| 00:00.11 | enouf | !cliché |
| 00:00.50 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 00:00.50 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
| 00:01.05 | enouf | haha |
| 00:02.14 | RichiH | Iridos: don't do that, please |
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| 00:03.25 | iShock | Has anyone set up an icecast server? |
| 00:03.41 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 00:03.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 00:04.25 | Iridos | why? Anyways, my curiosity is more than satisfied |
| 00:05.15 | abrotman | it's considered very rude |
| 00:05.33 | abrotman | especially the whole channel |
| 00:05.40 | Iridos | sorry then |
| 00:05.57 | iShock | Can someone help me to set up an icecast server, or if it's set up right, figuring out why it doesn't stream. |
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| 00:07.54 | Iridos | still don't really see why it's considered rude |
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| 00:08.40 | abrotman | just ask the person next time |
| 00:09.27 | Iridos | iShock, still not so great a question... I've never used icecast, but you have a better chance for an answer if you say what you did, what went wrong, what you did to find out about what went wrong and where you got stuck... |
| 00:10.31 | iShock | Iridos: Where do I set the username/password/mount point? |
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| 00:14.22 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.11 | iShock | Hm |
| 00:15.11 | nick4_ | Lenny: I trying to configure the kernel (to install the nvidia 7xxx drivers, which are not in the repos of Lenny) with make menuconfig but I am missing ncurses-devel. Unfortunatelly I can't find something with that name with apt-get or aptitude. Any ideas? |
| 00:15.12 | iShock | Myb |
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| 00:15.59 | SeligArkin | Hey, I have a question regarding the install process. |
| 00:16.06 | SeligArkin | How can I tell it to install for an older chipset? |
| 00:16.33 | nick4_ | SeligArkin: mobo chipset? I have a 2001 computer and I didn't had to do anything special to install it |
| 00:16.38 | SeligArkin | The computer I am putting the HDD into is i386, but it does not support CD booting, so I put the HDd into one that does, but that comp is i686 |
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| 00:16.58 | SeligArkin | So when I boot on the comp it is in, it explodes |
| 00:17.06 | SeligArkin | not literaly, just a reboot |
| 00:17.22 | SeligArkin | so I need to know how to tell it to use i386 not i686 |
| 00:17.29 | jelly-home | SeligArkin: all available drivers will be installed in any case, if you move the disk to some other hardware, ideally it should just work |
| 00:17.36 | nick4_ | SeligArkin: what CPU and RAM? |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | install the -486 kernel |
| 00:18.05 | jelly-home | SeligArkin: is it really a 386? No FPU? |
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| 00:18.19 | Iridos | nick4_, you don't need to compile the whole kernel if you just need additional kernel modules... as for ncurses, you perhaps mean libncurses5-dev? |
| 00:18.25 | SeligArkin | It's an old packard bell platinum pro 650 |
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| 00:18.39 | SeligArkin | I did it before, I just can't for the life of me remember how I did it. x.x |
| 00:18.41 | enouf | SeligArkin: 686 |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | eh? |
| 00:18.57 | SeligArkin | Well when I boot the 686 install, it crashes |
| 00:19.04 | dvs | enouf: When did the 686 start? Pentium Pro? |
| 00:19.09 | enouf | yep |
| 00:19.12 | dvs | ok |
| 00:19.15 | abrotman | dvs: platinum pro .. not pentium pro |
| 00:19.18 | enouf | actually the p5, but ... |
| 00:19.24 | abrotman | 650 is the model number .. not a CPU |
| 00:19.30 | dvs | abrotman: I was asking about the chip, not the computer. |
| 00:19.34 | enouf | 650MHz i'm presuming |
| 00:19.35 | SeligArkin | yeah |
| 00:19.35 | abrotman | and he didn't tell us yet |
| 00:19.40 | abrotman | enouf: i wouldn't |
| 00:19.45 | abrotman | SeligArkin: do you iknow what CPU is in it? |
| 00:19.47 | enouf | SeligArkin: details! |
| 00:19.49 | SeligArkin | This is the default, just with extra ram |
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| 00:19.55 | enouf | extra? |
| 00:20.04 | SeligArkin | Not sure how much, I just know it has more |
| 00:20.05 | dvs | I had a Pentium Pro 200. Those cases were big. |
| 00:20.06 | enouf | unleaded? premium? |
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| 00:20.17 | dvs | enouf: heh |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | it's a P1 |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | 166Mhz or so .. so he'll need to install the -486 kernel and remove the -686 versions |
| 00:20.46 | enouf | p1 withouy mmx is not 686, with mmx is, iinm |
| 00:20.47 | nick4_ | Iridos: the Nvidia installer sais I need to configure the linux source and the only thing I can think of as 'configure' is a "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig" |
| 00:20.55 | jelly-home | enouf: nope |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | MMX isn't -686 |
| 00:21.09 | SeligArkin | so I transplant it back, apt-get the right kernel, and it will work? |
| 00:21.12 | abrotman | it's part of it .. but some P1 had mmx |
| 00:21.13 | enouf | wait .. darnnit ... is it a p166? |
| 00:21.18 | abrotman | SeligArkin: hopefully |
| 00:21.21 | abrotman | enouf: yes .. |
| 00:21.27 | SeligArkin | Hmm |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | or so google leads me to believe |
| 00:21.34 | enouf | oh, ok, i have a p150 |
| 00:21.41 | g0rd0n | damn, i have trouble getting y vserver to run... i installed debian lenny as base system with the vserver kernel, util-vserver and vserver-debiantools... then issued the command to create an etch vserver, which it set up, but it does not start, saying something like 'vserver ... suexec' is supported for running vservers only; aborting... any ideas? |
| 00:21.44 | enouf | and it's a p5, not a 686 |
| 00:21.49 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 00:22.21 | Iridos | eh? he answers, then immediately leaves... how weird |
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| 00:22.36 | enouf | the p166 were the 1st p-pros which were 686, but actually were of the p5 series - iirc - jelly-home ? |
| 00:22.49 | nick4 | Iridos: my mistake, I clicked on shut down. What did I miss? |
| 00:22.52 | abrotman | not all p166 are pentium pro |
| 00:22.58 | enouf | right |
| 00:23.01 | jelly-home | enouf: I know not of "p166", sorry |
| 00:23.15 | enouf | jelly-home: oh stop being a pedant |
| 00:23.44 | Iridos | nick4, my absoltely brilliant answer, which would have solved every problem you could possibly ever encounter in your life, of course - and no, I'm not going to repeat myself :-P |
| 00:24.17 | jelly-home | enouf: in any case, pentium (mmx or not), ppro and p2 all have different hw connectivity so you can't really mistake them |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | ppro is socket .. p2 is slot |
| 00:24.40 | Iridos | nick4, actually was just going to ask if you can't use the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 00:24.41 | enouf | jelly-home: what has that to do with -686 or not? |
| 00:24.45 | dvs | I thought they only has a Pentium Pro 150 and a Pentium Pro 200. |
| 00:24.47 | abrotman | and a ppro is a socket5 and a p1 is a socket7 |
| 00:24.48 | nick4 | Iridos: hah :D |
| 00:25.00 | iShock | So no one here could help with gstreamer to an icecast server? |
| 00:25.04 | abrotman | enouf: ppro and up are -686 .. P1 and lower is not .. |
| 00:25.11 | jelly-home | enouf: a p5 is never a 686. only ppro (expensive thingies) and p2+ are |
| 00:25.24 | nick4 | Iridos: let me check that |
| 00:25.50 | Iridos | judd, versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:25.50 | judd | Iridos: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 173.14.09-5 experimental/non-free: 177.82-1 |
| 00:26.23 | Iridos | nick4, ^^ if you don't need newer than that, it would be highly recommended to use this package |
| 00:26.33 | enouf | jelly-home: no, there are p5 series CPUs that have/use the -686 instruction set |
| 00:26.40 | nick4 | Iridos: actually I need an older than that, 71.xx |
| 00:26.49 | Iridos | ?? |
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| 00:27.18 | nick4 | Iridos: I see the two question marks but I dont understand what you are asking me |
| 00:27.32 | Iridos | why do you need something *older*? |
| 00:27.39 | nick4 | Iridos: geforce2 |
| 00:27.41 | jelly-home | enouf: I don't think so. Check your references. |
| 00:27.48 | Iridos | so? |
| 00:28.08 | enouf | jelly-home: i will .. i'm just a bit lazy .. but i will |
| 00:28.13 | nick4 | Iridos: if I go through the questionaire on nvidia.com it suggests 71.xx drivers for GForce2 Ti/GTS |
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| 00:29.14 | Iridos | judd, versions versions nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source |
| 00:29.14 | judd | Iridos: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 00:29.19 | Iridos | nick4, ^^ |
| 00:29.20 | iShock | Wth is this |
| 00:29.21 | iShock | WARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link xvimagesink0 to queue0 |
| 00:29.32 | Iridos | eh? |
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| 00:30.19 | iShock | gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! theoraenc quality=16 ! queue ! oggmux ! shout2send ip=192.168.1.106 port=8000 password=be mount=stream.ogg |
| 00:30.20 | Iridos | nick4, oh... 2 X versions - anyways, it's nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source -- sid/non-free: 71.86.07-1 |
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| 00:30.24 | nick4 | Iridos: sorry, I dont understand what the bot sais. That there are available 71xx drivers? |
| 00:30.45 | nick4 | Iridos: ok but that's on sid, I am on lenny |
| 00:30.48 | Iridos | nick4, I typoed... wrote versions 2 times... so the answer was just crap :) |
| 00:31.14 | Iridos | nick4, I'd say that doesn't matter in this case... |
| 00:31.14 | earthian | doh! This laptop is slowww.. i just did calculation of md5sum on /path/to/sdaimage on the server but it is taking forever on this laptop for md5sum -b /dev/sda :x |
| 00:32.27 | nick4 | Iridos: but... sid and lenny have the same exact version of the kernel? The nvidia module must be compiled for the exact version of the kernel (unfortunatelly, next time, Intel VGA!) |
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| 00:32.56 | Iridos | nick4, it's a source package... it'll make you compile your own anyways |
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| 00:33.50 | iShock | This is like fail ... |
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| 00:34.18 | Iridos | well, actually it's not a source package in the usual way but one of those special something-something-source pseudo binary packages... but nevermind that |
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| 00:35.18 | earthian | good night!!! |
| 00:35.26 | earthian | and thank you all for excellent help |
| 00:35.35 | iShock | Ping.. |
| 00:36.31 | iShock | What's wrong with this command for streaming? |
| 00:36.32 | iShock | gst-launch-0.10 v4l2src ! queue ! ffmpegcolorspace ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! theoraenc quality=16 ! queue ! oggmux ! shout2send ip=192.168.1.106 port=8000 password=hackmel mount=stream.ogg |
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| 00:38.43 | jamon | iShock: have you tried in #icecast? |
| 00:39.21 | cp1134 | is there a tool that will display the notes/info about what a package upgrade contains/fixes? |
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| 00:39.22 | Iridos | nick4, the difference to the nvidia installer you were trying to use is, that it's also automating making a debian package from it ... so your resulting files will be integrated properly |
| 00:39.54 | iShock | jamon: No answers .. it's dead. |
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| 00:40.08 | Iridos | patience... :) |
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| 00:40.32 | Iridos | most channels are not dead, just sleeping :P |
| 00:40.42 | nick4_ | I just dropped didn't I? |
| 00:40.48 | iShock | I've been working with this crap for 24 hours, I'm annoyed. |
| 00:40.50 | abrotman | cp1134: apt-listchanges |
| 00:41.25 | Iridos | nick4_, seems so.. whatcha read last |
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| 00:42.02 | cp1134 | abrotman: cool. thanks! |
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| 00:43.42 | nick4_ | Iridos: you saying "it's a source package..." |
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| 00:45.46 | Iridos | nick4_, http://pastebin.com/f1464b6b8 |
| 00:45.55 | nick4_ | The binary kernel Image I am running has beein configured in a specific way. Is there a way to configure the kernel sources the same way? |
| 00:46.06 | nick4_ | Iridos: oh.. I am pure console, let me note this down... |
| 00:46.12 | Iridos | oh |
| 00:46.14 | stoned_enkidu | make oldconfig |
| 00:46.31 | dvs | nick4_: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:46.56 | nick4_ | dvs: and how do I 'feed' this to the source? |
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| 00:47.14 | dvs | nick4_: That is the .config file |
| 00:47.22 | nick4_ | ahh |
| 00:47.33 | nick4_ | dvs: so I just place it on /usr/src/linux/.config ? |
| 00:47.38 | Iridos | but the point is you really don't need to compile a kernel... |
| 00:47.38 | stoned_enkidu | nick4, try make oldconfig, fastest way, if you have /proc/config.gz |
| 00:47.42 | dvs | nick4_: yup |
| 00:47.46 | iShock | Anyone used VLC to open a stream from a site? |
| 00:47.55 | nick4_ | okey, let me try this! |
| 00:47.58 | Iridos | stoned_enkidu, debian doesn't use /proc/config.gz |
| 00:48.29 | abrotman | still does in etch i think |
| 00:48.57 | Iridos | sure? I've never seen one around - really don't know why |
| 00:49.06 | stoned_enkidu | Iridos, so how could i do that? wait... maybe i got own kernel and i wanna configure another? |
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| 00:49.46 | Iridos | stoned_enkidu, like dvs said... the normal debian config is in /etc/boot/config-KERNELVERSION |
| 00:49.58 | dvs | etc? |
| 00:50.04 | Iridos | ios |
| 00:50.07 | Iridos | ops |
| 00:50.12 | Iridos | typo-hell |
| 00:50.18 | Iridos | without /etc/ |
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| 00:50.38 | hugleo | hello |
| 00:51.14 | hugleo | Is possible disable X in debian? |
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| 00:51.20 | iShock | Anyone used VLC to open a stream from a site? |
| 00:51.28 | Iridos | hugleo, just uninstall it... |
| 00:51.39 | abrotman | !tell hugleo about nodm |
| 00:51.49 | themill | !remove x |
| 00:51.49 | dpkg | i guess remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
| 00:51.51 | hugleo | I've edited /etc/inittab file with id:3:initdefault: and don't work |
| 00:52.10 | stoned_enkidu | <ot>irc + cell phone = fail</ot> |
| 00:52.51 | hugleo | Iridos, But I don't want remove X |
| 00:53.13 | Supaplex | hugleo: did you mean <nodm> ? |
| 00:53.24 | flick | hugleo : should be able to append a 3 to the kernel line in grub as the machine is first booting |
| 00:53.42 | flick | and that should put you at runlevel 3 |
| 00:54.12 | Iridos | flick, and? |
| 00:54.37 | flick | well that should prevent X from starting |
| 00:54.48 | Iridos | flick, the point is that debian runlevels don't differ from each other |
| 00:55.14 | flick | ah, sorry |
| 00:55.17 | flick | my fault |
| 00:55.20 | enouf | jelly-home: afaict, after a quick review, i guess i was confusing MMX with -686 (unofficial name for the p6 series microarchitecture, which is indeed much different than the pentium (i586) and pentium mmx (still i586) - and my p150 (pentium-S) has MMX) so .. ok, my bad |
| 00:55.32 | jelly-home | shrugs |
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| 00:56.16 | jelly-home | 686 has that CMOV thing and some other stuff |
| 00:56.30 | themill | some of them can even do FDIV. |
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| 00:57.51 | jelly-home | I only know of CMOV because libc6 makes it visible in installation paths |
| 00:58.16 | enouf | jelly-home: and PAE - but it gets even more strange, and i even have still to fiddle more (but i'm lazy) .. i could've swore at one time, this p150 used to say pentium-pro 166 in the POST messages - i had fiddled with teh dip switches though, and the chipset is very near what my p2 can do (BusMastering, etc) .. but for now, i'll just shrug as well :-) |
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| 00:58.37 | themill | jelly-home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug |
| 00:59.42 | jelly-home | f00f! |
| 01:00.10 | flick | hugleo : this forum discussion may help you : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-stop-x-server-396169/ |
| 01:00.35 | hugleo | flick, thks |
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| 01:02.17 | flick | hugleo and iridos : sorry about jumping the gun on the runlevel 3 bit |
| 01:02.33 | flick | hugleo : I think that forum link and discussion will help |
| 01:03.21 | hugleo | flick, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html |
| 01:03.31 | hugleo | 8.1.4 "Let me disable X on boot!" |
| 01:04.18 | flick | hugleo : nice find |
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| 01:05.56 | fantomas | hi all. Is it possible to activate another screen with a keyboard? Currently I need to move mouse to get into another screen |
| 01:05.59 | Iridos | I don't really see the point... if there's something you don't want tor run, uninstall it... why would you have it installed but not use it |
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| 01:06.53 | abrotman | Iridos: just because you dont' want gdm to run every boot, doesn't mean you won't want it every other boot |
| 01:07.14 | hugleo | abrotman, yes |
| 01:07.18 | Iridos | fantomas, I guess you mean another virtual desktop... if so, then yes - and the how depends on your WM and configuration |
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| 01:08.04 | fantomas | Iridos: no, another screen - like another monitor |
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| 01:08.09 | fantomas | Iridos: and I don't use Xinerama |
| 01:08.29 | fantomas | Iridos: and Gnome here |
| 01:08.51 | Iridos | abrotman, well, maybe... but it's a bit unusual... I could consider a machine that runs as a server most of the time but you'd sometimes sit down on it... |
| 01:08.55 | god_ | trying to overclock eeepc http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:overclockfsb which is running debian get error http://pastebin.com/m523c71a9 have all header files installed |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | Iridos: perhaps . not sure why your server needs X though |
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| 01:10.21 | Iridos | abrotman, just trying to make something up where you'd have X but not want to start it.... still seems kinda unlikely to me :) |
| 01:10.51 | hugleo | bye bye for now. |
| 01:10.56 | hugleo | thanks to all |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman | Iridos: ask him, not me :) |
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| 01:11.16 | superlinux | hi guys |
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| 01:12.57 | superlinux | i have ( killed -9) a process that used the swap too much, i want to clear that sized used swap, i dont want clear other swaping for other processes |
| 01:13.02 | doti | hello. When i run links2 -g says "/dev/fb0 and /dev/fb/0 failed --> No such file or device" What can i do? |
| 01:13.32 | Toweliee | ouvindo Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry, Be Happy ! [quality:128kbits 44Hz time:03:56] |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | Toweliee: turn that off |
| 01:14.10 | superlinux | abrotman, do u have any answer to mine? |
| 01:14.18 | Toweliee | abrotman dont worry be happy |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | you don't have to do any thing |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | Toweliee: turn it off |
| 01:14.35 | jelly-home | Toweliee: he meant the now playing script, not the tune. |
| 01:14.36 | Toweliee | dontt worry |
| 01:15.08 | superlinux | be happy! |
| 01:15.11 | superlinux | :) |
| 01:15.26 | Iridos | prefers "die happy" |
| 01:15.43 | superlinux | Iridos, always |
| 01:16.20 | superlinux | i'll keep that in my mind. i'll tell a joke, then |
| 01:16.55 | Iridos | (it's a bands name) |
| 01:17.19 | superlinux | Iridos,i never knew |
| 01:17.36 | superlinux | the issue now, back to our topic |
| 01:17.47 | superlinux | i have ( killed -9) a process that used the swap too much, i want to clear that sized used swap, i dont want clear other swaping for other processes |
| 01:18.10 | superlinux | cos i am afraid of slowing down the system |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | you don't have to do any thing |
| 01:18.15 | Iridos | there's nothing to do |
| 01:18.18 | superlinux | ok |
| 01:18.19 | Iridos | heh :) |
| 01:18.24 | superlinux | well |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | there is no "well", there's nothing to do |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | if you don't believe us, stop asking here |
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| 01:19.23 | superlinux | i have problem that my system does not hold over two or three days uptime on 2.6.27.8 |
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| 01:19.52 | amphi | superlinux: did you try a debian kernel? |
| 01:19.54 | jelly-home | superlinux: sounds like a kernel issue |
| 01:20.29 | superlinux | well i am using the kernels from kernel.org |
| 01:20.42 | g0rd0n | my vserver is running now, and i installed a few things, but postfix complains about /proc being empty and wont configure. what can i do? |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | superlinux: try a debian kernel .. see if the problem persists |
| 01:20.57 | Toweliee | ohh mann, i have no idea what's going on |
| 01:20.59 | superlinux | ok |
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| 01:22.24 | superlinux | i have a Xeon system |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | why does that matter? |
| 01:23.22 | superlinux | what kernel i should select, non is mentioned |
| 01:23.26 | cafuego | Increases the vpenis, dontcherknow? |
| 01:23.36 | abrotman | superlinux: -686 |
| 01:23.41 | superlinux | ok |
| 01:23.41 | cafuego | superlinux: i686 if 32bit, amd64(-k8) if 64 bit |
| 01:24.12 | superlinux | but i noticed differences in the kernel configuration |
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| 01:24.42 | god_ | trying to overclock eeepc http://wiki.eeeuser.com/howto:overclockfsb which is running debian kernel version 2.6.26-1-686 get error http://pastebin.com/m523c71a9 have all header files installed |
| 01:24.43 | abrotman | superlinux: so what? use the damn debian kernel |
| 01:24.57 | superlinux | ok |
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| 01:27.32 | cafuego | if you're running a server on non-64 bit... well... |
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| 01:30.19 | ComradeHaz | hi all, suffering this problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/problem-using-screen-cannot-open-your-terminal-devpts0-please-check.-338313/ |
| 01:30.37 | ComradeHaz | but don't know what is meant by: "As the owner and user of the pts, simply allow others read/write access by chmodding it..". Can someone please help me out? |
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| 01:33.43 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: do you want an explanation of that text, or do you really want to solve some other issue? |
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| 01:34.01 | Iridos | ComradeHaz, that's not the point of the thread... the point is that you only get the error at all when you don't log in as that user... |
| 01:34.40 | ComradeHaz | well, I understand the problem, but the solution appears to be "simply allow others read/write access by chmodding it." but I don;t understand what 'it' is... |
| 01:35.10 | jelly-home | your tty. |
| 01:35.35 | ComradeHaz | o.O How would I go about doing that? |
| 01:35.38 | Iridos | ComradeHaz, that's not a proper solution.... that's just giving everyone access to your tty... |
| 01:35.41 | cafuego | of course, giving others access to write to yuor tty on a multuiuser system isn't generally a great idea. |
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| 01:35.58 | ComradeHaz | yer, sounds a bit rubbish |
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| 01:36.27 | Iridos | the "proper solution" in there is "don't su to a user, then use screen - use ssh or somesuch for a proper login" |
| 01:36.30 | ComradeHaz | is it a bug or is it really designed to be like this? |
| 01:36.38 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 01:36.55 | cafuego | ComradeHaz: It's really supposed to be like this. |
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| 01:37.07 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: use screen inside su/sudo, or something else? |
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| 01:37.41 | ComradeHaz | well, I have a person with an account on my machine. I don;t want to have to use their password and we both want to join the same screen session for trouble shooting some stuff |
| 01:38.07 | petemc | chown user $(tty) |
| 01:38.12 | petemc | su user ; screen -x |
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| 01:38.41 | ComradeHaz | they don't have root privilidges either, of course... |
| 01:38.48 | petemc | and you dont? |
| 01:38.48 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: but you do. |
| 01:39.00 | ComradeHaz | uh |
| 01:39.11 | ComradeHaz | so how would they connect to a screen session running as root? |
| 01:40.21 | cafuego | You make *them* run screen, then you connect to THAT as root. |
| 01:40.25 | ComradeHaz | [01:37:31] <jelly-home> ComradeHaz: use screen inside su/sudo, or something else? «--- I guess I don't get what you mean here. |
| 01:40.42 | stoned | Today, I have been using debian for exactly 9 years. |
| 01:40.51 | Guerin | stoned: hooray! |
| 01:40.53 | stoned | my friend gave me debian on jan 1. 2000 |
| 01:40.53 | ComradeHaz | [01:40:46] <cafuego> You make *them* run screen, then you connect to THAT as root. «--- how? |
| 01:40.55 | stoned | :) |
| 01:40.55 | Supaplex | I think you could chown the screen socket, but I've never bothered to try. Problem is, they could spawn a new screen in that session, and they'd have a root shell. |
| 01:40.59 | Iridos | I think he wants the guy to fix something as root, but wants to watch him... |
| 01:40.59 | Guerin | my dbianniversary is August 14 |
| 01:40.59 | enouf | quick - grab the bong |
| 01:41.03 | cafuego | ComradeHaz: Um. |
| 01:41.05 | Guerin | s/db/deb/ |
| 01:41.12 | cafuego | ComradeHaz: Remove your own root privs and logout, please ;-) |
| 01:41.18 | ComradeHaz | lool |
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| 01:41.28 | BlackBird | hey |
| 01:41.34 | BlackBird | why am I banned in ##politics |
| 01:41.39 | BlackBird | I don't get it |
| 01:41.42 | cafuego | BlackBird: trolling |
| 01:41.43 | enouf | cause you suck ass? |
| 01:41.44 | ComradeHaz | does sudo rm -R / |
| 01:41.49 | Guerin | BlackBird: because either you, or they, or both, are fuckwits |
| 01:41.49 | BlackBird | I pay into REAL world debian problems |
| 01:41.52 | BlackBird | oh |
| 01:41.54 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: petemc just told you how. if you do that thing above, you will (as root) change the ownership of your current tty to that user, and then open a shell as that user, then run screen -x |
| 01:41.55 | BlackBird | well- perhaps both |
| 01:41.57 | Guerin | BlackBird: i'm going with `both' |
| 01:42.03 | BlackBird | oh well |
| 01:42.07 | BlackBird | so I suffer |
| 01:42.15 | BlackBird | I really want in that channel |
| 01:42.19 | BlackBird | I feel so incomplete |
| 01:42.21 | Guerin | BlackBird: if you believe ops have been unfair, complain in #freenode |
| 01:42.23 | stoned | go bother someone else |
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| 01:42.25 | ComradeHaz | but there must be a better way than changing the tty priv's |
| 01:42.28 | cafuego | BlackBird: '/ignore BlackBird all' should sort it out |
| 01:42.28 | stoned | BlackBird, please keep it on topic |
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| 01:42.32 | BlackBird | Guerin - fair enough |
| 01:42.33 | Guerin | BlackBird: complaining about it in here will get you banned in here too |
| 01:42.39 | stoned | stop feeling the troll! |
| 01:42.44 | jelly-home | applies cafuego's solution |
| 01:42.45 | BlackBird | feeding ! |
| 01:42.47 | BlackBird | and besides |
| 01:42.53 | stoned | that too |
| 01:42.54 | BlackBird | I write my OWN damn OS kernel |
| 01:42.55 | enouf | stoned: you're welcome to send BlackBird the <enter> factoid anytime now ;-) |
| 01:42.57 | nsadmin | ugh, yes, don't feel up the troll |
| 01:42.58 | BlackBird | you parasites |
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| 01:43.04 | abrotman | BlackBird: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 01:43.10 | BlackBird | and I'll dance circles around you until otherwise |
| 01:43.12 | jelly-home | can we get back to ttys! |
| 01:43.19 | BlackBird | I have programmed macro assembly since 1974 |
| 01:43.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: just silence him. |
| 01:43.23 | BlackBird | I OWN your asses |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | BlackBird: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 01:43.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 01:43.30 | BlackBird | no |
| 01:43.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-71-61-28-166.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 01:43.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:43.34 | enouf | man, by the time i typed that, 4100 lines went by already .. heh |
| 01:43.35 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 01:43.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | BlackBird: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 01:43.55 | stoned | ey! |
| 01:44.02 | stoned | shaddup. I do not use enter that much |
| 01:44.02 | nsadmin | oi? |
| 01:44.10 | stoned | kicks enouf in da nutz |
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| 01:44.48 | enouf | stoned: i was just trying to give someone else er ... your own medicine? :-p |
| 01:44.50 | stoned | lets do a new year update |
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| 01:45.20 | nsadmin | enouf: if that woudln't be practicing medicine without a license, I dunno what would! |
| 01:45.27 | stoned | Hit http://bozo3k.free.fr ./ Packages |
| 01:45.28 | stoned | haha |
| 01:45.30 | stoned | bozo! |
| 01:45.31 | enouf | s/give/share ;-) |
| 01:45.31 | ComradeHaz | lol at BlackBird |
| 01:45.58 | enouf | nsadmin: we;re all hippies at heart - who need doctors ;-) |
| 01:46.03 | stoned | hey cool dpkg was updated |
| 01:46.07 | enouf | needs* |
| 01:46.09 | ComradeHaz | loool, you should check out the drivel being chatted in that #politics channel |
| 01:46.12 | stoned | reads the changelog |
| 01:46.13 | ComradeHaz | it's almost funny :D |
| 01:46.26 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: run the command "tty". It'll show a path to a device. every console and terminal emulator binds a device like that, and reading or writing to it makes the terminal display stuff or your keyboard commands accepted. |
| 01:46.36 | Guerin | ComradeHaz: yeah. It's neo-nazis vs insane zionists, normally. |
| 01:46.37 | enouf | ComradeHaz: it's been that way for years |
| 01:46.45 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: so one terminal = one tty device. |
| 01:46.47 | cafuego | ComradeHaz: I assume it's about as useless as the drivel usually chatted in parliaments around the globe |
| 01:47.05 | ComradeHaz | wooah, uber highlightedness :D |
| 01:47.15 | stoned | crackheads |
| 01:47.20 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: now, a user can only start screen if he owns the tty screen is being started in |
| 01:47.20 | stoned | smiles |
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| 01:47.38 | enouf | +cokewhores .. now there's a party ;-) |
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| 01:47.58 | nsadmin | I really dunno how much drivel is said on #politics with a snivel |
| 01:48.04 | enouf | now - back to ttysnoop stuffs |
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| 01:48.35 | Toweliee | off topic all the time here |
| 01:48.37 | ComradeHaz | lol enouf I ai'nt snoopin'! |
| 01:48.38 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: so if your remote user already has a screen session running, you can attach to it by su-ing to that user, then running screen -x. |
| 01:48.56 | stoned | screen doctor! |
| 01:48.59 | stoned | screen -dr |
| 01:49.03 | stoned | =D |
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| 01:49.12 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: for screen -x to work, you need to set the ownership of the tty device to that user |
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| 01:49.19 | ComradeHaz | [01:49:02] <jelly-home> ComradeHaz: so if your remote user already has a screen session running, you can attach to it by su-ing to that user, then running screen -x. «--- yes but sudo su user doesn't work |
| 01:49.23 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@c-71-61-28-166.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 01:49.25 | ComradeHaz | I'd need to use their password |
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| 01:49.31 | Supaplex | script + tail ftw. :) |
| 01:49.36 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: nope |
| 01:49.51 | ComradeHaz | o.O What have I missed? |
| 01:50.07 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: "sudo su user" will ask for _your_ credentials to run "su user", as root |
| 01:50.20 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: are you using debian? |
| 01:50.24 | ComradeHaz | yeah |
| 01:50.26 | ComradeHaz | of course :D |
| 01:50.35 | ComradeHaz | be a bit cheeky to ask in here otherwise :D |
| 01:50.36 | Iridos | which is kind of stupid... I mean to run the additional su |
| 01:50.42 | avu | I always found 'sudo su' to be quite the sily idiom :) |
| 01:50.48 | Guerin | rather |
| 01:50.49 | jelly-home | is suspicious of sudo users |
| 01:50.54 | ComradeHaz | lol |
| 01:51.01 | nsadmin | su su sudosu |
| 01:51.04 | Guerin | is suspicious of sudo users who think sudo is magical |
| 01:51.07 | ComradeHaz | I got used to it under ubuntu and quite like it |
| 01:51.07 | Iridos | su su sudio... |
| 01:51.28 | Iridos | that's a genesis song, right? right... |
| 01:51.29 | ComradeHaz | it makes sense to my mind :) |
| 01:51.44 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: so first change the ownership of your current tty to that user's username, then su to him and screen -x |
| 01:51.47 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.48 | dpkg | stoned: i haven't seen 'susudio' |
| 01:51.53 | jelly-home | !sing sussudio |
| 01:51.54 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 01:52.00 | Toweliee | what problem do you have with sudo? |
| 01:52.02 | ComradeHaz | ahh, I see what you mean jelly |
| 01:52.03 | stoned | hey my keybord sucks ok |
| 01:52.07 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 01:52.17 | ComradeHaz | I still reckon there'll be a better way : |
| 01:52.19 | ComradeHaz | :) |
| 01:52.21 | stoned | !seen sussudio |
| 01:52.21 | dpkg | sussudio is currently on #debian (3d 4h 2m 58s), last said: 'you said remove and now you want to restart itr'. |
| 01:52.29 | stoned | oh he here |
| 01:52.36 | stoned | and he talks |
| 01:52.37 | Guerin | stoned: she |
| 01:52.45 | stoned | whatever |
| 01:52.50 | stoned | on irc everybody is sexless |
| 01:52.56 | Guerin | !sex |
| 01:52.56 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 01:52.57 | avu | with most modern sudo setups, having access to your user account automatically means having root access. that scares me a bit. once the first real ubuntu trojan comes out, it'll surely take advantage of this. :) |
| 01:53.00 | Iridos | there's no women on the internet |
| 01:53.01 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:53.02 | nsadmin | which is not to imply they don't have sex |
| 01:53.04 | Guerin | not that one |
| 01:53.07 | Guerin | !gender |
| 01:53.07 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 01:53.15 | ComradeHaz | ok, I'm going to make it a little project (tomorrow) to figure a better way of doing this. IO'll report back :D |
| 01:53.45 | Guerin | Iridos: i know a few who would beg to differ |
| 01:53.46 | jelly-home | avu: by "most modern" you mean number of ubuntu installations? then yes |
| 01:53.59 | Iridos | Guerin, they may beg.... |
| 01:54.07 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 01:54.14 | avu | jelly-home, any sudo setup in the ubuntu style. opensuse and fedora use it too, afaik |
| 01:54.16 | Guerin | Iridos: most of the ones I know would make you |
| 01:54.22 | ComradeHaz | I wonder how quickly I could go from zero to banned on #politics :D |
| 01:54.26 | avu | jelly-home, and I've seen debian users do it as well |
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| 01:54.36 | nsadmin | ComradeHaz: howbout this |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | ComradeHaz: ask them, not us |
| 01:54.43 | jelly-home | ComradeHaz: you think you'll have a simpler way than running three commands, sure |
| 01:54.53 | mischief6 | hello, can anyone tell me how to change the looks of the login window in debian 4.0? |
| 01:54.57 | nsadmin | ComradeHaz: he logs in |
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| 01:55.05 | ComradeHaz | I just don;t like the idea of switching owner of tty |
| 01:55.13 | Toweliee | mischief6 kdm? |
| 01:55.13 | Guerin | mischief6: in gnome's control centre, configure gdm |
| 01:55.22 | jelly-home | avu: I do it myself on my machine, but don't advertise the idioms |
| 01:55.24 | mischief6 | i am using xfce :x |
| 01:55.25 | nsadmin | you su to him, run screen as him, su - |
| 01:55.32 | Supaplex | ComradeHaz: does it have to be screen? why not script+tail ? |
| 01:55.32 | nsadmin | then tell him to attach |
| 01:55.50 | Guerin | mischief6: whatever, you need to configure gdm, because that's the thing which handles logins by default |
| 01:55.52 | jelly-home | nsadmin: to "run screen as him" the tty needs to be his |
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| 01:56.00 | stoned | hey gooeys |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | mischief6: gdmsetup |
| 01:56.05 | stoned | where do you check to see ITPs |
| 01:56.11 | stoned | recently files etc. |
| 01:56.11 | Guerin | h, is that how it's done nowadays |
| 01:56.19 | Toweliee | what login manager are u using? |
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| 01:56.22 | mischief6 | aha, thanks abrotman |
| 01:56.29 | Supaplex | !u |
| 01:56.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:56.31 | stoned | recemtly filed itps |
| 01:56.45 | stoned | recently |
| 01:56.49 | nsadmin | debian-devel-announce? |
| 01:56.50 | Guerin | stoned: debian-devel-announce? |
| 01:56.57 | Guerin | nsadmin: oy. |
| 01:57.00 | stoned | hm ok |
| 01:57.11 | avu | jelly-home, I use sudo too, but I set timestamp_timeout to 0 |
| 01:57.19 | nsadmin | dere's list archives |
| 01:57.26 | stoned | fuck it i'm filing for php-gtk |
| 01:57.31 | nsadmin | lewk at dose |
| 01:57.31 | jelly-home | there's so fucking /msg dpkg itp |
| 01:57.34 | stoned | aint nobody did it yet im gettin impatient |
| 01:57.35 | jelly-home | also* |
| 01:57.48 | stoned | its useless |
| 01:57.52 | jelly-home | and one msg from it, /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 01:57.54 | stoned | oh uhm. its 'fucking' useless |
| 01:57.55 | stoned | :/ |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | enter key is hyperactive |
| 01:58.26 | jelly-home | stoned: no, you're less than competent at digging for right info |
| 01:58.31 | Iridos | Guerin, I was actually kind of referring to a certain cartoon that I found very fitting, but am unable to locate anymore - shows a big room with a sign with something like "meeting of #haiti-bikini-gils" and a bunch of fat dudes eating pizza underneath |
| 01:58.32 | jelly-home | blames the grass |
| 01:58.32 | nsadmin | php and gtk? so php is considered a general purpose language? |
| 01:58.38 | stoned | jelly-home, I hadn't even tried |
| 01:58.42 | stoned | I just asked here |
| 01:58.48 | stoned | had I bothere to find out, I'm sure I could have |
| 01:58.50 | Guerin | Iridos: quite. |
| 01:58.50 | stoned | and fuck you. |
| 01:58.56 | nsadmin | you should try first :P |
| 01:59.06 | jelly-home | stoned: fuck you too, and happy new year! |
| 01:59.16 | stoned | and to your wonder family as well. |
| 01:59.20 | stoned | wonderful. |
| 01:59.24 | nsadmin | yeah hapy new year |
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| 01:59.46 | gravity | nsadmin: Only by crazy people |
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| 02:00.09 | stoned | hey looky who it is, gravity ! |
| 02:00.24 | gravity | looks around |
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| 02:01.19 | enouf | o m g .. i get a phone call .. and all hell breaks loose ..wt4xroflcopters! |
| 02:01.39 | stoned | it wasn't me! |
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| 02:02.16 | nsadmin | how do you output to the headphone jack of an rme hdsp multiface2 |
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| 02:05.59 | stoned | man |
| 02:06.18 | stoned | I wanna play a multiplayer game, anyone have any recomendations on say, i dunno prepacakged mmorpgs? |
| 02:06.21 | stoned | in debian |
| 02:06.35 | stoned | the /msg dpkg debgames is too old, might as well consider it dead |
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| 02:06.52 | stoned | fantasty mmorpg with like dragons and shit |
| 02:07.32 | Iridos | just google for 'fantasty mmorpg with like dragons and shit' |
| 02:07.39 | stoned | lol |
| 02:07.46 | jan247 | hi guys, i needed to set my default depth to 24, since fglrx doesn't work otherwise. but all the fonts now are huge.. any fix? |
| 02:08.11 | stoned | jan247, first check font settings/sizes in your WM/DE |
| 02:08.30 | stoned | jan247, 2ndly, check for your current dpi and you may have to set it manually (or modify it) |
| 02:08.37 | Iridos | depth shouldn't have any influence on font sizes... |
| 02:08.54 | stoned | yeh dunno why he mentions it |
| 02:09.04 | stoned | its a definite typical dpi issue |
| 02:09.26 | jan247 | hmm.. yeah, i thought so. thanks nyway. yep, prolly dpi |
| 02:09.30 | stoned | either the monitor is not being polled correctly or something is overriding, doesn't X's xserverrc come with a default of dpi -100 |
| 02:09.31 | jan247 | thanks! |
| 02:09.33 | stoned | ? |
| 02:09.47 | Iridos | xrandr --dpi dpi might help to set it directly |
| 02:09.51 | stoned | I mean -dpi 100 |
| 02:10.14 | Iridos | doesn't do anything for me, though :( |
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| 02:11.34 | jan247 | xrandr doesn't help. but, yeah. definitely dpi. tnx |
| 02:11.51 | petemc | 44 |
| 02:11.55 | Iridos | no! |
| 02:11.57 | Iridos | 42! |
| 02:11.59 | jelly-home | stoned: if the monitor gives out DDC info (like physical size), X uses that to calculate dpi |
| 02:12.02 | petemc | :) |
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| 02:16.54 | speedy | what makes a daemon not to start on boot when there are rc*.d scripts for starting and killing and init.d script works fine for starting and stopping the daemon manually? |
| 02:17.38 | jelly-home | a runtime dependency not being satisfied at the time? |
| 02:17.57 | enouf | speedy: the rc?.d/ files are symlinks |
| 02:18.11 | speedy | enouf: yep |
| 02:18.16 | enouf | oh, ok |
| 02:18.56 | stoned | jelly-home, and what did I say? |
| 02:19.06 | enouf | maybe the FS/partition it needs isn't yet mounted? like say /var/ or /tmp/ is on it's own partition? |
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| 02:19.52 | enouf | speedy: specifics! |
| 02:19.58 | jelly-home | stoned: pretty much the same thing! |
| 02:20.48 | speedy | enouf: i'm using nginx, it runs with other processes at level 20 |
| 02:21.16 | stoned | :) |
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| 02:21.41 | jelly-home | not really a level, but a way to impose order of services starting |
| 02:22.23 | enouf | !info nginx |
| 02:22.37 | jelly-home | speedy: tried moving it to S99nginx, for a start? |
| 02:23.04 | enouf | speedy: does it install that way as default? did you compile it? |
| 02:23.05 | dpkg | nginx: (small, but very powerful and efficient web server), section web, is optional. Version: 0.6.34-2 (sid), Packaged size: 233 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
| 02:23.06 | speedy | jelly-home: nope, just default installation |
| 02:23.23 | enouf | speedy: maybe inetd needs to be up? |
| 02:23.29 | speedy | enouf: got it packaged from lenny repos |
| 02:23.35 | enouf | oh .. hrm .. |
| 02:23.36 | Iridos | check the logfiles... |
| 02:23.42 | speedy | enouf: it is a standalone daemon |
| 02:23.49 | enouf | speedy: put set -x in the init.d/ script |
| 02:24.25 | enouf | judd: depends nginx |
| 02:24.25 | judd | enouf: nginx -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 02:25.10 | schme_ | Anyone using the kde4.1 in experimental? Is it just me or is clickin' the lil menu thing in the lower left corner a wee bit slow? |
| 02:25.14 | enouf | speedy: did you use some other tool/util to mess with what starts/stops at various runlevels? |
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| 02:25.39 | enouf | schme_: see #debian-kde |
| 02:25.40 | speedy | enouf: nothing just default installation |
| 02:25.44 | schme_ | :) |
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| 02:26.05 | enouf | speedy: well .. i'm back to my partition not mounted in time theory |
| 02:26.53 | enouf | set -x and jelly-home 's suggestion are two other options |
| 02:26.53 | jelly-home | speedy: do you see anything in its logs at that time? |
| 02:26.54 | speedy | trying with S99nginx |
| 02:27.17 | speedy | nothing in syslog |
| 02:27.41 | Supaplex | he's not worthy of nginx hotness. |
| 02:27.42 | enouf | speedy: in runlevel2? .. grep initdefault /etc/inittab |
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| 02:27.57 | speedy | enouf: runlevel3 |
| 02:28.09 | enouf | haha |
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| 02:28.12 | speedy | id:2:initdefault: |
| 02:28.14 | speedy | sorry |
| 02:28.21 | enouf | what is that? fedora? :-P |
| 02:28.38 | enouf | ok |
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| 02:29.24 | enouf | speedy: pastebin your /etc/fstab for us? |
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| 02:30.24 | ryanCH | how come you have to do an "aptitude update" in order for some things to install right??? |
| 02:30.50 | schme_ | ryanCH: Sometimes the packages in the repos change, and you need to tell your aptitude about that. |
| 02:30.54 | Guerin | ryanCH: because if your apt doesn't know they're there, it can't install them. |
| 02:30.59 | speedy | enouf: http://dpaste.com/104418/ |
| 02:31.06 | ryanCH | hmm |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | ryanCH: packages change, if you try to get a file that doesn't exist, not going to work so well |
| 02:31.21 | schme_ | ryanCH: Maybe your aptitude is trying to install foo-1.2.3 and all of a sudden in the repo that is replaced with foo-1.2.4 |
| 02:31.56 | schme_ | ryanCH: Like if you do wget ftp://foo.com/foo and foo is renamed to bar.. not working , you need to update your knowledge of what files are there ;) |
| 02:32.09 | enouf | speedy: ok, not a partition not mounted in time issue, afaict with that ;-) |
| 02:32.37 | ryanCH | i see |
| 02:33.19 | jelly-home | speedy: you could also pump the service's log level to insane detail and make it log something |
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| 02:34.22 | speedy | nginx is running now after changing from S20 to S99 |
| 02:34.45 | jelly-home | speedy: yeah, but that's just a hack |
| 02:35.03 | speedy | jelly-home: may you assist me with that? |
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| 02:35.08 | jelly-home | speedy: it would be nicer to figure out what it really needs to be working in advance |
| 02:35.08 | lordnazgul | quick question: anyone know how to diff a local directory against a directory on another host? The remote host is not accessible via a trusted network, so i would like to do all communications over ssh or the like |
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| 02:35.33 | jelly-home | speedy: I don't use nginx, and as such can only offer generic advice |
| 02:35.51 | speedy | jelly-home: i mean changing log level |
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| 02:36.01 | jelly-home | speedy: that's service specific |
| 02:36.13 | Iridos | lordnazgul, rdiff? |
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| 02:37.01 | jelly-home | speedy: could be a verbosity / debug command line option; could be a config file setting |
| 02:37.57 | Iridos | hm, perhaps not |
| 02:38.13 | jelly-home | speedy: do you see the Starting [servicename]: ... line at bootup? |
| 02:38.34 | ryanCH | schme_: i just ran into a problem when booting my linux box, it says it couldn't boot because something "job control turned off" |
| 02:38.54 | ryanCH | now i'm at <ramfs> prompt |
| 02:38.55 | speedy | jelly-home: it is a remote server |
| 02:38.59 | enouf | speedy: set -x now might help a bit as well |
| 02:39.02 | lordnazgul | iridos doesnt look like it, looks like rdiff-backup may do it, but i dont want all the extra stuff for what should be pretty simple |
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| 02:39.10 | speedy | enouf: inplace of set -e ? |
| 02:39.11 | enouf | speedy: what |
| 02:39.31 | enouf | speedy: what SNN is openbsd-inetd set to? |
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| 02:39.38 | jelly-home | speedy: no, in addition to it |
| 02:39.42 | lordnazgul | iridos i think i may just use ssh user@remotehost -C "md5sum /dir/foo" and compare |
| 02:39.49 | bobbuttons | i'm using etch.. is it ok to add the testing repositories to my sources.list? |
| 02:39.52 | enouf | speedy: as jelly-home just mentioned |
| 02:40.08 | speedy | enouf: S20 |
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| 02:40.25 | speedy | jelly-home: set -xe or set -x -e ? |
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| 02:40.53 | superlinux | how can i save a module option? |
| 02:40.53 | enouf | speedy: or stop the service, then strace it's startup |
| 02:40.53 | jelly-home | speedy: separate line! :-) |
| 02:40.53 | Iridos | lordnazgul, I think it would.. but you'd have to get the signature-file... so I don't see it's a big advantage over making your own md5 sums the way you said |
| 02:40.53 | superlinux | or a driver option, in other words |
| 02:40.53 | enouf | speedy: -ex |
| 02:41.01 | jelly-home | speedy: I think all work |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | superlinux: man modprobe |
| 02:41.25 | superlinux | ok |
| 02:41.32 | jelly-home | enouf: if starting after the boot works, strace won't help him |
| 02:41.52 | enouf | speedy: try moving it from S99 now down to say S30 .. then S21 |
| 02:41.59 | Iridos | bobbuttons, if you want to upgrade to lenny... else you should use backports ( /msg dpkg bpo ) |
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| 02:42.41 | enouf | jelly-home: it would show what services it also want to fire up - but yeah .. i guess, if he doesn't kill them as well - oh well - twas a thought |
| 02:43.45 | enouf | speedy: telinit 1 && telinit 2 .. you could try that as well .. but, your DM might get in the way and flake out on you |
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| 02:45.25 | enouf | !any ideas |
| 02:45.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little WD-40, and 42 starving kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 02:45.47 | schme_ | !any ideas |
| 02:45.47 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 42 starving dairy cows. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:45.52 | schme_ | gives up on the kde for now. |
| 02:46.07 | schme_ | Instead I will hunt for a new irc client. |
| 02:47.00 | speedy | enouf: what does telinit 1 && telinit 2 do? other than disconnecting me from the box :) |
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| 02:47.19 | \amethyst | speedy: switches to runlevel 1 and then back to runlevel 2 |
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| 02:47.36 | superlinux | i am trying to read 64 AAC+ radio streaming to save on bandwidth. i tried audacious. i aborts when i paste the play list link. does any one know different one? |
| 02:47.44 | speedy | \amethyst: it takes time to do that ? |
| 02:47.45 | jelly-home | um... will that even work? telinit 1 && telinit 2 |
| 02:48.03 | jelly-home | superlinux: mplayer (from dmm) works |
| 02:48.04 | \amethyst | speedy: yes, it runs /etc/rc1.d/K* then /etc/rc1.d/S* then /etc/rc2.d/K* then /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 02:48.17 | superlinux | ok |
| 02:48.29 | jelly-home | superlinux: amarok works too, so I suspect anything xine-based will |
| 02:48.42 | superlinux | ok |
| 02:48.58 | superlinux | if it works i'll give u the link of the radio |
| 02:49.03 | hatter | i just tried to install debian on a biostar mobo - gf8100me+ with etchnhalf and it hangs on boot with : PCI: not using MMONFIG. Loading please wait... --> then after 5 minutes --> mdadm. no devices listed in conf file were found... any ideas ? |
| 02:49.36 | bobbuttons | Iridos: and after i upgrade.. i should leave the stable repos there, right? |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | no |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | bobbuttons: point your sources at lenny, not testing |
| 02:50.07 | speedy | seems like i've lost ssh access, it has been 3 minutes |
| 02:50.23 | speedy | rebooting the machine doesnt take that much of time |
| 02:50.23 | jelly-home | speedy: init 1 will do that. |
| 02:50.45 | jelly-home | speedy: it's time to push the button |
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| 02:51.01 | bobbuttons | abrotman: ok, but what's the difference? |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | lenny will be stable one day, testing is always testing |
| 02:51.21 | enouf | is some fool doing this crap remotely? |
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| 02:51.34 | \amethyst | then Esc b |
| 02:51.36 | \amethyst | doh |
| 02:51.36 | bobbuttons | hm.. but right now they're the same, isn't it? |
| 02:51.41 | jelly-home | speedy: your provider doesn't offer remote console access? |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | yes, but you want to track lenny |
| 02:52.14 | speedy | enouf: i've mentioned it is a remote server, thanks for your help and comment anyways |
| 02:52.30 | enouf | i guess i missed that part |
| 02:52.42 | speedy | jelly-home: i'll contact my provider to reboot |
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| 02:53.04 | jelly-home | speedy: uh, so no remote power either? :-| |
| 02:53.16 | jelly-home | bad provider |
| 02:54.02 | enouf | stops giving three options .. they always go for the third one only ;-) |
| 02:54.09 | speedy | jelly-home: not yet |
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| 02:55.40 | enouf | speedy: i didn't mean any harm or inconvenience, but i'd bet most would presume that if you say you have ssh access (not saying you did say that) that you would have console access, so changing runlevels wouldn't matter |
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| 02:57.10 | speedy | enouf: no problem, http://dpaste.com/104425/ |
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| 02:59.06 | karsten | enouf: There are only 10 types of options in the world .... |
| 02:59.19 | speedy | enouf: no worries i have another backup server with keepalived that already took over the master since the downtime |
| 02:59.21 | enouf | and all of them are binary? :-P |
| 02:59.27 | karsten | enouf: :) |
| 02:59.37 | karsten | enouf: ... I was going to say "just pick your base". |
| 02:59.46 | enouf | heh |
| 02:59.49 | karsten | ... and insert ObAYBABTU |
| 02:59.54 | enouf | speedy: ok, cool |
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| 03:07.58 | speedy | enouf: nginx started with S30, but not S21 |
| 03:08.02 | JyZyXEL | how did you see what process is writing to HD? |
| 03:08.28 | Iridos | lsof? |
| 03:08.52 | JyZyXEL | realtime |
| 03:09.01 | enouf | speedy: i'd suspect something starting at S21-S29 is causing it ;-) |
| 03:09.02 | Iridos | fuser? |
| 03:09.06 | Iridos | iotop? |
| 03:09.21 | JyZyXEL | iotop sounds good |
| 03:09.41 | enouf | speedy: er .. the lack of something starting then - you get me |
| 03:09.50 | speedy | S21nfs-common, S23ntp |
| 03:10.19 | enouf | JyZyXEL: iotop needs lenny libc6 and python/perl ? IIRC |
| 03:10.26 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 03:10.32 | enouf | judd: versions iotop |
| 03:10.33 | judd | enouf: iotop -- lenny: 0.2-3 sid: 0.2-3 |
| 03:11.15 | JyZyXEL | [kjournald] likes to do alot of writing |
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| 03:11.24 | enouf | speedy: you said something about launching it remotely? is this over nfs? |
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| 03:11.51 | speedy | enouf: i'm not using nfs |
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| 03:12.02 | enouf | speedy: i mean, nothing wrong with having nginx a bit later - such as S30, but i'd file a bug report, or something |
| 03:12.07 | JyZyXEL | !kjournald |
| 03:12.08 | enouf | ok |
| 03:12.27 | speedy | enouf: will do that |
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| 03:13.52 | speedy | thanks for your help guys |
| 03:15.03 | enouf | speedy: welcome - man update-rc.d says that defaults, when set, is S20 - so perhaps the maintainer just went with defaults in the .postinst .. no issues, no worries - now your there to help sort it ;-) |
| 03:16.00 | Iridos | speedy, so what's started between 20 and 30?... or assuming you tried all possible steps in between, what's it that's started last before 30 |
| 03:16.17 | enouf | Iridos: [22:07:53] <speedy> S21nfs-common, S23ntp |
| 03:16.24 | enouf | that's all i know |
| 03:16.45 | Iridos | oh, didn't see |
| 03:16.57 | Supaplex | speedy: what was the issue anyway? |
| 03:17.01 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: you have one kjournald (kernel thread) for every ext3 filesystem mounted |
| 03:17.12 | Iridos | funny... shouldn't be ntp and he says he's not using nfs |
| 03:17.21 | SerajewelKS | when writing a shell script, how can i redirect the standard input of the script to be the standard input of some command in that script? |
| 03:17.23 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: it's normal that they write stuff on disk. |
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| 03:17.47 | Iridos | perhaps it's one of the things that are started at S20 |
| 03:17.49 | enouf | JyZyXEL: try the noatime or relatime mount options |
| 03:18.18 | speedy | Supaplex: nginx not starting at the default S20 |
| 03:18.23 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: it'll be that way by default. |
| 03:18.25 | superlinux | jelly-home, amarok is the only that worked |
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| 03:18.44 | Supaplex | speedy: what's the transcript of bootup show? any logs? |
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| 03:18.48 | superlinux | jelly-home, this is the radio http://smoothjazz.com/streams/smoothjazz_64.pls |
| 03:18.51 | jelly-home | superlinux: not ever mplayer (from debian-multimedia) did? |
| 03:18.53 | superlinux | thanks |
| 03:19.05 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: for every command in a script? |
| 03:19.06 | superlinux | i'll see |
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| 03:19.21 | jelly-home | superlinux: did you add a -playlist argument? |
| 03:19.30 | superlinux | no |
| 03:19.33 | Iridos | doh, I even have nginx installed... beats me why, though :) |
| 03:19.33 | superlinux | i did not |
| 03:20.01 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: sure (unless there's a pipe in front or an explicit stdin redirection) |
| 03:20.08 | speedy | Supaplex: it is a remote server i cannot see the starting daemons, and nothing shows in logs related to nginx |
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| 03:20.58 | jelly-home | superlinux: mplayer is a bit stupid that way; what I usually do is wget the playlist link, then give it the _real_ stream url (that's inside) |
| 03:21.18 | Iridos | speedy, the only one that I see on my system that could be related would be S20inetd // S20openbsd-inetd |
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| 03:21.34 | Supaplex | speedy: sometimes my nginx install just errors out on startup. Seems to go away now that I'm stracing the living %*@$( out of the initscript + childs. I've never replicated the issue while strace is monitoring it. |
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| 03:22.01 | superlinux | jelly-home, LOL |
| 03:22.02 | Toba | can apt-cache list the files installed by a package? |
| 03:22.07 | superlinux | thats funny |
| 03:22.18 | superlinux | amarok directly resolves it |
| 03:22.35 | jelly-home | superlinux: no, it parses the playlist |
| 03:22.41 | Guerin | yeah, mplayer doesn't look into files, it just tries to play 'em |
| 03:22.42 | Supaplex | Toba: dpkg -L <package> if it's installed already. or apt-file search for any package. |
| 03:22.46 | Toba | thank you. |
| 03:22.47 | Guerin | unless you tell it it's a playlist |
| 03:23.03 | SerajewelKS | hrm, is there a shell command that can output everything but the first line of its standard input? 'head -n -1' works to print all but the last, but 'tail -n -1' doesn't work to print all but the first |
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| 03:23.14 | jelly-home | superlinux: if there are multiple stream alternatives in the playlist, amarok will enqueue all of them |
| 03:23.22 | JyZyXEL | damn /dev/hda won't stay in sleep mode for long |
| 03:23.26 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 03:23.37 | Guerin | this is a feature, not a bug, since I don't want it playing a bunch of random textfiles which may or may not have media URIs in unless I tell it to |
| 03:23.42 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i could keep it in sleep mode XD |
| 03:23.44 | speedy | Iridos: even at S22 it doesnt run |
| 03:23.59 | JyZyXEL | is there something? |
| 03:24.01 | jelly-home | Guerin: don't give it random textfiles |
| 03:24.51 | jelly-home | Guerin: it's a media player; if given a text file with a .m3u or .pls extension, I'd bloody well expect it to DWIM |
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| 03:25.11 | Iridos | speedy, perhaps that's just a runtime-ting and whatever was started at S22 isn't really up yet.... don't you get an error somewhere? someone suggested putting #!/bin/bash -x in the init script already, no? Would be most interesting to see why it says it fails |
| 03:25.20 | speedy | Supaplex: thanks for the hint, will try that |
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| 03:25.34 | SerajewelKS | hrm, it's 'tail -n +2' oddly enough |
| 03:25.35 | superlinux | jelly-home, the AAC+ seems really kewll! |
| 03:26.11 | superlinux | i feel the music! |
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| 03:26.21 | speedy | Iridos: i've added an 'x' to set -e |
| 03:26.40 | speedy | Iridos: not sure what to look for and where? |
| 03:26.52 | Guerin | jelly-home: i have it as a backend to cplay, and I feed it dirs full of all sorts of shit |
| 03:27.01 | jelly-home | speedy: where: on the console while the machine is booting |
| 03:27.13 | Iridos | speedy, well, probably not so useful if you can't see the console... |
| 03:27.54 | speedy | is there a way to log what is displayed on the console bootup? |
| 03:27.59 | Iridos | although you also could redicrect the output |
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| 03:28.09 | jelly-home | speedy: bootlogd supposedly does that |
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| 03:28.47 | newsense | hmm cant mount my usb thumb drive with fstab due to udev not creating the device node until after fstab is read, ideas ? |
| 03:28.48 | jelly-home | speedy: I don't know how and whether it works at all |
| 03:30.04 | Iridos | speedy, ah /etc/default/bootlogd it seems |
| 03:30.16 | jelly-home | newsense: an init script with mount -a, run at the end of the boot process? |
| 03:30.49 | newsense | ahh i guess i could do that |
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| 03:30.59 | jelly-home | !rc.local |
| 03:30.59 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
| 03:30.59 | TheUnderTaker | How often is a new debian released????? |
| 03:31.01 | newsense | didnt think it was necessary but i guess ill do that |
| 03:31.10 | user_corrupt | (noob) I just did a network install of debian, with a disk image and a virtual machine...and now Im trying to use apt-get to install GCC...its asking for a dvd, and Im trying to figure out how to make it use a mirror |
| 03:31.12 | abrotman | TheUnderTaker: when it's ready, there is no timeline |
| 03:31.14 | speedy | Iridos: yeah trying that |
| 03:32.30 | TheUnderTaker | when is it going to be ready? |
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| 03:32.47 | TheUnderTaker | !debian |
| 03:32.47 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | TheUnderTaker: i just said .. when it's ready |
| 03:33.30 | Iridos | TheUnderTaker, when there are no bugs left that prevent it from being ready |
| 03:33.41 | speedy | something to mention during the tests, nginx didnt start at S21, S22, S23, but did start at S24, hence S21nfs-common, S23-ntp |
| 03:33.43 | TheUnderTaker | !help |
| 03:33.51 | abrotman | TheUnderTaker: stop playing with the bot ... |
| 03:34.02 | Iridos | TheUnderTaker, /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 03:34.07 | TheUnderTaker | ok |
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| 03:34.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: also, when the current release-delaying GR on whether to delay the release is resolved |
| 03:35.10 | jelly-home | the previous sentence is not redundant |
| 03:35.12 | abrotman | it is "resolved" |
| 03:35.17 | abrotman | at least, the vote ended |
| 03:35.24 | Iridos | what did it amount to |
| 03:35.32 | abrotman | uhm .. #5! |
| 03:35.38 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 03:35.47 | Iridos | guess now I know it all... |
| 03:35.51 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003 |
| 03:36.04 | abrotman | thing is .. i'm not really sure what that means .. |
| 03:36.07 | jelly-home | Iridos: you're likely better off now knowing |
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| 03:36.12 | jelly-home | not* |
| 03:36.52 | abrotman | i guess it means they won't delay lenny |
| 03:36.58 | newsense | jelly-home, yeah thanks for the idea but i shoulda thought about it more before i tried it, how is adding an init script envoking mount -a going to help if the device node is still not created by udev yet ? |
| 03:37.06 | TheUnderTaker | whats debian built off of |
| 03:37.20 | Iridos | TheUnderTaker, sweat and tears |
| 03:37.26 | jelly-home | newsense: it hopefully will be created by that time |
| 03:37.31 | newsense | its not |
| 03:37.48 | newsense | mount -a is run but whats the use if the node doesnt exist |
| 03:37.55 | jelly-home | newsense: is the storage device plugged at that time? |
| 03:37.56 | TheUnderTaker | who owns debian? |
| 03:38.00 | newsense | yes |
| 03:38.04 | abrotman | TheUnderTaker: seriously? |
| 03:38.10 | TheUnderTaker | yeah |
| 03:38.13 | abrotman | you do |
| 03:38.15 | TheUnderTaker | the trademark i mean |
| 03:38.17 | jelly-home | newsense: and udev doesn't create the /dev/whatever? |
| 03:38.21 | newsense | udev creates the node after the error message that the device doesnt exist |
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| 03:38.30 | abrotman | i'd guess SPI |
| 03:38.34 | newsense | it does after fstab is read |
| 03:38.46 | newsense | mount /dev/device works after boot |
| 03:38.54 | newsense | so the fstab entry is correct |
| 03:39.12 | jelly-home | newsense: and if you do _another_ mount -a in rc.local, is it still too early? |
| 03:39.38 | Iridos | abrotman, do you think the people voting for it knew what it means? :) |
| 03:39.45 | newsense | havent tried in rc.local just rc2 |
| 03:39.52 | abrotman | Iridos: no idea .. darn confusing GR .. oh well |
| 03:39.58 | JyZyXEL | how do you suspend debian? |
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| 03:40.22 | newsense | jelly-home, wouldn make a difference if i put in in rcS would it |
| 03:40.24 | Guerin | JyZyXEL: using the `hibernate' command |
| 03:40.27 | jelly-home | newsense: hopefully at the end of rc2? |
| 03:40.40 | newsense | jelly-home, yes |
| 03:41.05 | speedy | Starting boot logger: bootlogdbootlogd: cannot find console device 136:0 in /dev |
| 03:41.14 | speedy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.35 | newsense | jelly-home, S00 in rc2.d |
| 03:41.40 | newsense | err S100 |
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| 03:41.58 | jelly-home | newsense: oh well, you could make an uglier hack by delaying it for 10 more seconds... nohup ( sleep 10; mount -a ) >/dev/null 2>&1 & instead of just mount -a |
| 03:42.00 | JyZyXEL | Some modules failed to unload: nvidia |
| 03:42.03 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 03:42.09 | jelly-home | newsense: uh, that's bad |
| 03:42.10 | JyZyXEL | what a surprise |
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| 03:42.24 | jelly-home | newsense: the links are started in alphabetical order |
| 03:42.25 | newsense | jelly-home, advise trying in the last stage of rc.S ? |
| 03:42.37 | jelly-home | newsense: make the link be S99stuff |
| 03:42.42 | newsense | jelly-home, numbered order ! |
| 03:42.51 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should like while(1) the hdparm -Y /dev/hda |
| 03:42.57 | newsense | numbered than alpha |
| 03:43.20 | newsense | let me try it brb reboot |
| 03:43.25 | jelly-home | newsense: nope, man run-parts |
| 03:43.42 | jelly-home | S100 indeed. |
| 03:44.07 | enouf | newsense .. gah |
| 03:44.23 | enouf | S100 wtf? |
| 03:44.41 | enouf | use rc.local ! agent99 was good enough!@ |
| 03:45.02 | jelly-home | the user is gone, enouf |
| 03:45.08 | enouf | i know! |
| 03:45.29 | enouf | rcS? wtf is wrong with you nonsense? .. er i mean newsense |
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| 03:45.54 | kingsley3 | Oops, net problem. I'm back. What's the difference between vnc and ltsp? ltsp has sound, and (x11)vnc uses an existing desktop? |
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| 03:47.51 | valdyn | kingsley3: vnc is only a remote display protocol |
| 03:47.57 | Iridos | speedy, it's not looking for /dev/console, though, but for a device with 136:0, obviously |
| 03:48.28 | valdyn | kingsley3: ltsp is a set of software that implements a terminal server ( and i dont know which display protocol it uses ) |
| 03:48.40 | kingsley3 | valdyn: Can you elaborate? |
| 03:49.17 | enouf | speedy: using a debian kernel and an initrd? that sounds sadly like a ubuntu error .. er .. that |
| 03:49.18 | valdyn | kingsley3: a terminal serving system needs more than just remote display |
| 03:49.30 | kingsley3 | doesn't see a practical difference. |
| 03:49.55 | valdyn | kingsley3: its like comparing smtp and email, its not the same |
| 03:49.56 | enouf | speedy: er .. that's a pts/pty error - /dev/console is major 5 minor 1, not 136 and 0 |
| 03:50.04 | valdyn | kingsley3: its not even comparable |
| 03:50.19 | Iridos | speedy, hm, there's also an extra package upstart-logd |
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| 03:51.59 | valdyn | kingsley3: an ltsp client boots via network and gets its software via network and gets data to display via network |
| 03:52.06 | valdyn | kingsley3: vnc is just a protocol |
| 03:52.16 | enouf | speedy: is your remote server located within a VM? that's the only thing i can think of as to why you don't seem to have tty0 access - though not sure |
| 03:52.37 | jelly-home | 136:0 is /dev/pts/0 |
| 03:52.50 | enouf | right - a pts/pty |
| 03:52.58 | jelly-home | tty0 is 4:0 |
| 03:53.01 | enouf | an xterm |
| 03:53.06 | Iridos | speedy, "mknod /dev/bootconsole c 136 12", I guess ( or 136 0 in your case - for me it complains about 136:12 being missing) |
| 03:53.06 | enouf | 5:1 |
| 03:53.15 | speedy | enouf: not a VM, native debian with kernel 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 03:53.56 | speedy | crw------- 1 speedy tty 136, 0 2009-01-02 06:53 /dev/pts/0 |
| 03:54.04 | Iridos | enouf, hm, you're right |
| 03:54.11 | speedy | maybe because it is in use? |
| 03:54.22 | Iridos | no... I think it tries to pick a free one? |
| 03:54.24 | jelly-home | speedy: that only exists after the virtual /dev/pts filesystem is mounted |
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| 03:54.31 | Iridos | that's just weird |
| 03:54.53 | Iridos | I think it should get /dev/tty0 (?) |
| 03:54.53 | IamSOG | :o |
| 03:55.01 | jelly-home | didn't spend more than 5 minutes trying to get bootlogd working |
| 03:55.11 | enouf | jelly-home: right .. but tty0 is also what's referred to as the currently viewed Console |
| 03:55.17 | enouf | exec run-init ${rootmnt} ${init} "$@" <${rootmnt}/dev/console >${rootmnt}/dev/console |
| 03:55.39 | enouf | seems like someone's given you /dev/xconsole or something |
| 03:55.55 | speedy | i'm rebooting to see what happens |
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| 03:56.30 | Iridos | I thought /dev/tty is "current tty" |
| 03:57.59 | enouf | 212 0 = /dev/tty0 Current virtual console |
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| 03:59.04 | jelly-home | when all else fails, it's time to read the manual |
| 03:59.26 | Iridos | the manpage actually sheds some (still dim) light on that |
| 03:59.45 | stoned | thts the most horrible advice ever |
| 03:59.45 | jelly-home | and it says, under BUGS, that for bootlogd to work, one seems to need an explicit console=... kernel argument |
| 03:59.46 | Iridos | I think it's really trying to pick a "free pty console device" |
| 03:59.48 | enouf | oh wonderful - ~$ sudo rgrep -l xconsole /etc/ |
| 03:59.55 | stoned | why not tell him to read the manpage first |
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| 04:00.00 | stoned | intead of trying shit |
| 04:00.13 | enouf | jelly-home: i've been using bootlogd since sarge with no issues |
| 04:00.26 | Iridos | stoned, more fun? |
| 04:00.39 | speedy | after rebooting, i tried to start bootlogd, and got cannot find console device 136:1, and i'm on pts/1 |
| 04:00.47 | stoned | time is money |
| 04:00.49 | enouf | jelly-home: i have seen ubuntu people have all sorts of issues - likely upstart related, not sure |
| 04:00.52 | Iridos | jelly-home, haha... I didn't read that you suggested the manual a line before :) |
| 04:01.09 | jelly-home | enouf: so you get stuff written in /var/log/boot? Mine's usually empty |
| 04:01.14 | enouf | jelly-home: yes |
| 04:01.39 | linux_stu | how can i determine my alsa library version? |
| 04:01.45 | enouf | cat /var/log/boot |
| 04:01.45 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1298046 |
| 04:01.56 | jelly-home | speedy: did you catch the console=tty0 suggestion? |
| 04:02.00 | enouf | unfortunately - it's not as non-sparse as one would like |
| 04:02.19 | speedy | jelly-home: not really, by you? |
| 04:02.26 | enouf | you do NOT see all the startup messages like you do on tty1 when booting |
| 04:03.08 | jelly-home | speedy: add that to your # kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, rerun update-grub, reboot |
| 04:03.37 | jelly-home | speedy: if you're booting a custom kernel, just add it to its command line args instead |
| 04:04.01 | jelly-home | speedy: that's what the man page says, anyway |
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| 04:04.22 | Laeborg | hello |
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| 04:04.59 | jelly-home | BUGS [...] bootlogd parses the kernel command line looking for console=... lines and deduces the real console device from that. |
| 04:05.28 | Iridos | funny thing is, I had read that about 20 minutes before, but it kind of didn't register |
| 04:05.36 | Laeborg | i have a script my server must run every night at 1 am, how do i do ? |
| 04:06.08 | enouf | heh .. i blew a fuse just prior to that reboot :-P |
| 04:06.11 | Laeborg | i now i should use a crontab script |
| 04:06.27 | enouf | jelly-home: although, i haven't done the bootlogd thing remotely, so |
| 04:06.43 | Laeborg | 0 1 1 * * /home/gameaddi/mysql-backup.sh -- i think |
| 04:07.16 | jelly-home | Laeborg: if every night, 0 1 * * * ... |
| 04:07.32 | enouf | jelly-home: i think it has to do with him not seeing console at all on bootup as well - but that kernel option might solve both issues, forgot about that - and i forget if that's needed for a login. or just messages |
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| 04:07.54 | Laeborg | 0 5 * * * for 5 am ? |
| 04:07.59 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 04:08.13 | Iridos | Laeborg, m h dom mon dow command |
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| 04:08.18 | Laeborg | okay |
| 04:08.45 | jelly-home | Laeborg: man 5 crontab |
| 04:08.50 | enouf | er serial console ... |
| 04:09.34 | jelly-home | I kinda hope speedy's server has a graphic card in it, even if not connected anywhere |
| 04:09.35 | Laeborg | i added this in my crontab: 0 1 * * * /home/gameaddi/mysql-backup.sh |
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| 04:10.16 | teratoma | when i start eclipse, i get this error, how do i fix that? 'This Eclipse build doesn't have support for the integrated browser.' |
| 04:10.16 | Laeborg | then i press ctrl + x, anything i need to do ? |
| 04:10.44 | jelly-home | Laeborg: that's supposed to work. does your script have executable permissions and everything? if it works when called from shell, it'll probably work from cron as well |
| 04:10.50 | enouf | speedy: for your pleasure ;-) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/serial-console.txt |
| 04:11.06 | jelly-home | Laeborg: did you press enter at the end of the line? |
| 04:11.08 | Iridos | Laeborg, make sure the script is executable, i guess... also mind to use full paths for anything not in /bin and... /usr/bin within that script |
| 04:11.24 | Laeborg | jelly-home: i have tested the script from shell, before i added it to crontab |
| 04:11.36 | Laeborg | jelly-home: no, should i do that? |
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| 04:11.54 | Iridos | Laeborg, doesn't help with a different PATH when started from crontab |
| 04:12.12 | jelly-home | Laeborg: some editors don't create a linefeed (line ending) character by default, that can confuse cron |
| 04:12.27 | jelly-home | Laeborg: what does "crontab -l |wc -l" say? |
| 04:12.32 | Laeborg | /home/gameaddi/mysql-backup.sh - is a full patch, Iridos |
| 04:12.39 | _Vi | How to make "as" entry in limits.conf (virtual memory size limit) per-user, not per-process? |
| 04:12.50 | Laeborg | jelly-home: i use nano, and i can see that one does |
| 04:12.52 | speedy | it worked, thanks guys |
| 04:13.06 | jelly-home | Laeborg: then it's all right |
| 04:13.14 | Laeborg | crontab -l |wc -l says '10' |
| 04:13.27 | jelly-home | 10 lines in it already? :-) |
| 04:13.41 | Laeborg | yup |
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| 04:14.02 | Laeborg | well thanks for the help. i learning something new every day ;) |
| 04:14.09 | n-iCe | Can anyone help me? when double clicking on a link I get this: |
| 04:14.09 | n-iCe | Could not open the address "http://www.debian.org": |
| 04:14.10 | n-iCe | There was an error launching the default action command associated with this location. |
| 04:15.03 | newsense | n-iCe, set your component chooser or file association in your wm/de |
| 04:15.14 | nsadmin | n-iCe: what was the error launching the default action command associated with this location? |
| 04:15.35 | n-iCe | :o |
| 04:15.42 | n-iCe | newsense: where?? |
| 04:15.42 | nsadmin | what was the default action command associated with this location? |
| 04:15.55 | n-iCe | nsadmin: I just did a double click on a link in an aim |
| 04:15.57 | newsense | what app were you running when it happened ? |
| 04:15.59 | Iridos | default action command |
| 04:16.38 | enouf | speedy: btw, if you read the URL, it says support must be compiled in - well it always has been in debian kernels, atleast in 2.6 versions - do grep CONSOLE /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 04:16.49 | n-iCe | newsense: irssi |
| 04:17.13 | n-iCe | newsense: I mean I see links here in irssi, and when I right click on them and choose Open link, there is when I get the message |
| 04:17.30 | newsense | look at your irssi config file or whatever and set the default www browser id think |
| 04:17.49 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 04:17.51 | n-iCe | same in skype? |
| 04:17.53 | n-iCe | same in emesene |
| 04:17.55 | n-iCe | same in all!?!? |
| 04:18.09 | speedy | enouf: which URL you're referring to? |
| 04:18.12 | enouf | newsense: S99, just like rc.local , not 100 |
| 04:18.26 | newsense | ? |
| 04:18.28 | n-iCe | I don't think is a irssi problem |
| 04:18.31 | speedy | enouf: nevermind got it |
| 04:18.33 | Iridos | n-iCe, I guess you'll see why |
| 04:18.36 | enouf | the only one showing in my whole scrollback that ... ok |
| 04:18.36 | n-iCe | newsense: I can't open any link posted |
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| 04:19.03 | enouf | newsense: and certainly not rcS.d |
| 04:19.17 | newsense | i got it working after all had the !# backwards in my script lol |
| 04:19.19 | owen1 | how do i chmod of a file to -rwxr-sr-x ? |
| 04:19.24 | n-iCe | because if I open a terminal, and write, http://www.debian.org/ then, right click on and select open link i get the same error. |
| 04:19.25 | Iridos | n-iCe, when you try to set it in irssi... look up what it's set to... |
| 04:19.44 | newsense | got it in S20 under /etc/rc2.d |
| 04:19.48 | \amethyst | owen1: 2755 |
| 04:19.55 | owen1 | \amethyst: thanks |
| 04:19.55 | newsense | S20localmount |
| 04:20.18 | enouf | newsense: just remember SH'BANG .. so haSH == # and BANG == ! |
| 04:20.39 | newsense | enouf, that sound ok script running in /etc/rc2.d/S20localmount ? |
| 04:20.54 | newsense | enouf, yeah my mistake i had the right idea |
| 04:21.05 | \amethyst | owen1: or u=rwx,g=rxs,o=rx |
| 04:21.24 | Iridos | of course, syntax highlighting in vi also shows you immediately that you erred with !# |
| 04:21.35 | enouf | newsense: no, make it S99 ;-) .. what do i care - it's your system - it really depends if it's 'required' to come up earlier for other things |
| 04:21.36 | owen1 | \amethyst: nice. what does the s means? |
| 04:22.03 | enouf | Iridos: ++ |
| 04:22.06 | n-iCe | no idea then? |
| 04:22.12 | newsense | enouf, its not required but sysv-rc-conf chose that by default i could have made the symlink myself |
| 04:22.12 | \amethyst | owen1: setgid |
| 04:22.27 | \amethyst | owen1: is this a directory or an executable? it means different things |
| 04:22.46 | owen1 | \amethyst: it's a file |
| 04:22.48 | enouf | newsense: so does update-rc.d .. it's kind of a bug - read the man pages - but rc.local is S99 for a reason |
| 04:22.49 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 04:22.49 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 04:22.51 | Iridos | n-iCe, I told you what to check... do you want more people making guesses? |
| 04:22.52 | \amethyst | !setgid |
| 04:22.53 | dpkg | [setgid] chmod g+s, a bit which means a program is executed with the group ID of its group-owner. On a directory it means files created therein inherit the dir's group ownership. |
| 04:23.06 | owen1 | \amethyst: i am trying to use do pair |
| 04:23.10 | n-iCe | Iridos: I told you, irssi isn't the problem. |
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| 04:23.21 | newsense | enouf, i just put the script in /etc/init.d and chose it from sysv-rc-conf under runlevel2 and it choose number 20, ill change it to 99 since it really doesnt need to be ran in that priority |
| 04:23.25 | stoned | does anyone play tome? I run tome -g and it opens up like 7 xterms and only uses 1 |
| 04:23.28 | n-iCe | how do I look what you asked? |
| 04:23.28 | stoned | wtf is going on |
| 04:23.33 | Iridos | n-iCe, well, if you know it all, why do you ask? - also note that I didn't say irssi was the problem |
| 04:23.37 | owen1 | \amethyst: i try pair-programming with vim, where 1 user is connected remotely. |
| 04:23.54 | owen1 | \amethyst: i found this - http://blog.floehopper.org/articles/2008/03/13/remote-pair-programming |
| 04:23.59 | n-iCe | Iridos: ok guide me |
| 04:24.04 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: is there a way to also ensure that directories created in a setgid dir have setgid on them? |
| 04:24.09 | n-iCe | I just don't get it. |
| 04:24.38 | Iridos | n-iCe, well, check what it's set to and tell.. my guess is that it's set to something like sensible-browser or so and that that's not a valid symlink |
| 04:24.54 | n-iCe | and how can I check |
| 04:24.55 | Iridos | n-iCe, but there is really no POINT in me speculating wildly if you can just look it up |
| 04:25.04 | n-iCe | how |
| 04:25.08 | n-iCe | where? |
| 04:25.12 | Iridos | dunno, never used irssi :) |
| 04:26.09 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: which terminal are you using when running irssi? |
| 04:26.13 | Iridos | anyways - even if I'm wrong with this sensible-browser or www-browser thing, this is the next thing to look up and find out what's happening |
| 04:26.42 | Iridos | SerajewelKS, doh, that's actually a good idea... if the terminal catches it... |
| 04:26.45 | newsense | enouf, thanks for the info on the update-rc.d/sysv-rc-conf bugs im going to put my local scripts at 99 priority |
| 04:26.51 | SerajewelKS | Iridos: irssi doesn't open links at all :) |
| 04:26.52 | n-iCe | SerajewelKS: uhm the default debian lenny one |
| 04:27.02 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: help>about (if it's there) |
| 04:27.03 | Iridos | SerajewelKS, well, I said I never used it :) |
| 04:27.18 | n-iCe | SerajewelKS: it occured after I rerinstalled firefox, to change the installation language |
| 04:27.24 | n-iCe | Terminal 2.22.3 |
| 04:27.46 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: ok, system > preferences > preferred applications |
| 04:27.55 | enouf | newsense: no worries |
| 04:27.57 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: make sure the web broswer set there is correct |
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| 04:28.13 | n-iCe | sorry |
| 04:28.18 | n-iCe | Terminal 2.22.3 |
| 04:28.47 | Iridos | SerajewelKS, wouldn't have occured to me, my xterms don't fuck around with the content of the windows :) |
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| 04:29.13 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: hmm? |
| 04:29.52 | n-iCe | SerajewelKS: yes? |
| 04:30.16 | n-iCe | I got disconnected, sorry |
| 04:30.34 | Iridos | err... you didn't? |
| 04:30.54 | n-iCe | I did, got any solution :) ? |
| 04:30.55 | Iridos | not visibly so, at least |
| 04:31.22 | Iridos | oh, up there |
| 04:31.35 | Iridos | <SerajewelKS> n-iCe: ok, system > preferences > preferred applications |
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| 04:32.42 | n-iCe | I solved it! |
| 04:32.44 | n-iCe | yeeah |
| 04:32.45 | n-iCe | hehehe |
| 04:32.46 | n-iCe | thanks!! |
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| 04:33.23 | Iridos | what was it, then |
| 04:33.30 | enouf | Iridos: lines 56-57 and 99-101 (the url above i gave to speedy) |
| 04:34.04 | enouf | Iridos: unrelated to n-iCe issue |
| 04:34.12 | n-iCe | in system > preferences > preferred applications |
| 04:34.30 | n-iCe | I set custom, and added: /home/torroella/firefox/./firefox %s |
| 04:34.32 | n-iCe | thanks guys |
| 04:35.46 | Iridos | enouf, hell, I was looking at http://pastebin.ca/raw/1298046 at 1st |
| 04:36.04 | enouf | Iridos: heh - got it now? |
| 04:36.15 | Iridos | yeah :) |
| 04:36.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:36.44 | Iridos | but I will completely leave it up to your phantasy which names I had for you when looking at the other file |
| 04:37.00 | speedy | a diff between two bootlogs with set -x for nginx at http://dpaste.com/104443/ hope it makes sense |
| 04:37.57 | Iridos | there it is... 2009/01/02 07:15:28 [emerg] 4226#0: host not found in upstream "mydomain.com" in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/mysite-ssl:30 |
| 04:38.26 | speedy | Iridos: i see that, but it doesnt happen on S24 |
| 04:38.41 | Iridos | yeah, weird, aintit |
| 04:38.42 | user_corrupt | (noob) i have to make a folder read/writable by the user/group that apache2 runs as...I just installed debian and Apache2 is running on startup....how do I determine what user/group it is running as? |
| 04:38.53 | speedy | Iridos: and starting nginx manually just works |
| 04:39.14 | Iridos | speedy, have a look at /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/mysite-ssl anyways... |
| 04:39.31 | enouf | Iridos: you missed my comment about that - [23:04:10] <enouf> heh .. i blew a fuse just prior to that reboot :-P |
| 04:39.57 | Iridos | enouf, no... but I think I missed the context :) |
| 04:41.24 | enouf | user_corrupt: top/htop will show you - even pstree |
| 04:41.29 | SerajewelKS | n-iCe: np |
| 04:41.34 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 04:41.40 | Iridos | speedy, looks like you just didn't configure it properly... but beats me why that should stop being a problem at some time in the bootup process |
| 04:41.41 | speedy | is this something to be bug reported to debian or nginx? |
| 04:41.55 | enouf | user_corrupt: even ps, i guess .. yeah |
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| 04:42.10 | Iridos | user_corrupt, also ps aux |grep http (and it's probably www-data) |
| 04:42.26 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 04:42.29 | Iridos | hell, it's called apache, not http |
| 04:42.35 | enouf | sure, /var/www/ ,, and www-data is the group |
| 04:42.42 | Iridos | user_corrupt, ps aux |grep apache in this case |
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| 04:43.03 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 04:43.19 | Iridos | speedy, well, configure it properly and see if it boots at its normal runlevel |
| 04:43.36 | Iridos | speedy, if it does, I'd say its ALL YOUR FAULT... so not the case for a bug report |
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| 04:44.16 | Iridos | well - possibly still.. it damn well shouldn't start without problems lateron |
| 04:44.50 | speedy | Iridos: will do that |
| 04:45.27 | Iridos | enouf, the text in that link reads as if I shouldn't make this "real console" on my system.. might run into problems with X |
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| 04:46.58 | Iridos | oh, only see now what's it all about |
| 04:47.23 | enouf | speedy: wild guess, but since we're dealing with a webserver, does perhaps Shorewall need a bit more time before it's fully up? Starting "Shorewall firewall": done. |
| 04:48.43 | speedy | in nginx configuration proxy_pass http://mydomain.com/ changed to http://ip_address/ and it worked at S23 |
| 04:48.52 | enouf | speedy: i would report a bug against nginx - if it's something else, it'll get forwarded to where it needs to go |
| 04:50.28 | enouf | so DNS resolution? NameServer settings? |
| 04:50.33 | Iridos | oh... line 30 is proxy_pass? |
| 04:50.37 | Iridos | wtf? |
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| 04:51.00 | speedy | enouf: dns works fine |
| 04:51.32 | Iridos | not for a host that doesn't exist |
| 04:51.50 | speedy | Iridos: the host name i'm using does exist |
| 04:51.51 | enouf | Fri Jan 2 07:15:27 2009: Starting haproxy: haproxy |
| 04:52.11 | speedy | haproxy runs on http, nginx https |
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| 04:54.08 | Iridos | mysite-ssl is not part of the package |
| 04:54.31 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.37 | Iridos | that's how it should be... |
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| 04:54.55 | Iridos | without the comment if it's supposed to be active, of course |
| 04:55.01 | speedy | i think i found out why |
| 04:55.40 | Iridos | and what's it supposed to do is... pass stuff to another webserver running... e.g. for php support, which it doesn't have |
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| 04:56.26 | speedy | Iridos: in my setup, i have nginx to do the ssl offloading for haproxy |
| 04:56.53 | speedy | so haproxy should be started first |
| 04:57.39 | speedy | thats why it runs on higher than S23 |
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| 04:58.39 | Iridos | and haproxy is S20? |
| 04:58.53 | speedy | Iridos: yes |
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| 05:00.09 | speedy | didnt know that nginx may fail to start completely if the proxy_pass uri does not exist |
| 05:00.25 | Iridos | !nickometer [-] |
| 05:00.26 | dpkg | '[-]' is 76.000% lame, iridos |
| 05:01.58 | Iridos | so guess it's not a bug in either of the packages, as that's not necessarily how they have to be used together |
| 05:02.01 | speedy | this is getting me crazy |
| 05:02.14 | speedy | i stopped haproxy, and i can still start nginx |
| 05:02.20 | Iridos | heh |
| 05:02.58 | Iridos | !beer spee |
| 05:02.58 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for spee |
| 05:03.00 | Iridos | eh |
| 05:03.03 | Iridos | !beer speedy |
| 05:03.03 | dpkg | pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for speedy |
| 05:04.46 | Iridos | ,the man who can type faster than his shadow... |
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| 05:05.55 | speedy | thanks for the help and beer |
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| 05:06.45 | Iridos | beer always helps... you might not see clearer, but at some point you'll see double |
| 05:07.06 | Iridos | and of course, in case everything is fuzzy... at least you know why |
| 05:07.36 | speedy | although i would prefer to have a smirnoff since i'm using a russian web server |
| 05:12.04 | nsadmin | is there a way to take whatever sound server kde uses and have it feed jack and have jack feed the alsa out? |
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| 05:12.46 | Iridos | can't you configure KDE to juse jack? |
| 05:13.19 | nsadmin | I suppose... but how would I go about that (just for a certain user btw)? |
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| 05:14.14 | linux_stu | in vlc, when i try to use "Open Capture Device" for my webcam, it gives me the error "Unable to open 'v4l://'". What do i have to do to fix this? |
| 05:14.22 | linux_stu | i'm assuming i don't have v4l, but i don't really know what it is or how to get it |
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| 05:15.23 | Iridos | nsadmin, http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64696 |
| 05:15.43 | Iridos | nsadmin, artsd and jackd can coexist nowadays due to dmix... |
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| 05:16.35 | Iridos | ... which is probably all you really wanted :) |
| 05:17.08 | fantomas | hi all. Few hours ago I asked a question but was disconnected and saw no reply. How to switch between X dispays (:0.0 and :0.1) which are 2 my monitors using keyboard? I'm on Gnome. |
| 05:17.48 | fantomas | alsa again, alsa is everywhere... this kills me ) |
| 05:18.10 | fantomas | Iridos: I remember you first replied me |
| 05:18.54 | fantomas | but I could be wrong.. |
| 05:24.22 | Iridos | no... |
| 05:24.22 | Iridos | is it 4 hours? |
| 05:24.22 | Iridos | I wasted another 4 hours of my life... |
| 05:24.22 | Iridos | nice netsplit |
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| 05:24.22 | Iridos | 400/800 ... nicely split in the middle |
| 05:24.22 | fantomas | damn, chances to get help reduced by 50% |
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| 05:25.58 | Iridos | ha |
| 05:25.58 | Iridos | it continues |
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| 05:25.59 | fantomas | getting worse |
| 05:26.35 | Iridos | bit more and we're alone |
| 05:26.36 | fantomas | yeah |
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| 05:26.43 | Iridos | not really worse... more like delayed action |
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| 05:28.04 | Iridos | they were still all from brown.freenode.net |
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| 05:32.54 | fantomas | had just finished watching 28 days later |
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| 05:32.56 | Iridos | fantomas, http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/2289.html |
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| 05:35.08 | Iridos | my... again? |
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| 05:35.08 | Iridos | that could actually get interesting if it lasts long enough for the channel limit to go down to 400 or so |
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| 05:35.09 | fantomas | Iridos: thanks, nice link, was bookmarked. Haven't find how to switch between screens though |
| 05:35.09 | fantomas | found |
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| 05:36.15 | Iridos | fantomas, I thought they're just different virtual desktops? |
| 05:36.15 | fantomas | Iridos: they have different IDs - :0.0 and :0.1 |
| 05:36.16 | Iridos | dunno then |
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| 05:36.16 | Iridos | dunno how you'd ever switch |
| 05:36.16 | Iridos | http://en.opensuse.org/Configuring_graphics_cards/Dual_Head_Mode |
| 05:36.16 | Iridos | argh, sax2 crap, though |
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| 05:36.18 | Iridos | isn't that funny... after a while the little osd of amarok goes to the background |
| 05:36.18 | Iridos | behind all windows |
| 05:36.18 | Iridos | how useful |
| 05:36.36 | Gonko | since last upgrade, i am getting "The platform you are using is not supporting this tool" when I try to use "Network Administrator". what's wrong? |
| 05:36.59 | Guerin | Gonko: i'd say The platform you are using is not supporting Network Administrator |
| 05:37.05 | Guerin | just at a guess |
| 05:37.05 | fantomas | Currently when I move mouse pointer it passes from left screen to the right one capturing keyboard so that typing something goes to proper display (where the mouse pointer is). Would like to pressing some combination for this... |
| 05:37.09 | neoice | anyone have thoughts on how to get a scheduled notification-daemon call? cron has dbus issues |
| 05:37.32 | user_corrupt | VI editor is pissing me off, can someone suggest a good alternative way to edit .conf files from terminal? |
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| 05:37.34 | Iridos | Guerin, impressive guess... |
| 05:37.55 | mhymn | user_corrupt: nano |
| 05:37.56 | Gonko | Guerin: I am using Testing. After I choose it from a list, things work fine. |
| 05:37.56 | neoice | user_corrupt: nano. but learning vim will be worth your time imo. |
| 05:38.02 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 05:38.17 | Iridos | ed :-P |
| 05:39.03 | mhymn | !start an editor war |
| 05:39.03 | dpkg | pico doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 05:39.13 | neoice | HA |
| 05:39.16 | Iridos | and it aint |
| 05:39.31 | neoice | iridos: pico is symlinked to nano |
| 05:39.37 | Guerin | everyone should at least learn enough vi to know how to quit it |
| 05:39.41 | Iridos | neoice, I know |
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| 05:39.46 | neoice | I always type 'nana' |
| 05:39.48 | fantomas | Guerin: +1 ) |
| 05:39.49 | Guerin | can be a devil ofd a task if you don't |
| 05:39.50 | JPT | hehe |
| 05:39.58 | JPT | :q |
| 05:39.59 | neoice | 'pico' is easier on the fingers |
| 05:40.28 | Iridos | neoice, doesn't change the fact that pico ain't in Debian |
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| 05:43.24 | Iridos | neoice, pine license doesn't allow distributing binaries compiled from modified source |
| 05:43.38 | Iridos | s/pine/pico/ |
| 05:43.48 | Guerin | and pine is just as evil |
| 05:44.05 | Iridos | that or the best mail client around |
| 05:44.22 | Iridos | "!start a mail client war" |
| 05:44.24 | Guerin | if only its authors would give it a sane license |
| 05:44.40 | Guerin | still, i haven't been arsed trying alpine yet |
| 05:44.41 | Iridos | they probably can't |
| 05:44.52 | Iridos | I wanted to try it last week |
| 05:45.01 | Guerin | !start a mua war |
| 05:45.01 | dpkg | sylpheed blows |
| 05:45.06 | Guerin | sure does |
| 05:45.17 | neoice | !start a license war |
| 05:45.17 | dpkg | GPL r0xx0rs! |
| 05:45.26 | Guerin | dpkg, botsnack |
| 05:45.26 | dpkg | aw, gee, Guerin |
| 05:45.30 | Iridos | ... and found out the damn mail server I'm running it on still has sarge |
| 05:45.39 | Guerin | crikey |
| 05:46.12 | Iridos | and while I still have root access to it I'm not responsible for it anymore... so I damn well won't go and update it and possibly mess that up |
| 05:46.14 | neoice | the pine license doesnt seem that absurd, its just NOT the GPL |
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| 05:46.38 | Guerin | the only feature i wish mutt had is the ability to refer back to another message during composition |
| 05:47.02 | Guerin | neoice: it doesn't grant debian the right to distribute it unless they use original source |
| 05:47.27 | Iridos | refer back? does pine do that? |
| 05:47.45 | Guerin | Iridos: i don't know |
| 05:47.49 | Iridos | you mean ctrl-o |
| 05:47.53 | Iridos | ? |
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| 05:48.29 | owen1 | it should be 2755 (u+s) |
| 05:48.55 | Guerin | no. I mean the ability to close the editor temporarily and open another message; or to open more than one message at once, or ... basically, to not be bound to one view at a time |
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| 05:49.12 | Guerin | sure, there's the postpone feature, but it's less than ideal |
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| 05:49.37 | Iridos | oh yeah, I wish pine would allow you to do copy paste from old messages in a sane way as well |
| 05:50.02 | Iridos | of course you can open a 2nd pine, but then that steals some lock from the 1st one and the 1st one is read only |
| 05:50.18 | Guerin | and having to open a new instance for that purpose is just stupid |
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| 05:50.47 | Guerin | i wonder if mutt-ng fixed that |
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| 05:51.30 | Iridos | that wouldn't bother me so much, I guess... if you had some pine-ro |
| 05:51.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:51.58 | Iridos | dunno exactly |
| 05:51.59 | Guerin | Saturday, October 28. 2006 |
| 05:51.59 | Guerin | mutt-ng isn't dead! |
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| 05:54.13 | neoice | so does anyone know how to make cron talk to dbus so I can use notification-daemon (specifically 'notify-send') as a scheduled event? |
| 05:56.26 | Guerin | apparently not |
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| 06:01.50 | Iridos | Î¹Ï Ïοθλδ.... οοÏÏ |
| 06:02.21 | Iridos | it (pine/mutt/whatever) could possibly open a 2nd xterm to let you browse |
| 06:02.36 | Iridos | but then it doesn't really know it's running in an xterm :) |
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| 06:12.10 | JordiGH | It psothld oopo.. |
| 06:12.21 | JordiGH | oops |
| 06:12.32 | JordiGH | Hard to tell sigma and omicron apart in this font... |
| 06:13.12 | ryanCH | what is KDM for?, why can't you just use "startkde" ?? |
| 06:13.50 | Guerin | ryanCH: you can. but it's for people who freeze up when they see a blinking cursor, and call the repair shop |
| 06:13.51 | JordiGH | ryanCH: I believe KDM also controls things such as shutting down the box from a KDE menu. |
| 06:14.47 | ryanCH | well, i placed "init 3" at the top of the kdm file witch gives me a text console at boot |
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| 06:15.53 | Iridos | JordiGH, "it could... oops" :) |
| 06:16.18 | JordiGH | Iridos: No wonder it's gibberish. |
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| 06:16.26 | Iridos | recently changed the left windows key to switch to greek so I could write ÎG and stuff more easily |
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| 06:17.11 | newsense | ryanCH, you do realize you can change all kdm symlinks to K8 from S* in /etc/rc[2-5].d if you dont want kdm to start |
| 06:17.33 | newsense | s/k*/K8 |
| 06:17.38 | Iridos | init 3? |
| 06:17.45 | JordiGH | !init |
| 06:17.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, init is the init daemon, or ask me about <runlevels>, or <inittab> |
| 06:17.59 | Iridos | "at the top of the kde file"? |
| 06:18.09 | newsense | no |
| 06:18.11 | ryanCH | in KDM |
| 06:18.14 | JordiGH | The script that starts kdm, presumably. |
| 06:18.15 | Iridos | er |
| 06:18.23 | Iridos | yeah but that doesn't make sense |
| 06:18.24 | newsense | in /etc/rc[2-5].d |
| 06:18.28 | ryanCH | /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 06:18.28 | Iridos | how about apt-get remove kdm? |
| 06:18.30 | kaeles | is there a way to make apt auto trust the repos? |
| 06:18.43 | JordiGH | kaeles: Get the right keyring. |
| 06:18.48 | kaeles | i'm trying to do the ltsp-build-client and its failing cause it can't authenticate |
| 06:18.49 | newsense | change symlinks to K**kdm instead of S**kdm |
| 06:18.58 | kaeles | apt-get update should do that correct? |
| 06:19.01 | newsense | S meaning to start and K not start |
| 06:19.05 | Iridos | !etch key |
| 06:19.05 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 06:19.13 | JordiGH | kaeles: If you've installed the right keyring, yes... |
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| 06:19.46 | kaeles | oh |
| 06:19.48 | kaeles | ok thanks |
| 06:20.12 | newsense | ryanCH, better practice to change the symlinks than the init.d script itself |
| 06:20.21 | kaeles | ok, well its throwing a gpg error on the apt-get update for some reason |
| 06:20.22 | Iridos | newsense, if he doesn't want it, he should remove it |
| 06:20.43 | newsense | yeah and take all of kde with it |
| 06:20.49 | Iridos | don't think so |
| 06:21.09 | Iridos | well, it might with the stupid meta packages |
| 06:21.16 | newsense | it will |
| 06:21.23 | newsense | kdebase depends kdm |
| 06:21.31 | Iridos | okok |
| 06:21.44 | Iridos | well, bloody good idea to remove kde in my opinion anyways :-P |
| 06:22.11 | Iridos | but I see your point |
| 06:22.14 | JordiGH | GNU Screen is my GUI. |
| 06:22.22 | JordiGH | And God is my copilot. |
| 06:22.47 | Iridos | you're weird |
| 06:23.08 | newsense | !ot |
| 06:23.08 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 06:23.08 | JordiGH | ditches these newfangled "mice" inventions. |
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| 06:23.18 | Guerin | JordiGH: you mean GNU screen is your HUD |
| 06:23.34 | JordiGH | Guerin: If Emacs is an IDE, Screen is a GUI. |
| 06:23.48 | Guerin | JordiGH: what's G about it? |
| 06:24.01 | JordiGH | Guerin: I use my eyes to interact with it. |
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| 06:24.44 | Guerin | JordiGH: reductio ad absurdum, coming to an irc channel near you! |
| 06:26.03 | Iridos | if at least he'd said he's running fortune-off in it.... |
| 06:26.21 | kaeles | ok, my system time was set to like 1940, which was causing the issue |
| 06:27.14 | Guerin | wow, looks like a spammer finally decided to make their mta greylist-compatible |
| 06:27.55 | Iridos | an outrage! |
| 06:28.00 | Guerin | i know |
| 06:28.08 | Guerin | better get to work on that improved mousetrap |
| 06:28.17 | JordiGH | Hey, yeah, did you guys see how some people's machines crashed due to the leap second? |
| 06:28.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:28.38 | Iridos | that multisyn festival speaker sounds as if she's drunk |
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| 06:31.27 | Iridos | wonders if nobody got the joke 3 comments earlier or if nobody found it funny or... both |
| 06:32.59 | Iridos | finally decides on "both" |
| 06:34.13 | newsense | keep it on topic or join #debian-chat |
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| 06:37.50 | Iridos | got up with the wrong leg today? |
| 06:38.20 | Iridos | hmpf... germanism :( |
| 06:38.26 | newsense | nope just following rules, this is a support channel |
| 06:38.48 | newsense | yeah im german but that isnt relavent here |
| 06:39.00 | Iridos | I meant me |
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| 06:39.18 | Iridos | you don't get up with the wrong leg in English, I fear |
| 06:39.34 | Guerin | Iridos: we get up on the wrong side of the bed |
| 06:39.48 | Iridos | interesting |
| 06:39.59 | Iridos | didn't know that, thx |
| 06:40.07 | Guerin | idiom is fun |
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| 06:40.52 | Iridos | yeah... "bodies in the basement" |
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| 06:53.58 | Iridos | they are a hell to look up, though |
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| 06:54.52 | dn4 | I remember seeing a linux kernel option for installing radio stuff back in 2.6 |
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| 06:58.19 | Iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.49 | Iridos | or /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/media/radio |
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| 07:00.22 | Iridos | Guerin, indeed, you do ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_PzFZgsHU |
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| 07:11.48 | CheeToS | anyone know of a tetrinet server package that, um, works? I tried tetrinet-server and tetrinetx :( |
| 07:11.54 | CheeToS | running etch |
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| 07:13.33 | DavidProck1981 | what is the difference from "etch" and "etch-and-a-half" ??? |
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| 07:13.40 | user_corrupt | im installing a program called TWiki that requires that I point to its twiki.conf file from httpd.conf (which is empty) but when i do that, then apache wont restart...any ideas? |
| 07:13.41 | Supaplex | !etchandhalf |
| 07:13.51 | Supaplex | dpkg: etchnhalf |
| 07:13.51 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 07:15.20 | Iridos | user_corrupt, start the apache server yourself and it'll tell you |
| 07:15.29 | DavidProck1981 | if i have java and flash installed, well i still cant watch videos on youtube, will i need the win32codecs |
| 07:15.43 | Supaplex | user_corrupt: read /var/log/apache*/error.log perhaps? |
| 07:15.52 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 07:16.09 | user_corrupt | im a noob, do i just nano into that? |
| 07:16.37 | Supaplex | use less, more, $PAGER |
| 07:16.45 | Supaplex | view, cat, tail |
| 07:16.59 | Supaplex | tail or less should do :) |
| 07:17.06 | Iridos | not more |
| 07:17.19 | Supaplex | unless that's all he has |
| 07:17.24 | Supaplex | less isn't in base |
| 07:18.00 | Iridos | huh, and view is vim |
| 07:18.18 | Supaplex | right. alias of vi -r or vim -r |
| 07:18.38 | Supaplex | just like zcat is for gzip -dc |
| 07:18.41 | Iridos | you surely mean -R |
| 07:18.50 | Supaplex | oh probably. |
| 07:18.52 | Iridos | -r List swap files, with information about |
| 07:18.56 | Iridos | [...] |
| 07:18.57 | binrapt | Hi, I have a problem with Python 2.5 and MySQLdb. My distro came with Python 2.4 and I did apt-get install python-mysqldb and it worked fine in 2.4. Now I did apt-get install python2.5 and I even removed python-mysqldb and reinstalled it - without success. I googled it and it says it's the right package for Python 2.5. Still ending up with ImportError: No module named MySQLdb in 2.5. |
| 07:19.03 | binrapt | Any idea how to fix this? |
| 07:19.18 | Supaplex | your distro? what is it? |
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| 07:19.28 | binrapt | Oh http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/Bug-409814-python-mysqldb-python2-support-ftopict70623.html |
| 07:19.32 | kingsley | Which application, if any, allows one to pick which PC to open an X11 session on, much like the spawn of xdm and ssh? |
| 07:19.57 | binrapt | Supaplex: What command should I use to give you satisfactory information? |
| 07:20.09 | binrapt | I'm not exactly experienced with Linux |
| 07:20.21 | Supaplex | apt-cache policy bash | grep http |
| 07:21.02 | Iridos | you're funny... that returns nothing on lenny |
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| 07:21.16 | Iridos | well |
| 07:21.35 | Supaplex | or dpkg -l bash | grep bash |
| 07:21.38 | Iridos | that returns nothing if you got everything configured for ftp, more precisely |
| 07:21.40 | binrapt | bash: Installed: 3.1dfsg-8 Candidate: 3.1dfsg-8 Version table: *** 3.1dfsg-8 0 500 ftp://[OSNAP] etch/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 07:21.56 | Supaplex | looks like etch. |
| 07:22.03 | Iridos | what's wrong with cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:22.17 | binrapt | 4.0 |
| 07:22.23 | Iridos | etch :) |
| 07:23.06 | binrapt | Well I suppose I might have to use another MySQL library for Python then |
| 07:23.11 | Supaplex | proving it's purely debian isn't an exact science. many child distoros, including some releases of knoppix don't modify debian_version |
| 07:23.14 | binrapt | It works with 2.5 on Windows |
| 07:23.21 | binrapt | But not my Debian hm |
| 07:24.16 | mhymn | Supaplex: what about 'cat /proc/version' ? |
| 07:24.19 | DavidProck1981 | its been a few years since ive used linux, now im going back to debian. and i dont remember much, any one got some good reading material for common problems / questions walk through's |
| 07:24.23 | Supaplex | aptitude show python-mysqldb says it works with python (< 2.5), python (>= 2.3) |
| 07:24.34 | binrapt | Supaplex curious, I see |
| 07:24.52 | Supaplex | mhymn: yeah, if it's not a custom kernel. |
| 07:25.18 | Iridos | DavidProck1981, /msg dpkg grounding |
| 07:25.31 | binrapt | aptitude show python-sqlalchemy |
| 07:25.34 | binrapt | That looks better |
| 07:25.46 | binrapt | People were telling me touse SQLAlchemy anyways |
| 07:26.28 | Iridos | night |
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| 07:31.02 | Supaplex | ubuntu-org: How is Surgut this time of year? |
| 07:31.18 | jorgegomes | Hi I really need your help. I'm trying to instal the mysql jdbc connector under Debian, but it doesn't seem to work.... |
| 07:31.42 | ubuntu-org | here is winter |
| 07:32.15 | jorgegomes | I've tried to install with aptitude, it got installed but i can't get the connection! |
| 07:32.30 | Supaplex | !tell jorgegomes -about paste |
| 07:32.33 | Supaplex | jorgegomes: show us |
| 07:32.46 | ju____ | Anybody had a debian server hacked recently ? |
| 07:33.17 | Supaplex | not in the last decade |
| 07:33.35 | ju____ | ok, mine was last friday |
| 07:33.44 | Supaplex | time for a reinstall eh? |
| 07:33.59 | ju____ | A guy gain root access without having any user account. |
| 07:34.20 | Supaplex | how'd they gain access? |
| 07:34.25 | ju____ | I didn't reinstall because nothing is critical on that server, I just cleaned. |
| 07:34.35 | kunwon1 | ju____, what services did you have facing the internet? what open ports? |
| 07:34.36 | jorgegomes | supaplex: I've done a apt-get libmysql-java |
| 07:34.43 | ju____ | That's the point, I have no fucking idea. |
| 07:35.16 | Supaplex | do you know it was hacked recently, or did you only discover recently the intrusion? |
| 07:35.23 | ju____ | I had apache2 apache2-ssl mysql squid dovecot postfix |
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| 07:35.46 | kunwon1 | ju____, any custom php/cgi stuff? |
| 07:36.11 | jorgegomes | And everything worked fine for me. But when I start a SolR/Lucene server it tells Unable to load com.mysql.jdbc.Driver or org.apache.solr.handler.dataimport.com.mysql.jdbc.Driver... |
| 07:36.15 | kunwon1 | or any web apps that weren't being upgraded? |
| 07:36.27 | ju____ | opened ports were 22 25 80 110 111 113 143 993 995 443 1723 3128 |
| 07:37.04 | ju____ | It was hacked the 27th of december between 1am and 6am |
| 07:37.07 | Supaplex | poor passwords? wide open root privlidges on mysql? lousy cgi/webapp? |
| 07:37.10 | sep | ju____, are you certain he had no local access ? eg he could have sniffed one of your uses password when they used pop/imap/smtpauth ? |
| 07:37.30 | ju____ | The guy has erased the logs for that framed schedule |
| 07:37.52 | ju____ | the users for mail services are all virtual. |
| 07:37.58 | Supaplex | ju____: since then, or now, what's aptitude upgrade suggest? do you have security updates? |
| 07:38.18 | ju____ | everything was updated, I'm sure I'm doing it everyday. |
| 07:38.21 | kunwon1 | ju____, port 3128 is often used for a proxy server |
| 07:38.32 | sep | ju____, he is bound to have installed a backdoor for later use... |
| 07:38.38 | kunwon1 | ju____, that might be what attracted attention to your box |
| 07:38.45 | Supaplex | or alternate account |
| 07:38.48 | ju____ | yes squid is running on it but can be used only via ssh tunelling. |
| 07:39.25 | ju____ | rkhunter hunter was speaking about the dreams rootkit. |
| 07:39.37 | ju____ | But not litterature about that on the net. |
| 07:40.43 | ju____ | What is scary is that that server was updated - no exploit is circulating these days but the guy did. |
| 07:40.56 | kunwon1 | ju____, on the other hand, port 1723 appears to be used for something called pptp.. if you look at this url, you'll see that around the dates you mentioned, this port started being heavily targeted by presumably malicious folks.. you might look into recent vulnerability reports for whatever is running on that service http://isc.sans.org/port.html?port=1723 |
| 07:40.57 | Supaplex | CERT (and all sane people) reccomnd a bare metal reinstall. possibly pulling the existing drives for offline comparison with known clean backups. Without remote syslogs or some other audit trail, it's leaning to a crapshot. |
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| 07:41.25 | ju____ | Thanks kunwon1 I'll check that. |
| 07:41.46 | kunwon1 | and pptp looks like it's connected to vpn stuff, which might give an attacker a good deal of access to your system |
| 07:42.40 | ju____ | it's me who is running a vpn on that server. |
| 07:43.13 | kunwon1 | just suggesting possibilities ju____, you've got a lot of open ports, there are a lot of possible attack vectors |
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| 07:44.14 | ju____ | What is also strange is that the server couldn't be accessed from the 27th around 7am. A portscan was showinf sometthing totally different than usually : 6 ports were opened with successive numbers going from 445 to 450 |
| 07:44.31 | ju____ | I'm not sure to remember those figures exactly |
| 07:45.03 | ju____ | I first was thinking that the hosting company made a mistake at plugging my ip on a windows server. |
| 07:45.46 | ju____ | When they restarted the server manually then the server boot up and I could proceed the check and discover the stuff. |
| 07:46.32 | ju____ | More than ever the feeling of security is an illusion. |
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| 08:16.52 | bullgard4 | How can I find a word in a text using the most command? Pressing the F key obtains a prompt in the bottom line: "RegexpSearch: ". If I'd like to find the word 'terminal' and I type 'terminal <CR>', 'most' takes on its initial state as if it has found nothing. |
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| 08:19.26 | wodala | debian is dead. it should be renamed 'diebian'. ubuntu is consistently no. 1 in DistroWatch. |
| 08:19.48 | amitz | Is it possible to make a CD that pass booting process to an external harddrive, such that I can eject the CD. This is a workaround for motherboard that doesn't support botting from external HD. |
| 08:19.51 | amitz | ? |
| 08:20.35 | Gr33n3gg | ahem |
| 08:20.39 | Gr33n3gg | slaps wodala |
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| 08:20.56 | wodala | aouch! |
| 08:21.01 | Gr33n3gg | don't be a troll. |
| 08:21.19 | wodala | Gr33n3gg: don't be blindly loyal. |
| 08:21.53 | wodala | Gr33n3gg: what is wrong to say out loud that a ship is sinking if it really is? |
| 08:22.28 | grul | you have to conform to the group you're talking to when you're on the internets. else you are a troll |
| 08:22.46 | Gr33n3gg | slaps wodala again. |
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| 08:22.59 | wodala | grul: ever heard of free speech? |
| 08:23.15 | wodala | grul: like free software? |
| 08:23.18 | Gr33n3gg | who hasn't, but dont be a troll. |
| 08:23.43 | Gr33n3gg | go preach in #ubuntu |
| 08:23.46 | wodala | Gr33n3gg: the worse thing one can do about a troll is to repsonse to it. |
| 08:23.58 | wodala | response |
| 08:24.02 | grul | oh, i figured you would've understood the tone of absurdity in my previous statement |
| 08:24.14 | ryanCH | does linux process software interrupts or no? |
| 08:24.36 | kunwon1 | dpkg: ops offtopic troll |
| 08:24.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kunwon1 complains about: offtopic troll |
| 08:25.03 | wodala | grul: tone expressed in words? that is absolute absurdity. |
| 08:25.39 | mhymn | !tell Gr33n3gg -about trollfood |
| 08:25.41 | wodala | kunwon1: stop trolling,. |
| 08:26.10 | wodala | fuck you all. |
| 08:26.28 | hoxu | tip: include the offending nick in !ops |
| 08:26.36 | Gr33n3gg | Iceweasel...meaning he was running Debian? |
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| 08:26.45 | kunwon1 | cba |
| 08:26.49 | ju____ | If Ubuntu is number, it's glory to Debian, as it is based on it. From this tree are coming good fruits. That's showing how debian project has achieved one of its goals. |
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| 08:28.05 | hoxu | !gldt |
| 08:28.05 | dpkg | gldt is, like, GNU/Linux Distro Timeline at http://futurist.se/gldt/ - also includes a lot of Debian-based distros |
| 08:28.12 | hoxu | ^ check out the debian-based distros :P |
| 08:28.19 | ju____ | In place of speaking about that wodala is a little provocative and especially non constructive, that makes the troll. |
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| 08:44.05 | amitz | Can I use http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#head-6c6e541d5cd3792fd364d4c609bf595d9f4127c4 to boot from CD and pass control to NORMAL debian installation on external harddisk? Note that the instruction on the link is for LIVE (CD) debian installation. |
| 08:45.25 | cahoot | amitz: maybe you should look at debootstrap |
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| 08:49.01 | amitz | cahoot: I had sucessfuly installed debian lenny to external USB harddrive using debootstrap. It successfully boot on computer whose BIOS support USB harddrive boot. But now I want to boot from computer without BIOS support for USB harddrive boot. To do that, I want to first boot using a CD that somehow pass the control to the already created installation in external USB harddrive. |
| 08:49.53 | cahoot | amitz: ok |
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| 08:50.30 | Eulex | amitz, try smart boot manager |
| 08:50.42 | amitz | The linked instruction is for booting from a CD that somehow pass control to a "live cd" debian installation, not normal debian installation. |
| 08:50.54 | amitz | hmm let me google it. |
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| 08:54.13 | bullgard4 | How can I find a word in a text using the most command? Pressing the F key obtains a prompt in the bottom line: "RegexpSearch: ". If I'd like to find the word 'terminal' and I type 'terminal <CR>', 'most' takes on its initial state as if it has found nothing. |
| 08:55.28 | kingsley | bullgard4: /terminal |
| 08:55.41 | kingsley | bullgard4: Does that make sense? |
| 08:57.30 | bullgard4 | kingsley: It works. Great! -- Thank you very much. |
| 08:57.37 | kingsley | bullgard4: Does that make sense |
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| 08:57.48 | bullgard4 | kingsley: It does. |
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| 08:57.55 | kingsley | bullgard4: Just put me in the will. That's all i ask. |
| 08:58.20 | kingsley | What's a good clustering application to share CPU? |
| 08:58.47 | bullgard4 | kingsley: What do you mean by: " Just put me in the will. "? |
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| 09:00.33 | kingsley | bullgard4: It's a wry joke about pretending to be generous. |
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| 09:05.22 | amitz | Eulex: dang, smart boot manager doesn't seem to support booting to USB. sigh. |
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| 09:05.37 | Eulex | amitz, meh |
| 09:05.44 | amitz | Eulex: thx anyway |
| 09:06.23 | Eulex | amitz, np. I've used it to boot live cds on school computers that had the bios boot settings set so they only could be booted from floppies :) |
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| 09:08.06 | amitz | Eulex: naughty yo :-) |
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| 09:15.22 | amitz | can't stay. This is my progress so far: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB . I hope this will help others. |
| 09:15.42 | amitz | Despite the link name, it has some important information. |
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| 09:26.48 | bony | how to upload a directory using ftp command? to a remote server who's details are as follows <user> ip |
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| 09:27.31 | mhymn | !rtfm |
| 09:27.31 | dpkg | methinks rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 09:33.38 | Gruelius | whats a package that i can pastebin cmds with? like cat blah | pastebin |
| 09:33.45 | Eulex | !pastebin pipe |
| 09:33.45 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 09:34.14 | Gruelius | cheers |
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| 09:35.57 | mhymn | judd: versions pastebinit |
| 09:35.58 | judd | mhymn: pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-1 sid: 0.10-1 sid: 0.10-2 experimental: 0.11-1 |
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| 09:39.17 | Bladerunner05 | hello, I need to pull email from my mailserver on the net, deliver that email locally to my linux server and pickup it from a client. Please suggest me a good how-to |
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| 09:40.37 | SlayerXP | Bladerunner05: google fetchmail |
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| 09:41.22 | ^shark_ | Bladerunner05: use pine its a good mail client |
| 09:42.22 | SlayerXP | ^shark_: i didn't realise pine was an MTA |
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| 09:43.11 | ^shark_ | i didnt think u needed an MTA |
| 09:43.43 | SlayerXP | ^shark_: "I need to pull email from my mailserver on the net, deliver that email locally to my linux server and pickup it from a client" |
| 09:43.54 | SlayerXP | how did you think that could be managed without an MTA being involved? |
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| 09:46.16 | blj | what was that utility in shell, that would pass output from one command to the other as argument? |
| 09:47.12 | SlayerXP | blj: xargs |
| 09:47.22 | blj | SlayerXP: thanks |
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| 09:48.35 | bullgard4 | kingsley: If you had said 'last will' I would have recognized that as a known phrase. -- Thank you anyway for your help. |
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| 09:58.30 | Muzer | How do I mark packages never to upgrade in aptitude/apt-get? |
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| 09:58.57 | Muzer | (even if I type sudo aptitude upgrade/sudo apt-get upgrade) |
| 09:59.32 | SQlvpapir | pin the shit out of them |
| 09:59.34 | SQlvpapir | man aptitude |
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| 10:00.32 | mhymn | Muzer: /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:00.59 | Muzer | ah, thanks |
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| 10:04.20 | hachi_ | hi, I've got a debian box here that's stuck trying to access a disk that is dead |
| 10:04.33 | hachi_ | `/sbin/reboot -f` isn't bypassing the init scripts |
| 10:04.43 | hachi_ | and I really need to reboot it... anyone got an idea? |
| 10:05.28 | sep | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/457 |
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| 10:07.59 | hachi_ | serial console |
| 10:08.01 | hachi_ | forgot to say that |
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| 10:10.39 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 10:12.53 | sep | hachi, cat to proc should still work, or read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/security-sysrq.html for details |
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| 10:14.36 | superlinux | well.. i bought a usb 2.0 expansion card on PCI bus. this i it. i still havent recieved it yet. just want to make sure i can use it on Linux. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120353034059 |
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| 10:15.15 | CAiRO_ | how do i refer to a certain package version with apt-get install when i can see them with apt-cache policy? |
| 10:15.19 | TwistOfFate | hey, where's bitchx in lenny? |
| 10:15.26 | hardfail_ | superlinux: looks like a via USB controller, so likely yes. |
| 10:15.34 | superlinux | ok |
| 10:16.28 | superlinux | hardfail_, thanks |
| 10:16.41 | hardfail_ | but why the hell would you buy a PCI usb card when anything made in the last decade includes up to 10 USB ports? |
| 10:17.24 | sep | CAiRO_, use package_name=pkg_version_number |
| 10:17.42 | avu | TwistOfFate, it's been removed. |
| 10:18.10 | avu | !bitchx |
| 10:18.10 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
| 10:18.26 | hardfail | http://austline.com/Austline_eStoreWeb_Picture/1ComputersITOffice/ControllerCards/USB_1394PCI/5usb31394Combo/Red/USB394ComboPCI_8PorBlackBoard.jpg |
| 10:18.31 | hardfail | oh thats a sweet highrezpic |
| 10:18.35 | CAiRO_ | sep: aha, thanks a lot |
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| 10:22.14 | Ryan52_ | hi...uhh, I'm a little scared right now, cause my power went out and fsck gave big red errors saying "RUN FSCK MANUALLY"...so I did and it says "inodes that were part of a corrupt orphan linked list found. Fix?". do I say yes? |
| 10:22.19 | Ryan52_ | :) |
| 10:23.08 | Ryan52_ | doesn't trust google with this one :) |
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| 10:23.41 | liable | pretty much damned if you do, damned if you dont.. |
| 10:23.54 | Ryan52_ | really? |
| 10:23.56 | joltcan | Ryan52_: Yes, say fix. But you might want to use -y to fsck |
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| 10:24.10 | joltcan | because you will see a whole bunch of them |
| 10:24.16 | superlinux | i noticed something new to me. what is simfs? what is this file system? |
| 10:24.18 | liable | yup |
| 10:24.30 | Ryan52_ | ok. *gulp* |
| 10:24.41 | Ryan52_ | will start making backups more often after this incident... |
| 10:24.52 | hardfail | simcity file system. |
| 10:25.08 | Ryan52_ | hrm. it stopped...it's just kinda sitting there... |
| 10:25.11 | Selveste1 | Hey :) |
| 10:25.12 | joltcan | Ryan52_: The inode thing is pretty minor thing, but backups are good, yes |
| 10:25.13 | Ryan52_ | is that normal? |
| 10:25.26 | joltcan | Ryan52_: It takes a long time if it's a big fs |
| 10:25.34 | Ryan52_ | 700 gigs...hrm. :) |
| 10:25.39 | superlinux | hardfail, kidding me!? :) |
| 10:25.44 | Ryan52_ | and it's 3 am too :( |
| 10:25.47 | hardfail | superlinux: no, i have no idea |
| 10:26.25 | superlinux | this is i found it when i "df -h " the deicated server i have |
| 10:27.18 | superlinux | *dedicated |
| 10:27.29 | Ryan52_ | joltcan, how long will it take do you think? |
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| 10:28.07 | hardfail | lol |
| 10:28.18 | hardfail | superlinux: youre "dedicated serveR" is probably full of romanians with root right now. |
| 10:28.27 | pingouin | ah ah |
| 10:28.49 | superlinux | hardfail, i dont care |
| 10:28.59 | superlinux | it's for fun , not for real |
| 10:29.12 | hardfail | yes, but them packeting me from your silly box is for real |
| 10:29.44 | superlinux | how come? i dont get you? |
| 10:29.50 | hardfail | well |
| 10:30.00 | hardfail | if you get your shit compromised, its probably part of some spam/packeting botnet |
| 10:30.04 | hardfail | whether you care about it or not. |
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| 10:30.57 | superlinux | hardfail, but i dont think that i meant intentionally to harm any one. seriously. |
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| 10:31.44 | SlayerXP | superlinux: either you're part of the solution, or you're part of the precipitate. |
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| 10:33.33 | superlinux | SlayerXP, i hope that my box is not harming any one. because really ! really! i dont think i am running something harmful. |
| 10:35.39 | superlinux | maybe i should check my files whether there are virii trying to run . |
| 10:37.53 | joltcan | Ryan52: Depends on the size of the filesystem and how fast disk you have |
| 10:38.22 | SlayerXP | superlinux: "viruses" |
| 10:38.31 | Ryan52 | joltcan, 750 gigs, lvm on top of raid 1, fastish sata drives :) |
| 10:38.49 | superlinux | SlayerXP, yes ! viruses |
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| 10:39.26 | superlinux | i use the same plural form of radius, radii |
| 10:39.50 | SlayerXP | superlinux: if you're using the word "virus" in the context of english, then the correct way to pluralise is to add "es" |
| 10:40.05 | SlayerXP | superlinux: are you speaking in latin? |
| 10:40.09 | superlinux | ok , thanks |
| 10:40.14 | superlinux | no |
| 10:40.55 | superlinux | i just use rules. cos i am an arab. our language is very much full of rules |
| 10:41.18 | joltcan | Ryan52: then you should be done by now |
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| 10:42.34 | Ryan52 | joltcan: it's on "pass 5", so it's probably almost done.. |
| 10:42.53 | Ryan52 | my friend said hours, and I didn't think he was right :) |
| 10:42.53 | joltcan | Ryan52: I would think so |
| 10:43.21 | joltcan | Na, not hours. The fsck is pretty fast, compared to resizing your 750GB LVM at least |
| 10:43.37 | Ryan52 | ok :) |
| 10:44.04 | superlinux | SlayerXP, have u seen "Madagascar 2"? |
| 10:44.21 | SlayerXP | no |
| 10:44.27 | Ryan52 | joltcan, thanks btw |
| 10:44.39 | joltcan | Ryan52: Np |
| 10:45.40 | superlinux | in it they say: "how much will it take to fix the crached plane" to Skipper the penguin, he replies "Sixty Nine months" |
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| 10:46.27 | Ryan52 | so now it's done... |
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| 10:46.46 | superlinux | they say the animals " what! sixty nine months!" , skipper " no! six-to-nine months!" |
| 10:47.01 | Ryan52 | reboots and waits for good news :) |
| 10:47.09 | superlinux | funny?! ha!? |
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| 10:48.08 | Lukemob | hi, does any1 know how to restrict an access on user account? eg. to run only 2 process'es etc |
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| 10:48.48 | Ryan52 | joltcan: *phew*. everything looks normal...thanks for keeping me calm :) |
| 10:50.12 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: I just googled that for you. the first hit that came back was correct. |
| 10:50.20 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: is google illegal where you come from? |
| 10:50.33 | Lukemob | ahha |
| 10:50.46 | Lukemob | the prob is i dunno what should i google for |
| 10:50.48 | Lukemob | ^^ |
| 10:51.16 | Lukemob | i tried restrict access in linux.. but that was about ftp to only home dirs etc |
| 10:51.16 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: what OS are you using? |
| 10:51.21 | Lukemob | Debian |
| 10:51.34 | SlayerXP | so "debian" might be a start then |
| 10:51.42 | SlayerXP | what do you want to do with your "debian"? |
| 10:51.43 | valdyn | !limits |
| 10:51.46 | valdyn | !limit |
| 10:51.46 | dpkg | [limit] iptables -t nat -N LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN -j LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -m limit --limit 2/sec --limit-burst 8 -j RETURN; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -j DROP |
| 10:51.50 | valdyn | gah |
| 10:52.02 | valdyn | !ulimits |
| 10:52.11 | valdyn | !ulimit |
| 10:52.24 | Lukemob | SlayerXP, as I said, just to restrict user's access to run only 1 process, or 1 IRC connection etc |
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| 10:52.51 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: so what happens if you type "debian restict user to one process" into google? |
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| 10:53.45 | valdyn | Lukemob: look at /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 10:53.48 | Lukemob | SlayerXP, really nothing I'm lookin for |
| 10:54.02 | Lukemob | valdyn, ok thanks! |
| 10:54.07 | SlayerXP | so let's think of some ways of chagning the search |
| 10:54.12 | hoxu | Lukemob, I guess you could set the shell to wrapper that only starts an irc client, but the irc client itself will most likely allow escalation back into the environment |
| 10:54.20 | valdyn | Lukemob: i found this via google btw |
| 10:54.38 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: rather than "debian" why not try "linux"? what works for debian will probbaly apply to many other distros, and vice versa. |
| 10:54.39 | hoxu | Lukemob, your best choice is most likely a chroot |
| 10:54.46 | valdyn | !fgi Lukemob debian+limits |
| 10:54.46 | dpkg | Lukemob: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+limits |
| 10:54.50 | valdyn | Lukemob: like that ^^ |
| 10:55.11 | hoxu | !flw |
| 10:55.11 | dpkg | well, flw34 is <Essobi> How's clustering in pgres these days? <dpkg> Essobi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=postgres+clustering <Essobi> FUCK JOOOO <Essobi> I was asking for opinion of peers whom I would consider being knowledgable, not some tards on google. |
| 10:55.44 | hoxu | how very relevant :P |
| 10:55.55 | SlayerXP | we're less than 48 hours into a new year, and I'm already explaining how to use a search engine to someone |
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| 10:56.06 | Lukemob | lol SlayerXP |
| 10:56.16 | Lukemob | ur funny |
| 10:56.28 | SlayerXP | ur? |
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| 10:56.39 | SlayerXP | !ur |
| 10:56.39 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 10:56.52 | Lukemob | SlayerXP, im not a newbie lol.. I wouldn't ask here if I'd not search in google first lol |
| 10:57.03 | SlayerXP | !lol |
| 10:57.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:57.06 | Lukemob | ur meant as "you are" |
| 10:57.07 | valdyn | Lukemob: dont tell us, we can tell |
| 10:57.10 | valdyn | !noob |
| 10:57.10 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 10:57.24 | valdyn | ;) |
| 10:57.47 | valdyn | !arrogance |
| 10:57.47 | dpkg | somebody said arrogance was <Arrogance> "The head of Microsoft's security response team argued here Thursday that closed source software is more secure than open source projects, in part because nobody's reviewing open source code for security flaws." |
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| 10:57.51 | Lukemob | lol |
| 10:58.03 | hoxu | I'd say !qotd244 but enough factoid spam, let's try to keep it on topic now |
| 10:58.17 | Lukemob | hmmm |
| 10:58.22 | Lukemob | what about to say |
| 10:58.25 | Lukemob | fuck you |
| 10:58.27 | Lukemob | ?? |
| 10:58.39 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: have you washed? |
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| 10:58.45 | SlayerXP | bets not. |
| 10:58.50 | valdyn | !fuck you |
| 10:58.50 | dpkg | no, fuck you |
| 10:59.28 | Lukemob | SlayerXP, why you make yourself look like a noob?? or, like a child |
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| 11:00.10 | valdyn | Lukemob: hes just telling you about netiquette concerning this and most unix derivate channels |
| 11:00.10 | hoxu | Lukemob, drop it. If your question wasn't answered yet, tell us what you are looking for, more specifically |
| 11:00.15 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: i'm older, bigger and nastier than you. you would be wise to simply stop talking unless what you say is utterly on topic. |
| 11:00.23 | hoxu | please just drop it |
| 11:01.01 | Lukemob | SlayerXP, you're bigger.. noob, maybe? |
| 11:01.12 | SlayerXP | gosh, stap me vitals, such cunning wit. |
| 11:01.28 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: I run an email security company. what do you do? |
| 11:01.46 | hoxu | SlayerXP, you should've been here long enough not to feed trolls, please don't |
| 11:02.19 | Lukemob | SlayerXP, wow you have company :D |
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| 11:02.54 | Lukemob | you forgot to say also you earn 10 million USD yearly |
| 11:03.16 | SlayerXP | Lukemob: http://antibodymx.net/ |
| 11:03.26 | hoxu | Lukemob, I think you've had your last warning, ask a debian question or the ops will /spank you |
| 11:03.27 | Lukemob | im not interested, thanks |
| 11:03.40 | Lukemob | hoxu, im done here, thanks |
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| 11:19.04 | micols | anyone running fullscreen wm in X, or fullscreen hacked xterm? |
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| 11:23.36 | amppdthusiast | I used apt-get install msttcorefonts but that doesn't add the times new roman and arial in my fonts lis |
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| 11:23.47 | amppdthusiast | list* |
| 11:24.13 | amppdthusiast | does it vary from my sources.list? |
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| 11:24.30 | assasukasse | hi everyone, if i want to start a program on a remote server, using ssh, how can i do? (the program is a gui and it should be shown on the remote desktop) |
| 11:24.39 | assasukasse | i use it to warn that i am using vnc |
| 11:24.48 | SQlvpapir | haha sweet! needed a feature from acpi-cpufreq and PAW! gnome cpu frequency applet works like a charm:D made my day |
| 11:24.49 | themill | amppdthusiast: what's the output of: dpkg -l msttcorefonts | tail -1 |
| 11:25.11 | SQlvpapir | because I modprobed it, that is |
| 11:26.21 | amppdthusiast | themill: ii msttcorefonts 2.6 trans |
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| 11:26.41 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 11:26.52 | amppdthusiast | themill: ii msttcorefonts 2.6 transitional dummy package |
| 11:26.59 | mynullvoid | I had setup pptpd on my shorewall server |
| 11:27.09 | mynullvoid | and at the moment I only set rule to allow pptpd tcp port to the FW (shorewall) |
| 11:27.21 | mynullvoid | I am able to get authenticated to the pptpd, but can't access anything |
| 11:27.30 | themill | amppdthusiast: that's not debian 4 then. What's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:27.38 | mynullvoid | in the tunnels file I had added: pptpserver net 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 11:27.47 | mynullvoid | in the interfaces I had added: loc ppp+ |
| 11:27.52 | mynullvoid | what else I need to do |
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| 11:29.30 | amppdthusiast | themill: i just installed this debian 4, and changed GNOME to KDE |
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| 11:30.36 | themill | amppdthusiast: I can promise you that that is the wrong result for msttcorefonts on debian 4. Now what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:31.31 | amppdthusiast | themill: i'll restart the machine |
| 11:31.37 | themill | amppdthusiast: no need.... |
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| 11:34.06 | CristianCT46 | hi all! |
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| 11:37.57 | CristianCT46 | first of all sorry for my english, i'm italian :) i've got a problem with installation of lenny: i've got a widescreen monitor (16:10 1680x1050), when debian starts desktop enviroment it set automatically a resolution not supported by my monitor, so the monitor get black with the error message "out of range". What can i do? |
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| 11:39.29 | Odeen | CristianCT46, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add to it your monitor configuration |
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| 11:40.50 | amppdthusiast | themill: when i cat /etc/issue it outputs: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 11:40.52 | CristianCT46 | Odeen, what i have to write and where, precisely? |
| 11:41.51 | CristianCT46 | in Section monitor i have only 1 parameter: "configured monitor" |
| 11:42.56 | Odeen | CristianCT46, you can especify the your monitor's frequencies and modes |
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| 11:43.37 | Odeen | "man 5 xorg.conf" can help you ;-) |
| 11:43.48 | Odeen | or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:44.10 | CristianCT46 | i've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg... but nothing... |
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| 11:45.18 | callahad | Are there any recommended solutions for monitoring and restarting daemons that play nice with Debian infrastructure? |
| 11:46.57 | Odeen | CristianCT46, please read the manual page of xorg.conf file and reconfigure it, it's only a few lines in each section ;-) |
| 11:47.42 | themill | amppdthusiast: What's the output of: "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" and what do you have in your sources.list? |
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| 11:49.08 | amppdthusiast | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ii libc6 2.7-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:49.08 | amppdthusiast | themill: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 ii libc6 2.7-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:49.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 ii libc6 2.7-16 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:49.48 | themill | amppdthusiast: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy" in a pastebin? |
| 11:49.50 | themill | !pastebin |
| 11:49.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:49.50 | amppdthusiast | themill: deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ unstable main |
| 11:49.51 | amppdthusiast | deb-src http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ unstable main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:50.07 | amppdthusiast | ok, sorry |
| 11:50.14 | themill | amppdthusiast: right.... unstable != debian 4. |
| 11:50.30 | themill | amppdthusiast: it would seem that you now have a rather interesting mix of stable, testing and unstable. |
| 11:50.53 | amppdthusiast | i just copied it in one of the forums |
| 11:52.20 | amppdthusiast | themill: http://pastebin.com/m6144d60d |
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| 11:54.15 | themill | amppdthusiast: copying things that you don't understand isn't a good plan. So now you need to decide... do you really want "stable", "testing" or "unstable"? What is this machine for? A desktop machine running "testing" is quite sensible but for a server, I would still go for "stable". |
| 11:56.02 | liable | !seen wols |
| 11:56.03 | dpkg | liable: i haven't seen 'wols' |
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| 12:04.04 | amppdthusiast | themill: just changed my sources.list |
| 12:04.15 | themill | amppdthusiast: what to? |
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| 12:05.16 | amppdthusiast | themill: pastebin won't let me paste |
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| 12:05.43 | themill | amppdthusiast: use rafb.net/paste |
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| 12:07.19 | amppdthusiast | themill: http://rafb.net/p/zLYXiV20.html |
| 12:09.48 | themill | amppdthusiast: that's a good start for you, but you can't go backwards from testing to stable like that. If you really want "stable" you need to reinstall. If you are happy to stick with "testing" then change both "stable" and "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 12:11.47 | amppdthusiast | themill: hmmm, I haven't realized the difference between those, until tonight |
| 12:12.09 | amppdthusiast | themill: you think I have to reinstall again? |
| 12:12.30 | amppdthusiast | =( |
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| 12:13.04 | themill | amppdthusiast: is this going to be a desktop system? |
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| 12:14.03 | amppdthusiast | themill: no, web server |
| 12:15.07 | themill | amppdthusiast: ahh... in that case, yes, you probably want to reinstall etch on it. Lenny is almost ready for release, but I'm not sure if anyone would really recommend it for a server just yet. |
| 12:15.21 | amppdthusiast | themill: I will be developing also in this machine that's why im working on proper fonts |
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| 12:16.13 | themill | amppdthusiast: lenny has full security support now so it is a viable option for your dev server |
| 12:17.15 | amppdthusiast | themill: well, if it so. I'll reinstall it. the problem is that it takes to long to download and install the KDE. just replaced the GNOME to KDE |
| 12:17.41 | amppdthusiast | themill: Thanks so much! |
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| 12:21.11 | enouf | themill: full security support? since when? (it just doesn't make sense to me) |
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| 12:22.24 | enouf | themill: i mean, did we cross a threshold where no RC bugs are left? and if not, wouldn't security-related bugs fall under the RC criteria? |
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| 12:23.53 | themill | enouf: the security team announced full security support for lenny a while ago. That means there are embargoed uploads and security-related bugs are preferentially handled via lenny/updates rather than waiting for unstable migration. |
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| 12:26.09 | enouf | themill: a) hrm, i've been bad and not following d-d-a ? and b) wouldn't 'unstable migration' possibly allow/cause more unknown bugs to appear eventually? |
| 12:26.20 | enouf | er d-s-a ? |
| 12:26.43 | themill | enouf: it was on d-d-a http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/12/msg00006.html |
| 12:27.45 | themill | enouf: unstable migration was allowed on a case-by-case basis by the release team and only for fixing RC bugs. Basically, lenny has gone from the patchy security support that testing gets to the full security support that stable gets. |
| 12:28.19 | themill | amppdthusiast: installing KDE and installing GNOME should take the same time -- their package sets are the same size. |
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| 12:30.44 | amppdthusiast | themill: http://rafb.net/p/71u03V13.html |
| 12:31.33 | themill | amppdthusiast: that means you have lenny/testing/sid/unstable in your sources.list... is this in your fresh reinstall? |
| 12:32.23 | amppdthusiast | no, i haven't installed a new one. I'm trying first to get the proper fonts I needed |
| 12:32.29 | craigevil | you also need contrib |
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| 12:35.08 | craigevil | why do you "need" msttcorefonts? liberation and libertine are just as nice if not better |
| 12:35.28 | enouf | themill: thanks for the info, i've never offered someone whose had trouble installing any etch release (due to too new hardware usually), and also running a production server to try lenny, because mostly (my perceived) lack of security support - Yes; if i did now, i would also still mention that ther are still bugs, and to test it on a non-production (or offline) unit, i guess |
| 12:36.51 | amppdthusiast | craigevil: I need the fonts like arial and times new roman in iceweasel font list so that it would look much closer on other browsers |
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| 12:39.48 | themill | craigevil: if apt-get is offering ttf-mscorefonts-installer instead of msttcorefonts, then it's not an etch installation and it is supposed to be... there are deeper problems that need solving. |
| 12:40.20 | enouf | i've heard there are bugs with the -mscorefonts-installer pkg |
| 12:40.39 | enouf | like not resolving to the URLs/mirrors it tries to fetch from? |
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| 12:40.50 | themill | enouf: yeah, there are still bugs. But lenny is probably in better shape than etch at this stage. |
| 12:41.11 | enouf | themill: aye .. as efforts are concentrated forward ;-) |
| 12:41.27 | enouf | +looking |
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| 12:42.07 | themill | amppdthusiast: if you're going to reinstall etch, then don't waste your time with installing the fonts on that current installation. But it sounds like you're going to use this as a desktop machine really (otherwise you wouldn't be installing fonts on it at all). So perhaps lenny is fine for you. |
| 12:42.19 | amppdthusiast | will it be good if I just added a "contrib" on sources.list ? |
| 12:42.22 | amppdthusiast | like this http://rafb.net/p/gctphM98. |
| 12:43.07 | amppdthusiast | http://rafb.net/p/gctphM98.htm |
| 12:43.34 | themill | amppdthusiast: no. that won't work. Your sources.list contains "stable" but your machine has a mixture of stable and testing installed on it. |
| 12:44.20 | themill | amppdthusiast: It is not clear to me what you are going to do with this machine. Perhaps it's not clear to you either which is fine... but it doesn't help us give you any guidance as to what you should do next. |
| 12:45.07 | themill | enouf: there are more RC bugs in etch now than in lenny (and that has been the case for some months). It's not a fair comparison, of course, because people have been looking for bugs in etch for longer. |
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| 12:46.03 | stoned_enkidu | themill - bugs are not so critical on desktop |
| 12:46.33 | stoned_enkidu | but i know ppl, that have etch on desktop and even games on it ;-) |
| 12:46.58 | amppdthusiast | themill: I'm going to develop a system which is dependent only on this machine. that's is why I'm working on those fonts. |
| 12:47.01 | themill | stoned_enkidu: my desktop at work is running etch, my laptop was running etch up until a month ago. |
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| 12:47.45 | stoned_enkidu | but i think, that pc used mainly as desktop, should use lenny |
| 12:48.04 | themill | amppdthusiast: but what is this system? you said that the machine was going to be a web server -- that means it shouldn't (really) be used as a desktop machine too. |
| 12:48.07 | stoned_enkidu | even, if it has small server |
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| 12:48.33 | stoned_enkidu | i got desktop and ftp server onboard |
| 12:49.35 | amppdthusiast | yes, for web conferencing. with apache-php etc.. and it will be used only when using this machine |
| 12:49.44 | themill | stoned_enkidu: perhaps. up until lenny hit a fairly deep freeze, I didn't consider it stable enough for me to use as a desktop. I want to spend my time using my machine not chasing the latest updates and working out what does or doesn't work due to them or having to reboot/logout/login due to updates all the time. |
| 12:50.22 | themill | amppdthusiast: if the machine is only a web server, it most probably doesn't need any fonts on it. |
| 12:53.26 | click | afternoon - i'm kind of stuck thoughtwise on a kernelcompile here... how does debian build the 2.6.x-xen-vserver kernel images, and it's respective module-package? what i want to do is to slightly modify the xen-vserver kernelimage to not use CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID (got a matrox-card that blocks boot) |
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| 12:53.58 | stoned_enkidu | chasing for upgrades is not so bad ;-) |
| 12:54.01 | enouf | click: look at the config |
| 12:54.13 | amppdthusiast | themill: I think I should have to reinstall. thanks |
| 12:54.32 | click | enouf: did, what i'm looking into is how it's built through make-kpkg |
| 12:54.33 | enouf | click: try svn.debian.org/wsvn/ kernel ? one sec |
| 12:55.19 | enouf | click: well, you can alter it using debian/rules, iinm, or modifying the .mk files .. /msg dpkg debian/rules .. hrm.. one sec |
| 12:56.03 | enouf | click: wait, just grab the debain source for the kernel, then run make oldconfig/menuconfig on it and edit the config, save it and run make-kpkg |
| 12:56.03 | click | enouf: yeah, compiling the base kernel is easy, but i got a bit stumped when i needed to do the xen/vserver additions :) |
| 12:56.25 | click | enouf: will that build the prerequirements as well? |
| 12:56.34 | click | ooooh |
| 12:56.56 | enouf | click: are you sure the /Documentation/fb/* about matrox cards doesn't offer a kernel boot param that would help disable that? or ... |
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| 12:57.32 | enouf | click: also /Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt - /msg dpkg k-p |
| 12:57.47 | click | enouf: it's a known issue with some of the matrox-cards and CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID, but i'll check :) |
| 12:57.50 | enouf | click: build-essential, libncurses5-dev, and ... |
| 12:58.00 | click | yeah, got all the base packages |
| 12:58.10 | themill | stoned_enkidu: it is if you actually want to do work. |
| 12:58.13 | enouf | click: can you tell me which exact card? (curious) |
| 12:58.27 | click | enouf: yes, two sec |
| 12:58.34 | enouf | you also want the fakeroot pkg |
| 12:58.46 | enouf | and naturally, kernel-package |
| 12:58.54 | click | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Matrox Graphics, Inc. Millennium G400 Dual Head Max |
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| 12:59.12 | enouf | ahh .. decent card - but needs some TLC ;-) |
| 12:59.17 | stoned_enkidu | themill - oc when you have not so much time, you are not upgrading anything. |
| 12:59.18 | click | yeah, i've got all the prereq's, i'm used to make-kpkg |
| 12:59.35 | click | just not familiar with how to add the xe/vserver additionals :) |
| 13:00.02 | enouf | click: out of curiousity - ever had that card working? and ever use a nvidia tnt2 or gf2 series? i'm curious about how the 2D support differs |
| 13:00.05 | themill | stoned_enkidu: but then you have no security support. Also, if you need $newpackage, you might not be able to install that without first completing a set of upgrades. |
| 13:00.19 | enouf | click: hrm .. one sec |
| 13:00.24 | stoned_enkidu | but if you feel lack of features, that you can find in devel pkgs... |
| 13:00.26 | click | enouf: the card works well |
| 13:00.33 | click | enouf: been using it for a few years |
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| 13:01.07 | enouf | click: are you on Etch? lenny? |
| 13:01.08 | click | enouf: on the deb-kernel there was this issue with the above-mentioned parameter, ie. grub locking up before EDID detection |
| 13:01.11 | click | etch |
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| 13:01.15 | stoned_enkidu | themill - i'm testing experimental packages, so i know that _very_ good |
| 13:01.21 | enouf | click: ~$ apt-cache showsrc linux-image-[TAB][TAB] |
| 13:01.28 | enouf | click: update prior |
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| 13:01.57 | enouf | click: eww .. grub locking? that's prior to kernel then :-P |
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| 13:02.37 | click | enouf: no - it's kernelside, it loads the kernel, then doing initrd, then going into a blocked state due to CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID=y |
| 13:02.53 | enouf | click: well, that's not grub related then ;-) |
| 13:03.05 | [Bart] | hello, stupid question from me: I removed by accident my alsa modules (rmmod), how can I load them again without rebooting? There is an /etc/modprobe.D/alsa-base, but how do I load the contents of that file? |
| 13:03.16 | click | enouf: did my research :D |
| 13:03.20 | stoned_enkidu | modprobe |
| 13:03.23 | enouf | [Bart]: alsaconf |
| 13:03.47 | click | enouf: oldtimer, just can't remember how to roll out customkernels based on the deb source :) |
| 13:04.05 | [Bart] | enouf : alsaconf doesn't exist anymore. Even with all alsa packages instlaled |
| 13:04.25 | click | enouf: as in, using the additional patches on top of the debianized kernel sources :) |
| 13:04.28 | stoned_enkidu | [Bart] use modprobe |
| 13:04.30 | enouf | click: plenty of docs in both /usr/share/{kernel-package}/doc/kernel-package and man pages :-) |
| 13:04.41 | enouf | [Bart]: you're on ubuntu? |
| 13:04.47 | click | enouf: a bit too much docs at times :d |
| 13:04.49 | click | :D |
| 13:04.50 | [Bart] | enouf : no , debian unstable. |
| 13:04.55 | enouf | click: you shouldn't need any additional - afait |
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| 13:05.08 | [Bart] | stoned_enkidu : but then you need to know for what to do the modprobe. |
| 13:05.34 | stoned_enkidu | what snd card do you have? |
| 13:05.35 | enouf | [Bart]: alsaconf certainly does exist |
| 13:05.36 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/alsa-utils/filelist |
| 13:05.53 | click | enouf: hm, well, all i need is essentially the kernel-config for 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 04) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) Subsystem: Matrox Graphics, Inc. Millennium G400 Dual Head Max |
| 13:05.57 | click | ooops |
| 13:06.06 | enouf | heh ;-) |
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| 13:06.17 | cahoot | [Bart]: shouldn't need alsaconf |
| 13:06.19 | click | enouf: hm, well, all i need is essentially the kernel-config for linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 13:06.36 | click | IF the patches exists in that kernel-source :P |
| 13:06.44 | enouf | cahoot: alsaconf wil unload and reload all snd modules - easiest method in my book |
| 13:06.59 | cahoot | alsa force-reload |
| 13:07.07 | [Bart] | enouf : indeed, that's also what I did in the past, but didn't work now :) |
| 13:07.14 | enouf | especially without knowing which modules were rmmod'd and him not using modprobe -r |
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| 13:07.20 | stoned_enkidu | enouf - but he seems to be alsaconf-proof ;-) |
| 13:07.32 | enouf | it's a *buntu-ism |
| 13:07.40 | [Bart] | cahoot : also didn't work: alsa force-reload |
| 13:07.40 | [Bart] | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 13:07.40 | [Bart] | Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
| 13:07.51 | enouf | cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 13:08.07 | cahoot | [Bart]: try modprobe snd-hda-intel && alsa force-reload |
| 13:08.14 | [Bart] | (well, I didn't do a rmmod, played with oss which does that :p ) |
| 13:08.14 | enouf | and what does /etc/modprobe.d/sound say? |
| 13:08.19 | stoned_enkidu | [Bart] do lspci and tell me sound device |
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| 13:08.23 | enouf | gah |
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| 13:09.23 | [Bart] | simple intel one: (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 13:09.31 | click | enouf: ref the 2d-part on the matrox vs nvidia gf2 or the tnt2 - i prefer the matrox for that |
| 13:09.47 | enouf | click: i'm on lenny/sid - here's what i see when running that command http://dpaste.com/104513/ |
| 13:09.55 | stoned_enkidu | so as mentioned above - modprobe snd-hda-intel |
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| 13:10.18 | cahoot | snd-intel8x0 more relevant I'd guess |
| 13:10.20 | enouf | click: i would too - but i want to know if there's a noticeable diff, since matrox were always big on 2D not 3D |
| 13:10.26 | [Bart] | stoned_enkidu : that modules doesn't exist |
| 13:10.46 | cahoot | [Bart]: built your own kernel? |
| 13:10.55 | enouf | [Bart]: did you rmmod, or rm /lib/modules/`uname r`/kernel/.... snd_ modules? |
| 13:11.08 | [Bart] | no, standard one :) 2.6.26 |
| 13:11.11 | click | enouf: well, it hasn't let me down yet - and it's a few years old, the additional monitor is just a godsend when fiddling around with video and graphics at least |
| 13:11.14 | stoned_enkidu | so other module from /lib/modules/(uname -r)/kernel/sound |
| 13:11.31 | [Bart] | enouf : I'm not thaaaaat stupid :) of course I didn't remove the modules files :) |
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| 13:11.38 | enouf | hands stoned_enkidu a $ |
| 13:11.39 | click | enouf: only thing is that it could have had more memory :) but ohwell |
| 13:11.54 | cahoot | [Bart]: installed alsa-modules specifically? |
| 13:11.56 | enouf | [Bart]: great - there's still some hope ;-p |
| 13:12.00 | stoned_enkidu | with intel ;-) you may even try to use via or realtek module (if any) |
| 13:12.07 | enouf | click: add it ;-) |
| 13:12.29 | click | enouf: hard to get hold of the extensionmodules :d |
| 13:12.30 | click | :D |
| 13:12.41 | [Bart] | enouf : the sound directory doesn't seem to exist in kernel versions about 2.6.22+ |
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| 13:12.44 | [Bart] | about= above |
| 13:13.00 | enouf | click: so, if you wanted to build the -vserver .26 version, you would grab the source for linux-image-2.6.26-1-vserver-686 |
| 13:13.11 | enouf | if x86_32 / i386 arch |
| 13:13.27 | stoned_enkidu | [Bart] impossible... if you have alsa on your kernel, you have to have that |
| 13:13.40 | [Bart] | found it... the stupid oss removed it |
| 13:13.51 | enouf | [Bart]: new years day drinking is over .. :-P |
| 13:13.55 | cahoot | [Bart]: you installed oss4? |
| 13:14.08 | enouf | it likely blacklisted them? |
| 13:14.13 | click | enouf: apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 gives me the source - isn't that the same source as for the other base kernels? |
| 13:14.17 | [Bart] | cahoot : yep, months ago. Seems that after each new kernel release, he is removing that |
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| 13:14.38 | click | *tests* |
| 13:14.50 | cahoot | [Bart]: ok self-inflicted injury |
| 13:14.53 | enouf | click: and then some :-) |
| 13:15.10 | [Bart] | cahoot :) explains a lot :p |
| 13:15.17 | click | enouf: testing |
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| 13:15.43 | cahoot | [Bart]: emo generation? |
| 13:16.02 | click | enouf: reason for asking is that it just pulls the base sourcepackage for linux-2.6 ... which confuses the hell out of me :P |
| 13:16.13 | enouf | click: er .. what you do is copy your/boot/config-2.6.18-xxxx over intp /src dir, then run 'make oldconfig', you'll get only the new options presented - don't worry about mistakes, but pay atttention - then make menuconfig to twak it all shiny ;-) |
| 13:16.14 | stoned_enkidu | cahoot: he have bad times right now ;-) |
| 13:16.14 | click | 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1 |
| 13:16.30 | enouf | click: hold on |
| 13:16.41 | click | enouf: heh, i've been hammering kernels since back in the 90's, so menuconfig isn't hard :) |
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| 13:17.05 | click | i'm just not 100% used (yet) on how debian adds patches into the source :) |
| 13:17.10 | enouf | click: yes, --> Package: linux-2.6 .. all those kernels listed below are built from that |
| 13:17.15 | click | and how it's being compiled during runtime |
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| 13:17.22 | click | (buildtime) |
| 13:17.32 | enouf | click: don't worry about it - see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 13:18.37 | enouf | click: just do the steps i just mentioned, and in the .config you should notice the relevant -vserver / xen options that would be missing from a non-xen-vserver kernel config |
| 13:18.46 | click | enouf: if i do a make menuconfig in the sourcetree, changing the CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID to 'no', then save that, and use the config from /boot/config-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver, i'll do hoppla fine, i presume? |
| 13:19.04 | click | err, make menuconfig AFTER copying the config ofcourse :P |
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| 13:19.23 | enouf | click: no, i don't like that direct editing of config, there will be many more OITHER options you miss |
| 13:19.41 | enouf | click: make oldconfig ; is my suggestion |
| 13:19.53 | click | ah, oldconfig, thanks |
| 13:20.07 | enouf | i think i said that 2-3 times now :-P |
| 13:20.34 | click | 3, i'm a tad slow, still not recovered from newyears eve :P |
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| 13:20.46 | click | :) |
| 13:21.03 | enouf | hehe - make me an omelette with sides of bacon/sausage and grilled cheese :-P |
| 13:21.08 | stoned_enkidu | click... seems not to be Slavic ;-) |
| 13:21.17 | enouf | and french toast deluxe :-) |
| 13:21.34 | click | hands enouf a beer or two :) |
| 13:21.48 | enouf | chuggs ... and grabs the scotch :-0 |
| 13:22.02 | click | that works as well :D |
| 13:22.34 | enouf | heh s/twak/tweak |
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| 13:28.36 | enouf | click: do yourself a flavor, look at the Build-Depends: in the output of ~$ apt-cache showsrc linux-image-2.6.18-xen-vserver-686 and ensure you have those all needed - just to ensure you have all the module-* pkgs, and any needed linux-module- ones |
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| 13:30.40 | click | enouf: yubb, all sorted :) |
| 13:31.27 | click | just wasn't sure how deb rolled 'customkernels' with xen-vserver etc, and which packages were used to build them, plus how to add the initrd/additional module-packages etc :) |
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| 13:33.55 | enouf | click: pass the --initrd option to make-kpkg, so a nice shiny initrd will be configured/generated upon installation of resultant .deb from make-kpkg ;-) |
| 13:33.59 | click | enough: too used to handmade kernels, that is why i thought i could just as well create a kernel-package that had what i needed, and understanding the flow properly, would save me a few builds for later |
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| 13:34.39 | NoReGreT | my eth0 is configured as dhcp on startup even though it got no entry in /etc/network/interfaces, is there another place for that ? |
| 13:34.56 | click | enouf: yeah, i've used make-kpkg a good few times, just wasn't sure how to roll the deb kernel-source like the xen-vserver ones :) |
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| 13:35.02 | enouf | click: aye .. debian package building need the "Debian Way" .. otherwise, you could grab kernel.org source and worry about applying your own patches and shit, and building in standard format :-P |
| 13:35.22 | TimothyA | in which directory does debian store the downloaded packages? |
| 13:35.27 | enouf | but dpkg -i name.deb is soooo nice ;-) |
| 13:35.40 | click | enouf: *nod* just takes some time to get around to understanding fully how it's rolled up :) |
| 13:35.41 | enouf | TimothyA: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:35.50 | enouf | or something ... |
| 13:36.13 | TimothyA | anything in cache is safe to delete, right? |
| 13:36.15 | click | yubb, it's in archives |
| 13:36.19 | click | timothya: apt-get clean |
| 13:36.36 | click | removes previously downloaded packages |
| 13:36.37 | TimothyA | click; the installation b0rked, and I'm trying to free up some diskspace |
| 13:36.55 | TimothyA | only 12MB... |
| 13:36.55 | enouf | click: other keynote factoids are <kp mantra> and <make-kpkg> ..and those they refer to etc |
| 13:36.57 | TimothyA | grrrs |
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| 13:37.19 | TimothyA | 13MB free... |
| 13:37.37 | enouf | TimothyA: try localepurge pkg - if you don't mind .. also if /usr is NOT on a separate partition |
| 13:38.03 | enouf | er.. that would be for removing unneeded /usr/share/doc/ files .. but wait .. |
| 13:38.04 | TimothyA | like i said, that distro isn't functioning at the moment |
| 13:38.14 | enouf | !listkeys etc |
| 13:38.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etc' by key (15 of 152): #debian etc ;; #debian fetchmail ;; _default /etc/network/interfaces ;; _default etch upgrade kernel ;; _default fetchmail ;; date of etch release ;; dnetc ;; et131x etch ;; etch bet ;; etch ff3 ;; etch pool 2 ;; netcom ;; netcraft ;; sarge->etch ;; says "current /etc/modules.conf #del#. |
| 13:38.20 | enouf | bah |
| 13:38.40 | TimothyA | 20MB free... |
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| 13:39.12 | TimothyA | 4 bytes |
| 13:39.21 | enouf | 42! |
| 13:39.28 | click | aha! |
| 13:39.35 | dutchfish | hi, using Debian Lenny, autofs works perfectly for all kind of devices and mounts per default in /media/[device] wich can be setup through /etc/auto.xxx configs, what is the debian way to allow a group of users rw access? Something like chown root:media /media and create a group media and give it rw access? |
| 13:39.37 | click | fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image |
| 13:39.49 | click | i forgot the modules_image |
| 13:40.03 | click | enouf: thanks |
| 13:40.13 | enouf | click: welcome ;-) |
| 13:40.24 | click | hm, is there a list of params it takes somewhere? |
| 13:40.31 | click | *_image ? |
| 13:40.35 | enouf | click: i don't think you need modules_image .. but sigh, can't say for certain offhand |
| 13:40.47 | enouf | click: make-kpkg --targets |
| 13:41.00 | click | perfect! |
| 13:41.05 | enouf | click: make-kpkg --help .. see the man page for al possible _image |
| 13:41.14 | click | *prints and puts it on the desk* |
| 13:41.21 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:42.12 | enouf | click: really - check the kp mantra, so you change the kernel name to your liking at the least - and append --initrd |
| 13:42.25 | click | yeah, got --append-to-version etc etc |
| 13:42.59 | enouf | dutchfish: i think that would depend on FStype and mount options |
| 13:43.23 | dutchfish | enouf, using xfs for this one |
| 13:43.23 | click | enouf: i rebuilt the base 2.6.18 to test the fix, but lost the xen-part in the go, that is why i needed to figure out how it was built :) |
| 13:43.23 | dutchfish | enouf, because large files |
| 13:43.24 | enouf | dutchfish: i would start with chown'in the /mnt/point to user:group that you want |
| 13:43.49 | dutchfish | enouf, hehe, i know, but it needs to be automagically as i explained for a usergroup |
| 13:44.17 | micols | how do i disable the mouse in X temporarily? |
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| 13:44.22 | enouf | dutchfish: i think the 'plugdev' group allows for all removable/hotpluggable use .. but still mount options, umask, perms ? etc come into play |
| 13:44.30 | micols | mouse cursor |
| 13:44.34 | enouf | dutchfish: well man pmount |
| 13:44.39 | JyZyXEL | with a bigmem kernel are there some limitations with the memory usage? |
| 13:44.46 | dutchfish | enouf, thank you Sir |
| 13:44.55 | JyZyXEL | like can one process use more than 4 GB of memory? |
| 13:45.02 | enouf | marcels: AllowMouse = True something - se man xorg.conf |
| 13:45.16 | micols | enouf: temporarily i said :) |
| 13:45.17 | enouf | JyZyXEL: no |
| 13:45.20 | micols | as with 'xset' |
| 13:45.25 | enouf | JyZyXEL: not more than 3G IIRC |
| 13:45.42 | enouf | micols: modprobe -r the mouse module |
| 13:45.53 | micols | enouf: thought about removing the ohci-hcd |
| 13:45.59 | micols | ohci_hcd |
| 13:46.02 | enouf | eww.. usb? |
| 13:46.07 | micols | yes unfortunately |
| 13:46.09 | enouf | no, don't do that :-P |
| 13:46.22 | enouf | unplug the sucker \o/ |
| 13:46.32 | micols | hehe, i need it for firefox from time to time |
| 13:46.38 | enouf | ... |
| 13:46.40 | micols | and for copy pasting between firefox and terminal |
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| 13:47.05 | micols | i just want the cursor hidden, as i got my blackbox hacked to always fullscreen. |
| 13:47.23 | enouf | micols: not sure if this applies to input devices, i doubt it, but it applies to block devices, see man sdparm |
| 13:47.36 | enouf | oh .. no idea offhand |
| 13:48.03 | micols | using screen as window manager is nice, control+alt+enter to open new window :) |
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| 13:48.12 | dutchfish | enouf, pmount and adding the usergroup to plugdev worked like a charm |
| 13:48.16 | micols | but i gues some would prefer ion |
| 13:48.44 | enouf | dutchfish: coolio ;-) .. wait, adding the usergroup to plugdev? plugdev IS a group ;-) |
| 13:48.52 | dutchfish | enouf, sure |
| 13:49.04 | micols | enouf: its weird, xset seems to do everything with the mouse except disabling it /enabling it :) |
| 13:49.06 | enouf | dutchfish: you added a group to a group? er ... |
| 13:49.16 | micols | and i only know of the option permanently in xorg.conf allowmouse |
| 13:49.17 | enouf | micols: you mean the arrow? |
| 13:49.22 | micols | yes the cursor arrow |
| 13:49.31 | micols | just want it hidden or changed when im not using the mouse. |
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| 13:49.37 | enouf | there's a way, IIRC, but it's not trivial - not sure |
| 13:49.46 | dutchfish | enouf, added all users belonging to my media group to plugdev as user |
| 13:49.50 | micols | perhaps i have to hack Xorg for it. |
| 13:49.53 | enouf | micols: ask in x related channels? |
| 13:49.58 | enouf | micols: even ##linux? |
| 13:50.16 | dutchfish | enouf, user from my media group can netmount too |
| 13:50.33 | enouf | dutchfish: adding all those in media, also to plugdev? then i think i understand ;-) |
| 13:50.55 | click | micols: Option "AllowEmptyInput" "True" |
| 13:51.03 | enouf | dutchfish: adding all those from groupname /media/, also into groupname /plugdev/? then i think i understand ;-) |
| 13:51.08 | dutchfish | enouf, yup, splended, adn vary easy in lenny after all, cool |
| 13:51.10 | click | then you can remove the mouse from the machine |
| 13:51.14 | enouf | dutchfish: sweet |
| 13:51.16 | micols | click: what does that do? i know allowopenfail |
| 13:52.02 | dutchfish | enouf, maybe a hint for blocksize in 1TB disks in xfs? all 4G files (cows) |
| 13:52.29 | click | micols: same thing as ' Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" ' in ServerFlags |
| 13:52.38 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm .. nothing offhand .. haven't toyed much with it |
| 13:52.56 | enouf | dutchfish: others will chime in - give some time - reask, etc |
| 13:52.58 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, ill delve into it along with ext4 for this |
| 13:53.02 | micols | click: how do i enable and disable the mouse then? |
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| 13:53.06 | enouf | er s/re-ask/ask again |
| 13:53.08 | enouf | ;-) |
| 13:53.16 | click | micols: just don't plug in the mouse :) |
| 13:53.31 | click | micols: *squeek* :) |
| 13:53.37 | enouf | click: he wants it 'temporarily', without restarting X |
| 13:53.45 | micols | click: i need to, and want it to only show cursor if i tickle my mouse |
| 13:53.45 | click | ouch... hm... |
| 13:53.56 | enouf | micols: get a usb hub near you ;-) |
| 13:54.02 | micols | hehe |
| 13:54.14 | dutchfish | enouf, i have made about 40 dif OS wich i cna run under KVM at will starting from Sarge |
| 13:54.15 | micols | i guess a quick hack of xorg will do it, but may take a long time to compile |
| 13:54.20 | enouf | micols: well, konsole makes the arrow go away after a certain preset time ;-) |
| 13:54.24 | enouf | micols: look into how |
| 13:54.24 | micols | got no reply in the xorg channel. |
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| 13:54.32 | click | micols: well, that would be the job of blackbox then, since (iirc) it rolls its own method on arrow-management...? |
| 13:54.47 | micols | enouf: cool, then it might be possible :) |
| 13:54.53 | enouf | i think even mplayer does in FullScreen mode, iirc |
| 13:55.05 | micols | click: blackbox doesnt control the mouse |
| 13:55.20 | click | enouf: yeah, through pointer-blanking |
| 13:55.24 | micols | it sends window signals to the Xserver |
| 13:55.39 | click | micols: hm, out of ideas then |
| 13:55.57 | enouf | micols: in Konsole -- Settings > Configure Konsole > Seconds to detect Silence setting |
| 13:55.58 | micols | enouf: yeah that too, i almost forgot, and gliv my opengl image viewer |
| 13:56.07 | micols | gotta fetch gliv src :) |
| 13:56.21 | enouf | just so you have a reference |
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| 13:56.32 | enouf | heh - gliv is cool |
| 13:56.56 | micols | i like it, with disabled menubars and statusbars. |
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| 13:57.06 | micols | and scrollbars :) |
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| 13:57.54 | click | enouf: oh, now i remember why i had issues with "make menuconfig" when tampering with the .config -file from the base kernel source |
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| 13:58.19 | click | enouf: .config:3306:warning: trying to assign nonexistent symbol XEN |
| 13:58.20 | click | :) |
| 13:58.25 | micols | i need to hack my blackbox a little more to set a fullscreen flag on my first started xterm i think, that way there will be no mouse for it, but for all other applications |
| 13:58.28 | dutchfish | enouf, not there totally so far it works for FS fat, ext3 but not xfs |
| 13:59.02 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm .. special mount options needed? |
| 13:59.20 | enouf | xfs_quota? xfs_xattrib? no idea mate |
| 13:59.30 | micols | _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN is what i need. |
| 13:59.36 | dutchfish | enouf, or d i need restart after install of xfsprogas? |
| 14:00.01 | dutchfish | enouf, no i can access it as root, works all well |
| 14:00.02 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm .. well a remount might be in order - shouldn't need a reboot though |
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| 14:00.16 | dutchfish | enouf, did that already but no juice |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | dice ? |
| 14:00.36 | enouf | click: tell me the steps prior to that, and pastebin all the ouput of the command that throws that error |
| 14:00.36 | dutchfish | yes |
| 14:00.45 | enouf | click: including the command you ran |
| 14:00.52 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i try reboot |
| 14:00.57 | enouf | !crapshoot |
| 14:01.00 | enouf | :-P |
| 14:01.15 | enouf | micols: in where? lmao |
| 14:01.36 | enouf | oh .. blackbox? |
| 14:02.08 | micols | yes, but thats already what i did set in it, its not the correct signal for hiding the mouse |
| 14:02.48 | enouf | see #blackbox ? how about #xorg-devel ? |
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| 14:03.41 | click | enouf: just checking something first, miiiiight be me doing something weird |
| 14:03.55 | dutchfish | enouf, mmm.. looks like i need to config it in automaps explicitly for this FS |
| 14:04.30 | enouf | dutchfish: ahh .. never used autofs, and you said there's a config for it in /etc/ ? |
| 14:04.53 | dutchfish | enouf, i delve into it, it wont be that hard i gues |
| 14:04.55 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.00 | click | enouf: hm, no sign of the XEN-stuff in the .config after doing make oldconfig either |
| 14:05.04 | bluethundr | I am trying to setup mailparse on my php config. running debian lenny here. I issued the command pecl install mailparse and edited my php.ini file and even rebooted the server . yet issuing php -m does not list mailparse in the output |
| 14:05.04 | dutchfish | enouf, yup |
| 14:05.35 | enouf | click: which CPU and arch are you on? |
| 14:05.41 | click | enouf: and that is from fetching /boot/config-2.6.18-6-xen-686 and stuffing it in as .config, then running make oldconfig |
| 14:05.48 | enouf | bah, i386 / -686 arch |
| 14:05.59 | enouf | click: no |
| 14:06.19 | enouf | click: pastebin ls /boot/config-* |
| 14:06.29 | dutchfish | click, if you goal is xen with lvm 2 take a look at autopkgtest-xenlvm |
| 14:06.44 | click | enouf: two entries : /boot/config-2.6.18-6-xen-686 /boot/config-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
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| 14:06.58 | enouf | dutchfish: he's trying to build from Debian source, and disable CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID |
| 14:07.13 | enouf | click: you never got source? |
| 14:07.16 | dutchfish | enouf, why so? |
| 14:07.21 | enouf | dutchfish: matrox card |
| 14:07.25 | enouf | buggy |
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| 14:07.28 | dutchfish | enouf, ah |
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| 14:07.52 | dutchfish | enouf, he might run into more issues with that one so |
| 14:07.54 | click | dutchfish: it's an issue with a gfxcard on boot, hence i just want to have the xen-vserver-686 without the CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EID rolled into it :) |
| 14:07.57 | enouf | dutchfish: see ./linux-2.6.25-rc2/drivers/video/Kconfig |
| 14:08.04 | tarzeau | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf |
| 14:08.04 | enouf | or your-fav kernel .. |
| 14:08.14 | tarzeau | i get this when i try to dist-upgrade from etch to lenny... any ideas? |
| 14:08.30 | dutchfish | click, better use the one kernel approach for your dom-u's not vserver builds |
| 14:08.30 | enouf | !lenny release notes |
| 14:08.30 | dpkg | Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ (latest draft; updated daily). See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687). |
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| 14:09.11 | click | dutchfish: doesn't matter, same thing happens anyway, same shit if i use dom-U or vserver, i still can't compile in the deb patch-set :P |
| 14:09.14 | dutchfish | click, specially in this case |
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| 14:09.29 | tarzeau | enouf: thanks, just using aptitue seems to help, let's see |
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| 14:09.37 | enouf | click: give me some minutes, i will d/l the source here and attempt the steps for a compile |
| 14:09.44 | enouf | tarzeau: cool .. |
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| 14:09.57 | dutchfish | enouf++ |
| 14:10.12 | click | dutchfish: the problem is that i can't figure out how to roll it from the base debian kernel-source WITH xen included |
| 14:10.23 | click | (which makes me scratch my head) |
| 14:10.56 | enouf | why is apt-cache so slowwwwww!!! even tab-completion ... again! |
| 14:11.32 | enouf | chfwiggum: i have no combo -vserver-xen ones avail, how about i choose eeither -xen or .. |
| 14:11.32 | dutchfish | click, i asume 64bit? |
| 14:11.47 | click | dutchfish: 32bit, it's just a playpen-box |
| 14:11.56 | enouf | crap |
| 14:12.01 | enouf | click: i have no combo -vserver-xen ones avail, how about i choose eeither -xen or .. |
| 14:12.07 | click | enouf: yeah, sure |
| 14:12.09 | enouf | chfwiggum: ignore me - i mistabbed |
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| 14:12.44 | enouf | ok .. apt-get source linux-image-2.6.26-1-xen-686 |
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| 14:13.13 | dutchfish | click, from source i roll my own from here: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/DebianPackageMaintenance |
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| 14:13.37 | enouf | 84% [2 linux-2.6 58296816/61.8MB 94%] 1687kB/s 6s |
| 14:13.40 | octoserver | is there a way to a recover a lost mysql password |
| 14:13.47 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:13.48 | dutchfish | click, only use pae |
| 14:13.58 | enouf | !lmrp |
| 14:13.58 | octoserver | i think that is the prob !ERROR! cannot connect to localhost. |
| 14:13.59 | abrotman | octoserver: for which user? |
| 14:14.06 | Mazingaro | please I got problem on Lenny to configure Radeon 9200 (k7 agp). Tx |
| 14:14.10 | octoserver | root |
| 14:14.16 | amitz | how to create live cd that only have grub in it? |
| 14:14.20 | enouf | hrm .. there's a factoid - ahh abrotman has you covered |
| 14:14.23 | click | dutchfish: the problem is that i can't do make oldconfig, it just removes any references to the XEN-part ... |
| 14:14.25 | abrotman | octoserver: ask #mysql probably .. |
| 14:14.32 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 14:14.33 | enouf | ifmrp ? |
| 14:14.38 | enouf | ifmsrp ? |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 14:14.40 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 14:14.41 | octoserver | abrotman: i could just uninstal and purge it right? |
| 14:14.43 | enouf | hah |
| 14:14.57 | dutchfish | click, ah the nvidia bug, google on xen nvidia or use 2.6.26 |
| 14:15.06 | Malf | ahaha dpkg you rule |
| 14:15.06 | abrotman | not sure why you're mysql'ing as root .. (or at all), but whatever |
| 14:15.11 | octoserver | ill try thanks lol |
| 14:15.50 | octoserver | abrotman: i was playing with a bot, and I dont even remember how i set mysql up i havent played with it in a long time |
| 14:15.53 | enouf | dutchfish: oh? because nvidia binary blobs are installed? or .. do you refer to the bug in nvidia drivers that says Xen ARCH is being used and it can't continue? |
| 14:16.02 | enouf | click: read ^^^^^^^^ |
| 14:16.06 | octoserver | abrotman: basically dont know what I am doing yet |
| 14:16.10 | dutchfish | enouf, the last 1 , (maybe) |
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| 14:16.19 | click | enouf: no nvidia-packages installed, just verified |
| 14:16.21 | dutchfish | enouf, no, anoterh bug |
| 14:16.24 | abrotman | hint! postgresql :) |
| 14:16.24 | enouf | dutchfish: i recall that one - it started occuring around .26 though |
| 14:16.37 | click | [root@raven ../linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1]# dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 14:16.40 | enouf | and nvidia finally fixed it afer blaming us! :-) |
| 14:16.43 | click | nada |
| 14:16.44 | dutchfish | enouf, its on the net, i cant find it right away |
| 14:16.55 | click | *scratches his head* |
| 14:17.00 | enouf | the debian-kernel mailing list references it |
| 14:17.10 | enouf | click: nm ... hang on |
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| 14:17.28 | dutchfish | click, xen 3.1 right? |
| 14:17.39 | click | dutchfish: no idea what is rolled with etch |
| 14:17.59 | click | dutchfish: 3.0.3 pae |
| 14:18.03 | TwistOfFate | i can't find bitchx in lenny |
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| 14:18.12 | dutchfish | click, ok |
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| 14:18.21 | abrotman | click: grep nv ? |
| 14:18.34 | click | no references to nv |
| 14:18.40 | TwistOfFate | i've done an aptitude search bitchx |
| 14:18.41 | TwistOfFate | no results |
| 14:18.41 | enouf | TwistOfFate: it's gone |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: irssi |
| 14:18.49 | TwistOfFate | why is it gone? |
| 14:18.55 | enouf | judd: versions bitchx |
| 14:18.55 | judd | enouf: bitchx -- etch: 1:1.1-4 |
| 14:19.01 | enouf | buggy |
| 14:19.02 | abrotman | about a bazillion reasons .. some of them security related |
| 14:19.08 | abrotman | !tell TwistOfFate about bitchx |
| 14:19.09 | enouf | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 14:19.10 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | that's not going to be useful |
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| 14:19.39 | enouf | oh well |
| 14:19.41 | click | tempting to just roll a 2.6.28-kernel and patch that manually :p |
| 14:19.49 | enouf | click: try it |
| 14:19.57 | TwistOfFate | i can't believe it. bitchx is one of the most famous irc clients |
| 14:20.19 | cahoot | infamous now? |
| 14:20.37 | TwistOfFate | is epic and ircii still in lenny? |
| 14:20.44 | click | enouf: i wonder how the kernelmaintainers did their xen-packages when there is no trace of the xen-source in the 2.6 tree :P |
| 14:20.55 | click | *ponders* |
| 14:21.23 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: ircii is IIRC |
| 14:21.26 | abrotman | judd: versions ircii |
| 14:21.27 | judd | abrotman: ircii -- etch: 20051015-2 lenny: 20051015-2.3 sid: 20051015-2.3 |
| 14:21.39 | koollman | click: voodoo and great coding skills ? :) |
| 14:21.40 | enouf | click: xen in .18 was mostly out-of-tree - since, has been integrated into-tree much .. so |
| 14:21.49 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: though most of the CLI IRCers around here us irsii |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | irrsi |
| 14:22.07 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 14:22.14 | koollman | 'the' 2.6 tree isn't what you think. it's a forest, really :) |
| 14:22.17 | TimothyA | points |
| 14:22.17 | sajes | irssi. |
| 14:22.32 | sajes | gives abrotman some finger rests. |
| 14:22.33 | abrotman | yeah .. i can't see what i'm typing yet :) |
| 14:22.49 | click | well, it -should- be in the debian sourcepackage if packed as a .deb... weird... |
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| 14:22.56 | dutchfish | enouf, click i cant find the one i am looking for, i need to run also, ill be back in ~1 hour, if you are patient i help you out then |
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| 14:23.15 | enouf | dutchfish: no worries - have fun ;-) |
| 14:23.33 | click | i love these kinds of 'issues' :) |
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| 14:24.05 | enouf | crap - / FS == 96% used O_o |
| 14:25.08 | click | ok, new attempt: apt-get install linux-tree-2.6.18 :p |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:25.46 | click | build linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen without CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID :P |
| 14:25.53 | click | with deb buildmethods :P |
| 14:26.54 | click | for some odd reason the base source doesn't have xen-patches in it, so i'm testing if it's related to that it needs the 2.6.18 debian patches applied prior to even starting |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | so if you `apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-686-xen` .. what do you get? |
| 14:27.41 | click | tried apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-xen-686 etc, and it pulls the source as it should, but it doesn't have the xen-additions |
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| 14:27.52 | click | that is the weird part |
| 14:28.09 | dutchfish | click, etch or lenny? |
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| 14:28.26 | click | etch |
| 14:28.46 | enouf | click: i'm untarring |
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| 14:28.53 | enouf | er unpacking |
| 14:28.57 | soulchild | Hi all,.... hope someone can help me with this scripting problem: I have to files, one hast the Name, and another file has the id's, I want to merge these to files into one file with "Name:ID", any ideas ? |
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| 14:29.24 | enouf | like a fool, i used the -v option :-P |
| 14:29.31 | click | :P |
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| 14:29.51 | click | np, i just find it funny that i have this issue anyway - good learningexperience |
| 14:30.03 | enouf | indeed |
| 14:30.39 | click | it just puzzles me how they rolled the -xen packages, and not having it in the sourcetree :P |
| 14:30.58 | RichiH | is there any way to tell ssh not to wait for the input of a password forever? |
| 14:31.11 | click | and there's no notes when doing a search with apt-cache that there's any external patch required for it :P |
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| 14:31.43 | abrotman | RichiH: it doesn't really IIRC |
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| 14:31.46 | dutchfish | click, dont forget these http://packages.debianbase.de/sources/xen3/hooks/etch/i386/ (i must run now really) good luck |
| 14:32.02 | RichiH | abrotman: yah, the manpage does not say anything, either |
| 14:32.03 | RichiH | sucks |
| 14:32.36 | abrotman | RichiH: ISTR that after a bit of time, no matter what you input, the sshd won't take it and break the connection |
| 14:33.00 | RichiH | yah, but the client does not time out |
| 14:33.06 | RichiH | it just sits there |
| 14:33.09 | NoReGreT | my eth0 is configured as dhcp on startup even though it got no entry in /etc/network/interfaces, is there another place for that ? |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | RichiH: hit enter :) |
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| 14:34.56 | soulchild | Hi all,.... hope someone can help me with this scripting problem: I have to files, one hast the Name, and another file has the id's, I want to merge these to files into one file with "Name:ID", any ideas ? |
| 14:35.23 | enouf | click: did you rename your config-18-xxxx to .config prior to make oldconfig? |
| 14:35.32 | click | enouf: yabb |
| 14:35.45 | enouf | click: ok - about to run make oldconfig now |
| 14:35.52 | click | enouf: it's by the book :) |
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| 14:37.03 | click | enouf: if you do the make oldconfig, it regenerates the config as it should, but there's no sign of the xen-additions anywhere in the config even after that |
| 14:37.12 | click | weird :P |
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| 14:37.50 | dutchfish | click, aply patches BEFORE make oldconfig |
| 14:38.01 | mmlj4 | hast? thou usest an archaic tongue |
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| 14:39.05 | mmlj4 | soulchild: perl comes to mind |
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| 14:40.53 | ma3x | hello |
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| 14:41.08 | ma3x | how can i enable/use usb labtec webcam in linux? |
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| 14:41.21 | bynari- | How would I setup my network interfaces at startup other than in rc.local? |
| 14:41.33 | enouf | click: now, i just did make oldconfig - a lot of crap whizzed by - so i did make menuconfig, then /, then xen, then Enter - >> http://dpaste.com/104540/ |
| 14:41.34 | click | dutchfish: WHICH patches? :) there's no additionals referencing -xen anywhere, and no sign of it in the linux-2.6 source package - this is what makes me scratch my head - the end directory after doing apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-xen-686 is 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1, which is the debianpatched source, right? |
| 14:41.53 | cahoot | bynari-: man interfaces |
| 14:42.02 | enouf | click: IOW, i'm used to having make oldconfig prompt me - but it didn't this time for some reason |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | eww .. rc.local |
| 14:42.13 | enouf | but as you can see - there are Xen options |
| 14:42.14 | liable | ma3x: do you *ever* actually try and google something before you come here? i remember your nick for about two years now, and you still act like someone that installed debian yesterday.. |
| 14:42.15 | click | enouf: hm, weird |
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| 14:42.29 | enouf | click: i'm on .26 remember |
| 14:42.30 | click | enouf: and that was from 2.6.18-6-xen-686 ? |
| 14:42.31 | bynari- | thanks, cahoot |
| 14:42.33 | click | hm, yeah |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | liable: he probably just reinstalled yesterday :) |
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| 14:42.42 | click | it might need to be patched then |
| 14:42.44 | enouf | click: and there;s no -vserver- part to this -xen-686 |
| 14:42.56 | enouf | click: i'm asking in the relevant places |
| 14:43.00 | click | nah, i've tested with the -xen-686 as well |
| 14:43.08 | click | same issue occurs |
| 14:43.13 | click | that is for .18 |
| 14:43.14 | ma3x | liable: yes i googled it and i didn't find anything that can help me, so i ask if someone already knows if using the labtec usb webcam is impossible, so that i don't bother searching more results and wasting more time |
| 14:43.39 | enouf | click: well .. i'd have to go through the whole thing all over - manually grab those needed pkgs and configs |
| 14:43.46 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&=&q=linux+labtec+webcam&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f |
| 14:43.57 | nairb | hi! i have an a4tech 635M webcam and I can't get it working |
| 14:44.03 | nairb | can help me? |
| 14:44.11 | enouf | click: but i will - if i can find them easily enough - give me some time |
| 14:44.23 | cahoot | ma3x: googled on its usbID? |
| 14:44.26 | click | enouf: well, if i need to bump to a newer one, i will, just found it weird that it's not in the sourcetree, when there's an actual 2.6.18-6-xen-686 kernel image in the repos (using official repos only) |
| 14:45.02 | liable | abrotman: i can only smile at that :) otherwise banging head against desk as usual.. |
| 14:45.09 | click | the vserver-addition isn't "required", i just found this issue from using that image specifically |
| 14:45.15 | ma3x | cahoot: usb 4-2: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=0929 which one is usb id? |
| 14:45.21 | enouf | click: apt-cache showsrc 2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 14:45.26 | abrotman | liable: just do like most of the rest of the channel and ignore him :) |
| 14:45.33 | click | enouf: none |
| 14:45.37 | NoReGreT | my eth0 is configured as dhcp on startup even though it got no entry in /etc/network/interfaces, is there another place for that ? I just don't want it to startup |
| 14:45.43 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.54 | bynari- | I'm also having a bit of a problem. My /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting set to new values. Specifically the local gateway for vmnet virtual interfaces that vmware is using |
| 14:45.54 | abrotman | NoReGreT: put your interfaces file in a pastebin |
| 14:45.57 | click | enouf: so it seems it's not even there as source :P |
| 14:46.00 | enouf | click: pastebin your sources.list |
| 14:46.04 | bynari- | This happens every 10 minutes |
| 14:46.09 | liable | abrotman: i did, i changed severs and havent done it again yet. |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | !tell bynari- about resolvconf |
| 14:46.19 | bynari- | Great, cheers |
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| 14:46.51 | enouf | fixresolvconf? |
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| 14:47.04 | click | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1298305 |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | i was hoping he'd follow the yellow brick road |
| 14:47.12 | enouf | ahh |
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| 14:47.18 | click | enouf: as you can see, base repos only |
| 14:47.42 | NoReGreT | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m50089a, I added the bridge part, that's why I don't want eth0 anymore to start and take dhcp |
| 14:48.00 | ma3x | isn't there a kernel module for quickcam in debian? |
| 14:48.14 | enouf | click: beauty - nice to see - however that pkg you want might have been removed due to bugs? |
| 14:48.27 | enouf | click: let's check with pdo |
| 14:48.29 | click | might be |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | NoReGreT: there are easier ways to do a bridge .. but anyways ... |
| 14:48.51 | abrotman | NoReGreT: is this a desktop machine ? |
| 14:48.53 | NoReGreT | abrotman: likw what ? |
| 14:48.57 | NoReGreT | abrotman: yeah |
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| 14:49.06 | abrotman | NoReGreT: possibly using network-manager? |
| 14:49.40 | enouf | click: what's the exact name again? |
| 14:49.45 | enouf | 2.6.18-6-vserver-xen-686 ? |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | liable: see ... |
| 14:49.55 | NoReGreT | abrotman: I can't find that, shall I add this package or what ? |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | no |
| 14:50.05 | click | enouf: try 2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 14:50.07 | bynari- | abrotman: resolvconf doesn't seem to be running. my /etc/resolv.conf is a hard file |
| 14:50.14 | click | enouf: same result on both |
| 14:50.22 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/gspca-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 14:50.24 | abrotman | bynari-: it's being overwritten about dhcp |
| 14:50.30 | enouf | oh crap |
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| 14:50.45 | abrotman | !tell bynari- about fixresolvconf |
| 14:50.50 | abrotman | so much of the yellow brick road |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | much for |
| 14:50.57 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 14:51.02 | bynari- | Thanks again :-) |
| 14:51.08 | NoReGreT | abrotman: so what about the eth0 startup ? |
| 14:51.23 | CoolCold | enouf: are u sleeping sometime?:) |
| 14:51.32 | bynari- | I missed the bit about fixresolvconf. I just went off to read about resolvconf |
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| 14:51.42 | click | enouf: yeah... it's in there, but no green lights on building it WITH xen on that source :P |
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| 14:52.02 | abrotman | NoReGreT: look in your init scripts to see if anything might be doing it .. and check the /etc/network/ directory for possible other scripts like in the pre-up.d |
| 14:52.15 | enouf | click: Download Source Package linux-2.6: [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc] [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz] * [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz] |
| 14:52.35 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:52.39 | enouf | click: so manually d/l those - that's your needed src |
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| 14:52.47 | enouf | click: wipe out whatever is there now |
| 14:52.47 | nairb | when i try to access my a4tech webcam using camorama, I'm having this error : "could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) please check connection" |
| 14:52.48 | click | enouf: did, it's what gets pulled down when doing apt-get source |
| 14:52.48 | Mazingaro | please how can I reinstall /etc/X11/xsession file? |
| 14:52.50 | sphenxes | I start some programs on booting my computer. They all open in workspace 1. Is there any tricks that open every program in a different workspace (or screen)? |
| 14:53.08 | bolt | what's the quickest way to garble the contents of a harddrive? just dd from random to /dev/hda? |
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| 14:53.15 | enouf | click: your apt-cache isn't showing it for whatever reason - so "apt-get source ..." isn't working properly |
| 14:53.40 | click | well, it pulls these : |
| 14:53.40 | bynari- | abrotman: Also, it seems strange that it's getting an address from the vmnet interfaces when the only interface with dhcp setup is eth0 |
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| 14:53.57 | nairb | did I miss something? i already did m-a auto-install spca5xx |
| 14:54.01 | enouf | click: oh crap - does "apt-cache showsrc linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686" show it? |
| 14:54.03 | bynari- | If I run dhclient it'll set the ns correctly |
| 14:54.16 | nairb | and apt-get install camorama |
| 14:54.21 | enouf | click: you need to correct source pkgs, obviously |
| 14:54.34 | nairb | and apt-get install webcam-server |
| 14:54.43 | enouf | click: er .. .tar.gz + .disc + .diff |
| 14:55.18 | click | enouf: two sec, testing with the referenced packages from packages.* |
| 14:55.24 | enouf | click: but .. i noticed, when using apt-get source ... the .diff get applied automatically :-P |
| 14:55.46 | click | yabb |
| 14:55.55 | click | does the same here |
| 14:56.08 | click | and in short, it's the same as doing apt-get source linux-2.6 :P |
| 14:56.19 | enouf | click: if you have the correct files, might need to run dpkg-diff, or whatever to apply the .diff, and/or .dsc .. let me see |
| 14:56.21 | click | so something is fishy |
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| 14:56.24 | enouf | no |
| 14:56.26 | enouf | it's not |
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| 14:56.47 | click | ok, emptied out /usr/src/ |
| 14:57.01 | click | grabbing the referenced files |
| 14:58.02 | themill | dpkg-source -x |
| 14:58.18 | enouf | tombs: right, just saw it |
| 14:58.22 | click | sidenote : from packages.* : " Download Source Package linux-2.6: " |
| 14:58.22 | enouf | er themill: |
| 14:58.23 | enouf | dpkg-source: extracting linux-2.6 in linux-2.6-2.6.26 |
| 14:58.32 | enouf | dpkg-source: info: unpacking linux-2.6_2.6.26.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:58.40 | enouf | dpkg-source: info: applying linux-2.6_2.6.26-12.diff.gz |
| 14:58.50 | click | yabb, it does the diff on the source |
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| 14:59.03 | enouf | click: don't build in /usr/src - make another dir/ somewhere and do it |
| 14:59.11 | enouf | preferably on another HDD |
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| 14:59.38 | enouf | it took me all this time to backscroll to that point of dpkg-source msgs :-P |
| 14:59.47 | enouf | and to find the correct xterm i did that in :-P |
| 14:59.48 | click | ok, just moved it to /store/funtime :P |
| 15:00.05 | enouf | is mine /mnt/p3/home/exper/linux-2.6.26-xen |
| 15:00.25 | click | unpacked source |
| 15:00.31 | click | patching with the diff... |
| 15:00.52 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 15:00.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 15:00.59 | NoReGreT | abrotman: i can't seem to find anything related to it |
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| 15:02.03 | enouf | omg .. my diff.gz is 7.4MB O_o |
| 15:02.12 | enouf | wanted to look at it :-P |
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| 15:03.05 | abrotman | NoReGreT: maybe try putting all your stuff in one script instead of numerous pre-up commands |
| 15:03.22 | a59303 | hello |
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| 15:03.27 | click | ok, patched source |
| 15:03.38 | click | entering sourcedir |
| 15:03.48 | click | copying xen-config from /boot |
| 15:03.51 | NoReGreT | abrotman: and then call it from rc ? |
| 15:03.53 | click | (to .config) |
| 15:04.06 | abrotman | call it from pre-up .. but as one command |
| 15:04.21 | NoReGreT | I see |
| 15:05.00 | a59303 | Im getting a message from syslogd@localhost |
| 15:05.07 | enouf | click: zless linux-2.6_2.6.26-12.diff.gz | grep -A 10 +Patches |
| 15:05.08 | click | enouf: ok, make oldconfig completed, entering through make menuconfig |
| 15:05.19 | click | kk |
| 15:05.24 | a59303 | and I don't know how to interpret it |
| 15:05.27 | enouf | click: for some info about that - you asked prior - do it later ;-) |
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| 15:05.51 | enouf | click: obviously, replace the .diff file name with your .18-xxxx |
| 15:06.41 | click | yubb, but ok, now i've unpacked and patched the source |
| 15:06.57 | click | testing if xen is in it |
| 15:08.18 | enouf | heh, the other day, i saw someone supposedly in the know tell another that .dsc == DeSCription, not Debian SourCe ... but it means neither ;-) |
| 15:08.19 | enouf | Debian source con- |
| 15:08.19 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.58 | maligor | Dribble Sizzling File |
| 15:09.09 | maligor | +Control |
| 15:09.11 | enouf | click: man dpkg-source - informative - thanks themill - the mrs would be proud :-) |
| 15:09.19 | themill | :) |
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| 15:10.40 | enouf | a59303: maybe we should guess? |
| 15:11.01 | a59303 | I'm sorry, what do you mean |
| 15:11.12 | enouf | !8ball what does a59303 's error message say? |
| 15:11.12 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 15:11.16 | click | a59303: WHAT message? |
| 15:11.39 | a59303 | oh disabling irq #201 |
| 15:11.42 | enouf | click: joy? no joy? |
| 15:12.04 | enouf | hit /, type in xen, hit Enter :-) |
| 15:12.30 | enouf | loves how links2 also searches that way ;-) |
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| 15:12.34 | click | no matches found |
| 15:12.35 | click | :P |
| 15:12.37 | enouf | pokes themill .. again :-P |
| 15:12.43 | enouf | click: you suck! :-P |
| 15:12.55 | enouf | click: i'm a gonna do it here .. FFS |
| 15:12.56 | click | try it with the same source :) |
| 15:13.07 | click | something IS fishy with that sourcepackage |
| 15:13.33 | a59303 | enouf: what is xen |
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| 15:13.43 | click | a59303: virtualization-mechanism |
| 15:13.56 | click | a59303: kind of like vmware :P |
| 15:13.59 | a59303 | oh you mean so that you could check |
| 15:14.07 | themill | !enouf |
| 15:14.07 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 15:14.13 | dft | hello |
| 15:14.41 | click | a59303: don't bother with it, unless you know what you're doing :P |
| 15:14.55 | a59303 | sounded a bit.. something |
| 15:15.18 | click | a59303: it's virtual machines running on a main kernel, guest/host operatingsystems |
| 15:15.40 | Mazingaro | please how can I force to reinstall a package: apt-get install --reinstall won't reinstall all the package files |
| 15:15.44 | click | a59303: not for the faint of heart, or totally new to virtualization |
| 15:16.00 | click | mazingaro: apt-get install packagename --reinstall :P |
| 15:16.10 | click | all packagefiles? |
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| 15:16.16 | asg | Mazingaro: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:16.19 | a59303 | click: so you mean I'm running another os |
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| 15:16.50 | dft | first time pkg builder here so go easy on me |
| 15:16.51 | click | a59303: google "xen virtualization" |
| 15:17.21 | click | dft: shoot |
| 15:17.37 | a59303 | click: Ok, thanks |
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| 15:17.55 | click | enouf: found the same thing yet? :) |
| 15:17.55 | dft | I'm repackaging and older version of vpnc...long story, but I've taken the conffiles.list from the most recent pkg for ubuntu 8.04.1 and used it in /var/lib/dpkg/info... |
| 15:18.03 | enouf | click: ok, i manually d/l all needed files - going to run dpkg-source now |
| 15:18.19 | click | enouf: there's no XEN in that source, at all :P |
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| 15:18.24 | dft | built the pkg, and when using Gdebi to install it errors out trying to rm /var ... which isn't right if you ask me |
| 15:18.29 | click | enouf: beats me why... :) |
| 15:18.36 | dft | as in, it shouldn't be trying to rm /var |
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| 15:19.02 | click | dft: did you build the package and pack it with fakeroot? |
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| 15:19.31 | dft | click: fakeroot? as in sudo? |
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| 15:19.51 | enouf | click: did you run dpkg-source PRIOR to unpacking the tar.gz ? |
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| 15:20.25 | enouf | click: dpkg-source: extracting linux-2.6 in linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1 |
| 15:20.26 | enouf | dpkg-source: info: unpacking linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:20.28 | click | enouf: dpkg-source -x linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc |
| 15:20.48 | enouf | dpkg-source: info: applying linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz |
| 15:20.56 | click | dpkg-source: extracting linux-2.6 in linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1 |
| 15:20.56 | click | dpkg-source: unpacking linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:20.56 | click | dpkg-source: applying ./linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz |
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| 15:21.16 | click | no sign of xen in that sourcetree |
| 15:21.17 | enouf | ok, then tar -xzf ? i'm about to do that now |
| 15:21.33 | enouf | wait .. still working :-P |
| 15:21.38 | click | unpack again? o.O |
| 15:21.41 | enouf | done |
| 15:21.52 | enouf | now .. i need to use my .16 config .. ugh |
| 15:22.06 | click | i have a 2.6.18 base config for xen |
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| 15:22.12 | click | two sec |
| 15:22.24 | enouf | was smart - i left off the -v this time :-P |
| 15:22.29 | enouf | this is a pII :-) |
| 15:22.46 | a59303 | click: looks advanced and not something I need anyway, |
| 15:22.52 | enouf | click: you shouldn't even use that - but a plain jane .18-6-686 config |
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| 15:23.04 | enouf | still unpacking |
| 15:23.08 | scgtrp | http://pastebin.ca/1298339 << i'm getting one of those daily on my server. how can i fix them? |
| 15:24.01 | click | enouf: want me to test unpacking with tar, as in dropping it on top of the diff-patched kernel? |
| 15:24.05 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.08 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:24.15 | enouf | click: no |
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| 15:24.25 | click | *twiddles thumbs* |
| 15:25.17 | a59303 | localhost kernel: Desabling IRQ #201 |
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| 15:25.27 | click | my assumption is that the 2.6.18-* source requires additional fiddling, as in doesn't contain the xen-source etc |
| 15:25.44 | click | or i might be totally off chart somewhere |
| 15:25.45 | dft | click: give me a second, I'm putting together a list of what I've done on pastebin |
| 15:26.01 | enouf | click: running make oldconfig now ((after copying my /boot/config-2.6.16-686-* into /src/ and renaming to .config) |
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| 15:26.28 | Mazingaro | please help, I could not reinstall my /etc/X11/Xsession file, I could not login in my box :) |
| 15:26.33 | click | enouf: yabb, shouldn't be a problem, as you still will not find the XEN-part :P |
| 15:26.35 | enouf | click: i suspect i have MANY questions to answer now ... and .. yep |
| 15:26.44 | enouf | click: watch |
| 15:26.59 | a59303 | localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #201 |
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| 15:28.42 | scgtrp | Mazingaro, switch to a tty (ctrl-alt-f1) and login? |
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| 15:28.59 | abrotman | Mazingaro: /msg dpkg confmiss .. the package is x11-common |
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| 15:29.11 | Mazingaro | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:29.50 | click | dumtidum... |
| 15:29.52 | click | :) |
| 15:30.09 | Mazingaro | abrotman: it works! Great thank you |
| 15:30.17 | dft | click: http://pastebin.com/m4426738e |
| 15:30.32 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I was concerning about xserver-xorg :) |
| 15:30.35 | a59303 | click: so is there a simple reason that i might be getting this message |
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| 15:30.54 | a59303 | kernel: disabling IRQ #201 |
| 15:31.25 | enouf | hrm .. what |
| 15:31.41 | enouf | hrm .. what's this click ? related to your Card? Matrox G400 transport layer for 1-wire (W1_MASTER_MATROX) [N/m/?] (NEW) |
| 15:31.47 | abrotman | Mazingaro: apt-file would help you find which package |
| 15:31.54 | click | enouf: two sec, will check |
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| 15:32.21 | Mazingaro | abrotman: thanks, but m /etc/X11 was wiped off :) |
| 15:32.38 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 15:32.45 | enouf | click: haha! .. look at one of my question! Enable firmware EDID (FIRMWARE_EDID) [Y/n/?] (NEW) |
| 15:33.08 | enouf | click: using a plain debian 2.6.16 config, and running make oldconfig :-P |
| 15:33.31 | click | enouf: yeah, that one is a pain in the ass :P |
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| 15:33.56 | enouf | click: huh? i could upload it for you :-P |
| 15:34.34 | click | nah, i have that question, the issue i'm experiencing is the xen-part, which seems to be nowhere in the configs atm |
| 15:34.39 | click | :p |
| 15:35.02 | enouf | click: ok, i didn't see anything about xen, nor vserver - but here comes make menuconfig :-) |
| 15:35.16 | click | yeah, it's just not in that source, anywhere :P |
| 15:35.49 | click | so, either they have built customkernels, and forgot to add the patch-sets, or they have revoked it |
| 15:36.24 | click | and, heh, it's found as a working kernel in the image-sets :P |
| 15:36.37 | click | so... |
| 15:36.40 | click | humhum |
| 15:36.41 | click | :) |
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| 15:37.25 | nan8 | shouldn't the xtest extension be disabled by default as it reintroduces the old problem of key press insertion into root terminals? |
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| 15:40.37 | click | enouf: make menuconfig has an option to load the config remember, so it should pop up there as well :) |
| 15:40.37 | a59303 | could someone help me with this? |
| 15:40.45 | click | a59303: googled it? |
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| 15:41.11 | a59303 | irq, yeah but I don't understand the stuff I got |
| 15:41.22 | nan8 | or is it disabled by default in the fault is on my side? |
| 15:41.41 | enouf | click: i can't find anything xen, nor vserver related - cause it's out-of-tree back then? there is a SYS_HYPERVISOR option, but doesn't saty where :-P |
| 15:41.52 | click | enouf: exactly :P |
| 15:42.05 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.24 | a59303 | I'll check again |
| 15:42.34 | enouf | click: summana B***! |
| 15:42.39 | click | :D |
| 15:42.46 | enouf | !spank click |
| 15:42.46 | dpkg | bends click over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 15:42.49 | petemc | nan8: im not sure that debian ever had a problem with keypresses in root terminals, perhaps you want a java or android channel? |
| 15:43.06 | click | enouf: well, i was right - it's a source-issue :P |
| 15:43.14 | nan8 | petemc: xdotool windowactivate 41943076; ltrace xdotool type "id" |
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| 15:43.30 | nan8 | petemc: assuming 41943076 is the window id of a root terminal |
| 15:43.46 | nan8 | petemc: insert a linefeed before the last quote |
| 15:44.06 | petemc | nan8: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 15:44.08 | click | enouf: i guess i'll have to hop on the badnwagon and use lenny :P |
| 15:44.33 | nan8 | petemc: xtest is a x extension for automatic testing |
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| 15:44.53 | nan8 | petemc: xdotool is a tool using that extension (apt-cache show xdotool) |
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| 15:45.16 | nan8 | petemc: aptitude install xdotool |
| 15:45.25 | nan8 | petemc: open a "root terminal" |
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| 15:46.08 | enouf | click: i;m asking in the kernel dev channel - just have to wait |
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| 15:46.30 | nan8 | petemc: xwininfo -int to get the window id - then xdotool and you will see the problem (xterm does not accept fake events via xsendkey but there is no protection against fake key events sent via xtest extension) |
| 15:46.35 | IRCMonkey | Hi |
| 15:47.17 | petemc | nan8: oh, theres a xtest for java too - in any case, if theres a problem reporting it via the bts might be best |
| 15:47.27 | enouf | click: maybe you are right - we're both missing something .. like external pkgs, or whatever is IN the source, is unknown exactly what's enabled to make the/any external patchsets or pkgs to work properly |
| 15:47.37 | IRCMonkey | I'm looking for a simple solution to obtain a printable document from a scanned document |
| 15:47.56 | nan8 | petemc: i am just not sure if the default xorg config created contains 'Option "XTEST" "Disable"' or not |
| 15:48.14 | nan8 | petemc: could you grep your config (if you still use the default one) |
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| 15:48.26 | enouf | click: wait! .. i forgot this depends! (Depends on the linux-*image*-version) -=-> * dep: linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1) |
| 15:48.27 | click | enouf: look in debian/patches/features/all/ |
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| 15:48.36 | asg | IRCMonkey: what format are the scanned documents in? |
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| 15:48.48 | IRCMonkey | I would like not to have to make the same heavy gimp treatment for the scanned document |
| 15:48.51 | IRCMonkey | jpeg |
| 15:49.02 | IRCMonkey | asg: jpeg |
| 15:49.07 | enouf | click: everything is distributed in that modules pkg i bet! |
| 15:49.14 | click | *tests* |
| 15:49.30 | petemc | nan8: its not in any configs i have |
| 15:49.34 | enouf | click: http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686/filelist |
| 15:49.35 | asg | IRCMonkey: I know there is a tiff2pdf converter in the tiff-utils package. I'd search for something to do the same from jpegs |
| 15:49.39 | IRCMonkey | it's only the back ground of the document will do a grey back ground at printing |
| 15:49.54 | click | enouf: i have both of those installed |
| 15:50.24 | click | still doesn't give the compiletime option to enable/use xen or vserver |
| 15:50.27 | IRCMonkey | asg: I want to remove background to obtain a beautyfull printing |
| 15:50.31 | asg | IRCMonkey: or look for an OCR solution like tesseract-ocr |
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| 15:51.21 | kukucis | All you ewer want is here > http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139709442 |
| 15:51.21 | kukucis | All you ewer want is here > http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139709442 |
| 15:51.46 | click | enouf: my guess is it's an out-of-package patch that has been forgotten, or something like that |
| 15:51.47 | nan8 | petemc: hmm maybe i should report this as bug then ... reading ... |
| 15:52.42 | enouf | click: hahahaha http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 15:52.53 | IRCMonkey | asg: if.. if tesseract has solution, to separate the forground from the background before doing ocr, that would be a good solution. but though I installed tesseract partialy for this reason, I didn't succed to find things to separate forground from background |
| 15:53.44 | enouf | click: notice the depends as well :-p |
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| 15:54.27 | asg | IRCMonkey: OCR should just provide a near-textual representation of the scanned document. If you want to print the scanned document as is but without a gray background, then some gimp foo or a utility in the Imagemagick package is what you need. |
| 15:54.32 | click | enouf: still doesn't explain why it's not in the sourcetree... |
| 15:54.32 | stoned | enouf, chat |
| 15:55.01 | enouf | click: only that one is not! Download Source Package xen-3.0: [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.dsc] [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0.orig.tar.gz] * [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.diff.gz] |
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| 15:56.32 | enouf | click: i told you - it's all out-of-tree way back then, and the linux-image- doesn't rely on the xen pkgs, but the xen pkgs need to use the linux-image-xen-vserver image - for some yet to be known reason - heck, try it with a plain .18-6-686 image ;-) |
| 15:56.41 | stoned | whoah |
| 15:56.43 | stoned | .18 |
| 15:56.47 | stoned | why? |
| 15:56.51 | enouf | stoned: xen |
| 15:56.53 | enouf | dom0 |
| 15:56.57 | stoned | oh |
| 15:57.01 | stoned | oh zen |
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| 15:57.06 | stoned | xen* whatever |
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| 15:57.38 | stoned | I just caught the last part of your sentence |
| 15:57.38 | enouf | click: your last query - i leave to you to ask the -dev team :-P |
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| 15:57.47 | click | argh, i'll kill the -dev team :P |
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| 15:58.05 | enouf | click: they'll point you to the mailing list archives! :-P |
| 15:58.12 | stoned | whoah whoah whoah... calm down |
| 15:58.20 | stoned | killing is not required |
| 15:58.32 | click | ok, i'll get them drunk enough to get them fixing it :P |
| 15:58.43 | stoned | yeh, bring em bitches n booze |
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| 15:59.08 | stoned | no no don't do that, then nothing would get accomplished. |
| 15:59.17 | enouf | stoned: make me a video of what happens exactly to a live goldfish when you swallow it whole |
| 15:59.19 | stoned | I should try Xen, what does Xen do that vmware or virtualbox can't\ |
| 15:59.20 | stoned | \ |
| 15:59.48 | asg | stoned: live migration |
| 16:00.00 | stoned | what does that mean? |
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| 16:00.08 | stoned | from VM to physical hw? |
| 16:00.17 | asg | stoned: moving a running kernel from one physical system to another without downtime |
| 16:00.23 | stoned | oh |
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| 16:00.39 | asg | stoned: vmware can do it provided you have the $5k worth of licensing needed |
| 16:00.46 | stoned | I see |
| 16:01.15 | stoned | does xen work on windows? |
| 16:01.17 | click | this just annoys the shit out of me :P |
| 16:01.18 | click | no |
| 16:01.29 | click | it's kernel-side |
| 16:01.30 | asg | stoned: no but you can virtualize windows on xen |
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| 16:01.33 | stoned | say I want to dual simultaneious boot |
| 16:01.38 | stoned | asg, yeh fantastic |
| 16:02.03 | asg | stoned: you'll need a recent cpu with vt but most do these days so you should be okay |
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| 16:02.05 | stoned | and what about hw i/o virtualization |
| 16:02.20 | stoned | like maybe running directX 9 in Xen windows |
| 16:02.27 | click | see asg's response, need VT |
| 16:02.38 | click | rest is actually handled |
| 16:02.43 | stoned | yeh |
| 16:02.44 | click | (oddly enough) |
| 16:02.49 | stoned | no |
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| 16:02.51 | stoned | wrong |
| 16:02.54 | THE_GFR|WORK | does anyone know what software I need for monitoring APC Back-Ups ES 350 on Debian? |
| 16:03.05 | stoned | you need a cpu that supports i/o virtualization not just hw |
| 16:03.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey stoned |
| 16:03.24 | stoned | we're trying to get 3d support under xen ;) |
| 16:03.32 | stoned | jo THE_GFR|WORK |
| 16:03.36 | stoned | hi* |
| 16:03.43 | asg | THE_GFR|WORK: apcupsd most likely |
| 16:03.49 | enouf | click: $ rm -rd ./linux-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 16:03.53 | enouf | :-p |
| 16:04.15 | stoned | my only thing is |
| 16:04.23 | stoned | I love Visual Studio as an IDE |
| 16:04.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | asg: uh... |
| 16:04.28 | stoned | but I hate to use windows |
| 16:04.53 | click | enouf: yeah, i kind of found out that i'm most probably better off working with Lenny :P |
| 16:04.54 | stoned | I gotta find a way to make VS work on linux hopefully without a VM, but its probably not possible |
| 16:04.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | asg: not this? http://www.apcc.com/tools/download/software_comp.cfm?sw_sku=SFPCBE705&id=125&family=&part_num=&swfam=ALL&tsk= |
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| 16:05.18 | Mazingaro | abrotman: lol, fglrx won't support my ati radeon 9200 card :( |
| 16:05.33 | stoned | 9200? just use radeon |
| 16:05.35 | abrotman | lolololol you don't need it |
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| 16:05.52 | enouf | click: well, dutchfish will have more better info about all that - he uses .18 xen (and kvm?) on his production systems |
| 16:05.56 | asg | THE_GFR|WORK: if you wish |
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| 16:06.13 | enouf | click: and kvm for all the newer .26/.27+ stuff, IINM |
| 16:06.16 | click | enouf: yeah, the problem is that i need to recompile :P |
| 16:06.25 | teclo- | Hello, where should I put a startup script for a firewall ? In /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ probably ? |
| 16:06.30 | click | to get rid of that damned gfx-card bootbug |
| 16:06.33 | JyZyXEL | how do i see if USB2 is supported? |
| 16:06.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | asg: what's the best one? |
| 16:06.47 | stoned | post up |
| 16:06.49 | enouf | click: what? why?if all you needed was that stinkin FIRMWARE_EDID thing unticked - that's CAKE |
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| 16:06.56 | asg | THE_GFR|WORK: the best one is the one that works for you. Try them both; decide for yourself |
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| 16:07.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | asg: how do I install the .bin linux one? |
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| 16:07.24 | renata | hello |
| 16:07.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | wait... |
| 16:07.32 | abrotman | pre-up |
| 16:07.39 | enouf | teclo-: which one? |
| 16:07.41 | asg | THE_GFR|WORK: chmod +x /path/to/bin ; ./path/to/bin (follow prompts, hope it doesn't install crap in /usr) |
| 16:07.44 | valdyn | teclo-: both |
| 16:07.45 | click | enouf: from a non-xen enabled kernel source, sure... but xen need to be added into the tree ... |
| 16:07.51 | enouf | i've seen shorewall startup in rc2.d/ at 20 |
| 16:08.20 | renata | I have copied several fonts from my windows machine C:\windows\fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-renata/. Is this enough to be able to use the fonts? |
| 16:08.27 | enouf | click: wrong source then |
| 16:08.41 | valdyn | renata: probably, but its just wrong |
| 16:08.51 | renata | valdyn, what would be right? |
| 16:08.55 | valdyn | renata: that directory belongs to debian package(s) only |
| 16:08.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | asg: how do I use apcupsd? |
| 16:09.05 | enouf | click: i don't think at the time of .18 that a) xen allowed it, and b) the DFSG allowed it |
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| 16:09.41 | click | enouf: and then we're back to the circle, as .18 doesn't have xen in it, APART from in the binary kernel-image... |
| 16:09.41 | valdyn | renata: /usr/local/share/fonts or ~/.fonts/ |
| 16:09.46 | enouf | click: so why? |
| 16:09.55 | THE_GFR|WORK | brb |
| 16:10.13 | renata | valdyn, do i need ~/.fonts/truetype/ directory in there? |
| 16:10.25 | enouf | click: right - it's the kernel config that matters, or .. did you mean to reconfigure the Xen-image .config? |
| 16:10.25 | valdyn | renata: not, that is optional |
| 16:10.27 | click | enouf: chicken and egg-situation... i want xen, on a .18, and with the CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID turned off :) |
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| 16:10.33 | renata | ok thank you! |
| 16:10.57 | click | so i need to recompile the image to support XEN and not having CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID :P |
| 16:11.03 | enouf | click: Download Source Package xen-3.0: [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.dsc] [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0.orig.tar.gz] * [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.diff.gz] |
| 16:11.16 | enouf | build it, compile it, tweak it |
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| 16:12.58 | enouf | click: nothing about EDID in http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xen-3.0/xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.diff.gz .. so perhaps it takes most settings from the kernel config |
| 16:13.55 | renata | valdyn, I think debian should make a directory in for each user named ".fonts" by default and put there a README file describing briefly how to install new fonts there.. |
| 16:14.35 | renata | or maybe not debian, but Xorg or so.. :S |
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| 16:14.58 | valdyn | renata: xorg doing this would not be legal |
| 16:15.01 | click | enouf: testing - not sure why it's not insource when it's built from the same source as -6-xen-686 ... |
| 16:15.14 | renata | i see |
| 16:16.12 | valdyn | renata: no package can do this actually, packages cant touch home directories |
| 16:16.25 | renata | kk.. i get it |
| 16:16.26 | renata | :) |
| 16:16.33 | valdyn | renata: but they could provide /etc/skel/.fonts |
| 16:16.49 | renata | yes.. that :) |
| 16:17.11 | renata | it should be avoided however if the user has a server or something.. :) |
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| 16:18.17 | \amethyst | err |
| 16:18.43 | teclo- | enouf, valdyn: well I wrote a script that sets all the rules for iptables, should I put in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d or /etc/network/if-up.d ? |
| 16:18.51 | valdyn | renata: http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/FAQ?highlight=%28.fonts%29 |
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| 16:19.48 | valdyn | Q: There is no true-type font for Helvetica. How can I fix this? \ A: Replace Helvetica with sans-serif. |
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| 16:21.14 | warjest | teclo-: Do you want to reload your fw ruleset when the interface goes up/down? It probably should be independent |
| 16:22.51 | Firestarter- | Anyone have luck with a Sierra Wireless 881U |
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| 16:24.10 | kantor | hi |
| 16:24.11 | kantor | is there a file maybe in the /proc directory that contains my network cards, and IP addresses ? |
| 16:24.24 | renata | Thank you valdyn and bye! |
| 16:25.06 | enouf | click: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xen/branches/etch/xen-3.0/debian/xen-utils.README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 read it |
| 16:25.24 | click | on it |
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| 16:25.56 | enouf | teclo-: how about rc.local - and issue iptables-restore or something |
| 16:26.08 | teclo- | warjest: hhhm yes.... perhaps only in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d then ? |
| 16:26.23 | teclo- | enouf: ah there's rc.local in debian ? |
| 16:26.28 | click | enouf: woof, ok, requires handpatching then, goodie - at least i know why now |
| 16:27.26 | dareth | what are you trying to find out Kantor... |
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| 16:27.40 | dareth | which IP you are currently using, or to change IP permanently? |
| 16:27.57 | kantor | dareth, I'm asking because I'm writing a program with raw sockets , and I don't want to use pcap, and such libraries, API's to get the IP addresses |
| 16:28.44 | dareth | and you can't cut the info out of ifconfig output? |
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| 16:30.07 | enouf | click: i still can't find the needed patch/patches .. climb up that tree though i gaveyou into http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xen/ |
| 16:30.28 | enouf | teclo-: /etc/rc.local - which /etc/init.d/rc.local sources |
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| 16:30.34 | click | enouf: yubb, already on it |
| 16:30.49 | kantor | dareth, I can, but that is not a good idea, because if there is no ifconfig . . . . |
| 16:31.03 | kantor | that way my program depends on ifconfig |
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| 16:32.18 | JJdeSade | Does anyone here have empirical experience installing Debian on various RAID configurations and willing to engage in a dialogue about their results? Also I seek info on hardware RAID vs Software. |
| 16:32.34 | JJdeSade | I use only ASUS motherboards and Adaptec 31205s for NAS but lately Im thinking of bypassing the embedded controllers on the motherboard and using the Adaptec card for the OS. |
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| 16:32.51 | cvw | Is there a flag for apt-get, aptitude, something else, that will give me the status of necessary package updates. I don't want to update nor do I want to install, I just want to know what actions are necessary, such as the count of packages that need to be updated. |
| 16:32.59 | SlayerXP | JJdeSade: is it acceptable that when your OS stops, so does your RAID set? |
| 16:33.08 | enouf | click: maybe http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xen/trunk/xen-3/debian/patches/series?op=file&rev=0&sc=1 |
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| 16:33.29 | SlayerXP | most onbaord controllers are effectively software riad |
| 16:33.30 | JJdeSade | SlayerXP No! |
| 16:33.32 | SlayerXP | onboard |
| 16:33.48 | SlayerXP | JJdeSade: if not, you can't use software raid. |
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| 16:34.49 | hoxu | cvw, If I Recall Right "aptitude ~U" lists packages that can be upgraded |
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| 16:35.46 | cvw | hoxu: ~U isn't a valid flag, and -U takes me into aptitude's console gui |
| 16:35.57 | hoxu | cvw, sorry, "aptitude search ~U" |
| 16:36.26 | cvw | hoxu: that looks to be exactly what I need, ty |
| 16:36.43 | JJdeSade | SlayerXP, let me get a better idea of what you mean by "if the OS stops" I'm speaking of using a raid array just for the OS so in that case I guess if the OS stopped no harm. |
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| 16:37.06 | dutchfish | click, back |
| 16:37.06 | hoxu | !tell cvw about aptitude search term reference |
| 16:37.28 | dutchfish | click, did you manage to get it going? |
| 16:38.06 | micols | i need to recover a txt file on an ext3 fs , it hasnt been overwritten, just rm'ed, any ideas for software? |
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| 16:38.39 | asg | micols: debugfs |
| 16:38.41 | click | dutchfish: no, we're searching for the patch required for the kernel |
| 16:38.53 | micols | i tried one piece of software, photorec |
| 16:39.09 | enouf | SlayerXP: most are fakeraid, not softraid |
| 16:39.11 | hoxu | micols, grep from the device? :P |
| 16:39.22 | stoned | hey what is today sat. or friday? |
| 16:39.24 | micols | asg: actually it was overwritten with 0 byte file, i just wanted to get my message through :) |
| 16:39.26 | dutchfish | click, ok, first things first, what kernel are you building 2.6.18 ? |
| 16:39.28 | asg | stoned: friday |
| 16:39.35 | stoned | whoah my clcok is fucked up |
| 16:39.36 | click | dutchfish: 2.6.18, confirmed |
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| 16:39.49 | click | dutchfish: i'll clean my builddir here |
| 16:39.52 | micols | and idea for when it has been overwritten one time with 0 byte file? |
| 16:39.54 | click | (done) |
| 16:39.56 | format_c | stodan, depends on your timezone |
| 16:39.57 | stoned | how can my time possibly get fucked up, my kde clock tells me it is saturday (also off ty 4.x hours) |
| 16:40.04 | stoned | im not fucking stodan |
| 16:40.04 | micols | it was a vim save that failed. |
| 16:40.05 | dutchfish | click, did you check all dependecies like libc6-source ? |
| 16:40.08 | micols | and no recovery file. |
| 16:40.18 | dutchfish | click, the xen version |
| 16:40.27 | stoned | dude wtf |
| 16:40.35 | click | dutchfish: libc6-xen installed |
| 16:40.47 | dutchfish | click, soure also? |
| 16:40.49 | lostson | stoned: apt-get install ntp |
| 16:40.55 | dutchfish | click, s/soure/source |
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| 16:41.03 | stoned | it is friday 2nd jan 2009 11:40am, I see on my computer 3rd jan 2009, 6am ish |
| 16:41.09 | stoned | i thought I did have ntp |
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| 16:41.19 | stoned | i ntpdate - client for setting system time from NTP servers |
| 16:41.23 | click | dutchfish: not from source, no - slamming it in now |
| 16:41.35 | stoned | I have this installed, it works fine, even though they say its deprecated |
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| 16:41.46 | lostson | i dont use ntpdate just ntp |
| 16:41.53 | stoned | is there any reason to think that if i use ntp instad of ntpdate my time may not fuck upt? |
| 16:42.31 | click | dutchfish: ok, i've fetched the sourcearchives (and unpacked) for xen-3.0, the current deb kernel, and glibc6 |
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| 16:43.45 | dutchfish | click, did you check http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-xen/ for the source? |
| 16:43.52 | xingu_ | stoned: ntpdate doesn't set the kernel's pll |
| 16:44.42 | stoned | xingu, why should I worry bout the pll controller? |
| 16:44.52 | dutchfish | click, or you can get it form mercurial source: http://xenbits.xensource.com/ |
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| 16:45.21 | dutchfish | click, depending on you rneeds |
| 16:45.29 | enouf | dutchfish: where the F is the actual config for the xen kernel/hypervisor, or isn't there one? |
| 16:45.30 | xingu | stoned: phase locked loop; the question is, how long is a second? |
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| 16:45.51 | enouf | dutchfish: or, is there none, since it's out-of-tree and all we get is a /boot/xen.gz ? |
| 16:46.03 | dutchfish | enouf, should be in the deb, but otherwise i can hand him one from my own |
| 16:46.12 | enouf | dutchfish: which deb |
| 16:46.33 | enouf | dutchfish: i've looked in many debs/diffs/dscs/tar/gzs |
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| 16:47.00 | dutchfish | enouf, http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-11/msg00786.html |
| 16:47.08 | enouf | dusted: i cant find any patches at the alioth URL you passed out that i posted 10 minutes ago |
| 16:47.13 | click | dutchfish: alioth has no available packages, and there's no entries in kernel, since it's out-of-tree |
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| 16:47.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | does anyone know how to make tightvncserver output exactly what I see on my monitor to the vnc server ( clone ) not create a new desktop? |
| 16:47.48 | enouf | click: so then how on earth do you plan on altering the config if there is none! |
| 16:48.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | because with the server setup the way it is it just shows me a desktop with ONLY a terminal window |
| 16:48.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | I need the other programs |
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| 16:48.24 | \amethyst | enouf: the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package should include the .config |
| 16:48.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone? |
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| 16:48.46 | click | enouf: xen sources ! in kernel tree :P |
| 16:48.52 | \amethyst | enouf: at least linux-headers-2.6.26-1-xen-686 version 2.6.26-5 does here |
| 16:49.00 | enouf | \amethyst: for xen? or for the linux-image-version-xen-vserver whose source has NO xen, nor vserver config in it |
| 16:49.06 | dutchfish | click, enouf prolly like apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-x-xen-686 4 or 5 or 6 cant rem |
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| 16:49.14 | enouf | \amethyst: aye - .26 isn't an issue ;-) |
| 16:49.16 | click | dutchfish: no go |
| 16:49.26 | enouf | \amethyst: i confirmed all this myself ;-) |
| 16:49.26 | click | dutchfish: both me and enouf searched our asses for it |
| 16:49.42 | click | dutchfish: there is NO references or code for xen in .18-6 :P |
| 16:49.49 | click | (in source) |
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| 16:49.51 | dutchfish | click, i can hand you the orignal debian one from etch latestm i fyou want? |
| 16:50.03 | \amethyst | enouf: oh... what about linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 ? |
| 16:50.06 | dutchfish | click, hold on |
| 16:50.08 | enouf | \amethyst: i d/l the source and went through the config motions for both .26-xen-686 and .18-xen-vserver-686 .. totally different |
| 16:50.21 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes |
| 16:50.29 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm, didn't see it referenced or a depends in any thing |
| 16:50.40 | dutchfish | enouf, of coarse not |
| 16:50.46 | enouf | ... |
| 16:51.01 | THE_GFR|WORK | ... |
| 16:51.11 | enouf | dutchfish: s/of coarse/ofcourse ;-) but that's not why i did -> ... |
| 16:51.19 | dutchfish | enouf, yes ;) |
| 16:51.35 | dutchfish | enouf, click hold on |
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| 16:52.04 | click | dutchfish: i'm in no hurry, i just want to figure out where the xen-stuff went in .18 debsources :) |
| 16:52.21 | click | because it's not there (ie. out-of-tree) |
| 16:52.22 | enouf | dutchfish: not even referenced in http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 nor http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 16:52.37 | dutchfish | enouf, i send you my own |
| 16:52.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey does anyone know how to make the vnc server display the main desktop and not create a new one that only has a "terminal" on it? |
| 16:52.47 | dutchfish | (pastebin) |
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| 16:52.54 | enouf | dutchfish: take your time .. slow down - we're just frustrated ;-) |
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| 16:53.10 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 16:53.12 | click | i'm just scratching my head :) |
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| 16:53.25 | click | ok, lets start from scratch: |
| 16:53.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i think i'm ready to say that 2.6.28 works on my box. 22:25 uptime, seeding some isos so there's plenty of disk and network I/O, and i've been writing to this fuse filesystem for quite a while and no kernel traces yet. |
| 16:54.05 | \amethyst | enouf: there seem to be a number of xen patches in the linux-2.6 source package .diff.gz |
| 16:54.14 | enouf | \amethyst: welp, that pkg does have some xen patches linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 |
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| 16:54.41 | enouf | \amethyst: specifically - he needs to alter the config of the xen kernel part |
| 16:54.44 | \amethyst | enouf: the linux-patch-debian is generated from the same source package, so the patches are there in the linux-2.6 source package |
| 16:54.54 | dutchfish | enouf, how can i paste raw in pastebin? |
| 16:55.02 | enouf | \amethyst: i've built it - there's no xen, nor vserver options |
| 16:55.07 | click | dutchfish: just select raw from dropbox |
| 16:55.16 | enouf | \amethyst: well .. nm |
| 16:55.35 | enouf | dutchfish: i don't need any paste - thank you |
| 16:55.36 | click | dutchfish: actually, it is raw from the beginning |
| 16:55.49 | enouf | dutchfish: just paste it - or upload it directly |
| 16:55.56 | dutchfish | ok |
| 16:55.57 | enouf | !pastebinit |
| 16:55.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 16:56.02 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 16:56.02 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 16:56.02 | click | <-- the one that fiddles with the xen-stuff |
| 16:56.32 | \amethyst | enouf: that's debian/arch/_xen/config I believe |
| 16:56.36 | \amethyst | enouf: the the source package |
| 16:57.00 | click | \amethyst: on .18-6 ? |
| 16:57.05 | enouf | SerajewelKS: excellent news .. now to find out what's wrong with .25 and .26 since you never tried .27? |
| 16:57.30 | enouf | \amethyst: in the linux-2.6 source pkg? |
| 16:57.35 | enouf | or .. |
| 16:57.56 | dutchfish | click, there you go (32 pae) http://debian.pastebin.com/m349cf5c1 |
| 16:58.15 | \amethyst | click: I'm looking in the diff at http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/linux-2.6 |
| 16:58.21 | enouf | dutchfish: have you read about how pae can cause issues with a segmented glibc? |
| 16:58.40 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not quite sure i have the necessary expertise to do that |
| 16:58.47 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, but they should have been solved in xen latest 2.6.18-6 |
| 16:58.53 | \amethyst | click: oh, .18-6? is that out yet? |
| 16:59.13 | click | linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 16:59.17 | click | ... |
| 16:59.19 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes, if we talking baout etch its is |
| 16:59.26 | SerajewelKS | enouf: usually when buggy software starts working for me i assume they figured out where the bug was and fixed it :) |
| 16:59.35 | click | apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 -> grabs source |
| 16:59.52 | click | extracts, unpacks and patches |
| 17:00.20 | \amethyst | keep in mind this very same source builds all the kernel versions |
| 17:00.23 | click | xen-stuff is nowhere in the source... |
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| 17:00.44 | click | yes, but still, where is the xen-options :P |
| 17:00.57 | click | dpkg-source: extracting linux-2.6 in linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1 |
| 17:00.57 | click | dpkg-source: unpacking linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:00.57 | click | dpkg-source: applying ./linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz |
| 17:01.00 | click | entering dir |
| 17:01.12 | dutchfish | click, XEN is a dpkg-make command line option |
| 17:01.38 | click | wohey? o.O |
| 17:01.46 | dutchfish | click, it is all in the first link i gave you 1.5 hours ago |
| 17:02.00 | enouf | dutchfish: bah - not PAE related perhaps http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-xen/branches/etch/xen-3.0/debian/xen-utils.README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=1 |
| 17:02.11 | \amethyst | click: hm, I must have been misreading the patch. it seems to be debian/config/featureset-xen/config for the Xen part of the config |
| 17:02.23 | \amethyst | click: or debian/config/featureset-xen-vserver |
| 17:02.30 | click | *does a lastlog* |
| 17:02.34 | dutchfish | \amethyst, that is a bit ... ahum ... old cruft |
| 17:02.38 | \amethyst | oh |
| 17:02.42 | \amethyst | ignore me then |
| 17:02.48 | enouf | no! |
| 17:02.50 | enouf | ;-) |
| 17:03.05 | \amethyst | dutchfish: so the debian/config/ directory isn't used anymore? |
| 17:03.05 | enouf | dammit .. i want answers! :-P |
| 17:03.26 | click | dutchfish: dpkg-source: extracting linux-2.6 in linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1 |
| 17:03.26 | click | dpkg-source: unpacking linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:03.26 | click | dpkg-source: applying ./linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz |
| 17:03.30 | \amethyst | oh |
| 17:03.33 | click | damned cut'n'paste crap |
| 17:03.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i know i know .. but c'mon .. you're not even curious? |
| 17:03.42 | \amethyst | I'm looking at the sid version now, that's my problem |
| 17:03.44 | dutchfish | \amethyst, if you have you patches and xen source in the right place in your tree then XEN option will do the magic |
| 17:03.53 | click | http://packages.debianbase.de/sources/xen3/hooks/etch/i386/ |
| 17:03.57 | click | that one? |
| 17:04.02 | \amethyst | dutchfish: yes, but it sounded like they wanted to change one of the Xen config options |
| 17:04.26 | dutchfish | \amethyst, he can do that on the file i just send in the pstebin |
| 17:04.27 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i mean really - how are you to learn ... you can see how/where you were going down the wrong path, realize which clues you (and i) ignored, etc .. find out the guts of the matter ;-0 |
| 17:05.01 | enouf | \amethyst: stop looking at the sid version ;-) |
| 17:05.06 | dutchfish | \amethyst, but let first make a buildable setup |
| 17:05.45 | \amethyst | dutchfish: oh, and I guess it doesn't get overwritten by the build process because of timestamps? |
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| 17:05.52 | dutchfish | \amethyst, too bad i have just send my sarge images to tape |
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| 17:06.09 | EugenMayer | how to install the header files for the linux-image i use, to be able to compile a kernel module? |
| 17:06.14 | enouf | dutchfish: the point is; a) where did you get this file contents from http://debian.pastebin.com/m349cf5c1 and b) why do YOU ONLY have it ;-) |
| 17:06.22 | enouf | dutchfish: are you special? :-P |
| 17:06.38 | asg | EugenMayer: install module-assistant ; run m-a prepare (all the bits you need will be installed. voila) |
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| 17:06.48 | dutchfish | enouf, no, i am not special, thats first, but let me think .... |
| 17:06.55 | enouf | asg: bingo |
| 17:07.07 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm JOKING! :-P |
| 17:07.14 | dutchfish | enouf, ok :) |
| 17:07.18 | enouf | dang .. :-) |
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| 17:08.05 | click | dutchfish: to clear this up : i have a matrox-card that i need to remove CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID from, and I also use XEN on the same machine - to recompile the kernel and retain the XEN ability i also need the XEN-stuff in the kernel - and the XEN-stuff is nowhere in the base debian kernelsource package |
| 17:08.16 | click | s/from/for |
| 17:08.19 | EugenMayer | asg how cool is that thingy. Thank you |
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| 17:08.56 | heartbeats037 | part debian |
| 17:09.18 | heartbeats037 | part [#debian] |
| 17:09.24 | click | dutchfish: that is why we're scratching our heads, as in : how the heck is the debian linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 package built, when there's no trace of it anywhere |
| 17:09.28 | dutchfish | enouf, click oh i remember, got it initially from a normal debian xen install |
| 17:09.45 | click | heartbeats037: prepend with a / ---> /part #debian |
| 17:09.52 | click | or /leave |
| 17:09.58 | heartbeats037 | thanx :) |
| 17:10.05 | dutchfish | click, it must be there .... |
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| 17:10.12 | click | dutchfish: grab the sources |
| 17:10.17 | click | dutchfish: it's not in it |
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| 17:10.29 | dutchfish | click, i have no sarge box at hand atm |
| 17:10.33 | click | etch |
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| 17:10.41 | click | can still grab the source |
| 17:10.42 | dutchfish | click, sorry, crrection Etch |
| 17:10.56 | fabrizio | buon anno a tutti |
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| 17:11.35 | click | dutchfish: http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-686 |
| 17:11.44 | click | refering to : |
| 17:11.45 | click | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc |
| 17:11.51 | click | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:11.57 | click | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz |
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| 17:12.07 | enouf | dutchfish: we all grabbed the 3 Source files and ran through the config and make 1) linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz 2) linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc 3) linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
| 17:12.10 | click | and that is the base kerle-source |
| 17:12.17 | click | *kernel-source |
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| 17:12.36 | click | there's no support for XEN in that source |
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| 17:12.53 | click | a out-of-tree patch must exist, but -where-.... |
| 17:12.57 | enouf | dutchfish: any relevance ? [10:50:40] <enouf> click: hahahaha http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:13.18 | tuxick | lo, ran into wrong doc about spamass-milter + postfix, and missing instructions/config for postfix with milter-greylist |
| 17:13.39 | click | and yeah, the xen-vserver-patch has the same thing, refers to CLEAN debian kernelsource |
| 17:13.47 | click | same as for xen |
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| 17:14.08 | click | that is the issue |
| 17:14.22 | dustybin | http://www.zorg.org/linux/alancox.php |
| 17:14.31 | click | if i can find the xen-patch, i'm all ok, but there's no references to it anywhere |
| 17:15.01 | tuxick | since it means reporting 2 issues/fixes i wonder if /var/spool/postfix/milter would be a proper path |
| 17:15.11 | click | and i'm also confused as to why it doesn't exist as a patchset, when there actually exists a kernel BUILT with XEN enabled :P |
| 17:15.12 | tuxick | it'd be nice if at least these 2 agree |
| 17:15.41 | EugenMayer | any easy to use bittorrent clients i can use to download an debian-vm-image? |
| 17:15.41 | \amethyst | click: the .orig.gz probably already has the patches applied |
| 17:15.53 | enouf | dutchfish: sources are the same for that one - BUT that last one has this as a Depends; http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-i386-pae |
| 17:16.07 | meyou | EugenMayer: for linux? windows? osx? |
| 17:16.13 | click | \amethyst: *sighs* there ARE no XEN-addons in the sources :P |
| 17:16.13 | enouf | and THOSE sources are Download Source Package xen-3.0: [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.dsc] [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0.orig.tar.gz] * [xen-3.0_3.0.3-0-4.diff.gz] |
| 17:16.24 | EugenMayer | meyou: debian, console |
| 17:16.44 | click | enouf: those are however the UTILS for xen, not the kernel patches :P |
| 17:16.46 | meyou | ctorrent is good |
| 17:16.50 | enouf | but i looked in those files - nothing i see is relevant , so far |
| 17:16.55 | \amethyst | click: oh, hm... let me pull down the etch version |
| 17:17.08 | enouf | click: the hypervisor is not a util |
| 17:17.16 | EugenMayer | meyou: thank you. |
| 17:17.19 | meyou | np |
| 17:17.29 | click | enouf: well, not the hypervisor, but it still doesn't have any patches ... :P |
| 17:17.46 | enouf | click: the hypervisor allows you to obtain a dom0 using xen |
| 17:17.56 | enouf | click: but it might have a config |
| 17:17.59 | EugenMayer | meyou: is it in the repo? |
| 17:18.12 | enouf | you don't need any stinkin patches |
| 17:18.17 | enouf | you want the CONFIG! |
| 17:18.27 | EugenMayer | meyou: cant find it there |
| 17:18.29 | enouf | the sources are PATCHED already |
| 17:18.53 | \amethyst | click: debian/patches/features/all/xen/ ? |
| 17:19.28 | \amethyst | click: the biggest one being the 2.6 MB fedora patch |
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| 17:20.43 | click | \amethyst: those are already applied, right? |
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| 17:21.14 | dutchfish | click, no |
| 17:21.17 | \amethyst | click: Hm... it appears not when you first unpack |
| 17:21.24 | \amethyst | presumably they're used during the build process |
| 17:21.32 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes |
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| 17:22.05 | \amethyst | dutchfish: so the only non-upstream patches in the orig.tar.gz are DFSG ones? |
| 17:22.10 | click | dutchfish: so, what is then the make-kpkg parameter to enable XEN, and allow me to adjust its functionality ? |
| 17:22.11 | dutchfish | \amethyst, at the top of my head they need to bee 1 dir higher where your kernel resides |
| 17:22.31 | dutchfish | \amethyst, /usr/src |
| 17:22.43 | dutchfish | click, yup |
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| 17:23.14 | click | dutchfish: which parameter is used to enable XEN during build? |
| 17:23.14 | dutchfish | click, something like, that, i am talking from memory, cant find the howto anymore |
| 17:23.42 | dutchfish | click, that the right q |
| 17:23.53 | \amethyst | click: in the kernel source package, you should be able to do something like ./debian/rules binary-arch-i386-xen |
| 17:24.20 | click | ok, is that after modifying the kernel config? |
| 17:24.26 | \amethyst | click: err, the source package that is, not the linux-source binary package |
| 17:24.28 | dutchfish | \amethyst, nope, but the rule file should hint you |
| 17:24.28 | click | (ie through make menuconfig etc) |
| 17:24.47 | \amethyst | oh right |
| 17:25.02 | \amethyst | you have to generate the debian/control and stuff first |
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| 17:25.12 | earthian | Hello |
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| 17:25.42 | enouf | \amethyst: and dutchfish fwiw, i found that using "apt-get source ... " applies the .dsc info (the .diff.gz) directly to the .tar.gz when you use it - however, like me, i had to d/l the source manually, b/c i'm on lenny/sid - then used dpkg-source -x linux...xxx.dsc once in the /src/ dir, PRIOR to unpacking the .tar.gz |
| 17:25.52 | pthreat | hi |
| 17:25.53 | pthreat | :p |
| 17:26.07 | earthian | I have put a key on my wireless router that is a custom debian box with atheros wifi NIC. Problem is that clients cant connect. Any idea what could be wrong? Looks like key problem tho.... |
| 17:26.19 | dutchfish | enouf, yes |
| 17:26.25 | pthreat | will the net install run in my CPU with 92MB of RAM ? |
| 17:26.30 | dutchfish | enouf, that was it |
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| 17:27.13 | earthian | when the key is off client can connect and receive IPs from dhcp and everything is lovely! |
| 17:27.14 | enouf | dutchfish: \amethyst so, when using .26 sources and using "apt-get source ..." there's the whole step of dpkg-source that's done automatically for me |
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| 17:27.38 | \amethyst | Is there a reason it doesn't work to: get the linux-source-2.6.18 package, use the .config from the linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-686 package, and make-kpkg on that ? |
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| 17:28.25 | enouf | \amethyst: well, what i did, i took a standard Debian 2.6.16-3-686 .config, copied it over into /src/ and ran make oldconfig |
| 17:28.26 | \amethyst | ohh |
| 17:29.00 | enouf | i got MANY options/New stuffs .. nothing xen, nor vserver related - and i even then did make menuconfig - nada, zippo |
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| 17:29.25 | click | that is exactly the problem i have :P |
| 17:29.39 | \amethyst | enouf: I don't think make menuconfig asks you about architecture stuff, does it? |
| 17:29.48 | enouf | \amethyst: i even searched using \, then xen {hyper, virtual} , then Enter |
| 17:29.50 | dutchfish | \amethyst, bingo |
| 17:29.52 | enouf | er / |
| 17:30.05 | enouf | \amethyst: try it with .26 - works fine@ |
| 17:30.06 | enouf | ! |
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| 17:30.09 | dutchfish | xen = a architecture |
| 17:30.10 | \amethyst | so why not start from a Xen .config instead of a 2.6.16 .config ? |
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| 17:30.22 | \amethyst | err instead of a 2.6.16 -386 config |
| 17:30.22 | enouf | xen == an arch? |
| 17:30.26 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 17:30.46 | dutchfish | enouf, not really but it is threated as such along the other |
| 17:30.54 | enouf | \amethyst: click: started with a xen config from a .18-xen and tried it onthe -xen-vserver-686 |
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| 17:31.33 | \amethyst | if you want xen-vserver, start with the config from .18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:31.47 | dutchfish | enouf, \amethyst click if nothing works out i will reload my tapes and that should clear it out |
| 17:31.50 | enouf | \amethyst: a 686 config - and i even waddled about inside an altered it to CPU Type PentiumII/III and all the other fucken options |
| 17:31.54 | dustybin | does debian provide a webmin package? |
| 17:32.02 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 17:32.02 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:32.02 | click | \amethyst: i've tried both with xen-686, xen-vserver-686 configs ++ |
| 17:32.04 | enouf | \amethyst: there is none |
| 17:32.15 | enouf | \amethyst: there is none for ANY Debian kernel sources |
| 17:32.19 | \amethyst | enouf: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:32.25 | \amethyst | enouf: that contains a .config file |
| 17:32.32 | enouf | \amethyst: you dopn;t need ,nor install headers! |
| 17:32.34 | dutchfish | \amethyst, bingo again |
| 17:32.37 | enouf | that's incomplete \amethyst |
| 17:32.52 | \amethyst | enouf: you use the .config from that with the source from linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 17:32.54 | enouf | the source compiles it's own headers |
| 17:32.58 | click | \amethyst: check the source it refers to |
| 17:32.59 | enouf | no |
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| 17:33.06 | enouf | you do NOT need -headers! |
| 17:33.14 | click | linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz |
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| 17:33.19 | click | linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc |
| 17:33.22 | click | linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz |
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| 17:33.40 | dutchfish | now i am confused ... |
| 17:33.41 | enouf | sorry .. about my tone guys .. really |
| 17:33.42 | click | that is the same for any of the *-xen-* images |
| 17:33.47 | enouf | i'm just frustrated |
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| 17:34.10 | enouf | i'm at the point where i say SHOW ME THE MONEY SHOT! :-) |
| 17:34.13 | enouf | :D |
| 17:34.19 | dutchfish | enouf, are there any xen-docs as debia guidelines? |
| 17:34.27 | enouf | !comfort click |
| 17:34.27 | dutchfish | s/debia/debian |
| 17:34.27 | dpkg | There, there, click. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:34.43 | click | !comfort enouf |
| 17:34.43 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 17:34.55 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm pretty much done with this - i asked in -kernel - waiting for a reply |
| 17:35.11 | dutchfish | enouf, we should ask bastian blank |
| 17:35.14 | click | but ok, seriously - the package doesn't hold the XEN patches, whatsoever |
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| 17:35.17 | earthian | There, there, enouf'n'click. It's OK. I'm here for you all :P |
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| 17:35.22 | Firestarter- | In etch is it possible to install g++ and libc6-dev it won't let me with apt-get |
| 17:35.30 | enouf | dutchfish: he;ll answer if a) he can, and b) he feels like it ;-) |
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| 17:35.32 | clamiax | hi |
| 17:35.37 | \amethyst | click: which package doesn't contain the Xen patches? |
| 17:35.46 | dutchfish | enouf, he will, but it wont be now ... |
| 17:35.48 | enouf | dutchfish: [09:30:25] <enouf> hi guys - if i d/l the source (apt-get source ..) to 2.6.18-xen-vserver-686, would i need to also apply patches to be able to see all available options in make oldconfig and subsequent make menuconfig? |
| 17:35.59 | enouf | <enouf> ok guys., i manually d/l all the needed source pkgs from http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 - then ran dpkg-source -x on the .dsc , then unpacked the .tar.gz , then ran make oldconfig (used a debian .16-686 config to start), saw nothing about Xen, nor Vserver - even make menuconfig after that - nada .. what am i missing? |
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| 17:36.15 | enouf | [10:43:29] <enouf> i presume, b/c all that stuff is out-of-tree ? |
| 17:36.15 | enouf | [10:43:42] <enouf> are there external patchsets or pkgs needed? |
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| 17:36.22 | EugenMayer | i have a vmx / vmdk file downloaded, installed vmserver on debian ( all console ) how do i add the vm now? |
| 17:36.26 | enouf | [10:51:20] <enouf> well .. i guess this should answer some of my questions? http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:36.33 | \amethyst | enouf: the patch is in debian/patches/features/all/xen/fedora-2.6.18-36186.patch |
| 17:36.34 | enouf | but sigh .. it doesn't |
| 17:36.34 | dutchfish | enouf, the vserver is even more hairy |
| 17:36.47 | click | \amethyst: any ... apt-get source 2.6.18-xen* just gives the base source |
| 17:36.49 | enouf | \amethyst: in the linux-2.6 pkg? |
| 17:36.57 | \amethyst | enouf: yes, in the source package |
| 17:36.58 | enouf | er source? |
| 17:37.05 | \amethyst | enouf: look at debian/patches/features/all/xen/fedora-2.6.18-36186.patch |
| 17:37.07 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:37.08 | \amethyst | oops |
| 17:37.11 | enouf | \amethyst: ok .. so - why isn't that a depends? |
| 17:37.12 | \amethyst | click: look at debian/patches/features/all/xen/fedora-2.6.18-36186.patch |
| 17:37.18 | \amethyst | enouf: a depends of what? |
| 17:37.44 | enouf | \amethyst: linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:37.45 | \amethyst | enouf: it's *part of* the source package |
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| 17:37.53 | enouf | \amethyst: linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 <-- the SOURCE |
| 17:37.53 | \amethyst | enouf: because you don't need the patch to run the kernel |
| 17:37.56 | click | \amethyst: well, explain why it's not patched IN! |
| 17:38.04 | \amethyst | enouf: linux-image-* is *NOT* the source |
| 17:38.05 | enouf | \amethyst: it's not a xen kernel then@ |
| 17:38.18 | enouf | \amethyst: sorry - i didn't mean the -image- pkg |
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| 17:38.25 | enouf | but still |
| 17:38.36 | \amethyst | enouf: the linux-source-2.6.18-6 should have that patch already applied |
| 17:39.07 | click | \amethyst: if i ask for the source for linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 i would really want that, or a method to have it patched in, it's never added |
| 17:39.27 | enouf | \amethyst: linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 <-- is a packaged kernel, no? |
| 17:39.40 | enouf | \amethyst: how is it different than linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 ? |
| 17:39.41 | \amethyst | click: if you get that source and build as a debian source package it you will get a lot of packages |
| 17:39.53 | \amethyst | enouf: it was compiled with different config options |
| 17:40.01 | enouf | \amethyst: from where? |
| 17:40.05 | enouf | which source? |
| 17:40.36 | dutchfish | enouf, \amethyst what really is goingon behind the compile sceme is the make world (if i am correct) wich prepares for compiling: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2008-01/msg00699.html |
| 17:40.51 | \amethyst | enouf: from the linux-2.6 source package. The configs used to build it are under debian/ |
| 17:40.53 | enouf | \amethyst: linux-2.6 is NOT a dependent pkg to make/build/source compile the linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 pkg |
| 17:40.57 | dutchfish | enouf, but i still cant find the docs |
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| 17:41.11 | \amethyst | enouf: err, linux-2.6 is the source package for linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 isn't it? |
| 17:41.18 | enouf | \amethyst: if we were talking about .26 the yes! |
| 17:41.22 | click | enouf: they both pick up the same package |
| 17:41.25 | enouf | \amethyst: no |
| 17:41.29 | click | enouf: err, archives |
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| 17:41.32 | \amethyst | enouf: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:41.40 | enouf | yes .. look |
| 17:41.40 | \amethyst | enouf: it says "download source package linux-2.6" |
| 17:41.53 | simon__ | anyone know where do get a deb package for the mp3 encoder "lame" for lenny? |
| 17:42.03 | enouf | oh fuck .. there's 4 |
| 17:42.05 | enouf | Download Source Package linux-2.6: [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc] [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz] * [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz] |
| 17:42.29 | \amethyst | enouf: right, those are the three parts of a source package |
| 17:42.37 | enouf | it doesn't appear as a relevant link .. even though it's highlighted as one - my browser deosn't suck that much |
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| 17:42.50 | \amethyst | that is exactly the same source package that linux-2.6.18-6-686 is built from |
| 17:43.09 | click | \amethyst: well, how the hoot is xen enabled in that source? ... |
| 17:43.11 | \amethyst | the differences between the -xen and -xen-686 kernels come from the configs in debian/arch/ |
| 17:43.36 | enouf | \amethyst: are you telling me, that because i failed to d/l http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/linux-2.6 and place it in the /src/ dir that this is why? |
| 17:43.57 | click | \amethyst: is that from make-kpkg only, as i REALLY want to see the xen-options in make menuconfig :P |
| 17:44.03 | enouf | why there were NO xen, NOR any vserver config options? |
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| 17:44.19 | dutchfish | enouf, \amethyst click http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=stable&package=linux-2.6 |
| 17:44.20 | click | (and vserver for that sake) |
| 17:44.32 | enouf | click: IIRC,. i DID mention much much earlier to d/l that pkg .. UGH! |
| 17:44.37 | \amethyst | because you don't just make menuconfig; make-kpkg on the source package |
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| 17:44.49 | enouf | you make oldconfig! |
| 17:44.50 | \amethyst | the source package is intended for *automatically* building *all* the kernel packages |
| 17:45.02 | enouf | that's buildd stuffs |
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| 17:45.05 | \amethyst | I can't tell what you want |
| 17:45.10 | enouf | and linux-kbuild-* dependent |
| 17:45.21 | \amethyst | do you just want to build your own -xen kernel with some options changed? |
| 17:45.23 | dutchfish | what means half broken relationships? |
| 17:45.25 | enouf | dammit! |
| 17:45.33 | \amethyst | or do you want to build it exactly the way the debian maintainers build it? |
| 17:45.35 | dominicd | so is this where i check about the droid debain :P |
| 17:46.01 | click | enouf: i already HAVE linux-2.6, they are the exact same packages as for -xen-vserver-686 |
| 17:46.28 | click | (archives) |
| 17:46.34 | \amethyst | if you are building from the Debian source package, you'll probably have to edit the configs by hand |
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| 17:46.51 | bela | Hi, I want to install a source package which requires kernel, I put the source in /usr/src but the pacakge searches the siles in /lib/module ... |
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| 17:47.02 | enouf | hahahaha @ [09:50:13] <enouf> click: Download Source Package linux-2.6: [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.dsc] [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz] * [linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-23etch1.diff.gz] |
| 17:47.16 | click | enouf: exactly, they are ALL the same |
| 17:47.21 | \amethyst | bela: do apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:47.22 | enouf | click: i know .. sigh |
| 17:47.30 | enouf | click: i give up - you win ;-) |
| 17:47.39 | click | enouf: so we're right that something is fishy - one can't rebrand the source |
| 17:47.52 | \amethyst | bela: assuming you're using a Debian kernel, that will get the relevant parts of the source---and /lib/modules/2.6.blah/build will link to it |
| 17:48.34 | click | \amethyst: i want xen, and need to change one parameter in the buildoptions : CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID=n :P |
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| 17:48.42 | \amethyst | click: the easiest way then, IMO |
| 17:49.02 | \amethyst | click: forget the source package entirely |
| 17:49.02 | \amethyst | click: get linux-source-2.6.18 and unpack |
| 17:49.02 | dutchfish | click, enouf i am sure this was not the case with 2.6.18-4-xen, because it did that back then myself, must have been later |
| 17:49.07 | Clash | 3r3 |
| 17:49.11 | Clash | que es lo que pasa aca¿? |
| 17:49.14 | Clash | hi! |
| 17:49.19 | \amethyst | click: (unpack the .tar.bz2 that is) It already has all the Debian patches |
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| 17:49.47 | click | \amethyst: ok, so using proper deb-methods to build a modified kernel with XEN is at the time being -broken- ... |
| 17:49.59 | \amethyst | click: then get the linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 package and copy /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686/.config there |
| 17:50.03 | \amethyst | click: it's not that it's broken |
| 17:50.12 | click | not broken? it's buggy... |
| 17:50.18 | \amethyst | click: it's that building kernel packages from debian-source is complicated |
| 17:50.27 | dutchfish | yes |
| 17:50.35 | click | it's bugged. |
| 17:50.35 | \amethyst | click: and it's intended to be automated---no humans running make menuconfig |
| 17:50.48 | \amethyst | click: because, remember, it has to build dozens of different kernel images |
| 17:51.02 | click | yeah, but hell, i want to modify and rebuild ONE single flag, with xen :P |
| 17:51.04 | \amethyst | click: so building the source package requires dozens of different configs |
| 17:51.26 | \amethyst | click: it's possible, but you have to edit the config by hand |
| 17:51.38 | \amethyst | click: debian/arch/_xen/config |
| 17:51.48 | bela | \amethyst i ll try it thanks |
| 17:51.55 | enouf | \amethyst: nobody should ever need anything from a -headers- pkg if they're compiling from source |
| 17:52.10 | dutchfish | \amethyst, click this will be all easier because Xen wil be more integrated in newer kernel, so no mor epaching is needed |
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| 17:52.36 | \amethyst | enouf: you don't need the .config from the headers package, but that's the simplest way to make sure your config doesn't differ from the standard one |
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| 17:52.43 | \amethyst | enouf: other than how you want it |
| 17:53.05 | \amethyst | enouf: you can probably paste together the config from the source package, but it's in a number of pieces |
| 17:53.06 | enouf | \amethyst: you can use any closely relevant config to start - hence; make oldconfig |
| 17:53.19 | \amethyst | enouf: but it has to be for the right architecture |
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| 17:53.27 | \amethyst | enouf: so you need a xen .conf to do make oldconfig on |
| 17:53.28 | enouf | otherwsie the upstream kernel devs SUCK ASS |
| 17:53.37 | enouf | if they can't make the scripts work right |
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| 17:54.03 | \amethyst | enouf: maybe you can take the old config, add the XEN arch options by hand, then do make oldconfig |
| 17:54.23 | enouf | \amethyst: there's nothing anywhere ive seen that mentions XEN as it's own arch and one NEEDING to pull in XEN ARCH specific things |
| 17:54.39 | dutchfish | One must use Mercurial to fetch the xen-ified kernel from Xensource |
| 17:54.39 | dutchfish | Mercurial repository, but it seems that the current Mercurial version |
| 17:54.39 | dutchfish | shipped with Debian/Ubuntu is outdated and cannot be used out-of-the-box to download the xenified kernel source tree automatically during make world |
| 17:54.51 | \amethyst | enouf: maybe I'm wrong, but you said yourself there was no menuconfig option for XEN |
| 17:55.02 | click | \amethyst: nada |
| 17:55.06 | \amethyst | enouf: that's not because linux-source-2.6.18 doesn't have xen support patched in, because it does |
| 17:55.07 | enouf | dutchfish: i bet waldi just said fuck this, it's screwed and gave up on it a long time ago |
| 17:55.26 | enouf | \amethyst: nor vserver ,correct |
| 17:55.28 | click | ok, cleaning builddirs |
| 17:55.44 | click | lets see what we can get from a base linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 17:55.45 | dutchfish | enouf, mm.. i dont think so, he jst made a workaround wich we cant find out to automate it |
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| 17:56.13 | enouf | click: linux-source-xxxx might be the key though - happy compiling ;-) |
| 17:56.33 | click | *lesigh* |
| 17:56.34 | enouf | dutchfish: i really want to give up - i'll get too mad if i ever learn the truth :-) |
| 17:56.53 | click | here we are, trying to use the proper methods, and all we find out is that it's not possible : |
| 17:56.56 | click | :P |
| 17:56.59 | EugenMayer | anybody has vmserver running on debian? everytime i start a virtualmachine i get a "Error: Command failed: A file was not found" |
| 17:57.06 | dutchfish | enouf, lets rest for now and wait what waldi has to say |
| 17:57.15 | enouf | dutchfish: i've got years and olympic sized swimming pools of blame to pass around :-P |
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| 17:57.28 | enouf | dutchfish: sure - good choice |
| 17:57.51 | click | grmph, i'll reenable my local repo |
| 17:58.11 | dutchfish | click, sorry mate i have no build image for Etch at hand atm |
| 17:58.15 | enouf | \amethyst: thank you for all your help and support |
| 17:58.24 | enouf | dutchfish: thank you very much too |
| 17:58.40 | dutchfish | yes, thank all |
| 17:58.40 | click | dutchfish: no worries, i'll see if i can cook one out of the default source |
| 17:58.42 | enouf | click: go jump off a cliff or something - you caused all this |
| 17:58.50 | enouf | :-p |
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| 17:59.10 | click | nah, it was an interesting discussion, and hey, we even found out something was fishy |
| 17:59.13 | enouf | !fat lady sing |
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| 18:00.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | could anyone help me install PowerChute software for UPS monitoring on debian? all I get is a .bin file that is a java file but I don't know how to work with it |
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| 18:01.01 | click | hands a bottle of jack daniels to enouf |
| 18:01.33 | \amethyst | click: btw, have you tried #debian-kernel on oftc.net ? |
| 18:01.53 | enouf | click: heh, i actually just poured myself a nice scotch ;-) |
| 18:02.06 | \amethyst | click: there are people there who know a lot more about this than I do... I'm figuring it out as we go |
| 18:02.23 | enouf | \amethyst: so was i, and i'm there, and asked ;-) |
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| 18:03.44 | \amethyst | it's not a particularly high-traffic channel it seems :) |
| 18:04.02 | dutchfish | enouf, \amethyst mm... 2.6.18-4 -> 2.6.18-6 was around the vm-splice issue ...not thta it mathers but what about the security pacthes and could that be not fixed upstream? |
| 18:04.59 | enouf | dutchfish: right - well IIRC -6 was the fixd version |
| 18:05.14 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'd love to know exactly what's wrong, but i have to be realistic too :P |
| 18:05.15 | dutchfish | enouf, with threads and needles i suppose |
| 18:05.24 | \amethyst | dutchfish: upstream for the xen patch is Fedora isn't it... are they still producing a 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 18:05.38 | dutchfish | \amethyst, bingo |
| 18:05.57 | enouf | dutchfish: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/releases/linux-2.6/2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=10501&sc=1 |
| 18:06.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm ok assuming that the most likely cause of the traquilized processes is the result of a sata controller driver bug |
| 18:06.26 | enouf | SerajewelKS: grepping and checking chnagelogs surely is a good start |
| 18:06.29 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and that the fuse problem was just a nasty fuse bug |
| 18:06.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i did look at the .25 changelog... i couldn't really find anything that looked promising |
| 18:06.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | could anyone help me install PowerChute software for UPS monitoring on debian? all I get is a .bin file that is a java file but I don't know how to work with it |
| 18:07.41 | enouf | SerajewelKS: sata controller bug sounds right on, however ... it's nice to know HOW (or what was the bug) that could cause all your processes to slowoly fall into uninterruptible sleep states (D) |
| 18:07.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i guess what i'm saying is that a cost/benefit analysis of finding a cause says it's not worth it :) |
| 18:08.02 | dutchfish | CVE-2007-4573 & CVE-2006-5755 bastian, so we really should ask him |
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| 18:08.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: oh i'd love to know how that could happen too |
| 18:08.31 | \amethyst | THE_GFR|WORK: http://microrants.blogspot.com/2007/05/apc-ups-shutdown-client.html might be helpful |
| 18:08.31 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well, looking from .24->.25 you're looking for things that BROKE it .. from 2.6.28-> .25 you're looking for Fixes ;-) |
| 18:08.34 | dutchfish | no, my mistake its 64-bit riented |
| 18:08.42 | SerajewelKS | enouf: my guess is that the processes that didn't sleep were either not doing any disk i/o or were managing to get everything they needed from the kernel i/o cache |
| 18:09.03 | enouf | SerajewelKS: many times, it's a patch, however, it could very well be from an entirely diff subsystem, that BROKE it |
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| 18:10.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that's likely too, but i'm not sure how i'd grep for other subsystems |
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| 18:10.11 | octoserver | is there a way to show all installed packages that have part of a name in it ? |
| 18:10.25 | enouf | dutchfish: click \amethyst http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00056.html |
| 18:11.22 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i am of to dinner, back later |
| 18:11.23 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that's much tougher .. say someone did something in the USB subsystem, that also touches the scsi part .. |
| 18:11.48 | enouf | dutchfish: eat, drink and be merry! ;-) |
| 18:12.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i suppose i could bug lkml |
| 18:12.11 | enouf | SerajewelKS: checking mailing lists and bugzilla ;-) |
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| 18:13.24 | enouf | SerajewelKS: when i searched all those avenues, using your jmicron controller and your marvell yukon sky2 gbit as keywords - i came up a bit empty |
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| 18:13.41 | enouf | but that doesn't mean much. .. |
| 18:13.57 | enouf | i was also focusing on uninterruptable sleep , not so much disk i/o |
| 18:14.09 | tuxick | in rc spamass-milter rc script i see "if [ -x /usr/sbin/postfix ]" |
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| 18:14.24 | tuxick | is that the normal way to see if postfix or anything is installed? |
| 18:14.40 | Firestarter- | Is debian etch still being updated? |
| 18:14.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and there , i learned about trap() and system calls() and possible network i/o backups ;-) |
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| 18:14.58 | octoserver | ok if i do aptitude show mysql? it shows them all, but how do i get it to show only installed packages ? |
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| 18:16.20 | enouf | SerajewelKS: http://unix-tree.huihoo.org/Net2Kern/kern/kern_sig.c.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGTRAP |
| 18:18.07 | enouf | SerajewelKS: could be even kernel -core- related .. something with the scheduler, even the CFS one... not the i/o one (which can be altered on the fly) |
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| 18:18.52 | enouf | SerajewelKS: there are many tests you could try - switching i/o schedulers, etc .. just to see - and i know .. when it takes a while to reproduce, you're spending many hours .. waiting |
| 18:19.26 | enouf | octoserver: dpkg -l \*mysql* | grep ^.i |
| 18:19.46 | clamiax | Does anyone use a webcam which requires the pac207 (gspca) driver, on Debian Lenny? I'm not able to make works a Pixart Labtec (093a:2464) webcam. I tried to install the gspca-modules package, i also tried to install the gspca modules with module-assistant, then loaded it but without results. |
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| 18:20.03 | octoserver | wooo cool |
| 18:20.05 | enouf | octoserver: dpkg is the installer, apt- and aptitude are the frontends, the fetchers |
| 18:20.06 | clamiax | I'm still googling and looking for relevant informations but i'm not able to figure out the problem ATM |
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| 18:20.22 | enouf | octoserver: yes, way cool ;-) |
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| 18:20.29 | stoned | actually isn't dpkg also a wrapper around dpkg-deb |
| 18:20.31 | stoned | ? |
| 18:20.34 | clamiax | By plugging in the cam to Ubuntu it just works (with the gspca/pac207 driver) |
| 18:20.44 | octoserver | rock on thanks |
| 18:20.45 | enouf | octoserver: learning bash/shell and regex is cool :-) |
| 18:20.52 | stoned | regex ftw |
| 18:20.57 | clamiax | does anyone have an idea on to solve the problem, or at least a start ponint/URI about? |
| 18:20.59 | enouf | !abs |
| 18:20.59 | dpkg | from memory, abs is a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 18:20.59 | clamiax | THX in advance. |
| 18:21.02 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that's the biggest deterrent to be honest, the time required to test |
| 18:21.11 | enouf | SerajewelKS: trust me, i know .. |
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| 18:21.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not entirely sure that it's worth it |
| 18:21.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i can't even stand waiting for a reboot , which excludes me from many tests ;-) |
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| 18:21.55 | enouf | SerajewelKS: just keep your ears / and eyes open ;-) |
| 18:22.21 | enouf | click: there are gspca module pkgs? |
| 18:22.35 | enouf | oh |
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| 18:23.56 | enouf | stoned: er .. no? |
| 18:24.09 | stoned | no what? |
| 18:24.23 | enouf | that's like saying dpkg is a wrapper around dpkg-query |
| 18:24.27 | enouf | it's the opposite |
| 18:24.31 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 18:24.47 | stoned | uhm |
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| 18:24.55 | stoned | READ the manpage |
| 18:24.57 | stoned | man dpkg |
| 18:25.07 | enouf | you're going to be a DD? hahahaha |
| 18:25.20 | enouf | burn! |
| 18:25.24 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 18:25.27 | tarzeau | enouf: haha |
| 18:25.31 | enouf | payback is a b i t c h |
| 18:25.35 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:25.37 | stoned | wtf are you on about? |
| 18:25.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:25.42 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 18:25.44 | stoned | you making fun of me? |
| 18:25.46 | enouf | SN1P3R: just teasing, chill dude |
| 18:25.48 | stoned | you pathetic low life |
| 18:25.49 | enouf | er stoned |
| 18:25.55 | stoned | I expected better of you |
| 18:25.57 | tarzeau | stoned: yes he is :) |
| 18:25.59 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 18:26.13 | tarzeau | enouf: dd, and the sense for humour is gone instantly |
| 18:26.22 | enouf | i hit low, and i hit high .. that's one thing women love about me ;-) |
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| 18:26.33 | tarzeau | enouf: and from behind? |
| 18:26.42 | enouf | tarzeau: point! ;-) |
| 18:27.16 | enouf | !configure-debian |
| 18:27.20 | octoserver | mysql-server-5.0 should be a replacement for mysql-server right ? |
| 18:27.23 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 18:27.37 | octoserver | having bothi installed wouldnt be a good thing right? |
| 18:27.39 | enouf | octoserver: no idea about mysql pkgs |
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| 18:27.49 | enouf | judd: versions mysql |
| 18:27.50 | judd | enouf: mysql -- |
| 18:27.53 | enouf | judd: versions mysql4 |
| 18:27.53 | judd | enouf: mysql4 -- |
| 18:27.58 | enouf | judd: versions mysql4* |
| 18:28.05 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 18:28.07 | stoned | mmm vodka |
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| 18:28.39 | stoned | enouf, its in the first page of dpkg manul |
| 18:28.52 | judd | enouf: mysql4% |
| 18:29.01 | enouf | octoserver: read the output of apt-cache show <pkgname> or use apt-cache depends - the 'showpkg' option and 'policy' options are useful too |
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| 18:29.17 | enouf | stoned: ever read the debian reference? |
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| 18:29.57 | stoned | no |
| 18:30.00 | octoserver | enouf: ok ill check it thanks |
| 18:30.01 | stoned | not once in 8 years. |
| 18:30.03 | stoned | 9 actually |
| 18:30.05 | enouf | stoned: can |
| 18:30.07 | enouf | dpkg can be also be used as a front-end to dpkg-deb(1) |
| 18:30.07 | dpkg | enouf: i don't know |
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| 18:30.22 | enouf | wow - fix that typo! |
| 18:30.26 | stoned | and what did I say? |
| 18:30.26 | SerajewelKS | enouf: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_25#head-9a84e93dda6555b560ac1fc19fe3584e1a42dd12 |
| 18:30.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: maybe that change did something |
| 18:30.56 | stoned | enouf, what specifically in the debian reference are you referring to? |
| 18:30.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.59 | enouf | [13:18:28] <stoned> ? |
| 18:31.11 | enouf | isn't == is not == implies is |
| 18:31.17 | enouf | not can be used as |
| 18:31.22 | stoned | what? |
| 18:31.25 | stoned | spean english |
| 18:31.31 | stoned | with a k |
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| 18:31.43 | SerajewelKS | grabs some popcorn and watches |
| 18:31.46 | enouf | stoned: the part where it talks about apt and aptitude being frontends to dpkg |
| 18:31.47 | stoned | oyu are saying I misunderstood the 'can' part? |
| 18:32.07 | stoned | enouf, so just like that, dpkg is for dpkg-deb too |
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| 18:32.13 | stoned | how is that wrong? |
| 18:32.18 | stoned | I read it in the fucking man page just now |
| 18:32.20 | enouf | for? |
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| 18:32.49 | enouf | no, you're implied response was "actually dpkg is a wrapper around dpkg-deb" |
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| 18:33.06 | SerajewelKS | s/you're/your/ :) |
| 18:33.07 | enouf | crap - you said also |
| 18:33.24 | enouf | stoned: my bad |
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| 18:33.29 | enouf | you dumbass :-P |
| 18:33.30 | stoned | no it was a question and then you answered and then i aske dyou to read the manpage to help me confirm something |
| 18:33.35 | stoned | you started bieng a p rick |
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| 18:33.42 | stoned | its right up ther ein the logs man |
| 18:33.44 | stoned | scroll up |
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| 18:33.47 | tarzeau | come on, this is not #kindergarden |
| 18:33.58 | enouf | stoned: stop man .. i owned up |
| 18:34.04 | tarzeau | goes having a beer. have fun with the weekend |
| 18:34.05 | stoned | i was still typing |
| 18:34.05 | enouf | and i pwn j00! |
| 18:34.08 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:34.11 | SerajewelKS | mud fight! |
| 18:34.12 | stoned | i hadn't yet seen what you had said |
| 18:34.29 | enouf | dude, you type like 1500 wps .. i type like .. 3 |
| 18:34.34 | stoned | :D |
| 18:34.41 | stoned | I'm perpetually on crack! |
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| 18:35.32 | enouf | tarzeau: cheers mate ! |
| 18:35.47 | stoned | when I said pathetic low life, I mant, dear enouf my best friend homie dude bro man ;) |
| 18:35.57 | stoned | ahem hhehehe |
| 18:35.59 | enouf | it's all good |
| 18:36.10 | enouf | can we move on now? |
| 18:36.13 | enouf | hon? |
| 18:36.16 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:36.20 | stoned | dude do NOT call me that |
| 18:36.27 | enouf | hhahaha |
| 18:36.30 | meyou | aaah lovers' quarrel |
| 18:36.43 | enouf | falls off the chair |
| 18:36.53 | stoned | earthquake |
| 18:36.57 | stoned | from his big gigantic ass! |
| 18:36.58 | stoned | runs |
| 18:37.20 | enouf | !debian questions |
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| 18:37.35 | enouf | dpkg: say now taking any and all debian questions! |
| 18:37.36 | dpkg | now taking any and all debian questions! |
| 18:38.29 | enouf | (notice, i didn't say related - we do have many mutant cousins about) ;-) |
| 18:39.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | stoned pm ? |
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| 18:39.15 | stoned | #debian-chat unless its personal |
| 18:39.16 | enouf | no .. man .. c'mon .. channel |
| 18:39.17 | stoned | then sure. |
| 18:39.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | stoned: do you know how to get UPS stuff working in debian? |
| 18:39.42 | enouf | usb? |
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| 18:39.50 | enouf | serial? |
| 18:39.55 | aiuw | ... |
| 18:39.56 | stoned | !ping |
| 18:39.57 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:39.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | USB |
| 18:40.00 | Firestarter- | Where can I find a good working sources.list for debian etch? |
| 18:40.03 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 18:40.03 | dpkg | [qotd166] <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 18:40.09 | stoned | Lag: 23.50 |
| 18:40.20 | enouf | likes compresibility |
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| 18:40.27 | phobos_anomaly | Firestarter-: try google. I've found plenty of em on there |
| 18:40.28 | enouf | er comprensibility |
| 18:40.41 | stoned | I have never setup UPS |
| 18:40.42 | THE_GFR|WORK | I do not know how to run it, have a monitor program, or even if I have it configured correctly |
| 18:40.50 | enouf | !+tell Firestarter- -about sources.list |
| 18:40.51 | dpkg | told Firestarter- about sources.list. |
| 18:40.57 | stoned | dont' do that |
| 18:41.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | *sigh* NOBODY knows then they tell me RTFM and I spend 4 hours reading and trying stuff and getting nowhere |
| 18:41.12 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: um, what's wrong with just "deb http://debian.ox.ac.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free"? |
| 18:41.18 | stoned | unnecery traffic |
| 18:41.19 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: lsb -v |
| 18:41.22 | enouf | er |
| 18:41.22 | \amethyst | Hazelesque: no security |
| 18:41.23 | stoned | unnesseaseryy |
| 18:41.26 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: lsusb -v |
| 18:41.27 | stoned | ah fuck |
| 18:41.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: what? |
| 18:41.40 | Hazelesque | \amethyst: hmm? what did I miss? |
| 18:41.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: the UPS is detected by the system |
| 18:41.45 | \amethyst | Hazelesque: you also need deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:41.55 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: how so? |
| 18:41.59 | Hazelesque | Ametrine: oh, yes, I see :P |
| 18:42.09 | Hazelesque | uhh, \amethyst |
| 18:42.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: when I do dmesg I see the UPS listed |
| 18:42.17 | enouf | !security |
| 18:42.17 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 18:42.35 | Hazelesque | \amethyst: I was thinking you meant "security" as in gpg signing :P |
| 18:42.37 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: show us - use a pastebin - also show us lsusb -v output |
| 18:42.49 | \amethyst | Hazelesque: ah, no, I meant the server :) |
| 18:43.11 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: you need some sort of UI to interact with it, i suspect |
| 18:43.23 | Hazelesque | I guess I'm used to using testing and there not being a testing/updates 75% of the time :P |
| 18:43.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: yes I do! |
| 18:43.36 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: are you using Gnome, KDE? xfce4? |
| 18:44.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I do not know |
| 18:44.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | http://pastebin.com/m39d1ce60 |
| 18:44.31 | enouf | Hazelesque: actually .. Lenny's status is considered Fully secure now |
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| 18:45.24 | enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/12/msg00006.html |
| 18:45.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: also http://pastebin.com/m7498989e |
| 18:45.33 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: I keep getting troubel when trying to install build-essential libc6-dev g++ can I past somewhere and give you a link? |
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| 18:45.44 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: you can try :P |
| 18:45.45 | SerajewelKS | enouf: did you see the url i pasted? |
| 18:46.13 | Firestarter- | yes |
| 18:46.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: how do I know what windows manager I'm using anyhow ? |
| 18:47.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | I just pasted the outputs for you enouf |
| 18:47.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | *sigh* |
| 18:47.49 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: lsmod | egrep 'ipaq|io_ti|apple' |
| 18:48.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | nothing |
| 18:48.13 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: erm .. click the menu bar Help > About ? |
| 18:48.24 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: can't |
| 18:48.32 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: no access to that currently |
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| 18:48.52 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: actually - as root-sudo update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 18:49.00 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: actually - as root-sudo update-alternatives --list x-session-manager as well |
| 18:49.17 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: you have no X running? |
| 18:49.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: when I VNC in all I get is a grey screen with a console in it nothing else |
| 18:49.57 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: you need more han holding than i can give atm .. sorry - and i know not much about vnc anyway |
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| 18:50.14 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: *sigh* I do need some help :| |
| 18:50.33 | enouf | don't try remote linux till atleast you get down localhost linux ;-) |
| 18:50.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: everyone dealing with linux is like that... :( |
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| 18:50.56 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I had remote working on other linux boxes it just won't work correctly here |
| 18:51.07 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: that's not true - and there's a lot to learn, this isn't windows |
| 18:51.09 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: http://paste.debian.net/24989/ |
| 18:51.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I know it's just a matter of configs but I need some help |
| 18:51.17 | reber | hi. [ot a little] Seems that i need codecs cause mplayer doesn't show *all* videos. I have debian-multimedia.org repository though. Any ideas ? |
| 18:51.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: yea everyone tells me to read everything and I can read for hours and get nowhere |
| 18:51.48 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: but you need to read a lot, try to understand, apply it, and comeback with specific questions and exating info and error messages |
| 18:51.57 | enouf | i know |
| 18:52.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | I try that but it gets me nowhere |
| 18:52.07 | enouf | you can do it |
| 18:52.08 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: um, were you on a higher version than etch before? |
| 18:52.30 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: Not that I remember |
| 18:52.48 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: grasp the basics .. if it all seems like Medical or Botanical terms, read about GNU/nix and bash/shell |
| 18:52.55 | Hazelesque | and, after editing sources.list, have you done "apt-get update"? |
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| 18:52.58 | Hazelesque | (as root) |
| 18:53.08 | Firestarter- | yes |
| 18:53.47 | doublehp | a HDD is source of noise; nobody ever used that to play music ? (this idea comes to me while thinking that CRT have been used to play MP3 ... ) |
| 18:53.47 | Hazelesque | what happens if you do "apt-get install -t etch build-essential libc6-dev=2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 gcc g++"? |
| 18:54.01 | JPT | type it into bash and press enter |
| 18:54.15 | JPT | he'll probably ask you if he should really start installing it |
| 18:54.16 | JPT | :) |
| 18:54.21 | eagle1 | doublehp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4 |
| 18:54.25 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: Same error |
| 18:54.30 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: you'll probably find it moans about something else... but there's usually a reason why it's saying "Depends: foo (= bar) but quux is to be installed" |
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| 18:55.58 | enouf | reber: which are all videos? what type? |
| 18:56.25 | enouf | reber: apt-get install mplayer ffmpeg w32codecs |
| 18:56.26 | reber | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.37 | reber | enouf, done already :/ |
| 18:56.43 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: what available versions of g++-4.1 are there? |
| 18:56.53 | enouf | reber: libavcodec in mplyer takes care of that, iinm |
| 18:56.55 | Hazelesque | do apt-cache show g++-4.1 | grep "Version: " |
| 18:57.05 | enouf | reber: avidemux? |
| 18:57.20 | enouf | reber: give us an example |
| 18:57.31 | enouf | reber: is it wmv10 crap? |
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| 18:57.47 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: find a version that is >= 4.1.1-2 and change "g++-4.1" on the command line to "g++-4.1=NNN" where NNN is the version you found that satisfies the condition |
| 18:57.53 | reber | enouf, i have some blue screen instead of the video |
| 18:58.03 | reber | ( and no, it's not winbloz ;) ) |
| 18:58.05 | enouf | Hazelesque: what? |
| 18:58.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: what UI do you recommend for UPS stuff that I can install? |
| 18:58.19 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: Ok |
| 18:58.23 | Hazelesque | enouf: hmm? |
| 18:58.48 | enouf | !wayttd Firestarter- |
| 18:58.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Firestarter-? |
| 18:59.14 | Firestarter- | dpkg: Install build-essentials |
| 18:59.14 | dpkg | Firestarter-: wish i knew |
| 18:59.27 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: well, if using gnome, i'm not sure .. but apt-get update followed by apt-cache search ups |
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| 18:59.34 | Firestarter- | -s |
| 18:59.35 | doublehp | eagle1: very interesting, but, i was think the other way: head moves have varying timings, depending on ACM and distance between consecutive acessed sectors, so, by tweaking ACM and measuring access times, it should be possible to determine by soft where are located keysectors, and use this to produce "varied sounds" ... and hopefully music ? |
| 18:59.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: do you use one? |
| 18:59.50 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: no, not here |
| 19:00.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: what one have you used? |
| 19:00.02 | Hazelesque | generally, "but it is not going to be installed" means that there is some reason that it doesn't want to do what you've asked, possibly something is conflicting, and you have to be more precise in your request before it will elucidate |
| 19:00.09 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: i use generators often though ;-) |
| 19:00.15 | enouf | and not for PCs |
| 19:00.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | fine nevermind |
| 19:00.23 | Hazelesque | as in, it is saying "but it is not going to be installed", the trick is to find out /why/ :P |
| 19:00.25 | schme | orgone generators? |
| 19:00.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | too hard for you to tell me. |
| 19:00.39 | doublehp | eagle1: people have been using Testla coils and CRT to make music, so, "why not from an HDD ?" ... |
| 19:00.40 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: sorry - try ##linux and ##linux-help perhaps |
| 19:00.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | fine thanks |
| 19:01.16 | schme | doublehp: people also use irc and ethernet to make music. |
| 19:01.21 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: no .. i use various types of generators and pneumatic tools and compressors, but for heavy work, not for powering PCs |
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| 19:01.44 | user_corrupt | (noob) how do a mount a cdrom from the terminal with "no-exec" flag disabled? |
| 19:01.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: fine thanks |
| 19:01.56 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: nothing like Fossil Fuel to keep things running ;-) |
| 19:02.17 | doublehp | schme: URL ? |
| 19:02.17 | enouf | i saw - wish i knew more |
| 19:02.51 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: first question is: do you have root/sudo? |
| 19:02.54 | schme | doublehp: Sorry, I don't have a website for it :) |
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| 19:02.57 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: all i could do,is grep my kernel source for perhaps a missing module - i truned up a blank though |
| 19:03.00 | user_corrupt | yeah |
| 19:03.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: :-\ |
| 19:03.11 | schme | doublehp: I'm more interested in bizarre things like producing sound than producing html ;) |
| 19:03.16 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: do (as an ordinary user): "cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom" |
| 19:03.17 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: perhaps it's not needed - wait |
| 19:03.33 | Hazelesque | it should be one line, I think that's OK to paste, if it's more use pastebin |
| 19:03.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_25#head-9a84e93dda6555b560ac1fc19fe3584e1a42dd12 |
| 19:03.45 | user_corrupt | thanks |
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| 19:04.18 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: it's not fixed yet, I just want to find out what the options in your fstab for your cdrom mount point are, and where your cdrom device is |
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| 19:04.33 | FriarLaurence | bonjour |
| 19:04.36 | doublehp | schme: so, you should be better interrested by my idea than your Youtube thing :) |
| 19:04.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: ok then |
| 19:04.50 | user_corrupt | i see, one moment |
| 19:04.55 | schme | doublehp: My youtube tihng? |
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| 19:05.33 | doublehp | schme: sorry, was eagle1 's |
| 19:05.53 | FriarLaurence | when i install anything with apt it always prefers the packages from sid although there are newer ones in experimental. i have to add /experimental after each packagename. why is that? |
| 19:05.59 | SerajewelKS | you spin me right round, baby, right round like a record, baby, right round round round |
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| 19:06.16 | schme | doublehp: I'm very interested in your idea actually. I even copied it and stored it in my howm notes. |
| 19:06.29 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: your dmesg is overflowed, pastebin output of /var/log/dmesg .. and tell me, have you rebooted with the device plugged in yet? |
| 19:06.39 | FriarLaurence | can anyone please help? |
| 19:06.46 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: yes I have |
| 19:06.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: please .. a synopsis? |
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| 19:07.36 | user_corrupt | no such file or directory |
| 19:07.49 | SerajewelKS | enouf: that section seems to indicate that a new process status was added alongside interruptible sleep and uninterruptible sleep: killable sleep |
| 19:07.50 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: I try that and I get E: Version '4.1.1-21' for 'g++' was not found. Seems that package is not available maybe? |
| 19:08.02 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: i see USB1.1 which should be fine, but your paste is missing info for me to be able to tell which system chips you have and CPU .. so .. also i'm trying to ascertain, does the FW == firewire or Firmware |
| 19:08.07 | SerajewelKS | enouf: perhaps they fucked something up while adding that |
| 19:08.12 | themill | FriarLaurence: experimental is not something that you should be playing with lightly... if you don't know how to solve this yourself, then you shouldn't be going anywhere near experimental really. In fact, I'd say you should also not be using unstable. |
| 19:08.22 | SerajewelKS | enouf: most promising lead so far anyway |
| 19:08.23 | themill | FriarLaurence: /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg pinning |
| 19:08.26 | enouf | SerajewelKS: thanks - now i'll look ;-) |
| 19:08.30 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: umm, hmm |
| 19:08.32 | user_corrupt | hazelesque: no such file or directory |
| 19:08.41 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: is it saying that /etc/fstab doesn't exist? |
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| 19:08.46 | schme | doublehp: plugin it all into puredata or some other niceness. That's the key, I'd say :) |
| 19:08.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: FW = FireWire |
| 19:09.00 | FriarLaurence | themill: shut up. its not my fault that debian sid is so old |
| 19:09.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: it's an AMD FX 55 I as I recall |
| 19:09.25 | themill | FriarLaurence: it's not my fault you want to use things without being prepared to learn about them. |
| 19:09.35 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: it's an nforce chipset |
| 19:09.50 | enouf | SerajewelKS: excellent find - i searched those kernelnewbie.org docs for quite a bit .. i guess when i did, i only was looking for Jmicron and marvell and sky |
| 19:09.50 | SerajewelKS | enouf: :) |
| 19:10.01 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: try "sudo ls -l /etc/fstab" and see what it says |
| 19:10.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yeah this was the first hit for "2.6.25 uninterruptible sleep" i think |
| 19:10.20 | schme | doublehp: If I do get around to abusing a harddrive for something I'll be sure to see if I can find you on the freenode :) |
| 19:10.23 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: hang on a second |
| 19:10.27 | user_corrupt | hazelesque: /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:10.28 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: did you paste what I said with quotes? |
| 19:10.31 | schme | shuts up the ot. |
| 19:10.45 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: so .. i don't see any FireWire modules loading though ,, what arch is that? |
| 19:10.51 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: uname -r |
| 19:11.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: hold on |
| 19:11.14 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: do you want to always allow exec? |
| 19:11.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: see? sleep helps the weary ;-) |
| 19:11.17 | Hazelesque | user_corrupt: or just temporarily |
| 19:11.18 | Hazelesque | ? |
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| 19:11.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 19:11.33 | enouf | hrm .. ok |
| 19:11.37 | Hazelesque | you can mount the CD drive, then do "sudo mount -o remount,exec /media/cdrom0" (without quotes) |
| 19:11.47 | user_corrupt | hazelesque: temp |
| 19:11.48 | Hazelesque | or you can edit the fstab entry to add ",exec" after noauto |
| 19:11.51 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: pastebin /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 19:12.00 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: already did |
| 19:12.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | er |
| 19:12.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | wait |
| 19:12.06 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: and output of lsmod? |
| 19:12.11 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 19:12.11 | FriarLaurence | when i install anything with apt it always prefers the packages from sid although there are newer ones in experimental. i have to add /experimental after each packagename. why is that? can anyone please help? |
| 19:12.12 | enouf | no you did dmesg |
| 19:12.16 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: There are two ver 4 of g++ one is 4.1.1-21 and the other 4:4.1.1-15 neither one will install |
| 19:12.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | right hold on |
| 19:12.25 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: hmm. |
| 19:12.31 | Hazelesque | weird. |
| 19:12.32 | themill | FriarLaurence: I've already told you. |
| 19:12.55 | SerajewelKS | enouf: usually yeah |
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| 19:13.01 | Hazelesque | Firestarter-: I don't know what the recommended major version of g++ is on etch, and I haven't used etch in ages |
| 19:13.03 | SerajewelKS | enouf: only got about 5 hours again but meh |
| 19:13.10 | doublehp | schme: /msg ? |
| 19:13.13 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: dmesg command holds the available kernel ring buffer amoutn only - the /var/log/dmesg contains your boot info, and is not overwritten |
| 19:13.14 | stoned_enkidu | themill btw I liked the cooker way of experimental repo ;-) |
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| 19:13.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m79e7c585 |
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| 19:13.35 | Firestarter- | Hazelesque: Is there something I could upgrade to that is better than etch? |
| 19:13.38 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i've been working on shit all day here ;-) |
| 19:13.43 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: ok |
| 19:14.04 | FriarLaurence | themill: no you havent. i want to use experimental in deed. there are even newer packages. it is too slow to add /experimental always and then add the dependencies in the command line too |
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| 19:14.29 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: nothing about UPS there |
| 19:14.30 | themill | FriarLaurence: [19:08] <themill> FriarLaurence: /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg pinning |
| 19:14.36 | enouf | so not since last reboot THE_GFR|WORK |
| 19:14.41 | themill | FriarLaurence: feel free to read first and complain second |
| 19:14.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: well it's detected with dmesg |
| 19:15.01 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: i'm going to suggest also, you upgrade to a .24 kernel |
| 19:15.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I don't know if I can upgrade the kernel without breaking my web server on there that runs for my business |
| 19:15.44 | FriarLaurence | ah, msg dpkg is a command? :P |
| 19:15.51 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right now i'm working on using tar, gpg, and sendmail to send backups of my web server data to a gmail account :) |
| 19:16.03 | doublehp | schme: private ? |
| 19:16.25 | FriarLaurence | at least i didnt pinn anything |
| 19:16.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: though I don't see how an updated kernel will make the UPS work better... in this case |
| 19:16.47 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: what cpu is that? |
| 19:17.01 | enouf | i ccan't believe dmesg isn't saying |
| 19:17.20 | octoserver | is mysql a piece if crap or what? is there something better to use? |
| 19:17.22 | themill | FriarLaurence: you need to have sensible pinning to be able to mix releases in the way you are seeking to do so |
| 19:17.41 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: the etchnhalf .24 kernel (will) should not break your webserver |
| 19:17.55 | octoserver | i cant even get connected to the server after 4 hours of uninstalling reinstalling resetting passwords\ |
| 19:18.00 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: firewire in .18 was .. er iffy |
| 19:18.26 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: is that a firewire card? ithought the device was USB |
| 19:18.42 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: pastebin lspci -nn |
| 19:18.58 | valdyn | octoserver: they do have support for $ |
| 19:18.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: why are you hung up about firewire? the UPS is USB |
| 19:19.03 | FriarLaurence | themill: thanks. the -t option is handy. i have a sidux with many packages from testing. i want to install some which are too old there from debian sid and experimental |
| 19:19.14 | enouf | because the shit says FW |
| 19:19.16 | octoserver | ahhh |
| 19:19.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: and the firewire is built-in to the motherboard |
| 19:19.29 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: oh |
| 19:19.38 | enouf | look at it --> 207. hiddev97: USB HID v1.10 Device [APC Back-UPS ES 350 FW:800.e5.D USB FW:e5] on usb-0000:00:02.0-2 |
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| 19:19.56 | themill | FriarLaurence: yuck. If you are using sidux then you should ask them not us. Also you probably shouldn't be mixing testing/unstable/experimental in that way... that's a recipe for a mess |
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| 19:20.05 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I'd say firmware in that case |
| 19:20.08 | octoserver | how do you get the bot to spit stuff at you again ? |
| 19:20.15 | enouf | firewire is more than 1.1 usb :-P not that you need it, and fw800 is much more :-P |
| 19:20.31 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: maybe you require some FW then |
| 19:20.35 | octoserver | ! reset root mysql passowrd |
| 19:20.42 | octoserver | lol |
| 19:20.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: the silly device is getting DETECTED!! :o |
| 19:20.51 | user_corrupt | im trying to change directories into my "cdrom0" dir, and im not quite sure how...ive tried cd /cdrom0, cd cdrom0.... |
| 19:21.06 | enouf | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 19:21.06 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 19:21.16 | octoserver | aghh thanks |
| 19:21.24 | amphi | octoserver: /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:21.29 | enouf | !tell octoserver -about query the bot |
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| 19:21.36 | octoserver | :) |
| 19:21.42 | enouf | !tell octoserver -about msgthebot |
| 19:21.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | I am pretty sure I don't need any FW |
| 19:21.50 | enouf | !tell octoserver -about dpkgbot |
| 19:22.09 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: how so? |
| 19:22.17 | flokuehn | oder sag mir wo ich sie herbekomme |
| 19:22.25 | flokuehn | wrong window. sorry |
| 19:22.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: manufacturer says it's linux compatible |
| 19:22.34 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: wifi cards get detected all the time, but without FW .. guess what? |
| 19:22.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: and it's being detected |
| 19:22.44 | enouf | so what! |
| 19:22.56 | enouf | that's the kernel pounding the chip! |
| 19:23.10 | FriarLaurence | themill: why not? i am upgrading and installing only from debian testing for 4 months. i needed a new version of mesa (for graphics) and make printed too many errors so i use experimental |
| 19:23.16 | \amethyst | is %1 on a line by itself? |
| 19:23.17 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:23.44 | enouf | and udev |
| 19:24.09 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: it doesn't yet have a /dev/entry though, afaict |
| 19:24.20 | THE_GFR|WORK | hmm |
| 19:24.59 | FriarLaurence | themill: i dont have a /etc/apt/preferences. is that normal? |
| 19:25.04 | themill | FriarLaurence: mixing releases isn't something that is recommended and as lenny and sid diverge, mixing lenny with experimental is highly likely to cause problems. |
| 19:25.05 | enouf | udev doesn't know which module to load. .. you need something .. like firmware .. that's my take - i could be wrong |
| 19:25.13 | themill | FriarLaurence: you'll need to create it. |
| 19:25.54 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: run udevmonitor as root, unplug, replug, and post the output to pastebin along with dmesg | tail |
| 19:26.03 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: there I got it to communicate |
| 19:26.46 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: well it got further |
| 19:26.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf |
| 19:26.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | getline failed. Apparently the link is not up. |
| 19:26.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | Giving up. |
| 19:27.07 | enouf | looks down at his link |
| 19:27.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | :o |
| 19:27.21 | enouf | what an ape |
| 19:27.27 | THE_GFR|WORK | what? |
| 19:27.43 | enouf | , my , i |
| 19:28.11 | enouf | !nickometer THE_GFR|WORK |
| 19:28.13 | dpkg | 'THE_GFR|WORK' is 99.9196% lame, enouf |
| 19:28.20 | enouf | !fail THE_GFR|WORK |
| 19:28.33 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:29.19 | stoned | ImportError: No module named pydcop |
| 19:29.28 | stoned | argh |
| 19:29.31 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: the apctest thing actually opened successfully after I set the UPSTYPE to USB and the DEVICE <BLANK> |
| 19:29.37 | enouf | exports stoned |
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| 19:29.48 | enouf | to deport status |
| 19:29.50 | FriarLaurence | themill: is there another way to get new packages for my hardware and use a testing-like stable system? |
| 19:30.01 | stoned | python-dcop |
| 19:30.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | so enouf what else? |
| 19:30.12 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: wonderful |
| 19:30.22 | enouf | no idea without what i asked for |
| 19:30.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 19:30.25 | stoned | E: Failed to fetch http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdebindings/python-dcop_3.5.10-1_i386.deb: Temporary failure resolving 'debian.osuosl.org' |
| 19:30.30 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 19:31.00 | EugenMayer | i cant use my arrow-keys. Anything suggested? |
| 19:31.09 | stoned | EugenMayer, where?] |
| 19:31.11 | enouf | !insert |
| 19:31.11 | dpkg | i heard insert is Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels.. NEWS: The insert problem is fixed in 2.6.26-7 |
| 19:31.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m58735978 |
| 19:31.52 | enouf | !factinfo insert |
| 19:31.52 | dpkg | insert -- created by enouf <n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net> at Sat Sep 27 13:59:23 2008 (97 days); last modified at Tue Sep 30 23:01:32 2008 by enouf!~stomptheb@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 12 times, last by enouf, 41s ago. |
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| 19:32.13 | EugenMayer | stoned: hmm iam using the default etch kernel, so -18-5, what can i do? |
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| 19:32.43 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: is that a router or something embedded? |
| 19:32.55 | Hazelesque | enouf: curious, I was having that issue on a box the other day, assumed it was an X bug causing it due to VT switch |
| 19:32.59 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: no. |
| 19:33.01 | enouf | that ain't no PC |
| 19:33.10 | EugenMayer | stoned: "hitting the insert key?!" |
| 19:33.16 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: it's a DFI Lan Party motherboard |
| 19:33.29 | enouf | eww.. o/c heaven ;-) |
| 19:33.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: with two network interfaces and an AMD Athlon FX-55 |
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| 19:34.08 | enouf | Hazelesque: yes, i stumbled onto it and made the factoid after WHACKING my keyboard ;-) |
| 19:34.25 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: nice setup |
| 19:34.39 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: works well for a server I should say with a 500GB hard drive... |
| 19:34.46 | Hazelesque | enouf: oh, I knew it wasn't the model M's fault, I'd used it on another machine 5 minutes previously with no problems :P |
| 19:34.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | I think I put a 500 in there |
| 19:34.55 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: 2. 00:00.0 Memory controller [0580]: nVidia Corporation CK804 Memory Controller [10de:005e] (rev a <-- i don't like it though .. |
| 19:35.13 | THE_GFR|WORK | whatever enouf it works GREAT |
| 19:35.26 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: anyway back to my issue |
| 19:35.40 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: s754 or s939 ? |
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| 19:35.45 | enouf | 939 |
| 19:35.56 | enouf | is my guess |
| 19:35.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: whatever the FX-55 is... it's 940 I think |
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| 19:36.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | but I don't recall |
| 19:36.12 | enouf | right .. oh .. yeah .. well |
| 19:36.28 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: it's 939 |
| 19:36.34 | enouf | hrm . yeah |
| 19:36.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyway back to my issue |
| 19:36.53 | enouf | the opteron 1xx, 2xx, 8xx were the only 940 thgen |
| 19:37.07 | THE_GFR|WORK | yea |
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| 19:37.10 | EugenMayer | !insert |
| 19:37.10 | dpkg | i guess insert is Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels.. NEWS: The insert problem is fixed in 2.6.26-7 |
| 19:37.26 | EugenMayer | enouf: hitting the insert key does not help me |
| 19:37.27 | enouf | EugenMayer: you can /msg dpkg msgthebot |
| 19:37.34 | enouf | EugenMayer: sorry |
| 19:37.36 | EugenMayer | sorry. |
| 19:37.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | and enouf I got this motherboard and the CPU + RAM + VIDEO CARD GeForce 7600GT BFG Tech for $300 |
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| 19:37.52 | enouf | EugenMayer: is an Apple computer involved? |
| 19:37.56 | EugenMayer | i installed the etchnhalf kernel, enouf, but that -24 |
| 19:38.07 | enouf | i know |
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| 19:38.17 | EugenMayer | enouf: its an vmware-server on a debian host, the vmware-gues is also debian ( both etch ) |
| 19:38.28 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: BFG are awsome .. didn't they buy Exx? |
| 19:38.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | exx? |
| 19:38.42 | enouf | EugenMayer: dunno |
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| 19:38.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | I dunno I only ever buy BFG video cards |
| 19:38.59 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: the one's that used to offer Lifetime warranties |
| 19:39.08 | enouf | eGFX or whatever |
| 19:39.10 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: they still do |
| 19:39.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: BFG that is |
| 19:39.17 | enouf | whoi? |
| 19:39.19 | enouf | ok |
| 19:39.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: you mean eVGA? |
| 19:39.32 | enouf | there was an E! |
| 19:39.36 | enouf | yeah |
| 19:39.47 | THE_GFR|WORK | eVGA is still around and offer a somewhat lesser warranty |
| 19:39.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | I like BFG best |
| 19:39.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: back to my issue please |
| 19:40.02 | stoned | !ping |
| 19:40.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:40.21 | enouf | eVGA offered the lifetime 1st and were awesome in fulfilling |
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| 19:40.44 | enouf | BFG bought them or something |
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| 19:40.58 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: your UPS sucks |
| 19:41.04 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: your Manu sucks |
| 19:41.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | ? |
| 19:41.20 | enouf | go buy a Honda 4troke generator |
| 19:41.21 | THE_GFR|WORK | I don't care if the UPS sucks |
| 19:41.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | all I want is it to work with the system |
| 19:41.58 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: you don't even know which DE you have, if any |
| 19:42.15 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: DE? |
| 19:42.24 | enouf | Desktop Env |
| 19:42.27 | enouf | Boat |
| 19:42.31 | enouf | Bloat |
| 19:42.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: whatever comes standard with debian |
| 19:42.53 | THE_GFR|WORK | is there a way to check via console? |
| 19:42.56 | enouf | Gnome does - did you use tasksel ? |
| 19:43.06 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: why console? |
| 19:43.17 | THE_GFR|WORK | because I don't have access to the desktop |
| 19:43.22 | enouf | why not? |
| 19:43.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | I.E. no monitor or anything |
| 19:43.31 | enouf | huh? |
| 19:43.37 | enouf | you have no console then |
| 19:43.48 | THE_GFR|WORK | I can only SSH |
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| 19:43.54 | enouf | unless ... that's diff |
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| 19:44.07 | enouf | i told you .. don't mess with remote |
| 19:44.12 | THE_GFR|WORK | I have no monitor connected to the system |
| 19:44.16 | enouf | till you know the basics |
| 19:44.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I can SSH in fine |
| 19:44.37 | enouf | you have /dev/console then? |
| 19:44.43 | enouf | or tty0? or ... |
| 19:44.44 | THE_GFR|WORK | what? |
| 19:44.48 | enouf | right |
| 19:44.57 | THE_GFR|WORK | I just SSH to the box |
| 19:44.58 | enouf | 'runlevel' says? |
| 19:45.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | N 2 |
| 19:45.14 | enouf | heh |
| 19:45.19 | enouf | you have no console |
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| 19:45.38 | THE_GFR|WORK | I'm connected via SSH |
| 19:45.44 | enouf | so what |
| 19:46.04 | enouf | root console is runlevel independent |
| 19:46.04 | THE_GFR|WORK | so is there a way to tell what x-windows version thing I have? |
| 19:46.10 | enouf | forget it |
| 19:46.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I still need this to work |
| 19:46.37 | enouf | not remotely .. you don't even have serial terminal access |
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| 19:46.50 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: SSH should be enough |
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| 19:47.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | if I could vnc in correctly I would tell you what windows mamager I have |
| 19:47.04 | enouf | yeah? telinit 1 and watch it all go p00f |
| 19:47.19 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyway |
| 19:48.12 | enouf | there's no UI .. i mean, i have no idea how those UPS work, likely a web(ad)min thing like, like a router, but you have no GUI .. nor ever console |
| 19:48.16 | bela | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:48.52 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: anyway |
| 19:48.54 | enouf | if the only UI is through a GUI of sorts you have to fix that .. otherwise try telnet |
| 19:49.23 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: i don't know .. sorry man |
| 19:49.37 | enouf | er s/man/man{lady} |
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| 19:49.45 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: so you don't know your arse from a hole in the ground regarding UPS's ;P |
| 19:49.53 | enouf | right |
| 19:49.58 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: I appericiate your help though |
| 19:49.59 | enouf | right on actually |
| 19:50.02 | THE_GFR|WORK | hehe |
| 19:50.09 | THE_GFR|WORK | and I was just kidding around :o |
| 19:50.16 | enouf | and i appreciate all those nude photos you sent me :-P |
| 19:50.23 | THE_GFR|WORK | :P |
| 19:50.25 | THE_GFR|WORK | :O |
| 19:50.26 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:50.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | ;P |
| 19:50.32 | enouf | babay! |
| 19:50.37 | THE_GFR|WORK | hehe |
| 19:50.38 | bela | what is : ERROR opening V4L interface |
| 19:50.40 | THE_GFR|WORK | ok anyway |
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| 19:50.46 | enouf | THE_GFR|WORK: i tried ... |
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| 19:51.11 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: that's more then the rest of the linux people here did and I appericiate that a LOT |
| 19:51.30 | enouf | Debian is for lovers ;-) .. wow |
| 19:51.43 | THE_GFR|WORK | heh |
| 19:51.51 | enouf | !new motto stoned |
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| 19:52.25 | enouf | man .. it's like a private chat here ... chrpchrp |
| 19:52.29 | linux_stu | hi |
| 19:52.38 | enouf | why not send me some ... oh nm ;-) |
| 19:52.51 | enouf | linux_stu: way to mess me up man :-P |
| 19:53.04 | vilemaxim | any LDAP guys around? Trying to get smbldap working. useing phpldapadmin I can see the use and test the password. Using getent passwd I can see the user. su to the user works fine. But I cannot login as the user. I cannot figure out a way to google to get anywhere. Anyone have a clue for me. |
| 19:53.10 | enouf | <jk> |
| 19:53.32 | vilemaxim | system is lenny |
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| 19:53.59 | enouf | vilemaxim: can you possibly add some more wrappers? |
| 19:54.08 | EugenMayer | after i installed the ethnhalf kennel, my vmtools modules seem to be uptodate. How to rebuild it ( or all module ) |
| 19:54.18 | linux_stu | lol sorry enouf |
| 19:54.26 | enouf | vilemaxim: like maybe selinuxphpmyadmldapadmin ? |
| 19:54.38 | enouf | oh wait .. maybe |
| 19:54.50 | enouf | vilemaxim: like maybe selinuxsmbcifsphpmyadmldapadmin ? |
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| 19:55.27 | enouf | vilemaxim: does the user have a valid login shell in passwd? |
| 19:55.48 | enouf | vilemaxim: is that shell listed in /etc/shells? |
| 19:56.01 | dareth | you trying to login via ssh? |
| 19:56.05 | enouf | vilemaxim: i don't know shit about ldap, nor php though |
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| 19:56.19 | dareth | is that user allowed thru ssh, not limited to certain users. |
| 19:56.47 | vilemaxim | enouf: I figure that out by your wrapper comment. I don't believe you are in a position to help me. |
| 19:57.07 | dareth | you get a valid shell with su, so issue is either connection protocol, ie ssh restrictions or auth mech attached to it. |
| 19:57.09 | vilemaxim | enouf: that's anyway |
| 19:57.09 | enouf | vilemaxim: great - others are inquiring |
| 19:58.01 | vilemaxim | dareth: I didn't restrict any users |
| 19:58.01 | enouf | dareth: ldap is tied to ssh? |
| 19:58.01 | vilemaxim | dareth: yes valid shell |
| 19:58.01 | dareth | if you use it for auth it would be eh |
| 19:58.03 | enouf | ok |
| 19:58.44 | enouf | lighweight dir app protocol crap |
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| 19:59.05 | vilemaxim | dareth: I figure it has somehting to do with the hash... maybe |
| 19:59.05 | dareth | Vaguely remember you specifying the auth mech, in order of pref. |
| 19:59.19 | dareth | did you remove old auth method when you did ldap? |
| 19:59.19 | vilemaxim | dareth: yeah... in pam.d |
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| 19:59.36 | vilemaxim | dareth: No just added ldap. |
| 19:59.50 | dareth | nothing about failure to login in logs? |
| 20:00.00 | enouf | er /etc/pam.d/* might be helpful |
| 20:00.29 | enouf | common_auth or whatever |
| 20:00.36 | schme | ?? |
| 20:00.50 | enouf | !troutsmite schme |
| 20:00.50 | dpkg | "($1): <action> slaps $1 around a bit with a large trout" |
| 20:00.52 | schme | THE_GFR|WORK: If the GUI is so darned important just run X over ssh. |
| 20:00.59 | schme | goes back to idling. |
| 20:01.14 | enouf | schme: no .. help, it' |
| 20:01.21 | enouf | s a USB UPS issue |
| 20:01.37 | schme | enouf: I know shit about his or hers UPS problem :) |
| 20:01.41 | vilemaxim | dareth: nothing from slapd |
| 20:02.11 | dareth | check out syslog too |
| 20:02.30 | vilemaxim | dareth: sorry... my slapd lofs goes to syslog |
| 20:02.34 | vilemaxim | logs |
| 20:03.05 | vilemaxim | I think it thinks everything is ok. I think it is on the pam side of life |
| 20:03.15 | vilemaxim | it = slapd |
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| 20:03.45 | enouf | schme: well . then fix their vnc mess .. yeah |
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| 20:04.58 | enouf | employs slay |
| 20:05.26 | schme | vnc mess? |
| 20:05.33 | THE_GFR|WORK | yea |
| 20:05.34 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyway |
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| 20:05.48 | schme | ssh -X ? |
| 20:05.55 | schme | ./gui-app |
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| 20:06.04 | schme | shrugs. |
| 20:06.08 | schme | I must get back to the wife :) |
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| 20:12.14 | orgthingy | hi |
| 20:12.23 | orgthingy | i want to view binary files, any good programs? |
| 20:12.28 | orgthingy | binary as in 01010100101010110101.... |
| 20:12.30 | orgthingy | not "hex" |
| 20:13.06 | stoned | why |
| 20:13.07 | enouf | strings |
| 20:13.19 | orgthingy | because i love binary :P |
| 20:13.20 | orgthingy | heh |
| 20:13.31 | enouf | xxd |
| 20:13.46 | enouf | hexdump |
| 20:13.55 | enouf | always the 3rd |
| 20:14.02 | XLV | orgthingy, xvi32 |
| 20:14.20 | Hazelesque | Ryo Hoshino's The Third? |
| 20:14.36 | orgthingy | thanks |
| 20:14.44 | XLV | and thats for windows while i am in a linux channel.. ;-) sorry |
| 20:14.47 | enouf | no, when i give 3 choices, they always only try the 3rd one |
| 20:15.06 | enouf | which is 3rd on the list .. for areason |
| 20:15.25 | Hazelesque | enouf: My nose itches... should I try calamine lotion, anti-histamines, or lopping my head off? |
| 20:15.35 | orgthingy | XLV : exactly |
| 20:15.36 | enouf | then they complain about only the 3rd choice |
| 20:16.11 | enouf | Hazelesque: well, if you choose your 3rd choice, you won't be complaining much :-) |
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| 20:16.16 | Hazelesque | enouf: heh |
| 20:16.26 | Hazelesque | actually, my nose doesn't itch, but I do have a splitting headache |
| 20:16.32 | Hazelesque | how about trepanning? |
| 20:17.29 | chemist | you might as well put a hole in your head |
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| 20:18.59 | assasukasse | it is possible to send two commands with ssh this way? ssh -f user@host 'first command; second command'?? |
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| 20:20.21 | zophy | what linux program do i use to open an adobe pdx file ? |
| 20:21.15 | \amethyst | zophy: what's PDX? |
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| 20:21.28 | XLV | pdf |
| 20:21.29 | maligor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.29 | \amethyst | oh "acrobat catalog index" ? |
| 20:21.31 | zophy | adobe pdf index file |
| 20:21.46 | maligor | unless poppler can read them |
| 20:22.04 | zophy | yep |
| 20:22.24 | lunartear | where do i need to modify so pgup, pgdn, end, home work on my terminal in manpages, less, vim, etc..? |
| 20:22.57 | \amethyst | lunartear: what does echo $TERM say? |
| 20:23.11 | lunartear | vt100 |
| 20:23.18 | \amethyst | lunartear: and what text appears when you press ctrl-v pgup |
| 20:23.19 | \amethyst | ? |
| 20:23.48 | \amethyst | lunartear: what terminal are you using? Surely you don't have a real vt100 plugged into your serial port? :) |
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| 20:24.20 | lunartear | remote ssh bash session |
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| 20:24.42 | \amethyst | lunartear: from where? |
| 20:24.59 | \amethyst | lunartear: putty? from a Linux console? from an xterm? |
| 20:25.10 | \amethyst | lunartear: there's a terminal, eventually, that you're sitting in front of |
| 20:25.40 | lunartear | this particular one is securecrt, let me check from another linux console |
| 20:26.24 | \amethyst | lunartear: securecrt might not be able to send pageup, end, home, etc |
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| 20:27.17 | \amethyst | lunartear: the vt100 didn't have pgup/pgdown/home/end |
| 20:27.26 | lunartear | no it is able to. It seems to be working fine from another linux console.. must have lost a default setting for this connection in securecrt sorry |
| 20:27.39 | \amethyst | lunartear: you'll need a different TERM |
| 20:27.47 | enouf | !shoot securecrt |
| 20:27.47 | dpkg | blows securecrt away with a German Luger |
| 20:27.55 | lunartear | agree |
| 20:27.56 | lunartear | lol |
| 20:28.03 | lunartear | was drivin me crazy |
| 20:28.04 | \amethyst | lunartear: I don't know which one securecrt conforms to, but vt100 doesn't have the keys you want :) |
| 20:28.41 | chemist | blist |
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| 20:28.48 | \amethyst | lunartear: what text does ctrl-v pgup insert at the prompt (logging in through securecrt) |
| 20:28.52 | \amethyst | ? |
| 20:29.26 | lunartear | it moves the buffer up one line is all |
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| 20:29.58 | \amethyst | lunartear: then securecrt isn't sending pgup right now |
| 20:30.04 | \amethyst | lunartear: you'll have to reconfigure it |
| 20:30.11 | slak | hey guys i removed /etc/samba and did dpkg --purge samba, and now i cant seem to reinstall it sucessfully |
| 20:30.14 | slak | can someone help |
| 20:30.25 | slak | dpkg: error processing samba (--configure): |
| 20:30.25 | dpkg | slak: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:30.51 | lunartear | \amethyst yeah i said it must have dropped that config for some reason.. I put it back to a different terminal :) |
| 20:30.58 | \amethyst | slak: you probably need to purge samba-common as well |
| 20:31.03 | slak | thaks |
| 20:31.20 | slak | how do i ignore deps |
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| 20:32.05 | Supaplex | !tell slak -about confmiss |
| 20:32.24 | Supaplex | slak: failing that, do as dpkg suggests and offer a pastebin link |
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| 20:33.36 | slak | doesnt work |
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| 20:33.50 | slak | same error with "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install samba" |
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| 20:35.54 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 20:35.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:36.11 | DaRtHo | how can i use a filter to find damage package ? |
| 20:36.26 | Supaplex | DaRtHo: see debsums |
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| 20:36.39 | DaRtHo | debsums ? |
| 20:37.07 | slak | ok I need to force the removal of samba-common |
| 20:37.08 | slak | ignore the deps |
| 20:37.12 | slak | and immediately resinstall it |
| 20:37.13 | slak | along with sambva |
| 20:37.21 | Supaplex | !debsums |
| 20:37.21 | dpkg | [debsums] a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
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| 20:38.03 | Supaplex | slak: why removal? |
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| 20:38.25 | shovi | which nvidia should i get |
| 20:38.55 | Supaplex | depends on the hardware. legacy or not. /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 20:39.28 | \amethyst | slak: you might be better off reinstalling samba-common with dpkg -i --force-confmiss samba-common-version.deb |
| 20:39.40 | \amethyst | slak: you can find the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 20:40.04 | \amethyst | slak: I'm assuming the problem is that you deleted /etc/samba and now you can't get the default versions of the files back |
| 20:40.18 | DaRtHo | Supaplex, i mean, i am looking for a damage package with apt-get :) |
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| 20:40.40 | \amethyst | !confmiss > slak |
| 20:40.54 | DaRtHo | and another question, the command to force with dpkg is dpkg --force-all purge ? |
| 20:40.57 | \amethyst | err, that's not right is it? |
| 20:41.01 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 20:41.01 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 20:41.41 | slak | \amethyst: you're right |
| 20:41.57 | shovi | ok i got nvidia-glx |
| 20:42.02 | shovi | how do i configure it or whatever |
| 20:42.26 | slak | \amethyst: "chmod: cannot access `/etc/samba/smb.conf': No such file or directory" |
| 20:42.33 | slak | when i run that |
| 20:42.41 | slak | samba package was also "purged" |
| 20:43.10 | \amethyst | slak: hm. |
| 20:43.25 | slak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.25 | slak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.33 | slak | when i try to do that same line for samba |
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| 20:45.12 | slak | heh |
| 20:45.26 | slak | i hate problems like this |
| 20:45.40 | \amethyst | slak: try cp /usr/share/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf and try again |
| 20:46.08 | slak | cool |
| 20:46.09 | slak | worked |
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| 20:50.05 | shovi | is envy in packafge manager |
| 20:50.41 | Supaplex | shovi: as a feature, or a package itself? (What's envy) |
| 20:50.49 | craigevil | ubuntu crap thats what it is |
| 20:50.50 | shovi | envy finds the right graphics driver |
| 20:50.52 | shovi | and installs it |
| 20:51.09 | Supaplex | !tell shovi -about setup x |
| 20:51.19 | shovi | i just installed nvidia-glx |
| 20:51.21 | shovi | and kernal |
| 20:51.22 | orgthingy | its linux mint crap, actually |
| 20:51.23 | orgthingy | not ubuntu |
| 20:51.24 | shovi | idk how to use it |
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| 20:51.49 | orgthingy | idk? |
| 20:51.54 | orgthingy | i thought this is IRC not IM |
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| 20:52.06 | shovi | i thought this was the internet, not school |
| 20:52.07 | craigevil | orgthingy: same difference , mint is ubuntu |
| 20:52.12 | orgthingy | shovi : type this command "vi INSTALL" |
| 20:52.22 | orgthingy | craigevil : thats one of differences mint added to ubuntu |
| 20:52.26 | themill | orgthingy: from the envy website: "Envy" is an application for Ubuntu Linux and Debian |
| 20:52.27 | shovi | vi install? |
| 20:52.30 | orgthingy | ubuntu is crap; mint is even worse |
| 20:52.34 | orgthingy | shovi : no, vi INSTALL |
| 20:52.45 | shovi | whats that for |
| 20:52.46 | orgthingy | first, use "cd /where/drivers/is/in" |
| 20:52.50 | orgthingy | then do "vi INSTALL" |
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| 20:53.02 | orgthingy | shovi : documentation on how to install |
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| 20:53.33 | orgthingy | themill : but ubuntu doesnt like envy |
| 20:53.40 | orgthingy | mint has it preinstalled :P |
| 20:53.43 | themill | orgthingy: tell them, not us. |
| 20:53.53 | shovi | envy worked when i used it on ubuntu |
| 20:53.55 | shovi | with this comp |
| 20:54.04 | Supaplex | well use ubuntu or do it the debian way |
| 20:54.05 | shovi | after hours of not being able to get drivers to work |
| 20:54.07 | shovi | thus i like it |
| 20:54.34 | themill | orgthingy: envy is in the ubuntu universe repos. |
| 20:54.46 | orgthingy | themill : use !envy trigger in #ubuntu |
| 20:54.52 | orgthingy | see the lovely welcoming message that bot says :P |
| 20:55.01 | orgthingy | they dont like it at all, but solves some people's problems |
| 20:55.10 | orgthingy | themill : because they dont want users to complain about compiling |
| 20:55.17 | themill | orgthingy: that just means that the people in #ubuntu don't like it. It doesn't mean that it was written for linux mint. |
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| 20:55.35 | orgthingy | themill : i didnt say it "was written for" |
| 20:55.42 | orgthingy | i said that ubuntu doesnt like it |
| 20:55.47 | orgthingy | "last choice" in other words |
| 20:55.51 | orgthingy | it says it makes problems..etc |
| 20:55.54 | orgthingy | and not recommended at all |
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| 20:56.08 | themill | orgthingy: [20:51] <orgthingy> its linux mint crap, actually |
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| 20:56.41 | orgthingy | themill : linux mint's * |
| 20:56.42 | orgthingy | sorry |
| 20:57.04 | themill | sounds fair. |
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| 20:57.25 | orgthingy | anyhow, shovi, why did you switch to debian anyway? |
| 20:57.28 | trifler | Hello any tips on how to check if the microphone works on your system? |
| 20:57.39 | orgthingy | trifler : try it |
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| 20:58.05 | orgthingy | there's a program for it in Sounds and video GNOME menu |
| 20:58.25 | trifler | orgthingy: :) Well I've got skype installed but not more testing ability then that, that I know off. |
| 20:58.40 | themill | trifler: skype has a skype test call facility |
| 20:58.49 | orgthingy | trifler : there should be recording program in sounds and video @ menu |
| 20:59.03 | themill | trifler: call the user "echo123" from within skype |
| 20:59.20 | orgthingy | you may want to go to skype's preferences to change settings if needed |
| 20:59.44 | orgthingy | since one DEB for both ubuntu (pulse-audio) and debian (doesnt use pulseaudio) |
| 20:59.45 | trifler | themill: It doesn't work. That's why im asking for another way to test. |
| 20:59.56 | trifler | themill: Doesn't work in skype. |
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| 21:00.41 | orgthingy | trifflier ; how's microphone connected? |
| 21:00.43 | orgthingy | usb? what? |
| 21:00.51 | themill | trifler: ahh... that's useful information. Have you toggled the appropriate mutes/levels/capture switches in alsamixer? |
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| 21:01.02 | trifler | orgthingy: No ordinary plug into the side of my laptop. |
| 21:01.12 | orgthingy | trifler |
| 21:01.19 | orgthingy | themill : whats the "lsusb" for "normal plug" ? |
| 21:01.32 | FraZek | http://EXgirl007.myhotpicss.com/?id=d40cd678 |
| 21:01.34 | FraZek | http://EXgirl007.myhotpicss.com/?id=d40cd678 |
| 21:01.41 | kingsley | Which package, if any, distributes processes across a local network, is a daemon, and doesn't require applications to be recompiled? |
| 21:01.41 | orgthingy | oh god |
| 21:01.47 | orgthingy | !kick FraZek |
| 21:01.47 | dpkg | kicks FraZek in the crotch. |
| 21:01.48 | themill | FraZek: please go away |
| 21:01.53 | orgthingy | i mean real kick :P |
| 21:02.29 | trifler | themill: I've toggled capture to <MIC> and raised the mic and mic boost to the max. |
| 21:02.30 | orgthingy | nice |
| 21:02.38 | enouf | kingsley: we don't answer Homework questions |
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| 21:03.10 | pu289 | ciao |
| 21:03.12 | themill | kingsley: condor can do that but it can't do sensible checkpointing if you don't recompile things. |
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| 21:03.13 | trifler | orgthingy: I don't know what that means. "lsusb" for normal plug thing you asked that is. |
| 21:03.31 | orgthingy | trifler : lsusb would show whats plugged into usb |
| 21:03.40 | orgthingy | but i dunno whats the name of command for "normal plug" |
| 21:03.44 | trifler | orgthingy: It isen't a usb microphone. |
| 21:03.45 | orgthingy | ordinary one |
| 21:03.52 | kingsley | themill: Is condor packaged? |
| 21:03.54 | orgthingy | i know, thats why im asking, trifler |
| 21:03.56 | trifler | orgthingy: Aha okey then i understand. |
| 21:04.00 | orgthingy | :-) |
| 21:04.01 | trifler | orgthingy: Got it. |
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| 21:05.11 | enouf | what's with the bottle of Windex FraZek? |
| 21:06.41 | THE_GFR|WORK | hey uh enouf I got it working because the config was wrong and I had to tell it the device was on SDB5 |
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| 21:07.07 | enouf | you mean /dev/sdb5 ? |
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| 21:07.47 | trifler | Think I got the microphone to work. I guess I missed one of the "captures" under alsamixer. |
| 21:08.13 | trifler | Always seems to work to come here to cry a little to get things to work :) |
| 21:08.30 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: yes!!! :D |
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| 21:08.49 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: that's why I was asking about it! |
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| 21:10.18 | THE_GFR|WORK | enouf: so now I need a UI to monitor it |
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| 21:11.28 | Supaplex | I assume <alsa checklist> passes? |
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| 21:11.49 | themill | kingsley: not that I know of |
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| 21:12.32 | doti | hello, what i need to play videos in console? when i try mplayer says that there isn't a working vidix driver |
| 21:12.48 | ryanCH | okay, i changed the boot paremeters in GRUB menu.lst file, but when GRUB loads i have to remove the " |
| 21:13.04 | ryanCH | "savedefault" option from the list in boot in order for it to boot linux |
| 21:13.06 | ryanCH | why is this? |
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| 21:13.51 | THE_GFR|WORK | anyone know of a good UI for monitoring UPS's on debian? |
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| 21:17.33 | linux_stu | i just installed virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-486 with it. when i try to do 'sudo modprobe vboxdrv', i get this error: 'FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.' |
| 21:17.38 | linux_stu | is there something else i need to do? |
| 21:18.30 | pickcoder | for some reason 4.0r4 won't install the base system |
| 21:19.23 | zophy | what's the prefix for the virgin islands ? |
| 21:19.33 | Lagbolt | linux_stu, what modules are included in that package? "dpkg -L virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.26-1-486" . . . also are you using 486 kernel? what does "uname -a" give? |
| 21:19.50 | zophy | i heard the guy, but didn't copy the call |
| 21:19.58 | linux_stu | Lagbolt, i think that's the problem. i had just noticed that uname -a shows 686 |
| 21:20.11 | Lagbolt | :) linux_stu that will do it. you have to match your kernel |
| 21:20.16 | linux_stu | yep, that fixed it. |
| 21:20.26 | linux_stu | thanks |
| 21:20.32 | Lagbolt | anytime |
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| 21:24.13 | dfrank | Hello All! Tell me pleaze: I have one mysql process that becomes zombie (I see it in top). How do I know, what query it was? thanx |
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| 21:27.56 | Guerin | dfrank: check your mysql logs? |
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| 21:28.24 | jey_ | elo all |
| 21:29.22 | dfrank | Guerin: but in lig this query will not marked anyhow |
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| 21:29.28 | dfrank | *in log |
| 21:29.41 | cafuego | How do you know it was caused by a specific query? |
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| 21:30.26 | dfrank | cafuego: What another caces? This is a query that was made from an php script |
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| 21:30.37 | dfrank | *cases |
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| 21:31.09 | cafuego | You mean you *think* the problem was caused by a query from a php script? |
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| 21:31.15 | cafuego | I' |
| 21:31.34 | cafuego | d turn on the slow_query_log, that might catch some problematic ones. |
| 21:31.42 | cafuego | And fix the mysql cfg |
| 21:32.56 | dfrank | cafuego: thanx. Maybe it's any way to limit max execution time for any process ? |
| 21:33.09 | cafuego | dfrank: In php, yes. |
| 21:33.28 | cafuego | dfrank: In mysql, not so much. You log the problematic queries and then fix them. |
| 21:33.44 | zophy | if my 20 meter skip lands upon water is it reflected or absorbed ? |
| 21:33.52 | cafuego | zophy: yes |
| 21:34.09 | zophy | oops, wrong channel ! |
| 21:35.10 | EugenMayer | when i do prerouting, can i changed the port it will get routed too ? |
| 21:35.39 | cafuego | EugenMayer: yes |
| 21:35.56 | EugenMayer | which switch would that be? |
| 21:36.09 | cafuego | -j DNAT --to-address ip:port |
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| 21:36.29 | cafuego | (I think) |
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| 21:37.29 | Supaplex | if port is unspecified, it's identical. this allows -m tcp -p tcp --dport 1024:60000 to pass through. |
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| 21:40.59 | EugenMayer | cafuego: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 8081 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.128:80 |
| 21:41.07 | EugenMayer | do i need something else to be able to preroute? |
| 21:41.31 | EugenMayer | all i want is to fowarward the port 8081 to a different ip |
| 21:41.35 | cafuego | EugenMayer: I tend to add a -i and/or a -s as well, to make sur it doesn't match the wrong connections. |
| 21:41.50 | streuner | http://www.py-shop.com/7.jpg |
| 21:41.58 | streuner | what kind of car is this? |
| 21:42.12 | cafuego | any ugly car |
| 21:42.41 | EugenMayer | cafuego: i is for interface or, so -i eth0 |
| 21:42.47 | streuner | must be somebody who swimming usually with sharks near west cost of .au :-P |
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| 21:43.05 | cafuego | streuner: sharks are tasty, didn't you know? |
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| 21:43.20 | cafuego | EugenMayer: yah, that way it won't do lo traffic. |
| 21:43.31 | streuner | cafuego: fuck, other way :-P |
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| 21:43.59 | cafuego | streuner: No, fish & chips here comes with potato and shark |
| 21:44.13 | cafuego | streuner: only fair if the beasties get a go from time to time as well |
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| 21:44.54 | flokuehn | streuner: looks like an alfa romeo |
| 21:44.58 | EugenMayer | cafuego: hmm, do i need to open the port also ? |
| 21:45.23 | cafuego | EugenMayer: You need to ACCEPT data to it, yes. I don' |
| 21:45.28 | cafuego | t know what "opening a port" is. |
| 21:45.38 | EugenMayer | accepting it, yes |
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| 21:46.47 | EugenMayer | cafuego: seems not to happen. 10.0.0.128:80 should be a httpd server listening. The request never gets there |
| 21:46.49 | blademaner | hi |
| 21:47.06 | TheWanderer | Hi. Do you, by any chance, know what "Objective-C compiler not installed on this system" means or how I should try to track it down and bugsquash? |
| 21:47.07 | EugenMayer | cafuego: DNAT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:tproxy to:10.0.0.128:80 |
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| 21:50.18 | cafuego | TheWanderer: it means that you don't have an Objective-C compiler installed on the system. |
| 21:50.27 | cafuego | EugenMayer: Hmmm. |
| 21:50.38 | EugenMayer | cafuego: the server is listening |
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| 21:51.26 | TheWanderer | cafuego: I see it thinks I do not have an objc compiler. Now how do I claim I do have one? O.o |
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| 21:52.06 | cafuego | TheWanderer: Installing one would be a start |
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| 21:52.27 | cafuego | EugenMayer: Are you testing with data coming from an allowed IP and via the correct network interface? |
| 21:52.30 | TheWanderer | cafuego: already in place... any clues on where the whole thing looks for it? |
| 21:52.46 | cafuego | TheWanderer: "The whole thing" ? |
| 21:52.50 | EugenMayer | cafuego: yes |
| 21:53.12 | cafuego | EugenMayer: Is IP forwarding enabled? |
| 21:53.15 | TheWanderer | cafuego: make and gcc's processed files |
| 21:53.34 | cafuego | TheWanderer: You're compiling gcc? |
| 21:53.43 | EugenMayer | cafuego: hmm how to do this :/ |
| 21:53.51 | TheWanderer | cafuego: kindof |
| 21:54.19 | cafuego | EugenMayer: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 21:55.33 | EugenMayer | sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 21:55.34 | EugenMayer | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 21:55.41 | EugenMayer | cafuego: do i need to restart the network ? |
| 21:55.44 | cafuego | TheWanderer: Can I suggesting compiling gcc without knowing how to fix a compiling problem is not a great idea? |
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| 21:56.26 | cafuego | EugenMayer: Nope,. should be OK now. |
| 21:56.47 | TheWanderer | cafuego: It is not. I guess if it could locate my current objc compiler, it would go better, though. |
| 21:57.07 | EugenMayer | cafuego: not working :/ |
| 21:57.13 | cafuego | That's a matter of checking the configuration or build script and seeing what it does. |
| 21:57.53 | cafuego | EugenMayer: Are the FORWARD tables allowing data through? |
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| 21:58.14 | EugenMayer | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 21:58.15 | EugenMayer | target prot opt source destination |
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| 21:58.41 | cafuego | Hmm.. have aread of the DNAt HOWTO (/usr/share/doc/iptables/html) and see if I forgot anything |
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| 21:58.58 | newsense | opinions on tripwire ? |
| 21:59.10 | newsense | good ids or is there something better ? |
| 21:59.36 | cafuego | newsense: Can be useful. However, you'll usually noice an intrusion because rootkits deployed by morons would be crashing services. |
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| 22:00.16 | newsense | lmao, sounds good than just wanted to get a second opinion, have all data backed up and thinking of implementing tripwire ona fresh install |
| 22:00.33 | cafuego | newsense: I run it on a bunch of Vms... does an reasonable job. |
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| 22:00.56 | EugenMayer | cafuego: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -s 192.168.0.0/16 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:01.11 | EugenMayer | cafuego: is such an POSTROUTING important? |
| 22:01.30 | cafuego | EugenMayer: That would depend on your routing/network setup |
| 22:01.59 | cafuego | EugenMayer: If the target box doens't know how to route to the network the connection came from, it will indeed just "not work" |
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| 22:03.03 | EugenMayer | cafuego: i added iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 10.0.0.0/16 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:03.32 | EugenMayer | cafuego: that also does not give me the needed result. Iam forwarding to an vmware-server which himself uses NAT |
| 22:03.38 | cafuego | I don't know your ntwork layout, so I cna't tell you if that;s going to change anything |
| 22:05.29 | newsense | i use rkhunter now and its been good to me but i want more ! |
| 22:05.29 | newsense | cafuego, harden package is nice heh |
| 22:05.36 | EugenMayer | cafuego: network is, host system has an interface eth0 72.xx.xx.xx, and vmnet08 with 10.0.0.1 / guest system is on 10.0.0.128 and is reachable through the host-system net |
| 22:05.40 | newsense | cafuego, any ideas on how much space a tripwire db may consume by default on a default debian install, would like to move the db to non writable media, jut want to make sure i have the right size media |
| 22:05.47 | newsense | got a 128mb sd card i was hoping may do the trick, but i have other options if i need more space |
| 22:05.57 | cafuego | Stick selinux on if you're desperate for a hardened install |
| 22:06.31 | newsense | cafuego, selinux is a kernel patch correct ? |
| 22:06.42 | newsense | ive heard of it in my readings |
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| 22:06.59 | cafuego | newsense: Mine are under 1Mb. |
| 22:07.14 | newsense | cafuego, cool thanks, think ill do selinux and tripwire |
| 22:07.19 | cafuego | newsense: It's not a kernel patch, it's been in mainline for some years now. |
| 22:07.35 | newsense | cafuego, i need to compile my own kernel to use selinux correct ? |
| 22:07.41 | newsense | ahh ok good |
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| 22:08.08 | newsense | ill double check my backups and runa fresh install than |
| 22:08.27 | newsense | ids on an old install would be pointless from what ive gathered |
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| 22:08.55 | cafuego | Your backups run daily, right |
| 22:09.14 | newsense | no i did it manually |
| 22:09.26 | newsense | saving up for backup media actually |
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| 22:09.33 | newsense | got no disk space for it right now |
| 22:09.37 | cafuego | Ypu'll need to automate that on a production box, do daily backups of changed files, stuff like that. |
| 22:09.52 | cafuego | newsense: Disk space is cheaper than angry customers. |
| 22:09.58 | newsense | im planning on a backup server in the next week or so :() |
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| 22:10.20 | newsense | this is all personal actually |
| 22:10.26 | cafuego | right |
| 22:10.33 | EugenMayer | cafuego: any idea? :/ |
| 22:10.35 | newsense | kind of been ignorant twords my personal systems |
| 22:10.42 | cafuego | EugenMayer: Nope... not really. |
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| 22:12.01 | newsense | cafuego, thanks for the advise btw i appreciate it, any other useful apps or packages you might recommend ? already planning on implementing selinux logcheck and tripwire after fresh install |
| 22:12.16 | newsense | along with modifying some file permissions and such |
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| 22:12.25 | cafuego | newsense: Regular backups. |
| 22:12.42 | Kobaz | is there a way to get more info from a package install |
| 22:12.43 | Kobaz | Setting up tzdata (2008i-3) ... |
| 22:12.43 | Kobaz | dpkg: error processing tzdata (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:12.43 | dpkg | kobaz: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 22:13.12 | Kobaz | i wanna see why the script died... without having to extra it from the package manually and futz with it |
| 22:13.13 | newsense | cafuego, already looked into rsync and i plan on a backup server, got the udev rule and script all ready, just need to modify the script after i setup the backup server :) |
| 22:13.44 | cafuego | newsense: rsync doesn't do snapshots by itself; have a look at rsnapshot or rdiff-backup. |
| 22:13.52 | newsense | ude rule for my removable media that is, planning on backing that up too :) |
| 22:14.19 | newsense | cafuego, if your ever in the chicago area i owe ya a beer |
| 22:14.40 | cafuego | doesn't seem likely in the foreseeable future |
| 22:14.45 | newsense | a little reassurance goes a long wsy for me :) |
| 22:15.16 | Kobaz | hmm, i found some debugging options to dpkg... |
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| 22:15.38 | cafuego | Kobaz: it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info - add a 'set -x' to the top. |
| 22:16.21 | Kobaz | cafuego: k |
| 22:16.40 | cafuego | Of course, you seem to have not done what dpkg asked. |
| 22:17.09 | Kobaz | cafuego: i'm just installing tzdata |
| 22:17.18 | cafuego | 22:12 < dpkg> kobaz: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 22:17.23 | Kobaz | cafuego: dpkg -i tzdata_2008i-3_all.deb |
| 22:17.25 | Kobaz | cafuego: yeah i know |
| 22:17.32 | Kobaz | cafuego: but there isnt anything useful in the output |
| 22:17.54 | cafuego | Not useful to *you* |
| 22:18.19 | Kobaz | cafuego: yeah i know about /var/lib/dpkg/info, but those are the current install/rm scripts... arent they? |
| 22:18.22 | EugenMayer | how would i log / control / see what happens with an requesting coming in from port 8090 ? |
| 22:18.27 | Kobaz | cafuego: heh, i assure you, it's not useful |
| 22:19.21 | cafuego | EugenMayer: You could insert some LOG rules in the firewall, to see if packets are doing where they're supposed to go. |
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| 22:20.40 | Kobaz | cafuego: http://pastebin.ca/1298591 if you're interested |
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| 22:22.11 | cafuego | cannot access pastebin.ca due to ipv6 issues |
| 22:22.37 | Supaplex | cafuego: delete the ipv6 address(es) on your nic. |
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| 22:22.55 | Kobaz | cafuego: aww |
| 22:23.09 | newsense | cafuego, which selinux pakage do you use ? |
| 22:23.09 | cafuego | Supaplex: My end is fine, thank you. |
| 22:23.14 | cafuego | newsense: I don't use it. |
| 22:23.39 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/m5f30d67d |
| 22:23.44 | newsense | oh ok sorry |
| 22:23.44 | Kobaz | pastebin.ca is really slow these days |
| 22:23.57 | Supaplex | rafb.net ftw? :) |
| 22:24.03 | cafuego | pastebin.ca is defaulting to ipv6, but their ipv6 conn is probably down |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | paste.debian.net ? |
| 22:24.55 | cafuego | Kobaz: Ok, 'set -x' it is, then |
| 22:25.14 | cafuego | You're not out of disk space, are you? |
| 22:25.26 | EugenMayer | cafuego: with tcpdump i could analyze, that the package reaches the guest system on port 80, so like desired. but somehow the apache server is not responding |
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| 22:25.41 | EugenMayer | cafuego: while i get a answer when using lynx 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:25.47 | Kobaz | oh wow |
| 22:25.51 | Kobaz | set -x is awesome |
| 22:25.57 | Kobaz | cafuego: :) |
| 22:26.01 | JordiGH | If I have an etch cd from about 1.5 years ago, and I want to get etchnhalf, should I download a new cd? |
| 22:26.32 | abrotman | no |
| 22:26.36 | Kobaz | dev/hda 567711 558300 0 100% / |
| 22:26.37 | Kobaz | :) |
| 22:26.48 | Kobaz | time to shut down the vm and add more space |
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| 22:27.09 | JordiGH | Okay, will the installer be smart enough to get a 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 22:27.18 | JordiGH | or whatever. I think etch was 2.6.18 |
| 22:27.30 | Supaplex | JordiGH: only if it's part of etch. yes. |
| 22:27.44 | JordiGH | Supaplex: etchnhalf has a significantly newer webcam... |
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| 22:27.45 | Kobaz | cafuego: i've had a lot of problems upgrading from sarge to a later release... set -x would probably come in handy |
| 22:27.53 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Er, significantly newer Linux. |
| 22:28.07 | Supaplex | JordiGH: well it's not an etchnhalf install cd, right? |
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| 22:28.55 | JordiGH | Supaplex: No, that's my question... abrotman suggests that it doesn't matter. |
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| 22:29.00 | cafuego | Kobaz: Well, awesome for purposes of ([bd]a)sh debugging anyway :-) |
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| 22:29.15 | abrotman | JordiGH: it doesn't .. aptitude update && aptitude search etchnhalf |
| 22:29.19 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 22:29.21 | nzjunky | Hello I'v a question with the e1000 driver and more then 4GB memory. Are there some problems known? (System is etch with kernel 2.6.26) |
| 22:29.37 | Supaplex | JordiGH: you could install the etchnhalf repos after a base install. I'd just burn a new etchnhalf netinst and not worry too much about it. :) media is cheap. |
| 22:29.41 | Kobaz | cafuego: it's always the postinst scripts that fail |
| 22:30.09 | Kobaz | cafuego: like, the init-scripts upgrade... from sysvinit to init-scripts... all hell breaks lose with bunches of circular dependencies |
| 22:30.10 | Supaplex | but abrotman apparently knows a simple way to approach it. enjoy =) |
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| 22:30.21 | ryanCH | i have, g++ 4.1 and gcc 4.1 installed, but when i try to install WINE, it says: "c compiler cannot create exectutables", what is wrong??? |
| 22:30.41 | cafuego | ryanCH: Look at config.log |
| 22:30.43 | ryanCH | * "configuration error" |
| 22:30.46 | Supaplex | ryanCH: install build-essential ? |
| 22:30.50 | cafuego | it exists for a reason. |
| 22:30.53 | Supaplex | !be |
| 22:30.54 | dpkg | methinks be is Belgium, Beryllium or the company who made BeOS. |
| 22:30.57 | ryanCH | ok |
| 22:31.01 | JordiGH | Supaplex: media is cheap; bandwidth isn't. |
| 22:31.22 | abrotman | Supaplex: there are no "etchnhalf repos" |
| 22:31.23 | Supaplex | JordiGH: abrotman wins. follow his ways. |
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| 22:32.33 | JordiGH | My brother wants Linux on his laptop... I'm giving him etch, because I don't want to deal with issues. I was thinking about going for lenny, but I don't want to be troubleshooting shit. |
| 22:32.51 | JordiGH | I wasn't too sure about hardware support, but etchnhalf kernels should be good. |
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| 22:34.36 | JordiGH | Shit, etch cd doesn't recognise ethernet card... |
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| 22:35.54 | EugenMayer | how would i postroute this : "if source is 10.0.0.128 and port 80, send out on port 8090" |
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| 22:36.23 | octoserver | who is in charge of the bot in here? |
| 22:36.32 | Supaplex | dpkg: who owns you? |
| 22:36.33 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 22:36.44 | octoserver | lol |
| 22:37.07 | JordiGH | Hm, looks like I need a Broadcom 590x driver... but this etch cd seems to only hav bcm43xx... |
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| 22:37.52 | ryanCH | Supaplex: here is my config.log: http://pastebin.com/m664b4987 |
| 22:37.58 | pozic | How can I remove a network location in Gnome? |
| 22:38.20 | karikari | EugenMayer: Something like: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.128 -p tcp --sport 80 -j SNAT --to-source <ipaddr>:8090 |
| 22:38.28 | pozic | I am talking about the automatically introduced recently visited network locations. |
| 22:38.44 | ryanCH | Supaplex: it still gives me the error after i install build-essential, also. |
| 22:39.06 | octoserver | dondelelcaro: do I need to create a mysql user and pass for blootbot to use and set the user and pass in blootbot.conf ? |
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| 22:41.07 | Supaplex | octoserver: dondelelcaro may not be here. that's a better ? for some channel more dedicated to that topic. |
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| 22:41.49 | octoserver | is thre a blootbot channel i wonder? |
| 22:42.04 | octoserver | i shall proced to look |
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| 22:42.17 | abrotman | octoserver: /msg alis help |
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| 22:43.24 | JordiGH | Okay, so I need a newer kernel to install... or is there a simple way to just get the tge driver, which apparently didn't ship with 2.6.18 Linux in etch? |
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| 22:44.12 | alex_mayorga | Hi, is there a place to get a .torrent for debian-live-sid ? |
| 22:44.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: try the etchnhalf kernel |
| 22:44.34 | GuilhermeAugusto | Hey, can someone help me boot the Debian installer? |
| 22:44.56 | GuilhermeAugusto | I guess there's a problem with my laptop's hardware. |
| 22:44.58 | JordiGH | abrotman: Can I get that kernel without downlooading an etchnhalf netinst? |
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| 22:45.23 | Supaplex | is there a mini iso for etchnhalf? |
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| 22:45.39 | JordiGH | Supaplex: The netinst is "a mini iso", I guess. :-/ |
| 22:45.52 | Supaplex | JordiGH: mini.iso is less than 10mb |
| 22:46.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: if the system is installed and has networking of some sort, yes |
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| 22:46.50 | legis | JordiGH: if its not a server, use lenny |
| 22:46.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: I could probably install most everything from the DVD, but then I won't have any sort of networking... unless the wireless is miraculously easier to install the wireful. |
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| 22:47.26 | GuilhermeAugusto | Can someone give me a hand? |
| 22:47.27 | JordiGH | legis: I'm not using lenny yet until it's stable. It's not for me, it's for my brother, and I don't want to have to go through the embarrassment of a single freeze or crash (and yes, lenny freezes and crashes). |
| 22:47.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: get a temporary network card |
| 22:47.31 | alex_mayorga | !live |
| 22:47.31 | dpkg | from memory, live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
| 22:47.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: For a laptop? |
| 22:47.39 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: which one did you try? |
| 22:47.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: pcmcia? |
| 22:47.50 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: testing |
| 22:47.51 | Supaplex | ryanCH: see the warning about beta versions http://www.winehq.org/download/deb then /msg dpkg backport eg http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wine&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 22:48.01 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: it doesn't boot at all? |
| 22:48.29 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Nope. |
| 22:48.53 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: which one did you burn, and what's your CPU ? |
| 22:48.56 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: I tried the USB stick, the Windows installer (my laptop came with Vista installed) |
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| 22:49.14 | JordiGH | abrotman: Hrm, yeah, I don't know where to find one of those... Hrm, screw it. I'll get a newer netinst image, do a minimal install, and use this dvd as part of the apt sources. |
| 22:49.26 | abrotman | you don't know where? |
| 22:49.36 | abrotman | how about a computer store? a friend? |
| 22:49.50 | JordiGH | abrotman: Everyone's gone; it's still the holidays, no money. |
| 22:50.37 | th0ger_ | How can i easily play mp3s over my private lan? (some sort of streaming) Any ideas for clients/servers? |
| 22:50.48 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Intel Dual Core T2390 |
| 22:50.55 | abrotman | and which ISO ? |
| 22:51.00 | abrotman | th0ger_: mpd |
| 22:51.00 | streuner | th1: NFS? |
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| 22:51.15 | abrotman | JordiGH: everyone you know is gone? |
| 22:51.24 | streuner | th0ger: NFS? |
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| 22:51.33 | legis | th0ger_: or VLC |
| 22:51.35 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: The dvd |
| 22:51.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah. Whatever. I'll get the etchnhalf netinst. |
| 22:51.44 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: i need a file name |
| 22:51.46 | abrotman | JordiGH: okay |
| 22:51.59 | legis | there's a etchnhalf netinst? |
| 22:52.01 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 22:52.07 | KiDFlaSh | hello |
| 22:52.16 | idanKING | Got 3 digit steam account [] pme with good offer |
| 22:52.24 | KiDFlaSh | i need a package that log the temprature of my cpu |
| 22:52.31 | KiDFlaSh | can you recommend one? |
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| 22:52.47 | streuner | lm-sensors, dunno if its logging |
| 22:52.47 | JordiGH | Intel Celeron isn't 64bit, is it? |
| 22:52.56 | abrotman | JordiGH: he didn't say celeron |
| 22:53.04 | th0ger_ | legis: can vlc do anything special that other media players cant?? |
| 22:53.14 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: you could just grab the netinst FYI |
| 22:53.15 | streuner | KiDFlaSh: lm-sensors logs, but in syslog, IIRC |
| 22:53.16 | GuilhermeAugusto | JordiGH: It's Pentium Dual-Core. It's EM64T. |
| 22:53.17 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm talking about mine. |
| 22:53.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: oh .. no idea |
| 22:53.28 | legis | th0ger_: you can stremm videos too |
| 22:53.34 | legis | *stream |
| 22:53.37 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: I did try. |
| 22:53.39 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: i'd try the i386 netinst |
| 22:53.39 | idanKING | Got 3 digit steam account [] pme with good offer |
| 22:53.48 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: can you boot other CDs ? |
| 22:54.04 | KiDFlaSh | streuner, it is already installed? |
| 22:54.27 | streuner | KiDFlaSh: not by default, just use "dpkg -l lm-sensors" |
| 22:54.28 | andrei | I just upgraded a system from Etch to Lenny, and my keyboard when running X is acting oddly. It spews out garbage instead of characters; although only when I press something, it never does the right thing and is unusable. (I'm asking about the integrity checks not due to a rootkit issue but because I'm wondering if I overwrote a library after I installed, although that's unlikely) |
| 22:54.28 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: I did, too. It doesn't happen only on Debian. I tried FreeBSD, Arch Linux and even Ubuntu. None of them boot. |
| 22:54.39 | JordiGH | What's the difference between the netinst and the business install? I might get the business card install. |
| 22:54.45 | th0ger_ | legis: You mean *recieve* streamed videos? |
| 22:54.46 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Neither i686 nor amd64. |
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| 22:55.24 | abrotman | i386 ... |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: sounds like something is wrong with your BIOS ? |
| 22:55.39 | JordiGH | Intel's webpage seems to suggest the Celeron does do 64bit... but I don't think my brother would care. |
| 22:56.04 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: But I can boot the Windows installer, and Gentoo 2007.0 did work too. |
| 22:56.22 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: But 2008.0 has the same problem. |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: so you don't even get the installer screen? |
| 22:57.23 | legis | th0ger_: yes |
| 22:58.21 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: No. It gets to the bootloader, and it stucks in a black screen. |
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| 22:58.59 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: did you try the "acpi=off noapic" options ? |
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| 22:59.21 | th0ger_ | abrotman, streuner ,legis : Ill go for mdp for now, and just choose some of the many compatible players later. |
| 22:59.28 | idanKING | Got 3 digit steam account [] pme with good offer |
| 22:59.31 | abrotman | mpd |
| 22:59.41 | th0ger_ | abrotman: sure |
| 22:59.43 | GuilhermeAugusto | GuilhermeAugusto: I don't think so. I'll try it. |
| 22:59.46 | abrotman | idanKING: don't spam here |
| 22:59.51 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: good plan |
| 22:59.51 | idanKING | ? |
| 22:59.56 | idanKING | why spam |
| 22:59.56 | idanKING | ? |
| 23:00.00 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Thanks. BRB. |
| 23:00.06 | idanKING | la |
| 23:00.08 | JordiGH | idanKING: You're not talking about Debian. Debian or GTFO |
| 23:00.16 | idanKING | what is debian? |
| 23:00.31 | JordiGH | Operator, someone needs an exit. |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | !tell idanKING about debian |
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| 23:01.59 | Kobaz | cafuego: okay, here's a problem i've run into previously http://pastebin.com/m226593eb mktemp is not a dependency of ssl-cert, it should be |
| 23:02.26 | idanKING | what is it? |
| 23:02.30 | idanKING | like microsfot? |
| 23:03.03 | nsadmin | what is the typical artsd/jack/kde setup and how is it accomplished? first part, how/where/when(wrt kdm login and kde startup) do I start jack? |
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| 23:08.17 | themill | Kobaz: that's not a bug, that's you doing something very very odd with your system. See bug #440645. |
| 23:09.04 | nsadmin | and 440645 is a very very odd number... |
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| 23:10.35 | Kobaz | themill: i didn't do anything out of the ordinary except upgrade from an old release to a newer |
| 23:10.53 | oOarthurOo | nsadmin: I think 80087355 is a odder number |
| 23:10.58 | EugenMayer | i have an apache server i want to reach. he is behind some other linux host, i have SSH connection to. so i ssh so client -> host1 -> host2 . how would i setup a ssh port forward and use the apache server there |
| 23:11.06 | themill | Kobaz: from what to what? |
| 23:11.14 | Kobaz | themill: sarge to the current unstable |
| 23:11.28 | themill | Kobaz: skipping etch and lenny in the process? |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | hahah |
| 23:11.42 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Thanks, it worked. :) |
| 23:11.50 | Kobaz | yeah, i suppose |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: that sucks |
| 23:12.04 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: only one should be needed .. find out which |
| 23:12.50 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Okay. I'm installing it now. |
| 23:13.13 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: Researching why that happens. |
| 23:13.26 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: but the noapic will effectively make it single core ... and the lack of acpi means power saving is essentially shot (among other things) |
| 23:13.31 | themill | Kobaz: that's not exactly recommended... |
| 23:13.36 | Kobaz | heh |
| 23:13.45 | andrei | I just upgraded a system from Etch to Lenny, and my keyboard when running X spews out garbage instead of characters; although only when I press something, it never does the right thing and is unusable. |
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| 23:14.05 | Gigantic | !fr |
| 23:14.05 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:14.42 | nsadmin | pours some coffee for dpkg |
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| 23:14.56 | Gigantic | eww |
| 23:15.13 | GuilhermeAugusto | abrotman: So i definitely need to know which one is need. How worse does the performance get with these options? |
| 23:15.23 | GuilhermeAugusto | * I need |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | GuilhermeAugusto: well .. imagine one CPU :) |
| 23:15.30 | Firestarter- | How do I tell if my system machine has a recent BIOS without the 15MB limitation |
| 23:15.51 | Gigantic | can I get channel help with an accidental Ban in #debian-fr ? |
| 23:15.53 | Gigantic | pls |
| 23:16.06 | abrotman | Gigantic: msg the channel op that banned you .. |
| 23:16.20 | Gigantic | Don't remember the name... was Gi... something |
| 23:16.41 | abrotman | Gniarf |
| 23:16.47 | Gigantic | Giarnaf or something |
| 23:16.51 | Gigantic | that :) ty |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | notes that #debian-fr has banned all of .ie and .it |
| 23:17.44 | abrotman | and .za apparently |
| 23:17.45 | nsadmin | them french dudes don't like redheads? |
| 23:18.08 | abrotman | and .co.uk .. oh well |
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| 23:24.37 | abrotman | guess he got it taken care of |
| 23:25.33 | Firestarter- | How do I tell if my system machine has a recent BIOS without the 15MB limitation |
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| 23:27.28 | scx | uhm... |
| 23:27.57 | scx | and how do I force an IP change from a dhcp server... |
| 23:28.07 | pozic | scx: you can't. |
| 23:28.10 | scx | dhclient doesn't seem to like the idea |
| 23:28.19 | meyou | that would be doing it from the client... |
| 23:28.33 | meyou | i mean, you can make it pull DHCP again, but the server will just hand you the same stuff |
| 23:28.34 | abrotman | Firestarter-: 15MB of what? |
| 23:28.36 | pozic | scx: if you control the dhcp server, then you can do it. |
| 23:28.38 | scx | Well... I can... |
| 23:28.43 | meyou | change your MAC address |
| 23:28.48 | meyou | that will usually get you a fresh IP |
| 23:28.53 | scx | yeah that's an option |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | why do you want a new IP ? |
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| 23:29.04 | Firestarter- | abrotman: sorry was talking about the bios mem for loading kernel? |
| 23:29.05 | meyou | could potentially get you no IP at all depending on how the DHCP server is set up |
| 23:29.26 | scx | but... I mean, to my isp... I can reboot my modem and that's it but there has to be a better way |
| 23:29.30 | abrotman | hasn't heard of this 15MB limit.. whatever it is |
| 23:29.39 | scx | not involving a mac change |
| 23:29.52 | meyou | scx: oh, in that case even a mac change wouldn't help |
| 23:29.59 | meyou | you have to reset your modem and get lucky usually |
| 23:30.18 | abrotman | not likely |
| 23:30.20 | meyou | the lease has to expire before you get a new one |
| 23:30.58 | scx | no no, I am almost sure I will get a new IP, just don't want to reboot the modem... and I know you can send a release signal, the modem has one internally... well another modem that I had |
| 23:31.31 | abrotman | wonders why rebooting the modem is different then releasing/renewing the IP |
| 23:31.31 | scx | also they have the NxTT that release it |
| 23:31.41 | scx | ^ |
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| 23:32.57 | scx | weird too... |
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| 23:33.20 | Firestarter- | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/25011/ Here is a better explanation of what i'm talking about. |
| 23:33.43 | Firestarter- | abrotman: wondering how I would check if my laptop is affected by that |
| 23:34.12 | scx | if I use DMZplus, restarting the network don't get me a new IP, but rebooting the wholse system does |
| 23:34.20 | abrotman | Firestarter-: so how old is the system? (or use grub?) |
| 23:34.31 | themill | Firestarter-: that's a very old limitation |
| 23:34.38 | scx | s/whole |
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| 23:34.43 | abrotman | or just try it |
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| 23:35.57 | Firestarter- | abrotman: I would have to say it's about three years old |
| 23:36.01 | scx | great, I can't even msg the op |
| 23:36.02 | Firestarter- | max |
| 23:36.06 | scx | meh... |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | Firestarter-: so uh .. it says 2001 .. your computer is from 2005 .. i don't see the issue |
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| 23:36.46 | Firestarter- | abrotman: Was just curiouse and wanted to double check. |
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| 23:37.32 | Firestarter- | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:51.01 | Gigantic | feels so sick |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | Gigantic: did you get to the -fr channel? |
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| 23:51.56 | Gigantic | nope... not important at the moment.. |
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| 23:52.06 | Gigantic | I'll be back once my IP release :P |
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