| 00:00.10 | Jemt | Let me try restarting gdm now :) |
| 00:00.26 | Jemt | Wow, I think it works. Let me check Direct rendering |
| 00:00.34 | nsadmin | did you mean "Yes, the module *could not* be located before? |
| 00:00.54 | Jemt | nsadmin: Before we ran 'depmod -a', the module could NOT be loaded. Now it CAN :) |
| 00:01.32 | nsadmin | ok, cool. so: you installed the right package, it did install the driver, and when you ran depmod -a, it rebuilt the module index |
| 00:01.33 | Jemt | Sorry, I missed out "NOT" before |
| 00:01.45 | Jemt | Yes, so it seems :) |
| 00:02.01 | Jemt | Thank you so much, nsadmin. I'm adding this information to the Wiki and dpkg |
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| 00:02.38 | nsadmin | btw, while restarts of the whole machine isn't necessary, a restart would run depmod -a |
| 00:03.12 | Jemt | nsadmin: I did restart the machine just to make sure, but that didn't fix it. Could be a bug in Lenny (?) |
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| 00:04.06 | nsadmin | so what could have happened perhaps, is didn't work didn't work didn't work (give up for a few days) (restart for some other reason) (still gived up) (oh shit I'll try it again) works for some mysterious reason! |
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| 00:04.56 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it teaches patience |
| 00:04.59 | nsadmin | hmm, depmod is not run at boot? |
| 00:05.19 | nsadmin | and instills confusion... |
| 00:05.25 | nsadmin | I like to know why it works :) |
| 00:05.31 | aoliveira | nsadmin: what? |
| 00:06.06 | nsadmin | Jemt: so what's your status? |
| 00:06.07 | nevr | Im trying to upgrade from etch to lenny because I need a newer version of GTK, I get this error message http://pastebin.com/m7d43a4cd. Google does not give any help, anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:06.10 | Malf | It's one of the many mysteries of the gnu |
| 00:06.22 | Jemt | nsadmin: Installing mesa-utils so I can check direct rendering |
| 00:06.28 | Jemt | Just a second, almost there |
| 00:06.33 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:06.37 | Jemt | I had to do update my repositories first |
| 00:06.41 | Jemt | -do |
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| 00:07.19 | Jemt | glxinfo says I have Direct Rendering, and glxgears run smoothly :D |
| 00:07.44 | stoned | hi |
| 00:08.00 | nsadmin | wellthen... you seem to be good :) |
| 00:08.03 | Jemt | The Wiki dosn't say that I have to modprobe the 'drm' module though - does the 'nvidia' module depend on 'drm', and load it automatically ? |
| 00:08.03 | stoned | don't ever eat burgur king! |
| 00:08.08 | stoned | ever. |
| 00:08.29 | Jemt | nsadmin: I sure am. Thank you very much. This thing had me going crazy :) |
| 00:08.29 | nsadmin | I just came back from burgermeister |
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| 00:08.40 | schme_ | !ot |
| 00:08.40 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:09.03 | stoned | !smack schme_ |
| 00:09.04 | dpkg | smacks schme_ upside the head. |
| 00:09.04 | nsadmin | hey, burgers are always on topic! |
| 00:09.30 | nsadmin | it's thick rich chocolate milkshakes that are usually not |
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| 00:10.24 | nsadmin | and see's candies are =really= far off topic! |
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| 00:12.37 | Jemt | Hehe :) |
| 00:13.23 | nsadmin | watches in horror as half the channel crams into the nearest see's... |
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| 00:19.04 | karsten | Damn! I missed the candy. |
| 00:19.13 | X1938--- | at last :) |
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| 00:19.41 | nsadmin | TheOnly: make up your mind! cigar or no cigar! |
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| 00:20.04 | TheOnly | sry about that |
| 00:20.18 | TheOnly | i had a few connection hickups |
| 00:20.20 | karsten | nsadmin: He's sticking his tail out at us. |
| 00:20.31 | nsadmin | oh, reverse cigar |
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| 00:21.04 | TheOnly | nay |
| 00:21.05 | karsten | nsadmin: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. |
| 00:21.23 | nsadmin | freudian slippage! |
| 00:21.36 | X1938--- | got cron to keep a ./process alive for 30 days and to kill it on the 30th day with 2 dif. cronjobs |
| 00:21.45 | X1938--- | but is there any other way to do this? |
| 00:21.57 | nsadmin | probably |
| 00:22.09 | nsadmin | you could code it into the process |
| 00:22.20 | X1938--- | nice ;) |
| 00:22.41 | X1938--- | the 2nd cronjob is just kill -9 `ps -u test -o "pid="` |
| 00:23.10 | X1938--- | well im killing all of them not just the process ,hehe |
| 00:23.43 | valdyn | X1938---: this is probably easier with atd |
| 00:24.17 | nsadmin | maybe you could fork off them all from one process which is left to monitor them, and tells them all to exit |
| 00:24.46 | valdyn | X1938---: and why the hell are you using kill -9 ? |
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| 00:25.48 | nsadmin | oh, almost forgot... I'm trying to use alsa sequencer, and getting message saying /dev/snd/seq not exist |
| 00:25.57 | nsadmin | how do I troubleshoot that |
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| 00:26.07 | X1938--- | valdyn : and whats wrong with that ? |
| 00:26.24 | valdyn | X1938---: do you understand what it does? |
| 00:26.33 | X1938--- | if psybnc is running on the user i want it dead |
| 00:26.40 | X1938--- | force |
| 00:27.04 | valdyn | !sigkill |
| 00:27.05 | dpkg | sigkill are you sure you want to use kill -9? What's wrong with -15, -2 and -1? See http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter |
| 00:28.03 | X1938--- | well well , thx for the tip |
| 00:28.05 | X1938--- | ill give it a try |
| 00:28.43 | stoned | pkill -i init |
| 00:28.51 | stoned | -9 damit my keybord sucks balls |
| 00:29.04 | stoned | j/k |
| 00:29.07 | stoned | do not do that |
| 00:29.15 | nsadmin | your fingers aren't long enough |
| 00:30.27 | X1938--- | "atd - run jobs queued for later execution " |
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| 00:30.43 | X1938--- | valdyn : do i have to keep it alive with cron ? |
| 00:31.31 | valdyn | X1938---: you could just start it without cron |
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| 00:32.25 | valdyn | X1938---: then something like "echo killall processname | at now+30day ( or somesuch ) |
| 00:33.00 | X1938--- | valdyn : processname or number ? |
| 00:33.15 | valdyn | X1938---: killall works on names, kill on pids |
| 00:34.31 | X1938--- | valdy : but cron could do the same , why atd ? |
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| 00:35.23 | valdyn | X1938---: no special reason, do what you prefer |
| 00:35.38 | X1938--- | ill check it anyways |
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| 00:38.08 | X1938--- | valdyn : could atd be setup to alert the user before it takes action ? |
| 00:38.19 | X1938--- | as in email.. |
| 00:38.38 | valdyn | X1938---: you can run whatever jobs you can code |
| 00:38.44 | X1938--- | this is going to to include some scripting if im going to end up using cron for this |
| 00:38.53 | X1938--- | hmmm |
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| 00:45.49 | Jono` | hmm |
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| 00:46.34 | robert83a5 | hello, I've created the following debian 4.0 , bind9 http://pastebin.com/m44ca0158 , it pings www.euportal.edu.yu and ftp.euportal.edu.yu , fine, what do I need to add in order to be able to ping euportal.edu.yu and resolv to same ip ? currently it does not resolve. |
| 00:47.48 | meyou | euportal.edu.yu IN A ip.goes.here.bro |
| 00:47.51 | meyou | err |
| 00:47.56 | meyou | euportal.edu.yu. IN A ip.goes.here.bro |
| 00:48.00 | robert83a5 | oh right , thank you :) |
| 00:48.07 | meyou | np |
| 00:48.26 | robert83a5 | got one extra euportal there (euportal.euportal.edu.yu) |
| 00:48.40 | meyou | well if that wasn't intended |
| 00:48.47 | meyou | you're going to want to change those CNAMES also |
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| 00:49.07 | meyou | cause right now they're referring to euportal.euportal.edu.yu. |
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| 00:49.20 | robert83a5 | oh |
| 00:49.23 | meyou | here let me edit your pastebin |
| 00:49.25 | meyou | 1sec |
| 00:49.30 | robert83a5 | ok thank you |
| 00:49.59 | meyou | http://pastebin.com/d5661ad7c |
| 00:50.27 | robert83a5 | thankyou! very very much! |
| 00:50.36 | meyou | np |
| 00:51.04 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone tell me what is wrong with my udev which is supposed to create symbolic links to the partitions on a USB stick with a given serial number? KERNEL=="sd*", BUS=="usb" SYSFS{serial}=="xyz...", SYMLINK+="usbhdd%n" |
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| 00:51.29 | Jemt | Oh, bummer. I just found a typo >.< |
| 00:51.32 | Jemt | never mind |
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| 00:52.58 | bolt | how should I make my system run unicode in the console on boot? is there a place where /usr/bin/unicode_start is supposed to go or something? |
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| 00:55.44 | Jono` | anyone had experience with ssl certs? |
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| 00:56.20 | unixSnob | Suppose I have kernel 2.6.25-2, and I run aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-amd64.... will it install in *parallel* to 2.6.25-2? |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | yes, it will install both |
| 00:57.07 | bolt | unixSnob: you will be able to run both |
| 00:57.22 | unixSnob | cool! thanks |
| 00:58.46 | simonrvn | bolt: i run it in ~/.zlogin |
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| 00:59.12 | simonrvn | better place probably in .zprofile or .zshenv |
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| 01:06.11 | bolt | simonrvn: that seems to work very well. thanks |
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| 01:10.02 | scientes | why dont package pages link to package homepages? |
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| 01:11.34 | abrotman | link where? |
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| 01:12.29 | avu | scientes, they do in cases where the packages have their homepage field set... |
| 01:12.37 | KiDFlaSh | how is the packagename for flash 10 in iceweasel? |
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| 01:12.46 | scientes | ah |
| 01:13.05 | avu | KiDFlaSh, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:13.16 | KiDFlaSh | its 10? |
| 01:13.24 | avu | in sid it is, yes |
| 01:13.26 | simonrvn | bolt: :) |
| 01:13.26 | scientes | KiDFlaSh, you can also download the x64 flash so directly from adobe |
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| 01:13.44 | KiDFlaSh | and in testing? |
| 01:13.45 | avu | lenny doesn't have it at all |
| 01:13.48 | avu | lenny doesn't have it at all |
| 01:13.55 | KiDFlaSh | but i had it |
| 01:13.58 | KiDFlaSh | before |
| 01:14.12 | avu | so? |
| 01:14.15 | KiDFlaSh | multimedia repo |
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| 01:14.25 | abrotman | use your words |
| 01:14.43 | KiDFlaSh | ? |
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| 01:17.32 | simonrvn | !tell KiDFlaSh -about dmm |
| 01:18.08 | KiDFlaSh | i installed it now |
| 01:18.16 | KiDFlaSh | but it dont work |
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| 01:21.49 | KiDFlaSh | !flashplayer |
| 01:21.49 | dpkg | i heard flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 01:22.06 | KiDFlaSh | !adobe flash |
| 01:22.06 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: MSG THE BOT |
| 01:22.37 | KiDFlaSh | !adobe flash testing |
| 01:22.37 | dpkg | If you want Adobe Flash for "testing", then you will need to install the package from unstable (See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291#37). Ask me about <adobe flash> for why it is not in stable or testing any more, or ask me about <flash> for free implementations that don't have this problem. Alternatively, use the flashplayer-mozilla package from debian-multimedia.org. |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | you've been told numerous times |
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| 01:24.11 | unixSnob | KiDFlaSh: check out gnash |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | don't bother |
| 01:24.40 | unixSnob | gnash won't work with youtube, but it's okay on other pages |
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| 01:24.50 | akio | I was wondering how I would go about finding what is listening on a port? netstat doesn't show it even as root... |
| 01:24.54 | KiDFlaSh | i need it for you tube |
| 01:24.56 | KiDFlaSh | :/ |
| 01:25.12 | abrotman | unixSnob: gnash does "work" with youtube here |
| 01:25.20 | abrotman | akio: fuser -n tcp <portnum> |
| 01:25.26 | KiDFlaSh | how can i get, flash from experimental? |
| 01:25.27 | akio | ty abrotman |
| 01:26.04 | akio | it's actually udp |
| 01:26.15 | akio | I got no dice, will read up on fuser |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | akio: fuser does udp also |
| 01:27.18 | akio | strange, no output |
| 01:27.18 | unixSnob | interesting.. I just installed the etch 4.0r6 and gnash w/ iceweasel, and youtube is broken |
| 01:27.25 | KiDFlaSh | yes |
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| 01:27.29 | unixSnob | I get a message about not having javascript enabled |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | i wasn't using etch |
| 01:27.36 | KiDFlaSh | my youtube dont work with it eitther |
| 01:27.38 | unixSnob | (and I do in fact have javascript) |
| 01:27.47 | KiDFlaSh | i wasnt using etch too |
| 01:27.47 | unixSnob | hmm.. maybe that's my problem |
| 01:28.06 | KiDFlaSh | flash dont work |
| 01:28.08 | KiDFlaSh | Oo |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | judd: versions gnash |
| 01:28.21 | judd | abrotman: gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.4-2 sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | and gnash isn't even in etch ... |
| 01:28.37 | unixSnob | flash is such a pathetic technology |
| 01:28.37 | akio | when I do fuser -n tcp 3689 it works fine, no dice with udp and 41322 |
| 01:28.48 | unixSnob | abrotman: i grabbed it from backports |
| 01:28.59 | KiDFlaSh | can it be that i have the shockwave flash 9.0 r100 |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | if flash is so pathetic, why would you isntall gnash ? |
| 01:29.07 | KiDFlaSh | it interfere? |
| 01:30.00 | magyar | i need to setup a ipsec server on etch, which server package can i use? |
| 01:30.01 | KiDFlaSh | i cant remove this fucking old flash |
| 01:30.01 | pipeline | akio: netstat -pant |
| 01:30.21 | pipeline | akio: -p and -a are the magic |
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| 01:30.29 | pipeline | akio: those are of course linux-specific options |
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| 01:31.17 | unixSnob | abrotman: gnash is just to manage the problem. ideally I would create a blacklist that bans all flash web pages, and then compell the masses to adopt the blacklist |
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| 01:31.43 | KiDFlaSh | guys, how i remove shockwave flash 9.00 r100? |
| 01:31.52 | maledictvm | Greetings. |
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| 01:32.39 | akio | when I do a netstat -l --protocol=inet, i get a port that doesn't show up in pant. The real problem is that the network resource monitor for gnome is all jacked up and I have no real way of knowing what is doing it. |
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| 01:33.00 | akio | lots of incoming traffic |
| 01:33.18 | akio | and i don't want to sort through using wireshark, too bloated |
| 01:33.30 | akio | the netstat -pant was beautiful |
| 01:33.32 | KiDFlaSh | nobody noes? |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | knows |
| 01:33.51 | unixSnob | KiDFlaSh: my advice is to boycott flash entirely |
| 01:33.55 | simonrvn | nose |
| 01:34.06 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 01:34.25 | abrotman | unixSnob: you don't .. how can you say that |
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| 01:34.46 | Gekz | is there a way I can supress anything that isnt an error by sysvinit? |
| 01:34.46 | akio | I saw tcptrack and some other http based analyzers, but i wanted something like a netstat -pant + top |
| 01:34.56 | Gekz | I dont like how random INFO level messages make the screen ugly |
| 01:35.52 | akio | pipeline: it would seem you know how to most efficiently observe this type of thing... |
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| 01:36.06 | akio | what do you do? |
| 01:36.16 | unixSnob | abrotman: flash is such a piece of garbage.. no backward compatibility, and obsessive compulsive new versions being created that break other things |
| 01:36.30 | abrotman | but you still install a way to view it |
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| 01:37.00 | KiDFlaSh | how can i remove shockwave flash 9.00 r100 thats is originatly installed on debian |
| 01:37.05 | akio | unixSnob: I agree, but practicality and principles often do not get along. |
| 01:37.10 | unixSnob | abrotman: that's for the gotchas.. web pages that i don't know in advance are crippled with flash content |
| 01:37.23 | unixSnob | I generally avoid flash sites if I know they have flash |
| 01:37.25 | cesar_bo | Hello, I am doing a package .deb, Anyone knows How can I fix the permissions after install the .deb ? |
| 01:38.01 | unixSnob | akio: true, but gnash is the best compromise out there between practicality and principles.. at least it's open |
| 01:38.27 | akio | unfortunately I haven't given it a decent chance yet. |
| 01:38.48 | akio | I remember using early versions and it was just painful. |
| 01:39.20 | akio | I know that it has come a long way, and I can't wait to not have to worry about it being nonfree |
| 01:39.30 | akio | flash functionality that is |
| 01:40.12 | akio | unixSnob: how do you observe network traffic frequency per service/program? |
| 01:40.15 | simonrvn | um, flash is open spec, just adobe's crap and most common writers aren't |
| 01:40.27 | akio | really? |
| 01:40.35 | akio | when did that happen? |
| 01:40.39 | zinx | simonrvn: an open spec that's totally wrong ;) |
| 01:40.50 | simonrvn | zinx: yup ;) |
| 01:40.55 | akio | you mean open like ooxml? |
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| 01:40.58 | simonrvn | akio: always has been |
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| 01:41.15 | zinx | akio: about as useful |
| 01:41.26 | KiDFlaSh | how can i remove shockwave flash 9.00 r100 thats is originatly installed on debian |
| 01:41.31 | MyName | don't you guys think it's a little pathetic? when a ready made system is there, and you want to torture yourself doing these "configurations" and "tweaks", and making yourselves feel superior? Get a life ? |
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| 01:41.46 | akio | ? |
| 01:41.49 | nick4 | Lenny has detected my SB Live (seen with lspci) but I still can't get it to playback sound (alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory) |
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| 01:42.03 | akio | I didn't have to config anything but my wireless driver... |
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| 01:42.18 | KiDFlaSh | how can i remove shockwave flash 9.00 r100 thats is originatly installed on debian |
| 01:42.35 | zinx | nick4: lspci only shows what's connected, not what's detected.. that card should be detected out of the box, though |
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| 01:42.55 | akio | KiDFlaSh: how did you install it? |
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| 01:43.07 | KiDFlaSh | it was from the beginning |
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| 01:43.13 | MyName | i bot my computer, and took it out the box and everuything works, no configuration, nothing. and then you gusy spend weeks just to make yoru OS can play mp3 files. come on, don't be such a loser. |
| 01:43.25 | KiDFlaSh | i installed debian testing from an miniimage |
| 01:43.32 | chance2105 | KiDFlaSh: Uninstall the swfdec-mozilla package |
| 01:43.54 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:43.55 | akio | KiDFlaSh: etch/lenny/sid? |
| 01:43.56 | nick4 | zinx yes. I am using the smaller kernel because LILO doesn't cut it with the bigger one. And Grub prints Error 17 no matter what. So... is there anything I can do? There is also a PCI USB2 card that didn't got detected |
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| 01:44.19 | abrotman | !d-i MyName |
| 01:44.19 | dpkg | MyName, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:44.22 | KiDFlaSh | lenny |
| 01:44.31 | chance2105 | KiDFlaSh: That's the plugin for the mozilla browsers anyway (iceweasel) that's installed by default in lenny. |
| 01:44.31 | zinx | nick4: use the stock debian kernel and figure out why it's not working. |
| 01:44.39 | dmoerner | abrotman: he's a troll. |
| 01:44.39 | KiDFlaSh | thx chance |
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| 01:44.53 | akio | do what chance2105 said |
| 01:44.56 | zinx | nick4: i'm not aware of any "smaller" kernel that's official :x |
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| 01:44.56 | KiDFlaSh | and now i want the flash 10 from multimedia |
| 01:44.58 | abrotman | dmoerner: what you say? |
| 01:44.59 | MyName | it's pathetic |
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| 01:45.22 | dmoerner | abrotman: MyName. look at his last messages to this channel. i don't thinking he's asking for the d-i links ;) |
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| 01:45.47 | zinx | nick4: 17 is "Cannot mount selected partition" |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | dmoerner: he just doesn't know it yet |
| 01:45.55 | Tramp | he's a troll, crosstrolling from ##linux |
| 01:45.57 | zinx | nick4: which is a configuration problem, or unsupported filesystem |
| 01:45.59 | simonrvn | hint /op abrotman |
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| 01:46.19 | akio | !tell KiDFlaSh about dmm |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | MyName: debian is the best OS ever, i don't care what simonrvn says! |
| 01:46.24 | nick4 | zinx A BIOS problem I think. The system is ext3 and I can mount it from live cds and fsck shows everything is fine |
| 01:46.32 | zinx | nick4: it's not a BIOS problem. |
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| 01:46.38 | nick4 | hmmmm |
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| 01:46.42 | nick4 | it's an old machine |
| 01:46.43 | zinx | nick4: sounds like a configuration problem, if that's the case |
| 01:46.54 | zinx | nick4: It's not a BIOS problem. |
| 01:47.01 | KiDFlaSh | thx |
| 01:47.02 | PinkFreud | MyName: really? weeks just to get it to play mp3s? Funny, I was able to do that immediately after a 10-minute install. Perhaps you're doing it wrong. :) |
| 01:47.04 | KiDFlaSh | now it works:X |
| 01:47.11 | akio | simonrvn: how do you count packets? |
| 01:47.11 | KiDFlaSh | i had to remove the old one |
| 01:47.14 | MyName | PinkFreud, stop joking me |
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| 01:47.21 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: no you didn't |
| 01:47.25 | simonrvn | akio: one at a time |
| 01:47.31 | nick4 | zinx okey that's good but I can't think of anything. There is only one option "install grub or no". What is there else I can try? |
| 01:47.32 | KiDFlaSh | yes i had |
| 01:47.32 | PinkFreud | MyName: I'm not. |
| 01:47.33 | zinx | nick4: you're using the wrong partition (GRUB partitions are 0-based) or the wrong drive (GRUB may have different numbers than Linux) |
| 01:47.35 | KiDFlaSh | no it works |
| 01:47.36 | KiDFlaSh | now |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: no you did NOT .. |
| 01:47.40 | zinx | nick4: LILO should be working too. |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: you had to do it correctly, which you didn't do |
| 01:47.50 | akio | simonrvn: seriously, what do the grown-ups use? |
| 01:47.52 | KiDFlaSh | but now i did it and it WORKS |
| 01:48.02 | KiDFlaSh | :D |
| 01:48.04 | simonrvn | akio: numbers |
| 01:48.09 | akio | aww |
| 01:48.16 | zinx | nick4: your option should you not want to install a stock Debian kernel is to compile your kernel correctly, with the things you need |
| 01:48.17 | nick4 | zinx Ahhh. I am lost :( |
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| 01:48.23 | simonrvn | akio: what are you talking about? |
| 01:48.27 | zinx | nick4: you're on your own if you want to do that :/ |
| 01:48.30 | nick4 | no no, I want stock! I want stock! |
| 01:48.43 | zinx | nick4: what did LILO do instead of work? |
| 01:49.08 | nick4 | zinx I have no idead. I tried LILO because Slackware worked and I remembered it had LILO insteaf of Grub |
| 01:49.11 | akio | simonrvn: a program like netstat -pant + top |
| 01:49.15 | zinx | though GRUB's superior fwiw :/ |
| 01:49.25 | simonrvn | akio: tcpdump ? |
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| 01:49.41 | zinx | nick4: well, if you can't tell us what's happening, we can't really help :x |
| 01:49.53 | nick4 | zinx ok, what else do you need? |
| 01:50.00 | amitz | I have one machine (A) publish printer via cups. I have one machine (B) use the published printer. But somehow B has a reference to printer with "DeviceURI: /dev/null" with Name and Description equal to A's printer. How to delete this /dev/null printer? |
| 01:50.05 | akio | I'm trying to identify what or who is causing the network traffic I see in my systray |
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| 01:50.15 | simonrvn | tcpdump |
| 01:50.22 | akio | which opts? |
| 01:50.23 | zinx | nick4: if you insist on using LILO, we need to know what LILO did instead of work, when you had a stock kernel installed. |
| 01:50.35 | zinx | nick4: it has a lot of different fail conditions |
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| 01:51.02 | zinx | nick4: each of which mean something different.. and it's pointless to go through a checklist of a few thousand, when you could just tell us which happened, and we can tell you the things it could mean :/ |
| 01:51.37 | zinx | nick4: but most likely it's because you don't have a separate boot partition, and lilo does not support kernels above 1023 or so cylinders or something like that. GRUB solves that problem. |
| 01:51.52 | nick4 | hm |
| 01:51.55 | zinx | nick4: note that has nothing to do with the size of the kernel - just where it's stored on disk. |
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| 01:52.36 | nick4 | zinx ok, here is what happened: I installed Lenny from the graphical installer (not the advanced). After installation, Grub gave me Error 17. But LILO managed it. Ask me anything else you need |
| 01:52.39 | rgr | how do I stop gnome strating "remembered" applications? |
| 01:52.44 | rgr | s/strating/starting |
| 01:52.55 | akio | simonrvn: also, that only handles tcp packets right? |
| 01:52.57 | rgr | (they are not in the sessions settings) |
| 01:53.24 | zinx | nick4: use grub-install |
| 01:53.53 | akio | simonrvn: i was using wireshark, but i wanted something that would keep adding to a running total under each pid creating the sockets |
| 01:53.55 | zinx | nick4: it probably detected the wrong order for the drives.. you may need to change it to use the correct one |
| 01:53.56 | MyName | i need help |
| 01:54.13 | Jemt | Then describe the problem |
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| 01:54.37 | abrotman | dmoerner: see! |
| 01:54.40 | nick4 | zinx what do you mean change the order of the drives? You mean on menu.list? |
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| 01:55.10 | akio | akio: |
| 01:55.14 | akio | hmm |
| 01:55.38 | zinx | nick4: i mean change the drive number, instead of (hd0,0) you may need (hd1,0) or something |
| 01:55.43 | nick4 | ahhhhhhhh |
| 01:55.45 | nick4 | ok |
| 01:55.53 | nick4 | but I only have one hard disk |
| 01:55.57 | nick4 | with 3 partitions |
| 01:55.58 | zinx | after changing the ##'d line with it, run update-grub and it will update the rest |
| 01:56.16 | zinx | nick4: you may still have to change it, but (hd0,<?>) is a good bet |
| 01:56.23 | nick4 | ok :) |
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| 01:57.04 | nick4 | I need to know one more thing zinx , can I just boot on rescue mode and install grub-install with apt-get ? And it will ask me to configure it? |
| 01:57.07 | zinx | nick4: the partition is 0 for hda1 or sda1, 1 for h/sda2, 2 for h/sda3, etc |
| 01:57.29 | nick4 | okey |
| 01:57.41 | zinx | nick4: if you boot a cd, do chroot /path/to/debian/system /bin/bash |
| 01:57.52 | zinx | though you can't install grub that way |
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| 01:58.00 | nick4 | how do I install grub? |
| 01:58.25 | bugjar | i |
| 01:58.32 | maledictvm | I am thinking of abusing an older laptop of mine as a replacement for my current (older ;)) homeserver. In order to save power I'd like to disable the display. Is this possible without X installed? |
| 01:58.39 | zinx | have to do: for i in proc sys dev; do mount -t bind /"$i" /path/to/debian/system/"$i"; done |
| 01:58.50 | zinx | and then chroot /path/to/debian/system /bin/bash |
| 01:58.58 | nick4 | ohhhhh :-/ |
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| 01:59.24 | nick4 | the rescue mode will not do that for me? okey then, let me note this down |
| 02:00.00 | zinx | no, it won't. it doesn't even know what you're doing. :) |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | maledictvm: it will blank ? not enough? |
| 02:00.15 | nick4 | hmm |
| 02:00.17 | nick4 | thanks :) |
| 02:00.24 | zinx | at least if you're using a live cd |
| 02:00.45 | zinx | the Debian recovery mode is just a single user shell |
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| 02:00.58 | nick4 | hm |
| 02:01.18 | nick4 | I see |
| 02:01.25 | zinx | so you don't need any chroot or anything for that.. but you probably also don't need to use it, since if you're getting that far that means you can boot the system ;) |
| 02:01.25 | nick4 | and after all this I apt-get install grub? |
| 02:01.29 | bugjar | i've been getting kernel update errors that it can't find /sbin/update-grub. it has been receiving these errors since i updated to grub2. is there a resolution? |
| 02:01.37 | zinx | yeah, then grub-install, then ensure it's got everything correct |
| 02:01.48 | nick4 | oh boy :-/ |
| 02:01.57 | nick4 | ok I'll try that |
| 02:01.58 | nick4 | thanks |
| 02:02.08 | zinx | bugjar: edit /etc/kernel-img.conf, change it to /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 02:02.14 | zinx | bugjar: AND READ THE UPDATE NOTICES NEXT TIME. |
| 02:02.19 | maledictvm | abrotman: It still sucks power. : |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | maledictvm: close the lid ? |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | maledictvm: tell the laptop that you're using the VGA port ? |
| 02:03.21 | maledictvm | Closing the lid does nothing. |
| 02:03.35 | abrotman | that must be a really old laptop :) |
| 02:03.40 | zinx | maledictvm: setterm -powersave |
| 02:03.52 | zinx | maledictvm: see the setterm man page |
| 02:03.55 | bugjar | zinx - thnx. update notices? |
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| 02:04.14 | maledictvm | cannot (un)set powersave mode :-/ |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | zinx: does that work if it's not acpi compliant ? |
| 02:04.22 | zinx | bugjar: i think that particular one was given via an interactive screen a very long time ago when the change was made |
| 02:04.26 | maledictvm | abrotman: It's two years old. |
| 02:04.34 | zinx | maledictvm: sucks for you :/ |
| 02:04.39 | zinx | abrotman: uses VESA |
| 02:04.50 | zinx | abrotman: at least according to the docs |
| 02:04.51 | abrotman | smacks maledictvm |
| 02:05.05 | maledictvm | Stop that. ;) |
| 02:05.13 | bugjar | zinx - i'm surprised i missed it. i do remember it telling me to do something at the time. don't remember what it had me do (and i did! honest!) |
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| 02:05.37 | abrotman | maledictvm: so tell the laptop you're using an external vga port |
| 02:05.41 | zinx | bugjar: that's what it told you :D |
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| 02:05.51 | maledictvm | How do I do that without xrandr? :) |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | maledictvm: in the BIOS i mean |
| 02:05.58 | zinx | maledictvm: usually Fn-F<?> |
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| 02:06.12 | bugjar | zinx - would that be in the changlog.gz? |
| 02:06.22 | zinx | maledictvm: it should have a picture of a CRT or something on the F key.. if it doesn't, consult documentation |
| 02:06.30 | zinx | bugjar: probably |
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| 02:06.52 | zinx | bugjar: or at least the NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 02:07.13 | maledictvm | abrotman: There's no such option in the bios. |
| 02:07.20 | maledictvm | zinx: I'll try that. |
| 02:07.30 | KiDFlaSh | how can i write on ntfs-drives? |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | that's a crappy bios |
| 02:07.43 | maledictvm | KiDFlaSh: Install ntfs-3g. |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | !tell KiDFlaSh about ntfs-3g |
| 02:08.04 | KiDFlaSh | thx |
| 02:08.16 | maledictvm | abrotman: Which one's not? ;-) |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | maledictvm: anyways .. use the Fn key to do it |
| 02:08.44 | bugjar | zinx - oh neat. it DOES say in /etc/kernel-img.conf /sbin/update-grub on both _hook lines. a quick ls for that in /etc returns zilch. |
| 02:08.45 | KiDFlaSh | do i have to change the fstab? |
| 02:08.51 | simonrvn | biosen suck. some suck less than others. |
| 02:09.14 | maledictvm | abrotman: If it would work... |
| 02:09.22 | zinx | bugjar: odd |
| 02:09.32 | maledictvm | It won't react on any function keys. |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | wtf kind of laptop is this? kmart? |
| 02:09.58 | zinx | not a laptop i'd want, that's for sure |
| 02:09.59 | maledictvm | HP Compaq 6720S. |
| 02:10.23 | zinx | maledictvm: interwebs say Fn-F7/F8 |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | maledictvm: that button should work |
| 02:10.57 | zinx | but they say Fn-F4 too :x |
| 02:10.59 | maledictvm | zinx: 7/8 just dim the display a few percents. |
| 02:11.20 | maledictvm | F4 is the one with the monitor-icon on it. |
| 02:11.23 | maledictvm | It does nothing. |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | you're using the Fn key too right ? |
| 02:11.34 | zinx | HP's site's terrible |
| 02:11.46 | maledictvm | abrotman: Yes. I am actually able to read. |
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| 02:12.04 | zinx | maledictvm: hum, odd for that to be a software switch |
| 02:12.15 | abrotman | maledictvm: sorry .. we've got some around here that don't get it the third time .. fourth .. tenth ... |
| 02:12.33 | KiDFlaSh | i cant write |
| 02:12.34 | abrotman | maledictvm: what kind of entries are in the BIOS ? |
| 02:12.34 | KiDFlaSh | Oo |
| 02:12.37 | maledictvm | abrotman: No worries. I'm used to it. |
| 02:12.54 | maledictvm | I have migrated friends to linux. No good decision, if you like your nerves. ;-) |
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| 02:14.09 | KiDFlaSh | hmm ntfs-3g dont work |
| 02:14.13 | bugjar | zinx - i have grub-common, grub-pc - can i aptitude install the older grub utils and find it? |
| 02:14.25 | zinx | bugjar: to find what? |
| 02:14.29 | bugjar | well, i also have grub-invaders, but that's pretty useless |
| 02:14.31 | maledictvm | KiDFlaSh: They do. |
| 02:14.37 | bugjar | zinx - the /sbin/update-grub |
| 02:14.45 | zinx | bugjar: it's /usr/sbin/update-grub now |
| 02:14.49 | maledictvm | *it |
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| 02:15.07 | zinx | bugjar: it does the same thing. it's just in a different spot. |
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| 02:15.18 | bugjar | sighs |
| 02:15.26 | bugjar | zinx: thanks. that explains it |
| 02:15.33 | zinx | bugjar: it's part of the "grub" package. if you don't have it, then your package is broken. |
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| 02:19.00 | bugjar | zinx - thanks. that makes sense. i didn't see the location change |
| 02:19.08 | tziku | hello, how can i change aptitude sources ? i know i a menu...but i don't know how can i acces this source changer menu. thanks |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | !tell tziku about sources.list |
| 02:20.43 | tziku | yes...thanks abrotman but in menu mode ? |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | wtf is menu mode ? |
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| 02:21.40 | tziku | a long time ago...one time i entred in a menu to change this sources... |
| 02:21.49 | tziku | and i chose from there country... |
| 02:22.01 | fantomas_ | Hi. How comes top shows moderate activity while system almost dies |
| 02:22.01 | fantomas_ | ? |
| 02:22.04 | tziku | etc...scan new cd's...i delte others |
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| 02:24.42 | abrotman | tziku: that's gone |
| 02:24.57 | digerati1338 | I need some help fixing a broken package in sid. |
| 02:25.06 | tziku | hmmm...and what was the command ? |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 02:25.49 | tziku | oh...thanks...verry verry verry bad because has gone :( |
| 02:26.38 | magyar | anyone using racoon with roadwarriors? |
| 02:26.59 | Brigo | digerati1338: dont panic :-) |
| 02:27.17 | bugjar | zinx - hooray. a findable update-grub allowed update. thanks |
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| 02:29.06 | digerati1338 | doing #aptitude install -f gives: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the mysql-server-5.0 package. |
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| 02:30.46 | digerati1338 | and #aptitude remove mysql-server-5.0 gives: E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | are you trying to remove it or install it ? |
| 02:32.38 | digerati1338 | well eventually I would like it installed, but I think I need to remove it first |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | what happens when you try to install it .. use a pastebin |
| 02:32.59 | digerati1338 | the current version shown as installed by aptitude is 5.0.67-1 |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:33.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:33.18 | stoned | I thought it was 3 lines? |
| 02:34.09 | abrotman | that's when debhelper kicks in .. not what's polite |
| 02:34.15 | digerati1338 | but the version in the repos is 5.0.75-1. |
| 02:34.45 | abrotman | put it in a pastebin |
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| 02:35.26 | digerati1338 | what do you want in the pastebin? |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | the error you're getting |
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| 02:35.43 | abrotman | the whole thing .. the command and all the output |
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| 02:37.39 | digerati1338 | http://paste.debian.net/24724/ |
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| 02:39.21 | abrotman | digerati1338: aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.0 ? |
| 02:40.56 | digerati1338 | install -f: http://paste.debian.net/24725/ reinstall: http://paste.debian.net/24726/ |
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| 02:43.28 | abrotman | !tell digerati1338 about sdn |
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| 02:44.30 | digerati1338 | I checked snapshot and wasn't able to find 5.0.67-1. |
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| 02:49.08 | abrotman | then i guess you'll have to alter the status manually |
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| 02:51.57 | digerati1338 | I've just found this: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0.html |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 02:55.49 | digerati1338 | the tracker shows 5.0.67-1 accepted on 11/02, but I'm still not able to find the package. |
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| 02:56.46 | Olius | Text readable? (Ýòîò òåêñò íà ðóññêîì) |
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| 02:57.07 | S-i-A | hi |
| 02:57.13 | Olius | hi |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | Olius: Ãòîò òåêñò Ãà ðóññêîì |
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| 02:57.31 | abrotman | Olius: and whether that is readable depends on a few things for each person here |
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| 02:58.29 | abrotman | you can stop now |
| 02:58.32 | digerati1338 | all the packages I can find jump from version 5.0.51 to 5.0.75. |
| 02:59.03 | digerati1338 | how would I go about manually altering the status? |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/status .. make a backup first |
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| 02:59.24 | Olius | It's Russian debian chanel? |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | !ru |
| 03:00.08 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 03:00.35 | Olius | Thx |
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| 03:01.25 | digerati1338 | And change the status to what? uninstalled? |
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| 03:01.41 | S-i-A | i add my account by dyndns on my router and do the port forwoarding in NAT to server ip address, crete a new virtualhost file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/sia.selfip.net.conf http://paste.debian.net/24727/ but the problem is if u click my address http://sia.selfip.net/ get of my router page :D |
| 03:01.54 | S-i-A | any idea why or who is wrong? |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | your router is listening on port 80 |
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| 03:02.47 | force | S-i-A: by default the router listens on the WAN port 80 |
| 03:02.59 | force | S-i-A: change the port forwarding rule to another port |
| 03:03.00 | abrotman | i doubt by default it does that |
| 03:03.15 | force | on most cheap routers in my experience it does |
| 03:03.25 | S-i-A | force ok which port for example? |
| 03:03.53 | force | S-i-A: a port that isn't used, i don't know 81.. |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | force: on the WAN? not a single one i know of |
| 03:04.10 | force | D-Link 504T |
| 03:04.35 | force | I think some Linksys as well if i recall correctly |
| 03:04.51 | simonrvn | S-i-A: port forward to your server. |
| 03:04.59 | abrotman | i had a dlink .. didn't do that .. i have a linksys .. doesn't do that |
| 03:05.24 | force | maybe it was just a firmware revision i had |
| 03:05.24 | S-i-A | simonrvn: yes but test it self http://sia.selfip.net |
| 03:05.31 | abrotman | force: WAN .. not LAN |
| 03:05.57 | force | abrotman: it only occurs when you port forward WAN 80 |
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| 03:06.08 | iamwoody | hey guys,i want to know if anybody had made a VPS project.... |
| 03:06.13 | abrotman | which isn't on by default |
| 03:06.24 | force | abrotman: ok maybe not by default but it's still annoying :P |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | just making sure :) |
| 03:08.44 | S-i-A | any idea :) |
| 03:08.51 | simonrvn | S-i-A: port forward to your server. |
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| 03:09.10 | digerati1338 | The current status is "deinstall reinstreq half-configured" should I change this to something or remove the entry completely? |
| 03:09.16 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 03:09.16 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 03:09.51 | simonrvn | digerati1338: obviously you need to reinstall it. reinstreq == re-install required |
| 03:10.09 | S-i-A | simonrvn: i do it in router via NAT |
| 03:10.21 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:10.22 | digerati1338 | aptitude reinstall is not working. |
| 03:10.42 | Gekz | lol |
| 03:10.51 | simonrvn | deinstall == uninstall it first |
| 03:11.07 | digerati1338 | dpkg -r isn't working. |
| 03:11.08 | dpkg | removes isn't working. along with a pound of flesh from digerati1338's body, then staples digerati1338 back up with a staple gun. |
| 03:11.22 | tac | Hi, all, sorry for my ignorance , but what is a debian-installer :) |
| 03:11.25 | Gekz | -.- |
| 03:11.27 | Gekz | dpkg -r digerati1338 |
| 03:11.27 | dpkg | removes digerati1338 along with a pound of flesh from gekz's body, then staples gekz back up with a staple gun. |
| 03:12.12 | S-i-A | simonrvn: i dot it but still isn't work :( |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | change it to a status that doesn't ask it to be reinstalled |
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| 03:13.45 | digerati1338 | so can I just delete "reinstreq"? |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | no |
| 03:14.52 | digerati1338 | well "install ok installed" doesn't seem like a smart option either. |
| 03:15.12 | Gekz | lol |
| 03:15.24 | Gekz | abrotman: simply saying no is useless support |
| 03:15.26 | Gekz | elaborate. |
| 03:16.16 | abrotman | Gekz: then you elaborate |
| 03:16.33 | Gekz | I dont know what anyone is talking about |
| 03:16.38 | Gekz | but when i do know, I know how to do support |
| 03:16.56 | Gekz | and you seem to know what you're talking about, so if you get involved, do it properly |
| 03:16.58 | Gekz | or dont get involved at all |
| 03:17.11 | dmoerner | thinks this is ridiculous |
| 03:17.37 | simonrvn | dmoerner: usually is ;). |
| 03:18.07 | abrotman | Gekz: he's looking at a file with hundreds of samples .. it should be easy for him to find the stuff he needs |
| 03:18.47 | digerati1338 | all of my other samples say "install ok installed", but this package is not properly installed which makes the samples somewhat useless. |
| 03:18.52 | Gekz | tell him that, not me |
| 03:19.08 | Gekz | and there we go. |
| 03:19.12 | abrotman | they can't all say install ok installed unless you've never uninstalled a package |
| 03:19.15 | simonrvn | they don't *all* say that |
| 03:19.46 | Gekz | I've never uninstalled a package on this system |
| 03:19.48 | Gekz | -.-. |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | i bet |
| 03:20.25 | Gekz | I planned this system with everything I needed |
| 03:20.26 | Gekz | nothing more. |
| 03:20.45 | abrotman | *plonk* |
| 03:21.10 | simonrvn | ! |
| 03:21.14 | digerati1338 | are you suggesting "remove ok not-installed" would be a better option? |
| 03:21.40 | simonrvn | digerati1338: then reinstall it yeh |
| 03:21.55 | abrotman | not reinstall .. just install |
| 03:22.10 | digerati1338 | change status to that then install again? |
| 03:22.14 | simonrvn | bit borked, but better than deinstall reinstreq ... |
| 03:22.26 | simonrvn | it will by itself... |
| 03:22.38 | bugjar | eh. bitpim's cli mode craps on copying -- says there's a list found when it wants a string or a buffer. |
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| 03:26.02 | digerati1338 | I'm still a bit confused. Should I change the status to "remove ok not-installed" and then run #aptitude install? |
| 03:26.11 | lulz | harro ? |
| 03:26.31 | abrotman | lulz: you're in the wrong channel |
| 03:26.42 | lulz | is this an internet meme ? |
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| 03:27.02 | abrotman | Guest47253: do you ahve a Debian related question ? |
| 03:27.08 | dios_mio | where do I turn off inetd ? |
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| 03:27.22 | abrotman | dios_mio: why? |
| 03:27.34 | dios_mio | abrotman, because I dont need it |
| 03:28.01 | abrotman | dios_mio: is it actually running? |
| 03:28.06 | dios_mio | yes |
| 03:28.13 | Lirezh_off | update-rc.d |
| 03:28.18 | abrotman | but the file has everything commented out ? |
| 03:28.24 | SQlvpapir | I made a ramdisk and have ~90% of my ram free. now the weird thing is that it writes to the swap instead of the _ram_disk. Can I change this behaviour |
| 03:28.44 | dios_mio | abrotman, yes |
| 03:28.50 | simonrvn | digerati1338: just install the package after you made the change.... |
| 03:28.50 | Lirezh_off | dios: update-rc.d |
| 03:29.06 | dios_mio | Lirezh_off, ok and what rc.d file is inetd in? |
| 03:29.12 | Lirezh_off | it's a command |
| 03:29.13 | abrotman | dios_mio: openbsd-inetd |
| 03:29.27 | Lirezh_off | to invclude or remove stuff from the startup |
| 03:30.26 | Lirezh_off | dios: update-rc.d openbsd-inetd remove |
| 03:30.31 | dios_mio | ok thanks |
| 03:30.35 | Lirezh_off | welcome |
| 03:30.41 | abrotman | yeah .. that may end badly |
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| 03:30.48 | Lirezh_off | see the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 03:30.51 | Lirezh_off | that won't end badly |
| 03:30.59 | Lirezh_off | as long as he does not rely on telnet as shell ;) |
| 03:31.31 | Malf | my system apparently has some leftover rc scripts pointing to a no longer existing inetd script |
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| 03:32.19 | abrotman | Lirezh_off: or any other thing that uses inetd |
| 03:32.55 | Lirezh_off | well he asked a clear question, it won't end too badly. he can enable it again in case he needs it |
| 03:36.34 | dios_mio | how do you enable it? with update-rc.d include? |
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| 03:37.38 | abrotman | man update-rc.d |
| 03:37.50 | digerati1338 | When trying to install after the status change I get this: http://paste.debian.net/24728/ |
| 03:38.20 | lordnazgul | anyone know a good command line tool that gives live net util data (like top for cpu/mem or iostat for disks) |
| 03:39.34 | abrotman | jnettop |
| 03:40.02 | digerati1338 | and here's the relevant part of /var/lib/dpkg/status: http://paste.debian.net/24729/ |
| 03:40.23 | Malf | ifstat apparently, though I've never used it |
| 03:41.00 | lordnazgul | abrotman excellent that is exactly what i was looking for |
| 03:41.59 | abrotman | iftop also IIRC |
| 03:42.33 | nsadmin | does etch have qt-4? |
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| 03:44.05 | nsadmin | judd, versions qtractor |
| 03:44.05 | judd | nsadmin: qtractor -- lenny: 0.1.3-1.1 sid: 0.2.1-1 |
| 03:44.42 | abrotman | digerati1338: seems to me you didn't look at the examples very well |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | digerati1338: from what i can tell .. the purged packages only have a Package, Status, Priority, Section in the status file |
| 03:45.31 | digerati1338 | I didn't have any purged examples to look at. |
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| 03:46.16 | abrotman | he didn't get klined ? |
| 03:49.14 | digerati1338 | how do I stop mysqld? |
| 03:49.43 | SQlvpapir | /etc/init.d/deamon stop |
| 03:49.56 | digerati1338 | thanks |
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| 03:51.45 | gorlak | anyone had any experience with truecrypt and nfs, mainly sharing a truecrypt vol. over nfs |
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| 03:52.17 | digerati1338 | it says it can't connect to local mysql server. |
| 03:52.17 | nsadmin | perhps the best way to stop mysql is to uninstall it |
| 03:52.38 | Gekz | can I read the text messages from my phone over bluetooth |
| 03:52.43 | haqe17 | what software (cmdline) could I use to create a sound file of the sound track from an mp4 video? |
| 03:52.43 | digerati1338 | i'm only trying to stop it so i can reinstall it |
| 03:52.58 | digerati1338 | haqe17: use vlc |
| 03:53.02 | nsadmin | do you hve data? |
| 03:53.19 | digerati1338 | what do you mean? |
| 03:53.37 | nsadmin | are there tables? rows in the tables? |
| 03:53.37 | abrotman | what says it can't connect? |
| 03:53.44 | haqe17 | digerati1338: could you give me the command (no time to read all the docs) |
| 03:53.46 | SQlvpapir | haqe17: join #mplayer |
| 03:54.06 | nsadmin | haqe17: so he spends the time you don't have? |
| 03:54.34 | nsadmin | I think you should think about the tradeoff between time and money |
| 03:54.43 | digerati1338 | http://paste.debian.net/24730/ |
| 03:55.25 | abrotman | digerati1338: why are you trying to stop it ? |
| 03:56.49 | digerati1338 | http://paste.debian.net/24731/ |
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| 03:57.53 | abrotman | digerati1338: killall |
| 03:59.27 | digerati1338 | haqe17:maybe try ffmpeg too, but you might want the non-free version |
| 03:59.43 | digerati1338 | won't killall get rid of other things too? |
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| 04:02.05 | magyar | hi, anyone here using racoon vpn? |
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| 04:03.06 | abrotman | digerati1338: you can use killall on just the mysql processes |
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| 04:03.53 | digerati1338 | #killall -i mysql :no process killed |
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| 04:04.19 | digerati1338 | same for mysqld |
| 04:04.31 | nsadmin | digerati1338: look thru the output of ps aux | cat |
| 04:04.33 | sundaymorning | I remember that there's a way of running 32 bit applications on debian, isn't there? |
| 04:04.43 | abrotman | digerati1338: ps aux | grep mysql |
| 04:04.51 | sundaymorning | something involving a chroot I think, where can I read about it? |
| 04:04.54 | abrotman | sundaymorning: using 32bit debian ? |
| 04:05.05 | abrotman | sundaymorning: i believe the amd64 installation manual discusses that |
| 04:05.05 | sundaymorning | well, I already use 64 bit debian |
| 04:05.39 | digerati1338 | ps aux doesn't return anything fro grep mysql |
| 04:06.28 | nsadmin | so perhaps it's not running... but look thru ps aux | less to see what is running |
| 04:06.31 | abrotman | doesn't sound like it's running |
| 04:06.36 | abrotman | might have a lock file though |
| 04:07.02 | sundaymorning | abrotman: do you know what section of it? |
| 04:07.03 | digerati1338 | i don't think it is running, which would explain why the install script can't kill it. |
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| 04:07.29 | abrotman | sundaymorning: scan the table of contents |
| 04:07.37 | mydrmeix | can I run firefox3 or quake 4 on debian without updating to sid? |
| 04:07.38 | abrotman | sundaymorning: if not .. google "debian amd64 chroot" |
| 04:07.49 | abrotman | IW3 is in lenny |
| 04:08.09 | digerati1338 | the install script seems to think it is running. |
| 04:08.12 | mydrmeix | is lenny more stable than sid? |
| 04:08.45 | digerati1338 | mydrmeix: you could try backports. |
| 04:08.46 | Guerin | mydrmeix: yes. |
| 04:09.34 | abrotman | there is no backport of IW3 for etch |
| 04:09.49 | mydrmeix | is lenny as compatible as ubuntu? |
| 04:09.56 | abrotman | digerati1338: is there anything mysql related in /var/run/ ? |
| 04:10.00 | bpaterni | why doesn't my chrooted iceweasel fail to connect to other networks besides my home network? |
| 04:10.02 | abrotman | mydrmeix: debian is not ubuntu |
| 04:10.02 | Guerin | mydrmeix: meaningless question alert. |
| 04:10.05 | Supaplex | *hiccup* |
| 04:10.19 | Supaplex | bpaterni: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 04:10.32 | Guerin | mydrmeix: is fish as blue as flower? |
| 04:11.44 | mydrmeix | debian has to have a way to install bleeding edge and new packages. sid always crashed, is lenny the awnser? |
| 04:11.44 | abrotman | mydrmeix: use lenny |
| 04:11.44 | mydrmeix | i would like to try |
| 04:11.47 | abrotman | i think i said that once already |
| 04:11.47 | digerati1338 | mysqld is in /var/run |
| 04:12.01 | abrotman | digerati1338: is there anything in that directory ? |
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| 04:12.49 | digerati1338 | nope |
| 04:13.10 | mydrmeix | im gonna part now so I can install lol |
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| 04:13.15 | abrotman | digerati1338: just remove that |
| 04:13.44 | bpaterni | Supaplex: the one in my chroot says "nameserver 192.168.0.254" now, but i'm on my home network now |
| 04:14.09 | digerati1338 | removed, install script still thinks there's an sql process running. |
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| 04:14.50 | abrotman | look at the script .. see why it thinks that |
| 04:15.53 | lordnazgul | just throwing in my two cents, but is it possible that there is a chrooted mysql pid file or socket still there? |
| 04:16.15 | Supaplex | bpaterni: does it match the /etc/resolv.conf in the working one? |
| 04:16.17 | lordnazgul | i know i've often overlooked them |
| 04:16.21 | abrotman | FIIK .. mysql is the devil! |
| 04:16.27 | Supaplex | pg ftw ! |
| 04:18.14 | Shadow_Master | where do I find information on what exact commands were used by Joe Developer to build package foo-bar ? |
| 04:18.39 | Shadow_Master | or should I just get the source package from Debian? |
| 04:18.45 | abrotman | yes, the rules file |
| 04:18.49 | abrotman | Supaplex: exactly |
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| 04:22.49 | bpaterni | Supaplex: that is the working resolv.conf, I won't be able to test the network that isn't working though until next week though, should it automatically change to something else when I log onto to the non-working net? |
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| 04:22.55 | digerati1338 | Well I'm done with this for now... I'll come back to it later. |
| 04:23.03 | digerati1338 | Thanks for all your help so far |
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| 04:31.32 | digerati1338 | Problem Solved! definetly the weirdest problem i've ever come across. |
| 04:31.35 | Supaplex | bpaterni: uh, are they both on the same box? |
| 04:32.07 | digerati1338 | I had to purge splashy and then install again. |
| 04:32.43 | Supaplex | that's what she said |
| 04:33.00 | digerati1338 | rofl |
| 04:33.44 | digerati1338 | idk why splashy would even be related to mysql... |
| 04:34.50 | Supaplex | you're not the first to mention that recently |
| 04:35.05 | Supaplex | I think it's even in bts, under one or the other. |
| 04:35.26 | digerati1338 | I only figured it out by googling some obscure error information |
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| 04:41.50 | bpaterni | Supaplex: what is? The resolv.confs? Yes, they're on my laptop, both the chrooted and 64 bit resolv.conf are |
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| 04:46.18 | pyrohotdog | What program (with gui) would be recommended to burn a DVD of a season of a tv show? Build main menu and episode selection |
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| 04:49.47 | digerati1338 | pyrohotdog: have you considered K3B? |
| 04:51.02 | craigevil | kdedvdauthor |
| 04:51.54 | pyrohotdog | digeratil1338: I'd like to stay away from KDE programs. I like devede but it doesn't seem to be in the repo's for Lenny? |
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| 04:55.09 | Shadow_Master | what are the alternatives to network-manager? |
| 04:55.50 | Shadow_Master | (besides making an iface line in /etc/network/interface and using ifconfig/up/down which I am not getting quite right either) |
| 04:56.21 | craigevil | Shadow_Master: for wireless? wifi-radar, wicd, wpagui |
| 04:57.57 | Shadow_Master | so, they automatize the whole AP searching/joining and dhcp client run process? |
| 04:58.31 | craigevil | pretty much, i use wifi-radar on my eee works great |
| 04:59.03 | Shadow_Master | wicd doesn't seem to be in the repo |
| 04:59.16 | craigevil | its only in sid |
| 04:59.21 | Shadow_Master | :( |
| 04:59.28 | Shadow_Master | is it text-mode? |
| 04:59.32 | craigevil | gui |
| 04:59.53 | Shadow_Master | aww. all these tools are GUI |
| 05:00.00 | craigevil | yes |
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| 05:07.46 | fmr | hi |
| 05:08.25 | fmr | how can I enable antialiased font ? |
| 05:09.07 | sshy | does freetype/libxft/libcario still need lcd patchs from david tuner ? |
| 05:09.07 | digerati1338 | should be in the system control center. |
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| 05:14.26 | sshy | does freetype/libxft/libcario still need lcd patchs from david tuner ? |
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| 05:42.06 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 05:42.15 | tengulre | how to convert the .rle to .jpg ? |
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| 05:48.39 | Crowler | tengulre open, then save as... in any decent viewer or imagemagic in console |
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| 05:49.18 | CheeToS | any particular reason df shows such a huge discrepancy here? |
| 05:49.19 | CheeToS | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:49.22 | CheeToS | /dev/sda2 916G 9.4G 860G 2% / |
| 05:50.01 | Crowler | raid? |
| 05:50.06 | CheeToS | nope |
| 05:50.15 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: reserved blocks |
| 05:50.23 | CheeToS | 50G of them? |
| 05:50.26 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: yerp |
| 05:50.28 | Crowler | empty 1tb ext3 partition? |
| 05:50.30 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: the default is about 5% |
| 05:50.50 | CheeToS | geez |
| 05:51.16 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: so if that's not what you want (and it's almost certainly not), use the -m option to mkfs.ext3 (or man mkfs.foo for other filesystems) |
| 05:51.27 | Crowler | ext suxz as fs for effective use of hdd space |
| 05:51.36 | dondelelcaro | uh... try again |
| 05:51.44 | Gekz | Crowler: that makes no sense |
| 05:52.20 | CheeToS | thanks for the info dondelelcaro |
| 05:52.58 | Gekz | 1TB I'd probably make XFS or something |
| 05:53.01 | Crowler | i lost 10% of my 500g hdd to ext |
| 05:53.12 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: huh? |
| 05:53.14 | Gekz | no you didnt |
| 05:53.19 | dondelelcaro | s/CheetoS/Crowler/ |
| 05:53.19 | Gekz | that's absurd. |
| 05:53.45 | CheeToS | Crowler: you realize there is also the issue of HD manufacturers measurement of a gigabyte, too, right? |
| 05:53.53 | Crowler | i still use fat as fs for storage |
| 05:53.55 | dondelelcaro | Crowler: I don't think you understand what reserve blocks are *for*. They're to make sure ordinary users can't run the filesystem out of space such that the superuser can't write to them |
| 05:54.14 | Gekz | dondelelcaro: that's only 5% |
| 05:54.24 | Gekz | the other 5% is the fact his box lied to him |
| 05:54.31 | Gekz | and made him believe it is actually 500GiB |
| 05:54.52 | dondelelcaro | !convert 500 gigabytes to gibibytes |
| 05:54.54 | dpkg | 500 gigabytes is approximately 465.661 gibibytes |
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| 05:55.30 | Crowler | so what? |
| 05:55.47 | zeno | Is there any way to automatically check if any packages you have installed do not have a 64 bit version? |
| 05:56.03 | dondelelcaro | zeno: the only packages that are 32bit only are non-free, that I can think of |
| 05:56.21 | Crowler | i am not going to just give out even 20g to john doe |
| 05:56.47 | zeno | dondelelcaro: ok thanks a ton |
| 05:57.00 | Crowler | zeno look up it's name |
| 05:57.17 | CheeToS | dondelelcaro: any comments on tune2fs before I use that? it looks like it will let me recover that space without remaking the fs |
| 05:57.31 | Crowler | *86 mean 32 bit |
| 05:57.35 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: yeah, just make sure to umount the filesystem |
| 05:57.43 | CheeToS | ack |
| 05:57.53 | CheeToS | i'll have to do it from a thumbdrive later then, heh |
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| 05:58.19 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: actually, you may be able to do it from a mounted filesystem; I've never tried. |
| 05:58.48 | Crowler | i'd like to hear result too |
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| 05:59.05 | CheeToS | reading its manpage now, I'll give it a shot if it sounds like I can |
| 05:59.23 | CheeToS | -m reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 05:59.24 | CheeToS | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.25 | CheeToS | :) |
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| 05:59.40 | dondelelcaro | CheeToS: yeah, doesn't say that you can't; I've just never tried to modify it |
| 06:01.26 | CheeToS | I wonder if it allows decimal percentages |
| 06:01.30 | CheeToS | .5% is still 4.58 GB |
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| 06:01.40 | CheeToS | .3% is still 4.58 GB |
| 06:01.43 | CheeToS | oops |
| 06:01.53 | CheeToS | (that line was meant to be another calculation, lol) |
| 06:02.30 | Crowler | no zero resvd block, huh? |
| 06:03.02 | CheeToS | cheetosdeb:~# tune2fs -m.5 /dev/sda2 |
| 06:03.02 | CheeToS | tune2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 06:03.02 | CheeToS | Setting reserved blocks percentage to 0.5% (0 blocks) |
| 06:03.05 | CheeToS | hmm |
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| 06:03.11 | CheeToS | whoops. |
| 06:03.26 | Crowler | and what df says now? |
| 06:03.38 | CheeToS | /dev/sda2 916G 9.6G 906G 2% / |
| 06:03.45 | Crowler | hihi |
| 06:04.02 | CheeToS | it doesn't like decimals though so I'll make it 1% |
| 06:04.32 | CheeToS | 897 avail now |
| 06:04.35 | CheeToS | much better, thanks again |
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| 06:05.47 | ferret_0567 | is there any way of installing murrine-svn on Debian Lenny from a .deb? |
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| 06:07.03 | newsense | heh now CheeToS got me lloking and im wasting away some gigs |
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| 06:12.46 | huwenfeng | hi, how can i keep ssh connections alive when i do not enter any commands for a period of time? |
| 06:12.58 | Crowler | btw, cool linux guys, every good file manager do free space checks, before actual writing to destination. you just dont have such ones, so you dont know about it |
| 06:13.01 | huwenfeng | i am using OpenSSH, and i am behind a firewall. |
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| 06:13.39 | huwenfeng | the firewall seems to be configured to close idle connections after a period of time. |
| 06:13.59 | huwenfeng | how can i set the ssh to send messages even if the connection if idle.? how ? |
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| 06:19.40 | Crowler | and best file managers allow you to write on drive even if it doesnt enough free space |
| 06:21.42 | WorldBFree | im buying a new mobo for an existing processor and memory. the processor is a pentium d 820. the memory is a pc2-533. the fsb matches the processor on the board but the memory listed for the board is pc2-800 and the memory i currently have is pc2-533. wil that board work with that memory |
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| 06:25.50 | ferret_0567 | How can I install the Debian Lenny netinst image to a USB mass storage device? |
| 06:26.03 | Crowler | WorldBFree it will |
| 06:26.05 | kd8ikt | dont be suprised if doing so fries the memory |
| 06:26.17 | Crowler | as pc2-533 |
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| 06:28.22 | WorldBFree | cool and since the system will be identical with hd, memory and processor but with a new board. when i install processor and whatnot and configure bios, will i need to re-install anything or will my system detect everything right |
| 06:29.29 | Guerin | should be fine, as long as you're running a udev system and your kernel supports the board |
| 06:30.38 | WorldBFree | like if i had deb already installed on my hd and the kernel supports the board. if i turned it on it should pick up where i left off basically? |
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| 06:31.38 | Crowler | if your hdd controller is supported by the kernel on installed system, then yes |
| 06:31.50 | Crowler | of* |
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| 06:32.19 | Bullen | hello |
| 06:32.33 | WorldBFree | good, that makes things much easier |
| 06:32.37 | Bullen | i have a quick question, how can i search for packages available through apt-get from the shell? |
| 06:32.49 | WorldBFree | apt-cache search? |
| 06:32.50 | Guerin | Bullen: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:32.55 | Bullen | cheers |
| 06:32.56 | Bullen | thanks |
| 06:33.27 | Guerin | WorldBFree: depending on the board you might also have trouble with the bios/kernel assigning the wrong drive numbers. But most likely it'll Just Work |
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| 06:34.44 | extor | Is there a way to completely reset the .deb apt database? Mine seems corrupted and confused and I cannot install new stuff |
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| 06:38.13 | migatxu | hi, anyone he uses Gsynaptics on Lenny or SID? I've copied and modified the fdi policy (11-x11-synaptics.fdi), adding the SHconfig option to the Alps group but doesn't work. In other distro it works and I'm loose |
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| 06:39.17 | ferret_0567 | hello? How can I install the Debian Lenny netinst image to a USB mass storage device? |
| 06:39.47 | craigevil | extor: you can try renaming /var/lib/dpkg/status then renam statusold to status |
| 06:40.09 | dmoerner | ferret_0567: install the same way as you would to a normal hard disk |
| 06:40.12 | extor | hrmm does that trick work often, craigevil ? |
| 06:40.36 | craigevil | i had to do it once when a package corrupted it |
| 06:40.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell extor -about bat |
| 06:40.44 | ferret_0567 | dmoerner: I just want the netinst image, not the whole distribution on my flash drive :/ |
| 06:40.55 | dondelelcaro | extor: follow those instructions so we can see what is wrong |
| 06:40.56 | craigevil | there are some perl script if you google |
| 06:41.04 | craigevil | oh whats bat |
| 06:41.07 | dmoerner | ferret_0567: /msg dpkg install usb |
| 06:41.07 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't ever need to muck with the status file |
| 06:41.18 | dondelelcaro | (but if you do, we'll tell you precisely what to do to it) |
| 06:41.40 | ferret_0567 | dmoerner: He says "I don't know, could you explain it?" |
| 06:41.40 | dmoerner | ferret_0567: sorry its /msg dpkg usb install |
| 06:41.45 | ferret_0567 | dmoerner: oh |
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| 06:46.35 | ferret_0567 | thanks dmoerner |
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| 06:47.31 | thank | hello |
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| 06:47.50 | thank | dpkg-source -b mysmall-1.0 |
| 06:47.50 | thank | dpkg-source: info: using source format `1.0' |
| 06:47.50 | thank | dpkg-source: info: building mysmall using existing mysmall_1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 06:47.50 | thank | dpkg-source: info: building mysmall in mysmall_1.0-1.diff.gz |
| 06:47.51 | thank | dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to mysmall-1.0/mysmall_1.0.tar.gz: binary file contents changed |
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| 06:48.17 | thank | hello |
| 06:48.35 | thank | anybody here ? |
| 06:48.48 | craigevil | use pastebin dont flood |
| 06:48.54 | iamwoody | Hello |
| 06:48.57 | thank | I have question about build deb pkg |
| 06:49.19 | thank | dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to mysmall-1.0/mysmall_1.0.tar.gz: binary file contents changed |
| 06:49.29 | thank | debuild -uc -us |
| 06:49.50 | thank | this is error prompt |
| 06:49.54 | iamwoody | how much the memory does debian cant supported ,with ia64 or i386 |
| 06:50.25 | thank | any body have any idea about this issue ? |
| 06:50.32 | Guerin | iamwoody: rephrase your question |
| 06:50.40 | Guerin | thank: start by posting complete output to paster |
| 06:50.53 | Crowler | iamwoody at least 1gig works |
| 06:50.56 | Guerin | thank: debian tools' error messages are usually in plain english; that one seems to be |
| 06:51.31 | thank | any body have any idea about this issue ? |
| 06:51.37 | Guerin | thank: debian tools' error messages are usually in plain english; that one seems to be |
| 06:51.50 | iamwoody | i want to know whether it can support over 64G? |
| 06:51.57 | thank | what's your mean ? |
| 06:52.04 | Crowler | thank seems that some process uses one of those 3 files you mentioned |
| 06:52.11 | Guerin | thank: start by posting complete output to paster |
| 06:52.27 | Guerin | iamwoody: no 32-bit system can address 64G of memory in one process |
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| 06:53.08 | iamwoody | what about ia64? |
| 06:53.23 | Guerin | iamwoody: i presume it can since it's a 64-bit system |
| 06:53.44 | Guerin | (but if you have an ia64 system, chances are you already know that, so I'm guessing you don't have one) |
| 06:54.24 | iamwoody | yes, your are right |
| 06:55.50 | iamwoody | i want to use openvz,and give my customers vps support. |
| 06:56.26 | iamwoody | i need more memory |
| 06:56.53 | iamwoody | i think 64G is ok |
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| 06:57.03 | Guerin | iamwoody: you need more competent admin staff if you couldn't ask them that question and expect a correct answer |
| 06:57.55 | Crowler | ram support depends on particular kernel build usually |
| 06:58.00 | Guerin | no |
| 06:58.15 | Crowler | heh |
| 06:58.19 | Guerin | it depends on the OS |
| 06:58.23 | iamwoody | Guerin:thanks i use the bigmem kernel for i386 |
| 06:58.40 | Guerin | a 32-bit OS can address three and a bit GB of ram per process; a 64-bit one can address way more |
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| 06:59.12 | Crowler | how much "way more" is in gigs, please? |
| 06:59.17 | phobos_anomaly | Guerin: I thought most modern 32 bit cpus could handle 4 gb |
| 06:59.54 | Crowler | bigmem kernel for i386 - =< 4g |
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| 07:00.43 | iamwoody | phobos_anomaly ,Crowler you are right |
| 07:01.33 | Crowler | iamwoody you need 64bit kernel |
| 07:01.45 | dondelelcaro | the bigmem kernel is for >= 4g |
| 07:01.50 | dondelelcaro | otherwise just use the normal i386 kernel |
| 07:01.51 | iamwoody | vps divide the memory into small piece |
| 07:02.04 | dondelelcaro | (if you're using amd64, use the amd64 kernel regardless) |
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| 07:02.42 | Crowler | iamwoody if you cannot get kernel build specs on site, then there is no way to know about ram support than to try it |
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| 07:03.50 | Crowler | i wonder if there livecd64 for debian exist... |
| 07:04.45 | iamwoody | dondelelcaro:if i want to use 8G memory ,i386 with bigmem is ok? |
| 07:05.06 | craigevil | Crowler: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_live_beta2/amd64/ |
| 07:05.48 | iamwoody | Crowler: now i haven't choose the hareware,i want to make sure and the choose the mem cpu and motherboard. |
| 07:05.52 | Crowler | iamwoody try the link above and see if it works |
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| 07:06.28 | iamwoody | Crowler;thanks,i want to use stable dis |
| 07:06.30 | Crowler | still beta tho... so no warranties |
| 07:07.07 | dondelelcaro | iamwoody: if it's i386, yes... though I don't think anyone makes i386 boards that will do 8G anymore |
| 07:07.23 | dondelelcaro | iamwoody: otherwise, you want amd64 |
| 07:07.49 | dondelelcaro | (in fact, I wouldn't even consider i386 boards for machines with > 1G of ram) |
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| 07:08.23 | iamwoody | dondelelcaro:amd64 or ia64 i prefer to intel |
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| 07:10.26 | EmleyMoor | My own (rather than work's) laptop is my next aim |
| 07:10.35 | dondelelcaro | iamwoody: intel makes the emt64, which is basically equivalent to amd64. |
| 07:10.47 | dondelelcaro | iamwoody: you almost certainly don't want to pay for IA64 |
| 07:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | could someone with aplay installed play this wav? http://nw.ath.cx/~k/bla.wav |
| 07:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it only makes a horrible noise when played with aplay (whatever options I try to use), but seems to play normally with mplayer |
| 07:11.55 | iamwoody | dondelelcare:pay less is better |
| 07:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least with my alsa-utils 1.0.16-2, it seems |
| 07:13.11 | Crowler | cant dl |
| 07:13.21 | craigevil | http://nw.ath.cx/~k/bla.wav: No such file or directory |
| 07:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? I tried it before sending it... |
| 07:13.56 | dondelelcaro | iamwoody: so that's why I suggest amd64 or the intel equivalent, emt64. |
| 07:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | even works with wget from a different machine |
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| 07:14.28 | craigevil | CutMeOwnThroat: aply doesnt download it but it plays in mplayer |
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| 07:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it just gives me some screetching in aplay |
| 07:15.31 | Crowler | no combination of filters could be found to render the stream |
| 07:15.32 | iamwoody | dondelelcaro:i need at least 16G ram ,4 cpus (multi-core),motherboard can support pci raid card |
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| 07:15.50 | EmleyMoor | file it and se what it says |
| 07:15.52 | iamwoody | dondelelcaro:any idea? |
| 07:16.30 | iamwoody | dondelelcaro:and this hareware can support by debian etch |
| 07:16.50 | iamwoody | dondelelcaro:and these harewares can supported by debian etch |
| 07:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, yeah, I think some headers are missing? This is from text2wave... things like echo "something" | text2wave |aplay worked a treat, until I got to some word combination which suddenly didn't |
| 07:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that weird? |
| 07:17.25 | EmleyMoor | CutMeOwnThroat: What does file say? |
| 07:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's text2wave's fault |
| 07:17.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | "faith no more" |
| 07:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got festival to tell me what song is playing in amarok between songs :) |
| 07:17.59 | EmleyMoor | file bla.wav |
| 07:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | except I got suddenly screetching |
| 07:18.34 | Crowler | CutMeOwnThroat "Duration tree extreme for r 3.64693" that a sh1t is that, instead of standart header?? |
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| 07:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 07:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | Crowler, thanks! that's obviously it |
| 07:19.22 | Crowler | before standart header, to be presice |
| 07:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | was playing around with the pauses |
| 07:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a festival error |
| 07:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacks his forehead with his hand |
| 07:20.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... no wonder |
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| 07:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got quite confused when mplayer played it, thought it's something with mplayer... |
| 07:20.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but mplayer just has better... work-arounds :) |
| 07:20.59 | Crowler | that is |
| 07:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | the fun thing is, that it still works for most text... |
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| 07:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and wtf is 'r', docu only speaks of m and s |
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| 07:23.19 | Crowler | get rid of it, in hex editor, if you still want it to be playable anywhere, of course |
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| 07:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a pipe normally |
| 07:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I'm just going back to defaults everywhere... still get the error |
| 07:25.04 | savvas | Hi, where can we see the debian packages awaiting for sponsorship? |
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| 07:25.41 | savvas | ...or packaged awaiting to be approved somehow? |
| 07:25.51 | kladizkov | which is the best news ticker which i can use in gnome-panel? |
| 07:26.26 | savvas | kladizkov: news ticker for feeds? |
| 07:26.36 | kladizkov | yea |
| 07:26.52 | Crowler | rss reader? |
| 07:27.21 | savvas | well it's not actually gnome-panel, but liferea can be set to create a popup in the notification (tray) area once there |
| 07:27.34 | savvas | ..once there is something new |
| 07:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... it was not something I changed, but from the package itself... |
| 07:28.36 | kladizkov | is there something that scrolls on gnome-panel? |
| 07:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Crowler, really well seen... because I suspected aplay, I'd have looked long for that, thx |
| 07:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was a bug in the female voice I downloaded |
| 07:29.34 | Crowler | np |
| 07:29.58 | savvas | Why is mibbit banned by the way? ?*!*@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/* |
| 07:30.30 | stew | savvas: becuase of abuse from trolls |
| 07:31.43 | savvas | darn, we can't use a decent chat software at work-break time :) |
| 07:32.00 | stew | savvas: if you want to see packages awaiting sponsorship, you can at mentors.debian.net or lists.debian.org/debian-mentors. If you want to see packages not yet in debian, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html or incoming.debian.org |
| 07:32.06 | Guerin | if you can't install it on your workstation, you can presume it's not allowed |
| 07:32.53 | savvas | wonderful, thanks stew ! |
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| 07:40.05 | haqe17 | Is this a hardware error? ioctl[SIOCGIFINDEX]: No such device |
| 07:41.07 | haqe17 | i get that with wpa_supplicant -i ath0 =Dwext -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf , but ath0 definitely exists |
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| 07:43.53 | savvas | stew: do you know any other place? because they said that new webpy package for 0.31 release is awaiting sponsorship: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webpy/+bug/311225/comments/4 - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509725 |
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| 07:49.27 | savvas | ls west |
| 07:49.37 | savvas | (oops) |
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| 07:51.31 | savvas | well I guess they forgot to upload it :) |
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| 07:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
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| 07:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, haqe17 left... |
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| 08:05.12 | haqe17 | what filesystem do I give to mount for FAT32 ? |
| 08:05.44 | yang | I am wondering how to convert flacs to mp3, using toolame will only convert to mp2...and sox is compiled without mp3 support |
| 08:05.52 | Crowler | vfat |
| 08:06.11 | yang | haqe17: mount -t vfat |
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| 08:06.53 | haqe17 | yang: thanks. |
| 08:07.18 | savvas | yang: doesn't soundconvert do the trick? |
| 08:07.28 | yang | savvas: haven't tried that tool |
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| 08:08.18 | Cromag | http://www.linuxtutorialblog.com/post/solution-converting-flac-to-mp3 usable ? |
| 08:08.21 | savvas | hmm... "soundconvert tries to keep all TAGs intact. It understands ID3v1, OGG, FLAC and GBS tags." "This is one big ugly dirty hack. Be careful when using this script!" |
| 08:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, there's also lame in the marillat repository... |
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| 08:09.48 | savvas | yang: I'm actually using the soundconverter package (has gui), helped me so far :) |
| 08:10.13 | yang | savvas: I cannot select output format to be mp3 in soundkonverter |
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| 08:10.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, /msg dpkg debian-multimedia for that |
| 08:10.30 | savvas | you probably need the lame encoder for that yang |
| 08:10.30 | yang | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 08:10.37 | Guerin | yang: debain doesn't have mp3 encoders |
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| 08:10.56 | Guerin | yang: encode to vorbis or install lame from debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:11.01 | Cromag | yang: 3012-09:08:04 < Cromag> http://www.linuxtutorialblog.com/post/solution-converting-flac-to-mp3 usable ? |
| 08:11.23 | yang | ok you have all been helpfull |
| 08:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cromag, no... the basic problem is, that there's no lame in the normal Debian repositories... :) |
| 08:12.40 | Guerin | ... because fraunhofer continue to enforce their patent on the encoder, but not the decoder |
| 08:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | do they still? |
| 08:13.02 | Guerin | ... which just goes on the pile of `more reasons why patent law is fucked and needs rewritten' |
| 08:13.12 | Guerin | yes, they do |
| 08:13.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it is for computer programs/algorithms/IT stuff |
| 08:13.57 | Guerin | no, it is for everything |
| 08:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
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| 08:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, it seems to me you need some patent law e.g. for the pharmaceutical industry... it takes about 7 years and a lot of money to get a new drug on the market... copying it needs only a fraction of the effort... |
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| 08:15.43 | Guerin | basically, patent, copyright and trademark law as it exists encoded in TRIPS is an information cartel controlled by a couple-dozen companies for their private benefit, to the detriment of everyone else |
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| 08:16.01 | Guerin | if it were any other industry it'd have been deregulated by now |
| 08:16.06 | _bozo | hi. how i can see the device use by kernel (element inclus in kernel AND only used ? |
| 08:16.17 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: there is a need for *some* law, but not *the* laws we have |
| 08:16.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, *shrug* it seems to kinda work out for them... |
| 08:17.26 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. It works for *them*. The purpose of the initial laws was to work for the good of the arts, sciences and industry |
| 08:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | even the time spans seem kinda ok for that |
| 08:18.15 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: it's more complicated than timeframes - although they're being egregiously milked |
| 08:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the investment cost for a new drug are huge... specially if you consider how many substances don't make it after a lot of testing/costs |
| 08:18.55 | Guerin | the main problem with patents is the model which allows you to patent anything which a cursory check doesn't show up as obviously invalid - and even some things which do |
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| 08:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | does US patent law have a minimum requirement of... additional novelty? |
| 08:19.57 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, that's not quite the slam-dunk you think. Practically no drugs are made without state (ie, government) funding, even by Big Pharma, and the marketing budgets are many times the size of the r&d budgets |
| 08:20.15 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: in principle, yes. In realist, it's a matter of implementation. |
| 08:20.42 | yang | To create a CD-player readable format I can convert files to .wav and genisoimage later? |
| 08:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually normally just use k3b... |
| 08:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which doesn't require any thinking :) |
| 08:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess you can... |
| 08:24.00 | yang | CutMeOwnThroat: k3b can transcode from flac to CD-readable format at the same time? |
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| 08:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, on the other hand, of course... patents for AIDS medication have to be honored despite of people dying in e.g. South Africa, while the patent for the anti-anthrax antibioticum had to die really fast, because some people got envelopes with white powder (panic! panic! the US is under attack) <- note sarcasm |
| 08:25.12 | savvas | yang: cd burning software usually does, I think brasero does too |
| 08:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, why don't you try - I normally burned mp3, but if there's a decoder for flac around that k3b knows to use, I don't see why (beats me, though, what k3b uses for decoding) |
| 08:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, might be something where you have to choose the correct libraries |
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| 08:27.00 | savvas | gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly :) |
| 08:27.06 | savvas | I don't know for k3b though |
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| 08:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, my k3b can do it |
| 08:28.55 | yang | but saving to .wav format makes a CD-player-readable format? |
| 08:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least it could do it with a sample flac file I got from the internet |
| 08:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess so |
| 08:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | audio cds are different than data cd's though |
| 08:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I must admit I never bothered to find out how exactly |
| 08:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps I did and forgot |
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| 08:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... |
| 08:31.38 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: right. Actually, they caved in South Africa, eventually. It was publicity which did it. |
| 08:31.39 | savvas | brasero does the transcoding as well |
| 08:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you've already been more enlightening |
| 08:31.42 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !audio cd |
| 08:31.46 | dpkg | 0. run the cable from the CD-ROM to the sound card 1. 'chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc' or whatever your device is (only for IDE) 2. adduser username cdrom 3. don't forget to log out and relogin |
| 08:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 08:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "caved in"? |
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| 08:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, of course, in South Africa they believed that showering after unprotected sex and garlic hels against AIDS... |
| 08:32.44 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. Cut the price of some of their antiretrovirals. |
| 08:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 08:33.09 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: not to mention sex with a virgin. Yes, societies witout science-based approaches to medicine have it hard. |
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| 08:33.29 | savvas | You mean in Africa, not South africa :) |
| 08:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... it was actually the head of the covernment |
| 08:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/cov/gov/ |
| 08:33.45 | Guerin | savvas: when did South Africa get removed from Africa? |
| 08:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I definitely mean South Africa... |
| 08:34.34 | savvas | I meant generally in Africa, the tribes of Africa, not just South africa |
| 08:35.14 | Guerin | yes, it was initially in South Africa that the big deal was made about the price of antiretrovirals |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | but yeah |
| 08:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | the difference being that South Africa is rich and in principle has education |
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| 08:37.18 | _bozo | how i can make kernel profiling ? |
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| 08:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that more something for #linux? |
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| 08:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | '''In 2000, President Mbeki publicly questioned the importance of HIV in causing AIDS, controversially suggesting that the main cause was "poverty".''' (from wikipedia, who's always right) |
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| 08:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, we digress :) |
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| 08:43.29 | failsaur | anyone know if the powerpc install cd supports airport cards? |
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| 08:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | not me |
| 08:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a #debianppc, though |
| 08:45.53 | failsaur | cool |
| 08:45.54 | failsaur | thanks |
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| 08:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | with quite few ppl... still... :) |
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| 08:48.03 | yang | CutMeOwnThroat: just for your info , k3b creates Audio CD from flacs |
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| 08:49.44 | K_Sakura | It can do it from mp3, wave, and ogg too, IIRC. |
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| 08:51.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hey, NFS question: rpc.statd takes freaking forever to start up and quit, so much so that it hangs networking on startup. Fortunately it's after the interfaces have been brought up, so I can get into the box. Last time I shut down it took nearly 8 minutes to shut down completely. Last time I had this problem it was because localhost was not defined in /etc/network/interfaces, that's not the problem this time though. |
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| 08:52.17 | Ongavezyr | Welcome brotha'z |
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| 08:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, yes... I told you so - I tried with an example flac |
| 08:57.12 | savvas | failsaur: I think you should try a live cd first, you might have problems with WPA encryption |
| 08:57.34 | failsaur | savvas: nice, i don't use WPA |
| 08:57.41 | failsaur | i'm too lazy to config wpa supplicant |
| 08:57.49 | savvas | http://www.nabble.com/ibook-G3-Wireless-problem-td15121158.html |
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| 08:58.31 | savvas | I wonder if debian ppc supports it out of the box |
| 08:58.37 | failsaur | it says in the docs it should |
| 08:58.44 | failsaur | but might not if it requires firmware |
| 08:58.48 | failsaur | or something |
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| 08:59.20 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 09:00.35 | Fox_1_ | is it bad practic to use testing release of debian (with every day updatting)? |
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| 09:02.15 | force | Fox_1_: would disrupt services |
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| 09:04.54 | Fox_1_ | so, what are you suggest? I want to have newest versions of packages. |
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| 09:05.31 | stoned_enkidu | use experimental repo |
| 09:05.57 | Fox_1_ | experimental is better then testing? |
| 09:06.12 | kunwon1 | Fox_1_, I use testing and update all the time, I almost never have any problems |
| 09:06.17 | simonrvn | oh ffs, don't recommend experimental |
| 09:06.23 | kunwon1 | testing is pretty solid |
| 09:06.43 | stoned_enkidu | nope... both can break your system, but experimental probably has newest packages |
| 09:07.08 | kunwon1 | stoned_enkidu, testing has never 'broken my system' in 2 years |
| 09:07.10 | Fox_1_ | does anyone know when the KDE 4 will be in debian release? |
| 09:07.36 | kunwon1 | testing is basically debian for desktop |
| 09:07.41 | kunwon1 | etch is debian for server |
| 09:08.02 | stoned_enkidu | so I am Debian proof, cause first update to testing have killed my xorg |
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| 09:08.54 | kunwon1 | stoned_enkidu, that was more likely caused by something you did |
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| 09:09.03 | Fox_1_ | now I have testing in virtualbox, which I have updated from etch's net-instal CD |
| 09:09.10 | stoned_enkidu | now I have experimental - and all dependencies broken. |
| 09:09.17 | Fox_1_ | and it works fine |
| 09:09.31 | kunwon1 | Fox_1_, :) |
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| 09:09.55 | Fox_1_ | but in the same place I don't see any changes, yet :) |
| 09:10.15 | kunwon1 | Fox_1_, what do you want to change? |
| 09:10.19 | Fox_1_ | ohhh sorry, I sow kernel changes |
| 09:11.11 | dustybin | is there a way to purge every single RC file? |
| 09:11.18 | dustybin | without doing each one individually |
| 09:11.27 | dustybin | if you look here: dpkg -l | more |
| 09:11.31 | Fox_1_ | I don't know, more user friendliness from KDE :) |
| 09:11.33 | dustybin | some files are 'RC' |
| 09:12.16 | stew | dustybin: aptitude purge '~c' |
| 09:12.22 | stoned_enkidu | btw KDE4 in Debian experimental have problems with compositing |
| 09:12.30 | dustybin | wow is that all stew? that wont break anything? |
| 09:13.09 | stew | dustybin: that will purge any packages which are removed and not purged, which should delete the remaining config and maybe data |
| 09:13.28 | stoned_enkidu | man, i'm using experimental versions of deb and mdv, all works fine ;-) |
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| 09:13.45 | stew | dustybin: "aptitutde search '~c' " would list the packages it would operate on |
| 09:13.48 | Fox_1_ | really? (06:12:24 PM) stoned_enkidu: btw KDE4 in Debian experimental have problems with compositing :-) |
| 09:13.49 | dustybin | stew: ace |
| 09:14.11 | Ongavezyr | Does anybody seen the holy shit muttafucka fat linuks-penguin now? |
| 09:14.33 | stew | Ongavezyr: is this somehow debian related? |
| 09:14.35 | stoned_enkidu | Fox_1_ ya, really :-P cannot enable OpenGL mode |
| 09:14.51 | simonrvn | stoned_enkidu: if you want to support people - newbies - using experimental or unstable, go right ahead, but don't expect others here to do the same. |
| 09:14.57 | Ongavezyr | I think YES |
| 09:15.17 | kunwon1 | Fox_1_, don't use experimental |
| 09:15.18 | stew | Fox_1_: kde4.debian.net would be a better idea for kde4 in lenny. kde4 will start hitting unstable soon after lenny releases |
| 09:15.51 | Fox_1_ | :) ok, thanks people :) |
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| 09:16.19 | Fox_1_ | one more question, as I know testing and lenny repos are the same, am I right? |
| 09:17.14 | stoned_enkidu | simonrvn, I just told em, where are newest versions of pkgs ;-) more of my problems was related with shitty network, than with packages... |
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| 09:18.00 | Fox_1_ | stoned_enkidu: now in your desktop you are using experimental repo? |
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| 09:18.51 | stoned_enkidu | Fox_1_ yes, I am. just for KDE4 |
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| 09:19.41 | Fox_1_ | I have used KDE4 under virtualbox with ubuntu and as understood it isn't stable yet |
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| 09:22.10 | stoned_enkidu | Fox_1_ i'm using KDE4 and it's getting stable, so I can use it as a main WM |
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| 09:23.34 | simonrvn | kde isn't a wm |
| 09:23.57 | Ongavezyr | Does anybody seen the holy shit muttafucka fat linuks-penguin now? |
| 09:24.09 | stoned_enkidu | it is not, but if I use it just to open 'konsole'...:-P |
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| 09:24.24 | simonrvn | thank you stew |
| 09:24.32 | stew | Ongavezyr: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. in the future, please keep it entirely on-topic |
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| 09:27.23 | grick | hi people, apt-get tell me i have a couple of packages with unresolved dependencies, but actually they are resolved via compiled packages. How can i tell apt-get those packages are actually installed? |
| 09:27.26 | Fox_1_ | does testing repo ok for qt4 developer? |
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| 09:27.53 | orgthingy | hi, there's somethign weird: when i click on desktop icons a minimalist nautilus appears |
| 09:28.02 | Fox_1_ | grick: what does apt-get -f install say? |
| 09:28.12 | orgthingy | but when i go to "system tools > file browser" it has a nice full-featured nautilus |
| 09:28.19 | avu | grick, if you haven't built proper packages for the stuff you compiled yourself, you can use equivs |
| 09:28.21 | orgthingy | anybody knows why and how can I fix this :p ? |
| 09:28.47 | stew | grick: the best thing to do is to figure out how to instead install the version of the software you need as a debian package. Faillig that, /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 09:29.04 | savvas | orgthingy: when clicking on desktop icons of nautilus? |
| 09:29.15 | orgthingy | savvas : no, desktop icons of folders |
| 09:29.22 | orgthingy | or when i go to "places " in gnome-panel |
| 09:29.40 | Avelino | Morning staff, I am with a stick on the DNS server, I am with 3 IP in the server eth0 he correctly answered the dns has eth0: 0 and eth0: 1 domain does not respond to them, reminding'm using for dns domain .com |
| 09:30.22 | grick | stew: i know but are system in production, i can't replace whose compiled packages |
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| 09:30.45 | grick | avu: what's equivs? |
| 09:30.52 | avu | !tell grick about equivs |
| 09:31.01 | orgthingy | yet, both are savvas : any idea? |
| 09:31.20 | orgthingy | because I've used GNOME in other distros.. but this thing is weird :p |
| 09:31.33 | savvas | orgthingy: do you mind copy-pasting what you said? I got disconnected unfortunately |
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| 09:32.18 | grick | Fox_1_: to remove the 2 broken packages |
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| 09:33.23 | orgthingy | ah, I'll do in pm |
| 09:33.34 | Fox_1_ | people which one is better compiz or berly for KDE 3.5.10? |
| 09:33.45 | grick | avu: but i can't install equivs :) ( or something else at all ) |
| 09:33.54 | simonrvn | compiz-fusion |
| 09:34.06 | simonrvn | i.e., neither |
| 09:34.27 | avu | grick, sure you can. if apt won't do it, do it manually using dpkg -i |
| 09:34.46 | Fox_1_ | simonrvn: does it in lenyy repo? |
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| 09:35.03 | simonrvn | aptitude install equivs; equivs-foo; edit file; equivs-build |
| 09:35.14 | Ongavezyr | Stew ne hulyulj meg |
| 09:35.28 | Ongavezyr | Stew: !!!!! |
| 09:35.46 | grick | avu: correct :) thank you everybody, i'm going to try |
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| 09:35.51 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: i don't know. /msg dpkg search |
| 09:35.59 | stoned_enkidu | Ongavezyr use english in this channel |
| 09:36.10 | orgthingy | and any idea how to remove swfdec without removing gnome? :p |
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| 09:36.27 | Ongavezyr | stoned_endiku okay brotha'z |
| 09:36.49 | avu | orgthingy, 'gnome' itself is just a meta-package. if you remove any package that 'gnome' depends on, it will be removed as well |
| 09:37.06 | Ongavezyr | TUKS MUST DIE! |
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| 09:37.13 | avu | orgthingy, nothing to worry about, you just won't have that meta-package installed anymore |
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| 09:38.00 | savvas | orgthingy: how did you make the link to the folder? right-click on desktop > create launcher? |
| 09:38.08 | orgthingy | avu : ah, i see |
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| 09:38.22 | orgthingy | savvas : let me take screenshot to show you |
| 09:38.58 | savvas | ok |
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| 09:39.17 | Supaplex | mmmmm cyclades alterpath 48port console server. all mine. |
| 09:39.41 | turneralex | Supaplex: OoOoO |
| 09:39.45 | turneralex | how much? |
| 09:39.55 | Supaplex | about $71 shipped :) |
| 09:39.59 | orgthingy | savvas: http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/2715/screenshotdx0.png |
| 09:40.10 | turneralex | Far out!!! thats awesome |
| 09:40.19 | turneralex | you got 48 machines tho? |
| 09:40.25 | orgthingy | as you can see, the one at background is one i get when i click "applications > system tools > file browser" |
| 09:40.26 | Supaplex | seems to work fine too! 256mb ram, 64mb flash. |
| 09:40.35 | turneralex | very cool |
| 09:40.39 | orgthingy | but when i click desktop-icons (let's say "Home") it opens the one at front |
| 09:40.47 | orgthingy | which doesn't have toolbar or anything |
| 09:40.49 | Supaplex | turneralex: no, but I'll be getting rid of the 16 port cisco 2511's for more :P |
| 09:41.04 | savvas | orgthingy: go to the folder you want using the file browser.. right click on it and choose "Make link" |
| 09:41.12 | turneralex | i've got like 50 servers in my home DC, and the KVM is me walking around the back and plugging the screen in :P |
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| 09:41.28 | savvas | orgthingy: it will make a link to that folder in the same directory, move it to the desktop and try double-click on that link |
| 09:41.30 | simonrvn | that's my kvm too |
| 09:41.36 | Supaplex | haha. we had a "crash cart" we used at my old place for that. |
| 09:41.38 | orgthingy | ok |
| 09:42.00 | Supaplex | at home I have 2 8port cascadable compaq kvm's |
| 09:42.07 | orgthingy | savvas : i did |
| 09:42.09 | turneralex | ahh coool |
| 09:42.13 | orgthingy | still using the one without toolbar |
| 09:42.22 | Kohvihoor | orgthingy |
| 09:42.24 | turneralex | my screen has a 16 port kvm built in, i just need the cables |
| 09:42.25 | Supaplex | I'm not really using the second, but it's on the other side of the room. |
| 09:42.33 | Kohvihoor | go to Edit>Preferences |
| 09:42.36 | simonrvn | you try finding a vga, mac video, mac adb and ps/2 kvm anywhere anymore ;) |
| 09:42.42 | turneralex | lol, i have a 7201 i still need to configure :P |
| 09:42.44 | Kohvihoor | and click on Behavior tab |
| 09:42.59 | Kohvihoor | and there select 'always open in browser windows' |
| 09:43.08 | Kohvihoor | then close nautilus windows. |
| 09:43.19 | Kohvihoor | and now everything will open as the one seen in the background |
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| 09:43.43 | orgthingy | oh, great! thanks Kohbihoor |
| 09:43.52 | orgthingy | now i can enjoy my experience with lenny <3 |
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| 09:43.57 | Kohvihoor | you're welcome. :) |
| 09:44.21 | failsaur | powerpc debian netinst autodetected my wireless (airport) nic! |
| 09:45.13 | Fox_1_ | people which of this DM have more bugs KDE or GNOME? :) |
| 09:45.14 | simonrvn | failsaur: good |
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| 09:45.43 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 09:45.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 09:45.51 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: ^^^ |
| 09:46.26 | savvas | darn I was looking for a "spatial" mode in the edit > preferences :P |
| 09:46.40 | turneralex | Supaplex: where have you gone? |
| 09:46.51 | savvas | That "Always open in browser windows" isn't clear enough |
| 09:47.06 | Kohvihoor | hehe, savvas. i think it was called spatial mode in there in the early days. |
| 09:47.36 | simonrvn | i guess people were saying "WTF is spatial mode?" |
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| 09:48.06 | Kohvihoor | yea, but this 'browser windows' thingy isn't much better. |
| 09:48.12 | simonrvn | what would be nice is spring open dirs, like rox-filer has. |
| 09:48.17 | simonrvn | Kohvihoor: no |
| 09:49.07 | Lagbolt | i love rox-filer :) |
| 09:49.14 | savvas | Kohvihoor: they should change it to "Browse folders in full mode" :p |
| 09:49.25 | simonrvn | Lagbolt: my favourite after mc |
| 09:49.54 | Lagbolt | yeah, mc is nice too. |
| 09:49.54 | Kohvihoor | hehe, yes, something like that, or 'open windows in a single window'. |
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| 09:54.08 | Assid | hi |
| 09:54.28 | Assid | i got a 64bit lenny box.. however, somethings wrong with it big time.. the time keeps going faster and faster |
| 09:54.47 | dustybin | Assid: thats normal, earth time is getting faster |
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| 09:55.19 | jelly-home | Assid: have you fixed the clock tick/frequency settings? |
| 09:55.21 | Assid | well.. its going 0.2seconds PER second quicker than another stratum 2 server |
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| 09:55.36 | turneralex | i cant get the debian installer to start on my v880 :( |
| 09:55.40 | Assid | jelly: i tried.. i did noapic acpi=off and stuff like that |
| 09:55.42 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:55.50 | Supaplex | greetage |
| 09:56.43 | jelly-home | Assid: I didn't say that, but adjtimex -t and -f |
| 09:57.29 | dustybin | ive created some debian howto guides if anyones interested: worldbeyond.net </spam> |
| 09:57.56 | jelly-home | Assid: your adjtimex paste ( http://assid.pastebin.com/d3bb89f0f ) showed the hw clock and system clock could be made to match better |
| 09:57.59 | Assid | jelly-home: how much should i keep it |
| 09:58.52 | Assid | the cmos clock is wrong as well btw |
| 09:59.04 | Fox_1_ | people I can't choose which to use Gnome ot KDE? what will you suggest? |
| 09:59.13 | jelly-home | Assid: does it also go way too fast? |
| 09:59.15 | kunwon1 | Fox_1_, xfce |
| 09:59.18 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 09:59.25 | kunwon1 | :) |
| 09:59.35 | Fox_1_ | no, Kde ot Gnome :) |
| 09:59.42 | Fox_1_ | ot=or |
| 10:00.09 | Fox_1_ | I'm using xfce on my servers, for remote desktop :) |
| 10:00.13 | Assid | jelly-home: doesnt look lke it.. although it isnt synched to the correct time.. its definitely not shooting off like a rocket |
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| 10:00.21 | Assid | jelly-home: its actually behind the actual time |
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| 10:02.32 | jelly-home | Assid: so; set the date with ntpdate, then do a hwclock --systohc, the use adjtimex to get more correct tick/frequency values and set them |
| 10:02.33 | simonrvn | stew: he's back |
| 10:03.23 | jelly-home | Assid: tho your paste looked like a 1% error, not 20% |
| 10:03.45 | Assid | 30 Dec 15:31:56 ntpdate[11819]: step time server 10.11.146.130 offset -3241.125978 sec |
| 10:03.57 | Assid | thats since 4 am (11 hrs ago) drift |
| 10:04.13 | simonrvn | TUXKILLAH: i guess you're too scaredy cat to take it out in public, you have to PM me |
| 10:04.28 | Assid | just ran : ntpdate 10.11.146.130 ; :~# hwclock --systohc |
| 10:04.29 | Assid | err |
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| 10:04.44 | Assid | basically those 2 commands |
| 10:04.55 | Kohvihoor | Fox_1_, kde |
| 10:06.05 | Assid | i already have a 13 seconds drift from the server i just synched with |
| 10:06.14 | jelly-home | Assid: did ntpdate work? can you do another adjtimex -c -i 10 for a minute or two? |
| 10:06.27 | Fox_1_ | Kohvihoor: why? |
| 10:06.32 | Assid | yes it synchs it at first.. then wham.. drifts off |
| 10:07.00 | Kohvihoor | because i'm using it, and it's just more consistent for me. ofcourse, YMMV. |
| 10:07.25 | stew | simonrvn: he's already been silenced, there's no need for that |
| 10:07.54 | simonrvn | oh it's still in effect? d'oh! |
| 10:08.03 | simonrvn | sowwy |
| 10:08.34 | jelly-home | Assid: what was your kernel again? uname -r |
| 10:08.48 | Assid | 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 |
| 10:08.57 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.38 | Assid | jelly-home: http://assid.pastebin.com/d4eac2725 |
| 10:10.37 | jelly-home | Assid: ew. |
| 10:11.28 | simonrvn | Agiofws: why would it? |
| 10:11.29 | jelly-home | Assid: adjtimex -t 9701 -f 4400000 |
| 10:11.36 | Agiofws | dunno |
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| 10:12.04 | Fox_1_ | does KDE applications run under gnome? for example kdesvn? |
| 10:12.11 | Assid | jelly: do i havbe to do that everytime i restart? |
| 10:12.15 | jelly-home | Assid: then again hwclock --systohc; adjtimex -i -c 10 |
| 10:12.18 | Agiofws | Fox_1_, yes they can |
| 10:12.27 | jelly-home | Assid: no, the setting is stored in /etc |
| 10:12.33 | simonrvn | Fox_1_: why wouldn't they work? |
| 10:12.39 | Supaplex | Agiofws: I run some kde apps under openbox3 just fine. |
| 10:12.55 | jelly-home | Assid: but there's something seriously wrong with the clock ;-) |
| 10:13.24 | Supaplex | it's time to get a new one. HAH |
| 10:13.34 | Assid | jelly: im seeing the drift come down.. i have a watch ntpdate -q on one of my time servers |
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| 10:14.00 | Assid | repeat interval out of range |
| 10:14.01 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks for all people :) I have decided to use debian's testing repo, gnome + compiz-fusion. |
| 10:14.08 | Assid | thats what i get when i run hwclock --systohc; adjtimex -i -c 10 |
| 10:14.21 | jelly-home | Assid: eh, sorry, -c -i 10 |
| 10:14.59 | jelly-home | Assid: I guess the 1800s difference could be due to some timezone setting |
| 10:15.14 | Assid | yeah asia/kolkatta |
| 10:15.24 | jelly-home | Assid: what's your offset to GMT/UTC? |
| 10:15.28 | Assid | +5.5 |
| 10:15.47 | jelly-home | Assid: if this is a dedicated machine, I'd strongly suggest keeping the hwclock in UTC |
| 10:16.14 | simonrvn | for real |
| 10:16.20 | Assid | jelly-home: i dont have a problem with that. |
| 10:16.30 | Assid | the machine itself is in US |
| 10:16.49 | jelly-home | Assid: and using --utc with hwclock |
| 10:17.04 | Assid | Tuesday 30 December 2008 03:47:42 PM IST -0.299067 seconds |
| 10:17.13 | jelly-home | Assid: grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 10:17.24 | Assid | UTC=yes |
| 10:17.41 | jelly-home | so we should have done it with --utc from the beginning, my bad |
| 10:17.45 | Assid | your pretty good at this .. come acorss this before? |
| 10:18.01 | jelly-home | bad clocks are a global constant |
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| 10:18.19 | Assid | apparently |
| 10:18.24 | Assid | so am i done? |
| 10:19.02 | jelly-home | Assid: what's your drift now? |
| 10:19.21 | Assid | 30 Dec 15:49:52 ntpdate[12697]: step time server 10.11.146.130 offset -36.396734 sec |
| 10:19.37 | jelly-home | Assid: I'd do another hwclock --utc --systohc at this point |
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| 10:19.50 | Supaplex | turneralex: yay. got it up :) |
| 10:19.57 | Assid | that will keep my hwclock in utc? |
| 10:20.18 | Fox_1_ | people does gnome have something like "kde wallet"? |
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| 10:20.41 | jelly-home | Assid: the system is already set up to keep it in UTC, I just forgot to check the rcS setting first |
| 10:20.51 | Fulgore | hello, i would like to know wich mail application is used by Debian by default for sending a mail with a Command line: mail etc ..... |
| 10:21.21 | Assid | i see.. was tha thte reason of the huge drift? |
| 10:21.59 | Assid | server 10.11.146.130, stratum 2, offset -31.726575, delay 0.05847 |
| 10:22.02 | Assid | still coming down |
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| 10:22.33 | shifty | hi all |
| 10:22.38 | Assid | jelly-home: do i still need noapic and acpi=off and such? |
| 10:22.39 | joltcan | Fulgore: mailx is the default cli command to send mail |
| 10:22.59 | joltcan | Fulgore: and the default MTA is exim4 |
| 10:23.00 | jelly-home | Assid: I wouldn't use those if they made no difference |
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| 10:23.29 | shifty | how can i hotplug a sata harddisk? i plugged it with power and sata cable, but my debian doesnt recognize the drive :( |
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| 10:24.08 | j`ey | is there anywhere that details packages etc that could be removed |
| 10:24.14 | j`ey | for a low resource system |
| 10:24.17 | j`ey | (netbook) |
| 10:24.24 | Assid | okay let me reboot |
| 10:24.28 | Assid | hopefully this will work now |
| 10:24.29 | jelly-home | Assid: there are some clock= or clocksource= kernel parameters that might or might not make things better; I don't know much about those |
| 10:24.38 | _SlayerXP | shifty: unless both your sata controller supports hotplug, that was an unwise thing to do |
| 10:24.51 | shifty | it supports hotplug |
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| 10:25.33 | Assid | jelly: i just re-synched it with my timeserver.. and its started gaining again |
| 10:25.45 | jelly-home | Assid: if you fixed the clock with kernel parameter, you'll have to change the tick value again (frequency is just finetuning and less important) |
| 10:25.59 | Fulgore | ty joltcan , this is because when i do a mail -s "blalbal" , text, ctrl + D , i dont receive any mails in my internal network, thats strange |
| 10:26.11 | Fulgore | and i hoped that the mailer wasnt started .... |
| 10:26.11 | jelly-home | Assid: did you start ntpd again? |
| 10:26.26 | Assid | jelly-home: i just ntpdate against my timeserver |
| 10:26.29 | Assid | to help it synch |
| 10:26.41 | jelly-home | Assid: hm. |
| 10:26.54 | Assid | 3.5 seconds off already |
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| 10:27.11 | Assid | 4 secs |
| 10:27.29 | jelly-home | Assid: in the same direction as before? |
| 10:27.37 | Assid | yep faster and faster |
| 10:28.00 | jelly-home | Assid: just for fun, can you set the tick value to 12000 ? |
| 10:28.11 | simonrvn | that's a fucked up clock... |
| 10:28.25 | Assid | simonrvn: yeah |
| 10:28.45 | Assid | adjtimex -t 12000 ?? |
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| 10:28.54 | simonrvn | (stating the obvious again, heh) |
| 10:29.12 | j`ey | is there anywhere that details packages etc that could be removed, for a low resource system (netbook) |
| 10:29.15 | jelly-home | Assid: yep |
| 10:29.20 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d7d57b741 |
| 10:29.48 | jelly-home | Assid: so it won't do more than 10% adjustment |
| 10:29.54 | shifty | _SlayerXP, my mainboard / sata controller supports hotplug, the driver is ahci |
| 10:30.24 | Assid | im slowly starting to lose it.. i cant use this box if the time goes whacko |
| 10:30.40 | jelly-home | Assid: can you boot a non-openvz kernel, just for fun? |
| 10:30.58 | Assid | grub-reboot is a 0 based index? |
| 10:31.11 | jelly-home | Assid: grub counts from 0, yes |
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| 10:31.23 | jelly-home | has no idea what grub-reboot is |
| 10:31.41 | Assid | rebooting |
| 10:32.06 | Assid | basically savedefault --once --default=2 |
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| 10:32.21 | jelly-home | ah, a nice wrapper |
| 10:32.31 | Assid | yep |
| 10:32.56 | Assid | btw.. that kernel is probably the one that came with the iso i loaded |
| 10:34.01 | Assid | crap ive not even taken a shower.. been on the pc and cell all day |
| 10:34.23 | joltcan | Fulgore: the default is only to do local delivery on the box itself, you have to reconfigure exim if you want to be able to send to other systems |
| 10:34.35 | Fulgore | thats strange :s |
| 10:34.52 | Fulgore | i used Evolution as mail client and i can send/receive mails |
| 10:34.55 | Fulgore | but when i do mail -s etc ..... it doesnt work |
| 10:35.00 | Assid | okay stopped ntp daemon.. kept a watch on ntpdate -q |
| 10:35.01 | dios_mio | why is it that firefox uses 80+% cpu time and gets saturated often? |
| 10:35.03 | Assid | and its still going up |
| 10:35.05 | joltcan | Fulgore: No, you don't want to have a unconfigured mailserver on internet by default |
| 10:35.06 | dios_mio | I have only youtube and facebook open |
| 10:35.16 | Assid | 4.9 5.1 5.3 |
| 10:35.29 | Assid | its going up like crazy |
| 10:35.35 | Assid | 7.0 |
| 10:35.49 | Assid | drift is at 8.01 already |
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| 10:36.25 | Fulgore | in fact, im using GLPI , a heldespg opensource application, and when i put the correct infos for sending mail, it doesnt work, i dont receive anything, but when i check /var/spool/mail/www-data , the maisl are stored there and dont go into administror@mydomain.fr |
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| 10:38.09 | Assid | jelly-home: http://assid.pastebin.com/d2e9f0702 |
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| 10:38.40 | Fulgore | you see joltcan :) |
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| 10:40.37 | failsaur | In apache on debian, what is the default serverroot, /var/www ? |
| 10:40.46 | failsaur | I need to decide on a partitioning scheme |
| 10:41.11 | Assid | jelly-home: ? |
| 10:41.23 | joltcan | Fulgore: Yes, because you have to tell exim to allow to send mail. I think it's something like "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" or something like that. Or have a look at the intro doc under /usr/share/doc/exim* |
| 10:41.29 | dios_mio | why is it that firefox uses 80+% cpu time and gets saturated often? I have only youtube and facebook open |
| 10:41.46 | pepperbob | failsaur: yes its /var/www |
| 10:41.48 | Fulgore | k ty |
| 10:42.15 | failsaur | thanks |
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| 10:44.42 | ssc | Hello Folks! How can i enable TLS support for exim4 in Debian/Lenny? |
| 10:44.53 | yang | After ntp package is being installed, the time doesn't get set automatically, not even after 1 day ? |
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| 10:45.19 | Assid | yang: ntpq -p |
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| 10:46.48 | yang | Assid: it say error, but i have these in ntp.conf > server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic |
| 10:46.51 | Jemt | Hello. Is it possible to have both the ordinary nVidia driver AND the Legacy driver installed? I use my Debian Lenny installation on multiple computers with different graphic cards (installed onto a USB Flash device) |
| 10:47.09 | Assid | yang: cna you be specific on the error |
| 10:47.14 | jelly-home | Assid: going afk for a while, sorry |
| 10:47.26 | yang | Assid: just a econd, it could be a vserver issue |
| 10:47.28 | Assid | jelly-home: no issues.. im gonna go work and get ready as well.. |
| 10:47.32 | Assid | vserver ? |
| 10:47.46 | yang | yes, maybe its getting time only from the main host |
| 10:47.52 | Assid | no .. im on the host node itself |
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| 10:48.39 | Assid | would make no sense setting time on the container .. you set the time on the host.. the containers update themselves.. simple logic.. |
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| 10:49.23 | yang | Assid: my error is like localhost: timed out, nothing received |
| 10:49.23 | yang | ***Request timed out |
| 10:50.00 | Assid | hrmm .. okay start the daemon .. /etc/init.d/ntp start |
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| 10:57.45 | yang | Assid: its been started for over 1 day |
| 10:58.14 | Assid | yang: ps -ef |grep ntp |
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| 10:59.36 | olejorge1b | how can I get gdmflexiserver to behave like it used too? (permitting multiple logins from same account) |
| 10:59.44 | Assid | brb |
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| 11:01.36 | Crowler | ok, now i am running blackbox on p233/32mb ram note and i need twin panel file manager, which doesnt depend on gnome or kde, but is close in functionality to krusader |
| 11:01.46 | Crowler | any suggestions? |
| 11:01.49 | enouf | Jemt: sure, when i did the nvidia binary blob once, i didn't have to remove the Xorg nv driver |
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| 11:02.46 | Jemt | enouf: oh, that's not what I want. I want both the 173.xx series driver AND the 96xx driver installed. But I guess they overwrite each other (same module name and such) |
| 11:03.09 | enouf | Jemt: oh crap, i misread .. |
| 11:03.23 | Jemt | enouf: Oh I explained it badly :) |
| 11:03.36 | enouf | ;-) |
| 11:03.48 | Jemt | enouf: I'm writing a script that uninstalls/installs the driver I need. There is a script on the Wiki that I'm able to modify to my needs |
| 11:03.59 | enouf | Jemt: i would doubt that, ask #nvidia? |
| 11:04.41 | Jemt | They probably dosn't know much about how the nvidia drivers are installed from the Lenny repository |
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| 11:05.05 | Jemt | I don't install the drivers from the official NVidia package - I use aptitude to install |
| 11:05.12 | enouf | Jemt: that really shouldn't matter (using the debian way, or nvidia.run way) |
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| 11:05.23 | Jemt | enouf: Okay |
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| 11:05.39 | enouf | Jemt: i mean, as it pertains to your question |
| 11:06.38 | Jemt | Okay. Otherwise I find the script solution useful too |
| 11:07.04 | joltcan | ssc: I use a single exim4.conf file so it might be different for you. I've added this: http://04eeb6e1956eae1c.paste.se/ |
| 11:07.09 | enouf | though sure, when nvidia.run is used over the debian way, we ask that users ask in #nvidia - but i'm not sure where to ask that one, and i have no good answer offhand :-P |
| 11:08.13 | Jemt | Hehe, okay, that's fine. I actually enjoy myself playing around with these scripts :) |
| 11:08.49 | enouf | Jemt: i would think since each driver builds and uses it's own kernel module that it's dependent upon what that actually does - IINM, the GLX stuffs are userspace libs and only need installation once, not like the kernel module that requires recompiling for each kernel version you use |
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| 11:09.35 | Crowler | no blackbox users here? |
| 11:09.37 | enouf | Jemt: although, the GLX stuffs might/are quite different between 173.x vs 96xx legacy versions say? |
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| 11:10.33 | Jemt | Well, I only use the pre compiled modules. My guess would be that at least nvidia.ko would be overwritten by the driver being installed second - they have the same name. So I can't imagen that both drivers are able to co-exist |
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| 11:11.39 | Jemt | Hm, right now I need to figure out how to download packages for a given application (that's easy; aptitude download <app>). But what do I do to have dependencies included? |
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| 11:14.52 | Lagbolt | Jemt, what do you mean? aptitude will bring in all the needed dependencies |
| 11:15.33 | Jemt | Lagbolt: If I do ie 'aptitude download armagetron', then I will only get one single .deb file - not it's dependencies (I just tried) |
| 11:15.35 | Lagbolt | Jemt, do you want them downloaded? or installed? aptitude build-dep |
| 11:15.40 | Jemt | Downloaded |
| 11:15.53 | Jemt | Checking build-dep |
| 11:16.02 | Lagbolt | ah how about "aptitude -d install armagetron" |
| 11:16.13 | Lagbolt | that will download and not install all the packages to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:17.01 | Lagbolt | Jemt, you could also do the line above, and select no. then do aptitude download on all the packages it wants to install |
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| 11:17.20 | Jemt | Lagbolt: I guess I could clean the 'archives' folder first, so that it only contains the packages relevant to ie 'armagetron' |
| 11:17.25 | Lagbolt | Jemt, oh wait, you can also do "-D" show deps |
| 11:17.31 | Jemt | Checking |
| 11:17.49 | hello_open_sourc | Hello, what is the way to "byposs" this question anyway? aptitude -o Aptitude::Ignore-Trust-Violations=true -y install I am stil getting Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? |
| 11:17.52 | Lagbolt | you have lots of options. just read the man page. i would say do a -D and then download them all . |
| 11:17.53 | hello_open_sourc | any idea? |
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| 11:19.04 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Yes, but I have to do the downloading of a hundred packages by hand then :p |
| 11:19.05 | Lagbolt | hello_open_sourc, hmm dunno. |
| 11:19.23 | Lagbolt | Jemt, i would suspect you can do "aptitude download package1 package2 package3 etc etc " |
| 11:19.23 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Or at least write a simple parser script that extracts the dependencies |
| 11:19.34 | Jemt | Oh, of course |
| 11:19.38 | Jemt | I'll try that :) |
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| 11:20.03 | enouf | Jemt: you only use which precompiled modules? If you mean nvidia binary blobs - Are you aware that module-assistant is what compiles it for you? |
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| 11:21.12 | enouf | Jemt: in that case - concerning armagetron, you could just create your own metapackage |
| 11:21.20 | enouf | !metapackage |
| 11:21.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
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| 11:21.36 | Jemt | enouf: I don't need m-a to build anything (at least not on Lenny). I need these packages, that's all: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686 nvidia-settings nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 11:21.53 | yang | Which is the maximum supported amount of ram for 32-bit debian installation? |
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| 11:22.28 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, fancy. But I would still have to download all the dependencies |
| 11:22.31 | enouf | Jemt: i didn't say you needed it |
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| 11:22.39 | enouf | Jemt: i said the Debian Way uses it |
| 11:22.45 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, ok :) |
| 11:23.06 | enouf | yang: 64G |
| 11:23.08 | jelly | yang: 64GB with a -bigmem kernel |
| 11:23.14 | yang | oh |
| 11:23.16 | yang | nice |
| 11:23.19 | enouf | yang: you need a -bigmem .. heh |
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| 11:23.46 | jelly | yang: or an -amd64 kernel if your cpu is 64-bit capable |
| 11:24.06 | enouf | Jemt: heh, nvidia-settings? .. oh right, i was thinking of nvidia-xconfig that does one thing only :-P |
| 11:24.33 | Jemt | I actually dosn't use it at all - might as well leave it out :) |
| 11:24.55 | miki | ^^i want to help a project |
| 11:24.58 | enouf | Jemt: for the 173.x drivers don't you need that/those nvidia-graphics-drivers-* i mentioned way back?> |
| 11:25.05 | ssc | joltcan: I use a single exim4.conf as well, but when i call one of these, i get option "tls*" unknown. |
| 11:25.31 | yang | windows have a 3.5 Gb limitation on 32bit version :/ |
| 11:25.53 | enouf | yang: pass it the /pae option in boot.ini ? |
| 11:26.00 | enouf | yang: ask ##windows |
| 11:26.18 | enouf | yang: IIRC, yes, Blista does have that limitation, not XPoop though |
| 11:26.36 | Jemt | enouf: I have only tested the legacy drivers so far, so can't be sure |
| 11:26.49 | enouf | alrighty |
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| 11:27.31 | enouf | Jemt: hrm, you got a newer card now? one that can use 96xx over the 71xx? |
| 11:27.35 | joltcan | ssc: That's strange. TLS is included in exim4-daemon-light, which is the default. What version of exim are you using? |
| 11:27.52 | miki | ^^May I participate you in a project? |
| 11:27.57 | Jemt | enouf: Yes, Geforce 4 MX440 works fine with the 96xx series driver from repos. |
| 11:29.27 | enouf | Jemt: going fron the mtime/dates on files/pkgs i have in /usr/src, and which i pasted when i first started down this road with you - for 2.6.26, i have these; nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686_96.43.07-1+2.6.26-4_i386.deb and nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx-96.43.07 and |
| 11:29.35 | ssc | joltcan: exim4-daemon-heavy 4.69-9 |
| 11:30.18 | ssc | joltcan: libgnutls13 1.4.4-3+etch1 and libgnutls26 2.4.2-4 |
| 11:30.29 | Jemt | enouf: Odd. All I needed was: nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-686 and nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx. And then I performed a 'depmod -a' to make the module available |
| 11:30.43 | enouf | Jemt: er .. those 2 only - but /usr/src/modules contains a nvidia-kernel dir/ and a nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx dir/ |
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| 11:31.15 | ssc | joltcan: the binary is as well linked to "libgnutls.so.26 => /usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26 (0x00007f1d7b1fd000" |
| 11:31.21 | enouf | Jemt: maybe the pkg names have changed, stuff moved around - this was back in Septemeber i did this |
| 11:31.29 | Jemt | enouf: Not sure, I'm not at the nvidia computer right now. But as far as I remember, I only had one nvidia folder containing the module |
| 11:31.45 | miki | i want to join Open Source dev |
| 11:31.58 | Jemt | enouf: That could be. But let me check it when I'm at the nVidia computer later |
| 11:32.14 | enouf | ok |
| 11:32.26 | joltcan | ssc: strange++ |
| 11:32.38 | ssc | joltcan: strange-- |
| 11:32.57 | ssc | joltcan: damn, i got it in the wrong place within the configuration file. |
| 11:32.58 | ssc | warr |
| 11:33.08 | ssc | joltcan: well, thanks anyways ;) |
| 11:33.19 | miki | i.want.help(Debian); |
| 11:33.26 | enouf | Jemt: righto .. mine's a gf2 :-/ |
| 11:34.04 | joltcan | ssc: np! |
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| 11:34.15 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, yes - that could be why |
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| 11:36.13 | enouf | Jemt: be why what? the differences in files/dirs? i think not |
| 11:36.32 | enouf | Jemt: i was just weeping cause the gf2 series sucks much worse than gf4 :-P |
| 11:37.52 | Jemt | Oh, hehe. I thought you realized some differences in the directory structure |
| 11:38.09 | Jemt | Yes, I was quite happy when I got my fingers on a GeForce 4 card :) |
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| 11:39.07 | rgr | Can anyone advise on getting xvidcap to record suond properly? A quick google seems to suggest its hosed when using Alsa in many cases. |
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| 11:40.57 | hello_open_sourc | Lagbolt: I find it, I need to use CmLine word, like this aptitude -o Aptitude::Cmdline::ignore-trust-violations=true |
| 11:41.09 | Lagbolt | hello_open_sourc, ah cool |
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| 12:00.12 | alphanet | hello, it looks the kernel-patch-openvz no longer applies to the latest linux-source-2.6.18 (happened already in march 2008 and was fixed). Or is there a better way *except* adding etchnhalf sources.list (there is an etchnhalf 2.6.24 kernel source in etch, but it doesn't have openvz either nor can I apply the kernel-patch-openvz from it) |
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| 12:05.44 | jelly | alphanet: hm, you could use a .26 kernel from lenny is desperate enough |
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| 12:05.49 | jelly | s/is/if/ |
| 12:06.06 | alphanet | jelly: I prefer not to itall non stable stuff |
| 12:06.11 | alphanet | jelly: install |
| 12:06.20 | alphanet | jelly: I am creating my own patch for now |
| 12:06.22 | jelly | nods |
| 12:06.33 | Assid | jelly: |
| 12:06.39 | j`ey | weird |
| 12:06.45 | j`ey | i saw '12:06:59 * jelly nods' |
| 12:06.45 | alphanet | jelly: thank you anyway :) |
| 12:06.51 | j`ey | and thought it said j`ey |
| 12:06.56 | alphanet | (I will also report the bug as soon as it works again) |
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| 12:13.42 | enouf | alphanet: does the etch-backports .26 have the openvz stuff avail? |
| 12:13.49 | nick4 | I can change language with CTRL+ALT on pure console but not inside Xfce. In a previous installation I could :-/ |
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| 12:15.05 | alphanet | enouf: just a moment |
| 12:15.21 | enouf | nick4: sounds like you need to tweak whatever applet-type-thing xfce uses for changing keymaps/languages |
| 12:15.27 | nick4 | ahh |
| 12:15.37 | nick4 | control panel |
| 12:16.18 | nick4 | no, it's not there |
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| 12:17.06 | vovo4ka | hi ! i need help with pptpd 8-) any guru here? ) |
| 12:17.43 | enouf | nick4: find relevant #xfce channels? or .. are you also using gnome? Is xfce set as default x-session-manager? man update-alternatives (--config x-*) |
| 12:17.53 | nick4 | yes, default |
| 12:18.09 | nick4 | enouf but I googled "xfce keymaps/languages" and I think I got it! thanks! |
| 12:18.16 | enouf | nick4: or .. for gnome stuffs, fire up gconf-editor? maybe you're just missing the applets pkg? |
| 12:18.20 | enouf | oh ok |
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| 12:18.50 | nick4 | xorg restart, brb |
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| 12:19.42 | filka | help me |
| 12:19.46 | Assid | enouf: i moved to lenny cause i didnt wanna use them backports. |
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| 12:19.52 | filka | what is the command to add a user with adding /home dir for him? |
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| 12:20.00 | filka | useradd user -w ? |
| 12:20.00 | Assid | besides... a new system. made more sense to do so |
| 12:20.00 | filka | or what |
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| 12:20.33 | filka | help? |
| 12:20.35 | alphanet | enouf: should I use backports.org? or is there now a semi-official backports.net? |
| 12:22.13 | schme | filka: man adduser |
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| 12:22.29 | alphanet | enouf: I found a .26 on backports.org |
| 12:22.46 | schme | filka: or man useradd , either one |
| 12:22.49 | pingouin | how can i get a 'clean' modprobe ? i'm changing sound card, and there is a lot of reference to old embeded mobo chips in modprobe.d |
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| 12:24.01 | enouf | alphanet: usage of backports.org is up to you - i just wasn't sure whether there was also a openvz patch for it |
| 12:24.20 | alphanet | enouf: mhh, no debian subdir in the linux-source-2.6.26, did they change the format again? |
| 12:24.27 | Assid | jelly: you around? |
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| 12:24.35 | alphanet | enouf: I don't see any OpenVZ options in its Documentation/Configure.help |
| 12:24.48 | Assid | i need help with this stupid timing thing |
| 12:24.50 | Assid | its going bonkers |
| 12:25.08 | enouf | alphanet: hrm .. well, it was just a thought, that you might want to look at/for - i guess you'll want a lenny .26 kernel then |
| 12:25.26 | enouf | Assid: yikes, .. still? |
| 12:25.37 | Assid | enouf: unfortunately yes |
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| 12:25.46 | Assid | i cant use that box at this rate :( |
| 12:25.51 | enouf | Assid: have you tried hwclock .. --directisa ? |
| 12:25.52 | alphanet | hmm, where is my Configure.help (apparently things have changed) |
| 12:26.27 | enouf | Assid: what does dmesg say about the various timers? ACPI, hpet, tsc, rtc, etc |
| 12:26.53 | alphanet | enouf: looks like there is some openvz code there though |
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| 12:28.45 | enouf | alphanet: the thing about the etch* kernels (.18, .24, .26) is that they've all been backported to work with etch software/libc6, etc |
| 12:29.02 | JyZyXEL | can yeoue do something cool with 4 1TB external USB HDD's? |
| 12:29.03 | alphanet | enouf: it looks like definitely some OpenVZ support was added, such as memory accounting, in .26, but no OpenVZ itself. |
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| 12:29.06 | alphanet | enouf: yep |
| 12:29.15 | JyZyXEL | like raid them? |
| 12:29.16 | alphanet | enouf: ok, so I will continue modifying the patch manually |
| 12:29.27 | Assid | enouf: --rtc --utc ? its still going up |
| 12:29.30 | enouf | but i guess since the openvz thing is so kernel related, that versions and changes upstream affect what's inside each ;-) |
| 12:30.02 | enouf | JyZyXEL: sure .. why not? ;-) |
| 12:30.12 | JyZyXEL | RAID5 em? |
| 12:30.20 | enouf | do you really want to? |
| 12:30.23 | alphanet | enouf: I was expecting that kernel-patch-openvz was now openvz-source (kernel subsystem, aka Debian modules) |
| 12:30.28 | Agiofws | hi |
| 12:30.28 | JyZyXEL | lol y not? |
| 12:30.30 | Agiofws | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 12:30.42 | JyZyXEL | Agiofws i get that all the time |
| 12:30.46 | JyZyXEL | its not a biggie |
| 12:30.47 | Agiofws | where do i insert that key in my distro ? |
| 12:30.52 | Agiofws | ok .. ? |
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| 12:31.02 | enouf | alphanet: i was just suggesting somethings to look at for possible other options for you - i don't know much about it at all |
| 12:31.16 | alphanet | enouf: thank you! |
| 12:31.33 | enouf | JyZyXEL: b/c you can accidentally pull the cable out? for one :-P |
| 12:31.44 | JyZyXEL | enouf and that is a problem? |
| 12:31.47 | alphanet | enouf: (I just noticed I may have to learn again a few things for lenny. Hopefully I can stay on etch for some years) |
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| 12:32.49 | enouf | JyZyXEL: depends, it very well could mean disaster ... are you going to use softraid or a hardware raid, using cache or not? got a UPS or not? which FSTypes? |
| 12:33.19 | enouf | alphanet: learning is what it's all about - never stop ;-) |
| 12:33.23 | JyZyXEL | enouf hardware raid for USB? :-D |
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| 12:33.54 | enouf | JyZyXEL: why not? is that a problem?(to flip your question) |
| 12:34.10 | JyZyXEL | there is no such hardware is there |
| 12:34.47 | enouf | JyZyXEL: er .. let's ask google ;-) |
| 12:35.22 | JyZyXEL | lol i should try RAID with USB sticks |
| 12:35.28 | JyZyXEL | never tried raid |
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| 12:36.58 | enouf | JyZyXEL: http://sansdigital-shop.com/momr4baysato.html |
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| 12:37.28 | JyZyXEL | lollerskaters |
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| 12:39.24 | JyZyXEL | well ill just get drunk then |
| 12:39.31 | Araneidae | Anybody know how to configure the HELO name in exim4 with Debian? It seems that dc_visiblename is ignored! |
| 12:39.32 | Mardeni | cool |
| 12:41.45 | joltcan | Araneidae: maybe it's in /etc/mailname? |
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| 12:42.20 | enouf | JyZyXEL: interesting options; http://www.firewiregear.net/Category.cfm?catid=497&CAT=497&AZX= |
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| 12:42.46 | Araneidae | Well, the right name is in /etc/mailname, but when I send the mail it reports as coming from $(hostname) |
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| 12:45.27 | Vandrizm | http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081229 |
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| 12:47.24 | Araneidae | Somehow I need to set primary_hostname ... |
| 12:47.43 | Araneidae | Unfortunately in #exim they say "go to #debian"! |
| 12:47.43 | enouf | Araneidae: have you looked at all the various update-exim* commands? file:///usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.html might be useful? |
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| 12:48.11 | joltcan | Araneidae: what is sending the mail? |
| 12:48.21 | Araneidae | enouf, I'm looking, I'm looking. But I'm overwhelmed by the volume of documentation! |
| 12:48.48 | enouf | "rgrep -il primary_hostname /usr/share/doc/exim4-doc-html/" |
| 12:48.49 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1296352 |
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| 12:49.26 | Araneidae | enouf, I'm getting there, but it took quite a while to discover primary_hostname as the key to search for! |
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| 12:51.08 | enouf | Araneidae: understood ;-) |
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| 12:52.22 | Araneidae | Unfortunately there's a Debian layer between me and the true exim format file, and I still don't see *where* to configure this! Searching ... |
| 12:53.07 | Araneidae | I think the fact that your list of hits goes up to ch 52 shows part of the problem! |
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| 13:03.15 | pingouin | how can i get a 'clean' modprobe ? i'm changing sound card, and there is a lot of reference to old embeded mobo chips in modprobe.d |
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| 13:03.47 | orgthingy | hi |
| 13:03.48 | orgthingy | sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440 |
| 13:03.53 | orgthingy | what chmox should i use again? |
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| 13:04.34 | cahoot | pingouin: blacklist the onboard device's module? |
| 13:04.40 | orgthingy | chmod* |
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| 13:05.18 | ghaleb | hello, I'm trying to install a linux router I installed DHCP and wrote the following policy: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.20.1.1/16 -j MASQUERADE , but the clients aren't able to open internet |
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| 13:10.56 | enouf | Araneidae: i keep forgetting where the extensive docs in text format are - file:///usr/share/doc/exim4-base/spec.txt.gz |
| 13:11.53 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, have the clients an IP address assigned? Did yo enable the ip4_forward in /proc filesystem? |
| 13:12.11 | orgthingy | anybody can help me with this? http://pastebin.com/d63e8dbe6 |
| 13:12.14 | orgthingy | pretty weird problem |
| 13:12.17 | enouf | although file:///usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.{html,gz} has debian specific info, as well as other docs in the parent dir |
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| 13:12.45 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: yes, they ping , and ip_forwarding is 1 |
| 13:14.02 | dustybin | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogomips |
| 13:14.04 | Will-O-The-Wisp | orgthingy, try "chmod 440 /etc/sudoers" and then use sudo command please |
| 13:14.05 | dustybin | bogomips ftw |
| 13:14.20 | pingouin | cahoot: thanks for the clue, gonna give it a try |
| 13:14.38 | enouf | pingouin: running alsaconf should help |
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| 13:15.10 | pingouin | thanks enouf going to try it also |
| 13:15.15 | orgthingy | Will-O-TheWisp : ok, now what about the "Root Terminal" issue? |
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| 13:15.22 | Vyrus001 | anybody know if / why the debian version of asterisk does not contain the RAND function? |
| 13:15.31 | enouf | pingouin: /msg dpkg alsa checklist (for more) |
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| 13:17.33 | Will-O-The-Wisp | orgthingy, sorry, I don't read this issue. Can u repeat it please? |
| 13:17.56 | orgthingy | http://pastebin.com/d63e8dbe6 here |
| 13:17.59 | Araneidae | enouf, that's the document I'm actually reading |
| 13:18.14 | orgthingy | only way i could fix it was to use ROXTerm instead of GNOME-Terminal as root terminal ! |
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| 13:18.24 | orgthingy | but i wonder if this is a deeper issue, Will-O-The-Wisp |
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| 13:19.06 | Araneidae | Well, I've set primary_hostname in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template, regenerated the config, restarted exim4, and retested. |
| 13:19.32 | Will-O-The-Wisp | orgthingy, sorry, I don't know this problem ;( |
| 13:19.45 | orgthingy | Actually, same thing with roxterm |
| 13:19.47 | orgthingy | hmm :'( |
| 13:19.51 | enouf | Araneidae: well, i view it in my links2 -g browser, and easily search it for all relevant keywords (/, then <keyword>, Enter) and all relevant words are highlighted ;-) |
| 13:19.51 | Will-O-The-Wisp | maybe a problem with DBus daemon |
| 13:19.59 | dios_mio | isnt exim4 a mail server sort of thing? |
| 13:20.09 | Araneidae | The system I'm sending to reports: Received: from unknown (HELO the-right-domain) (the-right-ip) |
| 13:20.10 | orgthingy | anybody here is experience with DBus daemon thing? |
| 13:20.11 | enouf | dios_mio: it's an MTA |
| 13:20.17 | Araneidae | So I don't know if I'm there yet... |
| 13:20.27 | enouf | !tell dios_mio -about MTA |
| 13:20.46 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, maybe a misconfigured policy or route in router server? |
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| 13:21.55 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: well, the default gw is set in the linux router , I can apt-get update ;) |
| 13:22.08 | Araneidae | Looks like the "unknown" might be a feature of the receiver |
| 13:22.15 | enouf | Araneidae: don't forget the man update-exim4* commands |
| 13:22.35 | enouf | ~$ man update-exim4 |
| 13:22.35 | enouf | update-exim4.conf update-exim4.conf.conf update-exim4.conf.template update-exim4defaults |
| 13:22.59 | Araneidae | Yep. Ran update-exim4.conf && /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
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| 13:23.39 | Araneidae | Think things seem to be in order now, guess I'll see whether my mails get rejected where they shouldn't |
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| 13:24.08 | Araneidae | is moving from sendmail on FreeBSD to exim4 on Debian |
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| 13:25.16 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: here is my nat-ing script http://rafb.net/p/99z4Vb61.html |
| 13:25.33 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, ok, one minute please |
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| 13:27.53 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, did you try iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE? |
| 13:28.19 | Will-O-The-Wisp | what policies are in the different chains? |
| 13:28.25 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ACCEPT all? |
| 13:28.41 | orgthingy | is crying regarding http://pastebin.com/d63e8dbe6 |
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| 13:28.46 | orgthingy | poor dbus! |
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| 13:31.04 | enouf | orgthingy: are you attempting a remote login? |
| 13:31.20 | enouf | orgthingy: /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 13:31.29 | enouf | orgthingy: and try gksudo instead |
| 13:31.33 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: yes I tried , and all chains are ACCEPT in both nat and iptables |
| 13:31.44 | ghaleb | filter iptables * |
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| 13:32.56 | enouf | orgthingy: is selinux running? or (ugh) apparmor? are ACLs being enforced? |
| 13:33.05 | orgthingy | i use gksu |
| 13:33.06 | orgthingy | but ok |
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| 13:33.13 | enouf | what? |
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| 13:33.29 | orgthingy | sorry, i disconnected for few seconds |
| 13:33.34 | enouf | try answering the questions presented |
| 13:33.46 | enouf | how convenient |
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| 13:34.33 | orgthingy | enouf : k, second |
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| 13:35.29 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, if you try traceroute from a client machine to ... 198.133.219.25 (www.cisco.com), what is the last hop? router server, isn't it? |
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| 13:35.56 | orgthingy | hmm, enouf, how im supposed to know if ACLs are being enforced? |
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| 13:36.41 | Will-O-The-Wisp | orgthingy, use getenforce command |
| 13:36.43 | enouf | orgthingy: mount options, and getfacl commands |
| 13:36.49 | Will-O-The-Wisp | if you use SELinux |
| 13:37.04 | enouf | orgthingy: dmesg | grep -i selinux |
| 13:37.07 | orgthingy | ok |
| 13:37.25 | orgthingy | [ 0.084005] SELinux: Disabled at boot. |
| 13:37.27 | orgthingy | what o_O |
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| 13:37.43 | enouf | good |
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| 13:38.08 | enouf | though, that's pertaining to your localhost / machine ... |
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| 13:39.23 | CoolCold | does anybody knows, are there any counters for file open/stat ? |
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| 13:40.14 | nick4 | how do I enable Iceweasel to be the be-all default browser? I already set it as the default from Iceweasel itself but xchat (for example) still opens links with Galeon |
| 13:40.15 | Math^ | hello, I like to reformat a ntfs partition, wich command I should use? |
| 13:40.21 | Will-O-The-Wisp | CoolCold, individual file or all de open files in the system? |
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| 13:40.38 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: to goes to my ISP and away outside the router server |
| 13:41.05 | enouf | Math^: reformat? to what? |
| 13:41.11 | Math^ | to ntfs again |
| 13:41.17 | CoolCold | Will-O-The-Wisp: all files/individual :) |
| 13:41.19 | Math^ | just to make it clean again |
| 13:41.27 | enouf | nick4: update-alternatives --config x-ww-browser |
| 13:41.30 | enouf | nick4: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:41.35 | enouf | nick4: as root |
| 13:41.36 | CoolCold | wanna compare results with open file cache on/off |
| 13:41.38 | enouf | or sudo |
| 13:41.38 | nick4 | ahh ok let me see this |
| 13:41.59 | ghaleb | I guess then it's a DNS issue, the clients don't get dns , when I used the ip address of cisco directly it opened the page |
| 13:41.59 | enouf | Math^: ask ##windows .. :-p |
| 13:42.04 | Math^ | :P |
| 13:42.25 | Math^ | something with mkfs I think? |
| 13:42.32 | Math^ | or is'nt posibile in linux |
| 13:42.33 | Math^ | ? |
| 13:42.38 | enouf | see if ntfsutils has anything - or .. maybe ntfs-3g+fuse |
| 13:42.54 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, then the client machine can find a Internet door :). And yes, if the client can see cisco web page by IP address the problem is in the DNS resolution ;) |
| 13:42.55 | Math^ | enouf, ok, thanks :) |
| 13:42.57 | CoolCold | Will-O-The-Wisp: any ideas? |
| 13:43.12 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: Thanks :) |
| 13:43.26 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show ntfsprogs |
| 13:43.30 | nick4 | enouf xchat must have it's own option, it still opens links with Epiphany |
| 13:43.31 | enouf | Math^: ^^^^^ |
| 13:43.40 | Math^ | aye, got ntfs-3g |
| 13:43.43 | ghaleb | I didn't install DNS server , I supposed the linux router could do it by itself |
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| 13:43.48 | enouf | Math^: mkntfs - Format a partition with an NTFS filesystem, optionally bootable. |
| 13:44.07 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/34605 |
| 13:44.12 | enouf | GAH! .. apt-cache is DOG SLOW .. again! |
| 13:44.44 | enouf | nick4: what's xchat? |
| 13:44.53 | nick4 | enouf an IRC client |
| 13:45.02 | enouf | nick4: oh ... so go configure it |
| 13:45.09 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: should I install dns server on the linux router also ? |
| 13:45.09 | nick4 | yes |
| 13:45.19 | nick4 | enouf what irc client are you using? |
| 13:45.20 | enouf | nick4: or do so within your DE control center or whatever |
| 13:45.27 | orgthingy | GUI irc client |
| 13:45.29 | nick4 | what is DE control? |
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| 13:45.43 | Will-O-The-Wisp | CoolCold, general open files can be see it using lsof command. A individual counter for file ... maybe an audit utility |
| 13:45.45 | enouf | nick4: do; "/ctcp enouf version" :-P |
| 13:45.47 | orgthingy | e.g. XFCE Control Panel |
| 13:45.50 | nick4 | ok :D |
| 13:46.16 | nick4 | nope, you have disabled ctcp replies |
| 13:46.23 | enouf | oh, right :-O |
| 13:46.25 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, no, you should use the same DNS server than the router server |
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| 13:46.34 | nick4 | enouf let me guess, irssi? :) |
| 13:46.43 | orgthingy | irssi |
| 13:46.44 | enouf | nick4: nope :-P |
| 13:46.45 | enouf | [08:44:26] Sending a CTCP VERSION to enouf |
| 13:46.46 | enouf | [08:44:26] enouf did a CTCP VERSION to you |
| 13:46.46 | enouf | [08:44:27] CTCP VERSION reply from enouf: BozoKilling 5thousand 3hundred 2wenty Se7en+FUCK?/1.3.12, a j0'm0mma client |
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| 13:46.47 | orgthingy | yup, it must be irssi ! |
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| 13:47.06 | Math^ | enouf, thanks for your help, formatting now :) |
| 13:47.07 | nick4 | oh my! |
| 13:47.10 | enouf | haha .. i killed myself |
| 13:47.17 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: then why the router doesn't get the address .. is it a configuration mistake ? |
| 13:47.19 | enouf | <--- dumbass |
| 13:47.31 | Araneidae | Anybody know how to tell spamassassin NOT to convert spam into attachments? (Searching documents as I write, of course...) |
| 13:47.53 | nick4 | enouf and I though that BozoKilling was your irc client :p |
| 13:48.05 | enouf | it is ;-) |
| 13:48.14 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a big problem with ssh: i set up a machine to have ssh rsa access, i isntalled ddclient and opened the port 22 on the router |
| 13:48.19 | assasukasse | but still i can't connect |
| 13:48.30 | assasukasse | how can i check if the port 22 is really open |
| 13:48.40 | Araneidae | Can you telnet to it? |
| 13:48.40 | cahoot | nmap? |
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| 13:48.44 | abrotman | do you still have access to the server? |
| 13:48.49 | abrotman | some other way |
| 13:48.58 | assasukasse | abrotman: i have to drive there and manually do |
| 13:49.13 | abrotman | would have probably checked before leaving |
| 13:49.15 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, you told us that router server works fine when you execute "apt-get update" command, then DNS resolution (and server) is fine in router server. Is the router server correctly configured in workstatios? |
| 13:49.31 | assasukasse | abrotman: good question, the router showed port 22 open but seems is not working |
| 13:49.35 | Araneidae | `telnet hostname 22` will give you an SSH header if it's talking to you |
| 13:49.49 | abrotman | assasukasse: is there a firewall somewhere in between ? |
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| 13:50.02 | Valla | http://straseni.kompletne.cz/baf.php?page=straseni&kolo=7&od=62 |
| 13:50.02 | assasukasse | abrotman: is a router with a nat |
| 13:50.04 | Valla | http://straseni.kompletne.cz/baf.php?page=straseni&kolo=7&od=62 |
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| 13:50.07 | assasukasse | probably a firewall yes |
| 13:50.11 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: yes, the linux router can resolve, and the clients take the nameserver by dhcp offers |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | yes, firewalled |
| 13:50.46 | assasukasse | abrotman: i opened port 22 and port 1024-1036 for amule |
| 13:51.01 | assasukasse | however i can't get in port 22...seems that the firewall is not allowing me to |
| 13:51.10 | orgthingy | bad firewall |
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| 13:51.20 | abrotman | sounds like you did it wrong :) |
| 13:51.35 | enouf | bravo .. nice assessment :-p |
| 13:51.55 | assasukasse | abrotman: it could be since that is a trust router, and i have no knowledge |
| 13:52.03 | assasukasse | abrotman: how could i check if the port 22 is open^? |
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| 13:52.20 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, can you install a sniffer (tcpdump or wireshark, for example) in the router server and search if the DNS requests are being forwarded to the DNS server? |
| 13:52.28 | hoxu | abrotman, Valla spamming or what? |
| 13:52.30 | abrotman | assasukasse: i think you've already tried .. something is blocking it |
| 13:52.33 | Valla | http://straseni.kompletne.cz/baf.php?page=straseni&kolo=7&od=62 ROFL ! xD |
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| 13:52.49 | hoxu | thanks |
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| 13:53.00 | abrotman | i thought it was a one-time .. some people are silly |
| 13:53.22 | orgthingy | abrotman : what was in the link ;P ? |
| 13:53.27 | orgthingy | i didnt click it |
| 13:53.30 | assasukasse | abrotman: oki, i am wondering if i could send a script to run on the other side, then i will have a sort of connection |
| 13:53.37 | assasukasse | and fix the stuff |
| 13:53.48 | abrotman | you have no access to the system ... |
| 13:53.59 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, another fix for issue, maybe easiest than sniffer use it's install a DNS server in router server. In a few minutes you can use it as a forwarder ;-) |
| 13:53.59 | assasukasse | abrotman: i have a DUMB user on the other side |
| 13:54.04 | moodhugs | hi is there some way to use vnc fullscreen in one workspace? |
| 13:54.10 | abrotman | assasukasse: you sent your mom?! |
| 13:54.23 | assasukasse | abrotman: no there is a friend...but he is a windoze user |
| 13:54.32 | assasukasse | so i can't tell him to do ssh -R or smth like that |
| 13:54.34 | enouf | orgthingy: how we doing there? |
| 13:54.46 | abrotman | assasukasse: if you know your IP .. they can uhm .. `ssh -R ip:host` IIRC .. and then you can ssh in via that |
| 13:54.52 | the-dude | im trying to upgrade a machine but it failes where can I find information were about it failes? |
| 13:55.15 | orgthingy | enouf : still having error |
| 13:55.15 | assasukasse | abrotman: i have RSA access only on my machine (for security reasons) |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | it should give you output |
| 13:55.23 | enouf | orgthingy: got all of dbus and hal installed - try aptitude/apt-get install -f (to perhaps fix any broken pkgs) |
| 13:55.23 | assasukasse | but i will disable and try this way |
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| 13:55.32 | abrotman | assasukasse: the machine is running amule .. and you're worried about security ? |
| 13:55.34 | enouf | orgthingy: same error? even with gksudo? |
| 13:55.38 | orgthingy | enouf : i dont think i have broken pkgs, but ok |
| 13:55.48 | orgthingy | enouf : ill try again, wait second |
| 13:55.59 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: ah .. yeah it's just simple, but I really would like to know why ..I have wireshark installed .. let me see what happens and return back |
| 13:56.00 | assasukasse | abrotman: im worried about MY machine security :D by opening cleartext passwd |
| 13:56.15 | Will-O-The-Wisp | good luck ghaleb ;) |
| 13:56.17 | abrotman | ssh is encrypted .. |
| 13:56.25 | assasukasse | abrotman: for doing ssh -R they must know my passwd |
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| 13:56.48 | abrotman | oh duh . yes |
| 13:56.49 | assasukasse | and for the time i will be using cleartext pwd i will be vulnerable to bruteforce |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | well .. you're going to have them login anyways .. to do something |
| 13:57.01 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: thanks .. you are saying sniffing at the linux router .. that's hard a bit |
| 13:57.03 | ghaleb | ;) |
| 13:57.13 | assasukasse | abrotman: i should make a blank ssh user |
| 13:57.20 | assasukasse | like a safe user |
| 13:57.40 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: at the client side, the client sent a dns query to the linux router |
| 13:58.01 | orgthingy | enouf : |
| 13:58.03 | orgthingy | now it works |
| 13:58.06 | orgthingy | but it asks me for password |
| 13:58.15 | enouf | wait? what changed? |
| 13:58.18 | orgthingy | prefers gksu that had password in kerying or whatever |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | assasukasse: that doesn't sound very safe |
| 13:58.32 | orgthingy | gksudo asks me for pass :'( |
| 13:58.38 | orgthingy | I want gksu to work :-( |
| 13:58.54 | enouf | orgthingy: i told you - you can take care of that using info in /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 13:58.55 | assasukasse | abrotman: then i do smth easier: change my pwd to a very crazy one, let em ssh -R then change back |
| 13:58.56 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, to the linux router? it's the destination IP the server's IP address? Maybe a error in DHCP configuration? |
| 13:58.57 | assasukasse | and im safe |
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| 13:59.07 | orgthingy | ok, enouf |
| 13:59.24 | enouf | orgthingy: then go bug gnome folks about it on irc.gnome.org ;-) |
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| 14:00.20 | Will-O-The-Wisp | assasukasse, maybe interest you use DSA/RSA keys to access over SSH without password |
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| 14:00.53 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: ah ah .. I set the nameserver to be 172.20.1.1 which is practically the linux router.. I should use the dns server |
| 14:00.54 | ghaleb | aha |
| 14:01.08 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: thank you very much then |
| 14:01.09 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, let's try it ;-) |
| 14:01.25 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: YES IT WORKED!!! |
| 14:01.26 | ghaleb | :) |
| 14:01.28 | orgthingy | enouf : but it says sudoers is read-only file |
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| 14:01.29 | ghaleb | thanks very very much |
| 14:01.37 | Will-O-The-Wisp | congratulations ghaleb, good job :) |
| 14:01.40 | orgthingy | i did su, yet vim nags me saying it's readonly |
| 14:01.49 | assasukasse | abrotman: i can never get into ssh -R (is this correct?) ssh -R 22:localhost:2222 me@home (and i will ssh into port 2222 to get to the remote machine) |
| 14:02.28 | abrotman | http://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling |
| 14:02.47 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: thanks very much , do u think it's better to have dns server installed to do some caching ? |
| 14:03.12 | orgthingy | enouf : nvm |
| 14:03.47 | enouf | orgthingy: /etc/sudoers Access: (0440/-r--r-----) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 14:04.10 | enouf | orgthingy: stat `which sudo` Access: (4755/-rwsr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 14:05.45 | orgthingy | enouf : great, problem solved |
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| 14:05.56 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, maybe, if you have a big DNS workload a DNS server helps to skip it . If you have a small office probably don't see any improvement. |
| 14:06.17 | enouf | orgthingy: more info? :-) |
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| 14:06.25 | assasukasse | thank abrotman |
| 14:06.37 | ghaleb | Will-O-The-Wisp: ah I see now .. yes it's small office. Thanks for your time |
| 14:06.58 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ghaleb, thanks to you ;-) |
| 14:07.13 | ghaleb | :) |
| 14:07.24 | orgthingy | enouf : Permissions, how to edit, and groups and users issues |
| 14:07.25 | orgthingy | very minor |
| 14:07.30 | orgthingy | thanks for your time |
| 14:07.39 | enouf | orgthingy: sudo wasn't setuid root? .. oh |
| 14:07.39 | NoSvc | What are the chances of coaxing an Adaptec 1045 SAS controller (one of the cards that Adaptec only publishes binary drivers for RH and SuSE for) to work on an Etch system? |
| 14:07.54 | orgthingy | enouf : I have debian server, but im always root, so I didn't ever touch sudo and stuff |
| 14:08.11 | enouf | orgthingy: er... |
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| 14:08.44 | enouf | NoSvc: see if you can compile the module from source - or customize a kernel |
| 14:08.52 | NoSvc | enouf: Adaptec doesn't provide source |
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| 14:08.58 | enouf | what?! |
| 14:09.08 | NoSvc | Binary drivers only |
| 14:09.17 | enouf | !nuke Adaptec |
| 14:09.18 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at Adaptec |
| 14:09.39 | orgthingy | binary is fine you meanies |
| 14:09.45 | NoSvc | It was my last choice, but it's the only SAS card that will fit in this system I have |
| 14:09.51 | Will-O-The-Wisp | NoSvc, the kernel's symbols are different in SLES or RHEL than a Debian System, it not work if it's a precompiled kernel module |
| 14:09.55 | orgthingy | :p |
| 14:09.57 | fgeek | stats the nuke against Adaptec... |
| 14:10.03 | fgeek | 10000 TCP-packets sent |
| 14:10.04 | NoSvc | Will-O-The-Wisp: Indeed... is there anything I can do? |
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| 14:10.40 | NoSvc | I typically use 3ware for this reason, they aren't in the back pocket of a certain OS vendor... but we do what we can because we must |
| 14:10.40 | Crowler | http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=42138759yg2.png$B!!(Bworks with a little swapping |
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| 14:11.12 | Will-O-The-Wisp | NoSvc, if Adaptec only provides binary distribution of the drivers it's difficult. Maybe if you export RH or SLES kernel to the debian system then you can use this driver |
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| 14:11.31 | abrotman | NoSvc: did you try etchnhalf ? |
| 14:11.39 | NoSvc | Will-O-The-Wisp: Yeesh, even the idea of doing that on a production server is scary |
| 14:11.47 | Crowler | debian with blackbox just crawls, and firefox doesnt run at all |
| 14:12.16 | Will-O-The-Wisp | NoSvc, I dont't recommend it for a production server :P |
| 14:12.17 | NoSvc | abrotman: Haven't, no, but reloading the OS on this system isn't terribly feasible |
| 14:12.41 | abrotman | NoSvc: the PCIID will tell you if etch/etchnhalf kernels hopefully will drive it |
| 14:13.17 | NoSvc | abrotman: How's that? |
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| 14:13.39 | abrotman | lspci .. get the pciid .. just because adaptec has binary drivers doesn't mean that OSS ones don'texist |
| 14:13.55 | moodhugs | Hi, is there any way to read and write to a NTFS partition? |
| 14:14.03 | abrotman | !tell moodhugs about ntfs-3g |
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| 14:14.42 | moodhugs | thank you |
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| 14:14.55 | NoSvc | 9005:0450 |
| 14:15.45 | NoSvc | I don't think it's supported, I can't find mention of the model number or the card's ID in any compat. lists |
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| 14:17.37 | abrotman | i don't see it either |
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| 14:20.30 | NoSvc | :( |
| 14:20.31 | Will-O-The-Wisp | NoSvc, I prefer open-source solutions but be carefull if it's a production server. System data loss ... it's a embarrasing matter ;S |
| 14:20.37 | NoSvc | Thanks for the help guys |
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| 14:21.06 | NoSvc | Will-O-The-Wisp: Indeed... I need the SAS for an LTO-4 tape drive, to back up the 15TB or so of data that's living on it |
| 14:21.17 | RandomTask | Hello ... just curious if anyone can help me with this ... I am trying to write a simple example c program using "kmem_cache_create" ... to do this i need slab.h ... which is in my kernel source ... however i if i simply include "/usr/src/linux-headers .../include/linux/slab.h" i find slab.h is riddled with compile errors ... it's not very easy to find example code for this online ... can... |
| 14:21.19 | RandomTask | ...anyone help? |
| 14:22.17 | hoxu | RandomTask, ##c ? |
| 14:22.26 | travkin | Hello guys, i have Intel Pentium 4 Dual Core e8500 cpu (64 bit). Which .iso i must install? |
| 14:22.28 | travkin | ia64 or i386? |
| 14:22.28 | m_dige | hi guys. I don't why mysql to start everytime I boot my system. So I removed it using update-rc.d. But I have to do this everytime there is an update to the mysql package. Is there a way to specify that mysql shall never be added to run-levels when the package is updated ? |
| 14:22.45 | RandomTask | its a linux system call i am not sure ##c will help me ... i will try |
| 14:22.50 | cahoot | travkin: amd64 or 386 |
| 14:22.52 | hoxu | travkin, whichever you want |
| 14:22.58 | travkin | amd64 support intel? |
| 14:23.05 | m_dige | travkin: I would use amd64 |
| 14:23.24 | m_dige | travkin: yes amd84 supports Intel 64 bit as well |
| 14:23.42 | travkin | okay, thankas |
| 14:23.43 | travkin | okay, thanks |
| 14:25.00 | m_dige | travkin: But be advised that some packages requires tweaking if you want to run a fully 64 bit system |
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| 14:25.22 | m_dige | travkin: packages such as java and Adobe flash in firefox |
| 14:25.26 | travkin | ok |
| 14:25.59 | m_dige | travkin: and you should consider to perhaps use testing. Actually I think that may be a requirement. But I am not sure |
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| 14:26.31 | Will-O-The-Wisp | adobe flash player 10 works fine (it's a beta version) on my 64-bit system. |
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| 14:26.37 | travkin | you have intel? |
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| 14:27.50 | m_dige | Will-O-The-Wisp: That is correct. But I doubt that package is in stable |
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| 14:28.32 | _KaszpiR__ | hm |
| 14:28.32 | m_dige | Will-O-The-Wisp: besides. I use firefox not iceweasel which complecated the matter a bit. (but with iceweasel it works fine I think) |
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| 14:28.46 | schme | travkin: amd64 and intel x86-64 is the same platform. It's just that amd created it and the name stuck in debian. ;) |
| 14:29.15 | _KaszpiR__ | question: i got samba connected to AD, but sometimes wimbind gos insanely slow (we got 50.000+ users in domian), any info how to speed it up? |
| 14:29.25 | travkin | schme, ok, thanks, |
| 14:29.25 | travkin | I just thought that that i386 is the same that x86_64 |
| 14:29.38 | travkin | amd64 i mean :D |
| 14:29.46 | travkin | i thought that amd64 is only for amd :D |
| 14:29.49 | schme | travkin: What you should absolutely not do is try the ia64 iso. And you might be happy with the i386 one anyway. For home users you only really have a gain if you have more than 4GB of RAM. |
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| 14:30.00 | schme | travkin: Ah no. i386 is an x86-32. |
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| 14:30.10 | Will-O-The-Wisp | m_dige, it isn't stable, you're right. It's a developer version (a binary library). It works fine (at the moment) with Iceweasel, just only a curiosity ;-) |
| 14:30.37 | enouf | NoSvc: eww.. "The Adaptec 1405 Kit (US$190), the Adaptec 1405 Single (US$160), and the Adaptec 1045 Single (US$190) begin shipping in mid-November and will be generally available through worldwide distributors and resellers by Nov. 28, 2008." newnewnew :-P |
| 14:33.24 | orgthingy | what changes are in Icewaesel? im mean seriously.. what changes? |
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| 14:33.58 | Will-O-The-Wisp | orgthingy, there are some problems with firefox logos |
| 14:34.15 | orgthingy | Will-O-The-Wisp : just put "tm" near it and woila? |
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| 14:34.56 | _moro_bana_ | is there a 64bit debian version for intel 64bit processors? |
| 14:35.13 | schme | _moro_bana_: amd64 |
| 14:35.14 | orgthingy | yes |
| 14:35.24 | schme | _moro_bana_: or ia64. Depends on which intel 64bit cpu you have. |
| 14:35.32 | orgthingy | it's called amd64, but it works on 64bit intel |
| 14:35.39 | RichiH | !ati |
| 14:35.39 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 14:35.42 | orgthingy | hmm, ia64? |
| 14:35.47 | RichiH | !radeonhd |
| 14:35.47 | dpkg | hmm... radeonhd is the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
| 14:35.58 | TimothyA | what's the lost+found directory for? ;>_> |
| 14:36.05 | schme | orgthingy: Yes. There's ia64 for certain 64 bit intel machines. |
| 14:36.05 | Will-O-The-Wisp | orgthingy, Debian Community are very worried about licensed software ;-) |
| 14:36.10 | orgthingy | anyway, I have 32bit version of debian but my cpu is 64bit ;D |
| 14:36.13 | _moro_bana_ | i have been using amd64 ,just wanted to know if there is one for intel? |
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| 14:36.22 | _moro_bana_ | i know it works on both |
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| 14:36.32 | orgthingy | amd64 = 64bit |
| 14:36.33 | schme | _moro_bana_: It's the same. amd64 is the same architecture as x86-64. |
| 14:36.36 | orgthingy | forget the "amd" |
| 14:36.47 | schme | _moro_bana_: It's just debian sticking with an outdated name ;) |
| 14:36.54 | _moro_bana_ | ok,thanks |
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| 14:37.13 | Will-O-The-Wisp | amd64 (x86_64) -> Intel/AMD Processor for home (and proffesional) uses. IA64 -> Itanium processors |
| 14:37.52 | schme | and I might add that my issues with the ia64 isos the other day turned out to be a broken cd-rom :) |
| 14:37.55 | _moro_bana_ | never heard of Itanium prs |
| 14:38.07 | schme | _moro_bana_: Good :) |
| 14:38.31 | Will-O-The-Wisp | _moro_bana_, it's a 64-bit pure processor. Some high-level servers use it. |
| 14:38.44 | schme | _moro_bana_: If you ever have a shitload of money and feel the need to spend it, I'd recommend not spending it on an itanic :) |
| 14:39.06 | _moro_bana_ | :) |
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| 14:39.08 | micols | are there no smp kernels for lenny in lenny repos ? |
| 14:39.20 | micols | i.e. one needs to compile his own? |
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| 14:39.27 | schme | micols: Aren't they all smp ? |
| 14:39.28 | Will-O-The-Wisp | micols, nowadays all kernels are SMP |
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| 14:39.39 | micols | Will-O-The-Wisp: how do i verify this? |
| 14:39.44 | _moro_bana_ | help help, im installing etch here, no disk drive was detected. |
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| 14:40.01 | Will-O-The-Wisp | micols, uname -a |
| 14:40.04 | enouf | NoSvc: i don't see even anything about it in 2.6.28 mainline - better wait or switch distros, or buy something else ;-P |
| 14:40.10 | micols | /proc/cpuinfo shows two cpus , uname -a shows no smp |
| 14:40.14 | esdrasbeleza | Hi. It may look stupid, but can I have syslog and syslog-ng in the same system? |
| 14:40.19 | micols | oh, it does, i did uname -r :) |
| 14:40.59 | micols | anyone know if mplayer uses smp by default? |
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| 14:41.02 | schme | _moro_bana_: no disk drive detected? |
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| 14:41.27 | micols | shouldnt i be able to play 720p x264 on an asus eee 1000h with dual core atom 1.6ghz? |
| 14:41.35 | schme | _moro_bana_: You need the floppy modules, but they should just get autoloaded when needed. |
| 14:41.41 | _moro_bana_ | schme: yes.then it gives me a list of drivers to select from. |
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| 14:41.53 | micols | it seems to use 100% cpu, and cpuinfo says they're not downclocked. |
| 14:41.59 | schme | _moro_bana_: I'm guessing floppy.ko ? |
| 14:42.13 | _moro_bana_ | schme:floopy on a laptop. |
| 14:42.30 | schme | _moro_bana_: Well I have no idea. I haven't owned a floppy drive since sarge :) |
| 14:42.41 | micols | top says 50% in cpu(s), but 100% in the normal view below? |
| 14:42.56 | micols | so perhaps the load is distributed onto one cpu core only. |
| 14:42.58 | schme | micols: I have no idea what 720p x264 even means :) |
| 14:43.11 | micols | schme: any idea how to check the load on each cpu core? |
| 14:43.45 | schme | hmmm.. |
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| 14:44.16 | schme | good question there. |
| 14:44.22 | schme | I have never felt the need to do that :) |
| 14:45.09 | schme | micols: But here on my desktop I quite often have top displaying 399% CPU usage, so I guess your 100% is just 50% of total. |
| 14:45.13 | schme | heh. |
| 14:45.31 | schme | micols: I just use cpusets and such when I need to load balance. |
| 14:46.44 | micols | i enabled performance govenor on each core |
| 14:46.53 | schme | ok |
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| 14:47.27 | schme | micols: mpstat seems to be usable. |
| 14:48.27 | schme | micols: mpstat -P ALL |
| 14:49.17 | schme | micols: But if you have performance problems for a game (I assume this was related to a game?) maybe you should dedicate one of the cores to just that, and let the other core handle everything else. |
| 14:49.21 | schme | Just a thought :) |
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| 14:49.38 | micols | it was mplayer not a game |
| 14:49.40 | schme | oh! |
| 14:49.43 | schme | Haha :) |
| 14:49.44 | schme | Right. |
| 14:49.49 | schme | Well same thing I guess (: |
| 14:50.01 | micols | it needs both cores to do 720p |
| 14:50.09 | schme | ? |
| 14:50.12 | schme | Ok. |
| 14:50.20 | micols | or 4 to do 1080p :) |
| 14:50.27 | schme | I'll take your word for it. I have no idea really. |
| 14:50.35 | schme | That's weird. |
| 14:50.45 | schme | Why does it need all those cores? |
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| 14:51.10 | Nielske | it's very high quality |
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| 14:51.14 | schme | Hmm.. |
| 14:51.17 | Nielske | so resolution of video is very high |
| 14:51.31 | Nielske | and x264 is the codec which requires lots of computing power |
| 14:51.42 | schme | I need to grab one of those 1080 things to see if it won't play just fine on just the one core. |
| 14:51.47 | schme | I see. |
| 14:51.50 | Nielske | for windows playback at least dual core blabla with xxx is needed |
| 14:52.00 | _moro_bana_ | schme: but how will i load the river without a floopy, any other way? |
| 14:52.01 | Nielske | with xxx ram etc.. :) |
| 14:52.22 | schme | _moro_bana_: Well I really don't know. Are you install from a floppy? |
| 14:52.32 | schme | Hmmm. |
| 14:52.52 | _moro_bana_ | schme: im installing from a disk. |
| 14:52.54 | micols | these headphones are great even though they keep dieing. |
| 14:53.10 | schme | _moro_bana_: So you're installing from a floppy disk ? |
| 14:53.10 | micols | i have bought 3 pairs now, but its the best sound i have ever heard. |
| 14:53.17 | schme | micols: What are they? |
| 14:53.26 | micols | real amazing sound with x264 or just flac/ogg music |
| 14:53.28 | schme | <- audiophile ;) |
| 14:53.39 | micols | schme: they are "low end" sony mdr-ex71 |
| 14:54.02 | schme | Hah. googling 1080 x264 was not so hot :) |
| 14:54.32 | micols | but better than Shure E3 |
| 14:54.38 | micols | to my ears, i had them before these. |
| 14:54.46 | micols | and theyre 1/3rd the price or less. |
| 14:54.50 | schme | ah cool. |
| 14:54.56 | micols | actually theyre much better imo :) |
| 14:55.19 | irmorelle | are there backports of the latest kernel for lenny? |
| 14:55.27 | schme | Runs fine on just one core. I now mark you all as crazy :) |
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| 14:58.15 | enouf | hahaha @ "Effective Monday, December 29th through Wednesday, December 31st we will opened from 11AM to 5PM Central Standard Time. Because we are operating with a reduced staff our hold times may be longer." .. no wonder i can't d/l the stinkin driver file!! |
| 14:58.41 | enouf | NoSvc: your nick is so apropos :-P |
| 15:00.43 | enouf | irmorelle: make your own ;-) |
| 15:01.29 | irmorelle | d'oh! |
| 15:01.52 | irmorelle | okay, i just need to try to apply the patches from the latest Debian distribution of thekernel , iguess |
| 15:01.53 | enouf | irmorelle: /msg dpkg k-p |
| 15:02.10 | NoSvc | enouf: ehehe |
| 15:02.13 | abrotman | irmorelle: for a server or workstation ? |
| 15:02.14 | enouf | irmorelle: see wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
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| 15:02.28 | irmorelle | abrotman: laptop on which cpufreq doesn't work with the latest lenny kernel |
| 15:02.31 | irmorelle | nor s2ram |
| 15:02.43 | NoSvc | enouf: I'm going to replace it with a HighPoint RocketRaid device |
| 15:02.46 | abrotman | irmorelle: so you mean you want th e.27 for lenny ? |
| 15:03.07 | NoSvc | Open source driver support and it'll fit in my 4x PCI-e slot |
| 15:03.07 | enouf | NoSvc: attaboy ... though, nice fakeraid there :-P see dmraid |
| 15:03.09 | irmorelle | .28 |
| 15:03.23 | NoSvc | enouf: It won't be used as a raid device, I'm just trying to connect an LTO-4 tape drive |
| 15:03.38 | irmorelle | abrotman: yeah, I want to fry my machine with .28 :| Better than frying it with .26 |
| 15:03.49 | irmorelle | I know all the risks, etc. etc. etc. |
| 15:04.02 | enouf | NoSvc: a 4x card can be used in a 8x slot .. but seing as teh 1045 was a low-profile, i suspect you have other requirements |
| 15:04.07 | NoSvc | I've got two 3ware 8 port controllers living in there already for RAID purposes |
| 15:04.14 | enouf | i see |
| 15:04.24 | NoSvc | enouf: no, really the requirement was 4x or smaller PCI-e, I don't need LP |
| 15:04.40 | enouf | ahh |
| 15:04.56 | NoSvc | I'm just very limited on slots with two four port GBICs and two 8 port 3ware sata controllers, heh |
| 15:05.05 | irmorelle | and it's not the first time I build a kernel, although it'd be certainly the first time I do it for Debian. But Debian is nice; <insert some-other-package-manager-based distro here> isn't, in that regard |
| 15:05.22 | NoSvc | I've got an 4x or less PCI-e, or regular PCI. Oddly, nobody makes a regular PCI SAS controller. :) |
| 15:05.35 | enouf | haha |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | irmorelle: make-kpkg is The Debian Way |
| 15:06.06 | irmorelle | yup. read about it. |
| 15:06.19 | enouf | NoSvc: that's like asking why an Apple keyboard doesn't plug into a ibm PC :-p |
| 15:06.34 | irmorelle | I'll quit praising this distro now :) |
| 15:07.08 | enouf | irmorelle: one better http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 15:08.41 | RoM | how to build an unofficial kernel package? :) |
| 15:08.45 | RoM | like 2.6.28 |
| 15:08.51 | RoM | now thats hard |
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| 15:09.24 | enouf | appends 'ney' to RoM and calls him Mitt |
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| 15:10.13 | RoM | whos mitt |
| 15:10.33 | anddam | hello |
| 15:10.36 | enouf | my mitt, that's whose :-p |
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| 15:11.04 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:11.06 | RoM | enouf: got some spare time maybe? could help me out then, i'm bound to fail if I get into it myself |
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| 15:11.26 | eptalon | is there a way to ocnvert wma to something usable in debian, like mp3 or flac? |
| 15:11.27 | enouf | RoM: you were doomed to failure from the onset? |
| 15:11.51 | enouf | mencoder / ffmpeg / w32codecs / sox / |
| 15:12.12 | enouf | avidemux .. who knows - stop using that crap |
| 15:12.13 | anddam | I'm using gnome on lenny, when I start Epiphany the cursor is in URL bar, if I hit tab the cursor doesn't jump on quick search bar BUT if I now hit shif-tab then the cursor jumps (back?) to the quick search bar. Is this normal? |
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| 15:12.19 | RoM | enouf: not enough experience for this shit, but seems I dont have other choice |
| 15:12.45 | eptalon | enouf: I dont use that crap, my friends do; they have the shiny I don#t care oS. |
| 15:13.14 | irmorelle | I recall using mplayer with some -o option to convert them to .wavs... but that was under <other distro, insert name here> |
| 15:13.19 | enouf | anddam: no idea - somethings are finicky like that ... what happens if you keep tabbing, instead of shift+tab? |
| 15:13.22 | eptalon | enouf: I usually use flac, ogg or mp3 |
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| 15:13.39 | enouf | eptalon: you need new friends |
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| 15:14.00 | RoM | eptalon:whats wrong with programs that have UIs? |
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| 15:14.59 | eptalon | RoM: Its not programs that have UIs, its proprietary non-open file formats.. |
| 15:15.02 | anddam | enouf: weird, keeping pressing tab hilight/dehighlight the reload button, but again whenever I hit shift-tab I get the cursor in quick search field |
| 15:15.36 | anddam | enouf: ah wait, there are two elements forward and three backwards |
| 15:15.50 | enouf | aha! |
| 15:15.59 | anddam | enouf: that is, keeping tabbing chooses between reload button and some invisible thing |
| 15:16.01 | RoM | eptalon: well, does everything actually have to be open? |
| 15:16.12 | anddam | enouf: shift-tabbing switch among those two _and_ quick search window |
| 15:16.14 | enouf | anddam: aye .. i love those invisible things :-P |
| 15:16.30 | eptalon | RoM: thats a good question. |
| 15:16.33 | anddam | I bet epiphany is missing some handler to the gtk widget |
| 15:16.38 | enouf | anddam: once it's on the invisible thing hit Enter, see what happens :-P |
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| 15:17.19 | anddam | enouf: you're The Tinker Man |
| 15:17.26 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:17.26 | anddam | enouf: nothing happens tho' |
| 15:17.36 | enouf | :-( |
| 15:17.44 | anddam | I just wanted feedback from some other users, can anyone try this? |
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| 15:19.22 | enouf | anddam: if i had epiphany-gnome (is the pkgname?) installed, i'd fire it up and test for you |
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| 15:19.42 | anddam | enouf: and I appreciate it |
| 15:20.18 | enouf | judd: versions epiphany-gnome |
| 15:20.19 | judd | enouf: epiphany-gnome -- |
| 15:20.26 | enouf | wrong name |
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| 15:23.33 | enouf | anddam: maybe someone in (#debian-gnome, etc) on irc.gnome.org can help? |
| 15:23.55 | enouf | anddam: try ##linux as well for willing participants :-) |
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| 15:28.03 | abrotman | anddam: got an example page? |
| 15:28.20 | ComradeHaz | Hi all. Have a dual boot system with Vista. Just had to reinstall Vista which has of course overwritten Grub on the MBR. How do I go about restroring Grub? |
| 15:28.28 | anddam | abrotman: example what of? |
| 15:28.38 | abrotman | anddam: a page where that happens |
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| 15:28.50 | Breal | Are telephone numbers transmitted in MGCP RTP packets? |
| 15:29.12 | anddam | whatever, I'm using the blank page at Epiphany start |
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| 15:29.55 | abrotman | waits for it to start |
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| 15:30.52 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ComradeHaz, try grub-install /dev/sdX |
| 15:31.10 | dios_mio | how can i change my monitor power off options? |
| 15:31.14 | ComradeHaz | uh, after booting from a live CD/ |
| 15:31.27 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ComradeHaz, oh, sure, sorry ;-) |
| 15:31.35 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 15:31.35 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 15:31.35 | dpkg | well, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 15:32.01 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 15:32.13 | ComradeHaz | what's the difference between all those monitor states? |
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| 15:32.50 | ComradeHaz | they all seem to do the same thing to my monitors |
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| 15:33.11 | anddam | abrotman: waiting for it == Epiphany? |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | yes .. and it's loaded |
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| 15:34.56 | Assid | step right up and help me solve this problem.. |
| 15:35.10 | Assid | is facing a skewed clock |
| 15:35.10 | abrotman | anddam: there is very likely a hot-key for that .. but it's probably goofy like ctrl-shift-* or something |
| 15:35.24 | enouf | ComradeHaz: /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 15:35.26 | abrotman | straighten it |
| 15:35.40 | _bozo | hi. what is the difference between "make oldconfig" and "make allnoconfig" please ? |
| 15:35.44 | Assid | ce if the softlayer control panel reported the power status of the ser |
| 15:35.49 | Assid | errr |
| 15:35.53 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d4137d1b9 |
| 15:36.01 | enouf | _bozo: read the kernel README et al |
| 15:36.29 | enouf | _bozo: i can tell you they are not even remotely related though |
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| 15:37.48 | ComradeHaz | thanks enouf :) |
| 15:38.02 | enouf | sure, np |
| 15:38.21 | anddam | abrotman: but the cycle behavior isn't correct anyway, is it? |
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| 15:38.30 | macman | help http://paste.ubuntu.com/96039/ |
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| 15:38.32 | magyar_ | hi, anyone using racoon with roadwarrior setup? |
| 15:38.34 | anddam | Federico2: woa did my msg make you disconnect? |
| 15:38.37 | eagle1 | hi |
| 15:38.45 | eagle1 | i've reboote one of my server, debian etch |
| 15:38.48 | Assid | enouf: you had asked me regarding anything clock related in dmesg |
| 15:38.52 | eagle1 | now the main filesystem is read only |
| 15:38.53 | eagle1 | /dev/sda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 15:38.58 | eagle1 | how i can fix? |
| 15:38.59 | enouf | Assid: i did |
| 15:39.11 | Assid | sorry.. coulkdnt do it earlier.. i had stepped out.. the above pastebin has it |
| 15:39.39 | enouf | oh . |
| 15:39.41 | _fjh_ | Hi, my USB stick gets (auto)mounted only once in gnome. The second time no icon appears, but I can mount it manually using 'mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint' Howto procceed? |
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| 15:40.01 | anddam | can I disable NetworkManager? I'm suffering this bug http://tinyurl.com/9ckvyn and I'm not using a wireless network |
| 15:40.07 | anddam | I'm on a manually configured ethernet |
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| 15:40.11 | _fjh_ | Any hal,gvfs.... experts here? |
| 15:40.14 | ComradeHaz | pff |
| 15:40.18 | ComradeHaz | that's useless |
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| 15:40.31 | ComradeHaz | it needs me to know what partition my root filesystem is on :D |
| 15:40.49 | ComradeHaz | could be any one of 13 :D |
| 15:40.58 | abrotman | anddam: i bet as far as epiphany devs are , it is |
| 15:40.59 | Jemt | ComradeHaz: Try 'df /' |
| 15:41.12 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ComradeHaz, or sfdisk -l |
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| 15:41.18 | enouf | Assid: can you pastebin entire dmesg? |
| 15:41.19 | ComradeHaz | yeah, in the linux install that doesn't boot ;) |
| 15:41.38 | ComradeHaz | I'd better download a live CD of some sort I think :D |
| 15:41.53 | anddam | abrotman: ok, no big issue anyway |
| 15:41.54 | Jemt | ComradeHaz: Boot using a Live CD and find out - ie by mounting them |
| 15:41.59 | enouf | _fjh_: that sounds like you have your gnome config setup to only show the icon once, the 1st time it's mounted, or similar |
| 15:42.00 | anddam | thanks for help |
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| 15:42.28 | Orion_X11 | which is the package for python documentation in debian? |
| 15:42.36 | enouf | _fjh_: oh, and it doesn't automount as well? Well, see gnome-volume-manager settings? |
| 15:42.44 | Assid | enouf: dont have an http server on that.. remote box.. or anything.. know a pastebin site that would let me upload |
| 15:42.48 | Assid | asa file |
| 15:42.52 | anddam | btw IIII just jump into debian from time to time to keep it updated when I have to reboot OS X :-P |
| 15:43.00 | anddam | s/IIII/I/ |
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| 15:43.20 | anddam | so it's not that annoying |
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| 15:43.54 | _fjh_ | enouf: Any idea where this gnome config setting is stored? It is automounted the first time. |
| 15:44.18 | enouf | Orion_X11: apt-get update ; apt-cache search python doc ? |
| 15:44.29 | enouf | or even | grep doc |
| 15:44.33 | eagle1 | how i can remount the root partition if it's read-only? |
| 15:44.40 | abrotman | anddam: i don't see it in the help at any rate .. |
| 15:44.40 | eagle1 | i cannot modify the fstab |
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| 15:44.55 | _fjh_ | enouf: gnome-volume-manager has 'mount removable media*' enabled |
| 15:45.02 | anddam | abrotman: what? the rare use I do of debian on the ibook? |
| 15:45.07 | enouf | _fjh_: i mentioned g-v-m .. but also try gconf-editor - or just System-Preferences> ? or gnome-control-panel? |
| 15:45.19 | macman | anything http://paste.ubuntu.com/96039/ ? |
| 15:45.20 | abrotman | anddam: no, about the epiphany keyboard shortcut for the search |
| 15:45.25 | Federico2 | anddam? |
| 15:45.29 | enouf | _fjh_: try this; man gnome-[tab][tab] :-P |
| 15:45.36 | abrotman | macman: i think you want #ubuntu |
| 15:45.41 | anddam | abrotman: ah, well using tab and shift-tab is not that big issue anyway |
| 15:45.54 | enouf | _fjh_: is hal installed? how about dbus? |
| 15:46.32 | Will-O-The-Wisp | eagle1, try with the "remount" option of mount command |
| 15:46.36 | Assid | enouf: gimme a few.. need to reboot with the openvz kernel.. make sure i can start the http container |
| 15:46.40 | enouf | _fjh_: oh .. prior to removing the stick (after it automounts) do you use eject /dev/usb-name ? |
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| 15:47.04 | enouf | _fjh_: try that - also check dmesg | tail many times during the process - even run udevmonitor in another xterm/shell |
| 15:47.06 | _fjh_ | enouf: hal 0.5.11-6,dbus 1.2.1-4. |
| 15:47.09 | eagle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.20 | eagle1 | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 15:47.21 | eagle1 | ;) |
| 15:47.27 | macman | abrotman, ubuntu is a distro of debian right ? |
| 15:47.32 | eagle1 | Will-O-The-Wisp, you know how to force fsck on boot? |
| 15:47.34 | macman | i just need help period |
| 15:47.36 | eagle1 | MacGyverNL, yes |
| 15:47.39 | enouf | Assid: i knew it - some wanky VM crap - maybe this is the issue clocksrc= param |
| 15:47.40 | anddam | gotta reboot |
| 15:47.43 | abrotman | macman: go to #ubuntu |
| 15:47.45 | _fjh_ | enouf: I did right click, 'unmount volume' |
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| 15:48.00 | Will-O-The-Wisp | eagle1, if the filesystem it's in ro mode check it to search errors. You can force fsck at boot using tune2fs |
| 15:48.05 | Assid | enouf: the time settings are on the host node |
| 15:48.11 | enouf | Assid: er i meant clock=pit |
| 15:48.13 | eagle1 | Will-O-The-Wisp, thanks |
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| 15:48.21 | Will-O-The-Wisp | I don't remember the concrete option at this moment, sorry |
| 15:48.24 | Assid | enouf: i had tried that |
| 15:48.24 | enouf | Assid: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 |
| 15:48.43 | enouf | _fjh_: dunno - maybe irc.gnome.org can help |
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| 15:49.01 | Assid | enouf: debian lenny host |
| 15:49.13 | _fjh_ | enouf: ok thakns |
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| 15:49.45 | eagle1 | Will-O-The-Wisp, there's no tune2fs in the debian repo.. normal? |
| 15:49.53 | enouf | enzotib: sure there is |
| 15:50.01 | enouf | eagle1: er you, not enzotib |
| 15:50.06 | enzotib | :) |
| 15:50.10 | eagle1 | :P i've understand |
| 15:50.21 | eagle1 | $ aptitude search tune2fs |
| 15:50.22 | enouf | eagle1: just "touch /forcefsck" and reboot |
| 15:50.30 | eagle1 | return no entry |
| 15:50.35 | eagle1 | enouf, thanks a lot man :D |
| 15:50.35 | enouf | eagle1: it's in e2fsprogs |
| 15:50.38 | Assid | enouf:all this is on the host node itself |
| 15:50.39 | magyar_ | looking for info on setting up racoon on debian etch, any help is appreciated |
| 15:50.41 | eagle1 | k |
| 15:50.47 | enouf | !tell eagle1 -about apt-file |
| 15:51.13 | eagle1 | thanks twice, also is already installed |
| 15:51.35 | enouf | e2fsprogs: /sbin/tune2fs |
| 15:51.35 | enouf | e2fsprogs: /usr/share/man/man8/tune2fs.8.gz |
| 15:51.51 | enouf | run it with privs |
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| 15:52.04 | eagle1 | force fsck at boot will repair fs trouble... i hope |
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| 15:52.30 | enouf | eagle1: is / an ext2/3 FS ? |
| 15:53.05 | enouf | tune2fs is ext2/3 relative is my point - hence the pkg it's in ;-) |
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| 15:53.43 | eagle1 | enouf, yes of course.. |
| 15:53.45 | guyzmo | hi |
| 15:53.50 | Jemt | I have a shell script containing the following: "shopt -s compat31" - what does it do ? |
| 15:53.55 | Jemt | there is no 'man' for shopt |
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| 15:54.08 | Jemt | ... and --help is not very useful in this case |
| 15:54.09 | RichiH | http://rafb.net/p/3N5XsH11.html # no working mouse |
| 15:54.10 | enouf | man bash-builtins |
| 15:54.18 | RichiH | http://rafb.net/p/ImiRfm90.html # working mouse |
| 15:54.26 | guyzmo | got a weird pb with pure-ftpd : I configured it the same as on another server, and when starting I got "pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Unable to start a standalone server: [Invalid argument]" |
| 15:54.28 | Jemt | Thanks enouf |
| 15:54.31 | enouf | Jemt: echo $SHELLOPTS |
| 15:54.32 | RichiH | leading whitespace was stripped by the paste script ;) |
| 15:54.40 | guyzmo | if anyone has a hint... |
| 15:55.08 | Jemt | enouf: Cool, thank you |
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| 15:55.31 | RichiH | it does not make sense.. |
| 15:55.57 | enouf | shopt [-pqsu] [-o] [optname ...] |
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| 15:56.20 | abrotman | RichiH: can't you just paste the diff ? |
| 15:56.27 | enouf | Jemt: likewise; ~$ help shopts |
| 15:56.34 | enouf | er Jemt: likewise; ~$ help shopt |
| 15:56.37 | Assid | enouf: http://208.43.89.70/out |
| 15:56.54 | enouf | Jemt: you can use help <builtin> for all builtins |
| 15:57.00 | Assid | that was the other (non openvz kernel) but if you want openvz kernel.. will get you that |
| 15:57.36 | Assid | there.. refresh.. now has openvz dump |
| 15:58.19 | schme | Would anyone happen to know how one reconfigures the keymappings in the icedove and the iceweasel? |
| 15:58.24 | enouf | Assid: i'm at a loss .. only can ask that you recheck all settings, like /etc/default/rcS and BIOS time, and try some hwclock things maybe, etc .. |
| 15:58.34 | Doonz2 | Guys i know this isnt the right channel (im on ubuntu) but i need help. SOmeone with Security knowledge. I need someone to look at 2 log files for me and tell me if my box has been comprimised |
| 15:58.43 | Jemt | enouf: Ok, I'll read into it :) |
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| 15:59.02 | Orion_X11 | enouf: there is something wrong here, because I can't find a package called python-doc |
| 15:59.03 | enouf | Assid: i wonder if something like hpet=force is needed or something .. no idea - mostly guessing |
| 15:59.14 | Assid | enouf: i know less about these things than you do |
| 15:59.16 | asg | Doonz2: put them in a pastebin and maybe someone will take a look |
| 15:59.20 | enouf | Assid: did you ever pastebin dmesg? |
| 15:59.29 | Assid | enouf: yes.. http://208.43.89.70/out |
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| 15:59.41 | enouf | judd: versions python-doc |
| 15:59.42 | judd | enouf: python-doc -- etch/contrib: 2.4.4-1 lenny/contrib: 2.5.2-1 sid/contrib: 2.5.2-1 |
| 15:59.42 | eagle1 | enouf, after the fsck the host will return online.. right? |
| 15:59.46 | Doonz2 | k |
| 15:59.57 | enouf | !tell Orion_X11 -about contrib |
| 16:00.07 | RichiH | abrotman: local vimdiff is prolly better |
| 16:00.10 | enouf | eagle1: it better ;-) |
| 16:00.19 | Orion_X11 | enouf: but only "python-docutils" |
| 16:00.34 | enouf | eagle1: cross your fingers :-P might want to wait till someone is phycially oresent |
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| 16:00.40 | enouf | present* |
| 16:00.48 | eagle1 | enouf, i hope.. is a remote server.. 350 km far away |
| 16:00.59 | enouf | + there ;-) |
| 16:01.13 | eagle1 | note to eagle1: better to buy a kvm |
| 16:01.24 | Assid | enouf: saw it? |
| 16:02.10 | Will-O-The-Wisp | or a RSA/DRAC/iLO better than a KVM ;-) |
| 16:02.41 | eagle1 | i've used DRAC it's ok |
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| 16:02.53 | eagle1 | but if you make a mistake with the firewall |
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| 16:03.00 | eagle1 | even DRAC will not work :D |
| 16:03.23 | Doonz2 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/96055/ <-- First Log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/96058/ <-- Second log file |
| 16:03.29 | Will-O-The-Wisp | eagle1, sure, but if you have a remote KVM it's the same problem :P |
| 16:04.32 | eagle1 | lol right |
| 16:04.39 | Doonz2 | WHat Happen was i was on a reputable website (Hfboards.com) and i noticed that firefox's find bar opened up and then a whole but of command strings started being input so i quikly moused over to it and started throwing crap into the strings. Then at the end it said "You Got Owned" and closed down firefox |
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| 16:05.28 | abrotman | Doonz2: uname -a |
| 16:05.36 | enouf | Jemt: that particular shopt likely sets compatibility for bash version 3.1 |
| 16:05.57 | enouf | Assid: looking now |
| 16:05.59 | Doonz2 | Linux sserver1 2.6.27-9-generic #1 SMP Thu Nov 20 21:57:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:06.09 | abrotman | Doonz2: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:06.24 | Doonz2 | they werent much help. |
| 16:06.34 | Doonz2 | was hopinig to catch a security guru in here |
| 16:06.37 | abrotman | then ask ##linux |
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| 16:06.49 | Assid | enouf: i just rebooted it with hpet=force clocksource=hpet |
| 16:06.51 | Doonz2 | ok |
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| 16:07.15 | enouf | Assid: wtf is that paste? Connection refused |
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| 16:07.30 | Assid | enouf: try again |
| 16:07.35 | Assid | enouf: as i isaid.. i rebooted it.. to add those 2 options |
| 16:07.44 | Assid | which apparently didnt help |
| 16:08.01 | asg | Doonz2: 66.244.207.138 <--- if you didn't log in from that address, I'd be very careful |
| 16:08.12 | Schiz0|SD | Which one is non-blocking? /dev/random? and urandom DOES block? |
| 16:08.20 | Doonz2 | k thats my address |
| 16:08.42 | Doonz2 | but all those root session that say open and then closed |
| 16:09.02 | asg | Doonz2: that's some cron job. Do you have a 'server' account? What does it do? |
| 16:09.10 | Assid | enouf: you got it ? |
| 16:09.17 | Assid | jelly: you about? |
| 16:09.19 | Doonz2 | server is just my standard user name |
| 16:09.22 | enouf | Assid: use a pastebin ffs :-P |
| 16:09.31 | Assid | enouf: same thing... |
| 16:09.43 | enouf | Assid: also - are you using x86_64? |
| 16:09.43 | m_dige | hi guys. I don't want mysql to start everytime I boot my system. So I removed it using update-rc.d. But I have to do this everytime there is an update to the mysql package. Is there a way to specify that mysql shall never be added to run-levels when the package is updated ? |
| 16:09.53 | enouf | Assid: amd64 arch in debian |
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| 16:10.03 | Assid | enouf: yes.. lenny amd64 |
| 16:10.14 | enouf | Assid: pastebins don't say Connection refused :-P |
| 16:10.26 | nkuttler | m_dige: man update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 16:10.34 | Assid | enouf: they would if i rebooted them ;) |
| 16:10.37 | nkuttler | m_dige: err, rcconf i guess |
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| 16:10.50 | Assid | enouf: something wrong with x64? |
| 16:11.05 | enouf | yeah, rcconf - but i noticed there were some bug fixes for the latest sid version |
| 16:11.23 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, thanks, that makes sense |
| 16:11.32 | enouf | Assid: stop arguing nonsensically - and last time - use a pastebin site |
| 16:11.43 | asg | Doonz2: then as long as you weren't running firefox as root, you are probably fine. You might wish to search for files with odd permissions, odd accounts, take packet traces of outbound traffic from that box (preferrably from another inline device) to make sure it isn't contacting someone. |
| 16:11.50 | enouf | Assid: no, nothing wrong, answer me though |
| 16:12.31 | enouf | oh |
| 16:12.32 | enouf | my bad that time |
| 16:12.32 | Assid | ?! |
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| 16:12.32 | guyzmo | re |
| 16:12.32 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d7f90dc11 == there pastebin :P |
| 16:12.37 | asg | Doonz2: for future reference, when surfing sites that you don't trust, using the 'NoScript' extension can be a great help. |
| 16:12.41 | guyzmo | sorry for asking that: can anyone recommand me a good n00b windows ftp client ? |
| 16:12.53 | enouf | ok, so - yuo also have other boot options - see /Documentation/x86{/x86}_64/boot-options.txt .. depending on kernel version |
| 16:13.02 | enouf | GAH i hate that they move that shit around like that! |
| 16:13.03 | guyzmo | I haven't used windows for 10 years... and I have a luser that needs help |
| 16:13.11 | abrotman | guyzmo: filezilla .. and ask ##windows |
| 16:13.22 | guyzmo | ah right there's a ##windows |
| 16:13.29 | guyzmo | thanks abrotman |
| 16:13.30 | Assid | enouf: i added those in trying to fix these issues |
| 16:13.53 | enouf | Assid: added what those - some are 32bit options also - that's not what i mean |
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| 16:14.26 | Doonz2 | thats what freaked me out asg. is it is a Extremely trusted site |
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| 16:14.45 | Assid | enouf: you think this problem is due to 32bit? |
| 16:14.47 | enouf | and remove that silly quiet crap option@! |
| 16:14.49 | Assid | err.. 64bit ? |
| 16:14.50 | m_dige | nkuttler: I don't have rcconf installed. Is that another init system or just an extension to init system installed default ? |
| 16:14.54 | abrotman | Doonz2: so ask them, or #ubuntu, or ##linux or #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 16:15.22 | Doonz2 | eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[5829]) |
| 16:15.25 | sk4 | m_dige: sysv-rc-conf |
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| 16:15.40 | Doonz2 | Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 465) |
| 16:15.51 | abrotman | Doonz2: so ask them, or #ubuntu, or ##linux or #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 16:16.44 | simonrvn | 465 could be an mta listening on smtps |
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| 16:17.11 | simonrvn | dhclient3 well, depends, you run that for network? :) |
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| 16:17.58 | m_dige | sk4: I don't have that installed either.... |
| 16:18.04 | Assid | enouf: i tried clock= clocksource=. noapic acpi=off |
| 16:18.29 | simonrvn | Assid: still with the fucked clock, eh? |
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| 16:19.31 | Assid | yes :( |
| 16:19.38 | Assid | im this close to crying |
| 16:20.01 | simonrvn | :( |
| 16:20.11 | abrotman | do you need a WAAAAAMBULANCE?! |
| 16:20.13 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Assid, what's the problem? a different time in hwclock and system time? |
| 16:20.16 | abrotman | hides |
| 16:20.37 | Assid | Will-O-The-Wisp: my box drifts 0.2 seconds per second |
| 16:21.02 | enouf | Assid: do ls -l /dev/rtc |
| 16:21.08 | Will-O-The-Wisp | O_o! it's too time for 1 second |
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| 16:21.18 | Assid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-12-30 21:37 /dev/rtc -> rtc0 |
| 16:21.30 | enouf | aye, ok |
| 16:21.36 | sk4 | m_dige: man apt-get |
| 16:21.43 | asg | Assid: is this a VMWare guest? |
| 16:21.46 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Assid, the most common problem it's a dinamical variation of clock speed by hardware |
| 16:21.50 | cahoot | Assid: nforce chipset? |
| 16:21.54 | Assid | asg no |
| 16:22.02 | enouf | Assid: bug one http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11580 squashed :-p |
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| 16:22.07 | Will-O-The-Wisp | any configuration in the BIOS machine to tune de processor frequency? |
| 16:22.14 | xota | My bloq mayus led is inverted. Now I can write "aaaaa" when the led is on, and "AAAAA" when the led is off. It is due to I used a VNC connection to my pc, but I don't know hot to reinverted it. Any idea? |
| 16:22.19 | Assid | cahoot dont thibk so |
| 16:22.34 | enouf | Assid: this is fixed as well .. in .25.x http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=475959 :-/ |
| 16:22.41 | sk4 | m_dige: there is no default installed tools to manage rc scripts |
| 16:22.57 | m_dige | sk4: :-) - sure I can apt-get it. But I was wondering whether just some simple conf file where this could be specified. Don't run "update-rc.d" for package X when it is updated |
| 16:23.01 | cahoot | Assid: one of my systems had this problem with apic enabled due to a flaky bios |
| 16:23.11 | simonrvn | m_dige: no such thing. |
| 16:23.25 | Assid | cahoot: tried noapic acpi=off |
| 16:23.34 | m_dige | sk4; okay. Then i'll look at sysv-rc-conf. Thanks for clarifying |
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| 16:24.16 | halflife08 | hello folks is there a way to share X or remote login to reuse the same X session? i.e if i have system foobar which i use as a desktop and laptop xyz. i want to be able to lock my screen on foobar and be able to access the same login session remotely on xyz. i am aware of vnc, i was wondering if there are other ways to do it |
| 16:24.53 | enouf | asg: i already sent him that vmwarez clock=pic issue fix :-P |
| 16:25.00 | enouf | asg: no go :-/ |
| 16:25.18 | halflife08 | something like screen for X |
| 16:25.35 | enouf | Assid: i would really follow up on that though - time is speeding up for you ... which is what that vmwarez issue was |
| 16:26.01 | Assid | clock=pit ? |
| 16:26.06 | Assid | tried, no go |
| 16:26.12 | enouf | Assid: emal the kernel mailing list - yeah =pit , my bad |
| 16:26.30 | enouf | file a bug report - better |
| 16:27.09 | asg | enouf: iirc, there is a vmware conf bit that needs a twiddle as well but since he said this isn't a VMWare issue, there's no point. |
| 16:28.05 | enouf | Assid: i don;t know if options such like acpi_osi= , and various pci=nommconf would help |
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| 16:28.34 | enouf | asg: right - but it seems so much like it http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918461 |
| 16:28.34 | dios_mio | are mpg123 and mog321 different? which is better? |
| 16:29.21 | abrotman | they are, one used to be non-free IIRC |
| 16:29.59 | enouf | Assid: also http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt#L39 (find 'timer' options) also try 'nohpet' perhaps |
| 16:30.03 | Assid | iTCO_wdt ? |
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| 16:31.56 | stoned | who rang? |
| 16:32.19 | Assid | enouf: okay trying nohpet.. rebooting |
| 16:32.35 | stoned | some other guy nicked stoned |
| 16:32.46 | stoned | fuckin waki me up n shit. |
| 16:32.52 | stoned | *back to sleep* |
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| 16:34.25 | Schiz0|SD | Hey. I wrote a script that handles stopping and starting a daemon. I put it in /etc/init.d/. How can I set it to 'start' the script when the system boots? |
| 16:34.40 | Assid | nope nohpet didnt help |
| 16:34.59 | asg | Schiz0|SD: update-rc.d |
| 16:35.30 | Schiz0|SD | asg: thanks |
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| 16:36.36 | Assid | should i just load the 32bit.. |
| 16:36.46 | Assid | is too tired |
| 16:36.57 | enouf | Assid: the hpet and rtc issues seem resolved (your kernel version appears as in the list of those fixed) in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499230 but might it be a regression? or .. might this fix " - ntp: fix calculation of the next jiffie to trigger RTC sync" from the kernel changelog (linux-2.6 (2.6.26-9) unstable; urgency=low) be pertinent? |
| 16:37.21 | Schiz0|SD | what's the default runlevel in lenny? 2? |
| 16:37.35 | enouf | Assid: you are using NTP, correct? and you did say ntpdate was also installed? |
| 16:37.40 | asg | Schiz0|SD: yes, 2 |
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| 16:38.05 | Assid | enouf: i stopped it after booting.. then kept watch ntpdate -q on one of my time servers |
| 16:38.22 | Polarina | Does Debian Lenny correctly handle the leapsecond that is being added this year? |
| 16:38.25 | enouf | Assid: remove ntpdate, try that |
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| 16:38.33 | keith4 | !leap second |
| 16:38.33 | dpkg | hmm... leap second is A leap second will be added to atomic clocks worldwide at 23:59:60 (or near midnight) at Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on December 31, 2008. This is the 24th leap second to be added since the first leap second was added in 1972. This is also the first leap second in three years. http://www.timeanddate.com/time/leapseconds.html |
| 16:38.41 | Assid | enouf: it happened without ntpdate as well |
| 16:38.42 | keith4 | hmm |
| 16:38.46 | DireFog | !unreleased |
| 16:38.56 | yareckon | Oh my, Assid was discussing this problem yesterday when I logged off |
| 16:38.58 | enouf | stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned stoned |
| 16:39.00 | enouf | haha |
| 16:39.07 | enouf | Assid: ok |
| 16:39.32 | Assid | enouf: i readded it. just to help me synch .. and keep tab on how much its drifting |
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| 16:39.52 | enouf | Assid: well, you should do all your tests without it, IMHO |
| 16:39.57 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 16:39.57 | dpkg | ntpdate is, like, a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
| 16:40.07 | stoned | ASSHOLE! |
| 16:40.13 | enouf | hahaha |
| 16:40.20 | stoned | turns off BEEP |
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| 16:40.28 | enouf | it's about time ! |
| 16:40.38 | stoned | its useful, don't abuse it. |
| 16:40.40 | enouf | now you're learning... .sheesh .. younguns |
| 16:40.53 | Assid | i really doubt ntpdate is responsible for this going insane |
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| 16:42.01 | Flesje | i'm getting: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 16:42.09 | Flesje | while cable is plugged in and all |
| 16:42.14 | Assid | even getting rid of zaptel |
| 16:42.16 | Flesje | and under ifconfig it shows ip and all |
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| 16:42.48 | Assid | i know zaptel has a timing source |
| 16:43.29 | enouf | Assid: one more - try 'notsc' .. though .. hrm |
| 16:43.35 | Assid | err tried that |
| 16:43.43 | enouf | grovels |
| 16:43.54 | Assid | acpi=off noapic notsc combination as well |
| 16:44.17 | yareckon | looks for a way to turn on BEEP |
| 16:44.53 | Maliuta_CA | yareckon: pcspeaker driver |
| 16:45.08 | stoned | that doesn't automatically coinfigure it for IRC |
| 16:45.13 | DireFog | I'm trying to install KDE 4.2 stuff from http://kde42.debian.net/ (yes, I know), but "apt-get -tUNRELEASED" apparently fails to do its job |
| 16:45.14 | stoned | I hope you know |
| 16:45.27 | stoned | unreleased? |
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| 16:45.43 | DireFog | stoned: it's kinda unsupported |
| 16:45.57 | DireFog | just apt biting me in the ass again |
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| 16:46.10 | abrotman | DireFog: ask #debian-kde |
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| 16:46.27 | stoned | 8. Why don't you elaborate more on how to install/upgrade to KDE 4.2 from this repository? |
| 16:46.30 | stoned | A user of this repository should know or be able to figure how to do this without step-by-step guide. If you can't, it is not for you. |
| 16:46.35 | stoned | *clears throat* |
| 16:47.16 | yareckon | my grandma runs experimental |
| 16:47.21 | stoned | alright, gonna check out 4.2 today cuz I know how to use this! |
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| 16:47.25 | stoned | AHAHA HAHA HA. |
| 16:47.27 | DireFog | stoned: I read that, but it fails at the point where I tell apt to use a certain release... It fails for experimental as well, which is strange since I'm running x.org from experimental |
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| 16:47.46 | stoned | DireFog, either figure it out or hound #debian-kde |
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| 16:48.36 | DireFog | beh. *pins unstable to a higher value* |
| 16:48.46 | stoned | yareckon, your grandma got balls. |
| 16:48.54 | yareckon | hey! |
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| 16:49.03 | stoned | no thats a complement |
| 16:49.21 | DireFog | "97 upgraded, 182 newly installed, 18 to remove and 425 not upgraded." <-- now we're cooking with gas x-) |
| 16:49.29 | DireFog | too much lenny in my install |
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| 16:49.47 | enouf | Assid: what are the BIOS iommu settings if any - and poke around in there for other things, like PCIe Bus Speed etc .. |
| 16:49.49 | stoned | DireFog, you are no longer supported here. |
| 16:50.26 | DireFog | stoned: to be perfectly honest, if I'd be that dependant on support from here or a maillist, I'd be on Ubuntu. |
| 16:50.38 | stoned | DireFog, thats what I like to hear |
| 16:50.48 | stoned | DireFog, I might give you a hand with an odd thing here or there now. |
| 16:50.54 | stoned | :) |
| 16:51.14 | DireFog | I'm running an installation that's been copied from disk to disk for like 8 years or something. I recently removed 2.2 kernel modules. |
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| 16:51.22 | stoned | (on a seperate note: if you depended on ubuntu, you'd never get shit done.) |
| 16:51.41 | Assid | enouf: no access to the bios.. atleast i dont think they let me access to that |
| 16:51.44 | yareckon | kde 4.2 wouldn't run on linux 2.2? |
| 16:51.53 | DireFog | office installation was Ubuntu Dapper. |
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| 16:52.05 | DireFog | trying to phase that out. |
| 16:52.15 | enouf | Assid: ugh! a VPS? |
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| 16:52.28 | Assid | enouf: remote server.. dedicated server.. |
| 16:52.31 | DireFog | yareckon: those were leftovers from the beginning when there was no make-kpkg |
| 16:52.36 | Assid | im in india.. thats in us |
| 16:53.03 | stoned | india! |
| 16:53.31 | stoned | Bharat! |
| 16:53.31 | stoned | Vanday Matram! |
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| 16:53.32 | yareckon | heh... Assid I thought this was a proliant or something... |
| 16:53.43 | yareckon | or is this a separate question from yesterday? |
| 16:53.56 | yareckon | oh |
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| 16:53.57 | Assid | yareckon: i wouldnt be surprised if it is.. but i never said it was a proliant or anything |
| 16:54.18 | yareckon | bad enouf, not a VPS |
| 16:54.48 | Assid | so im thinking of. maybe 32bit.. but that kinda just spoiled my plans |
| 16:54.51 | yareckon | remind me to read before typing |
| 16:55.17 | enouf | Assid: try the etch-backports .26 maybe ? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-openvz-amd64 |
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| 16:55.59 | enouf | Assid: how much system RAM is installed? |
| 16:56.03 | Assid | enouf: on lenny? |
| 16:56.17 | Assid | enouf: at the moment 2 gigs.. was thinking of adding more once loads increase |
| 16:56.59 | enouf | on this system you are .. oh dear .. gah - there seems to be some options in boot-options.txt that mention some issues when < 3GB |
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| 16:57.29 | Assid | ?!?!?! problems cause im using less ram ? |
| 16:57.49 | enouf | Assid: bah. nm .. i suck - ignore me for now |
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| 16:58.06 | Assid | enouf: now you know what i feel |
| 16:58.12 | enouf | file a bug report |
| 16:58.37 | Assid | i suck at bug reports |
| 16:58.44 | Assid | and i need this box soon |
| 16:59.14 | Assid | always NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION |
| 17:00.36 | Assid | needs to make a decision |
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| 17:00.45 | schme | Congrats. |
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| 17:01.07 | Assid | enouf: and the reason why i want to keep openvz containers..is so i can move them around without having issues.. |
| 17:02.51 | enouf | Assid: i don't fault you or anything, and sure, i see |
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| 17:03.45 | Assid | and in future. play with xen .. since i wanna get some exposure to different systems like centos/fbsd etc |
| 17:03.53 | Assid | actually kvm |
| 17:05.52 | Assid | enouf: to make matters easy.. |
| 17:05.55 | Assid | lenny 32bit ? |
| 17:06.30 | schme | Assid: Can you not just switch to opensolaris and use zones for whatever yer using the openvz containers? |
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| 17:07.05 | schme | or the freebsd I suppose. |
| 17:07.08 | Assid | schme: never used it.. will be dificult to work/administer something |
| 17:07.18 | schme | Assid: Ah bugger :) |
| 17:07.21 | Assid | schme: one of the reasons why i want to play with KVM in future |
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| 17:07.27 | Assid | so i can use it to do this |
| 17:07.40 | enouf | Assid: IIRC, .28 now has some more container support - looked into lquest (and kvm) at all? |
| 17:07.47 | enouf | er lguest* |
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| 17:07.52 | schme | Ya good plan. It's a bit of an eye opener to get ones head outside the linux and GNU world. |
| 17:08.11 | schme | spits and curses at the people with their filthy sed -i |
| 17:08.21 | enouf | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28#head-0eef9a5d971c999f53a75b6113d196eb1d36a51f |
| 17:08.22 | schme | Now I need some coffee to calm meself down. |
| 17:08.27 | Assid | schme: use what your comfortable with.. to play with somethingyou arent |
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| 17:08.41 | schme | Assid: Indeed :) |
| 17:09.00 | Assid | enouf: kvm.. targetted as a future thing... will definitely want to play with it |
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| 17:09.02 | schme | Assid: I have bad experience with kvm though. I wish you better luck :) |
| 17:09.31 | enouf | schme: did your CPU support VT? |
| 17:09.32 | Assid | but due to my requirements not requiring a personalized kernel in each container.. i thought pure native speeds from openvz would be a good idea |
| 17:09.38 | schme | enouf: Yes, of course. |
| 17:09.54 | enouf | Assid: and does yours? egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:10.06 | Assid | enouf: yes |
| 17:10.10 | Assid | xeon 3220 |
| 17:10.17 | schme | Ya openvz is much nicer if one wants to just run more linux servers, of course :) |
| 17:10.22 | enouf | Assid: i knwo that from dmesg - no help |
| 17:10.35 | Assid | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good pni monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm |
| 17:10.48 | enouf | schme: was just curious if it was a QEMU implementation issue / problems |
| 17:10.58 | schme | enouf: No idea. :) |
| 17:11.03 | enouf | Assid: aye, vmx it is |
| 17:11.13 | schme | Hmm... |
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| 17:11.19 | schme | Well coffee is waiting. |
| 17:11.25 | enouf | Assid: ensure you enable it in the BIOS! |
| 17:11.25 | Assid | so.. starting to think.. 32bit lenny? |
| 17:11.28 | schme | I'll be back to laugh at you guys later :) |
| 17:11.30 | enouf | Assid: for kvm |
| 17:11.46 | enouf | !kvm |
| 17:11.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kvm is kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios. |
| 17:11.49 | Assid | enouf: always on.. |
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| 17:12.02 | enouf | Assid: i thought you had no access to BIOS |
| 17:12.13 | Assid | enouf: i had asked the tech in the datacenter |
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| 17:12.24 | enouf | aye |
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| 17:13.21 | Assid | okay .. so 32bit lenny? |
| 17:13.24 | Assid | starts to think |
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| 17:19.06 | enouf | Assid: try the etch-backports kernel 1st? if you move up to more RAM (4G or more) you'll either need to use a -bigmem-686, or a amd64 kernel, but still have 32bit userland .. so if you want 664bit userland, you need the amd64 arch |
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| 17:19.36 | enouf | Assid: file a bug report - heck - visit the #debian-kernel channel on oftc.net if you must |
| 17:19.46 | stoned | ok |
| 17:19.49 | Assid | i can use etch back ports on lenny? |
| 17:19.50 | dutchfish | enouf, what wrong with 64bit? |
| 17:19.51 | stoned | I guess I'm fucking awake now. |
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| 17:19.59 | stoned | dutchfish, what isn't wrong with 64 bit? |
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| 17:20.27 | dutchfish | stoned, not so much, in lenny for me atm, i run about 90% 64bit now |
| 17:20.33 | enouf | Assid: you can try the kernel |
| 17:20.54 | Metatron | when i try to reload repositories in synaptic, im getting alot of fails, http://security.debian.org etch/updates seems to be the main problem, anyone else having this? |
| 17:20.59 | Assid | enouf: lemme first try in that channel |
| 17:21.04 | Flesje | can some one help me with: CRONDR8169: eth0: link down |
| 17:21.08 | enouf | dutchfish: he's got a "wall time increases dramatically" issue he can't resolve |
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| 17:21.22 | dutchfish | enouf, any dumps or logs? |
| 17:21.30 | enouf | dutchfish: using Linux version 2.6.26-1-openvz-amd64 (Debian 2.6.26-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-24)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:21:25 UTC 2008 |
| 17:21.39 | Agresor | hi |
| 17:21.45 | dutchfish | enouf, hah, th eopenvz bug, ah yes |
| 17:21.49 | Agresor | some one speack spanish?? |
| 17:21.51 | enouf | http://assid.pastebin.com/d7f90dc11 <-- attempt to fix using various boot params |
| 17:21.57 | enouf | dutchfish: which? |
| 17:22.08 | cahoot | !es |
| 17:22.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:22.14 | enouf | Assid: pay attention - dutchfish also has kvm experience |
| 17:22.18 | dutchfish | enouf, its solved upstream (at the top of my head 2.6.27 |
| 17:22.28 | stoned | ) |
| 17:22.35 | dutchfish | enouf, hold on i look it up for you |
| 17:22.44 | enouf | dutchfish: gah! ... thanks ;-) |
| 17:22.49 | dvs | Is lenny out yet? 2008 is almost up. |
| 17:22.53 | stoned | Assid, is there a debian group in India? |
| 17:22.56 | Metatron | the /DiffIndex are the ones that arent loading, what are those, how can i get arround...im having problems in synaptic now updateing, things are being marked as "unverified" or unsigned |
| 17:23.12 | Assid | stoned: not sure.. there is a LUG tho in my city |
| 17:23.18 | stoned | fuck lugs |
| 17:23.22 | stoned | lugs are worthless |
| 17:23.22 | TimothyA | dutchfish; HARING! |
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| 17:23.28 | stoned | find a DUG |
| 17:23.38 | stoned | thats worth being part of |
| 17:23.53 | enouf | Dumbasses User Group? |
| 17:23.55 | Agresor | some one help me? |
| 17:23.58 | stoned | Debian User Gropu |
| 17:24.02 | stoned | Agresor, ask |
| 17:24.02 | enouf | oh |
| 17:24.08 | Agresor | i need hel with an openpower 720 |
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| 17:24.18 | Agresor | help |
| 17:24.25 | Assid | dutchfish: so known problem? |
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| 17:24.44 | Agresor | i don know how conect them |
| 17:24.45 | Assid | does na update to check todays updates |
| 17:24.53 | Assid | nope.. nothing |
| 17:24.59 | enouf | Assid: way to google for bugs :-P |
| 17:25.07 | gentlyninja | i have etch with kde, installed amarok but when i click it in kmenu to start nothing happens after startscreen appearing |
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| 17:25.46 | Agresor | iread the man of IBM |
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| 17:26.09 | enouf | right click kmenu > configure settings, find amarok and ensure [x] launch feedback is ticked gentlyninja |
| 17:26.11 | Assid | question is would 2.6.27 make it to lenny? considering the bug? or would there be port patch |
| 17:26.21 | abrotman | no |
| 17:26.27 | Agresor | the server is with redhat but i wont change to debian |
| 17:26.34 | enouf | gentlyninja: otherwise, ask in #debian-kde - oh, launch it from an xterm .. duh |
| 17:26.46 | enouf | Assid: it'll make it to sid |
| 17:26.49 | dutchfish | Assid, i am not able to find it directly but it has to do with either nfs and IPv6 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux-2.6.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=openvz |
| 17:27.25 | enouf | dutchfish: he's also using ntp and ntpdate , which isn't helping, just a fwiw |
| 17:27.42 | dutchfish | Assid, i worked around by disabling ipv6 in kernel 2.6.26 |
| 17:27.51 | Assid | okay lemme try getting rid of ipv6 |
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| 17:27.54 | dutchfish | dont mix ntpdate and ntp |
| 17:28.02 | dutchfish | !ntp |
| 17:28.02 | dpkg | methinks ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata', first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 17:28.26 | Agresor | some one help me?? |
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| 17:28.38 | dutchfish | Assid, using nfs? |
| 17:28.50 | Assid | dutchfish: yes.. thats how myu servers back up their data |
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| 17:29.01 | Assid | and yeah.. i got ipv6 too |
| 17:29.07 | gentlyninja | this kmenu > configure settings i cannot find... but here what xterm says when i start amarok: |
| 17:29.12 | gentlyninja | Amarok: [Loader] Starting amarokapp.. Amarok: [Loader] Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp. |
| 17:29.17 | dutchfish | Assid, then switch to 2.6.28 but you need to compile yourslef atm ... nasty |
| 17:29.20 | Assid | my datacenter given me native v6 |
| 17:29.32 | dutchfish | Assid, oh boy |
| 17:29.43 | dutchfish | Assid, i prefer kvm more and more |
| 17:29.59 | Assid | dutchfish: err.. i plan to run openvz and kvm on this box |
| 17:29.59 | dutchfish | Assid, or Xen |
| 17:30.20 | dutchfish | Assid, stock debian kernel? |
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| 17:32.20 | Assid | wtf happened to my net? |
| 17:32.33 | Assid | hrmm v6 tunnel must have gone down for a sec |
| 17:32.41 | hoxu | !peer |
| 17:32.41 | dpkg | hmm... peer is the most elusive script kiddie this side of Jupiter |
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| 17:33.05 | yareckon | Hi, does anyone have a recommended way to administer users and groups remotely with a gui app? I know webmin and ebox are not much loved on debian... |
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| 17:33.32 | yareckon | would even be happy with a gtk app that connected to a remote box over ssh or something |
| 17:33.37 | oira | how do i import only the .hidden files from my /home/user dir? |
| 17:33.42 | oira | in svn |
| 17:34.02 | dutchfish | Assid, need to run now, i will be back in 1 hour |
| 17:34.06 | hoxu | yareckon, ssh -X is your friend, then you just need an application that would allow locally modifying users and groups |
| 17:34.15 | yareckon | any suggestions... I'm aware of the security issues, and am appropriately paranoid |
| 17:34.15 | Assid | dutchfish: k.. i'll try without v6 |
| 17:34.23 | Assid | just rebooted it.. disabled all my v6 stuff |
| 17:34.25 | hoxu | oira, svn add .* # ? |
| 17:34.28 | dutchfish | Assid, double check nfs too |
| 17:34.38 | Assid | yes.. if that doesnt fix it.. next up nfs |
| 17:34.48 | yareckon | hoxu, how much of the X stack do I have to install on the server to get that... I'd rather have less rather than more |
| 17:34.53 | oira | hoxu: svn: Too many arguments to import command |
| 17:35.00 | oira | when i use .* |
| 17:35.07 | yareckon | for instance using the gnome tools would mean installing most of gnome |
| 17:35.18 | oira | svn import .* svn://localhost/oiras_home |
| 17:35.18 | hoxu | yareckon, you only need X libraries, no need to run X |
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| 17:35.34 | hoxu | yareckon, and any dependencies for the actual application naturally |
| 17:35.36 | H2S04 | yareckon, someone who really wants less would learn how to admin from the console ;) |
| 17:35.59 | yareckon | I was hoping to learn to admin with "just enough" thanks |
| 17:36.30 | Assid | is there a better way to see the drift? i used to check it with ntpdate -q |
| 17:36.35 | micols | any easy way to recover a text file that got lost and saved as 0 bytes? |
| 17:36.46 | yareckon | and the admin in question won't be me unless I'm constantly called in for a simple thing like setting up a user |
| 17:36.46 | micols | i.e. a vim session and somehow the text file got saved as 0 bytes. |
| 17:36.53 | enouf | google 06e1e4ffbd1932e288839b3140cda6b8141eb684 |
| 17:36.59 | yareckon | which brings me back to you suggestions |
| 17:37.01 | enouf | Assid: concerns UML though |
| 17:37.22 | Assid | ntpdate was soo much nicer :( |
| 17:37.39 | yareckon | hoxu, do you have a recommended gui app that handles this use case |
| 17:38.11 | hoxu | yareckon, nope, sorry |
| 17:38.12 | enouf | gah ... commit cfd28f6695d0fc047478480791a21bdd4967f98e Author: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com> Date: Mon May 12 14:01:53 2008 -0700 uml: fix bad NTP interaction with clock UML's supposed nanosecond clock interacts badly with NTP when NTP decides that the clock has drifted ahead and needs to be slowed down. Slowing down the clock is done by decrementing the cycle-to-nanosecond multiplier, which is 1. Decrementing that g |
| 17:38.12 | enouf | you 0 and time is stopped. This is fixed by switching to a microsecond clock, with a multiplier of 1000. |
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| 17:38.14 | yareckon | are you suggesting the gnome utils |
| 17:38.20 | yareckon | thanks |
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| 17:39.30 | Assid | okay i think thats solved it.. ipv6 |
| 17:39.46 | Assid | ntpq -pn shows offset to be same since the past 2 mins |
| 17:39.50 | robyonrails | football practice |
| 17:40.12 | Assid | no wait.. its increasing |
| 17:41.03 | Assid | oh.. ipv6 module still exists.. |
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| 17:41.17 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 17:41.17 | dpkg | it has been said that noipv6 is echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local (and reboot for the changes to take effect), or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 17:41.32 | Assid | thank you |
| 17:41.36 | enouf | Assid: well. either way, this should help guide you http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian |
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| 17:41.55 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 17:42.00 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 17:42.03 | bbelt16ag | I got a question. |
| 17:42.16 | joltcan | Good for you! |
| 17:42.17 | bbelt16ag | how would I found out the the block size for anew volumt |
| 17:42.22 | jelly | bbelt16ag: hello there! |
| 17:42.23 | jelly | !+tell bbelt16ag -about enter |
| 17:42.25 | dpkg | told bbelt16ag about enter. |
| 17:42.28 | yareckon | hoxu, I haven't actually done an install of gui apps without running a graphical window manager on startup.... how would I short circuit the startup most effectively? |
| 17:42.33 | enouf | htf can an ipv6 module affect system time? wtf? |
| 17:42.50 | bbelt16ag | ok I got a lvm volume and I want to reduce it but I first must use resize2fs. to reduce the volume. |
| 17:42.56 | enouf | bbelt16ag: tune2fs |
| 17:42.56 | jelly | enouf: ipv6 is the future! |
| 17:43.12 | enouf | is future-proof! |
| 17:43.33 | bbelt16ag | I got eh? |
| 17:43.34 | yareckon | look through the runlevels to keep gdm from starting, or can I carefully avoid installing anything that will try to start X? |
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| 17:43.38 | jelly | bbelt16ag: dumpe2fs -h /dev/whatever will show some filesystem metadata |
| 17:43.41 | bbelt16ag | no no that's not what the direction say |
| 17:43.48 | bbelt16ag | oh |
| 17:43.50 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 17:43.55 | enouf | as will tune2fs -l /dev/name1 |
| 17:44.13 | yareckon | i.e. is there a silver bullet here, or do I need to start a research project |
| 17:44.22 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 17:44.31 | ktwilight_ | is there a site that tracks the major changes in lenny? i wouldn't want any surprises when upgrading from etch to lenny. like hda->sda in sarge to etch. |
| 17:44.35 | bbelt16ag | ok so what block count do I need? |
| 17:44.49 | bbelt16ag | it says I must know the new size of the volume in blocks |
| 17:44.54 | bbelt16ag | how do I find that out.. |
| 17:44.55 | jelly | yareckon: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:45.20 | jelly | yareckon: no sane X app will try to start X. |
| 17:45.21 | enouf | !math |
| 17:45.21 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 17:45.35 | dante_2core | 333 |
| 17:45.37 | bbelt16ag | Block count: 39321600 |
| 17:45.37 | yareckon | jelly, it's their depends I'm worried abou |
| 17:45.42 | yareckon | but thanks |
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| 17:48.34 | bbelt16ag | ok I got a block size of 4096 and total clocks are 39321600 |
| 17:48.41 | yareckon | hoxu, jelly, thanks for the tips |
| 17:48.49 | ganiman | How do I change the default group on system log files (messages, syslog, etc)? Whenever my logs rotate, the group goes back to "adm" - I would like this to be something else. |
| 17:49.03 | bbelt16ag | 9600 blocks? |
| 17:49.15 | bbelt16ag | clocks ==blocks |
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| 17:50.56 | jelly | ganiman: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 17:55.29 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I always "build" my debian system from the ground up. I deselect everything during an install, remove a few things after booting into it for the first time. Turn off install recommends. That sort of thing. It's taught me a lot about what the various things do. What depends on what. What is essential, what is not. Anyway... now for the first time I need to use a printer. And I'm just not sure where to begin. I put a standar |
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| 17:56.07 | elux | how close is for the next major stable release to come out? |
| 17:56.16 | DireFog | OK, that one's nice. apt-listbugs shows a grub bug for kdm oO |
| 17:56.18 | elux | etch 4.0 is the current stable .. |
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| 17:56.26 | elux | whats next on the agenda? |
| 17:56.46 | elux | lenny .. |
| 17:56.51 | Shadow_Master | what use has having paravirtualization support enabled by default on lenny's latest 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 17:56.52 | elux | which is currently a testing release? |
| 17:57.14 | Assid | okay not ipv6 |
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| 17:57.23 | Assid | stares at nfs |
| 17:57.28 | abrotman | elux: lenny, and no one knows when it will be released |
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| 17:57.46 | elux | what are some of the new features being worked on? is there a list? |
| 17:57.55 | elux | new additions, refinements, etc. |
| 17:58.00 | Assid | gets rid of nfs.. in hopes of it working |
| 17:58.13 | Assid | if that doesnt work./. should i just throw this machine? |
| 17:58.19 | abrotman | elux: release.debian.org, packages.debian.org |
| 17:58.25 | Assid | finds a head to whack it on |
| 17:58.47 | elux | thanks |
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| 18:05.01 | Toni_ttf | I've got a Advent 5544 laptop. tried installing etch on it and it kept whining about not being able to identify the hardrive (a sata drive). I burned Lenny on a CD and it installed like a dream so kudos for it. The only problem now is that it freezes on boot, right after spewing out some ACPI: stuff. |
| 18:05.43 | Toni_ttf | I tried using noacpi, nolacpi, acpi=off to no avail. anyone have ideas how to get it working. I'd hate to reinstall the Vista on it :) |
| 18:05.47 | bbelt16ag | ok I think I figuredit out |
| 18:06.35 | Assid | how else can i see the actual drift in seconds :( .. ntpdate used to help me quite a bit here |
| 18:06.40 | abrotman | Toni_ttf: really freezes? or pauses? |
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| 18:06.52 | Toni_ttf | freezes |
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| 18:07.08 | abrotman | acpi=off noapic ? |
| 18:07.12 | Toni_ttf | stayed there for 4 hours now |
| 18:07.14 | enouf | Toni_ttf: got a camera? can upload a pic to picpaste.xxx ? |
| 18:07.20 | enouf | !paster |
| 18:07.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:07.25 | enouf | !paste |
| 18:07.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:07.26 | abrotman | enouf: you dirty old man |
| 18:07.31 | enouf | .com |
| 18:07.31 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/dc6f7908 |
| 18:07.39 | Toni_ttf | enouf, sure. takes a few mins though |
| 18:08.00 | DevilChaos | wtf.com |
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| 18:10.17 | dutchfish | Assid, back |
| 18:10.27 | simonrvn | dutchfish: front |
| 18:10.30 | Assid | dutchfish: i dont think nfs nor ipv6 disabling helped |
| 18:10.38 | dutchfish | Assid, you can check /var/log/ntpd/loopstats and peerstats |
| 18:11.14 | ganiman | jelly: if I edit that script and change "adm" to another group, I imagine that will affect all log files, not just syslog and messages? |
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| 18:11.38 | dutchfish | Assid, Assid is this pastebin from host or vm? |
| 18:11.58 | Assid | dutchfish: host.. all my pastebins are from the host |
| 18:12.07 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d24e315c5 |
| 18:12.11 | dutchfish | Assid, you removed ntpdate? |
| 18:12.18 | Assid | dutchfish: yes |
| 18:12.58 | dutchfish | Assid, is your hwclock updated? or at least near actuall time? |
| 18:13.19 | dutchfish | Assid, check dmesg |
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| 18:13.36 | enouf | ganiman: why don't you just add yourself to the adm group |
| 18:13.41 | Toni_ttf | enouf, http://picpaste.com/snap1.jpg |
| 18:13.41 | xingu | Assid: disable eist/c1e in the host's bios |
| 18:13.58 | Assid | xingu: whats that?? |
| 18:14.02 | enouf | xingu: wha!!? :-) |
| 18:14.06 | xingu | Assid: speedstep |
| 18:14.11 | enouf | c'est la'vie? |
| 18:14.16 | enouf | omg |
| 18:14.20 | enouf | on a Xeon? |
| 18:14.27 | Assid | hwclock --show |
| 18:14.27 | Assid | Tuesday 30 December 2008 11:44:38 PM IST -0.507403 seconds |
| 18:14.29 | ganiman | enouf: I want a group of employees to be able to view those logs, and we run openldap |
| 18:14.30 | xingu | enouf: uhuh. |
| 18:14.42 | Assid | shouldnt that have been UTC if my hwclock is utc? |
| 18:14.46 | dutchfish | Assid, tiemzone? |
| 18:14.47 | ganiman | enouf: I don't want to add a number of people to the adm group on 30+ servers |
| 18:15.00 | DevilChaos | i get files that need attention through tiger scripts whats the best way to change the permissions if im not good with chown or chmod is there an easier way? |
| 18:15.02 | Assid | dutchfish: india - UTC+5.5 |
| 18:15.07 | ganiman | and if that group of people ever changes, it would b e a pain to maintain that |
| 18:15.09 | enouf | ganiman: why not? |
| 18:15.15 | enouf | no it wouldn't |
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| 18:15.17 | ganiman | are you serious? lol |
| 18:15.21 | enouf | that's what adm is for |
| 18:15.25 | Assid | hwclock --show is about 30 secs up |
| 18:15.30 | dutchfish | Assid, did you run tzconfig or is it from installer? |
| 18:15.32 | enouf | and that only |
| 18:15.33 | ganiman | no |
| 18:15.35 | ganiman | lol |
| 18:15.36 | jelly | ganiman: it will affect log files maintained by that package... that is, syslog ones. |
| 18:15.45 | enouf | and you tweak /etc/default/useradd for new users |
| 18:15.54 | ganiman | enouf: no - we use openldap |
| 18:15.54 | Assid | in installer i chose Asia/Kolkatta .. and i think i ran tzconfig |
| 18:16.04 | ganiman | enouf: no one has "local" accounts |
| 18:16.18 | jelly | ganiman: you could move the groups to ldap, though |
| 18:16.21 | Assid | and for whatever reason i dont think ntp is synching my clock |
| 18:16.24 | hoxu | ganiman, (enouf): /etc/adduser.conf too |
| 18:16.24 | ganiman | jelly: that is true |
| 18:16.41 | enouf | hoxu: good to know, thanks |
| 18:16.47 | xingu | Assid: there's absolutely zero signalling between the host and guest as regards p-state; so for the clock-in-clock calbration problem you've got no chance - the guest is quite literally shooting at a moving target |
| 18:16.48 | ganiman | I didn't want to give them access to anything else the adm group might have though |
| 18:17.02 | jelly | that makes sense |
| 18:17.20 | Assid | xingu: what guest?!?!? im working on the host node |
| 18:17.21 | dutchfish | xingu, this si solved in 2.6.27.8 and up |
| 18:17.26 | xingu | Assid: the host should have less of a problem - it can book-keep for the differential between wallclock and system time |
| 18:17.30 | dutchfish | xingu, is solved |
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| 18:17.48 | xingu | dutchfish: no it's not. :) |
| 18:18.01 | enouf | heh |
| 18:18.17 | Assid | xingu: as i said.. i am on the host.. i am not running a windows host "trying to play with linux" .. i do have a linux host machine. |
| 18:18.29 | dutchfish | xingu, enlighten me, i understand that you are talking of kerneltime -> VM, right? |
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| 18:19.08 | Assid | if anytthing i think linux should always be the host..if you want to run windows.. if i do it on my desktop.. no. on server. definitely a way to go forward |
| 18:19.24 | enouf | Assid: are you sure the datacenter doesn't have your host+others in their own Virtual container? :-P |
| 18:19.25 | xingu | dutchfish: doesn't matter what kernel the host is running, if the bios is eist/c1e enable it'll snooze in smm |
| 18:19.38 | Assid | enouf: yes.. prett sure |
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| 18:19.52 | dutchfish | xingu, sure, thats correct, but i thought that that was not his issue |
| 18:19.53 | enouf | dang .. out of christmas cookies :-/ |
| 18:19.55 | Assid | lemme see if i can get bios access |
| 18:20.09 | xingu | dutchfish: the impact is to present an irregular _and unpredictable_ phase wrt the guest's scheduling tick. |
| 18:20.22 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 18:20.29 | xingu | dutchfish: ie, it _wanders about_ which nothing known to mankind can calibrate for - not even linux. |
| 18:21.04 | Assid | xingu: i dont think it happened when i was running 32bit etch on this same machine |
| 18:21.09 | dutchfish | xingu, but apart from that there where also issue from giving kerneltime to VM's in 2.2.26 and below |
| 18:21.20 | dutchfish | xingu, cfq |
| 18:21.55 | dutchfish | Assid, check what xingu said |
| 18:22.15 | jelly | in 2.2.26 you couldn't even out the letters c, f and q next to each other! |
| 18:22.19 | xingu | dutchfish: yes, but when I got to the bottom of this I had 2.6.27.early with stable-enough scheduling to regulate - for a msvpc2k7 host of all things. |
| 18:22.21 | jelly | put* |
| 18:22.24 | Assid | speedstep |
| 18:23.33 | dutchfish | xingu, i run now on 2.6.28 (no speedstep) but preemtive and this is working briliant (no time problems) but also no more need for time syuncing in VMs (kvm / Xen) |
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| 18:24.00 | dutchfish | xingu, before 2.6.27 it was a mess |
| 18:24.10 | xingu | dutchfish: you just don't have heavy enough load yet ;) |
| 18:24.26 | dutchfish | xingu, full load burn in test 8 hours |
| 18:24.39 | bbelt16ag | great now my whole dang drive is corrupt now |
| 18:24.39 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 18:24.43 | Assid | checking speedstep... standby |
| 18:24.49 | bbelt16ag | it says I got the wrong block size |
| 18:24.58 | Shadow_Master | I don't quite understand yet... how can I get the patches Debian applies on the kernel alone? |
| 18:25.03 | bbelt16ag | and its not I did exsaclty what it wanted me to do... |
| 18:25.09 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 18:25.14 | Shadow_Master | from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelSource I understand that there are more changes than in the diff package? |
| 18:25.19 | xingu | dutchfish: it's a valid point but the error from the cfq accounting issue is (generally) within ntpd's ability to calibrate ie +/-500ppm |
| 18:25.24 | Shadow_Master | *patch |
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| 18:25.55 | xingu | dutchfish: the error from smm-induced borkage can _easily_ give you +/-1000ppm right there on a plate in a single interval |
| 18:26.05 | xingu | dutchfish: which is "unfortunate" to say the least. |
| 18:26.08 | dutchfish | xingu, oh yes |
| 18:26.19 | Nielske | is somebody also daily crontabbing ntpdate command? |
| 18:26.47 | Nielske | my pc is every day like 5 secs away; I am wondering if that's normal behaviour? |
| 18:26.53 | dutchfish | Nielske, after Sarge not anymore |
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| 18:27.07 | ganiman | jelly: that seems to have worked for the archived logs.. but the current log still has the "adm" group - any ideas? |
| 18:27.18 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 18:27.18 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:28.12 | Nielske | dutchfish: i have etch |
| 18:28.28 | jelly | ganiman: dunno, what if you chgrp it? |
| 18:28.31 | dutchfish | Nielske, then follow dpkg hint |
| 18:28.52 | ganiman | jelly: that's what I did at first, but when it rotates, it loses the group |
| 18:28.59 | Assid | will speedstep disabling fix rthis? |
| 18:29.01 | enouf | Toni_ttf: can you tip the lid a bit more forward so we can read the screen text? O_O |
| 18:29.03 | jelly | ganiman: even after the changes? |
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| 18:29.17 | ganiman | I will try it again |
| 18:29.29 | Toni_ttf | rgr |
| 18:29.35 | xingu | Assid: it's the first thing to test - as your host changes p-states it'll knock the stuffing out of the guest's clock calibration. |
| 18:29.48 | enouf | Toni_ttf: and turn off the Flash |
| 18:29.51 | jelly | ganiman: did you change the group in both places in that file? :-) |
| 18:30.08 | Assid | xingu: once again.. happning on the guest |
| 18:30.12 | ganiman | I only saw it in one place |
| 18:30.20 | Assid | as in i ddidnt check it in the guest |
| 18:30.25 | Assid | this is happening ON the main host |
| 18:30.25 | bbelt16ag | hey my lvm is smaller then what linux is saying it is.. how do I fix that? |
| 18:30.26 | enouf | aha TSC (Time Stamp Counter) Unstable .. so halting |
| 18:30.36 | Assid | even ifi dont boot into the openvz kernel |
| 18:30.40 | ganiman | jello: savelog -g adm -m 640 -u ${USER} -c 7 $LOG >/dev/null |
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| 18:30.49 | ganiman | jelly: ^^ |
| 18:31.00 | dutchfish | Assid, xingu did read you well, just check it |
| 18:31.01 | enouf | Toni_ttf: using amd64 arch? try passing 'notsc' to the kernel as a boot param |
| 18:31.12 | jelly | ganiman: ...and? |
| 18:31.13 | Toni_ttf | x86 |
| 18:31.18 | Toni_ttf | intel celeron T1500 |
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| 18:31.23 | ndcsteve | hey |
| 18:31.25 | ganiman | jelly: that was the only line with the group defined |
| 18:31.36 | ganiman | jelly: and I changed "adm" to "5004" (group id in ldap) |
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| 18:31.39 | enouf | Toni_ttf: amd64 == x86 |
| 18:31.40 | jelly | ganiman: are you sure? my etch machine has another one. |
| 18:31.47 | enouf | Toni_ttf: i386 == x86 |
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| 18:31.51 | enouf | Toni_ttf: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/x86/x86_64/boot-options.txt#L74 |
| 18:31.55 | ganiman | jelly: yes |
| 18:31.57 | Assid | dutchfish: but hes saing its for the guest.. im tring this on a non guest.. on the main host.. even on a non openvz kernel |
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| 18:32.12 | jelly | ganiman: hm, pastebin that file |
| 18:32.19 | ganiman | k just a sec |
| 18:32.23 | dutchfish | Assid, no i meant check the bios setting first |
| 18:32.25 | Assid | dutchfish: no access to the kernel.. its password protected |
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| 18:32.43 | Assid | let me ask the datacenter to disable speedstep |
| 18:32.48 | ganiman | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1296517 |
| 18:32.49 | dutchfish | Assid, yup |
| 18:32.54 | Toni_ttf | enouf, http://picpaste.com/snap3.jpg |
| 18:32.59 | Toni_ttf | trying the notsc now |
| 18:33.14 | xingu | Assid: can I get a look at (from ntpdc) "sysinfo" ? |
| 18:33.19 | xingu | Assid: ie on the host |
| 18:33.33 | xingu | Assid: also "kerninfo" |
| 18:33.34 | jelly | ganiman: dpkg -l libc6 sysklogd |tail -2 |
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| 18:34.11 | bbelt16ag | sigh any ideas? |
| 18:34.13 | ganiman | jelly: oi this is an ubuntu server, not debian |
| 18:34.15 | ganiman | lol |
| 18:34.22 | jelly | !smack ganiman |
| 18:34.22 | dpkg | smacks ganiman upside the head. |
| 18:34.24 | bbelt16ag | how do I get my partition to relize that its 20 gigs smaller now.... |
| 18:34.38 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Partition or filesystem? |
| 18:34.42 | ganiman | jelly: forgive me, we have a mix of ubuntu, debian and gentoo - most are debian |
| 18:34.45 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d1401c58e |
| 18:34.51 | enouf | xingu: smm is? |
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| 18:35.07 | karsten | bbelt16ag: resizefs & gparted, I believe, are your friends. Kernel may need a reboot to see the partition table changes. |
| 18:35.12 | jelly | ganiman: you'll need to find out where those files are created on your own, then |
| 18:35.29 | ganiman | jelly: thanks for the help - I will have to do this on the debian servers too |
| 18:35.32 | xingu | dutchfish, Assid: re eist/c1e interaction with the _host_ - this comes down to which clocksource is being used (hpet/tsc/jiffies/acpi) and whether or not the system's acpi code knocks it about; which is vendor-specific. |
| 18:35.53 | Toni_ttf | enouf, still freezes with notsc. the "Marking TSC unstable..." comes a few rows earlier and now the last row is ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling states) |
| 18:35.57 | jelly | ganiman: that file in debian stable looks a bit differently, has two for loops and the second loop does a chown of the log files themselves |
| 18:36.12 | ganiman | cool - I will check it out on a deb server |
| 18:36.17 | _fjh_ | Hi, I asked the #gnome guys, but no help. So back here again. How do I debug why my USB drives are only auto-mounted only once? |
| 18:36.33 | xingu | dutchfish, Assid: it shouldn't do (my notebook for instance is perfectly regular with speedstep going away like mad); but it can be an issue it's the first variable to eliminate as it'll also prevent the trip down the rabbit hole for the next problem (ie, guest clock irregularity) |
| 18:37.11 | xingu | enouf: system management mode; where your cpu disappears off to when it's doing neat things behind ring0's back. |
| 18:37.18 | _fjh_ | udev,pmount, hal seem to be involved. I have no clue how and no knowledge to check them isolated. Need help! |
| 18:37.19 | Assid | xingu: dutchfish: noapic acpi=off nohpet nortc .. and a few other options.. i tried them all |
| 18:37.36 | enouf | xingu: o m g ... |
| 18:37.38 | xingu | enouf: neat things like emulating the debug port and usb<->ps/2 |
| 18:37.49 | enouf | wonderful :-) |
| 18:38.07 | bbelt16ag | fileystem I believe |
| 18:38.07 | xingu | enouf: as well as in some cases up/downclocking the fsb |
| 18:38.12 | bbelt16ag | I followed these directions |
| 18:38.23 | enouf | xingu: eww ... :-( |
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| 18:38.34 | bbelt16ag | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/reducelv.html |
| 18:38.45 | enouf | _fjh_: check your pmount options? /msg dpkg gnome-automount |
| 18:39.00 | enouf | Toni_ttf: i'm thinking .. |
| 18:39.02 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.28 | enouf | Toni_ttf: used lenny netinstall i386 ISO for installation? |
| 18:39.37 | bbelt16ag | e2fsck complians about the superblock or partition table is corrupt. |
| 18:39.51 | bbelt16ag | probably superblock cause that's what It said to change.. |
| 18:39.58 | micols | how do i recover a textfile which was overwritten as 0bytes ? |
| 18:40.00 | castingcrowns | I am thinking of changing over from openSuse to debian. Does Debian have a package manager like yast? |
| 18:40.05 | micols | its ext3 fs |
| 18:40.05 | xingu | Assid: right, so the system tick is currently unregulated; are you starting ntpd with the -g flag? |
| 18:40.14 | Assid | yes |
| 18:40.27 | Assid | default lenny has it |
| 18:40.35 | castingcrowns | Can I install KDE4? |
| 18:40.53 | orgthingy | KDE4 ? just wait for it |
| 18:41.04 | orgthingy | stick with 3.5, most kde users like 3.5 more anyway |
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| 18:41.15 | xingu | Assid: ok next can I see from ntpdq "pe" "lass" and then picking one of the peer id's in the lass output, "psta id" |
| 18:41.25 | Toni_ttf | enouf, CD1, no netinstall |
| 18:41.25 | Percules | hello guys |
| 18:41.35 | _fjh_ | enouf: check pmount options for what? And where? |
| 18:42.00 | Percules | is there any ftp client that has upload limit and pause/resume capabilities ? |
| 18:42.04 | Toni_ttf | I've got only a wlan which isn't supported unfortunately |
| 18:42.09 | enouf | Toni_ttf: well .. it appears it's the initrd's /scripts/init-premount/udev{thermal, udev} |
| 18:42.15 | enouf | causing the issue, i would say |
| 18:42.31 | enouf | bah, udev, and/or thermal |
| 18:42.37 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d78ddc292 |
| 18:42.46 | xingu | Assid: what this is in aid of is looking at the history to see how wobbly you are between peer polls - if there's both +ve as well as -ve error and large variance then you've got a wobbly tick and knocking the vagarities of speedstep out of the equation is the right thing to do first |
| 18:43.01 | enouf | Toni_ttf: cd1 is fine - just trying to ascertain if Ifucken386, or AMD |
| 18:43.03 | xingu | Assid: aah - ntpd has exitted |
| 18:43.04 | enouf | Toni_ttf: cd1 is fine - just trying to ascertain if Ifucken386, or AMD64 |
| 18:43.13 | xingu | Assid: can you restart it? |
| 18:43.24 | orgthingy | enouf : still here, heh ;p ? |
| 18:43.38 | enouf | Toni_ttf: you've gone through the entire install successfully? |
| 18:43.46 | Assid | you sure the command is pe |
| 18:43.53 | xingu | guesses due to too much error - it'll panic and exit outside +/- 500ppm error |
| 18:43.56 | Toni_ttf | yea, Lenny went through is real nice and smooth |
| 18:43.57 | xingu | from memory |
| 18:44.07 | xingu | assid: certain - peers |
| 18:44.12 | Percules | is there any ftp client that has upload limit and pause/resume capabilities ? |
| 18:44.25 | dutchfish | xingu, you mean ntpd ? |
| 18:44.28 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d7844b403 |
| 18:44.30 | xingu | dutchfish: yup |
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| 18:44.51 | xingu | dutchfish: the userland tool is ntpq |
| 18:44.51 | enouf | Toni_ttf: boot a livecd and chroot and run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-VERSION-name" find out your exact kernel pkg name - it's linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 or similar |
| 18:45.00 | dutchfish | xingu, ah ... that explains a problem where i was fighting against lately |
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| 18:45.12 | enouf | Toni_ttf: did you pass any blacklist options when you installed? |
| 18:45.19 | xingu | Assid: right can I have the "lass" and "psta" bits too now please? :) |
| 18:45.28 | Assid | lass nothing |
| 18:46.00 | Toni_ttf | enouf, no |
| 18:46.02 | dutchfish | xingu, and to top it of my windows host stopped suyncing time completely because it was 5 mintus off, nicely preventing any authentication |
| 18:46.11 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d43912914 |
| 18:46.57 | xingu | dutchfish: you can fudge it, but it's a better idea to fix the problem |
| 18:47.15 | dutchfish | xingu, bingo |
| 18:47.15 | xingu | dutchfish: needless to say - p-states sleepage is often the problem ;) |
| 18:47.23 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 18:47.37 | dutchfish | xingu, but on some of my machines it plays nice |
| 18:48.19 | xingu | Assid: hrm; so "lassoc" in ntpq comes back with nothing/error? |
| 18:48.27 | Toni_ttf | enouf, I installed it using the graphical install since the normal install looked frigging horrible |
| 18:48.28 | enouf | Toni_ttf: try clocksource=hpet (then try clocksource==pit) as boot parameter |
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| 18:48.49 | Assid | xingu: unknown command |
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| 18:49.20 | xingu | wow, that's quite bizarre, I've been doing this for quite some time ;) |
| 18:49.35 | shams | do you know good english to english dictionary? |
| 18:50.09 | xingu | Assid: has someone munged your ntpq binary? this isn't new functionality. :) it's a straightforward mode7 query asking the selected host about its peers (the default host is the local host, change with "host ..." command) |
| 18:50.22 | dutchfish | enouf, lenny beta installer spits at me too, with graphical install, could solve thta by vga=xxx as kernel param |
| 18:50.35 | Assid | xingu: dont look at me.. im using lenny. unless the deprecated it |
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| 18:51.00 | xingu | Assid: and you're definitely looking at "ntpq" not "ntpdc" ? |
| 18:51.08 | Assid | oh |
| 18:51.12 | xingu | grins |
| 18:51.12 | Assid | thats ntpdc |
| 18:51.14 | Assid | :| |
| 18:51.39 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d14f0f57 |
| 18:51.58 | enouf | Toni_ttf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=470522 i'll look too |
| 18:52.03 | xingu | it's a PITA, ntpdc is what can query the _kernel_ stats, but ntpq has the most complete support in terms of querying the _daemon_ |
| 18:52.10 | Assid | 2 days.. 2 freaking days working on this |
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| 18:53.13 | xingu | Assid: right, so the cool thing here is this tells me the ntpd is rejecting all the peers - so now onto the real guts of your host's timekeeping issues |
| 18:53.23 | xingu | assid: lemme see psta 30365 |
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| 18:53.52 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d1d8c0ae3 |
| 18:53.57 | Assid | this makes sense to you??? |
| 18:54.04 | Assid | tips his hat to the gibberish |
| 18:54.10 | xingu | Assid: yes; see that filtoffset? |
| 18:54.20 | Assid | yes? |
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| 18:55.01 | xingu | Assid: this tells me that your local timesource is actually slowing - it's getting further behind gps timestamp *at each subsequent poll* |
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| 18:55.27 | xingu | Assid: fortunately it's not wandering in both directions nor is it doing the macarena so it's probably fixable |
| 18:55.43 | enouf | Toni_ttf: i wonder if via disabling or altering a setting in your BIOS would help , possible iommu, or even speedstep related items |
| 18:55.44 | Assid | slowing??? but the local time is going forward |
| 18:56.06 | enouf | !macerena |
| 18:56.15 | dutchfish | dance |
| 18:56.24 | Assid | seriously/? |
| 18:56.25 | Assid | hehe |
| 18:56.28 | enouf | er maca* ... but i like the lombada :-P |
| 18:56.33 | Toni_ttf | enouf, the laptop has a really retarded phoenix BIOS. I can change the password and that's about it :) |
| 18:56.34 | xingu | Assid: ok, getting further ahead; roughly 4s per poll - so 4s every 64 |
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| 18:56.48 | xingu | Assid: I always have trouble with relativity |
| 18:56.59 | enouf | Toni_ttf: haha .. that;s not a PlayStation 3 is it? :-P |
| 18:57.01 | xingu | Assid: right; next on the plate - have you messed with adjtimex at any point so far? |
| 18:57.22 | Toni_ttf | i wish it was. it's pretty much a brick currently :) |
| 18:57.26 | Assid | yes. jelly helped me with that |
| 18:57.54 | Assid | we tried -t -f .. with some params i dont remember at this very moment |
| 18:58.08 | xingu | Assid: right, I'm going to un-cargo-cult you if that's ok |
| 18:58.19 | dutchfish | grins |
| 18:58.19 | Assid | say what?? |
| 18:58.20 | jelly | heh |
| 18:58.22 | xingu | Assid: first - remove adjtimex binary from your system; it's hooked in some unusual places |
| 18:58.38 | xingu | Assid: ie in the hwclock.sh rc script for one |
| 18:58.49 | Assid | err ok |
| 18:58.56 | xingu | Assid: next - stop ntpd; then remove /etc/adjtimex.whateveritis |
| 18:58.58 | Assid | do i just apt-get remove --pure it ? |
| 18:59.08 | xingu | Assid: or aptitude, whichever you use |
| 18:59.29 | Assid | okay done |
| 18:59.30 | Assid | now what |
| 18:59.32 | xingu | Assid: then after killing the adjtimex savefile, restart ntpd |
| 18:59.43 | Assid | stopped ntp already |
| 18:59.46 | xingu | Assid: and take another look at the lass output to see if we're still slewing |
| 18:59.53 | Assid | adjtimex savefile??? wheres that |
| 19:00.02 | xingu | Assid: /etc/adjtimex.something |
| 19:00.10 | xingu | doesn't have one handy |
| 19:00.19 | Assid | cant find any such file.. tab completion doesnt show it.. i think --purge took care of it |
| 19:00.20 | jelly | Assid: /etc/adjtime or similar |
| 19:00.30 | simonrvn | /etc/adjtime |
| 19:00.35 | xingu | that'll do |
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| 19:00.37 | Assid | tab completion on /etc/adj gets me nothing |
| 19:00.54 | simonrvn | i got that from irssi tab complete ;) |
| 19:00.57 | xingu | Assid: ok restart ntpd if you would and hang two |
| 19:01.10 | xingu | hops over to reference system |
| 19:01.11 | Assid | started |
| 19:01.18 | enouf | Toni_ttf: if the issue is the initrd's /scripts/init-premount/thermal script, then you'll want to comment out the 'modprobe thermal' and 'modprobe fan' lines - if it's the /udev script i'm not sure what to do about it - are you booting from a USB / Firewire drive? |
| 19:01.40 | Toni_ttf | from the HD |
| 19:01.56 | Assid | "nfortunately, we cannot disable speedstep as this is a customized change that we do not support. The servers are set up with a default bios configuration and we do not allow changes to that configuration other than Intel virtualization Technology and boot order modifications." |
| 19:02.01 | Assid | stupid datacenter |
| 19:02.11 | enouf | Toni_ttf: the above would be if those /scripts/{thermal,udev} are actually the cause - it could be something else .. still looking |
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| 19:02.34 | simonrvn | Assid: this is why i host my own stuff |
| 19:02.58 | Assid | simonrvn: wish i could.. unfortately . i cant |
| 19:03.21 | xingu | Assid: heh; ok, this may not be fixable, but let's plow on |
| 19:03.25 | _2 | is there a way to start X within a ttyp# secure shell ? |
| 19:03.34 | Assid | xingu: okay |
| 19:03.36 | Assid | whats next |
| 19:03.43 | xingu | Assid: after restarting ntpd - is the clock still skewing at that rate? |
| 19:04.00 | Assid | i dunno.. i used to use ntpdate to check the skew |
| 19:04.08 | xingu | Assid: the lass output tells you |
| 19:04.15 | xingu | Assid: filtoffset line |
| 19:04.32 | Assid | filtoffset= -10455. -5556.2 -805.14 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00, |
| 19:04.42 | xingu | Assid: ok that's still pretty grim. |
| 19:04.52 | Assid | yep |
| 19:05.26 | jelly | xingu, Assid: you lot could have reset the tick setting before removing poor adjtimex :-( |
| 19:05.40 | simonrvn | omg, that's bad |
| 19:05.43 | enouf | Toni_ttf: is your BIOS dated ~ 2005-02-20 ? if so, can you see if an update is available? if so, check what the fixes it does |
| 19:06.02 | simonrvn | don't expect to be let onto any pool serving ntp ;) |
| 19:06.33 | xingu | Assid: jelly's got a point - is it going to distress things if you reboot the host? |
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| 19:06.41 | Assid | nah |
| 19:06.43 | Assid | rebooting |
| 19:06.45 | simonrvn | (high traffic shit, that, lemme tell ya) |
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| 19:06.51 | enouf | Assid: yikes! to the message about no disabling speedstep .. heh |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: that's why they have pools! |
| 19:07.05 | Assid | ive rebooted soo many times.. i doubt 1 -2 more is gonna make a difference |
| 19:07.10 | simonrvn | i *was* in the pool |
| 19:07.11 | KiDFlaSh | what is a kernel failiure? |
| 19:07.29 | simonrvn | when my turn came, SPIKE, hehe |
| 19:07.30 | abrotman | simonrvn: the pool is bigger now! |
| 19:07.30 | Assid | simonrvn: im a source for my friends... my friends offices' and other servers |
| 19:07.39 | abrotman | KiDFlaSh: whne your kernel fails |
| 19:07.40 | simonrvn | abrotman: thankfully |
| 19:07.51 | xingu | jelly: ntpd's got a bit of a quirk in it - if the kernel pll is not sync'd it'll actually blow away the kernel flywheel/regulator during init |
| 19:07.52 | _2 | KiDFlaSh when a kernel has to repete a grade ? |
| 19:07.54 | Assid | simonrvn: atleast the other box is |
| 19:07.58 | enouf | simonrvn: don't forget about the leap second! |
| 19:08.10 | xingu | jelly: but it depends on what status the kernel pll has at start |
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| 19:08.17 | simonrvn | enouf: gregorian calendar sucks |
| 19:08.30 | Assid | lets move to UNIX_TIMESTAMP |
| 19:08.36 | enouf | simonrvn: heh, they messed it up ~ the time of King James! :-p |
| 19:08.49 | Assid | whats the date today? 28785465474.. whats the time now ? 165494654984987 |
| 19:08.52 | KiDFlaSh | is it critic? |
| 19:08.57 | KiDFlaSh | al |
| 19:08.59 | enouf | !leap second |
| 19:08.59 | dpkg | hmm... leap second is A leap second will be added to atomic clocks worldwide at 23:59:60 (or near midnight) at Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on December 31, 2008. This is the 24th leap second to be added since the first leap second was added in 1972. This is also the first leap second in three years. http://www.timeanddate.com/time/leapseconds.html |
| 19:09.03 | xingu | Assid: are you back up yet? need to know if that skew persists after reboot. |
| 19:09.08 | KiDFlaSh | !kernel failure |
| 19:09.35 | jelly | Assid: unix timestamps suck! tai64 ftw |
| 19:09.41 | jelly | all praise DJB |
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| 19:10.08 | Assid | xingu: yes.. for some reason ntp didnt start up |
| 19:10.25 | Assid | or rather lass does nothing |
| 19:10.31 | Assid | ***No host open, use `host' command |
| 19:10.33 | xingu | Assid: ok start ntpd and recheck |
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| 19:10.55 | _2 | heh sounds to me like if the clock has to be adjusted a second every few years, then it's ticking just a little bit off |
| 19:11.07 | jelly | xingu: thankfully I'm almost completely clueless wrt ntp and kernel <-> ntp interaction. I've seen system clocks go from bad to worse when ntpd got enabled though. |
| 19:11.32 | xingu | jelly: it's a fiddly business alright. |
| 19:11.38 | KingRobot1 | Okay, this is an offtopic question, but I'm hoping some server admins or automation folks will have an answer... Anyone know of a __reliable__ power outlet switch that can be toggled from within linux? |
| 19:11.55 | xingu | jelly: as fiddly as a man with two watches on his arm - which one's right? |
| 19:11.55 | Assid | xingu: from ntpq -p |
| 19:11.56 | Assid | 10.11.146.130 204.152.184.72 2 u 6 64 7 33.749 -108.49 7.629 |
| 19:12.02 | enouf | xingu: i bet you're way past this, but here's an earlier Assid dmesg output when attempting to fix the issue using 'hpet=force clocksource=hpet" |
| 19:12.02 | Assid | offset 108 |
| 19:12.06 | enouf | xingu: er http://assid.pastebin.com/d7f90dc11 |
| 19:12.52 | xingu | Assid: that's looking good, but let's do things one step at a time - is the clock still accelerating per filtoffset in pick-your-favourite-peer lass,psta peerid |
| 19:13.20 | Assid | ntpq lass gets me Name or service not known |
| 19:13.21 | enouf | Toni_ttf: aha, i see ACPI: SSDT 7FEE3B70, 13EC (r1 PmRef CpuPm 3000 INTL 20050228) in other people's dmesg's as well - nothing about your BIOS date, but i bet that ACPI implementation is all sorts of whacko |
| 19:13.27 | Assid | weird |
| 19:13.29 | Assid | one sec |
| 19:13.41 | xingu | Assid: ntpq -c lass if you're going to do it that way |
| 19:13.42 | Assid | filtoffset= -122.74 -118.04 -113.51 -108.49 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00, |
| 19:13.46 | Assid | there |
| 19:13.49 | xingu | Assid: that's *much* better. |
| 19:14.00 | Assid | it is ? |
| 19:14.06 | Assid | it will keep accelerating |
| 19:14.09 | xingu | Assid: ok ntpd can cope with that kind of skew - you just need to leave it the hell alone for a few days |
| 19:14.19 | Assid | few days ?!?!?!? |
| 19:14.20 | xingu | Assid: back to ntpdc and kerninfo |
| 19:14.21 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 19:14.29 | Assid | tomorrow its going to be 2.5 hrs ahead |
| 19:14.42 | xingu | Assid: no it won't. :) |
| 19:14.51 | simonrvn | i managed to stay in the pool with a mobo that had 114 ppm |
| 19:14.57 | jelly | how did you solve the gross error? |
| 19:15.38 | xingu | jelly: adjtimex is always bad juju - it guesses wrong unless you do what you're supposed to (collate 7d-ish worth of data, then aggregate it) |
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| 19:15.55 | simonrvn | Assid: ntpd will fix that mofo. takes a while though. |
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| 19:16.21 | Assid | ntpq -p supposed to show * next to one of the servers.. but doesnt ever show any +/-/* |
| 19:16.37 | xingu | jelly: and there's a bazillion cargocult howto's up on the net that say do this-and-that and bicketybam that's it - all of them neglect to state that by taking samples a few seconds apart you're going to wind up compounding rather than eliminating error |
| 19:16.48 | xingu | Assid: no; ntp -p is shorthand for ntp -c peers |
| 19:17.17 | Assid | xingu: yeah.. but as i said.. its supposed to show +/-/* next to the peers |
| 19:17.19 | xingu | Assid: it will show some when it's chosen one; but I'd like to see "lass" to tell me why it's not yet, if it hasn't. |
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| 19:17.58 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/dce40c55 |
| 19:18.16 | Assid | yes it worked |
| 19:18.16 | xingu | idly observes that one of the dpkg factoids on time is teeth-grindingly close to committing one such sin |
| 19:18.18 | Toni_ttf | enouf, yea I've got the same date. ACPI: SSDT 77D93850, 0518 (r1 PmRef Cpu0Cst 3001 INTL 20050228) |
| 19:18.20 | root_____ | interesting, i have a system that looses about 4 hours a day while running linux + ntpd, but keeps accurate time running M$ or not powered at all. so i disabled ntpd and the clock started staying set |
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| 19:18.58 | xingu | Assid: ok I'd like to see a paste of psta 20887 |
| 19:19.18 | xingu | Assid: I pick on this one because it's marked as sys.peer per lass |
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| 19:19.37 | xingu | Assid: ie, it's the timestamp you're synchronising to |
| 19:19.40 | Assid | yes its the * next tot he peer in us mortals |
| 19:19.44 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d2a679935 |
| 19:19.46 | xingu | (it has the highest quality time) |
| 19:19.48 | Assid | yep |
| 19:19.52 | Assid | strat1 |
| 19:19.59 | Assid | my server is strat2 |
| 19:20.13 | Assid | offset seems to be coming down |
| 19:20.16 | xingu | Assid: excellent, this is all as it should be; now from ntpdc keep an eye on kerninfo |
| 19:20.38 | xingu | Assid: if you paste that I'd be much obliged. |
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| 19:20.54 | Assid | http://assid.pastebin.com/d5a4bddfd |
| 19:21.25 | Assid | so question.. can i load ipv6 and nfs back? |
| 19:21.29 | Assid | the problem was adjtime |
| 19:21.30 | Assid | ? |
| 19:21.31 | xingu | Assid: ok over the next few days you'll see the pll offset/frequency change |
| 19:21.47 | Assid | xingu: can i start using for production now? |
| 19:22.04 | xingu | Assid: ... and as such your error will come down from the 100ms or so you have at present to 1-2ms |
| 19:22.20 | Assid | sweet |
| 19:22.27 | simonrvn | Assid: not yet |
| 19:22.36 | Assid | not yet? |
| 19:22.40 | xingu | Assid: you can try; however with eist enable (check in powertop for p-states speed stepping) your _guests_ may have horrible skew. |
| 19:23.11 | Assid | xingu: guests that use kvm/vmware/xen ? |
| 19:23.13 | xingu | Assid: and this may not be solveable - for the _host_ it is - providing the system's hw doesn't bugger up your timer while in smm (yours doesn't seem to - too badly) |
| 19:23.18 | Assid | openvz containers shouldnt have a problem, right |
| 19:23.49 | xingu | Assid: doesn't matter - what matters is that the host's sleep/wake state is neither _predictable_ nor _measurable_ for the guest |
| 19:24.10 | xingu | Assid: all it knows is that its own "hardware timer" has phase error like no tomorrow. |
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| 19:25.04 | xingu | aaaaaaaaanyway. |
| 19:25.16 | xingu | Assid: if your ntp.conf file doesn't already have a driftfile - grow one. |
| 19:25.40 | Assid | sure it does.. driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift |
| 19:25.49 | simonrvn | 35.335 |
| 19:25.51 | xingu | Assid: once ntpd has figured out your kernel-verses-gps phase error (and the corresponding pll values to accommodate) - it jots it in there. |
| 19:26.09 | enouf | Toni_ttf: have you tried the other boot options i mentioned? and you did say 'notsc' did NOT work? but got a little further? what text after is showing please? |
| 19:26.13 | enouf | notsc [BUGS=X86-32] Disable Time Stamp Counter |
| 19:26.22 | Assid | atm 0.00 |
| 19:26.27 | xingu | Assid: obviously this means that you only get to do this bit (calibrating the kernel pll) once |
| 19:26.27 | Assid | im guessing will take a few days? |
| 19:26.39 | Toni_ttf | notsc got no further. all the same messages but in a bit different order |
| 19:26.49 | xingu | Assid: exactly so; it'll write something in there eventually, I forget what the interval is (maybe an hour, maybe a few, maybe a day...) |
| 19:26.56 | Toni_ttf | tried the others also, no effect |
| 19:27.06 | Assid | xingu: should i load back nfs and ipv6? |
| 19:27.19 | xingu | Assid: that's your call, it's only time that interests me ;) |
| 19:27.27 | simonrvn | xingu: iirc it depends on the clock stability |
| 19:27.27 | xingu | specifically, well calibrated time. |
| 19:27.40 | enouf | xingu: and Assid this seems old - but there is a 2008 entry http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=7153& - and have you thought to try 'chrony' to correct the drift/slew? |
| 19:27.42 | Assid | thanks xingu, simonrvn, enouf, jelly |
| 19:27.47 | xingu | simonrvn: that'd make sense, once the rate of change gets inside margin - blort it out |
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| 19:28.32 | xingu | enouf: there's nothing wrong with ntpd. :) it really, truly doesn't need reinventing, it does a good job. :) |
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| 19:28.42 | Assid | enouf: no.. but from what i see.. wew should have this fixed |
| 19:28.45 | enouf | xingu: ok :-P |
| 19:29.04 | enouf | Assid: are we there? |
| 19:29.15 | simonrvn | ntpd is one of those things i get installed asap ;) |
| 19:29.17 | xingu | enouf: there's no magic wand that will wave away a wandering tick; you've _got_ to diagnose and deal with the problem in the end |
| 19:29.20 | Assid | you mean fixed? i think so.. |
| 19:29.28 | Assid | enouf: its not shot off as a rocket so far |
| 19:29.48 | enouf | Assid: ahh .. been distracted - i see now |
| 19:29.50 | Assid | filtoffset= -97.94 -100.46 -102.29 -104.94 -105.83 -107.92 -110.13 -112.72 |
| 19:29.53 | xingu | enouf: if ntpd doesn't automatically just get it right then there's a BIG problem that's outside the realm of your timed to deal with - you have wandering phase or runaway error |
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| 19:30.03 | Assid | seems to come more and more accurate with clock.nyc.he.net |
| 19:30.04 | dutchfish | xingu, one q left, what happens with assid's system in its curent state when it hits the new year time correction wall? |
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| 19:30.08 | simonrvn | Assid: imporving afaict |
| 19:30.39 | xingu | dutchfish: the _ntp_ rfc is a little ambiguous (the tai one is pretty tight, but the interpretation of it was um loose) |
| 19:30.41 | Assid | simonrvn: yes.. the skew earlier was too much for ntp from what i can understand |
| 19:30.47 | enouf | xingu: yikes, yowsers and kaboom - keeping a tick steady is the basis of everything, and yet, there's all these issues .. and us apes think we are so great ;-) |
| 19:30.50 | Assid | xingu: so problem was adjtimex? |
| 19:31.10 | xingu | Assid: sort-of; adjtimex can produce the right result _but takes longer to do so_ than ntpd |
| 19:31.21 | simonrvn | i never touch adjtimex by hand ... |
| 19:31.28 | xingu | Assid: you need to do your adjtimex start-poll and end-poll (and error estimation) roughly 6-7d apart |
| 19:31.29 | dutchfish | xingu, thank you |
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| 19:31.48 | xingu | Assid: otherwise you _compound_ rather than reduce small error |
| 19:32.06 | jelly | time keeps on slipping... into the future â¬â«âª |
| 19:32.07 | root_____ | xingu that begs the question, why would a default install of ntpd make one of my boxen loose about 4 hours per day, while the hwc keeps accurate time within .00# seconds/month ? |
| 19:32.08 | Assid | xingu: i need to do that??? or will it do whats needed on its own |
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| 19:32.22 | Assid | jelly: in my case throwingme into it |
| 19:32.25 | xingu | dutchfish: ntpd should start slewing kernel tick 24h before the leap second insertion |
| 19:32.32 | enouf | whoa. .. i see music :-) |
| 19:32.42 | dutchfish | xingu, but will it ? ;) |
| 19:32.46 | stoned | thats not music |
| 19:32.47 | jelly | xingu: this implies he had a broken adjtime setting apriori |
| 19:32.52 | stoned | its random notes |
| 19:32.53 | xingu | root_____: the (cmos) rtc is only read at boot |
| 19:33.09 | root_____ | xing and ? |
| 19:33.21 | xingu | jelly: yep, but getting adjtimex calibration right inside such an interval would be an accident, not science |
| 19:33.29 | enouf | smacks stoned with some notation and tablature |
| 19:33.44 | Assid | xingu: so.. my kvm/and other stuff will go nuts? |
| 19:33.50 | Assid | if i do go ahead with it? |
| 19:34.04 | dutchfish | expects some work in that timeframe |
| 19:34.16 | root_____ | xingu i mean, without ntpd installed the system clock doesn't very from the rtc (cmos) |
| 19:34.27 | xingu | root_____: so the basis of comparison is your cmos rtc verses kernel time; if your box was losing 4h/day ntpd would exit (panic) much as Assid's was just now. |
| 19:34.30 | jelly | xingu: the initial estimate was a 20% error; ticks can only get you +- 10 %, so it's a bit puzzling |
| 19:35.06 | Assid | xingu: so do i still need adjtimex to do that poll thing? |
| 19:35.21 | Assid | or can i leave it be.. and pray for the time gods to do their jobs? |
| 19:35.23 | xingu | Assid: no; ntpd does exactly the same thing as it works. :) |
| 19:35.28 | enouf | uh oh - i recall toying with adjtimex at one time ;-) ii adjtimex 1.21.1-2 Utility to display or set the kernel time variables |
| 19:35.36 | root_____ | xingu ok, that would explain why ntpd wasn't keeping the clock in sync but why was ntpd causing the "drift" ? |
| 19:36.02 | Toni_ttf | enouf, is there a way to see if it's the acpi doing something retarded |
| 19:36.10 | simonrvn | iirc adjtimex was removed from the init scripts, in the woody days... lemme check |
| 19:36.26 | dutchfish | simonrvn, it still is |
| 19:36.28 | enouf | Toni_ttf: i'd say it most certainly is - if it's not purely speedstep related |
| 19:36.36 | xingu | Assid, jelly: adjtimex slews the same pll constants that ntpd does - but - it can serve into them some amazingly obscene numbers and generally _does_ (ie, adding 4s in 64s...) |
| 19:36.48 | simonrvn | grep -rn adjtimex /etc/init.d \n... exit 1 |
| 19:36.53 | simonrvn | etch box |
| 19:36.59 | Assid | hrmm |
| 19:37.03 | Assid | so adjtimex = bad |
| 19:37.05 | enouf | Toni_ttf: is there a way you can get a few screens of shots? use shift+pageup to scroll back in the buffer |
| 19:37.09 | jelly | now that we got there, please give me an ntpd that knows about suspend/resume and that my hwclock has different drift while asleep and while the machine is on. |
| 19:37.15 | xingu | root_____: unknowable; it's more probably tbh that there's some other variable at play - like adjtimex having previously stuffed poor values into the kernel |
| 19:37.23 | abrotman | jelly: get a real machine |
| 19:37.30 | jelly | abrotman: it's a stinkpad! |
| 19:37.35 | Assid | wow. this channel just went timecrazy |
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| 19:37.49 | dutchfish | only 1 second upcoming |
| 19:37.51 | Assid | btw.. once again.. thanks !!!!! |
| 19:37.53 | xingu | jelly: the hw clock as I'm saying to root shouldn't enter the picture - read once to seed _kernel_ timer tick, at boot. |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | jelly: mine doesn't have thatproblem .. oh wait .. i don't use suspend |
| 19:37.58 | Toni_ttf | enouf, yea. anything special you're interested in? |
| 19:38.15 | xingu | jelly: the hack for this is to just kick ntpd (ie, restart as -g) during resume. |
| 19:38.43 | jelly | installed chrony ... because it had a nicer name |
| 19:38.53 | root_____ | xingu ok. answer accepted and understood. thanks |
| 19:39.00 | simonrvn | jelly: check /etc/default/ntp - i think it has that commented out |
| 19:39.08 | dutchfish | xingu, should this be done from hal ? |
| 19:39.43 | xingu | Assid: adjtimex isn't bad, but there's a lot of bad science published up on the net about it; it's easier to tell people to purge it than to fix the problem - because generally people look at you a bit weird when you get to the "ok that's great, come back in 7d and we'll do the next bit" part of the conversation. |
| 19:40.00 | simonrvn | Assid: it's amazing what sort of nasty stuff can happen if your network is out of sync time-wise. |
| 19:40.33 | dutchfish | simonrvn, you bet, authentication ssl/vpn to name a few |
| 19:40.33 | Assid | xingu: okay.. so if i dont use it.. i dont need to do that 7daays later bit ? |
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| 19:40.41 | xingu | Assid: add to that the idea that 1/ ntpd does _exactly the same calibration anyway_ and 2/ you really do want to continuously calibrate against a master phase anyway and the end result is "purge adjtimex frag the state file reboot and install ntpd" |
| 19:40.42 | karsten | jelly: Do I have a deal for you.... |
| 19:40.49 | xingu | Assid: exactly so |
| 19:40.51 | karsten | starts renaming jelly's packages... |
| 19:41.03 | simonrvn | dutchfish: ldap; kerberos; what you mentioned; a lot of stuff |
| 19:41.10 | xingu | Assid: but I won't have it that adjtimex is evil/bad - because it's not; it's all in how it's _used_ |
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| 19:41.38 | mrwill | anybody want to help install debian-mipsel on a usb disk? |
| 19:41.39 | Assid | so its good as long as you "maintain it " whereas ntp does it all for you |
| 19:41.41 | simonrvn | like any tool |
| 19:41.42 | Assid | fair enough.. so backl to my guests.. openvz and stuff .. if speedstep not fixed.. then what? |
| 19:41.50 | xingu | then you're sporked |
| 19:41.51 | xingu | sorry. |
| 19:41.51 | jelly | just found a machine that was 1 hour 50 minutes off the wallclock |
| 19:42.02 | mrwill | current plan is to connect disk to asus wl500gp running dd-wrt and chroot into debian |
| 19:42.41 | KiDFlaSh | can i chdisk windows from here? |
| 19:42.43 | Assid | xingu: aaargh |
| 19:42.50 | bbelt16ag | ok I fixed it yay ya |
| 19:42.54 | castingcrowns | When making a ext3 FS, do I need to specify a blocksize, or should the default one be sufficiant? Would overiding it with a non default size be more benificial? |
| 19:42.57 | bbelt16ag | when in doubt REDO |
| 19:43.04 | bbelt16ag | delete partition and start over. |
| 19:43.12 | bbelt16ag | I only lost my backups so that's cool |
| 19:43.14 | jelly | xingu: wait... p-states are frequencies? |
| 19:43.21 | bbelt16ag | alas I don't got the docs for my first project |
| 19:43.23 | xingu | jelly: and the rest |
| 19:43.26 | dutchfish | xingu, Thank you very much for helping us out |
| 19:43.29 | Assid | xingu: no way to override it ? |
| 19:43.58 | jelly | xingu: then one can fix them using a cpufreq driver and a performance (or other fixed) governor |
| 19:44.04 | simonrvn | !xingu++ |
| 19:44.15 | abrotman | castingcrowns: that will depend on what you plan to store on it |
| 19:44.19 | xingu | Assid: nope; the problem is that as your cpu downsteps (look in powertop) from say 2GHz to 1GHz - the guest kernel 1/ has no way of knowing that this has happened 2/ has no way of knowing anything other than its "kernel" timer tick is now unexpectedly late |
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| 19:44.42 | castingcrowns | abrotman: plan to store as in size of files, or type of files? |
| 19:44.54 | xingu | jelly: mmm if you can force a governor to keep it nailed in a _single_ p-state, maybe. |
| 19:45.07 | xingu | jelly: see above comment to assid for the whole problem-space. |
| 19:45.15 | root_____ | castingcrowns size and quantity type doesn't matter |
| 19:45.19 | xingu | jelly: also the other cute thing is what the bios _itself_ is up to in smm |
| 19:45.19 | jelly | xingu: you can nail the frequency. |
| 19:45.20 | abrotman | castingcrowns: size/quantity |
| 19:45.31 | xingu | jelly: this last (bios smm quirks) is unpredictable |
| 19:45.33 | Assid | xingu: okay in which case .. this shouldnt affect openvz as they dont have their own kernel. its not really virtualization but more like a chrooted environment |
| 19:45.43 | jelly | xingu: and uncontrollable |
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| 19:45.56 | abrotman | castingcrowns: if you're going to store 20GB files on a 1TB drive, anything should work i suppose .. |
| 19:46.06 | xingu | Assid: if it's using the host's timer tick then you're right; VM where the guest is running its own kernel image is the problem area |
| 19:46.08 | castingcrowns | abrotman: Well I will have a few large ones, 4gig's about in size, but most will be just documents, and config files and what not. small in size. Using it for a backup of my home dir. |
| 19:46.12 | jelly | Assid: kvm guests might not like it |
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| 19:46.25 | mrwill | how do I launch the installer from the command line if I can't boot off the install disk? |
| 19:46.35 | Assid | jelly: yeah.. so id imaginethere goes my kvm idea |
| 19:46.49 | simonrvn | mrwill: looked at debootstrap yet? |
| 19:46.50 | abrotman | castingcrowns: if you don't know any better .. take the default |
| 19:46.51 | xingu | Assid: anyway, the next bit is easy-ish. |
| 19:47.03 | Assid | theres a next bit?? |
| 19:47.22 | mrwill | simonrvn: ah yes, that's what it was called, thank you |
| 19:47.26 | xingu | Assid: for something like what openvz is being described as - just look and see if the slew in the guest is acceptable (<1s in first day) |
| 19:47.31 | castingcrowns | abrotman: What about for many many pictures that are around 4-5megs each. would blocksize matter for these? |
| 19:47.37 | root_____ | are ps2 game disks partitioned or something ? it looks like there is an iso9660 fs on the disk plus a large data area of some kind ??? |
| 19:47.52 | meyou | UFS |
| 19:47.54 | meyou | iirc |
| 19:47.56 | xingu | Assid: for something like vmware, kvm, whatever - run ntpd in the guest; and sync to the host; and check filtoffset again |
| 19:48.13 | abrotman | castingcrowns: depends on the size of the drive |
| 19:48.13 | root_____ | meyou it reports to be iso9660 tho |
| 19:48.16 | simonrvn | mrwill: :) |
| 19:48.22 | RoenieSrvr | i'm sure i'm not the only one to experience this: creative audigy card (audigy 1 in my case) on debian lenny appears to work out of the box, except for the fact that line in doesn't work |
| 19:48.33 | RoenieSrvr | is there a simple fix or should i go driver hunting |
| 19:48.37 | xingu | Assid: if the guest's offset is _lumpy_ (random spikes to +/-10s or whatever) then you're seeing the problem. |
| 19:48.44 | abrotman | castingcrowns: mkfs.ext3 tries to outsmart you and does the blocksize/number of inodes based on the size of the partition |
| 19:48.44 | RoenieSrvr | +? |
| 19:48.45 | castingcrowns | abrotman: hmmm, do you know of a link that can explain a bit of this to me? |
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| 19:48.54 | Assid | hrmm |
| 19:48.56 | xingu | Assid: if you don't - count yourself lucky. :) |
| 19:49.13 | cahoot | RoenieSrvr: already exhausted alsamixers options? |
| 19:49.19 | RoenieSrvr | yup |
| 19:49.57 | root_____ | abrotman size of partition or size of fliesystem ? |
| 19:49.57 | abrotman | castingcrowns: man mkfs.ext3 .. see -T |
| 19:49.57 | zaphands | Hello everyone! Is there a way to run make-kpkg a second time after a small change in the source or .config without running make-kpkg clean first? |
| 19:49.57 | Assid | ?? noipv6 |
| 19:49.57 | Assid | err whas the command again for the bot? |
| 19:50.03 | xingu | Assid: if openvz is what I suspect you're saying it is (a multiple namespaces approach, shared kernel image) then each guest should be using the host's actual timekeeping - so this is as far as you'd need to go in worrying |
| 19:50.10 | abrotman | root_____: i'd hope they'd be the same .. but yes, file system |
| 19:50.14 | cahoot | RoenieSrvr: you don't mean mic? |
| 19:50.23 | xingu | aaanyway. |
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| 19:50.28 | RoenieSrvr | nope |
| 19:50.32 | Assid | xingu: yeah.. but i plan to run both openvz and kvm :| |
| 19:50.34 | root_____ | abrotman i only asked because a partition is not required to use the app |
| 19:50.35 | xingu | time to err stop talking about time. |
| 19:50.37 | simonrvn | line in |
| 19:51.07 | simonrvn | you can stick a mic in there, but not necessarily (IIRC, been a while) |
| 19:51.08 | Assid | hehe |
| 19:51.09 | Assid | sounds funny |
| 19:51.12 | Assid | okay |
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| 19:51.22 | RoenieSrvr | my tv card runs a jack plug cable on the outside, from its output to the line in on the audigy |
| 19:51.26 | Assid | trying to get both ipv6 and nfs back.. and hopefully keep time in time |
| 19:51.43 | Assid | crap.. i need to decide if im going for tomorrows club party |
| 19:51.49 | cahoot | RoenieSrvr: thing is I happen to have an audigy 1 on lenny - w/o any problems at all |
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| 19:52.01 | RoenieSrvr | you probably don't use the line in |
| 19:52.05 | simonrvn | i have this cmedia thingy, low end, fancy name, Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 19:52.07 | lxsameer | hi , i have a dialup connection . i use that in a windows system and a linux system but the dialup speed on linux system is very very low , where is the problem |
| 19:52.07 | xingu | dutchfish: I don't think I quite finished on the leapsecond - as I was thinking and maybe saying, where the kernel's clock is considered synchronised it should start being slewed to correct for 1s "error" over the whole 24h prior to the insertion event |
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| 19:52.10 | abrotman | root_____: yes, i realize that |
| 19:52.13 | root_____ | simonrvn most line in jacks are dual channel while mic jacks are mono no ? |
| 19:52.20 | RoenieSrvr | or do you, cahoot? |
| 19:52.26 | simonrvn | (at least i thiink it's low end, heh) |
| 19:52.28 | cahoot | RoenieSrvr: oh - I do - from my amp |
| 19:52.32 | RoenieSrvr | btw i know it works on windows |
| 19:52.34 | simonrvn | root_____: some |
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| 19:52.42 | xingu | dutchfish: some kernels _cannot_ slew and will timestep; some kernels will not be considered synchronised; and lastly (and this is the fun bit)... |
| 19:52.42 | RoenieSrvr | so it's not a hardware issue |
| 19:53.04 | simonrvn | RoenieSrvr: pro'ly choice of driver/module |
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| 19:53.20 | root_____ | starts using a magnifying glass on his audio jacks looking for exceptions |
| 19:53.21 | dutchfish | xingu, i was thinking about the same, also latest xen dont need any syncing in the VMs because it is handled fomr dom0 to domu's kernel by xen-tools |
| 19:53.31 | RoenieSrvr | cahoot apparently didn't change that from the default, simonrvn |
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| 19:53.39 | RoenieSrvr | i better triple check my config |
| 19:53.41 | xingu | dutchfish: ... it's ambiguous as to when you start transmitting the leap flag once you know the event is due; one of my references has decoded the event from gps and known about it for months - and will meticulously set the leap flag at 00:00:00 on the 31st... :) |
| 19:53.45 | dutchfish | xingu, this could be done also by kvm, but i am not sure abou tthat |
| 19:53.48 | cahoot | simonrvn: anything to choose from besides snd-emu10k1? |
| 19:54.05 | simonrvn | i dunno, i do't have one of those =) |
| 19:54.15 | xingu | dutchfish: if it's handled in userland it's handled wrong - it needs a virtual acpi pm-timer |
| 19:54.20 | RoenieSrvr | yea thats what mines got 2 |
| 19:54.25 | dutchfish | xingu, thats not hard to srcipt of also, but ... it needs intervention |
| 19:54.38 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 19:54.41 | xingu | dutchfish: the point being the missing abstraction is the guest needs to be able to account for host-verses-guest time slippage. |
| 19:54.44 | dutchfish | xingu, exactly |
| 19:54.57 | simonrvn | RoenieSrvr, cahoot: kernel versions? |
| 19:55.15 | simonrvn | check modinfo snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:55.24 | RoenieSrvr | bbl, sorry |
| 19:55.25 | cahoot | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 19:55.30 | RoenieSrvr | i have to go |
| 19:55.42 | dutchfish | xingu, also there is the risk of DOS when syncing is interfeared at the particular time |
| 19:56.01 | xingu | dutchfish: needless to say, _I'm_ too snobbish to rely on a pooled stratum getting leap-second handling right given the fiasco that happened last time around |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | xingu: you will adjust manually? |
| 19:56.27 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, you hit the nail, i was thinking about my own timesource again |
| 19:57.15 | xingu | abrotman: gps timesource where it matters and hitting stratum 1 where it doesn't |
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| 19:57.59 | abrotman | xingu: it's 1 second |
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| 19:58.28 | xingu | abrotman: it's the rippling insertion/deletion flip-flopping for the following day or so after that doesn't amuse. |
| 19:59.00 | dutchfish | mumbles about tiples in time |
| 19:59.07 | abrotman | xingu: you have applicatoins that need per second quality ? |
| 19:59.25 | xingu | abrotman: nothing likes time wobbling forward and backward like that - and yes I do. :) |
| 19:59.40 | abrotman | xingu: you do not! |
| 19:59.57 | xingu | abrotman: snmp polling at 1s granularity gets a _bit_ upset when you go +1s -1s +1s -1s over the space of a minute :) |
| 20:00.12 | abrotman | but it won't die! |
| 20:00.22 | xingu | no, but it'll produce corrupt billing data |
| 20:00.24 | simonrvn | mrtg will ;p |
| 20:00.38 | xingu | prints off abrotman a million £ service charge |
| 20:00.48 | abrotman | xingu: run your own ntpd and have them all sync off that ? |
| 20:00.54 | xingu | bingo |
| 20:01.04 | abrotman | so what's the problem ? |
| 20:01.07 | dutchfish | can not subtract from future error ... lol |
| 20:01.07 | xingu | that's the "where it matters" scenario |
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| 20:01.36 | root_____ | ummm does debian etch not have eawpatches ? |
| 20:01.43 | root_____ | E: Couldn't find package eawpatches |
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| 20:01.50 | simonrvn | have one local run off gps, the rest client off that one. |
| 20:01.59 | abrotman | xingu: if you run your own ntpd .. i don't see a problem at all |
| 20:02.00 | root_____ | or is it my sources.list ? |
| 20:02.03 | simonrvn | easy peasy ;) |
| 20:02.13 | xingu | one gps is no use; remember my "man with two watches" homily? :) |
| 20:02.34 | dutchfish | pll |
| 20:02.47 | xingu | abrotman: there's only a problem if you trust untrustable sources; I think we're broadly saying the same thing - neither of us would, if it mattered. |
| 20:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could of course also poll less often... |
| 20:03.12 | abrotman | xingu: IIRC ntpd doesn't query all day long |
| 20:03.14 | xingu | abrotman: but a note of caution, back in '05 this thing _did_ cause those kind of rippling fails for about 36h after the event. |
| 20:03.17 | simonrvn | for simple shit it's ok. for stuff like your setup there i'd have 3 ;p |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | xingu: or rather .. not anymore |
| 20:03.41 | enouf | Assid: remove the install ipv6 /bin/true from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? /local? do /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 20:03.47 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, i remember it to well |
| 20:03.55 | Assid | enouf: yeah did that |
| 20:03.57 | abrotman | thought this time thing was over |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | oh .. not 2012 yet! |
| 20:04.15 | enouf | i'm only 10 minutes behind everyone |
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| 20:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... 10 minutes and xingu worries about split-seconds |
| 20:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | shakes head |
| 20:04.49 | stoned | and when is ipv6 going to go mainstream? |
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| 20:04.53 | simonrvn | gets his straight razor |
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| 20:05.07 | stoned | *grumble* |
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| 20:05.15 | dutchfish | stoned, about < 2% so far, just above noice lvl ;) atm |
| 20:05.15 | xingu | simonrvn: 3 is not a magic number when it comes to ntp |
| 20:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you're also in the self-throat-cutting business now? |
| 20:05.29 | xingu | simonrvn: you need a minimum of three good watches to tell you that the fourth is crazy |
| 20:05.35 | simonrvn | xingu: not using as such |
| 20:05.41 | renton_ | hello.. a stupid question.. is there anything like "cubase" on linux/debian ? |
| 20:05.42 | xingu | simonrvn: model the tiebreaking scenario |
| 20:05.43 | renton_ | thanks |
| 20:05.49 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: "splitting hairs" ;) |
| 20:05.52 | stoned | renton_, uhm.. I think I know what you mean |
| 20:06.12 | xingu | simonrvn: you also need to make a wild consumption that the majority of watches aren't misconfigured and conspiring against you |
| 20:06.15 | stoned | renton_, I use hydrogen, audacity, rosegarden, and you know man there are few more I gotta look up |
| 20:06.16 | root_____ | well i have installed a eawpatches from some place i can't remember where i downloaded it from years ago... :S |
| 20:06.19 | xingu | and this is precisely what happened in '05 |
| 20:06.23 | stoned | renton_, cubase is exactly what agian, a beat sequences? |
| 20:06.27 | stoned | sequencer? |
| 20:06.29 | dutchfish | renton_, you mean midi editor and music notation and so? if so ... rosegarden |
| 20:06.30 | xingu | s/consumption/assumption |
| 20:06.33 | root_____ | and i have midi emulation now. |
| 20:06.40 | simonrvn | xingu: i know. from what i heard, it was horrific. |
| 20:06.41 | stoned | dutchfish, no its more specific |
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| 20:06.54 | xingu | simonrvn: it was bad and in all likelyhood it's going to happen again. :) |
| 20:07.04 | xingu | hopes not but doesn't care much |
| 20:07.17 | renton_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steinberg_Cubase Cubase is a series of MIDI, music sequencer and digital audio editing computer applications (commonly known as a DAW - Digital Audio Workstation) |
| 20:07.18 | root_____ | could have sworn that it was a debian repo he got the package from... |
| 20:07.25 | dutchfish | xingu, stupid q, what about a reboot just before the time shift? |
| 20:07.34 | simonrvn | if it does, i'll be hosting my won for a while ;). |
| 20:07.34 | stoned | renton_, yeh, you might as well just go with ubuntu studio |
| 20:07.37 | simonrvn | own |
| 20:07.47 | stoned | renton_, you'll have some work to do to get yourself setup on debian |
| 20:07.52 | xingu | dutchfish: how do you know which of your peers isn't crazy on the way back up? |
| 20:07.57 | stoned | renton_, if you don't mind it, there are a few things you can do on debian |
| 20:08.22 | stoned | renton_, come to #music |
| 20:08.22 | dutchfish | xingu, that i can check on forhand, i have kvm (remote ove rip) |
| 20:08.23 | xingu | dutchfish: there's one robust answer - become your own stratum 1 - and one less robust answer - peer with a known robust stratum 1. |
| 20:08.33 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 20:08.52 | renton_ | i look about what's included in ubuntu studio.. :) i hope it will be just some apt-get installing on debian :D |
| 20:08.52 | dutchfish | xingu, the last is difficult |
| 20:09.24 | simonrvn | renton_: yeh, but different patches possibly, and such, but generally the same. |
| 20:09.25 | stoned | renton_, its also about setting up everything, ubuntu studio really does make it easy.. look at me I hate ubuntu but man, I need to shut up |
| 20:09.34 | xingu | dutchfish: beyond that, the problem is network state; no matter what you do to control things, it can be undone by enough barmy clocks to trigger falstick to eliminate the good ones. |
| 20:09.52 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 20:10.10 | xingu | dutchfish: you could tweak ntpd to panic if the sync peer time was >500ms ... |
| 20:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, if you're so worried you should get a radio clock for one machine |
| 20:10.32 | dutchfish | xingu, at down -> restart ? |
| 20:10.48 | stoned | renton_, ok, install audacity for multracking, rosegarden and hydrogen for some beat making, then there is also this uhm... fruityloops clone in oss |
| 20:11.06 | stoned | !lmms |
| 20:11.10 | stoned | balls. |
| 20:11.12 | renton_ | thank you |
| 20:11.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | lmms balls? |
| 20:11.43 | Assid | ipv6 on openvz .. PAINFUL |
| 20:11.49 | stoned | dpkg lmms is Linux Multimedia Studio & Music creation application @ http://lmms.sourceforce.net/ |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 20:11.54 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: falsetick will declare your one good clock crazy if a majority of peers vote it off the island; and if you slave your entire stratum to a single radio clock and it loses synch you're dead in the water - you'll flywheel from the kernel tick |
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| 20:12.38 | Toni_ttf | enouf, found this which would indicate CPU problem: http://forum.novatech.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26355 |
| 20:12.38 | stoned | !tell renton_ -about lmms |
| 20:12.39 | Assid | needs to cool down.. so will just chill |
| 20:12.39 | stoned | renton_, you'd also have to setup jackd and various other things like VST processors and plugins |
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| 20:12.39 | xingu | dutchfish: that's one approach; it's cheap and easy to get enough gps recievers to go around, all you need is 8 or so. |
| 20:12.40 | xingu | grins |
| 20:12.41 | Assid | thanks guys.. once again |
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| 20:13.02 | stoned | renton_, then you'd have to link them in certain orders, just like you would in an actual hardware studio |
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| 20:13.19 | stoned | renton_, its a bit involved, I still suggest ubuntu studio. |
| 20:13.21 | dutchfish | xingu, well, i better buy i prof timesource then, wrote it on my list for next year |
| 20:13.24 | stoned | if not tht, then JAD |
| 20:13.28 | renton_ | stoned: thanks.. i'm not expert i'll just try :) |
| 20:13.37 | simonrvn | xingu: i have 3 GPS. peers, heh |
| 20:13.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, so what's the chance of that... what you want is absolute security against flooding, incoming meteorites and the apocalypse happening, is that what you're saying? |
| 20:13.46 | enouf | renton_: might look at ardour? |
| 20:13.47 | xingu | dutchfish: experience says that when time sources go crazy they do it on an entire-vendor-and-licensees basis; so 4 sources x 2 vendors/ implementations. |
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| 20:13.50 | simonrvn | yes i have their permission :) |
| 20:14.07 | stoned | Musix GNU+Linux |
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| 20:14.15 | stoned | is another distro I have exp with, very good stuff |
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| 20:14.26 | Assid | simonrvn: i think im within 2 msec of a gps strat1 |
| 20:14.31 | stoned | however, I personally chose to setup a debian unstable music studio for myself |
| 20:14.39 | Assid | simonrvn: you wanna query me and check |
| 20:14.39 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: um - yes; and never trust any single military's time (phase or stamp) , and that about covers it. |
| 20:14.48 | simonrvn | xingu: oh, hold on, wasn't fuck-up in '05 that having to do with a bad patched version of ntpd, in some consumer grade routers? |
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| 20:15.20 | KiDFlaSh | ho can i remove full dir? |
| 20:15.23 | enouf | http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html |
| 20:15.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, so it doesn't matter if the earth turns into a lava pit, as long as time syncronization still works, you're still alwight? |
| 20:15.31 | dutchfish | xingu, i can can check the timesource on the bench before i expose my servers to it, you bet, or i bild one myself from scratch i did already something simular for radiocontrol phase locked loop in 6 way setup |
| 20:15.32 | xingu | simonrvn: there aren't any routers I know of that are worth a damn in a timekeeping sense consumer or no; and the problem was as I described it - part of the pool was a second ahead of another part. |
| 20:15.48 | enouf | renton_: Multitrack audio processor Cubase 1) Ecasound. 2) Ardour |
| 20:15.51 | simonrvn | xingu: ok, another incident then |
| 20:15.51 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
| 20:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | KiDFlaSh, rm -rf dir/ # read "man rm" |
| 20:16.06 | enouf | http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html |
| 20:16.10 | Assid | hrmm i think my dd-wrt router should have a ntp server |
| 20:16.15 | simonrvn | IIRC it was linksys routers that had a fuck up, and had to be patched |
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| 20:16.30 | simonrvn | ro rmdir if it's empty |
| 20:16.33 | simonrvn | or* |
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| 20:16.57 | xingu | simonrvn: the problem is _state_; once you get enough crazy out there, people go mad because they're locking phase and timestamp with crazy and propagate it - just like a giant game of go |
| 20:17.30 | dutchfish | timecast storm hah |
| 20:17.36 | xingu | simonrvn: and because you can't predict config and you can't establish running state you can't guess exactly when any given trustworthy peer will suddenly go mad |
| 20:17.40 | renton_ | enouf: thanks |
| 20:17.46 | simonrvn | ooh, locking phase. the dreaded phase lock |
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| 20:18.08 | xingu | simonrvn: especially given the amount of cargo-cultisim there is out there on timekeeping and ntp... :) |
| 20:18.09 | Toni_ttf | which kernel does sarge use? 2.4* or 2.6* |
| 20:18.25 | dutchfish | simonrvn, ppl in a 6 chain is quiet stable |
| 20:18.32 | dutchfish | s/ppl/pll |
| 20:18.34 | simonrvn | xingu: i know. it's hard to find good reliable info :(. |
| 20:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sarge! |
| 20:18.38 | xingu | personally I'm surprised the sun knows what time to come up in the morning |
| 20:18.50 | dutchfish | lol |
| 20:18.53 | simonrvn | xingu: the sun is not human ;) |
| 20:19.25 | Assid | is it me .. or i cant get ntpd to stay up |
| 20:19.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever kernel you install on it... but usually 2.4 iirc (at least the last sarge system I see running had 2.4) |
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| 20:19.47 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:19.49 | simonrvn | notice, even our clocks today haven't changed much. they sync off vibating atoms instead of stars, the moon, and the sun. |
| 20:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.4.20 to be precise... dunno how typical that is, though |
| 20:20.03 | xingu | simonrvn: the ntp router problem was some idiot manufacturer pointed a few million shipped images at the same "public" timesource |
| 20:20.08 | Toni_ttf | rgr. I reckon I'll try to install it and see whether the laptop will boot |
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| 20:20.29 | simonrvn | always gets philosophical talking about time |
| 20:20.34 | xingu | Assid: if it won't stay up it's slewing outside tolerence; filtoffset after ten minutes or so should tell us something |
| 20:20.39 | simonrvn | xingu: ah yes, that's it. |
| 20:20.44 | eptalon | If I do rsync with one arg on a Fat32 system, the system hiccups at accented characters? |
| 20:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, this may be news to you... but it's not "the sun coming up", it's really the planet rotating... |
| 20:21.26 | dutchfish | rofl |
| 20:21.29 | Assid | xingu: nah.. im referring to ntp on my dd-wrt router |
| 20:21.36 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: heheh |
| 20:21.38 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: depends on your perspective; for us denizens of the sun, it's the earth coming up. |
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| 20:22.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, and as such, IT DOESN'T KNOW :) |
| 20:22.01 | dutchfish | feeling relative coming down on me |
| 20:22.14 | xingu | Assid: oh, you're on your own there; but probably the wrt's timesource is too crazy to phase lock. |
| 20:22.21 | Assid | yeah |
| 20:22.29 | simonrvn | it just is, and does. it knows because it does it. |
| 20:22.44 | legis_ | what was the name of the package to install to be able to run flash 10? |
| 20:22.51 | enouf | Toni_ttf: i went through half that - i see nothing relevant yet |
| 20:23.11 | atrapado | legis_, flashplayer-nonfree ? |
| 20:23.13 | enouf | not even anything cpu related - nor even close to your error |
| 20:23.18 | xingu | Assid: (x)ntpd can't tolerate more than +/-500ppm worth of phase error; and this is probably a good thing |
| 20:23.31 | Toni_ttf | the nova guys said that when they switched the cpu into a different version ubuntu didn't freeze |
| 20:23.41 | legis_ | atrapado: yeah but theres some other package to get flash 10 working. |
| 20:23.58 | atrapado | gnash ? |
| 20:24.09 | legis_ | heh |
| 20:24.10 | atrapado | flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia ? |
| 20:24.18 | dutchfish | !flash64beta |
| 20:24.18 | dpkg | flash64beta is probably To use the beta flash non-free player without running into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it. |
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| 20:25.06 | simonrvn | !flash64beta =~ s,To,<reply>To, |
| 20:25.07 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
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| 20:26.17 | Assid | xingu: nah.. the time on that is right.. else my ipv6 tunnel wouldnt stay up |
| 20:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | xingu, are you saying the sun rotates? |
| 20:26.46 | xingu | CutMeOwnThroat: all particles rotate ;) |
| 20:26.49 | simonrvn | the sun does rotate |
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| 20:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | most probably :) |
| 20:27.05 | simonrvn | 23 d cycle iirc |
| 20:27.07 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, do you rotate? |
| 20:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, 25 |
| 20:27.32 | simonrvn | ty |
| 20:27.37 | legis_ | ah found it, flash 10 needs libcurl3 |
| 20:27.40 | xingu | leaps behind dutchfish in a fit of uncertainty |
| 20:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, google :) |
| 20:27.56 | simonrvn | wikipedia ;) |
| 20:28.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, but one can't say anyways, because different parts rotate differently |
| 20:28.42 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 20:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, ever so often |
| 20:28.56 | enouf | Toni_ttf: i still don't see any relevance |
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| 20:29.03 | Toni_ttf | ok |
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| 20:29.17 | enouf | Toni_ttf: do you have that make/model? your errors are not even related |
| 20:29.34 | xingu | Assid: from memory the sixxs tunnelbroker has fairly broad tolerances - so if you're running something like ntpd from chron as a oneshot set-and-quit then you'll get away with it |
| 20:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, har har, 25/day at the equator, 36/day at the pole... you can definitely claim you were right ;) |
| 20:29.42 | Toni_ttf | yea I've got the u50si1 |
| 20:29.51 | enouf | the only thing that even eeks closely is the Thermal module |
| 20:29.59 | enouf | well, how would i know that? |
| 20:30.03 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, well, if gravity is a timeriple i am not so sure myself, might be that what appears to be rotating will be an elipse track after all |
| 20:30.15 | xingu | Assid: ntpd itself will panic and exit as soon as there's a major problem (overly large time step required after initial sync, overly large ppm error) |
| 20:30.50 | enouf | stop taliking terms of germs! or radioactive doses! |
| 20:31.01 | enouf | :-P (ppm reference) |
| 20:31.01 | RoM | anyone here got rtl8187b wireless chipset? |
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| 20:31.44 | enouf | temporarily takes away xingu 's geiger counter :-P |
| 20:31.46 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, sorry |
| 20:32.04 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm joking - stop that ;-_) |
| 20:32.22 | RoM | so, whats the coolest DE? |
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| 20:32.40 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the sun actually rotatas in sections |
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| 20:32.54 | enouf | oh, you googled - good for you |
| 20:33.00 | RoM | or WM |
| 20:33.37 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the magnetic fields get all twisted up .. and finally they snap which causes sunspots and solar flares |
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| 20:33.59 | enouf | .. anyway.. |
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| 20:35.27 | simonrvn | RoM: the one you like |
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| 20:35.44 | simonrvn | i.e., there's no such thing |
| 20:35.55 | enouf | renton_: somethings to be aware of, a RT kernel, using 300MHz if toying with NTSC, and preemption .. should you start to delve deeper into all this on linux - as mentioned, i think there are already distros that might cater to most of that .. IOW, comes already tweaked for such things |
| 20:36.24 | stoned | enouf, go in frostedweb |
| 20:36.42 | stoned | enouf, there are |
| 20:36.48 | stoned | enouf, I told him of a few |
| 20:36.54 | stoned | JAD is extremely well put together |
| 20:37.05 | stoned | LMMS is nice as well as Ubuntu Studio and sutido64 |
| 20:37.26 | enouf | what's that something64 one? |
| 20:37.27 | simonrvn | i tried lmms earlier, seems nice |
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| 20:37.43 | enouf | what about linuxmint? maybe even dyne::bolic ? |
| 20:38.08 | RoM | sorry but to me KDE feels like win vista, big and slow |
| 20:38.16 | enouf | or is it just one : |
| 20:38.18 | RoM | kde4 that is |
| 20:38.41 | simonrvn | RoM: there i agree with you |
| 20:38.46 | stoned | I agree also |
| 20:38.50 | stoned | but.. but.. |
| 20:39.10 | stoned | KDE3.5.9 is the pinnacal of desktop technology in this day and age. |
| 20:39.15 | enouf | bloat bloat bloat your bloat .... gently down bloat stream ... |
| 20:39.20 | stoned | and my opinion is right and your opinion is wrong. shaddup. |
| 20:39.30 | simonrvn | !lart stoned |
| 20:39.31 | dpkg | judo chops stoned |
| 20:39.31 | Mardeni | =) |
| 20:39.53 | enouf | merrily merrily merrily merrily ... life is all bloated dreams |
| 20:39.54 | stoned | sorry, 3.5.10 |
| 20:40.14 | simonrvn | next month it'll be 3.5.11, right? :P |
| 20:40.22 | stoned | even better! |
| 20:40.37 | enouf | simonrvn: + 1 second :-P |
| 20:40.56 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:40.58 | RoM | pinnacal? |
| 20:41.16 | simonrvn | i think he meant pinnacle |
| 20:41.17 | stoned | pinnacle |
| 20:41.21 | stoned | seriously man |
| 20:41.22 | stoned | c'mon its irc |
| 20:41.38 | stoned | im not in english class ffs. |
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| 20:41.42 | simonrvn | stoned: we expect nothing but perfection. |
| 20:41.52 | stoned | yeh, from a stoner? |
| 20:41.55 | stoned | word. |
| 20:42.03 | simonrvn | werd |
| 20:42.03 | RoM | I didnt unerstand, easy as that |
| 20:42.14 | stoned | RoM, its alright. |
| 20:42.16 | simonrvn | !dict pinnacle |
| 20:42.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'pinnacle' (1 of 10): a little wing, (Matt. 4:5; Luke 4:9). On the southern side of the temple court was a range of porches or cloisters forming three arcades. At the south-eastern corner the roof of this cloister was some 300 feet above the Kidron valley. The pinnacle, some parapet or wing-like projection, was above this roof, and hence at a great height, probably 350 feet or more above the valley.. |
| 20:42.39 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:42.42 | stoned | lol |
| 20:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I know ppm more as an nmr scale, though :) and you're still 10 minutes back :) |
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| 20:43.11 | simonrvn | he should fix his clock :P |
| 20:43.16 | Toni_ttf | enouf, tried sarge. gives "Aieee!!! Remote IRR still set after unlock!" when it's enabling IO-APIC |
| 20:43.20 | stoned | dpkg pinnacle is the highest level or degree attainable in a certain area |
| 20:43.20 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 20:44.14 | RoM | stoned: how would it work on p3 800mhz, got gnome atm |
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| 20:44.31 | stoned | it will not work well |
| 20:44.32 | LamerC | Hey all. I'm working on a program and making it a debian package using debhelper programs. In my 'debian/control', I specify the package version number 'Version: 1.2.2', but when dh_gencontrol is called I get a warning 'C1 Version' field not reckognized |
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| 20:44.42 | stoned | RoM, you need kde3 |
| 20:44.58 | stoned | RoM, with kde you can run it on 500mhz with 128mb ram |
| 20:45.15 | stoned | well, it can crawl on it, I ran kde on 866mhz with 256mb ram, it was beautiful |
| 20:45.26 | RoM | stoned: yeah thats what I was asking, how would kde3.5.10 run on it |
| 20:45.35 | stoned | now I have a 3500mhz c2d with many gibs of rams |
| 20:45.36 | nsadmin | but you don't need a desktop env... a wm will do |
| 20:45.39 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: sarge used 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 20:45.49 | stoned | nsadmin, you don't need a house when a shack will do. |
| 20:45.58 | stoned | in fact, you don't need a shack if a cardboard box will do. |
| 20:45.59 | stoned | right? |
| 20:46.03 | LamerC | so i'm wondering how to get the version number set them. I usually just manually create 'DEBIAN/*' files and manually build a package with dpkg-deb, but seems like debian/rules,etc is a little easier and automated |
| 20:46.06 | stoned | thats a horrible attitude |
| 20:46.08 | nsadmin | you also don't need graphics |
| 20:46.08 | stoned | :) |
| 20:46.11 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yep - i got caught up .. and now i lag .. again :-/ |
| 20:46.40 | enouf | Toni_ttf: er ... not good :-P |
| 20:47.03 | nsadmin | well, in the general case... but it depends on his purpose |
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| 20:47.26 | RoM | stoned: its my old pc, though I think I'll try flux if I can make it work, to make it lightweight, not gonna be there much anyway |
| 20:47.29 | nsadmin | and kde isn't the be-all and end-all of graphic functionality |
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| 20:47.37 | enouf | Toni_ttf: try 'noapic acpi=off nolapic' .. or .. you could just try pci=routeirq and some others |
| 20:48.07 | enouf | Toni_ttf: wait - don't use sarge, you have 2 cores, lmao |
| 20:48.11 | nsadmin | it's whether he wants it |
| 20:48.34 | nsadmin | or, depending on purpose, whether he needs it to accomplish the purpose |
| 20:49.06 | Toni_ttf | nods. just tested it to see what it says |
| 20:49.23 | nsadmin | RoM: so you have a main machine? |
| 20:50.23 | Toni_ttf | hmm |
| 20:50.27 | nsadmin | two possibilities for this machine: one, you could make it a file server... two, you could make it your gateway |
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| 20:50.47 | Toni_ttf | enouf, wanted or not, you found yourself a fan :) |
| 20:50.53 | nsadmin | and there are other possibilities of course. |
| 20:51.10 | RoM | nsadmin: I have the server idea, but havent got the driver to get my wifi working in wpa |
| 20:51.22 | Toni_ttf | "noapic acpi=off nolapic" worked |
| 20:51.31 | Toni_ttf | in welcome screen now |
| 20:51.38 | nsadmin | RoM: if it |
| 20:52.04 | nsadmin | is going to be a server, then kde and also X are waste of space |
| 20:52.31 | nsadmin | but... |
| 20:52.48 | nsadmin | if you go that route, you're gonna be learning the -shell- |
| 20:52.52 | RoM | nsadmin: I havent got a driver for the rtl8187b chip, it was updated since 2.6.27 but debian doesnt officially support that kernel yet |
| 20:53.21 | nsadmin | you can still try to build it whether debian supports it officially or not |
| 20:53.59 | nsadmin | can you put a wired eth card temporarily? |
| 20:54.18 | RoM | sure |
| 20:54.25 | LamerC | nevermind. It seems like its getting the version information from debian/changelog |
| 20:54.36 | nsadmin | so you don't have to depend on wifi for install |
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| 20:55.17 | RoM | yeah, but I think I'm just gonna mess it up like I usually do |
| 20:55.38 | RoM | I do things by tutorial but then at some point I get lost |
| 20:55.42 | enouf | Toni_ttf: heh .. then upgrade to etch once done ;-) |
| 20:55.48 | nsadmin | well, that's another issue... |
| 20:56.05 | nsadmin | if you mess it up, what happens then? |
| 20:56.14 | RoM | I get pissed |
| 20:56.26 | nsadmin | ok, if you get pissed, what happens then? |
| 20:56.37 | RoM | I go back to bill |
| 20:56.51 | nsadmin | if you go back to bill, what happens then? |
| 20:56.56 | Toni_ttf | enouf, in etch now |
| 20:56.56 | enouf | Toni_ttf: youll likely notice using that, that you're only using 1 core of the 2 .. though i'm still not sure what cpu you have, or if it's an earlier yonah version or what |
| 20:57.03 | enouf | oh .. nice |
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| 20:57.25 | libertad0 | Bonjour |
| 20:57.27 | enouf | that'll detect SMP all by itself - still - with those options, likely in one-core mode |
| 20:57.28 | RoM | I get bored |
| 20:57.29 | libertad0 | Good morning |
| 20:57.47 | nsadmin | ahh, ok... what happens if you get board? |
| 20:57.48 | libertad0 | I have a DVD double layer. Where I could to find a ISO for the Stable version |
| 20:57.52 | libertad0 | ? |
| 20:57.52 | nsadmin | bored |
| 20:58.05 | RoM | wheres this going? |
| 20:58.08 | libertad0 | x86 |
| 20:58.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, you end up with a hole inside you |
| 20:58.29 | enouf | !d-i |
| 20:58.29 | dpkg | 4.0r6 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 20:58.56 | nsadmin | I'm just curious for one thing. what's the worst that could happen? the answer seems to be: you get bored and pissed |
| 20:58.59 | libertad0 | Debian is not for Desktop computers? |
| 20:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | april 2007! and already thinking of the next release!! |
| 20:59.26 | nsadmin | the machine isn't damaged (unless you get really pissed and bored :) and you could try again |
| 20:59.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | libertad0, why should it not be? |
| 20:59.39 | RoM | nsadmin: help a fella out then will ya |
| 21:00.08 | libertad0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Because the Graphic eviroment could be not fast |
| 21:00.28 | libertad0 | *enviroment |
| 21:00.33 | nsadmin | I have an appt soon, so I can't stay... but there's no reason you couldn't have the box on a wired eth for awhile |
| 21:00.46 | nsadmin | you can tackle the wireless any time after you install |
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| 21:00.56 | RoM | nsadmin: you gonna do it for me? :) |
| 21:01.05 | nsadmin | of course not... |
| 21:01.08 | RoM | why |
| 21:01.17 | nsadmin | how bored would you be then? |
| 21:01.18 | RoM | we can do some remote connection thingy |
| 21:01.30 | RoM | I'll go watch some tv and come back with new kernel installed |
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| 21:02.00 | SerajewelKS | !helping |
| 21:02.00 | dpkg | Build a man a fire and he can keep himself warm for a day. Set fire to him and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. |
| 21:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.11 | SerajewelKS | RoM: do not offer remote connection to anybody |
| 21:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | poours gasoline over SerajewelKS and sets him on fire. |
| 21:02.29 | RoM | :| |
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| 21:02.53 | SerajewelKS | RoM: it's not safe for you and it's both unsafe and unfair to others |
| 21:02.54 | nsadmin | give a man a fish he;ll eat for a day... teach a man to fish he'll be on the boat drinking beers all day |
| 21:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | surgeon, that was quick... |
| 21:03.48 | RoM | nsadmin is gonna do bad things to my box? |
| 21:04.06 | nsadmin | I wasn't even planning to go in |
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| 21:04.08 | SerajewelKS | RoM: not necessarily |
| 21:04.09 | libertad0 | CutMeOwnThroat: Debian is not for girls, that's all |
| 21:04.14 | nsadmin | again, I have plans |
| 21:04.14 | RoM | he'll install an older kernel instead |
| 21:04.35 | SerajewelKS | RoM: but offering ssh to someone is unsafe since you can't necessarily trust them, and it creates liability issues for them |
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| 21:04.45 | SerajewelKS | RoM: they may be legally liable for anything the fuck up on your box |
| 21:04.45 | agike | Hi, I keep getting the msg "Config error, Line 39, greylist conf" which is "70.103.162.0/24 \ # Debian Mail+Listservers NEVER unwhitelist them". Is that IP address still correct ? |
| 21:04.48 | SerajewelKS | they* |
| 21:04.50 | nsadmin | I won't lie to you... this will take some patience |
| 21:04.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | libertad0, damnit! Then that's what I'va been doin wrong all the time... |
| 21:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, well, they won't |
| 21:05.19 | enouf | Toni_ttf: heh, i just saw page 2 of that gawdawful forum where people don't post lspci output or nothing like dmesg or anything .. it's all windows forum style - anyways; check out what's on page2 in someone's post; |
| 21:05.21 | enouf | I've been playing with my U50SI1 and Ubuntu 8.04 for some time. Links from this board to sort the graphics out was straightforward enough to get the full 1280x800 resolution. What you need to do (this goes for any linux distro) is to disable ACPI in GRUB (NOAPIC NOLAPIC ACPI=off). |
| 21:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, well, they won't 'cause he don't know them |
| 21:05.37 | SerajewelKS | RoM: plus this is a support channel, as in we give you answers. if you want someone to do it, hire a consultant. |
| 21:06.07 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have a point or are you arguing for the hell of it? |
| 21:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, that was an ubuntu forum you were just talking about? |
| 21:06.10 | RoM | do you give answers to anything?= |
| 21:06.17 | Toni_ttf | enouf, nods. seems like it has pretty funky acpi |
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| 21:06.41 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, Merry M00semas! |
| 21:06.53 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, happy GNU year as well! |
| 21:07.02 | CharminTheMoose | :-) |
| 21:07.16 | nsadmin | you mean like "why do people like to say "rubber baby buggy bumpers" over and over really fast?" |
| 21:07.17 | cahoot | RoM: you can be led to water but the actual drinking is up to you |
| 21:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, hah... I just like the idea of getting ssh access and fucking up someone elses machine and not have to worry that I gotta fix it ... :-P |
| 21:07.40 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: happy hO ho HO! ;=) |
| 21:07.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | RoM, they do .. to 'smart questions' (/msg dpkg smart questions) |
| 21:08.06 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, hehe |
| 21:08.26 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: if you're in the same country as them then you could be charged for that unless they indemnify you in writing |
| 21:08.47 | enouf | Toni_ttf: there are acpi_osi= options in newer kernels - aka; .26 and up - maybe earlier one's to, that might help, not sure |
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| 21:09.09 | RoM | Do you guys know everything= |
| 21:09.26 | enouf | Toni_ttf: /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt has them all (or almost all) |
| 21:09.36 | SerajewelKS | RoM: no, because you can't know everything |
| 21:09.52 | RoM | DO you know everything about computers? |
| 21:10.00 | SerajewelKS | RoM: and you can't prove that you know everything because it's essentially a proof of a negative (no knowledge exists except what i know) |
| 21:10.03 | SerajewelKS | RoM: same answer |
| 21:10.24 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: and a very Merry M00s|-|/\/\45 to you :-) |
| 21:10.27 | agike | Hmm .. RoM: Have a good 2009 ! |
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| 21:11.37 | RoM | agike: got to finish 2008 first |
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| 21:12.33 | nsadmin | not much of that left... |
| 21:12.40 | Toni_ttf | enouf, oki thanks. I'll take a peek |
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| 21:13.30 | enouf | !8ball I bet Lenny will release sometime in 2009! ;-) |
| 21:13.52 | enouf | !8ball will lenny release sometime in 2009 ? |
| 21:13.58 | nsadmin | !test |
| 21:14.00 | enouf | !8ball yo ho |
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| 21:14.04 | enouf | oh |
| 21:14.15 | nsadmin | it's there |
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| 21:14.47 | nsadmin | it seems to be stuck |
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| 21:15.45 | nsadmin | RoM so I'm gonna wander... you have choices |
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| 21:17.09 | bbelt16ag | ok question peeps |
| 21:17.21 | bbelt16ag | what's the default for ext3 file system checks? |
| 21:17.24 | nsadmin | peep! peep peep! |
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| 21:17.33 | bbelt16ag | like when it scans during a reboot? |
| 21:17.40 | enouf | 30 mounts? |
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| 21:17.41 | maligor | what default? |
| 21:18.26 | bbelt16ag | no no .. its chrip cirp |
| 21:18.27 | bbelt16ag | yeah |
| 21:18.27 | bbelt16ag | its scanning my drives.. |
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| 21:18.27 | bbelt16ag | be here awhile now |
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| 21:18.27 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 21:18.27 | nsadmin | the default is set when the filesystem is made |
| 21:18.27 | bbelt16ag | I got like a 2 TB + drive.. |
| 21:18.27 | enouf | tune2fs and dumpe2fs will tell you what it's set to |
| 21:18.27 | bbelt16ag | so its scanning the whole thing |
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| 21:18.27 | maligor | you can stop it with ctrl-c and fsck it later |
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| 21:18.42 | bbelt16ag | its headless an di am too lazy to plugin monitor and keyboard |
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| 21:18.59 | jelly-home | slippity split |
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| 21:19.40 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 21:20.47 | bbelt16ag | still going |
| 21:20.59 | bbelt16ag | the activity light is solid |
| 21:21.16 | nsadmin | it's solidly active! |
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| 21:21.22 | nsadmin | that's good, right? |
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| 21:21.42 | bbelt16ag | heh |
| 21:21.45 | bbelt16ag | I hope so |
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| 21:23.22 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 21:23.30 | bbelt16ag | it better be checking my big drive or else... |
| 21:23.51 | yareckon | !helping |
| 21:23.57 | yareckon | bot down |
| 21:23.59 | nsadmin | what would happen if not? |
| 21:24.36 | avu | apt: helping |
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| 21:24.45 | avu | ;/ |
| 21:25.10 | nsadmin | judd: ralphing |
| 21:25.10 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "ralphing" is not a valid command. |
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| 21:25.57 | RoM | oh |
| 21:26.01 | RoM | and I got to ask this |
| 21:26.24 | RoM | is it ok if I set up old box to the monitor that the main box is connected to |
| 21:27.00 | RoM | like both simultaneously, one uses DVI and other uses analog connection |
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| 21:27.07 | nsadmin | not at the same time. but you have other choices, for example you can ssh to it |
| 21:27.13 | RoM | and I can switch between analog and digital |
| 21:27.14 | Guerin | RoM: you'll need a kvm or somesuch |
| 21:27.55 | nsadmin | if the monitor has a switch for input, that could work |
| 21:28.03 | RoM | I mean, the monitor has ability to switch between analog and digital signal |
| 21:28.08 | Guerin | oh |
| 21:28.11 | Guerin | no problem, then |
| 21:28.51 | streenz | an Athlon XP single core 3000+ processor would be i386 correct? or should I not try to install debian if I cant even figure that out by myself? haha |
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| 21:29.06 | RoM | so when i choose digital signal, main box's screen shows up but when i choose analog, the old box's screen shows up |
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| 21:30.01 | Guerin | streenz: correct on both counts. |
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| 21:31.31 | SerajewelKS | RoM: yup, i did that for a while too |
| 21:31.51 | RoM | cool, I hate that old 15 inch crt anyway |
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| 21:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu, Build a man a fire and he can keep himself warm for a day. Set fire to him and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. |
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| 21:39.09 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, poetic. |
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| 21:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | avu, was just playing the replacement-bot |
| 21:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wb |
| 21:40.30 | dpkg | thanks, cutmeownthroat. It's good to be back. |
| 21:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he's back anyways |
| 21:40.57 | avu | CutMeOwnThroat, you had too much lag anyway |
| 21:41.08 | avu | dpkg, you win |
| 21:41.08 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... organic brains suck |
| 21:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... |
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| 21:44.29 | enouf | dpkg: where were you? |
| 21:44.29 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 21:44.53 | k0ng | i can't find any good examples for iptables in debian etch |
| 21:45.01 | enouf | dpkg helping =~ s/Set fire to him/Set a man afire/ |
| 21:45.01 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 21:45.03 | k0ng | i just want a very simple firewall to open port 80 and 22 inbound |
| 21:45.05 | k0ng | =[ |
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| 21:46.04 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: make a new table tcp-new, send all new TCP traffic there, add rules to ACCEPT 22 and 80 and REJECT everything else |
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| 21:46.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't it "on fire"? |
| 21:46.58 | enouf | !dict afire |
| 21:46.58 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what afire means |
| 21:46.58 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: i sent you a PM |
| 21:47.11 | dpkg | Dictionary 'afire' (1 of 3): abandoned, ablaze, aflame, aflicker, aglow, alight, ardent, blazing, boiling over, breathless, burning, candent, candescent, comburent, committed, conflagrant, cordial, dedicated, delirious, devoted, devout, drunk, earnest, enthusiastic, excited, exuberant, faithful, febrile, fervent, fervid, fevered, feverish, fiery, fired, flagrant, flaming, flaring, flickering, flushed, fuming, glowing, guttering, hearty, heated, ... |
| 21:47.11 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: ok, don't |
| 21:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, that's not the point... the point was... doesn't the quote normally go "on fire"? |
| 21:47.27 | enouf | ok, let's change it to ablaze ;-) |
| 21:47.33 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: i have a generated iptables rules, i just need to know where to put it |
| 21:47.44 | k0ng | and /etc/init.d/iptables start doesn't work in etch? |
| 21:48.03 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: use iptables-restore |
| 21:48.16 | k0ng | ok, but where do i save my iptables rules? |
| 21:48.27 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: i save mine in /etc/networking |
| 21:48.39 | k0ng | how do i get it to execute? |
| 21:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that's actually a TP quote, so mine's kinda a qualified opinion :) |
| 21:48.43 | k0ng | upon every boot? |
| 21:48.43 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: then i use pre-up rules in /etc/networking/interfaces to load them |
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| 21:49.06 | k0ng | pre-up meaning it applies it before eth0 comes up? |
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| 21:49.15 | newsense | Kong you can add that to interfaces file too |
| 21:49.16 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: right |
| 21:49.16 | newsense | like iptables-restore < /path/to/rules.rules |
| 21:49.28 | SerajewelKS | newsense: that's what i just said :/ |
| 21:49.30 | newsense | Kong or make am init script to do the same if you prefer that |
| 21:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, well, at least the no1 google hit agrees with me: http://bestuff.com/stuff/build-a-man-a-fire-and-hell-be-warm-for-a-day-set-a-man-on-fire-and-hell-be-warm-for-the-rest-of-his-life |
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| 21:49.40 | newsense | sorry |
| 21:49.42 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: ifup will run that before it brings eth0 up |
| 21:49.47 | SerajewelKS | newsense: it's ok, just teasing |
| 21:49.47 | k0ng | i just want the easiest way, i already have the rules |
| 21:49.50 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: afire sounds better :-P |
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| 21:50.11 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: add 'pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/networking/...' in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 21:50.14 | badcloud | what about aflame? |
| 21:50.23 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: under the interface you use primarily |
| 21:50.25 | enouf | build ... a fire - set .. afire :-) |
| 21:50.31 | k0ng | ok |
| 21:50.42 | enouf | ablaze or aflame is ok |
| 21:50.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, no, it doesn't! how DARE you criticize the master :-P |
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| 21:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's some variance on the 1st part (build ... or give), but the quotes seem to agree pretty well on the 2nd half |
| 21:52.59 | SerajewelKS | who cares |
| 21:53.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you implying this might not be the most important thing on the world?! |
| 21:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | an outrage! |
| 21:53.50 | hatter | dpkg /msg vexim |
| 21:53.51 | dpkg | hatter: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:54.10 | hatter | is vexim in stable ? |
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| 21:54.35 | peterius | if I upgrade to lenny, what happens to my custom kernel? |
| 21:54.35 | SerajewelKS | hatter: packages.debian.org |
| 21:54.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 21:54.54 | SerajewelKS | peterius: upgrades do not install new kernels, usually anyway |
| 21:54.54 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: i placed that right under the loopback, right? |
| 21:55.05 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: shrug, that will work i guess |
| 21:55.07 | peterius | serajewelKS: seriously? |
| 21:55.17 | SerajewelKS | peterius: seriously |
| 21:55.21 | SerajewelKS | peterius: you have to ask for them |
| 21:55.23 | k0ng | when i type iptables-restore as root, it just hangs |
| 21:55.27 | k0ng | any idea why? |
| 21:55.35 | SerajewelKS | unless you are using one of the linux-image metapackages |
| 21:55.42 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: because it's expecting input |
| 21:55.49 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: so paste your rules and hit ^D |
| 21:55.54 | k0ng | lol, true |
| 21:56.40 | k0ng | iptables-restore: line 6 failed |
| 21:56.42 | k0ng | i got that now |
| 21:56.48 | SerajewelKS | so fix line 6 |
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| 21:57.05 | biziobit | ciao |
| 21:57.05 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's almost like this is how it's supposed to work! |
| 21:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly line 5 |
| 21:57.21 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: hmm? to which? |
| 21:57.27 | k0ng | IPT="/sbin/iptables" |
| 21:57.31 | k0ng | that's line 6 |
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| 21:57.36 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: haha it's a script |
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| 21:57.43 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: not an iptables ruleset |
| 21:57.56 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: iptables-restore: line 6 failed > so fix line 6 |
| 21:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | k0ng, iptables-restore expects the output of iptables-save |
| 21:58.06 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: paste it into a shell script and run it then. you'll need to use that script in your pre-up instead of iptables-restore |
| 21:58.09 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: haha |
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| 21:58.20 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: crazy i know, error messages that make sense |
| 21:58.26 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: why is everything so complicated with debian? |
| 21:58.34 | k0ng | why do they have to break everything? |
| 21:58.39 | Guerin | k0ng: it isn't. You're just stupid. |
| 21:58.45 | SerajewelKS | zing |
| 21:58.56 | newsense | its easy i did it |
| 21:59.02 | enouf | SerajewelKS: peterius meant dist-upgrade |
| 21:59.04 | Guerin | iptables is no different on debian than anywhere else |
| 21:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, did I tell you there's nobody like you for a "heads up"? :) |
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| 21:59.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: nods. i've never had a dist-upgrade install a new kernel. |
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| 21:59.26 | newsense | got rules for lan and wan facing interfaces :P |
| 21:59.30 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: you did now. |
| 21:59.33 | enouf | SerajewelKS: erm, yes you have |
| 22:00.11 | k0ng | it shouldn't take 200 lines of code to permit inbound port 80 and block all other ports |
| 22:00.24 | Guerin | k0ng: and it doesn't |
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| 22:00.34 | SerajewelKS | enouf: not without a linux-image-2.x-arch package installed |
| 22:00.48 | k0ng | Guerin: it is for me |
| 22:00.58 | craigevil | k0ng: why not try moblock |
| 22:00.59 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if i have a specific version installed and not a metapackage, i don't get a new kernel on a dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.32 | Guerin | k0ng: http://fukung.net/tag/doingitwrong |
| 22:01.32 | newsense | it doesnt |
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| 22:01.54 | k0ng | i just want to permit port 80, when i read tutorials they're a good 30 pages long |
| 22:02.01 | k0ng | now, you don't consider that over complication? |
| 22:02.07 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: if you use rule generators, sure, they're going to generate a ton of shit you don't want |
| 22:02.33 | karsten | So, trying to debug a kernel panic, ksymoops is apparently no longer required? http://groups.google.com/group/fa.linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/fdc011095c27b45f/b709b43e3fe6a952' |
| 22:02.40 | karsten | (2.6 kernels and later) |
| 22:02.44 | yareckon | oh well, I went with webmin after looking at most of the gui tools and realizing that they stink |
| 22:02.47 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: point me in the right direction, please |
| 22:02.55 | karsten | k0ng: No, we don't. |
| 22:02.56 | yareckon | I'll drop off my geek card at my next lug meeting |
| 22:03.06 | Guerin | k0ng: iptables -P INPUT DROP |
| 22:03.08 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: here, i can do it in five commands: iptables -N new-tcp; iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp -m state --state new -j new-tcp; iptables -A new-tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A new-tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT; iptables -A new-tcp -j REJECT; |
| 22:03.13 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: tada |
| 22:03.16 | Guerin | k0ng: iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 22:03.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: damn you |
| 22:03.25 | SerajewelKS | !win me |
| 22:03.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, serajewelks! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 22:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | k0ng, ok, will do: you don't normally need a firewall ... just don't run services you don't need |
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| 22:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... buybuy |
| 22:03.44 | karsten | k0ng: Overcomplicated would be 300 pages. In braille. Carved in durilliam with calcite styluses. Buried under 15 fee tof mixed rubble and cow dung. On the moon. |
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| 22:04.06 | SerajewelKS | karsten: they have cows on the moon?? |
| 22:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you get cow dung on the moon? |
| 22:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 22:04.10 | newsense | k0ng, heres one of my rulesets: allows any related or established allows all in and out from loopback and eth0 and allows only http(s) ftp irc dns and smtp out for wlan0 http://paste.debian.net/24798 |
| 22:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | two idiots, one thoughy :) |
| 22:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought* |
| 22:04.22 | karsten | SerajewelKS: The moon *does* have super cow powers. |
| 22:04.23 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: that won't work upon a reboot though, will it? |
| 22:04.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: yeah btw i do a lot of shit with iptables... |
| 22:04.34 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: nope, that's why you save it |
| 22:04.43 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: iptables-save > /etc/networking/iptables-state |
| 22:04.49 | karsten | Konky: No, you need to re-run the script at startup, or save and restore your IPtables. |
| 22:04.51 | Guerin | k0ng: have you considered actually learning to use the tools you need? |
| 22:04.56 | newsense | just an example but its only a few lines |
| 22:05.02 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: then put 'pre-up < /etc/networking/iptables-state' under eth0 in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 22:05.24 | SerajewelKS | gah |
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| 22:05.32 | SerajewelKS | s/networking/network |
| 22:05.40 | SerajewelKS | facepalms himself |
| 22:05.42 | newsense | k0ng, its pretty simple, only took me 3 hours to make sense of it, good investment |
| 22:06.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | pre-up < something? |
| 22:06.08 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Let's see if we can't find some volunteers to do that for you. |
| 22:06.15 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: what happened to iptables.rules? |
| 22:06.22 | k0ng | did you change that to iptables-state? |
| 22:06.33 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: yeah, it really doesn't matter what you call it |
| 22:06.45 | karsten | Konky: Yes, iptables is a bit of a PITA. "But it's very powerful!". There are a number fo front ends that are supposed to make it easier but nobody can aree on which is best. |
| 22:06.46 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: i use iptables-eth0 cause i load it when eth0 comes up |
| 22:06.53 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: call it whatever you feel like |
| 22:07.02 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: oops |
| 22:07.15 | k0ng | so i simply put the rules in iptables.rules |
| 22:07.20 | k0ng | and then do pre-up < /etc/networking/iptables-state |
| 22:07.33 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/networking/iptables.rules |
| 22:07.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: if you upgrade from etch to lenny, you get a new kernel |
| 22:07.54 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: is that instead of the previous line? |
| 22:07.57 | k0ng | or in addition? |
| 22:08.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: without a metapackage installed? |
| 22:08.14 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: instead of... you're not using iptables-state are you? |
| 22:08.18 | k0ng | no |
| 22:08.25 | SerajewelKS | ok then :) |
| 22:08.42 | SerajewelKS | $DEITY gave you a brain for a reason |
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| 22:09.44 | enouf | not all linux-image-versions are metapackages, but i see your point |
| 22:10.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right, the x.y.z ones are not, and i typically don't install an x.y one because i don't want upgrades installing new kernels and breaking shit |
| 22:11.02 | SerajewelKS | like 2.6.2[56] for example |
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| 22:12.05 | enouf | aye |
| 22:12.42 | ferret_0567 | my make-kpkg seems so messed up |
| 22:12.45 | enouf | but one can easily (or should be able to) choose the correct kernel from the bootloader ;-) |
| 22:13.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right |
| 22:13.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: but then i have to go uninstall the broken one |
| 22:13.31 | fantomas | Hi, is there a kind of mouse training programm/game? I have to start using left-handed mouse, need to get skills with it ASAP |
| 22:13.35 | enouf | SerajewelKS: or .. move it to the bottom of the list ;-) |
| 22:13.40 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.25 runs a tad faster for me than 2.6.24 but at least with .24 my box doesn't become unusable after an hour |
| 22:13.46 | enouf | SerajewelKS: since it's not broken, unless you broke it ;-) |
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| 22:14.12 | ferret_0567 | ah, there we go |
| 22:14.19 | ferret_0567 | I fixed it |
| 22:14.21 | SerajewelKS | enouf: nah, 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 kill my box. after a few hours processes start entering uninterruptible sleep |
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| 22:14.34 | ferret_0567 | SerajewelKS: did you try the new 2.6.28? |
| 22:14.35 | enouf | bad box, bad ... |
| 22:14.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's like watching a sniper pick off targets. there goes sshd.... apache bit the dust.... |
| 22:14.45 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.24, no issues at all |
| 22:14.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: haha |
| 22:15.02 | SerajewelKS | and #kernel, #debian, lkml, you name it. nothing helpful anywhere. |
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| 22:15.24 | SerajewelKS | ferret_0567: i try not to compile my own kernels much. i may soon though. |
| 22:15.25 | ferret_0567 | I'm building a 2.6.28 kernel package |
| 22:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, they just go to sleep, they're not killed? |
| 22:15.39 | vladi | hi, how can i disable the icons that appear on buttons and menu's on gtk apps? |
| 22:15.40 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.25 is worse than .26 |
| 22:15.41 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well 2.6.26 runs much snappier than 2.6.23 and 2.6.16 which ran faster than 2.6.x... and so on .. |
| 22:15.44 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: right |
| 22:16.03 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: uninterruptible sleep usually means I/O |
| 22:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 22:16.19 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: but processes usually don't get stuck there, especially when they're not doing anything at all |
| 22:16.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you kill it, you get a zombie |
| 22:16.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: are they run from a drive attached through usb? |
| 22:16.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: nope |
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| 22:16.53 | ferret_0567 | vladi: try reading the GTK+ website, and if that doesn't help, ask #gtk+ |
| 22:16.54 | SerajewelKS | everything is sata |
| 22:17.01 | enouf | SerajewelKS: apache2? or .. orig flav? ;) |
| 22:17.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: apache2 |
| 22:17.11 | einand | anyone that are good att ssh http://pastebin.ca/1296677 and can help med solve this issue |
| 22:17.15 | enouf | ouch |
| 22:17.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: but it's not just services, it's everything. X. gnome-panel. |
| 22:17.42 | mischief6 | can anyone redirect me to a place to find help with installation issues? |
| 22:17.47 | SerajewelKS | sooner or later everything is in D. eventually bash, then i can't do shit. |
| 22:17.57 | Guerin | mischief6: here. /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:17.58 | ferret_0567 | SerajewelKS: hahah |
| 22:17.59 | enouf | SerajewelKS: would you say maybe your HDD or it's busses is/are falling asleep? |
| 22:17.59 | keith4 | einand: going to need to see logs from the other end |
| 22:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, was just asking... I had a processor once that was essentially overclocked (it really wasn't, but it was a badish processor) - and the curious thing was the system kept running fine, but if you had a process that used 100PU, it'd get killed after a time... well... your issue's obviously different |
| 22:18.02 | SerajewelKS | but pings always respond, which tells me the kernel is still breathing |
| 22:18.09 | keith4 | einand: the other end it terminating the connection |
| 22:18.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: they don't under 2.6.24 |
| 22:18.23 | keith4 | mischief6: installation of what? |
| 22:18.25 | mischief6 | lol, okay Guerin. |
| 22:18.30 | einand | keith4: i'm 60 miles (metric system) from home, so its imposiable right now |
| 22:18.34 | SerajewelKS | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah i haven't overclocked in a while and not on this cpu |
| 22:18.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i understand, i'm thinking of something |
| 22:18.45 | SerajewelKS | enouf: so possibly, but i wouldn't know how to check |
| 22:18.46 | mischief6 | well while installaling debian 4.0r6, the installer says there was a failed step. |
| 22:18.53 | mischief6 | and i do not know what to do about it |
| 22:18.56 | keith4 | mischief6: you're in the right place |
| 22:18.56 | SerajewelKS | enouf: all i know is .25 and .26 are broken for me |
| 22:19.10 | keith4 | but you're going to need to provide a lot more information than that |
| 22:19.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, I wouldn't have dreamed of overclocking ... but if they judge the quality of the die wrong, that's what you get in effect... |
| 22:19.14 | enouf | SerajewelKS: sure you could, check with hdparm/sdparm, smartmontools, lmsensors perhaps |
| 22:19.17 | mischief6 | keith4, what do you need to know? |
| 22:19.46 | enouf | SerajewelKS: compare lsmod to each boot? using sata? ide? sata in ide compat mode? |
| 22:20.02 | SerajewelKS | three sata drives, one ide |
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| 22:20.24 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the trick is when it happens my ability to run new processes is more or less random |
| 22:20.28 | ferret_0567 | mischief6: how about which installer step failed, for starters? |
| 22:20.29 | keith4 | mischief6: pretend that none of us have been watching over your shoulder, or know anything about your computer |
| 22:20.30 | SerajewelKS | enouf: some shit will start, some won't |
| 22:20.32 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok, lsmod | egrep 'ahci|pata|libata' ? |
| 22:20.52 | SerajewelKS | enouf: not at the box right this moment, i'm at work :) |
| 22:20.57 | enouf | SerajewelKS: is there a marvell controller? |
| 22:21.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | SerajewelKS, how about running something like valgrind/strace on the process... wouldn't that sooner or later give you a hint what they're doing when they stop? |
| 22:21.05 | SerajewelKS | enouf: for sata? |
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| 22:21.14 | mischief6 | okay, well it's a pentium 3 coppermine 600mhz, with 128MB of ram, and a ~6GB disk. the installation step that failed is 'Select and install software'. |
| 22:21.25 | enouf | SerajewelKS: erm .. well, they're kind of combined, but no, pata_marvell |
| 22:21.28 | SerajewelKS | oh btw i get kernel panics on 2.6.24 during boot about every 10th time, something about acpi |
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| 22:21.46 | mischief6 | i previously had debian on the machine but i wiped it and decided to put 4.0r6 on it |
| 22:21.56 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ahci, libata are loaded |
| 22:22.03 | enouf | SerajewelKS: there was also a fix for sata_sil (?) not too long ago - but the pata_marvell + ahci is recent fix |
| 22:22.12 | SerajewelKS | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) |
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| 22:22.23 | SerajewelKS | 02:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 22:22.34 | enouf | SerajewelKS: check the recent 2.6 kernel changelogs ...ahh |
| 22:22.48 | enouf | SerajewelKS: what's the IDE one? |
| 22:22.54 | enouf | er PATA one |
| 22:22.58 | SerajewelKS | same thing s/SATA/IDE/ |
| 22:23.03 | SerajewelKS | 02:00.1 IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
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| 22:23.10 | SerajewelKS | both are onboard |
| 22:23.12 | enouf | aha .. jmicropoop :-) |
| 22:23.29 | stoned | SerajewelKS, hi |
| 22:23.30 | enouf | i see .. hrm .. |
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| 22:23.37 | stoned | SerajewelKS, now you are on #debian |
| 22:23.38 | stoned | ! |
| 22:23.52 | ferret_0567 | enouf: who says it isn't the Linux kernel driver for the JMicron controllers that's causing the trouble? |
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| 22:23.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i know, it's crazy |
| 22:24.01 | stoned | :) |
| 22:24.08 | SerajewelKS | stoned: shh, don't tell anyone i chill in #mono though |
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| 22:24.12 | SerajewelKS | ahhh shit |
| 22:24.22 | stoned | lol I didn't say nothing |
| 22:24.28 | ferret_0567 | lol |
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| 22:24.46 | enouf | SerajewelKS: is there a pata_jmicron loaded? |
| 22:24.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no |
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| 22:25.11 | stoned | I have also a JMB363 |
| 22:25.13 | stoned | :) |
| 22:25.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: but on 2.6.24 it's just jmicron |
| 22:25.20 | SerajewelKS | enouf: which is loaded |
| 22:25.20 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does one try to load on .25/26? |
| 22:25.21 | stoned | shitty pata controller |
| 22:25.55 | stoned | amazingly shitty |
| 22:26.02 | stoned | like you would not believe. |
| 22:26.04 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does your BIOS have SATA mode choices [PATA, IDE Compat, AHCI, RAID] etc? |
| 22:26.31 | enouf | <SerajewelKS> enouf: but on 2.6.24 it's just jmicron <-- as opposed to? |
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| 22:28.26 | enouf | SerajewelKS: a simple thing to try - if the one IDE drive is an optical (or a HDD you live without for a day or so) - disconnect it and reboot - disable in BIOS, see how it goes on .26, etc |
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| 22:29.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, any error? ... bah and "wipe it out" - there are such things as updates, you know... |
| 22:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 22:30.42 | enouf | SerajewelKS: oh my .. is that the sky2 driver used for your marvell gigE card? the one which could easily be "bricked"? .. wait, let me check something |
| 22:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dis aint geddin no work done here |
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| 22:32.14 | Jemt | I would like to ensure that kernel updates cannot take place on my Lenny installation. I know that I can do 'aptitude hold <package>', but what is the value of <package> in this case? "linux-image-2.6-686" ? Could there be alternatives like "linux-image-2.6.26-1-686" ? Is it possible to list kernel images installed? |
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| 22:33.16 | Jemt | Hm, back |
| 22:33.29 | stoned | aptitude search linux-image-2.6|grep 686 |
| 22:33.33 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesn't say anything explicit, just that a step failed |
| 22:33.46 | stoned | it will tell you in the first column with 'i' for installed or 'p' for not instaleld |
| 22:34.12 | yareckon | see y'all laterz |
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| 22:34.50 | Jemt | Not sure my last message got out; I know it is possible to list packages with a status which can be used to ensure that a package has infact been marked "hold"ed |
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| 22:35.00 | WolvBite | hey all. Need help with wifi.... I have the card installed set up with madwifi. and the device appears under system/network. however I only have wep encryption available. wpasupplicant is installed. can anyone helpme get wpa2 personal running |
| 22:35.20 | Jemt | stoned: That's not what I'm looking for - do you know the method I tried to describe before ? |
| 22:35.21 | enouf | ahh crap, i'm thinking of the Intel e1000e thing |
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| 22:35.50 | stoned | Jemt, you want to hold kernel updates? |
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| 22:36.14 | stoned | find out your installed kernel and hold it? |
| 22:36.27 | Jemt | stoned: Yes, so that my nvidia drivers won't suddently break when installing updates automatically |
| 22:36.49 | root_____ | two questions, 1. where are the desktop files in gnome? 2. any thoughts on why my gnome_terminal fails with "there was an error creating the child process for this terminal" and so there is shell, just a dead terminal window. ? |
| 22:36.53 | Jemt | stoned: Yes, but also list all packages with and without a hold flag (just don't remember the command to use) |
| 22:37.15 | stoned | Jemt, learn to search |
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| 22:37.28 | root_____ | s=there is=there is no= |
| 22:37.33 | Jemt | root_____: /usr/share/applications |
| 22:37.41 | root_____ | jemt ty. |
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| 22:38.07 | stoned | Jemt, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 22:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, that's a bit vague... |
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| 22:38.26 | stoned | Jemt, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 22:38.30 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sorry went afk |
| 22:38.33 | root_____ | Jemt ummm seems to be the wrong set, i don't see computer listed there ? |
| 22:38.33 | stoned | specifically |
| 22:38.40 | stoned | !tell root_____ -about root |
| 22:38.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: my bios hase some sata modes, i think it's in sata mode |
| 22:38.46 | mischief6 | CutMeOwnThroat, not my fault, that's exactly what the installer says |
| 22:38.50 | Jemt | root_____: Computer is not a short cut. Do you want to hide it ? |
| 22:39.06 | stoned | Jemt, that should help you find anything |
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| 22:39.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sky2 is in use, yes |
| 22:39.13 | Jemt | stoned: Thanks |
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| 22:39.32 | Jemt | stoned: It's not an application I'm looking for though |
| 22:39.33 | root_____ | Jemt i'd like to delete it permanantly from all users accounts. as well as all other crap on the desktop windos |
| 22:39.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok - no prob - should be in AHCI mode (for your 3 SATA drives), or RAID if no separate AHCI mode |
| 22:40.07 | stoned | Jemt, you're not understanding |
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| 22:40.16 | Jemt | root_____: I'm not sure it can be done for all users - you could ask in #gnome. But you can disable it for your own account |
| 22:40.16 | stoned | Jemt, what I'm trying to tell you is different. |
| 22:40.17 | root_____ | Jemt errr i mean "yes" |
| 22:40.18 | cafuego | stoned: well, you're mumbling |
| 22:40.28 | stoned | cafuego, mumbling on irc? |
| 22:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mischief6, you might be able to switch to a console with alt-f2 or so... probably there are some logfiles that give more information... perhaps even dmesg or /var/log/messages |
| 22:40.37 | cafuego | stoned: I know, well done ;-) |
| 22:41.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: AHCI sounds right |
| 22:41.17 | mischief6 | okay CutMeOwnThroat i'll check there, verifying the cd first :) |
| 22:41.19 | root_____ | ok. thanks. |
| 22:41.21 | cads | whenever i type #!/bin/bash into a file, I remember the ricky martin song : ( |
| 22:41.25 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm doing lvm2 with sata, not that that makes a difference |
| 22:41.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i had this problem before using lvm |
| 22:41.38 | KiDFlaSh | !nonfree |
| 22:41.38 | dpkg | i guess non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:42.00 | ferret_0567 | !vrms |
| 22:42.00 | dpkg | it has been said that vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux. Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software. Be careful, vrms doesn't forget... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 22:42.06 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 22:42.06 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 22:42.10 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 22:42.11 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 22:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice, you actually managed to increase the spam level :) |
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| 22:42.39 | stoned | it was required. |
| 22:42.40 | ferret_0567 | lol |
| 22:42.54 | Jemt | root_____: Start 'gconf-editor' and browse to /apps/nautilus/desktop and uncheck "computer_icon_visible" |
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| 22:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed it was... but you could have used the correct factoid the 1st time ;) |
| 22:43.05 | stoned | and what I said was not stupid, or pointless, or annoying(thats subjective) and yes, it was a message. |
| 22:43.08 | Jemt | Gah |
| 22:43.10 | Jemt | He left |
| 22:43.21 | stoned | spam = stupid pointless annoying messages. |
| 22:43.30 | stoned | by that standard, I was not spamming ok man! |
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| 22:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 22:43.38 | nick4 | spam = money! |
| 22:44.02 | Jemt | nick4: No, spam got nothing to do with money |
| 22:44.14 | nick4 | I think it does |
| 22:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... spam == another guy who wants to be shot |
| 22:44.22 | Jemt | They are used to make money, sure - but spam is what stoned said |
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| 22:44.39 | nick4 | spam for us is anoying for the spammer is money |
| 22:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/wants/deserves/ |
| 22:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nick4, but then, who cares what anything is for a spammer? |
| 22:45.06 | nick4 | first, we kill the spammers, then the laywers (I hope we dont have any layers in the channel!) |
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| 22:45.33 | SerajewelKS | ogres have layers |
| 22:45.35 | nick4 | I am. I like to understand why and how something happens |
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| 22:46.17 | nick4 | SerajewelKS I have succesfully trolled you into correcting me :P |
| 22:46.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ok .. still researching some things .. |
| 22:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably the lawyers want to keep the spammers alive so they have something to look down on *shudder* |
| 22:46.50 | nick4 | +1 CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | just read the bonfire of the vanities |
| 22:47.25 | Jemt | stoned: The solution I was looking for: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 22:47.39 | stoned | to prevent kernel upgrades? |
| 22:47.42 | stoned | Jemt, how? |
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| 22:48.36 | KiDFlaSh | how is the name of the flash that is installed at the beginning with iceweasel? |
| 22:48.48 | stoned | flash? |
| 22:48.50 | Jemt | stoned: No, when I mark the kernel for "hold", the list generated by --get-selections will show that the kernel is being kept back |
| 22:48.53 | KiDFlaSh | flash |
| 22:48.55 | stoned | !tell KiDFlaSh -about search |
| 22:49.05 | k0ng | hi guys, i have a firewall script that i generated, just wanted to know how to execute it and make it run every time i reboot |
| 22:49.08 | k0ng | http://rafb.net/p/zWCiZn57.html |
| 22:49.21 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: we told you |
| 22:49.57 | k0ng | this is a script though |
| 22:49.59 | k0ng | not a rules file |
| 22:50.05 | k0ng | http://rafb.net/p/zWCiZn57.html |
| 22:50.15 | SerajewelKS | nazi firewall much? :P |
| 22:50.22 | k0ng | what's nazi about it? |
| 22:50.27 | stoned | ok |
| 22:50.28 | stoned | stop. |
| 22:51.03 | SerajewelKS | well first, why is DROP the default for OUTPUT? |
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| 22:51.16 | k0ng | because it's just a webserver |
| 22:51.18 | stoned | SerajewelKS, getting off the topic here. |
| 22:51.20 | SerajewelKS | if you really want to block everything then at least use REJECT so applications know something happened |
| 22:51.33 | SerajewelKS | stoned: hmm? |
| 22:51.33 | stoned | SerajewelKS, answer the man. How to load this script in a startup system, run level thingy |
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| 22:51.47 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i told him |
| 22:51.50 | SerajewelKS | like an hour ago |
| 22:51.52 | KiDFlaSh | !dpkg dmm |
| 22:51.52 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 22:52.00 | stoned | KiDFlaSh, please /msg the bot |
| 22:52.02 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: remember all that pre-up shit? do that. |
| 22:52.03 | KiDFlaSh | sorry |
| 22:52.03 | stoned | KiDFlaSh, /msg dpkg dmm |
| 22:52.06 | KiDFlaSh | i know |
| 22:52.19 | k0ng | SerajewelKS: but this is a script |
| 22:52.27 | SerajewelKS | facepalm |
| 22:52.30 | stoned | good lord. |
| 22:52.41 | stoned | I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole |
| 22:52.46 | stoned | I'm already running out of pot as it is. |
| 22:52.54 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: man interfaces |
| 22:52.57 | SerajewelKS | k0ng: and read |
| 22:53.09 | stoned | I mean patience. |
| 22:53.12 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:53.36 | Jemt | How do I send the output from 'dpkg --get-selections' (which is written to stdout) to a text file? One can't do this: 'dpkg --get-selections > output.txt' |
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| 22:53.52 | SerajewelKS | stoned: patience must be earned from me |
| 22:54.00 | mischief6 | Jemt, nohup? |
| 22:54.32 | SerajewelKS | Jemt: why could you not do that? |
| 22:54.53 | SerajewelKS | Jemt: isn't that what the > operator is there for? |
| 22:55.36 | Jemt | DOH! it works fine. Not sure what I did wrong |
| 22:55.45 | Jemt | I need to go for a walk once in a while |
| 22:56.07 | SerajewelKS | that's kind of how my whole day has been |
| 22:56.17 | Jemt | hehe |
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| 22:57.47 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, you havent seen my day ;) |
| 22:57.58 | timholum | does anyone know how i retreave variables from my bootloader, i would like to be able to add script=myscript1 or script=myscript2 and have it run that script on startup? |
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| 23:00.34 | dutchfish | Does a module for a daemon should have a manpage (Debian policy)? |
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| 23:02.35 | phix | ata1.00: cmd c8/00:08:7d:04:5d/00:00:00:00:00/e7 tag 0 dma 4096 in res 51/40:00:7f:04:5d/00:00:00:00:00/e7 Emask 0x9 (media error) |
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| 23:03.10 | phix | two drives are displaying this, I find it hard to believe both of my drives have failed at the same time, could this be a power issue? |
| 23:04.07 | dutchfish | phix, are there any other errors accompanieng this? |
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| 23:05.04 | Tramp | timholum: /proc/cmdline |
| 23:05.33 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i have to head home, will be about an hour |
| 23:05.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if you find anything interesting can you /msg me? |
| 23:05.54 | timholum | got it thanks :) |
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| 23:06.29 | SerajewelKS | enouf: if not that's cool too, i appreciate you looking into it |
| 23:06.31 | SerajewelKS | is out |
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| 23:09.00 | phix | dutchfish: there is, but I didn't want to flood this channel, I Will paste it |
| 23:09.13 | dutchfish | phix, ok |
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| 23:10.05 | phix | ~pastebin |
| 23:10.06 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 23:10.48 | phix | http://rafb.net/p/Ls4qc159.html |
| 23:10.53 | phix | dutchfish: it repeats that message |
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| 23:10.59 | phix | it has stopped now though |
| 23:11.14 | phix | it has been working for an hr, but it will start up again. |
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| 23:11.33 | phix | and on next boot up it will complain about filesystem inconsistances |
| 23:11.46 | dutchfish | phix, are that 2 disk devices? |
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| 23:12.04 | phix | it wasn't doing it as much if I had only one drive out of two plgged in |
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| 23:12.17 | phix | dutchfish: 2 SATA drives in RAID1 |
| 23:12.37 | phix | CPU is an AMD something or other, 400Watt power supply :\ |
| 23:12.39 | dutchfish | phix, and not cdrom/dvd atached to the same adapter? |
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| 23:13.07 | phix | I Have a SATA power adapater pluged to a molex connector |
| 23:13.26 | phix | the sata power adapater splits into two sata power plugs |
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| 23:13.46 | dutchfish | phix, this could be DMA related or your adapter is dieing |
| 23:14.14 | phix | I changed adapters and I was still getting the media error messages when both drives where plugged in |
| 23:14.33 | phix | adapter as in power adapter ay |
| 23:14.41 | phix | lol. I thought you meant SATA controller card |
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| 23:14.53 | dutchfish | yes, i meant same controller card |
| 23:15.18 | phix | I changed controller cards, from a SIL something or other to a promise 4 port something |
| 23:15.24 | phix | and same messags |
| 23:15.28 | phix | I didnt change PCI slots though |
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| 23:15.43 | dutchfish | phix, what kernel? |
| 23:15.50 | phix | etch and a half |
| 23:16.14 | dutchfish | phix, 2.6.26-x ? |
| 23:16.20 | phix | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 07:56:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:16.26 | dutchfish | phix, ok |
| 23:16.56 | phix | I updated from revision 4 or revision 6 or 10 or whatever the latest one is now |
| 23:17.23 | phix | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ |
| 23:17.52 | phix | 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400/A] Chipset Host Bridge |
| 23:18.11 | phix | 00:0a.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3512 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 01) |
| 23:18.25 | cafuego | phix: sda is probably broken, or its sata cable. Start by looking at the smatr status via smartctl. |
| 23:18.32 | dutchfish | phix, i am unsure if you have a kernel issue or a faulty adapter |
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| 23:18.42 | dutchfish | cafuego, good idea |
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| 23:18.56 | cafuego | And if smart isn't on; enable it and run a selftest. |
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| 23:19.01 | phix | cafuego: it reports the issue on both drives, but more so if both are plugged in |
| 23:19.13 | phix | ok I will do some smart stuff |
| 23:19.27 | cafuego | Hmmm. If both do it, blame the controller ;-) |
| 23:19.55 | cafuego | hasn't had any issues with SiL controllers though, crappy as they may be. |
| 23:19.57 | phix | cafuego: I have tried a different controller, same issue |
| 23:20.03 | dutchfish | cafuego, prolly, but i know 2.6.24 barked at me once too |
| 23:20.22 | phix | Promise SATA150 TX4 |
| 23:20.26 | phix | was the other one I tried |
| 23:20.32 | dutchfish | cafuego, also with via chipset, lost its DMA now and then |
| 23:20.34 | cafuego | phix: maybe try a different pci slot next, or a different kernel. |
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| 23:21.00 | phix | I dont really want to change kernels :\ although I Have no problem compiling one my seld |
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| 23:21.03 | phix | self |
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| 23:21.18 | dutchfish | phix, i believe 2.6.26 is already in etchandahalf |
| 23:21.47 | dutchfish | phix, http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-kernel%40lists.debian.org |
| 23:21.58 | phix | it is? |
| 23:22.11 | phix | I Will install that then |
| 23:22.17 | dutchfish | phix, just aptitude search linux-image |
| 23:22.29 | hatter | any of you have a script for checking and keeping ppp alive ? |
| 23:22.43 | phix | I am going to plug one of the hard drives into a different computer running Ubuntu, see if it reporst the same problems with the drive |
| 23:22.43 | cafuego | has not had issues with via chipset mobos apart from one melting once |
| 23:23.00 | dutchfish | cafuego, thats even more bad ;) |
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| 23:23.23 | cafuego | dutchfish: It was fine up until that point though :-) |
| 23:23.40 | cafuego | Also, I should possibly blame the PSU, not the mobo |
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| 23:25.21 | kzar | Has anyone had their network go crazy this evening? |
| 23:25.50 | hatter | kzar, aliens testing emp ? |
| 23:26.01 | kzar | I had two Debian boxes networking go a bit mad, wondered if it's just me |
| 23:26.12 | kzar | hatter: it was a serious question |
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| 23:26.39 | hatter | kzar, it is a very vague serious question |
| 23:28.20 | karsten | cafuego: Did you pour water over the Wicked CPU of the West? |
| 23:28.36 | karsten | s/CPU/PSU/ |
| 23:29.26 | stoned | hi |
| 23:29.28 | stoned | im back |
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| 23:29.33 | stoned | whats going on in the world of #debian? |
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| 23:30.34 | cafuego | karsten: Nope... one day it just melted a hole in the mobo power connactor and released the magic blue smoke |
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| 23:32.07 | xota | hello! hwo Can I deactivate my integrated webcam to use a USB webcam? |
| 23:32.13 | gushix | Hi all. When I ssh into a remote machine, somehow the ~/.bash_history doesn't record my commands, unlike when I open a shell locally. any ideas why and where is the history saved? |
| 23:33.18 | hatter | gushix, are you su'ing to root once you are in ? |
| 23:33.30 | gushix | hatter: no. |
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| 23:34.35 | phix | stoned: oh same old, sitting on our hands as usually with the next release :) |
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| 23:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | gushix, $HISTFILE $HISTCONTROL $HISTFILESIZE $HISTSIZE |
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| 23:37.23 | Ajedrez | gushix: the file that save is in the remote machone |
| 23:37.26 | Ajedrez | machine |
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| 23:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | gushix, shopt |egrep 'cmd|hist' |
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| 23:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | gushix, but perhaps it's just not an interactive shell what you get via ssh... for some weird reason |
| 23:38.04 | Jemt | Hm, as I told, I want to hold back kernel updates on Lenny. 'dpkg --get-selections' lists two kernel images though; linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-686. Do I need to mark them both using 'aptitude hold <linux-image>' ? |
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| 23:38.40 | kibibyte | hi |
| 23:38.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, linux-image-2.6-686 should be a meta package |
| 23:38.45 | kibibyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.50 | gushix | ok thanks! i figured it out |
| 23:38.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, dpkg -L linux-image-2.6-686 to see what's in it... |
| 23:39.09 | kibibyte | hlelp |
| 23:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | kelp? Isn't that burnt algae? |
| 23:39.24 | Jemt | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks - but I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to hold back meta packages too or not |
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| 23:39.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, doesn't really matter |
| 23:39.50 | Jemt | CutMeOwnThroat: Okay, super |
| 23:39.53 | zaphands | Hello again everyone! How should I install alsa on a debian lenny with a custom kernel + alsa from source? I don't want to mess up/clutter my system. |
| 23:39.59 | zaphands | Is there another method besides make install? |
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| 23:40.04 | zaphands | How do I make sure not to overwrite files from other packages? |
| 23:40.28 | phix | cafuego: http://rafb.net/p/ctx7wA17.html |
| 23:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, metapackages are there so that the right stuff happens automatically... you're making things happen in a different way anyways, so you'll have to take care of it... |
| 23:40.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell zaphands -about m-a |
| 23:40.59 | phix | m-a <3 |
| 23:41.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | zaphands, alsa IS part of your kernel, though |
| 23:41.19 | phix | m-a a-i <3 <3 |
| 23:41.26 | Jemt | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't follow - take care of it how? Holding back 'linux-image-2.6.26-1-686' should be sufficient, right ? |
| 23:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, I say you deviate from the way things would go, so now it's not automatic anymore, but your responsibility |
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| 23:42.22 | Jemt | CutMeOwnThroat: What is my responsibility? |
| 23:42.39 | Jemt | CutMeOwnThroat: Will I break the system if I hold back kernel updates? |
| 23:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jemt, if you want a different kernel, you'll have to install it yourself |
| 23:43.21 | Jemt | Oh, yes - that's true. But I can always set it to install when I'm ready to update the kernel. I just don't want it to happen automatically as it will break my nVidia driver |
| 23:43.23 | phix | dutchfish, cafuego: any other ideas? based on smart information/? |
| 23:43.32 | phix | I am running a short test atm |
| 23:43.38 | phix | will have results in 2min apparantly |
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| 23:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !metapackages |
| 23:45.14 | dpkg | i heard metapackages is one package that declares dependencies on a whole bunch of others and has nothing in it. its purpose is to make it an easy task to select a lot of packages. |
| 23:45.56 | zaphands | CutMeOwnThroat: but it's not only modules. It's also libraries and utils. If I try to remove them apt wants to remove bsh as well :-S |
| 23:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | zaphands, wtf are you trying to do? If you want/need a newer alsa (kernel modules) version, m-a is the way to go... |
| 23:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you also/only want different userland programs? |
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| 23:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... custom kernel... and why a custom kernel? space? There is rarely need for a custom kernel these days, as all is done with modules |
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| 23:49.44 | dutchfish | phix, ok |
| 23:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as for the userspace programs... isn't any of the packages in the repositories new enough? |
| 23:49.58 | zaphands | I'm simply trying to install alsa from source, but when I do that some configuration files are missing. |
| 23:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why |
| 23:50.19 | zaphands | Because the current lenny doesn't support my sound card. |
| 23:50.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-source |
| 23:50.58 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg-1 |
| 23:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what version do you need? |
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| 23:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | alsa-driver-1.0.18a seems to be the newest, 1.0.18.dfsg-1 is in experimental... |
| 23:52.38 | zaphands | I need 1.0.18rc3 |
| 23:52.43 | zaphands | a bit after 1.0.18 |
| 23:52.49 | zaphands | and I want to use lenny. |
| 23:53.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | experimental is not a full repository... more like a zoo of dangerous packages :-P |
| 23:53.30 | Jemt | Isn't it easier to just buy a new sound card these days? |
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| 23:53.55 | Doug52392 | These days, it's always easier to buy something new... |
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| 23:54.48 | Jemt | Never been cheaper though |
| 23:54.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | zaphands, I guess with a custom kernel you're kind of on your own... - else I'd say you start out from the experimental package of alsa-source, put your newer source in space of the slightly older one, see if something needs fixing and install the result as a package |
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| 23:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Doug52392, wasn't it always easier? It's just cheaper now :) |
| 23:56.10 | Jemt | My point exactly ;) |
| 23:56.26 | phix | dutchfish: ok that seems to be done, it seems to have the same results as what I pasted before |
| 23:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja |
| 23:56.35 | phix | dutchfish: any other ideaS? |
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| 23:56.54 | dutchfish | phix, what did smartmontools reported? |
| 23:57.10 | eflynn | hi, how do i change my shell using nis tools? |
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| 23:57.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | zaphands, staying within the debian system to do things can be quite comfortable.... when you get used to it and don't fight it |
| 23:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | eflynn, chsh doesn't work with nis? |
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| 23:59.11 | phretor | hi there |
| 23:59.16 | eflynn | CutMeOwnThroat, apparently not, it says "eflynn not found in /etc/passwd" |
| 23:59.18 | zaphands | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but since I need to use alsa newer than the experimental I have only one choice: to make install, overwriting files from other packages.. Is there a debian tool to keep track of these changes? |
| 23:59.22 | eflynn | CutMeOwnThroat, when i run chsh |
| 23:59.50 | eflynn | CutMeOwnThroat, this is a box at a local university, all the users are on nis (which i don't know much about) |
| 23:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | zaphands, is your custom kernel a package? |
