IRC log for #debian on 20090101

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00:00.17T_A_reeI have retyped the above command and it was successful.
00:00.20Orion_X11enouf: is it a good thing to do?
00:00.20T_A_reeOk.
00:00.26enoufOrion_X11: it's safe, i do it all the time - just make sure /dev/sda6 is correct as your dmesg suggests
00:01.01T_A_reegrep: /var/64/etc/passwd: No such file or directory
00:01.31blubberdiblubT_A_ree, are you inside the chroot again?
00:01.43enoufOrion_X11: yep - break the command into 3 do one at a time - show me your /boot file contents - you have to reboot for it to become populated - and tell me /etc/default/hal contains only DAEMON_OPTS=   ???
00:02.21T_A_reeI don't know ! May be may be not, God knows, i don't.
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00:02.30schme_T_A_ree: Here's what you do, mate;  You open up two xterms. in one you do    chroot /var/64    , and in the other you don't.  So just remember which one is where.
00:02.33T_A_reeTyping exit again.
00:02.51blubberdiblubT_A_ree, well, you should really read up on what a chroot is ;)
00:03.33Orion_X11enouf: do you remember that I have desabled the hald in /etc/runlevels.conf ?
00:03.48Orion_X11enouf: do I have to enable that again?
00:04.18T_A_reeOk 2 xterms open as root. (#)
00:04.44enoufOrion_X11: Yes -- also - try this beforehand; apt-get install --reinstall hal (or just apt-get install hal (to try and upgrade the version))
00:04.53T_A_reeThe bottom one is for chroot, the upper one is not for chroot.
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00:05.27schme_T_A_ree: Great. Now you just keep track of what you do where, and all is well.
00:05.54T_A_reeThank you very much.
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00:06.03schme_T_A_ree: So either you grep /etc/passwd or /var/64/etc/passwd
00:06.33nsadmincool :) so simple-lenny-backport worked with qtractor
00:07.36nsadminjudd, versions libqt4-dev
00:07.37juddnsadmin: libqt4-dev -- etch: 4.2.1-2+etch1 etch-security: 4.2.1-2+etch1 lenny: 4.4.3-1 sid: 4.4.3-2
00:08.02blubberdiblubT_A_ree, the following command should tell you - only in your case - if you're inside the chroot or outside: test -d /var/64 && echo "outside" || echo "inside"
00:08.14T_A_reeThe upper xterm got lost in "grep /etc/passwd" command...
00:08.40blubberdiblubT_A_ree, so if you did all correct, in your upper one it should output outside while in the lower one it should output inside
00:08.56serraphyncan anyone tell me what the file is to put in the commands you want to have auto run when you login to gnome?
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00:09.05T_A_reeThank you very much Blubberdiblub.
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00:09.28schme_ok this is too much.
00:09.31T_A_reeBut the prompt doesnt want to come back ...
00:09.52schme_T_A_ree: You just typed    grep /etc/passwd   and hit enter, correct?
00:09.55blubberdiblubT_A_ree, Ctrl-C or Ctrl-D, since you forgot to specify one argument ;)
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00:10.28serraphynis it .bashrc? Anyone?
00:10.58schme_serraphyn: I can tell you that it is *not* .bashrc, other than that I don't know what file it is.
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00:11.12T_A_reeGood tip this tip. Thank you.
00:11.20enoufheh
00:11.23T_A_reeYes thats what i typed.
00:11.40serraphynthere has to be a file like that
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00:12.48enoufserraphyn: try rc.local - but kde has something called ~/.kde/Autostart/ or similar which you can also alter the path and filename inside it's k control center
00:13.11enoufserraphyn: try gconf-editor? also see #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org
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00:13.42Orion_X11enouf: rebooting now
00:13.55Vorboteserraphyn: Try the gnome-session applet.
00:14.00enoufserraphyn: even perhaps gdm-setup? (though i doubt it)
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00:14.28T_A_reeSorry guys, you're helpful. What should i do now ?
00:14.56schme_T_A_ree: I forgot what the problem was.
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00:15.02T_A_reeMe too.
00:15.29enoufserraphyn: /etc/rc.local and /etc/init.d/rc.local run at the last thing (S99 in runlevel 2) as the desktop comes up - yet that file is not gnome specific obviously
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00:16.13serraphynI just want to have synergyc run soona s the desktop appears
00:16.32blubberdiblubT_A_ree: in the lower window, check the command "grep thierry /etc/passwd"
00:16.48Vorboteserraphyn: use the sessions applet it is there in your preferences menu.
00:17.02T_A_reeAh si, when i type "chroot /var/64 su - thierry" it returns "Unknown id: thierry" allthough the command "blabla" was ok.
00:17.11T_A_reeim trying.
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00:17.26serraphynsweet thanks vorbote
00:17.33Vorboteuses it to start evolution-data-server and get all his reminders at login.
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00:18.09T_A_reethierry-desktop:/home/thierry# grep thierry /etc/passwd
00:18.10T_A_reethierry:x:1000:1000:thierry,,,:/home/thierry:/bin/bash
00:18.30blubberdiblubT_A_ree, then, also in the lower window, do "su - thierry"
00:18.52blubberdiblubT_A_ree, you made sure you are inside the chroot in the lower window, right?
00:19.06serraphynsweet thanks vorbote
00:19.11serraphynmt
00:19.33T_A_reeOh no. i m checking it at once.
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00:20.53nsadmindo you understand fully waht a chroot is?
00:21.16enoufnot even semi
00:21.16blubberdiblubi already suggested to him to read up on that ...
00:21.26nsadminI saw
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00:21.49T_A_reeSorry how one gets into the chroot ? Cause down there its still outside of it...
00:22.00nsadminwhat I was going to say to him is dependent on that knowledge
00:22.17blubberdiblubT_A_ree, make sure you are root down there, and "chroot /var/64"
00:22.53blubberdiblubT_A_ree, after that, check again, just to make sure
00:23.44T_A_reeFine, downthere we're inside !
00:23.53enouflikes to setup PS1 in .bashrc (with various colored prompts and such) to avoid confusion
00:24.06blubberdiblubT_A_ree, very well, then now do "grep thierry /etc/passwd" there
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00:24.31enoufAupthere and Bdownthere
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00:24.57T_A_reeOK, i did it, no special output.
00:24.59nanonymeenouf: Could also make PS1 show the hostname and use a different hostname per chroot.
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00:25.20blubberdiblubT_A_ree, okay, then do "adduser thierry" there (still in the lower window)
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00:25.35nanonymeAnd happy New Year, everyone.
00:25.36enoufnanonyme: that was my point, hostname /prompt style / color , etc
00:25.38mindrapehey caimlas.  :)
00:25.42macmanguys .. im trying to get my card to go into monitor to use kismet .. can i get help with this ?
00:25.46caimlasmindrape, hi.
00:26.53nanonymeenouf: Right.
00:27.01sajesWhere would I start investigating why an entire system lockup occured, other than /var/log? I already looked at the logs in /var/log/ and they didn't have anything suspicious.
00:27.05T_A_reeI wanted to wish a special very good new year 2009 tio all those helpful debian advanced users that are wasting their new year eve for trying to guide such dumbs users like me. Have a very nice 2009 year guys !
00:27.45blubberdiblubT_A_ree, just read up on what a chroot jail is, and you'll begin to understand ;)
00:27.45enoufnanonyme: i still have yet to fiddle with schroot though
00:27.54sajesAs a side note, I did try booting with acpi=off, but all it did was make my usb keyboard input extremely slow.
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00:28.49T_A_reeThank you (Im not a native-english speaker you know?)
00:29.13blubberdiblubT_A_ree, have you successfully added the user thierry inside the chroot (in the lower window) now?
00:29.37schme_T_A_ree: We could have done it in french ;)
00:29.43T_A_reeI beginning to understand Linux is how to say...tedious ...(?) to understand...
00:29.53schme_Pfft! Not tedious at all.
00:29.54nanonymeenouf: I've ever only used dchroot. It's ported for other distros, schroot seems to be.
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00:30.17nanonymeErm, seems not to be even.
00:30.39mordofanyone able to help with getting Internet Connection Sharing to work? or possibly if you just know a link to a solid guide to it.. i can't get the client to pick up any connection at all, and pings refuse to work also
00:30.40nanonymeThe exact reason for the lack of a port I don't know.
00:30.47blubberdiblubT_A_ree, well, chroot is not exactly a beginner's thing ... it's an extremely useful concept, tho. it's worth understanding it
00:30.48enoufschroot was supposed to be the new/improved dchroot, iinm
00:31.13nanonymeenouf: Yeah, it was. It still seems to be a Debian-only thing - or at least a Debian-based distro only thing.
00:31.13T_A_reeIn fact it tells me (blabla) and "Enter new UNIX password".
00:31.26caimlasabrotman, do you know if debian's apt supports package regression? IE, if you do an apt-get install foo and get foo v2, and you had v1 before (incl all deps) is there any way to regress? can't seem to find whether apt supports said feature.
00:31.27enoufnanonyme: fine with me ;-)
00:31.34blubberdiblubT_A_ree, yes, you have to set a password for the new thierry user inside the chroot
00:31.44abrotmancaimlas: ask thewhole channel
00:32.14abrotmancaimlas: because at this point, i'm going to assume you're asking ubuntu questions, and i'm going to send you back to #ubuntu *again*
00:32.15enoufmordof: ask ##windows? or maybe you want /msg dpkg ipmasq
00:32.17schme_caimlas: That would be troublesome if stuff depended on foov2
00:32.18T_A_reeMay I set a root psswd or a user password ?
00:32.26abrotmanT_A_ree: passwd
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00:33.07T_A_reeI give 'passwd' as password, is it ?
00:33.07nanonymecaimlas: Afaik the old versions usually aren't stored but I might be wrong.
00:33.15abrotmanT_A_ree: passwd is a command
00:33.15blubberdiblubT_A_ree, don't use the same password for thierry as you use for root
00:33.18mordofenouf: the server isn't windows (doing the sharing)
00:33.27caimlasabrotman, are you saying tat to me because yo udon't know the answer, or for some other particular reason? I'm asking a general debian (apt) question, as I'd thought the feature had been available for a while, but can't seem to identify it in docs
00:33.35abrotmancaimlas: i'm saying i don't support ubuntu users
00:33.47caimlasunderstandably, they're an irritating bunch
00:33.48mordofenouf: ipmasq i thought was for setting up a dhcp server? not sure. i saw it in a guide, but that one was a bit hard for me to follow
00:33.49abrotmancaimlas: and since ubuntu gave you your apt .. it's a question for #ubuntu
00:33.54T_A_reeYes but which password is the machine asking root one or thierry's one ?
00:33.59schme_caimlas: Just uninstall v2 and install v1
00:34.04abrotmanT_A_ree: passwd <user<
00:34.06abrotman<user>
00:34.14caimlasschme_, heh that'd be the usual approach, yeah.
00:34.14mindrapeabrotman: you have to realize that #ubuntu is full of useless tards though that barely know the system in which they live and breathe...
00:34.18blubberdiblubabrotman, he's still inside adduser's prompts
00:34.28enoufmordof: ipmasq is basically what ICS is to windows
00:34.29abrotmanmindrape: not our problem .. if your distro can't support its users .. get a new distro
00:34.38blubberdiblubT_A_ree, if you did "adduser thierry", he's asking for thierry's new password
00:34.40abrotmansuch is what caimlas should do ..
00:34.56mordofenouf: oooh. any chance you'd be able to help me find some sort of guide to setting it up? lol :s been at this for a long time.. i'm not doing too great by myself xD
00:35.18caimlasschme_, but let me ask you something: if you upgrade X, and X which is the dependency for a bunch of other packages, and those dependent packages do not necessarily need a specific version, and try to do that removal, is there a way to avoid breaking things? :P
00:35.29abrotmancaimlas: take your ubuntu questions to #ubuntu, last warning
00:35.37enouf!tell mordof about ipmasq
00:35.59mindrapeabrotman: he was there asking for a good hour... I saw him.  Nobody knows so it's pointless to send him there.
00:36.02caimlasabrotman, I've been using linux since '97 and debian since 1999.
00:36.06caimlasfwiw.
00:36.06schme_caimlas: I have no idea how a aptitude remove would break anything.
00:36.09enoufmordof: look in your other windows for a msg from [dpkg]
00:36.12Guerincaimlas: then you shouldn't need our help.
00:36.14abrotmancaimlas: you are using ubuntu and asking ubuntu questions here, go away
00:36.27T_A_reeOk, you may laugh now guys cause i fear i went a bit far for the purpose i aimed at...
00:36.32caimlasabrotman, I've only mentioned debian and apt, in an abstract manner. I don't see you offering any solutions here, just standing in the mud.
00:36.34abrotmanmindrape: not our problem, we do NOT support every distro based on debian here
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00:36.40mordofenouf: ah, kk. ill look through that, ty
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00:36.53mindrapeabrotman - agreed.  ;)  Just saying it's pointless to send him back... might as well send him to google.  hah.
00:36.55enoufcaimlas: i might try .. but .. oh well .. nm ;-)
00:36.56abrotmancaimlas: silenced for 10 minutes again for being offtopic
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00:37.56blubberdiblubT_A_ree, just read up on what chroot is first ;) i really doubt you can do anything useful within a chroot without understanding the concept ;)
00:38.02nanonymeBtw, should I be able to compile a Debian kernel properly inside a dchrooted Debian system?
00:38.39liablesure, dont forget to mount proc
00:38.39nanonyme(Chrooted, whatever. Dchroot might be unnecessary)
00:38.43enoufsure, if you set it up all prior
00:38.47liableand sys to i guess
00:38.47nanonymeRight.
00:38.53enoufwhy not debootstrap that dchroot
00:39.08nanonymeI suspect I have forgotten the sys before. That could explain the fail.
00:39.22enoufnanonyme: there's more than that you need ;-)
00:39.36enoufnanonyme: are you aware of fakeroot?
00:39.51enoufnanonyme: make-kpkg uses it ;-)
00:40.03enoufnanonyme: are you aware of make-kpkg? :-)
00:40.09nanonymeHrm.
00:40.27enouf!+tell nanonyme -about k-p
00:40.27dpkgtold nanonyme about k-p.
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00:40.40nanonymeInteresting.
00:40.53enoufoh yes
00:41.04T_A_reeYou know i just wanted to run VirtualBox properly on an amd64 & i found this clue of creating this /var/64 for having it working properly, but other issues came then out and now i wonder if i can use VirtualBox (& this only to run this bloody f#cking 'Paltalk' which doesn't work with Wine !
00:41.08nanonymeHrm, just wondering since when I tried to apt-get install a Debian kernel, I got some errors related to mounts iirc.
00:41.34enoufwell .. that's a bit .. er vague ;-)
00:41.35nanonymeBut yeah, I'll rather take a look at that compiling part.
00:41.53nanonymeIgnore the error part, I'm drunk and I'll just take a look at the compiling way when I'm sober again.
00:42.18enoufnanonyme: if using LVM or mdadm or crypt - your build, especially the initrd will want some extra attention
00:42.29nanonymeThanks, I do.
00:43.18nsadminread up on what it means to feed --initrd to make-kpkg
00:43.25enoufdmsetup, crypsetup etc ... the correct modules loading from the initrd, etc
00:43.31nanonymeRoot fs is ext4 primary partition, then there's a bunch of directories home,opt,usr and var as LVM.
00:43.33enoufyep
00:43.53nanonymeRight.
00:44.02enoufwell, 1st you want a debian kernel source that supports ext4 ;-)
00:44.12nanonymeThat'd mean 2.6.28.
00:44.19enoufheh
00:44.25blubberdiblubT_A_ree, i have no experience at all with VirtualBox, sorry
00:44.47enoufnanonyme: see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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00:45.05T_A_reeI don't either, i discouraged them on vbox channel !
00:45.25Sebwhat's a good graphical subversion client these days ?
00:45.30nanonymeenouf: Btw, even though I'm drunk, I am opening all the guide links so don't worry, the help will not be completely vain. :)
00:45.47enoufnanonyme: if you bookmark it, i'm happy ;-)
00:46.07enoufSeb: kde has ksvn or whatever
00:46.30enouflikely gnome has gsvn?
00:46.35Sebenouf: heheheh
00:46.39Sebenouf: i'll check it out
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00:46.43metrixI've heard that there are problems with sendmail, should I install it on my Debian machine, or is there a better alternative?
00:46.47enouf!8ball does gnome have gsvn?
00:46.47dpkgNegative.
00:46.51enoufaww
00:46.57Sebit actually does not
00:47.01abrotmanmetrix: postfix or exim4 is usually easier
00:47.03enoufouch
00:47.07nsadmintwm could have tsvn!
00:47.11metrixThank you!
00:47.26Sebi was looking for something gnome-based, as the colleagues moving from windows will use gnome, but i guess ksvn can do
00:47.27enoufdon't taunt the happy fun ball
00:47.49frankS2is it possibe to get an overview on all the workspaces in fluxbox? like in gnome you can see all the workspaces in a dock
00:47.58enoufSeb: i think rapidsvn is gtk based
00:48.07Sebenouf: ah
00:48.15enoufi've used it - but way back in Sarge - was a bit .. er buggy ;-)
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00:48.34T_A_reeAnyway thank you so much blubberdiblub & abrotman & schme_. And a happy new-year to all of you !
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00:48.54enoufT_A_ree: your english was fine
00:49.05blubberdiblubT_A_ree, yeah, a happy new year to you as well. i think i'm off to bed now
00:49.20T_A_reeThank you. Where are you from guys ?
00:49.28enoufearth
00:49.34T_A_reeIm from France, Marseille.
00:49.35nsadminwhy would alsa prevent setting number of periods?
00:49.44blubberdiblubvirgo cluster ;)
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00:50.20nsadminI'm trying to start jack
00:50.21enoufUS of thank goodness Bush and Cheney are almost gone!
00:50.42blubberdiblubgermany here
00:51.04SebUS here, but from France :)
00:51.22nsadminALSA: cannot set period size to 1024 frames for capture
00:51.23schme_What a coincidence, I'm in sweden.
00:51.29Sebguesses it's OK to have one those polls on new year's eve, once a year heh
00:51.37schme_!ot
00:51.37dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
00:51.38schme_;)
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00:52.29T_A_reeLong life to to French-German friendship. And to  French-American friendship too. And to French-earthian friendship too.
00:52.39enoufnsadmin: try a lower rate?
00:52.52enoufnsadmin: try some #alsa channels?
00:53.00enoufgoogle even
00:53.02nsadmindoing that now
00:53.12T_A_reeAnd long life to Linux Debian the most uncomprehensible system on the galaxy !
00:53.15nanonymeT_A_ree: And happy near year to you too.
00:53.26nanonymeNew year even.
00:53.48nsadminT_A_ree: you'll get used to it...
00:53.56T_A_ree(i meant un-understandable system)
00:54.26T_A_reeI doubt it.
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00:54.48nsadminT_A_ree: do you know the bash shell well?
00:55.12T_A_reeNo, i only know it does exist.
00:56.15T_A_reeIm a former Ubuntu user, but its too unstable on my pc so i moved to debian that works perfectly but i couldnt install VB...
00:56.31schme_Visual Basic?
00:56.36enouf...
00:56.46T_A_reeIm what you call a 'Newbie"
00:56.53schme_What on earth is VB? :)
00:57.03enouf!vbox
00:57.03dpkgwell, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/  VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch.  Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>.  #vbox on irc.freenode.net.
00:57.04T_A_reeVirtualBox, to run 'Paltalk'.
00:57.09schme_oh that.
00:57.23nsadminthen you have some learning to do before you can make a judgement on what's understandable
00:57.33nsadminessentially, you haven't made that effort
00:57.36tacocatT_A_ree: you say it's uncomprehensible.  Give it some time.  I've tried RedHat, Suse, Mandrake, Slackware, and Debian.  After two years of trials I landed back on Debian.
00:57.46T_A_reeYes but Vbox chan couldnt find any solution to my problem.
00:57.46tacocat!vbox
00:57.47dpkg[virtualbox] a virtual machine solution - http://www.virtualbox.org/  VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is available in Lenny or as a backport for Etch.  Ask me about <vbox-install lenny> or <vbox-install etch>.  #vbox on irc.freenode.net.
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00:58.06tacocatHow is this different from something like zen?
00:58.15T_A_reeI was there 2 hours ago.. Discouraged them it seems...
00:58.24nsadminisn't zen about motorcycle maintainance?
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00:58.30schme_hahaha.
00:58.35nanonymensadmin: Zen is about everything.
00:58.40enoufnsadmin: nah .. it's hinduism thing
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00:58.44tacocatha ha ha.  never did read that book but I'm sure it's somewhere
00:58.45mavhczen and the art of virtualisation would be a good book
00:58.54sarihi I am trying to remove a package but am getting errors help plz? http://pastebin.ca/1297422
00:58.54schme_tacocat: It's not half bad.
00:58.55T_A_reeSure Debian is best.
00:59.08nsadmintacocat: perhaps you mean xen :)
00:59.13enoufmavhc: throw in a mime and you have something there
00:59.29tacocatdoh!  yes xen.  Isn't vbox similar to xen?
00:59.38nanonymemavhc: And yeah, I'd want to read that book too.
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01:00.01snopihow can i set up debian to boot with x, but if i so choose(like single user-mode) to run without it
01:00.26enouf!nodm
01:00.26dpkgDebian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s)  with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored..  NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console
01:00.45lvhAnyone know a good issue tracker that plays well with git?
01:00.47Sebsari: how about "touch /boot/System.map-2.6.22-14-generic"
01:00.52enouf!tell snopi about xinitrc
01:00.57schme_tacocat: It is not totally unsimilar.
01:00.58enouf!tell snopi about xsession
01:01.19tacocatyou can set up one of the runlevels to be sans X -- but will it persist across upgrades?
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01:01.45snopiok but i want it to boot normaly on most occasions but i also want it to be able to boot to multi-user mode without x if i so choose
01:01.46enoufSeb: er .. -generic are ubuntu images ;-)
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01:02.10Sebenouf: I feel generous
01:02.17Sebenouf: for one day in the year, and only one :>
01:02.35nanonymeSeb: For the New Year? :)
01:02.35dustybinfor some reason, debian lenny php5 imagerotate() function isnt compiled into the binary package, that means i will need to re-compile it myself
01:02.36nsadminyou feel generic?
01:02.37tacocatOh...  I thought xen was a virtual server and assumed vbox to be similar.  What's the difference?  Or am I comparing Apache to xeyes?
01:02.43T_A_reeCould anyone possibly give me a command to get rid of any of VirtualBox file wandering on my system, including configuration file, kernel-linked files and so on ? Just to try restarting the installation neatly...Since it doesnt work presently.
01:02.51Sebnanonyme: I feel generally nice heh
01:03.01nanonymehugs Seb
01:03.07tacocatapt-get remove --purge vitualbox (or whatever vbox is called)
01:03.35Sebenouf: you find the US mirros slower than usual these days ?
01:03.43Sebenouf: ftp. and http.us. for instance ?
01:03.51Sebmirrors, even
01:04.25dustybinive download apt-get source libapache2-mod-php5
01:04.27snopitacocat: how do i setit up as a boot option? to not start x? (boot option as in grub option just like single user mode is an option)
01:04.28tacocatThat depends on the time of day.  3 years ago the fastest servers were all Eastern European (according to apt-spy) but that's changed.
01:05.06dustybinanybody know what this means in English: hilangkan kata “=share,/usr” pada “–with-gd”  ?
01:05.16abrotmanlibgd i'd guess
01:05.25tacocatYou have to define a runlevel to be non-X by using update-rc (?) to remove the x-session startups for that runlevel (maybe 4).
01:05.26abrotmantry to find a libgd -dev package
01:05.31dustybinaabrim following this guide
01:05.32dustybinhttp://iini.wordpress.com/2007/05/01/call-to-undefined-function-imagerotate-in/
01:05.36dustybinabrotman: ^^
01:05.42abrotman%
01:05.45T_A_reeShould i restart PC after having purged VirtualBox ?
01:05.50tacocatIf that's what you want by default then edit sysinit to change the default init to 4
01:05.57abrotmandustybin: i'm not going to read that if you can't
01:06.00enoufSeb: i forget even which ones i use, lmao
01:06.05Sebheh
01:06.17snopitacocat: i want x to run on default, but have the option to not run it
01:06.25dustybinabrotman: im stuck here, this is what it says:
01:06.25dustybin<PROTECTED>
01:06.26dustybinhilangkan kata “=share,/usr” pada “–with-gd”
01:06.29enoufSeb: i was hitting up my .nl brethern, and then i think i switched to some uni
01:06.32abrotmantry to find a libgd -dev package
01:06.35enouflike mit or something
01:06.51tacocatThen the sysinit and update-rc is the right place to go.
01:07.02T_A_ree(thank you for the purge command) tacotac.
01:07.32T_A_reeShould i restart PC after having purged VirtualBox tatotac ?
01:07.45tacocatIf you want to change it at any time then just run 'telinit 4' and it will reconfigure the system to runlevel 4 instead of (I assume) runlevel 5.  If you want to do serious maintenance go telinit 2 or telinit 1.
01:07.49snopitacocat: thank you, so how do i check what run level i am on? 3 or 4? so that i can edit the other
01:07.56tacocatwhen you are done, telinit 5
01:07.58schme_tacocat: Xen does paravirtualization, Virtualbox does virtualization. That's pretty much it.
01:08.08dustybinsed -i 's/-with-gd=share,\/usr/-with-gd/' debian/rules    <-- anybody know what this does?
01:08.29tacocatI'll have no guess what the difference is between virtualization and paravirtualization.
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01:09.20schme_tacocat: Ah ok. With Xen you run Xen, and on it you run guests OS. and these OS have to have been modified to use the Xen API instead of the normal API.   While virtualbox pretty much creates a virtual x86 machine that is like a normal one.
01:10.11T_A_reeDoes someone know if i can use Xen with an amd64 ?
01:10.22snopishould be able to
01:10.41schme_T_A_ree: yes, you can. But it seems a bad way to run linux + windows.
01:11.03T_A_reeWhat do you suggest ?
01:11.04schme_T_A_ree: If you have a modern CPU I'd recommend kvm :)
01:11.18schme_T_A_ree: Or just virtualbox or qemu.
01:11.19T_A_reeAmd 64, 2005.
01:11.40schme_T_A_ree: Also vmware is an option.
01:11.48snopitacocat: i dont need to do any maintenance, but since its a virtual machine sometimes i dont need the x, i just need to be able to use the multu-user from the internet and leave the vm running,
01:11.57T_A_reeIs Vmware free ?
01:12.06snopiT_A_ree: nope
01:12.08schme_T_A_ree: I think it is nowadays.
01:12.15snopithe player is
01:12.43T_A_reeCan amd64 support KVM ?
01:12.49schme_Yes.
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01:12.58schme_Sometimes.
01:13.27T_A_reeAny link to achieve the installation of KVM ?
01:13.46T_A_reemy amd64 is a 2005 (Venice)
01:13.59schme_I think aptitude install kvm is it. But you need to see if your CPU will work with it.
01:14.10schme_Other than that you could just run qemu, it should be able to run most windows me thinks.
01:14.23dustybinthis doesnt seem to work on debian lenny: http://digitalconsumption.com/forum/622-PHP-imagerotate-on-Debian
01:15.14schme_T_A_ree: egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo
01:15.15pierre_leT_A_ree,  you need amd-v to be enabled in bios, and the appropriate module
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01:15.40snopihow do i find out what the default runlevel is? or maybe just the one i am runnning in now?
01:16.01dustybin"This function is only available if PHP is compiled with the bundled version of the GD library."  <-- surely there must be a way to do this in lenny
01:16.12schme_snopi: man runlevel
01:16.24enoufa venice doesn't have VT
01:16.26pierre_lerunlevel
01:16.31T_A_ree" egrep '^flags.*(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo" doesnt return anything...
01:16.42schme_T_A_ree: Ok. No kvm for you then.
01:16.46snopiit returns N 2 so that means 2 right?
01:16.47T_A_reeIt probable.
01:16.50enoufwell .. with QEMU yes
01:16.54nsadmindustybin: you could rebuild the module
01:17.08tacocatman runlevel
01:17.08enoufsnopi: yes
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01:17.52dustybinnsadmin: i been trying to do that for the last 8 hours
01:17.54enoufthat's typical from boot snopi - however if you telinit 1, then back to 2 you see 'S 2' but rcS.d scripts didn't rerun, it just means single-mode
01:17.55pierre_leqemu works with any cpu but doesnt support acceleration
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01:18.21abrotmankqemu ?
01:18.24enouf!kqemu
01:18.24dpkgwell, kqemu is aptitude install kqemu-common kqemu-modules-$(uname -r);
01:18.37abrotmandpkg: sometimes, you're not much help
01:18.37dpkgno idea, abrotman
01:18.56nsadmindpkg, confuse abrotman
01:18.56dpkgNo, what was their mushroom today, abrotman? shirts of the republic of belarus with extra cream
01:18.59T_A_reeWhat makes the difference between qemu & kqemu ?
01:19.01schme_T_A_ree: Does the windows license even allow you to run it on a virtual machine?
01:19.06enouf!info kqemu-common
01:19.12dustybinhere is the offical debian bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321237
01:19.24dpkgkqemu-common: (Common files for the QEMU Accelerator module), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.4.0~pre1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 84 kB
01:19.39T_A_reeI dont really care about MS licence...
01:19.52pobegaHow can you tell what day you originally installed Debian? is there a file with the date in it?
01:20.04enoufdustybin: for english output, could you not prefix your command with LANG=C ?
01:20.17enoufor even export it in your shell you're working in?
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01:20.22abrotman!kqemu
01:20.23dpkgThe QEMU Accelerator Module increases the speed of QEMU when a PC is emulated on a PC. On lenny aptitude install kqemu-common kqemu-modules-$(uname -r), or get the kqemu-source for your CPU if not found
01:20.25abrotmana little better
01:20.51enoufpobega: check /var/log/install*
01:20.51nanonymeschme_: Better leave those things to lawyers.
01:21.15nsadminis it ImageRotate() that you want?
01:21.21schme_nanonyme: :)  I assume that the GPLv4 will forbid it anyway ;)
01:21.22pobegaenouf: Do you mean /var/log/installer?
01:21.27enoufpobega: look for a syslog or similar, just read the date/timestamp on the file ;-) or browse it
01:21.31enoufpobega: sure ..
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01:21.43pobegaOh, okay, there is a Syslog file. Thanks.
01:21.53enoufpobega: not /va/log/syslog
01:21.57snopienouf: so how can i make x not run on run level 3? using update-rc.d?
01:22.01pobegaAugust 1st -- Was just wondering what day I bought this laptop
01:22.04enoufpobega: er  not /var/log/syslog
01:22.10pobegaenouf: Aye, I know, /var/log/installer/syslog
01:22.25nanonymeschme_: I don't believe GPL says anything about code that's run inside a virtual machine written with GPL. Prove me wrong. :)
01:22.36enoufsnopi: sure, you can customize 3 4 5 to your likings, and boot into those instead
01:22.43schme_nanonyme: No, it does not. I said I assume it will in v4
01:22.55nanonymeschme_: It would be insane if it did in v4.
01:23.02schme_Of course.
01:23.06snopienouf: well i mean how? i know i can i just dont knwo how to use update-rc.d and the man page didnt help much
01:23.24schme_I'll just avoid doing a GPL rant.  I would not be surprised though ;)
01:23.32nanonymeschme_: It'd make eg GCC unusable.
01:23.44enouf!tell snopi about update-rc.d
01:24.02nanonymeSo I don't believe that's the case with GPL v4 unless proved otherwise.
01:24.03nsadmindustybin, what func do you want from gd?
01:24.08schme_nanonyme: Why?
01:24.42nanonymeschme_: Well, not all code compiled with GCC is GPL either...
01:24.50schme_nanonyme: Of course not.
01:25.05schme_nanonyme: Even GCC is distributed under another license than GPL.
01:25.10nanonymeHmm.
01:25.29dustybinnsadmin: http://uk3.php.net/imagerotate
01:25.35schme_I would, of course, not be surprised if it was decided to stop that and GPLv4 had crazy madness.
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01:26.01enoufsnopi: the URLs in the /msg dpkg rcconf factoid tell some more about the init startup scripts and such - /msg dpkg init as well
01:26.03nsadmindustybin: ok, is ImageRotate() in the external gd lib?
01:26.06snopienouf: that and the man page dont give me great confidence in removing x from starting on any run level, the man pages seems to imply that it will be removed for all the run level
01:26.17nanonymeschme_: "GCC 4.2.1 was the last release of GCC covered by version 2 of the GNU General Public License. All subsequent releases are released under GPL version 3."
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01:26.17enoufsnopi: well, forget the <init> factid
01:26.22enouffactoid
01:26.32schme_nanonyme: Yes. Also it is release under the LGPL.
01:26.39schme_s/se /sed /
01:26.45enoufsnopi: no, you can do it selectively, also man invoke-rc.d
01:27.04nanonymeYou can't release GCC under LGPL really afaik if GCC is GPL.
01:27.18dustybinnsadmin: "This function is only available if PHP is compiled with the bundled version of the GD library."
01:27.25enoufsnopi: each of /etc/rc{0,1,2,3,4,5,6}.d/ have symlinks - all pointing to /etc/init.d/
01:27.29schme_nanonyme: Of course you can. There is nothing that prohibits you from releasing something under several licenses.
01:27.31nsadminI understand
01:27.43nsadminbut is that function in the lib?
01:27.58nanonymeschme_: Doesn't GPL do that?
01:28.01schme_nanonyme: Not that it matters. I'm just saying that when we hit GPLv4 I would not be surprised if it says "You can't run non-free software on this"
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01:28.06schme_nanonyme: No, it does not.
01:28.08dustybinnsadmin: its missing from debian lenny binary packages
01:28.23nanonymeschme_: Afaik GPL'ing code means that all code that uses it has to also be GPL.
01:28.45schme_nanonyme: Yes, that is so. But as the creator of the code I can also release the same code under any other license I wish.
01:28.54dustybinnsadmin: this howto was designed for etch i think, doesnt seem to work on lenny: http://digitalconsumption.com/forum/622-PHP-imagerotate-on-Debian
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01:29.11snopienouf: so if i do update-rc.d gdm remove 3 it should do the trick?
01:29.13nsadminyer avoiding the question I'm asking :)
01:29.47schme_nanonyme: Say I write a kernel driver for my foo-device.  I'd be fucked in the arse by GPL if I could not also release it under another license to make it available for say netbsd.
01:30.14nsadminI'm wondering if the function is in the gd lib, we already know it's not in the php5 gd binding
01:30.50nanonymeschme_: Well, true.
01:31.02enoufsnopi: sounds good - don't use 03 or it'll think you mean S03 or K03
01:31.44enoufsnopi: find the link, ls -l /etc/rc3.d/gdm ; run the command ; ls -l again
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01:32.22snopienouf: ok so i ran it with -n so as to just show me what its doing and it tried to remove it from all of them
01:32.27enoufsnopi: er .. it'll likely be /etc/rc3.d/SNNgdm
01:32.49schme_nanonyme: One could look at firefox, for example, it is licensed under MPL, GPL and LGPL.
01:33.04schme_But nevermind :)
01:33.11schme_License issues piss me off ;)
01:33.26nanonymeschme_: Erm, why wasn't Firefox GPL version fine with Debian then?
01:34.12nanonymeFirefox being released fully under GPL should be enough reason for Iceweasel not to exist afaik.
01:35.01schme_nanonyme: For the code ya. But "firefox" is a trademark, and mozilla argued that debians patches fucked it up and they didn't want to associate with people getting bad experiences.
01:35.06schme_nanonyme: from their trademark I mean.
01:35.18nanonymeschme_: It's the logos that made the difference from what I've heard.
01:35.24schme_oh ya.
01:35.26nanonymeThat is, the logos weren't GPL.
01:35.30schme_debian doesn't believe the logols are free.
01:35.32schme_logos
01:35.33enoufsnopi: welp, i don't usually use it, so i'm trying to find the correct syntax for ya - but if you can't, try "/msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf" - it's a curses interface to all the various symlinks
01:35.34abrotmannanonyme: not entirely true
01:35.43schme_and mozilla says you can't call it firefox without the logo.
01:35.46enoufjudd: versions sysv-rc
01:35.46juddenouf: sysv-rc -- etch: 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 etch-backports: 2.86.ds1-47~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.86.ds1-61 sid: 2.86.ds1-61
01:35.50enoufjudd: versions sysv-rc-conf
01:35.51juddenouf: sysv-rc-conf -- etch: 0.99-5 lenny: 0.99-6 sid: 0.99-6
01:36.02jamonschme_:
01:36.03jamonhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622
01:36.09nanonymeabrotman: Maybe. I've never seen a pedantic explanation of the case.
01:36.19abrotman!tell nanonyme about why iceweasel
01:36.33abrotmanlogos + security issues
01:36.35schme_jamon: Well that's what I said. The name is trademarked :)
01:36.42jamon:)
01:37.07schme_Either way it keeps crashing too often.
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01:37.49nanonymeabrotman: If the logos were GPL, they shouldn't have been a reason for the name as far as I understand GPL. The security issues might have been.
01:38.11jamonnanonyme: that link i posted for schme_, that should have been for you, have a read there
01:38.22enoufsnopi: what is the gdm SNN and KNN in the various 0,1,6 and 2,3,4,5 runlevels?
01:38.51schme_I seem to remember some GPL'd code popping up in the openbsd source repo some time back.   That was quickly relicensed under a BSD license IIRC.  so effictively the same code dual-licensed under GPL and BSD.
01:39.07snopii used the sysv-rc-conf thing to remove gdm from runlevel 3 and it worked but i need to add the Kill gdm to run level 3
01:39.10nanonymejamon: Would that not imply that not all of Firefox is GPL if the logo requires a permission? :P
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01:39.35enoufhrm
01:39.42schme_I'm not sure GPL is even applicable to a graphic thing like an xpm.
01:39.44schme_;)
01:39.53schme_I mean it only makes sense for C code :)
01:40.04nsadminwhat's gpl vers 4 trying to accomplish?
01:40.13enoufupdate-rc.d gdm stop 20 3 .
01:40.16enouf?
01:40.23enoufuse -n again
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01:40.39schme_nsadmin: I don't think there is one. I'm just saying that when we get to it I would not be surprised if it said you couldn't run windows on virtualbox on linux :)
01:40.40jamonnsadmin: dunno, try #gnu
01:40.53enoufit's important you know the SNN and KNN , which you're not telling us
01:40.59enoufi don't use gdm
01:41.18snopienouf: update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?)
01:41.30nanonymejamon: That is, I'm mostly arguing against schme_ claiming Firefox is GPL. I suspect that's not completely the case since imo Firefox encompasses the logos and the name too.
01:41.36snopiS30gdm
01:41.42enouf~$ find /etc/rc?.d/ -name '*gdm'
01:41.54nsadminsnopi: (did you forget "." ?)
01:41.56schme_nanonyme: GPL applies to the code.   "firefox" is trademarked. It's different things ;)
01:42.21enoufsnopi: that's start (SNN) - you said you needed a KNN .. look in 0,1,6
01:42.26nanonymeschme_: Then you can say Firefox source code is GPL. The whole project is not.
01:42.34snopi/etc/rc0.d/K01gdm /etc/rc1.d/K01gdm /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm /etc/rc3.d/S30gdm /etc/rc4.d/S30gdm /etc/rc5.d/S30gdm /etc/rc6.d/K01gdm
01:42.52schme_nanonyme: Of course. But speaking about GPL is only relevant for source code anyway, so I thought it was kinda implied :)
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01:43.21nanonymeHrm.
01:43.40schme_nanonyme: The code is also available under the MPL or LGPL though.
01:44.05enoufsnopi: seems like we need to tell it all the symlinks behaviour in one shit - one sec
01:44.47snopienouf: thank you so much for working so hard to help me
01:45.13enoufupdate-rc.d gdm start 30 2 4 5 . stop 01 0 1 3 6 .
01:45.19enoufuse -n perhaps
01:45.49enoufer one shot, (not shit :-P)
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01:46.51nanonymeschme_: Now that I'm actually reading GPL, it seems mostly chaotic and has seems to depend so much on country's copyright legistlation that I dunno how much it actually denies.
01:46.52enoufsnopi: now i hope whatever sysv-rc-conf has done doesn't interfere, or hasn't removed/moved anything
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01:47.05enoufyou should just be able to have used that
01:47.13schme_nanonyme: Oh yes. It is a weird read :)
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01:48.00schme_nanonyme: A funny thing is that the license itself is not under the GPL ;)
01:48.02snopii undid what sysv-rc-conf did
01:48.03enoufok guys - a bid you adieu(sp) for awhile ;-)
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01:49.27Guerinsnopi: if you understood anything about the GPL, or any other license,, you'd realise why that was so.
01:49.32Guerinerr
01:49.38Guerinschme_: if you understood anything about the GPL, or any other license,, you'd realise why that was so.
01:49.44schme_Guerin: It was a joke.
01:49.58amphinanonyme: copyright law does not vary much, thanks to the Berne Convention, I believe
01:50.05schme_Guerin: If you understood anything about humor.. you'd realise it was so.
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01:50.31Guerinschme_: fair enough. But I all-too-frequently see people saying such things in all seriosity.
01:50.44schme_I was under the impression that the US pretty much ignored the berne convention?
01:50.50schme_Guerin: Oh that's hillarious :)
01:51.26schme_Main difference I seem to see in the world of copyright is that you US people can actually put stuff in the public domain by just going "hey this is PD" :)
01:51.37amphischme_: I think you must accept it (amongst other things) to be a WTO member
01:52.15Guerinyeah, more or less
01:52.24schme_"must" is a funny concept in world politics ;)
01:52.36Guerinschme_: must ... in order to
01:52.39dustybini think ive sussed out the imagerotate problem, i edited debian/rules and replaced '--with-gd=shared,/usr' with '--with-gd'
01:52.50dustybinnow its re-compiling :)
01:53.07amphischme_: sure ;) the small must, the large may if they feel like it
01:53.15schme_Hehehe.
01:53.23abrotmandustybin: did you look at imagemagick stuff ?
01:53.40dustybinabrotman: nope, its a gd problem, i require it for zenphoto php gallery software
01:53.51dustybinthey have a new auto rotate image option
01:54.08dustybinbut at the moment that option is greyed out because i didnt have the imagerotate() gd function
01:54.10abrotmansounds crappy
01:54.35Guerinadopting US-like IP laws has always been the endgame of a carrot-and-stick approach which has worked pretty well
01:54.52schme_Horray for the IP.
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01:55.07abrotmanhurray .. and #debian-offtopic :)
01:55.17schme_btw you guys have not paid the IRC-protocol-usage license fee to me yet. I patented the protocol ;)
01:55.21schme_good point there.
01:55.23schme_!ot
01:55.24dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
01:55.27schme_bad schme
01:55.33schme_shuts up now.
01:56.06dustybinwill 2009 be a good year for debian / linux ?
01:56.16abrotmanreally .. seriously?
01:56.33dustybinaye
01:56.49pingouina good one, lenny surely out in stable ;)
01:57.02pingouinon january 3 i guess
01:57.04dustybini predict lenny will be out in 1-2 months
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01:57.48dustybini started with sarge, then etch, and now lenny :)
01:58.00Gueringoddamnit, my m,onitor is ghosting like wicked
01:58.16Guerindamn you, ferrite filters, you are worthless!
01:58.22dustybinhow long does it take before one can start using testing once lenny is stable?
01:58.32Guerindustybin: couple hours
01:58.44dustybinGuerin: yep but its not usable at first is it?
01:58.53Guerindustybin: depends on your definition of `usable'
01:58.57pingouinat your own risks ;)
01:59.04Guerinit can be a pretty wild ride for a week or three
01:59.16Guerinand with gnome and kde going in ... heh.
01:59.24pingouinhéhé
01:59.27dustybinright ok, ill give it 8-12 months before i start using testing again
01:59.54craigevilall the more reason to use something like fluxbox/openbox :)
02:00.02pingouinor ion3
02:00.15Guerinevilwm!
02:00.20schme_xmonad, bitches.
02:00.26Guerinis almost tempted to install kde4 from experimental to see how broken it is
02:00.49pingouinyeah but awesome3 still not in etch, not sure it'll be in lenny :/
02:00.50craigevilgrab it from http://kde42.debian.net/
02:00.54pingouinstill 2.x
02:01.08dustybinalways remember folks, debian/rules :P
02:01.09craigevil<PROTECTED>
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02:02.52dustybinim hoping to leave my server on all year without rebooting
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02:02.56dustybinHostname: private - OS: Linux 2.6.26-1-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.023 MHz) - Processes: 188 - Uptime: 1d 12h 3m - Load Average: 2.16 - Memory Usage: 292.46MB/1011.42MB (28.92%) - Disk Usage: 458.23GB/1024.45GB (44.73%)
02:03.31Guerindustybin: sounds like you need an ambition transfusion
02:03.37dustybin:(
02:03.43Tr0gd0rpower outages :(
02:03.48dustybinUPS ftw
02:04.05dustybinBus 002 Device 002: ID 051d:0002 American Power Conversion Uninterruptible Power Supply
02:04.16Tr0gd0rhow many hours?
02:04.22Tr0gd0rmine is 15 mins
02:04.22Tr0gd0rlol
02:04.26dustybinnot long, about 30mins
02:04.37nanonymeYou'd probably want a generator if you wanted hours.
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02:05.02dustybinwell, hopefully we wont have any serious power outages, if it happens, tough luck to my uptime
02:05.28schme_Why the uptime craze?
02:05.29Tr0gd0rdustybin is that hyperthreading, or actually 2 cpus?
02:05.39dustybinhyperthreading
02:05.48Guerinschme_: why do people attach blue flashing lights to their cars?
02:06.03nanonymeschme_: If you're a commercial host, you want to keep downtimes at absolute minimum.
02:06.05schme_Guerin: I have never actually seen that IRL so I don't believe it for a second :)
02:06.12Guerin(other than to attract mates of a certain ... type)
02:06.16schme_nanonyme: Well of course.  But "Hostname: private" ;)
02:06.21nanonymeHeh.
02:06.29nanonymeThen your question is justified.
02:06.47schme_I'll go ask my woman here to see if she gets attracted by my uptime.
02:06.47schme_hmm.
02:06.53schme_Wow that sounded bad.
02:06.58pingouin:)
02:07.02dustybini also have a old PIII 733 box acting as a firewall: FreeBSD pfsense.firewall.xxxxxxxxx.net 6.2-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p11 #0: Sun Feb 24 16:32:58 EST 2008     sullrich@builder6.pfsense.com:/usr/obj.pfSense/usr/src/sys/pfSense.6  i386    ..also going to try and keep the uptime on that :)
02:07.08dustybinanyway back to debian
02:07.29nanonymeschme_: Go ask her if she likes hearing your nerdy talk? :)
02:07.37schme_nanonyme: She doesn't.
02:07.41nanonymeExactly.
02:07.43schme_nanonyme: That's why I talk to you guys ;)
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02:07.56schme_Though I doubt she'd be very happy about blue lights on a car.
02:07.57schme_hrmm.
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02:10.10bsmntbombdood"NOTE:  Bash, as packaged for Debian, does not support using the /dev/tcp and /dev/udp files."
02:10.14bsmntbombdoodfrom bash(1)
02:10.16bsmntbombdoodwhy is that?
02:11.10schme_good q
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02:13.05nanonymebimoseptyop: Can't you just do the same thing with eg netcat?
02:14.20Mardeni:n
02:14.31Mardenicool
02:15.33MardeniWhat irc net am I now?
02:15.50\amethystMardeni:  freenode
02:16.19MardeniI thought this was almost empty while a ago was I mistaken?
02:16.38\amethystbimoseptyop:  it's mentioned in /usr/share/doc/bash/README.Debian.gz
02:16.40schme_bimoseptyop: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/07/msg00204.html
02:16.42MardeniI am too many network :D
02:16.59\amethystbimoseptyop:  "It can produce completely unexpected results. This kind of feature should not be part of a shell but a special tool."
02:17.07Mardeniok
02:17.38nanonymeI still think netcat would be a nice alternative.
02:17.45dustybindebian has its very own irc server! i wonder what thats like
02:17.54Mardeniaah I mistaken it was #debian that was empty, only me in it
02:18.05nanonymedustybin: Probably very empty.
02:18.29dustybinnanonyme: maybe more developers hang out there
02:18.32\amethystand with process substitution (  <( nc )  and >( nc ) )  there's not reason not to use netcat
02:18.41\amethysts/not reason/no reason/
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02:19.01nanonymedustybin: I doubt it. You can check though if you like.
02:19.11dustybinnah this is enough for me
02:19.27MardeniI am here, because the things that You talk here interest me :)
02:19.37dustybinaye up
02:19.47MardeniI have Use Debian since I think 1995
02:20.16MardeniBut just use, just learning still =)
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02:21.07dustybinbefore lenny is released, will there need to be a new name for the upcoming testing?
02:21.25MardeniI have tutor my brother, he suggest that I should use Linux and Debian
02:21.26nsadminnot sure if before.
02:22.28MardeniI think It is useful to use testing, I could not do almoust nothing, until I update to testing :/
02:23.11craigeviljust use testing in your sources.list rather than "lenny"
02:23.17nsadminMardeni: why?
02:23.47nanonymecraigevil: Does stable work there too, btw?
02:23.59nsadminI'm running etch... and it's just fine
02:25.01craigevilstable will always track stable, testing testing,
02:25.53craigevilso if your using etch and want to stay with stable use "stable" rather than etch, but you will have to upgrade to lenny when it is released
02:26.37nanonymeYeah, I understood that from the previous comment.
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02:29.20dustybinit works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the autorotate button now works!!!!!
02:29.45nsadmindustybin: how did you solve it?
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02:31.34dustybinnsadmin: i apt-get the php source, then i edited, debian/rules, and replaced '--with-gd=shared,/usr --enable-gd-native-ttf \' with '--with-gd --enable-gd-native-ttf \'
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02:33.02nsadminmake a diff and attach it to the bug report
02:33.49dustybinnsadmin: ive noticed there are security issues with imagerotate: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/33002
02:33.52dustybinmaybe its off for a reason
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02:53.17VoochChecking to see if anyone knows where Debian keeps it's iptables config.   RedHat/Fedora/CentOS uses /etc/sysconfig/iptables, but I'm not sure of the location for the Debian equivalent.  Anyone?
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02:53.59nsadminVooch: does there exist /etc/init.d/iptables?
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02:54.33nsadmindo you have debian installed?
02:54.43Voochyes, i'm using Debian lenny
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02:55.17Voochthe file /etc/init.d/iptables does not exist
02:55.32Voochis that where i put it?
02:56.33\amethyst/etc/init.d/iptables was removed pre-etch.  There is not any default location for saved iptables state
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02:59.19Voochhmmm...  if there isn't a default location, is there a location where i can set a default location?
02:59.58schme_Just put it anywhere and add something to load it up on boot?
03:00.04\amethystVooch:  http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/615
03:00.05VoochOne of my Debian friends recommended awhile back that I use Shorewall, but I guess that's why.
03:00.11\amethystVooch:  that's one way to do it
03:00.30Voochtx amethyst...i'll check it out.
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03:01.24VoochDebian is my favorite O/S now.  I just wish I knew more about it than RedHat/Fedora/CentOS...hehehe
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03:02.44PolarinaVooch: Don't try Gentoo or you'll change your mind.
03:02.51mazza[W]umm i have a big problem
03:03.04mazza[W]i rebooted and can no longer login
03:03.08schme_Polarina: Changing ones mind to prefer gentoo over debian?
03:03.22schme_mazza[W]: Not as root or anything?
03:03.27Polarinaschme_: Just handing out warnings.
03:03.28mazza[W]pam can't get authentication info
03:03.41schme_Polarina: It doesn't seem applicable. gentoo is not so nice :)
03:03.48shivamibhappy new year, uber geeks
03:03.57schme_mazza[W]: Maybe you need to boot with a cd or so and fix yer system up :)
03:04.53mazza[W]interestingly
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03:05.28mazza[W]ssh with ppk auth
03:05.32mazza[W]works fine
03:05.54mazza[W]it's just all forms of password auth fail
03:06.04VoochPolarina, the only time I tried gentoo is when i first tried Debian, and I couldn't get either to work.  When Debian etch came out, I finally got it to work...not sure where gentoo is since then.
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03:06.42shivamib1:00 at GMT-3 reporting that so far this year looks quite like last year, except people are more drunk and there are fireworks
03:06.53\amethystmazza[W]:  do you have anything special like NIS and LDAP?  or is it just plain passwd and shadow?
03:07.09mazza[W]i do have kerberos
03:07.25\amethystwhat changed recently?
03:07.39\amethystcan other machines authenticate off the same server?
03:07.47mazza[W]but have disabled it temporarily
03:07.51\amethysthm
03:07.57shivamibwell i've noticed that my calendar now displays 2009, that's about it
03:08.47mazza[W]nothings changed
03:08.55\amethystmazza[W]:  what do /etc/pam.d/common-auth and common-account look like?
03:09.04mazza[W]this has only occured after a reboot
03:09.09\amethystmazza[W]:  also, /etc/nsswitch.conf
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03:10.07mazza[W]ah ha
03:10.43mazza[W]how much is nsswitch used?
03:11.00mazza[W]i recently removed winbind
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03:11.16mazza[W]which still has entries in nsswitcj
03:11.16mazza[W]h
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03:14.27lwizardlhi
03:14.42lwizardldoes anyone know how to setup 90 degree screen rotation on ATI video cards? I have an ATI 9200
03:15.07Gun_Smokecan't you just do that with I think xset
03:15.44shivamibyes. does anyone sober? well...
03:16.43lwizardlGun_Smoke, was that to me?
03:16.52Gun_Smokelwizardl: yes sorry.
03:17.03lwizardlok then whats xset?
03:17.39nsadmincheck out man xser
03:17.42nsadminxset
03:18.01Gun_SmokeI was just reading about the moko phone and it uses it a lot
03:18.09Gun_Smokerotating it's screen I belive
03:18.09nsadminthat will explain what it is and how to use it
03:18.30shivamiboh i want one of those
03:19.03shivamibeven if it doesnt work, who cares, give me the roots
03:20.45karstenGun_Smoke: xrandr
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03:20.56Gun_SmokeYEah! that's it.. karsten
03:21.07karstenGun_Smoke: ... not sure if that particular gpu is supported, but that's what you'd use.
03:21.11karstenGun_Smoke: :)
03:21.16Gun_Smokegood call.
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03:22.10Gun_Smokefriend just wrote a script implementing the matchbox keyboard for hackable1 and I remember reading that..
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03:22.59wodenAnyone here use fbpanel?
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03:24.56karsten!tell woden about polls
03:25.02karstenwoden: Ask your question.
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03:25.46TheUnderTakerHow often is a new debian released?
03:26.02wodenWell, I have openbox and fbpanel, but the icon picture shows a red X instead of the actual image.  I have the config file setup right, so what could the problem be?  Here is a screenshot:  http://filebin.ca/hswvj/fbpanel.png
03:26.14ameyerwonders if he should give a joke answer to TheUnderTaker
03:26.24TheUnderTakertell me
03:26.27ameyerseriously, though, "when it's ready"
03:26.49TheUnderTakerWHEN IS DEBIAN 5 GETTING RELEASED ITS A SIMPLE DAM ANSWER
03:26.58nsadminTheUnderTaker yeah, basically when people feel it's ready, it goes thru a freeze/testing phase
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03:27.13mazza[W]\amethyst: umm i just removed krb5 from all the pam rules
03:27.23mazza[W]so it's jut pam_unix
03:27.32shivamibTheUnderTaker: you need more booze
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03:27.39TheUnderTaker!lenny
03:27.39dpkgi guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing.  To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>.  Lenny is the binoculars.  Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>).  A <moving target>.  See also <testing> and <lenny status>.
03:27.54TheUnderTaker!ext4
03:27.54dpkgext4 is, like, a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support.  Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1.
03:27.59mazza[W]and now, even on a tty, typing 'root' says login incorrect
03:28.06TheUnderTaker!btrfs
03:28.06dpkgbtrfs is, like, a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use.
03:28.08mazza[W]doesn't even ask for pass
03:28.10nsadminTheUnderTaker: what did we just tell you?? it will be released when it's ready.
03:28.18TheUnderTakerok
03:28.20TheUnderTaker!ntfs
03:28.20dpkgi heard ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem.  There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too.  For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>.  For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>.  See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html
03:28.29TheUnderTaker!ipod
03:28.29dpkgipod is probably a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger than a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux.
03:28.32Gun_Smokefuck dude..
03:28.34rjentTheUnderTaker: just install the rc now and get the updates, it is very close.
03:28.39TheUnderTakersweet
03:29.02nsadminplease message the bot
03:29.10nsadminjust like it says in the topic
03:29.10rjentvery close means when it is ready it will be ready.
03:29.32nsadminhaving said all that... you can try it now
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03:29.38rjentwhen you get the rc and daily updates you are on the watch for official release
03:30.34nsadminTheUnderTaker: it's not being held from you... you can download and install it as it is so far
03:30.45ameyerat least it hasn't been 3 years since Etch was released...
03:31.49ameyerlike it was between "woody" and "sarge"
03:34.09Guerin!sing lenny
03:34.09dpkgAny day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed...
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03:34.39mazza[W]pam_unix(login:auth): auth could not identify password for [root]
03:34.42mazza[W]:/
03:34.44nsadmin!sing benny and the jets
03:34.53schme_hey that's bob dylan.
03:35.06Guerin!captain obvious schme_
03:35.07dpkggives schme_ the rank of captain obvious for stating the obvious in such an exciting manner
03:35.18shivamiblol
03:35.21schme_Guerin: It's on the radio right now!
03:35.39schme_Also most people have not heard of this dylan guy, so I thought I'd let 'em know :)
03:35.39bdunlapHello, I'm wondering where I can find basic documentation about Lenny. I want to know about changes from the stable version.
03:36.22nsadmindylan was a major poet/songwriter of the 60s and 70s
03:36.32Supaplexbdunlap: start with the release notes
03:36.33ZambeziWhere in ~/.bashrc can I change so rxvt-unicode is default terminal instead of gnome-terminal? I'm trying to learn Ratpoison, but what to do it in a proper terminal.
03:36.34shivamibwow
03:36.41Guerinnsadmin: and the 80s, the 90s, and oughties
03:36.45shivamibwhoosh
03:36.51nsadmintrue, he's still goin
03:37.02Guerinbdunlap: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/
03:37.03bdunlapSupaplex: I havent found them. I'm looking on the site but havent found the release notes. ill keep looking.
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03:37.13bdunlapooh thanks Guerin
03:37.25Guerinnsadmin: saw him last year, he's still got it
03:37.36\amethystmazza[W]:  did you fix up nsswitch?  it's used heavily by pam_unix
03:37.40bdunlapi'd use stable but i need a newer kernel
03:37.47Guerinbdunlap: try etchnhalf
03:37.54\amethystmazza[W]:  anything that deals with passwd or shadow entries should be going through nsswitch
03:37.55Guerinbdunlap: (ask dpkg about it)
03:37.56TheUnderTaker!ubuntu
03:37.56dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
03:37.58bdunlapI'm not familliar with that.
03:38.08ameyerGuerin: maybe the 60s and (what the hell do we call the decade starting in 2000)a.  He was too coked up to do anything relevant between about 1967 and 2007.
03:38.24bdunlapi currently use ubuntu but prefer regular ole debian :)
03:39.07bdunlapi have a newer laptop and audio and video arent supported with the 2.4 series kernel
03:39.15bdunlapthat  - and wifi
03:39.33bdunlapok just burned the dvd bbs
03:39.46Guerinameyer: i'd concede you between 80 and 97, but you can't just say that about Desire, Blood on the Tracks and Street Legal
03:40.16Guerinbabuun: eh
03:40.24Guerinbabuun: debian stable has 2.6 kernels since ages
03:40.37Guerinfails
03:41.12shivamibbob dylan is a junkie jedi
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03:43.03babuun?
03:43.13Guerinbabuun: ignore me, I'm stupid.
03:43.20babuunlmao
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03:45.01shivamibGuerin: keep up on the booze. we're with you!
03:45.08ameyeralthough coked up might not be the right word.  look at what rick james and lawrence taylor did while high on crack.
03:45.35Guerinshivamib: if only it were thus.
03:45.53Guerinameyer: drove a whole lot more people to do likewise?
03:46.47shivamibGuerin: you fail badly
03:47.27Guerinshivamib: when I do fail, I usually do so badly.
03:48.00Supaplexnice talent
03:50.14MardeniIs there a live Debian CD/DVD version I know Ubuntu is available
03:50.25shivamibyes, at least it has a certain glamour to it.
03:50.34Mardenicool
03:50.39\amethystMardeni:   http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
03:50.49Gun_SmokeI didn't have any luck with the liveCD when I gave it a go couple months back.
03:50.52MardeniThe Ubuntu version was quite nice though
03:51.01\amethystthough it's not an installer
03:51.11Mardeni\amethyst thanx
03:51.12liable!live
03:51.12dpkgi guess live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/
03:52.17Mardeni=)
03:52.25\amethysthas the webhelper changed URLs, or is it gone?
03:53.22Supaplex\amethyst: ask #debian-live oftc.net
03:54.17\amethystmaybe enouf can do it
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03:54.47mazza[W]*screams*
03:54.54mazza[W]pam_unix(login:auth): auth could not identify password for [root]
03:55.00MardeniWell, I had long project to build this comp, I started this project at July, now its almost final, only some software things to do, and had to byu backup things
03:55.14craigevil\amethyst: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_live_beta2/i386/iso-cd/
03:56.00\amethystcraigevil:  I know where to find the CDs.  I was asking because the factoid references a URL that gives a 404
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03:57.03MardeniSo I was depend on Live Linux first at Suse-32bit, but when I upgrade Ram I need 64-bit system, so I choose Ubuntu live, and finally at last I got 1,5GB hard drive 3 veeks ago
03:57.03\amethystI should point out that that || exit 1  will almost never trigger
03:57.04\amethystdoh
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04:11.20mazzanet\amethyst: solved!
04:11.38mazzanettry_first_pass was the killer
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04:14.39yitz_How can I modify the resolution used by the Greeter?
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05:00.22mcrHappy New Year
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05:01.04yitz_Yes. You too
05:01.51MardeniLast week I got great bines ideas, and its not only bisnes, it would benefit the less lucky peeople too
05:01.55Mardeni..
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05:02.29shivamibyou mean people like me?
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05:21.40Mardenifeel bad
05:21.55Mardenilast year find out so many lies
05:21.58Mardeni..
05:25.21stonedhappy new year!
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05:25.30stonedit is time
05:25.36stonedto party liek its 1999
05:25.45firebird619stoned: Happy New Year.
05:26.29MardeniWe found late milleniumm bugs just =)
05:26.41stonedcool
05:26.46Mardenijep
05:26.58stonedI just started my own web design/devel seo/marketing company
05:27.09stonedI just did two projects and got 1, new year is good tome too
05:27.23stonedits going pretty alright
05:27.36MardeniI just design my new profitable web bisnes :P
05:27.46stonedlets talk in #debian-chat
05:27.56stonedbefore we get yelled at for offtopicness
05:28.43dihymowhat's the url for your bizs
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05:45.00suphi
05:45.24supim using the windows debian installer, if i know how to use ubuntu should i be fine with debian?
05:45.54shivamibtheoretically
05:46.15liableguess he was in a hurry..
05:47.22stonedhm hehe
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05:49.47eflynnhappy new year
05:50.35schme_eflynn: Happy new year.
05:51.08karstenAnyone else noticed the leap-seconds?
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05:52.38eflynnnot really
05:52.44eflynnbut cool nonetheless
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05:55.27karstenWatch for it at midnight in /var/log/messages
05:55.33liablei ate mine. hard to catch though
05:56.48kadathdon't have anything in /var/log/messages, using ntp though
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06:39.15chequershi all, how can I override the nameservers that DHCP gives me and use my own? I tried this line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf but it didn't seem to change anything: supersede domain-name-servers "127.0.0.1";
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06:39.40Gm4nchequers: for short term, you can edit /etc/resolv.conf
06:39.43dansushihey people, i just installed a live version of debian on my falsh drive. does anyone here know the default root password used on it? (i already tried user, guest, root, debian, and live)
06:40.09schme_What on earth is a live version?
06:40.13chequersGm4n: I know, I'm trying to work out how to make it stick :)
06:40.19Polizeidefault root password???
06:40.44Polizeidansushi, mount your usb, chroot to it and passwd teh root acct...
06:40.45schme_"secret" ;)
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06:41.39schme_dansushi: I googled around and I read this:  The user password for the live user is 'live'. By default, there is not any root password. You can switch to root with sudo -i or set a password for root with sudo passwd.
06:41.49schme_Now what on earth is a live version?
06:41.49Gm4nI've had problems with that same issue myself, then, chequers (in the other direction)
06:42.16Gm4nschme_: it's a CD (or usb drive or something else) that contains a bootable debian distro, that doesn't touch the HD: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ
06:42.33schme_Right ok.
06:43.02chequersGm4n: you mean you could get it sticking? how?
06:43.09eflynncan't sleep, lisp will eat me, can't sleep, lisp will eat me
06:43.10dansushiwhen i try do switch to root, it asks for a password, and also asks if i do sudo
06:43.22Guerineflynn: i recommend drinkin
06:43.24schme_dansushi: So did you try no password?
06:43.31Gm4nchequers: I acutally wanted to static the network settings, but take the DHCPed DNS servers (nothing else)
06:43.37dansushischme_: yes, i did
06:43.44eflynnGuerin, ah, good idea
06:43.49Gm4ndansushi, use `sudo su`
06:43.53Guerineflynn: happy to be of service
06:43.54Gm4nwith live as your own password
06:44.02dansushiGm4n: ..lol, ok, i'll try
06:44.38chequersah
06:44.47chequersdid you get it working?
06:44.53chequersthe same should apply to what I want to do
06:45.10dansushii got to boot it up again
06:45.12Gm4nI ended up cheating, and requesting a specific IP along with DHCP lease (since that's what I needed)
06:45.30chequersblah :P
06:45.34Gm4nyeah, exactly
06:45.59Gm4nit was on openwrt, and I wanted the interwebz, so I got something that kinda worked, and was happy
06:46.34Gm4ncan dhcpcd call a script after completion? you could do something icky and hackish with that....
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06:49.44chequersyes, it can, but that's icky and hackish :)
06:50.14chequersi'm sure it would cause hard to diagnose pain to have such a potential race condition
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06:51.17liable!fixresolvconf
06:51.17dpkgTo fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use resolvconf and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>.
06:52.06chequers!override dns
06:52.06dpkgTo instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your dhcp server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
06:52.54chequersoh.. maybe it was the double quotes
06:52.56liablechequers: if you tried the supercede command, i suggest you look at why it is failing to use the ones you supplied. config typo?
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06:54.17Guerindpkg, override dns =~ s/supersede/supercede/
06:54.18dpkgGuerin: OK
06:54.31Guerindarm illit'rates
06:55.32chequersaha! thanks liable, it was the " around the IP that caused the problem
06:55.51liablechequers: :)
06:57.22schme_Anyway. Who can tell me how I change the keybindings in iceweasel and icedove?
06:57.45chequershmm, how cna I see what values the DHCP server is sending?
06:58.00chequersI want to override the time-offset too, but I'm not sure of the syntax
06:58.03liablei used to hack one of the .jar files, but surely you can do most in about:config
06:58.08xsdgchequers: tcpdump
06:58.19schme_about:config is where in icedove?
06:58.42liablefucked if i know
06:58.51liableit does have one though i think
06:58.59schme_Hrmm..
06:59.10Guerinabout:config
06:59.12chequersxsdg: i'm hoping there's a dhclient arg
06:59.15schme_Guerin: ?
06:59.16liablevaguely recalls reading somewhere about doing something in icedove
06:59.27Guerinmeh, paste fail
06:59.58xsdgschme_: about:config is exactly where it should be...
07:00.02xsdgschme_: what do you mean?
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07:00.10schme_xsdg: How do I access it then?
07:00.11Guerinxsdg: where's that?
07:00.13liablewhere do you type it in icedove?
07:00.15xsdgchequers: `dhclient -h`
07:00.21xsdgerr... in the address bar
07:00.31schme_Ok. How do I find the address bar?
07:00.32liablewhat address bar?
07:00.37Guerinxsdg: since when does a mua have an address bar?
07:00.44xsdgoh, ice_dove_
07:00.47xsdgsorry :o)
07:00.47Guerin!pal xsdg
07:00.47dpkgpoints at xsdg and laughs hysterically
07:00.52chequersxsdg: I'm reading man dhclient actually, which seems nothing
07:01.02schme_they're both shitting me though.
07:01.11schme_I can't use the keyboard to get "up" to the menu bar.
07:01.14liablethere is somewhere though, i am slightly sure of it
07:01.19xsdgchequers: yeah, I thought I had seen something, but I'm probably misremembering from a different daemon
07:01.20schme_I need to map some key to "get me up there".
07:01.33Guerin... or you could just use a real mua
07:01.47schme_And what is not real about icedove?
07:02.05Guerinlack of proper keyboard support?
07:02.18schme_It's good enough. Just no way to get up to the menu bar.
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07:02.55schme_But sure, I'd rather be using gnus. I just have some issues with it locking up mah emacs.
07:03.16Guerini never got the hang of gnus
07:03.18schme_I'm all ears for decent alternatives though.
07:03.21schme_Ah it's lovely.
07:03.30Guerini love emacs plenty, but gnbus just never did let me set it up right
07:03.35Guerinmutt > *
07:03.37schme_Just locks up the emacs while doing shit.  The lack of threads.
07:03.57schme_So how is mutt a decent mua for displaying html mail?
07:04.02schme_So next please.
07:04.10Guerinwtf
07:04.42schme_Ya, most mail I read is html wonder.
07:04.43liableicedove, edit->preferences->advanced->advanced config
07:04.46craigevilhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/776 will give you access to the about:config in icedove
07:05.03dansushiGm4n: thanks, it worked!
07:05.07Guerinschme_: auto_view text/html
07:05.16schme_Also I can't stand mutt ;)  It doesn't seem to have a nice way to edit mails in it.
07:05.22Guerinit strips it of all the html nasties and gives you nice clean text
07:05.22Gm4nno problem, dansushi. Happy new year :)
07:05.27dansushiyou too!
07:05.39Guerinor you can just make it use whatever other htmleriser you like
07:05.40schme_liable: Ah thanks.
07:05.44liable!start a mua war
07:05.44dpkgmutt sucks
07:05.50liableo_0
07:05.51Guerindpkg: you lie!
07:05.51dpkgI resemble that remark!
07:05.58schme_Guerin: Great. I'll just make it use gecko then :P
07:06.15Guerini used sylpheed-claws for a while, but it just wasn't nice
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07:06.40liablei telnet to my mta..
07:06.42schme_I've only really ever found one that was nice. All the rest are crap in general.
07:06.44liableruns
07:06.52schme_But as I said, I can't stand it locking up my whole desktop ;)
07:07.09Guerinit locks up your whole machine?
07:07.14Guerinwhat if you nice it down?
07:07.17schme_No but all of emacs.
07:07.20schme_Until it is done.
07:07.21Guerinoh
07:07.22Guerinfail
07:07.36schme_Ya. the threads in emacs are not so much in working order yet.
07:07.39Guerinand running a separate instance of emacs sort of defeats the purpose
07:07.44schme_Indeed.
07:08.04schme_Well that about:config was useless :S
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07:08.48schme_bollocks.
07:09.20schme_I have a hunch they have alt working the way I want.
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07:12.16liableif you want to get into its internals, heres a pretty old script i used to use for hacked browser keys in iceweasel, i guess icedove would have similar layout.. http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/Keys
07:13.13schme_wonderful.
07:13.24Gm4nI'm trying to install xen on my (I think it is, anyway) 686 system, but it seems to think that xen hypervisor 3.0.3-1-i386 is already installed. How can I fix this?
07:13.33schme_I need to explain to it that wherever it expects Alt it should now expect Meta.
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07:20.49brosWill the regular stable Debian PowerPC ISO work for a PlayStation 3?
07:21.02liablenope afaik
07:21.10liabletheres a port for it though
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07:21.35brosThank you. I think I messed around with this port you speak of all day, and I think it is out dated.
07:22.03schme_Hmmm..
07:22.12schme_The PS3 has a PPC CPU?
07:22.15brosI read that "Debian-Installer" should be used. What is this? I Google'd it and it seems like it is the installer of debian, not a seperate branch?
07:22.21brosYeah, it is called "Cell" or something.
07:22.28liableyes, d-i is the installer
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07:22.41brosTrying to set up WiFi without getting a really big distro is pretty hard.
07:23.05Guerinwtf
07:23.21brosliable: Could you link me to this port you know of?
07:23.44liablemaybe the ppc port does work. i vaguely recall reading about it on the boot list, thought it was a seperate port just for the ps3
07:23.48liablebros: ^^
07:24.13liablebros: give the ppc one a go and see i guess..
07:24.16schme_Oh I had no idea the cell was a PPC.
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07:24.42schme_It will definetly not work
07:24.47nsadminbros if your hw is supported by the installer, you only need the base plus whatever you install after
07:25.11liablethis suggests the installer works.. http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/blog/index.php?/archives/4-Experiences-Installing-Debian-on-a-PS3.html
07:25.44brosSo far, I downloaded some special image that contains "kboot", and I am supposed to use kboot to boot other kernels and such. I had it going great with the "Debian Live PS3" port 'thing', but when I compiled 2.6.28 with 'make ps3_defconfig; make` and tried to boot vmlinux, it got iffy.
07:26.01liableoh, that links to a non official installer
07:26.36schme_Yees.
07:27.10brosliable, Yes. That is the port I thought you spoke of. Some offical guy from the kernel has a pretty good information source, but I need to find a working kernel image to boot into. :(
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07:27.43liablethis dude? http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/geoff/cell/ps3-howto/ps3-debian-install-howto.txt
07:27.49brosThat dude.
07:28.03brosIf you look at "1) Preparation"
07:28.20brosthe 2nd step tells you to grab some disk image with the kernel image on it, that image is no longer hosted.
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07:29.18brosHe also instructed, before that, to download "debian-installer"
07:30.04liabletheres ps3 utils in sid, so I am presuming the installer may just work.
07:30.30nsadminsid has an installer now?
07:30.30liablebros: have you actually tried a rc1 lenny installer?
07:30.42brosWhat is the difference between debian-installer and the debian stable image?
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07:30.51liableno, there never has been such a thing
07:31.18nsadmindebian-installer is an installer for debian that'
07:31.18liabledebian-installer is just the installer. stable is at the moment etch.
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07:31.40brosI have not tried much of anything offical, I used those alternatives. All I want is to boot into bash and have WiFi. :P
07:31.54nsadmins broken down into pieces
07:32.23brosI should downloaded the latest (testing) debian-installer? That sounds good. This is going to sound like a very stupid question. Does that come with a kernel image to boot into? My PS3 is currently sitting at a "kboot" prompt.
07:32.35nsadmindebian stable is the released version of debian, currently etch
07:33.52shivamibwifi depends a lot on your hardware
07:34.41brosshivamib, There is support built in for it in newer kernels.
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08:01.12mxmxhappy new year
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08:07.19JediatNighthappy new year , all
08:07.34CheeToSyou too
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08:08.24IamSOGHappy new EAR !!
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08:09.14mxmxugh
08:09.22mxmxi am trying to connect to yms erver via  a vnc
08:09.30mxmxbut i dont udnersatnd waht tehy mean by hostname:screen
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08:09.57cloddehostname is the ip, screen is usually 0
08:10.05simonrvnhostname:screen is hostname:0.0
08:10.11IamSOGHappy new EAR !!
08:10.14simonrvnwhat he said
08:10.26simonrvn(ip/hostname)
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08:10.49mxmxah
08:10.54mxmxi think its 1
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08:11.52mxmxhmnmm
08:11.56simonrvncould be if there's an x server running on it already
08:13.43mxmxwell
08:13.55mxmxwehn i set up thew geometry stuff
08:14.04mxmxNew 'X' desktop is server.mydomain.com:1
08:14.17mxmxi also set up a password
08:14.20mxmxbut its not working
08:14.36simonrvn'not working' how?
08:14.56mxmxfails to connect
08:15.38mxmxi am trying with tightvnc viewer
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08:15.48mxmxi type server.mydomain.com:1 passwordhere
08:16.40simonrvntimes out? dns working? you can ping it with that hostname? is the port unblocked? is it even listening on the right port?
08:16.57simonrvncheck these things
08:17.11mxmxcrap
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08:17.18mxmxdns is workign
08:17.23mxmxi am runnigng several website son it
08:17.34hardfailwhat year is this?
08:17.41hardfail2009 already right?
08:17.43mxmxyes
08:17.45mxmxgood for u
08:17.55hardfailim wondering why I'm still unable to download files > 2gb from apache server
08:18.00simonrvnhardfail: for most of the world, yes.
08:18.13MardeniI am reserving severel websites .fi next decade
08:18.15hardfaili mean in 1989 this would be an OK excuse
08:18.15mxmxi can ping it
08:18.25hardfailseeing how > 2gb files were not so popular back then
08:18.37mxmxhow do i unblock the port and what por should I unblock?
08:18.37hardfailbut sweet jesus why hasnt this been fixed by 2009?
08:18.42simonrvnhardfail: using debian's apache2?
08:18.44hardfailyes.
08:18.55hardfaildo oyu need any specific information about waht i have installed?
08:18.57MardeniI still have The 2GB bug :P
08:18.59simonrvnit should be working. could be a router issue.
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08:19.23Mardenibut at win fat32
08:19.36hardfailits a filesystem mounted over cifs.
08:19.43Mardenijep
08:19.43simonrvnblame fat for that one Mardeni
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08:19.53hardfailas on of the dirs that apache displays.
08:19.54Mardenisimonrvn true
08:19.59simonrvnhardfail: that might cause a problem
08:20.07hardfailhow would I "fix" this problem
08:20.27Mardenisimonrvn no it has work allright =)
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08:20.49simonrvni don't do samba, so i wouldn't know.
08:21.16Mardenisimonrvn but I thionk I will move all my win work files to DFebian system soon
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08:21.29Mardenijep
08:21.43Mardenihappy hollywoodr!
08:22.29Mardeniat the moment I got at my server free disk space almost 1,4GB
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08:23.16MardeniSo I could move all the data from all the other four computers to it if I want
08:23.41MardeniBut I dont want that
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08:24.33hardfailsimonrvn: how sure are you this is not apache issue.
08:25.21mxmxnope
08:25.26mxmxit refuses to connect
08:26.45hardfailsimonrvn: i can access the cifs mount from another machine (again shared via cifs), and the entire file is accesible.
08:26.48hardfailso seems liek apache problem to me.
08:27.08hardfailLength: 3,120,201,285 (2.9G), 989,494,853 (944M) remaining [text/plain] } 17:26:50 (0.00 B/s) - Connection closed at byte 2130706432. Retrying.
08:27.11hardfailthis is what i get from wget.
08:27.33MardeniI love wget is so cool
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08:32.34noisesmithhow do I forward an internet connection via a crossover ethernet cable? I have a debian laptop here I want to get online with, but the wifi driver won't do WPA so I am connecting via another laptop's wifi
08:34.39noisesmithI have done this before, but I forget the command(s) I used, and my google-fu is failing me
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08:36.55lavHow do I remove a package i.e libcairo, without removing all of packages that depend on it? In gentoo i'm able to simply remove a package i.e a lib on its own. I'm not familiar with the dpkg utility. I'd like to remove libcairo so that I can download and install a newer version.
08:37.10hardfailyou cant do that.
08:37.32lavare you sure?
08:37.43lavthat seems kind of odd
08:37.58hardfailif you want to do official way, no
08:38.06hardfailif you want to just break all dependencies you can --force shit.
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08:38.22lavok, well it would seem to take a long time to remove every single dependency just to download a newer version of the lib
08:38.35noisesmithhardfail, isn't there a way to make your own .deb of a new version of the lib or something?
08:38.56hardfailmaybe, try reading the official debian manual on package management
08:39.09hardfailif you can wade through the english in it you'l be able to successfully create packages.
08:39.28lavlol
08:39.33lavyeah, shouldn't be a problem.
08:39.40noisesmithbtw, what I was looking for was iptables, if the question comes up again, I just found the fix
08:39.41hardfailbut yeah waht he says sounds like a reasonable way.
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08:40.15hardfailso im back at apache not service files > @gb.
08:40.17hardfail2gb.
08:40.27hardfailis this for real or am I failing it hard somehow.
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08:41.07iShockWhat gst package will fix ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "tcpserversrc"
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08:42.16hardfailiShock: i would *guess* libgstreamer-plugins
08:42.44iShockPackage doesn't exist ..
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08:42.49hardfailuh ywah it does
08:43.04hardfailapt-cache search libgstreamer-plugins
08:43.06hardfailtheres a few
08:45.26iShockWhy the hell is it trying to install X every time I try to install gstreamer plugins?...
08:45.40hardfaillol
08:45.54hardfailsame question i ask each tiem i try to install vim with syntax highlighting.
08:45.59iShockI don't need/want/have room for x
08:46.07hardfailiShock: welcome to the "1% of all users who don't want things the "normal" way.
08:46.15iShockSo there's no way to get it without X?
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08:46.34hardfailnope.
08:46.58hardfaili dont see it asking to isntall X thouhg
08:47.01iShock..No wonder more people use Ubuntu.
08:47.09hardfailits probably even worse there.
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08:47.20iShocklee@Vertex:~$ sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
08:47.31noisesmithishock good luck using ubuntu without x
08:47.35hardfail^
08:47.37iShockAnd it wants to install stuff like libx11-data
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08:51.33noisesmithiShock: I think gstreamer is part of the gnome project, so it has gnome dependancies, I could be wrong though
08:52.12nsadmin!depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
08:52.34dpkggstreamer0.10-plugins-good: depends on gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), libaa1 (>= 1.4p5), libavc1394-0 (>= 0.5.3), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcaca0 (>= 0.99.beta13b-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libcdio7, libcucul0 (>= 0.99.beta13b-1), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdv4, libflac8, libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.18), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.18), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libhal1 (>= ...
08:52.38hardfailheh
08:53.06nsadminlibkitchen, libsink....
08:53.11hardfail.. and people bitch about "dll hell" in windows.
08:53.36hardfaildynloading all those shared libs takes forever too.
08:54.45hardfailguys all i want to do is download files >2gb from debian's apache.
08:54.52hardfailsomeone tell me what the hell im doing wrong.
08:55.22nsadmincan your filesystem store files that large?
08:55.28hardfailyes....
08:55.40nsadminlet me guess... dvd movies...
08:56.09hardfailno, high definition homemade child porn, but thanks for asking
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08:56.21iShockrofls
08:57.23nsadminyou want the server to download the files?
08:57.39hardfailno......
08:57.52hardfaili want to download htem from a browser/wget/whatever
08:58.09cahootapache2?
08:58.18hardfaildefault debian install..
08:58.21hardfail2.2.whatever
08:58.33hardfailServer version: Apache/2.2.3
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08:59.05nsadmingstreamer is a gtk app?
08:59.46hardfaili think glib/whatever
08:59.50hardfailalmost same shit.
09:00.04hardfailtrying to implement fakeC++ with 10-mile long function names in C
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09:00.39nsadminso the dependencies are correct?
09:00.49hardfaili duno why it needs shit like libcairo etc
09:01.13hardfailoh, libgtk2.
09:01.20hardfailyea, good luck wiht that.
09:01.30nsadminmeetoo. read its build instructions if you're curious about that.
09:01.32hardfailprobably uses some_irrelevant_function_new() from libgtk
09:02.02noisesmithgstreamer streams not just audio and network, but also video
09:02.11noisesmithit has video sinks
09:02.17noisesmithso it needs cairo for that
09:02.18chequersgstreamer streams 'network'?
09:02.20nsadminread its source if you're curious about that, and then do an analysis to determine how relevent the usage is... you don't need support from here to do that
09:02.54nsadminthe extent of the source is:if you -want- it, -install- it.
09:02.58noisesmithchequers it has networking plugins as sources/sinks is what I was saying
09:03.06nsadminerr the extent of the support
09:03.24chequersah yes
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09:21.57hedgehoginfogI'm experiencing a preblem trying to mount my ntfs external hdd. It seems okay about its dirver but..
09:22.08hedgehoginfogcannot access /media/exthdd: Input/output error
09:22.14hedgehoginfogd?????????  ? ?    ?       ?                ? exthdd
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09:28.39noisesmithinput/output errors are usually bad news, like a scratched cd or a damaged hd
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09:33.29Assidhrmm no dutchfish..
09:33.36Assidi wanted to ask him for help on kvm
09:33.51Assidanyone here played with kvm.. i need saome help on setting up my netowkr
09:34.37avuAssid, have you followed the instructions on the kvm wiki?
09:34.41Assidi have ips on a subnet which isnt the same as the gateway..
09:34.44avuthey worked quite fine for me on lenny
09:35.03Assidavu: using ona  box where the secondary ips of the server are on a different subnet
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09:35.28avuwell, they got to have some gateway on the same network?
09:35.52Assidthe host node has network access.. the secondary ips well.. not sure what / how to do this
09:36.18Assidi was thinking some sort of packet forwarding.. i.e. it comes on tap0 and hits the guest
09:36.37avuwell, if you can't give the VM a 'real' IP on your network, you have to do routing and/or NATing on the host OS, yes
09:37.10Assidcan we take this in pm? since its a bit offtopic?
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09:37.41avuhow is it offtopic? and what's your actual problem?
09:38.00avuI mean, you're trying to use the debian kvm packages on debian, right? :-)
09:38.07avuI'd say this is quote on-topic :(
09:38.08Assidyeah..
09:38.13Assidokay..
09:38.15s7itch3smy xorg.conf says 1024x768 but my fluxbox desktop still runs in 800x600. any ideas?
09:38.31Assidlemme paste my GENERIC allowed network interfaces file
09:38.53avuAssid, well, it would help if I knew what your actual problem was first :)
09:39.14Assidavu:  i dont know how to get the public ip on the guest os
09:39.31avuAssid, I thought you don't want to give the guest a 'public' ip?
09:39.39Assidno no.. i want to
09:39.43Assidbut i dont understand how to
09:39.45avuAssid, if you want to do that after all, just go with dhcp?
09:39.51avuor configure the IP manually in the guest
09:40.06Assidcause the secondary ips i have are on a different subnet than the pprimary ip
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09:42.37Assidyou knw what .. give me a few mins.. will try various things
09:42.47Assidbrb
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09:44.32noisesmiths7itch3s: fluxbox runs 800x600 or X does?
09:45.25noisesmithwhat I mean is, is fluxbox using only a small part of the screen, or is X only at a 800x600 resolution
09:45.49s7itch3snoisesmith: well, i "startx" and fluxbox comes up and its only in 8x6, so i think its both. its a basic install and i only installed fluxbox and "x-window-system" after that
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09:46.21noisesmithfluxbox has nothing to do with this then
09:46.27s7itch3sk
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09:46.37amphi_s7itch3s: can you change res with xrandr?
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09:49.08s7itch3swhat would the comand be? how do i select the display? no examples in the man
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09:52.33hardfailthe year you can right click on a lunix desktop and change resolution without editing a single file might as well be the year of desktop lunix..
09:53.52amphi_hardfail: I expect you can do that in the DEs
09:54.12amphibloody tail
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09:55.28s7itch3sno. i can't seem to figure out how to do it with xrandr. shouldn't that be in the xorg.conf?
09:56.06cahoots7itch3s: does xrandr -q list any more suitable resolution?
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09:56.34s7itch3sit just says "can't open display"
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09:58.18noisesmiths7itch3s: are you running xrandr in an xterm?
09:58.44s7itch3sah, no. i'll try that
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09:59.01noisesmithyeah it expects to change the resolution of a running X
09:59.42noisesmithif it can change it, the issue is the default resolution, if it cannot, the issue is some other config
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10:00.32publunchHi.  I'm trying to backup and archive my 2008 files by using wodim to write to a DVD.  I haven't used wodim for a while.  I get Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x10 (medium not formatted) Fru 0x0.  Using a search engine, I see there are issues regarding wodim.  Is there an approved workaround?
10:00.52s7itch3swell, the only options by the -q option are 800x600 and 640x480.
10:02.12amphis7itch3s: in that case, there's something wrong with your xorg.conf, I would think
10:02.14cahootcould *try* gtf to create a modline to put into xorg.conf
10:02.27cahootmodeline
10:02.38s7itch3sright, that's what i suspected
10:02.46amphis7itch3s: what video card is this?
10:03.05hardfaildear god.
10:03.07hardfailmodelines??
10:03.09hardfailin 2009?
10:03.11hardfailare you for real.
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10:03.42s7itch3sah, this is an old panasonic toughbook. it ran win95 before this, so i really have no idea. is there a way i can find that out?
10:05.20cahootlspci -k perhaps
10:06.20Assidis there a volatile repository for lenny yet ?
10:06.28Assidi wanna load up kvm-82
10:06.38craigevilAssid:  yes
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10:06.48amphis7itch3s: try lspci
10:06.58s7itch3scommand not found
10:07.01amphis7itch3s: lspci | grep VGA
10:07.13craigevilAssid: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free
10:07.15amphis7itch3s: install the pciutils package
10:07.20s7itch3sk
10:07.27Assidthanks craigevil
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10:10.25s7itch3s00:14.0 VGA compatible controller: Chips and Technologies F65550 (rev c6) : from lspci | grep VGA
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10:11.28noisesmiths7itch3s: sometimes a google for the card + xorg.conf will at least give you some hints, if not a file you can just drop in there
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10:13.15Lenox_what should I put in my debian repos file
10:13.42simonrvnstuff
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10:14.01boltpreferably text
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10:14.58avuLenox_, sources.list has a manpage. and there's a list of mirrors on http://www.debian.org ..
10:15.39Lenox_http://pastebin.com/m22855cdc
10:15.47Lenox_i get those errors
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10:16.32simonrvn!mirrors
10:16.32dpkgdebian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
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10:17.44avualso:
10:17.45avu!mmap
10:17.45dpkgGetting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/  You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need.
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10:21.04amphis7itch3s: is the package xserver-xorg-video-chips installed?
10:21.27amphis7itch3s: I think that is the correct driver for that card
10:23.21IP-v6how can i compile new 2.6.28 kernel with 64-bit support ?
10:25.30sk4download, extract, configure, make
10:25.49sk4whats the problem?
10:26.22amphi!tell IP-v6 -about kernel-package
10:27.09sk4he wants latest version
10:27.33amphisk4: eh?
10:27.49avusk4, yes, and using kernel-package, he can build it.
10:27.53amphi!tell sk4 -about kernel-package
10:27.55amphi;)
10:28.21RichiHwhat is the canonical place to put stuff i need to echo into /sys?
10:28.42amphiRichiH: /etc/sysfs.conf /
10:28.45amphi?
10:28.45RichiHta
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10:29.39RichiHamphi: and /proc?
10:29.49RichiHthe last time i needed to do that was on 2.4..
10:30.22sk4amphi: you mean download and install kernel from repo?
10:31.07RichiHoh wait, it seems that file is for both
10:31.46sk4and?
10:31.48s7itch3samphi: i dont know if its installed, but i tried to install it and nothing happens. ie "Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used."
10:32.35amphiRichiH: /etc/sysctl.conf for stuff in /proc/sys
10:33.12amphis7itch3s: 'man chips' if I recall correctly, and then /etc/X11/xorg.conf fiddling
10:33.19sk4amphi: this is lenny repo: i   linux-source-2.6.26
10:33.30amphis7itch3s: first, see whether xorg is using that driver at all
10:33.32sk4how about new version?
10:33.47amphis7itch3s: is this etch?
10:33.52amphisk4: kernel.org
10:33.55Lenox_would someone guide me through a kernel update, would like to install 2.6.28
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10:34.13s7itch3syes, it etch is 4.0.somthing
10:34.21s7itch3s*if etch is
10:34.28amphi!drxx s7itch3s
10:34.28dpkgs7itch3s: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself.
10:34.32sk413:27:53 <dpkg> amphi wants you to know: To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential  libncurses5-dev"
10:34.52sk4devision by zero
10:35.17avusk4, kernel-package doesn't mean "a package from the debian repository"
10:35.55avusk4, it's a package to build your own kernel and create a debian package from the results
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10:36.16avuerm, "a kernel from the debian repository" :(
10:36.44amphisk4: as 'apt-cache show kernel-package' would make obvious
10:37.41amphis7itch3s: that should let you choose the 'chips' driver
10:37.58s7itch3sright, it did let me select it
10:38.03amphis7itch3s: I think - it's been a while since I saw such a card
10:38.05IP-v6i've installed kernel-package and reading readme now :) thanks
10:38.23amphis7itch3s: what was selected before? vesa?
10:38.58RichiHamphi: yah, i figured that out, thanks :) -- where do i put stuff for /sys, though?
10:38.59s7itch3swhen i got to that section, chips was already highlighted
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10:39.07Lenox_how does one go by instaliing kernel 2.6.28
10:39.19avuLenox_, why do you need 2.6.28?
10:39.41amphiRichiH: /etc/sysfs.conf - you need to install the sysfsutils package, if you haven't already
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10:39.58Gr33n3ggWhats the command to get the latest headers?
10:40.08avuGr33n3gg, what headers?
10:40.17amphiavu: hdaps head-parking with no need for a patch! ;)
10:40.21Lenox_avu: it has driver updates for my rtl8187b wifi chip
10:40.40amphiLenox_: you could perhaps also use compat-wireless for that
10:41.00amphiLenox_: rather than an entire kernel upgrade
10:41.02avuLenox_, if you're really sure you need those though, /msg dpkg kernel-package
10:41.03s7itch3salright, i ran thru that and when i got to the resolution selection, i only selected 1024x768, and now its at 640x480....
10:41.07Lenox_rtl8187b is special
10:41.30amphis7itch3s: :(
10:41.37amphi!compat-wireless
10:41.37dpkgwell, wireless tree is the latest experimental wireless drivers are in the wireless-2.6 GIT tree.  See http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download for more information on how to use it.  Note that a kernel version >= 2.6.22 is required, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <bpo> to acquire 2.6.24 or 2.6.26 (respectively) for Etch systems.  compat-wireless-old (for kernels <= 2.6.26) archive: http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6/
10:41.56amphiLenox_: does that include a driver for your card?
10:42.04Worfi had to install 2.6.28 (-rc something at least) to be happy on my EeePC :)
10:42.19Gr33n3ggHeh, on me  Eee right now.
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10:42.56Lenox_man i just want to get my 8187b working
10:43.03Worfdidn't update to the 2.6.28 release yet tough
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10:43.51WorfLenox_: i built my .deb package for the kernel myself - i found all i needded ...
10:44.04avuLenox_, well, installing compat-wireless will be less of an effort than building your own kernel.. :)
10:44.06amphiLenox_: compat-wireless is simpler than upgrading the kernel, which is why I suggested it - did you check whether it has a driver for your card?
10:44.23Lenox_it seems to have yes
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10:44.39Lenox_i'll install compat then
10:44.46Lenox_apt doesnt find it though
10:45.08avuLenox_, have you read what the bot wrote about it? :)
10:46.12Lenox_how do ic heck kernel ver
10:46.18avuuname -r
10:46.26amphiLenox_: you may need a slightly older snapshot to build against .26 - ISTR the latest are against .27
10:46.37Lenox_2.6.18-6-686 :(
10:46.57amphiLenox_: you're on etch?
10:46.58avuwell, the bot already told you what to do in this case :)
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10:47.20Lenox_Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l
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10:47.38amphi!tell Lenox_ -about etchnhalf
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10:48.51Lenox_or i'll just get compat wireless old
10:49.00Lenox_right?
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10:49.43amphiLenox_: if you have recent hw, I would try etchnhalf or upgrading to lenny
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10:50.12Lenox_amphi: i just need drivers for rtl8187B
10:50.39Lenox_the rest of the hw is acient
10:50.49amphiLenox_: what objection do you have to the etchnhalf kernel?
10:51.05Lenox_it takes too much effort
10:51.49Lenox_and time and nerves
10:51.53amphiLenox_: bah - CONFIG_RTL8187=m is there in debian's .26 kernel
10:52.14SufixxHi, I've got a problem with luks-encryped drive: http://pastebin.ca/1297575
10:52.26Lenox_amphi rtl8187 is not rtl8187b
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10:54.27amphiLenox_: CONFIG_RTL8187 does not provide support for your card?
10:54.40Sufixxafter typing password i get this message :/
10:55.32Lenox_i dont understand, what are you asking
10:56.02Lenox_8187B is a bitch man
10:56.11Lenox_wont work with 8187 drivers
10:56.56amphigreat
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10:57.45Lenox_tar jxvf compat-wireless-$(date -I).tar.bz2
10:58.25Lenox_see #flood if you willl
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11:01.33Orion_X11today I watched "Die Hard 4.0" and I was impressed about how ease the Gabriel hackers had broken into the System. Is that possible to go in like that? Also I tried to identify with kind OS they were using. I think that was not Linux. Was that?
11:02.22cahootoh they had help from the matrix crew
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11:04.22Orion_X11I know that it is not a debian issue, but I am curious about at least to know with was that OS? Windows?
11:05.04amphithe Hurd!
11:06.16IamSOGHappy new EAR !!
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11:07.32Orion_X11I am not joking. I am talking seriously
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11:09.02flexyis there a way to get the console that is showing boot messages, to use only the center part of the screen? ie, if I could make the 2-3 chars at the edges to be blank or with constant chars all the time?
11:09.03pingouinoh my god, they did a number of Die Hard ?!
11:09.13pingouinthe 1 was already too much....
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11:12.13enouf\amethyst: webhelper? changed URLs? <\amethyst> maybe enouf can do it <-- wtf? ;-)
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11:13.24enoufconfines pingouin to the Nakatomi Plaza
11:13.24WorfOrion_X11: i think the storyline is imaginary ...
11:14.49Lenox_help, i cant copy text from gnome terminal
11:14.52enoufflexy: are you having issues with your display? IOW if you adjust it so it's correct through the Monitor's OSM/OSD, then once X is booted, it's off center?
11:14.58Lenox_copyes some other stuff instead
11:15.01Orion_X11Worf: I agree, but the computers were on. So, which kind of OS was that? In matrix at least we can see nmap running in a konsole.
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11:16.01enoufOrion_X11: what ever happened after you rebooted? any /var/log/boot info? how's your hal?
11:16.29Orion_X11enouf: Same thing still hanging
11:16.39enoufOrion_X11: for how long?
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11:16.58enoufOrion_X11: apt-get update ; apt-cache policy hal
11:17.01enoufpastebin
11:17.15enoufor just show me installed and available
11:17.56Orion_X11enouf: I lost my patience because once I left it hanging for 10 min and then I had to reboot by hand 2 more times for getting gdm
11:18.15flexyenouf: I'm using rear projection TV, which does not show all of the screen... I use it for mythtv, so there is builtin solution for X, but for text console I'm lacking solution
11:18.24enoufOrion_X11: also, can you show me your /etc/runlevel (file-rc) contents? i want to see when it's attempting to run
11:18.43enoufOrion_X11: oh right, now i recall you mentioned that rebooting bit
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11:19.33enoufflexy: why does it not show all of the screen? (btw, i'm thinking of a solution while i ask you)
11:20.06Orion_X11enouf: /var/log/boot > (Nothing has been logged yet.)
11:20.20flexyenouf: the tv has built in optical overscan. part of the projected screen is behind the frames
11:20.24enoufOrion_X11: sounds like ubuntu
11:21.59enoufgrep BOOTLOGD_ENABLE /etc/default/bootlogd
11:23.28enoufwell, i suppose you should reboot as well - or .. perhaps b/c you're using file-rc, it's not running at all, or something - maybe try 'insserv' to get an idea of the process, and perhaps concurrency of the way the scripts are running (or not)
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11:24.04enoufflexy: can't that be adjusted?
11:24.12flexyenouf: nope.
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11:25.14Orion_X11enouf: apt-cache policy hal > http://paste.debian.net/24901/
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11:25.17flexyenouf: lcd rear projection tv, adjusting that would require internal modifications, which I'm sure I can not do. And trying with google lets me think that no one else has done it...
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11:26.09enoufflexy: there might be something you can do playing with the various framebuffers .. though offhand, i can't think how to pad the sides, so to speak - though with the resolutions/columns, you can stop it from ever reaching all the way across to the far right
11:26.44enoufflexy: take a dremel tool to the frame? O_o
11:27.23enoufOrion_X11: you're on what? Lenny?
11:27.29enoufjudd: versions hal
11:27.29juddenouf: hal -- etch: 0.5.8.1-9etch1 lenny: 0.5.11-6 sid: 0.5.11-6
11:27.36Orion_X11enouf: yes.
11:27.37flexyenouf: :) that might work, until I find that there is not enough of the projection clothe... :/
11:27.48enoufOrion_X11: also, comment out your CD/DVD line in your sources.list
11:27.50enoufcdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux testing Lenny - Official Snapshot i386 DVD Binary-1 2008
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11:28.14enoufflexy: eww.. heh
11:28.24enoufis afk for a few - bbiab
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11:28.42Orion_X11enouf: runlevels.conf > http://paste.debian.net/24902/
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11:31.35Orion_X11enouf: sources.list > http://paste.debian.net/24903/
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11:35.54Lenox_help
11:36.00Lenox_I cant copy lines from gnome terminal
11:36.25simonrvnselect then middle click
11:36.26EmleyMoorLenox_: What happens when you try?
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11:36.46simonrvnsee edit menu too. it's ctrl-shift-c
11:36.50Lenox_omg
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11:36.53Lenox_it works now
11:37.04Lenox_it didnt though
11:37.09Lenox_copyed other stuff
11:37.10Lenox_anyway
11:37.14Lenox_I get this
11:37.15Lenox_bubba@debian:~/compat-wireless-2.6-old$ make
11:37.16Lenox_./scripts/gen-compat-autoconf.sh config.mk > include/linux/compat_autoconf.h./scripts/check_config.sh: line 12: include/linux/compat_autoconf.h: Permissiondenied
11:37.16Lenox_./scripts/check_config.sh: line 13: .config.mk_md5sum.txt: Permission deniedmake: *** [.compat_autoconf_] Error 1
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11:37.22gribouillehi
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11:37.28themilldpkg: tell Lenox_ about paste
11:37.43Lenox_sure
11:37.59gribouillehow can I record the sound that is sent to the sound card ?
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11:38.15gribouillecahoot, and ?
11:38.21cahootarecord -h
11:38.35Lenox_themill, join #flood then
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11:39.03Lenox_or anyone willing to help
11:39.08Lenox_I need top copy sth
11:39.11gribouillecahoot, could you be more precise ?
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11:39.28themillLenox_: just use a pastebin, it's easier for everyone that way
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11:41.41cahootgribouille: if you have a reasonably well supported sound card you should be able to simultaneously play a tune and run arecord -f cd my.wav
11:41.44simonrvnLenox_: exactly what it says
11:41.53enoufOrion_X11: ok, back - now, let me see heree
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11:41.57simonrvnyou don't have permission to create the file
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11:42.33Lenox_http://pastebin.com/m4a6d270b
11:42.37themillLenox_: I'd guess that you unpacked the source as root and are now compiling as a normal user, or you have previously tried to compile as root and are now trying to compile as your user
11:42.40harleakin!nvidia
11:42.40dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>).  nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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11:46.38gribouillecahoot, I tried it, but nothing was recorded
11:47.00enoufOrion_X11: 1st, in sources.list, you can comment out line 3, you're on Lenny now -- also, was line 7 commented prior? or you just did it? Also you shouldn't play with commenting out 'contrib non-free' (i would uncomment those) -- also, it's ok to have a sid line now (that you're on Lenny, hrm, but it seems you started on Stable/Etch, so why a Lenny CD/DVD?) but, it should be a 'deb-src ...' line only
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11:47.12cahootgribouille: run alsamixer and set rec level
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11:48.07cahootgribouille: OTOH if this is a hda-intel device I must confess I never got it to work whereas my Audig works fine
11:48.29gribouillecahoot, I don't know what it is
11:48.33Assidis it me or does kvm -82 does not exist even n the volatile database
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11:48.42cahootgribouille: audigy
11:48.48Assiderr.. for lenny
11:48.58gribouillecahoot, what's that ?
11:49.01simonrvnvolatile is for etch only
11:49.16cahootgribouille: a pci soundcard I have
11:49.31Assidsimonrvn: backports then ?
11:50.07cahootmed för guds skull gör vad som föreslås
11:50.29FailPowahis this event anything to worry about? never seen it before: http://pastebin.ca/1297582
11:50.52Orion_X11enouf: Line 7 > just did it
11:50.55simonrvnAssid: if you're using lenny, why are you look at backports.org?
11:51.20Assidsimonrvn: im not.. just thought maybe would check into kvm-82
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11:51.50simonrvnlenny would get it sooner... *hint hint*
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11:52.42Assidtheres alot of new sutff and improvements since -72
11:53.38Orion_X11enouf: I have fixed my sources.list as you have told me. Now updating
11:54.02hardfaillets see if more people are awake this time. what's with silly 2gb/file limit in debian's apache and more importantly, how do i fix that?
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11:56.04simonrvnAssid: so file a bug report on it then, saying there's a new version. it won't do much good however, since lenny is *frozen*.
11:56.36Assidsimonrvn: yep.. thats why was looking for volatile
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11:56.50themilljudd versions kvm
11:56.51juddthemill: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-4 sid: 72+dfsg-4 experimental: 79+dfsg-3
11:56.53simonrvn...
11:57.26Lenox_debian:/home/bubba# rmdir comp*
11:57.26Lenox_rmdir: compat-wireless-2.6-old: Directory not empty
11:57.31Lenox_what does it want
11:57.32themillAssid: volatile won't start doing anything for lenny until lenny is actually released. It's for stable only.
11:57.34simonrvnmake your own backport then
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11:57.49jabisLenox, try rm -rf comp*
11:58.16Lenox_thx
11:58.23themillLenox_: /msg dpkg general cli tutorial ; /msg dpkg grounding
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11:59.14Lenox_why does debian have iceweasel and not firefox
11:59.26jabis!iceweasel
11:59.26dpkgrumour has it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch.  It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/).  To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>.
11:59.32themilldpkg: tell Lenox_ about why iceweasel
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12:01.04enoufOrion_X11: also - pastebin output of ~$ dpkg -l \*dbus* | grep ^.i
12:01.37hardfailhello does anyone know...... about 2gb apache limit or what the dicks is going on
12:03.28Orion_X11enouf: dbus > http://paste.debian.net/24905/
12:04.13Lenox_compat-wireless-old-2009-01-01.tar.bz22009-Jan-01 06:12:271.5Mapplication/octet-stream
12:04.13Lenox_compat-wireless-old.tar.bz22009-Jan-01 06:12:271.5Mapplication/octet-stream
12:04.16Lenox_which one
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12:05.16enoufOrion_X11: also, since you're on Lenny, you can comment out all references to backports - Oh, and i've followed the 3 /etc/rc{0,1,6}.d/K16hal symlinks, and they point back to /etc/init.d/hal and that script mentions in the header that it should 'Default-Stop' at 0,1,6 and S, but you shoud add atleast 0,1,6, since i have those 3 symlinks here for hal
12:05.51simonrvnLenox_: which one what?
12:06.07Lenox_nvm, got both
12:06.14enoufOrion_X11: it's possible, that without those, it's not cleaning up properly on shutdown, and you're left with a stale lock file or PID or something
12:06.18Lenox_gonna install wireless-compat
12:06.29themillsimonrvn: you mean your ESP-over-TCP/IP isn't working today?
12:06.51simonrvnthemill: yeh, turned it off to save on power
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12:08.13Orion_X11enouf: Explain better how to fix the symlinks, please
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12:08.28themillsimonrvn: sounds like you should turn it back on to help keep you warm
12:08.35simonrvnhehe
12:09.58Lenox_themill, thanks, now I get this though: http://pastebin.com/m2d4c3ef4
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12:10.14hardfailguys. need help. nao. http://rafb.net/p/dwDHGq95.html << explain how to fix.
12:10.40enoufOrion_X11: notice in your <off-> column in your /etc/runlevel.conf file, just like the 1st kdm entry is; 01      0,1,6   -               /etc/init.d/kdm   <-- add '0,1,6' to the hal line (it starts with 24?)
12:10.42simonrvnjust had some cornmeal cereal, wild blueberries, and maple syrple, so i'm toasty ;).
12:11.12enoufOrion_X11: actually - wait, maybe ..
12:11.12Lenox_what does it want
12:11.13Lenox_http://pastebin.com/m2d4c3ef4
12:11.30enoufOrion_X11: maybe we can do this with update-rc.d as the header of your posted file says
12:11.50enoufOrion_X11: oh crap! nm ... i suck --> 16      0,1,6   -               /etc/init.d/hal
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12:12.13enoufOrion_X11: you already have those - i was looking at 24 .. not 16 .. my bad - sorry
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12:12.48enoufOrion_X11: ok, plan B .. one sec ;-)
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12:14.08themillLenox_: what card are you trying to get working?
12:14.40enoufOrion_X11: i'd think the issue is one of either a) acpid, or b) dbus (look at the /etc/init.d/hal script header - requires dbus, should start acpid) perhaps you have some wanky stale acpi stuffs/modules/etc loading? - maybe you were toying with powernowd? or hibernate? or acpi/acpid/acpi-support-utils ?
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12:16.19Lenox_themill, 8187b
12:16.34enoufOrion_X11: have you blacklisted certain modules? (look in /etc/modprobe.d/{blacklist,local,blacklist.local} to start - though any file in /modprobe.d/ is read for possible params .. also, pastebin output of /etc/modules)
12:16.52Lenox_note the B
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12:18.11themillLenox_: sucks to be you then.... For that, you will either need 2.6.27 or compat-wireless... I was hoping to save you some work there.
12:18.36Lenox_where
12:18.47Lenox_compat-wireless-old wont work?
12:19.25hardfaildoes anyone know what hte problem is with my apache2 install and files > 2gb?? http://rafb.net/p/dwDHGq95.html
12:19.43themillLenox_: nfc. You might have better luck basing your compilation on 2.6.26 from backports.org though. But I don't touch hardware that's not supported nicely so I don't know.
12:19.59Orion_X11enouf: Blacklist > http://paste.debian.net/24906/
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12:20.55enoufOrion_X11: i'm pretty sure things like gnome-vfs depend on hal and dbus and such - is that all up to date? Perhaps you can check the BTS (bugs.debian.org).
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12:21.11enoufOrion_X11: can you atleast post in the pastebin which file(s) you are showing?
12:21.24enoufOrion_X11: and/or just tell us here ;-)
12:21.58enoufnothing in that paste jumps out at me at all
12:22.37Orion_X11enouf: /etc/modules > http://paste.debian.net/24907/
12:22.54enoufhardfail: FAT file system? older Samba?
12:23.22hardfailenouf: debian etch.
12:23.27hardfailfilesystem is not a problem...
12:23.39enoufOrion_X11: nothing much there - though i have no idea how badly ndiswrapper might affect you - since i know Windows also employs a HAL
12:24.13enoufhardfail: those are the only 2 things i know of that have a 2GB limit
12:24.25enoufmaybe certain ISOs as well .. or someshit
12:25.07Orion_X11enouf: I think that's not ndis, because i have used it for a long, long time and have never had such problem. It started some 2 weeks ago.
12:25.11hardfailenouf: wget -O /dev/null http://localhost/dicks.tar
12:25.19hardfail21:12:00 (8.57 MB/s) - Connection closed at byte 2130706432. Retrying.
12:25.19hardfailetc.
12:25.38enoufhardfail: oh .. and maybe some tars? but that doesn't seem to be the issue - i see the error
12:26.01hardfaili see shit dating back to liek 2006 talking about 64bit file support in apache
12:26.08hardfailsurely by 2009 that would be enabled/fixed?
12:26.14enoufhardfail: yeah, it's not an apache issue
12:26.19hardfailo'RLY
12:26.25hardfailthen what "issue" is it? wget?
12:26.25enoufo'rly
12:26.29enoufnope
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12:26.31hardfailthen?
12:26.41enoufsamba, fat/vfat
12:26.52hardfail...
12:26.54hardfailwhat?
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12:27.06Orion_X11enouf: perhaps if I purge file-rc install the other file to manage runlevels and then back to file-rc could help me in some way
12:27.09enoufsomething in samba about Enable LargeFile support - check your mounts
12:27.12hardfailsurely sending it to /dev/null would make no difference of the current filesystem.
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12:27.33hardfailenouf: i can access the full file over samba from windows yet again, as well as I can read the full file locally on teh mount.
12:27.36enoufhardfail: eww .. dang
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12:28.40enoufhardfail: but when you do use windows/samba, are you using CIFS instead? you should, it always had largefile support .. apologies, i know i'm not focusing too well, and i'm not sure wtf is wrong there
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12:29.12mungustashello, could someone advise how I could use SOCKS5 (ssh) proxy in shell ? I want to connect to ftp site through socks5 using 'lftp' client
12:29.31hardfailenouf: 1) teh original dir is mounted -t cifs from windows 2008 server. I can read any file locally on the box, > 2gb, no problem. the same dir is also again exported via samba from the box its mounted TO, and I can look at that sahre from another windows machine and access files jsut fine.
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12:29.40enoufOrion_X11: well, i was thinking perhaps ensure your sources.list only have Lenny lines + (one possible deb-src line for sid) then run a dist-upgrade - or even aptitude safe-upgrade
12:29.44hardfailignore the 1) part, i duno what 2) is.
12:29.52lotrpyhello, everyone, Happy Niu Year.
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12:30.30hardfailenouf: so, its not a problem with the cifs mount.
12:30.40themillhardfail: is there a chance you can remove some of the variables in this by for example serving from the local file system rather than from cifs?
12:30.53lotrpyI have a debian box, just a user, no root, how can I install sshfs, ./configure..... need sth. I can't handle. is ther any binary version of sshfs for debian?
12:30.58hardfailif I had a quick way to create huge files like I can in windows using fsutil, sure.
12:31.06enoufhardfail: my bad bad WAG is it's something to do with " the same dir is also again exported via samba from the box its mounted TO" and old samba limitations  .. sorry
12:31.18hardfailim not excited about sitting for 10 minutes waiting for dd to finish making a 10gb file
12:31.24enoufheh
12:31.34enoufhardfail: add/use bs=4M
12:31.37hardfailbbl, bath. will revisit this when its done
12:31.44enoufphone
12:31.45hardfailenouf: modern filesystems have something called "sparse files"
12:31.49themillhardfail: there are many bug reports about apache2 and cifs not working nicely together.
12:32.26themillhardfail: especially wrt the sendfile() system call
12:34.54lotrpy:(
12:36.07enoufhardfail: sparse files don't take  minutes to create
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12:36.20enoufer 10
12:36.31enouff*** this numlock on this keyboard SUCKS
12:37.01cahootthe capslock seems to work though
12:37.11mungustashello, could someone advise how I could use SOCKS5 (ssh) proxy in shell ? I want to connect to ftp site through socks5 using 'lftp' client
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12:38.08enoufcahoot: nah, i'm good with the Shift key ;-) i actually have capslock disabled in xorg.conf :-P
12:38.29cahootenouf: hmm my bad
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12:41.47enoufOrion_X11: i really don;t think it's a file-rc vs standard /rc.?.d/ symlinks issue, but .. if you've also been toying with say rcconf, sysv-rc, sysv-rc-conf, that might come into play .. IIRC, your dmesg looked fine to me, pretty much
12:42.24enoufOrion_X11: could be you got some weirdo .debs from those "other" repos you have listed in sources.list
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12:44.26enoufor .. it might just be a legitimate bug ..
12:45.16enoufOrion_X11: you have some BT device hooked up as well as some other assorted sundries - maybe take a look at man hal-disable-polling, and see if you can selectively disable it for a given problem device
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12:51.13enoufOption          "XkbOptions"    "ctrl:nocaps,altwin:meta_win"  \o/
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12:52.02enoufso, who hasn't yet seen the new year? Hawaii? .. some south pacific rim islands?
12:52.11blubberdiblubi use the caps lock key as compose key in X
12:52.38lotrpyHello, could(or how can) I install sshfs without root?
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12:52.51enoufi disable it, because i hit it too often unintentionally, as well as some other stupid keys, like Enter is WAYYYYYYY tooo close to '  :-0
12:53.14Serge_KNY was nice in Russia though there was no snow... Crisis as it seems...
12:53.33Orion_X11enouf: I think I will purge file-rc and then install the other manager and then back to see what happens
12:53.33mungustasHow to use SOCKS5 with 'lftp' client ?
12:53.40enoufand even F1, which starts a STORM of Bloat firing off (kde help center) which can't be stopped until it fully loads .. ugh
12:53.43xinguenouf: uk keyboard layout prevents that one - the [#]/[~] key is betwixt ['] and [enter]
12:54.00enoufxingu: oh cool! ;-) ...
12:54.00Serge_Kthere was a lot of fireworks...all around town... maybe a half an hour
12:54.17enoufgoes to shop for a UK keyboard
12:55.09enoufOrion_X11: ok .. well .. i also lost your dmesg pastebin URL, as it was hours and hours ago
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12:57.02enoufxingu: do you know of a way to stop a hung boot process (namely a "Starting Hardware Abstraction Layer - hald" in runlevel2) so that one can then bypass it, without hard rebooting, maybe via sysrq? i doubt ctrl-c would do it
12:57.51Orion_X11enouf: I just installed sysv-rc and now going to reboot to see what happens
12:57.56enoufxingu: see, without bypassing it, no logs are saved/written as you know - also, maybe .. what's a debug output option? crap .. what's wrong with me
12:58.05xinguenouf: ^C is usually my first stop; the sysreq stuff isn't that granular from memory, I'm not sure there's a way to show+kill a given process (there's a way to kill _all_ processes)
12:58.06hardfailok back
12:58.06hardfailnow
12:58.19enoufOrion_X11: sysv-rc is for altering runlevel items, not replacing file-rc
12:58.24enoufAFAIK
12:58.28Serge_Kenouf: maybe just to exclude it from a boot process? i.e. from /etc/init.d ?
12:58.32simonrvnit isn't at all (sysreq, granular)
12:58.48simonrvnenouf: o_O
12:59.01xinguenouf: beyond that start in single user and manually start each script  to progress up the run level.
12:59.03enoufxingu: righto - the reverse 'busier' options ;-)
12:59.08xinguenouf: when you know which one hangs - add a set -x to it
12:59.18enoufxingu: ahh,,. yep
12:59.23hardfailthemill: well, so how do I solve it?
12:59.29hardfailthemill: bug reports dont help me
12:59.32enoufSerge_K: too easy .. and non-informative ;-)
12:59.34xinguenouf: from there you know the failing command - test it, add debug flag, whatever.
12:59.44enoufxingu: aye .. gotcha
12:59.47enoufthanks
13:00.06Orion_X11enouf: sysv-rc only installs if it removes file-rc synaptic says that it it automatic
13:00.14xinguenouf: having said all that, hald's a monster of a thing - it's deeply multi-processing, it spawns a tonne of child processes and waits for some of them
13:00.16Serge_Kpersonally me I dont trust hal... guess its just evil
13:00.18enoufOrion_X11: oh .. ok then - my bad
13:00.36enoufxingu: i know :-/ .. i fear that monster :-p
13:01.08enoufxingu: and it's hooked/reliant on dbus and possibly acpid :-/
13:01.15simonrvnhal pauses for the floppy drive on this thing, doing a seek on it; only thing i've seen it pause on.
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13:01.49enoufsimonrvn: you might have something there - paying attention Orion? ooops, gone :-p
13:01.53xinguenouf: I think what I really mean is some combination of "good luck" and "it's probably some unmet external dependancy - such as broken/ unresponsive hardware, or, another daemon"
13:02.09Serge_Ksimonrvn: floppies are nice... to be into scrapyard
13:02.21enoufxingu: right - i suggested selectively hal-disable-polling on any gadgetry devices to start
13:03.35enoufsimonrvn: you do know about the certain issues especially with the Make/Models of Optical CD/DVD drives listed in file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi yes? turns out, i don't think either of his two drives are that make/brand
13:04.05simonrvnno i don't
13:04.22simonrvnenouf: when's the last time you slept?
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13:04.31enoufxingu: i recall from seeing his dmesg, there's usb devices conneected, and even Bluetooth stuffs - it's a Desktop AMD64 4200 ? X2 system
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13:04.41enoufsimonrvn: about 2 hours ago? :-)
13:04.49simonrvnit might hang on the usb stuff
13:05.01simonrvnenouf: ok, i guess you need your coffee then ;)
13:05.08simonrvn!coffee enouf
13:05.08dpkgdecants a fine mug of Colombian for enouf, courtesy of simonrvn
13:05.19enoufdpkg: gracias
13:05.19dpkgit has been said that gracias is thank you
13:05.23enouf;-)
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13:09.19Orion_X11enouf: Still hanging with sysv-rc :-(
13:09.29enoufWell.. for whomever wondered what it'd be like to toy with 'file-rc' and replace the symlink mess in all the /etc/rc?.d/ files - have a look http://paste.debian.net/24902/ .. now that i'm focusing on runlevel2 only, i notice acpid starting and some other things like fancontrol and hddtemp which start prior to hal (24)
13:09.37Orion_X11I had to reboot twice to get gdm
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13:10.28enoufOrion_X11: you missed a bit of info - can you add set -x to /etc/init.d/hal please? and disable acpid and fancontrol and hddtemp from loading in runlevel2 - (those are likely from the lmsensors pkgs)
13:10.33enoufouch
13:10.45Orion_X11enouf: But, I noticed that when it hangs the floppy driver lights its light and the light stays on
13:11.13enoufOrion_X11: aha!
13:11.18simonrvnenouf, Orion_X11 : ah ha
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13:11.27simonrvnthat's acpi shit
13:11.39enoufOrion_X11: Disable floppy drive in BIOS, and blacklist the module? .. and/er kill acpid
13:11.53simonrvni see that happen in freebsd, because their acpi support is very incomplete
13:12.05Orion_X11enouf: already disabled in bios
13:12.06enoufOrion_X11: are you sure your floppy data cable isn't inserted backwards?
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13:12.19enoufOrion_X11: well, then enable it ;-)
13:12.50enoufOrion_X11: while you were gone -> [07:59:22] <simonrvn> hal pauses for the floppy drive on this thing, doing a seek on it; only thing i've seen it pause on.
13:12.53simonrvnprolly sees the chip for the floppy, and tries to scan, but can't since it's been disabled.
13:13.03Orion_X11enouf: I am sure my machine is a dual-boot and it does not happen when going to Windows
13:13.09enoufsimonrvn: aye .. since it can do BIOS calls to it
13:13.14Orion_X11enouf: the cable is allright
13:13.25simonrvni've seen freebsd hang right at that point, when the acpi driver scans the h/w
13:13.37enoufi mean since the floppy accepts soft INT13/21 BIOS calls, or whatever it is
13:13.39simonrvnhang on the floppy...
13:14.07enoufOrion_X11: focus there- even use hal-disable-polling for the floppy if needed
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13:14.18Assidfloppies . fucks
13:14.20Assidyucks
13:14.25simonrvnmobo's an amd irongate
13:14.31simonrvnfyi
13:14.40Assidwe need to move on.. usb drives make good flooppies
13:14.48enoufsimonrvn: aye - his is .. er, not sure, but an AMD64 X2 4200 desktop system
13:14.53Orion_X11enouf: too much info now. Be not quickly please
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13:15.23Orion_X11enouf: After disabling floppy in bios what to do?
13:16.19enoufOrion_X11: ok .. take it slow - read whatever backscroll you got - please go through all your BIOS settings and setup and try to focus on the Floppy and perhaps other resources that might conflict - Oh and add 'set -x' to a newline, just below DESC="Hardware abstraction layer" in /etc/init.d/hal
13:16.21level1is there a way to remove every package from my system except the base system, and I few packages of my choice like Xorg?
13:16.44enoufOrion_X11: when since was it (the floppy) Disabled?
13:17.34Orion_X11enouf: It is for me to enable or disable the floppy in the bios?
13:17.34enoufwonders if he can pass a kernel option like pci=routeirq or something =biosirq to overcome that scanning
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13:17.54enoufOrion_X11: you said it was desiabled already .. since when?
13:18.01enoufOrion_X11: you said it was disabled already .. since when?
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13:19.18Orion_X11enouf: a long time now. I normally do not let floppy for 3boot in my machine.
13:19.44enoufinteresting http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/floppy.txt
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13:20.20enoufOrion_X11: well .. Enable the sucker, or something .. or pull it out of the system entirely and disable it - atleast disconnect all cables
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13:21.20enouflevel1: yes
13:22.06enouflevel1: ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | egrep -i 'important|required' > NECESSARY-pkgs.txt
13:22.29enouflevel1: that'll be a list of what's absolutely needed for a base-system
13:23.05enouflevel1: Xorg will have many dependencies though, so don't get too hopeful ;-)
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13:23.48enouflevel1: take a look at grml.org/files see the small version for many goodies wanted without Xorg, and medium version for those goodies + Xorg
13:23.55enoufand possibly more
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13:27.00CapaHQuestion, using GNU Screen is great in that I can watch what someone does... however nothing prevents from from 'detaching' the screen for example, and then I can no longer watch them. What is a good way to... get around this?
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13:28.05enoufCapaH: if they're detached, what is there to watch?
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13:29.54Orion_X11enouf: This thing is annoying me a lot. In my bios there is no option for floppy driver in the boot sequence
13:30.17enoufOrion_X11: because it's disabled ... ugh .. just disconnect all cables from it
13:30.57enoufOrion_X11: there's a separate area for Enabling/Disabling the Floppy, which type it is (1.44MB , 5.25", etc etc), etc
13:31.17enouf2.88MB .. .gah - kill it!
13:31.22enouf!nuke the floppy
13:31.22dpkgfires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at the floppy
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13:31.48Orion_X11enouf: But, I'd like to keep using the floppy driver though is there a way of fixing it without unplugging it?
13:32.03enoufOrion_X11: why? you have it Disabled?
13:32.24Orion_X11enouf: 1.44
13:32.30enoufOrion_X11: likely though ... yes , but it's beyond us at this time ;-)
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13:33.05enoufjust test the F'ken thing - Nuke the sucker - when you need it again - like for BIOS upgrades, then you can worry about reconnecting it :-P
13:33.23crookseyhey im looking for a good dvd ripping program, anyone recommend one thats in apt?
13:34.19enouf[    9.355867] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
13:34.42Orion_X11enouf: going into bios again to see if I find the area you told me
13:34.50enoufcrooksey: well .. dvdrip likely
13:34.59enoufjudd: versions dvdrip
13:35.00juddenouf: dvdrip -- etch-multimedia: 1:0.98.4-0.1 lenny-multimedia: 1:0.98.9-0.0 sid-multimedia: 1:0.98.9-0.0
13:35.12enouf!+tell crooksey about dmm
13:35.13dpkgtold crooksey about dmm (i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny>)
13:35.22enoufbah .. missed the -
13:35.45enoufOrion_X11: review your detailed Mobo Manual as well
13:35.46crookseyenouf, I have that repo allready, thanks.
13:35.50enoufgah!
13:37.19enoufcrooksey: other ones i know of (somewhat related)  - (some are in debian{multimedia}), k9copy, dvdauthor, DeVeDe, ffmpeg, avidemux, w32codecs, etc etc
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13:39.07bohdananyone using ion3?
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13:48.51xeniterhi @ll
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13:49.08xeniterhow can i reload the keyboard driver
13:49.23xeniteri cant use shift + alt + strg and all such keys
13:49.41xeniterbut i cant restart my system my notebook is broken and it cant boot up anymore
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13:50.10xeniteris there a way to reload the keyboard driverß
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13:50.50liable!keymap
13:50.50dpkgTo change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data".  To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar.  For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>.  In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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13:53.02enoufer.. i'm trying to ascertain where and when 'floppy' module is loaded - i see only CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEFLOPPY=m in the kernel 2.6.26-1-686, i also checked the initrd, and this is what's in there http://pastebin.ca/raw/1297619 - i see no 'modprobe floppy' anywhere though - what am i forgetting?
13:53.42liabledo you have a floppy controller?
13:54.09enoufIs it this? etc/udev/devfs.rules:KERNEL=="fd[0-9]*",               NAME="floppy/%n"   or...
13:54.19enoufthis? /etc/modprobe.d/pnp-hotplug:alias pnp:dPNP0700 floppy
13:54.23enouflevel1: ofcourse
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13:54.30enoufer liable ;-) not level1
13:54.45liableenouf: what are you actually wondering?
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13:55.05enoufliable: where and what is loading the module
13:55.07enouf[    9.355867] Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
13:55.07enouf[    9.439997] FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
13:55.31liableenouf: if udev sees a controller, it will load the module
13:55.49enoufliable: just like it's tough to find out where ppdev, parport, etc are loadin from - though i think i snagged those awhile back
13:55.58enoufliable: where;s the command to do so?
13:56.09enoufliable: is it from the initrd? or later?
13:56.24enoufi'd imagine initrd, so it can boot from floppy
13:56.33liableenouf: dunno, thats udev black magic. i would imagine its later
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13:57.04liablewhy would you need floppy driver in initrd if you boot from floppy? :P
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13:59.07enoufliable: why do you need any modules or drivers? i know the floppy can accept BIOS calls, but that's not the point - I only see references to ide-floppy in udev stuffs and KERNEL+==hd[*] which are for ide-floppy .. and others, in case it's a usb,ieee1394, etc one
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14:01.52enoufwell, i found "/dev/fd0" inside strings /tmp/initrd-26.1/bin/kinit.shared | less
14:03.42enoufdang .. all these strange binaries, i've never heard of :-/
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14:07.28enoufOh .. btw, can anyone tell me definitively whether when editing /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (or any other files in there) to update-initramfs is done - is it also necessary to alter the files in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/*  ?
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14:08.53enoufit appears /usr/share/initramfs-tools/* contains almost a duplicate of what's within my installed initrd-img.verision (when i gzip/cpio it and look inside) vs a very sparse contents within /etc/initramfs-tools/*
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14:09.18enoufgoes elsewhere and asks .. ;-)
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14:12.52lyakhhi all, I'm getting upon "ssh <server> sudo -l", where ssh goes with public key authentication, a request for password from sudo - that's ok, but when I type it - it is shown in clear text...
14:13.06lyakhbetween two etch systems
14:13.24\amethystlyakh:  use ssh -i
14:13.46\amethystlyakh:  ssh <server> <command>  by default doesn't allocate a tty, and without a tty sudo can't turn off echo
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14:14.08\amethystlyakh:  err, sorry,  ssh -t
14:14.10lyakh\amethyst: don't you mean "-t" then
14:14.12enoufaye
14:14.13lyakhright, ic
14:14.17lyakhaha...
14:14.53jabislol, chinese trying to hack into my box for the whole new year's eve. 2800 attacks in firewall log
14:15.04lyakhhm, shouldn't sudo then recognise that there's no tty and password is going to be displayed and refuse / warn / something?
14:15.05jabiss/try/tried/
14:15.24enouf\amethyst: was that a typo before concerning moi? or a joke? :-) --> [06:10:21] <enouf> \amethyst: webhelper? changed URLs? <\amethyst> maybe enouf can do it <-- wtf? ;-)
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14:15.36enouf\amethyst: or were you just drunk off your ass :-P
14:16.26dannyhello and a happy new year to all!
14:16.35jabisright back at ya
14:16.44\amethystenouf:  you were the last one to edit the <live> factoid
14:16.45\amethyst!live
14:16.45dpkgwell, live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/
14:17.15\amethystenouf:  that last URL was broken right now; I asked if anyone knew whether it moved, and they told me to ask on #debian-live on oftc.net
14:17.21\amethystenouf:  and I was too lazy to do so :)
14:17.29\amethysts/was brok/is brok/
14:17.44enoufhaha
14:18.20enouf\amethyst: oh .. i only did so (some days back), b/c the prior one was broken :-/
14:18.57enoufSomeone please edit it again .. to anything just so i'm not held liable :-P
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14:20.38\amethystenouf:  as for initramfs, as I understand it the stuff in /etc/initramfs-tools/ gets added to the stuff from /usr/share/initramfs-tools
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14:20.59enouf(i don't follow that project at all .. so ..)
14:21.50themill\amethyst, enouf: suitable replacement? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/live-helper
14:22.32enouf\amethyst: so, /etc/initramfs-tools/* is a barren template, and a copy of the /boot/initrd-img.version is in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/* ? but why? and when? upon installation/generation? and which gets updtaed when the dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version and update-initramfs commands are run?
14:22.46enoufthemill: have at it  ;-) .. please!
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14:23.01enoufthemill: i can't find anything about a 'webhelper'
14:23.08enoufwhatever that is
14:23.13dannyThe new year is just a few hours old and I already have a question concerning my lenny installation: My boot process is extremely slow because DHCPDISCOVERY fails at the very beginning. I use WICD to manage my WLAN connections. Does anybody know how to deactivate DHCPDISCOVERY or what to do? I think that Lenny doesn't support my hardware and encryption properly by the moment...
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14:23.29themillenouf: indeed. (I'm guessing it's a web interface to live-helper)
14:23.38jabisblacklist the module
14:23.43enouf\amethyst: i also am asking in #d-boot on oftc.net, so i'll wait ;-)
14:23.57enoufthemill: i figured, so perhaps it went p00f ;-)
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14:29.07dannynobody here who has an idea?
14:29.25enoufxingu: liable , whomever - isn't this a lovely hal + gnome bug? http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/5519 .. ugh@!
14:30.07enoufdanny: maybe assign a static IP instead?
14:30.15enoufdanny: /msg dpkg interfaces
14:30.34dannyhm...
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14:30.43enoufdanny: how about also - are you using wpasupplicant? /msg dpkg wpasupplicant
14:31.11enoufdanny: and which module/wifi card? lspci -nn and show us the line
14:31.17CharminTheMoose!charminthemoose
14:31.18dpkgfrom memory, charminthemoose is a camel with antlers. a quite charming moose.
14:31.22CharminTheMoose:-)
14:31.26CharminTheMooseflees
14:31.27enoufhey!
14:31.48enoufruns after the m000shi3 with a flock of sheep
14:32.05CharminTheMoosefleeces back
14:32.07CharminTheMoosehey enouf
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14:32.13enoufcall up Sarah Palin! </evil grin>
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14:32.23\amethystenouf:  if you're really really interested, btw, /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs  is a script so you can read it
14:32.31enoufrents a helicopter :-)
14:32.39dannyoh, no! everything is fine with wicd, but I think the operating system tries to receive an IP-address, too. I would like to deactivate this first attempt
14:32.40\amethystenouf:  it sources a few things in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/
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14:32.56enouf\amethyst: ahh .. yep, mkinitramfs-kpkg runs .. ok thanks
14:33.05CharminTheMooseenouf, damn m00she hunters!
14:33.18CharminTheMooseenouf, also, are doing anything for new year's day?
14:33.20enoufCharminTheMoose: she went down .. luckily ;-)
14:33.33enoufCharminTheMoose: eating and drinking and being merry ;-)
14:34.10\amethystdanny:  then as enouf said replace the  iface <ethblah> inet dhcp   with an  inet static  stanza;  and/or remove the   auto <ethblah>   line
14:34.26\amethystdanny:  in /etc/network/interfaces  that is
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14:34.30danny03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4230] (rev 61)
14:34.34enoufCharminTheMoose: wait, you have humps? .. you sure you're not supposed to be in Notre Dame? :-p
14:34.51CharminTheMooseenouf, Rahul thinks i'm a camel with antlers. :P
14:34.55dannyok, I'll try
14:35.02enouf!iwl4965
14:35.02dpkg[iwlwifi] the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels from 2.6.23.  Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi".  "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset.  See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945).  See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>, <iwlagn>.  #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net
14:35.13tiancaiwhen will lenny be released?
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14:35.24craigevilwhen it snows in hell
14:35.26tiancaiwho has some idea on this?
14:35.34cahootpossibly this year
14:35.42tiancai2009?
14:35.52enoufCharminTheMoose: where is he? i miss that bast**** .. hrm..
14:35.57tiancaijanuary
14:35.58\amethyst!wwlr
14:35.58dpkgLenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN.  It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release".  Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html
14:36.07danny;-) thank you! Didn't know the bot
14:36.11enoufcahoot: good call :-)
14:36.12craigevilim betting March
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14:36.38tiancaianyone from China?
14:36.50tiancaii am from China, shanghai
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14:38.04jabistiancai, are you the chinese bastard that tried to hack me all night, hahaha? :D
14:38.34tiancaiyes, we hack you when you fuck your mother
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14:38.54enoufuh oh - typo -> echo "Depreciation warning: use ramdisk=mkinitramfs-kpkg."
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14:39.25dannytiancai: shouldn't you be in bed?
14:39.27themilldanny: try commenting out that device in /etc/network/interfaces
14:39.43tiancaiyes,, it is night here
14:40.06\amethystoh dear... I was looking at bug #510348 (dillo silently accepts expired https certificates)...
14:40.36\amethystit seems that it silently accepts all https certificates, even if they're self-signed and denote the wrong host
14:40.36danny:)
14:40.50craigevil\amethyst:  is that 2.0?
14:41.14enoufouch->  rm -f ${DESTDIR}/bin/kinit ${DESTDIR}/bin/gzip
14:41.23\amethystcraigevil:  no, 0.8.6, which is what's in lenny
14:42.29themill\amethyst: that's almost as annoying as the hoops you have to jump through to get ff3 to accept self-signed certs.
14:42.52\amethystthemill:  more, since at least FF3 gives you warning if you're about to be MITM'd
14:43.07enouf\amethyst: even the newer dillo? wasn't it recently re.. er picked up for devel again?
14:43.13enoufoh.. ouch
14:43.27\amethystenouf:  I haven't tried, I was just looking at the lenny package, since there's an RC bug on it
14:43.43enoufi see - i read late - i'm all over the place
14:44.49\amethyst#debian-live -OFTC says the webhelper is supposed to be back up at some point
14:44.50themill\amethyst: is upstream actively working on a gtk2 port of dillo? If not, then it's going to get removed from the archive pretty soon anyway so don't waste time on it...
14:45.01TimothyApokes enouf
14:45.23enouftiancai: do you speak and write chinese? if so, do you find any issues with unicode/utf-8/locales? keymaps? compatibility? Which debian release?
14:45.26\amethystthemill:  but the gtk1.2 removal isn't until after lenny
14:45.36enoufprods back
14:45.38\amethystthemill:  this might be reason to remove dillo before lenny
14:45.59themill\amethyst: yep. no loss if it's dead upstream and will be removed straight after lenny's release anyway.
14:46.13themilldillo depends on wget? wtf?
14:46.15\amethystthemill:  it's not dead upstream anymore, but it's ancient upstream
14:46.21enoufthen perhaps make a comeback in Sid and backported in lenny+1 ;-)
14:46.27enoufis it?
14:46.47tiancai<PROTECTED>
14:47.40enouftiancai: excellent - can you show me cat /etc/default/locale output? thanks - i'm just curious how things are working as of late with regards to some of the tougher locales
14:47.50tiancaiChinese keymap is same as us keymap
14:48.13tiancaienouf:
14:48.42tiancaienouf: let me send you by email? or here?
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14:49.29enouftiancai: one line is fine - otherwise we all use a pastebin
14:49.32enouf!pastebin
14:49.32dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
14:49.54\amethystdoes anyone know of a web page with a self-signed certificate for the wrong hostname?
14:50.16xand\amethyst: why?
14:50.34\amethystxand:  to quote in a bug report for dillo.  I  have one, but I don't want to put it in the bug report because that's embarassing :)
14:50.40tiancaienouf: i can not find the /etc/default/locale file
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14:51.06\amethystxand:  (which is fine with me, but it might be embarrassing for my employer as well, which is not fine)
14:51.15cantidoAre there any locally-headless Xservers like the vnc one.. but not the vnc one?
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14:51.33enouftiancai: it's possible you don't have one - that's ok - you have /etc/environment?
14:51.37xand\amethyst: well... only my own, and it's not publically accessible
14:51.52tiancaienouf: let me check....
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14:52.11enouftiancai: i think /etc/default/locale was generated via the debian-installer at install time - and this one was Sarge, so might be a leftover
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14:53.58enouf\amethyst: you don't mean just an expired certificate, correct?
14:54.15tiancaienouf: you see my message?
14:54.15\amethystenouf:  right
14:54.38tiancaienouf: i see
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14:54.39enouf\amethyst: i can't think of any offhand - i'd have to browse around ;-)
14:54.57stoned_enkiduenouf, probably he means some certificates signed by third-party organisations
14:55.29stoned_enkidui.e. few pages with certs signed by task (pl)
14:55.42\amethystyes, a cert whose signature chain doesn't reach a trusted CA
14:55.47\amethystalso one for the wrong host
14:56.03tiancaienouf: in fact i edited a file /etc/X11/Xssession.d/95-x-input-set
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14:56.22enoufi recall hitting some of them, but it was long ago - can't recall .. ugh
14:56.34enouftiancai: nice
14:56.39tiancaithe contents i will show you in a chat box
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14:57.29enoufs/Xssession.d/Xsession.d/
14:58.28enouftiancai: i don't do 'chat boxes' .. unless you meant pm or something, which isn't necessary - a pastebin is cool, so all can see, and others watching will be helped possibly
14:59.03tiancaienouf: what is pastebin?
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14:59.31enoufwell, i know \amethyst saw this; but any others watching my initramfs-tools queries - this is the response so far;
14:59.33enouf<PROTECTED>
14:59.36enouf:-)
14:59.53enoufand -> enouf: better use update-initramfs, and if you want to digg man initramfs-tools
14:59.59stoned_enkidubless god we have pastebin, cause i can't imagine reading all logs on cell phone ;-)
15:00.03tiancaienouf: ok let me show you the contents line by line
15:00.18enouf!+tell tiancai -about pastebin
15:00.19dpkgtold tiancai about pastebin.
15:01.23tiancaienouf: i am trying pastebin now...please wait
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15:05.19\amethystoh dear, links2 and elinks have the same problem by default (they can but don't verify SSL certs)
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15:05.46\amethystthey at least provide the option to do so though
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15:07.23enouf\amethyst: ii  links2                  2.1pre28-1 even?
15:08.11enouf\amethyst: i'm able to fenagle my way into my yahoo mail account using links2 :-)
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15:08.36\amethystenouf:  2.2 here (sid)
15:08.56tiancaienouf: you can find my file in the pastebin now...http://paste.debian.net/24914
15:09.42tiancaienouf: and fcitx is a chinese input tool in linux
15:10.17tiancaienouf: chinese input had been a great problem to us in linux in the past
15:10.36\amethystenouf:  it lets me access the aforementioned site with a bad cert without giving me a warning.  Man elinks.conf tells me there's an option to set to turn on certificate validation, but I don't know about links2
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15:12.46enouf\amethyst: yikes - there was some reason i didn't upgrade yet - wait, let me check my settings
15:13.26TrueDDBonne année 2009 à tous
15:13.43tiancaienouf: you had seen my file?
15:13.50TrueDDHappy New Year !
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15:14.44enouftiancai: not yet - kind of busy atm here .. thanks
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15:15.52tiancaienouf: it is too late here, i will be off line now... if you have any question, please feel free to contact me at daili(at)people.com.cn
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15:30.01alarmhey there. and happy new year :)
15:30.44alarmi want to ask something that is not relevant at all with debian or linux. it has to do with english language. when said "Out of these you should select five or so key publications that span"  , five or so, means that it could be 4 , 5 or 6 ?
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15:31.17zxdhi
15:31.21xandhmm, the cal program has a bug
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15:32.38alarmdanke
15:32.56xand5 or so means roughly 5 :P
15:33.22alarmso, not more than 5
15:33.38xandcould be more than 5
15:33.56alarmokie, danke :)
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15:37.47mallxsHello all good new year
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15:48.53T_A_reeHello everybody !
15:49.16T_A_reeAnd a happy new tear !
15:49.22T_A_reeyear
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15:52.10T_A_reeI have a problem installing amd64 version of Virtual-Box on debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 with gdebi.
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15:53.47T_A_reeWhen i type " dpkg -i virtualbox-2.1_2.1.0-41146_Debian_lenny_amd64.deb" it returns "packet architecture doesnt match the system architecture (i386)"
15:54.26T_A_reeHowever my headers & image are 2.6.26-1amd64
15:54.45T_A_reeCould someone help me please ?
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15:55.31clamiaxhi
15:56.18T_A_reeHello clamiax.
15:56.29clamiaxI've trouble with my Labtec 1200 webcam on Debian Lenny. I just installed the gspca-modules-2.6-686 package and loaded the gspca module but my webcam still doesn't work. I googled a lot about and i've seen that lots of people uses the gspca sources in order to make their webcams works. Does anyone can point me to the right URI? THX in advanced.
15:56.42clamiax*advance
15:58.17T_A_reeAnyone awake here ?
15:58.53gionnT_A_ree, probably you have a 32 bits system with a 64 bits kernel
15:59.04gionnyou should use the 32 bits version
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15:59.15themillT_A_ree: what's the output of "uname -m"?
15:59.26T_A_reeno uname-r returns 2.6.26-1-amd64
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16:00.28dec3pti0nwhere does debian keep the postgres startup log ?
16:00.33T_A_reeand uname -m gives x86_64
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16:01.26themillT_A_ree: you can run an amd64 kernel but with a 32bit userspace.  What's the output of "dpkg --print-architecture"?
16:02.16T_A_reeyou are right it gives i386
16:02.33T_A_reeWhat should i do to change that ?
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16:03.06themillT_A_ree: you can't. If you want to install a different architecture, you need to reinstall. /msg dpkg debian clone
16:04.03T_A_reereinstall ? how ? (im pretty ignorant)
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16:05.33lostsonT_A_ree: he means reinstall the operating system
16:06.34T_A_reeDoes it man i should download the amd64 iso image, burn it and reinstall ?
16:06.43stonedgood morning
16:06.53stonedin the new year
16:07.40stonedT_A_ree, you don't have to get a image
16:07.54TimothyAwho in here still uses amd64? o.O
16:08.02Assidme me me
16:08.06stonedlots of people
16:08.10stonedthat unimportant
16:08.10Assidwhat do you mean still uses ?
16:08.11TimothyAslaps Assid
16:08.16TimothyAslaps a lot of people
16:08.21T_A_reeWhat do i have to do please ?
16:08.35TimothyAi found my amd64 3000+ to be underperforming my amd 2400+
16:08.36stonedT_A_ree, what do you think you have to do?
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16:09.11T_A_reeI don't know, im ignorant.
16:09.19stonedthen start reading
16:09.24stoned!tell T_A_ree -about ig
16:09.29stoned!tell T_A_ree -about debian clone
16:09.42lostsonTimothyA: I use amd_64 why ?
16:09.46clamiaxI also tried the gspca-source way but without results :-(
16:09.50orgthingyhi
16:09.56stonedclamiax, how did you 'try'?
16:09.57orgthingyFretsonFire package doesnt work o_O
16:10.01orgthingypython and GL errors
16:10.15clamiaxstoned: m-a i-a gspca
16:10.22stonedbe more specific. prepare a pastebin with logs.
16:10.31stonedclamiax, and the module builds or not?
16:10.37clamiaxstoned: what logs? O.o
16:10.42stonedclamiax, not for you
16:10.42clamiaxstoned: sure, i also loaded the gspca module
16:10.46clamiaxstoned: ah ok
16:10.49stonedclamiax, and what doesn't work?
16:10.59clamiaxstoned: nor cheese nor aMSN
16:11.13orgthingyk
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16:11.16stonedI don't know the two softwares
16:11.25clamiaxstoned: what software you use?
16:11.26stonedperhaps they need proper configuration for the video capture device
16:11.35stonedclamiax, I don't own a webcam
16:11.40clamiaxstoned: ok
16:11.52stonedclamiax, what is your software set to using the vid capture note?
16:11.53stonednode?
16:12.05stonedand which is the actual physical dev node mapped to your camera?
16:12.09stoneddo they match up?
16:12.18orgthingyhttp://pastebin.com/m40b30845
16:12.27orgthingythats what it says when i run "fretsonfire" in terminal
16:12.28orgthingy:-/
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16:12.52clamiaxstoned: cheese doesn't have any configuration panel/file, indeed
16:13.10stonedI would first try something like qcview or something
16:13.16stonedjudd versions qcview
16:13.17juddstoned: qcview --
16:13.19stoneddoh
16:13.29stonedsomething its called its a little gtk webcam app
16:13.30orgthingyso anybody has any idea?
16:13.34clamiaxmmh... IIRC there should be a gspcagui into the sources tarball, i'll try to run it
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16:14.03stonedorgthingy, looks like either you don't have open gl installed or the software game is looking for it in the wrong place, or that the source is actually broken
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16:14.14stonedorgthingy, try checking the BTS first on this package
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16:14.31orgthingyhmm, why didnt apt download opengl then
16:14.31orgthingyok
16:14.50stonedjudd versions gqcam
16:14.51juddstoned: gqcam -- etch: 0.9.1-3 lenny: 0.9.1-4 sid: 0.9.1-5
16:14.59stonedits not qccam, its GQ CAM!
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16:16.33clamiaxI have no /dev/video
16:17.08orgthingystoned
16:17.11stonedits supposed to be /dev/video?
16:17.11orgthingyon usenet
16:17.14orgthingythey told me to "apt-get install binutils"
16:17.16orgthingyit fixed it
16:17.25stonedorgthingy, ok good stuff
16:17.39orgthingywhy didnt binutils get installed when I did "apt-get install fretsonfire" ? I dont know, hope debian do on official Lenny
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16:17.43orgthingythanks a lot! bye
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16:27.02dec3pti0nanyone here uses postgres on debian ?
16:27.12schmedec3pti0n: Yes.
16:28.05dec3pti0ndo you know where does the pg_ctlcluster command throws the errors related to SHMMAX ? cause it does not go the pg_log files and nothing in /var/log
16:28.31dec3pti0nif debian had the regular pg_ctl cmd it would show on stdout but it doesn't
16:28.32xsdgdec3pti0n: is it actually throwing errors?
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16:28.54dec3pti0nit says that it failing to start and to check the log
16:29.12xsdghmm
16:29.18dec3pti0nit is due to the shared_buffer size setting whenever it's greater than 6GB
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16:29.25flexyI'm not getting splashy to show the splash image during boot. I get something like "splashy error connection refused" during boot, but not the image. splashy test shows the image fine. Any ideas what might be wrong?
16:30.05xsdgdec3pti0n: my guesses would be /var/log/daemon.log or any pg-specific logfiles
16:30.11dec3pti0nI know it's related to shared_buffer and SHMMAX because those are the things I'm changing .. SHMMAX = 32GB right now which should allow shared_buffer to be 12GB
16:30.24dec3pti0nxsdg, nope already checked that
16:30.25schmedec3pti0n: No idea.
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16:30.58dec3pti0nthat really is driving me crazy
16:31.23xsdgdec3pti0n: what version?
16:31.34dec3pti0nlatest 8.3.5 from backports
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16:32.22\amethysttarzeau:  are you around?
16:32.43xsdgdec3pti0n: if you're not seeing errors, I'd hit it with strace to try to get a handle on what's actually going on
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16:32.54xsdgdec3pti0n: or if pg_ctlcluster has any verbose options
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16:33.23dec3pti0ngood idea .. I'll try the strace
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16:43.19enouftarzeau: ping, pong, paddle - we have some links2 issues ;-)
16:43.32enoufcome back from the turkish sea please ;-)
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16:45.59tarzeau\amethyst: yes
16:46.04tarzeauenouf: which?
16:46.14\amethysttarzeau:  I sent you a /msg
16:46.33enouftarzeau: hi - thanks .. i believe \amethyst can explain it better
16:46.39tarzeau\amethyst: i just read, and answered
16:46.45\amethysttarzeau:  thanks
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16:49.24enouftarzeau: btw - you don't have any influence over the possible misformatted/conversion to html from latex(?) on this main site page, do you? (i'd doubt it - but anything we could send the site maintainer?) http://links.twibright.com/user_en.html
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16:50.19tarzeauenouf: i know the guy, wait
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16:51.14enoufsure - take your time
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16:52.02enouf\table[|l|l|] \topline Switch &Meaning \cr \midline -g &The browser will run in graphics mode\cr \midline -mode   <-- is one example of what i see, and what i mean - perhaps i should alter my Accept / Send Charset info options?
16:52.46enoufstoned: stop sending me memos, you were pulled out of the bozo box last night before i went to sleep ;-)
16:53.18stonedstop actin like a chic.
16:53.25stonedI have little patience for that.
16:53.26stonedthanks.
16:53.39stonedand happy new year buddy
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16:56.11dec3pti0nis there a backports channel ?
16:56.45stonedno
16:56.45stoneddec3pti0n, ask here
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16:57.03SparFuxHello everybody. Does anybody use debian's twinkle package?
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16:58.34geHey People! I just noticed, that lftp stores the password in its history file. Unbelievable. And I dont see a way to turn this of. Any ideas? Which ftp clients do you use?
16:58.52gewtdelete the history file.
16:59.02yitz_Use sftp
16:59.06gewtand I don't use the insecure ftp protocol.
16:59.12gewtI use scp
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16:59.19gewtand fi needed sftp
16:59.29gewtwith fielzilla
16:59.39stonedgewt, don't hit enter too much man
16:59.44yitz_winscp
16:59.50stonedwhy winscp?
16:59.55geso far i used "lftp sftp://host"
17:00.02gebut the password thing is darn ugly
17:00.05gewill check sftp now
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17:00.22gewtwinscp doesn't look too bad...
17:00.43stonedwhats wrong with openssh for windows?
17:00.49stonedcouple with powershell.
17:00.52yitz_I like WinSCP. I've used it a lot. I guess its just the feel I like...
17:01.04yitz_stoned: For starts, the OS is wrong
17:01.10stonedbut anyway, this is #debian
17:01.16stonedyou want to head over to ##windows
17:01.36enoufstoned: bozo boxes are built to house bozos ;-)
17:01.57gewtstoned, it's OK here if they're ftp'ing to dbeian :P
17:02.03enoufand last night - you were wearing more than clown shoes
17:02.06yitz_Oh. It is #debian. I guess no one is going to ask me to defend Linux, them ;)
17:02.13stonedenouf, please keep it on topic.
17:02.21saivinhi i had some centos question.  i can only see users logging in and logging out and my msg.  not like here. any settings?
17:02.21stonedgewt, sure
17:02.22enoufstoned: sure ..  buddy
17:02.27jelly-homeheh
17:02.44gewtthis is #debian not #centos!
17:03.14\amethysthe's saying that #centos is not very busy I think
17:03.18gewtoh
17:03.25stonedwhat has that go to do with us?
17:03.40jelly-homesaivin: they might just be all asleep.
17:03.43saivinyah. please read my q. i can see users but cant see anybody publicly talking like here. is there any settings?
17:04.06stonedsaivin, this is not a debian related issue.
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17:04.20stonedsaivin, fwiw, check your ignose settings perhaps?
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17:04.25clock_hoi
17:04.28jelly-homesaivin: try #freenode for irc channel setting questioms
17:04.32gewtthats a channel activity related question
17:04.36clock_hey someone wanted to tell me something about twibright webpage
17:05.13saivinthanks...
17:05.34clock_tarzeau: hey
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17:06.07enoufsaivin: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml and http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
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17:06.21enouf!customer
17:06.21dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
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17:07.21stonedfuck customers
17:07.27bolthow can I flag my ext3 partition to be scanned on next mount?
17:07.49enoufignore settings are network-wide .. unless ofcourse your client sucks ass
17:07.51jamonbolt: touch /forcefsck
17:08.03enoufyou dumbass
17:08.06stonedno they are not
17:08.10enoufyes they are
17:08.15avubolt, that's for the next boot though, not for the next mount
17:08.22boltavu: works for me :)
17:08.25stonedno they are $window based. and CTCP based
17:08.26jamonavu: good point
17:08.27avubolt, there's no such thing as a 'fsck on mount'
17:08.36enouf!avu++
17:08.39stonedor is that a client thing/
17:08.48stonedavu, are you sure?
17:08.48avu/ignore is a client-side feature
17:08.55boltavu: will it scan all ext3 partitions, or should I put that in the root of every partition's file system?
17:08.56enoufand network-wide
17:08.59stonedno I mean about fsck on mount
17:09.07stonedenouf, no it can be global.
17:09.09avustoned, of course
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17:09.14enoufman fsck
17:09.15stonedit doesn't have to be limited to its own network
17:09.21boltokie
17:09.24enoufuse 1 and 2 is field 6
17:09.28stonedand also, I know nothing does fsck when you mount
17:09.33enouf1 for / and 2 for all others
17:09.35stonedbut what happens when you reboot coldly
17:09.50enoufer .. use 1 and 2 in field 6
17:09.53stonedif you shutdown without shutting down the FS, it will start fsck on next boot before it mounts the volume
17:10.00cahootcreate an .forcefsck on the part?
17:10.02avustoned, so?
17:10.06stonedso something does check on mount
17:10.07enouf"own" network?
17:10.12stonedit checks for FS state
17:10.18avustoned, the file system has a dirty flag
17:10.22jamonstoned: using a mount count in fstab will force on mounting after a specified number no?
17:10.24stonedexactly
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17:10.35stonedavu, so fsck DOES happen then on mount
17:10.39stonedessentially
17:10.51stonedtyvm. point proved.
17:11.00avustoned, there still is no such thing as a 'fsck on mount'
17:11.05stonedI agree
17:11.07stoned:)
17:11.08gewtarchlinux forces fsck if the system is restarted without umounting everything and shutting down and stuff
17:11.09enoufjamon: yes, or a specified amount of days/time
17:11.20stonedavu, look closely what I was specifically trying to say
17:11.20gewti assuem other distros do too
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17:11.46avustoned, I looked closely at my logs and determined that speaking to you is of little use
17:11.46jelly-homegewt: the assumption would be incorrect for logging filesystems
17:11.51stonedactually you can make your own mount command.  write a script and +x it
17:11.54enoufhaha
17:11.58stonedmake it check for fsck before mount
17:11.59jelly-homegewt: like, say, ext3
17:12.09stonedavu, personal attacks don't bother me
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17:12.21stonedavu, it only shows me that you're witless, and a low life.
17:12.26stonedthanks
17:12.29jamonso to answer bolt's question..
17:13.09efaistoshmmm any idea why the repetition is not working anymore ?!
17:13.13jelly-homecahoot: /forcefsck actually
17:13.19efaistoskeyboard repetition ...
17:13.44cahootjelly-home: hmm only a tiny dot wrong
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17:15.09PolarinaHow do I change the frequency of my CPU so it won't drop to 800 MHz all the time, even if I'm running a program requiring all the processing power there is.
17:15.13Polarina?
17:16.01jamonPolarina: can you specify why you want to? generally power management and cpu scaling is a *good* thing
17:16.23RichiHwhat's the debian BTS email interface magic keyword to tell BTS i found the same bug in a newer version, as well?
17:16.34PolarinaI have a application using 100% CPU on all cores, and it won't increase the MHz.
17:16.38stonedRichiH, uhhh what?
17:16.41cahootPolarina: is this in any way related to if you run on batteryr or not?
17:17.07Polarinacahoot: I'm running on AC power now.
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17:17.40\amethystPolarina:  do you use GNOME?
17:17.46PolarinaYes.
17:17.51cahootPolarina: asking since my t61 refused to speed up after switch from batt to ac
17:18.06Polarina\amethyst: But the applet won't give me a option to change the frequency.
17:18.24\amethystPolarina:  oh, just saw that
17:18.50enoufPolarina: run/install cpufreq-utils and read the man pages
17:19.01Polarinaenouf: What pages?
17:19.14enoufdpkg -L <pkgname>
17:19.14dpkgii  <pkgname>                 2.9-11.2           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
17:19.42stoneduhm
17:19.44Polarinaenouf: And there's no such package named cpufreq-utils
17:19.50stoneddpkg are you smoking crack?
17:19.51dpkgstoned: wish i knew
17:20.04enoufPolarina: though - IINM, there was something about laptop-mode and the /etc/acpi/* scripts that might interfere when on AC vs battery?
17:20.13enoufgrah
17:20.20\amethystPolarina:  there are a number of programs to let you set that.  cpudyn, cpufrequtils, powernowd, cpufrequtils
17:20.24cahootPolarina: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
17:20.25enouf!cpufreqd
17:20.28enouf!cpufreq
17:20.28dpkgit has been said that cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle.
17:20.55jamoni've just always had powernowd installed, works fine here
17:20.55Polarinacahoot: 2101000
17:21.02\amethystPolarina:  I don't have speedstep/powernow, though, so I couldn't tell you how to configure them
17:21.07enouf!+tell Polarina -about search
17:21.08dpkgtold Polarina about search.
17:21.09tarzeauclock_: ask enouf
17:21.18tarzeauenouf: it's him, links2 author (1/4)
17:21.32enoufclock_: ? tarzeau ?
17:21.33PolarinaI'm asking here because the tools won't help me.
17:21.48cahootPolarina: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:21.55jelly-homePolarina: can you pastebin the output of for s in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*; do echo $s; cat $s; done ?
17:22.11jamonPolarina: you're running a stock debian kernel too right?
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17:22.18Polarinacahoot: userspace
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17:22.31cahootchange to ondemand?
17:22.51PolarinaHow?
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17:23.21cahootcat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
17:23.45Polarinajelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/gjEayt22.html
17:23.52enoufcheck BTS as well Polarina
17:24.06cnuhow do i debootstrap lenny? i tried downloading /debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10.tar.gz, but there is no lenny file inside it ^^
17:24.59\amethystcnu:  debootstrap is a program you run that will download whatever version you tell it
17:25.17\amethystcnu:  debootstrap lenny /the/mount/point
17:25.21Polarinacahoot: See the pastey.
17:25.25cahootPolarina: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
17:25.27enoufclock_: may i pm you? or .. when you're ready - pm me, and i'll reply - oh, i hope your registered .. or we can do this in channel
17:25.44cnu\amethyst, i tried that, but apparently it was looking for a lenny script (there was other scripts named sid,sarge etc in the directory, but i found no lenny)
17:25.55\amethysthm
17:25.58themill\amethyst: debootstrap needs to know what "lenny" means.
17:26.01jamoncnu: that's a pretty out of date version of debootstrap you're using
17:26.12Polarinacahoot: It changed the governor, but it's still at 800 MHz.
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17:26.24enoufPolarina: what CPU?
17:26.27jamoncnu: is this a sarge box?
17:26.34enoufPolarina: how's your BIOS settings? Speedstep enabled?
17:26.44Polarinaenouf: Intel Core 2.
17:26.48cnujamon, no it's some gentoo thing
17:26.51Polarinaenouf: Yes, enabled.
17:27.05jelly-homePolarina: it's supposed to be at the lowest unless there's an actual cpu needy process
17:27.19Polarinajelly-home: I have one running at 100%.
17:27.21enoufPolarina: does it work when you're on Battery?
17:27.28Polarinajelly-home: Both cores.
17:27.34Polarinaenouf: No idea.
17:27.35themillcnu: install the debootstrap package from lenny and then it should work fine.
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17:27.44enoufPolarina: dpkg -l laptop-mode*
17:27.57enoufPolarina: show only 1 line - if installed
17:28.12jelly-homePolarina: which app?  does if change if you run a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & in the background
17:28.14enoufPolarina: well, plug in the battery ;-)
17:28.14Polarinaun  laptop-mode-tools                 <none>                            (no description available)
17:28.24Polarinajelly-home: dnetc
17:28.29cnuthemill, i found the download link here, so i think i got lenny version? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/debootstrap
17:28.34Polarinaenouf: It's plugged in, so is the charer.
17:28.38Polarinacharger*
17:28.45enoufPolarina: so unplug the charger
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17:29.16Polarinaenouf: Maybe that governor is broken.
17:29.16themillcnu: you want the .deb not the .tar.gz though. The .deb contains /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/lenny
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17:29.29enoufPolarina: the one in Illlinois certainly is
17:29.34enoufO_o
17:29.41\amethystohh
17:29.47PolarinaOk, thank you. conservative works.
17:29.53cnuthemill, i see, just need to find some .deb program then ^^ thank you!
17:30.10\amethystcnu:  the lenny script is just a link to the sid script
17:30.17enoufheh
17:30.20\amethystcnu:  so ln -s sid lenny should be fine
17:30.34cnuah, even better
17:30.36\amethystcnu:  it gets created in the makefile
17:30.43themillunlikely to work
17:30.47\amethyst(as part of make install)
17:30.51themill(in fact, I know it doesn't work)
17:30.51\amethystthemill:  that's what make install does
17:30.55\amethysthm
17:31.00enoufc'mon .. that illinois governor thing was hilarious! ... sheesh
17:31.07themill\amethyst: yes, but the sid script has changed over time
17:31.15\amethystah
17:31.54yitz_sends \amethyst back to #bash
17:31.56themill\amethyst: so if you have an old version of the sid script (from when sid was approximately sarge rather than sid being approximately lenny) then it doesn't work. If you've just got the latest tarball, then it is probably ok.
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17:32.30yitz_Which version is "testing"?
17:32.44\amethystthemill:  sounded like he got the latest tarball  (he said /debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.10.tar.gz)
17:32.52themillyitz_: lenny, which is (hopefully!) soon to be released.
17:32.57\amethystthemill:  I think he's debootstrapping from a non-debian system
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17:33.18yitz_Oh. Right. I guess I'm using testing already... No crashes so far.
17:33.18themill\amethyst: true, in which case he's OK. Grabbing the .deb is still fine though. ar and tar normally exist.
17:33.19jamonsomeone just link to the lenny script ffs
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17:33.56exmachina2ok I'm having problems with Enhanced RTC support
17:34.19\amethystthemill:  true
17:34.27jamonhere cnu http://jamon.ca/files/lenny
17:34.36cnujamon, thank you
17:34.39jamon:)
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17:35.51cnunow it works :>
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17:36.06jamonexcellt, one more machien running lenny goodness
17:36.12simonrvnok... now zsh hilights the part of the match that matches...
17:36.17simonrvnhigh*
17:36.56enoufis that a good thing simonrvn?
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17:37.25simonrvnit's nice, aesthetically ok, not essential.
17:37.34enoufi see
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17:39.58simonrvnsay i do ^r (search in history backward) first char. i type, it'll underline it. dunno if it has anything to do with running in screen or not.
17:40.16simonrvnand continue to underline as i type more chars in
17:41.33enoufsimonrvn: yeah, zsh behaves differently, when i tried grml, i noticed some oddness i wasn't used to concerning that and tab completion and such
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17:41.40jackwebhello
17:41.51jackwebI've got a problem with starting Debian.
17:41.56enouf!wb jackweb
17:41.56dpkgO frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!  jackweb has returned!
17:42.06simonrvnheh
17:42.15jackwebThere are two kernel panics:
17:42.33jackwebthe first: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
17:43.05jackwebthe last: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0, 0)
17:43.07TimothyAwhat good is a panicing kernel?
17:43.19dvsTimothyA: none.
17:43.25jackwebthe problem is after restarting computer by button on PC
17:43.27enoufjackweb: learn you LVM before you mess with it
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17:44.21enoufand use an initrd, and learn how to build a kernel properly since you're not using a debian one :-P
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17:44.44enouffires off many presumptions .. today ;-)
17:44.59jackwebI had to use it, because the system didn't response
17:45.12jackwebMagic SysRq Key didn't run
17:45.36jackwebI tried to fsck -f /dev/mypartiton
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17:48.41simonrvn&ff enouf
17:48.43ravenbirdenouf: fartfish
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17:49.37enoufmmmm .. fish! .. nomnomnom
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17:51.07r0ninwhen you use the open source ati driver is there a dri module that should be loaded?
17:52.09bob1478654I have download a program called "multimon" and want to output the result of the command to a file!! i've tried: multimon -a DTMF &> /tmp/file  but the file is empty
17:52.09jelly-homer0nin: "radeon"
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17:52.31jelly-homer0nin: oh, that'd be a drm module.
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17:52.47jackwebsorry, but I am ill ;)
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17:53.59r0ninoh there loaded... ive got horrably fps in gta2 dont know why
17:56.33simonrvnenouf: no, it isn't dependent on screen or quirks thereof; it's all over (had some old zshells still running, not logged out)
17:57.17enoufsimonrvn: that's nice to know ;-)
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17:57.45simonrvnit is neat... *shrug*
17:57.51r0ninive got a intel_agp module loaded wouldnt that be for the onboard gpu ive got? how do I know my onboard is disabled?
17:58.35enoufr0nin: lspci -k (if lenny or better)
17:59.24r0ninwhat am I looking for?
18:00.04enoufon mine Kernel modules: intel-agp is beneath agp-intel which both are supporting the AGP Bridge
18:00.04r0ninI see my onboard intel 815 Chipset AGP
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18:00.21enoufer Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel i meant
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18:01.04simonrvnenouf: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-Term.png
18:01.16simonrvnright above the cursor
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18:02.00enoufsimonrvn: eww .. nasty
18:02.18enoufwt4x is that? a spellchecker? hahah
18:02.32simonrvnhehe
18:02.46simonrvnsome new feature *shrug*
18:02.58avucame in the newest zsh version
18:03.07simonrvnyeh
18:03.14avualthough aside from C-(r|s), I haven't seen it used yet
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18:03.35avuit's supposed to be able to do highlighting of any kind
18:03.38enoufsomeone always has got to mess with something .. and make it worse .. ugh
18:03.50avuso in theory, one could build stuff like the highlighting in fish
18:03.53enoufjust like AOLonline and MPoop
18:04.06avuwhich I think is nice
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18:04.29avu(showing you through color when the command you wrote was found in yout PATH and stuff like that)
18:04.44enoufdrops a blacklight into avu's aquarium to highlight the fish
18:05.05darethyou refering to the kde ioslave fish?
18:05.09avuenouf, thanks a lot, now you've got me occupied for days to come :(
18:05.15avudareth, no, fish the shell
18:05.17simonrvnlike i said, it's cute, but not essential.
18:05.33avusure it isn't. most of zsh's features aren't. ;)
18:05.52simonrvn(standard disclaimers apply)
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18:06.31simonrvnhehe, yeh true, but i'm hooked on the completion... bash's still doesn't cut it for me.
18:06.39avusame here
18:06.56enoufr0nin: fwiw - i have; agpgart                28776  3 drm,nvidia_agp,intel_agp
18:07.12enoufnvidia_agp              6108  0
18:07.12enoufintel_agp              22300  1
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18:07.35enoufr0nin: intel 440bx chipset w/nvidia gf2 card
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18:08.35pipelinezsh is crazy
18:08.37enoufr0nin: does /dev/agpgart exist?
18:08.40pipelineit has features I can't even imagine
18:09.03r0ninenouf: yea
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18:09.55enoufr0nin: dmesg | grep -i agp
18:10.10enoufr0nin: dmesg | egrep -i 'agp|intel|gart' even
18:10.55simonrvnpipeline: like i have aliases like:
18:11.11r0ninenouf: http://pastebin.com/d1136c1b2
18:11.18simonrvnalias -g L=' | less'
18:11.20r0ninthat dosent look good
18:11.30stonedwhat?
18:11.36simonrvni.e., stick a | less after it
18:11.36stonedwhat are you people doing?
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18:11.56simonrvno_O
18:12.35enoufr0nin: pastebin output of lspci -nnk
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18:13.13enoufr0nin: and tell me your issue - it says on bus 00000000000 which is weird - and dmesg also says it's putting it in 1x agp mode ;-)
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18:13.38enoufthough r0nin BusID 000000000 is the AGP Host Bridge here
18:13.55r0ninhttp://pastebin.com/d2cc6f6b
18:14.11enoufoh wait - maybe not even;
18:14.12enouf00:00.0 0600: 8086:7190 (rev 03)
18:14.12enouf<PROTECTED>
18:14.45enoufr0nin: i said -nnk dammit! wtf?
18:14.55enoufnow just do -nk
18:14.55r0nindidn't work with k
18:15.01enoufubuntu?
18:15.21r0nindebian etch
18:15.34enoufr0nin: ahh .. i mentioned IF lenny/sid - you never replied
18:16.00enoufr0nin: do just -n now
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18:16.35r0ninhttp://pastebin.com/d2e97ef67
18:16.43enoufintel-agp is correct for your Host Bridge
18:16.44r0ninis lenny out yet?
18:16.51enoufit's available, sure
18:17.00enoufit's not Released as Stable though, no
18:18.14r0ninwhys it putting the device in 1x mode? should be 4 or maybe 8
18:19.18enoufr0nin: i'm trying to work out why - let's see here ... radeonfb is what grep '1002.*5961' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap tells me that card should use,but that's not correct anymore than nvidiafb is what mine should
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18:19.39simonrvnlspci -tv is rather neat
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18:20.18enoufr0nin: i have a 2x/4x AGP card, but the Host AGP Bridge on this 440bx chipset can only do 2x hence, it's in 2x mode
18:20.33mordysimonrvn - what's -t supposed to do?
18:20.41simonrvntree view
18:20.46mordyoh, tree
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18:21.09simonrvn* spits
18:21.21mordyi use -v with almost any command possible :P
18:21.34simonrvnheh
18:22.51enoufr0nin: in your BIOS, is Primary Video Adapter set to AGP? is that 9200 radeon an AGP Card? is any/all Onboard Video Disabled in the BIOS?
18:23.33r0ninthere no option like that in the bios, that I remember
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18:24.51enoufr0nin: well, do you have video if you pull out the 9200?
18:25.12enoufhow about answering the questions i asked instead ;-)
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18:26.13enoufr0nin: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep radeon
18:26.15r0niner I can try I guess
18:26.28enoufr0nin: and then -   grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep ati
18:27.25r0ninhttp://pastebin.com/d384350fc
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18:28.07r0ninshould remove teh gpu? im sure it'll work once its back on the onboard
18:28.48r0ninI*
18:28.51enoufr0nin: er.. those are 8x AGP Cards
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18:28.58enoufyou can't use those, iinm
18:29.03mordysimonrvn, -t works with lsusb, but it sucks that i can't get it to show device names with -t, it only gives the hex IDs
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18:29.29r0ninwhy?
18:29.32enoufahh crap
18:29.34enouf* RV280 - Radeon 9200, 9200 Pro, 9250SE (AGP 8x), 9250 (AGP 8x)
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18:29.43r0ninyea thats my card
18:29.44enoufbecause your chipset doesn't support it
18:30.05r0ninshouldn't it be backward compatable?
18:30.07enoufit actually shouldn't fit in the slot :-P
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18:30.30enoufheh .. it's a different voltage ,.. dang .. i forget all the damned details
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18:30.31r0ninive got a agp slot, dont remember the speed
18:30.45enoufr0nin: see intel.com
18:30.48enoufthey'll know
18:30.48IamSOGgonna be 2X 4X or 8X :P
18:30.53mordyi don't thihnk i've ever even seen an AGP slot
18:31.00enoufand 815 is not 8x
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18:31.05zloogI have ssh installed on a computer attached to a large screen TV and I want to send an mplayer command to that computer over ssh and have that TV play my video. Anyone know how I can do that?
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18:31.08r0ninit worked fine in windoze and ran ut2004 fine
18:31.32enouf<PROTECTED>
18:31.42enoufsame PC?
18:31.46r0ninyes
18:32.11enoufr0nin: upgrade to Lenny then, or play with fglrx then
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18:33.06enoufr0nin: and mordy http://www.criticalcables.com/websiteinfo.asp?fc=141
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18:34.33enoufr0nin: ask #radeon if your driver in etch's X version supports DRM and 3D .. pretty sure the 9200 should do so fine
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18:35.13enoufr0nin: something is wrong with that 1x agp mode though .. oh .. hrm do this; lsmod | grep edac
18:35.14mordyahh.. i see.. last  computer i had still had isa/pci, and now this one only has pcie/pci :P
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18:36.23mordyzloog, you're simply using  that TV as your montior?
18:36.37r0ninlsmod | grep edac wasen't found
18:36.44enoufok
18:36.58enoufr0nin: had you used fglrx prior?
18:37.20r0ninnot with this install
18:38.01enoufr0nin: try #debian-x on irc.debian.org - but you're going to have to be very forthcoming and patient - i've been pulling teeth here
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18:38.18enoufr0nin: and show them your pastebins
18:38.23simonrvnbo diddley RIP. he will be missed.
18:38.47zloogmordy: Right now I just want to use it as a monitor, yea
18:38.55simonrvn(yeh, old news, but legends like that ... )
18:38.59mordyzloog, then i don't see why you should have a problem
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18:39.20mordywell, you will need to specify where your  $SCREEN is
18:39.25mordyerr $DISpLAY
18:39.36zloogmordy: yea, how do i specify that?
18:39.56zloogmordy cause if i just do it niavly it says it cant open that display
18:40.07zloogsorry, learning to type on eeepc
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18:40.26enoufsshin, then echo #DISPLAY=:0
18:40.28enoufer
18:40.28shahri_hi, I'm having some trouble installing nvidia drivers on 2.6.28
18:40.31enoufsshin, then echo DISPLAY=:0
18:40.32mordysomething like export DISPLAY=hostname:0.0 usually, i think
18:40.34r0ninalright thanks for the help enouf
18:40.38r0ninlater
18:40.42enoufcrap
18:40.43zloogthanks!
18:40.46enoufi'm tired
18:40.52enoufyes, export, teehee
18:40.52shahri_when I run the installer script, it tells me I need to have sources configured etc., but that should be the case
18:41.07shahri_I compiled 2.6.28 as .deb and then installed the .deb for sources as well
18:41.13shahri_is there anything I should've done after this?
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18:42.34enoufshahri_: you have the kernel-headers pkg available? you should
18:42.46shahri_yup, I installed them as .deb as well
18:42.46zloognow the programs complain about not being able to open 192.168.1.2:0.0
18:43.08mordydoes mplayer use X?
18:43.16enoufshahri_: ahh crap - ignore me
18:43.32shahri_hmm
18:43.37shahri_so, any ideas?
18:43.41zloogmordy it does but I'm just trying to use gedit right now in order to simplfy
18:43.47enoufshahri_: Installer script implies nvidia.run - ask #nvidia
18:43.57shahri_okay, thanks :)
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18:44.44mordyzloog, you'll need to use ssh -X (or -Y) then
18:44.54mordythere may be some other stuff you'll need to do, forgot  already
18:44.59zloogmordy ahh ill try that
18:45.08simonrvnmordy: Y use Y?
18:45.11simonrvn;p
18:45.14mordylol
18:45.52mordyi'm just trying to  throw ideas and pointers out there, i forgot the details of how to do that already
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18:47.43mordyalthough i should remember this stuff :|
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18:51.39mordygah, why is my "9" chopped off in the terminal?
18:51.53mordyand i'm not even using any framebuffer
18:52.17JabkaHow can i log into remote X session not in x/g/kdm but from a running session for like with vnc
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18:52.58abrotmanlike .. VNC
18:53.18abrotmanif you're using gnome/kde they have programs that work like remote desktop to allow people to connect
18:53.21JabkaI mean like with xdmc
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18:53.44Jabka*xdmcp
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18:55.48JabkaI meen to connect directly to dm and not to some server (vnc )
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18:55.56mordyyou want to log into an already running and active session remotely?
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18:56.10Jabkano , start a new one
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18:56.30Jabkaas with when i have 3 diffrent X's on local pc
18:56.36simonrvnuh
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18:57.04simonrvnshuts up about xdcmp and servers...
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18:57.23Jabkais it bad to ask about it ?
18:57.26mordylol
18:57.38mordywell, you just want to run a remote X session
18:58.16simonrvnno, not bad
18:58.17mordyforgot how to do it, but it's pretty simple
18:58.35Jabkathe question is how to do it from allready running session
18:58.37mordybut it involves allowing X to accept remote connections
18:58.41Jabkadid it
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18:58.47enoufhow
18:59.11\amethystJabka:  do you have gdm configured to allow you to connect to remote hosts?
18:59.22\amethystJabka:  if so you can use gdmflexiserver --xnest
18:59.27Jabkaenouf , http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
18:59.35enouf...
18:59.36mordyXnest will open a new X session in a window
18:59.40\amethystJabka:  otherwise you can probably do something with Xnest directly
18:59.47Jabkawent to read man about gdmflexiserver
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18:59.59simonrvnenouf: hehe
19:00.34Jabkaxnest , this was what i need thanks
19:00.38enoufthere are XWilling and Xaccess and Chooser options
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19:01.02enoufthat's not a new x server
19:01.13\amethystxnest is an x server
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19:01.21\amethyst(and an X client)
19:01.27enoufno it isn't - it's nested
19:01.46\amethystall that means is that it displays to X rather than directly to the hardware
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19:02.11yitz_How can I set the resolution used by the Greeter?
19:02.12Jabkaperheps im wrong but i need a client that can connect to some dm in a window
19:02.13enoufwonderful - it's not a server if it can't talk to hardware through xlib
19:02.15exmachinanvidia installer can't identify my source tree
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19:02.55exmachinaeven though the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is pointing to the proper /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/ folder
19:03.04mordyjabka, xnest will do that, just run ?dm in xnest
19:03.10\amethystenouf:  by that argument, xvfb and xvnc aren't X servers either
19:03.26Jabkamordy , Xnest :10 -query somecoolip
19:03.27mordyhow do i suspend irssi?
19:03.33exmachinai was told to have a proper source tree using the .config file
19:03.35exmachinawhat does that mean
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19:03.51enouf\amethyst: right
19:04.06abrotmanexmachina: why did you compile your own kernel? why are you using the nvidia .run on Debian?
19:04.09enouf\amethyst: but i'm just being difficult - sorry man .. nm me
19:04.40exmachinaabrotman because I like having a lean kernel?
19:04.49exmachinaI'm using nvidia's .run because apt-get doesn't work?
19:05.06\amethystbuild your own kernel with make-kpkg
19:05.11abrotmanso basically, you're not using any of the debian packages, but you want us to help you?
19:05.27exmachinai thought i was supposed to use make menuconfig
19:05.34abrotmanhow could we possibly know how you screwed up your kernel, or how the nvidia .run works
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19:06.19\amethystexmachina:  the debian way is to use make-kpkg (package kernel-package), then install the generated linux-headers and linux-image packages; then the debian nvidia packages should be able to find it
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19:06.45exmachina\amethyst thanks
19:06.48enoufnot so easy if you're building .28 :-p
19:06.56exmachinai'm building .28 =P
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19:07.17\amethystcan't you use make-kpkg on the upstream tarball?
19:07.29\amethysterr, in the unpacked tarball that is
19:07.34JabkaIf we are talking about kernels what can i do about a certian patch for the kernel ? bug #508039 i wish to have this type of kernel
19:07.57JabkaOr i really have to rebuild the kernel myself ?
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19:08.38simonrvn!dbugs 508039
19:08.40\amethystJabka:  since those are compile-time options, yes.  you can do so using make-kpkg
19:08.42dpkg#508039:I[linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64] linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64: The 8'th and higheir sound cand isn't detected (); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:51:01 UTC []
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19:09.17Jabka\amethyst , i meen is there allready built kernel with this option ?
19:09.17\amethystJabka:  you can edit the .config before doing make-kpkg
19:09.22mordyhow do i suspend irssi? is there a way?
19:09.34simonrvn^z
19:09.35\amethystJabka:  probably not, given the age of the bug
19:09.44boltevery half hour or so I get an email saying I have 1 offline uncorrectable sector on my drive. I ran "smartctl --test=long /dev/hda" and now "smartctl --attributes --log=selftest --quietmode=errorsonly /dev/hda" returns this ttp://pastebin.com/f3eb9b2f8   Is my drive dying? "smartctl -H /dev/hda" says overal-health self-assessment result is "PASSED" which has me confused
19:09.55mordysimonrvn, doesn't work with this :|
19:10.11simonrvnsomething's blocking it then
19:10.17mordyactually, none of the ^ keycodes work with it
19:10.36Jabka\amethyst , only one month that is too old ? or it is to young
19:10.41\amethystJabka:  too young
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19:11.03\amethystJabka:  the bug has not received a reply from the maintainers yet
19:11.28Jabka\amthyst , oo got now
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19:12.16mordyerr... how do i detatch a screen session? again, keycodes
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19:12.31DragoraN_hi
19:12.34simonrvnfix you control key ;)
19:12.37simonrvnyour*
19:12.40DragoraN_how to specify username and password for nfs mounting?
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19:13.03mordyit's not my control key, i'm guessing irssi blocks it out
19:13.14simonrvnyou mean for kerberos nfsv4 ?
19:13.14Jabkawill wait a week or two to build a kernel with this .config options (508039) building in a VM with 256 Mb ram
19:13.22mordyand screen to won't listen to it, i do remember there was a keycode for doing that, but forgot which one
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19:13.51simonrvnDragoraN_: ^^^
19:14.26DragoraN_simonrvn: nfs filesystem..
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19:14.50simonrvnuh, yeh.
19:15.18simonrvnman mount; man nfs. do you see any user/group stuff there?
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19:16.20DragoraN_simonrvn: no
19:16.21DragoraN_:(
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19:17.28boltcan anyone tell if my harddrive is suicidal or not?
19:18.04Gm4nhas it been depressed lately?
19:18.14yitz_This might sound weird, but it there some tool for editing Windows Registries?
19:19.17boltGm4n: yep. every half hour or so I get an email saying I have 1 offline uncorrectable sector on my drive. I ran "smartctl --test=long /dev/hda" and now "smartctl --attributes --log=selftest --quietmode=errorsonly /dev/hda" returns this http://pastebin.com/f3eb9b2f8   Is my drive dying? "smartctl -H /dev/hda" says overal-health self-assessment result is "PASSED" which has me confused
19:19.22HardDisk_WPhow do I allow $user to send ICMP PING packets without having to set the program to root uid?!
19:19.46HardDisk_WPas the program is publically available
19:19.47boltping should be available to normal users
19:19.58DragoraN_simonrvn: can you tell me?
19:20.04HardDisk_WPi don't use normal ping
19:20.26HardDisk_WPi use raw sockets to avoid messing with dozens of different ping output formats
19:21.03themillhave you looked at the permissions of /bin/ping?
19:21.03HardDisk_WP-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 31K 2007-10-28 22:59 /bin/ping
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19:21.07HardDisk_WPit's suid
19:21.11Gm4nbolt: I don't know much, but that doesn't look healthy to me...
19:21.16HardDisk_WPbut I do not want to exec() ping, as said
19:21.24HardDisk_WPcan I make some kind of "exception" for the socket?
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19:21.43themillHardDisk_WP: so make l33tping suid too
19:21.52HardDisk_WPno
19:21.58HardDisk_WPthis is a publically available irc bot
19:22.17HardDisk_WPand I in no way will make /usr/bin/php suid^^
19:22.17HardDisk_WPso I have to avoid SUID
19:22.37themillwhy does php need to be suid?
19:22.55\amethystyou might be able to do it with setpcaps
19:23.05\amethystthemill:  because Linux doesn't have setuid scripts?
19:23.13\amethystand this is apparently a PHP script
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19:23.22simonrvnDragoraN_: nfs doesn't use user/group - read up on it, i gave you what you need to read already.
19:23.37themill\amethyst: php doesn't need to be suid to run a different program that is suid.
19:24.03abrotmanshouldn't that be a ##php question ?
19:24.11\amethystyeah, I'm still not sure what's wrong with execing ping
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19:24.23themillHardDisk_WP: have you reimplemented /bin/ping in php now?
19:25.02boltneeds a new wheel...
19:25.08boltthe old ones are too round
19:25.19themill:)
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19:26.40HardDisk_WP\amethyst, different output formats on different platforms
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19:27.15HardDisk_WPthemill, only the basic ping which just measures the time...I copied it from http://de2.php.net/manual/de/ref.sockets.php#42466
19:27.16DragoraN_simonrvn: ok, so i will add user "root" to nfs server as allowed?
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19:27.26HardDisk_WPUnder M$ it works
19:27.45\amethystHardDisk_WP:  and the mechanisms for giving a user program raw socket access also differ from one OS to another, if it's even possible
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19:28.54HardDisk_WP\amethyst, and exec'ing something SUID from something what is publically available is a bad idea in general IMO
19:29.20simonrvnDragoraN_: what are trying to do?
19:29.21\amethystyou're going to have to give additional privileges regardless
19:29.25simonrvnare you*
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19:30.18\amethystit's just a matter of whether you give those priveleges to everything the user runs or only the processes that need it.  a setuid app is supposed to be a security boundary
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19:30.30HardDisk_WP\amethyst, it's not necessary at all under windows, and actually I don't care about anything other than linux or windows
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19:30.37HardDisk_WPas said, it works without any special needs on winblows
19:30.44HardDisk_WP\amethyst, yes, under linux. but how do I do it without using setuid or sudo, that is the question
19:30.51linux_stuis debian-eeepc.img lenny or etch?  (from http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/images/debian-eeepc.img)
19:31.03\amethystHardDisk_WP:  with setpcaps probably
19:31.17linux_stuor how can i tell whether i am running lenny or etch?
19:31.21\amethystHardDisk_WP:  Unix does not normally let non-root users create raw sockets
19:31.50HardDisk_WPkk
19:31.52\amethystHardDisk_WP:  in Linux, capabilities allow that particular privilege to be granted/revoked independent of the others
19:32.22\amethystHardDisk_WP:  but that still requires the cooperation of root (possibly through pam) to grant the capabilities
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19:32.42\amethysthm
19:32.52HardDisk_WP\amethyst, I am root on that machine
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19:34.20\amethystHardDisk_WP:  Linux 2.6.24 supposedly supports file-based capabilities, though I don't know if it's enabled in Debian
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19:34.45\amethystHardDisk_WP:  http://www.friedhoff.org/posixfilecaps.html
19:34.50abrotman!tell linux_stu about eeepc
19:35.18HardDisk_WPthanks
19:35.26\amethystHardDisk_WP:  if you can get that to work (I haven't used it), you could add the pcap_net_raw capability to /usr/bin/php5
19:35.29linux_stuoh ok abrotman.
19:36.10\amethystHardDisk_WP:  otherwise, you can try to figure out some way to grant the capability to the web server or whatever is supposed to be executing the script
19:36.30aiuwAny tools to help create a custom linux installation?
19:36.30HardDisk_WPkk
19:36.41\amethystHardDisk_WP:  either way, you'll know more about capabilties when you're done than I do now :)
19:36.59HardDisk_WP:p
19:38.49yitz_Can someone recommend an CLI mp3tag tool?
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19:39.21HardDisk_WPoh, crap. the vserver is running 2.6.9 kernel
19:39.24\amethystyitz_:  id3, id3tool, id3v2
19:39.27HardDisk_WPso no pcaps :/
19:39.36sh4d3sl4y3r_2.6.9 ? lmao
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19:39.47\amethystyitz_:  oh, and mp3info
19:39.47yitz_\amethyst: Thanks
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19:40.40HardDisk_WPsh4d3sl4y3r_, some strange custom RHEL vserver build. It makes me stay on Debian Stable, because the kernel mods by RHEL do not like Debian testing's libc
19:40.55\amethystHardDisk_WP:  it might have pcaps, but not file-based (like the suid bit); if it has capabilities at all you'll have to grant them to the user running the script
19:41.02sh4d3sl4y3r_RHEL is outdated always neways with the cost of so called stability
19:41.36sh4d3sl4y3r_Debian testing is a perfect balance between current packages with stability
19:41.43HardDisk_WPsh4d3sl4y3r_, and the worst is: RHEL uses rpm
19:41.49HardDisk_WPand rpm sucks
19:41.55sh4d3sl4y3r_lol i know better
19:42.03sh4d3sl4y3r_used one rpm distro for 5 years
19:42.18sh4d3sl4y3r_nothing matches the debian package management
19:42.22HardDisk_WPand what the worst is... a SuSE RPM doesn't need to work on a RH...
19:42.28HardDisk_WPsh4d3sl4y3r_, oh, one thing does
19:42.31HardDisk_WPgentoo...
19:42.35sh4d3sl4y3r_no.thts the issue man
19:42.47HardDisk_WPbut it's a nightmare to having it on a non-server
19:43.01sh4d3sl4y3r_gentoo is not at all good for severing
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19:44.07sh4d3sl4y3r_abrotman are you there?
19:44.25abrotmanno!
19:44.34sh4d3sl4y3r_affirmative
19:44.45abrotmanwht?
19:44.46abrotmanwhy?
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19:45.00sh4d3sl4y3r_well i need a good documentation on debian packaging
19:45.45abrotman!tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about mg
19:46.10sh4d3sl4y3r_ok, thank you
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19:48.20LoveGuruabrotman: Hi, how u doing sir :)
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19:49.11iShockIf I set up an icecast2 server, how can I stream to it?
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19:55.55hellueshey
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19:56.13helluesi search a package for relationa algebra symbol
19:56.13helluesdo you know one
19:56.14iShockIf I set up an icecast2 server, how can I stream to it?
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19:58.58abrotmanto it or from it?
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19:59.51iShockabrotman: To it, my webcam is on my local box, icecast2 is running on my debian box, I want to stream to it so other people can view it.
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20:01.05lfaraonehow can I make the tty background a different color upon entering a chroot?
20:01.20iShocklfaraone?!
20:01.54iShockprods abrotman
20:02.21lfaraoneiShock: what's up?
20:02.39abrotmaniShock: nope .. not a clue
20:02.42iShocklfaraone: Nothing, small world.
20:02.44iShockabrotman: :<
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20:03.45anabainhow can I get permissions showed in the three octal format instead of rw- and the like?
20:04.15go|dfishanabain: stat -c %a
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20:06.41anabainthx, go|dfish
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20:15.26SparFuxAnybody running a sip or iax client with Debian which actually works?
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20:19.35mackohey, i'm forwarding ports (http) of my interior server (nat). why can't i access that server from router writing its IP in web browser?
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20:21.06\amethystmacko: can you access it from outside the router?  from inside the router?
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20:22.55mackoyep i can
20:23.12mackoi can access outside
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20:24.05Trampmacko: google for "hairpin nat" or "hairpinning" - What you want to do, is not (easily) possible.
20:24.37mackookay, thanks a lot :)
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20:30.01seafarorhow do I change the root pass? I tried doing it the gui way but that didn't do anything (etch)
20:31.13abrotmanpasswd
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20:33.14seafarorah great :)
20:33.16seafarorty
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20:34.12shahrimh I'm having some problems regarding my usb mouse, after I upgraded to 2.6.28, it doesn't work anymore and there are no modules being loaded on startup (lsmod shows only nvidia which I manually configured for being loaded up on boot)
20:34.15shahriany ideas?
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20:34.49Shadow_Masteris there any less-obvious way of making syslog-ng  echo things to an otherwise unused  console, other than manually hacking syslog-ng's config files?
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20:35.20Shadow_Mastere.g. I already did that but I found it rather inelegant, compared to toher daemons' config files (something.local, etc.)
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20:35.31shahrion boot, it says that it couldn't find /lib/modules/2.6.28/modules.dep, but that file does exist
20:35.37WorfSparFux: tried twinkle?
20:35.56SparFuxI did.
20:36.06SparFuxtwinkle doesn't work with the default alsa devices.
20:36.56SparFuxI have to use hw:0,0 for input and even then, there is a strange noise on the outgoing channel.
20:36.57Worfhmm ... well, of all that i did try it did work best ... tell me if you find something else :)
20:37.46Worfand i obviousely didn't have your problems :)
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20:42.58dotiHi. It is posible to have a framebuffered terminal on a macbook with an intel 950 graphic card?
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20:43.20patrikfdoti: probably yes
20:44.00dotipatrikf: and how could i do it? What i have to search about?
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20:45.08patrikfdoti: get linux-doc-* and read Documentation/fb/
20:45.47dotipatrikf: ok, thx
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20:48.34dotipatrikf: how i use linux-doc?
20:48.52Guerinread it
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20:49.40dotiGuerin: yes, how? i have the package but i don't know how to read it
20:49.51patrikfdoti: you can use dpkg -L <package> to view which files a package installed
20:50.06dotipatrikf: ok ^^
20:50.15nsadminand where they are installed too
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20:52.08nsadminjudd, versions alsa-plugins-jack
20:52.08juddnsadmin: alsa-plugins-jack --
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20:53.07hedgehoginfogHow do I unmount a device which is allegedly 'busy' but really is not connected at all?
20:54.49Worftry -f  (force)
20:55.28abrotmanhedgehoginfog: see what's using it
20:55.50hedgehoginfogumount -l just worked fine
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20:56.46nsadminhedgehoginfog: also due caution with mounted devices... don't unplug before umount
20:57.25hedgehoginfogabrotman: How do I use fuser to see what's using it?
20:57.34abrotmanor lsof
20:57.40hedgehoginfogIts man page didn't enlighten me
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20:58.26nsadminthen a little more work in understanding it is probably in order
20:59.00dotipatrikf: i read it. I have to uses vga option in grub to change the resolution but hwinfo says that i can't use 1280x800 resolution
20:59.04nsadminyou have to think as and after you read...
20:59.38patrikfdoti: actually you should be using video=
21:00.27dotipatrikf: oh, ok
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21:01.31nsadminhedgehoginfog, one thing is you should learn to read the synopsis section
21:02.04hedgehoginfognsadmin: You must be kidding me. I've read the whole man page many times, including the synopsis and the examples
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21:04.11nsadminhedgehoginfog: yeah, I saw the examples too... by the synopsis, what is the simplest possible form of the command that's still syntatically correct?
21:04.26hedgehoginfogfuser /dev/sdb1 returns nothing, whilest the device is mounted
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21:04.59nsadminhowbout the mount point?
21:05.12hedgehoginfogAll the options are in square brackets so they are not mandatory, all but _name_
21:05.28hedgehoginfogthe same..
21:05.35nsadminahh, apologies. so you do know how to read the synopsis
21:05.40nsadminok, try this...
21:05.52nsadminfire up another xterm, and cd to the mount point
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21:06.01hedgehoginfogI had thought I knew how read it before you asked me..
21:06.04nsadminthen try both again
21:06.32nsadminhedgehoginfog: you were right
21:06.38hedgehoginfogman, the device is busy..I'm playing an mp3 file from it..
21:07.05nsadminin the exact dir of the mount point?
21:07.17hedgehoginfogha..now it returns the PID of that xterm (konsole) thread
21:07.30nsadminok, cd to a dir inside that dir
21:07.41nsadminand see if it still shows that pid
21:07.43hedgehoginfognot exactly, but from a subdierectory
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21:08.12nsadminso maybe fuser doesn't show transitives
21:08.16hedgehoginfogWell, what if I don't know in advance what's using a device how am I supposed to find out that?
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21:10.11Zouphow can i fix alt + cursor key issue with xterm ?
21:10.14Zoup( eightBitInput is off )
21:10.54nsadminnotice the man page said something about not reporting F or f if invoked in a certain mode
21:11.06abrotmanZoup: try asking one network at a time
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21:11.29nsadminjudd, versions libasound2-plugins
21:11.30juddnsadmin: libasound2-plugins -- etch: 1.0.13-3 lenny: 1.0.16-1+b1 sid: 1.0.16-1+b1 experimental: 1.0.18-1
21:11.50linux_stui am having trouble getting flash to work with iceweasel in etch.  i installed flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound; however, iceweasel isn't loading the plugin
21:12.00linux_stuanyone know what the problem could be?
21:12.34hedgehoginfogokay... I have /dev/sdb1 mounted to /media/exthdd and playing /media/exthdd/1/1.mp3. How do I find out that audcious that is playing that file keeps the device from being umounted?
21:14.07nsadmindid you see -m?
21:14.35hedgehoginfogm      mmap’ed file or shared library ?
21:14.44hedgehoginfogIs that what you mean?
21:14.50nsadminthe options are below that
21:15.01nsadminthose show how it'
21:15.02\amethysthedgehoginfog:  no, fuser -m  All processes accessing files on that file system are listed.
21:15.05nsadmins displayed
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21:15.40hedgehoginfogfuser /media/exthdd/ gives __nothing__
21:15.56nsadminand fuser -m /media/exthdd/ gives?
21:16.02\amethyst./test.sh
21:16.03\amethystdoh
21:16.05hedgehoginfogso does fuser -m
21:16.09norcHello. I plugged my harddrive into a new computer (athlon xp to athlon 64). But I cant seem to boot. Gets stuck while loading the kernel, no error messages.
21:16.42norcSystem was updated/upgraded about last week or so.
21:16.42\amethysthedgehoginfog:  run it as root
21:16.56hedgehoginfogguys. Subject closed :) Thanks for help
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21:17.00norcAny tips on how to troubleshoot here?
21:17.21Guerinnorc: check that your drive assignment matches
21:17.38norcGuerin: what do you mean
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21:18.08K_SakuraHe means if it was hda (primary master), and its now hdb (primary slave) it won't boot.
21:18.13Guerinnorc: check that bios is calling the drive you put in hd0 (hda, whatever)
21:18.17Guerinright
21:18.24Guerinide or sata?
21:18.41norcide
21:18.46norcK_Sakura: Master both times, but it may not be primary now. Is that relevant?
21:18.48K_SakuraAlso, make sure your bios has the right boot order.
21:18.55norcAfterall, Grub *does* load the kernel
21:19.08liorHi all. I have aproblem with my new webcam. Debian stable recognize it as usb camera, but it does not load the proper module (gspca). I know this model is supported by gspca. can anyone help me?
21:19.09Guerinnorc: make sure your jumpers are set correctly. If they're set to cable select you might need to plug it into a different ide lug
21:19.21norcGuerin: Its on master, I checked before I plugged it in
21:19.32yitz_If it gets to grub, that's not an issue I believe
21:19.33norcand no other device on the same cable
21:19.45K_Sakuranorc: Yes, primary vs secondary is relevant -- hda=primary master, hdc=secondary master.
21:19.48norcWell, it starts loading the kernel
21:19.53norcbut then nothing happens
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21:20.04norccursor keeps blinking so its not a hardfreeze
21:20.04K_SakuraIt freezes early in the boot?
21:20.11norcwhile the kernel is loading
21:20.12Guerinnorc: debian kernel, or custom?
21:20.14norcwithout a message
21:20.17norcGuerin: debian
21:20.40Guerinhm.
21:21.09nsadminso I just made some tests, and the output of fuser -m /home is the same as fuser -m /home/nsadmin
21:21.21norcAnd the hardware is not damaged, in fact Im currently on the same machine, booting from an sata drive
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21:21.52K_Sakuranorc: What's the last thing it says before it stops?
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21:23.16norcK_Sakura: Mhm, well I never cared to remember the message. Its the standard message that reads something like "Loading kernel..."
21:23.27norcwait
21:23.37norcBlah, boots with quiet on
21:23.44norcIll try without quiet, brb
21:24.42linux_stuwhat's the best way to go about installing flash?  i tried 'sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound', but iceweasel doesn't load the plugin.  is there some other way i should install it or do i need to do some configuring?
21:25.19nsadminlinux_stu: have you quit all the way out of iceweasel?
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21:25.26liorHi all. I have aproblem with my new webcam. Debian stable recognize it as usb camera, but it does not load the proper module (gspca). I know this model is supported by gspca. can anyone help me?
21:25.28linux_stunsadmin, yes.
21:25.53K_Sakuralior:  "modprobe gspca"
21:25.56Guerinlior: don't just repeat. Have you tried loading the module yourself?
21:25.57nsadminlior: try loading the module yourself
21:26.01Guerinheh
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21:26.09Guerinseems repeating got him the result he desired
21:26.44nsadmina pileup? :)
21:26.45K_SakuraHeh, true.  In triplicate.
21:27.07linux_stuoh flash plugin...
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21:27.17liorafter modprobing the module myself and replugging the camera, syslog gives the same messages.
21:27.45nsadminlinux_stu: visit about:plugins
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21:28.34linux_stunsadmin,  "No plugins are installed"
21:28.38liori suspect that gspca is now part of the kernel, and the support for my camera is in the kernel rather than Deabia's gspca package. how can I confirm (workagroud)  this?
21:28.39K_Sakuralior: Does the camera behave now?  (Note:  cameras in Linux have a history of being problematic.)
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21:29.11nsadminmaybe you have to make the link by hand or at least check if it's there
21:29.15liorK_Sakura: not /dev/video* is created
21:29.19lior*no
21:29.59nsadminwhat's in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ ?
21:30.01nanonymeDebian doesn't usually inbuild those so it should be listed with lsmod if it's part of the kernel tree.
21:30.09K_Sakuralinux_stu: Have you checked the IceWeasel config directory, I think there's supposed to be a symlink to the actual flash module there.  (Well, *sometimes*, at least.)
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21:30.29nsadmintry loading the module after the camera is connected
21:30.29deepfriedsquirreHello
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21:31.35K_Sakuralior:  Have you tried '/etc/init.d/udev restart'?
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21:32.07K_SakuraThat would manually (IIRC) recreate the devices in /dev.
21:32.15deepfriedsquirreI read that etch was recently released as stable, which I would assume would mean it was testing before, right? In which case, how can Lenny have been testing before? And it can't have been unstable, because that's always sid. This sounds like a paradox to me - where did I go wrong?
21:32.33nsadminyes it was testing before
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21:32.40liornanonyme: the gspca-source package is old, (0c45:6143 is not in the source)
21:32.43pipelinedeepfriedsquirre: etch-as-testing and lenny-as-testing did not exist at thesame time
21:32.45nsadminlenny is testing now
21:32.48xsdgdeepfriedsquirre: I think your definition of "recent" is wrong :o)
21:33.00deepfriedsquirreOh
21:33.04nsadmin!etch
21:33.04dpkgfrom memory, etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007.  ask me about <install debian>.  Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).  Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen
21:33.06K_SakuraEtch has been out for a while.
21:33.10deepfriedsquirreI thought it was released December 2008
21:33.17pipelinexsdg: recent debian releases have come out really quickly
21:33.21linux_stuK_Sakura, might that directory be /usr/lib/iceweasel/components/ ?
21:33.31pipelinexsdg: sarge->etch->lenny is like, magic
21:33.36nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: see above. april of 2007
21:34.01deepfriedsquirre'The current stable distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version   4.0r6, codenamed etch. It was   released on December 18th, 2008. ' - http://www.debian.org/releases/
21:34.02liorK_Sakura: /etc/init.d/udev restart didn't help
21:34.23hedgehoginfogIs there a way to see what device in /dev/ was assigned to the flash drive I just plugged in?
21:34.23nsadminperhaps a point release (4.0rSomething) was recent
21:34.26xsdgpipeline: ::nod::
21:34.29K_Sakuralinux_stu: More like ~/.mozilla/<something>
21:34.34xsdgpipeline: I've heard that lenny is way behind schedule, though
21:34.39nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: tha
21:34.43patrikfhedgehoginfog: dmesg, /dev/disk/by-*
21:34.50nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: that's r6, not r0
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21:35.00deepfriedsquirreAh right, I see
21:35.04sphenxesWhat is the best way to back up my Evolution "Calender, task, email address, etc." on debian etch?
21:35.05liorxsdg: lenny is way behind schedule
21:35.08Guerinxsdg: how can you be behind schedule when there isn't one?
21:35.11deepfriedsquirreSomeone said 'etch was cut out a long time ago'
21:35.15K_Sakuradeepfriedsquirre: I upgraded to my amd64 system in September 2007, and etch was already available.
21:35.17deepfriedsquirreCut out?
21:35.26deepfriedsquirreExactly, I remember
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21:35.53aarkeriohi! How can I know what graphic card I have in AGP slot?
21:35.58nsadminhaving said that, lenny is available if you want it
21:36.04K_Sakuralspci
21:36.11Guerinaarkerio: lspci
21:36.11xsdgGuerin: I heard this from folks who were having a bug-squashing party to try to help get it out
21:36.16deepfriedsquirreWell Etch isn't working with my graphics card; I get a black screen and told by a monitor message that it can't handle the input mode or something
21:36.34aarkerioAGP != PCI
21:36.38aarkerioI think
21:36.42Guerinaarkerio: just fucking try it
21:36.53Guerintoo much think, not enough do
21:36.56nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: howbout etch n a half?
21:37.03K_Sakuraaarkerio: lspci tells about PCI, AGP, PCI-E, etc.
21:37.07deepfriedsquirreSo I guess it'll be Lenny... how unstable is Lenny?
21:37.16aarkeriothx
21:37.17nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: howbout etch n a half?
21:37.20Guerindeepfriedsquirre: not very. It's been frozen since julyish
21:37.20deepfriedsquirreWhat?
21:37.25deepfriedsquirreEtch and a half?!
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21:37.33Guerin!etchnhalf
21:37.33dpkg"etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware.  It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer.  Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf  Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf  See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts>
21:37.43Guerindeepfriedsquirre: try lenny, though
21:37.43deepfriedsquirreJust found it, thanks lol
21:37.49Guerindeepfriedsquirre: it has much more smarter X
21:37.51Prax01DHas this ever been considered by Debian: A lot of issues with users come about because of incorrect file/dir permissions. Wouldn't the /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list files be the perfect place to lay out the file/dir permissions/user/group for each file in a package? That way, the users could check the present state of their packages by this list first, to see if their problems might be cleared up by adherence to this schema
21:38.14deepfriedsquirreGuerin: Smarter? What do you mean, smarter?
21:38.24GuerinPrax01D: email debian-user@lists.debian.org
21:38.31Prax01Dsure.
21:38.38Guerindeepfriedsquirre: it has more accurate video-mode-selecting mojo
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21:38.55deepfriedsquirreCan't I just use xorgconfig like in Slackware?
21:39.09Guerindeepfriedsquirre: you could, but with lenny there's no need
21:39.30jamonPrax01D: usually those issues aren't debian's problem, but rather a pebkac, you can use selinux for that
21:39.31deepfriedsquirreI like xorgconfig except I have to edit the modes line by hand :P
21:39.55Prax01Djamon: pebkac?
21:40.06nsadminthe first time I tried to run x I had to write my own mode line
21:40.18K_SakuraPrax01D: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
21:40.18nsadminlotsa multiplies
21:40.20deepfriedsquirreThe stable release only includes security updates, right?
21:40.39Prax01DK_Sakura: jamon. Nevertheless.
21:40.47Prax01DThis isn't helpful.
21:40.55nsadminwell, etchnahalf also includes additional device support
21:40.58jamonselinux is, i said that already Prax01D
21:41.03nsadminso no, not "only"
21:41.06deepfriedsquirreYeah
21:41.19deepfriedsquirreBut I don't want to be stuck with stuff like Gimp 2.2 if possible
21:41.28Prax01Djamon: somehow this doesn't seem helpful either.
21:41.37Guerindeepfriedsquirre: yes and no. There is a security repo for testing too.
21:41.40jamonit is, that's what it is designed to do..
21:41.57nsadminget what you want from backports, build backports, run lenny, compile stuff yourself
21:42.01nsadminthe choice is yours
21:42.01deepfriedsquirreYeah I know that, I was saying only security updates not only etch :P
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21:42.40Prax01Djamon: I ain't talking security -- I'm talking basic permissions. Not actually the same thing when you think about it.
21:42.45nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: same here. it's not only security updates, it's other things too
21:42.49norcThought Id let you know: It was just the switching of primary and secondary
21:42.53GuerinPrax01D: permissions are an aspect of security.
21:42.59Prax01D...
21:43.01Guerinnorc: heh.
21:43.07\amethystit's reasonable though
21:43.07GuerinPrax01D: well, are they not?
21:43.07norcAnd the message it got stuck on was "Waiting for root filesystem"
21:43.08Prax01DWhy do I come on IRC...
21:43.24norcAlthough I still dont understand why that would actually make a difference
21:43.24deepfriedsquirrensadmin: "Not only security updates in Etch" or "Not only security updates in Lenny"?
21:43.35\amethystif there are md5sums for packages, why not lists of the correct file stats
21:43.38amphiPrax01D: perhaps if you gave an example of what you are talking about...
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21:43.43nsadminboth, evidently
21:43.48Prax01DGuerin: By your logic, there is only selinux.
21:44.06GuerinPrax01D: wtf did I mention selinux?
21:44.18Prax01DThese always turn into pissing matches.
21:44.19Guerin\amethyst: i agree, seems a reasonable thing. But here's not really the place to thrash it out.
21:44.21nsadminthe original idea was "only security updates and critical bug fixes in dists already released" which etch is
21:44.29Prax01Dexcuse me. The cat died.
21:44.31deepfriedsquirreAha
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21:44.42dpkgAnother happy customer leaves the building
21:44.44nsadminbut with this etchnahalf thing
21:44.47norcheh
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21:45.14nsadminit's also adding newer device support, which falls outside of critical bugfixes and security issues
21:45.22deepfriedsquirreYEah
21:45.25deepfriedsquirreI get it, aye
21:45.54K_SakuraIs there an !tell for lspci?
21:45.56VespertoThe mouse cursor disappears every once in a while, especially in between sessions. HUP-ing Xorg or gdm won't do. Any clues?
21:46.02\amethystI'm still not sure why Prax01D got such a harsh reaction... permissions problems are not always pebkac, they could be the result of security problems
21:46.10nsadmin!tellspci?
21:46.24K_Sakura!tell sakura about lspci
21:46.41\amethystotherwise tripwire wouldn't exist
21:46.56K_SakuraAn an example.
21:46.58jamon\amethyst: hence selinux in the same sentence as pebkac, i'd have suggested bastille as well but he left
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21:47.16norcIs there a way to create a large ramdisk (1gb) without having to reboot?
21:47.26\amethystjamon:  selinux won't tell you if your files have the wrong permissions
21:47.52Guerinnorc: a ramdisk for what purpose?
21:47.56jamonyeah but it also won't let you fuck them up badly in the first place
21:48.22norcGuerin: Well for compiling mainly
21:48.40Guerinnorc: you mean a swapfile?
21:48.45norcbut I also like to stuff in a few large executables, like firefox, to run them faster
21:48.57norcI mean a filesystem within the memory
21:49.01Guerinoh, i see
21:49.07Guerini know nothing about those
21:49.10norcBut the compiling is the main issue. :)
21:49.34norcAnd I dont want to believe that rebooting is required. :/
21:49.39norcI mean this is linux..
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21:50.55VespertoAnyone? Mouse? Dead?
21:51.13GuerinVesperto: perhaps you should call a veterinarian.
21:51.28\amethystnorc:  mount -t tmpfs -o size=1g /home/user/tmp /dev/null
21:51.49norc\amethyst: Oh sweet. Didn't know about tmpfs. Thanks :)
21:51.56\amethystnorc:  oops, backwards
21:52.00VespertoThird irc network, third ignorant response, wow, must be my lucky day.
21:52.35K_SakuraVesperto: What did you mean?
21:52.45GuerinVesperto: have you considered asking a less-stupid question?
21:52.56jamondamn, is everyone hungover and cranky today? lighten up people. Vesperto dmesg?
21:52.58VespertoK_Sakura:  The mouse cursor disappears every once in a while, especially in between sessions. HUP-ing Xorg or gdm won't do.
21:53.06darethwhat kind of mouse connector?
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21:53.21earthianHello, I am trying to make a backup of my disk /dev/sda to a custom debian/etch NAS. I do 'dd if=/dev/sda | nc 192.168.2.1 12000' on the laptop (also debian/etch) and 'nc -l -p 12000 | dd of=/path/to/sda-backup_1.img'. It does not work somehow. I get 512 or 8192 bytes copied at different times and thats all. Nothing in the syslog. Any idea whats going on??
21:53.33Vespertojamon:  dmesg | tail will just give me the last boot stuff, in my case about Bluetooth, which i don't have.
21:53.36\amethystVesperto:   does anything solve the problem?
21:53.58Vesperto\amethyst:  rebooting, although i don't consider it a solution :)
21:54.01g0rd0n_hi there! my machine, which i administer remotely, just stopped working and i had to reset it... how can i find out what went wrong? i tried looking at syslog etc, but the log just stops at some point, with no useful information there... any ideas?
21:54.19nsadminVesperto: need more details. what kind of mouse? how connected? what software is directly interacting with the mouse?
21:54.21jamonVesperto: don't use tail with dmesg then, try less
21:54.28\amethystearthian:  try using cat instead of dd
21:54.58earthian\amethyst: is it safe on the disk drive?
21:54.59K_Sakurag0rd0n_: Read the logs, the last few things that had happened may have something to do with it.
21:55.05\amethystearthian:  or no cat at all:  nc 192.168.2.1 12000 < /dev/sda    and   nc -l -p 12000 > /path/to/sda-backup_1.img
21:55.12Guering0rd0n_: did it reboot, shutdown, or simply stop responding to ping?
21:55.23Vespertonsadmin:  regular optical usb, connected to PS/2. Tehre's a kpsmoused, i've tried HUP-ing it as well to no avail.
21:55.24nsadmindoes the mouse die after a time? what is the history of the problem? what have you tried? what were the results? of those, which are what you expected? of the others, what did you expect?
21:55.33\amethystearthian:  yes.  If this is a mounted filesystem, your image will need to be fscked
21:55.49nsadmina usb mouse connected to ps/2 port?
21:55.51g0rd0n_Guerin: actually i dunno if it was powered down or if it hung, i just issued a remote hardware reset and it came up again. some months ago i recall i had a mysterious self-reboot...
21:55.51Vespertojamon:  noted, but i've rebooted now...
21:55.56\amethystearthian:  because changes could be happening while you're making the backup, and you might only get part of the changes
21:55.57darethassume an adaptor...
21:56.05nsadminright
21:56.14earthian\amethyst: i have just did this and I have noticed exactly the same behaviour
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21:56.16hedgehoginfogDo you I have to have write access to the mount point if I want to write something on the device?
21:56.19darethhave you tried this mouse/adaptor combo on a working machine to see if you have sim issue?
21:56.27\amethystearthian:  if this is xfs, there's an xfs_freeze program to freeze the filesystem and prevent any writes until the backup is done
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21:56.31earthianseems to be problem with the netcat
21:56.38g0rd0n_K_Sakura: it just did normal mail processing, nothing out of the ordinary
21:56.40Vespertojamon:  two lines referring to mouse in my dmesg
21:56.42earthianfs is not mounted
21:56.51\amethystearthian:  oh, good
21:56.54earthiani am on a live usb
21:57.03\amethystearthian:  do you have ssh access to the server?
21:57.05g0rd0n_it didnt even complain about being out of memory, and my system stats show no abnormal high memory, swap or cpu usage...
21:57.14jamonVesperto: good, now you know what to look for when it freezes next time
21:57.18earthian\amethyst: yes
21:57.26K_SakuraVesperto: I have the same setup, a USB mouse connected to a PS/2 port, but I don't have any problems.
21:57.26earthian\amethyst: also physical access
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21:57.46\amethystearthian: maybe try    ssh user@server 'cat > backup.img' < /dev/sda
21:57.58K_Sakurag0rd0n_: Have someone listen to it during a high disk-usage point, see if they can hear clicks.
21:58.23VespertoK_Sakura:  it seldom happens. I leave the pc on with the gxm login prompt. Once i turn on the monitor, there's no cursor. I can log in and use the mouse, but i can't see the pointer.
21:58.25earthian\amethyst: why would my original method stop working?
21:58.28jamonVesperto: also, isolate the hardware, plug it straight into usb
21:58.37Vespertojamon:  noted, thanks.
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21:58.50g0rd0n_can a hardware problem cause an unexpected hard-reboot in linux?
21:58.51K_Sakura(Clicks of death, and other controller/drive issues sometimes don't show up in syslogs, because the drive itself can't be written to.
21:58.56earthian\amethyst: problem is that i believe sshing would take much longer time to make the copy..wouldnt it?
21:58.59K_Sakurag0rd0n_: YES.
21:59.12jamonthose connectors are probably less than $0.10 to make so i don't trust them at all
21:59.14g0rd0n_well, i think it is definetly a hardware problem then
21:59.17g0rd0n_what a mess...
21:59.20K_Sakuraspeaks from experience there.
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21:59.57K_SakuraAlso, are there any off-board pata/sata controllers on that setup?
21:59.59g0rd0n_my provider will have to run some tests, e.g. i'll be down several hours, then ill probably be given new hardware, e.g. tons of work reinstalling everythiing and restoring backups :(
22:00.15deepfriedsquirreCould I install my NVIDIA driver and configure X by running: cp /mnt/slackware/home/deepfriedsquirrel/NVIDIA*.run /mnt/debian/root/; chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash then running the installer from inside Debian? I'm scared to do it because I don't understand he consequences of chroot.
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22:01.23deepfriedsquirreWould I need to update environment variables like in the Gentoo install?
22:02.18g0rd0n_K_Sakura: i dont really know... i have a raid1 system, but i think it is software...
22:02.29K_SakuraAlso, what kernel version is on the system in question?
22:02.44g0rd0n_00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev f1)
22:02.52nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: like for example which env var?
22:02.54earthian\amethyst: the ssh method works..
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22:03.19K_SakuraI recall that when I first switched to a sata boot disk, that I had issues with freezing that didn't appear in the logs at all.
22:03.25g0rd0n_hmmm when it rebooted at the time i had the plain 2.6 amd64 kernel from debian, then i upgraded to etchandhalf to get sensors support, so it was running the etchandhalf kernel when it screwed up tonight
22:03.35deepfriedsquirrensadmin: I don't mind, as long as I can install the NVIDIA driver without messing my system up because it was looking for some environemnt variable and couldn't find it
22:04.20dustybinif one inserts a DVD/CD, and it automounts, what dir does /dev/hdc mount to?
22:04.21deepfriedsquirreGentoo says to do this at a point in its install procedure, is all: http://pastebin.com/m7642142d
22:05.07K_Sakuradustybin: /cdrom - usually.
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22:05.22dustybinwow is that all
22:05.34deepfriedsquirreNO
22:05.39dustybinK_Sakura: i have a .iso image, and i would like to mount it in the same place
22:05.39deepfriedsquirreWAIT
22:05.43deepfriedsquirreI wasn't answering you
22:06.11deepfriedsquirreK_Satura might have said something sensible, for all I iknow
22:06.30\amethystdustybin:  /media/cdrom is most common
22:06.45dustybin\amethyst: aye ok thanks
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22:07.06dustybin\amethyst: if i manually mount a iso image in that place, mythtv will hopefully think there is a dvd in the drive?
22:07.24earthiandustybin: /media/cdrom0 and/or /media/cdrom ...also can be /cdrom and /mnt/cdrom additionally cdrom can be anything else.. like dvd cdrw dvdrw or the name of the device, i.e. "/media/my pictures CD"
22:07.28\amethystdustybin:  hm... if you're in the cdrom group it could theoreticall tell the difference
22:07.43nsadmindeepfriedsquirre: there are two display drivers, nv and nvidia with the latter being 3d and binary only from nvidia
22:07.47dustybinill mount it as root
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22:08.09dustybinactually ill just insert a dvd and see where it goes
22:08.33dustybinactually nothing will happen
22:08.33\amethystdustybin:  doesn't matter, if mythtv is trying to access /dev/dvd directly instead  of /mnt/cdrom
22:08.34K_SakuraI usually have no problems regardless of where I mount the iso.
22:08.49dustybinyep good point
22:09.02deepfriedsquirrensadmin: I mean the official nvidia
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22:09.07earthianin Linux everything is files.. ISO or CDROM or HDD..
22:09.09deepfriedsquirre177.82
22:09.39nsadminyou can probably install that as a package, or build the package and install it
22:09.41VespertoK_Sakura, jamon, \amethyst: thanks for the help.
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22:10.17Iridosfunny, xdriinfo tells me my libGL is too old... I've got the nvidia-glx 177.80-1 ... what version does it need?!
22:10.17nsadminyou're better off going the package route if only because you can easily uninstall
22:10.38Iridosor is it just something that doesn't work with nvidia cards?
22:10.55K_SakuraI think libGL is something else (not sure though.)
22:11.15Iridossomething else than what :)
22:11.21nsadminsomething
22:11.30K_SakuraAs in, not related to the nvidia drivers.
22:11.56Iridoscourse it is... you're replacing the generic one with one from nvidia-glx
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22:12.03macmanguys .. what is a good trick to keep my battery from dying ? i have a dell precision m90 running ubuntu 8.10
22:12.11iShockAnyone good with icecast?
22:12.16macmani know this is debian but are there any battery tricks
22:12.39nsadminrun on the powersupply
22:12.44Iridosand it also seems to have to match the version of the nvidia-modules (I just tried to get the version from experimental, but it complained about the version mismatch to my nvidia-modules)
22:12.54Guerinwhat do you mean by `dying'?
22:12.57nsadminwatch the battery level and stop before it runs out
22:13.00iShockIs anyone good at setting up an icecast server?
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22:13.10GueriniShock: no. Stop repeating.
22:13.11nsadmin!repeat
22:13.11dpkgPlease don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org
22:13.31\amethystIridos:  had you done a non-debian install of the drivers at some point?
22:13.41earthian!anyone
22:13.41dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
22:13.51\amethystIridos:  maybe your /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 still links to the old version of the driver
22:14.09iShockHas anyone set up an icecast server?
22:14.12Iridos\amethyst, yeah, definitely... didn't get it to work with the debian packages, which was a pain in the... neck
22:14.19Guerin!irritate iShock
22:14.19dpkgiShock: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz !!!!
22:14.20\amethystIridos:  err, where by "old" I mean a newer version that didn't work
22:14.34earthian!anyone > iShock
22:14.53nsadminiShock: why do you ask?
22:14.59Iridoshm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.177.80
22:15.31Iridosii  nvidia-glx                        177.80-1
22:15.37Iridosthat seems to match pretty well
22:15.39\amethystsounds right
22:15.43iShocknsadmin: Having trouble getting my stream up but i gotta eat soo
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22:16.58nsadminyou could say how you tried to get the stream up and exactly what you're running into now... versions of relevent things welcome, as are exact texts of error messages
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22:18.50Iridos\amethyst, I just wonder if it's worth going to a new version of the nvidia modules to use nvidia-glx 177.82-1 from experimental and see if xdriinfo works with that... doesn't even look like it's a big version jump from 177.80 to 177.82-1 (the background actually is, that I'm watching the bug-report on wound-up and someone suggested to use driconf for ati-cards as a work-around the bug - now I'm wondering if driconf is supposed to work with
22:18.50Iridos<PROTECTED>
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22:21.02earthianany idea why would a dd/cat over netcat does not work and ssh user@server 'cat > /sda' < /dev/sda works?
22:22.01IridosI've used tar over netcat without problems
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22:22.24IridosI don't think there should any problem with cat or dd
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22:22.32petemcearthian: there is scope for using dd/netcat incorrectly
22:23.16IridosI'd also say it must be the way you used them
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22:25.17earthianpetemc: command on source (executed after command on destination): "dd if=/dev/sda | nc 192.168.2.1 12000" command on destination: "nc -l -p 12000 | dd of=/path/to/image". What could be wrong here?
22:25.40Iridosif=- missing?
22:26.10earthianwhen i try to kill -usr1 dd on the source i get "process not found"
22:26.11Iridoshm, no, stdin is default according to manpage
22:26.20earthianso it does not run
22:26.39\amethysterr
22:26.43\amethystnc -l -p 12000
22:26.46earthianproblem is with netcat.. it does copy 512B or 8KB somehow.. just not sure what it is
22:26.55\amethystdoes that work?
22:27.03\amethystspecifying the port as a source port?
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22:27.21\amethystoh
22:27.31Iridosyes
22:27.54\amethystseems the openbsd nc doesn't like it
22:28.18Iridosearthian, actually works for me
22:28.45earthianon the other mashine with the same liveUSB (debian/etch) works too :x
22:28.55Iridosearthian, there's just a bit missing at the end - probably due to linebuffering (tried with a textfile)
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22:29.12earthianhm
22:29.48Iridosdoh
22:30.28Iridos"nc -l -p 12000 | dd of=/tmp/tst" just exited when I ^C-killed the input dd->nc
22:30.50IridosI thought nc -l -p 12000 would just sit there forever
22:30.57earthianno afaik
22:31.08Iridosno, I probably confuse that..
22:31.30Iridosit's the other end that sits there forever, because it has to ignore EOF and so can't know when the input ends
22:31.31\amethystIridos:  you need -k to make it listen for more than one connection
22:32.21Iridosanyways, since I ended the sending netcat, the files are perfect copies of each other
22:32.39jelly-homeIridos: that's the winning combination, yes
22:33.04Iridos!win combination
22:33.04dpkgCongratulations, combination! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
22:33.15jamonIridos: are you just wanting to copy files and not partitions? rsync is pretty much made for that
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22:33.37jelly-homeIridos: same thing if you're doing tar cf - | nc ... and nc -l  | tar xf -
22:33.39Iridosjamon, I didn't want anything... just tried the line earthian said didn't work for him
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22:34.02jamonah ok, nm then, earthian :)
22:34.15Iridosjelly-home, yeah... did that  a couple of times... did work for _me_
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22:35.24Iridosjamon, and I say the same line works great for me... but it only completes when I kill the sending nc, else a couple of lines seem to stay in a buffer and aren't on disk yet (but I think that wouldn't be an issue with a binary file)
22:36.34\amethystIridos:   you could use  -q 0  to have the client quit on EOF
22:36.42earthianand i have no idea where the issue is on my side... but that rsync thing got my attention. will try it sometime later
22:37.25\amethystIridos:  or give the client a timeout
22:37.59Iridos\amethyst, I know :)  ... but if you're copying binary you don't want it to end on EOF anyways
22:38.06earthianwhat is faster? ssh netcat or rsync?
22:38.27Guerinearthian: tricky question. Depends on the data and the machines at either end.
22:38.41earthianGuerin: same machine, same data, same network link
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22:39.23Guerinearthian: anything encrypted inflicts a cpu overhead, so that can be a factor. rsync has awesome pipelining support and is very efficient with many small files
22:39.28jamonearthian: with rsync you should use -ssh, so ssh will be the deciding factor methinks earthian
22:40.16Guerinearthian: i use rsync over ssh with compression, since cpu time is cheaper than bandwidth for me
22:40.52Guerin(and ssh makes logins  secure and transparent)
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22:41.09earthiani have a 100mbit link and a Intel Atom CPU... so CPU time is expensive here
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22:41.40jamonearthian: don't worry, it'll be fine
22:41.48earthian:)
22:41.52earthiangreat then.
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22:42.23T_D_Hquick questing as im a bit of a noob, I cant get my hotswap drive detected
22:42.34orgthingyso how do i fix broken packages using terminal again?
22:42.49earthianhm.. 28 Gigs copied out of 80 :)
22:42.54orgthingyT_D_H : hmm, any errors? or just simply "not detected"
22:42.55jelly-homeT_D_H: did you make the controller rescan the drives?
22:43.03earthianorgthingy: apt-get -f install and then dpkg --configure -a
22:43.11T_D_Hoh no jelly-home, how do I do that?
22:43.15orgthingyearthian : thanks for reminding me ^_^
22:43.23T_D_Horgthingy just not detected
22:43.27earthiannp... I use that often :D
22:43.34jelly-homeT_D_H: which controller is it?
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22:44.06T_D_H??? no idea, I just plugged the damn thing in, i pulled it out of a dead computer
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22:44.33earthiangrins at T_D_H and that "dead computer"
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22:44.44jelly-homeT_D_H: how do you know it supports hotplug, then?
22:44.54T_D_Hwell it wasnt dead, i just raped it for parts, jelly-home no idea
22:44.57jelly-homeT_D_H: not the disk, your controller
22:45.01earthianT_D_H: how do you know the controller works at all?
22:45.07S-i-Awhat is wrong if i receive At revision 7162. in subversion update?
22:45.11earthianah kk
22:45.20T_D_Hwell, ive seen the HDD seek light come on on the bay so I assumed it worked
22:45.44jelly-homeS-i-A: it means your repository has just been updated to that revision.
22:46.16jelly-homeS-i-A: that's what svn update is expected to do, it's normal.
22:46.16S-i-Ajelly-home: but i add some folders and do update.
22:46.19earthianT_D_H: is your controller detected?
22:46.36T_D_Hearthian, i dont know, how do I check that?
22:46.42S-i-Ajelly-home: i added one directory and will update it
22:46.45earthianlspci maybe?
22:47.09jelly-homeT_D_H: pastebin the output of "dmesg" and "lspci".
22:47.16T_D_Hkk
22:47.35yitz_Do WAV files have headers? Or can I cat/copy together parts from various wav files?
22:47.46Guerinyitz_: suck and see
22:47.57Guerinyitz_: even if they have headers, you probably can
22:48.00jelly-homeyitz_: yes, they have headers.
22:48.09abrotmanaudacity can paste bits of wavs together
22:48.21yitz_I'm using sox ATM
22:49.03pipelineyitz_: if they're the same format
22:49.19pipelineyitz_: wav is just a container format, it doesn't *necessarily* contain 16 bit 44100 hz pcm audio.
22:49.30T_D_Hearthian http://pastebin.com/d52a2c76c
22:49.30pipelineyitz_: it's like avi in that respect... only with no interleave, so less complicated.  Just drawing an analogy.
22:50.11T_D_Hor I mean jelly-home http://pastebin.com/d52a2c76c
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22:50.48jelly-homeT_D_H: are these sata disks?
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22:51.20T_D_Hshould all be the same, IDE connectors or whatever
22:52.02yitz_Didn't work. Seems sox adds some sort of ending to the end of the file or whatever
22:52.11yitz_Hm. Maybe sox can combine
22:52.50jelly-homeT_D_H: so, which disks are these?  I don't see a scsi controller in your lspci, just an ICH4 (and that sounds too old to support hotplug)
22:53.12T_D_Hreally, darn was hoping to enjoy that feature
22:53.33S-i-Ai can't update the directory !
22:53.43earthianfor me ich4 does not sound like a plugable thing... rather a chip of a mainboard
22:53.44earthianor so
22:53.51T_D_Hoh well, after supper i guess I can update to lenny instead, thanks jelly-home
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22:54.12S-i-Ahttp://paste.debian.net/24939/plain/24939
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22:54.49S-i-A2.7/ will added to the subversion
22:55.22jelly-homeearthian: in this context, it sounds like an IDE (maybe SATA) controller part of that intel chipset, see his lspci.
22:55.56S-i-Ai can't commit it
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22:56.39jelly-homeS-i-A: what happens when you try to commit it?
22:56.39S-i-Ahttp://paste.debian.net/24940/plain/24940
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22:56.48S-i-A^^ jelly
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22:56.57denizhow do i FORCE apt to apt-get something?
22:57.05jelly-homeS-i-A: um.
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22:57.24jelly-homeS-i-A: first do svn add what/ever, then a svn commit
22:58.06S-i-Ajelly-home: yes is added "svn: warning: 'tags/2.7' is already under version control"
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22:58.30S-i-Abut can't commit it!
22:58.32abrotmandenibah
22:58.41abrotmanGuest81857: such as what?
22:58.43earthianjelly-home T_D_H, I do not see any addon card in there lspci at all.. like in your controller is not detected (if its a PCI card)
22:59.25schmeevenin'
22:59.56jelly-homeS-i-A: sounds like a simple syntax issue; have you tried leaving out the ending / ?
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23:00.45S-i-Ajelly-home: is same
23:00.54norcWhich specific package is required for cpu fan speed controlling?
23:01.35norcMeaning through ibm-acpi directly]
23:01.48TrueDDGood night all
23:01.55norcah - I just read the note. nevermind :(
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23:02.32T_D_Hwell, this hotswap is just an ide cable connected to my standerd ide controller, so ill asume the motherboard is to old, this isnt anything new or fancy
23:02.47jelly-homeT_D_H: IDE doesn't do hotswap.
23:02.55norcjelly-home: Oh, actually it does.
23:03.00norcIts not really safe though ;)
23:03.06jelly-homeit's not in the spec
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23:03.12norcBut it works ;)
23:03.23petemcyou can use ide hot swap top mod an xbox
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23:03.40T_D_Hyeah thats how I did mine
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23:03.45Iridosnorc, no... you can unplug/replug the same disk, but it doesn't really hotswap
23:03.53norcThough there is a not so slim chance that you damage some of your hardware while trying hotswap with IDE
23:04.05norcerr
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23:04.19norcIridos: Either Im mixing something totall up or I think its actually possible
23:04.23T_D_Hi see, so this isnt a good deal in the first place then even if I got it to work?
23:04.39norcWell, in any case - I wouldn't recommend trying. :p
23:04.44T_D_Haight
23:04.52jelly-homenorc: some controllers might have a way to rescan the device with hdparm, but I haven't actually seen any hardware where those options worked
23:04.52T_D_Him just upgrading to lenny anyways atm so meh
23:05.04Iridosnorc there's no mechanism to detect a new disk... you can see how stuff is detected on boot-up in dmesg - the same thing doesn't happen when you plug in a new drive in ide - so the kernel wouldn't know about it
23:05.06norcjelly-home: alright
23:05.06jelly-homesata is saner anyway
23:05.24Iridossatan? :-P
23:05.56T_D_Hyes father?
23:06.01norcbrr, and has one large advantage, jelly-home
23:06.06S-i-Athis SVN make me crazy :)
23:06.06norcthe cables are much smaller.
23:06.24norcMessing with those IDE cables just aint fun
23:06.28T_D_Hnope
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23:07.07T_D_Hill just look on newegg and see what they have for controllers
23:07.13Guerinhotswap with ide?
23:07.14Worfi eaven once bought a pata raid controller that was supposed to be able to hotswap, and eaven special hotswap drive bays ... not eaven then it is guaranteed to work
23:07.16Guerinare you insane?
23:07.24Iridosjelly-home, what hdparm options would that be?
23:07.36Worfat least i now know i'll never buy a controller from promise again
23:07.45S-i-Ajelly-home: svn status said http://paste.debian.net/24942/plain/24942
23:07.48Guerini burned the drive containing all my  and all my wife's undergraduate university research doing that, back in 2000
23:07.55Guerin(she's never forgiven me)
23:08.01earthianget a USB disk drive and have your hotswap :)
23:08.59jelly-homeS-i-A: no idea, try a svn-specific channel
23:09.09S-i-Ajelly-home: thanx
23:09.10Iridosright... you can hotswap an ide drive as long as you put it in an external-drive usb case...
23:09.29jelly-homeS-i-A: or, say, #revctrl
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23:09.56superlinuxhi all
23:10.02earthianhi
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23:10.21superlinuxi am looking for a multi threaded local file copying
23:10.21jelly-homeS-i-A: but it looks to me like that directory might have already existed in the repository
23:10.25superlinux.. tool
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23:10.46S-i-Ajelly-home: no
23:10.56superlinuxi am looking for a multi threaded local file copying tool. what do u recommend to speed up copying?
23:11.05Worfsuperlinux: do you want to test how much slower copying is then?
23:11.16Iridoshehe
23:11.17superlinuxno
23:11.33amphisuperlinux: copying is likely disk-bound, so how will multi-threading help?
23:11.38Worfwhat are your intentionss then?
23:11.42jelly-homesuperlinux: what's your use case?  how many files? how large a tree?
23:12.06superlinuxi just have dual cpu system. i'd love always to make use of it, and i have a scsi 10krpm raid cage
23:12.31jelly-homesuperlinux: copying local file is not helped by having fast cpus.
23:12.32Worfi'd assume a slowdown down to less than 1/4 on local disks when doing more than one thread copying something
23:12.39superlinuxi have just moved a DVD iso file
23:13.00earthiansuperlinux: hardisks even in a raid0 are at least 100 times slowier than RAM/CPU
23:13.06jelly-homeWorf: unless the raid controller is smart enough and optimized for multiple streams
23:13.28S-i-Ajelly-home: and if the directory add in repository
23:13.42superlinuxi cannot tell, i have a smart raid V
23:14.22superlinuxwhat if i used dd?
23:14.37Worfjelly-home: hmm - i don't have any experience with such raid controllers ... how well does that work?
23:14.44jelly-homesuperlinux: what are you trying to do?
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23:15.39eflynnhello, what can you recommend for a lightweight, gui window manager?  i'm running fluxbox
23:15.43superlinuxnothing much bro.. just simple file copy. however, i said i have this monster beside me, it doesn't copy at once
23:15.59superlinuxeflynn, motif
23:16.02superlinuxmwm
23:16.11amphieflynn: openbox ;)
23:16.11superlinuxvery light
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23:16.32eflynncrap sorry i meant *file* manager
23:16.38eflynnfreudian slip or something
23:16.44earthiansuperlinux: its not that monster to be able to copy a 4 gig file at once :p
23:16.58jelly-homeWorf: a single dd reading from a raw device does ~700MB/s; a single dd reading a file on ext3 does maybe ~200MB/s; but three of those make the card more busy.
23:17.02abrotmaneflynn: xfe ?
23:17.41jelly-homeWorf: um, where "raw device" is what the OS sees; it's actually a raid6.
23:17.43amphieflynn: filerunner? gentoo? I don't really use FMs
23:18.09superlinuxi'll see the difference
23:18.11eflynnamphi, you don't?
23:18.15Iridosxterm!
23:18.15superlinuxi'll tell u
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23:18.45Worfjelly-home: impressive ... sounds like ... controllers way beyond what i've seen so far
23:18.51amphieflynn: no; I occasionally use mc, mostly for taking a quick look in some tarball
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23:20.10Guerini occasionally use mc too
23:20.20Guerinbut it pisses me off
23:20.25amphiheh
23:20.31earthianmc>* for me
23:20.39Iridoseflynn, me neither... what's a filemanager good for anyways...
23:21.11jelly-homeWorf: it's a relatively cheap direct-attached storage box with lots of sata disks
23:21.27eflynni guess all i want to do is have firefox do something when i click "Open containing folder"
23:21.43eflynnmaybe i don't even need a gui file manager
23:21.45eflynnjust a console
23:21.51jelly-homeWorf: distributor says they sell them mostly to video processing people
23:22.40earthiani have two cheap 500gb sata disks on raid0 on my router/nas which is capable of around 120mb/s speed
23:22.47Worfyeah, they tend to want such stuff
23:23.00jelly-homeWorf: http://www.google.com/search?q=eonstor+A24F-G2430
23:23.00Iridoseflynn, that's indeed annoying - there used to be a "copy download location" or similar in the FF menu
23:23.10earthianthats good coz i have a workstation connected with two gbit lan links :)
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23:23.36jelly-homeearthian: a single gbit card should be enough for 120MB/s, though
23:23.47earthianjelly-home: probably yes
23:24.43earthianhowever 100mbit gives me around 6-7MB/s copy speed.. i was assuming 1000Mbit would give me 60-70 :)
23:24.59earthianand two 120-140
23:25.49Worfjelly-home: i feel small with the 3-disk software raid5 i'm planning to build the next days ...
23:25.50jelly-homeearthian: NFS gives 11-12MB/s over 100Mpbs here.
23:26.08earthiani was talking about netcat :o
23:26.38earthianlike in dd something -> netcat = 7MB/s
23:26.44jelly-homeearthian: that sucks
23:27.07Iridoseflynn, I guess if it's just for FF, and you just want it to do "something", you could use xmessage
23:27.18earthiannload shows an average of 98Mbit/s usage of the LAN link...
23:27.23eflynnIridos, ah
23:27.56Guerin8MB/s is about the real-world limit for a 100mbit link, barring compression
23:28.01S-i-Ajelly-home: look that http://paste.debian.net/24945/plain/24945 :)
23:28.05jelly-homeGuerin: nonsense.
23:28.24enoufearthian: what?
23:28.25earthianGuerin: i think 12
23:28.36jelly-homeGuerin: like I said, I routinely get 11-12MB/s with freakin nfs.
23:28.44Guerinjelly-home: it's possible to do 12ish in some cases, but you can't reliably do it with all data in all setups
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23:29.07enoufearthian: what? that's 96bits/sec, no way
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23:29.19jelly-homeGuerin: it's quite uncompressible data.
23:29.21earthian96 MbitS
23:29.24enoufer..
23:29.26enoufduh
23:29.32earthian:p
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23:29.55mavhcdepends what you measure, size of tcp packets, or data within them
23:29.56enoufearthian: you wan jumbo frames with gbit, and you ain't getting it with nvidia onboard crap
23:30.25earthianenouf: i am getting 98mbit with 100mbit client
23:30.42enoufearthian: something is lying to you
23:30.44earthianalso i have intel crap :)
23:30.50earthianwhy?
23:30.52enoufthat's good shit
23:30.52Iridoseflynn, also, according to this, http://rubylution.ping.de/articles/2007/09/11/open-containing-folder-in-firefox-under-linux , you can set network.protocol-handler.app.file to "open" and FF itself will open the directory (but my iceweasel 3 doesn't have that option)
23:31.36eflynni think that depends on the desktop environment used
23:31.42earthiani.e. 1000/100/10Mbit port on server and 100/10 on client.. i get around 98 here.
23:32.02earthiani think its enough
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23:32.33Iridoseflynn, oh, not surprising - you have to create that option... read the url, it's interesting
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23:34.04eflynnIridos, oh! ok.
23:34.08eflynni see now
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23:35.25Iridoseflynn, doesn't work for me, though
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23:37.16moldyhi
23:37.28moldywhat format is the known_hosts file on debian in? how do i determine which key belongs to which host?
23:38.55enoufeflynn: like many things in Bloated DEs, i wish i knew what "open containing folder" meant, so i could possibly reply to your query
23:39.34Trampmoldy: man ssh-keygen, search for -F
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23:39.54amphienouf: the Institute thanks you for your incomprehension
23:39.55jelly-homeenouf: so install his bloated DE and take a look!
23:40.11enoufamphi: danke ;-)
23:40.19enoufjelly-home: nevAr!
23:40.23eflynnthunar seems to do the trick
23:40.25schme_So #debian. Who can recommend a good audio player to replace my cmus?
23:40.31jelly-homeenouf: then you don't really wish it.
23:40.38enoufheh, dolphins and thunes
23:40.50moldyTramp: hehe. ssh-keyscan cannot handle the file.
23:41.01moldyTramp: ssh-keyscan apparently expects plaintext
23:41.10Iridosenouf, DE?
23:41.22Iridosenouf, FF is a DE?
23:41.36enoufeflynn: to me a FM also allows one to move/edit shit, for fast browsing of dirs in gui mode, nothing beats links2
23:41.54enoufIridos: anybody using Firepoop also uses a bloated DE
23:41.56Trampmoldy: who said something about "ssh-keyscan"??
23:42.07Iridosenouf, than I ain't anybody
23:42.20moldyTramp: ah, sorry
23:42.25Iridosanyways, there's no good alternative to FF
23:42.25enoufIridos: and yes, Firepoop is as bloated as any DE
23:42.37jelly-homewtf is Firepoop?
23:42.48enoufhaha
23:42.49Iridoselse I'd have kicked that memory hog
23:42.51abrotmanit's a poor attempt at humor
23:42.56eflynnheh, ... and firefox used to be considered lightweight
23:43.08enoufyep
23:43.10moldyTramp: ssh-keyscan -F wants a hostname
23:43.23moldyTramp: ssh-keygen i mean
23:43.43Trampmoldy: yes. This is as close as you get with a hashed known_hosts-file.
23:43.55Iridosjelly-home, you might call it iceweasel
23:44.34jelly-homeIridos: a rose by any other name.
23:44.42Trampmoldy: if you don't know which hosts may be mentioned there, you are sorta lost. That's the purpose of the hashing. It's IMHO a misguided attempt at security, which causes more problems than it's worth.
23:44.45moldyTramp: so it is hashed. ok.
23:45.13moldyTramp: that was more or less my original question: is it hashed or is it just encoded
23:45.31enoufwell thanks for saying so
23:45.37Trampmoldy: if you had asked this question, I would have told you in the first place.
23:46.11Iridosjelly-home, a rose is a rose...
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23:47.21stonedno
23:47.26stoneda rose isn't just a rose
23:47.34enoufit's a smelly stanky ho?
23:47.38stonedred rose is like love, white rose is friendship or something
23:47.44stonedyellow rose is soemthing else
23:47.47enoufand yellow?
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23:47.59stonedyou can't just give a girl a yellow rose and be like I love you!
23:48.01stonedanyway
23:48.06moldyTramp: my question was maybe not precise enough.
23:48.08jelly-homestoned: ffs!  I just wanted to say "I got it now".
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23:48.37mavhca green rose is for the colourblind
23:48.45Trampmoldy: well. Looks like we hit the core of the matter nevertheless 8)
23:48.59jelly-homedoesn't want to know about rose color coding.
23:49.10Iridosstoned, it was a quote as well... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_is_a_rose_is_a_rose_is_a_rose
23:49.46moldyTramp: yep. what made me wonder is that ssh-vulnkey shows a key for a strange hostname. i just found out that the questionable key is not in .ssh, but /etc/ssh
23:50.28Iridosjelly-home, but for what it's worth, I found your "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" rather funny after "firepoop" :)
23:51.07jelly-homeI try my best.
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23:58.23Iridoszzzz
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23:59.14IridosI'll use the silent moment to wish you all a happy new year :)
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