way to sync my touchpad with xrandr rotate |
| 16:00.33 | Skapare | amitz: I suggest grub as the boot program, though ... syslinux seems to have some problems on some boards (doesn't get recognized in the intended way) |
| 16:00.42 | Skapare | or lilo if you prefer |
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| 16:01.21 | fifthrutle | i already have pmount and hal. what should i use to get pmount to mount a usb storage device when i plug it in and with the device's own label? |
| 16:01.26 | Skapare | amitz: I've had success using grub legacy with my slackware stuff ... boots OK on every machine I'd tried it on (even a notorious HP one) |
| 16:01.59 | newsense | FiFouille, for the naming make a udev rule |
| 16:02.12 | newsense | hal usually handles the mounting of usb drives |
| 16:03.01 | fifthrutle | yes.. but it's not mounting automatically |
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| 16:03.25 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 16:03.25 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
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| 16:04.16 | Skapare | !usb mount |
| 16:04.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mount is script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount, or does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
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| 16:04.49 | fifthrutle | but usbmount says i should use hal and pmount if i want an icon to appear when the device is mounted |
| 16:04.54 | amitz | Skapare: as I said, for BIOS that doesn't support booting from external harddrive, I want to create CD that somehow able to pass the boot to external harddrive. But I don't know whether that's possible. |
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| 16:05.21 | Skapare | I hope it knows how to automount a USB stick that is in ISO format (e.g. has no partition table ... is an ISO image dd'd directly to the device) |
| 16:05.22 | newsense | FiFouille, you using kde or gnome ? |
| 16:05.45 | dutchfish | Skapare, no |
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| 16:05.57 | Skapare | dutchfish: then it needs some upgrading |
| 16:06.01 | ilj | hi everybody |
| 16:06.18 | Skapare | dutchfish: what if you plug in an external DVD player? |
| 16:06.23 | dutchfish | Skapare, an usb stick is a writable device |
| 16:06.49 | Skapare | dutchfish: which means you can write an ISO image on it, if you want |
| 16:06.49 | dutchfish | Skapare, it will automount if you have the FS extensions installed correclty |
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| 16:07.12 | Skapare | dutchfish: why should it need FS extensions? |
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| 16:07.24 | dutchfish | Skapare, for the filesystem on it |
| 16:07.41 | Nigromante | hi |
| 16:07.50 | dutchfish | Skapare, like ext3 ntfs fat whatever |
| 16:08.02 | Skapare | dutchfish: if I can _manually_ mount a normal FS, it should be able to do it automatically ... no FS extensions needed |
| 16:08.14 | dutchfish | Skapare, sure |
| 16:08.20 | ilj | > Please note that, if you are not using file-rc, update-rc.d -f service remove will not work properly, since all links are removed, upon re-installation or upgrade of the package these links will be re-generated (probably not what you wanted). // from ... |
| 16:08.24 | ilj | ... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html . My question is: what is file-rc and what is meant by that sentence? I doesn't seem to have a clear meaning. |
| 16:08.38 | Skapare | dutchfish: by why not ISO? those work perfectly fine manually |
| 16:08.42 | dutchfish | Skapare, but: for fat you need to enable it in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf |
| 16:09.16 | Skapare | I'm not worried about fat |
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| 16:09.16 | zepard | none experienced problems with xrandr and touchpad rotation? |
| 16:09.20 | Skapare | I just want it to work with "modern" FS types |
| 16:09.31 | dutchfish | Skapare, no idee about ISO, seams to me unlikely option |
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| 16:09.48 | dutchfish | Skapare, for an usb stickl |
| 16:10.11 | Skapare | any that the kernel is configured (or drivers are loaded) to support should be allowed to work (subject to policy decision limitations, of course) |
| 16:10.11 | dutchfish | Skapare, ext3? |
| 16:10.39 | dutchfish | Skapare, whats wrong with that? |
| 16:10.46 | Skapare | dutchfish: I've done USB sticks in ext2, ext3, iso, reiserfs, and even jffs (silly, but it worked) |
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| 16:10.58 | dutchfish | Skapare, sure |
| 16:11.12 | Skapare | dutchfish: but if you have an ISO image ... why not use it? |
| 16:11.51 | dutchfish | Skapare, mounting an ISO file is not related to the FS, but thats not what you mean? |
| 16:12.07 | dutchfish | Skapare, as a loop device i meant |
| 16:12.29 | Skapare | dutchfish: you download an ISO image and want to boot it ... and want to boot it on a machine with no CD/DVD drive ... it has USB ... 2 choices: burn the ISO to a CD/DVD ... or dd it to a USB stick |
| 16:12.51 | JyZyXEL | does dnsmasq have logs? |
| 16:12.51 | dutchfish | Skapare, you cant boot from iso, you boot from syslinux |
| 16:13.06 | Skapare | dutchfish: while I do have a USB external DVD player/recorder ... the USB stick is more convenient |
| 16:13.27 | Skapare | dutchfish: I have booted ISO images from USB sticks |
| 16:13.32 | dutchfish | Skapare, hold on a sec, i hand you a link |
| 16:13.33 | JyZyXEL | nevermind ill use tcpdump |
| 16:14.13 | Skapare | a link for what? someone telling me they failed to boot an ISO from a USB stick? many motherboard can't do it ... I already know |
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| 16:15.23 | dutchfish | Skapare, http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 16:15.26 | snhmib | hello, i just installed debian, but i'm having trouble installing stuff |
| 16:15.46 | snhmib | i added the lines from the manual to sources.list |
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| 16:16.26 | snhmib | but if i try to install something it says stuff along the lines of "couldn't stat source package list" |
| 16:16.43 | asg | snhmib: pastbin your sources.list |
| 16:17.12 | Skapare | dutchfish: overly complicated for many systems ... and the instructions are actually not 100% correct, either |
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| 16:17.36 | Skapare | dutchfish: The "USB-ZIP" option is already being phased out of BIOSes |
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| 16:18.11 | Skapare | dutchfish: if you have an "ISO aware" BIOS, just dd the ISO image to the USB stick and it's done ... ready to boot |
| 16:18.16 | dutchfish | Skapare, it still works for me, but i told you already, i like netboot/PXE more |
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| 16:19.21 | dutchfish | Skapare, true, but most of the time those bioses are still quircky |
| 16:19.39 | Skapare | dutchfish: OK ... netboot/PXE is useful for where you have the boot server around (home, work, data center) ... but for mobile and/or isolated machines ... having the entire distro on a 16GB stick would be nice |
| 16:20.02 | snhmib | asg, it's at rafb.net/p/Jb5k5Z48.html |
| 16:20.10 | dutchfish | Skapare, huh, you can even do that from a PDA or EEEpc |
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| 16:20.42 | Skapare | dutchfish: mine works fine ... the "quirk" is that when it recognizes that the USB stick is in ISO format, it tells the USB controller to emulate a USB DVD player instead of a USB removeable hard drive |
| 16:20.53 | dutchfish | Skapare, i use my laptop with a VM for that, end of story |
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| 16:21.30 | Skapare | dutchfish: I need to get me an EEEpc (or an Acer Aspire 1) |
| 16:21.33 | asg | snhmib: did you run 'aptitude update'? |
| 16:21.38 | Nigromante | hi, anyone using RT73 USB in debian? |
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| 16:21.53 | dutchfish | Skapare, hint: kvm |
| 16:22.27 | wp | dutchfish: its working :) |
| 16:22.33 | Skapare | dutchfish: a lot of these things are not always easy options when I am "traveling lite" (e.g. no laptop or netbook at all ... just a USB stick) |
| 16:22.39 | dutchfish | Skapare, the nice thing with VM's is you can tweak them acording to your curent needs and have them at hand when you need them |
| 16:22.43 | snhmib | oh no |
| 16:22.51 | dutchfish | wp, great :) |
| 16:23.07 | snhmib | i didn't know i needed to do that :| |
| 16:23.15 | Skapare | dutchfish: I use VMs for debugging stuff I build at the boot level, or hacking grub, etc |
| 16:23.31 | dutchfish | Skapare, start using them for PXE boot too ;) |
| 16:23.34 | snhmib | thanks a bunch :) looks like it works now! |
| 16:23.43 | Skapare | dutchfish: when installing or running Linux on someone else's machine at their home, options are limited |
| 16:24.08 | Skapare | dutchfish: I must say I haven't tried a PXE boot from a VM, yet ... could be fun |
| 16:24.09 | dutchfish | Skapare, no more flying cracked cd's and cables and usb devices etc etc |
| 16:24.33 | dutchfish | Skapare, works splendid |
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| 16:25.05 | dutchfish | Skapare, with just 1G i have several for the installers i need |
| 16:25.33 | dutchfish | Skapare, even lenny's beta one |
| 16:25.38 | Skapare | dutchfish: but when a boot server is not available (because I didn't want to carry my EEEpc around ... once I get one), the USB stick is handy (because it is even easier to carry around) |
| 16:26.11 | dutchfish | Skapare, sure, there is no ultimate solution, but PXE fills i giant gap |
| 16:26.29 | Skapare | dutchfish: when I did data center management, PXE was king |
| 16:26.52 | Skapare | dutchfish: back then USB sticks were just "big floppies" :) |
| 16:27.00 | dutchfish | Skapare, specially if you need to reinstall a server where the cd drive isnt used for over 2 years, and you discover its weared out ;) |
| 16:27.31 | Skapare | dutchfish: I hate CD/DVD drives ... and the recordable media |
| 16:27.40 | Macjust | Hello, I use acl, but i have a problem, I chmod 777 a file, i give this command setfacl -m m::--- file and the user X or Y can always acces to the file |
| 16:27.47 | dutchfish | Skapare, yup (within this context) |
| 16:28.08 | Skapare | dutchfish: IMHO, flash will kill optical in 5-10 years |
| 16:28.25 | dutchfish | Skapare, but thats another story ;) |
| 16:28.40 | asg | Macjust: iirc, acls are only consulted after standard permissions so if standard permissions grant access, acls won't go into effect. |
| 16:28.53 | dutchfish | Skapare, what about embedded kvm / installer included ? |
| 16:29.04 | Skapare | dutchfish: if netflix doesn't end up becoming 100% net download, it will likely shift from sending optical disks to sending an SDHC card (when the price of 8GB ones is so low it won't matter) |
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| 16:29.28 | dutchfish | Skapare, ture |
| 16:29.36 | dutchfish | Skapare, true |
| 16:29.44 | Macjust | asg can i inverse this ? |
| 16:30.14 | Skapare | dutchfish: the embedded installer is an interesting idea ... haven't really explored it, yet ... but for what I'm doing right now I'm not sure where that would fit in |
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| 16:30.32 | asg | Macjust: remove the permissions or restrict them and then provide access via acls for only the people you want to have access. Alternately, provide group access and add the relevant people to the group. |
| 16:30.34 | Skapare | dutchfish: if I ever go back to data center managing, I'd be doing mostly PXE anyway |
| 16:30.36 | dutchfish | Macjust, maybe chmod 644 or 755 |
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| 16:31.03 | dutchfish | Skapare, yup |
| 16:31.06 | Macjust | ok thanks |
| 16:31.13 | Skapare | dutchfish: though I did some embedded work last year (built boot and and OS images for cable boxes) |
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| 16:31.54 | dutchfish | Skapare, ok, nice chat, but lets return to ontopic |
| 16:32.09 | Skapare | dutchfish: I think we all had different topics with some overlap |
| 16:32.19 | dutchfish | Skapare, ;) |
| 16:33.06 | Skapare | dutchfish: I'm trying to make use of the ISO booting feature of two of my boards ... need to figure out how to merge the 3 debian DVDs into one BIG ISO image |
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| 16:33.56 | Skapare | dutchfish: I guess I need to fall back to the steps to make the original ISOs in the first place and hack it to make a big one (maybe pretend doing it for a Blu-Ray recordable then dd it to a USB stick) |
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| 16:34.27 | dutchfish | Skapare, something like that, maybe, but i dont have a need for that |
| 16:34.44 | Skapare | dutchfish: like I said, we have different topics :) |
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| 16:35.11 | Moofius- | instead of having to read mail via "sudo mail", can I get mail sent to my mail-adress instead? |
| 16:35.19 | dutchfish | Skapare, another one, might to delve into apt-torrent |
| 16:35.26 | dutchfish | Skapare, ;) |
| 16:35.27 | Skapare | dutchfish: but a hard disk format bootable image would be OK, too ... but the catch there is syslinux is confusing my motherboard |
| 16:36.02 | Skapare | dutchfish: so I need to use grub to boot the USB stick when it's in hard disk format |
| 16:36.32 | Moofius- | How can I set the server admin email on a debian box? |
| 16:37.10 | Skapare | dutchfish: for some reason, if syslinux is the bootloader, the motherboard wants to emulate a USB floppy drive, complete with a 2.88MB size limitation |
| 16:37.27 | Skapare | dutchfish: it boots ... then it can't read the stick |
| 16:37.30 | dutchfish | Skapare, depends on your syslinux, mostly yes |
| 16:37.57 | Skapare | dutchfish: syslinux is supposed to work on hard drives, so I'm confused by that ... might be a bug in the BIOS |
| 16:38.27 | dutchfish | Skapare, you should delve into internals of syslinux |
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| 16:38.51 | Skapare | dutchfish: bit lilo and grub both boot OK (I've so far built systems based on Slackware, Linux From Scratch, and Timesys Embedded) |
| 16:38.52 | dutchfish | Skapare, the debian/lenny version does 256mb |
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| 16:39.16 | Skapare | dutchfish: 256mb what? size of image they create? |
| 16:39.27 | Moofius- | I know I got email every week with a freebsd server, containing failed ssh login attempts, info about security updates needed, how to do the same thing with debian? |
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| 16:39.41 | dutchfish | Skapare, the max size of the loop mounted iso after booting from syslinux |
| 16:39.53 | asg | Moofius-: the logcheck package is one solution |
| 16:40.20 | asg | Moofius-: for the security updates piece, the cron-apt package is useful |
| 16:40.31 | Skapare | dutchfish: if they are doing a loopback mount of an ISO, then the ISO image is a file inside a filesystem |
| 16:40.45 | Skapare | dutchfish: the problem I have is that won't work on my machine |
| 16:40.52 | dutchfish | Skapare, after all syslinux does a squashfs filesystem in memory and then mounts a dvd-iso |
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| 16:41.40 | Moofius- | My main problem is really of having mail mailed to me instead of reading the mail with the mail-program using "sudo mail", anyway to mail the mail to my mail? |
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| 16:42.26 | Skapare | dutchfish: syslinux works fine in qemu ... tried that ... just not on my two Tyan systems ... because the BIOS has a "USB format detector" |
| 16:42.37 | asg | Moofius-: each of those can be configured to send mail to a non-local address if that is your preference. |
| 16:42.44 | phorce1 | Moofius-: [editor] /etc/aliases <--- make 'root' point to the email address you want system mail to fo to |
| 16:42.54 | phorce1 | s/fo to/go to/ |
| 16:42.57 | dutchfish | Skapare, then i am afraid its a BIOS problem |
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| 16:43.04 | Skapare | dutchfish: which for some reason (bug?) things the USB stick is imaged from a floppy image when it sees syslinux |
| 16:43.10 | Moofius- | phorce1: ah, yeah, thanks |
| 16:43.31 | Skapare | dutchfish: it's easy to work around ... 1: just dd the ISO image directly to the device (not a partition) |
| 16:43.43 | akitada | Can I get a "list of files" of an experimental package? |
| 16:43.51 | Skapare | dutchfish: badda bing badda boom ... boots fine |
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| 16:44.04 | Skapare | dutchfish: you win some, you lose some |
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| 16:44.16 | akitada | packages.debian.org does not have it for experimentals |
| 16:45.14 | Moofius- | Yo dawg I herd you like mail so we put a mail in your mail so you can mail while you mail |
| 16:45.28 | newsense | haha |
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| 16:45.38 | Skapare | dutchfish: I can dd the DVD #1 image to an 8GB USB stick and boot it just fine and Linux will see the USB stick as a USB attached DVD player ... the catch is to get to DVD#2 I have to use a 2nd USB stick with the image of DVD#2 |
| 16:45.39 | octo_ | I installed a "linux distro" onto a usb thumb drive, and its using grub. It goots to the drive on my computer, but if I plug it into a laptop, it will not boot. It starts to read the flash drive but then I get a grub command prompt, and thats where it stops. any clues as to why? |
| 16:45.39 | newsense | sends mail |
| 16:45.58 | Skapare | dutchfish: my goal is to get all 3 DVD images on ONE USB stick |
| 16:46.05 | Moofius- | my last sentance before that one was maybe a bit hard to understand :P |
| 16:46.15 | dutchfish | Skapare, then create your own image read about harddiskinstall method |
| 16:46.31 | newsense | Skapare, were you here trying to do this a few days ago ? |
| 16:46.48 | Skapare | newsense: I've been dabbling in it for a month |
| 16:47.00 | Skapare | dutchfish: is that the method that uses syslinux? |
| 16:47.25 | dutchfish | Skapare, either way, depending on how you create your image |
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| 16:47.28 | Skapare | newsense: I've been here 3 or 4 times |
| 16:47.33 | newsense | ok, thought it would be rare to see 2 people putting 3 dvd images on a usb drive in one week |
| 16:47.50 | newsense | not something you hear everyday |
| 16:47.59 | octo_ | hahah, I just put a dvd image on a thinb drive this week too |
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| 16:48.39 | Skapare | dutchfish: if you know of a step by step how to that uses grub legacy, then I'm interested ... otherwise I'm looking for debian organizing docs that would let me figure out my own method (I figured out my own for slackware because I already knew slackware) |
| 16:49.05 | dutchfish | newsense, the question for me is still if this is so benefitial anyway, i dont see the point |
| 16:49.33 | Skapare | newsense: yeah ... well USB sticks big enough to do that have been non-existant until a year ago or so, and not cheap until now |
| 16:50.07 | newsense | me eithre |
| 16:50.32 | Skapare | newsense: what I'd like to do is make a script that takes all the debian files needed (I don't know what those are, just yet) and builds the image for a 16GB USB stick to have "everything" |
| 16:50.58 | dutchfish | Skapare, and what if they change? and they do |
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| 16:51.09 | Skapare | dutchfish: many people have argued that DVD #1 is sufficient for 99% of people ... might well be true |
| 16:51.26 | Skapare | dutchfish: what if what changes? |
| 16:51.35 | newsense | it is but maybe he has no internet access and needs more |
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| 16:51.45 | octo_ | I installed a "linux distro" onto a usb thumb drive, and its using grub. It boots to the drive on my computer, but if I plug it into a laptop, it will not boot. It starts to read the flash drive but then I get a grub command prompt, and thats where it stops. any clues as to why? |
| 16:51.49 | newsense | anyways brb coffee |
| 16:52.16 | dutchfish | Skapare, if you are thinking of bandwidth for the install, and you install often, you ar efar better of by creating your own repo, wich is updated regurlarly, if not use a chaching aporach and stick to th enetinstall |
| 16:52.18 | Skapare | newsense: I don't want to depend on internet access ... it can be slow in many cases ... broadband is still not everywhere |
| 16:53.01 | dutchfish | sorry for the typos |
| 16:53.05 | Skapare | dutchfish: that's what I want to do (keep a repo) ... eventually (I have done this for gentoo and slackware ... debian is my next project) |
| 16:53.42 | dutchfish | Skapare, well, then setup a repo the right way, and keep it up to date, not by install media i am afraid |
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| 16:54.39 | Skapare | dutchfish: I need to figure out _what_ to repo ... then how to use the install tools to direct them to that repo |
| 16:55.03 | dutchfish | Skapare, debian has all the fine tools to do just that |
| 16:55.24 | Skapare | dutchfish: I have a hacked grub that boots entirely from outside a partition (I used this on my Slackware live USB) |
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| 16:56.04 | Skapare | dutchfish: no doubt debian has all the fine tools ... the issue for me is sorting them out to pick the one(s) right for what I'm doing |
| 16:56.13 | dutchfish | Skapare, the debian installer let you choose for grub if you want it in mbr or not, whats your point? |
| 16:56.19 | Skapare | dutchfish: that and NOT repoing more than is actually needed |
| 16:57.05 | Skapare | dutchfish: the grub choice isn't about what to have the installer install ... it's for what to boot the install system with |
| 16:57.19 | dutchfish | Skapare, then go the caching aproach, saves you a lot of trouble |
| 16:57.56 | dutchfish | Skapare, anyway i am going afk for dinner, good luck |
| 16:58.23 | Skapare | dutchfish: again, I need to find out WHAT files to cache/repo/whatever ... a HOW TO on making one's own DVD images from non-ISO files might be the trick (but I could not find such doc) |
| 16:58.38 | dutchfish | !rtfm |
| 16:58.38 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 16:58.50 | Skapare | !btdt |
| 16:58.51 | dpkg | btdt is, like, Been There Done That |
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| 17:00.48 | Skapare | I'm gonna go play with something else ... I'm trying to switch from ircii to irssi ... turns out to be harder than expected (because of all my hacks to ircii) ... much of today is to be spent on that |
| 17:00.53 | Skapare | waves |
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| 17:02.58 | lordnazgul | is there any way to exclude specific users from receiving /etc/issue.net when ssh-ing in, while still sending it to all other users? |
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| 17:05.33 | stoned | someone hilight me |
| 17:05.53 | newsense | stoned |
| 17:05.57 | stoned | good morning |
| 17:05.59 | stoned | I'm sick. |
| 17:06.06 | newsense | sorry to hear that |
| 17:06.08 | stoned | so its not really that good of a morning |
| 17:06.13 | stoned | I took medicine. |
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| 17:06.21 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian |
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| 17:06.56 | newsense | trying to put 3 dvd images on a usb stick |
| 17:07.01 | newsense | to install from |
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| 17:07.25 | lvh | big stick. |
| 17:07.31 | newsense | good medicine ? |
| 17:07.39 | barbaros | is there a channel for lenny? |
| 17:07.43 | newsense | nm he left anyways |
| 17:07.46 | stoned | barbaros, this is it |
| 17:07.56 | stoned | newsense, about to take the good kind |
| 17:08.07 | newsense | im feelin good :) |
| 17:08.18 | stoned | I feeeel good, danananana |
| 17:08.25 | newsense | haha |
| 17:08.27 | barbaros | ok, although I did not set it, Firefox starts automatically when I login my computer? any ideas? |
| 17:08.36 | stoned | barbaros, gnome? |
| 17:08.39 | barbaros | yeah |
| 17:08.44 | stoned | barbaros, its probably saved in your session |
| 17:08.49 | stoned | close firefox and manually save the session |
| 17:09.01 | stoned | I'm not sure how to edit gnome sessions, I don't us gnome |
| 17:09.10 | barbaros | ok, I know where it is |
| 17:09.13 | stoned | ok |
| 17:09.19 | barbaros | thanks for the suggestion. |
| 17:09.23 | stoned | sure |
| 17:09.33 | stoned | also check any gnome auto start thingies |
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| 17:09.50 | stoned | like I use ~/.kde/Autostart <-- as as the Startup program group in windows |
| 17:09.52 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 17:10.17 | lvh | what's wrong with .xinitrc? |
| 17:10.30 | stoned | lvh, excuse me? |
| 17:10.39 | lvh | ~/.xinitrc |
| 17:10.40 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 17:10.40 | stoned | lvh, I'm sure if he has to ask he didn't put firefox there |
| 17:10.57 | barbaros | stoned, in the session options "remember currently running applications" is NOT checked |
| 17:11.02 | lvh | stoned: No, I mean why use ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 17:11.04 | stoned | and there is no package that will put firefo in there |
| 17:11.14 | stoned | lvh, becuase then its specific only to kde...? |
| 17:11.23 | lvh | Exactly -- what's the point in that? |
| 17:11.39 | stoned | so that if I have something non-kde I don't launch that stuff...? |
| 17:11.47 | stoned | why are you worried about wtf I be doin'? |
| 17:11.56 | stoned | I'm not asking for support, so don't try to help me |
| 17:11.57 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:12.01 | lvh | Please don't be so defensive. |
| 17:12.03 | lvh | Sheesh. |
| 17:12.17 | stoned | I'm not, just wondering why you're wasting your own time |
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| 17:12.58 | lvh | Because insight and knowledge often comes from places you'd never expect it to come from. |
| 17:13.06 | azurite | morning |
| 17:13.12 | lvh | azurite: Good morning :-) |
| 17:13.19 | azurite | how goes it sir? |
| 17:13.20 | dutchfish | comes closer to th ecampfire and like to watch |
| 17:13.40 | stoned | lvh, in that case, I use kde's autostart specifically so that when I use xfce my kde shit doesn't get started |
| 17:13.48 | stoned | I don't want some thing global, as in xinitrc |
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| 17:21.36 | phorce1 | if Skapare (3 DVD guy) comes back tell him to look at this (ignore the unmentionable word in the URL, it applies to debian) ---> http://www.howtoforge.com/dvd_images_of_ubuntu_repositories |
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| 17:25.02 | Doug52392 | Hello, how would I install Flash Player on Debian Linux? |
| 17:26.03 | marcus_ | Doug52392, you may want to take a look at http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-in-debian-etchlennysid.html |
| 17:26.13 | SamuraiDio | i need help to have a modem (ZTE MF622) be recognized as a modem |
| 17:26.19 | stoned | !adobe flash |
| 17:26.19 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 17:26.36 | SamuraiDio | i got some tutorials that make it works, but i need to boot the pc with the modem plugged in |
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| 17:26.45 | SamuraiDio | i want it to work on pnp |
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| 17:27.46 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? |
| 17:27.47 | Doug52392 | I have libflash-mozplugin installed, but it doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 17:29.13 | Doug52392 | netsplit... |
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| 17:29.35 | SamuraiDio | ?? |
| 17:30.03 | workinman | hrr.. i'm trying to get hal not to try to mount a fixed drive when i double-click on it |
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| 17:30.30 | Eulex | !netsplit |
| 17:30.30 | dpkg | it has been said that netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 17:34.01 | newsense | working fine here |
| 17:34.09 | sim_sim1 | hi |
| 17:34.15 | sim_sim1 | I m trying to use rox-filer on Debian - Gnome |
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| 17:34.38 | sim_sim1 | but i can t change the key binding |
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| 17:34.46 | sim_sim1 | I quote : " Use the "Keyboard" config app to allow changing of menu shortcuts for GTK apps. " Does anyone know what this guy is talking about ? I mean what is the app ? |
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| 17:35.20 | sim_sim1 | I m using Gnome and can t find out  where is defined the "user-defined keybindings" feature so i can enable the edition of keybindings in the rox-filer |
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| 17:35.48 | newsense | xmodmap |
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| 17:37.19 | sim_sim1 | newsense: could you be more specific ? do you think i can find the "user-defined keybindings" feature in this |
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| 17:38.18 | newsense | yes |
| 17:38.21 | newsense | man xmodmap |
| 17:38.34 | sim_sim1 | yeah i already read part of it |
| 17:38.55 | newsense | kde has its own settings for this which i used to setup mute and volume keys, not sure about gnome |
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| 17:39.52 | sputnick_ | hi there |
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| 17:40.10 | sim_sim1 | newsense: i can t find any relating information to my issue in there, how do you think i should be using xmodmap ? |
| 17:40.14 | sim_sim1 | sputnick_: hi |
| 17:40.17 | sputnick_ | is aptitude can use a regex(p) to match a bunch of packages like apt-get ? |
| 17:40.28 | sputnick_ | sounds not |
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| 17:41.12 | newsense | sim_sim1, sorry i havent used it lately and dont remember |
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| 17:41.52 | SamuraiDio | why my udev rules work only at boot: http://pastebin.com/f5d86c621 ?? |
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| 17:43.59 | K_Sakura | That almost looks like a spreading blackout. Or netout. |
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| 17:44.22 | dutchfish | K_Sakura, split? |
| 17:44.30 | sputnick_ | net split K_Sakura |
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| 17:44.56 | K_Sakura | What's a 'net split'? Everyone dropping off really quickly? |
| 17:44.57 | sputnick_ | I read too fast man aptitude. "aptitude remove '~N scim'" is a regexp |
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| 17:45.06 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.11 | newsense | heh |
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| 17:45.21 | sputnick_ | somebody walk on the backbone :D |
| 17:45.24 | sim_sim1 | newsense: it does not seem like it will fix my problem. I m thinking of skipping this solution. I already waste almost 2 hours trying to solve this problems.. |
| 17:45.41 | patrikf | K_Sakura: the FreeNode network consists of multiple servers linked together |
| 17:45.46 | newsense | sim_sim1, what exactly are you trying to do |
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| 17:45.52 | patrikf | K_Sakura: if one of them loses connection, that part of the network is split off |
| 17:45.53 | SamuraiDio | newsense, i'm not sure, but that rules i pasted only work at boot |
| 17:46.05 | sputnick_ | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
| 17:46.09 | K_Sakura | Ah. (Never really thought about it that way. |
| 17:46.12 | sputnick_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
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| 17:46.53 | newsense | SamuraiDio, you do know that while udev is running applications triggered by a rule udev stops listening to other events until done |
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| 17:47.23 | newsense | so why its working nothing is going to trigger another event |
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| 17:47.55 | sim_sim1 | newsense: im trying to edit the shortcut in rox-filer. |
| 17:47.57 | sim_sim1 | newsense: User-definable shortcuts are disabled by default in Gtk2, and you have not enabled them. You can turn this feature on by: |
| 17:47.57 | sim_sim1 | 1) using an XSettings manager, such as ROX-Session or gnome-settings-daemon, or |
| 17:47.57 | sim_sim1 | 2) adding this line to ~/.gtkrc-2.0: |
| 17:47.57 | sim_sim1 | gtk-can-change-accels = 1 |
| 17:47.57 | sim_sim1 | (this only works if NOT using XSETTINGS) |
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| 17:48.18 | SamuraiDio | newsense, sorry, i didn't get it.. :s |
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| 17:49.00 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.52 | sputnick_ | heh, that's cool to search a regexp : "aptitude search '~N ^f.*r$'" |
| 17:51.03 | newsense | sim_sim1, theres a really nice gui app that might help unfortunately i forgot the name of it |
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| 17:51.20 | sim_sim1 | http://pastebin.com/m76547aa6 |
| 17:51.24 | sim_sim1 | newsense: lol ok |
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| 17:54.45 | sputnick_ | "aptitude search '~N ^Pf$'" didn't find p0f, I don't understand why :/ |
| 17:55.25 | sputnick_ | "aptitude search '~N ^p.f$'" |
| 17:55.50 | sim_sim1 | what does the "~N" stands for ? |
| 17:55.58 | sputnick_ | read above |
| 17:56.45 | sim_sim1 | you mean if it starts with this, the expression following is considered as a regexp ? |
| 17:56.52 | ktwilight | is there a site that tracks the major changes in lenny? i wouldn't want any surprises when upgrading from etch to lenny. like hda->sda in sarge to etch. |
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| 17:57.10 | sputnick_ | sure sim1 |
| 17:57.17 | sputnick_ | sure sim_sim1 |
| 17:57.44 | sim_sim1 | that s nice |
| 17:57.55 | sputnick_ | sure |
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| 18:02.14 | newsense | sim_sim1, keytouch might help |
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| 18:03.33 | Miouge | i can't use the BOOT_TIMEOUT variable in simple-cdd with the new installer of lenny, am i alone in this case ? |
| 18:04.00 | Miouge | (BOOT_TIMEOUT should modify the timeout of isolinux, but it remains at timeout 0) |
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| 18:05.39 | IRCz001 | who is there? |
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| 18:07.46 | tarzeau | i am |
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| 18:13.34 | karikari | hi, do you know of any open source FAT recovery tools? |
| 18:13.37 | stoned | I'm over here |
| 18:13.42 | stoned | I was over there, but now I'm over here. |
| 18:14.03 | sputnick_ | maybe testdisk karikari |
| 18:14.21 | sputnick_ | not sure that can recover fat, see the man page |
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| 18:18.47 | ReKlipz1 | anyone's google or gmail not working? |
| 18:19.05 | karikari | sputnick_: seems to be what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 18:19.06 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am wondering if is possible to use X like a sort of RDP.. |
| 18:19.14 | assasukasse | instead of using VNC |
| 18:19.24 | assasukasse | which is slow.. |
| 18:20.00 | assasukasse | in particular i have a server that has no screen, for maintenance i use vnc but is usually slow, i'd love to drop totally the X server and use xterm and xhost to have what i need |
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| 18:20.04 | assasukasse | is that possible? |
| 18:20.08 | Eulex | you can ssh -Y |
| 18:20.09 | patrikf | assasukasse: yes. |
| 18:20.19 | Eulex | but remote X is usually slow too |
| 18:20.24 | codingrobot | ReKlipz1: google reader is not working here ... |
| 18:20.31 | assasukasse | Eulex: ssh -Y is extremely slow too |
| 18:20.43 | Eulex | right |
| 18:20.46 | assasukasse | isn't there smth fast like rdb available in linux? |
| 18:20.56 | assasukasse | rdp |
| 18:20.58 | assasukasse | sorry |
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| 18:21.08 | patrikf | assasukasse: usually, you administer linux systems from the command line, i.e. ssh |
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| 18:21.29 | ReKlipz1 | codingrobot: none of my google services (nor google itself) are working, neither is AIM for some reason... |
| 18:21.30 | assasukasse | patrikf: sometime is VERY useful to use gui...and faster |
| 18:21.48 | Eulex | there's something I don't remember the name of |
| 18:21.53 | cusco | most of them times it is fastaer and easier to use command line |
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| 18:21.55 | assasukasse | well i suppose ssh -X or ssh -Y is what i can use |
| 18:22.00 | patrikf | assasukasse: for example? |
| 18:22.01 | Eulex | though I believe the server or client is non-free |
| 18:22.07 | ReKlipz1 | all X clients can be setup to be used remotely |
| 18:22.12 | ReKlipz1 | it's the nature of X |
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| 18:22.46 | assasukasse | well, then i have another question: what is the real difference between ssh -X and ssh -Y?? |
| 18:22.52 | unop_ | man ssh |
| 18:22.55 | Eulex | the man page will answer that |
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| 18:23.15 | RoM | Can I ask questions here that concern linux kernel? |
| 18:23.27 | patrikf | RoM: there's ##kernel for non-debian-specific issues |
| 18:23.41 | RoM | thanks |
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| 18:24.06 | assasukasse | thanks |
| 18:24.34 | RoM | Does Linus hang around IRC? |
| 18:25.20 | assasukasse | patrikf: well it can be many stuff, example is ekiga, configuring the virtual number via GUI is a swift, via text a nightmare |
| 18:25.24 | Eulex | assasukasse: NX |
| 18:25.43 | cahoot | RoM: let's hope he does more useful things |
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| 18:25.52 | assasukasse | Eulex: yea i tried but i've really NEVER ever been able to make it work |
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| 18:26.09 | RoM | cahoot: but its the holidays |
| 18:26.18 | patrikf | assasukasse: oh, but if the machine has no screen, how would you use ekiga? |
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| 18:26.39 | assasukasse | patrikf: i just receive the call |
| 18:26.42 | assasukasse | not make :D |
| 18:26.45 | cahoot | exactly |
| 18:27.32 | patrikf | assasukasse: I'm not sure what exactly you do, but there just *has* to be some command-line SIP client for that. ;) |
| 18:28.29 | Eulex | sip client? sip daemon! |
| 18:28.29 | assasukasse | patrikf: u are very right, but i am lazy to learn another cli sip client :p |
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| 18:29.00 | patrikf | Eulex: indeed. |
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| 18:29.52 | RoM | how difficult is it to update (debian) linux kernel? |
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| 18:30.52 | Eulex | it's as difficult as upgrading an already installed package or installing a new kernel package |
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| 18:32.38 | RoM | apt-get update? |
| 18:33.35 | Eulex | ... will update your package lists |
| 18:33.38 | RoM | apt-get install linux-2.6.28 |
| 18:33.47 | phorce1 | assasukasse: use NX |
| 18:34.01 | RoM | if its that easy, it would be awesome |
| 18:34.04 | Eulex | RoM: debian does not have 2.6.28 yet |
| 18:34.05 | RoM | but it isnt, right? |
| 18:34.15 | RoM | :( |
| 18:34.25 | Eulex | you can get 2.6.26 that way, though, if you're running lenny or unstable |
| 18:34.37 | RoM | but I need the newest |
| 18:34.40 | Eulex | if you're running etch you could get 2.6.24 from backports |
| 18:34.43 | Eulex | RoM: why? |
| 18:34.49 | RoM | because the newest has rtl8187b drivers |
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| 18:35.10 | RoM | well, some of the 2.6.27s have it too, but its most developed in 28 |
| 18:35.10 | Eulex | RoM: it's impossible to build those as modules, separately from the kernel? |
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| 18:35.31 | Eulex | anyway, if you want 2.6.28, you will have to build that yourself |
| 18:36.05 | RoM | Eulex: I havent got enough knowledge to do that, anyway I just want to get my rtl8187b wifi chipset working in a wpa network thats all |
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| 18:37.15 | Eulex | !rtl8187 |
| 18:37.16 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
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| 18:39.21 | Eulex | RoM: appears that you need to build 2.6.28, yes. |
| 18:39.25 | Eulex | !tell RoM about kp |
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| 18:40.20 | Eulex | !tell RoM about make-kpkg |
| 18:41.13 | RoM | I wonder if it supports WPA in the 2.6.28 |
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| 18:42.53 | Eulex | RoM: WPA is software-based encryption with WEP above it; if the driver supports WEP it will support WPA |
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| 18:43.56 | RoM | Eulex: I wouldnt bet on it, because I tryed some drivers a while ago, worked with wep but not with wpa |
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| 18:45.17 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.32 | Eulex | good evening |
| 18:45.33 | EmleyMoor | I've got a Belkin card that should be supported by that driver - a cursory look didn't show it though... |
| 18:46.00 | Eulex | ah, hah |
| 18:46.33 | Eulex | that driver should support the wifi in this old spare computer... except if it hadn't been broken :P |
| 18:47.25 | Eulex | used it with ndiswrapper when it was working |
| 18:47.39 | EmleyMoor | My laptop has an ipw2100 in it - but that's slow |
| 18:47.41 | Eulex | speaking of that RoM, ndiswrapper wouldn't be an option? |
| 18:48.16 | RoM | Eulex: ndiswrapper worked only in wep, but not wpa |
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| 18:48.24 | Eulex | RoM: ok |
| 18:48.28 | stoned | wep is good enough |
| 18:48.33 | stoned | are you worried about hackers? |
| 18:48.33 | RoM | lol? |
| 18:48.35 | RoM | no way |
| 18:48.38 | Eulex | wep is cracked in 5min |
| 18:48.40 | RoM | yes |
| 18:48.42 | stoned | yes |
| 18:48.45 | stoned | by those who know how |
| 18:48.55 | stoned | do you live in a dorm of computer scicne nerds? |
| 18:48.58 | RoM | there are tutorials all over the place |
| 18:49.02 | Eulex | I get by with hidden essid at this place |
| 18:49.02 | stoned | or do yo ulive in a normal human neighbourhood |
| 18:49.18 | stoned | security is a compromise between usability and protection |
| 18:49.27 | EmleyMoor | We are under orders to use WPA on work networks except in isolated locations where open is considered safe |
| 18:49.36 | RoM | even wpa isnt good enough, tkip was cracked or something |
| 18:49.37 | stoned | either you can make your life easy and be less secure, or you can make your life hell and more secure |
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| 18:49.57 | RoM | lol |
| 18:50.08 | EmleyMoor | Until there's something better it will have to be WPA |
| 18:50.10 | stoned | thats how security works my man. |
| 18:50.18 | RoM | I want to make my life securer by using debian ;) |
| 18:50.34 | stoned | there is no guarantee |
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| 18:50.50 | RoM | EmleyMoor: there IS something better: WPA2 |
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| 18:50.59 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes |
| 18:51.05 | stoned | the point is, consider where yo live |
| 18:51.12 | EmleyMoor | I use WPA2 where kit supports it |
| 18:51.14 | stoned | where I live, I know for a fact, no one can hack my wireless |
| 18:51.19 | robin_sz | considers where he lives |
| 18:51.21 | stoned | I have simple wep 64bit |
| 18:51.27 | enouf | use windows -- be secure |
| 18:51.34 | enouf | in your delusions |
| 18:51.50 | Eulex | ^_^ |
| 18:51.58 | EmleyMoor | Use Windows -- beware of bricks! |
| 18:51.59 | stoned | now if I lived in a college dorm with tons of computer sci. nerds, I'd be worried |
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| 18:52.10 | stoned | or even if I lived on campus in my own apartment, I'd be worried |
| 18:52.14 | robin_sz | so would I |
| 18:52.17 | stoned | but I live in a old people neighbourhood |
| 18:52.22 | stoned | wtf do I have to worry about |
| 18:52.25 | robin_sz | im 38, it would be a cause for concern |
| 18:52.48 | Eulex | old people neighbourhood here too, alternatively young parents with small children |
| 18:52.50 | enouf | has covertly been surveilling stoned :-p |
| 18:52.58 | RoM | stoned: and when someone happens to be wardriving by with a laptop in a car while ur paying ur taxes through the internet? |
| 18:53.12 | stoned | RoM, me? pay taxes? are you out of your mind? |
| 18:53.21 | Eulex | RoM: https? |
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| 18:53.42 | stoned | no but seriously, if they are war driving by , let em |
| 18:53.45 | RoM | well, logging in some special places that dont have ssl |
| 18:54.07 | stoned | even if my wireless wasn't secured, they still wont' be able to get into any of my machines or sniff my network traffic to gain any useful information |
| 18:54.14 | robin_sz | anyone who send sensitive data over the net without ssl/https deserves what they get |
| 18:54.14 | RoM | like when ur logging in to your xxx paysite |
| 18:54.34 | newsense | used to be a debian package called fakeap that broadcasted fake ssids to hide your real ap, was nice |
| 18:54.45 | jamon | robin_sz: yes, all bend over before verisign and take what they give us huh? |
| 18:55.02 | stoned | why bother with verisign? |
| 18:55.10 | stoned | you don't HAVE to get an ssl cert |
| 18:55.14 | stoned | make your own |
| 18:55.15 | jamon | that's what I mean, CA's virtually own the interweb |
| 18:55.18 | robin_sz | errr |
| 18:55.19 | robin_sz | fool |
| 18:55.21 | EmleyMoor | I intend to make a router/firewall next - and if it works make another for my mother! |
| 18:55.37 | Jemt | Can someone help me get a Nvidia GeForce 2 Pro card working on Lenny? I installed the official driver and it works fine, but the resolution is as low as it gets, and I have no DRI. I followed this guide : http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDriversNvidiaWay |
| 18:55.38 | robin_sz | stoned: you can self sign, but its not secure |
| 18:55.43 | RoM | jamon: u got a conspiracy theory there? |
| 18:55.58 | stoned | robin_sz, it is, look it up |
| 18:55.59 | stoned | :) |
| 18:56.00 | jamon | RoM: it is secure, you just can't verify the security using a 3rd party |
| 18:56.09 | jamon | er, robin_sz |
| 18:56.12 | robin_sz | stoned: dont need to look it up. its not secure. |
| 18:56.19 | stoned | it most certainly is |
| 18:56.26 | stoned | and you're old. shaddup! |
| 18:56.26 | jamon | 100% secure |
| 18:56.27 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:56.38 | robin_sz | stoned: presumably you live under a rock then and have not heard of a "man in the middle attack" |
| 18:56.39 | stoned | you dunno nothing bout us youngins |
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| 18:56.48 | Eulex | jamon: as long as you have an alternative way of verifying the cert |
| 18:56.54 | jamon | yep |
| 18:57.01 | stoned | robin_sz, I have, and like I said, look it up |
| 18:57.02 | jamon | it just doesn't have to be the verisign megalith |
| 18:57.10 | stoned | jamon, EXACTLY! |
| 18:57.14 | jamon | WOT ftw! |
| 18:57.32 | stoned | 01:53 < stoned> why bother with verisign? |
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| 18:57.43 | stoned | bam! stoned 1, robin_sz 0 |
| 18:57.55 | RoM | newsense: fakeap would be nice indeed, if my router was running on linux which it isnt |
| 18:57.58 | stoned | tickles robin_sz ;) |
| 18:58.12 | stoned | I went to ebay and especially bought an old router |
| 18:58.14 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.16 | stoned | WRT54G v2 |
| 18:58.20 | newsense | it uses your wlan card |
| 18:58.22 | stoned | very nice |
| 18:58.30 | newsense | http://www.blackalchemy.to/project/fakeap/ |
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| 18:58.40 | stoned | it has scripts you can run to confuse people |
| 18:58.41 | Eulex | newsense: a router is a computer. |
| 18:58.46 | enouf | Jemt: something like 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2) ? |
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| 18:59.01 | Eulex | enouf: wow, do those still exist? |
| 18:59.04 | newsense | true you can run linux on some commercial routers |
| 18:59.11 | stoned | Eulex, enouf likes to use old hw |
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| 18:59.15 | stoned | cuz he is from the last century |
| 18:59.16 | jamon | newsense: heard or openwrt, dd-wrt? |
| 18:59.20 | enouf | Eulex: heh, that was an upgrade from my TNT2 Pro :-p |
| 18:59.22 | newsense | jamon, yes |
| 18:59.25 | Eulex | or you can just use a computer as a router |
| 18:59.27 | Eulex | enouf: :D |
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| 18:59.32 | enouf | Eulex: not much, but a little :-) |
| 18:59.35 | EmleyMoor | It's good enouf for him |
| 18:59.40 | stoned | *squint* I route with my mind |
| 18:59.42 | Jemt | enouf: Yes : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro] (rev a4) |
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| 18:59.59 | enouf | Jemt: hrm, i think you want the 96xx legacy driverrs |
| 19:00.06 | enouf | Jemt: that's what i used |
| 19:00.06 | robin_sz | like I said, self signed certs are vulnerable to man in the middle attacks, 99% of the poulace simply dotn have the root certs for the various shinky CA's that exist, if you can get the root cert of yur wierdo CA into the mainline borwsers, then you are in with a chance, but basic self-signed certs are not as secure.. fact. |
| 19:00.10 | Jemt | I like old hardware too. It is very cheap and it performs great with Linux :) |
| 19:00.10 | Eulex | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD] (rev 01) |
| 19:00.14 | Eulex | take that! |
| 19:00.19 | RoM | newsense: how do u connect the network if it gives fake ap? |
| 19:00.32 | newsense | it isnt to connect to |
| 19:00.36 | newsense | look at that page |
| 19:00.46 | enouf | heh |
| 19:00.50 | newsense | creates fake ssid broadcast beacons to hide your real ap |
| 19:00.57 | enouf | EmleyMoor: don't make me fire up my p150 :-p |
| 19:01.04 | stoned | seriously |
| 19:01.14 | Jemt | enouf: That's odd. I used NVidias "driver selector" on their website. It redirected me to the 71.86 package. But let me give the 96xx series a go. It is worth a try :) |
| 19:01.18 | newsense | ill fire up my ps3 that runs like a p150 with linux on it |
| 19:01.21 | RoM | newsense: is it of any use when I hide my ssid |
| 19:01.22 | newsense | haha |
| 19:01.24 | Eulex | robin_sz: they're secure if you can _verify_ the cert at the client side. perhaps manually, but anyway._ |
| 19:01.29 | Jemt | Also, documentation says I'm supposed to use 71.86 |
| 19:01.33 | enouf | Jemt: the debian wiki should tell you |
| 19:01.36 | stoned | don't make me fire up my 25mhz 386 4mb ram w/ 80mb hdd laptop |
| 19:01.37 | enouf | !nvidia |
| 19:01.37 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:01.43 | stoned | see |
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| 19:01.46 | stoned | I can show off with old hw too |
| 19:01.49 | Jemt | enouf: I'm using the wiki :) |
| 19:02.02 | Eulex | robin_sz: as secure as a verisign-signed one. |
| 19:02.12 | Eulex | stoned: :D |
| 19:02.17 | Eulex | stoned: does it run linux? |
| 19:02.21 | stoned | yessir |
| 19:02.25 | stoned | floppix! |
| 19:02.25 | newsense | RoM, if your hiding your wlan from wardrivers neighbors etc, doesnt really hide it but when theres thousands of aps in the air its kinda hard to find yours |
| 19:02.33 | stoned | and win 3.11 |
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| 19:02.37 | enouf | Jemt: i realize, .. are you using etch or lenny or? |
| 19:02.43 | RoM | cool |
| 19:03.07 | newsense | i ran it at work once and they werent too happy |
| 19:03.09 | RoM | newsense: i'll start using it once my rtl8187b will be able to work in WPA |
| 19:03.09 | Jemt | enouf: Using Lenny |
| 19:03.11 | enouf | Jemt: follow the module-assistant way to build/compile/install ... that's what i did |
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| 19:03.34 | EmleyMoor | Jemt: FWIW I did likewise |
| 19:03.36 | Jemt | enouf: "The 71xx version is the only one to support RIVA TNT, ....., GeForce2 GTS/GeForce2 Pro, ..." |
| 19:03.36 | enouf | Jemt: note, you need to specify 'legacy' (it' snoted in the wiki) |
| 19:03.39 | Jemt | From the Wiki |
| 19:03.47 | stoned | its not in etch is it? |
| 19:03.49 | enouf | oh.. hrm |
| 19:03.57 | enouf | stoned: lenny |
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| 19:04.14 | stoned | man dude |
| 19:04.25 | Jemt | enouf: The 71.86 series is not included with Lenny |
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| 19:04.34 | enouf | Jemt: run lspci -nn show me - you have a nv15, whereas mine was a nv11 |
| 19:04.35 | EmleyMoor | No manual entry for dude |
| 19:04.43 | Jemt | enouf: Ok, sec |
| 19:05.23 | stoned | yay i setup aspx oh my mod_mono2 in apache |
| 19:05.30 | stoned | now I an make asp.NET c# pages |
| 19:05.31 | stoned | yay |
| 19:05.36 | jamon | oh barf |
| 19:05.53 | stoned | I get thousands of dollars for programming in c#.NET |
| 19:06.00 | Jemt | enouf: http://jemt.frac.dk/lspci.txt |
| 19:06.00 | stoned | enjoy your barfing. |
| 19:06.30 | craigevil | you couldnt pay me enough to touch anything related to Microsoft |
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| 19:06.33 | RoM | newsense: know of any other cool projects like that? can I hide the ip aswell? |
| 19:06.36 | jamon | i'm happy enough with my python gig |
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| 19:07.06 | stoned | how you gonna sit there and be so fucking low as to make fun of someone way of living and earning bread |
| 19:07.10 | EmleyMoor | craigevil: Think yourself lucky they don't make vacuum cleaners |
| 19:07.12 | newsense | RoM, nah only thing like it i know of needs a prism2 chipset too i believe |
| 19:07.12 | stoned | thats just fucked up |
| 19:07.30 | dvs | stoned: well if you stand on a street corner... ;-) |
| 19:07.45 | stoned | I don't make fun of people going out there to make a living |
| 19:07.54 | stoned | selling sex or tortillas on a street |
| 19:07.57 | stoned | dont' matter |
| 19:07.59 | newsense | RoM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MKvsyyO9qM < youtube video of a guy using it |
| 19:07.59 | stoned | they are working |
| 19:08.08 | jamon | stoned: nor do i, just c# :) |
| 19:08.12 | dvs | stoned: not if it's not legal |
| 19:08.19 | stoned | its legal in nevada |
| 19:08.36 | dvs | stoned: that's fine. as long as they're in NV |
| 19:08.51 | stoned | who gives a shit about its legality, the point is, don't make fun of people |
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| 19:09.09 | dvs | people handing out their business card right in the street. |
| 19:09.10 | stoned | make fun of someone living off welfare smoking pot and not having a job |
| 19:09.29 | stoned | don't make fun of the guy who has to have two janitor jobs to provide for his family |
| 19:09.30 | drraid | heh a little late on this, but also robin_sz, the cool new buzzwordy term for mitm is "Kingpin" attack |
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| 19:09.32 | stoned | thats fucking low |
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| 19:09.51 | drraid | so if stoned does self-signed certs, he will be susceptible to "Kingpin" attacks, such as those that plagued the 2004 ohio elections |
| 19:09.56 | stoned | anyway I've made my point, if you are mature enough, you'll se it |
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| 19:10.10 | stoned | drraid, my point was, you don't have to use verisign. |
| 19:10.11 | dvs | stoned: I care if it's legal. |
| 19:10.17 | drraid | btw if you distribute your ca and or manually install the cert for the page, i agree stoned |
| 19:10.31 | drraid | stoned: i dont trust the big ones anyway. you dont think they haven't been cracked? |
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| 19:10.37 | drraid | pads on some extra tin foil |
| 19:10.38 | stoned | of coruse |
| 19:10.42 | stoned | lol |
| 19:10.44 | stoned | tin foil |
| 19:10.47 | stoned | thats a great one |
| 19:11.09 | RoM | newsense: you could have told me that when I was buying my rtl8187b chipset device |
| 19:11.22 | drraid | i really just wanted to mention kingpin as a new buzzword |
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| 19:11.28 | drraid | because i hate it with a passion |
| 19:11.34 | Jemt | enouf: Was the link useful ? |
| 19:11.40 | drraid | someone who didnt know wtf they were talking about going out and making up some new expression |
| 19:11.46 | Jemt | enouf: Do you still think I should try the 96xx series ? |
| 19:11.49 | stoned | drraid, what? |
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| 19:12.09 | drraid | stoned, have you followed the news regarding the evoting machines being 'hacked' for the 2004 Ohio elections? |
| 19:12.15 | stoned | nope |
| 19:12.18 | stoned | don't really care either |
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| 19:12.43 | stoned | not that I deliberately don't want to care, its just uninteresting to me |
| 19:12.59 | stoned | if I saw it on tv sure I'd know about it, but I don't watch tv or read the news |
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| 19:13.08 | drraid | I really dont care about it either |
| 19:13.08 | stoned | its usually always bullshit and depressing |
| 19:13.13 | drraid | i more care that they made up a new word |
| 19:13.14 | drraid | for MiTm |
| 19:13.21 | drraid | i really dont care about the presence of the attack |
| 19:13.23 | stoned | how come they don't show debian related stuff in the new york times? |
| 19:13.33 | stoned | when was the last time they had a cnn thing about linux or open source? |
| 19:13.39 | stoned | like an actual discussion |
| 19:13.50 | drraid | its not relevant, because there is no money behind it |
| 19:13.54 | stoned | that shit they talk about has nothing in it for me man I don't care fo rit |
| 19:13.57 | drraid | well, no money in comparison |
| 19:14.51 | stoned | drraid, we can continue in #debian-chat |
| 19:15.18 | stoned | Jemt, whats going on so far? |
| 19:15.23 | RoM | newsense: but they all have no WEP so it's gonna be so easy to find the real one, obviously its the one that has wep |
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| 19:15.35 | Jemt | stoned: Concerning my nVidia driver? |
| 19:15.36 | pingouin | what i have to expect : i have an old 'sarge' (oldstable in my source.list) and i dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 19:15.39 | stoned | Jemt, yes |
| 19:15.40 | drraid | lol were we devoiced or something? |
| 19:15.49 | stoned | drraid, ? no |
| 19:16.16 | dvs | pingouin: I don't think Debian supports upgrades over 2 versions. |
| 19:16.24 | Jemt | I have just removed the 71.86 series driver and will now give the 96xx series a try. Although the wiki as well as the Nvidia Website says I'm supposed to use 71.86 |
| 19:16.43 | jelly-home | pingouin: dvs is right; you need to first upgrade to etch |
| 19:16.45 | enouf | Jemt: sorry - i'm a bit busy over here- maybe i should've not said anything |
| 19:17.25 | jelly-home | pingouin: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 19:17.27 | Jemt | enouf: That's alright. Appriciate any help I can get. Maybe someone else can help me :) |
| 19:17.47 | jelly-home | pingouin: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 19:19.43 | stoned | jelly-home, ! |
| 19:19.51 | stoned | jelly-home, how was your xmas? |
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| 19:20.19 | jelly-home | has no opinion of christmas ;-) |
| 19:20.22 | _stack | why does an apititude dist-upgrade ask me to remove many packages?? http://rafb.net/p/PvR1nD13.html |
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| 19:21.22 | jelly-home | stoned: if you wish, "spent with family watching tv and paying altogether too much for internet" |
| 19:21.25 | Jemt | The 96.xx series driver warns me that the GPU will not work, unless I install the legacy driver. So I'm back with the problem I had before; low resolution, no DRI |
| 19:21.30 | Jemt | stoned: Any suggestions ? |
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| 19:22.45 | Jemt | I have the 'nvidia' and 'drm' module loaded (using modprobe). Any other modules I'm supposed to load ? |
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| 19:23.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:23.44 | stoned | Jemt, I dunno yet |
| 19:23.47 | Jemt | Okay |
| 19:23.57 | stoned | you need to install the legacy then |
| 19:24.09 | Jemt | I just did that (that being the 71xx series driveR) |
| 19:24.18 | stoned | load glx and unload GLCore and DRI |
| 19:24.21 | Jemt | And again; I'm using Lenny :) |
| 19:24.24 | Jemt | Ok |
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| 19:24.38 | stoned | also, use cvt, specify a single mode line |
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| 19:24.44 | stoned | also specify only 1 resolution the one you want |
| 19:24.46 | stoned | in xorg.conf |
| 19:25.02 | Jemt | Tried that - no luck. But let me give it a try again |
| 19:25.11 | stoned | after you do all that, show me log file and xorg.conf |
| 19:25.15 | Jemt | I set the color depth to 16 - maybe it should be 24 |
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| 19:25.18 | Jemt | Ok :) |
| 19:25.19 | stoned | 24 |
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| 19:25.26 | Jemt | 24 it is then :) |
| 19:25.29 | enouf | !tell Jemt about nvidia_legacy |
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| 19:26.13 | stoned | tell |
| 19:26.16 | stoned | you tell him |
| 19:26.20 | pingouin | ok thanks all |
| 19:26.23 | Jemt | Thank you, enouf. But let me remind you that there is no "legacy" driver for the 71xx series in Lenny. So I have to do with the official driver package from nvidia |
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| 19:26.33 | stoned | Jemt, get it from sid |
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| 19:26.43 | stoned | no need to backport |
| 19:26.44 | Jemt | Oh |
| 19:26.45 | stoned | you can simply just use it |
| 19:26.55 | pingouin | someone can tell dpkg to tell me about sarge->etch |
| 19:26.57 | Jemt | That sounds great. I will try that :) |
| 19:26.59 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 19:27.03 | pingouin | it does not answer me |
| 19:27.03 | stoned | !tell pingouin -about dpkgbot |
| 19:27.07 | pingouin | thanks |
| 19:27.11 | enouf | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 1690120 2008-09-09 20:13 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686_96.43.07-1+2.6.26-4_i386.deb |
| 19:27.14 | Jemt | pingouin: /msg dpkg <search> |
| 19:27.22 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 19:27.22 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 19:27.23 | pingouin | it does not answer me |
| 19:27.24 | Jemt | Super, thank you so much, enn :) |
| 19:27.30 | stoned | pingouin, did you ignore him |
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| 19:27.33 | pingouin | no |
| 19:27.37 | enouf | drwxrwxr-x 3 root src 4096 2008-09-09 19:58 nvidia-kernel |
| 19:27.37 | enouf | drwxrwxr-x 4 root src 4096 2008-09-09 20:13 nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 19:27.50 | pingouin | but it ignore me ;) |
| 19:27.50 | stoned | pingouin, did you try to msg the bot outside of the channel |
| 19:27.57 | pingouin | no |
| 19:28.04 | stoned | !hug pingouin |
| 19:28.04 | dpkg | wraps his shiny metal lovin' arms around pingouin |
| 19:28.07 | stoned | :/ |
| 19:28.16 | stoned | !tell pingouin -about etch->lenny |
| 19:28.16 | enouf | 1st one was from ls- l /usr/src/ , 2nd two from ls -l /usr/src/modules |
| 19:28.22 | pingouin | thanks stoned |
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| 19:28.26 | stoned | !dpkg.web.search |
| 19:28.26 | dpkg | i guess dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 19:28.34 | stoned | use the backup factoid DB if the bot is not working for you |
| 19:28.36 | Jemt | enouf: Ok. I think I'll download them from packages.debian.org |
| 19:28.40 | stoned | be sure to read the wiki page |
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| 19:29.03 | stoned | I'nm getting haft |
| 19:29.04 | stoned | fat |
| 19:29.07 | stoned | fuck. |
| 19:29.52 | jelly-home | !+tell pingouin -about sarge->etch |
| 19:29.53 | dpkg | told pingouin about sarge->etch. |
| 19:29.58 | jelly-home | !+tell pingouin -about etch->lenny |
| 19:29.58 | dpkg | told pingouin about etch->lenny. |
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| 19:30.12 | jelly-home | !+tell pingouin -about release notes |
| 19:30.13 | dpkg | told pingouin about release notes. |
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| 19:32.21 | enouf | Jemt: ~$ apt-cache showsrc nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
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| 19:32.57 | enouf | Jemt: you do have "deb-src ... " lines in sources.list, i gather |
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| 19:33.15 | enouf | oops .. gotta run now .. apologies - see ya, update the channel - i'll be back later |
| 19:33.23 | Jemt | enouf: Yes. But what do I need 'showsrc' for ? |
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| 19:34.27 | Jemt | enouf: Ok, thanks :) |
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| 19:43.14 | _bozo | hi. i want to reduce logical volume with "lvreduce". i need to backup my data before ? |
| 19:43.46 | sajes | _bozo: You should always backup critical data before modifying partitions. |
| 19:43.49 | arbegla | I installed the mplayer .deb but I cannot find mencoder. apt-file search mencoder does not find any package with mencoder either. But http://wiki.debian.org/MPlayer says it would be shippe dwith mencoder. What should I do now? |
| 19:43.51 | nullboy | always backup before |
| 19:44.01 | drraid | you should just do arbitrary disk operations without backup, always. |
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| 19:44.19 | drraid | i can help you write a script to randomly rm if you need |
| 19:44.27 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 19:44.28 | drraid | stops trolling |
| 19:44.45 | arbegla | randomness doesnt exist |
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| 19:44.49 | _KaszpiR_ | hey |
| 19:44.50 | cr3rzemjest | does anybody here have a graphics tablet and use it on linux? |
| 19:44.56 | drraid | arbegla dont get me going |
| 19:45.04 | crooksey | hey _KaszpiR_ |
| 19:45.06 | _bozo | ok thank |
| 19:45.15 | arbegla | I think I must create my own mplayer-package, right |
| 19:45.17 | _KaszpiR_ | quick question - i got a dead debian server 64bit, rsynced files to another machine just to have backup |
| 19:45.31 | _KaszpiR_ | how to get the package list that was installed on dead host |
| 19:45.40 | _KaszpiR_ | chrooting not possible, cause its 32bit system |
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| 19:45.51 | _KaszpiR_ | maybe some script to parse /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 19:45.55 | crooksey | use 32bit liveCD then |
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| 19:47.21 | cr3rzemjest | i have a really cheap tablet, it "seems" to work, there is motion, but it has lower working space than it should, i need some GUI based config tool to set up that... i've got cd with the thing called 'control panel' but... first maybe there's some linux stuff and additionally the cd is _EMPTY_ when i mount it on linux |
| 19:47.59 | crooksey | cr3rzemjest, are you manually mounting or through hal? |
| 19:48.01 | cr3rzemjest | i've found 'wacom-tools' but i dont know how to use xsetwacom (it's not wacom by the way) |
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| 19:48.31 | cr3rzemjest | crooksey, i didn't mount, i plugged it in and the cursor is moving when i move the pen, i guess its hal |
| 19:48.45 | crooksey | cr3rzemjest, I meant the CD |
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| 19:49.03 | cr3rzemjest | i tried to mount manually |
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| 19:50.03 | cr3rzemjest | crooksey, 'sudo mount /media/cdrom' (or directly from root) should work, right? |
| 19:50.33 | cr3rzemjest | crooksey, even when i specify directory, it's empty |
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| 19:50.48 | crooksey | hmm |
| 19:50.48 | cr3rzemjest | crooksey, it works for any other cd... |
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| 19:51.32 | cr3rzemjest | crooksey, maybe i should reboot, or copy contents on windows drive and make iso, or i guess its just setup.exe so only copy contents |
| 19:51.37 | robin_sz | eulex, yes, if you can manually verify, id agree, |
| 19:51.37 | _KaszpiR_ | crooksey i dont have psyhical access to server |
| 19:51.38 | crooksey | cr3rzemjest, when I had a wacom tablet it took me a few hours hacking away at xorg.conf to get it working properly, that was a while ago though |
| 19:51.39 | _KaszpiR_ | just ssh |
| 19:51.42 | sajes | cr3rzemjest: Try making an image of the cd with dd and then mounting the image. |
| 19:51.50 | cr3rzemjest | sajes, ok |
| 19:52.25 | robin_sz | drraid, oh kool, need to keep up with the new bizzwords |
| 19:52.31 | robin_sz | err buzzwords |
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| 19:52.44 | crooksey | _KaszpiR_, is that the backup server or the dead server you dont have access to? |
| 19:52.49 | drraid | robin_sz, yah i know right |
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| 19:53.10 | _KaszpiR_ | crooksey serverA died, |
| 19:53.11 | drraid | robin_sz, especially ones that aren't new, but made up by someone who doesn't know better, to replace an already existing term |
| 19:53.17 | _KaszpiR_ | serverB is alive |
| 19:53.21 | drraid | as if man-in-the-middle-attack wasnt buzzy enough. |
| 19:53.24 | robin_sz | heh, i wouldnt want to appear im not keeping up ;) |
| 19:53.29 | drraid | ;P |
| 19:53.35 | _KaszpiR_ | we ran rescue mode over serverA and rsynced all to serverB to the subdir |
| 19:53.35 | robin_sz | personally, I blame alice |
| 19:53.50 | _KaszpiR_ | serverA is 64bit, serverB is 32bit |
| 19:53.51 | drraid | I always felt Bob was responsible |
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| 19:53.59 | _KaszpiR_ | we have reformated serverA |
| 19:53.59 | robin_sz | im sure shes screwing bob to be honest |
| 19:54.10 | crooksey | and you cant chroot the subdir why? because 32bit? |
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| 19:54.13 | _KaszpiR_ | now we are going to install packages |
| 19:54.31 | _KaszpiR_ | crooksey yes - system says its not a valid binary image file |
| 19:54.52 | _KaszpiR_ | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 19:54.56 | Jemt | If I temporarily add an unstable repository to my sources.list and do 'aptitude update', install the software I need and then remove the unstable entry from the sources.list file again, and finally do 'aptitude update' again, will the system then have any traces of the unstable repository ? - Except for the installed software of course |
| 19:55.30 | drraid | If a tree falls in the middle of the forrest, and I don't have my sound driver installed properly in debian, will anyone be able to hear it? |
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| 19:55.38 | trend | hello |
| 19:55.42 | jelly-home | Jemt: don't do that. |
| 19:55.55 | trend | i'm having trouble mounting a hd I took out of my raid 1.. i plug it up via usb to ide convertor.. any ideas? here is dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m425fd2ad |
| 19:55.55 | sajes | drraid: What's the sound of one hand clapping? |
| 19:55.56 | Jemt | jelly-home: Oh? Why not ? |
| 19:56.04 | crooksey | _KaszpiR_, "# chroot /mnt/backup /bin/bash" |
| 19:56.19 | Eulex | Jemt: are you on etch or lenny? |
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| 19:56.37 | Jemt | Eulex: I'm on Lenny. I need to nVidia legacy driver from Sid (71xx series) |
| 19:56.46 | Jemt | I need to = I need the |
| 19:56.49 | newsense | heh got a new udev rule to run festival and say the name ive given my removable media :) |
| 19:56.49 | jelly-home | Jemt: it depends on the dependencies of the particular package, but in most cases you're going to end up with important packages upgraded to versions from unstable |
| 19:57.02 | _KaszpiR_ | crooksey same error |
| 19:57.09 | Eulex | Jemt: just download the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 19:57.10 | jelly-home | Jemt: use backports.org or create own backports instead |
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| 19:57.18 | trend | it doesn't look like I have /dev/sdb* just a /dev/sdb |
| 19:57.23 | Jemt | jelly-home: Yes, I know that could happen. But Aptitude should warn me about that :) |
| 19:57.36 | jelly-home | Jemt: it shouldn't |
| 19:57.44 | trend | but i know there is data on there.. and should be ext3 |
| 19:58.02 | Jemt | Eulex: I can't get that to work. But that might be a dependency problem. Let me find the details for you |
| 19:58.16 | jelly-home | Jemt: if you enabled a normal sid repository, anything available is fair game for upgrading apt or aptitude |
| 19:58.36 | jelly-home | Jemt: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:58.47 | Jemt | jelly-home: To my knowledge Aptitude/apt-get says: The following packages will be upgraded: [list of packages] |
| 19:58.57 | Eulex | Jemt: define "doesn't work" |
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| 19:59.03 | jelly-home | Jemt: that's not a warning |
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| 19:59.24 | Jemt | Eulex: Yes, I'm about to that. Looking up packages so I can explain it further :) |
| 19:59.25 | Eulex | Jemt: ah, yes, finding the details for me would be to define what "doesn't work" means |
| 20:00.38 | Jemt | :) |
| 20:01.37 | Jemt | Eulex: the nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx package (http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx) depends on nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-71.86.07, but that is not available |
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| 20:01.53 | Jemt | So I guess my solution wouldn't work either |
| 20:02.04 | Jemt | jelly-home: Checking backports now :) |
| 20:02.35 | Eulex | Jemt: get the nvidia-legacy-source package, compile and install it with m-a a-i, get the nvidia-glx-legacy package and install it |
| 20:02.36 | Jemt | Ah, backports is only for Sarge and Etch |
| 20:02.53 | Jemt | Of course, that's the way to do it. Thank you, I will try that, Eulex |
| 20:03.25 | Eulex | Jemt: compile and install the kernel module, that is. that way you'll get a nvidia-kernel-legacy package. |
| 20:03.41 | wefwefj | Is there way to hide my IP address at IRC? |
| 20:03.55 | Jemt | Eulex: Yes - just like the Wiki describes :) |
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| 20:04.09 | Jemt | I wonder why the 71xx series is not included with Lenny though |
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| 20:04.36 | jelly-home | Jemt: it's old, non-free and unsupported by upstream? |
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| 20:05.15 | Jemt | But again, it's included with Sid |
| 20:05.25 | go|dfish | wefwefj: get a cloak. |
| 20:05.36 | jelly-home | oh |
| 20:05.36 | Jemt | So it seems it will be introduced in the next version of Debian after Lenny |
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| 20:05.45 | cr3rzemjest | can you have a hash progress bar while making iso image using dd? |
| 20:05.51 | MariachiAC | Hello, can someone tell me how to get the hw address of my pcm in the sound card for alsa? |
| 20:05.58 | jelly-home | Jemt: not necessarily |
| 20:06.00 | Eulex | Jemt: packages can be prevented from going from unstable to testing |
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| 20:06.14 | Jemt | Oh, I see |
| 20:06.23 | jelly-home | !why is nvidia-legacy-source not in testing |
| 20:06.23 | dpkg | nvidia-legacy-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-legacy-source |
| 20:06.38 | Jemt | Oh, cool, Thanks, Jelly |
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| 20:07.04 | jelly-home | is that the real name? |
| 20:07.07 | pingouin | ok, thanks, easier to install from netinst cd than to upgrade |
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| 20:08.03 | Jemt | Probably not, jelly - let me find it |
| 20:08.08 | cr3rzemjest | sajes, commands i used: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/cr3/isoiso.iso then sudo mount /home/cr3/isoiso.iso /media/cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop still empty ;/ i guess i'll just copy that on windows |
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| 20:08.48 | Jemt | jelly-home: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx |
| 20:08.52 | Yamakiri{s} | how do I kill a user from the terminal? |
| 20:09.35 | Jemt | Still no reason is given. Well, I was just currious |
| 20:09.35 | EmleyMoor | cr3rzemjest: dd if=/dev/cdrom | pv | dd of=/home/cr3/isoiso.iso ? |
| 20:09.36 | Yamakiri{s} | I'm redundantly logged in 5 times and I want to close 4 (or all of them if necessary) out |
| 20:09.41 | cr3rzemjest | EmleyMoor, what's pv? |
| 20:09.42 | arbegla | How can I force that a software, e.g. mplayer, is installed from the dmm and not from the normal repository? |
| 20:10.04 | jelly-home | !+tell arbegla -about pinning |
| 20:10.04 | EmleyMoor | pv is a kind of progress meter you can fit in a pipe |
| 20:10.04 | dpkg | told arbegla about pinning. |
| 20:10.44 | cr3rzemjest | anyway i discovered there's no pressure recognition in e.g. gimp so i guess i'm to tired to mess with this and i won't use the tablet on linux |
| 20:11.21 | zinx | gimp has pressure recognition |
| 20:11.25 | zinx | your drivers may not.. |
| 20:11.59 | cr3rzemjest | zinx, i understand what you mean |
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| 20:12.38 | jelly-home | arbegla: you could also install a particular version, eg. apt-cache policy mplayer, then aptitude install mplayer=1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1 (or similar) |
| 20:12.57 | cr3rzemjest | i mean there is on gimp but there isn't on gimp on my machine when i boot linux, nvm |
| 20:13.17 | arbegla | jelly-home, but the identifier of dmm is not unqiue.. how would pinnign work then? I pull "main" from dmm and also from "ftp.de.debian.org" so I cannot use the identifier "main" to dinstinguish between them |
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| 20:15.13 | jelly-home | arbegla: hm. |
| 20:15.33 | arbegla | I wonder how people use dmm then |
| 20:16.23 | jelly-home | the versions are higher than what's in debian anyway |
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| 20:17.46 | arbegla | I actually just wanted to have mencoder which is normally a part of mplayer (right?) but it is not supplied with the mplayer deb, at least I cannot find it |
| 20:17.57 | arbegla | I thought it could be in dmm |
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| 20:19.38 | schme | arbegla: I think I get my mencoder from dmm. |
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| 20:21.02 | arbegla | oh, with the dmm archive I can do aptiotude install mencoder.. I thought mplayer and encoder wrre one package |
| 20:21.02 | jelly-home | arbegla: it's a separate package. |
| 20:21.10 | arbegla | yes, just found it.. thnak you :D |
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| 20:21.38 | jelly-home | remember to ask the real question next time! :-P |
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| 20:22.37 | arbegla | :D |
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| 20:24.00 | CheeToS | pfff, something has magically deleted some backup motd files of mine :| |
| 20:24.48 | arbegla | crazy, I do "aptitude install netcat" it doesnt install it. so i look if it is installed, "locate netcat" some files found but doesnt look like binaries. then I do "aptitude reinstall netcat" still no binary. |
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| 20:25.58 | arbegla | That's the output of "kg-query -L netcat": http://rafb.net/p/5GYcx111.html |
| 20:26.03 | arbegla | dpkg-query |
| 20:26.10 | jelly-home | wtf is kg-query! |
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| 20:26.40 | beardy | Some kind of a weighing device. |
| 20:26.42 | jelly-home | arbegla: have you read that package description? |
| 20:26.50 | arbegla | hm |
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| 20:27.28 | arbegla | pseudo packet |
| 20:27.28 | boulbul | Hi, I am trying to install debian via a usb device, when I boot the system keep looking for for the cdrom, and can not load the drivers cause it does not find a cdrom...I have tried both business card iso and network iso, both have the same result...please help |
| 20:27.31 | mhymn | hehe, wb beardy! |
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| 20:28.06 | boulbul | my system does not have a cdrom at all |
| 20:28.15 | arbegla | I do not understand the description. It is a pseudo packet to simplify upgrade. Ok.. What does this mean? |
| 20:28.46 | EmleyMoor | arbegla: It is empty and depends on its replacement |
| 20:29.07 | arbegla | I dont understand what "depend on replacement" means |
| 20:29.23 | EmleyMoor | Depends on that which supercedes it |
| 20:29.35 | arbegla | and what is the effect of this? |
| 20:29.55 | jelly-home | arbegla: it means the real thing is in a package listed in its Depends: header |
| 20:30.12 | arbegla | ah, ok |
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| 20:30.52 | arbegla | funny |
| 20:31.05 | arbegla | aptitude install netcat-traditional didnt work but aptitude reinstall netcat-traditional |
| 20:31.19 | arbegla | it thought the paket was there :D |
| 20:31.23 | arbegla | but it wasnt |
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| 20:33.40 | dustybin | is windows power shell a bit like BASH ? |
| 20:33.51 | kadath | like bash if it sucked |
| 20:33.52 | beardy | mhymn: :) |
| 20:35.07 | beardy | dustybin: Depends on your bitsize.. One can say that everything is, or most things aren't. |
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| 20:37.59 | ndee | I would like to execute a command but all output that gets generated shouldn't be displayed and the command should be executed in the background. How can I do that? |
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| 20:38.32 | jamon | ndee: have you tried /dev/null? |
| 20:38.45 | ndee | jamon: command > /dev/null ? |
| 20:39.00 | pa7iQ | ndee: command & |
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| 20:39.27 | ndee | pa7iQ: that outputs still to my console. |
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| 20:40.38 | EmleyMoor | command > /dev/null & ? |
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| 20:40.45 | ndee | that worked, thanks |
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| 20:43.28 | _bozo | i've reduce a partition by : "lvresize -L-1G /dev/..." the result is a freespace. another exist to reduce lvm and especially preserve data ? |
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| 20:59.46 | groton_ | Anyone know what the "." means in the Gateway column of the route output? http://rafb.net/p/yNHVnS62.html |
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| 21:01.04 | Moofius- | How to make a symbolic link to a directory, "ln -n /directory new_link" does not work |
| 21:01.17 | groton_ | Moofius-, -s |
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| 21:02.05 | Moofius- | seems to work, thanks |
| 21:02.11 | groton_ | np |
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| 21:04.21 | negge | are there any special packages I need to install to be able to watch normal XviD movies on Debian Lenny? I installed Lenny and I have enabled the multimedia repo but in VLC I get no video at all and in Totem it's just a bunch of noise |
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| 21:05.19 | sameeerynho_ | negge : do you use KDE? |
| 21:05.28 | negge | sameeerynho_: no GNOME |
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| 21:06.23 | davi | Is "debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso" a Live-CD ? |
| 21:06.25 | sameeerynho_ | negge i use kde and when i install kaffeine player all of codecs install with that |
| 21:06.38 | maddash | "If you run Ubuntu, openSUSE, Debian, or Mandriva, among other distributions, then whenever you run OpenOffice.org you don't run the "official" version, but rather Go-OO, an office suite based on the OpenOffice.org source code. Go-OO includes enhancements and functions that haven't been accepted by Sun, and that may never be, because of licensing, business, or other reasons." http://www.linux.com/feature/154364?theme=print |
| 21:07.00 | negge | sameeerynho_: I guess I have to fiddle around on my own then |
| 21:07.43 | negge | maddash: what kind of enhancements are those? |
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| 21:09.10 | maddash | negge: rtfa, and http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=go-oo&l=1 |
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| 21:15.16 | phobos_anomaly | anyone in here tried building compiz with the omega script? |
| 21:15.37 | SPF | I'm running etch, I downloaded skype for etch. But when I want to install it it says skype: Depends: libqt4-gui (>= 4.2.1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:16.36 | Braindead | SPF: either get a static compiled version of skype or install that packag |
| 21:16.36 | phobos_anomaly | SPF: so do a separate install of libqt4 |
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| 21:17.06 | phobos_anomaly | Braindead: your sn reflects how I feel right now |
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| 21:18.00 | SPF | phobos_anomaly: you mean manually compile a newer version of libqt4 ? |
| 21:18.07 | phobos_anomaly | S |
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| 21:18.30 | phobos_anomaly | SPF: or do an aptitude search for libqt4 and then install the candidate package |
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| 21:19.37 | phobos_anomaly | if none shows up, you can get it from this site http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libqt4-gui |
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| 21:20.06 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to install all the debug files for all installed packages with a single aptitude command? |
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| 21:21.13 | SPF | phobos_anomaly: libqt4 is already installed and at it's newest version |
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| 21:22.00 | SPF | etch has 4.2.1, but I need a newer version |
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| 21:22.54 | phobos_anomaly | SPF: so download the source and compile it |
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| 21:23.30 | sameeerynho_ | SPF : or you can upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 21:25.04 | phobos_anomaly | sameeerynho_: I was going to suggest trying the lenny package, but last time I did that, someone spent 20 minutes lecturing me on mixing packages and repo's |
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| 21:26.23 | sameeerynho_ | it's hard to do that , the best way is to install lenny from dvd set . i do it and i am happy |
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| 21:34.06 | sameeerynho_ | can i use apt system in my own lfs system? |
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| 21:36.37 | nkuttler | sameeerynho_: #lfs? |
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| 21:38.33 | phobos_anomaly | that windows room is always dead anymore... used to be entertaining to watch people come in complaining about vista being slow or causing bsod's |
| 21:39.06 | Zambezi | Booting 'Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.26-1-686 | root (hd5,0). Then it stucks and grub> shows up after a minute or two. How can I solve this problem so it boot? |
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| 21:44.13 | Jemt | jelly-home / Eulex: I installed 'nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6.18-4-686' from Sid on Lenny and did 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-2.6.18-4-686' to build and install it, but m-a fails with an empty build log |
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| 21:46.03 | Jemt | The package depends on nvidia-kernel-common, so I installed that one too |
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| 21:46.27 | Eulex | Jemt: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy or m-a a-i nvidia-kernel, one of those |
| 21:46.53 | Jemt | Oh, I see. So it is not package names that go into m-a (?) |
| 21:47.07 | Eulex | no |
| 21:47.38 | Jemt | nvidia-kernel is now fetching 82.5 MB of extra components |
| 21:47.54 | Eulex | congratulations |
| 21:48.00 | Jemt | :) |
| 21:48.42 | Jemt | "auto-install is followed by one or more packages desired for installation" |
| 21:49.07 | Jemt | Sounds like I'm supposed to provide the name of a package |
| 21:49.32 | Jemt | If I want to be able to do this by my self in the future then how do I find out what package/file name to provide? Guessing? |
| 21:49.42 | Eulex | if you tell it nvidia-kernel, it will look for a package named nvidia-kernel-source and build the module from it |
| 21:50.17 | chiche42 | Hi, I'm running debian on my mail server. The mails are delivered in the users home directories, on an nfs mount. The nfs mount for this is in the /etc/fstab of the mail server. Today, I had to reboot both the mail server and the nfs server at the same time. The NFS server takes quite some more time than the mail server, so during the boot of the mail server, the nfs share wasn't up. The server just aborted mounting the share and continued the boot pro |
| 21:50.18 | chiche42 | cess. Before I realize that, some of my users mails have then beed delivered on the mail server's local hdd instead of the correct place, on the nfs server. I want to avoid such a situation for a next time. How can I ask debian to really wait until all the nfs shares are really mounted before finishing the boot ? |
| 21:50.37 | Jemt | Eulex: Oh, I see. Thanks :) |
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| 21:51.25 | Eulex | and produce a package named nvidia-kernel appended with the kernel version and the nvidia driver version |
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| 21:53.18 | Jemt | I see. The output says that too. But in this case, the build failed - no reason given |
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| 21:54.14 | Eulex | Jemt: it does provide a buildlog, right? |
| 21:54.33 | Jemt | Oh, I tried the build again, and this time it worked (odd) |
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| 21:58.18 | Badzo | Hello |
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| 21:58.44 | crooksey | Whenever I use flashplayer on debian amd64 my CPU usage rockets to 100% |
| 21:58.45 | crooksey | http://omploader.org/vMTJmNQ |
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| 22:01.35 | nkuttler | crooksey: that's predictable |
| 22:01.48 | crooksey | It is? |
| 22:01.51 | pepperbob | crooksey: flashplayer is still 32 bit isn't it? |
| 22:02.24 | crooksey | pepperbob, not sure, I didnt install it, it came installed after my net-install of lenny |
| 22:02.31 | nkuttler | crooksey: gnash might have slightly better performance |
| 22:03.29 | crooksey | This is my first time with debian amd64, so quite suprised |
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| 22:04.41 | jelly-home | dmm now has flashplayer for amd64, I think |
| 22:04.49 | crooksey | is it something that is likely to be improved in the future? |
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| 22:05.18 | nkuttler | crooksey: ask adobe? |
| 22:05.40 | pepperbob | crooksey: i wonder how long adobe can effort to ignore 64bit.. heh... |
| 22:05.58 | crooksey | Yea I realise that |
| 22:06.13 | Eulex | pepperbob: until negative time from now |
| 22:06.17 | crooksey | Just wondered if it was a known issue or just some weird setup |
| 22:06.24 | Eulex | pepperbob: latest flash 10 works on amd64 |
| 22:06.30 | pepperbob | lol... yeah. right. |
| 22:07.32 | pepperbob | Eulex: well, basically you can get any version to run with adm64 - but it might be pretty slow. i guess flash 10 is still 32bit, itsn't it? |
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| 22:08.37 | Eulex | pepperbob: no. what I meant is that there's a 64-bit version available. |
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| 22:08.49 | Eulex | pepperbob: however, having a 32-bit version wouldn't make it slow |
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| 22:09.23 | cactaur | I was wondering if anyone knew if DOS partition installations are still supported in Etch. Because I couldn't find anything about it in the etch documentation. |
| 22:09.26 | schme | Eulex: an alpha release of course. |
| 22:10.04 | Eulex | pepperbob: if you do heavy 64-bit integer calculations, then yes, amd64 is faster than i386. other than that, it may be even be a bit slower. |
| 22:10.15 | Eulex | cactaur: of course they are |
| 22:10.25 | Eulex | schme: ok |
| 22:10.38 | schme | I want the 64bit :( |
| 22:10.40 | schme | cries. |
| 22:10.48 | schme | ok I'm done. |
| 22:11.33 | mentor | HTF does bomberclone work? |
| 22:11.42 | pepperbob | Eulex: just experienced the same as crooksey did once I ran a 32bit firefox w/ flash on a amd64... |
| 22:11.53 | phobos_anomaly | pepperbob: actually, adobe has an alpha of flash for 64 bit now |
| 22:12.18 | pepperbob | phobos_anomaly: yeah - wow. finally :) |
| 22:12.22 | pepperbob | got to check it out |
| 22:12.32 | cactaur | Eulex: Do you know where I can find the necessary files? Because I've only been able to find them for slink. |
| 22:13.20 | phobos_anomaly | pepperbob: here ya go http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
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| 22:13.59 | schme | Are there any other issues on the x86-64 debian for the desktop user that one should be aware of? |
| 22:14.13 | schme | I might try to give it a try again and see if it works this time :) |
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| 22:14.47 | Eulex | pepperbob: that's related to the wrapper then |
| 22:15.09 | Eulex | cactaur: files for what? |
| 22:15.45 | Eulex | schme: I remember something about java applets, but that may have been fixed |
| 22:16.04 | phobos_anomaly | I've found that flash 64 doesn't work well with firefox although I haven't had any trouble when using it with netscape/iceweasel, and konqueror |
| 22:16.20 | schme | Eulex: Something that can be worked around with the ol' 32bit chroot, ya? |
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| 22:17.03 | schme | Hrm.. I think I'll buy me a new harddrive and see if it works. :) |
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| 22:17.43 | cactaur | http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-install-drive <---- According to this older guide, I'll need these files. But I can't find them in any mirrors for etch. And there isn't anything in the Etch documentation for installing from a DOS partition. |
| 22:18.44 | Eulex | schme: yes. or perhaps that wrapper. |
| 22:18.55 | schme | wrapper? |
| 22:19.05 | enouf | Jemt: so .. got it finally? |
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| 22:19.51 | Eulex | cactaur: ah that. sorry, I thought you asked whether debian supported DOS partition tables. I don't think that method of installing is supported anymore. |
| 22:20.07 | Eulex | schme: that wrapper that enabled you to run a 32-bit plugin in a 64-bit browser |
| 22:20.17 | schme | Hmm.. ok. |
| 22:20.18 | cactaur | Eulex: Oh, ok. Thanks. |
| 22:20.34 | schme | I figured I'd just run the iceweasel in a 32bit chroot and it'd work. heh. :) |
| 22:20.38 | schme | shrugs. |
| 22:20.42 | schme | First I need to get X running ;) |
| 22:21.01 | Jemt | enouf: No, unfortunately not. Eulex recommended me to compile it by source using m-a, but I might have interpreted him incorrectly. I compiled the nvidia-kernel using m-a, but I think I was supposed to build nvidia-glx by source - but that's not available. To be frank, I think I'm a bit confused right now :-/ |
| 22:21.02 | schme | Now no more mindless chattering from this hole. |
| 22:21.23 | enouf | Jemt: i'm sure you are - thank nvidia ;-) |
| 22:21.32 | Jemt | Haha :p |
| 22:21.41 | Jemt | enouf: Any chance you can get me out of this mess ? |
| 22:22.02 | Eulex | Jemt: what's the problem now? |
| 22:22.15 | enouf | Jemt: the instructions i followed have been altered/changed since when i did it ... it was concise then - maybe other things changed too - but i don't see how/why for the -legacy drivers |
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| 22:23.00 | Jemt | What instructions did you follow? Those on the Wiki? I successfully followed the same instructions for the ordinary driver package |
| 22:23.01 | enouf | Jemt: try m-a prepare nvidia-kernel-legacy (the legacy bit is important) |
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| 22:23.12 | jony_ | I installed lenny on an AMD 64 laptop with vista - GRUB does not show linux choice anymore - can anyone help |
| 22:23.14 | enouf | jony_: yes, from the wiki URL |
| 22:23.20 | enouf | erm Jemt i meant |
| 22:23.22 | Jemt | My problem right now? I'm back where I began - I'm currently restoring my system (8 minutes remaining) |
| 22:23.35 | Eulex | uh, so what happened? |
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| 22:24.24 | jony_ | enouf: what do you mean wiki URL |
| 22:24.29 | enouf | Jemt: break the m-a commands down into the 3 mentioned get build install |
| 22:24.41 | enouf | jony_: mistab, ignore me please |
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| 22:25.35 | Jemt | To be hournest, I'm not really sure what I did. I've been struggling with this for half a day, so I have tried a hundred things. I completely messed everything up |
| 22:25.49 | enouf | Jemt: you might find you need to manually remove some pkgs/source/tar.gz/.diff/.dsc files from /usr/src/ |
| 22:25.52 | Jemt | Yes, I always break the build process down to 3 :) |
| 22:26.10 | Jemt | Too late - I'm already restoring from an image made using 'dd' |
| 22:26.12 | enouf | Jemt: start fresh - maybe try again after some rest |
| 22:26.42 | Jemt | There is no chance I can rest until this is solved :p |
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| 22:26.50 | enouf | heh |
| 22:27.08 | Jemt | But this time I will plan it better before I perform any installs |
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| 22:27.53 | enouf | i went through it, and found it always wanted to d/l the source for the 169.xx drivers at that time (cause, i'm partly on sid) |
| 22:28.30 | enouf | i had to manually remove the 169.x crap and try again and ensure i passed the -legacy portion of names to it, IIRC |
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| 22:28.35 | MrWGW | I have a Debian netinst image that freezes up while installing the base system |
| 22:28.53 | MrWGW | its running on a vmware VM with 512 mb of RAM, and a 10 gig disk, with 732 mb of swap |
| 22:28.54 | Jemt | enouf: Okay, good to know. I will try to remember that :) |
| 22:28.56 | MrWGW | and a 10 GB JFS partition |
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| 22:29.03 | MrWGW | any thoughts on what might be causing this? |
| 22:29.20 | MrWGW | is there anything I can do to "unstick" the installer? |
| 22:29.56 | schme | MrWGW: Always freezing at the same spot? |
| 22:30.06 | MrWGW | schme: no |
| 22:30.21 | schme | Messed up. |
| 22:30.32 | Eulex | MrWGW: did you check the other ttys? |
| 22:30.38 | MrWGW | they are responsive |
| 22:30.43 | MrWGW | I can get to busybox etc |
| 22:30.53 | Eulex | what is it doing at that moment? |
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| 22:31.02 | jony_ | hey guys = I updated vista and grub does not show me choice for to boot lenny = why ? |
| 22:31.06 | MrWGW | right now its at 83%, installing the kernel |
| 22:31.12 | MrWGW | and its been like that for several minutse :-p |
| 22:31.15 | MrWGW | as in, over 10 |
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| 22:31.32 | schme | jony_: It still is booting up grub though? |
| 22:31.53 | Eulex | MrWGW: let me rephrase. what is it doing at that exact moment, according to the tty that displays stdout output from the currently running command? |
| 22:32.16 | jony_ | shme: yes, but it shows only vista choices |
| 22:32.35 | enouf | Jemt: funny, my command (~$ apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-source-legacy) shows only these 2 pkgs atm 1) nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source 2) nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx (i'm just perplexed b/c no 96xx appears) |
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| 22:32.43 | MrWGW | oh i can get to busybox and so on |
| 22:32.45 | MrWGW | do a help |
| 22:32.47 | MrWGW | see a list of commands |
| 22:33.14 | MrWGW | oh I see what you mean |
| 22:33.15 | MrWGW | on tty4 |
| 22:33.23 | MrWGW | it says that it just unpacked linux-image-2.6.18* |
| 22:33.25 | MrWGW | you know |
| 22:33.29 | MrWGW | unpacking linux-image etc |
| 22:33.31 | MrWGW | and then its aid done |
| 22:33.34 | Eulex | yeah, didn'y remember the exact number |
| 22:33.47 | MrWGW | and then it said starting pid 996, console /dev/vc/2: '/bin/sh' and then nothing |
| 22:33.48 | enouf | Jemt: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-kernel+source+legacy&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:33.56 | Jemt | enouf: That's good news then. Hopefully I won't expirence the same problem as you did |
| 22:33.58 | Jemt | Checking |
| 22:33.58 | Eulex | MrWGW: odd. |
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| 22:34.47 | MrWGW | its very strange |
| 22:34.54 | enouf | Jemt: now, as far as you being on Lenny, i really can't say - i went for it at the time, cause i heard the sid version worked (and i was already on/into some sid) |
| 22:34.59 | MrWGW | is it possible to restart the installer? |
| 22:35.11 | MrWGW | without rebooting |
| 22:35.16 | giacomo_carissim | im trying to use the experimental package for libgtk2.0-0 but everytime i force version, it flops back to not being upgradable |
| 22:35.16 | enouf | Jemt: i was trying to actually get better 2D support .. what a waste :-P |
| 22:35.24 | Jemt | Haha :) |
| 22:35.48 | craigevil | installing nvdia or ati can be a pain you might take a look at http://smxi.org/ |
| 22:35.56 | Eulex | MrWGW: can you run top from busybox? |
| 22:36.10 | Jemt | enouf: I have made a few steps for my self to follow. Can I ask you to look them over? http://powerzone.dk/build-process.txt |
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| 22:37.26 | enouf | Jemt: ermm .. i just found out how not to let showsrc mess with my head ... yep TAB COMPLETION! FTW ! :-) |
| 22:37.28 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-legacy- |
| 22:37.35 | enouf | TAB+TAB babay |
| 22:37.46 | Jemt | enouf: If that's not how I'm supposed to do, then I have differently misunderstood something |
| 22:37.54 | Jemt | enn: Haha :) |
| 22:37.56 | Jemt | Cool |
| 22:37.58 | giacomo_carissim | how can i force a version of a package from the command line? |
| 22:38.18 | Eulex | giacomo_carissim: packagename=version |
| 22:38.34 | Eulex | alternatively packagename/suite |
| 22:38.55 | giacomo_carissim | so apt-get install packagename=version? |
| 22:39.13 | Eulex | giacomo_carissim: any particular reason you're getting gtk from experimental? what version of debian is the rest of the system? |
| 22:39.16 | Eulex | giacomo_carissim: yes. |
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| 22:39.42 | giacomo_carissim | i have sid i guess... but i want to use a program that needs gtk 2.14 and apparently sid only has 2.12 |
| 22:40.06 | nsadmin | ponder the reasons why experimental packages aren't even in sid yet |
| 22:40.21 | giacomo_carissim | ponder the reasons why you are an awful poster |
| 22:40.31 | craigevil | nsadmin: atm mostly because of lenny being frozen |
| 22:40.35 | giacomo_carissim | i know why |
| 22:40.36 | nsadmin | your loss |
| 22:40.45 | Jemt | nsadmin: Why should they be in unstable when they belong in exp. ? |
| 22:40.51 | MrWGW | could the problem have been that I was using a jFS filesystem? |
| 22:41.00 | nsadmin | Jemt: that's not a reason |
| 22:41.04 | MrWGW | I'll bet the unusual nature of JFS + this setup is what was causing this |
| 22:41.13 | MrWGW | I'm reformatting as ext2 |
| 22:41.15 | MrWGW | which is some suckage |
| 22:41.15 | MrWGW | but alas |
| 22:41.17 | Jemt | nsadmin: exp. > unstable > testing > stable |
| 22:41.22 | MrWGW | the nice thing about JFS is you get minimal cPU utilization + journaling |
| 22:41.28 | nsadmin | giacomo_carissim: nice try at trolling me |
| 22:41.35 | giacomo_carissim | i didn't troll you |
| 22:41.35 | Eulex | giacomo_carissim: that's correct. what could be discussed, however, is that you should've known packagename=version and packagename/suite if you are running unstable. |
| 22:42.00 | Posterdati | hi |
| 22:42.09 | Eulex | MrWGW: all modern file systems to journaling |
| 22:42.12 | giacomo_carissim | hahaha |
| 22:42.21 | Posterdati | please, could anyone suggest me a cms under debian, thanks |
| 22:42.33 | enouf | Jemt: why do you have anything mentioning 2.6.18 when you're on lenny? |
| 22:42.40 | Eulex | Posterdati: drupal is nice. |
| 22:42.45 | nsadmin | obviously he doesn't want to be warned against instability... |
| 22:42.46 | MrWGW | Eulex: I know, but JFS does it with less CPU consumption |
| 22:42.52 | Posterdati | Eulex: is it in repo? |
| 22:42.53 | MrWGW | JFS and XFS are my preferred FSes |
| 22:43.00 | MrWGW | I view ext3 and reiserfs as being repulsively bad |
| 22:43.03 | nsadmin | so let him do anything he wants, tell him how and don't warn about anything |
| 22:43.09 | Eulex | Posterdati: yes. |
| 22:43.25 | Posterdati | Eulex: kde or gnome interface? :) |
| 22:43.27 | MrWGW | ZFS is another nice fS in my book |
| 22:43.43 | MrWGW | XFS is probably my favorite though |
| 22:43.45 | SQlvpapir | but not implemented |
| 22:43.47 | MrWGW | it has some unbelievable capabilities |
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| 22:43.49 | MrWGW | like project quotas |
| 22:43.56 | MrWGW | project quotas let you regulate usage of a directory or a set of directories |
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| 22:44.10 | MrWGW | its really nice for fileservers and office NAS deployments IMO |
| 22:44.23 | Eulex | I heard that XFS is extremely slow at at least removing files |
| 22:44.26 | Jemt | enouf: Sorry, the open source ATI driver made by driver freeze again. Did you check the build-process file I linked to ? |
| 22:44.31 | MrWGW | Eulex: never had that problem |
| 22:44.37 | MrWGW | rm is instantaneous |
| 22:44.46 | Eulex | MrWGW: for many small files. |
| 22:44.46 | MrWGW | Windows Vista is the only OS I've seen that takes forever to delete stuff |
| 22:44.53 | jamon | just don't run xfw without a ups is all |
| 22:44.55 | MrWGW | Eulex: I just haven't had that problem with it |
| 22:44.59 | enouf | Jemt: yes, that's what i'm asking about... |
| 22:45.03 | jamon | s/xfw/xfs |
| 22:45.08 | nsadmin | MrWGW: but not necessarily atomic |
| 22:45.12 | Eulex | MrWGW: ok, I may have been misinformed then |
| 22:45.12 | MrWGW | jamon: that was largely an exaggerated myth |
| 22:45.24 | jamon | no it isn't and wasn't |
| 22:45.25 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, then I missed/misunderstood the question(s) |
| 22:45.26 | MrWGW | and what's more, it was fully patched as of I believe 2.6.23 |
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| 22:45.29 | Jemt | Come again, please |
| 22:45.30 | enouf | Jemt: and .. you do NOT want "binary" pkgs, you want source - look here http://pastebin.ca/raw/1295384 |
| 22:45.52 | Jemt | Checking |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | Jemt: for the 71xx driver, you want this; http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source |
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| 22:46.02 | MrWGW | that complaint is also somewhat of a red herrin |
| 22:46.04 | MrWGW | herring |
| 22:46.14 | MrWGW | well, the install completed with ext2 |
| 22:46.19 | MrWGW | which suggests som tragic JFS hosage |
| 22:47.16 | enouf | Jemt: remove anything in /usr/src/ that has 2.6.18 .. you aer running debian 2.6.26-X correct? |
| 22:47.19 | Jemt | enouf: The binary kernel module interface dosn't work with the custom build driver? |
| 22:47.29 | enouf | what? |
| 22:47.40 | Jemt | 2.6.26-1-686, yes |
| 22:47.45 | MrWGW | but any rate, XFS is a marvelous FS |
| 22:47.49 | MrWGW | its just ... awesome |
| 22:47.53 | MrWGW | and yes, I've experienced power loss with it |
| 22:47.55 | MrWGW | and not lost any data |
| 22:47.58 | MrWGW | on a pre-patched kernel |
| 22:48.00 | enouf | Jemt: do you have "deb-src ..." lines in sources.list for sid and lenny? |
| 22:48.02 | MrWGW | 2.6.16 in fact |
| 22:48.11 | Jemt | enouf: to make sure; nvidia-glx is the actual driver while nvidia-kernel is an interface for the kernel, making it possible to use the driver - yes? |
| 22:48.18 | enouf | no |
| 22:48.20 | Jemt | enouf: Yes, I do |
| 22:48.26 | enouf | Jemt: apt-get update |
| 22:48.51 | Jemt | updating |
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| 22:49.05 | enouf | Jemt: pastebin output of apt-cache showsrc nvidia-kernel-legacy-[TAB][TAB] |
| 22:49.10 | Jemt | Ok |
| 22:49.22 | Eulex | MrWGW: I have a server here at home that experiences at least a few power losses a month. no data ever lost. it has ext3. |
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| 22:49.48 | enouf | Jemt: and also do the same for apt-cache showsrc nvidia-glx-legacy-[TAB][TAB] |
| 22:49.56 | Jemt | I will do that |
| 22:50.04 | Eulex | you'll have to try deliberately to mess up an ext3 partition. |
| 22:50.38 | goauld | !vdpau |
| 22:50.57 | goauld | !mplayer |
| 22:50.57 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html, or http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/faq.html, http://wiki.multimedia.cx/?title=MPlayer_FAQ, #mplayer on irc.freenode.net |
| 22:51.21 | Jemt | enouf: I'm running Debian from my USB device so it's not as fast as one would want. But it's almost done |
| 22:51.27 | goauld | i need vdpau's enabled mplayer .deb package |
| 22:51.41 | enouf | Jemt: ouch ... np |
| 22:52.09 | Eulex | goauld: need? |
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| 22:52.45 | Jemt | enouf: [tab][tab] dosn't auto-complete anything - neither do I get a list of files I can choose from |
| 22:52.51 | cr3 | is there a name for variables looking like @var@? is that typical of a particular format? |
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| 22:53.38 | Macjust | If i set a quota 100 mo for a group x the user y and z are in a groupe , the user y is all right for 100 mo and Z too (so 200 mo) (sorry for my bad english) |
| 22:53.42 | enouf | Jemt: do you have contrib non-free in (both deb and deb-src) your sources.list lines? |
| 22:53.58 | Jemt | checking to make sure |
| 22:54.38 | enouf | Jemt: oh, does tab completion work at all? edit your ~/.bashrc and remove the comments on the 3 lines that start with; if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then |
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| 22:55.26 | enouf | Jemt: then run 'source ~/.bashrc' (IINM) |
| 22:55.36 | Jemt | enouf: I have src, yes; pastebin.ca/1295394 |
| 22:55.40 | Jemt | Ok, will do |
| 22:56.07 | enouf | you have deb-src? what about 'contrib' and 'non-free'? |
| 22:56.22 | enouf | just pastebin the fucker already |
| 22:56.43 | Jemt | enouf: I just did ;) |
| 22:56.48 | Jemt | enouf: I have src, yes; pastebin.ca/1295394 |
| 22:56.51 | enouf | Jemt: you need to add a deb-src sid line - deb-src only |
| 22:56.58 | Jemt | Oooh |
| 22:57.12 | Jemt | Ok, I'll do that |
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| 22:57.29 | enouf | Jemt: so deb-src http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:57.33 | Jemt | Yes |
| 22:57.44 | Jemt | updating again |
| 22:57.50 | enouf | Jemt: no 'deb ...' line, just 'deb-src' |
| 22:57.58 | Jemt | That was fast this time :) |
| 22:57.59 | enouf | well, you get me - /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:58.01 | Jemt | Yes, I got taht ;) |
| 22:58.06 | Jemt | that* |
| 22:58.28 | Jemt | There, all set |
| 22:58.35 | Jemt | Trying the tab|tab part again |
| 22:58.39 | enouf | ok |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | Jemt: was tab completion already enabled and working within the shell? bash? |
| 23:00.36 | enouf | Jemt: to test, apt-cache show hdp{TAB}{TAB} should result in hdparm |
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| 23:00.58 | enouf | well hdparm/ hdparm-dbg |
| 23:01.20 | enouf | thinks Jemt fell in the bowl |
| 23:01.20 | Jemt | enouf: Yes, tab completion worked well with files |
| 23:01.25 | enouf | ok |
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| 23:01.32 | Jemt | No, just waiting for the pastbin :) |
| 23:01.37 | enouf | aye |
| 23:01.42 | Jemt | enouf: pastebin.ca/1295396 |
| 23:02.13 | Jemt | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1295396 |
| 23:02.14 | Jemt | Better |
| 23:02.38 | enouf | Jemt: bingo - except, i see no 71xx stuffs :-/ |
| 23:03.17 | Jemt | Nope :-/ |
| 23:03.32 | Jemt | What about the drivers from Etch? Will they work ? |
| 23:03.50 | Jemt | Oh, different kernel - not likely |
| 23:04.36 | enouf | Jemt: nope (afaik) .. and why would you even want to? :-p |
| 23:04.50 | Jemt | I just want this shitty gfx card to work now :p |
| 23:04.59 | enouf | yeah, this site is clogged |
| 23:05.01 | craigevil | Jemt: if you want an easy hassle free way to install nvidia take a look at http://smxi.org/ |
| 23:05.06 | Jemt | Spent my entire day reading wikis, nvidia documentation and trying out a hundred packages :p |
| 23:05.22 | Jemt | craigevil: thanks, I will check it out |
| 23:05.31 | enouf | Jemt: note all the Binary pkgs built from the pkg http://pastebin.ca/raw/1295400 |
| 23:05.49 | enouf | !nvidia.run |
| 23:05.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>. |
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| 23:05.58 | enouf | heh |
| 23:06.30 | Jemt | I also tried the nvidia-installer - worked fine - I just get a really low resolution and no Direct Rendering |
| 23:06.45 | enouf | Jemt: aha .. now i recall, we want the nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx pkg |
| 23:06.49 | enouf | hehe |
| 23:06.54 | Jemt | Also, I have to specify modelines in xorg.conf to get a better color depth |
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| 23:07.08 | Jemt | enouf: Oh :p |
| 23:07.16 | enouf | Jemt: what does apt-cache showsrc nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx output? |
| 23:07.22 | enouf | info, or nothing? |
| 23:07.23 | Jemt | Checking |
| 23:07.46 | Jemt | info |
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| 23:08.19 | Jemt | I'm getting references to .dsc, .orig.tar.gz files and more |
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| 23:09.25 | enouf | good, so, point m-a at that pkg ... apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx (dang, i forget offhand where it'll go) .. or d/l it and place it in /usr/src/ |
| 23:10.13 | Jemt | Okay, I'll do that :D |
| 23:11.15 | Jemt | enouf: And by "point m-a at that pkg" you mean that I should do 'm-a a-b', right ? |
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| 23:11.37 | Jemt | BRB, Kissing the girlfriend good night :) |
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| 23:12.24 | moon-shadow | how to drive away all users execpt myself in shell ?? |
| 23:13.23 | stoned | judd versions monodevelop |
| 23:13.24 | judd | stoned: monodevelop -- lenny: 1.0+dfsg-3 sid: 1.0+dfsg-3 experimental: 1.0+dfsg-4 |
| 23:13.32 | stoned | wow, even exp has 1.0 wtf |
| 23:13.36 | Jemt | Back :) |
| 23:13.58 | stoned | enouf, http://ws.podzone.org/mono |
| 23:14.12 | stoned | enouf, I instaleld ASP.NET support on apache! yay \o/ |
| 23:15.22 | Jemt | enouf: 'm-a a-b nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx' dosn't work - error: nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx, what is nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx? |
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| 23:15.56 | stoned | wrote a little script in it to test it out, perfecto mundo |
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| 23:16.10 | enouf | Jemt: no, not a-b .. start with m-a prepare; module-assistant build nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx ; |
| 23:16.20 | Jemt | Oh, ok |
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| 23:16.36 | moon-shadow | how to drive away all users execpt myself in shell ?? |
| 23:16.59 | beardy | Fart. |
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| 23:17.26 | enouf | Jemt: erm .. now, bear with me, i forget .. but you have to pass m-a the correct name as Eulex mentioned above, and you need to have the correct nvidia-{kernel,common}-source version available |
| 23:17.45 | enouf | Jemt: the glx crap comes later |
| 23:17.58 | Jemt | Yes, I figured the name was wrong. Still not sure what it's supposed to be |
| 23:17.59 | stoned | <% for (int i=0; i <8; i++) { %> |
| 23:17.59 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.02 | enouf | stoned: nice one ;-) |
| 23:18.05 | stoned | whoops wrong mone |
| 23:18.06 | stoned | one |
| 23:18.10 | enouf | i'm a bit busy here hon |
| 23:18.21 | enouf | :-p |
| 23:18.24 | stoned | dude |
| 23:18.27 | stoned | do NOt call me that |
| 23:18.29 | stoned | ew. |
| 23:18.31 | enouf | hahaha |
| 23:18.39 | enouf | scares the stoner |
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| 23:20.02 | Jemt | enouf: I only have 'nvidia-kernel-source' - not 'nvidia-common-source' |
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| 23:20.07 | enouf | Jemt: nvidia-kernel-legacy-someshit or something, legacy (atleast) was in the name, IIRC |
| 23:20.18 | Jemt | ok |
| 23:20.26 | enouf | try tab completion ;-) |
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| 23:20.52 | Jemt | Oh - I'm only used to that feature when tab completing file paths |
| 23:21.06 | enouf | Jemt: i still cannot fathom that your card can't use the 96xx drivers, but ok .. i know nothing |
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| 23:22.57 | enouf | Jemt: lspci -nn | grep VGA says? |
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| 23:23.26 | Jemt_ | enouf: Sorry, ATI driver crash again |
| 23:23.35 | Jemt_ | That driver is really unstable |
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| 23:24.12 | enouf | haha |
| 23:24.17 | Jemt_ | enouf: I never tried the 96xx series - the driver from nvidia "told me" that it would not support my card. Does it make sense to try the 96xx series from the Debian repository ? |
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| 23:24.42 | enouf | ati AND nvidia? wow, you're really into S&M eh? |
| 23:24.51 | enouf | Jemt: lspci -nn | grep VGA says? |
| 23:24.52 | Jemt_ | LOL :D |
| 23:25.25 | Jemt_ | enouf: On the computer with an ATI or the one with an nVidia card? |
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| 23:25.46 | Jemt_ | ATI: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY [1002:4c59] |
| 23:25.49 | enouf | erm .. which one have we been dealing with? the nvidia you fool |
| 23:25.55 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:25.56 | Jemt_ | LOL, ok |
| 23:26.01 | enouf | !fail Jemt_ |
| 23:26.02 | dustybin | do some people base their whole life on trying to find holes and exploits in software? |
| 23:26.06 | Jemt_ | Thought you were currious about the ATI card as well :p |
| 23:26.18 | enouf | Jemt_: maybe ... next year :-p |
| 23:26.22 | Jemt_ | Haha :) |
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| 23:26.27 | jamon | dustybin: pays well enough if you're good at it |
| 23:26.35 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 23:26.41 | enouf | dustybin: sure, ask the openbsd theo daraat guy |
| 23:26.47 | dustybin | haha |
| 23:27.07 | Jemt_ | enouf: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV15 [GeForce2 GTS/Pro] [10de:0150] (rev a4) |
| 23:27.44 | enouf | Jemt_: ugh.. yep .. 71xx only .. |
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| 23:27.50 | enouf | Jemt_: toss that POS :-p |
| 23:27.51 | Jemt_ | Bugger |
| 23:28.02 | Jemt_ | Haha |
| 23:28.15 | Jemt_ | Actually I have a GeForce 4 available tomorrow |
| 23:28.27 | enouf | goes on Holiday |
| 23:28.27 | Jemt_ | So maybe we shouldn't waste more time on this crap |
| 23:28.30 | enouf | :-p |
| 23:28.34 | Jemt_ | Haha, good idea ;) |
| 23:28.58 | enouf | Jemt_: you're close - you can get it if your review all that's been said :-) .. not just my comments and pointers |
| 23:29.02 | Jemt_ | I just hate the fact that that crap of a gfx card broke me :p |
| 23:29.15 | enouf | !break Jemt_ |
| 23:29.16 | dpkg | tells Jemt_ how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 23:29.23 | Jemt_ | Haha |
| 23:29.29 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:30.33 | Jemt_ | Well, I might give it another try tomorrow. I'm so damn tired of it all right now, that I need to take a break. Thank you so much for your help so far. Appriciate it :) |
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| 23:32.03 | style | Hello |
| 23:32.18 | style | Why may SSh have stopped working after an update of etch? |
| 23:33.07 | kadath | is it running? |
| 23:34.14 | streuner | style: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 23:34.17 | enouf | Jemt: listen - do this; wget -P/usr/src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-71xx/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source_71.86.07-1_i386.deb |
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| 23:35.02 | Jemt | enouf: Okay |
| 23:35.39 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, wait a second. I just added RAM to the system |
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| 23:36.39 | enouf | Jemt: then cd /usr/src ; dpkg -x ./nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source_71.86.07-1_i386.deb .. or just dpkg -i it (it wasn't necessary to d/l the .deb into /usr/src, sorry) |
| 23:37.24 | style | Seams ssh is doing fine. But it has no connection with the internet, nor my network |
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| 23:38.54 | kadath | style: check your routing table netstat -rn |
| 23:39.00 | kadath | maybe you lost your default route |
| 23:39.10 | kadath | also make sure you network interface is still up, ifconfig -a |
| 23:39.12 | enouf | Jemt: i gotta go |
| 23:39.28 | Jemt | enouf: Ok, thanks again |
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| 23:40.03 | style | kadath: 10.0.0.0 = 0.0.0.0, 0.0.0.0 = 10.0.0.138 |
| 23:40.33 | kadath | that looks ok. You still have a eth0? |
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| 23:40.45 | style | Yes |
| 23:40.50 | enouf | Jemt: inside you'll find ./usr/src/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source.tar.gz .. tar -xzvf that sucker |
| 23:41.03 | style | And it has an ip. And the modem sees it. |
| 23:41.14 | Jemt | enouf: Ok, will do |
| 23:41.17 | kadath | ppp? |
| 23:41.29 | style | kadath: It was a loose cable. I got it. |
| 23:41.47 | kadath | style: ok, layer 1 is always the first thing to check :) |
| 23:42.16 | style | Or maybe not... |
| 23:43.45 | Jemt | enouf: Then what? (or are you gone?) |
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| 23:46.28 | chequers | the mirror I use for apt (http://mirror.peer1.net) is giving me a warning this morning: |
| 23:46.31 | chequers | W: GPG error: http://mirror.peer1.net lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 23:46.33 | stoned | what? |
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| 23:47.02 | chequers | what does this error mean and how do I fix it? |
| 23:47.20 | stoned | !key |
| 23:47.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 23:47.52 | chequers | is that to me? that package is already installed |
| 23:48.03 | stoned | !no public key |
| 23:48.03 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/. |
| 23:48.08 | style | Do debian respond to pinging? |
| 23:48.13 | stoned | style, yes |
| 23:48.18 | stoned | !tell style -about pinning |
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| 23:48.28 | stoned | chequers, not sure |
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| 23:48.50 | style | stoned: pinning is not related to pinging! |
| 23:49.14 | HardDisk_WP | does a FTP client with support for active ftp over socks5-proxy exist? |
| 23:50.18 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, the client can do it (i asume) anothe rmather is a proxy, most dont handle that to well |
| 23:50.47 | chequers | !etch key |
| 23:50.48 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 23:51.23 | stoned | !ping |
| 23:51.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:51.29 | chequers | how do I install a new key? |
| 23:51.37 | stoned | style, what what did you say? |
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| 23:52.31 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, it's about testing my self-written socksserver |
| 23:52.33 | HardDisk_WP | testing TCP CONNECT is easy, UDP ASSOC I won't bother to implement |
| 23:52.42 | HardDisk_WP | the only thing i need is an app supporting TCP BIND, and what 'd better fit for this than active ftp? |
| 23:52.43 | HardDisk_WP | now, I only need a client using TCP BIND |
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| 23:53.00 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, do you have one? |
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| 23:53.53 | chequers | HardDisk_WP: any dns server should respond with TCP when the answer doesn't fit into a single UDP packet |
| 23:54.26 | chequers | so find a server with eg >5 long MX server records and query for that |
| 23:54.28 | HardDisk_WP | chequers, uh, I won't implement UDP in my proxy |
| 23:54.30 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, many, but at the top of my head kasablanca can do that |
| 23:54.35 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
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| 23:55.06 | HardDisk_WP | chequers, unfortunately, I know good how the tcp protocol works, but I have absolutely no idea of the UDP stuff |
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| 23:55.19 | s3a | when i try to boot lenny installer off usb, it loads the menu and whatever i choose, i get: ""Loading Linux.Cannot load a ramdisk with an old kernel image. |
| 23:55.19 | s3a | boot:" " |
| 23:55.38 | chequers | HardDisk_WP: oh ok |
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| 23:59.19 | dutchfish | s3a, use the right syslinux version, ie if lenny use lenny verson (downloadable as a tar.gz) |
| 23:59.25 | chequers | bah, seems like my mirror of choise is just borked |
| 23:59.55 | s3a | dutchfish, what's a syslinux version and of what? |