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| 00:01.24 | pobega | Does anyone here use the Elantech touchpad driver? I'm wondering if there is a way to fix the tapping responsiveness -- Currently I need to tap 2~3 times to actually click. (And yes, I'm using updating input-synaptics and Asus-modded gsynaptic) |
| 00:01.33 | va | If purge mysql server together with its configuration and then reinstall it, will i still have my databases? |
| 00:03.36 | abrotman | va: IIRC it asks you at installation time if you would want it to remove the DBs |
| 00:05.58 | pobega | updated, rather. Not updating. |
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| 00:10.21 | basix | it seems my system is / was infected by Linux.RST.B-1. Currently I'm scanning the whole system. I read through the description of this virus and found out that it may infect all ELF files it has write access to. How do I verify that none of the ELF files in /bin/ or such directories have been compromised. The virus infected an unprivileged account. |
| 00:11.02 | Internat | !debsums |
| 00:11.02 | dpkg | hmm... debsums is a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 00:11.19 | abrotman | debsums/chkrootkit |
| 00:11.57 | jamon | rkhunter too, rkhunter > chkrootkit imo |
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| 00:11.57 | themill | if you believe the output of debsums on the infected machine, that is. |
| 00:12.22 | masrawy | Any linux administrators willing to have a remote job which can take some time to complete, such as LVM, RAID1, installing tripwire, and alot more. Please message me for a quote. |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | exactly! |
| 00:12.35 | abrotman | masrawy: debian.org/consultants |
| 00:12.52 | jamon | does it use md5? would be interesting to see a rootkit that uses collisions to fake the checksums :) |
| 00:13.02 | basix | jamon, i ran rkhunter. it says machine is clean |
| 00:13.18 | basix | abrotman, alrighty |
| 00:13.27 | themill | basix: it is clean of the rootkits that it knows about. And how do you know rkhunter isn't lying to you? |
| 00:13.35 | Internat | personally id run all 3.. rkhunter, ckrootkit, and debsums. |
| 00:13.46 | jamon | good, clean from obvious stuff, check user's .bash_history? sloppy haxors don't bother erasing their traces |
| 00:13.48 | themill | jamon: it doesn't have to, it just has to tell you "it's clean" and never check that it is. |
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| 00:14.26 | jamon | themill: i know what you're saying, compromise the binary or hide a process in memory to intercept |
| 00:14.40 | basix | themill, i dont. i'm trying my best to ensure my system isn't compromised. |
| 00:14.42 | jamon | but it would be spiffy indeed to make collisions anyways :) |
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| 00:14.57 | abrotman | i think it's too late |
| 00:15.02 | jamon | basix: last -a? |
| 00:15.02 | themill | jamon: or many other approaches. Collisions would be much harder, as you say. |
| 00:15.16 | basix | jamon, yeah i checked the .bash_history. It seems they instlled some EnerMech IRC bot on the account |
| 00:16.08 | basix | jamon, i didnt check that |
| 00:16.24 | jamon | pretty run of the mill sounding stuff |
| 00:16.37 | themill | who me? |
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| 00:17.20 | jamon | check in /tmp, /var/tmp, /dev/shm too basix in case those tools missed anything |
| 00:17.34 | basix | clamav says everythings okay. it found a few infected files. i deleted them manually. |
| 00:17.39 | jamon | themill: no, the person who installed the bot on basix's box |
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| 00:18.17 | basix | jamon, yes /var/tmp/.a i deleted it. |
| 00:18.23 | jamon | ah gotcha |
| 00:18.27 | themill | jamon: the mill... :P |
| 00:18.33 | jamon | heh :) |
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| 00:19.13 | smacnay | I want to back up a portable usb drive that is Mac hfsplus formatted. Is it better to mount and copy or to use dd to an image? |
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| 00:19.25 | themill | basix: is there a reason why you don't just reformat and reinstall? |
| 00:19.28 | arrenlex | Is there a way I can install a package + all dependencies from experimental? I have it pinned way down to avoid getting updates from it. |
| 00:19.34 | valdyn | smacnay: define better |
| 00:19.44 | basix | clamav does report a /home/basix/.wine/system.reg with JS.Psyme-32 infection. what do i do about that? |
| 00:19.51 | smacnay | valdyn: better for accuracy and for backing up to the same device later on. |
| 00:20.17 | masrawy | Any linux administrators willing to have a remote job which can take some time to complete, such as LVM, RAID1, installing tripwire, and alot more. Please message me for a quote. |
| 00:20.19 | smacnay | valdyn: I believe that the files are mostly iMovie projects folders and such. |
| 00:20.25 | valdyn | smacnay: by file should use less space and allow incremental backups |
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| 00:20.36 | jamon | smacnay: i don't think you can write to hfs+ with the journal, have to turn that off |
| 00:20.40 | basix | themill, its a lot of work and i would want to avoid it. if i see the system is unstable then i have no choice but until now the system seems stable |
| 00:21.11 | smacnay | valdyn: this device will be reformatted to vfat for a while and then formatted back to hfsplus and the backed up files returned to it. |
| 00:21.22 | valdyn | smacnay: sometimes, when you have very many very small files then dd would be alot faster, but not in your case |
| 00:21.45 | smacnay | jamon: I am reading from the hfsplus device but not writing to it. |
| 00:21.49 | themill | arrenlex: you possibly want the pin for expt to be > 500 (with stable even higher) so that you do get updates out of experimental. Use "aptitude -t experimental install foo" to get everything from exptl. |
| 00:21.56 | jelly-home | basix: you seem not to know the entry point and whether only one account was breached or root was |
| 00:22.09 | jamon | smacnay: ah, if you ever want to write, you'll have to disable journal |
| 00:22.16 | themill | basix: it's not about stability, it's about you not becoming the next spam relay for the rest of us. |
| 00:22.17 | smacnay | seems that mounting the device as hfsplus and just copying the files over is working... |
| 00:22.23 | jelly-home | basix: at that point, the only safe thing to do is a clean slate and reinstall |
| 00:22.32 | valdyn | smacnay: dd has no journal either |
| 00:22.38 | valdyn | smacnay: so thats hardly a point |
| 00:22.46 | smacnay | jamon: no, I will not be writing to this device with that fs. I will be formatting it to vfat or some Win-friendly fs. |
| 00:22.57 | jamon | jelly-home: not necessarily the only safe thing |
| 00:23.12 | jamon | just depends on how thoroughly investigated things are |
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| 00:23.26 | smacnay | thanks for the help. I hope this works (for my friend's sake). |
| 00:23.31 | stoned | I am back |
| 00:23.46 | smacnay | wonders how he gets himself into these tasks for friends. |
| 00:24.11 | memnon | b |
| 00:24.11 | jelly-home | jamon: excluding further investigation to clear up any of those points, right |
| 00:24.11 | jamon | e.g. if system is up to date, no evidence of user attempting to gain root, susp. files found and removed, reinstalling versus recreating the user (which I'd recommend at minimum) can be sufficient |
| 00:24.51 | jamon | i'm betting weak password? |
| 00:25.06 | jelly-home | betting is a bad forensic technique |
| 00:25.10 | basix | jelly-home, i'm pretty sure only one account was compromised. i'm not sure if privileges escalated. My system was pretty uptodate and was running the latest kernel custom compiled. i'm pretty sure that there wasn't a vulnerability that could've been exploited. |
| 00:25.10 | themill | jamon: how do you know there's no evidence? how do you know there were no binaries altered? |
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| 00:25.29 | jamon | i don't themill, but it's a matter of the law of diminishing returns |
| 00:25.35 | basix | jamon, yeah - weak password |
| 00:26.09 | CoolCold | strange question |
| 00:26.21 | hachi | hi, I've got an nfs root debian image here |
| 00:26.27 | jamon | anyways, the reinstall versus move on with life debate is endless and had been had a million times, different strokes, different folks |
| 00:26.28 | themill | jamon: not really... if you can't trust the output of ps, top, ls, ... why do you suppose you can know if a box has been hit or not at all. |
| 00:26.33 | CoolCold | did everyone try to build system - linux with XEN and Vista in container? |
| 00:26.36 | hachi | when I install 'nfs-common' on the image |
| 00:26.48 | hachi | during bootup "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" hangs |
| 00:26.56 | hachi | anyone know how I can debug what's going on? |
| 00:27.14 | jamon | themill: it's a great question, i haven't seen a ps, ls, top etc. that don't differ ever so slightly from how they should behave though |
| 00:27.35 | jamon | so usually its easy to tell if they've been altered |
| 00:27.36 | basix | themill, moreover i've been monitoring the traffic going in and out of this machine. nothing odd for sure. |
| 00:27.42 | themill | jamon: how do you know? |
| 00:28.04 | jamon | themill: i don't, in fact, i don't even know if i'm sitting in this chair typing this message to you |
| 00:28.13 | X1938 | smiles |
| 00:28.37 | jamon | but how do you know debian's ps or ls is safe themill? |
| 00:28.48 | jamon | unless you audit the source yourself you don't, and even then |
| 00:28.51 | themill | jamon: they would be altered to just hide one or two processes. Done correctly, you wouldn't know that they had been trojaned. There's no need to get existential about it, it's simply that you're asking a liar if they are lying and then trusting them when they say "no". |
| 00:28.59 | jamon | so again, law of diminishing returns |
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| 00:29.05 | X1938 | check this out |
| 00:29.24 | basix | stop it guys... |
| 00:29.33 | X1938 | some one was trying to apply a joomla exploit on my site |
| 00:29.38 | X1938 | Referring URLhttp://search.msn.co...a&first=21&FORM=PORE Search Enginesearch.msn.com Search Wordsip:209.190.24.10 joomla Visit Entry Pagehttp://example.org/ Visit Exit Page http://example.org/index.php?option=com_user&view=reset&layout=confirm |
| 00:29.44 | jelly-home | basix: make an image of the system and send it to themill! |
| 00:29.47 | X1938 | one problem ! im not using joomla |
| 00:29.55 | X1938 | lmao |
| 00:30.09 | basix | my system seems to be fine...its not doing anything weird :P |
| 00:30.12 | jamon | jelly-home: but he'd just mkfs it :p |
| 00:30.13 | basix | atleast right now... |
| 00:30.40 | jelly-home | ... that's what you think. :-> |
| 00:31.09 | themill | X1938: that's not unusual... you'll probably see Microsoft IIS exploits in your logs too |
| 00:31.19 | jamon | there's a good couple of vmware images floating around with deliberately rootkitted filesystems for practise |
| 00:31.38 | themill | mkfs works nicely on them too |
| 00:31.44 | X1938 | themill , weird how low people can get. |
| 00:32.15 | arrenlex | sees phpmysqladmin hits all the time, despite not even having mysql at all. |
| 00:32.34 | jelly-home | X1938: that's likely not people, but random-ish bots |
| 00:32.49 | themill | gallery2, phpbb, joomla, ... note that it's all crappy php code... |
| 00:33.14 | abrotman | Is there an XML/XSL editor in debian that shows the document tree in a side panel? |
| 00:33.16 | themill | X1938: it's probably basix's cracked machine being used to try to find the next victim. |
| 00:33.30 | X1938 | could be |
| 00:33.39 | X1938 | but the ip was from israel |
| 00:33.43 | basix | themill, excuse me...my machine isn't cracked x-( |
| 00:34.01 | X1938 | and the site is Lebanese. |
| 00:34.16 | themill | basix: sorry, your virus ridden, probably locally exploited, presumably cracked machine. |
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| 00:34.19 | X1938 | "Free Lebanese Web Hosting" |
| 00:34.38 | X1938 | its predefined hate. |
| 00:35.03 | basix | themill, what makes u so sure your machines isn't the one whose doing it?? hmm? |
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| 00:35.46 | zapster | anyone here tried to run debian on a tablet pc? |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:36.02 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
| 00:36.09 | themill | basix: I can't be. But I at least don't know of any current exploits on them that are the start of the road to hell. |
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| 00:36.23 | themill | abrotman: istr kxmleditor wasn't bad and had that sort of view |
| 00:36.29 | zapster | cool |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | themill: but i'd need to install half of kde ? |
| 00:36.43 | basix | themill, well the same applies to me... |
| 00:36.47 | themill | abrotman: nmp |
| 00:37.06 | abrotman | themill: it doesn't appear with apt-cache search xml editor |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | and it's not in lenny |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | !lose themill |
| 00:37.27 | dpkg | themill: You Lose. |
| 00:37.38 | themill | judd: versions kxmleditor |
| 00:37.39 | judd | themill: kxmleditor -- etch: 1.1.4-3.1 |
| 00:37.47 | abrotman | upstream sucks! |
| 00:37.48 | themill | odd... I'm running it right now in lenny.... |
| 00:38.06 | themill | basix: except you don't know that... that's the point |
| 00:38.07 | jelly-home | themill: it's an old trojaned version |
| 00:38.13 | themill | ahh indeed! |
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| 00:40.42 | themill | abrotman: indeed... dead upstream :( it was quite a nice xml editor if you wanted to edit it that way. |
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| 00:41.00 | abrotman | i found a java one .. but it's not packaged |
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| 00:41.17 | abrotman | oh well .. back to vi! :) |
| 00:41.36 | jelly-home | oh dearie me! how can I use nonpackaged software! |
| 00:41.37 | themill | java stuff isn't normally that hard to use if it's not packaced |
| 00:41.44 | nsadmin | I'm trying to locate a segfault where timidity started as an alsa sequencer client dies when qtractor, having tracks connected to the sequencer client created by timidity, quits in response to the user quitting the app |
| 00:41.51 | holycow | anyone here use unetbootin or similar to create a debian boot usb disk? |
| 00:42.22 | nsadmin | what's unetbootin |
| 00:42.22 | basix | themill, i know that. an unprivileged user cant modify any system binaries. basically can't do much except use their own account. my system is running pretty updated. its quite impossible the attacker could've exploited a local exploit ( if at all any existed at the time ) and gained root access to overwrite binaries. But that wasn't the case. I verified this by running clamav and verified the checksums. so i'm pretty sure. |
| 00:42.30 | holycow | i'm trying to install using the debian net install image and it insists on looking for its files on a cdrom instead of the usb disk local mount point .. i'm curious if anyone has experience with this and/or a solution |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh i can .. that's not really the point |
| 00:43.04 | jamon | holycow: unetbootin will work fine |
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| 00:43.14 | holycow | jamon: except it doesn't |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: this was something i was looking for to use at work .. not really a big deal |
| 00:43.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: you can't use J. Random Software App at work? |
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| 00:43.47 | nsadmin | holycow: unetbootin is like grub? or what? |
| 00:43.47 | jamon | haven't had a problem with it here holycow, i assume you're using the latest version from their site? |
| 00:43.47 | holycow | i mean it does what it says it would do ... the net installer is looking for it self on a cdrom device ... i don't get it, it doesn't want to go any further in the install process |
| 00:43.50 | holycow | what did you do? |
| 00:43.53 | holycow | yes |
| 00:44.00 | themill | basix: did you run clamav from trusted media (i.e. a livecd)? did you run debsums from a livecd? if you didn't, you can't trust their output. Local exploits *do* exist even on an up to date system. |
| 00:44.00 | holycow | i'm installing on a machine with no cdrom device of any kind |
| 00:44.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: sure i can, i'm not at work .. |
| 00:44.27 | holycow | its not unetbootin thats the issue, its the deb net install ... what did you do to bypass the cdrom detection? |
| 00:44.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: i'm in charge ... i can use anything i want! :) |
| 00:44.39 | jelly-home | !win abrotman |
| 00:44.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 00:44.55 | nsadmin | so there were two participants? |
| 00:45.22 | X1938 | any idea how to set an ident per user on debian ? |
| 00:45.25 | basix | themill, yes. but i'm pretty sure these guys didn't want root access. they were using it as an IRC relay and an SSH scanning |
| 00:45.28 | jamon | holycow: tbh, i couldn't tell you, i installed this system back in march |
| 00:45.29 | X1938 | ident , as in for irc. |
| 00:45.44 | holycow | jamon: no worries, thx for the help. |
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| 00:45.51 | jelly-home | X1938: install a normal identd? |
| 00:45.52 | nsadmin | jamon: so you didn't have to do anything special? |
| 00:46.02 | jamon | not that i recall |
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| 00:46.27 | holycow | yeah the debian installer insists on looking for it self on a cdrom device |
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| 00:46.37 | themill | basix: see, I'm personally not happy with words like "pretty sure" in this context. If it was a local machine, you could have done the reinstall in the time you were arguing about whether it was worthwhile or not. |
| 00:46.41 | holycow | i don't believe anyone ever installed debian using unetbootin without some modifications |
| 00:46.48 | jamon | then again, i'm just as happy using debootstrap if something doesn't work, so "special" may be something easily forgotten when I'm doing an install |
| 00:47.00 | holycow | i installed ubuntu but i used usb-creator which may have modified something |
| 00:47.03 | themill | abrotman: aptitude search "~Gworks-with-format::xml ~Guse::editing" |
| 00:47.09 | jamon | now i'm curious and gonna have a go with it holycow :) |
| 00:47.26 | X1938 | X1938 : isnt that used just to remove the ~ ? or can i use it to set idents per linux users |
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| 00:47.34 | holycow | jamon: sweet ... if i can sponsor a fix ... if that is appropriate ... i wouyld like to |
| 00:47.36 | X1938 | idents that cant be changed by the users ? |
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| 00:47.47 | X1938 | jelly-home *** |
| 00:47.55 | X1938 | damn i hate when that happens. |
| 00:48.01 | nsadmin | holycow: not many offer that kind of thing... |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | themill: debtags search works-with-format::xml |
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| 00:48.16 | jelly-home | X1938: well, yes to both. |
| 00:48.31 | holycow | nsadmin: debian is too important not to contribute to |
| 00:48.40 | themill | abrotman: or that... but you'll want the editor facet too... works-with-format is a little too broad. |
| 00:48.44 | jamon | holycow: i'm using lenny x86 image, that ok? |
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| 00:49.02 | holycow | i'm using etch ... i doin't know if there is a diff between installers |
| 00:49.07 | jamon | can do amd64 as well |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | themill: i presume debtags can do both .. but i really don't find much except things like bluefish or kate plugins, which AFAIK don't do the tree view |
| 00:49.12 | jamon | ok, i'll try both |
| 00:49.12 | nsadmin | hmm, there might be |
| 00:49.17 | holycow | thats what im using amd64 net install etch |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | themill: http://xpontus.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 00:49.28 | jamon | gonna do lenny first, since that's what this system is and always has been |
| 00:49.33 | basix | themill, well i can't be 100% certain that my DNS hasn't been poisoned if i decide to do a netinst, and i cant be a 100% certain if the servers serving those binaries aren't compromised and I can't be 100% certain that the code accepted in debian repos isn't malware. so i can be only pretty sure. can you be 100% certain? |
| 00:50.08 | masrawy | Any administrators for a remote job on 50+ servers with alot of tasks to be done please message me to discuss prices and quote the job. |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | themill: i can use vim and get the same highlighting i can with bluefish/kate etc .. i was looking for the tree view |
| 00:50.16 | abrotman | masrawy: STOP SPAMMING |
| 00:50.29 | abrotman | this is not a damn job board |
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| 00:51.04 | jelly-home | X1938: you wanted the users to be able to change their ident? |
| 00:51.14 | X1938 | jelly-home : no |
| 00:51.20 | themill | basix: apt has a chain of trust that defeats DNS poisoning so you don't need to worry about that. You have to have trust in something at some stage... my point is that you shouldn't trust something that you suspect to be lying to you (i.e. *if* your local machine had been cracked, of course it would say that it hadn't been, so why even ask it) |
| 00:51.23 | holycow | masrawy: you |
| 00:51.33 | holycow | sorry, you also will want to hire local and hire credible |
| 00:51.36 | holycow | irc is neither |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | holycow: stop already .. |
| 00:51.48 | holycow | stop what? |
| 00:51.52 | masrawy | k sorry. |
| 00:51.55 | abrotman | this is not a damn job board .. |
| 00:52.03 | holycow | what the hell is wrong with you? |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | this is a support channel, he's asking for an employee |
| 00:52.10 | holycow | i'm giving him good resons to stop |
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| 00:52.41 | themill | judd: info conglomerate |
| 00:52.41 | judd | themill: conglomerate (editors): is optional; Version: 0.9.1-3; Size: 256.3k; Installed: 696k -- user-friendly XML editor |
| 00:52.53 | themill | abrotman: ^^ www.conglomerate.org |
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| 00:53.31 | nsadmin | doesn't really understand why you have to approach immediately in such a mean, rude way... I'm not sure you'd try that in person |
| 00:53.55 | basix | themill, exactly, i am not relying on the local machine to tell me... the tools i used to verify are fine and i verified their integrity before i believed them. |
| 00:54.23 | themill | basix: how? when run on the local machine, they will still use the local kernel and local libc. |
| 00:54.28 | stoned | nsadmin, what are you on about? |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | themill: and i don't need half of kde to use it! |
| 00:54.40 | nsadmin | scroll up and see |
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| 00:54.58 | abrotman | just drop it |
| 00:55.05 | nsadmin | it's not worth a clarification... the person involved is smart enough to understand |
| 00:55.08 | themill | abrotman: your loss. A good dose of kde would do you good |
| 00:55.22 | abrotman | themill: yeah .. like arsenic |
| 00:56.02 | basix | themill, like i said, i verified the integrity of the system before i proceeded to use the tools |
| 00:56.12 | themill | basix: how. |
| 00:56.26 | basix | themill, checksums |
| 00:56.27 | stoned | gives themill a questionmark. |
| 00:56.29 | jamon | holycow: so i'm watching the netinstaller for lenny x86 download extra components from ftp.us.debian.org, that far enough in teh process? |
| 00:56.40 | holycow | yes ... what the hell? |
| 00:56.55 | jamon | now i'm at the partitioner |
| 00:56.58 | themill | basix: I presume you mean debsums? how do you know the checksums were being generated and compared correctly? |
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| 00:57.13 | holycow | mine insists on trying to find a cdrom device to load the drivers for everything including network card |
| 00:57.20 | themill | stoned: thanks, I'd used all mine up in this discussion. I don't normally use any... |
| 00:57.25 | holycow | jamon: what happened when yours scanned for the cdrom? |
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| 00:57.44 | jamon | holycow: it wanted me to add ipw firmware, i just skipped it |
| 00:58.01 | nsadmin | holycow: perhaps if you tried again, but this time post every decision you make, and have jamon use the same image and you two stay in sync, you could find out why you're having problems |
| 00:58.01 | jamon | try the most current lenny netinstall, see if that works |
| 00:58.22 | holycow | okay then ... i'll muck about. at least you've proven i'm crazy |
| 00:58.23 | basix | themill, i'll verify it offline... |
| 00:58.24 | holycow | thanks |
| 00:58.44 | jamon | holycow: only the lenny works, not that etch does too, i'll try that next |
| 00:58.46 | holycow | nsadmin: thx. i'll work through this my self |
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| 00:59.10 | abrotman | themill: it's good enough, but seems to dislike poorly formed documents |
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| 00:59.16 | holycow | jamon: i'm thinking it might be the 40 meg image im using, maybe the 180 one has more onboard or something |
| 00:59.18 | nsadmin | hey now there are tucows! |
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| 00:59.46 | themill | basix: please do. There's a chance that what you've done is correct, and in that case, my apologies for giving you a hard time. But from everything you have said, it seems that you are using possibly trojaned tools to see if things have been trojanned. Doing this properly is very difficult... that's way it's usually just easier to reinstall. |
| 00:59.47 | jamon | holycow: that could be it, try using the selector in unetbootin instead of pointing it at the iso image |
| 01:00.00 | themill | abrotman: that's pretty common. |
| 01:00.01 | holycow | k. thanks man for trying |
| 01:00.06 | jamon | np |
| 01:00.09 | nsadmin | holycow: possibly the 40 meg one doesn't have the base, and so needs the net to proceed |
| 01:00.28 | holycow | nsadmin: that would start to make sense |
| 01:00.39 | basix | themill, yup |
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| 01:00.55 | nsadmin | or doesn't have somethign, and therefore needs the net (early) to proceed |
| 01:01.30 | nsadmin | many netinsts have the installer and the base on the media |
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| 01:04.05 | nsadmin | holycow what are you installing onto? |
| 01:04.19 | holycow | regular pc with no cd rom |
| 01:04.39 | jamon | holycow: etch works fine too |
| 01:04.45 | jamon | language, english, united states, en_US.UTF-8, none, american english, detecting hardware -> eth0 broadcom 100base-t, network /w dhcp, hostname, domain name, us mirror, ftp.us.debian.org, no http proxy, downloading components |
| 01:04.49 | holycow | jamon: i r moron then. |
| 01:04.50 | holycow | thank you. |
| 01:05.04 | jamon | the entire contents of the usb key is about 12mb as well :) |
| 01:05.18 | holycow | what happens when it scans for cdrom? |
| 01:05.23 | jamon | so it doesn't like you not having a cdrom i guess |
| 01:05.30 | jamon | didn't see, it went by really fast |
| 01:05.31 | nsadmin | holycow: if you could post the decisions, that would help |
| 01:06.32 | holycow | jamon: weeeeeird ... if i haveto have a cdrom setup to run it from usb disk then i guess i'll be talkin to the debian-boot people |
| 01:06.32 | jamon | holycow: dunno if disabling the ide channel that the non-existent cdrom is on in your bios would help at all? |
| 01:06.44 | nsadmin | the most common questionable point would be detecting the network, especially in a wifi case |
| 01:06.45 | holycow | i'll try that next |
| 01:07.14 | holycow | i just thought the installer would be mount point agnostic, thats all |
| 01:07.14 | hachi | anyone know why a debian box with nfs root would fail to shut down portmap at shutdown time? |
| 01:07.15 | holycow | k. tryin |
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| 01:07.44 | holycow | nsadmin: sorry, i'm applying the random access debuggin method, serial debuggin takes far too long :) |
| 01:08.07 | nsadmin | probably the heuristics used in detecting the hardware propigated weird decisionmaking |
| 01:09.13 | nsadmin | holycow: so... what happens when the installer tries to detect the net? |
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| 01:12.16 | nsadmin | I'm trying to locate a segfault where timidity started as an alsa sequencer client dies when qtractor, having tracks connected to the sequencer client created by timidity, quits in response to the user quitting the app |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | strace? |
| 01:12.45 | jamon | nsadmin: strate? |
| 01:12.54 | jamon | what abrotman said.. |
| 01:13.12 | nsadmin | I could do that... except it probably needs to run fast enough |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | why don't you try it instead of speculating |
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| 01:13.51 | nsadmin | maybe I rebuild both packages so that it doesn't strip the bins and turn the -g on |
| 01:15.51 | jamon | nsadmin: you could poke at it with gdb and objdump too if you're really intent on finding the cause |
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| 01:16.40 | holycow | nsadmin: it doesn't have the driver and wants to install the driver either from a cdrom or a floppy |
| 01:17.00 | holycow | which very strange, the box ran debian before |
| 01:17.14 | holycow | anyway thx for the debugging and testing help |
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| 01:18.34 | jamon | anytime |
| 01:18.58 | kibo | hi! |
| 01:23.02 | nsadmin | jamon: it's weird... I fire up timidity -iA (which sets timidity up as an alsa seq device), then fire up qtractor... if I quit qtractor before making sure it's connected to timidity (by its alsa device number), timidity doesn't die after quitting qtractor |
| 01:23.37 | nsadmin | maybe qtractor doesn't close its sequencer connection properly before quitting |
| 01:24.17 | jamon | yeah i dunno what those programs even do apart from something midi related (as a guess even)? |
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| 01:25.52 | nsadmin | as part of this process, I'm continuing to learn how alsa's pieces fit together |
| 01:25.59 | nsadmin | and yes, it's midi |
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| 01:26.04 | nsadmin | but internal |
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| 01:27.50 | nsadmin | having said that, it's having something to do with what happens when qtractor closes after having connected to the timidity device |
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| 01:31.25 | nsadmin | wow, strace doesn't make it sound different at all |
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| 01:33.23 | nsadmin | brk(0x8348000) = 0x8348000 |
| 01:33.35 | nsadmin | is the last thing that happens before the segfault |
| 01:33.47 | Shadow_Master | low level malloc() implementation detail |
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| 01:34.08 | abrotman | nsadmin: look a few lines above |
| 01:35.31 | nsadmin | more brks, some munmaps, |
| 01:36.52 | nsadmin | they look good, I'm assuming most of those calls (except brk()) return 0 on no error |
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| 01:38.02 | abrotman | there's also ltrace |
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| 01:39.28 | nsadmin | it'd be nice to know the source line it failed on |
| 01:39.40 | Dionix | how do you purge a package after you have already apt-get remove'd it |
| 01:40.00 | nsadmin | look at dpkg --help |
| 01:40.05 | Dionix | nm dpkg -P |
| 01:40.12 | Dionix | i was trying to apt-get remove --purge |
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| 01:40.19 | Dionix | thanks |
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| 01:40.55 | nsadmin | Dionix dpkg has lotsa tricks, --help lists each briefly |
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| 01:47.43 | grull1zzle | when is zfs going to be available in debian |
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| 01:48.39 | abrotman | grull1zzle: i thought it was still pretty unstable in fuse |
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| 01:50.21 | dasickis | what's the best way of adjusting brightness from the commandline? |
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| 01:51.06 | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe | when is zfs going to be available in debian |
| 01:51.15 | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe | sorry but i got disconnected |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | grull1zzle: i thought it was still pretty unstable in fuse |
| 01:51.41 | dasickis | my brightness keys work |
| 01:51.52 | dasickis | but i need a way of emulating that from my program |
| 01:53.32 | dasickis | the /proc method isn't working because every "brightness" file in there gives me "<not supported>" |
| 01:55.20 | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe | abrotman oh, i never heard of that. ive been using opensolaris as my data storage os, documentaries, movies, some video and image editing and never had a problem, ive been using it atleast for 6 months |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | !zfs |
| 01:55.48 | dpkg | well, zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 01:56.00 | abrotman | see .. fuse |
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| 01:56.19 | abrotman | as for stability .. try it |
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| 01:58.20 | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe | abrotman, allright, but you dont see future for zfs on debian? |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | i do, but it'd be better if it didn't need fuse to use it |
| 01:58.41 | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe | i mean, as the main filesystem instead of ext3 |
| 01:58.59 | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe | ok |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | r0flc0p73rz1zzLe: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419746 |
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| 02:05.18 | mynullvoid | I had setup my samba, but I do not know why I am unable to access the folder that I shared, when I try to access the server, it prompt me with a password dialog box, but none work. Could anyone check my smb.conf at http://paste2.org/p/124229 |
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| 02:17.04 | bolt | mynullvoid: what prompt you with a password dialog box? |
| 02:17.06 | zapster | mynullvoid: check for permissions problems, make sure your login is accepted by windows |
| 02:17.15 | dasickis | anyone? |
| 02:17.26 | smacnay | I want to back up the original software on a new FreeAgent Desk usb drive. Would dd be the way to go? |
| 02:18.09 | hachi | why would rpc.statd fail to start? |
| 02:18.19 | hachi | I'm stracing it, and I can't get anything, no log messages |
| 02:18.47 | hachi | er |
| 02:18.52 | hachi | stracing the whole init script process tree |
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| 02:23.43 | asg | hachi: put 'set +x' at the top of the script to see if there is a problem in the script itself. |
| 02:24.05 | bluethundr_ | what is the latest version of postfix-mysql? |
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| 02:24.24 | mynullvoid | zapster: which permission? |
| 02:24.54 | mynullvoid | zapster: the shared folder I had set to 777 |
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| 02:25.19 | asg | hachi: sorry, 'set -x' |
| 02:25.47 | hachi | no |
| 02:25.48 | hachi | it's not |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | bluethundr_: packages.debian.org |
| 02:25.59 | hachi | just hangs on the final startup command |
| 02:27.37 | hachi | does portmapper keep state on a block device somewhere? |
| 02:28.04 | hachi | I mean on the filesystem |
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| 02:29.53 | zapster | mynullvoid, shared on the linux box? |
| 02:29.55 | tiancai | hi guys, i compiled 2.6.28 kernel in etch, can i install the kernel image in sarge? |
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| 02:31.09 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 02:31.34 | tiancai | abrotman: are you answering my question? |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:32.02 | jamon | damn, anyone else seeing timeouts on http://download.berlios.de? |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | you can try it .. worst that happens is it won't boot ? |
| 02:32.20 | RedLance | I'm setting up a ppp server for my Tivo to dial out through. I have a P II 266 with 96MB ram, and a 2 gig HD, with a fresh install of the latest Debian, done with a net install CD, so it just has the minimal stuff on it, no X or anything. I installed a hardware 8bit ISA modem, USR Sportster, with jumpers set to COM3 IRQ 4. I followed the instructions here: http://adamhull.com/tivo and it still won't connect. I can put up a |
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| 02:32.50 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I've "sudo apt-get remove"'d a bunch of programs |
| 02:32.52 | tiancai | abrotman: thanks... |
| 02:33.19 | Ian_Daniher|XO | however dpkg --get-selections returns that they're marked "deinstall" |
| 02:33.24 | Ian_Daniher|XO | not actually gone |
| 02:33.26 | Ian_Daniher|XO | how do I fix this? |
| 02:33.30 | abrotman | RedLance: you got cut off again .. and the error might help |
| 02:33.38 | tiancai | abrotman: so you mean that i'd better try compile it in sarge directly? |
| 02:33.39 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher|XO: man dpkg .. purge them |
| 02:33.48 | RedLance | abrotman: Sorry... |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | tiancai: yeah, but i'm skeptical it would work |
| 02:34.31 | RedLance | I have a pastebin of the logs at http://pastebin.com/d47244ba which contains what I think is the relevent error |
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| 02:36.12 | Ian_Daniher|XO | abrotman: excellent - /me huggles grep+awk |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher|XO: dpkg -l | egrep "^rc" |
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| 02:37.05 | tiancai | abrotman: thank you so much.. i will try both ways and let you know the results |
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| 02:38.07 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:38.11 | Ian_Daniher|XO | abrotman: sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | awk '{print $1}') |
| 02:39.44 | bluethundr_ | I'm running lenny and it doesn't seem to find postfix-mysql do I need to use an etch apt source? |
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| 02:40.25 | abrotman | judd: versions postfix-mysql |
| 02:40.26 | judd | abrotman: postfix-mysql -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.5.5-1.1 sid: 2.5.5-1.1 experimental: 2.6-20080814-0 |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | sure seems to be in lenny |
| 02:41.40 | bluethundr_ | abrotman: how did you come up with that output? o.O |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | bluethundr_: i used the bot |
| 02:42.12 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postfix-mysql |
| 02:43.11 | Supaplex | now the bot feels used. nice job. |
| 02:43.25 | asg | :use Supaplex |
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| 02:43.40 | asg | ECHAN |
| 02:43.48 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 02:47.41 | bluethundr_ | sudo aptitude install postfix-mysql |
| 02:47.41 | bluethundr_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:47.41 | bluethundr_ | Building dependency tree |
| 02:47.42 | bluethundr_ | Reading state information... Done |
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| 02:48.53 | bluethundr | sorry should've pastebinned that |
| 02:49.08 | asg | as well as your sources.list |
| 02:49.51 | bluethundr | asg: sorry I was accidentally booted and didnt' get the first part of what you said. would you mind repeating? |
| 02:50.30 | asg | bluethundr: pastbin your sources.list if you don't mind |
| 02:50.41 | bluethundr | not at all.. one moment please |
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| 02:53.19 | bluethundr | here's my sources.list |
| 02:53.20 | bluethundr | http://paste.debian.net/25121/ |
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| 02:54.37 | abrotman | wtf oldstable ? |
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| 02:54.56 | abrotman | bluethundr: did you run an aptitude update before you tried to install ? |
| 02:55.09 | bluethundr | I think so, let me try again |
| 02:55.37 | abrotman | also .. do you have a prefernces file ? |
| 02:56.24 | bluethundr | doing an update had no effect |
| 02:56.32 | bluethundr | which preferences file are you referring to? |
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| 02:57.09 | abrotman | bluethundr: paste the output of `find /etc/apt/` |
| 02:57.31 | bluethundr | sure thing |
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| 02:58.41 | bluethundr | http://paste.debian.net/25122/ |
| 02:58.50 | bluethundr | woops |
| 02:58.52 | bluethundr | sorry |
| 02:58.54 | bluethundr | one moment |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | one more time! |
| 03:00.04 | bluethundr | http://pastebin.com/m69e6e49c |
| 03:00.17 | sktbtz | <- first time debian user. it seems really nice too. everything's been smoothe so far. :) |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | rico suave! |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | bluethundr: apt-cache policy postfix-mysql |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | sktbtz: no need to msg me |
| 03:01.00 | asg | !shampoo abrotman |
| 03:01.00 | bluethundr | on it! |
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| 03:01.58 | bluethundr | oh wow.. I think it's already installed! |
| 03:01.59 | bluethundr | http://pastebin.com/m1cf7aa4f |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | yes, it is .. have a nice day! |
| 03:02.27 | asg | it would seem so |
| 03:02.58 | bluethundr | hahaah.. sorry for the wild goose chase.. and thanks for the help |
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| 03:02.59 | sktbtz | abrotman = john? |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | no |
| 03:03.13 | sktbtz | oh. nevermind. |
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| 03:03.34 | asg | abrotman = 3:16? |
| 03:03.45 | abrotman | i don't read the bible! |
| 03:03.58 | asg | that was a NIC prefix you moron |
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| 03:04.26 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:06.10 | asg | abrotman: but we all love you anyway |
| 03:06.19 | abrotman | mow! |
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| 03:17.22 | dasickis | hey does anyone have any advice about brightness adjustment from cli? |
| 03:17.36 | dasickis | or programatically? |
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| 03:19.27 | abrotman | xbacklight ? |
| 03:19.32 | abrotman | depending on your hardware |
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| 03:25.52 | dasickis | abrotman: thanks let me try |
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| 03:26.45 | JordiGH | Why would nm-applet not load when starting a new gnome session? I can load it manually with sudo, but... |
| 03:27.12 | JordiGH | And now that it has loaded, it's not seeing any wireless, although it saw them a few seconds ago. |
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| 03:27.21 | abrotman | check your xsession-errors perhaps |
| 03:28.50 | \amethyst | JordiGH: as for the first bit, make sure this user is a member of the netdev group (id -Gn to check; sudo adduser username netdev and log out/back in if you are not) |
| 03:28.52 | CoolCold | have a question about dmesg and syslog |
| 03:29.11 | \amethyst | JordiGH: that won't help not seeing anything when running it as root, though |
| 03:29.21 | CoolCold | i'm trying to log block device accesses with vm.block_dump |
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| 03:29.37 | CoolCold | so i can see messages in dmesg's output, but not in any logs |
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| 03:29.47 | abrotman | like /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 03:30.07 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Huh, you're right. How odd. I'm not in netdev. |
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| 03:30.27 | CoolCold | /var/log/dmesg isn't updated since boot |
| 03:30.40 | \amethyst | CoolCold: which syslog are you using? |
| 03:30.47 | CoolCold | on the other box, all works |
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| 03:31.33 | CoolCold | ii sysklogd 1.4.1-18 System Logging Daemon |
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| 03:32.44 | \amethyst | CoolCold: do you have an entry there for kern.log ? |
| 03:32.54 | \amethyst | CoolCold: in /etc/syslog.conf that is. if so, what is it? |
| 03:33.20 | JordiGH | Huh, netdev has a gid higher than 100. Didn't Debian only use the first 100 gids? |
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| 03:33.48 | CoolCold | \amethyst: let me check, but this is default config.. |
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| 03:34.15 | CoolCold | root@alpha:/var/log# grep -i kern.log /etc/syslog.conf |
| 03:34.15 | CoolCold | kern.* /var/log/kern.log |
| 03:34.18 | \amethyst | JordiGH: 0-99 are for globally allocated GIDs that are on every Debian computer (in base-passwd) |
| 03:34.22 | \amethyst | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 03:34.42 | nsadmin | JordiGH, what is thenumber of the id? |
| 03:34.48 | JordiGH | nsadmin: 103 |
| 03:34.50 | CoolCold | on the other box, such messages go to /var/log/debug |
| 03:34.54 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Isn't netdev one of those? |
| 03:35.03 | \amethyst | CoolCold: strange, it should be working. is klogd working |
| 03:35.09 | \amethyst | CoolCold: err, is klogd running? |
| 03:35.17 | \amethyst | JordiGH: nope, it's dynamically allocated |
| 03:35.54 | \amethyst | JordiGH: plugdev is global, however |
| 03:36.05 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I'm not sure about the rationale there |
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| 03:37.51 | CoolCold | \amethyst: yes, it's running |
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| 03:40.38 | \amethyst | CoolCold: are the /etc/syslog.conf files the same on the two machines? |
| 03:41.41 | CoolCold | will check a bit later, found bad news in log :) |
| 03:42.01 | CoolCold | Jan 4 01:46:40 nekotaz mdadm: Fail event detected on md device /dev/md3, component device /dev/sdb2 |
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| 03:56.33 | LilDeadPenguin | other than smb.conf, where might samba get information such as workgroup name from? |
| 03:56.49 | LilDeadPenguin | samba 3.2.5 on lenny |
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| 04:00.48 | abrotman | might be a better question for #samba .. but perhaps /etc/mailname ? though that doesn't seem like a great plan |
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| 04:02.52 | LilDeadPenguin | thank you, abrotman |
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| 04:10.15 | ju____ | My debian server just been hacked |
| 04:10.40 | ju____ | running ssh - dovecot - apache2 - mysql - squid |
| 04:10.49 | ju____ | everything was up to date |
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| 04:11.37 | ju____ | The guy gain root access and changed ssl keys, thus I can login anymore on the server. He changed root pw as well |
| 04:11.53 | ju____ | Right now a new service is running on theat machine at port 31337 |
| 04:12.01 | ju____ | Looks like a trojan. |
| 04:12.31 | asg | ju____: what version of debian were you running? |
| 04:12.47 | ju____ | This looks like some guys are knowing some security holes on debian which haven't been discovered yet. |
| 04:12.52 | ju____ | Etch |
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| 04:13.16 | ju____ | And not a little security. |
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| 04:13.19 | ju____ | hole |
| 04:13.32 | ju____ | An exploit to gain root access. |
| 04:13.38 | abrotman | unless you know how he got in, you can't say it was the software |
| 04:13.57 | ju____ | few chances he won by brutal force. |
| 04:14.05 | ju____ | The pw are very strong |
| 04:14.59 | asg | ju____: not a very smart attacker though |
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| 04:15.19 | ju____ | smart enough to gain root access. |
| 04:15.20 | lostson | well he did better than i could do |
| 04:15.29 | ju____ | It's smart enough to be troublesome. |
| 04:15.42 | asg | ju____: jock itch is troublesome |
| 04:15.53 | abrotman | but colorful! |
| 04:16.27 | asg | ju____: a smart attacker wouldn't have changed your keys nor would they have put something on such a blatheringly obvious port as 31337 |
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| 04:17.12 | LilDeadPenguin | unless that was the intention |
| 04:17.16 | ju____ | I don't think that the point is really to figure out how smart is the attacker ... |
| 04:17.21 | LilDeadPenguin | which of your buddies have you pissed off lately? |
| 04:17.27 | asg | this was likely automated script kiddie stuff or someone who already had access and is playing silly buggers. Either way, remove network access from the machine. |
| 04:17.30 | ju____ | none lol |
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| 04:18.02 | abrotman | LilDeadPenguin: that's what asg is trying to say .. someone who actually wanted to control the machine wouldn't be dumb enough to change keys or passwords |
| 04:18.12 | ju____ | I'm in Beijing, the server in Hong Kong, I can't remove network access. |
| 04:18.20 | abrotman | ju____: call the hosting company |
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| 04:18.39 | ju____ | I just wrote the hosting company to ask them to reformat and reinstall at saving what I need to not have to reconfuigure all the services. |
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| 04:19.32 | nkuttler | ju____: ask them to keep the logs at least |
| 04:20.05 | ddddreamer | is there a way to force an overwrite of the previous files with apt-get? (I accidentally overwrote the 'ssh_config' with 'sshd_config'... and thought 'apt-get remove openssh-server', 'rm /etc/ssh', 'apt-get install openssh-server' would fix it...) |
| 04:20.08 | ju____ | Whatever are the intentions of the guy : to be happy about himself , whatever, it's atrouble. |
| 04:20.15 | abrotman | !tell ddddreamer about confmiss |
| 04:20.48 | ju____ | I agree that If he wanted only to gain access to do really interesting stuffs he would have been more discret. |
| 04:21.48 | ju____ | nkuttler, theguy would be silly enough to haven't erased the logs ? |
| 04:22.37 | asg | ju____: erased logs indicate information ; partially erased logs indicate even more. Better to get as much data as possible in any event. |
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| 04:23.41 | ju____ | Such things has ever happened to somebody here ? |
| 04:24.00 | ddddreamer | bugger... it just screwed myself |
| 04:24.10 | asg | ju____: if your hosting provider gives you a virtual machine (xen, vmware, etc.,) make sure they check the host system. |
| 04:24.11 | ddddreamer | i just screwed myself |
| 04:25.13 | ddddreamer | is there not a way to override to get all the files back? |
| 04:25.26 | ju____ | By the way, the guy would be surely please that I'm quite admirative. |
| 04:25.38 | nkuttler | ju____: even better would be a copy of the whole filesystem |
| 04:25.45 | ddddreamer | i couldn't find how to download individual files either... that would have done the trick |
| 04:26.16 | abrotman | ddddreamer: see what the bot told you about confmiss |
| 04:26.35 | ju____ | nkuttler, I don't have the "financial time" to proceed a deep investigation of how he did. That's a pittybut a reality. |
| 04:26.38 | ddddreamer | i read that.. but it doesn't quite make sense to me... |
| 04:26.47 | abrotman | why not? |
| 04:26.51 | nkuttler | ju____: well, can you afford to be cracked again? |
| 04:26.57 | ddddreamer | besides... i'd need to get the package into '/var' i suppose |
| 04:27.01 | ju____ | That's the problem with security, a cvertain level has also a certain cost |
| 04:27.09 | abrotman | ddddreamer: what file isthe issue ? |
| 04:27.14 | ddddreamer | to then unpack it....and install with dpkg |
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| 04:27.28 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: dpkg --force-help |
| 04:27.31 | ddddreamer | i hosed the /etc/ssh directory |
| 04:27.34 | Qew | ddddreamer: you could try apt-get remove --purge then install again. |
| 04:27.36 | abrotman | ddddreamer: all of it? |
| 04:27.40 | JordiGH | What's a way to scan APs with iwconfig? |
| 04:27.53 | ju____ | nkuttler, you don't spend more than the cost of the data on the server, and it was actually just a mail server without local archiving |
| 04:27.54 | nkuttler | JordiGH: man iwlist |
| 04:28.38 | JordiGH | nkuttler: Right, found it |
| 04:28.45 | JordiGH | Huh, no results. |
| 04:28.49 | JordiGH | wonders what's wrong. |
| 04:29.03 | abrotman | thinks the admin is to blame |
| 04:29.19 | nkuttler | JordiGH: if iwconfig shows the interface... there's probably no network available |
| 04:29.50 | ddddreamer | the 'blacklist files' don't show up again... |
| 04:29.58 | abrotman | WHICH FILES |
| 04:30.01 | ddddreamer | in the /etc/ssh directory |
| 04:30.06 | abrotman | ddddreamer: all of it? |
| 04:30.21 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: there are no blacklist files in the package |
| 04:30.24 | ddddreamer | they were there when installed it clean--- i don't understand why they are now missing |
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| 04:30.26 | abrotman | aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall openssh-server |
| 04:30.34 | JordiGH | nkuttler: No, there is. This is the first time I have to futz around with the madwifi driver. In fact, it connected to the AP about an hour ago, but mysteriously disconnected a few minutes later and now won't see any APs. |
| 04:30.40 | abrotman | or whatever damn packages .. since you won't actually answer our questions |
| 04:30.43 | ddddreamer | http://packahttp://packages.debian.org/etch/all/openssh-blacklist/filelistges.debian.org/etch/all/openssh-blacklist/filelist <-- yes there are |
| 04:30.54 | nkuttler | that's not ssh |
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| 04:33.25 | schme | Hey guys and gals. |
| 04:33.51 | schme | Here's the deal. jackd up and running, and I need to tell mah firefox to send the youtube output to jackd. |
| 04:33.59 | schme | what is the magic dpkg I do? |
| 04:34.11 | enouf | no |
| 04:34.25 | schme | I'm sorry. No is not correct. I need audio :) |
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| 04:34.49 | enouf | jackd and youtube don't mix |
| 04:34.56 | ddddreamer | is there a way to pull individual files from a package? |
| 04:35.03 | schme | I did indeed notice that. |
| 04:35.04 | scx | Hey... looks like I have to unlimit the core size... |
| 04:35.05 | enouf | pull? |
| 04:35.11 | scx | how the H do I do this |
| 04:35.19 | schme | ddddreamer: Grab the .deb, pick what you want. |
| 04:35.42 | abrotman | ddddreamer: unpack it manually ... |
| 04:35.42 | schme | So other than buying another audiocard there is no way for this, huh? :) |
| 04:35.43 | enouf | dpkg -x it |
| 04:35.43 | dpkg | enouf: are you using Windows? |
| 04:35.43 | scx | ddddreamer: untar the .deb |
| 04:35.50 | enouf | dpkg: yes |
| 04:35.51 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 04:35.57 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: ar x foo.deb |
| 04:36.02 | asg | schme: help ulimit |
| 04:36.06 | enouf | no |
| 04:36.12 | schme | asg: ? |
| 04:36.13 | enouf | use dpkg -x |
| 04:36.27 | schme | asg: What good does ulimit do me? |
| 04:36.34 | enouf | ar will only yield 3 separate files |
| 04:36.56 | asg | schme: sorry, wrong nick |
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| 04:37.01 | ddddreamer | I suppose is you have move the individual files then--- get them to the right place yourself |
| 04:37.03 | schme | asg: oh ok :) |
| 04:37.21 | schme | Yes. you pull what you want with the tar. |
| 04:37.24 | orzo | i have a pda running debian and i want to sometimes use a bluetooth keyboard with it |
| 04:37.25 | asg | scx: help ulimit ; see /etc/security/limits.conf for a permanent fix |
| 04:37.32 | enouf | ddddreamer: you're doing something REALLY WRONG if you have to do that |
| 04:37.39 | scx | asg: danke |
| 04:37.44 | ddddreamer | it seems sillly that there isn't an overwrite option... |
| 04:37.50 | orzo | do i need to set up xorg.conf? |
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| 04:38.01 | orzo | does the keyboard need to be present with xorg starts? |
| 04:38.10 | enouf | no, it seems silly you don't know wth you are doing |
| 04:38.35 | scx | oh that... |
| 04:38.37 | asg | orzo: xorg can be configured not to care |
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| 04:39.27 | scx | learns that ulimits = pam limits :O |
| 04:39.32 | orzo | hm, well, i tried and failed to get this working before. I'm going to try again, will you be around to help? |
| 04:39.41 | ddddreamer | enouf: usuallly when one installs any other software in other operating systems... |
| 04:40.04 | enouf | try complete sentences |
| 04:40.21 | ddddreamer | you get an overwrite phenomenon--- where if you reinstall you get all the files in the place they ought to be |
| 04:40.34 | enouf | i'll settle for semi-coherent thoughts even |
| 04:40.45 | Qew | surely the issue here is that ddddreamer used just apt-get remove package to remove the package, which keeps the config files state intact. Surely using apt-get remove --purge package then installing the package again will remedy this? |
| 04:41.11 | Qew | maybe I'm just too tired and have missed the important parts of this conversation ;) |
| 04:41.14 | enouf | no Qew , he likely wants confmiss |
| 04:41.34 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: debian assumes you know what you are doing. and again, man dpkg |
| 04:41.44 | orzo | on some pages, hdid --search is implied to just connect and stop |
| 04:41.47 | enouf | Qew: bit don't tell him, because he can't put together a coherenet statement |
| 04:41.49 | orzo | or to wait for a keycode |
| 04:41.52 | ddddreamer | i did 'apt-get remove --purge' ... that didn't get me back to where i was after a re-install with 'apt-get install' |
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| 04:42.02 | orzo | but for me, it says connected and says to press control-c to disconnect |
| 04:42.05 | orzo | and the process never quits |
| 04:42.11 | enouf | !tell ddddreamer -about confmiss |
| 04:42.17 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: did you pay attention which package you need to reinstall? |
| 04:42.38 | ddddreamer | i did pay attention to which packages are involved... |
| 04:42.56 | orzo | i mean hidd |
| 04:43.03 | enouf | sighs .. seems like a long ongoing saga |
| 04:43.09 | newsense | thats what dependencys are for :) |
| 04:43.21 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: try pasting your commands and the output somewhere, so that we can yell more at you |
| 04:43.24 | enouf | someone tell me the ending .. quick |
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| 04:43.31 | orzo | should i attempt to get teh keyboard working in the console first? |
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| 04:43.50 | pickcoder | enouf: ending? there is no ending.. this is a recurring dream |
| 04:43.56 | helo | anyone know of a linux program that will let me pull video off of this camcorder via usb? |
| 04:44.12 | newsense | mount |
| 04:44.14 | orzo | while hidd is running, it works in console except some keypresses dont work. Based on what somebody else said, i might need to adjust a keymap or something. I don't know how to do that for console |
| 04:44.15 | enouf | pickcoder: s/dream/nightmare :-P |
| 04:44.17 | pickcoder | helo: DV? |
| 04:44.19 | helo | it isn't digital |
| 04:44.30 | helo | records to tapes, but has a usb cable |
| 04:44.32 | pickcoder | helo: got a capture card? |
| 04:44.34 | enouf | pull? |
| 04:44.38 | helo | no |
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| 04:44.55 | enouf | wait .. i said something like that nnnot long ago .. |
| 04:44.55 | pickcoder | helo: what make/model |
| 04:45.37 | enouf | [23:32:50] <enouf> pull? <---aha! |
| 04:45.38 | helo | hmm... samsung scd103 mini dv |
| 04:46.02 | pickcoder | well if it's mini-dv then it should have a firewire port |
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| 04:46.32 | helo | it does, it also has a usb port |
| 04:46.46 | enouf | usb sucks ass |
| 04:46.50 | enouf | use firewire |
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| 04:46.56 | pickcoder | so use firewire with raw1394 |
| 04:47.02 | pickcoder | any of the video tools will work with it |
| 04:47.22 | helo | i have no firewire cable :/ |
| 04:47.38 | pickcoder | well then you may be outta luck |
| 04:47.45 | helo | bah ok firewire it is |
| 04:47.51 | helo | thanks |
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| 04:47.57 | pickcoder | you _may_ get it to work with usb |
| 04:47.59 | pickcoder | for v4l |
| 04:48.05 | pickcoder | but I doubt it |
| 04:48.33 | pickcoder | believe me.. the firewire will be less painful |
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| 04:48.42 | enouf | orzo: what is hidd? /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 04:51.08 | scx | what can I use to check my memory for any hardware errors |
| 04:51.10 | scx | ? |
| 04:51.34 | pickcoder | memtest |
| 04:51.39 | nsadmin | 86 |
| 04:51.44 | gewt | memetest89 |
| 04:51.47 | gewt | er |
| 04:51.52 | scx | aye ty |
| 04:51.53 | gewt | memtest86 |
| 04:51.54 | nsadmin | boot that and let it run for a coupla days |
| 04:52.04 | scx | curiously I forgot it |
| 04:52.04 | gewt | loldays |
| 04:52.05 | orzo | enouf: thanks. hidd is "Bluetooth HID deamon" provided by package bluez-utils |
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| 04:52.22 | scx | anyway to do it in a live system? |
| 04:52.27 | nsadmin | no |
| 04:52.31 | nsadmin | you boot it. |
| 04:52.34 | pickcoder | bonnie++ or stress |
| 04:52.35 | nsadmin | nothing else runs. |
| 04:52.35 | scx | yeah |
| 04:52.49 | pickcoder | they won't detect errors though |
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| 04:53.07 | scx | same with badblocks right? partition must be umounted? |
| 04:53.16 | pickcoder | yes |
| 04:53.44 | nsadmin | wow, you're thinking you're screwed... what's going on? |
| 04:53.44 | ddddreamer | The approach i tried... in one used in Windows. If an install in windows doesn't work (which is often 'cause the software is crappy)... you can just install it again and it will overwrite the existing files. It seems there is no way to force this in Debian-- as a re-install won't overwrite config files. |
| 04:53.44 | pickcoder | there is a diag CD iso somewhere I got |
| 04:53.44 | scx | ok then, see you after the SuperBowl =\ |
| 04:53.44 | scx | ty |
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| 04:54.22 | nsadmin | ddddreamer you can always format the partition |
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| 04:54.37 | gewt | i read dreamer as dresser... |
| 04:55.14 | pickcoder | ddddreamer: sure it will.. if you know how to tell it to |
| 04:55.59 | nsadmin | ddddreamer also you should consider having a separate partition for /home |
| 04:56.13 | ddddreamer | pickcoder: i have a separate partition for /home |
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| 04:57.23 | ddddreamer | i just did something stupid (erased config files)... and i'm now paying for it |
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| 04:57.37 | nkuttler | ddddreamer: paste what you are doing or stop trolling |
| 04:57.42 | nsadmin | ddddreamer: good... so when you overwrite your installation before reinstalling, don't format your /home |
| 04:57.50 | pickcoder | ddddreamer: did you read what dpkg msgd you? |
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| 05:00.08 | ddddreamer | i read the dpkg msg-- and looked at aptitude briefly |
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| 05:10.13 | nsadmin | what is the meaning of: |
| 05:10.17 | nsadmin | ifneq (,$(findstring debug,$(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS))) |
| 05:10.19 | nsadmin | ? |
| 05:10.35 | nsadmin | in a makefile |
| 05:11.16 | orzo | you can check the docs for that |
| 05:11.32 | JordiGH | nsadmin: in a debian/rules Makefile? |
| 05:11.38 | nsadmin | yeah |
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| 05:12.03 | orzo | but i guess it'd evaluate the clause if teh string debug occurs in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS variable |
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| 05:12.07 | orzo | er |
| 05:12.11 | orzo | yes |
| 05:12.35 | JordiGH | nsadmin: seems pretty clear to me, "if you do find the string "debug" in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS"... |
| 05:13.19 | nsadmin | how can you tell that it's "if you DO find it"? |
| 05:13.37 | JordiGH | nsadmin: it's comparing the empty string to the output of findstring. |
| 05:13.45 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 05:14.05 | nsadmin | how does one normally set DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
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| 05:14.58 | patrikf | nsadmin: as an environment variable |
| 05:15.44 | nsadmin | so I stick it in my env and then run debian/rules ...? |
| 05:15.56 | patrikf | iirc yes. |
| 05:16.11 | patrikf | be sure to export it |
| 05:16.49 | JordiGH | Or you can just do "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=yermom debian/rules $whateverlse" |
| 05:17.26 | nsadmin | what's everything that can appear in that variable? or, more specifically, can I tell the package to not strip the resulting executable? will it already do that if I put debug in there? |
| 05:18.10 | JordiGH | Ah, the stripping issue. |
| 05:18.38 | nsadmin | well this is for testing... if you enable debugging, it does not make sense to strip |
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| 05:19.49 | VolVE | hey all, clearly I'm spacing out here, but I've got an old Sarge box running some webapps with Awstats doing daily traffic analysis... but I can't for the life of me find a service, or crontab or even a user that's triggering the daily run... any ideas anyone at all? :/ |
| 05:20.24 | JordiGH | nsadmin: I don't think there's a universal way of doing this... what package are you working with? |
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| 05:20.59 | dondelelcaro | VolVE: if it's a crontab, you'll see it triggered in auth.log, and the entry will be in /var/spool/crontabs/* or /etc/cron*/* |
| 05:21.32 | dondelelcaro | VolVE: if it's a daemon or something else, it could be anything |
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| 05:21.32 | nsadmin | timidity |
| 05:21.37 | VolVE | dondelelcaro: hmm, I'll poke some more... thanks |
| 05:23.00 | dondelelcaro | VolVE: after that, you can try checking for daemons with something like ps ax -o command|awk '{print $1}'|sort|uniq|xargs strings|grep awst |
| 05:23.06 | nsadmin | I'm looking for where it segfaults (when another program -- which uses timidity in its capacity as alsa sequencer client -- closes), which source line |
| 05:23.47 | dondelelcaro | (though you'll want to tweak that slightly to indicate which file strings is pulling them from |
| 05:23.59 | dondelelcaro | (strings -f will do that) |
| 05:24.42 | nsadmin | and for the record... I'm running etch... the timidity is version 2.13.2-9, the other program that uses timidity is qtractor-0.3.0 which I backported |
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| 05:26.46 | orzo | okay, i have my keyboard working in console |
| 05:27.01 | orzo | but, i'm running hidd --search and it says press control-c to hangup on it |
| 05:27.21 | orzo | so i either need ot background that or find a more usual way of using a bluetooth keyboard in console |
| 05:28.40 | nsadmin | and the qtractor is at 0.3.0-1 |
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| 05:42.02 | Tekno | Hi |
| 05:42.27 | Tekno | is there channel for eeepc debian? |
| 05:42.54 | craigevil | debian-eeepc on oftc |
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| 05:43.34 | Sling | with its own dd even |
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| 05:47.00 | nsadmin | what does the dd do do? |
| 05:47.25 | Sling | he is responsible for the debian eeepc 'project' |
| 05:47.28 | Supaplex | man dd ;) |
| 05:47.31 | Sling | heh ;) |
| 05:47.36 | Supaplex | ouuu that dd. :p |
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| 05:52.43 | Arafangion | Hey, does anyone know how to open 'mynote.cfg' and *.TOP files from a MEDION graphics tablet? |
| 05:53.31 | Supaplex | no, but /usr/bin/file (that's a literal) might be able to describe them a new way. |
| 05:53.41 | Supaplex | file *.cfg *.TOP |
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| 05:54.41 | Arafangion | Supaplex: According to file, it is "data". |
| 05:55.20 | Supaplex | intersting mystery |
| 05:55.42 | craigevil | you can edit a .cfg file with any text editor |
| 05:56.06 | Arafangion | craigevil: You mean a .cfg file which just happens to be a text file? |
| 05:56.08 | |ahmina| | I have an Intel S3210SHLC motherboard which has 6 SATA ports and is claims RAID compatability 0/1/5/10 and I think it has some sort of processor on the board for this. |
| 05:56.16 | |ahmina| | Would this be used in software RAID or ignored? |
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| 05:56.39 | craigevil | if its like the .cfg files on the XO its just a werid way to name config files |
| 05:57.00 | Arafangion | craigevil: According to file, it is "data". |
| 05:57.18 | patrikf | |ahmina|: no. software raid is entirely in software. |
| 05:57.31 | Arafangion | craigevil: It takes up 2 bytes of space. |
| 05:57.46 | Arafangion | craigevil: So it's possibly merely empty. It's the .TOP files that intruge me. |
| 05:57.46 | patrikf | |ahmina|: if your motherboard has any raid functionality, that would be hardware RAID, which is transparent to the OS (it doesn't even know about it) |
| 05:59.09 | Supaplex | and if it's too transparent, will the OS know of failures? |
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| 05:59.18 | |ahmina| | patrikf: so waht software would I use in Debian to configure my hardware RAID? |
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| 06:00.13 | patrikf | |ahmina|: None. Either you have hardware RAID, then you go through your BIOS (or RAID BIOS if there's a difference) to set it up |
| 06:00.26 | patrikf | |ahmina|: or software raid, then it's mdadm (and try to find some tutorial on the net) |
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| 06:03.20 | JordiGH | Why can doing "apt-get source somepackage" fail? |
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| 06:03.57 | hoxu | JordiGH, check that you have deb-src lines and show us the error |
| 06:03.59 | JordiGH | I mean, the package exists... and it's in main... |
| 06:04.10 | JordiGH | hoxu: geordi doesn't have a source package! |
| 06:04.15 | Arafangion | Supaplex: The device came with windows software to save the data in JPEG or 'TEXT' format (Which, for a digitising tablet, both seem to be stupid formats, but I digress). |
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| 06:04.27 | hoxu | JordiGH, sources.list please |
| 06:04.51 | JordiGH | hoxu: Everything else has sources, that's not the issue. geordi doesn't have a source package. Why not? |
| 06:05.31 | JordiGH | hoxu: My real question is, "is this a packaging bug"? |
| 06:06.19 | \amethyst | JordiGH: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/geordi |
| 06:06.28 | \amethyst | JordiGH: is this an etch or lenny system? |
| 06:06.33 | JordiGH | \amethyst: lenny |
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| 06:08.15 | JordiGH | is really puzzled. |
| 06:08.25 | JordiGH | Is my mirror out of sync? |
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| 06:11.39 | Supaplex | JordiGH: eewwww, n'sync |
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| 06:12.11 | JordiGH | aptitude updates.. |
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| 06:23.16 | Arafangion | How should I attempt to determine the file format of a given file? The file command merely states that it is 'data', and the only context I have to work with is that it is some kind of graphics format. |
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| 06:23.29 | Arafangion | Very likely black&white only, but could contain pressure info as well. |
| 06:23.41 | Arafangion | (From a MEDION grpahics tablet) |
| 06:24.02 | Arafangion | The device works quite well as a graphics tablet, but when in standalone mode, it writes to these files. |
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| 06:24.26 | King_tiger_claw | Hi guys I am new here. |
| 06:25.59 | mhymn | !greet King_tiger_claw |
| 06:25.59 | dpkg | Nihao, King_tiger_claw |
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| 06:26.36 | chuck | Why isn't there a later version of python in backports? |
| 06:26.38 | Arafangion | King_tiger_claw: Umm... Welcome... Please shut the door when you use it, the trash can is on your left, and feel free to help yourself to any drinks in the fridge? |
| 06:26.43 | King_tiger_claw | Thanks |
| 06:27.04 | King_tiger_claw | I am a graphics designer. |
| 06:27.22 | King_tiger_claw | I am going for beer |
| 06:27.47 | King_tiger_claw | Nice room.can I take sit. If you dont mind |
| 06:28.17 | Arafangion | King_tiger_claw: Now that we've dispensed with the pleasanties, let's get to business. Ask questions, and you might be answered. That's pretty much it. |
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| 06:28.25 | Arafangion | King_tiger_claw: There's quite a few other users here. |
| 06:29.06 | King_tiger_claw | I actually need help for graphics designi |
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| 06:30.39 | Supaplex | why is it people join a *channel* and expect us to be interested soley in something so far out of scope, it's simply laughable? |
| 06:31.17 | King_tiger_claw | Is anyone know any channel what helps on Adobe ps or illustrator? |
| 06:31.25 | mhymn | O_o |
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| 06:31.50 | Arafangion | King_tiger_claw: I wasn't aware that they'd made a Debian version. |
| 06:32.21 | Arafangion | Supaplex: It's the eternal september. |
| 06:32.31 | chuck | anyone know why backports doesn't have python? |
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| 06:34.30 | smacnay | Is there a failsafe way to copy the software from a FreeAgent Desk usb drive to hard disk so that it might be put back on the device at some time in the future? |
| 06:34.48 | Supaplex | King_tiger_claw: #gimp possibly |
| 06:34.57 | King_tiger_claw | Thanks |
| 06:35.00 | Supaplex | but be prepared to give up the non-free software by adobe :) |
| 06:35.02 | hoxu | Arafangion, extension + google is your friend... or you could open the file and see if there's any strings/headers and google for those |
| 06:35.32 | Arafangion | hoxu: I've done both, though I admit I haven't looked very hard. |
| 06:35.43 | mhymn | Supaplex: that's like suggesting here for ubuntu or even windows! |
| 06:35.52 | Arafangion | hoxu: It appears that Medion makes a bunch of display adapters, laptops, etc, which is confounding my search. |
| 06:36.22 | Supaplex | mhymn: possibly windows, but not so much ubuntu. "licence" was my primary motive. |
| 06:36.27 | Arafangion | hoxu: Maybe I'll have to reverse engineer it, when I find some time. |
| 06:36.52 | hoxu | Arafangion, you could see if "-medion" helps in the search |
| 06:37.03 | King_tiger_claw | What are the free software I can use for graphics design and illustration? |
| 06:37.16 | Arafangion | hoxu: But it is a medion brand. |
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| 06:37.30 | Arafangion | hoxu: I've a suspicion that it's a typical format for that particular implementation. |
| 06:37.38 | Arafangion | hoxu: It being cheap and crappy. :) |
| 06:37.42 | hoxu | King_tiger_claw, I'm clueless, but had a look at gimp, krita, inkscape? |
| 06:38.26 | Lacrimas | Debian ftw :] |
| 06:38.31 | JordiGH | Is this just a problem with my mirror or something? If anyone else tries "apt-get source geordi", do they get a source package fine? |
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| 06:39.21 | hoxu | JordiGH, we still haven't seen your sources.list |
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| 06:39.43 | JordiGH | hoxu: It's got all the right deb-src lines... |
| 06:39.56 | hoxu | ok, you seem to know better how to solve the problem :) |
| 06:40.20 | JordiGH | hoxu: Does "apt-get source geordi" work for you? |
| 06:40.24 | King_tiger_claw | Thank you guys:-) |
| 06:40.25 | Arafangion | JordiGH: Try a different mirror? |
| 06:40.37 | KTL | i got a problem with installing debian. at boot time the system hangs, waiting for root filesystem, the only unusual thing is a modprobe complaining by giving it's usage instructions. |
| 06:40.51 | Arafangion | KTL: Which version of debian? |
| 06:40.55 | KTL | i reinstalled from scratch, latest packages ... sid |
| 06:41.00 | KTL | now even experimental |
| 06:41.16 | Arafangion | KTL: Which kernel? |
| 06:41.16 | KTL | 64 bit |
| 06:41.29 | sktbtz | i'm having trouble figuring out what i've got wrong with dhcp. the only way i get get a connection is using 'gnome network manager' app and clicking "wired" or something similar. anyhow, why doesn't it turn on at startup? it should work fine, as i just installed debian through netinstall. |
| 06:41.33 | KTL | all of them, 2.6.17-x 2.6.26-whatever |
| 06:41.35 | KTL | all the same issue |
| 06:41.48 | JordiGH | hoxu: Just so you don't think I'm needlessly stubborn... http://rafb.net/p/dDt2CP25.html |
| 06:42.10 | Arafangion | KTL: You're going to have to give more info about the setup and any error messages, then. :( |
| 06:42.19 | KTL | indeed, i got none :( |
| 06:42.47 | KTL | what could it be if modprobe complains that early? |
| 06:42.54 | JordiGH | Arafangion: Does "apt-get source geordi" work for you? I've had this problem before with other packages, especially when multiple binaries are created from the same source package. Sometimes one of the names of created binaries doesn't fetch the source package, and I have to guess another name to get the source package. Why? |
| 06:42.56 | Arafangion | KTL: Modprobe of which module? |
| 06:43.19 | Arafangion | JordiGH: In my case, the ftp mirror I'm using from wa seems to have gone down, so no, I don't think it would. |
| 06:43.25 | KTL | it doesnt mention even, it is the "usage: /sbin/modprbe [-v0] ..." output |
| 06:43.26 | Arafangion | JordiGH: I've yet to fix it up. |
| 06:43.34 | patrikf | sktbtz: you usually set up your network in /etc/network/interfaces ("man interfaces" for documentation) |
| 06:44.26 | sktbtz | yes, i have the lines "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "auto eth0" there. |
| 06:44.28 | KTL | Arafangion, do you know a way to see with what kernel arguments a kernel has been started? and configured? |
| 06:44.32 | sktbtz | am i missing something? |
| 06:44.41 | Supaplex | KTL: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 06:44.51 | KTL | because the rescue cd 64bit boots on it |
| 06:44.59 | sktbtz | i'll read more into it. thanks. |
| 06:45.03 | Arafangion | KTL: Can I assume that it was done with grub? If so, press 'e' when in the grub menu. |
| 06:45.19 | KTL | the rescue cd itself isnt grub :() |
| 06:45.20 | KTL | :) |
| 06:45.38 | Arafangion | KTL: Did it install? |
| 06:45.53 | KTL | there is a whole os there now, made it from scratch, and it wont boot |
| 06:46.02 | KTL | s/made/installed/ |
| 06:46.14 | Arafangion | KTL: So... That's a yes? |
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| 06:46.23 | KTL | yes |
| 06:46.26 | Arafangion | KTL: Does it start up with grub? |
| 06:46.36 | Arafangion | KTL: Giving some kind of menu in which to select a kernel and bookt? |
| 06:46.38 | Arafangion | *boot |
| 06:46.50 | hoxu | JordiGH, I guess you are using pinning, but I don't see how that would matter... tried a different mirror yet? |
| 06:46.50 | KTL | grub gets loaded, i edit the grub lines sometimes |
| 06:47.02 | KTL | but eventually it will hang waiting for it's root fs |
| 06:47.11 | KTL | for every kernel i try |
| 06:47.14 | Arafangion | KTL: What are those lines...? |
| 06:47.36 | JordiGH | hoxu: I will in a moment as soon as you tell me that "apt-get source geordi" works for you. |
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| 06:47.50 | Arafangion | KTL: I'm sorry I have to head off. |
| 06:47.51 | Vyrus001 | when i play videos with mplayer, no other paramiters i get a blue screen (but working audio), when i use -vo gl i get a white screen, when i play with -vo gl2 i get working picture and sound but video playback is VERRY slow... whats wrong? |
| 06:47.59 | KTL | tons of kernel boot lines, nothing remarkable except modprobe complaining and the hanging waiting for root fs, just booted with rescue cd, i am in it again |
| 06:48.05 | KTL | thanks |
| 06:48.12 | hoxu | JordiGH, that's not useful information for you, yes it does, but we have a very different setup obviously... you could also try "apt-get -t unstable source geordi" |
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| 06:48.49 | JordiGH | hoxu: Yes, that works. Do you also have a source package for testing? |
| 06:49.26 | hoxu | nope, on a full unstable system here |
| 06:49.36 | JordiGH | hoxu: And that is useful information, it means "mirrors, even the best of them, might not have a source packages". |
| 06:49.46 | hoxu | hmmm |
| 06:50.05 | JordiGH | I mean, the OSL lab at OSU isn't anything to scoff at. |
| 06:50.48 | hoxu | JordiGH, so with "-t testing" you don't get the source? |
| 06:50.53 | JordiGH | hoxu: I don't. |
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| 06:55.04 | hoxu | debian.osuosl.org is listed under ftp.us.debian.org so I guess it should be a primary mirror... but I admit I'm clueless about mirroring |
| 06:57.40 | JordiGH | The most bewildering thing is that they *do* have the right source package... |
| 06:57.43 | JordiGH | http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/pool/main/g/geordi/ |
| 06:57.53 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.33 | JordiGH | So now I must ask... how does apt-get source work, how does it decide what to look for? |
| 06:59.41 | Supaplex | magic |
| 06:59.50 | JordiGH | !magic |
| 06:59.50 | dpkg | i heard magic is a tool and i am its taskmaster |
| 07:00.01 | Supaplex | hahahaa nice |
| 07:00.05 | JordiGH | No, dpkg, apt-get is the magician this time. |
| 07:00.10 | hoxu | JordiGH, it heeds pinning in /etc/apt/preferences + APT::Default-Release, unless you use -t |
| 07:00.20 | Arafangion | thinks that one only thinks one knows how to use magic. |
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| 07:00.47 | JordiGH | hoxu: I mean, how does apt-get source translate the name into the binary it should fetch, and why isn't it fetching this source package that does exist in the mirror? |
| 07:01.25 | Supaplex | JordiGH: do you have identical deb-src lines to your deb lines? |
| 07:01.32 | JordiGH | Supaplex: Yes... |
| 07:01.33 | hoxu | Supaplex, yes he does |
| 07:01.54 | hoxu | JordiGH, update fetches the package lists which contain filename that points to the .deb on the mirror |
| 07:02.09 | hoxu | JordiGH, as for the latter, I guess your local pinning preferences or something may be confusing it |
| 07:02.26 | hoxu | you might want to show us those, maybe someone is able to figure it out |
| 07:02.42 | JordiGH | hoxu: I think you're wrong, and I don't think pinning should have anything to do with it, as I can get fine many other source packages from lenny. |
| 07:03.03 | JordiGH | hoxu: Regardless, do you want to test your theory? I'll delete everything but my lenny source lines. |
| 07:03.37 | hoxu | I don't know; we haven't seen your preferences, so it's just blind-guessing |
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| 07:04.03 | hoxu | and I haven't mixed testing, unstable + experimental either :P |
| 07:04.49 | Supaplex | the apt-get man page has a few things regarding --only-source that may answer how it references between binary and source packages when getting source (/me keeps reading) |
| 07:04.54 | JordiGH | hoxu: in apt.conf testing is the preferred release and experimental is pinned to 101 in preferences. |
| 07:05.10 | greeq | i hate linux.. i want to take a shit in the kernel |
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| 07:05.55 | Supaplex | greeq: it's your lucky day. the licence allows you to make as many copies as you need to wipe your butt with. |
| 07:05.55 | JordiGH | Supaplex: That's a hint; looks like the "binary table" might be wrong here. |
| 07:05.59 | scx | Do we have a low latency kernel? |
| 07:06.03 | greeq | hahaha |
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| 07:06.34 | greeq | nd its eco friendly too huh supa ? |
| 07:07.04 | scx | is it today "I feel dork" day? |
| 07:07.14 | Supaplex | depends on the media your copies come out in. steel wool is very recyclable, but it's not so nice on the cheeks. :D |
| 07:07.39 | Arafangion | scx: No, that was the day after new year's day. |
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| 07:07.45 | greeq | lol... i m guessing not... might shortcircuit the wiring in my cheeks |
| 07:07.46 | greeq | lol |
| 07:08.01 | Supaplex | scx: not really. you can schedule tasks as real time though, and they get possibly more priority than the kernel. |
| 07:08.51 | scx | Supaplex: yeah, I am going to make a machine for sound processing |
| 07:08.59 | scx | so that's why I was asking |
| 07:09.24 | Arafangion | scx: A machine? |
| 07:09.27 | KTL | can i compile a kernel so that it does not need an initramfs ? |
| 07:10.00 | KTL | where in make menuconfig could i try to change stuff so that i dont have to be afraid of corrupted initramfs files? |
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| 07:10.21 | scx | Arafangion: yeah, since the 19th centuries have been using complex tools they call as machnes,,, they even have something called computers now |
| 07:10.22 | smacnay | I am going to format a FreeDesk usb external drive for storage... any caveats? Just run fdisk on it and make it ext3? |
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| 07:11.22 | Arafangion | scx: So you're deliberately using the most generic, most archaic, least descriptive term you can find? |
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| 07:11.47 | Arafangion | smacnay: I'd preserve the same partition table format. |
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| 07:12.03 | Arafangion | smacnay: that is, I wouldn't add, remove or change partitions, though you should be fine changing the partition type. |
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| 07:16.15 | KTL | compiles a kernel with all the sata/ata/ide support built-in |
| 07:18.17 | liable | dont forget fs support too.. |
| 07:18.37 | Tekno | is possible to boot without initrd if sata drivers are in-kernel ? |
| 07:18.43 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.46 | nsadmin | and lvm/raid if you use that |
| 07:18.55 | liable | KTL: no, it has to be built in.. |
| 07:19.13 | nsadmin | KTL: and you're going to depend on your hope? good luck with that |
| 07:19.42 | KTL | hehe, i depend very often on my hope :D |
| 07:19.42 | KTL | in linux :D |
| 07:19.42 | nsadmin | have you ever had an initrd image fail? |
| 07:20.15 | KTL | well this machine here currently has a problem, i have no clue why, even after a total reinstall something at boot time goes wrong |
| 07:20.22 | nsadmin | KTL: ok, I see... so you're saying you don't need any further support |
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| 07:20.50 | nsadmin | KTL: it would be helpful to know what "somethign" is |
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| 07:21.12 | KTL | first i thought the initramfs was corrupted ... and i found no other evidence of that , but i found no other lead too .... the kernel hangs waiting for it's root fs, and theonly thing that is remarkable before that |
| 07:21.34 | KTL | is modprobe complaining with it's usage help, so it must have been called in the wrong way before that ... |
| 07:22.04 | nsadmin | ok, so you upgraded something before all this |
| 07:22.32 | KTL | yes, the same kernel to a newer version (i guess 2.6.17-1 to 2.6.17-10 or so) |
| 07:22.50 | KTL | and all other kernels give the same problem, even after a full reinstall :) |
| 07:23.13 | nsadmin | 2.6.17? what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:23.17 | KTL | the only package that gave trouble now was hal |
| 07:23.41 | KTL | sid, 2.6.26 is the other option which gives the same trouble |
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| 07:24.05 | SQlvpapir | weird.. changing the power scheme from on demand to performance tribles the wifi transfer speed when on battery Oo |
| 07:24.07 | nsadmin | ok so you're living on the edge |
| 07:24.35 | KTL | hehe, i think i went to sid to solve the problem, i came from more conservative |
| 07:24.54 | nsadmin | I don't run sid myself... so I'm not sure how to help, but .17 doesn't seem like a kernel that was ever packaged for debian |
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| 07:25.14 | sixfu | Hi. I am trying to only allow login to a given service using pam (dovecot) to users in a special group. I tried adding 'auth required pam_wheel.so group=foo' to /etc/pam.d/dovecot but then login is always forbidden, even for users who have 'foo' as their primary group. What am I doing wrong? |
| 07:25.30 | nsadmin | problem solved today, next update 464 more problems crop up? |
| 07:25.48 | nsadmin | ok so I exaggerate a little :P |
| 07:25.54 | Supaplex | justtttt a little |
| 07:25.57 | KTL | it might originally come from a ubuntu installer, euh do you see a big difference with that? :) |
| 07:26.35 | nsadmin | hmm, so this is a ubuntu + debian |
| 07:26.50 | KTL | what is ubuntu ? i use debian repositories... |
| 07:27.29 | KTL | what could be left of it? after having updated everything? |
| 07:27.32 | nsadmin | oh man, I have no idea what to do for that except to say I hope your /home is on a separate partition for when you eventually have to wipe and reinstall |
| 07:27.44 | KTL | that allready happened :D |
| 07:27.52 | Supaplex | w00pz |
| 07:28.06 | KTL | it's not my desktop :) |
| 07:28.21 | nsadmin | what is it? |
| 07:28.46 | KTL | a little server with nothing much to do |
| 07:29.05 | KTL | gathers images from security camera's |
| 07:29.09 | nsadmin | so you're experimenting with services |
| 07:29.31 | KTL | not especially, it's main services will be ssh and ftp |
| 07:29.39 | nsadmin | is it in your house? or 10,000 miles away? |
| 07:30.05 | KTL | the machine is now on my desk, it is just a small cheap pc, and it will go 30 km from where i am :D |
| 07:30.28 | nsadmin | so the data that's on it now is irrelevent? |
| 07:30.46 | KTL | but that debian ... should work ... it's a bug ... |
| 07:30.56 | KTL | indeed, irrelevant |
| 07:31.26 | nsadmin | did you have ubuntu on it before (and before you say "what's ubuntu", you did bring that up) |
| 07:31.55 | KTL | yes, the same ubuntu installation cd has given a bootable system |
| 07:31.58 | nsadmin | you can always wipe/reinstall, perhaps if ubuntu works you can use that |
| 07:32.01 | KTL | had given* |
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| 07:32.26 | KTL | but one upgrade would cause the same problem |
| 07:32.44 | nsadmin | so if you upgrade you get a problem... |
| 07:32.50 | nsadmin | hmm, how do you deal with that... |
| 07:33.18 | KTL | smells irony and really wants the upgrades |
| 07:33.34 | nsadmin | if you smell irony it's probably rust |
| 07:34.15 | nsadmin | why do you want the upgrades? |
| 07:34.32 | nsadmin | what is it you want upgraded? |
| 07:34.51 | KTL | it might have been just to get lmsensors working |
| 07:34.54 | KTL | originally |
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| 07:35.44 | KTL | using the latest is usually quite interesting, /me is in love with kde4 |
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| 07:38.35 | nsadmin | for a server that's going to be a few miles down the road? |
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| 07:39.07 | KTL | i wont need kde there that's true, but other text-based things can use upgrades too usually |
| 07:39.28 | nsadmin | the truth is, it's up to you what you run... do what works or do what makes you happy |
| 07:39.39 | nsadmin | or hopefully both |
| 07:41.22 | nsadmin | other text based things could use upgrading... again, why? in the stable version, versions are chosen and patched so they all work together |
| 07:41.55 | nsadmin | who knows, maybe etch n a half might work for you |
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| 07:43.04 | nsadmin | it could be as simple as a somewhat garbled mbr |
| 07:44.03 | nsadmin | but I suspect that debian and debian-based dists are not your cup of tea |
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| 09:38.50 | Psychlo | can someone plz tell me how to add a user to the sudoers file? |
| 09:39.07 | cahoot | man visudo |
| 09:39.12 | bullgard4 | "Sockets are usually implemented by an API library such as Berkeley sockets." What is the name of the Linux library that implements the sockets in Debian? |
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| 09:40.59 | SQlvpapir | Elevator_Hazard: if its a "dedicated" nic, ie. pci then one usually has to connect it to the motherboards WOL port |
| 09:41.15 | SQlvpapir | have* |
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| 09:43.56 | Elevator_Hazard | SQlvpapir: no its onboard |
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| 09:48.09 | LenoX_ | yay |
| 09:48.23 | LenoX_ | wifi is working |
| 09:48.25 | LenoX_ | somewhat.. |
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| 09:49.56 | cads | will virtualizing another instance of linux using xen be more efficient than running it as a vmware virtual machine? |
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| 09:52.05 | Phasy | Why isn`t there a netbeans package available? |
| 09:52.34 | cads | I dunno, solaris has netbeans :D |
| 09:53.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps no one wants to maintain it :) |
| 09:53.06 | cads | there's probably an intentional liscense collision somewhere |
| 09:53.41 | Phasy | so how do i install it then? |
| 09:53.49 | spiffe | Installed lenny on a 2133 (fu345ea), was figuring how I get xorg working properly, using the one from apt so I dont know if it's sufficient |
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| 09:57.08 | LenoX_ | what should I have in my wpa_supplicant.conf so it could connect to hidden ssids? |
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| 10:01.19 | LenoX_ | why is the wifi connection under debian SO slow |
| 10:01.49 | LenoX_ | speedtest shows that its 1/6 of my real connection, but I feel its even slower, like 56k |
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| 10:06.53 | simonrvn | !qyb LenoX_ |
| 10:06.53 | dpkg | Quit Yer Bitchin', LenoX_ |
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| 10:07.34 | SQlvpapir | damn gnome-subtitles has a lot of dependencies |
| 10:07.41 | nsadmin | LenoX_: (note that drivers for hardware are in the kernel, but,,,) can you provide specific test results that show your connection to be slower than in other linux kernels? other oses? |
| 10:08.55 | nsadmin | can you show a slowdown between the machine in question and another machine in the same subnet? |
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| 10:10.03 | nsadmin | oh, you do have a result from speedtest, to what machine did you perform the speedtest to? |
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| 10:12.07 | hatter | is squid not in lenny ? |
| 10:12.23 | nsadmin | find out at packages.debian.org |
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| 10:13.35 | nsadmin | judd, versions squid |
| 10:13.37 | judd | nsadmin: squid -- etch: 2.6.5-6etch4 etch-security: 2.6.5-6etch4 etch-backports: 2.7.STABLE3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.7.STABLE3-1 sid: 2.7.STABLE3-1 |
| 10:14.45 | acemi | squid and squid3 are in Lenny |
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| 10:15.05 | spiffe | Can I get a shuff in the direction of how to install via chrome9 drivers under lenny? |
| 10:15.07 | nsadmin | that would be the three-tenticled version? |
| 10:16.15 | hatter | i see what i did, i copied a sources.list file from my install script for etch. squid is there now. |
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| 10:17.54 | nsadmin | probably no one will like this... |
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| 10:18.05 | nsadmin | but I use m4 for my sources.list |
| 10:18.26 | spiffe | So if I want 2.6.27-something I need to compile it manually under lenny? |
| 10:18.30 | simonrvn | didn't you mention this a while ago? |
| 10:18.34 | simonrvn | nsadmin: |
| 10:18.54 | nsadmin | probably not this year :) |
| 10:19.02 | simonrvn | !tell spiffe -about kp |
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| 10:19.27 | nsadmin | spiffe: you might need to compile it yourself |
| 10:19.51 | hatter | !cows |
| 10:19.51 | dpkg | cows are animals that go moo |
| 10:20.03 | hatter | awe its been changed |
| 10:20.15 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 10:20.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 10:20.23 | hatter | lol |
| 10:20.25 | nsadmin | you have to put "roses are red, violets are blue" before that |
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| 10:21.02 | spiffe | !moo |
| 10:21.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 10:21.12 | hatter | ah thats the one |
| 10:21.26 | hatter | that cracks me up every time |
| 10:21.57 | nsadmin | !factinfo cows |
| 10:21.57 | dpkg | cows -- created by jpeg <jpeg@cs314-59.spmodem.washington.edu> at Mon Apr 23 21:59:33 2001 (2812 days); it has been requested 15 times, last by hatter, 2m 6s ago. |
| 10:22.19 | hatter | !factinfo moo |
| 10:22.19 | dpkg | moo -- last modified at Wed Oct 17 15:00:59 2007 by themill!n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk; it has been requested 181 times, last by spiffe, 1m 17s ago. |
| 10:22.50 | spiffe | simonrvn: Luckily I'm not that noobish, cause the shit you made dpkg send me, is totally irellevant. Since I want to compile version over what's in apt |
| 10:23.34 | nsadmin | spiffe: perhaps you could have said so... how can he know one way or another? |
| 10:24.20 | simonrvn | spiffe: a) don't bother taking that tone with me b) that's kernel-package, and i don't get why you'd take offense over a package that makes .debs out of a kernel source tree c) fuck off |
| 10:24.29 | nsadmin | the typical helpee who comes here is tending towards "cat? what's that? does it say moooo?" |
| 10:24.33 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 10:24.36 | hatter | hmm, lenny's kernel built with gcc-4.1.3, but lenny has gcc-4.3.2 |
| 10:25.06 | simonrvn | if you're so non-newbie, help yourself then |
| 10:25.17 | nsadmin | hatter: remember lenny is still a moving target... having said that, that could be a filable bug |
| 10:27.12 | LenoX_ | am i disconnected, anyone getting this? |
| 10:27.21 | nsadmin | spiffe: also, you could have shown that you are clued and asked your question at the same time if it looked more like /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 10:27.23 | LenoX_ | this sux :( |
| 10:27.38 | nsadmin | yes, you're disconnected... |
| 10:27.41 | nsadmin | !test |
| 10:27.41 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 10:27.47 | nsadmin | see? |
| 10:28.33 | LenoX_ | am I back? |
| 10:28.51 | LenoX_ | wpa supplicant only connects if I have broadcast ssid enabled and new stations automatically allowed :( |
| 10:29.33 | nsadmin | is that a function of your wap? |
| 10:29.53 | spx2 | I have two ethernet cards , eth0 and eth1 , eth0 is configured correctly for the internet,eth1 is not configured,when I plug a cable in eth1 , eth0 stops working , why ? |
| 10:29.53 | LenoX_ | what? |
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| 10:29.58 | spx2 | how can I find out ? |
| 10:30.22 | LenoX_ | nsadmin: connects fine under w32 with ssid disabled, new stations disabled |
| 10:30.39 | nsadmin | hmm, seems weird. |
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| 10:30.54 | nsadmin | so evidently it's not a function of your wap |
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| 10:31.14 | simonrvn | probably handled via software in the M$hit driver |
| 10:31.16 | cahoot | In order to be able to associate to hidden ssids, please try to set the option 'ap_scan=1' in the global section, and 'scan_ssid=1' in your network block section of your wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 10:31.26 | nsadmin | LenoX_: do things appear faster under win? |
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| 10:31.37 | spx2 | I have two ethernet cards , eth0 and eth1 , eth0 is configured correctly for the internet,eth1 is not configured,when I plug a cable in eth1 , eth0 stops working , why ? |
| 10:31.43 | LenoX_ | nsadmin: the connection sure does |
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| 10:32.33 | nsadmin | spx2: maybe something shows up in a log file when you plug/unplug |
| 10:32.35 | LenoX_ | it got a bit better here too though, it felt like 56k before.. |
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| 10:32.43 | nsadmin | maybe /var/log/messages |
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| 10:33.11 | LenoX_ | now speedtest is showing about 50% of my real connection capability |
| 10:33.30 | cahoot | what kind of device? |
| 10:33.49 | nsadmin | does speedtest ask for an ip address of another machine to test against? |
| 10:34.42 | LenoX_ | no |
| 10:34.51 | LenoX_ | rtl8187b |
| 10:34.52 | nsadmin | LenoX_: from the 56k feeling to half your connection capability sounds like a big change... I wonder how/why that happens |
| 10:35.16 | LenoX_ | dont know, reconnected and it got a bit better |
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| 10:35.48 | Phasy | how do i install software which is not found by the package manager? |
| 10:36.09 | nsadmin | Phasy: depends what form it comes in |
| 10:36.23 | Phasy | nsadmin, well, the site is giving me an .sh file |
| 10:36.23 | nsadmin | you can compile if it comes as source |
| 10:36.38 | nsadmin | oh, sh thatfile.sh |
| 10:36.59 | Phasy | and it will magically install? |
| 10:36.59 | hatter | which package do i need for ncurses ? |
| 10:37.13 | cahoot | what is it you try to install? |
| 10:37.17 | spiffe | hatter: if you need to compile libncurses5-dev |
| 10:37.21 | nsadmin | hatter: to run somethign already compiled? |
| 10:37.27 | hatter | to compile a kernel |
| 10:37.36 | nsadmin | yeah, see spiffe. |
| 10:37.40 | hatter | thx |
| 10:37.41 | Phasy | cahoot, netbeans |
| 10:37.54 | spiffe | hatter: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 10:37.58 | nsadmin | I installed netbeans that way |
| 10:38.01 | hatter | spiffe, thx |
| 10:38.27 | nsadmin | you have a java dk installed? |
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| 10:38.53 | Phasy | nope |
| 10:38.55 | Phasy | not yet |
| 10:39.16 | nsadmin | you need at least a jre unless you will be developing in java in which case you would need a jdk |
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| 10:39.23 | K_Sakura | Note to self: create a "/hate" plugin for pidgin -- to spew a list of things specific to the user or channel that one is talking to/in. |
| 10:39.24 | Phasy | i know nsadmin :) |
| 10:39.28 | nsadmin | you might need it to install netbeans |
| 10:39.35 | Phasy | hows the package called in the reps? |
| 10:40.01 | nsadmin | oh, java? forgot :) there's lots of versions to pick from |
| 10:40.29 | cahoot | Phasy: fwiw netbeans seems to be available for lenny |
| 10:40.39 | Phasy | fwiw? |
| 10:40.53 | nsadmin | for whichever's in winter |
| 10:41.12 | nsadmin | for whatever it's worth |
| 10:41.48 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:42.53 | Phasy | there`s 6.5 released you know |
| 10:43.10 | nsadmin | aha. |
| 10:43.18 | nsadmin | so then it depends on what you want |
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| 10:43.49 | spx2 | nsadmin: ? |
| 10:44.06 | nsadmin | spx2: ! |
| 10:44.12 | spiffe | interesting upgrades from 2.6.27-x 2.6.28 |
| 10:44.38 | cahoot | spx2: do you mean eth0 disappears from ifconfig -a if you plug in eth1? |
| 10:45.01 | spx2 | cahoot: no,but the internet connection on eth0 breaks |
| 10:45.27 | cahoot | spx2: what happens if you execute dhclient eth0? |
| 10:45.31 | nsadmin | maybe there's an overlapping subnet |
| 10:46.11 | spx2 | nsadmin: how can I find out if htat's the case ? |
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| 10:46.34 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 10:46.43 | spx2 | cahoot: the other computer is running windows |
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| 10:47.01 | spx2 | nsadmin: I'm trying to accomplish my eth0 not breaking when I plug in cable on eth1 |
| 10:47.15 | nsadmin | why do you have two cards? |
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| 10:48.05 | spx2 | nsadmin: after I hopefully will fix the eth1 breaking eth0 I would like to make a nat |
| 10:48.17 | spx2 | nsadmin: but if I can't fix this problem I cannot get to the nat |
| 10:48.19 | nsadmin | does this happen when there is not another machine at the other end of the cable for eth1? |
| 10:48.29 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 10:49.08 | nsadmin | btw, there's a package for that |
| 10:49.13 | nsadmin | it's called ipmasq |
| 10:49.35 | nsadmin | once you have your interfaces set up, you install that |
| 10:49.49 | phorce1 | plug in eth1 then run 'route' and see if you have two default routes defined |
| 10:49.49 | nsadmin | and it calculates a nat |
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| 10:49.57 | phorce1 | spx2: ^^^ |
| 10:50.23 | spx2 | phorce1: and if it prints just one route and then lags my console blocking it ? |
| 10:50.27 | spx2 | what does that mean ? |
| 10:50.44 | spiffe | funny have to set up sshd just to compile, since screen is to small :P |
| 10:50.47 | nsadmin | let's not do "if", show us what is true |
| 10:50.58 | phorce1 | spx2: right now, run route and see what it says for default |
| 10:51.22 | nsadmin | spiffe: are the two machines different arch? |
| 10:51.27 | phorce1 | spx2: then plug in eth1 and see if you end up with 2 "default" lines that are different |
| 10:51.45 | spx2 | nsadmin: ignore the if |
| 10:51.58 | spx2 | nsadmin: it's exactly as I wrote above,prints one root and then lags |
| 10:51.59 | spiffe | nsadmin: what's that got to do with anything? |
| 10:52.03 | nsadmin | ok, then please pastebin the routing table :) |
| 10:52.06 | Phasy | what was the search comman for apt-get |
| 10:52.08 | Phasy | ? |
| 10:52.21 | spiffe | Phasy: apt-cache search keyword |
| 10:52.23 | spx2 | nsadmin: I'm not at the machine , nor do I have access to it,I will probably tommorow or 2 days from now |
| 10:52.29 | Phasy | ty |
| 10:52.31 | nsadmin | spiffe: if they are the same arch, you can compile on the faster machine |
| 10:52.37 | phorce1 | spx2: wait for it to finish -- when it's screwed up it takes a few minutes |
| 10:53.05 | spiffe | nsadmin: nah not same arch, just got a 2133 on my desk, had windows on it for 1 boot :) |
| 10:53.21 | spx2 | thank you nsadmin |
| 10:53.25 | spx2 | thank you phorce1 |
| 10:53.32 | spx2 | I will probably be getting back with some more data |
| 10:53.39 | nsadmin | spx2: it would be more interactive if you could come here or wherever when you have access to both machines |
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| 10:53.58 | spx2 | nsadmin: yes,I will do that |
| 10:53.58 | nsadmin | and therefore more comfortable and faster |
| 10:54.05 | phorce1 | spx2: if you end up with two default routes then type once 'route del default' to get rid of the second one and see if your eth1+eth0 both start working |
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| 10:54.51 | phorce1 | has 3 cards running at times -- two to different DSL modems and one to a static /24 on a T-1 |
| 10:54.52 | nsadmin | phorce1/spx2 it would also be a good thing to try to find out why the other default route is showing up if that's the case |
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| 10:55.11 | phorce1 | nsadmin: dhcp getting stupid |
| 10:55.30 | nsadmin | I can see how that could happe |
| 10:55.35 | nsadmin | n |
| 10:56.44 | phorce1 | nsadmin: Because I switch subnets I ended up adjusting my /etc/network/interfaces to add an 'up route del default' after every entry that uses dhcp rather than messing around in the dhcp configs |
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| 10:56.57 | Phasy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.23 | nsadmin | Phasy: depends on which toolkit you want to program against |
| 10:57.33 | Phasy | the ordinary one |
| 10:57.44 | nsadmin | you mean sun? |
| 10:57.48 | Phasy | which window users download from sun.java.com |
| 10:57.58 | nsadmin | so you do mean sun |
| 10:58.05 | phorce1 | is going back to sleep now. 2 hours 'til work starts |
| 10:58.07 | Phasy | yes i guess |
| 10:58.07 | nsadmin | try the default |
| 10:58.16 | spiffe | works for sun |
| 10:58.34 | nsadmin | but I'm not sure that's it; again, there are many versions to pick from |
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| 10:59.20 | nsadmin | I wouldn't be surprised if netbeans could pick from several installed and have that be a parameter of the project |
| 10:59.38 | omercnet`1 | hi ho, I'm looking for a deb repo web browser application or framework of some sort, has anyone seen anything like that? |
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| 10:59.48 | Phasy | why would ppl want other java dev kits? |
| 10:59.55 | Phasy | that`s pretty stupid imho |
| 11:00.00 | nsadmin | license? |
| 11:00.06 | chlue | Hello the forced fsck (after 21 mounts) found some errors on boot which leads to a automatic restart of my system. During the restart fsck war run again and now I see only "/dev/hda3: clean, ..." in my log in /var/log/fsck/checkroot. Is the output of the first run stored somewhere else? |
| 11:00.15 | nsadmin | that's probably the main choice point |
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| 11:00.36 | nsadmin | if openjdk works for a given project, there moght be no reason to pick another |
| 11:00.43 | nsadmin | might |
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| 11:01.10 | Phasy | what license problems there can be with the original sun jdk? |
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| 11:01.22 | annaimkonki | enters and asks.. "has anyone succeeded on getting a PS3 to work with mediatomb or other dlna/upnp apps"? can u point me to the tutorial? thanks |
| 11:02.57 | ghaleb | hello, how can I limit my eth0 upload and download to 1mg to emulate a WAN interface ? |
| 11:03.27 | avu | !lartc |
| 11:03.27 | dpkg | methinks lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 11:03.43 | avu | ghaleb, there you can learn about using traffic shaping |
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| 11:04.07 | avu | a simple userspace solution for single applications is 'trickle' |
| 11:04.52 | spiffe | lartc is kinda outdates, but works. |
| 11:05.22 | ghaleb | avu: thank you I will check it out .. I know some tc .. is it related ? |
| 11:05.30 | avu | ghaleb, yes. |
| 11:05.39 | spiffe | tc is exactly what it is. |
| 11:05.42 | nsadmin | one thing, you can only rate-limit what you send out, you can't do anything about what comes in unless it involves some sort of handshaking |
| 11:06.12 | avu | that's only true in theory though |
| 11:06.38 | bolt | is there a nice console application which can figure out what is constantly accessing my harddrive? |
| 11:06.44 | spiffe | iptables/squid/tc, can limit anything. |
| 11:06.47 | nsadmin | theoretically, incoming packets aren't going to wait |
| 11:07.10 | ghaleb | ah yeah right .. I want to rate limit for sending out is max 1mb |
| 11:07.36 | avu | nsadmin, well, it works well in practice though :) |
| 11:07.43 | spiffe | Not sure I'm gonna contribute to this subject. |
| 11:07.46 | ghaleb | so it's possible to control with tc |
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| 11:08.04 | nsadmin | wait, you don't want to rate limit, you want to limit the size of a whole transmission |
| 11:08.07 | nsadmin | right? |
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| 11:08.40 | avu | I'd bet that when he says 'mb', he actually means megabyte per second oder megabit per second |
| 11:08.57 | avu | oh, some german creeping in there :) |
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| 11:09.48 | ghaleb | hmm .. then there is a hole .. I want to simulate a WAN interface and check if my traffic is able to be collected using 1mb wan connection |
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| 11:10.00 | nsadmin | avu: that could be because there is handshaking, that is, the received stuff is broken down and due to the protocol the receiver sends ACK packets... you can rate limit the acks |
| 11:10.29 | bolt | my harddrive light keeps flickering, even though nothing i run should be using it that much. how can i figure out which process is doing that? need something console-based (no X or fb on it) |
| 11:10.41 | avu | nsadmin, that's not really "handshaking". but yes, that's how TCP works. when packets get dropped, the sender usually slows down |
| 11:10.53 | ghaleb | I guess as avu said .. 1 mb/s |
| 11:11.01 | nsadmin | bolt: unix works like that |
| 11:11.10 | bolt | nsadmin: huh? |
| 11:11.22 | avu | bolt, 'flickering' about once every 3 seconds? :) |
| 11:11.36 | bolt | avu: no, as in quite constantly |
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| 11:11.52 | nsadmin | hmm, it's probably not logs |
| 11:12.10 | nsadmin | got any other users on your box? |
| 11:12.19 | bolt | avu: not as a heavy read/write process, but there's definately something going on. i'd say it sounds heavy every 2 seconds and it still flickering inbetween |
| 11:12.32 | avu | bolt, you could try using inotify. or iotop if your kernel is new enough to support it |
| 11:12.49 | ghaleb | so nsadmin avu I want rate-limit for sending out of my box to be limited to 1mb/s instead of 100mb/ps |
| 11:12.51 | bolt | 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 11:13.21 | avu | ghaleb, you already have the information you need, what mroe do you want from us? |
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| 11:13.32 | bolt | nsadmin: nope, but quite a lot of me |
| 11:13.33 | avu | bolt, yeah, it works from 2.6.20 on I think |
| 11:13.35 | ghaleb | do I ? :D |
| 11:13.43 | avu | !lartc |
| 11:13.44 | dpkg | somebody said lartc was Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 11:13.47 | avu | there you go again |
| 11:14.00 | ghaleb | okay thanks |
| 11:14.22 | bolt | nsadmin: this server runs my mail, samba shares, and lots of other stuff, but i'm not using any of it atm. so one of these things is causing a lot of activity when idle |
| 11:14.37 | omercnet`1 | hi ho, I'm looking for a deb repo web browser application or framework of some sort, has anyone seen anything like that? |
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| 11:15.05 | nsadmin | bolt: you're running a lot of stuff that uses disk files... what can I tell ya? :) |
| 11:15.29 | Phasy | nsadmin, any idea why can`t i join #java? |
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| 11:15.34 | Phasy | i have identified |
| 11:15.58 | Phasy | * #java ##java :Forwarding to another channel |
| 11:15.59 | Phasy | * ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 11:16.00 | chlue | hm iotop is a nice toy. Pays of to lurk in this channel :-) |
| 11:16.17 | avu | Phasy, you're not identified |
| 11:16.20 | Phasy | i am |
| 11:16.24 | avu | no |
| 11:16.26 | bolt | ah. iotop shows it's my virtual machine. stupid vmware. the vm only runs apache for testing purposes, and i'm not accessing any webpages on it atm. this gave a good indication, though. i'll try the same in the vm, i think, and see which service on it is causing this :) |
| 11:16.27 | bolt | thanks |
| 11:16.42 | Phasy | -NickServ- You are already logged in as Phasy. |
| 11:16.42 | Phasy | * #java ##java :Forwarding to another channel |
| 11:16.42 | Phasy | * ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 11:16.57 | avu | Phasy, I told you, you're not identified |
| 11:17.08 | avu | Phasy, nickserv has hickups sometimes, sign in again |
| 11:17.39 | Phasy | nothing helps |
| 11:17.39 | xingu_ | bolt: see lm-profiler(8) |
| 11:17.44 | Phasy | this sux |
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| 11:18.30 | nsadmin | Phasy: reg another nick |
| 11:18.36 | Phasy | great idea |
| 11:18.38 | Phasy | :)) |
| 11:18.38 | avu | Phasy, you're still not identified btw. also, this is off-topic here, go ask #freenode |
| 11:18.47 | Phasy | ok |
| 11:19.07 | nsadmin | like Phasey |
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| 11:19.50 | nsadmin | or Fayzee |
| 11:20.07 | _POWER_ | ·.¸¸.·´¯`> buenas |
| 11:20.15 | Phasy | That is not a solution u know |
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| 11:20.41 | nsadmin | I say separate the two problems |
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| 11:20.48 | nsadmin | you want to get to the channel |
| 11:20.49 | phorce1 | Phasy: try joining ##java directly since it's a forward |
| 11:20.52 | _POWER_ | ·.¸¸.·´¯`> alguien habla mi idioma |
| 11:21.03 | avu | really, this is #debian, not #freenode :) |
| 11:21.04 | avu | !es |
| 11:21.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:21.09 | nsadmin | that's one problem, the other is somethign about your nick |
| 11:21.11 | avu | or is it |
| 11:21.12 | avu | !pt |
| 11:21.12 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 11:21.22 | avu | I can never tell those two appart |
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| 11:21.56 | avu | well, seems like at least one of them was right :) |
| 11:22.42 | nsadmin | if that's not the case, then neither was right :) |
| 11:22.58 | spiffe | How come lenny is running old kernel? :( |
| 11:23.18 | nsadmin | you have an old kernel installed |
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| 11:24.12 | spiffe | Currently compiling, but wificard is first supported in 2.6.27-9, same with viachrome for my box. |
| 11:24.14 | nsadmin | look in /boot to see what you have |
| 11:24.26 | hatter | hmm, krenel compile takes a while |
| 11:24.30 | amphi | avu: FWIW, it was es ;) |
| 11:24.42 | spiffe | nsadmin: umame -r tells you easiest what you have ;) |
| 11:24.59 | avu | amphi, ah, thanks :) |
| 11:25.09 | nsadmin | tha tells you what you're running, not what you could be running if you have other kernels |
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| 11:25.41 | spiffe | with that stement, I would have to search my whole box for a 'possible' kernel |
| 11:26.09 | phorce1 | avu: and s/he asked "where is my language spoken?" so you answered correctly |
| 11:26.18 | amphi | spiffe: there's nothing to stop you building your own kernel on lenny - I'm running .28 here |
| 11:26.19 | nsadmin | in debian, they're always installed in /boot together with their config fil |
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| 11:26.41 | spiffe | amphi: Well I'm building it as we speak, but C7 takes 4ever to build :P |
| 11:26.42 | nsadmin | those kernels that have been built with make-kpkg |
| 11:26.43 | amphi | !tell spiffe -about kernel-package |
| 11:26.55 | nsadmin | he's seen that |
| 11:26.59 | spiffe | funny... |
| 11:27.01 | amphi | good-oh ;) |
| 11:27.05 | spiffe | everyone wants to to run a pkg |
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| 11:27.10 | LenoX_ | is wpa supplicant supposed to be left dangling? |
| 11:27.21 | LenoX_ | or can I close the window |
| 11:27.44 | amphi | spiffe: kernel-package builds your kernel and creates a deb for easy installation/removal |
| 11:27.47 | spiffe | however...2.6.26 is just availanle in lenny. |
| 11:27.54 | nsadmin | spiffe: it's very handy to have the whole result of compiling the kernel be in a package |
| 11:28.07 | nsadmin | even handier when you can do it yourself |
| 11:28.08 | spiffe | Might be something I've missed then |
| 11:28.40 | spiffe | installed debian about 8 years ago, that server is still up running with only security patches. |
| 11:28.41 | nsadmin | I dunno, you might find it useful |
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| 11:29.03 | nsadmin | 8-year uptime?? |
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| 11:29.33 | spiffe | I've takes it down two times for service. |
| 11:29.33 | spiffe | so it's the oldest in my army |
| 11:29.34 | TwistOfFate | ipmressive |
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| 11:30.34 | spiffe | Dont think I've tried that kernel pkgthingy, I thought I was being futuristic while typing make all ;) |
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| 11:30.39 | nsadmin | so it's an average of 2.66 years three time |
| 11:30.41 | nsadmin | s |
| 11:30.46 | Phasy | if something is a .bin file it means i can lauch it by ./file.bin ? |
| 11:31.26 | spiffe | make all isnt too debianish I see |
| 11:31.39 | nsadmin | Phasy: you either deal with it by hand (find instructions) or look into make-jpkg |
| 11:31.43 | cahoot | Phasy: the suffix per se is irrelevant |
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| 11:32.27 | nsadmin | Phasy: maybe file thatfile.bin will guess what it is |
| 11:33.07 | Arafangion | hoxu: Turns out the .TOP file format is rather simplistic, and someone's made perl and python scripts to convert them to .svg. :) (You probably don't care, but I always like letting people know the results of any investigation that they contributed to) This was about my Medion graphics tablet. |
| 11:33.36 | hoxu | Arafangion, it's true that I'm not overly intrigued, but reporting back is a very good habit. Thanks! |
| 11:34.15 | Phasy | nsadmin, what is make-jpkg? |
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| 11:34.36 | Arafangion | hoxu: It's impressive that a random junk piece of hardware works nicely in Linux, seems that it's finally trumping Windows in this arena. :) |
| 11:34.40 | K_Sakura | Opinion, what colour is predominant here? http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2598/shitzi3.png |
| 11:34.47 | hoxu | Arafangion, :) |
| 11:35.07 | Arafangion | K_Sakura: Black. |
| 11:35.11 | nsadmin | takes a .bin that has a jdk or jre in it and makes a debian package that knows how to install the bin properly |
| 11:35.14 | K_Sakura | Thats what I said. |
| 11:35.23 | hoxu | K_Sakura, ... is not a color, like the question is not on topic |
| 11:35.39 | Arafangion | hoxu: It depends on which definition of colour one is using. |
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| 11:35.55 | Phasy | nsadmin, but i have no such command |
| 11:35.59 | Arafangion | hoxu: But... I did have that discussion in a maths class at one point, which I started. ;) |
| 11:36.00 | cahoot | probably isn't 'true black' |
| 11:36.08 | spiffe | tbh that was way to much fuss building 'debian way' |
| 11:36.13 | Arafangion | cahoot: Specifically, black is the absense of colour. |
| 11:36.15 | nsadmin | Pink Floyd said it best on the backside of the "Money" single: Any Colour You Like" |
| 11:36.20 | K_Sakura | I was told on another channel that that was gray -- and I could only think "Eh?" |
| 11:36.28 | esthar | The 2.6.26 Xen kernel in Lenny... does the domU support use the paravirt_ops in vanilla Linux kernel or upgraded patches from 2.6.18? |
| 11:36.29 | hatter | oh crap, do i have to do something to the initramfs after rebuilding the kernel ? |
| 11:36.29 | Arafangion | /but/, if colour is a pigment, then it's the sum of all colours. |
| 11:36.39 | dondelelcaro | whatever color is, it's not on topic here |
| 11:36.49 | Arafangion | shuts up. :) |
| 11:36.56 | Arafangion | returns to his graphics tablet. |
| 11:37.51 | LenoX_ | what do I need to install for shockwave flash |
| 11:39.07 | hatter | is the .config from the running kernel enough for s/w raid ? i just rebuilt current kernel so it was built with latest gcc |
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| 11:39.20 | nsadmin | Phasy: it's in the package "java-package" |
| 11:39.53 | lostson | LenoX_: you need to go here and read up http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 11:40.06 | Phasy | no such package man |
| 11:40.44 | Arafangion | flash's got linux support now, btw. |
| 11:40.44 | nsadmin | judd, versions java-package |
| 11:40.47 | judd | nsadmin: java-package -- etch/contrib: 0.28 lenny/contrib: 0.42 sid/contrib: 0.42 |
| 11:40.54 | enouf | LenoX_: /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 11:40.59 | Eulex | Phasy, it's in contrib |
| 11:41.12 | spiffe | I'm actually thinking of doing it lazyway :P |
| 11:42.21 | nsadmin | using make-kpkg is the lazy way,,, it does all the compiling for you, and optionally even causes the packaging it produces to build the initrd |
| 11:42.54 | simonrvn | man make-kpkg ... has a bunch of options ;). |
| 11:43.36 | nsadmin | and make-kpkg --targets |
| 11:43.37 | spiffe | ya but lazyway is like ubuntu |
| 11:43.53 | hatter | so we are thinking that the initramfs image will include the md array ? |
| 11:43.53 | spiffe | updated kernels and stuff, everything works out of the box. |
| 11:43.54 | nsadmin | ubuntu uses make-kpkg, doesn't it |
| 11:44.11 | spiffe | sure it does, but one dont have to learn how to use it :) |
| 11:44.18 | nsadmin | oh, I see... they wait for the user to find the bugs... |
| 11:44.40 | spiffe | worked with *nix for about 16 years now, still I cant keep up with all flavours. |
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| 11:44.59 | nsadmin | there are a lot |
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| 11:46.47 | spiffe | that --append-to-version=can_be_used_as_identifier? |
| 11:47.58 | enouf | spiffe: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 11:48.41 | enouf | lazy way? wt4x? |
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| 11:48.45 | hatter | after i just rebuilt my kernel, i dont appear to have a initrd.img for it |
| 11:48.58 | enouf | what are you weenies f'n talking about - it builds a deb for you |
| 11:49.45 | enouf | hatter: so .. er, if you used make-kpkg, did you use --initrd ? |
| 11:49.57 | hatter | enouf, no, i didn't. |
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| 11:50.11 | nsadmin | he's saying the lazy way is to install existing packages |
| 11:50.12 | enouf | uh, that's 2 questions ;-) |
| 11:50.23 | simonrvn | wth wants to keep up with all the flavours anyway... why bother. waste of time, imo. |
| 11:50.34 | hatter | enouf, yes, i used make-kpkg but i didnt think of the --initrd |
| 11:50.42 | enouf | oh, i gotcha, it was spiffe |
| 11:50.52 | nsadmin | that makes the resulting package build the initrd for you |
| 11:50.55 | simonrvn | so re-run with the option |
| 11:50.58 | enouf | hatter: go back and try again ;-) |
| 11:51.00 | spiffe | it was me! :) |
| 11:51.15 | spiffe | enouf: I'll try run a build out of that |
| 11:51.28 | spiffe | I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
| 11:51.36 | spiffe | heh it's a dude in there? :D |
| 11:51.58 | enouf | hatter: actually - i recall something about running mkinitramfs{-kpkg}/update-initramfs on the image though .. hrm, if one forgot to pass it the initrd option |
| 11:52.03 | nsadmin | dudes don't have a monopoly on confusion you know |
| 11:52.28 | hatter | enouf, oohh, that might save some time |
| 11:52.49 | enouf | hatter: yes, but you'll have to grep all through the docs |
| 11:52.56 | dutchfish | morning guys, after quiet some time fiddling with bluetooth tools i am still not able to connect properly to a GPS device, this Debian Lenny latest on 2.6.28 kernel see my testing and logs at: http://debian.pastebin.com/m7e144c3d ... any help greatly apreciated |
| 11:53.02 | nsadmin | hatter: yeah, you coudl also rebuild the package later if you really want to |
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| 11:53.22 | enouf | hatter: and, presuming you didn't all the initramfs options in the config |
| 11:53.30 | enouf | s/all/alter |
| 11:54.05 | hatter | enouf, i used the .config from the running kernel |
| 11:54.12 | hatter | which is the current default lenny kernel |
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| 11:54.19 | simonrvn | which reminds me... |
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| 11:54.27 | clamiax | hi |
| 11:54.32 | nsadmin | --initrd and having ramdisks to load with the kernel requires that the kernel have a coupla things built in |
| 11:54.57 | enouf | dutchfish: fwiw, i've seen various people posting errors about using gspca stuffs in here .. that's all they do, .. i feel bad, nobody ever replies to those queries ;-) |
| 11:55.03 | clamiax | I dealed with kernel modules and drivers (debian way, no recompilation) and now i'm not able to found the videodev module. Should i reinstall some package? |
| 11:55.13 | hatter | so the kernel that just compiled... will it run without the initrd ? |
| 11:55.24 | enouf | hatter: running kernel == debian linux-image-version kernel? |
| 11:55.33 | hatter | enouf, yes |
| 11:55.51 | dutchfish | enouf, will i will go to the bottom of this, but i am frankly quiet new to bluetooth, i RTFM to the last bit, so thats i posted my log and findings |
| 11:55.52 | enouf | hatter: and, did you run make oldconfig (atleast) prior to building |
| 11:56.09 | enouf | dutchfish: indeed .. i'll look |
| 11:56.19 | nsadmin | if you didn't include the stuff necessary to mount / then it won't run without the ramdisk image |
| 11:56.33 | hatter | enouf, no, i ran make menuconfig then loaded the .config file from /boot/ |
| 11:56.40 | enouf | er.. |
| 11:56.45 | enouf | that's backwards |
| 11:56.46 | flyback | zzz |
| 11:56.55 | nsadmin | then you overwrote your changes maybe |
| 11:57.02 | va | quit |
| 11:57.10 | enouf | hatter: and, redo it all - there's 'new' options you missed now |
| 11:57.17 | LenoX_ | which one, flashplugin-nonfree or flashplayer-mozilla? |
| 11:57.40 | enouf | hatter: cp over the config, rename it .config, run make oldconfig, then tweak it with make menuconfig, then make-kpkg |
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| 11:58.00 | enouf | hatter: run make-kpkg clean prior to all that |
| 11:58.00 | hatter | enouf, and the --initrd option ? |
| 11:58.10 | enouf | hatter: add that ;-) |
| 11:58.22 | enouf | !tell hatter about kp mantra |
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| 11:58.57 | nsadmin | the way that has worked across the entire history is... |
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| 11:59.18 | nsadmin | first cd into the kernel source |
| 11:59.23 | nsadmin | run make mrproper |
| 11:59.35 | nsadmin | then copy the config file from /boot |
| 11:59.40 | nsadmin | then run make oldconfig |
| 12:00.13 | nsadmin | then copy the resulting .config out to a backup |
| 12:00.13 | dutchfish | enouf, what i discovered so far that windows does connect over 2 serial ports instead of one, namely 1 for the sending and one for the receiving comm |
| 12:00.13 | nsadmin | then run make menuconfig |
| 12:00.13 | simonrvn | mrproper shouldn't be run anymore |
| 12:00.19 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 12:00.40 | enouf | hatter: for md devices, support i've found in .26 is even hard to remove via blacklisting., so you should be good, but if needed you want to add/list the required modules to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (dm{setup}, any other controller modules, lvm, whatever) later, and run update-initramfs (see the man pages for that and for mkinitramfs) |
| 12:00.43 | simonrvn | it's deprecated |
| 12:00.59 | simonrvn | i don't think that target even exists anymore |
| 12:01.23 | nsadmin | anyway... |
| 12:01.25 | simonrvn | the rest is fine |
| 12:01.36 | nsadmin | as you run make menuconfig, make your changes, and exit, savign the config |
| 12:01.57 | nsadmin | once you do that, the .config reflects your changes, and maybe you should back it up |
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| 12:02.18 | nsadmin | after that, build the kernel with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 12:02.59 | simonrvn | might want to add kernel_headers too |
| 12:03.15 | nsadmin | or if you think you'll need headers, you can run make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 12:03.31 | nsadmin | was just typing that :) |
| 12:03.37 | simonrvn | :) |
| 12:03.42 | hatter | yes will need headers |
| 12:03.44 | hatter | thx all |
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| 12:04.19 | enouf | crap dutchfish - i know nothing about BT devices, not GPS and shit .. but i'm reviewing ;-) |
| 12:04.28 | enouf | s.not.nor |
| 12:04.30 | nsadmin | anyways, there are two additional packages make-kpkg will build, one's the docs, and I forget the other oen |
| 12:04.31 | clamiax | solved. |
| 12:04.58 | nsadmin | look at make-kpkg --targets |
| 12:05.04 | enouf | hatter: no, instead of header, you might want modules_image |
| 12:05.21 | enouf | you don't need no stinkin headers pkg |
| 12:05.30 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:05.32 | dutchfish | enouf, at least i got bluetooth working but i think its either the password phrase is not send of i need to setup encoding (no idde how) like in encoding: 0x6a |
| 12:06.18 | nsadmin | oh, isn't that for if there are module sources in /usr/src/kernel? |
| 12:06.18 | enouf | maybe, i forget |
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| 12:06.30 | nsadmin | I think that's what m-a calls |
| 12:06.35 | enouf | or .. it builds a distributable linux-modules-version pkg |
| 12:07.08 | nsadmin | maybe... but I'm pretty sure it builds the modules into the linux-image package |
| 12:07.20 | enouf | but IIRC, kernel_image will have all required modules, if you don't slaughter menuconfig |
| 12:07.57 | enouf | either way, so long as you keep the src around, you can easily build any one of those targets later |
| 12:08.08 | nsadmin | yep |
| 12:08.21 | spiffe | so there arent any prebuilt kernel images? |
| 12:08.25 | spiffe | like some stock thingys |
| 12:08.27 | enouf | sur there are |
| 12:08.31 | nsadmin | sure there are |
| 12:08.42 | enouf | but we like to make believe we're using gentoo every now and then |
| 12:08.44 | hatter | will make-kpkg use dual cores if the are available ? |
| 12:08.47 | enouf | yes |
| 12:08.48 | spiffe | why am I compiling myself ? :) |
| 12:08.52 | nsadmin | but not necessarily the latest and greatest |
| 12:09.08 | nsadmin | you want to get your shit together? |
| 12:09.22 | enouf | hatter: you might need to pass/set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL= option |
| 12:09.26 | enouf | er variable |
| 12:09.26 | nsadmin | has never compiled himself... |
| 12:10.16 | nsadmin | hatter: it calls make which can take -j |
| 12:10.21 | spiffe | but I bet there arent any premade for 2.6.28? |
| 12:10.37 | enouf | hatter: look that up in man make-kpkg - it's all there |
| 12:10.39 | nsadmin | maybe not |
| 12:10.58 | hatter | i know vmware is not supported here, but i am rebuilding this lenny kernel because the vmware installer complained that the kernel was compiled with gcc-4.1.3 and the system has gcc-4.3.2 |
| 12:11.15 | enouf | spiffe: no, not yet - .27 was just done in December |
| 12:11.30 | spiffe | Its to old ;( |
| 12:11.34 | enouf | spiffe: but the source from mainline for .28 is likely just making it into buildd areas .. likely |
| 12:11.39 | nsadmin | why? |
| 12:11.42 | enouf | !sns |
| 12:11.42 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 12:12.04 | hatter | lol, those factoids are funny |
| 12:12.14 | hatter | read the one about webmin... |
| 12:12.19 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 12:12.19 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 12:12.22 | spiffe | .29-9 had my wifi |
| 12:12.22 | enouf | hatter: the fix for that is ... |
| 12:12.56 | spiffe | .27-9* |
| 12:13.01 | enouf | export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 on the command line you run the build in/on |
| 12:13.08 | enouf | hatter: install it |
| 12:13.29 | enouf | hatter: various gcc versions will happily sit alongside each other |
| 12:13.44 | hatter | enouf, oh ? |
| 12:13.50 | enouf | export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 on the command line (in the shell) you run the build in/on |
| 12:13.58 | nsadmin | and the same gcc binary can control them all |
| 12:14.09 | enouf | hatter: yes, nvidia binary blobs have the same deadhead kind of issue |
| 12:14.13 | nsadmin | I don't think debian uses that little fact |
| 12:14.13 | Arafangion | enouf: You should educate dpkg that not only do the slashdot crowd suffer it, but also MSDN subscribers. |
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| 12:14.34 | enouf | Arafangion: but those people are way too far gone :-P |
| 12:15.07 | enouf | goes off to drop a morning boa |
| 12:15.12 | Arafangion | enouf: Arguably. :) |
| 12:15.58 | hatter | enouf, are you saying run the export command before the vmware-install ? |
| 12:16.43 | nsadmin | that gets the variable into your env so vmware-install has a chance to see it |
| 12:17.56 | dutchfish | enouf, managed to get some more info out of the device: http://debian.pastebin.com/m573b0fab |
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| 12:19.02 | LenoX_ | Bye |
| 12:21.32 | dutchfish | enouf, it looks that i need to swing this microdongle in a certain mode before i can read it out for the purpose i need |
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| 12:25.28 | enouf | !tias hatter |
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| 12:25.52 | enouf | er, yes hatter - in the same shell that you run the install{er} |
| 12:27.01 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm still not done reviewing your last paste :-P .. btw, is this a typo/paste brainfart? line 46 |
| 12:27.12 | enouf | dutchfish: of your 1st paste |
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| 12:28.38 | spiffe | meeep |
| 12:28.38 | hatter | crap, now vmware craps out... have to find a vmware-any-any thing for thkernel i guess |
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| 12:29.47 | LoonaTick | Hi, somehow my MySQL client doesn't resolve hostnames. Does anyone have an idea how this can be? |
| 12:29.53 | enouf | hatter: whine much? |
| 12:29.55 | dutchfish | enouf, a paste error forget about :/etc/bluetooth# |
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| 12:30.01 | Arafangion | Why is it that, if I start a program from the panel with command: xterm -e irssi |
| 12:30.02 | LoonaTick | ping resolves hostnames, etc, but MySQL client does not. |
| 12:30.12 | enouf | dutchfish: no worries then |
| 12:30.14 | Arafangion | I can not close it with alt-f4 nor can I close it by clicking on the little x? |
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| 12:30.23 | Arafangion | (Using the Gnome DE) |
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| 12:30.47 | gambler_ | is there a way to only apt-get security updates? |
| 12:30.49 | hatter | enouf, :) yes, i am tired... i want to sleep... this hardware wouldnt work with etch so i had to use lenny, now lenny wont let me use vmware without staying awake longer... whine whine |
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| 12:31.01 | Arafangion | gambler_: Comment out all other source lines, and update. |
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| 12:31.14 | hatter | enouf, thx for your help though |
| 12:31.26 | gambler_ | Arafangion, can you elaborate? Comment out from where |
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| 12:31.41 | Arafangion | gambler_: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:31.49 | jelly-home | gambler_: if you're using debian stable, you'll only get security and critical fixes anyway. |
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| 12:32.15 | gambler_ | its a VM appliance, provides one app, based on debian. |
| 12:32.34 | LoonaTick | http://pastebin.com/m51cd7291 - the console output. ping resolves perfectly, only MySQL cannot connect to hostnames. |
| 12:32.39 | enouf | hatter: have you installed gcc-4.1.3 as well? Lenny ships with 4.3.x now, but the kernels were built with 4.1.x, because it's stable, they're working on getting whatever fixes are needed to hopefully get the kernels to work with 4.3.x (especially by the time Lenny releases as Stable) .. IINM |
| 12:33.14 | jelly-home | gambler_: if it's not debian, ask the vendor |
| 12:33.20 | hatter | enouf, hehe, i just noticed that same thing as you said... i just installed gcc-4.1 and will try |
| 12:33.36 | gambler_ | jelly-home, its stock debian, with dekiwiki on top. |
| 12:33.49 | enouf | hatter: gah .. export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 doesn't do much good if it's NOT THERE! :-p |
| 12:34.09 | gambler_ | apt-get dist-upgrade gave me, Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/.../openssh-server_4.3p2-9etch2_i386.derb |
| 12:34.17 | hatter | enouf, yes ! next thing i will sleep type an rm -fr / or something :) |
| 12:34.26 | enouf | !slap hatter |
| 12:34.26 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across hatter's face |
| 12:34.30 | hatter | (hope i typed that in the irc window) |
| 12:34.41 | spiffe | I know what the problem is, it's teh .derb |
| 12:34.45 | hatter | !slap hatter |
| 12:34.45 | spiffe | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.46 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across hatter's face |
| 12:35.05 | gambler_ | ok, i just did apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade...seems to be working |
| 12:35.26 | enouf | heh, dpkg slapped you so silly, you slapped yourself .. :-p |
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| 12:36.16 | hatter | nope, it still craps out |
| 12:36.24 | enouf | !errors |
| 12:36.24 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 12:36.49 | enouf | but at this point, go cry to #vmwarez |
| 12:37.10 | enouf | you built your own kernel hatter ? |
| 12:37.17 | enouf | which gcc version? |
| 12:37.39 | enouf | hatter: try also export HOSTCC= |
| 12:37.56 | hatter | enouf, its still building, i doing two boxes at once, the one compiling is with gcc-4.3.2 |
| 12:38.17 | enouf | hatter: echo $CC ; echo $HOSTCC to see if those are set correctly within the shell/env you're working in |
| 12:38.53 | hatter | echo $CC = gcc-4.1 |
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| 12:39.16 | hatter | echo $HOSTCC gives empty line |
| 12:39.31 | enouf | it's not set obviously |
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| 12:40.22 | spsneo | how to build arm cross development environment in debian |
| 12:40.24 | spsneo | ? |
| 12:40.40 | hatter | enouf, what is HOSTCC ? |
| 12:40.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | spsneo, have a look at the arm/armel ports pages, they have links |
| 12:41.10 | spsneo | Kamping_Kaiser: may i have the link? |
| 12:41.26 | enouf | hatter: i dont know |
| 12:41.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | spsneo, http://debian.org/ports/arm iirc |
| 12:41.38 | hatter | that didnt fix it though :( |
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| 12:41.47 | enouf | go ask #vmwarez |
| 12:42.02 | enouf | use a Debian kernel |
| 12:42.08 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.24 | enouf | Agiofws: yo yo ma |
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| 12:42.57 | Agiofws | use a vanila kernel :) |
| 12:43.54 | enouf | Agiofws: hatter is following your advice ; and paying the price ;-) |
| 12:44.20 | hatter | the price of wakeefulness when sleep is calling... |
| 12:44.28 | Agiofws | wish he would pay me for it |
| 12:44.36 | hatter | !slap hatter |
| 12:44.36 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across hatter's face |
| 12:44.51 | hatter | dpkg keeps me awake though for another five minutes |
| 12:44.51 | dpkg | hatter: no idea |
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| 12:53.17 | gambler_ | has anyone here used amazon EC2? |
| 12:53.29 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:53.47 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with udev on lenny: error opening socket |
| 12:54.36 | enouf | Posterdati: how do you know its a udev issue? |
| 12:54.52 | Posterdati | enouf: I don't know that... |
| 12:55.07 | Posterdati | enouf: but udev complains about socket :( |
| 12:55.31 | enouf | Posterdati: pastebin exact error messages and commad you ran |
| 12:55.41 | enouf | command* |
| 12:55.49 | Posterdati | enouf: it was at boot time |
| 12:56.24 | enouf | Posterdati: does it cause any issues? |
| 12:56.35 | enouf | Posterdati: pastebin your entire /var/log/dmesg |
| 12:56.55 | Posterdati | enouf: no |
| 12:56.57 | enouf | Posterdati: /msg dpkg bootlogd - enable it, then reboot and pastebin that file referenced |
| 12:57.16 | enouf | Posterdati: so forget about it - it's likely an ACPI/acpid socket issue |
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| 12:58.30 | Posterdati | enouf: I'm enabling bootlogd |
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| 12:59.18 | hatter | the kernel just finished, the .deb is in the /usr/src, where is the initrd ? |
| 12:59.35 | enouf | hatter: it's generated upon installing that .deb |
| 12:59.42 | hatter | enouf, ah thx |
| 12:59.46 | Posterdati | enouf: hotplug events dispatcher |
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| 13:00.25 | enouf | Posterdati: no enough info |
| 13:00.28 | enouf | not* |
| 13:00.42 | Posterdati | enouf: wait, I've enabled bootlog |
| 13:01.48 | Posterdati | enouf: where are bootlog messages? |
| 13:01.59 | enouf | Posterdati: the factoid tells you |
| 13:02.04 | enouf | Posterdati: /var/log/boot |
| 13:02.16 | Posterdati | enouf: it's empty |
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| 13:02.41 | enouf | Posterdati: you did something wrong .. or youre not using debian |
| 13:02.44 | Posterdati | (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
| 13:02.50 | Posterdati | I'm on lenny |
| 13:03.07 | enouf | grep BOOTLOG /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 13:03.33 | Posterdati | enouf: booting told me that logging for boot was enabled |
| 13:03.47 | Posterdati | BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes |
| 13:03.54 | hatter | does dpkg keep a list of number of people that contribute to Debian ? |
| 13:04.16 | enouf | Posterdati: well .. check the BTS then - it should be working |
| 13:04.19 | enouf | !bts |
| 13:04.19 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 13:04.38 | enouf | !tell hatter about debstats |
| 13:04.57 | enouf | !dstats lenny |
| 13:05.20 | enouf | hatter: there are a thousand or more atleat |
| 13:05.27 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 23104 packages, 1936 maintainers, 59561 MB installed size, 21027 MB compressed size. |
| 13:05.35 | enouf | hatter: ^^^^^ |
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| 13:06.29 | earthian | mmm.. i have too small root partition...only 20 gigs.. need 60G :p |
| 13:06.32 | hatter | enouf, you are currently number 1 on the freenode list :) |
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| 13:06.50 | Posterdati | enouf: I installed syslog-ng |
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| 13:07.39 | enouf | hatter: wonderful |
| 13:07.39 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 13:07.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
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| 13:08.30 | Posterdati | enouf: bootlogd works on another pc with lenny on it: I tried now! |
| 13:08.30 | hatter | hahahahaha |
| 13:08.44 | earthian | !/o\ |
| 13:09.16 | earthian | ¬¬ |
| 13:09.21 | enouf | dpkg: /o\ is <reply> see \o/ |
| 13:09.21 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, enouf |
| 13:09.26 | enouf | heh |
| 13:09.32 | hatter | hte freenode stats are hilarious |
| 13:10.47 | earthian | ok.. time to packthings and go back to UK ;) |
| 13:10.54 | earthian | bye |
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| 13:18.56 | prxtien | anyone know a way to monitor my iptables mangle entries, to see if the qos is working right? |
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| 13:21.27 | spiffe | lol compiling has taken about 2h |
| 13:21.39 | spiffe | vorst advice I've gotten so far :P |
| 13:21.58 | simonrvn | cheapo fast way is using watch -d iptables -foo |
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| 13:23.01 | prxtien | simonrvn, can i actually monitor the traffic with iptables though? |
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| 13:23.25 | simonrvn | yeh, by looking at it... try it |
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| 13:23.43 | simonrvn | i said cheapo fast way... try it first |
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| 13:25.10 | spiffe | Not to get anyone upset, but why run debian when many other distros are more functional? |
| 13:25.26 | asg | define functional? |
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| 13:25.50 | asg | and /msg dpkg why debian |
| 13:25.58 | spiffe | just take hardwarefor example, nothing is out of the box theen I installed debian |
| 13:25.58 | simonrvn | functional == more GUI gizmos |
| 13:26.08 | asg | oh, useless crap |
| 13:26.13 | TwistOfFate | you mean a distro that doesn't rename firefox because they're a bunch of cry babies? |
| 13:26.34 | TwistOfFate | well, thankfully i don't have use debian graphically, so i'll never have to experience this abortion known as iceweasel |
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| 13:26.48 | TwistOfFate | from a cli perspective, i love it |
| 13:26.53 | SQlvpapir | is there a working script to drain the inbox/sendbox for a hotmail account? I'd like to clean the account before I vanish it |
| 13:26.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | spiffe, i dont understand your example :| |
| 13:27.29 | spiffe | Well I've had debian for 8 years without reinstall, got a new laptop on me desk, thought wth might install debian as well, nothing is supported =) |
| 13:27.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | TwistOfFate, flamebait? |
| 13:27.36 | simonrvn | such strong language for such a mundane thing... i wish people like you would take an equally strong stance against human rights abuses, we'd be better off ... |
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| 13:28.00 | TwistOfFate | Kamping_Kaiser, look fine. i understand why they had to rename firefox to iceweasel |
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| 13:28.11 | TwistOfFate | a little relaxation wouldn't have killed them in this case though i believe |
| 13:28.15 | spiffe | spend last 2h recompiling kernel |
| 13:28.19 | craigevil | spiffe: debian works perfectly on my Eee 701 |
| 13:28.25 | SQlvpapir | spiffe: you vote for the better hardware manufacturer everytime you buy something |
| 13:28.31 | spiffe | ya, because it's old hardware |
| 13:28.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | spiffe, depends what you buy - doesnt work on my new laptop either fwiw, but i blame myself for that |
| 13:28.41 | prxtien | spiffe, then youve got a piece of shit, it took an hour an a half on my msi wind and its intel atom based |
| 13:28.44 | enouf | SQlvpapir: bingo |
| 13:29.01 | enouf | SQlvpapir: just say NO! .. to crap! |
| 13:29.02 | SQlvpapir | obviously you voted for shit |
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| 13:29.17 | simonrvn | only fricking vote that matters, these days.... |
| 13:29.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | SQlvpapir, if your talking to me, yes, i did. |
| 13:29.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | took a gamble, it didnt pay off. |
| 13:29.46 | simonrvn | what a fucked society. |
| 13:30.18 | Posterdati | enouf: http://pastebin.com/dbed09cc |
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| 13:30.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | TwistOfFate, tbh, I think not giving mozilla a licence to walk over everyone is a good thing. (but this is a conversation thats been had a few hundred times before, so i'm happy to leave it) |
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| 13:33.34 | enouf | Posterdati: sorry - i have to run now .. hope you get it worked out - ask the channel for help ;-) |
| 13:33.43 | Posterdati | enouf: ok thanks |
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| 13:36.38 | Posterdati | please ppl help: http://pastebin.com/dbed09cc |
| 13:36.46 | Posterdati | debian lenny for amd64 |
| 13:37.30 | lostson | ³ |
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| 13:42.06 | stoned | ...angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night... |
| 13:42.14 | stoned | how did you make a little three |
| 13:42.15 | stoned | ? |
| 13:42.51 | stoned | I have setup my monidier keys I can test in xev, how do you make the weird characters man I can't figure it out |
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| 13:43.44 | stoned | lostson, ping |
| 13:43.52 | micols | anyone know how to hide the mouse cursor automatically in Xorg when not in use? |
| 13:44.07 | cahoot | stoned: oh it's easy ³ |
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| 13:45.40 | lostson | stoned: Alt+3 |
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| 13:46.54 | hoxu | micols, unclutter |
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| 13:48.43 | prxtien | mm im setting rules with iptables -t mangle and it doesnt seem to include the server itself, all hosts setting behind the nat, but the actual nat servers outgoing traffic is not mangle prioritized |
| 13:48.47 | prxtien | is that right? |
| 13:49.36 | simonrvn | iptables will only show localhost, obviously.... |
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| 13:53.13 | prxtien | how do you mean simon? |
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| 13:53.16 | micols | hoxu: great, was almost sure x didnt supoprt it :) |
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| 13:53.36 | micols | but it works very nicely, i hope it doesnt use too much cpu. |
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| 13:55.01 | Posterdati | zamuro: l'ho duro! |
| 13:55.15 | simonrvn | prxtien: the question isn't really clear |
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| 13:55.21 | prxtien | okay ill rephrase |
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| 13:55.39 | wald0 | is there a special time of the day where the repositories are updated ? |
| 13:55.43 | wald0 | syncronized |
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| 13:56.23 | prxtien | i want to apply qos rules to my network, i have a system setup with multiple interfaces that is acting as nat for my network, i have setup iptables mangle rules to prioritize traffic that is important to me... it is working for all traffic behind the nat, but the actual server doing the iptables is not included in the mangle rules |
| 13:56.31 | micols | hoxu: you know how to make it hide the cursor upon x startup ? |
| 13:56.41 | prxtien | im trying to work out how to include traffic from my nat firewall in the mangle rules |
| 13:56.42 | micols | so i get -delay 2, and also hidden upon startup |
| 13:56.50 | micols | else i would have to relaunch unclutter. |
| 13:56.54 | hoxu | micols, what desktop environment? |
| 13:57.07 | micols | hoxu: none, blackbox wm hacked for fullscreen |
| 13:58.10 | hoxu | micols, put it in your ~/.Xsessiopn or whatever |
| 13:58.11 | micols | hoxu: yes i got it in ~/.xsession but it doesnt hide it at startup |
| 13:58.11 | micols | i tried xcursor-transparent, but it wasnt very nice. |
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| 13:58.14 | hoxu | pastebin the script |
| 13:58.40 | prxtien | simonrvn is that a bit cleaner? eh |
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| 13:59.04 | micols | hoxu: http://files.rlogin.dk/xsession |
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| 13:59.22 | simonrvn | prxtien: that's expected (and much clearer, thanks :) |
| 13:59.47 | prxtien | can i enforce rules on the nat/server? |
| 13:59.59 | micols | hoxu: i just want it to disable mouse directly when starting xorg |
| 14:00.05 | micols | and then disable it after 2 secs after use. |
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| 14:02.38 | simonrvn | i usually only see stuff passing through get qosed properly. but i'm not too sure now, i haven't check in a while. |
| 14:02.43 | Achilleus | hello, I'm trying to block access from internal network (172.20.0.0/16) to DMZ (192.168.200.0/16) through the following iptables config http://rafb.net/p/gsLaVV10.html .. but it's not working |
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| 14:03.39 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 14:04.08 | Tekno | hello. i compiled 2.6.28 and now touchpad doesnt work like expected. this is elantech which should work with synaptic xorg driver |
| 14:04.22 | mynullvoid | I am looking for opensource identity management, to do single sign on aka central authentication system. Can anyone share their experience? |
| 14:04.43 | prxtien | mynullvoid, kerberos? |
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| 14:07.19 | mynullvoid | prxtien: mit keberos? |
| 14:07.33 | prxtien | yeah |
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| 14:09.33 | mynullvoid | prxtien: anything simpler? |
| 14:09.43 | prxtien | krb5 is preety simple |
| 14:09.52 | prxtien | once you have your authentication server setup |
| 14:10.09 | prxtien | its just issuing tickets for each following server and configuring your services to support krb |
| 14:10.17 | prxtien | single ticket on login via kinit |
| 14:10.28 | prxtien | and then its all sso to your other services/servers |
| 14:10.47 | greeq | what all do i have to learn for programming and knowing how the OS works in linux? |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | a lot |
| 14:11.22 | Achilleus | abrotman, :D |
| 14:11.28 | micols | greeq: play with nasm |
| 14:11.33 | micols | and then some C |
| 14:11.43 | abrotman | greeq: perl/python/C .. and lots of documentation |
| 14:11.44 | greeq | i know some asm and some c |
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| 14:12.07 | micols | abrotman: perl and python isnt very close to kernel calls :) |
| 14:12.18 | greeq | can i just see the packages as its free source |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | micols: he said OS .. not kernel |
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| 14:12.46 | greeq | ok leave os . just the softwares for no |
| 14:12.48 | greeq | w |
| 14:12.57 | abrotman | the OS is software ... |
| 14:13.27 | feitingen | is it possible to upgrade to debian from ubuntu? |
| 14:13.32 | greeq | so all the packages and os is in the same language "c"? |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | no |
| 14:13.39 | abrotman | greeq: perl/python/C .. and lots of documentation |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | and that's just to start |
| 14:14.09 | greeq | new people not welcomed? |
| 14:14.12 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable ssh password auth so that only xyz.de can connect with password, all others have to use key? |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | greeq: sure .. start with what you know |
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| 14:15.30 | abrotman | greeq: you're talking about a huge OS .. in debian there are something like 20 *thousand* packages .. |
| 14:15.31 | cahoot | greeq: practically all src code is available |
| 14:15.37 | micols | HardDisk_WP: normally you chose to key only or password only, or restrict access in hosts.deny |
| 14:15.51 | micols | better go the full step to key only |
| 14:16.02 | micols | key only + hosts.deny is the most secure |
| 14:16.22 | micols | hosts.deny+hosts.allow :) |
| 14:16.36 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 14:16.49 | micols | and remember to change default ssh port to something above 10k |
| 14:17.07 | micols | + remove root login |
| 14:17.11 | HardDisk_WP | no, i use ssh as tunnelport in my school to bypass their friggin' firewall |
| 14:17.29 | HardDisk_WP | so the port stays, but of course, bruteforces will have no effect anymore |
| 14:17.44 | asg | or use port knocking to hide the port completely |
| 14:17.46 | greeq | abrotman, if just want to make a small application for my own use. do i have to know perl and python as well? |
| 14:17.54 | HardDisk_WP | asg, what's that? |
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| 14:17.58 | greeq | or just C is more than enough to get started |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | greeq: depends what you want to use when you write it .. C can be enough |
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| 14:18.33 | asg | HardDisk_WP: a firewall policy that listens for packets on certain bogus ports in a certain sequence in a short time before adding an allow rule for the ip sending the packets. |
| 14:18.35 | greeq | k |
| 14:18.37 | micols | python writes itself, so if you want to be effective, use python |
| 14:18.51 | greeq | effective as in? |
| 14:18.52 | Eclipse1 | plz tell me how to install KDE4 on lenny |
| 14:18.54 | HardDisk_WP | asg, sounds cool |
| 14:19.17 | micols | but C is satisficing |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | !tell Eclipse1 about kde4 |
| 14:19.27 | asg | HardDisk_WP: http://cipherdyne.org/ has some good resources and there is a debian-administration.org article about port knocking somewhere |
| 14:19.33 | Eclipse1 | if I add experiment and unstable repos |
| 14:19.33 | abrotman | greeq: python is a bit easier than C for basic programming tasks |
| 14:19.48 | greeq | oh ok |
| 14:19.56 | Eclipse1 | will it make ma system unstable? |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | Eclipse1: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:20.21 | Eclipse1 | thanx |
| 14:20.25 | greeq | is there any site where they can spoon feed just to setup and get started? |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | on what? |
| 14:20.44 | micols | rtfm, get a book is my advice |
| 14:20.46 | greeq | coding |
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| 14:20.57 | abrotman | coding what ... |
| 14:20.58 | greeq | ok |
| 14:21.24 | lostson | greeq: i starting learning C last year and there are alot of free books as pdf's online for C |
| 14:21.40 | greeq | i know c and c++ |
| 14:21.54 | greeq | not that hardcore but pretty much |
| 14:21.57 | lostson | then you are all set |
| 14:22.22 | greeq | so theres no compiler like borland. i m new to linux |
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| 14:22.24 | abrotman | except the ability to read a metric ton of documentation :) |
| 14:22.35 | abrotman | greeq: gcc |
| 14:22.40 | micols | omg :) |
| 14:23.12 | greeq | k |
| 14:23.15 | greeq | thanks :) |
| 14:23.32 | greeq | i should try google on howtos. thanks |
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| 14:24.07 | asg | greeq: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-program.en.html |
| 14:24.44 | spiffe | still compiling the fruity kernel |
| 14:24.44 | asg | greeq: that should get you started. The rest of it is very good if you are new to debian. |
| 14:24.44 | greeq | i see so many people writing so much and i m feeling useless. :). lol so i can start from anywhere actually |
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| 14:25.03 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable password-auth in sshd_config? |
| 14:25.15 | asg | man sshd_config |
| 14:25.27 | greeq | thanks asg abrotman lostson cahoot |
| 14:25.41 | asg | greeq: if you want to help and know C, it might be worth perusing the BTS and trying to help fix bugs in packages. Just a thought. |
| 14:25.54 | micols | or gnu savannah |
| 14:26.09 | greeq | BTS? |
| 14:26.13 | micols | as debian is gnu too :) |
| 14:26.25 | asg | greeq: bugs.debian.org (BTS == bug tracking system) |
| 14:26.26 | greeq | k |
| 14:26.28 | micols | i saw there was a request for help on 'wget' |
| 14:26.35 | micols | only one person on that task i think |
| 14:26.56 | HardDisk_WP | asg, PasswordAuthentication no |
| 14:26.57 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.09 | HardDisk_WP | but I still can login via password (yes, I restarted sshd) |
| 14:27.14 | greeq | oh . hehe. ok. where? |
| 14:27.25 | micols | 'or gnu savannah' |
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| 14:27.42 | stoned | oh I know what was wrong |
| 14:27.51 | greeq | that'l be hardcore for me. i know nothing. |
| 14:27.53 | stoned | my winkey is broken |
| 14:28.14 | micols | you said you know C, it didnt seem that they needed hardcore programmers for the project |
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| 14:28.27 | micols | they just need to implement new stuff or fix a large number of issues. |
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| 14:28.38 | dios_mio | I just apt-get installed openbox.. how do I switch to it from gnome? |
| 14:28.57 | fender | your x disply manager? |
| 14:28.59 | greeq | hey i cant download ebooks from scribd. flash wont drop down and download. permanent flash problem? |
| 14:29.06 | micols | i think there were several hundreds of issues and only one man on the job :) |
| 14:29.15 | micols | so they could really use some help |
| 14:29.23 | dios_mio | fender, , and? |
| 14:29.25 | Tekno | dios_mio: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 14:29.31 | feitingen | just wondering, is the debian package management system a propietary standard/format? |
| 14:29.31 | dios_mio | thanks man |
| 14:29.47 | greeq | ok i'll see if i understand anything first micols |
| 14:29.54 | stoned | I'm gonna get a new keyboard, any recomendations on a good keyboard? what about the all those highly technological ones with screens and temperature gauages and a sunroof and what not |
| 14:30.06 | dios_mio | how do i close gnome? |
| 14:30.08 | stoned | do the keyboards with lcd panels etc. have linux drives that work well? |
| 14:30.10 | greeq | u want led keyboards? |
| 14:30.34 | micols | stoned: typematrix is all i can say :) |
| 14:30.40 | micols | best keyboard out there |
| 14:30.52 | greeq | ok |
| 14:30.56 | micols | got 5 of them,they're that good |
| 14:30.58 | stoned | does anyone here use an lcd keyboard, and if so which brand/model and how well does it work in debian (testing/sid) |
| 14:30.58 | fender | if you use gdm or kdm, you can logout |
| 14:31.00 | dios_mio | openbox is default wm... now do i /etc/init.d/gdm stop ; and then startx from console? |
| 14:31.17 | stoned | typematric? |
| 14:31.22 | fender | you can reboot |
| 14:31.23 | Tekno | dios_mio: just ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 14:31.39 | fender | and choose your new wm from gdm |
| 14:31.39 | greeq | google optimus and luxeed for led keyboards |
| 14:31.51 | micols | stoned: perhaps you should get a keyboard that does what a keyboard is supposed to do, and not what a plasma monitor's job is? |
| 14:32.01 | greeq | hehe |
| 14:32.03 | stoned | micols, no but thsoe are cool man you know |
| 14:32.06 | stoned | I like toys |
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| 14:32.23 | micols | i havn't found one that i belived had a linux driver for it |
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| 14:32.37 | stoned | well then that answers my question |
| 14:32.38 | dios_mio | well that didnt work... I am still in GNOME |
| 14:32.46 | stoned | next best thing is a MS natrual keyboard |
| 14:33.05 | micols | only if you want to break your wrists :) |
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| 14:33.09 | greeq | then i heard they have lasers that u can attach to ur monitor that projects a keyboard on ur table and u can work on that. |
| 14:33.26 | stoned | oh those are awesome |
| 14:33.34 | asg | fricken laser beams |
| 14:33.35 | greeq | so go buy that yo |
| 14:33.36 | stoned | I saw it on video |
| 14:33.53 | micols | its only ment for toys, they're not useful yet |
| 14:33.57 | greeq | some cheoptics monitors i want |
| 14:34.55 | micols | if you want to reduce strain and improve speed, get a typematrix |
| 14:35.18 | stoned | i hate tiny keyboards, thats why i hate laptops |
| 14:35.19 | micols | or better.. get 2, one for travelling |
| 14:35.29 | micols | as you have to get used to it. |
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| 14:35.59 | stoned | holy balls the mouse is so tiny |
| 14:36.04 | stoned | how the hell do you grab it? |
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| 14:36.13 | micols | its not tiny, its allmost fullsize, at least their EZ2020 |
| 14:36.16 | asg | micols: it would take some getting used to but I like having the enter, del, bspc in the homerow / middle |
| 14:36.18 | stoned | that dude's hand is like twice as large has the mouse |
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| 14:36.31 | micols | but has flat laptop like keys and in a rectangular array, not like normal keyboards which are "crossed" |
| 14:36.46 | micols | asg: tm has enter and del in the middle of the keyboard |
| 14:36.54 | micols | so you use your index finger for it instead of little finger. |
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| 14:37.05 | stoned | oh yes very nice |
| 14:37.10 | asg | micols: yeah, like I said ... a little getting used to but rather nifty |
| 14:37.13 | stoned | I like also the keybaord design |
| 14:37.15 | teclo- | Hello what's a good program to look at .svg files ? |
| 14:37.20 | stoned | it seems very useful |
| 14:37.35 | stoned | teclo-, I would say inkscape (for also editing) |
| 14:37.41 | micols | asg: yep your fingers will thank you if you type the whole day. |
| 14:37.48 | teclo- | ok |
| 14:37.52 | micols | and also your wrists will. |
| 14:37.58 | asg | nods |
| 14:37.59 | stoned | teclo-, iceweasel, konqueror, webit based browsers |
| 14:38.17 | stoned | teclo-, gimp can also look at svg I think maybe I dunno |
| 14:38.22 | spiffe | lol I got an error efter 5h of building |
| 14:38.24 | spiffe | fock this |
| 14:38.43 | micols | good that you only need to build the unbuilt modules then? |
| 14:39.33 | stoned | i hate modules |
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| 14:39.57 | spiffe | ya linux sux |
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| 14:40.14 | greeq | everytime i look everywhere for info on linux and everytime i find it in linux itself. :/ |
| 14:40.19 | stoned | no I'm not kidding, sometimes I do.. nm |
| 14:41.28 | micols | /usr/share/doc , man , /usr/src/linux/Documentation are my best friends, i would really hate a kernel without documentation |
| 14:42.20 | micols | and info from time to time, for those gnu programs :) |
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| 14:43.21 | stoned | hurd is nice too I played with it once |
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| 14:43.58 | greeq | why are people not solving flash problems? |
| 14:44.05 | micols | hehe its slowly progessing, i played with it 5 years ago or so i think |
| 14:44.10 | stoned | what flash problems? |
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| 14:44.30 | greeq | cant download ebooks from scribd. |
| 14:44.48 | stoned | ok so what do you want? |
| 14:45.01 | greeq | advanced linux programming.pdf |
| 14:45.12 | micols | greeq: flash is .. proprietary |
| 14:45.16 | stoned | you wanno open a pdf? |
| 14:45.24 | greeq | download |
| 14:45.29 | stoned | from? |
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| 14:45.36 | greeq | scribd.com |
| 14:45.42 | stoned | gimme a link |
| 14:45.53 | greeq | amazing. |
| 14:45.57 | greeq | you smoke up? |
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| 14:46.03 | stoned | are you serious? dont waste time |
| 14:46.14 | greeq | http://www.scribd.com/doc/7292571/Advanced-Linux-Programming |
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| 14:46.54 | stoned | what the hell is this? this is a pdf inside a flash? |
| 14:46.58 | stoned | what has the world come to |
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| 14:47.38 | micols | i just quitted one job because they wanted me to do flash for them. |
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| 14:47.51 | greeq | hehe |
| 14:48.10 | greeq | flash is gaining alot of power but |
| 14:48.18 | stoned | you can download the book |
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| 14:48.39 | AussieGuy | how many hits per second could an apache server handle, if it was running on a celeron dedicated server with 1gb ram? |
| 14:48.40 | stoned | you have to hover over ipaper icon, and go down to the popup menu where it says save document |
| 14:48.46 | stoned | then you have to sign up and pay moneys i think |
| 14:48.47 | micols | we need a free alternative, flash would be great , if it was free , at least nowadays when people have dualcores.. doesnt run too well on my 1ghz laptop |
| 14:49.03 | stoned | you can't get around this, this ebook costs money and you can't find any help here on how to circumvent that |
| 14:49.08 | stoned | you are sol |
| 14:49.09 | greeq | chill i got it |
| 14:49.23 | stoned | seriously, I just figured you were really dumb |
| 14:49.35 | stoned | so I thought I'd explain it in detial |
| 14:49.39 | greeq | oh i m dumb |
| 14:49.45 | esthar | I'm getting these python errors |
| 14:49.45 | stoned | just making sure you got it, good stuff my man |
| 14:49.47 | stoned | good stuff |
| 14:49.51 | esthar | because I upgraded from 2.4 to 2.5 |
| 14:49.54 | micols | AussieGuy: lots |
| 14:49.59 | greeq | go smoke some shit dude |
| 14:50.00 | micols | depends if you run mysql |
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| 14:50.10 | micols | without mysql, as much as your netcard can handle :) |
| 14:50.21 | AussieGuy | yeah, it runs mysql....every hit it will retreive a random page from a database of 20 pages |
| 14:50.23 | stoned | invest into gb eth ! |
| 14:50.26 | AussieGuy | using php |
| 14:50.47 | micols | well 20 pages isnt a lot, so it will probably be fast |
| 14:51.02 | AussieGuy | well....it will redirect to that random page, not retreive it |
| 14:51.17 | micols | yes, using header redirect? |
| 14:51.23 | AussieGuy | so could we be talking more than 30 hits per second? |
| 14:51.39 | micols | yes if you have 30+ apaches running :) |
| 14:51.44 | micols | and optimized, then perhaps yes |
| 14:51.54 | AussieGuy | well just one apache on the dedicated server |
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| 14:52.12 | micols | you need a forker apache2 , and one child for every client i think, but ask in apache channel |
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| 14:52.27 | micols | or.. its a simple page then you probably only need one |
| 14:52.31 | AussieGuy | yeah I read up thats how apache works, it forks processes |
| 14:52.34 | stew | AussieGuy: if you need it to serve pages as fast as possible, you don't want it to hit the database with every page hit |
| 14:52.42 | FiFouille | if you only have to send random 302 why don't you use mod_rewrite ? |
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| 14:53.00 | AriMartti | anyone who wants to help me to set my just-installed system bootable |
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| 14:53.05 | AriMartti | http://arimartti.kapsi.fi/install/ |
| 14:53.16 | AriMartti | install logs are there |
| 14:53.55 | AriMartti | i think my problem is that grub isn't on first hdd's first sectors |
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| 14:55.19 | Zor | Is there a command to output my network's I/O stats and then exit (non-interactive)? |
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| 14:55.28 | clamiax | hi |
| 14:55.47 | asg | Zor: netstat -s |
| 14:55.48 | clamiax | how can i learn about a specific support into the Debian kernel package? |
| 14:55.55 | jamon | AriMartti: so grub isn't working on /dev/sdb1? |
| 14:55.55 | tjtag | AriMartti: describe your setup ? |
| 14:56.05 | clamiax | Or better, how can i learn if a specific support is already there? |
| 14:56.14 | micols | clamiax: check with modprobe if the module is there |
| 14:56.20 | AriMartti | tjtag: amd64 and 64-bit lenny |
| 14:56.21 | micols | or modconf |
| 14:56.27 | clamiax | micols: and if it isn't? |
| 14:56.28 | AriMartti | with 8gb ram and 4 hdd:s |
| 14:56.28 | Zor | asg: What if I want just to know how many kb's have been sent in/out since last restart? |
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| 14:57.05 | micols | clamiax: then you need your own kernel probably. |
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| 14:57.05 | clamiax | mmh |
| 14:57.05 | tjtag | AriMartti: thats what Im running, file system ? grub version ? |
| 14:57.05 | jamon | Zor: vnstat is good for that |
| 14:57.07 | asg | Zor: ifconfig |
| 14:57.13 | AriMartti | jamon: computer says me set a proper bootable media somewhere and press a key |
| 14:57.15 | clamiax | micols: okay, THX. |
| 14:57.24 | AriMartti | standards: ext3 and grub legacy |
| 14:57.28 | Zor | asg/jamon: Thanks. |
| 14:57.54 | clamiax | micols: though i still would like to learn if, e.g., the CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L2 or CONFIG_USB_GSPCA has been selected |
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| 14:58.04 | clamiax | micols: they don't have necessarly to be modularized AFAIK |
| 14:58.10 | jamon | AriMartti: says that you have or that you should? it looks like grub isn't working on your /dev/sdb1 according to your hardware summary, is that correct? |
| 14:58.13 | tjtag | AriMartti: whats on your first dirve ? |
| 14:58.30 | esthar | XEN help: I upgraded python from 2.4 to 2.5 and now xm is broken? This was going from Etch --> Lenny. |
| 14:58.39 | FiFouille | AussieGuy: http://www.helicontech.com/isapi_rewrite/doc/RewriteMap.htm |
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| 14:58.52 | AriMartti | i think it's windows drive (not installed any, only partition tables written) |
| 14:58.55 | Zor | RX bytes:19803214617 (18.4 GiB) TX bytes:31675227566 (29.4 GiB) -- this is what I should look at it in ifconfig, isn't it? |
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| 14:59.03 | asg | yes |
| 14:59.08 | Zor | TX and RX means what? |
| 14:59.17 | asg | transmit / received |
| 14:59.20 | jamon | trasnmitted & received |
| 14:59.23 | Zor | Ah |
| 14:59.25 | Zor | Thanks again :) |
| 14:59.40 | jamon | Zor: try vnstat, it's persistent across reboots |
| 14:59.41 | AriMartti | should I chroot in system? |
| 14:59.50 | clamiax | micols: grep CONFIG_XXX /boot/config-$(uname -r) did the work. THX anyway. |
| 14:59.51 | micols | clamiax: i dont know, sometimes you can see info from your kernel in /boot i think |
| 15:00.04 | Zor | jamon: As in, it keeps the data even after a reboot? |
| 15:00.10 | jamon | yes |
| 15:00.10 | micols | ah :) |
| 15:00.13 | Zor | Ah |
| 15:00.14 | tjtag | AriMartti: did you install grub on the second drive ? |
| 15:00.15 | micols | config support built in,great. |
| 15:00.16 | Zor | That might be quite useful, too |
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| 15:00.24 | AriMartti | i think, yes |
| 15:00.44 | Zor | jamon: Can I give it an interval at which it should reset the data, though? Like, once a month? |
| 15:01.14 | jamon | Zor: you can pass it --reset whenever you like |
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| 15:01.33 | Zor | Hmm, I'm not much into crons, but I guess I could make one to do this every month? |
| 15:01.42 | jamon | easily |
| 15:01.57 | jamon | or just not worry about it |
| 15:01.59 | antani | Hello. Is there a way to see if an installed packages is *Recommended* by another installed package? |
| 15:02.08 | AriMartti | you can see, there is one hdd ouside of hotswap-array or something |
| 15:02.10 | tjtag | AriMartti: well, yes you could, boot the install cd, in recovery mode, chroot to you install, and run grub-install /dev/etc... there, but it willl wipe out your |
| 15:02.15 | Zor | jamon: Well, what I'm trying to do is count my bandwidth monthly, so.. ;) |
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| 15:02.38 | jamon | Zor: so keeing past months is fine, look into vnstat, it'll do what your after |
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| 15:02.46 | AriMartti | i'm not sure about the correct word of that thing on my case's front panel |
| 15:03.00 | clamiax | Is it a so bad thing to use a sid kernel in lenny? |
| 15:03.03 | AriMartti | tjtag: ok, i'll set that so |
| 15:03.22 | Zor | jamon: Okay, thanks |
| 15:03.25 | tjtag | clamiax: what kernel ? |
| 15:03.35 | AriMartti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.25 | clamiax | tjtag: i don't know, a kernel >= 2.6.27 |
| 15:04.26 | AriMartti | in some day i'll set up raid 5 on that 3 discs in hotswap array |
| 15:04.59 | tjtag | AriMartti: yes like grub-install /dev/sda |
| 15:05.18 | tjtag | AriMartti: but while your in there, make sure the menu.lst is correct |
| 15:05.19 | AriMartti | i know that command :) |
| 15:05.36 | tjtag | AriMartti: ok, just being thorough |
| 15:05.43 | AriMartti | well, maybe it's better install again |
| 15:06.19 | AriMartti | because that's rewriting the whole partition idea :P |
| 15:06.36 | AriMartti | whoops |
| 15:06.37 | tjtag | AriMartti: No just check it, I would not do a reinstall just because grub isn't on MBR |
| 15:06.42 | Zor | jamon: From what I've gathered, vnstat -m should do? |
| 15:06.52 | clamiax | it's 2.6.26-9 :-( |
| 15:07.01 | clamiax | I'll have to build my own kernel. |
| 15:07.11 | tjtag | AriMartti: I have 8 partitions, from FreeBSD, Arch, Sayabon, etc |
| 15:07.15 | AriMartti | tjtag: may I let the /boot be on /dev/sdb1? |
| 15:07.18 | jamon | Zor: yep, mine goes back to july |
| 15:07.36 | AriMartti | but only install grub on 1st hdd:s MBR |
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| 15:07.43 | Zor | jamon: Oh, wait -- doesn't vnstat -m display stats from the current month? |
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| 15:07.56 | jamon | yep, and past months |
| 15:08.00 | Zor | Oh wait |
| 15:08.02 | Zor | Yeah |
| 15:08.05 | Zor | Just me being lame :P |
| 15:08.29 | tjtag | AriMartti: If you installed the bootloader already on sdb1, I would just chainload into it |
| 15:08.45 | jamon | here Zor: http://pastebin.ca/1299635 |
| 15:09.04 | AriMartti | tjtag: there is no any installed windows yet |
| 15:09.09 | AriMartti | only partitions :) |
| 15:09.24 | Zor | jamon: ah, seems it'll fit perfectly -- thanks |
| 15:09.32 | AriMartti | i bought the computer yesterday without OS |
| 15:09.35 | AriMartti | any OS |
| 15:09.43 | tjtag | clamiax: why would you want to put a sid kernel on a lenny box when that kernel exists for Lenny ? |
| 15:10.05 | fender | without os mean save money |
| 15:10.19 | fender | how much you save |
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| 15:11.15 | tjtag | AriMartti: Im just saying you could install grub on the mbr, then edit it so it chainloads into the second drive, you will probably want to do that anyway |
| 15:11.15 | AriMartti | but let's do that grub-install on /dev/sda :P |
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| 15:11.50 | tjtag | AriMartti: this way in the future when you upgrade your kernel etc, it only upgrades on that partition, and doesn't mess up your others :) |
| 15:12.24 | clamiax | tjtag: because i was hoping that on sid there was a kernel >= 2.6.27 which isn't available on Lenny. |
| 15:12.39 | clamiax | tjtag: though it isn't available on sid too so i'm going to build my own kernel. |
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| 15:13.48 | tjtag | clamiax: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main |
| 15:14.19 | AriMartti | in bios there is reading one hdd is in sata1 and the last ones in sata4,sata5 and sata6 |
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| 15:14.25 | tjtag | clamiax: put that in your sources list 2.6.28 is there |
| 15:14.49 | AriMartti | and still there is /dev/hdc, /dev/hdd, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 15:15.17 | AriMartti | and when installing I cant write any on these hdx's |
| 15:17.22 | clamiax | tjtag: how can i know the enabled support of that binary kernel? |
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| 15:17.57 | AriMartti | i'm still wondering why there is no system like sda,sdb,sdc and sdd |
| 15:18.19 | tjtag | clamiax: I don't understand your question ? Im running 2.6.28 on Lenny |
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| 15:19.48 | bela | hi, how to configure evolution instead of thunderbird for enigmail |
| 15:19.58 | clamiax | tjtag: does it, e.g., have the CONFIG_USB_GSPCA support enabled? |
| 15:20.40 | clamiax | tjtag: i would like to get its configuration file in order to check if it have the supports i need. Else i'll have to build my own kernel anyway. |
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| 15:21.13 | tjtag | clamiax: I don't know if it is by default |
| 15:21.16 | stew | clamiax: the config will be in the package in /boot/config-$version |
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| 15:21.42 | clamiax | stew: this mean that i have to install the package *before* to know if it's really needed |
| 15:22.34 | stew | clamiax: its possible to look at it before installing it |
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| 15:23.23 | clamiax | stew: can i look for the enabled kernel options? It's cool. Can you point me to the right URI? |
| 15:23.44 | stew | clamiax: i don't know of a URI |
| 15:23.54 | clamiax | stew: man page? |
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| 15:24.32 | stew | clamiax: the kernel options are in /boot/config-$version in the package. you could extract this file from the .deb before installing it with dpkg -x |
| 15:24.54 | antani | Again :) When I use aptitude to list which packages depends on a selected package, aptitude lists me *all* these packages, not only the installed ones. |
| 15:25.01 | antani | Is it possibile to list only the installed ones? |
| 15:25.06 | clamiax | stew: yes, indeed it seems a faster way than rebuild my own kernel |
| 15:25.18 | clamiax | stew: THX for your help and time, i'll give a glance a that packet. |
| 15:25.43 | stew | antani: use ~i to limit the search to installed packages |
| 15:26.02 | antani | let me check... |
| 15:26.02 | stew | antani: like "aptitude search '~i~Dsomepackage'" |
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| 15:26.20 | tjtag | clamiax: you can always check after install, you don't have to boot it ? |
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| 15:27.32 | clamiax | tjtag: i can't found any reason to boot it if it's not what i need. Though i'll check it first in order to learn if it's have the supports i need. If so, i'll boot it then i'll build my own kernel. It sounds the "right way". |
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| 15:28.15 | tjtag | clamiax: if it help 2.6.28 is a module |
| 15:28.24 | clodde | Hi. i'm planning to install Lenny with lvm enabled, will i be able to rescue my installation with the Lenny dvd if i ever need to? Will the dvd recognize the lvm partitions? |
| 15:28.35 | smacnay | I reformatted a FreeDesk external usb drive but am not sure if I put a partition table on it. I can mount it and write to it but am not sure how necessary a partition table it. |
| 15:29.34 | joltcan | smacnay: use cfdisk for the partitioning, save, then format it |
| 15:29.38 | antani | stew: and what if I want to use the ncurses interface? |
| 15:29.42 | antani | is there any way? |
| 15:31.18 | lymeca | I'm trying to update Xen from Etch to Lenny and someone in #python said : Xen was compiled against a 32-bit Python, but your /usr/bin/python is a 64-bit one instead. |
| 15:31.34 | lymeca | I want all 64-bit dom0 and domU |
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| 15:34.22 | lymeca | My xm is broken because of this python error |
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| 15:36.34 | smacnay | joltcan: thanks |
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| 15:39.24 | smacnay | joltcan: what format would you fdisk it? ext2 or ext3? |
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| 15:40.48 | stew | antani: searchin in the ncurses interface should work the same |
| 15:41.49 | joltcan | smacnay: only gonna use it in linux? ext3 then |
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| 15:42.28 | smacnay | joltcan: I *think* I will only use it for linux backups but I might also use it for WinXP backups from my wife's laptop. |
| 15:42.44 | smacnay | joltcan: maybe msdod or vfat would be wiser for now. |
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| 15:43.21 | Morpheus972 | Bonjour Tout Le Monde !!! :) |
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| 15:44.39 | joltcan | smacnay: Then you have two options. Either ext3 and install the ext3 driver for windows. Or use fat32 with all the limitations of that fs (like large files and others) |
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| 15:53.32 | h4fer | hi, i read that the kernel no longer allows binary only usb drivers. |
| 15:53.40 | h4fer | how can i turn this off? |
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| 15:54.02 | rouslan | I get this error: Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: no such device |
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| 15:56.20 | rotzie | hi, is it possible to get information whether a port is firewalled without having root access .. i always get connection refused messages in my log files when trying to connect from slaves to a master computer |
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| 16:00.20 | soulchild | Hi all,...is there a way to delete dev-pakage that have been installed with "apt-get build-dep ..." ? |
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| 16:01.12 | jelly-home | soulchild: automatically? no, you have to know the package names that were installed |
| 16:01.51 | soulchild | jelly-home: but it has been quite a few, (tried compiling amsn) |
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| 16:02.39 | jelly-home | soulchild: dpkg and aptitude keep logs in /var/log |
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| 16:03.51 | AriMartti | http://rafb.net/p/tznTUT47.html <--- there is output of 'fdisk -l' |
| 16:04.09 | soulchild | jelly-home: thanks, that helps |
| 16:04.37 | asg | rotzie: some of nmap's more exotic probing options may be able to determine if a port is firewalled |
| 16:05.06 | AriMartti | and i'm thinking if i should do something like that: 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/hdc' next |
| 16:06.03 | rotzie | asg: i'll check it thank you |
| 16:06.04 | AriMartti | and same to /dev/hdd |
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| 16:07.20 | AriMartti | i'll set up raid 5 to these 3 discs (sdb, hdc and hdd) |
| 16:07.47 | AriMartti | am i doing everything wrong if doing that? |
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| 16:15.22 | dob1 | hi, there is a program do design database schema like this http://schemaspy.sourceforge.net/sample/relationships.html with the relationship etc ? just the design not to create the code, i was looking on dia but seems it doesn't support this |
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| 16:19.54 | antani | stew: I got everything working (and installed some recommended packages...). but here's another little question: is it possible to keep a static list of packages I want to keep, like the debfoster's keepers? In this way I can install and try packages and then easly remove them, when it's time to clean the system... |
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| 16:22.51 | smacnay | joltcan: thanks - I didn't know that where was an ext3 drive for win... |
| 16:23.02 | raboof | ubuntu has a hosting arrangement for people who'd like to publish self-built packages as an apt repo ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas ). Does Debian have something similar? |
| 16:23.37 | flokuehn | dob1: did you try dia? |
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| 16:25.44 | antani | of course che question is for everybody that has a clue :) |
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| 16:26.31 | jamon | antani: dpkg --get/set-selection sounds like what you're after |
| 16:26.39 | jamon | selections that is |
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| 16:35.05 | dob1 | flokuehn: yes but i don't see which sheet to use for this |
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| 16:37.46 | saurabh | anyone using Intel g41 successfully ? |
| 16:37.57 | saurabh | got even the driver name ? |
| 16:37.58 | nick4 | 32-bit Lenny didn't automatically add my 32-bit WinXP-SP2 partition on the source.list. I tried all (hd0,X) numbers I could think of but it still doesn't boot. Any ideas? |
| 16:38.34 | saurabh | yeah |
| 16:38.42 | saurabh | change your sources.list to menu.lst |
| 16:38.44 | saurabh | :P |
| 16:38.49 | saurabh | ( don't try this at home) |
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| 16:41.12 | flokuehn | saurabh: and definitley not at work;) |
| 16:41.37 | smacnay | What is the generic partition type for WinXP? W95 FAT32? |
| 16:41.49 | smacnay | I am running cfdisk right now. |
| 16:42.18 | miksuh | nick4: you sure menu meni.lst, and not sources.list ? |
| 16:42.29 | smacnay | I am looking for the partition type that will give a WinXP machine no trouble when a usb drive is plugged into it. |
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| 16:43.17 | nick4 | mikroflops /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:43.18 | miksuh | typofif... nick4: you sure mean menu.lst, and not sources.list ? |
| 16:43.23 | miksuh | typofix |
| 16:43.26 | miksuh | damn |
| 16:43.52 | nick4 | yes, menu.lst |
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| 16:47.36 | mcbane | hi |
| 16:48.05 | antani | What I need is ask aptitude this question: "Which packages have I manually installed, BESIDE the packages in a particular list (the debfoster's keepers)?" |
| 16:48.14 | antani | Is there a way to get this function? |
| 16:48.14 | mcbane | how is it called if I specify a ip range in a format like: 136.93.51.1/24 |
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| 16:50.05 | jelly-home | mcbane: CDR format? |
| 16:50.14 | mcbane | thanks jelly-home |
| 16:51.08 | miksuh | nick4: add something lik this in your menu.lst |
| 16:51.21 | nick4 | yes? |
| 16:52.34 | miksuh | http://paste.debian.net/25179/ |
| 16:53.47 | nick4 | miksuh hmmmm... I tried all (hd0,X) but not 0! |
| 16:53.51 | nick4 | let me try this.. |
| 16:53.53 | miksuh | jut set the root correctly |
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| 16:54.03 | hoxu | antani, aptitude search '~i!~M' and then you just need to remove from the list the other list |
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| 16:54.56 | hoxu | antani, sort & uniq can probably help with that |
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| 16:55.13 | antani | good idea! |
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| 16:55.26 | flower | is there something like Ubuntu's launchpad for Debian to manage your own apt repo? |
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| 16:55.47 | antani | and what if I want to search '~i!~M' that are NOT a dependency of another installed package? |
| 16:56.54 | themill | flower: no, but /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 16:57.45 | vedant | hi, i have a read failure at LBA 31 of a hard disk.. how do I fix it? |
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| 16:58.39 | antani | hoxu: aptitude search '~i!~M!~R(~i)' will do the trick? |
| 16:58.44 | flower | themill, thanks, so I need my own web space when I make it public? |
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| 16:59.25 | themill | flower: yes. Debian provides some space for people to work towards getting their packages actually in to debian itself though -- /msg dpkg mentors |
| 16:59.38 | hoxu | antani, no clue, I haven't delved that deep into aptitude magic :P |
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| 17:05.35 | bullgard4 | I belong to the (UNIX) group 'dip'. I found that this is a standard group that allows to use tools to establish a dial-in connection. What does the 'p' stand for in 'dip'? |
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| 17:06.44 | hark | Dialup IP |
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| 17:07.37 | bullgard4 | Thank you. |
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| 17:21.14 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell apt-get to downgrade a number of packages? |
| 17:21.26 | HardDisk_WP | I can download them manually and install via dpkg, yeah |
| 17:21.33 | HardDisk_WP | but how do I do it via apt-get? |
| 17:21.46 | abrotman | why would you have done that? |
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| 17:22.10 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, a year ago new libc version was released, which was incompatible with the RHEL kernel of my vserver host |
| 17:22.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:22.51 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, I'm not joking... I think I even wrote some blog entry about that mess |
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| 17:23.28 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, http://www.nabble.com/glibc-2.7-3-MIGRATED-to-testing-causes-system-to-stop-starting-new-programs-td14233678.html |
| 17:24.01 | HardDisk_WP | " |
| 17:24.01 | HardDisk_WP | I guess you are using a RedHat kernel version 2.6.9-5.ELsmp. This kernel |
| 17:24.01 | HardDisk_WP | is unsupported due to broken RedHat specific patches." |
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| 17:24.44 | HardDisk_WP | lol, he has the same hoster as me it seems |
| 17:24.59 | michele | which version of vlc is in debian testing? |
| 17:25.43 | patrikf | !tell michele about pdo |
| 17:26.00 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 17:26.02 | judd | abrotman: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.8.6.h-5 experimental: 0.9.8a-1 |
| 17:26.15 | HardDisk_WP | coool |
| 17:26.46 | smacnay | Seems that WinXP defaults to formatting disks to ntfs. Good to know for my wife. |
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| 17:55.17 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, do you know a "magic" url which gets me the etch version of a package? |
| 17:55.34 | HardDisk_WP | the workaround with http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/$PKG/download sucks =) |
| 17:55.45 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 17:55.51 | abrotman | parse the Packages file ? |
| 17:56.16 | HardDisk_WP | both is more complex^^ |
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| 17:57.49 | themill | --print-uris |
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| 18:00.12 | jkp | hi all, is there a repo with an AMD64 2.6.28 kernel at all? |
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| 18:04.28 | nsadmin | jkp: at this point you probably have to build it yourself |
| 18:04.39 | themill | jkp: see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
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| 18:05.04 | nsadmin | why isn't your current kernel working? |
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| 18:05.16 | der_Metzger | ahoy hoy, anyone running an encrypted root with a 2.6.27/28 kernel? |
| 18:05.40 | jkp | current kernel is ok, im just running debian as a kvm host |
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| 18:05.47 | jkp | theres a lot of new virt related stuff in 28 |
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| 18:05.58 | abrotman | der_Metzger: those kernels aren't in debian |
| 18:06.08 | der_Metzger | yeah, custom 27/28 |
| 18:06.16 | der_Metzger | showed up after the freeze.. |
| 18:07.09 | der_Metzger | things build ok, but where the initrd should be calling cryptsetup to decrypt the root drive, it panics that there is no init= line |
| 18:07.41 | nsadmin | did you build with make-kpkg? |
| 18:07.50 | der_Metzger | yeah |
| 18:07.54 | der_Metzger | the debian way --initrd etc |
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| 18:09.38 | nsadmin | had you looked at the initrd image produced when you installed the package? |
| 18:10.03 | tjtag | abrotman: those kernels ain debian |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | no |
| 18:10.14 | tjtag | abrotman: are in debian |
| 18:10.37 | der_Metzger | it's there, what else is there to look aat? |
| 18:10.50 | abrotman | tjtag: no they aren't |
| 18:10.56 | tjtag | deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ trunk main |
| 18:10.58 | nsadmin | you can mount it and look at the script |
| 18:11.02 | tjtag | Im runnin 2.6.28 now |
| 18:11.09 | thechef | I ran alsaconf, because my sound card was no longer accessable. It works now, but now the microphone of the USB webcam is no longer available |
| 18:11.14 | abrotman | tjtag: that's not in debian .. show me where they are on packages.debian.org |
| 18:11.21 | nsadmin | kernel-archive.buildserver.net is an official mirror? |
| 18:11.29 | themill | no |
| 18:11.39 | abrotman | right .. thought not |
| 18:11.43 | siriusb | anyone here can ask me some questions about installing debian? |
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| 18:11.56 | tjtag | debian source complete with patches |
| 18:12.08 | themill | tjtag: that's not debian. That's the debian kernel team's play place. Stuff that is there might one day make it into debian or it might not. |
| 18:12.17 | abrotman | tjtag: they're not in debian |
| 18:12.31 | abrotman | siriusb: did you enjoy the installer process? |
| 18:12.36 | tjtag | abrotman: pkg repos |
| 18:12.41 | abrotman | tjtag: no .. they are not |
| 18:12.56 | nsadmin | tjtag: anyone can run a package repo |
| 18:12.57 | tjtag | abrotman: I said not pkg repos |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | they're not in debian .. at all |
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| 18:13.42 | tjtag | abrotman: well we disaggree then |
| 18:13.49 | abrotman | you don't even know if those are functional kernels or what their purpose is .. and quite frankly .. you're a fool for using them |
| 18:14.09 | nsadmin | tjtag: no, it;s a fact. those kernels are not official parts of debian |
| 18:14.13 | abrotman | caveag emptor |
| 18:14.25 | abrotman | i can't type |
| 18:14.25 | |vovkav| | is there anyone who wants to be the 3rd player for monop/atlantik? |
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| 18:14.30 | tjtag | abrotman: its very easy to compare the patch to the original, been using them for years |
| 18:14.32 | themill | tjtag: any idiot can put up a repo and stick .debs in it that you can use if you want. That doesn't make them part of debian. |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | tjtag: that doesn't make them "in debian" which is what you stated |
| 18:15.15 | themill | tjtag: that the patch is the same doesn't make them working kernels and doesn't make them official kernels. They are *prerelease* kernels and everyone in the debian kernel team will tell you that. |
| 18:15.21 | tjtag | themill: well then just get a vanilla kernel and debianize it |
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| 18:15.32 | themill | *sigh* |
| 18:15.35 | nsadmin | tjtag: and glad they worked out for you... that doesn't make them official... as of this point the only way they'd be official is if they came with etch |
| 18:16.06 | tjtag | nsadmin: I did not say there were official |
| 18:16.20 | abrotman | they're also not in debian |
| 18:16.27 | nsadmin | yes you did... you said "they are in debian", that would make them official |
| 18:16.28 | themill | tjtag: yes you did [18:10] <tjtag> abrotman: those kernels ain debian |
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| 18:18.38 | nsadmin | see, you might think we're playing with words... and we're not. to "be in debian" has specific meaning |
| 18:18.39 | tjtag | Oh well, its the same kernel as what has been released, how does that work ? |
| 18:18.49 | Jemt | Will I have to rebuild the ndiswrapper kernel module if a kernel update is installed ? |
| 18:18.58 | tjtag | nsadmin: Yes I know what it means |
| 18:19.07 | themill | tjtag: 2.6.28 has *not* been released by debian... |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | tjtag: they haven't been released .. and might never be |
| 18:19.20 | nsadmin | "released" also has specific meaning, the latest release of debian is etch |
| 18:19.23 | themill | 2.6.27 will most likely never be released by debian |
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| 18:19.30 | tjtag | abrotman: I didnt say released by Debian did I ? |
| 18:19.35 | abrotman | you said "in debian" |
| 18:19.40 | nsadmin | yes you did |
| 18:19.48 | themill | smells troll |
| 18:20.02 | themill | troll with ADHD that can't remember what it said 2 minutes ago |
| 18:20.05 | riot | anybody knows what happened to the supercollider-package? |
| 18:20.16 | tjtag | nsadmin: no I said Oh well, its the same kernel as what has been released, how does that work ? |
| 18:20.23 | riot | only stuff i can find is for ubuntu. Yuck. |
| 18:20.47 | nsadmin | tjtag: are we talking officially or not? |
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| 18:20.54 | abrotman | tjtag: but .27 and .28 haven't been released at all as part of debian |
| 18:21.06 | nsadmin | the words you're using imply official |
| 18:21.06 | dutchfish | abrotman, yup |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | yup what? |
| 18:21.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, not there yet |
| 18:21.26 | stew | riot: removed becuase it was buggy for a long time and had few users: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454257 |
| 18:21.30 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'm aware of this |
| 18:21.37 | tjtag | nsadmin: no Im talking about what kernel.org, no sorry, I did not mean to imply official Debian kernel |
| 18:22.07 | themill | tjtag: do you actually have a specific debian question that we can help you with? Or are you just here to argue with people? |
| 18:22.17 | abrotman | yes you did! |
| 18:22.24 | |vovkav| | is there anyone who wants to be the 3rd player for monop/atlantik? |
| 18:22.55 | nsadmin | tjtag: then you could use words like "available, but outside the official debian repos" or "available, but not officially released" |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | and certainly not supported |
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| 18:23.47 | riot | stew: thx. |
| 18:24.08 | dutchfish | tjtag, but you are free to roll your own |
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| 18:24.14 | nsadmin | well support comes and goes... you might be able to find someone willing to answer questions, which would make you lucky |
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| 18:25.00 | tjtag | themill: no I do not have a question, and I did not come here to argue, I was answering someone elses question, where they could get a kernel |
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| 18:25.12 | abrotman | that wasn't even what they asked |
| 18:25.27 | tjtag | dutchfish: I always do, I had to to get ext4 support |
| 18:25.29 | themill | tjtag: Great. Please make sure your answers are accurate then. |
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| 18:25.59 | tjtag | themill: I think I have already done that !! |
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| 18:26.06 | abrotman | wrong |
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| 18:26.36 | tjtag | abrotman: nsadmin: no Im talking about what kernel.org, no sorry, I did not mean to imply official Debian kernel |
| 18:26.45 | themill | tjtag: I'm not going to go through this again.... there is nothing that is "in debian" about those kernels and you should know more about them before recommending them to people. |
| 18:26.47 | abrotman | you said "in debian"!!!! |
| 18:26.51 | nsadmin | tjtag: ok, so you know, if you say something is in debian, they'll expect to be able to apt-get install it without altering their source.list... you'd have to give them the repo address |
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| 18:27.30 | _Joy_ | наÑод, где можно ÑкаÑаÑÑ Ð´Ñова Ð´Ð»Ñ cd-rom`а?.. |
| 18:27.33 | tjtag | nsadmin: I did give the address |
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| 18:27.51 | nsadmin | eventually |
| 18:27.53 | tjtag | nsadmin: lets just drop it |
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| 18:28.05 | nsadmin | sure, it should be dropped |
| 18:28.14 | mhymn | !ru |
| 18:28.14 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 18:55.57 | ferret_0567 | how do I download packages for a 32-bit (i386) arch when I'm on a 64-bit arch (x86_64)? I want to install wireless-tools onto my laptop, but it's 32-bit |
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| 18:56.05 | ferret_0567 | how do I download packages for a 32-bit (i386) arch when I'm on a 64-bit arch (x86_64)? I want to install wireless-tools onto my laptop, but it's 32-bit |
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| 18:57.38 | travis | how do I download packages for a 32-bit (i386) arch when I'm on a 64-bit arch (x86_64)? I want to install wireless-tools onto my laptop, but it's 32-bit |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | travis: stop repeating |
| 18:58.53 | ferret_0567 | how do I download packages for a 32-bit (i386) arch when I'm on a 64-bit arch (x86_64)? I want to install wireless-tools onto my laptop, but it's 32-bit |
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| 18:59.03 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: opps, sorry |
| 18:59.12 | abrotman | quit being stupid |
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| 18:59.56 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: look, I didn't realize my messages where going through. I had a long scrollback of literally days in length |
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| 19:01.24 | ferret_0567 | abrotman: I guess I'll just download the URL specified on my laptop...it would be nice to know an easier way |
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| 19:06.49 | clad007 | Hello, Xvnc is a virtual X server. I am looking for a way to take control of a real X server, how do you guys do that? |
| 19:07.31 | clad007 | by real X server I mean one witch display things on a real and physical screen |
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| 19:10.10 | jazotic | clad007: i guess that's x11vnc |
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| 19:14.14 | LiENUS | is there a way to have a printer class in CUPS that just does failover and no load balancing? |
| 19:14.35 | abrotman | printer? failover? |
| 19:14.47 | clad007 | jazotic: thanks! |
| 19:15.01 | jazotic | clad007: np |
| 19:15.14 | LiENUS | abrotman, so if one printer goes down cups uses the other |
| 19:15.40 | sepski | heck i do intentional random printer downtime to try to get people to cut down on the dead tree consumption |
| 19:16.10 | patrikf | sepski: and you still have a job? |
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| 19:16.57 | LiENUS | heh i do everything i can to avoid printer downtime |
| 19:17.26 | LiENUS | i've got the data for my print server mirrored on 3 hard drives with heartbeating managing a vm to ensure that the print server stays up |
| 19:17.27 | sepski | ofcourse. :) |
| 19:17.39 | dutchfish | LiENUS, maybe you can poll printers and run your own script to switch. |
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| 19:18.03 | LiENUS | :/ |
| 19:18.06 | sepski | LiENUS, is is such a horrible thing that they loadbalance ? |
| 19:18.13 | LiENUS | sepski, yes |
| 19:18.29 | LiENUS | the printers are on the other side of the room from each other |
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| 19:19.04 | JordiGH | The new default wallpaper in lenny is pretty. |
| 19:19.08 | JordiGH | I like my spirals red. |
| 19:19.14 | dutchfish | LiENUS, http://nixcraft.com/getting-started-tutorials/799-load-balancing-pooling-print-jobs-using-cups-print-queues.html |
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| 19:19.35 | LiENUS | dutchfish, that does load balancing though |
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| 19:20.29 | dutchfish | LiENUS, yes, but if 1 goes dead its easy to remove/hold it from the ppol by script as explained |
| 19:21.16 | stoned | !ping |
| 19:21.16 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:21.30 | stoned | why do i keep getting timeouts on iceweasel |
| 19:21.43 | stoned | it just keeps saying looking up stuff and it never looks it up |
| 19:21.53 | craigevil-eee | dns issues? |
| 19:22.11 | stoned | but my irc is online ok no problem |
| 19:22.21 | LiENUS | dutchfish, i'm just not looking forward to attempting that heh, i havent the first clue on how to poll the printer |
| 19:22.37 | LiENUS | i've never touched the cups command line stuff |
| 19:22.39 | abrotman | stoned: does it happen with other gecko-based like epiphany... does it happen with konq ? |
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| 19:24.34 | stoned | I haven't tested any other browsers yet |
| 19:24.40 | stoned | but its back again |
| 19:24.49 | stoned | nxt time it happens I'll try a few more browsers |
| 19:25.10 | AriMartti | please help me |
| 19:25.36 | stoned | please ask questions for help |
| 19:25.42 | stoned | !tell AriMartti -about ask |
| 19:25.44 | dutchfish | LiENUS, http://www.sinenomine.net/system/files?file=Advanced-CUPS.pdf (page 6) |
| 19:25.56 | AriMartti | how to overwrite raid superblock (software raid) from my hdd:s? http://rafb.net/p/pJoeQk58.html <--- fdisk -l |
| 19:26.37 | AriMartti | i think i have only debian installer's busybox |
| 19:26.47 | AriMartti | it contains dd :P |
| 19:26.50 | stoned | aww shit in konqueror too |
| 19:27.03 | stoned | I can't access his paste, unkown host?! |
| 19:27.04 | stoned | !ping |
| 19:27.04 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:27.08 | stoned | pulls out hair |
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| 19:27.41 | AriMartti | stoned: it's okay for my browser :) |
| 19:27.56 | AriMartti | http://rafb.net/p/pJoeQk58.html |
| 19:27.58 | stoned | yeh i know im having trouble on my desktop machine, my laptop with irssi is fine as you can see |
| 19:28.31 | stoned | on the desktop it won't resolve, or ping or nothing, net goes out randomly and then comes back on this machine |
| 19:28.39 | abrotman | strace it out .. see how the ns look ups are happening |
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| 19:28.48 | Tekno | where do I get Xorg Synaptics driver 0.99.1 or newer |
| 19:29.19 | craigevil-eee | stoned: tried disabling ipv6? |
| 19:29.20 | abrotman | judd: versions xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 19:29.20 | judd | abrotman: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics -- etch: 0.14.6-1 lenny: 0.14.7~git20070706-3 sid: 0.14.7~git20070706-3 experimental: 0.15.0+git20080820-1 |
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| 19:29.27 | abrotman | Tekno: you sure that's the right driver version? |
| 19:29.29 | stoned | http://stoned.pastebin.com/dc608c2 |
| 19:29.33 | Tekno | I need 0.99.1 or newer |
| 19:29.51 | edistar_ | can anyone tell me what the performance difference of running a modified DomU and an unmodified DomU with HVM (both Debian) in a Xen Dom0 is? |
| 19:29.59 | abrotman | Tekno: i can't imagine they went from 0.15 to 0.99 |
| 19:30.08 | Tekno | abrotman: http://arjan.opmeer.net/elantech/ |
| 19:30.12 | Tekno | WARNING: You will need Xorg Synaptics driver 0.99.1 or newer (0.99.2, 0.99.3) to interoperate with the 2.6.28 kernel Elantech driver! |
| 19:30.17 | dutchfish | edistar_, within what context and wich version? |
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| 19:30.34 | abrotman | Tekno: where did you get a .28 kernel ? |
| 19:30.35 | stoned | # |
| 19:30.36 | stoned | read(5, "nameserver 192.168.1.1\n"..., 4096) = 23 |
| 19:30.40 | craigevil-eee | Tekno: is this for your eee? 900 doesnt use elantech |
| 19:30.44 | Tekno | abrotman: from www.kernel.org |
| 19:30.44 | stoned | router is doing resolution |
| 19:30.55 | stoned | upuntil today its worked for years |
| 19:31.09 | abrotman | Tekno: so you can compile a kernel, but not the synaptics driver that page links you to ? |
| 19:31.13 | stoned | this is only on my desktop and its intermittent |
| 19:31.19 | craigevil-eee | stoned: might try resetting your router |
| 19:31.20 | edistar_ | dutchfish: I want to run skolelinux (ltsp) on a dell server and I don't want to touch it ever again except update.. so I thought it would be safer to use the hw VT |
| 19:31.28 | Tekno | abrotman: yea |
| 19:31.35 | stoned | craigevil-eee, I'm sick of resetting it |
| 19:31.43 | stoned | I can't get up every 10minutes to do so |
| 19:31.44 | dutchfish | edistar_, that staement is correct |
| 19:31.47 | abrotman | Tekno: then i guess you should use a supported kernel |
| 19:31.49 | AriMartti | anyone can help me? |
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| 19:32.10 | craigevil-eee | i had a linksys for yrs then it started dropping my connections |
| 19:32.22 | dutchfish | edistar_, if your CPU support it (VT) run 64 bit in dom-0, then it does not really matter if you guests are hvm or not |
| 19:32.23 | TeknoEee | [ 1.468114] elantech.c: Elantech version query result 0x02, 0x00, 0x30. |
| 19:32.23 | TeknoEee | [ 1.468119] elantech.c: assuming hardware version 2, firmware version 2.48 |
| 19:32.23 | TeknoEee | [ 1.542385] elantech.c: Synaptics capabilities query result 0x00, 0x02, 0x64. |
| 19:32.31 | edistar_ | dutchfish: ok, thanks |
| 19:32.34 | AriMartti | how to overwrite the raid superblock using dd ( http://rafb.net/p/pJoeQk58.html <--- there is fdisk -l ) |
| 19:32.53 | abrotman | !tell Tekno about eeepc |
| 19:33.07 | dutchfish | edistar_, hvm might have a slight performance drawback, bu thats marginal within your wanted OS |
| 19:33.30 | edistar_ | dutchfish: I wasn't sure how much it affected the performance.. thanks! |
| 19:33.35 | stoned | also |
| 19:33.42 | stoned | my router is working VERY VERY slowly |
| 19:33.46 | craigevil-eee | stoned: have you tried disabling ipv6 on your desktop? |
| 19:33.49 | dutchfish | edistar_, but watch all what is VNC thats still ugly |
| 19:33.50 | unixSnob | is upgrading someone from etch to lenny, so he can see youtube videos... is that reasonable? |
| 19:33.55 | stoned | it is taking like 2 minutes to login to it |
| 19:33.56 | stoned | wtf |
| 19:34.04 | abrotman | unixSnob: not really .. but you never listen to us anyways |
| 19:34.08 | stoned | craigevil-eee, no |
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| 19:34.20 | unixSnob | abrotman: it was in here that i got that advice |
| 19:34.25 | edistar_ | dutchfish: sorry? VNC? |
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| 19:34.48 | dutchfish | edistar_, if you want remote grpahical desktop, and use VNC, it can have some impact on performance |
| 19:35.07 | edistar_ | dutchfish: I don't do graphical UIs for servers, but thanks |
| 19:35.19 | dutchfish | edistar_, so i dont use that, good choice |
| 19:36.50 | dutchfish | !hvm |
| 19:36.50 | dpkg | i guess hvm is used under xen to allow full virtualization of unmodified operating systems such as windows and unmodified kernels, for this to work you need a CPU with intel's VT or amd's pacifica support. xen also needs a special package xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 (Etch) to work with hvm. Read this for futher information on motherboards http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Motherboards |
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| 19:37.27 | edistar_ | dutchfish: thank you! |
| 19:37.35 | dutchfish | edistar_, yw |
| 19:37.36 | stoned | ok I disabled ipv6 |
| 19:37.44 | stoned | though I don't think that should matter |
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| 19:39.06 | stoned | ok, that sucked |
| 19:40.21 | stoned | ok it works now lets hope it keeps working |
| 19:40.27 | abchirk | fu |
| 19:40.37 | stoned | no thanks abchirk |
| 19:40.43 | abchirk | ok. np |
| 19:40.52 | stoned | abchirk, what happened to that nice young girl you were dating? |
| 19:40.57 | stoned | abchirk, go ask her ;) |
| 19:41.12 | LiENUS | blargh cups doesnt update lpq when the printer goes offline :/ |
| 19:41.12 | abchirk | eh? which girl??? I met some in a week? |
| 19:41.16 | LiENUS | at least not for samba printers |
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| 19:41.29 | stoned | abchirk, last time we talked you were dating some girl you met |
| 19:41.33 | stoned | anyway |
| 19:42.00 | abchirk | yes, ehm right... maybe I am still with her. |
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| 19:42.23 | dutchfish | LiENUS, why not go by unix printing, even some big companies use that within a samba-envirenment ;) |
| 19:43.24 | LiENUS | well i have no idea if using lpd or ipp will work any better for determining status |
| 19:43.41 | Tekno | 21:30:00 < abrotman> Tekno: i can't imagine they went from 0.15 to 0.99 |
| 19:43.44 | Tekno | they really did |
| 19:43.44 | dutchfish | LiENUS, i am sure it will (less proto overhead) |
| 19:43.46 | stoned | tjtag, please do not msg me |
| 19:43.49 | Tekno | according to this: 21:30:00 < abrotman> Tekno: i can't imagine they went from 0.15 to 0.99 |
| 19:43.57 | Tekno | oops i meant http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-synaptics/ |
| 19:43.59 | stoned | tjtag, something I can help you with here? |
| 19:44.01 | abrotman | Tekno: i saw that later |
| 19:44.15 | stoned | tjtag, don't msg me for a supprot question, only if its a personal message |
| 19:44.18 | abrotman | Tekno: doesn't make it sane! |
| 19:44.30 | tjtag | stoned: no thanks, it was personal |
| 19:44.42 | stoned | tjtag, ok, go ahead. Should ask first though :) |
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| 19:46.22 | LiENUS | itd prolly at least make it easier to probe the printer directly rather than going through cups |
| 19:47.03 | dutchfish | LiENUS, dont use ipp unless its a very small work group |
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| 19:47.39 | LiENUS | dutchfish, theres only 15 workstations |
| 19:47.42 | LiENUS | its a veterinary clinic |
| 19:47.51 | dutchfish | LiENUS, then go by unix printing |
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| 19:48.30 | dutchfish | LiENUS, oh cool |
| 19:48.57 | LiENUS | the only reason i'm doing the high availability thing is i live an hour and a half away |
| 19:49.48 | dutchfish | LiENUS, good point |
| 19:50.44 | abrotman | thought there was a way to do printer pools ? |
| 19:51.03 | LiENUS | abrotman, printer classes in cups are always round robin unless you disable a printer |
| 19:51.07 | LiENUS | which kind of defeats the point |
| 19:51.07 | abrotman | mighthave missed that part of the conversation :) |
| 19:51.17 | LiENUS | at least afaik they're always round robin |
| 19:51.20 | abrotman | LiENUS: that lady over there could use the exercise ... |
| 19:51.23 | LiENUS | i dont want the load balancing only the failover |
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| 19:51.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, http://www.sinenomine.net/system/files?file=Advanced-CUPS.pdf (page 6) |
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| 19:52.08 | abrotman | okay .. seems done |
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| 19:52.57 | dutchfish | no not again |
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| 19:57.06 | LiENUS | woah |
| 19:57.26 | tjtag | what is that ? |
| 19:57.27 | maligor | netsplit |
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| 19:57.27 | maligor | and netjoin |
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| 19:57.38 | newsense | netsplit |
| 19:57.38 | abrotman | we covered that |
| 19:57.38 | themill | welcome back boys and girls |
| 19:57.38 | tjtag | Thanks I got it |
| 19:57.38 | stoned | I don't know about netsplits, I don't care about em |
| 19:57.38 | stoned | they don't annoy me in the least bit |
| 19:57.39 | stoned | 02:53 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 19:57.39 | maligor | it's annoying the person you're speaking to ends up on the other split |
| 19:57.39 | themill | stoned: that's because you're used to talking to yourself with no-one listening |
| 19:57.39 | stoned | themill, no |
| 19:57.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:57.40 | stoned | its becuase I ignore bullshit I don' need to see |
| 19:57.40 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/irssi.jpg |
| 19:57.40 | stoned | example |
| 19:57.40 | maligor | then you might be talking to someone who's on the other side |
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| 19:57.41 | stoned | look man |
| 19:57.52 | stoned | if nick complete don't work, I don't talk to those assholes ;) |
| 19:57.59 | stoned | obviously if nickcomp dont' work, they left |
| 19:57.59 | abrotman | eloquent as always ... |
| 19:58.15 | stoned | or parted or quitted or splitted* |
| 19:58.19 | LiENUS | stoned, did you mean to put your root pass in that screenshot? |
| 19:58.28 | stoned | yes |
| 19:58.43 | LiENUS | just makin sure |
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| 19:59.06 | stoned | have fun |
| 19:59.54 | LiENUS | sshd should just disable passwords by default anyway :/ |
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| 20:00.22 | stoned | heh |
| 20:00.22 | stoned | no it shouldn't |
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| 20:00.28 | LiENUS | i refuse to let the people on my shell server use passwords |
| 20:00.35 | LiENUS | they all bitch and moan at first |
| 20:00.44 | LiENUS | then they quickly realize "hey this is a lot more convenient" |
| 20:00.53 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 20:01.05 | LiENUS | its like having the pam happy hour module enabled 24/7 |
| 20:01.09 | stoned | LiENUS, I hope you're joking, I have no sense of humor. |
| 20:01.14 | LiENUS | i'm not |
| 20:01.16 | maligor | and then someone compromises their system and steals the keys? |
| 20:01.18 | LiENUS | ssh keys only |
| 20:01.29 | LiENUS | maligor, they still need their password |
| 20:01.42 | LiENUS | and they're no worse off than if someone compromised their system and installed a keylogger |
| 20:01.50 | maligor | there was that mess a while back about keys being stolen |
| 20:02.19 | LiENUS | easier to change keys than it is to change passwords |
| 20:02.37 | LiENUS | all you do is put the new one in .ssh/authorized users then load the key into pagaent |
| 20:02.52 | LiENUS | winscp/putty/whatever all get the new key immediately |
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| 20:09.58 | nicko | is it possible to mount 'novell netware 386' partitions? |
| 20:10.03 | lymeca | Anyone here experienced with upgrading Xen on Debian? |
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| 20:10.18 | joltcan | No, but I'm thinking of doing it tonight |
| 20:10.24 | joltcan | at least from etch to lenny |
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| 20:10.48 | lymeca | joltcan: I'm in the middle of that process. |
| 20:11.03 | abrotman | nicko: as a network drive? or local |
| 20:11.08 | nicko | local |
| 20:11.18 | lymeca | I've ran into an issue and I want to reboot to compelte the installation but am concerned it won't work when it starts up |
| 20:11.44 | Sifre | hi all. |
| 20:11.56 | Sifre | how to install ZNC irc bouncer? |
| 20:11.59 | joltcan | lymeca: Don't you have a regular kernel to boot from in case that happens? |
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| 20:12.27 | stoned | Sifre, read the docs |
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| 20:13.00 | joltcan | Sifre: aptitude install it, then read /usr/share/doc/znc/README.Debian |
| 20:13.21 | nicko | abrotman: local |
| 20:13.33 | lymeca | yeah but terminal access |
| 20:13.37 | lymeca | is not trivial |
| 20:13.46 | lymeca | I have to go to the Public Safety office at the college |
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| 20:13.52 | lymeca | and convince them to let me into the server room |
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| 20:14.19 | abrotman | nicko: fdisk -l <disk device> see what it lists it as |
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| 20:15.10 | joltcan | lymeca: That sucks++, don't think you will have a way around it unless you don't have a serial access system somewhere |
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| 20:16.05 | nicko | abrotman: I did fdisk RET p, and got Novel Netware 386 under System |
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| 20:17.37 | skraelings | does anyone know /have used sleuthkit to recover data from a dead disk? |
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| 20:19.26 | frog_ | hi, anyone could recommended me any movie maker? i have some photos, that i wanna mix and show pararell and/or sequential with comments and music in background |
| 20:19.44 | dvs | frog_: for debian? |
| 20:19.53 | frog_ | dvs: yes |
| 20:20.37 | dusted | frog_, hmm, cinelerra is a pretty decent editor |
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| 20:20.39 | abrotman | you want more slide show software ? |
| 20:20.51 | frog_ | dvs: would e nce, if it would be somthig easy to learn.. i have no idea about making a movie |
| 20:21.05 | abrotman | frog_: where are you going to display it? a DVD palyer? or from a computer? |
| 20:21.18 | frog_ | dusted: thanks |
| 20:21.53 | dusted | you can insert a jpg and stretch it's time, so, it might be a painfull way to create a slideshow.. |
| 20:22.02 | frog_ | abrotman: slide show but with comments and music. would love also show some photos at once |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | frog_: where are you going to display it? a DVD palyer? or from a computer? |
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| 20:22.27 | frog_ | abrotman: sorry, rather computer |
| 20:22.50 | abrotman | frog_: Impress might work for you .. it's kind of like powerpoint |
| 20:23.32 | frog_ | abrotman: ok, thank you |
| 20:24.57 | jhutchins | I notice that, unlike other distros I've used, when I log in to a debian host using ssh in a konsole window it doesn't update the window's title bar. Is there a way to enable that? |
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| 20:27.02 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:27.17 | \amethyst | jhutchins: you'll need to set it using escape codes (or the program xtermset or xtermcontrol) in PS1 or in PROMPT_COMMAND |
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| 20:27.30 | Papillon | Si vous savez dupliquer un objet dans la réalitée, contactez-moi en privé, j'ai besoin d'information. |
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| 20:28.16 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:28.17 | \amethyst | jhutchins: I have in my bashrc a function nfm_xterm_title (http://s-z.org/neil/config/shfuncs.html) and then PROMPT_COMMAND=nfm_xterm_title |
| 20:28.27 | stoned | simonrvn, do you speak french? |
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| 20:28.38 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 20:28.50 | stoned | awesome |
| 20:29.09 | stoned | he said soemthing about contactig him i private |
| 20:29.14 | stoned | I gather that much, for more information |
| 20:29.24 | stoned | somethinga bout a dupliate object in reality! |
| 20:29.26 | stoned | :) |
| 20:29.35 | simonrvn | s/he said if you know how to duplicate an object in reality, please pm me, i'm in need iof inf. |
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| 20:29.47 | jhutchins | hmmm... I suppose i could try copying the termcap file from one of the distros where it works... |
| 20:29.47 | stoned | what does that mean anyway? |
| 20:30.00 | simonrvn | pardon the typos |
| 20:30.09 | \amethyst | someone's looking for nanoconstructors? |
| 20:30.13 | simonrvn | that's why i did the "o_O" |
| 20:30.20 | \amethyst | or maybe just a 3D printer? |
| 20:30.52 | simonrvn | one of those oh fuck, what's it called again... |
| 20:30.59 | \amethyst | replicator? |
| 20:31.05 | \amethyst | :) |
| 20:31.14 | dvs | \amethyst: heh. geek. |
| 20:31.17 | dvs | ;-) |
| 20:31.25 | simonrvn | buddy of mine showed me their site. it's a machine that can make a copy of itself, and make stuff. |
| 20:31.55 | simonrvn | with biodegradable plastics, and metal parts |
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| 20:32.31 | stoned | uhm |
| 20:32.37 | simonrvn | was 'open source', too |
| 20:33.08 | stoned | what kinda stuff? |
| 20:33.22 | stoned | like wierd science? can you make a chic? |
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| 20:33.39 | dvs | gets his chemicals |
| 20:33.43 | simonrvn | coat hooks, parts to recreate itself, various house gizmos, etc. |
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| 20:33.49 | stoned | cool |
| 20:33.53 | kestutis | hey |
| 20:34.08 | stoned | I would like to see that, they featured something like that on TLC, the learning channel |
| 20:34.30 | dvs | simonrvn: can it make a Roomba? |
| 20:34.32 | kestutis | is any good program for creating music? |
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| 20:35.01 | stoned | it uses lasers to lap out the entire object's surface and xrays or other stuff to get an idea of how it islike inside, then it takes plastics metals, and breaks the image down in millions of little fragments, and the machine then builds the object's copy layer by layer |
| 20:35.04 | simonrvn | i'll have to see one to my browsers' histories to find the site |
| 20:35.09 | stoned | its pretty cool technology |
| 20:35.13 | jdrake | What package can I find the man pages for libc? I have tried glibc-doc without success. |
| 20:35.15 | stoned | s/lap/map |
| 20:35.29 | simonrvn | dvs: dunno, but they plan on being able to make pcbs |
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| 20:35.51 | simonrvn | jdrake: it's in non-free iirc |
| 20:36.05 | jdrake | Isn't that a queer place for it? |
| 20:36.11 | simonrvn | manpages-dev has docs too |
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| 20:36.50 | Papillon | donnez-moi ce que je demande |
| 20:37.08 | jdrake | simonrvn, thanks, I am installing now to see |
| 20:37.14 | dvs | nets Papillon |
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| 20:37.31 | stoned | nets? |
| 20:37.31 | stoned | :) |
| 20:37.41 | simonrvn | Papillon: only if we actually have that info. sheesh. ever heard of google? |
| 20:37.44 | dvs | stoned: that's what you do to a butterfly. |
| 20:37.55 | stoned | no you don't |
| 20:38.01 | dvs | you shoot it? |
| 20:38.02 | stoned | you leave them the fuck alone. |
| 20:38.15 | simonrvn | what you do is let it fly |
| 20:38.21 | dvs | bah! |
| 20:38.30 | stoned | simonrvn understands |
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| 20:38.54 | dvs | they are like baseball card. you collect them. ;-) |
| 20:38.58 | simonrvn | it's in the name even. really ;). |
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| 20:39.22 | macman | guys .. do you know of any good pcmicia cards that have atheroes chipset ? |
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| 20:40.13 | newsense | check linux-wireless.org i think is the url they have a list |
| 20:40.14 | jazotic | macman: netgear wg511t, but maybe even they change chipsets... |
| 20:40.37 | stoned | so whats the most bestest wireless chipset that works wonderfully with linux? |
| 20:41.07 | macman | jazotic, ndiswrapper ? |
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| 20:41.21 | jazotic | atheros - madwifi or ath5k |
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| 20:41.34 | dvs | ath9k too? |
| 20:41.39 | jazotic | nope |
| 20:41.42 | maligor | ath9k is for 802.11n |
| 20:42.22 | macman | jazotic, my built in wireless won't work with that im trying to do .. i want to be able to go to a store and my a pcmcia card or usb card that has atheros or something |
| 20:42.22 | newsense | http://linuxwireless.org/ < have always used this site before buying a wifi card and have never bought one that didnt work ! |
| 20:42.26 | macman | jazotic, like fryz, best buy , radio shack |
| 20:42.56 | jazotic | macman: it's no new card, so good luck. gimme lspci |
| 20:43.00 | stoned | I see |
| 20:43.34 | stoned | what about broadcom? |
| 20:43.38 | macman | jazotic, i want to put my card into monitor mode .. i have broadcom .. im using b43-fcutter but of course it needs ndiswrapper .. witch monitor mode isn't supported |
| 20:43.55 | jazotic | b43 legacy or new? |
| 20:44.08 | maligor | from what I hear b43 is ok |
| 20:44.14 | newsense | i use it fine |
| 20:44.18 | maligor | I wouldn't support bcom tho |
| 20:44.27 | stoned | macman, I have broadcom 4603 on debian with 2.6.18 with a patch for injection in monitor mode |
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| 20:44.33 | jazotic | maligor: sign |
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| 20:44.57 | stoned | it works quite well, and I have about 200pps speed of injection |
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| 20:45.12 | stoned | it could be better, but its not bad |
| 20:45.21 | macman | stoned, can i pm ? |
| 20:45.28 | stoned | ask here |
| 20:45.36 | macman | stoned, how did you get it to work ? |
| 20:45.40 | jazotic | it's ok. 21mbps max here, ath5k and madwifi |
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| 20:46.11 | kestutis | which is better: ubuntu or debian? |
| 20:46.12 | stoned | I got a patch for an earlier version of the kernel, I figured out how it was sending out packets while in monitor mode |
| 20:46.15 | macman | goes and gets his laptop |
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| 20:46.25 | newsense | macman, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 20:46.25 | stoned | I just changed a few things for 2.6.18 and recompiled and prayed |
| 20:46.26 | FreakGuard | [ 38.162723] EXT3-fs error (device hda1): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 372765 |
| 20:46.26 | FreakGuard | [ 38.189734] Aborting journal on device hda1. |
| 20:46.30 | newsense | theres instructions there |
| 20:46.31 | jhutchins | Ah. Implemented but commented out in /etc/bash.bashrc. |
| 20:46.32 | stoned | I dunno if it was the praying, but it worked |
| 20:47.03 | macman | stoned, how can i get this done ? |
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| 20:47.11 | macman | newsense, how is that gonna help me ? |
| 20:47.19 | stoned | well I dunno you'd have to patch the driver source for injection |
| 20:47.28 | newsense | thought your trying to get a broadcom chipset wifi cqrd to work |
| 20:47.39 | newsense | oh you want the injection huh |
| 20:47.46 | stoned | find an updated patch somewhere on the internet |
| 20:47.59 | macman | stoned, im a noob and don't know how to patch etc .. |
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| 20:48.11 | stoned | macman, then you shouldn't worry about injection |
| 20:48.11 | macman | newsense, it works with ndiswrapper .. i don't want to use ndiswrapper |
| 20:48.17 | jazotic | injection doesn't do with ath5k right now, but madwifi does out of the box (svn) |
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| 20:48.25 | stoned | just get your wifi to work and call it a night |
| 20:48.27 | newsense | <macman> jazotic, i want to put my card into monitor mode .. i have broadcom .. im using b43-fcutter but of course it needs ndiswrapper .. witch monitor mode isn't supported "what do you mean needs ndiswrapper " ? |
| 20:48.43 | flower | when I start qemu I get: Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such file or directory |
| 20:48.45 | jazotic | newsense: no bcom here. |
| 20:49.06 | macman | stoned, i can learn .. what should i look for on the internet ? |
| 20:49.09 | newsense | was quoting macman |
| 20:49.20 | stoned | macman, device driver programming. |
| 20:49.25 | dutchfish | !kqemu |
| 20:49.25 | dpkg | The QEMU Accelerator Module increases the speed of QEMU when a PC is emulated on a PC. On lenny aptitude install kqemu-common kqemu-modules-$(uname -r), or get the kqemu-source for your CPU if not found |
| 20:49.53 | stoned | these days im trying to interface with a usb light box |
| 20:50.15 | stoned | I'm trying to build a guitar that teaches you how to play and works in linux and cross platform too |
| 20:50.33 | stoned | currently I have so some light sequences come on |
| 20:50.43 | stoned | but the hard part would be to put the lights under the fretboard on the guitar |
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| 20:51.05 | stoned | controlling usb based lightboxes on led is easy, its the woodworking that the hard part |
| 20:51.18 | stoned | you should join freebsd |
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| 20:51.28 | stoned | those dudes in there, brilliant device driver coders |
| 20:51.34 | stoned | you can learn a lot from them too |
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| 20:52.17 | jazotic | stoned: it won't stay in tune, at least not easily |
| 20:52.29 | jazotic | maybe w/ small LEDds |
| 20:52.44 | jazotic | veryverysmall |
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| 20:53.29 | macman | thanks |
| 20:53.30 | flower | I've kqemu-source installed, no module for my kernel/cpu, but still got the message |
| 20:53.37 | macman | sorry .. thanks i think i found a website |
| 20:54.17 | dutchfish | flower, you need to use m-i installer to get a working binary form it for your kernel |
| 20:54.31 | dutchfish | jazotic, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7353 |
| 20:54.49 | flower | dutchfish: ok, how? |
| 20:54.56 | stoned | flower, install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i kqemu (or whatever is the name of the module) |
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| 20:55.28 | jazotic | dutchfish: nice. |
| 20:55.31 | stoned | flower, after you build the module, simply modprobe it (the postinst script should take care of that, but sometimes it doesn't) |
| 20:55.53 | dutchfish | !tell flower about m-a |
| 20:56.00 | stoned | sometimes /msg dpkg m-a |
| 20:56.02 | stoned | oops |
| 20:56.24 | dutchfish | jazotic, yw |
| 20:56.26 | stoned | cool a generic factoid |
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| 20:57.04 | stoned | there was this guy named concept10 |
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| 20:57.21 | Evgen | hey where is autostart in linux? |
| 20:57.25 | stoned | he was also building a music production/signal processor box using emdebian |
| 20:57.47 | dutchfish | stoned, ;) |
| 20:57.48 | stoned | he has so far booted into the busybox with the lcd display |
| 20:58.05 | stoned | !seen concept10 |
| 20:58.05 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'concept10', stoned |
| 20:58.14 | stoned | or whatver his nickname was, concept something |
| 20:58.43 | flower | dutchfish: what is the modprobe command? |
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| 20:58.54 | stoned | flower, man modprobe |
| 20:59.08 | stoned | flower, it allowes you to insert/remove modules on the kernel |
| 20:59.12 | stoned | s/on/from |
| 20:59.12 | dutchfish | flower, man modprobe |
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| 20:59.36 | stoned | there used to be rmmod and insmod for this |
| 20:59.37 | dutchfish | flower, to insert your compiled module into the running kernel |
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| 21:00.29 | flower | ok, modprobe kqemu ? |
| 21:00.32 | dutchfish | flower, after you did the m-a part, just modprobe kqemu |
| 21:00.44 | stoned | flower, do you have me on ignore? |
| 21:00.49 | stoned | I don't eve know |
| 21:00.53 | stoned | I just told you all this... |
| 21:01.07 | flower | thanks guyS it works |
| 21:01.18 | dutchfish | good job |
| 21:01.23 | stoned | I don't know flower |
| 21:01.30 | stoned | weird |
| 21:01.45 | dutchfish | !coffee stoned |
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| 21:01.45 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for stoned, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 21:01.57 | stoned | cool |
| 21:02.08 | Mark17 | hello, is here someone that has the following working? snmpd on server a (subnet: 192.168.1.0/24) and server b wants to read the public part (from subnet: 192.168.3.0/23), however the snmpd only listens on 127.0.0.1:snmp, how can i change it to listen on its public ip? |
| 21:03.02 | dutchfish | Mark17, config snmpd for 192.168.0.0/xx use ipcalc |
| 21:03.11 | stoned | !lmms |
| 21:03.12 | dpkg | lmms is probably Linux Multimedia Studio & Music creation application @ http://lmms.sourceforce.net/ |
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| 21:03.41 | Mark17 | dutchfish: it is correctly configured for as far as i can see, this ips are just to get an idea |
| 21:03.49 | stoned | dpkg forget lmms |
| 21:03.49 | dpkg | i forgot lmms, stoned |
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| 21:04.13 | Mark17 | in reality they start with 89 and 91 so allowing all ips in both ranges is an option, but no ips outside this range |
| 21:04.47 | dutchfish | Mark17, then make it listen on its external ip? |
| 21:05.03 | dutchfish | Mark17, depends on your setup and your needs |
| 21:05.07 | stoned | dpkg lmms is a free cross-platform alternative to commercial programs like FL Studio®, which allow you to produce music with your computer. This includes the creation of melodies and beats, the synthesis and mixing of sounds, and arranging of samples. You can have fun with your MIDI-keyboard and much more. http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:05.07 | dpkg | stoned: i'm not going to learn illegal characters |
| 21:05.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:05.21 | stoned | dpkg lmms is a free cross-platform alternative to commercial programs like FL Studio, which allow you to produce music with your computer. This includes the creation of melodies and beats, the synthesis and mixing of sounds, and arranging of samples. You can have fun with your MIDI-keyboard and much more. http://lmms.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:05.21 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 21:05.26 | stoned | :) |
| 21:05.29 | stoned | sorry, i had copy pasted |
| 21:05.30 | patrikf | :D |
| 21:05.31 | aoliveira | pts |
| 21:05.33 | aoliveira | !pts |
| 21:05.33 | dpkg | pts is probably the Debian "Package Tracking System": http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html a place where you can find the current status and some of the history of a given source package. http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename for information on a specific package |
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| 21:05.40 | aoliveira | !tty |
| 21:05.40 | dpkg | somebody said tty was an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
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| 21:06.44 | stoned | teletype hm, green/black |
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| 21:06.58 | dutchfish | Mark17, and dont use public as its read-phrase ;) |
| 21:07.14 | Mark17 | dutchfish: i just cannot find how to make it listen on the external ip |
| 21:07.25 | dutchfish | Mark17, a sec |
| 21:07.36 | stoned | judd versions iceweasel |
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| 21:07.37 | judd | stoned: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.17-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.18-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.4-1 sid: 3.0.5-1 |
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| 21:08.06 | stoned | dpkg forget ff3 |
| 21:08.06 | dpkg | i forgot ff3, stoned |
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| 21:08.30 | stoned | !firefox 3 etch |
| 21:08.30 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...), or http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html, or http://www.linuxscrew.com/2008/06/21/install-firefox-3-in-debian-etch/ |
| 21:08.50 | stoned | cool. was meaning to clean up the stuff about firefox lately |
| 21:09.51 | dutchfish | Mark17, something like com2sec localNet 192.168.0.0/24 public |
| 21:09.59 | stoned | I wonder if its been backported already? |
| 21:10.25 | frog_ | dusted: thank you!! cinelerra is exactly what i wanted |
| 21:10.59 | stoned | frog_, you have heard about Kino? |
| 21:11.04 | dutchfish | Mark17, look at /etc/default/snmpd |
| 21:11.06 | stoned | !info kino |
| 21:11.24 | stoned | kino in my language kinda means like orange fruit :) |
| 21:11.34 | stoned | its more like kinu but same |
| 21:11.40 | dpkg | kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 1.3.0-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4620 kB, Installed size: 9412 kB |
| 21:11.45 | frog_ | stoned: nope, i have never made things like that before. will have a look as well. thank you |
| 21:11.58 | stoned | kino is good toof or video editing |
| 21:12.07 | stoned | its kinda like microsoft windows movie maker you get with xp |
| 21:12.20 | frog_ | stoned: kino in my language is a cinema |
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| 21:13.04 | stoned | no i don't find backports for firefox3/iceweasel3 on backports.org |
| 21:13.10 | dutchfish | Mark17, use snmpwalk to test it |
| 21:13.13 | hatter | what reason could the root password not work in gnome but odes work in a terminal ? |
| 21:13.32 | stoned | more specifically, what means 'not work' |
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| 21:13.35 | zinx | hatter: maybe gnome is asking for a different password than the program you're using in the terminal. |
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| 21:13.46 | Mark17 | dutchfish: thnx, that was the issue |
| 21:13.51 | stoned | zinx, hi |
| 21:13.52 | dutchfish | Mark17, ;) |
| 21:14.00 | zinx | hatter: su asks for the root password, sudo / etc ask for the user password |
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| 21:14.32 | hatter | its lenny, its the default gnome install, its the root terminal from the applications -> accesories menu |
| 21:14.33 | dutchfish | Mark17, you can even restrict parts of the tree |
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| 21:14.41 | stoned | yes |
| 21:14.47 | stoned | you have to entre root password there |
| 21:14.50 | stoned | not user password |
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| 21:15.03 | stoned | same inside kde konsole > root terminal option |
| 21:15.07 | hatter | i see. its the keymap. |
| 21:15.10 | stoned | it opens a term where yo uneed to put in a root password |
| 21:15.12 | hatter | how do i change the keymap ? |
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| 21:15.38 | stoned | hatter, what do you mean keymap? |
| 21:15.41 | Mark17 | dutchfish: i have a firewall on the system and the snmp port is only available for 2 other servers (it is only accessable from 2 ips) |
| 21:15.48 | hatter | stoned, the keyboard layout |
| 21:15.55 | stoned | hatter, you think your gnome keys are wrong so it doesn't take the password correctly? |
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| 21:16.05 | Mark17 | that is also an easy security layer |
| 21:16.06 | hatter | stoned, i type 'su' and got 'bm' |
| 21:16.09 | stoned | hatter, but your same password works in cli? how did you find out that your keyboard is wrong? |
| 21:16.16 | stoned | hatter, I see |
| 21:16.17 | dutchfish | Mark17, nice |
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| 21:16.43 | hatter | stoned, normal terminal, applications -> accessories -> terminal |
| 21:16.45 | pinPoint | hey |
| 21:16.45 | stoned | hatter, you can switch it via gnome-control-center |
| 21:17.06 | stoned | browser around in there its been years since I used gnome |
| 21:17.07 | dutchfish | Mark17, be aware that versions V3 are the only ones that are encrypted dont use lower version if security is needed |
| 21:17.33 | stoned | should be in some sort of a regional setting |
| 21:17.44 | stoned | or keyboard option |
| 21:17.59 | hatter | it says US-105key |
| 21:18.00 | pinPoint | I just recently got an iphone and jailbroke it... the application I installed were debian files!!! .deb is that possible? |
| 21:18.09 | pinPoint | debian package source |
| 21:18.17 | hatter | which is the normal one isnt it ? |
| 21:18.34 | stoned | sure |
| 21:18.38 | stoned | 104/105 |
| 21:18.40 | stoned | whatever |
| 21:19.14 | hatter | f**k it doesnt change |
| 21:19.25 | hatter | i tried the US 101 layout |
| 21:19.52 | dutchfish | pinPoint, .deb doesnt need to be debian, anyone can create a debian package |
| 21:20.05 | narhen | is it possible to connect to debian via remote dektop BEFORE a user has logged in? |
| 21:20.16 | hatter | anyone else here got gnome on lenny running ? |
| 21:20.17 | stoned | sure |
| 21:20.25 | pinPoint | so what are they? Cydia is the application thats installing them. By a developer called Saurik? |
| 21:20.26 | stoned | narhen, explain more of your setup |
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| 21:20.38 | stoned | narhen, you can have XDMCP exported via system start |
| 21:20.55 | stoned | narhen, and then they just get a login screen and can login, but you can't login before you login ;) |
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| 21:21.12 | dutchfish | pinPoint, no idee, you bebetter of asking that in a apropriate channel, this one is debian only |
| 21:21.35 | stoned | narhen, by remote desktop there are many things. what exactly technology are you wanting? |
| 21:21.55 | AriMartti | narhen: apt-get install openssh-server? |
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| 21:22.10 | \amethyst | "remote desktop" probably means Windows Terminal Services |
| 21:22.24 | stoned | but there is no such thing as an RDP server for linux |
| 21:22.26 | stoned | is there? |
| 21:22.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:22.29 | stoned | only clients |
| 21:22.32 | stoned | there is!? |
| 21:22.38 | abrotman | !info rdp |
| 21:22.46 | \amethyst | !info xrdp |
| 21:22.50 | dpkg | xrdp: (Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.0~dfsg-8 (sid), Packaged size: 197 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 21:22.51 | stoned | rdp is a microsoft thing isn't it |
| 21:22.53 | narhen | stoned: I'm asking for another person. But I'm thinking. If you reboot via remote desktop. Then you will need to sit by the computer you are connecting to physically? And then connect again via remote desktop? |
| 21:23.02 | stoned | oh well i'll be damned |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | among others |
| 21:23.16 | stoned | I thought rdp was prop. microsoft bs |
| 21:23.24 | abrotman | linux has had rdesktop for longer |
| 21:23.33 | stoned | yes rdesktop i know is just a client |
| 21:23.51 | stoned | narhen, i dunno i don't understand you |
| 21:24.02 | dutchfish | !tell stoned about enter |
| 21:24.16 | stoned | why? |
| 21:24.41 | AriMartti | narhen: how about cron and @reboot ? |
| 21:24.50 | stoned | I'm talking to different people, repliying after diff things, can't type all on one line if i have no idea wtf they are saying |
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| 21:25.39 | dutchfish | stoned, if you scroll up you see what i mean, you should know better, ok, dont feel attacked, its just a hint, nothing more |
| 21:25.45 | stoned | so you know what, I got a souvenier for you, its my pocket, let me just fish it out for ya. |
| 21:26.27 | abrotman | stoned: don't do that |
| 21:26.48 | stoned | I haven't yet given him the finger. I held back, he just told me no attack. :) |
| 21:26.58 | stoned | hes cool |
| 21:27.19 | stoned | I just didn't think it was appropriate to repremand me on something that was nothing to do with !enter |
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| 21:29.18 | narhen | For example. You have a server which are running debian and you need to connet to your server remotely. you connect and all is working fine. But it comes to a point where a reboot is required for some reason. You reboot from the remote pc. When the server has rebooted it appears a login screen. can you connect to your server at that point? I'm talking, with GUI |
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| 21:29.28 | dutchfish | stoned, i must admit i sometimes get over-exited and make the same mistake ;) |
| 21:29.29 | narhen | sorry my bad english |
| 21:29.46 | jhutchins | narhen: More than one way to do it. |
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| 21:30.00 | stoned | dutchfish, its alright, you da man :) |
| 21:30.13 | jhutchins | narhen: I just use ssh myself, but you can go so far as to set up the login manger on the server to allow GUI logins from remote sessions. |
| 21:30.18 | dutchfish | stoned, and thanks for helping others out btw! :) |
| 21:30.40 | stoned | I always man hey man no need to thank me |
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| 21:31.00 | narhen | jhutchins: Ok. Thank you. Will check it out. |
| 21:31.02 | narhen | thx |
| 21:31.07 | stoned | I do this for no gratitude or make a name or nothing |
| 21:31.12 | stoned | I just love debian :) |
| 21:31.40 | hatter | stoned, and your name appears in the list of the freenode debian stats :) |
| 21:31.48 | jhutchins | narhen: There are some issues with using X directly for remote access, the other alternative is to set up an rdesktop, rdp or vnc server that starts at boot. |
| 21:31.52 | hatter | http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 21:32.01 | stoned | however, some patriotism does flow within me, and I would like to represent pakistan in Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:32.09 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 21:32.10 | dpkg | methinks debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 21:32.18 | stoned | lots of my friends are debian developers, like I know this one guy from Mexico, he has a debian card |
| 21:32.23 | stoned | with a little flag of mexico on it |
| 21:32.25 | stoned | THAT is what I want |
| 21:32.43 | stoned | my name, debian developer card, represening my country of pakistan |
| 21:32.48 | stoned | one day... |
| 21:32.53 | jhutchins | I don't actually even LIKE Debian so far, but I think it may be the best solution for some applications. |
| 21:34.16 | stoned | man, wow I thought I was the most talkative, lookit enouf go 76k words to my 30k something, AND im in 2nd place |
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| 21:34.21 | stoned | jeez that guy is a robot |
| 21:34.24 | narhen | jhutchins: ok. thx for tips |
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| 21:35.21 | macman | libxerces27 < -- im missing this .. how do i isntall it ? |
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| 21:36.21 | jazotic | narhen: i guess you should check out the terminal server howto over at tldp.org or searchengine. but it may be quite outdated. |
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| 21:36.49 | stoned | I setup a ltsp env. for data recovery for nycomputerdoctor.com |
| 21:36.59 | stoned | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 21:37.13 | stoned | what are your goals? |
| 21:37.17 | jazotic | remote gui login, i guess |
| 21:37.25 | supersoundguy | macman: apt-cache search libxerces will give you a list of possible packages to install for that |
| 21:37.29 | funky | 'lo people |
| 21:37.29 | macman | http://paste.ubuntu.com/99827/ |
| 21:38.08 | stoned | oh NEVER EVER use ubuntu pastebin in debian. It is a pet peeve of mine, in fact make that beyond peeve, make that a psychotic fucking mindless hatred. |
| 21:38.08 | abrotman | macman: go to #ubuntu .. stop asking here |
| 21:38.16 | abrotman | he's using ubuntu .. still |
| 21:38.21 | stoned | yes he is |
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| 21:38.28 | jazotic | :) |
| 21:38.55 | macman | supersoundguy, thanks :P abrotman im glad ubuntu came from debian .. only reason why i came in here |
| 21:38.56 | funky | what's the diff between linux-image and linux-image-etchnhalf ? |
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| 21:39.11 | abrotman | macman: you were told that earlier in the week .. stop playing games |
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| 21:39.21 | stoned | repeat offender. |
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| 21:39.32 | macman | not playing bames abrotman when i don't get hime in ubuntu i come here .. there are no other channels to go to |
| 21:39.36 | jazotic | funky: new hardwaresupport && |
| 21:39.37 | macman | gamesw* |
| 21:39.45 | macman | help* |
| 21:39.49 | stoned | macman, we can understand that |
| 21:39.54 | abrotman | macman: you're going to be permanently banned from this channel if you keep that up |
| 21:39.57 | stoned | macman, but its not our responsibility still |
| 21:40.01 | stoned | abrotman, hang on |
| 21:40.02 | kestutis | is Debian advisable for Linux beginner? |
| 21:40.02 | funky | jazotic: the etchnhalf is older than the other |
| 21:40.21 | jazotic | funky: eeh, it is? version? |
| 21:40.42 | stoned | macman, even though ubuntu uses the packaging system of debian, they don't use our packages, and they have massive amounts of patches on debian unstable snapshots every 6 months, how can we support something we don't work on |
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| 21:40.57 | abrotman | stoned: this has already been explained to him once |
| 21:40.57 | macman | makes sense |
| 21:40.59 | macman | .. thanks |
| 21:41.00 | stoned | macman, its like going to McDonalds and asking for a Whopper |
| 21:41.04 | funky | jazotic: 2.6.24 (etchnhalf) vs 2.6.26 |
| 21:41.06 | macman | abrotman, it wasn't explained like that |
| 21:41.13 | stoned | macman, thats why I tried |
| 21:41.14 | abrotman | yes it was .. i was here |
| 21:41.14 | dutchfish | kestutis, depends on how determined you are, in fact if you have no exotic hardware that is too new, then debianmight just be the right chocie /msg dpkg about whydebian |
| 21:41.14 | stoned | now you know |
| 21:41.25 | jazotic | funky: AFAIK etch still is .18 |
| 21:41.28 | macman | thanks anyway all.. i will stop asking .. if i get tired of ubuntu i will install debian and come here for help .. thanks |
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| 21:41.35 | stoned | macman, seriously |
| 21:41.39 | stoned | just consdier this for a moment |
| 21:41.45 | funky | ii linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf 2.6.24+13~etchnhalf.1 Linux 2.6-etchnhalf image on AMD64 |
| 21:41.55 | stoned | if the ubuntu community can't help you, just think the quality of that distro. |
| 21:42.12 | stoned | I would advise that you install Debian, get your hands dirty a bit |
| 21:42.15 | kestutis | dutchfish: now I am using ubuntu. is debian very different? |
| 21:42.33 | stoned | you will find that #debian is very supportive and helpful, given that you are willing to try and learn |
| 21:42.34 | jazotic | doublecheck, i don't have etch nomore around |
| 21:42.45 | stoned | !tell macman -about d-i |
| 21:42.49 | stoned | !tell macman -about ig |
| 21:42.51 | dutchfish | kestutis, at first glance, no, it uses a similar installer, but, quality of code is something else |
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| 21:43.32 | stoned | macman, if you get banned due to asking ubuntu stuff in here, don't say you weren't explicity warned multiple times. The responsibility will be yours. We're through here. |
| 21:43.34 | kestutis | what is the different between Unix and Linux? or it's the same? |
| 21:43.52 | dutchfish | kestutis, they simply are too progressive too my likings, i want stability and security first then features |
| 21:43.56 | jazotic | kestutis: check wikipedia |
| 21:44.07 | kestutis | jazotic: Okay. |
| 21:44.10 | stoned | kestutis, go to wikipedia, open two tabs, open linux, and open unix, and read em both |
| 21:44.28 | stoned | kestutis, google for 'how is linux different from unix' etc. etc. |
| 21:44.31 | macman | stoned, abrotman .. thanks i won't ask anymore .. i will just idle here in case i do install debian |
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| 21:44.38 | boulbul | hi, I have just installed debian lenny on the system, using debian-installer...I have the system already running now,...if I wanted to use the interface of debian installer again, what would be the command line to run the same program again to continue installing other features like the print server? |
| 21:44.40 | boulbul | thanks |
| 21:44.48 | efullert | anyone know a good WYSIWYG html edit for debian?? |
| 21:44.57 | stoned | efullert, one comes with mozilla |
| 21:44.59 | abrotman | there's one in iceape |
| 21:45.01 | jazotic | efullert: vim ;) |
| 21:45.02 | stoned | mozilla-composer |
| 21:45.06 | stoned | oh yeh i forgot |
| 21:45.07 | kestutis | anyways, anyone knows why the most people choose using Windows? |
| 21:45.24 | efullert | never used vim, is it simple? |
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| 21:45.30 | stoned | they are all free alternatives in debian now like iceape-composer, there is also a standalone kompozer |
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| 21:45.38 | jazotic | kestutis: they are 1d10ds |
| 21:45.40 | stoned | doesn't depend on XUL or mozilla it is gtk2 based |
| 21:45.56 | alturiak | kestutis: most people don't know they have a choice at all :-) |
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| 21:45.56 | stoned | also you have NVU but i dunno if its still in debian or not. |
| 21:46.14 | stoned | judd versions nvu |
| 21:46.15 | judd | stoned: nvu -- |
| 21:46.19 | Hulkhogan | I gave my computer the hogan legdrop because i installed debian on it and it delete windows which was an accedient |
| 21:46.21 | supersoundguy | wasn't nvu discontinued? |
| 21:46.23 | abrotman | nvu is dead |
| 21:46.25 | stoned | yeh loosk like it |
| 21:46.29 | Hulkhogan | !nvu |
| 21:46.30 | dpkg | from memory, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
| 21:46.34 | jazotic | the ub*ntu NVU works in most cases |
| 21:46.38 | dutchfish | kestutis, well, this is an offtopic q anyway |
| 21:46.42 | stoned | wysiwyg is gay anyway |
| 21:46.46 | stoned | and I don't mean happy ;) |
| 21:46.50 | jazotic | stoned: true |
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| 21:47.12 | Hulkhogan | !nvu |
| 21:47.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
| 21:47.15 | craigevil-eee | theres Seamonkeys composer, OOo webwriter, kompozer |
| 21:47.16 | abrotman | !tell stoned about gay |
| 21:47.26 | stoned | lol seriously |
| 21:47.27 | efullert | just wanted to learn to create a web page for my business |
| 21:47.36 | efullert | new to the whole html thing |
| 21:47.39 | stoned | efullert, I can do this for you |
| 21:47.47 | stoned | efullert, please visit www.frostedweb.com and come to #frostedweb |
| 21:47.49 | Hulkhogan | !gay |
| 21:47.49 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 21:47.49 | stoned | :) |
| 21:47.53 | abrotman | efullert: try #web .. ask around for support |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | Hulkhogan: msg the bot please |
| 21:47.56 | kestutis | alturiak: i agree with you. the most of the poeple asks for me "Can you re-install my Windows?" they don't even know that it is called operating system. they just know that the computer wants Windows to be working. |
| 21:48.02 | jazotic | efullert: go with nvu it's kinda easy |
| 21:48.04 | CoolCold | does anybody know analog of freebsd's camcontrol in linux? |
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| 21:48.12 | abrotman | efullert: but using a wysiwyg editor isn't an awful way to start |
| 21:48.17 | abrotman | jazotic: it's dead upstream |
| 21:48.30 | jazotic | abrotman: but still works |
| 21:48.33 | GoldElite | Does anyone know of an application to capture [non-standard] keycodes? I was running one the other week but can't remember what it was called. Google's being no help, either |
| 21:48.35 | stoned | the basic mozilla composer should do you just fine for static content |
| 21:48.48 | stoned | GoldElite, for a multimedia keyboarD? |
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| 21:48.55 | jazotic | abrotman: and i don't know an better one. is composer alive? |
| 21:48.55 | stoned | GoldElite, something along those lines? |
| 21:48.59 | abrotman | GoldElite: lineakd |
| 21:49.02 | GoldElite | Kinda, it's a G15 |
| 21:49.08 | efullert | thanks guys |
| 21:49.08 | abrotman | jazotic: apparently .. |
| 21:49.08 | jazotic | abrotman: ok |
| 21:49.30 | stoned | what are you talking about non standard keycodes? |
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| 21:49.39 | BiTTraffic | Need Hosting? www.BitTraffic.com has all you hosting needs. Everything you could possibly want. Tell your friends. Come visit us at irc.BitTraffic.com. We have 2x-3x what all other providers have, at a lower price! irc.BitTraffic.com <--- GO! |
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| 21:49.49 | stoned | seriously |
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| 21:50.05 | GoldElite | stoned: I'm trying to get GIMP to see the extra-function keys on my Logitek G15, but am having trouble |
| 21:50.19 | stoned | GoldElite, have you tried keytouch? |
| 21:50.33 | stoned | it is for multimedia/internet/keyboards with extra keys |
| 21:51.15 | stoned | (if i think thats what you want) |
| 21:51.38 | GoldElite | stoned: Hmmm, my keyboard's not in there. I'm pretty sure it's just a 3/4 letter application, it just reads codes as they come in |
| 21:51.43 | simonrvn | the computer doesn't want windows ;) |
| 21:51.43 | simonrvn | damned build is lagging me ... |
| 21:51.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:51.43 | simonrvn | spammers suck |
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| 21:51.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:51.56 | dutchfish | wow |
| 21:51.56 | abrotman | !info lineakd etch |
| 21:51.58 | GoldElite | stoned: It's just so I've got something to tell the GIMP guys when I go complain to them:P |
| 21:51.59 | Suprano | my kernel doesn't boot anymore if i switch my RAM tact from 667 mhz to 800 mhz. windows systems still work |
| 21:52.04 | Suprano | any idea? |
| 21:52.13 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 452 kB |
| 21:52.24 | zinx | Suprano: what does memtest86+ say? |
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| 21:52.28 | stoned | either program will work |
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| 21:52.39 | simonrvn | *SIGH* |
| 21:52.42 | stoned | if you keyboard isnt listed, customize it, and send the keyboard file upstream |
| 21:52.51 | Suprano | zinx, checking.. rebooting.. hold on |
| 21:53.05 | stoned | simonrvn, how you doin man |
| 21:53.08 | GoldElite | Also; I think the G15's extra keys are registered as another keyboard sort of thing. I had to recompile the kernel with uinput support to stop them being seen as F-keys |
| 21:53.39 | NinjaMan | running gnome 2.22 out of debian testing - gedit segfaulting on start-up - is there anyone experiencing this problem? |
| 21:53.49 | stoned | NinjaMan, BTS |
| 21:54.07 | NinjaMan | stoned - it's a recognised problem? |
| 21:54.16 | stoned | perhaps you should find out? |
| 21:54.19 | kestutis | simonrvn: but most people think that computer wants it. |
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| 21:54.55 | NinjaMan | stoned: well I googled the problem and several BTS entries came up - but none applied - I will check it directly |
| 21:55.19 | stoned | yes go to it directly, bugs.debian.org/pacakgname |
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| 21:57.52 | NinjaMan | stoned: ok nothing appears appropriate |
| 21:58.01 | stoned | I don't use gedit. |
| 21:58.10 | NinjaMan | ok |
| 21:58.12 | stoned | prefers kate |
| 21:58.20 | stoned | kate4 now |
| 21:58.27 | supersoundguy | NinjaMan strace is a wonderful utility to see what is going on |
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| 21:58.53 | stoned | looks like tonight NinjaMan will file a bug ;) |
| 21:59.35 | supersoundguy | lol stoned: you use kde4? |
| 21:59.44 | stoned | nope |
| 21:59.54 | stoned | just kate4, I love nested block hilihts |
| 21:59.57 | stoned | hilights* |
| 22:00.07 | stoned | its pretty shittin emacs, but good in kate4 |
| 22:00.16 | stoned | shitty in* |
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| 22:00.59 | stoned | next is color coded nested blocks, if blocks are like pink, class blocks are diff color, methods are different yet |
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| 22:01.07 | stoned | it makes it easy to read code you know |
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| 22:01.42 | stoned | you can easily spot methods, functions, class blcoks, if blocks, loops, iterations |
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| 22:01.55 | stoned | its a great great functionality to have in any source editor |
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| 22:02.06 | supersoundguy | yeah! i might have to check that out, i haven't used kate in forever |
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| 22:02.19 | stoned | well kate only does 1 color on 1 block |
| 22:02.28 | stoned | emacs I've gotten to do multiple colors for multiple blocks |
| 22:02.31 | stoned | but its still iffy/broken |
| 22:02.58 | stoned | I might have to play with kate4 source to see whats up shouldn't be too hard to implement |
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| 22:03.16 | stoned | just need to filter for various block levels |
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| 22:04.54 | MikeH | Hi guys, I built my own kernel package a while back, with some changes I wanted, now dist-upgrade is trying to install new linux-image and linux-header packages, I've tried pinning with Package: linux-* Pin: version * Pin-Priority: -1 in /etc/apt/preferences, to no avail |
| 22:05.01 | MikeH | I'm running Etch, any ideas? |
| 22:05.10 | stoned | MikeH, hold it? |
| 22:05.15 | stoned | !tell MikeH -about hold |
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| 22:05.40 | DJCiP | so... i was doing an install of debian from my thumbdrive using UNetbootin - but the installer keeps installing grub on to my thumb drive instead of my hard drive - how do install grub now? i'm currently on the windows side of my computer - and when i reboot into the linux side i won't have internet for the installer - so is there away to install grub on to my machine off of my thumbdrive ? |
| 22:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | -1? I thought 1000 is the highest... |
| 22:05.46 | badcrc | i've got a problem with exim hanging when i boot my laptop. i believe it's looking for a network connection that isn't up yet. since i don't use any feature of exim except for local delivery is there a good substitute that doesn't have this behavior? |
| 22:06.06 | stoned | man apt_preferences |
| 22:06.10 | MikeH | stoned: thanks stoned. |
| 22:06.47 | stoned | unetbootin? |
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| 22:07.16 | gewt | !iceweasel |
| 22:07.16 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
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| 22:07.47 | Theoden | http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=95480&file1=95480-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Think+of+the+penguins+1280x800 |
| 22:07.48 | gewt | !why iceweasel |
| 22:07.48 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 22:08.10 | stoned | that method is not supported here to boot the installer. I can only suggest that you get ext2/3 windows driver, mount your volume, download the pcakage files you would need there, or download them to your ntfs and just read only ntfs form debian and install packages |
| 22:08.20 | abrotman | !tell gewt about msg the bot |
| 22:08.20 | jazotic | badcrc: dpkg-reconfigure exim-config |
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| 22:09.08 | NTFS | !sid |
| 22:09.09 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 22:09.15 | NTFS | how do i message the bot |
| 22:09.19 | stoned | NTFS, /msg dpkg |
| 22:09.23 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 22:09.23 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 22:09.29 | stoned | ** READ THIS** |
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| 22:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | this? |
| 22:10.08 | stoned | !smack CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:10.09 | dpkg | smacks CutMeOwnThroat upside the head. |
| 22:10.13 | stoned | yeh, that. |
| 22:10.14 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:10.29 | gewt | i forget where you could get the database dump -_- |
| 22:10.44 | stoned | !tell gewt -about dpkg.web.search |
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| 22:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not what he meant, tho |
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| 22:11.57 | stoned | dump out an sql db? |
| 22:12.06 | gewt | the sql dump from the bot |
| 22:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, there's backup dumps |
| 22:12.21 | stoned | check with #debian-bots |
| 22:12.28 | stoned | read the topic in there |
| 22:14.07 | gewt | !fish |
| 22:14.07 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 22:14.12 | gewt | o_O |
| 22:14.18 | stoned | seriuosly we need to modify this factoid |
| 22:14.22 | stoned | it irks me everytime |
| 22:14.51 | abrotman | gewt: MSG THE BOT |
| 22:15.03 | abrotman | stoned: leave it alone |
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| 22:15.36 | stoned | i wasn't gonna do nothin anyway |
| 22:15.43 | clodde | I'm planning to install Lenny with lvm enabled, will i be able to boot and mount partitions with the Lenny dvd if i ever need to in the future? Will the dvd recognize the lvm partitions? Seems to me plain partitioning is easier to manage if something goes wrong |
| 22:16.25 | stoned | http://stoned.pastebin.com/d76c44814 <- something about fish |
| 22:16.48 | AriMartti | just soppelisti tilaa tällä 1920x1200 -resolla :) |
| 22:16.57 | AriMartti | sorry, wrong window |
| 22:17.00 | stoned | italian? |
| 22:17.09 | AriMartti | stoned: finnish :) |
| 22:17.12 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | that's just dumb |
| 22:17.21 | stoned | I dunno languaes! |
| 22:17.23 | stoned | leave me alone |
| 22:17.37 | stoned | abrotman, its funny |
| 22:17.42 | AriMartti | I still comment my brand new lenny installation look: http://arimartti.kapsi.fi/Screenshot.png |
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| 22:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have recognized it from the excessive amount of umlauts |
| 22:18.30 | stoned | wow your irssi windows will give me cancer in brain for sure! |
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| 22:19.22 | stoned | loves colors |
| 22:19.33 | AriMartti | they said on #somewhere that that's so heretic look-a-like :) |
| 22:19.52 | jazotic | stones paint it black |
| 22:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find "autmatically fix computer errors - clean up your pc and get it working again" pretty funny |
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| 22:20.46 | gewt | CutMeOwnThroat, o_O |
| 22:20.51 | dutchfish | is it posible to use pbluilder to build an out-of-tree package for a diferent ARCH yes/no? |
| 22:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jazotic, ha, yeah, I also like colors, as long as they're black... gray when I feel cheery |
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| 22:21.14 | stoned | letme show you my irssi again big time |
| 22:21.20 | jazotic | CutMeOwnThroat: well said. |
| 22:21.21 | AriMartti | what do you think about my metacity-theme "No-Title 1.0" ? ( http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/No-Title?content=93438 ) |
| 22:21.33 | stoned | you see 20 minutes of irc session and look how clean it is, no headaches at all |
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| 22:22.10 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/tmp/irssi.jpg <- |
| 22:22.11 | jazotic | stoned: depends on you client - it's ugly in pidgin |
| 22:22.16 | stoned | look |
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| 22:22.46 | jazotic | aarghh. highres |
| 22:22.48 | AriMartti | so long lines... :( |
| 22:22.50 | Suprano | zinx, i can't really tell the result. the memtest crashes for other reasons at the address range test |
| 22:23.08 | stoned | well i just maximized the window for the screenshot |
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| 22:23.35 | zinx | Suprano: the result: Your hardware is bad. |
| 22:23.38 | Suprano | it tries to test memory 4096 to 6144 but only memory up to 5000 is 'useable' (thats what the bios said) |
| 22:23.42 | jazotic | stoned: don't worry, ... |
| 22:23.43 | zinx | Suprano: possibly due to you overclocking it. |
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| 22:23.52 | Suprano | i haven't overclocked anything |
| 22:23.59 | zinx | Suprano: then it's just bad :) |
| 22:24.00 | badcrc | jazotic: thanks. package name is exim4-config but i set it to local delivery only (it was the default option). i'll see how it works |
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| 22:25.32 | jazotic | badcrc: should do now. |
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| 22:26.50 | Suprano | zinx, i suspect that a simple bios update would fix the address range problem and makes the last 1gb mem available |
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| 22:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but does linux care for what the bios says about the memory? |
| 22:27.41 | Suprano | it does. i only have 5gb |
| 22:28.15 | Suprano | lets say it in dmesg's words: |
| 22:28.16 | jazotic | if yur e820 is ok, yes. |
| 22:28.17 | Suprano | Memory: 5070656k/6291456k available (2464k kernel code, 170064k reserved, 926k data, 276k init) |
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| 22:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | "only 5GB" |
| 22:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sniff* |
| 22:29.29 | Suprano | hmm i really wonder it reservse 170064k |
| 22:29.41 | jazotic | mapping high mem |
| 22:29.52 | Suprano | hm wait, that is only 166 mb |
| 22:30.25 | Suprano | the last few 1gb isn't even mentioned |
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| 22:30.36 | Suprano | jazotic, i've read about that, but it was always the case for things >4gb when this was needed |
| 22:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | thinks of how computers used to have 640Kb |
| 22:30.45 | Suprano | additionally, i have a 64bit os |
| 22:31.23 | jazotic | Suprano: well, don't ask me, never had/needed a box above 1gb $SEARCHENGINE may know. |
| 22:31.44 | Suprano | well i just quoted $SEARCHENGINE |
| 22:32.40 | jazotic | people at LKML will know, but rather don't bother them. |
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| 22:32.48 | Suprano | i don't think that is a linux problem |
| 22:33.03 | Suprano | at least the 5 of 6 gb one |
| 22:33.04 | jazotic | as your dmesg show's it... |
| 22:33.11 | roe_ | what package provides rndc? |
| 22:33.26 | Suprano | jazotic, well even the bios says this, i guess dmesg just tells me what the bios tells it |
| 22:33.49 | stoned | roe_, ew |
| 22:33.51 | jazotic | Suprano: nope. |
| 22:33.54 | stoned | oops |
| 22:34.03 | roe_ | wrong nick? |
| 22:34.07 | stoned | sorry wrong hcannel too |
| 22:34.14 | roe_ | ha, not even close |
| 22:34.26 | Suprano | i still think it is not linux related if the bios says at boot that 5gb is usable of 6gb installed |
| 22:34.39 | kestutis | how to kill firefox process? |
| 22:34.45 | stoned | kestutis, pkill firefox? |
| 22:34.57 | stoned | iceweasel also uses firefox-bin |
| 22:35.07 | simonrvn | !tell roe_ -about search |
| 22:35.07 | jazotic | Suprano: your dmesg says: 5070656k/6291456k available |
| 22:36.52 | roe_ | simonrvn, apt-cache search rndc returns nothing interesting |
| 22:36.52 | Suprano | jazotic, yes as the bios does too |
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| 22:36.52 | jazotic | means? it does see all. |
| 22:36.53 | jazotic | but only uses 5070656k k? |
| 22:36.53 | kestutis | stoned: yes, it works |
| 22:36.53 | simonrvn | roe_: p.d.o; the bot; there's more to the factoid... |
| 22:36.53 | Suprano | jazotic, well if the os-independent bios says this, why should the os be related to this? |
| 22:36.54 | stoned | a lot more |
| 22:36.54 | Suprano | oh, i understood you wrong, yes, it means that. but no idea why yet |
| 22:36.55 | jazotic | Suprano: i don't get your point. |
| 22:37.00 | jazotic | ok |
| 22:37.39 | kestutis | i've installed Java, but i can't see java pages on firefox |
| 22:37.47 | kestutis | i did restart Firefox |
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| 22:38.24 | stoned | kestutis, you need plugin |
| 22:38.34 | kestutis | how to get it? |
| 22:38.37 | stoned | sun-java[5/6]-plugin/jre/bin |
| 22:38.45 | stoned | 3 packages |
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| 22:39.02 | stoned | then restart firefox/iceweasel |
| 22:39.38 | stoned | what the hell am I saying, just aptitude install sun-java6-plugin |
| 22:39.45 | dutchfish | roe_, aptitude show libisccc40 and aptitude show libisccfg40, i believe rndc is no more in bind9 (i can be wrong) |
| 22:39.48 | stoned | the rest will be isnalled by aptitude (sorry i wasn't thinking) |
| 22:40.35 | stoned | hm |
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| 22:41.46 | stoned | kestutis, you need to enable non-free contrib for that btw. |
| 22:41.52 | stoned | !tell kestutis -about non-free |
| 22:42.05 | JyZyXEL | how crappy is adobes linux implementation |
| 22:42.12 | JyZyXEL | it sucks so much juice |
| 22:42.38 | stoned | what has that to do with debian? |
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| 22:43.03 | JyZyXEL | its running on debian :-D |
| 22:43.15 | stoned | use gnash or don't use flash |
| 22:43.28 | stoned | gnash + xpdf |
| 22:43.28 | The_PHP_Jedi | Flash on Linux has worked great for me, imo |
| 22:43.48 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, 64bit? |
| 22:43.56 | stoned | you can use ajax/php/svg for interactivity like flash to some degree |
| 22:44.14 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish no the x86 |
| 22:44.42 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, mmm... dont know about that |
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| 22:46.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, on 64 bit it is blazingly fast |
| 22:46.20 | JyZyXEL | a 2.5 GHz Pentium 4 from 2002 is waay too slow |
| 22:46.29 | jazotic | interdimensionaly parked in morphogenetic fields. |
| 22:46.32 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, nah |
| 22:46.39 | stoned | I can do pi to 1 M digits in 9.3xx seconds on my core 2 |
| 22:46.42 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:46.57 | JyZyXEL | oh i wanna test too |
| 22:46.58 | stoned | in debian amd64, in 32bit it is slightly slower |
| 22:47.00 | jelly-home | mmm, pie. |
| 22:47.12 | JyZyXEL | stoned giev meh the name |
| 22:47.15 | stoned | like 11s i think not much |
| 22:47.18 | JyZyXEL | of this piece of software |
| 22:47.19 | dutchfish | !flash64beta |
| 22:47.20 | dpkg | To use the beta flash non-free player without running into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it. |
| 22:47.27 | stoned | simple pi mod |
| 22:47.44 | stoned | sorry, super pi mod |
| 22:48.19 | JyZyXEL | bogomips : 5122.89 |
| 22:48.57 | stoned | http://www.di.uminho.pt/~apa/directorias/public/download/performance/super_pi.tar.gz |
| 22:49.17 | JyZyXEL | its not in apt-get? |
| 22:49.23 | stoned | 20 means 20 bit number, which equals 1million digits |
| 22:49.34 | dutchfish | i just use hwinfo ... mmm.. |
| 22:49.39 | stoned | download, unpack, unter directory, chmod x super_pi, ./super_pi 20 |
| 22:49.49 | stoned | s/unter/enter |
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| 22:50.06 | stoned | 21 is a 21 bit number about 2M digits |
| 22:50.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was the unix program called to make screenshots... comes as two programs, one to make the screenshot in some weird format, one to view it |
| 22:50.30 | stoned | 25 is 32M digits (for extremely superloading) |
| 22:50.39 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: xwd is ancient, use something modern |
| 22:50.40 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, scrot |
| 22:50.46 | stoned | !info scrot |
| 22:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, yes, xwd! |
| 22:50.50 | dpkg | scrot: (command line screen capture utility), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8-8 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 22:50.52 | stoned | no not xwd |
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| 22:50.56 | stoned | fuck xwd |
| 22:51.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks... name was on the tips of my fingers :) |
| 22:51.14 | stoned | word |
| 22:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, damn, but that doesn't help ... I was really trying to find out if the graphical login is shown on the monitor or some text console |
| 22:52.47 | stoned | actually if you want you can code a simple multithreaded pi calculator |
| 22:52.56 | stoned | super pi mod is single threaded |
| 22:52.59 | zinx | multithreaded pi |
| 22:53.01 | zinx | hahhahahahaha |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: use import ? |
| 22:53.05 | stoned | zinx, hehe |
| 22:53.06 | stoned | :) |
| 22:53.11 | solid_liq | stoned: isn't that hard to break up into threads? |
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| 22:53.19 | stoned | yeh but its multithreaded |
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| 22:53.20 | zinx | stoned: have at it, dude! i'm sure someone would pay a lot of money for that. |
| 22:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | import? |
| 22:53.22 | stoned | lol |
| 22:53.29 | solid_liq | stoned: what is? |
| 22:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also still a sarge system... so I'm doubtful I can install stuff |
| 22:53.43 | stoned | zinx, which is why I said, you can code it if YOU want |
| 22:53.44 | stoned | lol |
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| 22:54.57 | zinx | stoned: there's an algorithm to calculate an arbitrary [base 16] digit of pi faster than calculating everything before it, but i am pretty sure doing a single threaded calculation would still be faster than trying to calculate pi multithreaded using that |
| 22:55.20 | dutchfish | will pbuilder be updated before lenny release, apperently i am running into some of its bugs wich already have a patch waiting http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pbuilder.html |
| 22:55.24 | mavhc | wasn't it base 13? |
| 22:55.26 | LiENUS | zinx, not for my beowulf cluster! |
| 22:55.31 | stoned | zinx, oh my point was only to stress the cpu |
| 22:55.36 | stoned | zinx, not to speed calc |
| 22:55.53 | Schiz0|SD | dutchfish: lenny has been frozen for a while now, it's only getting bugfixes afaik |
| 22:55.56 | mavhc | many pi calculations can be easily multithreaded |
| 22:56.02 | zinx | mavhc: 16 i'd think.. or some other power of 2 |
| 22:56.15 | dutchfish | Schiz0|SD, yes, but if it is fixed upstream what then? |
| 22:56.17 | zinx | mavhc: without significant synchronization overhead? |
| 22:56.24 | stoned | its not easy man |
| 22:56.33 | zinx | stoned: oh |
| 22:56.39 | zinx | stoned: just run two of them :P |
| 22:56.42 | stoned | lol |
| 22:56.42 | Schiz0|SD | dutchfish: Then it goes into sid? And when lenny is officially released, it goes int othe next 'testing' brach |
| 22:56.43 | mavhc | zinx: the simple ones are just add many independent terms together |
| 22:56.52 | stoned | well yeh, doh! why didn't i think of that! |
| 22:57.07 | stoned | no but really though, it would be interesting just to fuck with it |
| 22:57.10 | dutchfish | Schiz0|SD, so the bugs stay if they are not release critical but grave? |
| 22:57.13 | stoned | stimulate the mind |
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| 22:57.37 | stoned | dutchfish, are you familiar with the bug severity levels? |
| 22:57.49 | dutchfish | stoned, somewhat i hope |
| 22:57.56 | stoned | very nice article on debian docs if you care to read, I'm too lazy to hunt my bookmarks |
| 22:58.02 | stoned | spread over 4 machines :/ |
| 22:58.03 | pickcoder | stoned: consider flying a model heli if you want to stimulate the mind |
| 22:58.20 | pickcoder | preferbly during a 20knot wind |
| 22:58.24 | stoned | lol |
| 22:58.33 | dutchfish | Schiz0|SD, stoned ok, thanks ill port it myself then |
| 22:58.55 | pickcoder | can't even hover yet |
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| 22:59.01 | pickcoder | :P |
| 22:59.09 | stoned | hi |
| 22:59.27 | stoned | wishing you and your family a great belated holiday season |
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| 22:59.29 | stoned | :) |
| 22:59.49 | pickcoder | stoned: thanks. you too |
| 22:59.52 | stoned | I got a stupid little helicopter toy I can fly it |
| 23:00.01 | pickcoder | how was jan 1st? |
| 23:00.07 | stoned | eh so so |
| 23:00.11 | stoned | cold |
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| 23:00.44 | pickcoder | stoned: I have a coaxial "Mosquito" too and I've crashed my new AXE CP twice already |
| 23:00.54 | pickcoder | wonder if there's a sim for Debian |
| 23:00.57 | stoned | I went 8 months without weed in 2008 |
| 23:01.00 | stoned | my new goal |
| 23:01.04 | stoned | entire 2009 without weed |
| 23:01.07 | stoned | wish me luck man |
| 23:01.18 | mavhc | first step, change your nick |
| 23:01.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:01.25 | dutchfish | :) |
| 23:01.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:01.29 | pickcoder | it's a trigger |
| 23:02.00 | mavhc | how are those palm sized helicopters? |
| 23:02.12 | pickcoder | they're fun in the office |
| 23:02.14 | pickcoder | that's about it |
| 23:02.22 | pickcoder | a fan can send them spiraling out |
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| 23:02.31 | stoned | lol |
| 23:02.42 | stoned | that office line actually made me laugh |
| 23:02.49 | mavhc | it was base 16, but: In 1997, Fabrice Bellard improved Plouffe's formula for digit-extraction in an arbitrary base to reduce the runtime to O(n2) |
| 23:03.13 | pickcoder | I'll have to try FMS under wine |
| 23:03.31 | pickcoder | if the USB trainer cable I bought will work under Linux |
| 23:03.45 | H2S04 | FMS? |
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| 23:04.00 | pickcoder | flying model simulator |
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| 23:04.39 | pickcoder | it supports the sim cables that hook into the trainer jacks on R/C radios |
| 23:04.39 | H2S04 | pickcoder, cute. |
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| 23:08.25 | mavhc | did you see that software that watched someone fly a real model helicopter flown by an expert do all the crazy stunts, and then was able to fly it itself? |
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| 23:09.03 | pickcoder | hm.. nope |
| 23:09.06 | stoned | a software that watched some fly something? |
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| 23:09.14 | pickcoder | was it a commercial package that had a learning function? |
| 23:09.18 | stoned | you mean a video recording software? |
| 23:09.27 | pickcoder | realflight2 is the biggest sim on the market |
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| 23:09.40 | stoned | how long was I gone?I i know I lagged for 300s and restarted irc |
| 23:09.55 | stoned | what are you talking about? |
| 23:09.59 | pickcoder | stoned: 3mins |
| 23:10.03 | stoned | flight simulator? |
| 23:10.19 | stoned | pickcoder, thanks |
| 23:10.37 | stoned | 300s is 5 min, I guess my irc just reconnected sooner than that... weird |
| 23:10.51 | pickcoder | mavhc: all I can say is that is a well honed/trimmed heli if the computer could do it too |
| 23:10.59 | pickcoder | and it was probably inside |
| 23:11.29 | stoned | we used linux systems to contruct/calculate our speaker boxes in 6th grade |
| 23:11.46 | stoned | in science and construction technology class |
| 23:11.55 | pickcoder | ported or sealed |
| 23:12.06 | newsense | stoned, you went to a private school huh |
| 23:12.08 | stoned | what do you mean? I dunno what means |
| 23:12.12 | newsense | we had no suck thing |
| 23:12.24 | stoned | no actually I went to one of the BEST jr. high schols in the country |
| 23:12.33 | newsense | sounds like it :) |
| 23:12.34 | stoned | believe it or not, public school |
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| 23:12.52 | stoned | Jefferson Jr. High school in Columbia, Missouri |
| 23:12.55 | stoned | shrugs |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:13.09 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | again ... |
| 23:13.32 | newsense | :) |
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| 23:14.05 | newsense | stoned is just a conversational person |
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| 23:14.20 | stoned | here we go again |
| 23:14.25 | stoned | WHAT THE FUCK! |
| 23:14.35 | stoned | what was my quit message? |
| 23:14.43 | abrotman | reset .. like you do 10 times a day |
| 23:14.44 | pickcoder | 104 |
| 23:15.05 | jelly-home | the peers don't like you |
| 23:15.13 | d0lphin_n0el | stoned stoned has quit (im *** and like mans) |
| 23:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "who is peer and why did he reset my connection" |
| 23:15.29 | stoned | man, boy oh boy this irritates m to no end, I get so many lags and disconnects all day |
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| 23:15.39 | stoned | doesn't happen on any other network, dalnet, efnet, undernet, yeh sure rarely |
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| 23:15.45 | stoned | freenode is the most unstable for me |
| 23:15.49 | abrotman | maybe you just shouldn't use freenode .. |
| 23:16.00 | pickcoder | change your server |
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| 23:16.13 | pickcoder | I have the same problem from some of the other servers |
| 23:16.21 | d0lphin_n0el | stoned i'm joking [] :) is that badlle unstalbe to the sers since the parte from the users pcs to |
| 23:16.24 | stoned | I tried a few but not all of them |
| 23:16.26 | d0lphin_n0el | :) |
| 23:16.29 | pickcoder | I'm on grisham right now |
| 23:16.44 | stoned | d0lphin_n0el, that makes no sense to me whatsoever :) |
| 23:16.57 | d0lphin_n0el | stoned lol :) |
| 23:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you're not stoned enough... |
| 23:17.10 | abrotman | stoned: do not msg me |
| 23:17.22 | stoned | I will if i have the need to. |
| 23:17.32 | abrotman | stoned: there was no need .. it was obviously a joke |
| 23:17.38 | stoned | I have no sense of humor. |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | not my problem |
| 23:18.30 | stoned | Also, you could have simply kept this in msg, no need to bring it in here. |
| 23:18.46 | abrotman | because you don't have a sense of humor .. you get to msg me .. right .. |
| 23:18.55 | stoned | you really think that? |
| 23:18.58 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 23:19.01 | jelly-home | abrotman likes to be offtopic, too |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | i didn't start it |
| 23:19.15 | stoned | what are we, 5? |
| 23:19.16 | stoned | stop it. |
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| 23:19.26 | abrotman | says the kid that can't stay on topic |
| 23:19.32 | stoned | stop. |
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| 23:20.14 | jelly-home | hammertime |
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| 23:20.59 | mavhc | it was research software, had inputs from the controller, sensors on the helicopter, and video cameras on the ground, took 30 mins to learn to fly like a pro |
| 23:21.13 | pickcoder | oh |
| 23:21.13 | stoned | mavhc, #debian-offtopic or #debian-chat |
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| 23:22.15 | pickcoder | the topic police are making arrests |
| 23:22.37 | stoned | routine check mate ;) |
| 23:22.40 | stoned | lol |
| 23:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, keep your hands on the steering wheel! |
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| 23:24.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | . o O ( http://www.depechemode.se/E/enjoythe.htm ) |
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| 23:25.19 | micols | how do i find all files except find mydir -iname backup -type d -depth 1 ? |
| 23:25.19 | abrotman | stoned: do not msg me |
| 23:25.28 | micols | so that it finds all files except a backup folder at depth 1 in tree |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | stoned: i can't help it if your sense of humor is broken, do not msg me |
| 23:25.38 | micols | i.e. if i got more backup folders it should still take those |
| 23:26.19 | stoned | If I need to approach you about something concerning the main #debian channel and its temperature, you MUST be available to discuss with me, as you are an op and you are responsible for that. |
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| 23:26.23 | stoned | you must be approachable. |
| 23:26.48 | abrotman | THEN ASK FIRST |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | !tell stoned about guidelines |
| 23:26.57 | stoned | if I do not like your jokes, if it only respectful of you to not joke with me. |
| 23:27.12 | stoned | please do not use all caps and yell at me. |
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| 23:27.19 | abrotman | you didn't know it was a joke .. how could you know if you didn't like it |
| 23:27.33 | abrotman | you've been here for long enough to know to ask first before using msg .. you never ask |
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| 23:27.54 | stoned | I did not know it was a joke, and i did not like it. Had you appended a smiley, I would not have thought you were being a dick and would not have cared. |
| 23:27.56 | themill | suggests stoned and abrotman take it to a pm |
| 23:28.07 | stoned | you share some responsibility. I tried PM, you wish to discuss this here in the main channel. |
| 23:28.10 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 23:28.11 | abrotman | had you asked to msg first, you wouldn't be here now |
| 23:28.19 | stoned | next time I will ask. |
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| 23:29.26 | themill | dpkg, what are we going to do tonight? |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | themill: Same thing we do every night. Try to take over the world. |
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| 23:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well pinkie... how does it feel to be inferior to a bot... |
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| 23:31.02 | stoned | o_O |
| 23:31.09 | JordiGH | I can't think of any more problems to fix... the last one was an iPod problem, and it turned out to be #492840 |
| 23:31.18 | JordiGH | Are Important bugs RC? |
| 23:31.29 | JordiGH | Only Grave, Serious, and Critical are RC, right? |
| 23:31.32 | abrotman | they can be reclassified as such if they're bad enough |
| 23:31.36 | pickcoder | ships his palm to JordiGH |
| 23:31.43 | pickcoder | there's a new one |
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| 23:32.14 | JordiGH | abrotman: This is an embarrassing little bug, but it's easy to fix and I hope Joss fixes it before release. |
| 23:32.52 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, here's one. The Vista partition won't be automounted by Gnome... "Invalid mount option". Alright, let's fix this... |
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| 23:33.17 | stoned | actually not to put too fine a point on it, but I think the guidelines talk about messing people with support quesitons and bugging them with that. I highly doubt the guidelines mean that you can't approach ops with a problem NOT about support. But you're right, asking first is the best policy. |
| 23:33.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: depends on what it changes in the package |
| 23:33.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: and the seriousness of the bug |
| 23:33.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, how do I solve the MTA delay during bootup when the network interface is disconnected |
| 23:34.12 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it happens with both exim4 and sendmail |
| 23:34.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, #492840 seems like an easy fix; it looks like they just have to agree on how to mount vfat partitions. |
| 23:34.30 | abrotman | probably with the /etc/hosts |
| 23:35.15 | themill | JordiGH: "just"... (actually, mkfs.ext3 is the best way of dealing with vfat partitions) |
| 23:35.22 | JordiGH | Hm, should I create an fstab entry for the Vista partitions? |
| 23:35.42 | stoned | wouldn't that get detected by grub? |
| 23:36.03 | stoned | xp and vista etc. etc. entries are made by grub from auto detection and it chainloads them properly too |
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| 23:36.17 | JordiGH | themill: Latest Linux in lenny mounts vfat partitions with lowercase and utf-8, which causes problem. gnome-mount can override those options, which is sort of what I just did in gconf. |
| 23:36.34 | stoned | nm wrong context |
| 23:36.39 | JordiGH | stoned: Oh, they boot fine. They're just not in fstab, and gnome can't figure out how to mount them. |
| 23:36.42 | JordiGH | Ah, right, nm. |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | os-prober |
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| 23:37.31 | JordiGH | Nice, webcam works beautifully out of the box. |
| 23:37.35 | stoned | which one? |
| 23:37.42 | themill | JordiGH: doesn't sound like it's really the mount options that are the problem but the crappy filesystem and even worse assumptions being made by programs that use it. |
| 23:37.46 | stoned | what do you mean out of the box, you didn't build any drivers for it? |
| 23:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, actually I noticed I can't copy files with umlauts in the name to my vfat usb-stick anymore... although that shouldn't be a problem with utf-8 |
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| 23:38.28 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, I'll grant that the real problem is the iPod. :-/ But it's harder to move the world away from iPods. I don't have one, but my brother does, and this is lenny I'm setting up for him because he's really pissed off with Vista. |
| 23:39.13 | JordiGH | stoned: Yeah, didn't do anything. Looks like Linux likes it fine. Whichever webcam the Acer Aspire 5315-2532 has builtin on top of the monitor. |
| 23:39.13 | csills | pissed off with vista |
| 23:39.20 | csills | now that is not unusual |
| 23:39.47 | JordiGH | csills: It's almost unusable. Not only is it Vista, but it's also preloaded with Acer crapware. |
| 23:40.00 | csills | Yep My wife found out also |
| 23:40.01 | abrotman | stoned: FWIW .. have you tried another IRC client? or upgrade firmware for your router? |
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| 23:40.12 | abrotman | stoned: FWIW .. have you tried another IRC client? or upgrade firmware for your router? |
| 23:40.13 | JordiGH | lenny is looking very nice... |
| 23:40.19 | JordiGH | is gonna be very happy when it releases. |
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| 23:40.44 | octoserver | is there a package with the programs c++ and g++ in them ? |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | !b-e octoserver |
| 23:40.52 | dpkg | octoserver: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 23:40.54 | JordiGH | g++ |
| 23:40.57 | csills | when is the official date for Lenny? |
| 23:40.58 | stoned | abrotman, not yet |
| 23:41.05 | JordiGH | !wwlr |
| 23:41.05 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 23:41.07 | abrotman | stoned: you realize you just got dropped .. again? |
| 23:41.12 | stoned | yes |
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| 23:41.17 | stoned | I'm trying not to get pissed off |
| 23:41.31 | stoned | fucking piece of shit internet |
| 23:41.36 | stoned | i fucking hate computers |
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| 23:41.38 | abrotman | or try freenode on port 8001 |
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| 23:41.46 | JyZyXEL | Number concerning the next release: 109 |
| 23:41.59 | JordiGH | For a stoner, you aren't very chillout sort of dude. |
| 23:41.59 | themill | Go fix one today! |
| 23:42.19 | JordiGH | rc-alert seems to give me a different bug count. Why is every RC bug count different? |
| 23:42.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, what to do with this MTA delay , it pisses me off when my notebook is unplugged from the lan. Plus i don't wanna remove exim4/sendmail to speed it up |
| 23:42.46 | abrotman | probably with the /etc/hosts |
| 23:42.50 | JordiGH | sh4d3sl4y3r_: Fix your /etc/hosts |
| 23:42.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what to change? |
| 23:43.04 | JordiGH | !nickometer sh4d3sl4y3r_ |
| 23:43.06 | dpkg | 'sh4d3sl4y3r_' is 52.000% lame, jordigh |
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| 23:43.24 | PupUserb62034 | lv ? |
| 23:43.47 | themill | JordiGH: check the description of rc-alert in its man page |
| 23:43.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | http://pastie.org/352500 here is my /etc/hosts |
| 23:43.59 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | what do I change |
| 23:44.29 | abrotman | PupUserb62034: i'm guessing you want the puppylinux channel |
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| 23:45.52 | JordiGH | themill: "rc-alert -d T" gives me 32 bugs... is that it? |
| 23:46.07 | themill | JordiGH: for packages that are installed on your system... |
| 23:46.28 | JordiGH | must have 30% of Debian installed... so... times 3, sounds about right. |
| 23:46.54 | abrotman | the turmzimmer site is a good way to check |
| 23:47.28 | JordiGH | Did you guys see that linear regression someone did on the bug chart, concluded that lenny would release in summer 2009? :-( |
| 23:48.15 | themill | JordiGH: that's bollox though. Have a look at the historical data for previous releases and how the number drops really quickly at the end due to removals or being marked as ignorable |
| 23:48.16 | zinx | yep |
| 23:48.31 | zinx | themill: he did look at historical data |
| 23:48.35 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, I pasted it. What do I change? |
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| 23:48.51 | themill | zinx: didn't if he did a linear regression |
| 23:49.22 | zinx | themill: he did the same thing with historical data. |
| 23:49.30 | zinx | themill: for testing accuracy of the model |
| 23:49.47 | themill | zinx: in which case he's not very good with stats or you're describing it really really badly |
| 23:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you talking about this one http://blog.venthur.de/2008/12/09/lennys-release-date-iii/ ? |
| 23:50.09 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: put your fqdn in there as something |
| 23:50.15 | zinx | themill: i am not describing it at all :P |
| 23:50.28 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 23:50.30 | themill | that would be the worst "linear" fitting I've seen in years |
| 23:50.42 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: or something similar at least |
| 23:50.58 | themill | (and I see a lot of rather optimistic "linear" fitting) |
| 23:51.34 | zinx | themill: not like you're going to come up with an accurate number ;P |
| 23:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... it's pretty gruesome |
| 23:52.07 | JordiGH | Hmm... I'd like to play with the data now that I think about it... where is it? |
| 23:52.37 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, u mean something like <somehost.example.com> |
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| 23:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ? |
| 23:53.17 | themill | the data used for the graph would be handy |
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| 23:53.38 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, I mean, where's the actual numbers by day? I'd rather not have to do it from a chart. |
| 23:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't be a big problem to get the numbers from it, if only the graph was svg |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:54.39 | JordiGH | Unfortunately, it's png. |
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| 23:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so I think the guy just took a ruler and drew in some more or less fitting lines... |
| 23:55.46 | JordiGH | If he did do that, then that is indeed total bollocks. |
| 23:55.58 | JordiGH | Let's ask him! |
| 23:57.18 | JordiGH | Oh, he's been asked, but hasn't answered. |
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| 23:58.21 | JordiGH | So, how is ntfs-3g nowadays? Any horror stories? |
| 23:59.06 | enouf | !tias |
| 23:59.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 23:59.11 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd go considerably with "less" fitting. Especially given the sharp drop in bugs that happens just before release. |
