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| 00:01.05 | MarcWeber | Which is the way to install xdebug (php apache) on etchnhalf ? Do I have to compile the module myself or do you know about an existing package? |
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| 00:06.03 | themill | judd versions php5-xdebug |
| 00:06.03 | judd | themill: php5-xdebug -- lenny: 2.0.3-1 sid: 2.0.3-1 |
| 00:06.29 | themill | MarcWeber: it's not available for etch, but it might be easily backportable. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 00:07.06 | Mez | ooh, lots of people |
| 00:08.05 | MarcWeber | themill So do you think I should use another debian version then? All I want is getting xdebug to work on windows.. I've tried xampp mulitple times and failed. So I'd like to run apache within a v.m now |
| 00:10.19 | stoned | MarcWeber, you can use lenny. It is fairly stable right now |
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| 00:10.19 | stoned | !tell MarcWeber -about etch->lennyu |
| 00:10.19 | stoned | !tell MarcWeber -about etch->lenny |
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| 00:10.20 | themill | MarcWeber: you can't just shove a package from lenny into etch. It won't work. You might, however, be able to easily recompile the lenny package to get it to work in etch |
| 00:11.04 | themill | MarcWeber: alternatively, if you're just mucking about in a VM anyway, you could just upgrade to lenny as stoned suggested and use the package that's there |
| 00:11.18 | MarcWeber | I'll install lenny then. I can upgrade easier to newer php versions as well then |
| 00:11.27 | stoned | yes |
| 00:11.29 | MarcWeber | thanks |
| 00:11.37 | stoned | !themill++ |
| 00:12.08 | stoned | ooh magic number |
| 00:12.12 | stoned | [(808) nicks] |
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| 00:12.33 | sajes | Meh. I can't find lexmark 2200 series drivers for linux anywhere. Does anyone here know if they're supported? |
| 00:13.03 | PeterFA | How do I find out what file belongs to a package when it's not installed? I have a program that is trying to load a library but it doesn't exist on my system. |
| 00:13.35 | Tramp | !tell PeterFA about apt-file |
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| 00:14.06 | stoned | sajes, you can't find the drivers? |
| 00:14.24 | nsadmin | PeterFA: probably no files belong to packages that aren't installed... |
| 00:14.28 | sajes | stoned: Right. |
| 00:14.30 | PeterFA | Tramp, thanks. |
| 00:14.38 | Tramp | PeterFA: also: /msg dpkg search |
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| 00:15.06 | MarcWeber | stoned: do you recommend using jigdo, get another iso or try upgrading etch to lenny? I don't mind throwing away the current installation |
| 00:15.18 | stoned | I recommend torrent |
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| 00:15.40 | stoned | your download will go zip zoom fly! |
| 00:16.19 | nsadmin | MarcWeber: probably upgrading would be the safer route |
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| 00:16.31 | sajes | stoned: So any suggestions? |
| 00:17.05 | stoned | Filename: print-drivers-linux-glibc2-x86.deb |
| 00:17.06 | stoned | File Size: 27.19 MB ( 2 hrs @ 56 kbps ) |
| 00:17.06 | stoned | Print Driver for Debian Gnu/Linux |
| 00:17.11 | stoned | http://downloads.lexmark.com/perl/downloads/downloads.cgi |
| 00:17.17 | nsadmin | for one thing, you wouldn't need any cd image at all |
| 00:17.23 | stoned | I did it once, and I will not do it again. I won't search for you. |
| 00:17.30 | stoned | sajes, learn to use google. |
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| 00:17.51 | sajes | stoned: I did search for it. Google "lexmark 2200 series", and you'll find nothing. |
| 00:18.04 | stoned | sajes, then use your head... think of something else |
| 00:18.19 | stoned | first rule, ALWAYS check with the vendor for drivers. Always. |
| 00:18.39 | sajes | stoned: I did. Also couldn't find it on lexmark.com, which didn't mention linux on the compatibility list. |
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| 00:19.59 | drraid | I've tried asking in iptables and netfilter channels .. no response |
| 00:20.18 | drraid | any ideas for whats going wrong: http://rafb.net/p/u9hrB089.html |
| 00:20.33 | drraid | i'm trying to use iptables to basically mirror a connection from a VM back to itself |
| 00:21.10 | PeterFA | How do I find the exact location a program is trying to find a file? |
| 00:21.22 | stoned | PeterFA, strace it? |
| 00:21.36 | drraid | PeterFA: depends on the program |
| 00:21.45 | drraid | strace is a great answer, but for a large application might be a lot of parsing |
| 00:21.51 | stoned | drraid, right |
| 00:21.54 | Tramp | PeterFA: yes, as stoned said. "strace -eopen" |
| 00:22.11 | Tramp | ... to ease the parsing ;) |
| 00:22.38 | drraid | any suggestions for the iptables stuff? |
| 00:22.52 | stoned | I'm noob, I can't help |
| 00:22.54 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:23.09 | drraid | the problem is, my questions sort of spans across vmware and iptables, i understand this channel isnt the most appropriate |
| 00:23.14 | drraid | i just happen to be running debian |
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| 00:23.17 | stoned | i looked at it, just looks like matrix code to me ;) |
| 00:23.31 | stoned | drraid, ##linux |
| 00:23.31 | drraid | but asking in other channels hasn't yielded a response |
| 00:23.35 | stoned | perhaps? ##networking? |
| 00:23.36 | drraid | ahh good call stoned |
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| 00:28.12 | terli | would someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/m699a61f3 for me and tell me what I need to change? |
| 00:28.34 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.50 | sputnick | what do you think about this script ? sputnick-area.net/ftp/downloads/disable-service-debian.sh |
| 00:28.52 | sputnick | # This script is coded to disable some services in runlevels. |
| 00:28.54 | sputnick | # It's a Debian hack to skip his habits to re-enable init links when |
| 00:28.55 | sputnick | # upgrading a package. |
| 00:29.55 | stoned | I'm sorry we don't support 3rd party scripts that hack debian. |
| 00:30.19 | terli | sputnick, try #freespire |
| 00:30.26 | terli | they really like hacking debian |
| 00:30.51 | stoned | only WE hack debian! and were first party! lol |
| 00:31.01 | stoned | yeh let me see wha tyou fubar'd |
| 00:31.10 | terli | no, you don't hack debian, you do MORE than hack |
| 00:31.17 | terli | you create it. |
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| 00:31.48 | mentor | terli: Change to do what? |
| 00:31.58 | terli | er, umm , my script. |
| 00:32.00 | terli | sputnick-area.net/ftp/downloads/disable-service-debian.sh |
| 00:32.02 | terli | oops |
| 00:32.03 | stoned | your script crashed my editor! |
| 00:32.09 | sputnick | ??? |
| 00:32.16 | stoned | kate is frozen now :/ |
| 00:32.18 | terli | http://pastebin.com/m699a61f3 |
| 00:32.18 | mentor | terli: What does it currently not do which you want it to do? |
| 00:32.27 | terli | it crashes. |
| 00:32.34 | mentor | how? |
| 00:32.35 | sputnick | vim http://sputnick-area.net/ftp/downloads/disable-service-debian.sh |
| 00:32.38 | terli | I want it to do what it looks like it should do. |
| 00:33.11 | stoned | I like clicky stuff, thats why I use gui |
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| 00:33.20 | sputnick | gvim http://sputnick-area.net/ftp/downloads/disable-service-debian.sh |
| 00:33.33 | terli | vim? |
| 00:33.35 | terli | VIM? |
| 00:33.38 | terli | nano or bust. |
| 00:33.43 | sputnick | the only one, yes :) |
| 00:33.44 | mentor | terli: I think the first thing to do is to ascertain how and where it crashes... |
| 00:34.01 | terli | Template parse error near `.', in stanza #2 of ./templates |
| 00:34.07 | sputnick | nano http://sputnick-area.net/ftp/downloads/disable-service-debian.sh will never works |
| 00:34.21 | terli | then you wrote it wrong |
| 00:34.27 | stoned | ok, so why would you want to do this? |
| 00:34.29 | sputnick | :D |
| 00:34.42 | terli | do what? |
| 00:34.45 | sputnick | terli: nano don't have http support |
| 00:34.51 | sputnick | vim yes :) |
| 00:34.55 | stoned | sputnick, wget blah; nano blah |
| 00:34.59 | stoned | moving on |
| 00:35.00 | sputnick | sure |
| 00:35.13 | stoned | sputnick, why are you trying to do what you are trying to do |
| 00:35.30 | terli | because he uses a mac. |
| 00:35.44 | sputnick | to skip debian habits to re-enable init links when upgrading packages |
| 00:35.59 | stoned | yes yes |
| 00:36.02 | stoned | but why? isn't this useful |
| 00:36.08 | stoned | say you upgrade mysql for example |
| 00:36.16 | sputnick | I need a try |
| 00:36.17 | stoned | why wouldn't you want what debian alreayd does |
| 00:36.18 | disposable | i am configuring my first dns server. in my book, the SOA header starts with "domain.name. IN SOA etc......" but all the samples in debian have "@" instead of the "domain.name." why? |
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| 00:36.34 | stoned | well, I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole |
| 00:36.42 | stoned | try it out and good luck. |
| 00:36.49 | mentor | terli: Your templates file has a syntax error? |
| 00:36.55 | terli | where. |
| 00:37.14 | terli | I put it in the pastebin |
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| 00:37.51 | mentor | terli: I have absolutely no idea, I don't know the templates file syntax. Maybe you could look in some other files, see any documentation, or try readin the debconf source. |
| 00:38.03 | terli | not possible. |
| 00:38.17 | terli | *holds up the bloodshot eyeballs* |
| 00:38.19 | terli | see? |
| 00:38.21 | terli | I checked those. |
| 00:38.22 | mentor | disposable: @ is a synonym for the root/origin of the zone file |
| 00:38.35 | mentor | terli: Well, good luck then. |
| 00:38.44 | stoned | mentor, hi |
| 00:38.48 | mentor | hello stoned |
| 00:38.57 | stoned | how've you been doing |
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| 00:39.04 | mentor | Oh, I'm still here |
| 00:39.15 | stoned | mentor, you are working on radeon driver by any chancE? |
| 00:39.20 | stoned | are you* |
| 00:39.23 | disposable | mentor: thank you. explains why it's no working :) |
| 00:39.27 | mentor | mmm |
| 00:39.53 | stoned | I should just get off my lazy ass and find the maintainer |
| 00:39.54 | stoned | lol |
| 00:40.01 | stoned | doh |
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| 00:41.27 | Gigantic | hey guys, I still need help converting some aac files, so farr everything I try fail to do a propper conversion |
| 00:41.51 | Gigantic | unless I do an mplayer output to wav and then encode to something else |
| 00:41.59 | Gigantic | but that is unpractical |
| 00:42.09 | nsadmin | why? |
| 00:42.18 | stoned | impractical |
| 00:42.25 | stoned | still incorrect use of the word |
| 00:42.30 | stoned | Gigantic, consult with #mplayer |
| 00:42.41 | stoned | they are experts on transcoding |
| 00:42.53 | Gigantic | and unefficient... anysuggestions? transcode run there forever and never transcode anything, ooenc and flacenc does not support aac |
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| 00:43.23 | nsadmin | inefficient how? |
| 00:43.37 | Gigantic | stoned: yeah, they told me to output to a wav then encode from thare... but that would take double the time, with 10k aac files that is important |
| 00:44.00 | Gigantic | unefficient because you do a > b > c instead of a > b |
| 00:44.08 | nsadmin | you could script it |
| 00:44.15 | stoned | nsadmin, time |
| 00:44.27 | stoned | you can't script time ;) |
| 00:44.31 | nsadmin | Fri Jan 9 00:44:30 UTC 2009 |
| 00:44.34 | Gigantic | even scripted, I'd have the wav output |
| 00:44.52 | stoned | why does it have to be a double conversion? |
| 00:44.58 | stoned | could they not shed more light on this? |
| 00:45.00 | Gigantic | of course I can delete it after but still will use double time |
| 00:45.08 | nsadmin | did you know you could use rm in a script? :) |
| 00:45.26 | Gigantic | nsadmin: ^ |
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| 00:45.48 | nsadmin | you don't yourself have to be in front of the box |
| 00:46.04 | nsadmin | what do you want? quality or time? |
| 00:46.15 | Gigantic | stoned: yes, I think the same but they say that mplayer is not an encoder and mencoder just accept video as input, so the only solution is to dump mplayer to an wav |
| 00:46.30 | Gigantic | but that is the mplayers way... there must be another way |
| 00:46.41 | stoned | Gigantic, looks like then that is the only way. I myself am in no way an expert on this or even know much, I just know basics |
| 00:47.00 | Gigantic | cry |
| 00:47.00 | stoned | Gigantic, if they said thats how you do it, then thats how you do it, I'd take thier advice. |
| 00:47.04 | stoned | sorry buddy :( |
| 00:47.05 | Gigantic | ty stoned |
| 00:47.27 | stoned | yw |
| 00:47.30 | Gigantic | transcode is -supposed- to do it but is buggy looks like in aac s |
| 00:47.46 | Gigantic | and the support channel has 2 peep :p |
| 00:47.49 | Gigantic | anyways |
| 00:48.12 | stoned | did you try the transcode bug track page |
| 00:48.12 | stoned | ? |
| 00:48.23 | stoned | bugs.debian.org/transcode |
| 00:48.47 | Gigantic | haven't think I should |
| 00:48.49 | stoned | or maybe the aac encoder has a bug? check that out? |
| 00:49.00 | stoned | no idea |
| 00:49.20 | Gigantic | no, the aac is correct, it comes from the apple store files |
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| 00:49.35 | Gigantic | used faad to verify too |
| 00:49.37 | stoned | see, that shows you how much I konw! |
| 00:49.39 | stoned | heh |
| 00:49.45 | Gigantic | heh |
| 00:50.00 | Gigantic | pats stoned |
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| 00:50.43 | stoned | is patted |
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| 00:52.20 | jake__ | can someone tell me where i would find a repo source file for debian (standard) that will work - i just replaced the working one and didnt save a back up :S |
| 00:52.36 | sputnick | ftp.debian.org ? |
| 00:52.51 | stoned | !tell jake__ -about sources.list |
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| 00:54.34 | jake__ | thanks for the link sputnick... am having a little trouble locating the file i am after :) |
| 00:54.58 | sputnick | np |
| 00:55.11 | drraid | figured it out |
| 00:55.13 | drraid | ;D |
| 00:55.16 | jake__ | am trying to make the jump from ubuntu to debian - it doesnt seem to run as smoothly out of the box - apt isnt finding all the things it used to be able to find so i was trying to add the ubuntu repo's |
| 00:55.18 | stoned | yay |
| 00:55.30 | stoned | jake__, don't do that |
| 00:55.34 | stoned | jake__, NEVER do that |
| 00:55.39 | stoned | jake__, which programs do you want? |
| 00:55.46 | stoned | !tell jake__ -about non-free |
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| 00:56.45 | karsten | stones Gigantic |
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| 00:56.52 | kelvin_ | this is the first time on this chat room and on this program |
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| 00:57.02 | jake__ | i was trying to use apt to set up my nvidia card |
| 00:57.02 | sputnick | meowwww |
| 00:57.03 | Gigantic | ? |
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| 00:57.23 | jake__ | and using synaptic to find compiz settings manager |
| 00:57.24 | stoned | !tell jake__ -about nvidia |
| 00:57.27 | karsten | kelvin_: I suppose you've got a question? Ask it. |
| 00:57.45 | stoned | karsten, why you stoned him? |
| 00:57.46 | kelvin_ | hi yes i have |
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| 00:58.18 | stoned | jake__, do not add any ubuntu related stuff to your box, if you do, you will not find support here or in #ubuntu |
| 00:58.25 | stoned | distro mixing is NOT recommended |
| 00:58.32 | stoned | you should mix drinks instead. |
| 00:58.40 | ed | lol |
| 00:58.50 | Gigantic | and genes |
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| 01:00.04 | stoned | Gigantic, your genes? you want a race of giants? |
| 01:00.09 | jake__ | should i (as a newbie...) really be using debian? |
| 01:00.14 | stoned | jake__, yes! |
| 01:00.20 | stoned | everyone should use debian |
| 01:00.27 | stoned | everyone should have a friend like me too |
| 01:00.37 | sputnick | oO |
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| 01:00.40 | sputnick | Oo |
| 01:00.45 | Gigantic | Pigmaei gigantum humeris imposti plusquam ipsi gigantes vident |
| 01:01.03 | jake__ | fedora, ubuntu and opensuse have made my installation and setup so much easier |
| 01:01.05 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.12 | Gigantic | that's why my nick is gigantic... nothing to do with my deprecated and tiny ego |
| 01:01.19 | stoned | jake__, this is easy enough |
| 01:01.27 | kelvin_ | if i fire up sanaptic package manager it comes up with this message that i have to run dpkg i have no idea what to do next when i do fire it up its a bit of a problem and i might have to reinstall |
| 01:01.29 | stoned | jake__, debian is actually more finer tune control over your box |
| 01:01.32 | Gigantic | but mixing genes is ... ewww, funny :p |
| 01:01.43 | stoned | jake__, you should /msg dpkg grounding |
| 01:01.47 | stoned | iluminator101, please do not /msg me |
| 01:02.04 | stoned | iluminator101, if it is NOT debian support related, then you may msg me. |
| 01:02.21 | kelvin_ | its linux mint |
| 01:02.47 | stoned | I hate mint. |
| 01:03.04 | jake__ | can someone please give me a standard debian repo list file so i can replace the ubuntu funked one i have made now :S |
| 01:03.23 | stoned | jake__, you were told already. /msg dpkg sources.list and READ |
| 01:03.29 | Gigantic | Yerba buena ftw |
| 01:03.55 | mentor | stoned: I'm not entirely sure I claimed to be working on it |
| 01:04.10 | stoned | mentor, I was thinking of another nick, nm |
| 01:04.16 | terli | ok now somebody help me |
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| 01:04.21 | Gigantic | jake__: I know you've been told but... bad idea |
| 01:04.25 | terli | db_input critical license |
| 01:04.31 | terli | this will display the license right? |
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| 01:04.48 | Gigantic | terli: where? |
| 01:04.51 | terli | in my script |
| 01:04.54 | terli | debconf |
| 01:05.05 | stoned | Gigantic, he is creating a preinstall script for license information for a package |
| 01:05.10 | terli | db_input critical license, where license is a note |
| 01:05.11 | Gigantic | ah |
| 01:05.14 | nxmehta | if i have an sshfs mountpoint and i lose my internet connection, what happens? will it automatically unmount and remount? or do i have to kill sshfs and umount manually before remounting? |
| 01:05.25 | mentor | stoned: I was mucking around with it for a while, testing out the -cs branch |
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| 01:05.38 | stoned | mentor, I'm doig that now actually |
| 01:05.46 | stoned | which is why I was asking |
| 01:05.49 | ed | kelvin: Well, for statrters, this isn't the best channel to ask in. And then there's the problem that you havn't told us wha parameters you're told to run dpkg with and why. |
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| 01:06.32 | iluminator101 | i couldnt get color terminal changed i got phone in between instructions last time, i uncommented a line in .bashrc in etc/skel and i logged out and back in |
| 01:06.37 | terli | what will db_input critical somethinghere || true do> |
| 01:06.40 | jake__ | check me out... i am a guru! |
| 01:07.00 | terli | no, I'm a guru. |
| 01:07.12 | jake__ | i am spartikus! thanks for the help stoned |
| 01:07.12 | stoned | !ls color |
| 01:07.12 | dpkg | add 'alias ls "ls --color"' to /etc/csh.cshrc, or uncomment the three lines in ~/.bash_profile which source ~/.bashrc, since the default .bashrc sets up the ls --color alias. Or ask me about ls colour |
| 01:07.14 | stoned | enjoy |
| 01:07.15 | Gigantic | *There is no spoon |
| 01:07.29 | terli | I upgraded to lenny from hoary, and then went back to gutsy without a single re-format. |
| 01:07.38 | terli | :-P |
| 01:07.57 | terli | what does appending || true do in a script |
| 01:07.59 | stoned | !cookie terli |
| 01:08.00 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... mirrorlist... at http://www.debian.org/~jgg/Mirrors.masterlist |
| 01:08.09 | kelvin__ | hi ok well the mint channel seems to be not working so am bit stufft . not been on linux alot so still lerning and its v interesting |
| 01:08.11 | stoned | headdesk |
| 01:08.43 | ed | kelvin__: Well I should try #ubuntu before #debian for mind |
| 01:08.50 | stoned | kelvin__, join ##linux then, this is not help for linuxmint |
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| 01:09.01 | stoned | ed, no he shouldn't |
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| 01:09.09 | terli | kelvin_ , join #mac, they have all the answers for your kind. |
| 01:09.11 | ed | alright |
| 01:09.11 | kelvin__ | ko thank anyway |
| 01:09.13 | iluminator101 | dpkg i did uncomment alias ls='ls --color=auto' in .bashrc with no luck |
| 01:09.13 | dpkg | iluminator101: You are moron #16 |
| 01:09.27 | stoned | iluminator101, dpkg is a bot |
| 01:09.49 | Gigantic | heh interesting nswer |
| 01:09.51 | stoned | iluminator101, you uncommented it and saved .bashrc, then what did you do? |
| 01:09.51 | kelvin__ | ko cheers ed |
| 01:09.55 | terli | what does || true do ? |
| 01:10.05 | ed | meh, stoned disagrees with me |
| 01:10.06 | stoned | bitwise AND |
| 01:10.07 | oOarthurOo | Hi again debian... I'm trying to install the zotero extension into openoffice 3 .. however, I'm encountering errors because, according to the zotero forums, this extension requires 'openoffice.org-pyuno'... unfortunately, these package doesn't seem to be available in debian. I'm using Lenny, but a developers repo for the oo3 until it makes it to backports. |
| 01:10.07 | iluminator101 | then i logged out and logged in |
| 01:10.11 | terli | in a script. |
| 01:10.17 | stoned | I think |
| 01:10.22 | terli | what does db_input || true do |
| 01:10.34 | ed | but s'okay |
| 01:10.35 | stoned | no && is that, i think || is bitwise OR ... fuck i can't remember |
| 01:10.50 | terli | || is or, and && is and, but thats programming |
| 01:10.55 | \amethyst | oOarthurOo: python-uno perhaps |
| 01:11.03 | terli | this is bash |
| 01:11.11 | stoned | <-- laugh at me |
| 01:11.15 | stoned | I dunno bash |
| 01:11.28 | \amethyst | terli: it runs db_input, then runs "true" if that failed |
| 01:11.42 | \amethyst | terli: normally the 'true' would be a no-op, but this is probably a script with set -e |
| 01:11.49 | terli | yes it is -e |
| 01:11.59 | \amethyst | terli: set -e makes the script fail if a command fails |
| 01:12.12 | terli | so ||true is? |
| 01:12.23 | DanDare | so true ? |
| 01:12.24 | DanDare | :/ |
| 01:12.32 | oOarthurOo | \amethyst: worked a treat. Heh. Didn't think to search aptitude without openoffice in the search terms. |
| 01:12.36 | \amethyst | terli: with set -e, commands that are a part of a || or && list don't cause the script to exit |
| 01:12.36 | oOarthurOo | thanks! |
| 01:12.43 | terli | so I should just remove it? |
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| 01:13.07 | \amethyst | terli: without the || true, if db_input fails the entire script will fail and exit |
| 01:13.14 | terli | thats ok |
| 01:13.19 | \amethyst | terli: with it, the script will keep going even if db_input fails |
| 01:13.19 | terli | it has to display all of it anyway |
| 01:13.55 | hollywoodb | how would I go about finding out why tmw (the mana world (game)) is in sid but neither etch nor lenny/testing? |
| 01:14.20 | karsten | stoned: So you're now descked? |
| 01:14.48 | stoned | huh? |
| 01:14.50 | terli | Template parse error near `Template parallels/license_accepted', in stanza #1 of ./templates |
| 01:14.53 | \amethyst | !why is tmw not in testing |
| 01:14.53 | dpkg | tmw is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=tmw |
| 01:14.57 | nsadmin | hollywoodb look at its package tracking system page |
| 01:14.57 | karsten | stoned: headdesk. |
| 01:15.05 | stoned | karsten, what? |
| 01:15.11 | \amethyst | "no old version in testing" |
| 01:15.39 | mentor | stoned: ah |
| 01:15.40 | karsten | stoned: Dont'ask *me* what it means, you wrote it. |
| 01:15.42 | stoned | karsten, but why are asking me :) |
| 01:15.46 | nsadmin | testing is frozen btw, a game is not at all likely to get in |
| 01:16.01 | \amethyst | looks like it was only added to sid in June 2007 |
| 01:16.06 | karsten | nsadmin: But it's a release-critical game. |
| 01:16.09 | stoned | karsten, no head desk means I like fell forward on my desk and my forhead hit my desk like 'oh i give up' or i dunno some feeling |
| 01:16.13 | stoned | I can't describe it |
| 01:16.24 | nsadmin | then debian is a release-critical game :) |
| 01:16.24 | \amethyst | and it never managed to successfully migrate to testing |
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| 01:16.42 | mentor | stoned: How's it going? |
| 01:16.48 | karsten | Anyone here have a forcedeth device (NVidia nforce NIC) who'se seen panics similar to http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9047 |
| 01:16.50 | stoned | mentor, the code is elegant |
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| 01:16.59 | karsten | ... or not, and could tell me what kernel you're on. |
| 01:17.19 | buu | Goddamn. |
| 01:17.21 | jake__ | is there a specific learning resource that will teach me debian? or should i just go with a general book like RUTE |
| 01:17.24 | stoned | mentor, I should have looked at it a long time ago when i was told about it |
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| 01:17.30 | stoned | I think you told oh yeh... now I remember |
| 01:17.38 | nsadmin | I think I do have a forcedeth |
| 01:17.46 | DanDare | jake__, are you already used to linux ? |
| 01:17.50 | stoned | mentor, you told me to me to get the source of the driver when it was rever engineered, i think that was before ATI released the specs |
| 01:17.51 | dondelelcaro | jake__: there are a few good books, but I'd start by checking out the Debian Reference, and then going from there |
| 01:17.55 | \amethyst | terli: db_input btw is debconf input. It is nearly universally followed by || true in scripts that I have seen |
| 01:18.00 | stoned | mentor, you mentioned it to me to go check it out then |
| 01:18.19 | magyar | whats up with 5.0? |
| 01:18.28 | stoned | politics |
| 01:18.33 | magyar | blehh |
| 01:18.34 | jake__ | used to linux? i have just messed about with it a little - not at intermediate level by any means i wouldnt say - some form a windowz background |
| 01:18.51 | karsten | jake__: http://www.debian.org/doc |
| 01:18.53 | hollywoodb | it looks like at one point tmw-0.0.24 was migrated to testing, unless I'm reading it wrong |
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| 01:19.23 | karsten | jake__: ... is a good start. I'd recommend, in dead-tree books, Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_ and O'Reilly's _Linux in a Nutshell_. |
| 01:19.49 | stoned | mentor, or somebody told me |
| 01:20.00 | karsten | jake__: ... though if you're a total newbie, _Running Linux_ may also be good. It's been a long time since I was a newb. |
| 01:20.10 | terli | ok I have one last problem |
| 01:20.15 | terli | then I think we have it |
| 01:20.21 | DanDare | jake__, dont know if everyone agree but i started reading UNIX guide book. It´s outdated but you can learn some nice very basics |
| 01:20.34 | terli | how do I convert my license into a single template data entity? |
| 01:20.53 | DanDare | those O'Reilly´s books are really nice also |
| 01:21.00 | terli | Template parse error near `PARALLELS SOFTWARE INTERNATIONAL, INC. LICENSES THIS SOFTWARE', in stanza #2 of ./templates |
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| 01:23.26 | DanDare | thinks he´s never really used 'sync' command |
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| 01:23.44 | stoned | oh boy |
| 01:23.53 | stoned | I gotta get away from debian for a while... whew! |
| 01:23.59 | stoned | *afk* |
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| 01:28.20 | nsadmin | stoned: no matter where you go, there you are... |
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| 01:30.50 | mentor | stoned: perfecct recall? :P |
| 01:31.32 | stoned | you know you guys can stop hilighting me anytime you want, I'm not here. ;) |
| 01:32.44 | stoned | goes back to prepare dinner |
| 01:32.54 | mentor | stoned: we can? |
| 01:32.58 | mentor | stoned: thanks |
| 01:33.03 | stoned | I dunno, can you? :) |
| 01:33.11 | stoned | ok ok I'm hungry now bye bye :) |
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| 01:39.23 | stoned | dude josh posted this lol off topic but its hiliarious and nothing much is going on here |
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| 01:39.31 | stoned | "your momma is so dumb she set her buffer length to a minimal octal instead of purging the cache" |
| 01:39.50 | stoned | ok back to kitchen again, know what, I won't shut up until i leave |
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| 01:44.36 | Ben_Pang | I can not upgrade system on etch! |
| 01:45.17 | DanDare | Ben_Pang, why not ? |
| 01:45.23 | Ben_Pang | has report traceback info for File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1373, in ? |
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| 01:45.37 | Ben_Pang | DanDare,has report traceback info for File "/usr/bin/pycentral", line 1373, in ? |
| 01:45.43 | Ben_Pang | AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'remove_byte_code' |
| 01:45.59 | Ben_Pang | I using python2.5 |
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| 01:47.13 | Ben_Pang | DanDare,has dpkg warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 01:47.32 | Ben_Pang | DanDare,What's wrong? |
| 01:47.48 | DanDare | Ben_Pang, sorry i cant help |
| 01:48.03 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: it's been reported |
| 01:48.08 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508155 |
| 01:48.25 | prxtien | im trying to get ipsec working smoothly in my network.. everything goes smooth when between windows/debian when both have no association, but if a ike connection is made and the debian has saved sad keys, then when the windows box reboots the debian box will fail to reassociate, this is with racoon/ipsec-tools.. does anyone have any insight into config options i could use to force a renegociation? |
| 01:48.32 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,^^ |
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| 01:49.32 | mrdudle | has anyone ever had to start up debian twice before it'll load properly? |
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| 01:50.13 | prxtien | mrdudle, sometimes yes, because of a raid controller ive got |
| 01:50.18 | mrdudle | k |
| 01:50.24 | mrdudle | cause i get problems with loading ata1 |
| 01:50.32 | mrdudle | that typical? |
| 01:50.37 | nsadmin | !info upstart |
| 01:50.40 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,how can i do ? removing pycentral or upgrade to verison 0.6.8 |
| 01:50.40 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: unfortunately I don't know how to fix the error, but it might be worth adding to the bug report to confirm that you too are encountering the problem |
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| 01:52.03 | cobra-the-joker | hey there every one |
| 01:52.36 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,thanks |
| 01:52.47 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: hm, what version of python-minimal do you have? |
| 01:52.53 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: dpkg -l python-minimal |
| 01:52.56 | cobra-the-joker | i just installed debian ... and i wanted to install some application...it tells me that pppd , gcc is not installed ...how do i get these ? |
| 01:52.57 | unbeatable | hi i'm thinking to get a domain for my website and i'm not sure what do i need to about putting domain |
| 01:53.01 | unbeatable | can someone help me? |
| 01:53.15 | mrdudle | unbeatable are you running a debian server? |
| 01:53.19 | unbeatable | yea |
| 01:53.27 | mrdudle | ah |
| 01:53.32 | mrdudle | hmmm |
| 01:53.40 | unbeatable | what do i need to find in google lol |
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| 01:53.56 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,wait moment |
| 01:54.07 | nsadmin | whatever you want to find |
| 01:54.18 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: are you upgrading from etch to lenny? or within etch? |
| 01:54.22 | liable | unbeatable: you want to do what? register a domain ? |
| 01:54.29 | unbeatable | yea |
| 01:54.30 | cobra-the-joker | Ben_Pang . you know how i can install pppd , gcc ??? |
| 01:54.31 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,not upgrade |
| 01:54.42 | nsadmin | the more you use google and the less you ask here, the less I see it |
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| 01:54.53 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,its etch, can't do upgrade |
| 01:54.54 | unbeatable | after i get a domain what do i need to do |
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| 01:55.14 | unbeatable | nsadmin if u don't wanna help me out that's fine |
| 01:55.23 | nsadmin | unbeatable: get name servers for it |
| 01:55.27 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,using python-minimal 2.4.4-2 |
| 01:55.30 | Gigantic | unbeatable: give me the root password |
| 01:56.02 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: 'aptitude install what you want' |
| 01:56.13 | simonrvn | !tell cobra-the-joker -about search |
| 01:56.30 | nsadmin | unless you understand name servers really well, you want someone or something else to serve the domain |
| 01:56.38 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: and you're trying to upgrade packages in etch, not upgrade to lenny, right? |
| 01:57.05 | unbeatable | can i just register the domain and use it on my server? |
| 01:57.12 | Gigantic | not necesary to "know really well" tho |
| 01:57.16 | mrdudle | When I install software games etc, they don't appear under the Applications menu. |
| 01:57.36 | mrdudle | Is there a way to set it automatically to add them? |
| 01:57.37 | Gigantic | !tell unbeatable about ddclient |
| 01:57.38 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,yes ~ and the package python-central version is 0.5.12 |
| 01:57.39 | cobra-the-joker | simonrvn , actually that application i s responsible for the netwrok conection ...so i cant get anything with aptitude |
| 01:57.52 | Gigantic | oh great, |
| 01:57.56 | nsadmin | unbeatable sure... but you're going to be learning all about dns really fast... you want to do that? |
| 01:57.56 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,I not upgrade to lenny |
| 01:58.00 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: the problem seems to be that python2.5 is not in the list of supported versions. that list is part of the python-minimal package |
| 01:58.05 | unbeatable | yea |
| 01:58.18 | unbeatable | what do i need be reading in google |
| 01:58.21 | nsadmin | what's the domain for |
| 01:58.25 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: it's strange, though, because I'm not sure how python-central installed stuff for 2.5 in the first place |
| 01:58.41 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: here's something that *might* be a workaround (but back up the file in case it doesn't work): |
| 01:58.46 | unbeatable | for upload server and streaming |
| 01:58.57 | unbeatable | i'm gonna use it with friends |
| 01:59.11 | nsadmin | is the machine well connected/fast connection? |
| 01:59.22 | unbeatable | yea |
| 01:59.23 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,I has installed packages python2.5 and python2.5-minimal |
| 01:59.25 | unbeatable | 100mbits |
| 01:59.28 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: edit /usr/share/python/debian_defaults and change the supported-versions line to supported-versions = python2.4, python2.5 |
| 01:59.29 | unbeatable | up and down |
| 01:59.36 | unbeatable | normally i get 12mbs |
| 01:59.45 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: so grab the right debs for that and stick it on a floppy or usb stick |
| 01:59.48 | nsadmin | so you need the dns to be on a similarly connected machine with static IP |
| 01:59.56 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: also change the unsupported-versions line to just unsupported-versions = python2.3 |
| 02:00.18 | simonrvn | pretty obvious what needs doing, even if you may not know how yet. |
| 02:00.23 | Gigantic | dpkg ddclient is a tool that helps you synchronize your dynamic IP to your hostname, (DynDNS, and a few others) - Install: apt-get install ddclient - Reference: http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/using_ddclient_with_dyndns_services.html |
| 02:00.24 | dpkg | Gigantic: okay |
| 02:00.24 | unbeatable | so what do i need to search in google |
| 02:00.27 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,let me tring it~ |
| 02:00.28 | cobra-the-joker | simonrvn , i downloaded a package from debian packages named gcc-3.4 ...is that enough ? |
| 02:00.30 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: that's not a permanent fix, and will be overwritten next time python-minimal is upgraded, but it might be enough to unbreak pycentral for the time being |
| 02:00.46 | cobra-the-joker | but its only a 1.4 MB:( |
| 02:01.03 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: you need to look at dependencies too |
| 02:01.12 | nsadmin | probably you want to get a book called DNS and BIND |
| 02:01.20 | simonrvn | this reminds me of when i had to do something similar |
| 02:01.27 | cobra-the-joker | thats a hell of a job :D |
| 02:01.36 | unbeatable | is that really hard to do it/> |
| 02:01.38 | unbeatable | ? |
| 02:01.45 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,can full upgrade python from version 2.4 to 2.5 |
| 02:01.48 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: make sure you avoid missing any, otherwise it's going to be more painful. |
| 02:01.59 | nsadmin | there's a lot of detail, yes |
| 02:02.11 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: python 2.4 is still the default in etch, so /usr/bin/python will be 2.4 |
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| 02:02.18 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: i was just starting out with linuxen and debian, when i had to do something similar. |
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| 02:02.36 | unbeatable | um ok i'll go read about dns |
| 02:02.41 | unbeatable | thanks |
| 02:02.46 | simonrvn | get packages to get a network connection going, until i found them all |
| 02:02.49 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: you'll have to wait until lenny for the default to become 2.5 (which is already old) |
| 02:02.55 | nsadmin | there are people who have 30 yrs exp with this stuff |
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| 02:03.15 | simonrvn | and then configuring it... some of the people who helped me back then are still around |
| 02:03.22 | unbeatable | i think it's just simple thing to add domain on my server |
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| 02:03.36 | cobra-the-joker | just starting out with linuxen and debian, when i had to do something similar. |
| 02:03.36 | cobra-the-joker | [04:06] * meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) has left #debian () |
| 02:03.37 | cobra-the-joker | just starting out with linuxen and debian, when i had to do something similar. |
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| 02:03.44 | nsadmin | good luck with that :) |
| 02:03.58 | unbeatable | lol ok |
| 02:04.03 | liable | unbeatable: you just register a domain name, then point the dns at your servers ip |
| 02:04.06 | cobra-the-joker | just starting out with linuxen and debian, when i had to do something similar. |
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| 02:04.18 | simonrvn | ~[3~[3~[3~[3~for getting nostalgic there, hehe |
| 02:04.32 | cobra-the-joker | sorry for that |
| 02:04.35 | cobra-the-joker | :D |
| 02:04.37 | simonrvn | bah |
| 02:04.43 | simonrvn | dumb lag |
| 02:04.47 | simonrvn | np cobra-the-joker |
| 02:04.51 | mrdudle | When I install software games etc, they don't appear under the Applications menu. Any Ideas? |
| 02:05.08 | simonrvn | cobra-the-joker: oh yeh rub it in, eh :P |
| 02:05.19 | cobra-the-joker | lool |
| 02:05.26 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,removed python2.5 can permanent fix the issue? |
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| 02:05.47 | nsadmin | my idea involves chocolate ice cream and about 50 feet of rope |
| 02:05.56 | cobra-the-joker | so how do i know if that package is installed on the system or not ? |
| 02:06.06 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: I don't know... I don't think the problem is that python2.5 is installed, but maybe that pycentral built some things against python2.5 and now doesn't know how to remove them |
| 02:06.11 | simonrvn | nsadmin: a tasty and tight treat |
| 02:06.15 | mrdudle | looks at nsadmin. |
| 02:06.20 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: removing it *might* unbreak things |
| 02:06.25 | mrdudle | Do you ever respond with anything helpful? |
| 02:06.51 | simonrvn | mrdudle: smile, you're on candid irc |
| 02:07.03 | mrdudle | rolls his eyes |
| 02:07.21 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: whatever you figure out to fix the problem, send a message to 508155@bugs.debian.org mentioning that you have the problem and explaining what you did to fix it |
| 02:07.22 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,and xen is supported python2.5? |
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| 02:07.46 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,OK~ |
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| 02:08.36 | mrdudle | When I install software games etc, they don't appear under the Applications menu. Do I have to add them myself? |
| 02:08.47 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:09.00 | simonrvn | you can if you want, but not necessary |
| 02:09.13 | simonrvn | mrdudle: have menu package installed? |
| 02:09.25 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: according to the dependencies, xen-utils-3.0.3 (the version in etch) works with python 2.4 |
| 02:09.27 | mrdudle | oh! |
| 02:09.33 | simonrvn | might want menu-xdg too |
| 02:09.34 | mrdudle | no I don't simonrvn . |
| 02:09.47 | simonrvn | that'll help ;) |
| 02:09.47 | mrdudle | sudo apt-get install menu-xdg ? |
| 02:10.04 | simonrvn | the first one is more crucial |
| 02:10.04 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: aha, as does the backported version of xen-utils-3.2 (but not the lenny version---that one depends on 2.5) |
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| 02:10.22 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,I tring removing version 2.5 for python and tring upgrade etch now |
| 02:10.24 | simonrvn | 'crucial' |
| 02:10.35 | mrdudle | what's the command line name for the menu package |
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| 02:11.05 | simonrvn | mrdudle: what do you mean? apt-cache show menu |
| 02:12.06 | nsadmin | mrdudle: I tend to judge by the amount of information and how specific the question in the initial question... if you got a response that suggests I've been unhelpful, maybe that's because the original questioner didn't supply any information and asked the most unspecific question possible in that initial query... |
| 02:12.10 | newsense | aptitude ? |
| 02:12.11 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,I got wrong for "python or pycentral not found in pycentral.rtinstall hook" |
| 02:12.58 | nsadmin | I tend to have a fairly jaded attitude when that happens... to avoid it, be more informative and specific |
| 02:13.11 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: you might try #debian-python on irc.debian.org (different network) |
| 02:13.25 | mrdudle | simonrvn: How do I install the menu package? |
| 02:13.35 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,Thanks, I tring it~ |
| 02:13.54 | simonrvn | mrdudle: the normal way |
| 02:14.05 | mrdudle | i'm not sure of the name for the package |
| 02:14.24 | simonrvn | you've stated it at least 3 times |
| 02:14.40 | mrdudle | menu-package ? |
| 02:14.55 | simonrvn | menu. just like i said the first time. |
| 02:14.55 | nsadmin | also someone told you the name |
| 02:15.05 | mrdudle | ty simonrvn |
| 02:15.27 | mrdudle | :) |
| 02:15.47 | simonrvn | ok |
| 02:15.49 | mrdudle | simonrvn: I have both of those installed already. |
| 02:15.59 | mrdudle | And they didn't show up in the menu. |
| 02:16.03 | newsense | mrdudle, think your looking for something like kappfinder or xfce4-appfinder |
| 02:16.07 | simonrvn | so run update-menus |
| 02:16.18 | newsense | or just use the menu editor or such |
| 02:16.22 | nsadmin | so then the question becomes: how did you install the programs you're interested in having menu items for? |
| 02:16.27 | newsense | yeah forgot about update-menus thanks :) |
| 02:16.37 | simonrvn | the appfinder apps are useless most of the time |
| 02:16.54 | DanDare | mrdudle, you are looking for 'aptitude' maybe ? |
| 02:17.03 | mrdudle | i'm not sure :S |
| 02:17.06 | simonrvn | ime/imo; they're a lot handier on systems with no menuing system like debian's |
| 02:17.10 | mrdudle | i've never had this problem |
| 02:17.13 | newsense | yeah i dont use em and i never had to really tweak any menus myself |
| 02:17.25 | DanDare | mrdudle, nevermind, sorry |
| 02:17.34 | mrdudle | I'm just wanting the software to show up under Applications. |
| 02:17.36 | mrdudle | lol |
| 02:18.15 | newsense | update-menus like simonrvn suggested |
| 02:18.17 | nsadmin | if it shows up elsewhere, you'd have to edit the menu tree somewho |
| 02:18.23 | simonrvn | wonders when the dumbass botnet onwer is going to get tired of the 403s |
| 02:18.34 | newsense | ohh he wants it under "applications" |
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| 02:18.40 | cobra-the-joker | sighs |
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| 02:18.56 | cobra-the-joker | i installed gcc at laaast |
| 02:19.11 | nsadmin | you might also want build-essential |
| 02:19.20 | simonrvn | i would've gotten the ppp stuf first |
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| 02:19.26 | simonrvn | stuff |
| 02:19.56 | simonrvn | then hook up with remote and fetch what you need |
| 02:20.09 | mrdudle | Is it odd that Debian requires the CD to install some things? |
| 02:20.23 | simonrvn | but that's just me, and i don't really know what your issue is. heh. |
| 02:20.44 | simonrvn | mrdudle: i've gotten by with less |
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| 02:20.49 | mrdudle | k |
| 02:20.52 | mrdudle | has an idea |
| 02:21.02 | simonrvn | like 3 floppies |
| 02:21.41 | cheekee | why did debian and ubuntu part ways? |
| 02:21.56 | simonrvn | they didn't. |
| 02:22.33 | simonrvn | ubuntu was forked, because some rich dude wanted linux for regular non-geek people |
| 02:23.25 | smacnay | what is the most efficient method of setting up a dialup connection? I have run pppconfig and got the modem to dial out but communication hangs. 'route' shows nothing at all and hangs as well. |
| 02:24.05 | nsadmin | smacnay: watch the log while the connection is being tried |
| 02:24.16 | smacnay | user is a member of 'dialout' |
| 02:24.19 | cheekee | I don't have ubuntu, but their chat channel is awesome, absolutely enormous. So what's wrong with non- geeks? |
| 02:24.21 | simonrvn | smacnay:enabling debug will help |
| 02:24.46 | smacnay | nsadmin: I did see that 4 echo requests were not responded to. |
| 02:25.01 | smacnay | simonrvn: thanks |
| 02:25.14 | simonrvn | cheekee: nothing at all. some people don't have, or want, the sometimes needed technical skills. |
| 02:25.56 | cheekee | lol! Like Windows users... |
| 02:26.18 | simonrvn | some people aren't 'wired' that way, but are good at other things. it's just life. |
| 02:27.08 | cheekee | ok thanks! I know I put you on a spot. thanks for the info. |
| 02:27.18 | simonrvn | not at all. np. |
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| 02:28.12 | cheekee | I haven't yet mastered all my bash commands. lol |
| 02:28.27 | nsadmin | one at a time |
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| 02:28.30 | simonrvn | s'ok |
| 02:31.20 | cheekee | Anyway, a Geek may have time to figure out how many ladies in red dresses drive blue Mercedes, but not the inner workings of Linux |
| 02:31.32 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,I can upgrade other packages but not package reportbug |
| 02:32.19 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: oh, because it's python... |
| 02:32.20 | nsadmin | inner workings, you mean the kernel? |
| 02:32.41 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: was #debian-python on OFTC able to help? |
| 02:33.22 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,ok ~ |
| 02:33.26 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,thanks~ |
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| 02:33.36 | shiloh7_ | can anyone recomend a release? |
| 02:34.02 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: I'm recommending that because it's the official channel of the python team, so you're likely to find someone who really knows what's going on |
| 02:34.08 | nsadmin | what do you want to let go of? |
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| 02:34.26 | shiloh7_ | lol nsadmin |
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| 02:35.43 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, just wondering what version of debian is best |
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| 02:35.47 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,^^ |
| 02:35.49 | nsadmin | shiloh7_: ever run linux before? |
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| 02:36.08 | Pulpie | is there a linux equilvalent to /etc/ttys on freebsd? |
| 02:36.44 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, yes, im kinda sick of ubuntu, i cant deal with fedora and xorg constantly crashing with a new kernel every week |
| 02:37.03 | \amethyst | Pulpie: not exactly; it's configured in /etc/inittab |
| 02:37.09 | nsadmin | what purpose would the machine serve? |
| 02:37.23 | \amethyst | Pulpie: if you mean configuring which vts you can log in to |
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| 02:38.14 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, i wanted to try debian, its a home machine, some games |
| 02:38.23 | shiloh7_ | more so personal PC and main operating system |
| 02:38.25 | Ben_Pang | #debian-python so silence.... |
| 02:38.30 | nsadmin | maybe lenny |
| 02:39.17 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, not that it matters but im a gnome user |
| 02:39.31 | nsadmin | lenny is still a (slow) moving target tho... if that bothers you, you can trade using somewhat older software for more stability |
| 02:39.34 | \amethyst | Ben_Pang: you might have to wait for a response. in the meantime, you can seek more help here, but I'm not sure what to try next |
| 02:39.46 | shiloh7_ | naadmin, is lenny the newest release? |
| 02:39.58 | nsadmin | no, etch is |
| 02:40.00 | \amethyst | Pulpie: there are lines in inittab like 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 that say to run /sbin/getty on port tty2 in runlevels 2 and 3 |
| 02:40.03 | nsadmin | lenny is close tho |
| 02:40.07 | Ben_Pang | \amethyst,ok~ |
| 02:40.39 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, in your opinion is etch a little tougher on the learning curve? |
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| 02:40.52 | Pulpie | \amethyst: i dont believe thats what I am looking for, im trying to port pulpie.ath.cx/vanish to debian |
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| 02:43.27 | \amethyst | Pulpie: I don't see any reference to /etc/ttys in that code |
| 02:44.20 | nsadmin | shiloh7_: hmm... maybe they're about even depending on what you do... but etch is the older of the two and is actually released, which makes it very stable |
| 02:46.06 | pickcoder | I think Lenny is more stable than Fedora 9 for that matter |
| 02:46.32 | lostson | yes it is |
| 02:46.36 | lostson | alot !! |
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| 02:48.57 | Cypherus | Hi everyone! I have an issue with my server running on debian. For some reason I can't write to its HD, even when I'm logged in as root. |
| 02:49.00 | shiloh7_ | i have a BE, im familiar with wine, and i love th qcad, geda and use it at work on a daily basis |
| 02:49.09 | Cypherus | Which of course also means it's not running properly |
| 02:49.27 | Cypherus | I've had my ISP run a disk check and they claim nothing is wrong. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 02:49.52 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, so use would be heavy, and im not afraid to use terminal or synaptic |
| 02:49.53 | pickcoder | Cypherus: example? |
| 02:50.05 | nsadmin | shiloh7_: probably either etch or lenny would be fine |
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| 02:50.12 | Cypherus | pickcoder, of what? |
| 02:50.23 | Cypherus | I can't write files to the HD. |
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| 02:50.25 | pickcoder | the problem maybe? and the errors? |
| 02:50.29 | nsadmin | if you start with etch you can upgrade to lenny, but debian is allergic to downgrades |
| 02:50.30 | nippz | hey what's up yall |
| 02:50.33 | nippz | !distrowar |
| 02:50.35 | nippz | arg |
| 02:50.38 | Pulpie | \amethyst: check out the whois scalar |
| 02:50.39 | nippz | what's that trigger again? |
| 02:50.42 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, thank you very much, im going to find the correct dl then, im looking forward to this experience |
| 02:50.59 | hikenboot | firgured i would ask in here ...I created a perl script which forwards whatever message that is piped to it to one of my email accounts and applied it as a filter in evolution |
| 02:51.03 | Cypherus | hosted-by:/home# echo hello > file |
| 02:51.03 | Cypherus | -bash: file: Read-only file system |
| 02:51.05 | nsadmin | !start a barbie war |
| 02:51.05 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 02:51.13 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, yeah im allergic to downgrades as well, sounds like a good match |
| 02:51.26 | hikenboot | instead of forwarding a group of message or an individual message it drops my internet connection |
| 02:51.29 | hikenboot | anyone know why |
| 02:52.01 | Cypherus | pickcoder, since the harddisk is not writable that means that non of my services running are working |
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| 02:52.14 | \amethyst | Pulpie: I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't see anything about whois in either of the two tarballs on that site |
| 02:52.17 | pickcoder | Cypherus: HDD != file system |
| 02:52.27 | pickcoder | what are the permissions on /home |
| 02:52.31 | \amethyst | Pulpie: vanish.tar.bz2 and cvanish.tar.bz2 |
| 02:53.00 | Cypherus | pickcoder, drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2008-08-29 12:00 home |
| 02:53.05 | huwenfeng | i am using svn under Debian etch. the /home/svn_repo is created by root, and what i want to do is to have a working copy of the repo as another ordinary user. how can i do that? |
| 02:53.22 | hikenboot | could it be my provider thinks i am sending spam and drops my connection? |
| 02:53.34 | Cypherus | pickcoder, how can the FS all the sudden become not-writable? |
| 02:53.52 | pickcoder | pastebin mount output |
| 02:53.59 | \amethyst | Pulpie: note that smoke will not work on Linux |
| 02:54.07 | Cypherus | pickcoder, where do I find that? |
| 02:54.07 | \amethyst | Pulpie: at least not as it's currently written |
| 02:54.12 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 02:54.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:54.26 | pickcoder | erm.. it's "mount"? |
| 02:54.30 | Pulpie | \amethyst: nothing will work on anything but freebsd |
| 02:54.37 | \amethyst | Pulpie: vanish works |
| 02:54.38 | Pulpie | \amethyst: but whats wrong with it |
| 02:54.44 | Pulpie | \amethyst: it does? |
| 02:55.03 | pickcoder | Cypherus: the only time, I'm aware of, that the FS will automatically go read-only is if there are file system errors |
| 02:55.05 | Cypherus | pickcoder, http://pastebin.com/d4611ded4 |
| 02:55.07 | pickcoder | not always hard drive errors |
| 02:55.10 | \amethyst | Pulpie: on Linux the login(3) function will fill out the fields of the struct ut |
| 02:55.20 | Pulpie | \amethyst: maybe you should join #pulpie and talk with its real creator im acting like a relay right now |
| 02:55.25 | \amethyst | Pulpie: rather than trusting the values provided by the user |
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| 02:55.33 | pickcoder | Cypherus: and you ran an fsck on it? |
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| 02:56.28 | Cypherus | no, I was told yesterday that if my hd was crashing (which I was told be someone else probably was the case) and scan could hurt it even more.. |
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| 02:56.52 | Cypherus | but my ISP apparantly did some kind of scan, don't know which thought |
| 02:56.55 | pickcoder | you said the ISP checked the drives |
| 02:57.08 | \amethyst | Pulpie: too many channels as-is, but I can try to answer privmsgs (if he/she is registered) |
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| 02:57.31 | Cypherus | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 02:57.31 | Cypherus | SEVERE filesystem damage. |
| 02:57.35 | Pulpie | \amethyst: ill get him to join here it might be easier |
| 02:57.36 | \amethyst | Pulpie: I did have to add #include <string.h> to get it to compile, but after that vanish seems to work fine in Debian (when run as root of course) |
| 02:57.51 | Cypherus | is that something I should say yes to ? |
| 02:57.57 | pickcoder | Cypherus: you can't run a fsck on a mounted volume |
| 02:58.06 | pickcoder | you have to tell it to check @boot an reboot the machine |
| 02:58.06 | nsadmin | Cypherus: which filesystem is it? |
| 02:58.20 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, do you recoment bootcd net install or full dl dvd/iso? |
| 02:58.27 | Cypherus | nsadmin, no idea.. |
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| 02:58.56 | Pulpie | \amethyst: talk to grobe0ba about it more please. he knows more about it. |
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| 02:59.08 | grobe0ba | right.... |
| 02:59.09 | pickcoder | Cypherus: you can touch /forcefsck and then reboot. It will check the filesystems |
| 02:59.12 | grobe0ba | i just kinda hacked it together |
| 02:59.35 | nsadmin | shiloh7_ netinstall or minimal install can try to establish networking early in the install process... that way, it can download most of the installer itself |
| 02:59.38 | Cypherus | hosted-by:/# touch /forcefsck |
| 02:59.38 | Cypherus | touch: cannot touch `/forcefsck': Read-only file system |
| 02:59.49 | nsadmin | that depends on it supporting your net hardware |
| 02:59.55 | pickcoder | then you will need to boot into single user and run it |
| 03:00.04 | pickcoder | hopefully you can access the grub menu |
| 03:00.24 | Cypherus | hmm.. this is a server located in Netherlands and I'm in Australia.. |
| 03:00.29 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 03:00.30 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, again, ty very much :) your advice is greatly appreciated |
| 03:00.32 | Cypherus | that makes that a bit harder, doesn't it? |
| 03:00.46 | nsadmin | but the netinstall can also get and install the installer and debian base (the most minimal possible) from the cd |
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| 03:00.55 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: I was just saying that smoke.c won't work on a glibc system (such as Linux), because login(3) doesn't pay attention to ut_line, ut_type, or ut_pid and in fact overwrites them |
| 03:01.08 | grobe0ba | ahh |
| 03:01.10 | grobe0ba | i compiled vanish on my debian vps |
| 03:01.12 | grobe0ba | doesn't work |
| 03:01.17 | nsadmin | shiloh7_: knowing what to advise is at least half the battle |
| 03:01.18 | grobe0ba | fails every time |
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| 03:01.35 | nsadmin | you're welcoem |
| 03:01.36 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: hm |
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| 03:01.38 | grobe0ba | im also kind of surprised that anyone downloaded any of that |
| 03:01.38 | nbeebo | how do i check how much mb a program takes up? |
| 03:01.55 | Cypherus | pickcoder, so is there any way to get it done without having fysical access to it ? |
| 03:02.00 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: actually, I didn't try vanish with a pty, maybe that is the problem |
| 03:02.05 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, indeed, im excited to delve in |
| 03:02.06 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: yeah, that's it |
| 03:02.19 | grobe0ba | yeah |
| 03:02.20 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: not all ttys on Linux are named "tty*" |
| 03:02.22 | nsadmin | ls -l $(which thatprogram) |
| 03:02.23 | grobe0ba | i THINK it may work |
| 03:02.26 | grobe0ba | yes i know |
| 03:02.28 | grobe0ba | it may work |
| 03:02.30 | pickcoder | Cypherus: the ISP needs to run fsck on the file systems if you can't do it |
| 03:02.38 | grobe0ba | if i restructure that |
| 03:02.38 | grobe0ba | to pty/ |
| 03:02.38 | grobe0ba | instead |
| 03:02.40 | pickcoder | it's mounted rw so it must be a drive problem |
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| 03:02.48 | Cypherus | ok, guess all I can do is to send them an email.. |
| 03:02.49 | grobe0ba | fbsd just happens to use that format |
| 03:02.50 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: well, some of them *are* named with tty :) |
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| 03:03.00 | grobe0ba | like the usage says |
| 03:03.04 | nsadmin | grobe0ba: I've noticed you're really entery |
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| 03:03.08 | grobe0ba | vanish p5 |
| 03:03.17 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: the VTs are tty1 and up, but PTYs these days are /dev/pts/N |
| 03:03.18 | grobe0ba | nsadmin: appologies |
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| 03:03.28 | grobe0ba | \amethyst: yeah. |
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| 03:03.42 | grobe0ba | \amethyst: i think it may work if i use pty/# |
| 03:03.46 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: maybe if you had it take the full tty name as an argument instead of just two letters |
| 03:04.08 | grobe0ba | i only did that for ease of use |
| 03:04.16 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: maybe have it, for backwards compatibility, prepend "tty" if you specify only one or two characters |
| 03:04.19 | nbeebo | how do i check how much mb a program takes up? |
| 03:04.29 | grobe0ba | nbeebo: what do you mean? |
| 03:04.32 | nsadmin | ls -l $(which thatprogram) |
| 03:04.34 | pickcoder | nbeebo: that's a tricky question |
| 03:04.38 | grobe0ba | space on the hard drive? |
| 03:04.48 | nbeebo | ehm... |
| 03:05.19 | nsadmin | that presupposes thatprogram can be found in your $PATH |
| 03:05.26 | nbeebo | grobe0ba, , pickcoder so u see dependencies and what size it takes up on ur hard drive... kinda |
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| 03:06.00 | \amethyst | nbeebo: aptitude shows that information |
| 03:06.09 | \amethyst | nbeebo: for programs that you installed from debian packages |
| 03:06.18 | \amethyst | nbeebo: it will show you the compressed and uncompressed size |
| 03:06.41 | pickcoder | \amethyst: for the entire depenency tree? |
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| 03:06.45 | \amethyst | nbeebo: though that doesn't always count config files, and it doesn't count things like databases belonging to mysql |
| 03:06.48 | \amethyst | no |
| 03:06.52 | \amethyst | only for that package |
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| 03:06.57 | pickcoder | he wants the whole deal |
| 03:07.02 | \amethyst | but you can navigate the dependency tree |
| 03:07.08 | \amethyst | sorry for being so enter-y |
| 03:07.08 | simonrvn | dpigs ;p |
| 03:07.26 | nbeebo | \amethyst, ok thats what im looking for... thank you very much |
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| 03:07.57 | pickcoder | simonrvn: neat.. thanks |
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| 03:08.17 | nbeebo | its aptitude show (package) |
| 03:08.19 | simonrvn | np |
| 03:09.32 | nvz | baffles over why he seems to get more chars on screen on his cell with this client when the keyboard is closed. |
| 03:09.50 | simonrvn | nvz! |
| 03:10.03 | simonrvn | how are ya? |
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| 03:10.04 | nvz | nm figured it out.. |
| 03:10.12 | grobe0ba | okay |
| 03:10.14 | grobe0ba | vanish works |
| 03:10.21 | AbortRetryFail | anybody know if you can change X's BPP on the fly? |
| 03:10.23 | AbortRetryFail | if so how? |
| 03:10.31 | AbortRetryFail | xrandr doesn't have any options for bpp |
| 03:11.06 | nvz | doin alright. just did a firmware update on my phone cause it said server error trying to dl anything from anywhere |
| 03:11.08 | grobe0ba | \amethyst: i got vanish to work on ptys. you are sure smoke won't work? |
| 03:11.36 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: you might be able to get part of it to work, but you won't be able to fake the tty |
| 03:11.54 | grobe0ba | k |
| 03:11.56 | grobe0ba | thx |
| 03:12.08 | simonrvn | nvz: cool |
| 03:12.10 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: which actually might not be so bad--you just have to redirect stdin from the tty you want to use before you call login() |
| 03:12.28 | grobe0ba | yeah |
| 03:13.08 | grobe0ba | another thing to learn how to do.... |
| 03:13.13 | grobe0ba | this was just a random thing Pulpie was trying to break |
| 03:13.19 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: I still wasn't able to get it to add an entry, but I didn't try all that hard to make it work |
| 03:13.19 | nvz | yeah i just dl jmirc and virca. the latter doesnt seem to work well with phones that flip out and change orientation |
| 03:14.37 | AbortRetryFail | not a clue? |
| 03:14.37 | grobe0ba | \amethyst: i'll work on it. if i can get it to work, ill post 'em both on the page. if i can't, i'll still post vanish there. |
| 03:14.37 | grobe0ba | thx again for the help, btw |
| 03:14.37 | Pulpie | grobe0ba: lol i wasn't trying to break anything, I said I wanted to create it and you jumped on it before me :P |
| 03:14.37 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: to redirect stdin you open the terminal, giving you a file descriptor fd. then you do dup2(fd, 0) |
| 03:14.38 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.38 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: np |
| 03:14.38 | simonrvn | nvz: :/ |
| 03:15.38 | grobe0ba | Pulpie: i'm wondering if i should'nt part from this channel.... We both know what happend when i try to do things with Debian... |
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| 03:15.57 | nvz | i have no phone cable or internet service but i can do it all on my new cell... so i guess its better than nothin |
| 03:16.14 | stoned | nvz! |
| 03:16.23 | simonrvn | nvz: for sure |
| 03:16.33 | pickcoder | nvz: when you hand cramps up you may start missing that qwerty |
| 03:16.40 | pickcoder | s/you/your |
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| 03:17.20 | shiloh7_ | nsadmin, could you by change pont me to the proper dl link, i have i386 |
| 03:17.44 | nvz | hah hand cramped up hours ago.. when i was configuring a bunch of crap i gotta do all over now cause of the upgrade |
| 03:18.10 | stoned | whats going on in the world of nvz |
| 03:18.23 | stoned | besides hand cramps |
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| 03:18.47 | stoned | and thanks they are from using a phone ;) |
| 03:18.52 | stoned | hah |
| 03:19.11 | stoned | shiloh7_, what link are you looking for? |
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| 03:20.13 | nvz | been one upgrade after another lately... tv wouldnt work had to upgrade that app then the email app needed updated.. then the im app.. then the downloads wouldnt work so i had to upgrade the whole firmware..ugh |
| 03:20.17 | shiloh7_ | stoned, :-), love the name, i would like to install debian, net install CD, for i386 |
| 03:20.55 | pickcoder | !di |
| 03:20.55 | dpkg | 4.0r6 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 03:21.02 | pickcoder | shiloh7_: ^^ |
| 03:21.36 | nvz | wanders off to fuck with stuff |
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| 03:24.11 | nvz | hmm gonna test this running in the background while watching tv and stuff.. |
| 03:27.27 | DanDare | Well this not really a Debian question but at least im on Debian etch right now: From remote shell How to invoke 'startx' to have X loaded onto phisical monitor atached on the host computer? Let´s say im root and want to load X to david (david not logged yet)? |
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| 03:29.19 | simonrvn | !ops MillerTm |
| 03:29.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: MillerTm |
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| 03:29.28 | DanDare | wtg |
| 03:29.42 | VolVE | awesome |
| 03:29.51 | simonrvn | all from the same ip... |
| 03:29.59 | VolVE | noob |
| 03:30.37 | sajes | Hmm. an mIRC only server? ;) |
| 03:30.50 | simonrvn | ShaiLesH joined just before the crapflood |
| 03:31.03 | simonrvn | ops/staff ^^ |
| 03:31.12 | simonrvn | (and left after it) |
| 03:31.16 | nalioth | don't you see the klines happening? |
| 03:31.32 | simonrvn | i saw one. take it easy. |
| 03:31.45 | DanDare | sometimes i imagine how good if everybody in the world had an static IP |
| 03:31.53 | DanDare | but how bad also :/ |
| 03:32.13 | sajes | DanDare: It'd be rather horrible for ipv4 limitations. :o |
| 03:33.14 | pickcoder | K-lined.. heh |
| 03:33.25 | DanDare | fair |
| 03:33.45 | simonrvn | nalioth: i just thought you might've not seen it, that's all. |
| 03:33.55 | nsadmin | iiiiits a kayyyyyliiiiiiiiine aaaaaaaaaaaafter aaaaaaaalll... |
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| 03:37.52 | roe_ | I have some files I used bcrypt to encrypt, except I forgot the exact password... |
| 03:38.14 | roe_ | any idea of how to script the process of trying twenty or so passwords |
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| 03:38.32 | simonrvn | for loop? |
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| 03:39.21 | roe_ | it is testing the return value, should I just compare the text? There is no return 0 or return 1 behavior |
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| 03:40.08 | \amethyst | roe_: yeah, check the resulting text for some string you know it contains |
| 03:40.33 | simonrvn | \amethyst took the words outta my mouth |
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| 03:51.49 | android60 | about 3 years ago i started using ubuntu because their apt repos were more up to date then debian :( but it still had the debian base . is that still true today? |
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| 03:52.34 | android60 | because id like to go back to using debian |
| 03:54.29 | sajes | android60: www.packages.debian.org |
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| 03:56.20 | simonrvn | android60: making a system into debian is a long process, even if you know what you're doing. often it's easier to reinstall. |
| 03:56.37 | android60 | simonrvn, thats what i planned on doing |
| 03:56.51 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 03:57.03 | android60 | i was just wondering comparatively if debian repos remained as up to date as ubuntu ones |
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| 03:58.11 | simonrvn | depends what you mean by that. stable is meant to be very stable. |
| 03:58.27 | hooya | i'm looking for a tool somewhat similar to, say, httperf, but something simpler in that the 'protocol' is basically a line in = line out.. i need to stress test the threading of accepts.. |
| 03:58.41 | hooya | anything like that? |
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| 04:00.08 | android60 | simonrvn, i dont mean stable, like with kde 4.2 beta 2 there are official experimental kubuntu repos with it |
| 04:00.14 | hooya | android60: up-to-date with security patches: yes. up-to-date in experimental/testing not-so-much. up-to-date in stable - no. |
| 04:00.31 | android60 | for things like that its nice to have official repos |
| 04:00.48 | android60 | hooya, ya thats kinda what i figured :/ |
| 04:00.57 | android60 | so what is the general opinion around here on ubuntu? |
| 04:01.21 | simonrvn | i don't usually counsel this, but you could go with sid/experimental. however, this means you're on your own. |
| 04:01.45 | simonrvn | just another .deb distro. |
| 04:02.14 | Ben_Pang | I found info like "4gb seg fixup, process keepalived (pid 2433), cs:ip ..." on xen |
| 04:02.20 | hooya | i can't speak for others but, i think it's great. i would highly recommend it to others trying linux out - or even if they're advanced users - it's great for the desktop. it's not for me though. |
| 04:03.26 | simonrvn | hooya: if there's something out there like that (your question), i don't know of it. i'd start looking in sid packages, then google it. |
| 04:04.22 | hooya | been looking at various things.. there are testing tools for sip, http and general tcp benchmarking but nothing, it seems, for stress testing an 'echo' server. |
| 04:04.35 | hooya | simonrvn: ^ |
| 04:05.26 | hooya | android60: sometimes it's good to not have a moving target - especially if you write code for a living. debian is that nice stable target. |
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| 04:08.59 | android60 | hooya lol true |
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| 04:10.46 | Younix | where can i get an example of sources.list (an up-to-date example) |
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| 04:11.26 | debianour | where to get info to troubleshooting efax problem? |
| 04:11.46 | pickcoder | call efax? |
| 04:12.16 | debianour | pickcoder: efax is not a company. |
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| 04:12.28 | debianour | its a package. |
| 04:12.36 | pickcoder | ww.efax.com |
| 04:12.38 | debianour | software package. |
| 04:12.41 | pickcoder | s/ww/www |
| 04:12.44 | pickcoder | :) |
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| 04:13.04 | debianour | i c what you meant. good idea. thks. |
| 04:13.13 | hooya | that should have been send a fax to efax? sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 04:14.20 | pickcoder | info efax |
| 04:14.29 | pickcoder | !info efax |
| 04:14.31 | pickcoder | lose |
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| 04:14.49 | dpkg | efax: (programs to send and receive fax messages), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:0.9a-19 (sid), Packaged size: 103 kB, Installed size: 237 kB |
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| 04:15.47 | linux_stu | in gnome, how can i configure NetworkManager to handle my network connections and nm-applet to be autostarted? |
| 04:16.05 | Younix | i just downloaded and installe debian, and the version of gnome that came installed is 2.14.3, but the latest gnome version (on the website) is like 2.24 |
| 04:16.16 | Younix | why isn't the new version of gnome showing up in my package manager |
| 04:16.17 | pickcoder | debianour: why not use hylafax? |
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| 04:17.20 | debianour | pickcoder: what is that? looking thro' the efax site, it has a package which allow send/receive fax by email. its non-free. any free ones around? |
| 04:17.43 | pickcoder | hylafax with a mail-to-fax setup |
| 04:17.49 | pickcoder | www.hylafax.org |
| 04:18.07 | debianour | pickcoder: thks, will look it up now. |
| 04:18.17 | pickcoder | there are also destop faxing clients for many O/S |
| 04:18.27 | pickcoder | what kinda hardware are you running? |
| 04:19.07 | _Cid | Anyone here good at sieve scripts? - I can't seem to get a script to act (correctly) based on spam ratings |
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| 04:23.35 | debianour | pickcoder: I have a adsl modem and a 64K faxmodem. Used to be able to efax but that was a long while ago. Now, i get: "can't open serial port /dev/ttySL0: Permission denied". |
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| 04:28.50 | pickcoder | debianour: does uucp own the tty? |
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| 04:28.58 | linux_stu | how do i make /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start at boot? |
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| 04:29.17 | shyam_k` | hi , when i try to connect to my system from another through ssh, it says connection refused, but i can connect to the other from my system.. how can i check whether my server is working fine? |
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| 04:29.51 | shyam_k` | now am single in my home, and ssh localhost should work right? |
| 04:30.09 | eflynn | ok, i added myself to a group. how can i have it take effect without having to log out and log back in? |
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| 04:31.10 | eflynn | i.e. do i just start a login shell? |
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| 04:31.19 | ganes | what is the main difference between 32-bit 64-bit processor |
| 04:31.21 | eflynn | anyone know? |
| 04:31.28 | _Cid | about ...32 ? |
| 04:31.53 | eflynn | ganes, um, the word size? :P |
| 04:32.18 | ganes | eflynn, nothing other than that |
| 04:32.21 | _Cid | eflynn: source your shell rc file...or the easier way, open a new shell :-) |
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| 04:32.34 | x1250 | ganes, google knows :) |
| 04:32.51 | ganes | eflynn, can you give me a chart of comparing these two |
| 04:32.56 | K_Sakura | That and on a 64 bit processor with a 64 bit OS, POSIX time is 64 bits instead of 32. |
| 04:33.01 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys....how can i activate a network device ? |
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| 04:33.49 | ganes | x1250, i googled but i didnt get a good comparison chart .. is there any chart in debian |
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| 04:34.37 | eflynn | _Cid, no opening a new shell doesn't do it, nor does sourcing the rc file. I would have to quit X, logout, log back in through getty, and start X again. But I don't want to do all that. Where is an uber unix wizard when I need one? |
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| 04:36.13 | _Cid | eflynn: no idea then, sorry mate - good luck |
| 04:37.08 | cobra-the-joker | how can i activate a network device ? |
| 04:37.16 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, the network card is listed by 'lspci' and you have the driver modules loaded in the kernel ? |
| 04:37.28 | bluethundr | what is the most current package for postgrey? need to install but apt is FAIL |
| 04:37.31 | cobra-the-joker | yes ....its loaded |
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| 04:37.50 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, so its just configuring the card |
| 04:37.58 | debianour | pickcoder: how to tell if uucp owns the tty? |
| 04:37.58 | bluethundr | sudo aptitude install postgrey no workee |
| 04:38.08 | cobra-the-joker | you see .....am using a usb adsl modem |
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| 04:38.18 | cobra-the-joker | i have the firmwre working |
| 04:38.46 | huwenfeng | what's exact a firmwire mean? a harewire? a software? |
| 04:38.50 | cobra-the-joker | but in fedora ...i used to click activate from system-config-network ...then i get the connection |
| 04:39.11 | cobra-the-joker | now ...all i need is to activate ...but i dont know how to |
| 04:39.12 | aidan | huwenfeng: firmware is software that is embedded in hardware |
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| 04:39.23 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 04:40.12 | eflynn | _Cid: ##linux clued me in: type newgrp at the shell |
| 04:40.26 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, if you have just 1 card will (mostly) be eth0 and you can try that link at "10.2.1 Low level network configuration – ifconfig and route" |
| 04:40.33 | _Cid | eflynn: we live and we learn :-) |
| 04:41.32 | cobra-the-joker | DanDare .... i told you ...its a usb ADSL modem (speedtouch 330)...no ethernet interface ..just pppoe over usb |
| 04:42.10 | eflynn | _Cid, take notes, i guess |
| 04:42.11 | x1250 | cobra-the-joker, is the device recognized? take a look at dmesg, it should say something about it. |
| 04:42.29 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, it will create something different than eth0 i guess cant imagine what |
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| 04:43.07 | cobra-the-joker | x1250 ...i saw its name and loading in the kernal booting ....and its 100% responding |
| 04:43.29 | cobra-the-joker | but its just not active :( |
| 04:44.20 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, modem is acting bridge or like router ? |
| 04:44.47 | cobra-the-joker | all i know it uses br245ctl or something |
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| 04:45.16 | linux_stu | how do i make /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start at boot? (just noticed there is already an init script) |
| 04:45.26 | cobra-the-joker | DanDare ...yes i think there is a bridge connection |
| 04:46.02 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, so go to that link and search for "10.6.1.5 Configuring a PPPoE interface" |
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| 04:46.36 | DanDare | cobra-the-joker, but maybe you will not have eth0 but something else |
| 04:46.41 | shyam_k` | its cleared now.. had a badly installed ssh.. |
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| 04:52.22 | Gigantic | "something" pulls my cdtray in all the time it happen with all OSes but it didn't use to happen before, any idea where to look for? |
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| 04:52.41 | Gigantic | it is annoying to keep pulling the tray out |
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| 04:54.30 | DanDare | im just looking "man eject" and it have a -v verbose mode o.O |
| 04:55.12 | _Cid | hehe |
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| 04:55.26 | Gigantic | it ejects correctly but 2 secs after it gets in again |
| 04:56.08 | Gigantic | im looking at a bios/drive issue |
| 04:56.17 | x1250 | cobra-the-joker, ifconfig doesn't show the modem? |
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| 05:00.10 | DanDare | Gigantic, maybe its not a hardware fault, like the micro switch in shortcut or the own button stucked in the "push" position |
| 05:02.35 | Gigantic | DanDare: Micro switch? the one in the tray? |
| 05:02.42 | Gigantic | the button is not stuck |
| 05:03.30 | Gigantic | i'd have to open the drive to check that |
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| 05:05.16 | grobe0ba | \amethyst: i have come to the conclusiong that smoke.c isn't worth the trouble. |
| 05:05.21 | Gigantic | but it's a hint ty |
| 05:05.27 | grobe0ba | \amethyst: i did get vanish working, and it is on the page |
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| 05:06.23 | \amethyst | grobe0ba: cool |
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| 05:08.22 | wd | don't laugh but i have to install sarge again on a laptop where can i get sarge cd...better yet i have the floppies.. i need the sarge mirrors for netinstall because non work. |
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| 05:09.18 | nsadmin | try archive.debian.org |
| 05:09.32 | wd | it's a toshiba 400cs laptop, 40meg ram, 2g hd, pentium. i just installed etch but on reboot it froze i think lap wont push the 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 05:10.08 | wd | nsadmin: oh. ok. |
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| 05:10.41 | wd | i used the floppy netinstall and 2.4 kernel is great with this lap.. but no mirrors in any country will work. |
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| 05:11.37 | wd | nsadmin: sorry what was that archive again? |
| 05:11.52 | nsadmin | try archive.debian.org |
| 05:11.57 | nsadmin | and get the stuff in a hurry... while sarge is still oldstable... it's going away after that |
| 05:13.21 | wd | nsadmin: ok. i'm there. sarge is still awesome huh? :) good for old equipment. Do you think i can just use a early 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:13.53 | nsadmin | or maybe a later one... or, can you upgrade your ram? |
| 05:14.05 | wd | with etch i mean. |
| 05:14.20 | nsadmin | that's what I mean too |
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| 05:15.25 | CentHOGG | hi anybody here wireless-g stream? |
| 05:15.47 | Supaplex | you wear a wireless g string? |
| 05:15.58 | CentHOGG | for the nominal wireless-g network, what is the average kbps? Not asking megabits, just kb/sec. TIA |
| 05:16.08 | nsadmin | a stringless g-wire? |
| 05:16.31 | CentHOGG | no wonder Debian sucks so much :) |
| 05:17.00 | nsadmin | devices are supported by the kernel... |
| 05:17.08 | Supaplex | apt-cache search just doesn't find CentHOGG's GAMP collection. well, unless you ask dpkg here about -l |
| 05:17.22 | Gigantic | No wonder Centos user doesn't know about it |
| 05:17.41 | CentHOGG | no we know how much Debian sucks |
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| 05:17.59 | Gigantic | and we know what a troll loks like |
| 05:18.15 | Gigantic | sits and wait for a kickban |
| 05:19.30 | Supaplex | ponders !tell centhogg about say you're jeallous because we know better. and wonders if it'll work. :-x |
| 05:19.56 | Gigantic | begs Supaplex no to feed the trolls |
| 05:20.31 | Pulpie | qx |
| 05:20.32 | nsadmin | dont pay the toll to the nasty big troll |
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| 05:20.50 | Gigantic | I vote to ban nsadmin |
| 05:20.57 | Gigantic | who's with me? |
| 05:21.08 | nsadmin | me!! me!! |
| 05:23.10 | hoxu | !penixstrike Gigantic |
| 05:23.10 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Gigantic to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:23.35 | Gigantic | o.O |
| 05:23.47 | nsadmin | that couldn't have cum at a better time! |
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| 05:24.32 | wd | nsadmin: i wanted to compile my stock etch kernel, it's not in /usr/src, it's in /boot..so if i download a kernel for kernel.org must i place it in /boot or can't i use /usr/src/linux? also if i get the debian kernels using apt-get / aptitude where do they place it? |
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| 05:25.18 | nsadmin | wd: you mean the source? |
| 05:25.26 | wd | nsadmin: yes. |
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| 05:25.36 | nsadmin | you can put the source anywhere |
| 05:26.10 | nsadmin | do you use make-kpkg to build the kernel? |
| 05:26.24 | Lifeform | Hi...A simple, but crucial question here: How do I find the location of a file at the server? find -name nameoffile ? Trying to find pleskrestore at the server.. |
| 05:26.51 | nsadmin | so there's a server... |
| 05:27.00 | nsadmin | and you want to find stuff on it |
| 05:27.06 | Lifeform | mhmm |
| 05:27.19 | Supaplex | !tell nsadmin -about kp |
| 05:27.26 | nsadmin | do you have shell access to it? |
| 05:27.31 | Lifeform | yep |
| 05:27.51 | nsadmin | then you would shell in and run the find command there |
| 05:28.01 | Lifeform | just need to do a restore of our PLESK control panel |
| 05:28.02 | Supaplex | Lifeform: find path/ -name \*CASEisIMPORTANTjustFYI\*.txt |
| 05:28.02 | nsadmin | ssh in, or whatever... |
| 05:28.06 | wd | nsadmin: never built one on deb yet.. gentoo only, very easy... i see more steps with debian tho. but i read about the make-kpkg.. i was just going to do the old fashion way.. make && make modules in stall, edit grub reboot. |
| 05:28.12 | unop | Lifeform, find / -iname "*pattern*" |
| 05:28.47 | Supaplex | or locate, if updatedb is recently updated. |
| 05:28.58 | nsadmin | wd: yeah, look into it... it scripts what you're already doing and then building a package of it |
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| 05:29.26 | keith_ | kernel source is packaged for all debian kernels |
| 05:29.31 | Lifeform | maybe this file isn´t installed at this stage... brand new server |
| 05:29.37 | keith_ | install it with apt, and it will go in /usr/src |
| 05:30.10 | wd | keith_: me? |
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| 05:30.22 | keith_ | Lifeform: if it's been around for more than 24 hours, it will show up with 'locate' |
| 05:31.06 | Lifeform | ok :) i have no clue here... waiting on a reply from my webhosting company on this one |
| 05:31.35 | Lifeform | don´t seem to find anything with either find / -name |
| 05:31.37 | Lifeform | -either |
| 05:31.59 | keith_ | that'll teach you to use plesk, instead of learning how to do it yourself ;-) |
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| 05:32.13 | wd | nsadmin: meaning it will make a package and manage it as well as put entry i grub for me? |
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| 05:32.52 | nsadmin | wd: yes, but a kernel's presence in /boot would be picked up next time update-grub is run |
| 05:33.12 | nsadmin | even if it were not built by make-kpkg |
| 05:33.25 | Lifeform | :) |
| 05:33.30 | wd | nsadmin: oh ok. |
| 05:33.40 | Lifeform | we´ll see.. |
| 05:33.45 | Supaplex | provided /boot is mounted when update-grup runs :) |
| 05:33.51 | Supaplex | er update-grub |
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| 05:34.18 | nsadmin | wd: also, if you use make-kpkg, consider feeding it --initrd |
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| 05:34.47 | nsadmin | if you do that, it will produce some extra intelligence in the resulting package |
| 05:35.25 | nsadmin | so that if you install that package it will try to figure out how to mount / |
| 05:35.44 | nsadmin | and include any modules needed to make that happen in the initrd image |
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| 05:38.36 | Supaplex | it even has PFM! |
| 05:39.27 | nsadmin | pyro-flammable matches? |
| 05:40.39 | wd | nsadmin: ok. all this automation i'm getting spoiled ... :) |
| 05:40.53 | Supaplex | dpkg: pfm |
| 05:40.53 | dpkg | from memory, pfm is Pure Fucking Magic |
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| 05:41.29 | nsadmin | one cool thing about it, is you can organize your kernel installs |
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| 05:41.52 | wd | nsadmin: oh cool. |
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| 05:43.03 | nsadmin | if you leave the modules in the config, you could potentially install the kernel on other machines, and the act of installing the package will have it figure out how -it- mounts / |
| 05:43.40 | nsadmin | you can obviously put the kernel image debs in dirs named any way you want for organization |
| 05:45.00 | nsadmin | one of the things you couldn't do using the generic approach, is easy, clean and complete removals |
| 05:45.39 | wd | nsadmin: oh. ok. |
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| 06:06.17 | Gigantic | BE E E EE E EEP!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:06.41 | Gigantic | is the most annoying "feature" invented in computers |
| 06:07.09 | Gigantic | can I disable it from the OS? |
| 06:07.24 | Guerin | !bell |
| 06:07.24 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 06:07.36 | Gigantic | #electronics is too busy talking about Canadian girls since the last two hours... |
| 06:07.42 | Guerin | yes, beep is the hated enemy |
| 06:07.50 | Guerin | i snipped my cable |
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| 06:08.40 | Gigantic | mine likes to output trough the sound card tho |
| 06:08.47 | Guerin | fail |
| 06:08.51 | Gigantic | imagine when I am playing music |
| 06:08.56 | Gigantic | indeed! |
| 06:09.33 | wd | if i install lilo will it take off grub? |
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| 06:09.42 | Gigantic | no |
| 06:09.55 | wd | Gigantic: no? |
| 06:09.58 | Gigantic | but it would replace the mbr code |
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| 06:10.58 | Tekno | lilo |
| 06:11.00 | Tekno | :| |
| 06:11.02 | Gigantic | installing lilo in itself cause no harm, but once you setup the mbr with lilo, the grub's code would be replaced |
| 06:11.10 | wd | Gigantic: so should i rm grub then get lilo? |
| 06:11.12 | Gigantic | Tekno: :| |
| 06:11.30 | Gigantic | wd: why would anyone replace grub for lilo? |
| 06:11.47 | Tekno | isn't lilo a little bit ancient |
| 06:11.48 | wd | Gigantic: it's so easy. no hd0,0 and all that. |
| 06:11.50 | Gigantic | I don't want to know... |
| 06:12.18 | wd | oh nvm... :) i'll keep grub. |
| 06:12.45 | Gigantic | wd: you don't need to remove it... but if you -really- know what you are doing... |
| 06:12.46 | wd | it's just i installed it with other distros and it was very simple the config file i mean. |
| 06:13.11 | Gigantic | grub config isn't rocket science tho |
| 06:13.26 | wd | Gigantic: yeah you're correct. |
| 06:13.42 | Gigantic | or maybe it is.... would the apollo system boot with grub? who knows |
| 06:13.52 | wd | 4 or 5 lines and i'm done. |
| 06:14.05 | wd | simple lines. :) |
| 06:14.16 | Gigantic | :) |
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| 06:17.35 | wd | when installing sarge (because of my very old laptop) the us or any country mirrors for the netinstall doesn't work.. do i put in one of these manually? http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 06:22.05 | dustybin | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090106-debian-5-release-approaches-binary-blobs-included.html |
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| 06:23.13 | wd | dustybin: k |
| 06:23.42 | liable | wd: because sarge is oldstable now, you have to edit your config accordingly |
| 06:24.35 | liable | not sure if you need to do it in /etc/apt or /target/etc/apt .. i am guessing the formor as iirc it copies the list to /target later |
| 06:24.43 | dustybin | yuk debian will ship with binary only firmware |
| 06:24.51 | liable | !old stable |
| 06:24.57 | liable | !oldstable |
| 06:24.57 | dpkg | from memory, oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is supported. Previously Sarge (3.1). Ask me about <oldstable security>. |
| 06:25.06 | liable | meh |
| 06:25.07 | wd | dustybin: the laptop i'm playig with had sarge on it and ran ok. etch won't even boot up. toshiba 400cs. 40meg ram 2g hd pentium. |
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| 06:25.36 | liable | dustybin: it always has, dunno why you think its so bad now.. |
| 06:25.40 | dustybin | if debian lenny is released with binary only firmware im going to install vista instead |
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| 06:25.59 | dustybin | shudders |
| 06:26.05 | liable | oh, thats sensible.. |
| 06:26.54 | wd | liable: well during the netinstall with the sarge boot floppies i get to the mirrors and none.. us / other countries work.. but there is a entry to manually input the mirrors for netinstall. |
| 06:27.21 | wd | liable: must use floppy because cdrom is frozen. |
| 06:27.48 | liable | wd: yes, so you need to put the oldstable mirrors in there |
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| 06:28.02 | turneralex | Hey |
| 06:28.03 | wd | liable: yes... i'm looking for them. |
| 06:28.12 | Guerin | dustybin: I think the GR result is a bad call, but not as bad as your call. |
| 06:28.18 | liable | !dan |
| 06:28.19 | dpkg | goes HAHAHAHAALALALLAGAGAGAGA. MILK MAN DAN, or don't type !dan again |
| 06:28.19 | turneralex | Do you guys know an app that will let me run a speedtest within my LAN? |
| 06:28.23 | liable | blah |
| 06:28.26 | liable | !archive |
| 06:28.27 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 06:28.32 | liable | wd: ^^ |
| 06:29.30 | wd | liable: i'll write that down.. i'm here and see this half way down page.. are those what i need also? http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 06:30.23 | dustybin | Guerin: i dont think richard stallman would be impressed with binary only firmware |
| 06:30.58 | liable | wd: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 06:31.04 | Guerin | dustybin: i know he wouldn't. But would he be more happy with the idea of switching to a fully-proprietary TCPA OS? |
| 06:31.31 | liable | wd: i guess 'deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/sarge main contrib .. |
| 06:31.56 | liable | erm |
| 06:32.01 | wd | ok |
| 06:32.10 | liable | wd: i guess 'deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian sarge main contrib' |
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| 06:37.45 | wd | liable: ok. the last one right? :) |
| 06:38.20 | liable | yup, should be the ticket |
| 06:38.50 | voraistos | Hi, I want to boot a remote machine which seems to crash on reiserfs tests |
| 06:39.02 | voraistos | I have access to the fs |
| 06:39.25 | voraistos | I suspect there is some sort of file i should modify to prevent any testing |
| 06:39.44 | voraistos | a mount option maybe? |
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| 06:41.04 | nsadmin | voraistos: hmm, what kind of access do you have (and hold that thought, brb) |
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| 06:42.14 | voraistos | nsadmin I have ssh access to a system that can mount the broken machine's fs |
| 06:42.49 | voraistos | so basically i can rw anything that used to be on / |
| 06:43.09 | Supaplex | !ricerfs |
| 06:43.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
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| 06:44.26 | voraistos | hahahaha |
| 06:44.34 | voraistos | cries |
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| 06:47.31 | voraistos | !ext3 vs reiserfs |
| 06:47.32 | dpkg | i heard ext3 vs reiserfs is http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/ext3_vs_reiserfs-1.php |
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| 06:48.34 | nsadmin | Linus dislikes ext2 and 3, I think he said something about the size of an inode structure |
| 06:49.55 | debianour | when a device is reported 'busy', how to find out what proc is using it? |
| 06:50.25 | nsadmin | look into lsof and fuser |
| 06:50.32 | debianour | k |
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| 06:54.03 | voraistos | nsadmin, any ideas then? the rescue system is a debian sarge btw |
| 06:54.44 | linux_stu | how can i tell whether i have dri enabled? |
| 06:55.16 | voraistos | glxinfo should say |
| 06:55.25 | nsadmin | voraistos did you say you want to reboot it? |
| 06:55.31 | voraistos | yes |
| 06:55.41 | voraistos | I want the original system to boot |
| 06:55.57 | voraistos | even if the FS is damaged |
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| 06:56.03 | linux_stu | voraistos, for some reason i don't have that command |
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| 06:56.15 | nsadmin | original system? what system boots instead? |
| 06:56.15 | simplechat | hey |
| 06:56.40 | simplechat | i'm installing debian onto my eeepc, all was fine but now its stuck retriving file 816 of 816 |
| 06:56.45 | simplechat | its been at it for 3/4 of an hour |
| 06:56.53 | simplechat | hdd light isn't on |
| 06:56.56 | simplechat | no network activity |
| 06:56.57 | voraistos | nsadmin: the original system is a debian etch and is located on that possibly broken FS, the rescue system is the sarge |
| 06:57.11 | simplechat | its on an eepc installing without swap (it has 512 meg of ram, that should be enough?) |
| 06:57.18 | simplechat | should i just wait for it? or should i restart it? |
| 06:57.19 | nsadmin | ohh, so you want it to boot the etch not the sarge |
| 06:57.34 | nsadmin | you say this is a remote server? |
| 06:57.43 | voraistos | linux_stu it should be in mesa-utils or something |
| 06:57.58 | voraistos | nsadmin yes |
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| 06:58.27 | nsadmin | and this is a virtual server on which you have root access? |
| 06:58.32 | voraistos | yes |
| 06:58.54 | nsadmin | is there anything like a serial console that's forwarded to a separate ssh port? |
| 06:59.15 | voraistos | errr |
| 06:59.17 | linux_stu | voraistos, that did it. thanks |
| 06:59.19 | voraistos | dunno :P |
| 06:59.28 | voraistos | great linux_stu |
| 06:59.44 | nsadmin | how will you choose which system boots when you issue reboot command? |
| 07:00.03 | voraistos | oh the VS is netbooted |
| 07:00.08 | nsadmin | how did you communicate your choice to boot the rescue system? |
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| 07:00.22 | voraistos | it's another machine that does it :) |
| 07:00.28 | nsadmin | and you have control over that net boot? |
| 07:00.46 | simplechat | ?? |
| 07:00.57 | nsadmin | another machine, on which you have enough access to control the booting of the server? |
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| 07:01.07 | voraistos | very little, but i can choose whether i boot from the hd, normal netboot kernels or the VM |
| 07:02.38 | voraistos | I tried booting my system in a VM (with some ort of VNC thing), but it failed |
| 07:02.41 | wd | liable: help. i'm installing sarge again, at the part where i put the mirrors manually, for "debian archive mirror" i put "archive.debian.org" and for "debian archive directory" i put "/debian-archive" and i choose "http" and i get failed still. |
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| 07:03.11 | voraistos | I don't really know why it 'dropped the connection' |
| 07:03.42 | \amethyst | wd: try /debian-archive/debian as the directory |
| 07:03.52 | nsadmin | voraistos: if your server uses grub, do you see its menu ever? |
| 07:04.03 | liable | wd: dont forget you need to tell it that its sarge you want to get. have a look at what it has written in sources.list and adjust the line |
| 07:04.03 | voraistos | it doesn't use grub |
| 07:04.11 | voraistos | god knows why it shipped with lilo |
| 07:04.31 | voraistos | but yes I see Lilo |
| 07:04.34 | liable | wd: because you are installing oldstable, expect to have to edit that file manually |
| 07:05.01 | voraistos | it boots the kernel and all. then I see it tries to test reiser, and then says the server crashed or somewhat disconnected |
| 07:05.05 | nsadmin | so you see when it boots, says LILO and then loads? if so, you do have some sort of virtual console |
| 07:05.29 | voraistos | hmm yes |
| 07:05.56 | voraistos | if that's a virtual console. I just call it the VNC thing :D |
| 07:06.02 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 07:06.24 | nsadmin | booting is risky enough on a remote without there being problems... |
| 07:06.24 | wd | liable: no sources list yet.. i'm doing netinstall floppies, don't have base yet so no sources yet. |
| 07:06.36 | liable | wd: i just added the line i gave you before to my sources.list, and it works ok here |
| 07:06.43 | wd | \amethyst: ok |
| 07:06.50 | liable | wd: look in /etc/apt |
| 07:07.04 | liable | wd: you *will* have a sources.list |
| 07:07.21 | voraistos | netinstall floppies. Didn't know these still existed. Nowadays floppies and their drives are expensive and crap too. |
| 07:07.35 | wd | liable: i will. ok. checking.. i didn't think base was on yet because i didn't connect to mirrors to install anything yet. |
| 07:07.44 | nsadmin | what kind of filesystem is the one(s) said to be damaged? |
| 07:07.50 | nsadmin | and which filesystem? |
| 07:08.17 | voraistos | it's / and reiserfs |
| 07:08.29 | liable | wd: it is in /etc/apt now, it will be copied to /target/etc/apt at a later stage |
| 07:08.29 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 07:08.32 | voraistos | mysql DBs are in there :( |
| 07:08.52 | nsadmin | can you back it up with the intent to restore it to a fresh partition? |
| 07:09.02 | nsadmin | how much stuff is on /? |
| 07:09.26 | voraistos | I want mysql to run, so I can make some dumps, then the drive may go burn in hell. |
| 07:09.32 | \amethyst | voraistos: did you say you were able to boot another filesystem on the same machine? |
| 07:09.45 | nsadmin | can you just tar up the data files? |
| 07:09.55 | nsadmin | can you do that with mysql? |
| 07:09.56 | voraistos | yes. as far as i can tell, NIC, ram and cpu are fine |
| 07:10.10 | \amethyst | voraistos: can you mount the partition when you do so? |
| 07:10.15 | voraistos | nsadmin: I can, but It's a pain in the neck it seems |
| 07:10.42 | voraistos | I paid a visit to #mysql before to come here you see :) |
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| 07:10.52 | nsadmin | is mysql's data on /? |
| 07:10.57 | voraistos | yes |
| 07:11.22 | voraistos | there was only one partition and the useless swap, thats all |
| 07:11.34 | nsadmin | is the partition mounted now? |
| 07:11.37 | voraistos | mysql data is in var/lib/mysql |
| 07:11.44 | voraistos | yes it is. i think |
| 07:12.06 | nsadmin | could you check (mount w/o params should tell you) |
| 07:12.27 | voraistos | it is mounted rw |
| 07:12.34 | voraistos | thats odd actually |
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| 07:12.43 | voraistos | I used mount with no options |
| 07:12.44 | nsadmin | ok, so it's on / now? or somewhere else? |
| 07:12.53 | wd | liable: ok. i put in boot/root/cd/net..got to the net hardware detection stage, found pcmcia, editing manually the mirrors that's it. i f2'd, got /etc...there's no apt.. i think i'm using floppy image right.. now should i forget the mirrors stage and exit because i think there is no base yet. |
| 07:12.58 | voraistos | it's on /mnt/hdd |
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| 07:13.15 | wd | liable: i didn't download anything yet, i'm still in floppy image. |
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| 07:13.20 | nsadmin | so the data would be in /mnt/hdd/var/lib/mysql? |
| 07:13.26 | voraistos | yep |
| 07:13.40 | \amethyst | voraistos: you might try chroot /mnt/hdd /bin/bash then you'll be chrooted into the filesystem |
| 07:13.41 | nsadmin | ok, do this... |
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| 07:14.04 | nsadmin | cd /mnt/hdd/var/lib |
| 07:14.18 | prxtien | ive got a ipsec tunnel between a debian and vista box, after 100mb the tunnel dies without fail.. i have checked all the windows based settings and there is nothing that would force it to renegociate key after a ceratin amount of traffic |
| 07:14.28 | prxtien | is there anything that racoon might be doing? |
| 07:14.46 | voraistos | wait up I think amethyst had a pretty good idea |
| 07:14.54 | nsadmin | tar cfpl ~/mysql-data-backup.tar . |
| 07:15.02 | \amethyst | voraistos: then you can mount /proc and /sys (and anything else necessary), launch the mysql daemon and run the dump |
| 07:15.26 | liable | wd: sec, lemme check something |
| 07:15.33 | wd | liable: ok |
| 07:15.46 | voraistos | yeah but i told you that was a bad idea nsadmin. I have some innoDBs and they're a pain to restore when doing things this way |
| 07:15.49 | nsadmin | you might want to back up the files into a tarball before trying anything more complex |
| 07:15.53 | Supaplex | prxtien: which side is causing the failure? do you see esp traffic to? or from the debian box? |
| 07:15.59 | \amethyst | voraistos: go ahead and do what nsadmin suggests first |
| 07:15.59 | voraistos | fair enough |
| 07:16.06 | voraistos | yeah :D |
| 07:16.13 | wd | \amethyst: oh i did put /debian-archive/debian as dir...still nada. |
| 07:16.13 | \amethyst | voraistos: just in case launching the server decides to trash your dbs :) |
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| 07:16.28 | voraistos | maybe they're already trashed anyway :P |
| 07:16.32 | \amethyst | wd: hm, dunno then. editing sources.list by hand might be your best bet |
| 07:16.34 | nsadmin | then you'll have a copy of the files, and you'll have at least a chance of trying repeatedly |
| 07:16.43 | prxtien | Supaplex, well its really hard to tell, im fairly certain its the debian side... i see traffic both ways |
| 07:16.48 | voraistos | I should go to the dark side and format like a proud microsoft user |
| 07:17.03 | wd | \amethyst: yeah but like i told liable i don't have a sources list yet... still trying to install base. |
| 07:17.15 | Supaplex | !start a dbms war |
| 07:17.15 | dpkg | mysql is the most expensive dbms ever! |
| 07:17.15 | \amethyst | wd: you can create one by hand |
| 07:17.20 | Guerin | voraistos: the preferred nomenclature is `microsoftie' or just `tard' |
| 07:17.24 | \amethyst | wd: he gave you the line you need |
| 07:17.27 | Guerin | voraistos: just FYI :) |
| 07:17.52 | voraistos | hahahaha |
| 07:17.53 | \amethyst | wd: (alt-f2 to get to another vt to run commands) |
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| 07:18.22 | wd | \amethyst: even if base isn't installed yet? hmm. ok. |
| 07:18.26 | nsadmin | always wanted a tar daemon... |
| 07:18.51 | \amethyst | wd: it's not installed yet, but there is a tiny base system on the CD. |
| 07:19.03 | wd | \amethyst: using floppies |
| 07:19.07 | voraistos | ok. I'm not an expert at tar, but wouldn't I need a R (for recursive) option somewhere ? |
| 07:19.15 | wd | \amethyst: cdrom failed |
| 07:19.58 | \amethyst | wd: it should be the same with floppies (it's all really in a ramfs anyway), but I could be wrong. haven't done floppies since I installed slackware 13 years ago :) |
| 07:20.12 | voraistos | fuck |
| 07:20.26 | voraistos | i get read errors on the db's files while tarring |
| 07:20.28 | \amethyst | voraistos: tar is recursive by default |
| 07:20.40 | nsadmin | voraistos: after you do that, try to prepare to do the mysql dump as \amethyst said |
| 07:20.46 | \amethyst | ouch |
| 07:20.53 | wd | \amethyst: using floppies to install.. put in boot/root/cd/net.. got network detected..entering mirrors manaully because none of the mirrors that come with sarge are working, but when i put in the info manually still nada. |
| 07:21.03 | nsadmin | hopefully you won['t need to restore the files from the tar |
| 07:21.12 | wd | \amethyst: i have no base yet. |
| 07:21.34 | nsadmin | but backing them up first will give you the opportunity to retry as much as you want |
| 07:21.52 | wd | \amethyst: liable's up to something i think... :) |
| 07:22.05 | nsadmin | you can even hedge your bet more, by transfering the tarball to another machine |
| 07:22.07 | wd | i hope he is. |
| 07:22.35 | \amethyst | wd: does alt-f2 give you a vt with floppies? if so you can at least echo "deb blah blah" > /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:23.01 | \amethyst | this is the *installer's* sources.list at this point; as liable (I think) said, it will be copied to the target system later |
| 07:23.02 | wd | \amethyst: yes i get f2..looks like a busybox.. i was able to see my ifconfig /iwconfig |
| 07:23.03 | liable | wd: try creating the file, chose-mirror is actually a c program that it not easy to circumvent its checks for mirrors. |
| 07:23.09 | voraistos | hasn't finished the tarball, i get a few 'Cannot stat: Permission denied' errors |
| 07:23.28 | nsadmin | hmm. you're not root? |
| 07:23.34 | liable | wd: create the sources.list in /etc/apt and skip chose-mirror and try continuing |
| 07:23.46 | wd | liable: k |
| 07:23.51 | wd | \amethyst: ty also. |
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| 07:24.27 | liable | wd: not sure how to make debconf think that choose-mirror ran successfully, but see if that works for now |
| 07:24.42 | wd | liable: k |
| 07:25.07 | voraistos | I am root, and now tar's exited and I have to tarball :( |
| 07:25.16 | voraistos | NO tarball* |
| 07:25.32 | nsadmin | look in ~ |
| 07:25.51 | \amethyst | voraistos: what was the exact tar command you used? |
| 07:26.00 | voraistos | the one he gave |
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| 07:26.21 | nsadmin | tar cfpl ~/mysql-data-backup.tar . |
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| 07:26.27 | nsadmin | after doing... |
| 07:26.28 | voraistos | yes |
| 07:26.33 | nsadmin | cd /mnt/hdd/var/lib |
| 07:26.37 | voraistos | after going in the right dir |
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| 07:26.53 | nsadmin | oh, oops, that would have gotten all of /var/lib |
| 07:27.00 | voraistos | yeah |
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| 07:27.04 | voraistos | i'm in mysql |
| 07:27.11 | nsadmin | ok, that will work... |
| 07:27.26 | nsadmin | but when you restore you have to be just inside mysql |
| 07:27.42 | voraistos | that's how I usually do it |
| 07:27.42 | \amethyst | but these aren't likely to be much good for a restore |
| 07:27.44 | nsadmin | there's no tarball in ~? |
| 07:27.52 | voraistos | there is actually |
| 07:27.57 | \amethyst | since there were errors reading the files |
| 07:28.13 | nsadmin | ok, it's strange there were stat errors |
| 07:28.32 | \amethyst | not if the filesystem is corrupt :) |
| 07:28.36 | wd | liable: argh. "/bin/sh: cannot create /etc/apt/sources.list: Directoryh nonexistent" |
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| 07:29.16 | wd | liable: did alt-f2 and tried. |
| 07:29.35 | voraistos | what's the default mysql user in debian? |
| 07:29.46 | voraistos | mysql? www-data or something? |
| 07:29.50 | wd | liable: hold on.. i didn't create it i did the echo command.. let me mkdir first and see. |
| 07:30.06 | \amethyst | voraistos: mysql |
| 07:31.03 | wd | liable: yay.. created apt/sources.list now exiting choosing mirrors |
| 07:31.18 | voraistos | it feels very much like my server just crashed |
| 07:31.32 | wd | liable: try Download installer componets? |
| 07:31.39 | voraistos | this is very annoying |
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| 07:32.57 | voraistos | Hans Reiser should break out of prison so he can fix his mess really. |
| 07:33.18 | Supaplex | it'd be a community service |
| 07:33.20 | kaeles | is there a problem with the realtek 8169 under debian ? |
| 07:33.38 | Supaplex | kaeles: gigabit? |
| 07:33.43 | kaeles | It only seems to work sporadically, yea gigabit |
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| 07:34.08 | Supaplex | I've heard others complain about realtek gigabit. seems like a dirt cheap card. |
| 07:34.16 | kaeles | its onboard :| |
| 07:34.20 | voraistos | realtek chips tend to be poor quality |
| 07:34.55 | kaeles | anyway, it never worked, but then I put another card in it, and the new card worked, then i ifconfig eth1 down, and the gigabit started working |
| 07:34.59 | kaeles | freaking weird |
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| 07:36.17 | voraistos | hey do you know why i got these errors when tarring up ? |
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| 07:36.56 | ferret_0567 | When I do "xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults", nothing gets loaded into the X resource database. I am using LXDE |
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| 07:37.04 | wd | liable: having dhcp protocol issues now.. alt-f2 ifconfig and iwconfig show's ip wep everything.. but installer can't find network.. argh. |
| 07:37.11 | voraistos | the FS is so broke that they are not accessible, by root, kernel, or god |
| 07:38.04 | voraistos | provided that god is a user and somewhat has more rights than root of course |
| 07:38.46 | liable | wd: try manual ip |
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| 07:39.14 | ferret_0567 | also, I cannot use the backspace key in most VTE terminals (it's a strong possibilty that I can't use the backspace key in any of them). |
| 07:39.45 | wd | liable: strange i go to alt-f2 and ifconfig shows ip and up running all that.. iwconfig shows wep / essid .. but go to alt-f1 to conifig network and i cant find any. |
| 07:39.57 | liable | wd: erm, you said ifconfig shows an ip? |
| 07:40.15 | wd | yes |
| 07:40.25 | liable | wd: seeing as the installer doesnt have ping, try wget http://www.google.com |
| 07:40.36 | liable | should download the index page |
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| 07:41.11 | wd | liable: waiting for wget. |
| 07:41.24 | wd | liable: host name lookup failure |
| 07:41.33 | kaeles | hmm I think my board may be bad anyway |
| 07:41.42 | liable | look in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:41.48 | kaeles | the northbridge is veryvery warm to the touch |
| 07:41.54 | kaeles | whines. |
| 07:41.57 | liable | kaeles: thats not unusual |
| 07:42.23 | voraistos | good news everyone! |
| 07:42.30 | kaeles | yea, I just got it today though :| oh well, thats what I get I guess, tried to go with an all amd setup |
| 07:42.45 | kaeles | maybe I'll just stick with via or nvidia |
| 07:42.56 | wd | liable: "nameserver 192.168.2.1" |
| 07:43.02 | wd | liable: that's it |
| 07:43.09 | voraistos | the broken db files in fact belong to the software that runs the old archived version of the site! |
| 07:43.12 | liable | kaeles: why do you think the northbridge shouldnt be warm? thats why they have heatsinks.. |
| 07:43.25 | liable | wd: cant you plug a cable in? |
| 07:43.40 | kaeles | well, warm enough to where I can't hold my hand on it without it being painful |
| 07:43.58 | wd | liable: old laptop. |
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| 07:43.59 | prxtien | kaeles what chipset are you running |
| 07:44.11 | kaeles | amd 750 |
| 07:44.18 | liable | wd: does iwconfig show the ap mac, and a signal strength? |
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| 07:44.25 | wd | liable: yhes |
| 07:44.29 | wd | yes |
| 07:44.31 | prxtien | well its a mid chipset, its not unusual for the heatsink to be that hot though |
| 07:44.45 | liable | wd: try dhclient again in vt2 |
| 07:44.47 | kaeles | hmm |
| 07:44.54 | prxtien | hopefully its getting some of the airflow from your cpu |
| 07:45.07 | prxtien | and it shouldnt go much past 50-60~ degrees celcius in bios |
| 07:45.15 | liable | wd: if dhclient failed, you shouldnt have had a resolv.conf with the nameserver |
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| 07:45.54 | wd | liable: keeps dhcpdiscover |
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| 07:46.18 | liable | wd: is 'route' cammand available? |
| 07:46.41 | liable | command* |
| 07:46.58 | liable | wd: the laptop has no ethernet? |
| 07:47.15 | wd | liable: route finished shows info |
| 07:47.34 | liable | shows a UG line for your ap? |
| 07:47.38 | wd | liable: laptop has no ethernet.. very old. toshiba 400cs |
| 07:47.49 | wd | liable: yes |
| 07:48.18 | liable | wd: d-i doesnt have ping now, just check and see if you have it for that one. |
| 07:48.28 | liable | d-i doesnt use ifconfig now either.. |
| 07:48.46 | wd | liable: ifconfig is here. |
| 07:48.57 | liable | do you have ping? |
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| 07:49.19 | liable | i know you have ifconfig, what i am saying is that has a different toolset to what i know it has now |
| 07:49.30 | wd | liable: i think when you told me to put in an ip i did and it defaulted to a name server so i chose that.. maybe i screwed myself and should have left it alone. |
| 07:49.44 | liable | ah right |
| 07:49.52 | wd | liable: but before i put ip in manually.. it found one on it's own. |
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| 07:50.09 | liable | no, i dont think you are actually properly associated to your ap |
| 07:50.25 | liable | double check your wep key |
| 07:50.26 | wd | liable: should i erase resolv.conf? and try to dhclient again? |
| 07:50.30 | wd | k |
| 07:51.05 | liable | even a wrong wep key will show in iwconfig output, and even as associated, though you cant talk with the ap |
| 07:51.20 | wd | liable: oh. wep ok tho. |
| 07:51.49 | wd | liable: with a wrong wep i will still get link/sig/noise? because i have those |
| 07:51.51 | liable | wd: can you open the ap security temporarily? |
| 07:52.06 | wd | liable: yes i will |
| 07:52.13 | liable | wd: yes, it can still show those params, making it look like everything is fine |
| 07:53.15 | liable | wd: you will need to reconfigure the card after you do that |
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| 08:00.29 | ferret_0567 | does anybody know of a GTK theme that matches the Peptide Openbox theme? |
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| 08:00.51 | Supaplex | openbox has ... themes? |
| 08:01.27 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex, yes, install obconf and launch it |
| 08:02.21 | Supaplex | but it's not as big as kde. </taunt> Installed-Size: 208 |
| 08:02.24 | Supaplex | hehehe :) |
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| 08:03.58 | ferret_0567 | Supaplex, who cares? not me |
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| 08:05.46 | Supaplex | it's a joke. |
| 08:06.37 | Supaplex | anyway, obconf throws error while loading shared libraries: libobrender.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - http://rafb.net/p/BG6Bow81.html apparently the backport doesn't include the same library. humm i'll dink with it later. |
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| 08:17.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:17.53 | dpkg | well, qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
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| 08:26.51 | wd | liable: ok. had to reboot, network found in installer now. i took out wep and made a new essid. manually putting in mirror name now. |
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| 08:27.28 | liable | okie |
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| 08:31.49 | alcohol | mornin' all |
| 08:32.16 | vaq | How do I list what files a .deb package contains? |
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| 08:34.17 | sep | dpkg -L packagename if it is installed apt-file if you have not installed it |
| 08:34.17 | dpkg | ii packagename if it is installed apt-file if you have not installed it 2.8-13 sep's private stamp collection |
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| 08:34.30 | vaq | thanks sep |
| 08:34.34 | sep | dpkg thanks :P |
| 08:34.34 | dpkg | no problem, sep |
| 08:34.51 | wd | liable: so close.. manually put archive.debian.org and /debian-archive/debian as dir.. took me to download installer components.. i c "oldstable" "stable" "testing" "unstable" but when i choose oldstable or even stable.. installer fail. |
| 08:34.55 | wd | :( |
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| 08:35.38 | wd | liable: wondering if i should do the apt/sources.list now.. but if i skip download of installer i won't even have base. |
| 08:36.33 | liable | wd: hmm, try a normal mirror and oldstable |
| 08:36.42 | debeee | hi, how can i determind how many cores does processor have? |
| 08:36.46 | liable | wd: otherwise, make sources.list manually |
| 08:36.59 | wd | liable: normal as in the mirrors for us that come with sarge? because they all don't work. |
| 08:37.05 | wd | k |
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| 08:40.16 | debeee | btw, does the /etc/apt/preferences file exist in the default install? |
| 08:40.24 | liable | nope |
| 08:40.51 | debeee | so, i need create on manually? |
| 08:41.05 | liable | thats what is implied, yes :P |
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| 08:46.13 | macsim`work | hi, anybody got a tips to test bonding bandwidth ? ethtool doesn't works on it thanks |
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| 08:46.17 | wd | liable: ok. stopped choosing mirror. created sources.list. how do i install components using sources.list? |
| 08:46.40 | meng_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.46 | liable | wd: is install components a main menu item? |
| 08:47.13 | wd | liable: yes. it says "Download installer components" |
| 08:47.21 | liable | wd: so try that |
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| 08:58.57 | meng_ | if i need to install or degrade to an older package, i need to setup an apt preferences for the package? |
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| 09:00.02 | wd | liable: did ok... :) but failed. lol. got up to 98% and the damn thing failed at detecting hardware so i'm starting it all over. |
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| 09:00.29 | liable | wd: *groan* at least some progress though.. |
| 09:01.18 | wd | liable: yes indeed.. it was nice seeing it even go through with the sources.list. lol. |
| 09:01.47 | liable | wd: it failed to detect your disks? |
| 09:02.02 | liable | wd: do you have the floppy for that? |
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| 09:02.35 | wd | liable: yes. it said that kernel modules weren't loaded but i did alt-f2 and lsmod and i see them all..so i went ahead with the nstall. |
| 09:02.59 | wd | liable: yes i installed all 4.. boot/root/cd/net |
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| 09:03.37 | liable | wd: ok, i have done one floppy install years ago, i dont think i'll be much help for that bit :) |
| 09:03.38 | wd | liable: started over..detecting hardware with the cd diskette.. |
| 09:03.46 | wd | liable: ok. |
| 09:03.54 | wd | doing net floppy now.. |
| 09:05.01 | wd | liable: it goes through this part with ease.. no pb.. it tried to detect a second time while doing the install part. |
| 09:05.14 | wd | liable: oh is there a vi or editor? |
| 09:05.50 | liable | wd: should have nano (its available on modern d-i cd's not sure about sarge floppies) |
| 09:06.08 | wd | liable: if not i can just echo again... |
| 09:06.08 | wd | ok |
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| 09:07.31 | karsten | liable: y'all considered a chroot install? |
| 09:07.50 | liable | karsten: ask wd ^^ |
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| 09:08.01 | karsten | liable: I didn't want to confuse him ;-) |
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| 09:08.28 | liable | karsten: i don't know whats on the box atm. it doesnt have cd or ethernet |
| 09:08.33 | karsten | liable: I just hopped on, saw the last 30 or so lines. Sounds like install's failing. |
| 09:08.39 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 09:08.43 | liable | it only has a punchcard :) |
| 09:08.51 | karsten | liable: Rube-goldberg install |
| 09:08.57 | liable | of course ;) |
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| 09:09.32 | karsten | liable: Well, I *have* done installs by zmodem transfer of uuencoded DEBs over serial console. |
| 09:09.34 | wd | liable: making sources.list again |
| 09:10.00 | karsten | liable: There's a select list of my worst enemies I recommend that to.... |
| 09:10.10 | liable | karsten: ah the good old days eh? ;) |
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| 09:10.32 | liable | throw a couple of commas into that last staement :) |
| 09:10.34 | RichiH | i need to long-term log the traffic each IP in a NAT creates |
| 09:10.34 | karsten | liable: 486 thinkpad, no pcmcia support until after you were through with installation. |
| 09:10.59 | RichiH | preferably with basic means, so if iptables could count that or something.. |
| 09:11.39 | liable | karsten: you are probably a good person to help wd then. we are just getting past sources.list pointing to oldstable from the sarge floppies |
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| 09:13.01 | karsten | liable: I'm going to sleep RSN. |
| 09:13.11 | liable | karsten: tease! |
| 09:13.20 | karsten | liable: Should'vehappened a couple of hours ago. |
| 09:13.24 | karsten | liable: Yep, that's me. |
| 09:13.28 | liable | next you'll tell me your wearing a tight lacy teddy! |
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| 09:13.50 | liable | ugh, scrap that, i have seen your photo.. |
| 09:13.52 | karsten | liable: Flannel PJs and a t-shirt. |
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| 09:14.00 | karsten | liable: Heh. |
| 09:15.30 | karsten | wd: What liable and I have been talking about is whether or not a chroot install might help you. It's documented in the Debian Install Guide, and I'm the guy who did the first version of the docs. But I can't stick around. You're welcome to look them over though. |
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| 09:16.13 | liable | karsten: he needs something to chroot from first though, which is the unknown atm. |
| 09:16.20 | wd | karsten: ok |
| 09:16.55 | wd | liable: i have a etch laptop fully functional. |
| 09:16.57 | karsten | liable: Yeah. Anything that can boot -- USB stick, minimal image, netboot. The nice thing about chroot is that once you're up, you're gold. It can take a while though. |
| 09:17.36 | wd | karsten: it's just etch won't boot on this laptop.. toshiba 400cs 40meg ram/2g hd/pentium classic. |
| 09:17.50 | wd | karsten: but i have p4 laptop with etch on it stable. |
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| 09:18.04 | karsten | wd: The fundamental problem of a chroot install is twofold: 1) booting something, anything, that can be used for the chroot, and 2) getting the rest of the packages over that you need to complete it. |
| 09:18.18 | karsten | wd: No idea there. |
| 09:18.27 | wd | k |
| 09:18.40 | liable | lets just continue on our merry way then.. |
| 09:20.05 | wd | liable: well i'm having issues.. i have network config automatically.. because i took off wep.. i made apt/sources.list.. but now "download installer components" won't play nice. |
| 09:20.44 | liable | wd: whats vt4 say about it? |
| 09:21.24 | wd | liable: you've been great help.. i hate to quit. I've struggle with gentoo for 6 months and that was 2 yrs ago. debian for about 1yr now. but this is a pita. lol |
| 09:21.37 | liable | ok |
| 09:22.21 | wd | liable: 23:28:$9 main-menu[330]: DEBUG: resolver (di-utils-reboot): mark |
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| 09:23.39 | liable | wd: start the installer components and switch to vt4 immediately. it wont let you scroll past the current screen that you switch to it in |
| 09:23.43 | liable | if that makes sense.. |
| 09:23.54 | wd | k |
| 09:24.08 | liable | vt4 only has scrollback from when you went to vt4 |
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| 09:24.29 | wd | liable: aha |
| 09:24.52 | wd | liable: configure download-installer status 4 |
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| 09:25.00 | wd | liable: new link disco |
| 09:25.29 | wd | liable: new link connected...... wget.... server returned error 404:http?1.1 404 not found |
| 09:25.43 | wd | liable: anna{5731].. |
| 09:25.54 | liable | ugh, surely archive has the installer components.. |
| 09:26.05 | wd | liable: i'm thinking my sources list could be wrong..the slashes. |
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| 09:26.47 | wd | i have this.. deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ sarge main contrib |
| 09:27.12 | liable | wd: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian sarge main contrib |
| 09:27.20 | linux_stu | does anyone have splashy working? when i run "update-grub", i keep getting the error "Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping" |
| 09:27.24 | liable | thats what i said in the second time |
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| 09:28.56 | wd | k |
| 09:29.04 | nbeebo | i got a .sh something, how do i run it? i want to see errors etc in terminal too |
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| 09:29.18 | wd | no nano .. i'm gonna have to rm and make another. |
| 09:29.52 | liable | wd: ed but you are prolly best just starting again |
| 09:30.12 | liable | the file i mean :) |
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| 09:30.52 | wd | k |
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| 09:33.59 | wd | liable: nope. nada |
| 09:34.01 | wd | :( |
| 09:34.22 | liable | wd: just rm the file and echo again then |
| 09:34.33 | wd | liable: i did i'll do again |
| 09:34.53 | liable | wd: oh, and the installer compenents failed again? |
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| 09:35.01 | wd | liable: yes |
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| 09:36.14 | liable | wd: bugger, try 'anna update' |
| 09:36.30 | wd | liable: form f2? |
| 09:36.35 | wd | from* |
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| 09:36.38 | liable | yeah |
| 09:36.53 | wd | liable: segmentation fault |
| 09:37.06 | liable | i am running low on ideas. i dont know the d-i low level apt tools much |
| 09:37.12 | liable | wd: \o/ |
| 09:37.23 | wd | liable: ok |
| 09:37.42 | wd | strange it worked then stopped.. huh. darn it. |
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| 09:38.03 | Gigantic | aha! |
| 09:38.04 | liable | sec |
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| 09:38.36 | Gigantic | I knew the drive was bad: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 __ratelimit: 25 callbacks suppressed |
| 09:38.53 | Gigantic | Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 1 2 |
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| 09:39.22 | nbeebo | i got a .sh something, how do i run it? i want to see errors etc in terminal too |
| 09:39.24 | liable | wd: anna wget base-installer .. what does that do? |
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| 09:39.49 | wd | liable: k |
| 09:39.50 | liable | nbeebo: bash -x foo.sh |
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| 09:40.20 | wd | liable: segmentation fault |
| 09:40.39 | wd | liable: include "anna" right? |
| 09:40.42 | wd | i did |
| 09:40.45 | liable | yep |
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| 09:42.15 | wd | liable: i'll just take the laptop hd out pop it in my laptop to ide converter, plug it in a desktop box and install sarge. gotta get cdrom. |
| 09:42.26 | liable | wd: good plan |
| 09:42.54 | liable | as much as it would be fun to kludge d-i to make it work, its too painfull |
| 09:43.06 | wd | liable: where do i go from here? http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/ |
| 09:43.20 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 09:43.30 | wd | liable: for the sarge cdrom |
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| 09:43.56 | liable | wd: etch should work on it. why keep trying with sarge? |
| 09:44.05 | liable | what did you say was the mem again? |
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| 09:45.06 | wd | liable: 40meg ram.. i tried etch cdrom and it installed but when i rebooted it stops at loading kernel .. then savedefault.. and freezes. |
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| 09:45.46 | wd | liable: that's why i'm always trying to use a 2.4 kernel. |
| 09:45.58 | liable | wd: 40MB should still be ok for a 2.6 kernel iirc. thats the only reason fundementally why you would want sarge and a 2.4 kernel |
| 09:46.22 | wd | liable: yep |
| 09:47.04 | wd | i'll reboot using etch and i'll be more precise... i poped the hd into my desktop and used that cdrom to install. |
| 09:47.13 | liable | ok |
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| 09:48.44 | wd | liable: grub...2.6.18.6...root...filesystem type..kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-686...initrd /boot/initrd....savedefault..frozen. |
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| 09:49.06 | doudou | Hi, just open firefox, open an old page, then after 30minutes a window pop up coming from a site i went before and that i closed, is this possible that firefox run programs in background without i know? |
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| 09:49.48 | liable | wd: try lilo |
| 09:49.49 | wd | liable: so i assumed a 2.6 kernel just won't work on this old lap. sarge ran perferct.. i even went to a 2.6.6 with sarge and i think i did this too. |
| 09:49.52 | rjd_ | Is it possible to rotate a specific log file as another user than root? |
| 09:50.33 | liable | wd: the mem is very much on the low side, but lets not give in just yet |
| 09:51.02 | doudou | Is there a debian version very secure, with only a web browther? |
| 09:51.09 | rjd_ | ah, chown in a postrotate :p |
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| 09:52.17 | wd | liable: ok, gotta pop out hd and put it in desktop box.. bb. |
| 09:52.35 | doudou | Is there a debian installer for grub? |
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| 09:56.28 | BlueChip | I am using schroot ...I wish to change the user prompt to tell me which schroot I am currently inside ...is this possible? |
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| 10:02.41 | BlueChip | ...for "root" this is simple, as there is a /schroot/root/ folder ...but /home/ is the same physical folder whether in the (ia32) schroot or not, so I need some way to "detect" (in a script) whether I am in a schroot, and preferably the name of it |
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| 10:08.26 | av1611 | hello to all! |
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| 10:10.41 | av1611 | did anybody experience something like this: debian lenny, FS:ext3, big files (current deb-testing-arch-BD-1 ~ 20 GB) removal. Disk free space doesn't increase, but has been left at the same level. The situation get updated only after reboot. |
| 10:11.24 | av1611 | quite a boring thing... |
| 10:11.50 | hoxu | av1611, maybe the file was still open by a process |
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| 10:12.09 | tehfox | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 10:12.51 | av1611 | mount -o loop; umount performed |
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| 10:12.56 | macsim`work | I try to fix my tty in 1024x768 I change it on menu.lst defoption=vga=792 and I did an update-grub, but my menu.lst is recreate, I try without update-grub and the new resolution is not apply, it's a bug ? |
| 10:13.19 | macsim`work | or I miss something ? |
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| 10:14.38 | tehfox | hello, in Debian I have php5-cli installed, but /usr/bin/php is not created (it should be a symlink to /etc/alternatives/php, which is link to /usr/bin/php5). Strange thing is that on different server the /usr/bin/php is created. What is the best way to get it created (no, I don't think that creating it manually is good way :-) )? |
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| 10:16.03 | themill | tehfox: update-alternatives |
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| 10:16.35 | tehfox | themill: update-alternatives --what, if you could be more specific? |
| 10:17.09 | kd8ikt | man update-alternatives? |
| 10:17.20 | tehfox | kd8ikt: probably, thanks. |
| 10:17.29 | kd8ikt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.48 | kd8ikt | i think we have a winner |
| 10:18.12 | tehfox | is confused, why on one server the link was created and not on the other. |
| 10:18.16 | themill | update-alternatives --config php |
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| 10:19.52 | themill | tehfox: they both should be the same. Are they both running etch? Is the output of "apt-cache policy php5-cli" the same on both of them? |
| 10:21.20 | tehfox | themill: yes, they are identical (etch, same packages), the output of the command is identical. |
| 10:21.42 | tehfox | update-alternatives outputs: There is only 1 program which provides php (/usr/bin/php5). Nothing to configure. |
| 10:21.57 | themill | did it make the symlink? |
| 10:22.07 | tehfox | themill: no, it didn't. |
| 10:22.13 | themill | :( |
| 10:23.20 | themill | tehfox: does /etc/alternatives/php exist? |
| 10:23.26 | tehfox | themill: yes |
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| 10:24.35 | themill | at this stage I'd be tempted to just symlink /usr/bin/php to that and be happy. |
| 10:24.52 | tehfox | darn, that was something I was trying to avoid... |
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| 10:25.42 | themill | tehfox: well, you could always install php4-cli, change the alternatives to php4 then back to php5 the uninstall php4-cli... |
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| 10:26.05 | tehfox | update-alternatives --auto php |
| 10:26.10 | tehfox | that did the trick. |
| 10:26.19 | themill | it did? ok. good stuff |
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| 10:26.43 | tehfox | not that I'm less confused :-) |
| 10:26.48 | tehfox | but thanks for your hints. |
| 10:27.35 | Tekno | Hello, I'd want to make nice graph of temperatures. Can you name a software of that? |
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| 10:28.21 | themill | !plotting |
| 10:28.21 | dpkg | There are a lot of good Free Software plotting packages that will produce plots of data or equations that are suitable for publication. These include grace, gri, pyx, labplot, qtiplot, gnuplot, r-base, ... See http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2005/10/msg00053.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2006/04/msg00004.html for ideas and reviews. |
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| 10:28.51 | themill | dpkg, plotting =~ s/gnuplot/<gnuplot>/ |
| 10:28.51 | dpkg | themill: OK |
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| 10:30.16 | themill | Tekno: gnuplot or grace are probably the easiest to be getting on with. Personally, I use pyx. |
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| 10:30.41 | Tekno | okay |
| 10:31.33 | themill | Tekno: if you just want a quick and dirty graph, openoffice can do that for you. But they're not good enough for a lot of scientific uses -- depends what you're wanting to do. |
| 10:32.00 | Tekno | Well I just want to have a look of cpu usage of my server |
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| 10:32.08 | Tekno | from internet |
| 10:32.14 | nsadmin | judd versions debhelper |
| 10:32.16 | judd | nsadmin: debhelper -- etch: 5.0.42 etch-backports: 7.0.15~bpo40+2 lenny: 7.0.15 sid: 7.0.17 experimental: 7.1.1 |
| 10:32.25 | themill | Tekno: if you want to do it from a script, then gnuplot or pyx are your best bet |
| 10:33.05 | kd8ikt | i ugh just use phpexec + sensors |
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| 10:33.22 | kd8ikt | but it doesnt draw a graph just shows the current temp |
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| 10:34.45 | kd8ikt | <-- lazy |
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| 10:38.53 | utrrrongeeb | I replaced a 17" 1280x1024 monitor with a 22" 1680x1050 monitor (both LCDs). Xorg [Etch] is only using a 1280x1024 area of the new screen, though, regardless of what resolution I set it to (although I can pan around larger resolutions). Xfce's Display settings also don't show any screen sizes above 1280x1024. Using Ctrl-Alt-[+-] changes the screen resolution, but still within the 1280x1024 area. |
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| 10:41.28 | DGnome | utrrrongeeb: too old gpu? |
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| 10:41.58 | utrrrongeeb | DGnome: Possibly. It's an Intel i810-class. In Windows the monitor works fine, though. |
| 10:42.01 | EugenMayer | how to change the greeting message showed when you login? |
| 10:42.03 | ganes | how to recover my file ... when it is bad stage while opening |
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| 10:42.14 | DGnome | utrrrongeeb: nvidia gf 6xxx are the first nv-chips that do 16/10 resolutions |
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| 10:42.36 | ganes | i have saved my important file now its not opening its a doc formatted file |
| 10:43.23 | DGnome | utrrrongeeb: the windows driver may do some stuff with the resolutions, there is a package in debian that will do the same |
| 10:43.56 | utrrrongeeb | DGnome: What is the package? |
| 10:44.17 | prxtien | im struggling to get the right syntax in my ipsec-tools.conf, i have a dns server that some other servers are connecting to with ipsec, i want to exclude dns traffic from ipsec... ive managed to get the clients requests coming through without esp but the server wont respond.. please help! |
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| 10:48.03 | DGnome | utrrrongeeb: took me a while to find it, http://packages.debian.org/etch/915resolution |
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| 10:49.18 | utrrrongeeb | DGnome: Okay, I'll try it later. Thanks! |
| 10:49.27 | DGnome | utrrrongeeb: no problem :) |
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| 10:50.28 | rahsputin | is there a way to print with printer-device only the uneven numbered pages or only the even ones ? |
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| 10:51.42 | dondelelcaro | rahsputin: a2ps will do it, as will some other things |
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| 10:52.00 | dondelelcaro | god do I hate drive by questions |
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| 10:53.38 | utrrrongeeb | EugenMayer: Do you mean at the text consoles, or at X? |
| 10:53.45 | kd8ikt | heres a tough one, my desktop trashbin is having permission issues |
| 10:53.56 | kd8ikt | it wont delete some trashbin items |
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| 10:55.27 | baf | hello, when activating acl on a partition do old file permission work too? |
| 10:58.21 | EugenMayer | utrrrongeeb: in the console. But i found it allready. How can i run a script which displays something else after this message ? |
| 10:58.29 | utrrrongeeb | kd8ikt: Can you view the file properties of the files you can't delete? |
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| 11:00.40 | utrrrongeeb | EugenMayer: You'll have to ask someone else, unless you mean after you log in. |
| 11:01.38 | EugenMayer | utrrrongeeb: yes after the login. Just directly after |
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| 11:04.07 | EugenMayer | ok got it |
| 11:04.43 | utrrrongeeb | EugenMayer: The message displayed then is /etc/motd (I think...). If you're using Bash, there are some scripts executed when you login... something like ~/.bash_profile, or ~/.profile, or ~/.bashrc -- one of those or something like that. |
| 11:06.33 | EugenMayer | thank you, solved |
| 11:06.58 | utrrrongeeb | EugenMayer: no problem |
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| 11:12.36 | kd8ikt | utrrrongeeb: well its owned by root of course but how can i sudo delete trash? |
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| 11:16.10 | kd8ikt | nvrmind found it ~/.local/share/Trash/files/ |
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| 11:16.36 | EugenMayer | tar cjf startersVM_1.0.0.1.tar.bz startersVM_1.0.0.1 |
| 11:16.37 | EugenMayer | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 11:16.48 | EugenMayer | why i cant pack with bzip2 here? |
| 11:17.30 | koollman | because bzip2 is missing on your system |
| 11:17.32 | EugenMayer | oh..its not instlled |
| 11:17.39 | EugenMayer | that thing is not default!?! |
| 11:17.49 | EugenMayer | thank you |
| 11:17.54 | kd8ikt | :D |
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| 11:27.14 | gjorge | hello all, I've a Debian Etch Server and I want to set up a ipsec vpn. Im using kernel 2.6.18, and I want to know If I have to recompile kernel to get work this vpn? |
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| 11:27.48 | deebo | anyone using testing and gnome? my print dialogs are missing color selections for whatever reason |
| 11:27.53 | deebo | in all programs |
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| 11:28.50 | ganes | how to open a msword file |
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| 11:29.20 | ganes | anyone help me to open a msword file , it is throwing an error |
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| 11:34.00 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ganes, use OpenOffice or some visor of msword format |
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| 11:35.08 | ganes | Will-O-The-Wisp, its an important file that is prepared in linux & saved as .doc , now i am opening its not opening |
| 11:35.15 | Will-O-The-Wisp | gjorge, I use OpenVPN some time ago and works fine with standard debian kernel |
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| 11:36.02 | gjorge | <Will-O-The-Wisp>: yes yes... Im using OpenVPN as well, and Im installing ipsec now. |
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| 11:38.43 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ganes, I don't use MSWord format, I don't know if exist any free program to fix it, sorry. Maybe you can open it with another visor. |
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| 11:40.32 | emm4 | Hi! I have a computer which is actig funny, it has two network cards but one of them does not always show up, When I try to bring it up, once it is detected, both cards assume the same ip address even though they are quite separated in /etc/network/interfaces. Some output http://pastebin.com/d25812845 |
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| 11:40.58 | emm4 | Is the card to old or just gone south? |
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| 11:41.29 | Will-O-The-Wisp | gjorge, standard debian kernel should work fine, you shouldn't recompile the kernel again to work with IPSec |
| 11:42.47 | gjorge | <Will-O-The-Wisp>: good... thank you |
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| 11:46.31 | Will-O-The-Wisp | emm4, it's so curious :-) the system can see it in different hardware addresses, and the name are correct .... |
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| 11:46.54 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Can you add /etc/network/interfaces to your pastebin log? |
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| 11:49.46 | emm4 | Will-O-The-Wisp: Im sort of past the curious stage :) http://pastebin.com/d589eec91 Is the card too old do you think? |
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| 11:52.05 | doudou | how i get rid of iceweasel asking flash install? i dont want flash, i dont want to be asked if i want it, i said no almost 1000 times now |
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| 11:56.23 | Will-O-The-Wisp | emm4, configuration file seems right, really it's a "funny" behavior :-P . I don't think that it's a problem of a old hardware, sometime in the past this card wasn't old and it worked fine. Old drivers may be untouched but operational in kernel. |
| 11:57.15 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Did you try to add eth1 to allow-hotplug directive? |
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| 11:57.36 | emm4 | Will-O-The-Wisp: Ok, thanks for your time and effort. Guess Ill just consider the card broken and get me one of these ISA cards :) |
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| 11:58.42 | Will-O-The-Wisp | emm4, thanks to you, it's interesting know these problems ;-) |
| 11:59.06 | Will-O-The-Wisp | and sorry, I don't know what's de concrete problem |
| 11:59.08 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ;-( |
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| 11:59.50 | emm4 | Will-O-The-Wisp: I just assume defeat by the hardware ;) |
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| 12:01.26 | cousin_luigi | hello |
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| 12:01.38 | cousin_luigi | what is the cleanest way to upgrade a package from a deb? |
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| 12:01.56 | un_dave_ | does anyone know what app i could use to display system info on a monitor, fullscreen, large text? |
| 12:02.47 | EmleyMoor | cousin_luigi: What are you trying to upgrade? |
| 12:03.06 | skymal4ik | un_dave_, x11 or console? |
| 12:03.21 | Will-O-The-Wisp | cousin_luigi, if deb package is correctly created a simple dpkg -i <package> should update all files with no errors, maybe some questions about compatibility can be asked |
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| 12:03.58 | un_dave_ | skymal4ik: x11... needs to be easily readable, large font |
| 12:04.23 | cousin_luigi | EmleyMoor: zarafa |
| 12:04.35 | cousin_luigi | Will-O-The-Wisp: even if an older version is already installed? |
| 12:04.54 | EmleyMoor | Especially if |
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| 12:05.36 | Will-O-The-Wisp | cousin_luigi, when you perform an "apt-get dist-upgrade" replace old versiones with a new one, and you can do it without errors |
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| 12:05.51 | EmleyMoor | cousin_luigi: zarafa is not in Debian |
| 12:06.14 | cousin_luigi | thanks, it worked |
| 12:06.23 | cousin_luigi | EmleyMoor: that's why I'm installing it from debs |
| 12:06.39 | Will-O-The-Wisp | maybe a configuration file isn't compatible, but if deb package it's correctly compiled shouldn't have problems |
| 12:06.42 | Will-O-The-Wisp | but ... |
| 12:06.44 | skymal4ik | un_dave_, take a look at saidar. But it's ncurses-based |
| 12:06.49 | Will-O-The-Wisp | read EmleyMoor one minute |
| 12:07.04 | cousin_luigi | ? |
| 12:07.06 | Will-O-The-Wisp | this package exists in Debian rep? |
| 12:07.06 | EmleyMoor | If you dpkg -i a newer version it will replace the old one |
| 12:07.13 | cousin_luigi | no, it doesn't |
| 12:07.26 | cousin_luigi | but I wasn't sure how to upgrade it on debian |
| 12:07.30 | un_dave_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:07.56 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ok, then you must trust in the provider work |
| 12:08.01 | gjorge | Im trying to set up Ipsec in Debian Etch, and Im getting the following problem when I try to start racoon: "compression algorithm can not be checked because sadb message doesn't support it". Any idea? |
| 12:08.02 | cousin_luigi | yes |
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| 12:08.28 | Will-O-The-Wisp | we don't know (I belive) if this package works fine |
| 12:08.33 | Will-O-The-Wisp | :-) |
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| 12:10.02 | cousin_luigi | is aware of that, he just wanted to know what was the correct way to do it from the apt perspective;) |
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| 12:11.05 | cousin_luigi | urpmi is causing mind rot you know:) |
| 12:11.05 | un_dave_ | skymal4ik: console based, small text. can you think of anything i could make display each of those stats in a large font, full screen, and cycle from stat to stat. |
| 12:11.05 | EmleyMoor | If it's not in a repo in your apt sources, apt won't touch it |
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| 12:11.27 | un_dave_ | skymal4ik: i've been hunting, i figured some info display tool must exist... but as yet, i havent found anything :( |
| 12:11.56 | cousin_luigi | bye! |
| 12:12.00 | Will-O-The-Wisp | cousin_luigi, use dpkg management program to upgrade it ;) |
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| 12:12.11 | cousin_luigi | :) |
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| 12:14.04 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, there are many monitoring systems, and font size can be customized in the terminal. What do you need? Can you tell us any example please? |
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| 12:15.57 | skymal4ik | un_dave_, terminal font is configurable :) i'm also using -c flag, then it uses some colors too :))) But realy nice is that i can use it via ssh. |
| 12:16.44 | un_dave_ | Will-O-The-Wisp: it's for a info display system, to monitor my server, show info like cpu/ram use, date/time, disk use, etc. simple stats, maybe a scrolling rss feed if i could get it. stuff that's readable at a distance on a 15inch lcd. |
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| 12:17.14 | un_dave_ | graphs would be great, but optional |
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| 12:17.49 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, maybe interest you a monitoring system like Nagios, Zabbix or BigBrother |
| 12:18.19 | Will-O-The-Wisp | you can see it in a web interface |
| 12:19.09 | Will-O-The-Wisp | it's configurable and more "visual" than a terminal |
| 12:19.29 | un_dave_ | it'll have no kb and mouse attached. display will have to be all running in auto |
| 12:19.39 | un_dave_ | will look up those ones though, thanks |
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| 12:20.37 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, these programs hace web interface |
| 12:21.07 | Will-O-The-Wisp | you don't need monitor, or keyboard or mouse, only a PC and a web browser |
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| 12:21.19 | Will-O-The-Wisp | to connect to the server |
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| 12:23.04 | gjorge | Im trying to set up ipsec in debian etch, and I getting the following error when I try toi start racoon: "ERROR: glob found no matches for path". Someone knows what means this error? |
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| 12:27.11 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there guys |
| 12:28.24 | Will-O-The-Wisp | gjorge, seems that one process try to find files from a wildcard and cannot find anyone. But if a generic error, maybe this answer can't help you ;-( |
| 12:29.05 | un_dave_ | i think i might have to make something custom. i'm looking for stuff readable accross a small room not much on the screen at the time |
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| 12:31.44 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, monitoring systems are customizable :-) watching interface can be different in each enviroment. |
| 12:32.39 | Will-O-The-Wisp | font size, information, alarms, graphs .... it's only a interface, it's so easy customize it |
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| 12:34.10 | skymal4ik | un_dave_, you can use, for example, phpsysinfo, but to make your own template, with big font size and show only necessary info |
| 12:34.21 | mrts | having trouble after upgrade from sarge to etch -- seems that kernel image package name has changed |
| 12:34.45 | mrts | what should I apt-get if I want to get server version of kernel image on i686? |
| 12:35.10 | Will-O-The-Wisp | dpkg -l | grep -i linux-image |
| 12:35.10 | dpkg | ii | grep -i linux-image 3.5-2 will-o-the-wisp's private stamp collection |
| 12:35.22 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ooops, sorry |
| 12:35.42 | mrts | I need the server version |
| 12:36.02 | gjorge | <Will-O-The-Wisp>: The tunnel still not working, but the service racoon was started. I changed file /etc/default/racoon, changing parameter CONFIG_MODE from "direct" to "racoon-tool"... |
| 12:37.11 | Will-O-The-Wisp | mrts, you can see current running version with "uname -a", see installed versions with dpkg -l | grep -i linux-image and search with apt-cache search linux image to see available versions in repositories |
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| 12:37.43 | christoz | hello, does anyone having problems on playing video files on debian lenny (with vesa driver)? |
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| 12:38.32 | christoz | here are the symptoms: if i grap the player with the mouse and moving it up and down (varius direction) while it is on the move the video appears but it doesn't when i "leave it down |
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| 12:39.20 | christoz | i have no clue for the solution |
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| 12:39.44 | Will-O-The-Wisp | gjorge, sorry, I should read openvpn documentation again. Anyone knows if there are a channel to help gjorge (openvpn problem)? |
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| 12:42.06 | mrts | Will-O-The-Wisp: unfortunately, none of these answer my question :( |
| 12:43.20 | un_dave_ | how can i make the terminal display text in a huge font ? |
| 12:43.35 | Eulex | which terminal? |
| 12:43.38 | petemc | figlet! |
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| 12:43.56 | un_dave_ | ah, default terminal in ubuntu? |
| 12:44.22 | un_dave_ | (is that bash?) |
| 12:44.30 | Tekno | yes |
| 12:44.59 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 12:44.59 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 12:45.45 | Eulex | that said, bash is not a terminal, it is a shell |
| 12:45.57 | un_dave_ | yes, but ubuntu is based on debian, and owes most of its success to debian... and bash is the saME in both. plus, you guys are infinitely more helpful. |
| 12:46.28 | Eulex | no, it is not the same on both, and your question isn't even related to bash |
| 12:46.33 | Eulex | !based on debian |
| 12:46.33 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 12:46.45 | mchelen | is there any way to install on a headless server? like a livecd running sshd |
| 12:47.00 | un_dave_ | :( |
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| 12:48.56 | skymal4ik | un_dave_, are you trying to change font in framebuffer console or in x11-application, like gnome-term or konsole? |
| 12:48.57 | mrts | mchelen: google knows, there is, "debian completely automated install" |
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| 12:50.23 | mchelen | mrts, ok cool thanks |
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| 12:51.25 | mrts | guys, really, nobody runs the server blend of linux-image? or there is none? |
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| 12:56.51 | mrts | like, I'd expect deadline to be the default i/o scheduler, preemption turned off on server version of the kernel |
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| 12:57.13 | petemc | server version? |
| 12:57.17 | petemc | there is none |
| 12:57.39 | mrts | aha, ok |
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| 12:58.43 | mrts | petemc: but what's the package I should install to get automatic kernel updates on etch? (just upgraded sarge to etch and kernel image was not updated) |
| 12:59.28 | marsje | Hi people. Is there a way to do something like this: gpg -d encrypted_file | editor - | gpg -c > encypted_file ? |
| 12:59.31 | petemc | mrts: yeah, the one that doesnt mention the version, its like 2.6-686 or some such |
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| 12:59.51 | petemc | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:59.57 | marsje | In other words: decrypt a file, edit it in memory and then decrypt it again |
| 13:00.26 | mrts | petemc: thanks, that was it |
| 13:00.30 | marsje | to avoid temporarily storing a decrypted file on disk |
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| 13:00.52 | un_dave_ | ok. so lets pretend i'm using debian. if i'm writing a bash script, how can change the text size |
| 13:00.56 | un_dave_ | ? |
| 13:01.06 | Will-O-The-Wisp | marsje, and if you use /dev/shm special device? |
| 13:01.16 | Will-O-The-Wisp | it's in RAM |
| 13:01.25 | marsje | Will-O-The-Wisp: never heard of that, but I think I was looking for something like that |
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| 13:01.49 | mrts | marsje: unfortunately you can not outrule that the contents of encrypted_file will be swapped out |
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| 13:02.06 | mrts | unless you turn swap off before |
| 13:02.19 | mrts | in practice this may not apply |
| 13:02.24 | mrts | but YMMV |
| 13:03.01 | skymal4ik | un_dave_ output goes to framebuffer console or x11-app, like gnome-term/konsole/etc? |
| 13:03.06 | Will-O-The-Wisp | /dev/shm it's a special device, works in RAM space like a RAM disk, it's usefull from some operations that you don't want waste the disk |
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| 13:04.03 | un_dave_ | it goes to gnome-term |
| 13:04.40 | debianour | I am having problem with efax. I execute command 'slmodemd /dev/slusb0' followed by 'pon'. When I run efax, I get: /dev/ttySL0 locked or busy. Where is the problem? |
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| 13:04.45 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, a script don't have text size. Size it's only a visual effect, the size has sense on a terminal enviroment (xterm, gnome-terminal, konsole ....) |
| 13:05.21 | un_dave_ | Will-O-The-Wisp: aww. so i cant set the font size/alignment in the script? |
| 13:05.23 | Will-O-The-Wisp | in gnome-terminal you can define it in preferences, I don't remember the concrete place |
| 13:06.08 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, right, you cannot set size/alignment in a script, it's only a visual efect in your interpreter |
| 13:06.20 | skymal4ik | un_dave_, then you just have to configure font size in this application |
| 13:07.22 | un_dave_ | Will-O-The-Wisp: ok. well i'll keep playing around, i have an idea i might make scripts to make some simple html, then use something to display that full screen. that way i can control font, size layout, etc. |
| 13:07.35 | un_dave_ | thanks for your help though |
| 13:07.36 | un_dave_ | ! |
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| 13:07.45 | Will-O-The-Wisp | un_dave_, correct, this is the way :) |
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| 13:08.15 | Will-O-The-Wisp | I recommend you, if you have a bit time, read about Nagios |
| 13:08.26 | Will-O-The-Wisp | in future maybe can interest you |
| 13:08.48 | Will-O-The-Wisp | it's easy to configure and so powerfull |
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| 13:18.05 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to have a menu.lst where an option spans two lines? |
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| 13:21.53 | marmor | Estou com problemas na inicialização de meu server Debian, retorna mensagem DMA timeout...por favor me ajudem. |
| 13:22.03 | efaistos | english plz |
| 13:22.40 | Will-O-The-Wisp | marmor, seems that a IDE device respond too late |
| 13:22.52 | marmor | I have problem with inicialization server Debian, return message DMA timeout, please help me |
| 13:22.56 | Will-O-The-Wisp | do you use any sata-ide emulation? |
| 13:23.20 | marmor | no |
| 13:23.48 | Will-O-The-Wisp | ide drives, isn't it? |
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| 13:25.32 | zamuro | !br |
| 13:25.32 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:29.52 | sunn | Anybody know where I can find a .deb package for mozilla's binary firefox? - If such a thing exists |
| 13:30.11 | Will-O-The-Wisp | sunn the name is iceweasel |
| 13:30.21 | Will-O-The-Wisp | in debian repositories |
| 13:30.30 | sunn | Will-O-The-Wisp: No, I mean the binary version mozilla provides |
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| 13:31.10 | Will-O-The-Wisp | sunn, sorry, I'm understood you ;-) |
| 13:31.44 | sunn | I'm using that now, but I would like to have it installed and managed by the package manager rather than manually, thats all :P |
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| 13:32.15 | streuner_ | !iceweasel |
| 13:32.15 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 13:32.23 | Will-O-The-Wisp | the last time that I use official firefox software it was distributed as ELF binary, no deb package |
| 13:33.26 | Will-O-The-Wisp | I suppose that you can install and manage it with dpkg, like another deb package |
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| 13:34.27 | sunn | Sure, but I need a deb package first - and I figured checking if anybody had packaged it already before figuring out how to do it myself was a good idea |
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| 13:34.43 | petemc | if anyone has done so, they havent advertised it |
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| 13:35.01 | petemc | sunn: what is it in the official version that you require that isnt in debians iceweasel package? |
| 13:35.53 | sunn | Honestly, I prefer the official branding/name, that's about it :P |
| 13:36.17 | Trewas | sunn: you can just extract their .tar.gz somewhere (in your homedirectory for example) and run firefox from there |
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| 13:36.32 | sunn | Trewas: I have already done that |
| 13:36.39 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know how is it possible that i can't umount a device because it says device busy, but it doesn't show up in lsof? |
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| 13:37.55 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Knight_Lord, lsof list open files, if you don't use a file (if you are in a directory f.e.) lsof don't list it |
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| 13:38.15 | Trewas | sunn: there's not much benefit using that same version packaged in .deb, it wants to upgrade itself anyway, so it goes a bit against package management |
| 13:38.15 | Knight_Lord | Will-O-The-Wisp so why would the device be busy then? |
| 13:40.12 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Knight_Lord, it could be if, for example, your in a child directory with a shell. There isn't the solutions for all errors of this type, but it's a clue |
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| 13:40.38 | Will-O-The-Wisp | maybe a program using some directory, or with a subshell on it |
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| 13:40.50 | Jobbe | hello |
| 13:41.06 | DavidProck1981 | Help !!! i have a DVD |
| 13:41.10 | DavidProck1981 | errrr |
| 13:41.13 | Jobbe | lol |
| 13:41.17 | Knight_Lord | Will-O-The-Wisp i'm grepping for the mount point |
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| 13:41.25 | Knight_Lord | Will-O-The-Wisp so a child directory would show up |
| 13:41.31 | Jobbe | anyone know a good a good proxy setup for CLI ? |
| 13:41.57 | Jobbe | i've tried search google.. d |
| 13:41.59 | DavidProck1981 | Help !!! i have a DVD+R rw in the drive and the system just thinks its a blank cd, what do i do |
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| 13:43.28 | Will-O-The-Wisp | Knight_Lord, lsof show files, a directory isn't a file you can stay in a directory, using it, and it woudn't showed on a lsof output |
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| 13:44.36 | petemc | Will-O-The-Wisp: i think you're wrong there |
| 13:44.42 | crono- | where can i find a working sarge repo? |
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| 13:44.46 | Knight_Lord | Will-O-The-Wisp it does show |
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| 13:44.57 | streuner_ | crono-: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 13:45.10 | crono- | streuner_: thanks |
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| 13:45.20 | petemc | Will-O-The-Wisp: it will show as the cwd of a process |
| 13:45.25 | Knight_Lord | Will-O-The-Wisp if a file is in use it shows up in lsof. If it's not it doesn't create device busy |
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| 13:47.12 | Will-O-The-Wisp | petemc, Knight_Lord thanks for the correction, I'll read documentation again. Maybe I'm mistaken. I see this case (a process in a directory) and it wasn't in lsof output |
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| 13:48.28 | Knight_Lord | The problem was a proc filesystem mounted inside the filesystem i wanted to umount! |
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| 13:56.18 | sk4 | hi there |
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| 14:01.11 | DavidProck1981 | Can a DVD+R be used to burn a dvd ISO image of a linux install ??????? |
| 14:01.27 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: apt-cache show mondo |
| 14:01.36 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: but that does alot more than that |
| 14:02.06 | DavidProck1981 | i use aptitude would that matter |
| 14:02.08 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: iso image is a very misleading term |
| 14:02.26 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: because an iso image certainly cannot hold unix permissions on files |
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| 14:03.32 | DavidProck1981 | what am i supposed to do with the output from "apt-cache show mondo" |
| 14:03.42 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: you read it |
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| 14:07.02 | DavidProck1981 | ok i did not get any think out of it |
| 14:07.25 | DavidProck1981 | tell me what to do |
| 14:07.30 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: what do you mean? that you cant read or that it did not produce output? |
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| 14:07.49 | DavidProck1981 | it did not help |
| 14:08.09 | DavidProck1981 | the info did not help me know what i need to do |
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| 14:08.23 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: its a description of what mondo does |
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| 14:08.47 | DavidProck1981 | can u give me a command of how to use it |
| 14:09.00 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: no, certainly not, thats what documentation is for |
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| 14:09.22 | unbalanced | ah I looked up at just the right moment |
| 14:09.31 | DavidProck1981 | No manual entry for mondo |
| 14:09.47 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
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| 14:10.26 | unbalanced | valdyn, I'm having two probs with xgettext and the man page and info aren't saving my butt like they usually do... |
| 14:10.31 | DavidProck1981 | well hell it was not installed |
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| 14:10.50 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude install mondo is installing it now |
| 14:11.00 | DavidProck1981 | with lots of other things |
| 14:11.02 | unbalanced | for some reason 'xgettext *.php' completely misses some of the php files in the folder |
| 14:11.31 | unbalanced | I've checked the encodings, tried different command line switches... |
| 14:11.34 | valdyn | unbalanced: to many files for shell globbing? |
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| 14:12.07 | unbalanced | valdyn: only about 27, not huge either |
| 14:12.20 | Gerlad | How does ubuntu differ from debian? |
| 14:12.26 | valdyn | unbalanced: i dont know xgettext |
| 14:12.45 | DavidProck1981 | valdyn, was mondo supposed to be installed by default be debian etch |
| 14:13.11 | valdyn | unbalanced: but you can try something like find . -name "*.php" -exec xgettext '{}' ';' |
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| 14:13.28 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: no |
| 14:13.28 | unbalanced | ahar, will do |
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| 14:14.54 | DavidProck1981 | tring to burn a copy of FreeBSD, going to give it a shot |
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| 14:20.15 | RichiH | i am getting loads of "ext3-fs error: ext3_find_entry: reading directory FOO offset BAR" and "rejecting I/O to offline device" errors -- did the underlying array crap itself or what? |
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| 14:20.40 | valdyn | RichiH: yes |
| 14:20.42 | RichiH | and could that error, in theory, happen when the disk is full (assume not, but disk might have become full, at that time) |
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| 14:20.51 | valdyn | RichiH: no |
| 14:21.00 | valdyn | RichiH: the device is offline.. |
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| 14:21.17 | RichiH | valdyn: other than rebooting, do you have any idea how to fix it? |
| 14:21.33 | valdyn | RichiH: offline is not a specific error |
| 14:21.34 | abrotman | do you really want to risk bringing it back online? |
| 14:21.44 | valdyn | RichiH: so this depends on the underlying hardware |
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| 14:21.57 | RichiH | abrotman: what i "want" is not a factor, here |
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| 14:22.12 | abrotman | !beer RichiH |
| 14:22.12 | dpkg | pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for RichiH |
| 14:22.18 | valdyn | RichiH: I can hotplug sata disks just fine, so i wouldnt need to reboot for that |
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| 14:23.14 | RichiH | valdyn: we are talking raid 1 SAS disks |
| 14:23.17 | valdyn | RichiH: but you talked about raid? is the whole raid offline? |
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| 14:23.41 | RichiH | valdyn: i would know if i could ssh into the thing and/or if sun's ilom worked |
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| 14:23.52 | RichiH | hate sun, hate sun, hate sun |
| 14:24.26 | valdyn | RichiH: so ext3 is bringing errors for remote storage? |
| 14:24.38 | RichiH | the storage is local |
| 14:24.54 | RichiH | every blade has two SAS disks in raid 1 |
| 14:25.09 | valdyn | RichiH: oh, just sun hardware, and linux os |
| 14:25.20 | phorce1 | cool ---> (recovery = 59.7% (45963328/76973824) finish=292.9min speed=1763K/sec) I'll get a bit of speed back in only 5 more hours |
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| 14:25.37 | valdyn | RichiH: i cant help you to use any hardware raid maintenance tools |
| 14:26.03 | valdyn | RichiH: but since ext3 is complaining already the whole raid is broken |
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| 14:26.17 | RichiH | valdyn: that's what i fear |
| 14:26.43 | RichiH | unless the raid took itself offline to save itself in some weird read-only mode |
| 14:26.44 | valdyn | RichiH: reboot, involving complete poweroff |
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| 14:27.32 | valdyn | RichiH: disks and controllers can crash |
| 14:27.52 | valdyn | RichiH: i mean their firmware can, and we know nothing to conclude anything really, so it could be just that |
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| 14:28.36 | RichiH | valdyn: well, we know i am not happy |
| 14:28.43 | valdyn | RichiH: yea! |
| 14:29.19 | phorce1 | pulled a boner and knocked the power connector of of one of the raid 1 drives during a hardware move. |
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| 14:30.24 | unbalanced | trying 'xgettext filename.php' but it doesn't see the gettext strings, even with -a arg it misses them (but then returns unmarked strings, which are not the ones I want :). Works on most of my files but not on about a dozen. Any suggestions? |
| 14:30.46 | ndf | hi, i'm setting up ubuntu (i know it's not strictly debian, but it's not really a distro specific question anyway): i have a shared memory onboard graphics card on my laptop (it uses sys ram rather than dedicated gpu ram). i also want to be able to hibernate. i have 2gb ddr2 ram, should i make my swap about 4gig? (to cater for swapping+hibernation) and does the shared memory graphics card affect swap usage as it will be using some r |
| 14:31.05 | unbalanced | I've stripped the xgettext call down, I had more args on there for encoding, file type... nothing helped |
| 14:32.13 | unbalanced | found it! |
| 14:32.15 | valdyn | ndf: can you not enable compression in your hibernate system? |
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| 14:32.39 | valdyn | ndf: you certainly dont want to use that much swap btw |
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| 14:33.19 | valdyn | ndf: on a desktop your system will probably crawl before you are even at 1G swap usage |
| 14:33.23 | unbalanced | In my PHP I had a (useless) empty extended text block <<<EOT and then ending with EOT; on the next line. That'll teach me to leave that cruft lying around. |
| 14:33.58 | valdyn | ndf: 4G is plenty anyway |
| 14:34.27 | ndf | valdyn: i don't know, i've not used hibernation on linux before. i don't know how it works. also the swap size estimate was based on 2gb ram being swapped, ~1gb extra incase the gfx shared mem effected it, and ~1gb extra for hibernation |
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| 14:34.51 | damo | hello |
| 14:34.57 | valdyn | ndf: shared mem does not add anything |
| 14:35.01 | ndf | ok |
| 14:35.19 | valdyn | ndf: shared mem reduces the available ram for applications |
| 14:35.21 | damo | i brought a ip address of my isp provder nbow im wondering how do i use my other ip? |
| 14:35.36 | ndf | which in turn means more swapping, no? |
| 14:35.38 | damo | \and how do i find out both ip address`s |
| 14:35.48 | valdyn | ndf: 4G is perfectly enough, 2G might be perfectly enough, for your swap partition |
| 14:36.02 | valdyn | ndf: well, sure, more swapping |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | damo: brought or bought? |
| 14:36.31 | valdyn | ndf: but you dont need to seriously use swap at all at 2G ram |
| 14:37.27 | valdyn | ndf: real desktop usage at 2G ram is probably at |
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| 14:37.39 | valdyn | ndf: few kb swap used because thats what linux always does |
| 14:37.46 | damo | bought |
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| 14:37.57 | damo | purchased |
| 14:37.58 | valdyn | ndf: ~512mb real ram used by apps |
| 14:37.59 | damo | ;p |
| 14:38.08 | ndf | hm |
| 14:38.11 | ndf | k |
| 14:38.24 | valdyn | ndf: 1.5G used as buffer / cache, all that will not be saved when hibernating |
| 14:38.45 | ndf | so ~1.5x ram sized swap is plenty(if not oversised)? |
| 14:38.49 | abrotman | damo: your ISP should tell you the IP |
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| 14:39.13 | phorce1 | ndf: I have 2G swap set up -- top shows 3944k being used -- I'm running a desktop with X -- gnome -- bits of kde --- about 8 firefox windows open --- 6 or 7 xterm windows (one with screen running irssi and rtorrent) --- icedove mail --- and more |
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| 14:39.18 | valdyn | ndf: linux memory subsystem isnt that simple though so might aswell be more memory show in use, but not near full 2G |
| 14:39.37 | valdyn | ndf: probably |
| 14:39.47 | valdyn | ndf: id go with 2G swap i guess |
| 14:39.55 | ndf | ==ram size |
| 14:39.57 | phorce1 | ndf: I currently have only 2G RAM installed running all of that |
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| 14:40.04 | ndf | ok |
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| 14:40.18 | ndf | it's just i'm trying to think about compensation for shared meme gfx running warsow |
| 14:40.25 | ndf | but apparently as i dont need to |
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| 14:40.33 | ndf | looks like ~ram size will do |
| 14:40.34 | phorce1 | 's other 2G RAM stick got eaten by a bad machine during testing |
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| 14:40.55 | valdyn | ndf: shared mem means that your gfx chipset claims system ram and uses that as gfx memory |
| 14:41.06 | damo | abrotman: can i find out? |
| 14:41.29 | ndf | yeah i know |
| 14:41.31 | phorce1 | ndf: How "big" is the gfx card/ (128M, 256M, ?) |
| 14:41.34 | abrotman | damo: ifconfig -a will tell you what the system currently has .. or call your ISP |
| 14:41.36 | ndf | i thought that would affect swapping |
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| 14:41.47 | ndf | phorce1: 358mb shared |
| 14:41.51 | valdyn | ndf: so less to hibernate compared to a gfx chip with dedicated ram |
| 14:42.10 | ndf | how so? |
| 14:42.21 | ndf | surely using some sys ram means less space for apps to use it, meaning more swapping? |
| 14:42.29 | ndf | not opposite |
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| 14:43.15 | damo | will ifconfig tell me both ips? |
| 14:43.23 | phorce1 | ndf: so, the way you need to set it in your brain is "I have a 358M gfx card and 1.6G of system ram" <--- work with the 1.6G number, completely ignoring the 358M |
| 14:43.25 | abrotman | if they're configured |
| 14:43.32 | valdyn | ndf: you dont swap more in reality because you dont use the full 2G |
| 14:43.32 | damo | to my modem? |
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| 14:43.49 | ndf | oic |
| 14:43.49 | valdyn | ndf: your system just has less ram available for buffer/cache |
| 14:43.53 | abrotman | damo: do not msg me |
| 14:43.58 | damo | sorry mate |
| 14:44.01 | ndf | course |
| 14:44.11 | ndf | kk thx |
| 14:44.20 | ndf | so less to be swapped |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | damo: call your ISP |
| 14:44.27 | ndf | ok so 2gb will be plenty |
| 14:44.29 | ndf | i'll stick with that |
| 14:44.41 | damo | http://pastebin.com/m254b3ded |
| 14:44.47 | phorce1 | ndf: and you saw the list of crap I have running in 2G of ram. with 1.6G you'll not swap much at all |
| 14:44.48 | valdyn | ndf: you *can* run jobs that use all your ram |
| 14:44.49 | damo | can u see if i have 2 ips there pls? |
| 14:45.07 | valdyn | ndf: but just the usual gnome+iceweasel+some apps wont do that |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | damo: those are internal .. i doubt that's what you bought from your ISP .. call your ISP and ask them how to configure your modem/router .. this is not a Debian problem |
| 14:45.26 | damo | ok |
| 14:45.35 | valdyn | !free |
| 14:45.35 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 14:45.39 | valdyn | ndf: ^^^ |
| 14:45.46 | valdyn | oops |
| 14:45.50 | valdyn | !free ream |
| 14:45.51 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 14:45.52 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 14:45.56 | valdyn | ndf: ^^^ that one |
| 14:46.28 | ndf | yeah typically i'll have about 20 ffox tabs open, gnome, compiz, terminator and comky running |
| 14:46.37 | ndf | *conky |
| 14:47.31 | damo | is there a website i can use to see if i have both ips on my pc? |
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| 14:48.22 | phorce1 | so, according to 'free' --- with 2G of physical RAM and a BIG list of crap running, I still have over 1G of "free" RAM available |
| 14:48.37 | phorce1 | Mem: 2075188 2020904 54284 0 86812 949744 |
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| 14:49.54 | phorce1 | (last 4 numbers are "free", "shared", "buffers", "cache") |
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| 14:51.38 | ndf | ok so 2GB swap is enough for 2gb ram even f i need to hibernate? (am i missing somehing like hibernation being irrelevant to swap space?) |
| 14:51.54 | jelly | ndf: typically, yes |
| 14:52.36 | jelly | ndf: the usual hibernation device being your swap device, but it can be a file these days aiui |
| 14:52.50 | valdyn | uh |
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| 14:52.55 | abrotman | damo: those are internal .. i doubt that's what you bought from your ISP .. call your ISP and ask them how to configure your modem/router .. this is not a Debian problem |
| 14:53.02 | valdyn | hibernation to file probably only works using tuxonice |
| 14:53.03 | phorce1 | doesn't hibernate systems so the effects of it on RAM requirements are beyond him --- but, doesn't "hibernate" indicate saving to DISK, not RAM? |
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| 14:53.36 | valdyn | phorce1: you need to save ram+swap-buffers/cache to swap partition |
| 14:53.43 | phorce1 | slaps forehead -- we are discussing DISK usage -- ignore hime |
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| 14:53.48 | phorce1 | s/hime/him |
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| 14:54.06 | ndf | hm? |
| 14:54.24 | jelly | valdyn: I think uswsusp does both in lenny |
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| 14:55.12 | jelly | valdyn: /usr/share/doc/uswsusp/README.Debian says so! :-) |
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| 14:55.35 | jelly | has not tried whether it actually works |
| 14:56.08 | valdyn | jelly: ah neat |
| 14:56.23 | jelly | uswsusp also does compression by default |
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| 14:57.09 | jelly | ... it "helpfully" clears buffers/cache to save space, meaning your system is unusable for an additional minute after resume |
| 14:57.13 | phorce1 | should try setting up hibernate on this machine before he shuts it down to connect it back to the UPS later today |
| 14:57.30 | valdyn | jelly: thats not that bad |
| 14:57.43 | jelly | valdyn: tuxonice resume is _much_ more responsive |
| 14:57.52 | valdyn | jelly: i thought it cleared too? |
| 14:57.59 | valdyn | jelly: i just use tuxonice |
| 14:58.07 | jelly | valdyn: only if it must, afair |
| 14:58.12 | valdyn | I see |
| 14:58.41 | jelly | I use uswsusp these days since it requires no messing with kernel |
| 14:58.43 | valdyn | pretty clueless about the newer stuff, my setup is like from 2006 or older |
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| 15:00.02 | phorce1 | this machine I'm on right now looks for a "resume image" every time it boots so I suspect the installed kernel has already been tweaked for hibernation (lenny) |
| 15:00.34 | valdyn | phorce1: nah |
| 15:00.37 | jelly | phorce1: yes, the support has been available for a while (maybe two year) |
| 15:00.38 | valdyn | phorce1: no tweaking needed |
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| 15:01.25 | jelly | phorce1: if you don't have it already, installing uswsusp and doing "s2disk" should do the trick |
| 15:01.49 | jelly | phorce1: any binary drivers in use? |
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| 15:02.03 | phorce1 | valdyn: "tweaked" defined as having the bits added directly to kernel that are required for resuming --- none of my other "etch and earlier" machines look for a resume file at boot |
| 15:02.03 | hkais | hello |
| 15:02.05 | Phlogi | whats the quix fix for: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: ? I aborted a dist-upgrade |
| 15:02.05 | aronofsky | hi, a bit out of topic but dont know where to ask about that, do you guys know any tools to convert a given webpage to PDF ? |
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| 15:02.27 | hkais | sorry for bothering. How can i enable root-X11 on debian (univention) |
| 15:02.30 | Phlogi | aronofsky: google for html2pdf |
| 15:02.34 | jelly | aronofsky: hum. open in openoffice.org? |
| 15:02.40 | abrotman | hkais: you mean like logging in via kdm/gdm ? |
| 15:02.51 | hkais | yes |
| 15:02.58 | DGnome | aronofsky: html2pdf works for me :) |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | you shouldn't do that anyways |
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| 15:03.08 | hkais | optionally ssh -X |
| 15:03.21 | phorce1 | jelly: "suspend" --- "hibernate" ---- effectively the same thing? Returns to last state even afetr complete poweroff |
| 15:03.28 | hkais | abrotman: okay but x-export is also not available |
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| 15:03.38 | abrotman | nor should it be .. don't run X as root |
| 15:03.43 | XaeroOne | Hi guys |
| 15:03.54 | bittin^ | Hi |
| 15:04.02 | aronofsky | Phlogi: DGnome, only works for simple html file no ? What if you have PHP and stuff |
| 15:04.15 | jelly | phorce1: "suspend" by itself usually refers to suspending to ram, so, no |
| 15:04.24 | Phlogi | aronofsky: doesn't matter as php and stuff creates html in the end anyway |
| 15:04.25 | XaeroOne | I need to install linux into an existing NTFS partition (by creating another partition) but theres data on it |
| 15:04.27 | jelly | phorce1: suspend to disk ~ hibernate |
| 15:04.33 | XaeroOne | what is the best way to format it |
| 15:04.36 | Phlogi | what conf thing is using that ressource? /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 15:04.47 | phorce1 | jelly: ahhh -- thx. |
| 15:05.07 | phorce1 | never had use for suspend, even on the laptops |
| 15:05.12 | hkais | abrotman: i know, but I need to install a tool which needs X11 and root! |
| 15:05.18 | Phlogi | full output of my problem: http://rafb.net/p/kNfcN636.html |
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| 15:05.35 | abrotman | hkais: tried using sux? or something similar? |
| 15:05.38 | hkais | how can i X-Export via ssh or enable X11 login (kde/gdm)? |
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| 15:05.42 | XaeroOne | it is 40% full and disk defragmenter (winXP) shows that it is empty towards the end, is there any tool I can use to resize the partition? |
| 15:05.47 | hkais | abrotman: sux is not available :( |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | gksu ? |
| 15:06.02 | abrotman | hkais: are you trying to install oracle? |
| 15:06.06 | jelly | heh. |
| 15:06.12 | XaeroOne | I want to know if there are any recommendations? |
| 15:06.15 | hkais | abrotman: nearly funambol |
| 15:06.28 | abrotman | hkais: you could just try a startx as root ? |
| 15:06.36 | abrotman | instead of trying to use gdm/kdm/whatever |
| 15:06.36 | aronofsky | Phlogi, DGnome, will try it , it not packaged in debian ? |
| 15:06.42 | Phlogi | no idea |
| 15:06.50 | hkais | abrotman: i have only remote axx |
| 15:06.52 | kevin7kal | I have a bizarre situation. my caps lock key functionality is some how inverted. on makes lower case off is upper case. I'm guessing that logging out and logging in will probably reset it, but I'm interested in figuring out what my 2 year old actually did to accomplish this. |
| 15:07.03 | kevin7kal | any ideas? gnome-desktop, btw |
| 15:07.07 | abrotman | hkais: so why isn't sux available? |
| 15:07.27 | aronofsky | Phlogi, DGnome, oh its an online too ? |
| 15:07.29 | aronofsky | tool |
| 15:07.30 | hkais | abrotman: don#t know it is a modified univention... |
| 15:07.38 | abrotman | modified what? |
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| 15:08.29 | abrotman | univention ? |
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| 15:08.57 | moodhugs | . |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | university-developed distribution? unicyclers convention? |
| 15:09.12 | hkais | abrotman: how can i enable x-11/gdm login or enable ssh-x-export? Please do not ask me why the system is so really odd configured. It is, and i cannot change it |
| 15:09.48 | jelly | hkais: is this a debian installation? do you have root access? can you install additional packages? |
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| 15:11.39 | DGnome | aronofsky: it's not packaged in debian, you have to downlad it elsewhere |
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| 15:11.52 | hkais | jelly: it is a univention based on debian 4.0. I have root, but i have only a subset of the debian 4.0 packages available. A change of the repository could break the current setup... |
| 15:12.11 | abrotman | right .. so not Debian |
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| 15:12.15 | DGnome | aronofsky: and no, it's not just online, you get a binary that you can run from a shell |
| 15:12.26 | hkais | which are the /ETC files there i can enable root login? |
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| 15:12.50 | slayton | which of the debhelper scripts applies the patches in debian/patches when building a deb file? |
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| 15:13.43 | jelly | hkais: enabling remote XDMCP is a security risk, unless you have a VPN ot the machine. as for sshx, /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 15:14.01 | jelly | hkais: first make it work for a normal user |
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| 15:14.50 | jelly | hkais: btw, "univention" isn't an word I recognize. Maybe you meant distribution. |
| 15:15.05 | hkais | jelly: I know anyway i need it temporarily. |
| 15:15.59 | jelly | hkais: that's not really relevant to making it work; you can reverse the changes when you're done |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | jelly: it's some hacked up debian .. |
| 15:16.31 | abrotman | god knows what it actually is |
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| 15:17.06 | hkais | okay is nobody here who can tell me which files are relevant? I need it temporarily and nobody seems to help |
| 15:17.21 | jelly | hkais: have you done /msg dpkg sshx ? |
| 15:17.39 | hkais | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.44 | hkais | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.48 | DGnome | aronofsky: I could be wrong there though, bin a while since I've set up any new instances of html2pdf :) |
| 15:17.55 | jelly | hkais: lose the space at the beginning |
| 15:18.03 | jelly | !+tell hkais -about sshx |
| 15:18.03 | dpkg | told hkais about sshx. |
| 15:18.17 | jelly | hkais: the bot should have sent you a private message |
| 15:18.43 | hkais | sorry i missed it, too many open windows... |
| 15:19.03 | hkais | this is alredy set, there to enable xdmcp? |
| 15:19.35 | jelly | hkais: what is already set? |
| 15:19.51 | jelly | hkais: what is your native language? |
| 15:19.55 | hkais | x11forward in sshd |
| 15:19.56 | hkais | german |
| 15:19.59 | jelly | !de |
| 15:19.59 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 15:20.05 | DGnome | aronofsky: there are a few variants, this seems new and fresh: http://www.htmltopdf.org/demo |
| 15:20.17 | jelly | hkais: does it work with a normal user? |
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| 15:20.39 | jelly | hkais: can you run an X app from the remote machine when you ssh to it as a normal user? |
| 15:20.41 | hkais | jelly: yes |
| 15:20.56 | jelly | hkais: can you run an X app from the remote machine when you ssh to it as root@remote? |
| 15:21.12 | hkais | jelly: no |
| 15:21.28 | jelly | hkais: what is the exact and complete error you get? |
| 15:21.41 | jelly | hkais: use a pastebin if more than 3 lines |
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| 15:23.05 | hkais | jelly: thanks I enabled xdmcp now i can finish my task |
| 15:23.13 | hkais | now |
| 15:23.24 | hkais | jelly: thx |
| 15:23.25 | hkais | bye |
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| 15:23.37 | jelly | bye! |
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| 15:25.33 | jelly | abrotman: http://www.univention.de/ has an interesting title picture (might need a new reloads, it's randomized) |
| 15:26.23 | jelly | http://www.univention.de/fileadmin/menue_uebergreifend/startseite/anwender.gif |
| 15:27.06 | damo | what are some similar os`s like Ubuntu? |
| 15:27.07 | jelly | that's a frightening vendor. Or a constipated one, can't be sure |
| 15:27.21 | abrotman | damo: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:27.41 | damo | this is a Debian channel;p |
| 15:28.06 | damo | and Ubuntu is debain |
| 15:28.09 | damo | so... |
| 15:28.12 | jelly | damo: nope. |
| 15:28.16 | jelly | !ubuntu |
| 15:28.16 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 15:28.57 | jelly | damo: this channel is devoted to providing support for Debian users' questions, not general chat about Debian |
| 15:29.33 | jelly | damo: perhaps #debian-offtopic would have some suggestions |
| 15:29.38 | delsvr | Hi, could someone help me with an Apache HTTP configuration here? I've described it here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=34645 |
| 15:30.08 | delsvr | *HTTP configuration issue |
| 15:30.32 | bofur | i'm soooooo gay |
| 15:30.55 | stew | bofur: please keep it on-topic. do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:31.06 | newsense | whats debian ? |
| 15:31.31 | newsense | ive contributed a debian related question :) |
| 15:31.43 | RichiH | i've contributed a kline |
| 15:31.51 | newsense | gimme a G |
| 15:31.53 | jelly | delsvr: it looks more like a network issue tbh. Do you have any iptables rules in effect? |
| 15:32.11 | delsvr | jelly, I don't even have iptables installed |
| 15:32.16 | streuner_ | newsense: what kind of crap do you smoke? |
| 15:32.23 | damo | weed?? |
| 15:32.27 | newsense | im on new medication so i cant smoke atm |
| 15:32.32 | jelly | wonders is someone has stolen newsense's account |
| 15:32.38 | newsense | just started it an hour ago sorry |
| 15:32.54 | delsvr | jelly, er, well I don't think I do. I think it's a kernel process but I don't have an iptables binary |
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| 15:33.02 | streuner_ | newsense: what kind? |
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| 15:33.05 | damo | lol |
| 15:33.06 | stoned | no I |
| 15:33.07 | delsvr | jelly, it's a fairly new installation of plain lenny |
| 15:33.08 | stoned | not* |
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| 15:34.51 | jelly | delsvr: pastebin your ifconfig -a |
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| 15:36.20 | jelly | delsvr: is the server publicly accessible, and if it is, what's the address? |
| 15:36.20 | rbd | hi. I have a script that uses "dpkg -i" to install some custom (local) packages. this will reinstall the package even if the same version/packaging is already installed. is there a way to only install if the package isn't present or if the packages version is newer than what's on the system already? |
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| 15:37.29 | delsvr | jelly, chineseon.net |
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| 15:39.21 | jelly | delsvr: nothing comes back from your machine |
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| 15:39.40 | jelly | delsvr: using tcpdump, I only see SYNs sent |
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| 15:40.14 | jelly | delsvr: in contrast, telnet chineseon.net 22 works nicely |
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| 15:40.47 | delsvr | jelly, yup, I've noticed the same behavior |
| 15:40.51 | jelly | delsvr: I suspect an evil firewall somewhere in between; tried using some port other than :80? |
| 15:41.04 | delsvr | jelly, I've tried 8080 but that doesn't work either |
| 15:41.30 | jelly | delsvr: what about an unusual one? |
| 15:41.42 | ^shark_ | i am running iptables 1.3.6 in etch, i also have my eth0(internet) natted by the ISP from 192.168.4.15 to 41.222.4.65 but for some reason, I am not able to ssh to this 41.222.4.65 from any location! This is my iptables-save >> http://pastebin.com/m39d89abe |
| 15:41.52 | ^shark_ | I am also running apache2 but i dont see the default page when i http://192.168.1.1 from my LAN, i can only see the default apache page when i http://192.168.1.1:8080 |
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| 15:42.34 | delsvr | jelly, I'll give it a shot |
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| 15:44.26 | jelly | delsvr: you could run something like "tcpdump -ni eth0 -s 65535 -w /tmp/port80.pcap tcp port 80", try accessing from outside a number of times, then ctrl-c the tcpdump and upload the resulting pcap file somewhere? |
| 15:44.53 | bbinotto | hi, is there a very low-level way to view the content of a file, without using "cat" or anything? |
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| 15:45.58 | abrotman | bbinotto: what's wrong with cat? |
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| 15:46.04 | abrotman | votes for tac :) |
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| 15:46.16 | bbinotto | abrotman: it was removed on a brokem server |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | use busybox ? |
| 15:46.44 | bbinotto | abrotman: busybox? |
| 15:46.44 | stew | bbinotto: man 3 fopen ; man 2 read ; ? |
| 15:46.44 | jelly | delsvr: ask your provider about any filtering they might be doing for HTTP traffic; dunno |
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| 15:47.17 | delsvr | jelly, chineseon.net:49152? |
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| 15:47.25 | jelly | heh. |
| 15:47.28 | stew | bbinotto: while read a ; do echo $a ; done < file ? |
| 15:47.46 | jelly | delsvr: did you have an 8bit home computer as a kid? |
| 15:47.48 | newsense1 | nice |
| 15:47.49 | thereddot | hrrr.. i'm using lenny, iceweasel 3.0.4 and the flash 10 plugin... hd videos in flash are ridiculously slow.. is that normal? 'cause with iceweasel 2.0.3 it was the same thing... |
| 15:47.57 | newsense1 | never set a ban by nick alone |
| 15:48.00 | delsvr | lol |
| 15:48.13 | newsense1 | dont ban me again not being a smart ass :) |
| 15:48.26 | jelly | delsvr: HEAD http://...:49152/ works fine |
| 15:48.27 | abrotman | you're evading a ban now |
| 15:48.38 | newsense1 | no i wanted to help shark so i had to |
| 15:48.38 | bbinotto | stew: WOW thank you!! |
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| 15:49.08 | delsvr | jelly, lan.iskon.hr? |
| 15:49.16 | jelly | delsvr: that's me, yes |
| 15:49.34 | delsvr | jelly, so it looks like the isp is blocking http ports? |
| 15:49.38 | jelly | delsvr: opens in a browser, too |
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| 15:50.36 | delsvr | jelly, damn my isp--they specifically advertise 80/8080 being open |
| 15:50.37 | jelly | delsvr: or filtering in a bad way; I've seen "http inspect" option on Cisco boxes produce similar symptoms |
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| 15:51.04 | jelly | delsvr: they sure seem ot be tampering with it somehow |
| 15:51.05 | amee2k | is it a problem if my home directory is a symlink? |
| 15:51.26 | delsvr | jelly, alright, well at least I know what to do now |
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| 15:51.30 | delsvr | jelly, thanks very much |
| 15:51.34 | jelly | cheers |
| 15:53.02 | amee2k | i'd like to keep my home dir on another partition, but not put all of /home there. so i'd like to mount it as /media/something and after the installation is through link /home/user -> /media/something/user_home |
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| 15:54.21 | amee2k | or should i rather go for a mount --bind? |
| 15:54.35 | dar_ | elo |
| 15:54.36 | dar_ | i m trying to enable a strong verification using cracklib&pam about my password |
| 15:54.42 | dar_ | the problem is that now it works (i have a warning) but i can anyway enter the bad password :( |
| 15:54.50 | dar_ | i have installed pamcracklib |
| 15:55.06 | dar_ | and uncommenetd the last two lines of /etc/pamd/common-password |
| 15:56.07 | newsense1 | whats recommended to encrypt a partition ? |
| 15:56.11 | jelly | delsvr: fwiw, a nmap -vvO yourip: http://paste.debian.net/25608/ |
| 15:57.58 | Hoxzer | n |
| 15:58.08 | amee2k | newsense1: i had good results with cryptsetup in the past, but there also is encfs which i haven't tried personally though. people say cryptoloop is flawed and not recommended for new deployments |
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| 15:59.28 | amee2k | cryptsetup has the advantage that it is an encrypting wrapper around block devices so you can encrypt any block device and use any file system you like. also it appears to use a somehow standardized format to store encrypted data |
| 15:59.55 | newsense1 | cool never done encryption before |
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| 16:00.07 | delsvr` | jelly, on the phone with isp now |
| 16:00.48 | amee2k | it is quite easy if you go for the LUKS thing. or google for cryptsetup howto or something :) |
| 16:02.02 | delsvr` | jelly, well--they reset my modem and now the port is open |
| 16:02.13 | jelly | heh |
| 16:03.00 | delsvr` | not much of an explanation |
| 16:03.01 | delsvr` | oh well |
| 16:03.03 | delsvr` | thanks again mate |
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| 16:08.30 | liquidhex | hey |
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| 16:14.29 | Knight_Lord | update-grub seems to be changing the #groot option. What can I do to avoid this? |
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| 16:25.35 | pif | how can I prevent a process from using more than, say, 2G RAM ? |
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| 16:25.54 | pif | and have it killed when over that limit |
| 16:25.58 | alcohol | set up a monitoring tool |
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| 16:26.48 | alcohol | pif: quick google result; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/269 |
| 16:27.39 | pif | interesting |
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| 16:28.13 | alcohol | the apache2 example probably contains what you seek |
| 16:28.27 | pif | doesn't require python, ruby or other crap language, good |
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| 16:28.38 | jelly | ulimit? |
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| 16:29.18 | pif | jelly: i've been considering ulimit, but failed to understand how to limit memory |
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| 16:30.11 | jelly | pif: -m and -d look vaguely relevant |
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| 16:31.14 | pif | what's the diff between 'data seg' and 'resident' ? |
| 16:31.16 | Nigromante | Hello world |
| 16:31.58 | pif | say I have 4G RAM and no swap, what ulimit conf can I use to avoid any process taking more than 2G ? |
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| 16:36.42 | stoned- | yeh i screwed up big time |
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| 16:37.01 | stoned- | now I can't get into my server and I'm already 2 hours away upstate at a clients |
| 16:37.04 | stoned- | :( |
| 16:38.05 | stoned- | and I NEED to get into the server but after reflashing my new firmware on the router, I forgot to add some rules, I can still see my http server on port 80 without a problem, but I think port 22 is locked. Is there any magical way I can try to get in? |
| 16:38.09 | stoned- | :( |
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| 16:39.54 | wd_ | liable: gooood morning. |
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| 16:41.53 | wd_ | liable: been up all night. omg. i think my issue is etch with 2.6 kernel just won't run on the toshiba 400cs... i'm thinking memory. |
| 16:42.03 | _Cid | stoned: can you access the router via port 80 ? ;-) |
| 16:42.09 | wd_ | hey guys can etch run on a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 16:42.44 | stew | wd_: its possible, but unsupported, and some things are known to now work in etch with a 2.4 kernel, notably, mysql and postfix don't work |
| 16:42.50 | stew | wd_: lenny won't be at all usable with 2.4 |
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| 16:44.15 | wd_ | stew: ok. |
| 16:44.44 | stoned- | _Cid, no 80 is forwarded to my server, which I didn't forget to do becuase I'm hosting these applications while I work on them on my personal server and I demo them here |
| 16:44.59 | stoned- | and I need to make some changes to the code and I can't beucase I can't get into my server |
| 16:45.03 | emilyg | I have a v4l cameria, skype aparently only likes v4l2 webcams. Ive looked all over for a way to get skyp to read the v4l only webcams but cant find anything..anyone have this problem? |
| 16:45.06 | stoned- | I'm fucked, I drove two fuckin hours here |
| 16:45.07 | stoned- | :( |
| 16:45.22 | stoned- | well whatever, today just got fucked. |
| 16:45.40 | emilyg | why cant you get into your server? |
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| 16:45.55 | stoned- | I didn't forward port 22 to my devel box |
| 16:45.57 | stoned- | :/ |
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| 16:46.03 | stoned- | so i can't get in to it to edit code |
| 16:46.21 | sepski | stoned- can't you ssh via your router? |
| 16:46.24 | stoned- | I thought I did after I upgraded my firmware the other day because I was having connection problems |
| 16:46.30 | cahoot | emilyg: can't expect any skype support here |
| 16:46.51 | emilyg | ya cahoot i just figured id ask |
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| 16:47.33 | stoned- | sepski , I wish. I can't initiate a connection I'm blocked by my firewall and I forgot to add a rule to forward 22 to my devel box |
| 16:48.01 | sepski | why ipv6 can't get here fast enough :) |
| 16:48.09 | stoned- | exactly |
| 16:48.14 | stoned- | *sigh* |
| 16:48.20 | sepski | do you have web and ftp to it ? |
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| 16:48.34 | sepski | or webdav even |
| 16:48.37 | stoned- | ohohoh awww no... I forgot to forward 21 |
| 16:48.38 | stoned- | no |
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| 16:49.20 | sepski | then you'r about done for :s unless you have scripts with holes... |
| 16:49.29 | sepski | not sure that would be a good or a bad thing :) |
| 16:52.01 | sepski | stoned-, perhaps you have a site that allow you a secure way to upload files then you can use phpshell. |
| 16:52.18 | valdyn | pif: on debian/i386 ? |
| 16:52.57 | pif | valdyn: on amd64 |
| 16:53.24 | wd_ | liable: just wanted to say thankyou for being so dedicated and sticking with me a looong time last night..and the others as well.. thanks guys. |
| 16:54.32 | moodhugs | hi. if grub is overwritten by another boot manager how do i reinstall it? |
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| 16:55.03 | valdyn | pif: i cant see that option in /etc/security/limits.conf, but processes can also easily get around such a limit using mmap |
| 16:56.36 | sepski | !fixmbr |
| 16:56.37 | dpkg | To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your Debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
| 16:56.50 | wd_ | guys i might have to put a early 2.6 kernel on etch to run on a laptop with only 40meg ram and a classic pentium, i'm thinking 2.6.0.. do i need any special tools to compile a kernel in debian.. like in gentoo / slack i just make menuconfig/make && make modules install/upgrade grub/lilo reboot? i've read something about mkpkg or something. |
| 16:57.12 | valdyn | wd_: whats the point in using an early 2.6 version? |
| 16:57.31 | pif | valdyn: say I have 4G RAM and no swap, what ulimit setting can I use to avoid any process taking more than 2G ? |
| 16:57.50 | pif | sorry wrong paste |
| 16:57.54 | valdyn | pif: i dont see how that is possible at all |
| 16:58.11 | pif | even 'memlock' ? |
| 16:58.31 | wd_ | valdyn: toshiba 400cs laptop = 40meg ram/2g hd/pentium classic.. had sarge on it & ran sweet.. etch won't even boot, stops at savedefault on kernel loading. |
| 16:58.31 | valdyn | pif: maybe that one - as - address space limit (KB) |
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| 16:59.02 | alcohol | pif: http://mmonit.com/monit/ - easy and extendible |
| 16:59.18 | valdyn | wd_: savedefault is something that grub does, so the kernel is not even loaded |
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| 17:01.37 | wd_ | valdyn: i popped the laptop hd out and back in the desktop (pII 350mhz 256meg ram) and it boots perfect and run. so you think it's a grub issue? |
| 17:02.00 | valdyn | wd_: the debian kernels already ship an initrd that might be to big |
| 17:02.47 | valdyn | wd_: so maybe you need a custom kernel, but you certainly dont need an ancient kernel |
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| 17:03.31 | valdyn | wd_: debian is not the right distro for such a system |
| 17:03.37 | wd_ | valdyn: get out. so all this time i could have just compiled a vanilla kernel? |
| 17:03.51 | valdyn | wd_: basic tools will have issues running on just 40M of ram |
| 17:04.03 | ronr | how serious is the advice to reboot asap considering udev (I just upgraded a system I shouldn't reboot right now as I can't afford it not coming back now), can it wait a few weeks? |
| 17:04.04 | valdyn | wd_: yea |
| 17:04.31 | valdyn | ronr: youre being vague, show the complete message |
| 17:04.56 | valdyn | ronr: on a server you do not need udev functionality at all once /dev/ exists and is fine |
| 17:05.06 | wd_ | valdyn: well i have the hd pluged into my ide adapter running on the PII so that should be ok right? i can then pull it and pop it in the laptop and reboot? |
| 17:05.23 | valdyn | wd_: yes |
| 17:05.48 | valdyn | wd_: a trimmed down kernel will not work on both systems |
| 17:05.54 | ronr | Preparing to replace udev 0.105-4 (using .../archives/udev_0.125-7_i386.deb) ... |
| 17:05.54 | ronr | A reboot is needed, but proceeding with the upgrade. |
| 17:06.01 | ronr | valdyn: that's the message |
| 17:06.12 | valdyn | ronr: ignore it |
| 17:06.23 | ronr | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:06.58 | valdyn | ronr: maybe you are installing a udev that will not work with your currently used kernel |
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| 17:07.12 | valdyn | ronr: but thats ok unless udev is restarted |
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| 17:07.22 | valdyn | ronr: and even then its ok as long as /dev/ contents stay |
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| 17:08.17 | ronr | valdyn: as, I see, thx |
| 17:08.43 | wd_ | valdyn: so what do you have to offer for people with Pentium classics / 40meg ram systems besides a shotgun? :) i had sarge on there fine..but the floppy netinstall keeps failing and liable helped me by having me put the deb sources.list manually but that worked once and failed again. |
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| 17:09.10 | klync_ | i just added a new source to apt; is there a way to get a listing of all the pkgs available on my system from that source? |
| 17:09.14 | wd_ | valdyn: slackare worked but ....well and gentoo forget it. |
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| 17:09.26 | valdyn | wd_: this is just about the kernel |
| 17:09.30 | joh | Hi, how do I disable local mail delivery in exim4? All my mail is handled by google apps, but mail to my domain sent from exim delivered locally and not to google. |
| 17:09.31 | wd_ | valdyn: debian runs on a darn toaster.. lol |
| 17:09.32 | valdyn | wd_: use custom kernel |
| 17:09.34 | stew | i run etch on a pentium classic with 40 megs of ram |
| 17:09.40 | stew | oh, actually i have 48 |
| 17:09.46 | valdyn | wd_: you can have multiple kernels installed |
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| 17:10.13 | valdyn | wd_: one for the bigger system, one without initrd and all drivers you need compiled in for the small system |
| 17:10.15 | wd_ | valdyn: custom? |
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| 17:10.22 | wd_ | valdyn: oh |
| 17:10.24 | valdyn | wd_: custom = selfmade |
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| 17:10.32 | carecapop | hi |
| 17:10.52 | wd_ | stew: what kernel are you using? |
| 17:10.56 | carecapop | i have one iomega nas 100d |
| 17:11.05 | valdyn | wd_: debians initrd is like 8MB compressed, i can see that makeing problems on very small systems |
| 17:11.06 | carecapop | but i need some suport to transform this |
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| 17:11.16 | valdyn | wd_: and the kernel itself is a few mb too, uncompressed |
| 17:11.16 | wd_ | valdyn: oh |
| 17:11.17 | carecapop | can someone say the irc chanel |
| 17:11.51 | carecapop | to confuse on nslu2-linux |
| 17:12.38 | valdyn | !dsl |
| 17:12.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux @ irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 17:12.46 | valdyn | wd_: or use something not debian like ^^ |
| 17:13.04 | stew | wd_: 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 17:13.20 | moodhugs | hi, my networking is not working. the dns lookups are all failing but pinging network is fine. how do i fix dns? |
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| 17:14.03 | carecapop | For further help, try asking on the #debonaras IRC channel on irc.freenode.net |
| 17:14.04 | wd_ | valdyn: ok. something else but sarge worked man.. darn. |
| 17:14.06 | wd_ | stew: ok |
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| 17:14.35 | wd_ | valdyn: can i just comment out the initrd in grub and reboot for laptop? |
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| 17:14.40 | valdyn | wd_: initrd size grows as linux gets more hardware drivers, unfortunately |
| 17:14.58 | valdyn | wd_: um, no, the drivers for anything are in the initrd |
| 17:15.22 | valdyn | wd_: but you can try that just too see if the kernel will load |
| 17:15.32 | valdyn | wd_: just dont expect it to find the harddisk |
| 17:15.40 | wd_ | valdyn: :) |
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| 17:16.02 | wd_ | valdyn: darnit... where's sarge when you need it? :) |
| 17:16.15 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 17:16.15 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ |
| 17:16.29 | valdyn | !archive |
| 17:16.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 17:16.55 | jelly | wd_: if you want a slimmer kernel, you'll have to build it yourself and compile-in just the drivers you need |
| 17:18.23 | kd8ikt | having fun valdyn ? |
| 17:18.42 | wd_ | jelly: ok, i think compiling in debian is a little diff frm gentoo/slack.. in them i just make menuconfig/make && make modules install/grub or lilo/ reboot... do i need the mkpkg step ? |
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| 17:19.03 | klync_ | wd_: it's nice to use make-kpkg so apt knows what you've got |
| 17:19.06 | moodhugs | since i upgraded to lenny, my networking doesn't work. but sometimes it does, and right now just dns isn't working. how do i just configure it manually? |
| 17:19.06 | jelly | wd_: both will work, but the former will leave your kernel unpackaged |
| 17:19.39 | jelly | wd_: debian doesn't make a fuss about it being unpackaged, though |
| 17:19.40 | wd_ | jelly: ok i better read on the make-kpkg step. |
| 17:19.47 | wd_ | jelly: ok |
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| 17:22.49 | carpeliam | how do i find out which version of a particular piece of software would be installed by apt-get |
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| 17:23.08 | carpeliam | i want to install monit, but i'm not sure what version debian uses |
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| 17:23.59 | stew | carpeliam: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 17:24.42 | carpeliam | stew, thanks |
| 17:24.42 | wd_ | pretty accurate for building kernel in deb? http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 17:24.48 | apostle | when sending transferring data it seems that the sending machine is being flooded with ping request.....Is there any method for turning this off? |
| 17:24.56 | Supaplex | eh? etch has not debug build of mysql-server-5.0 ? faaaaahh |
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| 17:25.55 | wd_ | valdyn: pretty accurate for building kernel in deb? http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 17:26.15 | wd_ | make-kpkg is awesome! omg.. debian is too kind. :) |
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| 17:26.52 | Supaplex | wd_: if it's using kp, most likely. /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:26.56 | slayton | Does anybody know what script/program applies the patches in debian/patches when debuild is run? |
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| 17:27.32 | wd_ | omg.. That's it. The GRUB bootloader configuration file /boot/grub/menu.lst has been modified automatically, and a ramdisk for the new kernel has been create in /boot. |
| 17:27.38 | wd_ | are you serious? :) |
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| 17:27.57 | koollman | slayton: I guess it's patch, or some higher level script calling patch |
| 17:28.12 | scorphus | hello, dpkg is such a helpful thing, thanks for it. I'd like to know what engine runs it. thanks =) |
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| 17:28.45 | wd_ | Supaplex: ok. |
| 17:28.55 | slayton | koollman: hmm... do you know where I can read the docs about applying patches during build? Can I just dump my patch into debian/patches or does the patch need to be listed somewhere, have a certain name? |
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| 17:30.22 | koollman | slayton: I don't know, but I'm pretty sure there are extensive documentation about package building on debian.org (in the 'developers' section) |
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| 17:30.52 | riz_ | I remember in debian there is an utility for get the .pm (perl) and transform it to a deb package |
| 17:31.01 | Eulex | are passwords on debian salted before being hashed? |
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| 17:31.12 | riz_ | but I forget the name of this utility |
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| 17:37.03 | ukatan | hello, I want to write a small bash snippet to execute a command on a group of files. |
| 17:37.17 | ukatan | I know I need a for loop, but aside from that the syntax is lost on me |
| 17:37.52 | ukatan | specifically, I'm using mkvextract to demux subtitles from .mkv files |
| 17:38.33 | ukatan | so it's of the form: mkvextract tracks %filename 4:%filename.srt |
| 17:38.33 | asg | ukatan: #bash can help |
| 17:38.37 | ukatan | k, thanks |
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| 17:39.10 | adama_ | ukatan: ls /path/to/files |while read file do; mkvextract tracks $file 4:$file.srt ;done |
| 17:39.25 | ukatan | thank you! |
| 17:39.34 | ukatan | for loop, what was I thinking. |
| 17:39.40 | adama_ | sorry |
| 17:39.47 | adama_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.00 | adama_ | ls /path/to/files |while read file; do mkv... |
| 17:40.05 | riz_ | it is called dh-make-perl |
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| 17:42.31 | superlinux | hi guys |
| 17:42.41 | Ace2016_- | hi |
| 17:42.59 | superlinux | my system just locked up |
| 17:43.08 | superlinux | total freezing |
| 17:43.26 | eject_ck | superlinux: hardware issue ? |
| 17:43.38 | superlinux | i cannot tell |
| 17:44.05 | adama_ | superlinux: ctrl-alt-F2 ? ssh in? ping? |
| 17:44.20 | Ace2016_- | superlinux: how are the cpu temps in bios? and have you ran memtest86+? |
| 17:44.54 | Ace2016_- | superlinux: did dmesg tell you anything? how is the smart data on the hard drives? |
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| 17:46.11 | superlinux | i always get a message in sys log : Jan 10 03:31:54 localhost syslogd 1.5.0#5: restart. |
| 17:46.11 | superlinux | Jan 10 03:26:52 localhost last message repeated 4 times |
| 17:46.11 | superlinux | Jan 10 03:25:52 localhost last message repeated 5 times |
| 17:46.11 | superlinux | Jan 10 03:24:48 localhost last message repeated 4 times |
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| 17:46.26 | superlinux | sorry |
| 17:47.00 | superlinux | i just copied the important lines at the time the lockup happened |
| 17:47.13 | gjorge | Hello all, Im trying to set up IPsec in debian etch, and I've some problems. When I try to run racoon (racoon -f /etc/racoon/racoon.conf), Im getting the following error: " racoon: failed to parse configuration file.", but my configuration file is ok. I tried to mv racoon.conf to racoon.conf.old, and I get the same error! This problem doesnt looks like a configuration problem... Any idea? |
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| 17:47.52 | superlinux | the system i have is HP proliant ML150 server. |
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| 17:49.07 | jelly | superlinux: which generation ML150? Does it have iLO? |
| 17:49.19 | superlinux | 1st generation |
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| 17:49.48 | superlinux | i even dont know how to control the fans |
| 17:50.10 | superlinux | this system i use it as a desktop |
| 17:50.32 | jelly | superlinux: a P3 CPU? |
| 17:50.46 | superlinux | i found it a cheap way to learn server hardware |
| 17:51.19 | superlinux | Xeon 2.8G x 2 CPU 2U |
| 17:51.33 | jelly | that might be a G2, though |
| 17:51.42 | superlinux | ah ok |
| 17:52.03 | superlinux | then i'll browse g2 for drivers |
| 17:52.27 | jelly | first figure out exactly which model you have |
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| 17:53.09 | NoReGreT | I got flash installed, but flash related stuff aren't working... e.g. youtube, the video is just blank, what's the deal ? |
| 17:53.55 | superlinux | Xeon 2xCPU, 1GB RAM, SCSI CAGE |
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| 18:04.50 | superlinux | jelly, it's HP server G1 |
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| 18:04.59 | superlinux | jelly, http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=372786&prodTypeId=15351&prodSeriesId=372786&objectID=c00348386 |
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| 18:05.58 | mythrookie | how stupid would you rate the idea of setting my source list to unstable for splashy and afterward setting it back to etch between 1 and 10 where 10 is most stupid ? |
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| 18:06.53 | mythrookie | it fopped my system in the ear :D |
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| 18:08.32 | jelly | mythrookie: you'd be very sorry after that |
| 18:08.56 | jelly | mythrookie: something like an 7 or 8 |
| 18:09.21 | jelly | mythrookie: /msg dpkg backports, and if there's no backport ready, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 18:12.35 | mythrookie | thank you jelly |
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| 18:23.20 | Xjs | hi, does anyone know how to make the debian installer (netinst) recognize SATA drives? |
| 18:23.43 | Eulex | it does |
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| 18:24.07 | Xjs | a friend of mine is just trying to install Debian on his machine, and it doesn't for him |
| 18:24.18 | Eulex | it may not recognize your exact SATA controller, tho, but it recognizes many, but not some of the latest ones |
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| 18:25.09 | Eulex | Xjs, you can either try one of kmuto's installers (/msg dpkg kmuto) or the lenny beta installer |
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| 18:25.34 | stew | Xjs: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 18:25.45 | Xjs | just checking, yeah |
| 18:25.49 | Xjs | thanks Eulex and stew |
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| 18:26.18 | Eulex | ah, right, etchnhalf has an installer |
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| 18:26.38 | stew | Eulex: yeah, and its the lenny beta installer |
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| 18:29.06 | chris081 | Hi. I am about to install the GNU/Debian OS on my cpu. But as i readed from everywhere, lots of pages tell that this is most designed to make my computer actin as a server. I don't want to install a server. I just want to install a client. Should i still use Debian or should i use another distribution? And which one? |
| 18:29.49 | zamuro | chris081: first experience with gnu/linux? |
| 18:30.42 | Xjs | btw, my friend's SATA controller is a VIA VT8237 |
| 18:30.49 | chris081 | nah, 10 years in the past i've used it, but this was very basic: installing, setting some used, and configuring a graphical desktop. This was a learning course from the high school |
| 18:31.24 | Xjs | chris081: actually, debian is a very pure linux distribution. It's fine for desktop PCs however |
| 18:31.27 | adama_ | chris081: Debian is fine as a workstation OS |
| 18:31.29 | zamuro | many things changed ever since. |
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| 18:31.42 | Xjs | with pure, I mean, it's compliant to standards and all that stuff ;_) |
| 18:32.08 | zamuro | But you can use ir as a workstation as well. Possibilities are endless. |
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| 18:32.12 | XaeroOne | does anyone know how to enable timestamps in xchat? |
| 18:32.17 | zamuro | s/ir/it |
| 18:32.46 | ecraven | hello ;) how can i prevent usbhid claiming a device? i know the usb vendor/product ids, and i don't want usbhid to claim exactly that device (but any others are ok) |
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| 18:34.36 | chris081 | ok. thanks. Here's another question for you. I bought a network card from a store. The box tolds that it is linux compatible. I'm trying to install it. Didn't worked, so i just opened the setup files and it is written that the file has been wrote for RedHat. Is there a way to make that file being compatible with GNU/Debian ? |
| 18:35.00 | valdyn | chris081: wired network interface? |
| 18:35.10 | chris081 | yes |
| 18:35.17 | valdyn | chris081: get the pci id |
| 18:35.52 | valdyn | chris081: look the pci id up at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules/modules.pcimap |
| 18:36.05 | valdyn | chris081: if its there then your current kernel supports it already |
| 18:36.34 | valdyn | chris081: its pretty hard to buy a wired network card that is not already support by linux |
| 18:37.00 | valdyn | chris081: and certainly you dont need a vendor supplied driver usually |
| 18:37.20 | Xjs | XaeroOne: this belongs to #xchat - however check the preferences -> Interface -> Text box |
| 18:37.39 | valdyn | chris081: rhel like debian releases stable versions very rarely, therefore that vendor supplied driver is likely a driver that is already in newer linux kernels |
| 18:37.42 | Xjs | XaeroOne: there's a checkbox "Timestamp Text" (at least in my Xchat release) |
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| 18:39.19 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 18:39.20 | dpkg | driver locator is probably To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 18:39.29 | valdyn | chris081: ^^^ might be helpful |
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| 18:41.38 | XaeroOne | I got it thanks xjs |
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| 18:41.48 | Xjs | no problem |
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| 18:43.07 | chris081 | ok. thanks. i'm gonna try out this later. currently, i'm using Windows (don't ban me, please!) because i have only one pc, but i have 2 HD, so using this way, i'm able to come into the internet and ask for question. |
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| 18:43.34 | valdyn | chris081: you can use everest on windows to find pci ids |
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| 18:44.27 | chris081 | btw what do you mean by pci id ? is it the same as an IRQ ? |
| 18:44.40 | valdyn | !pciid |
| 18:44.41 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. |
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| 18:45.11 | valdyn | chris081: devices are identified by that id |
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| 18:45.22 | chris081 | !pciid |
| 18:45.22 | dpkg | To locate the kernel module(s) supporting your hardware, run lspci -nn, and ask me about <pciid 00:1b.0 Audio device ... [8086:284b] ...> Where [8086:284b] is the vendor+device id of your hardware. Results should be similar to <hcl>, but uses your local /lib/modules/*/modules.alias to guess. Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. |
| 18:45.40 | zhangsoft | :q |
| 18:45.49 | jelly | !pciid 14e4:167b |
| 18:46.03 | jelly | !pciid [14e4:167b] |
| 18:46.03 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 14e4:167b | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 18:46.13 | jelly | ooh. |
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| 18:46.27 | chris081 | !pciid [7000:70FF] |
| 18:46.27 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 7000:70FF | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 18:46.28 | valdyn | neat |
| 18:46.42 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 18:47.08 | oOarthurOo | Hi, I thought I'd check out microsoft's new fonts, like Cambria and calibri, but they look awful. Not even antialiased. Are they designed only for MS cleartype? |
| 18:47.08 | valdyn | chris081: thats not a real pci id, is it? |
| 18:47.23 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: nah |
| 18:47.26 | jelly | there is no vendor 7000! |
| 18:47.36 | jelly | (in the pci.ids file) |
| 18:47.50 | oOarthurOo | I'm using native not autohinting... would switching to autohinted improve them? At the cost of ruining my native linux fonts? |
| 18:48.16 | chris081 | seriously, i don't have any ideas where to find the pci id using windows. As jelly wrote something, i tought i was able to find in the Hardware Properties Page of Windows |
| 18:48.34 | valdyn | chris081: i told you, the program is called "everest" |
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| 18:49.01 | chris081 | ok, thanks. wait a few, i need to go to the washroom |
| 18:49.21 | oOarthurOo | I've switched over to autohinting using dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config ... I'll restart 'x' and see if the fonts look better. |
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| 18:49.43 | valdyn | gah, whats the point in restarting X |
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| 18:50.22 | jelly | chris081: you can dig in device manager, then each device properties, but that's painful |
| 18:50.40 | jelly | usable for a single device though |
| 18:50.52 | amine | I was just on efnet in #debian and it was weird.. anyways, I edited /etc/inetd.conf manually and need to tell inetd to reload the config, how do I do this? |
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| 18:51.16 | wd__ | for a basic install of etch with build essentials and can i use just cd 1? |
| 18:51.54 | abrotman | chris081: IIRC it's in the Device Manager |
| 18:52.00 | jelly | chris081: device manager -> find the device -> properties -> advanced tab |
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| 18:52.15 | moldy | hi |
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| 18:53.06 | abrotman | jelly: Details tab ? |
| 18:53.08 | oOarthurOo | well... autohinted did nothing but make all my fonts blurry. But I've discovered it's only two fonts that are ugly / choppy what-have-you. Other fonts from Vista look ok in openoffice. |
| 18:53.25 | jelly | chris081: my virtual xp shows eg. Hardware Ids of ... PCI\VEN_1022 ... DEV_2000 |
| 18:53.35 | moldy | is there a howto somewhere on how to (locally) patch a debian package? |
| 18:53.36 | jelly | abrotman: right |
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| 18:53.39 | Eulex | ugh. what fonts did you say you were using? |
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| 18:53.47 | abrotman | jelly: you said Advanced tab |
| 18:53.55 | jelly | abrotman: my bad! |
| 18:54.00 | abrotman | !fire jelly |
| 18:54.00 | dpkg | I'm sorry, jelly, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 18:54.11 | Eulex | I suggest bitstream vera sans, it's wonderful. |
| 18:54.17 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: Vista's new fonts. I've read online that a lot of research went into making them exceptionally good for long periods of reading on the screen. I thought I'd try them out. |
| 18:54.24 | jelly | chris081: that's [1022:2000] for you |
| 18:54.28 | valdyn | Eulex: for print? |
| 18:54.44 | Eulex | valdyn, ah, not that perhaps |
| 18:54.51 | Eulex | never tried tho |
| 18:54.58 | jelly | Eulex: DejaVu has all the funky characters, and often fixed kerning pairs |
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| 18:55.09 | Eulex | jelly, that's true |
| 18:55.40 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, oh well, I guess that's what you needed truetype hinting for? |
| 18:55.43 | stoned | ok back home |
| 18:55.49 | Eulex | did you get that issue resolved? |
| 18:56.03 | stoned | Eulex, yeh maybe you can |
| 18:56.06 | stoned | Eulex, er.. advise me too |
| 18:56.26 | stoned | Eulex, when I install msttcorefonts, none of them are anti-aliased or 'font smothing' smoothed |
| 18:56.29 | stoned | what gives |
| 18:56.46 | stoned | I have enabled hinting always in fontconfig-config |
| 18:56.48 | jelly | stoned: which app? |
| 18:56.55 | stoned | iceweasel, using Georgia font |
| 18:57.00 | Eulex | stoned, umh. what DE? |
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| 18:57.06 | stoned | KDE 3.5.9 |
| 18:57.08 | stoned | .10 |
| 18:57.16 | abrotman | what happened to 4.x you had? |
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| 18:57.25 | Eulex | check the settings for whether antialias is enabled |
| 18:57.29 | stoned | I was just testing it out last week, i despised it |
| 18:57.38 | abrotman | thought stoned said he liked it |
| 18:57.40 | slayton | if I delete a file from the debian/<package>.install file, will it be excluded from the final packaged deb? |
| 18:57.41 | stoned | Eulex, it is in kde, as well as fontconfig-config |
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| 18:58.29 | stoned | abrotman, well eye candy wise sure, but functionality? I hate the new desktop 'design', I prefer the config of kde3, so I'm waiting on kde4 to provide all the config options I need in order to have it function like a normal kde3 desktop |
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| 18:58.43 | Si1ver1ock | if i apt-get install java will i regret it? |
| 18:58.50 | stoned | it will not work |
| 18:58.54 | stoned | there is no java metapackage |
| 18:58.58 | stoned | !tell Si1ver1ock -about install java |
| 18:59.00 | helo | is it possible to install debian from a thumb drive? |
| 18:59.04 | stoned | helo, yes it is |
| 18:59.13 | stoned | !tell helo -about usb install |
| 18:59.22 | Eulex | stoned, works fine here (tm) |
| 18:59.47 | stoned | Eulex, yeh, its just the ... hm actually it is not aliasing in firefox OR iceweasel, georgia font in other gtk2/kde apps is fine |
| 18:59.48 | Eulex | stoned, you might want to check your .fonts.conf or /etc/fonts/local.conf for whether you have special rules for fonts |
| 18:59.57 | stoned | only those two are not anti-aliasing it |
| 19:00.02 | Eulex | stoned, yeah, ff is an odd bastard |
| 19:00.56 | stoned | Eulex, you know what else is messed up too, the kde/qt will not display the 'condensed' style of dejavu serif |
| 19:01.05 | chris081 | is it possible that the pci id of my net. card is 1186-1300 ? |
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| 19:01.20 | chris081 | (sorry if i were long, i've got a phone call) |
| 19:01.21 | stoned | Eulex, it shows up fine in qt/kde, I asked the maintainer, something to do with how kde doesn't show the sub styles of that font |
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| 19:01.42 | Eulex | chris081, http://listing.driveragent.com/pci/1186/1300?q=1186-1300&PHPSESSID=iqqa05q77gb7ujh0hk7q2dbfe4 ? |
| 19:01.51 | Eulex | stoned, heh. |
| 19:01.52 | stoned | Eulex, so I just cp DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf to DejaVuSerif.ttf in ~/.fonts it shows 3 dejavu serifs now, but the bottom one works |
| 19:01.57 | jelly | :pciid [1186:1300] |
| 19:02.02 | jelly | !pciid [1186:1300] |
| 19:02.03 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 1186:1300 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
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| 19:02.09 | oOarthurOo | I'm gonna go back and read the discussion, I just wanted to get a shot of what I'm talking about up for you to see for yourself what I'm talking about. http://imagebin.org/35414 |
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| 19:02.17 | jelly | 8139too |
| 19:02.22 | jelly | chris081: yes. |
| 19:02.23 | oOarthurOo | It shows the various fonts and sizes 10, 12 and 14 |
| 19:02.37 | stoned | well i drove almost 4 hours today, its ok, got paid for travel time |
| 19:02.47 | Xjs | ok, etchnhalf didn't work out |
| 19:02.50 | stoned | now first thing is to add the firewall rules to let me back into my network from otherl ocations |
| 19:03.01 | Xjs | didn't recognize the SATA controller (VIA VT8237) either |
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| 19:03.17 | stoned | Xjs, maybe you need a brand spankin' lenny kernel? |
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| 19:03.55 | stoned | (dunno nothing bout via) |
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| 19:05.03 | cr3 | might there be a macro language commonly used in debian for processing configuration files, perhaps something like m4 but simpler like cpp |
| 19:05.21 | oOarthurOo | In my font-config I have enabled subpixel rendering always, and set the hinting to native, not autohinter. And disabled bitstream. I'm on an lcd laptop so I've chosen to use subpixel rendering and full under my fonts config options on my gnome desktop. |
| 19:05.45 | stoned | you can enable that too, it will just show more fonts |
| 19:05.48 | Eulex | Xjs, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 19:05.59 | Eulex | Xjs, "(link) VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 and VT8237A South Bridge chipset, using VIA's VT6420 Serial ATA chip — fakeraid. libata's "sata_via" driver set provides support a/o 2005-11 (included since kernel v. 2.6.3). Driver is now production quality. Recent 2.4.x drivers/ide code should support it, too. Proprietary drivers available." |
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| 19:06.01 | oOarthurOo | It looks like all of them are being aa at 14 pts... and some aren't at 12, and none are at 10 |
| 19:06.26 | Xjs | Eulex: I've got to load it at boot, huh? |
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| 19:07.07 | oOarthurOo | hah... looks like me and stoned are working on something similar |
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| 19:07.15 | stoned | ehhh sort of |
| 19:07.15 | Eulex | Xjs, should really be autodetected. |
| 19:07.28 | Xjs | Eulex, it isn't |
| 19:07.30 | format_c | Grr. where in the kernel config are the udev/devfs settings hidden? |
| 19:07.44 | format_c | try to make a vanilla kernel run |
| 19:07.45 | Eulex | Xjs, can you show us the output of lspci? lspci -n if it shows too many unknowns. |
| 19:08.18 | Xjs | hang on, I'm just telling my friend to boot into expert mode and enable SSH |
| 19:08.19 | stew | format_c: devfs has been removed from the kernel, udev is userspace, not kernelspace, but depends on sysfs being available in the kernel |
| 19:09.15 | chris081 | something is wrong: the everest app tells the following about the card: "Description:DLink RTL8139(A/B/C)-based fast ethernet adapter; Revision:10". On the website that Eulex told, it is not listed, but D-Link DFE-538TX 10/100 Adapter 1186:1300 rev 10 is listed. If it's not the same name (DFE-538TX instead of RTL8139(A/B/C)...) does this will work correctly ? |
| 19:09.16 | format_c | every time I try to start the manually compiled kernel I run into a kernel panic complaining devfs (/dev/hda1) can not be found. |
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| 19:09.34 | stoned | there is an everest for linux? |
| 19:09.39 | stoned | bs. |
| 19:09.46 | chris081 | i am currently on window$ |
| 19:09.48 | stoned | ahhh |
| 19:10.15 | chris081 | because my network card doesn't work/install under linux, so i can't use the web except if i'm using win |
| 19:10.19 | stoned | so its an 8139rtl, old card |
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| 19:10.28 | stoned | load the 8139too module I tihnk |
| 19:10.29 | chris081 | yeah, like the cpu |
| 19:10.35 | stoned | for the nic |
| 19:10.54 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: There is a file at /etc/fonts called fonts.conf, but it says not to edit it "LOCAL CHANGES BELONG IN 'local.conf'" I can't find this file. |
| 19:11.08 | chris081 | you do think this might be better buyin a new card (this isn't quite expensive, around 20$) |
| 19:11.15 | stew | format_c: why are you manually compiling a kernel? devfs was removed from the kernel around 3 years ago, these days, nothing should be expecting devfs |
| 19:11.48 | Eulex | chris081, the card *is* 8139-compatible. look at the output of the command dpkg gave you. |
| 19:12.00 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, you could create it. |
| 19:12.01 | format_c | I downloaded the newest kernel from kernel.org because I'm currently reading a book about device driver programming. |
| 19:12.19 | format_c | So I want to get a "clean" kernel up to date |
| 19:12.41 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: I'm googling for example files now, it would go at /home/arthur/.local.conf ? |
| 19:12.53 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, no initial dot I believe |
| 19:13.11 | jelly | chris081: what might have happened is that somehow, both 8139cp and 8139too modules were loaded at the same time in linux. If this happens, try unloading (modprobe -r modulename) both, then load only 8139too back. |
| 19:13.12 | stew | chris081: that card was $20! why? it should be more like $3, they are crap cards. it is most certainly supported by linux using the 8139too driver |
| 19:13.28 | amphi | format_c: did you create the initrd? (if you're using the debian kernel config) |
| 19:13.43 | format_c | yes I did |
| 19:13.55 | chris081 | dpkg ? i'm currently running Windows. I only have ONE cpu. i can't run Linux and Windows together in the same time. Where would i get the dpkg output ? |
| 19:13.57 | dpkg | chris081: You are moron #17 |
| 19:13.58 | format_c | and I do not use debian kernel config |
| 19:13.59 | stew | format_c: what tool did you use to create the initrd? |
| 19:14.03 | format_c | mkinitrd |
| 19:14.08 | stew | ahh, no wonder |
| 19:14.12 | stoned | there ti is |
| 19:14.14 | format_c | ??? |
| 19:14.19 | format_c | what is the problem? |
| 19:14.23 | stew | format_c: use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 19:14.26 | Eulex | chris081, jelly ran it for you. |
| 19:14.39 | jelly | chris081: "dpkg" the irc bot |
| 19:14.42 | Eulex | $ egrep -i --color `echo 1186:1300 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 19:14.42 | Eulex | alias pci:v*d00008139sv00001186sd00001300bc*sc*i* 8139too |
| 19:14.42 | Eulex | alias pci:v00001186d00001300sv*sd*bc*sc*i* 8139too |
| 19:14.47 | stew | format_c: the problem is that mkinitrd doesn't work with kernels without devfs, which was removed from kernels around 3 years ago |
| 19:14.54 | chris081 | jelly. i only have one driver on the floppy, so it can't be 2 drivers loaded |
| 19:14.57 | format_c | Arg |
| 19:15.03 | format_c | I understand |
| 19:15.03 | stoned | floppy!? |
| 19:15.06 | jelly | chris081: ignore the driver on the floppy |
| 19:15.18 | amphi | format_c: do you need an initrd at all? |
| 19:15.20 | format_c | I guess I missed this part of history :) |
| 19:15.27 | chris081 | but this is the only one drivers that i have, and it have been provided with the card |
| 19:15.29 | jelly | chris081: I'm talking about the driver that comes with Debian, and which should work for a card like that |
| 19:15.35 | jelly | chris081: negative |
| 19:15.40 | format_c | amphi, no as stew told me |
| 19:15.45 | Akkard_ | yo |
| 19:16.05 | amphi | format_c: so build everything you need to mount / monolithically |
| 19:16.06 | Eulex | chris081, do NOT attempt to use any driver that was provided with the card by the manufacturer |
| 19:16.23 | jelly | chris081: reboot to debian. check the kernel modules that get loaded (lsmod). then apply what I said above about 8139cp and 8139too, if applicable |
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| 19:16.48 | format_c | amphi, also a possibility but not my favorit |
| 19:16.58 | chris081 | ok, so if i understood correctly, debian supplied a drivers for that card, and loaded it during the setup process, and me, as dpkg told, as a moron #17, i installed another driver, so there is currently 2 drivers installed for the same card, and this is what you guess making the card to misfunction ? |
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| 19:17.25 | amphi | oh, well |
| 19:17.43 | Eulex | chris081, perhaps. what driver did you install? is it a linux driver provided by the manufacturer? |
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| 19:18.13 | chris081 | yeah, a linux provided one, but in the driver file, this is written that is has been written for RedHat |
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| 19:19.15 | apostle | What school has the best Computer Science degree? |
| 19:19.18 | Eulex | chris081, is any source provided and did you compile it? otherwise it is unlikely that it will even work with your kernel. what is the file name of the kernel module file? |
| 19:19.37 | Eulex | did you replace any files to install it? |
| 19:20.00 | chris081 | wait, i need to insert the floppy |
| 19:20.09 | pioruns | hello, i found bug in OpenOffice.org used in Debian Lenny. Please help me to report this bug, i don't know where and how to report this) |
| 19:20.18 | Eulex | !tell pioruns about bts |
| 19:21.09 | pioruns | i have installed reportbug, and reports |
| 19:21.15 | pioruns | but what next:) |
| 19:22.06 | pioruns | can you check, in your system my founded bug is still active? |
| 19:22.12 | pioruns | i can tell you how to reproduce |
| 19:22.19 | chris081 | ok, in the Linux directory of my floppy, i have 3 files (1 .txt that we don't bother about, one makefile, and one rtl8139.c) |
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| 19:24.38 | amphi | chris081: rtl8139 driver has been in the kernel for years |
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| 19:25.46 | format_c | stew, Thanks again. Works very well with mkinitramfs. |
| 19:26.25 | chris081 | maybe, but why the hell if i'm using the new debian release cd one, i'm not able to install it ? (debian-40r5-i386-cd-1.iso) |
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| 19:27.29 | chris081 | if i were using a shell command text line, i would be able to understand, but that new release provide a gui install, so all that i have to do is to choose in the list, and it doesn't worked |
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| 19:30.36 | chris081 | during the installaiton process, they told me that some files were corrupted of something else, but those files were not in relation with the drivers. All i want is to install a client side os, and be able to come into the internet with it. Once this is gonna be done, i'm gonna be able to check on web sites to get help for the other stuff that i want to do with it |
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| 19:31.12 | Si1ver1ock | is there aquick way to test my javaj install java --h or something? |
| 19:31.23 | Si1ver1ock | i mean java |
| 19:31.26 | stoned | sure |
| 19:31.49 | stoned | Si1ver1ock, go google up java hello world, put it in a blah.java file, javac blah.java, java blah.Class |
| 19:31.52 | stoned | enjoy |
| 19:32.15 | stoned | Si1ver1ock, or you can install any number of java applications and see if it launches, though all the java apps depend on java and aptitude will pull a java in for you |
| 19:33.05 | chris081 | ok. thanks |
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| 19:33.49 | Si1ver1ock | stoned: this is a command line only box,, mayhap not all apps will work. i'll look for java hello world |
| 19:34.05 | stoned | ok |
| 19:34.25 | stoned | keep in mind, I'm not sure of the thing you're trying to do, but to compile java, you need the java jdk pckage |
| 19:34.35 | stoned | and the runtime |
| 19:35.07 | stoned | Si1ver1ock, or java -? |
| 19:35.10 | stoned | I dunno, have fun |
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| 19:35.48 | chris081 | using java --version is a proof that you installed correctly |
| 19:36.13 | stoned | doesn't he want to build stuff? |
| 19:36.37 | Si1ver1ock | chris081: thank you vary much sir! |
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| 19:37.07 | stoned | I guess i looked into it too deeply |
| 19:37.22 | stoned | simply type java man, you get the help |
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| 19:37.52 | Si1ver1ock | i don't know java, i need java to do a dojo custom build. so here we go...; |
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| 19:39.45 | _entr0py | Hi, I run Debian Etch with KDE. I used Gparted (built-in) to format my external HDD to ext2, now it says owner 'root:root' and I'm unable to save anything on it as user. Please help |
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| 19:40.38 | stoned | _entr0py, as root, mount the drive, go to the / of the drive and simply chown/chgrp whatever recursively or do it on . |
| 19:40.42 | nvz | how could i make a clip of a video file like maybe something like mplayer -ss piped into some mencoder command? If i want say 00:15:00-00:16:00 in a new file for example.. how could i do that? |
| 19:40.50 | stoned | _entr0py, man chown man chgrp |
| 19:41.20 | _entr0py | thanks! I'll try |
| 19:41.26 | stoned | nvz, easy, you can tell mplayer to start stop at certain times and get chunks out |
| 19:41.45 | stoned | nvz, i dunno how but i know its possible, you can specify start/end times, and use mencoder after, visit #mplayer |
| 19:41.50 | stoned | nvz, they are experts |
| 19:42.04 | chris081 | earlier, when we discussed about my drivers problem, someone told me NOT to use the drviers provided by the manufacturor. why? |
| 19:42.05 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I'm still trying to puzzle out how to enable AA on two fonts, when they are sized 12. It appears that when they are 14 and up they are AA, but not at any lower size. Here is an image of what I am talking about, and it's the first two fonts that I am trying to fix at smaller sizes. http://imagebin.org/35414 |
| 19:42.29 | stoned | chris081, becuase your hardware is fully supported by open source drivers in debian |
| 19:42.45 | stoned | chris081, we don't support vendor drives, only debian and debian pcakges/software and debian methods of doing things |
| 19:42.49 | nvz | stoned i figured as much the ss will seek to start but whats the command for end and how do i save the output as a video file? |
| 19:42.52 | stoned | chris081, you can feel free to use whatever driver you want |
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| 19:43.06 | stoned | chris081, it is however advisable to stick with debian software unless otherwise requried |
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| 19:43.19 | stoned | nvz, not sure man |
| 19:43.27 | stoned | nvz, been a while since I ripped movies |
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| 19:43.37 | nvz | i see.. figured as much.. lets se e whos in there. |
| 19:43.47 | chris081 | ok. i'm gonna follow what you said and use the one provided with the GNU/Debian installation cd. |
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| 19:44.07 | cahoot | nvz: there's an --endpos option |
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| 19:44.37 | nvz | cahoot cool that helps |
| 19:45.01 | stoned | its actually Debian GNU/Linux |
| 19:45.06 | stoned | not GNU/Debian |
| 19:45.07 | stoned | :)( |
| 19:45.09 | stoned | sorry pet peeve! |
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| 19:45.32 | chris081 | and to update if, if one day i'm able to install and configure it correctly, i guess i should use apt-get update ? (sorry for the misspelling) |
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| 19:45.56 | stoned | yes |
| 19:46.25 | stoned | update to get a list of update packages from remote repositories, and upgrade to initiate the actual upgrade of software on your machine |
| 19:46.30 | cahoot | nvz: -ss 10 -endpos 56 Stop at 1 minute 6 seconds. |
| 19:46.35 | stoned | chris081, I would advise you to use 'aptitude' instead |
| 19:46.43 | nvz | problem is i got a hour plus and i only want three five min or so pieces all in one file.. or at least in seperate files.. but the encoding i can figure out later i guess.. i know how to dump antwqy |
| 19:47.03 | chris081 | do i have to add external sources manually in a file using aptitude ? |
| 19:47.07 | stoned | you'll hvae to dump 3 seperate chunks, and then combine em |
| 19:47.11 | Xjs | huh, my friend seems extra-unlucky... now networking doesn't work anymore |
| 19:47.14 | stoned | oh boy |
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| 19:47.18 | stoned | *sigh* |
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| 19:47.34 | stoned | chris081, /msg dpkg grounding /msg dpkg ig /msg dpkg sources.list /msg dpkg reference |
| 19:47.39 | stoned | chris081, get started |
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| 19:49.19 | stoned | chris081, no. You do not need any external sources. After you install from the debian cd, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and take out the cdrom line |
| 19:49.24 | nvz | i was just tryin to figure out how to avoid parsing the whole file either dumping with mplayer or importing it to windows movie maker.. and i got that part now. its a pita to parse large movies entirely just to get a little piece.. takes forever |
| 19:49.28 | stoned | chris081, then aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 19:49.29 | stoned | etc. |
| 19:49.44 | chris081 | ok |
| 19:49.58 | stew | chris081: it depends on which installer you use. you may need to add an internet mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:50.44 | stoned | stew, which debian installer doesn't prepare remote sources? |
| 19:50.56 | oOarthurOo | Ok.. I found the solution to ugly fonts at smaller sizes when using msfonts online. Strangely though, creating a ~/.local.conf as /etc/fonts/fonts.conf directs you to didn't work. I had to add the information to ~/.fonts.conf |
| 19:51.12 | stoned | cd does, netinst, netbot, hd-media they all do,its one of the steps of the di, configure respositories |
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| 19:52.06 | oOarthurOo | I don't know what I did, but it seems to work. Eulex you were helping someone else with a similar problem not too long ago. Here's the link with the instructions that solved it for me if it helps... http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4952464&postcount=7 |
| 19:52.31 | abrotman | not if they don't have net access |
| 19:52.45 | stoned | then they don't need to worry about mirrors do they? |
| 19:52.56 | abrotman | if they setup network later .. ? |
| 19:52.56 | stoned | Imean sure later on after |
| 19:53.00 | stoned | yeh |
| 19:53.17 | stoned | but stew said it dependson which installer |
| 19:53.26 | stoned | I'm not aware of any di which doesn't do that |
| 19:53.41 | stoned | except maybe debootstrap |
| 19:53.54 | chris081 | a swap partition, it is only to be sure that if i don't have enough RAM, the OS will write data to that partition and use it as if it was memory? |
| 19:53.57 | moldy | i am looking for documentation on how to apply a local patch to a debian package. can anyone give me a pointer? |
| 19:54.34 | moldy | http://wiki.debian.org/debian/patches i found this, but i cannot really make sense of it |
| 19:54.38 | stoned | moldy, download the pacakge source via apt-get source package name, then use man patch |
| 19:54.42 | stew | chris081: yes, but linux will move things that aren't actively being used to swap even if it isn't completely out of memory, in order to make more memory available for other applications and cache |
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| 19:55.12 | stew | chris081: so its recommended to have some even if you don't plan on running out of memory. a swap partition can also be used for hibernata aka suspend to disk |
| 19:55.30 | stoned | moldy, what exactly are you trying to pathc? |
| 19:55.32 | moldy | stoned: i installed the source. i am familiar with the "patch" utility. but how do i then build the deb? |
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| 19:55.41 | stoned | dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 19:55.44 | chris081 | this is an intelligent os, so. |
| 19:55.49 | moldy | stoned: ldm (on ubuntu, but this shouldn't matter here) |
| 19:55.50 | stoned | !tell moldy -about package basics |
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| 19:56.26 | moldy | stoned, chris081: thanks, maybe this is enough to get me on the right track. |
| 19:56.27 | stoned | so you've applied the patch and now you want to buld the package? |
| 19:56.33 | stoned | ok |
| 19:56.34 | stoned | enjoy |
| 19:56.36 | moldy | stoned: basically, yes |
| 19:56.46 | stoned | yeh, read package basics faq |
| 19:57.17 | stoned | s/faq/factoid |
| 19:57.24 | joeytwiddle | *** International Peacekeeping Force Despratly Needed For GAZA ASAP - PM your PM NOW! *** |
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| 19:57.42 | stoned | gaza doesn't affect debian in anyway |
| 19:57.44 | stoned | go away. |
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| 19:58.57 | chris081 | what about having a 5016 Mo of swap out of a disk total space of 38Gb ? |
| 19:59.12 | chris081 | too much or not ? |
| 19:59.18 | stoned | usually a 1gb swap is good enough for most desktop systems |
| 19:59.22 | jelly | chris081: how much RAM again? |
| 19:59.27 | stew | moldy: if you apply a patch, you should append something to the version string in debian/changelog before building so that your version will be distinguised form the unpatched version. dch can help with this |
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| 19:59.47 | arjick | hello @all |
| 20:00.06 | chris081 | 48 i think |
| 20:00.13 | jelly | chris081: is this a server? |
| 20:00.15 | stoned | 48gb? |
| 20:00.17 | chris081 | no |
| 20:00.25 | stoned | good lord |
| 20:00.25 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, interesting. |
| 20:00.28 | jelly | chris081: then you don't have that much memory. |
| 20:00.47 | jelly | chris081: free|grep ^Mem |
| 20:00.48 | arjick | i installed the standard system for debian without selecting desktop packages. now with what command can i install the desktop packages, or better, get this wonderfull small dialog where i can select: desktop-system, mail-system ... |
| 20:00.50 | stoned | jelly, it would be nice though :) |
| 20:00.51 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, only affects those fonts? |
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| 20:01.03 | stew | arjick: tasksel |
| 20:01.17 | stew | arjick: if you just want to install 'desktop' "tasksel install desktop" |
| 20:01.30 | arjick | stew, thanks |
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| 20:01.47 | jelly | chris081: are you in the installer at present? |
| 20:01.55 | stoned | wouldn't that install kde/xfce/gnome all 3 |
| 20:01.56 | chris081 | no |
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| 20:02.10 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: Yeah... I think it has something to do with the embedded bitmapped flag. These new fonts must have more information in them, and if you disable bitmapping in your fontconfig they will show up wrong. This adjusts it I suppose. That's all I can guess anyway... don't feel like experimenting by removing it, enabling bitmapped fonts, then seeing if it improves. |
| 20:02.13 | stoned | the desktop task depends on desktop-base which installs all 3 iirc, I could be wrong |
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| 20:02.35 | stoned | nm i dunno nothin |
| 20:02.36 | oOarthurOo | Eulex: All the old msfonts work fine. |
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| 20:02.54 | stoned | Eulex, my ms fonts don't work1 |
| 20:02.56 | jelly | chris081: figure out how much memory you have and use the same amount of swap if it's 2GB or more. |
| 20:03.00 | stoned | er.. oOarthurOo |
| 20:03.05 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to extract an audio file from a pdf? |
| 20:03.15 | moldy | stew: thanks for the hint |
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| 20:03.26 | mick_laptop | someone sent me a pdf w/ embedded audio |
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| 20:04.36 | chris081 | i have 48 RAM, so you think i should use 48 Mo of disk space for the swap partition ? |
| 20:04.45 | oOarthurOo | stoned: I gave a link a few lines up to a forum post explaining a fix. It worked for me. I copied and pasted that to ~/.fonts.conf then to be safe did 'dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig' then restarted 'x'. Upon restart all was well with the world. Your mileage may vary. |
| 20:04.57 | stew | chris081: 48 megabytes? 48 gigabytes? |
| 20:04.59 | arjick | stew: it says: aptitude failed (255) :-( |
| 20:05.03 | arjick | any ideas? |
| 20:05.14 | chris081 | 48 meg ram |
| 20:05.16 | arjick | yes, i am root |
| 20:05.16 | stew | arjick: did you run it as root? |
| 20:05.20 | arjick | :-p |
| 20:05.40 | stew | arjick: can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:05.42 | stoned | oOarthurOo, i'll check it out, I'll grep for your nick |
| 20:05.43 | chris081 | the cpu speed is 333 mhz |
| 20:05.57 | stoned | ahh oldschool |
| 20:06.01 | stoned | !mmhr |
| 20:06.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 20:06.16 | oOarthurOo | My neck will evade your grasp. |
| 20:06.21 | oOarthurOo | wait... what? |
| 20:06.22 | stoned | no desktop = 64mb min ram |
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| 20:06.29 | stoned | you can get away with less maybe, but i dunno how |
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| 20:06.43 | chris081 | and i plan to install a linux client on it. so this is why i need to configure it really carefully and correctly if i want to get out the more features of it |
| 20:06.44 | stoned | there is a di mode for low mem installs |
| 20:06.46 | stoned | that i do know about |
| 20:06.57 | chris081 | i need AT LEAST 64 mb to get a gui desktop ? |
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| 20:07.05 | susscorfa | i'm trying to install from usb but the installer cant find the iso image that i copied onto the usb drive any sugestions |
| 20:07.06 | stoned | thats what it says |
| 20:07.20 | stoned | Depending on the architecture, it is possible to install Debian with as little as 20MB (for s390) to 48MB (for i386 and amd64). |
| 20:07.21 | stew | chris081: no, 48 is fine, though it would be recommended that you use more minimalist desktop software |
| 20:07.33 | arjick | stew: quite complex as i am inside a virtual machine with console only and no copy/paste possibilities. but for short: 100 /var/libdpkg/status ... 500 security ... 500 ftp://debian mirror ... 500 cdrom ... |
| 20:07.40 | stoned | oh oh oh |
| 20:07.44 | stoned | try stew's window manager! |
| 20:07.52 | stoned | is pretty cool |
| 20:07.59 | arjick | whats its name? |
| 20:08.16 | chris081 | this is a pentium 333 mhz, so i guess the architecture are i386 instead of amd468 |
| 20:08.19 | stoned | tritium |
| 20:08.19 | abrotman | tritium |
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| 20:08.57 | stew | arjick: you could also run "aptitude" and try to select "desktop" from the End-user tasks at the bottom |
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| 20:09.21 | stew | arjick: i'm assuming you'd get a more descriptive error than "255" that way |
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| 20:09.43 | arjick | stew, yes that would be helpfull ;) |
| 20:09.55 | arjick | stew, ah found the problem, no internet connection from the virtual machine *g* |
| 20:10.00 | arjick | apt-get udpate did not work as well |
| 20:10.01 | stew | arjick: (and then you'd get to choose between gnome/kde/xfce/lxde desktops instead of getting the default gnome, if you care |
| 20:10.18 | stoned | alright, back to making some sort of multiple inheritance in c# |
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| 20:10.25 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 20:10.43 | stoned | this project is pissine moff, so I won't see ya'll until later tonight |
| 20:10.45 | stoned | bye bye |
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| 20:11.18 | chris081 | someone know where i can find informations about the partitionning operation. In my class notes, i have lot, but they don't tell the use of it, for example, when i installed it in the class, we done a /, a /tmp, a /usr, and /swap. Thanks for everything, stoned, have a good night |
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| 20:12.37 | susscorfa | i'm trying to install from usb but the installer cant find the iso image that i copied onto the usb drive any sugestions |
| 20:12.42 | stew | chris081: unless you have a reason not to, you can just have swap and / ; you can also just rely on the installer's "guided partitioning" which will do it for you |
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| 20:13.05 | moldy | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html mentions dch -l local 'Blah blah blah'. here, dch does not know -l: Unknown option: l |
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| 20:13.14 | zimnyx | My /etc/network/interfaces file is like this http://pastebin.com/m57be861. Address for eth0 is resolved via DHCP. `/etc/init.d/networking restart` resolve address for this interface (ifconfig shows my public IP for eth0) but I got no internet access. After dhclient eth0 everything starts to work. How can fix this? Running manually `dhclient eth0` after every reboot is annoying. |
| 20:13.16 | stew | susscorfa: make sure you haven't changed the name, and make sure they are from the same version of the installer that the hd-media is |
| 20:13.18 | chris081 | stew, i can mount the /boot in the same partiton as / ? |
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| 20:13.38 | stew | chris081: yes, unless you use somehting like lvm or software raid |
| 20:14.42 | stew | zimnyx: do you want internet traffic to go out on the eth0 or the eth1 interface? |
| 20:15.02 | chris081 | and for the fs of that partition, i readed on a website that ext3 is much powerful than ext2, but it is slower than |
| 20:15.08 | helo | how can i see what network devices are available without ifconfig? |
| 20:15.15 | stew | chris081: use ext3 |
| 20:15.19 | chris081 | ok |
| 20:15.21 | zimnyx | stew: eth0. eth1 is for home NAT |
| 20:15.31 | stew | zimnyx: then remove the gateway entry from eth1 |
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| 20:16.05 | stew | helo: 'ip a'? 'cat /proc/net/dev' ? |
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| 20:16.27 | Muzer | anyone know of a light screenshot taker that's in the Etch repos? |
| 20:16.36 | zimnyx | stew: thanks, I'll try and hope to soon be back :) |
| 20:16.40 | stew | Muzer: scrot |
| 20:17.07 | Muzer | stew: Does that have automatic PrintScreen intergration? |
| 20:17.10 | Muzer | Or is there a way to use it? |
| 20:17.14 | Muzer | Also, is there a GUI for it? |
| 20:17.31 | stew | Muzer: there is not a gui for it. what do you mean by PrintScreen integration? |
| 20:17.32 | Muzer | by "light" I basically meant "Not affiliated with gnome or KDE, especially not KDE" |
| 20:17.57 | Muzer | stew: So it takes one (to the clipboard or whatever) when you press that little "PrintScreen" button on your keyboard ;) |
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| 20:18.16 | Muzer | You know, like you can do in Windows, and maybe certain Ubuntu variants (can't remember and don't care which ones) |
| 20:18.27 | stew | Muzer: no, but you could setup your window manager or xbindkeys or something to run it when you hit printscreen |
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| 20:19.45 | moldy | stew: is that package basics document outdated? "dch -l local" does not seem to work here |
| 20:19.59 | chris081 | as i'm using the win os, my data are located on it. if i mount the hd using linux, is there any chances for my data to get corrupted/unable to read by linux ? |
| 20:20.25 | stew | moldy: i don't know which document you are talking about, but that dch command should work, do you get an error while running it? |
| 20:20.39 | moldy | stew: Unknown option: l |
| 20:20.46 | Muzer | stew: So, before I install it, does scrot allow copying images to the clipboard then? |
| 20:20.49 | moldy | stew: also, the manpage does not mention such an option here |
| 20:20.54 | Muzer | Because then with xbindkeys or something I could do what I want |
| 20:21.11 | moldy | stew: i am talking about this document: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
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| 20:21.19 | stew | moldy: ahh, it doesn't exist in etch, only in lenny or later it seems |
| 20:21.24 | stew | moldy: you are running etch? |
| 20:21.26 | Muzer | actually |
| 20:21.27 | moldy | stew: ahh, ok. thanks |
| 20:21.30 | Muzer | I could make it take to a directory |
| 20:21.33 | Muzer | sounds just as good |
| 20:21.37 | stew | Muzer: it does not allow copying images to the clipboard, afaik |
| 20:21.39 | moldy | stew: yep |
| 20:22.03 | moldy | stew: is there some rough equivalent in etch? |
| 20:22.38 | Muzer | <Muzer> I could make it take to a directory |
| 20:22.39 | Muzer | <Muzer> sounds just as good |
| 20:22.42 | Muzer | so yeah, it seems fine |
| 20:23.10 | stew | moldy: just use "dch --nmu" and edit the version number by hand. --nmu would make change 1.2.3-3 to 1.2.3-3.0, i'd recommend just then changing that to something like "1.2.3-3+somepatch0" |
| 20:24.11 | stew | Muzer: looks like there is also a xwd in the x11-apps package |
| 20:24.36 | stew | Muzer: which is in xbase-clients on etch, which you likely already have installed |
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| 20:25.50 | Kobaz | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y |
| 20:25.54 | Kobaz | i forgot how ti fix that |
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| 20:26.13 | stew | Kobaz: for which repository? |
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| 20:26.45 | Kobaz | debian testing |
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| 20:27.26 | stew | Kobaz: install the debian-archive-keyring package and run aptitude update |
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| 20:27.50 | Muzer | stew: Thanks |
| 20:27.53 | Muzer | checks |
| 20:28.01 | Kobaz | ah yeah |
| 20:28.08 | Muzer | it actually turns out I already had scrot |
| 20:28.09 | Muzer | :p |
| 20:28.19 | Muzer | I must have installed it once and forgot it was there |
| 20:28.32 | Muzer | (since this distro I am working on didn't have X when I started with it, it's Wii Linux) |
| 20:28.37 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 20:28.48 | Kobaz | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:28.56 | Kobaz | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 20:29.49 | stew | Kobaz: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for the package that caused the original question? |
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| 20:30.51 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 20:30.56 | Kobaz | i installed a bunch of stuff |
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| 20:30.58 | susscorfa | hmm i think i have the moste recent of all stew http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ <- there i got my iso and the boot.img.gz here ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz stew |
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| 20:32.04 | Unggnu | hi all |
| 20:32.05 | stew | susscorfa: and what is the name of the iso you put on there? |
| 20:32.16 | Muzer | anyway, thanks for the advice stew |
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| 20:32.36 | susscorfa | stew: debian-40r6-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 20:32.56 | Unggnu | How can I find the key id of the gpg signing key of a deb package? |
| 20:32.57 | gjorge | hello all, Where Can I find old debian packages? |
| 20:32.58 | stew | susscorfa: you can't use the businesscard for that, you need to use the netinst or CD1 |
| 20:33.14 | stew | gjorge: archive.debian.org or snapshot.debian.net |
| 20:33.16 | Kobaz | stew: http://pastebin.com/m69d5dbde |
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| 20:34.01 | stew | Unggnu: generally the debs aren't signed but the Release file on a repository is signed. A detached signature would be in Release.gpg in the same directory |
| 20:34.06 | stew | Unggnu: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 20:34.55 | stew | Kobaz: have you run aptitude update? |
| 20:35.04 | susscorfa | stew: i already have the testing versions will those do ? |
| 20:35.04 | Kobaz | i ran apt-get update |
| 20:35.14 | Kobaz | i dont use aptitude |
| 20:35.19 | Unggnu | stew: I have one external ppa but I got the not signed message every time it is updated so I thought I just add the key. Maybe it is not signed |
| 20:35.46 | stew | Unggnu: what is "ppa"? |
| 20:36.00 | Unggnu | stew: A Dell package which is needed for a modem driver. |
| 20:36.03 | stew | susscorfa: you'd need to use the testing hd-media |
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| 20:36.29 | stew | Unggnu: are you getting this from a repository? which? |
| 20:36.34 | Unggnu | stew: So how I can be sure that it is signed or not? |
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| 20:36.42 | stew | Unggnu: what is the url? |
| 20:36.46 | newsense_grr | i guess ubuntu |
| 20:37.01 | Unggnu | stew: http://ppa.launchpad.net/dell-team/ubuntu/ (Don't kill me ;) ) |
| 20:37.19 | newsense_grr | i should win my main nick being unbanned :) |
| 20:37.26 | stew | Unggnu: its not signed |
| 20:37.33 | Unggnu | stew: thx |
| 20:37.42 | susscorfa | were do i find the testin hd-media stew ? |
| 20:38.07 | stew | susscorfa: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:39.10 | toolz | hello, I have a problem, I am trying to use a netinstall cd to install lates debian |
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| 20:39.15 | moldy | stew: thanks |
| 20:39.19 | toolz | but it seems it cannot see my dvd-rw when installing |
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| 20:39.43 | toolz | I mean it boots from it but cant seem to find it at that step from the installation procedure |
| 20:39.51 | stew | toolz: which installer are you using? |
| 20:40.22 | toolz | 4.0r5 I think |
| 20:40.35 | stew | toolz: try etchnhalf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 20:40.59 | toolz | exactly its a new machine |
| 20:41.10 | toolz | a core 2 quad q9550 |
| 20:41.19 | toolz | with a P5Q asus motherboard |
| 20:41.41 | toolz | and the dvd-rw fuck knows never looked at its manufacturer |
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| 20:42.23 | Eulex | oOarthurOo, truetype fonts can specify that bitmap fonts should be used at specific sizes |
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| 20:43.50 | toolz | will this be ok? |
| 20:43.51 | toolz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:44.09 | toolz | I mean I will need afterwards to install a bigmem kernel as the machine has 6GB of ram |
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| 20:44.46 | stew | toolz: it would be recommended to either install the amd64 version of debian, or install a amd64 kernel after installing |
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| 20:44.57 | toolz | NO way |
| 20:44.59 | toolz | it crashes |
| 20:45.05 | Kobaz | apt-get update |
| 20:45.05 | Kobaz | ... |
| 20:45.06 | toolz | I tryed it |
| 20:45.06 | Kobaz | W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 20:45.24 | stew | toolz: then I'd recommend running memtest86+ to see if you have faulty hardware, it should not crash |
| 20:45.36 | toolz | I tryed installing amd64 kernel, it saw all the memory but load averages went crazy and it crashed some time |
| 20:45.40 | toolz | not on this machine |
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| 20:45.46 | toolz | on a core 2 duo e8400 |
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| 20:46.17 | toolz | load averages went way too crazy |
| 20:46.29 | toolz | becaus the machine actually runs a lot of hlds servers |
| 20:47.02 | stew | toolz: what do you mean by "load averages went way too crazy"? |
| 20:47.17 | stew | toolz: a bigmem kernel would be inefficient compared to a amd64 kernel |
| 20:47.26 | chris081 | well, thanks for everthing, everybody. have a nice day, and see your another day...maybe on my linux machine! |
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| 20:48.02 | susscorfa | stew: it worked thx |
| 20:48.09 | stew | susscorfa: great. you'r welcome |
| 20:48.18 | toolz | stew, load averages like: 30.5 30.5 30.0 |
| 20:48.23 | toolz | as an example |
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| 20:48.34 | toolz | but it went so high on amd64 |
| 20:48.41 | stew | toolz: what was causing the load? running process? processes in io-wait? |
| 20:48.48 | toolz | running processes |
| 20:48.56 | stew | toolz: what processes? |
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| 20:49.03 | toolz | hlds_i686 |
| 20:49.19 | toolz | counter-strike servers causing that mess |
| 20:49.20 | SerajewelKS | stew: the half-life dedicated server, which is pretty cpu-intensive |
| 20:49.22 | toolz | on amd64 kernel |
| 20:49.27 | toolz | yeah |
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| 20:49.50 | toolz | I mean I have a i686 |
| 20:50.18 | toolz | I install amd64 kernel, I run hld_start and it sees my i686 proc, and of course it runs hlds_runi686 |
| 20:50.39 | toolz | it has engines for i486 and amd64 aswell |
| 20:50.47 | toolz | it just picks up what matches your machine |
| 20:50.49 | SerajewelKS | toolz: i'd expect to see high load averages running a bunch of half-life servers. how many are we talking? |
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| 20:50.59 | monstro | Hi folks, |
| 20:51.01 | toolz | SerajewelKS... not that many |
| 20:51.10 | monstro | Where I find debian in dvd iso to download? |
| 20:51.20 | SerajewelKS | toolz: "not that many" is not a number |
| 20:51.21 | monstro | the version stable |
| 20:51.28 | stew | toolz: so why wouldn't you run the amd64 server if you are running a amd64 kernel? |
| 20:51.32 | toolz | SerajewelKS, the machine which was crashing has: 6GB of ram, 640GB hdd sata, and a core 2 duo e8400 |
| 20:51.35 | toolz | around 15 servers |
| 20:51.41 | stew | monstro: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 20:51.51 | SerajewelKS | toolz: the load average isn't really a useful metric in this case, i don't think |
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| 20:51.59 | toolz | stew, I run hlds_run, it automatically runs i686 as I thats my cpu |
| 20:52.09 | stew | toolz: what do you mean by "thats my cpu"? |
| 20:52.20 | toolz | intel core 2 duo e8400 |
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| 20:52.30 | stew | toolz: you don't have a 686, you have an emt64 which can run amd64 and 686 instruction sets |
| 20:52.45 | toolz | hlds sees it as i686.. |
| 20:52.52 | stew | toolz: if there is an amd64 server available, why wouldn't you run the amd64 server? |
| 20:52.55 | toolz | it doesnt run unde amd64 |
| 20:53.00 | stew | why not? |
| 20:53.27 | toolz | stew, the counter-strike servers starts using hlds_run, when I run hlds_run it automatically runs hlds_i686 |
| 20:53.32 | monstro | stew, the jigdo is the most recent version? |
| 20:53.43 | toolz | aside hlds_i686 is installed i486 and amd64 |
| 20:53.49 | toolz | no idea thats how it runs |
| 20:53.51 | hetii | hi again |
| 20:53.56 | toolz | I also had servers on amd sempron machines |
| 20:54.01 | hetii | im not sure if i ask but Why apt-get upgrade - upgrade the kernel with the same version ? |
| 20:54.02 | toolz | and it started as hlds_amd there |
| 20:54.25 | stew | toolz: if you have a core2 duo and 6g of ram, you want the amd64 version |
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| 20:54.35 | dondelelcaro | toolz: you are running the amd64 kernel, right? |
| 20:54.53 | stew | monstro: 4.0r6 is the latest. if it is newer hardware, you want etchnhalf: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 20:54.56 | dondelelcaro | toolz: if you are, and it's trying to run the i686 version, whatever it's doing to autodetect is broken |
| 20:55.07 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're running an amd64 version of Debian) |
| 20:55.35 | toolz | no right now no |
| 20:55.37 | toolz | I use bigmem |
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| 20:55.39 | stew | he's about to install debian, but doesn't want the amd64 version becusae he thinks it crashes and is slower, so he's going to use i686 and bigmem |
| 20:55.41 | toolz | because that crashed |
| 20:55.58 | dondelelcaro | uh... bigmem is in all cases way slower than amd64 |
| 20:56.04 | stew | yes |
| 20:56.07 | toolz | damn |
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| 20:56.20 | S-i-A | amd64 can running on intel machine to. |
| 20:56.26 | dondelelcaro | toolz: what type of "crashes" are you talking about? |
| 20:56.47 | toolz | that happened on core 2 duo |
| 20:56.58 | toolz | the new machine is a core 2 quad q9550 |
| 20:57.02 | toolz | same, 6gb ram |
| 20:57.27 | oOarthurOo | " Eulex: oOarthurOo, truetype fonts can specify that bitmap fonts should be used at specific sizes" that explains it then. Good to know what is happening and why the fix works. |
| 20:57.30 | toolz | dondelelcaro, it stops responging, cannot connect on it, though when I press caps lock/num lock on keyboard leds flash |
| 20:57.34 | Guerin | !aiff |
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| 20:57.40 | Guerin | stupid apple |
| 20:57.41 | toolz | but I have to reboot, nothing on monitor screen.. |
| 20:57.43 | toolz | all black |
| 20:57.43 | SerajewelKS | toolz: just edit the run shell script to launch _i686 if that's the problem |
| 20:57.58 | SerajewelKS | toolz: you aren't giving a clear indication of what the problem is here, or else i'm not paying very good attention |
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| 20:58.10 | toolz | so you guys suggest amd64 instead of bigmem? |
| 20:58.15 | dondelelcaro | toolz: then it hasn't crashed; you've probably just gone into terminal swap due to running out of memory |
| 20:58.17 | SerajewelKS | toolz: all i can gather is shit doesn't work and you want it to, but without using the right kernel |
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| 20:58.32 | dondelelcaro | toolz: you probably don't see it on bigmem, because a single application can't use more than 1G of memory on it |
| 20:58.39 | toolz | SerajewelKS, there are 4-5 users asking me different questions I am trying to answer you all.. sorry |
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| 20:59.15 | dondelelcaro | toolz: in any event, amd64 is really what you want; if you're having problems with unresponsiveness, start using munin or similar, and see what has happened when the machine becomes unresponsive |
| 20:59.19 | toolz | dondelelcaro, running our of what memory 6GB ram is enough |
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| 21:00.25 | toolz | then what do you suggest me to get? debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso or debian-40r6-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:00.30 | toolz | for the new machine? |
| 21:00.41 | pingouin | is there a way to know if i got usb2 or usb1 ports ? - old computer, dont know which one is it |
| 21:00.41 | stew | amd64 |
| 21:00.43 | dondelelcaro | toolz: amd64 |
| 21:00.53 | toolz | ok thats what I'll install |
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| 21:01.20 | toolz | that shit dvd-rw killed me when I tryed to install I mean wtf where is it, it boots and stuff but doesnt recognise it |
| 21:01.28 | toolz | will this work for sure, stew? |
| 21:01.34 | dondelelcaro | pingouin: lsusb -v |
| 21:01.52 | pingouin | whaou |
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| 21:02.10 | pingouin | lsusb | less thanks dondelelcaro ;) |
| 21:02.40 | stew | toolz: it should, but i'm not sure i know what you mean by "that shit dvd-rw killed me..." |
| 21:02.50 | Xjs | ok, we finally got networking to work - here's a lspci output: http://nopaste.com/p/aU0MjQSpob - the SATA controller isn't recognized by the debian installer (neither etch nor lenny) |
| 21:03.46 | toolz | stew, I mean it didnt recognised it during the installation process |
| 21:04.09 | SerajewelKS | heh, the load average on my web host is ~8 |
| 21:04.13 | SerajewelKS | the cheapskates |
| 21:04.29 | stew | toolz: using which installer? |
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| 21:04.42 | toolz | 4.0r5 |
| 21:04.54 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: that's not a new controller; afaik, it's been supported since sarge |
| 21:05.04 | navaladi | hello all, anybody know how to play tvup://localhost:port ??? |
| 21:05.24 | stew | toolz: this one would have a better chance of working then, yes |
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| 21:05.25 | toolz | etchnhalf is more advanced or what exactly is etchnhalf |
| 21:05.26 | navaladi | i can not play this internet TV in mplayer...! |
| 21:05.31 | toolz | ok |
| 21:05.34 | Xjs | dondelelcaro: it's listed in lspci, but the installer says it doesn't find a hard disk |
| 21:05.40 | Xjs | toolz: SATA, too? |
| 21:05.48 | toolz | Xjs, no the dvd-rw is on IDE |
| 21:05.48 | stew | toolz: yes, etchnhalf is a new version of the stable installer that uses 2.6.24 instead of 2.6.18 in order to support newer hardware |
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| 21:05.55 | toolz | only hard disk on SATA |
| 21:06.01 | Xjs | toolz: and it's recognized? |
| 21:06.31 | toolz | Xjs, it boots, it starts the installation but I cant pass the step asking to detect the cd-rom and stuff |
| 21:06.33 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: look at the output of dmesg |
| 21:06.36 | Xjs | hmkay |
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| 21:06.57 | zimnyx | Is there a command that creates devices listed in crypttab ? |
| 21:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: it's almost certainly detecting the sata controller, so if it's not seeing the hard drive, either it's not properly connected, not on, or something else is odd |
| 21:07.23 | Xjs | just checking |
| 21:07.31 | Xjs | it apparently recognizes the controller |
| 21:07.51 | Guerin | grr, cpu overheatin' |
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| 21:07.58 | Guerin | wonder if my fan is still working |
| 21:08.33 | Xjs | we got this message: http://nopaste.com/p/a83LgUFarb |
| 21:08.55 | Xjs | which looks ok to me |
| 21:08.55 | jelly | Guerin: wanna trade for nice -12°C outside temp? |
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| 21:12.32 | Xjs | well, the hard disk is supposed to work |
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| 21:15.02 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: after that, you should see it probing for the drive |
| 21:15.27 | Xjs | it says "Probing IDE interface ide0..." |
| 21:15.34 | Xjs | then continues with usbcore |
| 21:15.44 | Xjs | a bit later: "ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14" |
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| 21:16.07 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: yeah, that means it didn't see any drives on that interface |
| 21:16.08 | Xjs | yet, it doesn't exist in /dev - neither as IDE nor as (as it should) as SCSI drive |
| 21:16.29 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: what size sata drive do you have attached? Are you sure that the controller actually supports it? |
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| 21:17.50 | Xjs | hangon, asking my friend, it's actually his machine (but I'm the guy who knows a bit about Linux) |
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| 21:19.19 | samanthamourao | is away: Ocupada |
| 21:20.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell samanthamourao -about away |
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| 21:21.52 | Xjs | ah, well, seems it wasn't well-connected |
| 21:21.52 | Xjs | dondelelcaro, bit tickling the cables and it works |
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| 21:24.25 | dondelelcaro | Xjs: yeah, not all that unusual |
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| 21:24.41 | Xjs | thanks for your help anyway, dondelelcaro |
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| 21:27.11 | frog_ | hi, sorry for beeing offtopc, but can't find a solution, maybe someone here already had this problem... i have vmware. there is windows as guest installed. i can use ctrl+mouse click to mark some dirs + files in windows explorer. but in one program i try also to import more files but i can't even mark them. i am only able to mark one. in manual is writen, that i should use ctrl+mouse. but it doesn't work for me. any clue? thanks |
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| 21:28.16 | abrotman | frog_: did you ask #vmware ? |
| 21:30.01 | frog_ | abrotman:yes |
| 21:31.28 | SerajewelKS | frog_: sounds to me like you want #vmware or ##windows. i can't think of a thing in there that's close to being debian-related. |
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| 21:31.58 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to make a chroot where it is still possible to access some binaries outside the chroot? |
| 21:32.12 | SerajewelKS | Knight_Lord: yes, either hardlink them or look at mount --bind |
| 21:32.20 | Xjs | btw, what's the advantage of having seperate partitions for e. g. /home, /var etc on a system with one HDD? |
| 21:32.20 | adama_ | frog_: I have had the same problem, and no solution :( |
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| 21:32.33 | Hydroxide | is surprised to hear that ##windows exists on Freenode, but indeed it appears to. |
| 21:32.40 | SerajewelKS | Xjs: not having to recompile programs to use other paths? |
| 21:32.46 | frog_ | adama_: umm, ok |
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| 21:32.52 | SerajewelKS | Xjs: oh, partitions. organization, i guess. |
| 21:33.01 | Knight_Lord | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 21:33.04 | SerajewelKS | Xjs: if you fill up your $HOME your whole system doesn't take a shit. |
| 21:33.20 | SerajewelKS | Knight_Lord: np |
| 21:33.21 | Xjs | hm, well |
| 21:33.28 | Xjs | good idea |
| 21:33.51 | SerajewelKS | Xjs: some people like to mount stuff like /var/log as a ramdisk too, in a desktop environment. then they don't accumulate log files. |
| 21:34.17 | Xjs | ah |
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| 21:35.11 | ZitZ | hey guys, i'm using a broadcom chipset and I'm wondering if I need this firmware package I found on their website, or is it already installed by the b43-fwcutter package |
| 21:35.14 | abrotman | maybe ? |
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| 21:35.41 | abrotman | ZitZ: you have to run the b43-fwcutter, which will get it for you |
| 21:35.46 | SerajewelKS | ZitZ: see the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/b43-fwcutter |
| 21:35.51 | sepski | are anyone familiar with a online map editing tool ? that can be used to distrributed editing ? |
| 21:35.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: pff, spoonfeeding the answers |
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| 21:36.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: well, if the maintainer would just make the postinst ask you if you want to run it, wouldn't be a problem :) |
| 21:36.23 | ZitZ | okay, that's good, I read on a forum that I needed it, but I already have the fwcutter installed so I guess I'm fine |
| 21:37.06 | lepine_w | is anyone using mutt with gmail here? I'm attempting to do so, but it complains about a variable being non-existent in my .muttrc, smtp_url ... which is listed in the docs (both man and online) ... |
| 21:37.12 | lepine_w | what have you done to get it to work? |
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| 21:37.56 | abrotman | RichiH: it's gone, try #redhat .. usually goes there too |
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| 21:40.48 | jelly | lepine_w: reading gmail or sending via gmail? |
| 21:41.09 | lepine_w | reading works more or less fine, i can't send |
| 21:41.28 | jelly | oh. I send via my ISP. |
| 21:41.41 | lepine_w | but then your sent messages aren't in gmail, which is sad |
| 21:41.56 | Xjs | they are, mutt stores them via imap |
| 21:42.00 | lepine_w | oh |
| 21:42.00 | newsense_grr | ive sent using exim4 and gmail |
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| 21:42.29 | lepine_w | newsense_grr: how did you have it send through gmail? |
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| 21:43.33 | jelly | lepine_w: have you set record variable to a gmail folder? |
| 21:43.45 | lepine_w | not yet |
| 21:44.09 | Xjs | then it mails wouldn't show off in GMail anyway (I think) |
| 21:44.36 | lepine_w | Xjs: correct, but i'm an unable to send, so it's no t an issue at this point. |
| 21:44.54 | Xjs | you don't have another mail server available? |
| 21:44.56 | jelly | lepine_w: I guess gmail instructions tell which SMTP server to use, and to use submission port |
| 21:45.10 | newsense_grr | lepine_w, easy theres a doc on wiki.debian.org :) |
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| 21:45.23 | Guerin | whee, my HSF had been unseated on one side for the past 6 months or so |
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| 21:45.28 | newsense_grr | lepine_w, had to specify smtp.gmail::port |
| 21:45.36 | lepine_w | jelly: correct, but it's mutt causing problems, not gmail atm |
| 21:45.37 | Guerin | all the paste had dried out and stuff |
| 21:45.45 | lepine_w | newsense_grr: via the variable smtp_url ? |
| 21:45.46 | Guerin | so no wonder it was overheating when trying to encode some oggs |
| 21:45.59 | jelly | lepine_w: and you have correct smtp_url? |
| 21:46.07 | newsense_grr | yes i believe |
| 21:46.17 | lepine_w | Error in /home/leprechaun/.muttrc, line 7: smtp_url: unknown variable |
| 21:46.19 | newsense_grr | stopped using gmail tfor smtp a while ago though |
| 21:46.29 | newsense_grr | and in the password file too |
| 21:46.38 | newsense_grr | had to add the password obviously |
| 21:46.39 | jelly | lepine_w: mutt -v|head -1 |
| 21:46.44 | lepine_w | it's really mutt complaining, and not only my blindness ;) |
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| 21:47.06 | newsense_grr | http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 21:47.07 | lepine_w | 1.5.13 |
| 21:47.26 | lepine_w | ah, so you've got exim inthe middle |
| 21:47.43 | jelly | lepine_w: ok, but please paste the exact and full output next time |
| 21:47.51 | lepine_w | you still want it? |
| 21:48.27 | jelly | lepine_w: no, but dpkg -l mutt |tail -1 would help, maybe |
| 21:49.22 | lepine_w | 1.5.13-1.1etch1 |
| 21:49.32 | jelly | heh |
| 21:50.28 | jelly | lepine_w: I can reproduce it with the same version. |
| 21:50.38 | jelly | lepine_w: there's a 1.5.18 in etch-backports, though |
| 21:50.46 | jelly | lepine_w: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:55.12 | lepine_w | mutt started up without complaining this time ... looking god |
| 21:55.15 | lepine_w | *good |
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| 21:56.44 | lepine_w | grrrr: gnutls_handshake: A record packet with illegal version was received. |
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| 21:57.53 | jelly | for imap or smtp? |
| 21:58.04 | lepine_w | smtp |
| 21:58.16 | jelly | hmph. |
| 21:58.47 | Rockj | Question: does djbdns in debian contain ipv6 patches? |
| 21:59.32 | Guerin | Rockj: djbware isn't in debian |
| 21:59.40 | Guerin | Rockj: and can't be patched in any case |
| 21:59.46 | Rockj | Guerin, it sure is in debian lenny. |
| 21:59.52 | Rockj | apt-cache search djbdns ;) |
| 21:59.53 | Guerin | (can't be distributed patched, I should say) |
| 22:00.06 | Rockj | and there is dnbdns which contains the patches :) |
| 22:00.13 | Rockj | http://packages.debian.org/sid/dbndns |
| 22:00.14 | lepine_w | how many people think djb's a dick? |
| 22:00.16 | Guerin | judd, version djbdns lenny |
| 22:00.17 | judd | Guerin: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 22:00.26 | Guerin | judd, versions djbdns lenny |
| 22:00.28 | judd | Guerin: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 22:00.34 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:00.39 | stew | judd, versions djbdns --release lenny |
| 22:00.40 | judd | stew: djbdns -- lenny: 1:1.05-4 |
| 22:00.45 | Guerin | stew: thanks |
| 22:00.56 | jelly | lepine_w: oh well, you could try using something like ssmtp |
| 22:01.06 | Guerin | hm, so has djb changed his license, or is debian just more stupid than it once was |
| 22:01.08 | stew | or s/info/versions/ for more info, such as description, installed size, etc |
| 22:01.09 | Guerin | ? |
| 22:01.15 | jelly | lepine_w: not sure why the backport fails though |
| 22:01.16 | valdyn | Guerin: a while ago iirc |
| 22:01.19 | stew | Guerin: he put all the software into the public domain |
| 22:01.23 | Guerin | woah |
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| 22:01.35 | Guerin | !beer djb |
| 22:01.36 | dpkg | pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for djb |
| 22:01.41 | stew | (and at the same time, stopped maintaining it) |
| 22:01.47 | stew | (iirc) |
| 22:01.56 | Rockj | :-) |
| 22:01.57 | Guerin | he's relinquished the dark side! |
| 22:02.10 | jelly | qmail was taken by the netqmail people anyway |
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| 22:02.26 | jelly | djbdns is perfect and needs no updates. |
| 22:02.38 | stew | and qmail was just rejected by the ftp-masters (a decision being review by tech-ctte) |
| 22:03.03 | jelly | I guess I'll keep using Pape's repo |
| 22:03.07 | jelly | shrugs |
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| 22:04.35 | jelly | I need to patch it on the important machines anyway. |
| 22:04.38 | hetii | hmm i have load average: 6.64, 3.78, 1.86 when i mv my dir with backup from usb drive to / and my console sometimes freeze |
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| 22:05.20 | hetii | how it is possible 8x Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.00GHz and raid on 3ware 9000 Storage Controller |
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| 22:05.44 | valdyn | hetii: do you understand what load means? |
| 22:05.56 | doudou | aptitude search mencoder -> "" |
| 22:06.14 | jelly | hetii: any load under 8.0 on that machines means there's idle CPU time |
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| 22:06.32 | doudou | google search "mencoder debian" -> mencoder is part of mplayer package ... bla bla bla |
| 22:06.44 | jelly | !tell doudou -about dmm |
| 22:06.47 | valdyn | jelly: no |
| 22:07.26 | stew | doudou: debian's mplayer package has mencoder removed becuase of legal reasons |
| 22:07.44 | jelly | valdyn: yes. |
| 22:08.11 | valdyn | jelly: you can easily have all 8 cpus used w/o idle time w/o load |
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| 22:09.26 | hetii | so its ok behawior or not ? |
| 22:09.29 | jelly | valdyn: how would they be used and the run queues left empty? |
| 22:09.34 | valdyn | hetii: depends |
| 22:10.09 | valdyn | jelly: load is not just the run queue |
| 22:10.14 | doudou | valdyn, too late |
| 22:10.17 | hetii | i use before on this machines ubuntu 32bit and i dont remmember that my console freeze when i do something on hardisk |
| 22:10.22 | valdyn | jelly: and a running process is not queued |
| 22:10.33 | doudou | jelly, thx |
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| 22:10.34 | hetii | but till i use debian 64bit or ubuntu server i see this behawior |
| 22:10.45 | valdyn | hetii: console freeze is not ok, but load does not cause console freeze directly |
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| 22:11.00 | hetii | so maybe something with driver for 3ware storage ? |
| 22:11.36 | valdyn | hetii: possibly |
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| 22:11.43 | jelly | valdyn: what else in load, apart from the run queue count? |
| 22:11.47 | valdyn | hetii: or the filesystem or the i/o subsystem in linux |
| 22:12.05 | valdyn | jelly: load = number of processes waiting for i/o to run |
| 22:12.05 | hetii | is there any posiibility to check/debug this ? |
| 22:12.18 | doudou | is there a a open source project to suit all theses companies that cheat with the meaning of dvd? i mean including proctections into a dvd standard instead of developping a new standard with proctection? |
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| 22:12.46 | valdyn | jelly: so if they all wait for a slow disk you get high load with all cpu doing nothing |
| 22:12.48 | jelly | valdyn: and where are they listed to be waiting, if not in the run queue? |
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| 22:13.03 | hetii | its my top: http://pastebin.com/m21981743 |
| 22:13.14 | jelly | valdyn: that doesn't negate "any load under 8.0 on that machines means there's idle CPU time" |
| 22:13.32 | stew | 54.1%wa |
| 22:13.46 | hetii | what wa means? |
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| 22:13.58 | stew | hetii: io wait. processes that are waiting for io to complete |
| 22:14.08 | stew | hetii: it means that your hard drives are the bottleneck |
| 22:14.12 | jelly | valdyn: note I didn't specify anything about having idle cpu time available when loadavg >= 8.0 |
| 22:14.38 | valdyn | jelly: indeed, im not sure about that |
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| 22:14.52 | weatherkid | I'm am using Ubuntu and need a little help. I came to you guys hoping you had a POS in a Debian Package |
| 22:15.08 | David___ | Hello. I have a script that would be executed only by administrators. What can i do to avoid other users to execute this script? |
| 22:15.12 | stew | weatherkid: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 22:15.33 | hetii | hmm |
| 22:15.46 | stew | David___: make the file owned by a group only containing the administrators, and make the file chmod 770 |
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| 22:16.00 | roryclw_ | David___: set the permissions of the file to only be executable by the requisite group |
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| 22:16.30 | valdyn | hetii: as soon as you have disk i/o there will be about no idle time, just wa instead |
| 22:16.57 | David___ | stew: thanks |
| 22:17.01 | hetii | so how can i check the disk ?maybe run some outher distro (live cd ) and compare the results of w/r operation ? |
| 22:17.23 | roryclw_ | David___: http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/basic/chgrp.shtml |
| 22:17.36 | valdyn | hetii: you get various processes involved when copying files too, which explains part of your load at least |
| 22:17.53 | Ace2016_- | oh no, something is very badly wrong on my system |
| 22:17.56 | jelly | hetii: it is possible that 64bit kernel initializes the usb controller in a somewhat different way, so operations on eg. USB devices have noticeable impact on inteactivity |
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| 22:17.59 | Ace2016_- | it says can't resolve linux |
| 22:18.01 | valdyn | hetii: but not the hangs |
| 22:18.08 | Ace2016_- | sudo: unable to resolve host Linux |
| 22:18.30 | adama_ | Ace2016_- what the heck are you trying to do? |
| 22:18.32 | Ace2016_- | what does that mean? somehow my system completely lost all sense of networking? |
| 22:18.50 | adama_ | Linux is your hostname? |
| 22:19.03 | Ace2016_- | adama_: i have no idea, one second i was using my computer, played a game, then no internet and i tried to edit resolv.conf and i end up with that |
| 22:19.09 | Ace2016_- | yup the hostname is Linux |
| 22:19.16 | Tobsn | does somebody know if i can chain something like this in monit: if failed - then restart - if restart failed 2 times - start process xy? |
| 22:19.21 | valdyn | hetii: this is a single rsync running: 12.74, 10.29, 9.48 |
| 22:19.27 | valdyn | hetii: interactivity is fine atm |
| 22:20.20 | hetii | did your console freeze sometime when this proccess is running ? |
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| 22:20.39 | jelly | Ace2016_-: can you ping an outside IP address? |
| 22:20.44 | Ace2016_- | ping Linux uses the ip of my router and not 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:20.57 | Ace2016_- | well i'm on irc on the same system that has the issue so i guess that'd be a yes |
| 22:21.04 | Ace2016_- | i can't ping google.com though |
| 22:21.17 | adama_ | Ace2016_- try renewing your IP |
| 22:21.44 | valdyn | hetii: im playing with an experimental fs, so if i hang that means nothing for you i think |
| 22:21.50 | ameyer | sounds like someone may be having DnS issues |
| 22:21.57 | hetii | BTW dmesg report me : [ 362.212206] console-kit-dae[5771]: segfault at 120 ip 00007f6f33dc7e09 sp 0000000040d15090 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.1800.2[7f6f33d9b000+c3000] |
| 22:22.13 | jelly | Ace2016_-: do you have any nameserver lines in /etc/resolv.conf? paste them. |
| 22:22.14 | Ace2016_- | renewed my IP but ping linux still tries to use my routers address which is very odd |
| 22:22.15 | valdyn | hetii: thats something else crashing |
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| 22:22.36 | Ace2016_- | jelly: nameserver 10.0.0.1, thats all it has |
| 22:22.46 | jelly | Ace2016_-: is that the address of your router? |
| 22:22.49 | Ace2016_- | yup |
| 22:22.54 | hetii | i see this after system end of boot and secound one when i mount usb drive |
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| 22:23.15 | jelly | Ace2016_-: does "host google.com. 10.0.0.1" work? |
| 22:23.42 | jelly | Ace2016_-: (yes that dot after google.com. is intentional) |
| 22:23.57 | Ace2016_- | but host isn't a command |
| 22:23.57 | ameyer | wonders if 4.4.4.2, 4.4.4.3, and 4.4.4.4 still work |
| 22:24.09 | jelly | 4.2.2.1? |
| 22:24.23 | ameyer | *shrug* |
| 22:24.31 | jelly | didn't know of those other ones |
| 22:24.32 | Ace2016_- | now i can ping google again |
| 22:24.47 | jelly | Ace2016_-: install host for the next time. |
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| 22:24.51 | jelly | :-) |
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| 22:24.56 | Ace2016_- | oh no this is not good |
| 22:25.05 | Tobsn | nobody? |
| 22:25.07 | Ace2016_- | now ping Linux goes to an external address |
| 22:25.10 | ameyer | jelly: I think they're all more or less the same thing |
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| 22:25.21 | Ace2016_- | and sudo if sudo is talking to an external address then i'm buggered |
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| 22:25.31 | newsense | is this kernel message from spoof protection gethostby*.getanswer: asked for * ? |
| 22:25.52 | stew | they still work. iirc, they used to have PTRs that were like "get.your.own.dns.server.gte.com" or something |
| 22:25.54 | jelly | ameyer: 4.2.2.1 seems to work for me atm |
| 22:26.31 | NoReGreT | I got flash installed, but flash related sites aren't showing... e.g. youtube, the video is just blank, what's the deal ? |
| 22:26.47 | Ace2016_- | ok i added Linux to my hosts file |
| 22:26.47 | ameyer | jelly: none of the four seem to work for me |
| 22:26.50 | Ace2016_- | guess that sorts it out |
| 22:27.01 | jelly | Ace2016_-: you can use su to get to root, or login via console |
| 22:27.19 | jelly | Ace2016_-: in the unlikely case sudo fails |
| 22:27.37 | Ace2016_- | no sudo worked but that error still freaked me out |
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| 22:28.01 | Ace2016_- | sudo gave the error about not finding Linux but still managed to run the command as su |
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| 22:28.12 | jelly | as root, you mean |
| 22:28.52 | Ace2016_- | well i can't call it root, doesn't feel right, since there are some things sudo can't mess with so say sudo performs actions as su |
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| 22:29.14 | Ace2016_- | so i say* |
| 22:29.29 | jelly | Ace2016_-: it performs actions as user root. |
| 22:29.42 | jelly | correct your feeling. |
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| 22:30.50 | jelly | (unless of course you're doing sudo -u someone_else some_command) |
| 22:31.14 | Ace2016_- | i remember sudo not being able to echo something into /proc |
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| 22:31.53 | jelly | Ace2016_-: that's likely a misinterpretation of how the shell redirection works |
| 22:32.13 | Ace2016_- | you mean echo ran with root permissions but the > did not? |
| 22:32.42 | unop | Ace2016_-, that would be right |
| 22:32.58 | unop | Ace2016_-, the > redirection is setup even before sudo is executed |
| 22:33.16 | unop | Ace2016_-, and that is done as the user calling sudo - not the superuser |
| 22:33.18 | jelly | Ace2016_-: yes. "a > b" is a shell syntax to redirect stdout to file b, then call command a using that setup" |
| 22:33.22 | Ace2016_- | so i need sudo "echo > destination"? |
| 22:33.31 | Ace2016_- | echo bla > destination |
| 22:33.48 | jelly | Ace2016_-: sudo sh -c "echo foo > /tmp/foo" would work, for example |
| 22:33.51 | unop | Ace2016_-, errm no, you'll need to use a shell there |
| 22:34.14 | jelly | there's no command named 'echo > destination' |
| 22:34.24 | Ace2016_- | yea i corrected that |
| 22:34.25 | roryclw_ | Ace2016_-: it might work to make a root executable shell script containing all the commands you want and run that in sudo |
| 22:34.59 | jelly | roryclw_: but oneliners rules. |
| 22:35.04 | unop | roryclw_, he/she might end up with a million scripts then |
| 22:35.07 | jelly | rule* |
| 22:35.17 | roryclw_ | Ace2016_-: check out 'sudoers' for fine control over sudo privs |
| 22:35.18 | Ace2016_- | roryclw_: thats what i was doing but i didn't run the whole script as sudo just parts of it |
| 22:35.35 | roryclw_ | jelly: true |
| 22:36.01 | Seb | so, if USB connects/disconnects show up in dmesg but not in syslog, where do I change that ? |
| 22:36.13 | jelly | Ace2016_-: I think he meant creating a script with all the commands, then running that single script with sudo |
| 22:36.17 | roryclw_ | Ace2016_-: check the man page for sudo "execute a command as another user" |
| 22:36.30 | roryclw_ | Ace2016_-: "a command" is singular |
| 22:36.52 | jelly | Seb: not in syslog meaning not in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 22:37.07 | jelly | Seb: nor that catch-all file either? |
| 22:37.09 | Ace2016_- | thats not a good idea, usually you need to observe the output of a command before running another one unless you know how it'll work out beforehand |
| 22:37.14 | Seb | jelly: none of those 2 |
| 22:37.19 | Seb | jelly: just in dmesg |
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| 22:37.36 | jelly | Seb: is there a klogd process running? |
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| 22:38.01 | Seb | jelly: no |
| 22:38.22 | jelly | Seb: restart it; which debian release? |
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| 22:38.57 | roryclw_ | Any ideas on when lenny will be stable? |
| 22:39.07 | Seb | jelly: sid |
| 22:39.16 | Seb | jelly: what should /etc/defautl/klog look like ? |
| 22:39.20 | jelly | Seb: /etc/init.d/klogd, then |
| 22:39.23 | Seb | jelly: mine is f*cked, is why it doesn't start |
| 22:39.33 | Ace2016_- | thanks all |
| 22:40.03 | jelly | Seb: mine only has KLOGD="-x" |
| 22:40.13 | stoned | great |
| 22:40.19 | Seb | kevin7kal: awesome, that does it |
| 22:40.19 | stoned | you fucking made enouf quit freenode. |
| 22:40.21 | Seb | hrm |
| 22:40.24 | stoned | shame on you. |
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| 22:40.25 | Seb | jelly: awesome, that does it |
| 22:40.30 | Seb | jelly: thanks a lot |
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| 22:40.55 | stoned | first you guys kick rahul out for some personal bullshit that had nothing to do with #debian |
| 22:41.00 | stoned | now enouf over something trivial |
| 22:41.02 | stoned | shame on you. |
| 22:41.08 | stoned | they were very helpful and supportive people. |
| 22:41.19 | stoned | and I'm done with what I had to say. |
| 22:41.22 | jelly | stoned: uh, take it with the ops? |
| 22:41.29 | stoned | no everyone needs to see this |
| 22:41.33 | stoned | but whatever. |
| 22:41.46 | jelly | "you guys" is ops only, not everyone here |
| 22:41.52 | stoned | whatever |
| 22:41.54 | stoned | I'm done. |
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| 22:42.37 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 22:42.41 | HardDisk_WP | i got a problem with sudo |
| 22:42.48 | HardDisk_WP | i did visudo |
| 22:42.59 | roryclw_ | HardDisk_WP: yes? |
| 22:43.02 | Knight_Lord | How can I check what packages I have installed? |
| 22:43.10 | roryclw_ | Knight_Lord: dpkg -l |
| 22:43.17 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
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| 22:43.24 | HardDisk_WP | so that there is a line marco ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 22:43.34 | HardDisk_WP | even after a reboot, sudo does not work |
| 22:43.45 | HardDisk_WP | it simply asks again for the password |
| 22:43.54 | Ace2016_- | HardDisk_WP: are you in the wheel group? |
| 22:43.54 | HardDisk_WP | but "su" works with the very same password |
| 22:44.00 | Ace2016_- | ... |
| 22:44.02 | roryclw_ | HardDisk_WP: do visudo again |
| 22:44.08 | Ace2016_- | you are supposed to type in your password not root's password |
| 22:44.09 | HardDisk_WP | wheel?? ain't that a OSX group?! |
| 22:44.20 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: with sudo use _your own_ user password |
| 22:44.31 | HardDisk_WP | Ah. LOL. |
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| 22:44.38 | roryclw_ | HardDisk_WP: see if there is an error when you save the file. If there is an error that is your problem. If there is no error you have a logic error in your sudo config |
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| 22:44.45 | HardDisk_WP | I never noticed that before, as I had same passwords for root and user -.- |
| 22:44.53 | HardDisk_WP | now I went and used keepass for thaq |
| 22:44.55 | roryclw_ | jelly: good point! |
| 22:44.57 | HardDisk_WP | s/q/t |
| 22:45.08 | HardDisk_WP | thank you! |
| 22:45.13 | jelly | roryclw_: Ace2016_- was first! |
| 22:45.37 | HardDisk_WP | how do I disable password check, btw? |
| 22:45.39 | roryclw_ | HardDisk_WP: reset them now with 'pwgen' |
| 22:45.40 | HardDisk_WP | (for sudo= |
| 22:45.48 | HardDisk_WP | roryclw_, they are since long ago^^ |
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| 22:46.15 | HardDisk_WP | now each one is 40 chars long, I guess no haxx0r will be able to bruteforce them :D |
| 22:46.21 | roryclw_ | HardDisk_WP: how about some new ones for the New Year?! |
| 22:46.22 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: man sudoers will tell you how to do jelly ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 22:46.35 | stoned | man I got a headache from this c# shit now, I'm back |
| 22:46.45 | HardDisk_WP | roryclw_, heh, I reset them all on jan 2nd |
| 22:46.47 | roryclw_ | jelly: you might as well run as root then |
| 22:46.52 | stoned | jelly, that not really advisable is it? |
| 22:46.59 | HardDisk_WP | roryclw_, and the passwords are not kept anywhere except in keepass |
| 22:47.04 | stoned | jelly, 100% passwordless sudo is not good practice is it? |
| 22:47.04 | jelly | roryclw_: nope |
| 22:47.17 | jelly | stoned: I take the fifth on this. |
| 22:47.34 | stoned | what was it |
| 22:47.34 | Knight_Lord | What's the easiest way to install a kernel in debian non interactively? I tried apt-get install -y but I still get lots of questions from debconf I think. |
| 22:47.36 | stoned | self incrimination |
| 22:47.43 | stoned | yeh, u plead the fif ;) |
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| 22:47.52 | jelly | plead. right. |
| 22:48.14 | Ace2016_- | ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 22:48.37 | jelly | Ace2016_-: don't do it on any important machines, though |
| 22:48.41 | stoned | Knight_Lord, you don' thave to do anything other than install a prevompoiled kernel image from the linux-image packages |
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| 22:48.53 | Knight_Lord | stoned: the problem is that i get questions |
| 22:48.59 | stoned | what questions/ |
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| 22:49.14 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: why is that a problem? |
| 22:49.29 | Knight_Lord | valdyn: i'm asking non interactively |
| 22:49.29 | Ace2016_- | i used to but not any more, don't use sudo enough for that |
| 22:49.36 | jelly | Knight_Lord: push the debconf priority way up high? set frontend to noninteractive? |
| 22:49.37 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: yes, sure, why? |
| 22:49.38 | Knight_Lord | valdyn stoned it's for a script |
| 22:49.46 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: why the hell? |
| 22:50.02 | stoned | valdyn, makes one wonder |
| 22:50.05 | valdyn | Knight_Lord: anything can be scripted, even talking to debconf questions, but thats not my point |
| 22:50.05 | Knight_Lord | jelly should i man debconf? |
| 22:50.30 | Knight_Lord | jelly i don't know how to change the priority or change the frontend |
| 22:50.45 | stoned | -p |
| 22:50.52 | jelly | Knight_Lord: and I'm not sure the easy way is shown in the manual |
| 22:50.58 | jelly | Knight_Lord: which debian release? |
| 22:51.14 | Knight_Lord | I'm writing a script that installs a predefined etch in a USB stick |
| 22:51.19 | Knight_Lord | jelly etch |
| 22:51.44 | yareckon | thats fun! |
| 22:51.56 | stoned | Ireckon it is |
| 22:52.02 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:52.20 | yareckon | alright people >| |
| 22:52.23 | jelly | Knight_Lord: if those are really debconf questions, you can preseed the answers |
| 22:52.39 | jelly | umm |
| 22:52.41 | jelly | !preseed |
| 22:52.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. |
| 22:52.58 | Knight_Lord | thank you |
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| 22:53.04 | yareckon | go home.... all of you! |
| 22:53.12 | jelly | yes mum |
| 22:53.15 | yareckon | or at least I will, thanks |
| 22:53.25 | adama_ | OK!!! |
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| 22:53.41 | yareckon | see y'all on the other side of the internets |
| 22:53.53 | Knight_Lord | I get a warning like this: You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.18-6-686) This will not ?? work unless you have configured your boot loader to use initrd... |
| 22:54.06 | adama_ | how do I control what these mounted drives' names are on the desktop |
| 22:54.09 | teratoma | http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6202701.html |
| 22:54.18 | Knight_Lord | And then is asks me if I want to abort the installation with the default to yes. I'll check the links |
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| 22:54.30 | dusk | how do I completely remove/reinstall a package |
| 22:54.33 | dusk | mainly: apache2 |
| 22:54.50 | SerajewelKS | dusk: purge the package then install it with confmiss |
| 22:54.56 | SerajewelKS | !tell dusk about confmiss |
| 22:55.32 | roryclw_ | dusk : dpkg -P <packagename> (for purge -- config lost) |
| 22:55.58 | roryclw_ | dusk: dpkg -r <packagename> (for removal, config not lost) |
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| 22:56.15 | dusk | config is lost |
| 22:56.36 | dusk | still no config |
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| 22:57.16 | mhymn | that's in 'apache2-common' pkg |
| 22:57.18 | roryclw_ | dusk: you removed the config, and now you can't do anything? If so, try apt-get install --reinstall --force <packagename> (please check precise stuff in the manpage) |
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| 22:59.28 | adama_ | how do I control what these mounted drives' names are on the desktop, they are called "Local Drive" and "Local Drive (2)" |
| 22:59.38 | Knight_Lord | jelly this preseed thing only works if I'm using d-i or not? |
| 23:00.13 | SerajewelKS | dusk: did you reinstall it with confmiss? |
| 23:00.20 | dusk | SerajewelKS: ya |
| 23:00.27 | dusk | ya i blew away the conf file by mistake |
| 23:00.39 | dusk | so.. dpkg -P apache2 |
| 23:00.47 | valdyn | dusk: no |
| 23:00.56 | valdyn | dusk: why dont you verify which package has the config? |
| 23:02.09 | dusk | it says apache2-common has no installation candidate |
| 23:02.20 | valdyn | dusk: we know |
| 23:02.37 | valdyn | dusk: why cant you figure out which package has the config? |
| 23:03.34 | valdyn | !search |
| 23:03.34 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:03.36 | \amethyst | dusk: the package is called apache2.2-common |
| 23:03.57 | valdyn | omg no, spoonfed =/ |
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| 23:04.09 | dusk | omg |
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| 23:04.16 | dusk | i'd thank you if you weren't a giant douche |
| 23:04.24 | valdyn | hah |
| 23:04.26 | stoned | actually |
| 23:04.30 | stoned | valdyn is not a douche |
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| 23:04.39 | dusk | he probably isn't |
| 23:04.43 | \amethyst | dusk: apt-file search /etc/apache2/apache2.conf would have told you that |
| 23:04.44 | stoned | he just doesn't want to hold your finger |
| 23:04.59 | \amethyst | though if you blew away all of apache2 you lost more than just that |
| 23:05.00 | dusk | i didn't ask for finger holding |
| 23:05.04 | \amethyst | apt-file search /etc/apache2 |
| 23:05.17 | stoned | and don't attack people who are trying to help you, it sets a bad example of you and gives a bad name, and may even prevent others from assisting you |
| 23:05.32 | stoned | above all, show respect to those taking thier own time to sit here and help you |
| 23:05.34 | stoned | please. |
| 23:05.57 | Knight_Lord | Any idea how to change debconf default priority? |
| 23:06.55 | adama_ | how do I control what these mounted drives' names are on the desktop, they are called "Local Drive" and "Local Drive (2)" |
| 23:07.23 | stoned | dependson the desktop, you should be able to right click and go into propeties in kde/gnome |
| 23:07.50 | stoned | adama_, and actually those are probably only shortcuts that can be renamed, simple .desktop files |
| 23:08.02 | stoned | (if I think thats is what you are asking) |
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| 23:08.15 | valdyn | adama_: theres various naming systems unfortunately |
| 23:08.16 | adama_ | stoned: gnome, lenny.... there are no files in ~/Desktop for them |
| 23:08.30 | valdyn | adama_: one is the way windows names its drives |
| 23:08.34 | adama_ | nothing useful in properties |
| 23:08.34 | stoned | Then I'm actualy not even sure what you are asking |
| 23:08.41 | \amethyst | Knight_Lord: dpkg-reconfigure debconf or for temporary purposes export DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low |
| 23:08.53 | stoned | adama_, what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:08.55 | valdyn | adama_: interestingly gnome will see those names |
| 23:08.57 | \amethyst | Knight_Lord: this is explained in man 7 debconf |
| 23:09.13 | valdyn | adama_: secondly ext3 has its own way, and gnome will see those names too |
| 23:09.21 | Knight_Lord | \amethyst: thanks I realized i didn't have debconf-doc installed |
| 23:09.26 | adama_ | they are 2nd and 3rd hard drives, NTFS, mounted thru /etc/fstab, and they appear on the desktop, but I can't change the names of the icons |
| 23:09.33 | valdyn | adama_: so how to set the name depends on the filesystem on that partition |
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| 23:09.39 | adama_ | NTFS |
| 23:09.46 | stoned | he just wants to change desktop shortcut names |
| 23:10.00 | stoned | right? |
| 23:10.01 | adama_ | but they are called "Local Drive" and "Local Drive (2)" |
| 23:10.02 | valdyn | adama_: try googling ntfs+label+linux or somesuch |
| 23:10.04 | adama_ | yeah |
| 23:10.12 | adama_ | no I don't care about the disk label |
| 23:10.22 | adama_ | just the words under the icon on the desktop |
| 23:10.28 | stoned | you can't simply change that? |
| 23:10.29 | adama_ | which are not the same thing |
| 23:10.31 | valdyn | adama_: but what you see IS the partition label |
| 23:10.34 | stoned | higlitht he icon and hit f2 |
| 23:10.36 | stoned | ? |
| 23:10.36 | adama_ | no... F2 does nothing |
| 23:10.42 | stoned | doh |
| 23:10.54 | adama_ | works for other things but not them |
| 23:10.57 | stoned | where are they mounted? |
| 23:11.13 | stoned | just mount them somewhere, go to ~/Desktop, ln -s to them, and change the links name |
| 23:11.17 | stoned | ? |
| 23:11.20 | adama_ | they are on /windows/WIN and /windows/320G |
| 23:11.20 | stoned | i dunno man |
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| 23:11.30 | adama_ | but I set all that up myself |
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| 23:11.33 | adama_ | in fstab |
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| 23:11.48 | stoned | yes I don't understand how ntfs lables have anything to do with this |
| 23:11.55 | adama_ | no it doesn't |
| 23:12.01 | valdyn | adama_: it does. |
| 23:12.31 | adama_ | but those are not the labels, it's just some default name that gnome came up with |
| 23:12.44 | adama_ | the NTFS label is not "Local Drive" |
| 23:12.49 | valdyn | adama_: because the partitions have no label? |
| 23:12.54 | \amethyst | is there an NTFS label? |
| 23:13.21 | stoned | \amethyst, dos volume names |
| 23:13.22 | stoned | i think |
| 23:13.29 | stoned | the 11 character limited thingy in windows |
| 23:13.53 | \amethyst | I mean, on this partition |
| 23:14.04 | stoned | h |
| 23:14.05 | Rockj | /var/lib/supervise is the default directory to install daemontools services as djbdns right? |
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| 23:15.05 | adama_ | I think I might be able to do it if I mount them with some user-owner options |
| 23:15.30 | \amethyst | adama_: what does hal-device | grep 'volume.label' say? |
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| 23:17.33 | adama_ | it says empty string, 5 times |
| 23:18.19 | adama_ | hmm, how do I set that? |
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| 23:20.44 | \amethyst | adama_: ntfslabel for NTFS, tune2fs -L for ext2 or ext3, mlabel for FAT, etc |
| 23:20.54 | \amethyst | adama_: it's filesystem-specific |
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| 23:22.20 | adama_ | ntfslabel not found... |
| 23:22.50 | adama_ | need ntfsprogs |
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| 23:26.31 | adama_ | aha, restarted hal and hal-device shows 320G and WIN |
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| 23:26.51 | adama_ | and mount -a and the Desktop icons appear with the correct names |
| 23:26.58 | adama_ | excellent, thanks! |
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| 23:27.33 | Exussum | hey guys - Sounds a nooby question - but i have a C2D Do i Download the AMD 64 version for 64 bit ? I cant really see another choice |
| 23:28.15 | HardDisk_WP | another question. |
| 23:28.25 | HardDisk_WP | i have a debian server to which i connect with putty |
| 23:28.38 | HardDisk_WP | when i now press home or end, a ~ appears |
| 23:28.48 | HardDisk_WP | the keys work, when i use them inside a screen shell |
| 23:28.49 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
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| 23:29.35 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: what gets generated when you press ctrl-v home |
| 23:29.45 | Guerin | HardDisk_WP: because it's putty. |
| 23:29.49 | xittum | Exussum: its impossible to understand your question.. could you explain different? (just go for the netinstall iso...) |
| 23:30.06 | HardDisk_WP | $ ^[[1~ |
| 23:30.18 | adama_ | HardDisk_WP: see here.... http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/alt.os.linux.suse/2008-01/msg00584.html |
| 23:30.25 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: I bet your TERM is set to xterm |
| 23:30.31 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: change it to putty and it should work |
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| 23:31.03 | Exussum | xittum: Core 2 Duo, Surely the name should be x86-64 not AMD64 ? |
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| 23:31.09 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, is this something to change in putty or on the server? |
| 23:31.12 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: putty by default lies and claims to be xterm, but it doesn't work exactly like xterm so that confuses programs |
| 23:31.15 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: either |
| 23:31.27 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: try TERM=putty at the shell and see if that fixes it |
| 23:31.53 | HardDisk_WP | putty gives option for home/end keys to change to rxvt |
| 23:31.55 | HardDisk_WP | whats that? |
| 23:31.56 | xittum | Exussum: yeah - stay away from amd64... |
| 23:32.02 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: no, don't mess with that |
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| 23:33.18 | Exussum | Not much support ? I used slamd64 a while back, and had to stop as Java / Flash didnt work well at all |
| 23:33.55 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, doesnt work to set puttys term string to "putty". the shell gets it, though, but it doesnt react: |
| 23:33.55 | HardDisk_WP | marco@vs5606:~$ export|grep TERM |
| 23:33.55 | HardDisk_WP | declare -x TERM="putty" |
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| 23:34.10 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: what if you run a new shell now? |
| 23:34.12 | HardDisk_WP | still those ~ |
| 23:34.20 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: (just type bash ) |
| 23:34.34 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, that's a fresh connect...and spawning a shell in it doesnt help |
| 23:34.45 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: |
| 23:35.07 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
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| 23:35.41 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: what does tput khome | od -c show ? |
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| 23:36.29 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, unknown terminal type |
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| 23:37.03 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: install package ncurse-term so you have the terminal definitions |
| 23:37.09 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: ncurses-term |
| 23:37.31 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: xterm is in ncurses-base, but putty is not |
| 23:37.38 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 23:38.06 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, that worked :) |
| 23:38.08 | HardDisk_WP | thanks! |
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| 23:40.57 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: if you log in to another system that doesn't know about the 'putty' terminal type where you don't have root, you can copy /usr/share/terminfo/p/putty on this system to ~/.terminfo/p/putty on that system (creating any directories that don't exist) |
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| 23:41.21 | peterrooney | using e16 on lenny, resolution 1280x1024, fullscreen windows are limited to 1280x768 instead of 1280x1024 - leaving bottom quarter of screen empty. this problem doesn't happen at 1024x768! |
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| 23:42.31 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, thx :) |
| 23:43.14 | xittum | peterrooney: e16 is about configuring your desktop for weeks ;) i got a friend that never stops |
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| 23:44.25 | peterrooney | xittum: i haven't configured my desktop for over a year, but i did get a nice new flatpanel display. |
| 23:44.40 | peterrooney | only I can't use it to its full capacity! |
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| 23:50.08 | eris_ | okiez, so heres my issue, been banging my head on it all day, ive got pptpd running on an etch server, i can connect clients, they get served the correct ips, but the ol ny machine i can access is the server it self, not the rest of the subnet, any ideas? |
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| 23:52.09 | \amethyst | eris_: what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say? |
| 23:53.03 | hollywoodb | How do I go about getting my Dell Inspiron's Fn key (control volume, etc) combos to work? I'm running Xfce under Lenny/testing. |
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| 23:54.49 | \amethyst | eris_: 0 means it won't forward packets between different interfaces (and it sounds like you want it to) |
| 23:55.24 | \amethyst | eris_: try (as root) sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 23:56.10 | \amethyst | eris_: if that works, add the line net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 to /etc/sysctl.conf to have the setting persist across reboots |
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| 23:56.53 | \amethyst | eris_: (if you're using ipv6, there is also net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 ) |
| 23:57.08 | valdyn | hollywoodb: install the acpi-support package |
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| 23:58.35 | lfaraone | Hi, how can I restrict what hosts a user or group (actually all users above $ID_LEVEL) can connect to? |
| 23:58.51 | chris081 | some one can tell me, why with a common user logging, i'm not able to mkdir sun/mysql/ in /usr/local/ ? and how to solve that problem please? |
| 23:59.38 | russian_ulysses | chris081 perhaps you, as common user, haven't neccessary permissions |
| 23:59.40 | Gm4n | I would guess lack of write permission |
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| 23:59.53 | Gm4n | and you solve that by having someone with the appropriate permissions make the directory |
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