IRC log for #debian on 20081231

00:00.34phixdutchfish: this is what it reported --> http://rafb.net/p/NzanFP33.html
00:00.44CutMeOwnThroateflynn, hm, try dpkg -L nis ... I've not used nis in a long time perhaps there's a nis chsh equivalent?
00:01.02zaphandsCutMeOwnThroat: yes. using make-kpkg. but the sources are from www.kernel.org no package for them (at least on lenny).
00:01.30phretorSanta gave me a nice present under the tree: I came back home after 4 months in the US and I found my secondary backup HD completely f*ck'd up (I/O errors). It's an EIDE drive connected through USB 2.0. This is the output of dd_rhelp/dd_rescue: http://pastie.org/349367
00:01.37jamonbeen a while with nis for me too, ypchsh isn't it?
00:01.46CutMeOwnThroatzaphands, well, probably still works - get the source package from experimental and plug in the newer alsa instead of the one you download, then build the module...
00:02.11CutMeOwnThroatzaphands, don't forget to add a line to the changelog with the new version
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00:03.00zaphandsCutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean plug in? overwrite?
00:03.23phretorI am just trying to convince myself that another chance exists to recover some chunks of data. Anyone?
00:03.29CutMeOwnThroateflynn, ah ypchfn of course :)
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00:03.40zaphandsCutMeOwnThroat: don't forget about the libs and utils.. it's not only modules.
00:03.52CutMeOwnThroatzaphands, well, move it away, put your source in... see if any patches still apply
00:03.52eflynnjamon: indeed.  it gives me an error though.  bummer
00:04.12jamonhopefully a different one eflynn?
00:04.24CutMeOwnThroatzaphands, why do you need the libs/utils in one minor version newer? I thought they don't change so fast and stay compatible?
00:04.48dutchfishphix, looks to me like a DMA error either from a kernel thats burps or hardware failure from the controller board, if you swapped controllers and got the same result, my best bet it is the kernel
00:04.54CutMeOwnThroatjamon, damn! and I looked it up :)
00:05.01eflynnjamon: i think the sysadmin is a tard :)
00:05.09zaphandsCutMeOwnThroat: because I already tried installing only the modules and it simply doesn't work. missing config files it says.
00:05.10CutMeOwnThroateflynn, he's running nis....
00:05.12stonedwho is the sysadmin?
00:05.14CutMeOwnThroatsays it all, really
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00:05.19CutMeOwnThroat:-P
00:05.21sputnick_hi there
00:05.26stonedhello
00:05.30eflynnCutMeOwnThroat, what else would you run?
00:05.36eflynnCutMeOwnThroat, nis+?
00:05.50dutchfishphix, you could of coarse boot from a live cd, and check again with smartmon, preferable with a newer kernel
00:06.13CutMeOwnThroateflynn, GOOD question :) ... yeah... I guess so or some LDAP thing.. anything but the "network insecurity system", I guess :)
00:06.35sputnick_I don't figure out why "invoke-rc.d" don't do his job. with alsa-utils that work, but not certains apps like cupsys or vpn
00:06.40eflynnoh yeah, ldap
00:06.41zaphandsok... I'll just try overwriting everything using make install and I hope not to ruin my system...
00:06.54zaphandsgood night everyone. thanks for the advice!
00:06.55sputnick_with /etc/init.d/$foobar that works perfectly
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00:07.06dutchfishphix, also suspect the board itself, did you try swapping the controller in another slot?
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00:09.02lvhYay, new laptop! \o/
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00:09.29lvhThey messed up my order though, no built in WWAN card :-(
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00:10.57CutMeOwnThroateflynn, bah, guess I'm just in a judgmental mood :)
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00:11.06stonedI have a new speaker
00:11.08stoned:D
00:11.11stonedits big
00:11.25CutMeOwnThroateflynn, chfn will work if you can log in to the NIS server, though
00:11.49CutMeOwnThroatstoned, are you sitting on it?
00:12.44CutMeOwnThroatlvh, you can still remove the harddisk and send it back...
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00:13.47lvhCutMeOwnThroat: Well, I just checked the FRU and I'm not exactly sure who messed up anymore. I don't think I *paid* for one.
00:14.00lvhI'll order it later. I get to keep the warranty anyway.
00:14.07lvh(If I fit it myself)
00:14.37stonedCutMeOwnThroat, my whole freaking big screen tv is sitting on it
00:15.01stonedits like a million watts loud
00:15.01CutMeOwnThroatso the image will start shaking if you turn it up... brilliant :-P
00:15.15stonedCutMeOwnThroat, oh... I didn't think about that
00:15.24CutMeOwnThroat"oh another earthquake in China - damn, no, it's the speaker"
00:15.33stonedi have lol
00:15.36stonedheh
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00:18.00NthDegreetime to see if that legendary apt-get dist-upgrade will work on a production server hehe
00:18.23CutMeOwnThroatdepends on what you define as "work"
00:18.26JyZyXELdhclient3 eth0:2 says "Bind socket to interface: No such device"
00:18.30CutMeOwnThroatI bet it will update the packages
00:18.33JemtWhat is 'aptitude hold <package>' good for? Packages are still upgraded, unless you set the package to be held back using 'dpkg --set-selections'
00:18.44JyZyXELi have the device in /etc/network/interfaces
00:18.45SerajewelKSenouf: back
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00:20.32NthDegreeCutMeOwnThroat, work as in not end up like a Windows 98SE -> XP upgrade :P
00:21.10CutMeOwnThroatNthDegree, you can upgrade from 98 to XP?
00:21.20CutMeOwnThroatyou can upgrade at all in windows?
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00:21.27CutMeOwnThroatI thought it's called "reinstall"
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00:22.23NthDegreeCutMeOwnThroat, you can upgrade but it ends up broken and messy
00:24.22CutMeOwnThroat... and it works rather well... you backup your data, format the disk...
00:24.31NthDegreehaha
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00:24.52NthDegreewell the dist-upgrade seems to be working very well so far
00:24.56JyZyXELhow do you creadte a virtual interface?
00:25.03JyZyXELnetwork interface
00:25.21CutMeOwnThroatauto eth0:1
00:25.21CutMeOwnThroatiface eth0:1 inet static
00:25.28CutMeOwnThroat[repeat]
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00:25.40NthDegreeeither that or TUN/TAP stuff
00:25.47NthDegree(which is a pain)
00:25.47JyZyXELCutMeOwnThroat no but i want it to be dynamic
00:25.51JyZyXELnot static
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00:26.00NthDegreeJyZyXEL, that's fine too..
00:26.04NthDegreeswap static with dhcp
00:26.07JyZyXELthen how do you bring it up?
00:26.18NthDegree/etc/init.d/networking restart
00:26.26JyZyXELwon't that cut my connections?
00:26.45NthDegreeit will only change things that have been changed
00:26.48NthDegreeso in theory no
00:26.53CutMeOwnThroathehe
00:26.55JyZyXELu better be right
00:27.23CutMeOwnThroatNthDegree, that was roughly what I wanted to say.. but then decided to shut up :)
00:27.44NthDegreeCutMeOwnThroat, i've learnt to just jump in and if I get it wrong... oh well i'm not paid :P
00:27.48CutMeOwnThroatJyZyXEL, what else... else you'll drop out of irc dramatically? :)
00:27.53JyZyXELyes
00:28.05CutMeOwnThroatNthDegree, hehe, yeah, he can demand his money back in that case
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00:28.42ferret_0567how do I create a new initramfs image with LVM2 support?
00:28.53JyZyXELso i did it?
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00:29.07JyZyXELits not up
00:29.24JyZyXELwhat now?
00:29.35CutMeOwnThroatstill an error?
00:29.39JyZyXELno errors
00:29.44CutMeOwnThroatdid you do ifconfig eth0:1 up?
00:29.49JyZyXELno
00:29.59JyZyXELroot@gateway:~# ifconfig eth0:2 up
00:29.59JyZyXELSIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
00:30.19CutMeOwnThroat!lvm
00:30.19dpkghmm... lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/).  Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/  IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net.
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00:31.05JemtWhat is the _true_ back end for the package management? dpkg? Holding back a package using aptitude works fine - 'aptitude safe-upgrade' will not upgrade packages held back. But Update Manager ignores the Hold flag completely
00:31.09CutMeOwnThroatJyZyXEL, you should first get it to work as static... then worry about dhcp
00:31.09JyZyXELso?
00:31.33CutMeOwnThroatJemt, yes, dpkg
00:31.41JyZyXELhow do i do that?
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00:31.47JemtOkay, so the holding should be done using dpkg. Thanks
00:31.48JyZyXELeth0:1 is static one
00:31.59JyZyXELroot@gateway:~# ifconfig eth0:1 up
00:31.59JyZyXELSIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
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00:32.29NthDegreepastebin the contents of  /etc/network/interfaces for me please =]
00:32.30ferret_0567When I try the "nvidia m-a" factoid instructions suggested by dpkg, there doesn't seem to be a nvidia-kernel-source or nvidia-kernel-common package to install
00:32.36CutMeOwnThroathttps://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi?Gw=SIOCSIFFLAGS%3A+Cannot+assign+requested+address
00:32.43JyZyXELi don't even think ifconfig read the /etc/network/interfaces
00:32.44ferret_0567what are the proper packages to install?
00:32.53NthDegreeJyZyXEL, no but /etc/init.d/networking does
00:32.54JyZyXELso its a completely wrong way
00:33.12CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions nvidia-kernel-source
00:33.13juddCutMeOwnThroat: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 173.14.09-5 experimental/non-free: 177.82-1
00:33.36CutMeOwnThroatferret_0567, it's (obviously) in non-free... got that in your sources.list?
00:33.47ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: oppd
00:33.55ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: I forgot about non-free :(
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00:34.22whistIm not really familiar with autoconf/make and Im getting an error trying to build something
00:34.24CutMeOwnThroatJyZyXEL, there's also ifup...
00:34.34whistpossibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
00:34.47whistplease use m4patternallow
00:35.04JyZyXELlol you are just guessing like i am
00:35.04whistany idea on what I should look at to fix this?
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00:35.20JyZyXELguessing never works
00:35.25NthDegreeJyZyXEL, nope.. he mentioned ifup because that reads the /etc/network/interfaces file
00:35.40NthDegreeJyZyXEL, pastebin the contents of that file for me please =]
00:36.13CutMeOwnThroat"ifconfig eth0:2 192.168.3.51 up"
00:37.26JyZyXELNthDegree http://pastebin.com/d3c2ded96
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00:37.35CutMeOwnThroatJyZyXEL, I have a working 2nd interface on a computer in KA... and of fucking course I'm guessing... you didn't tell us a hell lot, how could I do anything else
00:37.41JyZyXELCutMeOwnThroat ofcorse it works like that
00:37.51JyZyXELnow make it dynamic and we are golden
00:38.43ferret_0567There is no wgetpaste package in Debian, and yet it'
00:38.52ferret_0567it's a great script to have installed
00:38.59CutMeOwnThroatJyZyXEL, the eth0:2 actually looks ok...
00:39.05NthDegreeJyZyXEL, man dhclient
00:39.08CutMeOwnThroatthe eth0:1 is incomplete...
00:39.22JyZyXELhows so
00:39.26NthDegreeyeah the 0:1 wants an auto line
00:39.47NthDegreethe auto indicates the networking script should automatically initialise it
00:39.47ferret_0567I guess pastebinit is a good substitute
00:40.07NthDegreeand dhclient can do what you're after JyZyXEL
00:40.08Jemtdpkg dosn't update 'hold' properly when I change it. It cuts of a lot of the text;  /msg dpkg hold
00:40.08dpkgJemt: You are moron #6
00:40.20NthDegreedpkg is a moron
00:40.20dpkgi haven't a clue, NthDegree
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00:40.22NthDegree:P
00:40.26JemtArgh, it keeps saying that I'm a moron. Fucking crap bot :p
00:40.46JemtI want it to update 'hold' to this:
00:40.49Jemthold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package.  To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface.  You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface.  [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
00:40.59JemtNo, wait - that was the old version
00:41.05Jemtno hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package.  To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface.  You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface.  [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]. Notice that holding
00:41.05Jemt<PROTECTED>
00:41.08CutMeOwnThroatJemt, moron!
00:41.10CutMeOwnThroat:-P
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00:41.16JemtThere, that's supposed to be the new version
00:41.18JemtCutMeOwnThroat: :PP
00:42.01ferret_0567I get errors from m-a when building the nvidia kernel module, how can I fix this?: http://pastebin.com/f48dfc6eb
00:42.33Jemt!admin
00:42.33dpkgadmin is probably like a omnipresent god, or http://home.datacomm.ch/prutishauser/humor/hack/know.ur.sysadmin.html, or and the guy you should always blame for problems with your computer
00:42.45JyZyXELifup eth0:1     works
00:42.45JyZyXELifup eth0:2   doesn't
00:42.52TrampJyZyXEL: dhcp-servers usually don't hand out multiple IPs to the same MAC address. Since your virtual device has (of course) the MAC of your real device and this is already dynamic, what you are trying to do will not work thtat way
00:42.59Jemtdpkg: you are faulty!
00:42.59dpkgI resemble that remark!
00:43.21CutMeOwnThroatheh, man's got a point
00:43.29phixdutchfish: I am using a very new kernel
00:43.29JyZyXELTramp thats where "send dhcp-client-identifier" comes in
00:43.31CutMeOwnThroatthat doesn't explain the error, though
00:44.11JyZyXELdo i gotta add some exception in some script to load up a different dhclient.conf
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00:44.42CutMeOwnThroatferret_0567, try "export LANG=C", rebuild and see if it goes away
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00:46.04TrampJyZyXEL: afaik, you need a "virtual ethernet device pair" (veth driver). Information is sparse. If you get it working, tell us how. Or you may ask in ##networking. I got this information once from a guy there but did not ask for details at the time
00:46.28ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: nope
00:46.44ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: Debian should keep the nvidia-kernel packages up-to-date
00:46.49JyZyXEL##networking has been dead for a loong time
00:47.02JyZyXELbut thanks for the search phrase
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00:47.33TrampJyZyXEL: no, it's not. I'm there daily. You just have to be patient.
00:47.48JyZyXELdoesn't work
00:48.05ferret_0567OMFG, why won't the kernel module build?
00:48.08grulas
00:48.08gruld
00:48.29grulsorry i wrong my windows and i was pissed like an ant!!!!!!!!!!
00:48.45phixgrul: haha
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00:49.18CutMeOwnThroatJemt, it's too long... and that's why you're a moron ;) - make it shorter... you might also be able to add to the existing factoid by saying "xxx is also whatever" - but that still might become truncated when dpkg is asked for it
00:49.40JemtCutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I realized that. The problem has been corrected ;)
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00:49.59CutMeOwnThroatferret_0567, didn't all those funny chars you pasted go away with LANG=C?
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00:51.21CutMeOwnThroatalthough... they are indeed the quotes from the error, not from the file
00:51.26CutMeOwnThroatstill, looks weird
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00:52.10ELPCHello
00:52.13ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: yes
00:52.21ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/f4ddffc34
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00:52.29ELPCI have a problem with lenny
00:52.30ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: the error is still there though :(
00:52.39ELPCMy debian menu freeze
00:52.48ELPCApplication and clock
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00:53.36phixELPC: awesome
00:53.37phixELPC: I wish mine did that
00:54.00CutMeOwnThroatferret_0567, you ran m-a, didn't you?
00:54.09ELPCI dont find the solution
00:54.13CutMeOwnThroatdid you run m-a prepare before?
00:54.20ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: yes
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00:55.35FirkyHi
00:55.58Firkywhy am I banned from ubuntu ?
00:56.04ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: how can I get this to work?
00:56.09phixI cant get my Netgear wireless card working, madwifi / artherors chipset
00:56.14CutMeOwnThroatferret_0567, did you do the stuff from the "nvidia m-a" factoid?
00:56.15ELPCphix can you help me
00:56.19ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: yes
00:56.52CutMeOwnThroatwhat kernel is it, btw
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00:56.55ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: not from the page on the Debian Wiki though
00:57.00orgthingyhmm
00:57.02ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: my own custom-built one
00:57.04orgthingywhat about the OFTC channel?
00:57.09orgthingyhttp://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604
00:57.12CutMeOwnThroatoh
00:57.46Firkycan anyone help me/??
00:57.58NthDegreeis there a debian way of doing IPTables?  Or is it a job for ip[6]tables-restore in an /etc/rc.local?
00:58.40orgthingyFirky : what do you want?
00:58.46phixELPC: I could
00:58.58phixELPC: although i have problems of my own to sort out too :(
00:59.04ELPCI have a frozen gnome menu and clock
00:59.14ferret_0567Firky: please go to #ubuntu-ops to discuss your problem
00:59.16phixplus I need to go up the street and buy a fload of alcohol
00:59.20NthDegreeELPC, pkill -9 gnome-panel
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00:59.26NthDegreeit will reload itself
00:59.33NthDegreethen it will be unfrozen =]
00:59.41orgthingyferret_0567 ; ubuntu?
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00:59.58NthDegreeferret_0567, who'd he annoy?
01:00.01NthDegreelol
01:00.04ferret_0567NthDegree: I dunno
01:00.14phixnew years eve today :D, 4 hrs til the drinking begins! hopefully I will be out of this channel by then, if not then expect to get alot of wierd messages in here :)
01:00.51ferret_0567phix: :(
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01:00.56CutMeOwnThroatwell, but what kernel?
01:01.02ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: me?
01:01.07CutMeOwnThroatyeah
01:01.22ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: that one ^
01:01.29ferret_0567opps
01:01.32ferret_0567Linux powerlinux64 2.6.28-301208+br #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Dec 30 16:49:06 CST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
01:01.35ferret_0567there
01:01.43CutMeOwnThroathttp://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=471098
01:01.51phixferret_0567: :(
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01:02.48CutMeOwnThroatferret_0567, well, there's no 2.6.28 in Debian yet - and no guarantee that nvidia-source still builds against 2.6.28
01:03.06ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: well, can't I make a newer version of the nvidia-kernel-source package?
01:03.30ferret_0567CutMeOwnThroat: I want to know how to do that
01:03.33orgthingyquestion
01:03.39orgthingywhy are you guys still here?
01:03.46ferret_0567orgthingy: what guys?
01:03.47orgthingythe official Debian channel is @ OFTC
01:03.54craigevilferret_0567: try using http://smxi.org/
01:03.58Guerinorgthingy: so?
01:04.01orgthingyhttp://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604  since 2 years
01:04.10orgthingyGuerin : Why not go to official channel i mean?
01:04.18Guerinorgthingy: why go to one channel?
01:04.20NthDegreeorgthingy, OFTC sucks? :P
01:04.28orgthingythis was official channel, but then they moved to oftc
01:04.32orgthingyand you didnt move with em xD?
01:04.34NthDegreeFreenode "just works"
01:04.36castingcrownsHello, Im trying to install debian off a cd made from "debian-40r6-i386-kde-CD-1.iso " and I get an error when trying to detect my disk drives. It seems to not be able to find them, lol
01:04.49NthDegreeand err.. we love christel XD
01:04.50Guerinorgthingy: some went, some are in both at once, some didn't. diversity is valuable
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01:05.10NthDegreeorgthingy, the move to OFTC was a bad one
01:05.12craigevilorgthingy:  there are usually more people here than in oftc
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01:05.39orgthingyNthDegree : heh
01:05.43CutMeOwnThroatcan't we have a nice, informal chat wherever we want? :)
01:05.46orgthingychristel is busy these days though, haha
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01:06.17NthDegreeorgthingy, compiling software *hides*
01:06.24ferret_0567craigevil: what can I use that for?
01:06.33craigevilto install nvidia :)
01:06.34orgthingyhaha, NthDegree
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01:07.11ryanCHhow can i see about having an app, added to the distribution?
01:07.14ferret_0567craigevil: does it use that piece of crap nvidia installer from nvidia.com?
01:07.45GuerinryanCH: google debian rfp
01:07.48craigevilyes it uses the nvidia way but it works
01:08.02orgthingyit works == <3
01:08.08orgthingyopensource + not works == -.-
01:08.12ferret_0567craigevil: so...can I uninstall the nvidia driver later with dpkg?
01:08.14orgthingythats how I think xD
01:08.27debCarlosis there any way to pass a password to sudo as argument? Something like sudo shutdown -h now --password 12345
01:08.52NthDegreeryanCH, ask that question in #debian-devel - the developers can give you good sound information on that
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01:09.01ryanCHok
01:09.08craigevilferret_0567:  never had to uninstall it not sure, smxi will uninstall it and reset xorg to nv if you have any issues
01:09.10orgthingydevelopers are still in freenode?
01:09.10GuerindebCarlos: think about that really hard and you'll see why it's a damned-fool idea
01:09.14NthDegreeryanCH, Debian has a load of policies and stuff so the developers and maintainers are the best people to ask
01:09.18NthDegreeorgthingy, yeah
01:09.26Guerinorgthingy: developers are wherever they care to be
01:09.33orgthingyah, so devs didnt move to oftc :p
01:09.35NthDegreeorgthingy, OFTC may be "official" but it's not really "preferred" :P
01:09.40Guerinorgthingy: some went, some are in both at once, some didn't. diversity is valuable
01:09.41orgthingythen the move is pointless
01:09.48orgthingyNthDegree : then why did they move in first place?
01:09.59NthDegreeorgthingy, political stuff if I recall
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01:10.07Guerinorgthingy: are you getting the impression yet that the project isn't run as a dictatorship[ where everyone does what they're told?
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01:10.22NthDegreefreenode has had quite a bit of bad press in the past
01:10.32orgthingyGuerin : no no, i mean why did thy divide if not all agreed :p ?
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01:10.41orgthingypress?
01:10.44orgthingyis confused now xD
01:10.46craigevilfreenode also gets spammed like crap as well
01:10.48Guerinorgthingy: do you think 100% agreement should be necessary for anything to change?
01:10.54NthDegree"press" is probably the wrong word
01:11.14bolthasn't experienced any spam here, compared to what's to find at other networks
01:11.21pipeline_orgthingy: because freenode was run by some very unethical people at one time
01:11.21NthDegreebut google around and you'll see loads of things about Rob Levin and such, accusations of being a fraudster and such
01:11.40pipeline_NthDegree: accusations, documented proof, however you want to put it :X
01:11.42orgthingypipelien_ : ok, thats new..
01:11.57pipeline_orgthingy: no, it's old, because it's ancient history... and as far as I know freenode isn't that way anymore.
01:12.00NthDegreepipeline_, I don't trust the info since it came from ED
01:12.13orgthingyis that why GNAA hated lilo so much :p ?
01:12.15pipeline_NthDegree: riiiiight
01:12.20NthDegreeand "bantown"
01:12.25castingcrownsCan someone please help me install debian? the installer cant seem to detect my harddrives.
01:12.42boltcastingcrowns: tell us about your setup then
01:12.43NthDegreecastingcrowns, if you're on etch's installer try testing
01:12.49debCarlosGuerin: yes, i know it's a foold idea, but sometimes i really need to do something like that :S
01:13.01NthDegreethe kernel on etch is rather old and lacks support for AHCI SATA and other things
01:13.05GuerindebCarlos: learn to use sudo. Man sudoers.
01:13.07castingcrownsetch is the stable on right?
01:13.13NthDegreeyeah etch is stable
01:13.34NthDegreetesting will be released as stable soon, it's at RC stage
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01:13.37NthDegreeso try that
01:13.42castingcrownsyes, this is the one I am using. doesnt seem to stable to me though if it cant see common sata drives
01:13.46debCarlosok, thanks Guerin :)
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01:14.05NthDegreecastingcrowns, it can't see AHCI SATA because support wasn't around for it at the time
01:14.07boltcastingcrowns: the "common sata harddrives" are probably not the problem. the sata card probably is
01:14.12NthDegreeWindows Server 2003 and XP have the same problem
01:14.28NthDegreeas does RHEL
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01:14.56castingcrownsbolt: How can I get it to detect them then?
01:14.56ReKlipzis it possible to use the BCM4312 wireless chipset with debian lenny and the native b43 driver? I've got the firmware installed properly, the kernel driver just isn't picking up the card for some reason...
01:14.58NthDegreeTesting has a kernel which has more support for different SATA controllers as it's newer
01:15.08NthDegreecastingcrowns, try testing since it's kernel is newer
01:15.30NthDegreeor use etch-and-a-half
01:15.34NthDegreewhich has a newer kernel too
01:15.37castingcrownsIsnt testing unstable though? Or it it besically as stabke as stabe...but with newer stuff.
01:15.44NthDegreeit's at RC stage
01:15.50NthDegreeso it's as stable as stable pretty much
01:16.00castingcrownsok, Ill give that a try then.
01:16.05pipeline_castingcrowns: "testing" is hypothetically releasable at any time.  That's the idea, anyway - it doesn't always live up to that ;)
01:16.13ReKlipzlenny is frozen at the moment, it is becoming more and more stable with every passing day. I use it for production at work and home for the past 2 months
01:16.21castingcrownsahh
01:16.24NthDegreethe current testing release (lenny) is scheduled for release in early 2009
01:16.48castingcrownsis lenny the testing version?
01:16.48NthDegreewas scheduled for 2008 but they want to iron out some more bugs first
01:16.51NthDegreeyeah
01:16.55NthDegreelenny == testing still
01:16.57JemtI use Testing too (used it for about 2½ week). Havn't expirenced any problems at all
01:17.03castingcrownsnvmind..ill just read up on the naming pattern on the site.
01:17.10CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, you probably don't ... why don't you tell us what you really want to do?
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01:17.55debCarlosCutMeOwnThroat: ok, i want to download a large file and turn off my computer after that
01:18.05CutMeOwnThroatJemt, but as mentioned, testing is frozen now
01:18.19JemtCutMeOwnThroat: yes?
01:18.27CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, write a wrapper that shuts it down....
01:18.54boltdebCarlos: or read up on the /etc/sudoers file, to make it not ask for a password when you run the shutdown command :)
01:18.54CutMeOwnThroatJemt, normally all kinds of new stuff gets into testing, but not within the last 3 weeks :)
01:18.58JemtdebCarlos: wget http://domain.com/myfile.zip && halt
01:18.59debCarlosCutMeOwnThroat: how ?
01:19.05NthDegreeJemt, it may not always be stable is what he's saying
01:19.15JemtCutMeOwnThroat: Oh! That's good newz. So we are almost there :D
01:19.18NthDegreein this case it is because it will be release stable soon
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01:19.40castingcrownsok, now I feel stupid. Where can I find a download for "testing"? I cant seem to find it on the debian site.
01:19.42CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, probably preferrably in perl... I called it "sd" (shutdown) for my laptop, where I was too lazy to become root for every shutdown
01:20.01boltsudo has a nopasswd feature dammit
01:20.22CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, if you don't have any special security things installed, that prevent it, chmod u+s will make the file run as it's owner (i.e. root), not as the one who calls it
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01:20.52castingcrownsAhhh, found them.
01:21.36debCarlosCutMeOwnThroat: nop, i don't have any. Do you still have it?
01:21.50debCarlosi mean, the wrapper ?
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01:22.13karmatronichi buddies
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01:22.22CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, yes, but don't have my laptop here... but its kinda as in #!/usr/bin/perl <newline> system('/sbin/shutdown')
01:22.29CutMeOwnThroatops
01:22.35debCarlos:)
01:22.47debCarlosi'll try that, thanks
01:22.51CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos,  #!/usr/bin/perl <newline> system('/sbin/shutdown','-hf','now')
01:22.56bolt...
01:22.59CutMeOwnThroatforgot the options to shutdown :)
01:23.09debCarlosok
01:23.13ferret_0567craigevil: thanks for the suggestion to use that script
01:23.25CutMeOwnThroatbolt, :)
01:23.28craigevilgot it working?
01:23.51CutMeOwnThroatcan't stand sudo myself :)
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01:24.34boltsudo chuck_norris --roundhouse CutMeOwnThroat
01:24.59ferret_0567craigevil: yes
01:25.06debCarlosCutMeOwnThroat: it said Can't do setuid (cannot exec sperl)
01:25.42CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, got perl-suid installed?
01:25.58CutMeOwnThroat(that's the good about using perl - perl got perl-suid)
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01:26.05debCarlosups.. sorry :)
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01:26.50jmdHow am I supposed to use the libgtk2.0-0-dbg ? It's README file is just the generic GTK blurb.
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01:27.12CutMeOwnThroatbolt, nice, didn't understand a word of this
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01:27.29ferret_0567why is Debian Lenny so out-of-date when it comes to GNOME?
01:27.47Guerinferret_0567: because it's about to be released as stable.
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01:27.48CutMeOwnThroatdebCarlos, also, you might want to test it first.... (possibly using /bin/id instead of sudo)
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01:28.29edison04Help how can i check the integridy of an SATA hard disk ?
01:28.31ferret_0567how can I get GNOME 2.24 on lenny?
01:28.33debCarlosCutMeOwnThroat: yes, i was thinking that too :)
01:28.54CutMeOwnThroatops
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01:29.01craigevil2.24 isnt even in sid you would have to build it or pull it from exp
01:29.04CutMeOwnThroatid's /usr/bin/id
01:29.16ferret_0567craigevil: what? Ubuntu, Gentoo, and others have 2.24
01:29.21ferret_0567why not Debian?
01:29.36craigevilbecaue debians focus is on stable not bleeding edge
01:29.59Jemtferret_0567: What do you need from Gnome 2.24 that is not in 2.22 ?
01:30.07JemtSorry, 2.14
01:30.25Guerinferret_0567: the release is about to become stable. After that happens a lot of stuff will begin to flow again.
01:30.31Guerinsuch as kde4
01:30.32ferret_0567Guerin: ah
01:30.41JemtNo, wait. 2.22 is in Lenny
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01:30.53ferret_0567Guerin: ok then, so I guess I should get GNOME 2.24 soon, then
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01:31.26hatterwhat is an easy to determine in a script if ppp0 is up ?
01:31.28Guerinferret_0567: but basically, during the freeze, all the dev time is taken up by the release - and dumping a few hundred gnome or kde packages into sid or lenny now would mean it'd never release
01:31.33hatter'easy way'
01:31.33Guerinferret_0567: FSVO soon.
01:31.38Jemtferret_0567: From a backport maybe. New versions of programs are not added - only patches
01:31.57ferret_0567Jemt: really?
01:31.59Guerinferret_0567: you'd want to upgrade to lenny+1 for the new gnome
01:32.08Guerinyes, because once released lenny will never change
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01:32.18ferret_0567Guerin: I will as soon as it's released
01:32.25Jemtferret_0567: That's how Debian stays so stable
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01:33.33EnderMBI'm trying to learn more about the theory behind Operating Systems in general, so I've decided to buy either Operating Systems Concepts by A. Silberschatz or Modern Operating Systems by Andrew Tanenbaum. Do any of you guys/girls have any recommendations on the two?
01:33.33craigevilferret_0567:  just use testing rather than lenny in your sources.list and you will track testing and not lenny when it becomes stable
01:34.09shivrajEnderMB: Tanenbaum is good
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01:34.34ferret_0567craigevil: ah, ok
01:34.35jmdEnderMB, Both are good.  You might like to consider Stallings too.
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01:34.53EagleScreeni have installed Debian lenny + Gnome
01:35.00EnderMBA lot of people claim that the Dino book (OSC) is the best one, but everyone seems to praise Tanenbaum, so I'm a bit unsure
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01:35.25EnderMBI've only got 12 days until my final exam on Operating Systems, so not enough time to carefully read through both books
01:35.26Guerin!lenny pool
01:35.26dpkgit has been said that lenny pool is Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet.
01:35.37jmdEnderMB, I'm not sure that "Everyone" praises Tanenbaum.  Remember the flame war between he and Torvalds?
01:35.42Guerin!lenny pool 1
01:35.42dpkgit has been said that lenny pool 1 is ! rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25.  PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15
01:36.00EnderMBYeah, which is why I thought this would be the ideal place to ask
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01:36.11EagleScreeni have installed PulseAudio for sound server, now i want to can play a sound with "aplay file.wav" (alsa) at the same time Totem is playing audio.
01:36.12jmdEnderMB, ... or RMS says about him ...
01:36.14shivrajEnderMB: it wont tell you how a kernel is made, for that you will have to read the linux kernel source, it just describes a kernel as the CORE ... :)
01:36.22NthDegreedpkg what is listkeys lenny pool
01:36.23dpkgNthDegree: what are you talking about?
01:36.30NthDegreedpkg, listkeys lenny pool
01:36.31dpkgFactoid search of 'lenny pool' by key (2): lenny pool 1 ;; lenny pool.
01:36.52NthDegreedpkg, lenny bet
01:36.52dpkgto add a bet to the lenny pool, /msg dpkg lenny pool 2 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when lenny pool 2 is filled create lenny pool 3 and update this factoid.
01:37.19Tramp!tell NthDegree about msg the bot
01:37.33EnderMBI've read a bit of Operating Systems in Linux by John O'Gorman to get a feel of Linux and the concepts using the Linux source, but a lot of the theory in that book was poorly laid out
01:37.49EagleScreeni have done a Debian installation, how can I send a installation report?
01:38.27EagleScreenSysinfo for 'kairi': Linux 2.6.26-1-amd64 running , CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)DualCPUT2390@1.86GHz at 800 MHz (3724 bogomips), HD: 21/162GB, RAM: 665/2006MB, 113 proc's, 39.19min up
01:38.55jmdEagleScreen, mail -s "Installation Report" root@localhost < `echo Everything worked fine`
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01:40.10GuerinEagleScreen: run `reportbug installation-reports'
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01:42.49EagleScreenwhen reporting an installation report, is sent any file, log or system information to Debian?
01:44.18dondelelcaroEagleScreen: yes
01:44.31dondelelcaroEagleScreen: but you should be allowed to review it, iirc.
01:45.22CutMeOwnThroathttp://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug
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01:46.31GuerinEagleScreen: google `debian installation report'
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01:46.52Guerinoh, CMOT got there
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01:50.34CutMeOwnThroatGuerin, I'm SO ahead of you :)
01:50.58CutMeOwnThroatbut actually dpkg knows about it as well
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01:54.01amitzI want to add more info on the documentation of: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/apds03.html.en#id2862323 . what to google?
01:56.21dondelelcaroamitz: see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/
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01:57.10amitzdondelelcaro: thx
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02:22.30EagleScreensome applications (usually KDE applications) try to call 'aplay file.wav' to play its sounds, can I configure all to use esdplay instead of aplay??
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02:25.52kzarJust to warn everyone there is an exploit going around for Roundcube that script kiddies are using, I just got hacked so if you use roundcube watch out
02:27.24AceLankzar: i use roundcube, too. Thanks for the info.
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02:27.51CrazyTuxWhats the deal with ~/.ssh/known_hosts (hostnames being encrypted) and how can I generate / add a new "known host" to this file.
02:28.49kzarAceLan: http://milw0rm.com/exploits/7553 is the exploit, if you want to read about it.
02:29.37AceLankzar: many thanks
02:30.33kzarnps
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02:32.56weirdooh hi
02:33.17weirdowhen installing packages with apt-get, it sits a lot at the "reading database" state
02:33.33weirdoany way i could compact/GC the berkeley DB so it's not dog slow anymore?
02:33.46weirdoor maybe it's only dependent on packages, i.e. having too many?
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02:37.47CutMeOwnThroatget a better mirror?
02:38.19CutMeOwnThroatuh... sorry... reading database is local
02:39.32CutMeOwnThroatCrazyTux, I don't have encrypted hostnames there
02:40.04CrazyTuxCutMeOwnThroat: actually, I was having a blank moment its not known_hosts, it is authorized_keys I was looking for
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02:40.45CutMeOwnThroateasy pie
02:40.54CutMeOwnThroatthere are no hostnames in authorized keys... only keys
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02:41.19CutMeOwnThroatwell, there is, but it
02:41.27CutMeOwnThroat's "*" in my one
02:42.28weirdouh, any ideas?
02:42.51kunwon1weirdo, i'm pretty sure apt-get is about as fast as it can be
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02:43.55kunwon1it's one of the cornerstones of any debian installation, if there were more optimizations that could be done easily, they'd probably be done by default
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02:45.00weirdoit's a BDB
02:45.12weirdothere are 1.7k packages on my system
02:45.17weirdoit's a desktop
02:45.26weirdodunno why reading from bdb is that slow
02:45.41weirdooh, and the partition is encrypted through loop fs, probably badly fragmented, two levels of fragmentation
02:45.54weirdoi didn't even preallocate
02:46.36weirdooh wait, disregard that, the package DB is not encrypted
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02:50.06CutMeOwnThroatand known hosts get added automatically...
02:51.20ReKlipzI'm running debian lenny on my laptop, and have a question about using HAL and Xserver.  If I set the ServerFlag "AllowEmptyInput" to "true", and remove "Input" Sections, X ought to pick up the keyboard and mouse from HAL, correct?  I did this, and now I have no input.  Did I do something wrong, or am I misunderstanding how it's supposed to work?
02:52.07CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, forget /.ssh/authorized_keys <- #del#
02:52.07dpkgCutMeOwnThroat: i forgot /.ssh/authorized_keys <- #del#
02:52.44shingenhow much of a pain is it to make your own initramfs ?
02:54.25CutMeOwnThroatdepends :)
02:54.56CutMeOwnThroatcan be as simple as calling update-initramfs -k 2.6.26-1-686 -u
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02:55.43shingenCutMeOwnThroat: where would the original file be located?
02:56.06CutMeOwnThroat/boot/
02:56.19CutMeOwnThroatdoh!
02:56.28shingenso after modifying /usr/share/initfstools, I should be able to just run update-initramfs -u ?
02:56.36washhi! is there a way to define an ip(v6) address somewhere and have it added to a specific interface everytime it is brought on via ifconfig?
02:57.11CutMeOwnThroatshingen, yeah, guess so... only had to do it once or twice, so I'm a bit hazy on the details
02:57.30dios_miohow can change my default browser from epiphany to iceweasal?
02:57.39shingenCutMeOwnThroat: rebooting now, I hope this works... I've been trying to get fakeraid working for hours now
02:58.12CutMeOwnThroat<PROTECTED>
02:58.20CutMeOwnThroatwhat /usr/share/initfstools? I don't have that
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02:59.15shingenerm, /usr/share/initramfs-tools even
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03:00.49CutMeOwnThroatI actually start wondering why my machine boots :)
03:01.34shingenI've been making changes to scripts to no avail, issues with ubuntu 8.10 and I've finally given up on the folks in #ubuntu as they don't know anything this low level
03:01.36CutMeOwnThroatguess there's only one way to find out if it worked
03:02.04craigevilCutMeOwnThroat:  i was wondering that about my eee, since /etc/fstab is blank  :) i figure if it works why worry
03:02.16CutMeOwnThroatcraigevil, haha...
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03:02.31CutMeOwnThroatcraigevil, quick, write something in it, before your system realizes this can't work
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03:02.57craigevilhad it since feb no problems
03:02.59castingcrownsWhat is the best package manager to be using in debian?
03:03.04CutMeOwnThroatany moment now...
03:03.10craigevilcastingcrowns: aptitude
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03:07.48shingencrap, initramfs is updated, but this stupid thing still fails to detect my partitions... yet, while in initramfs, if i run dmraid -ay manually, I see my partitions in /dev/mapper just fine
03:08.37shingenanyone know of a channel that might know more about the initramfs sequence of init scripts?
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03:09.07mikegriffinis there a way to tell when a package was installed?
03:09.26mikegriffindpkg -p does not seem to have this information
03:09.26dpkgmikegriffin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
03:10.10CutMeOwnThroatso what's so great about eeepc
03:11.07mikegriffinthe full size keyboard
03:11.10mikegriffinwait it lacks that
03:11.21CutMeOwnThroatheh
03:11.26newsense_CutMeOwnThroat, from what i know about them they are very cheap and come with ubuntu installed
03:11.34CutMeOwnThroatmikegriffin, I don't think you can...
03:11.50CutMeOwnThroatXandros, according to dpkg
03:11.50newsense_toys r us here in chicago had one for $250.00
03:12.07petemcthey were one of the first 'netbooks'
03:12.14mikegriffinthere are times that I think rpm is superior to dpkg.. i like apt over yum though :)
03:12.22petemcmikegriffin: why?
03:12.26newsense_with like a 7' screen
03:12.31petemcmikegriffin: do you do a lot of packaging?
03:12.40mikegriffina lot of using them :_
03:12.44jamonmikegriffin: /var/log/apt/term.log
03:12.57mikegriffinjamon: thats good until it rotates out
03:13.00jamonparse those logs
03:13.10jamonso edit logrotate?
03:13.28mikegriffinno timestamps anyway
03:14.00CutMeOwnThroateh?
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03:14.10mikegriffinhas anyone ever requested some of the rpm features be ported to dpkg?
03:14.17CutMeOwnThroatwhat do you call "Log started: 2008-12-02  16:00:06", then?
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03:14.38jamonwhat CutMeOwnThroat said :)
03:15.21mikegriffinok what if a package was manually installed with dpkg -i
03:15.29mikegriffinits not what i want, but thanks
03:15.32CutMeOwnThroatjamon, but good one, wasn't aware of that log... although it could be even more useful, it would have come in handy in times...
03:15.52jamonthere's /var/log/aptitude too
03:16.07CutMeOwnThroatthere's also dpkg.log
03:16.07jamonand dpkg supports --log
03:16.19CutMeOwnThroatoh the joy of never-yet-browsed logfiles
03:16.57mikegriffini think i am going to have to make some dpkg feature requests if i am to continue supporting debian
03:16.58jamonhehe, i finally edited my logwatch config to quiet things down a little, was getting spammed by myself
03:17.01SerajewelKSwhat would be a good choice for a filesystem on a device that will be shared between windows and linux?
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03:17.20CutMeOwnThroatvfat?
03:17.31SerajewelKSi usually go with fat but the 4gb file limit is obnoxious
03:17.34mikegriffini would say ntfs
03:17.37SerajewelKSand it's not the most efficient
03:17.47mikegriffinor ext3
03:18.01CutMeOwnThroatuh.. how many files with >4GB do you have?
03:18.01jamonthink windows only has an ext2 driver no?
03:18.20mikegriffinCutMeOwnThroat: raw video gets there quick
03:18.23SerajewelKSwell i don't want to have to install an ext driver on someone's random xp box when i want to use it
03:18.44SerajewelKSotherwise i would go ext for sure
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03:18.50monokromehi =]
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03:19.13mikegriffinSerajewelKS: then ntfs, i would rather linux write to ntfs than windows driver to ext3
03:19.21mikegriffinfat is for suckers
03:19.27SerajewelKSmmm
03:19.30monokromeI am trying to make my domain controller work... It has been two weeks that I've been messing with it. Does anyone have time to look at my config and maybe help me figure out why it's write protected? =]
03:19.46monokrome( I can't delete icons on my desktop, and such )
03:20.20CutMeOwnThroathow well does the fuse ntfs driver work?
03:20.44mikegriffini have not done a whole lot of writing but it seems to be ok, reads have worked for many years
03:20.58CutMeOwnThroatyeah
03:21.05SerajewelKSi think the ntfs-ng driver (the one in the kernel nowadays) is pretty safe for writing
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03:21.12CutMeOwnThroatand the two times I used writes, it didn't wreck the whole disk... promising, eh?
03:21.13mikegriffinSerajewelKS: thats the one i used
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03:22.19SerajewelKSbah
03:22.25SerajewelKSstupid HAL doesn't know how to mount ntfs
03:23.01mikegriffinSerajewelKS: woah you got the 9000?
03:23.14newsense_SerajewelKS, aptitude install ntfs-3g
03:23.16SerajewelKSerm?
03:23.31abrotmanthe kernel knows how to read ntfs
03:23.32SerajewelKSmikegriffin: the who what?
03:23.34mikegriffinterrible joke about HAL 9000
03:23.36abrotmanhe's saying HAL doesn't know
03:23.36mikegriffinsorry
03:23.40SerajewelKSahaha
03:23.46newsense_hal should be able to mount it no ?
03:24.16abrotmanwell, since SerajewelKS is being vague .. hard to tell
03:24.28SerajewelKSabrotman: well that's cause HAL is being vague
03:24.41abrotmanSerajewelKS: using gnome?
03:24.50SerajewelKSthese newfangled userspace dbus thingamajigs tend to obscure information quite well
03:24.54SerajewelKSabrotman: yes
03:24.57craigevilsorry Dave I can't do that
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03:25.09abrotmanSerajewelKS: when i try to load my ntfs partition .. nautilus barks back
03:25.14CutMeOwnThroatmikegriffin, "hal is vague" - if you're right, thats a bad, bad sign
03:25.25abrotmanInvalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'FOO'.
03:25.30abrotmanSerajewelKS: like that ?
03:25.32SerajewelKSCutMeOwnThroat: was that supposed to be to me?
03:25.38SerajewelKSabrotman: pretty much
03:25.59abrotmanSerajewelKS: but the mount options are correct in the fstab ?
03:26.13SerajewelKSabrotman: not using fstab
03:26.22SerajewelKSHAL is supposed to deal with removable volumes much nicer
03:26.30SerajewelKSthough apparently it decided it would rather not this time
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03:27.11abrotmanyay!
03:27.42CutMeOwnThroatSerajewelKS, no
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03:29.44SerajewelKSdoing it on the command-line with gnome-mount, i get this lovely message:  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.InvalidMountOption : The option 'locale=en_US.UTF-8' is not allowed for uid=1000
03:30.48abrotmanbesides that ntfs wouldn't understand a locale ?
03:31.09kingsleyHow does one tell whether a given computer is using alsa, jack, esd, etc...
03:31.32mrwilljack and esd are daemons
03:31.37abrotmani think you mean jackd
03:31.42SerajewelKSabrotman: *shrug* i wouldn't know but something here seems pretty dense, and i don't think it's me...
03:31.43mrwillso you could check if they are running
03:32.19mrwillalsa's part of the kernel, could lsmod to check modules
03:32.26abrotmanSerajewelKS: see .. i figure the less my OS touches filesystems it doesn't know much about is probably a better thing :)
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03:34.25SerajewelKSwell installing ntfs-3g did work
03:34.28SerajewelKSwho the hell knows why
03:34.38SerajewelKSnewsense_: thanks
03:35.01newsense_no problem :)
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03:36.52newsense_ntfs-3g is a driver used to write to read and write to ntfs filesystems
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03:37.31stonedhm
03:37.41newsense_uses the fuse module as well
03:37.59kingsleymrwill: Thanks. Perhaps this would reveal the sound software...
03:38.12kingsleymrwill: ( ps aux ; lsmod ) | egrep -i "gstreamer|alsa|jack|esd|sound|audio|arts|oss|pulse" | less
03:38.13SweetandyI wish that the ndiswrapper website were up. My Wifi card needs help.
03:38.37SerajewelKSoh but fuck i forgot
03:38.40SerajewelKSfuse sucks ass
03:38.57SerajewelKSor at least on my box it does
03:39.15SerajewelKStrue to the last 10 times i've tried to use encfs, writing to the fs immediately triggered a kernel panic
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03:41.08abrotmanthe point is that it should work to read with the kernel driver
03:41.29SerajewelKSthe point of using -3g is write
03:41.41SerajewelKSeither way something is seriously fucked up if writing to a fuse fs causes a panic
03:41.43abrotmanare you trying to write, or just read ?
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03:41.47SerajewelKSa fuse fs*
03:41.59stonedcheck for bugs
03:41.59SerajewelKSabrotman: it doesn't matter whether i use ntfs-3g or encfs or sshfs or whatever
03:42.14abrotmani meant the ntfs drive .. not the fuse crap
03:42.18zinxSerajewelKS: sounds like something's wrong with your kernel and/or kernel module
03:42.18stonedits probably a bug or something in fuse itself
03:42.29zinxSerajewelKS: compiled with different options and/or compiler
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03:42.59SerajewelKSzinx: i'm using stock 2.6.24 with the fuse driver in the same package
03:43.01stonedyou don't have to use fuse to read from ntfs, if you just want to read, use linux ntfs driver
03:43.21SerajewelKSstoned: what am i gonna read off of a brand new external drive :P
03:43.22stonedonly for writing, should you use ntfs-3g
03:43.32SerajewelKSthe point is to put my music and shit on there
03:43.37stonedso why ntfs?
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03:43.53stonedthats the worst possible chocie
03:44.07stonedconsidering there are native linux ext2 read/write drivers avail for windows
03:44.08SerajewelKSbecause ext requires windows drivers and vfat sucks ass
03:44.35magyarhi, is there a way to generate a CA with CA.pl without PEM pass phrase?
03:44.43SerajewelKSi doubt my friends will want me installing an ext driver on their boxes when i want to watch a movie
03:44.46stonedyeh.. downloading a setup.exe and running it soo much hard work...
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03:45.23SerajewelKSand what about work where we can't install stuff?
03:45.48abrotmanvfat may suck ass .. but it's probably the best choice here .. as long as you don't want files > 2GB
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03:45.54jamonmagyar: not sure, but openssl rsa -in your.key -out your.new.key will remove it
03:46.00SerajewelKSabrotman: thought it was 4gb
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03:46.04stoned2
03:46.12abrotman2GB for files IIRC
03:46.16SerajewelKSi've made 3gb files on my vfat volume
03:46.31SerajewelKShard disk images for a virtual pc
03:46.40SerajewelKSi remember cause i lvm'd them into a 6gb volume
03:47.16SerajewelKSthe partition size limit is 2tb, files are 4gb
03:47.23jamoni think we may be confusing fat16 partition limit of 4gb with files?
03:47.34zinxFAT32 is limited to 4GB files too
03:48.00zinxolder 32-bit Linux OSs before the 64-bit file functions were implemented are limited to 2GB
03:48.03magyarjamon: tried that, but get: unable to load Private Key         31445:error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line:pem_lib.c:644:Expecting: ANY PRIVATE KEY
03:48.07zinxsamba may still be limited to 2GB
03:48.09shingento help me debug my initramfs issues, I've put lewd pictures > 20 lines to show me if I've passed a certain script... nothing more fun than seeing a naked ascii lady scroll by during your boot sequence
03:48.43SerajewelKSshingen: that's either awesome or sad
03:48.45SerajewelKSshingen: or both
03:49.07shingeni've been working on this stupid fakeraid crap for hours now, at least I can laugh about it :)
03:49.10stonedbig titties?
03:49.15jamonmagyar: well run through http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/keys.txt first then to make sure that at least works
03:49.15stonedI wanna see
03:49.23stonedshingen, make a pastebin
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03:49.50shingenI cut and pasted these ladies in
03:49.52shingenhttp://www.chris.com/ASCII/art/html/nakedladies.html
03:49.53stonedI'm always down with the naked ladies
03:50.11yareckonmagyar are you generating a large number of certs?  Why do you want your CA key not to have a passphrase?
03:50.11shingenat the end of each script so I know which one ended last
03:50.13stonedalso, my young teenage phase, my fav band was Bare Naked Ladies
03:51.04stonedIts been one week since you looked at me, cocked your head to the side and said I'm crazy!
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03:51.36shingenI was always disappointed with that band... instead of naked ladies, you get three shirtless fat guys, wtf...
03:51.44shingenbecause of that, I never really liked them
03:51.53magyaryareckon: so clients dont have to key in a pass phrase when importing the cert
03:51.57jamonSerajewelKS: there's nothing on the fuse bug page about panics, sure everything is up to date?
03:51.58stonedI just like that one week song, anyway moving on
03:52.02abrotmanpoints at #debian-offtopic
03:52.13karstenabrotman: ... and laughs?
03:52.56karstencalls it a day.
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03:56.01newsense_anyone know of  a non cryptic intro to shell scripting aimed towards someone with no prior programming knowledge, if such a thing exists
03:56.37newsense_been reading some docs on tldp for going on five hrs and my head is spinning
03:57.01abrotmanthe bash howtos are pretty easy IMO
03:57.09stonedits all easy
03:57.14newsense_:(
03:57.16stonedjust don't try to learn everything in one day
03:57.17ferret_0567why do I get a bad file descriptor error when trying to read my file?
03:57.22newsense_breaks down and cries
03:57.23karstennewsense_: Bash HOWTO, for free.
03:57.27abrotmannewsense_: ask #bash for a "dummies" version perhaps
03:57.34jamonnewsense_: bookmark this, looks like it starts out really slowly: http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/ch02.html
03:57.36CutMeOwnThroathttp://freeos.com/guides/lsst/?
03:57.39stonedyou should check dummies line of books
03:57.40abrotmanferret_0567: filesystem is in a bad moood ?
03:57.41stoned:)
03:57.46CutMeOwnThroatheh
03:57.50newsense_wow more of a response than i thought i would get
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03:57.56newsense_thanks
03:58.00karstennewsense_: I broke into it myself using _UNIX Power Tools_ and _UNIX in a Nutshell_ (you'd want _Linux in a Nutshell_ now), both from O'Reilly.
03:58.01CutMeOwnThroatand we haven't even flamed you
03:58.02newsense_figured id get flamed
03:58.03CutMeOwnThroat... yet
03:58.06stonedwell you're not a parasite
03:58.06jamonheh
03:58.07newsense_haha
03:58.17karstennewsense_: ... though I had some programming background at the time.
03:58.19stonedyo'uve been in #debian for a while and I've not seen you be a parasite of support vampire
03:58.19newsense_aww thanks
03:58.22stonedso you know
03:58.33karstennewsense_: Power Tools is nice in that it has a bunch of recipies and examples you can start off of.
03:58.35stonedits only natural you get constructive responses to even questinos like these
03:58.53abrotmanseconds karsten
03:58.56karstenferret_0567: NFS?
03:58.58newsense_i try, like i said been reading for hours, think ill check out some of the sites you guys mentioned, ill never give up :)
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03:59.03jamonnewsense_: peek around in your shell's set and env settings too, that'll give you lots to play with when scripting
03:59.04stonedalso
03:59.07stonedinvest in a few joints.
03:59.12abrotmanstoned: STOP
03:59.19karstenferret_0567: Smells like an NFS error.  Usually means the file was deleted or replaced on the server.  Try accessing it again.
03:59.26stonedgtfo.
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04:00.04abrotmanstoned: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic .. again
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04:01.33karstenferret_0567: Still there?
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04:01.48karstenferret_0567: Anyhow, I'm outta here.
04:01.56ryanCHhi
04:02.24abrotmanstoned: that's 10 more
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04:03.54ryanCHhow can you read mp3 tags from the cmd line?
04:03.58ryanCH*what command
04:04.29CutMeOwnThroatid3 -t?
04:04.47mhymnryanCH: /msg dpkg search
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04:05.08abrotmanryanCH: there are tons of programs to do that
04:05.46karstenryanCH: id3ed or similar..
04:05.51karstenreally aways.
04:06.46SerajewelKSjamon: i'm running 2.6.24, which is not the latest
04:06.55SerajewelKSjamon: but everything newer in debian sucks worse, so...
04:06.57SerajewelKSi have traces now
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04:07.41SerajewelKSi copied shit to the drive on a VT and waited
04:07.51SerajewelKSafter about a minute i started getting traces from the kernel.  not a panic, but still.
04:08.15SerajewelKShttp://pastebin.ca/1296900
04:08.22SerajewelKSi get one of those about every 10 seconds
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04:08.37SerajewelKSthis happens with all fuse filesystems if i write to them too much
04:08.46abrotmanSerajewelKS: are you on etch or lenny ?
04:08.51SerajewelKSabrotman: lenny
04:08.56SerajewelKS2.6.26 amd64
04:08.57abrotmanso why the .24 ?
04:09.04SerajewelKSweren't you here earlier? :P
04:09.11function1so i have something that builds fine in my my normal environment, but when i try it in my pbuilder, i get a buch of undefined references to pthreads functions.. any ideas?
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04:09.20SerajewelKS.25 and .26 cause all my processes to go into uninterruptible sleep after a few hours of uptime
04:09.20jamonSerajewelKS: my experience with fuse (sshfs, ntfs-3g specifically) has been 100% positive since the betas of ntfs3g in 2006
04:09.22abrotmanSerajewelKS: sometimes i do other things :)
04:09.34SerajewelKSthey drop like flies
04:09.44SerajewelKSuntil bash finally does and then i'm fucked
04:10.06SerajewelKS.24 is the only one that runs stable and supports my ethernet card
04:10.12abrotmanso fuse makes your box die basically ?
04:10.21SerajewelKSpretty spectacularly
04:10.30abrotmanwith all kernels ?
04:10.31pickcoderrun a memtest?
04:10.37SerajewelKSpickcoder: been there, done that
04:10.44SerajewelKSabrotman: with this one
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04:11.02abrotmanSerajewelKS: what kind of system is this ?
04:11.07SerajewelKSabrotman: i keep trying .26 as newer debian revisions are released and they all cause processes to sleep
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04:11.16SerajewelKSabrotman: self-built, what do you want to know about it?
04:11.37abrotmanSerajewelKS: so the Debian .26 fails, but the .24 selfbuilt causes fuse to implode ?
04:11.39LacrimasAnyone know how to change where i download from with apt-get ?
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04:11.51abrotman!tell Lacrimas about sources.list
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04:12.46SerajewelKSabrotman: no the system is self-built
04:12.46SerajewelKSabrotman: the kernel is stock
04:12.47abrotmaneh what?
04:12.58abrotmanoh .. the computer hardware is selfbuilt :)
04:13.03SerajewelKSyes... dummy :P
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04:13.09abrotmancatches up
04:13.34pickcoderjmicron sata based drives?
04:13.51SerajewelKSnods
04:13.54jamonSerajewelKS: so building your own 2.6.28 fails with fuse too?
04:14.02SerajewelKSagain, this happens with everything fuse, even not backed by a physical device
04:14.32pickcoderdoes the trace always fail through jbd
04:15.00SerajewelKSjamon: i have not tried 2.6.28 yet, there's no package
04:15.14abrotmanthinks SerajewelKS doesn't know how to compile a kernel
04:15.15abrotman:)
04:15.20SerajewelKSpickcoder: the traces are identical
04:15.27SerajewelKSabrotman: nah, i did frequently back when i was using red hat
04:15.28jamonSerajewelKS: but you built your own 2.6.24 no? or are you saying you used a debian 2.6.24 kernel from etch?
04:15.34SerajewelKSabrotman: but that cured me of it.  it sucks, it really does.
04:15.47SerajewelKSjamon: 2.6.24 from lenny
04:15.52jamonSerajewelKS: nah, make-kpkg makes it a breeze
04:15.53abrotmanlenny doesn't have a .24
04:15.54SerajewelKSjamon: back when lenny had 2.6.24
04:16.01SerajewelKSfacepalms abrotman
04:16.09abrotmani just beat you to it
04:16.27SerajewelKShahaha
04:16.27SerajewelKSi usually track testing
04:16.30abrotmanSerajewelKS: did you file a bug anywhere about the zombies ?
04:16.34SerajewelKSso i'd get a new kernel whenever the gerbils ran in the wheel enough and spun one out
04:16.54SerajewelKSabrotman: no, but i've tried here, #kernel, and lkml
04:17.06SerajewelKSthe general response i get is "iono, works for me, don't care"
04:17.10abrotmanlike #debian-kernel on OFTC ?
04:17.24SerajewelKSlike #kernel here
04:17.32SerajewelKSi could head over there though
04:17.48abrotmanor the mailing list
04:17.49SerajewelKSit sucks though cause it takes a few hours to see if whatever fix i tried worked
04:18.23SerajewelKSjamon: i thought make-kpkg was for building debian kernels from source packages
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04:18.49SerajewelKSi can give that a whirl though..  /me looks for a brief howto
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04:18.50abrotmanSerajewelKS: make-kpkg can do it from any sources AFAIK
04:18.57abrotman!tell SerajewelKS about kp mantra
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04:19.03abrotmanbrief enough? :)
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04:19.42jamonSerajewelKS: what abrotman said, i use it because it rolls up an nice .deb and thus updates grub when installing
04:19.50SerajewelKSabrotman: yeah i think so
04:19.59SerajewelKSdo i have to make config etc?
04:20.10abrotmanSerajewelKS: though it would be better if you could actually find out which patch causes this
04:20.11SerajewelKSthe suckiest part is picking what shit i want
04:20.20SerajewelKSabrotman: hey i'll settle for a working system
04:20.20pickcodercopy a config from /boot/
04:20.28pickcoderoverwrite the .config in the source tree
04:20.31SerajewelKSpickcoder: that's what i did last time i think
04:21.06jamonSerajewelKS: pickcoder, running make oldconfig with a 2.6.24 to .28 kernel would take ages :p
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04:22.07abrotmanoh look, a -Cam!
04:22.13SerajewelKSjamon: how's that?
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04:22.32pickcoderspams abrotman
04:22.35jamonSerajewelKS: well you said you don't like picking things
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04:22.43abrotmani thought maybe it would .. guess not
04:22.45jamonthere'd be a tonne to pick from
04:22.49pickcoderSerajewelKS: it does the same thing...
04:22.51abrotmanoh .. it is!
04:22.53SerajewelKSjamon: right, but doesn't oldconfig migrate it for you?
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04:22.56blabloduHello!
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04:23.11SerajewelKSabrotman: shame you can't use regex
04:23.25abrotmanSerajewelKS: i could, just wouldn't work very well
04:23.27SerajewelKS+b /\d+-cam/i
04:23.36SerajewelKSerm /\d+-cam$/i
04:23.42abrotmanyes, like that :)
04:24.07SerajewelKSjamon: or am i missing what make oldconfig does
04:24.09eflynnyo momma
04:24.37abrotmanSerajewelKS: AIUI, make oldconfig uses the current config as a basis for what is going to be done with that source tree, but i'd have to double check in the Documentation
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04:25.12pickcoderaka vi Makefile
04:25.14jamonSerajewelKS: it will prompt you for the new additions/changes in the new kernel
04:25.37jamonyou could just use menuconfig and skip that i suppose
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04:25.51foo-camhai!
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04:27.01SerajewelKSwhen you have to /nick three times to make a joke i think it's safe to say you fail
04:27.13abrotmanheh
04:27.14foo22-camheh
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04:27.52SerajewelKSoh btw 2.6.26 runs on my laptop just fine
04:28.05foo22-cami can has cheezburger?
04:28.08abrotmanbut your laptop isn't the system with the issues right ?
04:28.09SerajewelKSso something's allergic to something
04:28.12SerajewelKSabrotman: right
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04:28.20SerajewelKSjust saying it's gotta be hardware related
04:28.51jamonpastebin an hwinfo for our edification?
04:28.51SerajewelKSjeez
04:28.59SerajewelKSmake oldconfig ... first question, i have no damn idea
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04:30.06abrotmanSerajewelKS: did you get a vanilla source tree ?
04:30.35pickcoder!tell SerajewelKS about kp-mantra
04:30.45SerajewelKSabrotman: yes
04:30.50abrotmanhe's been down that road already :)
04:31.00SerajewelKSpickcoder: abrotman already did that thanks
04:31.09pickcoderso it was a dead end
04:31.24SerajewelKSwell, i can't exactly start building my kernel with no .config right?
04:31.34abrotmanSerajewelKS: so you unpack it .. and then you can either copy the current config yourself, or use make oldconfig ..
04:31.56SerajewelKSif i copy the config will everything new just get the default?
04:32.01jamonSerajewelKS: copy your /boot/config-2.6.24-x to .config in the unpacked source tree
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04:32.09bjorkLinux!last
04:32.09dpkg[last] easier ;)
04:32.18bjorkLinux[last]
04:32.21Pulpieim trying to mkinitrd one of the kernels i just made, but my debian etch compiles about that its not a command. anyone know why it would say this?
04:32.37jamonPulpie: mkinitramfs
04:32.40pickcodermkinitrd is not valid now
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04:33.00jamonPulpie: also, make-kpkg --initrd will do that for you in the .deb it creates
04:33.10SerajewelKShah
04:33.18SerajewelKSmake-kpkg removes .config
04:33.23SerajewelKSi guess i'll let it do its magic
04:33.43SerajewelKSmm nope
04:33.50pickcoderI've copied the config from /boot/ and never had a problem
04:33.51Pulpiejamon: thanks
04:33.57SerajewelKSmake-kpkg runs make oldconfig for me, so what do i do, just hold enter?
04:33.57jamonnp Pulpie
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04:34.19jamonSerajewelKS: that's the time consuming picking part, do you feel lucky?
04:34.25pickcoder(with the build itself.. the kernel is another story)
04:34.36SerajewelKSjamon: either way will be largely luck
04:34.43SerajewelKSjamon: since most of this shit i have no clue what it even is
04:34.51SerajewelKS(which is why relying on package maintainers is nice)
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04:35.03jamonheh, well just build it and see if it works, if so, then you can go back and tweak it
04:38.33abrotmanSerajewelKS: you could you know .. answer every question explicitly :)
04:38.45SerajewelKSabrotman: nah
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04:38.58abrotmanSerajewelKS: i tried that once .. i gave up after an hour or so :)
04:39.29jamonabrotman: you mean edit .config with ed?
04:40.00abrotmanthe one where it scrolls down through all the options
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04:41.22jamonreminds me of http://xkcd.com/378/
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04:47.29Pulpiehttp://pastebin.ca/1296923 this happens during apt-get upgrade -f
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04:48.26john__just installed Debian Lenny on a dmraid device and now on boot it hangs at Loading kernel modules...
04:49.13abrotmanPulpie: paste your sources.list and the full output of whatever command you're using (including the command)
04:49.19Pulpieabrotman: ok
04:49.58Pulpieabrotman: including the command is not possible there is not a big enough terminal to copy from
04:50.38abrotmanman script
04:50.38Pulpieabrotman: the command i know is "sudo apt-get upgrade -r"
04:50.59abrotmanPulpie: are you using ubuntu ?
04:51.04Pulpieabrotman: no
04:51.16Pulpieabrotman: why?
04:51.20stewPulpie: what does -r do?
04:51.23Pulpiehttp://pastebin.ca/1296926
04:51.33Pulpies/-r/-f/
04:51.47stonedhmm
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04:52.00stonedthere is a bunch of software in ubuntu muslim edition which is gnu/free and its not in debian
04:52.01Pulpiethe above pastebin is the sources.list
04:52.09stonedthats not good
04:52.26Pulpiestoned: i noticed
04:52.37stonedyou have installed ubuntu ME?
04:53.01stonedam gonna try to get some of those in
04:53.22Pulpiestoned: ... i dont deal with ubuntu. I am not a noob. I know what I am dealing with when it comes to unix
04:53.37magyar"/usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca"     << will this create a public certificate?
04:53.38stonedwhat are you on about?
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04:53.43abrotmanthinks Pulpie and stoned are having two different conversations
04:53.52stonedyes i think so too
04:54.13abrotmanPulpie: so you've run the aptitude update .. and then your dist-upgrade fails ?
04:54.26abrotmanPulpie: and you had no backports on etch ?
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04:54.32Pulpieabrotman: yes
04:54.33stonedtry with safe-upgrade first maybe?
04:54.36stonedperhaps
04:54.54abrotmanPulpie: so you're running aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ?
04:55.05Pulpieabrotman: yes.
04:55.21abrotmaneventhough you said you were using apt-get -r ?
04:55.22Pulpiewell actually i read that wrong
04:55.23abrotmanoh .. -f
04:55.27abrotmanaptitude -f works too
04:55.34Pulpieapt-get -r upgrade *
04:55.40abrotman-f ?
04:55.42Pulpieafter update
04:55.43stoneddoes aptitude have build-dep?
04:55.45Pulpie-f sorry
04:56.12abrotmanstoned: not AFAIK
04:56.12stonedI see it in the manpage, but if i do aptitude build-dep whatever, it dosn't do anything
04:56.22stonedI have to use apt-get.  abrotman it is in the manpage, man aptitude
04:56.23abrotmanoh . maybe it does, not tried
04:56.29stonedaptitude [<options>...] {changelog | full-upgrade | download | forbid-version | hold | install | markauto | purge | reinstall | remove | show | unhold | unmarkauto | build-dep | build-depends} <packages>...
04:56.36abrotmani figured if it didn't have a 'source' ..
04:56.43stonedI do have a src
04:56.45stoneddeb-src
04:56.49abrotmanno .. like apt-get source
04:56.55stonedoh
04:57.21stonedyup tried just now on a app i ddin't get diddly squat
04:57.44abrotmanPulpie: do you have a libapt-pkg-libc6 on your system anywhere ?
04:57.56stonedabrotman, http://stoned.pastebin.com/d21795cef
04:58.18stonedabrotman, if i use apt-get it starts to fetch the -dev packages
04:58.19abrotmanmaybe they're already installed ?
04:58.21Pulpieabrotman: locate returns /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11
04:58.21abrotmanoh
04:58.45abrotmanPulpie: dpkg -l apt .. which version ?
04:59.03Pulpie0.6.46.4-0.1
04:59.10Pulpieapt is actually broken
04:59.13abrotmanPulpie: and if you `aptitude install apt` ?
04:59.27abrotmanguesses it will whine about being broken and using -f
04:59.45Pulpieerror while loading shared libs --- wait for pastebin for more
04:59.55abrotmanPulpie: but dpkg works ?
05:00.05abrotmanthis is i386 ?
05:00.06Pulpieseems to i haven't been able to test it
05:00.09Pulpieno its amd64
05:00.29abrotmanwget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.7.19_amd64.deb
05:00.29Pulpiehttp://pastebin.ca/1296928
05:00.32stonedI wonder why its in the manpage it if never works, just tried on 3 etch boxes, etch, lenny, sid, aptitude has no build-dep working at all
05:00.34ryanCHhow do a upgrade my system from etch to lenny without wiping out all my settings/files???
05:00.46stoned!tell ryanCH -about etch->lenny
05:00.56abrotmanPulpie: yeah .. aptitude isn't going to work until we get `apt` in place
05:01.03Pulpieok
05:01.36abrotmanso if you wget that stuff above .. and then try to `dpkg -i apt<blahblahblah>.deb` .. does it work ?
05:01.52Pulpieabrotman: no
05:02.02abrotmanmissing dependency ?
05:02.13Pulpiehttp://pastebin.ca/1296929
05:02.21Pulpieseems like it
05:02.26abrotmanPulpie: being root might help
05:02.32abrotmanoh .. whoops
05:02.33Pulpiepure root?
05:02.55abrotmanwget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debian-archive-keyring/debian-archive-keyring_2008.04.16+nmu1_all.deb
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05:03.17abrotmanPulpie: just for reference .. which version of libc6 is installed .. dpkg -l libc6
05:03.35Pulpieabrotman: 2.7-16
05:03.43abrotmanwell .. at least you got one bit of lenny :)
05:03.52Pulpielol yeah
05:04.34Pulpiehttp://pastebin.ca/1296930
05:04.35abrotmanthen try to use dpkg -i *.deb
05:04.58Pulpieanother error im not sure what this one is
05:05.10Pulpielook like libreadline isn't there
05:05.13abrotmanPulpie: which version of libreadline is installed ?
05:05.23abrotmanerm .. libreadline5
05:05.30Pulpie5.2-3
05:05.31abrotmanPulpie: dpkg -l libreadline*
05:05.47abrotmanand it's "ii" status ?
05:05.52Pulpieyes
05:06.19Pulpiei guess we reinstall libreadline5?
05:06.20abrotmanPulpie: for the love of god .. why do you have a /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5 ?
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05:07.13Pulpieabrotman: i dont know im a sub admin the main admin messed the whole upgrade to lenny up
05:07.30stonedthen he shouldn't be a main admin
05:07.32stonedshould he?
05:07.33abrotmanPulpie: how much stuff is in /usr/local/lib/ ?
05:07.35Pulpieabrotman: he kicks everyone off the system and starts upgrading so i couldnt even know what he was doing
05:07.47stonedcheck logs
05:07.50Pulpienot much in comparison
05:07.52stonedaptitude keeps a log of everything
05:08.00Pulpiestoned: yeah that in /var/log/messages
05:08.03Pulpieand*
05:08.13jamonaw gross, methinks you're gonna have to bust out the ldconfig and dpkg --force foo Pulpie
05:08.24abrotmanjamon: that's not a good plan
05:08.29stonedno
05:08.31Pulpiehttp://pastebin.ca/1296932
05:08.49abrotmanPulpie: this is a webserver?
05:09.26Pulpiepartly
05:09.31Pulpieits a vps
05:09.43Pulpiewhich the main admin pays for (only reason why hes the main admin)
05:09.59Pulpieand about 3-4 others run w/e they want on it
05:10.15Pulpiehe asked me to maintain it while he goes into the navy
05:10.25abrotmanso if you move those libraries temporarily, what will break? :)
05:10.37Pulpieabrotman: its already broken :P
05:10.55abrotmanwell then ..
05:12.06abrotmanPulpie: mv /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib2 .. see if that makes it a bit more happy
05:12.19abrotmanthen we'll move it back later
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05:12.26Pulpiefixed
05:12.30abrotmanfixed?
05:12.36jamonexporting LD_LIBRARY_PATH would be less intrusive to the fs
05:12.37Pulpieapt-get install -f processed
05:12.43abrotmanPulpie: yay!
05:13.03abrotmanjamon: yeah, but there's enough goofy junk in there, someone probably needs to re-evaluate the need to have those there anyways
05:13.17stoneddon't you have work in the morning?
05:13.25jamonfor sure, just sounds pretty fragile as it is :)
05:13.28abrotmannot if they don't call! :)
05:13.32stonedword
05:13.40SerajewelKS'Module /usr/src/modules/fuse failed.'
05:13.48abrotman!pal SerajewelKS
05:13.48dpkgpoints at SerajewelKS and laughs
05:14.09SerajewelKS'Perhaps /usr/src/modules/fuse does not understand --rootcmd?'
05:14.18abrotmanPulpie: you'll have to move that stuff back, i can only imagine that the entire LAMP setup is in usr/local
05:14.32Pulpieabrotman: yeah i figured that.
05:14.46Pulpieabrotman: ill move it back when the upgrade finishes
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05:15.00Pulpieabrotman: i told the system admin (he compiles everything) to stick to compiling
05:15.09SerajewelKS/usr/src/modules/fuse/dir.c:856: error: ‘LOOKUP_ACCESS’ undeclared (first use in this function)
05:15.12SerajewelKSgreat
05:15.34abrotmanPulpie: not always the greatest plan unless needs dictate, but it's not my stuff
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05:16.17abrotmantoo bad i didn't notice the local lib the first time
05:16.23Pulpielol
05:17.48abrotmanPulpie: uhm ... though the LAMP stuff may not run anymore
05:18.00abrotmani guess you said it's not running now though
05:18.01SerajewelKSpiece of shit kernel
05:18.12abrotmanSerajewelKS: debian/bsd? :)
05:18.21SerajewelKSgood god
05:18.26SerajewelKSthe nv module can't be built either
05:18.32SerajewelKSwho released this as stable?
05:18.42abrotmanalan cox, then he ran away from RH :)
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05:19.07SerajewelKSwell thus ends my journey into 2.6.28
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05:19.41abrotmanseriously?
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05:23.45SerajewelKSheh
05:23.59SerajewelKSif i just 'make' instead of using make-kpkg it compiles just fine
05:24.01SerajewelKSi call shenanigans
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05:27.13dandcI just finished installing etch for powerpc on an imac g4, but X won't run... first it says DRI won't load, then when I comment it out, AIGLX complains that DRI wasn't found. Ideas?
05:27.34stoneddandc, #debianppc here or on irc.debian.org
05:27.57dandcthanks, stoned :)
05:27.59stonedI enjoy debian in a powerbook 3400c :/
05:28.22stonedit was my first mac laptop I got it cuz the guy in independence day had one I think
05:28.33dandchahaha, awesome. OS9 was terrible, though
05:28.41stonedin fact, you know it still runs sarge/testing on it :)
05:29.39dandchaha, awesome :D
05:29.50stonednow I'm afraid to upgrade it
05:30.01dandcno dist-upgrade for you?
05:30.11dandchow do I disable AIGLX? (and what IS it?)
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05:30.11stonedI'm scared of that
05:30.19stonedits a simple xorg.conf directive
05:30.34stonedI don't have it, but I'm sure google would if you try xorg.conf aiglx
05:30.39abrotmandandc: what is the video card in the system?
05:30.51abrotmanand how did you install X ?
05:31.00ReKlipzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
05:31.55dandcabrotman: I just finished using the etch netinstall disk... base system + desktop environment
05:32.06abrotmandandc: and your video device?
05:32.28abrotmanlspci | grep VGA if you're not sure
05:32.31stonedI guess whatever is on the g4 system
05:32.48abrotmanyeah, i have a macmini ppc and etch worked fine with it (including X)
05:32.50stonedand install pciutils if you don't have lspci
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05:33.26dandcabrotman: it says nVidia NV17 GeForce4 440 Go
05:33.48legiswhat's the command to update the system fonts?
05:34.05pipelinelegis: defoma-reconfigure
05:34.12abrotmandandc: i'd think the nv driver should work on that
05:34.24Guerinit will, but not with dri
05:34.26abrotmanor at least vesa
05:34.28ReKlipzso wait... xgl is deprecated?!
05:34.33legispipeline: thx
05:34.34Guerinno, nv
05:34.39abrotmanbut AIGLX and DRI should not be fatal errors
05:34.45abrotmanReKlipz: yes, two years ago?
05:34.49dandcthey are, EE and everything
05:34.51abrotmana year ago sounds better :)
05:35.01liabletwo would be about right
05:35.02dandcdo you want the log output?
05:35.19Guerindandc: what driver do you have selected?
05:35.21abrotmanyeah, my Xorg log has EE errors, but X still starts
05:35.28Guerin(hint: should be nv)
05:35.34ReKlipzsays june 12 2008
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05:35.53dandcGuerin: I don't know how to tell what driver I'm using. I've used debian a lot, but never with a GUI before
05:35.54ReKlipzah.. umm, I'm stupid, sorry guys!
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05:36.25ReKlipzdandc, in the Section "Device" of the xorg.conf, look for Driver "somethignhere"
05:36.34teckyI know this is off the wall but anyone using a EEE-PC, Specificly the N270 model, and have any comments / concern's about it ? I'm thinking about purchasing it and wondering if its a good investment
05:36.35ReKlipzand tell us what is in plac of "somethignhere"
05:36.39Guerindandc: your /etc/X11/xorg.conf should have a `driver' line in the `device' section
05:36.42dandcdriver is nv
05:36.45abrotmanwonders why this server needs a GUI
05:36.53dandcthis isn't a server
05:36.59dandcfirst non-server install I've done
05:36.59abrotmanoh ok
05:37.08abrotmanpoints at lenny :)
05:37.09Guerindandc: funky. Normally they Just Work.
05:37.18ReKlipzloves lenny
05:37.30dandcshould I just go get the lenny netinst?
05:37.37ReKlipzumm, YES!
05:37.45dandchehe, I'm used to using stable for everything ;)
05:37.46Guerindandc: what do you have installed now?
05:37.48ReKlipzyou could try to dist-upgrade
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05:38.03Guerinetch, ok. just dist-upgrade
05:38.04dandcI have a BRAND new install of etch powerpc netinstall
05:38.16Guerinbut even so, nv should work
05:38.18ReKlipzyeah, dist-upgrade should go smoothly
05:38.23Guerinupgrading won't fix anything
05:38.43dandcthere's not newer nv in lenny?
05:38.50abrotmandandc: can you put the Xorg.0.log in a pastebin ?
05:38.53abrotmandandc: yes, there is
05:38.54ReKlipzwhy not use nvidia?
05:39.00Guerinirrelevant, since the nv in etch is newer than a gf4
05:39.01abrotmanReKlipz: why bother if nv should work?
05:39.10dandcis there a way to command-line use a pastebin?
05:39.20Guerin!paste without x
05:39.20dpkgwithout x: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it.  DO NOT paste into the channel.
05:39.23ReKlipzabrotman: depends on what he plans on doing graphics wise, and if he needs 3d accel
05:39.24abrotmandandc: paste.debian.net allows you to upload a file
05:39.26Guerinbah
05:39.32Guerin!how can i paste without x
05:39.36abrotman!pastewithoutx
05:39.37dpkgwell, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about ...
05:39.39abrotmanbetter? :)
05:39.50dandcyeah :)
05:39.55Guerinfucking idiots
05:40.06abrotmanpoints at liable
05:40.08stonedhey man
05:40.13Guerindpkg, how can I paste without x is <reply> see pastewithoutx
05:40.14dpkgokay, Guerin
05:40.27stonedwtf are you calling names?
05:40.42Guerinstoned: whoever left all the spaces outta that factoid
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05:41.14abrotmanspacesareevil!
05:41.30ReKlipzi guess he got it working?
05:41.31abrotmanuploading causes irc reset ?
05:41.34stonedso make one with spaces and point to that one
05:41.35ReKlipzlol
05:41.38stonedproblem solved
05:41.45Guerinstoned: what did I just do?
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05:41.56stonedI dunno
05:42.00ReKlipzhey now guys
05:42.04stonedwhat are you talking about?
05:42.09dandcReKlipz: this is kind of a test machine, but I'd like the graphics card to be used, at least
05:42.25Guerin!tranquilise stoned
05:42.25dpkgshoots stoned full of enough dope to stun a rhino
05:42.27stoneddandc, you are trying to get 3d accel?
05:42.35abrotmanhow about we concentrate on X first
05:42.38dandcI'd like it, although I don't *need* it
05:42.44ReKlipzagree with abrotman, nv ought to work
05:42.54stonedbut your X works not at all?
05:42.54Guerindandc: try vesa
05:42.57abrotmanthen nv driver should work, love to see that log file since it might beanother issue
05:43.02dandcI'm working on it
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05:43.21stonedyou can just upload the log file using a text browser
05:43.28dandclynx?
05:43.40stonedin fact, set your screen mode to soemthing else so in cli at least you ahve more room
05:43.57dandcI just put the config file back to vanilla, and am rebooting, so there's a pristine logfile
05:44.01stonedI use the highest one 791 I think it is
05:44.18Guerin791 is nowhere near the highest
05:44.24stonedits not?
05:44.26Guerinnope
05:44.28stonedI thought it was
05:44.37Supaplexvga=ask
05:44.47Guerinfor a start, 792 is 1024x768x24bit
05:44.55abrotmanlongs for svga=ask! :)
05:45.06Supaplexabrotman: patches welcome *cough*
05:45.08legisHow can I remove a pkg with it dependecies on aptitude?
05:45.09abrotmanheh
05:45.23Guerinlegis: aptitude remove package
05:45.25abrotmanlegis: mark the deps as manually installed
05:45.40Supaplexabrotman: we should say non-feature creep patches welcome. haha.
05:45.48legisok
05:46.06dandc!paste
05:46.06dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
05:46.09abrotmanhttp://wiki.antlinux.com/pmwiki.php?n=HowTos.VgaModes
05:46.13stoned798
05:46.16stonedsorry thats what I meant
05:46.21ReKlipz824 = 1280x800 for intel X3100
05:46.44Supaplex<disclaimer> Not all hardware supports all vga= modes </disclaimer>
05:46.45stonedyeh thats the highest
05:46.51stoned1600x1200
05:46.52ReKlipzthanks supaplex
05:46.54stonedyou can't get higher
05:47.00Supaplexunless you're on crack!
05:47.11stonedthats what I'm talking about
05:47.12ReKlipzwhat's the multiplier for that?
05:47.17stonedyou're going on about color modes and what not
05:47.20Guerinstoned: how about 799?
05:47.22stonedI'm talking resolution wise, its the highest nimber
05:47.25Guerinstoned: that's higher
05:47.25stonedsame thing
05:47.27dandcstoned, whoever else wanted the log: http://paste.debian.net/24827/
05:47.30stonedits fucking 16x12
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05:47.31stonedshaddup
05:47.35stoned:/
05:47.40GuerinWITH MOAR COLOURZ
05:47.47Guerinwins
05:48.00stonedenjoy it, padre!
05:48.07abrotmanthe mouse caused the whole thing to crash!
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05:48.07SupaplexGuerin: let him have a ride on the lol-o-coaster too ;)
05:48.25Guerinyeah, I spose I can share my tard-pops with him as well
05:48.27abrotmanoh nope
05:48.40dandcis highly confused
05:48.47ReKlipzxorg.conf would be nice to have too
05:49.11abrotmanit doesn't appear to be a basic config issue
05:49.32Guerindandc: that should be working.
05:49.34abrotmanthough ISTR a way to disable the xaa stuff
05:49.51ReKlipzand use EXA?
05:50.08abrotmangoing to lenny may help .. but can't be guaranteed
05:50.26ReKlipzhonestly, going lenny would be smart, just do a fresh isntall
05:50.39ReKlipzeven use the d-i beta
05:50.41dandcReKlipz: http://paste.debian.net/24828/
05:50.42Guerinit shouldn't help
05:50.45dandcthat's my xorg.conf
05:50.47stonedlol
05:50.51Guerinit's possible, but it shouldn't
05:50.51dandcand this is a BRAND new install
05:51.21stonedhm
05:51.23dandcwould a dist-update be the same as downloading and using the latest lenny netinst?
05:51.24stonedfirst, unload dri
05:51.28Guerindandc: try changing Option"UseFBDev""true" to "false"
05:51.37abrotmannominates ugly apple hardware!
05:51.41stonednvidia doesn't like xorg's dri
05:51.46stonedit provides its own
05:51.55ReKlipzit's nv
05:52.19stonedso it is
05:52.20dandcstoned: assume I'm retarded, how do I unload dri?
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05:52.29stoneddandc, just comment it out in the modules section
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05:52.35ReKlipzput a # before Load "dri"
05:52.37dandcGuerin: changed the option, rebooting :)
05:52.39stonedbut thats only with 'nvidia' drivers
05:52.49stonedyou don't need to reboot
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05:52.52ReKlipzaka, dont comment it
05:52.53abrotmanreally wishes the x.org docs weren't so awful
05:52.56Guerindandc: rebooting?
05:53.06abrotmanoh let him be
05:53.12ReKlipz#invoke-rc.d gdm restart
05:53.18stonedum
05:53.22dandc<PROTECTED>
05:53.28Guerinctrl+alt+bksp; uparrow; RET
05:53.30ReKlipzsame thing
05:53.30Guerin:)
05:53.33stonedjeez
05:53.39Guerinok
05:53.41ReKlipz; uparrow; RET ?
05:53.43dandcooh, it worked Guerin !
05:53.48Guerinas long as you weren't actually shutting the whole machine down
05:53.54stonedgood stuff
05:53.56Guerin!win me
05:53.56dpkgCongratulations, guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
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05:54.07Guerindpkg: already got one, but thanks
05:54.07dpkgGuerin: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
05:54.17stonedso then, what worked, your X?
05:54.27Guerindandc: the kernel framebuffer device is almost never your friend
05:54.35stonedand why don't you try the nvidia driver?
05:54.39abrotmansee .. lenny would have fixed that!
05:54.40dandcaha
05:54.45stoneddon't they have one for macintosh?
05:54.48Guerinabrotman: it would?
05:55.01Supaplexsome $ARCH pretty much require fb
05:55.03ReKlipzanyone know why /etc/init.d/gdm restart doesn't actually restart gdm? it just kills it, then i have issue it agian from tty1 to get gdm back...
05:55.13abrotmanGuerin: there is no xorg.conf, no silly question about the FB to incorrectly answer
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05:55.36abrotmanReKlipz: because you started it from the command line to begin with ?
05:55.43stonedReKlipz, uhm it does actually HUP it i think so it is killing xorg/gdm and restarting it
05:55.43ReKlipzbut it's a script..
05:55.51stonedbut its a process
05:56.08ReKlipzinteresting....
05:56.15Guerinabrotman: eh?
05:56.24Guerinabrotman: i have an xorg.conf on mine.
05:56.32abrotmanGuerin: what's in it?
05:56.45Guerinbut fair enough, that question is stupid, since anyone who needs the kernel FB knwos they do
05:56.46ReKlipzwait wait wait. lets stop "discussing" and try to get dandc up and running
05:56.51Guerinabrotman: a bunch of stuff!
05:56.54abrotmanReKlipz: he is
05:56.58GuerinReKlipz: he is. Isn't he?
05:57.01ReKlipzoh
05:57.04abrotmanGuerin: it's not required anymore
05:57.04dandcI am :)
05:57.14abrotmandandc: would you like to make us eggs now?
05:57.14ReKlipzdandc: good, now go break it with nvidia
05:57.24stonedReKlipz, your gdm doesn't come up back up on its own? meaning it doesn't launch X, stops at console, runs X but no gdm, what exactly is going on
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05:57.37Guerinabrotman: hm. So how does X know what modes etc. to use?
05:57.38dandcReKlipz: sure thing. Change "nv" to "nvidia"
05:57.46abrotmanGuerin: automagic
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05:57.53stonedbut only if yo have nvidia built and installed
05:57.59Guerindandc: you'd need to installerate the driveriser for that
05:58.01stonedyou can't just up and use it
05:58.04abrotmanGuerin: it probes to see what it can use AIUI
05:58.14Guerinwhich is generally a way to secure yourself Hurt and Pain
05:58.23Guerinabrotman: awesome
05:58.25Guerintries
05:58.25ReKlipzumm. from inside of gdm, inside gnome-terminal: #/etc/init.d/gdm restart == kill gdm, no restart.  tty1 #!/etc == restart gdm
05:58.42ReKlipzlemme find you the wiki dandc
05:58.54abrotman!nvidia one-liner
05:58.55dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>).  nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
05:59.13ReKlipzhttp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
05:59.14ReKlipzlame
05:59.28stonedwhas lame?
05:59.35abrotmancheating with the bot!
05:59.35stonedyou got a problem with the wiki article?
05:59.36ReKlipzhe beat me
05:59.39stonedoh
05:59.57dandcI'm just curious as to why I want nvidia over nv, if nv is nvidia's drivers
06:00.05stonedits not nvidieas
06:00.25abrotmandandc: nv is the OSS driver, which provides no 3d accel junk that the nvidia binary non-free crapfest does
06:00.27Guerinabrotman: you win
06:00.28stonedits an open soruce driver that provides (i don't even think 2d accel) but no 3d and just basic stuff
06:00.29ReKlipz!fglrx one-liner was my friend for a while, until I found out you had to specify the SubSection "Display" fully or else it would refuse to load...
06:00.37ReKlipznv == foss drivers
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06:00.44ReKlipznvidia = nvidias driver
06:00.47dandcaha, got it
06:00.49stonedI now actually prefer ati over nvidia for this reason
06:00.50Guerinin fact, it's selected a more better mode than the one it initially detected - 75hz rather than 70
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06:01.01dandcthanks for clarifying :)
06:01.04stonedmy badass video gaming graphics card works just perfectly with radeon open soruce driver
06:01.10abrotmanGuerin: woot fine sir!
06:01.19Guerin!beer abrotman
06:01.19dpkgpours a quart of Spaten Pils for abrotman
06:01.27abrotmanand on that note ..
06:01.30abrotmanwaves
06:01.44ReKlipzfglrx is the shit now though
06:01.47dandcfrom wiki: The current version - which is ulterior to the latest version available in Etch - does not support GeForce2 and GeForce4 card.
06:01.58stonednot really
06:01.58dandcI'm on a GeForce4 440
06:02.01Guerinstill got some minor ghosting, but that's because I have a stupid tv converter box which the thing has to run through
06:02.01stonedit destroys my lcd
06:02.05ReKlipzand supposedly, Driver "nvidia" is gonna have purevideo (mpeg4) accel soon!
06:02.09stonedI get massive stuck pixels each time I use fglrx
06:02.16stonedit just doesn't like my monitor
06:02.23stonedand its a badass monitor i can't afford ot hurt it
06:02.28stonedI love my monitor
06:02.30ReKlipzstuck pixels from a driver?! i think your monitor is just broked
06:02.42stonednope, works fine in windows xp catalyst drivers
06:02.55ReKlipzthen you're gathering the wrong symptom
06:03.00stonednope
06:03.05ReKlipzit may be artifacting...
06:03.11stonednope
06:03.14ReKlipzthat's... not right
06:03.16stonedI checked the temps, clocks
06:03.24stonedyou'te tellin me
06:03.26ReKlipzdefine "stuck pixels"
06:03.36stonedmeaning just stuck pixels
06:03.43stonedrandom pixels and colored sub pixels remin on
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06:03.52ReKlipzI assume they disappear with a reboot?
06:04.10stonedI have to use a program that very fastly flashes the screen with lots of pixels to turn them on and off, and after like hours and hours I get my monitor back
06:04.13amitzstoned: pixel that remain on or off regardless of everything?
06:04.16stonedEVERY time I use fglrx
06:04.20ReKlipzyeah, the pixel-un-sticker
06:04.25dandcis there an iceweasel 3?
06:04.33ReKlipzdandc, yes, lenny
06:04.42stonedevery single fucking time, but lucky now that my radeon x1900 xtx r590 chipset works with 3d in radeon driver in open source
06:04.46stonedI just this now
06:05.06stoneddandc, /msg dpkg ff3
06:05.07stonedI think
06:05.07ReKlipzyour monitor must not be adhering to some spec properly... and only fglrx uses that part of the spec
06:05.24stonedin fact that factoid needs to be updated now
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06:05.48ReKlipzdandc, hows Driver "nvidia" coming?
06:06.02stonedReKlipz, I have a HANNSG HDMI HG 216 HD
06:06.03dandcI'm not sure it's possible, ReKlipz
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06:06.28dandcthe article says geforce4 isn't supported
06:06.30stonedReKlipz, 22" LCD very badass I play video games on it all the htime
06:06.35ReKlipzlol
06:06.39stoneddandc, you need legacy probaby
06:06.49ReKlipzSamsung 245T
06:07.20ReKlipzi want my goddamn 1920x1200 vga mode switch
06:07.22stonedat work I have  quad setup on my debian machine I got 4 x 24"
06:07.25stoned=D
06:07.41dandcso I need to install nvidia-glx-legacy, and then continue with instructions?
06:07.51stonedanyway so yes you need the glx legacy
06:07.58stonedyou do have an older card
06:08.48ReKlipzhttp://desmas-s.dyndns.org/05-24-08_1708.jpg
06:09.52dandchmm, do I have to add anything to my sources.list to make nvidia-glx-legacy to show up? I already added non-free
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06:12.15ReKlipzyou still in etch?
06:12.25dandcI am. Should I be upgrading to lenny?
06:12.51ReKlipzup to you at this point
06:13.09ReKlipzyou should use the module-assistant method however
06:13.13dandcall my servers are on etch, except for one VM which I had to upgrade to some weird hybrid of lenny and sid
06:13.29dandcI'm using the module-assist method
06:13.30ReKlipzwell, just know that lenny will be stable sometime early 2009
06:13.59ReKlipzdid the m-a portion go well?
06:14.31dandcit's still going. My connection isn't too fast, nor is the computer itself ;)
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06:15.00dandcuhoh
06:15.06ReKlipzsays you also need contrib sources
06:15.16dandcyeah, I added contrib and non-free already :)
06:15.25ReKlipzuhoh?
06:15.28dandc"installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed."
06:15.58ReKlipzdid you set VERSION properly?
06:16.29ReKlipz<PROTECTED>
06:16.39dandcaha, I did forget to set version
06:16.43hoxuDebian -- News -- Debian mourns the loss of Thiemo Seufer [ http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081229 ]
06:16.57dandcif I'm updating to lenny anyway, should I update before or after?
06:17.28ReKlipzbefore
06:17.36ReKlipzI would recommend just doing a fresh lenny install
06:18.13dandcalrighty, even though all I've done so far is install vim, add contrib/non-free, and changed one var in xorg.conf?
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06:18.27Pulpieamitz: why not?
06:18.38Pulpieerm
06:18.43ReKlipzespecially because
06:19.01dandcalright
06:19.03ReKlipzdon't have to worry about dist-upgrade not working or something dumb like that
06:19.30dandcexcept it takes several hours to download, burn, and install
06:19.35ReKlipzoh rly?
06:19.41dandcyeah
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06:19.46dandcold hardware, terrible connection ;)
06:19.46ReKlipzyou can give dist-upgrade a shot then
06:19.52ReKlipzbut it will probably take just as long
06:19.56mhymnhoxu: will be greatly missed...
06:20.02dandcdo I have to change anything in sources.list first?
06:20.06ReKlipzI've just never had a good experience with dist-upgrade
06:20.12ReKlipzhonestly, no idea
06:20.19dandcI've had 100% good experiences, but I don't pin my sources or anything
06:20.22ReKlipzi think you change etch to lenny, and then run dist-upgrade
06:20.33dandc!etch->lenny
06:20.33ReKlipzbut i'd google
06:20.39SoftVisionhi which version of kde 4 is in experiemental at the moment?
06:20.48craigevil-eee4.1
06:21.01SoftVisionnot 4.2?
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06:22.54ReKlipzdandc, gotta run, good luck
06:23.11dandcthanks a ton, ReKlipz :)
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06:23.38craigevil-eeeSoftVision if your on sid you can get 4.2 from http://kde42.debian.net/
06:24.00Pulpie!deb etch lenny
06:24.12Pulpie!dpkg etch lenny
06:24.19Pulpiewhats the bot command?
06:24.33mhymnPulpie: topic ?
06:24.50Pulpiemhymn: thanks
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06:30.04SerajewelKSyeah make-kpkg doesn't know how to make 2.6.28
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06:30.50cahootsure did here
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06:33.08SerajewelKSit's not building fuse or nv
06:33.17SerajewelKS/usr/src/modules/fuse/dir.c:856: error: ‘LOOKUP_ACCESS’ undeclared (first use in this function)
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06:33.50SerajewelKSnv is two pages of gcc shit
06:34.03multi_iowhy does xpdf open the sound device??
06:34.06multi_io...and why does it open it exclusively?
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06:34.50peterSgood question, multi_io
06:35.18SerajewelKScahoot: any clue how to resolve those problems?
06:35.19sdflkjif i wanted to edit the rc.local file in a debian live cd what would I have to do? it is Xebian
06:35.54cahootSerajewelKS: well fuse is built and loaded here, nv I don't use
06:36.20SerajewelKScahoot: apparently others have issues too: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandriva.bugs/66158
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06:37.25SerajewelKScahoot: which version of make-kpkg?
06:37.59SerajewelKSor kernel-package rather
06:39.13cahoot<PROTECTED>
06:39.39SerajewelKSmmm same here
06:39.40SerajewelKSwtf
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06:40.25sdflkjis there any way to change the contents of rc.local in a live cd I am about to burn?
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06:40.42SerajewelKSoh what the hell
06:40.48yitz_How do I "install" a new font? I installed ttf-lucide but the font isn't appearing in my font-selector
06:40.48SerajewelKSi just realized
06:40.57SerajewelKScahoot: look at the filename:  /usr/src/modules/fuse/dir.c
06:41.04SerajewelKSi'm in $HOME ffs
06:41.37SerajewelKStime to m-a clean some shit
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06:44.20SerajewelKSman if make-kpkg would just tell me it's magically rebuilding shit... :P
06:45.38legiswhat non-X package can I use to browse smb shares?
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06:47.45SerajewelKSlegis: smbclient
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06:49.12SerajewelKSwindows needs something like fuse...
06:49.17legisSerajewelKS: Can it search for shares if I don't know the name of the hosts?
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06:49.50SerajewelKSlegis: you mean search for hosts then?
06:49.59legisSerajewelKS: yeah
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06:50.25SerajewelKSlegis: nmap -p T:139 your-subnet
06:50.26SerajewelKSlegis: :)
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06:50.36ArmEagleI'm running mplayer on this headless debian(Etch) machine, using OSS. But I think somewhere the main volume is still turned down. what oss mixer is there?
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06:50.51legisSerajewelKS: ;)
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06:53.41SerajewelKSlegis: just for the hell of it, here ya go
06:53.43SerajewelKSlegis: for i in `nmap -p T:139 192.168.3.0/24 -oG - | grep '139/open' | awk '{print $2}'`; do echo "---- Host $i ----"; smbclient -L $i -N; done
06:53.59SerajewelKSlegis: replace 192.168.3.0/24 with your subnet
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06:55.08nanonymeHey, why does it seem like there aren't any kernel-image's for 2.6.28 in unstable?
06:55.19SerajewelKSnanonyme: because there aren't any
06:55.26ganeshhai to all
06:55.39nanonymeI really must not understand how unstable works then.
06:55.58peterSnanonyme: yeah it works pretty differently when everyone's busy trying to put out a stable release
06:56.03stinger05hello there,  how can debian live be installed on a hardisk ?
06:56.05SerajewelKSnanonyme: lenny and unstable are frozen for everything but RC bug fixes
06:56.13SerajewelKSnanonyme: until lenny is released as stable
06:56.14nanonymeAhh.
06:56.21nanonymeThat explains a lot.
06:56.30peterSSerajewelKS: well unstable isn't technically frozen ... but a lot of us are treating it as frozen to make the lenny release go smoother
06:56.52ArmEagleblegh. i'm in the process of installing a new debian on this PC, and soon Etch will be outdated already?
06:56.54SerajewelKSpeterS: right, frozen de facto, not frozen de jure
06:57.18SerajewelKSArmEagle: if you'd rather, debian could never release again :P
06:57.19kd8ikti want to upgrade my stuff to unstable sid
06:57.20nanonyme:D
06:57.25ArmEagleSerajewelKS :)
06:57.39kd8ikti already use lenny on everything
06:57.39ArmEagleanyway. Anyone know a console (OSS) volume mixer?
06:57.51peterSArmEagle: 'aumix' works pretty well
06:57.54SerajewelKSArmEagle: aumix i think, i used to use it a while ago
06:57.58peterSincluding mouse support in xterm (:
06:57.59SerajewelKSpeterS: damn you :/
06:58.12stinger05can debian live be installed on a pc ?
06:58.26SerajewelKSstinger05: isn't the point of debian live that it runs on a CD?
06:58.32ArmEagleok thanks. lets see.
06:58.33SerajewelKSstinger05: if you want debian on a pc, install debian on a pc
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06:59.03stinger05which version can u install on a pc then ?
06:59.06nanonymeSerajewelKS: So, when's the release date?
06:59.13SerajewelKS!wwlr
06:59.13dpkgLenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN.  It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release".  It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not.  Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html
06:59.22nanonyme:P
06:59.23SerajewelKSstinger05: uhm... debian?
06:59.39SerajewelKSstinger05: www.debian.org
06:59.59nanonymeUnderstood.
07:00.20stinger05okay, is there a kde version that can be installed too ? sorry but im kinda new to debian :)
07:00.31SerajewelKSstinger05: debian doesn't care whether you use gnome or kde
07:00.32ArmEaglepeterS / SerajewelKS thanks, that works!
07:00.40SerajewelKSArmEagle: np
07:00.57SerajewelKSstinger05: both are packaged.  if you select a desktop environment in the installer i think you get gnome.
07:01.13SerajewelKSstinger05: but you can easily install just the base system and install kde from a terminal later.
07:01.34nanonymeSerajewelKS: I was just wondering since I'll probably install Debian testing over my current system when 2.6.28 gets into testing.
07:01.57SerajewelKSnanonyme: yeah, me too... actually i'm building 2.6.28 packages right now for myself
07:02.04nanonymeI just need ext4 support or my partitions won't like me.
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07:02.33stinger05hmmm... fair enough but too bad cause i downloaded debian live cd thinking it would install
07:02.37stinger05but it doesnt :@
07:02.39SerajewelKSdpkg: wwlr =~ s/It might release before the end of 2008, but then again, it might not.  //
07:02.39dpkgSerajewelKS: OK
07:02.57SerajewelKSstinger05: well now you know it works on your system :P
07:03.14SerajewelKSnanonyme: /msg dpkg kp mantra
07:03.16legisSerajewelKS: that work nicely, thanks.
07:03.17stinger05hehe yeah right
07:03.20stinger05;)
07:03.29SerajewelKSnanonyme: with a few tweaks that builds packages on my system
07:04.05stinger05okay then thanks alot for the help
07:04.49nanonymeSerajewelKS: Hrm, true. I would probably have to make my install CD in any case.
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07:05.56SerajewelKSnanonyme: i had to effectively do this first:  for i in /usr/src/modules/*; do if [ "`basename $i`" != '*' ]; then m-a clean `basename $i`; fi; done
07:06.15SerajewelKSnanonyme: basically clean out the directories for -source modules i had used m-a to build
07:06.17nanonymeSo I might as well make the packages myself. (Considering aren't there install CD's only of stable releases?)
07:06.21nanonymeAh.
07:06.30SerajewelKSnanonyme: cause make-kpkg is too smart for its own good and decided to rebuild them for me, and it didn't go so well
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07:06.54SerajewelKSgod what's up with me and shell one-liners tonight
07:07.03SerajewelKSlegis: np
07:07.08nanonyme:D
07:07.45nanonymeHmm, e2fsprogs in testing looks new enough. I could probably make an install CD based on testing but with 2.6.28.
07:07.56SerajewelKSgo for it
07:08.00SerajewelKSi gotta get some sleep
07:08.08SerajewelKSgood luck, i'm out
07:08.14nanonymeNot right now though, I should get some sleep and it's 0908 AM.
07:08.17nanonymeNight.
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07:08.24nanonymeOr morning or whatever.
07:08.54ganeshtool to test the operating system
07:10.41ganeshhow can i come to know the operating system is good .. is there any tool to measure it
07:10.45PulpieI have to get the libperl5.8 installed for a certain program's dependant but this is what happens when I try to install it from apt. http://pastebin.ca/1296977
07:11.02Pulpieganesh: define good
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07:13.01craigevilPulpie: libperl5.8 (5.8.8-11.1+lenny1) is in etch
07:13.03ganeshPulpie, i want to know the efficiency of the OS when compared with other
07:13.30Pulpiecraigevil: theres no way to get libperl5.8 in lenny?
07:13.59craigevilooops sorry that is lenny
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07:14.14Pulpieyeah im in lenny
07:14.21craigevilits in the security repo
07:14.28peterSthere may be a way to get libperl5.8 in lenny but you can't have perl 5.8 itself, which you almost always also need
07:14.29craigevilhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libperl5.8/download
07:14.55Pulpiehttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/libperl5.8/download
07:16.03kingsleyIs there an audio server, like oss, alsa, etc..., that can be installed on two computers, so that any sound played on one is promptly also played on the second?
07:16.15Pulpiecraigevil: it still errors
07:18.19ganeshPulpie, did you get my query
07:18.35ganeshPulpie, how to test the OS
07:18.52Pulpieganesh: there really isn't a way
07:19.20Pulpietry running the same program
07:19.36ganeshPulpie, not clear
07:23.39Pulpieganesh: try running the same program on each os and see which os allows the program to preform faster/better
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07:26.49extorHow can I fix it so that the troughput from one single incoming IP never goes above 1 mpbs. Is that possible in iptables or do I need to fix that in apache somehow?
07:27.10lem0nunfortunatly thats not possible in iptables, i can tell you that :(
07:27.21lem0ni think in apache you can though, by use of modules
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07:28.16extorHow do people do this "traffic shaping" then, on their routers and gateways?
07:28.27extorFrom what I understand the shaping is quite sophisticated
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07:28.54r3r3you can shape per protocol asfiak
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07:29.03r3r3you can shape per protocol afaik
07:29.07extorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_shaping
07:29.35extorDoesnt iptables have all sorts of adjustments it can make like changing TTLs and doing TARPITs etc
07:30.28extorA traffic shaper works by delaying metered traffic such that each packet complies with the relevant traffic contract. Metering may be implemented with for example the leaky bucket or token bucket algorithms (the former typically in ATM and the latter in IP networks).
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07:52.26tarzeauhappy new year!
07:53.27yangsame to you !
07:54.47franklinhappy new year
07:54.52sdflkjhas flashplugin-nonfree been removed
07:54.54sdflkj?
07:56.14craigevilsdflkj: its not in lenny, grab it from sid or debian-multimedia
07:56.27sdflkjim using Xebian on an xbox
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07:57.39simonrvnhappy new year? it's the 31 o_O
07:57.40sdflkjwould i be better off running the flash installed script?
07:58.12phorce1simonrvn: across the dateline it is tomorrow already
07:58.21phorce1oh ... wait
07:58.33phorce1not for another 11 hours or so
07:58.37ManateeLazyCatHappy New Year.
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07:59.21simonrvntarzeau is in .ch
07:59.30simonrvnyes
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08:00.32phorce1lessee .. Pholippones is 14 hours ahead of me so its about 16:00 on the 31st there.
08:00.46phorce1s/Phi/Phi/
08:01.07phorce1damn I'm tired
08:01.17simonrvnobviously ;)
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08:02.58phorce1Rewiring for server move all day. Need to go shower and get some sleep so I can fifnish the wiring job before heading up to the woods for a couple of days. AT&T got my smartjack installed today so we can move the T-1 and servers Monday
08:04.24simonrvn:)
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08:11.57kingsleyDoes anyone here happen to know how reliably the "jackd" package can be expected to replace oss?
08:12.25cahoottwo different things
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08:13.09tarzeausimonrvn: hey :) where are you?
08:13.09cahootkingsley: alsa has replaced oss
08:13.18tarzeausimonrvn: i'm gonna party in solothurn w/ my gf :)
08:13.29kingsleycahoot: That may be, but I'd like to try jackd.
08:14.01cahootkingsley: you need alsa to use jackd
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08:14.33kingsleycahoot: Interesting.
08:14.51kingsleycahoot: In that case, perhaps my question should be...
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08:15.06kingsleyDoes anyone here happen to know how reliably the "jackd" and alsa packages can be expected to replace oss?
08:15.30simonrvntarzeau: across half a continent plus an ocean
08:15.34kingsleyFor example, do they have robust install scripts?
08:15.55simonrvnalsa replaces oss
08:16.34cahoot(round 2)
08:16.38tarzeausimonrvn: not that far, i want to go to the us once... cu
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08:16.54simonrvntarzeau: oh yeh, where to?
08:17.51simonrvni'm in what some people call .ca
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08:19.51Assidpeople working today?
08:20.04simonrvni guess some are
08:20.24Assidso i dont feel like a looser then. cool
08:20.51simonrvnlooser what?
08:21.08Assidthe guy sitting on his pc .. working away
08:21.13Assidon new years day
08:21.34simonrvnoh, "loser"
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08:24.29simonrvnAssid: loser is a relative term ;)
08:24.43Assidi guess
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08:30.56enoufAssid: are you sure you're in the correct day? :-P
08:31.11Assidenouf: didnt check the box.. lemme do that
08:31.38Assidyes time is right
08:31.39Assidyeay!!!
08:31.44enoufwow
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08:32.17simonrvnAssid: \o/
08:32.29enoufso, basically, removing adjtimex crap - and re{installing,configuring}ntp did it?
08:32.41ganeshhow to test the Operating Sytem performance
08:32.42simonrvnrm /etc/adjtime
08:32.44Assidyou know i never reallly understood what \o/ meant
08:32.56enouf!\o/
08:32.56dpkg[\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
08:33.03simonrvnput your arms in the air and say "yay!"
08:33.05Assidenouf: err no.. removign adjtime.. rebooting.. did it
08:33.17enoufAssid: touchdown / score! / win!
08:33.19Assidntp restarted and syunched itself
08:33.40enoufso .. a) not a+b :-p
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08:33.46Assidwho would have thought it could have been something as simple as that
08:33.56enouf!blame jelly
08:33.56dpkgblames aplsin and jelly for the end of life as we know it
08:33.59Assidoh btw
08:34.00simonrvnsometimes it is ;)
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08:34.13Assidi still have nohpet in my boot options
08:34.16Assidshould i remove that?
08:34.22enoufheh
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08:34.34enoufi'd not even reboot for some days ;-)
08:34.56enoufAssid: check out dmesg ;-)
08:35.26simonrvnAssid: up to you, but don't reboot for a while.
08:35.43Assidsimonrvn: i think i rebooted shortly after that
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08:38.51simonrvnAssid: http://paste.debian.net/24833/
08:40.39Assidhttp://assid.pastebin.com/d2b3ce2c7
08:40.49simonrvnthe * is the preferred source, and the + are like backups, if you will
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08:41.30simonrvnAssid: run it with -n to disable dns lookups
08:41.41Assidyeah
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08:42.30Jammin699does any one know how to install Wine on a Debian VPS?
08:42.43simonrvnthe - ones are "unpreferred" and ntpd considers them unreliable
08:42.54ganeshis there any testing tool to test the whole operating system
08:43.07Jammin699no i dont think so
08:43.17simonrvnganesh: you want benchmarks, what?
08:43.51Jammin699i want to run mIRC Bots on it and idk how to put wine on there
08:43.56ganeshyeah
08:44.10simonrvnJammin699: doesn't a vps just use the host system's stuff? (dunno, never set up a vps up)
08:44.18ganeshsimonrvn, yes
08:44.30simonrvn!bonnie++
08:44.37simonrvn!bonnie
08:44.37dpkg[bonnie] a File System Performance Benchmark
08:44.40simonrvn...
08:44.59simonrvnsearch for it, there are some...
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08:47.48enoufganesh: memtest86+, cpuburn, netperf, and lbs.sourceforge.net
08:47.57enoufganesh: smartmontools
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08:48.13enoufganesh: /msg dpkg what's my hardware
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08:52.21noobi'm following a tutorial online called (Using linux scp command (non-interactive) to transfer file to another computer) and would like to ask a question about authorized_keys..
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08:52.55noobit doesn't appear to know that my .pub has been added to authorized_keys or is ignoring it.. any suggestions?
08:53.27format_cnoob, have a link?
08:54.02noobhow do i paste it in here without getting booted?
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08:54.12format_cbooted?
08:54.28noobsome channels don't like links pasted directly into the thread.. i'll do it anyhow:
08:54.32format_cno X?
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08:54.32noobhttp://help.wavelet.biz/system-maintenance/backup-database-to-other-server
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08:55.37format_cWhy does the tutorial not mention it?...
08:55.39format_c# cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys
08:55.40DELLI've a DELL Inspiron 6400 , How can I connect to a local wireless network?
08:55.53noobyes, i've followed that step
08:56.11noobalthough authorized_keys lives in "/root/.ssh/authorized_keys" on my machine
08:56.31format_coh wait
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08:57.15format_cThe key has been installed on the wrong machine
08:57.19noobalso, why does it suggest i restart sshd service BEFORE allowing sysadmin user?
08:57.22noobhas it been?
08:58.12DELLPlease help me
08:58.14format_cThe public key has been copied on the target machine but not appened to the authorized_keys file
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08:59.11format_cThe target machine has been adviced to evaluate the authorized_keys file. So how could the target machine "know" the public key?
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08:59.22format_cwait I'm look for a nother tut
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08:59.55format_cnormally you don't have to edit the sshd_config strongly
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09:00.19format_cjust activating one statement by deleting a # should to the trick
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09:00.33enoufnoob: that's because you are root user, become a regular user, disable root logins, and your keys should be in your user's ~/.ssh/
09:00.58format_carg what lang are speaking?
09:01.16noobme? english.
09:01.30format_cdeamn i have a good one in german....
09:01.42nooboh.. rats.. i don't speak any deutsch
09:01.43noob:(
09:01.44tarzeausimonrvn: don't know yet...
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09:01.51noobenouf: root user on which machine?
09:02.12enouf<PROTECTED>
09:02.14noobenouf: actually.. i'm root user on BOTH machines.. lol.
09:02.56noobenouf: that's the only authorized_keys file that exists, and it's shown in the sshd_config
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09:04.08enoufnoob: see 6 Setting up ssh authentication using keys http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/438
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09:04.52s3ais it possible to use grub insteaf of the windows MBR when you ONLY have windows and not linux installed?
09:04.53format_cThat was the tut I was looking for
09:05.09enouf!\o/ > format_c
09:05.14noobenouf/format_c: i can only login as "root".. that okay still?
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09:05.59enoufnoob: well, just replace what you see ~/.ssh .. with /root/.ssh/ for your scenario, but .. well
09:06.26noobalso.. it's my cron user that will be connecting.. how do i find which user cron is?
09:06.36enoufs3a: sure, install grub, then chainload the Mpoop NTLDR ;-)
09:06.46format_cThen you have to allow Root to login via ssh activating the "PermitRootLogin yes" statement in the sshd_config file
09:06.51enoufs3a: might want to look at grub4dos, and/or SuperGrub disk
09:07.15format_cnoob,  the one who's crontab you use.
09:07.37noobformat_c: i don't know
09:07.43enoufsystem crons run with root privs as user 'nobody', IIRC
09:07.59stonedenouf, why won't you buy a new pc?
09:08.13s3aenouf, k, thx
09:08.16stonedenouf, you have something against them? why do you insist on using pentium 2 machines?
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09:08.24stonedand then complain about bloat
09:08.28stonedninkampoop!
09:08.46stonedwhoops
09:09.02s3aand by the way, does anyone expect lenny to be stable by june?
09:09.15stonedno tellin
09:09.46s3abased on previous releases (i wasnt a debian user then), how long did it take from freeze for it to be stable?
09:09.56s3aapproximately
09:09.58noobformat_c: i thought that an SCP command stores a fingerprint the first time it's run from shell.. why can't my crontab use the same fingerprint? because this key is NOT working still :(
09:11.15format_cfirst you have to know what user on which machine want to connect via ssh
09:11.32simonrvnenouf: depends (WRT "system crons run with root privs as user 'nobody', IIRC")
09:11.36noobcron (on local) will be connecting as root (to target)
09:11.45format_cthen on the client you have to create a key pair (secret/public) stored in ~/.ssh
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09:11.57format_cthen copy the public key on the target machine
09:11.57CAiRO_is there a way i can put my display into standby from command line?
09:11.58noobclient = local?
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09:12.25format_cnoob, if you want so say so
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09:12.34format_cthen jump on the target machine
09:12.49noobOH .. SHIT.. am i doing this backwards? i have to create the key/pair on local and copy UP to the target machine?
09:13.04noobso that local will SCP from target back to local?
09:13.06format_cappent the content of the public key file to the $USERHOME/.ssh/authorized_keys file
09:13.29format_cpermission has to be 600 or 700
09:14.38format_cthen activate PubkeyAuthentication yes and PermitRootLogin yes, if root is the target user, in the sshd_config file
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09:14.50format_crestart sshd on the target machine
09:14.57format_cgo back to the client
09:15.30format_ctry to logon with ssh -l<targetuser> <targetmachine>
09:15.44noobformat_c: i'm sorry dude.. i think i'm confusing both of us.. please let me start over.... i have TWO machines (LOCAL, REMOTE). LOCAL will run a cron to connect to REMOTE and SCP files from REMOTE back to LOCAL. .... on which machine must the key/pairs be generated; on which machine must the pub key be appended to authorized_keys?
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09:17.06format_cgenerated without passphrase on the LOCAL, appended to authorized_keys file on the REMOTE
09:17.21noobformat_c: i was totally doing this backwards then.
09:17.22nooblol
09:17.27ronrhi, I read a sqlite database from a nfs mounted disk; this is very slow, so I want to read it from a local disk instead, however, since others will be making changes to the db as well just copying is not an option (also because others will also need the changes I make), any clues?
09:17.35simonrvnyou can format it so the key is only allowed to run that command...
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09:18.33noobsimonrvn: do i want to do that?
09:18.58simonrvni'd recommend it, since you're doing this as root *shudder*
09:19.17noobsimonrvn: what flag do i use? "ssh-keygen -t ......"
09:19.39simonrvni don't know, man authorized_key . i'll go look too
09:19.43simonrvnkeys*
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09:20.41format_cnoob, use rsa
09:21.14simonrvn/AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT
09:21.45noob..?
09:21.49infinity_anyone know what the deal is with dash replacing /bin/sh in debian?
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09:25.44noobwhen i generate the keypair on LOCAL it says: The key fingerprint is: 16:52:85:ae:49:5f:e2:2b:e4:a3:32:bd:48:80:ee:90 root@linux
09:25.59noobwill that work, since it says "root@linux" with no real host addr?
09:26.08dios_miowhy is there no pidgin in debian, but instead gaim ?
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09:26.37craigevildios_mio:  its gaim in etch, pidgin in lenny and sid
09:26.45dios_mioI see
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09:27.35simonrvninfinity_: using a standards-compliant shell....?
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09:28.45infinity_simonrvn: i just chased down a script issue because of this dash/bash thing
09:28.53infinity_the script runs on ubuntu and debian boxes
09:29.01infinity_wasn't working on ubuntu because of dash
09:29.05simonrvnbashisms suck, mkay?
09:29.25infinity_so now i'm wondering why debian doesn't use dash when it was suppose to in lenny
09:29.43Lagboltinfinity_, you can use dash if you desire
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09:30.09Lagboltchange it in update-altern
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09:31.30ronris it possible to setup rsync between two directories and somehow get rsync to recognize a change in either and trigger a sync by that?
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09:32.48simonrvninotify triggered script and the script runs rsync...?
09:32.59craigevilupdate-altern? dpkg-reconfigure dash
09:33.46ronrsimonrvn: with incron? guess that should work... thx
09:34.25Lagboltcraigevil, yeah you can change it with update-alternatives
09:34.29simonrvnthat exists? neat.
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09:36.18Lagbolthmm, now i dont see it. it was update-alternatives --config sh. . . maybe that only works on lamebuntu boxes
09:36.55CAiRO_is there a way i can put my display into standby from command line?
09:37.24LagboltCaino, "xset dpms force on"
09:37.41Lagboltoops
09:37.45Lagboltforce off
09:37.55Lagboltmy brain is a lil off today
09:38.57noobenouf: no matter what i do.. it still prompts me for a password :(
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09:41.12myeggohello
09:41.34myeggoexists a command to remove all files except .mp3 from a directory recursively?
09:41.51simonrvnfind + xargs
09:42.01myeggoto remove?
09:42.18simonrvnyeh... rm to do the removal
09:42.25myeggoor i can move the mp3 to another folder
09:42.32simonrvnhint,use echo rm to test it
09:42.37myeggomv -R .mp3 folder/ ?
09:42.44simonrvn!folder
09:42.44dpkgfolder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes.
09:42.51myeggodamn
09:42.53myeggosorry
09:42.55myeggofolder is for windows
09:43.08myeggomy english is like 5 as a child of years old
09:43.43simonrvnit's ok, the factoid is more obnoxious than i meant that to be ;)
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09:43.56dpkgtold myeggo about using find.
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09:44.15empirichi all guys i want to use a good open source Document Management system webbased
09:44.41simonrvncute, i'll add that to mine
09:44.43myeggothanks for the link
09:45.08noobsimonrvn: any thoughts on why (despite the new rsa keys) i'm still getting prompted for passwords?
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09:45.36empiricwhere user can only view doc canot copy docs only authorized persons can
09:46.00simonrvnempiric: sounds like you want a CMS or something
09:46.49simonrvnnoob: home dirs - the key should be both on local and remote same use as you're trying to log in as.
09:47.11empiricyes which one
09:47.12empiric?
09:47.36simonrvnempiric: that's for you to choose
09:47.45simonrvnthere are dozens
09:47.58simonrvndrupal and concrete are pretty good
09:48.10noobempiric: look into zoho.com
09:50.00empirichey is its free?
09:50.19empirichey ist online
09:50.19stonedjoomla is pretty good too
09:50.27empirici need web based on intranet
09:50.39enoufnoob: check your sshd config (man sshd, and man ssh-keygen) , have you disabled passwd logins?
09:51.00craigevilhow the heck can you view something but not copy it? if you can view it in a browser you can copy it
09:51.14noobenouf: thank you.. i will look now.
09:51.20simonrvndon't /msg me
09:51.34simonrvncraigevil: YHRLY
09:51.51enoufnoob: IIRC, sshd config is in /etc/ssh/ssh{d}_config
09:51.58simonrvnnoob: um, ask publicly first?
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09:53.07noobsimonrvn: sorry dude. :(
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09:53.26noobenouf: how can i paste to you the contents of sshd_config (on REMOTE)
09:53.41eliknoob, look at the topic
09:55.42noob#flood
09:56.25enoufnoob: many ways - one is #flood, others are cat it to > filename, then upload that to pastebin - use pastebinit, use pastebin pipe, install gpm and/or w3m, etc etc
09:57.15noobhttp://paste.debian.net/24837/
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09:58.34noobenouf: did you see?
09:58.56empiricnoob i need my own intranet
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09:59.24simonrvnso put it on your intranet....
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10:01.11noobempiric: if your intranet is running PHP you could probably build a doc manager in an hour
10:01.26noobempiric: but that's another channel
10:01.38empirici have my debain ethch machine with php5 and mysql 5
10:01.50empiricwhich channel
10:02.08noobhttp://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=document+manager
10:02.10enoufnoob: lines 57 and 59 disagree :-P comment out 59 .. can you successfully login when you do enter the passphrase?
10:03.12noobenouf: if i run the cron script manually, enter the scp password, the files copy without fail.
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10:04.17noobenouf: # To disable tunneled clear text passwords, change to no here! << i don't think we want to disable >>
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10:04.25enoufnoob: that file looks old .. dpkg -l libssl* | grep ^.i and dpkg -l openssh-server
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10:05.14noobenouf: k.
10:05.33enoufscp passwd, is not the ssh passphrase - which you supposedly disabled, and are using public/private key pairs for auth .. so you're attacking it incorrectly IMO
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10:07.09noobenouf: i don't enter a passphrase when i created the rsa keys
10:07.11enoufnoob: er, you want to disable tunneled clear text passwords .. so either alter it to no, or comment it out - and you should not be root user IMHO
10:07.54noobenouf: okay.. i will ask to create a new shell user for me.
10:08.00enoufnoob: here's some good reading http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html , also see the fail2ban pkg
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10:09.10enoufhrm .. does he need to ensure the binary for scp is listed in /etc/shells ?
10:09.40enoufi have /usr/bin/scponly in mine
10:09.48noobenouf: yikes this stuff is way over my head
10:10.00noobi just want a cron to run
10:10.01noob:)
10:10.07enoufwe know ;-)
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10:10.33enoufnoob: i'd have to do it all here manually, and i'm too lazy atm, and too busy with other crap
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10:16.07noobenouf: thank you for everything.. i know when it's time to let something go.
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10:17.59enoufnoob: no prob - you will get it - do a little each day, or whatever
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10:19.16enoufheh #freenode-newyears? .. and occassional wallop? i think not :-P
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10:20.00enouflet's try this +w crap though, for shits and giggles
10:20.01kibibytehi
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10:20.31enoufkibibyte: ola! and ole! ;-)
10:22.02micolsremind me to mount my nfs shares so that i can play q3 and shoot rockets in the air @ 00am
10:22.22noobhas enouf gone crazy?
10:22.26noobolas and oles
10:22.35noobsomebody get this boy some halcyon
10:22.54enoufthe new years business is almost as disgusting a custom as is religious dogma days
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10:23.13enoufi don't need a calendar to tell me when to drink :-)
10:23.19noobdepends on who's doing the marketing...
10:23.23kibibyteits new year now at my country!!!
10:23.25noobwhat country, enouf?
10:23.28kibibyteyupie!!!!
10:23.33noobkib.. happy new year dude!
10:23.34kibibyte2009!!!
10:23.49enoufnoob: pretty soon all 365 days will be "Holidays" due to Marketing ;-)
10:23.50kibibytelets party!!
10:23.56simonrvnkibibyte: NZ?
10:24.03enoufkibibyte: show us the money shot :-P
10:24.03kibibyteno
10:24.05kibibytepoland
10:24.13noobczesc
10:24.13kibibytebut my clock is damaged
10:24.16kibibyteahahaah
10:24.23kibibytesiema
10:24.25`nstuffwait another 12 hours then
10:24.27`nstuff:p
10:24.41noobdobranoc
10:25.06simonrvnkibibyte: you're really off then....
10:25.26enoufsimonrvn: maybe we should point kibibyte to Assid :-)
10:25.47simonrvnenouf: ;)
10:25.56noobhappy new years you guys :) it's 5:25am here, and i gotta hit the hay.
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10:26.11enoufnoob: hey - same timezone amigo :-p
10:26.25noobenouf: OMG.. get some sleep dude! :)
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10:26.29simonrvnsame here
10:26.33noobNYC here
10:26.38enoufnoob: i just got up, not more than 2 hours ago - i'm rarin to go babay!
10:27.02noobyou get up at 3:30am? you're nuts dude.
10:27.20simonrvni've been up since midnight or so
10:27.20enoufnoob: i fell asleep just after dinner ;-)
10:27.34noobeither of y'all in NYC?
10:27.41enoufnoob: i'm north
10:27.42simonrvnno
10:27.49noob...carolina?
10:28.02enoufof the city, dumbass
10:28.04enouf:-P
10:28.11kibibyteNYC i want go there
10:28.19simonrvni'm north of *there*
10:28.23noobWarsaw.. i wanna go there
10:28.27nooblol.
10:28.34enoufsimonrvn: aren't you a bit .. er NW ;-)
10:28.36kibibytewarsaw?
10:28.38kibibyteit sucks
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10:28.47noobwestchester?
10:28.48kibibytesmall asian village
10:28.52noobpoznan?
10:29.01noobgdansk?
10:29.07enoufnoob: how long have you lived in this area?
10:29.11XaeroOneall the ubuntu software should work fine with debian right?
10:29.15enoufno
10:29.24enoufdefinitely, no
10:29.24noobwas born here, dood
10:29.38enoufnoob: ok, so yeah - you pegged the county
10:29.52noobi've got family in pelham and new roc
10:29.53noob:)
10:29.59simonrvnXaeroOne: NO
10:30.05enoufno shit? .. cool ..
10:30.23noobone aging cousin in Hudson, and one black sheep in new paltz
10:30.40enoufnoob: so you know how Suburbia is :-)
10:30.46simonrvnbuncha settlers ;)
10:30.59nooblol.. yea, but i live in the city proper.
10:31.08noobwhere we're EXPECTED to be up at this hour..
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10:31.14enoufnoob: bunch of yahoos all trying to outdo the next bozo in the ratrace that leads to ... :-P
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10:31.36noobyou voted for hillary, didn't you :)
10:32.08enoufnoob: traffic is so bad, that they start turning streets into one-ways only and corral people around the towns, so there's only one way in, and one way out :-P
10:32.31enoufnoob: i voted for nader actually :-P
10:32.52noobPortchester?
10:32.56noob<PROTECTED>
10:33.00simonrvnnoob: to me most of you are settlers, i'm mi'kmaq and abenaki
10:33.07enoufnoob: well all knew barack would win all the electoral votes (well half, which mean == all)
10:33.49enoufnoob: 1st off no, second, it's two words, like New Roch :-P
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10:34.07noobsimon.. is that irroquois?
10:34.23noobenouf.. whatever dude.. i don't have a metronorth card, so i can't read the signs all day.
10:34.24simonrvnno.... mi'kmaq and abenaki
10:34.50nooboh.. googling both
10:35.04enoufnoob: what?
10:35.11noobtribes
10:35.24enoufIroquois were/are an Indian Tribe
10:35.33simonrvnare, several
10:35.36enoufthere are many of them
10:35.41simonrvn6 nations
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10:35.49simonrvn(actually are 50ish)
10:35.52simonrvnaround*
10:36.11noobseneca, onondaga, oneida, mohawk, cayuga
10:36.20noobmy relatives are from montmagny canada
10:36.27simonrvntuscarora came later
10:36.39nooband chicoutimy
10:36.54simonrvnthe haudenosaunee adopted a lot of other nations
10:37.07noobyea but they don't teach that in school
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10:37.17noobso is mi'kmaq an irroquois tribe?
10:37.27simonrvnthat's innu land, the chicoutimi area ;)
10:37.32simonrvnno it isn't
10:37.47simonrvnwe're east coast "canada"
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10:37.57enoufCanuck! :-)
10:38.01noobheheh
10:38.02noobPEI?
10:38.06noobNew Foundland?
10:38.15noobNS
10:38.26simonrvnpei, NS, parts of NB and QC, and a southern bit of NF
10:38.30streunerhm
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10:39.09simonrvnabenaki are split into two main groups/areas, western and eastern, i'm eastern
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10:40.43simonrvnm family's from south NS, and some from cape breton island...
10:40.56elikChicoutimi area
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10:40.59simonrvnmy*
10:41.00elikwow, that's around here
10:41.19simonrvnyou're more north than i ;)
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10:41.33enoufsimonrvn: you guys must like it cold and damp .. at all times :-P
10:41.39noobeither way dude.. we should all be in bed
10:41.42noobit's 5:41am!
10:41.50elikfrom Mtl here, Sherbrooke actually
10:41.55noob... wait a sec.. it's not 2009 in Poland!! it's only noon over there.. hahaha.
10:42.21noobkibibyte lied
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10:42.33enoufnoob: nah - don't let man's pathetic attempts to keep track of the time/space continuum warp your sense of humaness ;-)
10:42.37kibibyteno shit
10:42.40simonrvni don't mind it. just gotta dress for it. besides, when we had free reign, we'd go inland to get away from the bitter ocean cold, and go hunting (many still do)
10:43.06noobhunting for...?
10:43.10noobdeer? moose?
10:43.11enoufsimonrvn: sweet ...
10:43.27enoufelk, caribou, bear, salmon, seal :-)
10:43.35simonrvncaribou, deer, moose, small game
10:43.48simonrvnice fishing ;)
10:43.49elikbear with bare hands
10:43.52lvhyum
10:43.53loralitillihi, someone got a blackberry storm? i try to load some music to my device, but it doesn't work, my BB doesn't show the uploaded file ... i use the folder /home/user/music/pcmp .. someone got an idea?
10:43.57lvhwait, sorry -- apt
10:44.14simonrvnloralitilli: try #pda ?
10:44.19noobloralitilli: it should be in device_memory
10:44.58enoufcheck dmesg | tail to see if your device is recognized by the kernel?
10:45.19simonrvnlvh: yeh but apt doesn't sound as tasty when munching on something :P
10:45.38loralitillidevice is ready, i see everything in dolphin, but my blackberry doesn't recognize the file ...
10:45.41mchelenloralitilli, how are you tranferring the file, usb?
10:45.48loralitillimaybe the folder is wrong, yeah usb
10:46.01simonrvnsee what noob said
10:46.09mchelenwhen you go to play the music on the BB, can you browse the directories?
10:46.26loralitillinope, :-(
10:46.47enoufsimonrvn: it's ~25° F here atm - what's yours?
10:46.53noobmchelen: depends on how you're accessing them.. the software gives you a feature to access media, and traverse directories (or is it folders? lol) the same way as a graphical UI
10:46.58simonrvn-15C
10:47.04noob34°F
10:47.14simonrvni dunno wtf F are...
10:47.17enoufsimonrvn: oh please .. with the C
10:47.17loralitilliaaah, it works ... found the function to rebuild the directories structur :-)
10:47.27loralitillithanks
10:47.28enouf!ansismite simonrvn
10:47.31enouf:-P
10:47.36simonrvnenouf: *you* get with the rest of the world ;)
10:47.40mchelennoob, if it is on the usb cable it should be mounted as a removable disk, does the bb desktop gui work on linux?
10:47.45enoufsimonrvn: haha .. i knew it :-P
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10:48.16lvh34 degrees Fahrenheit is just above freezing, btw
10:48.22noobmchelen: dunno.. i'm a device guy.. ask these folks about my debian knowledge.. hehehe
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10:49.04lvhit's 11/9 degrees centigrade to be precise (1.11...)
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10:49.16simonrvnenouf: uismite (no it doesn't exist ;)
10:49.24loralitillibb desktop software doesn't work on debian, and the software cannot connect to BB in my VirtualBox ... but its okay, i can transfer music to my bb :-)
10:50.02enoufsimonrvn: i know dpkg can do the conversion, i just can't get the syntax correct ;-P
10:50.06mchelenloralitilli, did you find the right path?
10:50.22simonrvnenouf: it's annoying... tried it in my bot the other day...
10:50.29enouflvh: yes, we all know 0C == 32F
10:50.44loralitilliyep, path was right
10:50.49simonrvn-40C == -40F, etc.
10:51.32noobi didn't know -40 was the same
10:51.33noobhmm..
10:51.36nooby'all are a smart group
10:52.00noobk.. goodnight guys.
10:52.04noobthx agian
10:52.05jelly-homedamn straight
10:52.07simonrvng'night
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10:53.40enouf11/9ths? i thought it was more like 9/5ths .. oh, is that kilometers->miles :-P
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10:57.02enoufResults 1 - 10 of about 44,400 for convert -15 Celsius to Fahrenheit. (0.17 seconds)    (-15) degrees Celsius = 5 degrees Fahrenheit
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10:57.19micolsloralitilli: bb=blackbox?
10:57.33loralitilliblackberry, problem is solved
10:57.35simonrvnblackberry
10:58.52enoufaha
10:59.00enoufit is 9/5ths :-P
10:59.08enouff =  9/5  c + 32
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10:59.28lvhlinear interpolation i say!
10:59.53enoufsmacks lvh with a few logarithms about the head
11:00.11lvhlog of a sum is..
11:00.11lvhem
11:00.14lvhcrap :-(
11:00.22enoufheh
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11:00.45micolsjust use google, then you wont have to use your brain :)
11:00.53micolsgoogle "x degrees to fahrenheit"
11:01.14lvhI love logarithms, they allow me to make comments more complicated than the actual code
11:01.19enoufsimonrvn: i did it! \o/
11:01.21enouf[05:59:12] >enouf< -15 * 9/5 + 32
11:01.21enouf[05:59:13] [dpkg] 5
11:01.36simonrvn:D
11:02.19lvhjust use gcl!
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11:02.27enouf!-40 * 9/5 + 32
11:02.27dpkg-40
11:02.32enouf:D
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11:02.49lvhIEEE 754 compatible?
11:02.50lvh!1/0
11:02.51dpkghmm... 1/0 is undefined
11:02.56lvhNice :-)
11:03.16ganeshis there any testing tool to test the whole operating system
11:03.22simonrvnperl-based, so i guess
11:03.23enoufganesh: !!!
11:03.27enouf!!!
11:03.27dpkgI'm not your csh prompt!
11:03.36simonrvnganesh: og ffs, really
11:03.37lvhganesh: your question is bad
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11:03.45lvhganesh: test *what*?
11:03.48enoufganesh: stop with that insane question - and you've been told!
11:04.07lvhTesting an operating system == testing software?
11:04.12enoufbeen told anyway :-P
11:04.36simonrvn.:02:10:45:.  .:03:42:55:. <
11:04.36lvh1. That's upstream's job 2. No, there is no tool that will automatically generate unit tests based on binaries
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11:04.51ganeshenouf, thats not gnough
11:04.58ganeshsorry enough
11:05.13lvhYou need to be beaten repeatedly before you'll believe us? :-)
11:05.22enoufganesh: /msg dpkg ask
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11:07.22ganeshlvh, like ltp , i need a tool to test the OS
11:07.46enouflittle tea pot?
11:08.02lvhltp - The Linux Test Project test suite
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11:08.58lvhganesh: Define operating system. Just the kernel, or everything in the debian repo?
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11:09.37ganeshlvh, everything
11:09.49grotoni would like to bring up the wlan0 wireless network interface, but i do not want it to set a new gateway route, because i am connected to internet by a PPP connection, which already is on and already set the correct default route. How to accomplish this?
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11:10.19ganeshlvh, not in the repo , the testing is after the installation of debian os
11:10.36lvhganesh: Like I have already said, there is no tool that automatically generates sensible tests based from source code, let alone binaries.
11:10.44grotoni.e. if i do ifup wlan0 now, i will have my route to the gateway (the default one) overridden, and i have to modify the route manually
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11:10.45enoufmaybe you want to read these 200+ page PDFs then  http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Linux+Symposium+2006+2007+filetype%3Apdf&btnG=Search
11:10.50lvhganesh: What's the difference between the debian operating system and stuff that's in the repositories
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11:12.45lvhWhat you want is "unit, integration and acceptance tests for everything"
11:13.07ganeshlvh, its something like functioality tessting of binaries present in the system ,
11:13.12lvhThere is no feasible way to do that easily
11:13.18lvhganesh: no sensible way to do that either
11:13.34lvhThere's unit and integration tests, and that's upstreams job, togehter with the maintainer
11:13.42ganeshlvh, do you know about ltp
11:13.43lvhtests are almost always exclusively done on source
11:13.45lvhyes
11:13.53lvhthat is not anywhere near comparable to what you're asking
11:13.59lvhnot even the same ballpark
11:14.09hizibizexactly
11:14.37lvhjust because they're both test suites that work on linux doesnt mean they're any more related than that
11:14.52jelly<ganesh> Pulpie, i want to know the efficiency of the OS when compared with other # sounds more like... benchmarking
11:15.00ganeshlvh, then how can i blindly install & work with debian OS without any knid certification
11:15.14lvhganesh: define certification
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11:15.39ganeshcertifications like lsb,eal4, etc
11:15.42lvhganesh: you can download the source for everything, most decent programs have extensive unit tests anyway
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11:16.16lvhyou want a piece of paper that says it certifies for $ARCANE_SPEC?
11:16.25lvhprepare to pay through the nose.
11:16.29jellyganesh: applications work even without the OS having gone through and expensive, and ultimately not very useful, certification process
11:16.35ganeshlvh, yeah
11:16.54lvhganesh: what you said earlier implied benchmarking
11:16.59jellyganesh: if your requirement is to have an OS certified, look somewhere other than Debian
11:17.00lvhyou're saying you want correctness tests now?
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11:17.38lvhAlso, if you run RHEL or whatever it is that has the certs you want, you more than likely will be running the same software
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11:18.03lvhIn fact, my latest RHEL update caused havoc, my debian stables have never done anything of the sort
11:18.20jellylvh: he'll have to run the exact version and patchset that was certified for, say, eal4.  Not anything newer.
11:18.23lvh(Neither have my freebsd boxen but they hardly run anything, and I havent updated my openbsd box since forever)
11:18.24ganeshjelly,not believing on certification , how can i say the product is safe & efficient when comparing with other os
11:18.45lvhganesh: safe and efficient are two entirely different things
11:19.05ktwilight_is there a site that tracks the major changes in lenny? i wouldn't want any surprises when upgrading from etch to lenny. like hda->sda in sarge to etch.
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11:19.21ganeshlvh, yeah understood .. how can you define in your product
11:19.39lvhAlso, nobody provides security guarantees.
11:19.40jellyganesh: would a written reference do?  Why do you need this?
11:19.55lvhIt's nothing but "covering your ass when the shit hits the fan"
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11:20.50simonrvni.e., BS
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11:23.04ganeshjelly, ok
11:23.33lvhdebian stable is used in production everywhere.
11:23.37lvhThese people are not incompetent.
11:24.16ganeshjelly, could you tell me " how the os should and what are adheres it follows to create the base system"
11:24.16lvhThey just realise that no amount of certification will get everything, and once the shit hits the fan, your box wont be any more or less down/compromised just because you had certification.
11:24.33jellyalso, it's cheap and works well.
11:24.55lvhganesh: apt-cache search lsb
11:25.34ganeshlvh, for what
11:25.45lvhganesh: lsb packages in debian
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11:26.05lvhganesh: That's what you asked for, didn't you?
11:26.09ganeshlvh, yeah there , what you want to say by this
11:26.24ganeshlvh, ok
11:26.38lvhganesh: You just asked me what the OS does to follow standard base systems (I think).
11:26.50lvhThe answer is: apt-cache search lsb, open your eyes, those are the packages
11:26.53ganeshlvh, yeah asked
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11:27.02jellyganesh: sorry, I don't understand that sentence.
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11:27.30lvhjelly: learn perl, it helps with parsing line noise
11:29.17lvhalso, certification policies that disable you from installing updates that fix security problems are WRONG.
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11:31.25ganeshlvh, my question is "on what basis you can say this is a perfect OS"
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11:33.55simonrvnganesh: no such thing as perfect.
11:34.23ganeshsimonrvn, ok
11:35.56simonrvnganesh: seriously, listen to those guys, they aren't talking shit to you. i'd highly recommend you disabusing yourself from whatever preconceived notions you have about this "certified OS" stuff....
11:36.50simonrvnit's just hogwash to sell to moronic managers who can't tell apart linux-based and windows.
11:37.14simonrvnmarket-speak is 99.9% bullshit.
11:37.23hizibizto my belief those are point of responsibility fixation
11:37.39ganeshsimonrvn,when i recommend to use debian , they asked me , these questions.. i cant go anywhere .. so i put up here ..
11:37.40hizibizwhen something fails u have a poit to blame
11:38.09simonrvnganesh: you do research, instead of presenting them with marketroid speak.
11:38.31simonrvnyou'll be better off, IMO.
11:39.09simonrvnknow your shit, and know it well, so you *can* answer any questions with real sense, instead of what they want to hear.
11:39.13ganeshsimonrvn, its not market of thing .. after that i also thought .. it is good to know myself
11:39.31simonrvnganesh: i understand.
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11:40.06simonrvnganesh: all too often it falls into that realm, and it isn't even you.
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11:40.37ganeshsimonrvn, redhat is having the certificate  for their product ( from open source )
11:41.03simonrvnsure, but it's self-certifying.
11:41.41lvhganesh: what's the value of a company saying their own product is good?
11:41.47ganeshsimonrvn, is there anything wrong to know much more of our product .. it is pridable one .. if i know this kind of stuff
11:41.59lvhganesh: Also, what I said before: debian will mean you run the same software, but usually with more bugfixes
11:42.09simonrvnganesh: like i said, know your shit
11:42.14lvhganesh: redhat doesnt have its own libc
11:43.12hizibizganesh: try a so called company support
11:43.13ganeshlvh, i confess that all the things from opensource .. but getting certificaion like eal is not all easy process
11:43.33lvhganesh: just because it's not easy doesn't mean it's meaningful
11:43.57simonrvnganesh: mind you i'm biased, but if i came at this from a less experienced POV, i'd still go with debian, bugfixes are usually very prompt, security is on the ball, and any problems are fixed ASAP. and these are *volunteers* (mostly).
11:44.18lvhalso, I have never had stable updates bite me in the ass
11:45.11lvhwhereas going from rhel4 to rhel5 seems to have raped ldap
11:45.14simonrvni've been with debian for 6 years, going on 7, and i've seen 1, maybe 2, security fixes fuck up.
11:45.25ganeshlvh, getting certfication for open source is not at all easy .. since they ask lot of queries before giving the cerification
11:45.38lvhganesh: You are repeating your statement.
11:45.40simonrvnlvh: use _ranger_'s stuff - ask in #ldap
11:45.49ganeshlvh, not repeating
11:45.55lvhsimonrvn: I already threw out the RHEL boxes.
11:46.02simonrvnlvh: :D
11:46.25lvhsimonrvn: I had redudant debian lennies for every rhel box
11:46.28simonrvnyou could've sent them my way, i would've debianized them ;)
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11:46.43ganeshlvh, since more number of peoples written the code & submitted .. how they will answer for those & get the certificaion
11:47.00lvhsimonrvn: there is something strangely satisfying about being able to rip a server out of a rack screaming OH YEAH? FAIL TO START THIS SERVICE, $EXPLETIVE!
11:47.02simonrvnganesh: um, THEY USE THE SAME SOURCE CODE
11:47.05enoufganesh: become a kern dev and stfu ;-)
11:47.15lvhganesh: you realise this code is also in RHEL, right?
11:47.25lvhganesh: THE SAME CODE IS CERTIFIED IN RHEL
11:47.34ganeshlvh, obvious
11:47.37lvhjust because debian packages it doesnt mean it suddently becomes shit
11:47.40simonrvnjust because it's another distro, it doesn't mean util-linux is going to be a different source tree.
11:47.44enoufcertifies ganesh as Certifiable :-P
11:48.00simonrvnfor example...
11:48.07lvhsimonrvn: They are being debianized, btw
11:48.20lvhsimonrvn: if the lenny boxes die now, I'm in trouble
11:48.21ganeshenouf, ok
11:48.27simonrvnIME, .debs are better quality
11:48.32lvhlikely.
11:48.51enoufwanders off to go find the straight-jack .. er i mean; pretty white coat ;-)
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11:49.16simonrvnonly accepted, or in-process, people can upload packages. .rpms, you can get that shit anywhere.
11:49.34lvhenouf: I'd go for a shotgun collar.
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11:49.44simonrvn(yeh, 3rd-party repos exist, but i'm talking about official repos)
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11:50.04enouflvh: well, if i had my way, the stockade .. outside where simonrvn is would suffice ;-)
11:50.06apostleproblems with aptitude....how to fix a broken software index?
11:50.22simonrvnapostle: depends which file
11:50.45enoufhow did you break it?
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11:51.26simonrvni can't make any promises how the owmen will treat you; it depends on your behaviour ;).
11:51.31simonrvnwomen*
11:52.25enoufhttp://www.knightsedge.com/medieval-weapons/medieval-stockade-4801g.jpg
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11:54.51apostlesimonrvn, Have to broken packages.....what argument can I run to fix them?
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11:55.43enoufapostle: see the -f option
11:55.47simonrvnapostle: you said, problems with aptitude....how to fix a broken software index? -- implies you knew which file it is, so tell me.
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12:00.50RoMhey are 2pcs in one power cord gonna be okay?
12:01.12lvhWhat?
12:01.21lvhTwo PC's, two power cables?
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12:02.13lvhOr do you have one of those ancient power supplies that has 2 plugs?
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12:02.25lvhI wouldn't put a PC on that second one.
12:02.28simonrvnGr33n3gg: WB. i saw you get accidentily k-lined... really felt bad, having the same happen to me.
12:02.51Gr33n3gguhhh k-lined?
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12:03.33RoMlvh: one power cord, 2pcs, 1 monitor (+ 1lamp and 1 router)
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12:03.57Gr33n3ggah nevermind.
12:04.11Gr33n3ggsimonrvn: Yeah thanks, my friend is the one who got me banned.
12:04.13RoMI mean, extension cord
12:04.14micolsRoM: sure, i host a lot of stuff on one power cable and one 10A fuse :)
12:04.25micolseven earn some on it :)
12:04.32lvhRoM: Power strip? http://bp0.blogger.com/_VpbykP204hU/RjtGW5ecYRI/AAAAAAAAAHc/Ztkue5512hM/s400/power_strip.jpg
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12:05.01RoMlvh: yeah man, in EU
12:05.12RoM220v I think
12:05.26apostleenouf, simonrvn  http://paste.debian.net/24842/
12:05.29lvhRoM: if your power strip has that many plugs, it's probably fine, yes.
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12:05.54lvhMost circuits are on 16A
12:06.13RoMnot too much appliances in one socket?
12:06.30lvhYou can probably draw somewhere near 3.5kW from that socket.
12:06.42RoMI mean, I have a printer here too, printers take even more power than pcs?
12:06.45lvhAs long as there are no heaters or microwave ovens on the same circuit, you'll be fine
12:06.51lvhRoM: nowhere near as much
12:07.10simonrvnGr33n3gg: some friend :/
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12:13.32Lagboltif i ssh to a computer and want to spawn an app on its display should that work with "export DISPLAY=ipaddy of the remote machine:0"?
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12:15.42simonrvnLagbolt: DISPLAY=host:0.0
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12:16.20Lagboltcool
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12:17.00Lagbolthmm, i get cant open display...
12:17.49simonrvnyou need Xauthority to have valid cookies; see /msg dpkg sshx for ideas
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12:18.26Lagboltthanks
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12:20.56Lagbolthmm i think that is backwards. i want to log onto the macine and spawn on it from here. not forward to the machine i am connecting from
12:20.56enoufapostle: so, pastebin your entire sources.list, and dpkg -l libc6 | grep ^.i
12:24.23simonrvnLagbolt: you start a client on the remote, to connect to your local x server, or you start a remote x server, and try to connect a local x app (client) to there, or do both either remotely or locally.
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12:27.45Lagbolthmm, looks like if i ssh to the remote machine and do "export DISPLAY=:0" then it does what i want.
12:28.04enoufbingo
12:28.25Lagboltsweet! works. transmission is running and i can see the web interface
12:28.27Lagboltbingo bango
12:29.28lvhLagbolt: where's the web interface running?
12:29.45Lagboltlvh, on a far away machine at home :)
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12:29.50lvhLagbolt: If you're trying to see a web interface over ssh, consider ssh -L
12:29.55lvhLagbolt: (tunelling)
12:30.18Lagboltlvh, no i was trying to start transmission on my machine at home without it forwarding to this machine. so i needed to get the DISPLAY set right
12:30.30lvhokay.
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12:30.38Lagboltthanks tho. i do love ssh -L tho!!
12:31.25H2S04I love ssh -xxx
12:31.27micolsi use -o tcpkeepalive, dont know if it i default nowadays
12:31.31micolsand -NL
12:31.50lvhH2S04: What does ssh -xxx do more than -x?
12:32.05H2S04rolls his eyes at lvh
12:32.06lvhreally really really no X forwarding?
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12:52.24zOOdwhat else but editing sysctl.conf for ip_forwarding to allow bridging between 2 net interfaces on a box ? (usb0 and eth0)
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12:57.02kjsyou guys ever needed to wake up a machine via wake on lan? is there any software to do this? I have never messed with WOL before.
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13:01.02enouf!etherboot
13:01.03dpkgfrom memory, etherboot is an open-source network bootloader a number of NICs.  http://etherboot.org/  Also ask about <rom-o-matic> and <gPXE>.  Later etherboot versions also support <PXE> booting.  #etherboot @ irc.freenode.net
13:01.23enoufer
13:01.28enouf!etherwake
13:01.34enoufhrm ..
13:02.37enoufkjs: see etherwake and wakeonlan pkgs
13:02.50kjsenouf: thanks
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13:03.33enoufkjs: with one of those, i forget which, you add info to /etc/ethers
13:03.47enoufman 5 ethers
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13:05.06enoufkjs: ensure your NIC supports it, usually there's a 2wire cable connected to your Mobo WOL riser from the NIC (PCI)  .. also parse info using 'ethtool <iface>'
13:05.22Flesjehow can i install drivers for my nic
13:05.23Flesje# make clean modules(as root or with sudo)
13:05.32Flesjethat is in the readme but it says make: command not found
13:05.38enouf<PROTECTED>
13:05.52enoufWake-on: ubg
13:06.02H2S04enouf, you are so smrt!
13:06.13H2S04snuggles enouf
13:06.16enoufH2S04: i'm so drunk :-P
13:06.23enoufH2S04: <jk>
13:06.28jabishappy new year few hours in advance
13:06.34enoufnot yet .. but later for sure ;-)
13:06.41kjsenouf: they are laptops
13:06.47enouffigures
13:06.48Flesje# make clean modules(as root or with sudo)
13:06.50Flesjethat is in the readme but it says make: command not found
13:06.52kjsshould support it?
13:07.12jabis!tell Flesje build-essential
13:07.16enoufhow would i know ;-)
13:07.18Flesjejabis
13:07.21Flesjedont have network or shit
13:07.25enoufhaha
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13:07.32enouf!rube goldberg install
13:07.32dpkg"Hi!  I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card.  I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
13:07.51H2S04enouf, hahaha.
13:07.52enoufFlesje: go grab grml.org/files small cd or something
13:08.12H2S04laughs
13:08.26H2S04If someone actually installed debian with a punch card reader I'd be really impressed.
13:08.27enoufFlesje: or, just install your NIC module like everyone else, and modprobe it ;-)
13:08.27H2S04:P
13:08.39Flesjeenouf not a linux guru so dunno howto
13:08.56Flesjethe readme is telling me to do it by make
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13:09.02enoufmodprobe <module> as root ; done
13:09.03Flesjethe drivers by debian are buggy/laggy and not working
13:09.13Achilleushello, I have installed squid, and redirected every  http: 80 request to 3128 the port of the proxy but I get the following page, however, if I use proxy in my browser I get pages normally.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/96877/
13:09.15Flesjethats why i need to install the new drivers
13:09.17enoufby debian? haha
13:09.30Flesjethat come with the debian network install cd
13:09.43enoufFlesje: how do you figure?
13:09.54enoufand .. what readme?
13:10.11Flesjerealtek readme
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13:10.15enoufhahahaha
13:10.17Flesjeand drivers from motherboard cd
13:10.21enouffalls off the chair
13:10.26enouf!realtek
13:10.26dpkg[realtek] a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi>
13:10.50simonrvnFlesje: i'm butting into the middle of this convo, but o_O
13:10.52enoufyou buy crap and expect to blame someone else?
13:10.55enouflmao
13:11.30Flesjeyes supermicro servers are crap -_-
13:11.40enoufFlesje: you might as well use ndiscrapper then
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13:11.56Assidsupermicro bad?
13:12.04Assidi like their ipmi
13:12.14enoufFlesje: yes, they are .. sometimes - anyone that puts Realtek shit onboard are losers, and only losers buy it
13:12.33enoufFlesje: go get yourself some Intel Pro nics
13:12.48Assidwhat difference does it make
13:12.49Assidseriously
13:12.50Flesjetoo bad stores are closed here already
13:13.00Flesjeand i cant get a 1u raiser card atm here
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13:13.34jellyAchilleus: your client looks an Ubuntu installation; are you running squid on a Debian machine?
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13:14.39Achilleusjelly, my client is ubuntu and squid on ubuntu server also
13:15.09jellyAchilleus: you'll have to ask for assistance in the correct channel, then
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13:16.26enoufH2S04: fwiw. i have this xpoop pro box on my LAN, that's completely blocked at the router from accessing any Internet .. which has been asleep for over a month - it's in suspend/standby S3 mode, and won't wake up for shit from WOL packets i fire at it - but i refuse to go push the power button to awaken it :-P
13:16.46jellyAssid: can you get remote power and console over ipmi?
13:17.00Achilleusjelly, thanks
13:17.15H2S04enouf, what do you use it for?
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13:17.21enoufH2S04: think i might let it stay in it's uninterruptible sleep state for like maybe a few years :-P
13:17.33enoufH2S04: was going to run media from it - onto the LAN
13:17.45H2S04enouf, why did you need an XP box for that?
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13:17.55Assidjelly:  yes
13:17.56enoufH2S04: i didn't, i found it ;-)
13:18.01jellyenouf: why not switch it off and save a watt or five
13:18.07enoufH2S04: by the curbside ;-)
13:18.16turneralexHey, i have someone connected to my machine, pts/0 can i see what they are doing and interact with them?
13:18.22Assidjelly: even load up iso fules and crap
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13:18.35enoufjelly: the only power draw is so minimal, it's like less than a 10w light bulb
13:18.38jellyAssid: how old a motherboard is that?
13:18.55Assidjelly:  xeon 3220 server .. not sure whatmobo
13:19.06enoufturneralex: try ttysnoop
13:19.14H2S04jelly, because we have plenty of watts.
13:19.18jellyAssid: I'd sure like to have some remote mgt for our remaining supermicros, but they're vintage 2004 or so
13:19.39Assidi thinkyou can get them pci cards
13:19.54H2S04enouf,  All my systems running are linux. Except for a windows machine I set up for guests but that's only on when people are over.
13:19.55jellyenouf: 10W * a few years = a nontrivial amount of money, better spent on beeer
13:20.13enoufH2S04: Assid: i got a Dellio xeon server here (circa 2000) that i also found by the curb  ;-)
13:20.33H2S04enouf, dumpster dive much eh? :P
13:20.42enoufjust cracked it open yesterday - 2x Xeons .. but it's RDRAM 800 - 2x256 + 2x CRIMMs :-)
13:21.00enoufH2S04: just following Bill's lead ;-)
13:21.09jellyooh, P4 Xeons and RAMBUS, nice
13:21.26H2S04enouf, what would you use it for?
13:21.33jellyenouf: for 2000 I'd have expected P3 Xeons.
13:21.38enoufNice dumbass Dell PRoprietary PSU though .. ugh
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13:22.41enoufjelly: ya know - i need to check that - but aye, i'm almost positive they're p4s since rdram wasn;t used on p3s? .. hrm .. i even have a list to check against, but i need a magnifying glass :-)
13:22.50einandI got to problem, first is why does it say a package are untrusted, and second, Why does it not understand that i have upgraded it.  http://einand.pastebin.com/m7f817af
13:23.01micolsi just got my power bill i owe around $3200
13:23.10jellyenouf: P3s had no need for rambus so it's probably p4, right
13:23.23H2S04micols, wtf you running a small data center?
13:23.24H2S04:P
13:23.40micolsH2S04: only a small one :), but i got a 24port switch, a lot of scsi disks and a few servers
13:23.59boltdpkg, tell einand about no public key
13:24.23H2S04dpkg, google
13:24.24dpkg[google] a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com
13:25.23enoufjelly: i see an adaptec onboard chip and an SCSI connector ;-) (although it's not being used) + there are 2 separate IDE connectors (being used)
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13:26.31einandbolt: it did say  key not changed on all four
13:26.33jellysomeone didn't have the money for scsi disks
13:26.49SerajewelKSi'm trying to run make-kpkg for a 2.6.28 kernel
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13:27.04SerajewelKSeverything is fine until it actually goes to build the package:  dpkg-deb: unable to create `../linux-image-2.6.28-burke-amd64_20081231_amd64.deb': Permission denied
13:27.04enouf1x AGP slot + 3x PCI + 2x ISA (yuk) + 1 funky smaller slot (loaded with something) above the AGP slot, i don't think it's PCI-X as there's no connections to whatever module is inserted - me needs a closer look
13:27.14jellySerajewelKS: are you root?
13:27.15einandSerajewelKS: are you running it as root?
13:27.21simonrvnscsi is nice, but expensive... a 36 GB i saw was 150 CDN, and a 40 GB IDE was 55$ ....
13:27.26SerajewelKSno, i am running it with fakeroot in my home
13:27.38jellySerajewelKS: is the current directory writable by yourself?
13:27.39bolteinand: ..what?
13:27.43jellys/by/for/
13:27.59einandbolt: i did run jagge:/home/einand#  apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update
13:27.59enoufsimonrvn: i think i recently saw awesome sales on small u320s disks ;-)
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13:28.18simonrvnenouf: i'm betting it's some rom or cache expansion
13:28.24einandbolt: but i still have the same issue, and it did say no key was changed
13:28.35SerajewelKSjelly: ah, i'm a tool.  yes, the directory is, but i forgot i was running this a root earlier and it didn't do so hot, but it left a .deb there owned by root
13:28.35bolteinand: are the packages you're installing in the debian archive in the first place? what are you installing?
13:28.39enoufsimonrvn: thjough if it's a u160 only, i might pass on that whole idea
13:28.40SerajewelKSas* root
13:28.45SerajewelKScarry on :)
13:29.10einandbolt: i'm just upgrading now http://einand.pastebin.com/m7f817af
13:29.11enoufsimonrvn: good point - i'll let ya know once i investigate further
13:29.13simonrvnoh you silly SerajewelKS
13:29.31SerajewelKSsimonrvn: hey i woke up like 5 minutes ago, leave me alone :P
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13:29.44simonrvnhehe, have a coffee then ;p
13:29.45jellySerajewelKS: forgot to --initrd? :-)
13:30.00SerajewelKSjelly: nah that's still there from when i ran it last night
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13:30.11einandbolt: as you an see ion3 and less, ar being installd, but it still sayes it want to upgrade
13:30.13jellychecks the kernel maintainers repo instead (of rolling own)
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13:32.20RoMhey man we got a problem
13:32.31bolteinand: which branch are you on?
13:32.36RoMdont remember my user password
13:32.44RoMnot even sure about the user name
13:32.50RoMluckily i remembered root
13:33.09einandbolt: unstable
13:33.29bolteinand: then i can't help you, sorry
13:33.38asgRoM: 1) figure out your user name. 2) run passwd <user> as root
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13:34.23boltRoM: also, your username is probably somewhere in $ cat /etc/passwd
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13:35.09RoMhey thanks man
13:35.16RoMchanged the password
13:35.30einandbolt: i just saw it was lenny ;)
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13:37.22RoMhmm, debian chooses different ref rate than xp, debian likes 75, xp goes with 60
13:37.48einandRoM: screen?
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13:38.15Stereohello
13:38.16RoMlcd
13:38.25RoMseems like 60hz is the reccomended
13:38.33abrotmanRoM: XP doesn't "choose" IIRC
13:38.41einandRoM: LCD only working in one hz
13:39.09RoMI can choose between 60 and 75
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13:39.31RoMunder xp its just 60 and 70
13:40.11RoMi think ill go with 60 then
13:40.25boltRoM: go with as much as your monitor will handle
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13:40.46einandRoM: doesent realy matter. but almost all LCD works att 60Hz
13:40.48RoM1280x1024@60Hz is the recommended
13:40.58RoMfor my screen
13:41.18bolteinand: mine goes to 70. quite a few do
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13:43.31enoufbolt: LCDs, by their nature, don't have a vertical HZ Refresh rate as typical CRTs do, with their electron beaming guns :-) ..
13:43.42RoMhmm.. dont remember how to do this anymore, need to get my eth0 up
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13:43.59micolsyou need etheragra
13:44.06enoufRoM: try some lube
13:44.26enoufmicols: haha
13:46.11boltenouf: they still have a rate at which they read a new image from the graphics card buffer
13:46.31RoMokay.. broadcast address
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13:46.59enoufbolt: that might be so, but has nothing to do with vert/hor refresh rates
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13:47.33RoMwhy cant it get bcast right automatically
13:47.54H2S04hey enouf I've got an old 500mhz lappy with a screen that only does 800x600 any project ideas?
13:48.04boltenouf: i never said it did. what i've been saying though is that it's better to fetch that image 70 times a second than 60
13:48.04enoufthe key feature for TFTs is Response Time .. but they all lie  as there is no standard
13:48.29enoufbolt: that's not what Refresh rates do
13:48.32H2S04enouf, I was thinking about turning it into a small network monitor and hanging it on the wall and throwing it on the network.
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13:48.54heath|workhello all
13:48.56boltenouf: refresh rates don't control how often the image is refreshed?
13:49.14enoufH2S04: i think you should learn from Bill's example .. as i have ;-)
13:49.15heath|workI am having an issue with creating a bridge connections
13:49.18enoufbolt: no
13:49.22heath|workhttp://pastebin.com/d111208ca
13:49.35Stereohello
13:49.36abrotmanH2S04: is the display the same size as the monitor?
13:49.47heath|workfor some reason eth0 keeps grabbing an IP via DHCP
13:49.49abrotmanH2S04: are you sure it can do higher? what is the video card?
13:50.04LibI've connected to a wireless  network for a first time some minutes ago , but when I rebooted the PC , then I can't do that , what's happening?
13:50.04enoufbolt: it's how often the image is redrawn/rescanned .. by the electron gun - then you get into interlacing and deinterlacing
13:50.12RoMokay I've assigned eth0 local ip address, but it doesnt func, wheres the hold up
13:50.20H2S04abrotman, it can't go higher than 800x600.
13:50.21Stereoabout that openssl bug from last may
13:50.29enoufbolt: there is no "redrawing/rescanning" in LCDs
13:50.36abrotmanH2S04: the display can't? or the driver?
13:50.43H2S04abrotman, the display.
13:50.54enoufbolt: that's the way i understand it ; anyways
13:51.08H2S04abrotman, I could hook up a monitor but that's kind of silly, the whole point of doing anything with it is so it'll be in a nice little frame.
13:51.11LibHelp me
13:51.15boltenouf: i know that. but then comes the question of what the hertz setting does for an lcd
13:51.18heath|workRoM, did you edit /etc/networking/interfaces
13:51.23StereoI found a box that had a sshd key (ie in /etc/sshd) that is vulnerable. Am I right in thinking the thing isn't a lot more secure than telnet?
13:51.25H2S04abrotman, I want to do some project like picture frame laptop conversion but a little more fancy.
13:51.26abrotmanH2S04: make it just a network terminal ?
13:51.36H2S04abrotman, already have a 233 mhz machine for that.
13:51.38H2S04:P
13:51.41abrotmanoh
13:51.55H2S04abrotman, not to mention I have my server next to my guest machine on a KVM switch.
13:51.59LibI've connected to a wireless  network for a first time some minutes ago , but when I rebooted the PC , then I can't do that , what's happening?
13:52.06H2S04abrotman, I can have physical access to the server whenever I want :P
13:52.09Assidyeay!my cell phone is around 266 mhz i think
13:52.22enoufbolt: i hear, it does affect it's "native" resolution .. somehow - i think it's all marketing bullshit though if you ask me - though there is something to the "native" resolution thing, i just forget what
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13:52.40Assidcant believe routers and all that other crap run on lesspower than  cell phones
13:52.48H2S04abrotman, I haven't heard anyone come up with neat ideas. best I can think of is network monitors....
13:52.51abrotmanH2S04: serve up debian torrents!
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13:53.02H2S04abrotman, already do that with VPS's in my server ;)
13:53.09enoufPrint Server!
13:53.18H2S04abrotman, I have an X2 4400+ server with VPS that does all the network services in VPS's
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13:53.31H2S04only thing separate is my router.
13:53.40abrotmanH2S04: can it make eggs?
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13:53.43enoufPortable DVD Player :-P
13:53.51H2S04abrotman, if I hook a usb skillet up to it.
13:53.59H2S04enouf, doesn't have a DVD drive.
13:54.03enouf...
13:54.08H2S04enouf, part of the reason I want to do this is the battery died.
13:54.10enoufhunk o junk
13:54.16LibThe iwlist scanning is shows the wlan0 and the network perfectly , but the network manager can't find the wireless device
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13:54.24H2S04enouf, and I have some old PSU's I could solder to the mainboard and have it work.
13:54.24enoufput it out to the curb .. i'll be waiting ;-)
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13:54.38H2S04(I have to use it a universal supply for it)
13:54.43H2S04the original supply died.
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13:55.12abrotmanH2S04: donate it to a needy family?
13:55.13LibNo one can help me?!!!
13:55.15H2S04none of my psu's of equivalent power have the right adapter, so I figured I'll just solder one to the connector.
13:55.15o2T7Hi, do you know any tool for creating a iptables script from the actual running iptables config?
13:55.23H2S04abrotman, I'm NEEDY
13:55.24H2S04:P
13:55.27abrotmanLib: you're being vague .. why can't it connect? are there error messages?
13:55.37boltenouf: wikipedia defines refresh rate on lcd's as "the number of times per second in which the monitor draws the data it is being given"
13:55.47enoufo2T7: iptables -save?
13:55.57H2S04bolt, but for TFT displays as he said there is no standard.
13:55.58H2S04:P
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13:56.19enoufbolt: there is no redrawing with LCDs - and no H2S04 that's not what i said
13:56.40enoufH2S04: i said for Response Time spec there is no standard
13:56.44H2S04enouf, Well from what I've seen there is no standard for response times!
13:56.45boltenouf: you don't have to keep telling me that. i know this.
13:56.53H2S04enouf, I've been up a long time leave me alone ;(
13:56.55H2S04cries
13:57.19enoufsnuggles H2S04 in return for prior snuggle
13:57.22o2T7enouf: Yes, thanks ;) iptables-save is what I was looking for
13:57.32H2S04meows
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13:57.34enoufo2T7: see -restore then too ;-)
13:57.44EoM_heath|work: empty
13:58.41H2S04So I have a single video card and two monitors I'd like to use but they are different sizes and resolutions is there any better way that using separate X-servers on each monitor?
13:58.44o2T7enouf: yes, very handy commands :)
13:59.00H2S04I dislike having the empty space with Xinamera or Twinview.
13:59.18jabisIs there a way to read certain(/your own) users outgoing mail queue
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13:59.32enoufH2S04: xrandr? using lenny?
13:59.43enouf!dual monitors
13:59.43dpkgFor a wide desktop over multiple monitors ("xinerama"), you can either configure your layout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or, from lenny onwards, with xrandr. See http://www.jejik.com/articles/2008/10/setting_up_dual_monitors_system-wide_with_xrandr_on_debian_lenny/, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2. Or ask me about <dual monitors etch> and <xrandr>
14:00.12H2S04enouf, yeah but that still leaves the lame space missing. :(
14:00.22enouf...
14:00.24simonrvnH2S04: you've been up a *long* time, haven't you
14:00.28EoM_seems like I've got the wrong broadcasting address
14:00.30H2S04enouf, I guess I just need to get two identical res monitors for it to work right.
14:00.33EoM_how do I solve this
14:00.33H2S04simonrvn, 36 hours +
14:01.01jabisI've received numerous reports for spam in our company mailbox from ie xyz@company.org -> xyz@company.org and inside the company.org the spam spreads onwards thru local delivery routes
14:01.14heath|workEoM_, your interfaces file is empty?
14:01.25boltenouf: "LCD monitors suffer from different problems than their CRT predecessors and refresh rate would more accurately be referred to as frame rate in their case (often locked at 60Hz)."
14:01.40enoufbolt: better ..
14:02.08boltenouf: frame rate would be how many times a second it polls the video card's buffer though
14:02.24enoufnever noticed that spec
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14:02.37boltor, reads it, rather
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14:03.17jabisrefresh rate != frame rate
14:03.20EoM_heath|work: it is
14:03.35Assidwill be a mirror for debian lenny during release party
14:03.41EoM_heath|work: maybe you gave wrong directory?
14:03.43Assidsomeone just ping me during it please
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14:04.03enoufnow you can argue with someone else bolt ;-)
14:04.13boltjabis: when speaking of an lcd screen, it seems to be
14:04.19boltenouf: just trying to figure this out :)
14:04.24enoufhehe
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14:04.40enoufsits back and enjoys ;-) </evil grin>
14:04.50boltenouf: something must be happening when i change my lcd hz from 60 to 70. it must, i tell you!
14:04.59jelly-homebolt: it just makes no sense to have a frame rate larger than the refresh rate
14:05.03enoufbolt: not here when i tried it
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14:05.19heath|workEoM_, /etc/network/interfaces  should have atleast something like http://pastebin.com/d6f31a5b0
14:05.23boltjelly-home: what are you on about?
14:05.25enoufbolt: i went from 60->75->60 .. not one iota diff
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14:05.32jabisbolt, add a vsync into play and your so called "frame rate" drops by half ;)
14:05.36heath|workEoM_, what does ifconfig show?
14:05.48enoufbolt: maybe it messed with the phase settings subtly, not sure
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14:06.17lvha nightmare corpse
14:06.23lvhwhoops.
14:06.31boltjabis: what the heck? i was trying to discuss what the hz setting on an lcd screen does, not your counter-strike fps counter
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14:06.41EoM_heath|work: /etc/network/interfaces is not empty, you gave me /etc/networking/interfaces at first
14:06.42enoufhahaha
14:07.30heath|worksorry: here is the network guide http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
14:07.49enoufEoM_: it's easy mistake, as the other important file is /etc/init.d/networking ;-)
14:08.03jabisbolt, 1st) I'm not talking about gaming 2) I'm talking about the basis of whatever "frame rate" vs the monitors refresh rate
14:08.08enoufi've even done it
14:08.22heath|workbut empty and non existent are two different answers
14:09.07enoufwell.. like DOS, Unix'y OSes create a file that's non-existant just from you trying to view it ;-)
14:09.09heath|workanyone good with bridging?  I am having a strange issue on restarts
14:09.15jabis3rd) generally speaking - I don't play games
14:09.30heath|worknetworking restarts that is
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14:09.54boltjabis: you so sound like you're hiding your counter-strike addiction right now
14:09.58enoufwell .. i should say "present you with a blank slate .. " atleast until you either a) add to it, and/or b) actually save it
14:09.58abrotmanLib: ask here, do not msg me
14:10.52abrotmanLib: the network manager can't find it? did you try connecting with other tools ?
14:11.20EoM_heath|work: hey man no problem
14:11.24boltjabis: but on topic, frame rate the way you seem to be talking about it wasn't the issue. we all agree on what the framerate does in the computer itself. the point here was that hz on an lcd screen doesn't really make sense, and so i was discussing with enouf what the effect of changing the hz actually was
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14:12.22jabisbolt, I can see a huge difference when switching below 75hz
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14:12.42boltjabis: what does it do then?
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14:13.18jabisbut the case is, I've gotten used to 100hz displays.
14:13.30heath|workAnyone have any clue why when I bring up br0 with bridge_ports eth0, eth0 is still receiving an IP via DHCP
14:13.41boltjabis: so what does going below 75hz do?
14:14.14jelly-homeheath|work: because there's an old stray dhcp client still running?
14:14.35jabisbolt, the screen flickers like it was "out of sync", and if I continue working on lower Hz I get migraine effects
14:14.54jelly-homeheath|work: did you ifdown eth0 before bringing up the bridge interface?
14:14.56boltjabis: your lcd screen flickers?
14:15.20simonrvnmine doesn't even exist. it's that good.
14:15.27heath|workjelly, yeah... check it out http://pastebin.com/d111208ca
14:15.31jabisnot flickers per sé, but my eyes have gotten used to more optimal Hz setting on the long run
14:16.02boltjabis: sure you're not talking about screen tearing? that's the graphics card updating the image buffer while your screen is reading it. that's what vsync and double buffering and such is there to prevent
14:16.02jelly-homeheath|work: those are the symptoms.
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14:16.20jabisbolt, yes I'm sure :)
14:16.34heath|workyeah... when br0 comes up eth0 still grabs ip's, then the routes are all screwed up
14:16.38jelly-homeheath|work: check your processes, and answer the question above
14:16.43boltjabis: the hz of the screen has really nothing to do with that
14:16.44heath|workI'm on it
14:18.19enoufjabis: LCDs don't do that when lowering/raising the Vert HZ rate
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14:19.16enoufit's almost impossible .. they are backlit .. there are thousands of tiny bulbs, one per pixel .. that are either on/off or somewhere in between
14:20.29enoufmaybe a Windows OS does some fugly funk (that it's not supposed to) through it's drivers .. but other than that - nope, not AFAICT ;-)
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14:20.41boltenouf: i do suspect though, that if my last quote holds truth, and the image is read more often on a higher hertz setting, the "broken" image where it's half overwritten by the next one, would be replaced sooner, thus reducing the symptoms of screen tearing
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14:21.02heath|workjelly, no dhcp running, and even after ifdown everything I get the same result
14:21.05enoufnah
14:21.09heath|workthis same problem would happen on another machine I have, all of the sudden a second default route would pop in the routing table
14:21.23bolttries to make sense of his punctuation in that last line
14:21.35enoufbolt: but really - i'm no stinkin expert, so i'll shutup while i'm ahead ;-)
14:22.04EoM_I aint getting anywhere with this networking issue
14:22.16enouftry harder
14:22.43EoM_-> /etc/network/interfaces restart - permission denied (root)
14:22.47boltenouf: see, if the screen reads the image while it's being updated without double buffering, you might get screen tearing. and re-reading the image faster would get the torn image off the screen sooner
14:22.53boltenouf: gah. i'll go away and figure this out
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14:23.49dios_mioshould one have mplayer or vlc?
14:23.57enoufbolt: "The closest thing liquid crystal shutters have to a refresh rate is their response time, while nearly all LCD backlights (most notably fluorescent cathodes, which commonly operate at (~200Hz) have a separate figure known as flicker, which describes how many times a second the backlight pulses on and off."
14:23.59asgEoM_: /etc/network/interfaces is just a config file
14:24.00boltit all comes down to whether the hz on an lcd makes it read the buffer more often, and if it doesn't, then ftw it really does
14:24.08enoufhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate#Liquid_crystal_displays
14:24.15jabisbolt, enouf, the Hz rate is the number of images/second you can expect to get - the higher it is, the more accurate it is to your perception, you don't experience the "flickering"
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14:24.38asgEoM_: use /etc/init.d/networking restart or simple use ifup <iface> | ifdown <iface>
14:24.47boltjabis: the number of images you can expect to get?
14:24.55enoufjabis: i stand by what i've said
14:24.57boodieHi happy new year, could anybody suggest me a REGEXP to turn 2008-12-31 into '2008-12-31' ?
14:25.41jelly-homeheath|work: what do you mean no dhcp running, you ought to have at least one for the br0 iface
14:25.49rwaiteboodie: wha?
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14:25.56jelly-homeheath|work: ps -fe |grep dh ?
14:25.59boltenouf: read that. still doesn't explain what the heck the hz setting does. also, the response time is how fast a pixel can change from one color to another. this doesn't necessarily have to be tied to how often the screen reads a new image from the graphics card
14:25.59asgboodie: s/(.*)/
14:26.10asgboodie: s/(.*)/'\1'/
14:26.12jabisenouf, bolt, if you lower your monitors Hz rate, the monitor's backlighting switching is slower
14:26.21boltjabis: wrong.
14:26.32enoufjabis: no
14:26.34asgboodie: or something similar.
14:27.10enoufbolt: do you really want to start talking about vram and video buffers and GART and all that?
14:27.15jabisexpect to get = the number of times / process cycle and yes
14:27.18jelly-homeheath|work: something dhclient3 or dhclient or pump?
14:27.29boltjabis: and no
14:27.30EoM_okay, now ping just hangs, doesnt say it cant connect or anything
14:27.31jelly-homesomething like*
14:29.11boltenouf: not really. i expect we agree on that issue as well. i mentioned it more to satisfy the counter-strike addict here. just trying to figure out what the hz does. tying it to the response time doesn't seem all that logical, since the response time will be different for each individual pixel depending on what its previous color value was
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14:29.48EoM_I think it automatically assigns wrong broadvast address since I have dhcp off
14:30.20simonrvnheath|work: some forgotten cron job?
14:30.23boltenouf: i also don't expect a lower hz to actually effect the reponse time, because it really wouldn't make much sense to be able to control the reponse time from the graphics card, much as it doesn't make sense to control the backlight frequency
14:31.04xandhmm, since rebooting earlier my NFS mounts don't mount on boot; I have to do mount -a afterwards... wonder what's causing that
14:31.20enoufbolt: to adress the latter part there - yes it seems logical, as that's how your eye perceives motion, or change - basically 'changes in color' from pixel to pixel
14:31.37simonrvnxand: fubar init script, i'd guess
14:31.42jelly-homeheath|work: fwiw I have an explicit manual stanza for eth0: http://paste.debian.net/24854/
14:32.03boltenouf: which part?
14:32.12enoufbolt: the backlight frequency is still not the flicker rate, which is what response time is supposed to elude to
14:32.19boodieasg: the strings are in a TXT file, including a long set of rows such as "2, 33.5, FALSE, 2008-12-31" ... I would like to turn it into "2, 33.5, FALSE, '2008-12-31'" ; would one use AWK to fo this?
14:32.28enoufbolt: 200Hz is high enough for Cats :-P
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14:32.49asgboodie: you can but perl may be easier depending on your skill set
14:32.56enoufbolt: above pertained to " tying it to the response time doesn't seem all that logical, sin"
14:32.59simonrvnenouf: alude
14:33.00jelly-homeboodie: what are you going to import that into?
14:33.09enouf!dict elude
14:33.13dpkgDictionary 'elude' (2 of 5): escape, either physically or mentally; "The thief eluded the police"; "This difficult idea seems to evade her"; "The event evades explanation"  ;; avoid or try to avoid fulfilling, answering, or performing (duties, questions, or issues); "He dodged the issue"; "she skirted the problem"; "They tend to evade their responsibilities"; "he evaded the questions skillfully" .
14:33.19boltenouf: jabis was the one going on about backlight frequency.
14:33.20boodiejelly-home: postgresql
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14:33.32enouf!dict allure
14:33.35enouf;-)
14:33.36dpkgDictionary 'allure' (3 of 6): appeal, bait, bewitch, captivate, charisma, charm, decoy, delude, draw, enchant, entice, entrap, fascinate, fascination, glamour, inveigle, lead on, magnetism, magnetize, seduce, take, tempt, toll, wile, witchcraft, witchery, woo ;; \Al*lure"\, n. Allurement. [R.] --Hayward. [1913 Webster] ;; dispose or incline or entice to; "We were tempted by the delicious-looking food" .
14:33.39boltenouf: so you think the response time of each pixel is affected by the screen's hz setting?
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14:33.49enoufbolt: no
14:33.58einandstrange i get
14:33.59einandErr file: apt-build/main debian-keyring 2008.07.22 File not found
14:34.07enoufbolt: which "hz" setting? Vert Refresh?
14:34.15enoufif so , no
14:34.32boltenouf: which is why i said that didn't seem logical
14:34.35enoufgives up and goes to find the Scotch - Happy New Year! ;-)
14:34.41enoufheh
14:34.49xandsimonrvn: no init scripts have changed
14:35.00jelly-homeboodie: assuming your line is quoted exactly as is, with spaces following commas, awk -F', ' {print $1 ", " $2 ", " $3 ", '\''" $4 "'\''}' < file
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14:35.14liableisnt it like 8am there? boozehead!
14:35.22simonrvn9:35
14:35.40nanonymeIt's 1635 here and I just woke up.
14:35.42enoufbolt: the "flicker rate" appears to be some measurement of how one's eye perceives how well the Response Time frequency is affecting the overall picture, IMO
14:35.58enoufbolt: er s/frequency//
14:36.07enoufsince it's in ms
14:36.15jelly-homeboodie: make that awk -F', ' '{print $1 ", " $2 ", " $3 ", '\''" $4 "'\''"}'
14:36.19boltenouf: so we agree that neither the backlight frequency, nor the response time is affected by the vertical refresh rate set for an lcd monitor. so i'm back and what the heck it really does.
14:36.50EoM_what the hell does this thing want, set static ip address, netmask, gateway  to eth0 but still doesnt func
14:37.45enoufbolt: and i'm back to what i said; ] <enouf> bolt: i hear, it does affect it's "native" resolution .. somehow - i think it's all marketing bullshit though ...
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14:38.13boodiejelly-home: In fact no, the line 2, 33.5, FALSE, 2008-12-31 , given as a sample, has a 33.5 (a decimal figure), it could be a round figure, it could be 1230 or whatsoever. In fact I'd need just to put an ISO date between quotes ...
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14:38.28nanonymeHrm, ms + LCD's... Talking about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag#Input_lag_versus_response_time
14:38.30boltenouf: okay. happy new year :)
14:38.34NoReGreTwhy there is no regular firefox3 in the repos ?
14:38.36boltgives up on lcd's
14:38.45boltwhere's my old 21 inch tube at?
14:38.58enouflook in the Bong closet O_o
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14:39.18Lagboltlol
14:40.02nanonymeNoReGreT: A guess: License reasons?
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14:40.20jelly-homeboodie: I'm just inquiring about the delimiter (the -F parameter to awk), the rest is less important
14:40.26simonrvn!iceweasel
14:40.26dpkgfrom memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch.  It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/).  To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
14:40.36NoReGreTnanonyme: then forget v3, I just want to have the regular ff and no iceweasel
14:40.38simonrvnNoReGreT: ^^^
14:40.41NoReGreTah
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14:41.10einandnot apt-get and aptitude has blowned my system away :( http://einand.pastebin.com/m496d37d8
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14:41.25jabisI'll make a few jack daniels' and get back then to argue about the effects x)
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14:41.30NoReGreT!why iceweasel
14:41.30dpkgDue to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information.
14:41.35jelly-homeboodie: that last awk line does what you want with the fourth column
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14:42.47boodiejelly-home: awk -F', ' '{print $1 ", " $2 ", " $3 ", '\''" $4 "'\''"}'     ...?
14:42.58xandsimonrvn: apparently it doesn't like my usb network adaptor being unplugged at boot, not that that is needed for NFS
14:43.01nanonymeNoReGreT: The code itself is identical, don't think about the name. :)
14:43.08simonrvnxand: wtf
14:43.14NoReGreTsimonrvn: since iceweasel is based on ff2, can it updated to 3 ?
14:43.26jelly-homeboodie: yes, have you tried it already?
14:43.32xandiceweasel in lenny is version 3
14:43.35simonrvnit is 3
14:43.39boodieNope, I'm goin to
14:43.39EoM_what the hell does this thing want, set static ip address, netmask, gateway  to eth0 but still doesnt func
14:43.44simonrvnetch it's 2
14:43.47enoufsimonrvn: dammit, you were half-correct, it is "allude" .. my bad ;-)
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14:43.59NoReGreTI see
14:44.11simonrvni typoed it
14:44.12liableenouf: can you ping the gateway?
14:44.16nanonymeHrm, wonder if someone has backported Iceweasel 3 to Etch.
14:44.17liableEoM_: ^^
14:44.29enoufsimonrvn: and i typoed !dict allure ;-)
14:44.38EoM_liable: yes i can
14:44.38enoufliable: which?
14:44.41simonrvn!pal enouf
14:44.42dpkgpoints at enouf and laughs
14:44.42xandremoves eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces and NFS mounts work at boot
14:44.43xandstupid thing
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14:44.51jelly-homenanonyme: won't happen afair, it needed a newer GTK+
14:44.55NoReGreTanybody knows the repo for pidgin ? pidgin.im is down....
14:45.06liableEoM_: and whats the problem then?
14:45.09enoufliable: ahh .. mistab ;-)
14:45.14liableenouf: aye
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14:45.26xandNoReGreT: it's in debian?
14:45.36EoM_liable:no idea, cant ping any network addresses
14:45.38lvhA bit offtopic, but almost all MS Zunes (media players -- think iPod) died a few hours ago
14:45.40xandwell, on lenny anyway
14:45.42lvhHahahahahahahaha!
14:45.46simonrvnxand: lenny+
14:45.52EoM_liable: maybe it doesnt get the dns addresses fomr the gateway as it shoul
14:45.53NoReGreTxand: i'm running etch
14:46.04simonrvnlvh: what happened?
14:46.04xandEoM_: is the  network card actually up?
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14:46.08nanonymeThen it seems you have to go to Lenny to get it. :)
14:46.10heath|workjelly, I tried adding your eth0 stanza in my interfaces file, I'm still getting the same thing, but now I am showing a pid for dhcpclient on eth0
14:46.18liableEoM_: you cant ping by domain name or ip?
14:46.21heath|workI have all the auto's on 1 line, should they be separate? mine is auto lo br0 eth0
14:46.27heath|workjelly, I tried adding your eth0 stanza in my interfaces file, I'm still getting the same thing, but now I am showing a pid for dhcpclient on eth0
14:46.30heath|workI have all the auto's on 1 line, should they be separate? mine is auto lo br0 eth0
14:46.31lvhsimonrvn: No idea yet, as soon as 2k9 hit (on the unknown islands somehwere in the pacific) all Zunes bricked
14:46.40heath|workjelly, I tried adding your eth0 stanza in my interfaces file, I'm still getting the same thing, but now I am showing a pid for dhcpclient on eth0
14:46.43heath|workI have all the auto's on 1 line, should they be separate? mine is auto lo br0 eth0
14:46.45simonrvnhehehehe
14:46.45nanonyme(Or otherwise backport *both* GTK+ and Iceweasel 3 which might break things)
14:46.52xandheath|work: stop repeating yourself!
14:46.54jelly-homeruns away in horror
14:47.03simonrvnW.T.F.
14:47.04EoM_xand: its up yes
14:47.06lvhsimonrvn: Also, the official MS boards are down
14:47.15simonrvnlvh: hehehe
14:47.19enoufhears the shrills all the way from the bat cave
14:47.24lvhsimonrvn: Either their servers suck and couldn't handle the load, or they're actively censoring
14:47.25heath|workxand, sorry... they are not showing up on my screen for some reason
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14:47.48simonrvnlvh: prolly a little bit of both ;)
14:47.51lvhsimonrvn: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/gen-1/38114-zune-frozen-34.html
14:47.53heath|worklol... I am messing with my network card so I keep dropping the connects
14:47.53xandlvh: their servers run Windows. what do you think? :P
14:47.56lvhsimonrvn: Good luck getting through to that
14:48.04lvhxand: MS also has near-infinite funds
14:48.10xand</troll>
14:48.12dutchfishAssid, hi i have new info for you (related to your problem last night)
14:48.28rwaitei am thinking of buying one of those sansa mp3 players
14:48.32lvhsimonrvn: (that link isn't an MS board)
14:48.38lvhrwaite: Cowon.
14:48.45lvhrwaite: Plays OGG :-)
14:48.46rwaitecow on what?
14:48.50rwaitemeh, ogg
14:48.54rwaitei prefer flac mysql
14:48.57lvhAnd FLAC
14:48.57rwaitemyself*
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14:49.05lvhrwaite: haha.
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14:49.14simonrvn!rwaite++
14:49.19simonrvntypo of the day
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14:49.30EoM_liable: for IP it says network is unreachable, for domain it says unknown host
14:49.41rwaiteheh, i do that all the time... and i dont even particularly use mysql that much
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14:49.53lvhEoM_: route
14:50.02simonrvni have a sansa express... it's ok, it'd better better with rockbox on it ;).
14:50.09simonrvnit'd be*
14:50.13jabisbolt, enouf, just have to butt you out with one more bit of info I got - the refresh setting can produce this "flicker" because of poor drivers hooked to the system setting (Hz) of the monitor - the drivers may not send more frames per second to the screen that has been capped in the system setting - thanks to CRT support ... okie so I don't actually give a rat's ass, but it was nice to have a final argument for this year :D
14:50.44lvhEoM_: Most likely you have none, or bad, routes -- meaning it cant get to the network (unreachable) and it won't resolve the name (are you running a dns server, albeit a tiny referring one like dnsmasq, on localhost?)
14:51.16kang_hi,body. i'm new to debian, i'm trying to install adobe flash player 10 . can anybody tell me where is the location i shoud put the flash.so to. thx
14:51.32lvhkang_: the tarball comes with an installer script
14:51.38lvhkang_: run that as a user
14:51.43simonrvn!flashplugin-nonfree
14:51.44dpkgAdobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
14:51.44abrotmankang_: which version of debian?
14:51.56EoM_lvh: i'm gettint 1 route, dest is 192.168.0.1 gateway says '*'
14:52.02kang_but i wan't install it as systemwide
14:52.16kang_thanks lvh
14:52.18lvhkang_: if you want to do it manually: ~/.mozilla/plugins
14:52.25abrotmankang_: which version of debian?
14:52.26kang_debian lenny
14:52.35abrotman!tell kang_ about dmm
14:52.53EoM_lvh: my router should give dns servers
14:52.53lvhEoM_: default?
14:53.02EoM_default what?
14:53.02boodiejelly-home: the result was:                 '2,21',3,'FALSE',1,2007-07-10, , , ''
14:53.04lvhEoM_: Does it hand out DHCP leases?
14:53.09lvhEoM_: Is that the default route?
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14:53.16EoM_lvh: dhcp is disabled on router
14:53.25EoM_i'm trying to set up static
14:53.31lvhEoM_: You have no default route. This is your problem.
14:53.42lvhEoM_: Add a default route with 192.168.0.1 as the gateway
14:54.01EoM_but 192.168.0.1 is not my gateway
14:54.12heath|workEoM_, cat /etc/resolv.conf
14:54.18lvhEoM_: also, that route is bad -- you shouldn't have a route with destination 192.168.0.1
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14:54.33lvhheath|work: he cant even get outside his network -- the problem isnt dns yet
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14:54.46lvhEoM_: were you manually trying to add a route?
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14:55.11lvhEoM_: delete that route, and then route add default gw $YOUR_GATEWAY
14:55.22lvhEoM_: Replace $YOUR_GATEWAY with the ip of your router
14:55.59lvhEoM_: Also make sure you're in the same network (ie take a look at your netmask and make sure you're not on /31 with your router on the other side of the /24)
14:56.33EoM_hey it works
14:56.43EoM_did it with gnome networkmanager somehow
14:56.44lvhYou probably also want a route with dest 192.168.0.0 and gw * so you can access your local network
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15:04.18EoM_gotta get a new kernel now :)
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15:06.01heath|workI have got eth0 to stop requesting dhcp... it was the network manager in gnome :S  , now I can not get DNS working for some reason
15:06.11Assiddutchfish: ?
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15:07.21Assidmore info dutchfish?
15:07.51dutchfishAssid, about time drift on VMs and dependecy of the host xen has echo [0|1] /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock ; dependent/undependent wallclock for KVM read this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob_plain;f=arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c;hb=5d2007ebc278525cbe8d2e3ef559a4b191ee4ded
15:08.16Assiddutchfish: wasnt using any kvm/xen at that moment
15:08.24tech13Having a weird issue with xorg and my mouse.  Fast single clicks register as a double-click, slow single clicks are okay, usually.   xorg.conf only has one mouse input defined.  problem started yesterday, today it is significantly worse.  Suggestions on what to check?
15:08.35dutchfishAssid, i know, but you said you maybe would
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15:08.39Assidoh yes
15:08.59enoufEoM_: you're welcome
15:09.00dutchfishAssid, save it for future, was nice studie to find out so ;)
15:09.26Assidthanks.. will do so.. but knowing my excuse for a brain.. i might end up here.. saying hey thats for xen.. what abt kvm
15:10.00enoufdutchfish: the URL i posted long ago alluded to that setting as well, however, i knew there was no Xen involved, so i gave the URL for other reasons
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15:10.36dutchfishAssid, so far as i can see now kvm is still dependent with wallclock, i think because the proposed indepedant paches would not compile and where rejected
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15:10.57Assiddutchfish: so since its dependant.. it should be ok?
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15:11.17dutchfishAssid, not on flaky hardware i am afraid
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15:11.38dutchfishAssid, but xen would no nicely
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15:11.42Assidcrap
15:11.54dutchfishs/no/do
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15:11.56Assidmy xen knowledge is less than kvm.. and that means -1
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15:12.17dutchfishAssid, atm xen is easier to catchup
15:12.19heath|workdo I need to manually add dns-search and dns-nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf?  Or should putting those in interfaces be enough?
15:12.37dutchfishAssid, it almost run out of the box
15:12.40Assidreally? kvm was nic and easy.. 1 cli line.. and wham your up
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15:13.09dutchfishAssid, kvm has alot that needs tweaking and vnc is a pita, but will be solved in future
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15:13.23Assidso you think xen is the way to go?
15:13.34dutchfishAssid, depends on what you want to do with it
15:14.01dutchfishAssid, for desktop use (simulating stuuf and so) i prefer kvm, on production systems (servers) i use XEN
15:14.06AssidVPS containers..  something like what they sell to end users
15:14.29dutchfishAssid, but KVM is very promising and catching up fast
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15:14.46Assidyeah i heard -82 is pretty ddecent
15:15.32dutchfishAssid, whe are getting there, but not exactly now
15:16.20dutchfishAssid, both have still a catchup to do with decent tools being XEN a bit ahead atm
15:16.28Assidright
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15:16.48Assidbut the rate kvm i heard is catching up.. future might be a bit different..
15:17.01dutchfishAssid, yes, might be so
15:17.05Assidofcourse thats everyones guess who leads and for how long
15:17.22RichiHis anyone using rake, in here?
15:17.34RichiHif yes, i need their help in triaging a bug
15:17.35RichiHhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379942
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15:17.56Assidanywyas.. one thing i know for certain.. next debian release party.. i wanna host unofficial mirror. like i did for ubuntu
15:17.57dutchfishAssid, XEN is there and it will not go, but it all depends on your needs, they are have save goals but very different implementations
15:18.12dutchfishs/sev/same
15:18.25Assid!xen
15:18.26dpkgit has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer.  OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications).  Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support.  For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
15:18.44dutchfish!hvm
15:18.44dpkgwell, hvm is used under xen to allow full virtualization of unmodified operating systems such as windows and unmodified kernels, for this to work you need a CPU with intel's VT or amd's pacifica support. xen also needs a special package xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 (Etch) to work with hvm. Read this for futher information on motherboards http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Motherboards
15:19.03Assiddoesnt kvm use hvm as well
15:19.37dutchfishAssid, you can read all about it on the net ;) dont want to be offtopic for to long
15:19.48Assidhrmm no 32 bit guest os support..
15:19.57dutchfishAssid, both do
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15:20.10Assidas per the url no
15:20.18dutchfishAssid, as per now yes
15:20.21AssidSince Lenny only includes 32 bit (PAE) kernel support which means there is no installer support for 64 bit guests. You can continue to use the Etch kernels or obtain a newer upstream kernel which supports 64 bit operation (2.6.27+).
15:20.29Assidi.e. on lenny
15:20.56dutchfishAssid, you cant run a 64bit VM on a 32bit host of coarse
15:20.59Assidlooks a bit more complicated to start / run  tho
15:21.07jelly-homedutchfish: oh, you can.
15:21.32dutchfishjelly-home, ok, explain me how to do that with XEN
15:21.37jelly-homedutchfish: at least with vmware and vbox you can.
15:21.40boodieOh fantastic ... I have etch on 64 bit ... no lenny for me then?
15:21.52Assidyeah. true.. one of the reasons why i chose 64 lenny
15:21.52dutchfish!coffee jelly-home
15:21.52dpkgdecants a fine brew of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for jelly-home, courtesy of dutchfish
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15:22.41jelly-homedutchfish: are you expecting me to be aware of the context!
15:22.41dutchfishAssid, most of my sytems are 64 bit already
15:22.44Assiddutchfish: how do you load windows  desktop on xen ?
15:23.00dutchfishjelly-home, ;)
15:23.09martian67http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-zunes-failing-everywhere-all-at-once
15:23.10Assiddutchfish: thats my plan for future servers.. 64bit.. we really need to start looking at it more.. same for ipv6
15:23.40dutchfishAssid, read what dpkg said about hvm
15:23.45jelly-homemartian67: bad batch of byte btorage?
15:24.11Assidhrmm
15:24.31dutchfishAssid, atm i run 64bit all the way under xen Debian and others
15:24.45Assidnice
15:24.47boodieI have an AMD64, with etch: I must say that having installed it, I had nothing but nuisance, starting from adobe flash
15:24.58nanonymedutchfish: How new kernels do you use with Xen, btw?
15:25.00heath|workif order to use dns info in the interfaces file, I must prefix all the entries with dns-, correct?
15:25.21Assidi would like to see how tou get them setup sometime.. perhaps learn by example
15:25.23heath|workor should I just manually edit the resolv.conf file
15:25.39dutchfishnanonyme, still old ones for the dom-0 2.618-x, for the dom-Us up to 2.6.28
15:25.48nanonymeNice.
15:26.01dutchfishs/2.618-x/2.6.18-x
15:26.19nanonymeI've been hoping to do virtualization for 2.6.28 but I haven't seen anything that would prove that it would actually work on that.
15:26.40nanonymeOh, and also Xen requires CPU level virtualization, doesn't it?
15:26.43dutchfishnanonyme, you can do that now (like i do) with kvm
15:26.57nanonymeI can't, KVM at least does. My CPU is too old.
15:27.02Assidnanonyme: if its supported.. then yes..
15:27.10dutchfishyep
15:27.22Assidwill look into hackintosh (offtopic) once he gets a chance to
15:27.38Assidusing kvm
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15:27.47Assiddutchfish: i guess its a matter of comfort too
15:28.18dutchfishAssid, mm... as i said for desktop use i prefer KVM of its ease, for servers XEN atm
15:28.24enoufjelly-home: maybe their firmwarez were all timesynced to a faulty stratum-3 in the beginning, and they all started leap frogging at the wrong time :-P (Zune)
15:28.45Assidrofl
15:28.56nanonymeI was thinking of running Debian Testing as the host OS and Debian stable as a server OS inside some kind of virtualization.
15:29.00Assidand those who didnt connect it to the net .. would be safe
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15:29.08dutchfishenouf, might well be
15:29.11nanonymeHaven't yet figured out how to do it though.
15:29.25Assidback to leap second.. time servers.. and bad clocks?
15:29.42Assidnanonyme: xen, kvm... even openvz would do for what you want
15:29.47enoufyerp :-p
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15:30.11dutchfishnanonyme, just aptitude install kvm on a test station and read some docs qemu and how to prep a cow
15:30.17nanonymeAssid: Well, yeah. That's my problem. There's a huge amount of alternatives and no one has specifically said that it would work on that specific one.
15:30.25enoufxen would be best likely for you nanonyme but you need a newer kernel that has dom0 support for testing
15:30.43Assidnanonyme: the simplest without any virtualization.. would be openvz.. most native performance since its only a jailed chroot
15:30.44heath|workAll is correct now... Thanks for the help jelly-home
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15:30.50heath|work:-)
15:30.53nanonymeenouf: My server doesn't have virtualization support. Is that a problem?
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15:30.56enoufmaybe openvz as well nanonyme - but kvm without VT will drop you into basically qemu mode
15:31.14enoufhardware VT that is
15:31.30nanonymeAh.
15:31.36Assidyikes.. 9.00 pm.. i should be getting ready
15:31.38dutchfishabandoned openvz totally ....
15:31.40Assidto get out
15:32.07enoufnanonyme: "egrep 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo" as /msg dpkg kvm denotes
15:32.28dutchfishanother one might be qemu/kqemu (on older hardware for testing) its not so bad at all
15:32.29Assiddutchfish: i just started on it
15:32.35nanonymeenouf: Nothing as I said.
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15:32.42enoufnanonyme: righto - ok
15:32.48Assidofcourse.. you could also see virtualbox, vmware
15:33.10Assidi.e. for desktop systems.. and they dont really do smp.. so pretty decent for older hardware
15:33.31Assidatleast vbox doesnt do smp
15:33.33enoufnanonyme: why not do as dutchfish, and run Etch as dom0 and whatever you want in the domUs
15:33.34jelly-homevmware server does smp
15:33.36jelly-homeafair
15:33.52Assidyeah.. just restated that.. vbox doesnt ..
15:33.56Assidvmware does
15:33.59dutchfishi like the opensouce way so i can fix things, and read up the sources if in doubt
15:34.14enouf!dutchfish++
15:34.20nanonymeenouf: Mostly because I have no idea of how it works.
15:34.27enoufnanonyme: start reading ;-)
15:34.42jelly-homewouldn't understand virtualbox or xen sources anyway
15:35.07enoufhands jelly-home a cookie and a jellyroll ;-)
15:35.11dutchfishnanonyme, hold on i hand you a link
15:35.36jelly-homeenouf: never gonna give you up!
15:35.46dutchfishnanonyme, http://damad.be/joost/blog/2007/04/debian-in-kvm-mini-howto.html
15:35.54enoufRick! you redheaded ____! :-P
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15:36.23nanonymeHmm, right. So it requires a specific version of kernel sources. Would those be a problem if I also wanted to run desktop in the host system? (Not running any network services on that one and iptable'd up)
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15:36.40dutchfishnanonyme, nope, in lenny
15:36.45nanonymeOk.
15:36.59dutchfishnanonyme, you dont need a special kernel in lenny for kvm
15:37.16nanonymeBookmarked, getting to it when I obtain an empty CD for making an install CD.
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15:37.37dutchfishnanonyme, thats why i like it so much on the desktop
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15:38.31nanonyme(I don't even have Debian installed atm, I'm planning to replace my current host OS with it since I'm frustrated with having to personally maintain my dependency trees like I ended up doing in several OS's)
15:38.42dutchfishnanonyme, if you ever used qemu in the past, you will be up and running in 10 minutes
15:39.13dutchfish!debianlove
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15:39.13dpkgrumour has it, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org.
15:39.44enoufdutchfish: Assid nanonyme another option? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/lguest/lguest.txt kvm related
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15:41.16tjtag2.6.28 + ext4 + grub2 "Its nice"
15:41.29dutchfish-ext4
15:41.46tjtagThis is on X64
15:41.51dutchfishyes
15:41.51tjtagyes ext4
15:42.02nanonymeext4 is fun. At least if you're never planning to go back to an earlier kernel version than 2.6.28.
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15:42.40dutchfishnanonyme, not when you play with latest kernels and virtualisation ;)
15:42.50nanonymeHmm?
15:42.52tjtagIts backwars compatible wit ext3
15:43.03nanonymetjtag: It's not if you use extents though. :)
15:43.08dutchfishyes yes i aware, tested it all myself
15:43.42dutchfishi admit ext4 has some nice extras, but do i need that to trade for the risks involved at my setups? no
15:43.44nanonymeI'm fully using extents for all my partitions which means I mostly cannot use anything lower than ext4 anymore.
15:43.54tjtagIts not ext4dev anymore with 2.6.28
15:44.00dutchfishi know
15:44.18dutchfishwhen it will play nice with virtio i will take fro there
15:44.26dutchfishs/fro/from
15:44.38tjtagYes, Im testing, still have a ext3 on another partition, we will see
15:44.38nanonymedutchfish: Heh, nice extras like faster checkdisks, faster big file handling, online defragmentation and so on? :)
15:44.47dutchfishi know
15:45.02dutchfishand speadier too (a bit)
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15:45.26nanonymeAfaik the design should mostly make it faster with huge files.
15:45.30tjtagForm my understanding, its about 17 times faster ?
15:45.34tjtagthan ext3
15:45.45dutchfishbut i like the debian aproach, being a bit more conservative on FS's
15:45.58enoufcompared to noatime/relatime mount options?
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15:46.34dutchfishenouf, yes
15:46.45enoufdutchfish: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=28fd6d7f953711fbf67496701be05513052d967d
15:46.56lunartearCould someone point me to a resource that explains how to install a package on a machine with the same flags/config that were used on another machine?
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15:47.13dutchfishenouf, yes, tested that too, still not good
15:47.20enoufdutchfish: aye
15:47.36dutchfishenouf, i meant within the context for production use
15:47.58enoufdutchfish: sure, i understand - i'm mostly talking about toying/fiddling/dekstop crap ;-)
15:48.00keith4how can I tell (remotely) if a box has 2 CPUs or 1 HT CPU?
15:48.17tjtagAnyway, Im having fun
15:48.20enoufkeith4: actually - grep for the ht flag, iirc
15:48.37enoufkeith4: grep ht /proc/cpuinfo
15:48.56dutchfishtjtag, yes, 2.6.28 has nice toys to play with
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15:49.17dutchfishenouf, yep
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15:50.40tjtagDebian is very nice !! I will have to test compiling DD-WRT on the ext4 partitions. see if it makes much differenc
15:50.48martian67lol
15:50.56dutchfishenouf, anyway, you need to hurry if you want to install it this year ;)
15:51.13enoufdutchfish: haha - but i have an extra Second! :-)
15:51.22dutchfishenouf, you bet!
15:51.37enoufdutchfish: maybe more - depending on my timesource :-P
15:51.54nanonymedutchfish: I like the Debian approach, being convervative period.
15:52.15dutchfishnods
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15:53.23abrotmanapt: wb
15:53.24aptIt's great to be back!
15:53.33NthDegreedutchfish, that too
15:53.34abrotmanor not so much
15:53.51dutchfish!coffe abrotman
15:54.01SerajewelKSabrotman: damn man, do you sleep?
15:54.09abrotmanyes lots!
15:54.14SerajewelKSwhen!?
15:54.46asgSerajewelKS: between midnight and 8am most days
15:55.09nanonymeIf he's doing Uberman's sleep schedule, you wouldn't really notice when he's asleep.
15:55.17abrotmansee ...
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15:55.27nanonymeSince sleeping mostly means he's at most 30 minutes away from computer. :)
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15:55.47SerajewelKSasg: doesn't seem like it to me :)
15:56.12SerajewelKSabrotman: are you... are you... the batman?
15:56.18abrotmaneh no
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15:57.06SerajewelKSthat's a shame
15:57.08asgSerajewelKS: he is the thief in the night, he warps time ... he's Darkmeat Duck
15:58.10yitz_How do I "install" a new font? I installed ttf-lucide but the font isn't appearing in my font-selector
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15:58.22enoufSerajewelKS: dang, i've been looking a little into your Uninterruptible Sleep issue and .. well, it's easiest to say; go and compile your own .27 or .28 ;-) i cannot find any specifics yet (i haven't looked that hard yet) about your JMicron Controllers nor the Marvell Yukon Sky2, but i know issues with both those exist! Now, run vmstat -1 or whatever, and watch stuff - install iotop (and iostat?) - look at top/htop - and tell me which HDD B
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15:59.19SerajewelKSenouf: i'm running on .28 now, trying to coerce the nvidia module to compile
15:59.27abrotman!pal SerajewelKS
15:59.27dpkgpoints at SerajewelKS and laughs uproariously
15:59.38enoufSerajewelKS: i found someone who's been testing RAID on HBAs and they said their Seagate Drives needed new firmware to achieve up to 1GB/sec throughput when each drive can do ~100MB/sec itself:-(
15:59.46abrotmanSerajewelKS: are you sure they even support .28 yet?
15:59.49enoufSerajewelKS: haha ..
16:00.16SerajewelKSabrotman: they do, but the version in lenny does not support it
16:00.20abrotmanduh
16:00.40enoufSerajewelKS: before the firmware upgrade, they only got ~300-400MB/sec - we're talking raid 5/6 in 10 Drive clusters (or somesuch)
16:00.41SerajewelKScould try the one in experimental.  according to their forums, people have had luck with 180.11 (experimental has 177.82)
16:00.54nanonymeSerajewelKS: nVidia beta works fine with .28.
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16:01.09nanonymeUse that, the rest require hacks.
16:01.09SerajewelKSnanonyme: the one in experimental?
16:01.11nanonymeNo.
16:01.23SerajewelKSmeh
16:01.28nanonyme180.foo.
16:01.30SerajewelKSi'm not too fond of the nvidia installer
16:01.56nanonymeYou can always make it extract the sources.
16:02.14nanonymeThen package it yourself.
16:02.24SerajewelKSthat's probably what i'm going to wind up doing, wrestle those into the tarball provided by nvidia-kernel-source
16:03.04enoufSerajewelKS: oh , just leave the nvidia blob out of the picture for now
16:03.11enoufjust test the real issue
16:03.30nanonymeYeah, nv driver probably works anyway.
16:03.33Assidokay guys.. enjoy: http://en.sevenload.com/videos/RpBZD9o-Ren-And-Stimpy-Happy-Happy-Joy-Joy
16:03.40SerajewelKSenouf: heh, well i like to, you know, use my box when it's up :)
16:03.51enoufSerajewelKS: also, run a diff on the configs between your working .24 and the .25/.26 you used
16:03.58abrotmanAssid: there is a #debian-offtopic ...
16:03.59asgAssid: cowsay -f stimpy 'Nummies!'
16:04.02nanonymeSerajewelKS: Do you need 3D acceleration right now?
16:04.05SerajewelKSenouf: hmm didn't think of that for some reason
16:04.36SerajewelKSnanonyme: no but playing games is the most certain way to ensure i stay at my box to observe its behavior :P
16:04.37enoufSerajewelKS: then - hit the changelogs between .24 and .25
16:04.44nanonymeHeh.
16:04.54SerajewelKSenouf: yeah i looked at those.  ton of shit i don't understand.
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16:05.04enoufgrah
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16:06.13SerajewelKSenouf: there's some shit about sky2 and jmicron in there but i don't know what's relevant
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16:09.06nanonymeSerajewelKS: Noticed that AMD just gave out 3D sample code for their new chips and is soon about to give enough documentation for developers to write working open 3D acceleration for the newest chips?
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16:10.01SerajewelKSnanonyme: sweet
16:10.04nanonymeMight be getting closer to the time when it actually makes more sense to buy an ATI card than an nVidia one.
16:11.03SerajewelKShey whoever comes up with a stable and open linux driver and a decently powerful card (enough to warrant replacing an 8800gt dual-slot cooler) i'll jump on that bandwagon
16:11.39SerajewelKShuh
16:11.48SerajewelKSnvidia.com has no beta driver 180.x listed for linux
16:11.59nanonymeSure they do.
16:12.02nanonymeCheck their ftp.
16:13.51nanonymeSerajewelKS: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/
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16:15.45SerajewelKSheh
16:15.51SerajewelKStook me forever to find that directory
16:15.56SerajewelKSthey need to organize their shit...
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16:20.35dandcI'm trying to follow NvidiaGraphicsDrivers on the wiki, but there's a problem installing nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source, any ideas?
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16:23.08flokuehndandc: not if you dont tell us the problem or paste it to !nopaste
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16:24.12SerajewelKS!any ideas
16:24.12dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and a handful of three-legged oxen.  And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
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16:24.53dandchaha, fair point
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16:26.10dandclooks like I set my version variable wrong
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16:26.27dandcI tried to set VERSION="-legacy-96xx", but echo $VERSION gives me a blank
16:27.08dandcand now that that's fixed, I get "what is nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source?"
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16:27.51SerajewelKSdandc: do you have nonfree sources?
16:28.04SerajewelKSdandc: and are you using lenny or sid?
16:28.32dandclenny, yes
16:28.34dandcand isn't it non-free?
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16:29.12SerajewelKSfor conversational purposes either will do
16:29.30SerajewelKSdandc: does 'apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source' tell you anything?
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16:30.52dandcit says unable to locate package
16:31.05SerajewelKS!nonfree
16:31.05dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>.  To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>.  To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>.  For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
16:31.20SerajewelKS!tell dandc about non-free sources
16:31.23dandcodd, I could have sworn I added them already
16:31.25dandcthanks =)
16:31.31SerajewelKSnp
16:31.37SerajewelKSwhen in doubt, check packages.debian.org
16:31.41dandcyeah, I already did that
16:31.58dandc(the non-free adding to sources)
16:32.07dandcbut I must flee for now, thanks for the help!
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16:32.19fantomasHappy New Year!
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16:32.50SerajewelKScan i override the version of a package produced by m-a?  it's producing packages containing the 180.18 nvidia driver but the version is listed as the old 177.xx one
16:34.51lunartearcan someone point me to an updated exim4 + antispam + antivirus kind of guide?
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16:35.38lunartearthe one I was looking at appears to be several years old
16:37.44schme_lunartear: I would suggest the exim4 documentation.
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16:42.25scgtrp"APT will not install packages from experimental unless specifically requested." -- does that apply to dist-upgrade too?
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16:43.24schme_scgtrp: Yes.
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16:45.18burdgot kind of a weird one.. hope someone can help.. would like to do a logrotate on some logs.. but not to save disk from becomming full, just to make searching logs easier.. can logrotate be set up to NOT delete old logs somehow?
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16:46.57hardbop200burd: I've been working with the same issue, someone suggested using 'rotate 9999' as a way to do this; none of my logs have disappeared so far, but not enough time has passed to tell.
16:47.00SerajewelKSburd: i'd think just removing the 'rotate n' directive would work
16:47.30SerajewelKSthe manpage doesn't seem to indicate that it's required
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16:47.45burdk thank you i'll check into that idea
16:48.10hardbop200SerajewelKS: yes, that seems much more sensible. I will try that.
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16:48.26SerajewelKSwoo two people at once
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16:49.19burdtidying up my detaisl
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16:50.38burdgahh cant remember my nickserv password been a few months
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16:51.35burdwoot!
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16:54.18pobegaDoes anyone know of any tutorials with good tips on making a kernel more lean/fast?
16:54.26pobegaI'm trying to maximize speed for an EeePC kernel
16:54.36abrotman!eeepc
16:54.36dpkgThe Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus.  Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian.  To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details.  See also <atl2> and <atl1e>.  #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net.
16:54.50pobegaokay
16:54.54pobegaand that is why I ask on #debian
16:54.58pobegaBecause I use Debian...
16:55.04pipelinepobega: It's a two step process
16:55.21pipelinepobega: the first step is to use a standard kernel you got from your vendor... it's probably fully modular, so about as small as you go
16:55.34pipelinepobega: the second step is to use a uclibc kernel, for embedded devices.  That's insanity.  Don't bother.
16:55.42pipelinepobega: so, in short: fucking with the kernel is not going to get you anywhere.
16:55.44SerajewelKSi'd love to see someone write a util that uses hwinfo to determine at least the driver options in .config
16:55.59pipelineyeah because there are just SO MANY drivers compiled in statically as it stands :P
16:56.16SerajewelKSheh for me just to reduce build time
16:56.20pobegapipeline: The Debian kernel are a bit bloated, you don't think so?
16:56.24pobegakernels, rather
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16:56.50corrmost stuff is modules, so not really
16:56.50pipelinemodules actually work now.  Life is good.
16:56.50pipelineI haven't had to build a kernel by hand for a PC in a very, very long time.  That makes me a happy man.
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16:57.24abrotmanstep or choice?
16:57.29maligorwhy do you all seem to think building kernels is inheritly evil :P
16:57.44pipelinepobega: No.
16:57.46jamoni went to bed 12 hours ago, #debian was all make-kpkg, make oldconfig etc., i come back and it's more of the same :)
16:57.50pipelinemaligor: because it's time consuming and largely purposeless.
16:57.57maligorI haven't a clue what would consist of a optimal eeepc configuration tho
16:57.57SerajewelKSjamon: heh, i got 2.6.28 working though
16:58.03jamonSerajewelKS: woot!
16:58.08SerajewelKSand fuse didn't shit all over the place
16:58.12maligorpipeline, so is life
16:58.15jamonthat must be satisfying
16:58.18pobegaWell, I'm running 2.6.25 so I need to compile a new kernel anyway (2.6.28, abou time to upgrade)
16:58.18Hazelesque.
16:58.19tjtagMe too, very nice with ext4 + grub2
16:58.21jamonmaligor: ouch.
16:58.22pipelinepobega: that was true at one time; it used to be that most operating systems shipped with a GENERIC kernel that you would then relink with just the drivers you needed.
16:58.40pipelinepobega: but modern linux kernels are almost entirely modular, so very, very little optional material is built into the kernel.  It all gets loaded after boot.
16:58.47SerajewelKSjamon: yup, now i'm trying to wrestle the nvidia beta 180.18 drivers into the nvidia-graphics-drivers source package
16:59.07jamonwas it a chipset issue?
16:59.10ReKlipzhey all, I have a question, kind of offtopic.  In order to get my bluetooth working on my laptop, I have to install windblows, do some driver/firmware trickery, and then reinstall debian.  This is a PITA because I have debian setup all nice and fancy how I want it.  Is there a simple way to make an image of the install(/hdd) and then restore it in debian/linux?
16:59.11pipelinepobega: that's just crazy; why would you upgrade to an unstable kernel ? Those get almost no testing.
16:59.12jamonreads the backlog
16:59.20pobegapipeline: So really the only way to make a kernel faster is to build ONLY WHAT YOU NEED in, to avoid modules; Or am I wrong in thinking that would speed things up?
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16:59.22SerajewelKSjamon: no clue TBH.  the fuse issue was probably not.
16:59.26tjtagSerajewelKS: worked for me
16:59.29pobegapipeline: It's stable, according to kernel.org
16:59.38pobegaAnd I'd like to get away from madwifi and use ath5k
16:59.46SerajewelKSjamon: but the box hasn't been up long enough to determine if processes will still go to uninterruptible sleep permanently
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17:00.02pipelinepobega: the kernel that you already have is already built that way
17:00.04maligorpobega, modules don't really make things go slower
17:00.07jamonpobega: only needed modules get loaded
17:00.12SerajewelKSjamon: up 3:27, when we get to 48:00 i'll be convinced :)
17:00.29SerajewelKStjtag: what did?
17:00.33pipelinepobega: the linux kernel is MODULAR.  Very, very little is built in.
17:00.33pipelinepobega: almost all options are loaded at boot time, and only the things you need ever get loaded.
17:00.33pipelinepobega: you can save on COMPILE time by not selecting the modules you don't need, but your kernel is already compiled :P
17:00.35pobegamaligor: jamon: yeah, I know this, but from what I understand it saves time building things into the kernel.
17:00.47pipelinepobega: ideally you should compile nothing into the kernel and use modules all the time :)
17:00.47pobegaAh, hm.
17:00.55tjtag<PROTECTED>
17:01.02pobegaThings have changed since I last remembered, heh
17:01.03maligorpobega, well, it saves not having to load initrd
17:01.07SerajewelKStjtag: did you use the nvidia installer or build packages?
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17:01.28tjtag180.18
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17:01.40SerajewelKSfacepalm
17:01.41tjtaginstaller
17:01.44_bozopipeline, compile kernel with selecting only needed module, do not reduce boot time ?
17:01.46pipelinemaligor, pobega : Yeah loading that two megabyte initrd off of the disk is really what makes your boot time suck.  *rolleyes*
17:01.50SerajewelKStjtag: yeah, i don't really want to do that
17:01.55tjtagk
17:02.27maligorpobega, if you really want to build it, look into kernel-package
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17:02.34tjtagSerajewelKS:  want to use the kernel diriver ?
17:02.35maligorit rolls them into handy .deb's
17:02.35pipeline_bozo: nope
17:02.37pobegamaligor: I have that already
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17:02.46SerajewelKStjtag: already built that package
17:02.51pobegaI need to compile it ANYWAY for patches, so I figured I may as well come here and ask questions.
17:02.51SerajewelKSworking on the userspace nonsense now
17:03.07_bozopipeline, what bootchar show  very load on the modprobe ?
17:03.12maligorpipeline, if it's read in PIO mode, it'd amount to fractions of a second
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17:04.25_bozopipeline, recompile kernel give nothing so (or little :P) but recompile kernel with all (option) in one save time
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17:04.32hifihow do I check if value is an empty hashref
17:05.23hifioh, wrong channel, sorry
17:05.44_bozopobega, now, only the first make need much time
17:06.10maligorpobega, also avoid features that default to N, have experimental tag on them and you don't know what they do ;)
17:06.13_bozopobega, but if you need space, you need to make mrproper to save disk space
17:06.47maligoralso don't expect help on #debian if you break it, heh
17:06.54pobegaYeah, I figured.
17:07.32maligorthere really isn't any magical turbo speed options in the kernel tho
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17:08.08pobegaYeah, I figured as much. I'm not expecting anything out of this world, perhaps just a bit of a boost in boot time (5 seconds or so) would be nice.
17:08.15abrotmanthat's why i have a turbo button on my keyboard!
17:08.33maligor5 seconds is quite a lot :P
17:08.44maligorthere are experimental patches that might cut that tho
17:09.12tjtagWho has grub2 experiance, I need to add a new kernel option, don't know where ?
17:09.17maligoralso optimizing the bootscripts might help also
17:09.21maligoror switching to another init
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17:09.39_bozotjtag, /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
17:09.41pobegaI already have a minimal init, with almost no daemons
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17:09.59tjtagbozo: I will look
17:10.01_bozopobega, what is your boot time ?
17:10.13maligortjtag, mm.. what debian?
17:10.16pobega_bozo: Probably somewhere in the ballpark of 35 seconds.
17:10.20tjtagyep
17:10.31maligortjtag, if you use update-grub, you should edit /etc/grub.d instead
17:10.48maligorgrub.cfg is overwritten by update-grub from there
17:11.00maligordunno when it was added tho
17:11.31tjtagmaligor: will have to figure it out, alot different
17:12.07maligorkernel option...
17:12.12Tenkawamaligor: hey hey
17:12.13maligorI think you add those in /etc/default/grub
17:12.30maligorsomething like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=blabla
17:12.30SerajewelKShow can i force sendmail to deliver messages to their destination by the usual mx lookup instead of deliver them locally?
17:12.41SerajewelKSmy mail is not hosted on this server but the server thinks it is
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17:12.50maligorTenkawa, hey
17:13.01Tenkawamaligor: whats new?
17:13.13tjtagYep needs rootfstype=ext4
17:13.31maligorheh, feeling a tad experimental
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17:13.59harmattanCould someone explain to me why Debian devs have to change almost every package from its upstream form?. I mean, Debian is GREAT, but I find it quite annoying sometimes...
17:14.12maligorTenkawa, perhaps the wrong channel for that ;)
17:14.19Tenkawamaligor: haahaa
17:14.21maligorserious people here
17:15.08maligorharmattan, to fix bugs and add debian package scripts?
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17:15.27tjtagBetter do it tomorrow, we are already starting to party here, don't want to mess anything up :)
17:15.31jamonharmattan: because a library should have lib in it's name, because a webserver called apache should be called apache, not httpd
17:16.07harmattanmaligor, I don't see that as a reason for the ssh issue or changeing nano as an editor for visudo...
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17:17.15hardbop200I'm using nullmailer to send basic smtp messages, but sometimes the mails get hung up and don't come thru; barring issues with the mailserver, is nullmailer the best way to go for this, or is something else used? exim4 seems a little complicated for smtp messages...
17:17.57harmattanjamon, my most humble opinion here. I understand maybe I haven't read some statement in Debian's web explaining that kind of things.
17:18.34stonedgood morning
17:18.38jamonharmattan: i haven't either, but i think you'll find that the fs layout, locations, naming system is quite sane
17:18.40stonedwhats going on inthe world of #debian
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17:20.39stoned!ping
17:20.40dpkgpong
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17:21.29tjtagstoned: where are you - good morning ?
17:21.57stonedNyew York City
17:21.58stonedNew*
17:22.00stonedQueens
17:22.13stonedhttp://www.frostedweb.com/our-portfolio.html <-- thats why my first contract was
17:22.16tjtaghahah, its 12:22 there
17:22.18stonedQueens Community House
17:22.19stoned:)
17:22.26stonedtjtag, are you also in new york?
17:22.34tjtag7pm here
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17:22.40stonedyou are in europe
17:22.42tjtagUkraine, Odessa
17:22.43stonedfantastic
17:22.46stonedahh
17:22.56stonedmy home is 10 hours or 11 hours off
17:22.57tjtagfrom Maryland
17:23.05stonedPakistan is 11 hours ahead
17:23.18stonedor 10 I can't remember which
17:23.25stonedI used to live in Central Time Zone
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17:23.51yuijinhappy new years
17:23.52cahootcentral relative to what?
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17:24.33stonedusa
17:24.38stonedwait
17:24.42stonedoh
17:24.44stonedthis is #debian?
17:24.47stonedoh dude
17:24.57stonedman, fuck man, I thought this was #phpc
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17:25.12stonedthats why I'm telling that guy about my new company and my first project n shit
17:25.15stonedoh boy.
17:25.15tjtagYour funny
17:25.30stonedI just woke up man, and made my first boo boo of the day :(
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17:25.57tjtagYou talk like when I was 16
17:26.03stephanehello
17:26.07stonedyeh I get that all the time, but I'm 28
17:26.08stoned:/
17:26.13tjtagIm 48
17:26.16stonedI'm just youngin at heart :)
17:26.20tjtagme too
17:26.25stephanedoes anyone know how to correct write limits.conf ?
17:26.25stonedstephane, hi
17:26.39stephanestoned : hi !
17:26.40stonedstephane, what do you have in it currently?
17:27.41stonedstephane, you can pastebin the file
17:27.50stephanecurrently, I have only this :
17:27.51stoned!tell stephane -about paster
17:27.58stephaneyes
17:28.05stonedstephane, you are looking for a guide?
17:28.07stephanewhere can I paste ?
17:28.24stephaneyes, I am looking for a little help
17:28.27chfwiggumpastebin.ca
17:28.46stonedstephane, look at the dpkg told in private message
17:29.15stephanethanks
17:29.22stephaneI will paste
17:29.31stonedand I will look
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17:29.42stonedfor now my stomach is hungry I am going to put in food
17:29.45stonedbe back
17:30.09stephanehttp://paste.debian.net/24869/
17:30.37stephaneThe only thing I did is write the lines with www-data
17:30.42stonedstephane, have you read man limits.conf ? what are you trying to do
17:30.47stonedstephane, define your goal
17:31.34stephaneI aim at limit www-data in cpu and memory usage
17:31.57stephaneOf course I read man limits.conf
17:32.13stonedfor me, you'd have to wait about half an hour, I must levae but I will be back
17:32.17stoned*out*
17:32.19stephanebut it is not so easy to read
17:32.34stephaneok
17:32.46stonedyeh work called
17:32.49stephanethanks stoned
17:33.02stonednp i'll log in from work when i get a chacne see if anyone has helped you yet
17:33.27pabloliboWhere download lenny?
17:33.47abrotmandebian.org/devel/debian-installer
17:33.48pabloliboanybody know?
17:33.48stoned!d-i pablolibo
17:33.49dpkgpablolibo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's.
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17:36.43stephaneso, out of stoned
17:37.30stephanenobody knows the correct way to limit a user in cpu and memory usage ?
17:38.36stewstephane: man limits.conf
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17:39.48stephanestew : I read the man
17:40.01stephanebut it not so easy !
17:40.19stephanefor example, limit the cpu is in time
17:40.42stephanewhereas I would like to limit in power, in percentage !
17:41.29pktanyone here using synergy?
17:41.48cahootmostly anergy here
17:41.59pktheh :-)
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17:42.20pktIt seems to not be getting clipboard events :(
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17:42.46pktI can copy on winxp and paste on linux but not vice versa
17:44.21stephanestew : nothing to say ?
17:44.38stewstephane: nope, sorry
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17:45.22stephanehum, do you if I must add swap+ram in my limit in memory ?
17:45.53stephaneeg : I would like to limit at 50% the usage of memory
17:46.57stephanedoes the OS will understand ram or swap+ram ?
17:47.55stephanethis is not precised in man, that's why I wanted to speak to a human ... !
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17:50.28st3psHi ! just install debian testing , how should I give permission for sudo for the user st3ps , the id for the user right now is st3ps@deb:~$ id
17:50.29st3psuid=1000(st3ps) gid=1000(st3ps) ομάδες=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),111(netdev),116(powerdev),1000(st3ps)
17:50.58cahootman sudoers + man visudo
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17:53.52st3ps@cahoot thanks, I hoped that someone should write me the exactly commands , becouse I cant understund English so good...:(
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17:57.27geHey People! Are there any other SSH clients available then the standard "ssh" commands? I need one that allows to specefiy the password on the command line.
17:57.52petemcge: cant you use keys ?
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17:58.53gepetemc: is that a "simulate keystrokes" app?
17:59.10petemcge: no, ssh keys, to login without having to type a password
17:59.29gepetemc: no, i cant.
17:59.43petemcunlucky
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18:04.30Worftries to understand why one would want to specify passwords on the commandline
18:05.37geWorf: whats the advantage of keys?
18:06.20Worfit's secure - if you keep your key safe
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18:06.36Worfits convenient
18:07.06Worfyou can do key forwarding
18:07.22Worfyou can allow more than one key for one login
18:07.36geWorf: how does "keep your key safe" differ from "keep your password" safe?
18:07.39petemcyou can specify what commands the key is allowed to use
18:08.00Worfthat differs in a number of ways
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18:08.32petemcge: this is where you go off and read about ssh keys, and why specifying a password on the commandline is a stupid idea
18:08.53trochala<PROTECTED>
18:09.06Worfyou protect your key with a password, and you only have to type it once - if you want. passwords you would type lots of times, and if written on the commandline end up in lots of places in plaintext shell history files
18:09.35Worfi have to agree with petemc
18:09.43stephaneworf : without ssh, your commands goes in clear text
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18:09.57stephaneso anybody can read want you do
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18:10.11stephaneand your passwords
18:10.13geWorf: the connect is in a shellscript. i dont type the password by hand.
18:10.41Worfge: that again is what ssh keys are for
18:11.49Vi^3PPi want to use bastille for my box but it says that this os is not a valid os ie... has DB2.2 DB3 DB3.1 and DB4.0 why isnt DB5.0 included if its in lennys repos
18:11.53Worfstephane: it's a different if one can find out what commands i did type when he gains read acces to my zsh history, or if he also reads my passwords in there - or did i understand something wrong?
18:12.46geWorf: there are no passwords in my history
18:13.17Worfthen they are in your shellscripts ... according to your plans :)
18:13.24Vi^3PPi made my bash_history non writeable
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18:13.40geoh, and it seems key auth needs to reconfigure the remote server. i cannot do that.
18:13.50petemcno
18:14.08petemcyou just need to copy your key over
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18:14.14Worfit was just a example - there are lot's of other arguments for ssh keys and against specifying a password as parameter for ssh
18:14.32petemcVi^3PP: shell history is extremely useful
18:15.11geWorf: "lots of other arguments" is not a good argument :-)
18:15.25Vi^3PPits history is only useful during the session used once the konsole is closed or exited it erases
18:15.38Worfi don't want to copy and paste the docu here :)
18:15.50abrotmanVi^3PP: that's short-sighted and well .. wrong
18:16.14cahootok - time to leave irc for a new year - thanks to all ops for a brilliant work 2008 - and for all I can recommend Nat King Coles version of Autumn Leaves in any phase of life whatsoever ;)
18:16.45tjtagI like Nat's music !
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18:18.25geWorf: if you need copy&paste to bring up your arguments, then that doesnt sound like you know what you are believing in.
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18:19.14petemcge: the benefits of ssh keys are obvious to anyone who actually knows what they do, which you dont
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18:19.38Worfge: i mentioned about 5-6 arguments, and pointed to the docu. if you think so about me i can live with that.
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18:20.25trochalaCan I use an expression like "git*" as a package description in apt/preferences file?
18:20.46Vi^3PPi want to use bastille for my box but it says that this os is not a valid os ie... has DB2.2 DB3 DB3.1 and DB4.0 why isnt DB5.0 included if its in lennys repos
18:21.16geso for testing purposes - where do i put that public key?
18:21.43petemc~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 , this is all well documented
18:21.44aptpetemc: I think you lost me on that one
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18:21.57abrotmanpetemc: you confused the bot!!!1!!
18:22.01petemcthere are apps to copy the key over for you as well.
18:22.10Worfhttp://www.sshkeychain.org/mirrors/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.4
18:23.20root_____what are some power saving ideas for tosheba satalite ?
18:23.20petemchad forgotten about apt..
18:23.33root_____console mode    ^
18:23.38abrotmantoshutils ?
18:23.43Worfwhat - the home dir char triggers apt? :)
18:23.47abrotmanlesswatts.org ?
18:23.51stephanestoned : you are not here ?
18:25.04abrotmanhe said that awhile ago
18:25.31root_____abrotman installing toshutils now
18:25.34Worfanyway - time to go off and celebrate the new year. and thank all the good people around here and elsewhere and to look forward for what 2009 brings
18:27.48pelegThere's a specific ftp account that I can't access with LFTP. this is weird, since I *could* do it a few days ago -- but in the last few days I can't. Using other ftp programs I can do it as well, quite easily. What can be wrong?
18:28.17newsenseroot_____, if its a newer laptop that only supports acpi toshutils wont work
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18:30.27root_____newsense yeah it seems to be the case.   fan: laptop does not have cooling fan or kernel module not installed.
18:30.45root_____newsense thoughts  ?
18:31.05newsensedoes your bios support apm ?
18:31.22root_____i'll have to reboot it to look
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18:31.33root_____but i will, give me a few.
18:31.42newsenseif it does toshutils should work
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18:33.47root_____newsense i'm not seeing anything related to apm   it's a pheonix bios   tosheba satalite A135
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18:35.32newsenseroot_____, looking on google now
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18:37.27newsenseroot_____, from google i see others used acpi=off as a boot arguement and say they have had success using apm
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18:37.50newsenseroot_____, i have to run out for a second look into that
18:38.00root_____wow typo    s=A135=A136=    my bad
18:38.08root_____newsense will do,  and thanks.
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18:39.08newsenselet me know if that works, ill be back in a few minutes so just post outcome in channel
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18:42.04yitz_How do I "install" a new font? I installed ttf-lucide but the font isn't appearing in my font-selector
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18:42.11dandcwhy would I be unable to locate package "nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source" if I have non-free added to my sources and I've apt-get updated?
18:42.31Supaplexyitz_: did you restart the application using the font?
18:42.33lostsondandc: do you have contrib as well ?
18:42.39dandcI do, lostson
18:42.54lostsondandc: then i am not sure
18:43.09mograanyone recall what the interrupt call was to get a progress status from dd? I was sure it was CTRL+D, and Z and C are just right out, that'd be ridiculous
18:43.11abrotmandandc: which version of debian ?
18:43.14dandcit's really weird, and it's really making it hard to install nvidia drivers the debian way
18:43.17dandcbrand new netinstall of lenny
18:43.21abrotmanPPC right ?
18:43.24dandccorrect
18:43.28root_____heh newsense, hard lockup durring boot with acpi=off      says,  loading linux \n BIOS data check successful \n uncompressing linux... ok, booting the kernel  <<<hung solid>>>
18:43.40abrotmanthat package isn't in lenny
18:43.45lostsonyep
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18:44.03dandcso I need to go back to etch again? urk.
18:44.20yitz_Supaplex: Um. No. I figured opening a new gnome-terminal would be OK. Had to close the old. Thanks
18:44.31abrotmanhrm .. wait
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18:44.45lostsonabrotman: are those packages in say unstable or experimental could he get the nvidia that way then pin it ?
18:44.48yitz_Is there a font repo somewhere?
18:44.53abrotmandandc:  nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source
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18:45.52Supaplexyitz_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457218  yeah. fun huh? :)
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18:46.00themillyitz_: there are lots of fonts already in debian, installing additional .ttf files is pretty trivial: /msg dpkg install font
18:46.11dandcthat's the one, abrotman
18:46.30abrotmanit's only amd64/i386
18:46.48dandcaha, time to do the nvidia way, then
18:46.50yitz_Supaplex: Reported. Nice. I guess I could mention its not just konsole
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18:47.15Supaplexyitz_: yeah
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18:47.55themillyitz_: it's fairly common... if you're talking about the bitmap fonts that come with X, then you need to restart your x server before you can use them. That's even more annoying.
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18:48.26yitz_Ugh. No fun
18:48.38dandcinteresting... is it possible that there are no nvidia drivers for ppc?
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18:49.05newsenseroot_____, might want to forget about toshutils and just use acpi which is better anyways-  acpid
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18:49.57paul0hi
18:50.01abrotmandandc: it is possible .. ask #debianppc on oftc
18:50.23newsenseacpi-support has some scripts to be used with acpid i believe
18:50.26paul0someone can help me? My microphone doesn't work, i can't find out why
18:51.10root_____newsense but the tosheba satalite uses ati everything and acpi doesn't see anything really
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18:52.14Kingstonei have a question about debian packaging
18:52.23Kingstoneif i want to create my own source for packages
18:52.30Kingstonewhere do i have to put the Packages file?
18:52.32dandchmm, alsamixer says that snd_ctl_open failed for default (trying to get sound going). Any ideas where to start poking around?
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18:52.54T_A_reeHello guys & girls !
18:53.11Kingstonelike say my source is http://debian.mydomain.com what would be the path for the Packages file that the apt-get searches for?
18:53.22themillKingstone: use a tool like reprepro to do this for you. /msg dpkg own repo
18:54.35T_A_reeMay someone help me about a problem with VirtualBox installation ?
18:56.30T_A_ree(So many people & so few answer(s) !)
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18:57.46atrapadoT_A_ree, take my answer: yes
18:57.53SerajewelKST_A_ree: you'll get a better answer if you ask a real question
18:57.56SerajewelKS!smart questions
18:57.56dpkgGo here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
18:58.06root_____for example /proc/acpi/fan/ is empty   as is power_resource and thermal_zone
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18:58.43simonrvnT_A_ree: meta-questions usually annoy people, so it's usually better to just come out with the real question.
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18:59.31T_A_reeHere it is, thank you. I have tried to install VB OSE for AMD64. But i could'nt find how to run it.
18:59.59T_A_reeSo i decided to try installing VirtualBox 2.1 Sun.
19:00.09simonrvntry VirtualBox & in an xterm ...
19:00.17SerajewelKSsimonrvn: damn you again :(
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19:00.32simonrvnSerajewelKS: :D
19:00.41SerajewelKSand i'm using dvorak too, i should be able to type faster!
19:00.53zeakhi
19:00.57simonrvni'm a lefty on a qwerty ;)
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19:01.04T_A_reeDuring the installation it asked me if i wanted to compile kernel (i think, or smthg like that). I accepted.
19:01.22simonrvnkernel module/driver, yes.
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19:02.03T_A_reeBut aftter the end of installation when i tried to install XP on VB 2.1 it returned an eerror message.
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19:02.40simonrvnyou'd probably be better off to ask in #virtualbox
19:03.02SerajewelKSsimonrvn: #vbox
19:03.09SerajewelKSI WIN
19:03.16simonrvnSerajewelKS: woot
19:03.24root_____howto switch/toggle cpu power state ?
19:03.26SerajewelKS:)
19:03.38T_A_reeThank you, i haven't found any chan VB !
19:04.09fl4meroot_____, what is your cpu ?
19:04.38SerajewelKSdoes anyone know what the differences between the various -pkg0 -pkg1 -pkg2 nvidia binary packages are?
19:04.39root_____product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU        520  @ 1.60GHz
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19:05.44root_____width: 64 bits  < could part of my problem be that i'm using 32bit kernel/software ?
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19:06.29fl4meroot_____, do you have cpufreq insralled ?
19:06.33rawhats the error VB thows ath you?
19:06.38SerajewelKSroot_____: 32-bit will run on 64 fine usually
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19:07.54root_____fl4me   cpufrequtils  ????
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19:08.16root_____fl4me or cpufreqd  ???
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19:08.23fl4meroot_____, sorry cpufreqd
19:08.50fl4meroot_____, for compatibily on 64 bits -> 32 you need lib-ia32
19:09.27root_____fl4me do i "need" cpufreqd if i have cpufrequtils ?
19:09.47SerajewelKSfl4me: i think he is running a 32-bit kernel on a 64-bit box
19:09.50fl4meroot_____, only for the command line
19:10.06SerajewelKSfl4me: so lib-ia32 is not required, and should not even be present in the 32-bit repo
19:10.12root_____SerajewelKS correct.
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19:10.30fl4meSerajewelKS, i understand 64 -> 32
19:10.43root_____fl4me sorry ?
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19:12.49root_____fl4me ok i have cpufreqd cpufrequtils
19:12.56supersoundguywould anyone recommend their current mobo/chipset with regards to compatibility/speed?
19:12.58fl4meroot_____, it's only if you want to control throwing of cpu or inspect in commande line
19:14.16root_____Starting CPU Frequency daemon: cpufreqd failed!
19:14.24root_____from  /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start
19:14.39root_____<PROTECTED>
19:14.46root_____from cpufreq-info
19:15.17root_____so what now ?
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19:15.47simonrvnstart counting
19:15.53fl4meroot_____, check if these modules is present  cpufreq_conservative  cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace
19:16.07fl4meroot_____, lsmod |grep freq :P
19:16.29simonrvnegrep: :P: No such file or directory
19:16.49simonrvn:P
19:17.14root_____fl4me lsmod | grep freq  # returns blank
19:17.40fl4memodprob cpufreq_conservative  cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_userspace
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19:18.39root_____fl4me already did,  no change in anything except the lsmod list
19:19.10root_____cpufreq-info | pastebinit.py
19:19.10root_____http://pastebin.com/f2d4c5a8
19:19.56root_____lsmod out http://pastebin.com/f5186001f
19:20.12abrotmanwhich kernel ?
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19:20.27fl4meroot_____,  find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name \*cpu\*
19:21.08root_____abrotman stock etch
19:21.14root_____2.6.18
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19:21.56root_____fl4me http://pastebin.com/f4c1f8b03
19:22.11abrotmanroot_____: how old is this laptop ?
19:22.21root_____a year or two
19:22.43abrotmanand what are you trying to do?
19:23.03root_____cut the power consumption   scale back the cpu
19:23.21root_____anything to make it run longer on battery
19:23.37fl4mewww.lesswatt.org
19:24.03root_____fl4me been all over that, nothing really applies   that i could find
19:24.09themillcheck what powertop has to say
19:24.13fl4meroot_____, www.lesswatts.org
19:24.26root_____themill nothing is running most of the time.
19:24.34root_____fl4me been all over that, nothing really applies   that i could find
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19:25.12themillroot_____: is the CPU in low power C states? (and P states)
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19:25.20abrotmannothing is running? hardly
19:25.29root_____themill how can i check that ?
19:25.35themillroot_____: powertop.
19:25.56root_____abrotman correct.  only a bash shell most of the time.
19:26.14Agiofwshello
19:26.43abrotmanit's still doing stuff
19:26.52root_____abrotman like what ?
19:27.01simonrvnturn it off, you'll svae a *lot* of power
19:27.09abrotmanjust because you're not doing stuff, doesn't mean the system isn't
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19:27.44root_____abrotman  ps ax | pastebinit.py
19:27.45root_____http://pastebin.com/f7250f384
19:28.14abrotmanthat's not what i meant .. but you can think whatever you want .. have fun
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19:28.19root_____trust me it isn't doing anything.
19:28.23__Feeernando__ola
19:28.36feerhola
19:28.43abrotmantrust me .. it is
19:28.43ShnoodleIs there a way to unzip files that will not use case-sensitivity, so that "My files" will always merge with "My Files"?
19:28.53__Feeernando__sdtfygjkhjlhkj
19:29.15abrotman__Feeernando__: do you need help?
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19:30.05root_____themill are you suggesting that i "build" powertop ?
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19:32.10AzimutÏÐèâåò ìóäàêè
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19:33.17simonrvnAzimut: care to share in a utf-8 locale?
19:33.22dandcis there a way to automate a modprobe? I want my system to load sound drivers at startup, without my intervention
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19:33.34simonrvn/etc/modules
19:33.35Azimuti'm russia
19:33.44root_____any other thoughts on cutting power usage ?
19:33.47SerajewelKS!ru
19:33.47dpkgRussian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
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19:34.39root_____dandc two files /etc/modules and /etc/rc.local    the first accepts module names the second executes commands
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19:35.19simonrvnwhy use /etc/rc.local when /etc/modules is there for that?
19:35.43themillroot_____: no grab powertop from backports.org
19:35.46themilljudd: versions powertop
19:35.47juddthemill: powertop -- etch-backports: 1.9-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.10-2 sid: 1.10-2
19:36.29dandcthanks a lot, root_____!
19:36.29root_____url ?
19:36.41dandcnow to reboot to see if it works :)
19:36.48simonrvnum
19:36.59simonrvnoh well
19:37.06SerajewelKShow does dpkg-buildpackage determine the package version?
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19:37.16SerajewelKSi've updated it everywhere and the old version is still sticking
19:37.44simonrvndebian/changelog
19:37.59SerajewelKSheh
19:38.01SerajewelKSlast place i'd look
19:38.12root_____is there a repos list some place ?
19:38.16simonrvndch -i ;)
19:38.26simonrvn!mirrors
19:38.26dpkg[debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
19:39.15root_____not mirrors list,  repos list
19:39.30root_____like backports testing blah blah blah
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19:39.47root_____for modifying /etc/apt/sources.list
19:39.54simonrvn^^^
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19:40.30Blackholdhello, does anyone knows glTail.rb?
19:41.32root_____i guess not ;/
19:41.47simonrvnroot_____: go see a mirror and browse around. <strike>handholding</strike>
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19:42.58fl4mewhat is refering /dev/kallsyms ?
19:43.30SerajewelKShow do i reset the 'desired' column in dpkg -l output for a package that attempted to install and failed?
19:43.38SerajewelKSdpkg -r says it's not installed
19:43.39dpkgremoves says it's not installed along with a pound of flesh from serajewelks's body, then staples serajewelks back up with a staple gun.
19:44.14simonrvnhehe
19:44.25SerajewelKSmm apparently dpkg is feisty
19:44.33SerajewelKSdpkg: remove the package, damn you!
19:44.33dpkgSerajewelKS: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
19:44.39SerajewelKSsee?  it's dumb
19:44.51simonrvnhehe
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19:45.51root_____i'm going some place where we speak the same language, you fellows speek geek or something.
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19:46.42abrotmanyay!
19:46.59jamonthere should be a no more than 2 _ in a nick rule..
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19:51.45SerajewelKSenouf: the box is still up, that's a good sign...
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19:53.05enoufSerajewelKS: 2.6.28?
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19:53.27SerajewelKSenouf: yeah
19:53.39enoufw00h00
19:53.42SerajewelKSenouf: i'm not going to stress it too much while using it remotely but it's holding up ok so far
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19:53.54SerajewelKSenouf: uptime 6:20, that's a record for .25+ :)
19:54.02enoufSerajewelKS: ;-)
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19:54.56simonrvnhe left? \o/
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19:55.14newsensewhen setting the reserved blocks with tune2fs what size blocks is it talking about ?
19:55.38newsensesays 5% is default but doesnt seem like it takes percentages
19:55.49SerajewelKSnewsense: depends on how it was formatted iirc
19:56.00enoufnewsense: what?
19:56.14enouf4096 is default
19:56.24newsensejust noticing the reserved blocks takes u quite a few gigs on my home partition
19:56.31enoufunles you tried to force another BS
19:56.52newsenseno i didnt
19:56.59enouf!base2 vs base10
19:57.06newsensedam i shouldnt have played with tune2fs haha
19:57.08enoufoh well :-P
19:57.25SerajewelKSnewsense: look at dumpe2fs -h /dev/thedevice
19:57.37SerajewelKSnewsense: i have block size 4096 (4Kb)
19:57.47enoufSerajewelKS: same as tune2fs -l /dev/name1 ;-)
19:58.03newsensecool thanks let me try to figure this out,
19:58.04enoufi used to promote dumpe2fs ... :-P
19:58.14SerajewelKSenouf: meh, whatever works, right?
19:58.26enoufbingo - however, 4096 is the default
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19:58.57enouflistvals base2
19:59.03enoufgah
19:59.05enouf!listvals base2
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19:59.07dpkgFactoid search of 'base2' by value (1): chrooted base.
19:59.12newsenseenouf, default 4096 no matter what size the partition is ?
19:59.13enoufgrah
19:59.29enoufnewsense:  not sure, are you creating 2MB partitions?
19:59.41newsenseenouf, haha no
19:59.50newsenseall 300mb and up
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20:00.27newsenseahh nm i see
20:00.33enoufwell, even 2TB ones will default to 4096, unless you're talking about newer ext3, which will use inode sizes x2 of what it was .. IIRC, er 256k instead of 128k IIRC
20:00.39newsensethats block size not reserved blocks nm
20:01.03enouf!maths
20:01.03dpkgsomebody said maths was like 1+2=3 or like "let epsilon < 0 be given".
20:01.50Jammin699|Awayis now away - Playing runescape for a change :). if u need me ill be on AIM - Jammin69966, Yahoo - Jammin6996, and MSN - Jammin6996@yahoo.com. - Left at 03:01:40
20:02.45abrotmanJammin699|Away: turn that off
20:02.50enoufnewsense: remember, tools such as fdisk, and /proc/partitions output 1024 as BS
20:02.53abrotmanJammin699|Away: turn that off
20:02.58Jammin699|Away?
20:03.07Jammin699|Awayy?
20:03.12abrotmanyour away message .. no one cares if you're gone, or your 20 other IM names
20:03.30abrotmanand stop sending me a notify every time i talk to you
20:03.37newsenseenouf, got a good solution to set reserved block size back to 5% like default ?
20:03.38enoufnewsense: fdisk -lu .. or use parted, or look at lshal output
20:03.47abrotmanget a new freaking IRC client .. yours blows
20:03.53enoufnewsense: tune2fs ;-)
20:04.05newsensei know but it wont accept percentage
20:04.13newsenseguess ill have to do the math :)
20:04.20enouftime for some .. yerp!
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20:05.30CharminTheMooseenouf, happy GNU year to j00!
20:05.54CharminTheMoosehappy GNU year to you as well abrotman!
20:06.00enoufa happy GNUm00SH! to you too youngun ;-)
20:06.02abrotmanbah humbug!
20:06.19CharminTheMoose:-)
20:06.39enoufCharminTheMoose: Santa has crumbs and old crusty stuff in his beard, pay him no mind :-P
20:07.27CharminTheMoosehaha
20:07.30enoufabrotman: don't be bah humbugging to me mate - i just shoveled,  .. and it just started snowing again ..
20:07.44abrotmanenouf: wait for it .. the 30mph winds are coming
20:07.59enoufwonderful ...
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20:09.13newsenseenouf, thanks figured it out just had to do the math myself since it doesnt take percentages thanks
20:09.52enoufnewsense: you're a grownup now ;-)
20:09.54newsenseblocksize * 100 / 5
20:10.12newsenseeasy enough, sometimes all those numbers get me all wound up and i cant think
20:10.27enoufer ..
20:10.40newsenseerr
20:10.46newsenseyeah i had it backwards
20:10.54newsensedivided by than times
20:11.08enoufpartition size (in bytes) / blocksize (4096) * 100 / 5
20:11.15enoufor something
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20:13.05stoneduh
20:13.06stonedsomeone rang?
20:13.39stonedits not in lastlog...
20:14.09stonedenouf, ping
20:14.55enoufstoned: yes?
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20:15.58stoneddid you hilight me?
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20:22.00supersoundguyany debian-compatible mobo recommendations out there?
20:22.23Gr33n3gghttp://linuxcompatible.org/
20:23.22d0lphin_n0elbem vou indo tudo de bom boas festas :)
20:23.58d0lphin_n0elgoing everything good and nice partys good joins and all good of this good things :)
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20:25.29schme_supersoundguy: It's a bit tricky to find one not compatible.  Look up one that seems to suit your needs, and specifically check for uncompatibility.
20:26.40supersoundguyi was just wanting an impression from someone...i've had some bad luck in the past picking boards that were "compatible" but did not afford full IO-APIC support
20:26.56Rich_MorinAny recommendations for book on Debian admin, etc?
20:27.08schme_I see.. never had any issues like that.
20:27.21schme_supersoundguy: Are you looking for normal desktop boards or some dual cpu thing?
20:27.59supersoundguyi've got a pentium d 940 (dual core)
20:28.11jamonRich_Morin: try lpic stuff, they cover admin in general and you learn different distros
20:28.18schme_Ok.. so a desktop board then :)
20:28.35supersoundguyyeah
20:28.47schme_Well I'm not of much use. I'm better with the xeon boards :)
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20:29.36jamonRich_Morin: there's a no starch press book about debian too apparently, no idea about it though
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20:30.00supersoundguyschme_, thanks anyways :)
20:30.09Rich_Morinjamon: "lpic"?
20:30.29Gr33n3gghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LPIC
20:30.36jamonlpi.org
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20:33.23Rich_MorinThanks.  However, I don't really want to spend my time learning all of the different ways Linux distros have found to do things.  I've been using Unix since V7, so I have most of the basic ideas down; I just want a reference to the things that make Debian different and how to deal with them.
20:34.14jamonin that case, http://www.debian.org/doc/books
20:34.59Rich_MorinYep, and Amazon lists books, too.  I was hoping for recommendations.
20:35.41Rich_MorinLooks like Krafft may be the right one.
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20:36.28jamondoesn't look like they have an etch version, so some will be out of date
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20:36.51peteriusglxgears -info in lenny forces me to hard reboot, it fills up some X queue with "tossed event which came in late"
20:37.16peteriusmieqEnequeue: out-of-order valuator event; dropping.
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20:50.32enoufpeterius: binary blob?
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20:58.43BlkHatWitchi need help
20:59.34BlkHatWitchmy adobe flash stoped working ive installed it it still dont work
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21:04.08seafarorI'm about to download debian? Which file do I need? debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso or debian-update-4.0r6-i386-CD-1.iso?
21:04.47pobegaI'm having some trouble with make-kpkg...Can someone help? http://pastebin.com/m58621c61
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21:05.32peteriusenouf: I did a dist-upgrade from etch, also I have a custom kernel so I don't know if its a legit bug for lenny
21:06.00abrotmanseafaror: you probably wan the etchnhalf r6 netinst
21:06.53seafarorabrotman no netinst. my wireless card doesn't work well with debian.
21:07.03newsensepobega, ask in #ubuntu
21:07.04seafarorabrotman vmware i mean
21:07.06abrotmanyou don't have a wired connection ?
21:07.28newsense!tell pobega about kp mantra
21:07.31pobeganewsense: it isn't an Ubuntu problem, I'm just using some Ubuntu kernel modules (I'm actually only using one, the rest are off)
21:07.44abrotmanpobega: go ask the debian eeepc channel
21:08.00pobegaabrotman: this isn't an eee debian problem ... it's a make-kpkg problem...
21:08.00seafarorabrotman i do, but then i'd have to get the wire :/
21:08.13abrotmanpobega: i'm not even sure make-kpkg works with .27
21:08.14abrotmanor .28
21:08.16ComradeHazEvening all. Could someone remind me, please, where dhcp leases are stored on machine running dnsmasq as a little dhcp server?
21:08.23abrotmanpobega: why are you messing with custom kernels?
21:08.32abrotmanComradeHaz: /var/run/ ?
21:08.36jelly-homecustom kernels are FUN!
21:08.51pobegaabrotman: why not?
21:08.55abrotmanWHY?
21:09.13jamonabrotman: it works with .28
21:09.22jelly-homepobega: in other words, what problem are you trying to solve by using a custom kernel?
21:09.22abrotmanjamon: not according ot SerajewelKS
21:09.43abrotmanand i think the issue with your paste is pretty freaking obvious
21:09.55pobegaOh, I thought it was more of a general question. None, I just feel like it's time to upgrade and migrate from madwifi to ath5k
21:09.57ComradeHazabrotman: could you be any more specific?
21:10.00jamondpkg -l linux-image-2.6.28 works for my .deb
21:10.00dpkgNo packages found matching linux-image-2.6.28 works for my .deb
21:10.06jamondamnit
21:10.39pobegaI think I found the problem anyway; Somehow my src directory had an s flag on it, and I chmodded it away.
21:10.43abrotmanComradeHaz: sorry .. /var/lib/ ..
21:10.58pingouinwhere can i set up the 'colors' of type of files (.jpg .jpeg etc..) in a (x)term when i make an ls ?
21:12.35ComradeHazhmm, ta. Still not quite helping. Trying to find a way around: "Dec 31 20:41:45 Apollo dnsmasq[29491]: not using configured address 10.0.0.3 because it is leased to 00:0c:76:0d:20:0f
21:12.53ComradeHazthe thing is, that NIC has died
21:12.54fl4meanyone can see how i can get a blog ?
21:13.04ComradeHazso I cannot use it to do a release
21:13.22ComradeHazany suggestions anyone?
21:13.38pingouinfl4me: what do you mean ?
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21:13.44ComradeHazI thought I'd just be able to see a list of the leases and delete the offending line
21:13.54fl4mepingouin,  post news
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21:14.13jamonpingouin: ~/.bashrc, put ls='ls --color=auto' in it
21:14.19pingouinfl4me: you run your own serveur linux/apache2/mysql/php ?
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21:14.28fl4mepingouin, yes
21:14.32pingouinjamon: ok, thanks
21:14.45pingouinfl4me: dont you know about wordpress ?
21:14.58pingouinfl4me: http://wordpress.org/
21:15.18fl4mepingouin, thk
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21:15.50spersaudlook at what I discover alt+prntscrn+b
21:16.13enoufpeterius: likely not, while using a custom kernel .. tried glxinfo? does everything else work? and i asked about binary blobs (nvidia, or fglrx)
21:16.14abrotman!sysrq
21:16.14dpkgit has been said that sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt
21:16.23pingouinjamon: is there some options in fstab, that can make the colors changes ?! on my first hd,  (/home) i got some colors, but on another one (sdb1) i dont have them ?! it's the same ~/.bashrc
21:16.25abrotmanspersaud: now go away
21:16.28pingouinany idea ?
21:16.39peteriusenouf: oh, I thought by "binary blob" you were asking about the install media, sorry
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21:16.57peteriusenouf: framerates are really low with 3d stuff, almost non existent, everything else seems to work
21:17.12jamonpingouin: dircolors
21:17.22peteriusenouf: HAL does not because of custom kernel, and I'll fix that soon but that shouldn't cause a fatal issue
21:17.25ComradeHazanyone able to help me, please?
21:17.31jamonnot sure how that works with a path though, if at all
21:17.45ComradeHazregarding 'killing' current leases
21:17.56peteriusenouf: glxinfo is fine, but the X errors...
21:18.30peteriusenouf: XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0"
21:18.30peterius<PROTECTED>
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21:20.17enoufpeterius: i would likely rebuild your binary blob, since your libc6 and Xorg versions have changed, but might be as easy as straightening out your GLX stuffs .. check dpkg -l libgl* | grep ^.i .. see nvidia replaces/stomps all over libGL - not sure of exact fix
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21:20.45peteriusenouf: this binary blob... what are we talking about?
21:21.03peteriusenouf: I use intelfb in kernel
21:21.10fl4mepingouin, this blog semble do not have much fonctionnality ?
21:21.10enoufpeterius: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0/log
21:21.28peterius<PROTECTED>
21:21.28enouf!blob
21:21.29dpkgblob is probably a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html
21:21.49peteriusI get that but I don't think I have any
21:22.03enoufpeterius: were you using 915resolution pkg?
21:22.06peteriusno
21:22.13peteriusalso I heard recent intel drivers support that internally?
21:22.29peteriusalso, it worked with etch and etch's X
21:22.53enoufpeterius: i don;t know - maybe others can - is libgl1-mesa-{dri,glx} installed?
21:22.59peteriusyeah
21:23.05peteriusglxinfo says direct rendering: yes
21:23.06enoufwe know
21:23.15enoufahh .. hrm
21:23.40peteriusthere's some weird errors with AIGLX, but I've searched around and... well seems like if I wanted to fix this I'd have to compile X and the latest intel drivers from source
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21:24.33enoufpeterius: try a debian kernel for the heck of it?
21:24.57enouf2.6.26 in lenny
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21:25.28peteriuswell, I mean I could, but... that seems like its not really a solution...
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21:26.11peteriusI mean the kernel is compiled for this system, its specific to the hardware, it has the intel drivers...  it could be a kernel issue that's fixed in .28 or something, I only .21, but why would X freeze up
21:26.11jelly-homepeterius: first thing to do is to get rid of the framebuffer
21:26.26jelly-home!nofb
21:26.26dpkgAppend "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer.
21:26.30abrotmantry a debian kernel!
21:26.37peteriusjelly-home? I thought it could be a conflict between framebuffer and 3d code but...
21:26.47abrotmanif that works, the problem is in your config, and a #kernel issue
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21:26.54pingouinfl4me: what are you looking for ?!
21:27.01peteriusif I do that, can I still use the console jelly-home?
21:27.04jelly-homepeterius: there can be conflicts between fb and 2d code too
21:27.18jelly-homepeterius: yes, in all of its 80x25 textmode beauty
21:27.23pingouinfl4me: wordpress is one of the best, maybe the best blog platform
21:27.36peteriusjelly-home: =(  that's no good for me, I do more console stuff than I care about 3d
21:27.39pingouinfl4me: but maybe not suitable for your needs
21:27.42jelly-homepeterius: what exact card do you have?
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21:27.57peteriusjelly-home: the other day I saw someone online who was using intelfb and intel drivers, char and graphics support
21:28.00peteriusintel945gm
21:28.12jelly-homepeterius: there's nothing wrong with a maximized xterm.
21:28.13pingouinfl4me: you can try http://dotclear.org/ instedd
21:28.14peteriusjelly-home: the other guy said he had no problems, but who knows
21:28.31pingouinfl4me: but take care, dotclear is made by a french guy ;)
21:28.44peteriusjelly-home: well its a personal preference but I'm not willing to give up my console framebuffer in order to screw around with some even then, half working 3d
21:28.56peteriusjelly-home: but isn't is just a straight up X error, what I'm experiencing?
21:29.07peteriusjelly-home: I mean an app is deadlocking some queue
21:29.21jelly-homepeterius: lose the fb and reproduce, then we'll talk ;-)
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21:30.02sk4Happy New Year! Debian!
21:30.20pingouinfor me the new year is when a new version of debian is out ;)
21:30.22peteriusjelly-home: this is always how my conversations in irc go... it comes down to some most likely irrelevant issue and then its like, well I guess I don't really want to solve the problem and no one will help me unless I do this irrelevant thing, so then I do the irrelevant thing, and then I just have two broken things instead of one
21:30.28sk4lol
21:30.33peteriusjelly-home I will try turning fb off
21:30.35jelly-homepeterius: (but Re: fb, I'm just repeating what people in #xorg have told me before... apparently intelfb is rather old and not well maintained; try vesafb if you must)
21:30.36Worfi can remember similar troubles with framebuffer ... textmode does indeed help
21:30.51peteriusjelly-home :but regardless, why would X have a queue deadlock
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21:31.26enouffor some real fun, try nvidiafb and nvidiabinary blobs
21:31.40peteriusgod, none of this shit works
21:31.47peteriusI've heard nvidia is pretty terrible
21:31.50enouf!blame peterius
21:31.51dpkgblames MatBoy and peterius for all the evil in the world
21:31.58fl4mepingouin, ok thk
21:32.08jelly-homepeterius: sorry, I missed your Xorg.0.log pastebin
21:32.12Worfstrangely i had less troubles with nvidia binary drivers and framebuffer than with some old intel hardware and ... uh ... whatever drivers i used back then
21:32.13pingouinsomeone can give me an advice, brand/manufacturer, for a pci card that allow me to plug SATAII hard drive - in an old comp that doesnt have it - that would be supported in the kernel
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21:33.01peteriusjelly-home: this is the fun stuff from xorg log:  Hardware claims pipe A is on while software believes it is off
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21:33.11peteriusthat just looks like a driver conflict
21:33.11SerajewelKSpeterius: oddly enough, nvidia is the only card that works resonably well for me on linux
21:33.26peteriusserajewelks: then I guess I heard wrong
21:33.29enoufWorf: which frameuffer is the important bit there
21:33.54SerajewelKSpeterius: closed drivers suck, but they work pretty well.  i can play world of warcraft and team fortress 2 under wine with no issues (except those in wine).
21:34.09peteriusserajewelKS: well I guess you got lucky
21:34.22peteriusmaybe, yeah, maybe the closed drivers do tend to work best
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21:34.33SerajewelKSpeterius: with all five of the nvidia models i've had? and with many versions of the driver? :)
21:34.34jelly-homehas an i915GM working well, including DRI and Composite
21:34.36pingouini play ETQW/Q4/UT2K4 thanks to this 'evil' drivers....
21:34.43peteriusintellinuxgraphics is open source right?
21:34.46pingouinwich i doesnt have to install them....
21:34.58pingouin...but for now...no other solutions so...
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21:35.03jelly-homepeterius: yes
21:35.04peteriusjelly-home? do you use aiglx?
21:35.05SerajewelKSpeterius: every so often i hit a dud version of the driver, but that didn't happen often
21:35.15enoufpingouin: see #hardware , but basically, find the chip controller of the card, then look for support in your kernel version, or think about upgrading your kernel - sata2 drive would likely need to be jumpered to sata1 mode/spec to be used in a sata PCI card
21:35.27peteriusI don't know how the different packages interrelated, I assume mesa is X is interface to the hardware drivers for 3d
21:35.34peteriusand dri is... 2d?
21:35.46jelly-homepeterius: compiz had 10fps framerate on this card so I use an oldstyle wm instead
21:35.47SerajewelKSpeterius: mesa is a software opengl implementation
21:36.07peteriusI've heard its software too but... then why do I need it?
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21:36.22SerajewelKSpeterius: DRI means that applications are basically able to write to video card memory directly without X sitting between
21:36.24peterius10fps jelly-home?  geez...
21:36.28Worfmaybe i'm naive, but i really do hope that 2009 will bring significant improvements to the graphic driver situation
21:36.33jelly-homepeterius: I might try it again with a 2.6.28 kernel (GEM enabled, supposedly there are performance improvements)
21:36.34peteriusoh right, direct rendering interface,
21:36.42peteriusI forget all this stuff...
21:36.44pingouinenouf: thanks, but this is the problem, is hard to know the chip on it (jmicron etc..)
21:36.47pingouinanyway, thanks
21:36.54SerajewelKSpeterius: but on a setup with the binary nvidia driver, you should not be using mesa at all
21:37.34peteriuswhatever, thanks all, but my patience is exhausted for this today, I just don't care that much about 3d... the X crash is nasty but... that's some X bug that I'm not going to be able to narrow down without a source compile
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21:38.43jelly-homepeterius: what versions of xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-video-intel, libgl1-mesa-dri were you using?
21:38.54peteriusetch they worked, lenny they don't
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21:39.19enoufjelly-home: but .. same custom kernel (in case you missed that bit)
21:39.19peteriusby worked I mean they didn't force a hard reboot, 3d, never worked
21:39.28peteriusyeah, same custom kernel
21:40.23jelly-homeenouf: I did, but Debian doesn't mess with drm drivers.
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21:41.33enoufthere's #intel-gfx
21:42.59peteriusthanks, maybe I'll check that out tomorrow
21:43.01peteriuscya
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21:44.17enoufpingouin: new mobo/cpu/ram == ~$150 ;-) full sataII support
21:44.37pingouinenouf: :)
21:44.55pingouina generic card, ~ 20 € ;)
21:45.08stonedahh
21:45.10enoufpingouin: i mean really - HDDs are about the only thing worth carrying over into a new system - + ddr2 is CHEAP!!
21:45.12stonedeuropeon mone
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21:45.25stonedwhy not carry ddr2 over also
21:45.26stoned?
21:45.33enoufewww.. a non-working SLOW piece of crap
21:45.35stonedno point in wasting ram
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21:46.19enoufjust tranfer the data to a few old udma2 HDD :-P
21:48.01pingouinyeah, but on a newer system/mobo, i'll must find a pci IDE card ;)
21:48.02stonedjelly-home, hows the new year eve?
21:48.05pingouinto get my old hd ;)
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21:48.25enoufhuh? most have atleast 1 IDE Controller
21:48.27stonedwhich chipset? you don't have onboard pata?
21:48.47stonedthey ALL have IDe controllers ffs.
21:48.49pingouinnot all the new mobo have some, have to find a good one
21:48.54stonedsata == IDE
21:48.56stonedpata == IDE
21:49.03enoufbull doggy
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21:49.12stonedwhat?
21:49.51pierre_legmt+1 people here?
21:50.14folkenpierre_le: /me raises hand.
21:50.15abrotmanand if there are ?
21:50.23stoned!tell pierre_le -about ask
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21:50.26jelly-homeabrotman: we'll hunt and kline him.
21:50.43pierre_letime to wish happy new one
21:50.47stonedjelly-home, you mean 'them'
21:50.55jelly-homestoned: no.
21:51.16jelly-homepierre_le: it's 22:50 here in CET (UTC+1)
21:51.27pierre_lehere too
21:51.27stoned1:10 to go
21:51.35pierre_leyes
21:51.40stonedits snowing in here i am staying inside and getting trashed
21:52.07jelly-homestoned: I wouldn't expect anything less!
21:52.23stonedo yeah, my good old friend mr james beam
21:52.29stonedehehehehe
21:52.50jamonwisers for me
21:53.14Worfstoned: kscreensaver has some nice fireworks ... :)
21:53.19stonedhehahaha
21:53.24stonedthanks man, I'll check em out
21:53.30K_SakuraOne thing I wonder, why would someone in the *red* sphere go out of their way to trade with someone in the gray sphere?
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21:53.41K_Sakuraoops, wrong channel.
21:54.00stonedWorf, cron xscreensaver to launcn on midnight
21:54.06enoufK_Sakura: take the blue pill
21:54.07stonedwith the fireworks
21:54.12K_Sakuralol..
21:54.14yitz_Which package - if any - contains urxvt?
21:54.24stoned!tell yitz_ -about search
21:54.35Simpsonboy77hey can someone help me out, im installing debian and im not sure if my swap partition should be 2 or 4 gb, i have 2 gb of real ram installed
21:54.37stonedrxvt-unicode
21:54.41yitz_Thanks
21:54.43K_SakuraActually, not just wrong channel, wrong server, and wrong nick too.
21:54.48stonedSimpsonboy77, about 1gb
21:54.51enoufyitz_: none, you want rxvt-unicode
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21:55.34Simpsonboy77stoned, really? most places i read recommended equal or double, not half
21:55.39enoufK_Sakura: wrong rabbit hole? ;-)
21:55.40stoneddoesn't matter man
21:55.48stoned1gb swap is good
21:55.50WorfSimpsonboy77: recently i eaven forget aabout creating swap ... but 1 GB should do usually, the system will be painfully slow allready if having that much swapped out
21:55.52stoned2gb ram is fantastif
21:56.02sk4realy?
21:56.05jamonSimpsonboy77: 2gb max if you want suspend, less if you turn on suspend compression
21:56.06sk4*
21:56.25jamonthink about it this way, if you're using 2gb physical, and 4gb swap, something is b0rked
21:56.27stonedI mean 1gb is good, 2gb is fantastic
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21:56.33Simpsonboy77i probably wont use suspend
21:56.39stoned1gib then
21:56.44Simpsonboy77alright thanks
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21:56.48stonednp
21:56.51pingouinSimpsonboy77: i got 4g of real ram, and a  478 mb swap
21:56.53TimothyAi use 8GB physical and 32GB swap
21:56.58Simpsonboy77ill probably go with 2 since space isnt much of an issue
21:56.59pingouinSimpsonboy77: it's never used
21:57.03TimothyAbecause i can
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21:57.09techfizhi all, any idea how we can remove + from -rwxr-xr-x+
21:57.14zu22how do i see what groups a user belongs to and how do i add a user to a group "foo"?
21:57.16Worfif some app goes crazy and uses lots of ram it's better to have little swap, otherwise it could take very long until the kernel finally starts to kill random apps :)
21:57.16techfizI have it set on perl binary
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21:57.18stonedTimothyA, perhaps it is time to put down the crack pipe ;)
21:57.22Simpsonboy77thanks all who helped
21:57.26TimothyAI SHALL HAVE MOAR!
21:57.30TimothyAadds another 1TB disk
21:57.33pingouinSimpsonboy77: and i run photoshop cs2 in wine manipulating very big scan of 35mm films
21:57.47stonedwhy is gimp not good enough?
21:57.48jamonzu22: groups, and adduser respectively
21:57.52enouftechfiz: that's either ACL or selinux
21:57.54zu22jamon: thanks
21:58.08pingouinstoned: you have to run both to understand ;)
21:58.09enouftechfiz: try man getfacl
21:58.09techfizenouf: hmm
21:58.21techfizenouf: awesome, thanks for reminding me
21:58.22jamongetfacl always makes me laugh when i type it
21:59.00enouftechfiz: and/or dmesg | grep -i selinux (and /etc/default/selinux? /etc/selinux?)
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22:00.30zu22jamon: i want to add the group lpadmin to user root, this group already exists, i tried "adduser --group lpadmin" as root but it tries to add lpadmin to the system. what is the correct command i need?
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22:01.28pingouinTimothyA: which one ? (1to hd)
22:01.44enoufzu22: you don't add groups to users
22:01.57enoufzu22: and root already is in every group
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22:04.31zu22enouf: well when i run gnome-cups-manager which runs gnome-cups-add and setup my printer it never creates the printer and the log says: CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized. I ran as user root so I don't understand why it won't allow me.
22:05.08enoufzu22: try logging into http://localhost:630/admin
22:05.24zu22enouf: i just tried the cups web interface: http://localhost:631/admin  but when i added printer there and click apply it says: 413 Request Entity Too Large
22:05.36enoufzu22: i have the same/similar issues in KDE's crap GUI interface shit
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22:05.47enoufit doesn't even know my passwords .. lmao
22:06.23zu22enouf: yeah it sucks lol. so any idea how i can get this printer setup? i don't understand why it says root is unauthorized. is there any other way i can try besides cups?
22:06.32pingouinzu22: you did this in http://localhost:631 ?
22:07.01zu22pingouin: yes: http://localhost:631/admin?op=add-printer&PRINTER_NAME=hp_par_DESKJET_960C&PRINTER_LOCATION=Local+Printer&PRINTER_INFO=HP+DESKJET_960C&DEVICE_URI=hp:/par/DESKJET_960C?device=/dev/parport0|HP+DESKJET_960C
22:07.20Worfwell first it's no wonder that one frontend to something gives the same errors as some other frontend does ...
22:07.26zu22pingouin: then it gives me that stupid error: 413 Request Entity Too Large
22:07.29zu22whatever that means
22:07.47zu22and i am running firefox as user root so i should have permission
22:07.49enoufzu22: i'm the wrong one to ask about printers .. i blundered my way through a crappy lexmark usb inkjet install - and everything says its working great! Even the test pages say; "Test page printed successfully"  .. and yet .. nothing ever happens :-P
22:08.06pingouinouch, you run firefox as root ?! ?!
22:08.27zu22pingouin: only ran it as root for this task! :) any clue what that error means?
22:08.31enoufer . 631 ... heh </me blushes>
22:08.33Worfzu22: it doesn't matter which user is running the browser... it matters what user you did use when logging in the web interface
22:08.34pingouinnop
22:08.54K_Sakura..... running a browser as root!?!!!
22:09.05zu22Worf: the web interface never asked me for user/pass
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22:09.09K_Sakurais incredulous
22:09.43enoufhrm, i might try the <cup setup> factoid .. might be missing a pkg or two - foomatic crap
22:09.54enoufer <cups setup>
22:10.11zu22Worf: any idea how i can get this working or what that error message means?
22:10.45pingouinwhich version of debian are you running ?
22:11.09Worfzu22: i could only guess ... enouf's idea with missing packages like foomatic sounds like a idea
22:11.49Worfbut not getting asked for user/pass allready is somewhat suspicious ...
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22:13.05Worfand your hp ... you have hpijs installed? i think that is needed too ...
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22:14.17jamonzu22: take a peek in /var/log/cups/error_log and access_log
22:14.37jamonyou might find that error you're getting is symptomatic of something else listed in those logs
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22:17.41enoufheh ==> "POST /printers/tmpprinter_q62CYsDl HTTP/1.1" 200 14854 Print-Job successful
22:17.41enouf-ok
22:17.47zu22jamon: i looked in there it says: CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
22:17.50enoufMy ass it's ok :-p
22:18.01zu22jamon: i don't understand how user root is unauthorized! ugh
22:18.22zu22Worf: yes i have hplip and hpijs installed
22:18.33zu22pingouin: debian etch
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22:19.51jamonzu22: yeah cups and root, forget about the two, add your user to cups (or is it cupsys?) group
22:20.27jamonzu22: also, restart cups after that with the proper init.d script and logout and back in
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22:24.04stonedjamon
22:26.13zu22jamon: the group is lpadmin
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22:26.57dandcwhy can the Sound Preferences do all the test beeps fine, but won't play the system sounds when I click play?
22:27.26zu22jamon: so i should stop cups, add my normal user to lpadmin group then do "/etc/init.d/cupsd start"?
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22:28.01jamonthat'll be fine
22:28.20zu22jamon: doh i just did "groups" as normal user and i'm already in lpadmin, so now what should i try? heh
22:28.48zu22jamon: try the web interface as normal user maybe?
22:28.49jamondid you logout after adding yourself to lpadmin the first time?
22:28.49enoufjust /etc/init.d/cups here (lenny/sid)
22:28.58zu22jamon: yes i did i even rebooted
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22:30.03zu22I don't understand why cups says I am not authorized to add a printer and what the REQUEST ENTITY TOO LARGE means. So frustrating.
22:30.08jamontbh i don't have a printer nor do i have cups, so i'm working from memory here, are you part of the lp group too?
22:30.13zu22Is there a non-cups method I can try to get my printer working?
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22:30.22ComradeHazHey all. Trying to find a way around: "..dnsmasq[29491]: not using configured address 10.0.0.3 because it is leased to 00:0c:76:0d:20:0f". Is there anywhere this is stored so I can delete the line and allow it to be assigned again?
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22:30.46enoufnumbers don't matter much there
22:30.55zu22jamon: not in lp group
22:31.12zu22or is cups the only way to get printer working in debian?
22:31.14jamonzu22: also, /var/spool/cups should have group permissions for lp i think it is
22:31.52jamonor at least group membership
22:32.31enoufzu22: guess you could try gksu, or gksudo and run gnome-cups-manager which runs gnome-cups-add
22:32.43jamonComradeHaz: well are you sure that the machine with 00:0c:76:0d:20:0f mac doesn't need the address?
22:32.56zu22jamon: /var/spool/cups is cupsys/lip: drwxrwx--T 4 cupsys lp 40 2006-05-17 08:46 tmp
22:33.01ComradeHazyeah
22:33.05ComradeHazthe NIC died
22:33.30ComradeHazso put as new NIC in and want the machine to have the IP it used to
22:33.46ComradeHazbut obviously can;t do a release as the old NIC's toast
22:33.47jamonzu22: good, so make sure you're in lp group, logout and back in, use the localhost:631 address and your normal user, it uses pam to authenticate iirc
22:33.47enoufdrwx--x--- 3 root lp 4096 2008-12-18 09:44 /var/spool/cups
22:34.45ComradeHazdo you know how I can force it to be released then jamon ?
22:35.08ComradeHazI'd be very grateful. I've been playing with this for a long while now
22:35.29enoufheh - cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 7 (Authentication failure)!
22:35.43zu22enouf: i already tried that, when i try that and do all the steps it never adds the printer and /var/log/cups/error_log says: UPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized
22:36.42enoufzu22: that's why i like the cups web interface ;-)
22:37.28zu22enouf: well when i try the web interface it gives me that damn weird error: 413 Request Entity Too Large
22:37.37enoufzu22:  i mean, maybe something in System > Preferences  ... or gconf-editor or gconftool2 . .who knows
22:37.41zu22Is there *anyway* to get a printer working in Debian besides using CUPS???
22:38.02enouf"POST /admin/ HTTP/1.1" 401 323 CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer successfu
22:38.02enoufl-ok
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22:38.12zu22enouf: oh i tried that, same message appears in error log when i do saying i am not authorized.
22:38.35zu22enouf: so i wonder why it works for you but not me
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22:38.52zu22enouf: is CUPS the only way to get a printer working in Debian?
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22:39.11Worfi think no, but by far the easiest
22:39.16enoufi have no problem adding/removing .. nor even printing .. except one small caveat .. nothing ever actually prints :-)
22:39.26jamonComradeHaz: does this help at all? http://osdir.com/ml/network.dns.dnsmasq.general/2008-04/msg00018.html
22:39.32enoufzu22: not really - but .. i don't know
22:40.00enoufzu22: is there a dpkg-reconfigure cups ?
22:40.41enoufaha .. yep - "POST /admin/ HTTP/1.1" 401 323 CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer successfu
22:40.41enoufl-ok
22:40.45enoufcrap .. sorry
22:41.04enoufaha - yep - "configure-debian -l" tells me so ;-)
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22:42.58zu22Worf: ah what are the other methods?
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22:44.42enoufzu22: i'm on lenny/sid, you're on etch
22:45.04Worfzu22: i can hardly remember ... there was some "LPD" o so ... but i never used it
22:46.11enoufi think i even resorted to cat file.txt > /dev/usb/lp0 or something :-P
22:46.32ComradeHazit absolutely did jamon. That's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for, just niot in the right place obiously :)
22:46.40ComradeHaz:)
22:46.45zu22enouf: yeah i used to run unstable but too many bugs too often :) so i don't mind if package versions lag a bit behind cause i value the stability of testing and also the security auditing of packages.
22:46.51ComradeHazThanks alot
22:47.33Worfi can say that i installed a lot of debian systems in 2008 and the cups always "just worked" for me. in the past i sometimes forgot foomatic, but that was the only problem i can remember.
22:48.12Worfbut i know that doesn't solve your problem :(
22:49.06enoufComradeHaz: now find the dhcp.leases file somewhere in /var ;-)
22:49.32jamonComradeHaz: that's when grep -i becomes your best friend :)
22:51.10zu22Worf: yeah, thanks for the help though, everything "should work" but fo some reason it doesn't. i just posted a message on a cups.org forum so maybe someone there will know what that weird error means and why cups says i am not authorized to add a printer.
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22:51.48lmyo, is software in the public interest still the best way to donate to the debian project?
22:52.28enoufzu22: it's possible you misconfigured something during the debconf .postinst script setup - rerun dpkg-reconfigure
22:52.36zu22enouf: ok
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22:52.45zu22see ya later everyone
22:52.50enoufzu22: yours might be cupsys, or something
22:52.52zu22enouf: thanks for trying
22:52.56enoufok
22:52.59zu22enouf: ya it's cupsys
22:53.06enoufmine's just cups
22:53.18zu22toodles~
22:55.57Worfit's about time to start the fireworks screensaver ... happy new year and all that stuff ..!
22:56.07grummundumm, should hostname print just that or the fqdn?  i have several systems with different behaviour
22:56.32enoufdepends what
22:56.34jamongrummund: whatever's in /etc/hostname for starters
22:56.45jamon(if you set the name with hostname -f that is)
22:56.45enouf's in /etc/hosts ?
22:56.54enouf!hostname
22:56.54dpkguse hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname
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22:59.46pierre_lehappy new year
22:59.55abrotmandude .. stop
23:00.03pierre_leweeeeeee
23:00.12lvhhappy new year from belgium :-)
23:00.17abrotmanno really .. go to #defocus ..
23:00.22pierre_lehappy one from strasbourg
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23:04.25pingouingood luck Belgium ;)
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23:07.00rahe..another 'year of ye olde linux-desktop' .. ;)  happy new one from germany..
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23:08.49pingouinyeah yeah, happy new year, with more wars around the world, more jobless people, more fxxxg politician raping people's right etc...
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23:09.14kanodevyeah ...
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23:11.02Orion_X11My system is hanging at boot time because of 'hald' hardware abstraction layer. So, what happens if I purge this hal? Am I going to get trouble?
23:11.26Orion_X11Some people say that's a bug
23:11.41enoufOrion_X11: which debian version?
23:11.49Orion_X11lenny
23:11.51enoufOrion_X11: what's your hardware basics
23:11.59lvhYou're unlikely to get in trouble, unless you're running Gnome.
23:12.09lvhI think getting rid of hal will bring Gnome down with it.
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23:12.20Orion_X11lvh: I am running Gnome
23:12.25pingouinnot a bad thing at all ;)
23:12.49lvhpingouin: Getting rid of Gnome?
23:12.53pingouin;)
23:12.54schme_happy new year
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23:14.25Orion_X11enouf: dvd rw, floppy driver, dvd-r, athon 64bitsx2, hd160gb
23:14.39enoufOrion_X11: laptop?
23:14.45lvhOrion_X11: Getting rid of hal will most likely get rid of GNOME.
23:14.45enoufoh
23:14.47Orion_X11enouf: desktop
23:15.03enoufOrion_X11: so, how long does it hang?
23:15.07lvhOrion_X11: Strange that it's hanging at boot time. Don't you get any error message?
23:15.18Orion_X11lvh: I do not want to get rid of gnome :-)
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23:16.08Orion_X11Some people are having the same problem > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1118363&posted=1#post1118363
23:16.10enoufOrion_X11: can you pastebin your entire dmesg? and also, /msg dpkg bootlogd and enable it, then post the contents of said file, once you reboot that is ;-)
23:17.05enoufis now known as SquarePants
23:17.15pierre_lewow, it was a tremendous fireworks screensaver
23:17.47enoufpierre_le: go to #freenode-newyears for more fellow revelers ;-)
23:18.19blubberdiblubhappy new year from germany
23:18.33schme_bush: Happy new year from the sweden!
23:18.37schme_fark
23:18.42schme_blubberdiblub: Happy new year from the sweden!
23:18.54blubberdiblubschme_, thanks :)
23:18.59enoufpierre_le: do "/mode pierre_le +w" to enable such treats as; [18:07:13] !Martinp23! The New Year has just hit continental Europe head-on, Happy New Year to everyone! Join the party fun and games in #freenode-newyears as the new year speeds its way towards The Last Continent!
23:19.44enoufit's a speedy new year
23:19.45Orion_X11<PROTECTED>
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23:20.02enouf!+tell Orion_X11 -about paster
23:20.03dpkgtold Orion_X11 about paster.
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23:20.50caimlasshort question: how might I regress an apt-get package installation to a prior version (incl. all dependencies)? long question: http://pastebin.com/m186bbd02
23:20.58enoufOrion_X11: and i mean contents of /var/log/boot (<-- said file)
23:21.19abrotmancaimlas: short answer, go to #ubuntu
23:21.24enoufhaha
23:21.42enouflong answer /msg dpkg based on debian
23:21.52multi_iohappy new 2009 GMT+1
23:21.57abrotmango away
23:22.03caimlasabrotman, does ubuntu f*ck with apt at all?
23:22.03multi_iohappy thursday everybody else
23:22.13abrotmancaimlas: it's not Debian .. go to #ubuntu
23:22.17caimlasabrotman, because this is, essentially, "how do I regress with apt"
23:22.20abrotmancaimlas: it's not Debian .. go to #ubuntu
23:22.32caimlasabrotman, you're a pedantic little worm, aren't you?
23:22.34avucaimlas, really, go to #ubuntu :)
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23:22.50abrotmancaimlas: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic
23:22.51enoufquick meal
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23:22.53jelly-hmecaimlas: we don't know and we don't want to give inappropriate advice
23:22.56Orion_X11enouf: http://paste.debian.net/24884/
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23:24.52multi_ioapt is Debian.
23:25.05abrotmanno, it's not
23:25.20pierre_leapt-get install 2009
23:25.27abrotmanpierre_le: STOP
23:25.49multi_ioapt questions are off-topic here?
23:25.51apt...but questions is already something else...
23:25.51thinlineI'm trying to get a package removed and have the error "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" how can I force the removal?
23:26.06pingouinOrion_X11: maybe try rcconf(install the package) and stop the launch of hald at bootime with it
23:26.07multi_iothinline: apt questions are off-topic here
23:26.12abrotmanmulti_io: debian based distros patch may patch their apt .. on top of things like apt4rpm
23:26.21abrotmanthinline: paste all of the output in a pastebin
23:26.24pingouinand you can keep gnome if it's depend on it (strange by the way)
23:26.51Orion_X11pingouin: I use file-rc to stop deamons
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23:27.28thinlineabrotman: http://paste.debian.net/24886/
23:27.34pingouinOrion_X11: cool, i'm to lazy, lame to do it this way, i run rcconf because i never understood anything about the rc.d stuffs ;)
23:27.46abrotmanthinline: is the red5 running ?
23:27.55multi_iothinline: the script is in /var/lib/apt/info/<package>.prerm or so
23:28.03thinlineI look for differnet --force-... and didn't find one
23:28.07multi_io(as a last resort)
23:28.11thinlinered5 is not working at all
23:28.29thinlinemulti_io: thanks i'll just hack that one
23:28.32deniz_can someone help me with a ubuntu problem (it isnt ubuntu specific as im having similar issues on my debian pc) but the ubuntu people dont seem to know how to help me so; my problem is: i can run kmplot as root but not as user ever since i played alot with the program's zoom feature (i have errors from terminal if needed)
23:28.40abrotmanthinline: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/red5.prerm and comment the line where it tries to stop it
23:28.58abrotmandeniz_: go to #ubuntu or ##linux
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23:29.07enoufOrion_X11: huh? you're using file-rc? then you replaced your whole init.d/ startup system
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23:29.23deniz_abrotman, ill go to ##linux actually, thx
23:29.28abrotmanthank you
23:29.40T_A_reeGood evening everyone & a good new-year.
23:30.04T_A_reeCan someone tell me how to solve this :
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23:30.47T_A_reeI did "# debootstrap --arch amd64 sid /var/64 ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian"
23:30.53Orion_X11enouf: I have always used file-rc and have had no problem about hald. I am sure this is not because I replaced my init.d at all
23:31.26Orion_X11enouf: file-rc is this machine for ages
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23:32.19schme_T_A_ree: solve what?
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23:32.53T_A_reeBut, when i type "chroot /var/64 su - 'my_user_name'" it says : "Unknown id: thierry" (thierry is my username)
23:33.22einandVälkomna till det nya året!
23:33.31schme_T_A_ree: And there is a thierry user in the chroot?
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23:33.47T_A_reeHow can i make him know 'thierry' user.
23:33.49T_A_ree?
23:34.04schme_Also, you're running sid. We don't support ;)
23:34.07schme_einand: Gott nytt år.
23:34.19einand:)
23:34.23T_A_reeno i run Lenny.
23:34.25einandHappy New Year
23:34.43schme_T_A_ree: But on the chroot ;)
23:34.58schme_T_A_ree: My thinking is that you have no thierry in the chroot environment
23:35.15T_A_reeSchme what do you mean ? (Im a 'candid' in IT)
23:35.17enoufOrion_X11: dmesg isn't showing me much .. hrm, you came out of Power Management mode ?
23:35.52enoufOrion_X11: i see nothing in dmesg related to hal, or issues with it - though i know the Console kernel text you posted eariler
23:36.08blubberdiblubT_A_ree, a chroot is in some ways like a separate system. there's no user thierry inside that, yet. create the user thierry _inside_ the chroot
23:36.10schme_T_A_ree: Right. What you did there is install a debian system in /var/64 , and you change your root (ie. /) to there, and you run su.. su being run from the new root, su checking /etc/users in the new root.
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23:36.46schme_T_A_ree: I suspect a chroot /var/64 && adduser thierry    will be helpful :)
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23:37.03Orion_X11enouf: I have just checked the power cables
23:37.19schme_googles candid
23:37.22T_A_reeYou are too Schm ! I m trying at once !
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23:37.56lvhschme_: 'neophyte'.
23:38.14lvhnewbie. rookie. wet behind the ears. You get the idea.
23:38.42schme_Ah thanks.
23:38.44Orion_X11enouf: I have disabled 'hal' in /etc/runlevels.conf in file-rc. I will reboot to see if the hanging has disappeared
23:39.03Orion_X11enouf: in all runlevels
23:39.16Orion_X11I will reboot now
23:39.19enoufOrion_X11: wait
23:40.06enoufwhere does it hang exactly? (give prior and post messages you see) enable bootlog yet? and for how long does it hang?
23:40.14T_A_reeThe previous command had been accepted but now, when i type "chroot /var/64 su - thierry" it says : "chroot: cannot change root directory to /var/64: No such file or directory". What should i do ?
23:42.01blubberdiblubT_A_ree, are you incidentally already inside the chroot? from inside there's only the tree under /var/64 which appears to it as /. run the chroot command from outside the chroot. or just run the su command
23:42.17stonedtragic news in debian
23:42.27Orion_X11enouf: the message at boot time is: "starting hardware abstraction layer: hald" and then it hangs for ages and I have to reboot by hand using the front button 2 times more and in the 3rd time i get gdm.
23:42.30stonedsomeone passed away, a developer
23:42.43stonedRest In Peace
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23:42.58T_A_reeThank you very much. You are helpful.
23:43.22T_A_reecd /home/thierry
23:43.30T_A_ree(sorry)
23:44.13Orion_X11enouf: But since I have disabled hal in all runlevels  I think it will hang no more
23:44.44Orion_X11I hope so
23:46.06Orion_X11enouf: What do you think?
23:47.19T_A_reeIm not sure i grasp it all: i moved to /home/thierry as root and retyped "chroot /var/64 su - thierry", and the output is still the same : "chroot: cannot change root directory to /var/64: No such file or directory"
23:48.43blubberdiblubT_A_ree, are you still _inside_ the chroot? (i.e. have you typed "chroot /var/64 bash" or something before and forgot to "exit"?)
23:48.45enoufyeah, i see "Setting sysfs variables", just prior .. and "Setting deferred execution scheduler (atd)" just after the hald stuffs
23:49.37Orion_X11enouf: What do you mean?
23:49.43enoufOrion_X11: have you ever played with power management - like suspend/standby with swap and such?
23:49.48Gun_SmokeIf I bridge eth0 to eth1 and eth1 will be feeding a router, do I need to have the server become the dhcp server or let the router take care of everything behind it?
23:50.20Orion_X11enouf: I think so.
23:50.40T_A_reeIt s very possible, so i type "exit" coming back to 'thierry' environnement. And then...?
23:51.07schme_T_A_ree: Just keep hitting exit till your xterm closes. Then fire up a new one ;)
23:51.22blubberdiblubT_A_ree, as soon as you're sure you're outside the chroot, retry the command
23:51.49nsadmincan I compile stuff needing qt-4.1+ in etch?
23:52.04abrotmandoubtful
23:52.27enoufOrion_X11: hrm, might want to ensure you check out what's leftover from that - your kernel line has no resume= , but perhaps in /etc/ there's references to your swap partition to resume from  .. hrm .. Check /etc/modules for possible non-needed anymore loading module
23:52.45schme_nsadmin: Of course you can.
23:52.46T_A_reebut i need su privileges to run the "chroot /var/64 su - thierry" command, no ?
23:52.54nsadminis there a qt lib dev package I could try installing?
23:52.58enoufOrion_X11: also, you're having Audio issues?
23:53.19Orion_X11enouf: No. I am not. Why?
23:53.32schme_T_A_ree: so make sure you're root first.
23:53.45enouf13.166047] hda_codec: Unknown model for ALC883, trying auto-probe from BIOS... Orion_X11
23:53.50T_A_reeok, im #
23:53.54nsadminschme_: I understand... you mean I could build qt of whatever version... I want to start by seeing if there are packages for that stuff
23:54.10schme_aaaah
23:54.14schme_no idea. :)
23:54.32enoufOrion_X11: this isn't too cool either (AFAIK) -> [    14.443166] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = 4687431975 ns)
23:55.42Orion_X11enouf: So, do I have to fix all this stuff? I do not have all this know-how :-(
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23:56.05enoufOrion_X11: for kicks, i would overwrite the swap partition using swapoff -a /dev/sda6 && mkswap /dev/sda6 && swapon /dev/sda6
23:56.21T_A_reeStill the same output : "thierry-desktop:/home/thierry# chroot /var/64 su - thierry
23:56.21T_A_reeUnknown id: thierry"
23:56.58serraphynwhat is the file I need to edit for gnome in debian to execute a commmand on start of gnome?
23:57.06enoufOrion_X11: you have no /var/log/boot to show us?
23:57.42blubberdiblubT_A_ree, was your "chroot /var/64 adduser thierry" command successful before?
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23:58.03Orion_X11enouf: > (Nothing has been logged yet.)
23:58.05T_A_reeYes it was i think.
23:58.20Orion_X11enouf: that is the content of the file
23:58.33elgdoes the etch install cd support lvm and raid, as a rescue cd (not for installation)?
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23:59.11Orion_X11enouf: what happens if I issue this command?  swapoff -a /dev/sda6 && mkswap /dev/sda6 && swapon /dev/sda6
23:59.39enoufOrion_X11: your swap file becomes new/clean
23:59.44enoufer partition
23:59.45Orion_X11enouf: Am I breaking my system?
23:59.49enoufno
23:59.51blubberdiblubT_A_ree: check "grep thierry /var/64/etc/passwd" if it gives any output

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