| 00:00.32 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: ~$ grep 'it for this' /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst |
| 00:00.46 | JordiGH | enouf: Unfortunately, data is at stake, so "tias" isn't a good answer here. |
| 00:00.48 | JordiGH | Data is sacred. |
| 00:01.02 | Zharf | hardly |
| 00:01.07 | Zharf | don't I know you from somewhere? |
| 00:01.12 | enouf | JordiGH: if data mattered it wouldn't be on ntfs, and you wouldn't be asking |
| 00:01.17 | JordiGH | Zharf: Hello, fool. |
| 00:01.21 | themill | !tape backup |
| 00:01.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, tape backup is "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
| 00:01.37 | JordiGH | enouf: It's not my data; it's my user's data. :-) |
| 00:01.44 | enouf | s/ftp/git ? |
| 00:02.02 | enouf | JordiGH: users suck ass |
| 00:02.19 | JordiGH | enouf: That's my brother you're talking about! |
| 00:02.22 | Zharf | enouf, indeed |
| 00:02.27 | enouf | yes, i know :-P |
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| 00:02.54 | Zharf | JordiGH, why would you want to bakcup his porn? he can get it from the internets again if it gets lost |
| 00:02.57 | JyZyXEL | users suck thats tru |
| 00:03.00 | enouf | users are takers ... by definition ;-) |
| 00:03.04 | JordiGH | Zharf: He's got workstuff in there too... |
| 00:03.08 | Zharf | lies |
| 00:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ... |
| 00:03.15 | enouf | yes? |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: he means "beta testers" :) |
| 00:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was referring to that grep |
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| 00:04.28 | enouf | when someone sees stoned, tell that little maggot that although i've spoken 2x as many words as him, he's hit Enter 20x more times than i :-) |
| 00:04.40 | abrotman | enouf: msgserv! |
| 00:04.46 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh ;-) |
| 00:04.56 | abrotman | erm .. memoserv |
| 00:05.00 | enouf | abrotman: thanks :-p (forgot about that) |
| 00:05.05 | enouf | yeah |
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| 00:05.16 | abrotman | enouf: or for added fun .. change the topic in his OT channel |
| 00:05.25 | JyZyXEL | enouf im curious, if you had data that you cared about, what FS would u use for it? |
| 00:05.50 | enouf | [19:03:20] -MemoServ- The memo has been successfully sent to stoned. ;-) |
| 00:05.56 | enouf | heh |
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| 00:06.08 | enouf | JyZyXEL: fat12 |
| 00:06.15 | enouf | O_o |
| 00:06.25 | JyZyXEL | r u serious |
| 00:06.43 | enouf | with a face like that? |
| 00:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !u |
| 00:06.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:06.55 | JyZyXEL | do !r too |
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| 00:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, I'll leave that for you to msg dpkg... |
| 00:08.36 | JyZyXEL | aww i hate homework |
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| 00:10.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | also see wud coz and ne1 |
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| 00:11.54 | Ian_Daniher|XO | why would my scp speeds decrease by ~30kpbs/s between two wirelessly connected lenny boxes? |
| 00:11.58 | Ian_Daniher|XO | no errors |
| 00:12.20 | Ian_Daniher|XO | just the speed goes from 2.5mbps to around 100kbps if I try and transfer a large file |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | compared to what ? |
| 00:12.35 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher|XO: it's encrypted |
| 00:12.52 | liable | it still shouldnt slow that much |
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| 00:13.14 | liable | my shitty old linksys router used to do that, reboot and it would be fine for a few days |
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| 00:14.01 | streuner | liable: what do the sharks around Perth? :-P |
| 00:14.22 | Ian_Daniher|XO | liable: that would explain it - I'm using an ancient shitty netgear |
| 00:14.24 | liable | streuner: talk sense man! |
| 00:14.37 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I'm in the process of finding a cheap new wrt54gl |
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| 00:14.43 | streuner | liable: well, you are still alive :-P |
| 00:14.46 | liable | streuner: did you see the dudes on the kayaks get harrassed by the white pointer? |
| 00:14.59 | streuner | liable: heh? |
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| 00:15.12 | liable | lemme see if i can find a link |
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| 00:17.02 | streuner | liable: ah, i saw in in german TV :-) |
| 00:17.11 | streuner | liable: thats why i asked... |
| 00:17.24 | streuner | liable: s/in/it/ |
| 00:17.52 | frog_ | hi, i try tio learn cinelerra. i see only part of my images in a compositor. i tried to change the format settings and size of captured frame. but the application nearby hangs. could someone help me with syncing the view , so that i can see the whole image? |
| 00:17.57 | liable | streuner: one man got killed in perth last week, some other guys got harassed by one on the east coast |
| 00:19.11 | streuner | liable: well, they (sharks) think prolly whats swimming are apes or something to eat.... |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | frog_: i thought you were going to try impress ? |
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| 00:21.26 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 00:21.54 | themill | JordiGH: http://rafb.net/p/AeJ2Zx41.html not very high resolution data but good enough (digitised from the graph) |
| 00:21.57 | liable | streuner: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=714qJNrg1nI unfotunately, there is no sounds, which was the funniest bit. watch till the end.. |
| 00:22.00 | frog_ | abrotman: well, i wanna a movie |
| 00:22.39 | pppoe_dude | question re: intel link 5100 wireless card, I know it isn't supported by default in the etch and a half kernel, but was wondering if compiling the git kernel or 2.6.28 for etch would solve that problem? |
| 00:22.49 | pppoe_dude | or will I need to install custom firmware |
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| 00:23.02 | Titan | hi how can I send mail with a different from address |
| 00:23.04 | JordiGH | themill: How did you generate this? |
| 00:23.15 | pppoe_dude | i know on ubuntu, it works with a custom 2.6.28 kernel (latest) |
| 00:23.19 | themill | dpkg: tell pppoe_dude about iwlagn |
| 00:23.20 | JordiGH | themill: OO.o calc? |
| 00:23.27 | Titan | like I want it to send from cron@<the ip> instead of root@<hostname> |
| 00:23.49 | themill | JordiGH: no, engauge to do the digitisation. (can ooo do that sort of thing?) |
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| 00:24.07 | pppoe_dude | themill, cool, so it's onlhy kernel-side, no particular firmware i need to fiddle with? |
| 00:24.22 | JordiGH | themill: Since you're using csv, I assumed you used a spreadsheet. I have no idea if OO.o can do this. |
| 00:24.23 | themill | pppoe_dude: as dpkg just said, you also need the firmware |
| 00:24.25 | ryanCH | what command can i use to find out what file-system is used on a drive? |
| 00:24.37 | pppoe_dude | k |
| 00:24.41 | themill | JordiGH: I used to use PlotDigitizer (.sf.net) but I can't get its autotrace facility to work on lenny (yet) |
| 00:24.43 | JordiGH | ryanCH: parted or fdisk might know. |
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| 00:24.51 | ryanCH | ok |
| 00:25.17 | Titan | sorry can someone answer my question please |
| 00:25.20 | themill | JordiGH: csv was just engauge's default output. |
| 00:25.56 | ryanCH | JordiGH: i just found out in my fstab file, that my swap partition and one of my USB drives has the same drive info, what can i do? |
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| 00:26.07 | JordiGH | themill: It's probably easier if we just ask whoever's running the scripts to provide us the data. :-) |
| 00:26.22 | ryanCH | JordiGH: how can i figure out where my swap partition is? |
| 00:26.30 | themill | JordiGH: rather. but I don't know who that is to ask. |
| 00:27.20 | themill | JordiGH: but seeing as I need plot digitisers on a regular basis, it was useful to learn that my usual one wasn't working any more and good to try out engauge (which is a rather good package, it seems) |
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| 00:27.49 | JordiGH | ryanCH: I don't know offhand the answer to those, ask the channel in general. |
| 00:28.02 | ryanCH | ok |
| 00:28.05 | JordiGH | themill: Not packaged yet? |
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| 00:28.23 | themill | judd versions engauge-digitizer |
| 00:28.24 | judd | themill: engauge-digitizer -- etch: 3.0-2 lenny: 4.1-2 sid: 4.1-2 |
| 00:28.33 | JordiGH | judd? |
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| 00:28.38 | JordiGH | judd, what are you? |
| 00:28.38 | judd | JordiGH: Error: "what" is not a valid command. |
| 00:28.48 | JordiGH | Well, you're not a blootbot, that's for sure. |
| 00:29.19 | JordiGH | Dammit, my brother is getting laid while I fix his computer... |
| 00:29.24 | JordiGH | (er, apropos of nothing...) |
| 00:29.26 | zinx | judd: version? |
| 00:29.26 | judd | zinx: Error: "version?" is not a valid command. |
| 00:29.28 | themill | JordiGH: judd is a supie bot that has a backend onto bits of the uDD |
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| 00:35.27 | abrotman | still no workie! |
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| 00:37.31 | stoned | http://stoned.pastebin.com/d245b8176 <-- |
| 00:37.41 | stoned | this networking BS is drivng me nuts |
| 00:37.46 | enouf | stoned: read your memoservs :-p |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | enouf: in his defense .. quantity does not imply quality |
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| 00:38.29 | enouf | sure .. now you make believe you weren't instigating earlier .. |
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| 00:38.54 | abrotman | stoned: try mtr |
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| 00:39.10 | abrotman | why would i ? |
| 00:39.16 | enouf | abrotman: we have a term for your type, and it ends in -faced :-p |
| 00:39.51 | liable | says the channel drunk! |
| 00:39.57 | enouf | and the other part isn't one, nor three :-P |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. i really want to get him riled up .. what purpose does that serve? |
| 00:39.59 | streuner | nah |
| 00:40.22 | stoned | E: Failed to fetch http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/pool/main/m/mtr/mtr_0.75-2_i386.deb: Temporary failure resolving 'debian.osuosl.org' |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | use a better mirror~ |
| 00:40.48 | enouf | although .. might as well make it 20 once it's up to 2 :-) |
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| 00:41.20 | stoned | i can't ping anything from my desktop |
| 00:41.20 | stoned | however my laptop is still connected to fucking irc |
| 00:41.20 | stoned | desktop will go out intermittently , laptop keeps resetting connection |
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| 00:41.45 | stoned | I can't connect to my router's config page, it takes hours, I reboot the router it works and a little while later I get BS again |
| 00:41.49 | enouf | stop using the neighbors AP? |
| 00:41.55 | abrotman | your router config page takes hours ? |
| 00:41.56 | enouf | +' |
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| 00:41.58 | stoned | its mine |
| 00:42.07 | stoned | abrotman, afew minutes I just tried now |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | that can't be good |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | do you have an http server NATed behind it? |
| 00:42.42 | stoned | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.798 ms |
| 00:42.44 | enouf | stoned: that;s either a firmware bug, or your ISP is sending nasty packets, or upgrading everyone's modem firmware |
| 00:42.45 | stoned | ping is good |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | the MTR can show you where oyu're dropping packets |
| 00:43.07 | stoned | the web interace not respoiding, I upgraded router firmware this summer, its got ddwrt v24sp2 from this summer |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | though it might be some schmuck along the way filtering pings |
| 00:43.19 | enouf | stoned: is it cable? or FIOS? or .. |
| 00:43.19 | stoned | it would help if I could fetch mtr |
| 00:43.25 | stoned | road runenr cable |
| 00:43.35 | stoned | wrt54g with ddwrt version metnioned above |
| 00:43.47 | stoned | v6 router |
| 00:44.10 | stoned | ok, apt-get update works again |
| 00:44.26 | enouf | then someone might be flooding the segment or attempting some Arp-poisoning, or DNS cache poisoning, or whatever |
| 00:44.38 | stoned | around where I live? |
| 00:44.43 | stoned | not possible |
| 00:45.43 | stoned | I'll reboot the router, see if i can get into the config, i'll disable wifi, and see what happens |
| 00:45.44 | enouf | stoned: cable uses 'shared', so if all the weenies are at home hitting up their boobtubs, facecrack, mypoop, then you'll get a slowdown - try rearranging your nameservers in your resolv.conf for shits and giggles |
| 00:46.03 | stoned | enouf, no its worse |
| 00:46.08 | stoned | its not dns issues |
| 00:46.09 | enouf | aye |
| 00:46.16 | stoned | enouf, can't get ping back from router! |
| 00:46.25 | stoned | few minutes later it coems back |
| 00:46.27 | enouf | oh dear - replace the cable |
| 00:46.35 | enouf | run ethtool |
| 00:46.52 | stoned | here https goes agian its fucke dup |
| 00:47.01 | stoned | I can't ping router from desktop, I can't access http fro mlaptop or desktop |
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| 00:47.04 | stoned | but im here on irc |
| 00:47.05 | stoned | !ping |
| 00:47.05 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:47.09 | enouf | stoned: i reflashed your NIC eeprom overnight when you were sleeping :-P |
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| 00:48.33 | Kozuch | does anyone run debiansugar on OLPC XO-1? |
| 00:48.36 | enouf | stoned: fwiw, go over the netstat -an output - lsof -i -n ..did you fire up a usually unneeded service you forgot about? |
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| 00:50.05 | enouf | oh wow .. this jack daniels aroma therapy is really working :-P |
| 00:50.51 | enouf | how's that for quality abrotman ? O_0 |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | enouf: on par with the rest of yours |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | bah .. he died again ? |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | oh .. he reset the router |
| 00:51.51 | enouf | abrotman: i try to support your figments whenever possible :-) |
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| 00:52.05 | abrotman | okay then |
| 00:52.50 | enouf | hrm .. /me temporarily enables hide/join messages |
| 00:53.13 | abrotman | oh .. you'll know when he's back :) |
| 00:53.53 | enouf | touché |
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| 00:54.11 | enouf | but now you have 25 faces :-P |
| 00:54.47 | enouf | is thankful he didn't typo the a for an e in faces :-) |
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| 00:55.23 | abrotman | shouldn't he be tryiing to ping a host that does reply |
| 00:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find the join/part-msg to talk ratio rather scary for some people... doesn't help if the change nick for away either |
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| 00:57.26 | horkychen | I meet a error message when booting: I/O error reading swsusp image, how to correct it? |
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| 01:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's from suspend-to-disk |
| 01:00.51 | horkychen | how to solve it? |
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| 01:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you surely knew that... having googled for it and all |
| 01:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you could just try to suspend to disk another time? |
| 01:01.50 | horkychen | but I cann't boot now |
| 01:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh? nice |
| 01:02.32 | horkychen | ^^ |
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| 01:02.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read that thread? http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-05/msg00259.html |
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| 01:03.09 | horkychen | If I boot with CD, but how to solve it? |
| 01:04.08 | horkychen | sorry, I missed the section2 |
| 01:04.27 | horkychen | I will try |
| 01:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have other kernels installed? |
| 01:04.45 | nsadmin | horkychen:what exactly were you doing when you got the message |
| 01:05.13 | horkychen | I reallocated my partition |
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| 01:05.33 | horkychen | so the older SWAP were removed |
| 01:05.53 | nsadmin | so it gave you the error message the second you reallocated? |
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| 01:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'course not |
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| 01:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | he garbled swap... and now the kernel thinks there's a suspend-image in what was swap... |
| 01:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least I think swap is where the images go |
| 01:07.26 | DJCiP | hey - so i installed debian from USB - and then unfortunately grub installed on to my usb drive instead of my hard drive - how do i fix this ? |
| 01:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so that'd make sense |
| 01:07.27 | liable | it is |
| 01:07.38 | liable | if he suspends again, it should wipe it |
| 01:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | he can't boot, though |
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| 01:08.10 | horkychen | I have installed two Linux distributions. I installed Debian first, and allocated SWAP partition for it. Then I installed Fedora, but I removed the SWAP to allocate a new one. When I reboot to Debian again, I got the message! |
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| 01:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... I wonder how the kernel knows where the suspend image went - is fstab already accessible when the image is read by the kernel? |
| 01:08.48 | DJCiP | horkychen you need to edit ur fstab right ? |
| 01:09.03 | liable | try with init=/bin/sh and see if it will boot |
| 01:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | DJCiP, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 01:09.07 | nsadmin | does the kernel do suspend? |
| 01:09.09 | DJCiP | no - fstab |
| 01:09.17 | nsadmin | or the laptop hw? |
| 01:09.35 | horkychen | but something were suspended into SWAP? right? |
| 01:09.42 | DJCiP | and for my problem - i need install Grub on to my machine's hard drive... and idk how to do that lol |
| 01:09.50 | DJCiP | from USB |
| 01:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | horkychen, or so your kernel thinks... |
| 01:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get install grub" |
| 01:10.33 | horkychen | Maybe it want to resume something from swsusp |
| 01:10.57 | DJCiP | CutMeOwnThroat - that would require me to be able to boot into debian - which i can't |
| 01:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | DJCiP, ... and I think you'd be better off with a regular install |
| 01:11.09 | DJCiP | CutMeOwnThroat, if i could buy a cd i would |
| 01:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | download&burn a cd? |
| 01:11.30 | DJCiP | yah - i have no CD media |
| 01:11.37 | DJCiP | like phyiscal blank cd |
| 01:11.38 | DJCiP | none |
| 01:11.47 | DJCiP | won't be getting some for another week or so |
| 01:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 01:12.00 | nsadmin | why can't you get one now? |
| 01:12.12 | DJCiP | cuz my car is broken |
| 01:12.16 | DJCiP | store is an hour away |
| 01:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he must be living on the north pole or something :) |
| 01:12.26 | DJCiP | guess i could order online lol |
| 01:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, you can boot into it |
| 01:12.43 | DJCiP | is there away to do it from my debian installer ? |
| 01:12.53 | DJCiP | well how can i boot into it ? |
| 01:12.55 | liable | yes |
| 01:13.04 | liable | start the installer in rescue mode |
| 01:13.10 | DJCiP | because when i went to boot into debian - it like hosed |
| 01:13.30 | DJCiP | and i'm using a GTK installer disk - how do i get it into rescue mode ? |
| 01:13.36 | nsadmin | hosed isn't specific... what exactly happens? |
| 01:13.42 | liable | rescue at boot rpompt |
| 01:14.07 | DJCiP | um - it stops loading around loading scisi drivers |
| 01:14.36 | DJCiP | or something |
| 01:14.44 | DJCiP | idk - i could get specifics |
| 01:14.50 | DJCiP | *scsi |
| 01:15.08 | nsadmin | so what does the last line say when it stops |
| 01:15.18 | DJCiP | yah - i can get you that! |
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| 01:16.30 | VolVE | Hey all, wondering how to mount a directory from 1 debian box to another? NFS seems to have a bad rep so I wasn't sure what to go with... |
| 01:16.41 | Enverex | What is the easiest way to upgrade something to Experimental? (basically I need to upgrade to Mesa 7.2 which is in experimental, only 7.0.3 is in Sid) |
| 01:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get install something -t experimental"? |
| 01:17.29 | Enverex | CutMeOwnThroat, It's like 8 packages though |
| 01:17.33 | nsadmin | Enverex: build the package and install that |
| 01:17.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | VolVE, sshfs perhaps? |
| 01:17.41 | nsadmin | build them all |
| 01:18.02 | Enverex | nsadmin, System probably wont let me remove the mesa packages as they are deps of most things |
| 01:18.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Enverex, if they depend on each other they get pulled in... |
| 01:18.07 | themill | JordiGH: a (slightly) more sensible analysis. perhaps. http://picpaste.com/graphextend.png |
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| 01:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I thought so now YOU took YOUR ruler and drew a line... but this looks as if you actually got hold of the raw data... |
| 01:18.57 | nsadmin | Enverex: you don't have to remove them as you'll be replacing them once you build them |
| 01:18.57 | Enverex | CutMeOwnThroat, Not sure if half of them are |
| 01:19.16 | Enverex | nsadmin, But then if any are upgraded then I'll have different version bits all over the place |
| 01:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Enverex, then you'll have to do it 8 times... |
| 01:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or give apt the 8 package names on one line |
| 01:20.11 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: not really the raw data -- it's digitised off the plot so there's not as many data points there as there could be. |
| 01:20.19 | nsadmin | if you don't build them, you might not be able to install them... I'm not quite sure what the relationship between sid and experimental with respect to the buildds |
| 01:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, hehe... they really should have the raw data publicly available somewhere |
| 01:20.54 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: but it's reasonable |
| 01:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so everyone can make up his/her own release date |
| 01:21.17 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: it probably is... just don't know where. Next time dondelelcaro is around I'll ask... |
| 01:21.38 | nsadmin | maybe the buildds tries to build experimental packages on sid... maybe the buildds ignore experimental entirely |
| 01:21.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... google doesn't seem to know about it... and google knows everything! |
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| 01:21.53 | themill | heh |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 01:22.16 | nsadmin | he's stoned! |
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| 01:22.25 | stoned | Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp1 (07/27/08) micro |
| 01:22.35 | noob | can somebody show me how to create a shell user for ssh2? |
| 01:22.39 | abrotman | stoned: does it work better? |
| 01:22.45 | stoned | I upgraded, my last was from may, so far its been 15 minutes without any BS |
| 01:22.45 | abrotman | noob: createuser |
| 01:22.48 | abrotman | uh .. wtf |
| 01:22.50 | stoned | so far so good |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | noob: adduser |
| 01:22.55 | noob | hi abrotman.. i remember you :) |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | databases on the brain |
| 01:23.06 | nsadmin | abrotman: createuser is for postgres :) |
| 01:23.11 | Tapout | I tried to ; chown root t.sh ; chmod a+s t.sh ; then in a user account, tried running the script with ... nice -n -10 .. but it still says permission denied.. what am I missing? |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | nsadmin: yeah .. i just got done writing queries for a client :) |
| 01:23.24 | noob | abrotman: lol.. do i need to add the user to sshd? |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | noob: only if you're restricting by user in the sshd_config |
| 01:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, so what's the line that's rising from distribution to distribution? |
| 01:23.44 | enouf | [19:40:22] <enouf> stoned: that;s either a firmware bug, or... you're welcome ;-) |
| 01:23.56 | abrotman | thinks if stoned gets dumped again .. NYC might explode |
| 01:24.00 | noob | hi enouf.. how's canada? |
| 01:24.16 | enouf | noob: pretty nice .. from others tell me |
| 01:24.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, a+rx ? |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. but i've been telling him that for awhile |
| 01:24.22 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: that's the point at which the linear fall in bugs stops and the release just gets made, with the rest of the bugs either being marked as "ignore" or the packages being removed. |
| 01:24.25 | noob | abrotman: how can i clear all old users? |
| 01:24.31 | nsadmin | canada is north of the south pole... and south of the north pole! |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | old users of what? |
| 01:24.38 | enouf | !pony or nopony abrotman |
| 01:24.38 | dpkg | gives or nopony abrotman a pony |
| 01:24.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:24.46 | enouf | O_o |
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| 01:24.51 | stoned | enouf, firmware worked fine for a year... |
| 01:24.59 | stoned | er.. half a year |
| 01:24.59 | Enverex | Next question then as that didn't seem to work, any ideas when Mesa 7.2 will be in Sid? It was released back in September :/ |
| 01:25.02 | noob | abrotman: i would like to remove all old ftp/ssh2/samba users and create one brand new one for all. |
| 01:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, and that's steadily rising, so we'll get faster and faster releases |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | stoned: but it's possible your ISP changed the modem firmware .. or something on their network |
| 01:25.15 | stoned | it could be anything! |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | noob: do you know which users those are? |
| 01:25.36 | noob | abrotman: no.. is that bad? i don't know how to see which users are on the system (read: noob) |
| 01:25.38 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, yep, still doesn't permit it |
| 01:25.41 | stoned | I would just like for it work long enough for me to find out wtf is woing gong |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | thinks this won't really fix stoned's problem .. since he just restarted the router, it'll behave for an hour |
| 01:25.44 | stoned | going wrong |
| 01:25.55 | abrotman | noob: ask the admin ? |
| 01:25.57 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: What that will do for lenny is anyone's guess. But ignoring that was one of the big problems with that other analysis. That and assuming the bug fix rate was the same for the three releases when it clearly isn't (0.6, 1.1 and 2.0 bugs per day) |
| 01:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, you put the script in a directory that the user may not enter? |
| 01:26.05 | noob | abrotman: you're my admin today. |
| 01:26.11 | abrotman | bonus! |
| 01:26.16 | enouf | stoned: i know my cable comp was uploading new firmware to the modems, it killed my net/router . i didn't know wtf was going on - i called them, they told me, i relaxed till the storm was over ;-) |
| 01:26.21 | nsadmin | noob: so by "read: noob" do you mean you can't: read? learn? understand? |
| 01:26.21 | stoned | doesn't think so either, but hey, excuse to upgrade my firmware |
| 01:26.24 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, nope, i can read/write to the script.. as the user |
| 01:26.29 | stoned | why the heck not |
| 01:26.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, can root run it? |
| 01:26.37 | noob | is crying |
| 01:26.42 | stoned | awww |
| 01:26.43 | stoned | so cute |
| 01:26.48 | themill | dpkg, comfort noob |
| 01:26.48 | dpkg | There, there, noob. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:26.51 | stoned | pats noob on the head |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | noob: look in /etc/passwd .. look at users over 1000 |
| 01:27.07 | enouf | getent passwd | sort |
| 01:27.09 | noob | abrotman: will right now.. thx. |
| 01:27.11 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, another guy said ... kernel ignores setuid on scripts, only compileds |
| 01:27.12 | abrotman | don't be too nice .. i'll never go home! |
| 01:27.30 | stoned | apart from the BS on the http side |
| 01:27.32 | nsadmin | ohh, the plot thickens... |
| 01:27.51 | stoned | I figured out that my connection drops very frequently if i connect to 8001 as enouf once suggested |
| 01:28.04 | nsadmin | like split pea soup |
| 01:28.05 | stoned | I am back on 6667 and its stable so far.. |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | stoned: that might be because your router is one of the evil ones that the DCC junk resets |
| 01:28.22 | noob | abrotman: there's only a few |
| 01:28.31 | abrotman | connecting to 8001 "fixes" that |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | noob: those are your non-system users |
| 01:28.44 | themill | stoned: I'm not sure that 7 minutes counts as particularly stable. |
| 01:28.47 | enouf | stoned: tcp 0 0 192.168.0.2:42246 209.177.146.34:8001 ESTABLISHED3910 |
| 01:28.52 | enouf | no issues here |
| 01:28.59 | Enverex | Is it possible to get Apt to use experimental for everything temporarily? |
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| 01:29.08 | stoned | lets find out |
| 01:29.12 | themill | Enverex: -t experimental |
| 01:29.14 | nkuttler | Enverex: there is no experimental for everything |
| 01:29.18 | enouf | stoned: your ISP sucks ass |
| 01:29.21 | stoned | I'm hungry anyway im gonna go get some food |
| 01:29.24 | stoned | enouf, I agree |
| 01:29.34 | Enverex | themill, Well trying to use synaptic |
| 01:29.38 | enouf | stoned: get one that uses Fiber for their backbone |
| 01:29.40 | noob | abrotman: none of these users exist in /home .. do you think thta's why they're not working in shell? |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | depends how you created them |
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| 01:30.15 | nsadmin | what's important is what's on the other end of the fiber |
| 01:30.16 | stoned | you want to use experimental, with synaptic? |
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| 01:30.29 | stoned | I'm sorry I don't want to offend but you I really really wanna point and laugh. |
| 01:30.31 | streuner | one of the |
| 01:30.31 | noob | abrotman: i see.. i wonder if i usermod them, will the homes be recreated? |
| 01:30.46 | enouf | noob: man usermod, man adduser |
| 01:30.47 | abrotman | noob: do they have $HOMEs listed in /etc/passwd? |
| 01:30.52 | themill | Enverex: no idea. I haven't used synaptic since sarge. istr there was a "use release" setting somewhere though.... but if you're going to start messing with exptl, then you should get your hands dirty and use something more powerful and less hand holdy to unbreak your system when you need to |
| 01:31.08 | rgr | I log in via xdm and my .xsession is executed. But when I su or gksu my root's ~/.Xresources is being ignored all of a sudden. Any idea why this might be? |
| 01:31.19 | noob | abrotman: yes they do? |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | don't ask .. |
| 01:31.37 | enouf | rgr: root's stuff is in /root |
| 01:31.46 | rgr | enouf: yes |
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| 01:31.54 | Enverex | themill, It's just I can click the few packages and click upgrade in synaptic, on the command line I will have to find every package name and type them all out, it will take 500 times longer and be tedious |
| 01:31.57 | rgr | I have a different .Xresources there |
| 01:32.26 | nkuttler | Enverex: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 01:32.43 | Tapout | does the kernel ignore setuid on 'scripts'? |
| 01:33.03 | Enverex | nkuttler, I know what it is |
| 01:33.22 | nkuttler | Enverex: you don't. if you knew you wouldn't ask what you are asking |
| 01:33.23 | VolVE | CutMeOwnThroat: I just tried sshfs but for some reason can only access the mounted dir when su'd to root... :/ |
| 01:34.01 | nsadmin | nkuttler: what he actually wants is upgraded packages |
| 01:34.04 | themill | Enverex: aptitude has a text-based user interface too. But realistically, you shouldn't be ever pulling enough from experimental that it's a problem (and versioned dependencies should pull extra stuff in for you). And the command line has tab completion for aptitude commands anyway... |
| 01:34.14 | nkuttler | nsadmin: no kidding? |
| 01:34.20 | Enverex | nkuttler, I'm not trying to upgrade the whole system |
| 01:34.21 | noob | abrotman: i mean, yes they do. |
| 01:34.39 | enouf | rgr: don't login using xdm then, or .. better, select console login, then login as user in the tty, then fire up gksu from the tty |
| 01:34.39 | noob | abrotman: how can i tell if SSHD is actually running? maybe i need to start simpler. |
| 01:34.59 | enouf | rgr: or man xdm, and adjust settings in /etc/X11/xdm ? |
| 01:35.00 | nkuttler | Enverex: ah, good for you. but you should still stop doing it. |
| 01:35.01 | abrotman | ps aux | grep ssh |
| 01:35.15 | nsadmin | noob: or telnet localhost 22 |
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| 01:35.26 | Enverex | nkuttler, I -need- updated Mesa, so it's either that or I install fake packages and compile critical deps myself, which is even less safe |
| 01:35.50 | Enverex | nkuttler, If the packages in Debian weren't 4 months out of date it wouldn't be an issue |
| 01:35.53 | orzo | i'm having a really hard time with a bluetooth keyboard i want to be able to be able to attach and disconnect while X is running |
| 01:35.56 | noob | abrotman: something shows when i do that "ps aux" cmd |
| 01:36.06 | orzo | evdev quits retrying and doesnt come back when i detach |
| 01:36.13 | nkuttler | Enverex: what mesa package do you need? |
| 01:36.15 | enouf | noob: you might need to use 'gnome-session' or a option like that passed to gksu{do}, i don't know - but i know with kde, it's startkde, kdesu, kdesud |
| 01:36.31 | nsadmin | btw I didn't mean to install fake packages and build before, I meant get the debianized source and build the packages on your machine |
| 01:36.33 | Enverex | nkuttler, I need Mesa 7.2 rather than 7.0.3 |
| 01:36.33 | noob | enouf: was that for me? |
| 01:36.46 | enouf | noob: sorry , no |
| 01:37.00 | rgr | enouf: it was working. Something in an update seems to have broken it. had user and root .Xresources working fine and being sourced so root and user instances of urxvt looked different. |
| 01:37.00 | enouf | rgr: above message to noob was for you |
| 01:37.27 | enouf | rgr: i understand .. hrm .. |
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| 01:37.34 | noob | how do i add a user to a group? |
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| 01:37.36 | rgr | I dont use gnome-session |
| 01:38.00 | enouf | rgr: i'm not sure even where to look .. but, you could strace commands and set -x in scripts |
| 01:38.21 | enouf | rgr: are we talking remote? |
| 01:38.28 | orzo | i specified the device node in xorg.conf. Is there a better way to do this? |
| 01:38.39 | rgr | if I manuall xrdb -load as root then open a root urxvt, the bg is my "root color" just fine. problem is then so my normal users one when I open. |
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| 01:38.57 | rgr | enouf: no not remote |
| 01:39.19 | noob | abrotman: what should i look for in the sshd/ssh config scripts that would need to be checked to let me connect |
| 01:39.24 | marcrosoft | So I am compiling a custom kernel with make-kpkg... what happens when there is a security kernel patch or upgrade? |
| 01:39.25 | rgr | I just know its going to smoething lame and obvious. |
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| 01:40.14 | stew | marcrosoft: you comiple again |
| 01:40.26 | rgr | how do I query currentdir in a shell? |
| 01:40.37 | nsadmin | marcrosoft: basically nothing until you do something |
| 01:40.44 | marcrosoft | i see |
| 01:40.50 | stew | rgr: pwd |
| 01:41.19 | marcrosoft | but apt-get upgrade whill pull the newest source right? so i can just recompile? |
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| 01:42.01 | nsadmin | no, more probably you have to be more specific than just upgrade |
| 01:42.15 | stew | marcrosoft: apt-get upgrade will pull newer source if newer source exists with the same package name, so it would upgrade from linux-source-2.6.18 to a newer linux-source-2.6.18 but not to linux-source-2.6.19 |
| 01:42.16 | rgr | so how to I start an urxvt so that its in roots home dir and my users? I tried both sudo and gksu |
| 01:42.19 | abrotman | noob: you could just .. try it |
| 01:42.26 | rgr | s/my/not my |
| 01:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | VolVE, you can mount it as the user... else ... -o allow_other? |
| 01:42.32 | stew | marcrosoft: and once you have that newer source, you'd still have to untar it, configure it and compile it |
| 01:42.36 | nsadmin | btw, why are you building it custom? |
| 01:42.45 | VolVE | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, found it |
| 01:42.52 | nkuttler | rgr: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:42.56 | noob | abrotman: it doesn't work |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | define "it" |
| 01:43.13 | marcrosoft | stew: right, I just dont want to miss a security patch or something just because I have a custom kernel |
| 01:43.16 | nsadmin | Internet Technologies!@ |
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| 01:43.49 | stew | marcrosoft: subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
| 01:43.49 | noob | abrotman: soryr.. i meant that it's not accepting my user or password. can you walk me through creating a new ssh user? maybe the one i'm using is just bad? |
| 01:43.50 | rgr | nkuttler: get proper xresources loaded for root in a shell |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | noob: adduser <username> |
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| 01:44.23 | nsadmin | good idea... that way you'll know when it comes up |
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| 01:45.27 | nsadmin | noob: you could watch auth.log while the user tries to log in |
| 01:45.28 | noob | abrotman: okay, added. |
| 01:45.41 | noob | nsadmin: thank you nsa, where do i find that? |
| 01:45.45 | nkuttler | rgr: not sure how that his handled in detail. do you just want to run x apps as root properly? |
| 01:45.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there are no "ssh users"..... only regular users not explicitly forbidden to connect per ssh |
| 01:46.33 | nsadmin | perhaps he means shell user |
| 01:47.05 | noob | i don't know what i mean |
| 01:47.07 | noob | heheh |
| 01:47.10 | noob | is blushing |
| 01:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | VolVE, doh... sshfs as a user *is* neat... never thought of it, but using it on the home-dir on my mailserver finally makes attachments useable |
| 01:47.38 | VolVE | :) |
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| 01:47.53 | noob | um.. here's what it says: localhost sshd[1131]: Failed password for illegal user ftp from 192.168.1.107 port 64257 ssh2. |
| 01:47.54 | nsadmin | noob: perhaps it's good to find out... what do you want th euser to be able to do? |
| 01:48.20 | noob | nsadmin: ftp (over ssh2); shell (ssh2) and samba |
| 01:48.26 | noob | pretty much everything |
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| 01:48.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | samba? |
| 01:48.47 | rgr | nkuttler: no. I want my root terminal to be different colour. it was working. I has stopped working. I cant figure out why. A good strart would be how to start a terminal like "gksu urxvt" but have it default to root's homedir. |
| 01:48.56 | nsadmin | ok, not sure about the samba part yet, so let's hold off and get the other two first |
| 01:49.21 | noob | nsadmin: okay.. samba is sorta unnec if i can get ftp working |
| 01:49.22 | noob | :) |
| 01:49.56 | nsadmin | just so you know, the original ftp protocol is unsafe |
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| 01:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob .. " illegal user ftp"... you called the user ftp? |
| 01:50.19 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: yup. |
| 01:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's already an ftp user ... |
| 01:50.38 | noob | nsadmin: that's why i want to use FTP over SSH2 |
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| 01:51.09 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: named "ftp" ? |
| 01:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, don't call it ftp... try "grep ftp /etc/passwd" |
| 01:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, YES.... he's for ftp servers |
| 01:51.34 | noob | (or she) |
| 01:51.38 | nsadmin | maybe ftp won't exist unless he has proftpd installed |
| 01:52.06 | nsadmin | noob: you could also consider sftp |
| 01:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... majordom is female... ftp is male and daemon... well, figure for yourself |
| 01:52.33 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: 2 records (sftp:x:1005:100) and (ftp:x:1000:1000:FTP User,,,:/home/ftp:/bin/bash) |
| 01:52.35 | nsadmin | hermaphrodite |
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| 01:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, see... you added a 2nd ftp user... bad idea |
| 01:52.59 | noob | nsadmin: lol |
| 01:53.14 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: tell me what to do? |
| 01:53.39 | nsadmin | first remove ftp, and then choose another name? |
| 01:53.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you use vi? |
| 01:53.41 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: and does that explain the "failed password for illegal user" ..? |
| 01:53.50 | noob | userdel "ftp" ? |
| 01:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... |
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| 01:54.03 | nsadmin | but it does look like his ftp was the only one present |
| 01:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I wonder... you shouldn't remove the other ftp user |
| 01:54.08 | marcrosoft | How often is there a security flaw in the kernel istelf that needs patching? |
| 01:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, no, it doesn't look like this |
| 01:54.21 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: ack.. i just removed him. |
| 01:54.29 | zinx | marcrosoft: it happens when it happens |
| 01:54.29 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: should i add him back? |
| 01:54.34 | nsadmin | that;'s ok, that's the one you added |
| 01:54.40 | nsadmin | ftp:x:1000:1000:FTP |
| 01:54.49 | nsadmin | that's the one you removed |
| 01:54.56 | noob | nsadmin: yes.. i removed that. |
| 01:55.05 | marcrosoft | zinx: just curious how often I am going to have to recompile vs download the generic kernel |
| 01:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, you're right - I was fooled by the 2 records... |
| 01:55.43 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: should i add him back? |
| 01:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ftp:x:107:107::/home/ftp:/bin/false" is my ftp user - obviously because you didn't install an ftp server you didn't get a ftp user from the system |
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| 01:56.13 | TheUnderTaker | Debian sucks thats the bottom line because i say so |
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| 01:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm |
| 01:56.26 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: just added him: "ftp:x:1006:100::/home/ftp" (what is GROUP 100?) |
| 01:56.28 | DJCiP | yo - so.. anyone know where i can download the debian unstable iso ? |
| 01:56.31 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: so if he uses that name, he could be screwed if he tries to install a plain ftp server, whose packaging would try to add the ftp user |
| 01:56.38 | TheUnderTaker | Debian sucks thats the bottom line because i say so |
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| 01:56.49 | streuner | thanks stew |
| 01:57.01 | zinx | marcrosoft: Debian's generic kernels are updated for reasons other than security reasons, so probably less. |
| 01:57.03 | streuner | DJCiP: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 01:57.10 | noob | nsadmin: i don't intend to install a plain ftp server, if i can get ftp over ssh2 working :) |
| 01:57.13 | stew | TheUnderTaker: i'm silencing you for now. if you decide you have on-topic questions, feel free to /msg me |
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| 01:57.22 | nsadmin | TheUnderTaker: then it's simple.... don't use is |
| 01:57.34 | zinx | marcrosoft: if you don't update for anything but security problems, anyway |
| 01:57.36 | aiuw | noob, why would you do ftp over ssh? It defeats the point of ftp. |
| 01:57.40 | streuner | a troll, dont feed... |
| 01:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, well... not really sure - probably not, but he's substituting the passwordless system-ftp user with a real user... and that might not be a good idea in some cases... (might not ever matter, though) |
| 01:58.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, and dont troll the feed... err... or was that the other way around |
| 01:58.11 | noob | aiuw: i don't understand dude.. let me get this working and then will discus why. |
| 01:58.30 | marcrosoft | zinx: hmm alright.. just weighing the pros and cons of custom kernel |
| 01:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | aiuw, he just wants to do sftp? |
| 01:58.37 | nsadmin | too many yodas there are! |
| 01:58.46 | aiuw | Then install openssh-server |
| 01:58.57 | DJCiP | ok.. |
| 01:59.01 | noob | i want to shell and do FTP/overSSH2 |
| 01:59.08 | noob | both. |
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| 01:59.23 | stew | noob: we'd recommend just using sftp instead of trying to do ftp over ssh |
| 01:59.31 | DJCiP | maybe here's a better question - i have a Fujitsu T5010 tablet pc |
| 01:59.35 | flyback | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10130785-93.html <--- HAHAHAHA YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE ASS ON THE WAY OUT |
| 01:59.42 | aiuw | Doing FTP through the SSH defeats all the purposes of FTP because it is slowed by the encryption. |
| 01:59.47 | zinx | marcrosoft: if the generic kernel works, then there are no worthwile pros to using a custom one :P |
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| 02:00.09 | DJCiP | only the unstable release of Debian using UNetBootin will recognize my hardware - so what should i do about that? |
| 02:00.12 | marcrosoft | zinx: isn't it much faster when you remove 80% of the stuff you don't use? |
| 02:00.18 | zinx | marcrosoft: No. |
| 02:00.28 | marcrosoft | zinx: and why is that? |
| 02:00.34 | stew | flyback: please keep it on topic, and don't use all caps |
| 02:00.40 | zinx | marcrosoft: because stuff that isn't used, surprise, is not used. |
| 02:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, anyways, it'd be better not to give the user a name that's used by the system |
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| 02:01.12 | stew | aiuw: nobody is recommending he do ftp through ssh. and sftp doesn't defeat the purpose of ftp, as the purpose of both is to transfer files |
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| 02:01.24 | cmanns | Hey guys how can I get flash/iceweasel on amd64 |
| 02:01.27 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: well.. what do you recommend for setting up SHELL and FTP (over SSH2) ? |
| 02:01.32 | stew | aiuw: is sftp slower than ftp? i'd not expect it to be, ftp is quite a bad and slow protocol |
| 02:01.42 | marcrosoft | zinx: hmm |
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| 02:01.51 | bush | ftp slow? |
| 02:01.51 | zinx | cmanns: in lenny or etch, you can apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:02.00 | aiuw | stew, seems like it to me, at least when I transfer files , even within the servers in my lan. |
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| 02:02.35 | bush | stew: yeah, sftp is much slower |
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| 02:02.51 | aiuw | stew, I thought noob wanted to create an ssh tunnel then use ftp through that tunnel |
| 02:02.54 | bush | i see about 1MB/sec through sftp, 10MB/sec via ftp |
| 02:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, nothing special... should "just work" you got the ssh metapackage installed... then that's it |
| 02:03.06 | rgr | enouf: I found the problem with X resources. Quite interesting. |
| 02:03.17 | DJCiP | hi - so my laptop is really new and requires a really up-to-date kernel - what can i do about getting my hands on a copy of debian that will recognize this new hardware ? |
| 02:03.18 | aiuw | Mhm, although sftp is much more secure. |
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| 02:03.39 | aiuw | DJCiP, go w/ Ubuntu... |
| 02:03.39 | cmanns | zibri, Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 02:04.03 | rgr | whe I log into desktop the system binds all .Xresources for that user to the root WINDOW (desktop) on that display. Opening a root program it looks for a certain setting and if not set for root looks into root's .Xdefaults, not roots .Xresources. So moved .Xresources to .Xdefaults in /root and all worked. |
| 02:04.04 | zinx | cmanns: :( |
| 02:04.08 | cmanns | :'( |
| 02:04.09 | Malf | DJCiP: how up to date a kernel version number-wise? |
| 02:04.12 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: could it have something to do with a bad user? or a bad authorizedkeysfile? |
| 02:04.20 | zinx | cmanns: maybe it's not currently in the release you're using.. it gets removed/broken from time to time |
| 02:04.23 | noob | how do i create a new authorized keys file? |
| 02:04.24 | DJCiP | aiuw - my problem Ubuntu is that i need Perl with the GDBM_File module compiled with Perl - and Unbunt's binaries exclude that module when they compiled it |
| 02:04.27 | cmanns | I'm using etch |
| 02:04.30 | zinx | cmanns: or some crazy may have renamed it |
| 02:04.44 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 02:04.44 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.3 |
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| 02:04.52 | aiuw | DJCiP, it looks like you'll have to compile your own kernel *gasps* |
| 02:04.53 | stew | cmanns: its in backports |
| 02:05.08 | zinx | oh oops, there you go |
| 02:05.10 | nsadmin | noob: just write a key to it |
| 02:05.10 | rgr | noob: just "cat keyfile > authorizedkeysfile" |
| 02:05.18 | streuner | DJCiP: which part of hardware isnt supported? |
| 02:05.27 | zinx | also meant to say sid instead of etch earlier, perhaps i need to sleep at this juncture :P |
| 02:05.41 | DJCiP | well... lets start with my cd drive ? lol so my guess is that SATA controller |
| 02:05.51 | DJCiP | then network card - like the ethernet card |
| 02:05.53 | nsadmin | as long as the juncture is comfortable and has pillows... |
| 02:06.12 | noob | nsadmin: can i use SSH2 without a keyfile? |
| 02:06.12 | DJCiP | um - debian test couldn't see my hard drive |
| 02:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, it could be that it's just refusing because the user's called "ftp"...(although I kind of doubt that) or you mis-typed the password |
| 02:06.25 | cmanns | Shouldn't ssh user@host -X make it x forward? |
| 02:06.32 | noob | auth.log says Server listening on 0.0.0.0 prt 22. is that okay? |
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| 02:06.40 | nsadmin | it did say "illegal user ftp"... |
| 02:06.43 | streuner | DJCiP: did you try a live-CD, like grml (/msg dpkg grml) yet? |
| 02:06.45 | cmanns | lol I was just doing this with my freebsd and openbsd box :S can't get iceweasel to open |
| 02:07.04 | noob | nsadmin/CutMeOwn.. i'll create another user? |
| 02:07.19 | streuner | DJCiP: you could install Debian as well via grml, btw... |
| 02:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, yo shouldn't need any authorized keys... if there is none, you'll be asked for the users password |
| 02:07.29 | DJCiP | aiuw, it wouldn't be a means of compiling my own kernal - that's childs play - compiling custom perl in ubuntu is equivilent to going to hell and coming back |
| 02:07.55 | cmanns | yeah nothing will open |
| 02:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders about the coming back part |
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| 02:08.12 | eekee | Hiya, how do you get info on a package? dpkg -I just reports file not found |
| 02:08.13 | cmanns | echo $DISPLAY returns localhost0.0 |
| 02:08.29 | cmanns | actually its localhost:1.0 |
| 02:08.33 | streuner | DJCiP: another option would be, if the hardware isnt supported, just change it... |
| 02:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | eekee, "dpkg -S package"? or apt-cache show package |
| 02:09.13 | streuner | DJCiP: external DVD for example, any kernel supports external DVD-Reader/Writer |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | eekee: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 02:09.22 | DJCiP | its a laptop? i dont exactly have the souldering skills to do that ? |
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| 02:09.31 | saulus | When using dnsmasq with mac adresses it is possible for unknown clients to get an ip adress over dhcp. How can i prevent that? |
| 02:09.36 | noob | OMG.. we're not getting anywhere. |
| 02:09.43 | saulus | dnsmasq gives the option "read-ethers" but that only works with an ip range. But then it works as a dhcp server for ALL request, the unknown as well. Is there a way to prevent unknown users getting ip adresses with dnsmasq or do i have to install a bind server? |
| 02:09.53 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: what should i try next? |
| 02:10.01 | streuner | DJCiP: laptops or desktop, thats NO difference for external DVD-Reader/Writer |
| 02:10.23 | DJCiP | ok - what about debian not seeing my hard drive? |
| 02:10.29 | DJCiP | or network cards ? |
| 02:10.32 | DJCiP | lol |
| 02:10.40 | DJCiP | pcimca network card i guess |
| 02:10.44 | DJCiP | and external hard drive |
| 02:10.50 | DJCiP | seems a little ridiculous lol |
| 02:10.53 | streuner | DJCiP: just download grml |
| 02:10.56 | DJCiP | kk |
| 02:10.58 | DJCiP | and then what ? |
| 02:11.02 | streuner | DJCiP: /msg dpkg grml |
| 02:11.15 | streuner | DJCiP: you'll see whats supported or not then... |
| 02:11.30 | DJCiP | okk |
| 02:11.30 | saulus | noone any idea? |
| 02:12.21 | DJCiP | okk... |
| 02:12.25 | DJCiP | but... |
| 02:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, how about.. if you don't have another linux box around, do "ssh -v -v -v localhost" that way you can watch what happens when you're using ssh |
| 02:12.35 | DJCiP | i'm still going to need an unstable release |
| 02:12.41 | DJCiP | to get the installer to work |
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| 02:12.49 | DJCiP | i might as well use gentoo and install from source |
| 02:12.53 | DJCiP | :( |
| 02:12.58 | DJCiP | i hate new technology |
| 02:13.07 | DJCiP | i miss my acer - where everything was supported |
| 02:13.14 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't.. okay .. i'll do that and tell you what happens |
| 02:13.15 | saulus | help please. My network is insecure! |
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| 02:13.20 | bush | give it a few months |
| 02:13.22 | stew | DJCiP: which debian installers have you tried? |
| 02:13.23 | DJCiP | and it had an atheros wifi card that was fulling compatible with aircrack |
| 02:13.27 | cmanns | When I run the command with ssh -xV this is what I get when I try to open a app using x, I've tried two different clients |
| 02:13.28 | cmanns | http://rafb.net/p/VezLsk30.html |
| 02:13.33 | cmanns | two different machines |
| 02:13.36 | DJCiP | lastest stable, testing, and unstable |
| 02:13.38 | cmanns | oh interesting it just loaded O.o |
| 02:13.47 | DJCiP | via UNetBootin |
| 02:13.52 | eekee | abrotman: cheers |
| 02:14.03 | cmanns | dang that took like 2mins |
| 02:14.06 | DJCiP | and Unstable is the only one that fully supports my machine |
| 02:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | cmanns, patience is a virtue... |
| 02:14.21 | orzo | hello. I'm trying to install a package in experimental. But apt says that there are dependencies that wont be installed, but it is not saying what dependencies are missing |
| 02:14.25 | cmanns | haha |
| 02:14.30 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: it says "No key of type 2 for host localhost; the authenticity of host 'localhost (127.0.0.1)' can't be established... |
| 02:14.32 | cmanns | CutMeOwnThroat, I wated like 8 mins on this machine |
| 02:15.41 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: it's prompting me for a password.. but i don't know what user it's using :) |
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| 02:15.58 | sputnick | hi there |
| 02:16.08 | streuner | orzo: experimental is a playground for DD's, if you want use it, you are your own... |
| 02:16.20 | DJCiP | aww screw it |
| 02:16.27 | streuner | orzo: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 02:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, the user you're logged in as... else you'd have to say ssh -v -v -v someuser@localhost |
| 02:16.34 | sputnick | I have a fresh install of Lenny, on a Acer aspire 5610 (laptop) but "fn" touch is undetected by system/xev... |
| 02:16.38 | DJCiP | maybe in a year - debian might have a kernal that supports my machine |
| 02:16.47 | streuner | bs |
| 02:16.52 | stew | DJCiP: if unstable supports your machine, so should testing, since they are the same for hardware support |
| 02:17.07 | nsadmin | DJCiP: you can always build yer own |
| 02:17.14 | orzo | streuner: even so, wouldn't apt report what package is missing? |
| 02:17.16 | streuner | you could use every kernel you want in Debian, its another question what work/time you need to install... |
| 02:17.24 | streuner | sure |
| 02:17.41 | streuner | but if it doesnt exist, you have to make that package yourself... |
| 02:17.48 | nsadmin | stew: they don't diverge? |
| 02:17.54 | orzo | yes, but its not even telling me which one doesnt exist |
| 02:18.15 | stew | nsadmin: not in this aspect, currently |
| 02:18.16 | orzo | i was trying to get xorg 1.5 |
| 02:18.22 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: no matter what user, no matter what host, psaswords always fail for me. |
| 02:18.32 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: could the auth be off? |
| 02:18.35 | enouf | xorg is up to 7.z |
| 02:18.40 | enouf | er 7.x |
| 02:18.45 | nsadmin | stew: so it's not true that "they never diverge" |
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| 02:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, apt-cache show <package> and look through the dependencies yourself? |
| 02:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, which user is it? |
| 02:19.12 | enouf | only winblows versions are 1.x :-) |
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| 02:19.27 | stew | nsadmin: they often diverge, just not so much during a freeze |
| 02:19.30 | orzo | enouf: the debian packages are not saying 7.x |
| 02:19.42 | enouf | orzo: debian? what's that? |
| 02:19.55 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: i created a new one called "myftp" |
| 02:19.57 | stoned | ok, I havent yet disconneccted |
| 02:19.58 | stew | nsadmin: the installer should not, the kernel might |
| 02:20.02 | orzo | enouf: do you know where you are? |
| 02:20.12 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: and tried "ssh -v -v -v myftp@localhost" |
| 02:21.15 | JyZyXEL | what was that empty shell? |
| 02:22.33 | JyZyXEL | was it /bin/nologin or something |
| 02:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you can use /bin/false |
| 02:23.03 | noob | JyZyXEL: talking to me? |
| 02:23.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've never ssh seen to fail.. you must have done something rather unusual |
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| 02:24.00 | orzo | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried doin that, i dont see anything missing |
| 02:24.14 | orzo | it says xserver-xorg-core is missing dependencies |
| 02:24.23 | orzo | but i dont see anything |
| 02:24.38 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: how do i start over? |
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| 02:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, perhaps a dependency of a dependency? |
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| 02:25.08 | orzo | thats a large list |
| 02:25.31 | orzo | maybe there's a circular dependency |
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| 02:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, did you change /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 02:25.49 | Sifre | hi |
| 02:25.51 | Sifre | all |
| 02:25.54 | eekee | X has circular deps at compile time |
| 02:25.55 | Sifre | Launch znc now? (yes/no) [yes]: yes |
| 02:25.55 | Sifre | [ ** ] Unable to launch znc [No such file or directory] |
| 02:26.06 | Sifre | znc no start |
| 02:26.07 | Sifre | :( |
| 02:26.27 | Sifre | heyy |
| 02:26.34 | Sifre | in debian vps |
| 02:27.10 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: yes.. i was changing a few things before i connected to #debian and started bugging you guys.. i thought i could figure it out on my own (i can't) |
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| 02:28.23 | Sifre | hey |
| 02:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, well... the radical thing would probably be to do apt-get --purge remove openssh-client openssh-server ssh , then apt-get install ssh (should install all 3 packages again) |
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| 02:29.06 | enouf | orzo: no idea |
| 02:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, else you can see my /etc/ssh/sshd_config here, if you want to compare http://pastebin.com/f5118b70 |
| 02:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, install the things it depends on directly one by one and see what fails... |
| 02:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, and I don't say that's pretty :-P |
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| 02:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, you can use this as a start... apt-cache show PACKAGE |grep Depends | sed 's/Depends/aptitude install/;s/([^)]*)//g;s/,//g' |
| 02:31.36 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: comparing ours.. thanks... |
| 02:31.59 | eekee | Sifre: znc is written in perl isn't it? Is perl all installed & can you run perl from the shell? |
| 02:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | orzo, but still needs some editing for any | alternatives ... maybe some other stuff |
| 02:33.47 | noob | my PermitRootLogin says "yes" |
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| 02:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | noob, that's not a problem... I don't want root to ssh directly into my box... only users are allowed to connect, then have to use su |
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| 02:35.40 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: okay, and my "PermitEmptyPasswords" is yes |
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| 02:36.49 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: my X11Forwarding is no |
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| 02:38.23 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: at the end of the file, it says "AllowUsers root" |
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| 02:39.18 | GRULLIZZLE | is gnash stable now? |
| 02:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha... you should remove that |
| 02:39.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man sshd"... |
| 02:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, sorry |
| 02:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | man sshd_config |
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| 02:41.03 | JordiGH | GRULLIZZLE: Stable? It doesn't crash much. Does it work? Kinda. It works for a lot of flash, but not all. The biggest problem I have with it is that it's a CPU hog. swfdec is sometimes better, sometimes worse. |
| 02:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | AllowUsers root implicitely means all other users are denied access... congratulations |
| 02:41.38 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: let me try and then restart sshd? |
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| 02:43.02 | orzo | CutMeOwnThroat: i beleive the problem is that xserver-xorg-input-evdev/experimental provides xserver-xorg-input-2 when it should be providing xserver-xorg-input. xserver-xorg-core/experimental conflicts with the -2 version |
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| 02:43.39 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: Crap. still getting this in auth.log: localhost sshd[1013]: Failed password for illegal user ftp from 192.168.1.107 port 64367 ssh2 |
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| 02:44.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.10 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat: HOORAY! |
| 02:45.38 | noob | hoists CutMeOwnThroat up on shoulders for victory lap! |
| 02:46.18 | GRULLIZZLE | JordiGH i see. swfdec? i havent tried that one. but why developing a new one instead of join forces with gnu gnash and create a better software? license conlicts or just people being what they are? |
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| 02:47.31 | JordiGH | GRULLIZZLE: Mostly, code ego. gnash and swfdec started out independently. Gnash is in C++, swfdec is in C. Gnash once approached swfdec about merging, and swfdec pretty much said they wanted to take all of the swfdec code and just rename it gnash and that would be the merge. So, no merge, and effort duplication. Such is life. |
| 02:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that kinda sounds familiar |
| 02:49.11 | eekee | JordiGH: how do gnash & swfdec compare on functionality? I got the impression swfdec was more complete, but would like to know for sure |
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| 02:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there he goes |
| 02:50.14 | JordiGH | eekee: swfdec is a bigger CPU hog for me than Gnash, often freezig or locking up with 100% CPU usage. Also, I like gnash's interface better than swfdec. As far as the flash implementation, it's very comparable, with swfdec coming a little on top (and it's not finished, but almost). |
| 02:50.42 | eekee | JordiGH: ah thanks muchly |
| 02:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't read the gor cycle, now did you... |
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| 02:51.49 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Me? |
| 02:52.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, eekee ... but I just see that "muchly" is indeed not unusual in combination with "thank you" |
| 02:52.52 | GRULLIZZLE | JordiGH oic. but why coding on c and c++? isnt python a better option? |
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| 02:53.27 | JordiGH | GRULLIZZLE: Python isn't going to work here; not enough speed. |
| 02:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if you're ever tempted to read it, don't bother with it, except if you enjoy bad english and sadomasochistic fantasies... |
| 02:53.36 | JordiGH | GRULLIZZLE: Already have speed problems as it is with C and C++. |
| 02:53.36 | eekee | CutMeOwnThroat: lol um.. it is (or was) quite a common expression in my part of England :p |
| 02:54.05 | eekee | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, I know enough about it never to read it, ya :-J |
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| 02:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't ... I .. .ahem ... found a rar with some 100 scifi books on the internet and it was in there... |
| 02:55.15 | GRULLIZZLE | JordiGH in wich language is adobe flash player written? |
| 02:55.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | took me a couple of books to figure, though... 'cause it starts out kind of normal |
| 02:55.49 | eekee | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh, understandable *nod* ^.^;; |
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| 02:56.55 | newsense | - |
| 02:57.04 | newsense | +++++ |
| 02:57.07 | newsense | ++++++++++++ |
| 02:57.21 | newsense | +++++++ |
| 02:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, shoot that cat |
| 02:57.56 | newsense | heh sorry |
| 02:57.58 | newsense | :) |
| 02:58.06 | newsense | it was my cat too hahaha |
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| 03:00.16 | keith_ | is there a good reason why I shouldn't cron 'apt-get update' daily? |
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| 03:00.35 | Tekno | no |
| 03:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | keith_, packages that need manual interaction? |
| 03:00.41 | newsense | keith4, for what |
| 03:00.54 | keith_ | CutMeOwnThroat: update, no upgrade |
| 03:01.03 | newsense | yeah for what ? |
| 03:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... |
| 03:01.07 | newsense | makes no sense |
| 03:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | keith_, I think that might already happen... |
| 03:01.19 | keith_ | no |
| 03:01.36 | keith_ | newsense: I have nagios checking if there are security updates... and the "check_apt" plugin has the option to do an 'update' before it checks... but that takes way too long, and it times out |
| 03:01.37 | newsense | like the ubuntu update manager ? |
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| 03:02.04 | keith_ | just on a few servers, not on any desktops. primarily interested in security updates, and acting on them immediately |
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| 03:02.17 | JordiGH | GRULLIZZLE: I guess Adobe flash is in C or C++, but how would we know? |
| 03:02.18 | somnambulant | advice on mounting nfs: hard/soft (safest?), intr?, nolock? ty |
| 03:02.19 | keith_ | (and being told if I forgot to upgrade any servers, automatically) |
| 03:02.40 | newsense | i guess its a personal preference i like to run an update and see what as changed myself |
| 03:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | keith_, no... it might fail a couple of times and send you mail... but that's it - still, you'd need to do the upgrade |
| 03:03.05 | keith_ | right, of course |
| 03:03.16 | keith_ | but it saves me from checking for updates, every day |
| 03:03.30 | newsense | its part of your job |
| 03:03.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see anything wrong with it |
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| 03:04.00 | newsense | like i said its a personal preference |
| 03:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is so weird... the amarok osd goes to the background (behind all windows) after some time |
| 03:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | kinda defeats the purpose of an osd |
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| 03:08.40 | newsense | amarok is ok if you dont use the last.fm suport |
| 03:09.54 | noob | CutMeOwnThroat/Enouf/nsadmin/: thanks guys.. i'm going. but i appreciate everything you guys did today! you all rock. |
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| 03:10.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | eekee, just to wrap that up... the author of the gor cycle was commonly mocked for his bad english - and (although I didn't see that in the first couple of books) the excessive use of the word muchly... like here http://www.rdrop.com/~/wyvern/data/houseplants.html |
| 03:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, what happens if you use that? |
| 03:11.24 | newsense | it adds all the artists from streams to my last.fm profile |
| 03:11.49 | newsense | and if i change streams i have to restart it or it wont play the next stream |
| 03:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't do streams right now |
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| 03:12.29 | aidan | Is there a good guide on server security? I want to make sure our 8 year old server hasn't been compromised, etc. |
| 03:12.32 | newsense | dont even ask in the amarok channel either cause they cant help |
| 03:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should... but in my experience mixing streams and local songs in the same player doesn't work well (it didn't in xmms) |
| 03:13.18 | eekee | CutMeOwnThroat: amusing ^_^ |
| 03:14.29 | newsense | aidan, make backups ! |
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| 03:17.32 | aidan | newsense: we have lots of backups, that doesn't answer my question at all |
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| 03:18.38 | abrotman | aidan: pre or post? |
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| 03:19.14 | nomingzi | can install the Debian CD/DVD for amd64 onto computer with INTEL Core2 processor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2 |
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| 03:22.33 | newsense | aidan, you can have integrity checks but that doesnt help if fils have been compromised , also iptables is a great linux firewall |
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| 03:24.43 | abrotman | nomingzi: yes |
| 03:26.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, I'd file a bugreport, but it's not really reproducible just seems to happen "after some time" ... seems to always happen on the 2nd time I open up a menu (like edit track information) from the playlist... |
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| 03:27.08 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, i havent come across anything like what i experience or else id file one |
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| 03:27.25 | alnayyir | hi guys |
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| 03:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | aidan, hard to make sure of that at a given time... you can run something like tripwire or rkhunter and store MD5 sums to all installed files... which is secure, if you manage to write it to some medium which is read-only whenever you're not installing anything |
| 03:30.24 | shze | I want to connect a beamer to my laptop (thinkpad, testing+x 7.4/server 1.5); typing 'xrandr' shows 'VGA connected', but 'xrandr --output VGA --auto' only makes the beamer show 'unsupported'. how do I get the beamer working? |
| 03:31.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | change the resolution to something the beamer can deal with? |
| 03:31.13 | newsense | aidan, i habe the harden package installed which installs tripwire, tiger, logcheck chkrootkit i also have rkhunter |
| 03:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, perhaps it's connected to the WM (fvwm2 here) |
| 03:31.36 | newsense | its not as easy as just installing it though |
| 03:31.38 | shze | CutMeOwnThroat: laptop screen has 1024x768, beamer should do the same.. |
| 03:31.51 | nsadmin | what's a beamer? |
| 03:32.05 | shze | nsadmin: projector |
| 03:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, the thing scotty uses to transport people... |
| 03:32.14 | nsadmin | ahh, I got one of those :) |
| 03:32.22 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, i wonder, i dont have much to go on though |
| 03:32.29 | nsadmin | I thought it was a BMW |
| 03:33.08 | shze | any idea what could be the reason? |
| 03:33.08 | abrotman | nsadmin: .eu name for a projector |
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| 03:33.29 | newsense | aidan, if your going to use tripwire or another integrity checker it has to be on a system with files that are known to be genuine |
| 03:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... so it's too late if he has doubts now |
| 03:34.18 | nsadmin | some beamers are smaller than 1024x768... |
| 03:34.25 | newsense | yeah i just reinstalled so i could use tripwire and i got the bd on a write protected sd card now :) |
| 03:34.28 | unixSnob | i was in the process of going against abrotman's advice, and screwed up my friends debian box. I replaced "etch" with "lenny" in /etc/apt/sources.list, and ran "aptitude update" then "aptitude dist-upgrade". |
| 03:34.29 | nsadmin | in my case I made sure to get that res |
| 03:34.52 | abrotman | unixSnob: eh what ? |
| 03:35.04 | unixSnob | folks were saying lenny was stable.. what a disaster |
| 03:35.15 | shze | nsadmin: the beamer works with 1024x768 res with other laptops, and my laptop works with that res with an external monitor, only my laptop and the beamer don't work together |
| 03:35.18 | newsense | unixSnob, ? |
| 03:35.24 | nsadmin | unixSnob: it's becoming stable, it's not officially stable yet |
| 03:35.36 | alnayyir | CutMeOwnThroat: MD5 isn't secure anymore. |
| 03:35.37 | newsense | its pretty damn stable |
| 03:35.45 | alnayyir | CutMeOwnThroat: it was cracked by 200 PS3's. |
| 03:35.49 | unixSnob | i get a crapload of errors regarding python and perl |
| 03:36.02 | unixSnob | the gui is trashed |
| 03:36.25 | unixSnob | lenny did however fix the one thing I was trying to fix: youtube videos work |
| 03:36.26 | nsadmin | shze: you mean that when the beamer is on, the laptop screen is off and vise versa? |
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| 03:36.38 | abrotman | unixSnob: the one where you wanted to make flash work so you upgraded ? |
| 03:36.47 | abrotman | unixSnob: what kind of errors ? |
| 03:36.59 | shze | nsadmin: no, the internal screen is on, and I try to clone it to the beamer |
| 03:37.00 | aidan | CutMeOwnThroat, newsense: thanks for the advice ... I guess you're right, if I'm not sure it hasn't been compromised already it's a bit late now |
| 03:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | aidan, there's no telling what a cracker might have done if he's sufficiently sophisticated and/or had enough time... e.g. might have added a kernel module that maybe hides itself and the crackers processes as well as connections to/from those... |
| 03:37.12 | unixSnob | abrotman: yeah, this guy /needed/ youtube, folks were saying to upgrade to lenny, so I did |
| 03:37.19 | abrotman | unixSnob: i told you not to! |
| 03:37.22 | alnayyir | aidan: MD5 hashes have been compromised, they are no longer safe. Move to SHA-1. |
| 03:37.35 | unixSnob | abrotman: well, you told me not to when I was halfway through it |
| 03:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | alnayyir, sounds pretty secure to me |
| 03:37.40 | nsadmin | abrotman: that was the gist of his introduction... |
| 03:37.53 | shze | nsadmin: when I type 'xrandr --output VGA --auto' the beamer output/screen changes from 'no signal' to 'unsupported', so it has some input, but no the correct one |
| 03:38.03 | abrotman | unixSnob: did you follow the part of the instructions where it said to change sources and then immediately install dpkg/aptitude before doing the dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:38.25 | aidan | the standard folders for SSL keys/certs is in /etc/apache/ssl.key, /etc/apache/ssl.cert ? |
| 03:38.26 | alnayyir | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=MD5+compromised |
| 03:38.39 | newsense | adama_, in the future look at tripwire samhain or aide |
| 03:39.05 | unixSnob | abrotman: i don't think so.. I simply changed the sources.list file, the did aptitude update, then aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 03:39.10 | newsense | adama_, if you install them when you can verify integrity of files they are good |
| 03:39.13 | alnayyir | aidan: I recommend tripwire + snort |
| 03:39.15 | abrotman | unixSnob: can you get access to the errors ? |
| 03:39.20 | phlux | Do any of you have printers set up with networking? |
| 03:39.25 | nsadmin | alnayyir: do they have results that allow them to more quickly crack keys, or do they have to apply the same process? |
| 03:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | alnayyir, that's funny |
| 03:39.27 | aidan | alnayyir: I'll look into both of those |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | phlux: printers with their own 10/100 cards you mean ? |
| 03:39.41 | newsense | i use tripwire and its nice |
| 03:39.49 | unixSnob | abrotman: after it failed the first time (3 hours later), I ran aptitude dist-upgrade again, and it made more progress. Then I rebooted and ran it again |
| 03:39.53 | alnayyir | nsadmin: is it really worth chancing it, instead of just moving to SHA-1? |
| 03:40.00 | unixSnob | abrotman: I'm not near that machine right now |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | unixSnob: okay |
| 03:40.06 | alnayyir | nsadmin: flaws have been showing up for years, and this was the final straw. |
| 03:40.14 | phlux | abrotman, no. I want to run Debian on our desktop, which has a printer connected to it, share it with my Debian Laptop, and my Vista laptop. Think it'll be simple? |
| 03:40.29 | alnayyir | phlux: nothing ever is. :P |
| 03:40.34 | phlux | lol |
| 03:40.42 | abrotman | phlux: i don't own a printer .. but i'm told it is :) |
| 03:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | alnayyir, that doesn't change that it sounds pretty secure to me |
| 03:41.08 | newsense | aidan, if you install the harden package itll install tripwire tiger john and checksecurity as well as logcheck |
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| 03:41.43 | newsense | aidan, there will be some tweaking involved but if you are farmiliar with config files youll be fine |
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| 03:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | alnayyir, if the chap's already got a botnet of 200 (2000) machines, I don't think he'd go to the bother of using the whole botnet to fool the md5 sums on my single machine |
| 03:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, ... and it'll also break all kinds of stuff, iirc |
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| 03:43.47 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, only trying to help |
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| 03:44.14 | wald0 | can anybody recommend me raid0 or raid10(,f2) options for performance speed ? |
| 03:44.24 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, he was asking about security, i recommended backups than went on to other measures |
| 03:44.30 | alnayyir | CutMeOwnThroat: well if you have something worth being targeted to begin with, then you have to take into account these kinds of considerations as a matter of fact. |
| 03:44.41 | unixSnob | can lenny be downgraded back to etch by editing sources.list, then running aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 03:44.52 | alnayyir | It's grossly irresponsible not to do otherwise. To call 200 machines a botnet is laughable. That's small fry beyond compare. |
| 03:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | alnayyir, so what... if you got >>100 machines, you're obviously going for the easy catch and not handling every single machine individually |
| 03:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, no |
| 03:46.31 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, so what exactly did i do wrong ? |
| 03:46.47 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat> newsense, ... and it'll also break all kinds of stuff, iir |
| 03:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob, let me phrase this differently: 'ha ha ha' |
| 03:46.57 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: Am i stuck fixing lenny? or can I try going to sid? |
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| 03:47.03 | unixSnob | lol |
| 03:47.06 | abrotman | unixSnob: yes, fix lenny |
| 03:47.11 | unixSnob | k |
| 03:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, doesn't it? I mean installing the harden stuff... I thought a couple of things just stopped working ... |
| 03:47.30 | abrotman | unixSnob: it would be better if we could get the actual errors |
| 03:47.31 | unixSnob | hopefully I'll have time to fix this guys lenny box before I head back to belgium |
| 03:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, and I didn't say you did something wrong - it's just something I'd have mentioned :) |
| 03:47.51 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat, it will remove things yes sorry |
| 03:47.54 | unixSnob | abrotman: if I end up working on his box, I'll be back in here |
| 03:48.03 | abrotman | if? |
| 03:48.10 | abrotman | damn right you will .. bad admin! |
| 03:48.19 | nsadmin | unixSnob: one thing you might do first is BACK UP |
| 03:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... good admins suffer silently |
| 03:48.35 | nsadmin | gass? |
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| 03:48.46 | unixSnob | nsadmin: it's a new installation.. he has no data to back up at this point |
| 03:48.55 | newsense | i recommend things id do and maybe thats not good for the masses ie "noobs" |
| 03:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or just go ahead and erase the users' data... so they do have something to really worry about (BOFH rule III) |
| 03:49.04 | nsadmin | ahh, so you can just blow it away |
| 03:49.14 | unixSnob | nsadmin: I installed etch just days ago, then when everything worked but youtube.com, I switched him to lenny |
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| 03:49.32 | nsadmin | that would be a big move... |
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| 03:49.44 | nsadmin | but I suspect youtube is a moving target |
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| 03:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways... if there's problems in lenny on this machine, he should report the bugs and see how long he can delay the release of lenny with that |
| 03:50.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, as videos generally are (... moving) |
| 03:50.30 | unixSnob | nsadmin: well it actually worked.. youtube works under lenny. It's just that I screwed up his gui among other things in the process |
| 03:50.34 | samplr | is there an option in the kernel config to specify a nfs root for the kernel to use, or do I have to edit a .c file, somewhere? |
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| 03:51.05 | nsadmin | unixSnob: does the client understand the difference between etch and lenny? |
| 03:51.05 | newsense | maybe youtube support should be compiled into the kernel :) |
| 03:51.18 | wald0 | what are the special tricks needed to boot a debian system with a software-raid setup ? |
| 03:51.30 | newsense | than we wouldnt have to hear about every little i cant use youtube problem |
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| 03:51.51 | nsadmin | wald0: a kernel that supports (among other things) software raid |
| 03:52.03 | unixSnob | nsadmin: the client is a Windows user, who just suffered from a virus (he was probably hitting porn sites).. He doesn't know linux |
| 03:52.18 | unixSnob | nsadmin: I'm switching him from XP to linux |
| 03:52.55 | beardy | Just so he can go on with his viri porn. |
| 03:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | wald0, and you have to kill a little kid and spread it's blood in a circle around you at midnight in full moon chanting "raid, raid, raid".... er.. I think I'm confusing that with something else |
| 03:53.32 | nsadmin | unixSnob: hmm. how will he get help if/as/when he needs it if he doesn't understand the basics of where to learn more and even what he has? |
| 03:53.58 | nsadmin | I mean, you could support him... but I like to call this situation a support trap |
| 03:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, easy... he'll send him here... *ARGH* |
| 03:54.20 | nsadmin | I'll be running away about now :P |
| 03:54.22 | unixSnob | nsadmin: he's able to figure stuff out. |
| 03:54.34 | unixSnob | nsadmin: from there, CutMeOwnThroat has a good idea |
| 03:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, see? |
| 03:55.00 | nsadmin | if he does this: |
| 03:55.03 | nsadmin | !grounding |
| 03:55.04 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 03:55.19 | nsadmin | himself, then I would be slower to run away... |
| 03:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | figure stuff out == "I gottaproblem help dis sing doez not werkz, help, help" |
| 03:56.00 | nsadmin | oh, well in that case not run away, but drive away, then get on a jet to cuba... |
| 03:56.21 | unixSnob | he can figure out how to use apps, like k3b, and frostwire, and digikam |
| 03:56.32 | nsadmin | where I'll be happy to have restricted access to the net :) |
| 03:56.59 | unixSnob | he could also handle installing apps if they appear in the synapse app manager |
| 03:57.03 | nsadmin | unixSnob: or you can help him with that... but also suggest the grounding thing |
| 03:57.33 | unixSnob | he just needs me to install difficult things, like hardware, and flash players |
| 03:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | the good thing with the grounding factoid is, that several years pass until anyone has read all that |
| 03:58.21 | nsadmin | hmm, I may have actually meant: |
| 03:58.26 | nsadmin | !fundamentals |
| 03:58.26 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#content |
| 03:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so there's no actual downside to suggest grounding... ever |
| 03:58.42 | nsadmin | but deleting the harsh tone |
| 03:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, anything wrong with viri porn? |
| 04:00.01 | nsadmin | which should be factored out of that factoid... look at it this way: can you actually read somethign like that pointed at you without going into resistance |
| 04:00.02 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 04:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | how is that tone harsh? |
| 04:00.47 | nsadmin | accusatoiry |
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| 04:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno aboot that |
| 04:01.41 | unixSnob | my client has no tolerance for reading.. you folks will need to hold his hand and walk him through each step of whatever he needs |
| 04:01.50 | \amethyst | "you have shown yourself to look ignorant" == "you have lost face" |
| 04:02.02 | \amethyst | s/look ignorant/be ignorant/ |
| 04:02.07 | nsadmin | if the first sentence could be removed, the rest will be useful |
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| 04:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think that's a very harsh tone... on some other channel, someone told another guy "if there were only three words I could say to you, they'd all be 'book'" |
| 04:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that was not even helpful! |
| 04:04.03 | nsadmin | but the fact it's harsh at all is problematic... I'd like to use it in contexts where the first sentence didn't make sense or was untrue |
| 04:04.33 | nsadmin | I don't want to make a factoid called "nice fundamentals" |
| 04:04.34 | abrotman | chances are if a person receives that factoid .. they don't know what ignorant really means anyways :) |
| 04:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you just used it in a context where it did make perfect sense and was oh-so-true :) |
| 04:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | er. |
| 04:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | WHICH factoid are we talking about |
| 04:05.22 | Tramp | "ignorant of foo" is rather different from "ignorant" (is it transitive/intransitive use .... not sure) |
| 04:05.23 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: the guy wasn;'t even here tho, and didn't show anything |
| 04:05.26 | nsadmin | fundamentals |
| 04:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh.. ok, I thought the grounding one |
| 04:05.50 | nsadmin | the grounding one is fine |
| 04:06.23 | nsadmin | maybe a factoid called grounding tutorials |
| 04:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh.. I thought you meant the grounding one, because it does have a stronger tone than that one... |
| 04:06.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: i still don't see why that factoid is unkind .. |
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| 04:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | really "ignorant of [...]" is not in any kind harsh.. |
| 04:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | on the other hand I don't think anything would be lost by removing the 1st sentence |
| 04:08.13 | nsadmin | abrotman: say a user called newguy comes in and says "im a new guy, what can I learn", I don't want to point him at a factoid that could be mistaken as "you just showed your weakness, now read all this stuff" |
| 04:08.16 | Malf | because people have a tendency to take ignorant to mean stupid rather than meaning unaware |
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| 04:08.34 | Tramp | nsadmin: then why not use grounding? |
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| 04:09.05 | Malf | which points the user to ask about fundamentals? |
| 04:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah.. might be a problem because there are a lot of people there not speaks anglish very good |
| 04:09.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: so what .. what's the definition of 'ignorant' ? you're shoving a factoid in their direction that points them at pretty basic stuff .. i'd say they're ignorant .. if they don't understand that word, that's their fault |
| 04:09.20 | nsadmin | because maybe the collection is too big, and I want something smaller, like just the shell, or just unix basics |
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| 04:10.07 | Malf | If it were me I'd change it from ignorant to unaware to skirt the tone issue if the sentence is needed at all |
| 04:10.08 | nsadmin | abrotman: so the implied comparison is between a new person and the seasoned people... and the new person can be unaware just how big that is |
| 04:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's a lot of space in dpkg's database for additional factoids... |
| 04:10.46 | abrotman | nsadmin: then they should probably know that they don't know .. it's not a big deal .. you're the first person i've seen complain about it |
| 04:11.11 | nsadmin | sometimes if a person is being lazy, I'll point him at smart questions, and the page itself has an attitude |
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| 04:11.18 | nsadmin | nothing to be done about the page |
| 04:11.24 | abrotman | so does the internet .. get over it |
| 04:11.25 | unixSnob | "ignorant" has been hijacked to replace "stupid" by folks who are pretencious. Restoring the word to its original meaning has what value? |
| 04:11.55 | nsadmin | unixSnob: but restoring is a very difficult job |
| 04:12.02 | abrotman | just drop it and move it |
| 04:12.04 | abrotman | move on |
| 04:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | change it to unaware if that's what you crave |
| 04:12.34 | jamon | lol pretentious & folk in the same sentence quit a juxtaposition, /me hugs #debian |
| 04:13.16 | nsadmin | yea, james taylor is not a pretentious folk singer |
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| 04:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders how one can typo an on to become an it |
| 04:14.39 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm tired! |
| 04:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | t and n are 3 keys apart! |
| 04:15.24 | unixSnob | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe he's on a dvorak keyboard? |
| 04:15.29 | abrotman | nope |
| 04:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a french one... |
| 04:15.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... that's the same? |
| 04:15.56 | nsadmin | unixSnob: I'll just make the point that it's much easier to use words that don't carry or have not gained connotations you don't want is way way easier than trying to restore original meaning to words that have gained unfortunate connotations |
| 04:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | phew, no it's not |
| 04:16.22 | unixSnob | nsadmin: i agree |
| 04:16.27 | Sifre | hey |
| 04:16.30 | nsadmin | oh, what a typo that was :) |
| 04:16.32 | Sifre | heyy |
| 04:16.34 | abrotman | jesus .. just freaking drop it already |
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| 04:16.49 | Sifre | how to remove znc for reinstall? |
| 04:16.56 | abrotman | aptitude purge foo |
| 04:16.58 | Sifre | heyy |
| 04:17.11 | nsadmin | you could purge it first, that would remove all the configs |
| 04:17.26 | Sifre | how to? |
| 04:17.31 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 04:17.42 | abrotman | nsadmin: see .. deserving person :) |
| 04:17.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:17.47 | Sifre | mv znc.conf vv.conf |
| 04:18.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sifre, abrotman had told you... |
| 04:18.26 | nsadmin | aptitude purge znc |
| 04:18.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... speaking of the devil, as we say |
| 04:21.06 | samplr | is there an option in the kernel config to specify a nfs root for the kernel to use, or do I have to edit a .c file, somewhere? |
| 04:21.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember that question... and it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me |
| 04:21.53 | samplr | CutMeOwnThroat: which part? |
| 04:22.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you want to do this http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-Root.html ? |
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| 04:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2002.. nice that it's so up-to-date and well maintained |
| 04:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, if that's what you want to do - did you look at the nfsboot package? |
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| 04:25.27 | nsadmin | samplr you would specify the root in two places: one, the kernel command line (as it appears in the boot loader) and /etc/fstab |
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| 04:25.57 | nsadmin | nfs root is going to be REALLY slow tho |
| 04:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, this one is actually faster: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Diskless-root-NFS-other-HOWTO.html |
| 04:26.30 | samplr | nsadmin: let's say I don't have an easily-accessable kernel command line |
| 04:26.37 | samplr | nsadmin: it's an embedded device |
| 04:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, not necessarily... I bet it's gonna be fast if you have 10 GB or RAM :) |
| 04:27.07 | nsadmin | well we can agree it's io-bound no matter what |
| 04:27.19 | nsadmin | unless it's local ramdisk |
| 04:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | init=/sbin/init root=/dev/nfs ip=X:Y:195.251.160.254:255.255.255.0:::'off' nfsroot=Y:/usr/local/linux/base vga=0x318 |
| 04:29.36 | nsadmin | you might try vga=ask to get which number you want unless you know 0x318 works for that device |
| 04:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, don't ask me what the X and Y are, I already closed the page :-P |
| 04:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nfsboot |
| 04:36.54 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: nfsboot -- etch: 0.0.13 lenny: 0.0.15 sid: 0.0.15 |
| 04:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny... debget nfsboot give me the bind9utils deb |
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| 04:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | samplr, exactly as I thought... the README in the nfsboot package contains all you could wish for |
| 04:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit also a bit dusty... |
| 04:40.59 | stoned | wow i only disconnected once in last since I tried to fix my networking issue |
| 04:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray |
| 04:41.09 | stoned | yay! |
| 04:41.36 | stoned | I d/c because I reset router but really in fact I didn't lose connection even once |
| 04:41.46 | stoned | so looks like good news for now |
| 04:42.18 | greeq | you r still stoned |
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| 04:43.40 | enouf | samplr: see and file:///etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf and nfs related files in /etc/default |
| 04:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | confetti stoned |
| 04:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 04:44.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confetti stoned |
| 04:44.09 | dpkg | throws loads and loads of confetti all over stoned and shouts "Hooray!". |
| 04:45.00 | enouf | samplr: edit that file, and man update-initramfs |
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| 04:46.02 | greeq | has anyone seen ahmed the dead terrorist? http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDRDzqTu0M |
| 04:46.14 | enouf | Jeff Dunahm! |
| 04:46.27 | enouf | i've posted that before - you copycat! |
| 04:48.05 | enouf | it's 'achmed' you weenie |
| 04:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not funny... why are the people laughing? |
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| 04:51.06 | greeq | maybe they need an excuse |
| 04:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or they paid too much to not enjoy it... |
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| 04:53.08 | bullgard4 | What device is meant by /dev/.static/dev/rfcomm2? |
| 04:53.36 | enouf | bullgard4: /dev/.static/dev is basically udev cache |
| 04:53.52 | bullgard4 | enouf: Ah! Thank you. |
| 04:53.56 | enouf | bullgard4: look into rfcomm{2} |
| 04:55.02 | enouf | bullgard4: see /Documentation/devices.txt |
| 04:55.08 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/devices.txt#L2952 for ex |
| 04:55.11 | supersoundguy | does anyone have dmraid working with an ICH10R? |
| 04:57.45 | enouf | greeq: ~$ bin/youtube.sh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0_-F18ztxg is more like it |
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| 05:00.49 | jbinder | wc |
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| 05:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange guy |
| 05:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | fwiw, WC in German is used as an abbreviation for the restroom |
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| 05:02.59 | greeq | enouf, http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXJyZoaz20 michio kaku u might have seen. |
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| 05:03.40 | greeq | enouf, can u explain that command you gave above. |
| 05:03.43 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAydj4OJnwQ Gig |
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| 05:04.03 | enouf | !tell greeq about youtube script |
| 05:04.10 | amitz | will hostapd work to be an acesspoint with wpa? |
| 05:04.31 | amitz | the latest development I remember, atheros was no longer supported. |
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| 05:05.06 | amitz | I mean: atheros chipset to be an accesspoint with WPA. |
| 05:05.10 | greeq | wow now thats like linux. thanks man |
| 05:05.20 | enouf | ;-) |
| 05:05.45 | jazotic | wc hahah... |
| 05:06.06 | jazotic | it's restroom |
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| 05:08.23 | flexitsch | guten abend |
| 05:08.51 | flexitsch | geht hier noch ordentlich party? |
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| 05:08.58 | jazotic | http://pastebin.com/m23bcbf3f |
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| 05:09.40 | jazotic | sry flexitsch, hat ein wenig gedauert... |
| 05:10.21 | flexitsch | ist hier jemand drin? wenn ja was für eine sprache wird gesprochen? |
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| 05:10.28 | jazotic | engl |
| 05:10.46 | flexitsch | aber die schlafen alle oder wie oder was? |
| 05:10.55 | jazotic | bitte english |
| 05:11.01 | flexitsch | sorry |
| 05:11.05 | flexitsch | i try |
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| 05:11.17 | jazotic | it's abouzt debian |
| 05:11.28 | jazotic | gnu-linux |
| 05:11.30 | jazotic | ? |
| 05:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't say anything worth responding to... :-/ |
| 05:11.49 | jazotic | oh |
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| 05:12.18 | flexitsch | good afternoon |
| 05:13.58 | jazotic | don't want to do that here. |
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| 05:15.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, there is an 'en' factoid... |
| 05:15.32 | greeq | enouf, http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=Z16-LoZRFVo |
| 05:15.37 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daXxPnnc2sQ |
| 05:16.08 | jazotic | hey, everybody knows my love to debian and gnu-linux at all. no need to tell. greez. |
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| 05:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh that sudden silence :) |
| 05:19.47 | JyZyXEL | there is a WM called awesome |
| 05:19.50 | jazotic | CutMeOwnThroat: hey, they are good ones, fix if its borken! |
| 05:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, it's 6:20 in Germany now... whatcha guys doing here at this ungodly time |
| 05:19.54 | JyZyXEL | how awesome is that |
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| 05:20.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, not so, I guess... I removed it a couple of days ago... after not being able to remember when I installed it : |
| 05:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 05:20.43 | jazotic | :) |
| 05:20.43 | supersoundguy | where can I find an HCL for dmraid? |
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| 05:21.18 | jazotic | maybe linux-questions, but would say so |
| 05:21.23 | jazotic | not |
| 05:21.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyperchloric acid? |
| 05:21.31 | jazotic | :) |
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| 05:23.00 | JyZyXEL | i woudln't do apt-get remove awesome |
| 05:23.18 | JyZyXEL | who wants to get rid of awesomeness |
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| 05:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also one called ratpoison... |
| 05:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | how awesome is that... |
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| 05:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | overall there's more wm's than you can shake a stick at |
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| 05:27.42 | jazotic | CutMeOwnThroat: they are press, i guess. got there from radio-utopie.de but mostly german |
| 05:28.01 | nsadmin | is now known as FILLET_OF_SOUL |
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| 05:34.52 | nsadmin | I can shake a stick at every wm! |
| 05:35.33 | kingsley | Why does the "aptitude" command append an "{a}" to the names of packages that it will install? |
| 05:36.28 | kingsley | suspects that aptitude is warning the user that the packages will be installed automatically. |
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| 05:38.31 | tulas | Hello, |
| 05:38.37 | tulas | I dont find autoexpect in my machine... |
| 05:38.43 | tulas | does it come with expect package? |
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| 05:39.56 | nsadmin | !installit |
| 05:39.56 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 05:40.18 | Sazpaimon | is there a way to dump the ram data of a currently running application |
| 05:40.19 | nsadmin | expect is tcl isn't it? |
| 05:40.31 | tulas | ya it almost is |
| 05:40.57 | tulas | i am wondering why autoexpect is put into expect.tar.z |
| 05:41.21 | tulas | but could not be found in my debain |
| 05:41.21 | nsadmin | !info tdom |
| 05:41.42 | tulas | i've ask #tcl...no response |
| 05:41.50 | dpkg | tdom: (A fast XML/DOM/XPath/XSLT extension for Tcl written in C), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.3~20080525-2 (sid), Packaged size: 238 kB, Installed size: 520 kB |
| 05:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell tulas -about search |
| 05:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tulas, guess it's expect-dev: /usr/bin/expect_autoexpect |
| 05:42.21 | nsadmin | .z is very old compression |
| 05:42.30 | nsadmin | predates gzip |
| 05:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | tulas, (and the apt-file part of that is for you) |
| 05:42.37 | tulas | i've done a find / autoexpect -name |
| 05:42.52 | nsadmin | judd, versions tdom |
| 05:42.53 | judd | nsadmin: tdom -- etch: 0.7.8-5 lenny: 0.8.3~20080525-2 sid: 0.8.3~20080525-2 |
| 05:44.13 | tulas | oh |
| 05:44.19 | tulas | apt-file |
| 05:44.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | tulas, no, I meant to use apt-file... and it's not in expect, but in expect-dev and it's called /usr/bin/expect_autoexpect |
| 05:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, well, I thought /proc/PID/mem should contain it... doesn't seem to work for me right now, though |
| 05:45.31 | tulas | yes...i guesss i use apt-file to get expect-dev..then the that expect_autoexpect |
| 05:45.34 | tulas | am i right |
| 05:45.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | "aptitude install expect-dev" |
| 05:46.06 | tulas | oh |
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| 05:46.33 | tulas | how about "apt-get install expect-dev"? |
| 05:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, no, expect is it's own program and ... kind of it's own scripting language ... there's expect/Tk ,though, I think |
| 05:47.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | try it |
| 05:48.05 | JyZyXEL | lol seriosly how the heck does the debian apache2 package work |
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| 05:48.22 | JyZyXEL | the conf file is split into pieces |
| 05:48.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... as it used to be for apache |
| 05:48.50 | JyZyXEL | you used to do all the shit in httpd.conf |
| 05:48.56 | JyZyXEL | back in the good old days |
| 05:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | around perhaps 1995 it was 3 different files... then they merged it |
| 05:49.46 | JyZyXEL | now its like Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load |
| 05:50.00 | JyZyXEL | do i like need to cp all the mods from mods-available to mods-enabled? |
| 05:50.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'd guess debian didn't see the wisdom of this... or they split it again |
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| 05:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, at ~1995 apache2 did... either not exist or was in some alpha stage |
| 05:50.45 | ryanCH | why do some people say there is no future in linux? |
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| 05:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | are these the same people who say linux would just be used by criminals? |
| 05:51.39 | ryanCH | maybe. |
| 05:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I'd say it's because they're ignorant assholes |
| 05:52.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, sounds like you're supposed to mv them |
| 05:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or ln |
| 05:52.57 | JyZyXEL | theres all this linkin thing going on |
| 05:53.03 | stoned | is it possible to amplify the sound? |
| 05:53.19 | stoned | beyond the maximum 100% on the mixer that is |
| 05:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... by soft-mixing |
| 05:53.30 | JyZyXEL | but i don't remember which way ln expects the files |
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| 05:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, simple... the same way as cp |
| 05:53.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, you get clipping at some point, though |
| 05:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, and you mabbe want ln -s |
| 05:55.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, e.g. as in mplayer -af volume=100 yourfile.ogg (take care, horrible clipping a value of 10 or so is saner) |
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| 05:55.48 | JyZyXEL | CutMeOwnThroat it all just fails |
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| 05:56.03 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, i meant in not just mplayer but system wide |
| 05:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, that wouldn't be wise |
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| 05:57.45 | JyZyXEL | To actually enable a module for Apache2, it is necessary to create a symlink in this directory to the .load (and .conf, if it exists) files associated with the module in mods-available/. For example: cgi.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/cgi.load |
| 05:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, there's probably some way to do that via asoundrc... |
| 05:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea... |
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| 05:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, but make sure you used full (or relative) pathnames if you made softlinks |
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| 05:59.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, ln -s will happily create soft-links that point into nowhere if used incorrectly |
| 05:59.42 | JyZyXEL | but i will happily not write paths |
| 05:59.59 | JyZyXEL | i have like alot of modules i would wanna enable |
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| 06:00.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. cd /path/to/my/file; ln -s myfile .. # won't work |
| 06:00.07 | JyZyXEL | its gonna take forever to write them all |
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| 06:00.24 | JyZyXEL | i just tried that and it failed |
| 06:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ln -s $PWD/myfile .. will work, though |
| 06:00.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | as will hard-links |
| 06:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | for i in * ; do echo ln -s $PWD/$i /other/path; done # use output to copy&paste |
| 06:01.56 | Sazpaimon | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah i tried /proc/pid/mem and it gives me a no such process error |
| 06:02.11 | Sazpaimon | which is odd because if there was no such process then there would be no /proc/pid |
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| 06:03.17 | JyZyXEL | o ef this |
| 06:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, how about pagemap |
| 06:03.45 | Sazpaimon | looks like cat that did something |
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| 06:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, it's only a fraction of the total process size, though |
| 06:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, guess you can change the limits as root to make it spit out coredumps, then let it coredump |
| 06:05.12 | JyZyXEL | im boycotting this stupidness |
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| 06:05.26 | JyZyXEL | fuck the modules if their that hard to install |
| 06:05.55 | hardfail | cksfv: lolwat.tar: File too large |
| 06:05.57 | hardfail | uh... |
| 06:06.09 | hardfail | why is debian's cksfv not compiled with 64bit file support??? |
| 06:06.49 | hardfail | why is ANYTHING in debian in 2009 not compiled with 64bit file support?? |
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| 06:09.36 | Guerin | hardfail: what branch of debian? |
| 06:09.54 | averule | hi to all ,i am installing amd64 bit iso in my AMD64 system but it is giving error as this kernel requires an x86-64 but only detected an i686 cpu |
| 06:09.58 | JyZyXEL | what is a 64 bit file support |
| 06:10.19 | Guerin | averule: install i686 |
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| 06:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-mm/2001-05/msg00009.html |
| 06:10.44 | averule | Guerin, but i am having AMD64 system |
| 06:10.55 | Guerin | averule: apparently not. |
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| 06:11.22 | hardfail | Guerin: irrelevant |
| 06:11.25 | Guerin | hardfail: no. |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | hardfail: answer the question. |
| 06:11.33 | averule | Guerin, i dont think so problem in my system configuration |
| 06:11.34 | hardfail | etch? |
| 06:11.47 | averule | Guerin, it is in iso what i created for amd64 |
| 06:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, well, /proc/kcore contains your whole mem... including the process :-/ |
| 06:12.32 | Sazpaimon | ive got 16GB ram |
| 06:12.38 | Sazpaimon | i'd rather not grep though that |
| 06:12.52 | Guerin | hardfail: don't guess. |
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| 06:14.06 | Guerin | averule: you created the iso you're using? |
| 06:14.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, well, would already have been over if you'd done it when you asked :) - don't forget to copy it to HD first, though... else you'll add a pattern each time you grep |
| 06:14.31 | averule | Guerin, yes i have compiled debian-installer |
| 06:14.43 | averule | Guerin, checking using qemu |
| 06:15.07 | Guerin | averule: you're installing it in qemu, not on an actual baremetal system, and are confused that it's completely fucked? |
| 06:15.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sazpaimon, also see http://www.linuxhq.com/lnxlists/linux-kernel/lk_9905_03/msg00095.html |
| 06:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, I installed amd64 in qemu, though... (well, actually not, I took a pre-made system and updated it) - and it's running ok on my 32bit system |
| 06:17.27 | roe_ | I'm trying to get Xforwarding working but whenever I try to run xlcock I get Error: Can't open display: |
| 06:17.57 | averule | Guerin, what is there both are using same cpu ? |
| 06:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, did you run ssh as "ssh -X user@host"? |
| 06:18.05 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: point being that more variables means more fuckups |
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| 06:19.07 | roe_ | yes |
| 06:19.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, also, grep -i X11Forwarding /etc/ssh/sshd_config # on the server system |
| 06:19.35 | roe_ | set to yes |
| 06:19.52 | Guerin | averule: one is virtualising that cpu. THat there is moving parts which can break. Install it on a baremetal system, and if it doesn't work, use the debian build - or build again. |
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| 06:19.56 | roe_ | X11Forwarding yes |
| 06:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, additionally, if you changed that recently, you'll also have to run /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 06:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | (also on the server, obviously) |
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| 06:21.05 | roe_ | same error |
| 06:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you ssh into the machine with ssh -X ... again afterwards? |
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| 06:21.57 | roe_ | assuming that the "Server" doesn't have a gui installed, what X packages need to be installed |
| 06:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | the programs you want to start |
| 06:22.30 | roe_ | and to answer your question yes |
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| 06:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could try if ssh -X -v -v -v user@host tells you anything about it |
| 06:23.11 | averule | Guerin, its tedious job to write and check each and every time builded new iso..is there any way to check? |
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| 06:23.42 | Guerin | averule: if you get it right it isn't tedious. Use a rewritable medium. |
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| 06:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... although it doesn't show me anything useful |
| 06:24.47 | _2 | is sshd known to have issues on lenny ? cause i just upgraded etch to lenny and now my sshd is broken. "stdin: is not a tty" <<< and the client console is frozen there, ? |
| 06:24.56 | roe_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1299955 |
| 06:25.07 | Guerin | _2: no, that shouldn't happen. |
| 06:25.15 | averule | Guerin, i want to customize netboot cd such that i can default add my local repository path in server list what debian gives by default |
| 06:25.17 | _2 | hmmm. |
| 06:25.31 | averule | Guerin, how i can do it? |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | averule: no idea. |
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| 06:27.53 | _2 | according to the host box the ssh connection was successful, i can see the logged in shell. but the client can't do anything. even job control is busted on that tty |
| 06:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, well, looks like it works... ok, now we're in the stupid-stuff section - bash, I guess? check if .bashrc / .profile / /etc/bash* (un)set DISPLAY |
| 06:28.07 | Guerin | _2: it's not a tty :() |
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| 06:28.14 | hardfail | Guerin: so? |
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| 06:28.20 | _2 | Guerin but it is. |
| 06:28.45 | Guerin | hardfail: so what? Do you know what branch you're running? You seemed unsure. |
| 06:28.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, you normally get that when calling something like "ssh host bash" |
| 06:28.53 | roe_ | CutMeOwnThroat, xbase-clients is the package that needs to be installed |
| 06:28.58 | roe_ | now it is working |
| 06:29.07 | hardfail | Guerin: i told you etch, with a question mark to empahsize that its highly irrelevant |
| 06:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does? |
| 06:29.22 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat i'll try adding /bin/sh to see if it helps |
| 06:29.23 | Guerin | hardfail: it's relevant because etch was released in april 2007, not in 2009. |
| 06:29.35 | Guerin | hardfail: so perhaps you should consider an upgrade. |
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| 06:30.01 | hardfail | what |
| 06:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, no, I mean you get similar behavior (at least some weirdness) when you call it with the shell as an argument - does ssh -t host work? |
| 06:30.32 | hardfail | Guerin: Debian etch Release Information |
| 06:30.33 | hardfail | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r6 was released December 18th, 2008. The release included many major changes, described in our press release and the Release Notes. |
| 06:30.58 | hardfail | i dont see how this turns into "april 2007" |
| 06:31.12 | Guerin | hardfail: that was a security release which didn't change the versions of any packages. It just fixed security bugs. All the functionality is per the original release, 8 april 2007. |
| 06:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, ha, ok - now it makes sense... that package contains xauth ... I never thought of that |
| 06:31.16 | \amethyst | what's cksfv? |
| 06:31.16 | Guerin | !meaning of stable |
| 06:31.17 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 06:31.31 | greeq | enouf, thanks for trower. |
| 06:31.54 | Guerin | (i agree that thet nstatement on the release page is a bit misleading) |
| 06:32.57 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat nothing seems to work. even adding -t i'll pastebin -v output. it's really strange it's like it's connecting correctly but detaching the client as soon as the connection is made |
| 06:32.58 | \amethyst | "The release included many major changes" is supposed to be referring to Etch (4.0), not 4.0r6 specifically |
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| 06:34.24 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat http://pastebin.com/f58ac0b7d |
| 06:35.07 | \amethyst | _2: how are you running ssh? |
| 06:35.26 | _2 | console command ssh user@ip |
| 06:35.41 | _2 | \amethyst in that pastebin i added -v |
| 06:36.03 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:36.12 | \amethyst | something in your .bashrc maybe? |
| 06:36.48 | \amethyst | _2: or does it also happen when you use -t and run a command? |
| 06:37.00 | _2 | it's a good thing that both boxes are within reach cause each time i run ssh it hangs that console. but simply killing the pid of the sshd session on the host frees it up. |
| 06:37.10 | _2 | \amethyst -t == all the same |
| 06:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, did you go through http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=%22stdin+is+not+a+tty%22+ssh ? |
| 06:37.46 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat no. i will. but thing is it worked fine before the upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 06:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it probably was before sarge... |
| 06:38.28 | \amethyst | _2: hm. |
| 06:38.37 | \amethyst | _2: is /dev/pts mounted? |
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| 06:39.18 | _2 | yep |
| 06:39.25 | _2 | on the client it is |
| 06:39.34 | \amethyst | on the server |
| 06:39.42 | _2 | no |
| 06:39.47 | \amethyst | that's a problem |
| 06:40.02 | _2 | it wasn't before the upgrade either though |
| 06:40.08 | _2 | so what changed ? |
| 06:40.49 | \amethyst | different libc version, could be that some kind of legacy support was removed |
| 06:41.01 | \amethyst | mount /dev/pts and see if it starts working |
| 06:41.16 | _2 | i just mounted it on the host lets see |
| 06:41.34 | _2 | that was it. |
| 06:41.48 | _2 | wierd that it should require that. |
| 06:42.07 | \amethyst | /dev/pts is the modern method for allocating pseuod-ttys |
| 06:42.21 | _2 | k i'm putting a line in fstab |
| 06:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... damn you, I also was on that trail :) |
| 06:42.51 | \amethyst | there used to be /dev/ttyp0 /dev/ttyp1 etc but those have gone away |
| 06:43.33 | _2 | i see. using static device nodes i could replace them i guess |
| 06:44.27 | \amethyst | it might be that the new libc doesn't even try to use /dev/ttyp0 anymore |
| 06:44.29 | _2 | oh my either my editor or my fstab is hosed... has lots of <---->blah<----> in it... |
| 06:44.29 | \amethyst | I don't know |
| 06:45.16 | _2 | looks like the newer "mc" fills tabs with that crap, i'll also have to fix that. |
| 06:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | roe_, gah, should have done /msg dpkg sshx before |
| 06:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... |
| 06:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kitty |
| 06:47.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, kitty is the best kitty that soviet has |
| 06:47.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo kitty |
| 06:47.46 | dpkg | kitty -- created by Soviet <eastman99@dial-78-max-01.mpvt.together.net> at Sat Apr 28 05:37:02 2001 (2809 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 5s ago. |
| 06:47.51 | _2 | anyone know why upgrading from etch to lenny removed gnome and xserver* ? |
| 06:47.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | does anyone ever remove crap from the factoid database? |
| 06:49.24 | \amethyst | _2: aptitude why-not gnome might tell you |
| 06:49.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, aptitu......... |
| 06:49.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, damn you! |
| 06:49.58 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll go have a cig, have fun :) |
| 06:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, I give up |
| 06:50.23 | _2 | \amethyst k i'll give a look. rebooted with the line for /dev/pts in fstab, and guess what, i'll have to put a 'mkdir' command some place. the dir is not there |
| 06:51.14 | Tapout | how can I identify which pid is causing the most io? |
| 06:51.16 | _2 | thinks it would be easier to not use udev and have static device nodes |
| 06:51.28 | _2 | iotop ? |
| 06:51.37 | greeq | can this youtube script work on internet free televisions as well? enouf |
| 06:51.41 | _2 | err that's probably not the name |
| 06:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2 it is! |
| 06:52.16 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat whata ya know, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then |
| 06:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also in the iotop package (surprise, surprise) |
| 06:53.59 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, aptitude search iotop ; nothing |
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| 06:55.00 | Tapout | hrm, i see it |
| 06:55.07 | _2 | Tapout it's in lenny. i just grabbed it |
| 06:55.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions iotop |
| 06:55.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: iotop -- lenny: 0.2-3 sid: 0.2-3 |
| 06:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, only in lenny... look at backports |
| 06:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Tapout -about bpo |
| 06:56.54 | _2 | also i would like to point out to the developers that using "chown root.*" in post[inst,rm] scripts breaks miserably if the superuser account name is not "root" ! |
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| 06:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is why renaming root is an extremely stupid idea :) |
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| 06:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried that about 10 years ago and it didn't work |
| 06:57.42 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not in backports, I see in lenny. I tried installing the deb package on etch, but complains that python is too old. I guess I'll source compile |
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| 06:57.52 | _2 | perhaps using numeric values in scripts would be a more inteligent move too |
| 06:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:58.36 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat did you just call me "extremely stupid" ? |
| 06:58.48 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, does that work for etch as well? |
| 06:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, you mean for lenny? :) yes... it should generally work (except of course, if you just cannot fulfill the build dependencies) |
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| 07:00.22 | Tapout | I'm running etch. If I add the deb-src line for lenny, it'll work? |
| 07:00.25 | Tapout | or even sid |
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| 07:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti |
| 07:00.38 | dpkg | Why don't you try it? |
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| 07:02.00 | _2 | aptitude why-not gnome |
| 07:02.00 | _2 | Unable to find a reason to remove gnome. |
| 07:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 07:02.24 | _2 | Unable to find a reason to remove xserver-xorg. |
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| 07:02.56 | _2 | pfft maybe it just doesn't like a gui much more than i do </shrugs_too> |
| 07:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... aptitude why gnome |
| 07:03.22 | _2 | i desktop-base Suggests gnome | kde | xfce4 | wmaker |
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| 07:03.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, got that too... but I don't have the gnome metapackage installed either :) |
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| 07:03.46 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, does anyone know of that one financial app that was the "de-facto" financial app on linux ~10 years ago. i can't think of the name. i'm looking for something to manage my budget |
| 07:03.58 | mick_laptop | oh, it just came to me -- gnucash :) |
| 07:03.59 | Tapout | gnucash or something? |
| 07:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... |
| 07:04.11 | mick_laptop | yup, that was it |
| 07:04.44 | mick_laptop | funny when you write something down and hit <enter> then go "oh wait... i remember" :) |
| 07:04.47 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat ;/ idk |
| 07:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, just install it again... who knows for what weird reasons metapackages sometimes get lost |
| 07:05.19 | mick_laptop | i haven't using it since 10 yrs ago, anyone have another recommendation? |
| 07:05.37 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat i'm on dialup :((( |
| 07:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, wait, you said you lost X? Well, there's the reason why gnome was removed... |
| 07:05.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | now why did X go... |
| 07:06.19 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat exactly. and odd thing is i still have "startx" but no xorg* |
| 07:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mick_laptop, seems there's also "homebank" now |
| 07:06.36 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, if I already had .. deb-src for ... etch, how do I make sure it's gonna use lenny? |
| 07:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tr0gd0r, -t lenny |
| 07:07.45 | _2 | what's the meta package for xorg minimal ? |
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| 07:08.21 | mick_laptop | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll check it out - thanks |
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| 07:08.33 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, I tried .. /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk:183: *** invalid setting in 'debian/pyversions'. Stop. <-- |
| 07:08.58 | ppq | _2, xorg |
| 07:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops... how did Tr0gd0r get in there |
| 07:09.42 | _2 | ppq maybe. i was thinking x-window-system-core or something |
| 07:10.10 | ppq | _2, http://packages.debian.org/etch/xorg |
| 07:10.25 | _2 | ppq lenny |
| 07:10.35 | _2 | k ty. |
| 07:10.40 | ppq | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xorg :) |
| 07:10.44 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/md1999d3 |
| 07:10.50 | ppq | np |
| 07:11.14 | _2 | yeah i assumed |
| 07:12.13 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, in this case... what would you do? |
| 07:12.16 | _2 | 33 minutes dl and xorg should work again. |
| 07:12.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, did you do the stuff from the factoid? do you have all needed build dependencies? |
| 07:12.42 | mick_laptop | anyone know how i can see if my bittorrent connections are throttled or blocked by my isp? |
| 07:13.13 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, etch doesn't have the most recent python |
| 07:13.19 | Tapout | i did exactly what it said, crapped out with python version |
| 07:13.23 | averule | hi to all, i am getting error dpkg-checkbuilddeps: failure:cannot read debain/control: no such file or directory |
| 07:13.27 | mick_laptop | my d/l speed is 0.3 kb/s which just seems messed up |
| 07:13.28 | Tapout | build-dep didn't complain either |
| 07:13.35 | Tapout | mick_laptop, shaw cable? :) |
| 07:13.50 | mick_laptop | comcast |
| 07:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions python |
| 07:14.43 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 |
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| 07:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
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| 07:15.01 | Tapout | in these cases, do you just source compile? |
| 07:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions python-2.5 |
| 07:15.16 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: python-2.5 -- |
| 07:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions python2.5 |
| 07:15.34 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: python2.5 -- etch: 2.5-5+etch1 etch-security: 2.5-5+etch1 lenny: 2.5.2-14 sid: 2.5.2-14 experimental: 2.5.3-1~exp1 |
| 07:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, iotop requires python 2.5 which is in etch |
| 07:16.12 | Tapout | oh install python2.5 , i see |
| 07:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, apt-get build-deps iotop should have done that! |
| 07:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | build-dep |
| 07:17.32 | Tapout | I did that |
| 07:17.59 | Tapout | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 07:18.01 | _2 | does gnome need "gnome-vfs-daemon" to function ? |
| 07:18.29 | thetank | hello dusers |
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| 07:19.13 | arnuld | my friend has bought an ASUS mobo with Intel G41 VGA chipset |
| 07:19.34 | arnuld | he can't run X at the native resolution of the LCD, 1680x1050 (Samsung T220) |
| 07:19.49 | arnuld | I tried runing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:19.58 | thetank | I have a problem. When I download something at full speed my gnome desktp crashes. I tried irqpoll on kernel line. But I still don't know how to fix this |
| 07:20.07 | arnuld | but then it does not ask anything for monitor, no horizSync, no resolution selection |
| 07:20.10 | arnuld | why so? |
| 07:20.37 | _2 | so 'gnome-vfs-daemon' is used by the panel crap ? |
| 07:20.44 | arnuld | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , on my system asks for resolution and refresh rates I need but not his system :-\ |
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| 07:21.08 | thetank | arnuld: edit your xorg file. |
| 07:21.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, the error seems to come from /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk |
| 07:21.19 | arnuld | thetank: ehat to edit ? |
| 07:21.23 | arnuld | what* |
| 07:21.34 | thetank | ill be more definiate in one sec |
| 07:21.35 | thetank | brb |
| 07:21.43 | arnuld | cool 8-) |
| 07:22.21 | ppq | _2, it's a kind of interface to mount (via dbus). could be useful |
| 07:22.26 | _2 | what happened to my "debian" menu ? |
| 07:22.48 | _2 | ppq it keeps restarting, it's eating resources |
| 07:23.06 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm just gonna source compile, or whatever the steps are.. I've never bothered with python scripts before... but it will be easier than to track down this. I saw others complaining about this same issue with python |
| 07:23.16 | thetank | arnuld: type in terminal, sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf and change resolution near the bottom of the file |
| 07:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, you ARE compiling from source this way |
| 07:23.47 | Tapout | it won't run on 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 07:23.51 | Tapout | it needs 2.6.20 |
| 07:24.06 | Tapout | Iotop is a Python program with a top like UI used to show of behalf of which process is the I/O going on. It requires Python = 2.5 and a Linux kernel = 2.6.20. |
| 07:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, ok... that's a good reason why it won't run... |
| 07:24.47 | Guerin | Tapout: install the 2.6.26 kernel from lenny |
| 07:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, only the error doesn't reflect this |
| 07:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and probably also isn't caused by it |
| 07:25.08 | Guerin | (or a kernel from etchnhalf) |
| 07:25.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, yes... but that doesn't help against the failed backport |
| 07:25.54 | arnuld | thetank: that does not help. I added 1680x1050 but it always picks up 1280x1024 automatically |
| 07:26.29 | arnuld | thetank: any idea about which Linux driver for intel G41 chipset ? |
| 07:26.38 | arnuld | thetank: may be the driver is the problem |
| 07:26.39 | thetank | replace 1280x1024 with 1680x1050 |
| 07:26.40 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, it's not only me.. : http://www.sid3windr.be/archives/425/iotop-on-debian-etch |
| 07:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | arnuld, I dunno, I have a much older intel card and that needed the 915resolution package to patch the bios... |
| 07:26.52 | arnuld | thetank: I did and that doe snot work |
| 07:26.59 | thetank | did you restart x? |
| 07:27.13 | arnuld | y |
| 07:27.27 | thetank | arnuld: to use the new resolution |
| 07:27.49 | thetank | arnuld: log out, and press ctrl alt backspace |
| 07:27.55 | thetank | then log back in |
| 07:28.00 | arnuld | I amusing startx anyway |
| 07:28.00 | thetank | that restarts xc |
| 07:28.05 | thetank | yea |
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| 07:28.31 | arnuld | running Xorg-configure says (in xorg.conf.new) it will use a driver named "fbdev" but when I put this as /etc/X11/xorg.conf it says "/dev/fb0" does not exist |
| 07:28.40 | arnuld | Xorg -configure |
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| 07:29.02 | beardy | !drxx arnuld |
| 07:29.02 | dpkg | arnuld: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 07:29.32 | beardy | !restartx |
| 07:29.32 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 07:29.39 | arnuld | beardy: I did use dpkg-reconfigure and it did not even ask me for my refresh rate and resolution |
| 07:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, I think it's a problem in /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk, i.e. the cdbs package... |
| 07:29.55 | beardy | arnuld: No, its all automagic nowadays. |
| 07:29.58 | arnuld | beardy: while on my own system, it does ask me. |
| 07:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, at least that's what's creating this not-too-meaningful error |
| 07:30.13 | arnuld | Oh.. SHIT |
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| 07:30.26 | arnuld | he is using Ubuntu 8.10 , I am using Debian Etch |
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| 07:30.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, which is pretty much at the core of things :) |
| 07:30.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | arnuld, there... you found the mistake :-P |
| 07:31.25 | arnuld | but doesn't dpkg-reconfigure run same as on Ubuntu as on Debian ? |
| 07:31.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should we know |
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| 07:32.15 | arnuld | I am sure intel g41 is supported in Linux: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjcxNA |
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| 07:32.37 | Hemebond | Hi everyone I asked this in #ubuntu already but this is probably a more appropriate place. Why is the default root for Apache2 /var/www instead of /srv ? |
| 07:33.07 | simonrvn | arnuld: not quite. ubuntu runs it at high, and debian at medium priority (debconf). not to mention any patches.... |
| 07:33.16 | simonrvn | default prios anyway |
| 07:33.35 | criten | Hemebond: because all userlands are different |
| 07:33.40 | simonrvn | always gets around to do dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 07:33.41 | criten | thats just how debian/ubuntu do it |
| 07:33.48 | criten | if you don't like it, change it? |
| 07:34.16 | Hemebond | criten: I'm just curious about it, that's all. |
| 07:34.25 | \amethyst | Hemebond: there was a discussion about this on debian-devel a few months ago |
| 07:34.30 | simonrvn | criten, Hemebond: because suexec has /var/www you'll need the suexec-custom package |
| 07:34.40 | criten | Hemebond: on freebsd for example... I believe its /usr/local/share/www |
| 07:34.47 | arnuld | Hemebond: well, it is /var/www in my office (CentOS 4.5 ) |
| 07:34.49 | criten | as I say, all userlands are different |
| 07:34.54 | Hemebond | I was sent http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM when I asked about where to put my svn repo on my server, so I was curious about Apache. |
| 07:35.22 | criten | simonrvn: curious... cause suexec works on freebsd... |
| 07:35.22 | \amethyst | Hemebond: I think one reason was so that the packaging system never touches /srv |
| 07:35.24 | arnuld | so anyone knows anything about Intel G41 ? |
| 07:35.28 | arnuld | drivers ? |
| 07:35.29 | simonrvn | yeh, that's the fhs, filesystem heirarchy standard |
| 07:35.34 | beardy | Hemebond: Personally I let installed things have their bits in /var/www, and thing I control myself in /srv/www (/srv/protocolname) |
| 07:35.50 | simonrvn | criten: it's built-in, build-time option sets it |
| 07:36.03 | criten | :) |
| 07:36.24 | simonrvn | beardy: so you have /srv/https ? :P |
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| 07:37.08 | beardy | simonrvn: s/protocolname/commonnameofservice,usuallyprotocolbutnotalways/ |
| 07:37.19 | simonrvn | just teasing ya hehe |
| 07:37.27 | beardy | ;) |
| 07:37.55 | stew | you can make udev create a /srv/interwebz symlink for you |
| 07:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, what happens when you go to the iotop directory and call make -f /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk |
| 07:38.40 | simonrvn | dat udev be teh handeh |
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| 07:39.04 | beardy | stew: What was the name of the supybot you run, with that repository database plugin? |
| 07:39.13 | ryanCH_ | ok, i put "exec startkde", in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 07:39.13 | Hemebond | What's the best way to give www-data read/write to a users directory without the user having to explicitly set the permissions each time? I've tried a whole lot of stuff with the S bit thing, but nothing worked; at least not when I made directories as root. |
| 07:39.15 | beardy | simonrvn: Can also be quite annoying.. |
| 07:39.18 | simonrvn | judd |
| 07:39.19 | ryanCH_ | but when i do "startx" at the cmd line, gnome starts |
| 07:39.26 | beardy | Ah. |
| 07:39.26 | ryanCH_ | why is this? |
| 07:39.38 | simonrvn | ryanCH_: why are you putting that there? |
| 07:39.49 | ryanCH_ | so when X starts kde does |
| 07:39.53 | simonrvn | !/.xsession |
| 07:39.53 | dpkg | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 07:40.07 | cads | can a debian system be practically rebuilt from source, a-la gentoo? |
| 07:40.30 | simonrvn | a la |
| 07:40.39 | simonrvn | yes, but i don't see the point |
| 07:40.51 | beardy | Not practically no. But if you like to do things just because, it's possible of course. |
| 07:41.14 | cads | beardy, I don't :D, and simonrvn, I don't see a point either, just wondering |
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| 07:41.40 | cads | apt-build will compile source packages, I know, but I don't think it would do the equivalent of gentoo's emerge world |
| 07:41.55 | simonrvn | not meant to either |
| 07:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, gives me /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/python-distutils.mk:76: *** package uses the new Python policy; DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM must be set to "pysupport" or "pycentral". Stop. |
| 07:42.34 | simonrvn | there's no /etc/make.conf for instance (thinking *bsd here) |
| 07:42.37 | cads | how do we build debian for a new platform where the c compiler and other necessary things have been bootstrapped? |
| 07:43.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | using some type of crosscompiler? |
| 07:43.16 | simonrvn | well if you have a working glibc, toolchain, that's a start. you start building. |
| 07:44.02 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't have a local box to test on. This is production so I just quit. My local box has iotop (lenny) .. i can't install etch on the hardware cause it needs something from lenny.. i can't remember what, so I just am gonna skip the iotop stuff ... on this box |
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| 07:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tapout, yeah... probably wise - on the other hand, if your heart hangs on it, you could go to lenny sometime now, as it's close to being stable anyways... apt-listbugs is also useful to automatically warn you about problems (but not sure how well that does with a full upgrade... I think it waited at least until things were downloaded(?) until it warned) |
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| 07:47.09 | Tapout | CutMeOwnThroat, i've just got about 2.5MB/sec going on my sda, I wanted to identify the pid.. iotop would have been sweet but not worth the effort |
| 07:47.43 | Tapout | i may go to lenny with the box.. but I've got 'storman' running from my isp... I wonder if that'll get effected |
| 07:47.57 | Tapout | /usr/Storman/* for adaptec, |
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| 07:49.17 | my007ms | any tool like system-config-network for debian ? |
| 07:50.07 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 07:50.07 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
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| 07:51.29 | my007ms | beardy yes can do all this but i need tool someone to make it easy for him :) |
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| 07:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know a tool ... "man interfaces" |
| 07:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 07:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it *is* quite easy when following the examples... |
| 07:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are more in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 07:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:58.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it really boils down to enter 6 lines into a file for a static IP setup... 2 for dhcp.. |
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| 08:00.34 | _2 | ok i'm turning off every thing that can be turned off and lenny is still slow. |
| 08:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... both were already in the factoid.. why do I bother |
| 08:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, factoids are better anyways |
| 08:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !slow |
| 08:01.23 | dpkg | hmm... slow is ask me about dma, or ask me about nsswitch |
| 08:01.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 08:02.20 | _2 | no. slow is system hangs for a few seconds while the kernel chases its tail. "with nothing running" |
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| 08:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, top |
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| 08:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | look for IO |
| 08:03.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | here we come back to iotop, btw :) |
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| 08:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, if it's an older system dma is still a very good bet |
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| 08:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems on the new sata drives you can't switch dma off, so it's not a possible source anymore |
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| 08:05.25 | user_corrupt | how do I open port 80? |
| 08:05.31 | _2 | i/o == 0 |
| 08:05.56 | _2 | user_corrupt install a web server |
| 08:06.10 | _2 | apache or cherokee or something |
| 08:06.14 | user_corrupt | well, apache is running |
| 08:06.20 | user_corrupt | i can acces local host |
| 08:06.34 | _2 | then the port is open, what are you really asking ? |
| 08:06.43 | user_corrupt | but when i try and access from my external ip it wont accept it |
| 08:06.48 | user_corrupt | heh, cause im a noob |
| 08:07.00 | _2 | not why! what! |
| 08:07.01 | user_corrupt | i have the port forwarded |
| 08:07.11 | user_corrupt | heh, sorry, im tired as well |
| 08:07.22 | user_corrupt | i was asking about firewall |
| 08:07.35 | _2 | !firewall |
| 08:07.36 | dpkg | firewall is probably a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 08:08.13 | simonrvn | ...reconfigure sshd to run on a different port |
| 08:08.53 | _2 | simonrvn whom ? |
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| 08:09.29 | simonrvn | just adding to that factoid |
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| 08:10.32 | user_corrupt | so im looking for a way to open port 80 on my firewall, since i assume that is what is blocking me from accessing from external ip |
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| 08:11.14 | simonrvn | port 80, out, or in? |
| 08:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, "grep -i bindaddress /etc/apache/*"? |
| 08:11.21 | user_corrupt | thanks |
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| 08:11.51 | simonrvn | i'd assume your isp blocking it, actually.... |
| 08:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, should say BindAddress * |
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| 08:12.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, the dastard! |
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| 08:13.04 | _2 | anyone know where to put a dev/ so that mkinitramfs will include it ? |
| 08:13.08 | _2 | off hand ? |
| 08:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, make that grep -i bindaddress /etc/apache*/* (... I guess it's the same for apache2) |
| 08:13.32 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 08:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, well, what does it SAY? |
| 08:13.48 | simonrvn | _2: put a dev/ ? |
| 08:13.52 | user_corrupt | heh, one sec im slow |
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| 08:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, but should be ok if nobody messed with it... |
| 08:14.12 | _2 | simonrvn yes i would like to include some static device nodes |
| 08:14.53 | user_corrupt | hmmm, doesnt say anything |
| 08:15.01 | _2 | simonrvn actually i would prefer not needing to use an init*.img at all. but i don't want to start dl'ing kernel source on dialup |
| 08:15.03 | simonrvn | mknod in a script should do |
| 08:15.28 | simonrvn | /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 08:15.36 | user_corrupt | nothing from terminal, and connection is still refused |
| 08:15.41 | _2 | simonrvn yes but it's not needed if i can recall where to put the dev/ dir |
| 08:16.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, so this is apache2? |
| 08:16.06 | simonrvn | it's a temp dir, you can't |
| 08:16.15 | user_corrupt | yeah |
| 08:16.18 | _2 | simonrvn i have before |
| 08:16.26 | simonrvn | when the generator script is run, it creates a temp dir |
| 08:16.35 | simonrvn | it's then wiped |
| 08:16.40 | _2 | simonrvn i removed udev |
| 08:16.49 | _2 | it's not wiped |
| 08:16.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, then look in... well how about /etc/apache2/ports.conf - should say NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 08:16.52 | simonrvn | udev r not |
| 08:16.54 | simonrvn | or |
| 08:17.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 08:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, and Listen 80 ... I guess |
| 08:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I don't use apache2) |
| 08:17.31 | _2 | simonrvn i think in /usr/share/ something |
| 08:17.42 | _2 | anyway i'm looking |
| 08:18.08 | simonrvn | i've done this before, this sort of initramfs customizing. |
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| 08:18.37 | user_corrupt | yes, ports.conf says listen 80 |
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| 08:19.24 | _2 | simonrvn exactly this sort of customizing yes |
| 08:20.08 | simonrvn | not a device file, but copying stuff like fsck_jfs and such into it |
| 08:20.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | user_corrupt, looks ok... ha, stupid me - netstat would've been easier... something like netstat -an |grep ':80 .*LISTEN' |
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| 08:21.11 | _2 | simonrvn i have put a custom static /dev/ into the initramfs.img before, and will again as soon as i remember where i put it so it would build in. |
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| 08:23.05 | simonrvn | as for doig it via udev, i had to modify one of the udev scripts in /etc/initramfs-tools/ , and moved it up so the device files would get created sooner. |
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| 08:23.35 | _2 | yeah been that route too. don't like udev tho |
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| 08:23.55 | simonrvn | i don't either. i'm old skool that way ;p |
| 08:23.56 | _2 | prolly cause i don't like configuring it "the right way" |
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| 08:24.16 | simonrvn | esp. on something critical. |
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| 08:24.21 | _2 | yep |
| 08:24.44 | _2 | automatic == more ways to break and less information about how it broke |
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| 08:27.37 | alcohol | mornin' all |
| 08:28.36 | ryanCH | i made a file in my home dir, ".xinitrc" containing "exec startkde" but when i do "startx" it starts gnome |
| 08:28.57 | ryanCH | i thought it as supposed to override the other scripts |
| 08:29.03 | bolt-work | .xsession |
| 08:29.31 | simonrvn | _2: yeh, potentially |
| 08:29.38 | ryanCH | .xsession in my home dir |
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| 08:29.40 | ryanCH | ? |
| 08:29.42 | bolt-work | y |
| 08:30.01 | simonrvn | ~/.xsession like i told you hours ago |
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| 08:32.00 | hatter | how do i make tightvncserver not dither the graphics ? |
| 08:32.34 | bolt-work | hatter: that's client-side. set max quality |
| 08:32.55 | hatter | bolt-work, ah, thx |
| 08:33.06 | bolt-work | it will be slower, though |
| 08:33.21 | hatter | bolt-work, yep, its ok, its on lan |
| 08:33.31 | bolt-work | ok then |
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| 08:34.50 | Hemebond | Is permission inheritance broken in Debian/Ubuntu? |
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| 08:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | morning alcohol |
| 08:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds dreadful |
| 08:36.15 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: what type of permission inheritance? |
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| 08:36.22 | Guerin | Hemebond: debian, no. Ubuntu, no idea (but I'd be shocked if it were) |
| 08:36.32 | Guerin | presumes filesystem |
| 08:36.47 | Hemebond | I'm trying to get group ownership and permissions to automatically inherit. I keep reading these articles and tutorials but they don't work. |
| 08:37.07 | Hemebond | I set +s bits and +t bits, but files and directories fail to have the +w bit for groups. |
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| 08:37.29 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: g+s for directories changes the group of files; it doesn't change the umode |
| 08:37.33 | \amethyst | Hemebond: setgid *only* affects the group ownership, not the permissions |
| 08:37.50 | Hemebond | So how to I get the permissions to inherit? |
| 08:37.59 | tulas | Hi, |
| 08:38.04 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: you don't |
| 08:38.09 | \amethyst | you can with ACLs |
| 08:38.12 | Hemebond | Bit useless having the group ownership there if all the permissions drop off. |
| 08:38.19 | tulas | why after my deluser uid |
| 08:38.26 | Guerin | Hemebond: recursive chmod |
| 08:38.26 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: of course, if the directory is g+w, you can easily make the file g+w |
| 08:38.30 | \amethyst | Hemebond: usually what you do is set the umask to 002 |
| 08:38.39 | tulas | the home directory of that user still exsit? |
| 08:38.43 | \amethyst | Hemebond: that way when users create files, they will be group-writable |
| 08:38.46 | Hemebond | \amethyst: Isn't that global to that user account? |
| 08:38.50 | \amethyst | Hemebond: yes |
| 08:38.59 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: it's global to the shell |
| 08:39.01 | Hemebond | I only want it on this directory. |
| 08:39.15 | \amethyst | in classic Unix there is no way to do that |
| 08:39.22 | \amethyst | In Linux, including Debian, there is |
| 08:39.22 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: so alias cd, popd, and pushd to change the umask when you're in that directory |
| 08:39.23 | \amethyst | !acl |
| 08:39.23 | dpkg | [acl] Access Control List, http://acl.bestbits.at/, http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html, at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 08:39.30 | dondelelcaro | (or use acls) |
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| 08:39.56 | tulas | why dont debian just remove them all? |
| 08:40.02 | \amethyst | you can set the 'default ACL' for a directory. that will be inherited as the ACL for all files, and as both the ACL and default ACL for all directories, created within this one |
| 08:40.03 | Hemebond | Argh. I spent ages reading these dang articles telling me it could be done. I hate them. Yeah, I've used ACLs before but I expected there to be a way to do it with POSIX. |
| 08:40.31 | \amethyst | tulas: it can with deluser --remove-home |
| 08:40.57 | \amethyst | tulas: but that isn't the default because sometimes you want to keep the home directory around for a while |
| 08:41.16 | _2 | tulas there is also userdel -r |
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| 08:41.20 | \amethyst | tulas: (for example, for auditing purposes, or if you're moving the user to a different machine) |
| 08:41.21 | tulas | oh...i should read its man page in advance |
| 08:41.31 | bolt-work | usually a good idea |
| 08:41.39 | dondelelcaro | tulas: if you really want them to be removed by default, man deluser.conf |
| 08:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | tulas, because that's the sensible thing... you pretty often want to delete the user, but you keep his data, in case he hasn't saved it |
| 08:41.53 | \amethyst | Hemebond: usually the way it is done is with systemwide 002 umask |
| 08:42.24 | tulas | i c ,master |
| 08:42.31 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat heh in my case i more normally want to rm the users home but keep the username |
| 08:42.31 | Hemebond | \amethyst: Will that make permissions inherit or just set them to 775? |
| 08:42.36 | \amethyst | Hemebond: that's why so many Unix systems have user-groups as primary group IDs instead of, say, everyone being in "users" |
| 08:42.43 | \amethyst | Hemebond: it won't make them inherit |
| 08:42.57 | \amethyst | Hemebond: ACLs are the only way to make permissions inherit |
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| 08:44.10 | Hemebond | And how would I set that for the www-data user? Create a home drive and .bashrc file? |
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| 08:44.33 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: uh... the www-data user really shouldn't own files |
| 08:44.40 | Hemebond | ???? |
| 08:44.41 | Hemebond | What? |
| 08:44.48 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, it generally shouldn't) |
| 08:45.03 | Hemebond | How is it suppose to serve them? Write to them? |
| 08:45.14 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: it should have read access to files, but it shouldn't be writing to anything |
| 08:45.18 | dondelelcaro | (in general) |
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| 08:45.34 | Hemebond | Yeah, but that doesn't really work for any sort of web app/cms/etc. |
| 08:45.44 | dondelelcaro | it does if they're written sanely |
| 08:46.05 | Hemebond | Huh? How is it suppose to write to the directory if you've removed its permissions? |
| 08:46.10 | dondelelcaro | it isn't |
| 08:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not |
| 08:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 08:46.16 | Hemebond | is baffled |
| 08:46.39 | Hemebond | What would you have them do? |
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| 08:46.49 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: a properly written CMS or Web Application runs as at least two users; one for normal things, and another for when it needs to write to files |
| 08:47.06 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: ideally, neither of those users are www-data |
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| 08:47.41 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, the vast majority of things written in PHP don't follow this design |
| 08:48.05 | Hemebond | Yeah. Which CMSs have you used that don't access things as the web server user? |
| 08:48.16 | dondelelcaro | All of the ones that I actually use |
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| 08:48.44 | Hemebond | Can you name a couple? I'm interested to see how they work. |
| 08:48.59 | dondelelcaro | My own frameworks don't; Drupal doesn't have to, the list goes on |
| 08:49.03 | Hemebond | What about SVN under Apache? |
| 08:49.18 | Hemebond | I use webdav-svn for my SVN repos. |
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| 08:49.35 | Hemebond | They get accessed as the www-data user; the same account Apache runs as. |
| 08:49.40 | dondelelcaro | the www-data user is in the svn-ro group |
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| 08:50.09 | dondelelcaro | or I run read only copies of subversion repositories for webdav-svn |
| 08:50.33 | dondelelcaro | (since I only allow commits via webdav for a few repositories) |
| 08:50.37 | Hemebond | And you commit through svn:// |
| 08:50.42 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 08:50.48 | dondelelcaro | I use svn+ssh:// |
| 08:50.52 | sixfu | Hi, I just installed empathy on lenny and I'd like to try out the voice chat using jingle over xmpp/gootleTalk before I start telling my business contacts that this works for me. anyone willing to give it a quick spin with me? |
| 08:51.38 | Hemebond | dondelelcaro: And the reps on which you allow commits through webdav? |
| 08:51.41 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: but in the times that I do, I have the webserver serving svn only serving svn, with no other modules |
| 08:52.17 | dondelelcaro | (and that runs as a user which isn't www-data) |
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| 08:52.27 | Hemebond | I see. |
| 08:52.36 | Hemebond | That's hardcore dude. |
| 08:53.06 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: not really; doing otherwise means that anything that can run code as www-data owns everything |
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| 08:53.48 | dondelelcaro | if all of the files that www-data owns get wiped out or read, it shouldn't mean much |
| 08:54.29 | Hemebond | So basically you just run Apache under a different user account? |
| 08:54.54 | Hemebond | Based on what it's doing? |
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| 08:54.59 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: yes |
| 08:55.06 | Hemebond | I see. |
| 08:55.09 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: using suexec, or whatever needs to be done |
| 08:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yes... now I remember... dondelelcaro, is the raw data for the release critical bugs graph available somewhere? |
| 08:55.19 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 08:55.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | where? |
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| 08:58.02 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: merkel.debian.org:/org/b.d.o/bugscan/counts |
| 08:58.16 | dondelelcaro | I don't know if it's publicly available |
| 08:58.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what protocol? |
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| 08:58.52 | dondelelcaro | um... ssh? |
| 08:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... ok |
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| 08:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's probably not publicly then |
| 08:59.09 | dondelelcaro | if you want a copy though, I can make one available for you |
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| 08:59.41 | Industrial | Hi. I did an apt-get install git but I don't have a /usr/bin/git. I do have other /usr/bin/git.+ apps. |
| 08:59.55 | simonrvn | git-core |
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| 09:00.22 | Industrial | thanks |
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| 09:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | not just me, more like themill... he extracted the data from the graph... (we were talking about that graph on a blog where someone tried to extrapolate the lenny release-date and all thought that it looked kind of bogus) |
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| 09:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, but if you could put a copy somewhere I'd tell him where as well, if that's ok |
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| 09:03.38 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/counts_20090105_0103.tar.gz once it is finished transfering |
| 09:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, thanks! |
| 09:03.55 | dondelelcaro | (it's finished now) |
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| 09:06.15 | dondelelcaro | I don't actually know what the format of that file or graph is, since I've never really looked at the code |
| 09:06.29 | dondelelcaro | (I've only concerned myself with other parts of the BTS) |
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| 09:07.06 | Supaplex | file(1) says it's PFM ;) |
| 09:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks simple enough... and I guess the legend of the graph can help explaining things |
| 09:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, some things :) |
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| 09:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex, whatchatalkingabout |
| 09:08.12 | Hemebond | dondelelcaro: Just to be clear, if you needed to create a shared directory for multiple users to create and edit any file in there, you would use ACL, yeah? |
| 09:08.14 | Supaplex | dpkg: wtf pfm |
| 09:08.16 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what pfm means... |
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| 09:08.33 | Supaplex | stupid silly bot. it's pure fscking magic. |
| 09:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | 8763 samples *g* |
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| 09:09.51 | bono | Hi, adduser SuuuKy |
| 09:10.02 | bono | why this is a bad name to debian? |
| 09:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | sh**... I'll still have to make gnuplot with gnu readline :( |
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| 09:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | bono, no capital letters |
| 09:10.45 | sixfu | bono: see /etc/adduser.conf |
| 09:10.51 | dondelelcaro | bono: man adduser.conf; if you want to know what the default regex is |
| 09:11.01 | dondelelcaro | (though you generally shouldn't change it) |
| 09:11.01 | SlayerXP | bono: unix usernames tend not to be uppercase |
| 09:11.11 | SlayerXP | growls at "Debian-exim" |
| 09:11.27 | bono | oh.... |
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| 09:13.00 | dondelelcaro | Hemebond: if they were stupid users, yes |
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| 09:13.38 | dondelelcaro | if they were smart users, no |
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| 09:17.39 | SlimG | isc-dhcpd-V3.0.4 (@ debian etch) says "unknown option dhcp.custom-proxy-server" when I try to put 'option custom-proxy-server = "http://server/wpad.dat"' within a subnet block, I've also tried to define "custom-proxy-server" outside the block at the beginning using "option option-custom-proxy-server code 252 = string;" but the errormessage still remains the same, any helpful suggestions? |
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| 09:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... still need to generate the amount of release-critical bugs from that.... got the red graph, though |
| 09:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah no, there's more :) |
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| 09:25.56 | _2 | i have something i have never seen before, according to mount and cat /proc/mounts the fs is mounted rw but touch blah errors with "readonly file system" ??? |
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| 09:28.01 | _2 | oh, my bad, rootfs on / != /dev/root on / |
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| 09:28.59 | Dewi | what exactly is apt doing when it says "Hit" instead of doing a full download? |
| 09:29.13 | bolt-work | nothing :D |
| 09:29.29 | _2 | compairing to see if it needs to dl |
| 09:29.34 | Dewi | does it hit the server to see if there's new stuff? |
| 09:29.52 | bolt-work | yes. the new stuff usually falls out when you hit a server |
| 09:30.06 | Dewi | or is it just avoiding re-requesting because of an expiry time? |
| 09:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | like apples from a tree |
| 09:30.19 | bolt-work | seriously, though, it means your http header for that file matches the server's header, so there's no reason to fetch the file, afaik |
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| 09:30.48 | Dewi | bolt-work: I am interested to know what request header that would be... |
| 09:31.41 | _2 | thought it checked timestamps |
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| 09:31.58 | bolt-work | how do you check a timestamp on a webserver? |
| 09:32.17 | bolt-work | afaik all you can do is run HEAD /some/file.foo |
| 09:32.20 | _2 | hey, i didn't say i knew anything, i said i thought. |
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| 09:32.46 | simonrvn | basically you get a 304 |
| 09:33.01 | Dewi | oh, it might be 'If-Modified-Since' |
| 09:33.13 | simonrvn | yes; check the headers |
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| 09:33.28 | _2 | sends 706 |
| 09:33.36 | simonrvn | 400 |
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| 09:34.10 | bolt-work | 402 |
| 09:34.19 | simonrvn | 203 |
| 09:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | are we bidding for something? |
| 09:34.39 | Dewi | 500 Malformed IRC Noise |
| 09:34.48 | simonrvn | sending http status codes in reply to people ;) |
| 09:34.59 | bolt-work | fun! |
| 09:35.01 | simonrvn | 500 is internal server error |
| 09:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | 607 - brain offline |
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| 09:36.17 | simonrvn | it checks the local file, against the remote file, etc. |
| 09:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, actually not a bad idea - although I would suggest smtp... guess 501 Syntactically invalid HELO arguments ... would be pretty popular |
| 09:36.35 | simonrvn | check the rfcs |
| 09:36.35 | _2 | well i think i have my lappy booting the way i want now. but there is still the question of atheros wifi and power management |
| 09:36.41 | CAiRO | !paste |
| 09:36.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:37.10 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: ~= WHATEVAR ? |
| 09:37.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | CAiRO, you might as well try /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 09:37.41 | CAiRO | CutMeOwnThroat: it was easier in the channel :) |
| 09:37.50 | simonrvn | !lart CAiRO |
| 09:37.50 | dpkg | calls CAiRO on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 09:38.15 | _2 | !smart |
| 09:38.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 09:38.29 | CAiRO | !cool |
| 09:38.29 | dpkg | it's spelled cool! get it right!! |
| 09:38.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | CAiRO, but useless, as you now called our eternal scorn down unto yourself |
| 09:38.56 | CAiRO | it wasnt useless to me |
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| 09:39.41 | craigevil | _2: madiwif or ath5k if your using a 2.6.27 or newer kernel, powermanagement depends a bit on the de/wm your using |
| 09:39.47 | simonrvn | !topicsmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 09:39.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon CutMeOwnThroat. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:39.50 | simonrvn | woops |
| 09:39.57 | simonrvn | wrong target |
| 09:40.14 | bolt-work | slaps CAiRO around a bit with a grand piano and a Mars bar |
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| 09:40.31 | simonrvn | waste of a mars bar |
| 09:40.36 | _2 | craigevil 2.6.26 just upgraded to lenny |
| 09:40.37 | CAiRO | great, with all that useless discussion going on here i could as well have pasted my logs into the channel |
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| 09:41.06 | CAiRO | it would have been short than your comments |
| 09:41.07 | _2 | craigevil no de/wn |
| 09:41.10 | CAiRO | shorter |
| 09:41.15 | _2 | m |
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| 09:42.01 | _2 | madwifi you say ? |
| 09:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, now what am I gonna do with a superfluous /TOPIC in my collection... |
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| 09:42.26 | bolt-work | eBay |
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| 09:43.35 | simonrvn | CAiRO: well, whatdahyahknow ;p |
| 09:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah... ran into problems when I tried to sell my daughter |
| 09:43.45 | _2 | would that be "madwifi-tools" ? |
| 09:43.56 | _2 | @ craigevil |
| 09:44.21 | craigevil | yes then use module-assistant to build the needed kernel module |
| 09:44.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | οη δεαÏ... Î·Î¹Ï ÏÎ·Î±Ï ÎºÎµÏ
αγαιν |
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| 09:44.38 | _2 | craigevil for atheros ? |
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| 09:44.44 | craigevil | yes |
| 09:44.54 | _2 | craigevil does it require something stupid like that ? |
| 09:45.05 | _2 | i thought atheros was supported |
| 09:45.16 | craigevil | atheros is what the Eee uses and madwifi works fine or grab a newer kernel that has ath5k built in |
| 09:45.20 | bolt-work | since when is module-assistant stupid? |
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| 09:46.17 | _2 | bolt-work sense having to use propriatery crap happened |
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| 09:47.46 | _2 | ok i did modprobe ath5k ;iwconfig and the wifi is showing up now. |
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| 09:48.05 | _2 | now if i had some signal to configure to.... |
| 09:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no neighbors? |
| 09:48.29 | Tekno | use nm-applet |
| 09:48.33 | Tekno | its great |
| 09:48.41 | _2 | Tekno ? |
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| 09:48.53 | Tekno | yea |
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| 09:49.10 | _2 | assumes that "applet" requires a gui... |
| 09:49.21 | Tekno | oh.. |
| 09:50.28 | _2 | alright, next thing is power management how to scale the cpu up/down from the command line. and do i now have support for backlight control ? |
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| 09:52.40 | _2 | ya know, this is the first time this 2 year old lappy has ever seen it's own builtin wifi card ;/ |
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| 10:00.56 | _2 | so why does the system hang all the time granted it's a short hang but even 3 to 5 second hangs are very irratating |
| 10:00.59 | _2 | ??? |
| 10:01.15 | _2 | is lenny just like that ? |
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| 10:03.13 | sixfu | _2: no |
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| 10:04.03 | _2 | sixfu then why is my system doing that, almost nothing is running, iotop says 0% everything top says less than 1% everything ? |
| 10:04.45 | sixfu | _2: no idea. read the logs, especially dmesg |
| 10:04.51 | _2 | i just don't get it, etch never did that, ubuntu dapper never did that. same setup. |
| 10:05.03 | migatxu | take a look in the logs, you've to find what is the problem |
| 10:05.06 | _2 | there is nothing in dmesg that hasn't always been there |
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| 10:05.38 | migatxu | are you using the ath5k driver? |
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| 10:06.01 | _2 | yes |
| 10:06.09 | _2 | but when i wasn't it did the same thing |
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| 10:06.21 | migatxu | the only problem I had was with it, now Im using again madwifi |
| 10:06.31 | _2 | maybe it's the mouse. i'll purge the modules for that and see |
| 10:06.43 | migatxu | I've that problem with the laptop and the main computer |
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| 10:09.14 | _2 | switching from device /dev/input/mice to /dev/psaux |
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| 10:10.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, oh, there you are... I was just off to bed |
| 10:12.38 | _2 | well if that isn't a crock of human waste product. does X now require superuser to be named root ? |
| 10:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | "now"? |
| 10:13.25 | sixfu | _2: why on earth would you call the superuser anything else? |
| 10:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sixfu, if you love problems... |
| 10:13.39 | superjoe30 | I just did a fresh install of debian lenny on a widescreen laptop. The resolution it decided to use was some 4:3 resolution that looks blurry, and when I click "Change desktop resolution" it lists no options |
| 10:13.52 | superjoe30 | should I edit xorg.conf? |
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| 10:13.57 | sixfu | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, sounds like a solid reason :) |
| 10:14.22 | _2 | six because i can. and besides that, the nut that trys to crack root's password is spitting in the wind now ;/ |
| 10:14.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | is he? |
| 10:14.50 | sixfu | _2: you know that passwd(5) is world readable, right? |
| 10:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | how exactly's he doing that? |
| 10:15.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | holds his breath. |
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| 10:15.33 | _2 | sixfu you have to have access before you can read it. |
| 10:15.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts getting a pretty red head... pfeu |
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| 10:16.08 | sixfu | _2: you have to have access before starting any reasonable way of password cracking too |
| 10:16.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, so you don't need access to starting to crack root's password? |
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| 10:16.23 | rm | "Alternative names include baron in BeOS and avatar on some Unix variants." |
| 10:16.35 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat heh, he types "root" and then something stupid at the login prompt when he thinks i'm not looking :))) |
| 10:16.49 | rm | "BSD often provides a toor ("root" backwards) account in addition to a root account for better usability while performing administrative tasks." |
| 10:16.50 | TheInfinity | hello ... one question about hplib ... i use debian with cups, and sometimes - every few weeks - my hp laserjet 5 does not work any more. error message is: sun hpiod: unable to ParDevice::Open hp:/par/HP_LaserJet_5MP?device=/dev/parport0: No such file or directory: io/hpiod/ppdevice.cpp 838 |
| 10:16.56 | rm | so it is useful not to assume that root is root :) |
| 10:17.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, you mean someone with access to the machine? Well... screwdriver wins any time... |
| 10:17.15 | superjoe30 | rm: you have an evil name |
| 10:17.16 | TheInfinity | google does not offer much interesting things about this error ... perhaps you can give me a hint? |
| 10:17.18 | sixfu | rm: yeah because BeOS is so common these days :) |
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| 10:17.33 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat he's not that smart, but yeah. |
| 10:17.53 | TheInfinity | after rebooting everything gets back to work - for some weeks |
| 10:18.08 | _2 | still it's stupid in the highest degree to "assume" that the superuser name "has to be root" |
| 10:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | rm, it's also not true... I tried it about 10 years ago and the main thing it did was create problems on a linux system and it doesn't now |
| 10:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | rm, *additional* names for root are no problems, though... |
| 10:18.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although I don't see the point) |
| 10:19.04 | _2 | changed name for superuser is a "freedom" thang man. |
| 10:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, and how fast does your cracker type? guess if you didn't have "hello" as roots password you should be rather safe... |
| 10:19.34 | _2 | just like me not using any partitions. i do it because i can. |
| 10:19.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds daft... sorry |
| 10:20.14 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat not the point. point is. it's stupid to assume that the name has to be root. |
| 10:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | "I stick my hand in red-hot lava because I can" |
| 10:20.22 | rm | to assume that root is root is one of those things that are wrong to assume, imho :) |
| 10:21.05 | sixfu | while that might be true in theory, it's easy to also assume that because root is called root on >99% of all unix installations, many software authors *will* make that assumption |
| 10:21.19 | rm | others include "the int is 32 bit", "that file always exists", "some more disk space is always available", etc :) |
| 10:21.23 | sixfu | which in turn means that changing root's name is stupid :) |
| 10:21.51 | _2 | recalls a quote "stupid is as stupid does" |
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| 10:24.21 | _2 | jsut a side note, the only thing that i noticed breakage on. (if xorg is not broken) was that one of the postinst scripts did something like "chown root:root /bin/mount" which is just bad coding, "chown 0:0 /bin/mount" would be more sensiable |
| 10:24.34 | _2 | lenny ^ |
| 10:24.57 | rm | why not file a bug |
| 10:25.09 | rm | if it's postinst, then it's not xorg, it's Debian's packaging |
| 10:25.49 | dondelelcaro | _2: uh... no? |
| 10:25.51 | _2 | i've done fixed my lenny, and as it has been pointed out so abjectly here, it's not likely anyone else will have a superusername other than root. |
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| 10:26.17 | _2 | rm yes i didn't say xorg i said a postinst script |
| 10:26.25 | dondelelcaro | using a superuser named something other than root is insane |
| 10:26.31 | dondelelcaro | you'll break all kinds of things |
| 10:26.48 | dondelelcaro | (and moreover, it's entirely pointless) |
| 10:27.02 | _2 | dondelelcaro it's ok, you don't have to protect me from myself, if i break it, i'll fix it. |
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| 10:27.25 | dondelelcaro | well, you're going to break lots of things. Best of luck with that |
| 10:27.50 | _2 | has used non-root superuser for a long time now... |
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| 10:28.09 | _2 | nosuid system, too |
| 10:29.14 | _2 | defining "long time" in terms of software/computing sense 2006 |
| 10:29.36 | dondelelcaro | you've probably not noticed the breakage you've introduced then |
| 10:29.45 | _2 | :) |
| 10:29.51 | _2 | probably not lol |
| 10:30.03 | dondelelcaro | since almost every script assumes that root is 0, and uses the name instead of the uid |
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| 10:30.16 | jazotic | enough rope to hang yourself and then a couple of feet more.. ;) |
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| 10:30.50 | dondelelcaro | (and just about anything that needs to be owned by root but have its group set to some non-root user is going to use it) |
| 10:30.52 | _2 | which scripts would you be talking about ? |
| 10:30.59 | hoxu | _2, you are complaining about scripts assuming that root = 0? Are you going to complain about scripts assuming localhost is 127.0.0.1, too? |
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| 10:31.25 | dondelelcaro | _2: grep root\: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.{pre,post}*; for example. |
| 10:31.41 | _2 | hoxu yes |
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| 10:32.46 | _2 | dondelelcaro a lot of those have also had the misfortune of bad code in the #!/bin/sh line when later bashism was used in the scripts. does that mean that now no one should complain about that ? |
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| 10:33.08 | dondelelcaro | _2: bashisms in #!/bin/sh are always policy violations |
| 10:33.22 | dondelelcaro | _2: those get filed and fixed; and in some cases, it's #!/bin/bash, not #!/bin/sh... |
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| 10:33.40 | _2 | and bad assumptions about uid=0's name is a bad idea too |
| 10:33.42 | dondelelcaro | _2: renaming the root user is just silly, and not something that we're going to fix |
| 10:33.57 | dondelelcaro | if you want to do insane things, you can keep all of the breakage that results in that |
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| 10:34.33 | dondelelcaro | if you were actually concerned about remote attackers breaking into your machine by using the root account, disable root logins |
| 10:34.51 | bolt-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.08 | cads | is sidux usable as a everyday desktop OS? |
| 10:35.14 | _2 | keep the breakage? i do, i also complain about it. if you don't like that you can code smarter and us idiots will find something else to complain about. |
| 10:35.22 | dondelelcaro | cads: ask #sidux |
| 10:35.22 | sixfu | cads: how would we know? sidux is not debian. |
| 10:35.43 | craigevil | cads: ask in #sidux on oftc |
| 10:35.52 | cads | oftc? |
| 10:36.00 | sixfu | irc.oftc.net |
| 10:36.16 | cads | thanks |
| 10:36.30 | hoxu | _2, assuming root=0 is not breakage. What on earth were you trying to get by making your system otherwise? |
| 10:37.22 | _2 | hoxu be a good little sheep and follow the herd, i prefer to go my own way. thanks anyway. |
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| 10:37.44 | hoxu | !not supporting yourownway |
| 10:37.45 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support yourownway too. Try #yourownway or donating money to charity. |
| 10:37.48 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; feel free to do whatever you want, but don't complain here about breakage you cause by doing it |
| 10:38.02 | hoxu | !trollgong |
| 10:38.08 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 10:38.08 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 10:38.36 | _2 | rain on ya |
| 10:38.56 | TheInfinity | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/98050/ (with error) vs http://paste.pocoo.org/show/98051/ (after reboot) - why does debian detect parport new? |
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| 10:40.31 | dondelelcaro | TheInfinity: difficult to say without the dmesg output from both boots. Do you have two parports? |
| 10:40.48 | TheInfinity | dondelelcaro: no. thats the strange thing about it |
| 10:41.05 | TheInfinity | my parport seems to be redetected after some weeks so that the printer does not work any more |
| 10:41.30 | TheInfinity | i just search for the place in syslog where it happend ... it was over new-year .. |
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| 10:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2 so do you have PermitRootLogin allowed in ssh or not? |
| 10:43.26 | TheInfinity | hmm. nothing in syslog. it just starts with an 2 12:21:04 sun hpiod: unable to ParDevice::Open hp:/par/HP_LaserJet_5MP?device=/dev/parport0: No such file or directory: io/hpiod/ppdevice.cpp 838 which is repeated every 30 sec |
| 10:44.03 | dondelelcaro | TheInfinity: are you using some HP thing to do printing instead of cups? |
| 10:44.27 | TheInfinity | dondelelcaro: i use hplib for cups which is default in debian |
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| 10:44.43 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat what differance does it make. jackasses in here have the "you do something different than i do, eww your so stupid" attitude, i have lost all interst in talking about it. |
| 10:44.51 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; someone else may know more then. I haven't used parallel port or usb port printers in ages |
| 10:45.01 | TheInfinity | dondelelcaro: cupsy just says "open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
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| 10:45.47 | TheInfinity | hplip gives the information above - that parallel port seems to be doubled |
| 10:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 10:47.56 | bewst | Having some apt issues. I've built several things directly from their source repos (not with apt-get source) and I've tried to play nice by using checkinstall to make .debs for these things, but it's causing all kinds of weirdness. Is there a guide for doing this sort of thing properly that I can read? |
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| 10:50.28 | bewst | For example, I built git-core from source and gave it a more recent version number than the one in the repo, and yet aptitude reports that it wants to "upgrade" my git-core |
| 10:52.22 | dondelelcaro | bewst: newer than 1.6.0.4-1? |
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| 10:52.41 | bewst | dendelelcaro: yes |
| 10:52.49 | dondelelcaro | scratch that, .6 |
| 10:53.05 | bewst | 1.6.1-40, IIRC |
| 10:53.35 | bewst | clarification: I'm on ubuntu but this seems rather a debian-ish question. |
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| 10:53.50 | dondelelcaro | well, anyway, your problem is because you didn't include the epoch |
| 10:54.00 | _2 | bewst you just as well said "kick me" ;/ |
| 10:54.25 | bewst | _2: so go ahead and do it :/ |
| 10:54.28 | dondelelcaro | bewst: but you'll be happer if you start with the source package and use uupdate instead |
| 10:54.45 | bewst | uupdate, eh? Will look into that. |
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| 10:55.08 | _2 | bewst not me. i'm prolly going to get it too. |
| 10:55.22 | bewst | _2: get what? |
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| 10:56.35 | dondelelcaro | bewst: and if you really care about keeping packages like git-core up with the newest upstream, I'm sure Gerrit Pape and other DDs for your other packages would be glad for the help |
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| 10:57.42 | bewst | dondelelcaro: uh, thanks, but barely got time to keep my own systems running; I don't think I am ready to get involved in real package management, at least not yet |
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| 11:00.29 | nicko | if I make a disk image, for a disk with a few partitions, then if I do dd if=/dev/hda |
| 11:00.36 | SparFux | Hi everybody! I have tk8.4 installed for some packages I want to keep and I need another prog to find tk8.5. How can I do this? It searches tk with this command: if {[catch {package require Tk 8.5}]} { |
| 11:00.51 | nicko | will I be able t extract the partitions later? |
| 11:00.59 | nicko | or mount the diskimage file? |
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| 11:03.38 | SparFux | nicko: Yeah, I had this problem once. I haven't found a solution. You can only take an empty disk at least as big as the image and copy it into it, then mount them. |
| 11:03.55 | _2 | nicko you can mount filesystem in the file if you specify the offset |
| 11:05.32 | _2 | just as one can have more than one filesystem on a disk with no partitions. but that's not what they call sane around here. |
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| 11:06.14 | nicko | humm |
| 11:06.39 | nicko | I am talking about image files, I don't want to put it on a disk again |
| 11:06.41 | nicko | just mount it |
| 11:06.49 | nicko | and maybe use it in a vmware |
| 11:06.56 | _2 | that's what i said |
| 11:07.14 | nicko | right |
| 11:07.27 | nicko | but that sound complicated _2 |
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| 11:07.51 | nicko | does dd have a progress bar? |
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| 11:08.12 | _2 | not that i have seen |
| 11:08.21 | _2 | that doesn't mean it doesn't have. |
| 11:08.36 | nicko | I didn't see also |
| 11:08.49 | nicko | except in one windows version of dd |
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| 11:10.42 | bono | hi ,how to read some files like xxxx.1? |
| 11:10.56 | bono | it full of .nf |
| 11:10.57 | nicko | does dd have a verify option? |
| 11:11.00 | bono | .fi |
| 11:11.17 | nicko | can I diff /dev/hda1 with a file? |
| 11:12.30 | SparFux | There should be a loop trick to present the "whole disk image" to the /dev/ system as a "virtual real hard drive" with many partitions on it. |
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| 11:14.37 | _2 | nicko yes and yes you can also md5sum them |
| 11:15.04 | SparFux | What packages do I have to install to get tcl/tk running? |
| 11:15.16 | edistar_ | hi! I need to create shortcuts in the places menu for 2 folders for several users..(gnome) is there a way similar to .desktop files? |
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| 11:17.40 | _2 | SparFux apt-cache search tcl | grep tk #might know |
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| 11:18.40 | _2 | SparFux prolly "tk" just a guess |
| 11:19.11 | SparFux | _2: unfortunately my tcl script seems to find tk8.4 which is installed for old progs. tk8.5 is installed, too, but it complains about 8.4 is too old. |
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| 11:19.48 | _2 | SparFux that "might" be an alternatives thang |
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| 11:20.04 | SparFux | _2: Yes, I thought that, but there is only tclsh in alternatives. |
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| 11:21.13 | themill | SparFux: the version of wish used is managed through the alternatives system -- I don't know anything beyond that though |
| 11:21.19 | _2 | dpkg -L tk8.5 | less see where the executables are and check if they are symlinked other than alternatives maybe </shrugs> |
| 11:21.19 | dpkg | ii tk8.5 | less see where the executables are and check if they are symlinked other than alternatives maybe </shrugs> 3.1-2 _2's private gamp collection |
| 11:21.33 | SparFux | themill: AH!!!!!!! |
| 11:21.45 | _2 | silly name for a bot, |
| 11:21.53 | SparFux | themill: that's it! |
| 11:21.54 | themill | dpkg bot? |
| 11:21.55 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 11:22.34 | themill | _2: there are also others called apt and aptitude (when they're around). Just to stir things up. |
| 11:22.53 | _2 | figures. |
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| 11:24.03 | _2 | well i have everything installed working, exception being still no power management at all. i really need to find a way to extend the battery life |
| 11:24.19 | U2 | Hi, I am using Debian 4.0r5, and every time it boots, it resets the time of the clock. I tried notsc and clocksource_pm as kernel parameters but it still resets the time. Why is that? |
| 11:24.38 | U2 | clocksource=acpi_pm |
| 11:25.37 | U2 | I have an Athlon 64 3500+ and and ATI chipset board.... |
| 11:25.40 | _2 | running ntpd? |
| 11:25.44 | U2 | nope |
| 11:26.01 | U2 | no ntpd. |
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| 11:40.07 | enquest | hello How do I get python2.5 on my etch system |
| 11:40.22 | enquest | can't I use some future apt-get thing and have it as default python |
| 11:40.44 | zinx | is it in etch-backports? |
| 11:41.31 | enquest | not sure is that the lenny repo, |
| 11:41.46 | petemc | lenny has 2.5 |
| 11:41.55 | zinx | no, it's the "etch-backwourds" repo. |
| 11:41.59 | zinx | erh, etch-backports |
| 11:42.02 | petemc | but sounds like you want a backport |
| 11:42.11 | zinx | you don't want lenny :/ |
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| 11:42.36 | enquest | Ok how do I use backports |
| 11:43.00 | zinx | !etch-backports |
| 11:43.00 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 11:43.32 | enquest | Ok i just follow http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 11:43.37 | simonrvn | apt-get doesn't configure anything. to expect it to is naive. |
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| 11:46.56 | enquest | would it be stupid for PIN it like this? Package: * |
| 11:47.17 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:47.58 | enquest | then I will have everything far more recent |
| 11:48.05 | enquest | but no trouble with the server? |
| 11:48.24 | xisle | anyone else using xfce4 on lenny? themes added by xfwm4-themes don't appear for me in User Interface preferences. are they there for you? |
| 11:48.25 | simonrvn | if you set that up *properly* |
| 11:48.37 | simonrvn | if you don't know how, don't touch that |
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| 11:58.07 | pif | hi, any cups expert around? |
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| 11:58.35 | simlan | Hey. I have nodeadkeys configured and want to write chars with accents. Where is the "Compose Key" on Debian by default, or where can I configure it? |
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| 11:59.09 | simonrvn | xorg.conf; xmodmap |
| 11:59.39 | simlan | so there is no default? |
| 11:59.51 | simonrvn | usually set to "menu" or right "win" key, or right command, or right something |
| 12:00.12 | simonrvn | i set it to menu; i think that's the default. |
| 12:00.17 | heroxbd | [a bit OT] I have a problem with my Gnus + easyPG. How is my archived mail (composed my myself) encrypted? If Gnus archive a blind copy of what is sent, I will have to use my partner's private key to decode it? |
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| 12:00.41 | simonrvn | #emacs ? |
| 12:01.04 | heroxbd | simonrvn: no one answered. |
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| 12:02.06 | simonrvn | most are EST |
| 12:03.57 | simlan | simonrvn: thanks, I did "echo keycode 116 = Multi_key > .Xmodmap", I hope that will work |
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| 12:04.40 | yang | I am wondering how can I display the RSA key (which is being asked when you connect to the host), I tried with ssh-keygen -l but I get "is not a public key file." |
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| 12:05.05 | simonrvn | simlan: just source it via xmodmap in your .xsession and you're goo |
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| 12:05.43 | clamiax | FIIK how to solve the problem |
| 12:06.03 | clamiax | is going to throw away his box |
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| 12:14.48 | edgardoweb | Hi |
| 12:15.37 | pepperbob | hi |
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| 12:16.28 | edgardoweb | Good morning xD |
| 12:16.34 | Wesley_ | Hello. Is there a way to make a dump of a file in the memory? someone ran a process then deleted the file. the process is sstill active |
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| 12:18.09 | SlayerXP | Wesley_: use lsof to work out the inode in use, then use the ext2 tools to dump the contents |
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| 12:21.48 | oira | how does one remove empty lines? |
| 12:22.20 | oira | lets say i have a text file and this textfile has empry rows how do i remove them? |
| 12:22.44 | oira | (from commandline) |
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| 12:22.59 | SlayerXP | oira: grep |
| 12:23.19 | oira | but then i would have to grep for th specific rows no? |
| 12:23.28 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 12:23.33 | oira | i want everything ecept the linebreaks |
| 12:23.37 | SlayerXP | so here's a free clue |
| 12:23.40 | oira | the emptyrows |
| 12:23.52 | oira | i will read the man |
| 12:23.57 | SlayerXP | ^ means "start of a line" $ means "end of a line" and "grep -v" means "everything that isn't" |
| 12:24.07 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 12:24.19 | oira | SlayerXP: thank you very much. |
| 12:24.21 | SlayerXP | oira: so put those all together and what do you get.... |
| 12:24.25 | oira | :) |
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| 12:25.34 | Tekno | what pdf reader you are using ? |
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| 12:26.12 | oira | SlayerXP: sweet thanks :) it works well now |
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| 12:31.14 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: good morning, and HNY. i hope the family is well? |
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| 12:32.06 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: and to you also. fiancee and cats are doing fine, thankyou. |
| 12:32.14 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: hope your lot are doing well also. |
| 12:32.35 | simonrvn | yup, doin' good |
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| 12:41.10 | asidasd | hello |
| 12:41.15 | EagleScreen | hello |
| 12:41.36 | asidasd | how I could save my iptables rules and load them automatically on startup ? Im using debian 4.0 |
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| 12:44.49 | EagleScreen | asidasd i dont know if it is possible |
| 12:45.04 | negge | I have a slight problem with vsftpd. Is there any way to automatically chown all files that a specific user uploads? |
| 12:45.09 | EagleScreen | i think you have to run some command each time you start the system |
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| 12:45.36 | EagleScreen | negge I has the same problem as you |
| 12:45.42 | EagleScreen | I had |
| 12:45.50 | negge | EagleScreen: how did you solve it? |
| 12:46.01 | EagleScreen | i have made a small program to do it |
| 12:46.06 | petemc | asidasd: there are many different ways to run the script on startup, and you can use iptables-save to save your rules to a file |
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| 12:46.41 | petemc | asidasd: one of the more popular ways is to have your script run when the network interface is brought up |
| 12:46.42 | negge | specifically my problem is that when I create new folders with Dreamweaver they get owned as the user I use to connect to the FTP server, then I have to manually chown them to :www-data so Apache can read the files and traverse the folders |
| 12:46.56 | negge | EagleScreen: what kind of program? |
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| 12:47.56 | EagleScreen | negge it is a bash script |
| 12:48.09 | negge | EagleScreen: do you mind sharing it? |
| 12:48.34 | EagleScreen | negge yes but it still has a bug |
| 12:49.00 | negge | how serious? |
| 12:49.14 | EagleScreen | medium |
| 12:49.25 | asidasd | petemc: many thanks ;) |
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| 12:49.31 | EagleScreen | wait a momment |
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| 12:50.25 | negge | EagleScreen: Actually I'd prefer a proper solution rather than a bash script. Currently I have a cronjob running every day that chowns all files in /var/www/ |
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| 12:51.19 | pepperbob | negge: it seems to me that vsftpd has only a chown_user directive valid for anonymous uploads |
| 12:52.39 | Faithful | I am having dns issues with my dns hosting provider so I need to impliment a local MX record on my mail box... should I just use bind or is there a neater, easier way to do that? |
| 12:52.42 | negge | pepperbob: yes I've seen it, unfortunately it's useless to me as I only want to chown the files a specific user uploads, not all users |
| 12:53.15 | EagleScreen | yes as I want |
| 12:53.53 | petemc | Faithful: bind9 works well |
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| 12:56.31 | EagleScreen | negge my script check number of files inside upload folder, and after a time if it has been changed, then chown and chmod (if you want) the files |
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| 12:58.02 | EagleScreen | but currently if you add or remove files on a subfolder inside upload, it does not detect the change, needed a recursive folder exploration |
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| 12:58.22 | negge | EagleScreen: okay. I need something that does it immediately on file upload |
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| 12:58.59 | SilentWarrior | hi everybody |
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| 12:59.08 | EagleScreen | you can set the time interval as you want: 1 second, 2 seconds, 5 seconds |
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| 13:00.20 | negge | EagleScreen: aah okay |
| 13:00.33 | hachi | what package/system/whatever controls /etc/localtime ? |
| 13:00.35 | negge | EagleScreen: if you don't mind you could always upload the script somewhere so I can grab it |
| 13:01.00 | EagleScreen | yes, inmediately |
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| 13:02.24 | TwistOfFate` | does lenny support ext4? |
| 13:03.27 | petemc | was ext4 not only added officially in 2.6.28 ? |
| 13:03.29 | negge | I think there's some support in the current Lenny kernel but full stable support was added in 2.6.28, which still afaik isn't used in any distro |
| 13:03.34 | hachi | petemc: yes |
| 13:03.43 | hachi | so lenny doesn't support it (currently) |
| 13:03.52 | Eulex | TwistOfFate`, you could build 2.6.28 yourself |
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| 13:04.14 | TwistOfFate` | i'd rather wait for debian to make it official |
| 13:04.34 | OltreIrc`18051 | hi |
| 13:04.40 | petemc | lenny wont ever get it, unless they do lennynhalf |
| 13:05.01 | EagleScreen | negge http://paste.ubuntu.com/100294/ |
| 13:05.12 | Eulex | I believe the e2fsprogs package in debian supports ext4 |
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| 13:05.25 | TwistOfFate` | so lenny is frozen now? |
| 13:05.34 | petemc | has been for some time |
| 13:05.42 | TwistOfFate` | god dammit |
| 13:06.07 | petemc | TwistOfFate`: recent kernels can be used via backports |
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| 13:06.21 | TwistOfFate` | didn't think there were lenny backports |
| 13:06.28 | hachi | there aren't yet |
| 13:06.36 | hachi | cause lenny is the 'testing' currently |
| 13:06.42 | hachi | why would you backport from lenny to lenny :) |
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| 13:07.17 | TwistOfFate` | so will lenny go live q1? |
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| 13:08.34 | negge | EagleScreen: thank you! |
| 13:09.48 | EagleScreen | negge you will need make some adjust |
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| 13:10.09 | EagleScreen | set the correct variables |
| 13:10.25 | EagleScreen | and may be edit line 23 |
| 13:12.26 | EagleScreen | negge I think the bug i mentioned you is very easy to fix |
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| 13:13.10 | EagleScreen | chmod, chown or chgrp accept -R argument to be recursive |
| 13:13.20 | EagleScreen | chown -R ...... |
| 13:13.23 | negge | yes I know. I'll maybe have a look at it later |
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| 13:14.29 | EagleScreen | negge not, I now see that this argument does not fix the problem |
| 13:14.30 | nsadmin | -R deserves respect and caution |
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| 13:19.04 | autonomy | where should static vs executable "share" files go, all in /usr/share/<package> ? |
| 13:19.22 | autonomy | is there a "libexec" alternative on Debian? |
| 13:19.57 | autonomy | say the package has some template files which are completely static, but used to generate new configuration files if asked to by the user... |
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| 13:20.26 | autonomy | and the package also has some executables which are "internal" to the package, i.e. user should not ever run them directly |
| 13:20.34 | zinx | autonomy: if they are not architecture specific, then /usr/share/<package> is correct |
| 13:20.42 | autonomy | from what I can see, they both end up in /usr/share/<package> |
| 13:20.48 | zinx | autonomy: if they are executables, /usr/lib/<package> i think |
| 13:21.00 | autonomy | right |
| 13:21.11 | Eulex | there's /usr/libexec too, for plugine etc |
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| 13:21.39 | autonomy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.58 | Eulex | no sorry |
| 13:22.01 | autonomy | redhat has /usr/libexec but I didnt think debian did? |
| 13:22.10 | Eulex | it appears to be /usr/lib in debian, yes |
| 13:22.24 | zinx | autonomy: are they scripts or executables? |
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| 13:22.35 | zinx | autonomy: erh, s/executables/binaries/ |
| 13:22.43 | autonomy | both - some scripts, some executables, but all "internal" |
| 13:23.15 | Eulex | autonomy, xfce4 plugins, in form of binaries, live in subdirectories of /usr/lib/ |
| 13:23.17 | autonomy | i.e. some are python executable scripts, some are compiled C - if that makes any difference? |
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| 13:23.56 | zinx | autonomy: they should probably all be in /usr/lib/sendmail/, really |
| 13:24.06 | zinx | who uses sendmail anymore anyway |
| 13:24.08 | autonomy | that's what I thought |
| 13:24.27 | autonomy | we use it at work =D |
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| 13:24.48 | autonomy | it's only there to protect the exchange servers though |
| 13:25.02 | autonomy | given that they'd be raped within the hour otherwise |
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| 13:37.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:37.31 | dpkg | <purplepenguins> I can't get double buffering to work <Flashylight> just add some ketchup |
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| 13:38.09 | liable | i dont get it.. |
| 13:38.20 | themill | I guess you had to be there |
| 13:38.34 | everettz | Does the Sid Live CD have an installer on it, I cannot find it if there is. |
| 13:38.48 | pif | is there a free alternative to msttcorefonts ? |
| 13:38.59 | liable | everettz: whats the sid live installer/ |
| 13:39.04 | liable | ? |
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| 13:40.13 | liable | everettz: are you the blind person from eeepc? |
| 13:40.19 | themill | pif: the bitstream fonts will give you most of that |
| 13:41.08 | pif | themill: thx |
| 13:42.05 | everettz | liable: Yes to blind. I'm looking for an installer on the Sid Live CD: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/sid-builds/current/i386/usb-hdd/ |
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| 13:42.25 | liable | everettz: did the debootstrap not work? |
| 13:43.04 | everettz | liable: Not yet and I'm looking for a faster solution. I like to play, but I need this for work. |
| 13:43.47 | everettz | liable: I can't find anyone who isn't affraid of the eeepc installer window. If it doesn't look like a win32 application they don't know how to explain it. |
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| 13:44.15 | liable | everettz: i dont see why debootstrap would take more than a few hours for you. |
| 13:44.38 | liable | everettz: if you can tee up a time for a helper, i would be happy to walk them through |
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| 13:49.30 | everettz | liable: Thanks for the offer, I'll let you know |
| 13:49.57 | sts | hello folks. i'm trying to figure out how to configure interfaces for ipv6 in /etc/network/interfaces. there is a inet6 interface type. |
| 13:52.04 | sts | should i rather use this type (so i'm ending with two definitions "iface eth0 inet static" and "iface eth0 inet6 static", or should i rather do this with one of these definitions and add the ipv6 address using "up ip -6 addr add ..."? |
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| 13:56.45 | pif | msttcorefonts still look better *sigh* |
| 13:57.30 | alcohol | does debian run BIND ? |
| 13:57.34 | thorium | I have pppoe on ppp0(eth0) and a local network on eth1, I want to configure iptables in order to have the internet available on the internal network |
| 13:57.40 | petemc | alcohol: it can |
| 13:57.44 | alcohol | how can I check? |
| 13:57.49 | thorium | I have the following configuration |
| 13:57.49 | alcohol | if it is running on my server |
| 13:57.49 | petemc | dpkg -l|grep bind |
| 13:57.49 | dpkg | petemc: are you using Windows? |
| 13:58.14 | petemc | alcohol: ps aux|grep named |
| 13:58.17 | alcohol | petemc: where would the zone config file usually be located? |
| 13:58.28 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.35 | alcohol | yeah it's running |
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| 13:58.43 | alcohol | (trying to check if I can get SPF working properly) |
| 13:58.49 | thorium | http://rafb.net/p/TWravW90.html |
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| 14:02.08 | SlayerXP | SPF works properly? |
| 14:02.43 | negge | does the system save a copy of my old /etc/motd file somewhere when it replaces it on a system upgrade? |
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| 14:04.40 | clamiax | solved |
| 14:05.43 | clamiax | I just built my own gspca sources (latest git release) and installed libv4l2. Then i put this libraries into the LD_PRELOAD environment variable and ran xawvt (and aMSN). It just worked. |
| 14:05.53 | clamiax | THX anyway for people which tried to help me. |
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| 14:09.38 | alcohol | SlaY3R: well, I imagine the system works. but we seem to have no spf records. so I am trying to figure out where to add them |
| 14:09.57 | alcohol | petemc: is that permanent, the cache? |
| 14:10.19 | petemc | alcohol: thats fairly standard, you can put them where ever you like |
| 14:10.24 | petemc | and yes, permanent |
| 14:10.44 | alcohol | mhh, nothing in there |
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| 14:11.31 | petemc | alcohol: look in /etc/bind/ |
| 14:11.48 | alcohol | yeah several files |
| 14:11.58 | alcohol | named.conf, zones.rfcxxxx |
| 14:12.03 | petemc | they should say where the zones are |
| 14:14.18 | alcohol | confusing stuff x_x |
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| 14:14.28 | alcohol | they say I should add zones to named.conf.local |
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| 14:14.46 | alcohol | that file only contains a bunch of commented out lines |
| 14:14.59 | petemc | alcohol: if you want to use spf, you need to edit the zone file of the machine that is primary for your domain |
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| 14:15.32 | alcohol | all our domains are hosted through this ip |
| 14:15.40 | petemc | yet theres no zone files? |
| 14:15.52 | alcohol | to be honest, I am clueless |
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| 14:16.25 | a_ok | how can i prevent apt from stopping a daemon when i remove it? |
| 14:16.32 | petemc | alcohol: grep directory /etc/bind/* |
| 14:16.36 | jelly-home | a_ok: why? |
| 14:16.55 | alcohol | /etc/bind/named.conf.options: directory "/var/cache/bind"; |
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| 14:17.04 | alcohol | but that dir is empty |
| 14:17.06 | colouragga | hey all, problem with libapache2-mod-php5 on my debian vps |
| 14:17.07 | colouragga | http://pastebin.com/m737dd637 |
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| 14:17.09 | colouragga | see there |
| 14:17.18 | colouragga | it installs but then it says it is not installed |
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| 14:17.54 | petemc | alcohol: i suspect that machine doesnt do primary for your domain, or you're using something other than bind |
| 14:18.05 | petemc | alcohol: lsof -i :53 , dont paste here |
| 14:18.05 | alcohol | well |
| 14:18.09 | morfol | colouragga dont forget to install php5 too |
| 14:18.13 | alcohol | there is a load balancer in front of everything |
| 14:18.22 | alcohol | but I dont believe it handles any dns work |
| 14:18.32 | a_ok | jelly-home, because i upgrading to a compiled version. I want to make sure that all .so's etc. are removed before I install it but i do NOT want to stop the daemon untill the compiled one is installed and configured properly |
| 14:18.36 | alcohol | it just redirects traffic to 3 different web servers |
| 14:18.46 | a_ok | I'M* |
| 14:18.56 | colouragga | morfol: http://pastebin.com/m25520614 < already done, no cigar |
| 14:19.00 | themill | colouragga: did you delete /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf at some stage? |
| 14:19.11 | colouragga | themill: let me check if it is there? |
| 14:19.33 | colouragga | yeah that's gone themill |
| 14:19.35 | alcohol | petemc: http://pastie.org/352926 - that is what the ssh machine gives me |
| 14:19.36 | colouragga | only php5filter is there |
| 14:19.57 | alcohol | petemc: should I check one of the webservers or the lb server? |
| 14:20.20 | themill | colouragga: that's also an out of date php5 package that you've got installed. You need to aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade at some stage |
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| 14:20.47 | petemc | alcohol: you dont need to guess which machine does the dns, dig can tell you |
| 14:20.51 | colouragga | themill: that's what gomes with the testing sources? |
| 14:20.57 | alcohol | petemc: how? |
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| 14:21.26 | colouragga | anyway themill how do i get the php5.conf back in mods-available? |
| 14:21.28 | themill | colouragga: indeed... lenny is still a moving target. Things like php will routinely have security updates too, of course. /msg dpkg cron-apt |
| 14:21.29 | petemc | alcohol: dig domain.com |
| 14:21.53 | abrotman | colouragga: /msg dpkg confmiss ... libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 14:22.14 | alcohol | petemc: http://pastie.org/352928 |
| 14:22.19 | colouragga | ty :) |
| 14:22.21 | alcohol | petemc: is is the answer part? |
| 14:22.35 | themill | colouragga: what abrotman said. It's a conffile so you need to explicitly ask dpkg to restore it |
| 14:23.10 | superlinux | hi, anyone here has a HP Proliant ML150 G1 server? |
| 14:23.47 | superlinux | i have troubles slowing down my chassis fan |
| 14:23.58 | petemc | alcohol: yes, so ns{1,2,3}.transip.net |
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| 14:24.24 | alcohol | petemc: but those are nameservers belonging to the company that registers our domains for us |
| 14:24.32 | petemc | and? |
| 14:24.40 | colouragga | mmmm when i run the dpkg tool like that abrotman i get a lot of crying from it |
| 14:24.41 | alcohol | petemc: I need to add the spf records on there..? |
| 14:24.45 | petemc | alcohol: yes |
| 14:24.58 | abrotman | colouragga: "crying" is not helpful |
| 14:25.07 | alcohol | petemc: hrm, I have no access to their machines. I can add dns records through a web panel though. would that be useful? |
| 14:25.20 | petemc | alcohol: yes, add a txt record |
| 14:25.26 | colouragga | abrotman: it tells me about a missing action option |
| 14:25.30 | colouragga | > dpkg confmiss libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:25.30 | colouragga | dpkg: need an action option |
| 14:25.30 | dpkg | colouragga: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:25.41 | alcohol | petemc: ah, I see! |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | !tell colouragga about confmiss |
| 14:25.43 | colouragga | ah i should have done it in the channel :+ |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | the package is libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:26.10 | colouragga | I know :) |
| 14:26.11 | alcohol | petemc: something like this then "v=spf1 a mx include:xs4all.nl ~all" ? |
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| 14:26.44 | abrotman | colouragga: my fault .. i have a bad habit of using ".." to separate things instead of actual punctation :) |
| 14:27.01 | petemc | alcohol: ive only ever done it with an ip, there are many guides to setting up spf, and a few ways to do it |
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| 14:27.24 | alcohol | yeah I tried http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html |
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| 14:27.36 | colouragga | abrotman: no problem, got it up and running again |
| 14:27.40 | colouragga | thanks for the help :) |
| 14:28.09 | alcohol | petemc: what should be the record name? |
| 14:28.31 | alcohol | petemc: previous records have values such as *, @, localhost |
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| 14:29.31 | petemc | alcohol: im not an expect on spf |
| 14:29.35 | alcohol | oh |
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| 14:30.16 | petemc | domain.com. 604800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a ip4:1.2.3.4/32 -all" , is what i have for one domain |
| 14:30.30 | alcohol | yeah |
| 14:30.31 | CellKill | ^^ similar |
| 14:30.43 | CellKill | I also have an SPF entry (non-rfc i believe) |
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| 14:35.28 | xerophyte1 | I have folder with 10 Million files, what is the best way to move that files to a different server ? |
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| 14:36.04 | DrAkOSX | morning |
| 14:36.28 | DrAkOSX | whats the easies way to reset a forgotten root?s password? |
| 14:36.45 | themill | dpkg: tell DrAkOSX about ifrp |
| 14:36.58 | nsadmin | xerophyte1: du -s /that/folder says what? |
| 14:37.13 | themill | xerophyte1: a tar pipe over ssh, most likely. |
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| 14:39.07 | xerophyte1 | nsadmin: its stil thinking :) i just to move different nfs mount on the same server |
| 14:39.27 | DrAkOSX | themill, ty |
| 14:39.36 | themill | no worries |
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| 14:40.42 | alcohol | petemc: erf, adding it to transip doesn't seem to be helping |
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| 14:40.59 | petemc | alcohol: how are you checking? |
| 14:41.08 | alcohol | http://www.kitterman.com/spf/validate.html |
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| 14:41.37 | petemc | host -t txt apeldoorner.com |
| 14:41.39 | S-i-A | i have this error by compile gimp 2.6.4 on Lenny |
| 14:41.40 | petemc | works here |
| 14:41.41 | S-i-A | http://paste.debian.net/25278/ |
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| 14:42.02 | alcohol | works in what sense? |
| 14:42.05 | alcohol | what does it return? |
| 14:42.12 | petemc | apeldoorner.com TXT "v=spf1 a mx include:xs4all.nl ~all" |
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| 14:42.22 | alcohol | oh |
| 14:42.22 | alcohol | I see |
| 14:43.02 | alcohol | sends test e-mail |
| 14:43.08 | SerajewelKS | DrAkOSX: boot a live cd and run passwd in a chroot |
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| 14:43.19 | petemc | spf isnt a silver bullet anyway |
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| 14:43.53 | anoHito | where is the mysql error log located ? |
| 14:43.59 | anoHito | i use etch |
| 14:44.05 | nsadmin | S-i-A: before building gimp (or anything) find out what it requires to build and what it requires to run, and satisfy those |
| 14:44.12 | SerajewelKS | anoHito: /var/log, like everything else |
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| 14:44.39 | anoHito | SerajewelKS, there isnt a mysql |
| 14:44.53 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a bunch of .3gp files to convert to avi i was wondering if anyone has around a script that does in batch |
| 14:45.04 | SerajewelKS | anoHito: then you are not using debian-packaged mysql |
| 14:45.35 | S-i-A | nsadmin, that is right, but is total dummy if Lenny have gimp 2.4.7 as standard. Lenny is Testing but to many OLD :) |
| 14:45.57 | nsadmin | S-i-A: lenny is frozen |
| 14:45.57 | SerajewelKS | anoHito: if you compiled mysql yourself you need to check the mysql config file |
| 14:45.58 | abrotman | anoHito: /var/log/mysql/ i believe |
| 14:46.02 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, i have one that could probably be modified. do you want any resolution changes or anything fancy? or just straight to avi |
| 14:46.08 | SerajewelKS | !lose abrotman |
| 14:46.08 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: get a real database :) |
| 14:46.27 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: straight to avi |
| 14:46.29 | anoHito | ok |
| 14:46.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: FACE |
| 14:46.35 | nsadmin | like postgres |
| 14:46.44 | S-i-A | nsadmin, what u mean with frozen, many package are to OLd on Lenny, |
| 14:46.53 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: or mpeg. or anything that can play the sound..since 3gp has no sound on my box.. |
| 14:46.55 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: Find A Certified Eunich ? |
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| 14:47.05 | assasukasse | i manually converted a couple and they got sound, in avi and mpeg |
| 14:47.12 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: nice try, but lame :P |
| 14:47.20 | nsadmin | S-i-A: no new versions are permitted in unless they are granted an exception |
| 14:47.24 | nsadmin | frozen. |
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| 14:47.50 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, is there no sound because there is a codec problem? if so you wont be able to decode the audio and recode it. you will have the same problem |
| 14:47.53 | nsadmin | if you're building gimp, you have to find out and satisfy the build requirements |
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| 14:48.26 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: once i converted them to AVI, i got sound..i used this http://www.miksoft.net/mobileMediaConverter.htm but is overkill, i don't need a gui i need a script! |
| 14:48.28 | SerajewelKS | S-i-A: what's wrong with the debian-packaged gimp? |
| 14:48.30 | alcohol | petemc: it passes :) thank you for your time. |
| 14:48.47 | petemc | np |
| 14:48.58 | S-i-A | nsadmin, PHP version is to old, gimp, openoffice, Gnome, KDE, Apache ..etc |
| 14:49.00 | themill | S-i-A: because debian likes to actually make a release every now and then, it needs to stop the packages changing all the time and try to shake the bugs out of them |
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| 14:49.19 | themill | !versionsmite S-i-A |
| 14:49.19 | dpkg | upgrades S-i-A to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 14:49.27 | S-i-A | themill, that is agood argument, u r right |
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| 14:49.57 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, so you ran that in wine? or windows? that program most likely has the codecs built in for audio. does that program support command line? |
| 14:50.05 | SerajewelKS | S-i-A: is there a specific reason you need to build gimp yourself? |
| 14:50.13 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: nop, is a linux precompiled binary.. |
| 14:50.23 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: with static libs |
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| 14:51.40 | nsadmin | 42.1??! that's even more than the meaning of life, the universe and everything! |
| 14:51.51 | S-i-A | SerajewelKS, really nothing completely, wanted experimentation :) |
| 14:52.22 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: no cli commands..but i can see what command it executes hold on i will post |
| 14:52.45 | nsadmin | S-i-A: all you have to do is find out what it needs to build (the build requirements) and install those (satisfy the build requirements) |
| 14:54.38 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: it uses ffmpeg FFmpeg version SVN-r14829, Copyright (c) 2000-2008 Fabrice Bellard, et al. |
| 14:54.38 | assasukasse | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.46 | nsadmin | those should be in a file called README or INSTALL |
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| 14:54.54 | S-i-A | nsadmin, i said above, u r right :) tnanx |
| 14:55.13 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, use pastebin.com |
| 14:55.17 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: basically i think reencodes in mp3 |
| 14:55.20 | nsadmin | you didn't say that to me, and it was not an argument I was clarifying... |
| 14:55.30 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: that's all it does..i can't see anything else |
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| 14:56.26 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: http://debian.pastebin.com/d74563900 |
| 14:56.56 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: that's all i can see since is a precompiled.. |
| 14:57.03 | Lagbolt | hmm, that is not so helpful. those look like the compile time configuration options |
| 14:57.08 | nsadmin | what I'm trying to say to you now, is do it! experiment! you can! and I gave you a starting point |
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| 14:58.19 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, let me try a 3g2 file on my machine. brb |
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| 14:58.46 | assasukasse | oki Lagbolt |
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| 15:02.41 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, ok i got it |
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| 15:06.42 | lxsameer | where can i find debian installer source code and some desciption about that? |
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| 15:07.38 | nsadmin | lxsameer: it's pretty easy to find |
| 15:08.08 | lxsameer | nsadmin : i can't find any thing useful can you tell me please? |
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| 15:10.19 | nsadmin | https://code.launchpad.net/debian-installer |
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| 15:12.47 | nsadmin | svn://svn.debian.org/svn/d-i/trunk/installer |
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| 15:14.14 | nsadmin | lxsameer: those are two repositories for debian-installer, with the second one being closer to the originators |
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| 15:14.35 | lxsameer | nsadmin : thanks but first link is broken |
| 15:14.58 | nsadmin | it shouldn't be, I just tested it |
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| 15:15.55 | tzanger | good morning |
| 15:16.05 | nsadmin | tested again, seems it's not... ok, try this: |
| 15:16.10 | lxsameer | nsadmin : i just get connection timeout |
| 15:16.13 | nsadmin | https://code.launchpad.net/debian-installer/main/ |
| 15:16.27 | ubuntoil | Hi, I try to install debian lenny in a dual boot OSX/Debian following this tutorial :http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook. It goes very very well, until the install of the boot manager (LILO) and I get the following error, given that I use the turnaround of troubleshouting 2 http://pastebin.com/dc9e111a Does anyone knows where it might come from please ? |
| 15:16.50 | tzanger | I'm trying to do things the debian way here... I would like to add a custom search parameter to /etc/resolv.conf. I know this file is blown away by the network scripts and dhcp. Where do I put things that I'd like to be added within that framework? |
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| 15:17.37 | nsadmin | ubuntoil: lilo?? |
| 15:17.43 | nsadmin | why not grub? |
| 15:18.35 | alcohol | petemc: any idea how long it could take for the dns to refresh? on some domains I also added the txt record, but it is not showing up using host -t txt domain. |
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| 15:19.09 | lxsameer | how can i build a small distro based on debian ? |
| 15:19.34 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: mostly because the tutorial said more or less to use lilo. honestly I don't care as long as i can boot |
| 15:20.28 | nsadmin | where is lilo installed to? |
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| 15:20.54 | enouf | wait, how do i add a new qotd? |
| 15:21.16 | themill | tzanger: "/msg dpkg fixresolvconf" and fiddle with /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base as described but with search rather than nameserver. |
| 15:21.26 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: /sbin |
| 15:21.42 | tzanger | themill: danke |
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| 15:21.52 | tzanger | I knew it was something with resolvconf but there isn't any man page for it, I was just googling :-) |
| 15:22.10 | nsadmin | I knew that, but when you run lilo, where does it put the boot loader? (according to lilo.conf) |
| 15:22.27 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I have no idea |
| 15:22.58 | themill | tzanger: no worries. /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz and man 8 resolvconf should help. |
| 15:22.59 | nsadmin | ok, could you pastebin your /etc/lilo.conf |
| 15:23.09 | miksuh | ubuntoil: well lilo is more or less obsolete, but if it works then fine |
| 15:23.42 | ubuntoil | not easy since right now I'm using the macosX (which I hate...) |
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| 15:25.20 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: shall I do the same than in the tutorial and then install grub instead of lilo ? |
| 15:25.26 | nsadmin | the basic deal is... lilo can go in one of five places on your hd... MBR, or boot sector of any of the four primary partitions |
| 15:25.32 | enouf | dpkg: say thanks to themill |
| 15:25.33 | dpkg | thanks to themill |
| 15:25.44 | themill | :D |
| 15:25.50 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:26.11 | nsadmin | dpkg: say I am a teapot short and stout |
| 15:26.11 | dpkg | I am a teapot short and stout |
| 15:26.26 | themill | !botspank |
| 15:26.26 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 15:26.43 | nsadmin | yer hurting poor dpkg! |
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| 15:27.26 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: my debian partition is the fourth (1 refit, 2 osx, 3 swap, 4 debian) |
| 15:28.54 | ubuntoil | shall I modify (by hand) the lilo.conf ? |
| 15:29.18 | nsadmin | I'd like to see it |
| 15:29.35 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: way too hard ? |
| 15:29.35 | nsadmin | maybe it will show where it's installed to |
| 15:30.01 | nsadmin | how would you go about modifying it? |
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| 15:30.52 | nsadmin | one thing you could probably do, btw, is mount one of your existing macos partitions and then copy the file there |
| 15:31.25 | nsadmin | is part of the problem that you can't get networking going? or just that you can't boot it? |
| 15:31.51 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: no, just can't boot it, otherwise I guess everything is fine |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | ubuntoil: ppc or i386? |
| 15:32.12 | ubuntoil | i386 |
| 15:32.17 | nsadmin | can you boot the install media and rescue? |
| 15:32.22 | abrotman | i'm out of that conversatoin :) |
| 15:32.31 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I guess yes |
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| 15:32.49 | enouf | themill: er, having some issues with which number comes next :-P (qotdxxx) .. just tell me please:-) |
| 15:32.51 | ubuntoil | abrotman: you ppc guy ;-) |
| 15:33.00 | nsadmin | if you can do that, maybe you can live without a boot loader for a minute |
| 15:33.12 | abrotman | ubuntoil: i have a ppc osx/debian .. but i was going to point you to the ppc channel |
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| 15:33.27 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: please show me the way... |
| 15:33.35 | ubuntoil | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:34.03 | enouf | abrotman: can some ppc also use refit? |
| 15:34.04 | ubuntoil | abrotman: troubles with the bootloader for you ?? |
| 15:34.11 | themill | enouf: 226 is the next free one. despite what the qotd factoid said. Once you've created one, qotd =~ s/222/227/. |
| 15:34.22 | nsadmin | you can try this... boot the cd, it gets to a "boot: " prompt, type rescue |
| 15:34.35 | enouf | themill: ok - thanks |
| 15:34.46 | nsadmin | does he need to set root=? |
| 15:34.49 | abrotman | ubuntoil: it's different for PPC |
| 15:34.55 | abrotman | enouf: uhm, not sure, haven't tried |
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| 15:35.09 | abrotman | the little minis make decent linux boxes .. damn quiet |
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| 15:35.53 | ubuntoil | abrotman: minis are ppc ? |
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| 15:36.17 | ubuntoil | abrotman: must be an awesome media center... |
| 15:36.31 | enouf | abrotman: ok, my brain just automatically ties anything EFI related to the macintels (amongst others), and not any PPC, though i'm asking cause i'm not sure |
| 15:36.55 | abrotman | ubuntoil: the older ones are .. before apple started selling intel CPUs stuff |
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| 15:37.34 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: and then ? |
| 15:37.56 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. ask simonrvn .. he might know |
| 15:37.59 | nsadmin | I think you have to type rescue root=/dev/something |
| 15:38.10 | nsadmin | then just hit enter |
| 15:38.12 | ubuntoil | abrotman: quite expensive though |
| 15:38.42 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: probable /dev/sda4 since my debian is on the fourth partition |
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| 15:38.55 | nsadmin | ok, try that :) |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | ubuntoil: not really .. i got it after the i386 ones were introduced as a refurb unit .. everything works except the ppp modem |
| 15:39.20 | nsadmin | it's a scsi disk? |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | ubuntoil: ISTR it was like $400 |
| 15:39.47 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: then I should be able to boot on it...then install required material to make it boo "normally" |
| 15:40.15 | nsadmin | or... live without a boot loader if rescuing works |
| 15:40.21 | ubuntoil | abrotman: lucky american dudes, europe is quite expensive apple wise |
| 15:40.48 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: somehow more convenient to have a boot loader |
| 15:40.48 | nsadmin | everywhere is quite expensive applewise |
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| 15:40.50 | abrotman | i'm sure .. darn VAT :) |
| 15:41.11 | ubuntoil | compare eu/us prices you'll get my point |
| 15:41.18 | nsadmin | ubuntoil: I was without a boot loader for a year... I used a boot floppy |
| 15:41.39 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: not floppy on a macbook pro...but got your point |
| 15:42.40 | ubuntoil | C U later guys, I'll try to boot on debian...thanx |
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| 15:43.10 | supersoundguy | how much memory do the generic 2.6-686 kernels support? |
| 15:43.30 | nsadmin | generical amounts! |
| 15:43.32 | Eulex | up to 3-4gb |
| 15:43.53 | supersoundguy | bigmem goes up to 64 right? |
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| 15:44.05 | Eulex | I believe so |
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| 15:44.11 | abrotman | 4GB, bigmem goes to 64GB .. minus PAE overhead |
| 15:44.20 | Eulex | you don't want to have 64gb and pae, though :) |
| 15:44.26 | abrotman | -486 goes to .. 960MB IIRC |
| 15:44.50 | nsadmin | what is pae exactly? |
| 15:44.56 | abrotman | !pae |
| 15:44.56 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 15:44.58 | Eulex | sane limit for pae would be 8gb or 16gb |
| 15:46.46 | nsadmin | do amd64x2s have pae? |
| 15:46.56 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 15:47.02 | supersoundguy | how "noticeable" is the overhead for pae? |
| 15:47.31 | nsadmin | it seems like you're saying it can be turned on and off? |
| 15:47.48 | abrotman | supersoundguy: CPU wise? or wasted RAM wise? |
| 15:47.56 | jelly-home | speedwise |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | speedwise .. with a modern CPU, you'll not notice |
| 15:48.37 | maligor | single 32bit processes can't access it all tho |
| 15:48.53 | abrotman | that's the OS |
| 15:48.55 | maligor | unless there's extensions to addressing it on userspace |
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| 15:49.41 | hlrz | hi |
| 15:50.09 | nsadmin | would pae automatically be turned on for an amd64 in the presence of i386 userland? |
| 15:50.27 | enouf | abrotman: ok |
| 15:51.08 | enouf | wtf? /whois and /who isn't working? |
| 15:51.14 | hlrz | is there mencoder package for debian ? |
| 15:51.19 | enouf | !seen dutchfish |
| 15:51.19 | dpkg | dutchfish <n=wil@84.28.246.30> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16h 49m 55s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 15:51.30 | nsadmin | it works |
| 15:52.18 | mhymn | hlrz: yes, in debian-multimedia repo |
| 15:52.21 | themill | dpkg: tell hlrz about mencoder |
| 15:54.02 | nsadmin | but /whois and doesn't work... |
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| 15:54.07 | nsadmin | anders_: No such nick/channel |
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| 15:54.53 | ubuntoil | I'm back |
| 15:54.59 | abrotman | RUN! |
| 15:55.14 | jelly-home | hied |
| 15:55.21 | pepperbob | so what happened, ubuntoil |
| 15:55.30 | ubuntoil | jelly-home: Hi |
| 15:55.41 | jelly-home | hides* |
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| 15:55.59 | ubuntoil | pepperbob: so fqr nothing, still in advances option of the boot menu on cd |
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| 15:56.35 | ubuntoil | I go to rescue mode... |
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| 15:57.02 | SKOM | hi |
| 15:57.21 | SKOM | does exist any way how to downgrade lenny to etch ? |
| 15:57.35 | themill | no. /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 15:57.38 | nsadmin | downgrading is not supported |
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| 15:58.01 | abrotman | SKOM: why would you? |
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| 15:58.10 | SKOM | because i want to |
| 15:58.11 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: it's doing a lot o stuff in rescue by the way... |
| 15:58.11 | nsadmin | and due to an early decision... never will be |
| 15:58.24 | nsadmin | did it boot? |
| 15:59.09 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: no. right now, it's asking me to choose the root system....I guess this is my fourth partition... |
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| 15:59.39 | nsadmin | yes, it's whatever is mounted on / |
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| 15:59.58 | nsadmin | didn't you say thats /dev/sda4? |
| 16:00.10 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I execute a shell in /dev/sda4 |
| 16:00.31 | ubuntoil | and now I have the prompt |
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| 16:00.58 | nsadmin | hmm,,, well that's better than nothing... |
| 16:01.02 | ubuntoil | sh-3.2# |
| 16:01.36 | nsadmin | I guess you can install packages now |
| 16:01.50 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I guess too... |
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| 16:01.58 | nsadmin | or you could also try telinit 2 |
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| 16:02.33 | gorgapor | is there a way to get a .deb package from an apt repository? like apt-get download <packagename> ? |
| 16:02.36 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: no such file or directory |
| 16:02.40 | nsadmin | apt-get -d install foo |
| 16:03.43 | nsadmin | ubuntoil, try /etc/init.d/networking start |
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| 16:04.07 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: done |
| 16:04.21 | nsadmin | try pinging yahoo.com |
| 16:04.44 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: works |
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| 16:04.55 | johndoe | can i set a virtual host on freenode? so when someone /whois me they get something like john@my.vhost |
| 16:05.29 | nsadmin | ahh so your net is up... you could now install irssi or other text based irc client and come here with that machine |
| 16:05.43 | petemc | johndoe: if you control the reverse zone for your ip you can do that by setting up the appropriate ptr record |
| 16:06.01 | petemc | johndoe: otherwise, you can ask the staff for a mask |
| 16:06.06 | mhymn | that's not a debian q tho |
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| 16:07.27 | nsadmin | ubuntoil: also from here you should be able to install the boot loader |
| 16:07.42 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: yeqh, I guess... |
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| 16:08.28 | nsadmin | ubuntoil: the kernel booted and you have a shell,,, that's pretty good so far |
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| 16:09.11 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: except thqt I can't launch irssi and i booted from the cdrom... |
| 16:09.33 | enouf | why not? |
| 16:09.36 | nsadmin | can't launch it? |
| 16:10.09 | nsadmin | enouf: I'm pretty sure he's in single user mode, but not sure how he got there |
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| 16:10.19 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: nop |
| 16:10.42 | nsadmin | echo $PATH |
| 16:10.54 | ubuntoil | setupterm() failed for TERM=bterm: 0 |
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| 16:11.46 | nsadmin | ok, but irssi tries to run |
| 16:11.48 | enouf | mounted ro? can't write to /tmp? |
| 16:11.53 | ubuntoil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.57 | enouf | or /var/ or whatever? |
| 16:12.24 | nsadmin | that looks reasonable for root's path |
| 16:12.58 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: shall I try to install grub ? |
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| 16:13.53 | nsadmin | I'm not totally sure it would work... |
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| 16:14.35 | supersoundguy | what major issues (if any) did any of you face when you moved to amd64? |
| 16:14.38 | nsadmin | I've not suggested you install your boot loader now because I'm not familiar with macbook |
| 16:14.54 | nsadmin | supersoundguy: money |
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| 16:15.23 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I can lauch irssi....from a virtual terminal |
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| 16:15.44 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I don't know how to use it though |
| 16:15.44 | nsadmin | ahh, then maybe you could come here with it |
| 16:16.06 | nsadmin | it's a plainish text-based irc client |
| 16:16.13 | PepperBob | ubuntoil: just a probably inappropriate question: can't you just put all this in some virtual box? |
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| 16:16.43 | ubuntoil | PepperBob: don't get your point ? |
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| 16:17.17 | PepperBob | ubuntoil: "virtualbox" for example, building a virtual machine |
| 16:17.31 | SerajewelKS | supersoundguy: the biggest issue for me is the lack of an amd64 java browser plugin |
| 16:17.53 | SerajewelKS | supersoundguy: supposedly there's one in beta now... four years after the bug was filed with Sun. other than that amd64 runs fine. |
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| 16:18.12 | PepperBob | ubuntoil: as you want to keep os x anyway... |
| 16:18.18 | nsadmin | is really tired... |
| 16:18.33 | themill | !coffee nsadmin |
| 16:18.34 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for nsadmin, courtesy of themill |
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| 16:18.48 | themill | hah. bad luck on that one. |
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| 16:19.02 | nsadmin | that would normally sound good except I gotta sleep :) |
| 16:19.03 | supersoundguy | thanks for the input guys...i think i'm going to go amd64 when my new kit comes in |
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| 16:19.36 | nsadmin | you might as well try an amd64xN where N is 2 or 4 |
| 16:19.48 | SerajewelKS | supersoundguy: also, there is no zsnes port for amd64 :) |
| 16:19.57 | supersoundguy | lol |
| 16:20.03 | nsadmin | and pump the damn thing as full of ram as you can get |
| 16:20.10 | SerajewelKS | and snes9x sucks ass |
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| 16:20.23 | supersoundguy | i've got about 10G that's going in there |
| 16:20.45 | SerajewelKS | my desktop is amd64 2.8 x2 with 4g ram i think |
| 16:20.54 | SerajewelKS | and somewhere around 800gb of lvm'd disk |
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| 16:21.18 | SerajewelKS | and an 8800gt :) |
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| 16:26.59 | SOUL_OF_R00T | bom dia Babyes... :) |
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| 16:30.48 | jimpy | can anyone explain why the package nagios-nrpe-server depends on mysql!?! |
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| 16:32.26 | mhymn | it doesn't |
| 16:32.35 | jimpy | it shouldnt |
| 16:32.51 | jimpy | it just tried starting it when i installed it |
| 16:33.04 | jimpy | but ofc failed due to drbd not being mounted |
| 16:33.34 | jelly-home | jimpy: you might have had a pending unfinished upgrade of mysql-server-* |
| 16:33.59 | jelly-home | jimpy: show the complete output of your command |
| 16:34.06 | jimpy | thats true, ill have a look |
| 16:34.56 | jimpy | sry yeah your right |
| 16:35.06 | jimpy | shouldnt have jumped to conculusions |
| 16:35.07 | jelly-home | my right what? |
| 16:35.16 | jimpy | it was an incomplete upgrade |
| 16:35.25 | jelly-home | oh |
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| 16:36.05 | jimpy | nagios-nrpe-server installed successfully |
| 16:36.12 | mhymn | (confession) |
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| 16:43.27 | Stereo | hello |
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| 16:43.54 | martian67 | does anyone know of a password safe like application for the linux console |
| 16:44.10 | Stereo | I'd like to generate a static /etc/network/interfaces from what the dhcp server gives me at boot, is there already a way to do this? |
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| 16:45.08 | petemc | Stereo: you could parse the output of ifconfig |
| 16:45.25 | Stereo | yeah, something like that |
| 16:45.26 | petemc | and route.. |
| 16:46.31 | cpbills | i'm having a terrible time with apt... it's dying on installing reportbug, and i can't remove it, either... python might have been corrupted (power fail, fsck.ext3 "fixed" things on reboot...) so i removed/reinstalled it... here's a paste of the errors: http://pastebin.ca/1300198 |
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| 16:46.48 | cpbills | s/apt/dpkg |
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| 16:47.42 | mhymn | martian67: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:48.15 | martian67 | [09:48] <dpkg> wish i knew |
| 16:48.17 | martian67 | heh |
| 16:48.35 | cpbills | martian67: soemthing like 'apt-cache search password' might show something useful, or something completely unuseful. |
| 16:48.50 | martian67 | definately unuseful |
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| 16:49.04 | enouf | s/unusefull/useless ;-) |
| 16:49.10 | cpbills | martian67: otherwise, you can check freshmeat.net or sf.net |
| 16:49.28 | dutchfish | cpbills, have you tried this as root? have you tried reinstalling pycentral? |
| 16:49.37 | enouf | cpbills: what are you doing with dpkg? |
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| 16:49.54 | cpbills | enouf: 'dpkg -i reportbug_3.31+etch1_all.deb' |
| 16:50.17 | cpbills | dpkg -l shows 'iFR reportbug 3.31+etch1 reports bugs in the Debian distribution |
| 16:50.18 | dpkg | ii shows 'iFR reportbug 3.31+etch1 reports bugs in the Debian distribution 1.1-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 16:50.57 | cpbills | that was weird... anyhow... the status of the package is ... b0rked, to put it mildly. |
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| 16:53.58 | cpbills | is there anyway to get dpkg/apt to ... forget about the package... or fix the apparent python error in my pastelog...? |
| 16:55.05 | cpbills | or do i need to un-ar the deb, find the files it installed, and manually clean them from my system... |
| 16:55.25 | dutchfish | cpbills, dpkg --purge [foo] |
| 16:55.57 | cpbills | dutchfish: doesn't work |
| 16:56.10 | dutchfish | cpbills, any errors? |
| 16:56.11 | cpbills | "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." |
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| 16:57.10 | dutchfish | cpbills, download in manually then dpkg -i packagename.deb && dpkg --purge [foo] |
| 16:57.13 | doublehp | how is it possible sda1 exist without sda ? |
| 16:57.37 | cpbills | dutchfish: dies on install. http://pastebin.ca/1300198 |
| 16:57.55 | dutchfish | cpbills, aptitude purhe [foo] ? |
| 16:58.01 | dutchfish | s/purhe/purge |
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| 16:59.37 | cpbills | dutchfish: again, failure. the underlying program for apt/aptitude/etc seems to be dpkg and dpkg is failing on it. |
| 17:00.17 | dutchfish | cpbills, aptitude reinstall [foo] |
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| 17:00.47 | stew | cpbills: show us the output of "dpkg --configure -a" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:01.38 | enouf | dutchfish: still having issues with rfcomm things? |
| 17:01.50 | dutchfish | enouf, no, solved it ;) |
| 17:01.54 | enouf | cpbills: well - checked BTS about it? |
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| 17:04.22 | enouf | dutchfish: ok .. i was told when trying to help another .. about this thing; a "callout device" which is basically; |
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| 17:04.45 | enouf | "that callout device (driver)s were traditionally used to control the line settings of a (tty) device. The data would be sent and received through one device node, and any line-setting changes would be sent to a different device node, which was the callout device (driver). Today almost all tty device drivers handle both the data and the line settings on the same device node, and the callout device (driver) type is rarely used any more" - so |
| 17:05.00 | enouf | dutchfish: For example: /dev/curf0 would be the callout device driver to /dev/rfcomm0 in a Bluetooth communication. |
| 17:05.03 | cpbills | stew: i get no output from that command. |
| 17:05.16 | dutchfish | enouf, bluetooth can only handle 1 connection at a time, so disbaling incoming did the trick, also minor others |
| 17:05.26 | enouf | dutchfish: made me think of you and your issue ;-) |
| 17:05.33 | enouf | dutchfish: i see |
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| 17:05.52 | dutchfish | enouf, the split in/out is not in linux |
| 17:06.00 | dutchfish | enouf, not needed |
| 17:06.15 | dutchfish | enouf, i can send comands too |
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| 17:06.50 | j-b | Hello. Where is the best place to discuss with debian-legal team ? |
| 17:06.59 | dutchfish | enouf, thats i in EMEA standard |
| 17:07.15 | cpbills | enouf: i believe it is related to some disk errors and bad files, somewhere... fsck 'fixed' quite a few things, on re-boot. i'm attempting to clean up the problems. |
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| 17:07.53 | enouf | cpbills: doesn't hurt to fsck once more ;-) .. |
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| 17:08.18 | cpbills | enouf: heh |
| 17:08.22 | cpbills | fair enough |
| 17:08.24 | enouf | dutchfish: so, in linux, a callout device isn't used atleast as far as BT comm is concerned? |
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| 17:08.57 | themill | j-b: there's a #debian-legal on oftc, but most stuff is discussed on their mailing list. See lists.debian.org for information. |
| 17:09.10 | dutchfish | enouf, not that i am aware off, both channels are separate (on air) but guided to one serial device |
| 17:09.37 | cpbills | i think i'll wipe and install lenny... |
| 17:09.41 | dutchfish | enouf, it depends on wich device yuo use, maybe |
| 17:09.45 | enouf | dutchfish: i see - ok, cool - which kernels? .28? or earlier as well? |
| 17:09.47 | abrotman | cpbills: did you try aptitude -f install ? |
| 17:09.57 | dutchfish | enouf, 2.6.28 with some patches |
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| 17:10.15 | j-b | themill: thx |
| 17:10.24 | enouf | dutchfish: well, perhaps the code/methods have been cleaned up/altered since say .16 ? :-P |
| 17:10.25 | cpbills | abrotman: yes... i've tried forcing it... it's dying on a pre-install script for the package something is wrong with python... |
| 17:10.44 | abrotman | something is wrong with python-central .. perhaps try reinstalling that package? |
| 17:10.47 | enouf | cpbills: did you do what stew suggested? |
| 17:10.52 | dutchfish | enouf, could be, but its actually working great and along with my wlan |
| 17:11.04 | enouf | dutchfish: coolios |
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| 17:11.28 | cpbills | enouf: yes "dpkg --configure -a" returns nothing |
| 17:11.32 | j-b | themill: there is noone on that channel... too bad |
| 17:11.33 | dutchfish | enouf, the only thing left are the LED devices in this lappy and soft touch switches |
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| 17:12.35 | dutchfish | enouf, i got S1 .. S4 states working lang with suspend/hybernate |
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| 17:12.59 | dutchfish | enouf, even the usb busses play nice now |
| 17:13.00 | ubuntoil | nsadmin: I'm running debian right NOW ...!! victoire like frogs say... |
| 17:13.02 | enouf | s/lang/along ? |
| 17:13.08 | enouf | dutchfish: heh |
| 17:13.30 | dutchfish | enouf, i had major issues with sub and suspend in 2.6.26 |
| 17:13.35 | dutchfish | s/sub/usb |
| 17:14.01 | dutchfish | enouf, thats all history now |
| 17:14.15 | abrotman | cpbills: dpkg -l python-central .. which version is installed ? |
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| 17:14.27 | enouf | dutchfish: nice to know ;-) |
| 17:14.29 | stew | cpbills: can you show us the actual errors you are seeing? |
| 17:14.39 | abrotman | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1300198 |
| 17:14.39 | cpbills | abrotman: 0.5.12 |
| 17:14.58 | dutchfish | enouf, and wlan 100mbit N1 wpa2 |
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| 17:16.07 | stew | so the problem is with pickle? |
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| 17:16.26 | cpbills | your guess is better than mine... |
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| 17:16.29 | stew | cpbills: you might try reinstalling python2.4 |
| 17:16.50 | dutchfish | stew, cpbills maybe pycentral will do |
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| 17:16.55 | cpbills | i did that, but i can always do it again |
| 17:17.08 | stew | dutchfish: this doesn't look like a pycentral problem with me |
| 17:17.20 | dutchfish | stew, ok |
| 17:17.37 | cpbills | i stand corrected. i removed 'python' not python2.4... we'll see if this helps |
| 17:18.16 | stew | cpbills: you might try "aptitude reinstall python python2.4 python-minimal" |
| 17:18.52 | stew | cpbills: and tell me what happens when you run "echo import pickle | python" |
| 17:18.52 | dutchfish | cpbills, there is one more thing, your cache might be b0rken, you could clean that and try install it again, small odds so ... |
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| 17:19.00 | stew | dutchfish: which cache? |
| 17:19.07 | dutchfish | stew, apt |
| 17:19.39 | stew | dutchfish: broken meaning what? |
| 17:20.11 | dutchfish | stew, i had thta ones myself, the files in the cache where no tok, but faulty connection during download (in etch) |
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| 17:20.23 | cpbills | stew: 'ValueError: bad marshal data' |
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| 17:20.37 | stew | cpbills: ok, so this problem is a problem with python itself |
| 17:20.50 | cpbills | seems that way... |
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| 17:21.01 | stew | cpbills: (and has nothing to do with pycentral / apt / reportbug / etc) |
| 17:21.51 | stew | cpbills: try "aptitude reinstall python-2.4-minimal" and then "echo import pickle | python" again |
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| 17:23.53 | cpbills | stew: that was it |
| 17:24.00 | cpbills | python2.4-minimal |
| 17:24.35 | cpbills | reportbug is properly installed now... sometimes i hate package managers... but trying to fix this in slackware would have been 10x harder. |
| 17:24.42 | cpbills | thank you |
| 17:26.25 | cpbills | let's hope that was all that was screwed up by the power failure... is there anyway to check the packages on a system to make sure they're ok? |
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| 17:31.11 | alexandro | amigo: prolly a iowait, find out what its doing |
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| 17:32.05 | dutchfish | cpbills, sudo apt-get install debsums ... sudo debsums -l |
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| 17:32.38 | dutchfish | cpbills, http://www.wiredfool.com/2008/03/17/debian-integrity-checking/ |
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| 17:34.38 | stoned | hey awesome |
| 17:34.50 | stoned | I haven't dropped since I upgraded FW last night |
| 17:35.16 | stoned | usually I was dropping every so often |
| 17:35.18 | amigo | alexandro, can you see ps command output? http://paste.org/index.php?id=4705 |
| 17:35.49 | stoned | is there an irc command to tell you how long you've been connected? or is just /whois stoned stoned good enough? |
| 17:35.51 | cahoot | stoned: describing some age related medical condition? |
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| 17:36.09 | stoned | cahoot, you don't remember my idiotic internet connection? |
| 17:36.35 | cahoot | you probably don't want an answer to that |
| 17:36.41 | stoned | abrotman/enouf suggested that I upgrade the router FW, which seemed to work fine up until last week or so without any configuration change |
| 17:37.07 | stoned | last night I was like fuck it, so I upgraded to the latest ddwrt v24sp1 and voila, no more BS problems |
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| 17:37.50 | stoned | and I hardreset the router after upgrade and wiped clean the nvram |
| 17:37.55 | supersoundguy | stoned: i think /uptime gives you a list of how long your client's been up |
| 17:38.18 | stoned | I have since then restored the router to its previous configuration with all the firewall rules scripts I wrote and everything from before |
| 17:38.30 | amigo | hmm, Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 17:39.08 | stoned | so the thing that I cannot help but wonder, is how come the previous firmware with same settings worked for say half a year, and then started going out in the last week |
| 17:39.28 | stoned | now I have an updated firmware and SAME settings, and I have no problem |
| 17:39.36 | stoned | it just makes no technical sense whatsoever |
| 17:39.38 | JyZyXEL | god damn this is ridiculous |
| 17:39.46 | stoned | you're tellin' me. |
| 17:39.52 | JyZyXEL | youtube takes a fuckload of CPU on linux |
| 17:39.59 | stoned | its flash my man, flash |
| 17:40.05 | cahoot | i e flash? |
| 17:40.05 | JyZyXEL | they suck so hard |
| 17:40.07 | JyZyXEL | SO HARD |
| 17:40.21 | stoned | thats a good thing isn't it? don't we consider sucking to be a good thing? |
| 17:40.24 | stoned | ;) |
| 17:40.30 | SlayerXP | decoding streams isn't exactly a light CPU operation. |
| 17:40.31 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, not on my pc |
| 17:40.48 | stoned | I have a 3.5ghz c2d here it is no problem |
| 17:40.55 | JyZyXEL | yea i bet |
| 17:41.01 | stoned | what have you got? |
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| 17:41.13 | JyZyXEL | i have a 2.5 GHz Pentium 4, but its from 2002 |
| 17:41.38 | JyZyXEL | and no hope watching youtube on iceweasel |
| 17:41.40 | stoned | my laptop is a dell inspiron with 512 ram and 1.8ghz p4 |
| 17:42.07 | stoned | I watch you tubes on it all the time without a problem, OVER the network sometimes |
| 17:42.22 | JyZyXEL | its fine once you loaded the video |
| 17:42.24 | stoned | like I ssh -X into it, and start konqueror on it, and have it display on my desktop while I youtube |
| 17:42.29 | JyZyXEL | but if its loading the video while you watch |
| 17:43.19 | enouf | JyZyXEL: -cache 4096 or something |
| 17:43.21 | negge | has anybody here successfully installed XBMC from SVN on Lenny? I'm following a wague guide right now and was hoping someone could give me some directions on how they did it |
| 17:43.27 | stoned | I haven't experienced any slowdowns |
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| 17:44.05 | doti | Hello. I'm using libtidy to indent the html code generated by php but when i try the output code is aligned to the left. The code is here: http://www.pastebin.com/d3e49a4c2 |
| 17:44.16 | ShikadiLord | is there any way to check why a remote DHCP server might not be answering to me? |
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| 17:45.07 | stoned | 12:44 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 0d 16h 23m 18s |
| 17:45.22 | JyZyXEL | enouf huh? |
| 17:45.36 | stoned | well... looks like my connection problems have gone away, I've never had a uptime this high! 16 hours, damn. |
| 17:45.49 | dutchfish | ShikadiLord, http://debianclusters.cs.uni.edu/index.php/Troubleshooting_DHCP |
| 17:46.01 | ShikadiLord | I cannot use hostnames :) |
| 17:46.02 | sk4 | -!- Irssi: Uptime: 4d 20h 140183437574160m 8589934597s |
| 17:46.03 | Mike0x0 | I've got two monitors set up using the ATI Catalyst drivers with xinerama. I *had* a primary larger monitor on the left and a smaller on the right. I had to switch them around (small left, big right), but I can't figure out how to tell X that I want my mouse to cross over onto the other screne on the left edge of the monitor instead of the right. Is that possible? |
| 17:46.22 | stoned | Mike0x0, disable Xinerama |
| 17:46.30 | ShikadiLord | the nameserver line in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't do anything, or I got it wrong... |
| 17:46.34 | stoned | Mike0x0, disable the 2nd monitor in xorg.conf |
| 17:46.55 | Mike0x0 | stoned, Why? If I do that, it'll break a bunch of features. |
| 17:47.00 | stoned | Mike0x0, next, add a directive for option desktop big |
| 17:47.03 | Mike0x0 | stoned, Disabling ximerama, I mean. |
| 17:47.12 | Mike0x0 | Ok |
| 17:47.13 | stoned | you want to use fglrx's dual head mode. |
| 17:47.15 | dutchfish | ShikadiLord, man interfaces |
| 17:47.20 | stoned | it conflicts with xinerama |
| 17:47.28 | ShikadiLord | reading |
| 17:47.37 | stoned | Mike0x0, use the ati's big desktop option |
| 17:47.46 | Mike0x0 | stoned, Is there someplace I can learn how to set this up correctly then? |
| 17:47.48 | stoned | Mike0x0, it will automatically setup a virtual screen size |
| 17:47.52 | stoned | Mike0x0, #ati |
| 17:48.02 | stoned | read the fglrx documentation |
| 17:48.08 | stoned | all the optinos are explained there |
| 17:48.19 | ShikadiLord | can't find anything about DNS... |
| 17:48.20 | stoned | Mike0x0, you can also simply use something like aticonfig --help |
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| 17:49.00 | dutchfish | ShikadiLord, /etc/resolv.conf but with dhcp you get that automatically, that is if the dhcp server is setup the right way |
| 17:49.28 | ShikadiLord | not using DHCP since it won't reply to this laptop's interface in particular |
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| 17:51.31 | ShikadiLord | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 17:52.44 | dutchfish | ShikadiLord, you might also want to delve into this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/254 |
| 17:53.03 | dutchfish | ShikadiLord, yw |
| 17:54.22 | JyZyXEL | have my mouse niced at -19 and it still lags -.- |
| 17:54.29 | JyZyXEL | thats also gay |
| 17:55.21 | dutchfish | hands latencytop to JyZyXEL |
| 17:55.34 | JyZyXEL | guess this piece of shit machine just ain't good for desktop use anymore |
| 17:56.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, is the hardware, really? ;) |
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| 17:57.26 | JyZyXEL | its stupid that when the box is loading something i can't move my mouse |
| 17:57.41 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, shared interupts? |
| 17:57.48 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 17:57.52 | ShikadiLord | um... what is going on here? now that I'm connected with a static address teh DHCP respons properly |
| 17:57.56 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, check bios |
| 17:58.06 | JyZyXEL | the mouse comes over ethernet |
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| 17:58.18 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache show synergy |
| 17:58.21 | JyZyXEL | with that |
| 17:58.43 | JyZyXEL | nice doesn't seem to affect any way in it |
| 17:58.53 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, i dont know that one |
| 17:59.16 | JyZyXEL | whats this latencytop? |
| 17:59.20 | JyZyXEL | Please enable the CONFIG_LATENCYTOP configuration in your kernel. |
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| 18:00.10 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=synergy;dist=unstable |
| 18:00.26 | setuid | reportbug seems to be broken in Etch. I can't seem to purge or remove it either. |
| 18:00.31 | setuid | What is the best way to do this? |
| 18:00.47 | setuid | dpkg: error processing reportbug (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 18:00.47 | dpkg | setuid: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:00.58 | setuid | dpkg, yes it is, shush :) |
| 18:00.59 | dpkg | setuid: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 18:02.03 | JyZyXEL | how bout the latencytop? |
| 18:02.21 | JyZyXEL | Error writing to /proc/sys/kernel/latencytop: No such file or directory |
| 18:02.30 | JyZyXEL | touch: cannot touch `/proc/sys/kernel/latencytop': No such file or directory |
| 18:02.45 | JyZyXEL | lol how can touch say that |
| 18:03.29 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, on etch and lenny you need to recompile kernel, forget what i said |
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| 18:04.15 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, you probably running into a bug of that package, but again i don tknow thta one, never use dit |
| 18:05.01 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, the synergy package i meant |
| 18:05.02 | setuid | --purge --force-depends didn't help |
| 18:05.15 | JyZyXEL | well i was talking about latencytop |
| 18:06.15 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, its to hunt for ... well latency ... hickups .. what programs eat your system and the like ... but you need a kernel rebuild to get it working |
| 18:06.29 | JyZyXEL | yes thats what i want |
| 18:06.38 | JyZyXEL | the box is a lagfest |
| 18:06.47 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, http://packages.debian.org/lenny/latencytop |
| 18:07.05 | JyZyXEL | it won't work |
| 18:07.09 | JyZyXEL | i just apt-get installed it |
| 18:07.28 | JyZyXEL | its borken |
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| 18:07.44 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, http://www.linux.com/feature/146320 |
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| 18:08.22 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, no its not, it juste dneed a special kernel, you need to build it |
| 18:08.38 | JyZyXEL | Unfortunately, because the LatencyTOP project is still in its early days, you might have to patch your kernel in order to use LatencyTOP. You should start by downloading both the userland application and the kernel patch from the LatencyTOP page. |
| 18:09.09 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, no, its in lenny and etch (if i am right) but not enabled |
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| 18:09.40 | mns | I've got a Debian/testing system, with a printer attached to it. I would like people using Windows XP to be able to make use of that printer. I've enabled sharing in CUPS. I still can't see the printer. Anyone know how to go about getting this done ? |
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| 18:10.52 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, grep "CONFIG_LATENCYTOP" /boot/config-$(uname -r) .. to know |
| 18:11.04 | cahoot | mns: you could just create a 'raw' printer in the server and point windows to http://<server>:631/printers/<raw> |
| 18:11.09 | abrotman | stoned: so all working well now? |
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| 18:12.07 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish is not set |
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| 18:12.52 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, so it says # CONFIG_LATENCYTOP is not set ? |
| 18:12.56 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 18:13.15 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, yup, so its in there but not enabled |
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| 18:14.29 | mns | cahoot: any pointers you can point me to for setting up <raw> printers with CUPS ? |
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| 18:14.43 | sackhacker | hello |
| 18:14.49 | sackhacker | happy new year |
| 18:14.50 | cahoot | mns: simply via its web interface |
| 18:15.01 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish where do you enable it? |
| 18:15.31 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, you enable it before you compile the kernel with make menuconfig or the like |
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| 18:16.50 | mns | cahoot: don't get a choice for a "raw" printer. Is LPD/LPR the same ? |
| 18:16.57 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, youo can get some idee whats going on also by installing htop |
| 18:17.10 | setuid | So how does one force purge a package that is in an inconsistent state? |
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| 18:17.12 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, not as good but still maybe sufficient |
| 18:17.18 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't show anything |
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| 18:17.47 | sackhacker | Does anyone of you know problems with knetworkmanager on first start? |
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| 18:18.59 | cahoot | mns: http/ipp |
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| 18:21.10 | mns | ok |
| 18:22.04 | setuid | Fixed it... had to hand-edit the reportbug.prerm file |
| 18:22.50 | sackhacker | Are there any known problems of kwallet together with knetworkmanager? |
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| 18:23.10 | sackhacker | specialy on starup of knetworkmanager when kwallt was loaded before? |
| 18:23.24 | dutchfish | sackhacker, not at my machine |
| 18:23.53 | dutchfish | sackhacker, i am using amd64 lenny btw |
| 18:24.13 | sackhacker | good for you. I am using i686 lenny/etch mix |
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| 18:24.26 | dutchfish | sackhacker, mix? dang |
| 18:24.39 | JyZyXEL | i don't build my own kernels in debian cause i don't know how it will work with the dpkg |
| 18:25.01 | sackhacker | First i had etch. After some upgrades i have a mix of both. |
| 18:25.01 | dutchfish | !tell JyZyXEL about kp-mantra |
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| 18:25.18 | dtcrshr | hi folks, i wanna get a file from bittorrent, and found many clients on synaptic. I wanna a nice client, that allows me to regulate the up/down bandwith of the downloads, any recomendations? |
| 18:25.33 | JyZyXEL | if i make my own kernel i gotta start patching it myslef |
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| 18:25.42 | JyZyXEL | won't get the security updates or whatever |
| 18:25.48 | dutchfish | dtcrshr, transmission? |
| 18:26.10 | smacnay | dtcrshr: rtorrent as well - gui/curses, though |
| 18:26.11 | dtcrshr | anyone, i just need that it can regulate the bandwidth, and a simple gui interface |
| 18:26.21 | smacnay | dtcrshr: transmission |
| 18:26.25 | dtcrshr | thanks! |
| 18:26.29 | dtcrshr | ill check it out |
| 18:27.47 | setuid | Is it easy to jump from etch to sid? |
| 18:28.02 | asg | setuid: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 18:28.50 | bolt | Samba keeps spitting out these, but the share works, although very slowly. I can access files, make files and remove files just fine. What's going on? "[2009/01/05 19:27:32, 0] param/loadparm.c:process_usershare_file(8282) process_usershare_file: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/music failed. Permission denied" |
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| 18:29.37 | setuid | Perfect! |
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| 18:29.57 | dutchfish | :) |
| 18:30.10 | bolt | if you need to ask, though, you shouldn't |
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| 18:30.15 | dutchfish | could be that samba is blocke dby file permissions |
| 18:30.25 | mns | cahoot: thanks. I just had the wrong URL the whole time. I think I've got it, or at least made progress since it wants me to select the driver on the WinXP side now :) |
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| 18:30.35 | bolt | dutchfish: that's what i figured, but the share seems to work as intended |
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| 18:31.07 | d-tech | could not stat /dev/cciss/c0d01 --- no such file or directory |
| 18:31.08 | bolt | dutchfish: there's afaik no permission which allows you to _slowly_ access a file |
| 18:31.13 | dutchfish | bolt, can you post your smb.conf in pastebin? /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:31.16 | d-tech | kubuntu 7.10 |
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| 18:31.42 | dutchfish | bolt, or at least the header and the part for your share |
| 18:31.55 | d-tech | how do I get the partition created? |
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| 18:32.42 | mhymn | d-tech: #kubuntu |
| 18:33.02 | d-tech | :-) beyond them! |
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| 18:33.39 | mhymn | or #ubuntu |
| 18:33.45 | mhymn | that's not a debian one |
| 18:34.01 | d-tech | really? |
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| 18:34.12 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 18:34.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:34.36 | SQlvpapir | !debian policy |
| 18:34.36 | dpkg | somebody said debian policy was a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 18:34.46 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: you can msg the bot |
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| 18:35.02 | SQlvpapir | or I could do it in public |
| 18:35.04 | bolt | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/f59abcf9f |
| 18:35.18 | abrotman | i would suggest you don't |
| 18:35.22 | d-tech | my mistake? ... I thought the cciss driver was a Debian thing. |
| 18:36.08 | dutchfish | bolt, tried it without 15 timestamp logs = yes to no? |
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| 18:36.52 | dutchfish | bolt, depends on how your FS is mounted where your share resides |
| 18:37.17 | bolt | dutchfish: why would timestamp logs affect that? |
| 18:37.47 | dutchfish | bolt, if the underlying FS does not support it, or its support is disbaled you will get same error |
| 18:37.56 | bolt | dutchfish: the mounted filesystem is a samba share mounted through an ssh tunnel though. |
| 18:38.02 | bolt | dutchfish: guess that's kind of unusual |
| 18:38.12 | bolt | dutchfish: and the other shares don't produce this problem |
| 18:38.20 | dutchfish | bolt, mounted through shfs ? |
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| 18:39.34 | bolt | dutchfish: no. it's a cifs mount through a ssh tunnel. a windows machine behind a debian machine at the other end of town :) |
| 18:40.05 | dutchfish | bolt, oh boy, i really dont know if thats gona work |
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| 18:40.19 | bolt | dutchfish: so my server uses autossh to open a tunnel to the other debian machine, then mounts the share on the windows server through the tunnel with cifs and shares it here |
| 18:40.30 | bolt | dutchfish: it works perfectly, it just produces those errors |
| 18:40.37 | dutchfish | bolt, yes i gotcha |
| 18:40.42 | mboman | How can I get hold of the current kernel's .config ? |
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| 18:40.57 | bolt | dutchfish: but yes, the testcase isn't exactly simple |
| 18:41.04 | dutchfish | mboman, /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:41.17 | dutchfish | bolt, i think you could try sshfs |
| 18:41.31 | dutchfish | bolt or better tunnel nfs |
| 18:41.41 | bolt | dutchfish: then i'd need an nfs server on the windows box |
| 18:41.52 | dutchfish | bolt, ah darn |
| 18:41.58 | dutchfish | bolt, vpn/ssl |
| 18:42.13 | bolt | dutchfish: no access to set that up. i can only ssh in :/ |
| 18:42.25 | bolt | dutchfish: this wasn't my first choice, believe me |
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| 18:42.41 | dutchfish | bolt, then sshfs is your only option i am afraid maybe along with unison |
| 18:42.51 | dutchfish | bolt, for better performance |
| 18:42.53 | ma3x | what webcam works with linux? what model or brand do you recommend? |
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| 18:43.10 | dutchfish | bolt, make it as flat as possible with samba |
| 18:43.13 | bolt | dutchfish: so then i need to mount the samba share on the debian machine at the other end and use sshfs to it from here |
| 18:43.20 | dutchfish | bolt, noatime |
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| 18:43.40 | dutchfish | bolt, something like that, yes |
| 18:43.58 | bolt | dutchfish: hm.. actually haven't tried that. wonder if the tools to mount it are installed (i don't have root on it) |
| 18:44.02 | dutchfish | bolt, sshfs can mount transparantly quiet well |
| 18:44.28 | bolt | checks |
| 18:44.38 | dutchfish | bolt, http://packages.debian.org/etch/sshfs |
| 18:45.08 | bolt | dutchfish: not that. the samba client on the remote debian machine needs to be there :) i can install anything i want here |
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| 18:45.48 | dutchfish | bolt, i thought you said i can only login through ssh (to the remote) |
| 18:46.01 | mboman | dutchfish: thanks |
| 18:46.18 | bolt | dutchfish: yes. and if the remote machine is to mount the samba share of the windows machine and pass it on to me with sshfs, it needs a samba client? |
| 18:46.27 | ma3x | what webcam works with linux? what model or brand do you recommend? |
| 18:46.59 | dutchfish | bolt, no, windows -> ssh -> local -> sshfs ->whatever |
| 18:47.26 | dutchfish | bolt, how do you tunnel atm? |
| 18:48.51 | bolt | dutchfish: the windows machine has a share. my server here connects to the remote debian box which is in a lan with the windows machine. my server forwards its local port 4000 to the samba port of the remote windows box. my server then connects to port 4000 on itself and mounts the share through the tunnel |
| 18:49.02 | dutchfish | bolt, i think the best way is to setup ssl/vpn through that you can tunnel smb easely out of the box |
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| 18:49.38 | bolt | dutchfish: and on this end, after mounting the share, the server shares it out to my local network with a local install of samba |
| 18:49.43 | dutchfish | bolt, i wont choose that setup |
| 18:50.15 | dutchfish | bolt, make either a ssl/vpn tunnel or ipsec network |
| 18:50.35 | bolt | dutchfish: i have "root" on the remote windows box, so i could theoretically do something fancy there, but i only have user access on the remote debian box, so i can't do vpn or install additional software or anything like that on the machine i connect to |
| 18:50.41 | dutchfish | bolt, then you can tunnel whatever you like, safely |
| 18:51.09 | bolt | dutchfish: and only the debian box is accessible, through ssh, from the outside. my windows machine is only available through that |
| 18:51.41 | dutchfish | bolt, windows remote -> sshfs (debian box remote) -> ssh or vpn/ssl or ipsec net |
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| 18:52.13 | dutchfish | bolt, windows -> smb -? remote debian is INSECURE |
| 18:53.04 | bolt | dutchfish: only for people sniffing at the lan at the other end. in which case they'd have a very angry bofh breathing down their back in notime |
| 18:53.28 | dutchfish | bolt, it is NOT safe |
| 18:53.33 | dutchfish | bolt, dont |
| 18:53.33 | bolt | dutchfish: why not? |
| 18:53.42 | SQlvpapir | there is safe and safe enough |
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| 18:53.59 | dutchfish | bolt, thats a WAN right? |
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| 18:54.10 | bolt | dutchfish: lan |
| 18:54.24 | dutchfish | bolt, oh ok, thats a diferent story |
| 18:54.25 | Alex00 | hello |
| 18:54.29 | Alex00 | i need some help |
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| 18:54.43 | bolt | dutchfish: it covers the whole building, so it depends on your definition of the word "wide", but it's still being very closely monitored by people who don't seem to sleep |
| 18:54.50 | Alex00 | i installed oidentd from source arhive |
| 18:54.54 | dutchfish | bolt, so go sshfs from locla debian to rebmote debian |
| 18:55.01 | dutchfish | s/locla/local |
| 18:55.09 | Alex00 | and i want to add oidentd to default runlevel |
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| 18:55.23 | bolt | dutchfish: that part is fine, but then the remote debian box needs to get to the samba share without root access |
| 18:55.25 | Alex00 | how can i do that ? |
| 18:55.26 | keith4 | Alex00: update-rc.d ? |
| 18:55.39 | bolt | or, windows share, rather |
| 18:55.39 | Alex00 | keith4 yes i tried with update-rc.d |
| 18:55.55 | dutchfish | bolt, thats only a smbclient then or am i mistaken? |
| 18:55.56 | Alex00 | but i don`t know how to install with update-rc.d |
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| 18:56.03 | Alex00 | i installed oidentd form source |
| 18:56.09 | bolt | dutchfish: if it can be used without root, yes it is. i'll try it |
| 18:56.12 | Alex00 | not from .deb package |
| 18:56.21 | format_c | where can I change the time cron executes scipts in /etc/cron.daily/ ? |
| 18:56.31 | simonrvn | so you read the update-rc.d man page. |
| 18:56.36 | dutchfish | bolt, it can be used as non-root, but i dont now if you can get it configured as non root |
| 18:56.51 | Alex00 | i don`t have scripts in /etc/init.d/ to start oidentd from there |
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| 18:57.07 | simonrvn | so make one |
| 18:57.14 | Alex00 | help me |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | !tell Alex00 about run at startup |
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| 18:58.18 | Alex00 | ok, i wil follow the instructions |
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| 18:59.12 | format_c | forget |
| 18:59.16 | dutchfish | bolt, and one more thing, dont irc as root |
| 18:59.28 | bolt | dutchfish: r00t != root :) |
| 18:59.39 | dutchfish | bolt, ;) |
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| 19:05.59 | stoned | abrotman, great success |
| 19:06.10 | stoned | abrotman, 02:06 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 0d 17h 44m 20s |
| 19:06.21 | abrotman | 6) Profit? :) |
| 19:06.21 | stoned | :D |
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| 19:08.01 | electroweak | hi guys how is it going |
| 19:08.15 | xota | anybody knows how can I setup my analog joystick sensibility? |
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| 19:08.53 | stoned | I have a gravis gamepad ultra pro thingy, it just works |
| 19:08.57 | stoned | what do you have xota ? |
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| 19:10.06 | naztronaut | sensibility or sensitivity? |
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| 19:10.28 | bolt | my joystick is never sensible :P |
| 19:10.30 | patrikf | heh. my joystick is insensible! |
| 19:10.43 | stoned | neoice, the know the litle two handles on a playsation controlelr |
| 19:10.55 | stoned | those are called analog sticks left and right |
| 19:11.01 | manu_hack | not sure it's totally related to debian, many total provides free wireless but one needs to agree on something at the first page the browser goes, it turns out never can use the wireless even i can sucessfully get an ip address and sign the freaking agreement from the hotel, I understand this is not the problem of debian/linux but that's the only reason for keeping M$ windoze, end of rant have a good day |
| 19:11.03 | stoned | they are sensitive to pressure |
| 19:11.14 | stoned | the more you push them the faster something in a game does |
| 19:11.23 | manu_hack | s/total/hotel |
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| 19:11.31 | stoned | he wants to control that I think, on mine it works just by plugging it in |
| 19:11.35 | stoned | I didn' thave to setup any sensitivity |
| 19:12.27 | abrotman | manu_hack: how many browsers have you tried? i've used those before on linux, worked fine |
| 19:12.45 | patrikf | stoned, we know what a joystick is. naztronaut just joked about sensibility <-> sensitivity |
| 19:12.46 | manu_hack | abrotman: I tried iceweasel and galeon |
| 19:13.17 | stoned | are you sure? my older brother is a doctor and he doesn't know what a playsation joystick is |
| 19:13.18 | manu_hack | both can sort of go to the agreement page, but after that it's totally stuck |
| 19:13.26 | stoned | patrikf, don't speak for everyone |
| 19:13.29 | abrotman | manu_hack: i think every time i've used it, i used opera, but i'm sure iceweasel would have worked .. i think it was a Radison |
| 19:13.33 | abrotman | Radisson |
| 19:13.33 | patrikf | stoned, and he's hanging out in #debian? |
| 19:13.42 | stoned | patrikf, thats besides the point |
| 19:13.44 | dutchfish | manu_hack, abrotman had my share of those also, turend out i needed javascript enabled, ... duh .. stupid windows-try-to-be-a-proxy |
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| 19:14.02 | xota | stoned: I have a joystick as a playstation |
| 19:14.10 | stoned | patrikf, im happy for you that you know what a joystick is. you should get a cookie. |
| 19:14.16 | naztronaut | oh |
| 19:14.26 | xota | and it works, but very quickly ;) |
| 19:14.28 | naztronaut | analog sticks? sounds like something you hit a drum with... |
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| 19:14.38 | naztronaut | can i use it to draw stick figures on walls |
| 19:14.44 | stoned | xota, you have an actual playstation joystick? via usb? or you do you have a joystick that is just like the one from playstation |
| 19:14.55 | xota | stoned: the second one |
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| 19:15.12 | xota | it's similar to a playstation joystick |
| 19:15.24 | stoned | xota, and which game are you trying to play? what emulator or whatever? does it support sensitivity? |
| 19:15.35 | manu_hack | abrotman: hope better luck next time :) thx for the advice |
| 19:15.39 | xota | a trust predator: http://reviews.cnet.com/sc/31792674-2-200-0.gif |
| 19:15.47 | xota | stoned: flight gear flight simulator |
| 19:16.09 | stoned | hm |
| 19:16.14 | stoned | let me install it and play it and find out |
| 19:16.18 | stoned | my stick works |
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| 19:17.28 | xota | stoned: go see if the game has configuration to the sensibility. I didn't try it because I think that I must configure it out of game, in gnome desktop |
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| 19:19.26 | dutchfish | xota, https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/how-to-install-a-generic-joystick-driver-on-sblivedebian-221962/ |
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| 19:27.13 | doti | Hello. I installed apache2 with php and mysql. All works nice except that i can retrieve external connection. What I'm doing wrong? |
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| 19:34.01 | abrotman | doti: that doesn't make sense |
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| 19:35.22 | doti | abrotman: yes, my english is terrible. The problem is that i only can view pages in localhost |
| 19:35.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:35.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:35.38 | abrotman | if that's easier for you |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | doti: unless you setup a firewall, that shouldn't be the case |
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| 19:36.30 | doti | abrotman: i don't use firewall and port 80 is open for my local ip |
| 19:36.40 | abrotman | can you telnet to that port? |
| 19:37.00 | naztronaut | oh |
| 19:37.05 | naztronaut | perhaps your isp is blocking traffic to port 80 |
| 19:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be rather strange, wouldn't it? |
| 19:37.22 | naztronaut | no |
| 19:37.27 | naztronaut | cox internet blocks it |
| 19:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | no? I thought it's one of the main things the internet is used for... |
| 19:37.44 | naztronaut | sure |
| 19:37.55 | naztronaut | but a request for a connection to another computer is quite different from a request to a residential pc |
| 19:38.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd call it strange removing one of the main applications from a thing :) |
| 19:38.03 | doti | abrotman: no, i cant |
| 19:38.13 | naztronaut | from the internet |
| 19:38.35 | doti | naztronaut: the traffic to port 80 isn't blocked |
| 19:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, but? |
| 19:38.56 | supersoundguy | doti: is it the machine that you are chatting on? |
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| 19:39.07 | doti | supersoundguy: yes |
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| 19:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what stops you if the port isn't blocked |
| 19:41.18 | abrotman | magic |
| 19:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 19:41.49 | doti | abrotman: xD |
| 19:41.57 | doti | i don't know |
| 19:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | now, that makes perfect sense... |
| 19:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, so if you don't know, how do you know the port is not blocked? |
| 19:43.27 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: my isp actually is not blocking first 1024 ports and i opened that port in my router so...i think the port is open but i'm not sure at all |
| 19:43.31 | naztronaut | Scanning ports on 93.156.144.194 |
| 19:43.31 | naztronaut | 93.156.144.194 is responding on port 80 (http). |
| 19:43.49 | supersoundguy | i can telnet to port 80 and get a request |
| 19:43.57 | supersoundguy | s/request/reply/. |
| 19:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | supersoundguy, yeah... "It works!" ... but one way doesn't mean it does the other way |
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| 19:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, I'd call it strange to block outgoing traffic and allow incoming one... |
| 19:47.20 | doti | supersoundguy: could you see the welcome page of apache2? I can't |
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| 19:48.20 | supersoundguy | doti: i got the "It Works" page |
| 19:49.15 | doti | supersoundguy: mmmm, i can't...that's ridiculous xD |
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| 19:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, what do you enter to see it... and in what program |
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| 19:51.05 | doti | i'm entering 93.156.144.194 in links2 and firefox |
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| 19:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, hmm... just for a laugh try "localhost"? also what's the output of netstat -an |grep ':80 ' and iptables-save |
| 19:52.21 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: localhost works well |
| 19:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... forget about the netstat... I wrote that before you said you didn't enter localhost but the ip |
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| 19:52.49 | dustybin | i <3 this tune http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1BH7poMtPVU |
| 19:53.00 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: LISTEN port 80 |
| 19:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, but accessing hosts on the internet doesn't work either? |
| 19:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, eh? should be more like "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" |
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| 19:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | (still, if localhost works for you and you external IP for us, netstat won't tell us anything useful) |
| 19:54.21 | doti | yes yes, but the important is that is LISTEN |
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| 19:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, heh, no - it's clear that it does LISTEN - what I was wondering was, if it listens on lo (localhost) and eth0 or whatever it's called on your machine (external interface) - but we already know that without netstat... |
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| 19:58.14 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: with that command i get tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
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| 19:59.35 | xota | stoned: I solve it with jscalibrator |
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| 20:01.45 | Stalker`` | anyone have experience with pgp keys? |
| 20:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, yeah... should be ok - what does iptables-save say... mmmm you should use a pastebin... could be difficult for you :) |
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| 20:02.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, well, use #flood |
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| 20:02.45 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it's very difficult. I'm on a terminal |
| 20:03.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, that's not a problem, there's a package called "pastebinit" which would make it very simple - but it would of course connect to a port 80 of some host on the internet..... |
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| 20:03.59 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: unable to open /proc/name/iptables-names |
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| 20:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | /proc/name ?! |
| 20:05.05 | Stalker`` | i need help updating pgp keys if someone can spare a free moment for me via pm i would appreciate it :D |
| 20:05.19 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
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| 20:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, no need for pm... just tell us your problem... what you tried, what errors you got, what you did about them and where you got stuck |
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| 20:07.08 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/f496a46d1 nice package pastebinit xD |
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| 20:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, what does uname -a say? |
| 20:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ?? |
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| 20:09.09 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: Linux tang 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 18:25:23 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:09.10 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: all or only my kernel version? |
| 20:09.38 | Stalker`` | CutMeOwnThroat: W: GPG error: http://download.openvz.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
| 20:09.52 | Stalker`` | ive tried apt-key update |
| 20:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I meant why the ban? |
| 20:10.08 | Stalker`` | ive tried using gpg to import a key |
| 20:10.20 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: onjoin spam |
| 20:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, should be just one line |
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| 20:10.46 | chasing`Sol | aah, that was the annoying spammer |
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| 20:11.19 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP <the time> i686 GNU/Linux Without copy & paste is more difficult xD |
| 20:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hm, oh, wasn't even here when he joined... |
| 20:12.04 | seldon | Stalker``: apt-key add filename, where filename is a file that contains the key from the openvz server. |
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| 20:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch key |
| 20:12.25 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 20:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, ^^ |
| 20:13.09 | Stalker`` | sec |
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| 20:13.44 | Stalker`` | OpenVZ:~# apt-key add RPM-GPG-Key-OpenVZ |
| 20:13.45 | Stalker`` | OK |
| 20:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, if that doesn't help, try a different mirror... like ftp.XX.debian.org (where XX is your country code) |
| 20:13.53 | Stalker`` | now i try apt-get update again, no luck... |
| 20:14.02 | seldon | I kinda doubt that the debian-archive-keyring will include the key for download.openvz.org |
| 20:14.03 | Stalker`` | us ? |
| 20:14.20 | Stalker`` | i got the key from openvz.org |
| 20:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | seldon, wtf IS download.openvz.org, then? |
| 20:15.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, looks like a normal lenny kernel... no idea why iptables-save should not work with that |
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| 20:15.46 | seldon | Damned if I know. I'm guessing it hosts something called openvz. |
| 20:15.49 | seldon | Stalker``: My guess is you want http://download.openvz.org/debian/archive.key |
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| 20:16.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | seldon, he's obviously using it as an etch mirror - as that should only copy the packages, it should f***ing use the same keys |
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| 20:16.12 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, is a normal kernel. I didn't change anything yet |
| 20:16.39 | seldon | It doesn't contain an etch mirror, though, so far as I can tell. |
| 20:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | seldon, I mean that's the POINT of using signed packages... so you can verify that they're the original debian ones and not some somebody made up and put backdoors in |
| 20:17.06 | Stalker`` | should i do something after apt-key add ? |
| 20:17.17 | Stalker`` | rather then just apt-get update ? |
| 20:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, what *is* download.openvz.org, if not a debian mirror? |
| 20:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !openvz |
| 20:17.55 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level virtualization, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. Installation instructions at http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian #openvz @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 20:18.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
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| 20:18.26 | Stalker`` | no life there :( |
| 20:18.28 | Stalker`` | ive asked.... |
| 20:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, guess you should ask #openvz @ irc.freenode.net what their key is... we don't (can't) know... |
| 20:18.53 | Stalker`` | im sure there is a simple fix for this. im going to make a post about it once i find a solution so that others can fix it easier. |
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| 20:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | seldon, yeah, my mistake... I just assumed it was a mirror with a weird name first |
| 20:20.14 | seldon | Meh, happens. |
| 20:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, guess it's this one: http://download.openvz.org/debian/archive.key |
| 20:21.21 | stew | Stalker``: what are you trying to fix? |
| 20:21.39 | Stalker`` | stew, im trying to update the gpp key so i can run apt-get update |
| 20:21.48 | Stalker`` | im having a problem with the download.openvz.org key i guess |
| 20:21.59 | Stalker`` | ive added the keys via apt-key add filename |
| 20:22.07 | Stalker`` | ive also tried apt-key update |
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| 20:22.17 | stew | Stalker``: and what happens when you run 'apt-get update'? |
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| 20:23.17 | Stalker`` | W: GPG error: http://download.openvz.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
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| 20:23.27 | Stalker`` | (idk if i should display the key or not that follows) |
| 20:23.36 | Stalker`` | its a 25 string key/ maybe 30 |
| 20:23.40 | stew | Stalker``: but it doesn't give you a key id? |
| 20:23.45 | Stalker`` | it does |
| 20:23.52 | stew | Stalker``: what is the key id it gives you? |
| 20:24.01 | Stalker`` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.12 | abrotman | !apt-key 6D9DACBE |
| 20:24.13 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6D9DACBE ; gpg --export 6D9DACBE | sudo apt-key add - |
| 20:24.25 | Stalker`` | sudo is not installed |
| 20:24.30 | jelly-home | ffs |
| 20:24.33 | Stalker`` | so just remove that correct? |
| 20:24.39 | stew | Stalker``: so yeah, their archive.key isn't the key they are signing the repository with |
| 20:24.40 | abrotman | Stalker``: do the whole bit as root then |
| 20:24.52 | abrotman | for whatever peril that involves |
| 20:24.52 | Stalker`` | i am root |
| 20:25.15 | Stalker`` | gpgkeys: key 6D9DACBE not found on keyserver |
| 20:25.16 | stew | actually it is the right key, i dont' know what 6D9DACBE is |
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| 20:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, something else... but the procedure is the same :) |
| 20:25.41 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: what? |
| 20:26.10 | jelly-home | Stalker``: have you tried using the key URL CutMeOwnThroat gave you |
| 20:26.16 | Stalker`` | yes |
| 20:26.20 | jelly-home | and? |
| 20:26.21 | Stalker`` | same result. |
| 20:26.24 | Stalker`` | it added ok |
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| 20:26.34 | Stalker`` | no difference in the apt-get update result |
| 20:26.34 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 20:26.34 | stew | the Release file for http://download.openvz.org etch is signed with 0FCA9BAC not with 6D9DACBE |
| 20:26.57 | Stalker`` | so what do i do to fix it? |
| 20:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, how do you tell? |
| 20:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (looking at Release.gpg) |
| 20:27.35 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: gpg --veryify Release |
| 20:27.40 | jelly-home | hm, there's a lot of DEADBEEF keys. |
| 20:27.48 | stew | but you actually have to spell it correctly |
| 20:28.36 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: gpg --verify Release.gpg Release |
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| 20:30.18 | stew | Stalker``: what do you want to install from this repository? |
| 20:30.27 | Stalker`` | i want to run the apt-get update |
| 20:30.34 | Stalker`` | and then apt-get upgrade |
| 20:30.36 | Stalker`` | like i normally |
| 20:30.45 | stew | Stalker``: what software do you use from this repository? |
| 20:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, heh :) yes, I had figured until I read the 2nd version :) |
| 20:31.12 | Stalker`` | like i do normally* |
| 20:31.14 | Stalker`` | stew: openvz |
| 20:31.15 | Stalker`` | :) |
| 20:31.39 | stew | Stalker``: use openvz from backports.org instead? |
| 20:31.47 | stew | Stalker``: what is wrong with running apt-get update now? |
| 20:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, good question in regard of that it's in the original repositories |
| 20:31.56 | stew | Stalker``: you get a warning? |
| 20:32.01 | Stalker`` | yes |
| 20:32.26 | chasing`Sol | guys, off topic question... is debhelper an eggdrop? |
| 20:32.36 | stew | Stalker``: you can ignore the warning, or you can use backports.org instead |
| 20:32.39 | stew | chasing`Sol: yes |
| 20:32.53 | chasing`Sol | ty stew |
| 20:33.01 | Stalker`` | backports.org? |
| 20:33.07 | Stalker`` | never heard of it. |
| 20:33.14 | stew | Stalker``: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn :) |
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| 20:33.25 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: any idea? |
| 20:33.28 | Stalker`` | for openvz? |
| 20:33.37 | stew | Stalker``: what does "md5sum /var/lib/apt/lists/*openvz*Release*" return? |
| 20:33.38 | Stalker`` | ? bpo |
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| 20:33.48 | stew | dpkg: tell Stalker`` about bpo |
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| 20:34.02 | mxmx | if i wanna finda file in my server do i jsut type grep filename.ext? |
| 20:34.26 | Stalker`` | 6db72b3876284f0b07b84a6b5f88c51b /var/lib/apt/lists/download.openvz.org_debian-systs_dists_etch_Release |
| 20:34.29 | kibibyte | hi |
| 20:34.32 | Eulex | mxmx, grep searches within files, or within streams |
| 20:34.36 | mxmx | oh |
| 20:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Stalker``, you can just talk to dpkg with /msg .. he's a bot with a large factoid database (stew just told him to talk to you) |
| 20:34.38 | kibibyte | how to recover lost ntfs partition help |
| 20:34.40 | mxmx | whats the command to find a file? |
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| 20:34.45 | Eulex | mxmx, use find or locate to search for files |
| 20:34.49 | mxmx | okay |
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| 20:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mxmx -about search |
| 20:35.00 | stew | Stalker``: ok, so you are getting a different release file. can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:35.44 | Stalker`` | its having issues with the openvz one in particular |
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| 20:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mxmx, see the message from dpkg... you can "/msg dpkg factoid" for things that are written as <factoid> within what it tells you |
| 20:35.59 | Stalker`` | deb http://download.openvz.org/debian-systs etch openvz |
| 20:36.10 | stew | oh, debian-systs |
| 20:36.28 | stew | Stalker``: http://download.openvz.org/debian-systs/ has the key |
| 20:36.39 | mxmx | nothign on find/locate/searching |
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| 20:36.57 | streuner | Stalker``: your nick sucks ! |
| 20:36.59 | Stalker`` | o_O |
| 20:37.07 | Stalker`` | i know i normally use "Stalker" |
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| 20:37.35 | streuner | that doesnt make it better... |
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| 20:37.50 | Qew | mxmx: Just type "man find" in a console (no quotes) |
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| 20:38.07 | Stalker`` | oh my god i love you stew |
| 20:38.38 | Qew | get a room ;) |
| 20:38.42 | myeggo | hello, i have a mp3 device that dolphin mounts automaticly, but as root and i cant add files |
| 20:38.54 | myeggo | how can i change the privileges? |
| 20:39.02 | myeggo | i dont know where is mounted |
| 20:39.04 | Stalker`` | thank you!!!! :D |
| 20:39.19 | Guerin | myeggo: don't use dolphin, or configure dolphin to not be completely shit |
| 20:39.35 | Guerin | myeggo: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 20:40.09 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: if i use a proxy i can view the welcome page of apache xD |
| 20:40.17 | myeggo | i dont knew that dolphin does not that |
| 20:40.18 | myeggo | thanks |
| 20:41.00 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: and all other pages |
| 20:41.46 | supersoundguy | doti: weird! |
| 20:42.01 | stoned | wasn't it delphin? |
| 20:42.06 | stoned | d3lphin, not dolphin |
| 20:42.30 | stoned | dolphin kinda sucks for me because I refuse to use anything but konqueror |
| 20:42.59 | stoned | so it maybe just a filemanager but its no konqi :) |
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| 20:43.34 | doti | supersoundguy: yes |
| 20:43.35 | stoned | myeggo, its not mounted anywhere I think |
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| 20:44.03 | stoned | thats the kde kio plugins accessing all that stuff without having it mounted I think I'm not too sure ask in #kde also |
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| 20:44.32 | stoned | because if you mount it you have to specify a mount point and when you go, it is basically media:/ in kde so thats a kio plugin and not a mounted resource |
| 20:44.49 | stoned | its cool how kde does it, but its also shitty cuz you dont' have a regualar mount point |
| 20:45.48 | Guerin | of course it's mounted somewhere |
| 20:45.56 | Guerin | it's not just magic |
| 20:46.14 | Guerin | this sort of abstraction is what makes people stupid |
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| 20:46.26 | superlinux | hi |
| 20:46.38 | stoned | what? |
| 20:46.52 | Guerin | they're used to things just happening by magic, and then they get confused and want to hit things with hammers whenever they have to do anything themselves |
| 20:46.52 | superlinux | any one there who knows how to use ipmi? |
| 20:46.52 | stoned | what do you mean it makes people stupid? |
| 20:47.02 | stoned | oh |
| 20:47.11 | stoned | but there is no such thing as magic |
| 20:47.21 | doti | supersoundguy: what could be the reason? Why i can't view the html pages with my ip and i can with localhost or through a proxy |
| 20:47.26 | Guerin | that doesn't stop people believing in it |
| 20:47.33 | stoned | eh |
| 20:47.43 | stoned | I was unable to find where my shits mounted |
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| 20:47.55 | Guerin | did you try `mount'? |
| 20:48.03 | stoned | its not showing up :) |
| 20:48.04 | Guerin | !anyone use ipmi? |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses ipmi, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:48.10 | Guerin | superlinux: ^^ |
| 20:48.20 | stoned | its mounted and I can access things from it via media:/ in kde |
| 20:48.23 | superlinux | Guerin, do u? |
| 20:48.26 | jorgp | heh, I thought that lenny was released already |
| 20:48.26 | stoned | but its not showing up in mount -l |
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| 20:48.32 | Guerin | superlinux: read the factoid again, carefully. |
| 20:48.43 | supersoundguy | doti: the only thing that I can think of is that there's a firewall somewhere blocking it... |
| 20:48.47 | Guerin | jorgp: it's escaped, but hasn't been released. |
| 20:48.47 | stoned | hence my previous conclusion, its just not mounted rousource its a kio plugin bullshit something |
| 20:48.48 | supersoundguy | what proxy were you using? |
| 20:48.51 | superlinux | which factoid? |
| 20:48.54 | stoned | I'm gonna go ask in kde and make sure and be back to let you know |
| 20:48.56 | stoned | brb |
| 20:49.05 | Guerin | 09:48:04 < dpkg> No, no one uses ipmi, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:49.08 | Guerin | superlinux: ^ |
| 20:49.20 | doti | supersoundguy: anonymouse. An only proxy anonimizer and no, there isn't any firewall |
| 20:49.23 | superlinux | ah ok i got u |
| 20:49.23 | jorgp | Guerin: I thought so, I am using unstable and the uname title now says 5.0 |
| 20:49.30 | Mike0x0 | When I try to start X with my "ati" driver, it crashes and says "no screens available" and fatal IO error. The "vesa" driver works but I can't use a high enough resolution. Is there some utility that will help me configure my ATI drivers correctly? |
| 20:49.35 | stoned | Guerin, actually it would have been better to tell him about anyone |
| 20:49.53 | stoned | !tell superlinux -about anyone |
| 20:50.10 | superlinux | the problem is that i want to speed down my chassis fan |
| 20:50.12 | supersoundguy | doti: i meant a firewall/block on your ISP's network (it blocks http reqs internally but not externally) that's a very strange way to do things though |
| 20:50.47 | superlinux | i have an hp proliant ML150 1st Generartion |
| 20:51.14 | Guerin | jorgp: that's because the package with that information in it has to filter down into lenny like anything else. Probably shows the release is near - my sid from a week or so ago still says sid/lenny |
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| 20:51.28 | stoned | Guerin, also, media:/ is only available to kde apps with kio support and nothing else |
| 20:51.31 | doti | supersoundguy: Do really you think that? Sounds very weird |
| 20:51.44 | stoned | Guerin, nothing gets mounted as far as I can tell, waiting on response in #kde |
| 20:51.50 | Guerin | stoned: that's fucking stupid. |
| 20:51.56 | stoned | yeh tell me about it |
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| 20:52.09 | doti | supersoundguy: Do you really * sorry |
| 20:52.20 | jorgp | Guerin: yeah I think it is getting close, says Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 now |
| 20:52.29 | Guerin | jorgp: which file? |
| 20:52.37 | jorgp | Guerin: /etc/issue |
| 20:52.38 | stoned | superlinux, ##hardware |
| 20:52.45 | Guerin | jorgp: funky. |
| 20:52.48 | superlinux | ok boss |
| 20:52.57 | Guerin | jorgp: that's where it should be, but yeah - mine doesn't. |
| 20:53.16 | stoned | superlinux, it can be accomplished via your bios if you can support the fan speed variable |
| 20:53.17 | jorgp | Guerin: true |
| 20:53.36 | superlinux | stoned, i cant |
| 20:53.39 | stoned | superlinux, however if you want to do it through debian there are some fan controlling software available |
| 20:53.40 | jorgp | Guerin: that is why I saw that and I thought that it was released. |
| 20:53.40 | xota | I'm trying the gamepad with mame but I only can fire, but I can't move. any idea? |
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| 20:54.19 | Guerin | jorgp: p[ackages take a minimum of 10 days to filter from sid into lenny, so I'd guess more than 10 but fewer than 30 days until release. |
| 20:54.27 | supersoundguy | doti: i'm sure there's another explanation...but I can't think of anything else right now...I'll keep looking :) |
| 20:54.41 | superlinux | stoned, i do know that, however i must use ipmi |
| 20:55.18 | doti | supersoundguy: yes, mee too. Thanks for your help |
| 20:55.25 | stoned | I dunno an ipmi |
| 20:55.27 | stoned | !ipmi |
| 20:55.27 | dpkg | methinks ipmi is Intelligent Platform Management Interface. An interface to the Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) is available in the 'ipmitool' package. An interface for servers to interact with IPMI-enabled devices is in the 'openipmi' package. |
| 20:55.50 | stoned | so use those tools and read the documentaiton in /usr/share/doc/ipmitool |
| 20:55.52 | stoned | or something |
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| 20:56.58 | stew | Guerin: packages can certainly move from sid to lenny faster than that, and this case might be a good candidate for an upload to testing instead of an upload to unstable |
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| 20:57.24 | stew | oh, is it already in sid? |
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| 20:57.25 | Guerin | stew: righto |
| 20:57.28 | Guerin | stew: yep. |
| 20:57.35 | Guerin | the end is nigh! |
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| 20:57.46 | streuner | heh |
| 20:57.55 | stoned | i know that line |
| 20:58.05 | jorgp | Guerin: sounds about right compared to other releases |
| 20:58.05 | stoned | but from where... |
| 20:58.05 | stew | Guerin: oh and its already in testing |
| 20:58.08 | doti | Thanks for your help. See you |
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| 20:58.35 | Guerin | stew: i don't have a testing box here to check (well, I do, but it's asleep) |
| 20:58.35 | stew | we shouldn't expect the release until 2 weeks after d-i rc2, afaik |
| 20:58.49 | stew | Guerin: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-files.html |
| 20:58.57 | stew | [2008-12-18] base-files 5 MIGRATED to testing (Britney) |
| 21:01.20 | myeggo | the mp3 device is mounted as this: /dev/sdc1 on /media/STONE PLUS type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8) |
| 21:01.22 | myeggo | is it correct? |
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| 21:01.31 | myeggo | my id is 1000 |
| 21:01.43 | Guerin | myeggo: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 21:02.14 | myeggo | but if i add that to etc/fstab what will happen when the mp3 is not plugged? |
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| 21:02.39 | myeggo | i want know if there is a correct way to do it, for dont bother anymore the next month |
| 21:02.49 | Guerin | myeggo: if you have a hook on your wall, and no coat is hanging from it, what happens to the hook? |
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| 21:03.04 | devicenull | do I need swap space if I've got a bunch of memory? |
| 21:03.16 | Guerin | devicenull: depends. |
| 21:03.20 | streuner | sure |
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| 21:03.40 | stew | devicenull: no, but it is recommended to have some in any case |
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| 21:03.59 | avu | devicenull, and you need it if you want to use suspend to disk for example |
| 21:04.26 | devicenull | hmm |
| 21:04.33 | devicenull | k |
| 21:04.34 | avu | devicenull, in any case, disk space is so cheap nowadays that it won't hurt to have swap in most cases |
| 21:04.35 | devicenull | thx |
| 21:04.45 | devicenull | true |
| 21:04.51 | stew | having swap should increase the system's performance |
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| 21:08.39 | H2S04 | stew, _should_ |
| 21:08.41 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 21:09.09 | ryanCH | the xsession scipts are confusing as hell ;p |
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| 21:25.34 | stoned | call failed |
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| 21:25.53 | ryanCH | what was that? |
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| 21:26.40 | stoned | what the hell was that |
| 21:26.42 | mxmx | whre in the server can i read raw email? |
| 21:26.48 | mxmx | debian etch |
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| 21:26.57 | myeggo | Guerin: i followed your way and it works, but the device name (an usb port) can change, and it change indeed |
| 21:27.08 | beardy | stoned: You flooded. |
| 21:27.15 | stoned | i see but I'm not sure how |
| 21:27.16 | myeggo | must i modify the etc/fstab each time? |
| 21:27.29 | stoned | irssi didn't give any script errors |
| 21:27.33 | myeggo | you pasted something, or you executed /exec -o something stoned |
| 21:27.42 | stoned | where did that come from. no i didn't do anything |
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| 21:27.55 | beardy | Then it was magic. |
| 21:28.02 | markand | hi |
| 21:28.05 | stoned | no such thing as magic, its gotta be a script or something |
| 21:28.18 | myeggo | yes |
| 21:28.23 | beardy | You just said you didn't do anything. |
| 21:28.39 | markand | why mpd do not appears in services-admin? |
| 21:28.47 | ryanCH | my compute starts fine in init 3 with text mode, but when i start X11, and then terminate X11, all i get is a blank screen and the monitor loses the signal.. but i can type commands just can't see them since my monitor stops getting vga, what is wrong? |
| 21:28.58 | stoned | ahh i know what it is, its my mp3 alias, i accidentally hit f5, which spams it, and my amarok isn't running on desktop. |
| 21:29.10 | stoned | so obviously, 5 dcop calls to amarok failed |
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| 21:33.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryanCH, try calling SVGAtextmode if you're sure you can still give commands... that might reset things (you'll have to install it 1st) |
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| 21:33.42 | ryanCH | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you think is causing it? |
| 21:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* something not re-set correctly for textmode after ending X, obviously... but as to what exactly... *shrugs again* |
| 21:34.41 | beardy | ryanCH: You, bu thinking runlevels are used. |
| 21:34.44 | beardy | by |
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| 21:37.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, that's wrong, but wouldnt cause no monitor output on a console... |
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| 21:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ryanCH, but beardy is right... runlevel 3 is *not* text mode by default in Debian... |
| 21:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, he might have reconfigured it to be text mode, though |
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| 21:39.02 | ryanCH | really? |
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| 21:40.23 | beardy | ryanCH: Runlevel 2 is the default. The others should be all the same, but all you can count on afaik know is that 2 is the default, and the only one you'll need unless you are doing something you really know why you are doing, and want to do it a non-debian way. |
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| 21:40.43 | ryanCH | i see |
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| 21:41.33 | lxsameer | how can i build i debian base distro? |
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| 21:41.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mxmx, probably somewhere in /var/spool/exim4/ if the messages got stuck and can't be delivered |
| 21:41.40 | linux_stu | is the system beep enabled by default in debian? |
| 21:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, pc speaker is addressed via the pcspkr kernel module |
| 21:42.26 | beardy | linux_stu: The pc speaker (a modurable part of the kernel since 2.6) is included by default yes. |
| 21:42.28 | format_c | mxmx, use exim4 -bp to print all messages that are currently in the queue. |
| 21:42.52 | user_ | lxsameer: you want to create your own distro? |
| 21:42.57 | Guerin | myeggo: you can have several entries in fstab, and just use the correct one each time |
| 21:43.24 | myeggo | i mean before i used /dev/sdc1, but now it changed to /dev/sdd1 |
| 21:43.26 | linux_stu | hmm. i wonder how i can test the pc speaker |
| 21:43.31 | myeggo | and each time that i remount it, gets new name |
| 21:43.36 | myeggo | in same usb port |
| 21:43.36 | lxsameer | user_ : yeah |
| 21:43.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, well, start with lsmod |grep pcspkr |
| 21:44.06 | linux_stu | CutMeOwnThroat, it is there. it has a 0 next to it |
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| 21:44.20 | linux_stu | and another number |
| 21:44.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's enough that it's there |
| 21:44.50 | beardy | linux_stu: install the package beep, and run beep (by default the bell goes off on backspace in your shell too) |
| 21:44.51 | user_ | lxsameer: hmm, why? from a conceptual point you can modify any debian system by providing your own deb package for it. would that also be a way to go for you? |
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| 21:45.50 | beardy | linux_stu: In your virtual terminal shell, that is. |
| 21:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, it can also be muted.... alsamixer -> look for something like PC Speak (on my machine) if it shows MM, it's muted - also, obviously, if the volume is down to 0 |
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| 21:46.03 | SparFux | Is there a software phone which can directly connect to an mISDN or capi device? |
| 21:46.19 | beardy | Not that common for it to be controllable afaik. |
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| 21:46.52 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: It actually works? |
| 21:46.55 | lxsameer | user_ : i need a costume linux system for a special job , and i need a distro that have an installer and i can install that in several hardware |
| 21:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, lemme check... but yeah, I think so |
| 21:47.16 | linux_stu | beardy, running the command 'beep' doesn't make any nouse. |
| 21:47.38 | H2S04 | linux_stu, omg omg! |
| 21:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, ha, no, doesn't :) |
| 21:47.50 | beardy | linux_stu: This is an x86 machine? |
| 21:47.51 | H2S04 | linux_stu, if you don't have speakers the computer speaker may be disabled |
| 21:48.04 | linux_stu | beardy, yes |
| 21:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, I just never checked :) ... and assumed it would, it being there |
| 21:48.17 | user_ | lxsameer: hmm , i already made my point, no need for "lxsameer" = "linux wie sand am meer", linux tens in a dozen.. :-) |
| 21:48.18 | beardy | linux_stu: When it boots, does it beep? |
| 21:48.22 | linux_stu | i had to update to the alsa in experimental for my mic to work with skype |
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| 21:48.35 | linux_stu | and i noticed the number of channels listed in alsamixer decreased when i did |
| 21:48.41 | linux_stu | maybe that caused a problem |
| 21:48.44 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Only on laptops and other very integrated boxes probably. |
| 21:48.56 | linux_stu | beardy, no beep at boot |
| 21:48.59 | xci | hey guys, I am trying to watch a Friends season from a dvd with linux. Tried to use vlc and mplayer, but both seem to fail with the encryption. Do you guys know are there some codecs I should download or something? Usually VLC works flawlessly on windows though. |
| 21:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | beardy, dunno... makes you wonder why it's there if it does nothing... thought that was the microsoft way :) |
| 21:49.15 | beardy | linux_stu: Do you have a pc speaker in the box at all? If so, is it connected? |
| 21:49.26 | lxsameer | user_ : do you have any resource |
| 21:49.29 | linux_stu | beardy, i don't know. i will find out |
| 21:49.47 | beardy | CutMeOwnThroat: Like I said. AC97 crap and only one (pair) of speakers in laptops and so on, probably makes it controllable. |
| 21:50.02 | user_ | lxsameer: never had the need for it, always made more sense to contribute a big distro instead of rolling your own |
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| 21:51.07 | somnambulant | what command tells you your ethernet module? |
| 21:51.09 | beardy | lxsameer: Are you familliar with Debian? |
| 21:51.18 | beardy | somnambulant: lspci if you're lucky |
| 21:51.25 | somnambulant | beardy: k thx |
| 21:51.28 | lxsameer | user_ : i have to do this for a special and certain hardware , i can't use such thing like debian or other good distro i have some limits. |
| 21:52.00 | lxsameer | beardy : of course |
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| 21:52.20 | somnambulant | beardy: that worked.. vt6102 apparently :) |
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| 21:52.43 | beardy | lxsameer: So, you want to base it on Debian, but can't use Debian, how do you intend to.. do that, or why can't you just use Debian, strip it if that's what you need. |
| 21:52.49 | multi_io | why does absolutely every PDF viewer open the sound device? And why does it do it in a way that prevents any otehr program from using the sound card? |
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| 21:53.17 | beardy | multi_io: That's because you don't have a real soundcard. But how silly of pdf viewers indeed. |
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| 21:53.25 | born2late | hi |
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| 21:53.40 | multi_io | beardy: huh? |
| 21:53.45 | multi_io | beardy: I use alsa/dmix |
| 21:53.49 | beardy | !rs |
| 21:53.49 | dpkg | A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy. |
| 21:54.01 | user_ | multi_io: you might switch to a newer linux sound framework, pulseaudio was designed for multiple streams |
| 21:54.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, did you read pdf's by clicking on links in firefox? |
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| 21:54.14 | multi_io | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, mostly |
| 21:54.28 | multi_io | user_: I thought alsa/dmix was :-P |
| 21:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, and then firefox crashed, but the pdf's stayed open? |
| 21:54.37 | multi_io | CutMeOwnThroat: um, no |
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| 21:54.44 | multi_io | ff kept running |
| 21:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, that's actually when I saw that xpdf was starting to block the sound device... never else |
| 21:55.30 | multi_io | I confirmed the behaviour with xpdf, acroread and evince |
| 21:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, hm, if that's ff2, you might try running firefox as aoss firefox |
| 21:55.35 | user_ | multi_io: alsa was too, with the second shot in evolution chances might be better .. ;-) |
| 21:56.01 | Guerin | beardy: BUT I WANT UES MY ONBORAD CARD IS IT GOOD ENUF????? |
| 21:56.20 | lxsameer | beardy : i have a limit hardware and i should use some extra package . i should use some bunch of setting in several hardware so i can build a small distro and the i can install that to all of those hardware, i can use lfs too but debian is completely better |
| 21:56.26 | beardy | Guerin: Good enough for you. *headpat* |
| 21:56.56 | multi_io | user_: so, can you oconfirm that this doesn't occur with pulseaudio anymore? |
| 21:57.48 | user_ | multi_io: sorry, no, no debian in use here (tainted only, ubuntu) |
| 21:58.12 | multi_io | beardy: I parse dpkg's blurb as "try to work around the Linux Sound Mess[tm] by doing it all in hardware" |
| 21:58.58 | beardy | multi_io: I see. |
| 21:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, actually, I think it's somehow linked to use with iceweasel... as weird as it is... I just tried strace -f -F -e open xpdf $SOMEPDF 2>&1 |grep dev and it really doesn't acces anything but /dev/tty |
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| 22:00.15 | multi_io | CutMeOwnThroat: hm, maybe you have a point there |
| 22:00.51 | beardy | backspaces a rant about "onboard" "cards" of most varieties, and why they suck. |
| 22:00.55 | multi_io | it would explain why so many completely unrelated viewers all show the same rather specific issue |
| 22:01.14 | beardy | Blarb for you. It's how I talk. |
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| 22:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, I just looked in /dev/$PID/fd for one xpdf started from commandline, one started from iceweasel - one opened /dev/snd/timer (and a sound device), the other didn't... |
| 22:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, ha, I think with this info it's time to file a bug report... not sure though if fore iceweasel or for the pdf viewers... wanna have a go? |
| 22:03.27 | stoned | /dev/sda1 6.5G 5.4G 721M 89% / |
| 22:03.32 | stoned | I need to clean some stuff! |
| 22:03.50 | multi_io | CutMeOwnThroat: iceweasel 3.0.5 |
| 22:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, like "rm -rf /"? :) |
| 22:04.00 | drraid | morning everyone |
| 22:04.02 | multi_io | ah, you mean... |
| 22:04.13 | multi_io | ok, maybe later :P |
| 22:04.22 | stoned | heh |
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| 22:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, probably using a short wrapper like #!/bin/bash\n/usr/bin/xpdf "$@"&exit instead of xpdf itself would fix it... |
| 22:07.00 | beardy | That's so much nicer than anything using hardware, oh the horror. |
| 22:07.04 | multi_io | and that closes the device files? |
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| 22:08.03 | multi_io | I mean if you're right, FF forks, opens the sound device (for whatever), and then launches the viewer, which inherits the open device files :P |
| 22:08.05 | stoned | APT::Install-Recommends "true"; |
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| 22:08.12 | multi_io | *for whatever reason |
| 22:08.24 | stoned | make it false and voila |
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| 22:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, there should be another bug category "annoying bugs" - now this is probably only a "minor bug", but it can annoy the hell outta you to have your sound device stolen that way... (only happens to me after ff crashes/exits, though) |
| 22:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's no bug filed on it yet... |
| 22:12.15 | stoned | apt-get remove ^*-dev <- regex error!? |
| 22:13.08 | \amethyst | it's a regex, so ^.*-dev |
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| 22:13.24 | __MAV | Hello All! |
| 22:13.28 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 22:13.47 | __MAV | What program can I use to backup my Linux installation (including partitioning) and burn it to DVD so later I can boot from that DVD and restore the system ? |
| 22:13.51 | stoned | After this operation, 246MB disk space will be freed. |
| 22:13.52 | stoned | sweet |
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| 22:14.12 | stoned | \amethyst, thanks |
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| 22:14.38 | simbioz | How do I redirect a backtrace to stderr? |
| 22:15.02 | \amethyst | a backtrace from what? |
| 22:15.06 | simbioz | I mean something like ./foo > log.txt |
| 22:15.14 | multi_io | 2> log.txt |
| 22:15.17 | xand | do you mean from stderr? |
| 22:15.17 | \amethyst | ./foo > log.txt 2>&1 |
| 22:15.23 | stoned | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 22:15.25 | \amethyst | or ./foo > log.txt 2> backtrace.txt |
| 22:15.26 | simbioz | thx |
| 22:15.38 | stoned | its explained in much details |
| 22:16.38 | stoned | dpkg sbr is simple bash redirection http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 22:16.38 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 22:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so how do you deliberately close the sound device? |
| 22:16.58 | stoned | maybe unloading the snd modules? |
| 22:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, yeah... everyone'll easily find it under this name |
| 22:17.10 | cahoot | alsa force-unload? |
| 22:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, ha... that'll be useful to prevent xpdf from blocking it :) |
| 22:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean multi_io was right - probably xpdf just inherits the open sound devices from FF somehow |
| 22:18.49 | stoned | i use mozilla-acroread |
| 22:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I *hate* pdf-plugins |
| 22:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | one more excuse for FF to crash |
| 22:19.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it doesn't do as good a job as the external one |
| 22:20.07 | abrotman | useless factoid |
| 22:20.52 | dondelelcaro | huh; that means that FF is broken if it's not closing its FDs before exec'ing xpdf |
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| 22:21.04 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever is exec'ing xpdf) |
| 22:21.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, FF |
| 22:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well "iceweasel" |
| 22:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it doesn't abbreviate as nicely :) |
| 22:22.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or would you understand me if I said "IW"?) |
| 22:22.17 | stoned | it is not useless |
| 22:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | not as useless as the "kitty belongs to soviet and his" factoid or the "kitty" factoid |
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| 22:23.52 | stoned | <JoeSchmoe> how do I send output to stderr in blah blah? \n <stoned>!tell JoeSchmoe -about sbr <-- I think it is very useful. |
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| 22:24.11 | stoned | its a direct link to the specific chapter about redirection :/ |
| 22:25.22 | oliver_g_ | hello |
| 22:25.41 | stoned | dondelelcaro, how can I alias a factoid? |
| 22:25.45 | multi_io | https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/102408 |
| 22:26.02 | multi_io | looks like other people have noticed this too |
| 22:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I just checked the Debian BTS... it's not in there |
| 22:26.52 | multi_io | I'm not sure what side effects closing the alsa FDs would have anyway |
| 22:27.01 | oliver_g_ | Looks like I just accidentally uploaded a package with dput to the default host (ftp-master.debian.org) instead of the PPA... to whom it may concern: sorry for that... |
| 22:27.01 | simbioz | I have tried with ./mupen64plus > log.txt 2> backtrace.txt and ./mupen64plus > log.txt 2>&1 but none of this commands logs me the backtrace :( |
| 22:27.16 | multi_io | I think in Alsa the device files are somehow hidden under loads of userspace libraries |
| 22:27.47 | multi_io | gave up trying to understand Linux sound after Alsa replaced OSS |
| 22:27.59 | stoned | mupen64 == no sound for me |
| 22:28.05 | stoned | same with zsnes |
| 22:28.18 | stoned | snes9x and nestra are ok |
| 22:28.31 | simbioz | :( |
| 22:29.06 | stoned | I downloaded the binary from zsnes forums, with a patch for some audio threading stuff |
| 22:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, well... two different things - 1) someone claims it's not linked to FF and 2) it's one of those annoying Ubuntu bug-conversations where a lot of clueless people way "I have the same problem but no clue" (although it's a hell lot better than some I've seen) |
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| 22:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, well, at least in my case it's very definitely FF keeping the device open before executing the new command |
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| 22:32.44 | simbioz | stoned: try mupen64plus it's way better than stock mupen64, and sound work's fine for me :) |
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| 22:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | and as for the factoids... I would have erased them, but dpkg ignores non-ops for several days after erasing more than 3 factoids, so I stopped erasing useless factoids :) |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | non-bot-owners i'm guessing |
| 22:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably... I meant "bot-ops" (guess you can register with dpkg) |
| 22:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways it's not nice to be completely ignored by dpkg for several days, so I keep my hands off of useless factoids |
| 22:36.40 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for bringing it to our attention, we're working on removing those |
| 22:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, oh - you meant you get spam in a pm from [baby] on joining a channel he's in? Guess I don't see pm's from non-registered users then... didn't see a thing :) |
| 22:36.53 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: that is what I meant |
| 22:37.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, can I remove them without getting ignored if I do it publicly in here or in #debian-bots (to not spam #debian)? |
| 22:37.43 | stew | RichiH: ^^ [Baby20] if you are interested (still in #redhat) |
| 22:37.54 | RichiH | ta |
| 22:37.57 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: not afaik |
| 22:38.13 | RichiH | klined |
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| 22:39.13 | Ian_Daniher|XO | anyone know what the regex for newline is in nano? |
| 22:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, well, ok, lemme know when/if there's a way to remove them without getting ignored... I'd kill some whenever I meet them, then |
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| 22:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | nano does regexps? |
| 22:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, it's \r in vi... might try that for want of anything better... but... you sure nano does regexps and not just string searches? |
| 22:41.24 | Ian_Daniher|XO | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it has a regex mode |
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| 22:42.08 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I really should switch to vi already... |
| 22:42.55 | spldart | I have a question. I've done a couple few installs of lenny so far and have noticed that during the configuration of my xorg.conf it doesn't ask vid card type, like ati or nv or whateva, and it doesn't ask questions related to say what modules get loaded etc. I ask because I'd like to set up dri with m-a built nvidia module using the non-free stuff in debian and would like to get an auto generated xconfig. |
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| 22:43.51 | nsadmin | spldart: ok... what is your question? |
| 22:44.11 | linkslice | I've got an etch server with mdadm mirrors, and once a month the second drive drops offline during the checkarray (first sunday of every month), if I bring the drive offline and --re-add it comes back and works just fine until the next first sunday of a month and goes offline again. I can't find a specific bug for this anyone have any troubleshooting tips? |
| 22:44.27 | abrotman | spldart: X -config .. the xserver is supposed tomagically figure out which driver now |
| 22:44.55 | spldart | In etch it's easy to get a good configuration by just telling it to use your built module and you tell it your monitor's resolution. |
| 22:45.21 | spldart | I've built and loaded my nvidia module but xorg isn't using it. It's also not setting any higher resolutions on my monitor. |
| 22:45.44 | nsadmin | is that good? |
| 22:45.45 | spldart | I'm not competant enough yet to hand right an entire x config. I can in etch but not lenny |
| 22:46.13 | spldart | s/right/write |
| 22:46.20 | abrotman | spldart: X -config .. the xserver is supposed tomagically figure out which driver now |
| 22:46.31 | stew | -configure? |
| 22:46.53 | abrotman | oh yes .. i'm half asleep! :) |
| 22:47.02 | bolt | is there a way to generally decrease the reads and writes on a particular mount? like, increase the readahead and size of the data stored in memory, as well as make it cache more before writing back to it? ext3 filesystem |
| 22:47.04 | spldart | I used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to try to re-setup my X |
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| 22:47.23 | abrotman | spldart: X -configure .... that's what you need to use apparently if X won't magically see the driver and use it |
| 22:47.33 | spldart | Thanks |
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| 22:49.47 | S-i-A | can you tell me why the SVN can't commit files? http://paste.debian.net/25334/plain/25334 |
| 22:49.57 | S-i-A | the commit do nothing |
| 22:50.38 | SQlvpapir | !evil |
| 22:50.38 | dpkg | somebody said evil was redhat,something that should be smited! anything is evil if guestish decrees it! |
| 22:50.58 | stew | S-i-A: does "svn status" list things that need to be committed? is it possible that this directory hasn't been chnaged? |
| 22:51.18 | nsadmin | S-i-A: maybe the code is from an svn repo you don't have access to |
| 22:51.35 | stew | it would complain if that were the problem |
| 22:51.39 | S-i-A | stew: http://paste.debian.net/25335/plain/25335 |
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| 22:53.04 | stew | S-i-A: where did this directory come from? did you copy it from somewhere else? it looks to me like the directory already has a .svn subdirectory, which is making it appear to already be under version control, but it hasn't been added to its parent |
| 22:53.28 | S-i-A | aha ok |
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| 22:56.54 | stoned | I freed up about half a gig |
| 22:57.23 | S-i-A | stew: the copy said svn: Can't open file '/home/sia/.svn/entries': No such file or directory |
| 22:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | SQlvpapir, http://home.att.net/~slugbutter/evil/ |
| 22:58.28 | Ian00 | what package would i file a bug against for official documentation on the debian website? |
| 22:58.32 | S-i-A | stew: thanks yet worked :) |
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| 22:58.49 | stoned | /dev/sda1 6.5G 4.5G |
| 22:58.51 | nsadmin | I think there's a package called debian.org |
| 22:58.52 | stew | Ian00: www.debian.org |
| 22:58.58 | stoned | dev/sda1 6.5G 4.5G <- still need more space |
| 22:59.08 | abrotman | Ian00: www.debian.org |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | doh |
| 22:59.23 | Ian00 | so, the package is www.debian.org ? |
| 22:59.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:59.39 | Ian00 | ok |
| 22:59.52 | abrotman | Ian00: http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org |
| 23:00.45 | linux_stu | if i have some experimental packages on my system, is there a way to revert to all lenny packages? |
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| 23:01.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, if you know what they all are... |
| 23:02.11 | linux_stu | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
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| 23:02.42 | linux_stu | i tried doing sudo aptitude -t lenny install <package>, but it didn't do anything |
| 23:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, then just run aptitude install <package> -t testing on each of them (or apt-get install -t testing <package> if you like apt-get better) |
| 23:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, strange |
| 23:03.18 | linux_stu | i'm sure it's pebkac |
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| 23:03.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | pebkac? |
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| 23:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package are we talking about, anyways? |
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| 23:03.51 | linux_stu | pebkac = problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 23:03.55 | linux_stu | CutMeOwnThroat, related to alsa |
| 23:04.03 | linux_stu | maybe i got the packages wrong |
| 23:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the exact package name |
| 23:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe not... |
| 23:04.23 | linux_stu | 1 sec |
| 23:04.31 | nsadmin | and why won't it do it |
| 23:04.41 | nsadmin | there could be messages saying why |
| 23:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pinning can be weird sometimes |
| 23:05.01 | linux_stu | it works, it just says "0 updated, 0 removed, etc..." |
| 23:05.03 | linux_stu | nothing is changed |
| 23:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | package name! |
| 23:05.12 | linux_stu | i'm looking |
| 23:05.28 | linux_stu | i have to compare dpkg -l to the lenny package website |
| 23:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's about 1 line above the "0 updated" one! |
| 23:05.56 | linux_stu | alsa-source alsa-modules-2.6.26-1-686 are the ones i tried |
| 23:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, you don't... judd knows all about it |
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| 23:06.17 | stew | linux_stu: you might want apt-show-versions |
| 23:06.17 | nsadmin | judd knows all? |
| 23:06.18 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "knows" is not a valid command. |
| 23:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, you might have made your own alsa-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 23:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, hell, I must have a million apt-something installed by now and there are still more, that I don't have |
| 23:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | (slight exaggeration) |
| 23:07.17 | nsadmin | linux_stu: you could try removing them first |
| 23:07.21 | linux_stu | ok |
| 23:07.27 | linux_stu | i move slowly, i'm working on it |
| 23:07.29 | nsadmin | (at your peril) |
| 23:07.34 | linux_stu | oh lol |
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| 23:07.43 | linux_stu | well i remember when i updated to experimental a bunch of other packages were installed too |
| 23:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alsa-source |
| 23:07.51 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa-source -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg-1 |
| 23:07.54 | stew | linux_stu: "aptitutde install package=version" should install a specific version (if it is available; "apt-cache policy packagename" lists available versions) |
| 23:08.07 | linux_stu | ok |
| 23:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, apt-get install alsa-source=1.0.17.dfsg-4 should do it |
| 23:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn, as always I'm slow :) |
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| 23:10.29 | stoned | 6.5G 4.3G 1.9G 70% / ok I got 200more gb free |
| 23:10.34 | stoned | I mean MB |
| 23:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, apt-show-versions isn't really any more useful, though than apt-cache show package |grep Version :( |
| 23:11.19 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: why is apt-show-versions useful anymore? |
| 23:11.30 | abrotman | throws swraid HOWTOs at stew |
| 23:11.36 | stew | don't |
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| 23:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, that read like an eliza answer :)... what I meant to say is that it's giving you pretty much the same as apt-cache show pkg |grep Version..... if I ask Judd/dpkg I get all repositories, if I do it locally, I only get the ones I got in my own sources.list (which is not so helpful if I'm talking to someone who's on different repros) |
| 23:13.36 | linux_stu | adding the =version installed the lenny version |
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| 23:13.49 | linux_stu | now to clean up all the other packages that were installed when i updated to experimental |
| 23:14.02 | linux_stu | for alsa-source that is |
| 23:14.38 | newsense | aptitude clean ? |
| 23:14.48 | Debasser | is it possible to attach a wireless adapter to a non-wireless router so that it, itself, can receive the internet connection so it can give it to its client computers? |
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| 23:15.15 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-show-versions is sometimes able to tell you which packages came from which suites |
| 23:15.32 | newsense | Debasser, not usually i dont think unless ita a game adapter that has ethernet to wifi |
| 23:15.33 | dondelelcaro | Debasser: yes, but depends on the router and the configuration |
| 23:15.38 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: like "apt-show-versions | grep experimental" can identify at least some ofthe packages which came from experimental |
| 23:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_stu, /var/log/apt/term.log might com in handy... also /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 23:16.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | mabbe |
| 23:17.02 | themill | !list repositories |
| 23:17.02 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 23:17.07 | \amethyst | grummund: it counts from zero |
| 23:17.08 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 23:29.05 | sputnick | hi again |
| 23:29.09 | sputnick | is anybody knows how can I change "fn+VerrNum" key binding (acer special touch) to simulate "shift" pressing to write numbers without having to type "shift" ? |
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| 23:42.59 | moodhugs | Hi I tried to install some things on linux and it kept failing because all the dependancies are not up to date. I'm using Etch. It says they are in Lenny, what's the difference? |
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| 23:43.29 | newsense | whered ya get the packages from ? |
| 23:43.40 | patrikf | moodhugs: etch is the current stable distribution, released 2 years ago |
| 23:43.43 | pepperbob | moodhugs: Etch is the actual stable version, lenny is testing. |
| 23:43.48 | patrikf | ... yeah. |
| 23:43.50 | newsense | through apt or aptitude r some other package manager ? |
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| 23:44.11 | nsadmin | moodhugs: lenny and etch are overall versions of debian |
| 23:44.22 | mmlj4 | moodhugs: i'd think that you can safely upgrade to lenny and be happy... they're voting on a release date as it is, so you should be safe |
| 23:44.33 | linux_stu | if i remove a package with aptitude, will it automatically remove its dependencies that are no longer needed? |
| 23:44.50 | patrikf | linux_stu: if you installed them through aptitude, yes |
| 23:44.55 | mmlj4 | if you let it, yes.... I guess |
| 23:44.58 | newsense | i suspect hes either downloading the .debs from www or hes messed up apt |
| 23:45.02 | linux_stu | ah |
| 23:45.10 | linux_stu | so i guess i should always use aptitude |
| 23:45.18 | moodhugs | if etch is stable is lenny not stable? |
| 23:45.31 | patrikf | I'm not sure what the current situation is, I think some new apt-get version handles the dependency tracking as well |
| 23:45.33 | nsadmin | lenny is becoming stable |
| 23:45.38 | patrikf | @linux_stu |
| 23:45.40 | nsadmin | once it does... |
| 23:45.50 | patrikf | but with aptitude you're safe |
| 23:45.50 | nsadmin | etch will become oldstable |
| 23:45.59 | linux_stu | ok thanks patrikf |
| 23:46.01 | newsense | linux_stu, i use debfoster and it handles removing depends of a manually installed package |
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| 23:46.10 | linux_stu | ok |
| 23:46.23 | moodhugs | can i update to lenny by just changing the repository and updateing what i need? |
| 23:46.43 | amphi | !etch->lenny |
| 23:46.48 | rdz | hi all. can i kill a tcp connection from the server side? |
| 23:46.55 | rdz | without killing the server process, i mean |
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| 23:47.30 | newsense | rdz,, add an iptables rule ? |
| 23:47.50 | rdz | newsense, would that kill an existing connection? |
| 23:47.53 | newsense | sure theres a better way though |
| 23:48.02 | patrikf | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 23:48.02 | dpkg | Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
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| 23:48.20 | patrikf | moodhugs: read what dpkg just said |
| 23:48.22 | LimCore | how to configure my os to save core dump files? |
| 23:48.32 | patrikf | moodhugs: you'll have to update about everything though |
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| 23:48.48 | newsense | rdz yes as long as ya add it by using the iptables program or by adding it to a rules file than using iptables-restore to reread the rules |
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| 23:49.13 | rdz | newsense, ok... probably i should dive one day into that iptables stuff |
| 23:49.14 | pepperbob | rdz: you could use the tcpkill tool |
| 23:49.17 | rdz | newsense, thanks |
| 23:49.25 | moodhugs | it's just i keep getting things like gtk+ not new enough to run new version of firefox, gclib not new enough to use new version of Wine... and the list goes ;p |
| 23:49.28 | rdz | pepperbob, ah ok... thakns |
| 23:49.57 | newsense | rdz, can check to make sure theres no connection by running netstat -natp and itll show the application or server name |
| 23:50.20 | newsense | or man netstat its useful if your not farmiliar with it |
| 23:50.25 | moodhugs | okay i'll try it. ;p |
| 23:50.43 | maligor | moodhugs, why run firefox? |
| 23:51.13 | maligor | except I guess the iceweasel in etch would be some version 2 |
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| 23:53.16 | moodhugs | maybe i won't need to if lenny's iceweasel works better LOL |
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| 23:54.37 | moodhugs | aparently there's a new kernel to be updated. do i have to update that before I switch to lenny? |
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| 23:55.25 | rdz | pepperbob, tcpkill did the job, thanks.... dsniff looks like an interesting suite anyway.. thanks for pointing me to it |
| 23:55.36 | user_corrupt | (noob) I'm trying to do MySQL/PHP development, so I have installed MySQl module for PHP5, and I already had a PHP 5.2.0-8 package already installed...my problem is that when I run PHP test script, then I don't see any mention of a MySQL module...any ideas? |
| 23:55.51 | pepperbob | rdz: happy to help |
| 23:55.57 | abrotman | user_corrupt: did you install php5-mysql ? |
| 23:56.03 | user_corrupt | yes |
| 23:56.05 | abrotman | user_corrupt: and then restart apache? |
| 23:56.12 | user_corrupt | ah, will do, thanks |
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| 23:57.54 | abrotman | user_corrupt: you may also need to double check your php.ini |
| 23:58.05 | superlinux | hi guys |
| 23:58.27 | superlinux | i have some module patches i want them |
| 23:58.28 | user_corrupt | thanks, restarting apache worked..im seeing all kinds of mysql info now |
| 23:58.31 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:58.41 | superlinux | i have some module patches i want them done |
| 23:58.42 | mmlj4 | yeah, php.ini needs editing |
| 23:58.51 | superlinux | how can i patch the kernel? |
| 23:58.54 | mmlj4 | or some file, I forget which |
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| 23:59.01 | abrotman | not always .. depends on the version of debian you're using and a few other things |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | superlinux: #kernel |
| 23:59.14 | superlinux | ok |
| 23:59.21 | nsadmin | superlinux: using patch... look at the patch, look at where you are |
| 23:59.47 | nsadmin | look at what -p means |
