| 00:00.13 | nsadmin | if you look at those three things, |
| 00:00.37 | nsadmin | you'll figure out a fairly big chunk of how patch works |
| 00:00.42 | stoned | abrotman, 07:00 -!- Irssi: Uptime: 0d 22h 38m 49s |
| 00:00.45 | stoned | =D |
| 00:01.06 | themill | sends stoned a few pings of death for old time's sake |
| 00:01.07 | abrotman | sends stoned a DCC |
| 00:01.20 | stoned | what does that do |
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| 00:01.42 | abrotman | which port did you connect to freenode on? |
| 00:01.44 | stoned | you said something about port 8001 |
| 00:01.49 | nsadmin | probably nothing |
| 00:01.52 | stoned | 6667 |
| 00:02.14 | null__ | Question: My USB devices went fubar. Is there a way to reset them/USB other than rebooting? |
| 00:02.14 | abrotman | stoned: i'm not going to do it (might result in a kline), but you'll know when it happens if you're affected |
| 00:02.23 | stoned | ok |
| 00:03.26 | nsadmin | doesn't ping of death happen outside of irc? |
| 00:03.45 | themill | nsadmin: it used to be a lovely way of rebooting win95 and win98 machines on the local network when I was at uni. |
| 00:04.11 | nsadmin | ahh.. so it was a tool |
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| 00:05.00 | memnon | echo? |
| 00:05.24 | nsadmin | echo? |
| 00:05.43 | themill | nsadmin: not really.... remotely exploitable hole more like it |
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| 00:06.08 | nsadmin | but in the uni's case it was applied as a tool |
| 00:06.32 | themill | nsadmin: only by the students, not by the admins... |
| 00:07.00 | null__ | I'm trying to modprobe -r usbcore, but the shell hangs when trying to remove ehci_hcd and ohci_hcd |
| 00:07.10 | themill | nsadmin: there is perhaps a certain antipodean undergraduate humour that you are missing in this anecdote. |
| 00:07.11 | nsadmin | oic, so it wasn't applied as a tool... "let's prepare the room for the next course lab..." |
| 00:07.27 | themill | err not exactly, no. |
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| 00:07.50 | themill | nsadmin: more in the "ha ha! fred's machine just bsod'd again!" |
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| 00:10.01 | JyZyXEL | whats the name of the ntp server? |
| 00:10.15 | nsadmin | george |
| 00:10.24 | themill | JyZyXEL: I'll give you one guess. |
| 00:10.26 | JyZyXEL | in debian repos |
| 00:10.46 | nsadmin | oh, the package name |
| 00:10.58 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 00:11.01 | nsadmin | it's not george? |
| 00:11.06 | nsadmin | maybe ntp-server |
| 00:11.07 | themill | JyZyXEL: I'll give you one guess. |
| 00:11.07 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search ntp returns too much shit |
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| 00:11.26 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: then pipe it to more |
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| 00:13.42 | mmlj4 | JyZyXEL: so pipe to grep ntp |
| 00:14.05 | mmlj4 | even better: grep "^ntp" |
| 00:14.34 | JyZyXEL | whats ^ |
| 00:14.35 | nsadmin | or go to http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:14.55 | nsadmin | ^ is a zero-width assertion |
| 00:14.56 | JyZyXEL | ntp - Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs |
| 00:14.59 | mmlj4 | JyZyXEL: it's an anchor for a regular expression |
| 00:15.00 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if it has a server |
| 00:15.11 | themill | "daemon"... |
| 00:15.14 | nsadmin | I wonder if it is the server |
| 00:15.24 | themill | or take a guess, use tab completion and read the package descriptio |
| 00:15.25 | mmlj4 | JyZyXEL: "daemon" means "server" |
| 00:15.26 | Gm4n | it is, I believe |
| 00:15.42 | nsadmin | I wonder if the docs will tell me! |
| 00:15.48 | drraid | ambiguity in computers is awesome |
| 00:15.51 | themill | no! |
| 00:16.04 | mmlj4 | what's ambiguous? |
| 00:16.07 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: apt-cache --names-only search ntp |
| 00:16.13 | nsadmin | george is ambiguous |
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| 00:16.21 | themill | aptitude search ntp |
| 00:16.31 | drraid | so many things in computer terminology warrant ambiguity |
| 00:16.58 | drraid | on their own, as well as in conjunction with common expressions |
| 00:17.12 | drraid | just the thing with the daemon/server comment made me think of it |
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| 00:17.52 | nsadmin | coming to a youtube near you... server: omen 2 |
| 00:18.01 | user_corrupt | (noob) i just installed the phpmyadmin package...I'm trying to run it with my MySQL installation now, any suggestions? |
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| 00:18.40 | nsadmin | user_corrupt: I suggest you determine what you want to do |
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| 00:19.32 | nsadmin | user_corrupt: or better... I suggest you determine what you want |
| 00:19.56 | user_corrupt | well, I just wanna basically use it with MySQL...I dont know what else you can really do with it |
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| 00:20.08 | user_corrupt | (noob) |
| 00:20.28 | user_corrupt | im gonna create a table |
| 00:20.29 | JyZyXEL | # Local users may interrogate the ntp server more closely. |
| 00:20.29 | JyZyXEL | restrict 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:20.46 | JyZyXEL | restrict... that would mean local users can see shit |
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| 00:21.19 | nsadmin | you're restricting something to 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:21.37 | JyZyXEL | the comment says its an allow rule |
| 00:21.46 | JyZyXEL | named restrict |
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| 00:21.53 | JyZyXEL | who the heck names allow rule restrict |
| 00:22.04 | JyZyXEL | thats like switching DENY and ACCEPT in iptables |
| 00:22.09 | themill | JyZyXEL: "restrict to". |
| 00:22.09 | nsadmin | george! |
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| 00:22.42 | JyZyXEL | tthen it should have "Only" |
| 00:22.53 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about reportbug |
| 00:22.54 | stew | JyZyXEL: submit a patch |
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| 00:23.50 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how the debian bugtracker works |
| 00:23.56 | themill | time to learn |
| 00:24.15 | JyZyXEL | it looks so confusing that i just prefer to leave it on the interwebs |
| 00:24.20 | user_corrupt | oh yay, i just had to point my browser to it |
| 00:24.23 | user_corrupt | duh |
| 00:24.28 | stew | did someone say raf256? |
| 00:24.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:24.54 | stew | for some reason he is in my mind recently |
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| 00:25.19 | JyZyXEL | it probably somehow works with mutt too? |
| 00:25.30 | nsadmin | you probably don't have to know much more than how to write a good, informative bug report, and the package to file the bug against |
| 00:25.50 | stew | JyZyXEL: however you prefer to send email. bugs.debian.org has instructions, and see the reportbug package |
| 00:25.55 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 00:26.10 | themill | and dpkg just told you about reportbug. |
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| 00:26.55 | nsadmin | user_corrupt: btw, if you do database programming you should look at postgresql |
| 00:26.57 | tripzero | does anyone know how to change the architecture in apt.conf ? |
| 00:27.10 | JyZyXEL | well i was thinking more about searching bugs and disgussing about them and stuff like that |
| 00:27.25 | JyZyXEL | and patch sending |
| 00:27.41 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: wander over to bugs.debian.org |
| 00:28.26 | nsadmin | or bugs.debian.org/putpackagenamehere or bugs.debian.org/putbugnumberhere |
| 00:28.28 | JyZyXEL | you have to use the webui? |
| 00:28.30 | themill | we've had this conversation before.... [Tue Nov 18 2008] [21:47:48] <stew> JyZyXEL: use reportbug to report it. attach the patch as an attachment to the email, when you run reportbug it will give you a chance to add the "patch" tag to the bug you are reporting |
| 00:28.57 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: why not? it makes navigation convenient |
| 00:28.57 | themill | several times. |
| 00:29.32 | nsadmin | ahh... just look at it :P |
| 00:30.35 | JyZyXEL | so its not like a mailing list thingy? |
| 00:31.12 | nsadmin | go look... read up... it's complicated... |
| 00:31.13 | themill | JyZyXEL: have you been to www.debian.org/Bugs/ yet? |
| 00:31.30 | nsadmin | do you know the way to san jose? |
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| 00:31.59 | tripzero | anyone know if I can specify specific architectures for specific repo's in apt.conf.d ? |
| 00:32.18 | themill | tripzero: you can't mix architectures, so no. |
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| 00:34.55 | JyZyXEL | i should start using mailing lists |
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| 00:35.44 | JyZyXEL | maybe someone there would know about the DHCP and virtual NIC problem |
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| 00:36.22 | nsadmin | maybe... |
| 00:36.40 | nsadmin | and if so, it could be a filed bug report |
| 00:36.55 | user_corrupt | I installed php5-mysql package, but when I try to enter "mysqladmin" in terminal, then I get a "command not found" |
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| 00:37.37 | themill | dpkg: tell user_corrupt about apt-file |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | mysqladmin isn't packaged in debian i don't think .. try 'mysql' |
| 00:37.53 | themill | user_corrupt: that's because it's in a different package. (mysql-client-5.0) |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | oh it is! |
| 00:38.09 | abrotman | hugs pgsql |
| 00:38.16 | user_corrupt | thanks |
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| 00:38.30 | Supaplex | watches as python hugs abrotman back, a little too tightly |
| 00:38.32 | themill | abrotman: mysqladmin is just the cli admin tool (not the fancy admin gui tool) |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | what's that other program that everyone wants recently for mysql? |
| 00:38.51 | nsadmin | rm? |
| 00:38.53 | user_corrupt | hmmm, command "mysql" is not found either... |
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| 00:39.23 | themill | user_corrupt: aptitude install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/mysql |
| 00:39.36 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 00:39.43 | themill | abrotman: bench or something? |
| 00:39.49 | abrotman | maybe .. |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | if people would just use pgsql .. they wouldn't need these fancy tools :) |
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| 00:40.22 | themill | o-0 |
| 00:40.26 | abrotman | !phillysmite godlygeek |
| 00:40.27 | dpkg | smacks godlygeek with a bucket of Schuylkill River water |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | runs |
| 00:40.32 | nsadmin | it's going to take effort to shake mysql loose |
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| 00:41.12 | godlygeek | abrotman: oh, man, was that weird for me. I grew up in schuylkill county, *way* up river from philly, and i was a bit nervous i might have had a stalker there for a second. heh |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | godlygeek: yay Yuengling! |
| 00:41.29 | godlygeek | 10 minutes from pottsville. |
| 00:41.35 | godlygeek | good ol' orwigsburg. |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | godlygeek: take a right off Rte 61! |
| 00:41.52 | godlygeek | oh, you're good. |
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| 00:42.00 | godlygeek | thinks he has a stalker again |
| 00:42.04 | liable | dont tell him that! |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | godlygeek: you'd be less impressed if you knew i went to PSU Berks and grew up in Danville :) |
| 00:42.22 | Serraphyn | Hey guys, do you think a netinstall will work with a wifi card? |
| 00:42.31 | abrotman | Serraphyn: depends on the wifi card in use |
| 00:42.33 | liable | Serraphyn: which wifi card? |
| 00:42.48 | nsadmin | if your fiwi card is supported |
| 00:43.03 | Serraphyn | Hurrcane, its just recognized it on setup |
| 00:43.04 | liable | dyslexia ftw! |
| 00:43.10 | godlygeek | abrotman: heh, fair 'nuff. interesting surprise for me entering the channel, heh |
| 00:43.16 | themill | liable: wtf you mean! |
| 00:43.17 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:43.21 | stoned | pottsville? |
| 00:43.28 | nsadmin | lysdexia... wtf?! |
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| 00:43.31 | abrotman | stoned: a small town in coal country, PA |
| 00:43.36 | stoned | its a real town!? |
| 00:43.39 | stoned | dude, wicked |
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| 00:43.53 | Guerin | stoned: not as good as Leetsdale, where nvz lives |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | stoned: FWIW .. PA has uh .. Pottstown/Pottsville and Pottsburg i believe |
| 00:44.11 | liable | heh, what happened to leetlug! |
| 00:44.11 | godlygeek | so, uh, today, i wasn't paying much attention to what update manager was doing, and sid seems to have chosen to remove my gnome package - i *think* it was when i upgraded dpkg. should i.. like... report that somewhere? heh |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | godlygeek: can you install the gnome package now? |
| 00:44.37 | Guerin | godlygeek: Sounds ideal to me. |
| 00:44.44 | Serraphyn | ugh I think I'm just gonna drag a cable over for this, its using WEP and I setup for WPA on my router |
| 00:44.47 | godlygeek | stoned: pottsvill has yuengling beer's brewery, and nothing else that anyone has ever heard of. :-p |
| 00:44.53 | godlygeek | s/vill/&e/ |
| 00:45.01 | godlygeek | abrotman: yeah, i can reinstall it just fine... |
| 00:45.08 | abrotman | godlygeek: the Pottsville Maroons? NFL Champions from 1920 or so :) |
| 00:45.22 | godlygeek | abrotman: i was just very puzzled for about 10 minutes at why apt-get wanted to remove some 80 packages for being unused. |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | godlygeek: chances are that aptitude wanted to remove a package that the metapackage gnome, which cascaded and took a bunch of other stuff with it |
| 00:45.42 | godlygeek | yeah, well... i get the impression pottsville was a much less depressing place 80 years ago, heh |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | yeah .. coal mines are exciting |
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| 00:46.31 | abrotman | godlygeek: metapackages sometimes cause aptitude to do wacky stuff .. |
| 00:46.34 | godlygeek | but that is a bug, right? i mean, there's no *good* reason why it should have wanted to remove gnome... |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | probably not really a bug |
| 00:46.51 | eyeris | How can I disable the PureFTPd welcome banner on Debian? |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | firstly .. you're using sid |
| 00:46.55 | godlygeek | just a quirk people will have to live with? |
| 00:47.01 | godlygeek | true enough. :) |
| 00:47.01 | Guerin | godlygeek: it's a feature |
| 00:47.04 | godlygeek | heh |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | godlygeek: if you do a "full-upgrade" .. does anything else want to isntall ? |
| 00:47.13 | user_corrupt | themill: i see a bunch of directories for mysql listed in the terminal now...what might i do next? |
| 00:47.22 | Guerin | eyeris: rtfm |
| 00:47.29 | godlygeek | abrotman: nope, nothing else. |
| 00:47.40 | nsadmin | it's only a feature if it can be disabled :P |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | godlygeek: you'd want to check the aptitude log to see what exactly happened |
| 00:47.45 | eyeris | Guerin: I have. If you see it in there, give me the page, paragraph, letter count. |
| 00:48.07 | Guerin | eyeris: then I'd have to rtfm myself, instead of just using vsftpd like sane people. |
| 00:48.15 | themill | user_corrupt: you were wanting "mysql" which would be /usr/bin/mysql. So the line "mysql-client-5.0: /usr/bin/mysql" tells you that you want to install the mysql-client-5.0 package. |
| 00:48.46 | eyeris | PureFTP's README says to use --without-banner. The wrapper script doesn't support that option and starting it manually with that switch results in a 'unrecognized option' error. |
| 00:49.02 | godlygeek | abrotman: dpkg.log, right? since it was update-manager-gnome that pissed it off? |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | godlygeek: roughly, aptitude wanted to remove something 'gnome' depended on, aptitude sees 'gnome' is being uninstalled and then decides to uninstall all the other things 'gnome' automagically pulled in |
| 00:49.21 | user_corrupt | themill: okey doke, thank you |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:49.29 | themill | user_corrupt: no worries |
| 00:49.44 | Guerin | eyeris: it's probably a compile-time option. |
| 00:50.05 | Guerin | you may be able to change the banner to <null> though |
| 00:50.09 | Guerin | i recommend teh goog |
| 00:50.12 | themill | godlygeek: "aptitude install gnome" is probably the easiest thing to do |
| 00:50.30 | godlygeek | themill: yeah, already did that... just trying to track down what happened along the way. |
| 00:50.40 | themill | ahh. fair call |
| 00:50.44 | eyeris | I've put the path to a n empty file into FortunesFile |
| 00:50.56 | abrotman | i just gave the summary! |
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| 00:52.01 | godlygeek | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m1cc315f4 seems to be the relevant chunk in the log file. i see it removing gnome, just nothing coming before it and explaining why... |
| 00:52.20 | Guerin | eyeris: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=439377 |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | godlygeek: get all of 2009-01-05 |
| 00:52.36 | Guerin | eyeris: that'll be $250+GST, thanks |
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| 00:53.04 | godlygeek | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m38bb2724 |
| 00:53.33 | eyeris | What did you search for? |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | godlygeek: i'm going to guess it had something to do with libspectre |
| 00:53.37 | godlygeek | apart from it following a dpkg upgrade, i don't see anything specific. |
| 00:53.43 | Guerin | eyeris: pureftpd disable banner |
| 00:54.20 | themill | suspects that auto-updates and sid aren't really compatible |
| 00:54.51 | abrotman | godlygeek: doesn't seem to have really removed much though .. |
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| 00:55.16 | godlygeek | no, it only removed gnome, and the next time i ran asked me to remove 80 some odd packages. i said no, and tracked down why. |
| 00:55.30 | craigevil-eee | themill: just gnome,kde plays nice in sid |
| 00:55.36 | godlygeek | it removed a few others... i noticed it because of evince, actually. |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | right .. evince depends on libspectre |
| 00:55.56 | eyeris | The -F switch doesn't work. Stupid Debian patches... uhg |
| 00:56.25 | godlygeek | abrotman: right. and... evince being removed caused the metapackage to be removed? i don't follow that one. |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | godlygeek: 'gnome' depends on 'gnome-desktop-environment' which depends on evince |
| 00:56.54 | abrotman | guesses anyways |
| 00:56.56 | nsadmin | eyeris: please stop whining and figure out what the real deal is |
| 00:57.18 | abrotman | godlygeek: so it goes up the chain |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | wonders why icedove-gnome-support satisfies gnome-www-browser |
| 00:58.06 | nsadmin | you're acting like debian is somethign that was done to you :P |
| 00:58.15 | eyeris | nsadmin Have I not figured it out? Do you have evidence that invoking pureftpd on CentOS and Debian with the same switches working unlike the documentation says it should is anything other than a change made by Debian? |
| 00:58.33 | abrotman | eyeris: are they the same versions of the software? |
| 00:58.43 | abrotman | are you sure centos didn't patch theirs? |
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| 00:59.14 | eyeris | abrotman Same version. I compiled it on CentOS with the defaults myself. |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | did you check the pureftpd readme? |
| 00:59.58 | eyeris | Yep. |
| 01:00.23 | nsadmin | eyeris: if it's a true bug, file it... if you care... if you don't, stop complaining |
| 01:00.52 | eyeris | It says to use the -F switch. I've done that, by putting the path to an empty file in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/FortunesFile. It still prints the default banner. |
| 01:01.06 | Octalot | abrotman: #453067 [w| | ] [icedove-gnome-support] Shouldn't provide gnome-www-browser, might be gnome-mail-reader |
| 01:01.10 | nsadmin | tht's a filable bug |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | Octalot: i didn't care that much :) |
| 01:01.29 | Octalot | (which is only an offshoot from the bug being discussed) |
| 01:01.46 | Octalot | abrotman: well I did :) |
| 01:02.08 | nsadmin | eyeris: it might additionally be helpful to find the patch that removed -F |
| 01:02.20 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: uh.... I sure don't see any patches that removed support for -F in the Debian patchset |
| 01:03.25 | nsadmin | does pureftpd actually claim that -F is not a valid option? |
| 01:03.41 | nsadmin | or does it just not work? |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | eyeris: which vresion of debian ? |
| 01:04.02 | godlygeek | abrotman: ah, i get what happened now. so, just a sid hiccup. i can deal with those. |
| 01:04.06 | nsadmin | and of pureftpd |
| 01:04.34 | eyeris | abrotman etch, 4.0 |
| 01:04.38 | godlygeek | abrotman: sid doesn't bother me - worst case scenario, the machine has nothing too critical on it, and i like fixing what bugs i can track down, heh |
| 01:04.46 | eyeris | nsadmin It simply doesn't work. |
| 01:04.46 | abrotman | godlygeek: now be a good lad and run down to Monk's and get me something yummy for dindin :) |
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| 01:05.10 | nsadmin | eyeris: ok, so the real problem is that |
| 01:05.26 | godlygeek | abrotman: :-p i love coal country.. my grandmother lives in minersville, still gives landmarks as "it's by the lithuanian church", etc... |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | godlygeek: not really a bug though |
| 01:05.36 | eyeris | nsadmin is what? |
| 01:05.40 | abrotman | godlygeek: heh .. nice area to be in |
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| 01:05.54 | godlygeek | yeah... too boring for me, i prefer the big city. |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | yes, but it's still nice |
| 01:06.23 | godlygeek | there are plenty of worse places to be, i'll admit. |
| 01:06.23 | nsadmin | is rather than -F is not supported by the command (which it would have complained about) but that -F is not functioning properly |
| 01:06.37 | nsadmin | could you show the command line? |
| 01:06.50 | gjorge | hello all, I try to boot debian etch as single, but when I get the shell, my USB keybord doesnt work. I typed: linux single to enter in single mode. How Can I proceed? |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | godlygeek: #debian-offtopic if you're bored :) |
| 01:07.19 | godlygeek | nah, not that bored. #vim is my bored channel. thanks for the help, abrotman :-) |
| 01:07.29 | eyeris | nsadmin /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-mysql-virtualchroot -l mysql:/etc/pure-ftpd/db/mysql.conf -l pam -1 -U 022:022 -C 2 -I 5 -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -i -D -c 100 -o -A -k 90 -H -4 -u 100 -b -F /etc/pure-ftpd/welcome.msg -j -R -E -B |
| 01:07.29 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 01:07.47 | user_corrupt | i have installed "mysql-client", but when I try to run "mysql" then I get the following error: 'Can't connect to server at local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld.sock' (2)' Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
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| 01:08.13 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: so there's your problem, you haven't specified FortunesFile |
| 01:08.19 | user_corrupt | when i try and enter "mysql" into terminal that is |
| 01:08.44 | eyeris | dondelelcaro Sure I have. That is what sets the -F flag. |
| 01:08.54 | themill | user_corrupt: is mysqld running? (do you see "mysqld" in the output of "ps axf"?) |
| 01:08.57 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: uh... yes, and you have it set to /etc/pure-ftpd/welcome.msg |
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| 01:09.22 | eyeris | dondelelcaro What should it be set to? |
| 01:09.48 | nsadmin | I think it has to be a fortunes file rather than an motd? |
| 01:10.04 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: is welcome.msg an empty file? |
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| 01:10.12 | eyeris | dondelelcaro yes |
| 01:10.23 | eyeris | From the pureftpd README: " If you just want a simple banner displayed before |
| 01:10.25 | eyeris | the login prompt, add the name of any text file here." |
| 01:10.45 | eyeris | That file has a single carriage return |
| 01:10.59 | user_corrupt | themill: I do not see it, and i also looked in /etc/init.d for mysql start scripts and found nothing mysql related... |
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| 01:11.51 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: that's the fortune file, not the banner. |
| 01:12.10 | themill | user_corrupt: have you installed the mysql-server (or mysql-server-5.0) package? If so, you should just "invoke-rc.d mysql start" |
| 01:12.37 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro: I think he's saying that -F could take a plain text file to use as the banner... |
| 01:12.48 | eyeris | dondelelcaro Do you mean to say that the readme is wrong or that I am misunderstanding it? |
| 01:12.48 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: it doesn't; it's a fortune file for displaying in the banner |
| 01:12.57 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: I don't know what readme you're reading. Read the manpage |
| 01:13.11 | eyeris | dondelelcaro /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd-common/README.gz |
| 01:13.17 | eyeris | Which man page? |
| 01:13.38 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: man pure-ftpd |
| 01:13.40 | user_corrupt | themill: that could be my problem...I installed "php5-mysql", "mysql-common", "mysql-client", but I never realized that I could be missing the server itself...ill go try and take care of that now |
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| 01:14.15 | abrotman | themill: what are the odds ... |
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| 01:15.34 | user_corrupt | (noob) |
| 01:16.47 | themill | user_corrupt: /msg dpkg lamp ; that might give you some more resources that could help you here |
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| 01:17.24 | user_corrupt | thanks |
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| 01:19.15 | dondelelcaro | that said, pureftpd seems dead upstream |
| 01:19.31 | dondelelcaro | (so I'd really think twice about using it) |
| 01:19.55 | eyeris | dondelelcaro I will just build it from source with --without-banner :/ |
| 01:20.06 | nsadmin | dondelelcaro: the readme does appear to be a more verbose version of the man page, and it also does say that -F can take a plain text file to use as a banner |
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| 01:20.28 | nsadmin | eyeris: consider rebuilding it as a debian package |
| 01:20.30 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: yes, but the readme is wrong |
| 01:20.36 | dondelelcaro | (I read the source) |
| 01:20.56 | eyeris | nsadmin I will try |
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| 01:21.15 | nsadmin | try apt-get source pure-ftpd |
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| 01:21.31 | nsadmin | then take a look at the file debian/rules |
| 01:21.40 | nsadmin | you should see the configure step in there somewhere |
| 01:25.56 | eyeris | nsadmin Then run dpkg-buildpackage from the pure-ftpd-1.0.21 src dir? |
| 01:26.08 | eyeris | (after changing the configure flags, that is) |
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| 01:28.21 | TowerNet | what's the process - when a debian package installs web data into say /usr/share/package/webdata... |
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| 01:28.44 | TowerNet | how do yuo go about setting up apache symbolic links for sites-enabled and sites-available ? |
| 01:28.59 | eyeris | TowerNet a2ensite and a2dissite |
| 01:29.00 | TowerNet | manually in the post install, or is there a tool for it? |
| 01:29.05 | TowerNet | ahh |
| 01:29.16 | eyeris | a2enmod and a2dismod are for modules |
| 01:29.34 | TowerNet | so I'd just called them as part of the postinst and prerm ? |
| 01:30.20 | themill | you wouldn't normally automatically enable a new vhost just by installing a package though |
| 01:30.21 | eyeris | I believe you could. I'm not a maintainer though. |
| 01:30.56 | TowerNet | well I should at lease install the sites-available |
| 01:31.03 | TowerNet | let user take care of sites-enabled |
| 01:31.04 | eyeris | themill I think the phpmyadmin package does |
| 01:31.13 | TowerNet | I can't get to irc.debian.org from here which sucks |
| 01:31.25 | eyeris | TowerNet Or use the dialog system to ask them if they would like it enabled |
| 01:31.38 | TowerNet | yes |
| 01:31.55 | themill | TowerNet: a site? or a conf.d snippet? They aren't installed using a2ensite etc, they're conffiles and installed in the usual manner. |
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| 01:32.27 | themill | eyeris: no it doesn't... it drops a config snippet in place (if requested by the user) to allow a new Alias. That's not a new vhost. |
| 01:32.54 | TowerNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.13 | S-i-A | how can i fix that http://paste.debian.net/25342/plain/25342 ? |
| 01:33.52 | TowerNet | try svn add /home/sia/ first |
| 01:34.07 | themill | TowerNet: I doubt that's appropriate for a package to do. That directory is for one-file-per-virtual-host. You probably have a config snippet that should be in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ |
| 01:34.27 | TowerNet | hmmm |
| 01:34.55 | S-i-A | TowerNet: that not worked to |
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| 01:35.51 | sputnick | hi again |
| 01:35.54 | TowerNet | S-i-A: ok just checkout a new copy, (backup existing one), then copy accross files that have changed from the old to the new checkout, commit |
| 01:36.18 | TowerNet | that's the easiest solution without having to ask another 10 questions =D |
| 01:36.23 | S-i-A | TowerNet: that is not worked to i try it |
| 01:36.51 | TowerNet | S-i-A: hang on, you can't even do a checkout? |
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| 01:37.26 | themill | S-i-A: you shouldn't need to specify the full path for svn add. You would normally be already inside a checkout and just "svn add filename" |
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| 01:38.48 | S-i-A | themill: is same |
| 01:38.55 | S-i-A | i do all what you say |
| 01:39.19 | sputnick | I have a Acer aspire 5610 laptop under Lenny. I've coded a sh script to make numLock by a shortcut & a special bey binding. By defaults, there's a LED for that feature. Unfortunatly, the led is off when I run my script. I search a clue to know how put it on. I tried "find /proc \( -name '*lock*' -a -name '*led*' \)" without any success. |
| 01:39.47 | themill | S-i-A: what's the output of "svn status"? |
| 01:40.02 | doublehp_ | which package to monitor mu UPS ? i dont mind about the computer connected to UPS to shutdown or not, i need to set up the computer connected to UPS as "gateway" for other computers of the network (Linux and Windows lcients), to make those shutdown when my "gateway" says the UPS are dying. |
| 01:40.08 | S-i-A | themill: nothing |
| 01:41.02 | abrotman | sputnick: for X or CLI ? |
| 01:41.27 | S-i-A | themill: the commit said "AM rosetta/shot-ckb.png" |
| 01:41.40 | sputnick | abrotman: both |
| 01:41.52 | themill | S-i-A: but you said it didn't work... so what commit is this? |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | sputnick: maybe see how the numlockx program does it |
| 01:42.35 | sputnick | abrotman: I can't strace it :/ to enable it, I need to do "fn+Verr Num" |
| 01:42.56 | S-i-A | themill: this resored the old file not Add the new file |
| 01:42.58 | sputnick | don't know how (s)trace a shortcut |
| 01:43.00 | abrotman | sputnick: look at the code is what i mean |
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| 01:43.18 | sputnick | which code ? :/ |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | numlockx ... |
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| 01:43.36 | S-i-A | it was file with shot-ckb.png i removed and will add new with same name sho-ckb.png |
| 01:43.42 | doublehp_ | how can i list files installed by a package ? |
| 01:43.43 | ZonE | wrong box, lol |
| 01:43.54 | ZonE | mikeMARTIN, how ya been man? |
| 01:44.17 | abrotman | doublehp_: dpkg -L |
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| 01:45.51 | S-i-A | themill: commit said "Adding (bin) rosetta/shot-ckb.png |
| 01:45.52 | S-i-A | Transmitting file data . |
| 01:45.52 | S-i-A | Committed revision 7218." |
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| 01:46.56 | sputnick | abrotman: I don't play with numlockx. that's designed to enable numlock on startup. My script is different. Instead of maping the defaults "blue touchs" from acer, I emulate a "shift" typing. |
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| 01:47.20 | sputnick | I use xmodmap to do that |
| 01:48.24 | doublehp_ | abrotman: it says: "no package (with that name) is installed. aptitude install foobar suceeded a few minutes ago, i did not read what came out, and, now, it just does not say anything. I have no clue why it's not installed, and, asking to install does not deny this fact |
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| 01:49.09 | abrotman | doublehp_: what package? |
| 01:49.10 | doublehp_ | abrotman: exact quote may help: http://rafb.net/p/ZIHznr71.html |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | is upsd installed? |
| 01:50.16 | doublehp_ | abrotman: i think so, and i dont mind for now; i just wanna know what ups-monitor brings in |
| 01:50.27 | doublehp_ | obviously nohing :'( |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | doublehp_: dpkg -l ups* .. see anything ? |
| 01:50.40 | newsense | apt-cache depends ups-monitor |
| 01:50.49 | doublehp_ | i have a new upsd in init.d |
| 01:51.45 | abrotman | or ignore me |
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| 01:51.59 | ERIC_H | anyone in philly/nj area with comcast and having connection issues?? |
| 01:52.02 | doublehp_ | newsense: himself |
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| 01:52.35 | doublehp_ | abrotman: un ups-monitor <none> (no description available) |
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| 01:52.50 | Guerin | ERIC_H: you. Why don't you call comcast techsupp? |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | sounds not installed |
| 01:52.52 | newsense | ups-monitor is a v package |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | ERIC_H: mine is fine |
| 01:53.04 | newsense | look at the package description |
| 01:53.10 | ERIC_H | Guerin, i have been since november... |
| 01:53.18 | Guerin | ERIC_H: get a real ISP then |
| 01:53.26 | Guerin | don't complain about it to #debian |
| 01:53.35 | newsense | upsd depends on libc6 only |
| 01:53.40 | ERIC_H | rofl im just asking you twat |
| 01:53.45 | abrotman | i answered |
| 01:53.51 | doublehp_ | aptitude just boring me ; trying to do *clever* things, more clever than human ... just pretending. Gonna try apt-get : that one is clear and verbose ! |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | ERIC_H: i answered you, and don't call people names |
| 01:54.26 | doublehp_ | abrotman: newsense and apt-get says: "virtual package provided by ..." ! THAT'S CLEAR ! |
| 01:54.31 | doublehp_ | hates aptitude |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | doublehp_: problemsolved! |
| 01:54.40 | doublehp_ | y |
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| 01:55.30 | doublehp_ | now: better daemon to advise me for UPS ? to set up the machine as "UPS sever" for other machines |
| 01:55.33 | bobbyw | what do you guys typically do when you need a newer version of a software package that isn't in the current repository? install from source or build your own package? |
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| 01:55.56 | doublehp_ | bobbyw: switch to better reactive distribution. |
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| 01:56.01 | newsense | bobbyw, pinning or backports, depends on what your running |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | bobbyw: such as what? |
| 01:56.11 | karsten | Any suggestions for good guides to interpreting a kernel panic oops? |
| 01:56.23 | giwe | How do I change the smtp port number in exim4? |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | alphabet soup |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | giwe: why would you bother? |
| 01:56.44 | newsense | give dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 01:56.57 | doublehp_ | karsten: activate magick keys, log dmesg on serial port, and make lot of reading. Note that some tricky people dont log on serial port, but floppy. |
| 01:56.58 | giwe | abrotman: I would like to send email out and the external smtp uses port 80 instead of 25 |
| 01:57.05 | newsense | err giwe sorry |
| 01:57.29 | abrotman | giwe: ask #exim |
| 01:57.36 | newsense | giwe, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and for smtp select smtpserver::80 |
| 01:57.36 | giwe | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:57.43 | doublehp_ | giwe: vim /etc/exim* |
| 01:58.02 | giwe | newsense: lemme try. |
| 01:58.13 | newsense | giwe: syntax is smtpserver::port |
| 01:58.38 | bobbyw | abrotman: ruby 1.8.6 and debian etch comes with 1.8.5 |
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| 01:59.14 | abrotman | !tell bobbyw about bpo |
| 01:59.21 | Serraphyn | anyone know how to get an ISL3890 Wifi card to work in debian? |
| 01:59.28 | S-i-A | themill: http://paste.debian.net/25343/plain/25343 |
| 01:59.29 | newsense | giwe if you need a password you need to edit the passwd.client file in /etc/exim4/ |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | ruby1.8.7 is at backports.org |
| 01:59.31 | bobbyw | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:59.41 | nsadmin | bobbyw: ruby is easy to build yaknow... |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | !isl3890 |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | Serraphyn: we'd need the chipset |
| 01:59.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: no need |
| 02:00.08 | Serraphyn | abrotman, its on my laptop so tell me what you need and I can type it in |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | lspci would be a good start |
| 02:00.26 | bobbyw | nsadmin: yeah I have built it a million times, but it is nice to get patches with an upgrade instead of recompiling every time |
| 02:00.36 | nsadmin | I wish that ruby had more stuff that encouraged recursion |
| 02:00.53 | S-i-A | and the "svn st" said "svn: warning: '.' is not a working copy" |
| 02:00.56 | bobbyw | nsadmin: like what? |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | !tell Serraphyn about isl3890 |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:01.06 | nsadmin | like lists |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | !tell Serraphyn about prism54 |
| 02:01.17 | giwe | newsense: dc_starthost='smtpserver.com::80' |
| 02:01.35 | bobbyw | nsadmin: lemme guess.. you are a lisp guy? |
| 02:01.37 | giwe | newsense: something like this in update-exim4.conf.conf? |
| 02:01.41 | Serraphyn | 02:00:.0 Network controller: Intersil Coporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | !tell Serraphyn about prism54 |
| 02:01.54 | abrotman | Serraphyn: see what the dpkg bot told you in /msg |
| 02:01.56 | newsense | id guess so never actually edited the config by hand always reconfigured the package |
| 02:01.58 | nsadmin | not necessarily, but I am familiar with lisp and scheme |
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| 02:02.31 | Serraphyn | k thank |
| 02:02.33 | Serraphyn | s |
| 02:02.37 | newsense | giwe, yes |
| 02:02.44 | bobbyw | nsadmin: yeah, ruby is for the object junky |
| 02:03.01 | karsten | doublehp_: I'm logging the panics via netconsole module to a syslog server. |
| 02:03.06 | aussie_hatter | where is the file that crontab -e modifies found ? |
| 02:03.16 | karsten | doublehp_: The problem is actually _interpreting_ the dump. |
| 02:03.29 | nsadmin | well it could have encouraged recursion more... but that's not at the core language level, it's more in the periphery |
| 02:03.29 | karsten | doublehp_: It's disk-related, trying to sort out exactly where the problem is. |
| 02:03.45 | giwe | newsense: I guess I need password too. It doesn't look to be an open server. |
| 02:03.59 | newsense | giwe heres a howto for exim4 and gmail but it can be used as a general exim4 w/smarthost guide http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | aussie_hatter: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 02:04.02 | bobbyw | nsadmin: what about using collections? |
| 02:04.11 | aussie_hatter | abrotman, thx |
| 02:04.15 | devicenull | is anyone running the nvidia-glx packages on amd64? |
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| 02:04.35 | giwe | newsense: I think it needs to be some command line version. It is for bugzilla to send emails. |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | devicenull: ask your real question, polls suck |
| 02:04.37 | devicenull | I'm getting a message saying nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 is broken on etch |
| 02:04.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:04.45 | nsadmin | see I tried ruby for awhile, and I do like the language itself... which does support recursion |
| 02:04.47 | devicenull | I was busy typing that :p |
| 02:05.10 | newsense | giwe, as long as exim works it should work with any app that is setup to use the systems outgoing mta |
| 02:05.21 | giwe | newsense: okay. |
| 02:05.27 | bobbyw | nsadmin: right, ruby is great for closures |
| 02:05.57 | newsense | giwe, i use exim for logcheck and other security apps to send logfile alerts offsite |
| 02:05.58 | nsadmin | bobbyw: you could say that rather than a lisp guy I'm an sicp fan |
| 02:06.17 | devicenull | hmm |
| 02:06.19 | giwe | newsense: thanks that website teaches how to setup passwords. |
| 02:06.28 | devicenull | I'd guess the nvidia-glx package is nvidia's binary blob driver |
| 02:06.33 | newsense | :) i wouldnt give ya a useless link |
| 02:06.35 | devicenull | which isn't compatible with x64 |
| 02:06.40 | bobbyw | nsadmin: yeah, a buddy at work is working through sicp, sounds interesting to me |
| 02:06.50 | eyeris | nsadmin I was able to build that package. Thank you. |
| 02:06.57 | devicenull | but that's incorrect when I do some searching |
| 02:07.00 | eyeris | dondelelcaro abrotman Thank you guys as well. |
| 02:07.12 | doublehp_ | karsten: try #hardware |
| 02:07.25 | nsadmin | eyeris: excellent,,, so you got a small peek into debian's packaging mechanism |
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| 02:08.20 | eyeris | nsadmin Yeah. I've had to build packages from source in the past, too, but always as monkey-see-monkey-do style. I've never actually tried to understand those files :) |
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| 02:08.28 | karsten | doublehp_: Checking ##linux first, but thanks. |
| 02:08.55 | nsadmin | glad you had the opportunity to do so |
| 02:09.01 | prxtien | can anyone point me in the direction of some information on arp cache poisoning detecting and mitigation? |
| 02:09.28 | doublehp_ | any one can explain me the difference between upsd snmpd and nut ? aptitude search is not really explanative for me |
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| 02:09.56 | nsadmin | snmp is simple network monitoring protocol |
| 02:10.25 | nsadmin | upsd is probably to monitor a ups... it sends you a message when it sees a boxy brown truck... |
| 02:10.37 | doublehp_ | nsadmin: upsd seems to handle the relay output of the UPS, while I have a "serial" output |
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| 02:11.11 | nsadmin | hmm, I thought that was a solved problem |
| 02:11.36 | nsadmin | never got a ups, but was considering an apc |
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| 02:12.12 | nsadmin | no idea what nut is |
| 02:12.15 | minerale | is it possible to limit oss volume control? -- ie to prohibit changing of volume |
| 02:12.29 | doublehp_ | nsadmin: then, even aptitude search have been more helpfull than you. |
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| 02:12.45 | nsadmin | doublehp_: perhaps |
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| 02:13.06 | abrotman | minerale: now sure how you'd do that without killing the ability to play sound |
| 02:13.08 | doublehp_ | minerale: in udev, change the owner group of the mixer, and make sure no user is memeber of this group. |
| 02:13.08 | enouf | nut is an audio thing |
| 02:13.12 | nsadmin | that should be your first stop anyway |
| 02:13.19 | enouf | see #mplayer |
| 02:13.30 | doublehp_ | minerale: if you are affraid of udev, you can make an init script chmod/chown after EACH startup |
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| 02:14.10 | doublehp_ | enouf: Network UPS Tools |
| 02:14.44 | enouf | doublehp_: http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=NUT |
| 02:14.47 | grulli_ | i'm searching a php-pdo and php-pdo-mysql packet for etch. where can i find a repository that has them? |
| 02:14.57 | nsadmin | doublehp_: just imagine... if you always prioritized information services which are unmanned, you'd never have to interact with me |
| 02:15.21 | enouf | doublehp_: you win .. due to context though :-p |
| 02:15.41 | Serraphyn | how do I install a firmware file? |
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| 02:16.09 | newsense | Serraphyn, extract it to /lib/firmware i believe |
| 02:16.12 | nsadmin | install? you put it in a place where the firmware file loader can see it |
| 02:16.20 | enouf | apt-get install .. or place it in/extract it to /lib/firmware/ |
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| 02:16.40 | Serraphyn | its a .arm file? |
| 02:16.58 | newsense | !.arm |
| 02:17.16 | doublehp_ | !arm |
| 02:17.16 | dpkg | arm is, like, Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 02:17.47 | newsense | still dont know what a .arm is |
| 02:18.32 | Serraphyn | me either |
| 02:18.36 | nsadmin | maybe it contains code executable by an arm |
| 02:18.40 | doublehp_ | newsense: it's a common extension for firmware files, often met around Wifi stuff and driver wrapping (but also SCSI cards amongst other things) |
| 02:18.47 | newsense | google has a few explanations |
| 02:19.32 | newsense | doublehp_, thanks for the heads up never came across one yet ! |
| 02:19.54 | Serraphyn | so i just move the file into lib/firmware/ dir and then ? do I need to reboot? |
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| 02:19.56 | nsadmin | speaking of things that are different enough to ask about... who has an rme multiface 2? |
| 02:20.24 | devicenull | is there a way to get aptitude to ignore the dependenices for a package? |
| 02:20.41 | nsadmin | for what purpose |
| 02:20.55 | devicenull | nvidia-glx does not install on amd64 |
| 02:21.01 | devicenull | because the kernel module package is broken |
| 02:21.08 | devicenull | I built the kernel module manually with m-a |
| 02:21.20 | devicenull | but its not seeing it as fufilling the requirement |
| 02:21.24 | nsadmin | and did you install the resulting package? |
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| 02:21.58 | nsadmin | what requirement is it complaining about? |
| 02:21.58 | devicenull | oh, I did but that package didnt install |
| 02:22.05 | devicenull | sec let me see if I can do this |
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| 02:23.07 | devicenull | .. |
| 02:23.22 | devicenull | the m-a built package doesnt install since nvidia-kernel-common is not installed |
| 02:23.27 | devicenull | sec let me just get the output of this |
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| 02:24.24 | devicenull | http://dev3.ampaste.net/m2f1d7fda |
| 02:25.27 | devicenull | my understanding is the package I'm building should fufill nvidia-kernel-common, not require it |
| 02:25.51 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: nah, it should require it |
| 02:26.01 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: you probably don't have contrib in your sources.list |
| 02:26.06 | devicenull | dondelelcaro, ahh |
| 02:26.40 | devicenull | yea I had non-free, but not contrib |
| 02:27.14 | nsadmin | tme to apt-get update :) |
| 02:27.54 | nsadmin | I figured that might be the case, given the multiface is different enough |
| 02:27.59 | nsadmin | oops |
| 02:28.23 | devicenull | yep that fixed it thanks |
| 02:28.48 | enouf | i wish people would learn just some basics - one of the 1st things i learned was the diffs between releases, and the 3 repo sections |
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| 02:29.22 | Serraphyn | whats the package to use with dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure network |
| 02:29.23 | Serraphyn | ? |
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| 02:29.55 | enouf | but sigh .. as you've heard me say before; many users just suck ass |
| 02:30.02 | nsadmin | Serraphyn: one way: you can edit the text file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:30.22 | Serraphyn | nsadmin, I been trying that but I'm doing something wrong I guess |
| 02:30.45 | enouf | Serraphyn: you can restart it via /etc/init.d/networking {stop|start|restart|force-reload} or similar |
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| 02:31.31 | enouf | Serraphyn: the configure-debian pkg will show what's available as dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname> |
| 02:33.04 | newsense | enouf, nice never knew of the package |
| 02:33.26 | enouf | newsense: indeed ;-) (wave to gravity for it) |
| 02:33.39 | newsense | im a fan of dpkg-reconfigure :) |
| 02:33.52 | newsense | debian perk if i must say |
| 02:33.56 | enouf | er .. not sure about who authored / who's maintainer, etc |
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| 02:34.26 | enouf | newsense: .postinst scripting magic ;-) |
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| 02:36.00 | enouf | Serraphyn: is that prism54 wireless? and are you on etch? |
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| 02:37.46 | Serraphyn | I'm at 4.05r4 debian |
| 02:39.45 | enouf | Serraphyn: /msg dpkg releases - that's etch btw |
| 02:40.10 | enouf | and it's 4.0r5 |
| 02:40.21 | stoned | man, freakin circuit breaker flipped on its own, |
| 02:40.23 | enouf | or 4.0r4 |
| 02:40.36 | Serraphyn | I have r5 sorry |
| 02:40.41 | stoned | enouf, you have a powerful enouf machine to run any fps games? |
| 02:40.41 | enouf | that's ok |
| 02:40.54 | enouf | stoned: on win98, sure :-P |
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| 02:41.33 | stoned | cool |
| 02:42.01 | stoned | you know debian takes a lot space |
| 02:42.07 | Serraphyn | enouf, why did you ask about etch and prism45? |
| 02:42.09 | Serraphyn | er 54 |
| 02:42.13 | stoned | well, I mean all the software you install in debian |
| 02:42.25 | enouf | Serraphyn: trying to get info, so i could perhaps help a little |
| 02:42.37 | stoned | like a fully fledged desktop system in debian with EVERY possible thing one could need including some games and such |
| 02:42.44 | stoned | easy 20gb |
| 02:43.09 | stoned | its less if you clean the cache |
| 02:43.18 | Serraphyn | wow thanks, now I can't get the network to work on it though, might have to restart installation... the wifi card doesn't even powerup like it did in the first install boot |
| 02:43.57 | Serraphyn | thats why I was hoping to find out what the reconfigure package is to re-setup networking stuff |
| 02:44.50 | stoned | I mean 20gb with like ALL 3d games of all sorts, man, like all the multimedia player, kde, gnome, chocie of all the window managers anything you want its already there |
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| 02:49.46 | nsadmin | judd, versions hdspmixer |
| 02:49.46 | judd | nsadmin: hdspmixer -- |
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| 02:51.32 | nsadmin | judd, versions alsa-tools-gui |
| 02:51.33 | judd | nsadmin: alsa-tools-gui -- etch: 1.0.13-1 lenny: 1.0.16-2 sid: 1.0.16-2 experimental: 1.0.18-1 |
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| 02:52.44 | stoned | nsadmin, /msg judd |
| 02:53.17 | enouf | Serraphyn: there isn't any AFAIK, but there are some gui utils you might want to try - though i prefer cli - and note; that's why i asked if it's wifi, i'm not too good with that stuff - but i can tell you maybe somethings that might help |
| 02:54.05 | Serraphyn | I'm currently re-installing so I can get a network connection again at least |
| 02:54.16 | enouf | ... |
| 02:54.39 | enouf | Serraphyn: have you read through the Installation Guide? |
| 02:54.43 | pickcoder | which kernel is on R5? 2.6.18? |
| 02:54.55 | enouf | pickcoder: they all are ;-P |
| 02:55.06 | pickcoder | I've had no problems with .25 |
| 02:55.08 | pickcoder | from BPO |
| 02:55.15 | enouf | pickcoder: but .24 is in etchnhalf, and .26 is from bpo |
| 02:55.34 | pickcoder | etchnhalf would probably suit wireless users better |
| 02:55.43 | enouf | pickcoder: you mean with prism54? |
| 02:55.47 | pickcoder | with any card |
| 02:55.48 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:55.53 | enouf | heh |
| 02:55.59 | pickcoder | except maybe the old wavelans |
| 02:56.16 | pickcoder | I have a few silver and golds sitting around |
| 02:56.27 | enouf | tell that to the poor earthian kid/person who still can't get ath5k/ath9k working correctly |
| 02:57.03 | pickcoder | even with ndis? |
| 02:57.17 | enouf | well - they did say they tried that prior |
| 02:57.42 | pickcoder | and I'm sure out of the 10 different windows drivers they picked the one that "looked" right |
| 02:57.55 | enouf | pickcoder: there are bugs listed at bugzilla about it .. and his model isn't yet fully supported even in mainline .28 |
| 02:58.13 | Serraphyn | enouf, its shwoing the wifi card on the intial install from netinstall on CD, but its wanting WEP, do i have to change my router? |
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| 02:58.21 | pickcoder | I learned that long ago.. you gotta download each one and examine the .inf |
| 02:58.29 | enouf | well - next time you see them, offer them some ndiswrapper help ;-P |
| 02:58.35 | enouf | sure |
| 02:58.52 | pickcoder | that's what #ndiswrapper is for |
| 02:59.00 | enouf | Serraphyn: change it to ? allow for WEP? |
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| 02:59.08 | enouf | pickcoder: no kidding :-) |
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| 02:59.26 | newsense | i would never personally settle for a wrapper |
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| 02:59.39 | pickcoder | I wouldn't either.. unless you didn't have any other connectivity |
| 02:59.40 | pickcoder | :) |
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| 02:59.43 | enouf | !wep |
| 02:59.44 | dpkg | hmm... wep is Wired Equivalent Privacy, the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. As secure as rot13. Ask me about <wpa>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_Equivalent_Privacy |
| 03:00.02 | pickcoder | worthless encryption protocol |
| 03:00.14 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 03:00.18 | JyZyXEL | as secure as rot13 |
| 03:00.20 | newsense | i consult linuxwireless.org before i buy a wifi card and have a list of cards at hand with chipset info |
| 03:00.27 | enouf | worthless egomaniacal pacifist? |
| 03:00.29 | pickcoder | I created a scambled encryption based off the rot13 idea |
| 03:00.37 | enouf | er witless ;-) |
| 03:00.38 | newsense | wpasupplicant is a must too |
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| 03:00.48 | nsadmin | if it's as secure as rot13, maybe you need to apply it twice to make it better |
| 03:00.59 | JyZyXEL | lolol |
| 03:01.00 | pickcoder | nsadmin: hah! |
| 03:01.06 | newsense | !lol |
| 03:01.06 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:01.11 | Serraphyn | Think I should download the entire CD instead of netinstall? |
| 03:01.21 | pickcoder | kinda like a one-way, single digit combination lock |
| 03:01.25 | JyZyXEL | lol i didn't even know about that |
| 03:01.27 | nsadmin | if you want to :) |
| 03:01.47 | pickcoder | Serraphyn: do you have broadband? |
| 03:02.08 | Serraphyn | pickcoder, yes |
| 03:02.14 | nsadmin | has broadband betty! |
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| 03:02.26 | pickcoder | the odds of everything being on CD1 are unlikely |
| 03:02.28 | enouf | newsense: http://wireless.kernel.org/welcome and wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (for intel stuffs for ex) are good to have as well ;-) |
| 03:02.33 | pickcoder | you'll still end up downloading stuff |
| 03:03.00 | newsense | enouf, good to know, a new bookmark |
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| 03:03.15 | Serraphyn | I just want to get this to work |
| 03:03.22 | nsadmin | right, debian has it as alsa-tools-gui |
| 03:03.54 | enouf | neosmatrix: and watch kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 for ex |
| 03:04.04 | enouf | er .. i meant newsense |
| 03:04.10 | pickcoder | Serraphyn: which chipset is it/ |
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| 03:04.33 | Serraphyn | the wifi card? |
| 03:04.39 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:04.43 | Serraphyn | 02:00:.0 Network controller: Intersil Coporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) |
| 03:04.44 | nsadmin | how can I tell the version of the alsa modules? |
| 03:04.52 | enouf | nsadmin: modinfo |
| 03:05.06 | newsense | enouf, cool looks like some interesting reading thanks :) |
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| 03:05.15 | enouf | np newsense ;-) |
| 03:06.19 | pickcoder | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg35049.html |
| 03:06.25 | pickcoder | why would ubuntu be running that server.... |
| 03:06.32 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 03:07.08 | jamon | i deliberately mess with my server tokens on some machines pickcoder, so you cant really be sure |
| 03:07.12 | Serraphyn | pickcoder, 02:00:.0 Network controller: Intersil Coporation ISL3890 [Prism GT/Prism Duette]/ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow] (rev 01) |
| 03:07.39 | pickcoder | Serraphyn: I've seen bugs posted regarding firmware loading failures under udev |
| 03:07.44 | pickcoder | can't seem to get to them though |
| 03:08.16 | pickcoder | jamon: I don't think anyone admin'ing a debian server would think it's funny to advertise ubuntu running it |
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| 03:08.25 | pickcoder | it's not an official site though |
| 03:08.31 | pickcoder | just an ironic thing |
| 03:09.22 | newsense | anyone know of a good kde email notification applet ? |
| 03:09.33 | pickcoder | that card has been supported since like 2.4 |
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| 03:09.45 | pickcoder | Serraphyn: did you see if iwconfig -a showed it? |
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| 03:09.54 | newsense | apparently the inhabitants of #kde are mentally challenged |
| 03:10.09 | Serraphyn | just doing the base system install right now |
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| 03:11.18 | enouf | newsense: kbiff - KDE mail notification utility |
| 03:11.19 | enouf | kcheckgmail - A Gmail notifier-like notifier for KDE |
| 03:11.34 | enouf | newsense: ~$ apt-cache search kde | grep notif |
| 03:11.42 | user_corrupt | im trying to make sure that I have domxml, and my PHP5 configuration shows none....I've done a search with my package manager, and all I can find is domxml for PHP4....should I just install this package and use it with my PHP5? |
| 03:11.45 | user_corrupt | (noob) |
| 03:12.05 | stoned | hm |
| 03:12.27 | enouf | if you use kmail, i'd think it'd have it's own ;-) |
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| 03:12.43 | stoned | user_corrupt, ask in php if there is a better method than domxml for php5 |
| 03:12.48 | supersoundguy | does the ICH10R chipset work with dmraid? I can't find an HCL anywhere... |
| 03:13.29 | Serraphyn | pickcoder, once I get restarted and into the OS I'll try that, should I install desktop now? I wanted to just install XFCE4 for this laptop since its lower on ram(256M) |
| 03:13.39 | user_corrupt | okey doke, its just that Im a total noob who is relying on a step by step tutorial i found for getting google maps to work with mysql |
| 03:13.40 | enouf | supersoundguy: check out the source/release notes/changelogs |
| 03:14.13 | enouf | Serraphyn: depends which exact ISO you have |
| 03:14.22 | pickcoder | Serraphyn: I'd just do a cli install personally |
| 03:14.28 | pickcoder | the GUI config tools just break stuff |
| 03:14.30 | enouf | Serraphyn: desktop in tasksel will likely install gnome |
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| 03:14.43 | enouf | unless you have the specific xfce4 ISO |
| 03:14.58 | stoned | not if the gui config tool is good |
| 03:15.08 | stoned | webmin kicks ass! its the best. |
| 03:15.19 | stoned | *GRIN* |
| 03:15.56 | jamon | stoned: funny thing is, compared to other gui alternatives, it really is :p |
| 03:15.59 | enouf | wow, it install OO.o as well :-p |
| 03:16.04 | user_corrupt | stoned: should it be possible for me to get dom_xml for php5 in latest debian anyway? |
| 03:16.20 | stoned | I dunno man |
| 03:16.29 | user_corrupt | okey doke, thanks |
| 03:16.31 | stoned | sorry |
| 03:16.40 | stoned | I wish I could help but I'm a noob myself |
| 03:16.41 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:16.47 | user_corrupt | thaty ok, youre stoned, i understand |
| 03:16.53 | user_corrupt | :) |
| 03:16.56 | stoned | eh, that too ;) |
| 03:16.58 | enouf | !update-xmlcatalog bug |
| 03:16.58 | dpkg | There has been a known bug with the xml catalogs in upgrading from etch to lenny. The bug has been fixed, since the docbook-xml package version 4.5-6 propagated to lenny (version 4.5-5 was buggy.) For more information, see http://bugs.debian.org/482140. |
| 03:17.11 | pickcoder | stoned: new years?? |
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| 03:17.30 | Serraphyn | debian-40r6-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso <-- thats all I gotta download to install xfce4 right? |
| 03:17.35 | newsense | enouf, thanks for the recommends was coming up with nothing searching through apt cache |
| 03:17.39 | stoned | yeh, same bag. will be done tonight. celibacy from pottery start from tomorrow |
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| 03:17.53 | stoned | Serraphyn, sure |
| 03:18.00 | stoned | Serraphyn, I like kde |
| 03:18.06 | stoned | Serraphyn, you have tried kde before? |
| 03:18.23 | Serraphyn | stoned, kde uses to much ram |
| 03:18.38 | phlux | Serraphyn, I hate that argument. If you have the RAM, might as well use it. |
| 03:18.54 | stoned | no it doesn't |
| 03:18.56 | phlux | Don't blame KDE because it runs slowly on your 512MB RAM system. Get more RAM, or don't use KDE. |
| 03:19.06 | jamon | Serraphyn: and no it doesn't, i can have a full system up and running on 128mb with a static kernel |
| 03:19.13 | phlux | If you have the power to do something, why wouldn't you utilize it? |
| 03:19.19 | stoned | phlux, nah |
| 03:19.29 | stoned | 512 is plenty... PAAALEEEENNNNNNTTY! |
| 03:19.33 | phlux | I don't use KDE, personally, but I don't find anything wrong with it |
| 03:19.49 | Serraphyn | i only have 256MB not 512 |
| 03:20.15 | stoned | should be good with kdecore and whatever else you need |
| 03:20.57 | stoned | your chocie, xfce4 is nice, but its gtk2 ... EWW |
| 03:21.17 | phlux | xfce4 isn't bad |
| 03:21.25 | phlux | Serraphyn, why don't you throw more RAM in that machine? |
| 03:21.29 | supersoundguy | Serraphyn: there's always the *boxes |
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| 03:21.34 | phlux | not terribly expensive these days |
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| 03:21.49 | Serraphyn | phlux, mostly cause I don't ahve the money, I'm pretty low on food in the house even |
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| 03:21.58 | stoned | yeh, its like $1/100MB |
| 03:22.02 | phlux | don't know what happened there... |
| 03:22.08 | stoned | 9.99 for 1gb stick |
| 03:22.11 | phlux | I bought 2GB for < $20 |
| 03:22.18 | phlux | (eBay) |
| 03:22.30 | stoned | Serraphyn, are you a student? |
| 03:22.34 | jamon | probably trojaned ram :p |
| 03:22.41 | phlux | lol |
| 03:22.48 | jamon | if such a thing existed, it'd be on ebay |
| 03:23.31 | enouf | kde is bloated beyond belief |
| 03:23.39 | stoned | you're bloated beyond belief! |
| 03:23.40 | Serraphyn | stoned, no I'm on disability right now cause I had a bad accident |
| 03:23.40 | phlux | oi.... |
| 03:23.53 | phlux | enouf, some people like the excessive features, others don't. |
| 03:23.55 | enouf | and i have 512M ram |
| 03:24.08 | stoned | Serraphyn, my twin brother in wheelchair since we were 19 years old |
| 03:24.09 | phlux | get over it. Your opinion isn't the only opinion. I don't use KDE either, but to each his own. |
| 03:24.13 | pickcoder | I have no problems with KDE because I don't run anything with less than 1GB on it |
| 03:24.16 | stoned | Serraphyn, he stays with my parents |
| 03:24.17 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:24.20 | pickcoder | RAM is cheap |
| 03:24.22 | stoned | Serraphyn, sad sad stuff |
| 03:24.22 | phlux | There's no sense in starting a flame war in #Debian about which DE is better. |
| 03:24.28 | enouf | phlux: it's dog slow, goofy, retarted, braindead, and uses way too many resources |
| 03:24.32 | pickcoder | waiting 5 minutes from something to load is costly |
| 03:24.38 | phlux | enouf, none of those on my machines |
| 03:24.38 | stoned | Serraphyn, you will come through it man, hang in there |
| 03:24.44 | enouf | phlux: i'm not biased - all DEs are bloated |
| 03:24.44 | phlux | sounds like you need more powerful machines. |
| 03:25.01 | phlux | You're a borderline troll. |
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| 03:25.05 | stoned | enouf, dude you should just like.. you know like.. not even talk man, you know |
| 03:25.08 | enouf | nope, the devs need some 486 machines |
| 03:25.20 | stoned | enouf == 200mhz pentium 2 with like 64mb ram |
| 03:25.30 | stoned | you CANT say kde is bloatware |
| 03:25.33 | stoned | thats just dumb. |
| 03:25.34 | enouf | and you're a borderline sheeple |
| 03:25.36 | Serraphyn | I will be fine, I have surgery coming soon, just need to get this damn laptop to run |
| 03:25.41 | phlux | sorry to hear about that Serraphyn |
| 03:25.43 | pickcoder | enouf: who in the current universe needs a 486 for dev? |
| 03:25.53 | enouf | stoned: i said 512RAM dumbas |
| 03:25.54 | phlux | pickcoder: trolls. |
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| 03:26.03 | stoned | did you just call enouf a troll? |
| 03:26.07 | stoned | are you on crack? |
| 03:26.08 | enouf | pickcoder: kernel devs use them |
| 03:26.23 | pickcoder | and.. I do not know of anyone still running a 486 |
| 03:26.27 | enouf | stoned: danke |
| 03:26.40 | stoned | enouf has done more for #debian than you'll ever know, so stfu |
| 03:26.45 | pickcoder | I have some 256K SIMMs I'll sell 'em |
| 03:26.49 | enouf | stoned: it's cool - chill |
| 03:26.54 | amphi | gives enouf a Freedom Bridge at the Amphi Institute |
| 03:26.57 | bush | kde is fine, it can be stripped down like anything else |
| 03:26.59 | phlux | stoned, right. I don't care what anyone's "done" for #Debian. |
| 03:27.00 | stoned | amphi, pin |
| 03:27.08 | amphi | pon |
| 03:27.12 | enouf | hahaha .. /me proudly dons the pledge pin! |
| 03:27.13 | phlux | Do you think you can cut in front of me at Disney world because you worked for #Debian? |
| 03:27.23 | phlux | Nope. |
| 03:27.37 | stoned | phlux, you should. he has a reputation here, and it is FAR from being troll. I've never even seen him troll in years not once, and I'm here hours on end EVERY DAY |
| 03:27.53 | enouf | do you care about non-bloated software? sounds like you don't |
| 03:27.55 | pickcoder | stoned: you really should go outside occasionally |
| 03:27.55 | phlux | Doesn't speak volumes about you. |
| 03:27.57 | stoned | phlux, you're being uncool. stop it. |
| 03:27.58 | stoned | stop. |
| 03:28.04 | phlux | pickcoder, agreed. |
| 03:28.10 | stoned | pickcoder, :) |
| 03:28.18 | stoned | pickcoder, i'll come over your house |
| 03:28.25 | bush | you're all being very un-dude, dude |
| 03:28.26 | phlux | awesome grammar |
| 03:28.38 | phlux | bush: dude |
| 03:28.45 | pickcoder | ok... topic. |
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| 03:28.47 | stoned | ENOUGH! |
| 03:28.50 | stoned | stop. |
| 03:28.56 | enouf | !enouf |
| 03:28.57 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 03:28.57 | pickcoder | or the topic police will go on rampage |
| 03:29.13 | stoned | Routine check. |
| 03:29.21 | stoned | don't make me bust a cap in here! |
| 03:29.46 | jamon | all my routines and subroutines look to be in order.. |
| 03:30.16 | pickcoder | jamon: you not into OOP yet? |
| 03:30.32 | bush | OOP is just a fad! |
| 03:30.36 | pickcoder | linear programming is so 70's which is why I still write in Pick |
| 03:30.37 | stoned | pickcoder, subroutines? damn thats old |
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| 03:31.02 | maek | so I have a samba server at home and my wife copied some of her school work to the server for backup. everything copied fine except for 1 dir . http://pastie.org/353481 that is the out put of ls and file. Ive been using *nix for a while and ive never seen that before, any ideas? is this bad files, bad md raid? |
| 03:31.04 | stoned | pick.. used by 0.00000000000001% of the IT industry |
| 03:31.05 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:31.25 | jamon | everyone's gotta find their niche :) |
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| 03:32.15 | pickcoder | maek: that's from a samba mount? |
| 03:32.27 | pickcoder | or a share |
| 03:32.28 | stoned | pickcoder, its a filename |
| 03:32.36 | maek | pickcoder: im on the server now but the file was copied from a windows box to the server via a samba share |
| 03:32.46 | stoned | its a stale node |
| 03:32.54 | stoned | it happens on nfs sometimes too |
| 03:32.57 | maek | that file 7101 does not show up on the samba client |
| 03:33.06 | stoned | no big deal |
| 03:33.11 | stoned | delete and copy it over |
| 03:33.17 | stoned | you can't do anything else |
| 03:33.20 | maek | except it didnt copy the file |
| 03:33.24 | maek | ok |
| 03:33.24 | maek | thanks |
| 03:33.46 | abrotman | filesystem check! |
| 03:34.01 | pickcoder | hides his off-topic notes |
| 03:34.04 | pickcoder | bbias |
| 03:34.07 | stoned | lol |
| 03:34.20 | maek | is there a way to make samba copies like rsync'ish so it verifies ? or is that dreaming to high because its windows? |
| 03:34.32 | maek | abrotman: I should run an fsck ? |
| 03:34.48 | stoned | yeh go ahead |
| 03:35.00 | stoned | just be on the safe side, it is a stale inode |
| 03:35.06 | maek | ok, thanks guys. I appreciate the help. |
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| 03:37.24 | Serraphin | well that was fun, last thing I saw was bush: OOP is just a fad! |
| 03:37.44 | maek | so maybe this is an xfs thing? |
| 03:38.04 | maek | ive never used xfs, always ext3 but I have a 1tb raid so I tried xfs on it. |
| 03:38.43 | stoned | I have no experience with xfs, I've read about it but thats all |
| 03:39.13 | tabris|away | maek: there is various rsync clients for windows. look for cwrsync |
| 03:39.27 | maek | tabris|away: thanks |
| 03:39.30 | supersoundguy | i used it for a while...it seemed to be a little more touchy than ext3 about power outages and stuff |
| 03:39.39 | supersoundguy | xfs that is |
| 03:39.49 | maek | supersoundguy: ah, that makes sense we lost power a few days ago |
| 03:39.56 | maek | several times |
| 03:39.57 | CoolCold | u should disable write cache |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | that problem with xfs was supposedly fixed about five years ago IIRC |
| 03:40.24 | CoolCold | xfs don't like to be fooled about cached writes |
| 03:40.36 | CoolCold | or try to ask on #xfs |
| 03:40.39 | maek | ok thanks |
| 03:41.00 | maek | no big deal I made a new server and am in the process of moving off this xfs raid to an ext3 mirror |
| 03:41.07 | maek | 8 fans was to many for a home office |
| 03:41.10 | pickcoder | speaking of RAID and fs problems I had an interesting mail server to-do last week |
| 03:41.11 | CoolCold | one of things #xfs members advised me is to update xfsprogs |
| 03:41.12 | supersoundguy | abrotman: that was the last time I used xfs, heh :) |
| 03:41.17 | CoolCold | etch has pretty old ones |
| 03:41.29 | pickcoder | for some reason even the onboard SATA controller was giving me I/O timeouts on a brand new drive |
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| 03:43.40 | pickcoder | base install wouldn't work but I could partition the drive |
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| 03:45.02 | stoned | I have 4 250gb PATA hdd's sitting around, and I onlyhave 1 pata controller with dvd/cd |
| 03:45.27 | Serraphin | This is so wierd, my laptop wont work with DHCP |
| 03:45.28 | stoned | whats a good fairly cheapy domestical pci raid thingy |
| 03:45.34 | stoned | for linux/debian |
| 03:45.38 | stoned | any suggestions? |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | sata? scsi? ide? pci or pci-x? |
| 03:45.51 | abrotman | erm .. pcie |
| 03:45.55 | stoned | hm |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | hwraid or fakeraid ? |
| 03:46.12 | stoned | I have a GA 965p s3 board with onboard sata raid bs |
| 03:46.14 | stoned | hw |
| 03:46.40 | stoned | i think ihave a pcie 1x slot avail, x16 is gone, and only 3 pci slots |
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| 03:47.02 | stoned | so pci regular |
| 03:47.02 | devicenull | how would I get alsa to detect by sound card, when alsaconf doesn't recognize it? |
| 03:47.17 | stoned | which one is it? |
| 03:47.33 | devicenull | its some integrated on into my mb.. I know its a realtek one thats about all I know |
| 03:47.40 | devicenull | lspci just shows a generic nvidia HD audio |
| 03:47.47 | pickcoder | areca |
| 03:47.56 | abrotman | you didn't answer the other questions |
| 03:48.01 | stoned | who me? |
| 03:48.05 | stoned | pickcoder, for me? |
| 03:48.12 | pickcoder | unless you just want a dumb controller for softraid |
| 03:48.19 | pickcoder | stoned: yeah |
| 03:48.21 | stoned | well I dunno nothin bout raid man |
| 03:48.25 | abrotman | does he want sata ? |
| 03:48.30 | abrotman | does he want hwraid? |
| 03:48.30 | stoned | I have 4x250gb PATA drives |
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| 03:48.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: he didn't answer all the questions .. kind of premature to recommend |
| 03:48.43 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 03:49.07 | stoned | ok, 1, i duno nothing bout raid other than what it is, never made one on linux |
| 03:49.38 | abrotman | you should still know what kind of drives you have, whether or not you want hwraid or swraid, and the slots available |
| 03:49.41 | stoned | 2) i have 4x250gb pata drives. i have 965p s3 GA board, pci slots available, I want to hook up my 4 drives and make a raid 10 |
| 03:49.49 | stoned | I just told you 3 times |
| 03:49.53 | stoned | pata drives |
| 03:49.56 | abrotman | swraid or hwraid? |
| 03:50.01 | stoned | i dunno what that is |
| 03:50.02 | stoned | :( |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | software or hardware raid |
| 03:50.15 | stoned | regarding what? |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | who controls the array |
| 03:50.27 | stoned | nothing |
| 03:50.29 | stoned | they are not hooked up |
| 03:50.36 | stoned | i got no way to hook em up |
| 03:50.43 | stoned | I would like to hook them up |
| 03:50.58 | stoned | so i need what exactly? a raid card or a pci to ide + raid |
| 03:51.00 | stoned | or what? |
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| 03:51.17 | abrotman | hwraid is easier to setup, but swraid is more flexible (and if hwraid controller goes, you have to get another controller) |
| 03:51.19 | pickcoder | do you want mdraid to manage the drives in linux or do you want the controller's BIOS to do it |
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| 03:51.46 | stoned | abrotman, ohh, in your opinion what should I go with, just want to put rate music on it |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | put rate ? |
| 03:51.59 | abrotman | rare? |
| 03:52.02 | stoned | hehe yes |
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| 03:52.26 | abrotman | i personally prefer hwraid, but i don't know any hwraid controllers for PATA |
| 03:52.39 | stoned | :( |
| 03:52.55 | stoned | I guess software is fine too |
| 03:52.59 | abrotman | it's going to have to be |
| 03:53.05 | stoned | I don't really care, I just want to raid/utilize the disks |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | so just pick any PATA controller add-on card |
| 03:53.17 | stoned | its 1000gb, about 500gb usable space |
| 03:53.19 | stoned | mirrored |
| 03:53.35 | stoned | abrotman, anything to worry about with linux drivers and what not? |
| 03:54.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: 3ware and highpoint make one |
| 03:54.09 | abrotman | pickcoder: do they still make them .. that's the point |
| 03:54.12 | pickcoder | I think promise may |
| 03:54.18 | stoned | ok great |
| 03:54.21 | stoned | some brand names finally |
| 03:54.25 | stoned | now I can go search ;) |
| 03:54.34 | abrotman | he could just use any foobar 2port PATA controller and swraid |
| 03:54.38 | pickcoder | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816102036 |
| 03:54.42 | stoned | really? |
| 03:54.43 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:54.51 | stoned | so no need to worrya bout drivers and what not? |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | not really .. PATA is pretty basic |
| 03:55.05 | stoned | word man, /me orders one tonight |
| 03:55.17 | stoned | abrotman, well my pata conroller on motherboard needed jmb363 |
| 03:55.19 | abrotman | ack .. fastrak!?!? |
| 03:55.19 | Serraphin | i am booting DSL just to see if the problem with dhcp is on my pc or router. |
| 03:55.39 | anu | what's difference between Debian and Ubuntu ? |
| 03:55.43 | abrotman | pickcoder: don't those fasttrak still only do swraid |
| 03:55.46 | abrotman | anu: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:55.47 | pickcoder | you can always go with a 7506 from 3ware |
| 03:55.50 | stoned | anu, ask google, much better anwers there |
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| 03:55.55 | pickcoder | it's only $200 |
| 03:55.58 | stoned | looking now |
| 03:56.01 | stoned | thats fairly cheap |
| 03:56.09 | Serraphin | personally I think ubuntu is like Debian for Dummies |
| 03:56.12 | pickcoder | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116019 |
| 03:56.13 | stoned | I don' want to spend over like 250~ish |
| 03:56.19 | stoned | including tax |
| 03:56.19 | pickcoder | that's a full-blown raid controller |
| 03:56.22 | stoned | cool |
| 03:56.34 | pickcoder | you'll want a battery unit too if you enable write caching |
| 03:56.42 | pickcoder | otherwise power goes out and you lose |
| 03:56.46 | abrotman | just seems like such a waste to do raid on PATA :) |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: he should really have an UPS, and monitoring software .. |
| 03:57.07 | stoned | I got the disks laying around why not, about time I learned raid on linux |
| 03:57.08 | pickcoder | a cheap 4-port card with swraid will work too as abrotman said |
| 03:57.12 | pickcoder | or 2 2-ports |
| 03:57.20 | stoned | im a hobbyist! |
| 03:57.23 | abrotman | i meant 2x2 .. it is PATA |
| 03:57.28 | stoned | tell me the toys and I'll get em |
| 03:57.31 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:57.36 | abrotman | hwraid on linux isn't really anything difficult |
| 03:58.10 | stoned | anyway i got research to do |
| 03:58.13 | stoned | thanks for the adivce |
| 03:58.19 | stoned | both ya'll |
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| 03:59.03 | anu | :) |
| 03:59.30 | phorce1 | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1454 |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | oh yeah .. startech raid baby! |
| 04:00.28 | pickcoder | those things are sil-sata controllers |
| 04:00.32 | pickcoder | they don't do real raid |
| 04:00.36 | abrotman | i was joking .. i know |
| 04:00.41 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:00.43 | phorce1 | heh |
| 04:00.50 | phorce1 | they say ata 133 raid |
| 04:00.59 | phorce1 | so it MUST be true |
| 04:01.01 | pickcoder | sure.. under windoze |
| 04:01.02 | abrotman | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1183048&CatId=1454 .. only 56 "devices" .. what a shame |
| 04:01.20 | pickcoder | I got my Magellan from them on a deal |
| 04:01.21 | pickcoder | $99 |
| 04:01.33 | pickcoder | wish I had saved for a Navigon now |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | 56 SCSI320 15kRPM 146GB drives ... |
| 04:02.16 | pickcoder | my MFT array would smoke 'em |
| 04:02.17 | phorce1 | Aww, c'mon abrotman, you don't think the $25 card is just as good? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1431869&CatId=1454 |
| 04:02.53 | abrotman | it supports DOS! |
| 04:02.54 | pickcoder | Cables Unlimited |
| 04:03.14 | pickcoder | there's more open space on that board than in my back yard |
| 04:03.50 | abrotman | phorce1: sadly .. the comments show some lack of understanding about RAID |
| 04:03.50 | pickcoder | does it have a turbo switch too? |
| 04:03.56 | phorce1 | There really should be a 3ware card out there that does PATA. Them peeples can raid ANYTHING. Multiplexed plastic bucket storage if you need it |
| 04:04.22 | pickcoder | the 7506 series is PATA |
| 04:04.27 | pickcoder | and ~ $240 |
| 04:04.33 | pickcoder | for 4-port |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | adaptec makes decent scsi/sata raid stuff also |
| 04:04.44 | pickcoder | chokes |
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| 04:05.01 | pickcoder | they never made good cards.. DPT made the best |
| 04:05.06 | pickcoder | now Adaptec owns them |
| 04:05.34 | pickcoder | 2 of the 3 adaptec cards I bought started failing after 6 monts |
| 04:06.09 | pickcoder | heh I think I still have a SCSI2 DTP controller |
| 04:06.09 | abrotman | really? i've got some that are way way older than that .. work perfectly fine |
| 04:06.13 | phorce1 | OH MY {$DEITY}! they created a raid and write speed actually DECREASED. Can you believe that? <heh> |
| 04:06.23 | supersoundguy | what's the process after you get a RAID controller...download the driver and recompile the kernel? does 3ware provide kernel modules? |
| 04:06.27 | pickcoder | DPT... |
| 04:06.33 | zinx | phorce1: NO WAI! |
| 04:06.50 | pickcoder | supersoundguy: depends on how new it is |
| 04:06.54 | zinx | phorce1: write speed halved and read speed doubled, how is that possible?!?!??! |
| 04:07.00 | abrotman | supersoundguy: depends on the manuf .. many of them just work |
| 04:07.01 | pickcoder | the kernel drivers usually make it into the kernels |
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| 04:07.22 | pickcoder | if it's a recent model you'll have to load the driver yourself for your distro |
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| 04:07.35 | abrotman | supersoundguy: like lets say you've got an old dell server with like a PERC card .. you go into the PERC bios, setup your array, then just boot etch and enjoy |
| 04:07.44 | abrotman | pbbt dell .. yuck |
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| 04:09.42 | phorce1 | doesn't recall if the hwraid in his PowerEdge 700 servers is fully supported. |
| 04:09.51 | supersoundguy | awesome...i've actually got a whole bunch of dell servers at work that I will hopefully will be liberating soon |
| 04:10.04 | jhambo | I can't seem to record any sound through my microphone (using krec). How can I get my microphone to work?? |
| 04:10.54 | abrotman | supersoundguy: beware, not all the controllers dell sells are hardware controllers |
| 04:11.47 | supersoundguy | mine are...i checked when i got hired |
| 04:11.54 | abrotman | checked how? |
| 04:12.32 | supersoundguy | i looked at the purchase requests |
| 04:12.48 | abrotman | yeah .. that doesn't mean much ... but whatever |
| 04:15.26 | supersoundguy | plus i have some firmware updates stored in my archives somewhere |
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| 04:17.03 | jhambo | hmmmm lately I seem to be quite good at finding questions people don't want to take a shot at... |
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| 04:18.30 | devicenull | lol |
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| 04:19.04 | akio | Is there a way to get a framebuffer console at 1024x600? |
| 04:19.28 | akio | I'm not sure of the correct way to set that. |
| 04:19.56 | akio | Most machines I just load intelfb and thats that, but this mode is non-standard. |
| 04:22.15 | akio | Anyone here mess with the framebuffer? |
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| 04:30.32 | ganes | what to do which package is responsible for this |
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| 04:53.42 | JordiGH | ath5k or madwifi? |
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| 04:55.53 | doublehp | mencoder says http://pastebin.com/d1dadc49b is there a solution without recompiling ? |
| 04:56.37 | Guerin | doublehp: mplayer isn't in debain. Ask #mplayer |
| 04:56.58 | Guerin | doublehp: (be aware they only support their own source built from scratch) |
| 04:57.16 | doublehp | Guerin: then, who supports http://www.debian-multimedia.org ? |
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| 04:57.44 | magdalene | curls up under the #debian_fern |
| 04:57.57 | Guerin | doublehp: nobody, really. |
| 04:58.02 | doublehp | http://pastebin.com/d65d7acc0 is my CPU 386 or 586 ? |
| 04:58.12 | Guerin | doublehp: that's what you get for using grey-market software :) |
| 04:58.36 | craigevil | mplayer is in debian at least in sid> pool/main/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0~rc2-20_i386.deb Maintainer: A Mennucc1 <mennucc1@debian.org> |
| 04:58.57 | Guerin | craigevil: bah, mencoder isn't. That's what I meant. |
| 04:59.12 | Guerin | yes, mplayer is in debian now, but the question was about mencoder. |
| 04:59.31 | doublehp | is my cpu 586 or 386 ? |
| 04:59.45 | Guerin | !htfswk doublehp |
| 04:59.45 | dpkg | doublehp: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 05:00.04 | Guerin | doublehp: did you buy it in the early 1990s? |
| 05:00.11 | doublehp | because, amongst people who know, some may be here. |
| 05:00.36 | doublehp | no, i bought it 2 y ago, and this box is still manifactured ... in USA, for USA |
| 05:00.42 | Guerin | doublehp: then it's 586 |
| 05:01.16 | doublehp | mmx should be 586 ... lemme try |
| 05:01.17 | Guerin | (actually, probably better, but it'll be compatibel with the 586 stuff) |
| 05:02.23 | doublehp | Guerin: in the end, you still could help me :) |
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| 05:05.28 | doublehp | magdalene: debian_fern is empty |
| 05:05.34 | magdalene | heh |
| 05:05.49 | magdalene | the #debian_fern is beside the #debian_couch |
| 05:05.54 | magdalene | right here in channel |
| 05:06.06 | doublehp | doubts |
| 05:06.34 | stoned | how can I install xorg with the minimal drivers (i only need radeon) |
| 05:06.35 | doublehp | stops believing magdalene |
| 05:06.41 | stoned | I am trying to setup as minimal a system as possible |
| 05:06.46 | doublehp | stoned: specify them manually on line |
| 05:06.54 | stoned | ok |
| 05:06.57 | magdalene | scoots the #debian_fern closer to the #debian_couch so the herbivores are easier to catch |
| 05:07.04 | doublehp | stoned: same for inputs |
| 05:07.09 | magdalene | scoot *scoot* |
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| 05:09.46 | stoned | can I remove everything from inside /src |
| 05:09.54 | stoned | I don't need sources for anything do I? |
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| 05:14.45 | stoned | doublehp, i can't quite figure out how, apt wants to keep wanting to isntall all of it |
| 05:15.16 | stoned | even though I've disabled recommends and suggest in apt.conf |
| 05:16.32 | epsilon | I have a workstation with Xeon (without EMT64) - but the datasheet says the mainboard (also non-EMT64) can handle up to 8GB RAM. I thought only with EMT64 I can address more than 4GB RAM? |
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| 05:21.16 | pickcoder | epsilon: just because the board can doesn't mean the entire setup can |
| 05:21.44 | pickcoder | you should be able access it using the bigmem kernel |
| 05:22.24 | pickcoder | pae helps with >4gb |
| 05:23.19 | Guerin | stoned: the -all drivers package is hauled in by the xorg metapackage. You want xbase-clients, xserver-xorg, the radeon driver package and some inputs at minimum |
| 05:23.35 | Guerin | (there may be a few 've missed out but x should make these clear to you when you try to run it) |
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| 05:23.56 | _2 | xorg error http://pastebin.com/f40060be9 |
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| 05:25.25 | Guerin | doublehp: no, I couldn't, because I know nothign much about mencoder |
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| 05:26.37 | doublehp | stoned: sorry, i was away |
| 05:26.58 | doublehp | stoned: last time i had this problem, i was said to specify on line only the drivers i needed, and it worked. Maybe, you need to add the generic virtual one ... |
| 05:27.07 | Sifre | how to remove/add user Znc irc Bouncer? |
| 05:27.10 | Sifre | hi |
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| 05:28.04 | _2 | i thought that removing "synaptic touchpad" from the xorg.conf might help, but alas it didn't |
| 05:28.21 | doublehp | stoned: Guerin gave more details than me a few minutes ago, rad your logs |
| 05:28.41 | doublehp | what's recommended minimum disk size for a proxy ? |
| 05:29.06 | stoned | Guerin, got it |
| 05:29.13 | stoned | doublehp, thanks |
| 05:29.49 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.13 | stew | Guerin: what's the maximum? |
| 05:30.29 | Guerin | stew: as much as you can afford! |
| 05:30.36 | stew | well done |
| 05:30.59 | Guerin | yes, the department of stupid answers to stupid questions is working overtime today |
| 05:31.39 | _2 | well someone answer mine, what should i look at for fixing http://pastebin.com/f40060be9 |
| 05:31.57 | _2 | ? |
| 05:32.56 | Guerin | _2: funky. Debian kernel? |
| 05:33.06 | _2 | lenny standard |
| 05:33.30 | stoned | /dev/sda1 6.5G 3.2G 2.9G 53% / |
| 05:33.33 | Guerin | _2: try fucking with some bios settings for input devices, if they exist. Otherwise I have no idea. |
| 05:33.34 | doublehp | Guerin: i have 160M free ... and suspect it's "really not enough" |
| 05:33.37 | stoned | dev/sda1 6.5G 3.2G 2.9G 53% / <- I am the man |
| 05:33.58 | stew | doublehp: what are you proxying? |
| 05:34.08 | doublehp | myself :) |
| 05:34.11 | _2 | Guerin k thanks for the fish. etch didn't have that problem though. |
| 05:34.25 | stew | doublehp: how big are you? |
| 05:34.26 | Guerin | doublehp: depends what you plan to proxy. That's why it's a stupid question. If you have a couple hundred 5k wep pages to proxy, it'll be fine. If more, then ... well ... |
| 05:35.04 | Guerin | _2: tbh I have experienced some horrendous fuckups with the 2.6.26 kernel in debian - loike, it won't accept my e100 network device |
| 05:35.24 | doublehp | stew: :P |
| 05:35.37 | Guerin | so I'm back to using .20 or something |
| 05:35.50 | cafuego | Guerin: Speaking of, coming to LCA? |
| 05:36.16 | _2 | Guerin ok. what's the best/easiest way to up-the-kernel ? |
| 05:36.33 | Guerin | cafuego: nah. Family++, and we're down to one income for the forseeable future, and I couldn't convince my employer to treat it as a conference. |
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| 05:37.44 | Guerin | _2: since sid only has .26 as well, i'd look to down it. snapshot.debian.net should have recent kernels. But be sure to check the security status of them. You could build you own, but that way lies pain if you've not done it before. |
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| 05:38.31 | Guerin | cafuego: incidentally, was that `speaking of networks' or `speaking of horrendous fuckups'? |
| 05:39.09 | JW | When installing CPAN modules, is there a way to tell it to SKIP the tests and just make ; make install ? |
| 05:39.51 | cafuego | Guerin: yes |
| 05:40.00 | _2 | isn't this sweet, "you have to upgrade to lenny to get kernel support for your wifi" & "you have to build a kernel to have mouse support in lenny" why didn't i just build the kernel to begin with ? |
| 05:40.19 | cafuego | Guerin: Oh well. With a bit of luck Wellington will win the 2010 bid. |
| 05:41.24 | _2 | Q. would it work to use a linux-image-<version>*.deb from another distro ? ubuntu maybe ? |
| 05:42.16 | enouf | try etchnhalf .24 bozo |
| 05:42.26 | Guerin | _2: very likely not. It might seem to work, but the gods only know what might happen. |
| 05:42.29 | enouf | etch has a .26 |
| 05:42.30 | pickcoder | _2: you really don't want to go there. You're better off getting one from bpo or building it from source |
| 05:42.34 | enouf | er bpo does |
| 05:42.50 | _2 | enouf down grading the kernel to fix the mouse will mean losing wifi support |
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| 05:43.01 | Guerin | _2: yeah, I recommend filing a bug against that kernel. It might piss the maintainers off, but ... hey, that's what the QC process is for. |
| 05:43.36 | Guerin | cafuego: that'd be winningness. |
| 05:43.45 | pickcoder | _2: do you need a specific kernel module from a newer kernel for wifi? |
| 05:44.23 | _2 | pickcoder the ath5k in the 2.6.26 works fine for the wifi but breaks the mouse >>> http://pastebin.com/f40060be9 |
| 05:44.53 | enouf | IIRC "atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. " is an OLD friggin error, long since fixed - is evdev module loaded? |
| 05:45.31 | cafuego | Guerin: I've never been to NZ, so I can only hope it would be :-) |
| 05:45.48 | Guerin | wellington is awesome. we have better coffee than melbourne, too. |
| 05:45.54 | _2 | enouf just loaded it, testing. |
| 05:46.05 | cafuego | Guerin: You come to Lygon street and repeat that out loud. |
| 05:46.12 | Guerin | says, having never been to melbourne |
| 05:46.13 | cafuego | ... and live. |
| 05:46.14 | enouf | no, i thought evdev spit out that error |
| 05:46.51 | cloudy_nz | agrees that coffee in Wellington is most excellent |
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| 05:47.05 | _2 | enouf loading evdev seems to have helped it... ;/ |
| 05:47.05 | cafuego | Is it like italian coffee? |
| 05:47.14 | cloudy_nz | it's the milk :) |
| 05:47.21 | mike__ | hey im having trouble getting my flash player installed and working can someone help me out |
| 05:47.22 | Guerin | cafuego: well, since I've never been to italy either ... |
| 05:47.23 | magdalene | Guerin: where are you from btw. I am curious |
| 05:47.24 | cafuego | Wtf does milk have to do with coffee? |
| 05:47.27 | enouf | _2: you're using lenny? with .26? does etch-backports .26 work for your wifi? |
| 05:47.38 | cloudy_nz | cafe coffee is like 2/3 milk |
| 05:47.42 | enouf | _2: google evdev that error |
| 05:47.45 | cafuego | Guerin: heh. Is it strong enough to dissolve a tea spoon without being bitter? |
| 05:47.46 | Guerin | magdalene: I'm in Wellington. I'm from the Naki. |
| 05:47.51 | _2 | enouf yes lenny here |
| 05:47.58 | magdalene | eeeeeeenouuuf |
| 05:47.59 | cafuego | cloudy_nz: I consider that flavoured milk, not coffee. |
| 05:48.07 | enouf | maggy! |
| 05:48.20 | Guerin | cafuego: teaspoons? Those things which heathens use to put sugar in beverages? |
| 05:48.26 | ganes | i am getting an error when i am running the "locale-gen" -- the localedef command not found |
| 05:48.27 | enouf | "i think i got something to say to you ..." |
| 05:48.30 | magdalene | throws enouf a brand new dayglow green #debian_herbivore T-shirt |
| 05:48.30 | ganes | what to do which package is responsible for this |
| 05:48.39 | cafuego | Guerin: yep, them. |
| 05:49.01 | Guerin | cafuego: the places I drink at don't have 'em, so I wouldn't know. |
| 05:49.13 | cafuego | Guerin: Eeeeeeeexcellent :-) |
| 05:49.55 | _2 | enouf you are a genious, although you may have stumbled onto it by mistake, that seems to have fixed it completely. i'll add evdev to /etc/modules for a permanant cure |
| 05:49.57 | stoned | wow man I have never has such a sparkling clean system before |
| 05:50.10 | stoned | I freed up 3 gigs worth of bullshit |
| 05:50.13 | Guerin | -> making linguine alla bolognese |
| 05:50.19 | enouf | _2: heh, i might have been thinking of "evbug" spitting those errors; anyways; ~$ rgrep evbug /etc/mod* |
| 05:50.20 | stoned | ugh, pig eater! |
| 05:50.34 | cafuego | is probably making kangaroo steak with broccoli later |
| 05:50.51 | stoned | i think kangaroo is halal maybe |
| 05:51.03 | stoned | pig is haram though |
| 05:51.10 | cafuego | That depends entirely on how it's butchered. |
| 05:51.14 | stoned | no |
| 05:51.16 | cafuego | Offhand I'd say this isn't. |
| 05:51.25 | stoned | it has nothing to do with how its butchered |
| 05:51.27 | Serraphin | if while installing I get I/O Error, dev fd0, sector 0, is that something to beconcerned about, I'm not installing from a floppy |
| 05:51.37 | cafuego | stoned: liar |
| 05:51.50 | Serraphin | or is that the results of a bad CD? |
| 05:51.53 | cafuego | Serraphin: nope. it's just probing, prolly. |
| 05:52.01 | stoned | cafuego, Halal != Zabeeha(which has to do with the way) |
| 05:52.11 | pickcoder | fd0 should never be a CD or HDD |
| 05:52.19 | cafuego | stoned: you can discuss that with the local kebab shop guys. |
| 05:52.19 | _2 | enouf just tested with the 'evdev' module loading at boot time, cheers! all is well with both gpm and xorg now. |
| 05:52.25 | stoned | cafuego, halal is any animal not forbidden to eat, Zabeeha is the correct islamic way of butchering |
| 05:52.28 | enouf | _2: well, here's the source code where one error comes from psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/s |
| 05:52.42 | enouf | er here http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/drivers/input/keyboard/atkbd.c#L419 |
| 05:52.45 | stoned | cafuego, sure and you can be ignorant. |
| 05:52.49 | cafuego | stoned: In the mean time, I'll continue to believe them over someone on irc <heh> |
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| 05:53.08 | enouf | _2: beauty - can you send a bug report with fix too please? |
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| 05:53.50 | stoned | cafuego, I'm muslim, grew up in a muslim state, we practice Eid al Adha every year. This dude on irc knows wtf hes talking about, but nevermind, I am gonna get yelled at anyway :( |
| 05:53.51 | _2 | enouf fix is echo 'evdev' | sudo tee -a /etc/modules |
| 05:54.13 | stoned | I'm just so happy I took finally 2 hours today cleaned out my system and such |
| 05:54.23 | cafuego | stoned: I have no reason to yell at you, but also no raeson to mistrust the locals here |
| 05:54.26 | stoned | remove all the garbage and nonsense I didn't need, turned off recommends and suggets |
| 05:54.58 | stoned | cafuego, the locals are using SLANG, street lingo. I am giving you correct info you can verify through many resources online. anyway, my system kicks ass |
| 05:55.26 | stoned | I tried amarok2 from exp. it is nice, very nice, however a lack of stability is irritating me |
| 05:55.38 | tminos | is there a way to make apt/aptitude mark a couple of packages as something to completely ignore? Say, if I wanted to copy a single package out of a third repo that had a dependency on something that it doesn't actually need and isn't in the deb tree |
| 05:55.41 | cafuego | Teh internet is full of caek, and the caek is a lie. |
| 05:55.56 | streuner | wth is caek? |
| 05:55.56 | stoned | cafuego, good day to you sir. |
| 05:56.06 | tabris|away | streuner: cake |
| 05:56.18 | tabris|away | streuner: tyops are a btich |
| 05:56.44 | stoned | tminos, come again |
| 05:56.50 | enouf | _2: well - what i meant was that loading that module cleared it up - it'll help for the devs to know that along with all your Mobo/CPU/make/model specifics as well as what info reportbug wants, like maybe lspci, dmseg, etc |
| 05:56.53 | stoned | tminos, you're not talking about 'holding' a package are you? |
| 05:57.23 | Serraphin | sits wondering what is going on |
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| 05:57.52 | tminos | stoned: say I want to copy the .deb from Shame's compiz repo just to get emerald working with Debian-unstable (since it doesn't have emerald.) I can install the .deb fine by setting ignore-depends but if I want to then install anything else I get "The following packages are BROKEN: emerald" each time I want to do anything. I've tried setting them on hold |
| 05:58.14 | stoned | isn't emerald in debian? |
| 05:58.18 | tminos | nope |
| 05:58.21 | stoned | hm |
| 05:58.25 | enouf | magdalene: hrm .. i just had a "wipe-it's-ass-and-bring-it-to-me-RARE" fucken 2lb black angus lump of beef .. this sucker was 2" think |
| 05:58.27 | stoned | you don't want to use emerald then |
| 05:58.34 | stoned | compiz-gtk |
| 05:58.36 | stoned | use this |
| 05:58.49 | enouf | magdalene: i don't think you want me in herbivore world :-P </evil grin> |
| 05:58.54 | stoned | if you need emerald, I can't help :( |
| 05:59.07 | tminos | compiz-gtk just tosses in libmetacity and gives me an ugly decorator that uses GTK (which is ugly since everything else I have is qt/kde) |
| 05:59.11 | stoned | but as for what you are trying to do, I dunno if its possible |
| 05:59.18 | magdalene | heh |
| 05:59.21 | stoned | so use kde |
| 05:59.26 | stoned | I use kde+compiz |
| 05:59.30 | Serraphin | vegitarians make me laugh tbh, say they are all about nature and love and such. |
| 05:59.32 | stoned | compiz-kde - OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator |
| 05:59.40 | stoned | use this with any kwin-style you please |
| 05:59.40 | tminos | I had thought there was a way to make it ignore something instead of having to unpack the .deb and change the dependency the hard way |
| 05:59.46 | enouf | but thanks for the shirt .. :-) |
| 05:59.54 | tminos | compiz doesn't use the kde-decorator for 4x yet |
| 06:00.04 | stoned | you don't need compiz with kde4 |
| 06:00.06 | tminos | and kde's compositor is extreeemely slow for me still (nvidia card) |
| 06:00.12 | stoned | all the compiz effects are in kwin4 |
| 06:00.23 | stoned | works fine for me in radeon open source driver |
| 06:00.51 | stoned | you shouldn't even be using kde4 :) |
| 06:00.51 | tminos | not quite, the two behave differently-and KDE's window switching is bugged if you change the keybinding (which I can't help after years of using tiled wm) |
| 06:01.03 | stoned | yeh, those things can be well irritating |
| 06:01.06 | _2 | enouf reportbug seems to want an email address, is there a generic that can be used ? |
| 06:01.18 | _2 | root@localhost ? |
| 06:01.20 | stoned | tminos, not sure what to tell ya man, look here |
| 06:01.42 | tminos | thanks anyway StarkD |
| 06:01.43 | stoned | tminos, you can grab the source package |
| 06:01.43 | tminos | ... |
| 06:01.44 | tminos | stoned. |
| 06:01.49 | enouf | _2: you can generate throw-away ones at sneakemail or spamgourmet etc |
| 06:01.59 | stoned | tminos, modify the depends so the package doesn't depend on anything |
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| 06:02.04 | stoned | tminos, and rebuild it |
| 06:02.18 | tminos | I was going to just unpack the .deb itself and edit the dependency listing |
| 06:02.25 | stoned | tminos, :( |
| 06:02.29 | tminos | I know it works fine anyway, I'm using it right now anyway |
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| 06:05.54 | enouf | heh - likely very useful for many http://links4later.com/ i recall some asking about something like this |
| 06:07.14 | pickcoder | does anyone know if apache2 is compiled with ndbm support? |
| 06:07.15 | stoned | dude |
| 06:07.18 | stoned | ever heard of VFU? |
| 06:07.32 | stoned | pickcoder, c'mon man you can find out :) |
| 06:07.55 | pickcoder | it's not in the -V option |
| 06:08.12 | enouf | tminos: you might have been thinking of /msg dpkg equivs ? |
| 06:08.53 | nsadmin | but it may be in the configure step which is probably in debian/rules which you can get by running apt-get source apache2 |
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| 06:09.06 | pickcoder | yeah I'm going there.. just too tired to do it |
| 06:09.13 | pickcoder | was hoping someone had already been there |
| 06:09.20 | enouf | and sometimes, not so easy to figure out |
| 06:09.30 | nsadmin | not me... I use aolserver |
| 06:09.40 | mker | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=comix does this mean comix 4 will be included in lenny (possibly) or that it absolutely won't be? |
| 06:09.49 | tminos | enouf: that looks like it'll do it. thanks |
| 06:10.43 | enouf | heck, me and this CS grad had a little time trying to figure out whether or not ssl was compiled into links2 (btw, it is), which then led to this bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=Your+search+-+si510417zzzz |
| 06:10.57 | pickcoder | of course it doesn't have ndbm support |
| 06:10.59 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 06:11.22 | enouf | pickcoder: external module? |
| 06:11.37 | pickcoder | no it's a core option |
| 06:11.54 | stoned | !info python-sexy |
| 06:12.07 | pickcoder | --with-gdbm --with-ndbm --with-berkley-db |
| 06:12.14 | pickcoder | none of them are compiled in |
| 06:12.15 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search libapache2 | grep ndbm == nada :-/ |
| 06:12.28 | dpkg | python-sexy: (python language bindings for libsexy), section python, is optional. Version: 0.1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 06:12.33 | pickcoder | sdbm is available in the code |
| 06:12.35 | _2 | ok, question about wifi and unencripted networks, can one specify static ip's with wireless like you can with wired (ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.1 up) ? or is that all wrong for wireless ? |
| 06:12.45 | stoned | nsadmin, yo |
| 06:12.49 | JordiGH | _2: Yes, you can. |
| 06:13.07 | pickcoder | of course the sample txt->dbm convertor on apache.org is for creating ndbm maps |
| 06:13.12 | pickcoder | not sdbm |
| 06:13.14 | JordiGH | _2: Use iwconfig to associate to the AP you want, and then use ifconfig as normal for static ips. |
| 06:13.19 | _2 | JordiGH and i suppose that dhclient wlan0 works to? |
| 06:13.27 | JordiGH | _2: Yes. |
| 06:13.35 | _2 | k thanks. |
| 06:13.39 | pickcoder | meh.. httxt2dbm supports sdbm |
| 06:13.46 | JordiGH | !nickometer _2 |
| 06:13.48 | dpkg | '_2' is 19.000% lame, jordigh |
| 06:13.51 | streuner | hm |
| 06:13.52 | pickcoder | why didn't I see that 12 hours ago |
| 06:13.55 | JordiGH | I guess there's not enough nick for lameness. |
| 06:14.18 | _2 | JordiGH ? |
| 06:14.30 | enouf | offers pickcoder lighttpd or something :-p |
| 06:14.44 | pickcoder | it's for an e-commerce server |
| 06:14.56 | enouf | heh |
| 06:14.57 | z0mg_L0lz_l34t | !nickometer z0mg_L0lz_l34t |
| 06:14.59 | dpkg | 'z0mg_L0lz_l34t' is 82.000% lame, z0mg_l0lz_l34t |
| 06:15.05 | w3rd_ | hey guys is it possible to do file xfer on a lun to lun basis only through a fc switch if the lun is carved out with a nix file system and mounted... if i do cp <filename> and its exclusively between the mount points that are san storage is it xfered over fcal? |
| 06:15.06 | enouf | !nick .. bah |
| 06:15.16 | _2 | JordiGH one other thing, would mind giving an example of the iwconfig line you mentioned, i'm still not really understanding it. thanks. |
| 06:15.54 | JordiGH | _2: For unencrypted networks, iwconfig wlan0 essid "the essid goes here" |
| 06:16.10 | _2 | ok. thanks. |
| 06:16.23 | JordiGH | _2: use ap $hwaddress if you want to use hardware address instead of essid. |
| 06:16.48 | _2 | ah that's more stable maybe |
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| 06:18.04 | _2 | you really think that nick _2 = base two "binary" is lame ? |
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| 06:19.04 | JordiGH | Beginning identifiers with _ is commonly done in order to make the deliberately ugly and not prone to be overwritten, a primitive sort of namespacing. This is done all the time in Python and is common in CPP macros. |
| 06:19.17 | JordiGH | So yes, initial _ is ugly. |
| 06:19.35 | pickcoder | w3rd_: I would assume that if the LUN was made of segments on the SAN and they were all local to the fiber switch then it should stay local. If I understand what you're saying. |
| 06:19.56 | pickcoder | it really depends on what the lun is made of |
| 06:21.21 | Kobaz | so, when i suspend to ram, it seems to work... but then i bring it back up, and i have no video... anything i should try? |
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| 06:22.11 | JordiGH | Kobaz: Tried the quirks website? |
| 06:22.52 | JordiGH | Kobaz: Not sure how relevant it is, but... |
| 06:22.54 | JordiGH | http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/quirk/index.html |
| 06:22.59 | Kobaz | quirks? |
| 06:23.01 | Kobaz | k |
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| 06:25.20 | _2 | so if i use bridge-utils, i could put an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for both the wlan0 the eth0 and the br0 to setup a bridged wireless/wired lan for seamless connection and network sharing ??? "like i already do with eth0 and eth1 on another box" |
| 06:25.43 | denis | join/ |
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| 06:27.23 | stoned | drwx---r-x 1 3407861 450 4.0K 2009-01-06 01:26 Documents <-- WTF ? |
| 06:27.57 | stoned | who is 3407861:450 uid:gid? |
| 06:28.03 | stoned | does this make sense? |
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| 06:29.34 | _2 | shouldn't uid limit be something like 64k ? |
| 06:30.07 | kash | can any1 tell me a mirror for repos |
| 06:30.11 | kash | im using debian |
| 06:30.34 | Kobaz | google? |
| 06:30.56 | Kobaz | "debian mirrors" and "i'm feeling lucky" |
| 06:31.07 | stoned | libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 06:31.10 | stoned | what am I missing? |
| 06:31.27 | Kobaz | stoned: dri in the kernel |
| 06:31.38 | enouf | _2: your nick is lame b/c of keystrokes required |
| 06:31.49 | Kobaz | oh wait, i cant think, i'm tired, ignore that |
| 06:32.07 | _2 | enouf ok. |
| 06:32.07 | Kobaz | i thought i saw an unresolved symbol |
| 06:32.10 | enouf | nobody's nick should require 2 keypresses at once |
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| 06:32.29 | Kobaz | stoned: you're missing some libraries... try apt-file search |
| 06:32.53 | _2 | stoned interesting, -rw-r----- 1 876387463 42244368 5156 Jan 5 21:52 lat0-16.psf <<< seems that the limit is nine digits |
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| 06:33.25 | w3rd_ | pickcoder: basically each storage controller on the san, being that i believe there are 2-4 are multipathed to 2 fiber switches and the luns on the san are mapped to solaris boxes and esx hosts... so my question is this... if my esx cluster and my sun boxes share the same san and have mount point that are san storage if i xfer a folder that is say 80GB wouldnt i be xfering all this over a fcal or fiber channel? os is this like ip over copp |
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| 06:34.36 | enouf | stoned: uid/gid as numbers like that could mean a few things - try getent passwd | grep 3407861 |
| 06:34.57 | stoned | im not worrying about it now |
| 06:35.07 | stoned | I'm worried about indirect glx |
| 06:35.21 | stoned | wtf happened, an hour ago I was playing doom3 now I can't even get dri to work? |
| 06:35.36 | enouf | sucks to be you |
| 06:35.38 | stoned | what happened, I must have done something while cleaning the system, but I only removed some packagees |
| 06:35.48 | stoned | what are some things I can check, I'm fresh out of ideas |
| 06:36.01 | enouf | libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 06:36.07 | stoned | its good |
| 06:36.12 | enouf | libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 06:36.22 | stoned | yup |
| 06:36.52 | kash | i added many mirrors in the sources.list file |
| 06:37.07 | kash | but when i run apt-get update |
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| 06:37.34 | kash | then it says after a long list failed to fetch some packages |
| 06:37.37 | stoned | enouf, http://paste.debian.net/25347/ |
| 06:37.38 | craigevil | stoned: is dri in your xorg.conf |
| 06:37.41 | enouf | what does Kobaz suggestion yield? |
| 06:37.44 | stoned | craigevil, as well as glx yes |
| 06:37.51 | stoned | craigevil, everything should be fine |
| 06:37.57 | stoned | craigevil, is fine, |
| 06:37.58 | _2 | touch wont work after "12-31 23:59 2037" |
| 06:38.23 | nsadmin | _2: why? |
| 06:38.24 | stoned | Kobaz, was not right i think |
| 06:38.36 | _2 | nsadmin idk, it just wont |
| 06:38.40 | stoned | oh |
| 06:38.41 | stoned | I know why |
| 06:38.42 | stoned | nevermind |
| 06:38.45 | stoned | I'll fix it |
| 06:38.52 | enouf | drm kernel module? |
| 06:38.54 | stoned | sorry to bothe ryou |
| 06:38.55 | stoned | no |
| 06:38.56 | _2 | touch: invalid date format `203812312359' |
| 06:39.01 | stoned | I accidentally downgraded xorg |
| 06:39.02 | stoned | :/ |
| 06:39.08 | enouf | dumbass |
| 06:39.10 | stoned | I need 7.4 |
| 06:39.14 | stoned | shaddup |
| 06:39.17 | stoned | :) |
| 06:39.41 | nsadmin | _2: how are date/times stored? |
| 06:40.07 | _2 | never really looked into it. |
| 06:40.26 | stoned | enouf, yeh I forgot, radeon for my card doesn't give 3d support unless you use mesa/xorg from git |
| 06:40.44 | enouf | ok |
| 06:40.53 | stoned | look in the paste |
| 06:41.00 | stoned | unknown chip id 0x7249, can't guess. |
| 06:41.03 | stoned | heh |
| 06:41.09 | nsadmin | there's not really a way to say this nicely... but I'll do my best... so you're making a statement about something that you know you have no idea about... |
| 06:41.16 | enouf | update-pciids |
| 06:41.35 | nsadmin | I would have explained, but you don't appear to care |
| 06:43.04 | nsadmin | so without explaining... there are about 30 years to correct the problem, and it's a faily simple, solved problem |
| 06:44.01 | craigevil | its a M$ inflicted bug to rid the world on linux in 2038 :) , thats if the world doesn't end in 2012 |
| 06:44.47 | _2 | nsadmin heh. all they have to do is add a digit to the file discriptor btw date correction "1-18 21:14 2038" is more accurate. |
| 06:45.12 | kash | wine |
| 06:45.31 | nsadmin | _2: I think the plan is to add 32 bits |
| 06:45.48 | _2 | craigevil the world isn't going to end in 2012, it may change a lot, but not end. |
| 06:46.29 | nsadmin | if half of it is blown off by then, the orbit will change somewhat :) |
| 06:46.31 | kash | ubuntu |
| 06:46.46 | nsadmin | wubba |
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| 06:48.12 | kash | fedora |
| 06:48.25 | nsadmin | kimora |
| 06:48.56 | _2 | is a little surprised that no one mentioned the invalid date mentioned first, but figures his nick is too lame for most people to read it anyway |
| 06:48.59 | _2 | :))) |
| 06:49.13 | _2 | i'm went. see you fellows later maybe. |
| 06:49.25 | kash | pclinux |
| 06:49.29 | kash | redhat |
| 06:49.33 | kash | kubuntu |
| 06:49.37 | kash | xubuntu |
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| 06:49.57 | kash | freespire |
| 06:50.02 | craigevil | stop |
| 06:50.08 | kash | linspire |
| 06:50.18 | kash | windows |
| 06:50.24 | kash | linux |
| 06:50.26 | kash | unix |
| 06:50.34 | kash | macintosh |
| 06:50.35 | craigevil | !ops kash spam |
| 06:50.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: craigevil complains about: kash spam |
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| 06:52.23 | kash | debian rocks |
| 06:53.57 | stoned | ok im back |
| 06:54.12 | stoned | enouf, direct rendering: Yes |
| 06:54.12 | stoned | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 06:54.24 | stoned | now I can get back to fragging in open arena |
| 06:56.27 | kash | qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp |
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| 06:56.54 | ju____ | a guy just installed debian. |
| 06:57.05 | kash | who? |
| 06:57.17 | ju____ | and came to show his happyness here. |
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| 07:00.03 | kash | anybody has debian sid? |
| 07:00.30 | \amethyst | !anybody |
| 07:00.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 07:00.47 | \amethyst | probably all kinds of people here run sid |
| 07:00.54 | kash | yeah right |
| 07:00.59 | kash | its coo' |
| 07:01.02 | kash | *cool |
| 07:01.11 | kash | but i cant run my printer on it |
| 07:01.17 | craigevil | ive had sid running on my desktop for 5 yrs, same install with daily dist-upgrades |
| 07:01.32 | \amethyst | kash: what's your printer, and have you checked the hardware compatibility list? |
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| 07:01.35 | \amethyst | !hcl |
| 07:01.35 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask about <modinfo pci alias> |
| 07:01.48 | kash | HP Laserjet 6L |
| 07:02.04 | \amethyst | kash: USB, network, parallel? |
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| 07:02.11 | kash | parallel |
| 07:02.32 | DaRtH_VaDeR | is away... |
| 07:02.44 | hoxu | !tell DaRtH_VaDeR about public away |
| 07:02.56 | \amethyst | kash: do you have cups installed? |
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| 07:04.33 | evilsporkman | is data execution prevention on by default in debian these days? I'm working through Smashing the Stack For Fun and Profit, and no matter what part of my shellcode i jump to, I get a segfault. |
| 07:05.44 | enouf | !nx |
| 07:05.44 | dpkg | [nx] http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 07:05.56 | enouf | heh |
| 07:06.36 | evilsporkman | I know about the NX bit, but someone has to set it |
| 07:07.03 | \amethyst | evilsporkman: address space randomization |
| 07:08.01 | evilsporkman | \amethyst: I am watching it in the debugger with stepi -- it has jumped to the correct address, as shown by the disassembly and the instruction pointer |
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| 07:08.30 | \amethyst | evilsporkman: is this amd64 or x86? |
| 07:08.34 | evilsporkman | amd64 |
| 07:09.00 | evilsporkman | NX flag is showing in /proc/cpuinfo, but some software sets that somewhere. |
| 07:09.08 | evilsporkman | google is being rather unhelpful |
| 07:09.29 | \amethyst | it would be the kernel |
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| 07:10.15 | kash | my printer is there in the hardware compatibility list |
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| 07:11.39 | evilsporkman | ah, -z execstack should be passed to the linker to make the stack executable. there's probably a way to do that for .data as well |
| 07:12.36 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/arch/x86/Kconfig.debug#L124 |
| 07:14.39 | kash | bye |
| 07:14.52 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/arch/x86/Kconfig#L930 |
| 07:15.21 | mker | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=comix does this mean comix 4 will be included in lenny (possibly) or that it absolutely won't be? |
| 07:15.51 | kash | <kash> linux |
| 07:15.53 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, linux is closed |
| 07:15.55 | kash | <kash> debian' |
| 07:15.57 | kash | <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kash |
| 07:15.59 | kash | <kash> debian |
| 07:16.01 | kash | <dpkg> hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:16.01 | hoxu | kash, stop it |
| 07:16.04 | kash | <kash> ubuntu |
| 07:16.05 | Guerin | !fuck kash |
| 07:16.06 | kash | <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:16.11 | kash | <kash> redhat |
| 07:16.11 | hoxu | !ops kash still spamming |
| 07:16.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: kash still spamming |
| 07:16.15 | kash | <dpkg> I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?, kash |
| 07:16.17 | kash | <kash> freespire |
| 07:16.19 | kash | <dpkg> methinks freespire is <linspire>, was <lindows>. Today it's <based on> <ubuntu>. Not supported here, regardless of their lack of support. Install Debian today if you want support here :), or /join #freespire @ irc.freenode.net |
| 07:16.23 | kash | <kash> windows |
| 07:16.25 | kash | <dpkg> PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 07:16.27 | kash | <kash> microsoft |
| 07:16.29 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, microsoft is a software company based in the USA, maker of Microsoft Windows. see http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 07:16.32 | kash | <kash> apple |
| 07:16.34 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, apple is the best hardware company out there. They make much better processors than intelAMD, but unfortunately are a bit proprietary, or the most "proprietary" of all companies, ever... sucks. OSI approved, or the rooted os |
| 07:16.38 | kash | <kash> bot |
| 07:16.40 | kash | <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:16.41 | hoxu | mker, does komix 4 fix some RC bugs or any other reason why it should go to lenny? |
| 07:16.45 | kash | <kash> bot |
| 07:16.47 | kash | <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:16.50 | kash | <kash> spybot |
| 07:16.52 | kash | <dpkg> have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:16.54 | kash | <kash> no |
| 07:16.56 | kash | <dpkg> No Offense |
| 07:16.58 | kash | <kash> whore |
| 07:17.00 | kash | <dpkg> A whore would be a corporate lawyer |
| 07:17.02 | kash | <kash> ok |
| 07:17.04 | kash | <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, kash |
| 07:17.06 | kash | <kash> dpkg |
| 07:17.08 | kash | <dpkg> hmm... dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". |
| 07:17.10 | kash | <kash> linux |
| 07:17.12 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, linux is closed |
| 07:17.16 | kash | <kash> debian' |
| 07:17.18 | kash | <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kash |
| 07:17.20 | kash | <kash> debian |
| 07:17.22 | kash | <dpkg> hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:17.25 | kash | <kash> ubuntu |
| 07:17.27 | kash | <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:17.32 | kash | <kash> redhat |
| 07:17.34 | kash | <dpkg> I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?, kash |
| 07:17.36 | kash | <kash> freespire |
| 07:17.38 | kash | <dpkg> methinks freespire is <linspire>, was <lindows>. Today it's <based on> <ubuntu>. Not supported here, regardless of their lack of support. Install Debian today if you want support here :), or /join #freespire @ irc.freenode.net |
| 07:17.42 | kash | <kash> windows |
| 07:17.45 | liable | jesus christ |
| 07:17.46 | kash | <dpkg> PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 07:17.48 | kash | <kash> microsoft |
| 07:17.50 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, microsoft is a software company based in the USA, maker of Microsoft Windows. see http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 07:17.53 | kash | <kash> apple |
| 07:17.54 | liable | kash: stop it |
| 07:17.55 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, apple is the best hardware company out there. They make much better processors than intelAMD, but unfortunately are a bit proprietary, or the most "proprietary" of all companies, ever... sucks. OSI approved, or the rooted os |
| 07:17.57 | enouf | ! |
| 07:17.57 | enouf | [ |
| 07:17.59 | kash | <kash> bot |
| 07:18.01 | kash | <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:18.04 | kash | <kash> bot |
| 07:18.06 | kash | <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:18.06 | mker | hoxu, not that I know of, I just don't know how to interpret that page. |
| 07:18.09 | kash | <kash> spybot |
| 07:18.10 | enouf | 02:14:51] Ignoring kash!* ... what a relief! |
| 07:18.11 | kash | <dpkg> have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:18.13 | kash | <kash> no |
| 07:18.17 | kash | <dpkg> No Offense |
| 07:18.19 | kash | <kash> whore |
| 07:18.21 | kash | <dpkg> A whore would be a corporate lawyer |
| 07:18.23 | kash | <kash> ok |
| 07:18.25 | kash | <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, kash |
| 07:18.27 | kash | <kash> dpkg |
| 07:18.29 | kash | <dpkg> hmm... dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". |
| 07:18.31 | kash | <kash> linux |
| 07:18.33 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, linux is closed |
| 07:18.35 | kash | <kash> debian' |
| 07:18.37 | kash | <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kash |
| 07:18.39 | kash | <kash> debian |
| 07:18.41 | kash | <dpkg> hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 07:18.46 | kash | <kash> ubuntu |
| 07:18.48 | kash | <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:18.53 | kash | <kash> redhat |
| 07:18.55 | kash | <dpkg> I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?, kash |
| 07:18.57 | kash | <kash> freespire |
| 07:18.59 | kash | <dpkg> methinks freespire is <linspire>, was <lindows>. Today it's <based on> <ubuntu>. Not supported here, regardless of their lack of support. Install Debian today if you want support here :), or /join #freespire @ irc.freenode.net |
| 07:19.01 | enouf | [02:16:17] Ignoring *!*@59.97.176.112 ... what a relief! |
| 07:19.03 | kash | <kash> windows |
| 07:19.05 | kash | <dpkg> PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 07:19.07 | kash | <kash> microsoft |
| 07:19.09 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, microsoft is a software company based in the USA, maker of Microsoft Windows. see http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 07:19.12 | kash | <kash> apple |
| 07:19.16 | kash | <dpkg> from memory, apple is the best hardware company out there. They make much better processors than intelAMD, but unfortunately are a bit proprietary, or the most "proprietary" of all companies, ever... sucks. OSI approved, or the rooted os |
| 07:19.20 | kash | <kash> bot |
| 07:19.22 | kash | <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:19.25 | kash | <kash> bot |
| 07:19.27 | kash | <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:19.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b %kash!*@*] by tomaw |
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| 07:19.40 | liable | \o/ |
| 07:19.45 | hoxu | just permaban the IP too |
| 07:19.46 | liable | kick the fucker too |
| 07:20.06 | Guerin | !beer tomaw |
| 07:20.06 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Piraat for tomaw |
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| 07:20.28 | hoxu | dondelelcaro, can you get kash!n=kash@59.97.176.112 ignored on dpkg, looks like he's messing with the bot and filling it with useless factoids |
| 07:20.48 | enouf | indeed |
| 07:21.00 | enouf | that scumshit messing with dpkg is pissing me off |
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| 07:23.06 | maurer | Hey, I'm attempting to install etch, and the installer seems to be unable to detect my SATA hard drive. Suggestions? |
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| 07:23.21 | mker | hoxu, so I guess that was a "version 4 won't be included"? |
| 07:23.24 | liable | maurer: try the etchnhalf installer |
| 07:23.44 | hoxu | mker, that's what the page says. You can still affect it afaik |
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| 07:24.00 | maurer | liable: The disc image I downloaded was labeled 4.0r4, does that constitute etchnhalf? |
| 07:24.09 | liable | maurer: nope |
| 07:24.16 | enouf | er |
| 07:24.16 | liable | !etchnahalf |
| 07:24.16 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 07:24.32 | enouf | etchnhalf was incorp'd in r4 |
| 07:24.35 | enouf | IIRC |
| 07:24.39 | liable | eh? |
| 07:24.45 | enouf | bee? |
| 07:25.18 | maurer | If it is, then the image I grabbed must be mislabeled, as it comes with a .18 kernel, so clearly this isn't the etch + 1/2 being talked abougt |
| 07:25.50 | enouf | maybe not as/in the Installer - but you can install base etch with .18 and just upgrade to .24 (so long as you have security repos, and run update, IIRC) |
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| 07:26.13 | mker | hoxu, really? affect it how? |
| 07:28.52 | hoxu | mker, my understanding is that if for example the new version (non-trivially, hard-to-backport way) fixed some serious bugs that were present in the earlier version, it should be rather easy to get it into lenny |
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| 07:29.09 | hoxu | but I'm pretty clueless of the release process, maybe you could bug the maintainer |
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| 07:29.28 | webworker | hi |
| 07:29.36 | webworker | how do I enable ftp for my rsync |
| 07:29.59 | webworker | it's early in the morning, perhaps I'm just to tired, but I don't get it :-) |
| 07:30.29 | \amethyst | rsync doesn't work over FTP |
| 07:30.39 | mker | hoxu, my only problem is that scrolling through many pictures makes the thumbnails bar look weird sometimes, don't think they'll see that as serious :) And it might even be fixed. Thanks though! |
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| 07:32.00 | hoxu | mker, doesn't indeed sound very serious :) |
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| 07:32.25 | \amethyst | webworker: lftp has a 'mirror' command that you might find useful |
| 07:33.18 | webworker | amethyst: does it support just download updated files? |
| 07:33.44 | hoxu | webworker, "lftp has builtin mirror which can download or update a whole directory tree." |
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| 07:33.57 | \amethyst | webworker: yes, though it has to go by the file size and the date |
| 07:33.58 | simonrvn | webworker: rsync works over ssh, rsync |
| 07:34.10 | \amethyst | webworker: since FTP doesn't have a way to get a checksum of a remote file |
| 07:34.13 | kestutis | Hey. I can't see XCHAT menu. |
| 07:34.32 | TheJH | hello, I've got aproblem with my MSI Wind Notebook's WLAN function on debian lenny. It dosn't work, and "lspci -v" says there's no driver connected with the WLAN function. It seems that there's not the same driver needed as for the Wind 100. Anyone here who knows how to get WLAN working on the MSI Wind Notebook U90x? |
| 07:34.33 | simonrvn | right click select menubar ? |
| 07:34.53 | kestutis | where to click right button on? |
| 07:37.10 | simonrvn | the window... |
| 07:37.24 | simonrvn | !irssi |
| 07:37.24 | dpkg | hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 07:37.54 | simonrvn | !irssi =~ s/org,/org ,/ |
| 07:37.54 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 07:38.06 | simonrvn | easier to select that way =) |
| 07:38.06 | \amethyst | -f tests for plain files |
| 07:38.07 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 07:38.21 | simonrvn | !irssi |
| 07:38.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org , http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
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| 07:41.01 | kestutis | i can't see xchat menubar |
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| 07:43.32 | rotesgnu | hi all |
| 07:44.01 | kestutis | hi |
| 07:44.27 | ppq | kestutis, press ALT + X |
| 07:44.37 | simonrvn | kestutis: not working? can someone who uses that help him? i don't use it, i don't have it installed. |
| 07:44.43 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 07:44.47 | ppq | kestutis, to see menu bar, press TRG + F9 |
| 07:44.57 | ppq | *STRG |
| 07:45.34 | kestutis | worked. thanks |
| 07:45.39 | ppq | np |
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| 07:50.20 | maurer | OK, the etch + 1/2 solved the cd drive problem, now for some reason it can't seem to get a dhcp address on either of the NICs on the system. I know the NICs and links are correctly set up b/c an ubuntu livecd can get the 'net. |
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| 08:00.51 | TheJH | Anyone here who knows how to get WLAN working on the MSI Wind Notebook U90x? |
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| 08:05.29 | kelley | FREE WEIGHT LOSS SOLUTION @ http://kelleysweightloss.com/ |
| 08:05.41 | kelley | please PM me if you are seriously interested in weight loss. |
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| 08:05.57 | Guerin | !ops kelley wants to be downsized |
| 08:05.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: kelley wants to be downsized |
| 08:06.12 | ppq | TheJH, http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=driverfile&dno=6922&i=0 |
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| 08:09.01 | ppq | TheJH, all drivers: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1533 |
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| 08:09.57 | maurer | (chip controlling LAN is RTL 8111D) |
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| 08:11.37 | Jckf | How can I forward a local port to another local port? Let's say I have an application listening on port 80, but I want connections on port 1234 to forward to 80. |
| 08:14.48 | dondelelcaro | Jckf: you can do it using iptables or things like iprelay |
| 08:15.07 | dondelelcaro | Jckf: but that said, almost anything that is capable of listening on a port is capable of listening on multiple ports |
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| 08:15.33 | Jckf | Yes, but I'm running the application as non-root, and I need to listen to a port below 1024 |
| 08:16.31 | hoxu | Jckf, man iptables, search for "DNAT" |
| 08:16.36 | webworker | thank you very much lftp is working great |
| 08:18.08 | hoxu | Jckf, something like "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination :1234" |
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| 08:19.12 | Jckf | Which IF will that be for? I have eth0 and eth0:1, and I'd like it only to work for the alias |
| 08:19.50 | hoxu | Jckf, then add -i |
| 08:20.05 | Jckf | hoxu: Thank you |
| 08:20.18 | hoxu | not sure if you can use a subinterface for the interface though |
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| 08:20.44 | Jckf | "arning: weird character in interface `eth0:1' (No aliases, :, ! or *)." |
| 08:20.47 | Jckf | *Warning |
| 08:20.54 | Jckf | Poo |
| 08:20.55 | hoxu | guess you can't |
| 08:21.31 | \amethyst | use the IP address |
| 08:21.40 | hoxu | http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2004-October/056556.html |
| 08:21.53 | Jckf | That added fine |
| 08:21.54 | \amethyst | you need to match the destination interface anyway |
| 08:22.00 | \amethyst | -i matches the input interface |
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| 08:24.00 | Jckf | "iptables v1.4.1.1: Can't use -o with PREROUTING" I don't know what I'm doing at all |
| 08:25.50 | hoxu | Jckf, you don't need -o |
| 08:26.18 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 08:27.39 | hoxu | there was a nifty flowchart of iptables somewhere |
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| 08:29.50 | rrob | hi, im using debian preinstaled in xenserver - and when i install and run there midnight commander, i dont see mc blue screen. i just se that command was executed, screen is "locked" i can stop it with ctrl+c but i dont see mc windows. like on this screenshots http://obrazky.rrob.net/mc-in-xenserver-debian/ . |
| 08:29.56 | hoxu | iirc, themill knows where it's buried |
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| 08:31.01 | rrob | or do you know about some midnight commander irc channel / server |
| 08:31.22 | karsten | rrob: Here's fine. What's your question? |
| 08:31.34 | hoxu | karsten, look up |
| 08:31.35 | karsten | rrob: ... um, what's your $TERM setting? |
| 08:31.44 | rrob | dont know .) |
| 08:31.50 | hoxu | rrob, echo $TERM |
| 08:31.50 | karsten | rrob: echo $TERM |
| 08:32.05 | rrob | screen |
| 08:32.15 | rrob | .. im on screen now .. mmt I disable it |
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| 08:32.27 | rrob | xterm |
| 08:32.36 | karsten | rrob: Are you at console or remote on the system? |
| 08:32.49 | karsten | rrob: How's mc behave outside of screen? |
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| 08:33.13 | rrob | im using ssh |
| 08:33.24 | hoxu | dpkg, iptables flowchart is http://cs.senecac.on.ca/~selmys/subjects/sec830-051/iptables.gif |
| 08:33.24 | dpkg | hoxu: okay |
| 08:33.40 | rrob | but its same when im on computer "fyzicaly" - outside screen its same |
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| 08:34.02 | karsten | rrob: There's a few twists & curves that can hit you. ncurses support, graphical or nongraphical character support (for line drawing), I've had gpv interfere with another program (not mc), and locale settings can also muck with things. |
| 08:34.17 | karsten | rrob: What platform are you sshing *from*? |
| 08:34.29 | karsten | rrob: .. and run 'locale' |
| 08:35.16 | rrob | from - wxp puttytray ... but im runing mc in other linux server without problems ... with same puttytray,same settings |
| 08:35.21 | karsten | rrob: locale settings, particularly presense/absence of UTF-8 support can also interfere. |
| 08:35.28 | karsten | rrob: Hrm. |
| 08:35.54 | rrob | my locale: http://pastebin.com/m14766187 |
| 08:37.39 | karsten | rrob: I'm kinda stumped. |
| 08:37.54 | rrob | when i try "sudo apt-get install ncurses-bin" he tell me that i have ncurses-bin uptodate |
| 08:37.59 | karsten | rrob: Try running: 'LANG=C mc' |
| 08:38.06 | karsten | rrob: ... does that change anything? |
| 08:38.13 | rrob | no |
| 08:38.26 | rrob | same problem |
| 08:38.26 | karsten | rrob: I'm kinda stumped myself. strace might tell you something about where mc is locked. |
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| 08:38.30 | karsten | OK. |
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| 08:40.04 | rrob | wov, something happend |
| 08:40.14 | rrob | when i run LANG=C mc |
| 08:40.25 | rrob | it start, but after cca 30s |
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| 08:40.55 | rrob | great, it starts .) |
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| 08:41.23 | karsten | rrob: OK, it's a locale issue. |
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| 08:41.32 | karsten | rrob: ... or at least part of it is. |
| 08:41.34 | rrob | 30s is long time for dual opteron .) |
| 08:41.45 | karsten | doesn't disagree. |
| 08:42.14 | karsten | rrob: I'm up past my bedtime. Try googling or checking BTS. If you don't find a bug, run a strace, log that, and file a bug. |
| 08:42.32 | rrob | im googling last 7 days .) |
| 08:42.52 | rrob | thank you for help |
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| 08:47.48 | kestutis | #ubuntu block me ;/ |
| 08:47.53 | kestutis | blocked |
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| 08:50.29 | Guerin | kestutis: way to introduce yourself. |
| 08:50.32 | RichiH | kestutis: my suggetion is to join #ubuntu-ops and talk to them. from backlog over there, you might want to reconsider your attitude and reading http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 08:50.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:51.54 | RichiH | kestutis: keep in mind that while your problem may be dramatic to you, regulars in the channel help people for free, of their own free will and investing their own free time every day.. also, if the crash message _tells_ you to submit a bug and what to submit, consider submitting it |
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| 08:59.05 | tinctorius | wx + OpenGL is broken |
| 08:59.11 | tinctorius | or so it seems |
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| 09:00.01 | tinctorius | whenever a wx application tries to make an OpenGL window, it dies on a locking assertion in XCB |
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| 09:00.14 | tinctorius | does anyone know where to file a bug on about that? |
| 09:00.51 | tinctorius | (Note: glxgears works for me, the non-wx version works too, and the wx version used to work not too long ago) |
| 09:01.02 | Spida | tinctorius: when did that change? |
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| 09:01.16 | tinctorius | I guess somewhere last week or so |
| 09:01.28 | tinctorius | or maybe two weeks ago |
| 09:01.29 | hoxu | testing or unstable? |
| 09:01.31 | tinctorius | looks it up |
| 09:01.33 | tinctorius | testing |
| 09:01.41 | hoxu | !reportbug |
| 09:01.42 | dpkg | somebody said reportbug was used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting Ask me about <report-bugs>. |
| 09:01.53 | tinctorius | I know, but which package? :P |
| 09:02.09 | hoxu | hmm |
| 09:02.11 | tinctorius | I can't quite put my finger on it =/ |
| 09:02.28 | hoxu | I'm not familiar with wx packages, but some of those I'd guess... |
| 09:02.45 | tinctorius | but it could also be GTK, used by wx |
| 09:03.08 | hoxu | you could check dpkg.log to see if it hints what upgrade broke it |
| 09:03.25 | tinctorius | I could, and will now. |
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| 09:04.34 | internat1 | !ubuntu |
| 09:04.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:04.38 | dondelelcaro | tinctorius: it'd be good if you tried downgrading the wx package and/or libmesa or whatever too to figure out what it is, and which version broke things |
| 09:05.01 | dondelelcaro | tinctorius: all of that will help you both figure out the right package, and enable someone to actually find and fix the problem |
| 09:05.19 | ilaiho | hi! |
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| 09:06.46 | tinctorius | Another problem with reporting that bug: the application that doesn't work for me is Dolphin, whose current SVN revision won't build in Linux. I've patched it, but isn't it a bit weird to give an already 'broken' example? |
| 09:07.11 | tinctorius | Also, the FTBFS problems are relatively trivial and aren't related to the interface :P |
| 09:07.14 | ilaiho | there is a bugfix of ktechlab uploaded to mentors.debian.net: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=493692 |
| 09:07.43 | ilaiho | could someone explain what this exactly means? |
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| 09:08.31 | DimmuR | i've tar.bz2 file with full path like /home/user how can i extract it into current directory? in man i found only options for absolute paths :( |
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| 09:09.46 | hoxu | DimmuR, default is to strip leading '/' when extracting, -P will invert that behaviour |
| 09:09.54 | tinctorius | Ugh... I can't remember when it did work, and find any relevant entries in dpkg.log :P |
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| 09:10.47 | DimmuR | oh thanks hoxu |
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| 09:18.47 | tinctorius | Hmm... it seems there was an NMU of libgtkwx2.8-0, but the changes seem irrelevant. |
| 09:19.14 | tinctorius | err, libwxgtk2.8 |
| 09:22.04 | tinctorius | but it doesn't make sense |
| 09:22.17 | tinctorius | 2008-12-31 20:15:48 upgrade libwxgtk2.8-0 2.8.7.1-1.1 2.8.7.1-1.1 |
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| 09:22.28 | Sifre | hi all.. |
| 09:22.33 | tinctorius | what's the format? upgrade <package> <old version> <new version>? |
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| 09:27.16 | Sifre | how to install lamp/apache,phpmyadmin,msql,perl? |
| 09:27.25 | Sifre | in vps ý dont know. |
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| 09:29.41 | simonrvn | aptitude install foo bar baz maybe .... |
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| 09:39.33 | boodie | Hi - my konqueror freezes regularly (this doesn't happen with firefox); problem is, the help btn in the KDE apps launches konq by default |
| 09:40.01 | nsadmin | it's looking like I need 2.6.28 for my laptop |
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| 09:41.26 | Sebboh- | hi. My ssh session died, on the client end, anyway. A long-running process seems to still be running, good. Uh, can I attach it somewhere so that it doesn't die? I kinda think that the client just had a shorter timeout than the server, so it's *about* to get a HUP. |
| 09:41.40 | flokuehn | boodie: have you tried using ips instead of url for konqueror? |
| 09:42.04 | themill | Sebboh-: did you run it within screen? |
| 09:42.30 | boodie | what is ips? |
| 09:42.36 | flokuehn | ip adress |
| 09:42.38 | flokuehn | ? |
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| 09:44.00 | boodie | Ah, you mean the numbers |
| 09:44.17 | flokuehn | boodie: yeah, the numbers. |
| 09:44.28 | Sebboh- | themill, nope. Of course not. :P |
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| 09:44.52 | flokuehn | boodie: like 209.85.171.100 for google.com |
| 09:44.56 | themill | Sebboh-: no way that I know of then. |
| 09:45.03 | vor_ | Sebboh-: so the app should be killed by ssh |
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| 09:45.35 | Sebboh- | it's still running. I can't tag it with NOHUP or something? |
| 09:46.03 | Sebboh- | I don't need to regain control of that session, I just don't want it to get killed. |
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| 09:47.12 | vor_ | Sebboh-: if you started it in the ssh sation it should be killed with the end of that! |
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| 09:48.34 | vor_ | Sebboh-: if it was not it das not look good, maybe it was running befor? |
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| 09:50.28 | Sebboh- | vor_ as I said, I think, but am not sure, that the ssh session is waiting to time out on the server end, but already timed out/was killed on the client end. The network interface was brought down on the client end. I imagine that the server won't realize that for a while. |
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| 09:51.23 | maverick | having some problem with iceweasel and java applet ... |
| 09:51.36 | maverick | they load to slow |
| 09:51.53 | vor_ | Sebboh-: got that if you did not use screen I do not think you can re-attach to sshd on the server |
| 09:51.54 | maverick | anyone with the same problem ? |
| 09:51.58 | Sebboh- | "too slowly" and it's probably the applet's fault. |
| 09:52.18 | Sebboh- | vor, yeah. |
| 09:52.26 | maverick | sebboh : no. in other browsers it's ok |
| 09:53.26 | pif | hi, how do I get querybts to output as text, not ncurses ? |
| 09:54.27 | enouf | maverick: try creating a ~/.mozilla{.firefox,.iceweasel}/plugins dir and cp your lib{java,flash}plugin.so into it from wherever, usually /usr/lib/{appname}/plugins/ ? |
| 09:54.44 | maverick | ok |
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| 09:55.09 | pif | maverick: install icedtea6-plugin |
| 09:55.39 | enouf | maverick: also run maybe update-java-alternatives? |
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| 09:56.00 | Sebboh- | maverick, I'm a big fan of about:plugins ... Dunno if it will help you. But it might provide some insight. I'm also a fan of Sun java, as opposed to GNU java.. I dunno which you're using. |
| 09:56.16 | TwistOfFate` | what's that debian script/program for managing inetd.conf |
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| 09:56.57 | boodie | How do I find the PID of a frozen program, so I can kill it via console? |
| 09:57.15 | TwistOfFate` | ps aux |
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| 09:57.47 | maverick | sebboh: about:plugin gives me |
| 09:57.57 | boodie | top shows me a limited amount on 1 page & I don't know how to display more |
| 09:57.57 | moodhugs | wow, i upgraded to lenny, everything looks different now ;p |
| 09:58.09 | maverick | File name: libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 09:58.10 | TwistOfFate` | boodie |
| 09:58.11 | TwistOfFate` | i told you |
| 09:58.12 | TwistOfFate` | ps aux |
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| 09:59.13 | enouf | TwistOfFate`: usually openbsd-inetd ? |
| 09:59.41 | TwistOfFate` | enouf |
| 09:59.44 | enouf | TwistOfFate`: ls -l /etc/init.d/*netd* |
| 09:59.44 | TwistOfFate` | i thought there was a program |
| 09:59.51 | enouf | program? |
| 09:59.56 | boodie | Ok fine - thanks |
| 10:00.00 | TwistOfFate` | yeah to manage entries in inetd.conf |
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| 10:00.21 | enouf | oh - well, might be a dpkg-reconfigure option, install configure-debian pkg and see |
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| 10:01.03 | enouf | boodie? |
| 10:01.44 | enouf | TwistOfFate`: you scared off boodie, you weenie, and ps aux is not top .. tell them htop next time |
| 10:02.14 | enouf | and man top, and sort via mem, cpu, whatever |
| 10:04.21 | enouf | and to answer boodie's 1st questions, pgrep and pidof |
| 10:04.58 | nuunuu | How do i configure xorg? I've got viewsonic va902 monitor, and I can't set refresh rate higher than 51Hz. Xorg wiki knows xorgconfig and xorgcfg, but they're not included and i couldn't find from packages? |
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| 10:05.48 | enouf | nuunuu: etch? |
| 10:05.51 | nuunuu | lenny |
| 10:05.57 | cahoot | nuunuu: might try gtf to create a modeline |
| 10:06.01 | enouf | nuunuu: edit xorg.conf via hand |
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| 10:06.16 | enouf | nuunuu: add Vert Hor rates - man xorg.conf |
| 10:06.35 | enouf | and cvt as well |
| 10:06.43 | nuunuu | thanks both. |
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| 10:07.19 | SI{R}IUS | hi all |
| 10:07.42 | nuunuu | just curious, if someone knows. Why aren't xorgcfg and xorgconfig included? |
| 10:08.05 | cahoot | nuunuu: xorg is supposed to autoconfig |
| 10:08.06 | nuunuu | or didn't i just find them? =) |
| 10:08.12 | enouf | they never were, drxx was the older debian way - but there's dexconf, and Xorg -configure, but leave those last two alone |
| 10:08.19 | enouf | !drxx |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with <xrandr>. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template. |
| 10:08.39 | peleg | I am not sure if it's a debian question, but maybe: how much should I pay (in European/American terms) for someone to take an empty debian box and install a complete webserver on it? (apache, database, php, postfix, etc.) -- or, how much time should it take for an expereinced worker? |
| 10:08.43 | enouf | nuunuu: oh yeah, learn about xrandr /msg dpkg dual monitors |
| 10:10.02 | enouf | peleg: empty, as in no OS yet installed? |
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| 10:10.14 | peleg | enouf, OS installed. |
| 10:10.29 | peleg | etch |
| 10:10.40 | pif | peleg: with testing and all, 2 hours |
| 10:11.24 | enouf | well .. what about finding things and sorting those things, that certainly will affect whatever other services you install, such as those you describe? |
| 10:11.38 | enouf | crap .. that sounded weird |
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| 10:11.58 | peleg | pif, thanks. Last time, which was my first time, it took me 3 days, without too many testing, but including mailman+exim, which was a pain in the ***. I hope that next time it'll be faster, then :) |
| 10:12.03 | enouf | IOW, suppose right now you have issues, or mixes of versions, or whatever ... |
| 10:12.06 | pif | /dev/sleep < enouf |
| 10:12.20 | enouf | !coffee me |
| 10:12.20 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade Colombian for enouf, courtesy of enouf |
| 10:12.44 | themill | peleg: depends on what you want done... e.g. how complicated your requirements are for postfix and apache |
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| 10:13.04 | enouf | peleg: you said experienced worker, which presumes experience setting up Debian |
| 10:13.25 | enouf | in my estimation anyway |
| 10:13.49 | nuunuu | are the xorg configuration thingies the same as which was with xfree? |
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| 10:14.00 | peleg | themill, simple. mailman running with exim (or postfix -- I gave up on postfix last time, since I couldn't make it work with mailman...), and the webserver should run with PHP and Python modules and with MySQL and postgre, and that's about it. nothing terribly complicated. |
| 10:14.08 | enouf | if the guy/gal is an experienced person, but with Microsoft Visual Basic, you might have some issues :-P |
| 10:14.11 | peleg | enouf, sure, I wanted to compare myself to the top ;) |
| 10:14.43 | enouf | nuunuu: mostly .. naturally, things change |
| 10:14.52 | enouf | nuunuu: hence, man pages :-) |
| 10:14.52 | nuunuu | *grits teeth* |
| 10:15.08 | enouf | and changelogs, and the like |
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| 10:15.43 | enouf | nuunuu: xfree86 went away with sarge, iinm - so you need to brush up homey :-p |
| 10:16.08 | pif | setting up a listserv might involve more tuning, 3 hours |
| 10:16.11 | peleg | So my hope is that I will be able to make it in 8 hours next time. Anyway, I can't take money for more than that, it will be ridiculous if it can be done in 2 hours... |
| 10:16.28 | themill | peleg: an hour to bolt it together and another couple to tweak it. I'd normally leave myself either half a day or an evening to do that sort of thing in case extra things cropped up. |
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| 10:16.48 | enouf | themill: and they always do ;-) |
| 10:16.53 | themill | yep |
| 10:16.59 | peleg | themill, thank you very much for your estimations. enouf, pif: thanks |
| 10:16.59 | debian_n00b | apt-get update is not working.........help! |
| 10:17.06 | pif | like a mail loop |
| 10:17.17 | themill | If I had to frig with spam scanning too then that would take more time. |
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| 10:18.28 | debian_n00b | can anybody help me with apt-get update? |
| 10:18.52 | datacrusher | [debian_n00b]: have u tryed sudo apt-get? |
| 10:18.58 | SI{R}IUS | xD |
| 10:19.30 | debian_n00b | datacrusher: no |
| 10:19.43 | datacrusher | [debian_n00b]: ok. do that |
| 10:19.51 | themill | datacrusher: have you installed sudo on his machine? |
| 10:19.59 | datacrusher | and read some about apt-get and debian itself |
| 10:20.03 | debian_n00b | i ran apt-get update in super user mode |
| 10:20.18 | debian_n00b | i gave a mirror also |
| 10:20.30 | debian_n00b | a week earkier it used to work |
| 10:20.38 | debian_n00b | but now no mirror is working |
| 10:20.42 | themill | debian_n00b: can you pastebin the command you gave and the entire output for us? |
| 10:20.45 | themill | !pastebin |
| 10:20.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:20.47 | enouf | !tell debian_n00b -about grounding |
| 10:21.00 | debian_n00b | ok |
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| 10:26.19 | mker | Does anyone use disk encryption? I'd like to hear if (or how much) it slows down your system. I'm using an Intel Core2Duo4500 @ 2.20 Ghz. Would I for example be able to use bittorrent at 10mb/s (both up and down full speed) while watching an HD movie in x264? Is it the hard drive that gets to do more work or just the cpu? |
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| 10:27.02 | debian_n00b | themill:see my pastebin |
| 10:27.19 | tinctorius | I'm not sure, but I'd guess it only really impacts the CPU. |
| 10:27.32 | themill | debian_n00b: only if you tell me the URL of the paste... |
| 10:27.44 | debian_n00b | http://paste.debian.net/25350/ |
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| 10:29.02 | debian_n00b | themill:saw it? |
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| 10:30.38 | enouf | mker: IIUC, disk encryption also is a sort of COW (copy on write) where two copies are mounted, one ro, and one rw, then changes are written back at a later time - and concerning CPU usage, yes encryption impacts the CPU - so both will take hits, IME |
| 10:31.30 | enouf | or .. the original encryption is copied, then mounted (not that there are two mounts, but perhaps - not sure) |
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| 10:31.52 | debian_n00b | themill:saw it? |
| 10:32.04 | themill | debian_n00b: your sources.list seems weird. Can you pastebin that along with the output of "apt-cache policy" for me too? |
| 10:32.04 | debian_n00b | themill:understood anything? |
| 10:32.15 | debian_n00b | ok |
| 10:32.17 | debian_n00b | no prob |
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| 10:32.44 | mike__ | hey can anyoen help me get my usb soundcard working? |
| 10:33.20 | jair | hello guys there is a channel for debian in japanese? |
| 10:33.33 | jair | or for japanese people? |
| 10:33.52 | mker | enouf, I've seen some benchmarks on Phoronix and it doesn't seem like it will slow down the system too much (I think it was 7% when doing gzip on some file). Do you use it yourself? |
| 10:33.53 | cahoot | mike__: plug it in and run cat /proc/asound/cards - is it listed? |
| 10:34.14 | mike__ | kk lemme see |
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| 10:34.53 | mike__ | yeah its listed |
| 10:35.02 | cahoot | what number? |
| 10:35.06 | debian_n00b | themill:http://paste.debian.net/25352/ |
| 10:35.09 | mike__ | 1 |
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| 10:35.44 | themill | debian_n00b: ahh... those lines in your sources.list are nonsense. |
| 10:35.48 | mike__ | it list my bad soundcard first though |
| 10:35.50 | themill | dpkg: tell debian_n00b about sources.list |
| 10:36.04 | cahoot | mike__: run asoundconf and choose the default |
| 10:36.05 | themill | debian_n00b: you also don't want "sid" in your sources.list. |
| 10:36.22 | themill | debian_n00b: What's the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" ? |
| 10:36.41 | debian_n00b | ill tell u |
| 10:37.19 | mike__ | cahoot: what now |
| 10:37.20 | enouf | mker: no, not personally - there are those here, and others on irc.debian.org #debian that do though |
| 10:37.34 | cahoot | mike__: set the usb as default? |
| 10:37.45 | cahoot | mike__: try speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 10:37.56 | enouf | mker: erm, not necessarily Phoronix, but LUKs and dmcrypt and friends |
| 10:38.06 | mike__ | well i just put the number 1 in figured it was going by card number |
| 10:38.08 | debian_n00b | themill:http://paste.debian.net/25353/ |
| 10:38.12 | mike__ | do i have to give a ful dev name? |
| 10:38.31 | cahoot | mike__: asoundconf --list-cards (or such) |
| 10:38.35 | mike__ | ok that worked |
| 10:38.51 | mike__ | now its still not workng through my browser |
| 10:39.09 | debian_n00b | themill:saw it? |
| 10:39.10 | mker | enouf, ok, thanks for the info you've given anyway! the COW thing does seem like it would put some more stress on the hd. |
| 10:39.52 | mike__ | cahoot: the test worked lol now i just have to find out how to make sound work on my web browser |
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| 10:40.52 | enouf | mker: please look into how that all works, i'm almost sure i've read somethings and understood it as such, i can't be certain, and my bookmarked links aren't helping atm |
| 10:41.01 | themill | debian_n00b: You seem to be running either sid or a lenny/sid mix at the moment. Sid is not recommended for new debian users at all... it isn't really designed for people to use at all. What did you originally install and what have you done since? |
| 10:42.02 | debian_n00b | themill:i installed sid and i did that on friday |
| 10:42.10 | themill | how? |
| 10:42.27 | debian_n00b | what do u mean how? |
| 10:42.42 | themill | Debian doesn't release an installer for sid. |
| 10:43.03 | debian_n00b | the maybe its lenny |
| 10:43.23 | mike__ | ok so now i have sound out of the terminal lol how do i get it to work on everything else? |
| 10:43.49 | debian_n00b | themill:so what now? |
| 10:43.55 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 10:43.55 | dpkg | it has been said that speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
| 10:43.58 | cahoot | mike__: you now have a working alsa set up - make your apps output to alsa |
| 10:44.06 | mike__ | i tried |
| 10:44.20 | mike__ | when i try to do a media speaker test through that it tells me alsa is unavailable or busy ? |
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| 10:44.48 | cahoot | mike__: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - any output? |
| 10:45.15 | themill | debian_n00b: my suggestion is that you change your sources.list to (a) include only lenny (b) include correct syntax for each line and (c) include a line for security updates. /msg dpkg sources.list ; /msg dpkg lenny security |
| 10:45.24 | mike__ | /dev/dsp: mike 3747 F.... esd |
| 10:45.32 | themill | !esd |
| 10:45.32 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
| 10:45.35 | mike__ | thats the output on the command |
| 10:45.37 | cahoot | mike__: there's your problem |
| 10:45.45 | mike__ | ok how do i fix it haha |
| 10:45.54 | cahoot | mike__: disable esd and kill the running instance |
| 10:46.07 | mike__ | lol im kinda new lol =P |
| 10:46.07 | cahoot | mike__: gnome? |
| 10:46.11 | mike__ | yeah |
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| 10:46.27 | cahoot | mike__: syste->sound ... |
| 10:46.47 | debian_n00b | themill:ok ill try |
| 10:47.11 | themill | debian_n00b: something like http://paste.debian.net/25354/ is possibly correct for your mirrors |
| 10:47.34 | mike__ | ok so ive killed esd with the kill command haha no more out put on the last command |
| 10:47.55 | cahoot | mike__: system->prefs->sound->esd |
| 10:48.16 | mike__ | diabled |
| 10:48.19 | debian_n00b | themill:ok |
| 10:48.32 | enouf | and also, system ->prefernces->preferred applications? |
| 10:48.50 | cahoot | mike__: run two instances of speaker-test -t wav -c 2 |
| 10:49.11 | enouf | i love these windows->like->gui->pointers .. how fun |
| 10:49.11 | mike__ | ok |
| 10:49.26 | debian_n00b | themill:will this work:http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free? |
| 10:49.41 | mike__ | ok im not hearing anything anymore? |
| 10:49.50 | themill | debian_n00b: no. Please read the man page for the correct syntax. |
| 10:49.54 | cahoot | hmmpmh |
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| 10:50.12 | debian_n00b | themill:what do you use? |
| 10:50.29 | enouf | debian_n00b: /msg dpkg sources.list and /msg dpkg security |
| 10:50.39 | themill | debian_n00b: did you look at the pastebin I just gave you? |
| 10:50.54 | cahoot | mike__: try (as root) alsa force-reload |
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| 10:51.11 | debian_n00b | themill:no |
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| 10:51.18 | enouf | ... |
| 10:51.19 | debian_n00b | themill:url please |
| 10:51.23 | themill | *sigh* |
| 10:51.32 | enouf | debian_n00b: get a grip man |
| 10:51.40 | themill | debian_n00b: [10:47] <themill> debian_n00b: something like http://paste.debian.net/25354/ is possibly correct for your mirrors |
| 10:51.44 | mike__ | says command not found? |
| 10:52.01 | mike__ | but hey i got sound again i went and reset the sound card as my default |
| 10:52.05 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:52.12 | mike__ | but still none in the browser |
| 10:52.30 | debian_n00b | themill:ok thanks ill try that |
| 10:52.39 | enouf | Agiofws: why do you always do that? i like to say hello sometimes, but imagine if everyone did that :-P |
| 10:53.14 | enouf | Agiofws: is that your form of !test to see if you're connected and it's working properly? |
| 10:54.03 | Agiofws | nah i just like to greet sometimes |
| 10:57.32 | mike__ | cahoot: you as stumped as i am ? |
| 10:57.35 | enouf | Agiofws: ok - nm then - got a debian question? :-P |
| 10:57.45 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:57.47 | enouf | mike__: ubuntu? |
| 10:57.52 | cahoot | mike__: about what? |
| 10:58.03 | mike__ | cahoot: my card still refusing to work haha |
| 10:58.10 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:58.22 | enouf | mike__: as root; which alsaconf |
| 10:58.22 | cahoot | mike__: last I saw it did work |
| 10:58.27 | mike__ | cahoot: it told me the last command you gave me wasnt vlid? |
| 10:58.39 | assasukasse | Lagbolt: hello |
| 10:58.46 | debian_n00b | themill:thanks a lot it worked |
| 10:58.51 | enouf | cahoot: alsactl force-reload? |
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| 10:59.03 | cahoot | no alsa force-reload |
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| 10:59.17 | bazyl | hello everybody! |
| 10:59.19 | enouf | ok |
| 10:59.30 | mike__ | yeah i ran that as root said it was invalid? |
| 10:59.44 | enouf | ran what - do what i asked please |
| 10:59.44 | bazyl | how are your systems today? ;) |
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| 10:59.50 | cahoot | mike__: you say you run lenny? |
| 11:00.08 | themill | no worries. You might like to run "aptitude full-upgrade" and then "/msg dpkg obsolete" to make sure there's nothing in that section. |
| 11:00.09 | mike__ | cahoot: um im the newest release so what ever that is |
| 11:00.17 | enouf | ... |
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| 11:02.44 | debian_n00b | themill:but now if im selecting a package 4 installing in synaptic,its showin that many packages will have to be removed |
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| 11:04.00 | debian_n00b | themill:wats da prob now? |
| 11:04.02 | enouf | debian_n00b: /msg dpkg dist-upgrade |
| 11:04.11 | mike__ | cahoot: should i restart to see if it makes a difference? |
| 11:04.26 | Lagbolt | assasukasse, hi |
| 11:04.40 | themill | debian_n00b: did you run the full-upgrade as I suggested? |
| 11:04.44 | debian_n00b | no |
| 11:04.49 | themill | ... |
| 11:05.12 | debian_n00b | aptitude full-upgrade? |
| 11:05.14 | cahoot | mike__: shouldn't really need reboot for sound |
| 11:05.16 | bazyl | my dvdrw died, wodim --devices shows 0 found - anybody can give me any clue? |
| 11:05.30 | themill | debian_n00b: yes. Exit synaptic first. |
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| 11:05.41 | debian_n00b | themill:i already did |
| 11:06.28 | mike__ | cahoot: hmm i dont know then, the terminal gets sound but when i go anywhere else i get nothing even under the multimedia system selector when put it on alsa and have it test i get nothing |
| 11:06.40 | enouf | bazyl: er wodim -scanbus |
| 11:06.50 | debian_n00b | themill:upgrading........ |
| 11:07.26 | bazyl | enouf: nothing :( only shows disks |
| 11:07.28 | cahoot | mike__: "when i go anywhere else " == no sound from youtube? |
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| 11:07.36 | enouf | bazyl: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info | grep 'drive name' |
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| 11:08.11 | mike__ | cahoot: no system sound either liek i said i did a sound test through the multimedia system selector and got nothing aswell |
| 11:08.20 | enouf | bazyl: when you say it died? what exactly happened? |
| 11:08.22 | mike__ | cahoot: but yes i tried youtube first =P |
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| 11:08.49 | cahoot | mike__: relief from 'system sounds' is a consequence of disabling esd |
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| 11:09.10 | mike__ | cahoot: oh ok well yeah no sound from youtube then hahah |
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| 11:10.25 | bazyl | enouf: few day ago, before was working fine |
| 11:10.44 | kestutis | anyone knows better player than bmpx? |
| 11:10.47 | cahoot | mike__: but any real sound app (like mplayer) is ok? |
| 11:10.59 | bazyl | enouf: there is no info about driver in /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 11:11.07 | mike__ | cahoot: i could check but i have no music on thsi comp yet its a fresh install |
| 11:11.10 | cahoot | mike__: if so - I'd blame flash |
| 11:11.16 | debian_n00b | kestutis:vlc |
| 11:11.23 | enouf | bazyl: grep ATAPI /var/log/dmesg |
| 11:11.47 | enouf | bazyl: cat /proc/version |
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| 11:12.01 | enouf | bazyl: use a pastebin if more than 1 line |
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| 11:12.10 | bazyl | enouf: ata2.00: ATAPI, max UDMA/33 |
| 11:12.22 | enouf | no |
| 11:12.48 | enouf | [ 9.744203] hda: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 11:12.49 | mike__ | cahoot: yeah flash was a pain to get working lemme see if got any cds laying around and ill get back to you on my mp3 playback |
| 11:12.54 | bazyl | enouf: Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 |
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| 11:13.45 | enouf | bazyl: upgrade your kernel - /msg dpkg security ; apt-get update ; apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:13.49 | DimmuR | any chances for python 2.6 in debian soon? |
| 11:13.59 | bazyl | enouf: Vendor: TSSTcorp Model: CD/DVDW SH-S183A Rev: SB02 |
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| 11:14.09 | mike__ | cahoot: no sound from totem |
| 11:14.32 | themill | enouf: what's the betting there's a vulnerable ssh package on that machine too |
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| 11:14.51 | bazyl | enouf: thanx |
| 11:14.54 | olspookishmagus | how can I recover from the debian-multimedia repository? it brokes so many stuff... simply removing the repository and updating and dist-upgrading again? |
| 11:15.06 | enouf | bazyl: that kernel (your -4-686 version) has vulnerabilities, and you should grab a .24 kernel |
| 11:15.15 | enouf | themill: indeed |
| 11:15.17 | themill | DimmuR: not until at least after lenny releases |
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| 11:15.36 | mike__ | cahoot: coudl ti be a problem with alsa? |
| 11:15.48 | cahoot | mike got mplayer? |
| 11:15.55 | enouf | bazyl: /msg dpkg dsa1576 and /msg dpkg 1571 |
| 11:15.55 | mike__ | no should i get it ? |
| 11:15.55 | themill | dpkg: tell olspookishmagus about obsolete |
| 11:15.58 | enouf | er |
| 11:16.02 | enouf | bazyl: /msg dpkg dsa1576 and /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 11:16.36 | themill | olspookishmagus: but dmm shouldn't break anything... many of us use it. If it breaks something, then report it and get it fixed. Ask specific questions or /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 11:16.39 | olspookishmagus | themill: no, no it was lenny from the start |
| 11:16.46 | cahoot | mike__: can't see how you can live without it ;) |
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| 11:16.52 | bazyl | enouf: what is dsa1576 ??? |
| 11:16.59 | mike__ | kk getting it through the manager now |
| 11:17.02 | enouf | !dsa1576 |
| 11:17.02 | dpkg | New packages have been released for openssh that provide a tool to check for weak ssh keys (ask me about <ssh-vulnkey>). These packages will also offer to update your ssh server host keys if they are weak and will refuse connections from weak user keys. Be careful not to lock yourself out of a remote host when doing this upgrade. Ask me about <dsa1571> <ssl update> |
| 11:17.21 | themill | enouf: those are two numbers that I'll remember for a long time.... |
| 11:17.29 | enouf | olspookishmagus: recover from? |
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| 11:17.52 | enouf | themill: i forgot them already - had to do !listkeys :-P |
| 11:18.01 | themill | olspookishmagus: doesn't matter. removing dmm from your sources.list will still make all the packages from dmm appear in "obsolete". Read, abstract, recontextualise, apply. |
| 11:19.49 | olspookishmagus | and what about this? -> http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/vlc-conflict-debian-lenny-and-debian-multimedia/start |
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| 11:22.14 | enouf | what about it? |
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| 11:22.49 | olspookishmagus | it says there's a conflict on vlc when using lenny and dmm |
| 11:22.51 | olspookishmagus | and also I can't even play *.mid anymore (lol) |
| 11:22.56 | themill | Does anyone regularly have trouble resolving www.debian-multimedia.org or is it only me? I have trouble both at home and at work which makes me think it's not just a local configuration problem. |
| 11:23.09 | enouf | themill: i use two mirrors |
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| 11:23.21 | enouf | themill: i dont hit them often though |
| 11:23.22 | myeggo | hello |
| 11:23.34 | myeggo | what is your favourite bittorrent client? |
| 11:23.49 | themill | enouf: yeah... maybe it's a subtle attempt to get people to use mirrors... |
| 11:23.52 | enouf | themill: oh, you mean through browsing? i thought you meant through apt-get ... |
| 11:24.00 | nsadmin | the one that works and is easy to use (haven't found it yet) |
| 11:24.09 | themill | enouf: doesn't matter, it's the same resolver... |
| 11:24.16 | themill | enouf: (but both) |
| 11:24.20 | enouf | themill: resolved fast just now - i rarely visit though |
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| 11:24.58 | themill | enouf: yeah, I poked a different nameserver in to my list temporarily and that solves the problem. Odd |
| 11:25.17 | olspookishmagus | can't one see the `obsolete' packages while using command line aptitude; |
| 11:25.19 | cahoot | debian-multimedia.org.38400INNSdebian-multimedia.org |
| 11:25.26 | enouf | themill: possible sometimes you leave off the www and your browser inserts other protocols prior as tests? then finally tries to add the www ? |
| 11:25.42 | enouf | ahh .. ok |
| 11:26.00 | themill | enouf: it's a ns problem not a protocol fubar. And it happens both with and without the www prefix. |
| 11:26.13 | enouf | themill: i was thinking maybe it's cycling through all the available kioslaves prior or someshit |
| 11:26.21 | enouf | ok |
| 11:26.24 | themill | kio? not here. |
| 11:26.31 | enouf | haha .. really? |
| 11:26.35 | themill | (not for browsing at least) |
| 11:26.38 | Eulex | enouf, 'protocols'? www may be a subdomain. |
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| 11:26.40 | enouf | well .. |
| 11:26.48 | mike__ | cahoot: no sound through mplayer |
| 11:27.07 | enouf | Eulex: aye - though i did mean fish:/ , gopher:/, file:/ and the like |
| 11:27.27 | cahoot | mike__: run asoundconf again |
| 11:28.16 | Eulex | enouf, yeah, but browsers usually just test http:// |
| 11:28.33 | mike__ | cahoot: which command ? |
| 11:28.54 | enouf | Eulex: themill want to see something strange? try resolving lbs.sf.net (errors out) .. then try lbs.sourceforge.net (works) but, all other sf.net parts i can use .sf.net effectively, just that one doesn't |
| 11:28.56 | mike__ | cahoot: want me to set it to default or check the list lol |
| 11:29.03 | enouf | Eulex: yeah .. |
| 11:29.16 | themill | enouf: that would be the normal pita-ness or sf.net at work :( |
| 11:29.26 | enouf | figures |
| 11:29.30 | cahoot | mike__: run asoundconf list |
| 11:29.44 | Eulex | enouf, lbs.sf.net works well here. you could try swapping out your name servers for the opendns ones. |
| 11:29.45 | mike__ | it just says |
| 11:30.03 | enouf | hrm .. let me try now, maybe they fixed it Eulex ;-) |
| 11:30.03 | mike__ | Names of available sound cards: |
| 11:30.15 | mike__ | but doesnt give any cards lol |
| 11:30.20 | enouf | Eulex: it works now! here |
| 11:30.23 | cahoot | mike__: (as root) modprobe snd-usb-audio |
| 11:30.24 | Eulex | :) |
| 11:30.28 | enouf | Eulex: they fixed it :-P |
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| 11:30.35 | Eulex | apparently |
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| 11:30.45 | mike__ | kk what now? |
| 11:30.45 | enouf | Eulex: i wasn't making this up ;-) |
| 11:30.50 | cahoot | mike__: run asoundconf list |
| 11:30.58 | mike__ | still nothing |
| 11:31.00 | enouf | Eulex: only reality could be so strange :-P |
| 11:31.10 | ChrisW | you guys as aggressive to people seeking eeepc/xandros help as you are to those seeking ubuntu help? |
| 11:31.12 | Tapout | Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "XML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 90. |
| 11:31.15 | Tapout | anyone know why that is ? |
| 11:31.26 | cahoot | mike__: (as root) modprobe snd-usb-audio - no rerror? |
| 11:31.37 | mike__ | cahoot: none |
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| 11:31.55 | cahoot | mike__: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:31.57 | enouf | ChrisW: for debian eeepc no, for the other, yes ;-) |
| 11:32.06 | themill | ChrisW: yes. The xandros repos are horridly set up, full of packaging mistakes and difficult to work with. Now if you were using debian on the box, none of *those* problems would exist. |
| 11:32.07 | mike__ | cahoot: it list my card there yeah |
| 11:32.13 | debiann00b | themill:it works properly now |
| 11:32.22 | cahoot | mike__: as card0 or card1? |
| 11:32.25 | themill | debiann00b: excellent. |
| 11:32.28 | Eulex | enouf, either that or your isp's name servers fixed themselves, or perhaps new nameserver settings propagated later than they should have |
| 11:32.32 | mike__ | cahoot" card 1 |
| 11:32.41 | debiann00b | themill:thanks a lot |
| 11:32.45 | themill | no worries |
| 11:32.52 | Lagbolt | ChrisW, why not switch your eeepc to debian? mine works just fine with debian. |
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| 11:33.28 | enouf | Eulex: i think i recall seeing a sourceforge error (and maybe a number, like 404), not a hang, not a timeout, not a ISP DNS issue, afaict |
| 11:33.29 | themill | Eulex: doesn't sf.net use wildcard dns anyway? |
| 11:33.33 | cahoot | mike__: mplayer -ao alsa,hw:1 |
| 11:34.13 | Eulex | enouf, ah |
| 11:34.28 | Eulex | themill, sorry, I don't know what that means |
| 11:34.31 | ChrisW | Lagbolt: 'cos it's not mine ;-) |
| 11:34.32 | enouf | Eulex: i'd see like what you see if you do http://lbsvvvv.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:34.42 | mike__ | kk |
| 11:35.03 | Eulex | enouf, ah, thought it wasn't resolving |
| 11:35.17 | enouf | Eulex: right, no worries, thanks for thoughts |
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| 11:36.06 | themill | Eulex: the dns record is just for *.sf.net. They don't enumerate each project, which means that it takes no time for things to propagate. e.g. http://eulexsnewproject.sf.net will resolve (but 404). |
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| 11:36.22 | mike__ | cahoot: when i ran that a bunch of stuff came up lol |
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| 11:37.33 | mike__ | cahoot ok i got mplayer working |
| 11:37.49 | Eulex | themill, a, nice |
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| 11:38.15 | Eulex | themill, explains why some domains can have a seemingly unlimited number of subdomains |
| 11:38.17 | cahoot | mike__: ok as I said before you have a working aksa - the config of other apps is beyond me |
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| 11:38.37 | mike__ | ok thank you |
| 11:38.45 | themill | Eulex: wildcard dns is one of those more controversial aspects of dns. You either hate it or love it. |
| 11:38.46 | mike__ | now lemme see if someone else can help me with browser sound haha |
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| 11:39.05 | themill | Eulex: it has a deserved reputation as being a great way of breaking stuff |
| 11:39.19 | Eulex | themill, hehe, ok |
| 11:39.21 | mike__ | ok cahoot has been kind enough to get music pumping through my speakers from mplayer does anyoen knwo how i could get sound from my browser working? |
| 11:39.38 | debiann00b | bye |
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| 11:41.01 | Gigantic | !high |
| 11:41.01 | dpkg | howghdy |
| 11:41.05 | picachu | hey guys, how do I do rpm -ivh package in debian analogue ? |
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| 11:41.10 | mike__ | ok ill take that as a no XD |
| 11:41.20 | picachu | i want to track dependencies, thus not installing package if dep fail |
| 11:41.23 | Gigantic | dpkg -i |
| 11:41.24 | dpkg | Gigantic: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:41.42 | Gigantic | and -Uivh works better btw |
| 11:41.47 | picachu | dpkg -i acrtually installs the package, even if dep fais |
| 11:41.47 | dpkg | installs acrtually installs the package, even if dep fais into picachu's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 11:42.26 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.26 | dpkg | installs && apt-get update && apt-get check into gigantic's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 11:42.43 | Gigantic | !ducktape dpkg |
| 11:42.52 | Gigantic | hey, who removed that factoid |
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| 11:45.51 | mike__ | cahoot: could you help me one more time? |
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| 11:46.14 | mike__ | cahhot: you seem to have the knowledge i need to try what the forum im at is telling me to try XD i just need a bit of a walk through haha |
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| 11:51.07 | flower | how can I start gnome in xnest using chroot? |
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| 11:54.30 | enouf | picachu: track? use apt-get/aptitude with the -s option |
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| 11:57.17 | bullgard4 | Is 'backtrace' a deprecated term for 'stacktrace'? |
| 11:58.00 | themill | bullgard4: are we doing your homework *again*? |
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| 11:58.47 | bullgard4 | themill: I cannot see that you are doing my homework. Come here and do dish washing. |
| 11:59.01 | themill | or are we just playing a prolonged version of twenty-questions spread over the years? |
| 11:59.32 | mike__ | hey i have a question could i not be getting sound out of my webbrowser because its trying to use my bad sound card |
| 12:00.49 | mike__ | and if so how could i blacklist my blown out intel card so alsa doesnt see it and only sees my usb audio? |
| 12:01.04 | cahoot | mike__: disable it in bios |
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| 12:01.21 | themill | if that's not possible, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:01.30 | mike__ | cahoot: im on an acer5610z very very very limited bios |
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| 12:01.57 | cahoot | see themill's msg ^^ |
| 12:02.21 | mike__ | themill: are you sayign its not possible to blacklist the intels driver so its not seen ? |
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| 12:03.20 | themill | mike__: I'm saying that it *is* possible to blacklist the intel alsa drivers so that the card is not seen. |
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| 12:03.37 | mike__ | themill: would you mind walking me through it |
| 12:03.42 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: m000sh! |
| 12:04.38 | mike__ | themill: because i have a feeling the reason im not getting sound in the browser is because its trying to use my onboard card which is bad lol |
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| 12:04.38 | mike__ | themill: unless there is a way to point my browser to see the usb card |
| 12:04.38 | funyun | is it possible to quickly delete a directory? |
| 12:04.38 | themill | mike__: umm... I'm actually at work atm (I and looked up to see your question) and I am off to a meeting in a minute... others will help though. |
| 12:04.49 | mike__ | themill:thank you anyway |
| 12:04.57 | funyun | with 100+ GB |
| 12:05.15 | themill | dpkg: tell mike__ about blacklist |
| 12:05.31 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, !!! |
| 12:05.32 | themill | mike__: follow what dpkg said... ask questions of the channel if you don't follow. |
| 12:05.55 | mike__ | ok so bassically just get the dev name |
| 12:06.02 | mike__ | and add aine to that file ? |
| 12:06.08 | mike__ | a line* |
| 12:06.08 | funyun | is it possible to quickly delete a directory with 100+ GB? |
| 12:06.15 | picachu | apt-get -s install glusterfs-client_1.3.12-1_i386.deb |
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| 12:06.18 | picachu | E: Couldn't find package glusterfs-client_1.3.12-1_i386.deb |
| 12:06.48 | ilaiho | funyun: it is not about the file size |
| 12:06.55 | ilaiho | it is about the amount of files |
| 12:06.57 | enouf | bullgard4: you have private msg turned off? |
| 12:07.04 | funyun | ilaiho: ?? |
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| 12:07.15 | funyun | ilaiho: well is there a way to do it faster? |
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| 12:07.21 | bullgard4 | enouf: No, I don't. |
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| 12:07.29 | ilaiho | funyun: I don't think so |
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| 12:07.43 | funyun | ilaiho: okay, thanks |
| 12:08.12 | ilaiho | funyun: some people say that reiserfs is faster than ext3 when handling a huge amount of small files |
| 12:08.53 | mike__ | ok so to my blacklist file ive added blacklist HDA_INTEL |
| 12:10.39 | enouf | bullgard4: well, i'm trying to pm you and i get [07:05:25] Cannot find bullgard4: on irc |
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| 12:10.59 | maurer | Hey, I've tried both Lenny and Etch+1/2, and neither seem to have drivers for my network card (chip controlling LAN is RTL 8111D), ideas? |
| 12:11.07 | bullgard4 | enouf: Hm, let me check. |
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| 12:13.11 | mike__ | gonna reboot to see if ti worked |
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| 12:14.59 | bullgard4 | enouf: I have received a PM from another nick on another channel without any problems. |
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| 12:31.52 | mycae | Im looking to install a package (alsa 10.0.17) from debian lenny testing, but I cant seem to get apt to do what I want. |
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| 12:32.36 | Eulex | !tell mycae about ssb |
| 12:32.45 | mycae | ssb? |
| 12:32.52 | Eulex | read what dpkg told you |
| 12:33.20 | Eulex | mycae, also note that the alsa kernel modules are also distributed with the kernel; you can get newer kernel modules by getting a newer kernel. |
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| 12:34.26 | cahoot | or via module-assistant? |
| 12:34.39 | enouf | mycae: see if aptitude cooperates any better |
| 12:34.50 | mycae | It is telling me it can't find it. |
| 12:35.00 | Eulex | cahoot, I was assuming that he was trying to do it that way. |
| 12:35.09 | enouf | (unless you're that mike_ nick that's really on a *buntu or other mutant variant) |
| 12:35.15 | Eulex | mycae, what exact command are you running, what output are you getting? |
| 12:35.19 | mycae | I tried to follow: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
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| 12:45.09 | Krooks | Besides being easy to extend my hd space, what other advantages does LVM give ? |
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| 12:47.23 | mycae | Eulex: http://nopaste.info/ce964d48b8_nl.html |
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| 12:48.26 | rjalves | I'm starting to pass some --parameters to mysqld when called via initscript. Is there any location where these parameters can be added or do I need to edit the initscript directly? |
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| 12:49.06 | Eulex | mycae, you do realize that alsa-base does not contain any drivers, it just contains scripts? |
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| 12:49.26 | mycae | No I did not. I assumed that it would recognise the dependency information. |
| 12:49.38 | mycae | and force an update |
| 12:49.47 | mycae | So I suppose I want alsa-driver then. |
| 12:50.05 | Eulex | mycae, also, what is "http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib testing"? there's no section named 'testing', but if you're already on lenny, you are already running testing. |
| 12:50.14 | Eulex | mycae, it would not, as alsa drivers are included with your kernel. |
| 12:50.22 | mycae | 'k |
| 12:50.49 | Eulex | mycae, you could perhaps want alsa-source and compile it with module-assistant, but you probably just want a new kernel. which one are you currently running? |
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| 12:51.09 | mycae | 2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 12:52.43 | Eulex | mycae, cat /proc/asound/version |
| 12:53.11 | mycae | Advanced Linux Sound Architcture Driver Version 1.0.16 |
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| 12:53.34 | Eulex | you want alsa-source |
| 12:53.43 | Eulex | compile the alsa drivers with m-a a-i alsa |
| 12:54.16 | Eulex | and revert the changes you did to sources.list |
| 12:54.27 | enouf | !jfgi disadvantages+using+LVM+LVM2 |
| 12:54.29 | rjalves | can anyone tell me how can I pass parameters to programs called via initscripts? |
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| 12:54.52 | Eulex | rjalves, modify the script to pass parameters to them? |
| 12:55.01 | enouf | !wayttd rjalves |
| 12:55.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rjalves? |
| 12:55.05 | rjalves | Eulex: the init script? |
| 12:55.14 | Eulex | rjalves, or achieve the same thing by modifying the config file. |
| 12:55.38 | Vity | how can i remap scroll lock key to something else? |
| 12:55.53 | rjalves | dpkg: I'm trying to add --parameters to mysqld but I was trying to avoid editing the init scripts directly |
| 12:55.53 | dpkg | rjalves: You are moron #15 |
| 12:56.17 | rjalves | enouf: I'm trying to add --parameters to mysqld but I was trying to avoid editing the init scripts directly |
| 12:56.22 | enouf | Vity: in X ? |
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| 12:56.38 | Vity | what do you mean in X? |
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| 12:56.45 | enouf | !x |
| 12:56.56 | enouf | !xorg |
| 12:56.56 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <install x> if you are using etch or newer, or <get xorg> if you are using sarge. Ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. http://wiki.x.org/ #xorg @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:57.10 | joltcan | rjalves: aren't you supposed to edit my.cnf then? |
| 12:57.50 | enouf | !keymap |
| 12:57.50 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 12:58.06 | themill | rjalves: or /etc/mysql/conf.d/*.cnf in fact |
| 12:58.12 | Vity | no. not in X. in debian :| |
| 12:58.25 | enouf | ... |
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| 12:58.31 | joltcan | :) |
| 12:58.40 | rjalves | themill: thanks |
| 12:59.17 | rjalves | joltcan: not every parameter is definable in the config file... |
| 12:59.37 | Vity | oh. i see |
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| 13:01.41 | rjalves | the reason why I'm avoiding editing init scripts is to avoid messing with them if the scripts are updated/fixed in the future |
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| 13:02.37 | enouf | dpkg: xorg is also See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.Org_Server and perhaps http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce\ |
| 13:02.37 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 13:02.42 | enouf | gah |
| 13:02.52 | rjalves | so the answer is, "there is no way to pass parameters to programs started via init scripts without editing the initscript directly" ? |
| 13:03.12 | valdyn | rjalves: sometimes theres something in /etc/default/ |
| 13:03.21 | enouf | dpkg: xorg =~ s,http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce\,http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce, |
| 13:03.21 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 13:04.14 | enouf | you could also disable the init.d script and call it directly in rc.local or bootmisc.sh using the --options you want |
| 13:04.32 | rjalves | valdyn: and if it isn't ? is there any "default" syntax for the files there or are they specific to each package/software? |
| 13:04.58 | valdyn | rjalves: is there? |
| 13:05.15 | Eulex | rjalves, can the same be achieved by modifying the config file of the program? |
| 13:05.18 | enouf | rjalves: shell scripting is pretty generic, though there are caveats, but each app will have it's own options |
| 13:05.36 | Eulex | rjalves, if so, modify the config file |
| 13:06.04 | themill | rjalves: specifically what options are you wanting to give to mysqld? |
| 13:06.54 | valdyn | rjalves: services that have nothing that is only accessible via command line option also dont have anything in /etc/default/ |
| 13:07.33 | rjalves | themill: at this point --ansi but I'm looking into this to understand how this is accomplished for most packages |
| 13:07.57 | rjalves | valdyn: I see |
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| 13:08.15 | enouf | the issue with init.d scripts is .. some other services might need app1 started/loaded before app2 runs/loads - dependent services basically |
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| 13:08.48 | themill | rjalves: you can do that through other config options, e.g. http://mysql.openmirrors.org/doc/refman/5.1/en/ansi-mode.html |
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| 13:09.04 | enouf | heh, expport LANG=C or leave it blank or LC_ALL or something |
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| 13:09.38 | mycae | Eulex; Thanks very much. I don't quite understand exactly what happened there, but I am now running alsa 1.0.17. |
| 13:09.39 | rjalves | enouf: exactly, that's why I was looking into this. |
| 13:09.42 | valdyn | rjalves: nice link, the .cnf setting is shown there too |
| 13:09.58 | rjalves | themill: aren't those starting --options ? |
| 13:10.30 | rjalves | I don't want to use the SET GLOBAL at runtime |
| 13:10.34 | Eulex | mycae, m-a a-i alsa will compile alsa kernel modules from source, and replace your current ones with the ones from alsa-source. |
| 13:10.38 | enouf | if you wanted it system-wide for all apps/users, use /etc/profile, or /etc/environement, or /etc/default/locale or something |
| 13:10.58 | Eulex | mycae, as lenny has alsa-source 1.0.17, you now have alsa drivers 1.0.17 |
| 13:10.59 | mycae | how did it know to grab from lenny testing? |
| 13:11.11 | mycae | rather than from stable? |
| 13:11.12 | Eulex | mycae, uh, you're already running lenny, right? |
| 13:11.13 | rjalves | anyway, I /etc/default is the thing I want, although not available for this particular case |
| 13:11.19 | mycae | yes. |
| 13:11.33 | Eulex | mycae, lenny is testing. |
| 13:11.39 | mycae | well I'm stupid. |
| 13:11.48 | enouf | !basics |
| 13:11.52 | mycae | I thought there was a branch of lenny. |
| 13:12.04 | valdyn | rjalves: thats silly |
| 13:12.22 | Eulex | mycae, what apt-get etc will fetch from is defined through sources.list (and some other files if you want more advanced options) |
| 13:12.24 | valdyn | rjalves: you do have .cnf stuff available to set this option |
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| 13:17.11 | solid_liq | nope |
| 13:17.13 | solid_liq | heh |
| 13:17.38 | CharminTheMoose | wow solid_liq never knew you were in this channel |
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| 13:21.24 | dios_mio | who gets "alsa underrun" error? |
| 13:21.44 | nsadmin | so I'm looking for total guesses... if you guess and you're wrong, my cat will -not- die (especially since I have no cat)... so I'm trying to get 2.6.28 going on an etch, and I'm looking for others who have done it on lenny, or etch, or people who may have seen people talk about it... as to why, I'll get to that... for now, I'll just say my sound hardware needs it |
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| 13:23.57 | Shiggity | Hey all |
| 13:24.00 | Shiggity | I have a question |
| 13:24.13 | Vity | i dont have an answer to it |
| 13:24.14 | nsadmin | any ideas as to what should be upgraded to support the new kernel? |
| 13:24.20 | Shiggity | about Debian-Installer Loader |
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| 13:24.26 | Eulex | nsadmin, would newer alsa modules do instead of having 2.6.28? |
| 13:24.40 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 13:24.48 | nsadmin | that would certainly help |
| 13:24.59 | Shiggity | I'm at the point where I can restart and start the install |
| 13:25.22 | Shiggity | my concern is that this is MacBook with an OS X partition and a Boot Camped Windows XP partition. |
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| 13:25.29 | nsadmin | but I'm also given to understand that some scheduling features of .28 are attractive for pro sound applications |
| 13:25.31 | Eulex | nsadmin, testing and unstable have alsa-source 1.0.17, and experimental has 1.0.18 |
| 13:25.45 | Shiggity | I'm worried that if I go through with this my OS X partition could be altered, or even worse formatted |
| 13:25.52 | Shiggity | do I have anything to worry about? |
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| 13:26.09 | Eulex | nsadmin, you could try out new kernel modules with 2.6.26, then if it doesn't work try 2.6.28 |
| 13:26.13 | Shiggity | anyone? |
| 13:26.19 | nsadmin | know what linux calls your osx partition |
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| 13:26.41 | Shiggity | Would I risk messing up my OS X installaton? |
| 13:26.57 | nsadmin | sure there's always going to be a risk of some size |
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| 13:27.21 | Shiggity | ... |
| 13:27.38 | bolt-work | You should have a backup of that anyway. Never trust a laptop's harddrive. Nor any other harddrive, for that matter, but especially not laptop drives. |
| 13:27.54 | nsadmin | I don't recognize ... as a communication... want to be specific? |
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| 13:28.21 | Shiggity | The video on goodbye-windows.com shows the process of how you restart and then you can boot to XP again or boot the Debian installer |
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| 13:28.35 | Shiggity | Will that touch my OS X HFS+ partition? |
| 13:28.50 | Shiggity | goodbye-microsoft |
| 13:28.51 | Shiggity | w/e |
| 13:28.54 | bolt-work | No, but you might, during the installation |
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| 13:29.26 | nsadmin | see how far you can get into the installer before you alter anything |
| 13:29.26 | themill | Shiggity: try asking again in one single line without hitting enter after every few words. When your question gets spread out and interspersed amongst everyone elses lines, people just won't bother. |
| 13:29.26 | nsadmin | see what you can learn |
| 13:29.26 | mker | Shiggity, just make sure you don't do any changes to your os x partition. |
| 13:29.40 | bolt-work | And take a backup |
| 13:29.45 | Shiggity | yeah well won't it know HFS+ from FAT32/NTFS? |
| 13:30.04 | nsadmin | how bout this: if you do not want risk, back up all of your storage |
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| 13:30.16 | bolt-work | ... |
| 13:30.23 | nsadmin | it should... again, if you care, back up. |
| 13:30.51 | nsadmin | and make sure you know how to restore the backup |
| 13:31.30 | bolt-work | even backs up the content of his mp3 player. How the heck am I supposed to remember which selections from my music collection I like having on it :) |
| 13:31.46 | themill | !tape backup |
| 13:31.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tape backup is "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
| 13:32.10 | nsadmin | it's obvious you're worried about hurting your installation... and you're looking at going into a potentially destructive process you can't: understand, control, monitor. |
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| 13:32.36 | bolt-work | Linus has obviously never spent hours ripping his music cd's to mp3's |
| 13:32.40 | zafy | hi everyone, is there a command to list the packages that are installed on my system ? |
| 13:33.04 | bolt-work | zafy: dpkg -l |
| 13:33.07 | bolt-work | zafy: man dpkg |
| 13:33.08 | kjs | zafy: google that question |
| 13:33.11 | kjs | or man |
| 13:33.12 | kjs | yes |
| 13:33.28 | stupid2 | i search a minimalistic email system for my debian virtual server |
| 13:33.30 | zafy | bolt-work, thanks |
| 13:33.31 | nsadmin | Shiggity: look at what the installer does, don't tell it to change your storage |
| 13:33.40 | kjs | bolt-work: why rip them to mp3 |
| 13:33.55 | kjs | that takes ages ime |
| 13:34.16 | nsadmin | Shiggity: you can probably get into the partitioner and see what's already there without altering your partition table |
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| 13:34.21 | enouf | !ssmtp |
| 13:34.21 | dpkg | ssmtp is probably an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 13:34.28 | bolt-work | kjs: mp3 player. and my upload speed isn't great, so when I play music from work, for instance, i like it compressed :) |
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| 13:34.51 | Achilleus | hello, my ubuntu kernel log daemon keeps restarting showing the console "stopping kernel log daemon .. starting kernel load daemon" |
| 13:34.54 | themill | enouf: a vps may or may not have a mailhub to pass mail off to |
| 13:35.04 | kjs | Achilleus: this is #debian |
| 13:35.05 | themill | Achilleus: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:35.18 | Achilleus | oh sorry .. |
| 13:36.03 | Achilleus | kjs, themill, aren't they similar more or less ? |
| 13:36.23 | bolt-work | Achilleus: similar, not the same. #ubuntu is the place for you |
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| 13:36.30 | kjs | one is bastardized |
| 13:36.39 | Achilleus | lol |
| 13:37.00 | themill | Achilleus: not necessarily, and it's also a question of being polite and spreading the workload around. We like debian and we're volunteers here to help debian users. |
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| 13:37.45 | kjs | i just hang out in here when i should be working |
| 13:37.51 | kjs | makes me look busy |
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| 13:37.56 | Achilleus | themill, I'm sorry, I didn't mean, I open at the startup #ubuntu and #debian .. I used them both and I do like debian as the first distribution I used |
| 13:38.28 | themill | then install it and we'll help :) |
| 13:38.42 | kjs | Achilleus: congrats, but for debian stuff ask in #debain, for ubuntu ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:38.48 | kjs | simple concept :) |
| 13:38.55 | Achilleus | I used debian for servers .. and ubuntu for desktops .. I come here usually and u already helped .. thank you |
| 13:39.10 | Achilleus | but why you are angry guys ?! |
| 13:39.22 | mker | no one is angry |
| 13:39.32 | kjs | I am not angry :) |
| 13:39.37 | Achilleus | okay good |
| 13:39.39 | Achilleus | thanks again |
| 13:39.43 | themill | Achilleus: not angry... just bored with explaining again and again that ubuntu and debian are different and that there's often little we can do to help |
| 13:39.53 | kjs | I am just trying to direct you to the best possible channel for you tog et help. |
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| 13:40.09 | heimdall | is there anyone here who'd know about Broadcom BCM570x support? |
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| 13:40.33 | Achilleus | kjs, thanks, |
| 13:40.33 | kjs | heimdall: what about it ? |
| 13:40.36 | Achilleus | very much |
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| 13:41.04 | nardul | I'm a bit mysitifed. Where is the run-scripts for iptables once i've installed it? |
| 13:41.09 | nardul | where are* |
| 13:41.50 | simonrvn | there are none installed; see /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 13:42.26 | disposable | i've installed openvpn on a linux server and two windows clients. i can ping the server from each client, each client from the server but a client cannot ping the other one. i don't seem to have any errors in logs. what am i missing? |
| 13:42.41 | nsadmin | 2.6.28 sees my internal pata drive as sda |
| 13:43.10 | nsadmin | whereas before it was hda |
| 13:43.13 | nardul | simbioz, Where in that folder? |
| 13:43.42 | nardul | simbioz, All i see is nat fitlering howto. I need a script. I know how to use the iptables itself :/ |
| 13:44.00 | disposable | oops wrong channel |
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| 13:44.19 | heimdall | kjs: I seem to be unable to find support for it |
| 13:44.41 | bkw | Is it possible to use apt-get -d download only to a given patch, e.g. current dir instead of /var/cache.. ? |
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| 13:45.26 | nsadmin | !uuid |
| 13:45.27 | dpkg | uuid is probably a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
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| 13:47.45 | nardul | So there's no iptables runscript? Do i have to find one or what? |
| 13:48.13 | nsadmin | look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 13:48.25 | jelly-bile | !iptables |
| 13:48.25 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 13:48.27 | nsadmin | or if you're just trying to do a nat, look into the package ipmasq |
| 13:48.52 | nsadmin | you don't have to write a single rule yourself |
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| 13:49.14 | nardul | nsadmin, And firewall and routing and alot of other things. I'm used to just writing the rules myself, then using /etc/init.d/iptables save and voila. |
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| 13:49.47 | jelly-bile | no need for an init script, though; the rule setting can be done in interfaces(5) or nearby |
| 13:49.53 | enouf | nardul: load it using rc.local perhaps - or if-pre{up,down} |
| 13:50.30 | enouf | er, if-{pre,post}up, i guess |
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| 13:50.55 | harpal | How to know if Interface is up and running? |
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| 13:51.16 | nsadmin | if you can ping something thru it |
| 13:51.19 | enouf | jelly-bile? wt4x? |
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| 13:51.40 | harpal | nsadmin: Is there any command to do it not ping? |
| 13:51.57 | enouf | ifconfig |
| 13:52.23 | heimdall | kjs? |
| 13:52.49 | harpal | enouf: If I pull out cable than ifconfig shows the things, How can I determine Its up? |
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| 13:53.02 | enouf | don't pull the cable |
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| 13:53.32 | enouf | why not yank out your IDE connectors too while you're at it |
| 13:53.38 | enouf | maybe pluck out a DIMM |
| 13:53.46 | nsadmin | harpal: use ping |
| 13:53.49 | amphi | heh |
| 13:54.09 | nsadmin | or if you don't like ping, use fping |
| 13:54.11 | harpal | enouf: Ouch ? |
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| 13:54.33 | enouf | yes, sometimes i hurt |
| 13:54.49 | mycae | OK dumb question part 2. Alsa 1.0.17 didn't get my card working, but the changelog in 18 says it might. I compiled alsa 1.0.18a from source (OK) and installed the module, then rebooted, but it still is using the 1.0.17 module -- how to debug? |
| 13:55.09 | valdyn | mycae: you have alsa modules twice now |
| 13:55.18 | valdyn | mycae: the first scanned gets used first |
| 13:55.24 | enouf | harpal: ethtool might read differently, fore/aft |
| 13:55.38 | mycae | hmm. |
| 13:55.39 | valdyn | mycae: so move the old ones away |
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| 13:55.59 | harpal | enouf: ok, Checking that |
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| 13:56.23 | Arsenick- | Hey I need a hint here! ;) I want to get all the log for example in /var/log/cups/* but there's tarball generated by logrotate so I want to exclude those files how can I do a #tail -f /var/log/cups/ "everything but *.gz" ?? any ideas :P |
| 13:56.44 | mycae | lsmod shows a lot of modules. |
| 13:56.48 | mycae | *lsmod | grep snd |
| 13:58.15 | abrotman | Arsenick-: tail -f file1 file2 file3 ? |
| 13:58.31 | Arsenick- | yeah I know this work |
| 13:58.41 | Arsenick- | but in some case there's a lot of files.. :p |
| 13:59.37 | valdyn | Arsenick-: they all end in *log |
| 13:59.46 | Arsenick- | nop |
| 13:59.50 | Arsenick- | this is the problem |
| 13:59.56 | abrotman | tail -f $(ls /var/log/cups/* | grep -v gz) .. maybe? |
| 13:59.59 | valdyn | Arsenick-: they all end in *log or *0 in the cups case |
| 14:00.00 | Arsenick- | sometimes yes but in some case no |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | that seems dirty |
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| 14:00.17 | abrotman | waits for dirty looks from valdyn |
| 14:00.20 | Arsenick- | valdyn, this will get all the .gz isn't ? |
| 14:00.28 | Arsenick- | ho |
| 14:00.38 | themill | extglob can do it |
| 14:00.40 | nardul | I still don't understand how i run iptables without a script /: |
| 14:00.56 | Arsenick- | abrotman, yup it worked! |
| 14:00.58 | fairway | why would i use debian over macosx? |
| 14:01.07 | Arsenick- | thx |
| 14:01.12 | valdyn | !why debian |
| 14:01.12 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:01.18 | abrotman | fairway: because you get to ask us silly questions :) |
| 14:01.29 | fairway | abrotman: hehe |
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| 14:01.48 | Arsenick- | !why being human |
| 14:01.55 | Arsenick- | ;( |
| 14:01.59 | K_Sakura | fairway: Because if you walked into an Apple store and asked to have the source, they'd laugh you out of the store. |
| 14:02.19 | cahoot | Arsenick-: consider the alternative(s) |
| 14:02.19 | nsadmin | !humansmite Arsenick- |
| 14:02.23 | abrotman | fairway: it ultimately depends on your needs .. i have a macmini .. it runs Debian and OSX, but i only boot OSX to install patches |
| 14:02.58 | Arsenick- | lol |
| 14:02.59 | K_Sakura | And, you can get Debian for only the cost of a blank CD/DVD and network connection, can you get OSX that easily? |
| 14:03.23 | valdyn | K_Sakura: OSX comes for free with the hardware it runs on |
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| 14:03.29 | nsadmin | so in grub, how would I say root= (a uuid) |
| 14:03.40 | K_Sakura | And.... Upgrades? |
| 14:04.04 | abrotman | !tell nsadmin about uuid |
| 14:04.06 | enouf | nsadmin: just like that root=UUID=32131321-xxxx |
| 14:04.33 | K_Sakura | I switched to Debian in 2003 -- would Apple still let me get the latest version of OSX -- almost 6 years later? |
| 14:04.37 | enouf | nsadmin: see #kopt= line also, for future kernel installs |
| 14:04.51 | nsadmin | is the kernel required to know how to interpret that? |
| 14:05.13 | abrotman | nsadmin: are you not using a debian kernel? |
| 14:05.15 | enouf | nsadmin: i think, but effectively in debian, the code is in the initrd |
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| 14:05.31 | nsadmin | one of them is, the other one I built |
| 14:05.48 | enouf | s/effectively/in combination with kernel config options/ |
| 14:05.50 | nsadmin | but it's seeing my drives as different names in a later kernel I'm trying to boot |
| 14:06.00 | nsadmin | so I guess one way is to go to uuid |
| 14:06.32 | alcohol | debian does not run WoW :< |
| 14:06.33 | alcohol | fail |
| 14:07.00 | nsadmin | older kernels see: internal is hda, usb is sda... newer sees internal is sda, usb is sdb |
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| 14:08.20 | nsadmin | Wine Over Wabash? |
| 14:08.21 | hellues | hey |
| 14:08.29 | hellues | i am using debian java compile |
| 14:08.37 | hellues | i installed deb package of jdk |
| 14:08.40 | nsadmin | yay! |
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| 14:08.49 | hellues | how can i get infoss about that |
| 14:08.55 | enouf | nsadmin: libata |
| 14:09.00 | hellues | which channel is suitable for me |
| 14:09.13 | bolt-work | hellues: ##java? |
| 14:09.23 | nsadmin | hellues: |
| 14:09.24 | hellues | i dont know this is suitable |
| 14:09.33 | bolt-work | hellues: for what? |
| 14:09.43 | hellues | !paste |
| 14:09.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:09.53 | bolt-work | ?! |
| 14:10.24 | `fat_rat | lol |
| 14:11.15 | SlayerXP | !lol |
| 14:11.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:11.39 | nsadmin | bwahehah |
| 14:11.45 | hellues | i always get this error |
| 14:11.52 | `fat_rat | SlayerXP: ok ;] |
| 14:11.54 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/25370/ |
| 14:12.03 | hellues | when i try to use debian javac |
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| 14:12.36 | abrotman | hellues: have we told you to msg the bot yet? |
| 14:12.41 | nsadmin | show the command line you run when you get that |
| 14:12.59 | hellues | sorry i forgat that :D |
| 14:13.08 | hellues | okey wait |
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| 14:13.42 | nsadmin | abrotman he only did one :) |
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| 14:14.24 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/25371/ |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | nsadmin: he does it *every* time he joins/needs help .. he could like .. bookmark it/msg the bot |
| 14:15.16 | nsadmin | oh, repeatable :) |
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| 14:15.26 | themill | at least he doesn't paste into the channel every time... |
| 14:15.29 | pif | I've got a print driver helper binary to runs only in 32bits, what's the best way to have a 32bit environment in a 64bit box? |
| 14:15.29 | hellues | no repeat / |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | themill: he learned that quickly, hard to get help when you keep getting tossed :) |
| 14:15.55 | hellues | compile has some mistake |
| 14:15.56 | hellues | ? |
| 14:16.06 | bolt-work | hellues: this is a java problem. not a debian problem |
| 14:16.14 | hellues | but |
| 14:16.19 | hellues | this is debian package |
| 14:16.22 | bolt-work | hellues: ask ##java or read a book :) |
| 14:16.27 | nsadmin | seems like your classpath doesn't go to the curr dir |
| 14:16.39 | abrotman | or gcj is more brokener than the sun jdk |
| 14:16.39 | hellues | this code works but with debian package it doesnt work |
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| 14:16.56 | hellues | i use sun-jdk6.deb i guess |
| 14:16.59 | themill | hellues: try using the sun java package instead. |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | you're using gcj |
| 14:17.15 | themill | update-java-alternatives |
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| 14:18.26 | exmachina | is anyone here familiar with crash kernels |
| 14:18.52 | hellues | abrotman, i am using sun-java6-jdk |
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| 14:19.08 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 14:19.15 | abrotman | exmachina: they are bad! |
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| 14:19.38 | exmachina | abrotman, but it's the only way for me to get access to my /proc/vmcore |
| 14:19.50 | exmachina | i can get my crash kernel to boot in console |
| 14:19.52 | abrotman | that was a leap ... |
| 14:19.54 | exmachina | but not in X |
| 14:20.00 | themill | hellues: you aren't. See how your paste is full of "gcj"? |
| 14:20.01 | exmachina | ? |
| 14:20.08 | abrotman | exmachina: we need mroe details |
| 14:20.25 | hellues | i installed sun-java6-jdk |
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| 14:20.36 | hellues | i didnt install gcj |
| 14:20.37 | fairway | here I am |
| 14:20.56 | exmachina | abrotman, ok, I'm following the instructions in /Documentation/kdump/kdump.txt, if I have a relocatable kernel, then the CONFIG_PHYSICAL_START address doesn't matter right? |
| 14:21.33 | abrotman | exmachina: you might want #kernel .. can you repeat the kernel crash? did you check your hardware? |
| 14:21.46 | exmachina | abrotman, people in #kernel are clueless |
| 14:21.52 | exmachina | and the kernel crash is unpredictable |
| 14:22.02 | exmachina | what do you mean by "check my hardware"? |
| 14:22.12 | abrotman | heat? memory? bad HDD? |
| 14:22.17 | exmachina | heat is fine |
| 14:22.19 | exmachina | memory is fine |
| 14:22.25 | exmachina | i haven't dont badblocks yet |
| 14:22.27 | bolt-work | bad HDD is fine? :P |
| 14:22.30 | exmachina | because I don't have a live CD |
| 14:22.46 | nsadmin | would UUID=1233123123 also work/be necessary in a /boot/grub/devices.map? |
| 14:23.05 | abrotman | random crash makes me think it's hardware |
| 14:23.06 | exmachina | the main problem is that I can't boot a crash kernel in X, while in console is OK, I don't see how a bad HDD would affect that |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | exmachina: which kernel is this? |
| 14:23.24 | exmachina | abrotman, 2.6.28 |
| 14:23.35 | abrotman | not a debian kernel |
| 14:23.47 | exmachina | it was basically a vanilla kernel |
| 14:24.01 | bolt-work | basically and vanilla doesn't go together |
| 14:24.02 | nsadmin | then you need #chocolate! |
| 14:24.07 | pif | 2.6.28 works fine for me in debian |
| 14:24.08 | abrotman | does your system crash with the debian packged kernel? |
| 14:24.19 | exmachina | yes |
| 14:24.21 | abrotman | pif: that's nice, not your machine, not your config, not your crash |
| 14:24.46 | pif | oh snappy |
| 14:24.47 | nsadmin | could be hardware |
| 14:24.50 | abrotman | exmachina: also randomly? does the machine also crash randomly if you don't use X? |
| 14:24.54 | exmachina | it's been crashing with generic kernels, deb kernels, and vanilla kernels |
| 14:25.08 | exmachina | abrotman, I haven't left it on enough in console to figure that out |
| 14:25.09 | nsadmin | really could be hardware |
| 14:25.10 | pif | abrotman: just mentionning 2.6.28 is not terminally bad |
| 14:25.25 | abrotman | nope, they usually don't tend to release known bad stuff :) |
| 14:25.35 | cahoot | 2.6.8? |
| 14:25.35 | exmachina | the main problem is that I can't load a crash kernel in X |
| 14:25.43 | abrotman | exmachina: that's one step, another is a seriously long memtest |
| 14:25.51 | exmachina | abrotman, i had 3 passes in memtest |
| 14:25.59 | pif | however 2.6.28 is bad on laptops, no wakeup |
| 14:26.01 | nsadmin | or maybe a very short one |
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| 14:26.22 | nsadmin | "oh damn! look at all those hard memory errors!"\ |
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| 14:26.50 | smithster101 | hey, im trying to automount my home directorys via nfs when i login with NIS, can someone point me to a tutorial or the right line? ive been having no luck all morning |
| 14:26.50 | abrotman | exmachina: you may also want to look at something that does CPU stressing |
| 14:26.51 | fairway | q |
| 14:27.10 | exmachina | abrotman, well i can just apt-get all the packages manually and iteratively |
| 14:27.13 | abrotman | exmachina: anyways .. you'll likely need a serial console if you want to access that vmcore .. |
| 14:27.15 | exmachina | if i really need to |
| 14:27.20 | abrotman | exmachina: that's not quite the same |
| 14:27.25 | ufoman | hi |
| 14:27.27 | exmachina | abrotman, I don't have a serial cable as I'm on a laptop |
| 14:27.31 | exmachina | serial port** |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | usb->serial? |
| 14:27.39 | ufoman | how do I get history of installed package from apt? |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | doens't know if it works |
| 14:27.43 | ufoman | *s |
| 14:27.48 | exmachina | abrotman, i haven't found a guide yet |
| 14:27.52 | abrotman | ufoman: /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 14:28.04 | ufoman | abrotman: thx |
| 14:28.20 | exmachina | like I said, the main problem is with kexec not working in X |
| 14:28.25 | exmachina | I'll figure out the crash later |
| 14:28.49 | exmachina | I'm thinking that X has to first quit or somtehing |
| 14:28.55 | exmachina | before you can load up a second kernel |
| 14:29.41 | nsadmin | kernels usually start after rebooting tyhe machine |
| 14:30.02 | pif | no bios starts first |
| 14:30.07 | abrotman | nsadmin: you can replace running kernels |
| 14:30.29 | nsadmin | tell me how later :) |
| 14:30.52 | nsadmin | I'm not particularly prepared to handle that info now :) |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | nsadmin: less drinking m'kay? |
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| 14:32.51 | fairway | hi all |
| 14:33.15 | fairway | Miss-tURk[off] advertizes for free porno |
| 14:33.17 | fairway | please ban |
| 14:33.26 | fairway | on join auto-message |
| 14:33.41 | themill | abrotman, RichiH: [Baby20] is back |
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| 14:34.00 | *** kick/#debian [Miss-tURk[off]!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman] by abrotman (abrotman) |
| 14:34.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 14:34.27 | themill | thanks, abrotman (thanks for pointing it out fairway) |
| 14:34.38 | abrotman | oh jeez .. wasn't here long though |
| 14:34.58 | themill | thankfully... |
| 14:35.03 | everettz | I just got debian installed onto my eeepc. I cannot login into the gnome desktop, but can login into a terminal session using the same user / passwd. Any suggestions? |
| 14:35.13 | fairway | np |
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| 14:35.24 | nsadmin | turkoff was baby20 |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | yes, themill said that |
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| 14:36.33 | nsadmin | or that baby was present |
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| 14:38.08 | yang | how come that BitchX was dropped out of debian ? |
| 14:38.15 | amphi | !bitchx |
| 14:38.16 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained IRC client built on epic and ircII. As a Debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible. It's not as good as <irssi> and needs less moronic /quit messages. If you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, see <bitchxignore>. Abandoned by upstream, removed from Debian to resolve bug #451373. |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | !tell yang about bitchx |
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| 14:39.09 | nsadmin | I seem to be running 2.6.28 now :) |
| 14:39.13 | flokuehn | everettz: any error messages when you try to start gnome? |
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| 14:40.56 | naxis^ | hello |
| 14:41.05 | naxis^ | http://pastebin.no/129822 -> look at this one |
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| 14:41.21 | naxis^ | the first part is a getegg script, and the second part is the error |
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| 14:44.45 | nsadmin | so I'd do in /etc/fstab for example, |
| 14:44.59 | avu | naxis^, you're missing at least a ; in the second line after the ] |
| 14:45.22 | nsadmin | UUID=12233213eeeee332 /boot ext2 defaults 0 0 |
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| 14:45.31 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 14:45.33 | avu | naxis^, also, when showing us things like this, run the commands with LANG=C, so the error messages are in a language we understand :) |
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| 14:46.11 | pasteles | hi |
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| 14:46.41 | pasteles | i have a problem with dependencies when i want install kde-devel, i hava this message: |
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| 14:46.59 | pasteles | http://pastebin.com/m25ceb0b1 |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | pasteles: aptitude update first? |
| 14:48.02 | pasteles | yes, aptitude is update |
| 14:48.04 | mmestnik | Hello, I'm attempting to setup a chroot(for qemu) that does not have NPTL, because qemu currently crashes when attempting to run NPTL code. |
| 14:48.57 | abrotman | pasteles: do you have security.debian.org sources in your sources.list ? |
| 14:48.58 | valdyn | mmestnik: posix threads? |
| 14:49.14 | valdyn | !nptl |
| 14:49.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, nptl is Native Posix Threading Library http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.60-0/ |
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| 14:49.22 | mmestnik | When was NPTL support added into Debian? Can it be removed/disabled? I'm running a ppc64 kernel and attempting to run i386 programs. |
| 14:49.31 | valdyn | mmestnik: you cant use debian then, not etch, not lenny |
| 14:49.44 | mmestnik | Sarge? |
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| 14:50.21 | mmestnik | The link provided is old. |
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| 14:50.38 | abrotman | pasteles: do not msg me .. answer here |
| 14:50.53 | pasteles | ok |
| 14:50.54 | pasteles | no |
| 14:50.58 | mmestnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_POSIX_Thread_Library |
| 14:51.00 | abrotman | pasteles: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 14:51.11 | everettz | flokuehn: Gnome starts, but I get a bad user / password error. Using the same user / password that works in terminal. |
| 14:51.18 | pasteles | i use sid |
| 14:51.26 | nsadmin | use? |
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| 14:51.40 | nsadmin | sid is not for using, it' |
| 14:51.46 | pasteles | sorry my english is poor |
| 14:51.46 | nsadmin | to find bugs |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | pasteles: paste the output of apt-cache policy kdelibs5 |
| 14:51.56 | bolt-work | !sid |
| 14:51.56 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 14:51.57 | stew | i use sid as well |
| 14:51.59 | flokuehn | everettz: uhh. ok. |
| 14:52.11 | valdyn | mmestnik: kernel get native threading at 2.5 |
| 14:52.15 | valdyn | mmestnik: kernel got native threading at 2.5 |
| 14:52.25 | nsadmin | stew: you know what you're doing :P |
| 14:52.26 | valdyn | mmestnik: so you can try sarge with the 2.4 kernel |
| 14:53.11 | flokuehn | everettz: so for now i dont have any clue about it |
| 14:53.45 | everettz | Anyone know why a user / passwd would not work at the gnome login, but would work for a terminal login? |
| 14:53.46 | pasteles | the output for "apt-cache policy kdelibs5" --> http://pastebin.com/m592468ec |
| 14:54.02 | abrotman | pasteles: go ask #debian-kde .. you're not using the kde from sid or lenny |
| 14:54.04 | pif | everettz: wrong keyboard in xorg.conf ? |
| 14:54.13 | mmestnik | valdyn: I'm actually running the ppc64 kernel and qemu. What I need to look into modifying is libc or just it's behaviour. |
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| 14:54.36 | valdyn | mmestnik: you run a 2.4 kernel inside qemu to not have posix threads |
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| 14:55.08 | everettz | pif: Characters all seem to appear correctly in the username field, and the same characters are in the passwd. |
| 14:55.50 | pif | is the error "wrong password" ? |
| 14:56.10 | mmestnik | valdyn: I'm attempting to use userland emulation. Running windows and any form on linux works if I use system emulation. |
| 14:56.12 | pasteles | anything answer for me int debian-kde |
| 14:56.42 | bolt-work | huh? |
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| 14:56.59 | abrotman | pasteles: be patient |
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| 14:58.09 | naxis^ | hmm |
| 14:58.10 | naxis^ | slippern@FKDebian:~$ getegg |
| 14:58.10 | naxis^ | boxes: Alleged system-wide config file '/etc/boxes' is a directory |
| 14:58.14 | naxis^ | any idea? |
| 14:58.45 | avu | naxis^, well, /etc/boxes is a directory, and something in your program/script seems to think it should be a file.. :) |
| 14:58.59 | naxis^ | http://pastebin.no/129823 |
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| 15:02.03 | Cybertinus | hello |
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| 15:04.45 | everettz | pif: Yes, wrong password |
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| 15:06.13 | mysteryc | Hey |
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| 15:06.39 | mysteryc | Where can I find out about my drivers on Debian Lenny, I'm running Gnome. |
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| 15:06.47 | abrotman | lsmod? |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | what about your drivers? |
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| 15:07.48 | mysteryc | I think I'm supposed to enable a closed-source driver |
| 15:08.12 | abrotman | for which device? |
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| 15:08.19 | mysteryc | Graphics Card. |
| 15:08.27 | mysteryc | It's an onboard graphics card by the way/ |
| 15:08.29 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 15:08.44 | mmestnik | More on NPTL: http://kerneltrap.org/node/422 |
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| 15:09.06 | mysteryc | abrotman: It said: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 02) |
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| 15:09.27 | mysteryc | abrotman: Oh, man, that sucks, uh, a lot. Does it even support compiz? |
| 15:09.50 | abrotman | uhm .. no idea |
| 15:09.56 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 15:09.56 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 15:10.04 | abrotman | says to use the via driver .. have fun! |
| 15:10.25 | mysteryc | abrotman: Via driver? Where am I supposed to get that? |
| 15:10.37 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg .. it should use it |
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| 15:10.47 | mysteryc | Uh, look, I am using Gnome. |
| 15:10.52 | mysteryc | Xorg is installed. |
| 15:10.53 | abrotman | uh, /me looks |
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| 15:11.07 | mysteryc | Looks what? |
| 15:11.14 | abrotman | you told me to look :) |
| 15:11.21 | mysteryc | Oh lol xD |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | mysteryc: so why do you think you need a closed driver? |
| 15:11.39 | mysteryc | ? |
| 15:12.03 | mysteryc | I wanna get compiz running, but I think my graphics card is pretty lame to run it. |
| 15:12.30 | abrotman | you'll just have to try it .. i can't comment on whether that driver provides some accelerated stuff or not |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | (and the FAQ doesn't help) |
| 15:12.42 | mysteryc | Oh |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/faq.html |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | that faq |
| 15:13.20 | mysteryc | Btw, do get compiz what am I supposed to apt-get? |
| 15:13.26 | mysteryc | The name of the package I mean. |
| 15:13.34 | mysteryc | Is it "compiz"? |
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| 15:13.56 | SlayerXP | mysteryc: what don't you look and see? |
| 15:14.02 | SlayerXP | err why |
| 15:14.07 | valdyn | mmestnik: i guess the fact that sarge can use a 2.4 kernel implies that its libc6 dose not need ntpl support, which means you can probably run it in that qemu userland emulation |
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| 15:15.51 | devsys | mysteryc apt-cache search packagename |
| 15:16.08 | mmestnik | valdyn: Yes, I'll attempt to debbootstrap sarge then. |
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| 15:16.52 | valdyn | mmestnik: what is this qemu userland emulation thing though? |
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| 15:17.17 | erry | hai mysteryc |
| 15:17.18 | erry | :) |
| 15:17.32 | mysteryc | Hello |
| 15:17.35 | valdyn | mmestnik: a kernel that runs on pp64 that implements linux/386 abi ? |
| 15:17.45 | mmestnik | It basically recompile any ELF to run on the native host. |
| 15:17.51 | mysteryc | Do any of you guys know how I can check if I can run compiz in my computer? |
| 15:18.05 | valdyn | mmestnik: like java jit compiler? |
| 15:18.21 | mmestnik | It's still qemu, but instead of working on the system layer it works on the userland. |
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| 15:18.54 | mmestnik | I can successfully run bash and other programs, but fork does not work. |
| 15:19.07 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 15:19.28 | valdyn | mmestnik: you mean clone |
| 15:19.31 | valdyn | mmestnik: fork not working means its useless |
| 15:20.12 | mmestnik | Yes, fork is not working, because qemu does not emulate NPTL. |
| 15:20.13 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 15:20.19 | jelly-home | not if all you need is a single self-contained app |
| 15:20.27 | valdyn | mmestnik: fork is not nptl |
| 15:20.27 | Cybertinus | I'm trying to install Debian Stable on a GPT partition table |
| 15:20.50 | Cybertinus | only the installer doesn't recognice the GPT partition table, anybody an solution for this problem? |
| 15:21.02 | Cybertinus | well, that isn't exactly true |
| 15:21.09 | dustybin | does debian contribute to the kernel like redhat does? |
| 15:21.20 | Cybertinus | the installer recognises it perfectly, only Grub doesn't want to install on it |
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| 15:21.40 | jelly-home | dustybin: several redhat employees work on the kernel. What do you mean? |
| 15:21.41 | mmestnik | I'd guess that NPTL had some improvements that fork as able to take advantage of. |
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| 15:22.06 | dustybin | jelly-home: do several debian developers work on the kernel also? |
| 15:22.22 | joe-mac | somebody, anybody care to explain the syntax to partman-auto-raid? IE 8000 500000 900 raid $primary{ } WTF are the first three numbers, the docs don't seem to say unless i missed it |
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| 15:22.43 | jelly-home | dustybin: there are prominent kernel devs who are also DDs, if that's what you're after |
| 15:22.53 | jelly-home | dustybin: tytso comes to mind |
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| 15:23.01 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 15:23.10 | mmestnik | valdyn: http://bellard.org/qemu/qemu-doc.html#SEC65 |
| 15:23.40 | jelly-home | likes having always-the-latest e2fsprogs in debian |
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| 15:25.16 | dustybin | do any of the debian developers have a long beard and look like this: http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2000/12/051-sound/cox_kopf.png |
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| 15:25.45 | joe-mac | as i was saying, anybody used partman-raid-auto before? it's a little cryptic, i just need to know what the first three numbers mean: 8000 500000 900 raid $primary{ } |
| 15:25.58 | cahoot | dustybin: red hat? |
| 15:26.12 | dustybin | cahoot: i mean the beard |
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| 15:26.24 | joe-mac | i hate alan's beard |
| 15:26.25 | stew | dustybin: see andrew mcmillan |
| 15:26.36 | dustybin | heh ok |
| 15:26.36 | joe-mac | i appreciate a good beard, but his is unkempt and straggly |
| 15:27.25 | jelly-home | wonders what prompted dustybin's line of inquiry |
| 15:27.58 | jelly-home | seen a hobo that claimed to be a DD and kernel dev? |
| 15:27.59 | dustybin | jelly-home: i noticed a lot of hackers have long beards and wondered why |
| 15:28.16 | opensrcguru | i got a problem with udev(maybe) that I can figure out. i have two identical (harsware and software) box boots and works fine, one doesn't. the box that doesnt work stops at the "starting hte hotplug events dispatcher: udevd" step durinig init. would udev/kernel guru lend a hand? distro=etch,hardware=compaq dl380 xen kernel 2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| 15:28.18 | joe-mac | because shaving means time away from the computer |
| 15:28.29 | dustybin | lol |
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| 15:28.50 | cahoot | you mean there is no usb razor? |
| 15:28.53 | joe-mac | i despise shaving, but i usually use a buzzer every couple of months to get it back down to semi normal |
| 15:29.01 | joe-mac | then little hairs get stuck in das keyboard |
| 15:29.21 | joe-mac | i spend lots of time away from my computer... drinking beer and..... uhhhh drinking liquor |
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| 15:30.15 | opensrcguru | i would ask a definitive question, but i don't know which one to ask.....:( |
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| 15:31.04 | opensrcguru | tried different new|old kernels, tried mucking with udev configs...noting. |
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| 15:31.36 | idimmu | is it possible to package up a ruby gem in to a deb package? |
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| 15:32.21 | idimmu | like you can with cpan and pear modules? |
| 15:33.04 | idimmu | a dh-make-gems thing? |
| 15:37.50 | _KaszpiR__ | anyone knows how to fix issue with special characters when using automount and smbfs (mounting windows2003 sahre |
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| 15:41.00 | opensrcguru | _KaszpiR__: you could try escaping them or putting them in quotes |
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| 15:42.09 | _KaszpiR__ | opensrcguru its not the case |
| 15:42.48 | _KaszpiR__ | its like some special chars like german u umlaut (with dots) are represented as '?' and some programs fail to descedn to the directory |
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| 15:43.53 | opensrcguru | _KaszpiR__: perhaps try a different locale. |
| 15:44.03 | _KaszpiR__ | ah, fond a solution |
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| 15:44.15 | _KaszpiR__ | iocharset=utf8, in autofs |
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| 16:02.48 | valdyn | idimmu: ruby-pkg-tools - Tools for building Debian Ruby packages |
| 16:03.21 | valdyn | idimmu: and rubygems - package management framework for Ruby libraries/applications |
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| 16:04.58 | morfol | is there a way to preverse folder and file rights on new files? |
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| 16:05.30 | SerajewelKS | morfol: example? |
| 16:06.12 | morfol | well my folder got rights like 750 and all new files get 644, i want them to get 640 |
| 16:06.37 | walle | hi. I'm trying to install hps raid management software on a dl360 running amd64. Some of the required hp software is only available for i386. One of the required packages is libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2_2.95.4-27_i386.deb but since it is i386 it is not possible to install. i have lib32 installed for compatibility. is it possible to force an install of this package or will that make the server crash and burn? |
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| 16:06.41 | SerajewelKS | morfol: man umask |
| 16:06.54 | SerajewelKS | morfol: you can't set this on the directory, only on the current session |
| 16:07.19 | SerajewelKS | morfol: but it's a moot point anyway. since others can't chdir to the directory (since it's not +x) they won't be able to use any permissions in there. |
| 16:07.32 | walle | i have read the install instructions and it suggest to force the installation of the hp packages but it doesnt mention libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2_2.95.4-27_i386.deb. |
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| 16:07.41 | idimmu | valdyn: rubygems doesnt do deb packages but thanks, im looking at ruby-pkg-tools at the moment |
| 16:07.57 | morfol | yeah, i know that, but all people in the group can, and i want to avoid them writting |
| 16:08.02 | SerajewelKS | walle: all we can say is try it and see if it works... hp is a bit out of the scope |
| 16:08.24 | SerajewelKS | morfol: if new files are 644 then people in the group have the same permissions, no? |
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| 16:08.51 | SerajewelKS | morfol: or is the group on the directory not the same as the group on the files? |
| 16:08.53 | morfol | well it was just an example ;) they actually have 664 |
| 16:09.02 | morfol | but i ll give umask a try |
| 16:09.08 | walle | SerajewelKS: If its possible that the server craches totaly i won't take the chanse. in that case i would need some kind of test environment which i donÃon't have access t. |
| 16:09.11 | walle | to. |
| 16:09.21 | SerajewelKS | morfol: maybe if you told us on a high level what you're trying to do we could suggest a different setup |
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| 16:09.56 | walle | so, my question is wether it's "safe" to force an installation of an i386 library on amd64 |
| 16:10.01 | SerajewelKS | walle: anything is possible, but i doubt an entire server crash will happen. but of course that's not a warranty, so do it at your own risk. :) |
| 16:10.32 | SerajewelKS | walle: it's probably going to put x86 shit into /usr/lib which may or may not be bad |
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| 16:10.50 | walle | humm,. |
| 16:10.52 | opensrcguru | where do you turn up the verbosity for init scripts in etch? |
| 16:11.07 | walle | so it will install into /usr/lib and not /usr/lib32? |
| 16:11.17 | SerajewelKS | walle: i would guess so |
| 16:11.33 | SerajewelKS | walle: run dpkg-deb -c over the deb and see what's in there |
| 16:11.40 | walle | then it's probably not very safe. |
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| 16:12.09 | SerajewelKS | walle: if i were you i'd pester hp to do a proper 64bit release |
| 16:12.11 | Shadow_Master | mixed archs in /usr/lib or /lib may give you interesting endless problems anyway |
| 16:12.20 | walle | SerajewelKS: yeh, /usr/lib |
| 16:12.21 | Shadow_Master | so it is bad |
| 16:12.36 | SerajewelKS | walle: so many people are using 64bit these days that it's inexcusable for a vendor not to supply 64bit builds |
| 16:12.41 | walle | SerajewelKS: yes, i will bugg hp :) |
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| 16:12.50 | SerajewelKS | walle: just look at all the bad press sun is getting over still not having a stable 64bit java browser plugin |
| 16:12.51 | walle | totally agree |
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| 16:13.18 | SerajewelKS | they released a beta a bit ago... like five years after the initial bug ticket was opened |
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| 16:14.40 | bolt-work | we all know 64-bit isn't the future |
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| 16:14.44 | bolt-work | they're working on the 128-bit |
| 16:15.15 | mv2 | already asked here but still having the problem .... |
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| 16:15.23 | mv2 | with iceweasel |
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| 16:15.38 | mv2 | i'm having some problem with some applet ... signed applets |
| 16:15.44 | mv2 | they that to long to load |
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| 16:15.57 | AbortRetryFail | This is silly. I've got a debian box that for some reason can not pull up the website "http://www.lite-source.net" |
| 16:16.10 | AbortRetryFail | Its a production machine running a squid proxy. |
| 16:16.35 | AbortRetryFail | I've tried using two different internet connections. Both of which work fine. |
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| 16:16.41 | AbortRetryFail | Other hosts on the network can reach the site directly. |
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| 16:16.47 | AbortRetryFail | Anybody got any ideas? |
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| 16:17.20 | bolt-work | AbortRetryFail: have you been screwing around with the routing table or something? tried a simple browser like lynx? can you ping the site from the box? |
| 16:17.32 | AbortRetryFail | cant ping because it's blocked. |
| 16:17.35 | AbortRetryFail | traceroute works fine |
| 16:17.52 | AbortRetryFail | I put in a static route for the www.lite-source.net to test it with the other internet connection. |
| 16:17.53 | rgr | Anyone know how to turn off a laptop screen from command line? My x30 freezes if I close the lid, so would like to turn off just monitor from command line. |
| 16:17.58 | bolt-work | traceroute isn't a connection test though |
| 16:18.00 | AbortRetryFail | other than that it's got no routes other than default and the local one. |
| 16:18.01 | bolt-work | not if it can't ping |
| 16:18.06 | bolt-work | telnet to port 80? |
| 16:18.11 | bolt-work | or any other port? |
| 16:18.20 | AbortRetryFail | I've got tcpdumps that show i'm getting packets back |
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| 16:18.50 | bolt-work | when you go there with a browser? |
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| 16:19.03 | AbortRetryFail | i get syn - syn/ack - ack - then the HTTP GET and then an ACK with a retardedly high TCP sequence |
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| 16:19.12 | AbortRetryFail | bolt-work: nowhere, it times out. I never get any HTTP data back. |
| 16:19.33 | AbortRetryFail | it ONLY happens on this one debian box. Other machines on the network can reach the host fine. |
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| 16:19.44 | Sebby_C | does annyone know something like cpannel or vistaPanel for apache ? |
| 16:19.48 | Cybertinus | anyone an idea how to get Grub on a GPT partition table? I'm using Debian Stable |
| 16:20.01 | matt | hi all |
| 16:20.06 | bolt-work | Sebby_C: not in debian |
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| 16:20.10 | AbortRetryFail | I've tried going out two different T1's going thru different firewalls, both of which work from other systems on the network. |
| 16:20.18 | matt | looking for help with apache2 in debian |
| 16:20.24 | bolt-work | matt: just ask |
| 16:20.26 | morfol | serajewelks i got all home directories with 750 and if i generate a folder in there it has 750 as right, but if i generate a file, it gets 664, so other grp users can change files from others |
| 16:20.30 | bolt-work | AbortRetryFail: tried a different browser? |
| 16:20.33 | bolt-work | AbortRetryFail: or telnet? |
| 16:20.44 | morfol | i want to prevent that, aslong as file owner doesnt allow it |
| 16:21.01 | AbortRetryFail | bolt-work: tried links, lynx, and connecting thru squid with firefox |
| 16:21.05 | AbortRetryFail | lemme try telnet real quick |
| 16:21.21 | pickcoder | AbortRetryFail: are there multiple default gateways by chance? |
| 16:21.21 | SerajewelKS | morfol: change the umask in /etc/profile |
| 16:21.35 | SerajewelKS | morfol: it should be something like 'umask 022' -- it sounds like you have 'umask 002' |
| 16:21.36 | morfol | serajewelks thanks |
| 16:21.51 | matt | in apache2, just one site with 1 set of rules, should I place access control directives in /sites-enabled? |
| 16:21.59 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: nope |
| 16:22.02 | SerajewelKS | morfol: you will have to log out and back in to see it. this script is run when a user logs in. |
| 16:22.09 | pickcoder | AbortRetryFail: so traceroute it |
| 16:22.22 | SerajewelKS | matt: where you place them is largely up to you |
| 16:22.23 | AbortRetryFail | i did. Traceroute goes thru just fine. |
| 16:22.23 | matt | or in httpd.conf? |
| 16:22.31 | matt | what is standard though? |
| 16:22.40 | SerajewelKS | matt: i'm not sure there is a standard on that |
| 16:22.43 | matt | ok |
| 16:22.52 | SerajewelKS | matt: if you define a default virtual host in sites-enabled i'd do all your shit in there |
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| 16:23.11 | bolt-work | matt: i'd suggest using sites-available and symlinking it from sites-enabled |
| 16:23.14 | petemc | matt: it debian, the standard is to place them in sites-available, then use a2ensite |
| 16:23.32 | AbortRetryFail | tried telnet to port 80 then typed "GET / HTTP/1.0" |
| 16:23.32 | matt | ok |
| 16:23.43 | AbortRetryFail | it sits for like a minute then goes "Connection closed by foreign host." |
| 16:23.44 | matt | even for a single site |
| 16:23.47 | bolt-work | petemc: heh. thanks. i've always made the symlinks manually :) |
| 16:23.50 | bolt-work | matt: you might want more |
| 16:23.53 | petemc | same thing :) |
| 16:23.54 | matt | right |
| 16:23.59 | pickcoder | AbortRetryFail: sounds like a default route on the other side maybe |
| 16:23.59 | SerajewelKS | matt: heh i assumed that's what you were doing and just editing the symlink :) |
| 16:24.07 | pickcoder | or you have a proxy in the middle that's breaking it |
| 16:24.09 | SerajewelKS | matt: but yes, they are right about that part of the setup |
| 16:24.09 | matt | it's the same right? |
| 16:24.13 | petemc | matt: you can stick them in the extant 'default' file in that case |
| 16:24.16 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: maybe, but why would it only be affecting this ONE debian box on my side? |
| 16:24.22 | pickcoder | ISP? |
| 16:24.27 | pickcoder | who knows |
| 16:24.33 | AbortRetryFail | Mine? possibly. |
| 16:24.44 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: can you physically move the debian box to some other segment of your network and test there? |
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| 16:24.54 | matt | I mean I make a sites-available conf file |
| 16:24.57 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: Production server, nokandu |
| 16:24.57 | pickcoder | it's hard to debug network routing problems without seeing it all |
| 16:25.01 | matt | then use the script to enable it |
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| 16:25.15 | AbortRetryFail | I've got 2 usable gateways with 2 separate internet connections on this one segment though. |
| 16:25.18 | bolt-work | matt: yep |
| 16:25.23 | matt | a2ensite |
| 16:25.27 | matt | ok thank you |
| 16:25.30 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: does it happen with both gateways? |
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| 16:25.36 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 16:25.37 | pickcoder | AbortRetryFail: and other servers use either of those? |
| 16:25.43 | pickcoder | on port 80 |
| 16:25.55 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: yes other servers can get to the site just fine. |
| 16:26.03 | pickcoder | are they routing tables similar to yours? |
| 16:26.09 | pickcoder | s/they/their |
| 16:26.10 | AbortRetryFail | yes |
| 16:26.20 | pickcoder | are you on the same subnet? |
| 16:26.25 | AbortRetryFail | yes |
| 16:26.33 | pickcoder | blames gremlins |
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| 16:26.42 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: i'm getting to that point too. |
| 16:26.44 | pickcoder | packet stealing gremlins |
| 16:26.49 | AbortRetryFail | fat packets trying to climb uphill. |
| 16:27.17 | AbortRetryFail | I just figured i'd ask here in case anyone else has any insight about other things to check. |
| 16:27.21 | pickcoder | no port scanners or anything are running? |
| 16:27.38 | pickcoder | nmap, shorewall, firestarter, etc |
| 16:27.44 | AbortRetryFail | Not on this server. |
| 16:27.58 | pickcoder | maybe your table is corrupt |
| 16:28.05 | AbortRetryFail | routing table? |
| 16:28.07 | pickcoder | take the interface down and reboot |
| 16:28.13 | pickcoder | TCP stack |
| 16:28.18 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: i'll try that later. |
| 16:28.31 | pickcoder | if that doesn't work then get out the "attitude adjuster" |
| 16:28.39 | K_Sakura | Hmm, looks like my connection was out for about 6 minutes, and it took me another six to unghost myself. |
| 16:28.43 | AbortRetryFail | oh the 20lb sledge? |
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| 16:29.02 | pickcoder | hm.. are the other servers on the same switch? |
| 16:29.11 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: bunches |
| 16:29.15 | AbortRetryFail | they all work |
| 16:29.17 | bolt-work | AbortRetryFail: or, if you have it, try stuffing another nic in there with a different ip |
| 16:29.18 | pickcoder | are they managed |
| 16:29.33 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: define managed ;) |
| 16:29.38 | pickcoder | level3 |
| 16:29.42 | pickcoder | vlans etc |
| 16:29.43 | flokuehn | AbortRetryFail: did you check if there are any vlans? |
| 16:29.52 | AbortRetryFail | no, there's no vlans on this switch. |
| 16:29.58 | pickcoder | that's all I can think of |
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| 16:30.13 | AbortRetryFail | This server is our main proxy, it can get to just about every other site on the internet EXCEPT this one |
| 16:30.18 | AbortRetryFail | no freakin clue why. |
| 16:30.31 | pickcoder | which host is it having problems with? |
| 16:30.37 | AbortRetryFail | www.lite-source.net |
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| 16:31.12 | pickcoder | fajita tells me it's IIS 6.0 |
| 16:31.15 | SerajewelKS | i think you just slashdotted them, AbortRetryFail |
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| 16:31.17 | pickcoder | so that means it is working |
| 16:31.23 | flokuehn | iam also facing problems accessing this site |
| 16:31.25 | pickcoder | just that you aren't allowed on it |
| 16:31.51 | AbortRetryFail | wait a sec... IIS "Working" ? |
| 16:31.55 | pickcoder | yup |
| 16:31.59 | pickcoder | lemme try to load a page |
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| 16:32.06 | AbortRetryFail | flokuehn: tcpdump |
| 16:32.14 | pickcoder | works here |
| 16:32.15 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: FWIW i don't seem to be able to get any response from that site |
| 16:32.18 | flokuehn | iam doing right now |
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| 16:32.48 | AbortRetryFail | you should get: SYN - SYN/ACK - ACK - GET / HTTP/1.0 - ACK (with like +500 tcp seq) then nothing |
| 16:32.54 | pickcoder | must be an external routing issue |
| 16:33.01 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: maybe you discovered the debian equivalent of the zune bug... |
| 16:33.17 | stoned | good mo rning |
| 16:33.24 | stoned | it is very very cold here today |
| 16:33.26 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: if it was a routing issue my windows XP PC on the same network using the same gateway wouldn't be able to get to it. |
| 16:33.33 | pickcoder | stoned: 71F outside here |
| 16:33.35 | SerajewelKS | stoned: ditto, i couldn't go to work cause of the roads |
| 16:33.35 | stoned | and I am playing Eternal Lands and I get no sound |
| 16:33.36 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: perhaps. This is definitely strange. |
| 16:33.52 | stoned | i dl the linux binary |
| 16:33.52 | pickcoder | AbortRetryFail: true |
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| 16:34.08 | stoned | perhaps I should try to build it, maybe I'll get more idea on why it isn't giving sound |
| 16:34.11 | stoned | great game though |
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| 16:34.29 | stoned | however an strace produced (can't open sound config file) |
| 16:34.48 | stoned | I have yet been unsuccessful in finding a config file for sound in Eternal Lands |
| 16:35.00 | stoned | does anyone have experience with that game? |
| 16:35.27 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: i don't know if this helps or not, but the packet checksum on the outgoing GET wireshark sees as incorrect |
| 16:35.36 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: maybe this is a kernel IP checksum computation bug? |
| 16:36.00 | AbortRetryFail | which kernel are you using? |
| 16:36.03 | SerajewelKS | that doesn't explain the high ACK i see here too though |
| 16:36.05 | SerajewelKS | 2.6.28 |
| 16:36.24 | AbortRetryFail | i'm using 2.6.18-6-686 from the etch repos |
| 16:36.34 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's not been fixed :) |
| 16:36.38 | AbortRetryFail | possible. |
| 16:36.42 | SerajewelKS | wireshark says it could be caused by TCP checksum offload |
| 16:36.44 | SerajewelKS | googles |
| 16:36.46 | pickcoder | let me try on a machine here |
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| 16:36.51 | AbortRetryFail | i'm not using any TOE |
| 16:37.11 | bolt-work | tcp checksum offloading should be fixed if you have another nic available |
| 16:37.17 | bolt-work | or you could set the option somewhere |
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| 16:37.24 | AbortRetryFail | well hold on |
| 16:37.31 | AbortRetryFail | eepro100's didn't do offloading did they? |
| 16:37.33 | SerajewelKS | according to ethtool my card does tcp checksumming |
| 16:37.36 | SerajewelKS | so i guess that's why |
| 16:37.39 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: false alarm |
| 16:37.48 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: ethtool --show-offload ethX |
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| 16:37.51 | pickcoder | works on my latest etch install |
| 16:38.15 | AbortRetryFail | oh really? |
| 16:38.24 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: can other debian boxes on the switch get to the site? |
| 16:38.32 | pickcoder | checksum offloading is not active on my nic |
| 16:38.37 | AbortRetryFail | lemme boot up my VM |
| 16:38.42 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: maybe linux's pattern of picking sequence numbers is confusing something ... not sure why it would, but who knows |
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| 16:38.48 | AbortRetryFail | i don't have any other real debian boxen here. |
| 16:38.56 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: there's about a million things that could cause this kind of problem |
| 16:39.01 | AbortRetryFail | (i wish i did... my boss has a hard-on for commercial shitware) |
| 16:39.19 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: i'm guessing it's something dumb on the far end's side that's triggered by something dumb on my side. |
| 16:39.31 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: that seems the likely cause |
| 16:39.50 | AbortRetryFail | the really high seq on the final ACK is bugging me... |
| 16:39.54 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: but it's not working here either |
| 16:40.04 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: yeah, i get an ACK about 350 larger than the last ACK too |
| 16:40.14 | AbortRetryFail | yep, then nothing. |
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| 16:40.39 | SerajewelKS | it happens whether i use iceweasel or telnet to issue the request |
| 16:40.58 | pickcoder | that's exactly what it is |
| 16:40.59 | AbortRetryFail | same here |
| 16:40.59 | SerajewelKS | i call shenanigans on their configuration |
| 16:41.09 | pickcoder | it's offloading |
| 16:41.27 | AbortRetryFail | offloading? but my checksums are showing correct... oh wait. I did the dumps from the server itself. |
| 16:41.32 | pickcoder | my fedora box has offloading turned on and it hands in telnet for GET / HTTP/1.0 |
| 16:41.43 | pickcoder | s/hands/hangs |
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| 16:41.53 | pickcoder | lemme try wget |
| 16:41.53 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: what? that's crazy... |
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| 16:42.06 | SerajewelKS | why should offloading cause this, unless there's a bug in the hardware? |
| 16:42.17 | pickcoder | wget is timing out |
| 16:42.18 | AbortRetryFail | or a bug in the driver. |
| 16:42.24 | AbortRetryFail | i'm using intel e100 |
| 16:42.25 | SerajewelKS | or that |
| 16:42.25 | pickcoder | it works on the other machines |
| 16:42.38 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) |
| 16:42.45 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: not even the same card |
| 16:42.50 | SerajewelKS | goes to turn off offloading |
| 16:42.56 | AbortRetryFail | 01:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) |
| 16:43.00 | AbortRetryFail | not even similar |
| 16:43.11 | AbortRetryFail | do they all share TCP offloading code? |
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| 16:43.16 | pickcoder | 00:08.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Ethernet (rev a3) |
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| 16:43.27 | AbortRetryFail | or maybe a bug in the TCP/IP stack where it calls up the driver to do the offloading. |
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| 16:43.58 | pickcoder | checksumming, scatter-gather, and tcp seg offload are on |
| 16:44.06 | SerajewelKS | i cannot confirm this |
| 16:44.17 | SerajewelKS | i turned off offloading and i still get a high ACK and no data |
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| 16:44.22 | AbortRetryFail | i'm no kernel dev. I really don't know how all that stuff works on the inside. |
| 16:44.25 | SerajewelKS | wireshark sees the checksum as correct now |
| 16:44.36 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: how are you turning off the checksumming? ethtool? |
| 16:44.40 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: yes |
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| 16:45.19 | SerajewelKS | offloading can't be the explanation here |
| 16:45.56 | AbortRetryFail | http://www.pastebin.ca/1300989 |
| 16:46.01 | pickcoder | hmm I can't turn off tx checksum |
| 16:46.01 | AbortRetryFail | I don't see anything about offloading. |
| 16:46.22 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: --show-offload |
| 16:46.30 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: like i said earlier :) |
| 16:47.01 | AbortRetryFail | ok WTF it works from my VirtualBox test system |
| 16:47.10 | SerajewelKS | heh |
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| 16:47.13 | SerajewelKS | maybe it is the NIC |
| 16:47.17 | pickcoder | could be |
| 16:47.23 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: everything's off |
| 16:47.26 | SerajewelKS | seems unlikely but possible |
| 16:47.27 | pickcoder | then again it does it from my onboard nv |
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| 16:47.34 | AbortRetryFail | i got a bunch of Operation not supported's |
| 16:47.38 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: and my onboard marvell |
| 16:47.41 | pickcoder | and I can turn off tx checksumming |
| 16:47.44 | pickcoder | s/can/can't |
| 16:47.49 | crawargh | I have installed a raid card into an existing debian machine. One of the devices on the raid card has assumed the device name (sda) of my boot drive ....... NVM ... figured it out. Isn't it amazing how sometimes formulating a question gives you the answer? |
| 16:47.51 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: i can and it doesn't help |
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| 16:48.00 | AbortRetryFail | I'm appearantly not even capable of it. |
| 16:48.04 | AbortRetryFail | so it's not the offloading |
| 16:48.22 | bbelt16ag | sigh I got a friend getting update that she bought software for a G5 instead of a G4 |
| 16:48.30 | bbelt16ag | I should tell her to just install inux and use gimp.. |
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| 16:50.02 | K_Sakura | likes the gimp |
| 16:50.34 | AbortRetryFail | maybe there's some NAT Sorcery that's going wrong somewhere between all the routers... |
| 16:51.21 | karsten | What's the command to connect to a pptp VPN? |
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| 16:51.25 | stoned | anyone know how to disable firefox 3 xpi install delay |
| 16:51.28 | karsten | ppdial or something....? |
| 16:51.32 | joltcan | pon? |
| 16:51.32 | stoned | in about:config |
| 16:51.43 | AbortRetryFail | karsten: pon or pppd call xxx |
| 16:51.54 | phoboss | hi |
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| 16:52.21 | mysteryc | Hey |
| 16:52.24 | phoboss | i run the backtrack vmware image which is based on debian but there is no apt-get command and no synaptic. how do i upgrade software now? |
| 16:52.38 | mysteryc | Where are all of my software saved? For example, in Windows there is C\Program Files ? |
| 16:52.58 | foo | I created a jail with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/footnotes.en.html#f87 makejail tool and a similar config. If I want to delete it, I can just rm -fr the jail, right? |
| 16:53.08 | AbortRetryFail | phoboss: isn't backtrack based off slax live distro? |
| 16:54.09 | karsten | AbortRetryFail: Thanks. I think that might be working... |
| 16:54.44 | phoboss | AbortRetryFail: oops you are right :( |
| 16:54.49 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: hrm, i can get a response from my debian server |
| 16:54.56 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: the one between this debian box and the 'net |
| 16:55.11 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: so maybe it is NAT -- the server does masquerading on this subnet |
| 16:55.30 | mysteryc | Where are all of my programs saved? |
| 16:55.41 | SerajewelKS | mysteryc: usually /usr/bin |
| 16:57.38 | AbortRetryFail | feck |
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| 16:58.23 | AbortRetryFail | i don't have any 100mbit hubs around here... |
| 16:58.23 | karsten | AbortRetryFail: What's the command to down the link? |
| 16:58.34 | AbortRetryFail | poff |
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| 16:59.00 | AbortRetryFail | i think. It's different with debain and slackware and i use both. I frequently get them mixed up. |
| 16:59.02 | karsten | AbortRetryFail: Will that affect my EVDO connection as well? |
| 16:59.21 | AbortRetryFail | karsten: i have no idea how your system is configured. If it's using ppp as well it might. |
| 16:59.33 | karsten | AbortRetryFail: wvdial. |
| 16:59.47 | jelly-home | karsten: that's usually a "yes" |
| 16:59.59 | karsten | AbortRetryFail: Both interfaces present as ppp. RTFM says "poff <isp-name>, so I'll try that. |
| 17:00.05 | karsten | jelly-home: We'll see ;-) |
| 17:00.12 | jelly-home | but pon/poff are pppconfig, not wvdial |
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| 17:00.45 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: The thing that's weird about it though is i can get to it from different systems behind the same firewall... |
| 17:00.46 | karsten | It's not a life-or-death, I'l tweak my scripts. Thinking there's got to be a slightly better / more standard way to do this. |
| 17:01.06 | joe-mac | NetworkManager natively does evdo now, automagically |
| 17:01.18 | karsten | Just a little shell script: start vpn, change /etc/resolv.conf, and add a route to the VPN. |
| 17:01.20 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: i know, that's very odd |
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| 17:01.27 | karsten | ... and a downer that reverses the process. |
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| 17:05.27 | jelly-home | s,change resolv.conf,use resolvconf instead, |
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| 17:06.10 | infinity0 | hey i'm on a private network, and the default gateway keeps dropping packets |
| 17:06.15 | infinity0 | when i try to ping it, there are intervals where nothing is returned |
| 17:06.17 | jelly-home | resolvconf deals nicely with local caching DNS swervers (ie. gives pdnsd some new upstream if it's running, instead of updating /etc/resolv.conf) |
| 17:06.19 | SerajewelKS | speaking of, linux's system for specifying name servers is incredibly limiting |
| 17:06.31 | AbortRetryFail | limiting? |
| 17:06.34 | jelly-home | linux? |
| 17:06.36 | macman | hey all .. so im thinking of switching to debian ... how good is debian on a Dell as far as battery conservation |
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| 17:07.15 | AbortRetryFail | macman: if your hardware's power management is supported you'll likely get better battery life than you do in Windows. |
| 17:07.26 | SerajewelKS | i'd love to be able to specify nameservers for domains. if the name being looked up is on this domain, use this nameserver, otherwise this one, etc. |
| 17:07.35 | SerajewelKS | would make using VPNs much nicer |
| 17:07.45 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: you want to be your own root server? |
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| 17:07.59 | AbortRetryFail | you could run a local dns cache and do that. |
| 17:08.02 | macman | AbortRetryFail, i have a Dell Precision M90 |
| 17:08.06 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i want my box to make intelligent decisions about routing dns requests |
| 17:08.20 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: there is no need to route every fucking dns request to my vpn's dns servers, for example |
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| 17:08.40 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: there's no need not to, either |
| 17:08.51 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: except that it's a lot slower? maybe? |
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| 17:09.14 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: a local caching ns will work around that |
| 17:09.18 | macman | AbortRetryFail, how would i find out of my hardware is supported ? |
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| 17:09.44 | AbortRetryFail | macman: boot a livecd is probably the easiest way. |
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| 17:10.08 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: just saying, this seems like the kind of thing that would be useful enough to have options for it in resolv.conf |
| 17:10.09 | mysteryc | Whats a package that shows system performance on a clock thing on my dekstop? |
| 17:10.28 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: if i know that only things on the example.com domain need to be looked up on my vpn's dns servers, why should everything else have to go there too |
| 17:10.38 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 17:10.48 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: this gets worse when i'm connected to more than one vpn. then hosts on one vpn are basically inaccessible since i can't look them up. |
| 17:10.56 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: don't surf pron when you're connected to the vpn |
| 17:11.15 | SerajewelKS | ha ha funny |
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| 17:11.45 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: btw, which OS does it better? |
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| 17:12.11 | SerajewelKS | just seems odd than an OS can make intelligent routing decisions about IP, which is built into the kernel, and when it comes to DNS it's pretty stupid |
| 17:12.18 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: between which options? |
| 17:12.42 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: wrt <SerajewelKS> speaking of, linux's system for specifying name servers is incredibly limiting |
| 17:12.47 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: your VPN is using the same FQDN inside as it is outside isn't it. |
| 17:13.01 | AbortRetryFail | with conflicting SOA between the outside servers and inside servers? |
| 17:13.12 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i'm not comparing to any other operating system |
| 17:13.22 | macman | ok .. let me go download it |
| 17:13.35 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: no, i'm speaking specifically of the case when i'm connected to two VPNs |
| 17:13.43 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: it's not that difficult to setup a local root and have non-local queries transfer to another DNS server |
| 17:13.46 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: my resolv.conf is only going to contain the DNS servers for one of them |
| 17:14.04 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: routing is done in kernel usually; resolving is a userspace issue, so it's not that unexpectd that they behave differently |
| 17:14.10 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: sure, but it seems like a basic DNS routing table based on the domain is something that would be present already |
| 17:14.10 | pickcoder | I use the dhcp dns server option with openvpn to allow me to use the LAN's forwarding DNS server |
| 17:14.15 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: that's a problem with the scripts in your ppp config, they're overwriting resolv.conf instead of just editing it |
| 17:14.44 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: but there is no way to specify in resolv.conf that some servers are for some domains and some are for others. it will just stupidly go down the list till it finds one that works. |
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| 17:14.52 | macman | what cd should i get ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ < -- so many |
| 17:14.58 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: which usually equates to long lookup times |
| 17:15.27 | AbortRetryFail | run a DNS cache locally. |
| 17:16.35 | foo | I created a jail with http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/footnotes.en.html#f87 makejail tool and a similar config. If I want to delete it, I can just rm -fr the jail, right? |
| 17:16.40 | foo | is probably overthinking this |
| 17:17.07 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: i suppose i should have to run NAT on packets leaving my own box too, just to get them to a destination on the same switch |
| 17:17.45 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: you don't need NAT to do that... |
| 17:18.16 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: exactly my point. running your own dns server is overkill when you could have a userspace switching table for deciding which dns server to use for a lookup. |
| 17:18.33 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: you should talk to [Danny] in #ntp regarding Bind9 configs |
| 17:18.42 | pickcoder | if he can't tell you how to do it then it's not possible |
| 17:18.50 | pickcoder | he's one of the original developers |
| 17:18.55 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: using a local DNS cache /IS/ your userspace switching table. |
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| 17:19.13 | AbortRetryFail | you don't need BIND to do that either, dnsmasq can probably handle it |
| 17:19.36 | pickcoder | by domain? |
| 17:19.39 | SerajewelKS | AbortRetryFail: the difference being that lookups are performed by another process instead of in-process with a library |
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| 17:20.27 | AbortRetryFail | there might be one out there you can plug in with nsswitch |
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| 17:22.18 | AbortRetryFail | pickcoder: actually probably not by domain |
| 17:22.27 | AbortRetryFail | i know you can put in custom host mappings though. |
| 17:22.30 | pickcoder | then how would it know how to route? |
| 17:22.32 | AbortRetryFail | tinydns might. I havent used it inforever. |
| 17:22.33 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: and, fwiw, windows actually does do it better to some extent. you can configure dns servers per interface with a specific suffix. on linux you pick dns servers for... everything, all at once, with no segmentation. |
| 17:22.58 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: that's not entirely true if your interfaces have different networks |
| 17:23.06 | AbortRetryFail | SerajewelKS: windows simply adds those servers to the list when the interface is up |
| 17:23.08 | pickcoder | you can chose transfers by network |
| 17:23.10 | pickcoder | in bind9 |
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| 17:23.40 | pickcoder | I know what you're saying, though |
| 17:24.10 | SerajewelKS | it just seems like there should be a much simpler way than running a dns server |
| 17:24.22 | pickcoder | if you are binding your TUN to the remote network then you're effectively connected to two different networks |
| 17:24.26 | SerajewelKS | it's not that hard for a library to say "oh this domain ends in .example.com, let's go use this server" |
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| 17:24.47 | pickcoder | I agree to an extent and it's a limitation of the name resolv setup |
| 17:24.55 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: and you could write a resolver that does that, but there isn't one present at the moment |
| 17:25.04 | pickcoder | still, you can route domain packets by network using iproute2 |
| 17:25.27 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: define "domain packet" |
| 17:25.32 | pickcoder | port 54 |
| 17:25.43 | pickcoder | from source ip.add.re.ss |
| 17:25.48 | \amethyst | pickcoder: he wants lookups for certain domains to go to a different recursive DNS server |
| 17:25.48 | pickcoder | gateway X |
| 17:25.58 | \amethyst | not based on source address, but based on the content of the packet |
| 17:26.04 | AbortRetryFail | set a lower timeout |
| 17:26.19 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: you mean 53? :) |
| 17:26.28 | pickcoder | w/e |
| 17:27.01 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: really, though, if I were going to implement this, it would be as a caching DNS server |
| 17:27.32 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: not because there's a *problem* with doing it in the resolver, just that that would be an easier place to handle the switching |
| 17:27.57 | pickcoder | does powerdns support that? |
| 17:28.15 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: to me though, from a user's perspective, connecting to two VPNs should just work. i shouldn't have to muck about with setting up my own dns server. |
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| 17:29.15 | AbortRetryFail | try djbdns's cache |
| 17:29.19 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I guess the VPNs are announcing their DNS servers over dhcp? |
| 17:29.26 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: probaby |
| 17:29.28 | SerajewelKS | ly* |
| 17:29.36 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: how do you know which lookups should go to the first VPN's server vs the second's ? |
| 17:30.20 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: unless the VPN says "I handle lookups for these domains", there's manual configuration to be done |
| 17:30.46 | AbortRetryFail | \amethyst: there's manual configuration done when you set up the VPN |
| 17:30.51 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: sure, but specifying that domain in a vpn config dialog and setting up a dns server and editing zone files are a bit different in terms of difficulty, no? |
| 17:31.03 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: ah |
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| 17:31.14 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: I think that would be great. But it doesn't exist yet |
| 17:31.33 | SerajewelKS | it doesn't but at least someone agrees with me now :) |
| 17:31.35 | AbortRetryFail | where this /really/ becomes a problem is when you've got servers on the outside of the VPN saying they have SOA for the domain used by the inside of the VPN which also has servers saying they have SOA and these aren't the same servers... |
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| 17:32.22 | AbortRetryFail | That's common in windows networks when people set up Active Directory and make their AD domain foocompany.com and their externally hosted web site foocompany.com |
| 17:32.25 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: and I think setting up a caching-only nameserver, then having if-up.d and if-down.d scripts to add/remove entries to/from its configuration, would be the fastest way to implement it |
| 17:32.37 | AbortRetryFail | \amethyst: yep that's what i suggested. |
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| 17:33.01 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: rather, I'm guessing that it would. There is probably a DNS server out there that supports this feature already |
| 17:33.05 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: right now, probably |
| 17:33.11 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: and it would just be a matter of writing an interface |
| 17:33.15 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: but it's still not optimal for non-linux-admin-types |
| 17:33.27 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: oh you mean having the system do that for you |
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| 17:33.31 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 17:33.38 | SerajewelKS | yeah perhaps |
| 17:33.40 | \amethyst | SerajewelKS: or a script |
| 17:35.16 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: I'm running pdnsd locally with resolvconf installed (a single vpn, though) and it works |
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| 17:38.35 | foo | Gah, I am trying to set it up so someone could ssh into a chroot, but I can't figure it out. I'm trying to follow http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html using libpam-chroot with no go. I added the user with --home pointing to his home in the chroot'd home... then I configured /etc/security/chroot.conf to point to his home... but it errors Could not chdir to home directory ... No such file or ... |
| 17:38.41 | foo | ... directory ... but it does exist. Any ideas? Or tips on troubleshooting? |
| 17:39.58 | jelly-home | foo: the very newest openssh, 5.1 or so, has an option to chroot the user into their home |
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| 17:40.30 | foo | jelly-home: Hm, I'm on: openssh-server 4.3p2-9etch3 |
| 17:40.34 | \amethyst | jelly-home: /etc/security/chroot.conf is part of pam_chroot, which is a generic way to do the same thing |
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| 17:41.03 | jelly-home | \amethyst: oh. I'm a pam agnostic |
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| 17:41.41 | foo | Hmm, I've reran this stuff multiple times with different options and can't seem to figure out what's up. gah |
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| 17:42.26 | \amethyst | foo: the home directory is looked up inside the chroot |
| 17:43.17 | \amethyst | foo: so if the chroot is /srv/chroot/user/ their home directory should be something like /home/user in /etc/passwd then there should be a /srv/chroot/user/home/user |
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| 17:44.15 | \amethyst | foo: have you looked in /usr/share/doc/libpam-chroot/examples/ ? |
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| 17:47.10 | foo | \amethyst: I have. I've read the readmes. Ok, so the user's home directory shouldn't be the same as /chroot/path/home/theiruser. I thought that might be the case so I did usermod -d /home/user... then did added user /home/chroot/home/user in /etc/security/chroot.conf. But that throws the same problem, Could not chdir to home directory /home/user: No such file or directory followed by /bin/bash: No such file or directory. /me wonders if he ... |
| 17:47.17 | foo | ... missed some small detail |
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| 17:48.24 | \amethyst | foo: /etc/security/chroot.conf should refer to the root of the chroot |
| 17:48.39 | \amethyst | foo: under the directory you specify there should be a "bin/bash", a "home/user", etc |
| 17:48.58 | foo | \amethyst: heh, that's what chroot.conf said in example too... that's probably the small detail I was referring to. :) Let me try that |
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| 17:49.55 | foo | \amethyst: Haha, I logged in and the shell says: I have no name!@host ... well, that's a start. I'm guessing it's because I didn't set up .bashrc properly (well, I didn't set it up at all, yet) |
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| 17:50.05 | foo | \amethyst: thanks :) I advanced... almost there. |
| 17:50.25 | mico-z | anyone can answer some questions about wine :? |
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| 17:51.00 | mico-z | i already have a xp partition... can i use it as my drive c: on wine:? |
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| 17:52.08 | Eulex | you can |
| 17:52.22 | Eulex | mount/symlink it into ~/.wine/drive_c/ |
| 17:52.33 | ppq | mico-z, i wouldn't do that.. but amybe you could set a symlink oh just mount it to ~/.wine/drive_c |
| 17:52.34 | Eulex | I don't know how well it works, tho, I've never done it myself |
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| 17:54.50 | mico-z | ppq: i just need wmp to stream media to my ps3... i tried almost all linux apps and mediatomb was my only success... altho video and audio freezes up every few minutes... i did it on my xp partition w/wmp and it worked great... |
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| 17:57.31 | mico-z | the pc w/xp broke down... and i only have the harddrive in a new system that came preinstalled w/vista... i did a clean install cuz vista ran slow... swapped in my hd with xp in it... xp booted but there is no network driver for my card in xp... dangit WINDOWS; they don't want us to stay stable |
| 17:57.52 | ppq | :D |
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| 18:00.00 | mico-z | ppq: why wouldn't you do it? |
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| 18:00.43 | ppq | mico-z, i thought you wanted to do complicated things with your existing windows apps. |
| 18:01.03 | ppq | i did that once.. config was lost |
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| 18:01.46 | mico-z | oic... well.. |
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| 18:01.57 | mico-z | how do i install wmp once downloaded? |
| 18:02.12 | ppq | you need ie6 for that |
| 18:02.14 | ppq | (wmp9) |
| 18:02.22 | ppq | try wmp9 for win98 |
| 18:02.28 | foo | \amethyst: actually, I'm not sure why it says "I have no name!" - any ideas? .bashrc and .bashprofile and what not all exist... /me researches |
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| 18:03.28 | mico-z | i don't know if wmp 9 will support dlna or upnp for the ps3 |
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| 18:03.47 | \amethyst | foo: /etc/passwd inside the chroot? |
| 18:04.10 | newsense | mico-z, i believe 9 does work with dlna |
| 18:04.17 | \amethyst | foo: should at least have entries for the system users and for that user |
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| 18:05.13 | mico-z | ok... thanks! |
| 18:05.20 | mico-z | i will try that |
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| 18:06.42 | foo | \amethyst: thanks, that was it. :) |
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| 18:11.49 | rektide | aka interrobang is unicode char 203, some way i can push a hotkey then type 203 and get an interrobang? |
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| 18:12.53 | enouf | Unix is not Windows |
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| 18:13.14 | foo | \amethyst: hm, I had to mount -t devpts none /dev/pts so screen could work properly. How would I have /dev/pts automount next time? Can I stick this in fstab? Hmm |
| 18:13.39 | Eulex | rektide, in gtk2: ctrl-shift-u<character code in hex><enter> |
| 18:13.42 | flower | how do I start gnome in a chroot environment (chroot chroot) with Xephyr? |
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| 18:15.55 | pickcoder | enouf: outstanding observation! |
| 18:15.58 | enouf | foo: hrm, for starters do; ~$ sudo rgrep /dev/pts /etc/ |
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| 18:16.51 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.54 | foo | enouf: AH! I didn't know about rgrep, I always did grep -r. heh, nice |
| 18:17.11 | enouf | foo: and egrep and fgrep :-) |
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| 18:17.20 | foo | Knew about egrep, need to check fgrep |
| 18:17.33 | foo | enouf: ah, it's in mtab. That's probably the right place to stick it, right? |
| 18:17.41 | foo | enouf: I just need to do that in the chroot'd environment |
| 18:18.01 | xerophyte1 | when you tar file without compression .. will the file changes from the actual files .. because i tar a folder with cvf the folder was 6.0G+ but the actual tar file is around 4.8 just wondering why is that? |
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| 18:18.25 | valdyn | xerophyte1: you got that wrong |
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| 18:18.44 | foo | enouf: hm, it was already in there, strange. /me will see what happens after a reboot |
| 18:18.52 | valdyn | xerophyte1: the file sizes do not change, but a file takes more space than its size, normally |
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| 18:19.19 | foo | Ok, almost the last thing... with top, top in the chroot'd environment shows top from the whole system, not just the chroot. I guess that's because /proc in the chroot is mounted from the main OS, right? |
| 18:19.52 | xerophyte1 | valdyn: so the tar should be more than folder size am i right |
| 18:19.52 | valdyn | xerophyte1: and that is very noticable when files are very small and very many |
| 18:20.06 | valdyn | xerophyte1: "folder size" ? |
| 18:20.21 | valdyn | xerophyte1: unix has no folders and a folder hardly has much of a size |
| 18:21.08 | xerophyte1 | valdyn: i mean the total size of the folders which contains the files .. the folder contains around 1.4million files |
| 18:21.20 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 18:21.28 | HardDisk_WP | whats a good editor commandline for .mo gettext files |
| 18:21.34 | valdyn | xerophyte1: each file wastes on average 1/2*blocksize space |
| 18:21.36 | HardDisk_WP | and how do i compile these? |
| 18:21.36 | xerophyte1 | valdyn: is that normal to see files.tar size reduce then actual content size |
| 18:21.46 | valdyn | xerophyte1: thats why the single files take more space than the tar |
| 18:21.47 | enouf | foo: well, for chroot, i have /etc/schroot/setup.d/10mount: do_mount "-o rw,bind" "/dev/pts" "${CHROOT_PATH}/dev/pts" |
| 18:22.19 | enouf | foo: that comes from the schroot pkg though, not typical chroot |
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| 18:22.34 | foo | enouf: yeah, I was thinking, I don't have that. hm, schroot package, I haven't heard of that before |
| 18:22.44 | xerophyte1 | valdyn: so its normal to see reduce in size for the tar file .. i am just concern why is big different 6.0+G to 4.8G .. but there around 1.4 million files which is tarred |
| 18:23.04 | valdyn | xerophyte1: calc 1.4 million * 512 bytes |
| 18:23.26 | enouf | foo: can you pastebin output of ~$ grep chroot .bashrc |
| 18:24.28 | foo | enouf: which .bashrc? from the user that I have set up to log into the chroot? |
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| 18:28.39 | buntfalke | is anyone familiar with the /etc/chipcard/server/chipcardd.conf file? how can i force it to use my reader using the ifd pcsc driver? |
| 18:28.43 | enouf | foo: yes |
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| 18:30.11 | xerophyte1 | valdyn: thats only reduce around 700M .. why does it this tar around 4.8G when the files are around 6.0+G |
| 18:30.12 | foo | enouf: and this will help with the top issue? or something else? |
| 18:30.46 | valdyn | xerophyte1: maybe alot of files are just few bytes sized |
| 18:31.04 | valdyn | xerophyte1: maybe your block sizes is larger than 1024 bytes |
| 18:31.12 | stew | xerophyte1: how did you calculate the size of the files before tarring? |
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| 18:32.15 | xerophyte1 | stew: du -csh folder |
| 18:32.15 | xerophyte1 | 6.0Gfolder |
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| 18:33.01 | xerophyte1 | valdyn: how can i see the block size of partition .. the tar file on nfs .. but the actual files are in localdisk .. may be there is different |
| 18:33.25 | valdyn | xerophyte1: block size of filesystem, not partition |
| 18:33.32 | valdyn | xerophyte1: so that depends on your filesystem |
| 18:33.45 | stew | xerophyte1: yes, du gives you the size used on disk, not the actual amount of data stored. |
| 18:33.48 | enouf | foo: probably not, as it concerns PS1= values anyway - but also there's a reference to a /etc/debian_chroot file (which i don't have) , that said; maybe you want to mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/point/dev prior to chrooting |
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| 18:34.12 | stew | xerophyte1: since you can only store data block at a time, storing a single byte file will consume 1 block (maybe 1k or 4k) on disk |
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| 18:34.48 | foo | enouf: ahh, ok, good idea. I'll look at that. Any ideas on the top question? eg. I don't want top to show processes from the whole OS, only the chroot |
| 18:35.22 | enouf | foo: oh, i missed any/all top questions, i thought you meant up-above-top .. let me review scrollback |
| 18:36.07 | foo | enouf: aha, thanks! |
| 18:36.30 | enouf | foo: i'm not sure at all - you might need to reroll your own top, and replace the orig, ..or maybe the grsecurity style patches have that sort of functionality |
| 18:36.48 | foo | enouf: ok, thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 18:37.42 | jelly-home | foo: does the user in chroot have uid 0 access? |
| 18:38.00 | foo | jelly-home: no, regular user |
| 18:38.26 | jelly-home | foo: grsecurity has an option to restrict regular users to being able to see only their own processes in top/ps (/proc, really) |
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| 18:39.01 | foo | jelly-home: to get that working, do I need to roll a custom kernel? |
| 18:39.08 | enouf | yes |
| 18:39.09 | jelly-home | foo: definitely yes |
| 18:39.15 | jelly-home | foo: it's a kernel patch |
| 18:39.20 | foo | Thought so |
| 18:39.41 | enouf | it's easier than rewriting/hacking top ;-) |
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| 18:40.02 | foo | I think I may just restrict access to top. :) It doesn't need to be super secure, just a little. :) |
| 18:40.15 | enouf | foo: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 18:40.22 | foo | enouf: thanks |
| 18:40.42 | jelly-home | foo: they can look in /proc by themselves (or use ps or any other /proc parser) |
| 18:41.07 | foo | jelly-home: yeah, I thought about that too. /me thinks about whether or not it even matters. |
| 18:41.12 | foo | thanks jelly-home and enouf :) |
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| 18:42.30 | Stealth`us | Ok, buona ser |
| 18:42.35 | jelly-home | foo: in addition, grsecurity has quite a number of compile-time and runtime options. It takes some time to find a set of options suitable for one's environment |
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| 18:44.00 | foo | jelly-home: yeah, I probably won't go that far. hmm, do I even need /proc in a chroot'd environment? The most important things this user needs is ssh... so I'm not sure I even need it. I just unmounted it and it seems to work fine |
| 18:45.04 | jelly-home | foo: if it's all right by them, leave it that way :-> |
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| 18:45.29 | foo | jelly-home: yeah, I don't think it's needed. thanks |
| 18:45.37 | dkremer | Hello. |
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| 18:46.04 | dkremer | Please, could you tell me if you know a command-line dictionnary/word translator for Linux ? |
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| 18:46.43 | pickcoder | where's the 3dm2 software for 3ware cards? |
| 18:46.49 | patrikf | dkremer: I think dict does that |
| 18:46.52 | stew | pickcoder: debian-unofficial.org |
| 18:46.55 | pickcoder | I thought it was in non-free or crontrib |
| 18:46.59 | pickcoder | ah.. that's right |
| 18:47.02 | pickcoder | thanks |
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| 18:47.31 | stew | pickcoder: its in 'restricted' which i think means "not legal enough for non-free even" |
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| 18:47.46 | stew | like "i'm not allowed to give you this, but here it is" |
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| 18:48.48 | enouf | foo: usually without proc/ sys/ dev/ in a chroot, you might find yourself a bit frustrated, as you found with this /dev/pts issue, but it all depends on what your chroot env intentions are |
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| 18:49.43 | foo | enouf: main needs are ssh + screen + vim, nothing really more |
| 18:49.54 | enouf | pickcoder: i haven't been there in a while, but definitely some interesting stuff there ;-) |
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| 18:52.15 | \amethyst | foo: without proc the user can't do ps |
| 18:52.18 | enouf | foo: i see .. hrm, i can't really offer much more about that since i generally use chroot to work on/in and update another (full) debian installation on another HDD, so i have full access, and it's a full installation |
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| 18:54.03 | enouf | isn't there also a unix version of top, written in C, that somehow works withOUT parsing /proc ? Though i can't think of how atm .. but IIRC, it's on one of SF.net, or freshmeat.net, or similar |
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| 18:54.28 | ryanCH | help, in KDE the no usb or cdrom devices are not longer being mounted auto when you hot-plug them ... and the command "lsusb" doesn't show anything anymore, what is wrong? |
| 18:54.38 | foo | \amethyst / enouf: ahh, I see |
| 18:54.48 | enouf | heh, but if the user can't install anything, no worries, i guess - but if there's will - there's a way ;-) |
| 18:54.58 | foo | :) yeah, that's ok |
| 18:55.27 | \amethyst | enouf: back in the day you did that by walking the kernel data structures |
| 18:55.33 | enouf | ryanCH: sounds like your entire USB bus/controller/modules went tits up |
| 18:55.55 | ryanCH | enouf: how do i fix it? |
| 18:55.56 | enouf | \amethyst: ahh - nice |
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| 18:56.18 | \amethyst | enouf: which I think meant ps had to be setuid root, but I could be wrong |
| 18:56.22 | enouf | ryanCH: try restarting your entire DE session, but i fear you'll need to reboot - does this happen often? |
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| 18:56.43 | ryanCH | en: DE session? |
| 18:56.47 | \amethyst | enouf: nowadays even root doesn't get to touch the kernel data structures directly :) |
| 18:57.01 | enouf | ryanCH: does dmesg | tail show info about newly hotplugged devices |
| 18:57.02 | enouf | ? |
| 18:57.11 | macman | so guys .. installed wicd and removed it because it didn't work .. i have no eth0 and no wlan0 anymore .. any ideas ? |
| 18:57.14 | enouf | \amethyst: O_o |
| 18:57.18 | ryanCH | enouf: let me check |
| 18:57.23 | enouf | ryanCH: DE == Desktop Env |
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| 18:57.42 | enouf | ryanCH: aka; KDE in your case - hence; K + DE .. get it ? |
| 18:58.21 | \amethyst | enouf: (I guess that's not entirely true, as you can mess with /dev/kmem or /proc/kcore) |
| 18:58.57 | enouf | \amethyst: point |
| 18:59.22 | ryanCH | enouf: no it just shows cdrom |
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| 19:00.26 | enouf | ryanCH: ok, is that a laptop? do you regularly use suspend/hibernate/resume/acpi sleep stuffs? |
| 19:00.52 | ryanCH | this is desktop computer, and no i don't use those |
| 19:00.53 | enouf | ryanCH: and .. answer; does this happen often? |
| 19:00.57 | enouf | ok |
| 19:01.11 | ryanCH | enouf: it does now |
| 19:01.17 | enouf | ryanCH: recent Kernel change/update/upgrade ? |
| 19:01.21 | ryanCH | nope |
| 19:01.49 | devicenull | Need to get 242MB of archives. After unpacking 122MB will be used. .. |
| 19:02.02 | devicenull | how does that work? that the packed archives are bigger then the unpackedo nes? |
| 19:02.03 | ryanCH | enouf: one day i plugged in my usb device i selected no when it comes up with that "What do you want to do?" for the device and i pressed cancel and after that no usb devices are cdrom's were detected after that |
| 19:02.08 | enouf | ryanCH: hrm .. well, let me just say, after umounting a usb /dev/ .. run "eject /dev/name", then pull the cable for unplugging |
| 19:02.41 | enouf | ryanCH: ahh, then go into K control center (kcontrol) and change it back to what you want |
| 19:03.04 | enouf | ryanCH: under KDE components > session something ? IIRC |
| 19:03.06 | ryanCH | enouf: think it's just a setting |
| 19:03.14 | valdyn | devicenull: you can even go negative |
| 19:03.29 | valdyn | devicenull: upgrades do overwrite old packages files |
| 19:03.41 | devicenull | ah so if the new pacakge is smaller then the old one |
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| 19:04.21 | \amethyst | devicenull: or even if it's not smaller |
| 19:04.33 | \amethyst | devicenull: "after unpacking" is telling you the change, not the total size |
| 19:04.40 | devicenull | ahh |
| 19:04.49 | enouf | ryanCH: it's under Peripherals -> Storage Media |
| 19:04.50 | devicenull | that makes sense |
| 19:04.55 | \amethyst | if they were smaller you might even see "After unpacking 122MB will be freed" |
| 19:07.02 | ryanCH | enouf: but why is "lsusb" not listing anything? |
| 19:07.19 | ryanCH | enouf: it nomrallu did, like for my usb mouse/keyboard |
| 19:07.24 | ryanCH | *normally |
| 19:07.58 | \amethyst | ryanCH: what are the perms on /dev/bus/usb ? |
| 19:08.08 | nick4 | I erased /etc/fstab by mistake. I re-wrote it but now I have a problem: I want HAL to mount the Debian DVDs on /cdrom but instead mounts them on //media/Debian testing i386 Bin.../ Any ideas on how to make HAL mount the Debian DVDs on /cdrom ? |
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| 19:08.27 | woden | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.27 | woden | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.10 | devicenull | I'm just not used to software getting smaller as the version goes up ;) |
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| 19:10.58 | \amethyst | devicenull: sometimes that happens because (for example) documentation got split off into a separate package |
| 19:11.37 | ryanCH | enouf: i tried, "lsusb -t" to list all the devices as a tree list... and it said "file doesn't exist /proc/bus/usb/devices" |
| 19:11.39 | devicenull | ah |
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| 19:13.30 | enouf | ryanCH: right, i didn't think that kcontrol setting affects your current issue, so restart the DE, then if still bad, reboot the system - i gotta run out for a while, bbl |
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| 19:13.52 | ryanCH | enouf: but what if that doesn't work either? |
| 19:14.02 | enouf | ryanCH: if on etch, learn udevmonitor, if lenny, see udevsdm |
| 19:14.07 | enouf | er udevadm |
| 19:14.16 | enouf | ryanCH: then onto plan B ;-) |
| 19:14.26 | ryanCH | ehe |
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| 19:19.08 | woden | how long would it take to brute force crack an 8 character password? |
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| 19:19.40 | ryanCH | 2.5 million years. |
| 19:19.45 | woden | seriously |
| 19:19.49 | ryanCH | no ;p |
| 19:19.59 | ryanCH | i dunno. ;p |
| 19:20.00 | woden | no, I mean, I want a serious answer please. |
| 19:20.07 | joltcan | depends on the chars and cpu power you got |
| 19:20.08 | lunaphyte | how fast can you type? |
| 19:20.21 | ryanCH | who? |
| 19:20.22 | woden | joltcan: using entire ASCII set |
| 19:20.29 | joltcan | there was an article about it on slashdot for some time ago |
| 19:20.56 | joltcan | http://www.mandylionlabs.com/documents/BFTCalc.xls |
| 19:21.09 | joltcan | don't know about accuray though |
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| 19:21.24 | ryanCH | lunaphyte: who? |
| 19:21.42 | joltcan | woden: as always google helps you with the answers: http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles |
| 19:21.44 | lunaphyte | ryanCH: woden. |
| 19:21.56 | ryanCH | lunaphyte: ahh |
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| 19:23.24 | woden | joltcan: Thanks for the link, but it doesn't go beyond 8 characters |
| 19:24.04 | joltcan | woden: Because no-one have tried? Look at the xls file |
| 19:24.37 | joltcan | woden: I think it will calc for you. But anyway, it's always gonna be theoretical, and, it doesn't have anything to do with #debian |
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| 19:25.50 | mike1o | has anyone here managed to get acer apire's sd card reader working? |
| 19:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | Do there any caveats exist when copying a non-password protected ssh keypair id_rsa/id_rsa.pub from a windows system to a linux server? |
| 19:26.07 | HardDisk_WP | somehow ssh asks me for a key password though none is set |
| 19:26.15 | HardDisk_WP | simply hitting enter doesnt work |
| 19:26.20 | EagleScreen | mike1o i have an Acer aspire and i think card reader works well |
| 19:26.51 | mike1o | EagleScreen, im sorry I meant the aspire one |
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| 19:28.07 | abrotman | mike1o: i can't imagine there's much special about it |
| 19:28.34 | abrotman | mike1o: does it show up in dmesg? lspci? lshw? |
| 19:29.01 | mike1o | abrotman, in lspci it doew |
| 19:29.03 | mike1o | does |
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| 19:29.48 | simonrvn | probably some usb-based thing, possibly needing a specific module, plus usb_storage |
| 19:30.20 | SerajewelKS | woden: the simplest answer is try it and see |
| 19:30.26 | mike1o | abrotman, here it says it's not an out of the box thing http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne#head-ae1a2c87c0b890f6dd4affb6e36720cd3bfab36c |
| 19:30.45 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html |
| 19:31.46 | negge | is there a way to find out what speed the memory is running at without rebooting and checking the BIOS? |
| 19:31.52 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, the key works on Windows/putty |
| 19:31.57 | HardDisk_WP | it refuses to work on linux |
| 19:32.11 | simonrvn | probably just a dos2unix foo |
| 19:32.29 | HardDisk_WP | the keyfiles are ascii armored |
| 19:32.32 | HardDisk_WP | that is not the problem |
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| 19:32.42 | HardDisk_WP | else it would whine about incomplete or broken key |
| 19:32.54 | simonrvn | they're text anyway |
| 19:32.54 | AbortRetryFail | negge: maybe SMBus ? |
| 19:32.55 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, are they ssh2? |
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| 19:33.15 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 19:33.21 | stew | negge: dmidecode |
| 19:33.41 | HardDisk_WP | PuTTY-User-Key-File-2: ssh-rsa |
| 19:33.41 | HardDisk_WP | Encryption: none |
| 19:33.42 | HardDisk_WP | that's the header of id_rsa |
| 19:33.43 | HardDisk_WP | aka the privkey |
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| 19:34.42 | simonrvn | eh, that might be why it's choking |
| 19:34.57 | woden | How do I fix my time? |
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| 19:35.11 | stew | woden: /msg dpkg set the time |
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| 19:36.01 | woden | stew: dpkg> no idea, woden |
| 19:36.08 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, You need the ip domain-name configured... is it? |
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| 19:36.20 | stew | dpkg: tell woden about set the time |
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| 19:36.48 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, the key is not ip-restricted on the server side |
| 19:36.50 | negge | stew: AbortRetryFail nevermind guys I noticed that lshw did the trick. It gives an awful lot of other info though... |
| 19:37.06 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, the very same key works on my windows vm with putty |
| 19:37.11 | woden | stew: Thanks |
| 19:37.42 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, no idee then |
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| 19:38.33 | woden | So it's like this? date --set= |
| 19:39.14 | stew | woden: "date --set 14:38" for example, or "date --set 'Tue Jan 6 14:38:48 EST 2009' |
| 19:39.22 | woden | How do I set the current date/time. the date is the 6th of jan, and the time is 2038 |
| 19:39.46 | karsten | woden: ntpdate / nptd / ntp-simple are your best bets. |
| 19:40.26 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, maybe putty keygen fucked up the privkey header...i'll pastebin it. |
| 19:40.32 | woden | Ok I got the time set, how do I change only the day? |
| 19:40.35 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, dont |
| 19:40.58 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, maybe try generating a new one on a secur elinux box is a better idee |
| 19:41.13 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, http://pastebin.com/m375ef670 |
| 19:41.13 | karsten | woden: Why are you manually setting time rather than using an ntp service? |
| 19:41.14 | woden | karsten: I don't know :/ |
| 19:41.14 | HardDisk_WP | the key isnt compromised for sure |
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| 19:41.18 | karsten | woden: ... and AFAIK you can' t"just set the date" as this defaults to midnight of a given day. |
| 19:41.25 | HardDisk_WP | the problem is putty keygen |
| 19:41.37 | stew | woden: date -s "Jan 6, 2009 14:40" (or whatever time it is) |
| 19:42.00 | karsten | woden: as root: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 19:42.04 | karsten | woden: ...should work. |
| 19:42.13 | karsten | woden: Otherwise what stew said. |
| 19:43.19 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, problem solved. converting it with puttygen helped |
| 19:43.35 | stew | or just "aptitude install ntp" |
| 19:43.40 | woden | stew: It says CET is that central time? What if I am in germany? how do I set the time zone for that? |
| 19:43.42 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, ok |
| 19:43.57 | stew | woden: in etch or lenny? |
| 19:44.05 | mike1o | woden, cet is central european time |
| 19:44.06 | jelly-home | woden: CET _is_ Germany |
| 19:44.13 | mike1o | ;) |
| 19:44.27 | jelly-home | at least in winter it is. |
| 19:44.29 | woden | Ok thanks |
| 19:44.42 | jelly-home | !tzsetup |
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| 19:44.52 | jelly-home | dpkg: ping |
| 19:44.52 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:44.58 | Vanscot | Hello.. |
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| 19:45.11 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 19:45.12 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:45.28 | Vanscot | I have a problem using a mouse on an acer aspire one, seems like the click is detected as a doble click.. |
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| 19:45.52 | Arsenick- | Hi all, I'm having an issue with samba and openoffice, I resolved this issue using nounix option when mounting from client.. But I want this problem to be fixed for everyone who try to mount this share, using nautilus or the mount command line, is there an option in smb.conf to help me ? |
| 19:45.52 | Vanscot | I dont know why, I changed the settings on the Control Center.. |
| 19:46.12 | Vanscot | But it keeps "double clickng" anything.. |
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| 19:48.29 | Vanscot | (I checked google too, I'm not the only one that had this problem, but I cant find any answer) |
| 19:49.48 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, what debian version? |
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| 19:51.10 | Vanscot | brb, restarting X.. |
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| 19:52.10 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, ?? |
| 19:52.46 | Arsenick- | I just realised it's a fedora core 4.. |
| 19:52.48 | Arsenick- | rofl |
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| 19:53.04 | Arsenick- | anyway the distrib isn't that important.. maybe the samba version |
| 19:53.04 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, ok, then echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled if you use CIFS |
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| 19:53.31 | vanscot | Argh, it didn't work. |
| 19:54.31 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, this is solved along time ago in Etch |
| 19:54.42 | Arsenick- | dutchfish, there's just nfs and nfsd directory in there.. |
| 19:55.16 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, the search for cifs in /proc it must ne there |
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| 19:55.23 | stew | Arsenick-: ask in #fedora or #samba |
| 19:55.37 | vanscot | Any idea about my probleml? |
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| 19:55.51 | vanscot | *problem |
| 19:55.52 | _44kbps_ | Hi people |
| 19:55.58 | stew | vanscot: are you using synaptic? |
| 19:56.06 | vanscot | Nop.. |
| 19:56.18 | _44kbps_ | I have a little question |
| 19:56.19 | stew | i mean synaptics, not synaptic |
| 19:56.31 | vanscot | Oh, mmm I dont know.. |
| 19:56.37 | vanscot | How could I find out? |
| 19:56.45 | stew | vanscot: is it on a touchpad? |
| 19:56.55 | Arsenick- | dutchfish, nop there's no cifs directory in there :P |
| 19:56.56 | vanscot | Well, It's a laptop, so I have a touchpad.. |
| 19:57.02 | vanscot | Bu the pad is not the problem.. |
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| 19:57.09 | vanscot | The problem is when I attach a mouse... |
| 19:57.12 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, sorry, then ask #fedora |
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| 19:57.18 | vanscot | The mouse goes speedlight on clicks.. |
| 19:57.30 | vanscot | *lightspeed i mean (sorry about my english) |
| 19:57.34 | Arsenick- | yup, anyway thx for your help |
| 19:57.46 | _44kbps_ | I'm using a MacBook with debian and now I'm going to backup my partitions. I know how to backup the mbr but I can't found any information about to backup the efi |
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| 19:57.54 | dutchfish | Arsenick-, or google on LinuxExtensionsEnabled |
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| 19:58.53 | Arsenick- | allright thx again ;) |
| 19:58.58 | dutchfish | gl |
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| 20:00.53 | vanscot | :-7 |
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| 20:01.43 | vanscot | Any idea? |
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| 20:02.57 | dutchfish | vanscot, did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org (and reconfigure your mouse) ? |
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| 20:03.21 | dutchfish | er: xserver-xorg |
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| 20:05.06 | vanscot | Mmm, should I do that everytime I plug a mouse? |
| 20:05.06 | vanscot | (trying what you write) |
| 20:05.06 | dutchfish | vanscot, just once, normally |
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| 20:06.10 | vanscot | I dont have dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:06.24 | vanscot | :O |
| 20:06.30 | dutchfish | vanscot, what debian version? |
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| 20:06.52 | rdx | I suspect there are some problems with my Asus eee SSD. Both DebianEeePC and eee-Ubuntu installers crashes on base system installation. Any suggestions on how to check for defects? |
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| 20:07.10 | vanscot | lenny |
| 20:07.33 | dutchfish | vanscot, you should have dpkg-reconfigure, i am sure |
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| 20:08.07 | vanscot | lol, sorry, I forgot to su - |
| 20:08.22 | dutchfish | !slap vanscot |
| 20:08.22 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across vanscot's face |
| 20:08.25 | vanscot | :'( |
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| 20:08.39 | ^Evgen | Hello |
| 20:08.44 | dutchfish | vanscot, just joking ;) |
| 20:08.58 | ^Evgen | How do I have non-english keyboard layout? |
| 20:09.03 | vanscot | xD |
| 20:09.16 | SerajewelKS | ^Evgen: because you set it to non-english? |
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| 20:09.33 | ^Evgen | I want to type in another language |
| 20:09.43 | S-i-A | ^Evgen: change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:09.43 | SerajewelKS | ^Evgen: system > preferences > keyboard |
| 20:10.15 | JPT | could have been worse like having a chinese keyboard without any knowledge about the language ;) |
| 20:10.18 | ^Evgen | Can I switch it with SHIFT+ALT like in windows? |
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| 20:10.27 | S-i-A | ^Evgen: yes |
| 20:10.31 | SerajewelKS | ^Evgen: you can configure that |
| 20:10.32 | ^Evgen | How? |
| 20:10.35 | S-i-A | which Desktop Einv? |
| 20:10.41 | S-i-A | gnome, kde? |
| 20:10.43 | ^Evgen | no dekstop |
| 20:10.48 | S-i-A | also |
| 20:10.48 | ^Evgen | just X |
| 20:11.02 | S-i-A | ^Evgen: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:11.27 | S-i-A | ^Evgen: http://www.xfree86.org/current/XKB-Config2.html |
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| 20:12.03 | vanscot | Mmm, it's not giving me any options to reconfigure mouse. |
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| 20:12.09 | vanscot | Restarting X (again) |
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| 20:12.39 | dutchfish | vanscot, it should |
| 20:13.26 | vanscot | It didnt... |
| 20:13.40 | vanscot | Just asked about keyboard, framebuffer and nothing else. |
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| 20:14.46 | dutchfish | vanscot, my mistake, yes, in lenny it isnt ... mmm |
| 20:14.54 | vanscot | np.. |
| 20:14.55 | vanscot | :D |
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| 20:17.10 | ^Evgen | I don't understand, where is the XFree86 configuration file? |
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| 20:17.15 | ^Evgen | I don't find it |
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| 20:17.24 | jelly-home | ^Evgen: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:17.33 | ^Evgen | I don't have that |
| 20:17.46 | jelly-home | ^Evgen: do you have xorg installed? |
| 20:17.57 | ^Evgen | I don't know |
| 20:18.05 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg |
| 20:18.07 | dutchfish | vanscot, does dmesg | grep input reveal anything ? |
| 20:18.27 | vanscot | Just the normal info about the mouse.. |
| 20:18.35 | vanscot | But it does not set it to a /dev/mice. |
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| 20:18.59 | vanscot | It points to a /dev/inputX (where x is any number) |
| 20:19.24 | vanscot | And I dont have any /dev/mice |
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| 20:22.18 | dondelelcaro | vanscot: it's /dev/input/mice |
| 20:22.36 | vanscot | checking |
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| 20:22.52 | vanscot | There's.. |
| 20:22.57 | dondelelcaro | (and in general, you shouldn't have to configure it at all) |
| 20:23.35 | vanscot | I know.. |
| 20:23.48 | vanscot | That's why it's weird. |
| 20:23.56 | vanscot | Any mouse that I plug in.. |
| 20:24.00 | dutchfish | seams there is a bug in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg-input-mouse.list when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in curen tlenny |
| 20:24.06 | vanscot | Work the same. |
| 20:24.31 | vanscot | dutchfish: That's why it didn't aska bout the mouse. |
| 20:24.34 | dutchfish | at least my mouse works but cant reconfigure it |
| 20:24.40 | vanscot | :-7 |
| 20:25.04 | stoned | hi |
| 20:25.20 | stoned | I want to install sun-java6-plugin but it wants to pull in iceweasel and xulrunner which I don't want |
| 20:25.36 | stoned | I have my own firefox builded in /opt/firfox |
| 20:26.07 | dutchfish | stoned, then you can install it manually (not the debian way of doing things so) |
| 20:26.08 | stoned | I would like to stop iceweasel/xulrunner from installing, not sure exactly how to do that... just simple ignore-depends? |
| 20:26.24 | stoned | eh.. i'll ignore depends |
| 20:26.31 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 20:26.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 20:26.54 | dutchfish | vanscot, i asume your mouse driver is loaded? |
| 20:27.17 | vanscot | Well, if it's not, the mouse is working by magic.. |
| 20:27.26 | vanscot | (fail magic, but at least it moves around) |
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| 20:27.50 | dutchfish | vanscot, hehe, yes, but maybe this: is the right one loaded |
| 20:28.12 | vanscot | psmouse loaded |
| 20:28.49 | dutchfish | vanscot, this smells like a bug, but i am not sure if they way a mouse should be configured is altered in lenny .... |
| 20:29.21 | dutchfish | vanscot, and it is ps/2 mouse, i asume |
| 20:29.29 | vanscot | Nop, it's a usb.. |
| 20:29.50 | vanscot | I did a modprobe on usbmouse |
| 20:30.04 | dutchfish | Vandrizm, strange |
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| 20:30.26 | vanscot | No changes so far, seems like the modprobe usbmouse didn't change anything. |
| 20:31.37 | vanscot | rmmod'ed the usbmouse |
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| 20:32.32 | dutchfish | vanscot, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 20:32.37 | abrotman | is gmp installed/running ? |
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| 20:33.41 | vanscot | exited silently.. |
| 20:33.43 | newsense | abrotman, ya mean gpm ? |
| 20:33.49 | vanscot | Checking xorg.con |
| 20:33.53 | vanscot | *xorg.conf |
| 20:33.55 | stoned | I don't have time for all that |
| 20:34.00 | abrotman | whichever it is . haven't used it in like 10 years :) |
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| 20:34.10 | abrotman | maybe five |
| 20:34.15 | vanscot | No change on xorg.conf |
| 20:34.16 | newsense | same here |
| 20:34.32 | stoned | I just let it install whatever and then I disabled iceweasel |
| 20:34.48 | stoned | I mv the firefox to firefox.backup and ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox in /usr/bin |
| 20:34.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, you mean libgpm2 ? |
| 20:34.54 | abrotman | no |
| 20:34.54 | abrotman | !gpm |
| 20:34.55 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks. |
| 20:35.26 | vanscot | That gpm stuff is for me? |
| 20:35.30 | vanscot | Should I try it? |
| 20:35.31 | abrotman | no .. |
| 20:35.34 | abrotman | i was showing dutchfish |
| 20:35.34 | vanscot | Ok.. |
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| 20:37.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, makes no difference for me, but i have no mouseproblem, only wondering why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not have a configure option for mouse |
| 20:37.22 | vanscot | Mmm.. |
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| 20:37.31 | dutchfish | abrotman, it is running now (gpm) |
| 20:37.41 | vanscot | Seems like I find something on the debian forums,,, |
| 20:38.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, thought thta it was only for virtual consoles so |
| 20:38.20 | dutchfish | s/thta/that |
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| 20:40.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, i think now i understand what you meant |
| 20:41.59 | dustybin | anybody know of a tool what can list all the different bit conversions, same as how this website does it: |
| 20:42.02 | dustybin | http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/?input_amount=256&input_units=gigabits¬ation=legacy |
| 20:42.51 | vanscot | restarting X, brb |
| 20:42.56 | dustybin | pkill X |
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| 20:44.15 | vanscot | Argh, not working.. |
| 20:44.15 | vanscot | :-u7 |
| 20:44.16 | stoned | uh |
| 20:44.54 | dutchfish | dustybin, you mean something like bandwidthcalc? |
| 20:45.08 | dustybin | oh i didnt realise that exists, thanks :) |
| 20:45.10 | dustybin | checks |
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| 20:46.14 | vanscot | Weird.. |
| 20:46.19 | dutchfish | dustybin, also check ipcalc if you want play with bits bitmasks and cdir notation |
| 20:46.21 | dustybin | oh thats GTK+ no good |
| 20:46.29 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
| 20:46.32 | vanscot | I'm checking x log and seems like some stuff is not ok. |
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| 20:47.33 | dutchfish | dustybin, or wcalc on command line |
| 20:48.10 | dustybin | dutchfish: all those tools are nice, but none of them do a nice list of conversions like that website does |
| 20:48.29 | dustybin | dutchfish: the perl source code is provided on the website: http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/?source=print |
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| 20:48.36 | dustybin | but im unsure how to create a shell only version of it |
| 20:48.37 | abrotman | dustybin: did you ask google? |
| 20:48.45 | dustybin | abrotman: yes |
| 20:48.52 | dutchfish | vanscot, still tracing xserver-xorg-input-mouse there is something fishy with it .... mmm... |
| 20:49.10 | dutchfish | dustybin, thx! |
| 20:49.39 | dustybin | its a simple, basic, tool, very useful, and seems to be busy within linux tools |
| 20:49.51 | dutchfish | dustybin, its not that hard once you understand it, or do you need something for a lecture? |
| 20:50.23 | dustybin | ive never touched perl before ever, ill have a hack at it |
| 20:50.33 | vanscot | dutchfish: tks... I'm working on my side too on google but nothing so far. |
| 20:51.26 | dutchfish | vanscot, mine is working (usb-mouse) with psmouse loaded |
| 20:51.35 | dutchfish | vanscot, lenny 64-bit |
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| 20:52.50 | vanscot | You're on a laptop? |
| 20:54.09 | stoned | mordy, tell me the problem |
| 20:54.12 | vanscot | Could it be that I'm have an Acer aspire one? |
| 20:54.22 | mordy | let me get the exact error message |
| 20:54.22 | stoned | mordy, what exactly is going on when you create the new user |
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| 20:54.26 | stoned | ok |
| 20:54.28 | vanscot | dutchfish: * I have |
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| 20:55.31 | pickcoder | for some reason I can't get the debian-unofficial keyring |
| 20:55.32 | mordy | stoned, adding a new user entails, afaik, copying /etc/skel and adding the new user in the list |
| 20:55.41 | stoned | no |
| 20:56.03 | stoned | you just go adduser and follow the prompts |
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| 20:56.13 | stoned | you shouldn't need to worry about its technicalities |
| 20:56.15 | mordy | well, i do that... maybe the problem is something else |
| 20:56.39 | stoned | 1) what are you trying to do EXACTLY? 2) what is not happening correctly? |
| 20:56.53 | MARIUS453 | hello |
| 20:56.57 | MARIUS453 | |
| 20:56.57 | MARIUS453 | as I can see the other parts (c: d:) on the hard disk, which had before installing linux |
| 20:57.08 | mordy | let me get the pastebin.. one sec |
| 20:57.22 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:57.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:57.31 | dutchfish | vanscot, no i dont think so |
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| 20:58.21 | stoned | you know |
| 20:58.28 | stoned | until today I had no idea iceweasel has profiles... |
| 20:58.30 | MARIUS453 | as I can see the other parts (c: d:) on the hard disk, which had before installing linux ? |
| 20:59.07 | stoned | this is cool, I have have a webdeveloper profile with all the extentions I never use while simply browsing |
| 20:59.26 | stoned | I have now 3 iw profiles setup, its nice. if you guys didn't know that, here it is, try iceweasel -P |
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| 20:59.54 | abrotman | wait ? you didn't know it had profiles? |
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| 21:00.08 | stoned | distant memory now that I think about it |
| 21:00.10 | abrotman | thinks profiles have been in netscape and kids since well .. netscape |
| 21:00.11 | stoned | I had forgotten about em |
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| 21:00.18 | stoned | oh I kno mozilla/netscape had em |
| 21:00.22 | stoned | but never firefox |
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| 21:00.34 | stoned | I had no idea, I only ever read the manpage today |
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| 21:00.57 | stoned | and it doesn't prompt you on default install a profile chooser |
| 21:01.34 | Tramp | I didn't know it had a manpage |
| 21:01.49 | MARIUS453 | please: as I can see the other parts (c: d:) on the hard disk, which had before installing linux ? |
| 21:01.52 | stoned | so eh.. it happens |
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| 21:02.00 | stoned | MARIUS453, what?! |
| 21:02.06 | simonrvn | stoned: i have like 5 or 6 profiles that are more or less contiguously used |
| 21:02.08 | wols | what's the name of debian after lenny again? |
| 21:02.13 | abrotman | squeeze |
| 21:02.16 | abrotman | HI WOLS! |
| 21:02.18 | wols | thank you |
| 21:02.19 | tarzeau | hi |
| 21:02.19 | stoned | wols, welcome back. |
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| 21:02.33 | stew | !customer |
| 21:02.33 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:02.36 | mordy | stoned, i get this: http://pastebin.ca/1301156 |
| 21:02.46 | stoned | hang on |
| 21:02.47 | vanscot | Well.. |
| 21:02.50 | vanscot | I have to go home now.. |
| 21:02.54 | stoned | someone try to talk to MARIUS453 and find out what he means |
| 21:02.58 | stoned | mordy, looking |
| 21:03.01 | pickcoder | squeeze? |
| 21:03.07 | mordy | it's from a gui error box |
| 21:03.12 | stoned | pickcoder, debian 6.0 codename! |
| 21:03.16 | MARIUS453 | |
| 21:03.16 | MARIUS453 | I want to see the data that I had before installing Linux and do not know when,can we help me |
| 21:03.18 | vanscot | Thank you dutchfish... |
| 21:03.19 | tarzeau | pickcoder: squeeze! |
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| 21:03.37 | simonrvn | OMG released?! |
| 21:03.42 | stoned | mordy, I have no idea what it means |
| 21:03.43 | tarzeau | simonrvn: where? |
| 21:03.43 | alami | ~pastebin |
| 21:03.44 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 21:03.56 | abrotman | stoned: might not be 6.0 |
| 21:03.59 | stoned | mordy, not a gnome user and tht dosn't look like user stuff tome |
| 21:04.02 | stoned | abrotman, true |
| 21:04.17 | mordy | stoned, not a gnome user either |
| 21:04.22 | abrotman | MARIUS453: are those drives ntfs or fat32? |
| 21:04.33 | mordy | although some porgrams require gconf to run |
| 21:04.34 | stew | MARIUS453: "fdisk -l" would show the known partitions. once you know the name of the partition you want to mount, something like "/dev/hda1" or "/dev/sda3" you should be able to mount them with the mount command, something like "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt" to make the files visible under the /mnt directory |
| 21:04.35 | stoned | MARIUS453, how did you install debian? you know anything about partitioning? which os are you in currently? |
| 21:04.51 | pickcoder | squeeze.. Debian v2009 |
| 21:04.56 | abrotman | yeah right |
| 21:04.57 | mordy | rather, i mean quite a few ppackages depend on it |
| 21:05.04 | stoned | MARIUS453, or have you isntalled debian now, and you wish to see the c: d: drives in linux? |
| 21:05.32 | stoned | MARIUS453, if you want to see the c: d: drives in linux you have to first mount them. find out if they are ntfs or fat32 and then we can advise more |
| 21:05.50 | stoned | MARIUS453, you can pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
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| 21:06.01 | simonrvn | oh, just the codename |
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| 21:06.23 | abrotman | simonrvn: yes |
| 21:06.36 | stoned | MARIUS453, nm, I didn't see stew's line |
| 21:06.46 | MARIUS453 | thanks |
| 21:07.27 | mordy | marius453, and you may wish to read up about how linux views disks and filesystems |
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| 21:08.05 | stoned | !tell MARIUS453 -about grounding |
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| 21:08.25 | MARIUS453 | about what? |
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| 21:08.28 | hotdog003 | Hey there! Are there any aptitude gurus out there? I'm trying to look for every package that I've manually installed myself that's not part of the desktop. The problem is, aptitude search '?and(?and(!?automatic, ?installed),!?reverse-depends(ubuntu-desktop))' doesn't work because the reverse-depends isn't recursive, so it shows (for example) coreutils even though ubuntu-desktop depends on packages that depends on it. Is there any wa |
| 21:08.52 | stoned | hotdog003, ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 21:09.16 | hotdog003 | But it's... but it's so crowded there! *sniff* Ok. |
| 21:09.23 | stoned | hotdog003, install debian. |
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| 21:09.31 | mordy | marius453, iut's a command for the bot, you should now have a messagber from 'dpkg' |
| 21:09.34 | mordy | damn keyboard |
| 21:09.36 | pablo | hi, the developers with a @debian.org mail use the mail server he wants or there is a debian mail server? |
| 21:10.07 | stoned | pablo, aliases afaik |
| 21:10.16 | stoned | pablo, they use whatever mail server they already use |
| 21:10.23 | stoned | pablo, I could be wrong though |
| 21:11.07 | dondelelcaro | pablo: Developers can send out using some debian.org servers, but almost no one does that |
| 21:11.15 | pablo | stoned: ah aliases like sourceforge ones? you need to provide another mail account? |
| 21:11.27 | stoned | I don't really know |
| 21:11.36 | pablo | dondelelcaro: no, how do they download them? |
| 21:11.45 | dondelelcaro | pablo: however they want to |
| 21:11.52 | newsense | hotdog003, i personally use debfoster |
| 21:11.57 | newsense | keeps a list of manually installed packages and their depends |
| 21:12.16 | jelly-home | newsense: was debfoster fixed to play well with aptitude? |
| 21:12.19 | dondelelcaro | pablo: almost all of the mail is forwarded, though some people use uucp. Why does it matter? |
| 21:12.24 | pablo | dondelelcaro: imap pop? there is a debian server? or they have to specify another server? |
| 21:12.28 | newsense | jelly-home, yep |
| 21:12.37 | jelly-home | nice, thanks |
| 21:12.47 | dondelelcaro | pablo: we don't do imap nor pop. But why do you care? |
| 21:13.24 | stoned | I think someone wants to h4x0rz us ;) |
| 21:13.28 | pablo | dondelelcaro: dont know, only wanted to know |
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| 21:13.40 | mordy | stoned, my thoughts exactly :P |
| 21:14.21 | stoned | i remember i think it was early sarge/testing phase, packages.debian.org was compromised along with another server |
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| 21:15.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, even with dpkg-reconfigure -a option no mouse config option, no error either |
| 21:15.26 | stoned | there aren't that many security issues at all though |
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| 21:15.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, this is strange |
| 21:15.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: there isn't supposed to be one in lenny |
| 21:15.59 | stoned | dutchfish, mouse config option? |
| 21:16.09 | stoned | I'm curious what are you doing? |
| 21:16.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, oh, ok |
| 21:16.11 | mordy | in x debxcon? |
| 21:16.13 | dutchfish | stoned, yes |
| 21:16.16 | mordy | i gather |
| 21:16.22 | mordy | debconf |
| 21:16.36 | dutchfish | modrydebconf neither |
| 21:16.45 | dutchfish | mordy debconfig has neither |
| 21:16.57 | mordy | yeah, they took it out :( |
| 21:17.11 | stoned | you want to configure your mouse in xorg.conf? |
| 21:17.12 | dutchfish | what then? |
| 21:17.21 | mordy | dutchfish, it's pretty much automatic |
| 21:17.25 | abrotman | X -configure ? |
| 21:17.25 | dutchfish | stoned, yes, i can do thta manually |
| 21:17.42 | stoned | so whats the problem? |
| 21:18.03 | mordy | well, sometimes folks want things doen automatically |
| 21:18.08 | dutchfish | what xserver-xorg-input-mouse is used then for |
| 21:18.19 | stoned | for the input of mouse |
| 21:18.34 | stoned | what else do you think it used for? hatching eggs? |
| 21:18.37 | mordy | i think x loads the default drivers if something is lacking in xorg.conf |
| 21:18.40 | dutchfish | yes, but how is it invoked |
| 21:18.49 | stoned | now thats a good question |
| 21:18.58 | dutchfish | or at least how can dpkg configure it on install and later |
| 21:19.04 | _bozo | hi. how i can make "public key" from a file ? (dvd iso mount) |
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| 21:19.11 | mordy | i thihnk xorg.conf only lets you override the default settings, as opposed to how it used to be, i.e. using it as its only source of configratuon |
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| 21:19.16 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:19.19 | sxp | i want to play in playchess.com with linux |
| 21:19.22 | sxp | how can i do it? |
| 21:19.31 | stoned | chess online |
| 21:19.32 | stoned | cool |
| 21:19.36 | dutchfish | mordy, i think its handed to udev as it seams now |
| 21:19.48 | h3sp4wn | sxp: xboard |
| 21:19.52 | dutchfish | mordy, delving into it |
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| 21:20.04 | mordy | dutchfish, i hate dealing with X :| |
| 21:20.08 | stoned | ok |
| 21:20.15 | sxp | h3sp4wn, playchess.com with xboard? |
| 21:20.19 | stoned | since the link for client is .exe file, you have to use wine |
| 21:20.30 | mordy | the configuration file seems so opaque to me |
| 21:20.35 | dutchfish | mordy, thats why they try to simplefy it, so thats hard for the ones that used it many times |
| 21:20.43 | sxp | but i dont have chessbase! |
| 21:20.47 | stoned | sxp, aptitude install wine |
| 21:20.50 | h3sp4wn | sxp: http://www.chessclub.com/help/xboard |
| 21:21.22 | stoned | sxp, and then you can use wine blahinstall.exe and install the app and it should create a entry in the debian menu |
| 21:21.36 | h3sp4wn | sxp: You might need a different timeseal / ip addresses |
| 21:22.03 | mordy | and you might want to try a newer version of WINE too, if it doesn't work initially |
| 21:22.11 | jelly-home | stoned: chess server protocol is well known, and xboard has been one of the first clients for it |
| 21:22.14 | eptalon | Is there an equvalent ot dvdshrink in debian? |
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| 21:22.20 | stoned | no clue |
| 21:22.25 | pitoow | i need a good repository for my etch, anyone can help me |
| 21:22.34 | stoned | never been a chess nerd. just went to the site, saw a client for .exe told him to use wine |
| 21:22.40 | sk4 | hi |
| 21:22.51 | jelly-home | eptalon: now that's one app that works well in wine (well, it did for me) and no real easy native equivalent |
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| 21:23.03 | mordy | stoned, you need to sip vodka and speak russian to be a chess geek; that's the real way |
| 21:23.19 | jelly-home | stoned: used xboard in maybe 1996 |
| 21:23.44 | mordy | (actually any eastern european language will do) |
| 21:23.47 | enouf | eptalon: there's DeVeDe in the dmm repos, then there's k9copy et al |
| 21:23.56 | stoned | wow |
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| 21:24.18 | macman | devede rocks |
| 21:24.19 | stoned | I had kasparov's gambit chess game in dos back in the day |
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| 21:24.28 | stoned | never cared for chess |
| 21:24.33 | stoned | or any board games really |
| 21:24.34 | mordy | it's a nice game |
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| 21:24.43 | sxp | ok i will try then... |
| 21:24.47 | enouf | eptalon: but yeah, if you got a newer system, with mucho horsepower to handle the bloat from today's DEs, then yeah, run dvdshrink within wine |
| 21:24.49 | sxp | thanks to all! |
| 21:25.36 | enouf | stoned: you just don't have the patience for chess :-P |
| 21:26.04 | stoned | with the world all green around me, I've got the patience of a fucking saint. |
| 21:26.23 | enouf | green? from puke? |
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| 21:26.34 | stoned | yeah, from puke. |
| 21:26.40 | enouf | oh .. edible people :-p |
| 21:26.41 | sxp | <h3sp4wn> sxp: You might need a different timeseal / ip addresses -->> whi? |
| 21:26.42 | jelly-home | enouf: Mary Jane! |
| 21:26.47 | sxp | *why? |
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| 21:27.21 | enouf | jelly-home: i know i know that reference, but it's eluding me atm |
| 21:27.21 | marius1 | hy |
| 21:27.26 | stoned | why don't you just play chess online in a online app |
| 21:28.19 | marius1 | as i can see the particion ntfs |
| 21:28.30 | enouf | !wb amphi |
| 21:28.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! amphi has returned! |
| 21:28.48 | mordy | lol |
| 21:28.50 | newsense | eptalon, theres xdvdshrink too :) which does the same thing as the dvdshrink app |
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| 21:28.55 | enouf | man .. everyone's getting cloaks ..again .. |
| 21:29.11 | stoned | instead of an os app |
| 21:29.28 | eptalon | newsense: thanks, will try. |
| 21:29.29 | mordy | or play supertuxkart |
| 21:29.34 | stoned | hm... ok.. php/ajax chess application |
| 21:29.44 | stoned | use any modern browser to play chess online , keep scores |
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| 21:29.56 | enouf | ugh .. Java Craplets? |
| 21:29.59 | stoned | hmm.. ok.. that could be intersting |
| 21:30.00 | enouf | you dumbass |
| 21:30.02 | stoned | what? java? |
| 21:30.05 | stoned | who the fuck said java |
| 21:30.15 | enouf | i did, you alluded to it |
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| 21:30.22 | jelly-home | enouf: you use that word altogether too much. |
| 21:30.23 | stoned | marius1, do not msg me |
| 21:30.28 | waxi | hi |
| 21:30.37 | marius1 | soory |
| 21:30.41 | enouf | ^fives simonrvn for correct usage of allude :-p |
| 21:30.55 | stoned | what? |
| 21:31.03 | stoned | where the hell did simon comein from |
| 21:31.07 | stoned | are you crack? |
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| 21:31.15 | enouf | jelly-home: i know .. i'm starting to irritate stoned </evil grin> .. it's working :-P |
| 21:31.24 | jelly-home | ENICK |
| 21:32.01 | enouf | heh .. /me sets of someon'es system BELL! |
| 21:32.05 | stoned | so yeah man, yeah, thats cool I can try to make a chess game in php/ajax, and why not |
| 21:32.07 | marius1 | as i can see the particion ntfs |
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| 21:32.31 | enouf | marius1: what is your native language? |
| 21:32.37 | stoned | marius1, so which drive it is? |
| 21:32.42 | enouf | !es |
| 21:32.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:32.44 | marius1 | spain |
| 21:32.45 | stoned | espania |
| 21:32.52 | marius1 | yes |
| 21:32.58 | enouf | there's also a .es perhaps |
| 21:33.03 | stoned | which was also under the islamic rule for a long while! |
| 21:33.18 | stoned | </useless fact> |
| 21:33.27 | enouf | slaps stoned around a bit with a 72 blow up dolls |
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| 21:33.36 | stoned | anyway, so which device is it? |
| 21:33.46 | marius1 | it is ntfs and i want see the data of thid drive |
| 21:33.48 | stoned | marius1, can you pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
| 21:33.55 | stoned | ok |
| 21:34.02 | stoned | marius1, very simple |
| 21:34.05 | marius1 | what is pastebin |
| 21:34.07 | enouf | marius1: we need as much specific information as possible |
| 21:34.08 | stoned | !ntfs-ro |
| 21:34.10 | Fare | Hum. I've tried to update an old lenny to the current lenny, and it's now hosed with not enough perl installed to run installation scripts :( |
| 21:34.14 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 21:34.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:34.17 | stoned | !ntfsro |
| 21:34.17 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 21:34.33 | stoned | marius1, there you go /^\ |
| 21:34.41 | h3sp4wn | sxp: All the chess servers I know of use ICS but to stop cheating have a closed timseal (you can normally run it without but then if you get any lag then you just lose time) |
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| 21:34.58 | joe-mac | anybody here good with preseed files? |
| 21:35.00 | stoned | marius1, now that you know the device, it is easy to mount it and access it |
| 21:35.04 | stoned | joe-mac, just ask |
| 21:35.31 | joe-mac | stoned: will mirror/http/hostname accept IPs? i see it sourcing my preseed in /var/log/syslog but it still asks me fro the mirror info |
| 21:35.50 | stoned | yes ip should work just fine |
| 21:35.53 | stoned | it doesn't matter |
| 21:35.53 | enouf | joe-mac: have you read/searched the installation guide? |
| 21:35.57 | marius1 | where i go for acces it |
| 21:36.04 | marius1 | step by step please |
| 21:36.15 | stoned | marius1, oh boy... I can't do this man you're gonna have to learn |
| 21:36.23 | joe-mac | yea enouf i've been at this all day, it loads the file but for some reason does not really act like any of the variables are set |
| 21:36.29 | joe-mac | for example, it still asks me for my locale |
| 21:36.30 | stoned | marius1, I can tell you what you need to do again... |
| 21:36.33 | joe-mac | even though locale is clearly set |
| 21:36.38 | garfat | Anyone who has a suggestion as to why two network cards might decide to have the same ip on a machine even though they are created separately with "ip ...."? |
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| 21:36.47 | enouf | joe-mac: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html seen that? |
| 21:36.56 | stoned | !tell marius1 -about ntfsro |
| 21:37.07 | stoned | marius1, check your message from dpkg in irc |
| 21:37.13 | joe-mac | yea that's one of the tabs i have open in firefox en |
| 21:37.15 | joe-mac | enouf: |
| 21:37.18 | marius1 | thanks |
| 21:37.21 | enouf | ok |
| 21:37.24 | stoned | marius1, I don't know what else to tell you |
| 21:37.30 | joe-mac | if you'd like i can pastebin thef ile |
| 21:37.31 | stoned | it can't be any simpler than that |
| 21:37.42 | enouf | and you followed the URLs to http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/example-preseed.txt ? and you've seen the 5.x Chapter about Boot Params? |
| 21:37.53 | simonrvn | enouf: o_O |
| 21:37.59 | enouf | simonrvn: :-p |
| 21:38.08 | simonrvn | silly man |
| 21:38.14 | stoned | simonrvn, he was taking crack hits earlier nm him |
| 21:38.15 | stoned | ;) |
| 21:38.35 | simonrvn | i know what he's talking about |
| 21:38.38 | enouf | simonrvn: oh , btw - question; do/can any powerpc that you know of use rEFIt? i'm thinking since refit is EFI related, no |
| 21:39.10 | joe-mac | enouf: yes. as i said syslog clearly shows the file is loaded |
| 21:39.25 | simonrvn | not apple ones, dunno about the others. AFAICR they all use OF |
| 21:39.25 | enouf | simonrvn: abrotman: suggested you might know - if not, i'll gladly blame him :-P |
| 21:39.37 | abrotman | he uses more PPC than i do! |
| 21:39.47 | enouf | simonrvn: righto - open firmware / ROMs ? |
| 21:39.53 | enouf | heh |
| 21:39.58 | simonrvn | yes open firmware |
| 21:40.34 | magdalene | scuttles out from under the #debian fern, snatches an unsuspecting herbivore, and drags him back under the fern for afternoon snax |
| 21:40.35 | simonrvn | if you want a more definite answer, ask in #mklinux |
| 21:40.36 | enouf | simonrvn: so, it's a fairly fair assessment to presume it's a macintel (not ppc arch) when someone mentions rEFIt .. that's my query really |
| 21:40.46 | enouf | ahh, ok |
| 21:40.51 | simonrvn | mostly yes |
| 21:40.55 | enouf | simonrvn: thanks |
| 21:41.02 | simonrvn | consumer grade anyway |
| 21:41.02 | enouf | !blame abrotman anyway! |
| 21:41.03 | dpkg | blames jtaji and abrotman anyway! for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 21:41.32 | simonrvn | (yeh, ok, other ones too, but whatever) |
| 21:41.37 | enouf | magdalene: ahh .. nice move :-P |
| 21:41.55 | stoned | yup |
| 21:42.01 | stoned | which brings me to my next point |
| 21:42.12 | stoned | do NOT. smoke. crack. |
| 21:42.20 | stoned | scratches head |
| 21:42.23 | simonrvn | magdalene: don't grab too many newbies, though, ok? |
| 21:42.28 | enouf | joe-mac: if you really get stuck check through debian-boot@lists.debian.org and maybe shoot them an email |
| 21:42.41 | magdalene | I need a new deb ported to mac administrator |
| 21:42.47 | magdalene | I think I have used up the old one |
| 21:43.05 | magdalene | Simonrvn grin |
| 21:43.19 | simonrvn | *g* |
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| 21:44.38 | magdalene | he was quite tasty... i mean burp .... talented.. but he just couldn't last ... |
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| 21:45.32 | enouf | funny, i'm reviewing some backscroll in that channel and the discussion is all about preseeding :-P |
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| 21:48.01 | magdalene | I swear |
| 21:48.08 | magdalene | this G3 is cursed |
| 21:49.13 | jelly-home | it has curses on it. |
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| 21:49.27 | jelly-home | ncurses, even |
| 21:49.52 | cirzgamanti | hi, is anyone using mldonkey nowadays? i just found it's still alive, and there's even a debian package |
| 21:50.03 | magdalene | nah.. the ones you use chickens and rum for |
| 21:50.16 | magdalene | afk |
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| 21:54.00 | mlLK | why is there a debian image that is 4.4 gigs? |
| 21:54.31 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: it's a DVD? |
| 21:54.35 | mlLK | ya |
| 21:55.03 | mlLK | but i mean, did they just prepackage extras apps cuz they could? |
| 21:55.15 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: no |
| 21:55.28 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: the whole distribution takes up about three DVDs, actually |
| 21:55.46 | mlLK | oh my. |
| 21:55.50 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: and almost everything that is on it is used by someone, somewhere, and packaged by someone else |
| 21:55.54 | macman | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz |
| 21:55.54 | macman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.56 | mlLK | i thought they were just different flavors... |
| 21:56.13 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: nope; Debian is truely the universal operating system |
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| 21:56.21 | amphi | macman: no |
| 21:56.24 | mlLK | dondelelcaro: so i gotta download all of these eh?! |
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| 21:56.29 | simonrvn | isn't that amd64? |
| 21:56.34 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: nope; you don't even have to download one of them |
| 21:56.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell mlLK -about netinst |
| 21:56.41 | amphi | macman: although cd is 'descended' from pentium m |
| 21:56.50 | amphi | *c2d |
| 21:56.55 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: assuming you have a reasonable network connection, you only need the netinst cd |
| 21:57.10 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: you then only download what you need |
| 21:57.10 | macman | amphi, http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html < -- can you help me with this then ? im going to configure my debian system with cpu frequency driver thing |
| 21:57.21 | macman | amphi, i need to know what to install .. if not i will just use the default driver |
| 21:57.32 | mlLK | dondelelcaro: so, ya i do, which ever image initializes the install is irrelevant? |
| 21:57.44 | S-i-A | is Away |
| 21:57.57 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: pretty much. the larger ones just have more packages on them, but all of the packages are available from our mirrors |
| 21:58.10 | mlLK | ok i see, ty |
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| 21:58.19 | abrotman | !tell S-i-A about away |
| 21:58.25 | mlLK | i've only messed w/ ubuntu server |
| 21:58.28 | amphi | macman: you mean frequency scaling? you just need the modules acpi_cpufreq and cpufreq_ondemand - ondemand is the governor intel recommends |
| 21:58.32 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: the main thing you really care about is getting the right architecture, and deciding between running etch and/or lenny |
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| 21:58.48 | mlLK | dondelelcaro: is debian easy to raid? |
| 21:58.50 | abrotman | macman: which version of debian? |
| 21:58.51 | eptalon | I use Virtualbox to run Dvdshrink? |
| 21:59.00 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: yes |
| 21:59.09 | eptalon | mlLK: I run it on a softraid 5. |
| 21:59.16 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: the install guide will help you answer those questions too |
| 21:59.24 | mlLK | should i avoid oem raid drivers? |
| 21:59.30 | enouf | amphi: yes, descended, however the core (yonah, merom, etc) and coreduo are different considerably, and less p3/M-like, IIRC |
| 21:59.45 | amphi | enouf: verily |
| 21:59.52 | eptalon | mlLK: What do you mean? |
| 21:59.59 | mlLK | wait n/m only for windows |
| 22:00.27 | mlLK | eptalon: i mean my motherboard includes 2 different raid drivers |
| 22:00.37 | eptalon | mlLK: If you have SOFTWARE RAID, the linux kernel provides all that is necessary. |
| 22:00.42 | h3sp4wn | mlLK: Depends what card or motherboard you have - you should avoid the infamous raid 5 write hole (by whatever means) |
| 22:00.50 | enouf | macman: 1st off, is SpeedStep (or whatever intel calls it now) enabled in the BIOS? |
| 22:01.10 | eptalon | mlLK: If you have hardware RAID, you do not need any drivers. |
| 22:01.13 | abrotman | macman: did you install Debian yet? |
| 22:01.16 | macman | ok .. abrotman and amphi .. im going to install the live cd right now and then install debian onto this laptop .. im install debian-live-lenny |
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| 22:01.26 | mlLK | i heard a fairy tale that raid5 can still run a max capacity even if a disk fails |
| 22:01.37 | macman | abrotman, gimme like an hour |
| 22:01.39 | h3sp4wn | eptalon: How would you manage the thing then ? (replaces disks etc) |
| 22:01.40 | enouf | mlLK: you do not want to try to create one array using 2separate controllers |
| 22:01.46 | abrotman | macman: thank you |
| 22:01.59 | eptalon | h3sp4wn: Manage? |
| 22:02.01 | enouf | mlLK: also you do not want to use them at all, since that'll require dmraid, not mdadm |
| 22:02.09 | mlLK | enouf: i dunno, i have a funky hd arrangement |
| 22:02.13 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: raid5 will still work if a single disk fails |
| 22:02.18 | enouf | mlLK: you have some Intel Matrix10 crap? |
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| 22:02.24 | mlLK | no no no |
| 22:02.34 | mlLK | i have an outlier tho |
| 22:02.40 | mlLK | one 74 gig raptor |
| 22:02.41 | eptalon | mlLK: The RAID functionms most motherboards have are software RAID.. |
| 22:02.42 | h3sp4wn | eptalon: Hardware raid is pretty useless without the proper userspace stuff to manage the controller |
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| 22:03.06 | mlLK | h3sp4wn: i think i'm not even gonna attempt |
| 22:03.10 | enouf | eptalon: s/soft/fake |
| 22:03.13 | mlLK | h3sp4wn: it's just a desktop board |
| 22:03.15 | macman | ok .. im confused .. i just downloaded debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop.net.tar.gz .. i went to extract it and there is no iso .. how do i burn this to a cd so i can boot into it ? |
| 22:03.31 | enouf | what? |
| 22:03.33 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: you actually do need drivers, but the drivers for most real hardware raid already exist |
| 22:03.49 | enouf | macman: see #debian-live .. /msg dpkg live |
| 22:03.59 | amphi | macman: it doesn't help cross-posting to both channels |
| 22:04.15 | mordy | well, it does - he's got someone's attention |
| 22:04.16 | macman | amphi, sorry .. i thought they where 2 diffrent networks |
| 22:04.16 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: so far I have just run softraid on linux; RAID 5 actually works quite well, but rebuilds are relatively slow. |
| 22:04.25 | enouf | macman: to extract a tar.gz use tar xzvf filename.tar.gz though |
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| 22:04.27 | mordy | thhey are, but we have agents |
| 22:04.35 | mlLK | errr 215 KB/s for my iso |
| 22:04.41 | abrotman | !d-i macman |
| 22:04.41 | dpkg | macman, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 22:05.11 | mlLK | anyone know the fastest mirror for the us (mid-west) |
| 22:05.18 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: ie. about 70MB/sec, compared to the hundreds of mb/sec you get with hardware raid. |
| 22:05.31 | mordy | milk,they should all be about the same speed |
| 22:05.42 | mordy | ftp.debian.org is usually sufficient for my connection |
| 22:05.50 | mordy | (350kb/s |
| 22:05.52 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: yeah, software raid works; I'm just a fan of hardware raid, personally |
| 22:06.04 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: the main reason is because you can do nice things like hot-swapping |
| 22:06.08 | mordy | never even dabbled with raid |
| 22:06.09 | mordy | oh |
| 22:06.15 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: If I had the money, I'd go for hardware raid.. |
| 22:06.22 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: though I do have a collection of machines running software raid |
| 22:06.24 | mlLK | dondelelcaro: what kinda hardware do you use? |
| 22:06.50 | jelly-home | just had his 500GB backup disk at home die; the next backup storage device will be a raid1 |
| 22:07.16 | eptalon | jelly-home: add another disk, get raid 5? |
| 22:07.29 | joe-mac | raid5 adds complexity where none is needed. |
| 22:07.32 | dondelelcaro | mlLK: depends; supermicro and various other whiteboxes; some hp and other things. for hardware raid, almost entirely 3ware controllers |
| 22:07.34 | joe-mac | all desktop machines should be standard with a mirror |
| 22:07.58 | mordy | i thought i only needed a raid controller for hardware raid |
| 22:08.02 | eptalon | joe-mac: depends: raid5 reduces lost capacity to a third. |
| 22:08.03 | mordy | although they are expensive |
| 22:08.03 | mlLK | i hear raid5 is optimal |
| 22:08.06 | jelly-home | eptalon: it's easier to get an external box for two drives, compared to three |
| 22:08.10 | eptalon | joe-mac: from 50% |
| 22:08.18 | mlLK | if you value backups and fast reads |
| 22:08.26 | eptalon | jelly-home: thats true |
| 22:08.27 | dondelelcaro | mordy: that's correct; any oridinary controller will work for software raid |
| 22:08.27 | joe-mac | yea, you also need more hardware and it uses a more complex algorithm |
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| 22:08.40 | jelly-home | mlLK: three words: double disk failure. |
| 22:08.45 | mordy | dondelcarlo, but for hardware raid you need a speciall motherboard? |
| 22:08.53 | dondelelcaro | mordy: nah, just a raid card |
| 22:09.08 | eptalon | mordy: usually you have a raid adapter.. |
| 22:09.09 | mordy | which are about $300 as i see lol |
| 22:09.10 | stew | i |
| 22:09.15 | simonrvn | real h/w raid, not most of the shit that's sold as succh |
| 22:09.16 | mlLK | isn't there a failsafe for that |
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| 22:09.23 | stew | i've been trying to switch from 3ware to using software raid, and I think I'm switching back |
| 22:09.25 | timholum | hello, i am wondering where the file for installed apps? I have a backup of an old server and i am trying to find out all the packages that are installed. |
| 22:09.26 | dondelelcaro | mordy: yerp, and it goes up from there |
| 22:09.33 | joe-mac | stew: any particular reason? |
| 22:09.41 | S-i-A | abrotman: thanx |
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| 22:09.48 | jelly-home | stew: considered any other hd raid vendor? |
| 22:09.52 | h3sp4wn | And you need a spare raid card |
| 22:09.55 | jelly-home | hw* |
| 22:09.56 | joe-mac | if your array gets screwed on a 3ware card, you will need a 3ware card to recover... this is why i universally use linux software raid |
| 22:10.02 | joe-mac | no vendor lock in, can recocver from any linuc box |
| 22:10.12 | stew | joe-mac: becuase i've lost the array 4 times in the 2 weeks i've had it |
| 22:10.20 | eptalon | mlLK: RAID5 is a good trade-off between data security and lost capacity, RAID6 may be an option, but is a lot more complex. |
| 22:10.31 | jelly-home | !raid5 |
| 22:10.31 | dpkg | -- I heard raid5 is see raid or http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid -- also see http://www.acnc.com/04_01_05.html and click the various levels (0 ... 50, 0+1) on the page's RAID LEVEL: bar |
| 22:10.34 | stew | jelly-home: i already have 3 8 port 3ware cards. if someone else were paying i'd be considering other vendors |
| 22:10.36 | dondelelcaro | mordy: but generally you're using hardware raid on machines that cost >> $2K, and you're using disks that are more expensive than the controller |
| 22:10.37 | joe-mac | jeez stew, i've never even heard of that |
| 22:10.39 | mlLK | eptalon: it's my first time raiding linux |
| 22:10.58 | eptalon | mlLK: Jave ypu read the Wikipedia article on RAID? |
| 22:11.09 | stew | joe-mac: i blame the hardware, i just happen to have 3ware ide hardware with years of testing that I can trust, and right now, i've got no backups running |
| 22:11.11 | mlLK | i'm browsing around now |
| 22:11.18 | joe-mac | o i c |
| 22:11.21 | mlLK | debian's wiki surely has one right? |
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| 22:12.09 | eptalon | mlLK: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID for general info on RAID |
| 22:12.36 | mlLK | sata raid is experimental!? |
| 22:13.03 | stew | mlLK: what do you mean? |
| 22:13.05 | eptalon | mlLK: I run a softraid 5 with SATA-II. Works fine. |
| 22:13.10 | mlLK | ok ok |
| 22:13.17 | mlLK | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid?highlight=(raid) |
| 22:13.39 | stew | i'm trying to run softraid 5 with SATA-II and it sucks, but i don't know who to blame |
| 22:13.47 | stew | i think i'm going to blame the hard disks themselves |
| 22:13.48 | eptalon | mlLK: OPenSOlaris has RAID-Z which is similar, but not linux. |
| 22:13.55 | abrotman | blame canada! |
| 22:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | poor canada |
| 22:14.22 | stew | i should probably try new sata cables. i had one drive i couldn't get back online until i switched cables |
| 22:14.23 | eptalon | stew: Maxtor drives, conceivced ofr 24/7 operation. |
| 22:14.36 | mlLK | is raid5 noticeably faster? |
| 22:14.41 | stew | and i switched it for a cable which i had previously gotten rid of becuase i was having trouble with |
| 22:14.43 | mlLK | w/ debian. |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | than what? and at doing what? |
| 22:14.49 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: it won't notice |
| 22:14.51 | stew | mlLK: it depends very much on the who is doing the raid |
| 22:14.59 | stew | mlLK: and how the hardware is connected |
| 22:15.12 | stew | mlLK: and what type of operation |
| 22:15.15 | eptalon | mlLK: RAID5 is usually slower than RAID1, but there is only 33% lost capacity compared to 50%. |
| 22:15.18 | simonrvn | sounds marketroid speak |
| 22:15.18 | joe-mac | the performance hit is slight |
| 22:15.22 | simonrvn | like* |
| 22:15.31 | jelly-home | stew: are you using the "crapload of cheap PCIe 2-port cards" method? |
| 22:15.43 | jelly-home | stew: how many spindles? |
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| 22:15.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, how can you tell? Probably everytime you blame Canada, a cute little baby kitten dies... |
| 22:16.05 | dutchfish | raid5 is a balanced trade-off in speed versus capacity, if you need high speed use raid10 |
| 22:16.13 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: then i'd be killing a lot of kittens :( |
| 22:16.14 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: a canuckian kitten! let it! |
| 22:16.17 | stew | jelly-home: for which? the raid i was trying to replace, which i'm going to fall back on was an 8 drives attached to a single 64 bit pci card |
| 22:16.21 | macman | ok let me close this window |
| 22:16.34 | eptalon | mlLK: And as I said when I rebuild, I get rates of 50-70MB/sec (compared to several hundred possible with HW raid) |
| 22:16.40 | mlLK | is mdadm standard raid utility? |
| 22:16.41 | stew | jelly-home: i was trying to replace it with 3 large SATA drives hooked to the motherboard using mdadm |
| 22:16.45 | simonrvn | macman: you're not allowed to close it! |
| 22:16.50 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 22:17.10 | mlLK | eptalon: thats something to look forward to :) |
| 22:17.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I suspect they'd die anyways (being thrown into the river inside a closed sack and everything) ... but still |
| 22:17.28 | dutchfish | simonrvn, too late |
| 22:17.37 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i know ;) |
| 22:17.47 | eptalon | mlLK: Means 900Gb take about an hour to rebuild. |
| 22:18.10 | eptalon | mlLK: yep |
| 22:18.12 | mlLK | should i raid this by the book or is there an installer application that is recommended? |
| 22:18.34 | h3sp4wn | Do you really need it now or can you wait for bltfs (or whatever its called) |
| 22:18.49 | jelly-home | stew: hum. how are "motherboard" sata controllers connected? |
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| 22:19.25 | micols | anyone know how to throttle an athlon xp in linux kernel, not nforce2 throttle, but cpu clock? |
| 22:19.48 | stew | jelly-home: with solder :P |
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| 22:19.57 | jelly-home | stew: ! |
| 22:20.35 | eptalon | h3sp4wn: ZFS? |
| 22:20.45 | stew | jelly-home: when i upgraded the firmware on the hard drives, the failures seemed to stop, but then i had two drives drop off around the same time about a week later |
| 22:20.52 | dutchfish | eptalon, hammer? |
| 22:21.57 | jelly-home | stew: have you asked them libata kernel people about your chipset and about the recommended controllers for this sort of setup? |
| 22:22.03 | h3sp4wn | eptalon: http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 22:22.18 | stew | jelly-home: certainly not |
| 22:22.26 | jelly-home | stew: ISTR there were issues with motherboard controllers |
| 22:22.54 | jelly-home | stew: hence the "crapload of cheap PCIe SATA controllers" thing |
| 22:23.26 | stew | jelly-home: well, i was hoping to not have to buy hardware other than the drives. for now, i'm going to fall back on the otther raid until more debt is paid off, then I'll probably buy a real controller |
| 22:23.51 | jelly-home | stew: $25 * 2 or 4 PCIe isn't that bad |
| 22:23.59 | stew | mrs. stew i ordered a new 300g ide drive to replace the failed one that started this mess |
| 22:24.07 | jelly-home | eh |
| 22:24.33 | jelly-home | 300GB sounds like finance-challenged ;-) |
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| 22:24.58 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, http://www.ntecs.de/blog/articles/2008/01/17/zfs-vs-hammerfs/ |
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| 22:25.46 | stew | jelly-home: it wasn't at the time i originally built the array |
| 22:26.44 | stew | and this time i could have spent an extra $10 to get it up to 500g or 750g or whatever, but i just don't need it. i really just need my array to no longer be degraded |
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| 22:27.09 | jelly-home | right |
| 22:27.18 | zorton | looking for documentation on installing a package from testing on stable |
| 22:27.25 | stew | zorton: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:27.30 | zorton | stew: thanks |
| 22:27.45 | stew | zorton: its not recommended to mix packages from testing onto stable without first backporting (unless you really know what you are doing) |
| 22:28.07 | zorton | so pinning is no longer recommended? |
| 22:28.08 | jelly-home | zorton: if your package is unavailable in backports repository, the next best thing is to create a backport yourself. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:28.15 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 22:28.15 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 22:28.40 | zorton | k |
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| 22:29.03 | stew | zorton: the problem is that for most packages, if you don't recompile the package, you are going to have to upgrade lots of (potentially core) libraries to testing in order to satisfy dependencies, at which point you might as well just upgrade everything to testing |
| 22:29.06 | lvh | I know this isn't really #debian, but #ruby is quiet (and somone might know): |
| 22:29.09 | lvh | If I run sudo gem install ditz -- where's it supposed to end up? |
| 22:29.32 | spx2 | I have a server and it has a dynamic ip connection to the internet,it's changing IP every time it connects,how do I make a dns for it in these conditions ? |
| 22:29.43 | valdyn | !dyndns |
| 22:29.43 | dpkg | from memory, dyndns.org is a free service that lets you map a dns name to your IP address and is especially good for people who have a dynamic IP address from their ISP but want to be able to access their home machines from elsewhere on the internet. Some ADSL modems have dyndns services in built, otherwise look at the package ddclient for debian. See also http://www.dyndns.org/ |
| 22:29.52 | mlLK | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.7 ; debian installer will let me 'pre'raid w/o installing any raid tools right/? |
| 22:29.56 | jelly-home | lvh: with debian's rubygems, the default gems path is somewhere under /var/lib AFAIR |
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| 22:30.28 | valdyn | spx2: or http://www.afraid.org/, and there is probably more services |
| 22:30.39 | eptalon | mlLK: you can setup raid with the installer |
| 22:30.44 | jelly-home | lvh: /usr/share/doc/rubygems/README.Debian |
| 22:30.55 | spx2 | yes |
| 22:31.05 | spx2 | but what do I need to set on my machine to have this dyndns hting |
| 22:31.15 | mlLK | so basically /dev/md0 is my only device |
| 22:31.20 | valdyn | spx2: read what dpkg said? |
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| 22:31.42 | valdyn | spx2: and/or read the documentation provided by the service provider of your choice |
| 22:32.09 | cire | How can I see the parameters a module was loaded with? |
| 22:32.20 | dutchfish | ps auxww |
| 22:32.30 | dutchfish | forget that |
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| 22:32.59 | joe-mac | why is preseeding so difficult |
| 22:33.54 | arice | hi all, im a windows user and still new at linux, i need help installing a program in my server, i want to install azareus via putty, i tried azareus forum but i didnt success to install. any help will be grate |
| 22:33.57 | amphi | cire: in /sys/module/<module_name>/parameters |
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| 22:36.59 | eptalon | arice: you are using debian on that server? |
| 22:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, guess you mean azureus - I thought that's graphical... if you're using ssh/putty to log in, how are you going to run it? |
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| 22:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, "aptitude update;aptitude install azureus" will install it on a Debian machine... not sure if that'll be useful for you, though |
| 22:38.21 | joe-mac | is there some kind of like, preseed file parser in debconf-utils? |
| 22:39.07 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: i downloaded a file called Azureus4.0.0.4.jar. i want to install the program so it can be remotecontrolled |
| 22:39.36 | eptalon | arice: java -jar Azureus... |
| 22:39.41 | joe-mac | sounds awfully magical |
| 22:40.07 | joe-mac | you'll need an x server on your client box, better off running whatever that command line torrent program is, rtorrent maybe it's called? |
| 22:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, there's on need for that... a debian package for azureus exists... also, as it's a java jar, you can just run it (as eptalon said) |
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| 22:40.38 | arice | thanx alot i will try as you said |
| 22:41.13 | n0mad | hmn help, il creted separate-second x sesion on second screen it starts ok, but i have no internet conection on it -sorry bad english- |
| 22:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, but as I said, it's a graphical client... you can't just run it in a shell... it needs some Xwindows server to display its window |
| 22:41.43 | valdyn | azureus has a command line client too |
| 22:41.54 | valdyn | with a web interface for graphical and command line client |
| 22:42.04 | cire | thank you amphi |
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| 22:42.31 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: i usewindows program called:vnc |
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| 22:42.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, I see only one azureus package, though... perhaps that contains several ways to call it |
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| 22:43.45 | grendal_prime | ok so i want to send a message to a user on a system..they are running an x session. is there a way to like just splash something on the screen of an active user? |
| 22:44.04 | valdyn | grendal_prime: man zenity |
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| 22:44.53 | grendal_prime | thanks man |
| 22:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, that could work... if you have a vnc server on the machine and use that to log in to it, then start it from there (not via putty) |
| 22:45.14 | mlLK | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto is really helpful |
| 22:45.47 | sk4 | fake |
| 22:45.53 | joe-mac | anybody at all here using preseeding who wants to chat? this thing is pissing me off thoroughly and would like some pointers |
| 22:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, sure... steal the authorisation from $HOME/.Xauthority and you're free to send windows as you want |
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| 22:47.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, you'll have to find out which user it is first, if there are several ... it's the owner of the tty coming FROM :0 as shown with "w" |
| 22:47.54 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: when i type java -jar vuze_4.0-0~getdeb1_i386.deb, it tells me that its unkown command. |
| 22:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, the you perhaps don't have java installed |
| 22:48.42 | arice | i installed java early today, how do i check if it was installed properly? |
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| 22:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, what java did you install? |
| 22:50.52 | arice | hmm 1 sec |
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| 22:51.54 | arice | Linux (self-extracting file) filesize: 19.18 MB |
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| 22:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, if it's suns java (which is probably still recommended), "dpkg -l sun-java6-bin" should show a line starting with ii |
| 22:52.06 | arice | its jre from java homepage |
| 22:52.19 | valdyn | arice: why the hell are you trying to load a debian package with java? |
| 22:52.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, there are packages for many many programs in Debian... using these saves you a lot of work probably work better and also will result in a tidier system... |
| 22:52.53 | arice | im just folowing ppl from google, i relly have no experenc of this |
| 22:53.06 | themill | !wayttd arice |
| 22:53.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, arice? |
| 22:53.16 | valdyn | arice: you could follow the 3 line docs at azureus.sourceforge.net |
| 22:53.20 | newsense | arice, if ya just want azureus install the debian package through apt and itll puill in the jre |
| 22:53.23 | arice | trying to run vuze with java |
| 22:53.25 | valdyn | arice: or just install the debian package |
| 22:53.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, how about "aptitude install vuze" then? |
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| 22:54.17 | format_c | Does anyone know why I get a segmentation fault with this C code: http://paste.debian.net/25408/ |
| 22:54.41 | cobra-the-joker_ | Hey there every one |
| 22:55.00 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean like this: apt-get Azureus4.0.0.4.jar |
| 22:55.12 | format_c | just 3 lines |
| 22:55.14 | themill | format_c: you can't modify a char* that was allocated in that way. |
| 22:55.15 | format_c | generic |
| 22:55.25 | format_c | really |
| 22:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, no! |
| 22:56.08 | arice | please explane |
| 22:56.47 | format_c | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, try "aptitude search azureus" for example - you'll get packages you you can install |
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| 22:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, I suggest you look a bit through http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.en.html to get a better idea how things work... |
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| 22:58.24 | cobra-the-joker_ | do i have to download the 21 CD to install debian :-S ??? |
| 22:58.34 | tarzeau | cobra-the-joker_: no |
| 22:59.02 | cobra-the-joker_ | really ...so what i download ? |
| 22:59.09 | stew | cobra-the-joker_: only the first, or a netinst. if you can get your machine on the internet, you can install any other software over the internet |
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| 22:59.35 | stew | cobra-the-joker_: the 21 cds are for installing on machines not connected onto a network, in which case, one needs only the cds actually contianing software one wants |
| 22:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, specially at http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html I guess ( which the preface recommends you to jump to for easy howtos) |
| 22:59.36 | cobra-the-joker_ | stew , so the other CD's is just software ? |
| 22:59.53 | stew | cobra-the-joker_: yes, all 16,000 or however many packages that are in debian |
| 22:59.53 | Shadow_Master | in order of popularity |
| 23:00.03 | arice | thanx |
| 23:00.03 | cobra-the-joker_ | lol |
| 23:00.11 | Shadow_Master | e.g.the last CD contains the least used software packages |
| 23:00.36 | cobra-the-joker_ | so ...that first CD will install gnome ?? |
| 23:00.41 | Shadow_Master | and often you don't need software after CD #3 |
| 23:00.50 | Shadow_Master | (or DVD #1) |
| 23:01.16 | stew | cobra-the-joker_: the first cd contains gnome. it is something you can optionally install (if you choose a "desktop" install) |
| 23:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, perhaps this is more appropriate: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ - you can type here in the irc window /msg dpkg grounding and look through that what's most appropriate for you to read... (all things in <> brackets are keywords you can ask the dpkg bot about) |
| 23:01.44 | stew | cobra-the-joker_: there are also kde and xfce versions of CD1 if you prefer one of those |
| 23:02.05 | cobra-the-joker_ | aha ....Ok |
| 23:02.47 | cobra-the-joker_ | is downloading debian CD 1 :D |
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| 23:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, admittedly it's a lot to read... but right now you're working against (or outside) the system that's made to make things convenient to you - in short - you search like with "apt-cache search vuze" - you get one result, the package name is "vuze", so you can do "aptitude install vuze" and Debian will install vuze and all other programs needed to run it (Dependencies) |
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| 23:15.41 | cobra-the-joker | does debian support USB ADSL Modems ??? |
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| 23:16.44 | simonrvn | !listvals usb adsl |
| 23:16.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'usb adsl' by value returned no results. |
| 23:16.57 | simonrvn | atsomething ... |
| 23:17.33 | simonrvn | the kernel does, yes. |
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| 23:17.56 | cobra-the-joker | i tried my device on ubuntu ....but it didnt work |
| 23:18.13 | cobra-the-joker | :( ...thats why i moved to fedora |
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| 23:21.45 | eptalon | dvdshrink runs fine from wine |
| 23:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you tried it on ubuntu and moved to fedora... and you ask in #debian about it? |
| 23:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | err.... |
| 23:22.38 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: there's soe info in the bot's 'brain' about it, i can't find it ATM |
| 23:24.00 | themill | !modemsmite simonrvn |
| 23:24.00 | dpkg | simonrvn: +++ATH0|<action> sets simonrvn to 7-1-Even) |
| 23:24.13 | cobra-the-joker | coz fedora is annoying actually ...and i wanted to try a more stable OS and faster too |
| 23:24.22 | cobra-the-joker | and i want to change to debian |
| 23:25.02 | simonrvn | themill: hehe |
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| 23:25.24 | cobra-the-joker | it worked only on fedora ...thats why i am still stuck with it |
| 23:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think switching distributions is generally a good strategy to get single things to work... |
| 23:26.50 | Shadow_Master | it worked fine for me though |
| 23:26.50 | jelly-home | yes it is! |
| 23:26.55 | Shadow_Master | :] |
| 23:27.09 | ex_pakalolo | fedora and red hat are better linux and freebsd better unix |
| 23:27.36 | simonrvn | linux is a kernel not an os |
| 23:27.47 | jelly-home | GNU/Linux is an OS |
| 23:27.55 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: it is as long as you switch to debian... |
| 23:28.08 | cobra-the-joker | ex_pakalolo , you are saying that fedora is better than debian |
| 23:28.10 | cobra-the-joker | ? |
| 23:28.17 | ex_pakalolo | i think |
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| 23:28.26 | simonrvn | jelly-home: details :P |
| 23:28.29 | ex_pakalolo | jelly whatever |
| 23:28.45 | simonrvn | jelly-home: ;) |
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| 23:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, pardon? |
| 23:29.18 | cobra-the-joker | ex_pakalolo , maybe in some cases ....but fedora is not stable at all |
| 23:29.19 | simonrvn | that's it, stick to 'em debhelper ! |
| 23:29.22 | ex_pakalolo | like is like |
| 23:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, ah... well... |
| 23:29.33 | ex_pakalolo | cobra-the-joker i agree |
| 23:29.41 | simonrvn | (just to add to the confusion) |
| 23:29.54 | ex_pakalolo | but red hat enterprise is stable |
| 23:29.56 | simonrvn | !rpm |
| 23:29.56 | dpkg | [rpm] Red Hat's Package Manager, and the file format for its packages. alien can convert a .rpm package to a .deb. converts to a <cpio> archive via the rpm2cpio command (in the rpm debian package) |
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| 23:31.26 | jelly-home | tries to find a debian question in the window but fails |
| 23:31.26 | themill | dpkg, rpm =~ s/Red Hat's/<reply>RPM is both the RPM/ |
| 23:31.26 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 23:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, that wasn't my point... you should choose the distribution because of ease-of use (e.g. apt), reliability , performance (gentoo?) etc, not because something works out of the box there and requires a little work somewhere else... |
| 23:31.30 | arice | when i try to use sudo it tells me command not found, isnt that a debian command? |
| 23:31.33 | vircuser | Piapa |
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| 23:31.39 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: I know :P |
| 23:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, it's not installed by default |
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| 23:32.18 | arice | ok, is it easy to just install it? |
| 23:32.18 | ex_pakalolo | arice try su after password |
| 23:32.22 | jelly-home | arice: also, after it's installed you'll need to configure it |
| 23:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, you should know after what I told you last :) |
| 23:33.19 | arice | hehe my brain gonna expload soon, too mutch to learn today ;) |
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| 23:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, there's nothing wrong with using su, then doing stuff as root or su -c, though |
| 23:33.54 | arice | allright i will try it |
| 23:33.55 | jelly-home | su -c is just a waste of a password input |
| 23:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, just as sudo, then :-P |
| 23:34.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if it's not configured to work without) |
| 23:34.20 | grendal_prime | ya that zenity works great on my machine. but ummm when i run it on the remote machine i get the typical gtk error. do i have to fowared x11 to get that to work? |
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| 23:34.39 | simonrvn | !sshx |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 23:34.41 | jelly-home | at least sudo remembers (by default|0 |
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| 23:35.29 | ex_pakalolo | arice just curious... debian or ubuntu? |
| 23:35.39 | themill | jelly-home: yeah, that's why I'm going to write that sudo worm that waits until the credentials are cached... |
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| 23:36.05 | grendal_prime | (zenity:7266): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:36.10 | grendal_prime | thats the error i get.. |
| 23:36.11 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 23:36.46 | grendal_prime | and ya im forwarding x11 |
| 23:36.51 | Daemonik | How can I have a certain amount of RAM act as write cache for a block device? |
| 23:36.55 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: no, you're not |
| 23:37.04 | grendal_prime | i am going through a debian router... |
| 23:37.12 | jelly-home | grendal_prime: or, in other words, ur doin it wrong |
| 23:37.17 | grendal_prime | i need the ...x11auth installed on that then. |
| 23:37.41 | grendal_prime | well, ya im sure i am doing it wrong... |
| 23:37.51 | grendal_prime | i have no problem with confession of that. |
| 23:38.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, well, check all the stuff in the factoid... |
| 23:38.26 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: im just checking and i can see that java was installed and there is folder called: jre1.6.0_11. is that the right version of java? or there is speciall one only for debian? |
| 23:38.54 | grendal_prime | which packages do i need installed on the router....hmmm ive done this before...thought i had already done it on that server...ok ill read the factoid thanks. |
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| 23:39.28 | jelly-home | suppresses the urge to !be a reading barbie |
| 23:40.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, you don't even say where you see that folder... dpkg -l \*java\* |grep ^ii will show you all installed packages with java in the name |
| 23:40.17 | themill | arice: did you install java using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 23:41.03 | ex_pakalolo | go away |
| 23:41.05 | simonrvn | waste of escape sequence |
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| 23:41.51 | themill | simonrvn: not if you're sitting in a directory with java-1.6b5.bin or some such |
| 23:41.53 | jelly-home | simonrvn: not in zsh |
| 23:42.00 | simonrvn | i think he went away instead. |
| 23:42.42 | simonrvn | i'd do '*java*', but that's an equal number of chars |
| 23:42.46 | arice | when i type:dpkg -l \*java\* |grep ^ii |
| 23:42.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, indeed! |
| 23:42.58 | arice | i get like 6 deferent versions of java |
| 23:43.05 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 23:43.05 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:43.11 | themill | simonrvn: I'd do \*java and know that there aren't any files that start with a * in there :P |
| 23:43.31 | simonrvn | themill: nyah :P |
| 23:43.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, smartass :-P |
| 23:43.40 | jelly-home | arice: pastebin the output. Make the command "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \*java\* |grep ^.i" |
| 23:43.43 | themill | takes a bow |
| 23:44.10 | themill | COLUMNS not needed when dpkg is in a pipe any more! Yay for progress! |
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| 23:44.15 | jelly-home | sleeps |
| 23:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, the output is automatically wide enough if it's a pipe, not a tty |
| 23:44.26 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: in etch? |
| 23:44.30 | themill | yeah |
| 23:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, think so, yes |
| 23:44.34 | jelly-home | w00t |
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| 23:44.37 | simonrvn | jelly-home: nighty night night |
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| 23:44.50 | simonrvn | night night |
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| 23:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, hehe... sleep into the next century... |
| 23:45.04 | arice | http://paste.debian.net/25412/ ...it looks like that |
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| 23:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, why do you actually bother with this, if you can just do "aptitude install azureus" to install it, like I told you... 2 times? 3 times already? ... and it'll pull in all needed packages (one of them is sun-j2sdk1.5, which you don't have) |
| 23:47.18 | themill | arice: so you're going to need to install java. |
| 23:47.29 | themill | !install java |
| 23:47.29 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives> |
| 23:47.51 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i did and it worked but azureus didnt start |
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| 23:48.20 | arice | i will show you the errors... 1 sec |
| 23:48.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what did you do to start it? |
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| 23:48.40 | grendal_prime | my bad...i used a lower case x on when sshing from the router to the box on the other side... |
| 23:48.57 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 23:49.11 | simonrvn | problem solved |
| 23:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, when you're at it, show us your /etc/apt/sources.list ... |
| 23:51.08 | grendal_prime | well sort of solved...its running the dialog box here..not there...im assuming i need to give it a display, but ummm i dont see anything illustrating the syntax. |
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| 23:52.21 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: i culdnt past the error codes into that site, too many codes and they get mixed. but to answer your question i just typed azureus in putty, i thought typing it in putty will make me see it in vnc |
| 23:53.11 | themill | *sob* |
| 23:53.29 | arice | ok i will show u the list 1 sec |
| 23:53.32 | simonrvn | !comfort themill |
| 23:53.32 | dpkg | There, there, themill. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 23:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, I told you that wouldn't work |
| 23:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... around ... 30 minutes to an hour ago |
| 23:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I also told you how it would work |
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| 23:56.41 | grendal_prime | soo i tried... zenity :0 --warning --text "hellow?" that doesnt work. |
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| 23:57.03 | arice | yes you toled me that i have to use vnc alike right? |
| 23:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, it can't, if you're not the user using :0 |
| 23:57.29 | grendal_prime | ok i guess i need to explain what it is i want to do.. |
| 23:57.34 | grendal_prime | better |
| 23:57.36 | arice | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/25414/ |
| 23:57.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | arice, you have to log in via vnc, and open it from there... /lastlog CutMeOwnThroat shows you just the lines with my nick in it |
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| 23:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | 94.75.223.121? and that works? |
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| 23:58.44 | grendal_prime | i want to log into the machine via ssh then run something on that machine that will splash a message up on the screen of the user on that machine. I know wall is able to do this in the terminal but the user of this system is in an x-session right now. |
| 23:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems it does :) can't argue with that |
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| 23:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime, I TOLD you what is needed... also >30 minutes ago |
| 23:59.35 | grendal_prime | sorry...i missed that. |
| 23:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you do that as root, you have to hijack the .Xauthority file of the user |
| 23:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | else you're not allwed to use his interface |
