| 00:00.14 | rebel_kid | dutchfish: the error screens told me to restart GDM when i have fixed the problem, do you know the command to do this |
| 00:00.26 | folken | lancelot_of: once gdm is started when you boot, it sets the background to the specified color. |
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| 00:00.46 | lancelot_of | folken, ok...so it's a default process |
| 00:00.50 | folken | lancelot_of: the background color is active until you replace it with something else, e.g. with fvwm-crystal |
| 00:01.08 | dutchfish | rebel_kid, /etc/init.d/gdm restart ? |
| 00:01.26 | lancelot_of | folken, ok, thanks a lot for your support :) |
| 00:01.39 | rebel_kid | dutchfish: sweet :) ty for the help |
| 00:01.41 | folken | lancelot_of: i hope i understood you correctly. |
| 00:01.48 | dutchfish | test3s, did you try to remove th elv and then create it again? |
| 00:01.55 | dutchfish | rebel_kid, yw |
| 00:01.59 | lancelot_of | folken, yes, you were a perfect interpreter ;) |
| 00:02.22 | lancelot_of | folken, thanks again and goodnight |
| 00:02.31 | folken | lancelot_of: same to you. |
| 00:02.37 | rebel_kid | dutchfish: one last thing, i see a "Debian" drawer inside applications. i like to keep to standard organization. how can i move all this where it belongs |
| 00:02.38 | lancelot_of | bye everybody |
| 00:02.57 | dutchfish | test3s, it looks like during creating the 1st LV, something went bad |
| 00:03.38 | dutchfish | rebel_kid, you have to ask a gnome user, i am not so convident with it ... |
| 00:03.49 | dutchfish | rebel_kid, i merely use KDE atm |
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| 00:04.52 | dutchfish | rebel_kid, did you boot from lvm2? or do you have a seperate / partition? |
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| 00:06.16 | test3s | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/25494/ |
| 00:07.13 | dutchfish | test3s, how many disks? and how are they connected through controllers? |
| 00:08.10 | stoned | testes. weird. I had a kid in highschool his name was Terry Estes. When we all got our emails at school it was first initial last name @ school.edu |
| 00:08.10 | stoned | his was testes@blah.edu for (terry estes) |
| 00:08.11 | stoned | lol |
| 00:08.32 | stoned | nm |
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| 00:09.04 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 00:09.58 | dutchfish | test3s, oh wait. Did you edit the partition table AFTER creating the physical volume? |
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| 00:10.11 | test3s | dutchfish: 5 SATA disks attached to a single HP SmartArray E200 controller. |
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| 00:10.20 | dutchfish | test3s, ok |
| 00:10.30 | folken | test3s: let me guess an ml-110? :) |
| 00:10.31 | rebel_kid | dutchfish: alright, and i have a single partition (and a swap) |
| 00:10.45 | test3s | folken: not sure. |
| 00:10.48 | test3s | stoned: lol |
| 00:11.20 | stoned | test3s, you're not terry are you? ;) |
| 00:11.55 | test3s | stoned: afaik, no. I've been dropped on my head a few times though. |
| 00:11.57 | simonrvn | you've got balls to say that |
| 00:12.08 | stoned | hahaha |
| 00:12.08 | dutchfish | lol |
| 00:12.12 | simonrvn | bah-dum-tssh |
| 00:12.44 | dutchfish | stoned, he could be morrow as well |
| 00:12.49 | test3s | this screename nvr gets old |
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| 00:14.15 | dutchfish | test3s, did you take a close look at dmesg output? this could be hardware related, and what kernel are you running? |
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| 00:14.58 | dutchfish | test3s, its not lvm2 it candle handle much bigger setups hands down |
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| 00:15.42 | rebel_ki1 | i have attempted to reconfigure xserver-xorg but the xserver still wont pick up my resolution (wide screen monitor on an hp laptop) |
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| 00:16.49 | stoned | rebel_ki1, ok, no problem |
| 00:16.49 | dutchfish | rebel_ki1, you could have a close look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it reveals why |
| 00:17.03 | stoned | rebel_ki1, nm dutch got it |
| 00:17.16 | test3s | I am running debian 5.0 with 2.6.26-1-686 kernel. |
| 00:17.25 | stoned | drxx however won't help you in this case |
| 00:17.34 | stoned | rebel_ki1, try xrandr -q |
| 00:18.09 | stoned | rebel_ki1, also, which video card, which driver, which debian release? how did you install the drivers? please also pastebin the logfile if you can |
| 00:18.28 | dutchfish | test3s, i suspect its not a lvm2 nor kernel issue but the driver, could you take a look at dmesg output? |
| 00:18.30 | stoned | rebel_ki1, also, which monitor? |
| 00:18.30 | test3s | dmesg shows "device-mapper: table: device 104:21 too small for target" and "device-mapper: table: 254:1: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed" |
| 00:18.31 | rebel_ki1 | stoned, that just gives me some output about my possible resolution |
| 00:18.40 | stoned | rebel_ki1, yes, is the one you want listed? |
| 00:18.44 | abrotman | you can use xrandr to change it |
| 00:19.03 | dutchfish | test3s, there is your problem, solving it is another thing |
| 00:19.12 | rebel_ki1 | stoned, im pastebin'ing the logs, i dont know my vid card/driver/monitor and im on Etch |
| 00:19.13 | test3s | that error msg is displayed once for every time I tried and failed to create a logical volume past 1.25 TB or so. |
| 00:19.19 | dustybin | echo "235223DEBIAN42RULEZ245235" | egrep --color '[A-Z]+' |
| 00:19.35 | dutchfish | test3s, right |
| 00:19.36 | stoned | rebel_ki1, you can find your monitor by opening your eyes a bit more ;) also, try lspci |grep -i vga |
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| 00:19.51 | stoned | rebel_ki1, that will give you your video card, we'll find out the driver you are using from your log |
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| 00:20.15 | Virtus | ehmm, quick question, will make run faster if I do, make -j8 instead of make -j4 on a single quadcore ? |
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| 00:20.36 | stoned | is the quad core extreme edition with hypre threading? |
| 00:20.44 | Virtus | nope |
| 00:20.49 | stoned | go with -j4 |
| 00:20.52 | Virtus | :p |
| 00:21.02 | simonrvn | you |
| 00:21.03 | Virtus | kk figures |
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| 00:21.07 | stoned | me? |
| 00:21.09 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:21.13 | Virtus | who? :D |
| 00:21.15 | dutchfish | test3s, Is it possible that you are using the wrong target type, e.g. RAID0/1/5? |
| 00:21.26 | simonrvn | you'll lose any benefit, and just bog it down with 8 |
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| 00:21.55 | dutchfish | test3s, cat /proc/mdstat would reveal that |
| 00:22.06 | rebel_ki1 | stoned, http://pastebin.com/m5118d144 is the log, and http://pastebin.com/m331f8925 is the result of xrandr -q |
| 00:22.15 | Virtus | simonrvn > yeah, I just needed to make sure, cause I really want make to go faster, 5 mins is a looong time! |
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| 00:22.44 | rebel_ki1 | stoned, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) is the output of lspci |
| 00:23.03 | stoned | heh |
| 00:23.04 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 00:23.05 | stoned | you're using VESA |
| 00:23.09 | stoned | you can't get widescreen |
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| 00:23.24 | stoned | do what abrotman said |
| 00:23.29 | stoned | you need proper gfx drivers |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | and which version of debian is he on? |
| 00:23.37 | stoned | he hasn't yet answered that |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: which version of debian are you on? |
| 00:23.49 | simonrvn | Virtus: are you for real? |
| 00:23.54 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, stoned, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a02] (rev 0c) |
| 00:23.57 | rebel_ki1 | and im on Etch :) |
| 00:24.03 | stoned | oh sweet, intel |
| 00:24.04 | stoned | you're set |
| 00:24.07 | simonrvn | kids these days.... |
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| 00:24.35 | simonrvn | Virtus: don't get into farming, or go hunting, then. |
| 00:24.40 | rebel_ki1 | stoned, so how can i set to gfx drivers? |
| 00:24.42 | stoned | forgot the driver name, just use that. you'll have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add a device section with driver "intel" I think |
| 00:24.54 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: aptitude install xorg .. use the i810 driver |
| 00:24.58 | stoned | I think its 'intel' could be like 910 or whatever that thing was, oh, 810 |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: how new is the machine? |
| 00:25.29 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, i didnt purchase it but i believe its an 07 |
| 00:25.47 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose intel |
| 00:26.08 | abrotman | and make sure 'xorg' installed also |
| 00:26.12 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, alright, right after i finish installing xorg :) |
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| 00:26.52 | test3s | ~# cat /proc/mdstat: cat: /proc/mdstat: No such file or directory |
| 00:26.54 | Virtus | simonrvn > ohh I'm real enough.. :p just tired and want to get my project done.... |
| 00:27.12 | test3s | dutchfish: ~# cat /proc/mdstat: cat: /proc/mdstat: No such file or directory |
| 00:27.15 | abrotman | Virtus: you can use -j8 if you like .. your system might get a bit loaded .. but you can |
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| 00:27.24 | simonrvn | Virtus: oh, that would explain the impatience then. |
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| 00:27.40 | stoned | didn't I already answer him? |
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| 00:27.46 | dutchfish | test3s, no, my mistake it is using dm instead of md |
| 00:28.00 | MikeH | Does anyone here use evolution? I'm trying to configure it to move deleted mail to another folder, instead of deleting it |
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| 00:28.03 | MikeH | any suggestions? |
| 00:28.11 | stoned | kmail here! |
| 00:28.18 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, installing xorg didnt ask which driver to use, so i didnt/couldnt select i810 |
| 00:28.28 | Virtus | simonrvn > compiling and lack of sleep is not a good mix.. |
| 00:28.30 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: install the other thing i told you first |
| 00:28.32 | stoned | rebel_ki1, you won't be able to, I told you you have to manually edit the conf |
| 00:28.44 | stoned | or you can install it all |
| 00:28.46 | stoned | whichever |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | he shuldn't have to at all |
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| 00:28.53 | simonrvn | set your trash bin, and make sure you made one ;). |
| 00:28.59 | dutchfish | test3s, i had a simular issue on a ML300, wich i solved by using a newer kernel 2.27.10 or 2.6.28 wich i compiled myself, also it solves some issues with ILO wich goot in my way on 2.6.26 thats why i am asking all those q |
| 00:29.03 | simonrvn | Virtus: no, i know, quite true. |
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| 00:29.34 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: get it installed yet? |
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| 00:29.37 | dutchfish | test3s, i dont know if there are fixes out there, but i gues you should file a bug report |
| 00:29.45 | test3s | dutchfish: no ask away - I appreciate the help... |
| 00:29.47 | stoned | I only installed minimal X + 1 driver + 1 input |
| 00:29.48 | stoned | heh |
| 00:29.52 | Virtus | simonrvn > tomorrow, I'm gonna try both, and time -j4 and -j8 and see if there's any difference.. then I know for sure :D |
| 00:29.55 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, almost |
| 00:30.11 | test3s | dutchfish: not looking forward to a kernel install - especially since I haven't done one since gentoo first came out... |
| 00:30.14 | dutchfish | test3s, i have not had the time to delve deeper int it, because using a newer kernel fixed my prblems |
| 00:30.28 | simonrvn | Virtus: i bet your cpu use will double ;). |
| 00:30.29 | dutchfish | test3s, its not that hard in debian so |
| 00:30.57 | Virtus | simonrvn > or I'll crash the server.. :D |
| 00:30.58 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, ok installed, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 00:31.06 | Virtus | make -j1000 :D |
| 00:31.09 | Virtus | wooho! |
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| 00:31.12 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 00:31.17 | simonrvn | yikes, no |
| 00:31.18 | test3s | dutchfish: you are recommending I try a newer kernel than 2.6.26-1-686 ? |
| 00:31.20 | dutchfish | test3s, you could fiddle with kernel boot options, but i think its dm/kernel related |
| 00:31.24 | Virtus | 2 sec compile lol |
| 00:31.50 | dutchfish | test3s, no not recommending, but i did, and solved the problem, the better way is to file a bugreport about it |
| 00:32.11 | simonrvn | Virtus: i very much doubt it, heh. |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: did it ask you this time? |
| 00:32.22 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, yes i selected i810 |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: select 'intel' |
| 00:32.31 | MikeH | simonrvn: was that in response to my question? |
| 00:32.36 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, erg... ok |
| 00:32.37 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: and when it asks you about the BusID .. leave it blank |
| 00:32.50 | simonrvn | MikeH: yes |
| 00:32.54 | dutchfish | test3s, i think my best bet is to file it against lvm2 or dm ? |
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| 00:33.29 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, the bus identifier isnt blank, delete it all? |
| 00:33.32 | Virtus | simonrvn > dont mind me, its the coffee talking ;) |
| 00:33.39 | MikeH | simonrvn: I'm unsure of how to set the "Trash Bin", I've played with just about everything I can think of. |
| 00:33.40 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: you're on an i386 box ? |
| 00:33.46 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, yes |
| 00:33.52 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | remove whatever it says |
| 00:34.08 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, kernel framebuffer? |
| 00:34.15 | abrotman | no |
| 00:34.19 | MikeH | simonrvn: One concerning thing is, I have Two folders named "Deleted Items" one which exists on my server, and the other (with a trash icon next to it) that I think Evolution has just made up |
| 00:34.19 | dutchfish | test3s, if you gone use it as production system, stick to stock kernels |
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| 00:34.35 | simonrvn | oh shit i was thinking of thunderbird/icedove |
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| 00:35.02 | dutchfish | test3s, for your info other distros came up with same problem when same kernel is used |
| 00:35.08 | Virtus | Hey, I was at a LUG meeting today, and someone asked if thunderbird could import outlook.pst files, is that possible? |
| 00:35.28 | Virtus | I suggested that he should get a IMAP account, move the old mails to the imap account, then import them into thunderbird |
| 00:35.30 | simonrvn | MikeH: likely |
| 00:35.36 | abrotman | Virtus: might want to ask irc.mozilla.org |
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| 00:35.37 | MikeH | simonrvn: I may be forced to move to thunderbird, however, I was trying to avoid it, due to the apparent lack of opensync support. |
| 00:35.42 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, still the same available resolutions |
| 00:35.45 | simonrvn | Virtus: that would work |
| 00:36.04 | Virtus | simonrvn > yeah I know, but can thudnerbird handle *.pst files? |
| 00:36.07 | Virtus | like import them |
| 00:36.07 | MikeH | But it's more important that I'm happy with my mail setup, I guess. |
| 00:36.08 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, wait i probably need to restart right? lol |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: did you restart X ? |
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| 00:36.15 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: yeah .. kind of hard to update modes when X is being used |
| 00:36.24 | simonrvn | do what abrotman said |
| 00:36.25 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, how can i restart X directly instead of the entire os |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: do you use gdm or kdm ? |
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| 00:36.59 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman, gdm |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:37.05 | MikeH | Hrm, probably not the right way, but I usually do ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | it will kill your X so save your work! |
| 00:37.51 | simonrvn | *BOOM* |
| 00:38.20 | rebel_kid | abrotman: lol, i had nothing to save :) |
| 00:38.23 | dutchfish | test3s, or you could settle with more then 1 volumegroup and smaller LVs |
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| 00:38.33 | stoned | man if x clients could find a way to hold on until X server returns it would be awesome |
| 00:38.42 | stoned | no more bullshit about saving work first |
| 00:38.54 | stoned | just turn on/off as you please, and always have your work there |
| 00:39.00 | rebel_kid | abrotman: still not back tho |
| 00:39.09 | dutchfish | test3s, but that would be unacceptable for me too |
| 00:39.12 | Virtus | Goodnight #Debian <3 |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | rebel_kid: so where is it ? |
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| 00:39.23 | MikeH | stoned: write some form of X proxy that'll keep the clients alive. |
| 00:39.25 | MikeH | :P |
| 00:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | re |
| 00:39.37 | simonrvn | re |
| 00:39.45 | rebel_kid | abrotman: after restart command im on black screen, processor is *slightly* active |
| 00:39.54 | simonrvn | takes a small nap |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | rebel_kid: restart the whole box |
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| 00:40.17 | dustybin | egrep --colour 'error|fail|warn' /var/log/messages <-- nice way to check your logs :D |
| 00:40.29 | rebel_kid | abrotman: :) kk |
| 00:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Just saw something weird.. I got a package that I compiled from source... when I run apt-get upgrade it's on the list of packages to upgrade... although it's the same version than what I built from the source package... what's causing this? |
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| 00:41.22 | MikeH | dustybin: whilst I'd love to see the result, it sounds pretty neat, I get no output |
| 00:41.26 | MikeH | which is surprising |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-cache policy foo .. paste it |
| 00:41.45 | rebel_kid | abrotman: x server failed to load |
| 00:42.03 | abrotman | rebel_kid: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg ... choose i810 |
| 00:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/f64198335 |
| 00:42.28 | MikeH | CutMeOwnThroat: I had the same issue with a kernel I built - I ended up having to "hold" kernel-image and kernel-headers |
| 00:42.30 | dustybin | MikeH: your log contains no 'error' 'warn' 'fail' words? |
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| 00:42.38 | MikeH | dustybin: apparently not |
| 00:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | MikeH, doesn't really seem to make sense, does it... |
| 00:42.52 | stinerman | hello all, i'm having trouble with a PCHDTV 5500 -- running Sid and a stock kernel (at the moment) -- everything seems to be in order in lsmod, but i can't get a signal ... and i live ~5 miles from a station |
| 00:42.55 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: remote takes precedence |
| 00:43.07 | rebel_kid | abrotman: remove all from busid? |
| 00:43.15 | zinx | stinerman: do you have an antenna connected? |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:43.31 | rebel_kid | abrotman: allocate any memory for the vid card? |
| 00:43.33 | dustybin | MikeH: i got one of my ubuntu friends to do that check, they needed to use 'more', they run out of screen space |
| 00:43.36 | simonrvn | it's the whatchamacallits ... man apt_preferences; apt-cache policy foo |
| 00:43.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? how? |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | rebel_kid: uhm .. 8MB ? |
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| 00:44.07 | stinerman | zinx, yes i do: Terk HDTVi (that's no amplifier) |
| 00:44.15 | MikeH | dustybin: On my Etch server, I get nothing, on my Ubuntu desktop, I get two lines :) |
| 00:44.22 | zinx | stinerman: and 'scan' (from dvb-apps) doesn't find any channels? |
| 00:44.22 | dustybin | heh ok |
| 00:44.34 | rebel_kid | abrotman: xkb rule? |
| 00:44.37 | zinx | stinerman: most programs require a 'channels.conf' generated by that |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | rebel_kid: whatever your keyboard is |
| 00:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's stupid... and I still don't understand it.. (reading on apt_preferences) |
| 00:44.52 | zinx | stinerman: MythTV might not.. but it also has some weirdness with scanning in some versions |
| 00:44.52 | stoned | just keep hitting enter |
| 00:44.59 | stoned | defaults should be ok |
| 00:45.16 | stoned | until you get to resolution/driver/monitor setup |
| 00:45.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | how does it tell it's different from remote a anyways |
| 00:45.31 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, what? |
| 00:45.36 | rebel_kid | abrotman: select resolutions or just leave them |
| 00:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt! |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | select the one you want ? |
| 00:45.50 | stinerman | the PCHDTV has a custom program that runs through the signals and it didn't find anything; i'll take a look at "scan" and get back to you quickly |
| 00:45.55 | stoned | use Simple configuration and pick the res you want yes |
| 00:46.10 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, what are you talking about? |
| 00:46.22 | dustybin | mythtv should really be compiled yourself from svn (use the fixes release), mythtv contains too many on going bug fixes |
| 00:46.49 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, nm i followed up |
| 00:47.02 | rebel_kid | abrotman: lol fatal error when starting gdm "no screens found" |
| 00:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, :) |
| 00:47.14 | abrotman | look in the Xorg.0.log |
| 00:48.06 | rebel_kid | abrotman, what directory, sry forgot |
| 00:48.13 | stoned | rebel_kid, /var/log |
| 00:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, so I should increase the version number when compiling from source? .... really seems stupid to me... if you make a package locally, chances are you don't want the one provided... |
| 00:48.41 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, hold it? |
| 00:48.49 | rebel_kid | abrotman: what should i be looking for? |
| 00:49.00 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, or pin the one freom the repo to a lower priority |
| 00:49.01 | rebel_kid | abrotman: i cant pb the hole thing... too much typing |
| 00:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yes, but then I won't see new versions rolling in |
| 00:49.03 | abrotman | something near the bottom that shows an error |
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| 00:49.24 | rebel_kid | abrotman: "no screens found" |
| 00:49.33 | abrotman | right above that |
| 00:49.35 | stoned | rebel_kid, grep for EE |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | rebel_kid: you can paste a file on paste.debian.net |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | use a CLI web browser |
| 00:49.53 | MikeH | simonrvn: Thanks, Thunderbird worked as I wanted it to, right out the box |
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| 00:50.01 | stoned | kmail ftw |
| 00:50.02 | rebel_kid | abrotman: "(EE) No devices detected." |
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| 00:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, what I don't see is how it distinguishes between custom-made and distributed one anyways |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | not useful |
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| 00:50.19 | stoned | rebel_kid, just pastebin, we'll figure it out |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | rebel_kid: use links and put the whole thing on paste.debian.net |
| 00:50.24 | rebel_kid | kk |
| 00:50.26 | rebel_kid | one min |
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| 00:50.53 | danielm[xi] | OH MY GOD! |
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| 00:51.17 | danielm[xi] | quantos usuários debian! :D |
| 00:51.17 | stoned | danielm[xi], yes? |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:51.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:51.29 | stinerman | zinx, there is no ATSC definitions file in /usr/share/dvb/atsc for my area (Columbus, OH); in any case as scan runs, it says that tuning is failing |
| 00:51.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting... so "oh my god" is "oh my god" in spanish as well |
| 00:51.59 | zinx | stinerman: you can use the generic one |
| 00:52.14 | zinx | stinerman: the channels around here are all pretty high |
| 00:52.26 | abrotman | the intel driver should work rebel_kid |
| 00:52.28 | stinerman | zinx, ATSC center frequencies? |
| 00:52.30 | danielm[xi] | i'm brazilian , CHAMPION OF THE WORLD ( FUTBALL SOCCER!) |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | the i810 in etch won't |
| 00:52.36 | zinx | stinerman: yeah |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | danielm[xi]: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 00:52.53 | rebel_kid | abrotman: ? how can i paste a file here? |
| 00:52.58 | danielm[xi] | abrotman, no momento não.... obrigado! :S |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | rebel_kid: use links .. paste.debian.net |
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| 00:53.20 | abrotman | danielm[xi]: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 00:53.30 | stoned | rebel_kid, install lynx/elinks/links2links and go to paste.debian.net, there is a place where you can select a file and upload it via a text base browser |
| 00:53.31 | rebel_kid | abrotman: im at paste.debian.net all i see is a pastebin (do i need to copy and paste it, if so how in CLI) |
| 00:53.34 | stinerman | zinx, still tuning failed or filter timeout |
| 00:53.43 | zinx | stinerman: for every channel? :( |
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| 00:54.13 | stinerman | zinx: ahh...lets give it time .. may have something |
| 00:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... a) still seems very stupid to me and b) best workaround really seems to be to increase version in a way that the next version will be higher |
| 00:54.15 | stoned | rebel_kid, there is an input field in that page at the bottom |
| 00:54.29 | stoned | rebel_kid, you can type in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and hit send |
| 00:54.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or have my own repro with higher priority |
| 00:54.50 | stoned | rebel_kid, also, install 'gpm' which will let you use copy/paste in cli mode, it makes the mouse work in cli |
| 00:55.05 | stoned | first thing I ever got to work on caldera was a mouse in cli heh |
| 00:55.09 | stoned | i was so proud |
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| 00:55.33 | rebel_kid | stoned, interesting |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | rebel_kid: before you paste it .. can you redo the dpkg-reconfigure and choose the intel driver, and try to restar tX again ? |
| 00:55.44 | rebel_kid | abrotman: sure |
| 00:56.04 | stinerman | zinx: ok i have a few nearby using scan, however, i couldn't get mplayer to play them (using stuff like tv://4, etc.) |
| 00:56.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh... "If two or more versions have the same priority and version number but either the packages differ in some of their metadata [...] , install the uninstalled one." |
| 00:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that's my case.. and it IS stupid |
| 00:56.41 | zinx | stinerman: you have to put the channels.conf in ~/.mplayer and use dvb://NAME (where NAME is in channels.conf) |
| 00:56.42 | stoned | seeminly |
| 00:56.55 | stinerman | zinx: ah, will try that and get back to you |
| 00:56.59 | zinx | stinerman: 4 might be WZXX-DT or something, for instance |
| 00:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure why any metadata would differ... it's from the same source package... perhaps some MD5 sum |
| 00:57.24 | stinerman | zinx: i take it that scan is building this file? |
| 00:57.28 | zinx | stinerman: yes |
| 00:58.27 | zinx | stinerman: redirect the output to channels.conf, it should output lines like: WVTM WX:701000000:8VSB:65:68:4 |
| 00:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, mine doesn't have the MD5sum SHA1 and SHA256 entries |
| 00:58.39 | stinerman | zinx: i think it just dumped to the terminal; looking for something like this?: WOSU-TV:617028615:8VSB:0:0:65535 |
| 00:58.43 | dutchfish | test3s, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux-2.6.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=device-mapper |
| 00:58.45 | stinerman | zinx: ah, yes |
| 00:58.46 | zinx | stinerman: exactly |
| 00:58.52 | rebel_kid | abrotman: "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 00:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what would be recognized as a version between 3.45-4 and 3.45-5? 3.45-4a or 3.45-4-1 or both? |
| 01:00.07 | rebel_kid | abrotman: oops my bad one sec |
| 01:01.49 | rebel_kid | is about to just stick with cli :) |
| 01:02.55 | dutchfish | test3s, this one fixed my problem: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=0e435ac26e3f951d83338ed3d4ab7dc0fe0055bc |
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| 01:03.33 | stinerman | zinx: mplayer seems to tune, but i'm getting noise on all stations (including WOSU, which is 5.5 miles away by antennaweb's calculations) |
| 01:03.55 | zinx | stinerman: :( |
| 01:04.07 | stinerman | zinx: v4l2: 1550 frames successfully processed, -1546 frames dropped. |
| 01:04.10 | stinerman | probably not good..? |
| 01:04.18 | rebel_kid | abrotman: would the (successful) xorg configuration file from my ubuntu install work? |
| 01:04.19 | zinx | stinerman: you need to figure out if it's a hardware problem or a software problem |
| 01:04.33 | zinx | stinerman: only way i know for you to directly do that, sadly, is windows |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | rebel_kid: maybe .. maybe not .. can't hurt to try |
| 01:04.47 | stinerman | zinx: heh, just about the same here ;-) |
| 01:05.06 | stinerman | zinx: well, you've got me further than where i was... i'll work on it from here |
| 01:05.09 | rebel_kid | abrotman: alright where is the config file.. i will just mount and cp |
| 01:05.17 | stinerman | zinx: thanks for your help! |
| 01:06.06 | abrotman | rebel_kid: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 01:08.15 | rebel_kid | abrotman: erros parsing the config file... one more thing and then its vesa for me, im in cli 95% of the time anyway |
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| 01:08.52 | dutchfish | test3s, and this one is related: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/lvm2-cvs/2008-06/msg00006.html |
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| 01:09.05 | abrotman | rebel_kid: the intel driver *should* work |
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| 01:09.16 | rebel_kid | abrotman: but it doesnt |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | rebel_kid: you can also IRC from that box and then paste in #flood if that's easier |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | i'd start with the config if you're going to use #flood |
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| 01:09.55 | rebel_kid | i will paste the config file, one moment |
| 01:10.19 | themill | if you have netcat installed, cat file | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
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| 01:11.00 | rebel_kid | abrotman: playing around with one last thing first |
| 01:13.16 | phorce1 | OK, I'm going to sound like an idiot -- but it's been a LONG time since I actually had to fix a broken raid. -- What do I need to do to the replacement drive for a raid-1 (software raid in debian) before I plug it into the system for it to be picked up and mdadm to start rebuilding it from the good drive? |
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| 01:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... going from 3.45-4 to 3.45-4-1 does not work, but 3.45-4.1 does... thx simonrvn / abrotman / stoned |
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| 01:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | was seriously starting to wonder why everytime I install a source package there's immediately a newer version in the repro |
| 01:16.22 | rebel_kid | abrotman: config file at http://rafb.net/p/i9Hpem72.html |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | two mice configed .. |
| 01:17.08 | abrotman | wants the log now |
| 01:18.34 | themill | abrotman: the two mice should be fine. I have an identical config that allows for external usb mouse (occasionally) but normally only touchpad. |
| 01:18.36 | superlinux | hello |
| 01:18.54 | coniptor | I currently have a raid1 between two drives and want to move my root to a encrypted root Is there a good reason to use lvm as well? |
| 01:19.24 | abrotman | themill: i know |
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| 01:19.47 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: sorry i lost power, i didnt get anything after i posted the link |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | wants the log now |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:20.21 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: np |
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| 01:21.10 | rebel_ki1 | ty whomever gave me the command to post to the net |
| 01:21.34 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/dEX4x138.html |
| 01:21.44 | Sweetandy | I love Debian for b43-fwcutter. Thank you Debian! You make my wifi love the interwebs! |
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| 01:21.54 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: not found |
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| 01:22.24 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/dEX4xl38.html |
| 01:22.34 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:23.07 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: ty for all the help, :) i have no idea how to do all this... but im learning |
| 01:24.10 | themill | is this etch or lenny? (I'm assuming etch) |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: update-pciids && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf .. then restart |
| 01:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | simple... you break it... and while spending all the effort to fix it again you learn to avoid breaking it... |
| 01:24.40 | themill | rebel_ki1: you also want to grab the etchnhalf intel driver for that card |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | themill: he did and is using it |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: we might have to tell the kernel how much RAM you're using, so it doesn't take it all |
| 01:25.14 | themill | oh... but it's not liking the 965 card... :( |
| 01:25.33 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: great... i need to mess with the kernel? yay more learning |
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| 01:25.49 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: it's pretty easy |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | (II) intel(0): Continuing with default 262144kB VideoRam instead of 16384 kB. |
| 01:26.35 | abrotman | that seems .. fun :) |
| 01:27.00 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: holy crap, why does it need that much ram |
| 01:27.05 | themill | yikes |
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| 01:27.14 | abrotman | it shuldn't .. that's the point |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | (EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low? |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | (EE) intel(0): Couldn't allocate video memory |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | especially given that seems the fatal error :) |
| 01:27.43 | rebel_ki1 | lol, maybe this is the push i need to kill GUI altogether |
| 01:27.44 | rebel_ki1 | lol |
| 01:27.56 | amphi | that's what intel allocates here |
| 01:29.58 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: YAY, it works and widescreen :) |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: can i get a cookie? |
| 01:30.17 | themill | !cookie abrotman |
| 01:30.18 | dpkg | pulls out the cookie jar and finds qotd216... the nvidia one-liner doesn't work for lenny <_ZeuZ_> abrotman, wow, didn't knew that, one more for my knowledge base... <abrotman> that makes one |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | not again ... |
| 01:30.25 | themill | :P |
| 01:30.41 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: what kind? |
| 01:30.43 | rebel_ki1 | lol |
| 01:30.48 | dutchfish | !coffe abrotman |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:30.53 | dutchfish | !coffee abrotman |
| 01:30.53 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of Peruvian for abrotman, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | beer! |
| 01:31.01 | rebel_ki1 | lol |
| 01:31.01 | themill | abrotman: you know you've made it when you find yourself in the cookie jar |
| 01:31.08 | themill | !beer abrotman |
| 01:31.08 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for abrotman |
| 01:31.18 | rebel_ki1 | xdcc sends abrotman a cookie and a six pack |
| 01:31.20 | themill | beer, coffee and cookies. What a combination. |
| 01:31.23 | rebel_ki1 | ty for the help abrotman |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: enjoy! |
| 01:32.34 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: ty, i will, i hope you dont mind me keeping these logs for future reference. i dont want to forget |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: fine with me .. but it seems pretty easy .. install the etchnhalf stuff .. and reboot :) |
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| 01:34.04 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: yeah but i went from asking #ubuntu what sudo is to what i know today :) ty again for the brain boost |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: you probably need a beer :) |
| 01:34.45 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: yeah i do... but im out.. next batch wont be done for another 2 or 3 days |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | sip early! |
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| 01:35.26 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: tried that once... NASTY lol |
| 01:35.27 | folken | free refils: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/beer |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | rebel_ki1: just a few days though ... |
| 01:35.50 | coniptor | Is anyone here very familiar with LUKS encrypted root file system? |
| 01:36.07 | rebel_ki1 | abrotman: hehe, yep... anyway ty for the help... time to go finish setting everything else up... 1 down 10k to go |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | later |
| 01:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | folken, buaeh... random beer... that can be quite horrible |
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| 01:37.57 | folken | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm.. honestly i bluffed. I don't drink beer... i prefeer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) |
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| 01:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean you could end up with *anything* |
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| 01:39.33 | abrotman | themill: get em! |
| 01:40.17 | themill | abrotman: was that your cue for me to torment gravity? |
| 01:40.24 | abrotman | yeah |
| 01:40.40 | gravity | runs |
| 01:40.58 | themill | throws modelines after gravity |
| 01:41.09 | dutchfish | throws a time riple |
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| 01:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws confetti |
| 01:41.59 | themill | dpkg, marry me! |
| 01:41.59 | dpkg | but I've been playing The Sims all day, and I've finally got enough friendship points to propose to someone else... |
| 01:42.18 | abrotman | gravity: actually .. is there a short bot-length description somewhere of how Xorg in lenny does its magic ? |
| 01:42.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, search for that too, no juice |
| 01:43.33 | gravity | abrotman: For which part of the magic do you mean? |
| 01:43.38 | coniptor | I have a pre-existing debian etch 4.0 system with latest updates that I want to move to an encrypted root. I have two sata drives in a software raid1 and two others as hot spares to work with. Does it matter if I use LVM or not? |
| 01:43.49 | dutchfish | abrotman, we need to studie the black art of udev i am afraid |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | gravity: how it is able to start X by "probing' at the hardware to get a functional X |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | yeah .. that made no sense :) |
| 01:44.41 | dutchfish | hal -> udev -> x |
| 01:45.20 | gravity | abrotman: So there's a lot of components to that. For choosing a video driver, it scans the PCI bus and finds video cards. It then takes the IDs from those cards and goes through each driver, one by one, and sees if any of them claim to support the driver |
| 01:45.25 | gravity | abrotman: Upstream does this differently, btw |
| 01:45.27 | gravity | sorta |
| 01:45.34 | dutchfish | doubts that that firs in a oneliner |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | gravity: i figured that much for the display driver .. |
| 01:45.57 | gravity | abrotman: As for choosing a resolution, it queries the monitor's EDID block using DDC and picks the best mode that the monitor itself claims to support |
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| 01:46.17 | CompWizrd | gravity: my old 22" trinitron supported 2048x1536 at 60 refresh, would it use that? :) |
| 01:46.21 | gravity | abrotman: It also checks against a list of known bad mode/monitor matches that are stored in-server (called "quirks") to do necessary overrides |
| 01:46.25 | CompWizrd | even if 1600x1200 as about all that was sane? |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | and it defaults to /dev/input/mice .. and matches the keyboard to the map chosen at install ? |
| 01:46.47 | creative2bad | hey all.. i'm having problems finding 'rar' in aptitude or using apt-cache search rar |
| 01:46.54 | creative2bad | can any one point me to the right direction please :) |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | !tell creative2bad about rar |
| 01:46.59 | creative2bad | thank you abrotman |
| 01:47.02 | dutchfish | creative2bad, in non-free |
| 01:47.05 | gravity | CompWizrd: Only if it actually claimed that. I think it does default to the highest res that the monitor can handle, but there may be a more complex heuristic. I've not read that code in a long while |
| 01:47.07 | abrotman | !tell creative2bad about unrar |
| 01:48.17 | dutchfish | gravity, is there nay docs wich explains udev in depth? |
| 01:48.47 | folken | /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules or something.. |
| 01:48.48 | dutchfish | gravity, or need i to go code walking? |
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| 01:48.56 | gravity | dutchfish: udev itself comes with abunch of docs |
| 01:49.00 | dutchfish | folken, yes, read that |
| 01:49.05 | gravity | dutchfish: I haven't read them though |
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| 01:49.25 | gravity | dutchfish: What exactly are you interested in? It's pretty simple in concept, although I don't really get the rules file format |
| 01:49.32 | rebel_kid | ok got the GUI sorted out now onto wireless, i dont even have the icon on the panel anyone got a good tut or some instructions |
| 01:49.43 | dutchfish | folken, i need a helicopter view of how udev does its magic, not how i use it |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | rebel_kid: right click ont he panel and add it |
| 01:50.11 | pdtpatrick | Hi all - i was using fedora and ubuntu before but now ive moved to debian .. and i was wondering, is iceweasel a replacement for firefox because im trying to install Adobe flash player and its being a pain |
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| 01:50.18 | rebel_kid | abrotman, that was my first thought, what exactly do i add |
| 01:50.27 | abrotman | network monitor? |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | rebel_kid: what is your wireless card? lspci .. look for it |
| 01:50.51 | gravity | dutchfish: The kernel emits uevents when a new device is plugged in. udev listens for that event and simply runs a matching action based on the uevent type |
| 01:51.00 | gravity | dutchfish: (at least I think they're called uevents) |
| 01:51.04 | dutchfish | gravity, ay |
| 01:51.08 | gravity | dutchfish: But the overall concept is pretty simple |
| 01:51.12 | rebel_kid | abrotman, 10:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 01:51.12 | folken | dutchfish: how does this sound? http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimer.html |
| 01:51.25 | abrotman | !tell rebel_kid about iwlwifi |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | !tell rebel_kid about iwlwifi etch |
| 01:51.33 | dutchfish | gravity, flokennice one, indeed |
| 01:51.33 | rebel_kid | abrotman, in network settings i only have the ethernet connection |
| 01:51.38 | rebel_kid | abrotman, ty |
| 01:51.45 | dutchfish | folken, ty |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | rebel_kid: so basically .. apt-cache search iwlwifi .. and install that stuff |
| 01:52.06 | rebel_kid | abrotman, ty |
| 01:52.46 | rebel_kid | abrotman, nothing there :( |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | uhm .. |
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| 01:53.11 | abrotman | rebel_kid: do you have non-free sources? |
| 01:53.45 | rebel_kid | checking |
| 01:54.07 | rebel_kid | negative |
| 01:54.18 | rebel_kid | sources line? |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | add "non-free" to the end of your regular debian sources |
| 01:54.40 | themill | rebel_kid: add "contrib" and "non-free" to the end of your mirror lines. |
| 01:54.46 | dutchfish | folken, do you know by change where i can also find more info about minimal/full initrd and its pros/contras (thats new to lenny too) |
| 01:54.55 | themill | rebel_kid: (without the quotes....) |
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| 01:55.26 | rebel_kid | so "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" ? or new lines |
| 01:55.31 | abrotman | yep |
| 01:55.37 | themill | rebel_kid: perfect |
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| 01:57.14 | rebel_kid | abrotman, ok firmware-iwlwifi installed |
| 01:57.47 | coniptor | Is there a better channel than this to ask about conversion to an encrypted root from a non encrypted root on a pre-existing Debian Etch 4.0 install with all updates applied? |
| 01:57.59 | rebel_kid | abrotman, next? |
| 01:58.03 | themill | rebel_kid: if you've installed the network-manager-gnome package, you can run nm-applet |
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| 01:58.54 | rebel_kid | themill, (nm-applet:4521): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 01:58.55 | rebel_kid | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | he'd have to unload the module then reload it .. or reboot |
| 01:59.29 | rebel_kid | abrotman, id prefer not to reboot, how can i unload and reload? |
| 01:59.32 | themill | duh. of course. |
| 01:59.43 | themill | is too tired for this... night folks! |
| 01:59.56 | rebel_kid | themill, ok goodnight |
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| 02:00.22 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
| 02:00.28 | themill | rebel_kid: have fun with it :) |
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| 02:01.46 | rebel_kid | abrotman, alright... then? |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | the modprobe it again |
| 02:02.08 | abrotman | check dmesg to see what it says about your device |
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| 02:03.40 | rebel_kid | abrotman, dmesg outputs a lot, but i dont see anything about the wireless |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | can you paste the last 10 lines or so ? |
| 02:04.17 | abrotman | which module did you modprobe ? |
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| 02:04.52 | rebel_kid | abrotman, abrotman |
| 02:04.54 | rebel_kid | oops |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | rebel_kid: rebel_kid |
| 02:04.59 | rebel_kid | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m391d3c0d |
| 02:05.13 | rebel_kid | wait, you just said modprobe -r, what module do i need to choose |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | and which module ? |
| 02:05.17 | rebel_kid | modprobe -r outputs nothing |
| 02:05.23 | abrotman | modprobe -r iwlwifi .. i belive |
| 02:05.26 | rebel_kid | kk |
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| 02:05.58 | rebel_kid | abrotman, not found |
| 02:06.05 | dutchfish | folken, its pretty old info, at least i know now that udevtest udevtrigger and the like are handled through udevadm, but anyway at leats i have something to chew on, and right my own |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | rebel_kid: paste the output of 'lsmod' |
| 02:06.56 | rebel_kid | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m6220307f |
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| 02:07.15 | abrotman | modprobe -r # |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | iwl4965 |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | modprobe -r iwl4965 |
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| 02:08.14 | rebel_kid | done |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | rebel_kid: now `modprobe iwl4965` .. check dmesg |
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| 02:09.32 | rebel_kid | abrotman, woohoo line about the wireless lol |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | now what? |
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| 02:10.05 | rebel_kid | abrotman, sweet its in my network settings, i think i can configure from here |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | rebel_kid: more beer! |
| 02:10.30 | rebel_kid | lol |
| 02:10.31 | rebel_kid | maybe |
| 02:10.46 | rebel_kid | one problem, its asking for a wep key |
| 02:10.49 | rebel_kid | and im on WPA |
| 02:11.02 | abrotman | it should allow you to choose the method of encryption |
| 02:11.57 | rebel_kid | http://i42.tinypic.com/11ui99t.png |
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| 02:12.20 | stoned | so I take it that you are into X now? |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | change the key type ? |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | i don't use network-manager .. |
| 02:12.42 | rebel_kid | stoned, yep, at least for now |
| 02:12.52 | rebel_kid | abrotman, how would you go about configuring |
| 02:12.54 | abrotman | though i'm not sure you are either :) |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | rebel_kid: i do mine in the interfaces file .. less flexible i suppose |
| 02:13.33 | rebel_kid | if you dont mind teaching, i dont mind learning |
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| 02:14.44 | rebel_kid | nvm, i think i found a tut on how to get WPA working |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:14.51 | rebel_kid | ty for all the help, your a lifesaver |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | don't tell my mom |
| 02:15.55 | rebel_kid | lol |
| 02:15.58 | insaneinside | abrotman: you have a mom? omg, that's... that's... <_< what? |
| 02:16.03 | rebel_kid | how old are you |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | me? |
| 02:16.11 | rebel_kid | yeah |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | way too old :) |
| 02:16.24 | dub | possible to set a default dir other than ~ in .bashrc? |
| 02:16.40 | dub | or do you make a script |
| 02:16.42 | rebel_kid | abrotman, lol |
| 02:16.44 | insaneinside | dub: add a command: cd DIRECTORY |
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| 02:17.43 | insaneinside | dub: .bashrc is just input read every time bash starts. |
| 02:17.54 | dub | ok, thanks |
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| 02:21.13 | dustybin | http://lwn.net/Articles/313341/ |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | dustybin: that's old news |
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| 02:27.06 | linux_stu | i am trying to use grandr to configure my laptop + external monitor. i want each screen to have a different screen/virtual desktop within the same X session, with the external display situated to the left of the laptop screen. |
| 02:27.26 | linux_stu | when i try to do this, it gives me the error "User set screen size larger than max screen size" |
| 02:27.38 | linux_stu | i don't know how to remedy this |
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| 02:29.07 | insaneinside | linux_stu: what graphics card do you have? |
| 02:30.00 | linux_stu | insaneinside, Integrated GMA 950 |
| 02:30.08 | linux_stu | it's an asus eee pc |
| 02:30.19 | linux_stu | right now i have a cloned image on the external display |
| 02:30.56 | linux_stu | but the laptop display is only showing the top left corner of the clone screen |
| 02:31.07 | linux_stu | it is smaller than the external display, so i guess the resolutions are messed up |
| 02:31.34 | coniptor | help |
| 02:31.51 | enouf | coniptor: not without more info |
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| 02:32.35 | coniptor | help, is enouf a bot? |
| 02:32.38 | insaneinside | linux_stu: i probably can't help much -- i was hoping you'd say nvidia. |
| 02:32.45 | linux_stu | oh ok |
| 02:32.54 | linux_stu | i think it has to do with my xorg config |
| 02:32.57 | abrotman | coniptor: ask a real question |
| 02:32.58 | enouf | coniptor: yes, i am a bot, i will pound you and lube you with oil |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:33.32 | enouf | dutchfish: nice url - and i grabbed that hammerfs url you posted some time ago ;-) |
| 02:33.46 | dutchfish | enouf, oki ;) |
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| 02:34.02 | bhundven | linux_stu: I have a 965, and I have to set Virtual X Y in my display section in xorg.conf to 2048 2048, then I can have an external monitor. |
| 02:34.08 | coniptor | abrotman: is enouf a bot? and I have asked my question, a couple of times |
| 02:34.10 | enouf | abrotman: you, like stoned don't realize how capable of taking care of myself i am ;-) |
| 02:34.11 | bhundven | er... 965gm |
| 02:34.13 | linux_stu | someone had said to add this line to the "Screen" section, but it causes my X to not be able to start. "Virtual 2304 1792" |
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| 02:34.25 | enouf | coniptor: i just showed up |
| 02:34.28 | bhundven | try 2048 2048 |
| 02:34.33 | linux_stu | ok |
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| 02:34.41 | insaneinside | abrotman: "help" is not a question. try something... longer. ;) |
| 02:34.42 | linux_stu | it says "no screens found" when i try to startx |
| 02:34.51 | enouf | coniptor: if you tell me you asked 15 minutes ago - i might scroll back |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | insaneinside: you're telling the wrong person |
| 02:35.16 | enouf | !tabsmite insaneinside |
| 02:35.20 | insaneinside | abrotman: oops, never was good at multitasking. :D |
| 02:35.20 | abrotman | enouf: with lube? |
| 02:35.31 | enouf | abrotman: yeah, sorry .. tmi |
| 02:35.52 | enouf | oh, hehe |
| 02:35.54 | bhundven | linux_stu: paste your xorg.conf to: http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 02:35.55 | linux_stu | lol |
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| 02:36.07 | enouf | abrotman: nice comeback ... you weenie :-P |
| 02:36.07 | bhundven | oh. fix it? |
| 02:36.34 | coniptor | abrotman: Does it matter if I use LVM when converting from unencrypted root to encrypted root? |
| 02:36.46 | enouf | Yes |
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| 02:37.01 | linux_stu | bhundven, http://rafb.net/p/AJ9TsV51.html |
| 02:37.02 | enouf | anything / is important |
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| 02:37.40 | enouf | well, i refrain coniptor -- i have not yet read your initial query |
| 02:37.44 | bhundven | linux_stu: yea. put the Virtual option *in* the Display subsection. |
| 02:37.55 | linux_stu | i saw another problem to |
| 02:37.56 | linux_stu | 8too |
| 02:37.58 | linux_stu | *too |
| 02:37.59 | bhundven | hehe |
| 02:38.00 | linux_stu | i will fix that |
| 02:38.23 | enouf | linux_stu: fix your wanton Enter desire |
| 02:38.44 | mordain | hi, can anyone tell me the name of the curses based tool that allows me to re-configure apt, including the choices of sources? i used it a long time ago and it came with debian |
| 02:39.06 | linux_stu | enouf, is that related to my IRC usage or my xorg.conf? |
| 02:39.22 | stew | mordain: it was called apt-setup, and its no longer offered |
| 02:39.31 | enouf | mordain: reconfigure apt? do you mean configure-debian? or maybe ..er.. dselect? |
| 02:39.34 | coniptor | enouf: Do not want your help. |
| 02:39.42 | enouf | linux_stu: irc |
| 02:39.48 | enouf | coniptor: ok, no prob |
| 02:40.00 | enouf | coniptor: wishin you well nonetheless |
| 02:40.03 | mordain | apt-setup sounds right, i guess tht explains why i cant find it, that make me sad.... lol |
| 02:40.23 | linux_stu | enouf, ok... are you saying i should condense my messages into fewer lines? |
| 02:40.41 | enouf | ~$ man apt-s |
| 02:40.42 | enouf | apt-secure apt-show-versions apt-sortpkgs |
| 02:40.42 | mordain | thx |
| 02:40.49 | enouf | yep, no setup there |
| 02:40.58 | stew | !apt-setup |
| 02:40.59 | dpkg | apt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead. |
| 02:41.05 | enouf | linux_stu: basically, if you can, yes |
| 02:41.52 | enouf | linux_stu: but i was judging on a very few posts/messages - so ignore me for the most part |
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| 02:42.14 | aidan | stew: yes |
| 02:42.18 | mordain | oh wow, thanks for th alternatives |
| 02:42.25 | craigevil | there is apt-spy |
| 02:42.31 | linux_stu | enouf, ok. i try to be conscientious. |
| 02:42.32 | coniptor | enouf: I doubt that given your earlier statement. |
| 02:42.38 | enouf | mordain: tab-completion is f'ken amazing ;-) |
| 02:43.14 | enouf | linux_stu: you loikely are - i recognize your nick, not like this coniptor clown ;-) |
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| 02:43.52 | linux_stu | enouf, heh |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | enouf: stop calling people names |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | for like the 10th time |
| 02:44.06 | enouf | abrotman: shut the fuck up you asshole ;-) |
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| 02:44.54 | pickcoder | hm |
| 02:45.04 | abrotman | enouf: you really need to stop calling people names, you do it to completely new people, and they may not understand your "sense of humor" |
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| 02:49.09 | coniptor | abrotman: I wish to move my root to encrypted root. It is currently software raid1. I have two hot spares. Is it as simple as copying the partition layout of the software raid1 disks to the other two and running cryptsetup with appropriate options on the hot spare root, updating fstab and grub and creating crypttab followed by rebuilding all my initrds? |
| 02:49.23 | JordiGH | I was futzing around with the iwl3945 module, passing a debug parameter to it, and now it seems to be stuck in that state! My dmesg is full of debug crap, and although the wireless associates and seemingly connects, I can't connect to either my router or the actual internet. |
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| 02:50.01 | pickcoder | JordiGH: unload it? |
| 02:50.28 | JordiGH | pickcoder: The debug crap seems to persist even between power cycles! |
| 02:50.42 | crunge | Sorry if this is the wrong chan. I built an iptables firewall and everything works fine. When I run bittorrent on an internal network host, the router will eventually hang. I was previously using smoothwall without issue and an install of smoothwall into a VM isn't revealing any settings that are significantly different from what I have. |
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| 02:50.51 | abrotman | coniptor: i'd guess you'd have to remove them as hot spares first |
| 02:50.54 | pickcoder | did you set the debug param by using insmod? |
| 02:51.03 | rebel_kid | ok... i guess im going to need help on this. i have a wireless card setup but i need it to connect to a WPA encrypted network, in config its only allowing WEP |
| 02:51.07 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.39 | newsense | rebel_kid, ya need wpasupplicant |
| 02:51.46 | coniptor | abrotman: ok, but once that is done everything I have learned searching around is correct for the current boot scripts? |
| 02:52.03 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I dunno.. maybe move the module file and run depmod -a then reboot? |
| 02:52.25 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Move the module file? |
| 02:52.31 | pickcoder | that's a bit beyond my debugging experiences |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | coniptor: you're going to have to google to see what the going plan is, you may need /boot/ somewhere non-encrytpted |
| 02:52.37 | pickcoder | JordiGH: or rename it |
| 02:52.43 | coniptor | abrotman: Also do the initrd scripts and init scripts expect a encrypted root to be in a LVM? |
| 02:52.44 | pickcoder | no .ko |
| 02:52.54 | rebel_kid | newsense, appears to be installed already |
| 02:53.21 | newsense | than use it :) |
| 02:53.28 | rebel_kid | newsense, how? |
| 02:53.33 | newsense | man wpasupplicant |
| 02:53.43 | newsense | orr look for manual pages using apropos |
| 02:53.55 | coniptor | abrotman: regarding /boot I understand that much already. I found a Debian specific howto detailing much of this but it it self says that it is out of date. |
| 02:53.57 | rebel_kid | no manual entry for wpa supplicant |
| 02:54.06 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Hmmm... |
| 02:54.06 | newsense | apropos wpa |
| 02:54.10 | JBstrikesagain | i need to be able to do direct mounts to /key but only /directory/key works with autofs4. i'm on lenny/testing, what is the best way to install just autofs5 from unstable on lenny/testing? |
| 02:54.19 | crunge | rebel_kid: this may help: http://www.google.com/search?q=wpasupplicant |
| 02:54.26 | coniptor | abrotman: found this among some other links: http://www.finnix.org/Debian_testing_on_an_Encrypted_Root_Partition |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | coniptor: i guess you'll just have to try it ... |
| 02:54.39 | JBstrikesagain | if it helps the behavior I'm seeing is described pretty well here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=145533 |
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| 02:55.31 | JBstrikesagain | but seriuosly why isn't autofs5 in testing? it's in RHEL for god's sake |
| 02:55.45 | pickcoder | JordiGH: hold on |
| 02:56.00 | coniptor | abrotman: I plan to. I just wanted to ask here and see if anyone had any dire warnings from experience. |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | don't lose your key? |
| 02:57.14 | JordiGH | ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
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| 02:57.56 | JordiGH | eh, this is so weird... I also futzed around with iwconfig, but there are no permanent changes I could have made that way, are there? |
| 02:58.12 | coniptor | abrotman: not like that, more along the lines of the init scripts expect this layout and are or aren't dependant on LVM being used as well. I don't plan to use LVM. That should not be a problem right? |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | coniptor: i honestly don't know, or know why you keep askign me |
| 02:58.51 | newsense | JordiGH, got a firewall blocking outgoing pings ? |
| 02:58.51 | pickcoder | I don't believe that iwconfig persists |
| 02:58.55 | coniptor | I ask that because all the docs I have found on google include usage of LVM as well. |
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| 02:59.35 | coniptor | abrotman: ok cause you responded. Sorry if I'm asking too many questions. |
| 03:00.12 | JordiGH | newsense: Unlikely, unless I accidentally installed and configured a firewall while I was playing with the kernel module and iwconfig. |
| 03:00.17 | pickcoder | JordiGH: did you try changing the debug level using rmmod and modprobe |
| 03:00.38 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Yes. |
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| 03:00.57 | newsense | JordiGH, hmm maybe i should have read up more on your problem before i offered a suggestion |
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| 03:01.18 | coniptor | abrtman: anyway. thanks for your help and consideration |
| 03:01.33 | ruiwen | Hi there, anyone know how I can run PHP5 in interactive mode in Etch? Running just 'php -a' |
| 03:01.39 | ruiwen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:01.47 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Except it looks like iwl3945 uses a weird debug system, bitshifting the masks.. 0x43fff seems to be the highest debug level; and setting it to 0 doesn't seem to make the debug crap go away from dmesg. |
| 03:01.51 | ruiwen | nor does it seem to do anything for that matter |
| 03:03.26 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I can't find any info on the debug param options |
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| 03:03.42 | JordiGH | At least I am guessing that "IN= OUT=wlan0 SRC=192.168.1.122 DST=244.0.251 LEN=68 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=48" is debug crap... |
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| 03:04.12 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I think it's only documented in the source. Want me to paste it and see if you can help me figure it out? |
| 03:04.22 | pickcoder | lemme just download it |
| 03:04.54 | pickcoder | which kernel |
| 03:05.08 | JordiGH | pickcoder: iwl-debug.h, and 0x43fff is the magic number that the iwlwifi devs seem to suggest to use for full debug output. |
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| 03:06.22 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I don't think it matters, but I'm using 2.6.24... it was working fine, but 2.6.26 doesn't associate, so I decided to boot .26 to try to fix it, and then I booted back to 2.6.24 and suddenly I see that debug crap in dmesg, and although the card claims to associate and I even get an ip address from dhcp, I can't reach anything with it, not even the router. |
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| 03:08.22 | pickcoder | I can't even find that module |
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| 03:08.28 | rebel_kid | i get this http://pastebin.com/m18f823c5 when trying to run wpa_supplicant (and when trying to run wpa_cli i get cannot connect to wpa_supplicant) |
| 03:08.33 | pickcoder | I found empty headers for it under .27 from bpo |
| 03:08.37 | pickcoder | er .26 |
| 03:08.44 | JordiGH | pickcoder: iwl3945 is the module... |
| 03:08.49 | pickcoder | I know |
| 03:08.53 | pickcoder | the headers are empty |
| 03:09.06 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Yeah, did you only get the headers? |
| 03:09.26 | pickcoder | I only have .18 source on this machine |
| 03:09.30 | pickcoder | it's not included |
| 03:09.38 | JordiGH | no, only from .24 on... |
| 03:09.45 | JordiGH | Let me just paste it. |
| 03:09.52 | pickcoder | hold on.. I'm waiting for updatedb |
| 03:10.00 | pickcoder | I'll just download the source for .26 |
| 03:10.12 | pickcoder | I want to see the code too |
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| 03:10.16 | JordiGH | As you wish.... |
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| 03:11.51 | pickcoder | 47MB on the way |
| 03:12.00 | stoned | hi pick |
| 03:12.03 | stoned | jordi |
| 03:12.07 | stoned | sup |
| 03:12.13 | JordiGH | stoned: hello. |
| 03:12.23 | pickcoder | hey stoned |
| 03:12.34 | dustybin | after ive mastered regex + BASH, i want to learn a scripting language, either, PHP, Perl or Python, what do you recommend? |
| 03:12.43 | stoned | all of them |
| 03:12.57 | dustybin | what would be a advantage to learn 1st? |
| 03:13.05 | stoned | perl 1 python 2 php 3 |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | dustybin: perl or python most likely |
| 03:13.19 | dustybin | right ok |
| 03:13.33 | abrotman | python is probablyu going to be easier |
| 03:13.35 | dustybin | 1)Perl 2) Python 3) PHP |
| 03:13.43 | stoned | bingo |
| 03:13.51 | mbent_ | 2, 1, 3 |
| 03:13.52 | dustybin | and PHP will be the easiest to learn out of all of them? |
| 03:13.53 | stoned | however perl is probably too difficult |
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| 03:14.01 | stoned | dustybin, yes, php is easy |
| 03:14.10 | dustybin | so easy first, or hardest first? |
| 03:14.12 | stoned | dustybin, in fact you can use php to create non html apps |
| 03:14.13 | zxcvbs | hi, after reading project source codes (gnu telnet, links, lynx), i become Socrates. dont understand nothing. i will really need, to learn a language, to ups his bottoms. What im trying to learn is tcp level networking -protocols, sockets), what language do you recommend me python or C. and why? |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | beginning perl is easy .. it's the people that make it ugly on purpose that make it hard :) |
| 03:14.15 | mbent_ | dusty, python. |
| 03:14.30 | stoned | if you want you can start with php and write your script in it |
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| 03:14.37 | stoned | if you already know php, you can use it to make gui apps too |
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| 03:14.46 | stoned | there is php-gtk, php-qt, php-cli |
| 03:14.51 | stoned | no need for a webserver |
| 03:14.55 | mbent_ | php-gtk is win |
| 03:14.57 | dustybin | ok |
| 03:15.31 | stoned | qt isn't bad |
| 03:15.43 | stoned | lot cleaner |
| 03:15.47 | dustybin | Once i mastered Perl, would it be pretty easy to master Python and PHP with my knowledge of knowing Perl? |
| 03:15.48 | JordiGH | pickcoder: what's your d/l speed? |
| 03:15.56 | stoned | dustybin, mastered? never |
| 03:16.23 | dustybin | heh ok |
| 03:16.23 | JordiGH | dustybin: No. Perl is nothing like Python. |
| 03:16.23 | dustybin | ok |
| 03:16.23 | stoned | dustybin, its the fundamentals of programming, program & application design |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | really .. python |
| 03:16.23 | dustybin | yep |
| 03:16.37 | JordiGH | dustybin: Which regexes did you learn? Perl is maximally optimised for regexing. |
| 03:16.37 | mbent_ | learn python if you want to write apps |
| 03:16.38 | stoned | dustybin, learn those, the rest is dependant on language specifications, api documetation |
| 03:16.46 | mbent_ | learn perl if you want to come up with epic one liners |
| 03:16.51 | zxcvbs | py or c? |
| 03:16.58 | stoned | like I can pick up any language just like that, no big deal. The key is knowing how to program |
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| 03:17.09 | stoned | start with any language, it doesn't really matter |
| 03:17.16 | stoned | pick one and go with it |
| 03:17.18 | dustybin | i would like to know how all of them work, i dont need any of them in particular, i just wondered what the best one to start off with would be |
| 03:17.21 | mbent_ | zxcvbs, pascal |
| 03:17.26 | zxcvbs | i know pascal |
| 03:17.28 | zxcvbs | delphi |
| 03:17.30 | stoned | why not fortran mbent_ :) |
| 03:17.35 | stoned | fortran77! |
| 03:17.48 | zxcvbs | but im towards a more low level network direction |
| 03:18.09 | dustybin | is it possible for a single human to learn BASH, PHP, Perl, and Python? Or is that too much for a single human brain to handle? |
| 03:18.14 | pickcoder | JordiGH: ~90K from backports |
| 03:18.23 | pickcoder | 73% |
| 03:18.25 | zxcvbs | and all the code is in C, and manuals too . yet Python will serve? |
| 03:18.25 | mbent_ | zxcvbs, learn lisp then, its better for that |
| 03:18.29 | abrotman | dustybin: that depends on you .. just go start learning |
| 03:18.29 | stoned | dustybin, the human mind is capable of storing a lot more informatino than that |
| 03:18.47 | zxcvbs | tried something with drscheme, if you reffer to functional |
| 03:18.56 | dustybin | stoned: i will blame you if i go bald and grow a long greying beard :P |
| 03:18.56 | stoned | dustybin, being a good programmer is being able to think clearly, not knowing the syntax of a langauge |
| 03:18.57 | schme | mornin' |
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| 03:18.59 | zxcvbs | but py doesnt have functional? |
| 03:19.21 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I really don't get how I could have managed to make a change that persists between reboots with only iwconfig, iwlist, and modprobe. :-/ |
| 03:19.33 | lfaraone | Hey, how hard is it to convert a running ubuntu system to debian lenny assuming we can't boot off anything, including network? |
| 03:19.36 | stoned | logic and theory, design and application, not language constructs and syntax and apis |
| 03:19.52 | stoned | you should start with python, its the most awesomest in scripting lingos |
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| 03:20.15 | JordiGH | lfaraone: It's more or less impossible, because they are different distributions. |
| 03:20.28 | dustybin | the once all the scripting languages are out the way, one can start on the hardcore stuff like C / C++ |
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| 03:20.30 | stoned | go to wikibooks and check out some python, some perl, some php, figure out stuff |
| 03:20.30 | abrotman | awesomest ? |
| 03:20.38 | stoned | most awesome |
| 03:20.41 | stoned | same thing |
| 03:20.53 | abrotman | i just meant .. that's a high pedestal for python :) |
| 03:21.03 | stoned | hehe yeh it is pretty good |
| 03:21.11 | lfaraone | JordiGH: I understand, and don't care if everyhting is wiped. |
| 03:21.12 | dustybin | are parts of debian written in py ? |
| 03:21.24 | abrotman | dustybin: yes |
| 03:21.25 | stoned | debian itself? lots of stuff |
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| 03:21.52 | stoned | you got python, perl, bash, some more python |
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| 03:22.05 | JordiGH | lfaraone: Pretty much everything has to be wiped. Ubuntu uses a different core system than Debian; they've diverged too much. You might as well ask us how to turn Ubuntu into Red Hat. I guess you could do it in a chroot, but it's not pleasant. |
| 03:22.07 | stoned | man its a shit load |
| 03:22.10 | lfaraone | dustybin: Nasa uses python. Google and youtubee use python. |
| 03:22.25 | lfaraone | JordiGH: ok, how do I install debian from a running UNIX system? |
| 03:22.25 | stoned | django is a good fw too |
| 03:22.38 | stoned | lfaraone, /msg dpkg ig (read chapter 5) |
| 03:22.44 | stoned | I think its in chap 5 |
| 03:22.47 | dustybin | lfaraone: thats what they say, really they use MS Visual Basic :P |
| 03:22.49 | schme | lfaraone: take a look at debootstrap. |
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| 03:23.35 | zxcvbs | the situation is me, unix networking books (the bast in c, asm too ;( ), will py serveme, i want to write small socket apps, web servers, clients, bots for educational purporses. Im looking for portability, py, java, or C? |
| 03:24.02 | stoned | oop, its chapter 3 |
| 03:24.04 | lfaraone | I'm going to be messing a bit with PAM on a remote machine-i-can't-touch, how can I leave myself a way back in if I lock myself out due to PAM misconfigs? |
| 03:24.12 | dustybin | 'bots for educational purporses' o_0 |
| 03:24.18 | stoned | I knew it was one of em, I hadn't used that guide in a long time |
| 03:24.19 | JordiGH | lfaraone: eh, I don't think that's possible. At least, not by mere mortals. What's wrong with rebooting? |
| 03:24.36 | zxcvbs | educational purporses=first learn, last apply something |
| 03:25.13 | mbent_ | zxcvbs, learn bf - http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ |
| 03:25.42 | schme | zxcvbs: Depends on what you mean by portability there. |
| 03:25.48 | stoned | you know one you know the basics of proraming and object oriented design you can just jump into any language, there really isn't any more theory left. just go look up the docs, use the classes/methods etc. listed and get into it |
| 03:25.50 | lfaraone | JordiGH: what, PAM, or Unix install? |
| 03:26.02 | stoned | once* |
| 03:26.05 | lfaraone | JordiGH: if it's the latter, I found http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 03:26.28 | schme | stoned: That's not quite right ;) |
| 03:26.47 | stoned | yes, yes it is |
| 03:26.49 | rebel_kid | im not finding any good docs on wpa_supplicant and all im getting with the man pages is frustrated |
| 03:26.54 | abrotman | stoned: no, not really |
| 03:27.05 | stoned | and whats wrong with this/ |
| 03:27.15 | schme | stoned: Nah man. How does the basics of programming and OO help you to hack say prolog or sml ? |
| 03:27.16 | abrotman | stoned: how would that help you with say .. ASM? COBOL? RPG? |
| 03:27.19 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place... |
| 03:27.25 | abrotman | (don't get me started on OO Cobol) |
| 03:27.26 | rebel_kid | does anyone have a good doc or some advice |
| 03:27.35 | stoned | how would that help with lisp, haskell, multiparadigm langauges |
| 03:27.39 | stoned | functional languages? |
| 03:27.42 | stoned | it wouldn't obviously. |
| 03:27.47 | JordiGH | pickcoder: debug=0 should mean no, debug, wouldn't you say? |
| 03:27.50 | schme | lisp is FP now? |
| 03:27.51 | schme | cool. |
| 03:27.53 | stoned | I'm talking about in the context of python/perl/php |
| 03:27.56 | zxcvbs | i was thinking of c, cause all linux is c written, excuse not portability, adaptability, a multi purporse language |
| 03:27.56 | abrotman | rebel_kid: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA ? |
| 03:27.57 | stoned | from before |
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| 03:28.09 | schme | stoned: Well of course, yes. Then it's all the same. |
| 03:28.16 | stoned | then thats what I'm talking about :) |
| 03:28.17 | pickcoder | JordiGH: /sys/bus/pci/drivers/iwl/ |
| 03:28.18 | schme | zxcvbs: C is great fun. |
| 03:28.34 | pickcoder | should be a file in there to show info |
| 03:28.38 | schme | zxcvbs: python is much boring. |
| 03:28.47 | stoned | nah, as scripting goes, its very nice |
| 03:28.47 | zxcvbs | boring? |
| 03:28.49 | rgr | can anyone suggest why "screen" is ignoring the standard keys in a terminal. e.g "C-a s" etc. I'm wondering if I sometime in the past redefined the bash key handling. |
| 03:29.00 | rebel_kid | schme, i disagree with that, python is far from boring |
| 03:29.10 | schme | rebel_kid: Of course, people disagree with me all the time. |
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| 03:29.35 | stoned | schme, how did you decide on your nickname? |
| 03:29.42 | JordiGH | pickcoder: What about it? |
| 03:29.54 | pickcoder | for current debug |
| 03:29.58 | rgr | schme: I'm not surprised. C is as mundane and close to assembler as you can get.. Where as python offers oodles of ways of attacking a problem. If you dont think python is interesting then the word needs redefining :-; |
| 03:30.00 | schme | zxcvbs: C is not the easiest language to use for writing portable applications though. But again it depends on what portability means to you. |
| 03:30.06 | rebel_kid | schme, lol sma ehere |
| 03:30.11 | rebel_kid | same* |
| 03:30.12 | stoned | luke skywalker's grandma's name was schme in star wars, blah blha anyway |
| 03:30.21 | stoned | its a cool name |
| 03:30.37 | rgr | Ayone suggest why default "screen" keys dont work here? |
| 03:30.39 | zxcvbs | portability means, c is in all places, gcc is a default, |
| 03:30.52 | stoned | c is of course everywhere |
| 03:30.54 | schme | rgr: I don't think I've ever seen anytthing interesting about python at all. But nevermind :) |
| 03:31.01 | rebel_kid | abrotman, alright this is getting frustrating what else can i use besides wep and wpa that is secure, this is too much bs for one simple network connection, ubuntu supports this out of the box |
| 03:31.06 | \amethyst | rgr: maybe the escape key is set to something else, perhaps in your .screenrc ? |
| 03:31.11 | \amethyst | rgr: do you have a .screenrc? |
| 03:31.14 | schme | stoned: I stabbed random keys on the keyboard. It is not related to me hacking scheme. |
| 03:31.17 | zxcvbs | but i think a more modern language, will helpme much, than trying to solve problems with a shootgun |
| 03:31.27 | abrotman | rebel_kid: WEP isn't really secure .. and WPA should work for you |
| 03:31.42 | zxcvbs | bash is everywhere too |
| 03:31.42 | rgr | \amethyst: big kiss. Doh. It had emacs settings from way back. |
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| 03:31.43 | stoned | wep is secure enough for non techies |
| 03:31.44 | schme | zxcvbs: Still writing code in C that runs just well on windows and unices for example.. can be troublesome. |
| 03:31.51 | schme | zxcvbs: modern languages.. pfft. :) |
| 03:32.19 | pizza_ | how can i find out what package a binary belongs to? some one-letter option to dpkg iirc... |
| 03:32.21 | schme | zxcvbs: Pick a random one, decide what you wanna write, go have fun. It's all good. |
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| 03:32.25 | rebel_kid | abrotman, is there no step by step tutorial? something simple? |
| 03:32.25 | rgr | zxcvbs: try Haskell. Just keep a loaded gun handy. |
| 03:32.34 | abrotman | rebel_kid: the wiki page didn't help at all? |
| 03:32.45 | schme | zxcvbs: But some languages are very bad for certain things :) |
| 03:32.46 | stoned | if you live in a old people neighbourhood with your grandparents and your neighbours are retired old people you have nothing to worry about except the war drivers, and then again on second thought, those neighbourhoods are actually probably where the war drivers go anyway |
| 03:32.50 | JordiGH | pickcoder: ah, neato, the parameters are there... |
| 03:32.52 | rgr | WEP isn't at all secure and should never be used. |
| 03:33.09 | JordiGH | pickcoder: but /sys isn't real files, is it? I thought it was like /proc? |
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| 03:33.14 | schme | rgr: Haskell I find much more interesting than python, I might add. |
| 03:33.28 | pickcoder | they're runtime generated/modifiable |
| 03:33.29 | stoned | you guys probably want to go to ##programming now |
| 03:33.32 | schme | Ya. |
| 03:33.36 | stoned | thanks |
| 03:33.44 | gravity | pizza_: I use dpkg -S /path/to/your/binary |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | rebel_kid: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 .. seems to have some samples .. long file though |
| 03:33.49 | schme | Actually I want to go to ##kitchen to grep for breakfast and coffee |
| 03:33.51 | JordiGH | pickcoder: So that's where I made the permanent chang? |
| 03:33.53 | \amethyst | JordiGH: they are virtual files, not preserved |
| 03:34.07 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I'm not sure |
| 03:34.19 | pizza_ | gravity: thanks |
| 03:34.21 | stoned | gravity, did you do 7.4 in experimental? |
| 03:34.24 | \amethyst | JordiGH: what did you set in /sys ? |
| 03:34.31 | gravity | stoned: No. I'm totally away from Debian still. |
| 03:34.34 | debianour | During apt-upgrade, system failed to upgrade package "mbmon". Error msg: Stopping motherboard sensor monitoring daemon: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 446: 5689 Terminated "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@". How to fix this? |
| 03:34.35 | stoned | aww |
| 03:34.46 | gravity | Not sure if I can come back and do Xorg stuff. It takes insane amounts of time that I just don't have. |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | gravity: get rid of school/job/gf .. |
| 03:35.18 | stoned | yup, what he said |
| 03:35.18 | JordiGH | \amethyst: I passed a debug param to a module, and it's seemingly persistent between power cycles, because my dmesg is full of crap |
| 03:35.19 | rebel_kid | abrotman, if no experienced debian users write tutorials how can i be expected to figure this out, i just spent an hour setting up a GUI, and now this for WPA, whats next 3 hours setting up gedit? |
| 03:35.20 | gravity | abrotman: Believe me, Xorg is not worth that |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | gravity: i was joking! |
| 03:35.34 | stoned | gravity, oh trust me, we know |
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| 03:35.42 | gravity | abrotman: I know, but I'm also joking about how much pain Xorg is :-) |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | rebel_kid: plenty of people use wpa_supplicant .. i'm not one of them, my wifi is too old |
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| 03:36.13 | pickcoder | you can also cat /proc/net/iwl/debug_level |
| 03:36.14 | schme | the schme tip of the day: always keep a backup of your dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:36.24 | stoned | why? |
| 03:36.27 | simonrvn | gravity: hey buddy |
| 03:36.30 | JordiGH | pickcoder: /proc/net/iwl doesn't exist@ |
| 03:36.32 | stoned | do weekly / snapshots... |
| 03:36.33 | JordiGH | ! |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | rebel_kid: from what that file says .. it seems you add "wpa-ssid <SSID>" and "wpa-psk <secret>" |
| 03:36.40 | pickcoder | then it's not defined in the kernel |
| 03:36.47 | pickcoder | which is good |
| 03:36.48 | gravity | simonrvn: Heya! How're you doing? |
| 03:36.58 | schme | stoned: What use are the snapshots for getting shit installed though? |
| 03:37.13 | rebel_kid | abrotman, add to what? |
| 03:37.15 | simonrvn | gravity: pretty good. life treating you good? |
| 03:37.19 | gravity | may end up working on perl stuff instead, of all things |
| 03:37.27 | abrotman | rebel_kid: /etc/network/interfaces .. for the interface you're trying to alter |
| 03:37.28 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I really wish I knew what I messed up; it's rather bewildering to not be able to connect to anything when I could before. |
| 03:37.40 | gravity | simonrvn: Yeah, very well thank you. I graduated and found myself a new job a few weeks ago, so things are pretty hectic :-) |
| 03:37.45 | simonrvn | was reading scrollback |
| 03:37.57 | abrotman | graduated again? |
| 03:38.02 | simonrvn | gravity: omg, congrats man, on graduating :) |
| 03:38.25 | debianour | what is LSB-compliant when referring to script? |
| 03:38.31 | pickcoder | based on the code it just looks for a non-null debug level |
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| 03:38.53 | gravity | simonrvn: Thanks :-) |
| 03:39.11 | gravity | abrotman: It's the first time in over six years :-) |
| 03:39.15 | gravity | abrotman: And hopefully the last |
| 03:39.21 | rebel_kid | cya'll, nice trip but im back to ubuntu for my desktops.... debian can stay a server OS for me |
| 03:39.33 | simonrvn | gravity: perl, eh? gotta find something to replace to drosophila? :P |
| 03:39.36 | abrotman | gravity: you could go back for something unrelated .. like uh .. computer science :) |
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| 03:39.57 | gravity | simonrvn: Heh, well that's what the people in my lab are using to do work, so I'm having to use it too. Which means I have to really learn it for the first time |
| 03:40.02 | gravity | abrotman: I kinda am actually :-) |
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| 03:40.25 | simonrvn | gravity: still, eh? cool |
| 03:40.28 | gravity | abrotman: Hence the perl |
| 03:40.36 | pickcoder | JordiGH: how did you set the debug to zero? |
| 03:40.45 | gravity | simonrvn: yeah, it's kind of weird |
| 03:41.14 | schme | make menuconfig, and the game is a foot |
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| 03:41.28 | simonrvn | gravity: being living creatures, you can learn a lot from them ;). |
| 03:41.47 | gravity | simonrvn: Ha! |
| 03:41.52 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Yeah... but I'm still getting craploads of debug output in dmesg... maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, or maybe 0 debug doesn't mean no debug. :-/ |
| 03:42.04 | stoned | enouf, ping |
| 03:42.05 | JordiGH | pickcoder: It looks like iwl3945 is oral tradition, ack. |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | stoned: he cannot reply |
| 03:42.32 | stoned | oh no way |
| 03:42.37 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Now I have wifi broken in both 2.6.24 and 2.6.26; guess I might as well carry on and try to fix it in 2.6.26 :-/ |
| 03:42.39 | stoned | don't tell you ya'll were fuckin each other |
| 03:42.41 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 03:42.49 | gravity | ew |
| 03:42.51 | stoned | alright, whatever |
| 03:43.00 | stoned | i see now in the banlist |
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| 03:43.10 | stoned | oh boy |
| 03:43.18 | pickcoder | JordiGH: I mean on the command line.. how did you try to clear the debug level |
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| 03:43.39 | stoned | so it wasn't 10min I'm guessing? ban was placed a long time ago |
| 03:43.43 | abrotman | gravity: and you don't blog as much anymore .. it's like you're slipping away .. Soon you'll be a gentoo user! |
| 03:43.45 | JordiGH | pickcoder: modprobe iwl3945 debug=0 |
| 03:43.47 | schme | and make-kpkg for more joy. |
| 03:44.03 | debianour | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/mbmon missing LSB information. How to know what is missing? |
| 03:44.04 | gravity | abrotman: Dude, my blog was on livejournal. It's pretty well shut down with the rest of the site as of yesterday :-\ |
| 03:44.13 | abrotman | oh whoops .. i forgot about that |
| 03:44.13 | stoned | abrotman, ahahaha reverse psychology. :) Think that'll make him come back? heh |
| 03:44.21 | gravity | abrotman: I dumped the archive last night, but I need to figure out something new. |
| 03:44.32 | pickcoder | that should work as well as 0x000 |
| 03:44.36 | aidan | doing a "dig mx example.com" returns different results externally to internally. How can I work out where the extra MX records are coming from internally? |
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| 03:44.48 | gravity | abrotman: But yeah, I do need to figure out a reasonable way back in to Debian that suits my new schedule better than Xorg work did |
| 03:44.50 | stoned | oh oops |
| 03:44.54 | abrotman | gravity: i'm kind of surprised that they haven't setup one of the DD boxes with ikiwiki or something like that |
| 03:44.56 | gravity | abrotman: Otherwise I will disappear, which isn't fun |
| 03:44.59 | simonrvn | gravity: change is good, it's the only real constant |
| 03:45.01 | gravity | abrotman: that's an idea actually |
| 03:45.04 | pickcoder | JordiGH: are you sure it was unloaded before you did modprobe |
| 03:45.08 | stoned | previously I meant ya'll were f'in +with+ each other ahahah i see why gravity went ew |
| 03:45.12 | stoned | lol |
| 03:45.13 | gravity | simonrvn: True enough, but I still want to work on Debian in some fashion :-) |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | gravity: then joeyh can eat his own medicine! :) |
| 03:45.27 | stoned | gravity, so what do you want to do? |
| 03:45.35 | gravity | abrotman: joeyh eats a lot of his own medicine, to be fair :-) |
| 03:45.38 | stoned | gravity, do you have any plan of action or anything for the future contributions? |
| 03:45.39 | gravity | stoned: Not sure yet. |
| 03:45.45 | abrotman | gravity: yes, he does |
| 03:45.45 | gravity | stoned: Otherwise I'd be doing it! :-) |
| 03:45.49 | simonrvn | gravity: :). |
| 03:45.53 | stoned | gravity, ahh good point :) |
| 03:45.53 | gravity | joeyh totally rules, btw |
| 03:46.13 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Yeah, I did rmmod before. The different debug settings showed up in /sys/... |
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| 03:46.29 | JordiGH | pickcoder: I'm going to sleep. I'll have to fix this some other time. |
| 03:46.30 | stoned | JordiGH, also, again. do not use rmmod use modprobe -r instead |
| 03:46.34 | gravity | To be honest, I have no idea what Debian needs right now. There's no obvious projects that need doing that will change the distro in meaningful ways. At least not that my little brain can see. |
| 03:46.44 | simonrvn | JordiGH: g'night, sleep well |
| 03:46.45 | gravity | There's a zillion small things, but I don't want to be a QA guy |
| 03:46.53 | stoned | gravity, I wish you could read/write Urdu |
| 03:46.55 | gravity | So I'm sitll looking |
| 03:47.01 | gravity | stoned: Urdu? |
| 03:47.10 | stoned | !tell gravity -about ur |
| 03:47.14 | stoned | gravity, last part |
| 03:47.23 | gravity | To be honest, the most interesting project I can see right now in free software is finishing parrot and perl6 |
| 03:47.26 | stoned | I've been on this for a few years now and not had much progress done |
| 03:47.50 | gravity | stoned: Ah, that's *definitely* not my thing :-) |
| 03:47.52 | stoned | its always something or other that keeps getting in the way (not technically) |
| 03:48.20 | simonrvn | perl6 would be nice |
| 03:48.34 | stoned | its been in development how long? |
| 03:48.39 | gravity | simonrvn: It's pretty much the stupidly obvoius "yeah, this really needs doing" project |
| 03:48.51 | gravity | stoned: A while, although you can play with rakudo today and it works pretty well |
| 03:48.58 | gravity | stoned: Although it's clearly not finished yet |
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| 03:49.04 | stoned | oh by far |
| 03:49.14 | schme | builds. |
| 03:49.21 | pickcoder | too bad I don't have a iwl3945 card or I'd debug the debug bug |
| 03:49.26 | stoned | lol |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | rebwhere'd he go? |
| 03:49.36 | stoned | thatsa lotta buggin' man |
| 03:49.38 | gravity | Especially because I hate pretty much all three of the major scripting languages in special ways |
| 03:49.42 | simonrvn | agreed. i dont have the technical skills to help, nor does my path lead me into that sort of stuff. |
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| 03:50.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: he left |
| 03:50.04 | gravity | simonrvn: Me neither, although I'm interested enough in languages to gain some of the skills to help out |
| 03:50.09 | stoned | gravity, means to an end my friend, means to an end |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: i noticed |
| 03:50.23 | stoned | gravity, you may hate them, but they are useful for the things they are useful for |
| 03:50.34 | stoned | best buck up and dish it out :) |
| 03:50.36 | rainy-day | hi, where can I find sarge (3.1) individual packages? |
| 03:50.37 | gravity | stoned: No argument there, but that doesn't mean I have to like them |
| 03:50.56 | pickcoder | and screwdrivers make nice chisels.. even though there weren't designed for that purpose |
| 03:51.07 | simonrvn | !adn |
| 03:51.07 | dpkg | adn is, like, AcidoDexosirriboNucleico |
| 03:51.14 | stoned | hey, you can steer your car with your other foot too |
| 03:51.16 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:51.25 | simonrvn | !ado |
| 03:51.25 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 03:51.34 | simonrvn | rainy-day: ^^^ |
| 03:51.35 | stoned | isn't ado some microsoft shiznit |
| 03:51.40 | rainy-day | simonrvn: thanks |
| 03:51.59 | stoned | yup |
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| 03:52.23 | schme | Well what a messed up source I have. |
| 03:52.27 | schme | :) |
| 03:52.41 | schme | pulls out ye old git --reset |
| 03:52.49 | simonrvn | gravity: my path was kinda pushed on me this summer, and it's the sort of thing you can't refuse, if you've dreamt about it (in my culture). |
| 03:53.03 | gravity | keeps reading schme as scheme and wonders why he's not talking about LISP |
| 03:53.28 | gravity | simonrvn: Interesting. Is this a good "can't refuse" or a bad "can't refuse"? |
| 03:53.35 | simonrvn | i do too, damnit |
| 03:53.39 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:53.41 | simonrvn | a good one |
| 03:54.08 | gravity | simonrvn: Well that's good to hear :-) |
| 03:54.13 | gravity | Pushed on you or no |
| 03:54.18 | stoned | gravity, I keep thinking of Anakin Skywalkers mom from star wars |
| 03:54.23 | stoned | gravity, schme |
| 03:55.06 | gravity | stoned: Heh, I'd forgotten her |
| 03:55.16 | gravity | I also think of Shmee, from Jhonen Vasquez's comics |
| 03:56.51 | stoned | I hate sms |
| 03:56.56 | simonrvn | gravity: was nice to see you again :). i gtg soon, ZZZzz-time. take care, eh, and don't be a stranger ;). |
| 03:57.25 | gravity | simonrvn: I won't. I'm trying to be back on IRC more now that my life is returning to normalcy :-) It was great to see you too! |
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| 03:57.37 | stoned | it was great to see everybody! |
| 03:57.40 | stoned | !group hug |
| 03:57.40 | dpkg | hug: use the group, Luke |
| 03:57.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:57.47 | stoned | ..the fuck |
| 03:57.49 | stoned | heh |
| 03:57.50 | gravity | Ha! |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | !grouphug |
| 03:57.54 | dpkg | hugs everybody and makes it ALL better. Now STFU, bitches! |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | better? |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | kind of ... |
| 03:58.02 | stoned | word |
| 03:58.26 | simonrvn | cool |
| 03:58.26 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:58.26 | simonrvn | oh no laaagg |
| 03:58.27 | gravity | Any emacs users? Why do people use dired instead of just a normal shell+terminal? |
| 03:58.38 | gravity | is still trying to grok living in emacs |
| 03:58.47 | simonrvn | open multiple files at once, mostly |
| 03:58.51 | schme | gravity: I use it because I find it extremely. nice. |
| 03:59.09 | gravity | simonrvn: Aha, that makes sense. |
| 03:59.11 | schme | gravity: But dired is no replacement for a shell. No idea who gave you that idea. There M-x eshell for that. |
| 03:59.21 | abrotman | gravity: but you can open multiple files in vi! :) |
| 03:59.27 | mordain | some people use emacs as a operating environment, and never leave it |
| 03:59.28 | gravity | schme: Yeah, although you can do many of the same things, like rename files, with dired |
| 03:59.37 | pickcoder | is simple and uses vi and a bash command line |
| 03:59.43 | gravity | schme: That's pretty much where the idea came from |
| 03:59.46 | schme | gravity: But for moving stuff around, marking files for processing etc. |
| 04:00.10 | schme | gravity: Well.. many of the same things I would not agree to at all.. dired is just for hrmm.. editing directories. :) |
| 04:00.40 | gravity | schme: Heh, ok. I guess I'll have to play with it more to really get it. Thanks :-) |
| 04:00.45 | schme | pickcoder: vi runs just fine in emacs. ;) |
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| 04:00.47 | phorce1 | so, I have a raid1 with one drive that has apparently had bad hardware failure (bios can no longer see it at boot). The other drive is doing it's thing and running the system fine. To replace the bad drive, I just format a new drive with the same partition scheme, mark the partitions all as linux raid autodetect, and plug it in? |
| 04:01.02 | gravity | used vim for 9 years and only just switched (mostly) to emacs |
| 04:01.07 | pickcoder | schme: then I could just run Debian in a VM on Windoze for that matter |
| 04:01.09 | phorce1 | s/format/fdisk/ |
| 04:01.10 | pickcoder | pfft |
| 04:01.18 | simonrvn | same, but not for as long, heh |
| 04:01.29 | simonrvn | still use vim a lot |
| 04:01.30 | schme | pickcoder: Well that's not quite the same.. I mean vim is a *very* nice text editor. emacs is not so much a text editor :) |
| 04:01.36 | stoned | colinux |
| 04:01.40 | stoned | !colinux |
| 04:01.40 | dpkg | well, colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization ... |
| 04:01.46 | pickcoder | I have no idea what emacs is and don't care to learn |
| 04:01.55 | pickcoder | I have too many other things to learn |
| 04:01.59 | multi_io | has anyone read the recent xterm bug report? I notice that the bug does not work if you send the buggy esc sequence to the terminal via write(1), rather than catting it directly from the shell. Why is this? |
| 04:02.15 | schme | But.. I'm a bit partial about this whole emacsOS vs the world discussion. |
| 04:02.19 | schme | hides his developer hat. |
| 04:02.33 | schme | I use vim pretty much all the time. :) |
| 04:02.50 | phorce1 | uses mc for rapid multi-file ops in the console |
| 04:02.53 | abrotman | was perfectly happy with nvi 99% of the time |
| 04:03.12 | gravity | heh, I use it for all my quick edits, or when I have to sudo edit something. Emacs is when I'm coding or browsing lots of documentation |
| 04:04.10 | schme | hmm.. |
| 04:04.16 | schme | also the emacs for the quick edits. ;) |
| 04:04.53 | schme | I'm great. I forgot to patch my kernel before building it. |
| 04:04.58 | schme | What a waste. |
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| 04:06.04 | gravity | Well, I use emacs for some quick edits too, usually if I'm browsing within emacs already. If I'm in an xterm I just use vim |
| 04:06.18 | schme | yeees, of course. |
| 04:06.20 | gravity | Although emacsclient is great |
| 04:06.28 | schme | I don't agree there at all. ;) |
| 04:06.34 | pickcoder | has anyone here loaded Debian on a tri-core machine? |
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| 04:06.43 | schme | tri-core abominations! |
| 04:06.59 | schme | ok one more go. |
| 04:07.31 | phorce1 | learned wordstar on cp/m first so quick edits are done in 'joe' because his fingers automatically use the ^K-x shortcuts |
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| 04:08.23 | schme | (: |
| 04:08.23 | schme | I also use ed |
| 04:08.23 | pickcoder | just curious b/c Tiger has a tri-core refurn desktop from Gateway for $399 |
| 04:08.28 | pickcoder | ~refurb |
| 04:08.35 | phorce1 | ed just bites unles using it for scripting |
| 04:08.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: the AMD boxes ? |
| 04:09.10 | schme | pickcoder: I can't imagine there being any issues |
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| 04:09.33 | un_dave | hi, i have a spare low spec'd system, and want to use it in my lounge to power a simple monitor, no keyboard/mouse attached, which would cycle through some network stats, server stats, and possibly a slideshow of a few pictures. can anyone suggest some good applications to help me out? |
| 04:09.50 | abrotman | schme: i was pointed at 'xed' yesterday .. ed with X extensions |
| 04:10.06 | gravity | dies a little inside |
| 04:10.10 | pickcoder | abrotman: yeah. the new Phenom |
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| 04:10.37 | schme | abrotman: That's crazy. |
| 04:10.43 | schme | abrotman: :) |
| 04:10.46 | abrotman | XED: an X-enabled implementation of ed ("the standard editor"). |
| 04:11.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: the CPU doesn't really bother me ... what about the chipset etc |
| 04:11.56 | pickcoder | oh.. I dunno |
| 04:11.57 | pickcoder | lemme look |
| 04:12.28 | pickcoder | Marvell 8071/8075 |
| 04:12.40 | stoned | http://wiki.debian.org/Games/BlobWars_MetalBlobSolid <-- anyone wanna? |
| 04:12.41 | pickcoder | shared vid memory though |
| 04:12.45 | abrotman | pickcoder: AIUI .. it's an amd64 CPU, just with three cores .. and I forget the reason for three, but they say the engineers say it's a good plan |
| 04:12.47 | pickcoder | on an HD3200 |
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| 04:13.08 | schme | abrotman: I hear it is three because they are broken quad cores |
| 04:13.16 | stoned | oh noooooo! this is a single player game?! |
| 04:13.18 | schme | abrotman: So it is a money saving plan. |
| 04:13.24 | newsense | might drop by tiger and grab one for my girlfriend :) |
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| 04:13.29 | abrotman | schme: i've heard that also .. but i've heard there is also a sound reason for three |
| 04:13.34 | pickcoder | schme: how in the world could they do that? |
| 04:13.40 | abrotman | stoned: Blobwars isn't single player .. there's a net part |
| 04:13.40 | schme | pickcoder: do what? |
| 04:13.42 | schme | :) |
| 04:14.00 | schme | abrotman: Well ya.. I'm sure they make up sound reasons after they have the product ;) |
| 04:14.04 | abrotman | stoned: wait .. thinking of Liquid War .. ignore me |
| 04:14.04 | pickcoder | deactive one of the cores alone |
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| 04:14.21 | schme | abrotman: Though there is some logic in having one core not sharing cache with another.. which is what you get. |
| 04:14.51 | schme | pickcoder: It is normal in CPU production. a lot of CPUs end up broken. They are usually sold as ones with lower clock frequency than initially planned, or other funnies :) |
| 04:14.52 | craigevil-eee | blobandconquer has mutli blobwars doesnt |
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| 04:15.27 | abrotman | pickcoder: anyways .. should be fine |
| 04:15.36 | schme | is it just me or does make-kpkg kernel_source take like 4 times as long as make-kpkg kernel_image ? :) |
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| 04:15.40 | pickcoder | schem: I'm aware of that but I don't it's that simple with HyperTransport |
| 04:15.46 | abrotman | schme: that wasn't it i don't think ..IIRC the amd architecture each has their own |
| 04:15.49 | pickcoder | meh... I don't _think_ it's |
| 04:16.21 | schme | abrotman: Nah.. just on the opterons and whatever they call their server CPUs nowadays :) |
| 04:16.39 | stoned | http://wiki.debian.org/Game <-- the wishlis is for what exactly? |
| 04:16.40 | abrotman | schme: i'm pretty sure they're all like that now |
| 04:16.45 | stoned | towards the bottom |
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| 04:16.56 | pickcoder | Operton still exists |
| 04:16.56 | stoned | for wiki articles? I think so |
| 04:17.02 | pickcoder | but there's several different n-way models |
| 04:17.04 | schme | abrotman: That's cool though. |
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| 04:17.10 | schme | yeees. |
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| 04:17.22 | abrotman | stoned: not sure .. i think those are all tarzeau's packages though |
| 04:17.30 | pickcoder | Opteron.. geez I can't type |
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| 04:19.36 | schme | ah nope. amd.com says the all share cache. |
| 04:19.40 | schme | Just buy one already. |
| 04:19.41 | schme | :) |
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| 04:23.50 | zzattack | when I use ifup -a I am not able to use my internet connection on eth0. instead I need to manually bring both eth0 and eth1 down, bring up eth0 and create an outgoing connection and only then I can start eth1. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? |
| 04:24.16 | dondelelcaro | zzattack: do you happen to have two default gateways? |
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| 04:24.57 | zzattack | dondelelcaro: can yo tell me where to specify them? I'm not sure how to check |
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| 04:25.13 | abrotman | zzattack: /etc/network/interfaces is one place to check |
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| 04:25.49 | zzattack | abrotman: then no, for my eth0 I use dhcp, my eth1 card gets a static ip where I only specify the address line and netmask line |
| 04:26.31 | newsense | zzattack, do you have an auto line for each interface ? |
| 04:26.36 | pickcoder | zzattack: that's not an answer though. Look at route -n when you do ifup -a |
| 04:27.02 | zzattack | newsense: yeah, both both |
| 04:27.41 | pickcoder | if both interfaces are on the same network then you can only have one gateway active |
| 04:27.54 | dondelelcaro | zzattack: well, the contents of /etc/network/interfaces; and the output of ip addr; and ip route -n; will be useful |
| 04:28.03 | dondelelcaro | zzattack: (when it's not working, of course) |
| 04:28.28 | zzattack | alright dondelelcaro, coming right pu |
| 04:28.32 | dondelelcaro | zzattack: ping -c 2 ip.of.gateway; when it's not working will also be useful |
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| 04:29.08 | dondelelcaro | (you may need to install iproute if you don't have it already) |
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| 04:33.01 | Caelum | I have an old laptop that doesn't survive being turned on for too long, is there a way to put it into acpi sleep on inactivity? |
| 04:35.07 | voodoox | hey guys |
| 04:35.30 | voodoox | hey guys ~ |
| 04:35.38 | zzattack | /etc/network/interfaces: http://rafb.net/p/gHsQ1Y44.html ip addr: http://rafb.net/p/7Fkfwk49.html route -n and stuff: http://rafb.net/p/llXDUK65.html |
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| 04:36.10 | arnuld | I was using 192.168.0.1 and .0.2 as my gateway and eth0 addresses respectively |
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| 04:36.25 | arnuld | Now I have got a new Modem and have to change the addresss to .1.1 and .1.2 |
| 04:36.34 | arnuld | does anyone know which files to edit |
| 04:36.48 | zzattack | i think /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 04:37.03 | zzattack | man interfaces explains |
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| 04:37.06 | arnuld | I tried that but that does not work alone |
| 04:37.16 | arnuld | then I also edited /etc/networks |
| 04:37.34 | syntaxx | hi i just want to know which approach to a gateway and a mail server would be best? redirect all lan outbound to mail port 25 and block all lan outbound port 25? or just block lan outbound port 25? any help would be appreciated. thanks |
| 04:37.44 | zzattack | i suppose if you just want static addresses /etc/network/interfaces should work, maybe you can paste yours? |
| 04:37.46 | arnuld | zzattack: it is /etc/network/interfaces (not /etc/networking/interfaces) |
| 04:38.08 | zzattack | yeah you're right, sorry |
| 04:38.11 | arnuld | but after every reboot, route shows nothing in itself :-\ |
| 04:39.39 | zzattack | like, the interfaces are not brought up? |
| 04:39.54 | arnuld | interfaces are brought up |
| 04:40.01 | arnuld | but there is no gateway |
| 04:40.03 | arnuld | In /etc/network file, I edited *only* the last line gateway from 192.168.0.0 to 192.168.1.0 |
| 04:40.22 | arnuld | in interfaces I have to chang most of the things |
| 04:40.46 | zzattack | is there a dhcp server? |
| 04:40.49 | arnuld | so right now I have to manuall run route add default gw 192.168.1.1 on every boot |
| 04:40.52 | arnuld | no |
| 04:41.05 | arnuld | it is static in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:41.18 | arnuld | thinks dhcp suck |
| 04:41.28 | pickcoder | arnuld: where did you put the gateway line? |
| 04:41.41 | arnuld | pickcoder: I did not put , I edited it |
| 04:41.46 | pickcoder | where |
| 04:42.00 | arnuld | pickcoder: in both /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/network |
| 04:42.10 | arnuld | /etc/networks* |
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| 04:42.42 | pickcoder | man networks |
| 04:42.54 | pickcoder | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:43.08 | zzattack | pickcoder can you look at my pastes too? |
| 04:43.23 | arnuld | can't, I am in office, will do it from home in eveneing (hope you people will here) |
| 04:43.29 | arnuld | :) |
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| 04:43.44 | pickcoder | networks is not for interface definitions or routes |
| 04:44.27 | pickcoder | zzattack: did you pastebin the info for dondelelcaro |
| 04:44.31 | arnuld | pickcoder: so I must not touch it ? |
| 04:44.39 | pickcoder | nevermind I see it |
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| 04:44.55 | arnuld | so there is only one file I need to edit if my gateway changes: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:45.15 | pickcoder | arnuld: yes |
| 04:45.35 | arnuld | how updated is this refernce manual: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 04:45.43 | arnuld | I am using Debian Etch |
| 04:45.44 | pickcoder | zzattack: I have no idea about ipv6 |
| 04:45.46 | arnuld | 64 bit |
| 04:46.16 | zzattack | pickcoder im not using ipv6 at all |
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| 04:47.13 | pickcoder | hrm.. oh those are mac mappings |
| 04:47.40 | zzattack | yeah, I had a kernel update swap the interfaces around once, was troublesome |
| 04:47.48 | pickcoder | I don't use mappings. I let udev define the device name |
| 04:48.05 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.17 | pickcoder | it's in <something>persistent-net.rules |
| 04:48.21 | pickcoder | it changed in lenny |
| 04:48.26 | pickcoder | I don't remember what it is |
| 04:48.28 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 04:48.28 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 04:48.32 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 04:48.46 | zzattack | thanks |
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| 04:48.57 | pickcoder | you can easily swap the device names there |
| 04:49.08 | zzattack | so are they actualy renamed, or aliased? |
| 04:49.30 | pickcoder | I dunno.. look at the rules file |
| 04:49.36 | pickcoder | the mac should be listed |
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| 04:49.57 | pickcoder | fix it in udev and dump the mappings to make your interfaces cleaner |
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| 04:50.31 | zzattack | yeah I see |
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| 04:50.43 | zzattack | it seems to have mapped eth0 and eth1 by mac address automatically for me |
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| 04:52.44 | pickcoder | I have never touched /etc/networks |
| 04:52.52 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 04:54.52 | \amethyst | pickcoder: I added home-net 192.168.0.0 and home2-net 192.168.2.0 |
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| 04:56.06 | \amethyst | pickcoder: it's used by programs like route and iptables for looking up network numbers |
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| 05:00.06 | dustybin | '^\ameth...' |
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| 05:00.43 | roche | Hello, How do I know in which debian cd a package belong ? for example I want to know in which cd is asterisk? |
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| 05:04.02 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 05:04.03 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 05:04.15 | simonrvn | roche: ^^ |
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| 05:13.35 | roche | !cd contents sarge |
| 05:13.35 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd for sarge, see http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php. |
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| 05:15.05 | simonrvn | what's this with the sarge stuff? did they totally stop the serving for it? |
| 05:15.29 | simonrvn | probably to make room for lenny, and squeeze |
| 05:16.18 | ameyer | also, sarge has been unsupported since like April |
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| 05:18.47 | shogbin | I m trying to get an easy setup for connecting to dialup - I have gnome-ppp installed and wvdial. If I connect using wvdial -C .wvdial.conf, all works. If I use gnome-ppp, it wants to read the /etc/wvdial.conf file that does not contain the correct info for connecting. Any suggestions? |
| 05:18.47 | simonrvn | no kidding |
| 05:18.56 | roche | simonrvn thanks |
| 05:19.13 | simonrvn | ameyer: that's why i found it odd that people are still asking about it... |
| 05:19.37 | simonrvn | roche: ok |
| 05:19.37 | r0nin_ | why us gnome-ppp at all? |
| 05:20.02 | shogbin | r0nin_: this system is to be "easy" to use for the person I am setting it up for. |
| 05:20.27 | simonrvn | so set it up like it should then |
| 05:20.30 | shogbin | r0nin_: are there other apps that can run with one click of a mouse to initiate dialup? |
| 05:20.42 | ameyer | although I'd feel a lot better putting an unpatched (insert old debian version here) box on the net than an unpatched XP SP1 box. |
| 05:20.47 | r0nin_ | hey for somereason lilo dosen't show a menu when booting, how to I get the menu to show? |
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| 05:21.13 | r0nin_ | shogbin: not that I know of |
| 05:21.48 | \amethyst | shogbin: you said wvdial -C .wvdial.conf connected, right? |
| 05:21.57 | \amethyst | shogbin: so create a launcher for that command |
| 05:21.59 | shogbin | \amethyst: yes |
| 05:22.16 | shogbin | \amethyst: I will try that first, I guess. Thanks |
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| 05:23.36 | r0nin_ | anyone have an idea why lilo does not show a boot menu? |
| 05:23.50 | MariachiAC | Hello everyone. I'm looking for a tutorial to install debian form grml. Can someone point me to a website? I'm trying to isntall on a dell laptop that has no os. |
| 05:24.06 | simonrvn | ameyer: would certainly last longer unzombied ;) |
| 05:24.21 | r0nin_ | ive got "install=menu" in lilo.conf |
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| 05:24.40 | simonrvn | r0nin_: have you updated lilo yet? |
| 05:24.46 | r0nin_ | yes |
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| 05:25.31 | simonrvn | where did you put that anyway, main section? |
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| 05:26.08 | jbraddoc | Hello all, I was wondering if anyone could make any recommendations for a MP3 manager... Not something to play music really, but something to help me find duplicates and organize my music? |
| 05:26.10 | r0nin_ | simonrvn, the lilo.conf? default location, /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 05:26.18 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/apds03.html |
| 05:26.39 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: "Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" |
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| 05:26.47 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: the program you're looking for is "debootstrap" |
| 05:27.02 | simonrvn | r0nin_: re-read my question |
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| 05:28.46 | MariachiAC | \amethys ok thank you. Will I be able ot isntall it? I'm still relatively new to linux. |
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| 05:29.21 | r0nin_ | simonrvn I didn't move it or add it, just uncommented it, so I guess yes its in the main section |
| 05:29.32 | simonrvn | ok |
| 05:29.41 | simonrvn | hm that work |
| 05:29.44 | helo | when is /tmp cleared when a reboot is performed? |
| 05:29.48 | simonrvn | that should* |
| 05:29.52 | Sweetandy | how do I check the value of an environment variable? |
| 05:29.55 | helo | on boot, or shutdown? |
| 05:30.09 | simonrvn | boot |
| 05:30.19 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: setting it up that was is fairly tricky... do the debian install CDs not work? |
| 05:30.34 | simonrvn | Sweetandy: echo works |
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| 05:31.18 | simonrvn | also printenv if you have a shell that supports it |
| 05:31.30 | helo | i just remembered i forgot to incorporate some files i copied into /tmp before shutting down today... |
| 05:31.46 | MariachiAC | \amethys, Not on the laptop. I have ot have sited assistance. As it stands. I'm running grml since it has a text console with speech. |
| 05:31.52 | helo | hmm... realized i forgot... |
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| 05:33.14 | simonrvn | you can set /tmp to sit around longer |
| 05:34.17 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: hmm |
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| 05:37.59 | MariachiAC | |amethys, The debian installer works only with my desktop since I can access braille and install that way. |
| 05:38.43 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: was looking on the debian-accessibility archives and saw: http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2003/12/msg00000.html |
| 05:39.42 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: that's very old though |
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| 05:40.19 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: there does appear to be brltty support in some of the installers (the current daily image), but I'm not sure |
| 05:40.21 | MariachiAC | |amethsys, well if it has anythign to do with a hardware synthesizer I'm unable to use it. I could look at it though. |
| 05:40.22 | n-iCe | does anyone know any gnome hotmail messenger package? |
| 05:40.32 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: hm, not sure |
| 05:40.38 | Tekno | pidgin |
| 05:40.56 | liable | MariachiAC: cant you plug the braille terminal into the laptop? |
| 05:41.03 | \amethyst | MariachiAC: you might try the debian-accessibility mailing list (debian-accessibility@debian.org) or read through the archives at http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ |
| 05:41.12 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to edit a deb file's dependencies? |
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| 05:44.24 | liable | MariachiAC: another user debootstrapped from a ubuntu live cd recently (has orca speech synth) though it wont be particularly easy if you are new to linux |
| 05:44.35 | MariachiAC | |amethys, thank you. |
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| 05:49.38 | Ace2016_- | found the info |
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| 05:56.46 | leonut | test |
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| 05:59.09 | stoned | judd versions flashplayer |
| 05:59.09 | judd | stoned: flashplayer -- |
| 05:59.14 | stoned | judd versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 05:59.15 | judd | stoned: flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0 lenny-multimedia: 1:10.0.15.3-0.1 sid-multimedia: 1:10.0.15.3-0.1 |
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| 06:08.30 | MariachiAC | mkswap /dev/sda2 |
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| 06:10.04 | mrh | hi all |
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| 06:13.22 | mrh | When I try to install or remove an app from the CL I get: Reading package lists . . . Done |
| 06:13.47 | mrh | Then: Segmentation faulty tree . . . 0% |
| 06:14.01 | mrh | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 06:17.20 | mrh | ? |
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| 06:19.00 | mrh | ok thanks anyway |
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| 06:26.40 | r0nin_ | can you increase the console's resolution without using framebuffer? |
| 06:26.56 | Tekno | yes |
| 06:27.03 | Tekno | but only 4:3 modes |
| 06:27.23 | r0nin_ | how? |
| 06:27.28 | Tekno | kernel lien |
| 06:27.35 | Tekno | vga=xxx |
| 06:28.57 | r0nin_ | ill have to try it |
| 06:29.15 | Tekno | vga=791 makes 1024x768 |
| 06:29.16 | Tekno | etc |
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| 06:32.12 | manu_hack | how to add a user so that s/he can shutdown the machine using XFCE? |
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| 06:32.54 | unbeatable | can someone help me setup public_html for apache2? |
| 06:32.59 | shams | how can i gzip a file with gzip command? |
| 06:33.11 | Zharf | man gzip |
| 06:33.16 | unbeatable | i'm getting this 404 error |
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| 06:37.05 | manu_hack | is the group powerdev corresponding to shutdown/restart? |
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| 06:37.22 | unbeatable | can someone help me with http server? |
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| 06:37.45 | unbeatable | i created public_html but it giving me 404 error |
| 06:39.32 | unbeatable | anyone? |
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| 06:40.09 | superjet_busy | !tell unbeatable -about anyone |
| 06:40.10 | mhymn | unbeatable: be more precise |
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| 06:41.13 | unbeatable | i can only access from /var/www |
| 06:41.21 | unbeatable | not from the user |
| 06:41.22 | unbeatable | like |
| 06:41.29 | manu_hack | ok done thx anyway |
| 06:41.43 | unbeatable | http://ip/~eddie |
| 06:41.46 | unbeatable | it doesn't work |
| 06:41.52 | unbeatable | http://ip/~eddie |
| 06:41.56 | superjet_busy | a2enmod |
| 06:42.28 | unbeatable | http://ip/apache2-default |
| 06:42.31 | unbeatable | this one work |
| 06:43.00 | unbeatable | i can't use like http://ip/~user |
| 06:43.18 | unbeatable | i created pulic_html and chmod 755 |
| 06:43.28 | unbeatable | and to the user too |
| 06:43.34 | unbeatable | still not working |
| 06:43.50 | r0nin_ | any recommendations on a simple mp3 cli player? |
| 06:45.04 | superjet_busy | mpg321 |
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| 06:45.31 | newsense | beautiful nick |
| 06:45.45 | newsense | puts the kids away |
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| 06:46.11 | r0nin_ | lol |
| 06:46.29 | newsense | ive seen it all now |
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| 06:49.25 | thereddot | how do i start x in the background so i can keep using the terminal i started it from? |
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| 06:50.28 | r0nin_ | use a diffrent tty? |
| 06:51.21 | thereddot | so it's not possible? |
| 06:51.36 | unbeatable | mhymn do you know how to make it pulic_html works? |
| 06:52.14 | r0nin_ | you can switch between X and tty1 from where you probably started X |
| 06:52.22 | mhymn | unbeatable: where is your 'public_html' ? |
| 06:52.33 | unbeatable | under user |
| 06:52.43 | unbeatable | /home/eddie |
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| 06:53.14 | newsense | thereddot, i looked at the man page briefly and from what i got theres an option to keep it running in the tty started from |
| 06:53.19 | mhymn | unbeatable: but apache listens to '/var/www' |
| 06:53.26 | unbeatable | yea |
| 06:53.31 | huwenfeng | oh, how can i install mod_python for the apache2 server? |
| 06:53.31 | unbeatable | not ~user |
| 06:53.46 | unbeatable | i have apache2 btw |
| 06:53.47 | huwenfeng | under Debian etch |
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| 06:54.21 | mhymn | unbeatable: well, afaik '~user' should be an existing folder like others |
| 06:54.22 | aidan | doing a "dig mx example.com" returns different results externally to internally. How can I work out where the extra MX records are coming from internally? Or block them? |
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| 06:55.19 | unbeatable | mhymn can i pm u? |
| 06:55.27 | mhymn | ok |
| 06:56.01 | thereddot | newsense: i didn't find it |
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| 06:59.32 | r0nin_ | "Lost terminal" never seen that before |
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| 07:04.49 | manu_hack | so for AMD k7 cpu which to choose? i386? |
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| 07:11.56 | tarzeau | manu_hack: i586 or i686 |
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| 07:20.57 | christoz | greetings, is it necessary to use a non-free nvidia driver to have screenlets on my debian lenny (i use vesa ones) ? |
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| 07:21.39 | christoz | and i don't prefer them too :P |
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| 07:22.20 | Druss` | [Baby20] = oj spammer |
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| 07:39.19 | Prodego | stew? |
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| 07:40.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: [Baby20] onjoin spam |
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| 07:42.20 | liable | dpkg: greet bazyl |
| 07:42.20 | dpkg | Salutations, bazyl |
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| 07:42.55 | liable | that nick was banned yesterday.. |
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| 07:47.37 | huwenfeng | oh, i got a problem. my system is using python2.4, you know that. the Debian etch, and my project on django is all done in python2.5. now i want to deploy it with apache, and mod_python. but the mod_python is only work with python2.4, so , how can i figure this out? |
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| 07:48.25 | Moniker42 | (now redundant due to a k:line) |
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| 07:48.43 | Supaplex | (: |
| 07:49.17 | Supaplex | We get double the shut up for half the price. We won't complain. |
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| 07:51.46 | FILLVAIO2 | Guys hello again. I still have same problem. I realy need help. My Debian resolves all non-existent domains like one of my virtual domain. It's doesn matter what is domain or just a number or any word. Exmp: <ping lkdhfskdf ; ping sdfsdgsd.com ; ping 23827fdsd > |
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| 07:52.08 | ccm|mac | huwenfeng: why not use a mod python that supports python 2.5? or rewrite your code so that it runs with py2.4 code |
| 07:53.03 | xlotlu | where can i find the stuff echo-ed from acpi scripts into >&2 ? |
| 07:54.26 | liable | FILLVAIO2: what do they resolve to? |
| 07:54.27 | huwenfeng | ccm|mac: is there a mod_python that supports python2.5? |
| 07:54.45 | ccm|mac | huwenfeng: i suppose there is, but maybe its not in debian etch stable |
| 07:54.51 | liable | xlotlu: daemon.log probably |
| 07:54.58 | liable | or syslog |
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| 07:55.49 | \amethyst | FILLVAIO2: do you have "search" in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 07:55.54 | FILLVAIO2 | <liable> any domain resolves on IP address of one my virtual host name. |
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| 07:56.24 | liable | whats a virtual hostname? |
| 07:57.02 | xlotlu | liable: it's nowhere in the obvious places. i think there must be some "debug" env var set for them to get written... |
| 07:57.05 | huwenfeng | what is apxs, oh, i can not found anywhere! nowhere, i am using apaches |
| 07:57.41 | liable | xlotlu: restart acpid and check daemon.log again. thats where it usually logs |
| 07:58.22 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: apxs2 is in package apache2-prefork-dev (or apache2-threaded-dev if you want to compile for that mpm) |
| 07:58.25 | FILLVAIO2 | <\amethyst> no, just a 2 lines: nameserver 217.23.128.1 nameserver 217.23.146.1 - it's provided my by my ISP |
| 07:58.38 | \amethyst | FILLVAIO2: hm |
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| 07:58.56 | aardvaark | irc.freequest.net #popmm |
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| 08:00.36 | FILLVAIO2 | <\amethyst> tracerout gives me just one hop |
| 08:01.00 | liable | xlotlu: otherwise you can run the script from cli with 'bash -x /etc/acpi/..script' |
| 08:01.02 | Supaplex | those packets take a big leap of faith |
| 08:01.25 | xlotlu | liable: good point :) |
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| 08:02.08 | FILLVAIO2 | any ideas how to fix it? |
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| 08:04.05 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to block SSH except for certain IP Addresses? |
| 08:04.11 | GhostlyDeath | for certain users |
| 08:04.34 | GhostlyDeath | example: foo can only connect from 192.168.1.1 and bar can only connect from 192.168.1.2 |
| 08:05.23 | enzotib | GhostlyDeath, man hosts.allow, man hosts.deny |
| 08:06.05 | GhostlyDeath | man, that sounds like alot of reading |
| 08:06.10 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
| 08:07.27 | mhymn | !test |
| 08:07.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 08:08.30 | GhostlyDeath | enzotib: this allow *? |
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| 08:09.13 | enzotib | GhostlyDeath, * and ? can be used to match hostname and IP addresses |
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| 08:10.11 | GhostlyDeath | enzotib: so it's just "user@*"? |
| 08:10.11 | GhostlyDeath | if I am reading this correctly |
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| 08:10.55 | Cypherus | Hi.. when your logged into the console.. is it possible to send a message to another user who is logged in> |
| 08:10.56 | Cypherus | _ |
| 08:10.58 | Cypherus | ? |
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| 08:11.13 | valdyn | Cypherus: email |
| 08:11.44 | Cypherus | so there is no way to chat in the console? |
| 08:11.55 | Tekno | sure there is |
| 08:12.01 | valdyn | Cypherus: if the other user cooperates, or if you are root |
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| 08:12.16 | Cypherus | we are both root actually.. |
| 08:12.24 | liable | man write |
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| 08:12.34 | valdyn | Cypherus: now whats the point in that? |
| 08:12.40 | Tekno | i was about to type man write |
| 08:12.41 | Tekno | :D |
| 08:13.13 | Cypherus | valdyn, my hd's crashed, I'm saving my files which is going very slow.. |
| 08:13.29 | Cypherus | and I just noticed that leaseweb, that monitores my servers, logged inn.. |
| 08:13.37 | Cypherus | I'm afraid they'll reboot before I finish copying. |
| 08:13.42 | ndoodle | hi, anybody knows how to configure a sun gem ethernet card on a imag g4? |
| 08:13.56 | valdyn | Cypherus: echo "Don't fucking reboot!" | wall |
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| 08:14.29 | valdyn | Cypherus: though that leaseweb could aswell be a bot, i guess |
| 08:15.04 | Cypherus | don't think so, because I send a ticket for some mysql bugs before I realised my hds are about to crash |
| 08:15.18 | Cypherus | guess I better call techsupport and hope whoever is working on it picks up |
| 08:15.35 | GhostlyDeath | enzotib: the "daemon_list" would be the user names correct? |
| 08:15.44 | valdyn | Cypherus: they cant just reboot either way w/o asking you, that would be some insane service |
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| 08:17.02 | enzotib | GhostlyDeath, i don't know, i only used host.allow in a very simple way, so pointed you to that page |
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| 08:18.34 | Ben_Pang | I'm found "unsupported version python2.5" on installing xen,what's wrong? |
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| 08:19.10 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 08:20.44 | Ben_Pang | How do installing xen for debian4 |
| 08:21.16 | Ben_Pang | can help for me anyone? |
| 08:21.20 | mhymn | Ben_Pang: debian wiki might help you |
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| 08:22.41 | mhymn | along with google of course |
| 08:23.16 | Ben_Pang | mhymn,thanking |
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| 08:24.33 | Supaplex | !mmorpg the thief in the night |
| 08:24.33 | dpkg | fires off a few Massively Mobile Offensive Rocket Propelled Grenades at the thief in the night for a total of 845 damage! |
| 08:25.20 | yang | Would anyone have a need of using domain name LINUXBUILD.NET for his project ? |
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| 08:26.51 | mhymn | yang: considered as channel abuse |
| 08:29.36 | Ben_Pang | mhymn,I has error for package reportbug on upgrade |
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| 08:30.57 | liable | !qotd47 |
| 08:30.57 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
| 08:31.21 | Supaplex | awesome. |
| 08:31.34 | Supaplex | Ben_Pang: to further the irony, did you check bts? |
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| 08:33.57 | superlinux | hi all |
| 08:34.15 | Ben_Pang | Supaplex,has like wgetpaste on debian? |
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| 08:36.05 | liable | not in etch |
| 08:36.22 | pif | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.43 | pif | and others from many different clients |
| 08:36.54 | superlinux | when i add debian multimedia repository this is is what i get: http://apt.ludomatic.fr/dists/lenny/Release: Unable to find expected entry contrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 08:37.25 | Ben_Pang | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 08:37.26 | Ben_Pang | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.36 | Ben_Pang | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'remove_byte_code' |
| 08:37.44 | Ben_Pang | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 08:37.44 | dpkg | Ben_Pang: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:39.11 | Ben_Pang | Supaplex,what's wrong? help me please! |
| 08:40.00 | simplechat | hey, this might be a stupid question, but when you install the postgresql package, where do all of the tools end up? postgres & the rest should be commands (according to tutorials) but they don't exist even though the package is installed |
| 08:40.00 | superlinux | sorry. i found it |
| 08:40.03 | simplechat | (and postgres is running) |
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| 08:41.43 | liable | Ben_Pang: check bugs.debian.org, there is surely a bug listed for that |
| 08:42.42 | Ben_Pang | liable,Thanks you |
| 08:42.50 | zimnyx | Have you seen Philipp Kern lately? |
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| 08:44.51 | liable | holy fuck. reportbug has a *lot* of bugs :) |
| 08:45.16 | liable | lots of wishlists though, which one would expect from such a package |
| 08:45.50 | liable | i would hate to maintain that package :) imagine how many dd's whine about it not doing what they want ;) |
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| 08:47.37 | rza | hello ladies and gentlemen |
| 08:47.45 | valdyn | simplechat: which package is installed, which command is missing? |
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| 08:48.05 | liable | Ben_Pang: you say you are using debian etch? or sarge? |
| 08:48.17 | Ben_Pang | liable,etch |
| 08:48.18 | rza | any libc6-dev maintainers around? |
| 08:48.31 | valdyn | !tell rza -about ask |
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| 08:48.33 | Ben_Pang | liable,I want to installing Xen on Debian4 |
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| 08:48.53 | liable | Ben_Pang: ah, right, i forgot about the xen bit |
| 08:49.38 | rza | valdyn: fair enough |
| 08:49.45 | Ben_Pang | liable,Its bug? |
| 08:49.46 | rza | what is the story with missing lowlevellock.h ? |
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| 08:50.00 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 08:51.13 | Fox_1_ | people I have problem with mysql-server-5.0. I want to install it, but after downloading and unpacking it throw an errors |
| 08:51.20 | assasusonic | hi everyone, is it true that debian lenny will include propietary software? |
| 08:51.35 | Fox_1_ | also apt wrote "2 not fully installed or removed" |
| 08:51.43 | liable | Ben_Pang: unfortunately, I dont know much about xen. |
| 08:51.59 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: no. |
| 08:52.11 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: and 'apt-get -f install' |
| 08:52.14 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: what no? |
| 08:52.18 | liable | Ben_Pang: if you dont get help here, try the debian-user or see if there is a debian-xen mailing list |
| 08:52.22 | Supaplex | !tell assasusonic -about non-free |
| 08:52.29 | Maulkin | gah, sorry. assasusonic: no |
| 08:52.32 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: doesn't help :( |
| 08:52.52 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: can you pastebin the full output? |
| 08:52.59 | Supaplex | Fox_1_: with or without splashy installed? |
| 08:53.13 | Maulkin | And what errors? |
| 08:53.15 | assasusonic | Maulkin: are u sure http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003.en.html#outcome |
| 08:53.21 | Maulkin | assasusonic: Yes. |
| 08:53.23 | liable | heh, are the binary blobs proprietry.. |
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| 08:53.46 | assasusonic | Maulkin: what does it means the vote then? |
| 08:54.17 | assasusonic | binary blobs means what? |
| 08:54.17 | Fox_1_ | look here http://paste.debian.net/25514/ |
| 08:54.21 | Maulkin | assasusonic: Binary blobs that upstream kernel say are under the GPL, we assume are under the GPL. |
| 08:54.39 | assasusonic | aaah that's completely different |
| 08:54.42 | Fox_1_ | I have forgot to say that I'm using testing version |
| 08:54.51 | liable | if its binary, then it cant really be gpl can it? |
| 08:55.02 | valdyn | rza: have you seen #404532 ? |
| 08:55.42 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: Anything in /var/log/mysql.err? |
| 08:55.45 | assasusonic | liable: that what i was thinking too, how is it possible |
| 08:56.03 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: nothing |
| 08:56.10 | stew | liable: we are assuming that these binary blobs are the source, which is directly edited, unless we have reason to believe that there is some other source we don't have |
| 08:56.10 | Maulkin | liable: binary items *can* be preferred forms of modification. |
| 08:56.25 | liable | assasusonic: it may be due to weird compilers or whatever toolchain needed to build it, but then the source should also be available for inspection |
| 08:56.47 | assasusonic | well i was just worried of ending out with smth unwanted in my server |
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| 08:57.05 | liable | stew: how can you call a binary blob source? that defies logic |
| 08:57.27 | Ben_Pang | liable,That's bug? or anything? |
| 08:57.35 | stew | liable: no, because in some cases, when the blobs are really just a register dump, the bitfield is actually the source that someone tweaks |
| 08:57.52 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: and what happens if you try "grep mysql /var/log/syslog |
| 08:57.56 | liable | Ben_Pang: sorry, i dont think i can really help you much. try the lists i mentioned above |
| 08:58.02 | valdyn | rza: looks like a very old "bug" in libc6 that upstream wont fix, but i have no idea why the debian maintainer put no comment to the bug report |
| 08:58.08 | stew | liable: sometimes they are actually code. we don't know which is which, so we are going to assume that when the authors say "here is my source, distribute it under the gpl" that we really have the source |
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| 08:58.25 | rza | valdyn: yes, i've seen the bug |
| 08:58.51 | rza | valdyn: this bug prevents compiling gcc 2.95.3 on debian system |
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| 08:59.06 | liable | stew: i understand for something like a register array or something, that sounds fair. i dont see why that would be called a binary blob in the first state though |
| 08:59.24 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: I'll paste it in paster |
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| 08:59.44 | liable | stew: anyway, i dont want to get into the nitty gritty of it :) |
| 08:59.47 | Ben_Pang | liable,are you installed xen? |
| 08:59.54 | liable | Ben_Pang: nope, sorry |
| 09:00.14 | Ben_Pang | liable,thanks! |
| 09:00.41 | liable | Ben_Pang: there is a #debian-xen channel on irc.debian.org |
| 09:00.52 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: http://paste.debian.net/25515/ |
| 09:00.54 | liable | Ben_Pang: but not many in it. so be patient |
| 09:01.06 | valdyn | rza: that bug is from 2005 or older |
| 09:01.17 | Ben_Pang | ^^ |
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| 09:01.41 | rza | valdyn: it seems to be still present in lenny |
| 09:02.09 | rza | valdyn: it's a show stopper if you need to compile software with GCC2 |
| 09:02.35 | liable | why would you use gcc2? |
| 09:02.45 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: as I understand it couldn't create initial databases. am I right? |
| 09:03.18 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: do you mention federated in /etc/mysql/* or /etc/ |
| 09:03.26 | rza | liable: i got third party software that compiles only with GCC2 |
| 09:03.27 | valdyn | rza: rza 2.95.4 is in etch, people really need .3 ? |
| 09:03.46 | rza | valdyn: i can't find gcc/g++ 2.9 in lenny |
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| 09:03.58 | liable | rza: yikes |
| 09:04.31 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: what you mean by mention? |
| 09:04.38 | valdyn | rza: ill try to compile the etch release on lenny. hopefully the error is soonish |
| 09:04.48 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: I have configuration files in /etc/mysql/ |
| 09:04.57 | rza | valdyn: i can live with any GCC 2.x version but it seems that lenny doesn't ship those anymore |
| 09:05.00 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: does it have the word 'federated' in any of the files in /etc/mysql/ ? |
| 09:05.03 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: and I haven't change any think there |
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| 09:05.51 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: yeah, there is skip-federated in my.cnf |
| 09:06.14 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: remove that line |
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| 09:06.50 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: thanks you a lot :) you save me :) |
| 09:06.53 | Fox_1_ | it works |
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| 09:07.16 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: now, be careful when editing your config files :) |
| 09:07.33 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: I haven't changed anything there :) |
| 09:07.50 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: it comes with that line |
| 09:07.52 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 09:08.08 | valdyn | rza: oh well, depends on loads of old crap |
| 09:08.11 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: are you really sure? |
| 09:08.19 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 09:09.12 | Maulkin | goes to look |
| 09:09.49 | rza | valdyn: :/ |
| 09:10.04 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: first I have installed testing version and it gave that error. After that I have tried to install stable version and again error. after that I have remove (with --purge ) mysq-server and mysql-server-5.0 packages and installed them from testing. |
| 09:10.10 | valdyn | rza: building.. |
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| 09:11.49 | valdyn | rza: doesnt build |
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| 09:12.57 | rza | valdyn: what is the error? |
| 09:13.05 | valdyn | rza: cc: unrecognized option '-b' |
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| 09:13.25 | valdyn | rza: im not satisfying the autoconf2.13 or bison-1.35 depend though |
| 09:13.42 | rza | valdyn: i managed to compile gcc 2.95.3 in FC10 using GCC3 |
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| 09:13.58 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: the one in testing doesn't have that line |
| 09:14.07 | rza | maybe ill just make an etch installation |
| 09:14.17 | valdyn | rza: ill try gcc-3.4 then |
| 09:15.29 | Fox_1_ | but I have removed configuration files after removing the etch packages |
| 09:15.56 | Fox_1_ | also I have removed .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 09:16.06 | mbent | hi guys, i was wondering if someone could help me report a bug... i've looked at the BTS and couldn't find any information. I just installed debian etch-and-a-half from the netinst iso. chose all the default options in the install, and chose "Guided - full drive and encrypted lvm". it installed fine. rebooted into my new system. apt-get dist-upgraded to lenny. BAM! cryptsetup: failed to mount lvm (or something along those lines). |
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| 09:18.16 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: or on the etch one. |
| 09:18.32 | Maulkin | Fox_1_: So, I don't know where that line came from, but it's not the package. |
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| 09:20.21 | saler | need help for this error Plz see http://i39.tinypic.com/25hptug.jpg |
| 09:20.26 | Maulkin | mbent: well, if you have the exact error message, thjat would be good :) |
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| 09:21.05 | mbent | Maulkin, :P, i just have to reboot it to get that error message |
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| 09:21.19 | mbent | im playing.... trying to get it to work... in busy box |
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| 09:21.58 | mbent | actually.... it resembles this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=351679 |
| 09:22.17 | mbent | but there isn't much about it... and one guy says its working again |
| 09:22.45 | Maulkin | mbent: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507721 ? |
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| 09:23.45 | Fox_1_ | Maulkin: that's the miracle |
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| 09:23.46 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 09:24.34 | mbent | Maulkin, that sounds like it |
| 09:24.49 | mbent | Maulkin, but holy moly that is a big bug report |
| 09:24.50 | mbent | :S |
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| 09:26.05 | mbent | Maulkin, hmm, apparently that was only in unstable... i just installed lenny |
| 09:26.16 | mbent | maybe i should dist-upgrade straight to sid |
| 09:26.45 | Maulkin | mbent: nope, that was in lenny |
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| 09:27.08 | mbent | Maulkin, oh yeah, i see that now |
| 09:27.20 | mbent | Maulkin, I don't know whats going on then :( |
| 09:27.48 | Maulkin | Looks like you got a bug which has since been fixed. |
| 09:28.06 | mbent | but that shouldn't happen? |
| 09:28.18 | mbent | im using an up to date mirror :S |
| 09:28.56 | Maulkin | Hrm. I'd post another bug report to crypt-setup then |
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| 09:29.28 | mbent | can you give me any tips? I mean like... I can't ssh into it to copy what it says on the screen :P |
| 09:29.51 | Maulkin | mbent: take a photo? :) |
| 09:30.19 | mbent | :P |
| 09:30.39 | mbent | i'll take it at 3000dpi ;) |
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| 09:37.01 | i-pink | hii |
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| 09:37.17 | christoz | i've just installed the "screenlets" app for debian lenny, but when i exec it it throws mou an error that cannot find module pygtk , i've checked the dependecies of "screenlets" and all are satisfied, any help with that? (i use debian lenny with vesa driver) |
| 09:37.54 | simplechat | just a quick question, if i want to build things, is there something like build-essential that i need? |
| 09:38.07 | simplechat | or is there anywhere that i should look? |
| 09:38.15 | simplechat | (i don't want to build a kernel, just some software) |
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| 09:39.22 | themill | christoz: so the python-gtk2 package is installed? |
| 09:39.35 | christoz | yep |
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| 09:40.49 | SPF | lol: http://xkcd.com/149/ |
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| 09:42.03 | Danielss89 | Hi.. |
| 09:42.46 | Danielss89 | i need to install the newest version of OpenSSL which is OpenSSL 0.9.8j... but when i install with apt-get it installs the OpenSSL 0.9.8c or e version |
| 09:42.59 | themill | christoz: would you be able to pastebin the exact error for me? |
| 09:43.14 | themill | Danielss89: why do you need 0.9.8j? |
| 09:43.43 | Danielss89 | i need the newest version, as i am creating a certificate at goDaddy and they say i need the newest version.. |
| 09:44.25 | Danielss89 | if i use the c or e version i get this error at their site: The CSR you have created includes a possible compromised key. |
| 09:44.25 | Danielss89 | Please re-create your CSR and re-submit your request. |
| 09:44.38 | Danielss89 | so they say i need the newest version og openSSL |
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| 09:46.06 | christoz | themill, http://www.pastebin.ca/1303347 |
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| 09:48.39 | christoz | what if replace line 25 (which on pastebin is 33 ) withe python-gtk2? |
| 09:48.52 | christoz | themill, ? |
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| 09:49.47 | Danielss89 | But debian doesnt have the newest version? |
| 09:50.34 | themill | christoz: you don't have a locally compiled python do you? or have messed with the python library path? |
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| 09:51.27 | themill | Danielss89: no it doesn't and you shouldn't need it. Can you tell me what the output of "dpkg -l libssl0.9.8 | tail -1" is? |
| 09:51.34 | nfsnobody- | !pastebin |
| 09:51.34 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:52.01 | Danielss89 | themill: ii libssl0.9.8 0.9.8e-4 SSL shared libraries |
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| 09:52.33 | themill | Danielss89: what's the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 09:52.46 | Danielss89 | themill: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:52.51 | christoz | themill, i've never locally compiled python nor configure thr python path |
| 09:53.36 | christoz | library path* |
| 09:53.37 | themill | Danielss89: so how did you get 0.9.8e-4 on your etch machine? That's not the version that is in etch and there's a strong possibility that it *is* producing compromised keys |
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| 09:54.22 | Danielss89 | themill i installed it with apt-get :D |
| 09:54.25 | themill | christoz: hmm... does just running "python -m pygtk" produce the same error? |
| 09:54.27 | Danielss89 | apt-get install openssl |
| 09:54.54 | themill | Danielss89: then you must have a very very weird sources.list. Could you pastebin it along with the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 09:55.03 | christoz | themill, indeed |
| 09:55.16 | christoz | same error |
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| 09:55.31 | themill | christoz: ok... that works here for me in lenny, but I'll have extra python packages here. That's a start at least. |
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| 09:55.48 | christoz | :) |
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| 09:57.06 | Danielss89 | themill: http://pastie.org/355506 |
| 09:57.16 | christoz | so probably i need extra python packages, but why the system does not prompt me smth related about that? |
| 09:57.49 | christoz | (i guess i ask too much :P) |
| 09:57.58 | themill | christoz: this is a list of python packages that I have installed... http://rafb.net/p/NZ9v1r56.html I can't see any of them that look useful to you. And fundamentally, pygtk is in the python-gtk2 package that you say is installed. |
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| 09:58.40 | christoz | ok, i'll give it an eye |
| 09:58.56 | themill | christoz: Yes, if extra packages were required, they should be depended upon. What's the output of "which python ; readlink $(which python)" ? |
| 09:59.57 | christoz | the output is : /usr/local/bin/python |
| 10:00.10 | themill | christoz: *local*... |
| 10:00.19 | christoz | hmm |
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| 10:00.53 | themill | Danielss89: hmm... well you must have had other lines in there in the past as that version of openssl has never been in etch. (It was released after etch was released) |
| 10:02.05 | christoz | themill, hemical:/usr/local/bin# ls |
| 10:02.05 | christoz | idle pidgin pydoc python python2.5 python2.5-config python-config smtpd.py |
| 10:02.17 | rza | valdyn: i managed to install etch's packages |
| 10:02.21 | rza | valdyn: and they even work |
| 10:02.34 | christoz | should i make it "see" to another dir? |
| 10:02.36 | Danielss89 | themill but if i uninstall openssl and installs it again it installs the same version |
| 10:03.12 | themill | christoz: yeah... and that python doesn't look at the place where dpkg installs things. Can you get rid of that python? (or move it away) |
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| 10:04.07 | christoz | well there are 3 dirs with python should i get rid all of them? |
| 10:04.22 | themill | Danielss89: what happens if you "aptitude install libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch3" (this will likely create a lot of output and bitch about downgrading packages -- pastebin it so I can look at it if you're not sure what it's doing) |
| 10:04.49 | christoz | is there any relation that the sys is upgraded from etch? |
| 10:05.35 | themill | christoz: debian never touches anything in /usr/local. There's a chance that someone compiled python locally under etch to get a newer version of python2.5 than the one that is already in etch, I guess. |
| 10:06.22 | christoz | so it's my fault |
| 10:06.28 | themill | christoz: :P |
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| 10:06.47 | themill | dpkg, blame christoz |
| 10:06.47 | dpkg | blames Madkiss and christoz for all the evil in the world |
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| 10:07.01 | christoz | hehe |
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| 10:08.29 | christoz | yes , once upon a time i compiled pythin locally :P |
| 10:08.54 | themill | It probably seemed like good idea at the time |
| 10:08.57 | BorisSh | How can i create apt structure based on the info in the debs (so i could upload it to apt-proxy machine) |
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| 10:09.32 | BorisSh | when i worked with reprepro (it guessed all as main (while that was wrong) |
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| 10:10.18 | adsji | Hello, I got a problem with apt-get , could anyone please check this http://pastebin.com/m255687b |
| 10:10.52 | themill | adsji: that looks like you're trying to mix stable and testing which you can't do in that way. |
| 10:11.02 | BorisSh | adsji , you are using mixed testing , stable dist ? |
| 10:11.18 | themill | !wayttd adsji |
| 10:11.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, adsji? |
| 10:11.38 | bolt-work | !test |
| 10:11.38 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 10:11.42 | bolt-work | damn |
| 10:11.46 | bolt-work | i need to fix my network then |
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| 10:12.57 | Danielss89 | themill it just asks me if i would downgrade and that the score is -40 |
| 10:13.47 | themill | Danielss89: it doesn't ask about also downgrading openssl (and perhaps other packages too)? |
| 10:15.34 | themill | Danielss89: Tell that to stop, and then try "aptitude install libssl0.9.8=0.9.8c-4etch3 openssl=0.9.8c-4etch3" |
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| 10:16.50 | adsji | never mind |
| 10:16.54 | adsji | i fixed this |
| 10:16.57 | adsji | thanks anyway |
| 10:18.07 | themill | fsvo "fixed", I guess. |
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| 10:19.24 | themill | Danielss89: once you've successfully downgraded openssl, can you pastebin the output of "aptitude search ~o" for me? |
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| 10:21.02 | Slowatsch | is there a debian etch port for php 5.2.1? |
| 10:21.15 | Danielss89 | themill: uhm.... E: Unknown pattern type: o |
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| 10:21.47 | craigevil | Slowatsch: take a look at http://www.dotdeb.org/ |
| 10:22.10 | themill | craigevil: dotdeb :( |
| 10:22.46 | mhymn | aah, judd isn't here |
| 10:22.50 | themill | Danielss89: oh... that's a lenny thing... didn't know that wasn't in etch. |
| 10:23.00 | themill | come back judd! |
| 10:23.11 | mhymn | :P |
| 10:23.14 | themill | dpkg: tell Danielss89 about obsolete |
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| 10:23.47 | themill | !wb judd |
| 10:23.47 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned! |
| 10:24.15 | themill | Danielss89: I just want you to check that you don't have a pile of other packages that are from an out-of-date version of lenny (and contain known vulnerabilities like the openssl package you had) |
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| 10:24.31 | themill | Danielss89: have a look at the info on "obsolete" that dpkg just gave you |
| 10:25.22 | Danielss89 | themill: i've installed synaptic but i get this error when running it: (synaptic:27901): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 10:25.34 | themill | dpkg: tell Danielss89 about root x |
| 10:25.40 | S-i-A | Danielss89: run synaptic without ROOT |
| 10:26.05 | themill | Danielss89: are you doing this over an ssh connection? |
| 10:26.09 | Danielss89 | yes the-dude |
| 10:26.13 | Danielss89 | themill |
| 10:26.27 | themill | just use aptitude then, it'll be easier for you |
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| 10:29.08 | Danielss89 | themill: http://pastie.org/355516 |
| 10:29.43 | utrrrongeeb | I just got a larger monitor, but my Etch system's Xorg won't use its full resolution. The previous monitor was running at 1280x1024. The new monitor can do 1680x1050. Xorg now won't go over 1280x1024. Both monitors are LCD flat-panels. |
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| 10:31.11 | Tekno | add Virtual 2048 2048 |
| 10:31.14 | Tekno | to your xorg.conf |
| 10:31.18 | themill | Danielss89: they look mostly harmless. |
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| 10:31.56 | utrrrongeeb | Tekno: Were you talking to me? |
| 10:32.07 | streenz | is there some sort of trick to getting the Adobe Flash Player 10 working in Iceweasel (etch 32 bit), I downloaded it and put "libflashplayer.so" in the plugins directory but still nothin, what am I missing? |
| 10:32.18 | themill | streenz: aiui, you can't. |
| 10:32.41 | Tekno | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 10:33.01 | jelly-home | Tekno: tell him which Section to add it to, as well |
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| 10:33.18 | Tekno | ah |
| 10:33.20 | Tekno | utrrrongeeb: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2#xorg.conf |
| 10:33.22 | themill | Danielss89: OK. Just a couple more htings to make sure your openssl is going to behave. Check the output of "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8" to make sure that the versions for "candidate" and "installed" are the same. Also check the output of "openssl version" to make sure it's the 0.9.8c. |
| 10:33.27 | Tekno | SubSection "Display" |
| 10:33.46 | Tekno | there you must add virtual 2048 2048 |
| 10:36.01 | utrrrongeeb | Tekno: Thanks! Is this a common problem? |
| 10:36.05 | Tekno | yes |
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| 10:37.11 | osFrenchDude | how can I change system wide the character encoding from now iso-something to utf8 ? |
| 10:37.21 | utrrrongeeb | Tekno: Can the virtual screen resolution be something other than 2048x2048? |
| 10:37.27 | Tekno | sure |
| 10:37.40 | ndoodle | Hi, is it possible to configure a sungem ethernet card with dhcp on a imac powerpc? |
| 10:37.43 | Tekno | but 2048 2048 is propably enough for every resolution you need |
| 10:38.06 | Danielss89 | themill: http://pastie.org/355522 |
| 10:38.55 | Tekno | (unless you want dualhead/xinerama/twinview) |
| 10:39.04 | themill | Danielss89: all looks good to me. Now it's time for you to see if godaddy agrees :) |
| 10:39.04 | utrrrongeeb | Tekno: Would 2048x2048 be the attempted resolution (which would have to be panned), or is it a maximum? |
| 10:39.12 | Tekno | utrrrongeeb: maximum |
| 10:39.34 | Danielss89 | themill but 0.9.8 is a very old version isnt it? the newest is j |
| 10:39.55 | utrrrongeeb | Tekno: Sounds like that's work, then. Thanks a lot! :-) |
| 10:39.59 | Tekno | np |
| 10:40.12 | themill | Danielss89: old doesn't mean bad, it means better tested. |
| 10:40.54 | osFrenchDude | please |
| 10:40.56 | Danielss89 | ok ill try themill |
| 10:41.07 | themill | dpkg: tell osFrenchDude about locales |
| 10:41.52 | themill | osFrenchDude: that doesn't change the encoding in the files though |
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| 10:43.52 | osFrenchDude | themill: yes, but my system was utf8 before so... |
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| 10:44.43 | Danielss89 | themill ok seems like it accepts now :) thank you.. |
| 10:45.03 | Danielss89 | but it seems like i have a long way yet: An unknown system exception has occurred. Please contact customer support for help and additional information :D |
| 10:45.03 | themill | Danielss89: excellent. No worries |
| 10:45.23 | themill | heh... now that's one I *can't* help you with |
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| 10:46.14 | Danielss89 | hehe yeah :D well its something that the support is "only" 24 hours between each email.. |
| 10:47.35 | nsadmin | I'm trying to find why the version of timidity I have now (built with -g, nothing else special) is not loading the be-an-alsa-seq-client interface (selected with -iA) |
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| 10:48.07 | huwenfeng | the debian channel is really active, |
| 10:49.17 | nsadmin | when I look at /usr/share/doc/timidity-interfaces-extra I see a changelog, a changelog, a changelog and a copyright file... but no docs that suggest how these extra interfaces are supposed to load into timidity or which they are |
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| 10:57.00 | kd8ikt | thats a loty of changelogs |
| 10:57.28 | nsadmin | yathink?:) |
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| 10:58.09 | nsadmin | where's kd8? |
| 10:58.19 | kd8ikt | i have to use timidy to get tuxguitar sound |
| 10:58.26 | kd8ikt | ohio |
| 10:59.15 | nsadmin | used to have a yaesu hf/vhf |
| 11:02.08 | kd8ikt | i want one of those VX-7R's |
| 11:02.21 | nsadmin | used to have a 5r |
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| 11:03.04 | kd8ikt | cause i like to listen to aircraft band etc |
| 11:03.20 | nsadmin | 150mhz? |
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| 11:05.03 | kd8ikt | 128-130 AM is aircraft last i checked |
| 11:05.04 | nsadmin | anyway... you should be able to get the sound timidity is using, which most of the time is freepats |
| 11:05.43 | nsadmin | oh ok, noticed I guess other kinds of traffic at 150m |
| 11:05.52 | nsadmin | also timidity can use soundfonts |
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| 11:07.31 | jelly | and there're a couple of nice free-beer GM MIDI soundfonts around |
| 11:08.06 | nsadmin | we can trade the soundfonts for free beer?! |
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| 11:08.28 | jelly | no. |
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| 11:11.56 | jelly | nsadmin: are you using the default init script, or running timidity manually? |
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| 11:16.41 | bolt | The screen on my laptop keeps blacking out after ~1 hour. When it does, only pressing a physical key on the keyboard lights it back up. I control it with synergy normally, and pressing keys in synergy leaves it off. I've tried running "xset s off" and "xset dpms force on" but it doesn't come on. What can I do to get it to start again? |
| 11:17.03 | bolt | Actually it's not just going blank, the backlight turns off |
| 11:17.46 | bolt | When it's lit, I can do xset dpms force on/off to get it to go off and on. But when it goes off on its own, xset can't get it on again. |
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| 11:18.46 | bolt-work | turn on, damn screen |
| 11:19.00 | bolt | still off. i can type on irc through synergy :) |
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| 11:24.41 | themill | bolt: yeah, i see that sometimes too. (same setup w/ synergy, desktop, laptop) |
| 11:26.00 | bolt | no way to get it back on? |
| 11:26.06 | bolt-work | i CAN'T SEE! |
| 11:26.38 | bolt | ..or to prevent it going off in the first plAce? |
| 11:26.58 | themill | physical key is the only one I know of for my laptop. It works fine on a second desktop with synergy. |
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| 11:29.42 | themill | bolt: does messing with the dpms settings stop it from turning off to begin with? |
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| 11:32.50 | kd8ikt | what the hells synergy |
| 11:33.08 | S-i-A | can i add #debian to autoamtic login in my irc client? |
| 11:33.28 | kd8ikt | which client? |
| 11:33.35 | themill | kd8ikt: apt-cache show synergy |
| 11:33.36 | S-i-A | or send me like the last time to debian-oveflow or somthing like that? |
| 11:33.48 | S-i-A | :) |
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| 11:34.54 | g3tpi | Anyone tell me if there is a preference between athlon64 dual core and intel core duo for running vbox in sid ? |
| 11:34.57 | kd8ikt | oh neat, but cant X11 do that already just needs configuring |
| 11:35.13 | simonrvn | S-i-A: that was very likely a coincidence |
| 11:35.16 | kd8ikt | S-i-A: what client are you using? |
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| 11:36.17 | kd8ikt | cause irssi one would look to .irssirc for xchat, its got an option to autologin and join a list of channels per server |
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| 11:36.22 | themill | kd8ikt: no, xorg can't just share the keyboard and mouse between several computers with some extra configuration. (synergy also works on other legacy operating systems) |
| 11:36.31 | sep | kd8ikt, the point here is you can share it between your linux and your windows |
| 11:36.42 | S-i-A | kd8ikt: XCHAT in another PC irssi: |
| 11:36.49 | kd8ikt | ah but i dont use windows ;D |
| 11:37.03 | sep | kd8ikt, then you are among the blessed |
| 11:37.18 | kd8ikt | well i guess you could say i use the cd's for skeet shooting |
| 11:37.26 | kd8ikt | and beer coasters |
| 11:37.27 | S-i-A | what have to do with windows? what you talking about? |
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| 11:37.41 | kd8ikt | willis |
| 11:37.45 | S-i-A | kd8ikt: ^^ |
| 11:39.51 | bolt | themill: nope. i've disabled dpms in my .xsession |
| 11:39.55 | bolt | themill: it still turns off |
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| 11:40.44 | themill | bolt: and you're confident that your .xsession is being properly sourced etc. |
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| 11:41.03 | bolt | themill: definately. it does a few other things that i know happen |
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| 11:41.56 | bolt | themill: .xsession runs: xset s off, xset dpms 0 0 0 0, xset -dpms (, == linebreak) |
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| 11:42.27 | bolt | themill: also had xset dpms force on in there at some point. same result |
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| 11:51.55 | Pollero | Hi! Is there a way to tell scp to NOT download already downloaded files? my transfer just stalled. It downloaded over 150GB but there are still 200G left. I dont want to download already downloaded files two times |
| 11:53.18 | liable | use rsync |
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| 11:53.34 | Pollero | not option. If it is of course i would use it |
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| 11:53.43 | liable | why not? |
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| 11:54.09 | Pollero | the server from whick i download does not have rsync and not possible to install |
| 11:54.19 | petemc | scp isnt very smart |
| 11:54.31 | liable | rsync can (and you should) use ssh as the transport |
| 11:54.40 | Pollero | offtopic. i know all that :) My question was is it possible like it is with winscp |
| 11:56.02 | beardy | Use sftp if that's cleverer. |
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| 11:56.28 | beardy | If there's resume options, it's all in the manual, of scp. |
| 11:56.44 | Pollero | read it but nope. Well i need to think somethink |
| 11:56.47 | Pollero | thanks anyway |
| 11:56.58 | Trewas | Pollero: lftp can resume and it supports sftp |
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| 12:01.02 | ale666 | How many sites which have 5000 hits per day can i put on one dedicated server considering the server is a Core2Duo, 3GO, 100 Mbit/s. The sites are dynamic but don't do anything exessive on the server side. Just standard mysql, render templates... Thank you. |
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| 12:01.41 | Tekno | as many as you want |
| 12:02.12 | ale666 | Tekno: yes but no slow down |
| 12:02.38 | SQlvpapir | depends on software, code and useage pattern |
| 12:03.12 | octoserver | my debian during boot asks me to give root pass for maintanence, or press ctrl-D to skip. It never did this untill i copied my system to another set of drives. Any Ideaa why it is doing that and howto get rid of it ? |
| 12:03.13 | themill | php templates and mysql spells doom for that sort of thing. |
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| 12:11.58 | superjoe30 | so... gcj only supports up to 1.5. If I want java 6 for linux, am I breaking open source? |
| 12:12.22 | themill | superjoe30: openjdk-6-* packages are in lenny and sid |
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| 12:13.05 | superjoe30 | themill: should I uninstall gcj? |
| 12:13.10 | simplechat | hey, i'm wondering postgres is up to version 8, however even with etch backports there is only version 7 around. is it possible to get version 8 working under etch? |
| 12:13.14 | simplechat | or is it not worth the effort? |
| 12:13.14 | themill | superjoe30: otherwise, the sun-java6-* packages are in non-free for lenny/sid and in backprots.org for etch. |
| 12:13.18 | superjoe30 | I'm not quite sure how dependencies work |
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| 12:14.07 | themill | superjoe30: you don't need to. But dependencies should be OK if you install the -jdk package first. run update-java-alternatives after installing the new java packages |
| 12:14.17 | superjoe30 | ah, thanks for the tip |
| 12:14.21 | themill | dpkg: tell simplechat about bpo |
| 12:14.46 | simplechat | themill, bpo? |
| 12:14.59 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
| 12:15.05 | themill | simplechat: read the message the dpkg bot just sent you |
| 12:15.07 | simplechat | ah, missed the window |
| 12:15.08 | simplechat | reading |
| 12:15.13 | themill | judd versions postgresql-8.3 |
| 12:15.14 | judd | themill: postgresql-8.3 -- etch-backports: 8.3.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.5-1 sid: 8.3.5-1 experimental: 8.3.5-2 |
| 12:15.21 | simplechat | yeah, thats what i was doing |
| 12:15.25 | simplechat | but it only had version 7.4 |
| 12:15.36 | simonrvn | has posetgres 8 installed on his etch box |
| 12:15.42 | simonrvn | post* |
| 12:15.59 | simplechat | i used the instructions from http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 12:16.08 | simplechat | but they installed 7.4 |
| 12:16.58 | themill | they aren't instructions for installing postgres. So what did you actually do? |
| 12:17.17 | simplechat | one sec whilst i scrollback |
| 12:17.34 | kharloss | hi there. i have SMTP port - 25 - open on my server . i want to know what daemon is ? |
| 12:17.41 | simplechat | aptitude -t etch-backports install postgresql postgresql-client |
| 12:17.44 | simplechat | which installed 7.4 |
| 12:17.48 | simplechat | rather then 8.2 |
| 12:18.06 | themill | judd versions postgresql |
| 12:18.09 | judd | themill: postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22 etch-backports: 8.3.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 8.3.5-1 sid: 8.3.5-1 experimental: 8.3.5-2 |
| 12:18.19 | simonrvn | kharloss: probably exim4 |
| 12:18.55 | simplechat | themill, yeah which is the odd thing |
| 12:18.58 | themill | simplechat: works here... |
| 12:19.15 | themill | simplechat: did you "aptitude update" after adding backports.org? |
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| 12:19.43 | simplechat | yeah, but i did have an older version which i uninstalled |
| 12:19.48 | simplechat | but woudl that do anything? |
| 12:19.56 | simplechat | i've reupdated now |
| 12:20.01 | simplechat | so the command i gave should work? |
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| 12:20.23 | themill | simplechat: shouldn't matter. What's the output of apt-cache policy postgresql (use a pastebin) |
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| 12:21.48 | kharloss | somebody can recomand me a good GPL control panel hosting a few websites/ftp/mail etc sith a good debian support ofcourse . i tried syscp but i found a few issues ... any advice will be apreaciate. |
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| 12:22.08 | simplechat | http://pastebin.ca/1303433 |
| 12:22.17 | simplechat | kharloss, webpanel, iirc |
| 12:22.23 | simplechat | i kinda forget its naem |
| 12:22.29 | simplechat | *name |
| 12:23.11 | simplechat | ok |
| 12:23.17 | simplechat | now this is when i go wtf |
| 12:23.59 | themill | simplechat: that indicates that you don't successfully have backports.org in your sources.list... can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list? |
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| 12:24.23 | simplechat | themill, yeah, i just noticed that i had something other then backports.org in my sources.list |
| 12:24.25 | simplechat | which i'm fixing now |
| 12:24.44 | themill | ahh |
| 12:24.45 | simplechat | which is odd, because i installed ejabberd from backports |
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| 12:24.50 | simplechat | on this particular server |
| 12:25.13 | groton | hi. I have a wlan0 wireless network interface, when i turn on the computer i need to do ifdown/ifup to make it bring a ip address by dhcp. Why do i need to bring it up and down? ANy hint? |
| 12:26.15 | liable | groton: do you have an 'auto wlan0' line in your interfaces file? |
| 12:26.33 | Wesley_ | Hello. can someone enlighten me what this means "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 118: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val == 17 || info[20]->d_un.d_val == 7' failed!" ? |
| 12:26.40 | groton | liable, yes, it is already active, if i run /sbin/ifconfig it gets listed. |
| 12:27.46 | groton | i also have allow-hotplug wlan0 in my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:27.57 | groton | it is up, but i have not got an ip |
| 12:29.40 | simplechat | hey themill is http://pastebin.ca/1303435 that right? |
| 12:29.52 | groton | liable, wpa_action.log shows that when it has been automically brought up it have not received any dhcp offer. When i did ifup/down then it got an ip by dhcp |
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| 12:30.47 | themill | simplechat: looks much better. That aptitude install line you used earlier should now pick up the 8.3 version from bpo |
| 12:31.42 | simplechat | ok |
| 12:32.11 | simplechat | ok, its now installing the 8.3 version :) |
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| 12:34.37 | simplechat | thanks very much themill :D |
| 12:34.47 | themill | no worries! |
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| 12:36.56 | simplechat | :) |
| 12:37.05 | simplechat | themill, would you have any particular choices on tutorials? |
| 12:37.16 | simplechat | for postgres on debian? (i've found a couple, but they don't seem to work) |
| 12:37.27 | themill | no. only ever used it once. |
| 12:37.52 | nsadmin | do you have it intalled and running |
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| 12:43.49 | ^Evgen | how can I know why wget doesn't retrieve the whole site? |
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| 12:44.24 | Wesley_ | is there any way to view the recent installed/changed packages? |
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| 12:44.45 | jelly | Wesley_: dpkg and aptitude have logs in /var/log |
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| 12:46.02 | simonrvn | ^Evgen: because it doesn't by default ... |
| 12:46.15 | ^Evgen | simonrvn, I am using the option -r |
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| 12:46.36 | simonrvn | might want to look harder at the manual or --help |
| 12:46.52 | Tekno | http://www.pastebin.ca/1303440 <- can I remove any of these ? |
| 12:46.53 | ^Evgen | I have looked at it |
| 12:47.58 | jelly | ^Evgen: in addition, wget doesn't handle javascript or some other fancy stuff |
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| 12:48.23 | Tekno | dynamic content.. |
| 12:48.26 | ^Evgen | jelly, they seem like usual links |
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| 12:49.24 | ^Evgen | and they are, looked in the source |
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| 12:53.01 | ^Evgen | oh I see now, it can't write special symbols to filenames |
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| 13:01.45 | XaeroOne | would debian be a good noob distro? |
| 13:02.22 | XaeroOne | as I understand the way linux looks depends on the desktop enviornment |
| 13:02.44 | XaeroOne | so should it make a big difference which distro I choose? |
| 13:02.44 | cusco | debian can adapt to any needs |
| 13:02.50 | simonrvn | console looks about the same everywhere ;) |
| 13:02.59 | streuner | if you are able to read and not have a problem to learn, yes ;-) |
| 13:03.26 | flokuehn | Tekno: from which program did you get this information? |
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| 13:03.52 | Tekno | sysv-rc-conf --list |
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| 13:11.15 | simonrvn | judd versions iptables |
| 13:11.17 | judd | simonrvn: iptables -- etch: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 lenny: 1.4.1.1-3 sid: 1.4.2-2 |
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| 13:18.10 | jelly | why does judd version iptables? |
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| 13:32.27 | dejai | Hey guys, I was just wondering what would be a normal sort of memory use to be expected of a very basic debian install with fluxbox as the window manager. |
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| 13:36.51 | schme | dejai: All of it. |
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| 13:37.45 | schme | dejai: I'm running a much lighter wm than fluxbox and 4GB of RAM is being used. |
| 13:38.02 | schme | Which I'm actually quite upset by. I would prefer all my RAM to be used. |
| 13:38.11 | schme | anyway your q does not make that much sense, sorry :) |
| 13:38.36 | dejai | schme, Oh ya I see your point. |
| 13:38.39 | dejai | Never mind :P |
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| 13:38.55 | schme | It would run just fine on 512MB. |
| 13:39.23 | schme | (heck it'd run just fine on 32MB, for some values of "just fine") |
| 13:39.36 | dejai | schme, Ya I have it running at about 90mb with only htop open. |
| 13:40.21 | schme | That's crazy. |
| 13:40.23 | schme | !! |
| 13:40.24 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 13:40.33 | schme | dpkg: That's hillarious :) |
| 13:40.33 | dpkg | schme: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:40.42 | schme | dpkg: I found what you said there very funny. |
| 13:40.42 | dpkg | i don't know, schme |
| 13:40.53 | Eulex | !bot |
| 13:40.53 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 13:41.27 | dejai | schme, Whats crazy? |
| 13:41.41 | schme | dejai: That you have a system running that is only using 90mb :) |
| 13:41.55 | dejai | Oh I thought that was to high :( |
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| 13:42.00 | dejai | too* |
| 13:42.09 | schme | No, that is not high. |
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| 13:42.29 | schme | As I said.. I'm running a light debian system here. Not much going on. just X and a wm, a bit of firefox. |
| 13:42.32 | schme | using 4GB of RAM: |
| 13:42.34 | schme | that's normal. |
| 13:42.41 | dejai | schme, Ya I just saw someone get even lower so I wanted to get optimization tips. |
| 13:42.45 | schme | What is bugging me is that it is actually not using more of it. |
| 13:42.59 | schme | Why do you want your RAM to *not* be used though? |
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| 13:43.26 | dejai | schme, How do you define "using" it |
| 13:43.34 | schme | As this: |
| 13:43.39 | schme | Mem: 8199676k total, 3933184k used, 4266492k free, 95072k buffers |
| 13:43.48 | schme | So roughly 4GB is being used by the system. |
| 13:44.09 | schme | mostly linux caching stuff. which is wonderful. |
| 13:44.25 | dejai | schme, I suppose I don't have anything to cache. |
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| 13:44.36 | schme | I'd be very unhappy if that said I was using just 90mb, nah mean? It would mean linux was not working very well. |
| 13:45.15 | schme | I guess.. |
| 13:45.18 | dejai | Well thats a shame. |
| 13:45.20 | schme | still seems very strange ;) |
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| 13:45.42 | schme | and really.. on unix systems there is no gain in using *less* RAM. you actually want to use *more* RAM: |
| 13:45.49 | schme | that's what it is for. |
| 13:45.49 | EugenMayer | iam building a debian VM ( apache + perl ) for the OS-Project Foswiki. What tips can i get to shrink it down? |
| 13:45.52 | dejai | schme, I am probably just reading it wrong then. Most likely a users fault not linuxes. |
| 13:46.12 | jelly | !free |
| 13:46.12 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 13:46.13 | schme | dejai: Well I dunno.. or are you just talking about the actual fluxbox process? |
| 13:46.24 | dejai | schme, Ya I think thats it. |
| 13:46.30 | schme | oh. |
| 13:46.35 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 13:46.35 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 13:46.40 | jelly | simonrvn: thanks |
| 13:46.58 | simonrvn | jelly: i make the same mistake all the time, np |
| 13:46.58 | schme | dejai: Well that's another thing, true. My bad :) |
| 13:47.16 | dejai | scheme, No my bad for not communicating it. |
| 13:47.20 | zoed | !swapwake |
| 13:47.20 | dpkg | After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk: cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null |
| 13:47.46 | themill | zoed: not needed for lenny, though |
| 13:47.50 | schme | dejai: Well if your crazy about these kinds of things you can always build it yourself and remove gunk you don't need. |
| 13:48.22 | schme | dejai: worst case scenario there are no good configuration options for the build so you have to actually delete shit from the source. But it is all doable. |
| 13:48.45 | jelly | likes TuxOnIce's saving of buffers/cache, compared to in-kernel (u)swsusp clearing it all |
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| 13:49.28 | simonrvn | i wonder if it's worth it for a desktop box to suspend that way |
| 13:49.50 | simonrvn | other than the obvious power savings |
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| 13:50.39 | schme | dejai: Or just run a wm that is not as bloated as fluxbox ;) |
| 13:50.43 | DireFog | !lenny |
| 13:50.43 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 13:50.47 | simonrvn | i accidentily tried it on this box once, it didn't come up too well, or at least i was clueless on how to make it come back up properly. |
| 13:51.00 | jelly | simonrvn: if the mgt forces you to power off the machines at the end of the day... |
| 13:51.06 | dejai | schme, recommendations? |
| 13:51.12 | simonrvn | i'm mgt. |
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| 13:51.22 | jelly | simonrvn: /o\ |
| 13:51.35 | simonrvn | it's a home box, silly ;) |
| 13:51.39 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 13:53.04 | schme | dejai: That really depends what kind of wm you like :) If you like all the clickin' then I think fluxbox is nice and small. :) Also I try not to recommend stuff like that. It is so much a matter of taste and how one uses it (: |
| 13:53.13 | SPF | lol: http://www.ledtuning.nl/gallery/ledtechnical/comic_long_wires.gif |
| 13:53.59 | dejai | schme, I don't like clicking stuff :P |
| 13:54.15 | jelly | installs a metronome near dejai |
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| 13:54.34 | simonrvn | jelly: so, you guess not, or up to me, i guess. |
| 13:54.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 13:55.27 | the_sniff | 15:53:19 the_sniff: I'm having to deal with some moronic SysAdmin firm, and I need an article from a respected source about having to reinstall after being root'ed |
| 13:55.39 | schme | dejai: Also there is problems with memory usage checking. A lot of it is generally not actively used, but the kernel has not reclaimed it 'cause there has been no need for it. |
| 13:55.40 | jelly | simonrvn: I've done my part, modprobed powernow-k8 and enabled ondemand cpufreq governor ;-) |
| 13:55.49 | simonrvn | the_sniff: that's just common sense |
| 13:55.54 | schme | dejai: If you love your keyboard I'd recommend xmonad ;) |
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| 13:56.08 | schme | dejai: or ratpoison if you want it ultra light :P |
| 13:56.10 | dejai | thanks |
| 13:56.30 | schme | dejai: But the 90mb for the process.. It is probably a very misleading number. (: |
| 13:56.32 | simonrvn | the_sniff: if they think not, then they're fools, and change whatevers |
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| 13:57.04 | the_sniff | simonrvn: i know, and my boss need's them since im not available on weekends. I even quit my job before because of them. now i just program and don't do sysadmining :s |
| 13:57.34 | simonrvn | the_sniff: fuck, that sucks |
| 13:57.56 | the_sniff | not really, they just gave me an excuse :p |
| 13:58.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 13:58.31 | simonrvn | jelly: assuming that's a lappy there? |
| 13:58.47 | the_sniff | is there any source i could use to make my point?cause honstley i don't really care, but this is plain stupid |
| 13:58.54 | simonrvn | this thing is too old to support powernow-* |
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| 13:59.01 | jelly | simonrvn: desktop |
| 13:59.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 13:59.13 | jelly | simonrvn: amd64 x2 cpu |
| 13:59.18 | simonrvn | it's an old irongate |
| 13:59.57 | simonrvn | the_sniff: i'm sure there are, but i just know this from experience, and learning from others |
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| 14:00.39 | xarvh | problem: just "apt-get upgrade"d to unstable and when i startx, xorg complains about being unable to load fixed fonts, even if i have all the xfonts-* in place.... any clue? |
| 14:01.01 | simonrvn | themill: check out #d oftc, autokill crapflood |
| 14:01.10 | corehosting | hello @all |
| 14:01.16 | corehosting | I use >time ls< and the output is fine, now I want to format the output and so I try to use >time -f "%E real" ls<, but I get "bash: -f: command not found" |
| 14:01.21 | corehosting | somebody an idea? |
| 14:01.46 | simonrvn | run it in a subshell perhaps |
| 14:01.51 | cydork | corehosting, use /usr/bin/time |
| 14:02.05 | simonrvn | or that |
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| 14:02.56 | corehosting | cydork: perfect, this is the solution!!! |
| 14:03.01 | corehosting | many thx |
| 14:03.15 | corehosting | simonrvn: thx too |
| 14:03.22 | corehosting | :-) |
| 14:03.22 | cydork | corehosting, yes, if you don't give the path it uses time from bash. try help time |
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| 14:03.52 | corehosting | yes, no I see |
| 14:03.57 | corehosting | yes, now I see |
| 14:04.01 | corehosting | thx |
| 14:04.03 | jelly | the_sniff: um... http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-Quickstart-HOWTO/intrusion.html ? |
| 14:04.04 | corehosting | :-) |
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| 14:05.29 | TwistOfFate | hi all |
| 14:05.34 | schme | Hi |
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| 14:06.28 | S-i-A | any infos in debian wiki or by bot about create font package? |
| 14:07.09 | jelly | the_sniff: I'm just browsing thru http://www.google.com/search?q=reinstall+OR+clean.install+security.breach+OR+break.in+OR+intrusion |
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| 14:07.41 | the_sniff | jelly thanks |
| 14:07.42 | the_sniff | ltns btw |
| 14:07.48 | jelly | the_sniff: basically it boils down to "you can't really know whether there are any backdoors left" |
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| 14:07.54 | the_sniff | i know |
| 14:08.11 | the_sniff | i just needs stuff to back me up cause they iritate me and i wind up getting pissed off and yell at them |
| 14:08.24 | schme | pffft. |
| 14:08.31 | jelly | don't do that, that's where they win. :-) |
| 14:08.42 | jelly | lazy asstards ;-) |
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| 14:09.08 | cydork | the_sniff, read about bofh :) |
| 14:09.13 | the_sniff | you won't believe it if i told u the whole story :p |
| 14:09.17 | the_sniff | bofh ? |
| 14:09.18 | the_sniff | ? bofh |
| 14:09.22 | cydork | !bofh |
| 14:09.22 | dpkg | from memory, bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
| 14:10.01 | the_sniff | oh well, they |
| 14:10.19 | the_sniff | oh well, they're more like miofg Moronic-Incompetant Operator from Hell |
| 14:10.27 | schme | hahaha! |
| 14:10.38 | schme | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.50 | the_sniff | lol |
| 14:11.01 | jelly | would do a |tac in there somewhere |
| 14:11.18 | jelly | possibly a $2 > 200, too |
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| 14:11.51 | jelly | $3, sorry |
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| 14:12.45 | simonrvn | !win jelly |
| 14:12.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:12.58 | bittin^ | !win bittin |
| 14:12.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, bittin! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 14:13.05 | simonrvn | let's try that again, shall we? |
| 14:13.07 | jelly | simonrvn: yay, a second one! |
| 14:13.10 | simonrvn | !win jelly |
| 14:13.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:13.16 | simonrvn | ... |
| 14:13.16 | bittin^ | !win simonrvn |
| 14:13.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:13.21 | asg | !botabuse |
| 14:13.22 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 14:13.22 | jelly | simonrvn: yay, a combo |
| 14:13.27 | simonrvn | *HEADDESK* |
| 14:13.27 | DanDare | !win dpkg |
| 14:13.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 14:13.36 | stoned | good morning |
| 14:13.37 | bittin^ | !win asg |
| 14:13.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:13.46 | simonrvn | of course the effing bot gets the less lame one |
| 14:13.48 | jelly | !+tell bittin^ -about msg the bot |
| 14:13.49 | dpkg | told bittin^ about msg the bot. |
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| 14:13.52 | Eulex | !botrape |
| 14:13.52 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 14:13.59 | sebbs | lol |
| 14:14.02 | stoned | stop |
| 14:14.04 | jelly | !penixstrike |
| 14:14.04 | dpkg | Dozens of Penices shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 14:14.09 | stoned | enough. |
| 14:14.20 | simonrvn | they changed it |
| 14:14.26 | jelly | they did. |
| 14:14.38 | stoned | simon, jelly, hi |
| 14:14.41 | sebbs | who owns dpkg ? |
| 14:14.43 | simonrvn | !penixstrike jelly |
| 14:14.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:14.45 | simonrvn | hi |
| 14:14.48 | stoned | sebbs, the don of the don |
| 14:14.51 | jelly | dpkg: who owns you |
| 14:14.51 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
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| 14:15.06 | simonrvn | who's your daddy? |
| 14:15.07 | stoned | like a double don |
| 14:15.09 | stoned | super don even |
| 14:15.32 | Jckf | Is it possible to remove the restriction for non-root users binding ports below 1024? |
| 14:15.47 | stoned | Jckf, sure but why |
| 14:15.57 | stoned | Jckf, don't do it |
| 14:15.59 | sebbs | stoned: how much wood could a wook chuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 14:16.00 | jelly | simonrvn: the strike works in both single attack and channel modes. |
| 14:16.13 | stoned | sebbs, as much wood as it takes you to be ontopic in #debian. |
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| 14:16.17 | simonrvn | so it seems |
| 14:16.43 | jelly | Jckf: which non-root app do you want to run on a low port? |
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| 14:16.51 | Jckf | ircd |
| 14:17.08 | stoned | tsk tsk tsk |
| 14:17.09 | jelly | Jckf: you can work around it with iptables |
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| 14:17.33 | Jckf | jelly: That it is possible doesn't mean that I can do it =P |
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| 14:18.13 | jelly | Jckf: if you don't have root privileges, you can't do it. |
| 14:18.17 | stoned | Jckf, is this ircd packaged in debian? afaik it should be startable through init.d and as such should run with root priv. |
| 14:18.21 | Jckf | I have root privileges |
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| 14:18.36 | stoned | and then you have access to start it on any port |
| 14:18.42 | Jckf | stoned: ircd shouldn't be run as root |
| 14:18.46 | jelly | Jckf: so, what's the reason for not being able to do something like iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d $MY_IP -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 28080 ? |
| 14:18.56 | stoned | Jckf, which is why I asked, sure, but why? |
| 14:18.58 | joltcan | Yeah, iptables redirect is the shit |
| 14:18.59 | stoned | don't do it. |
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| 14:19.02 | stoned | remember :) |
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| 14:19.33 | jelly | posix capabilities should be able to help but I haven't had much luck actually making them work |
| 14:20.40 | jelly | also, -j REDIRECT doesn't work if trying to redirect from eth0 to a service lisetning on lo |
| 14:20.57 | Jckf | ircd is listening on all IFs |
| 14:21.08 | Jckf | And httpd is taking up 80 on eth0 |
| 14:21.16 | Jckf | But I want ircd to take 80 on eth0:1 |
| 14:21.38 | jelly | Jckf: is httpd listening solely on the eth0 ip? |
| 14:21.45 | Jckf | Yes |
| 14:21.50 | Jckf | Your iptables command made it work |
| 14:21.51 | Jckf | Marry me |
| 14:22.22 | jelly | are gay marriages legal in your country? |
| 14:22.54 | Jckf | I doubt it |
| 14:22.59 | bolt-work | come to norway |
| 14:23.01 | bolt-work | they are here |
| 14:23.01 | jelly | oh well. |
| 14:23.02 | bolt-work | :P |
| 14:23.06 | cydork | jelly, you will if they are? :O |
| 14:23.12 | Jckf | This is Noway, bolt-work |
| 14:23.21 | jelly | No-way, huh. |
| 14:23.29 | bolt-work | then i can inform you that gay marriages are legal in your country |
| 14:23.31 | bolt-work | :) |
| 14:23.36 | jelly | gets the message |
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| 14:23.42 | Jckf | Hehe. Ok |
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| 14:24.03 | stoned | what you should be fighting about is not the 'gay' part of marriage, but should fight about marriage not being a legal institution. Anyway |
| 14:24.10 | jelly | Jckf: OTOH if you're a female nordian beauty... |
| 14:24.16 | bolt-work | that being said, i have a lovely girlfriend and do not wish to parttake in any of the aforementioned activity |
| 14:24.17 | stoned | if marriage didn't exist, would you invent it? |
| 14:24.21 | stoned | thats what I thought. |
| 14:24.32 | stoned | moving on |
| 14:24.32 | Jckf | jelly: I'm male, AND in a relationship |
| 14:24.38 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:24.38 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:24.43 | Jckf | ;) |
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| 14:25.12 | the_sniff | thanks people |
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| 14:27.10 | ArmEagle | hmm, my default linux help channel is not responding. I've got a user running tons of 'ps' commands that aren't dieing. I tried several things, but even a simple kill -9 [pid] doesn't get it killed (by root of course). |
| 14:27.38 | stoned | ArmEagle, look at the status flag |
| 14:27.39 | Jckf | kill -15? |
| 14:27.41 | abrotman | ArmEagle: which distro are you using? and did you ask ##linux ? |
| 14:27.42 | stoned | ArmEagle, is it a zombie |
| 14:27.49 | Odeen | ArmEagle, you have some "zombie" process |
| 14:27.57 | ArmEagle | abrotman oh it is debian. else I wouldn't ask :) |
| 14:27.57 | bolt-work | kill {1..20} <pid> :D |
| 14:28.00 | stoned | nm |
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| 14:29.51 | ArmEagle | -15 doesn't work, nor the {1..20}. |
| 14:29.56 | ArmEagle | stoned status flag? |
| 14:30.03 | stoned | ps x|grep Z |
| 14:30.13 | stoned | px axf|grep z |
| 14:30.15 | stoned | capital Z |
| 14:30.17 | stoned | fuck me runnin |
| 14:30.43 | ArmEagle | heh. they're all <defunct> |
| 14:30.59 | themill | it's the parent that needs killing |
| 14:31.05 | ArmEagle | ah check |
| 14:31.13 | stoned | !ppid |
| 14:31.13 | dpkg | ppid is probably Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 14:31.15 | themill | (or rather it needs fixing) |
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| 14:32.13 | Odeen | ArmEagle, did you try a "sync" command? |
| 14:32.26 | stoned | Zee vs. Zedd, I like Zedd, but Zee is easier to say |
| 14:32.29 | ArmEagle | Odeen i did use that some time ago.. |
| 14:32.40 | ArmEagle | you mean that as solution, or as culprit? |
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| 14:33.06 | ArmEagle | hmm yes well. 'ps' processes are started by a script, which are all defunct too, which are run by cron .. |
| 14:33.16 | stoned | Uhm... hang on, how coulb you be using debian, but then say your default linux help channel isn't responding. |
| 14:33.19 | stoned | are you fucking with us? |
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| 14:33.35 | ArmEagle | stoned i've got a small group of friends all using linux. |
| 14:33.43 | Odeen | try it and restart the system, sync don't solve your problem but avoid data lost |
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| 14:42.22 | Danielss89 | Hmm themill do you know how to add extra things when creating the csr file? i got this response from the support : http://pastie.org/355677 |
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| 14:47.18 | dividinglimits | is there anyone here with pureftpd installation experience? |
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| 14:47.51 | spersaud | when will debian be released ? |
| 14:47.55 | abrotman | dividinglimits: ask a better question |
| 14:47.58 | abrotman | !tell spersaud about wwlr |
| 14:48.41 | dividinglimits | I am having difficulties enabling virtual users for pureFTP on debian etch... does anyone have any experience? |
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| 14:49.04 | Odeen | dividinglimits, some time ago .... |
| 14:49.31 | Odeen | pure-pw permit you manage this accounts |
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| 14:51.05 | dividinglimits | just pure-pw permit? |
| 14:51.10 | TwistOfFate | does freenode support host cloaking? |
| 14:51.13 | stoned | you have to specify, which kinds of difficulties |
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| 14:51.17 | stoned | TwistOfFate, yes |
| 14:51.25 | TwistOfFate | how do you activate it stoned? |
| 14:51.29 | stoned | TwistOfFate, /join #freenode and request it there |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | TwistOfFate: you have to talk to staff .. see freenode.net |
| 14:51.34 | TwistOfFate | oh right, ta. |
| 14:51.56 | stoned | TwistOfFate, they will tell you how to register nick, etc, and then ask an oper about a cloak |
| 14:52.35 | TwistOfFate | ok |
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| 14:53.15 | Odeen | dividinglimits, you may add a new (and real) user. When the new account has been created you can map virtual users using "pure-pw" command |
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| 14:54.25 | dividinglimits | Odeen: i have created a new user through pure-pw useradd then commit the changes, however my virtual users get rejected |
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| 14:55.27 | bazyl | hi everybody! |
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| 14:56.27 | stoned | hello bazyl |
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| 14:56.47 | Odeen | dividinglimits, has been the real uid of this user mapped corretcly? Maybe a invalid shell (see it in /etc/shells)? Do the real permissions of user's home directory allow to read and execute it? |
| 14:57.50 | dividinglimits | Odeen, the user has correct permissions, and i set the directory via the -d option... is there something else i need to use to map it? |
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| 15:01.04 | Odeen | dividinglimits, no, you must specify real uid when you add the user via pure-pw command. The map is only this uid reference. |
| 15:01.49 | dividinglimits | Odeen: how do you do that? |
| 15:01.54 | Odeen | you told us about user's database has been reloaded, isn't it? |
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| 15:02.37 | Odeen | dividinglimits, probably you have a virtual user's passwd file (maybe /etc/pureftpd.passwd) |
| 15:03.04 | Odeen | inside of this file you can see the fields, similar to the passwd file |
| 15:03.40 | Odeen | one of them (I don't remember which) is the real user's uid |
| 15:04.20 | stoned | dun dun dun! |
| 15:04.31 | stoned | 800~ish mb of updates :( |
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| 15:05.08 | Odeen | pure-ftpd uses a passwd database, like a FreeBSD, you must reload the database if some changes has been commited on it |
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| 15:06.11 | stoned | hm.. I get about 1MB/s so about 800 seconds |
| 15:06.30 | stoned | 600 = 10 min, plus another few, looksl ike 15 minutes till the system is upgraded |
| 15:06.39 | stoned | round about |
| 15:06.59 | schme | time to pull me some nvidia drivers! |
| 15:07.04 | stoned | ew |
| 15:07.06 | stoned | :) |
| 15:07.19 | schme | it's good man! |
| 15:07.24 | stoned | its all godo man |
| 15:07.33 | stoned | just teasin' ya |
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| 15:07.49 | abrotman | resets stoned's router |
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| 15:08.04 | stoned | hehe |
| 15:08.11 | sami | Are there any people good at preseeds here? |
| 15:08.12 | stoned | evil a-hole! |
| 15:08.22 | stoned | after 15 min you can do it I don't mind |
| 15:08.23 | stoned | :) |
| 15:08.24 | abrotman | sami: there's a section about it in the installation manual |
| 15:08.43 | dividinglimits | Odeen: what do I need to do to the passwd file? and yes i ran the pure-pw mkdb after to commit the new user |
| 15:08.56 | schme | oh rite. I can't have X running while building it. |
| 15:09.00 | schme | death to X |
| 15:09.00 | sami | abrotman: Well i'm stuck at something that i couldn't find in there |
| 15:09.05 | stoned | no not death to X |
| 15:09.06 | sami | d-i base-config apt-setup/security-updates boolean false does not work |
| 15:09.10 | stoned | read appendix A |
| 15:09.18 | stoned | or B, I forgot which one, its one of the appendices |
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| 15:09.29 | schme | stoned: Ya man. I can't build the nvidia driver with it running |
| 15:09.36 | stoned | schme, ok |
| 15:09.53 | abrotman | sami: but you want those |
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| 15:10.08 | sami | abrotman: Nope. Not today. |
| 15:10.25 | sami | This installation is "internetless" |
| 15:10.29 | abrotman | are you sure that's the flag ? |
| 15:10.45 | sami | I get an error because they cannot connect to the internet. |
| 15:10.48 | sami | Yep |
| 15:10.50 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-mirror |
| 15:10.53 | stoned | seems to be |
| 15:11.05 | stoned | and its appndx. B |
| 15:11.30 | schme | horray. |
| 15:12.12 | schme | Linux cuddlebox 2.6.26.8-rt12 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Jan 8 05:09:15 CET 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux . horray. with the nvidia. |
| 15:12.21 | Odeen | dividinglimits, only add a new user (the real user who has been used by the virtual users later), but I think that you has created it yet |
| 15:12.29 | schme | I still don't see why debian refuses to ship a RT kernel :) |
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| 15:12.44 | jelly | schme: will YOU maintain it? |
| 15:12.50 | schme | jelly: Sure man. |
| 15:13.10 | stoned | i don't think you could. |
| 15:13.11 | jelly | schme: then join #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org and offer help |
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| 15:13.40 | karmatronic | hi therre |
| 15:13.47 | schme | It's quite fun maintaining packages anyway ;) |
| 15:13.51 | jelly | schme: prepare some of your kernel work references. |
| 15:14.02 | stoned | schme, I'vee seen you ask the questions you ask in here, you can't mainain an RT kernel in debian proper |
| 15:14.13 | schme | stoned: What questions have you seen me ask? |
| 15:14.20 | stoned | schme, but try, learn, I'm not discouragin gyou |
| 15:14.33 | dividinglimits | Odeen: does the pure-pw not add a "real" ftp user? |
| 15:14.41 | schme | I didn't even know I had asked a question in here. |
| 15:14.43 | karmatronic | dividinglimits: right |
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| 15:15.02 | dividinglimits | how would you create a real user then? |
| 15:15.09 | stoned | adduser ? |
| 15:15.11 | Odeen | dividinglimits, no, you must create it first (or later, with a concrete UID) |
| 15:15.12 | karmatronic | dividinglimits: that s why it asks for a UID/GID when creating the virtual user |
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| 15:15.28 | schme | stoned: Seriously man, I have no idea I had asked questions in here :) |
| 15:15.39 | schme | jelly: They're always prepared ;( |
| 15:15.40 | schme | eh |
| 15:15.42 | schme | ;) too. |
| 15:16.07 | dividinglimits | Karmatronic: are you two talking about a user that can ssh into the server? |
| 15:16.17 | dividinglimits | Because there already is one of those |
| 15:16.37 | schme | stoned: I can't imagine maintaining a kernel package can be that much more work than maintaining other packages. How is it different from others? |
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| 15:17.19 | karmatronic | dividinglimits: if you re not ok with virtual users as provided by pure-pw , switch to vsftpd or proftpd |
| 15:18.10 | jelly | schme: it's not, but a good idea of the upstream material is strongly recommended. Take a look at the number of bugs for current kernel images |
| 15:18.11 | Odeen | dividinglimits, for filesystem operations pure-ftpd needs a real user. Virtual users use this real UID to work with filesystem |
| 15:18.53 | stoned | I don't think you could. |
| 15:18.55 | stoned | prove me wrong. |
| 15:19.09 | schme | jelly: Of course. Sounds like any other package though :) |
| 15:19.14 | stoned | waits to see an RT kernel in debian maintained by schme. |
| 15:19.19 | stoned | I give you 6 months even. |
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| 15:19.25 | schme | stoned: Ah man. I have no need to prove anything to you :) |
| 15:19.44 | stoned | I'm not trying to be a dick, just letting you know this isn't a walk in the park. |
| 15:19.57 | schme | stoned: I know what maintaining debian packages is, yes. |
| 15:20.14 | stoned | well then get on it |
| 15:20.17 | schme | I haven't been on it for 10 years just for fun ;) |
| 15:20.24 | schme | well ok almost just for fun. |
| 15:20.26 | schme | hrrm.. |
| 15:20.29 | stoned | God bless you for wanting to mainain something useful/needed |
| 15:20.31 | schme | I should have more fun. |
| 15:20.39 | biopyte | hifi, anybody here with experience in qsynth/fluidsynth? though i have basic skills with jack, rosegarden etv i havent managed to get a single sound out of qsynth. |
| 15:20.39 | stoned | but we also look at the motives of the people |
| 15:20.44 | stoned | just FUN doesn't cut it. |
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| 15:20.53 | jelly | money is where it's at! |
| 15:20.53 | stoned | you have to be responsible and commit to your proejct |
| 15:21.05 | schme | stoned: Ya don't think? "just for fun" is the whole raison d'etre of linux ya know :) |
| 15:21.05 | dividinglimits | Odeen: okay sorry i was thinking about something else... there is a user associated with the virtual user i am attempting to create. |
| 15:21.17 | stoned | schme, not anymore |
| 15:21.31 | stoned | schme, and read again, I just 'just' fun doesn't cut it anymore |
| 15:21.45 | stoned | s/just/said |
| 15:21.54 | schme | I have no idea why on earth anyone else would be doing something on their spare time :) |
| 15:21.57 | schme | insanity perhaps. |
| 15:22.05 | stoned | :) |
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| 15:22.22 | stoned | like I said, I'll give you 6 months. I doubt I'll see it. |
| 15:22.30 | schme | When did maintaining packages just cause it was just for fun stop being ok though? |
| 15:22.36 | schme | Haha. |
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| 15:22.43 | schme | It's not quite one of my top priorities ;) |
| 15:22.51 | schme | I have enough to maintain already (; |
| 15:22.53 | stoned | exactly. |
| 15:22.58 | karmatronic | biopyte: yes im using those stuffs |
| 15:23.00 | stoned | you are not motivated to do it, you're just bullshitting |
| 15:23.02 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 15:23.15 | schme | stoned: Ok, man. You have no idea what yer talking about there :) |
| 15:23.23 | stoned | 10:22 < schme> It's not quite one of my top priorities ;) |
| 15:23.28 | schme | It's not. |
| 15:23.38 | stoned | then you can't maintain something you don't prioritize. |
| 15:23.39 | stoned | simple. |
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| 15:23.44 | stew | bullshit |
| 15:23.48 | schme | Huh. |
| 15:23.53 | schme | it works just fine for everything else. |
| 15:23.54 | karmatronic | biopyte: fluidsynth/qsynth load soundfounts so they wont "play" anything |
| 15:23.59 | s88 | hi all |
| 15:24.03 | stoned | you have to give time and effort and prioritize the packages you maintain |
| 15:24.04 | schme | Though they are not my top priorities either. Go figure. |
| 15:24.08 | stoned | stew, come again |
| 15:24.14 | stew | bullshit |
| 15:24.17 | stoned | stew, one more time |
| 15:24.22 | schme | That does not mean you have to make it top priority. |
| 15:24.38 | schme | If your top priority in life is maintaining your debian packages, I say you have a bad life, sorry. |
| 15:24.41 | karmatronic | s88: hi |
| 15:24.46 | stoned | schme, you completely misunderstood |
| 15:24.48 | biopyte | karmatronic: could you give me a short outline, please? first i have to load a soundfont, correct? and then what? |
| 15:24.53 | stoned | its not my responsibility |
| 15:25.00 | stoned | like I said, I'll even give you a year |
| 15:25.11 | stoned | show me an RT kernel in debian. I'm done talking about this. |
| 15:25.17 | biopyte | karmatronic: can i use it with e.g. rosegarden? |
| 15:25.21 | karmatronic | biopyte: then , you can use jack to connect an usb master keyboard to qsynth |
| 15:25.21 | stew | stoned: there isn't an rt kernel in debian |
| 15:25.34 | stoned | stew, he said he is going to work on one, maintain it, and get one in debian |
| 15:25.41 | schme | stoned: It's kinda amusing that you think I care about you giving me time. I invite you to look at my other debian packages or my kernel contribs in the meantime ;) |
| 15:25.51 | schme | but ok. done talking then. time to hack code |
| 15:25.53 | stoned | stew, I'm saying that he doesn't sound serious or commited about it, meaning it just won't ever get done. |
| 15:26.11 | stoned | you can talking abotu whatever, but if you are not motivated to do work for debian then it isn't gonna get done |
| 15:26.11 | s88 | I'm using Debian etch with kernel 2.6.18-6-686. I meet a pthread compiled program, when I use pthread_setaffinity_np. |
| 15:26.12 | stew | stoned: he didn't say that |
| 15:26.19 | karmatronic | biopyte: the best wy to grab the idea is to install vkeybd and then connect vkeybd to qsynth through jack |
| 15:26.26 | s88 | Does anyone know how to slove it? |
| 15:26.31 | stoned | stew, I thought he did, jelly suggested it and he agreed |
| 15:26.46 | karmatronic | biopyte: but if you want to do something useful , you need a keyboard (maudio 49e in my case) |
| 15:27.16 | biopyte | karmatronic: vkeybd, ok. how do i load the soundfont? shell command 'qsynth xxx.sf2'? |
| 15:27.41 | karmatronic | biopyte: you load your soundfount through the graphical interface |
| 15:27.44 | stoned | schme, then thats fine. I'm just going by what you said. if you contribute then THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart and on behalf of all debian users. |
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| 15:27.53 | karmatronic | biopyte: look for channel button |
| 15:27.59 | biopyte | karmatronic: how? where? am i blind? |
| 15:28.01 | schme | stoned: No man. Your going by something you think I said. |
| 15:28.03 | biopyte | ok |
| 15:28.10 | stoned | schme, then my mistake |
| 15:28.10 | schme | stoned: and some feel you have on me not being motivated. |
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| 15:28.24 | stoned | schme, yes, the last part :) |
| 15:28.43 | stoned | must have been my imagination |
| 15:29.03 | schme | but as I said, feel free to visit my other well maintained shit, or look at my code work. Then we can talk about motivation. Now I'm seriously off to code land for a few hours :) ta ta. |
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| 15:29.14 | stoned | schme, :) good day |
| 15:29.15 | karmatronic | biopyte: btw, i dont use rosegarden, i directly connect qsynth to ardour for recording |
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| 15:30.44 | biopyte | karmatronic: i have a kawai mp5 here, dont need qsynth for playing this one. want to use qsynth for playing midi files and staffs written in musescore, rosegarde whatever. |
| 15:31.54 | karmatronic | biopyte: ok then you have to connect qsynth to rosegarden through jack and then assign soundfounts through rosegarden.and youre right,its not very intuitive... |
| 15:33.32 | biopyte | karmatronic: ok, one minute. i'm going to download a soundfont from yamaha. be back in a minute. |
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| 15:34.36 | Danielss89 | Does anyone know how to add SAN when creating a csr file with openssl? |
| 15:34.48 | abrotman | calls schme back! |
| 15:35.48 | biopyte | karmatronic: damned slow download. which directory are the default soundfonts? :-) |
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| 15:38.05 | Odeen | Danielss89, I think that can be enabled in openssl config file .... but I didn't use it ever, maybe I'm mistaken |
| 15:38.18 | Gigantic | Does anyone know how to get rid of the "Really quit?" and "Modified buffers exist, really quit?" in emacs? |
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| 15:38.55 | Gigantic | Eveytime I ask in #emacs they give me opter options, looks like they don't get it all I want is less verbosity and not saving the buffers |
| 15:39.00 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know of a way to get more useful errors out of the ldap libraries than "Can't contact LDAP server?" |
| 15:39.11 | SerajewelKS | whoever decided that was a good catch-all error message needs a lobotomy |
| 15:39.14 | Gigantic | all solutions I get is maping to kill emacs and autosave on quit |
| 15:39.37 | Odeen | SerajewelKS, see debuglog directive in slapd.conf |
| 15:39.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: crank up the server debug |
| 15:39.54 | Odeen | there are a different logging levels |
| 15:40.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: which server? who says i'm using a server? |
| 15:40.28 | stew | Gigantic: use kill-emacs instead of save-buffers-kill-emacs |
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| 15:40.36 | abrotman | <SerajewelKS> does anyone know of a way to get more useful errors out of the ldap libraries than "Can't contact LDAP server?" |
| 15:40.40 | abrotman | server ? |
| 15:40.59 | abrotman | if you're not using an LDAP server, what are you going with LDAP libraries? |
| 15:41.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, and if it's never making contact with the ldap server because of ___ then how will that be helpful? |
| 15:41.20 | SerajewelKS | i need to know what's failing on the client side |
| 15:41.21 | Gigantic | stew: yes, I tryied to put http://paste2.org/p/126648 with kill-emacs in site-start.el |
| 15:41.23 | abrotman | contact is *vague* |
| 15:41.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yes, it is |
| 15:41.34 | dividinglimits | Odeen: do you have any other suggestions on how I can enable the virtual users? |
| 15:41.41 | abrotman | you can't even connect? credentials are failing? crank up the server logging |
| 15:41.42 | Gigantic | stew: but weirdly it doesn't work anymore, it worked like one day only |
| 15:41.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: unhelpful error messages at they're finest |
| 15:41.48 | biopyte | karmatronic: i loaded a soundfont via 'setup / soundfonts'. vkeybd is running. cant connect qsynth and vkeybd in jack. now what? |
| 15:42.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i don't even know if it's a network issue -- that's the thing |
| 15:42.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's why i need the client to be more specific with its bitching |
| 15:42.10 | abrotman | can you telnet to the ldap port ? |
| 15:42.16 | Gigantic | stew: used ~/.emacs also but nothing, is as if the config is not being read |
| 15:42.20 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I can't read youtube video with iceweasel...and I have flash...do you know why ? |
| 15:42.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: maybe the client doesn't like the ssl certificate, who knows? because it won't TELL ME. |
| 15:42.36 | dustybin | '^[aA]brotma{1,}n' |
| 15:42.45 | stew | Gigantic: sorry, i don't know what that is supposed to be doing. why not just use kill-emacs? |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | dustybin: are you broken? |
| 15:42.55 | dustybin | :P |
| 15:42.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: self-signed ? |
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| 15:43.24 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I can't read youtube video with iceweasel...and I have flash...do you know why ? |
| 15:43.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: honestly? that really should be beside the point. this error message is something i'd expect to see on a windows box, not a linux one. |
| 15:43.40 | Gigantic | stew: because if buffer is modified it doesn't die... I know, it is supposed to but it does not... I still get the "Really quit" and the "Modified buffer..." |
| 15:43.48 | s88 | hi all, what's the debian way to change/update a exist library? |
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| 15:43.55 | Gigantic | stew: that's my problem :( and is getting me crazy |
| 15:43.55 | s88 | such as glibc? |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | self-signed is hardly less than besides the point |
| 15:44.08 | abrotman | s88: you don't update libc6 |
| 15:44.13 | Odeen | dividinglimits, no, sorry :(. I use pure-ftpd some time ago and I don't remember all the tips to use virtual users, please read pureftpd documentation, possibly it's better help than mine |
| 15:44.19 | s88 | abrotman: why? |
| 15:44.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: what i mean is that i'd expect the client to tell me that it could not verify a certificate, not take a shit on my monitor |
| 15:44.45 | stew | Gigantic: M-x report-emacs-bug |
| 15:44.46 | abrotman | s88: that's a core library, doing that might break the entire system |
| 15:44.56 | s88 | I found my NPTL is too old. |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so turn up the logging on the server |
| 15:45.16 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: or try a different language to get better debugging |
| 15:45.20 | Gigantic | stew :s ok |
| 15:45.21 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: which language are you using? |
| 15:45.26 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the server log will tell me when the client fails to authenticate its certificate? never heard of that before... anyway i don't have admin on the server. |
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| 15:45.31 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i'm using the ldapsearch binary |
| 15:45.40 | s88 | abrotman: OMG! what should I do if I wanna update my NPTL which is belonging in glibc... |
| 15:45.46 | Deetz | ldap will always just be lots of fun to setup :) |
| 15:45.47 | abrotman | s88: why would you? |
| 15:45.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: did you try asking the #ldap ? |
| 15:46.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: not yet |
| 15:46.13 | Odeen | SerajewelKS, try to use simple authentication method (-x parm?) |
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| 15:46.31 | s88 | abrotman: I need a newer NPTL... |
| 15:46.37 | abrotman | for what?! |
| 15:46.54 | Deetz | Trust nothing of what any ldap program says and check out things like wireshark |
| 15:46.58 | stew | Gigantic: is there something in kill-emacs-hook that could be causing this? |
| 15:47.07 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ldap has a million ways to fail :) |
| 15:47.09 | stew | Gigantic: (C-h v kill-emacs-hook) |
| 15:47.26 | Deetz | At my work the one thing I learned very fast is that LDAP is a bitch |
| 15:47.29 | s88 | abrotman: for support pthread_setaffinity_np. |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | s88: which version of debian do you have? What are you trying to install? and what's the actual error? |
| 15:47.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, i wish it had a million error messages too |
| 15:47.57 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it actually does have different ones depending how you screw up |
| 15:48.08 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: does the same command work on the server itself ? |
| 15:48.20 | Deetz | Anyone in hurr ever use clonezilla as a norton ghost alternative? I joined #clonezilla but saw it was empty |
| 15:48.28 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the same command works on another box... the server is AD i think, and i don't have access to it anyway |
| 15:48.39 | abrotman | Deetz: maybe try ##linux |
| 15:48.43 | karmatronic | biopyte: still there? |
| 15:48.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that tells you something then .. possibly different versions of the client? |
| 15:49.04 | Deetz | Ok |
| 15:49.42 | Deetz | It boots a live disc based on the debian kernel, how can I format a disk from the shell? |
| 15:49.46 | biopyte | karmatronic: yep, still trying to connect vkeybd with qsynth. loading the sf i figured out. |
| 15:49.49 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it really doesn't tell me much more than that it works on one box and not another |
| 15:49.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it could be just about anything still |
| 15:49.59 | Deetz | I'm getting rid of the IBM rescue and recovery partition and want to include the free space |
| 15:50.06 | s88 | abrotman: ok! my debian is etch with 2.6.18-6-686 kernel, I just want to have a newer NTPL, because my pthread program which has pthread_setaffinity_np was caught a compile error "undefined reference to `pthread_setaffinity_np'" |
| 15:50.19 | karmatronic | biopyte: do both vkeybd and qsynth show up in your MID tab of qjackctl ? |
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| 15:50.39 | karmatronic | biopyte: you need both apps launched of course |
| 15:50.53 | joshteam | is the following line in "top" alarming for MySQL: 1744 mysql 15 0 162m 43m 3544 S 0 4.3 19:18.26 mysqld |
| 15:51.12 | Deetz | the bat phone is ringng off da hook |
| 15:51.21 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: strace them both ? |
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| 15:51.25 | s88 | abrotman: Actually, the same program is working fine in ubuntu, and ubuntu has NTPL 2.7, my debian's NTPL is 2.3.6 |
| 15:51.25 | redl | hi all |
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| 15:51.42 | abrotman | s88: all you can do is move your machien to lenny (not yet released) |
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| 15:52.01 | osFrenchDude | in fact, I can see the player but the image remains some kind of black screen |
| 15:52.20 | s88 | abrotman: :) sounds good! I try it now! |
| 15:52.28 | s88 | abrotman: thanks. |
| 15:52.34 | abrotman | !tell s88 about etch->lenny |
| 15:52.37 | karmatronic | s88: keep cool,it s a big change |
| 15:53.11 | biopyte | karmatronic: they both show up, but in different panels (alsa/midi). cant connect them. qjackctl just crashed. cant restart the damned shit. probably have to reboot. modprobe snd-seq didnt help either. |
| 15:53.12 | redl | is netinstcd for amd64 suitable for Core2Duo? |
| 15:53.19 | dividinglimits | Odeen: is it difficult to configure pureFTP to run on another port? because I think my problem might be that the port is already being used |
| 15:53.20 | stoned | redl, yes |
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| 15:53.44 | themill | redl: yes. So is the i386 one depending on whether you want 32 or 64 bits and how much non-free stuff you want to play with |
| 15:53.47 | s88 | karmatronic: I'm almost burn out by this NTPL problem... |
| 15:54.13 | karmatronic | s88: lenny is fantastic,but it s not considered stable.... |
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| 15:54.54 | s88 | karmatronic: point taken! Or I should stay in Ubuntu? |
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| 15:55.27 | abrotman | s88: you can try lenny .. no harm i wouldn't think (other than a failed upgrade) |
| 15:56.07 | karmatronic | s88: ubuntu is debian oriented toward end user, suitable for many profiles...i prefer straight debian |
| 15:56.33 | stoned | yeh no girly drink mixing here |
| 15:56.40 | stoned | we chug straignt from the bottle! |
| 15:56.51 | biopyte | karmatronic: cant restart qjackctl but dont want to reboot. i'll try to figure it out later. at least i know how to load the soundfont. thank you. |
| 15:57.22 | s88 | abrotman & karmatronic : anyway thank you all! |
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| 15:57.37 | karmatronic | s88: didnt do anything :) |
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| 16:01.08 | stew | CQ brooklyn! |
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| 16:01.39 | ArmEagle | argh.. i ran mkfs.ext3 -c -c -L STORE /dev/hdc1 on this 250GB drive I had been using as main HD in my PC for years. And now the HD is dead.. |
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| 16:01.58 | ArmEagle | sure, just before that I did drop it about 10cm... |
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| 16:03.06 | ArmEagle | wait.. what. after having it tick for minutes at startup the HD suddenly is working again. |
| 16:03.10 | _linuxftw | Hi. Does anybody know how I can go about getting truecrypt working in debian? |
| 16:03.58 | karmatronic | likes ArmEagle story |
| 16:04.30 | ArmEagle | well i guess this says it: 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 001 001 025 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 18752 (Average 3) |
| 16:04.37 | Gigantic | stew: sorry dude I am not sure what to look for... I just see the description of the function |
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| 16:05.27 | Knight_Lord | Is booting from a USB using grub as reliable as using syslinux? |
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| 16:08.59 | \amethyst | ArmEagle: since you were just mkfsing it, presumably there is no data on the drive that needs to be saved |
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| 16:09.18 | _linuxftw | Hmm, is there any chance a ubuntu .deb package would work on Debian? Or are they too different? |
| 16:09.35 | \amethyst | ArmEagle: as you might imagine it's unadvisable to keep using the disk, at least for data that you would mind losing |
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| 16:12.17 | dividinglimits | shouldn't removing an ftp package get rid of the directory structure and all config files for that ftp server? |
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| 16:12.33 | ArmEagle | \amethyst i'm starting to think it could be the PSU / other hardware though.. |
| 16:13.34 | ArmEagle | using a different molex now and no issues at all anymore . . . :) |
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| 16:17.55 | Solid | hello how to mount the root in another partition? |
| 16:18.02 | Solid | the partition where is now is too small |
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| 16:19.23 | alcohol | .. |
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| 16:23.57 | dividinglimits | shouldn't removing an ftp package get rid of the directory structure and all config files for that ftp server? < anyone ? |
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| 16:24.52 | petemc | dividinglimits: only if you purged it |
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| 16:25.25 | dividinglimits | petemc: what is the option to purge? |
| 16:25.37 | petemc | guess |
| 16:27.41 | dividinglimits | --purge? |
| 16:27.57 | dividinglimits | or 1 hash? |
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| 16:28.25 | craigevil-eee | apt-get purge or aptitude |
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| 16:31.12 | dividinglimits | didn't work |
| 16:31.25 | dividinglimits | says invalid operation |
| 16:31.39 | alcohol | type just apt-get |
| 16:31.43 | alcohol | see what options you have |
| 16:32.13 | Gigantic | debhelper ãã |
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| 16:33.08 | zafy | anyway to change the name of a user in the system without messing everything up (permissions and such |
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| 16:33.41 | zafy | and the name of the corresponding group too for that matter ? |
| 16:33.41 | Gigantic | an alias? |
| 16:34.03 | zafy | maybe I should just create a new user |
| 16:34.15 | Gigantic | zafy: what do you want to do? |
| 16:34.15 | zafy | ah well it's not a big issue I'll figure something out |
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| 16:34.55 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 16:35.01 | zafy | Gigantic, basically I have a server with debian set up on it and when I first set it up I created a user tom (that's my name) and a bunch of stuff are property of this user. |
| 16:35.04 | Gigantic | needs a drink |
| 16:35.19 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to tell synaptic to "pretend" that a package has been installed when in actual fact it has not? |
| 16:35.45 | zafy | the thing is I realize that this was a rookie mistake and I probably should have named that user something more generic because well, I'm not gonna be here forever and the next guy to administrate the whole thing is gonna have to deal with that tom user |
| 16:35.53 | dividinglimits | alcohol: there is not option for purge |
| 16:35.55 | Ace2016_- | could i make a "fake" deb file which provides all the packages i refuse to allow to be installed? |
| 16:36.03 | stew | Ace2016_-: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 16:36.13 | Gigantic | zafy: make that user to belong the group "tom", create your new user to belong to that group also, tehn just chgrp the older files |
| 16:36.17 | alcohol | dividinglimits: what options do you have then? |
| 16:36.39 | stew | dividinglimits: man apt-get ; or /msg dpkg purge |
| 16:36.47 | zafy | Gigantic, I'll still have that group tom (I'd like to get rid of it as well) |
| 16:36.51 | Gigantic | zafy: link new user's home to the older user's home and alias the name in mail |
| 16:37.00 | dividinglimits | alcohol: -h -q -qq -d -s -y -f -m -u -b -V -c= -o= |
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| 16:37.11 | Ace2016_- | does anyone also know a good guide for locking down a debian system? |
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| 16:37.34 | stew | Ace2016_-: /msg dpkg securing |
| 16:37.40 | miksuh | ace2001ac8: what you mean by locking down? |
| 16:37.41 | Gigantic | zafy: once everything is in place you can remove the older user np |
| 16:37.48 | zafy | Gigantic, hum okay |
| 16:37.54 | Gigantic | just make sure home folde ris not removed |
| 16:38.02 | zafy | right |
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| 16:38.39 | zafy | is there a way to list all files belonging to a group or a user ? |
| 16:38.43 | miksuh | hm Ace2016_ not ace2001ac8 :P |
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| 16:39.09 | Odeen | zafy "find" command |
| 16:39.19 | Ace2016_- | miksuh: general security, getting rid of unused services that may be installed, stopping remote access as much has possible, closing all the ports so stuff like torrents will not work, that kind of stuff |
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| 16:39.46 | Gigantic | zafy: find -uid |
| 16:40.07 | Gigantic | or -user uname |
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| 16:40.32 | Gigantic | needs a drink |
| 16:40.39 | craigevil-eee | Ace2016_-: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
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| 16:43.47 | Ace2016_- | Thanks |
| 16:44.24 | stoned | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 16:44.32 | stoned | so whats the best way? |
| 16:45.01 | stoned | nothing is running that I can see, so I just go pkill dpkg and yeah that works, but just wondering, whats the best way? |
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| 16:45.21 | stoned | just killing the process? cuz I have no terminals open anywhere that could be using debconf right now |
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| 16:46.57 | stoned | hello? |
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| 16:47.44 | sajes | echos back "Hello" to stoned to make it sound like he's in a tin can. |
| 16:48.32 | sajes | stoned: If something is running that you didn't start, it could've been a cronjob doing something that was scheduled. |
| 16:48.33 | ringo999 | running debian etch on macbook 1st generation: my wlan network is not found anymore, really strange. using another os it works though. I'm using wicd or wpa_cli as client interface. any idea what this could be or how to debug? |
| 16:48.42 | x1250 | I see in Munin a spike of 16.000 process. I wonder what in the world could have caused that. This happend today. In the kernel log I have a lot of: |
| 16:48.43 | stoned | sajes, nope, no crons |
| 16:48.44 | x1250 | Jan 8 05:29:51 www kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 16:48.44 | x1250 | Jan 8 05:29:56 www kernel: printk: 14266 messages suppressed. |
| 16:48.59 | x1250 | could that be a DOS? |
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| 16:49.56 | hoxu | x1250, I think that indeed fulfills definition of denial of service; the question is whether it was caused by something local or remote |
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| 16:50.08 | Gigantic | DOS ~= DoS |
| 16:50.13 | Gigantic | != |
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| 16:50.59 | hoxu | x1250, any idea what those processes were? |
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| 16:51.02 | x1250 | hoxu, is there anyway to get more info about those process? I guess not. |
| 16:51.06 | x1250 | Nope, no idea |
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| 16:51.25 | simonrvn | iptstate |
| 16:51.43 | simonrvn | won't tell you processes, but will tell you where from |
| 16:52.16 | x1250 | I have also some fork errors, like this little fellow: |
| 16:52.17 | x1250 | Jan 8 05:50:01 www /usr/sbin/cron[28982]: (CRON) error (can't fork) |
| 16:52.22 | hoxu | x1250, unless you had process accounting on, apart from logs, nope |
| 16:52.27 | x1250 | Jan 8 05:49:38 www courierpop3login: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:53.13 | Odeen | x1250, do you have sufficient memory in the system? |
| 16:53.23 | Odeen | seems exhausted |
| 16:53.36 | hoxu | with 16k+ processes, no wonder |
| 16:53.54 | simonrvn | holy crap |
| 16:53.54 | dividinglimits | how do you purge a pkg? |
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| 16:54.04 | stew | dividinglimits: /msg dpkg purge |
| 16:54.08 | Odeen | dividinglimits, dpkg --purge <packetname> |
| 16:54.20 | simonrvn | dpkg -P ; man dpkg |
| 16:54.20 | dpkg | simonrvn: wish i knew |
| 16:54.35 | hoxu | x1250, check "netstat -nlpt" for starters, that shows you tcp sockets listening, see if there's anything fishy |
| 16:54.37 | x1250 | Odeen, 1GB of RAM, but first time I see swap being used (Munin). |
| 16:54.48 | stew | x1250: what are all those processes? |
| 16:55.11 | hoxu | simonrvn, lot of "roundcube" hits on apache btw |
| 16:55.24 | simonrvn | yeh, they increased |
| 16:55.29 | simonrvn | for me too |
| 16:55.43 | simonrvn | all with the same fake ua |
| 16:55.55 | x1250 | stew, no idea what they were, this happened while I was dreaming :) |
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| 16:56.15 | dividinglimits | ty stew and odeen |
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| 16:56.37 | dividinglimits | if i already removed the package, how would i still purge the directory structure / configs? |
| 16:57.00 | Gigantic | man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 16:57.08 | stew | dividinglimits: people have answered this question for you several times already |
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| 16:57.14 | Gigantic | why am I getting those locale errors all the time? |
| 16:57.16 | Ace2016_- | does the package manager control what packages a user can access? |
| 16:57.19 | Gigantic | howdo I fix it? |
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| 16:57.39 | stew | Gigantic: do you have the locales package installed? |
| 16:57.45 | Gigantic | dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 16:57.59 | hoxu | Ace2016_-, depends on the packages themselves what the users can do with them |
| 16:58.00 | Gigantic | I guess |
| 16:58.09 | dividinglimits | stew: i listed the options that i have with apt-get and no one responded? |
| 16:58.30 | x1250 | in fact, today I knew because my provider sent me an email, telling me that my box was compromised, and I could read the report in here: http://www.mynetwatchman.com/LID.asp?IID=8323539 |
| 16:58.56 | Ace2016_- | hoxu: i want to remove the compilers and development packages so exploits cannot be compiled locally |
| 16:58.57 | x1250 | but that report is crap, is that really telling I was spreading Nimda Virus? /me shrugs |
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| 16:59.11 | stew | dividinglimits: yes, several people have responded |
| 16:59.14 | Gigantic | have to run anyways, will check it later ty |
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| 16:59.37 | Ace2016_- | is there by any chance a command that will remove the development packages from the system? |
| 16:59.40 | stew | < stew> dividinglimits: man apt-get ; or /msg dpkg purge < stew> dividinglimits: /msg dpkg purge < Odeen> dividinglimits, dpkg --purge <packetname> < simonrvn> dpkg -P ; man dpkg |
| 17:00.05 | stew | dpkg: tell dividinglimits about purge |
| 17:00.21 | hoxu | Ace2016_-, run aptitude GUI and go through the devel section marking packages automatically installed with 'M' |
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| 17:01.14 | x1250 | hoxu, my ISP sent me an email telling me that they had shutdown my server because of this report: http://www.mynetwatchman.com/LID.asp?IID=8323539 |
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| 17:01.27 | stew | or maybe "aptitude unmarkauto '~i~slibdevel'" |
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| 17:01.40 | hoxu | x1250, I saw it, not very useful |
| 17:01.47 | x1250 | do this report have any sense? Nimda Virus? Thats propagated only by windows boxes, what is this guy saying? |
| 17:01.54 | jason^ | can i get dpkg-buildpackage to run configure again? i'm not sure how to do that |
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| 17:02.32 | hoxu | !tell x1250 about compromise check |
| 17:02.46 | simonrvn | nimda? fuck |
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| 17:03.49 | ringo999 | my wlan is not found anymore. I know for sure that it is not the router. I'm using wpasupplicant with wpa_cli. Is there a setting that limits which networks are shown when scanning? very frustrating... :-( |
| 17:03.58 | x1250 | my ISP trusts some guy's report, does not even check, and turns off my server :O |
| 17:04.21 | Ace2016_- | x1250: make a complaint and try to get free hosting for a few months |
| 17:04.42 | hoxu | x1250, well, I think we've established already there's something fishy going on in your box, you had better investigate what |
| 17:04.47 | stew | x1250: not some guys report, but 4 or 5 different guys, right? |
| 17:05.36 | \amethyst | x1250: are you running a web proxy? |
| 17:06.01 | x1250 | stew, yes, but I read in this guy's page that the reports could be screwed up by DOS, don't know how, but it said so. |
| 17:06.15 | x1250 | \amethyst, nope, just a regular hosting server |
| 17:06.29 | stew | x1250: what do you mean by "screwed up by DOS"? |
| 17:06.48 | ringo999 | really would appreciate if someone could try to help me, otherwise I will be disconnected :-( |
| 17:06.50 | x1250 | that it could give false positives. |
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| 17:08.13 | Vyrus001 | anybody know of a way to explicitly restrict fastCGI scripts (i.e. php) from certian directories using zeus? |
| 17:08.32 | x1250 | stew, on false positives: http://www.mynetwatchman.com/kb/res-falsepos.htm |
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| 17:10.45 | Odeen | x1250, you has been notified of a security breach by your ISP, and the systems seems overloaded ... Do you think that it's a false positive? |
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| 17:12.39 | x1250 | Odeen, I was not notified of a security breech, my ISP relied upon this guy's report, entirely. In fact, my ISP mails started with: "We have recieved an email from.... stating that..." |
| 17:13.17 | stew | x1250: "this guy" is 4 different guys that are reporting stuff from your machine |
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| 17:13.33 | stew | x1250: there have been lots of security problems with roundcube lately. what version of roundcube are you running on that machine? |
| 17:13.43 | hoxu | x1250, we can help you with investigating what could have happened with the box, the matter your isp is a completely different one and out of scope here |
| 17:14.04 | simonrvn | ringo999: repeat your question, it was lost in the scrollback |
| 17:14.20 | GhostlyDeath__ | I daemonized an X program |
| 17:14.23 | GhostlyDeath__ | if I know the PID |
| 17:14.30 | GhostlyDeath__ | can I get the X window back? |
| 17:14.43 | GhostlyDeath__ | like screen kinda |
| 17:14.45 | GhostlyDeath__ | but for X? |
| 17:14.56 | ringo999 | simonrvn: my wlan network is not found anymore when scanning with wpa_cli (or wicd). I know it is not the router because with another operating system it works. how to debug? |
| 17:15.00 | hoxu | GhostlyDeath__, probably no, but I don't understand what you are saying really |
| 17:15.09 | hoxu | GhostlyDeath__, what do you mean with "daemonized"? |
| 17:15.14 | GhostlyDeath__ | & |
| 17:15.23 | ringo999 | simonrvn: it seems like the networks found are somehow filtered... |
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| 17:15.38 | GhostlyDeath__ | I ran "xchat-gnome &" then my SSH connection failed |
| 17:15.41 | hoxu | GhostlyDeath__, so you sending the process in the background from your shell, but the window should still go where ever your $DISPLAY points to |
| 17:15.47 | ringo999 | simonrvn: got the feeling some other networks are also missing |
| 17:16.13 | GhostlyDeath__ | hoxu: what if that X display gets lost? |
| 17:16.13 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath__: then I would expect the program to die when it lost its connection to the X server |
| 17:16.21 | GhostlyDeath__ | It didn't die |
| 17:16.27 | hoxu | GhostlyDeath__, the process should die afaik |
| 17:16.31 | GhostlyDeath__ | it was still connected to IRC |
| 17:16.42 | \amethyst | then xchat *might* provide a way to reconnect to a new X server, but it would be specific to that application |
| 17:16.43 | GhostlyDeath__ | and it was on the process list |
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| 17:17.10 | ringo999 | simonrvn: any idea? |
| 17:17.35 | Odeen | GhostlyDeath__, are you on a remote connection, isn't it? |
| 17:17.36 | ringo999 | im totally clueless about this problem, very annoying... |
| 17:17.43 | GhostlyDeath__ | Odeen: yes |
| 17:17.45 | ringo999 | i havent changed anything on the settings |
| 17:17.55 | GhostlyDeath__ | Forwarding X over SSH |
| 17:18.18 | Odeen | GhostInTheShell, then, probably you have a X-Window server running on the machine and the application it's connected to it |
| 17:19.05 | GhostlyDeath__ | $DISPLAY is "localhost:11.0" |
| 17:19.07 | Odeen | did you export $DISPLAY variable? |
| 17:19.14 | GhostlyDeath__ | if I were to change that value? |
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| 17:20.17 | ringo999 | again, any comment, idea, input on this problem highly welcome ... :-( |
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| 17:20.35 | simonrvn | ringo999: i don't do wireless. as for finding out what's going on, start tracrouting and pinging stuff. check your routes, maybe you have 2 default routes or something. |
| 17:20.58 | simonrvn | ringo999: maybe it isn't you at all, but upstream |
| 17:21.15 | Odeen | GhostInTheShell, try "localhost:0.0", and see if your local X-Window Server listen new connections |
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| 17:21.40 | ringo999 | simonrvn: im not sure if you understood my question: the scanning doesnt find the wireless |
| 17:21.54 | simonrvn | tried a direct connection? |
| 17:22.15 | simonrvn | if that's even possible... i don't do wireless. |
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| 17:22.31 | Alex____ | Hello Everyone |
| 17:22.51 | Alex____ | I am new to Debian, and trying to install it on Windows laptop. |
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| 17:23.13 | Alex____ | Can someone tell how to shrink partition / resize / repartition with out loosing data? |
| 17:23.22 | GhostlyDeath__ | Alex____: The Debian installer can do that |
| 17:23.43 | GhostlyDeath__ | You can tell iit how much you want to shrink the Windows partition |
| 17:23.44 | Alex____ | I was trying that but it says data wil be lost while repartitioning . |
| 17:23.56 | GhostlyDeath__ | Alex____: It may be lost |
| 17:24.08 | GhostlyDeath__ | Like if the laptop shuts off while the moving is being done |
| 17:24.23 | GhostlyDeath__ | etch supports FAT32 and NTFS resizing |
| 17:24.30 | simonrvn | can someone who does help ringo999? |
| 17:24.33 | GhostlyDeath__ | it should anyway |
| 17:24.42 | Alex____ | let me try that |
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| 17:24.55 | GhostlyDeath__ | Alex____: if you have another PC |
| 17:24.56 | GhostlyDeath__ | or something |
| 17:25.01 | GhostlyDeath__ | backup your important data |
| 17:25.03 | GhostlyDeath__ | just in case |
| 17:25.41 | GhostlyDeath__ | Alex____: Usually it won't be a problem except if your laptop decides to turn off (maybe out of battery power?) |
| 17:25.56 | Alex____ | etch sounds to be a Debian release. What program I should run to rezise the partition |
| 17:26.09 | GhostlyDeath__ | The Debian installer can resize it for you |
| 17:26.16 | GhostlyDeath__ | but if you want something with more control |
| 17:26.19 | GhostlyDeath__ | you could get gparted |
| 17:26.26 | GhostlyDeath__ | and burn that to a CD |
| 17:26.31 | hoxu | !enter |
| 17:26.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:26.51 | GhostlyDeath__ | just when you get to the installer, use manual partitioning |
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| 17:31.42 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
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| 17:31.59 | Rapp | is etch going to get the 0.9.8j security update of openssl? |
| 17:31.59 | Alex____ | I am going to try gparted |
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| 17:34.36 | Klava | hello |
| 17:36.09 | simonrvn | Rapp: that's up to the repo managers (but probably, if warranted) |
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| 17:37.36 | x1250 | stew, hoxu, I'll be back in a moment, I'm on the phone... |
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| 17:38.58 | simonrvn | i called him, and i'm masking my voice :P |
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| 17:39.11 | Klava | hii |
| 17:39.25 | simonrvn | iih |
| 17:39.29 | stoned | !seen Azar |
| 17:39.30 | dpkg | stoned: i haven't seen 'azar' |
| 17:39.53 | stoned | you gotta be kiddin me |
| 17:40.03 | stoned | simonrvn, hi |
| 17:40.25 | simonrvn | olleh |
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| 17:40.35 | stoned | heh |
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| 17:40.55 | stoned | yeh, thought as much ;) |
| 17:41.03 | stoned | spell 'heh' backwards ;) |
| 17:41.04 | rogermdl | someone could send me invite for hdbits.org? |
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| 17:41.26 | stoned | rogermdl, uhm.. |
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| 17:42.05 | stew | rogermdl: /msg me if you decide you have any on-topic questions |
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| 17:43.32 | stoned | hey guys |
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| 17:44.37 | stoned | I installed msttcorefonts and it installed all the microsoft shizboo, now how can I load the fonts? Do I have to restart X? or is there another way? I know if you drop something in ~./fonts it will load it automatically even if you are not restarting X, so what to do? |
| 17:44.49 | stoned | should I just make symlinks to the msttcorefonts in ~/.fonts ? |
| 17:45.00 | stoned | I'm not really sure what to do about this |
| 17:45.21 | Tekno | you shouldn't do anything |
| 17:45.35 | Tekno | theyre now installed |
| 17:45.39 | themill | stoned: that should be enough for most programs, but it actually depends on what toolkit they use as to whether they will see them |
| 17:46.04 | themill | stoned: the programs may need to be restarted in some cases. /msg dpkg install font |
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| 17:46.15 | stoned | themill, thank you |
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| 17:47.00 | apol | in a debian sid, what x.org driver should i use for an ati radeon 3450? |
| 17:47.09 | simonrvn | radeon |
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| 17:47.14 | stoned | oh the programs need to be restarted |
| 17:47.17 | stoned | dang |
| 17:47.28 | stoned | simonrvn, are you sure? |
| 17:47.39 | Gigantic | anyone used to transcode... is it normal for a 6mb file to take 30 minutes to transcode? |
| 17:47.48 | simonrvn | stoned: why do you ask? |
| 17:47.53 | stoned | isn't that a 7x series? shouldn't he use fglrx as even readeonhd doesn't work properly |
| 17:48.13 | stoned | I'm not sure though, which chipset the 3450 is |
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| 17:48.24 | stoned | but I *think* it is r7xx |
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| 17:48.43 | stoned | apol, could you kindly join #radeon with me for a moment |
| 17:48.57 | stew | apol: you can use either radeon or radeonhd |
| 17:49.05 | simonrvn | dunno, looked to me free driver supported |
| 17:49.32 | stew | yes |
| 17:49.37 | apol | ah cool |
| 17:49.59 | stew | apol: however, in sid, you shouldn't have to specify either, the X server should be able to choose one for you at runtime |
| 17:50.21 | themill | if you're lucky, it will even pick the right one... |
| 17:50.28 | stew | :) |
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| 17:51.34 | stoned | oh nm, its the 4000 series that is r7x |
| 17:51.41 | apol | stew: yes well, but i don't have any kind of 3d acceleration and i don't get the proper resolution |
| 17:51.53 | simonrvn | enabled dri? |
| 17:52.20 | apol | simonrvn: nope, let me try |
| 17:52.20 | stew | apol: if you need 3d accelleration, you have to use the non-free fglrx driver from ati, afaik |
| 17:52.58 | apol | stew: well, is in needed even for kwin effects? |
| 17:53.05 | stoned | yeh that you won't find yet |
| 17:53.32 | stoned | you need to build xorg 7.4 from git and mesa as well, and also build the radeon driver from git sources, then you can have 3d with it |
| 17:53.34 | stew | apol: i don't know what a kwin effect is |
| 17:53.48 | stoned | stew, it is from kwin4, the kde4 compositing window manager |
| 17:54.03 | apol | stew: yes, such as compiz for instance |
| 17:54.22 | stoned | either use fglrx, or build everything from sources |
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| 17:54.31 | stoned | I think perhaps experimental has xorg 7.4 |
| 17:54.46 | stoned | but I don't know the quality of thsoe packages or the stability |
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| 17:54.58 | apol | :P i have exams next week, i'm not compiling it right now |
| 17:55.07 | stoned | then fglrx it is |
| 17:55.14 | stoned | !tell apol -about fglrx |
| 17:55.17 | apol | ok |
| 17:55.18 | apol | :) thanks |
| 17:55.20 | stoned | yw |
| 17:57.04 | XSpecialistX | hello all, anyone knows where can i some screenlets themes, like desklets yab ( adesklets ) ? |
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| 18:01.10 | stoned | wild guess -- screenlets.org ? |
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| 18:02.00 | stoned | XSpecialistX, http://screenlets.org/index.php/Category:UserScreenlets |
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| 18:02.53 | stoned | I dunno exactly which ones are packaged or not, maybe none of the 3rd party are packaged, I have no idea, I don't use gnome |
| 18:03.01 | XSpecialistX | stoned, thanks |
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| 18:03.46 | stoned | yup |
| 18:04.48 | stoned | boing |
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| 18:05.05 | stoned | did you know i had over 2gb worth garbage in apt archives |
| 18:05.49 | stoned | shouldn't there be a system that if you download an updated version of a package, it should remove the old version from your apt cache |
| 18:05.51 | jamon | so gnome-screensaver-dialog isn't unlocking my session with correct credentials, very strange |
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| 18:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, no |
| 18:06.43 | stoned | jamon, its a computer program, it does what tis told to do, unless you can find a bug listed somewhere or have someone else produce it, you are not entering the correct info |
| 18:06.59 | simonrvn | stoned: see your aptitude prefs ;) |
| 18:07.01 | stoned | perhaps your cap is on, maybe a shift key got stuck? typo? |
| 18:07.09 | stoned | simonrvn, word |
| 18:07.16 | stoned | simonrvn, looking now |
| 18:07.24 | jamon | yeah stoned, checked bug tracker, tain't a typo etc., stracing to see if it's talking to pam at all |
| 18:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, I think it's pretty much the point of the archive to keep a previous version of a package (if space permits) - that way, if you update and notice the e.g. new testing version has a serious bug, you can go back to your previous one |
| 18:08.20 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, that is what ado is for |
| 18:08.29 | stoned | and sdn |
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| 18:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what acronyms are for? |
| 18:09.11 | stoned | I got a 6gb disk so yeh, 2gb is very important |
| 18:09.18 | stoned | !tell CutMeOwnThroat -about ado |
| 18:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja |
| 18:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can talk |
| 18:09.32 | stoned | !CutMeOwnThroat ask dpkg -about sdn |
| 18:09.36 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I SAID I CAN TALK |
| 18:09.40 | Gigantic | transcode -i a.acc -o b.ogg = 30 minutes transcode and no file converted |
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| 18:10.01 | themill | stoned: aptitude autoclean ; aptitude clean... You can get aptitude to do that automatically if you want (I think) |
| 18:10.10 | Gigantic | does transcoe have issues with acc or ogg or what? |
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| 18:10.42 | stoned | themill, oh those I know about yes, I but I meant auto+magic ;) upon each aptitude upgrade or soemthing but I guess its not a big deal, I can manually clean it |
| 18:10.53 | stoned | I just was sayin' just to say |
| 18:11.15 | simonrvn | f10 c enter |
| 18:11.16 | stoned | some intelligent system in place by default |
| 18:11.22 | simonrvn | in aptitude |
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| 18:11.25 | stoned | simonrvn, I don't use the ui :) |
| 18:11.30 | stoned | ok will do |
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| 18:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, anyways, if everything you need is in the cache instead, I guess I'd prefer that... |
| 18:11.55 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, given you have the disk space to spare! |
| 18:11.59 | nick1 | i'm in the middle of a bad disk recovery, i dd'd the disk to a file on a good drive but the partitions is lvm with all the filesystems i want underneath it... how can i mount them and get to the data i want? |
| 18:12.05 | themill | stoned: set Aptitude::Autoclean-After-Update to true. |
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| 18:12.13 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, I am also in favor of it, however if you have no space, you have no space :) |
| 18:12.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, it's also nice that you know where to get some disk space quickly when you need it |
| 18:12.21 | stoned | themill, just found it |
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| 18:12.45 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s01s02.html#menuCleanObs |
| 18:12.56 | stoned | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html <-- great guide |
| 18:13.03 | simonrvn | fraction of a second, and easy as shitting |
| 18:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, it's a kinda useful way to block 2GB so you notice you run out of space early |
| 18:13.09 | stoned | you guys should use it too if you didn't know |
| 18:13.16 | stoned | I love this guide |
| 18:13.19 | stoned | its the best ever! |
| 18:13.27 | simonrvn | fuck you irssi for stalling on me 4 times in 15 seconds |
| 18:13.28 | themill | stoned: aptitude install aptitude-doc-en |
| 18:13.39 | khaije1 | mount will only let me work with filesystems, but i'm not sure how to get lvm to recognize a disk image... this is my main problem |
| 18:13.42 | stoned | yeh i have it I just always forget |
| 18:13.51 | stoned | I actually also ohhhh shit |
| 18:13.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, did you get the botmail/ the bug statistics data ? |
| 18:13.53 | jamon | hugs irssi to make it feel better |
| 18:14.00 | stoned | deleted /usr/share/doc :) |
| 18:14.03 | khaije1 | (not to mention there are two partitions in the image, the lvm one is the second) |
| 18:14.08 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, thanks for that. |
| 18:14.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, great... did you fit it? The only thing I've done with it was... find out that gnuplot fitting is crap (or I don't understand it) |
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| 18:15.07 | stew | khaije1: you have lvm and you need to know how to mount it? or you need to know how to start lvm to get at the volumes it contains? or what? |
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| 18:16.21 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: no, I didn't have the time or inclination to revisit beyond what I did the other night |
| 18:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | (had some doubt about that botmail stuff... only done it twice before) |
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| 18:17.29 | khaije1 | stew: i need to know how to access the second partition of this image to work with it using lvm so that i can mount and copy the data off |
| 18:17.44 | khaije1 | the first stumbling block for me is knolvmwing how to get it recognized by |
| 18:17.47 | khaije1 | lvm |
| 18:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | LordOfThePings, you should erase /proc/kcore... that file is HUGE and useless ;) |
| 18:18.10 | LordOfThePings | word |
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| 18:18.47 | stew | khaije1: "vgscan" tells lvm to try to discover any available volume groups. 'vgchange -a y' will activate all known volume groups. after they are activated, the volumes they contain should be in /dev/$vgname/$lvname or /dev/mapper/$vgname--$lvname |
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| 18:19.52 | khaije1 | can i direct this into a disk.img? |
| 18:21.37 | stew | khaije1: sure, cp /dev/whatever disk.img |
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| 18:24.28 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: that file takes up so much fricking room on my / it's crazy ;) |
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| 18:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, yeah... amazing, ain't it... at least as much as the archives... |
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| 18:27.09 | LordOfThePings | crack head :) |
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| 18:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | LordOfThePings, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 18:27.29 | khaije1 | stew: i already have the disk.img and i want to be able to scan it with lvm, i think you were addressing the reverse situation? |
| 18:27.49 | LordOfThePings | simonrvn, how much space does it take up for you ? |
| 18:27.55 | LordOfThePings | I have 4gb ram |
| 18:28.02 | stew | khaije1: the disk.img is an image of a pv or an lv? |
| 18:28.03 | LordOfThePings | CutMeOwnThroat, has 2gb |
| 18:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | LordOfThePings, understand why I sent you this link? |
| 18:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/sent/gave/ |
| 18:30.43 | LordOfThePings | i didn't even click it |
| 18:30.55 | simonrvn | LordOfThePings: 0 |
| 18:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* that is your problem, then |
| 18:31.16 | khaije1 | stew: it's a whole disk with one ext3 part and one lvm part |
| 18:31.32 | LordOfThePings | well its not becuase I didn;t want to |
| 18:31.42 | LordOfThePings | I cut my thumb, I was putting on a bain-aid *click* |
| 18:31.42 | khaije1 | the goal is to make the lv's accessible to be copied to backup media |
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| 18:31.56 | LordOfThePings | band* |
| 18:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it used to be "/msg dpkg package database repair" but that now only give that link |
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| 18:32.23 | LordOfThePings | I see |
| 18:32.39 | LordOfThePings | CutMeOwnThroat, so, how much space did you free by deleting /proc/kcore ;) |
| 18:33.02 | LordOfThePings | hey cool script |
| 18:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, consider deleting /dev/zero and /dev/*random ... those must be huge... (well, you can gzip /dev/zero) - backuping them takes *ages* |
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| 18:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | LordOfThePings, point with this was... it's not a good idea to remove /usr/share/doc |
| 18:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you now get a corrupt package database, this trick won't work anymore |
| 18:35.57 | LordOfThePings | CutMeOwnThroat, but its tarred up in ~/.backups |
| 18:36.11 | LordOfThePings | my /home is like 750gb |
| 18:36.15 | stew | i'd say that /usr/share/doc/ should certainly not be relied on as a list of packsages |
| 18:37.17 | simonrvn | no, but it's a start |
| 18:37.19 | LordOfThePings | CutMeOwnThroat, better yet, save everything in /dev/null thats like magic, limitless space |
| 18:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ... come up with something better and put it in the package database repair factoid, then? |
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| 18:37.42 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: keep a backup? |
| 18:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought there is one... |
| 18:37.59 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: /msg dpkg status-recovery ; /msg dpkg very fubar status file |
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| 18:38.34 | LordOfThePings | ok |
| 18:38.44 | LordOfThePings | so status recovery also looks in /usr/share/doc |
| 18:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, which as well suggests using /usr/share/doc.... what's your point? |
| 18:39.00 | djiezes_afk | after a fresh standard-install, I want to install xserver.xorg. How do I install the metapackage? |
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| 18:39.08 | themill | stew: both of which treat /usr/share/doc as being an authoritative list of packages that are installed |
| 18:39.10 | LordOfThePings | djiezes_afk, simple, xorg |
| 18:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the database and it's backup are gone... |
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| 18:39.24 | LordOfThePings | djiezes_afk, aptitude install xorg (in irc do /msg dpkg setup x) |
| 18:39.38 | djiezes_afk | LordOfThePings: oh, okay, |
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| 18:40.15 | LordOfThePings | i hate this long ass nickname with mixed caps ew |
| 18:40.23 | stew | themill: oh, i the first would have been referring to the /var/backups versions |
| 18:40.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, eh! |
| 18:40.34 | stoned | hah burn |
| 18:40.36 | stoned | j/k |
| 18:41.07 | doti | Hello. When I try to use in terminal a program that use framebuffer as user i get a permission error while the program try to open /dev/fb0. As root all works fine. What can I do to use that programs as normal user? |
| 18:41.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, it does... but it's not so uncommon that all of them are nuked |
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| 18:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even if it is uncommon, it can happen :) |
| 18:43.38 | stew | aptitude -F%p search '~i' | while read a ; do if [ ! -e "/usr/share/doc/$a" ] ; then echo $a ; fi ; done |
| 18:43.49 | stew | ^^ finds exactly 1 package that doesn't have a /usr/share/doc/ entry |
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| 18:44.04 | stew | i wonder if i should file |
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| 18:44.20 | fuctfly | im wondering if anybody here is good with video conferencing with debian? |
| 18:44.22 | asg | stew: I think you should |
| 18:44.27 | stew | ii libcucul0 0.99.beta16-1 transitional dummy package |
| 18:44.32 | flokuehn | aptitude -F%p search '~i' | while read a ; do if [ ! -e "/usr/share/doc/$a" ] ; then echo $a ; fi ; done |
| 18:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, looks pretty good... most of those are self-made ones |
| 18:44.44 | flokuehn | sorrz |
| 18:44.46 | flokuehn | y |
| 18:44.46 | fuctfly | im trying to figure out how to use h264 codec with h323 protocol.. ive tried with ekiga and its not working |
| 18:44.59 | fuctfly | any advice for other solutions to my issue? |
| 18:45.00 | fuctfly | =) |
| 18:45.22 | simonrvn | doti: chgrp video dev/video*, chmod /dev/video* 660, add yourself to group video |
| 18:45.28 | stew | h264 is one that isn't in debian, right? |
| 18:45.44 | simonrvn | .... |
| 18:45.44 | stoned | correct |
| 18:45.48 | fuctfly | ekiga uses h261 for h323 |
| 18:45.49 | stoned | you need dmm iirc |
| 18:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, might file against checkinstall also... if a dir in /usr/share/doc is required for a package, checkinstall should also create it |
| 18:46.06 | fuctfly | i need h264 for video relay services |
| 18:46.16 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: checkinstall doesn't even come close to making policy compliant packages |
| 18:46.23 | doti | simbioz: could be chgrp video /dev/fb0 instead? |
| 18:46.23 | fuctfly | its my goal to use linux 100% and using my webcam to make video phone calls.. |
| 18:46.24 | stoned | fuctfly, for encoding/decoding, I'm not sure, you'll find that probably in debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:46.30 | fuctfly | (im deaf) |
| 18:46.35 | stoned | you're deaf? |
| 18:46.39 | fuctfly | yes |
| 18:46.43 | stoned | awww that sucks |
| 18:46.51 | stoned | Imean.. sorry. |
| 18:46.54 | stoned | I'll shut up. |
| 18:46.54 | fuctfly | im guessing that that is the issue |
| 18:46.56 | fuctfly | no worries |
| 18:47.05 | fuctfly | i get away with alot of shit |
| 18:47.06 | doti | simonrvn: could be chgrp video /dev/fb0 instead? |
| 18:47.08 | fuctfly | so it makes up for it.. |
| 18:47.24 | fuctfly | such as when i get pulled over, i usually get warning instead of a ticket.. thats just one example |
| 18:47.30 | fuctfly | :) |
| 18:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yeah... but guess every litte bit helps :) unetbootin is also missing it though |
| 18:49.50 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/unetbootin/filelist |
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| 18:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, doh... not the version from sid that I still have... |
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| 18:50.38 | stoned | fuctfly, it must be sweet, you could sleep through anything. |
| 18:50.56 | stoned | fuctfly, did you yet try debian-multimedia for the codecs? |
| 18:51.14 | stoned | !tell fuctfly -about dmm |
| 18:51.18 | fuctfly | yes |
| 18:51.24 | fuctfly | i understand |
| 18:51.32 | fuctfly | main issue is to get it working with h323 protocol |
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| 18:51.40 | fuctfly | that is the hard part right there |
| 18:51.41 | joe-mac | this is rly an ubuntu server question, but since no one in those channels seems to have an answer, maybe someone in here can help. i am preseeding a raid setup. partman-auto-raid is MIA on the ubuntu install tree, so i went and grabbed the udeb and dropped it in the pool where the other partman-auto-* stuff is. how do i maket he install now recognize this .udeb? |
| 18:51.48 | stoned | I have no experiene with voip or video conferencing |
| 18:51.56 | fuctfly | i have ekiga 3.0.1 installed and its only using h261 with their h323 protocol |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | joe-mac: go to #ubuntu |
| 18:51.57 | stoned | maybe you could try #ekiga as well |
| 18:52.03 | stoned | why do you need to use h264? |
| 18:52.04 | fuctfly | i did |
| 18:52.09 | thechef | I want to access a directory that I mounted another filesystem over without unmounting that filesystem. How can I do that? |
| 18:52.14 | stoned | can't you encode it in something else? |
| 18:52.14 | joe-mac | abrotman: hey thanks for that insight, care to read past the 'ubuntu server' bit |
| 18:52.17 | fuctfly | because i believe that is the codec that video relay providers are using to connect to each other |
| 18:52.18 | joe-mac | like the following few words maybe |
| 18:52.23 | newsense | dmm has h264 codec |
| 18:52.31 | abrotman | joe-mac: yeah .. it's still ubuntu, go ask them for support |
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| 18:52.43 | joe-mac | abrotman: maybe you don't get it |
| 18:52.44 | stew | joe-mac: you are in the wrong channel. if you aren't getting the help you need from #ubuntu, try a ubuntu mailing list or a ubuntu web forum, perhaps |
| 18:52.55 | joe-mac | ugh .udeb is a debian construct |
| 18:52.55 | stew | joe-mac: sorry, we won't be able to help you here |
| 18:53.01 | stoned | joe-mac, actually, try installing debian if you want help from us |
| 18:53.06 | joe-mac | rofl |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | joe-mac: we do not support Ubuntu users, go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 18:53.15 | fuctfly | i have h264 installed |
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| 18:53.23 | fuctfly | except its not working with ekiga 3.0.1 |
| 18:53.29 | fuctfly | i will figure it out eventually |
| 18:53.32 | stoned | I mean I'll support your ubuntu for money sure, but not for free unless you install and use debian |
| 18:53.36 | joe-mac | wow, so why does this policy exist? |
| 18:53.36 | fuctfly | i was just seeking advice.. |
| 18:53.36 | stoned | :) |
| 18:53.38 | newsense | me too but i dont use ubuntu either though |
| 18:53.41 | fuctfly | thanks for your dmm advice.. =) |
| 18:54.00 | stoned | joe-mac, many reasons, /msg dpkg debian based ; /msg dpkg ubuntu ; /msg dpkg fable <-- read this |
| 18:54.10 | joe-mac | stoned: are you kidding me? i've been a linux user for at least 10 years, admin for many |
| 18:54.18 | macman_ | joe-mac .. just install debian .. i had ubuntu coming in here for support and i got the rath of dpkg and everyone else here |
| 18:54.26 | abrotman | joe-mac: exactly for this reason .. imagine if the entire #ubuntu came here to ask questions just because #ubuntu isn't helpful |
| 18:54.38 | stoned | thats besides the point. We do NOT waste our time on ubuntu users when a lot of these deserving loyal debian people need help |
| 18:54.49 | joe-mac | actually abrotman, they help with all questions besides anything related to servers and IT it seems |
| 18:55.00 | joe-mac | o so this isn't #debian, it |
| 18:55.01 | fuctfly | heh |
| 18:55.02 | macman_ | abortman .. sound like me ? |
| 18:55.03 | stoned | joe-mac, exactly, they want you to buy support |
| 18:55.03 | joe-mac | s #debian-fanboys |
| 18:55.04 | macman_ | :D |
| 18:55.09 | stew | joe-mac: please just drop it |
| 18:55.13 | stew | and everyone else too |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | joe-mac: install debian, or ask #ubuntu |
| 18:55.24 | stoned | you want quality software and quality support, use debian |
| 18:55.27 | stoned | oop, ok |
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| 18:55.39 | fuctfly | joe-mac |
| 18:55.47 | fuctfly | i suggest you to listen to their advice.. =) |
| 18:55.54 | stew | please drop it |
| 18:55.54 | joe-mac | abrotman: you know, i wouldnt evenm bother i'd install centos. but thef act is not everybody makes implementation choices. when the boss says install x, you install x. goodbye. |
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| 18:56.18 | stoned | joe-mac, if ubuntu isn't helpful you can try to use ##linux |
| 18:56.24 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 18:56.26 | stoned | doh |
| 18:56.27 | stew | stoned: please drop it |
| 18:56.46 | stoned | yeh yeh its dropped |
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| 18:58.29 | SerajewelKS | moar drama! |
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| 18:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 18:58.46 | stoned | SerajewelKS, I know your secret! |
| 18:58.50 | stoned | muuahahah |
| 18:58.57 | SerajewelKS | stoned: shhh |
| 18:59.00 | stoned | =D j/k |
| 18:59.05 | stoned | I won't tell nobody |
| 18:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... but everyone else? |
| 18:59.20 | simonrvn | moar oars! |
| 19:00.03 | sebbs_ | which package contains the postgresql /etc/init/postgresql-8.1 file |
| 19:00.04 | sebbs_ | ? |
| 19:00.22 | abrotman | init.d ? |
| 19:00.25 | simonrvn | take a wild guesss... |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | !tell sebbs_ about search |
| 19:00.39 | sebbs_ | i know about search though |
| 19:00.52 | sebbs_ | im just wondering why my file is not getting created thats all |
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| 19:01.08 | stoned | but do you have a the package instaleld |
| 19:01.09 | stoned | -a |
| 19:01.18 | sebbs_ | yes sir |
| 19:01.23 | stoned | the whole postgres database |
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| 19:01.30 | simonrvn | !confmiss |
| 19:01.31 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 19:01.31 | sebbs_ | i mean ill just extract it by hand, but i wonder why it was not installed |
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| 19:01.33 | stoned | ok, its init.d like abrotman said |
| 19:01.38 | stoned | you are trying /etc/init/ |
| 19:01.44 | stoned | you need to pay more attention :) |
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| 19:01.54 | iuri | hi there. i have a scp service running and it is stalled. Is there a chance to refresh it without loosing what i already downloaded? |
| 19:02.08 | simonrvn | ignore confmiss ;) |
| 19:02.34 | stoned | doesn't scp support resume? |
| 19:02.35 | iuri | i was looking for something such as kill - |
| 19:02.36 | simNIX | iuri, mayby rsync is a handyer tool ? |
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| 19:02.42 | omid8bimo | guys is it possible to get an image of a video cd by mkisofs? |
| 19:02.43 | iuri | with such a param |
| 19:02.54 | iuri | that istead of kill refresh it |
| 19:02.55 | NoReGreT | so no ff3 in backports ? |
| 19:02.55 | stoned | iuri, the only one that could apply is -HUP for hangup |
| 19:02.58 | NoReGreT | s/ff/iw |
| 19:03.00 | stoned | I tihnk |
| 19:03.02 | stew | iuri: you can use rsync to do a partial transfer over ssh |
| 19:03.08 | sebbs_ | stoned: i dont understand what you mean. abrotman said nothing informative other then that he told me about the search option |
| 19:03.12 | simNIX | it also does resume |
| 19:03.14 | stoned | but that might actually make you lose it |
| 19:03.15 | sebbs_ | i was wondering why the file was not created |
| 19:03.21 | abrotman | sebbs_: i also said init.d |
| 19:03.28 | stew | sebbs_: see what dpkg said about confmiss |
| 19:03.30 | stoned | sebbs_, you are trying /etc/init/post**, whereas you need to use /etc/init.d/postgres?***albahblah |
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| 19:03.46 | abrotman | !find etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 etch |
| 19:03.47 | sebbs_ | ah that was just a typo |
| 19:03.58 | stoned | sebbs_, oh, then confmiss :) |
| 19:04.06 | swankier | has anyone setup bonding with a netgear GS724T |
| 19:04.07 | swankier | ? |
| 19:04.08 | iuri | stew, what exactly do you mean? |
| 19:04.09 | sebbs_ | yes like simNIX said |
| 19:04.16 | stew | dpkg: tell iuri about confmiss |
| 19:04.17 | sebbs_ | simonrvn: i mean |
| 19:04.23 | sebbs_ | thanks anyways |
| 19:04.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1' (1): (/etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1) in misc/postgresql-8.1. |
| 19:04.35 | stew | iuri: the package manager isn't reinstalling this file that you deleted becuase it is assuming you deleted it for a good reason |
| 19:04.38 | stoned | er.. doh i am mixing up lines here |
| 19:04.55 | stoned | am I? |
| 19:05.10 | omid8bimo | guys is it possible to get an image of a video cd by mkisofs? |
| 19:05.20 | stoned | omid8bimo, dd |
| 19:05.27 | iuri | stew, that is not my problem |
| 19:05.30 | omid8bimo | when i try, the output is a simle 400KB file |
| 19:05.42 | stew | iuri: what is the problem then? |
| 19:05.50 | abrotman | stew: i think you got iuri and sebbs_ mixed up |
| 19:05.51 | stoned | omid8bimo, mkisofs is used to create an iso out of files directoreis etc. etc. |
| 19:05.52 | iuri | stew, i have a scp service and i need to refresh it because it is stalled |
| 19:05.56 | stew | oh jeez |
| 19:06.06 | stoned | omid8bimo, and dd is used to image a device |
| 19:06.07 | stew | iuri: pardon me |
| 19:06.15 | stoned | omid8bimo, man dd |
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| 19:06.45 | stoned | no stew crossed lines not I |
| 19:06.47 | omid8bimo | stoned: ok, so when i try dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/user/cd.iso still output is several KB ! |
| 19:06.51 | stew | iuri: if you were to cancel the scp completely, you could use rsync to retransfer the file while taking some advantage of the portion that was already transferred |
| 19:06.52 | stoned | heh, I was wondeirng if i was advising the wrong guy |
| 19:07.39 | stoned | omid8bimo, really thats strange man, maybe its protected? I dunno the reason |
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| 19:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, just throw out random factoids to random people :-P |
| 19:07.53 | iuri | stew, what do you mean using rsync? |
| 19:07.59 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, I never done that! |
| 19:08.10 | omid8bimo | stoned: ok, but it should be possible right? no matter if it's a video cd? |
| 19:08.11 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, well somtimes you misfire but whaetver |
| 19:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell stoned -about never |
| 19:08.21 | iuri | stew, retransfer the file to where? |
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| 19:08.28 | stew | iuri: rsync is a tool for copying files, which knows how to use ssh as an underlying transport |
| 19:08.30 | dios_mio | debian is better than slackware |
| 19:08.31 | stoned | omid8bimo, yes sure I guess I have not ever coiped vcd over |
| 19:08.42 | stoned | omid8bimo, like I had dvd, i'll just dd the whole thing to an iso, and mount in mplayer and watch it |
| 19:08.52 | stoned | mplayer will run iso files just like regular media files it will auto detect |
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| 19:09.05 | stoned | so if dd isn't working on your video cd, I dunno the problem im not expert |
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| 19:09.36 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: if you mount the cd, how big is it according to 'df -h' ? |
| 19:10.03 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: it's 520MB |
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| 19:10.29 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: and you have enough free space in whatever contains your ~? |
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| 19:10.42 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: yes i have alot |
| 19:10.46 | stoned | a lot |
| 19:10.49 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: and dd outputs no errors? |
| 19:10.55 | omid8bimo | stoned: i know :) |
| 19:10.59 | stoned | run with verbose |
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| 19:11.05 | bonez | what should I try to get my resolution up? I just installed ubuntu 8.10 desktop and all I get is 640x480.. |
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| 19:11.22 | SerajewelKS | bonez: #ubuntu |
| 19:11.26 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: yeah no err, just one file as i wanted but with like 400kn size |
| 19:11.31 | bonez | SerajewelKS: no one helps there |
| 19:11.34 | bonez | oh well |
| 19:11.40 | SerajewelKS | !they don't know |
| 19:11.40 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:11.43 | SerajewelKS | bonez: ^^^ |
| 19:11.49 | NoReGreT | Knoppixton and Ubuntubia, rofl ! |
| 19:11.54 | simNIX | or try Debian ;0) |
| 19:11.58 | stoned | omid8bimo, I remember it happening to me too, I once was trying to copy some cd and it always gave me that error |
| 19:12.07 | stoned | I am trying to remember |
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| 19:12.14 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: seems odd, it should at least give some error message if it can't copy it |
| 19:12.23 | vedant | hi, this is a bit urgent.. the filesystem got corrupted due to a power failure, and now e2fsck asks me if i want to 'clone multiply-claimed blocks?' what should be the best answer? |
| 19:12.24 | bonez | SerajewelKS: sorry.. am not meaning to hassle.. I came here because I know you all know a lot more than I do... sorry to have hassled you, SerajewelKS |
| 19:12.27 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: try 'cat /dev/cdrom > cd.iso' |
| 19:12.39 | stoned | I was just about to suggest cat |
| 19:12.40 | SerajewelKS | bonez: it's ok, just letting you know that we don't support ubuntu because we can't |
| 19:12.40 | stoned | lol |
| 19:12.44 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: ok let me |
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| 19:12.48 | SerajewelKS | bonez: that's why there's #ubuntu |
| 19:12.49 | simNIX | bonez; asking here is ok, if its Debian ... |
| 19:13.11 | SerajewelKS | bonez: you could try mailing lists too |
| 19:13.18 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: input/output error |
| 19:13.23 | Multiply | vedant :( |
| 19:13.30 | stoned | now we're talkin |
| 19:13.40 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: there ya go |
| 19:13.45 | simonrvn | vedant: seems to me cloing those blocks woud be the safest option |
| 19:13.45 | stoned | omid8bimo, install strace and try to strace the cat |
| 19:13.45 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: sounds like it's copy-protected |
| 19:13.52 | simonrvn | cloning even |
| 19:13.59 | SerajewelKS | stoned: i'm guessing read will fail with I/O error ;) |
| 19:13.59 | vedant | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
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| 19:14.12 | stoned | SerajewelKS, yup, vcd protection, my initial guess |
| 19:14.19 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I'm trying to connect to my universities secure wireless network. I was doing it an hour ago without issue, but now I keep getting a failed EAP authentication error message. I'll copypasta my wpa_supplicant error log |
| 19:14.23 | omid8bimo | stoned: i have strace, what to do with it? |
| 19:14.30 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: ok so there is no way? |
| 19:14.35 | stoned | dont' worry about it anymore |
| 19:14.36 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: strace -o tracefile cat /de... |
| 19:14.44 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: then 'less tracefile' and read :) |
| 19:14.51 | omid8bimo | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 19:14.52 | oOarthurOo | http://pastebin.com/dd76ccba |
| 19:15.01 | SerajewelKS | omid8bimo: not without using specialized software designed to defeat copy-protection |
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| 19:15.11 | stoned | something in #mplayer might help |
| 19:15.25 | stoned | they do dvdcss protection thingy override, perhaps something can be done about vcd also |
| 19:15.31 | stoned | s/something/someone |
| 19:15.39 | oOarthurOo | The network uses 802.1X authentication, and EAP-TTLS with PAP inner-authentication (anonymous) |
| 19:16.01 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: god that sounds like a mess |
| 19:16.17 | oOarthurOo | I am using wpa_supplicant... I'll copy paste the relevant sections of wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 19:16.34 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: it sounds like you don't have your CA installed locally |
| 19:16.45 | khaije1 | stew: still there? can i access a partition from an .img file of a disk or do i need to redo it with one file per partition |
| 19:17.07 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: the "no such file or directory" error seems to indicate that you didn't specify the path to your CA correctly |
| 19:17.08 | stew | khaije1: sorry, i don't know |
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| 19:17.41 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: you can, but it's a bit tricky |
| 19:18.07 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: if you know the partition offset and size you can relatively easily |
| 19:18.14 | oOarthurOo | Ok... here is an updated output... http://pastebin.com/m45b14331 in there you can see I specify 'A' path to the CA... though you're right SerajewelKS that I don't really understand what I'm doing here. Just trying to follow directions written for windows (since Linux isn't supported here). |
| 19:18.32 | freeblobs | hello Can any one recommend me a good audio CD player that runs from the console mode? one available from the free repositories? |
| 19:18.40 | x1250 | stew, I'm back. Do you want to take a look to Monit's graphs? They're interesting. |
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| 19:18.43 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: you need to obtain the CA certificate and put it somewhere first |
| 19:18.59 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: i can find this stuff out, what tool will i need to use, i'll read up on it |
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| 19:19.03 | magyar_ | hi, i need to image a fat32 usb stick to another with the mbr. how can i do this? |
| 19:19.18 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: actually you just need the offset in bytes |
| 19:19.22 | oOarthurOo | SerajewelKS: On windows machines you download the CA once connected. Should I just go to the IT and ask for it on a USB stick then copy it to the location I specify in wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 19:19.41 | oOarthurOo | They don't make it available anywhere online for download it seems. |
| 19:19.43 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: 'fdisk -l' will supply this info with another argument, i forget what |
| 19:20.05 | stew | SerajewelKS: note that he needs not just to mount a partition (which can be done with an offset parameter to -o loop), but he needs to use this partition as a pv and activate a vg that contains it |
| 19:20.10 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: or maybe sfdisk will. either way you just need to know what the offset in bytes is. |
| 19:20.13 | freeblobs | I need to play an audio CD from the console mode but I don't have any idea which package can do that...( |
| 19:20.19 | freeblobs | :( |
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| 19:20.30 | SerajewelKS | stew: mmm, that should still be theoretically possible |
| 19:20.38 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: so should i perhaps just split it along the partition line |
| 19:20.52 | simonrvn | oOarthurOo: they should. yu just need the public ca cert. |
| 19:20.56 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: using dd, that's on option |
| 19:20.58 | SerajewelKS | one* |
| 19:21.09 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: or use losetup to attach it to a /dev/loop* node |
| 19:21.13 | zzattack | I tried sharing my usb printer over samba. I can print testing pages from the cups interface and the printer is found on my windows machine. When I print something from my windows pc, nothing happens, what can I do? |
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| 19:21.25 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: then i'm not sure how you'd go about telling lvm that there's a pv on there |
| 19:21.56 | simonrvn | freeblobs: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:21.57 | SerajewelKS | oOarthurOo: yeah i think you'll need the CA here |
| 19:21.57 | stew | oh, losetup will take an offset |
| 19:22.16 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: basically i need this .img file to show up as a device... |
| 19:22.20 | khaije1 | i need to devicify |
| 19:22.31 | stew | khaije1: yeah, so figure out the offset to the partition. use losetup to create a /dev/loopN using this offset |
| 19:22.31 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: you can do that per partition |
| 19:22.45 | oOarthurOo | Currently there is nothing under /etc/ca-certificates... so I'll go ask them for the public, copy it there, make sure the name matches the one defined in wpa_supplicant.conf and then come back here (hopefully on a secure connection). Thanks for the help so far. |
| 19:22.51 | SerajewelKS | stew: my only worry is that losetup doesn't take a size |
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| 19:23.12 | SerajewelKS | stew: i'm not sure how safe saying "this is a pv" is if there's trailing junk |
| 19:23.19 | simonrvn | uni. manitoba, heh |
| 19:23.31 | stew | SerajewelKS: i'd guess it was safe |
| 19:23.43 | stew | khaije1: after running losetup, try pvscan to see if it gets picked up |
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| 19:24.12 | khaije1 | stew: ok i'll read up on it and give it a try |
| 19:24.15 | khaije1 | bbl |
| 19:24.35 | stew | SerajewelKS: seems to me it would be like expanding a partition that contains a pv, which i'd expect to work |
| 19:24.47 | stew | SerajewelKS: i'd expect the superblock of the pv to say how many extents it contains |
| 19:25.11 | omid8bimo | stoned: SerajewelKS all right, thanks fellows |
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| 19:26.21 | SerajewelKS | stew, khaije1: google seems to indicate that pvscan does pick up loop devices |
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| 19:26.44 | SerajewelKS | stew: right, i always try to be especially careful when dicking with stuff like this though :) |
| 19:27.07 | stew | its only data, we can make more |
| 19:27.13 | SerajewelKS | last thing i want to do is tell someone to run shit that screws over their data |
| 19:27.26 | SerajewelKS | stew: me too: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda |
| 19:27.29 | SerajewelKS | stew: :) |
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| 19:28.07 | SerajewelKS | stew: lvmdiskscan looks at /dev/ramN too |
| 19:28.14 | khaije1 | !pastbin |
| 19:28.20 | khaije1 | !pastebin |
| 19:28.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:28.28 | simonrvn | pastebin |
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| 19:29.34 | khaije1 | i put the output of fdisk -l thedisk.img here: http://paste.debian.net/25553/ |
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| 19:30.45 | twobitsprite | When trying to mount a device, and it says "apparently in use by the system", is there a way to see if any processes are accessing the device? lsof doesn't seem to be much help |
| 19:31.41 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: stew: does this(http://paste.debian.net/25553/) indicate the offset? sorry to lean on you so much i'm just unfamiliar with this stuff |
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| 19:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, fuser yourdevice probably |
| 19:32.40 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: try 'sfdisk -l -uS ...' |
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| 19:32.58 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: then the offset is the sector size * the start |
| 19:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | twobitsprite, but I don't think it does something other than lsof... just the output is more handy |
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| 19:35.09 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: i've posted the sfdisk output here http://paste.debian.net/25554/ |
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| 19:36.45 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: if it's sector size * partition start , then does that mean that the offset is measured in bytes? |
| 19:36.50 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: right, so sectors are 512 bytes, and the partition 1 starts at 63 sectors, the next at 1959930. multiply those numbers by 512 to get the byte offset. |
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| 19:37.21 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: then do, e.g.: losetup -o $((63*512)) /dev/loop0 imagefile |
| 19:37.37 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: then /dev/loop0 will be the first partition (plus the second, but that usually doesn't matter) |
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| 19:39.44 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: when you get them both done try pvscan |
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| 19:41.08 | khaije1 | can i loop on one file more than once like that? |
| 19:41.20 | khaije1 | i'll do that and check back |
| 19:41.23 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: sure, just use /dev/loop1 etc next |
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| 19:41.41 | orogor | i got some issue with lvm , it doesn activeate at boot time and interrupt boot process,anyone has an idea about that ? |
| 19:42.12 | khaije1 | it's pretty impressive that i can set an offset at the byte level as opposed to the sector or whatnot |
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| 19:44.11 | khaije1 | SerajewelKS: so if i set the first partition to loop0 starting at the offset, don't i need to tell it where the first partition in the image file ends? |
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| 19:44.28 | khaije1 | otherwise won't it gobble both partitions in loop0 |
| 19:44.58 | khaije1 | ? |
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| 19:52.56 | khaije1 | bbl |
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| 19:55.41 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: sorry, lost connection to my shell server for a minute there |
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| 19:56.07 | SerajewelKS | khaije1: yes, loop0 will contain all the data after the first partition too but i think lvm will check the partition header to determine the size anyway, so it shouldn't matter |
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| 19:56.59 | vasi | i have a server, and i have a laptop...sometimes my laptop is on the same LAN as the server, sometimes i'm away from home and it's not....i'd like to run on my laptop 'ssh myserver' and have it go to the right place, regardless of where the laptop is |
| 19:57.05 | vasi | any ideas on how best to do this? |
| 19:57.38 | vasi | (i was thinking a ssh ProxyCommand to check the MACs...but this may be silly) |
| 19:57.52 | newsense | vasi ddhcp ? |
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| 19:58.40 | doti | someone knows a tutorial to configure ircd-ratbox? |
| 19:59.09 | Alex____ | Hello, How to install packages on Debian. I need to install C++ compiler from internet. |
| 19:59.09 | newsense | vasi, err ddhclient maybe |
| 19:59.35 | Alex____ | apt-get is asking for media |
| 19:59.42 | Tekno | what is command to install php to apache |
| 20:00.15 | vasi | newsense: hmm, i am unaware of these things, but i am googling |
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| 20:00.21 | vasi | and eventually i will find something -) |
| 20:00.32 | newsense | actually i had a typo ddclient is the name |
| 20:00.45 | newsense | !dydns |
| 20:00.46 | vasi | newsense: OH, that's the dyndns thing, yah? |
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| 20:00.55 | newsense | !dyndns |
| 20:00.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, dyndns.org is a free service that lets you map a dns name to your IP address and is especially good for people who have a dynamic IP address from their ISP but want to be able to access their home machines from elsewhere on the internet. Some ADSL modems have dyndns services in built, otherwise look at the package ddclient for debian. See also http://www.dyndns.org/ |
| 20:00.56 | vasi | so i already have a dyndns hostname |
| 20:01.08 | newsense | think my batteries are finally going on this keyboard |
| 20:01.09 | vasi | my problem isn't "how do i get to my home address?" |
| 20:01.13 | vasi | haha |
| 20:01.21 | newsense | whats the problem ? |
| 20:01.29 | vasi | it's "how do i make the same hostname refer to a different place, depending on where i am?" |
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| 20:02.10 | vasi | when i'm on my LAN, i want to use the private address (192.168.X.Y) |
| 20:02.16 | newsense | vasi, sorry misunderstood ya, no idea though |
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| 20:02.26 | vasi | when i'm somewhere else, i want to use the dyndns hostname |
| 20:02.38 | vasi | ah....thanks anyhow, was a good idea, just for the wrong problem :-) |
| 20:03.13 | vasi | Tekno: i think you want the libapache2-mod-php5 package |
| 20:03.32 | vasi | Alex__, what does /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 20:04.44 | h4fer | hi, im trying to have iptables restore some nat rules on startup but nothing works yet. i tried it with rc.local. I also tried a script in init.d and also tried it in if-up.d ..... but it doesnt seem to work, if have to login and do a iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT before it starts working again |
| 20:04.46 | newsense | wow i think i finally got my logcheck egrep regexs correct, havent got an email this hour :) |
| 20:04.56 | vasi | hah |
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| 20:05.00 | newsense | better backup now took me only a week to get it right |
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| 20:05.16 | newsense | h4fer, use interfaces to load it |
| 20:05.17 | glax | Hi guys, how can I run a python script everyday on certain our automatically? |
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| 20:05.42 | newsense | h4fer, pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/network/iptables.conf |
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| 20:06.04 | newsense | h4fer, thats how i load min i have it as a pre-up command on my internet connection facing interface |
| 20:06.05 | h4fer | alright brb thx newsense |
| 20:06.06 | vasi | glax, even on debian you'd use cron :-P |
| 20:06.20 | newsense | h4fer, if ya need i can post my interfaces file to a paste |
| 20:06.47 | h4fer | newsense dont think thats necesarry the rules are working if ip type them in |
| 20:07.13 | newsense | h4fer, i have my rules saved in a rule file and its loaded by pre-up when that interface is brought up |
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| 20:08.15 | newsense | h4fer, http://danieldegraaf.afraid.org/info/iptables/ thi site explains a few ways to load rules too |
| 20:08.36 | s88 | hi all, I'm just updating to libc6, but when I compile my program, gcc can't find stdc++. But I'm sure the libstdc++.so.6 is in /usr/lib. I try to use ldconfig, but this command not found! I used lenny with 2.6.18-6-686 kernel |
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| 20:09.40 | s88 | gcc report "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++" |
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| 20:10.51 | oOarthurOo | Hi SerajewelKS ... got the pem certificate and all is working fine now. |
| 20:10.56 | oOarthurOo | Thanks again |
| 20:11.08 | vasi | s88, do you have the -dev pkg for libstdc++ installed? or only the libs? |
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| 20:12.38 | libertad0 | http://www.aporrea.org/imagenes/2009/01/3156630270_099cc6ce40.jpg |
| 20:12.42 | libertad0 | Palestina :'( |
| 20:13.07 | Alex____ | vasi__ : /etc/apt/source has entries about deb deb-srt for etch main |
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| 20:15.18 | themill | libertad0: wrong channel |
| 20:15.57 | libertad0 | that's a humanite topic |
| 20:16.05 | libertad0 | themill: :'( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KslKoQRyX1I |
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| 20:16.46 | craigevil | if its not debian related its off-topic |
| 20:16.49 | h4fer | newsense working now, thx |
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| 20:17.37 | newsense | no problem:) |
| 20:18.24 | libertad0 | Debian does not exist if humanity did not exist. What matter if Debian exterminates humanity? |
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| 20:19.50 | oOarthurOo | I'm using the latest version of wine with MS Word, because the newest wine has support for subpixel rendering. Unfortunately, the bytecode interpreter has to be enabled in order for it to work. Does anyone know of any prebuilt debs for Lenny? |
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| 20:20.55 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, I believe there already is such support, but you have to choose to use it yourself, by running dpkg-reconfigure on some package |
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| 20:22.26 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: It can't be reconfigured to be enabled, you have to recompile and enable it that way. It's all a bit more trouble than I'm currently buying into, but I thought I'd see if someone had done the work and posted the resultant deb file. |
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| 20:22.48 | lostson | what would cause all my terminals system wide to not recognize the Alt key anymore ? |
| 20:22.56 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, I'm almost sure it is the way described above, if it hasn't been changed in the last year |
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| 20:23.50 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, hmm, I may be wrong, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and choosing Native isn't the same thing, right? |
| 20:23.52 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: Do you mean that it is necessary to reconfigure wine? Ok.. I will look into that and confirm my understanding |
| 20:24.01 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: No. |
| 20:24.15 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: debian's libfreetype6 has included the full bytecode interpreter since 2.2.1-2 according to the changelog |
| 20:24.42 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: I don't know about wine though |
| 20:24.51 | \amethyst | whether it uses freetype or something else |
| 20:25.52 | oOarthurOo | \amethyst: But it couldn't possibly be enabled. It would have to be recompiled to enable it, correct? Failing a prebuilt deb I supposed I should just look for instructions on how to do that under lenny. |
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| 20:26.32 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: I'm saying that, according to the changelogs, debian enables it |
| 20:27.30 | oOarthurOo | \amethyst: I shocked. Other distro's don't because of legal reasnos, patent uncertainty, etc. |
| 20:27.38 | oOarthurOo | *I'm |
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| 20:29.02 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: yeah, looking through the sid source package: #define TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER is uncommented, but TT_CONFIG_OPTION_UNPATENTED_HINTING is commented out |
| 20:29.35 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg22432.html |
| 20:29.54 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: "Since Apple Computer is not actively enforcing its patent, we are not going to force the issue" |
| 20:30.53 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: apparently you do have to disable the autohinter, though I have no clue how to do that |
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| 20:31.44 | oOarthurOo | \amethyst: Looking over it now. Very interesting. Thanks for the link. |
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| 20:34.42 | dustybin | \amethyst: can you read and write, BASH, Perl, Python and PHP ? |
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| 20:36.07 | \amethyst | dustybin: yes, yes, yes, and somewhat |
| 20:36.40 | dustybin | jeeze, how does your brain remember the differences |
| 20:37.38 | nowhereman | hi, can you point me to howto update my debian etch to etchnhalf; or should I rather consider lenny? - reason for upgrade is need for ipt_connlimit |
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| 20:37.44 | \amethyst | dustybin: I'm not really sure :) |
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| 20:38.18 | ryanCH | what is Glib (GModule)? |
| 20:38.28 | arice | hi there, i have problem with firefox on my debian server, im trying to start firefox through Vnc but when i klick it just close down and the "mozilla quality feedback agent start up, and when it show up i only see wierd text, unreadable text like this: ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ ¤ |
| 20:38.28 | ryanCH | what package do i have to install to get it? |
| 20:39.00 | \amethyst | ryanCH: are you compiling/linking something against glib? |
| 20:39.07 | ryanCH | yes |
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| 20:39.34 | \amethyst | ryanCH: libglib2.0-dev |
| 20:39.56 | ryanCH | thanks :) |
| 20:40.10 | arice | anyone can help me plz? |
| 20:40.16 | valdyn | see you when you need gtk. |
| 20:40.42 | valdyn | arice: debian does not really have firefox, are you talking about iceweasel? |
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| 20:41.41 | arice | i had icewesel before, i wrote aguide how to use firefox, i did as the guide and now i can see firefox icon and my icewesel dissipeard |
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| 20:42.37 | valdyn | arice: so your guide is evil and overwrite debian iceweasel stuff? |
| 20:42.45 | valdyn | arice: how are we supposed to debug this? |
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| 20:43.38 | arice | i dont know how i messed up, i tried to use icewesel from the start but it just start and close so i tried with firefox and now i ended up with nothing |
| 20:44.10 | valdyn | arice: im sure iceweasel had an error message when you started in from a shell |
| 20:44.30 | luke1704 | My USB device doesn't mount. How can I find out which /dev/... I have to mount? dmesg doesn't help |
| 20:44.55 | valdyn | arice: for your own firefox custom install you can probably catch the errors via "firefox 2>&1 > error.log" |
| 20:44.56 | arice | yes indeed but im still new in linux, this is my first month |
| 20:45.09 | RichiH | themill: if political talk becomes too much, i suggest !ops -- best & fastest way to change the topic. though if the discussion stays friendly and factual, it does not have to be bad per se |
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| 20:46.29 | arice | valdyn: how do i do to make icewesel visible in foxbox? |
| 20:46.33 | valdyn | arice: not a problem, we just generally need an error message to work with |
| 20:46.53 | arice | ok i will find that log... |
| 20:47.06 | valdyn | arice: it should be in fluxbox menu |
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| 20:47.25 | arice | its gone becuse i edited the floxbox menue |
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| 20:47.42 | arice | as the evil guide toled me hehe |
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| 20:48.13 | macman_ | guys got a question .. im trying to get my wifi to do monitor mode and injection working on my broadcom card .. i noticed that there is a patch but it is for kernal 2.6.26 ... im on etch-and-half with 2.6.24 .. should this matter ? |
| 20:48.20 | valdyn | arice: rm -r ~/.fluxbox and running update-menus should bring it back |
| 20:48.53 | arice | can i type that in the user acount or only in root? |
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| 20:49.09 | macman_ | doing reserach .. i noticed that 2.6.26 is on unstable version of debian sid |
| 20:49.13 | luke1704 | Doesn't anybody know to help me? |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn | arice: update-menus only as root |
| 20:49.21 | arice | ok thanx |
| 20:49.54 | macman_ | any ideas ? |
| 20:50.04 | valdyn | macman_: we dont know this |
| 20:50.22 | valdyn | macman_: you can do what the patch author recommends or try doing something different |
| 20:50.45 | macman_ | ok so .. is there a way to go from etch-and-half 2.6.24 to sid 2.6.26 ? |
| 20:51.08 | valdyn | macman_: same deal, we cant support that but you can try it |
| 20:51.17 | mick_laptop | i want to use mogrify to resize images to no larger than 640Ã480 (images with width and height less than 640 or 480 should be ignored), i found this site: http://dptnt.com/2007/09/batch-resize-images-using-imagemagick/ -- which says to use: mogrify -resize 640Ã480â³>â *.jpg -- which didn't work for me |
| 20:51.32 | macman_ | valdyn: why isn't it supported ? |
| 20:51.33 | valdyn | macman_: pdo has packages |
| 20:51.35 | valdyn | !pdo |
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| 20:51.35 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:51.38 | mick_laptop | man mogrify doesn't really help either :) -- anyone happen to know how to do that? |
| 20:51.54 | valdyn | macman_: because its not possible to support every combination of release and package version in general |
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| 20:52.09 | macman_ | thanks |
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| 20:52.52 | valdyn | macman_: if you would be clueful enough to not have to ask these questions you would probably be able to just do it or compile whatever kernel for your system, and know what to expect etc |
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| 20:53.09 | Tramp | mick_laptop: I can't, but there is a ##imagemagick |
| 20:53.21 | mick_laptop | Tramp: i asked there |
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| 20:53.34 | mick_laptop | noone was there - so after a while i figured that i'd ask here |
| 20:53.46 | mick_laptop | well, they are there - just very quiet :) |
| 20:53.55 | themill | mick_laptop: what doesn't work about that command? can you be more specific? |
| 20:54.16 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, is the proper way to check for / download / install updates for an Etch install 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get upgrade' or am I missing something or on the wrong track? |
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| 20:54.45 | themill | Heavy-D: as long as you have a line for security updates in your sources.list, that's correct |
| 20:54.53 | Tramp | mick_laptop: hmm. I know this resize-syntax is tricky (and, btw, your commandline abowe showed up garbled for me) |
| 20:55.04 | mick_laptop | mogrify: invalid argument for option `640Ã480â³': -resize. |
| 20:55.10 | Heavy-D | themill: /etc/sources.list ? |
| 20:55.13 | valdyn | Heavy-D: you got that alright, except that its possible that you need dist-upgrade in etch instead of upgrade, but that is rare |
| 20:55.22 | themill | Heavy-D: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:55.25 | mick_laptop | when i took out the quotes, then: bash: *.jpg: ambiguous redirect |
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| 20:56.06 | stoned | !ping |
| 20:56.06 | themill | mick_laptop: it needs to be an x not a multiplication sign and the quotes need to be " not smart-quote stuff. |
| 20:56.07 | dpkg | pong |
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| 20:56.13 | nowhereman | do you know why "iptables -I FORWARD 1 -p tcp -m connlimit --connlimit-above 100 -j DROP" gives "iptables: Invalid argument"? |
| 20:56.16 | Heavy-D | themill, valdyn: Is it a smart idea to set up a cron job to let that happen automatically every few days... or is auto-scheduling those a bad idea? |
| 20:56.27 | themill | dpkg: tell Heavy-D about cron-apt |
| 20:57.04 | Heavy-D | themill: Cool thanks so much :D |
| 20:57.11 | arice | valdyn: i cant use that command, it say:rm: cannot remove `/root/.fluxbox': No such file or directory. is it installed by default in somewhere else? |
| 20:57.29 | valdyn | arice: you are not supposed to run that command as root |
| 20:57.43 | arice | aah ok |
| 20:57.53 | mick_laptop | themill: holly shit |
| 20:57.56 | mick_laptop | thanks |
| 20:58.22 | mick_laptop | lol - that guy used a multiplication sign |
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| 20:58.52 | themill | mick_laptop: the combination of the blog software and the author not taking care of what he has written is a great booby trap there. Perhaps leave the guy a comment. |
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| 21:00.37 | mick_laptop | ya, thanks themill |
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| 21:01.47 | mythrookie | hi |
| 21:02.12 | mythrookie | my nvidia setup does not run |
| 21:02.14 | mythrookie | http://pastebin.com/m6e7a782f |
| 21:02.22 | arice | valdyn: i did as you said but now the options are gone from fluxbox menu |
| 21:02.39 | mythrookie | i cant see the error |
| 21:02.45 | arice | there is nothing left eccept: restart, xterm |
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| 21:03.10 | valdyn | arice: everything should be bac to default once you restart fluxbox |
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| 21:03.54 | arice | may i aske how to do that too :) |
| 21:04.10 | arice | ah u mean from the menue |
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| 21:04.22 | arice | yes indeed it worked |
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| 21:05.24 | chadeldridge | Can anyone provide some help with the an Intel 4965AGN using the iwlagn driver ... speed locks at around 54mb and will not go to full N speed. It seems as though its only using the 2.4TGhz spectrum and that the card only does G. Works great in windows btw .. just not linux. |
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| 21:06.04 | arice | valdyn:im back to the same problem agin, nothing happend when i klick on icewesel. how can i find the error log so i can show you? |
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| 21:06.56 | nowhereman | arice: open terminal, execute iceweasel |
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| 21:07.09 | valdyn | arice: its not there, you run firefox or iceweasel from a shell like i told you: "firefox 2>&1 > error.log |
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| 21:08.34 | PiousMinion | How do I find the uuid of my disk(not partition) ? |
| 21:08.46 | stoned | PiousMinion, /msg dpkg uuid |
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| 21:09.11 | stoned | I like labels |
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| 21:09.40 | PiousMinion | stoned: that info only provides the uuids of the partitions, not the disk itself. :( |
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| 21:09.45 | stoned | oh |
| 21:09.55 | stoned | there is a tool you can use to dump that info i forgot the name of it doh |
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| 21:10.07 | stoned | small ike 3-4 lettered command dangit |
| 21:10.27 | stoned | you get all the hd identifcation info |
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| 21:10.40 | stoned | man I can't remember man |
| 21:11.00 | stoned | vol_id |
| 21:11.06 | PiousMinion | there's 'blkid' and vol_id', but neither provide info for the disk. |
| 21:11.08 | stoned | maybe but i dont' that was the one I'm thinking out |
| 21:11.10 | PiousMinion | no luck |
| 21:11.12 | stoned | yeh, blkid |
| 21:11.14 | stoned | block id |
| 21:11.28 | stoned | oh? well then I'm also stumped, I think partitions have uuid and not the disk |
| 21:11.32 | stoned | I dunno that much |
| 21:11.52 | themill | PiousMinion: what do you want the uuid of the disk for? |
| 21:11.53 | mordy | wait, you want the blkid of the DISK? |
| 21:12.05 | mordy | you need the blkid of the *partition* |
| 21:12.20 | mordy | so blkid /dev/sda1 and not blkid /dev/sda |
| 21:12.32 | stoned | but he wants the disk, not the partitions underneath |
| 21:12.38 | PiousMinion | themill: I'm moving my laptop hard drive to an external enclosure. I've changed all references to use uuids except /boot/grub/device.map |
| 21:12.41 | stoned | which I've never heard of doing, so I'm kinda newbie here |
| 21:12.42 | mordy | i don't think the disk has a blkid |
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| 21:12.58 | stoned | i dont think so either but I'm not sure so I can't say for certain |
| 21:13.01 | valdyn | lvm creates uuids |
| 21:13.19 | valdyn | maybe ext3 does also |
| 21:13.27 | montoya | is away: Per ora assente |
| 21:13.33 | stoned | !tell montoya -about away |
| 21:13.38 | valdyn | but the ids that include the hardware serial are much nicer |
| 21:13.42 | cr3 | what's the name of the database where preseeded key/values are stored? |
| 21:13.49 | valdyn | since i can look those up on the physical disk too |
| 21:13.52 | stoned | cr3, /msg dpkg preseed ? |
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| 21:14.41 | themill | PiousMinion: are you sure uuids are usable there? http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Device-syntax.html#Device-syntax |
| 21:14.45 | cr3 | stoned: hm, "preseed" doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for. what's the name of those variables defined in *.templates files? |
| 21:15.17 | stoned | looking |
| 21:15.21 | valdyn | PiousMinion: not every disk has a uuid |
| 21:15.30 | themill | cr3: debconf? |
| 21:15.38 | PiousMinion | themill: was going to change /dev/had to /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxx I wouldn't imagine grub would refuse. |
| 21:16.10 | valdyn | PiousMinion: grub cant read disks by uuid |
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| 21:16.38 | cr3 | themill: that seems like it! now I can start looking at manpages again... |
| 21:16.48 | themill | :) |
| 21:16.59 | PiousMinion | valdyn: "/dev/disk/by-uuid/..." contains symlinks if I'm not mistaken. How could it refuse? |
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| 21:17.26 | themill | PiousMinion: those symlinks don't exist until long after grub has done its thing though. |
| 21:17.29 | valdyn | PiousMinion: grub runs before the symlink exists |
| 21:17.43 | stoned | hmm I misunderstood his query |
| 21:17.46 | PiousMinion | hmm, I guess you two have a point there. heh |
| 21:17.47 | newsense | PiousMinion, yeah those are dynamic links created by udev |
| 21:17.47 | valdyn | PiousMinion: maybe you are talking about kernel parameters |
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| 21:17.52 | cr3 | themill: debconf-communicate seems to be what I was looking for, thanks for the tip! |
| 21:17.58 | stoned | themill, you are perceptive! |
| 21:18.14 | arice | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.15 | valdyn | PiousMinion: either way a uuid is useless to identify a disk |
| 21:18.24 | themill | dpkg: tell arice about pastebin |
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| 21:18.35 | arice | tnx |
| 21:19.25 | valdyn | PiousMinion: the uuid of a partitition is only known after the disk was scanned |
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| 21:20.09 | arice | this is the error code i get when i try to run iceweasel: http://rafb.net/p/Uh1Kxu61.html |
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| 21:21.18 | valdyn | PiousMinion: lvm creates uuids that lvm itself finds, linux md raid creates uuids that the md drivers find. Plain disks dont have a uuid at all |
| 21:21.35 | PiousMinion | valdyn: I understand the flaw in my logic. :P |
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| 21:22.03 | valdyn | PiousMinion: /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SATA_SAMSUNG_SP2504CS09QJ10Y711110 will work with some restrictions |
| 21:22.10 | macman_ | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 < -- guys is image-2.6.24 the kernal or just an image ? |
| 21:22.13 | macman_ | im a noob of course |
| 21:22.30 | PiousMinion | kernel image. it's both |
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| 21:22.57 | lindenle | what is the syntax for arithmetic in sh not bash but sh? |
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| 21:23.11 | valdyn | macman_: whats the difference? |
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| 21:23.44 | themill | lindenle: $((1+1)) |
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| 21:23.53 | lindenle | that is not working |
| 21:24.00 | arice | valdyn: can you please look at the error and see whats wrong with the program: http://rafb.net/p/Uh1Kxu61.html |
| 21:24.15 | themill | lindenle: can you provide a concise example? |
| 21:24.23 | macman_ | thanks |
| 21:24.43 | valdyn | arice: youre trying to run firefox 3 or iceweasel 3 on etch? |
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| 21:25.08 | nowhereman | do you know where I can get iptables-1.4 for debian etch? |
| 21:25.18 | cobra-the-joker | does booting debian take much time ...or its just i didnt configure my machine well |
| 21:25.20 | cobra-the-joker | ?? |
| 21:25.22 | arice | i wish i can answer u that but i dont know |
| 21:25.57 | valdyn | arice: run "iceweasel --version" |
| 21:26.03 | themill | lindenle: sh -c "echo $((1+1))" ; dash -c "echo $((1+1))" ; posh -c "echo $((1+1))" all work for me. |
| 21:26.14 | nowhereman | cobra-the-joker: long depends on you standpoint, on old hardware it can take a few minutes |
| 21:26.15 | valdyn | arice: and run "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 21:26.22 | arice | Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.18, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org |
| 21:26.25 | lindenle | # sh -c "echo $((1+1))" |
| 21:26.26 | lindenle | syntax error |
| 21:26.32 | rgr | how can i query the active network interface? Sometimes it might be eth0 otherwise the wireless. |
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| 21:26.48 | cobra-the-joker | nowhereman , 512 ram :D? |
| 21:27.12 | nowhereman | rgr: use route, to see which is your default route |
| 21:27.30 | arice | valdyn: it says Mozilla Iceweasel 2.0.0.18 |
| 21:27.33 | themill | lindenle: do you know what shell sh actually is on your machine? sh --version might tell you. readlink /bin/sh |
| 21:27.38 | rgr | cobra-the-joker: can you say where the delay is? e.g on one machine it stutters when mounting nfs for some reason for me. |
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| 21:28.15 | lindenle | themill: might be busybox... im checking |
| 21:28.15 | cobra-the-joker | just in the boot .... when the text goes down |
| 21:28.28 | nowhereman | cobra-the-joker: you can always use a startup tracer |
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| 21:28.36 | cobra-the-joker | yeah |
| 21:28.48 | stoned | why do they call it busybox |
| 21:29.07 | lindenle | themill: having trouble with dc too.... |
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| 21:29.28 | valdyn | arice: dpkg -l libcairo2 | tail -1 |
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| 21:30.30 | cobra-the-joker | nowhereman, another question please ....if i want to replace a linux distro do i have to format the partition ??...or it just delete it ? |
| 21:30.31 | themill | lindenle: ahh... sh --version should tell you that too |
| 21:31.59 | nowhereman | cobra-the-joker: depends on whether you want to keep the filesystem, in generel you dont have to reformat, but erasing all is slower then simply reformating afaik |
| 21:32.06 | arice | valdyn: i typed that command and tried to run iceweasel but nothing happend. |
| 21:32.20 | valdyn | arice: i need to see the output of that command |
| 21:32.37 | mordy | it's called busybox because it keeps youo busy trying to figure out the syntax it uses |
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| 21:32.48 | cobra-the-joker | nowhereman , i was told that formating partitions affect the hard disk ....thats why i ask that question |
| 21:33.14 | mordy | it has a lot of the same commands as you'd find in a full system, but the syntax is annoyingly different |
| 21:33.16 | nowhereman | cobra-the-joker: well writing to disc always affects it, lol |
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| 21:33.27 | cobra-the-joker | lool |
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| 21:33.32 | arice | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/6zaXIp12.html |
| 21:33.45 | valdyn | arice: no.. |
| 21:33.57 | nowhereman | but formating one partition doesnt affect anything else on the disc... |
| 21:34.01 | valdyn | arice: show me the output of: "dpkg -l libcairo2 | tail -1" |
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| 21:34.07 | arice | ah ok |
| 21:34.14 | lindenle | got it now |
| 21:34.17 | lindenle | it is busybox |
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| 21:34.34 | arice | valdyn: ii libcairo2 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 The Cairo 2D vector graphics library |
| 21:34.37 | mordy | erasing a disk means writing zeroes to it, just formatting the disk means to erase the partition table and subperblocks so nothing can be found again |
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| 21:34.53 | mordy | although technically if you knwo the sectors of the data you wish to retrive, you can get it back |
| 21:35.11 | mordy | provided it was not overwritten by something else already |
| 21:35.11 | nowhereman | mordy: I thought he ment deleting everything, not shred'ing it |
| 21:35.25 | stoned | mordy, you forget, there is ahigh level and a low level format. |
| 21:35.39 | stoned | low level format will kill the data |
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| 21:35.49 | valdyn | !info libcairo2 |
| 21:35.51 | mordy | i thought that terminology only existed in windows |
| 21:35.55 | mordy | the two types of format |
| 21:35.56 | nowhereman | ...except some shadows of the data |
| 21:36.00 | valdyn | !info libcairo2 etch |
| 21:36.07 | stoned | mordy, its applicable here as well |
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| 21:36.11 | dpkg | libcairo2: (The Cairo 2D vector graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.6.4-7 (sid), Packaged size: 534 kB, Installed size: 844 kB |
| 21:36.15 | valdyn | arice: that bug was fixed in 2006, i dont know why you are having it |
| 21:36.19 | mordy | windows calls zeroing of the disk "low level format" |
| 21:36.28 | dpkg | libcairo2: (The Cairo 2D vector graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 375 kB, Installed size: 620 kB |
| 21:36.32 | mordy | but i personally find that convention confusing |
| 21:36.33 | stoned | i don't care what iwndows calls it |
| 21:36.43 | arice | oh ok |
| 21:36.43 | stoned | and actually i didn't even know windows had a thing like that till you told me |
| 21:36.45 | nowhereman | there are even special disc vendors tools which call s |
| 21:36.53 | nowhereman | themselfs low-level |
| 21:36.56 | Agiofws | is there a web Designer here need to ask for some feed back ? |
| 21:37.06 | nowhereman | ey |
| 21:37.10 | stoned | Agiofws, #oswebdev |
| 21:37.13 | stoned | Agiofws, I can help you |
| 21:37.21 | mordy | well, calling a zeroing of the disk as "format" is a misnomer |
| 21:37.35 | stoned | Agiofws, also I'm launching oswebdev.org |
| 21:37.44 | stoned | er.. .info |
| 21:37.49 | mordy | since what you are essentially doing is *removing* any formats of the disk |
| 21:37.58 | nowhereman | stoned, like you are? |
| 21:38.05 | stew | mordy: low level format is something entirely different, which people haven't hadd to do since MFM/RLL drives (since before IDE) |
| 21:38.08 | arice | valdyn: is there any other way to fix this problem? |
| 21:38.10 | stoned | nowhereman, what? |
| 21:38.22 | nowhereman | arg, thought you wouldnt get that one |
| 21:38.24 | valdyn | arice: that problem only shows when you use vnc |
| 21:38.37 | mordy | stew.. didn't know that lol |
| 21:38.39 | stoned | nowhereman, opensourcewebdevelopment.info, oswebdev.info opensourcewebdev.info I own all those recently and I'm working on content |
| 21:39.03 | arice | valdyn: ok, so i need to run another program to fix it? |
| 21:39.11 | sajes | stoned: ... There's closed source web development? |
| 21:39.14 | mordy | stew: but i'm gathering it involves telling the disk how many cylinders and blocks it has? |
| 21:39.23 | stoned | sajes, absolutely |
| 21:39.32 | nowhereman | sajes: server-side scripts can be closed source |
| 21:39.42 | stoned | sajes, IIS, ASP.NET C#, VB, Flash, Adobe Air, etc. etc. etc. |
| 21:39.51 | valdyn | arice: well, alot of your programs wont run if cairo is broken |
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| 21:39.52 | stoned | list keeps going on and on |
| 21:39.55 | mordy | server side scripts are always closed source to the user |
| 21:39.56 | PiousMinion | I changed my crypttab to use /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx and I updated my initrd, yet when I go to boot I get the error: cryptsetup: source device /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx not found |
| 21:39.58 | PiousMinion | ideas? |
| 21:40.00 | valdyn | arice: kde programs might run |
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| 21:40.04 | StuckMojo | hola |
| 21:40.07 | mordy | i mean that's part of the point of server-side scripts |
| 21:40.36 | StuckMojo | anyone know Martin Pitt? He's the guy who maintains the postgresql packages... |
| 21:40.47 | nowhereman | mordy: but thats not what closed source means in contrast to open source |
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| 21:40.51 | valdyn | arice: try switching your vnc visial to 24 bit color depth |
| 21:40.55 | valdyn | arice: or 32 |
| 21:40.58 | mordy | nowhereman, true |
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| 21:41.04 | arice | ok i will try |
| 21:41.21 | stoned | basically my group only supports web development technologies which are completely open and free, militantly, like DFSG |
| 21:41.25 | valdyn | arice: as desecribed here: http://www.nabble.com/Error:-Cairo-does-not-yet-support-the-requested-image-format:-td14645238.html |
| 21:41.31 | stoned | I don't support flash, or any prop. BS |
| 21:41.39 | stoned | anyway you can discuss this with me over there |
| 21:41.47 | mordy | DFSG Mujahideen? |
| 21:41.49 | stoned | #oswebdev |
| 21:41.51 | stoned | hahaha |
| 21:41.54 | stoned | Muhahideen lol |
| 21:42.19 | stew | mordy: something like that. it was from back in the time that if you had your machine in a 'tower' configuration, and wanted to then turn the machine on its side, you'd have to low level format again to compensate for the fact that the heads would line up differently with the new gravity |
| 21:42.32 | mordy | stew: ewwww |
| 21:42.34 | mordy | lol |
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| 21:42.44 | mordy | man, i'm glad i'm too young to have lived in that period |
| 21:42.51 | stew | mordy: ahh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting covers it |
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| 21:43.44 | valdyn | arice: found some more info, you cant use 8 bit visuals, thats 256 colors, and you should easily notice that its to few colors |
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| 21:44.12 | nowhereman | is it dangerous to update to lenny? |
| 21:44.13 | arice | it doesnt matter it doesnt work with any of them |
| 21:44.36 | valdyn | arice: you misunderstand probably |
| 21:44.49 | valdyn | arice: your vnc _server_ is doing 8 bit color depth |
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| 21:44.58 | valdyn | arice: you can see that in the error message |
| 21:45.03 | arice | ok |
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| 21:45.30 | valdyn | arice: vncserver -depth 16 ( or read the documentation if you are using something else ) |
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| 21:46.07 | arice | thanx valdyn i will try and see if that work |
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| 21:48.01 | valdyn | arice: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/debain-etch-remote-server-xfce4-setup-488860/ |
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| 21:48.38 | grummund | hi all, i'm running etch but need a more recent kernel. is it as simple as to edit sources.list to use etchnhalf instead of etch and then i can upgrade to 2.6.24 ? |
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| 21:50.33 | arice | valdyn: its works now thanks alot! |
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| 21:53.20 | K_Sakura | grummund: If its not in stable, add a line with 'testing' in the place of 'stable' -- run 'apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64' (replace 'amd64' with your arch.) |
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| 21:54.17 | K_Sakura | example 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib' |
| 21:54.30 | VI_Lenin | Hi! Can you help me please: I need to install adobe's flash player. Debian's package doesn't contains just the links to libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt. Where can I get these files? |
| 21:55.02 | grummund | K_Sakura: i currently have deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:55.27 | grummund | can i replace etch with etchnhalf? |
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| 21:55.41 | abrotman | VI_Lenin: which version of debian ? |
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| 21:55.48 | VI_Lenin | Etch |
| 21:55.55 | grummund | etchnhalf is also stable, right? |
| 21:56.03 | abrotman | VI_Lenin: see backports.org |
| 21:56.05 | abrotman | grummund: yes |
| 21:56.14 | abrotman | VI_Lenin: or debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:57.07 | K_Sakura | Okay, then copy that line, and replace 'etch' with 'testing' (I don't know if 'etchnhalf' is recognized -- I've always stated 'stable', 'testing' and 'unstable' in my confiles. |
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| 21:57.19 | abrotman | K_Sakura: don't replace it with testing |
| 21:57.38 | K_Sakura | already runs testing/stable. |
| 21:57.50 | stew | one should not mix testing and stable |
| 21:57.51 | K_Sakura | (For years) |
| 21:57.52 | abrotman | testing is not the same as stable .. do NOT point your system at testing |
| 21:57.56 | Danielss89 | Does anyone know how to add SAN when creating a csr file with openssl? |
| 21:58.10 | grummund | abrotman: thanks. this will let me get 2.6.24 without moving to 'testing' ? it's how i understand it, but i'd just like to check... |
| 21:58.22 | abrotman | grummund: yes, or use backports.org and get a .26 |
| 21:58.27 | K_Sakura | Kernels are pretty safe from even 'unstable'. |
| 21:58.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:58.44 | grummund | abrotman: ok, tvm. |
| 21:58.53 | stew | grummund: yes, the 'etchnhalf' 2.6.24 kernels should already be available to you, if you want 2.6.26, then add backports |
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| 21:59.19 | stew | K_Sakura: there is no good reason for a stable user to use an unstable kernel when there is a backport of the same kernel available |
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| 22:00.51 | grummund | i found a kernel bug with etch 2.6.18 - the maintainer asked if i can check with a later kernel, but i don't want to move to testing just now |
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| 22:01.30 | K_Sakura | I usually keep my unstable lines commented out. |
| 22:01.35 | K_Sakura | What was the bug? |
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| 22:10.13 | panza | Witajcie :) |
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| 22:11.56 | adama_ | This fresh install of etch won't boot |
| 22:12.09 | adama_ | the Grub menu won';t come up |
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| 22:13.04 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ....can i use debian with gnome with a 512 MB Ram ?? |
| 22:13.16 | adama_ | just says "Reboot and select proper boot device" (mobo) but I have it correct in the BIOS, pretty sure |
| 22:13.28 | adama_ | cobra-the-joker yes certainly |
| 22:13.35 | karsten | adama_: You failed to install GRUB properly then. Boot from an install disk, chroot into your install, see if it looks sane, re-run 'grub-install' |
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| 22:13.53 | christoz | if i grap the player with the mouse and moving it up and down (varius direction) while it is on the move the video appears but it doesn't when i "leave it down" |
| 22:14.02 | christoz | http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotui6.png |
| 22:14.13 | cobra-the-joker | adama_ , they told me that gnome's minimal req's is 512 MB in fedora ...not the same with debian ? |
| 22:14.17 | christoz | greetings to all, i have a very strange problem when i play videos on my debian lenny whatever the player is (vlc,Mplayer) , here is a sample of it |
| 22:14.25 | christoz | http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotui6.png |
| 22:14.45 | karsten | cobra-the-joker: You can. Modern desktops will veel *very* sluggish. I'd recommend at the least 1-2 GB myself, it makes a great many things much, much happier. |
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| 22:15.30 | adama_ | cobra-the-joker: you could choose a more light-weight WM |
| 22:15.36 | dotCOMmie | Hello whats the best way to diagnose why a package is not trusted. Is there something to dump the sig? |
| 22:15.46 | karsten | cobra-the-joker: The main problem is that modern apps, particularly web browsers, generally assume that there is a lot of memory on the system and will act as if they own it all. With time this leads to heavy swapping (disk access for memory requests) which *really* slows down the system. |
| 22:15.53 | dotCOMmie | Package in question is python-m2crypto from unstable |
| 22:16.05 | karsten | cobra-the-joker: If you can keep your usage reasonable, 512 should be workable, if not entirely pleasent. |
| 22:16.28 | cobra-the-joker | mmmm....Ok |
| 22:16.51 | cobra-the-joker | i downloaded the gnome CD ...can i install xfce after that ? |
| 22:17.15 | yo9gjx | yes |
| 22:17.37 | yo9gjx | you can install any graphical interface you want |
| 22:17.37 | adama_ | karsten: I did choose "Yes" to install grub and it didn't give any errors, I will try the chroot and grub-install from a Ubuntu live boot |
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| 22:18.15 | yo9gjx | very fast and good looking is enligtement |
| 22:18.15 | adama_ | cobra-the-joker: just choose "standard system" and nothing else during the install, then "aptitude install xfce" or s.t. after installing |
| 22:18.34 | cobra-the-joker | Ok |
| 22:18.44 | stew | cobra-the-joker: "aptitude install xfce4" would install xfce |
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| 22:19.22 | cobra-the-joker | adama_ , actually i am having a problem with setuping my speedtouch on linux distro's |
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| 22:19.41 | adama_ | what is that |
| 22:20.07 | cobra-the-joker | and the only reason i am having fedora now ...is that i could get my speedtouch (usb adsl modem ) work on it |
| 22:20.27 | cobra-the-joker | so ....does debian support that usb ADSL interface ? |
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| 22:21.19 | adama_ | oh, I wouldn't know... |
| 22:21.30 | K_Sakura | only has ethernet interface DSL modems. |
| 22:22.16 | adama_ | karsten: I chrooted and ran "grub-install /dev/sda1" and it says ...found /boot/grub/ but then says "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
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| 22:23.02 | stew | adama_: are you really intending to installing grub to a partition instead of the MBR? |
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| 22:23.23 | adama_ | ummm I guess no? |
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| 22:23.49 | VI_Lenin | abrotman: found on debian-multimedia.org! thanks a lot! |
| 22:23.53 | stew | adama_: are you planning to boot to grub, or to boot to some other bootloader that would chainload to grub? |
| 22:23.54 | adama_ | but I tried "grub-install /dev/sda" and it did the same thing |
| 22:24.07 | adama_ | just grub, no other os or bootloader |
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| 22:24.19 | adama_ | boot to debian |
| 22:24.36 | stew | adama_: then you'd use /dev/sda not /dev/sda1. is /boot on a separate partition? |
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| 22:25.08 | stew | (separate from /, that is) |
| 22:25.12 | adama_ | stew: no |
| 22:25.19 | stew | adama_: is this in a chroot? |
| 22:25.27 | christoz | ello again, i have a very strange problem when i play videos on my debian lenny whatever the player is (vlc,Mplayer) , here is a sample of it |
| 22:25.37 | christoz | http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotui6.png |
| 22:25.52 | adama_ | it is at the moment, I did: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda ; chroot /mnt/sda , then grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:25.56 | christoz | if i grap the player with the mouse and moving it up and down (varius direction) while it is on the move the video appears but it doesn't when i "leave it down" |
| 22:25.59 | adama_ | from ubuntu live |
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| 22:26.30 | stew | adama_: is /dev populated in the chroot? is /proc mounted? |
| 22:26.34 | christoz | i dunno what problem is |
| 22:26.42 | datfra | ciao a tutti |
| 22:26.47 | karsten | adama_: That would sound like a problem |
| 22:26.56 | adama_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.56 | karsten | adI'm sorta heads-down at work, see if you can't get help from the channel. |
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| 22:27.06 | karsten | adama_: Sounds like you may have device issues. |
| 22:27.13 | adama_ | could be |
| 22:27.19 | stew | adama_: try "mount /proc" and try again |
| 22:27.25 | karsten | adama_: Make sure device is not set ro. Check /proc/mounts |
| 22:27.43 | karsten | adama_: mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:28.12 | karsten | adama_: ... if you don't have an /etc/fstab entry, should work. Or 'moun t-t proc /proc/ proc'. I think the 1st is right though. |
| 22:28.14 | adama_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:28.19 | grummund | hmm, i edited sources.list to use etchnhalf and all i get are 404 errors... |
| 22:28.22 | datfra | c'e' qualke italianao? |
| 22:28.26 | karsten | s/n t-t/nt -t/ |
| 22:28.29 | adama_ | just mount /proc worked |
| 22:28.30 | karsten | !it |
| 22:28.31 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:28.44 | grummund | looking at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ it's not there... |
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| 22:28.55 | stew | grummund: etchnhalf is part of etch, you shouldn't need to alter sources.list, sources.list should just point to etch |
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| 22:29.16 | grummund | stew: then i don't understand |
| 22:29.47 | adama_ | "mount" says the device is "/dev/hda" not sda, from inside the chroot |
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| 22:30.03 | datfra | scusate ma sono nuovo capisco poco del sebian |
| 22:30.03 | stew | grummund: etchnhalf isn't really different than etch, its just something new in that they added a bunch of packaged to etch mid-release, which normally doens't happen |
| 22:30.21 | stew | datfra: english only in here please. if you want to speak italian: /join #debian-it |
| 22:30.23 | grummund | my question... how to get more recent kernel than 2.6.18-6-686 without moving to testing |
| 22:30.40 | adama_ | I tried grub-install /dev/hda , same thing |
| 22:30.42 | stew | grummund: install the etchnhalf kernel |
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| 22:31.25 | stew | grummund: if you are running etch, and your sources.list is pointing to etch, then "apt-cache search -n linux-image" should list some 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernels |
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| 22:32.21 | datfra | ma che dite? |
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| 22:33.43 | stew | datfra: wrong channel. /join #debian-it |
| 22:34.06 | RichiH | !it |
| 22:34.06 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:34.06 | grummund | stew: ok got it thanks. don't know why i missed that before |
| 22:34.25 | paxcoder | hey people, i'm trying to apt-get install something, and apt offering to remove all this crazy stuff that are default to the distro (eg. file-roller, gnome-control-center etc). what should i do? i recently did update/upgrade/dist-upgrade if that makes any difference |
| 22:34.27 | Schiz0|SD | Hey. I' using the "htop" program. The F1, F2 and all the other "F" keys are not working. They're sending the wrong char or something? I'm using PuTTy to connect. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 22:35.12 | PiousMinion | Any idea how I can prevent ehci_hcd from being loaded on boot? I'm trying to boot from a usb device and am getting "error -71". :( |
| 22:35.20 | datfra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.34 | paxcoder | datfra: without space |
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| 22:35.59 | stew | PiousMinion: /msg dpkg blacklis |
| 22:36.01 | stew | PiousMinion: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 22:38.02 | adama_ | fscking the partition |
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| 22:38.36 | drraid | is "ifb0" just supposed to be a dummy interface? |
| 22:38.43 | drraid | I am trying to figure out how it got added as an interface |
| 22:38.43 | datfra | booooo |
| 22:38.54 | drraid | and can't find a decent description anywhere |
| 22:38.56 | stew | adama_: the other way to do this is to run grub-install from OUTSIDE the chroot and pass it the --root-directory option |
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| 22:39.26 | whistler | whats the headerfile for debian servers |
| 22:39.30 | stew | datfra: does ifb0 exist in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules or /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
| 22:39.35 | whistler | ie linux-headers-server |
| 22:39.36 | datfra | non riesco per niente |
| 22:39.40 | stew | whistler: what do you mean by 'headerfile'? |
| 22:39.54 | whistler | the pkg containing the kernels header files |
| 22:39.56 | stew | whistler: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:39.57 | whistler | for teh server version |
| 22:40.03 | paxcoder | i had some sources pinned, but i provided no switch. could that be what's causing apt to offer me to remove essential progs after dist-upgrade? |
| 22:40.05 | stew | whistler: server version of what? |
| 22:40.07 | whistler | compile sebek |
| 22:40.12 | whistler | etch |
| 22:40.27 | stew | whistler: the kernel headers are in 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 22:40.42 | datfra | stew: ma tu parli italiano? |
| 22:40.43 | whistler | i know that, but I need the "server" version I guess |
| 22:40.47 | stew | datfra: english only in here |
| 22:41.04 | stew | datfra: parli italiano in #debian-it |
| 22:41.12 | paxcoder | stew: nice trick there with the returned string |
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| 22:41.30 | adama_ | stew: Thanks, the fsck didn't say any errors, I'll try the --root-dir |
| 22:41.52 | Tiny | bonjour, french??? |
| 22:41.56 | datfra | #debian-it |
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| 22:42.14 | paxcoder | datfra: o.O |
| 22:42.41 | adama_ | French and Italian are the same right?? |
| 22:43.01 | adama_ | !fr |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:43.12 | paxcoder | !hr |
| 22:43.12 | dpkg | hr is probably Croatia |
| 22:43.17 | paxcoder | lol |
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| 22:45.44 | paxcoder | yes or no? http://paste.debian.net/25563/ |
| 22:46.28 | dotCOMmie | paxcoder: whats the objective? |
| 22:46.42 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: make the message go away :-( |
| 22:46.45 | dotCOMmie | err nevermind me, I'm out of context, scrolls up |
| 22:46.54 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: no, it's ok. |
| 22:47.03 | paxcoder | noone answered yet, so this was repost |
| 22:47.18 | dotCOMmie | in a dist-upgrade |
| 22:47.28 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: did that, no difference |
| 22:47.34 | PiousMinion | Is there some way to put a delay into the initrd as to allow my usb drive to be detected before trying to boot from it? :P |
| 22:47.37 | adama_ | that's the autoremove thing? |
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| 22:47.51 | paxcoder | adama_: yes |
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| 22:48.09 | paxcoder | as if those are unnecessary |
| 22:48.40 | dotCOMmie | well you'r machine will most likely boot d: |
| 22:48.45 | adama_ | paxcoder: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 22:49.14 | paxcoder | adama_: i found auto-remove useful in past. i don't understand why it turned on me ;-/ |
| 22:49.35 | adama_ | paxcoder: it's done that for me too, I just ignore it |
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| 22:49.54 | paxcoder | stew: really? nothing? |
| 22:50.17 | paxcoder | *remove first questionmark |
| 22:50.56 | paxcoder | :-\ |
| 22:51.09 | adama_ | stew: I did the --root-dir thing and it said some stuff about XFS and then that it was successful. Rebooted but does not go to grub, just the same mobo error |
| 22:51.22 | dotCOMmie | paxcoder: and you've tried reinstalling gnome? |
| 22:51.45 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: ouch. you know that implies reinstalling every single gnome-relying app? |
| 22:51.55 | paxcoder | which is basically Y :-) |
| 22:52.00 | dotCOMmie | paxcoder: aptitude reinstall |
| 22:52.50 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: that told me "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 180 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
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| 22:53.07 | dotCOMmie | paxcoder: obviously I meant aptitude reinstall gnome |
| 22:53.15 | dotCOMmie | or what ever gnomes metapackage is |
| 22:53.17 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: yes that's what i was talking about |
| 22:53.26 | paxcoder | wait |
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| 22:54.00 | paxcoder | dotCOMmie: yep, that's its package |
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| 22:54.27 | adama_ | paxcoder: don't do that |
| 22:54.46 | adama_ | did you read the unmarkauto factoid? |
| 22:54.51 | paxcoder | adama_: hehe.i'd say |
| 22:55.54 | paxcoder | adama_: as far as i can see it's telling me the same thing dotCOMmie told me. |
| 22:56.20 | oOarthurOo | I'm attempting to nail down the problem with antialiasing on wine, and I'm being told that it is because my "FreeType lib has fonts subpixel rendering disabled"... |
| 22:56.38 | spq | anyone tried kexec on panic? would it be possible to boot a small userspace with networking and ssh server? |
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| 22:57.46 | paxcoder | adama_: dotCOMmie: what do you say i unmarkauto gnome? |
| 22:57.52 | oOarthurOo | I currently have libfreetype6 installed on lenny, and I haven't made any changes to it (recompiling or anything), though I have reconfigured my fontconfig to use native (not autohinted), always do subpixel rendering, and not use bmp fonts. |
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| 22:58.46 | oOarthurOo | Basically... I wanted a more knowledgeable opinion on this, because I think that subpixel font rendering is enabled, but I can't say it in a way that sounds authoratively enough to convince others (or myself) that it is. |
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| 23:00.50 | adama_ | paxcoder: you will have to unmarkauto all those packages it lists |
| 23:01.05 | adama_ | or try "apt-get install gnome" and see what it wants to install |
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| 23:01.45 | paxcoder | adama_: it offers to install some stuff. Y? |
| 23:02.45 | adama_ | paxcoder: well if you install it it won't ask those dumb questions anymore :) |
| 23:02.45 | paxcoder | do i tell it yes? |
| 23:02.56 | paxcoder | install it is :-) |
| 23:03.59 | adama_ | these things are usually things that you have uninstalled for some reason |
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| 23:05.08 | oOarthurOo | Specifically... they say this: To see the subpixel font renderting, you need to rebuild the freetype2 library with the FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING definition. |
| 23:05.24 | oOarthurOo | I don't know what that means or how to check it definitively |
| 23:05.50 | imm_ | hello all. I'm using etch and want to use openswan to connect to a VPN. other than in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog, are there any other places where ipsec messages are logged? I have nothing in /var/log/secure, and no way to verify if the connection actually happened correctly. Any advice? |
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| 23:09.17 | datfra | #debian-it |
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| 23:14.17 | oOarthurOo | Never mind. I've found conclusively that this is not a debian issue, since fonts in word are being AA. Thanks anyway. |
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| 23:17.27 | Creepers | hum |
| 23:17.38 | iluminator101 | I just finished configuring my Debian system but I cannot get it to display in color, ie color coding directories and the prompt. like doing ls --color. How can I make it so the prompt and directories/files are colored? |
| 23:18.06 | valdyn | iluminator101: ls --color does not color them? |
| 23:18.40 | iluminator101 | no when i do ls, i want the directories to be colored like in ubuntu |
| 23:18.54 | valdyn | iluminator101: and when you do "ls --color" ? |
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| 23:19.21 | adama_ | try ls --color=auto |
| 23:19.39 | valdyn | iluminator101: my question to difficult? |
| 23:20.19 | iluminator101 | no ls --color |
| 23:20.40 | \amethyst | what does echo $TERM say? |
| 23:20.45 | valdyn | geez |
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| 23:21.00 | valdyn | he just cant answer this simple question properly |
| 23:21.24 | stoned | adama_, don't you mean ls --color=always ? |
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| 23:22.03 | adama_ | iluminator101: do this first: eval "`dircolors`" |
| 23:22.15 | iluminator101 | how do i make the color default setting, when i do ls? |
| 23:22.19 | adama_ | stoned: sure, I was just pasting what my .bashrc says |
| 23:22.31 | \amethyst | iluminator101: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 23:22.36 | adama_ | iluminator101: put it in your ~/.bashrc file |
| 23:22.37 | stoned | iluminator101, sure, alias ls='ls --color=always' |
| 23:22.42 | stoned | doh |
| 23:22.58 | valdyn | except that this already is in .bashrc, just commented |
| 23:23.05 | iluminator101 | ah |
| 23:23.08 | adama_ | should be |
| 23:23.22 | stoned | I've never used a debian default bashrc |
| 23:23.27 | stoned | ever. |
| 23:24.18 | stoned | but yeh, after you uncomment it or add it, source ~/.bashrc |
| 23:24.32 | stoned | so it will take effect unless you want to relogin which is pointless |
| 23:27.38 | stoned | in fact, even the first time I installed debian my /home was a seperate disk, and already had a bashrc just tweaked it over the years since like 2000 jan |
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| 23:28.20 | iluminator101 | this is first time using debian ever, i used to use ubuntu so bear with me |
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| 23:30.02 | iluminator101 | i dont think i have a .bashrc file, i did ls -a in home, but i have .config file |
| 23:30.46 | valdyn | iluminator101: you should have .bashrc |
| 23:31.07 | valdyn | iluminator101: youd have to go outof your way and do something weird to not have it |
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| 23:32.26 | terli | could someone give me some really simple instructions on how to integrate my license into my .deb file and make it query the user for acceptance? |
| 23:32.33 | terli | I've got some of the debconf work done |
| 23:32.38 | terli | but Its not working right |
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| 23:38.51 | Ancho | iluminator101: if it is not in your homedir copy it from /etc/skel |
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| 23:44.22 | terli | hello? |
| 23:44.49 | terli | wake up here |
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| 23:48.05 | pepperbob | terli: awake :) |
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