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| 00:00.10 | s3a | dutchfish, are you talking about the boot.img.gz file? |
| 00:00.10 | dutchfish | s3a, you booted from a stick right? |
| 00:00.12 | s3a | dutchfish, ya |
| 00:00.33 | dutchfish | s3a, then you dd a boot.img to the stick right? |
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| 00:01.08 | dutchfish | s3a, make it bootable with syslinux then from leny |
| 00:01.23 | s3a | well someone told me to do 2 steps like that but then another person said to just do zcat thing instead and i did and thanks to that it boots but i got that error |
| 00:01.25 | jmeeuwen | in lenny, if i give a hostname of "debian-lenny.kanarip.com", how come "dnsdomainname" gives "kanarip.com.kanarip.com" ? |
| 00:01.32 | dutchfish | s3a, or use at least a newer syslinux then you have now |
| 00:01.49 | s3a | syslinux=boot.img.gz file? |
| 00:01.58 | EmleyMoor | Your hostname should just be debian-lenny |
| 00:02.06 | s3a | dutchfish, syslinux=boot.img.gz file? |
| 00:02.12 | jmeeuwen | EmleyMoor, how do i set the dnsdomainname, then? |
| 00:02.27 | dutchfish | s3a, it should contains syslinux and some other stuff to boot the installer |
| 00:02.41 | EmleyMoor | It is being set by whatever els you are doing to kanarip.com |
| 00:03.20 | jmeeuwen | EmleyMoor, well if i set the hostname to "debian-lenny" i have no dnsdomainname any more |
| 00:03.35 | dutchfish | s3a, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (i-386 as an example) |
| 00:03.41 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... where are you setting all of this? |
| 00:03.48 | s3a | dutchfish, im attempting 64 bit install |
| 00:03.49 | jmeeuwen | EmleyMoor, just from the terminal |
| 00:04.25 | dutchfish | s3a, s3a http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 00:05.05 | s3a | dutchfish, did i use 32 bit boot.img.gz b4? |
| 00:05.17 | EmleyMoor | jmeeuwen: Not sure I'd know what to do there - never had anything wrong with mine like that |
| 00:05.18 | dutchfish | s3a, no idee |
| 00:05.37 | s3a | dutchfish, http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ is what i got previously |
| 00:06.24 | dutchfish | s3a, mm... looks like armel |
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| 00:06.55 | dutchfish | s3a, the links i have given do work |
| 00:07.08 | s3a | dutchfish, armel is another cpu architecture, right? |
| 00:07.15 | dutchfish | s3a, yes |
| 00:07.16 | SQlvpapir | aha |
| 00:07.51 | mordy | how do i change my default browser in gnome terminal? |
| 00:08.04 | mordy | i tried setting $BROWSER but nothign happens |
| 00:10.09 | s3a | dutchfish, give me like 7 minutes to download it |
| 00:10.09 | dutchfish | s3a, sure |
| 00:10.09 | jmeeuwen | EmleyMoor, same thing in etch btw :/ |
| 00:10.18 | s3a | dutchfish, ill try what i think is a solution and then come back to u if it hasnt worked |
| 00:10.36 | s3a | dutchfish, well ill tell u if i got it working also |
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| 00:10.47 | dutchfish | s3a, k |
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| 00:11.43 | Phillip | NIGGERS |
| 00:11.50 | Phillip | NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER |
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| 00:11.59 | dustybin | oh dear |
| 00:12.17 | Eulex | I wish for a swift k-line |
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| 00:13.32 | dutchfish | s3a, just zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/[your usb device] mount /dev/[your usb device] /mnt and copy debian-LennyBeta2-netinstall-blahblah.iso on it |
| 00:13.50 | s3a | dutchfish, that was my solution :) i just hope it works |
| 00:13.57 | dutchfish | s3a, sure |
| 00:14.17 | dutchfish | s3a, that is if you use the right img along with the installer.iso |
| 00:14.30 | dustybin | I dont think Phillip will be back: http://paste.debian.net/24643/ |
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| 00:14.52 | s3a | dutchfish, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz with lenny testing amd64 cd1 iso |
| 00:15.07 | dutchfish | s3a, yeh, sounds sane |
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| 00:16.11 | Triforce6400 | anyone know anyhthing about kismet |
| 00:16.17 | Triforce6400 | their channel is being completely useless |
| 00:16.28 | streuner | dustybin: it wont take the effect it needed, if he is an real troll... |
| 00:17.30 | Triforce6400 | Damnit I've been trying for two days and nothing will work in this useless thing |
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| 00:18.02 | s3a | dutchfish, do i zcat b4 or after putting the iso in"? |
| 00:18.46 | dutchfish | s3a, with zcat you dump a ready made image on the stick that conatins syslinex and more (do that unmounted!) then mount and copy th eiso on it |
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| 00:19.01 | dutchfish | s/conatins/contains |
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| 00:19.52 | streuner | fxcp: had fun with fnord? ;-) |
| 00:22.54 | Triforce6400 | a program is telling me I need LibPCAP and I did apt-get install libPCAP and it's not there |
| 00:23.36 | streuner | sounds like some sniffer :-) |
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| 00:24.33 | Triforce6400 | eh nevermind i remembered that apt cache search thing |
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| 00:24.51 | dutchfish | Triforce6400, if you are on debian the install process would have installed it along libpcap0.8: /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.8 (if in lenny) |
| 00:25.03 | Triforce6400 | lenny? |
| 00:25.14 | dutchfish | !lenny |
| 00:25.15 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 00:25.21 | HardDisk_WP | networking experts here? |
| 00:25.32 | nsadmin | #networking |
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| 00:25.37 | nsadmin | #netfilter |
| 00:25.43 | Triforce6400 | apt-get install should really be made to search for something in apt-cache is it doesn't find it |
| 00:25.58 | schme | Triforce6400: aptitude does that ;) |
| 00:26.07 | nsadmin | Triforce6400: so what version of debian did you install? |
| 00:26.18 | dutchfish | !tell Triforce6400 about aptitude |
| 00:26.20 | Triforce6400 | etch |
| 00:26.47 | Triforce6400 | i think thats it |
| 00:26.52 | Triforce6400 | the one from the netinst |
| 00:27.47 | Triforce6400 | kismet is turning out to be useless |
| 00:27.59 | schme | It is? |
| 00:28.03 | Triforce6400 | no matter what I do there's always some freaking problem so it can't work |
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| 00:28.38 | schme | So aptitude install kismet is not working for ya? |
| 00:28.43 | nsadmin | Triforce6400: that would be a rule you installed into yourself |
| 00:28.54 | nsadmin | perhaps the rule is useless... |
| 00:29.06 | dutchfish | nsadmin, ;) |
| 00:29.16 | Triforce6400 | it tells me the thing for madwifi_ag wasn't supported so it says to go do ./configure again so I do that and it needs some linpcap package and I install that then it still has the same problem |
| 00:29.24 | Triforce6400 | what do you mean rule |
| 00:29.40 | nsadmin | "no matter what I do I fail" |
| 00:29.43 | schme | Triforce6400: If you are building it obviously you need the -dev package. |
| 00:29.44 | nsadmin | that rule |
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| 00:29.51 | Triforce6400 | what the hell |
| 00:30.00 | Triforce6400 | it's not my fault this thing isn't made right |
| 00:30.10 | schme | ... |
| 00:30.12 | nsadmin | ahh. victim mentality. |
| 00:30.49 | dutchfish | Triforce6400, it is not our fault that you don tread the fine manuals, or have not obtained knowledge to coop with the building of it |
| 00:30.56 | nsadmin | could you stop annoyingly giving up please? |
| 00:31.00 | schme | With madwifi not being part of debian it would be problematic to have kismet built with it. |
| 00:31.04 | Triforce6400 | I read the freaking documentation and everything |
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| 00:31.30 | nsadmin | so you're doing the right thing so far |
| 00:31.43 | schme | So you will have to roll your own from source, and that requires the development packages for libpcap |
| 00:31.48 | nsadmin | but you need to be very specific as to what each separate problem is |
| 00:32.45 | schme | I'd suggest aptitude install libpcap-dev ;) |
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| 00:33.15 | Triforce6400 | If I try to run kismet it tells me "Support for capture source type 'madwifi_b' was not built." and to do ./configure again to see what the problem is, so I do that and then I install the libpcap package and then ./configure is fine but then running kismet still gives the same problem |
| 00:33.29 | schme | Right. |
| 00:33.46 | schme | So did you remove the debian kismet package, install libpcap-dev, ./configure && make && make install |
| 00:33.49 | nsadmin | libpcap-dev? |
| 00:33.50 | schme | and then fire it up? |
| 00:33.55 | schme | after configuring it, of course. |
| 00:34.09 | schme | Triforce6400: I can't wait 'til you run into the problem of wanting to inject packages ;) |
| 00:34.19 | Triforce6400 | remove it? |
| 00:34.21 | schme | packets |
| 00:34.25 | schme | Right. |
| 00:34.30 | schme | I assume you installed the debian kismet. |
| 00:34.37 | Triforce6400 | yes |
| 00:34.43 | schme | Which is not built with madwifi, seeing how madwifi is not part of debian. |
| 00:34.56 | Triforce6400 | I installed madwifi before kismet |
| 00:34.56 | bolt | I've had a small problem with my laptop deadlocking every once in a while, but this time, it actually barfed out some kernel oops lines to a console I happened to have open before going dead on me. I took a picture of it (literally) and put it at http://www.dhampir.no/stuff/private/deadlock.jpg Can anyone help me decipher these messages? |
| 00:35.04 | nsadmin | how do you start kismet? |
| 00:35.07 | schme | so you aptitude remove that. Pull the kismet source, aptitude install libpcap-dev, ./configure && make && make install |
| 00:35.12 | Triforce6400 | type "kismet' |
| 00:35.16 | schme | and voila. You've built your kismet. |
| 00:35.26 | nsadmin | ok, could you show: "which kismet" |
| 00:35.31 | schme | With pcap support and everything. |
| 00:35.32 | schme | ;) |
| 00:35.44 | Triforce6400 | /usr/local/bin/kismet |
| 00:35.52 | nsadmin | ok, that's not the debian one |
| 00:35.58 | Triforce6400 | what |
| 00:36.00 | Triforce6400 | I'm on debian |
| 00:36.22 | dustybin | sorry guys, hacking / sniffing tool discussions are not permitted here |
| 00:36.26 | nsadmin | yes I know, but debian packaging is not allowed to touch /usr/local |
| 00:36.36 | Triforce6400 | what |
| 00:36.38 | bolt | since when? |
| 00:36.40 | Triforce6400 | i hate living |
| 00:37.05 | Triforce6400 | now I can't install the thing I've been trying to do for TWO DAYS |
| 00:37.12 | nsadmin | dustybin: so discussion of cat, ls, mkdir, linux, and gcc are also not permitted? |
| 00:37.36 | dustybin | nsadmin: only joking :P |
| 00:38.27 | dutchfish | bolt, what debian and what kernel? |
| 00:38.38 | nsadmin | "<Triforce6400> i hate living" <-- a different problem :) |
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| 00:39.55 | nsadmin | Triforce6400: seriously... you're building things, and there is a lot to know about what can go wrong as well as how to use the build tools, how to find/fix problems, etc |
| 00:40.09 | xjih78 | how can one change where the symbolic link points to? |
| 00:40.11 | Triforce6400 | this is weird, even after I removed it typing kismet still opens kismet |
| 00:40.23 | s3a | dutchfish, i just got confused now i unmount do zcat /home/deniz/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda and then wen re-insert stick to put iso there r lots of files in the flash drive (ive even reformatted the usb flash drive) |
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| 00:41.01 | nsadmin | Triforce6400: how did you remove it exactly? |
| 00:41.06 | dutchfish | s3a, that seams right yes |
| 00:41.08 | Triforce6400 | aptitude remove kismet |
| 00:41.19 | nsadmin | ok, so you removed the debian one... |
| 00:41.21 | qsi | hello, anyone knows how I can modify the ssh version when telnetting to the ssh port? |
| 00:41.30 | nsadmin | the one in /usr/local is probably still there |
| 00:41.54 | nsadmin | the one in /usr/local being the one you built |
| 00:42.04 | dutchfish | s3a, if you put the iso at the / of th eusb stick it should work |
| 00:42.11 | bolt | dutchfish: sec. it just deadlocked again :) |
| 00:42.23 | dutchfish | bolt, ok |
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| 00:42.55 | fxcp | streuner: do we know each other? ;-) |
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| 00:43.26 | Triforce6400 | now should I do apt-get install kismet or should I build it |
| 00:43.32 | s3a | dutchfish, what do you mean at the / |
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| 00:43.50 | bolt | dutchfish: it's running kernel 2.6.18 on lenny |
| 00:43.56 | bolt | dutchfish: might be time to upgrade, i guess |
| 00:44.02 | bolt | dutchfish: the kernel, i mean |
| 00:44.04 | dutchfish | s3a, at /mnt/sda |
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| 00:44.39 | Triforce6400 | wich one should I do |
| 00:44.48 | dutchfish | bolt, it looks like if it comes out of suspend it oops |
| 00:44.56 | streuner | fxcp: prolly no, why? :-P |
| 00:45.13 | dutchfish | bolt, a newer kernel (from bpo) might possibly help |
| 00:45.33 | bolt | dutchfish: this happens while working normally. i've disabled all sorts of "suspension" because I log on remotely to it quite often when I'm at my stationary machine at home |
| 00:45.49 | schme | Triforce6400: You should build it. |
| 00:46.00 | dutchfish | bolt, no memory failing, you have checked with memcheck? |
| 00:46.04 | bolt | dutchfish: yep |
| 00:46.06 | Triforce6400 | have to do everything the hard way don't I |
| 00:46.08 | Triforce6400 | -.- |
| 00:46.22 | schme | It seems so. |
| 00:46.26 | dutchfish | bolt, you have the machine up to date? |
| 00:46.37 | bolt | dutchfish: i'll try a newer kernel and run memcheck overnight though. only ran it for one pass |
| 00:46.45 | schme | Triforce6400: But good work on reading the documentation and actually having built it in the first place :) |
| 00:46.57 | schme | goes off to bed. |
| 00:46.59 | Triforce6400 | I built it last time |
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| 00:47.11 | dutchfish | bolt, i would let it check all 5 stages, some mem errors only are analyzed by doing so |
| 00:47.13 | nsadmin | and it worked last time? |
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| 00:47.27 | bolt | dutchfish: ok. will do |
| 00:47.57 | s3a | dutchfish, ok im gonna restart from scratch cuz i have a headache (here's a guide im making for myself for future reference, could u plz point out what's wrong? --> http://pastebin.com/m4d95cdbf) |
| 00:47.58 | dutchfish | bolt, also check if you have other hardware problems, like a dieng powersupply |
| 00:48.04 | Triforce6400 | configure: error: installed libpcap version does not support features Kismet requires. Upgrade to a current version of libpcap --- that one someone gave me was the wrong one I guess |
| 00:48.25 | bolt | dutchfish: kind of hard to verify in a laptop? |
| 00:48.35 | nsadmin | Triforce6400: hmm... see if there's a later one backported |
| 00:48.45 | dutchfish | bolt, yes |
| 00:48.49 | Triforce6400 | I'll go for the one with the highest number |
| 00:48.50 | Triforce6400 | 8 |
| 00:48.54 | nsadmin | if not, you might have to build the lib |
| 00:48.59 | schme | Triforce6400: Or make a .deb from the latest one ;) |
| 00:48.59 | vchrizz | ive got lenny running and since i installed e16 the fonts at login screen are really small, i googled and installed some additional fonts though fonts are small... im looking for a place where to set them bigger? |
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| 00:49.29 | nsadmin | right, a .deb would fit well in your system |
| 00:49.49 | dutchfish | s3a, add sync && sync after zcat to make sure all pending writing is done |
| 00:49.50 | fxcp | streuner: [01:18] <streuner> fxcp: had fun with fnord? ;-) |
| 00:50.03 | dutchfish | s3a, the rest is ok |
| 00:50.16 | HardDisk_WP | hmm...a SSL connection would warn me, if the sent data is incomplete or mixed up? |
| 00:50.21 | s3a | dutchfish, zcat /home/deniz/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda sync && sync ? |
| 00:50.46 | dutchfish | s3a, zcat /home/deniz/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda && sync && sync |
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| 00:51.16 | streuner | fxcp: well, you could waste time and not, but best thing are people who have humor ;-) |
| 00:51.20 | Gun_Smoke | Is it possible to see failed passwords by a user? I didn't see anything in auth.log.. I'd like to know if failed attempts were just fat fingered mistakes or a dictionary attempts. |
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| 00:51.57 | streuner | fxcp: in short, it answered my question :-P |
| 00:52.16 | dutchfish | bolt, you could also run powertop for a long time and observe what happens, analyze syslog and dmesg also |
| 00:52.26 | s3a | dutchfish, what does the sync stuff do? |
| 00:52.44 | dutchfish | s3a, force pending writes to complete to th eusb device |
| 00:53.10 | vchrizz | could someone please tell me where do i set the font size of the text at login screen? im using e16 with gnome under lenny |
| 00:53.38 | s3a | dutchfish, again, there are like a million files (it's not like an empty usb flash drive for me to just put lenny iso in) |
| 00:53.48 | davividal | hi all. I've an little home firewall (running Debian Etch) and an little home mail server (running Conectiva 10). my mail server only gets connection time out when tries to connect to any outside mail server to deliver emails. In my firewall, I got these messages: http://pastebin.com/d7efb3432 . where should I look in order to get more info? |
| 00:54.04 | dutchfish | s3a, million could not be, but more like 15 files or so |
| 00:54.23 | s3a | dutchfish, lol well 29 |
| 00:54.35 | dutchfish | s3a, dont know exact number, could be |
| 00:54.50 | s3a | dutchfish, well i chedked but is this not a problem? |
| 00:54.51 | Triforce6400 | aaah this is impossible |
| 00:55.00 | Triforce6400 | no matter what I do there's still something wrong |
| 00:55.01 | Triforce6400 | http://pastebin.com/d57ee776 |
| 00:55.02 | s3a | dutchfish, /media/Debian Inst has 29 files |
| 00:55.33 | dutchfish | s3a, again that could match |
| 00:55.50 | s3a | dutchfish, what? |
| 00:56.04 | s3a | dutchfish, sorry for being stupid :( |
| 00:56.32 | Triforce6400 | can you just tell me exactly what do do on this because I'm getting tired of these vague error messages that offer no solution and this useless readme that doesn't actually help with how to put this together |
| 00:56.38 | dutchfish | s3a, i meant there SHOULD be some files there, os yes |
| 00:57.07 | s3a | dutchfish, os? and what do i do now? |
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| 00:57.26 | dutchfish | s3a, nothing, just copy th eiso on it and boot it |
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| 00:57.32 | klick | Hello folks |
| 00:57.48 | s3a | dutchfish, i copy it in /media/Debian Inst with all the other files to make 30 files? |
| 00:57.50 | Triforce6400 | I have done every little thing the exact way the readme and someone in here told me to and this program is still being a worthless pile of garbage |
| 00:58.28 | klick | I just installed Debian on my girlfriends laptop. I changed the xorg.conf file to use the intel driver instead of vesa to get the desired 1440x900 resolution. When I try to start the Xorg server it says it cannot find /dev/agpgart. intel_agp and agpgart are loaded. The machine is a HP 6510b laptop. |
| 00:58.43 | davividal | any tip about my problem? |
| 00:58.51 | s3a | dutchfish, it says not enuf space (like 200 sumtin left) but it's a 4gb drive so i no it can handle the cd1 iso and other stuff without a problem |
| 00:58.55 | davividal | I'm already using iptables -j LOG rules |
| 00:59.13 | dutchfish | s3a, copy the ISO file (netinstall) on it |
| 00:59.32 | dutchfish | s3a, its about 120mb or so |
| 00:59.58 | s3a | dutchfish, last time i did that (it worked) but it didn't detect my network wired or wireless so i just wanna do it with cd1 so i can fix that easily later |
| 01:00.15 | s3a | i know i can fit the cd1 iso for a fact |
| 01:00.18 | s3a | i did b4 |
| 01:00.23 | s3a | but i did sumtin wrong so |
| 01:00.33 | s3a | it gave me that boot error (the armel thing) |
| 01:01.00 | s3a | dutchfish, and some guide that i didnt understand said i could use cd iso too not just netinst |
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| 01:01.47 | Zambezi | I tried the Expert mode when I installed Debian Lenny and it asked if I wanted to install grub2. I skipped, but what would you say about it? |
| 01:02.15 | dutchfish | s3a, then you have to make anothe rpartition on the stick with the free space and put it there, then symlink it from the first |
| 01:02.30 | dutchfish | s3a, i have to go now, good luck |
| 01:02.41 | s3a | dutchfish, i dont even no wat symlink is |
| 01:03.00 | dutchfish | others now in here, i need to go |
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| 01:03.08 | s3a | dutchfish, k, thx for help |
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| 01:03.37 | s3a | so can someone help me with this usb flash drive installer issue i have? |
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| 01:10.44 | davividal | can anyone help me with an debian firewall issue? |
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| 01:12.27 | matong | hello has anyone got a bluetooth headset working? |
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| 01:17.32 | davividal | can anyone help me with an debian firewall issue? |
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| 01:22.50 | neon|fixingvpn | I've been trying to debug a problem with an ssh connection all day now. When I type in a command such as just ls -al of a directory with lots of files, the connection starts hanging for large periods of time. This is the relevant data (big hangs at 4, 6, 8 minutes) : http://pastebin.com/d51d382cc |
| 01:23.25 | neon|fixingvpn | if anyone here knows what is causing that problem I'd be eternally grateful. I can't work out why ssh is sending packets of length 2772 with don't fragment set |
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| 01:28.20 | hypn0tek | hello |
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| 01:29.10 | hypn0tek | I've upgraded from Etch to Lenny, but I don't know if it was really updated or not ! |
| 01:29.54 | davividal | hypn0tek: topic. /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 01:30.02 | hypn0tek | there was some changes on my machine, some problems... How can I know if am in Etch or lenny ? |
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| 01:33.33 | stoned | http://monodevelop.com/Creating_ASP.NET_Projects |
| 01:33.34 | stoned | oops |
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| 01:35.06 | illio | I'm curious.. I've been trying to set up Nagios on Debian etch, however it seems no guides are really out there detailing how to do it with Debian packages.. all available guides uses the new source code.. does that even make sense to do? .. and if not, where would one find what to do with the nagios install the package creates?.. I can see it uses a completely other directory structure |
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| 01:43.39 | litwol|mac | hi guys |
| 01:44.04 | litwol|mac | i would like to install mysql 5.1 using apt-get on deb4.0 but i'm not sure which repository to connect to |
| 01:44.20 | litwol|mac | i've just installed debian from scratch so i ahve all the default settings |
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| 01:44.29 | litwol|mac | and apt-get install only shows mysql 5.0 available |
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| 01:46.56 | Faithful | Could there be something I don't know about limiting ram usage to 1GB in etch? I have 4GB but etch only sees 1GB |
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| 01:47.25 | dvs | Faithful: you need the bigmem kernel |
| 01:47.50 | Faithful | wow... |
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| 01:48.16 | Faithful | dvs: did this happen because I upgraded my ram after I installed? |
| 01:48.32 | dvs | Faithful: no |
| 01:48.46 | deadcat_ | Faithful: SMP? |
| 01:49.06 | Faithful | deadcat_: yes SMP |
| 01:49.11 | enouf | Faithful: it's your -486 kernel |
| 01:49.15 | enouf | get a -686 |
| 01:49.20 | dvs | seconded |
| 01:49.31 | Faithful | checking... |
| 01:49.44 | dvs | Faithful: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:50.16 | litwol|mac | what is the url to experimental repository ? |
| 01:50.17 | enouf | Faithful: but unless you get a -bigmem or .. if you have a 64bit cpu you could use a amd64 one |
| 01:50.44 | dvs | enouf: why use amd64? Isn't that for 64-bit stuff? |
| 01:50.44 | enouf | you will only see about ~3.2G out of 4G, due to PCI i/o device space |
| 01:51.11 | enouf | dvs: not only for that, but yes |
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| 01:53.18 | litwol|mac | i cant figure out how to tell aptitude to scan experimental repository |
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| 01:53.53 | dvs | !iymays |
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| 01:54.08 | dvs | !iyhtays |
| 01:54.08 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 01:54.39 | Faithful | All my other machines are 64bit so that is probably why I have this issue and not on the other boxes |
| 01:55.25 | enouf | Faithful: the -486 version is the reason you see only 1G |
| 01:55.39 | dvs | I'd get the 686 version |
| 01:55.55 | Faithful | enouf: Ok... I am checking. The box is still firing up. |
| 01:55.55 | litwol|mac | dvs: what should i write in sources.list to enable experimental package installs ? i want to install mysql 5.1 |
| 01:56.12 | dvs | litwol|mac: I don't use mysql or experimental |
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| 01:56.34 | litwol|mac | who knows how to enable experimental package downloads ? |
| 01:56.46 | dvs | !iyhtays |
| 01:56.46 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 01:57.09 | litwol|mac | you are not being helpful |
| 01:57.39 | Faithful | Hee Hee 386 kernel |
| 01:57.51 | Faithful | Thanks for you help guys... |
| 01:58.20 | firebird619 | I am using genisoimage and wodim to backup some files/directories in /home. The first DVD I did was fine, but the second one took all of the files in each directory and put them on the DVD all together instead of keeping them in their respective folders. Is there something I can do to correct this? |
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| 02:04.28 | Octalot | firebird619: have a look at the -graft-points option to growisofs. Although I'll be happy if someone else suggests something better. |
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| 02:05.53 | enouf | firebird619: is it possible your dotfiles in /home/username are treated as the ISO standard as it pertains to using a leading '.' to filenames? |
| 02:06.14 | firebird619 | Octalot: Ok, Thanks. |
| 02:06.17 | enouf | the man pages talk more about all that IIRC |
| 02:07.15 | enouf | other than that, yes -graft-points was going to be my suggest, although i hear there are still issues with utf-8 no matter what |
| 02:07.46 | firebird619 | enouf: Sorry, but I am not sure what you mean with the dotfiles treated as ISO standard. I wasn't burning any . files (hidden files) though. |
| 02:08.22 | enouf | firebird619: oh, ok - nm my quackery theories then ;-) |
| 02:08.35 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok :) |
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| 02:09.15 | enouf | firebird619: but for info, scan the genisomage man page for 'dot' |
| 02:09.25 | enouf | er genisoimage |
| 02:10.40 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. Thanks. Any idea why the first DVD I burned would have been right (i.e. all files in their directories just as they are in /home) and the second DVD all put together in no directories at all. I used the same options for both. |
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| 02:11.38 | enouf | doesn't make sense .. hrm.. making an ISO of the same files? |
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| 02:12.10 | enouf | on the 2nd DVD i mean |
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| 02:13.36 | firebird619 | enouf: No, different files, but just files in folders like the first DVD. |
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| 02:15.57 | firebird619 | enouf: I was just trying to just backup my stuff (done already, but I like to make duplicates) because I am afraid my hdd might be going bad, it is making some noises that it shouldn't be. |
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| 02:16.30 | dvs | firebird619: are you getting the "DriveNotReady" messages on your screen? |
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| 02:16.51 | firebird619 | dvs: No, haven't seen any error messages. |
| 02:17.18 | over9k | hi guys, is there a way to get to my lan box through gateway if i can ssh to gateway? |
| 02:17.38 | over9k | to make pf through gateway on port 80 of my lan box |
| 02:18.28 | enouf | firebird619: it almost sounds like -graft-points was used, but incorrectly .. but no, nothing comes to mind offhand at all - perhaps review http://cdrkit.org/ |
| 02:19.38 | enouf | firebird619: can you show us your command? |
| 02:19.55 | firebird619 | enouf: I didn't pass -graft-points as an option, I did genisoimage -o backup.iso -r -J -l (files) and then wodim dev=/dev/scd0 driveropts=burnfree fs=14M speed=8 -dao -eject -overburn -v backup.iso |
| 02:21.52 | over9k | can anyone help me with my ssh port forward problem ? |
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| 02:24.08 | enouf | firebird619: review the media with dvd+rw-mediainfo or similar - see if perhaps there was an existing track on dvd2 vs none on dvd1 .. i'm at a loss though |
| 02:24.53 | firebird619 | enouf: I can check that, but both dvd's were taken from my spindle of blank dvds. |
| 02:25.04 | enouf | ok, fair enough |
| 02:26.19 | firebird619 | enouf: My hdd is making like click sound and then another weird scratchy like sound. I hope it lasts long enough to get everything backed up. Any tips? |
| 02:26.20 | cads | are you guys familiar with ZFS and what it can do? It is amazing, imo, but the rest of openSolaris leaves a lot to be had. I was wondering if you guys know about using ZFS with debian? |
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| 02:27.39 | elvis | Heil! |
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| 02:29.25 | Wyzard | cads: It can be used via FUSE |
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| 02:29.49 | revx | I don't use debian but I found that bug #397012 is the same issue I'm having -- a bug in imlib2 that I'm submitting a patch for (simple fix) in minutes. Is there anybody I should CC this to in debian world? |
| 02:29.53 | Wyzard | cads: but it's not in the kernel, and will never be (unless someone reimplements it from scratch) because Sun's ZFS code is not GPL-compatible |
| 02:30.55 | enouf | firebird619: i like another HDD to rsync (or tar.gz) to ;-) |
| 02:31.20 | firebird619 | enouf: And if you don't have another one? :( |
| 02:32.07 | firebird619 | enouf: I was going to get a 500 GB external a couple weeks ago (I chose it because it was in my price range--not much) but they were out of them. |
| 02:32.44 | enouf | firebird619: use {g}ddrescue (and testdisk / photorec) if you get into trouble .. install smartmontools to check disk health? grab your HDD manuf diagnstics and run that |
| 02:33.07 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, Thanks alot for the help. |
| 02:33.18 | enouf | np |
| 02:33.39 | Octalot | revx: that bug seems to have been fixed a long time ago. Have you a regression, or an old package? |
| 02:33.49 | enouf | cads: check out btrfs |
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| 02:34.17 | Mvdl | hola alguein podria ayudarme quiero bajar debian 3.0 y nose de donde bajarlo |
| 02:34.20 | revx | Octalot: well the underlying bug in imlib2 is not fixed |
| 02:34.43 | Mvdl | porque solo la version 4.0 me aparece y lo quiero para una pc con muy pocos recursos |
| 02:34.47 | revx | Octalot: it's a data alignment error which is likely to cause problems in the future :/ |
| 02:35.03 | cads | butter-fs looks interesting, enouf |
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| 02:35.36 | enouf | firebird619: lastly (from cdrkit.org link) http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debburn-devel/ |
| 02:35.57 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, Thanks. |
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| 02:37.45 | Octalot | revx: if the upstream is still active (not sure if it is), it might be easier to let the fix go upstream from your distro, and then come back downstream to Debian |
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| 02:38.39 | Octalot | revx: the person to CC is Laurence J. Lane <ljlane@debian.org> |
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| 02:39.03 | Octalot | and thanks for fixing it :) |
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| 02:39.25 | revx | Octalot: I happened to notice debian bugs with it too while googling at first ;P |
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| 02:40.47 | enouf | Wyzard: someone is/was? trying to do something with it - i lost track of any progress/stalling ... see last posting here http://lwn.net/Articles/287906/ <-- read that cads ;-P |
| 02:42.00 | enouf | heh http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 02:42.48 | Wyzard | enouf: I don't know of any effort underway to reimplement ZFS as a GPL-compatible in-kernel filesystem |
| 02:43.07 | firebird619 | enouf: smartmontools is showing errors for one of my hard drives, error 81, 82, 83, 84, and 85. |
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| 02:43.16 | newsense | whats that dpkg factoid to reinstall configs |
| 02:43.24 | enouf | Wyzard: indeed, hence my pointing to btrfs, or other alternatives |
| 02:43.27 | dvs | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:43.33 | Supaplex | !confmiss |
| 02:43.33 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 02:43.45 | newsense | thanks :) |
| 02:43.48 | Supaplex | np :) |
| 02:43.52 | enouf | Wyzard: " Paul Fox is working on a port of DTrace to Linux, but that ignores the licensing realities that would never allow it to become part of Linux. It also ignores the difficult path a DTrace port would face getting merged into the mainline. " |
| 02:43.55 | dvs | :-P |
| 02:43.55 | newsense | couldnt remember it for the life of me |
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| 02:45.03 | enouf | firebird619: ok, which HDD? |
| 02:45.09 | Wyzard | enouf: seems kinda pointless to me, since it can't be released |
| 02:45.16 | firebird619 | enouf: /dev/hda (/home) |
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| 02:45.24 | enouf | *concurs* |
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| 02:46.31 | enouf | firebird619: the HDD that you're concerned with? i'm not familiar with exact error messages from smart analysis, but dpkg -L smartmontools | grep doc |
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| 02:47.56 | firebird619 | enouf: The drive I think is making the noise is /home, so yeah. I will check the docs, hope it keeps going. :) I know this is personal preference and everyone has different opinions, but which brand hdd would you get? |
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| 02:49.20 | enouf | well .. not sure anymore - i'd personally look at hitachi and samsung, maybe certain lines of WD or seagates .. but see #hardware i guess |
| 02:49.21 | kingsley | Why would the "ping" and "host" commands resolve a domain name to different IP addresses? |
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| 02:49.48 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, thank you for all your help. |
| 02:50.43 | enouf | firebird619: i wasn't helpful much though .. but no prob |
| 02:50.54 | firebird619 | :) |
| 02:51.17 | kingsley | s/host/host" and "dig/ |
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| 03:03.43 | cads | I'd like to install straight debian onto my system to get away from all of ubuntu's package munging. I'd like to be close to upstream package releases, so which distribution should I chose? My understanding is that I'd chose between sid or lenny, where etch is a little older |
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| 03:05.41 | CheeToS | cads: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1 |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | cads: unless you're well versed in issues with packaging, i'd stick with lenny at this point, but it is less close to upstream |
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| 03:07.41 | cads | will the network install work over a wireless network? |
| 03:13.05 | abrotman | cads: depends on your wifi card |
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| 03:25.35 | peteweez | Does Debian's version of VLC not support H.264 videos? |
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| 03:26.10 | newsense | i know mplayer does for sure |
| 03:26.12 | stoned | check package details |
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| 03:26.30 | stoned | perhaps soemthing in /usr/shared/doc |
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| 03:26.43 | newsense | /usr/share/doc never heard of it |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/ you mean ? |
| 03:26.47 | stoned | or maybe you might need to get the source package and look at build options |
| 03:26.52 | stoned | yes |
| 03:26.59 | stoned | that is exactly what I mean |
| 03:27.04 | peteweez | Ugggh I'd rather just build it myself |
| 03:27.05 | paronitar | heya |
| 03:27.08 | peteweez | PIT as that might be |
| 03:27.09 | newsense | wonder what kinda config files could be in there |
| 03:27.12 | peteweez | *PITA |
| 03:27.40 | peteweez | I can tell you this much...libx264 does not appear to be in the standard Debian repositories |
| 03:27.48 | peteweez | I got it from debian-multimedia |
| 03:27.49 | newsense | !dmm |
| 03:27.49 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 03:27.58 | dcnoye | i lost my connection while connected thru ssh, how do i reconnect to the same session, or switch over to it ? |
| 03:28.19 | paronitar | can anyone help me with unstable version? i need to run desktop from the console but i cant get it right |
| 03:28.22 | newsense | libx264-60 thats what i use |
| 03:28.29 | newsense | from dmm |
| 03:28.34 | stoned | paronitar, startx ? |
| 03:28.37 | abrotman | dcnoye: were you using screen ? |
| 03:28.44 | dcnoye | no |
| 03:28.52 | stoned | well then your session is gone |
| 03:28.58 | peteweez | I suppose what I'm asking is: If vlc requires libx264 for H.264 playback, and libx264 isn't in standard Debian repositories, then the vlc from standard Debian repositories would not support H.264, correct? |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | dcnoye: do you see the ssh session still going ? |
| 03:29.11 | newsense | guess not than |
| 03:29.15 | dcnoye | yes |
| 03:29.23 | dcnoye | pts/1 |
| 03:29.25 | abrotman | !info retty etch |
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| 03:29.46 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 03:30.01 | peteweez | newsense: That's a pain in the backside, but thanks for the help. |
| 03:30.04 | stoned | his ssh session is still going? |
| 03:30.09 | abrotman | so he says |
| 03:30.13 | newsense | just add the repo and the key |
| 03:30.17 | newsense | its simple really |
| 03:31.04 | stoned | I use kaffeine for everything |
| 03:31.05 | peteweez | newsense: yes |
| 03:31.09 | peteweez | newsense: I have. |
| 03:31.20 | stoned | I don't know if vlc does or doesn't playback h264 |
| 03:31.27 | peteweez | newsense: But the VLC I have doesn't appear to want to call libx264 |
| 03:31.31 | dcnoye | i'll try it..., thought there was another way of doing that |
| 03:31.39 | stoned | I'm pretty sure it does I had some anime encoded in it and I could play it in vlc I think I remember |
| 03:31.43 | peteweez | It's installed, but it doesn't work with my VLC |
| 03:31.44 | newsense | petemc, upgrade and get vlc from dmm |
| 03:31.54 | peteweez | newsense: dmm has a vlc? |
| 03:32.00 | abrotman | dcnoye: man ssh ? |
| 03:32.03 | newsense | i know the mplayer from there was compiled with way more codecs than standard repo |
| 03:32.10 | peteweez | yeah I read that |
| 03:32.13 | newsense | they might not sure |
| 03:32.15 | newsense | let me check |
| 03:32.17 | stoned | Maintainer: Debian multimedia packages maintainers <pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 03:32.28 | dcnoye | that might be worth checking too |
| 03:32.37 | newsense | nope |
| 03:33.04 | peteweez | newsense: they have their own mplayer and ffmpeg but no vlc :-( |
| 03:33.37 | peteweez | newsense: So, just installing the 264 lib wouldn't give VLC support for that codec...I have to recompile it. I sorta knew that, but I was hopeful |
| 03:33.38 | newsense | unless they are using a lower version than standard rrepos, i just did an apt-cache policy on vlcc |
| 03:33.44 | newsense | s/vlcc/vlc |
| 03:33.57 | peteweez | newsense: no I looked through the origin:dmm tab on synaptic |
| 03:34.05 | stoned | just get the soruce package, add the option, rebuild the pckage |
| 03:34.08 | stoned | very easy |
| 03:34.10 | newsense | sorry :( |
| 03:34.14 | peteweez | it's cool |
| 03:34.29 | peteweez | I just wanted to avoid that because compiling VLC means compiling a lot of other things |
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| 03:34.39 | stoned | no it doesn't |
| 03:34.43 | newsense | no |
| 03:34.49 | peteweez | for example, the live555 library provided by debian repos is not good enough for the latest VLC |
| 03:34.59 | peteweez | Oh you suggest apt-get source-ing |
| 03:35.05 | newsense | use the same version jusy compile wiith 264 support |
| 03:35.08 | peteweez | I usually go to the websites and download the tarball |
| 03:35.09 | stoned | apt-get build-dep vlc; apt-get source vlc; edit your source and build the package with dpkg-buildpacakge |
| 03:35.17 | nsadmin | usually you just need lots of libFOO-dev packages installed |
| 03:35.28 | peteweez | nsadmin: yeah that's part of the hassle |
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| 03:35.41 | newsense | easy :) |
| 03:35.41 | peteweez | I think I have most of them, actually |
| 03:35.44 | peteweez | true that |
| 03:35.52 | stoned | so remove the dev apcakges after you have built the thing |
| 03:35.53 | newsense | just get mplayer from dmm and be done than haha |
| 03:35.56 | nsadmin | apt-get build-dep is for hassles! |
| 03:36.13 | peteweez | Nah, it's cool. It's my bad because I was trying to build the source downloaded directly from videolan.org |
| 03:36.23 | peteweez | If I download it through apt-get source, it should work better.... |
| 03:36.28 | stoned | if I run etch, I keep a 32bit etch chroot for building packages to transfer over to my main etch. same with testing and sid |
| 03:36.37 | stoned | I hate a dirty system |
| 03:36.41 | nsadmin | debianized source should build correctly, and you get debian packages to boot |
| 03:36.50 | nsadmin | so you'll always be able to uninstall |
| 03:36.54 | stoned | you can go crazy in the chroot no problem |
| 03:37.03 | peteweez | stoned: why do you do that |
| 03:37.04 | stoned | if you can afford a development machine go with that intead |
| 03:37.16 | peteweez | and what is a dev machine? |
| 03:37.26 | stoned | oh boy |
| 03:37.28 | peteweez | lol |
| 03:37.32 | stoned | peteweez, heh |
| 03:37.45 | peteweez | Do you mean an extra box? |
| 03:37.45 | stoned | uhm. well I do that becuae I don't want my debian machine cluttered up with bulcrap |
| 03:37.48 | peteweez | just for goofing off |
| 03:37.55 | stoned | so I install another debian inside a chroot to build things |
| 03:37.57 | nsadmin | a machine that's not the one that your mom, sis and bro use to surf the net while holding a piece of french toast over the keyboard? |
| 03:37.59 | stoned | for a bulid env. |
| 03:38.08 | peteweez | oh yeah |
| 03:38.43 | peteweez | Wait, you actually have your mom, sis, and bro using a Linux system? |
| 03:38.50 | peteweez | I'd love to see my mom use one...lol! |
| 03:38.51 | stoned | currently I'm using sid/experimetnal and half my syste is compiled from source |
| 03:39.00 | stoned | not I |
| 03:39.24 | stoned | my people use windows and they are much happy campers until they want me to come over and remove viruses for fix a bluescreen on start |
| 03:39.27 | nsadmin | all you have to do is configure xsession so it starts a browser |
| 03:39.47 | nsadmin | and no, I don't... but I'd never be so mean as to subject them to windows |
| 03:39.47 | stoned | weirdos |
| 03:40.01 | stoned | windows is fine |
| 03:40.18 | newsense | runs off to create chroot |
| 03:40.25 | peteweez | stoned: It is...it just doesn't have as many options |
| 03:40.30 | stoned | for us |
| 03:40.37 | stoned | sure, for our family members, its perfect. |
| 03:40.42 | peteweez | Ugggh...chroot. Brings back memories from trying to use gentoo on my old POS machine |
| 03:40.43 | newsense | and i was dirtying up my crap err main box for nothing |
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| 03:41.29 | peteweez | Gentoo + slow processor that loves to segfault = BAD! |
| 03:41.56 | nsadmin | I'd never recommend windows pretty much to anyone who has a machine on the net... never recommend it as any kind of server either |
| 03:42.11 | peteweez | Windows has its time and its place. |
| 03:42.24 | nsadmin | its time was 1989 |
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| 03:42.31 | stoned | nsadmin, I recommend IIS to my clients based on what thier needs are |
| 03:42.37 | stoned | never say never. |
| 03:42.51 | stoned | always use the best tool for the job |
| 03:42.57 | stoned | dont' discriminate ! |
| 03:43.12 | abrotman | OT ? |
| 03:43.15 | nsadmin | you just said you do... discriminate is simply filtering |
| 03:43.16 | peteweez | Well thanks for your help guys...I will apt-get source my vlc. |
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| 03:44.04 | nsadmin | or are you trying to mix the emotional charge of racial discrimination with os preferences? :) |
| 03:44.24 | stoned | I like monkeys. |
| 03:44.48 | stoned | and donkeys too. |
| 03:45.13 | stoned | peteweez, btw, go to #vlc and ask them about building h264 support |
| 03:45.19 | peteweez | I will |
| 03:45.44 | peteweez | Actually, I think I can handle it. ./configure should enable it by default since libx264 is distributed by VideoLAN |
| 03:45.51 | peteweez | but if I have problems, I'll go there |
| 03:45.52 | nsadmin | other than that... it's like you say, the virus thing is too much... |
| 03:45.53 | stoned | word |
| 03:46.05 | peteweez | There are what, 40 known viruses for Linux? |
| 03:46.19 | nsadmin | never caught any |
| 03:46.19 | peteweez | thought I read that somewhere |
| 03:46.37 | peteweez | upgrade your kernel often enough and you shouldn't... |
| 03:46.54 | infinity_ | anyone know how to make screen inherit dynamic variables from the original login shell? Every time i login, my SSH* env var's change, but i don't want to have to reboot screen |
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| 03:52.42 | abrotman | infinity_: where do you define those? |
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| 03:53.01 | infinity_ | abrotman: sshd does |
| 03:53.26 | infinity_ | SSH_AUTH_SOCK, SSH_CLIENT, SSH_CONNECTION,SSH_TTY |
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| 03:55.23 | infinity_ | ahh. i found a detailed description of the problem. http://www.deadman.org/sshscreen.html |
| 03:55.29 | infinity_ | now for a solution... |
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| 03:57.35 | infinity_ | yuK! |
| 03:57.38 | infinity_ | what a nasty solution |
| 03:57.49 | abrotman | involves won-ton soup ? |
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| 03:59.08 | xerophyte1 | is there anyway i can convert DivX to DVD? |
| 04:00.23 | goauld | yes |
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| 04:00.32 | goauld | there is |
| 04:00.40 | xerophyte1 | goauld: how can i do it ? any url or program name |
| 04:00.50 | goauld | even such a thing is poinless ... |
| 04:00.56 | goauld | tovid can do it |
| 04:01.04 | goauld | or avidemux |
| 04:01.13 | goauld | better avidemux, its graphical and all |
| 04:01.14 | Yuuka | devede |
| 04:01.41 | goauld | maybe there are many others, and better than those 2 |
| 04:02.03 | xerophyte1 | apt-cache search tovid return nothing |
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| 04:02.17 | goauld | then use avidemux, its updated 4 sure |
| 04:02.19 | xerophyte1 | so does the avidemux |
| 04:02.28 | jamon | ffmpeg is your friend xerophyte1 |
| 04:02.29 | xerophyte1 | i could not find that iether hmm |
| 04:02.36 | goauld | ffmpeg ?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?! |
| 04:02.42 | goauld | thats insane |
| 04:02.50 | goauld | totally insane |
| 04:02.55 | jamon | it's the shit |
| 04:03.30 | jamon | seriously, just -target dvd and you're set |
| 04:03.33 | goauld | atlantis:/# apt-cache search avidemux |
| 04:03.42 | goauld | avidemux-qt - a free video editor - qt version |
| 04:03.52 | xerophyte1 | source.list? |
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| 04:04.15 | xerophyte1 | i only have basic stuff in the source list |
| 04:04.25 | goauld | xerophyte deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main |
| 04:04.38 | abrotman | what if he's not using unstable ? |
| 04:05.12 | goauld | then switch the word unstable for testing, and pray it works |
| 04:05.19 | goauld | :) |
| 04:05.26 | goauld | !multimedia |
| 04:05.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 04:05.50 | abrotman | what if he's not using testing? |
| 04:06.01 | xerophyte1 | thx |
| 04:06.07 | goauld | !dmm etch |
| 04:06.07 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 04:06.41 | goauld | abrotman everything's under control |
| 04:06.44 | goauld | lol |
| 04:06.49 | xerophyte1 | thx |
| 04:07.02 | abrotman | what if he's not using etch? |
| 04:07.06 | goauld | lol |
| 04:07.12 | xerophyte1 | i am using testing ;) |
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| 04:07.41 | goauld | that would be pissing ppl..... after 10 minutes say: im using ubuntu |
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| 04:07.58 | pstickne_ | What would cause Firefox to -lag the entire system- (caused by my school website)? |
| 04:08.06 | goauld | flash |
| 04:08.13 | pstickne_ | If it was just Firefox that was frozen, I could understand, but the entire system is frozen. |
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| 04:08.36 | pstickne_ | goauld: I was having that problem, I've since installed Flash 10 and flashblock, and I haven't unblocked anything on that page. |
| 04:08.47 | abrotman | pstickne_: it could be a javascript issue |
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| 04:09.11 | pstickne_ | abrotman: but the -whole system- becomes unresponsive, that's my gripe, if FF freezes, that's one thing, but... *sigh* |
| 04:09.37 | abrotman | pstickne_: let me tell you a story about infinite loops |
| 04:09.40 | simonrvn | a looping script causing sudden load spike |
| 04:10.43 | goauld | pstickne_: why u dont test it usging top and looking for cpu eaters? |
| 04:10.43 | pstickne_ | A sudden spike = take 5 seconds to bring another X window to the front, then no text input for another 5 seconds (repeating)? |
| 04:10.43 | pstickne_ | alright :) |
| 04:10.43 | goauld | oh |
| 04:10.43 | pstickne_ | still, shouldn't there be some more sharing of CPU time? |
| 04:10.43 | abrotman | pstickne_: try anoter gecko based browser like epiphany |
| 04:10.56 | goauld | pstickne_ could be Xorg driver issues too |
| 04:11.07 | goauld | type glxinfo to see if direct render is enabled |
| 04:11.31 | abrotman | the webpage is 3d ? |
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| 04:11.45 | pstickne_ | goauld: glx is working well, no problems (wrote two 3d games this last semester) |
| 04:11.45 | goauld | lol |
| 04:11.48 | pstickne_ | ("3d") |
| 04:12.31 | goauld | i dont know anything about how that works, but i many times observe a very slowed down system when surfing with icedove |
| 04:12.44 | goauld | i have 2.2ghz core duo |
| 04:13.10 | goauld | and results in being xorg.conf deconfigured and without using nvidia driver |
| 04:13.12 | simonrvn | why should that matter? |
| 04:13.18 | simonrvn | goauld: ^^^ |
| 04:13.35 | goauld | that slows down entire system |
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| 04:13.42 | goauld | a bad xorg.conf |
| 04:13.48 | abrotman | simonrvn: let me tell you a story about sundays ... |
| 04:14.11 | simonrvn | abrotman: i know sundays |
| 04:14.14 | pstickne_ | hm, it's Xorg that's hitting 100% CPU usage :( |
| 04:14.24 | simonrvn | wonders why he's here |
| 04:14.27 | goauld | u see |
| 04:14.34 | goauld | i never miss a hit |
| 04:14.38 | abrotman | !tell goauld about u |
| 04:14.38 | pstickne_ | :) |
| 04:14.55 | goauld | !tell abrotman about sundays |
| 04:15.01 | goauld | lol |
| 04:15.08 | pstickne_ | goauld: however, glxinfo appears fine and I don't have this issue (and don't notice any other Xorg-eats-100%-cpu) in other applications or games :-/ |
| 04:16.05 | goauld | just reinstalling the driver and reconfiguring xorg.conf should do the thing |
| 04:16.17 | abrotman | pstickne_: please try another browser first |
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| 04:18.08 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:18.22 | goauld | abrotman, i dont like you becouse i said ffmpeg is insane ? |
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| 04:18.32 | pstickne_ | hmm, the epiphany package really should be renamed to epiphany-game :-/ |
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| 04:18.38 | simonrvn | "because" |
| 04:18.42 | abrotman | goauld: i don't care if you don't like me |
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| 04:19.22 | pstickne_ | simonrvn: because the binary is epiphany-game and epiphany (browser) is epiphany-browser package |
| 04:19.24 | craigevil | epiphany runs fine lots of people use it rather than iceweasel/iceape |
| 04:19.39 | pstickne_ | (while the epiphany (browser) bin is epiphany...) |
| 04:20.00 | goauld | simonrvn: nice ok |
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| 04:20.14 | abrotman | pstickne_: and make sure you isntall the gecko one .. not the webkit one |
| 04:20.26 | pstickne_ | oh :( |
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| 04:20.44 | pstickne_ | ahh, epiphany-browser is gecko 1.9 |
| 04:20.48 | simonrvn | the webkit one is borked... |
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| 04:21.21 | abrotman | borked is putting it lightly |
| 04:21.28 | pstickne_ | abrotman: same problem, Xorg gets pegged |
| 04:21.33 | pstickne_ | (how is it so borked?) |
| 04:21.36 | abrotman | apparently webkit-gtk is the real issue |
| 04:22.12 | abrotman | pstickne_: now try a non-gecko browser like .. konqueror or dillo or something like that .. i'd bet it's gecko, not X |
| 04:22.33 | simonrvn | WTF would it be X? |
| 04:22.37 | pstickne_ | sighs, I get many "tossed event which came in late" messages on the console :-/ |
| 04:23.04 | simonrvn | that's X, but lower level, that's the driver. |
| 04:23.19 | simonrvn | i'm suprised you're still here |
| 04:23.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: i never said it was X .. the crazy person did! |
| 04:23.38 | simonrvn | pstickne_: what video card? |
| 04:24.06 | pstickne_ | dillo doesn't get past the HTTPS and midori won't work (well enough) with the JS on the site :-/ |
| 04:24.09 | pstickne_ | simonrvn: 8600GTS |
| 04:24.36 | simonrvn | what's the agp setting, and what speed is it set to? |
| 04:25.23 | simonrvn | also, did you set the accelmethod ? |
| 04:26.21 | abrotman | pstickne_: try a webkit based one .. konq/arora maybe |
| 04:26.43 | pstickne_ | abrotman: epiphany-webkit doesn't have that problem (although I had to manually copy+paste the link ^^) |
| 04:27.39 | abrotman | pstickne_: can i get a cookie? |
| 04:27.43 | pstickne_ | erm I take it back |
| 04:27.51 | abrotman | gives back the cookie |
| 04:27.53 | pstickne_ | it worked fine the first time, died the second :( |
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| 04:28.17 | abrotman | pstickne_: webkit-gtk is notoriously buggy ... i'd try one that uses the qt4-webkit |
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| 04:28.55 | abrotman | pstickne_: can you give us the URL ? |
| 04:28.56 | pstickne_ | here I go, 40MB of qt :) |
| 04:29.09 | pstickne_ | abrotman: it's past a login :-/ |
| 04:29.25 | abrotman | so give us the login .. we promise we won't change your classes :) |
| 04:29.26 | pstickne_ | let me see how arora treats it |
| 04:29.28 | pstickne_ | ;-) |
| 04:29.32 | goauld | pstickne_ did you checked xorg.conf ? debian likes to step hard on that file erasing many options |
| 04:29.39 | goauld | and reinstall driver |
| 04:29.42 | abrotman | "I have no idea how i got into pottery" |
| 04:29.54 | abrotman | goauld: that file isn't needed in testing normally |
| 04:30.19 | goauld | are we testing yet? |
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| 04:30.27 | pstickne_ | goauld: -everything- else works okay, except for this one part of this one site, that absolutely pegs Xorg :( |
| 04:30.30 | abrotman | thought pstickne_ was on lenny |
| 04:31.41 | goauld | ok |
| 04:31.49 | pstickne_ | on a side-note, in support of the driver hypothesis, it does occur during a "fancy useless JS fade event" |
| 04:32.02 | pstickne_ | actually, iirc |
| 04:32.12 | abrotman | pstickne_: you mean like a drop down menu on the webpage ? |
| 04:32.53 | goauld | hm |
| 04:33.14 | goauld | are u losing time diagnosing, instead of apliying a 2 minutes cure |
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| 04:33.28 | pstickne_ | okay, I lied about this being the only exception :( |
| 04:33.44 | goauld | all pacients lie |
| 04:33.46 | goauld | lol |
| 04:33.53 | pstickne_ | grails.org has the exact same symptoms, Xorg pegged at 100%, event updates to other apps seem to be ~5s |
| 04:34.06 | simonrvn | DCC SENDs goauld a dictionary |
| 04:34.36 | pstickne_ | I'm not sure if it's a side-effect or a symptom, but I also get the "tossed event which came in late" |
| 04:34.44 | goauld | i would like to have a spell checker in konversation program it would save me a lot of trouble |
| 04:34.51 | goauld | :) |
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| 04:35.30 | simonrvn | i think it supports one |
| 04:35.46 | simonrvn | probably as a script or plugin |
| 04:35.54 | goauld | i will look for it |
| 04:36.11 | goauld | i was busy today and im happy |
| 04:36.24 | goauld | i installed debian lenny on the tmobile g1 |
| 04:36.31 | goauld | wooo! |
| 04:36.35 | pstickne_ | goauld: how does it run? |
| 04:36.57 | goauld | it goes very well |
| 04:37.17 | goauld | better than my old pentium with debian potato |
| 04:37.24 | goauld | a lot better lol |
| 04:37.59 | goauld | i installed nmap and now im looking at sniffers and wireless crackers |
| 04:38.09 | goauld | i will crack wireless networks with my phone! |
| 04:40.56 | goauld | its 5:40 pm here |
| 04:41.02 | goauld | bye |
| 04:41.07 | goauld | good luck with that |
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| 05:10.18 | csc_ | hello gurus |
| 05:10.25 | csc_ | is there a way to start an x application on the ***remote*** display with ssh? (no x forwarding): something like "ssh remoteuser@remotemachine xclock" where xlock starts on the display defined in remotemachine |
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| 05:11.42 | Supaplex | csc_: I know the DISPLAY and auth cookies are in play. I know less than I should really... |
| 05:12.07 | JBstrikesagain | i have an existing pxe/tftp setup, is it possible to have that pxelinux config boot the one provided in the netboot.tar.gz |
| 05:12.42 | csc_ | Supaplex, but i do not want x forwarding |
| 05:13.09 | csc_ | Supaplex, once i have access to the remote machine i want xlock starts there, not here on my localhost |
| 05:14.39 | hoxu | csc_, export a DISPLAY variable at remote, pointing to the X instance there |
| 05:15.06 | hoxu | csc_, something like "DISPLAY=:0 xlock" |
| 05:15.24 | csc_ | ok let me try |
| 05:15.24 | hoxu | you probably want to background (&) and disown that process though |
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| 05:17.51 | mxmx | hi |
| 05:17.52 | Supaplex | csc_: x apps still need a DISPLAY. I understand your question. I realise you don't want it to run on the display you ssh from, or allow ssh to play any part of transporting the video etc. |
| 05:17.54 | csc_ | hoxu, thanks, that works. i wonder why DISPLAY is not defined once i ssh to the remoteuser, i mean..the remoteuser has a defined $DISPLAY var.. |
| 05:18.03 | mxmx | whats twbbrwoser would u gusy recommend for debian etch> |
| 05:18.23 | hoxu | csc_, your remote user can log in to any number of X sessions, each having a different DISPLAY variable |
| 05:18.24 | Supaplex | ssh sanitises the env |
| 05:18.36 | Supaplex | !tell mxmx -about search |
| 05:18.52 | mxmx | i know what webbrwosers they are |
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| 05:18.59 | mxmx | i am askign which oen u huys reccommend |
| 05:19.03 | csc_ | i see thanks |
| 05:19.11 | hoxu | !wud |
| 05:19.12 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 05:19.34 | Supaplex | haha |
| 05:20.40 | hoxu | !next |
| 05:20.41 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 05:22.28 | Gun_Smoke | some drunk ass typing.. |
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| 05:23.19 | hoxu | which is why I thought it was a lost cause... |
| 05:23.26 | craigevil | wow dont get drunk and come to irc |
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| 05:24.29 | Supaplex | I'm sure the barrage of pointless questions would ensue after comments like: iceweasel, konquror, and elinks. or curl, GET, HEAD, netcat if you're bored. |
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| 05:29.43 | Gun_Smoke | like get drunk and play with #rm |
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| 05:33.27 | empiric | hi all |
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| 05:33.41 | empiric | any one knows any good open source Document managemet system |
| 05:34.33 | Supaplex | is this in reference to something a pointy hair boss asks Dilbert? |
| 05:35.04 | Supaplex | or will a filesystem with multiple directories suffice? what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:46.05 | monchevique | the AMERO is COMING SOON! |
| 05:46.09 | monchevique | OMG!! |
| 05:46.12 | monchevique | :D |
| 05:46.20 | simonrvn | fuck off |
| 05:46.38 | monchevique | uuh it seems than someone doesn't like that |
| 05:46.43 | monchevique | that* |
| 05:47.09 | simonrvn | if you actually think that's a good thing, you are deluded. |
| 05:47.27 | simonrvn | do some research. |
| 05:47.28 | monchevique | why |
| 05:47.36 | monchevique | wouldn t that be good |
| 05:47.44 | ameyer | is that like the euro? |
| 05:47.45 | monchevique | and for Mexico specifically |
| 05:48.06 | ameyer | and that's kinda offtopic, I think |
| 05:48.20 | Supaplex | !think |
| 05:48.21 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 05:48.25 | monchevique | yes but who cares |
| 05:48.26 | craigevil | who cares this is #debian not ##politics |
| 05:48.32 | Supaplex | ;) yes. sounds ot to me. |
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| 05:49.05 | Linuturk | one world government |
| 05:49.09 | Linuturk | one world currency |
| 05:49.15 | Linuturk | one point of failure |
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| 05:50.00 | monchevique | ure sad because UUSSA is going down |
| 05:50.08 | craigevil | someone kickban then shoot the trolls |
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| 05:50.47 | monchevique | poor |
| 05:50.50 | monchevique | :D |
| 05:51.00 | monchevique | but terribly sad its gonna happen |
| 05:51.46 | ameyer | also, [citation needed] |
| 05:52.08 | Supaplex | FUD kills. get a life. |
| 05:53.41 | simonrvn | !ameyer++ |
| 05:54.18 | ameyer | seriously, though, all the info I'm finding using google are slightly less than reliable. |
| 05:54.23 | simonrvn | !Supalex++ |
| 05:54.32 | simonrvn | !craigevil++ |
| 05:54.33 | Supaplex | thanks simonrvn :) |
| 05:54.45 | ameyer | ermm, is slightly less than reliable? |
| 05:54.46 | simonrvn | !Linuturk++ |
| 05:55.07 | simonrvn | !monchevique-- |
| 05:55.27 | Supaplex | haha. |
| 05:55.56 | simonrvn | ameyer: SRSLY... some raondom troll comes out of nowhere and starts ranting about the amero... i haven't seen any such thing in the MSM. |
| 05:56.33 | monchevique | I can't wait anxioulsy for febryary |
| 05:56.45 | simonrvn | whatever. *plonk* |
| 05:57.13 | monchevique | I can't wait anxiously for february |
| 05:57.37 | simonrvn | random* |
| 05:57.38 | Supaplex | so you're calmly waiting? |
| 05:57.49 | monchevique | yes |
| 05:57.51 | ameyer | heh... "If you haven't heard about the NAU, that may be because its plotters have succeeded in keeping it secret. Or, more likely, because there is no such thing." |
| 05:57.54 | monchevique | and enjoying |
| 05:57.56 | simonrvn | haha ;) |
| 05:58.13 | monchevique | I want to see the sad americans |
| 05:58.17 | simonrvn | ameyer: wtf |
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| 05:58.22 | monchevique | I want them to suffer |
| 05:58.24 | monchevique | ooh yes |
| 05:58.41 | monchevique | and the germans will be singing |
| 05:58.43 | monchevique | and dancing |
| 05:58.57 | ameyer | simonrvn: stole it from http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/25/america/25Amero.php |
| 05:59.29 | monchevique | I want to america suffer |
| 05:59.30 | monchevique | yes |
| 05:59.47 | monchevique | suffering |
| 05:59.49 | Supaplex | and the thanks we get for saving everyone's ass |
| 05:59.55 | empiric | any idea? |
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| 06:01.46 | simonrvn | ameyer: that's fucked up. in here in this so-called country (it's a paper country: doesn't hold title to the land) they barely talk/talked about it. still. |
| 06:01.50 | Supaplex | empiric: you didn't tell us what you want to accomplish with it. what needs to be managed about it? |
| 06:01.53 | monchevique | yes suffering for the american people |
| 06:01.58 | monchevique | I wanna se that |
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| 06:02.52 | empiric | its intranet website which can manage Documents i have a web panel where user logs in update doc and save it |
| 06:03.03 | Supaplex | empiric: google docs |
| 06:03.09 | empiric | its centralized no one has copy on his/her desktop only on server |
| 06:03.13 | maximumHAX | can someone tell me how to remove a package without removing everything.. when I try to remove totem-mozilla in synaptic it also wants to remove gnome |
| 06:03.17 | empiric | also have a version no things |
| 06:03.28 | craigevil | google docs, zoho |
| 06:03.31 | empiric | Supaplex what google docs |
| 06:03.36 | maximumHAX | I know gnome doesn't depend on totem-mozilla.. so why is it trying to remove it also ? |
| 06:03.36 | monchevique | im imaging that moment right now |
| 06:03.39 | monchevique | lets dream |
| 06:03.42 | empiric | its intranet web portal like things |
| 06:03.43 | Supaplex | empiric: you'd think google would know. :D |
| 06:03.44 | monchevique | about that day |
| 06:03.46 | empiric | or DMS |
| 06:03.50 | craigevil | maximumHAX: just let it then reinstall what you need\ |
| 06:03.51 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: aptitude why-not gnome |
| 06:04.06 | Supaplex | empiric: humm. group office maybe /msg dpkg search |
| 06:04.21 | simonrvn | gnome is just a meta-package. sheesh. |
| 06:04.41 | craigevil | google docs plus google gears is awesome, lets me edit docs on my eee even when im not online |
| 06:05.22 | Supaplex | craigevil: cool =) gmail too? |
| 06:05.23 | empiric | no no like Joomla or Document management system |
| 06:05.29 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment depends on totem-gstreamer|totem-xine, both of which Recommend totem-mozilla |
| 06:05.30 | empiric | do u know abt phpmyfaq |
| 06:05.34 | pepperbob | empiric: i tried alfresco once - quite usable. |
| 06:05.35 | Supaplex | empiric: that's a content management system |
| 06:05.44 | monchevique | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of6OtR56oII&feature=related |
| 06:05.55 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: and actually gnome does depend on totem-mozilla |
| 06:05.57 | maximumHAX | totem-mozilla is just a browser plugin and gnome depends on it ? |
| 06:06.00 | craigevil | i think it will let me read my emails i know it does my googlereader feeds, havent tried it with gmail |
| 06:06.04 | Supaplex | monchevique: too bad flash is non-free. sorry, it's not usable on my system. |
| 06:06.22 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: "gnome" is a package to install pretty much everything gnome |
| 06:06.36 | craigevil | oh yeah if its on youboob it must be true |
| 06:06.40 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: the plugin can be used with Epiphany, the GNOME browser, also |
| 06:06.43 | monchevique | did you see the coffins |
| 06:07.10 | monchevique | ready to be used :) |
| 06:07.16 | maximumHAX | well some plugin is breaking all flash/java videos.. like youtube.. flash banners.. etc.. making them a huge play button.. |
| 06:07.23 | maximumHAX | click the play button.. gets a error |
| 06:07.33 | maximumHAX | I'm thinking it is totem=mozilla |
| 06:07.47 | craigevil | what version of flash are you using |
| 06:07.48 | maximumHAX | s/\=/\-/ |
| 06:07.55 | maximumHAX | either 9 or 10 |
| 06:08.07 | Supaplex | craigevil: gnash :) |
| 06:08.07 | maximumHAX | it worked before I installed some other plugin |
| 06:08.12 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: epiphany or iceweasel? |
| 06:08.19 | maximumHAX | then it quit working and made them a huge play button. |
| 06:08.21 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: it could be gnash or swfdec-mozilla |
| 06:08.27 | maximumHAX | iceweasel and kazahakase |
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| 06:08.48 | maximumHAX | swfdec-mozilla.. I think I installed that too.. let me look |
| 06:08.58 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: check about:plugins and see what is handing SWFs |
| 06:09.46 | \amethyst | gnome also depends on swfdec-mozilla (because it tries to give you as complete a free desktop environment as possible) |
| 06:09.56 | maximumHAX | File name: libswfdecmozilla.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r100 |
| 06:10.33 | maximumHAX | totem is set to handle flv |
| 06:10.36 | \amethyst | but, again, you can install just gnome-desktop-environment (GNOME proper) and whatever other packages you need that "gnome" depends on |
| 06:10.58 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: yeah, but youtube is swf not direct flv to the browser |
| 06:11.17 | \amethyst | so swfdec-mozilla is probably your problem |
| 06:11.52 | maximumHAX | heh, almost anything I try to remove tells me gnome will be removed too |
| 06:12.01 | \amethyst | it's fine |
| 06:12.07 | maximumHAX | swfdec-mozilla .. will remove gnome |
| 06:12.09 | \amethyst | the package "gnome" itself doesn't contain anything |
| 06:12.17 | \amethyst | does it say it will remove other packages? |
| 06:13.06 | maximumHAX | na just remove "gnome" |
| 06:13.08 | \amethyst | "gnome" is an empty package that just depends on "gnome-desktop-environment" and a bunch of addons like swfdec-mozilla, totem-mozilla, and so on |
| 06:13.12 | \amethyst | so it's safe to remove |
| 06:13.48 | empiric | pepperbob what abt Joomla |
| 06:13.49 | empiric | ? |
| 06:13.53 | empiric | or OpenKM |
| 06:13.58 | maximumHAX | hopfully that with fix all my flash/java probs |
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| 06:14.25 | maximumHAX | not sure what else I could have installed to break it |
| 06:14.33 | pepperbob | empiric: as someone already said: joomla is content management. if it is about documents and versioning that not what you want i guess. |
| 06:15.04 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: do you have the non-free flash plugin installed? |
| 06:15.09 | empiric | did alfresco did versioning |
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| 06:15.13 | maximumHAX | I think so |
| 06:15.40 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: for Java, you'll need to do the same thing |
| 06:15.43 | maximumHAX | i know it worked before.. flash banner ads.. youtube.. etc.. then I installed a bunch of plugins and media stuff.. gstreamer and a few others.. then it quit working |
| 06:16.20 | maximumHAX | but didn't see gstreamer anywhere for "browser plugin" so I dont think that's what did it |
| 06:16.23 | pepperbob | empiric: yes it does iirc. |
| 06:16.56 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: or if you only recently installed the "gnome" metapackage |
| 06:17.33 | maximumHAX | I dont remember doing that one.. must have added itself somewhere as a dependant |
| 06:17.33 | mordy | gah, i hate metapackages |
| 06:17.37 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: /var/log/dpkg.log will tell you when swfdec-mozilla was installed |
| 06:18.02 | \amethyst | maximumHAX: and what packages were installed at the same time, which might help figure it out |
| 06:18.36 | maximumHAX | gstreamer, swf, totem.. all the media stuff I seen I installed at once |
| 06:19.00 | maximumHAX | amorak (I think that's the name) media manager.. |
| 06:19.03 | maximumHAX | few others.. |
| 06:19.19 | maximumHAX | went through and selected all the packages I thought I had on my other laptop |
| 06:19.30 | maximumHAX | all media stuff anyways |
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| 06:20.49 | EmleyMoor | amarok |
| 06:21.20 | EmleyMoor | (nice media manager, that) |
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| 06:22.21 | msadiq | Hi all |
| 06:23.52 | maximumHAX | xine, vlc, amarok, avifile, quicktime, audacious, looks like last media apps I added according to log |
| 06:24.10 | maximumHAX | I dont see where swf and totem are.. guess I should grep for iot |
| 06:24.12 | maximumHAX | it |
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| 06:25.06 | craigevil | just remove what you need , use a notebook to write down anything you may want to reinstall |
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| 06:26.55 | maximumHAX | yeah I'm removing all the media stuff.. then see if that fixes.. then add each back til it breaks |
| 06:27.21 | maximumHAX | find which one is making everything a huge grey play button with a circle around it |
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| 06:29.17 | pepperbob | maximumHAX: couldn't follow all along, but you're sure it's not a browser plugin? |
| 06:29.54 | maximumHAX | pepperbob: yeah I'm sure it is.. totem, swfdec, xine plugin.. few others are installed |
| 06:29.59 | maximumHAX | so I'm removing them first |
| 06:30.07 | MariachiAC | Hello. I have some commands i would like to be done automatically in the shell. I understand this is a script, but I'm not sure where to put them since it has to be done by root. Can someone tell me what I should do? |
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| 06:30.59 | maximumHAX | pepperbob: something I installed made all flash content ads, and all.. a big huge grey play button.. then click play gets an error.. before it worked |
| 06:31.05 | pepperbob | maximumHAX: ah - I meant those xpi stuff like noFlash, noScript and those... guess you're using FF/Iceweasel |
| 06:31.23 | maximumHAX | kazahakase and iceweasel |
| 06:31.25 | maximumHAX | yeah |
| 06:37.01 | maximumHAX | ok, now I get no flash handler.. and my adobe flash is not in synaptic anymore.. LOL |
| 06:37.08 | maximumHAX | non-free is selected too :( |
| 06:37.18 | maximumHAX | damn 64-bit |
| 06:37.19 | maximumHAX | lol |
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| 06:39.28 | craigevil | grab it from adobe or debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:40.07 | maximumHAX | ahh it was swfdec-mozilla breaking it.. |
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| 06:41.16 | maximumHAX | err wrong X |
| 06:41.17 | maximumHAX | heh |
| 06:41.52 | Supaplex | oopsie! |
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| 06:58.57 | Faithful | dvs enouf deadcat_ thanks for you help before... got my problem sorted (1GB Ram)... box is happy on a 686 kernel now. |
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| 07:12.03 | simonrvn | !customer |
| 07:12.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 07:12.34 | stoned | I'm trying to build monodevelop 2 alpha 2 |
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| 07:12.40 | stoned | brand spankin new |
| 07:13.34 | empiric | how i add my content |
| 07:13.58 | simonrvn | why would we know? |
| 07:16.33 | stoned | its taking a while man |
| 07:16.33 | stoned | damn |
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| 07:18.54 | stoned | configure: error: Please install mono version 2.0 or later to install MonoDevelop. |
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| 07:19.30 | simonrvn | exp. |
| 07:19.43 | stoned | MonoDevelop Ide 1.9.1.0 - GPL |
| 07:19.49 | stoned | does this make sense? |
| 07:20.06 | stoned | it says i need mono2 in order to build monodevelop2 |
| 07:20.12 | stoned | however monodevelop2 is alreay built |
| 07:20.23 | stoned | and its version 2.0 aplha2 internetl 1.9.1 |
| 07:20.35 | stoned | what the fuck is goign on in experimental these days |
| 07:20.36 | stoned | ... |
| 07:20.38 | simonrvn | !experimental |
| 07:20.39 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 07:21.14 | stoned | it not experimental in |
| 07:21.21 | stoned | judd versions mono-develop |
| 07:21.21 | judd | stoned: mono-develop -- |
| 07:21.25 | stoned | judd versions monodevelop |
| 07:21.27 | judd | stoned: monodevelop -- lenny: 1.0+dfsg-3 sid: 1.0+dfsg-3 experimental: 1.0+dfsg-4 |
| 07:21.29 | simonrvn | mono 2 is |
| 07:21.33 | stoned | see, its not even in exp. |
| 07:21.56 | stoned | my server is lenny |
| 07:22.08 | stoned | my desktop is sid/exp/ |
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| 07:22.16 | simonrvn | sol then, build it somwhere else... |
| 07:22.19 | stoned | so let me think what do i need to do |
| 07:22.29 | simonrvn | some* |
| 07:22.43 | simonrvn | why are you building gui crap on a server anyway? |
| 07:23.11 | stoned | I figured I'd just monodevelop on it as well, sshx it |
| 07:23.16 | stoned | just develop on the server |
| 07:23.31 | simonrvn | sshfs/nfs/... |
| 07:23.55 | simonrvn | build and run the gui crap local |
| 07:24.03 | stoned | thats how i have it right now |
| 07:24.27 | stoned | monodevelop2 runs on desktop and uses laptop mounted share as project folder |
| 07:25.15 | stoned | its not really a'server' |
| 07:25.23 | stoned | anyway im gonna go pass out man im tired as balls |
| 07:25.24 | stoned | g'nite |
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| 07:26.08 | abusenode | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 07:26.12 | simonrvn | night |
| 07:26.20 | abusenode | why is even the 1st chapter of this document totally unreadable? |
| 07:26.59 | abusenode | it gives some list of steps and then contradicts itself by saying the last step undoes something that should have been done |
| 07:27.04 | abusenode | ???? |
| 07:27.45 | simonrvn | where does it say that? |
| 07:27.52 | abusenode | 4.1 |
| 07:28.13 | abusenode | after reading that section I cannot understand waht I need to do in order to build a new 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 07:28.29 | abusenode | and I'm not ESL or mentally challenged or anything. |
| 07:28.44 | simonrvn | i'm not seeing that anywhere |
| 07:28.56 | abusenode | "The last command will unapply the set of patches, which lead from patchlevel 1 to patchlevel 8 and the resulting tree will appear as if it came from the version 2.6.18-1 of the linux-source-2.6.18 package." |
| 07:29.01 | abusenode | ... what? |
| 07:29.11 | simonrvn | the nglish is a bit awkward, yeh, but i'm not reading it that way. |
| 07:29.25 | simonrvn | keep reading |
| 07:29.36 | ameyer | wonders what percentage of mentally challenged people know that they're mentally challenged and would admit it on IRC |
| 07:29.41 | abusenode | The version version-N (like 2.6.18-8) of the linux-patch-debian-version package contains all the individual patches applied to the source to achieve any patchlevel up to N. |
| 07:29.44 | abusenode | this doesnt apply. |
| 07:29.49 | abusenode | there's no -N version |
| 07:29.54 | abusenode | linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 - Debian patches to version 2.6.18 of the Linux kernel |
| 07:29.56 | abusenode | this is all i see. |
| 07:30.08 | simonrvn | 2.6.18-8 the -8 is -N ... |
| 07:30.14 | ameyer | there's a package version somewhere |
| 07:30.28 | abusenode | apt-cache search linux-patch-debian |
| 07:30.32 | abusenode | no -8 or whatever. |
| 07:30.35 | abusenode | only returns 3 lines. |
| 07:31.14 | simonrvn | Filename: pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-patch-debian-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1_all.deb |
| 07:31.17 | ameyer | dpkg -l | grep linux-image should help with finding the -8 in 2.6.16-8 |
| 07:31.17 | dpkg | ii | grep linux-image should help with finding the -8 in 2.6.16-8 2.4-14.3 ameyer's private stamp collection |
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| 07:31.36 | ameyer | damn bot |
| 07:31.40 | simonrvn | i didn't know you had a stamp collection :P |
| 07:32.12 | ameyer | for instance, one of the lines I get is "ii linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 2.6.25-7" |
| 07:32.17 | drazak | ameyer?! |
| 07:32.20 | drazak | long time no see |
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| 07:34.37 | ameyer | simonrvn: I didn't know I had a stamp collection either |
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| 07:34.55 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 07:35.54 | Supaplex | mmm you can dpkg -l linux-image\*-8 iirc |
| 07:36.23 | simonrvn | sure |
| 07:36.29 | ameyer | or something like that, depending on what exctly you're looking for |
| 07:37.03 | simonrvn | abusenode: besides, it's just an example.... |
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| 07:41.03 | ^Neil^ | :( i get unknown option in /etc/network/interfaces on clean install doesnt work when i try to static assing ip too |
| 07:41.11 | ^Neil^ | running in vmware server 2 |
| 07:41.47 | ^Neil^ | s/unknown/misplaced/ |
| 07:42.20 | abusenode | simonrvn: why would there be useless examples in a manual. |
| 07:42.41 | abusenode | 16:31 < ameyer> dpkg -l | grep linux-image should help with finding the -8 in 2.6.16-8 |
| 07:42.45 | abusenode | this is for the IMAGE |
| 07:42.46 | abusenode | not for the SOURCE |
| 07:42.53 | abusenode | all i need (which is why i was reading that document in the first palce) |
| 07:42.55 | simonrvn | why is it useless? it still applies, even if the name is different. |
| 07:43.01 | abusenode | is steps to 1) obtain 2.6.18 kernel + -8 patches. |
| 07:43.15 | abusenode | so that i can move on to 4.2 or whatever about acutally building it. |
| 07:43.19 | abusenode | and hope the english tehre improves. |
| 07:43.43 | abusenode | or i guess it would be 4.4 in my case. |
| 07:43.45 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 07:43.50 | abusenode | what. |
| 07:44.31 | abusenode | what's with sighs? im asking a normal question |
| 07:44.56 | abusenode | after reading 4.1 i have no idea how to accomplish 16:43 < abusenode> is steps to 1) obtain 2.6.18 kernel + -8 patches. |
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| 07:48.58 | MaybeDrunk | hi people |
| 07:49.25 | MaybeDrunk | anyone know where mldonkey-server put the incoming file ? |
| 07:49.39 | abusenode | i think .mldonkey (not kidding) |
| 07:50.11 | abusenode | simonrvn: so? how are people suppsoed to use this if the manual makes no sense? |
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| 07:50.36 | MaybeDrunk | abusenode, i'm speaking about mldonkey-server |
| 07:50.58 | MaybeDrunk | abusenode, where this .mldonkey dir can be ? |
| 07:51.05 | abusenode | in $HOME i would imagine. |
| 07:51.21 | simonrvn | makes sense to me... |
| 07:51.39 | abusenode | simonrvn: then what do i do to get /usr/src with 2.6.16-8 |
| 07:51.45 | abusenode | if it makes so much sense. |
| 07:51.59 | MaybeDrunk | abusenode, but mldonkey have no home as i know |
| 07:52.12 | abusenode | MaybeDrunk: im sure it runs as mldonkey user or similar. |
| 07:52.15 | abusenode | look in their ~ then. |
| 07:52.31 | superjet_busy | why source navigator dropped from lenny and sid, which exits in etch? |
| 07:52.41 | abusenode | simonrvn: so?? |
| 07:53.00 | abusenode | if its so easy why cant you or the manual give me a straight asnwer |
| 07:53.23 | MaybeDrunk | abusenode, oh yes, /var/lib/mldonkey/ thx a lot |
| 07:56.15 | abusenode | simonrvn: still waiting |
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| 08:08.44 | simonrvn | abusenode: you'll wait a long time with that attitude. |
| 08:10.22 | sameeerynho | how can i read the output of a program that run in a diffrent terminal? |
| 08:10.24 | Maulkin | abusenode: you've been warned to check your behaviour before. |
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| 08:12.42 | force | hello, i accidently removed a postfix script file, so i thought i would reinstall postfix, even with dpkg options force overwrite it does not replace the original postfix script file, is there anyway to get apt-get to reinstall absolutely all files associated with postfix |
| 08:12.43 | force | ? |
| 08:14.01 | Maulkin | force: Well, you can use 'apt-get remove --purge' to completely clean a package, but it'll remove your config files as well |
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| 08:14.33 | force | that's ok :) |
| 08:14.34 | force | thanks |
| 08:14.44 | _bozo | force: extract the package located in /var/cache/apt/archive with "dpkg -x $pkg mydir" |
| 08:14.54 | _bozo | and copy the file |
| 08:15.30 | force | damn i wish i knew that 5 minutes ago |
| 08:15.31 | force | lol |
| 08:15.52 | Maulkin | That'll work too |
| 08:15.53 | force | ahh thanks guys |
| 08:15.54 | Maulkin | :) |
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| 08:17.48 | abusenode | Maulkin: way to butt in without reading context. |
| 08:18.24 | Maulkin | abusenode: I have scrollback, thanks. |
| 08:18.32 | abusenode | then use it. |
| 08:18.42 | sameeerynho | how can i found out that which tty does used by my current terminal such az xtrem or konsol |
| 08:18.55 | Maulkin | abusenode: I did. |
| 08:19.08 | abusenode | then you should have no further commetns regarding my "behaviour" |
| 08:19.21 | mhymn | sameeerynho: 'tty' command? |
| 08:19.23 | abusenode | all Idid was ask, how does a non-ESL/non-retard suposed to comprehend section 4.1 of the 'kernel handbook'. |
| 08:19.29 | abusenode | because to me, it makes no sense. |
| 08:19.38 | abusenode | and I still don't have a proper 2.6.18-8 kernel source. |
| 08:20.02 | abusenode | all i got at that question was personal attacks and now from you, threats about my "behaviour". |
| 08:20.07 | Maulkin | You do realise you can't demand help from people here, right? |
| 08:20.24 | abusenode | ... I came in, linked to a manual which makes no sense, and asked for a clarification. |
| 08:20.38 | abusenode | what is the problem with that? |
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| 08:22.09 | SkiiBum | im I use a usb headset which works on skype and such but I want my media player, totem, to output to my headset, how could I go about doing this |
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| 08:22.31 | Maulkin | You received it, and then became agressive. |
| 08:23.24 | Maulkin | Now, if you require further help with *debian*, please ask a police question. Otherwise, please direct your discussions elsewhere |
| 08:23.51 | Kevin` | where are all the files apt/dpkg need to use mmap on? http://rafb.net/p/AS42bW12.html |
| 08:24.25 | Maulkin | Kevin`: coo. That's a new one. |
| 08:24.53 | Kevin` | the filesystem i'm using for / (jffs2) doesn't support mmap |
| 08:25.11 | Kevin` | or at least, the type of it that needs |
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| 08:26.32 | Maulkin | Kevin`: Yes, it seems that's the problem. |
| 08:26.35 | abusenode | Maulkin: notice i was reading the manual before i even bothered asking in here. |
| 08:26.46 | abusenode | my question is, still same as it was when i first started talking. |
| 08:26.56 | abusenode | how to get a 2.6.18-8(or whatever, current) patched source in /usr/src. |
| 08:27.15 | Kevin` | abusenode: don't you just apt-get source thekernelpackagename? |
| 08:27.20 | abusenode | i did. |
| 08:27.28 | Maulkin | abusenode: The answer is "because you haven't submitted a patch with an improvement to the document." |
| 08:27.31 | abusenode | and then i started reading http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 08:27.38 | abusenode | 4.1 Obtaining the Debian kernel source |
| 08:27.46 | Internat | actually i thought it was `apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18-8` |
| 08:27.50 | abusenode | that entire section makes no sense. |
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| 08:27.53 | Maulkin | nods at Internat |
| 08:27.55 | abusenode | Internat: there is no -8 |
| 08:27.59 | abusenode | there is onlt 2.6.18. |
| 08:28.29 | Maulkin | abusenode: If you can#'t extrapolate, I'd suggest *not* recompiling a kernel. |
| 08:28.37 | abusenode | ... |
| 08:28.41 | Internat | mmm |
| 08:28.42 | Kevin` | anyone? |
| 08:28.47 | Kevin` | mmap, dpkg? |
| 08:29.05 | Maulkin | Kevin`: http://glomation.net/smf/index.php?topic=5.0 |
| 08:29.11 | Maulkin | Kevin`: Does that help? |
| 08:29.56 | abusenode | Maulkin: and your comment without personal attacks? |
| 08:30.03 | Internat | so wait |
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| 08:30.09 | turneralex | Hey Guys |
| 08:30.12 | Internat | apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 08:30.17 | abusenode | i did that. |
| 08:30.22 | Internat | unzip it? |
| 08:30.32 | abusenode | yes, of course. |
| 08:30.34 | Maulkin | Then problem soved! |
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| 08:30.46 | turneralex | I got my hands on a SUNFIRE v880 and i'm just about to install Debian on it, join #debianv880 for updates :D :D |
| 08:30.48 | Kevin` | Maulkin: well, it tells me that the "apt cache" is what needs to be on another filesystem, which should help. I don't want to CHANGE the location |
| 08:31.08 | Maulkin | Kevin`: I'd suggest mailing the apt maintainers. |
| 08:31.12 | Internat | the instructions seem pretty straight forward to me.. |
| 08:31.41 | Kevin` | the instructions he linked seem a bit wonky to me |
| 08:32.06 | Kevin` | there's enough information to extrapolate where things go though |
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| 08:32.42 | Internat | /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/apply/debian 2.6.18-8 |
| 08:32.47 | Internat | is pretty much all he needed to run..\ |
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| 08:41.19 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.31 | Kevin` | messy on a compressed filesystem, but it seems to work |
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| 08:48.08 | LoveGuru | Hi, Have a quick question. is *debian* supports "Ebox" or "webmin" ? |
| 08:48.54 | Supaplex | !webmin |
| 08:48.54 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 08:49.44 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: so its not, what about ebox? |
| 08:50.50 | Supaplex | I don't know. did you search? |
| 08:52.00 | LoveGuru | Supaplex: havn't find anything related to *debian* there is a package but for *ubuntu* |
| 08:52.07 | negge | I have a game which is split into files like this: file.001 file.002 file.003 etc. What command/program should I use to unpack these files? |
| 08:52.32 | Kohvihoor | unrar |
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| 08:52.46 | mhymn | negge: use the 'file' command to identify the filetype |
| 08:53.01 | negge | hmm okay |
| 08:53.17 | c0nfl|ct | bom dia |
| 08:53.43 | negge | mhymn: it says it's a RAR archive but unrar -x file.001 fails |
| 08:54.24 | mhymn | read the manual, 'man unrar' |
| 08:55.38 | K_Sakura | Usually, rar groups start with one thats a .rar . .r00, etc are usually parts of a multipart archive. |
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| 08:56.40 | negge | K_Sakura: yes I know that, I've unpacked .r01 .r02 and part01.rar part02.rar files tons of times before that's not what I'm asking, I just need a way to unpack these .001 002 archives. |
| 08:57.20 | jelly-home | LoveGuru: debian only supports the packages present in debian; if it's a third party package, as the authors about support options |
| 08:57.22 | negge | mhymn: have you ever checked the man pages for unrar? There are no other extraction options than -x |
| 08:57.27 | K_Sakura | If they don't go over 100, maybe try renaming them to .r##, that has worked for me in the past. |
| 08:57.41 | negge | K_Sakura: hmm I might try that |
| 08:58.14 | jelly-home | negge: how does unrar fail? |
| 08:58.21 | K_Sakura | unrar is weird that way, it insists it has to have its extension. |
| 08:59.50 | negge | jelly-home: when I run "unrar -x archive.001" it says "Extracting blabla.CUE: OK", but then it fails on the .BIN file (archive contains one .CUE file and one .BIN file) |
| 09:00.03 | jelly-home | negge: how does it fail? |
| 09:00.19 | negge | jelly-home: read the above |
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| 09:00.33 | jelly-home | negge: you didn't show the output |
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| 09:00.46 | negge | jelly-home: okay I'll pastebin it somewhere... |
| 09:01.10 | jelly-home | negge: have you checked your file had been downloaded correctly? |
| 09:01.43 | jelly-home | negge: does the distributor have eg. a md5sum of the archive? |
| 09:02.06 | negge | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/94925/ there's the output. And yes, I checked the archives with cfv, they all passed |
| 09:03.34 | jelly-home | negge: which release of debian are you using? unrar-free or unrar package? |
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| 09:04.05 | jelly-home | negge: unrar-free cannot handle all the rar 3.0 files |
| 09:04.24 | negge | jelly-home: Lenny, unrar-free. |
| 09:04.32 | negge | should I try unrar instead? |
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| 09:05.55 | jelly-home | negge: read the description for unrar-free. In short, yes. |
| 09:06.08 | jelly-home | !rar |
| 09:06.09 | dpkg | hmm... rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about <unrar> |
| 09:06.20 | jelly-home | helpful, but seemingly true |
| 09:06.37 | dios_here | !unrar |
| 09:06.37 | dpkg | somebody said unrar was a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 09:06.52 | vinilios | any idea why my openssh server changed its port to 1011 ? |
| 09:07.01 | vinilios | should i be afraid of an attack ? :/ |
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| 09:07.21 | vinilios | sshd_config port is 22 :/ |
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| 09:07.53 | negge | jelly-home: hehe I'll install the non-free version instead, hopefully it works better |
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| 09:08.18 | dios_here | hey internet is down |
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| 09:09.00 | negge | jelly-home: it seems to work now. Thanks for your help |
| 09:09.05 | negge | I'll never touch unrar-free again. |
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| 09:09.42 | cahoot | nor warez |
| 09:09.54 | negge | not that either |
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| 09:14.01 | jabis | vinilios, usually servers do not change their configurations on the fly |
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| 09:15.42 | vinilios | as i see from the logs the port changed 2 days ago, and i was wrong about the config file the port had duplicate entry, so i guess someone is messing me :/ |
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| 09:23.26 | Lagbolt | looking for a lil help with a dvb. its hauppauge hvr-950q. anyone use one or know any tips? |
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| 09:26.52 | jabis | vinilios: change root password and secure your machine from outside tampering, disable all the control from outside your box and be happy :) |
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| 09:27.41 | jabis | reboot new display drivers -> |
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| 09:38.10 | Minnozz | Hi, I'm trying to build fuse, but when I run configure with --enable-kernel-module and --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 , I get "Cannot determine the version of the linux kernel source. Please prepare the kernel before running this script" |
| 09:38.21 | Minnozz | anybody knows how to do that? |
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| 09:39.03 | K_Sakura | I'm not positive, but I think that means you need the headers for your kernel installed. |
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| 09:41.55 | Minnozz | K_Sakura: I did, but I still get the error |
| 09:41.56 | force | anyone know which package the 'mail' program comes in, just to read mail |
| 09:42.17 | cahoot | Minnozz: using modlue-assistant? |
| 09:42.24 | cahoot | module-assistant |
| 09:42.39 | Minnozz | cahoot: no, I don't know that.. |
| 09:42.48 | _SlayerXP | force: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 09:43.31 | cahoot | Minnozz: use module-assistant |
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| 09:49.57 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 09:51.04 | aprendiz001 | is possible to recover a password from openldap? |
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| 09:52.07 | force | _SlayerXP: thanks mate |
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| 09:58.26 | dios_here | why is debian better than ubuntu for a desktop user? |
| 09:59.33 | dios_here | why is iceweasel faster? is it because it is firefox 2? |
| 09:59.57 | Jemt | dios_here: It's not neccessary better. Ubuntu is based on Debian Unstable. Personally I switched from Ubuntu to Debian because of instability |
| 10:00.10 | Jemt | Yes, Debian 4.0 (Etch) uses an older version of Firefox |
| 10:00.41 | dios_here | Jemt, I noticed that it is much faster than other linux firefoxes |
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| 10:00.46 | dios_here | why is that? |
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| 10:01.28 | dios_here | I mean when you move the mouse pointer in the bbc news titles usually other linux forefox will be very slow highliting each item.. but with debian iceweasal it is instant |
| 10:02.10 | Jemt | That sounds odd - but I havn't expirenced any performance differences |
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| 10:07.31 | extor | If I want to custom compile an apache .deb for my etch box, just with my own tweaks, then how do I duplicate the exact OS environment that all the .deb packages for etchnhalf were using? i.e. the exact same kernel headers, gcc compiler etc etc? |
| 10:08.06 | extor | Ok actually I just need to recompile an apache module and create a .deb |
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| 10:18.18 | Minnozz | I need a higher version of libfuse for ntfsmount, so I compiled it myself, but now I need libfuse-dev, which is the 'old' version. How can I build the 'dev' version myself? |
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| 10:35.01 | Minnozz | how is it possible that I get the error "checking for FUSE... configure: error: ntfsmount requires FUSE version >= 2.6.1." when I have just built fuse 2.7.4 ? |
| 10:36.41 | kunwon1 | Minnozz, did you install the new version from apt, or build from source |
| 10:36.59 | Minnozz | kunwon1: I built it from source |
| 10:37.13 | nick4 | Grub prompts Error 17 when installing on a 8-year-old machine. I want to try LILO (Slackware's LILO worked so Debian's will work too) but even if I install the deb's with chroot, when I run lilo I get a raid error. Any ideas or links? |
| 10:37.17 | kunwon1 | Minnozz, try sudo ldconfig |
| 10:37.27 | Rapp | hi everyone |
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| 10:38.10 | MrWGW | hey |
| 10:38.22 | MrWGW | is there a package that can write /etc/network/interfaces from my current configuration? |
| 10:38.23 | Rapp | this is driving me mad... i installed a fresh, testing webserver, including mysql. i CANNOT connect to the mysql server, mysql client always gives me a ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 10:38.28 | Rapp | any ideas? |
| 10:38.29 | MrWGW | so that I don't have to manually enter it and reboot? |
| 10:38.50 | kunwon1 | Rapp, what program are you using to try to access the database.. is that from the mysql cli app? |
| 10:38.52 | Rapp | password should be clear, since i did not set any |
| 10:38.57 | Rapp | kunwon1, yes |
| 10:39.07 | Rapp | /usr/bin/mysql |
| 10:39.08 | Jemt | Rapp: Connecting through localhost ? |
| 10:39.08 | Minnozz | kunwon1: just that, no arguments? I did, but I still get the same error |
| 10:39.12 | Rapp | Jemt, yes |
| 10:39.32 | kunwon1 | Minnozz, not sure then, could be something weird with their source distribution, maybe not using the right paths |
| 10:39.38 | Jemt | Rapp: You are not using Ubuntu? |
| 10:39.47 | Rapp | Jemt, no... debian testing.... |
| 10:39.50 | Jemt | Good |
| 10:39.53 | Rapp | not a newbie to that either... |
| 10:40.28 | Minnozz | kunwon1: I get that error while building ntfsmount, btw |
| 10:40.32 | Rapp | telnet shows that it IS listening |
| 10:40.40 | Rapp | however, i cannot get in the DB |
| 10:40.48 | Rapp | always the above error |
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| 10:41.52 | Jemt | Rapp: mysql --user=root <= Did you try that? |
| 10:42.09 | Jemt | Instead of starting the client without specifying a user |
| 10:42.21 | Rapp | # mysql --user=root |
| 10:42.21 | Rapp | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 10:42.30 | Minnozz | kunwon1: ntfsmount requires libfuse-dev, can I build that (with -dev) too? |
| 10:42.32 | Jemt | Then I'd bet you have a password set somehow |
| 10:42.46 | Rapp | but how? why? and how do i reset it? |
| 10:42.52 | kunwon1 | Minnozz, I don't know what either of those things are |
| 10:43.12 | Minnozz | what does a -dev package normally mean? |
| 10:43.22 | Jemt | Rapp: mysql --host=localhost |
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| 10:43.36 | Jemt | Rapp: To make sure it connects using localhost |
| 10:43.59 | Rapp | # mysql --host=localhost |
| 10:43.59 | Rapp | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 10:44.13 | Rapp | hm, how do i reset the password? |
| 10:44.15 | Jemt | Hm, odd - it's supposed to prompt for a password |
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| 10:44.42 | kunwon1 | Rapp, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html#resetting-permissions-unix |
| 10:45.41 | Rapp | kunwon1, will try that now |
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| 10:46.47 | schme | g'day |
| 10:46.49 | Minnozz | does anybody know what a -dev package adds to the normal package? |
| 10:47.04 | schme | Minnozz: Headers |
| 10:47.34 | Rapp | wow... that does not work! |
| 10:47.42 | Rapp | i reset the password to something VERY simple |
| 10:47.47 | Rapp | and it STILL does not work |
| 10:47.48 | RoM | got to love headers man |
| 10:47.57 | Minnozz | schme: do you know how to provide those headers when you compile something (fuse) yourself? |
| 10:48.35 | schme | Minnozz: I'm sorry, I don't quite understand your question |
| 10:48.39 | liable | if you compile it yourself, you have them |
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| 10:49.33 | liable | headers packages in debian are supplied so you can compile something else that needs those headers, not the package that the headers come from |
| 10:49.33 | Minnozz | well, ntfsprogs requires libfuse-dev, but I compiled fuse myself |
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| 10:49.58 | Minnozz | 11:46 < Minnozz> does anybody know what a -dev package adds to the normal package? |
| 10:50.02 | Minnozz | upz |
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| 10:50.43 | Minnozz | liable: so can I place them in the right spot myself? |
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| 10:50.46 | liable | ah, well, if you are building a debian source package, then yes, you need the headers it depends on |
| 10:51.13 | liable | Minnozz: possibly with a config option, but probably not building it the debian way |
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| 10:51.50 | Rapp | ok, i found one problem. /tmp hat wrong permissions (install was difficult on this machine, stupid rocket raid controller...) |
| 10:51.59 | liable | Minnozz: cant you just install that -dev package? and why do you need to build stuff anyway? |
| 10:52.01 | Rapp | i mkdir /tmp myself, and forgot to chmod |
| 10:52.08 | Rapp | s/hat/had |
| 10:52.29 | EugenMayer | hello people, i have problems with sending emails to yahoo, i get a http://pastebin.com/m4c3f6e6e message. i dont think its only grey listing, all my emails get into spam-folders. Iam not blacklisted or something. Iam using exim. Any ideas? |
| 10:52.44 | schme | liable: because building stuff is fun ;) |
| 10:53.03 | liable | schme: bzzzzt wrong :P |
| 10:53.09 | Minnozz | liable: the -dev package wants the 'normal' package (which I compiled myself) too |
| 10:53.15 | schme | Minnozz: Generally when you build and install something stuff is put somewhere. I do not know just where you told make to put everything though. |
| 10:53.31 | schme | liable: Hmm.. Well it is, but nevermind :) |
| 10:53.44 | liable | Minnozz: ugh, you could try making a dummy package with equivs |
| 10:53.47 | force | EugenMayer: most of those providers require a mail server have a reverse IP record that matches |
| 10:54.03 | force | EugenMayer: if you have no IP PTR RR it will refuse delivery |
| 10:54.16 | liable | Minnozz: or just get the undebianised source of whatever it is. it all gets a bit ugly as you can see.. |
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| 10:54.38 | Minnozz | liable: I have the source from their own site |
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| 10:54.43 | schme | Minnozz: It might very well be that you did make install and it put the headers somewhere not standard for a debian system. Just tell configure that when you build whatever you build next. |
| 10:54.53 | krionux | hi |
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| 10:55.20 | liable | Minnozz: then if it needs fuse headers, you should be able to point it to the fuse source package with a configure switch |
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| 10:57.02 | EugenMayer | force: how can i check this ? |
| 10:57.32 | Minnozz | The error message doesn't even say it can't find headers, just that it requires at least a certain version (and I have installed a higher version) |
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| 10:57.57 | force | EugenMayer: dig your IP address to see if there is an address it resolves to, then dig that address and see if it matches your IP |
| 10:58.06 | schme | Minnozz: So check the config.log and see what it says. Most likely it can't find the headers. |
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| 10:58.24 | schme | Minnozz: And if so make sure they are installed and ./configure --help |
| 10:59.11 | schme | Minnozz: Now. Here comes the fun part. Don't get me wrong here, I hate package managers and love building everything by hand as much as the next guy, but you're doing non-debian stuff so you might want to ask for support in some other channel ;) |
| 10:59.13 | force | EugenMayer: if you are a home user on a home user network, just forward all @yahoo.* addresses through a smarthost such as your ISPs SMTP server |
| 10:59.41 | EugenMayer | force: iam not a home user |
| 10:59.48 | EugenMayer | force: i own a dedicated server |
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| 11:01.35 | Minnozz | schme: okay, thank you anyway :) |
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| 11:04.41 | schme | Minnozz: Generally one should know what one is doing when one does what you're doing. But I'm all for it, keep up the good work! |
| 11:04.54 | schme | Now the coffee |
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| 11:05.15 | force | EugenMayer: sounds more like a zone problem |
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| 11:11.02 | EugenMayer | force++ |
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| 11:20.15 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:20.15 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd140 is < greycat> either that, or fucking install mpg321. < Angel-SL> aptget < Angel-SL> ? < greycat> alias fucking=apt-get < greycat> fucking install mpg321 < asg> hah |
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| 11:21.26 | badcloud | !apm |
| 11:21.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, apm is Advanced Power Management, a long-obsolete standard that allowed the BIOS to handle power management on PC-compatibles. but ACPI is better (somewhat). See also <swsusp> |
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| 11:25.47 | slimjimflim | hi, i'm getting this 'unable to turn cooling device [c1377784] 'off' |
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| 11:26.41 | slimjimflim | just installed from the network boot disk |
| 11:27.05 | slimjimflim | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 11:27.19 | slimjimflim | cpu fan hasn't come on since i booted it |
| 11:27.21 | jelly | slimjimflim: is there anything not working correctly, apart from the message? |
| 11:27.38 | slimjimflim | the cpu fan D: |
| 11:28.07 | slimjimflim | when i ftped a large file earlier i got an error about cpu temp being too high |
| 11:28.13 | slimjimflim | should i just power it down? |
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| 11:28.27 | alexandro | yes |
| 11:28.34 | alexandro | your computer is probably overheating |
| 11:28.40 | alexandro | no cpu fan = bad |
| 11:28.48 | slimjimflim | right |
| 11:28.59 | liable | depending |
| 11:29.15 | slimjimflim | liable, what an appropriate name |
| 11:29.27 | jelly | slimjimflim: ls -ld /sys/class/thermal/ |
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| 11:30.01 | slimjimflim | i wonder if i can hot wire the fan to always on |
| 11:30.08 | CheeToS | if your cpu fan is not working you should have turned it off before you turned it on :v |
| 11:30.36 | liable | if its idle it may not be overheating at all, depending on the cpu |
| 11:30.40 | jelly | slimjimflim: what you can do, is try a newer kernel which, perhaps, knows more about your ACPI bugs |
| 11:30.48 | liable | check the files that jelly said |
| 11:31.04 | slimjimflim | i think it's fine as long as it's not working too hard |
| 11:31.22 | slimjimflim | maybe i'll put a box fan on top of it for now to be safe |
| 11:31.51 | jelly | slimjimflim: does it work in another OS, if you have something else installed? |
| 11:32.22 | slimjimflim | i was running on a livecd earlier, lemme try that again |
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| 11:32.26 | slimjimflim | wasn't paying attention then |
| 11:32.48 | jabis | goddamn I upgraded my display drivers and totally lost the following keys from X sessions: qeyopashlzn and colons - onscreen keyboard rocks, though |
| 11:33.22 | slimjimflim | yea, the fan's fine...turns on at boot time |
| 11:33.24 | jabis | what's the dpkg-reconfigure to defaults command for only input devices |
| 11:33.44 | enouf | what? |
| 11:33.51 | jabis | I would like to hold on to my new display driver options, is what I mean |
| 11:34.07 | enouf | !drxx |
| 11:34.07 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 11:34.10 | slimjimflim | i installed cpufreqd per google |
| 11:34.18 | slimjimflim | which fails at startup |
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| 11:34.22 | enouf | or use xrandr and man xorg.conf |
| 11:34.25 | slimjimflim | gets a big box fan |
| 11:35.03 | jabis | enouf, this radeon really puts up a fight, lol |
| 11:35.21 | enouf | jabis: which radeon? |
| 11:35.26 | jabis | HD 4670 |
| 11:35.30 | enouf | ... |
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| 11:35.46 | enouf | !shoot all HD |
| 11:35.46 | dpkg | blows all HD away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers |
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| 11:36.23 | jabis | now when I've the drivers up for dual display, something jammers my kbd-layouts |
| 11:36.23 | enouf | !nuke all Bluray |
| 11:36.23 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at all Bluray |
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| 11:36.51 | enouf | jabis: radeonhd driver? |
| 11:37.00 | dinar | is there tool to check cd's iso image md5 directly from cd? |
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| 11:37.11 | jabis | enouf, yep |
| 11:37.19 | enouf | dinar: 'check integrity' on the debian installer |
| 11:37.29 | enouf | (or similar) |
| 11:37.40 | slimjimflim | jelly, /sys/class/thermal doesn't exist |
| 11:37.48 | dinar | how to open that? |
| 11:37.48 | enouf | !tell jabis -about dual monitors |
| 11:38.02 | jelly | slimjimflim: /proc/acpi/fan ? |
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| 11:38.11 | herra | got a vocious circle problem: I can't VNC to my remote desktop anymore.. so I remoced firestarter and voila.. connect no prob.. I try reinstall firestarter and it goes and starts but I cant get in to configure it cos its blocking the vnc port once Ive logged out and in again... Is there a manualk way to edit this.. iptables or something? the port is 5901 |
| 11:38.17 | herra | *vicious |
| 11:38.26 | slimjimflim | jelly, ya that's there |
| 11:38.27 | enouf | dinar: wait, what? you want to boot into it, and select that choice at the boot prompt |
| 11:38.34 | jabis | enouf, couldn't get the 2 heads using the non-free fglrx to work - since both heads use a dvi->vga plugin |
| 11:38.39 | jelly | slimjimflim: what's in there? |
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| 11:38.44 | enouf | dinar: otherwise just run any md5sum program on the ISO |
| 11:38.59 | dinar | i want to check just burned cd |
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| 11:39.05 | slimjimflim | FAN1 |
| 11:39.09 | enouf | dinar: so, check it ;-) |
| 11:39.14 | dinar | how? |
| 11:39.24 | jelly | slimjimflim: what's in there? |
| 11:39.24 | enouf | dinar: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 11:39.29 | slimjimflim | state |
| 11:39.30 | dinar | ok thanks |
| 11:39.33 | slimjimflim | text file |
| 11:39.38 | jelly | slimjimflim: just state? |
| 11:39.39 | slimjimflim | contents: on |
| 11:39.46 | slimjimflim | yes |
| 11:39.57 | jelly | slimjimflim: what about /proc/acpi/thermal_zone ? |
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| 11:40.41 | slimjimflim | acpi randomly floods the screen w/ `ACPI: transitioning device [FAN1] TO D3' |
| 11:41.09 | slimjimflim | `ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c1377784] 'off'` |
| 11:41.15 | slimjimflim | hang on, i'll try to check |
| 11:41.15 | enouf | dinar: sometimes there will be a mismatch due to various drive firmware and software burner settings/options .. run 'file -s /dev/cdrom' and 'isoinfo -d dev=dev/cdrom' as well (not that either of those are intergrity checks) |
| 11:41.45 | enouf | slimjimflim: lsmod | egrep 'processor|fan|thermal' |
| 11:41.53 | dinar | ok |
| 11:41.55 | slimjimflim | i can't get a prompt, it's just flooding me like crazy now |
| 11:42.00 | _bozo | herra, you have set rules with firestarter and now it's block the vnc port ? |
| 11:42.12 | slimjimflim | ^c is even useless |
| 11:42.35 | jelly | slimjimflim: can you ssh in from another machine? |
| 11:42.59 | slimjimflim | maybe, it's a fresh install, haven't configured ssh yet, but i think it's installed |
| 11:43.13 | enouf | dinar: if you have multiple optical drives, might be cdrom0 or cdrom1 - could want to 'dmesg | grep ATAPI' to see, and pass it /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX instead .. cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 11:43.28 | slimjimflim | jelly, nope |
| 11:43.44 | slimjimflim | is there an older more stable version i could try? |
| 11:43.54 | slimjimflim | i have practically nothing on here |
| 11:44.01 | slimjimflim | oh wait |
| 11:44.12 | enouf | jabis: on;y other thing i guess is ty wiki.x.org and see #radeon perhaps |
| 11:44.14 | jelly | slimjimflim: are you already logged in as root? |
| 11:44.14 | dinar | ok |
| 11:44.17 | slimjimflim | yes |
| 11:44.18 | Rapp | is there a ia32libs version of libdmapi.so? in the default package, there is none... |
| 11:44.20 | enouf | jabis: s/ty/try |
| 11:44.22 | jelly | slimjimflim: if you are, sysctl -w kernel.printk='0 4 1 7' |
| 11:44.23 | slimjimflim | thermal_zone is there |
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| 11:44.30 | slimjimflim | i just barely had time to see it |
| 11:44.34 | slimjimflim | couldn't cat it yet |
| 11:44.41 | jelly | slimjimflim: should quiet the console a bit |
| 11:44.50 | slimjimflim | jelly, ok, maybe it'll let me in in a sec |
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| 11:45.00 | dinar | first way checksum has not matched |
| 11:45.01 | jelly | slimjimflim: you can just type it in blindly |
| 11:45.34 | jelly | slimjimflim: also, use ctrl-L to clear the screen for a bit |
| 11:45.55 | enouf | Rapp: find the source pkg it came from (/msg dpkg search) and see if there are any -ia32lib Binary pkgs built from it |
| 11:46.12 | enouf | s, it == that source pkg |
| 11:46.25 | slimjimflim | ok jelly, i think that did it |
| 11:46.46 | slimjimflim | it's stopped convulsing |
| 11:46.59 | enouf | dinar: did the checksum match when you ran md5sum filename.iso ? |
| 11:47.20 | dinar | ill try |
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| 11:47.56 | enouf | dinar: which exact ISO is it? and didyou get it through debian.org? |
| 11:48.08 | sylar | is there a reverse dns that finds me all domains for the IP? |
| 11:48.18 | jelly | slimjimflim: I'd install and reboot into linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 at this point, perhaps a newer kernel will deal with your acpi bugs more elegantly |
| 11:48.21 | dinar | it is ubuntu, no |
| 11:48.36 | krionux | i'm having trouble to authenticate packages while trying to do a netinstall from floppy, could i force the authentification with base-installer or apt-install ? |
| 11:48.54 | slimjimflim | jelly, k, lemme look at what you were talking about above first |
| 11:49.07 | jabis | enouf, yeah, I've been hanging around both #radeon and #xorg to get some answers, but seems like I've just to wait for the next fglrx drivers, which have more stable support for the R(V?)730 chipset - the card's based on the 770 chipset but there are some things purpously disabled etc... |
| 11:49.15 | enouf | krionux: i think there's a way to override that - see the i-g |
| 11:49.26 | _bozo | sylar, if you set many PTR for the same IP only the first it's used |
| 11:49.33 | enouf | !tell krionux -about i-g |
| 11:49.35 | jelly | lunches |
| 11:50.12 | enouf | jabis: maybe i can interest you in a 9600XT or something :-P |
| 11:50.13 | krionux | enouf: i'll have a look once more |
| 11:50.43 | sylar | _bozo, aha |
| 11:50.54 | sylar | _bozo, is it possible to do better? |
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| 11:51.00 | enouf | hello _bozo |
| 11:51.02 | slimjimflim | enouf, the result of `lsmod|egrep 'processor|fan|thermal'` is as follows: |
| 11:51.21 | slimjimflim | thermal 13608 0 |
| 11:51.34 | slimjimflim | processor 28840 1 thermal |
| 11:51.43 | slimjimflim | fan 4804 0 |
| 11:52.01 | slimjimflim | w/ nice formatting of course |
| 11:52.15 | _bozo | you need a ipv6 range |
| 11:52.18 | enouf | ok then .. might be missing some needed acpi_* modules, not to mention speedstep related ones . try the .24 as suggested |
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| 11:52.24 | dinar | md5sum file name iso matches |
| 11:52.31 | jabis | enouf, I shouldda waited a week or so and gotten my hands on the HD 4830 or whatever it was, but I really liked the 4670's reviews, with low gpu temp aso, so I wouldn't need to upgrade my mobo, nor psu for a simple boost onto 3D power :) |
| 11:52.31 | slimjimflim | k |
| 11:52.32 | _bozo | sylar, you need a ipv6 range or buy ipv4 range |
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| 11:52.57 | _bozo | sylar, or if you want that for private network, check ip aliasing |
| 11:52.58 | enouf | jabis: i understand - just teasing ;-) |
| 11:53.13 | dinar | i can make iso image backward and check it... |
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| 11:53.18 | sylar | _bozo, it is not for me. Say there is a site on a dynip, and I getthe ip and want to know if it is the site domain |
| 11:53.38 | dinar | i am banned in ubuntu channel |
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| 11:53.39 | jabis | for < 100bucks it was kinda worth it - and then came the big bad virus and I lost my temper in win-platform and started about with debian as primary OS :D |
| 11:53.43 | dinar | how to go there? |
| 11:53.54 | dinar | i tried your debian |
| 11:53.55 | enouf | !winner jabis |
| 11:53.55 | dpkg | Today's winner is cplx! |
| 11:54.01 | sylar | _bozo, and all I have is IP |
| 11:54.02 | enouf | heh |
| 11:54.12 | dinar | but it was strangely buggy |
| 11:54.25 | dinar | even restart button have not worked |
| 11:54.46 | _bozo | sylar, you want to get the real domain ? |
| 11:54.50 | sylar | _bozo, and the domain could be any sub domain of the original |
| 11:54.52 | enouf | dinar: last time i ask; [06:45:57] <enouf> dinar: which exact ISO is it? and didyou get it through debian.org? |
| 11:55.02 | sylar | _bozo, yes |
| 11:55.03 | dinar | yes |
| 11:55.09 | dinar | i answered you |
| 11:55.11 | sylar | _bozo, the real domain |
| 11:55.23 | enouf | yes answers b) only dinar - answer a) |
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| 11:56.05 | enouf | dinar: and no, you never answered even b) prior |
| 11:56.10 | dinar | ? |
| 11:56.14 | dinar | i said it is ubuntu, no |
| 11:56.15 | enouf | and use my nickname as a preface |
| 11:56.25 | _bozo | sylar, why ? |
| 11:56.40 | dinar | it is not through debian org of course |
| 11:56.50 | enouf | dinar: goodbye |
| 11:56.52 | sylar | _bozo, for ACL |
| 11:57.13 | dinar | and this channel people dislike when has known that i use ubuntu |
| 11:57.33 | dinar | may be this is not right |
| 11:57.36 | dinar | behavior |
| 11:58.06 | dustybin | dinar: #ubuntu |
| 11:58.10 | dinar | because they both are open source and are similar |
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| 11:58.11 | _bozo | host -t ptr IP, for the real reverse |
| 11:58.18 | _bozo | sylar, host -t ptr IP, for the real reverse |
| 11:58.24 | dinar | so you should be friends i think |
| 11:58.51 | dinar | i even read that ubuntu and debian developers work together |
| 11:59.00 | dustybin | dinar: topic |
| 11:59.14 | dinar | but support channels are so separating from eavh other |
| 11:59.19 | sylar | _bozo, not enough |
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| 11:59.53 | dinar | i banned in ubuntu for some reason i don t know exactly |
| 12:00.08 | dinar | i tested irc clients one day |
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| 12:00.17 | slimjimflim | ok, let's see how it goges |
| 12:00.25 | dinar | how to ask for permission to go back to that? |
| 12:00.36 | sylar | _bozo, for a dyndns it gives the ip.isp.net address |
| 12:00.41 | dinar | please help |
| 12:00.50 | dinar | to go to #ubuntu |
| 12:01.21 | dinar | say them please unban dinar |
| 12:01.36 | dinar | he asks in debian channel :) |
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| 12:02.13 | sylar | dinar, go to #freenode |
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| 12:02.39 | sylar | dinar, I don't understand so much in irc politics but they might |
| 12:03.52 | schme | Wow. |
| 12:04.42 | simonrvn | dinar: here isn't a good place for that sort of thing. go to #freenode like sylar said. |
| 12:05.19 | enouf | and most likely they will tell you to /msg a channel operator and try to resolve the issue that way |
| 12:05.33 | enouf | just don't be a jackass |
| 12:05.34 | slimjimflim | jelly, enouf, booted the newer kernel and still, when acpi starts, the fan stops |
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| 12:05.47 | dinar | your support in irc channel is better then their but ubuntu has forums, "answers", "brainstorm" |
| 12:05.48 | enouf | slimjimflim: pastebin your entire dmesg |
| 12:05.57 | slimjimflim | ok |
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| 12:06.10 | zxd | hi |
| 12:06.25 | zxd | anyone know a tool for checking network performance using UDP ? |
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| 12:08.06 | slimjimflim | er wait, it might be working now |
| 12:08.13 | slimjimflim | i'm not getting the scrolling crap |
| 12:08.28 | slimjimflim | lemme try doing something complex |
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| 12:09.58 | schme | slimjimflim: Just get your cores up to 100% each and it should fire up. |
| 12:10.05 | schme | (gnubg comes to mind) |
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| 12:10.09 | jabis | yo, what was chmod flag I need to add for running as trusted(root) user, I need to make my captstatusui open for other users than myself |
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| 12:10.23 | enouf | zxd: maybe 'dt' .. perhaps netperf? not sure |
| 12:11.35 | slimjimflim | schme, what's a simple command for that |
| 12:11.35 | schme | slimjimflim: Well I dunno a simple. I just run gnubg and I hit 399% CPU usage :) |
| 12:11.39 | slimjimflim | that's what i meant |
| 12:11.42 | enouf | zxd: i prefer finding a debian.org pkg for your needs, but if you can't - this is dt http://home.comcast.net/~SCSIguy/SCSI_FAQ/RMiller_Tools/dt.html |
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| 12:12.00 | SQlvpapir | anyone know of a deamonbased ftp client? |
| 12:12.06 | schme | jabis: man chmod ;) |
| 12:12.10 | schme | pops off. |
| 12:12.37 | enouf | jabis: add the users to the correct group |
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| 12:13.07 | enouf | SQlvpapir: vsftpd is no good? |
| 12:13.15 | slimjimflim | ok there we go, sending a 2gb file over ftp |
| 12:13.33 | slimjimflim | gonna put my hand over the processor, see if it heats up |
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| 12:14.36 | enouf | slimjimflim: see cpuburn ;-) |
| 12:14.42 | SQlvpapir | enouf: afaik thats a server |
| 12:14.57 | jabis | enouf, I wouldn't want to have to do that everytime when user X needs to print a document - my canon wont print without the status ui open, because it's a crappy printer, so I'd just put it running on crontab for everyone :) |
| 12:15.05 | enouf | oh, my bad, i misread ... i suppose you could just daemonize any lient |
| 12:15.08 | jabis | users vary |
| 12:15.11 | enouf | s/lient/client |
| 12:15.28 | slimjimflim | it's heating up |
| 12:15.30 | slimjimflim | no fan |
| 12:16.02 | enouf | jabis: whatever .. my printer says it prints, and nothing happens ;-P |
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| 12:16.51 | slimjimflim | ok, it's too hot to touch now |
| 12:16.58 | slimjimflim | putting the box fan back on |
| 12:17.13 | enouf | SQlvpapir: just start the client with 'command &' and bg the job (might want to 2>&1>/dev/null as well) |
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| 12:17.23 | enouf | SQlvpapir: know about 'screen'? |
| 12:17.39 | jabis | enouf, well it's all the same, this one prints, but only if the status ui is opened - or rather it fills the queue and suddenly starts to print when I open my own user session, so it's not desirable an effect anyhow x) |
| 12:17.42 | SQlvpapir | well I could use screen. but i would prefer to be able to start a transfer using a gui, and then leave it to finish whatever tasks is given. like a combo of x window forwarding and screen |
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| 12:22.08 | dinar | hello |
| 12:22.26 | zoed | Hello! My question is not exactly debian-related, more debian package management related: Is there a (apt/dpkg/..) command that lists all installed packages that are not available in the currently enabled repositories? |
| 12:22.30 | dinar | can you explain me strange bug with debian i get yesterday and installed? |
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| 12:22.40 | dinar | restart button did not work |
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| 12:23.49 | bolt | When buying a brand new high-spec gaming machine, on which I want to run Debian when I'm not gaming, is it still recommended to get an nVidia card? I'd like to run as many of my games in Cedega and/or Wine as possible, and I read that Cedega only officially supports nVidia. |
| 12:24.59 | bolt | dinar: what, exactly, is the "restart button" and what does/doesn't it do? |
| 12:25.24 | dinar | in gnome menu in system in quit |
| 12:25.37 | dinar | it should restart computer |
| 12:26.07 | slimjimflim | enouf http://pastebin.ca/1295821 |
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| 12:26.20 | SQlvpapir | bolt huh? you want to run debian when NOT gaming, and you ask if cedega supports nvidia well.. wth? |
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| 12:27.05 | simonrvn | bolt: ask #cedega...? |
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| 12:28.09 | bolt | SQlvpapir: yep. i expect I have to run Vista as well to support some of the stuff, but as I said I'd like to run as much as possible in Cedega |
| 12:28.36 | bolt | SQlvpapir: I'll admit the initial statement might be somewhat confusing though |
| 12:28.52 | jelly | zoed: yes. aptitude search '?obsolete' |
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| 12:29.14 | dinar | imade cd iso back from dvd with k3b and checked it matched |
| 12:30.01 | zoed | jelly: oh, thanks a lot... quite a list I've got there.... |
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| 12:31.07 | slimjimflim | jelly, i just pasted my dmesg ^^^^ |
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| 12:31.15 | lbt | Any suggestions for doing a system backup of the root filesystem? (and a corresponding restore). |
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| 12:32.53 | _SlayerXP | lbt: google and other such sources will suggest "mondo rescue" |
| 12:33.16 | _SlayerXP | lbt: I recommend spearing your own eyes with cocktail sticks rather than using mondo rescue. |
| 12:33.21 | lbt | _SlayerXP: oh google suggests a *lot* of answers <grin> |
| 12:33.27 | lbt | I tried http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-backup.html |
| 12:34.06 | lbt | I'm ideally looking for "I actually did a restore with X and I'm still sane" |
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| 12:34.24 | lbt | note, restore, not backup ;) |
| 12:34.40 | jelly | lbt: a decent livecd, a rsync-based backup, and a copy of your partition table (eg. sfdisk -d /dev/XXX) is usually enough |
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| 12:35.48 | jelly | lbt: this is assuming you'll be able to boot said livecd and access the disk on which said rsync backup is stored, at the recovery time |
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| 12:36.55 | Nin | hi everybody there |
| 12:36.58 | Nin | and good afternoon |
| 12:37.29 | jelly | lbt: that manual needs to be updated to consider current availability of cheap, huge hard disks |
| 12:37.43 | lbt | OK, I use rsync a lot for other backups - I tend to rebuild a system rather than restore |
| 12:37.59 | lbt | but I figured I should backup my firewall |
| 12:38.10 | lbt | since if that dies I have no google (or you lot!) |
| 12:39.25 | slimjimflim | jelly, enouf do you see anything interesting in my paste? |
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| 12:39.30 | eagle1 | hi ppl |
| 12:39.33 | jelly | lbt: I rsync everything, and in case of crash, (re)format, copy everything back, and update the boot loader |
| 12:39.44 | enouf | slimjimflim: your acpi looks fine, check your mobo fan connectors |
| 12:40.01 | slimjimflim | they're fine, the fan runs at boot time |
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| 12:40.22 | enouf | slimjimflim: and fix your floppy drive - maybe you have the data cable inserted upside down? (the light usually remains on if so) |
| 12:40.32 | slimjimflim | oh |
| 12:40.38 | slimjimflim | i was messing w/ that |
| 12:40.41 | enouf | slimjimflim: er.. so when don't they run? |
| 12:40.44 | lbt | thanks jelly, I'll take that approach too... |
| 12:41.14 | ssc | hello folks! i'm trying to configure exim4-daemon-heavy with TLS enabled, but when i try to restart exim i get the following error: option "tls_advertise_hosts" unknown |
| 12:41.25 | jelly | lbt: the only problem is that huge, cheap sata disks tend to die ;-) |
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| 12:41.53 | eagle1 | i'm wondering if someone have some clue about a security hole that i've in a debian etch with apache 2.2.3. in the error.log appear sysctl: command not found |
| 12:42.00 | lbt | I have a *lot* of huge cheap sata disks - I know ;) |
| 12:42.05 | eagle1 | and someone inject some perl command |
| 12:42.11 | slimjimflim | enouf, IT doesn't run when the services are starting before i get a login prompt, but after grub |
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| 12:42.43 | jelly | eagle1: are you sure it's an apache issue, and not, say, a php application issue? |
| 12:42.49 | lbt | I'll be backing up to a RAID5 nfs |
| 12:43.00 | eagle1 | jelly, pretty sure |
| 12:43.03 | eagle1 | really :) |
| 12:43.20 | SQlvpapir | jelly you backup to a nfs share? |
| 12:43.22 | _SlayerXP | lbt: raid is not a replacement for a tested backup regime |
| 12:43.36 | eagle1 | i've disabled all the sites-enabled and this night i've found the exploit running again |
| 12:43.42 | _SlayerXP | no level of RAID will protect you from an mkfs in the wrong place. |
| 12:43.43 | lbt | _SlayerXP: read what I wrote <sigh> |
| 12:43.44 | jelly | eagle1: or any other application issue, I'm not picky. |
| 12:44.14 | eagle1 | jelly, no other application running |
| 12:44.19 | jelly | eagle1: anything in access log? |
| 12:44.31 | eagle1 | nothing in access |
| 12:44.41 | jelly | eagle1: cron/at jobs? |
| 12:44.44 | eagle1 | in fact i see that someone exploit me trought gd or malformed jpeg i think |
| 12:44.51 | eagle1 | i see the log of wget download in error.log |
| 12:45.00 | eagle1 | download of eggdrop and psybnc |
| 12:45.15 | jelly | eagle1: are you sure you're looking at the correct access.log? :-) |
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| 12:45.32 | eagle1 | jelly, of course |
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| 12:45.56 | enouf | slimjimflim: so, it works up until which point in your dmesg? Also -> hda: host side 80-wire cable detection failed, limiting max speed to UDMA33 <-- get an 80wire IDE cable |
| 12:46.19 | MrWGW | if I have multiple interfaces configured |
| 12:46.22 | liable | is that a box with ssd drive? |
| 12:46.23 | MrWGW | and they're all on the same LAN |
| 12:46.38 | MrWGW | is pinging a specific interface a reliable indication as to whether or not that interface is up? |
| 12:46.41 | MrWGW | i.e. |
| 12:46.43 | enouf | slimjimflim: /msg dpkg bootlogd (as well) |
| 12:46.47 | MrWGW | suppose eth0 is 192.168.1.2 and eth1 is 192.168.1.3 |
| 12:46.56 | MrWGW | if you ping 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.1.3, and get replies from both |
| 12:47.00 | MrWGW | does that mean that both interfaces are up? |
| 12:47.06 | MrWGW | or can one interface answer for the other? |
| 12:47.19 | jelly | eagle1: I suggest contacting the security team and apache maintainers. |
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| 12:47.40 | eagle1 | jelly, i'll do, i'm talking with the attacker on undernet |
| 12:47.50 | jelly | eagle1: wtf! |
| 12:48.06 | slimjimflim | enouf, i have no idea at what point in dmesg |
| 12:48.12 | MrWGW | yeah we're in serous wtfness with that one |
| 12:48.39 | eagle1 | jelly, eh, i've found the irc server, the channel and the nick |
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| 12:48.58 | cantido | MrWGW: it means that some interface is responding to that ip address.. |
| 12:49.27 | cantido | MrWGW: you could check what MAC address the reply is coming from to verify that it's the intended interface |
| 12:49.43 | enouf | slimjimflim: also, from this in dmesg "* The chipset may have PM-Timer Bug. Due to workarounds for a bug, ..." read that, try various kernel boot params (as suggested there) and notice the "PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report" .. however, you might need something silly like; <any one of these> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.23/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L125 |
| 12:50.37 | enouf | slimjimflim: hrm, have you disabled any/all APM in the BIOS? enabled Speedstep (if applicable), etc? |
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| 12:51.20 | slimjimflim | hmmm |
| 12:51.30 | slimjimflim | enouf, yea, i saw that thing about the pm-timer bug |
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| 12:51.40 | slimjimflim | just didn't know what to change |
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| 12:53.22 | slimjimflim | enouf, i've been up all night doing this, seems like a good stopping point for now, gotta get some sleep |
| 12:53.34 | jelly | slimjimflim: I'd figure out a way to read the current temperature first, and start worrying only if there's a case of fan not turning on when it's really needed |
| 12:53.35 | MrWGW | cantido: ty |
| 12:53.38 | MrWGW | ultimately I tested it in another manner |
| 12:53.44 | enouf | slimjimflim: sure .. i gotta run too |
| 12:53.51 | slimjimflim | at least i have an idea of where to start when i get up |
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| 12:54.20 | slimjimflim | jelly well, it was getting pretty hot...i don't want to risk it |
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| 12:55.15 | jelly | SQlvpapir: no, why? |
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| 12:55.56 | SQlvpapir | jelly I had a near dead experience last night |
| 12:57.13 | SQlvpapir | and I'd like to use the server that has backup disk swapped daily so I dont have to psycically plug/unplug more stuff |
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| 12:57.43 | SQlvpapir | just qurious in other words |
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| 13:07.46 | hargut | hello |
| 13:08.30 | hargut | does anyone of you know which value dh_make uses for the e-mail fields which are filled out under the ./debian/ directory? |
| 13:08.52 | hargut | or how do i change my e-mail address which is used by dh_make? |
| 13:12.10 | liable | hargut: DEBEMAIL |
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| 13:12.28 | hargut | liable: thanks, i've already found it. :) |
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| 13:13.01 | liable | hargut: man dch has a bit of info on the various vars for the devscripts |
| 13:13.34 | hargut | liable: it was also listed in man dh_make |
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| 13:17.48 | hargut | has anyone of you a good hint for starting with cdbs instead of modifying all nessacary files in the debian directory? |
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| 13:18.25 | magellanic | is there a channel devoted to deb package building? thanks |
| 13:18.26 | liable | hargut: try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 13:18.32 | liable | magellanic: ^^ |
| 13:18.53 | magellanic | liable: okay thank you |
| 13:19.05 | liable | !nmg |
| 13:19.06 | dpkg | i guess nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 13:19.11 | liable | magellanic: also ^^ |
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| 13:20.13 | magellanic | hm, mentors is a invite only channel it seems. I looked briefly at the new maintainters guide |
| 13:20.30 | liable | shouldnt be invite only. |
| 13:20.35 | liable | on oftc? |
| 13:20.54 | magellanic | doesn't explain the dh_ tools all that nicely, looking at the man pages as well |
| 13:21.07 | liable | its not |
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| 13:22.30 | magellanic | liable: managed to get in, saw the topic about the chans decommision.. |
| 13:22.58 | magellanic | bleh, trying again |
| 13:23.09 | liable | magellanic: the network for the channel is irc.debian.org, not freenode |
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| 13:24.32 | gbear14275 | hello, I am a newcomer to the linmux scene and was wondering if I could get a bit of cultural/procedural mentoring. I am trying to get a particular aspect of wmctrl package working but am unsure if it it works within ubuntu (i know this isn't the ubuntu chat). The reason I am asking here is it says that the program was written for debian in the man page. I was curious if I am looking to find information or discover if there might be an issue... shoul |
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| 13:24.50 | gbear14275 | and... I mispelled linux. Sorry. |
| 13:26.24 | magellanic | liable: oops! I can't believe I didn't see that, apologies |
| 13:27.16 | gbear14275 | magellanic: Did I miss something... this channel is being decommissioned? |
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| 13:27.20 | liable | gbear14275: if you are running ubuntu, then you should ask in that channel. even if the man page was made by debian (as are most of the ubuntu packages) you should still ask that channel, as they may have altered it. |
| 13:27.36 | gbear14275 | liable: ok thanks... will do |
| 13:27.41 | magellanic | gbear14275: nope, sorry misinformation there, I didn't read properly ;p |
| 13:27.45 | liable | gbear14275: yw |
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| 13:35.03 | hargut | liable: nmg i know about, debian-mentors too, but it's invite only. i'll have a look at the nmg, if there is something about cdbs in there. thanks. |
| 13:35.14 | hargut | magellanic: thanks too. |
| 13:35.38 | magellanic | hargut: mentors on irc.debian.org, not freenode ;) |
| 13:37.36 | hargut | magellanic: oh, i thaught it was freenode. |
| 13:38.16 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:38.18 | Posterdati | please |
| 13:38.32 | Posterdati | I could not use usb devices with virtualbox non-ose on lenny |
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| 13:38.56 | jelly | Posterdati: try #vbox for nonfree virtualbox support |
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| 13:39.13 | Posterdati | jelly: ok |
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| 13:48.34 | Federico2 | hi there |
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| 13:49.03 | Federico2 | I was wandering if it makes sense to enable preemption on a Debian desktop |
| 13:49.29 | Federico2 | anybody here is using it? |
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| 13:49.56 | abrotman | preemption where? |
| 13:50.06 | Federico2 | in the kernel |
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| 13:50.20 | Federico2 | it's disabled by default |
| 13:50.30 | Federico2 | you could run grep -i pree /boot/config-$(uname -r) and you'll see |
| 13:50.30 | elbryan_ | as I was telling to Federico2 before, I've noticed that the default provided kernel has no-preemption feature enabled |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | you'd have to apparently recompile the kernel to get it, and then you're responsible for your own security issues |
| 13:51.47 | abrotman | unless i'm not understanding the kernel options |
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| 13:52.36 | elbryan_ | as long as I know a preemptible kernel doesn not affect the system's security |
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| 13:53.25 | simonrvn | 2he meant security patches... |
| 13:53.31 | abrotman | !dsa |
| 13:53.32 | dpkg | hmm... dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 13:53.35 | abrotman | those security issues |
| 13:53.45 | simonrvn | s/2// |
| 13:54.26 | elbryan_ | as spoken in bug #497755, shall we have 2 separate kernels? |
| 13:54.41 | abrotman | !dbugs 497755 |
| 13:54.45 | dpkg | #497755:W[linux-2.6] linux-image-2.6: Separate desktop and server kernels (); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:21:01 UTC [] |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | that's a wishlist .. |
| 13:55.10 | abrotman | and that's possibly a lot of extra work for the kernel team |
| 13:56.04 | elbryan_ | Federico2 found a bug where someone talked about that possibility http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=496871 |
| 13:56.29 | mavhc | that's the wrong direction to take, you should have more configurable kernels so you're not just stuck with desktop and server, you need phone, laptop, cloud, etc |
| 13:56.30 | elbryan_ | and the reasons to have a non-preemptible kernel is disabled for "slowing down servers". |
| 13:57.01 | valdyn | elbryan_: is there an actual problem with non-preemptible kernels? |
| 13:57.32 | elbryan_ | no problem but it's an opinable choice |
| 13:57.32 | sajes | mavhc: Don't forget the toaster kernel. |
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| 13:59.19 | elbryan_ | most of the installation are for desktop / home computers, not servers.. anyway, there aren't problem caused by preemptive/non-preemptive feature itself |
| 13:59.40 | abrotman | mavhc: there are many tunables already |
| 13:59.50 | valdyn | elbryan_: so theres no actual problem and no one needs an extra kernel |
| 14:00.00 | Federico2 | mavhc.. phone you wrote? |
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| 14:00.16 | sajes | I thought most people compiled the kernel with their own configuration anyways. |
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| 14:00.52 | orgthingy | hi |
| 14:01.03 | elbryan_ | valdyn, there's a reason if a desktop kernel shall have preemption and a server shall not have |
| 14:01.04 | orgthingy | should i Get sid or etch for desktop? |
| 14:01.06 | Federico2 | elbryan_, btw I wouldn't be so sure that most of the systems that are running Debian are desktops |
| 14:01.12 | valdyn | elbryan_: which is which reason? |
| 14:01.48 | orgthingy | because ubuntu crashes a lot :-/ so i decided to get debian but i dunno if i should get stable or unstable.. |
| 14:01.48 | sajes | orgthingy: Depends. I'd suggest lenny in most cases. |
| 14:01.52 | Federico2 | preemption lower server's performances |
| 14:01.56 | orgthingy | lenny? isnt that testing? |
| 14:02.09 | feitingen | Federico2: i am using debian on my phone |
| 14:02.09 | abrotman | currently yes |
| 14:02.13 | JPT | lenny will be stable soon... |
| 14:02.15 | sajes | orgthingy: It's close to being released as stable with only a couple handfuls of RC bugs. |
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| 14:03.24 | elbryan_ | valdyn, a non preemptive kernel is good if the applications that run on the system are """ well-written """ |
| 14:03.31 | Federico2 | feitingen, I'm not surprised, but if we had to have a binary packaged kernel for each kind of device (routers, embedded systems, smartphones..) it will be a mess |
| 14:03.35 | valdyn | elbryan_: nah, nonsense |
| 14:03.47 | orgthingy | ok, how many CDs should i get just to make it "work" |
| 14:03.56 | sajes | orgthingy: You only need the first one. |
| 14:03.57 | orgthingy | 2 or 1? |
| 14:04.02 | elbryan_ | valdyn, no preemption means that the scheduler can't take CPU off a process |
| 14:04.02 | orgthingy | ah, great |
| 14:04.10 | valdyn | elbryan_: also wrong |
| 14:04.12 | orgthingy | sajes : first CD has GUI? |
| 14:04.13 | abrotman | orgthingy: the netinst |
| 14:04.15 | craigevil | orgthingy: lenny/testing is more "stable" than most other distro, so is unstable if you know what your doing, use the netinstall if you have a good connection |
| 14:04.22 | abrotman | orgthingy: CD1 does, the netinst does not |
| 14:04.31 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 14:04.36 | Shadowcat | throws a snowball at abrotman |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | i just left that crap! |
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| 14:04.54 | orgthingy | so CD1 has GNOME? |
| 14:04.55 | elbryan_ | valdyn, I wait the right answer |
| 14:05.01 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 14:05.05 | Shadowcat | throws an iceball at abrotman |
| 14:05.09 | valdyn | elbryan_: if theres no actual problem then theres no point in an additional kernel, thats my point |
| 14:05.10 | sajes | orgthingy: You can get KDE or XFCE too. |
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| 14:05.29 | abrotman | Shadowcat: plane took off it was 18F, landed it was 60F |
| 14:05.30 | sajes | orgthingy: On the cd's anyways. You can install whatever you want after you get the system installed. |
| 14:05.40 | orgthingy | yea |
| 14:05.45 | elbryan_ | valdyn, I respect your point.. but I'm still at mine :P |
| 14:05.52 | orgthingy | sajes : and, since i use ubuntu i want to move my config files form /home/user-name |
| 14:05.56 | Shadowcat | flies abrotman back to the North Pole |
| 14:05.59 | orgthingy | i should move it to /root @ debian ? |
| 14:06.07 | Shadowcat | hmm... STOP ircing while on vacation! |
| 14:06.12 | Shadowcat | cancels abrotman's hotel wifi |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | i'm not |
| 14:06.24 | Shadowcat | lies :P |
| 14:06.26 | sajes | orgthingy: Nope. Keep it in your /home/username. Running as root is never a good idea. |
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| 14:06.47 | orgthingy | sajes : hmm |
| 14:06.47 | abrotman | nope |
| 14:06.57 | orgthingy | So i shouldn't be root even on debian xD ? |
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| 14:07.07 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 14:07.11 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be root period |
| 14:07.15 | sajes | orgthingy: Shouldn't be root anywhere unless you need it. |
| 14:07.49 | Federico2 | still, there is something we need to clarify about preemption |
| 14:07.54 | valdyn | elbryan_: preemptible kernels allow kernel code running to be "preempted" by a process. It slows down overall thruput, it decreases latency, its useless as long as latency is already good enough |
| 14:07.56 | Federico2 | on Debian it's disabled by default |
| 14:08.20 | Federico2 | while on most of the other distros is enabled |
| 14:08.29 | abrotman | Federico2: which other distros ? |
| 14:08.37 | stoned_enkidu | valdyn, preempt is good for gamers |
| 14:08.42 | Federico2 | including red had / centos which are supposed to be run on servers |
| 14:08.43 | orgthingy | hgreat, 18 hours left for download 1st CD |
| 14:08.48 | orgthingy | is waiting ;D |
| 14:08.48 | feitingen | Federico2: there is binary packaged programs for a variety of different platforms, is that not a mess? |
| 14:08.53 | valdyn | elbryan_: ^^^ which seems to be the case for you, which is probably not the case for different workloads |
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| 14:09.08 | craigevil | orgthingy: wow are you on dial up? |
| 14:09.15 | abrotman | orgthingy: this is why you should use the netinst |
| 14:09.18 | orgthingy | craigevil : no, sea cables got damaged |
| 14:09.19 | stoned_enkidu | compile kernel yourselves |
| 14:09.26 | orgthingy | abrotman : eh? why |
| 14:09.37 | elbryan_ | valdyn, yea.. that means that if you're executing a md5 collision on a tty and a kernel compile on another with a no preemptive kernel you can't switch throught the consoles (stupid examples i know) |
| 14:09.47 | Federico2 | feitingen, actually it is... taking care of many platforms is already giving a huge workload to the DDs |
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| 14:09.57 | stoned_enkidu | fortunatelly i got mirror in the same building ^^ |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | orgthingy: it won't take you two days to get it ? |
| 14:10.01 | orgthingy | oh, now 21 hours left :'( |
| 14:10.06 | valdyn | elbryan_: yea, as we are talking about time ranges of x0 ms |
| 14:10.12 | Federico2 | feitingen, and adding many new kernels would increase it furthermore |
| 14:10.14 | abrotman | orgthingy: nad you won't be downloading things you don't need |
| 14:10.25 | feitingen | stoned_enkidu: thats what i like to do, and using the debian utils, i can make a neat package to distribute out to similarly configured machines |
| 14:10.34 | orgthingy | abrotman : hmm, so what should i download? GNOME and..? (in netinstall) |
| 14:10.44 | elbryan_ | valdyn, a preemptive kernel is a more reacting kernel: good for desktop and good for a default installation (my 2 cents) |
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| 14:10.56 | valdyn | elbryan_: and its kernel code that gets preempted, not the actual compile or md5 stuff |
| 14:11.00 | abrotman | orgthingy: if you get the netinst, it will get packages after the install |
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| 14:11.10 | abrotman | orgthingy: so you will only end up with the things you need |
| 14:11.37 | valdyn | elbryan_: sure, if it makes a noticable difference ( which i personally cant see ) |
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| 14:12.11 | elbryan_ | valdyn, might help on a pentium 3? |
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| 14:12.50 | orgthingy | ah, thanks |
| 14:12.54 | orgthingy | lovely community ^_^ |
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| 14:13.11 | abrotman | does a little turn on the catwalk |
| 14:13.30 | feitingen | lovely ^^ |
| 14:13.35 | asg | is too sexy for his cat |
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| 14:13.52 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:14.18 | valdyn | elbryan_: more likely than on faster systems |
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| 14:14.55 | schme | How about these golden quotes: "keep preempt turned off always, it's useless. Preempt just wastes cpu with tons of branches in fast paths that should take one cycle instead" - Andrea Arcangeli and "preempt is overrated" - Andrew Morton ;) |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | what do they know .. pssh |
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| 14:15.53 | feitingen | oh, the reason i joined was that python-cairo was causing some grief on my phone, it refuses to configure itself |
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| 14:16.22 | valdyn | I agree with Andrew Morton at least.. |
| 14:16.45 | schme | I personally never got any gains from preempt kernels. |
| 14:17.11 | xst | I try to configure a static IP address in /etc/network/interfaces. The "broadcast" parameter seems to be optional. Can it deduce the broadcast address itself if it is not specified? |
| 14:17.13 | Federico2 | schme, did you had any performance loss? |
| 14:17.25 | Federico2 | yes xst |
| 14:17.28 | schme | Federico2: Not that I could notice to be honest. |
| 14:17.32 | xst | thanks |
| 14:17.48 | elbryan_ | here we go .. same point.. "no problem no reason to change" |
| 14:17.49 | jelly | Federico2: does sound skipping and video losing frames count as performance loss? |
| 14:18.18 | Federico2 | it depends jelly |
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| 14:18.19 | schme | I'm all for a debian realtime kernel though :) |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | xst: so is the "network" option |
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| 14:18.27 | elbryan_ | jelly, pre-emptive kernel gave you those problem that a non preemptive kernel solved? |
| 14:18.45 | Federico2 | it should be the contrary jelly |
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| 14:19.52 | Bertthold_4 | hi@all |
| 14:20.06 | Bertthold_4 | hello?? |
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| 14:20.15 | Bertthold_4 | www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/ |
| 14:20.16 | SQlvpapir | your an alcoholic too? |
| 14:20.27 | abrotman | you're |
| 14:20.27 | schme | I'm a bit confused about this not being able to switch through the consoles while doing the md5 thing and kernel compile. I often have this machine here hitting full CPU usage and I have no problem switching around, or doing anything really. |
| 14:20.32 | jelly | Bertthold_4: you are being reported to #pennergame, thanks for playing. |
| 14:20.33 | tomaw | Bertthold_4: spamming those on freenode will get you banned from pennergame |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 14:20.53 | Bertthold_4 | www.pennergame.de/change_please/8815217/ |
| 14:21.04 | schme | Maybe I should try it with the preempt :) |
| 14:21.04 | abrotman | not very smart ... |
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| 14:22.38 | elbryan_ | schme, that was a stupid example :P |
| 14:23.16 | jelly | schme: uname -r? |
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| 14:23.35 | elbryan_ | schme, and it's important the scheduler too |
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| 14:24.19 | elbryan_ | but a "make -j3" compilation and md5 collision are heavy operations.. try with X closed :P |
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| 14:27.30 | zxd | ddddddddddddd |
| 14:27.40 | zxd | is snopoozy <<< |
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| 14:27.59 | abrotman | is that an adjective ? |
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| 14:28.21 | elbryan_ | abrotman, I think it's a debugger |
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| 14:31.52 | flower | I got a error when I do safe-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/mc399ae0 |
| 14:32.02 | aoliveira | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.33 | abrotman | aoliveira: there's a framebuffer howto .. maybe that |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | flower: it thinks you have done python on your own? |
| 14:33.30 | flower | abrotman: build it my own? no |
| 14:33.42 | abrotman | flower: etch? lenny? sid? |
| 14:33.46 | abrotman | did you check the bts ? |
| 14:34.05 | flower | abrotman: I tried to install the experimental version on debian lenny/sid |
| 14:34.09 | aoliveira | abrotman: what is framebuffer ? |
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| 14:34.28 | abrotman | !fb |
| 14:34.28 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
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| 14:34.52 | flower | abrotman: bts? |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | !tell flower about bts |
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| 14:35.12 | aoliveira | !framebuffer |
| 14:35.12 | dpkg | framebuffer is, like, a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see <fbcon>. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 14:35.45 | aoliveira | !fbcon |
| 14:35.45 | dpkg | methinks fbcon is a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution> |
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| 14:36.00 | DevilChaos | hey guys |
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| 14:36.16 | pigmej | Hi everyone |
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| 14:36.38 | abrotman | !tell aoliveira about msg the bot |
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| 14:37.00 | DevilChaos | im trying to set up nfs i dont seem to have file /etc/exports for some reason, i have nfs-common package installed is there one im missing? |
| 14:37.06 | pigmej | I have trouble with some kind of python... |
| 14:37.13 | abrotman | DevilChaos: or just create it |
| 14:37.18 | DevilChaos | ah |
| 14:37.28 | DevilChaos | coolio |
| 14:37.42 | pigmej | i cannot install/reinstall/remove etc with dpkg |
| 14:37.45 | pigmej | "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'remove_byte_code'" |
| 14:37.51 | pigmej | that's the error |
| 14:37.57 | pigmej | no idea how to fix it |
| 14:38.00 | zxd | hey |
| 14:38.11 | pigmej | On groups there is no info how to fix it too |
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| 14:38.14 | Mike1 | hey |
| 14:38.15 | zxd | what's source-routed traffic ? net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_source_route |
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| 14:38.41 | aoliveira | abrotman: ty brother |
| 14:38.51 | pigmej | anyone? |
| 14:39.00 | DevilChaos | traffic routed through from source? at firewall? |
| 14:39.03 | abrotman | !tell pigmej about bts |
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| 14:39.16 | pigmej | abrotman: I know... |
| 14:39.24 | pigmej | I have looked at it |
| 14:39.28 | zxd | DevilChaos, what source? |
| 14:39.31 | DevilChaos | if you khow why ask |
| 14:39.32 | pigmej | and there are some bugs like mine |
| 14:39.38 | aoliveira | !tell aoliveira about bts |
| 14:39.43 | pigmej | but still the same, no answer how to fix it |
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| 14:40.22 | Mike1 | i'm using the smartd to inform me about disk-problems, but it always sends me a "SMART error (OfflineUncorrectableSector) detected"-message, which seems to be harmless thus i want to avoid being informed...how can i do that? |
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| 14:40.55 | DevilChaos | ipv4 is contolled either via iptables or the firewall and you should it in your routing table either on the router or settings |
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| 14:41.07 | DevilChaos | see |
| 14:41.27 | DevilChaos | thats all i know |
| 14:41.57 | aoliveira | Mike1: man smartd or diggin the source or google lol |
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| 14:42.44 | Mike1 | aoliveira: i allready did that, but i will try again :) |
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| 14:44.31 | DevilChaos | abrotman - i have what might be a silly question and if anyione else has suggestions would be appreciated aswell i want to copy all info from my main pc on all partitions and repartition my hard disk so i have a larger boot partition can i do this then copy all my info back again and my sys still work ? |
| 14:44.55 | aoliveira | Mike1: OfflineUncorrectableSector: during off-line testing, or self-testing, one or more disk sectors could not be read. |
| 14:45.02 | abrotman | it's not quite that simple .. but mostly |
| 14:45.22 | aoliveira | Mike1: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/man/smartd.8.html |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | DevilChaos: or use LVM :) |
| 14:45.28 | DevilChaos | surely as long as i have the boot partition bootible? |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | permissions, etc .. |
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| 14:47.24 | zxd | is there a way to extract the config settings the running kernel is using ? i really need to find out , i don't have /proc/config.gz and the file in /boot/config-foo is not the one |
| 14:48.00 | DevilChaos | lvm sounds the shot but can i use it for the set-up i have or do i need to have the disk set-up and formatted for lvm before i can use it? |
| 14:48.02 | abrotman | /boot/config-$(uname -r_ |
| 14:48.06 | abrotman | /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | DevilChaos: you'd have to use it from the start |
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| 14:48.42 | zxd | abrotman, but i just said that isn't the file of the running kernel |
| 14:48.45 | DevilChaos | right so im in for a totall overhaul |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | zxd: why isn't it? |
| 14:48.55 | zxd | because it isn't |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | zxd: show us `uname -a` |
| 14:48.59 | aoliveira | Mike1: there is something about -i and -I option about ignore some errors |
| 14:49.02 | zxd | any other way i can extract it? |
| 14:49.10 | zxd | abrotman, i am not an idiot plz |
| 14:49.14 | abrotman | zxd: show us `uname -a` |
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| 14:49.30 | DevilChaos | zxa - dude listen to abrotman he knows what hes talking about |
| 14:49.40 | DevilChaos | d |
| 14:49.42 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 14:50.26 | zxd | abrotman, it is the same ver but it isn't the same as the kernel that is running ! it was custom made from debianized linux source package |
| 14:50.45 | zxd | and someone messed with that file |
| 14:50.54 | DevilChaos | reinstall |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | okay then don't help |
| 14:51.00 | zxd | what? |
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| 14:51.46 | DevilChaos | zxd whats the output from uname -a |
| 14:51.52 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 14:52.07 | abrotman | zxd: did you use make-kpkg to create your custom junk? |
| 14:52.13 | orgthingy | whats wrong? all these unbame today? |
| 14:52.14 | DevilChaos | heyh |
| 14:52.15 | orgthingy | kernel issues? |
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| 14:52.57 | zxd | cmp /boot/config-2.6.26 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26/.config |
| 14:52.58 | zxd | /boot/config-2.6.26 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26/.config differ: byte 87, line 4 |
| 14:53.31 | DevilChaos | why cant you use a stock kernel ? |
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| 14:54.09 | abrotman | or answer questions |
| 14:54.11 | DevilChaos | then any mods you want put faf about with use module-assistant? |
| 14:54.52 | DevilChaos | for the record what is it exactly you are trying to do? |
| 14:55.05 | zxd | abrotman, i KNOW make-kpkg creates a deb package with config file and system and kernel and auto generates the initrd file when you install it , but i dont have the deb file |
| 14:55.10 | zxd | i dont know who installed the running kernel |
| 14:55.11 | Tenkawa | abrotman: refresh my memory.. can i386 debian distros address 8 gb of ram? |
| 14:55.31 | abrotman | Tenkawa: -bigmem kernels |
| 14:55.33 | Tenkawa | is trying to decide to use amd64 install or not |
| 14:55.34 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 14:55.35 | zxd | abrotman, is that clear enouth ? |
| 14:55.39 | Tenkawa | thats what I thought |
| 14:55.42 | abrotman | Tenkawa: it will use PAE .. so you lose some |
| 14:55.45 | DevilChaos | no 64 |
| 14:55.46 | Tenkawa | ah |
| 14:55.48 | Tenkawa | thats right |
| 14:55.51 | zxd | abrotman, or do you still want to dance around the original question? |
| 14:55.58 | abrotman | zxd: so you don't even know if the running kernel was compiled on the machine in question ? |
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| 14:56.17 | abrotman | or where the source tree is |
| 14:56.35 | DevilChaos | abrotman - timewaster i thinks |
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| 14:56.53 | Tenkawa | I've battled too many amd64 issues with my q6600+8 gb ram setup once already... was rebuilding the server and thinking of not bothering with amd64 for now |
| 14:57.03 | zxd | abrotman, but i didnt ask that |
| 14:57.16 | zxd | abrotman, i asked if it's possible to extract the config info from a running kernel |
| 14:57.21 | zxd | yes , no ? |
| 14:57.23 | abrotman | zxd: but you're telling us that the source tree .config doesn't match the /boot/uname -a config |
| 14:57.23 | zxd | don't know |
| 14:57.26 | DevilChaos | 32bit is better than the 64 more compatiblity with stuff |
| 14:57.31 | zxd | abrotman, right |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | zxd: AFAIK if it's not in /proc/, no |
| 14:57.37 | zxd | good. |
| 14:57.43 | Tenkawa | DevilChaos: yeah compatibility is why I'm thinking of sticking with i386 |
| 14:57.43 | abrotman | zxd: possibly ask ##kernel |
| 14:57.56 | RoM | Tenkawa: but it was still time well spent, right? |
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| 14:58.21 | Tenkawa | RoM: well.. some driver annoyances but yeah it was a good learning experience |
| 14:58.23 | DevilChaos | yup yup i have the amd athlon 64 san deago chip and i wish i didnt get it |
| 14:58.46 | RoM | I just wish I could get past driver annoyances some day |
| 14:58.46 | DevilChaos | wished i waited for quad core instead |
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| 14:59.09 | Mike1 | abrotman: thank you! i hope it will work :) |
| 14:59.12 | Tenkawa | DevilChaos: yeah I got a quad 6600 and a x2 dual |
| 14:59.21 | DevilChaos | driver annoyances will allways be there cos profiteering gits will allways have closed cource drivers |
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| 14:59.53 | Mike1 | abrotman: the only risk is: what if the current amount of 1 unreadable sectors increases? |
| 15:00.03 | DevilChaos | anyone seen the im a pc ad on the telly with mr bill im brilliant gates ? |
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| 15:00.15 | abrotman | Mike1: eh what? |
| 15:00.25 | zofia | hi |
| 15:00.32 | abrotman | Mike1: i wasn't talking about smartctl was i ? |
| 15:00.33 | zofia | i need working sources.list for debian testing |
| 15:00.40 | abrotman | !tell zofia about sources.list |
| 15:00.53 | Mike1 | abrotman: oooops :D |
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| 15:01.03 | abrotman | s'alright |
| 15:01.04 | cmdKeen | How can I set of USB devices mounted in /dev/bus/usb/* ? |
| 15:01.33 | cmdKeen | s/set/set GID/ |
| 15:02.00 | Mike1 | aoliveira: what if the current amount of 1 Offline_Uncorrectable sectors increases? i won't be warned then |
| 15:02.03 | bvk | hi, which package provides bash autocompletion for dpkg, aptitude, etc.? somehow its not working on my box :( |
| 15:03.12 | stew | bvk: the 'bash' package on etch and the bash-completion package in lenny/sid |
| 15:03.21 | DevilChaos | stew! |
| 15:03.42 | DevilChaos | hey dude |
| 15:03.46 | stew | hi |
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| 15:06.03 | Hailer | how do I install ssh server? |
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| 15:06.17 | lunk | Hailer: openssh |
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| 15:06.43 | bvk | stew: thanks, its working :) |
| 15:06.45 | Hailer | and does it incluse sftp access? |
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| 15:07.11 | lunk | Hailer: it covers all ssh based services |
| 15:07.40 | Hailer | how do I start using it? I installed it |
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| 15:08.40 | pif | hi, i'm net-installing debian, how can I tell the installer to use a raid device /dev/md1 ? |
| 15:08.52 | pif | I've created the device with mdadm in a shell |
| 15:08.58 | _SlayerXP | Hailer: the same way you'd start using any other piece of software. |
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| 15:09.23 | Hailer | I don't know :( |
| 15:09.28 | DevilChaos | hailer google should be able to give you a good how to |
| 15:09.29 | _SlayerXP | pif: the installer's disk paritioning any fs layout wizard will do that for you quite cheerfully |
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| 15:09.59 | _SlayerXP | Hailer: why don't you know? |
| 15:10.01 | pif | it only offers me the 4 disks separately, not the mdx devices |
| 15:10.08 | RoM | why isnt glftpd in any of the devian packages? |
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| 15:10.17 | Hailer | _SlayerXP, because you didn't tell me |
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| 15:10.39 | _SlayerXP | Hailer: imagine a universe in which I don't exist. how would you cope? |
| 15:10.53 | Hailer | _SlayerXP, I would also not exist |
| 15:10.56 | _SlayerXP | RoM: because no-one's got around to packaging it for debian? |
| 15:11.13 | _SlayerXP | Hailer: i hear ubuntu's good. |
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| 15:11.45 | Hailer | do I need only openssh package only or also ssh? |
| 15:12.06 | RoM | _SlayerXP: how come, its been around for ages and I hear its good stuff |
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| 15:12.13 | simonrvn | openssh-server and -client; install 'ssh' |
| 15:12.27 | simonrvn | !ftp must die |
| 15:12.28 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 15:12.32 | iceage2 | hi to all, someone can helpme?, i try to set a Intranet DNS Server that resolve external and internal DNS querys |
| 15:12.54 | simonrvn | iceage2: hint: bind9 views |
| 15:12.58 | _SlayerXP | RoM: if you want it in debian, consider becoming the package maintainers. |
| 15:13.10 | pif | _SlayerXP: my bad, after re-entering the partition manager I now see /dev/md1 |
| 15:13.14 | iceage2 | i try with bind9, but fails when resolve a lame server :/ |
| 15:14.17 | RoM | _SlayerXP: once I have the knowledge, I might |
| 15:14.26 | _SlayerXP | do I get some special award for foisting clueless people off onto ubuntu? :) |
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| 15:15.58 | RoM | man ubuntus just wrong |
| 15:16.14 | _SlayerXP | it has its palce |
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| 15:16.22 | _SlayerXP | i install it on desktops often enough |
| 15:16.32 | RoM | debian is the only one that works for me somehow |
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| 15:30.02 | schme | elbryan_: Ok. Trying make -j3 etc. Now what? :P |
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| 15:34.12 | elbryan_ | schme, uh? |
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| 15:34.34 | schme | elbryan_: 15:24 < elbryan_> but a "make -j3" compilation and md5 collision are heavy operations.. try with X closed :P |
| 15:34.46 | schme | But nevermind. I forgot what that was about anyway. |
| 15:35.04 | elbryan_ | it is not an equation .. and the scheduler is important too |
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| 15:35.18 | elbryan_ | schme, that was all about folks |
| 15:35.21 | elbryan_ | :P |
| 15:35.22 | schme | I have whatever debian likes me to have for the scheduler. |
| 15:35.29 | schme | On this machine anyway. |
| 15:35.53 | schme | Nice stuff. I remember now. |
| 15:36.06 | schme | What we need is an alternative RT-kernel. preempt kernel we can just ignore :) |
| 15:36.23 | yang | I am wondering which setting do i have to apply after alsaconf to store the settings ? |
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| 15:36.38 | elbryan_ | schme, you mean that linux lacks of realtime support? |
| 15:36.42 | cahoot | yang: you probably want alsa-utils |
| 15:37.13 | schme | elbryan_: I mean that it would be nice if debian had a kernel alternative with the RT-patch applied, yes. |
| 15:37.39 | elbryan_ | schme, without recompiling by hand the whole kernel? |
| 15:37.48 | schme | Exactly. |
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| 15:37.59 | elbryan_ | sorry but I'm not a debian user |
| 15:38.00 | yang | cahoot: i have those installed, however with every reboot i loose sound |
| 15:38.12 | schme | Hmm.. |
| 15:38.17 | elbryan_ | so I don't know what there is and isn't on the repository :P |
| 15:38.45 | elbryan_ | my point before has born because I've installed debian for a friend of mine.. |
| 15:38.47 | elbryan_ | :) |
| 15:38.47 | schme | There are a few different to pick from. in the x86-32 repo there 486, 686, 686-bigmem and some others I guess. |
| 15:38.55 | cahoot | yang: what happens if you run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset? |
| 15:38.59 | elbryan_ | I remember something, yea :) |
| 15:39.12 | schme | Adding a -preempt one.. I see no win. But an -rt one, big win! |
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| 15:39.25 | elbryan_ | I would like a preempt kernel with 1000 in timing |
| 15:39.34 | schme | elbryan_: Why? |
| 15:40.12 | yang | cahoot: then i magically get the sound |
| 15:40.16 | elbryan_ | schme, because a preemptive kernel is used a lot.. is a feature that's suggested |
| 15:40.22 | elbryan_ | is not a big deal, I know |
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| 15:40.39 | _SlayerXP | elbryan_: used a lot by whom? and suggested for what? |
| 15:40.40 | cahoot | yang: try update-rc.d add alsa-utils defaults |
| 15:40.42 | schme | elbryan_: I see no win for it for any of the 99% of uses for debian. |
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| 15:41.10 | yang | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/add: file does not exist |
| 15:41.12 | schme | and the 1% is better covered by a RT patched kernel, me thinks. |
| 15:41.16 | elbryan_ | points of view |
| 15:41.30 | elbryan_ | a RT kernel it's a lot more complicated .. |
| 15:41.37 | yang | alsa-utils add default ? |
| 15:41.37 | _SlayerXP | schme: I think you're way overestimating the number of debian users who need an RT kernel |
| 15:41.38 | schme | It's not complicated at all. |
| 15:41.42 | cahoot | yang: update-rc.d alsa-utils defaults |
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| 15:41.49 | schme | _SlayerXP: Yes, of course I am :) |
| 15:41.50 | elbryan_ | and the kernel itself doesn't provide a RT system :) |
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| 15:42.08 | schme | elbryan_: which is why one patches it. |
| 15:42.09 | yang | system startup links for /etc/init.d/alsa-utils already exist. |
| 15:42.20 | schme | _SlayerXP: But the three people doing audio work on debian would be happy ;) |
| 15:42.29 | cahoot | yang: strange it doesn't work then |
| 15:42.46 | elbryan_ | audio work and linux is quite a gamble |
| 15:42.57 | cahoot | garble? |
| 15:43.08 | schme | elbryan_: It is? I see people doing excellent stuff with it. |
| 15:43.14 | schme | you just need the RT ;) |
| 15:43.28 | schme | I see myself doing CRAP stuff with it, but it works just fine. :D |
| 15:43.28 | yang | cahoot: ok, thanks for that hint i will execute it after reboot, maybe it will be fixed in the next alsa release |
| 15:43.32 | elbryan_ | you need RT, you need jack, you need the right hardware |
| 15:43.57 | schme | elbryan_: Yes. and none of that is difficult. anyone can build a kernel, jack is just an aptitude install away. :) |
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| 15:44.46 | elbryan_ | schme, i'd prefer to build my own kernel for RT purposes |
| 15:44.47 | schme | But of course, stock kernel should be for the most people. So -rt seems a waste of repo space :) |
| 15:44.53 | schme | elbryan_: Why though? |
| 15:45.07 | elbryan_ | I don't have a debian mind :P |
| 15:45.13 | schme | Aha. |
| 15:45.22 | aoliveira | Aha! |
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| 15:45.36 | schme | I like a good solid base system that I don't have to build ;) |
| 15:45.51 | elbryan_ | oh me too |
| 15:46.02 | elbryan_ | but I've a challenge to win :P |
| 15:46.10 | schme | What challenge? |
| 15:46.20 | aoliveira | is listening to AHA - Cry Wolf [Audacious] |
| 15:46.21 | elbryan_ | a friend of mine installed debian on a p3 |
| 15:46.27 | aoliveira | is listening to AHA - Cry Wolf [Audacious] |
| 15:46.58 | schme | and you need to be able to push more weights at the gym than he? |
| 15:47.01 | schme | :) |
| 15:47.04 | elbryan_ | before he always used windows.. and he says that windows had "better performances" |
| 15:47.13 | schme | oh great. |
| 15:47.32 | elbryan_ | and I'm looking for reasons to that.. |
| 15:47.33 | schme | Though I must admit that when I switched from windows -> unix I also noticed a performance loss. |
| 15:47.36 | aoliveira | but it is real |
| 15:47.38 | schme | and how X gobbled up all the RAM! |
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| 15:47.48 | aoliveira | i ran winxp on intel p3 |
| 15:47.54 | schme | mmm |
| 15:47.56 | schme | I ran win3.11 |
| 15:48.04 | schme | It was super sweet. I hear they got worse :) |
| 15:48.04 | Polarina | lol |
| 15:48.10 | elbryan_ | i saw a windows xp on pentium 3.. is not bad at all |
| 15:48.13 | aoliveira | i cant run ubuntu so good with a p3 |
| 15:48.19 | elbryan_ | bloated :P |
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| 15:48.34 | aoliveira | windows xp supports a lot of things |
| 15:48.38 | schme | aoliveira: Just don't start up X and it should run just fine. |
| 15:48.46 | aoliveira | ubuntu to support the same thigns is 2x more heavily |
| 15:48.47 | aoliveira | imo |
| 15:48.55 | schme | Though I have been known to run X just fine on a 486/100Mhz with the 8MB RAM. |
| 15:49.04 | schme | so I dunno why you can't get shit working on a p3 :) |
| 15:49.05 | aoliveira | i know |
| 15:49.08 | mhymn | !ot |
| 15:49.08 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 15:49.15 | elbryan_ | yea .. X is a pain in the ass for performances but evolution teaches us that mouse and buttons are good :P |
| 15:49.20 | aoliveira | but a OS to do the same thing that win XP does? |
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| 15:49.42 | schme | aoliveira: Then you should not be using debian, or any other unix like system. |
| 15:49.58 | aoliveira | i read about fbui yesterday |
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| 15:50.06 | elbryan_ | fbui? |
| 15:50.07 | aoliveira | schme: the fac is the fact |
| 15:50.19 | strost0 | lets see we have a 100 processes running on a linux box |
| 15:50.26 | aoliveira | i like unix after all but microsoft does a good job |
| 15:50.26 | strost0 | would it use more ram if each one of those is on a system user |
| 15:50.32 | strost0 | not all of them on 1 |
| 15:51.00 | aoliveira | !fbui |
| 15:51.21 | schme | ech. |
| 15:51.24 | schme | RAM is cheap :) |
| 15:51.38 | elbryan_ | swap is cheaper |
| 15:51.40 | strost0 | not on a vps |
| 15:51.42 | schme | Now to free up space so I can have a whack at the new debian install. |
| 15:51.42 | elbryan_ | lol |
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| 15:52.01 | strost0 | swap isnt possible |
| 15:52.21 | aoliveira | i saw a ps3 running linux aswell |
| 15:52.31 | aoliveira | it's awesome fast |
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| 16:01.52 | W0rmF00d | this is god damn gay! did debian break awk's FIELDWIDTH? I want to return the 2nd field, and I won't god damn work, if I don't define 3 fields....it makes no fuckin' sense |
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| 16:02.36 | zxd | how do i make newly installed kernel to auto update grub boot entries? |
| 16:02.39 | abrotman | !tell W0rmF00d about gay |
| 16:02.41 | stew | W0rmF00d: please don't use the word "gay" as a derrogatory adjective in here, its offensive to some people |
| 16:02.53 | schme | zxd: It should do that automatically. |
| 16:03.02 | zxd | schme, it isn't doing it |
| 16:03.21 | schme | zxd: That's odd. How are you installing it? |
| 16:03.25 | W0rmF00d | you do not have the right to not be offended! |
| 16:03.33 | zxd | schme, with aptitude |
| 16:03.37 | SQlvpapir | check the config, you should be able to check if its set as default |
| 16:03.43 | schme | zxd: Hmm.. it should then. |
| 16:04.01 | bolt | as the streets are paved with gold sure everyone was gaaay :D |
| 16:04.02 | bolt | sings |
| 16:04.06 | zxd | schme, it dosen't |
| 16:04.10 | W0rmF00d | it is offensive to me that you try to censor free speech....you're all for free software, but against free speech? |
| 16:04.27 | stew | W0rmF00d: please drop it and stop using that adjective |
| 16:04.40 | enyawix | any way to tell the package manager that you installed something by hand |
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| 16:05.00 | schme | enyawix: Make a package of what you install. |
| 16:05.11 | bolt | W0rmF00d: free speech is about the message in the words, not which words to use |
| 16:05.23 | W0rmF00d | please stop telling me a bunch of fudge packers are offended at anything I say...YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED! I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE! |
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| 16:05.33 | enyawix | stew is two men kissing derogatory and or offensive to you? |
| 16:05.34 | W0rmF00d | heh |
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| 16:06.10 | abrotman | W0rmF00d: we've had this discussion before, please don't use that term in that way |
| 16:06.17 | stew | W0rmF00d: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please keep it on-topic in the future, and try not to intentionally offend people |
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| 16:06.25 | stew | enyawix: please keep it on-topic |
| 16:06.26 | |X| | Hi, I'm having a problem installing Debian on my MacBook. |
| 16:06.29 | enyawix | schme make a package? |
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| 16:06.40 | |X| | It goes fine up until it wants to install a package manager |
| 16:06.49 | bolt | |X|: one line, please :) |
| 16:06.49 | schme | enyawix: I understood it as you did a ./configure && make install ? |
| 16:07.04 | schme | enyawix: (and you want debian to know about all the stuff that went everywhere) |
| 16:07.16 | |X| | Then, when I select a location, it always fails. It always says the connection can't be made, or there is not a valid RELEASE file |
| 16:07.36 | enyawix | schme yes all multi media programs |
| 16:08.07 | schme | enyawix: Right. instead of the ./configure && make install, you create a debian package of it and dpkg -i that. |
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| 16:08.43 | |X| | Does this happen to anyone else? |
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| 16:09.04 | enyawix | schme why if only i will use the package i am not a developer |
| 16:09.19 | schme | enyawix: Well it is the only for debian to be able to know what you installed. |
| 16:09.59 | enyawix | schme any want to creat a empty package? |
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| 16:10.45 | SQlvpapir | checkinstall is the key.. |
| 16:10.50 | schme | enyawix: No. But if you make a package of whatever you just installed, and install that package.. well what you have will be overwritten, and it will all be ok. |
| 16:12.46 | enyawix | schme thanks |
| 16:13.48 | feitingen | seeing that debian on freerunner is now official, can i come here for support? |
| 16:14.02 | schme | googles freerunner. |
| 16:14.21 | schme | It's a phone :D |
| 16:14.32 | feitingen | yep :D |
| 16:14.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | enyawix, the other possible thing for having things *outside* debian (e.g. in /usr/local) is "stow"... but I've not used that yet |
| 16:15.05 | schme | pkgsrc is a good one too. But it will also be not debian :) |
| 16:15.22 | schme | feitingen: I guess. if debian supports it. It might be tricky to get some actual help though :) |
| 16:15.31 | schme | feitingen: But don't take my word for it. |
| 16:16.09 | feitingen | thanks, the problem i am having is with python-cairo, the package seems to be broken in unstable |
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| 16:16.30 | schme | feitingen: Oh! But if you're on sid you can *not* come here for help ;) |
| 16:16.44 | feitingen | oh, sorry then :) |
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| 16:17.02 | schme | feitingen: We people on sid know how to fix the problems without asking ;) |
| 16:17.13 | stew | feitingen: have you checked the bts? |
| 16:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, do we? :-P |
| 16:17.28 | stew | feitingen: or can you be more specific about what makes you think it is broken? |
| 16:17.29 | schme | feitingen: python-cairo works well for me though, maybe it is just an ARM issue. |
| 16:17.37 | schme | CutMeOwnThroat: So I hear (: |
| 16:17.50 | iceage2 | someone runs a RIS Server for install linux, solaris and windows on desktop clients over ethernet |
| 16:17.52 | iceage2 | ? |
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| 16:18.10 | chester_m | Hi, i installed Debian Lenny by Netinstall. |
| 16:18.19 | schme | chester_m: Congrats! |
| 16:18.20 | chester_m | Everything it's working fine |
| 16:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, come to think of it, I was on testing 6 years back when I didn't really know how to fix it (well, I did fix it in the end, but took me longer than it should have, I guess) |
| 16:18.37 | bolt | chester_m: good! |
| 16:18.45 | chester_m | but i'm having problems with apt |
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| 16:19.03 | chester_m | I tried a lot of mirrors and they don't work. |
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| 16:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 16:19.22 | schme | CutMeOwnThroat: It seems to me that unstable does not even break much nowadays, so it is not so much a time waste as it used to :) |
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| 16:19.51 | schme | chester_m: What is your sources.list, and what are you doing? :) |
| 16:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, yeah, I got more and more towards running stable and letting it sit... |
| 16:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | chester_m, and what's the error message you get |
| 16:20.20 | scifi | hi, can anyone help me sort my sound out, I had it originally, but i seem to have lost it now...... |
| 16:20.24 | chester_m | Internet is working on pidgin, icedove, iceweasel...when i do apt-get update it stays in 0% (connecting) for some time and after cancel. |
| 16:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !smart questions |
| 16:20.31 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 16:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know... :) |
| 16:20.48 | schme | CutMeOwnThroat: Makes a whole lot of sense to just stick with stable now that we're supposedly not going to wait yaars and yaars for a new release :) |
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| 16:21.15 | chester_m | It worked one or two times, randomly |
| 16:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, no! now I've went to lenny, seeing that it'll be frozen for the next 100 years |
| 16:21.23 | chester_m | it's really weird |
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| 16:21.25 | schme | heh |
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| 16:21.33 | schme | chester_m: What is your sources.list ? |
| 16:21.41 | chester_m | sometimes hit some mirrors and give different error. |
| 16:21.51 | jimpy | hi has anyone got debian running stabily on eee pc yet? |
| 16:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like you're using ftp and your firewall blocks half of it |
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| 16:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, nobody for sure... |
| 16:22.35 | chester_m | http://pastebin.com/m12420517 there is my sources.list |
| 16:22.46 | scifi | hi, can anyone help me sort my sound out, I had it originally, but i seem to have lost it now...... |
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| 16:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | the smart questions factoid was ALSO for you! |
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| 16:23.27 | xlotlu | is there some backup software that can track file moves? |
| 16:23.45 | xlotlu | s/backup/file replication/ or something.. |
| 16:24.10 | chester_m | could someone help me please? |
| 16:24.17 | schme | chester_m: Hmm.. maybe try deb ftp://ftp.port80.se/debian/ unstable non-free contrib main |
| 16:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | chester_m, that debian-multimedia mirror is kind of weird... which one is hanging? |
| 16:24.20 | schme | eeh |
| 16:24.26 | schme | chester_m: but not with the unstable |
| 16:24.42 | schme | ooh. |
| 16:24.46 | schme | kick the multimedia on too for sure :) |
| 16:24.48 | chester_m | CutMeOwnThroat, it worked before |
| 16:25.50 | xlotlu | jimpy: my debian is as stable as possible given the usage of kde 4.2 beta. and you can check out irc.debian.org --> #debian-eeepc |
| 16:25.54 | chester_m | scheme, it works |
| 16:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | tab completion is totally underrated by some |
| 16:27.08 | chester_m | what's the difference for others that i tried (debian official list) |
| 16:27.09 | xlotlu | tab completion is totally unknown to way too many people |
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| 16:27.59 | feitingen | sorry, i had to run, i am back now :) |
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| 16:28.19 | bolt | sometimes, when I disconnect from x11vnc, key repeating doesn't get reenabled, so when I hold down a key, I only get one letter. how can I re-enable it? is there some simple command which enables and disables it in X? |
| 16:28.33 | mcr | xset |
| 16:28.35 | schme | chester_m: Ya ok, just don't have unstable there ;) |
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| 16:28.52 | scifi | im running etch and my sound isnt working, pls help |
| 16:28.55 | chester_m | yes, i know ;) i put testing |
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| 16:29.17 | mcr | been updating etch's to lenny/testing this week, and most go fine, but on one system I get: "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf" |
| 16:29.18 | feitingen | schme: schme i will fire up the phone now, a few minutes.. |
| 16:29.23 | schme | feitingen: Cool! |
| 16:29.33 | schme | feitingen: Do these phones actually work for calling people? |
| 16:29.34 | Arawn | i've got a small question, i think, how do i auto run a program at boot? i wan't to use this command: 'screen sabnzbd' as a user, when it boots |
| 16:29.35 | mcr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=353290 is similar, with somewhat recent comments.... |
| 16:29.45 | bolt | mcr: ah. fixed it. thanks :) |
| 16:30.24 | feitingen | schme: yeah, on most of the distros you can call people and it works really well, but on some of the more unstable ones, there is some problems answering calls |
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| 16:30.38 | scifi | anyone? |
| 16:30.44 | bvk | Arawn: edit /etc/rc.local, add a line su -c 'screen sabnzbd' username |
| 16:30.52 | schme | feitingen: Weird.. does one not need like an account with some cell phone operator or something? |
| 16:30.56 | Arawn | with ' ' or without? |
| 16:31.01 | Arawn | (i'm guessing withouth) |
| 16:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, the smart questions factoid was also for you... "I've had a lot of mony and now it's gone, pls help" |
| 16:31.21 | bvk | Arawn: no, with quotes |
| 16:31.23 | feitingen | schme: just pop a sim card in it ;) |
| 16:31.24 | chester_m | another question. I'm trying to compile a module, but when i try to do make it gives me that error message |
| 16:31.25 | chester_m | http://pastebin.com/m8d9870f |
| 16:31.36 | schme | feitingen: That's friggen cool. |
| 16:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, tell us the sound card, (/msg dpkg what's my hardware ), are you using alsa or oss, if alsa, did you make sure everything is unmuted (alsamixer m to mute/unumte) |
| 16:32.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, what did you already do to find out what's wrong... etc. etc. |
| 16:32.48 | Arawn | ok i've done that, can i test if it works? |
| 16:32.53 | Arawn | as in, witouth a reboot |
| 16:33.08 | feitingen | they are not so expensive, the only problem seems to be the "immature" software, but it can be tweaked |
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| 16:33.27 | bvk | Arawn: um...without reboot? i am not sure :( |
| 16:33.35 | Arawn | ok then i'm going for a reboot :) |
| 16:33.43 | Arawn | thanks i will be back to tell the result |
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| 16:33.45 | Arawn | bbiab |
| 16:33.47 | bvk | wait |
| 16:34.06 | chester_m | anyone? |
| 16:34.25 | bvk | Arawn: make sure it is added before any exit statement :) |
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| 16:34.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | chester_m, did you start out using module assistant and this is an effort to debug the problem? |
| 16:35.06 | schme | chester_m: You need kernel headers. |
| 16:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, he probably really needs to do it the right way :) |
| 16:35.40 | bluethundr | I am having difficulty installing subversion into debian lenny.. not finding the server for the repositories... can someone recommend deb servers to use in my apt-sources so that I may install subversion? |
| 16:35.53 | schme | See I'm not happy about linux gaining popularity at all. Also I think one should have to be forced to use it for atleast 5 years before asking any questions. |
| 16:36.01 | schme | So thumbs up for me being all good. |
| 16:36.22 | schme | CutMeOwnThroat: The right way? |
| 16:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | chester_m, /msg dpkg m-a |
| 16:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, yeah.. using module-assistant... which automatically should take care of build dependencies |
| 16:36.55 | feitingen | schme: i have been struggling with my problem for a few weeks before i asked *ashamed* |
| 16:37.09 | schme | CutMeOwnThroat: Well of course. I imagine that broke :) |
| 16:37.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | feitingen, that's as it should be! ;) |
| 16:37.17 | schme | feitingen: Bah! come back in 2013! |
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| 16:37.41 | scifi | CutMeOwnThroat: my audio device is an Intel 82801G Hi-def audio controller, i have tried both alsa and oss and checked all volume controls are unmuted and at maximum. however i get no sound when playing mp3 files on my harddrive or with flash based web-based audio |
| 16:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | schme, his pastebin doesn't show any use of m-a ... anyways, he doesn't answer -> problem solved |
| 16:37.45 | Arawn | hmm that didn't work |
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| 16:38.19 | schme | CutMeOwnThroat: Ya I agree. :) |
| 16:38.27 | bluethundr | any advice for someone installing trillr under lenny? |
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| 16:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, do you know which kernel module that needs for alsa? |
| 16:38.41 | Arawn | su -c 'screen sabnzbd' robert |
| 16:38.41 | Arawn | exit 0 |
| 16:38.58 | Arawn | that is everything that is in the files, and not quoted |
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| 16:39.40 | scifi | CutMeOwnThroat: i wouldnt know what to look for |
| 16:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, look in dmesg and /var/log/messages for 82801G and see if/what module was loaded and if there were any errors (also google can normally tell which module ) - you can check if the module is loaded with lsmod |
| 16:40.32 | bvk | Arawn: did you try screen -ls |
| 16:40.50 | Arawn | no |
| 16:40.57 | Arawn | i always use screen (program name) |
| 16:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, looks like it's snd-hda-intel |
| 16:41.28 | bvk | Arawn: what do u mean by it didn't work? |
| 16:41.28 | feitingen | schme: the phone also causes grief when trying to tweak it.. |
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| 16:41.38 | Arawn | well the program did not start |
| 16:41.41 | schme | feitingen: Eeeexcellent! a hackers dream ;) |
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| 16:41.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, as in http://www.google.com/search?q=+Intel+82801G++alsa |
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| 16:42.09 | Arawn | i'll try the -ls one |
| 16:42.24 | bvk | Arawn: screen will run in the background; what is 'screen -ls' output in your terminal now? |
| 16:42.42 | feitingen | schme: thats why i love it! |
| 16:42.51 | Arawn | well i have to edit the file and reboot then, one moment |
| 16:43.04 | schme | feitingen: I think i need to t |
| 16:43.04 | bvk | Arawn: no, don't reboot |
| 16:43.07 | schme | ooh |
| 16:43.07 | Arawn | oh |
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| 16:43.21 | schme | feitingen: need to talk to the wife here and explain to her that I need to buy a new cellphone (: |
| 16:43.24 | bvk | Arawn: run the command and tell me the output |
| 16:43.26 | Arawn | No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-root. |
| 16:43.31 | Arawn | that's the output |
| 16:43.53 | scifi | CutMeOwnThroat: i cant access those log files because i cant seem to get su access working, i'll have a look for that module tho |
| 16:44.02 | bvk | Arawn: did you run this command (screen -ls) as robert too? |
| 16:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | scifi, you mean you cant become root? |
| 16:44.30 | Arawn | yes, same output |
| 16:44.38 | bvk | Arawn: :( |
| 16:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oki, ladders |
| 16:44.48 | Arawn | but screen sabnzbd does work |
| 16:44.55 | Arawn | i start most of my programs like that |
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| 16:45.05 | Arawn | well i actually only use two on this machine anyway, and that is irssi and sabnzbd |
| 16:45.25 | feitingen | schme: good luck :) |
| 16:45.42 | bvk | Arawn: but commands listed in /etc/rc.local file should be executed after boot :( |
| 16:45.51 | Arawn | hmm |
| 16:46.01 | bluethundr | I am attempting to install django but getting this error: |
| 16:46.02 | bluethundr | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-django/python-django_1.0-1_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 16:46.22 | schme | update ? |
| 16:46.45 | scifi | CutMeOwnThroat: that module seems to be listed in lsmod |
| 16:46.47 | Arawn | hmm then i guess i have to do it manually |
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| 16:47.20 | schme | bluethundr: The reason is that it's 1.0.2-1 now ;) |
| 16:47.36 | bluethundr | ah! sweet! thanks! |
| 16:47.49 | cahoot | scifi: if it's a hda-intel thingie the default etch kernel might provide a too old alsaversion |
| 16:48.05 | schme | bluethundr: ya.. aptitude update && aptitude install python-django && stop coding python it is horrible |
| 16:48.08 | schme | bluethundr: ;) |
| 16:48.42 | bluethundr | heh.. that's cool. I have not much interest in python-django, but I am attempting to get trillr to work which requires it |
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| 16:49.15 | scifi | cahoot: shall i look for an update in synaptic? |
| 16:49.22 | bluethundr | so issuing sudo aptitude install python-django shouldn't work? is there any way for me to specify the new version so that it is properly fetched? |
| 16:49.34 | schme | bluethundr: an update should fix it. |
| 16:50.01 | bluethundr | ah, okay. thanks. so you mean issuing aptitude install update should fix this, correct? |
| 16:50.14 | schme | bluethundr: The issue seems to be that your apt database says there is a 1.0-1 at that there place, and there isn't. So ya, "sudo aptitude update" should fix it. |
| 16:50.41 | bluethundr | great.. much thanks |
| 16:50.42 | bolt | is there a way to reorder the kernels in grub? |
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| 16:50.52 | cahoot | vim |
| 16:50.57 | schme | (: |
| 16:51.17 | scifi | cahoot: i appear to have latest alsa drivers installed |
| 16:51.34 | cahoot | scifi: cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 16:52.04 | cahoot | scifi: and uname -r too |
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| 16:53.49 | scifi | cahoot: alsa version 1.0.15 debian 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
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| 16:54.07 | bolt | is there a way to remove a kernel from grub without uninstalling it completely? |
| 16:54.13 | cahoot | scifi: right seems rather new |
| 16:54.25 | dios_mio | I dont have sound in my X.. can someone help? |
| 16:54.36 | bluethundr | I believe I was able to install subversion through aptitude.. yet when I try to issue the 'svn' command I get a complaint that the command isn't tehre |
| 16:54.44 | cahoot | scifi: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 in a terminal - error? |
| 16:54.51 | Crowler | does aptitude have local cache for debs? |
| 16:56.03 | Crowler | bolt edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:56.45 | scifi | cahoot: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy |
| 16:56.53 | scifi | cahoot: thats error |
| 16:56.56 | dios_mio | I have sound in X if I run X as root, but no sound if I run it as a user |
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| 16:57.12 | cahoot | scifi: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - any output? |
| 16:57.34 | cahoot | dios_mio: add user to audio group, logout/in |
| 16:57.35 | feitingen | Crowler: yes, /var/cache/apt/archives/, to clear it run apt-get clean |
| 16:57.43 | dios_mio | cahoot, thanks |
| 16:57.48 | Crowler | tnx, feitingen |
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| 16:57.55 | feitingen | np :) |
| 16:58.25 | savid | Is it possible to install the full-featured vim without having gnome as a dependency? |
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| 16:59.02 | schme | savid: How do you mean full featured? |
| 16:59.25 | valdyn | savid: just install vim-* packages, just not -full or -gnome or -gtk |
| 16:59.25 | schme | savid: aptitude install vim full featured, no gnome ? |
| 16:59.38 | savid | schme, like with syntax hilighting support, etc.. |
| 16:59.48 | schme | savid: Yup. That's there. |
| 16:59.49 | craigevil | vim Depends: vim-common (= 2:7.2.049-2), vim-runtime (= 2:7.2.049-2), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59) |
| 16:59.50 | ice799 | Hi -- I think my NFS server exploded for a few minute last night, but I'm not sure. Does anyone know where the nfs-kernel-server keeps its logs for debian etch ? |
| 17:00.17 | schme | savid: echo "syntax on" >>~/.vimrc |
| 17:00.18 | scifi | cahoot: /dev/snd/controlC0: ......mixer_applet2 /dev/dsp: ......esd |
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| 17:00.42 | savid | schme, says "not supported in this version". |
| 17:00.43 | cahoot | scifi: esd is probablt the root of your problems - |
| 17:00.49 | savid | oh I must have vim-tiny installed |
| 17:00.53 | schme | :D |
| 17:01.03 | valdyn | savid: there isnt metapackage for every subest of vim-* packages you might want, that doesnt mean you cant install your own combination |
| 17:01.12 | cahoot | scifi: using gnome? |
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| 17:01.31 | scifi | cahoot: at the moment yes, but i have same problem in xfce |
| 17:01.33 | cahoot | scifi: disable sound server in gnome |
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| 17:01.48 | cahoot | scifi: you don't want esd |
| 17:01.49 | scifi | cahoot: how i do that? |
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| 17:02.14 | cahoot | scifi: in a menu near you |
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| 17:02.41 | cahoot | scifi: system... (IIRC) |
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| 17:03.13 | cahoot | scifi: system-prefs-sound |
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| 17:04.24 | scifi | cahoot: oh yes i enabled that to see if it wud help |
| 17:04.50 | cahoot | scifi: disable it, kill it and run speaker-test again |
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| 17:05.20 | scifi | cahoot: disabled, running speaker test now |
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| 17:05.45 | cahoot | scifi: might need to kill the running instance |
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| 17:08.16 | scifi | cahoot: that speaker test just keeps scrolling the lines - Time per period 3.000014.... 0 - Front Left 1 - Front Right |
| 17:08.43 | cahoot | scifi: that means alsa thinks all is as should be |
| 17:09.14 | scifi | and yet still no sound :( |
| 17:09.31 | cahoot | scifi: the only idea left is the card might still be muted |
| 17:09.36 | schme | Did you plug the speakers in? |
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| 17:10.11 | cahoot | scifi: try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 17:10.17 | scifi | cahoot: is there a terminal command that cud check this? |
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| 17:10.20 | scifi | ok |
| 17:11.02 | cahoot | (might be a lenny'ism thoug) |
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| 17:11.23 | scifi | yeh says command not found |
| 17:11.34 | cahoot | scifi: run alsamixer |
| 17:12.11 | dios_mio | cahoot, ,maybe he should disable the onboard sound card from BIOS.. |
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| 17:12.49 | cahoot | since it's a hda-intel I suspect it *is* on board |
| 17:13.05 | dios_mio | hmm |
| 17:13.10 | multi_io | I ran pingus, now my screen resolution is permanently down to 800x600 :-( |
| 17:13.34 | enouf | cat /proc/asound/cards - he might need a newer alsa (ala Lenny) |
| 17:13.51 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.55 | multi_io | xrandr --fb 1680x1050 doesn't change anything |
| 17:13.55 | scifi | cahoot: yeh defo unmuted and at max |
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| 17:14.36 | cahoot | scifi: what exotic card is this? cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 17:15.39 | scifi | cahoot: just saY |
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| 17:15.59 | scifi | cahoot: just says HDA-Intel |
| 17:16.11 | enouf | from backports? |
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| 17:16.34 | enouf | judd: versions alsa-base |
| 17:16.36 | judd | enouf: alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg-1 |
| 17:17.17 | cahoot | scifi: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 | head -1 |
| 17:17.24 | scifi | cahoot: shud the playback device be set to PCM or pc speaker?? |
| 17:17.36 | cahoot | pcm |
| 17:17.44 | scifi | ooops ^^ |
| 17:17.55 | dios_mio | why cant I see the contents of my usb harddisk? |
| 17:18.23 | enouf | you made an ISO of hidden dirs/files? :-p |
| 17:18.32 | cahoot | empty? |
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| 17:18.43 | avu | not connected to your computer? |
| 17:18.49 | dios_mio | if I run X as root I can see its contents, but not when I run X as user |
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| 17:18.50 | avu | your eyes are closed? |
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| 17:19.12 | dios_mio | says "not enough permissions" |
| 17:19.31 | avu | dios_mio, well then probably you are missing the right permissions :) |
| 17:19.39 | avu | dios_mio, is your user in the 'plugdev' group? |
| 17:19.45 | dios_mio | not sure |
| 17:20.25 | scifi | cahoot: changed it to pcm but still no sound, output from that cmd is - Analog Devices AD1986A |
| 17:20.28 | dios_mio | I added my user to that group but still I cant see content |
| 17:20.45 | avu | dios_mio, have you logged of and on after you added your user to the group? |
| 17:20.52 | dios_mio | it is mounted dr-x------ |
| 17:20.58 | dios_mio | avu no |
| 17:20.59 | dios_mio | let me try |
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| 17:21.46 | dios_mio | avu no work |
| 17:22.10 | avu | dios_mio, well, no further idea then without an at least halfway decent description of the problem.. |
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| 17:22.22 | cahoot | scifi: might actually be you need at least alsa 1.0.16 |
| 17:22.48 | dios_mio | this is my fstab line: /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:23.10 | avu | dios_mio, and how do you mount this? |
| 17:23.13 | dios_mio | and this is the mounted dir: dr-x------ 1 root root 12288 2008-12-27 11:51 usb0 |
| 17:23.22 | dios_mio | avu, Gnome automatically mounted it |
| 17:23.34 | enouf | eww |
| 17:23.38 | avu | dios_mio, well, only root is allowed to read and change into that directory :) |
| 17:23.39 | enouf | !automount |
| 17:23.39 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 17:24.00 | enouf | !pmount |
| 17:24.00 | dpkg | methinks pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 17:24.04 | avu | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 17:24.05 | dpkg | gnome-volume-manager is probably a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works |
| 17:24.05 | scifi | cahoot: can that be installed on this kernel? |
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| 17:25.06 | cahoot | scifi: I use lenny/testing since long - so have no recent knowledge wrt etch |
| 17:25.45 | enouf | scifi: is that a laptop? desktop? if either, consider upgrading to lenny entirely (is my quick suggestion) |
| 17:26.02 | enouf | scifi: lenny uses 2.6.26 |
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| 17:26.36 | dios_mio | didnt work |
| 17:26.41 | enouf | scifi: there's an etch-backports kernel that's .26 as well .. but i suspect alsa-{base,*} issues |
| 17:26.48 | debCarlos | Hello there, i have a problem installing debian, the installer doesn't my MCP67 nvidia ethernet interface, in fact, it doesn't reckon any of my MCP67 hardware (Usb and others) |
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| 17:27.14 | enouf | debCarlos: wghich exact ISo are you using? |
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| 17:27.31 | scifi | enouf, its a lappy, unfortunately it wont read burnt discs and it wont boot from usb so i had to use quite an unusual method to install debian, can i upgrade to lenny from within etchy?? |
| 17:27.35 | debCarlos | debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 17:27.59 | enouf | scifi: yes - /msg dpkg etch->lenny .. and see /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
| 17:28.39 | enouf | debCarlos: try the lenny beta installer (i believe the etchnhalf one uses it) |
| 17:28.46 | enouf | !etchnhalf |
| 17:28.46 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 17:29.12 | debCarlos | enouf: have lenny been updated since november ? |
| 17:29.15 | scifi | enouf: ok i'll try it in a bit, ty |
| 17:29.19 | enouf | debCarlos: or, you could just try Lenny |
| 17:29.21 | anabain | how can I install a ttf manually? I've been googling but I found nothing useful |
| 17:29.22 | scifi | cahoot: thx for all ur help |
| 17:29.39 | debCarlos | i mean, like etch r6 ? |
| 17:29.44 | abrotman | debCarlos: there have been packages updated in lenny since november |
| 17:29.51 | enouf | debCarlos: Lenny is still "testing" and is frozen and has been .. and will be until it releases as Stable - when it's ready |
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| 17:29.55 | abrotman | (not as many as months prior, but still) |
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| 17:30.11 | debCarlos | oh.. |
| 17:30.19 | dios_mio | I installed the gnome-volume-manager and pmount and added my user to plugdev, but still I cant access my usb drive |
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| 17:30.41 | enouf | anabain: which DE? gnome? kde? |
| 17:30.53 | debCarlos | It's a real problem, because last time i tried lenny it had problems with acpi apic and the pnpbios :S |
| 17:30.54 | anabain | kde |
| 17:31.00 | enouf | dios_mio: which FStype is it? |
| 17:31.06 | dios_mio | enouf, , NTFS |
| 17:31.08 | enouf | anabain: go into kcontrol and do it |
| 17:31.08 | anabain | enouf, but I thought it was unrelevant |
| 17:31.12 | anabain | ok |
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| 17:31.19 | enouf | dios_mio: might want ntfs-3g and fuse |
| 17:31.41 | enouf | anabain: see System Administration area? IIRC |
| 17:31.52 | debCarlos | and what do you say about etch'nhalf, have his kernel been updated since november ? |
| 17:31.57 | eagle1 | sorry people, after i've apt-getted kernel-patch-grsecurity2 what i need to do to set it up? |
| 17:31.57 | enouf | anabain: hit the admin mode; give root passwd if needed |
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| 17:32.28 | anabain | ok |
| 17:32.31 | enouf | eagle1: see the kernel README about how to patch |
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| 17:33.03 | dios_mio | enouf, so it is normal for users being unable to access NTFS removable media? |
| 17:33.10 | dios_mio | enouf, ... without ntfs-3g? |
| 17:33.10 | enouf | anabain: yeah; System Admin -> Font Installer |
| 17:33.17 | eagle1 | enouf, i mean, i need to patch the kernel by myself right? |
| 17:33.21 | enouf | dios_mio: no, for ro no |
| 17:33.22 | zxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.26 | zxd | does it work ? |
| 17:33.30 | enouf | eagle1: prolly |
| 17:33.33 | eagle1 | k |
| 17:34.22 | enouf | eagle1: using lenny? |
| 17:34.33 | dios_mio | enouf, I remounted it "ro" but still no access |
| 17:34.44 | debCarlos | enouf: The kernel included in etch'nhalf is the same included in normal etch ? |
| 17:34.55 | enouf | dios_mio: no access? post exact messages |
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| 17:35.42 | dios_mio | enouf, says I dont have the required permissions.. it is mounted dr-x------- |
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| 17:35.50 | enouf | debCarlos: etch* has 3 versions avail - Etch 4.0r6 uses .18-6, Etchnhalf uses .24, Etch-backports uses .26 |
| 17:35.56 | sameer | hey guys, i'm having issues accessing my camera. anyone have experience with error msgs like: "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'camera'"? |
| 17:36.13 | debCarlos | ok, thanks very much enouf |
| 17:36.17 | enouf | dios_mio: i would chown on /media/usb0 |
| 17:36.32 | debCarlos | maybe they already have solved my prob with acpi apic |
| 17:36.42 | dios_mio | enouf, yes but that would be a temporary fix, I have to do that after every reboot, no? |
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| 17:37.03 | eagle1 | enouf, etch |
| 17:37.06 | enouf | dios_mio: to username:usergroup .. that's what i do with vfat - you might need correct umask/dmask/fmask entries in options for mount |
| 17:37.13 | enouf | no |
| 17:37.18 | enouf | eagle1: ahh ok |
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| 17:37.36 | bolt | i compiled a new kernel and upgraded iptables... which one caused this, and what can I do to fix this? "iptables v1.4.1.1: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" |
| 17:37.37 | enouf | eagle1: i see in lenny "This is a transitional package to linux-patch-grsecurity2 ." |
| 17:38.04 | eagle1 | thanks anyway ;) |
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| 17:38.11 | wedelergammler_ | Hi leute |
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| 17:38.22 | wedelergammler_ | ??? |
| 17:38.40 | debCarlos | How much should i give to / partition ? about 20GB ? |
| 17:38.49 | dios_mio | enouf, how about adding the bit "mode=0755" in /etc/fstab line? |
| 17:39.18 | enouf | debCarlos: depends - that's plenty fine though .. might want to setup a separate /, /home, /swap .. or just keep all on one |
| 17:39.29 | enouf | well, besides swap |
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| 17:39.44 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 17:39.51 | wedelergammler_ | hi |
| 17:39.55 | debCarlos | yep, i have a diferent swap and /home parts :) |
| 17:40.00 | enouf | dios_mio: /msg dpkg ntfsro , /msg dpkg ntfsrw |
| 17:40.04 | wedelergammler_ | hast du eine bande |
| 17:40.12 | wedelergammler_ | wen nein komm bitte in meiner bitte |
| 17:40.12 | debCarlos | i have learned it's better that way |
| 17:40.13 | wedelergammler_ | ja? |
| 17:40.18 | enouf | dios_mio: i never used ntfs, but have seen many that choose to suffer ;-) |
| 17:40.35 | dios_mio | heh |
| 17:41.01 | enouf | dios_mio: not really - vfat/ntfs have no concept of nix permissions anyway |
| 17:41.11 | dios_mio | ok |
| 17:41.33 | enouf | besides, i own everything that's mine ;-) |
| 17:41.46 | enouf | +/like to/ |
| 17:43.06 | enouf | dios_mio: with my method though, you'll need that /etc/fstab entry, otherwise your /mnt/point-device-name could randomly be altered depending on how/which USB devices are hotplugged and when - unless you setup a udev rule to compensate |
| 17:43.07 | dios_mio | what is the package name for ntfs-3g? apt-get cant find it as that |
| 17:43.23 | enouf | !ntfs-3g |
| 17:43.23 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 17:43.26 | zinx | ntfs-3g |
| 17:43.43 | metalfan_ | ive tried to use this patchset: ftp://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/simulavr/simulavr_0.1.2.2-6.1.diff.gz to compile simulavr on archlinux, its not finding <inttypes.h> - is there a site where i can search for this file in debian packages? |
| 17:43.46 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 17:43.48 | dios_mio | I get--> E: Package ntfs-3g has no installation candidate |
| 17:43.49 | enouf | !user accessible ntfs |
| 17:43.50 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field |
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| 17:44.19 | deadcat_ | all i am trying to do is access my rackable systems lcd panel via serial. i think i have the settings right but it just wont let me.. and theres no error or anthing to debug. what a brotha got to do? damn |
| 17:44.25 | zinx | dios_mio: it's available in etch-backports, lenny, and sid |
| 17:44.26 | enouf | see all the {u,d,fmask} hoops you need to use :-P |
| 17:45.02 | zinx | dios_mio: if you're running etch, you will need to use etch-backports |
| 17:45.13 | dios_mio | zined, , I have it in my sources.list |
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| 17:45.49 | craigevil | you have to tell apt/aptitude explicitly to install from backports |
| 17:46.00 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.07 | enouf | is mine for vfat dios_mio |
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| 17:46.22 | enouf | and /mnt/p1 is owned by my username |
| 17:46.34 | dios_mio | nice enouf |
| 17:46.56 | dios_mio | well I will just run X as root, easier solution |
| 17:47.01 | enouf | haha |
| 17:47.05 | dios_mio | :P |
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| 17:47.23 | enouf | !window-admin-mode-smite dios_mio |
| 17:47.48 | enouf | dios_mio: you really do not want to do that ... |
| 17:48.03 | dios_mio | its ok, it is a home pc |
| 17:48.12 | zinx | no it isn't |
| 17:48.19 | zinx | you have network access |
| 17:48.21 | enouf | on a LAN? with Internet? |
| 17:48.24 | deadcat_ | anyone own a "rackable systems" machine? i am trying to access the lcd panel via serial but it just wont let me.. i am out of idea |
| 17:48.29 | dios_mio | yes |
| 17:48.41 | enouf | deadcat_: know C programming? :-p |
| 17:48.49 | deadcat_ | enouf: nope (= |
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| 17:49.29 | enouf | deadcat_: see tldp.org serial-{terminal,programming,io} tuts or whatever |
| 17:49.44 | peleg | Is it possible to define a new symbol like ~ to be expanded in shell to /var/www for example? e.g. `/domain.org or \omega/domain.org etc. |
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| 17:50.09 | deadcat_ | enouf: i cant just set the setting and it works? shit i am gonna go office space on this server |
| 17:50.19 | SolarWar | hi, I just extracted a folder from a tar.bz2 archive, however I cannot access the extracted directory (not even as root) nor can I delete it- nor can i do an lsattr on it- anyone have any idea wth is going on? :) |
| 17:51.02 | enouf | deadcat_: likely easy, i just can't tell you how offhand |
| 17:51.22 | debCarlos | thanks for all, see you later :) |
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| 17:51.43 | dustybin | https://myBOX.net works http://myBOX.net works however, http://gallery.myBOX.net doesnt work? here is my configuration: http://paste.debian.net/24679/ |
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| 17:55.09 | \amethyst | dustybin: you probably need <VirtualHost gallery.myBOX.net:80> for the last vhost |
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| 17:55.41 | dustybin | \amethyst: aye thanks ill test :) |
| 17:56.04 | \amethyst | dustybin: you probably also want NameVirtualHost * (instead of *:443) |
| 17:57.43 | enouf | peleg: i'd think you'd have to customize /etc/bash_completion (if using bash) |
| 17:58.00 | \amethyst | dustybin: actually, no, I think the first thing might have been fine. But you probably do need to change the NameVirtualHost directive since currently it says only port 443 uses name-based virtual hosting |
| 17:58.15 | \amethyst | dustybin: sorry, it's been a while since I've dealt with vhosts |
| 17:58.21 | enouf | peleg: maybe as in #bash - again, if bash |
| 17:58.25 | enouf | ask* |
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| 17:58.51 | \amethyst | peleg: well, you can make a variable and use it |
| 17:58.59 | peleg | enouf, is is bash. I'll ask there. I will have a look at this file and ask them. thanks! |
| 17:59.11 | \amethyst | peleg: wh=/var/www then cd $wh/domain.org |
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| 17:59.51 | \amethyst | peleg: if there are spaces in the path then both the path and "$wh" need to be double-quoted |
| 17:59.52 | enouf | \amethyst: i noticed in my PS1 that \w defines(?) the '~' |
| 18:00.03 | \amethyst | enouf: that's specific to prompt strings though |
| 18:00.13 | peleg | \amethyst, thanks, though this is not as handy as using simple \alpha or ` or something like that |
| 18:00.14 | \amethyst | ohh |
| 18:00.38 | \amethyst | peleg: well, you could define a command and use `wh` but that's no better :) |
| 18:01.04 | \amethyst | peleg: you can't change the shell grammar by adding new tokens unfortunately |
| 18:01.09 | peleg | also \alpha="peleg" won't work (even though a="peleg" works) |
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| 18:01.27 | enouf | ~$ export PS1='\[\033[01;35m\]\$ \[\033[00m\]' removes the ~ part of ~$ that i usually see .. and ~[TAB][TAB] does .. well you know - lists every user in /etc/passwd(?) IIRC |
| 18:01.38 | peleg | \amethyst, I think I can, looking at /etc/bash_completion. though, it looks a bit scary to mess with that file |
| 18:01.56 | \amethyst | peleg: that is only for tab-completion |
| 18:02.09 | enouf | ~$ grep '~' /etc/bash_completion | wc -l |
| 18:02.10 | enouf | 53 |
| 18:02.11 | enouf | heh |
| 18:02.24 | dustybin | \amethyst: it errors with this: http://paste.debian.net/24687/ (error is at bottom) |
| 18:02.26 | \amethyst | peleg: you could probably make it so that <alpha><tab> expanded to /var/www, though it might be a pain to do so |
| 18:02.33 | khaki | Hello! I downloaded a debian netinstall CDRom Image and wanted to install it. when it tries to check the network via DHCP it fails. i have a 8111/8168 realtek ethernet controller. is there a way to include the correct driver to the CD image? |
| 18:02.52 | enouf | oh crap - sorry peleg and \amethyst .. i unintentionally took 'expand' to mean 'tab-complete' .. my bad |
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| 18:03.07 | peleg | \amethyst, I see. let's see if #bash knows better :-) |
| 18:03.16 | peleg | thanks! |
| 18:03.27 | enouf | peleg: you're talking to someone from #bash .. and i don't mean me ;-) |
| 18:03.29 | \amethyst | peleg: you could maybe make it so when you press the <alpha> key it inserts /var/www |
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| 18:03.46 | peleg | \amethyst, that sounds good! |
| 18:04.01 | peleg | like a key binding. I didn't think bash supports these |
| 18:04.30 | peleg | maybe in .inputrc ? |
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| 18:05.03 | \amethyst | peleg: yeah |
| 18:05.08 | FreakGuard | -sh: <( compgen -f -X -- '' ): No such file or directory |
| 18:05.10 | FreakGuard | ? |
| 18:05.10 | peleg | \amethyst, I'll give it a shot |
| 18:05.13 | \amethyst | peleg: "é": "/var/www" |
| 18:05.22 | \amethyst | peleg: that will make it insert "/var/www" when you press é |
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| 18:06.07 | \amethyst | peleg: if the left side is more than one byte (for example, if you use UTF-8) it has to be quoted. The right side always has to be quoted |
| 18:06.56 | peleg | great! :-) I am very happy now. This opens a lot of options. |
| 18:07.21 | \amethyst | peleg: you can set it in an already-running bash with <C-x><C-r> (re-read init file) or with bind '"é": "/var/www"' |
| 18:07.42 | peleg | \amethyst, I just did "bash" and enter :-) |
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| 18:08.29 | peleg | and it looks like <c-x><c-r> is not working (maybe because of screen?) |
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| 18:10.08 | \amethyst | peleg: hm, is one of those your screen escape character maybe? otherwise, bind -p | grep re-read-init-file to see what it's bound to |
| 18:10.44 | \amethyst | if it's not, you can add the binding "\C-x\C-r": re-read-init-file either in .inputrc or with `bind` |
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| 18:11.07 | enouf | also take a peek at /etc/inputrc ? |
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| 18:11.25 | peleg | \amethyst, ok, but what's wrong with simply bash<cr> ? |
| 18:11.43 | peleg | it's not like I am doing it a lot |
| 18:11.44 | enouf | (/me thought to look at /etc/login.defs /etc/profile , etc but forgot all about inputrc) |
| 18:12.01 | \amethyst | peleg: well, you'll have to type "exit" more times to finally be done :) |
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| 18:12.24 | peleg | \amethyst, oh, usually I just kill windows. does it take more memory like that? |
| 18:12.41 | \amethyst | peleg: otherwise, no problem. You can use exec bash to transfer control to the new bash without forking (so that the original process doesn't stick around waiting) |
| 18:13.03 | empiric | hey any use alfresco contetnt management system |
| 18:13.19 | \amethyst | peleg: yeah, you have two copies of bash loaded (all the code is shared, but data like history and variables are copied |
| 18:13.47 | peleg | ok. that's an argument against it. |
| 18:13.50 | \amethyst | peleg: exec bash makes the new copy of bash replace the old one, instead of both being loaded at the same time |
| 18:13.50 | peleg | thanks! |
| 18:14.30 | metalfan_ | ive tried to use this patchset: ftp://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/simulavr/simulavr_0.1.2.2-6.1.diff.gz to compile simulavr on archlinux, its not finding <inttypes.h> - is there a site where i can search for this file in debian packages? |
| 18:14.47 | enouf | !search |
| 18:14.47 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 18:16.37 | metalfan_ | enouf, i dont have debian installed |
| 18:16.52 | enouf | !pdo |
| 18:16.53 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 18:17.14 | enouf | metalfan_: ^^^^^^^ |
| 18:17.23 | enouf | metalfan_: packages.d.o |
| 18:17.57 | metalfan_ | ah crap, only clicked on search on the upper right |
| 18:18.05 | enouf | :-) |
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| 18:18.28 | metalfan_ | thx |
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| 18:19.59 | deadcat_ | how would i access a cisco router via serial? |
| 18:20.33 | \amethyst | deadcat_: Probably minicom (or something similar) and a null modem cable |
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| 18:20.55 | deadcat_ | \amethyst: no settings required? |
| 18:21.25 | \amethyst | deadcat_: you'll probably have to set the baud rate and modem settings (data bits, stop bits, parity, etc) |
| 18:21.33 | \amethyst | deadcat_: I don't know what they should be set to |
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| 18:22.13 | \amethyst | deadcat_: I would suspect it's 8-N-1 (8 data, no parity, 1 stop) |
| 18:22.34 | deadcat_ | )= i hate serial modem |
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| 18:23.28 | deadcat_ | iam piss, gonna eat a cake, that will make me happy again. |
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| 18:27.27 | bolt | what do I put for the processor family in menuconfig for a pentium 3 mobile? |
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| 18:29.32 | bolt | 586? pentium m? pentium 3? |
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| 18:31.01 | arcsky | anyone know a good guide for install debian from an usb stick? |
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| 18:33.35 | keith4 | arcsky: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=install+debian+from+usb+flash |
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| 18:34.18 | Supaplex | bolt: p3 |
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| 18:35.31 | bolt | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 18:37.10 | arcsky | keith4: cool |
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| 18:38.20 | keith4 | arcsky: i'm feeling nice today... so just skip right to here: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html |
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| 18:56.17 | enouf | !leap second |
| 18:56.17 | dpkg | [leap second] A leap second will be added to atomic clocks worldwide at 23:59:60 (or near midnight) at Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on December 31, 2008. This is the 24th leap second to be added since the first leap second was added in 1972. This is also the first leap second in three years. http://www.timeanddate.com/time/leapseconds.html |
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| 18:59.06 | enouf | i guess it would depend on how it affects the space/time continuum .. do you feel any more "warped" ? :-p |
| 18:59.31 | bolt | so the length of a second is not wrong, the earth is just spinning too slowly, so we have to add a leap second. god, why wont the earth adapt to our standard seconds? |
| 18:59.54 | enouf | bolt: ape constructs! . sheesh... |
| 19:00.37 | enouf | nobody seems to be able to predict the 25K year "wobble" :-) |
| 19:00.40 | Supaplex | I wonder how many fools will celebrate the new year a second early |
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| 19:01.48 | enouf | Supaplex: wait! we can re-RENT the space! @_@ |
| 19:02.01 | Supaplex | enouf: stupid butterfly effect! Why can't those scientists get off their lazy butt and write a formula for it? ;) |
| 19:02.25 | enouf | Supaplex: nothing like y2k .. where so many celebrated 1 full year easly :-P |
| 19:02.30 | enouf | early* |
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| 19:02.43 | bolt | 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ... 1 again!, happy new year! |
| 19:02.53 | dvs | bolt: practicing? |
| 19:02.56 | Supaplex | hehehe, or recelebrated 1900 |
| 19:02.56 | bolt | yeh |
| 19:02.58 | enouf | BLASTOFF! ... w00h000 |
| 19:03.02 | bolt | need to remember that |
| 19:03.05 | bolt | kind of unusual |
| 19:03.06 | enouf | haha |
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| 19:03.35 | enouf | but humans are ... so precise .. we are ... Gods! .. |
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| 19:04.08 | enyawix | where are the documents on how debian package management works? |
| 19:04.24 | enouf | we are so smart - we know so many things! .. we have the answer for most everything! |
| 19:04.36 | enouf | !reference |
| 19:04.37 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 19:04.45 | enouf | to start |
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| 19:05.31 | Assid | hi im using lenny.. and installed openntpd |
| 19:05.49 | Assid | however, for whatever reason.. my servers time is not being synched |
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| 19:06.58 | enouf | !ntp |
| 19:06.58 | dpkg | methinks ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 19:07.14 | enouf | !set the time |
| 19:07.15 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:07.34 | Assid | enouf: i even have the ntp package.. and its running thanks to init.. but times wayyy off |
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| 19:08.02 | hellues | wdf |
| 19:08.15 | hellues | i understand union intersect and except |
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| 19:08.35 | enyawix | enouf thanks bot :) |
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| 19:09.09 | Assid | enouf: my problem is.. it doesnt keep synching |
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| 19:09.22 | Assid | and ntptrace doesnt really get me a list of servers it connects to |
| 19:09.40 | enouf | Assid: i think there's a limit to how much "off" it can correct |
| 19:09.48 | Assid | enouf: 2.5 hrs? |
| 19:09.56 | enouf | Assid: IIRC, something like that |
| 19:10.05 | enouf | Assid: thought it was 2 hours |
| 19:10.11 | Assid | enouf: thing is.. it shouldnt have reached 2 hrs |
| 19:10.19 | Assid | if the daemon was running.. it should have kept a check on it |
| 19:10.48 | enouf | Assid: maybe you need some hwclock loving - see hwclock -systohw, and --directisa options |
| 19:11.10 | enouf | Assid: i might be totally mistaken though .. sorry |
| 19:11.25 | enouf | Assid: do you have ntpdate installed? |
| 19:11.31 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 19:11.32 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
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| 19:12.03 | Assid | yep.. ntpdate installed |
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| 19:13.18 | enouf | Assid: that might be an issue .. sorry, no more info do i have - please see bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 19:16.50 | backslash7 | Hey guys. I'm trying to share a Windows XP's internet connection in order to have internet access on my debian laptop but I can't get it to work. I can't even ping neither of them. |
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| 19:17.15 | newsense | backslash7, turn off your firewalls |
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| 19:17.44 | sly007 | Hello, I ran mplayer by mistake as root in console mode (without X running) and my screen suddenly displayed waves of colors and I could kill the process. What happened? I dit it again on another screen and it did the same thing. |
| 19:17.52 | backslash7 | newsense: What firewalls do you mean? I even used Windows' network assistant to set it up properly |
| 19:18.02 | newsense | debian by default has no active firewalls so if you didnt set one up you should be ok |
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| 19:18.10 | backslash7 | And assigning a static ip configuration to eth0 wasn't that hard either :P I just have no idea why it's not working at all |
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| 19:18.12 | newsense | backslash7, first problem |
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| 19:18.24 | sly007 | could NOT* kill mplayer |
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| 19:18.32 | enouf | sly007: you tried running mplayer in console, in FB mode |
| 19:18.45 | zaphands | Hello all! I get no sound using HD intel. Can anyone help? I don't know what to begin checking except the trivial stuff (using the mixer, checking cables and power buttons). dmesg says: ALSA device list: #0: HDA Intel at 0xeb300000 irq 22. but that's it. no other messages with alsa. |
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| 19:19.07 | backslash7 | newsense: What are you talking about |
| 19:19.15 | enouf | sly007: you need something like directfb, or support for your card in FB mode - see /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 19:19.28 | newsense | doesnt matter windows networking is not relavent here anyways |
| 19:19.38 | enouf | sly007: it's nnot easy to get mplayer to work correctly in Console, but can be done |
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| 19:20.08 | Mardeni | nice |
| 19:20.22 | backslash7 | newsense: Well then what is? It's nothing but having 2 computers with static IPs and have the Windows PC forwarding internet requests |
| 19:20.24 | Mardeni | we have lot of Debian users here =) |
| 19:20.35 | backslash7 | But I can't even ping the other computer |
| 19:20.46 | dvs | Mardeni: really? |
| 19:20.56 | dvs | ;_) |
| 19:20.59 | Mardeni | dvs jep lot more than at IRCnet |
| 19:21.00 | enouf | sly007: suggestion, login to another tty (say tty3) as root - then alt-f3, 'pkill mplayer' to kill all occurences |
| 19:21.01 | newsense | backslash7, xp problobly created some network bridges all wrong or something |
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| 19:21.16 | Mardeni | =) |
| 19:21.38 | enouf | sly007: procps: /usr/bin/pkill |
| 19:21.38 | enouf | procps: /usr/share/man/man1/pkill.1.gz |
| 19:21.43 | backslash7 | newsense: Yeah I guess since I can establish a connection with just the private LAN interface up on the windows machine |
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| 19:22.03 | backslash7 | So the second connection kills the other one and I don't know why. They use different IP ranges |
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| 19:23.16 | sly007 | enouf: I just want to know how mplayer had access to my screen in console mode. It kind of f*cked my screen since now the waves are still there even when the screen is powered off and on and is not connected to the computer |
| 19:23.26 | Tenkawa | anyone know off hand where the linux vserver project discussions are on irc? |
| 19:23.35 | sly007 | It cannot display anything but these waves |
| 19:23.52 | enouf | zaphands: quick question and thought - using Etch? if so, dist-upgrade to Lenny .. /msg dpkg etch->lenny, /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 19:24.14 | zaphands | enouf: Using lenny. |
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| 19:24.31 | enouf | sly007: er.. that ain't right .. can you run 'reset' or 'clear' ? |
| 19:24.37 | dvs | Tenkawa: #tlsp |
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| 19:25.01 | dvs | Tenkawa: #ltsp I mean |
| 19:25.29 | enouf | sly007: it's not that mplayer did anything, its that it called a certain FrameBuffer(FB) that might have also issued edid commands .. deguass the sucker |
| 19:25.30 | Tenkawa | thanks |
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| 19:26.09 | Tenkawa | dvs: thats terminal server.. not virtual server |
| 19:26.12 | enouf | zaphands: go through the /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 19:26.24 | Tenkawa | linux-vserver is the one I'm trying to find (let me just google it) |
| 19:26.25 | dvs | Tenkawa: Oh sorry. |
| 19:26.40 | Tenkawa | no problem.. thanks though.. still useful site to read up on |
| 19:26.41 | nub | how do i install compiz with kde4 on debian lenny? everytime i apt-get install compiz, it wants to remove kde and go with gnome. apt-get install compiz-kde wnats to remove kde, as well. |
| 19:27.01 | enouf | nub: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 19:27.25 | Tenkawa | ahh.. its on oftc :( |
| 19:27.27 | Zambezi | If my systemharddrive is sdd (hd3) and Debian asks to install grub till master boot record does it mean my hd0 (LUKS-partion) gone bye bye? Cause it's not recognized as a LUKS-partion anymore. |
| 19:27.40 | Tenkawa | darn |
| 19:28.20 | enouf | Zambezi: each HDD has a MBR |
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| 19:29.10 | enouf | Zambezi: (well .. as far as msdos/ibm labeling/partitioning is concerned) |
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| 19:29.17 | Zambezi | enouf: So it shouldn't be a problem? But it's the third computer I'm trying in now, both with ATA, USB, FW. No sucess so far. |
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| 19:29.32 | enouf | 3rd computer? |
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| 19:29.59 | Darth_Tux | hello all, I have a iso CD and need to transfer it to a flashdrive to install Debian. I have never done this before so any help would be great |
| 19:30.35 | enouf | Darth_Tux: loop mount it and rsync it over .. er .. or dd it |
| 19:30.39 | dvs | Darth_Tux: There are instructions in the install guide on how to do this. |
| 19:30.49 | enouf | !mount cd |
| 19:30.58 | Zambezi | enouf: First my server, then my desktop, then a sparecomputer. I tried on the motherboard, both as master and slave, as USB, Firewire. It's not recognized. |
| 19:31.12 | Darth_Tux | enouf, the cd is mounted already thanks |
| 19:31.19 | enouf | !mount cdrom |
| 19:31.19 | dpkg | If everything is working well, then just "mount /dev/cdrom"; otherwise, you can "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /media/cdrom" where /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) is your cd-device. See man mount for more information or ask me about <automount> or <iso mount>. |
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| 19:32.51 | enouf | Darth_Tux: the ISO won't be expanded until you burn it as an image, though certain insall methods will look for an ISO location fro mwhich to draw from |
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| 19:33.36 | Darth_Tux | enouf, the cd is burned already |
| 19:33.38 | enouf | Darth_Tux: er.. /won't be expnaded/ until you burn it ...or .. mount it |
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| 19:34.02 | enouf | Zambezi: sorry, i don't understand .. |
| 19:34.15 | Darth_Tux | the cd is set to install the cd rom on the computer is having issues though |
| 19:35.59 | Zambezi | enouf: I connected the harddrive on my fileserver on the motherboard. First as Master, then as Slave. Didn't work. Then I tried an old computer as Master, then Slave, via USB. Didn't work. Then in my desktop as master, slave, USB, Firewire. Same thing - LUKS can't decrypt it. |
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| 19:38.05 | enouf | Zambezi: but i thought you were trying to install debian (and possibly grub?) |
| 19:38.21 | nick4 | Lenny doesn't load a module for my PCI-to-USB2 card. I know the model of the PCI card. Is there a database to tell me what is the name of the module that I need? |
| 19:38.45 | Supaplex | nick4: lspci |
| 19:38.57 | nick4 | ah danke :D |
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| 19:39.21 | enouf | Zambezi: i suggest you visit wiki.debian.org - read the Installation Guide - see if any RAID + LVM + Crypt (LUKs) is an issue .. |
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| 19:39.36 | enouf | nick4: runupdate-pciids |
| 19:39.46 | nick4 | strange, it shows up as a sound card... "02:0c.2 Audio device: NEC Corporation USB 2.0 (rev 04)" |
| 19:39.48 | enouf | nick4: run 'update-pciids' as root too |
| 19:40.04 | vladi | hi, i seem to be having no luck with flash in debian im using lenny and tried packages from deb-multimedia and get errors on update-alternatives anyone have a good way of getting flash up |
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| 19:40.59 | dvs | vladi: amd64 kernel? |
| 19:40.59 | enouf | Zambezi: for example http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto which has been resolved - also /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 19:41.07 | craigevil | dmm works fine here, you can always download it from adobe and put the plugin in ./mozilla/plugins |
| 19:41.40 | vladi | dvs: nope i686 |
| 19:41.50 | vladi | craigevil: yeah downloading a deb from them right now |
| 19:42.24 | dvs | vladi: I just used the package in debian-multimedia and it worked. |
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| 19:42.42 | vladi | dvs: thats what i tried first but getting an error on install |
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| 19:43.09 | nick4 | enouf still, after update-pciids, no luck. It still gets detected as sound card. Maybe it's not a Debian thing, maybe it's a BIOS thing |
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| 19:44.58 | enouf | nick4: if lspci shows "unknown" anywhere, then 'update-pciids' is apropos, but yours does not |
| 19:45.19 | nick4 | yes, it just shows as sound card |
| 19:45.26 | enouf | nick4: is that a dell ? g33 chipset? |
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| 19:45.48 | nsadmin | how do I get muse to use timidity? |
| 19:46.08 | enouf | nick4: your missing some kernel modules loading - is that a usb2.0 HDD controller? |
| 19:46.26 | Zambezi | enouf: I didn't use LVM or RAID at all. |
| 19:46.27 | nick4 | enouf no, not a dell machine, the pci card is a Equip USB 2.0 4+1 Port on a ASUS P4B mobo (Pentium 4 1.5G @ 100MHz) |
| 19:46.37 | nick4 | yes a usb2 controler |
| 19:47.07 | enouf | nick4: then lsmod | egrep 'usb|ohci|ehci|uhci|' |
| 19:47.11 | enouf | gah |
| 19:47.24 | nick4 | ok there is a big list |
| 19:47.31 | stoned | just grep usb|hci |
| 19:47.33 | stoned | tard |
| 19:47.34 | nick4 | ah ok :) |
| 19:47.34 | stoned | ;) |
| 19:47.39 | dvs | nick4: it's usually ohci or uhci |
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| 19:47.46 | Zambezi | enouf: I already installed it. And after that, it's not possible to decrypt the LUKS-partion. |
| 19:47.54 | dvs | nick4: with NEC, I'll bet it's ohci |
| 19:48.03 | nsadmin | stoned: there's a ter daemon?? |
| 19:48.11 | nick4 | and you are right dvs |
| 19:48.12 | nick4 | uhci_hcd 18672 0 |
| 19:48.12 | nick4 | usbcore 118160 2 uhci_hcd |
| 19:48.14 | nsadmin | err tar daemon |
| 19:48.16 | stoned | nsadmin, ter? |
| 19:48.20 | stoned | tar? |
| 19:48.39 | nsadmin | what's tard? |
| 19:48.41 | nick4 | black and sticky :P |
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| 19:54.50 | w_towngammler_ | hi |
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| 20:01.04 | MikeG | Anyone know the best filesystem to choose for SSD disk? Or does it not really matter? |
| 20:01.31 | jelly | hi, is there a way to log commands run over a noninteractive ssh session? |
| 20:02.14 | jelly | eg if someone does a ssh myserver /bin/true, I wish to log the command and its arguments somewhere |
| 20:02.57 | KiDFlaSh | !install kde |
| 20:02.57 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 20:05.19 | nsadmin | jelly: wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the first s of ssh? |
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| 20:15.21 | Elmaron | hello |
| 20:15.42 | Elmaron | my /etc/motd gets printed out *twice* on login. I want to change/fix this and don't know where to start looking |
| 20:15.53 | Elmaron | does someone here have an idea? |
| 20:16.23 | Elmaron | .bashrc just sets some environment var and uses the umask command |
| 20:16.29 | Elmaron | I guess that's not the source of this behaviour |
| 20:16.34 | Elmaron | and .bash_login isn't even there |
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| 20:17.21 | \amethyst | Elmaron: what kinds of logins? also check /etc/bash.bashrc (debian-specific) and /etc/profile (not) |
| 20:17.53 | Elmaron | remote ssh logins |
| 20:18.36 | sameer | hey guys, i'm having issues accessing my camera. anyone have experience with error msgs like: "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'camera'"? |
| 20:18.47 | \amethyst | Elmaron: maybe you have pam_motd.so in /etc/pam.d/ssh and also PrintMotd yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 20:18.56 | \amethyst | Elmaron: if that were the case it would be printed twice |
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| 20:19.09 | phobos_anomaly | sameer: I had the same problem until I installed gimp. then it went away |
| 20:19.21 | Elmaron | hm someone in ##linux just suggested turning off the motd in sshd_config |
| 20:19.30 | Elmaron | maybe that's just the easiest way =P *tries* |
| 20:19.35 | \amethyst | Elmaron: if PrintMotd is not set, it defaults to true, so yeah: PrintMotd no |
| 20:19.43 | sameer | phobos_anomaly thx, so you imported through gimp? |
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| 20:20.07 | \amethyst | Elmaron: debian by default prints the motd from /etc/pam.d/ssh so it should be turned off in the sshd_config |
| 20:20.20 | phobos_anomaly | sameer: I did, and for some reason, it made a difference. I don't think it installed any new services or anything though. maybe it was just the way that it accessed the camera |
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| 20:21.27 | sameer | phobos_anomaly cool, thx, will try to import via gimp... |
| 20:21.31 | th0ger_ | When will sid switch to 2.6.28? Is there a page for planned updates? |
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| 20:21.57 | phobos_anomaly | got a few new coasters today... someone gave me a few xp and vista install cd's.... |
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| 20:23.48 | Assid | okay this is strange |
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| 20:24.07 | dmoerner | th0ger_: sid won't get a new kernel until lenny releases |
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| 20:24.50 | Assid | ntpq peers shows me a few peers .. in etch .. it shows me +/- in front of each host.. the other box with lenny.. there is no +/- .. and the time since a while isnt coming any closer to the actual time |
| 20:24.59 | th0ger_ | dmoerner: and when is that? |
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| 20:25.21 | dmoerner | dpkg: +tell th0ger_ -about wwlr |
| 20:25.21 | dpkg | told th0ger_ about wwlr. |
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| 20:27.44 | sameer | phobos_anomaly did GIMP recognize your camera through File->Acquire ? Can't bring it up that way, or by trying to "open" my camera icon with GIMP |
| 20:28.49 | phobos_anomaly | sameer: it recognized mine without any trouble. what kind of camera do you have? |
| 20:29.09 | maligor | I imagine it uses gphoto2 |
| 20:29.19 | sameer | phobos_anomaly Fuji F100fd |
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| 20:29.51 | craigevil | th0ger build your own or if your on sid you can use a sidux kernel without any problems |
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| 20:30.20 | teliti | Hello! Cound anyone please tell me how to install firefox in aptitude (lenny)? I cannot find the entry "firefox" ... |
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| 20:30.31 | dmoerner | teliti: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 20:30.37 | Val010 | what the hello is sh <defunct> ? |
| 20:30.44 | Val010 | hell* |
| 20:30.47 | teliti | ahh thx! |
| 20:30.51 | JPT | it's a shell, right ? |
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| 20:31.05 | dmoerner | teliti: /msg dpkg why iceweasel if you are curious about it |
| 20:31.07 | Val010 | webmin keeps leaving that process on every user after a cronjob |
| 20:31.09 | th0ger_ | craigevil: it's okay, its seems it will release soon. I can wait. What is your guess, a few weeks? |
| 20:31.19 | sameer | tell maligor thx, i have libgphoto2 (and have tried gimp digikam and picasa as frontends) |
| 20:31.32 | morfol | anyone got a link to howto to setup an own package-mirror. dont know what words to google |
| 20:31.48 | maligor | sameer, checked possible permission issues? |
| 20:31.59 | teliti | interesting! |
| 20:32.09 | maligor | debian doesn't really default to desktop use permissions ;) |
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| 20:32.26 | KiDFlaSh | i have a miniimage how can i install kde during installationß |
| 20:32.35 | sameer | tell maligor i think that's probably the issue, but using digikam as root also didn't help |
| 20:32.52 | NthDegree | KiDFlaSh, did you download a KDE CD? |
| 20:33.02 | NthDegree | "Desktop Environment" defaults to GNOME I think in non-KDE CDs |
| 20:33.18 | KiDFlaSh | no |
| 20:33.18 | Val010 | JPT : if your asking me , its a server running webmin |
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| 20:33.24 | th0ger_ | dmoerner: rsn... what is your bet? A few weeks? |
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| 20:33.33 | KiDFlaSh | i need the kde cd? |
| 20:33.35 | jelly | nsadmin: no, users implicitely trust root anyway |
| 20:33.54 | maligor | sameer, might be that your version of gphoto doesn't have it listed |
| 20:34.00 | sameer | tell maligor i take that back... it didn't specifically recognize my camera, but i was able to browse to it as root. thx |
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| 20:34.02 | KiDFlaSh | nthdegree can you |
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| 20:34.08 | robert83a5 | hello, I've installed bind9 on debian etch, and configured it like this http://pastebin.com/m54d7791b , I've set resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 , and try to ping www.euportal.edu.yu , and it will not resolv, named is runing, what is wrong with this config? |
| 20:34.09 | KiDFlaSh | link the kdecd? |
| 20:34.12 | dmoerner | th0ger_: i would say feb 09 |
| 20:34.19 | NthDegree | KiDFlaSh, sure |
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| 20:34.24 | sameer | phobos_anomaly thx, using digikam as root worked |
| 20:34.32 | th0ger_ | dmoerner: ok thx |
| 20:34.36 | maligor | sameer, http://gphoto.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/gphoto/trunk/libgphoto2/camlibs/ptp2/library.c?r1=11506&r2=11505&pathrev=11506 |
| 20:35.09 | NthDegree | KiDFlaSh, unfortunately it's a full CD1 not a mini-CD but.. ftp://debian-iso.mirror.anlx.net/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r5-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 20:35.16 | maligor | why can't sourceforge use a more sane viewer, heh |
| 20:35.23 | NthDegree | you can get it from the iso-cd directory on most mirrors |
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| 20:35.46 | KiDFlaSh | !install kde |
| 20:35.46 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 20:35.49 | NthDegree | that's the i386 version, there is of course amd64 and such for that as usual |
| 20:35.58 | KiDFlaSh | can i use this? |
| 20:36.04 | NthDegree | yeah |
| 20:36.06 | sameer | tell maligor thx, will look into that |
| 20:36.09 | NthDegree | didn't know about this |
| 20:36.15 | KiDFlaSh | ok |
| 20:36.17 | NthDegree | KiDFlaSh, I think so yeah |
| 20:36.45 | KiDFlaSh | i type tasks=standard, kde-desktop? |
| 20:36.54 | KiDFlaSh | with kommata? |
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| 20:39.58 | teliti | is there a gnash-plugin for iceweasel? |
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| 20:41.23 | maligor | teliti, aptitude search gnash |
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| 20:41.56 | sphenxes01 | i have installed flash player to firefox, it was working fine and without any notice my youtube videos doesn't work any more? where should i check or reinstall my flash player? etch 64 bit |
| 20:42.14 | NthDegree | sphenxes01 are you using a 32bit flash player? |
| 20:42.54 | sphenxes01 | NthDegree, i think so, because there is no 64 bit flash according to my understanding (newbie) |
| 20:42.59 | NthDegree | there is now |
| 20:43.02 | teliti | maligor: thank you |
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| 20:43.05 | NthDegree | you can get an alpha if you want it |
| 20:43.15 | sphenxes01 | NthDegree, where can i download it |
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| 20:43.21 | stew | sphenxes01: there are 64 bit flash plugins |
| 20:43.22 | NthDegree | lemme get the link |
| 20:43.23 | Supaplex | the innterwebtubes |
| 20:43.34 | NthDegree | there's an official one now hehe |
| 20:43.34 | stew | sphenxes01: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:43.41 | maligor | teliti, I wouldn't really use it tho, it's rather unstable |
| 20:43.50 | sphenxes01 | stew etch |
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| 20:44.26 | NthDegree | stew, this thing won't be in any Debian release because it's still alpha |
| 20:44.32 | stew | sphenxes01: then the one that NthDegree is talking about (the amd64 version of the non-free plugin from adobe) wont work |
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| 20:44.41 | NthDegree | ah why not? |
| 20:44.48 | stew | sphenxes01: you can use a backported version of gnash though |
| 20:44.54 | NthDegree | O_o |
| 20:45.00 | NthDegree | stew, why not? :S |
| 20:45.01 | sphenxes01 | thanks |
| 20:45.03 | stew | NthDegree: it depends on libraries not in etch, i don't know which |
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| 20:46.16 | NthDegree | ah |
| 20:46.59 | NthDegree | http://pastebin.ca/1295874 <-- just incase you're curious |
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| 20:47.50 | NthDegree | that's from lenny though I can't see anything there that etch would lack |
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| 20:52.27 | renton_ | when i setup a vpn on ppp0 |
| 20:52.32 | renton_ | it gives me a DNS server |
| 20:52.47 | renton_ | but seems that my box is still using the original DNS and not the DNS of the vpn.. |
| 20:53.01 | Mardeni | "I am operator with my pocket calculator" , "PiiP PiiP" |
| 20:53.11 | stoned | what? |
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| 20:54.31 | renton_ | how can i change on the fly the dns server on which the resolv requests are sent? |
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| 20:54.55 | renton_ | i connected to a vpn and i want to use the dns on that vpn and not the original one |
| 20:54.58 | jelly | renton_: by editiing /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:55.22 | renton_ | oh.. |
| 20:55.45 | jelly | however I think you likely want it to happen automatically; this will depend on the particular vpn setup used |
| 20:55.54 | Supaplex | renton_: then you want on condition. if a post up/down script is created for your vpn, it can manage /etc/resolv.conf - provided local dhcp isn't mucking with it. |
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| 20:56.05 | stew | NthDegree: libxcb.so.1? i'm not sure |
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| 20:56.46 | renton_ | because on the vpn DNS there are some "corporate private hostnames" that are not resolved on "public dns".. |
| 20:56.52 | jelly | NthDegree: it needs newer gtk libraries than what's in etch, afair |
| 20:57.06 | NthDegree | ah |
| 20:57.09 | NthDegree | that sucks |
| 20:57.31 | scifi | hi, ive just upgraded from etch to lenny and rebooted. when i open epiphany i get the message - epiphany could not connect to the session message bus. your default settings will not be available.....any ideas? |
| 20:58.04 | renton_ | after editing resolv.conf |
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| 20:58.09 | renton_ | can i immediatly use it |
| 20:58.14 | renton_ | or should i flush some cache? |
| 20:58.27 | jelly | renton_: that's it |
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| 20:59.09 | jelly | renton_: no ns cache is enabled by default |
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| 20:59.22 | renton_ | thanks |
| 20:59.35 | NthDegree | scifi, dbus related thing |
| 20:59.51 | NthDegree | try clearing the epiphany-related config info from your homedir |
| 20:59.51 | renton_ | ok.. good.. i'm on remote desktop on my corporate network.. |
| 20:59.59 | renton_ | but i did too many stuff manualy :P |
| 21:00.02 | NthDegree | though I see that all the time in bug-buddy |
| 21:00.05 | renton_ | thanks everyone |
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| 21:01.25 | simmerz | hi. if i want to use hibernate features on my laptop, does a swap partition need to be the same size as my RAM? |
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| 21:02.42 | pobega | hello, I'm connecting my laptop to my television through VGA and I am wondering how I can go about setting up a specific resolution for my television |
| 21:03.01 | minerale | I read somewhere that 'if you are swapping, you have lost the fight' it was published by someone well known in the linux community, anyone know what article/blog I'm talking about? |
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| 21:04.49 | jelly | pobega: if your drivers allow it, xrandr |
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| 21:05.56 | pobega | jelly: Is there any way to set it in my xorg.conf to use a seperate resolution for my laptop monitor and television? |
| 21:06.37 | Mike0x0 | I've got a box with a line-in to the onboard sound on the back as well as a headphones jack on the front. Is there an alsa config someplace that will make the front override the back when something is plugged into it? As far as I know, the hardware in the box is setup correctly, but its a work machine and I can't break the sticker to find out. |
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| 21:08.20 | scifi | NthDegree: how do i do that?? |
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| 21:08.57 | NthDegree | scifi, look around ~/.gnome2 and such |
| 21:09.02 | IRL | ciao |
| 21:09.07 | NthDegree | look for epiphany-related files and delete them |
| 21:09.08 | IRL | !list |
| 21:09.08 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to irl |
| 21:09.21 | NthDegree | LOL |
| 21:09.34 | newsense | !lol |
| 21:09.34 | Supaplex | IRL: all the hot isos are at debian.org |
| 21:09.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 21:09.41 | NthDegree | IRL, this network doesn't provide illegal-to-distribute software |
| 21:09.41 | jelly | pobega: yes, but don't ask me how. :-) |
| 21:09.53 | Supaplex | he's gone :) |
| 21:10.19 | newsense | plenty of free software to go around though :) |
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| 21:10.29 | pobega | jelly: Thanks any, for recommending xrandr. I'm going to mess around with that for a while :] |
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| 21:11.41 | Assid | okay this is strange.. ntpq -p shows a list of ntp servers.. however there is no +-* next to any |
| 21:11.50 | Assid | and the time is just drifting |
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| 21:18.47 | jelly | time keeps on slipping? |
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| 21:19.08 | Supaplex | Assid: quit moving so fast! |
| 21:19.23 | sameeerynho | how did terminal program communicate with /dev/pts/x |
| 21:19.26 | Assid | the stupid server is ticking too much |
| 21:19.40 | Supaplex | *tick-tick* BOOM |
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| 21:20.21 | Assid | okay seriously.. why isnt it staying intact.. i mean should it have +/*/- next to each server in ntpq -p |
| 21:20.29 | Assid | my other box does |
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| 21:21.08 | scifi | hi, ive just upgraded from etch to lenny and rebooted. when i open epiphany i get the message - epiphany could not connect to the session message bus. your default settings will not be available.....any ideas? |
| 21:21.22 | abrotman | scientes: is dbus installed and running ? |
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| 21:21.42 | scientes | not me |
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| 21:22.14 | renton_ | what's the opposite of pptp call ? |
| 21:22.25 | renton_ | sorry |
| 21:22.28 | renton_ | pppd call |
| 21:22.56 | jelly | "the opposite"? |
| 21:23.09 | joltcan | renton_: Not sure where you want to go with this |
| 21:23.11 | renton_ | i used ppdp call and I got a ppp0 |
| 21:23.21 | renton_ | i want to disconnect from that vpn. :) |
| 21:23.31 | jelly | renton_: just kill the process |
| 21:23.39 | renton_ | ifconfig ppp0 down |
| 21:23.40 | renton_ | maybe? |
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| 21:23.54 | jelly | no need to |
| 21:24.22 | abrotman | scientes: sorry |
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| 21:24.25 | abrotman | scifi: is dbus installed and running ? |
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| 21:24.32 | scientes | no biggie |
| 21:25.11 | scifi | abrotman: not sure how to check that |
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| 21:25.34 | abrotman | scifi: dpkg -l dbus or pgrep dbus |
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| 21:27.09 | scifi | abrotman: yes it appears to be |
| 21:27.17 | sameeerynho | i can't use festival when i use it i get : error : /dev/dsp: resource busy...., what is the problem |
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| 21:30.08 | scifi | abrotman: anything else i shud check? |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | scifi: appears to be running or installed? |
| 21:30.55 | scifi | abrotman: both |
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| 21:35.00 | abrotman | scifi: do other dbus apps work ? |
| 21:36.07 | scifi | abrotman: such as? |
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| 21:38.05 | scifi | abrotman: just tried iceweasel and didnt get the error message, so it appears it is just an epiphany issue |
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| 21:39.12 | KiDFlaSh | !blacklist |
| 21:39.13 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 21:39.29 | abrotman | scifi: try something more gnomeish like pidgin |
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| 21:41.23 | scifi | abrotman: dont think i have pidgin :P |
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| 21:42.12 | abrotman | scifi: try to restart the dbus with the init script |
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| 21:43.54 | scifi | abrotman: not sure how to do that sorry |
| 21:44.32 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
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| 21:54.59 | aghaster | Hi |
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| 21:55.00 | jelly | aymak: dpkg --contents foo.deb |
| 21:55.00 | aghaster | I have started using two screens on my debian box, and I have configured X so that each of them is a separate X screen (I'm not using xinerama) |
| 21:55.00 | aymak | jelly: but where are deb files kept? |
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| 21:55.01 | aghaster | I would like to know if it possible to make an application go from a screen to another |
| 21:55.01 | jelly | aymak: what do you mean, where are they kept? |
| 21:55.01 | Shadowcat | ./var/apt/cache |
| 21:55.01 | Shadowcat | next |
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| 21:55.01 | jelly | aymak: do you want to see what files are there in a .deb package file, or do you want to see what files belong to an already installed package? |
| 21:55.02 | aymak | jelly: if I can see the deb file, then I know I've got the right name (and does dpkg require the full path?) |
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| 21:55.02 | aymak | jelly: either way, I guess the 2nd would work better for me. |
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| 21:55.02 | jelly | aymak: what are you really trying to find out? |
| 21:55.02 | KiDFlaSh | how is the name of the flashplayer 10 package? |
| 21:55.02 | scifi | abrotman: can only see dbus script no dbus restart |
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| 21:55.03 | jelly | Shadowcat: there is no "/var/apt", btw. |
| 21:55.03 | aymak | I just installed a package (graphicsmagick), but where are the binaries I expect? |
| 21:55.03 | craigevil-eee | flashplugin-nonfree or flashplayer-mozilla if your using dmm |
| 21:55.03 | aymak | jelly: where is identify, display? |
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| 21:55.04 | aymak | jelly: dpkg indicate package installed. |
| 21:55.04 | abrotman | scifi: it's a full command .. type it as root |
| 21:55.04 | scifi | ok sorry |
| 21:55.13 | Shadowcat | jelly: /var/cache/apt |
| 21:55.15 | Shadowcat | something lie that |
| 21:55.20 | Shadowcat | it's in /var anyway |
| 21:55.21 | Shadowcat | I know that |
| 21:55.25 | KiDFlaSh | thx craigevil-eee |
| 21:55.50 | jelly | aymak: oh. graphicsmagick is different from imagemagick. |
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| 21:56.17 | aymak | jelly: just found out, thanks, just discovering the gm syntax... |
| 21:56.44 | jelly | Shadowcat: try to be exact when helping someone |
| 21:56.57 | aymak | jelly: I'm on my way, thanks again, bye... |
| 21:56.58 | Shadowcat | jelly: not exactly sitting in front of a debian machine |
| 21:57.04 | Shadowcat | but hey, if you'd rather I just idle |
| 21:57.05 | Shadowcat | fine |
| 21:57.07 | jelly | Shadowcat: then don't answer |
| 21:57.10 | jelly | right. |
| 21:57.47 | jelly | no need for extra confusion, there's plenty already |
| 21:57.53 | KiDFlaSh | !blacklist |
| 21:57.54 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 21:58.05 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: you can msg the bot |
| 21:58.16 | Shadowcat | !tell KiDFlaSh about msg |
| 21:58.53 | scifi | abrotman: ok restarted dbus but unfortunately i still get the same message with epiphany |
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| 21:59.37 | abrotman | scifi: bugs.debian.org/epiphany-browser .. look for something similar |
| 22:00.06 | abrotman | or bugs.debian.org/epiphany-gecko |
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| 22:01.09 | LoveGuru | Is Debian supports "webmin" or "ebox" or anything i can manage my server by web interface? |
| 22:01.50 | abrotman | not webmin |
| 22:01.58 | bolt | why doesn't my iptables have a table "nat"? "iptables v1.4.1.1: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)"" |
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| 22:02.48 | schme | bolt: maybe modprobe nf_nat |
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| 22:02.59 | jelly | bolt: uname -r? |
| 22:03.09 | schme | bolt: or modprobe iptable_nat |
| 22:03.35 | bolt | jelly: 2.6.26. home-compiled. probably missing some module, just don't know which one. |
| 22:03.44 | schme | oh home compiled. |
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| 22:04.02 | jelly | bolt: I'd ask why, but.. |
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| 22:04.10 | schme | bolt: For a debian kernel it would be the iptable_nat module. |
| 22:04.31 | schme | bolt: But if you build your own kernel you probably know if you built the NAT support as a module or not |
| 22:04.52 | schme | and how to make it load when needed. So we can go back to something else. woho. |
| 22:04.53 | jelly | and if he doesn't he can still grep NAT .config |
| 22:05.17 | Shadowcat | ick, .config |
| 22:05.24 | wintix | is there a mdadm specialist around? i have a running raid 10 software raid and would like to remove 2 hard drives, while the system is up and the raid is in use. |
| 22:05.52 | meyou | yank em |
| 22:05.53 | jelly | wintix: does your controller support hot(un)plugging? |
| 22:05.54 | meyou | that's what RAID is for |
| 22:05.59 | wintix | jelly: yes. |
| 22:06.09 | schme | wintix: then go! |
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| 22:06.19 | meyou | also, be sure you're removing the right two drives |
| 22:06.24 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 22:06.34 | wintix | meyou: the layout of a raid 10 is either two raid 1 with an overlaying raid 0 or two raid 0 with an overlaying raid 1.. |
| 22:06.38 | yareckon | always good advice |
| 22:06.50 | scifi | abrotman: this appears to be the same problem, but i dont have a dbus-launch file to check - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490345 |
| 22:06.52 | Shadowcat | how is yanking a drive in an active raid good advice? |
| 22:06.52 | wintix | unplugging two random devices will likely result int the failure of either a raid 0 or a raid 1 |
| 22:06.57 | Shadowcat | that's horrible advice |
| 22:07.03 | jelly | wintix: one of those is a raid 0+1, not raid 10 :-) |
| 22:07.14 | wintix | jelly: hm? |
| 22:07.26 | meyou | Shadowcat: that wasn't our advice, that was his demand |
| 22:07.30 | jelly | <wintix> meyou: the layout of a raid 10 is either two raid 1 with an overlaying raid 0 or two raid 0 with an overlaying raid 1.. # <-- |
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| 22:07.53 | jelly | wintix: I always forget which is 0+1 and which is 10 |
| 22:07.54 | meyou | semantics |
| 22:07.55 | yareckon | removing the right two drives is good advice, as to whether to do it immediatly, well, I usually work such things out on a napkin at least first |
| 22:08.22 | meyou | yep |
| 22:08.24 | wintix | jelly: so you think it's two raid 1 with an overlaying raid0? |
| 22:08.28 | jelly | wintix: pastebin your /proc/mdstat |
| 22:08.38 | jelly | thinks nothing |
| 22:08.40 | wintix | one moment. |
| 22:08.45 | abrotman | scifi: looking |
| 22:08.53 | RichiH | other than bash, csh, dash, fish, ksh93, tcsh and zsh, can anyone think of other major shells? |
| 22:09.07 | jelly | RichiH: fish is major? |
| 22:09.16 | meyou | explorer.exe |
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| 22:09.45 | jelly | RichiH: you're forgetting Bourne shell, and real ksh. Or does it have to be available in Debian? |
| 22:09.45 | RichiH | jelly: not really, but i thought of it and included it :) |
| 22:09.49 | abrotman | ash ? |
| 22:09.53 | abrotman | ksh? |
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| 22:10.02 | abrotman | oh .. whoops |
| 22:10.04 | RichiH | jelly: unless it's packaged, i don't care |
| 22:10.05 | wintix | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m6898b4aa |
| 22:10.08 | craigevil-eee | sash |
| 22:10.13 | yareckon | are you also the guy hardcoding the whitelist of "major" window managers for java :) |
| 22:10.33 | wintix | jelly: i would like to remove an additional drive |
| 22:10.55 | LoveGuru | abrotman: what about *ebox* ? |
| 22:11.00 | wintix | logic would dictate that i have to remove /dev/sdd but i am not quite sure |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | LoveGuru: i doubt it .. ISTR a panel like that in debian, but can't remember the name |
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| 22:11.48 | jelly | wintix: I can't tell. |
| 22:11.54 | schme | wintix: Right. Generally it is bad to remove a drive while the raid is "up" (hotplug != hotunplug), and it might result in the data loss and the system hang, but if you must you must. I'd just remove one, replace it, then another one and replace that. |
| 22:12.02 | LoveGuru | abrotman: well i check the debian page.. but can't find any info related *ebox*. ubuntu has but not debian :< |
| 22:12.05 | RichiH | hah, sash does not catch ^Z and is suspended by it |
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| 22:12.14 | schme | wintix: Logic dictates you power down ;) |
| 22:12.28 | nico__ | how users can play frozenbubble from framebuffer ? |
| 22:12.31 | RichiH | any other shells? |
| 22:12.39 | jelly | RichiH: why? |
| 22:12.59 | schme | RichiH: There's always scsh. |
| 22:13.03 | wintix | schme: i can just mdadm --manage --fail the device and then remove it. this is a highly productive server at the moment and i don't want to power it down :) |
| 22:13.06 | RichiH | jelly: i am comparing their behaviour for echo 1; sleep 10; echo 2 |
| 22:13.14 | RichiH | suspend sleep 10 and see what happens |
| 22:13.18 | stew | RichiH: posh? |
| 22:13.24 | jelly | RichiH: why? |
| 22:13.30 | abrotman | LoveGuru: oddly .. ubuntu is not debian |
| 22:13.36 | schme | wintix: Bummer that. As I said if you must you must :) |
| 22:13.37 | abrotman | scifi: is dbus-x11 installed ? |
| 22:13.47 | LoveGuru | abrotman: but. *ubuntu* isn't debian based? |
| 22:13.48 | RichiH | jelly: bug triage against zsh in BTS |
| 22:13.56 | RichiH | !based on debian |
| 22:13.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 22:14.00 | nico__ | Hi everbody ! how users can play frozenbubble from framebuffer ? |
| 22:14.04 | jelly | RichiH: zsh probably has options for that :-) |
| 22:14.12 | RichiH | jelly: it does not |
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| 22:14.15 | RichiH | yet! |
| 22:14.18 | jelly | it will |
| 22:14.20 | jelly | :-) |
| 22:14.27 | RichiH | that's what i hope |
| 22:14.35 | jelly | freakin millions of options |
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| 22:14.37 | RichiH | atm, only ksh93 does what i consider correct |
| 22:14.42 | RichiH | <3 zsh |
| 22:14.52 | LoveGuru | RichiH: ty. but same question i asked ya.. is there any utility which i can manage/configure my server by web interface? |
| 22:15.02 | LoveGuru | like *webmin or *ebox? |
| 22:15.09 | jelly | RichiH: test a real shell, like /bin/sh on HPUX or AIX or /bin/ksh on Solaris |
| 22:15.11 | LoveGuru | or anything else? sort like that. |
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| 22:15.34 | abrotman | LoveGuru: so what .. it's not debian |
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| 22:15.57 | RichiH | jelly: give a shell and i will |
| 22:16.00 | nico__ | how users can play frozenbubble from framebuffer ? |
| 22:16.00 | jelly | RichiH: bug number? |
| 22:16.03 | RichiH | jelly: or test it for me |
| 22:16.04 | bolt | jelly: good point. i actually compiled it myself to patch it to make 2.6.18 not crash my laptop when the lid was closed. however, 2.6.26 works fine in the first place. |
| 22:16.05 | scifi | abrotman: under version it says none. say i guess that means it isnt?? |
| 22:16.06 | bolt | hides |
| 22:16.16 | abrotman | scifi: try installing it |
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| 22:16.19 | LoveGuru | abrotman: i agree.. don't want to discuss about it dude.. i was just asking. what i heard about ubuntu :) |
| 22:16.22 | RichiH | 288323 |
| 22:16.26 | schme | nico__: From framebuffer? |
| 22:16.28 | jelly | that's rather old |
| 22:16.34 | schme | LoveGuru: You could just install webmin if you want it. |
| 22:16.39 | nico__ | schme: it work for root but not for user |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 22:16.45 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 22:16.45 | RichiH | jelly: i _did_ say i am triaging :) |
| 22:16.46 | wintix | jelly, schme: thanks. i think i will just simulate it with loopbackdevices |
| 22:16.47 | scifi | abrotman: wud really appreciate the cmd m8 |
| 22:17.09 | abrotman | scifi: aptitude install dbus-x11 |
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| 22:17.22 | schme | nico__: So perhaps your user does not have the access rights to do it. |
| 22:17.32 | RichiH | jelly: zshall(1) in 4.3.6 was broken and in return for packaging 4.3.9, i promised clint to triage :p |
| 22:17.37 | LoveGuru | schme: i want it though but.. i would prefare debian support it :) |
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| 22:18.02 | schme | LoveGuru: I'm sure if you volounteer to maintain the packages it will eventually work its way back into debian ;) |
| 22:18.03 | nico__ | schme: Directfb : core/vt > error opening /dev/tty0 |
| 22:18.29 | LoveGuru | schme: alright thanks :) |
| 22:18.38 | LoveGuru | abrotman: thankyou |
| 22:18.38 | eth01 | RichiH: it was hardly broken |
| 22:18.49 | RichiH | LoveGuru: although you will not like the answer, you should really learn to do it on the command line |
| 22:18.56 | abrotman | LoveGuru: i know there is one .. can't find it |
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| 22:19.00 | RichiH | (yes, i lag :p ) |
| 22:19.05 | eth01 | RichiH: it was very broken. |
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| 22:19.14 | schme | nico__: So maybe you don't have the right to open /dev/tty0 as that user. |
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| 22:19.21 | RichiH | eth01: why didn't you file a bug when you noticed, then? |
| 22:19.22 | jelly | RichiH: fg'ing back the sleep in Solaris 9 /bin/sh makes it continue and do echo 2 in the end |
| 22:19.30 | LoveGuru | RichiH: right.. by Command prompt i really get learn :) |
| 22:19.37 | nico__ | schme: how to grant this user to allow that ? |
| 22:19.40 | LoveGuru | abrotman: np man ..:) |
| 22:19.43 | LoveGuru | tx |
| 22:19.51 | Schiz0|SD | Hey. I'm setting up a system that will be used in production (web/mysql) very soon. I'm very tempted to upgrade to lenny before we officially move into a production environment. As far as I can tell, lenny is very close to becoming stable...in fact, it's frozen right now. Would this be a good idea? |
| 22:19.52 | eth01 | RichiH: oooh no - not got time for that |
| 22:19.54 | scifi | abrotman: ok it installed and found some packages that needed installing/removing, so its doing that now |
| 22:19.56 | eth01 | sadly. |
| 22:20.04 | RichiH | eth01: whatever |
| 22:20.07 | Schiz0|SD | or, a better question...would htis be a BAD idea? |
| 22:20.10 | Schiz0|SD | this* |
| 22:20.23 | RichiH | Schiz0|SD: do it |
| 22:20.36 | schme | nico__: You read up on unix file permission and such. |
| 22:20.38 | eth01 | RichiH: make it your responsbility |
| 22:20.53 | scifi | abrotman: it found 1 conflict, but gave me the choice to continue anyway, so i did |
| 22:20.58 | RichiH | eth01: _i_ am handling bugs i see responsibly |
| 22:21.03 | schme | Schiz0|SD: Is there any reason to upgrade? |
| 22:21.16 | RichiH | jelly: thanks |
| 22:21.17 | yareckon | Schiz0|SD, I would start with lenny for a new system |
| 22:21.23 | Schiz0|SD | schme: I'm using backports.org for several versions of software because I need features that are only in newer versions |
| 22:21.25 | RichiH | jelly: got access to any more shells? |
| 22:21.34 | schme | Schiz0|SD: Oh then I'd upgrade :) |
| 22:21.36 | RichiH | Schiz0|SD: use lenny |
| 22:21.37 | Schiz0|SD | schme: lenny has the versions that I need, so I wont need to use backports |
| 22:21.38 | yareckon | in fact, I'm builing one right now |
| 22:21.39 | RichiH | really |
| 22:22.01 | RichiH | has all servers on testing, all user boxes on unstable :) |
| 22:22.05 | jelly | RichiH: with /bin/ksh, sleep (in "echo 1; sleep 10; echo 2") is not suspendable with TSTP... "sleep 10" by itself is suspendable. :-) |
| 22:22.10 | abrotman | scifi: sounds like maybe you didn't complete the dist-upgrade .. but see what happens first |
| 22:22.23 | eth01 | RichiH: aha. such a shame for the recreated pkg |
| 22:22.30 | yareckon | what does RichiH do for security patches then? |
| 22:22.34 | eth01 | which did actually live up to it's expectations. |
| 22:22.36 | jelly | RichiH: should I try with kill -STOP as well? |
| 22:22.39 | yareckon | is testing now under security team? |
| 22:22.47 | RichiH | yareckon: testing has security updates |
| 22:22.57 | nico__ | schme: i can tweak by hand perm to /dev/tty but i ask for maybe a better solution |
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| 22:23.01 | scifi | abrotman: it finished the updates and epiphany now works with no error messages!! :) |
| 22:23.02 | RichiH | unstable has the fire hose |
| 22:23.03 | yareckon | hm.. don't know where I have been recently |
| 22:23.11 | abrotman | scifi: yay! |
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| 22:23.23 | Schiz0|SD | Am I right to say lenny is frozen and wil lbe stable very soon? Is there a webpage that lists the current bugs in lenny? |
| 22:23.26 | yareckon | I thought that was the trad. argument against running testing |
| 22:23.26 | Schiz0|SD | or a release timeline? |
| 22:23.27 | RichiH | jelly: heh |
| 22:23.33 | jelly | RichiH: so in essence this ksh gives an option 4) :-) |
| 22:23.33 | nico__ | schme: maybe a config file can set it |
| 22:23.35 | scifi | abrotman: i defo let the dist-upgrade complete and then rebooted...... |
| 22:23.36 | schme | nico__: I think there is some magic group you want to add your user to. |
| 22:23.36 | RichiH | jelly: bourne or ksh88? |
| 22:23.48 | jelly | RichiH: ksh88 I believe |
| 22:24.02 | nico__ | schme: yes , any magic group for tty ? |
| 22:24.07 | stew | Schiz0|SD: lenny was frozen 6 months ago. it SHOULD be released soon, but it depends on bugs being fixed. see http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 22:24.22 | scifi | abrotman: another small problem i have is, i cant hold down backspace to delete a whole sentence, as if my keyboard layout isnt quite right........ |
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| 22:24.39 | abrotman | scifi: gnome? kde? |
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| 22:25.00 | RichiH | jelly: are you sure /bin/sh on solaris is not just a symlink to ksh? |
| 22:25.06 | nico__ | schme: my /dev/tty0 is: root root crw-rw---- |
| 22:25.09 | scifi | abrotman: i remember during the upgrade it asked me to choose whether to ignore keymapping or something and i just chose the default setting... |
| 22:25.10 | jelly | RichiH: it definitely isn't |
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| 22:25.14 | RichiH | kk |
| 22:25.21 | scifi | abrotman: gnome at the moment |
| 22:25.27 | jelly | RichiH: /bin/sh on Solaris is a rather retarded piece of... pie |
| 22:25.39 | jelly | RichiH: ksh http://paste.debian.net/24709/ |
| 22:25.41 | abrotman | scifi: check the keyboard applet to see if there's a repeat setting |
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| 22:26.19 | eth01 | jelly: thats linux |
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| 22:26.38 | Supaplex | !start a shell war |
| 22:26.38 | dpkg | zsh is worse than osh |
| 22:26.47 | jelly | RichiH: /bin/sh does the "suspend the whole shell" jig |
| 22:27.00 | jelly | eth01: negative on that |
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| 22:27.14 | RichiH | 23:25:27 < jelly> RichiH: /bin/sh on Solaris is a rather retarded piece of... pie |
| 22:27.17 | scifi | abrotman: there is a repeating setting ion the keyboard preferences but that repeats letters not actions |
| 22:27.19 | RichiH | what solaris version? |
| 22:27.48 | jelly | RichiH: this one is Solaris 9. but their /bin/sh is very compatible across releases ;-) |
| 22:28.01 | jelly | (or SunOS 5.9 if you wish) |
| 22:28.10 | RichiH | 23:19:22 < jelly> RichiH: fg'ing back the sleep in Solaris 9 /bin/sh makes it continue and do echo 2 in the end |
| 22:28.25 | RichiH | so, does it suspend the command chain or the whole shell? |
| 22:28.31 | jelly | RichiH: yeah, I wasn't looking what it was continuing that time |
| 22:28.36 | RichiH | ah |
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| 22:28.39 | jelly | the whole shell |
| 22:28.51 | Wiz_KeeD | can someone please tell me how i can erase the commands entered by root? |
| 22:28.57 | Wiz_KeeD | the command history or whatever it's called? |
| 22:29.01 | meyou | haha |
| 22:29.03 | scifi | abrotman: im gonna switch off for the night, ty very much for all the help |
| 22:29.07 | abrotman | scifi: isn't that hwat you mean ? |
| 22:29.09 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:29.15 | jelly | Wiz_KeeD: nope, we don't know either! |
| 22:29.18 | nico__ | Wiz_KeeD: with bash ? |
| 22:29.26 | meyou | rm /root/.bash_history |
| 22:29.33 | RichiH | uh... |
| 22:29.39 | RichiH | that's a very brute force way |
| 22:29.42 | Wiz_KeeD | like sarcasm would help someone asking for a hand... |
| 22:29.48 | RichiH | also, it won't work ;) |
| 22:29.48 | nico__ | Wiz_KeeD: ln -s /dev/null /rot/.bash_history |
| 22:29.50 | Supaplex | Wiz_KeeD: help history |
| 22:29.54 | Wiz_KeeD | claps and is amazed by jelly's inteligence |
| 22:30.00 | nico__ | or do a blackhole with mknode |
| 22:30.02 | scifi | abrotman: no i mean if i hold down backspace or spacebar or left or right keys, nothing happens, it will move one space then stop |
| 22:30.13 | jelly | Wiz_KeeD: hey, you're the one with kiddie nick asking for root-evading questions |
| 22:30.29 | RichiH | Wiz_KeeD: exit the shell and edit the history file with nano (not emacs or vim!) |
| 22:30.37 | nico__ | How to play FrozenBubble from FrameBuffer ? |
| 22:30.40 | abrotman | scifi: oh .. that sounds like a window manager setting like metacity or sawfish |
| 22:30.40 | Wiz_KeeD | i was asking a simple question for personal use |
| 22:30.42 | nico__ | with User |
| 22:30.57 | Wiz_KeeD | but seems you are too much of a retard to be polite and need to jump to conclusion like you are superior |
| 22:31.02 | Wiz_KeeD | thanks guys |
| 22:31.02 | meyou | rm /root/.bash_history works nicely |
| 22:31.11 | Wiz_KeeD | i think i can handle it now |
| 22:31.11 | Wiz_KeeD | thanks |
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| 22:31.38 | Supaplex | Wiz_KeeD: your simple question has at least meaning in two contexts I'm aware of. Do you mean previous to this invocation of the shell history, or this invocation? or simply not saving history on exit, but permitting it in memory? |
| 22:31.49 | nico__ | how to set permition with magic'group to /edv/tty ?? |
| 22:32.00 | nico__ | */dev/tty ?? |
| 22:32.06 | Wiz_KeeD | it's the first |
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| 22:33.28 | meyou | hmm |
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| 22:33.40 | meyou | i see two directories in my home folder that seem to be owned by user 500 and 502, respectively |
| 22:33.42 | Macjust | How can i known the size of a bloc in octets ? |
| 22:33.59 | meyou | is this the result of a fatfingered chmod or are those builtin users/groups in debian? |
| 22:34.06 | meyou | *chown |
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| 22:34.13 | Wiz_KeeD | it seems that it's the other one |
| 22:34.35 | Wiz_KeeD | i deleted the contents of bash history put previous entered commands pop-up when i press up |
| 22:34.43 | meyou | login, logout |
| 22:34.51 | linkslice | got an etch server I'm trying to set up apache2 with ssl, but I seem to be missing the apache2-ssl-certificate script, did I skip something somewhere? apache is up and running so I know that's installed correctly... |
| 22:34.53 | jelly | Wiz_KeeD: while there's some truth in the feeling superior part, I find the need to ask such a question highly suspicious. |
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| 22:35.53 | Assid | my stupid system is having a major clock skew |
| 22:36.05 | Assid | it gains 0.2 odd seconds per second |
| 22:36.20 | abrotman | what about the even seconds? |
| 22:36.21 | jelly | Assid: ew. |
| 22:36.47 | jelly | Assid: real hardware or virtualized? |
| 22:36.47 | linkslice | Assid, ntp doing it or is that the system clock? |
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| 22:37.46 | Mardeni | np Sign of The SKYNET! |
| 22:37.52 | Assid | system clock .. real hardware.. however it houses openvz containers.. and SUPPORTS KVM (no live kvm atm tho) |
| 22:38.55 | Supaplex | Assid: sounds like you need a better clock, or a different driver. what's the system load? |
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| 22:39.00 | tadzik_ | hello there |
| 22:39.04 | Mardeni | have You thought that if the computers some time will overtake us :P and what is the operation system of those comp who do so? and what are those prosessors they use :D |
| 22:39.05 | jelly | Assid: does it also support (and have enabled) frequency scaling? I hear that can throw ntpd off. |
| 22:39.10 | Assid | Supaplex: absolutely zilch.. not being used atm |
| 22:39.18 | tadzik_ | any slim user who can send me /etc/init.d/slim file? |
| 22:39.21 | tadzik_ | I'm quite in need |
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| 22:39.34 | Supaplex | !tell tadzik_ -about confmiss |
| 22:39.43 | Assid | jelly: dont think i have freq. scaling enabled.. unless lenny has it on |
| 22:40.02 | tadzik_ | Supaplex: wrong |
| 22:40.07 | jelly | Assid: the base system doesn't, but your BIOS might. |
| 22:40.17 | tadzik_ | I don't even use debian. I just need this file, alright? |
| 22:40.36 | schme | tadzik_: So grab it from debian.org |
| 22:40.37 | Assid | oh btw.. im uising the 64bit lenny |
| 22:40.50 | tadzik_ | schme: I'll search |
| 22:41.01 | Supaplex | tadzik_: init.d files are conf files. why. oh, in that case use packages.debian.org ar -x .deb and grab it from the data.tar.gz |
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| 22:41.35 | jelly | !Supaplex++ |
| 22:41.57 | Assid | jelly: its a remote dedicated server,.. and i honestly dont thihk it used to do that before i got lenny loaded thre |
| 22:42.12 | Assid | but then i was running 32 bit back then |
| 22:42.16 | tadzik_ | Supaplex: thank you |
| 22:42.19 | jelly | Assid: I've seen completely bonkers hwclocks on HP Proliant machines |
| 22:42.39 | meyou | 20% fast is ridiculous though |
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| 22:43.11 | jelly | Assid: had to "fix" by dropping ntpd completely and running ntpdate from cron ;-) |
| 22:43.12 | Assid | yeah |
| 22:43.39 | Assid | jelly: i stopped ntp daemon.. but its still gaining those seconds like crazy |
| 22:44.17 | jelly | Assid: what does adjtimex -c -i 70 say? |
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| 22:44.57 | Assid | WARNING: CMOS time is 30.77 min behind system clock |
| 22:45.36 | jelly | Assid: so CMOS might be okayish, but Linux is going crazy |
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| 22:45.42 | bolt | does specifying "apm=power-off" as a boot parameter not work when apm is compiled as a module? |
| 22:45.52 | jelly | Assid: and make it -i 10, not 70 |
| 22:45.54 | yareckon | funny |
| 22:46.13 | Assid | jelly: i just added another param to grub and rebooted.. let it come up will try |
| 22:46.47 | jelly | aways anyway |
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| 22:47.51 | valdyn | bolt: probably not, make it a module paremeter.. |
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| 22:49.05 | Supaplex | browser password caching for the win. |
| 22:49.13 | Supaplex | hasn't used this site in about a year |
| 22:49.14 | Assid | jelly: pastebin? |
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| 22:49.53 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d3bb89f0f |
| 22:49.55 | Assid | there |
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| 22:50.37 | valdyn | bolt: nm, the docs are quite explicit about this boing boot time kernel options |
| 22:50.58 | Assid | still doesnt work |
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| 22:53.33 | Assid | okay will check this tomorrow |
| 22:53.35 | Assid | need sleep |
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| 22:54.22 | tadzik_ | hello again : ) |
| 22:54.51 | Siyabulela | system freezes with no given reason in any log file. Does that indicate hardware problems or not? |
| 22:55.04 | anabain | hi, do you know how to enter any unicode character specifying the hex code? in w$ is pretty straightforward, but I haven't found anything similar in debian... |
| 22:55.30 | valdyn | Siyabulela: that indicates just problems, nothing else |
| 22:55.36 | Siyabulela | valdyn: tx |
| 22:55.58 | bolt | valdyn: any idea how i can get it working, then? on my homecompiled 2.6.18 kernel, apm was not a module, and apm=power-off as a kernel option worked. now i use a debian 2.6.26 and apm=power-off and putting apm in /etc/modules doesn't switch it off |
| 22:56.00 | die8 | Siyabulela: check your cpu temp |
| 22:56.09 | Siyabulela | I've tried different kernels, putting syslog into mysql via syslog-ng etc etc |
| 22:56.14 | Siyabulela | die8: I wish I could |
| 22:56.29 | valdyn | bolt: wont hurt to try the module parameter thing |
| 22:56.32 | Siyabulela | sensors-detect doesn't see my hw |
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| 22:56.55 | die8 | Siyabulela: what says your fingers |
| 22:57.11 | Siyabulela | apparently should be fixed in 2.6.27 but compiling that by hand didn't help at all to get sensors working |
| 22:57.24 | Siyabulela | die8: not much as I can't touch it |
| 22:57.46 | Siyabulela | sadly I'm not able to open up the box and leave it lying around for a week to see it it's that |
| 22:57.52 | Siyabulela | should be very cool |
| 22:58.06 | die8 | Siyabulela: what a kind of pc you have |
| 22:58.12 | Siyabulela | the 3 SATA disks average 33 to 41C |
| 22:58.34 | Siyabulela | epia SN10000EG |
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| 22:58.46 | Siyabulela | hence the sensors problem :( |
| 22:58.52 | Siyabulela | overwise very happy with it |
| 22:59.19 | Texou | hi |
| 22:59.30 | Siyabulela | hd's are thermally separated so don't think I can use that temp as any indication... |
| 22:59.39 | bolt | valdyn: heh. that did it :) thanks |
| 22:59.56 | Texou | since I've upgraded to kernel 2..6.26-1-amd64, I get http://pastebin.com/m6d0ecb56 frequently. An idea why please? |
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| 23:01.02 | Siyabulela | I tried watchdog but don't know how to get the hardware watchdog working |
| 23:01.12 | Mardeni | http://koti.mbnet.fi/marden70/cia/Mikko-Eno.jpg |
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| 23:01.36 | Siyabulela | so am using software option with monitoring of lan reachability (doesn't help so far) |
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| 23:03.02 | Macjust | How can i known the size of a blocK in octets ? |
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| 23:09.15 | tarzeau | Macjust: units can help? |
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| 23:10.45 | Supaplex | google even has native support for some units |
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| 23:13.34 | inertia- | how do i tell make where additional header files are? |
| 23:15.19 | Supaplex | inertia-: what are you building? |
| 23:15.41 | inertia- | Supaplex: vim 7.2 with mzscheme, i have scheme.h in /usr/local/include/plt but make cannot see it |
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| 23:16.24 | Supaplex | humm. with mzscheme. apt-get build-dep vim to start, but otherwise -I for include paths iirc. |
| 23:16.39 | Supaplex | not so sure about the involvement for mzscheme :) |
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| 23:23.07 | fdsafd | Hi! Does anyone know when lenny will be released? Is there already something known? |
| 23:23.55 | Supaplex | well, not besides the typical !wwlr |
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| 23:24.15 | abrotman | fdsafd: WIR SIYH |
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| 23:29.31 | grummund | is looking for suggested scheme(s) to manage server configs, is svn good for this? |
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| 23:30.10 | grummund | e.g. make customisation to the config of bind/exim/whatever on one box and then be able to easily apply the same or similar customisation on another box |
| 23:30.18 | tarzeau | we use dphys-config |
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| 23:30.47 | tarzeau | you can find some info on it at wiki.debian.org/Enterprise |
| 23:31.37 | nsadmin | want to find a backport-to-etch of qtractor |
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| 23:31.45 | grummund | thanks i'll take a look |
| 23:31.48 | tarzeau | nsadmin: make it yourself? |
| 23:32.02 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed the NVidia Legacy Drivers on Lenny (pre-built) as described on the wiki or in the dpkg bot (/msg dpkg nvidia pre-built). When restarting Xorg, I recieve the following error: "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel modle!". How do I proceed? My graphics card is GeForce 4 MX440 |
| 23:32.15 | nsadmin | I'm happy to do that... but is there one already? |
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| 23:32.50 | nsadmin | I searched on p.d.o and found it in lenny and sid |
| 23:34.07 | nsadmin | Jemt: first look in the log for any further details which would point to why it failed |
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| 23:35.48 | bolt | my .Xresources contains a line like: "*.font: -*-terminus-medium-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" but xterm does not use this. however, if I launch xterm saying "xterm -fn -*-terminus-medium-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" it does use the font. why? |
| 23:35.52 | Jemt | nsadmin: That's the very first (EE) entry in the log. But I was surprised to find that I couldn't do 'modprobe nvidia' - it returns "Module nvidia not found" |
| 23:36.30 | sajes | bolt: You need to do xrdb -load .Xresources |
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| 23:36.49 | nsadmin | jemt did you do some activity that produced a debian package? |
| 23:37.15 | Jemt | nsadmin: No, I didn't use Module Assistant if that's what you mean :) |
| 23:37.45 | Jemt | nsadmin: I did what '/msg dpkg nvidia pre-built' describes - except I used the legacy-96xx series driver |
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| 23:38.29 | nsadmin | at any point did you run: dpkg -i something.deb |
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| 23:38.58 | jelly-home | bolt: *.font: ? |
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| 23:39.12 | bolt | sajes: no effect |
| 23:39.17 | bolt | jelly: yes. it used to work... |
| 23:39.40 | sajes | bolt: Works For Me(TM). :) |
| 23:40.06 | Jemt | nsadmin: No, I didn't |
| 23:40.16 | Jemt | nsadmin: I only did 'aptitude install ...' |
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| 23:40.40 | nsadmin | so you installed nvidia-kernel-2.6-somethign |
| 23:40.52 | jelly-home | bolt: have you tried loading the contents of the file into the running database manually? |
| 23:41.03 | bolt | jelly-home: the intention is to cover both xterm.vt100.font and xterm.vt100.utf8fonts.font |
| 23:41.05 | grummund | tarzeau: do you know if dphys-config suitable for where the box comes pre-installed with debian minimal system, as with rented server hosting? |
| 23:41.07 | jelly-home | bolt: xrdb -merge filename |
| 23:41.26 | tarzeau | grummund: i guess so, if you don't have a firewall blocking http access |
| 23:41.46 | tarzeau | grummund: but it's easy to replace the transport of data with for example rsync or whatever you prefer |
| 23:41.50 | Jemt | nsadmin: This is what I did: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686 nvidia-settings nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx. Then I modified xorg.conf; I added 'Driver "nvidia"' to the Device section, and created a Module section with a 'Load "glx"' entry - that's it |
| 23:42.00 | grummund | tarzeau: ah ok. it runs as a service itself... (?) |
| 23:42.03 | bolt | jelly-home: exited with 0. but still no effect :/ |
| 23:42.05 | tarzeau | grummund: no |
| 23:42.11 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
| 23:42.18 | jelly-home | bolt: eh, I used xterm before this newfangled utf-8 stuff |
| 23:42.19 | tarzeau | grummund: please read the docs, it just downloads the config files and does what they say. very easy |
| 23:42.24 | tarzeau | grummund: look at the examples please |
| 23:42.26 | bolt | jelly-home: this all happened as an effect of me changing my locale to utf-8 |
| 23:42.33 | grummund | yeah i am... thanks |
| 23:42.37 | Jemt | nsadmin: http://jemt.frac.dk/xorg.conf <= This is the configuration file |
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| 23:42.47 | jelly-home | bolt: you are aware you have to run a new xterm to test it, right? Just checking |
| 23:42.55 | bolt | jelly-home: yep :) |
| 23:42.57 | nsadmin | I don't need that yet... |
| 23:43.09 | Jemt | nsadmin: Ok, just thought it might help :) |
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| 23:44.24 | bolt | I can't see how the locale could possibly screw this up. hm.. |
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| 23:44.30 | nsadmin | it might... but here's what I'm thinking: somehow insmod/modprobe won't pick up the module... so, either you need to do a depmod -a or you've installed the nvidia driver for a different kernel |
| 23:44.40 | nsadmin | so need your uname -r |
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| 23:45.17 | gsamsa | hi |
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| 23:45.37 | gsamsa | i have a new monitor |
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| 23:45.44 | gsamsa | how do i use it? |
| 23:45.44 | petur | Hello, im having problems with dpkg : http://pastebin.com/dc7b80fa |
| 23:45.48 | nsadmin | i have a new pony |
| 23:46.00 | nsadmin | it's shitting all over the place~~! |
| 23:46.53 | Jemt | nsadmin: uname -r : 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:46.56 | gsamsa | nsadmin: clean it with your tongue then |
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| 23:47.29 | nsadmin | gsamsa: oh how fun that will be... actually let me borrow yours... |
| 23:47.34 | nsadmin | seriously... |
| 23:48.04 | nsadmin | what kind of monitor |
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| 23:48.22 | gsamsa | it's a laptop |
| 23:48.35 | gsamsa | and the monitor is a normal one |
| 23:48.39 | gsamsa | vga :p |
| 23:48.43 | dmoerner | anyone know why my emacs has started looking like this http://www.linuxworld.com/graphics/2006/LW1Flymake.gif instead of like this http://www.oreillynet.com/users/files/45261/emacs22-x11-small.png |
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| 23:48.52 | dmoerner | it's a fresh install and i have emacs22-gtk |
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| 23:48.57 | gsamsa | is there a tool to do it easily? the card is nvidia |
| 23:49.03 | nsadmin | well I'm guessing you just plug it in and it'll work |
| 23:49.14 | Jemt | nsadmin: The packages I installed seems to match my kernel version, right? :) |
| 23:49.20 | gsamsa | it's not working |
| 23:49.24 | nsadmin | seems to yes |
| 23:49.56 | nsadmin | Jemt: do you have the pastebin pipe thing installed? |
| 23:50.21 | bolt | jelly-home: this is strange. found a description of the exact same bug from 2004. http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/09/msg00150.html |
| 23:50.30 | Jemt | nsadmin: Nope. But I can do uploads, so I can pipe data to a text file and put it on my web hotel |
| 23:50.40 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:52.38 | Jemt | nsadmin: Any particurlar data that could be helpful ? |
| 23:52.46 | Jemt | particular* |
| 23:53.02 | nsadmin | so, put (ls -C /lib/modules ; echo "-----=====-----" ; dpkg -L nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686) in a file, and upload that |
| 23:53.36 | nsadmin | you'll need those parens |
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| 23:54.21 | Supaplex | subshell for the win |
| 23:54.24 | Jemt | nsadmin: Okay |
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| 23:54.53 | bolt | jelly-home: so I added a specific xterm*font in addition to my *font and it works... *bangs head on desk* |
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| 23:55.54 | jelly-home | bolt: yay! |
| 23:56.14 | Gm4n | what's a good dedicated server host? I remember a discussion on my hosting coming up in here, and some german hosting provider was better... |
| 23:56.39 | bolt | xterm probably needed a little "yes, it's utf-8 now, but this line still means you" |
| 23:57.01 | Jemt | nsadmin: http://jemt.frac.dk/nsadmin.txt |
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| 23:58.07 | Jemt | nsadmin: The module seems to be there; /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
| 23:58.14 | nsadmin | ok |
| 23:58.19 | nsadmin | run depmod -a |
| 23:58.23 | Jemt | Ok |
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| 23:58.41 | Jemt | nsadmin: Done - no output |
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| 23:58.46 | nsadmin | see if it inserts after that |
| 23:58.55 | Jemt | ok |
| 23:58.59 | nsadmin | I guess modprobe nvidia |
| 23:59.06 | Jemt | nsadmin: It did :D |
| 23:59.15 | nsadmin | so, that's a change? |
| 23:59.35 | nsadmin | it didn't before, and it jsut now did? |
| 23:59.39 | Jemt | Yes, the module could be located before, when running 'modprobe nvidia' |
| 23:59.52 | Jemt | Yes, 'depmod -a' seems to have made some changes |
