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| 00:02.12 | chris081 | okay, but how can i allow my normal account to write in it ? I tried to mkdir the folder already named earlier, but the normal account can't see it, so |
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| 00:03.53 | peterrooney | chris081: you'll have to create the directory using elevated privileges (ordinary users SHOULD NOT be able to write in /usr/local), then change ownership of it to you. (again, will need elevated privileges to do this) then you can call it your own. |
| 00:04.29 | chris081 | (this was ugly!) Ok, on tty1, i've logged in with a 'normal' user, and on tty2, i've logged on as root. I tried to mkdir with the normal user: permission denied. So, i mkdir with the root. Everything's ok, except that the normal user can't see the folder. Is it possible that there is a /usr folder for every each account on the machine (i mean, on for the root, that is different for a normal user)? |
| 00:06.15 | russian_ulysses | chris081, perhaps you have broken perms on /usr/local, which prevents non-roots to see it. Can you show output of ls -ld /usr/local ? |
| 00:06.15 | chris081 | because i want to install mysql, but it should be readeable for my normal account. i'm gonna keep the root to solve problem, installing stuffs and so on |
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| 00:06.31 | peterrooney | chris081: you'll need to run chown : something like ` chown chris081:chris081 /usr/local/sun ' |
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| 00:07.10 | chris081 | ok, thanks |
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| 00:09.08 | chris081 | so i'm better mkdir a folder called apps, and mkdir sun/mysql inside the apps, and setting the right to my normal account only to /usr/local/apps, so he's gonna be able to read the entire content of the apps folder, but not the entire content of /usr/local ? |
| 00:09.37 | chris081 | ey, wait |
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| 00:10.03 | chris081 | don't answer to that, please tell me the name of that thing. i'm gonna check over the web to see if i'm able to find something |
| 00:10.04 | \amethyst | chris081: he has to have at least execute access to /usr/local |
| 00:10.26 | \amethyst | chris081: not necessarily read access, though |
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| 00:11.13 | \amethyst | (though /usr/local should typically be readable, with sensitive files and directories perhaps made unreadable) |
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| 00:15.14 | chris081 | sorry, but i didn't understood the following (my english is quite poor): <\amethyst> chris081: not necessarily read access, though |
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| 00:16.36 | \amethyst | chris081: I mean, if you want user chris081 to be able to access /usr/local/apps/sun/mysql he will have to have execute access on /usr/local, but does not have to have read access on /usr/local |
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| 00:17.30 | chris081 | ok, you mean that there is a readaccess right and an execute access right |
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| 00:18.26 | \amethyst | chris081: yes |
| 00:18.28 | \amethyst | !permissions |
| 00:18.28 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 00:18.49 | \amethyst | chris081: reading the stuff there might not be a bad idea |
| 00:19.09 | \amethyst | chris081: you need to know this stuff if you're going to be administering a Unix system |
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| 00:23.09 | chris081 | ok, thanks, i'm gonna check this out now |
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| 00:24.03 | chris081 | btw, how did you started ? i mean, at school, for fun or you were using something more 'easy' first ? |
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| 00:26.34 | Ricoshady | I have reallllly simple email needs, basically all I need are some alias's that get forwarded to other email addresses, any suggestions? |
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| 00:27.10 | Ricoshady | so user@orig.com would get forwarded to somethingelse@new.com |
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| 00:27.30 | Ricoshady | actually user name would stay the same |
| 00:28.37 | Gm4n | you just want to map one domain onto another? |
| 00:28.53 | Gm4n | are you using postfix or exim or .... ? |
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| 00:31.13 | lazarus477 | Good evening everyone |
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| 00:31.16 | lazarus477 | God included. |
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| 00:32.12 | lazarus477 | So. I have been trying out Xen on NetBSD and now want to make use of Xen in Debian on my laptop. |
| 00:32.25 | lazarus477 | I plan to install Xen with DebianEtch as dom0. |
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| 00:32.32 | lazarus477 | Any thoughts on this, anyone? |
| 00:32.51 | Chameleon | what is most stable debian |
| 00:32.51 | lazarus477 | Any bad problems I might end up with? |
| 00:33.15 | lazarus477 | This is a Lenovo (formerly IBM) T61 ThinkPad with VT support and a DualCore |
| 00:33.18 | z_ | Chameleon: debian stabe 4.0 codename etch |
| 00:33.34 | Chameleon | thx z_ |
| 00:33.50 | Chameleon | wait is that 40r6? |
| 00:33.55 | z_ | yeah. |
| 00:33.57 | lazarus477 | release 6 |
| 00:33.58 | Chameleon | kk |
| 00:34.01 | dustybin | is there a such thing as a debian testing netinstall live cd? |
| 00:34.18 | z_ | dustybin: yes... why? |
| 00:34.19 | lazarus477 | Not what I know of |
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| 00:34.24 | themill | dustybin: yes, /msg dpkg lenny netinstall |
| 00:34.25 | lazarus477 | but I might not know |
| 00:34.35 | lazarus477 | Aha that one |
| 00:34.41 | lazarus477 | I thought he ment Sid |
| 00:34.47 | dustybin | z_: i want to install lenny on vmware for testing some stuff |
| 00:35.36 | dustybin | i cannot find it here anywhere: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 00:35.54 | themill | dustybin: follow the link that dpkg would have given you... |
| 00:36.12 | dustybin | themill: dpkg didnt message me |
| 00:36.26 | z_ | I installed Debian etch base system, upgraded to testing, and am now installing various packages (alsa, xorg, etc), is there an order I should be doing this in? |
| 00:36.35 | themill | dustybin: dpkg is self service as well... [00:34] <themill> dustybin: yes, /msg dpkg lenny netinstall |
| 00:36.39 | Guerin | z_: nope. Have at it. |
| 00:36.41 | dustybin | oh yeah :P |
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| 00:37.38 | z_ | hugs apt for making this easy. |
| 00:38.04 | dustybin | found it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:38.29 | dustybin | hmmmmm why does that mirror say |
| 00:38.31 | dustybin | 'Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80' |
| 00:38.37 | dustybin | and not (Debian) |
| 00:38.45 | dustybin | rubs chin |
| 00:39.02 | z_ | dustybin: does it matter? |
| 00:39.20 | dustybin | z_: of course, debian ftw :D |
| 00:39.26 | z_ | Just because they mirror debian doesn't mean they use it... |
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| 00:40.05 | dustybin | z_: im the kind of guy who would rather use a mirror whats uses debian, rather than a mirror what uses a bsd clone.. |
| 00:40.10 | themill | dustybin: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#servertokens |
| 00:40.38 | z_ | dustybin: some say bsd is better for servers... |
| 00:40.59 | dustybin | ? |
| 00:41.01 | dustybin | really |
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| 00:43.07 | z_ | dustybin: yeah...bsd ftw ;) |
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| 00:43.43 | Ricoshady | Gm4n, i havent selected a email package yet, figured id use whatevr was easiest yet secure |
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| 00:43.59 | jan247 | hi, is there a way if a udp port is open? |
| 00:44.06 | dutchfish | hi, are there any tools to trace sperious interupts on boot in debian repo (preffered lenny)? |
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| 00:44.19 | internat1 | jan247: wanna try that question again? |
| 00:45.02 | rooboy08 | hi i am looking for an encryption solution to transfer & encrypt files from my debian system onto a CD, but it needs to be readable by WIN32/64 users. Any ideas? |
| 00:45.05 | jan247 | i have an ip and a port number.. i'm trying to figure out if i can connect to it. |
| 00:45.10 | newsense | jan247, netstat -ntu |
| 00:45.18 | z_ | dustybin: what do you mean serious interupts? |
| 00:45.22 | dutchfish | jan247, if you mean how can i check connectity on udp port; yes, use iftop |
| 00:45.29 | z_ | dutchfish: * what do you mean serious interupts |
| 00:46.03 | dutchfish | z_, sperious or spourious not sure if it is correctly translated |
| 00:46.06 | dustybin | the new installer looks very fancy :D |
| 00:46.12 | jan247 | tnx :) |
| 00:47.26 | jan247 | oh wait, the udp port is on a remote location. i'm testing if i can connect to it from my pc. |
| 00:48.02 | dutchfish | jan247, or iptraf |
| 00:48.14 | z_ | dutchfish: so you mean when debian randomly halts? I know you can use bootchart to test how long programs run on boot. |
| 00:48.25 | z_ | but that's the extent of my knowledge. |
| 00:48.54 | dutchfish | z_, no, no halts, the kernel get cardons of IRQ on boot when intializing PnP system |
| 00:49.13 | dutchfish | z_, lenny 64bit 2.6.26 |
| 00:49.26 | z_ | dutchfish: sorry, that's beyond me there. |
| 00:49.46 | dutchfish | z_, np |
| 00:50.19 | dustybin | a new part of the installer says 'configuring apt' |
| 00:50.33 | dutchfish | dustybin, yep |
| 00:50.46 | dustybin | i really want a minimal base install |
| 00:50.50 | dustybin | ill see what it says next |
| 00:51.12 | dutchfish | dustybin, apt and is relatives is "base" |
| 00:51.17 | dustybin | ace |
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| 00:51.22 | dutchfish | is/its |
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| 00:51.53 | dustybin | ok, the standard system * is selected |
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| 00:52.10 | z_ | dustybin: then just unselect everything and you'll just keep base install |
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| 00:52.16 | dustybin | ace |
| 00:52.52 | dutchfish | dustybin, or use debootstrap for installing a bare bones (leaner then base) system |
| 00:53.02 | dustybin | dont tell me, my /etc/apt/sources.list will already be configured |
| 00:53.03 | dustybin | ? |
| 00:53.15 | dustybin | reboots and tests |
| 00:53.35 | dustybin | remembers the silly CD line in etch |
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| 00:53.42 | dutchfish | dustybin, depends on verbosity, in expert mode you get some questions about proxy and country, but yes |
| 00:54.00 | live | anyone know how i can increase font size in my terminal |
| 00:54.07 | live | im using just basic xterm |
| 00:54.13 | live | on a standard tv |
| 00:54.16 | live | the txt is all blurred |
| 00:54.22 | live | obviously |
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| 00:54.46 | z_ | live: try xterm -fn monospace ? |
| 00:54.52 | dustybin | wow my sources.list works out of the box!!!! :D |
| 00:54.54 | live | thank you |
| 00:54.56 | live | ill brb |
| 00:56.55 | peterm | hi i've a problem with my bridge configuration: after a reboot the br0 (which includes eth0 and a couple of tap devices) is up and route says it's the default to get out |
| 00:57.12 | peterm | which is ok but if i try to ping something it fails :-( |
| 00:57.30 | dutchfish | peterm, checked iptables? |
| 00:57.34 | peterm | i have to manually remove the bridge, set up eth0 and eth0 as default route and then add it to the bridge |
| 00:57.53 | peterm | dutchfish, i never changed something in iptables, what should i look for? |
| 00:57.55 | dutchfish | peterm, brctl shows that members are made in rightorder? |
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| 00:58.44 | dutchfish | peterm, iptables -L to lstart with |
| 00:58.48 | peterm | dutchfish, which would be the right order? in /etc/network/interface eth0 is the first bridge port but which br0 being a bridge, the order should be irrelevant, shouldn't it? |
| 00:59.22 | peterm | i always thought if i send a package to the bridge it will be send via all interfaces which are member of the bridge |
| 00:59.40 | dutchfish | petemc, well, first you creat a brdige br0 or so, then you attach members BEFORE bringing them up |
| 00:59.55 | dutchfish | peterm, xen? |
| 01:00.15 | unop | peterm, i believe that's the case for broadcast traffic only (if bridges on linux behave like ethernet switches) |
| 01:00.17 | peterm | dutchfish, nope no xen, the tap devices are for qemu machines |
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| 01:00.35 | peterm | i set up the bridge via /etc/network/interfaces so i thought that would do the trick :-/ |
| 01:01.14 | dutchfish | petemc, look at then /etc/qemu there is a boot script for qemy to create the bridge automagically (lenny) |
| 01:01.14 | peterm | ok i'll try iptables -L and then brctl |
| 01:01.24 | dutchfish | s/qemy/qemu |
| 01:01.48 | peterm | dutchfish, nice to know thanks |
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| 01:03.14 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know a good keyboard? |
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| 01:04.09 | Guerin | batcoder-7: define `good' |
| 01:04.39 | simonrvn | good for what? resisting stains? typing? playing games? |
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| 01:04.46 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 01:04.50 | batcoder-7 | Guerin: do you like the mac keyboard ? |
| 01:05.03 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 01:05.12 | batcoder-7 | the one that had a soft button push |
| 01:05.17 | Guerin | batcoder-7: 1. I don't see how that answers my question. 2. I haven't used one recently. |
| 01:05.20 | liable | mine needs to be good at resisting beer and drool |
| 01:05.27 | simonrvn | which one? |
| 01:05.34 | peterm | batcoder-7, cherrie's are good |
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| 01:05.52 | batcoder-7 | i just want a keyboard that is comfortable and maybe has that mac style button push |
| 01:05.56 | dutchfish | peterm, i didnt like the qemu way of setting up the bridge, here is how i do it: http://paste.debian.net/25648/ |
| 01:06.04 | Guerin | batcoder-7: maybe buy a mac keyboard? |
| 01:06.15 | batcoder-7 | maybe |
| 01:06.23 | batcoder-7 | i was seeing if there was any pc counterparts like it |
| 01:06.28 | simonrvn | keep your mouse though ;). |
| 01:06.33 | batcoder-7 | the mac keyboard is really thin |
| 01:06.53 | batcoder-7 | they got a 2 button mouse now i think |
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| 01:07.04 | simonrvn | dunno, mine was a dumpster find, and it's a logitech access |
| 01:07.07 | Guerin | batcoder-7: but it costs as much as a 12-button mouse |
| 01:07.15 | dustybin | does debian lenny automatically chroot bind9? |
| 01:07.19 | simonrvn | i like it well enough |
| 01:07.27 | peterm | dutchfish ah thx, but what's that with brctl stp br0 off? |
| 01:07.28 | dustybin | like it does with postfix |
| 01:07.36 | simonrvn | dustybin: no, but easy to set up |
| 01:07.47 | dustybin | aye ok, i have a guide already |
| 01:07.54 | batcoder-7 | i really would lik a keyboard with that soft push |
| 01:07.56 | peterm | can bridgeds talk to each over? i that you need a brigde of bridges to do that |
| 01:07.56 | dutchfish | petemc, i have more bridges in this lan, and they twitter alot i dont nwant (need) that |
| 01:08.00 | batcoder-7 | soft keys or w/e its called |
| 01:08.22 | lfaraone | How can I tell iptables to DENY all outgoing requests to 192.168.1.* other than 192.168.1.{1,2}? |
| 01:08.32 | dutchfish | peterm, yes, needed when making vlans |
| 01:08.45 | Guerin | lfaraone: #iptables |
| 01:08.55 | peterm | dutchfish, ok i think i never set eth0 to promiscous mode |
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| 01:09.12 | dutchfish | petemc, why? |
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| 01:09.15 | lfaraone | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 01:09.24 | dutchfish | petemc, you need that for a brdige |
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| 01:09.40 | peterm | dutchfish, because i didn't know you have to, i just look at your configuration in contrast to mine |
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| 01:09.54 | dutchfish | petemc, good good ;) |
| 01:09.59 | peterm | dutchfish, did you use a special tutorial or something you can point me out? |
| 01:10.17 | dutchfish | peterm, bits and peaces from the net and the kernel docs |
| 01:10.42 | dutchfish | petemc, rusty's iptables too, you should read |
| 01:10.47 | peterm | dutchfish, i have read some documentation but it was mainly about ,,call this script and then magic happens'' |
| 01:11.06 | peterm | ok do i have to take the bridge down in order to add more interfaces to it? |
| 01:11.12 | dutchfish | peterm, install kernel-docs, many jewels in there ;) |
| 01:11.38 | dutchfish | petemc, nope |
| 01:12.03 | peterm | dutchfish, why do you use ifconfig to set promisc mode an ip to remove it, any magic behind? |
| 01:12.05 | dutchfish | peterm, and you could easely extend my script |
| 01:12.17 | peterm | dutchfish, i'm currently doing so ;-) |
| 01:12.21 | chris081 | if i d/l a file with the following extension : .rpm.bin will i be able to execute it on debian, or if .rpm file type's still owner by redhat ? |
| 01:12.33 | karsten | Anyone know WTF MSI is WRT ethernet and NICs? |
| 01:12.47 | dutchfish | peterm, ifconfig sets ip and brings it up, i find this elegant |
| 01:12.56 | pipeline_ | karsten: probably rebranding broadcom like everyone else in the world ;) |
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| 01:13.39 | karsten | pipeline_: It's a module option for the forcedeth device. |
| 01:13.59 | karsten | pipeline_: NVidia nForce NIC. We're having a gawdawful time with oopses and panics. |
| 01:14.26 | pipeline_ | karsten: buy a better NIC, they're like seven bucks now. |
| 01:14.43 | karsten | pipeline_: $20k server. I think it's onboard. |
| 01:14.43 | peterm | dutchfish, ok one final question, why does the bridge need a ip? |
| 01:14.51 | karsten | pipeline_: But yeah, that was one of my first thoughts. |
| 01:14.55 | pipeline_ | karsten: hahah you were ripped off |
| 01:15.06 | karsten | pipeline_: Genstore. Go figure. |
| 01:15.06 | pipeline_ | a 20k server should have no nvidia products in it ;) |
| 01:15.10 | dutchfish | peterm, it doesnt but i want my machine reachable by ssh |
| 01:15.17 | pipeline_ | karsten: I've never heard of them and that pretty much sums it up. |
| 01:15.36 | pipeline_ | karsten: I only buy from the big vendors, and there's a reason for that. Even when the hardware is crappy, it is adequately tested and fully supported :X |
| 01:15.45 | karsten | pipeline_: I'm inclined to agree with that. I don't have much good to say about broadcom either |
| 01:16.01 | dutchfish | peterm, and i can attach ipatble roule as well to this ip |
| 01:16.22 | dutchfish | s/ipatble/iptable |
| 01:16.37 | peterm | dutchfish, ah ok i always thought eth0 will still be awailable to reach the host machine |
| 01:16.53 | dutchfish | peterm, ;) |
| 01:17.23 | dutchfish | peterm, i admit its confusing abit at first |
| 01:17.48 | peterm | dutchfish, yes indeed, it is *g* but i think i'm behind it now |
| 01:17.48 | dutchfish | peterm, thats why i scripted it, i dont want to reinvent "the wheel" on daily basis |
| 01:17.52 | peterm | at least a bit |
| 01:18.08 | dutchfish | petemc, yw |
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| 01:18.53 | peterm | dutchfish, line 30 to 31, how do you know tunctl -u root just created tap0? |
| 01:19.09 | dutchfish | peterm, also you can siwtch to brdige and back to normal without changing interfaces |
| 01:19.35 | karsten | pipeline_: We're mostly rackable and genstore. New gig. |
| 01:19.46 | karsten | pipeline_: I'm very partial to Intel NICs though. And I'v |
| 01:20.05 | karsten | e seen crap even from good vendors, though most of 'em are getting way more serious about Linux now. IBM, Sun, HP, Dell. |
| 01:20.17 | dutchfish | peterm, normally my script resides in /etc/init.d/ (sysv), so yes, but feel free to improve it by logging errors |
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| 01:21.07 | peterm | dutchfish, ah ok |
| 01:21.22 | simonrvn | karsten: :D |
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| 01:21.31 | peterm | dutchfish, thanks again i'll be back with more problems ;-) |
| 01:21.39 | dutchfish | peterm, i posted it as explanation, not bulletproove, no waranty included ;) |
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| 01:26.38 | chris081 | so, if i understood correctly what i've readed, the chmod sets the right the used CAN have, the umask sets the right the user CAN'T have, the ; in a shell allows us to enter more than one command (mkdir sun; chdir sun; mkdir mysql), the + sign ADDS right (chmod +777 .bashrc), the - sign REMOVES right (chmod -777 .bashrc), the = sign isn't commented. Using a command without any signs only set the 'primary' rights? |
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| 01:27.18 | chris081 | (chmod 777 .bashrc) |
| 01:27.36 | simonrvn | umask sets the perms on a file or dir when it's created |
| 01:28.01 | simonrvn | e.g., umask of 002 will make a dir 775 and a file 664 |
| 01:28.13 | simonrvn | man chmod |
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| 01:29.52 | simonrvn | so when you see a file, say, and it's got 644 that means the umask was 022 |
| 01:30.20 | simonrvn | chris081: it's easy 777 - $umask = perms |
| 01:30.31 | simonrvn | for dirs |
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| 01:31.08 | simonrvn | chris081: btw, you don't want your .bashrc to be 666 or 777. not a good idea at all |
| 01:31.27 | simonrvn | (not a good idea most of the time...) |
| 01:31.43 | chris081 | lol, probably, but this was the file used as an example in the text that i've just finished to read |
| 01:32.27 | simonrvn | chris081: i've never bothered to use -/+/= when using numeric chmod |
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| 01:32.41 | simonrvn | i however use them when using letters |
| 01:33.54 | chris081 | they speak a few about the s letter |
| 01:34.42 | chris081 | but, for now, as this is totally new for me, i'm gonna practice using numbers, after i'll learn about the letters |
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| 01:35.55 | simonrvn | s, depending on where it is, is set, setgid, setuid |
| 01:36.17 | simonrvn | means set this to the group or user id the file/dir is set to |
| 01:36.31 | chris081 | setgid is for set group id ? and setuid if for 'set user id' ? |
| 01:36.33 | simonrvn | when accessed, or run |
| 01:36.41 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 01:37.06 | chris081 | but, what about the system ? i mean, if i perform a search ? |
| 01:37.31 | simonrvn | so say you have a dir, that has setgid foo. instead of being your primary group, when you creae a file in it, it'll be group foo |
| 01:38.19 | ayande | anyone know a good tutorial for installing debian with vmware? |
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| 01:38.45 | ayande | i cant get graphical interface to work :< |
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| 01:41.53 | chris081 | (well, i guess that if i perform a search, the system's gonna check if i have the right to read the dir's content. if so, he's gonna include the content in the results, if not, the dir's won't be listed, except if i have the right to read/execute the file that i'm looking for) |
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| 01:42.41 | simonrvn | if you're not allowed to read a file or dir, find grep, etc. will say so |
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| 01:46.21 | pipeline_ | karsten: All Dell hardware goes through dead cat testing labs. Sun has its own labs. IBM and SuSE have some kind of a relationship. |
| 01:46.31 | chris081 | in the /etc/passwd file, how could i retreive the group that a user is member of (i have useraccount:x:500:500:UserAccount:/home/UserAccount:/bin/bash) |
| 01:46.45 | pipeline_ | karsten: Dell occasionally uses broadcom NICs instead of Intel, but, hell, fuck it. Broadcom isn't what it used to be... |
| 01:47.18 | simonrvn | chris081: id username is one way. getent passwd username [or useridnumber] |
| 01:49.23 | chris081 | well, i'm currently not on my linux. so i can't try out what you've telled to me. i'm gonna write it on paper and try it out later. |
| 01:49.46 | simonrvn | man chmod can be found online |
| 01:49.53 | simonrvn | as well as other ones |
| 01:50.48 | chris081 | oh, chmod, if i readed and understood correctly, this function only set one or more times the right a user/group to 'access' a file/dir contents. |
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| 01:52.27 | simonrvn | there's a lot of basic commands to learn ;). but take your time, the more you learn, the more complex things you can do safely. |
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| 01:52.42 | chris081 | the values possible for chmod are from 000 to 777, in a octal based numbers, where the most left value are for the read right, the center one are for the write right, and the left-most one are for the execute right |
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| 01:53.26 | chris081 | (...), and the RIGHT-most one are for the execute right |
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| 01:55.51 | simonrvn | and that's for each one, there's 4 total, for user, group, and other (or world). there's also a fourth one for stuff like t, sticky, etc. |
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| 01:56.34 | chris081 | ah, the page site i readed didn't speak about the fourth group |
| 01:57.09 | simonrvn | take a look a /tmp, with ls -ld /tmp |
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| 01:57.12 | simonrvn | at* |
| 01:57.15 | dustybin | anybody remember what causes this to pause: |
| 01:57.16 | dustybin | debian:~# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:57.16 | dustybin | Reconfiguring network interfaces... |
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| 01:57.59 | craigevil-eee | ayande: the vmware site has premade debian images |
| 01:58.06 | ayande | oh |
| 01:58.11 | ayande | ok thanks |
| 01:58.17 | ayande | i try that |
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| 02:02.24 | mordy | what does '~i' mean in aptitude reinstall '~i'? |
| 02:03.10 | simonrvn | good question. check the help file in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 02:03.30 | simonrvn | might need to install aptitude-doc-$2-letter-lang-code |
| 02:04.39 | mordy | |?installed |~i |Select installed packages. | |
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| 02:04.46 | mordy | :P |
| 02:04.50 | mordy | and all i did was a grep |
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| 02:05.06 | simonrvn | ok. kinda what i thought it might be, but no clue |
| 02:05.15 | simonrvn | ty |
| 02:05.45 | mordy | hehe, i'm trying to figure out the best way to fix my system |
| 02:06.30 | mordy | i don't really have anything important on it, so i guess i can do a clean install, but i've been kind of persistent with this computer in making sure that i don't need to actually do any drastic changes, and it's been successful (with much hard work, i may add) so fart |
| 02:06.38 | mordy | far* .. d'oh what a typo |
| 02:07.06 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 02:07.29 | simonrvn | TypooftheDay |
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| 02:08.13 | mordy | meh, i'm actually wondering why i dopn't see it happen more oftenl considering i have a pretty crappy keyboard and the RT keys right next to each other |
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| 02:08.48 | chris081 | as the page say, the file permissions are UNIX based system, so if one day i install Solaris, i won't be totally lost, if i understood them in linux? |
| 02:08.56 | simonrvn | r and t are next to each other one mine too ;) |
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| 02:09.01 | simonrvn | on* |
| 02:09.20 | mordy | well, everyone uses QWERTY, or almost everyone who speaks enlgihs |
| 02:09.27 | mordy | lots of other kayboard layouts |
| 02:10.03 | simonrvn | yup, sure are |
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| 02:11.32 | mikeifying | woot opera irc haha |
| 02:11.36 | mikeifying | <-- is miek |
| 02:11.38 | mikeifying | mike* |
| 02:12.08 | simonrvn | hello |
| 02:12.28 | mikeifying | did goodger leave? |
| 02:12.41 | simonrvn | no, you're on irc.freenode.net |
| 02:12.41 | phorce1 | mike --- you're on freenode here. You left goodger on oftc |
| 02:12.42 | streuner | !seen goodger |
| 02:12.42 | dpkg | goodger <~ben@host86-156-58-171.range86-156.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19m 14s ago, saying: 'no, I don't, sorry'. |
| 02:12.49 | mikeifying | ahh i see |
| 02:13.02 | mikeifying | -.- |
| 02:13.10 | mikeifying | im so bad at this irc thing -.- |
| 02:13.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:13.27 | simonrvn | it's ok, even experienced people get confused ;) |
| 02:13.34 | phorce1 | same #chan on multiple networks make it more fun |
| 02:13.40 | mikeifying | haha |
| 02:13.43 | Ricoshady | anyone have suggesttions on an easy email solution? all I need is email forwarding |
| 02:13.43 | simonrvn | for sure ;) |
| 02:13.51 | Ricoshady | exim4? |
| 02:13.52 | mikeifying | hey while im here i have a question i think my hardrive maybe going bad |
| 02:13.58 | mikeifying | my debian crashed this morning |
| 02:14.09 | mikeifying | and said that i had to run fsck |
| 02:14.17 | phorce1 | has #debian and #debian-offtopic open on both networks all the time |
| 02:14.23 | simonrvn | run smartctl on it |
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| 02:14.25 | mikeifying | i ran it and said i had bad logical blocks is that a bad thing |
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| 02:14.49 | mikeifying | is that a command or a program haha |
| 02:15.12 | streuner | !info smartmontools |
| 02:15.38 | dpkg | smartmontools: (control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.38-2 (sid), Packaged size: 317 kB, Installed size: 708 kB |
| 02:15.43 | simonrvn | oh you poor slow Debian.pl |
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| 02:16.15 | streuner | sure |
| 02:16.31 | streuner | blootbot isnt that fast anyway |
| 02:17.07 | streuner | well, i run it on a very slow machine in the past... |
| 02:17.15 | simonrvn | s/bloot/info/ |
| 02:17.27 | mikeifying | ok well im getting the smartmon thing |
| 02:17.28 | streuner | simonrvn: :-P |
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| 02:17.57 | simonrvn | was merged back into infobot like last year ;) |
| 02:17.59 | streuner | mikeifying: well, what simonrvn wanna tell you, is the HD broken or not... |
| 02:18.40 | mikeifying | well see im not sure ive had problems on this computer with the hd before i fear its going bad again |
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| 02:19.06 | mikeifying | my debian install just kinda died out of no where telling me i had bad logical blocks and corrupted os files |
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| 02:19.36 | streuner | could be a FS problem too |
| 02:19.44 | mikeifying | yeah |
| 02:19.47 | mikeifying | i reinstalled |
| 02:19.50 | mikeifying | and its working fine |
| 02:19.53 | mikeifying | so im not sure |
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| 02:20.33 | ShikadiLord | um, there is no package of the svn book for lenny? |
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| 02:21.57 | simonrvn | iirc it's in non-free, if in debian at all |
| 02:22.27 | ShikadiLord | I have non-free and contrib in my sources.list, yet I couldn't find anything like that |
| 02:22.55 | simonrvn | ok, so it isn't |
| 02:23.14 | mordy | stupid grub |
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| 02:24.00 | mordy | lately the grub scripts have really been doing a horribel job and have forced me to actually do most grub-related stuff manually |
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| 02:24.37 | bzed | the grub maintainer spends more time on creating useless GRs |
| 02:24.44 | mordy | GRs? |
| 02:24.45 | bzed | instead of maintaining packages |
| 02:25.23 | ShikadiLord | (is that in sid, right?) :) |
| 02:25.35 | streuner | !gr |
| 02:25.35 | dpkg | somebody said gr was for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
| 02:25.56 | streuner | mordy: last term what dpkg told us |
| 02:26.31 | streuner | mordy: some DDs decides whats wrong or not |
| 02:26.48 | streuner | and DD's are Debian Developers |
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| 02:29.50 | mordy | although i still like grub |
| 02:30.21 | streuner | used all the time lilo, but grub is fucking easy... |
| 02:31.11 | mordy | i wish i could just read some guides on vms and expand my sphere of experimentation :P |
| 02:31.11 | streuner | it solved many problems for new users |
| 02:31.20 | mordy | but so far i'm playing around with real systems |
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| 02:34.59 | chris081 | i finished to read another page. and if i am right, the ~ represents the home directory of the user, the command export varname=value; sets up a new variable called varname with value (but for the shell session only, or forever?) and the login process are /etc/pam.d/login; /etc/profile; home/.bash_profile; home/.bash_login; .profile and then prompt ? |
| 02:35.12 | MattCampbell | Does anybody ever install Debian directly from sid for a system that's not their primary? |
| 02:35.27 | MattCampbell | I ask because I've read that many Debian devs prefer to run sid. |
| 02:36.02 | chris081 | !ping |
| 02:36.02 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:36.21 | ameyer | I didn't think that it was possible to directly install sid from the binaries provided by debian |
| 02:36.35 | ameyer | or don't think, or whatever. |
| 02:36.49 | MattCampbell | OK, then I won't try. |
| 02:37.18 | karsten | Where's the Debianized way of putting module parameters / options (kernel mods). |
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| 02:38.42 | mordy | hmm.. what do i do about "Wasn't able to locate file for <package>"? how do i get around this? |
| 02:39.03 | mordy | i mean i'm trying to simply reinstall my whole system without actually reinstalling my entire system |
| 02:41.01 | stoned | what? |
| 02:41.09 | stoned | you says you can't directly install sid? |
| 02:41.24 | simonrvn | you can't |
| 02:41.29 | stoned | sure you can |
| 02:41.51 | simonrvn | you have a sid install cd handy, then? |
| 02:42.20 | stoned | while using the lenny d-i, specify boot parameter debconf_priority=low, upon mirror selection pick sid, it will fetch everything from sid. |
| 02:42.24 | liable | expert mode |
| 02:42.26 | stoned | simonrvn, no |
| 02:42.30 | liable | or that |
| 02:42.55 | simonrvn | not default, no |
| 02:43.19 | mordy | i'm quite sure that d-i uses a source.list file |
| 02:43.47 | simonrvn | it creates a sources.list on the target |
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| 02:43.58 | stoned | you never said anything about default or non-default, simply it was said that you can't install. I simply said it does and showed you. |
| 02:44.03 | stoned | I'm gonna go have a smoke |
| 02:44.20 | simonrvn | otherwise it runs a debootstrap at that point |
| 02:44.41 | simonrvn | stoned: yup, and thanks. i honestly didn't know about that. |
| 02:44.57 | stoned | oh word amn |
| 02:44.58 | stoned | anytime |
| 02:45.01 | stoned | you da man :) |
| 02:45.11 | mordy | the only thing that is particularly confined to the installer is the kernel |
| 02:45.11 | ameyer | FWIW, I thought you needed to install testing and edit your sources.list and dist-upgrade |
| 02:45.40 | simonrvn | that's what i usually do |
| 02:45.51 | mordy | but once you have the kernel loaded, and once it loads all the packages needed for the installer, you actually have a live debian install running |
| 02:45.55 | Ace2016_- | i don't think you can netinstall to sid |
| 02:45.59 | simonrvn | or do stable -> unstable |
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| 02:46.18 | Ace2016_- | but you can do a chroot install to sid without going through lenny |
| 02:46.24 | simonrvn | mordy: a base install yeh, but unconfigured |
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| 02:46.37 | liable | Ace2016_-: you can. see what was said above |
| 02:46.47 | simonrvn | but at that point it won't matter anyway |
| 02:46.56 | craigevil-eee | business card>expert mode will let you install sid |
| 02:47.53 | mordy | simonrvn, i haven't tried it yet, but i'm gathering that the installer is oblivious to what it's actually installing and just runs a set of configuration scripts |
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| 02:48.32 | liable | of course, it doesn't have AI ;) |
| 02:48.49 | simonrvn | pretty flexible nonetheless |
| 02:49.27 | mordy | but what do i do about aptitude not wanting to reinstall everything? |
| 02:49.58 | mordy | it's giving me messages like "was unable to locate file for <package>" and then stops |
| 02:50.19 | simonrvn | reinstall that package |
| 02:50.32 | simonrvn | might want --force-confmiss |
| 02:50.47 | simonrvn | msg the bot about that |
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| 02:51.10 | mordy | ok, let me see what dpkg has to say lol |
| 02:51.31 | mordy | simonrvn, i'm trying to reinstall *all* packages, and there are probably many more packages like that |
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| 02:52.04 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 02:53.15 | Ricoshady | anyone have a suggestion on a good opensource vpn? |
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| 02:53.52 | mordy | simonrvn, so basically aptitude/dpkg won't touch a package if it sees that its configuration files are missing? |
| 02:54.06 | mordy | (unless of course i use --force-confmiss) |
| 02:54.26 | simonrvn | it'll make the cuatious decision that you've decided to remove it |
| 02:54.31 | simonrvn | cau* |
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| 02:57.18 | stoned | mmmm pasta |
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| 02:59.01 | mentor | Sigh |
| 02:59.12 | mentor | Every euro geek channel I am on is dead |
| 02:59.19 | stoned | aww |
| 02:59.35 | avu | well, it's 4am in the good parts of europe right now.. |
| 02:59.46 | mentor | Yes, prime time. |
| 02:59.49 | mordy | what time is it in the bad parts of europe? |
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| 03:00.02 | avu | mordy, something other than 4am :) |
| 03:00.10 | mordy | hmm..what time is it in france? |
| 03:00.24 | stoned | mordy, +4-+7 our time |
| 03:00.25 | mentor | begins dissecting the iBook |
| 03:00.26 | mentor | CET |
| 03:00.41 | avu | mordy, 4am |
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| 03:01.07 | stoned | mordy, they are ahead by like 6 hours or so on average but it is 1 hour every 15 degrees |
| 03:01.17 | stoned | so bout 4-8 covering all of erurope etc. |
| 03:01.23 | mordy | not 8 |
| 03:01.28 | mordy | unless you count russia |
| 03:01.31 | stoned | well maybe not that high |
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| 03:01.42 | mentor | Or Israel |
| 03:01.43 | stoned | I said 7 |
| 03:01.49 | mordy | israel is +7 |
| 03:01.52 | mentor | Not part of europe despite Eurovision |
| 03:01.54 | evan_ | is it possible to get Gcc for i686? |
| 03:02.00 | mentor | yes... |
| 03:02.01 | stoned | evan_, yes |
| 03:02.02 | evan_ | i have i486 |
| 03:02.05 | stoned | its fine |
| 03:02.08 | evan_ | how? |
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| 03:02.19 | mentor | WAYTTD |
| 03:02.21 | mentor | ? |
| 03:02.24 | stoned | you really need to get tha specific, you should know the answser. |
| 03:02.36 | mordy | WAYTTD? |
| 03:02.39 | chris081 | ok. now i should go and take a shower, after i'm gonna sleep. but before i will read my emails and answers some questions about java in forums. Thanks everybody for your help and have a good night. |
| 03:02.56 | stoned | nite |
| 03:03.18 | evan_ | mentor, spell it out. |
| 03:03.20 | mentor | !wayttd |
| 03:03.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 03:03.24 | mordy | lol |
| 03:03.26 | evan_ | ok |
| 03:03.37 | evan_ | i just want to compile stuff for 686 |
| 03:03.52 | evan_ | so how do i do that |
| 03:03.58 | simonrvn | -march |
| 03:04.11 | stoned | you need to specifically optimize something for 686 but you are on a 486? |
| 03:04.12 | mentor | It's quite possibly pointless though |
| 03:04.16 | stoned | how do you suppose that will work? |
| 03:04.18 | simonrvn | man gcc |
| 03:04.36 | evan_ | i mean, gcc says it has i486 |
| 03:04.47 | simonrvn | mentor: unless there's math intensive stuff, yeh |
| 03:05.00 | mentor | Indeed |
| 03:05.11 | evan_ | 1$ gcc -c semaphores -march=686 semaphores.c |
| 03:05.11 | evan_ | semaphores.c:1: error: bad value (686) for -march= switch |
| 03:05.11 | evan_ | semaphores.c:1: error: bad value (686) for -mtune= switch |
| 03:05.12 | stoned | simonrvn, what time are you in? |
| 03:05.12 | mentor | But then it might make more sense to use an optimised library |
| 03:05.28 | evan_ | No i'm not on a 486 |
| 03:05.42 | simonrvn | stoned: EST like you |
| 03:05.45 | stoned | oh |
| 03:06.07 | stoned | i thought you were in the other end of canada, around washintonstate |
| 03:06.08 | stoned | heh |
| 03:06.28 | mentor | hmm |
| 03:06.32 | simonrvn | evan_: enable contribe non-free in sources.list, update, and install gcc-doc |
| 03:06.34 | mentor | I appear to be missing a foot |
| 03:06.40 | stoned | ! |
| 03:07.11 | mentor | wonders where it went |
| 03:07.20 | evan_ | simonrvn, done |
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| 03:07.32 | stoned | look under your butt, I sometimes sit half cross legged with my foot under mybutt |
| 03:07.52 | mordy | :| |
| 03:07.54 | mentor | No, it's fallen off somewhere |
| 03:08.17 | stoned | oh that foot |
| 03:08.17 | simonrvn | hands mentor an _ |
| 03:08.54 | mordy | what exactly is "::" in aptitude? is it a configuration file syntax, is it a command syntax? |
| 03:08.55 | mentor | simonrvn: Thanks... err, why? |
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| 03:09.06 | mentor | mordy: er? |
| 03:09.21 | liable | whistles the tune to "detachble penis" |
| 03:09.24 | mordy | i don't know, i guess i'm just unfamiliar with it |
| 03:09.44 | simonrvn | mentor: isn't that the foot you were speaking of? :) |
| 03:09.53 | mentor | Well spin my nipple nuts and send me to Alaska |
| 03:09.54 | mordy | err.. wait, i think c# has "::" |
| 03:10.00 | mentor | simonrvn: no, that's an underscore |
| 03:10.02 | stoned | simonrvn, I think he meant his shoe |
| 03:10.07 | stoned | he misplaced one of his shoes |
| 03:10.09 | stoned | ? |
| 03:10.10 | mentor | No, definitely foot |
| 03:10.11 | simonrvn | mordy: derives from the perl stuff it uses |
| 03:10.20 | mentor | The iBook sits wonky now |
| 03:10.23 | stoned | then thats just completely mental |
| 03:10.27 | stoned | oh that foot |
| 03:10.28 | mordy | i shoudl learn perl |
| 03:10.29 | stoned | oh good lord |
| 03:10.37 | stoned | !smack mentor |
| 03:10.37 | simonrvn | *oh* that foot |
| 03:10.37 | dpkg | smacks mentor upside the head. |
| 03:10.47 | mordy | !foot |
| 03:10.59 | mordy | lol |
| 03:11.05 | evan_ | ok, does anyone know about compiling source packages? i want to recompile emacs for i686 but i don't know where to find the options |
| 03:11.14 | evan_ | using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 03:11.18 | newsense | anyone good with egrep regular expressions and want to look at something for me ? |
| 03:11.21 | simonrvn | evan_: why? |
| 03:11.32 | evan_ | simonrvn, because I can :P |
| 03:11.36 | evan_ | newsense, sure |
| 03:11.58 | simonrvn | evan_: not much point to it, imo |
| 03:12.02 | stoned | more than likely because people told you to in #emacs because they dislike the debian versions, some of them claim debian fucks emacs up |
| 03:12.06 | stoned | ? |
| 03:12.07 | newsense | trying to match this Jan 9 20:23:33 devious firefox-bin: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "www.google.com", got "homeportal.gateway.2wire.net" |
| 03:12.16 | evan_ | stoned, Um, no..... |
| 03:12.17 | newsense | ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} [._[:alnum:]-]+ [:alpha:]: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "[:alnum:]", got "homeportal.gateway.2wire.net"$ |
| 03:12.21 | newsense | thsts what i got |
| 03:12.23 | stoned | evan_, whew, thank god |
| 03:12.29 | newsense | not matching though |
| 03:12.39 | evan_ | I am sick of packages that compile for i486 |
| 03:13.17 | mentor | evan_: Any particular reason? |
| 03:13.20 | evan_ | newsense, which parts are you trying to extract |
| 03:13.24 | newsense | would like to match any app not just firefox-bin and any host not just google.com |
| 03:13.46 | newsense | itsfor my logcheck rules, ive created others but cant get this one |
| 03:13.55 | evan_ | mentor, i want stuff to be optimized |
| 03:14.07 | simonrvn | !gentoosmite evan_ |
| 03:14.07 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling evan_, and when it's all done, evan_ runs 0.2% faster than previously |
| 03:14.23 | evan_ | ha, you people are terrible |
| 03:14.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:14.45 | mentor | evan_: I think you should probably use gentoo |
| 03:14.46 | evan_ | anyway, even if there isn't much benefit, how do you do it? |
| 03:14.56 | evan_ | GENTOO ****ING SUCKS I HATE IT |
| 03:14.58 | evan_ | sry |
| 03:15.01 | zinx | evan_: you use gentoo |
| 03:15.03 | evan_ | don't even bring up gentoo |
| 03:15.06 | mordy | hmm.. --force-confmiss didn't help :| |
| 03:15.07 | mentor | evan_: the march options to gcc |
| 03:15.12 | mordy | i still get the same message |
| 03:15.17 | mordy | maybe i'll check the logs |
| 03:15.37 | simonrvn | mordy: using it in aptitude with -o like the factoid said |
| 03:15.43 | newsense | never tried gentoo myself |
| 03:15.53 | simonrvn | mentor: i told him that already =) |
| 03:16.14 | mentor | simonrvn: I was hoping he would realise that |
| 03:16.26 | simonrvn | :D |
| 03:16.35 | evan_ | where do the default CFLAGS come from? |
| 03:16.41 | mordy | simonrvn, yes |
| 03:16.57 | newsense | evan_, bash ? |
| 03:17.00 | mordy | maybe it's not a configuration file that's missing |
| 03:17.10 | mentor | Makefiles |
| 03:17.26 | simonrvn | yes, that only does what are called conffiles |
| 03:17.37 | mordy | maybe... hrrm... maybe the .deb isn't in the repository anymore? |
| 03:17.50 | simonrvn | er? |
| 03:18.14 | dustybin | you just cant get the staff these days: http://ubuntuforums.org/ |
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| 03:18.24 | dustybin | ubuntu ftw o_0 |
| 03:18.39 | simonrvn | er? |
| 03:18.52 | dustybin | click on the link |
| 03:18.55 | mordy | gah, i can't find a mention of it anywhere |
| 03:19.10 | simonrvn | ah |
| 03:19.19 | mordy | which other logs should i look at? i've tried /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude |
| 03:19.39 | simonrvn | all of those |
| 03:19.43 | evan_ | newsense, i've gotta run but try #regex |
| 03:19.51 | simonrvn | (they get rotated) |
| 03:19.57 | newsense | ok cool thanks didnt know of that channel |
| 03:20.00 | nsadmin | wonder if ubuntuforums uses mysql... |
| 03:20.09 | mordy | yeah, but the newest one should be the one without a number, right? |
| 03:20.12 | simonrvn | likely |
| 03:20.18 | mordy | yet the last entry i see in either of them is from 4 hours ago |
| 03:20.19 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:20.27 | dustybin | they are using debian unstable, would do you expect :P |
| 03:20.27 | fmr | how can I update from mirrors that are not set "updates" ? |
| 03:20.45 | dustybin | *what |
| 03:20.51 | simonrvn | er? |
| 03:21.23 | dustybin | "Ubuntu takes a snapshot of Debian unstable and then creates a small fork, recompiling and stabilizing the code to get a final stable release." |
| 03:21.29 | nsadmin | dustybin: they could at least choose a db where they can define constraints |
| 03:21.40 | nsadmin | they still do that? |
| 03:21.50 | dustybin | its written here: http://lwn.net/Distributions/ |
| 03:21.52 | nsadmin | why not upgrade what they have? |
| 03:21.58 | fmr | in sources.list some mirror have lenny/updates and others not (like for kde, multimedia...) I would like to updates them without to modifty sources.list |
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| 03:22.28 | simonrvn | fmr: they're set like that for a reason |
| 03:22.48 | fmr | more exactly? |
| 03:23.13 | Gun_Smoke | have someone running ubuntu 'cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:23.17 | simonrvn | yes exactly |
| 03:23.31 | fmr | ... |
| 03:23.59 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 03:24.22 | mordy | hmm... is there anything wrong with this syntax? rgrep "vnc-common" /var/log/? |
| 03:24.32 | simonrvn | depends on the source layout |
| 03:24.42 | mordy | (that's the package that aptitude is currently complaining about) |
| 03:25.03 | mordy | but rgrep isn't retuning anything |
| 03:25.13 | nsadmin | mordy: does it say it's having a problem with syntax? |
| 03:25.19 | mordy | nor does it seem to be placing much of an effort in searching |
| 03:25.28 | mordy | ^ |
| 03:25.59 | nsadmin | probably this is exactly the same: grep -r vnc-common /var/log/ |
| 03:26.27 | mordy | well, the syntax is good then |
| 03:26.39 | mordy | now the question is where can i find more details on what aptitude is complaning about |
| 03:26.41 | simonrvn | i alias grep to grep -E and tack on -options |
| 03:26.59 | simonrvn | it's probably dpkg whining |
| 03:27.05 | nsadmin | mordy: do you have the exact text of aptitude's complaint? |
| 03:27.16 | nsadmin | exact and complete |
| 03:27.34 | mordy | it's a few lines... i'm not using X and i don't know how to paste in console |
| 03:27.56 | mordy | and even if i find a pastebin site that supports sending a file, i wouldn't know how to put the url in irssi |
| 03:28.00 | nsadmin | want a pipe for pastebinning? |
| 03:28.09 | simonrvn | | |
| 03:28.28 | simonrvn | have a pipe |
| 03:28.28 | mentor | I hate it when screws that I didn't undo fall out |
| 03:28.34 | nsadmin | so you can send any output to a pastebin? |
| 03:28.36 | mentor | beats simonrvn with the pipe |
| 03:28.39 | mordy | lol |
| 03:28.44 | mordy | well, i know how to pipe |
| 03:28.52 | mordy | the problem is remembering the url of the paste |
| 03:28.54 | stoned | <-- give pipe |
| 03:28.56 | nsadmin | there's a script you can pipe to |
| 03:29.11 | mordy | smokes pipe |
| 03:29.20 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:29.20 | simonrvn | stick that in your | and smoke it |
| 03:29.25 | nsadmin | stoned: we knew you were going to pipe in eventually :P |
| 03:29.31 | stoned | !pastebin pipe |
| 03:29.31 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 03:30.00 | nsadmin | I like to rename paste2pastebin.pl to stdin-pastebin |
| 03:30.07 | mordy | lol |
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| 03:31.14 | evan_ | !kde |
| 03:31.14 | dpkg | it has been said that kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 03:31.32 | mordy | //pastebin.com/f3a59f765 |
| 03:33.03 | mordy | d'oh |
| 03:33.23 | mordy | gah, i need to pipe stderr too (now how do i do that? lol) |
| 03:33.33 | simonrvn | aptitude install gpm w3m |
| 03:33.38 | simonrvn | that's mine |
| 03:33.59 | mordy | well, it works for me, i just didn't pastebin correctly :P |
| 03:34.31 | mordy | err... how does this work? .... &1>2? or something like that? |
| 03:34.47 | simonrvn | 2>&1 |
| 03:34.58 | mordy | lol i had ti all backwards |
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| 03:35.29 | mordy | 1 is stderr? |
| 03:35.58 | simonrvn | out |
| 03:37.11 | mordy | http://pastebin.com/f628729ef |
| 03:37.16 | mordy | ok, that's the entire thing |
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| 03:40.13 | simonrvn | 217 lines for little info :/ |
| 03:40.25 | mordy | simonrvn, yeah |
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| 03:40.45 | mordy | i guess what i should have done was something like &2 > pastebinit? |
| 03:40.50 | mordy | would that have worked? |
| 03:41.24 | simonrvn | no no, that's ok |
| 03:42.20 | mordy | i can understand aptitude complaining, since this drive formerly (or may even still have) a lot of bad blocks in use |
| 03:42.45 | mordy | so it's obvioulsy complaining about soemthiing missing, but i don't know what that something is |
| 03:43.08 | simonrvn | hmm. probably won't help, but you could download that .deb and and do dpkg -x vnc-common*.deb / and try that again |
| 03:43.39 | mordy | simonrvn, the point is that it will most likely comnplain about many more packages too |
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| 03:44.30 | simonrvn | cd /var/cache/apt/archives && aptitude -d reinstall vnc-common |
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| 03:47.09 | simonrvn | afk |
| 03:47.30 | mordy | ok |
| 03:47.41 | mordy | well, when you come back - i still get the same errors :| |
| 03:48.45 | mordy | ugh, this is definitely not going to be easy |
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| 03:54.51 | liable | !moo |
| 03:54.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 03:54.54 | Tr0gd0r | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 3 (5.1.2600) up: 2days 2hrs 19mins 23secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU @ 2.40GHz (x86) at 3599MHz gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT 512MB res: 1920x1200 32bit 60Hz ram: 1258/3070.4MB (40.98%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 117.63GB/139.73GB D:\ 0B/0B E:\ 326.99GB/372.61GB Z:\ 95.76GB/465.76GB net: Realtek RTL8168_8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 100MB/s 1.03GB In 182.02MB Out |
| 03:55.15 | liable | Tr0gd0r: ?? |
| 03:55.27 | liable | oh bot.. |
| 03:55.41 | liable | Tr0gd0r: who owns you? |
| 03:56.18 | nsadmin | maybe you're addressing it incorrectly... |
| 03:56.38 | nsadmin | Tr0gd0r: h00 pwnz j00? |
| 03:56.46 | lostson | lol |
| 03:56.46 | liable | hah |
| 03:58.13 | stoned | All is gone now, atone. Linear time, overthrown. Lenny release. When Hell freezes over. |
| 03:58.53 | mordy | h00 pwnz0rz j00 |
| 03:59.31 | stoned | just give a stable lable alrady so I can feel comfy |
| 04:00.27 | mordy | stoned: you like stability? |
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| 04:00.45 | mikeifying | hey can someone tell me how to change my monitor resolution ... > ? |
| 04:00.54 | mikeifying | i forget what file to edit after the format lol |
| 04:00.56 | mikeifying | =P |
| 04:01.11 | mordy | best way to do it is in X |
| 04:01.19 | mikeifying | someone gave me a file last night |
| 04:01.28 | mordy | man xorg.conf |
| 04:01.41 | mikeifying | that may be it =D |
| 04:01.46 | mikeifying | where is it located? |
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| 04:02.42 | mordy | /etc/X11 |
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| 04:03.11 | mordy | mikefying, man hier, and you should get a better idea of what's located where |
| 04:03.23 | mordy | i.e. configuration files are generally in /etc |
| 04:03.29 | mikeifying | ok |
| 04:04.01 | mordy | and most of them are just in /etc, unless it's some huge package, then it has its config file in its own subdirectory |
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| 04:28.17 | uber_noober | quick question: is it safe to add myself to a sudoer list? |
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| 04:29.21 | zibri | uber_noober: well, yes? isn't that the whole point with sudo? |
| 04:29.50 | uber_noober | er, so what's the point of the user pwd then? I'm a bit confused |
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| 04:30.13 | zibri | uber_noober: i don't follow. |
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| 04:30.34 | uber_noober | on install you set a root pwd and a user pwd |
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| 04:31.05 | uber_noober | to make system changes you need root access with admin pwd |
| 04:31.12 | zibri | yes, or sudo |
| 04:31.56 | Assid | i got a samba installation, which i cant seem to get the basic user security to work.. can someoneelp me with that.. testparm : http://assid.pastebin.com/d402745bd |
| 04:32.03 | uber_noober | I should explain my confusion. I was reading about this (in ubuntu forums) that setting root pwd may not be safe |
| 04:32.13 | mordy | uber_noober, what sudo does is logs the commands you type as sudo, and it also allows a way to limit which commands you can execute using sudo |
| 04:32.29 | mordy | ugh, ubuntu |
| 04:33.01 | uber_noober | mordy: noob, hence the handle. So what happens then when yoy login as root? |
| 04:33.38 | mordy | uber_noober, when you log in as root, you're able to do whatever you want, and generally without warning |
| 04:34.04 | mordy | what sudo does is basically (1) log all your commands, and (2) gives you a warning message that you are doing something as root and should be careful |
| 04:34.06 | nsadmin | uber_noober there is a school of thought that suggests that what's unsafe is always having total privileges and permissions... so what unix has done is have separate users with separate permissions; |
| 04:34.13 | zibri | uber_noober: it is safe either way. both has its drawbacks, both has its good advantages |
| 04:34.35 | mordy | uber_noober, i personally just log in as root whenever i have to do administrative tasks |
| 04:34.50 | newsense | would a log entry like this be generated by kernel ipspoof protection ? |
| 04:34.54 | newsense | Jan 9 20:23:33 devious firefox-bin: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "www.google.com", got "homeportal.gateway.2wire.net" |
| 04:35.35 | uber_noober | To be honest i prefer the stability of Debian on my old machine rather than Ubuntu. However, sudo has always, made me uneasy because you can still run apps as root without logging off. Found out the hard way. |
| 04:35.38 | mordy | uber_noober, i personally find sudo more of a nuisance than a benefit for my use |
| 04:35.47 | uber_noober | But their warning to disable root pwd was a little confusing |
| 04:35.48 | nsadmin | originally unix was a multiuser system (still is, but not used like that mostly like it was before) where users could share things like a single printer that would print and identify each job |
| 04:36.27 | mordy | people use to use terminal clients and connect to a powerful server that would do everything |
| 04:36.56 | uber_noober | Yeah, the closest I ever came to terminal was DOS |
| 04:36.58 | uber_noober | :-D |
| 04:37.08 | mordy | so sudo gave the admin a way to be able to give users the privelege of doing root commands without giving the root password |
| 04:37.09 | nsadmin | the basic idea was that plain users were allowed to use shared resources but only root was allowed to change things about the shared resources |
| 04:37.42 | uber_noober | well, that seems unsafe |
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| 04:37.56 | zibri | uber_noober: no, becuase it is handled in a controlled way |
| 04:37.59 | nsadmin | another way to look at it... if you ever used ms dos, you were using a system where you could do anything without restriction |
| 04:38.06 | mordy | the advantage of that was in the case of where someone's account was comrpomised, or if a user was doing stupid things, the admin would (1) be able to see who was doing it and (2) would be able to remove root priveleges froom the user without changing the root password |
| 04:38.07 | nsadmin | that's like the root user |
| 04:38.09 | uber_noober | so what's behind ubuntu's stong warning about root pwd disbling? |
| 04:38.19 | newsense | anyone where that log entry i posted above came from ? |
| 04:38.51 | mordy | uber_noober, i think ubuntu's idea of 'security' is protecting your computer from yourself |
| 04:38.59 | zibri | uber_noober: i find it ridicolous.. |
| 04:39.00 | uber_noober | LOL |
| 04:39.03 | nsadmin | unix/linux introduced a system where there was limitations |
| 04:39.04 | mordy | (actually it's quite remeniscient of microsoft) |
| 04:39.25 | uber_noober | Well, I am a convert of sorts |
| 04:39.50 | mordy | uber_noober, if you see anything in ubuntu which you find suspect, you're probably right |
| 04:40.00 | zibri | :) |
| 04:40.03 | uber_noober | I have to say, I've convinced a few grad students to start using Debian to save some money |
| 04:40.03 | nsadmin | and there was generally a person who would make sure plain users could do what they needed to do (like print, and have disk space for their own files( |
| 04:40.20 | Assid | i cant get the client to auth with the server |
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| 04:40.25 | johns_ | hi |
| 04:40.58 | nsadmin | uber_noober: one thing you could do in dos, was wipe the entire contents of the disk |
| 04:41.03 | uber_noober | Well, that's just it....on single user machines it's ok to separate user and admin, but sudo makes it redundand and dangerous |
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| 04:41.12 | nsadmin | which you can also do in unix/linux if you are root |
| 04:41.28 | mordy | well, i don't see how sudo makes it dangerous |
| 04:41.41 | mordy | but redundant hell yes |
| 04:41.51 | johns_ | in theory, a bug in sudo could compromise the system |
| 04:41.56 | johns_ | but that's purely pedantic |
| 04:42.26 | uber_noober | mordy: if i run apt with sudo and do not close that terminal it will keep me logged in as root so the following commands can be run as root w/o pwd prompt |
| 04:42.38 | \amethyst | sudo allows software you run to gain root access easily (just by waiting until you have a timestamp) |
| 04:42.43 | johns_ | any update on this? |
| 04:42.44 | zibri | uber_noober: it will die after some time |
| 04:42.44 | johns_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489768 |
| 04:42.54 | uber_noober | zibri: i hope |
| 04:43.01 | zibri | uber_noober: it's a fact |
| 04:43.04 | mordy | death to root! |
| 04:43.10 | nsadmin | the basic deal is this: if you're a plain user of a unix/linux machine, all you can do in a destructive way is wipe your own files; even if you tried to wipe the whole system, any files you didn't own would not be removed |
| 04:43.10 | uber_noober | It seems I'm not the only one confused by it |
| 04:43.18 | johns_ | i'd like debian and its derivatives (personally for me, ubuntu) to have ngspice |
| 04:43.26 | johns_ | i'm not really sure what the licensing issue is any more |
| 04:43.47 | uber_noober | thanks guys for taking time to answer my questions |
| 04:43.58 | mordy | and stay away from ubuntu |
| 04:44.08 | nsadmin | the other part is the unix shell (sh, or bash) is quite powerful and not tolerant to small errors |
| 04:44.16 | mordy | i use their forums a lot when i have buggy hardware, since most linux users are those of ubuntu |
| 04:44.25 | uber_noober | bcm chipset |
| 04:44.30 | uber_noober | I know |
| 04:44.35 | nsadmin | suffice it to say, an extra space in a command could wipe the disk clean |
| 04:44.39 | nsadmin | but only if you're root |
| 04:44.40 | Guerin | sudo as deployed by ubuntu and a bunch of other distros is stupid beause it means that the default user automatically has root access to ALL |
| 04:45.03 | mordy | rm -R / some/directory/ for example? |
| 04:45.08 | uber_noober | yup |
| 04:45.08 | christoz | greetings, i'm encounteting serious problems on playing video file with whatever video player on debian lenny, there is only sound and the video appears only if i drag the player and moving it on to random directions, i have no idea what's going on |
| 04:45.23 | nsadmin | mordy: yeah... |
| 04:45.33 | Guerin | johns_: file a wishlist bug and request it be packaged, or better yet, package it yourself |
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| 04:45.56 | zibri | Guerin: already an itp |
| 04:46.01 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:46.07 | Guerin | well, SIYH then |
| 04:46.08 | christoz | also, i euse vesa video driver, and i hope not to change it to non-free |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | christoz: what player? |
| 04:46.38 | christoz | whatever, vlc, Mplayer, etc |
| 04:46.50 | Guerin | christoz: ok. pick mplayer, from the console. |
| 04:47.02 | Guerin | christoz: first up, what's your video card? |
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| 04:47.15 | christoz | nvidia g-foerce 5200 |
| 04:47.39 | Guerin | christoz: first of all, you should be using 'nv', not vesa |
| 04:47.40 | mordy | well, you can do as much damage with sudo as with root |
| 04:47.54 | craigevil | why not at least use the nv driver rather than the vesa |
| 04:48.01 | christoz | Guerin is "nv " the binary ones? |
| 04:48.03 | Guerin | christoz: do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
| 04:48.05 | johns_ | Guerin: that's the thing. it's already been packaged plenty of times and ubuntu deferred its wishlist to debian |
| 04:48.05 | Guerin | christoz: no. |
| 04:48.08 | mordy | nv is the fgree one |
| 04:48.11 | christoz | a ok |
| 04:48.12 | mordy | nvidia is the binary |
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| 04:48.20 | christoz | hold on to check this firsts |
| 04:48.26 | Guerin | johns_: plenty of times by whom? |
| 04:48.35 | johns_ | Guerin: apparently debian deferred to ngspice for licensing issues. debian claims its gpl, ngspice claims its bsd |
| 04:49.00 | johns_ | Guerin: i'll ask the ngspice people, but arch and ubuntu both have ngspice in their repositories/ebuilds/pkgbuilds |
| 04:49.28 | christoz | Guerin, it's "nv" |
| 04:49.36 | mordy | what's ngspice? |
| 04:49.39 | christoz | (sorry about that) |
| 04:50.01 | Guerin | johns_: search debian-legal@lists.debian.org for it; you can ask again if you like |
| 04:50.30 | Guerin | christoz: good. same performance with all video files? |
| 04:50.44 | christoz | unfortunatelly yes Guerin |
| 04:50.51 | Guerin | johns_: as in, if the existing discussion on that list is unsatisfactory |
| 04:50.55 | Guerin | christoz: try mplayer -vo xv yourfile.avi |
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| 04:52.16 | christoz | by this keystroke i have no promlem , at least with mplayer |
| 04:52.19 | christoz | Guerin, |
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| 04:52.40 | christoz | what are the -vo xv options for? |
| 04:53.35 | Guerin | christoz: good. Make it permanent by putting the line vo=xv in ~/.mplayer/config |
| 04:54.33 | Guerin | christoz: -vo is the video output driover. xv is the xvideo output, which is hardware-accellerated and displays on an overlay rather than directly on your X server display (which is very slow) |
| 04:54.53 | Guerin | there's no good reason in 2009 why anyone should be using anything other than xv |
| 04:55.13 | christoz | Guerin i had no idea |
| 04:55.55 | Guerin | christoz: mplayer is usually smart enough to select it as the default. If it doesn't, you can force it to do so. You can tell any other decent video player to use xv as well, I just know mplayer best. |
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| 04:59.04 | christoz | Guerin, is this correct "vo=xv;" on asigning values |
| 04:59.05 | christoz | ? |
| 04:59.28 | neoice | anyone know how to take a folder full of mysql data (.frm, .MYD, .MYI) and make it a single, nice .sql file? |
| 04:59.33 | christoz | or without ";" |
| 05:00.26 | Guerin | christoz: suck and see |
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| 05:00.32 | Guerin | neoice: #mysql |
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| 05:01.04 | Haris_ | Hello people |
| 05:01.17 | Haris_ | Can I have both stable and unstable in sources at one time? |
| 05:01.36 | Guerin | Haris_: no. |
| 05:01.51 | Haris_ | what's preferred for lenny/sid ? |
| 05:01.56 | Haris_ | stable or unstable? |
| 05:02.05 | Guerin | Haris_: your question is meaningless. |
| 05:02.11 | Haris_ | this box is an anti spam/virus box |
| 05:02.12 | Guerin | Haris_: stick to stable. |
| 05:02.20 | zibri | Haris_: lenny == testing, sid == unstable |
| 05:02.21 | Haris_ | built on lenny |
| 05:02.28 | Guerin | Haris_: then stick to lenny. |
| 05:04.05 | christoz | Guerin, thanks a lot, any idea on setting up vlc-player as we did with mplayer? |
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| 05:04.33 | Guerin | christoz: i think vlc has a nice annoying gui way to do it that I don't know of |
| 05:04.46 | Guerin | christoz: it should be obvious enough |
| 05:04.58 | christoz | ok ok Guerin thanks |
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| 05:12.23 | Haris_ | How can I tell aptitude to not upgrade udev and upgrade all others |
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| 05:13.43 | x1250 | Haris_, aptitude hold udev |
| 05:13.46 | Guerin | Haris_: you can't. |
| 05:14.01 | Guerin | Haris_: (without very likely breaking your system) |
| 05:14.03 | Haris_ | nice |
| 05:14.14 | Guerin | and you can't do it on any sort of permanent basis |
| 05:14.18 | Haris_ | it wants the kenrel to be upgraded |
| 05:14.31 | Guerin | yes. So upgrade the kernel, or don't upgrade the system/ |
| 05:14.43 | Haris_ | thanks guys! |
| 05:15.13 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 05:15.13 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 05:16.07 | Guerin | hm, back in the olden days when thomas_adam and mwilson were around, and before initech's house got blown over by Katrina |
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| 05:16.24 | Haris_ | damn teh stupidity of money mongers causing wars all over teh world |
| 05:16.47 | Haris_ | actually that's gold mongers |
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| 05:17.13 | kevin_ma | hello |
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| 05:19.37 | kevin_ma | hava breakfast? |
| 05:19.42 | JulianneP | I'm using Aptitude. Can I get it to show from which repository a package will be installed? |
| 05:19.52 | kevin_ma | sure |
| 05:20.15 | kevin_ma | but i forget how to do this. |
| 05:21.16 | newsense | apt-cache policy packagenname |
| 05:22.06 | craigevil | you managed to get your nick back i see |
| 05:22.22 | newsense | yeah i had some help :) |
| 05:22.47 | craigevil | JulianneP: what repos are you using? |
| 05:23.10 | JulianneP | Various. |
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| 05:23.34 | newsense | JulianneP, did you try apt-cache policy as i suggested ? |
| 05:23.55 | JulianneP | Yes. That gives me pretty much the information I need. Thankss. |
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| 05:24.05 | newsense | excellent |
| 05:24.24 | Gigantic | Can anyone tell or link me to a website to know more about the diferences between, probe libc kernel mmx mmxext sse |
| 05:24.26 | Gigantic | ? |
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| 05:26.03 | Gigantic | oh I found a site... |
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| 05:32.43 | christoz | Guerin, there is a very good progress by switching it to X11 video output only, but i tink i'll need the binary driver cause i can feel the lag |
| 05:32.56 | christoz | shit |
| 05:33.17 | Gigantic | But I don't know what libc does there... |
| 05:33.21 | christoz | i have a p4 2.4 cpu |
| 05:33.35 | christoz | with 128 mb vga ram |
| 05:33.46 | Gigantic | libc is supposed to just support w/e the instruction set supports or what? |
| 05:34.25 | Guerin | christoz: the X11 output is shit. Use xv. |
| 05:34.41 | christoz | with xv there is no progress |
| 05:34.43 | Guerin | Gigantic: libc is everything. |
| 05:34.49 | Haris_ | dpkg -l "*kernel*" doesn't give me any kernel package I can upgrade |
| 05:34.49 | dpkg | ii "*kernel*" doesn't give me any kernel package I can upgrade 1.4-12 haris_'s private porn collection |
| 05:34.51 | Guerin | christoz: you said it was working before. |
| 05:34.53 | Gigantic | k |
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| 05:35.01 | Guerin | Haris_: linux |
| 05:35.08 | christoz | yes , but with Mplayer |
| 05:35.15 | Gigantic | Guerin: what is the difference between using libc and kernel as memcopy then? |
| 05:35.19 | christoz | not vlv |
| 05:35.29 | christoz | vlc* |
| 05:35.32 | Haris_ | Guerin: aptitude upgade linux* ? |
| 05:35.34 | Guerin | Gigantic: it sounds like you're doing high-school homework |
| 05:35.52 | Guerin | christoz: vlc will work with the xv output. You just have to make it so. In any case, mplayer is superior. |
| 05:35.56 | Guerin | Haris_: no. |
| 05:36.15 | Ricoshady | anyone here setup openvpn? |
| 05:36.22 | Haris_ | I have linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.17+2, linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 2.6.17-9, linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 |
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| 05:36.24 | Guerin | !anyone use openvpn |
| 05:36.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses openvpn, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:36.39 | Ricoshady | ? |
| 05:36.53 | Haris_ | #openvpn for openvp |
| 05:36.56 | Haris_ | openvpn+ |
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| 05:37.06 | Guerin | Ricoshady: as a non-stupid question and you might get a non-stupid answer |
| 05:37.22 | Guerin | s/as/ask/ |
| 05:37.39 | Ricoshady | learn how to type and I might understand |
| 05:38.00 | craigevil | christoz: on vlc its under Tools>Preferences>Video set it to XVideo |
| 05:38.11 | Gigantic | Guerin: heh nope |
| 05:38.25 | Gigantic | Guerin: just playing with Xine |
| 05:38.30 | christoz | craigevil, i've already found it thanks |
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| 05:39.43 | Guerin | christoz: does it work, or not? |
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| 05:40.34 | Haris_ | can aptitude upgrade automatically upgrade my kernel for upgrading udev? |
| 05:40.35 | christoz | Guerin, it does, but i cann feel a small anoying delay |
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| 05:41.15 | christoz | maybe it is about time to buy a new pc :P |
| 05:41.35 | Haris_ | !aptitude unhold |
| 05:41.37 | Haris_ | hmm |
| 05:42.12 | Haris_ | dpkg unhold |
| 05:42.12 | dpkg | unhold is probably echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections, or "aptitude unhold packagename" if the package is held in aptitude |
| 05:42.26 | Haris_ | I tried aptitude unhold udev a lot of times |
| 05:42.28 | Guerin | christoz: you shouldn't. |
| 05:42.29 | Haris_ | doens't work |
| 05:42.30 | craigevil | christoz: why not use the nvidia drivers you would get a much better fps and wouldnt have issues with video |
| 05:43.14 | Guerin | because the nvidia drivers cause a lot more problems than they solve when it comes to anything other than DRI |
| 05:44.03 | Guerin | they're not needed. I know this because my media box used to run on a p3-700, a TNT2 running nv, and the xv video output |
| 05:44.21 | christoz | craigevil, well i don't want to put a binary app to break the "armonik" open source balance of my system :p |
| 05:44.52 | craigevil | its silly not to utilize the card you have, but maybe thats just me |
| 05:44.54 | Guerin | !armonik |
| 05:45.06 | christoz | greek work |
| 05:45.08 | Guerin | christoz: minimal force doctrine |
| 05:45.14 | christoz | word* |
| 05:45.16 | Guerin | christoz: what does it mean? |
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| 05:45.39 | Guerin | craigevil: minimal force doctrine |
| 05:45.51 | Guerin | (misfire, etc.) |
| 05:46.13 | christoz | well nature is by it self armonik, but if you polute it with non organic things , stops tyo be |
| 05:46.17 | christoz | smth like that |
| 05:46.20 | christoz | :p |
| 05:47.33 | zibri | christoz: ~harmony? |
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| 05:47.54 | christoz | yes harmonic sorry |
| 05:48.22 | christoz | in english we put an "h" |
| 05:49.17 | grendelson | When I run Iceweasel (debian testing - just safe-upgraded) and attempt to watch online streaming vids the playback is slkow and choppy (broadband - nothing else intensive running) but If I open same pages in Epiphany they play smooth as silk. Iceweasel consumes HUGE amounts of CPU 9up to 90 at times) while running - is this known issue or bad firefox setup on my machine? |
| 05:50.13 | craigevil | are you watching flash ? if so what are you using for flash? |
| 05:50.50 | Guerin | i see. |
| 05:51.03 | grendelson | craigevil, It seems to be Flash Player 10 plugin |
| 05:51.57 | grendelson | craigevil, The only plugin option chosen is Enable Hardware Accel is checked |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | grendelson: your system is un-armonik |
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| 05:52.28 | christoz | Guerin, craigevil , many thanks for your help, need sleep bye! |
| 05:52.30 | Guerin | !armonik is <reply> christoz> well nature is by it self armonik, but if you polute it with non organic things , stops tyo be |
| 05:52.30 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:52.42 | Guerin | christoz: welcome. And thanks for the term. |
| 05:53.14 | grendelson | Guerin, ? |
| 05:53.29 | Guerin | grendelson: see above re: armonik |
| 05:53.37 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008122011 Iceweasel/3.0.5 (Debian-3.0.5-1), Flash Installed: 1:10.0.15.3-0.1 , here on a crappy Dell with only 512 ram and most flash sites are fine, you will occassionyl come across ones that just suck |
| 05:53.54 | craigevil | it might also be the extensions/theme you are using in iceweasel |
| 05:54.21 | grendelson | craigevil, That is what I'm trying to narrom down since same sites work fine in Epiphany at same time... |
| 05:55.03 | mhymn | Guerin: seems you forgot a < before christoz in that factoid |
| 05:55.36 | Guerin | mhymn: yeah, I also forgot to correct his typos (which is a customary courtesy). |
| 05:55.38 | Guerin | but meh |
| 05:55.43 | craigevil | grendelson: try disabling your extensions or even easier just create a new iceweasel profile |
| 05:56.06 | grendelson | craigevil, Just remove/move .iceweasel in my home? |
| 05:57.15 | craigevil | start iceweasel from a terminal with the command iceweasel --profilemanager then click Create Profile and try the site in the new profile |
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| 05:57.33 | grendelson | ahh ok |
| 05:57.58 | craigevil | it will use your plugins but wont have any extensions/themes etc |
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| 06:00.45 | dustybin | what is apt pinning? |
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| 06:01.01 | jhambo | is there a channel about skype?? |
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| 06:01.30 | mhymn | dustybin: /msg dpkg pinning ? |
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| 06:02.08 | dustybin | i thought it wasnt wise mixing repos |
| 06:02.15 | dustybin | with apt-pinning maybe you can |
| 06:02.31 | craigevil | jhambo: you can probably ask about using skype in ##linux |
| 06:03.10 | hoxu | !upgrade path |
| 06:03.10 | dpkg | upgrade path is probably install <stable> first, then use <backports.org> if you need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable> |
| 06:03.11 | hoxu | dustybin, ^ |
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| 06:03.47 | grendelson | craigevil, thanks for the tip - I tried that and the CPU still jumps up to 90+% when I go to Flash video sites (youtube like) and the video gets super choppy at times even when fully loaded - jsut playing |
| 06:04.09 | craigevil | the last part of that factoid is crap, unstable is fine if you know wtf your doing |
| 06:04.43 | craigevil | grendelson: what does about:plugins say for Flash |
| 06:04.49 | hoxu | craigevil, coincidentally, majority of the unstable users don't know... including me; and it's not supported here really |
| 06:05.22 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
| 06:05.23 | grendelson | craigevil, video/x-flv Flash Video flv Yes |
| 06:05.42 | grendelson | pplication/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf Yes |
| 06:05.54 | buu | Ok, what do I have to install to make 'man gcc' work? |
| 06:06.34 | craigevil | grendelson: right under Shockwave Flash before the box info |
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| 06:06.51 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.52 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.40 | jhambo | craigevil: except that its a problem with the xp version of skype... the linux version is working great... ;) |
| 06:08.18 | dustybin | did you know that faulty memory could lead to file system corruption! |
| 06:08.53 | jhambo | of course |
| 06:09.01 | dustybin | the kernel uses system memory to cache the file system! |
| 06:09.54 | \amethyst | buu: gcc-doc . You'll need contrib and non-free sources |
| 06:10.17 | dustybin | if it wasnt for richard stallman there would be no GCC |
| 06:10.35 | buu | \amethyst: That's, uh, interesting. |
| 06:10.45 | Gigantic | we must workship the guy with the beard |
| 06:10.53 | craigevil | grendelson: got me, i have 28 extensions and only have 512 ram, flash works well in iceweasel and opera, i have quite a few tweaks in my user.js though |
| 06:11.17 | \amethyst | buu: the GFDL isn't considered DFSG-free because of provisions like invariant sections |
| 06:12.09 | dustybin | is it a complicated job setting up a debian cluster? |
| 06:12.37 | grendelson | craigevil, Yeah - it's odd - everytime firefox jumps to 90+% CPU and video is choppy and epiphany every time plays Fine.. |
| 06:12.40 | grendelson | oh well. |
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| 06:16.29 | liable | jeez |
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| 06:16.43 | VolVE | spamalot in here lately |
| 06:16.58 | mhymn | wtf |
| 06:17.01 | liable | !ops time for some fun |
| 06:17.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: time for some fun |
| 06:17.02 | node36 | wtf |
| 06:17.02 | CoolCold | wtf |
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| 06:17.13 | Ricoshady | its happening on a lot of channels |
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| 06:17.15 | liable | these arent your regular spammers.. |
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| 06:17.49 | VolVE | haven't seen a K-line in a while... ah the old days |
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| 06:18.21 | craigevil | wow that was fun holy cow |
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| 06:18.43 | RichiH | hmm |
| 06:18.45 | VolVE | total flashbacks :) |
| 06:19.05 | RichiH | i literally woke up at 0700 and was 'i need to get on irc' |
| 06:19.14 | RichiH | weird |
| 06:19.17 | Sling | aw they didnt even drop by in our chan |
| 06:19.27 | CoolCold | my my |
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| 06:19.44 | CoolCold | nagios:/tmp# for i in "$(cat derived2.rrds)";do rrdtool info "/var/lib/nagios-pnp/$i.rrd" ;done |
| 06:19.44 | CoolCold | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 06:19.54 | CoolCold | nagios:/tmp# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:19.54 | CoolCold | 4.0 |
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| 06:20.08 | liable | we gave dpkg mind control capabilities for the ops call! |
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| 06:20.31 | VolVE | the script kiddies seg faulted CoolCold's nagios with their nefarious notices! oh craps! |
| 06:21.57 | RichiH | liable: i woke up before that |
| 06:22.03 | RichiH | ... |
| 06:22.05 | RichiH | weird... |
| 06:22.21 | liable | RichiH: pre-emptive mind control! ;) |
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| 06:22.29 | RichiH | hehe |
| 06:22.52 | RichiH | i managed to kline debian.es in another channel.. |
| 06:22.56 | nsadmin | if your mind has been preemptied, you can be controlled! |
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| 06:23.08 | RichiH | (unklined already, of course) |
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| 06:26.09 | rizza | Out of touch with things. What's the status on the lenny release? |
| 06:26.22 | liable | how did you know who to kline? the bots then all left? |
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| 06:27.56 | liable | RichiH: not ready yet |
| 06:27.59 | liable | oops |
| 06:28.04 | liable | rizza: ^^ |
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| 06:28.38 | RichiH | liable: a human botmaster will be in here and tried to save his sheep |
| 06:28.49 | rizza | Bots?? What are you talking about |
| 06:28.54 | RichiH | which never works |
| 06:29.04 | RichiH | rizza: minor attack going on |
| 06:29.14 | RichiH | s/minor/minimal/ |
| 06:29.14 | beardy | Bring out the claymore. |
| 06:29.27 | Sling | i for one welcome our new botty overlords |
| 06:29.38 | craigevil | Skynet :) |
| 06:29.50 | liable | you welcome your overlords bottoms? |
| 06:29.57 | Sling | that too |
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| 06:32.19 | nsadmin | bring on more clay... so we can rot the bots! |
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| 06:36.56 | RichiH | is there any way to preserve the colors grep etc put out for the less i am viewing it with? and yes, i am aware that color codes on piped STDOUT may be harmful |
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| 06:39.13 | karsten | RichiH: i think that's either set by term type, stdout != tty, or RTFM for the specific command (eg ls) |
| 06:39.16 | nsadmin | !info freecol |
| 06:39.48 | dpkg | freecol: (an open version of Colonization), section games, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.dfsg+1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13190 kB, Installed size: 20092 kB |
| 06:41.01 | c0m1 | I run the Makefile I made, and it links the code with gcc, but compiles the object code with cc. But I've only specified gcc. Is it supposed to do that? |
| 06:41.27 | RichiH | karsten: i fear it's the latter two |
| 06:41.55 | \amethyst | karsten: ls --color | less -R |
| 06:41.59 | \amethyst | err |
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| 06:42.00 | \amethyst | oops |
| 06:42.06 | \amethyst | RichiH: ls --color | less -R |
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| 06:42.50 | karsten | RichiH: script might do you. |
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| 06:43.22 | \amethyst | RichiH: in ls (and a few other GNU utilities), --color means --color=always (even if stdout is not a tty); -R tells less to pass through ANSI color escapes (but not other control character sequences) untouched |
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| 06:43.40 | RichiH | \amethyst: neat |
| 06:43.53 | RichiH | karsten: global alias :) |
| 06:43.56 | karsten | \ \amethyst ls --color=always | less |
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| 06:44.17 | karsten | RichiH: ?? |
| 06:44.20 | \amethyst | karsten: that's why I said less -R |
| 06:44.49 | karsten | ": |
| 06:44.53 | karsten | ok |
| 06:45.05 | RichiH | karsten: i am using zsh, i have access to global aliases :) |
| 06:45.29 | karsten | RichiH: ahhh.... |
| 06:45.41 | karsten | has no zsh-fu |
| 06:46.37 | RichiH | karsten: install it, grab a RC collection from the wiki and use it for a week |
| 06:46.49 | RichiH | i suggest mine, of course |
| 06:47.11 | liable | RC collection? |
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| 06:49.46 | jhambo | Any suggestions for skype support? I suppose this is the problem with non open source software... often no good free support... :( |
| 06:50.02 | liable | the skype forums? |
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| 06:51.32 | jhambo | liable: yah i was hoping for irc... funny, the linux and mac versions work great but the M$ version is fubared |
| 06:51.53 | liable | is there not a #skype channel? |
| 06:52.00 | liable | or try #windows |
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| 07:11.32 | Led_Zeppelin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:15.32 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: >> fee; will append the diff to fee |
| 07:17.30 | nsadmin | Led_Zeppelin or you can use a subshell by enclosing the commands in parens, like this: (diff foo boo; cat fee) | mail ... |
| 07:17.49 | Led_Zeppelin | nsadmin, yah, I like that better |
| 07:17.51 | Led_Zeppelin | good idea |
| 07:18.03 | nsadmin | so then you can foo or boo as long as you pay me the fee! |
| 07:19.00 | dustybin | '^[Nn]admi{1,}n' |
| 07:20.01 | nsadmin | dat's purdy! |
| 07:20.39 | mikeifying | helo everyone |
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| 07:28.22 | dustybin | im trying to keep my server on everyday this year, so far so good |
| 07:28.24 | dustybin | Hostname: private - OS: Linux 2.6.26-1-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.023 MHz) - Processes: 165 - Uptime: 10d 17h 29m - Load Average: 1.00 - Memory Usage: 313.26MB/1011.42MB (30.97%) - Disk Usage: 384.90GB/1072.23GB (35.90%) |
| 07:30.19 | Guerin | dustybin: we don't need updates. And as I said earlier, get some better ambitions. |
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| 07:33.00 | liable | uptime epenis waving is a fun game! |
| 07:36.20 | Guerin | liable: Hostname: 1337b0x - OS: Linux 2.6.69-1-686/i686 - CPU: 5 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192,023,187 MHz) - Processes: 1,657,187 - Uptime: 10654187d 173h 2901m - Load Average: 1652.00 - Memory Usage: 3,237,398,213.26MB/101,123,299.42MB (30.97%) - Disk Usage: 384,109,713,145.90GB/1,283,984,072.23GB (35.90%) |
| 07:36.28 | Guerin | wins |
| 07:36.41 | liable | meh, i am getting only dovecot-login seemingly killed by oom killer, yet i never see mem use close to max.. |
| 07:37.08 | liable | Guerin: thats a very large epenis! |
| 07:37.26 | Guerin | liable: the preferred nomenclature is eWANG |
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| 07:37.48 | dustybin | sed 's/Guerin/Uptime/g' |
| 07:37.58 | liable | noted for future reference |
| 07:38.36 | ameyer | Guerin: wtf? 1 billion gigabytes+? sshfs weirdness? |
| 07:38.36 | Guerin | dustybin: it's ok. I respect you even though your eWANG is orders of magnitude smaller than mine. |
| 07:38.50 | Guerin | ameyer: nope. I'm just 1337. |
| 07:39.01 | liable | and BIG |
| 07:39.10 | ameyer | (IIRC, sshfs used to report unrealistic valuse for disk size, 1000TB?) |
| 07:39.22 | Guerin | and I own a power station |
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| 07:40.23 | ameyer | also, uptime over 29,000 years? |
| 07:40.45 | mhymn | ameyer: Linux 2.6.69, Processes: 1,657,187, Uptime: 10654187d, Load Average: 1652.00, come on dude!!! |
| 07:40.49 | craigevil | hes from the future |
| 07:40.49 | liable | prods ameyer with the joke stick |
| 07:41.09 | Guerin | ameyer: you didn't realise I'm older than the Rolling Stones? |
| 07:41.13 | Guerin | (that's the only way I can run a 5-way 3 trillion megahertz system) |
| 07:41.27 | ameyer | also, 5x3000+ terrahertz P4s? |
| 07:41.44 | Guerin | why would anyone use anything else? |
| 07:41.55 | ameyer | you know what a P4 would try to do if you clocked it above 3000 terahertz? |
| 07:42.07 | liable | cook my eggs? |
| 07:42.14 | ameyer | attempts to find footage of a nuclear weapon detonating |
| 07:42.18 | mhymn | your eggs? |
| 07:42.25 | Guerin | ameyer: by the way I clocked folding@home on the hardest setting |
| 07:42.36 | Guerin | twice |
| 07:42.42 | dustybin | guys could we get back on topic please |
| 07:42.49 | Guerin | dustybin: you started it. |
| 07:42.56 | dustybin | :( |
| 07:43.01 | ameyer | I think the 3.8 GHz (or was it 3.6 GHz) P4 almost needed water cooling |
| 07:43.25 | liable | now beats ameyer over the head with said stick |
| 07:43.28 | ameyer | laughs at the notion that netburst could scale to 10GHz without liquid nitrogen |
| 07:44.19 | mentor | Clockspeed is overrated |
| 07:44.20 | mazzanet | i have a P4 1.8 running at 2.8 |
| 07:44.22 | mazzanet | on air cooling |
| 07:44.26 | mentor | TRIPS is the way forward |
| 07:44.29 | mazzanet | and has been for the past 4 years |
| 07:44.36 | mentor | How much air? |
| 07:44.52 | mentor | >:) |
| 07:44.55 | liable | no wonder we have global warming! |
| 07:44.55 | mazzanet | umm can't remember what i put on it |
| 07:44.59 | mazzanet | zalman something 7000 |
| 07:45.07 | lnostdal | hi all .. i just did a full upgrade on lenny via the gui upgrade manager .. it seems to be stuck on "post-installation trigger" for initramfs-tools .. i've never seen that happen before |
| 07:45.30 | mazzanet | all copper, lots of thin fins, shaped like an inverted nose cone |
| 07:45.37 | mentor | lnostdal: What does ps show? |
| 07:45.41 | liable | lnostdal: did you check bts for initrmfs-tools? |
| 07:45.55 | Guerin | mazzanet: i had a 2.4 that did 2.8. Northwood for the win. |
| 07:46.14 | Guerin | mazzanet: but those 1.8s were mostly weak. |
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| 07:46.48 | lnostdal | mentor, http://paste.lisp.org/display/73369 |
| 07:46.58 | lnostdal | maybe my disk is dying on me .. :} |
| 07:47.01 | Guerin | mentor: TRIPS = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Trade-Related_Aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights ? |
| 07:47.09 | Guerin | mentor: i must disagree. |
| 07:48.44 | mentor | Guerin: Terascale xhttp://www.cs.utexas.edu/~trips/ |
| 07:48.50 | Supaplex | stabs said disk |
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| 07:49.11 | mentor | lnostdal: Is your system IO bound? |
| 07:49.37 | Guerin | mentor: heh :) |
| 07:49.46 | Guerin | a much more better endeavour |
| 07:49.48 | mazzanet | win 22 |
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| 07:50.05 | mentor | Is graphite good as a TIM in anyone's experience |
| 07:50.18 | lnostdal | mentor, i'm not sure i understand the question .. it's a "standard system"(?) .. no disk activity atm. |
| 07:50.23 | mentor | It gets rid of the whole branch prediction mess |
| 07:50.39 | mentor | lnostdal: You can see CPU utilisation in top |
| 07:50.47 | mentor | wa% is IO wait |
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| 07:50.59 | mentor | lnostdal: You've not run out of disk space or anything? |
| 07:51.22 | lnostdal | mentor, ah, ok .. :) .. hm, 0.0%wa .. the others are around 0% also |
| 07:51.53 | mentor | Well, it's waiting for something then |
| 07:52.13 | lnostdal | nope, just checked disk space .. "/dev/hda1 183M 21M 153M 12% /boot" (size, used, avail, use%) |
| 07:52.18 | lnostdal | yeah, strange |
| 07:52.50 | mentor | Presumably your root partition has space too? |
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| 07:53.32 | lnostdal | that's right |
| 07:54.05 | mentor | suggests hitting it with a stick |
| 07:54.22 | Guerin | percussive > other maintenance |
| 07:55.03 | lnostdal | hehe, yeah .. mebbe a kill -9 is in order or something .. bit worried since this thing is related to booting and kernel and whatnot .. :) |
| 07:55.06 | mentor | Percussive maintenance is the natural complement to duct tape maintenance |
| 07:55.17 | mentor | lnostdal: Don't reboot until you've fixed it |
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| 07:57.28 | mentor | suggests TERM |
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| 07:58.39 | lnostdal | http://paste.lisp.org/display/73369#1 dpgk --configure -a seems to end up at the same spot |
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| 08:02.28 | unitypunk | hey.. |
| 08:02.33 | unitypunk | i got a little problem.. |
| 08:02.38 | mentor | suggests tracing the scripts execution |
| 08:02.47 | unitypunk | just installed debain 4.0 |
| 08:02.59 | unitypunk | and its stuck in a strange resolution |
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| 08:03.02 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 08:03.02 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 08:03.08 | nsadmin | :) |
| 08:03.17 | unitypunk | lol |
| 08:03.29 | unitypunk | debian. |
| 08:03.31 | unitypunk | :-p |
| 08:03.36 | nsadmin | just kidding |
| 08:03.37 | unitypunk | can i use deb? |
| 08:03.39 | unitypunk | :) |
| 08:03.43 | unitypunk | anyway |
| 08:03.51 | nsadmin | you'll have to ask ian |
| 08:03.57 | unitypunk | my moniters telling me to change resolutions cause this one sucks |
| 08:04.24 | unitypunk | but every time i try to change resolutions xserver seems to crasha nd i have to re login |
| 08:05.26 | krux0 | if your resolution is not good, modify the xorg.conf file |
| 08:05.35 | nsadmin | how do you try to change resolutions? how does the monitor tell you (1) to change resolutions and (2) the one you have sucks? |
| 08:05.53 | unitypunk | tried to change resolutinos from in gnome |
| 08:06.02 | unitypunk | where is xorg at? |
| 08:06.21 | nsadmin | the xorg.conf is probably in /etc/X11 |
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| 08:06.27 | krux0 | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:06.36 | unitypunk | allright |
| 08:06.42 | krux0 | back it up before you edit it |
| 08:06.55 | nsadmin | and you shoudl be able to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:07.14 | krux0 | mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup |
| 08:07.28 | nsadmin | or cp instead of mv |
| 08:08.24 | krux0 | it's better to just reconfigure X from "scratch" with X -configure |
| 08:08.32 | nsadmin | oh? ok |
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| 08:09.34 | RestArt | what's the difference between the two |
| 08:10.50 | peterm | hi, is there a way when i use debian as router to overwrite all dns a-records to fake aaaa records and when clients request this fake ipv6 addresses the debian router will transparently translate between ipv6 (lan) and ipv4 (wan) |
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| 08:11.20 | krux0 | well, in case the xorg.conf file has been previously changed with bad options |
| 08:11.26 | unitypunk | okay.. |
| 08:11.37 | unitypunk | cant read the damn file so i cant edit it |
| 08:11.41 | ^shark_ | I am running Squid 3.0.PRE5-5 on Debian etch, recently I installed apache2 and tried to browse for the apache default page like so http://192.168.1.1/ |
| 08:11.47 | unitypunk | triend to run x -configure |
| 08:11.52 | ^shark_ | but i keep getting the error in browser "Invalid URL Some aspect of the requested URL is incorrect." in squid3 access log this is logged in "1231572392.371 0 192.168.1.18 NONE/400 1785 GET / - NONE/- text/html" |
| 08:11.52 | liable | peterm: you what? |
| 08:11.53 | unitypunk | said something |
| 08:12.01 | unitypunk | tried sudo x configure |
| 08:12.03 | ^shark_ | When i browse for the same default page like so http://192.168.1.1:8080 i get a successful response |
| 08:12.06 | krux0 | what did it say? |
| 08:12.07 | unitypunk | input pass |
| 08:12.12 | unitypunk | said i wasnt in sudoers |
| 08:12.18 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.40 | ^shark_ | I am attaching my configs as follows ...http://paste.lisp.org/display/73368 |
| 08:12.42 | peterm | liable, i want to do it for fun just to ban ipv4 from my network. if there is both, ipv4 and ipv6 i'm never really sure which one is actually used |
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| 08:13.15 | RestArt | unitypunk: su -c x configure |
| 08:13.21 | krux0 | you need root credentials |
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| 08:14.04 | peterm | i mean rewriting dns is no problem, i would just be a little dnsmasq hack |
| 08:14.16 | peterm | but i have an headacke how to rewrite ipv6 dynamically to ipv4 |
| 08:14.33 | peterm | which tools would i use for something like that, iptables? |
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| 08:15.02 | krux0 | sudo -i password |
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| 08:15.08 | unitypunk | bash: configure not found |
| 08:15.09 | krux0 | then try X -configure again |
| 08:15.15 | unitypunk | k |
| 08:16.06 | unitypunk | sudo -i gave me " unitypunk is not in sudoers.. |
| 08:16.20 | nsadmin | sewer dewers? |
| 08:16.37 | krux0 | do cat /etc/passwd |grep root |
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| 08:17.27 | unitypunk | says something |
| 08:17.30 | RestArt | su; then enter the root's passwd; then you can X -configure |
| 08:17.33 | unitypunk | but i cant read it.. |
| 08:17.58 | nsadmin | do you know root password for that box? |
| 08:18.05 | unitypunk | i do |
| 08:18.14 | krux0 | su password |
| 08:18.16 | unitypunk | i just installed it less then 20 mins ago lol |
| 08:18.26 | unitypunk | got x configure to run |
| 08:18.26 | nsadmin | ok type that when su asks |
| 08:18.28 | krux0 | X -configure |
| 08:18.30 | unitypunk | but i need to kill x |
| 08:18.54 | krux0 | don't kill X |
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| 08:19.07 | krux0 | is there another machine in the house? |
| 08:19.10 | unitypunk | said it couldnt be done with window alive |
| 08:19.12 | unitypunk | yeah |
| 08:19.14 | unitypunk | lappy |
| 08:19.15 | krux0 | i know |
| 08:19.17 | unitypunk | and desk |
| 08:19.29 | krux0 | use that to get help from us |
| 08:19.35 | unitypunk | i am. |
| 08:19.36 | nsadmin | lappy and deskky |
| 08:19.41 | krux0 | and do you magic on the unix box |
| 08:19.47 | krux0 | well then yeah kill X |
| 08:19.47 | unitypunk | laptop is on irc |
| 08:19.53 | unitypunk | stopx? |
| 08:20.06 | krux0 | /etc/init.d/gdm stop or w/e |
| 08:20.32 | unitypunk | hmm |
| 08:20.53 | krux0 | did that kill X? |
| 08:20.57 | unitypunk | no |
| 08:21.13 | unitypunk | isnt there a keystroke to killx? |
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| 08:21.29 | krux0 | try /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 08:21.44 | unitypunk | hold on |
| 08:21.47 | unitypunk | broke it |
| 08:21.51 | unitypunk | had to reboot. |
| 08:21.57 | krux0 | or /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 08:22.11 | unitypunk | useing gdm |
| 08:22.35 | krux0 | you don't have it configured to start X, right? |
| 08:22.45 | unitypunk | uhh |
| 08:22.51 | unitypunk | x starts at login |
| 08:22.58 | unitypunk | login window is all prettty |
| 08:23.05 | unitypunk | not console.. |
| 08:23.17 | unitypunk | i didnt set it that way.. |
| 08:23.19 | unitypunk | but hey. |
| 08:23.24 | hoxu | !enter |
| 08:23.24 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 08:24.35 | unitypunk | okay |
| 08:24.39 | unitypunk | logged in. |
| 08:24.48 | krux0 | open a terminal |
| 08:24.58 | unitypunk | yeppa |
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| 08:25.18 | krux0 | actually do an alt+ctrl F1 |
| 08:25.28 | unitypunk | yay |
| 08:25.37 | krux0 | that didn't kill X |
| 08:25.46 | unitypunk | sure looks like it. |
| 08:25.50 | unitypunk | but i believe you |
| 08:25.56 | krux0 | it's still running |
| 08:26.06 | unitypunk | whats ctraltf1 do? |
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| 08:26.10 | unitypunk | to shell? |
| 08:26.13 | krux0 | alt+ctrl F7 will bring you back to X |
| 08:26.21 | mikeifying | hey do any of the players in debian nativly support an avi ? |
| 08:26.47 | krux0 | if you make it support avi |
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| 08:27.13 | krux0 | are you at the shell? |
| 08:27.19 | spal | is there a page which lists all the mirrors available that I can put in sources.list ? |
| 08:27.24 | unitypunk | yea |
| 08:27.33 | krux0 | ok you logged in then? |
| 08:27.52 | unitypunk | yeh |
| 08:27.58 | hoxu | !tell spal about mirrors |
| 08:27.58 | nsadmin | spal: look at www.debian.org |
| 08:28.07 | spal | thanks got it: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 08:28.47 | krux0 | no try this and tell me what it presents |
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| 08:29.04 | krux0 | ls /etc/init.d/x* |
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| 08:29.31 | unitypunk | x11-common |
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| 08:29.57 | unitypunk | well etc/init.d/x11-common |
| 08:30.08 | krux0 | hold on let me find out which file debian uses to start the display manager |
| 08:30.47 | hoxu | /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
| 08:31.07 | unitypunk | man |
| 08:31.26 | unitypunk | i swear i installed this same copy of debian on the same system a month or so ago and it worked fine.. |
| 08:31.39 | hoxu | unitypunk, ask the question again, in a concise manner please |
| 08:31.42 | krux0 | it will work fine |
| 08:31.47 | krux0 | just kill X |
| 08:31.52 | krux0 | ps aux | grep X |
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| 08:32.25 | krux0 | get the process id and when kill X. hopefully that will not sprout a new session |
| 08:32.47 | unitypunk | crap |
| 08:33.02 | Supaplex | tastic |
| 08:33.11 | unitypunk | forgot pipe dosent mean enter. |
| 08:33.21 | unitypunk | did grep X seperate |
| 08:33.31 | unitypunk | now its not doing anything |
| 08:33.42 | krux0 | unity do ls /etc/init.d/*dm* |
| 08:33.47 | krux0 | tell me what it shows you |
| 08:33.49 | unitypunk | cant do anything now :? |
| 08:34.02 | unitypunk | waiting for input after grep X |
| 08:34.09 | RestArt | ctrl + d |
| 08:34.09 | hoxu | unitypunk, ^D |
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| 08:34.21 | unitypunk | ohh neat |
| 08:34.23 | unitypunk | ok |
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| 08:34.49 | unitypunk | gdm int here |
| 08:34.57 | krux0 | what? |
| 08:35.07 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: Hi, how are you? |
| 08:35.17 | Guerin | unitypunk: perhaps if you were less stupid you might have better results. |
| 08:35.33 | krux0 | unity, what was the output |
| 08:35.41 | unitypunk | ./etc/init.d/gdm |
| 08:35.44 | unitypunk | -. |
| 08:35.47 | krux0 | great!! |
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| 08:36.02 | krux0 | now do, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:36.17 | unitypunk | done |
| 08:36.30 | unitypunk | X -configure worked |
| 08:36.32 | unitypunk | sweet |
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| 08:36.51 | krux0 | ok now do what X -configure told you to do |
| 08:37.00 | krux0 | it should be within the last few lines |
| 08:37.12 | krux0 | brb |
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| 08:37.46 | unitypunk | fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices |
| 08:37.53 | SnoFox | What's the Debian reconfigure command? I can't remember at the moment. -.- |
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| 08:38.46 | hoxu | SnoFox, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:38.46 | unitypunk | crap.. |
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| 08:38.52 | unitypunk | girlfriend here.. |
| 08:38.54 | SnoFox | Oh. :o |
| 08:38.56 | unitypunk | have to finish this later.. |
| 08:38.57 | SnoFox | Simple enough. xD |
| 08:38.58 | unitypunk | :( |
| 08:38.58 | SnoFox | Thanks. |
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| 08:39.29 | SnoFox | Hmm... No options. If I use `dpkg-reconfugre grub` does it reinstall Grub? |
| 08:40.02 | hoxu | no |
| 08:40.07 | peterm | if i have a bridge over one physical ethernet link and a couple of bridges, does the route to the outside need to be set up for the bridge or the ethernet device? |
| 08:40.16 | peterm | like route add default eth0 or route add default br0? |
| 08:40.29 | peterm | with eth0 being bridged unter br0 |
| 08:40.31 | SnoFox | How do I go about doing that? I know Grub was written over, and I'm not about to restart until I'm sure I reinstalled it. :p |
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| 08:41.03 | hoxu | peterm, I'd think br0 ? |
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| 08:41.28 | hoxu | SnoFox, grub-install? |
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| 08:41.31 | krux0 | that's the last time i help a n00b |
| 08:41.32 | nsadmin | SnoFox what dod you pick for where grub would be installed? |
| 08:41.45 | peterm | hoxu, but how does linux know that the packages have to be send via eth0 and not for example tap0 (which is also bridged unter br0) |
| 08:42.02 | nsadmin | krux0: feeling the burn, are ya? |
| 08:42.02 | krux0 | my girlfriend is here too but wtf |
| 08:42.05 | SnoFox | ./boot ? O.o |
| 08:42.24 | hoxu | peterm, from the routing table? :P |
| 08:42.53 | nsadmin | krux0: I'd say you could think about hanging out with your gf... irc will still be here |
| 08:42.56 | hoxu | peterm, or like... magic ! |
| 08:42.59 | peterm | hoxu, hmm so i have to set up first a route add default eth0 and on top of it a route add default br0? |
| 08:43.07 | peterm | hoxu, lol yes ^^ |
| 08:43.19 | peterm | hoxu, i really do belive, bridged routing is magic *g* |
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| 08:43.35 | peterm | 1. bridge 2. route 3. ... 4. profit! |
| 08:43.42 | krux0 | no burn, was really confident about solving the guy's issue fairly soon. |
| 08:44.19 | Supaplex | it's a brouter! it makes decesions on layer 2 and 3 information :) |
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| 08:44.59 | nsadmin | runs broute -n |
| 08:45.23 | Alam_Debian | how would I track what 'plays' around with my network setup, it seem after I login into my GNOME desktop, something ifconfig it down or something |
| 08:45.26 | ferret_0567 | does anybody know why the backspace key does not work in any VTE-based terminal? |
| 08:45.30 | jarick | peterm: Actually, 1. bridge 2. route 3. enable CEF 4. panic 5. weep |
| 08:45.36 | krux0 | is leaving |
| 08:45.39 | krux0 | goodbye all |
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| 08:53.57 | SnoFox | I see! What's the command to make Grub update the menu.lst to all the new OS's on other partitions? |
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| 08:54.31 | mhymn | update-grub? |
| 08:54.54 | SnoFox | Oh. I had it backwards. :D |
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| 08:55.31 | mhymn | why no adding them manually? |
| 08:55.39 | mhymn | not* |
| 08:55.53 | SnoFox | Because I can't figure out the root command. :p |
| 08:56.08 | SnoFox | I set it to the partition, and it said unknown filesystem. I'm testing Windows 7, you see. |
| 08:56.19 | liable | other os's go after the automagic bit, so you have to add them manually.. |
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| 09:01.26 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 09:02.08 | Fox_1_ | people I have added filetype in /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax folder, but it doesn't recognize it. does I need to do something else? |
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| 09:14.18 | valdyn | Fox_1_: filetype detection is done elsewhere |
| 09:14.51 | valdyn | Fox_1_: why are you touching this stuff instead of doing it in /usr/local or ~/ |
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| 09:25.59 | Haris | !unhold |
| 09:25.59 | dpkg | i heard unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections, or "aptitude unhold packagename" if the package is held in aptitude |
| 09:26.22 | Haris | unhold doens't work |
| 09:26.25 | Haris | what do I do? |
| 09:27.07 | mhymn | !doens't work |
| 09:27.07 | mhymn | !doesn't work |
| 09:27.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:27.30 | Haris | means, when I run aptitude upgrade, its in the list of packages that are kept back |
| 09:27.32 | Haris | not upgaded |
| 09:27.36 | Haris | not those being upgraded |
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| 09:27.56 | liable | Haris: use dist-upgrade |
| 09:28.05 | Haris | na.. that's not what I'm looking for |
| 09:28.11 | liable | learn the difference between the two |
| 09:28.37 | Agrajag- | g'day, i've downloaded debian-40r6-ia64-CD-1.iso |
| 09:28.58 | liable | Agrajag-: you have an itanium processor? |
| 09:29.24 | Haris | funny as it is, when I run aptitude purge amavids-new on lenny, it creates a unix user for amavis |
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| 09:29.33 | Agrajag- | liable: heh. no. whoops. ta :) |
| 09:29.54 | liable | Agrajag-: amd64 for an ordinary 64bit intel :) |
| 09:30.03 | nsadmin | Agrajag-: you could just get the netinst... |
| 09:30.39 | Agrajag- | nsadmin: machine doesn't have any network connection (yet) |
| 09:30.54 | nsadmin | oh, hmm... whynot? |
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| 09:31.34 | Agrajag- | no physical access to the switch it will be plugged into |
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| 09:32.32 | nsadmin | let me see if I understand... so you have this machine and it's going to be shipped to a colo? |
| 09:32.56 | Agrajag- | yeah, just want to do a base install for now |
| 09:33.07 | nsadmin | base? that would be on a netinst |
| 09:33.12 | Agrajag- | oh. right |
| 09:33.17 | Agrajag- | will do that then |
| 09:33.19 | Agrajag- | ta |
| 09:33.33 | Agrajag- | what's teh businesscard one? |
| 09:33.37 | nsadmin | if we're talking about the same thing... |
| 09:34.43 | Supaplex | yeah that one thing |
| 09:35.09 | nsadmin | the netinst has the whole installer plus the base on it |
| 09:35.12 | nsadmin | but note, |
| 09:35.19 | nsadmin | you could put the machine on your net |
| 09:35.33 | nsadmin | then reconfigure it after to fit into their net |
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| 09:36.48 | Haris | what does this mean; |
| 09:36.49 | Haris | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `amavis' in statoverride file |
| 09:36.49 | Haris | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 09:36.49 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Haris |
| 09:36.50 | liable | businesscard *has* to have net for install |
| 09:37.07 | Agrajag- | so how come amd64 is named as such if it's what i want for 64bit intel? historical reasons? |
| 09:37.17 | liable | Agrajag-: pretty much |
| 09:37.28 | liable | !ia64 |
| 09:37.28 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
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| 09:37.52 | hetii | hi :) |
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| 09:38.34 | Haris | what is statoverride file ? |
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| 09:39.45 | mhymn | man dpkg-statoverride? |
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| 09:41.42 | anddam_ | hello |
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| 09:43.44 | anddam_ | I've got a static entry for a wireless NIC in interfaces, is it correct to configure it using an "up /sbin/iwconfig ..." line ? |
| 09:43.50 | Haris | -> http://pastie.org/357235 |
| 09:43.53 | eanda-sbs | Morning early risers.. |
| 09:44.07 | Haris | I see |
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| 09:45.55 | anddam_ | back |
| 09:46.06 | Haris | mhymn: Makes no sense |
| 09:46.15 | Haris | mhymn: How itis applicable here |
| 09:46.20 | Haris | How is it+ |
| 09:46.33 | mhymn | just an idea... |
| 09:46.48 | eanda-sbs | I need help setting up a backup system for my web site that is hosted by a an outside hosting agency and back it up on a daily basis to my home based server behind afirewall. Anyone help? anyone know of a document out their? I manage my home server with webmin |
| 09:47.15 | Supaplex | !webmin |
| 09:47.15 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 09:47.37 | liable | anddam_: you can just add iwconfig statements in the file. see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 09:47.38 | anddam | again is it correct to have wireless config in a iwconfig line in interfaces? I have network enc key there |
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| 09:48.39 | Haris | who cares if webmin is lame? Its useful at times. |
| 09:48.58 | eanda-sbs | that was a pretty mean message |
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| 09:49.06 | liable | you will if you get haxored because of it.. |
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| 09:50.14 | eanda-sbs | and.. notice it said an exposed server... i don't run any exposed server so i guess it is alright then |
| 09:50.38 | Haris | I won't |
| 09:50.52 | Haris | get h@x0r3d because of it =) |
| 09:51.27 | eanda-sbs | anyway.anyone out there want to guideme through the step i need to backup my outside web server? |
| 09:51.49 | valdyn | eanda-sbs: man rsync |
| 09:52.17 | Haris | outside web server? |
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| 09:52.43 | valdyn | eanda-sbs: people here usually dont do step by step spoonfeeding |
| 09:53.12 | Tekno | lol |
| 09:53.37 | eanda-sbs | <Haris> Yes I run a web site . I'm just looking for the conceptual Ideas for getting it accomplished you puke.. |
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| 09:53.49 | Evan_ | good morning |
| 09:53.53 | Evan_ | I'm having a problem |
| 09:54.00 | Evan_ | I recently updated from etch to lenny |
| 09:54.02 | valdyn | eanda-sbs: so if you come up with a less vague question and its noticable that you spend some effort yourself you will more easier get help |
| 09:54.06 | Evan_ | Now my xserver will not stop |
| 09:54.08 | Evan_ | er |
| 09:54.10 | julian_ | anyone here manage to get the Intel 5100 working with WPA using the iwlagn (iwlwifi) driver? it doesn't get a DHCP lease, instead it associates and then automatically disassociates "[435597.428579] wlan0: disassociating by local choice (reason=3)" |
| 09:54.12 | Evan_ | Now my xserver will not start |
| 09:54.27 | julian_ | i see several other people out there with the same problem |
| 09:55.11 | Evan_ | Once the update was finish I loaded KDE as normal it ran for about 5 minutes |
| 09:55.16 | Evan_ | and then I just got a black screen |
| 09:55.17 | valdyn | Evan_: is the package xorg installed? |
| 09:55.20 | Evan_ | and it hung there |
| 09:55.25 | Evan_ | Yes |
| 09:55.37 | Evan_ | It is installed and configured |
| 09:55.38 | eanda-sbs | most of the time it comes down to using someone elses software that I have to install or vs using linux's inherent tools.. I'm just looking for which is the best way to accomplish that.. |
| 09:56.02 | Evan_ | valdyn: the configuration has not changed since the update, I opted to keep that the same. |
| 09:56.13 | valdyn | Evan_: you probably shouldnt |
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| 09:56.18 | eanda-sbs | don't worry, I do most of my research once my methodology is established.. |
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| 09:56.19 | Evan_ | valdyn: woops? |
| 09:56.27 | valdyn | Evan_: which error(s) are in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:56.44 | Evan_ | You want the errors at the bottom of the list correct? |
| 09:56.56 | valdyn | Evan_: anything with (EE) |
| 09:57.17 | Evan_ | Would you like me to paste these in the room or in a private chat |
| 09:57.22 | valdyn | !paste |
| 09:57.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:58.11 | Evan_ | Indeed |
| 09:58.18 | Evan_ | I will look for them |
| 09:59.52 | Evan_ | Ok here |
| 09:59.55 | Evan_ | oops |
| 09:59.57 | Evan_ | http://paste.debian.net/25650/ |
| 10:00.02 | Evan_ | Not much with ee |
| 10:00.07 | Evan_ | mostlys WW and II |
| 10:00.21 | Evan_ | But here is a couple and the last few lines of the log |
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| 10:01.15 | valdyn | Evan_: uname -r |
| 10:01.30 | Evan_ | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 10:04.55 | valdyn | Evan_: no idea |
| 10:05.06 | Evan_ | I was thinking it could be something with the configuration of the xorg.conf because I've gotten it to at least reject the start up of xserv |
| 10:05.12 | valdyn | Evan_: check that the upgrade completed and use a clean xorg.conf |
| 10:05.14 | Evan_ | instead of hanging in a black screen |
| 10:05.51 | Evan_ | Well, when I use a clean xorg.conf it doesn't detect any video card |
| 10:05.52 | Evan_ | eh |
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| 10:06.12 | valdyn | Evan_: uh? it does not find your intel card? |
| 10:06.19 | Evan_ | Nope |
| 10:06.30 | Evan_ | When I install the package |
| 10:06.35 | Evan_ | It just sets it up for the keyboard |
| 10:06.44 | Evan_ | Doesn't ask me for any video cards |
| 10:07.03 | valdyn | Evan_: its not supposed to ask, video cards are easy to autodetect |
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| 10:07.21 | Evan_ | Oh, well it's not autodetecting. |
| 10:07.26 | Evan_ | D: |
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| 10:09.10 | Evan_ | Well I'll run through the upgrade again |
| 10:09.14 | Evan_ | See what it brings |
| 10:09.49 | chlue | Hello is someone here, who installeld the fglrx-driver from experimental. Aptitude does not wan't to do it here, because it does like the version of xserver-xorg. |
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| 10:12.36 | chlue | I get: 'fglrx-driver hängt ab von xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.4) [NICHT VERFÜGBAR]' but I allready have xorg 1:7.4~4 installed. A bug in aptitude? |
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| 10:16.47 | toolz | is there anyone available to asnwer questions |
| 10:17.18 | x1250 | toolz, how should I know? just ask |
| 10:17.30 | toolz | I am trying to install debian4.0r6etchnhalf-amd64 on a intel core 2 quad q9550 with 8GB of ram |
| 10:17.43 | toolz | and the fucking dvd-rw is not recognised when trying to install |
| 10:17.47 | toolz | but it boots the cd |
| 10:17.52 | toolz | this drives me crazy |
| 10:18.27 | toolz | this is the dvd-rw |
| 10:18.28 | toolz | DVDRW NEC-OPTIARC 20X AD-5200A PATA BLACK BULK |
| 10:18.43 | toolz | should I destroy it with a hammer? |
| 10:18.49 | azeem | toolz: eh, relax |
| 10:18.59 | hoxu | !calmdown toolz |
| 10:19.11 | toolz | but whats wrong with it |
| 10:19.15 | toolz | it is killing me |
| 10:19.16 | toolz | lol |
| 10:19.21 | toolz | a shittie dvd-rw |
| 10:19.29 | azeem | toolz: booting is done by the BIOS, the rest is done by Linux |
| 10:19.39 | toolz | yeah |
| 10:19.46 | azeem | so the fact it boots doesn't mean it automatically get detected and used by Linux |
| 10:19.55 | maligor | maybe the controller isn't recognized |
| 10:19.55 | toolz | yeah I know |
| 10:20.00 | toolz | it doesnt get detected by the os |
| 10:20.02 | toolz | but why! |
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| 10:20.25 | toolz | yeah it isnt recognized but how do I fix it |
| 10:21.19 | azeem | toolz: I suggest you change to the virtual console (via alt+f2 or alt+f3), start the shell and run "dmesg", does this print out logs? |
| 10:21.27 | toolz | azeem |
| 10:21.29 | toolz | yes it does |
| 10:21.40 | toolz | but how do I scroll it up |
| 10:21.59 | toolz | or how do I dmesg | grep.. etc or something like that to list and scroll down by my own |
| 10:22.06 | azeem | toolz: ok, run "dmesg | grep NEC" |
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| 10:22.24 | azeem | toolz: also, try shift+pgup |
| 10:22.30 | toolz | ok |
| 10:22.33 | toolz | trying now |
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| 10:25.00 | toolz | nothing listed on that one azeem |
| 10:25.23 | azeem | toolz: ok, try d"mesg | grep -i ide" |
| 10:25.29 | azeem | eh, dmesg, you know what I mean |
| 10:25.32 | toolz | k |
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| 10:26.08 | toolz | only one line like ahci |
| 10:26.31 | azeem | toolz: please run lspci |
| 10:26.36 | azeem | does it have something about ICH? |
| 10:26.37 | toolz | ahci ..... bla bla, 32 slots 3 ports 3gb/s |
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| 10:27.02 | toolz | no |
| 10:27.04 | toolz | only AHCI |
| 10:27.07 | toolz | and under this line |
| 10:27.09 | toolz | IDE mode |
| 10:27.09 | azeem | hrm |
| 10:27.42 | azeem | toolz: I suggest you try the lenny RC1 installer |
| 10:27.58 | azeem | toolz: is this going to be a company server, or your personal computer? |
| 10:28.04 | toolz | a company server |
| 10:28.08 | azeem | hrm |
| 10:28.08 | toolz | hosting server |
| 10:28.16 | azeem | well, probably a good idea to at least try it |
| 10:28.23 | azeem | to get further information |
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| 10:28.34 | toolz | but WHY does this shitty dvd-rw not working?! |
| 10:28.35 | liable | try seeing if your bios has compatability mode for the controller |
| 10:28.48 | toolz | the bios recognized it |
| 10:29.00 | liable | you misread what i said |
| 10:29.03 | azeem | toolz: because likely your IDE/AHCI controller is not supported by the etchnhalf kernel |
| 10:29.13 | azeem | toolz: as I said above, the BIOS does not matter |
| 10:29.17 | liable | once, disabling acpi help a person with this problem |
| 10:29.28 | azeem | toolz: by definition the BIOS knows about it, or else the whole computer would be a brick |
| 10:29.40 | toolz | yeah.. |
| 10:29.57 | toolz | I dont want to try out other stuff I want to install what I need |
| 10:30.02 | azeem | please follow what liable said |
| 10:30.05 | toolz | ok |
| 10:30.16 | toolz | checking |
| 10:30.24 | toolz | btw, how do I see that thing? :D |
| 10:30.32 | azeem | the BIOS? |
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| 10:33.21 | toolz | should I enable PCIPnP setting in bios |
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| 10:34.05 | azeem | toolz: as a first thing, only change one thing, the AHCI compat, if available |
| 10:34.16 | toolz | there is something there |
| 10:34.19 | toolz | SATA Storage |
| 10:34.22 | azeem | toolz: next, I suggest you get the exact model of your server and google for it |
| 10:34.23 | dutchfish | Anyone now when this patch will go through, i am eagerly waiting for it on lost of machines: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504928 |
| 10:34.25 | toolz | IDE AHCI |
| 10:34.28 | toolz | and it is set IDE |
| 10:34.44 | dutchfish | s/now/know |
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| 10:35.10 | Illusion | Hello, I have restored mysql databases in /var/lib/mysql. But all databaes have root permissions, how can I change the owner to mysql? |
| 10:35.23 | Maulkin | have a look at 'man chown' |
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| 10:35.46 | Illusion | Maulkin: I did that, but it killed mysql from starting again |
| 10:35.52 | Supaplex | is there anyway to (automation...) attach and detach gdb to a process, and trace at will? I don't know that I'll spot the issue with strace, so I'm recompiling with debug symbols, and hopefully write a perl/shell script to monitor and act under certian conditions. |
| 10:35.59 | dutchfish | Illusion, dump permissions in the old db and restore them in the new |
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| 10:36.15 | toolz | in bios 1st boot device |
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| 10:36.38 | toolz | IDE: Optiarc DVD-RW |
| 10:37.09 | dutchfish | Illusion, like this: http://openconcept.ca/mysql_permissions_for_backup |
| 10:37.19 | Illusion | thnx |
| 10:38.02 | toolz | SATA Storage configuration |
| 10:38.04 | toolz | Enhaced |
| 10:38.09 | Illusion | dutchfish: cant i just export them and import them again? |
| 10:38.19 | dutchfish | Illusion, export how? |
| 10:38.20 | toolz | other options Compatible, it is currently set as IDE, other option AHCI |
| 10:38.25 | toolz | should I set anything there |
| 10:38.31 | Illusion | dutchfish: I can read them in phpmyadmin |
| 10:38.56 | dutchfish | Illusion, ah ok, but i prefere mysqldump because the syntax is clean |
| 10:39.02 | Illusion | but they are owned by root. they need to be ownded by mysql ofc |
| 10:39.19 | dutchfish | Illusion, or change them by hand if not many |
| 10:39.42 | Illusion | dutchfish, im gonna test it |
| 10:39.49 | dutchfish | Illusion, gl |
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| 10:39.58 | Gigantic | !when |
| 10:39.58 | dpkg | Now! |
| 10:40.03 | Gigantic | !really? |
| 10:40.03 | dpkg | yes, gigantic |
| 10:40.04 | liable | toolz: not enhanced |
| 10:40.07 | Gigantic | woot! |
| 10:40.21 | Gigantic | !when lenny |
| 10:40.27 | dutchfish | Gigantic, fun with the bot? ;) |
| 10:40.28 | toolz | liable then how? compatible? |
| 10:40.30 | Illusion | dutchfish thnx |
| 10:40.33 | liable | toolz: yes |
| 10:40.34 | Gigantic | :) |
| 10:40.36 | toolz | ok |
| 10:40.54 | dutchfish | Illusion, yw |
| 10:42.09 | Gigantic | heh |
| 10:42.31 | Illusion | dutchfish: it seems i can change permissions in phpmyadmin |
| 10:42.32 | Gigantic | looks like Lenny is not going to see the Spring |
| 10:42.38 | dutchfish | Illusion, sure |
| 10:43.08 | dutchfish | Gigantic, its ready when ... ehe .. it is ready |
| 10:43.45 | Gigantic | dutchfish: yeah, I was looking at the buglist, expected it to be much shorter... |
| 10:44.10 | dutchfish | Gigantic, it will grow a bit before decreasing, prolly ;) |
| 10:44.29 | Gigantic | I hope this is the growing part :) |
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| 10:44.48 | dutchfish | Gigantic, soem wait to long reporting bugs, too bad |
| 10:45.04 | Gigantic | yeah, I am one of those =\ |
| 10:45.14 | dutchfish | !salp Gigantic |
| 10:45.21 | dutchfish | !slap Gigantic |
| 10:45.21 | Gigantic | !slap me |
| 10:45.21 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across gigantic's face |
| 10:45.22 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Gigantic's face |
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| 10:45.53 | Haris | loks like someone woke up inside dpkg |
| 10:45.55 | Haris | hehe |
| 10:46.04 | dutchfish | all you bugs belong to us, havent read the fine manuals! ;) |
| 10:47.07 | toolz | liable nothing |
| 10:47.08 | NoReGreT | I got flash installed (apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla), but flash related sites aren't showing... e.g. youtube, the video is just blank, what's the deal ? (on iceweasel 2.0.0.18) |
| 10:47.10 | toolz | not working |
| 10:47.12 | toolz | doh |
| 10:47.21 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, 64 bit lenny? |
| 10:47.28 | NoReGreT | dutchfish: 32 etch |
| 10:47.45 | Gigantic | good guess lol |
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| 10:47.59 | marv- | anybody know a kde/x11 battery monitor that uses ACPI and not APM? |
| 10:48.00 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, well, i was not to lucky either on 32 bit with that, adn ended up with gnash, that works for me |
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| 10:48.10 | NoReGreT | I see |
| 10:48.49 | mhymn | NoReGreT: try the one in dmm or bpo |
| 10:48.49 | dutchfish | NoReGreT, i am using mostly 64bit nowadays /msg dpkg about flash64beta |
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| 10:49.30 | liable | toolz: whats the controller for your dvd drive? |
| 10:49.32 | NoReGreT | mhymn: what are those ? |
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| 10:49.48 | toolz | liable IDE |
| 10:50.00 | liable | toolz: i mean the chipset |
| 10:50.16 | mhymn | NoReGreT: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 10:50.22 | mhymn | same for bpo |
| 10:50.32 | toolz | liable this is the dvd-rw: DVDRW NEC-OPTIARC 20X AD-5200A PATA BLACK BULK |
| 10:50.51 | toolz | the motherboard is: asus P5Q |
| 10:50.55 | liable | toolz: no, the controller. mentioned in lspci |
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| 10:53.11 | chfwiggum | hi all! |
| 10:54.00 | NoReGreT | mhymn: i think i got the flash package from bmm before |
| 10:54.13 | NoReGreT | mhymn: so i shal remove it then reinstall it ? |
| 10:54.26 | mhymn | NoReGreT: i guess so |
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| 10:54.40 | NoReGreT | mhymn: i got the two rpos, bmm and bpo |
| 10:54.48 | mhymn | no, dmm |
| 10:54.56 | toolz | liable: IDE Interface: Intel corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller and IDE Interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 Sata II Controller (rev b2) |
| 10:54.58 | NoReGreT | I'll give it a shot |
| 10:54.59 | toolz | these |
| 10:55.03 | mhymn | NoReGreT: debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:55.14 | chfwiggum | how do i install all except one package in cl with apt-get. looking for a regex. tia |
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| 10:55.38 | dutchfish | chfwiggum, all?? |
| 10:55.59 | chfwiggum | well, trying to get kde4 but without kdepim |
| 10:56.46 | dutchfish | chfwiggum, that break dependecies? |
| 10:56.55 | chfwiggum | yep |
| 10:56.59 | Gigantic | anyone know where to get the gspcav source? |
| 10:57.57 | chfwiggum | is there a regex for 'without' , like there is one for all with * ? |
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| 10:59.17 | toolz | liable, any idea? |
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| 10:59.39 | liable | toolz: http://blog.cmyers.org/?p=10 |
| 11:00.01 | liable | toolz: try the etchnhalf installer |
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| 11:00.06 | liable | !etchnhalf |
| 11:00.06 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 11:01.35 | Supaplex | chfwiggum: there's [^] for charater classes, but the -v switch on grep negates the logic. eg, you get everything except matches. |
| 11:01.40 | toolz | liable I am using etchnhalf 4.0r6 amd64 |
| 11:01.43 | NoReGreT | mhymn: i removed the package, but the browser still detects it from 'about:plugins' (after reopening the browser) |
| 11:01.46 | toolz | and it is not working |
| 11:02.02 | toolz | FUCKsake WHY on p5q? my GOD this is pissing me off |
| 11:02.06 | toolz | mrrrr. |
| 11:02.17 | toolz | I am sick of asus |
| 11:02.24 | toolz | and his p5x and his atheros and shit |
| 11:02.24 | toolz | damn |
| 11:02.26 | dutchfish | chfwiggum, its possible but how you gone solve the brakage of the system? |
| 11:02.28 | chfwiggum | Supaplex: thx a bunch. i'll have a look at it |
| 11:02.42 | Supaplex | np chfwiggum |
| 11:02.46 | liable | toolz: ok, try the lenny netinst, it has 26 (i woulda thunk 24 wouldve supported it) |
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| 11:03.06 | toolz | liable but whats the difference? |
| 11:03.12 | toolz | between etchnhalf/lenny? |
| 11:03.43 | liable | toolz: lenny is current testing, soonish to be released stable with a 26 kernel |
| 11:03.45 | Supaplex | toolz: of the kernel? or the dists? |
| 11:04.09 | chfwiggum | dutchfish: for now it's not installing for any reason, so i figured i try it this way. dunno if it might work |
| 11:04.09 | mhymn | NoReGreT: check '/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins' or '~/.mozilla/plugins' and so on |
| 11:04.11 | toolz | this kernel seems to be 2.6.26-1 |
| 11:04.16 | NoReGreT | mhymn: already did, and they're there.. |
| 11:04.21 | NoReGreT | mhymn: remove them by hand ? |
| 11:04.22 | toolz | I am in a shell on the installed on the server and did uname -a |
| 11:04.33 | toolz | and its 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 11:04.35 | mhymn | NoReGreT: try 'aptitude purge pkg' |
| 11:04.37 | dutchfish | chfwiggum, ic, better solve why it is not then ... |
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| 11:04.54 | liable | toolz: your right, the installer for etchnhalf uses the lenny installer.. |
| 11:05.12 | chfwiggum | dutchfish: u make a good point there :) |
| 11:05.13 | toolz | installer* |
| 11:05.29 | toolz | *DOH* that means I cant install debian?! |
| 11:05.34 | liable | toolz: for giggles, boot with acpi=off |
| 11:05.56 | liable | this worked in the past for someone with this issue |
| 11:06.08 | liable | not counting on it though |
| 11:06.26 | toolz | ok but whats the difference on running with acpi on and off |
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| 11:06.57 | NoReGreT | mhymn: it'll remove irrelevant packages, not related to flash |
| 11:06.58 | dutchfish | liable, toolz noapic is another option that work for me on those boards ;) |
| 11:07.12 | toolz | dutchfish what do you mean |
| 11:07.28 | liable | toolz: it wont make any difference to the install. just try it. its a kernel option, that for some reason which i have no clue why, worked in the past for this problem |
| 11:07.56 | toolz | ok how do I boot with acpi off |
| 11:08.00 | mhymn | NoReGreT: well, not recommended but, seems you should remove them manually.. |
| 11:08.08 | toolz | will try |
| 11:08.15 | liable | just type acpi=off at the prompt |
| 11:08.42 | NoReGreT | mhymn: ok then, they're only in ~/.mozilla and not in /usr/lib/iceweasel |
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| 11:11.08 | dihymo | dom0 on xen is faster than standard kernel it's downright weird |
| 11:11.22 | dutchfish | dihymo, yes |
| 11:11.23 | toolz | liable not workng |
| 11:11.46 | dihymo | i haven |
| 11:12.04 | dihymo | i haven't set up any domUs yet though |
| 11:12.21 | dutchfish | dihymo, yes, that is still ok, yes |
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| 11:12.28 | liable | toolz: in vt2, lsmod, does it show pata-marvell? |
| 11:12.56 | dihymo | it's so strange that it's faster but ok |
| 11:13.04 | dutchfish | dihymo, :) |
| 11:13.13 | toolz | liable nope it doesnt |
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| 11:13.29 | liable | toolz: modprobe pata-marvell |
| 11:13.31 | dutchfish | toolz, try acpi=off, noapic |
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| 11:14.12 | JohnNy64-konik | I'll also ask in this channel: Is it somehow possible to tell the Xinerama extension to make the LCD screen of a laptop the primary one? Using the intel graphics driver... |
| 11:14.18 | NoReGreT | mhymn: everything's is working now, thanks |
| 11:14.19 | toolz | liable FATAL module pata_marvell not found. |
| 11:14.25 | dihymo | now what do I need to create a domU that can do a net install of debian |
| 11:14.49 | liable | toolz: check spelling, it should be there |
| 11:15.05 | toolz | i typed pata-marvell |
| 11:15.09 | toolz | and it replyed pata_marvell |
| 11:15.16 | liable | thats ok |
| 11:15.24 | dihymo | if only grub would detect and set up xen properly |
| 11:16.10 | toolz | dutchfish not working... |
| 11:16.22 | dutchfish | dihymo, 1st read the fine manuals, someting like xen-create-image -hostname=mailserver -ip=10.0.0.21 -netmask=255.255.255.0 -gateway=10.0.0.1 -passwd, but you need to setup xen first! |
| 11:16.55 | liable | toolz: gimme five to check something |
| 11:16.59 | dutchfish | dihymo, maybe on etch: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/installing-xen-on-debian-etch-40/ |
| 11:17.21 | toolz | liable, ok thank you very much for your time and help |
| 11:17.48 | dutchfish | dihymo, dont forget /etc/default/xend to configure |
| 11:17.49 | moldy | hi |
| 11:18.02 | toolz | I will mail asus: the heck with your products, but I will continue buying them. |
| 11:18.03 | toolz | lol. |
| 11:19.27 | dihymo | cool |
| 11:19.38 | liable | toolz: the lenny installer should definately have that module |
| 11:19.53 | liable | toolz: whats the exact link you got your image from? |
| 11:20.00 | toolz | wait |
| 11:21.03 | toolz | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
| 11:21.08 | toolz | images amd64 |
| 11:21.21 | toolz | netinst |
| 11:21.36 | mhymn | md5's OK? |
| 11:21.46 | liable | thats not the issue.. |
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| 11:21.58 | mhymn | hmm |
| 11:22.20 | toolz | debian-40r6-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:22.27 | toolz | this is the image |
| 11:23.45 | toolz | wonder why debian doesnt have these modules |
| 11:23.49 | liable | it does |
| 11:23.49 | toolz | I mean this is new hardware.. |
| 11:23.52 | toolz | update! |
| 11:24.37 | toolz | well I got the lates release and.. having problems |
| 11:24.37 | toolz | :D |
| 11:24.41 | toolz | latest |
| 11:25.04 | dutchfish | toolz, did you check that you have latest bios? |
| 11:25.13 | liable | thats also not the issue |
| 11:25.30 | toolz | dutchfish what does bios has to do with debian not seeing that module |
| 11:25.31 | liable | the installer should have pata-marvell, in is case it appears not to |
| 11:25.47 | toolz | it doesnt and I am running the latest cd.. |
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| 11:26.19 | Gigantic | anyone know if the kde4 backport is kinda stable? |
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| 11:26.39 | Gigantic | s/stable/usable |
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| 11:26.57 | liable | toolz: i am not sure why you dont have that module. everything i have checked says you should in that installer. try this please.. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:26.58 | dutchfish | toolz, liable because udev messes up again? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397062 |
| 11:27.13 | liable | dutchfish: he tried manually modprobing the module |
| 11:27.45 | toolz | liable this is the last one I got |
| 11:27.46 | toolz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r6-etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 11:27.54 | dutchfish | liable, that doesnt mean it is not there? |
| 11:28.16 | liable | toolz: yep, i have check the pata-modules udeb, and it has the module, so i am confused why you dont have it |
| 11:28.30 | liable | dutchfish: yes it does |
| 11:28.37 | dutchfish | toolz, liable because udev messes up again? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397062 |
| 11:28.47 | Gigantic | these guys in amsn are a bit uncarefull... |
| 11:28.59 | liable | toolz: before you rebbot |
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| 11:29.50 | dutchfish | liable, i bet my hat that it is udev, again |
| 11:29.53 | liable | toolz: ls /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/ata |
| 11:29.54 | toolz | well it is not here.. no idea why |
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| 11:30.44 | toolz | liable: pata_sys.ko is there |
| 11:30.44 | dutchfish | liable, in my lenny beta 2 installer it is there |
| 11:31.06 | dutchfish | i am confused now |
| 11:31.09 | liable | toolz: is that it? |
| 11:31.13 | toolz | no idea |
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| 11:31.29 | liable | no, i meant is that all? |
| 11:31.32 | toolz | no |
| 11:31.34 | toolz | others too |
| 11:31.38 | liable | which? |
| 11:31.43 | toolz | sata_...ko |
| 11:31.51 | liable | the full names dude.. |
| 11:31.53 | toolz | ahci.ko, ata_piix.ko |
| 11:31.56 | toolz | ok |
| 11:32.09 | dutchfish | liable, It appears that the all-generic-ide option only works if the generic ide driver is built into the kernel, not if it is loaded as a module! |
| 11:32.21 | liable | the kernel may be lenny's, but it appears kernel-wedge is not |
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| 11:32.43 | rprettyman | recompile |
| 11:33.07 | liable | dutchfish: i want to know why his specific module that he needs is not there |
| 11:33.19 | liable | !genttosmite rprettyman |
| 11:33.19 | dutchfish | liable, because its build in |
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| 11:33.19 | toolz | ahci ata_piic libata pata_sis pdc_adma sata_inic162x sata_mv sata_nv sata_promise sata_qstor sata_sil sata_ sil24 sata_ svw sata_sis sata_sx4 sata_uli sata_via sata_vsc |
| 11:33.21 | toolz | these |
| 11:33.26 | liable | dutchfish: no |
| 11:33.26 | toolz | all end in .ko |
| 11:33.51 | liable | dutchfish: i am looking at the udeb for pata-modules and the module is there.. |
| 11:34.03 | liable | toolz: try the lenny installer |
| 11:34.24 | toolz | it should work with that |
| 11:34.26 | dutchfish | liable, ok, fair enough |
| 11:34.45 | toolz | liable, and if it works with that lenny? what should I do |
| 11:34.49 | liable | toolz: you can still install etch with that installer |
| 11:35.01 | toolz | yes? how? install linux-image? |
| 11:35.06 | toolz | after I install? |
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| 11:35.43 | ukmnh | when i add information to an existing bug report, reportbug doesn't ask me if there's a patch (unlike it does on new reports)? |
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| 11:36.29 | liable | toolz: gimme five. just download and try it first to see if it detects your controller |
| 11:36.40 | toolz | k |
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| 11:39.18 | Mark17 | hello, can someone inform me if it is possible to see if /dev/sd* is in use for / (ext3) or SWAP? |
| 11:39.32 | dutchfish | lsof |
| 11:40.14 | rprettyman | Mark17: cfdisk |
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| 11:40.38 | Mark17 | rprettyman: thnx |
| 11:40.46 | rprettyman | Mark17:gui alt+f2 su -c "gparted" |
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| 11:42.11 | rprettyman | open questions, what has been your experience with installing lenny vs upgrading to it, how stable does it run for you (considering etch upgrade on home system) |
| 11:43.47 | toolz | liable, rebooting with that cd in |
| 11:43.49 | toolz | lets see |
| 11:44.36 | toolz | same thing, LOL |
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| 11:44.50 | toolz | wasnt recognised openint another terminal after that module |
| 11:45.06 | liable | toolz: *groan* and the module doesnt exist? |
| 11:45.14 | philozopher | rprettyman: I have no problems at all. It's why I use Debian I can upgrade anytime, seamlessly. |
| 11:45.38 | toolz | liable, IT DOES NOT EXIST |
| 11:45.45 | toolz | pata_marvell not found |
| 11:45.51 | liable | no need to yell.. |
| 11:46.09 | toolz | sorry, I am not yelling to you |
| 11:46.14 | toolz | im just pissed off.. :P |
| 11:46.25 | rprettyman | philiozopher: thanx i tried upgrading a snap shot like 9-10 months ago and it was really buggy, but i've been hearing good things lately, thanx |
| 11:46.39 | liable | for good reason.. but lets see if we can get to the bottom of it.. |
| 11:47.28 | liable | toolz: do the ls again. if that module doesnt exist, i'll eat my hat. it *should* be there |
| 11:47.44 | toolz | lsmod? |
| 11:47.48 | philozopher | rprettyman: I currently use Lenny. I've got problems with network configuration in Etch. |
| 11:47.58 | rprettyman | toolz: list modules |
| 11:48.02 | toolz | k |
| 11:48.37 | liable | toolz: ls /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/ata |
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| 11:48.50 | toolz | it is not there |
| 11:48.55 | toolz | same modules as on the other cd |
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| 11:49.37 | toolz | its the same kernel anyway.. 2.6.26-1-amd64 and pata-marvell is not listed there liable |
| 11:49.38 | toolz | ... |
| 11:49.58 | philozopher | Do you know something about Xen Virtualization on Debian? |
| 11:49.59 | rprettyman | toolz:lshw|grep SATA (or sata Sata) |
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| 11:50.27 | liable | toolz: do you have a usb stick handy? |
| 11:50.32 | toolz | lshw not found |
| 11:50.36 | toolz | liable yes I have a usb stick |
| 11:50.58 | liable | toolz: put this on it .. ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6/pata-modules-2.6.26-1-amd64-di_1.52_amd64.udeb |
| 11:51.28 | liable | toolz: you happy with mounting it in the installer? |
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| 11:52.05 | rprettyman | philiozopher: I haven't actually tried it yet, I've still got a bad habit of compiling and patching my own kernel |
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| 11:54.16 | philozopher | rprettyman: I tried it in another way. I wanted to virtualize Windows, because I don't like rebooting and I am forced to use Windows. I tried on Lenny, and you? |
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| 11:56.00 | ggeecko | can somebody tell me how to install the exchange plugin in evolution |
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| 11:57.00 | philozopher | ggecko: I think ypu should install the package and enable plugin in Evolution. |
| 11:57.24 | philozopher | ggecko: I think there is a package like this. |
| 11:57.33 | rprettyman | philiozopher: I've been running XP and 2003 on VMWare and Vbox on vanalia and had decent results, and don't notice much difference on the custom, I'd be interested to see if the Xen gave any performance boost. |
| 11:58.07 | toolz | liable I plugged the stick |
| 11:58.12 | toolz | with that module on it |
| 11:58.19 | rprettyman | ggecko: http://packages.debian.org/testing/evolution-exchange |
| 11:58.23 | liable | toolz: you know how to mount it? |
| 11:58.29 | toolz | no |
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| 11:58.41 | liable | toolz: mkdir foo |
| 11:59.12 | liable | toolz: whats dmesg say about it? what dev did it give to the stick? |
| 11:59.24 | liable | just look at the last output of dmesg |
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| 12:00.10 | toolz | sdb1? |
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| 12:01.28 | liable | ok |
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| 12:01.37 | philozopher | rprettyman: I am pretty new to Xen, so I decided to use virt-manager. I installed xen hypervisor packages and rebooted to Xen kernel. I also assure myself that zen deamon is running, but virt-manager don't want to connect to Xen hypervisor. It claims, that xend might not be runnig, but it's not true! |
| 12:01.46 | liable | toolz: mount /dev/sdb1 /foo |
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| 12:04.24 | dutchfish | philozopher, you have to setup webinterface for xen to use that and the dom0 of the xen machine MUST be in the same subnet as from the machine you want to use virtmanager of |
| 12:04.24 | dutchfish | philozopher, you have to setup webinterface for xen to use that and the dom0 of the xen machine MUST be in the same subnet as from the machine you want to use virtmanager of |
| 12:04.24 | dakylla | how can i debianize a package source please ? |
| 12:04.24 | toolz | liable hmm not sure f its sdb1 |
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| 12:04.25 | toolz | i mean the last msg is sdb: sdb1 [sdb] attached scs removable disk |
| 12:04.25 | toolz | tryed sdb/sdb1 but nothing |
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| 12:05.02 | liable | toolz: mount doesnt give output if it succeeds |
| 12:05.07 | liable | toolz: ls foo |
| 12:05.24 | philozopher | dutchfish: Yes I added a line to xen configuration file: something with like (network-bridge). Does it setup a network? |
| 12:05.40 | dutchfish | philozopher, no |
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| 12:05.55 | toolz | liable it does: mount: monting /dev/sdb on /foo failed no such file or directory |
| 12:05.56 | dutchfish | philozopher, you need the control interface through web |
| 12:06.02 | toolz | though foo is created |
| 12:06.06 | liable | toolz: sdb1 |
| 12:06.12 | dutchfish | philozopher, that has noting to do with xen's net setup |
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| 12:06.15 | toolz | same |
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| 12:06.17 | knoxy | hi all.. How can I do to change the timezone in debian? |
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| 12:06.45 | dutchfish | philozopher, its in virtmanager docs how to do it |
| 12:06.48 | liable | toolz: mkdir /foo |
| 12:06.53 | liable | try again |
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| 12:07.20 | toolz | exists.. |
| 12:07.22 | philozopher | dutchfish: Thanks. |
| 12:07.45 | robyonrails | hi guys.. how can I discover where a package is stored (sources..) ? |
| 12:07.53 | rprettyman1 | dakylla: make-kpkg |
| 12:07.53 | Meta | Is there any way for me to get not so old packages in Etchnhalf? All the packages are soooo old and it's stopping me from installing flash player. |
| 12:08.15 | rprettyman1 | robyonrails: whereis x |
| 12:08.32 | dakylla | rprettyman1, ios not that for kerb=nel only ? |
| 12:08.33 | dutchfish | philozopher, http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/faq.html |
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| 12:09.08 | dakylla | i have jack auduio source package and i would like to create a .deb out of it |
| 12:09.33 | dutchfish | Meta, 64 bit? |
| 12:09.39 | Meta | dutchfish: 32bit |
| 12:09.54 | dutchfish | Meta, use gnash, its the only one i got working |
| 12:09.54 | toolz | sdb sdb1 exist in /dev/ |
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| 12:10.00 | toolz | though I keep getting that... |
| 12:10.03 | rprettyman1 | dakylla: your right, ./configure; make; checkinstall |
| 12:10.07 | Meta | dutchfish: Huh? |
| 12:10.10 | rprettyman1 | dakylla: ? |
| 12:10.11 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:10.12 | Posterdati | please help |
| 12:10.15 | dakylla | yes$ |
| 12:10.16 | robyonrails | <rprettyman1> robyonrails: whereis x <-- thanks |
| 12:10.28 | dakylla | rprettyman1: gonna try that |
| 12:10.30 | dakylla | thx |
| 12:10.31 | dutchfish | Meta, for 64bit /msg dpkg beta64flash |
| 12:10.34 | Posterdati | my box freezes during activating swap phase (lenny i686) |
| 12:10.41 | Meta | I odn't have 64 bit, I'm using 32 bit. |
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| 12:10.44 | Meta | *don't |
| 12:10.50 | Meta | What I truly want is newer packages. |
| 12:11.01 | toolz | liable any idea..? |
| 12:11.04 | knoxy | when I adjust my time with "ntpdate ntp.unesp.br", the hour is incorrect.. The timezone is correct and this incorrect information continues.. How can I do to get the correct time of ntp server? |
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| 12:11.21 | liable | toolz: sec |
| 12:11.34 | rprettyman1 | dakylla: also you can get the deb source, with apt-get source packagex |
| 12:11.38 | dutchfish | knoxy, netq -p ? |
| 12:11.51 | dutchfish | knoxy, ntpq -p err |
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| 12:12.07 | dakylla | teh last version is not avaible yet on the debian repositories |
| 12:12.18 | Posterdati | my box freezes during activating swap phase (lenny i686) |
| 12:12.23 | knoxy | dutchfish: netq? |
| 12:12.37 | dutchfish | knoxy, no, my mistake ntpq -p |
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| 12:12.45 | moldy | hi. i am trying to use use dpatch-edit-patch to create a simple patch. it does not seem to work. i get this message: make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'. Stop. |
| 12:13.21 | rprettyman1 | dakylla: make sure you get checkinstall first http://packages.debian.org/testing/checkinstall |
| 12:13.36 | dakylla | rprettyman1: ;) |
| 12:14.25 | dutchfish | knoxy, if that output is ok run tzconfig and correct timezone |
| 12:14.34 | liable | toolz: i am not sure whther to believe you anymore. i just booted the installer and i have the pata-marvell module.. |
| 12:14.59 | toolz | liable do you want to take my camera and make a movie.. I am not kidding |
| 12:15.11 | toolz | tryed the cd you told me and the module is NOT there .. |
| 12:15.29 | rprettyman1 | toolz: did you use a third party to get your iso, did you do a md5sum on it? |
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| 12:15.36 | eptalon | heyas |
| 12:15.48 | toolz | rprettyman I used the link liable told me |
| 12:15.52 | toolz | just burned a cd |
| 12:15.56 | eptalon | what package in debian sid will give me a standard latex environment? |
| 12:15.57 | toolz | that .iso |
| 12:16.18 | rprettyman1 | toolz: what are you installing on? |
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| 12:16.38 | toolz | on what machine I am installing? |
| 12:16.58 | rprettyman1 | toolz:yes is it a custom or does it have a make and model |
| 12:17.11 | Posterdati | please help my box freezes during activating swap phase (lenny i686) |
| 12:17.41 | toolz | rprettyman custom |
| 12:17.55 | dutchfish | liable, what tools you use to report bugs, reportbug is giving me a hard time because of port 25 block? |
| 12:17.56 | toolz | core 2 quad q9550, 8gb ram, p5q motherboard |
| 12:18.02 | rprettyman1 | toolz: do you know what kind of sata bridge it is |
| 12:18.10 | liable | toolz: well, *everything* i look at, points to that module being available. i am however looking at a i386 installer. but, as i just gave you the link to the amd64 udeb containing the module, i have no idea what to think.. |
| 12:18.12 | toolz | where can I see that |
| 12:18.21 | eptalon | Posterdati: How much RAM do you have? |
| 12:18.34 | toolz | liable maybe an error or something here? which cannot put that module? |
| 12:18.36 | Posterdati | eptalon: this box worked until now: 1GB |
| 12:18.41 | rprettyman1 | toolz:it would be in your motherboards book, also knowing the front end bust might help |
| 12:18.44 | toolz | I swear I am not kidding it isnt there |
| 12:18.54 | rprettyman1 | toolz:try typing dmesg |
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| 12:19.02 | Meta | I want newer packages... help? |
| 12:19.11 | eptalon | Posterdati: Should be fine, the partitions you are swapping on have type "linux swap"? |
| 12:19.11 | rprettyman1 | Meta:Ubuntu lol |
| 12:19.20 | Meta | rprettyman1: I just moved from there |
| 12:19.20 | toolz | can I dmesg > dmesg.log and read in that file? |
| 12:19.23 | eptalon | Meta: newer than? |
| 12:19.37 | toolz | how can I see whats in that file after I do it? :D |
| 12:19.40 | Meta | eptalon: Newer than the ones included in Etchnhalf... 40r4 I think it is. |
| 12:19.49 | Meta | It's still using GAIM, come on. |
| 12:19.51 | eptalon | Meta: go for sid? |
| 12:20.01 | rprettyman1 | Meta: Debian is stable, stable is usual a little behind bleeding edge, but you can try testing or unstable, your want to change that in your /etc/apt/souce.list |
| 12:20.01 | Meta | Isn't Sid unstable? |
| 12:20.06 | dutchfish | toolz, <editor> dmesg.log ? |
| 12:20.17 | liable | toolz: are you sure you checked the right directory? |
| 12:20.19 | eptalon | Meta: yes, but it works fine here. |
| 12:20.21 | toolz | dutchfish what editor is availabe on netinstall on that terminall |
| 12:20.23 | Meta | rprettyman1: Can you give me a mirror for testing? |
| 12:20.24 | rprettyman1 | meta: replace etch or lenny with what your whilling to try |
| 12:20.26 | toolz | liable yes I am |
| 12:20.30 | toolz | the one you told me |
| 12:20.31 | dutchfish | toolz, vi or nano? |
| 12:20.33 | Meta | Okies. |
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| 12:20.44 | rprettyman1 | meta: the normal mirrors work for testing, just change etch to testing |
| 12:20.56 | rprettyman1 | toolz: vi |
| 12:21.18 | Meta | Ty |
| 12:21.36 | schbirid | hi, my debian lenny has become very segfault happy since yesterday. the terminal (xfce4-terminal) especially, but also eg. opera and virtualbox. has anyone else similar experiences? |
| 12:21.41 | Posterdati | eptalon: the system worked for 1 year until now after last update yesterday |
| 12:21.47 | rprettyman1 | meta: n/p make sure you do a apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:21.56 | Meta | rprettyman1: Did so |
| 12:22.11 | Meta | I'm doing apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade |
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| 12:23.09 | eptalon | Posterdati: Can you rule out hardware issue (ie- no "Drive ready seek coplete" errors? |
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| 12:24.33 | Posterdati | eptalon: no hw errors |
| 12:24.51 | eptalon | Works fine without swap? |
| 12:24.51 | schbirid | http://pastebin.com/d7001b561 |
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| 12:25.36 | Posterdati | eptalon: now rebooted fine |
| 12:26.04 | Posterdati | eptalon: doing "dmesg" to see |
| 12:26.23 | toolz | nothing wrong in that dmesg I see no errors |
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| 12:26.58 | rprettyman1 | toolz: is this close ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131296 |
| 12:26.59 | toolz | what the heck I spent 1000$+ on this machine and I cant install what I need on it |
| 12:26.59 | toolz | lol |
| 12:27.54 | rprettyman1 | toolz: are you trying to install etch? |
| 12:27.54 | Posterdati | eptalon: no errors of any type |
| 12:28.05 | eptalon | Posterdati: so, problem solved? |
| 12:28.11 | toolz | rprettyman1 tryed lenny as liable told me |
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| 12:28.18 | toolz | etchnhalf too |
| 12:28.21 | toolz | amd64 |
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| 12:28.45 | rprettyman1 | toolz: do you have a live distro that you works on your rig? |
| 12:28.54 | Posterdati | eptalon: dunno, apt-get dist-upgrade reinstalled kernel and initramfs file :) |
| 12:28.56 | rprettyman1 | *know |
| 12:29.06 | toolz | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131295 |
| 12:29.07 | toolz | this one |
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| 12:29.49 | mutante | is there a terminal that works like "nutty" on Windows? (nutty is like putty, but hyperlinks become clickable to be openend in the browser, i use it instead of putty when on windows, because then i can click links i see in irssi / IRC and they open in Firefox |
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| 12:30.05 | mutante | how would i get the same, when in Debian, using xterm or xfceterm |
| 12:31.00 | eptalon | what did I miss? |
| 12:31.14 | rprettyman1 | toolz: did you disable Drive Xpert in the bios |
| 12:31.32 | schbirid | mutante: xfce's terminal does it for me (rightclick->open link, maybe you can make leftclick work somewhere) |
| 12:31.40 | toolz | rprettyman1 I disabled only EXPRESS GATEWAY |
| 12:31.42 | toolz | thats all |
| 12:31.59 | rprettyman1 | toolz: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=709&l4=0&model=2164&modelmenu=1 |
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| 12:32.29 | philozopher | rprettyman: It's terrible. Xen kernel uses only one core of my processor now. My laptop fans are on their full power. |
| 12:32.31 | rprettyman1 | toolz: i could see the Drive Xpert feature causing trouble in linux |
| 12:32.37 | toolz | that one yes |
| 12:32.43 | mutante | schbirid: thanks , trying |
| 12:33.12 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: have you tried recompiling the kernel with the xen config and patches but with dual cores enabled (also the right memory range set) |
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| 12:33.41 | mutante | schbirid: ok, cool, it does work, i was just used to doubleclick, thats all ;) |
| 12:34.00 | schbirid | :) |
| 12:34.14 | philozopher | rprettyman1: no. I am a beginner. :) |
| 12:34.31 | eptalon | philozopher: tried virtualbox? |
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| 12:34.48 | eptalon | philozopher: but I dont know if that uses multiple cores.. |
| 12:35.13 | philozopher | eptalon: yes, but I wanted to try Xen. |
| 12:35.49 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: oh, well it takes awhile, but its a nice experience, its menu driven and their are several good guides |
| 12:35.57 | eptalon | philozopher: Other than the problem mentione,d do oyu like xen? |
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| 12:36.33 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: you might want to switch back to the i686 kernel and get the kernel source and kernel headers associated with that, and install vmware server or virtualbox or both |
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| 12:37.36 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: kernel http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian VMWare Virtualization http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_vmware_server_howto (not exact but close enough) |
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| 12:38.41 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: also if you haven't seen it yet, this can help http://www.google.com/linux |
| 12:38.42 | philozopher | eptalon: I wanted Xen, because I have a hope that the guest have access to real hardware, e. g. built-in video camera. |
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| 12:39.01 | eptalon | philozopher: oh. |
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| 12:39.18 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: VMWare server, can have direct access to memory and usb, so can VirtualBox. |
| 12:39.55 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: they both require you to have the source so they can in a since make their own version of the Xen, with their own specific Kernel Modules |
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| 12:42.21 | mutante | there is also VMWare ESXi as "free beer" now, and it has its own OS built-in, so running native, and should use the dual cores |
| 12:42.52 | schbirid | alright, the terminal is segfaulting like every 5 minutes now. how can i investigate on the problem? |
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| 12:43.07 | liable | toolz: ok, i apologise, i dont see the module in the amd64 iso (i just extracted it) |
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| 12:45.03 | bit0 | hello |
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| 12:45.58 | toolz | liable and how do I fix it |
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| 12:46.29 | dutchfish | want to know if someone discovered the same: gnu-utils and util-linux provide both cfdisk, there is no mutual exclusive atm? lenny amd64 latest, i just hosed up a system with cfdisk.... |
| 12:46.36 | liable | toolz: i am downloading the 386 iso now to be certain it is in that initrd. gimme 5 |
| 12:47.02 | toolz | thanks |
| 12:47.14 | philozopher | OH, it's interesting Xen kernel uses the cores exclusively. Once CPU1, once CPU2. |
| 12:48.01 | dutchfish | philozopher, its configurable depending on how xen is compiled and configured on SMP systems, starting from 3.03 |
| 12:48.04 | philozopher | I think I was wrong last time, saying about using one core. |
| 12:48.57 | liable | toolz: it doesnt. now i am very fucking confused.. |
| 12:49.06 | dutchfish | philozopher, i dont you dare to mix up vcores with real cores ;) |
| 12:49.08 | rprettyman1 | philozopher: if you haven't yet, might give this a read for more insight about Xen ttp://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-0a539c0b540b1e563d5b0f39dad4eb18034f8cee |
| 12:49.14 | rprettyman1 | http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-0a539c0b540b1e563d5b0f39dad4eb18034f8cee |
| 12:49.16 | liable | toolz: back to mounting your usb stick.. |
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| 12:49.55 | philozopher | But my notebook fans. Do you have any idea why they are so noisy? |
| 12:50.09 | philozopher | rprettyman: THX |
| 12:50.38 | liable | toolz: wait, i was looking at the business card iso, i just want to check the netinst first.. |
| 12:52.17 | philozopher | Might it be because Xen not supporting ACPI? |
| 12:52.21 | liable | toolz: will be 5 mins till it downloads.. |
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| 12:54.13 | toolz | k |
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| 12:59.41 | liable | toolz: meh, it doesnt either. this blows.. |
| 13:00.52 | toolz | :/ |
| 13:01.03 | liable | toolz: you can try the usb-install which should work, or you can try an installer that i build for the eeepc team. i know it has the module, but its a usb stick installer anyway.. unfortunately, its on i386 though |
| 13:01.47 | liable | toolz: try the official usb installer. i bet that works for you |
| 13:02.04 | toolz | link? |
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| 13:02.46 | liable | for the official usb installer? or the eee one? |
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| 13:08.49 | Kbyte | hi! I must build some x86_64 packages for etch from a X86 machine. How I can set a cross compiling chroot? |
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| 13:09.49 | liable | toolz: ? |
| 13:11.32 | toolz | yes |
| 13:11.46 | toolz | one which works |
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| 13:12.37 | liable | toolz: can you live with installing 386? |
| 13:12.57 | toolz | can I install amd after? |
| 13:13.10 | toolz | using linux-image or? |
| 13:13.17 | liable | not 64bit, but you can install a 64bit kernel |
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| 13:13.36 | toolz | will it see 8gb of ram? |
| 13:13.40 | toolz | i386? |
| 13:13.50 | liable | yes, there is a big-mem kernel |
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| 13:14.07 | toolz | i heard bigmem is not ok |
| 13:14.17 | liable | why? |
| 13:14.24 | Posterdati | eptalon: dunno, apt-get dist-upgrade reinstalled kernel and initramfs file :) |
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| 13:15.20 | liable | toolz: you can try the usb install. it *should* work |
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| 13:16.16 | liable | toolz: i am trying to see why d-i doesnt have the module (asking the d-i guys) but the solution if its a bug will be a while |
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| 13:17.48 | liable | toolz: indeed, its a bug |
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| 13:18.07 | liable | 2:16 < cjwatson> * Add pata-modules on cdrom images (i386 and amd64) to enable support |
| 13:18.08 | moldy | hi |
| 13:18.11 | liable | 22:16 < cjwatson> for Marvell controllers and others. |
| 13:18.14 | moldy | stew: ping :) |
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| 13:19.22 | dutchfish | liable, 2nd, naming comvention has been changed in newer perknels for pata, 3th some like the marvel need to have it compiled in, not as module |
| 13:19.23 | liable | toolz: well, not a bug, but not supported yet.. |
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| 13:19.51 | dutchfish | s/perknels/kernels |
| 13:20.00 | stoned | thats one fucked up typo |
| 13:20.05 | stoned | how did you manage that? |
| 13:20.06 | dutchfish | yep |
| 13:20.26 | dutchfish | stoned, i am happy i can still use my fingers at the moment |
| 13:20.31 | stoned | lol |
| 13:20.32 | liable | dutchfish: you are missing the very important point that i have been getting at. and that is that the module is not in the image.. |
| 13:20.36 | stoned | you should go to sleep |
| 13:20.37 | stoned | ! |
| 13:20.52 | dutchfish | liable, yes, i got that |
| 13:20.52 | stoned | i dunno wtf i woke up im going back to bed |
| 13:21.13 | dutchfish | liable, i tried to find out why |
| 13:21.28 | simonrvn | s/3th/3rd/ |
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| 13:22.35 | liable | toolz: so before i fall drunkenly off my chair, what is your choice? |
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| 13:23.43 | philozopher | What do you think about QEMU? |
| 13:24.02 | dutchfish | liable, the story goes back to here, i cant catchup further: https://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git-commits-head/2008/9/8/3234554 |
| 13:24.39 | liable | dutchfish: no, the story goes to the point that the module is not included in the iso initrd of d-i.. |
| 13:25.03 | dutchfish | liable, ok, then ... but it has a reason probably |
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| 13:25.35 | liable | dutchfish: sure, but the fact is that d-i doesnt atm support it, wheras it should |
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| 13:25.55 | simonrvn | i keep seeing nicks that used to come here a long time ago |
| 13:26.12 | dutchfish | liable, and if it cant? i mean if it is hosed up so badly? 9the driver itself relating to 2.6.26)? |
| 13:26.21 | youngpro | is it possible to do custom log levels with syslogd, i want to send some iptables to a specific log but not involve them in other log levels |
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| 13:26.40 | liable | dutchfish: no. see my previous message that i pasted from cjwatson |
| 13:26.48 | simonrvn | youngpro: yes. LOCAL.* |
| 13:26.57 | dutchfish | liable, ok, thanks |
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| 13:27.42 | youngpro | okay simon, can iptables pipe this okay? |
| 13:28.33 | liable | fuck me. the weasel just made looking at a kernaltrap thread stupidly insane |
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| 13:28.53 | liable | what the fuck is wrong with mozilla and this stupid cca shit? |
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| 13:29.52 | liable | its like making me belive that US credit agencies actaully tell the truth when the rate a company.. |
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| 13:30.42 | simonrvn | youngpro: i've done it with syslog-ng, i'm sure you can do it with others. google for it. |
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| 13:31.15 | youngpro | yeah ive had not alot of luck googling, thats why im here |
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| 13:31.48 | dutchfish | youngpro, you can do that with something like iptables -I OUTPUT -j LOG --log-level crit -p tcp --dport 22 |
| 13:32.09 | dutchfish | youngpro, ask #iptables |
| 13:32.15 | youngpro | mm okay |
| 13:32.24 | moldy | is there any working documentation on how to apply a simple patch to a debian package using dpatch? |
| 13:32.32 | moldy | none of the documentation i can find seems to work |
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| 13:33.11 | dutchfish | liable, what you mean with cca? i have no problems with iceweasel |
| 13:33.38 | moldy | a simple "dpatch-edit-patch foo", which should work according to the manpage and various websites, results in an error from make |
| 13:34.10 | liable | dutchfish: i just visited the link you gave above, it made me click to agree about kerneltrap not having a trusted certificate, and then again for something else.. |
| 13:34.25 | dutchfish | liable, huh???? |
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| 13:34.53 | dutchfish | liable, maybe old cache and they have updated there ssl-cert? |
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| 13:35.13 | dutchfish | liable, check accepted ssl-keys |
| 13:35.15 | liable | dutchfish: dunno, its very annoying though |
| 13:35.29 | dutchfish | liable, yes, sure |
| 13:35.33 | x1250 | moldy, "an error" is like saying " " |
| 13:35.45 | moldy | x1250: it's missing a rule for "unpatch" |
| 13:35.58 | moldy | x1250: make: *** No rule to make target `unpatch'. Stop. |
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| 13:37.19 | liable | toolz: hmm? |
| 13:37.25 | toolz | liable escuse me |
| 13:37.27 | toolz | excuse |
| 13:37.29 | toolz | I was a bit afk |
| 13:37.49 | toolz | liable do you suggest that i386 bigmem which will work? |
| 13:37.59 | x1250 | moldy, your rules files has the line: include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make ? |
| 13:38.09 | liable | toolz: do you have a real need for a 64 bit os? |
| 13:38.11 | moldy | x1250: no. trying this, thanks. |
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| 13:38.31 | dutchfish | liable, ah i see now whats going on, its only partly encrypted (the adds not) i filter them anyway, so for me its no issue |
| 13:38.55 | toolz | liable depends, whats the difference? |
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| 13:39.11 | moldy | x1250: that looks good. thanks. that piece was missing from all of the documentation i read :) |
| 13:39.20 | toolz | will i386 64bit see all 8gb of ram and actually use it all when needed? |
| 13:39.30 | liable | toolz: yes |
| 13:39.54 | x1250 | moldy, great it worked. |
| 13:40.02 | liable | toolz: if you dont know you need 64bit, you generally dont |
| 13:40.15 | toolz | liable, is it faster? |
| 13:40.18 | toolz | I need something very fast |
| 13:40.40 | dutchfish | toolz, on math vrunching its faster, generally no |
| 13:40.49 | dutchfish | s/vruncing/crunching |
| 13:41.08 | liable | toolz: only if you for example edit video, or if you are a scientist modelling the end of the earth.. ;) |
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| 13:41.36 | S-i-A | how can i change the firest reading file name in root/ directory instate index.html to Home.html? |
| 13:42.06 | zamuro | Modifying DocumentRoot on your httpd.conf |
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| 13:42.44 | S-i-A | zamuro: the http.con in apache2 ? |
| 13:42.48 | zamuro | I mean, DirectoryIndex |
| 13:42.57 | dutchfish | S-i-A, alter /etc/apache2/sites-available/[your site] (debian way) |
| 13:43.11 | S-i-A | ok thanks |
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| 13:46.28 | dutchfish | liable, link to the git with the same issue: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=5b66c829bf5c65663b2f68ee6b42f6e834cd39cd |
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| 13:48.43 | toolz | liable |
| 13:49.09 | toolz | give me something that works and sees/uses all my memory 8gb ram |
| 13:49.26 | toolz | 32 bit 64 bit, whatever, I just want it done faster! :) |
| 13:49.50 | dutchfish | toolz, what you want to do with the system in general? |
| 13:49.59 | liable | toolz: can you use dd? |
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| 13:51.47 | Xjs | toolz: how about this program: http://nopaste.com/p/aYm82oonZ - compile it, run it with a size in MB it shall allocate |
| 13:51.56 | toolz | I will host counter-strike servers |
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| 13:52.51 | toolz | I wont use video or anything else it will only run counter-strike servers, thats all |
| 13:53.14 | dutchfish | toolz, so that boils down to a lot of disk i/o and db-work |
| 13:53.23 | liable | toolz: http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/images/debian-eeepc.img that will work. you need to dd it to a usb stick. you will also need to remove the eeepc repo from sources.list |
| 13:53.25 | Xjs | I was once told that a faster-clocked kernel is important for CS servers |
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| 13:54.46 | kd8ikt | and disabling hyperthreading IIRC |
| 13:54.47 | toolz | liable what kernel is that one |
| 13:54.56 | liable | toolz: 26 |
| 13:55.00 | kd8ikt | a custom built one |
| 13:55.05 | toolz | Xjs, no idea I need faster kernel |
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| 13:55.26 | kd8ikt | also wicked bandwidth |
| 13:55.43 | fules67 | sziasztok |
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| 13:56.00 | dutchfish | toolz, i bet thats alot of number crunching and disk i/o so, i would try 64bit |
| 13:56.21 | Xjs | There are 64-bit CS server applications I think |
| 13:56.23 | toolz | yeah it is.. indeed a lot of disk and thingie |
| 13:56.31 | toolz | but the problem here |
| 13:56.35 | toolz | is I cannot install it |
| 13:56.37 | Xjs | A friend of mine is running "hlds" on an amd64 machine |
| 13:56.45 | toolz | my dvd-rw is not recognised by install cds |
| 13:56.55 | liable | dutchfish: wtf does disk io have to do with 64bit? |
| 13:57.13 | sackhacker | Has anyone of you a ThinkPad T500 with debian? |
| 13:57.13 | dutchfish | liable, no, i said number crunching |
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| 13:58.01 | liable | dutchfish: and you think counterstrike servers are number crunchers? |
| 13:58.01 | dutchfish | liable, and i dont "wtf", 2nd: he needs fast disks hardware-rad preferred |
| 13:58.33 | dutchfish | liable, the db-backend will |
| 13:58.37 | liable | he needs memory and fast diks, yes. not processing power.. |
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| 13:58.51 | DevilChaos | hey |
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| 13:59.17 | toolz | liable, is that i386-bigmem? |
| 13:59.20 | toolz | what you gave me? |
| 13:59.37 | DevilChaos | would like some help with network storage please ? |
| 13:59.40 | dutchfish | liable, worst case, 64 bit will be as fast as 32 bit, but i think it will have improved performance ... alot |
| 13:59.46 | liable | toolz: you can install a 686-bigmem kernel with apt |
| 14:00.09 | toolz | ok |
| 14:00.13 | toolz | I will burn that now |
| 14:00.14 | liable | dutchfish: and why would it be improved? |
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| 14:00.32 | liable | other than using more meory? |
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| 14:01.09 | dutchfish | liable, db-access when large mem comes into play, performance of querying the db, cahed searches and so on |
| 14:01.10 | sackhacker | I like to buy a new laptop. I see the Lenovo Thinkpad T500 with ati - intel dynamic connected. I like to know if debian runs on that combination. |
| 14:01.42 | toolz | dutchfish, there are no dbs for cs servers |
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| 14:01.45 | toolz | like mysql and stuff |
| 14:01.57 | toolz | only logs.. and thats it |
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| 14:02.01 | toolz | it stores logs |
| 14:02.09 | dutchfish | toolz, if os, then go 32bit |
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| 14:02.16 | dutchfish | s/os/so |
| 14:02.21 | toolz | k |
| 14:02.21 | liable | toolz: you dont need 64bit |
| 14:02.29 | toolz | I am downloading that image liable |
| 14:02.30 | kd8ikt | sackhacker: ati sucks |
| 14:03.13 | sackhacker | yes, i know but it's the only combination i see that has a cheap price |
| 14:03.19 | Gigantic | Once I boot up I have to make two diferent users to execute a certain program, none of them have passwd so I have to su - from root |
| 14:03.20 | Xjs | sackhacker: buy a MacBook Pro and install Debian ;-) |
| 14:03.30 | Gigantic | any suggestion on how to automate that? |
| 14:03.44 | sackhacker | and what should that mac book cost? |
| 14:03.56 | Gigantic | I heard it's about 14k |
| 14:03.57 | dutchfish | sackhacker, what ati? check this: http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 14:04.16 | Gigantic | apple = fail imo |
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| 14:04.20 | Gigantic | ducks |
| 14:04.32 | DevilChaos | someone advise me on network attached storage please? |
| 14:04.44 | Xjs | Gigantic: a program with +s that is owned by root, forks, does setuid to the wished users and executes code |
| 14:04.57 | dutchfish | !tell DevilChaos about ask |
| 14:05.05 | Xjs | Gigantic: says the MacBook Pro user |
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| 14:05.11 | Akuw | Hi |
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| 14:05.42 | Akuw | i having problems with Flash animation display in Mozilla, but i installed Plugin |
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| 14:05.58 | Akuw | the iceweasel is asking for pluging |
| 14:06.13 | Gigantic | Xjs: I'd have to setuid two files from my shell... |
| 14:06.41 | Gigantic | Xjs: and apple overprice stuff |
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| 14:06.58 | Xjs | Gigantic: why? Just setuid one program to root that calls the two others after dropping privileges |
| 14:07.26 | DevilChaos | \eixt |
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| 14:07.45 | Gigantic | Xjs: trying to figure out how... |
| 14:08.11 | liable | damn, missed a typosmite! |
| 14:08.38 | dutchfish | :) |
| 14:09.27 | Gigantic | user A execute x, user B execute y, only root can login as A or B, and user C must be able to start the whole process... |
| 14:10.17 | x1250 | ok, then I'm batman. |
| 14:10.33 | Gigantic | x1250: No you are not! |
| 14:10.36 | Gigantic | that is me |
| 14:10.49 | Xjs | Gigantic: something like http://nopaste.com/p/al3sIpNfi |
| 14:10.59 | Xjs | that setuid'ed to root |
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| 14:11.14 | Xjs | think that should work |
| 14:11.23 | x1250 | Gigantic, you're the riddler, sorry :P |
| 14:11.31 | kd8ikt | ironman > batweenus |
| 14:11.51 | kd8ikt | but enough offtopic BS |
| 14:12.14 | Gigantic | Xjs: oh wow, that's quite neat :D |
| 14:12.18 | Gigantic | ty |
| 14:12.21 | Xjs | np |
| 14:12.32 | Xjs | that's just hacked down, don't complain if it doesn't work ;-) |
| 14:12.50 | Xjs | but it should, except I'm totally powered down |
| 14:12.53 | ElDiabolo | In debian lenny the raid1 in rebuild is not really running in the background. Where/for which package is this bug best reported? |
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| 14:13.00 | Gigantic | Xjs: I have to figure out how to read it still anyways :) |
| 14:13.12 | hanibana | hi :) |
| 14:13.35 | Xjs | there are some variables, that is UID_OF_USER1, /path/to/program1, etc |
| 14:13.44 | Gigantic | yeah, kidin |
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| 14:14.19 | Xjs | I mean, variables logically speaking, not C variables ;-) |
| 14:14.45 | Xjs | you might perhaps even #define them and reuse the program if necessary |
| 14:15.03 | youngpro | simonrvn, thank syslog-ng is very nice |
| 14:15.04 | kamathln | Just notifying: : Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 14:15.07 | youngpro | im all sorted with that now |
| 14:15.12 | toolz | liable |
| 14:15.16 | toolz | that cd is not even booting |
| 14:15.25 | hanibana | I have a local Debian etch mirror. When installing debian and selecting the Standard option, it gets me the error about Untrusted packages and a yes/no option. But, Its in bachground does NOT here my "yes" to continue... |
| 14:15.30 | Gigantic | Xjs: aye |
| 14:15.48 | liable | toolz: what cd are you talking about? |
| 14:16.01 | hanibana | In other side, I know that apt-get has an --allow-unauthenticated option |
| 14:16.13 | hanibana | to by pass this yes/no. |
| 14:16.16 | simonrvn | youngpro: there's a couple that are pretty sweet. i haven't played with it much but rsyslogd seems pretty good too. |
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| 14:16.21 | toolz | [15:53:19] <liable> toolz: http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/images/debian-eeepc.img |
| 14:16.27 | liable | toolz: the eeepc image i gave you was for a usb stick |
| 14:16.28 | toolz | ah damn I need to put it on a stick? |
| 14:16.30 | G__81 | i ve a small problem with my debian system |
| 14:16.31 | G__81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.31 | G__81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.31 | G__81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.31 | G__81 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:16.37 | kamathln | Is a Hash Sum Mismatch from http.us.debian.org for experimental a serious siddue |
| 14:16.37 | hanibana | Can I use some thing like this when doing Debian installation ? |
| 14:16.40 | toolz | liable can I do it without a stick? |
| 14:16.40 | kamathln | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:17.16 | liable | toolz: you said you had one handy? |
| 14:17.19 | toolz | I do |
| 14:17.21 | toolz | I will do it |
| 14:17.24 | liable | so? |
| 14:17.27 | hanibana | any experience? |
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| 14:18.03 | toolz | liable, and how do I put the image on the stick I need to put the content of the image on the stick?:) |
| 14:18.05 | liable | toolz: you need to dd it to the stick. |
| 14:18.13 | Xjs | hanibana: try downloading it again and check if the sums still don't match |
| 14:18.16 | toolz | dd? |
| 14:18.18 | liable | toolz: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 14:18.29 | Xjs | hanibana: a hash sum mismatch usually means an error in the file (downloaded) |
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| 14:18.42 | hanibana | Xjs: thanks, |
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| 14:18.50 | liable | toolz: see the bit on how to get it on the stick |
| 14:18.50 | hanibana | first, I correct that |
| 14:19.01 | hanibana | it is a warning no an error. |
| 14:19.17 | aidan | Hi, How can I install Arial Unicode MS on debian? |
| 14:19.20 | Xjs | hanibana: That was most likely a transmission error - download over an unstable internet connection or foobar |
| 14:19.34 | kamathln | is interested in a debianized eee .. starts watching toolz' blog |
| 14:19.38 | liable | toolz: do you have a linux box to use to dd it? |
| 14:19.58 | hanibana | Xjs: no, the mirror is in my local network. |
| 14:20.10 | toolz | liable windows |
| 14:20.19 | Xjs | hanibana: hm, check if the mirror actually has the correct file (or checksum), try another one |
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| 14:20.25 | hanibana | actually, I think there is a problem in mirror sums itself. |
| 14:20.43 | liable | toolz: there is a link for dd for windows |
| 14:20.55 | liable | toolz: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install#head-ef5d38f1b349f697fbdc54de64e3e070b6e2144c |
| 14:20.58 | toolz | k |
| 14:20.59 | toolz | got it |
| 14:21.12 | themill | aidan: /msg dpkg msttcorefonts or /msg dpkg install font |
| 14:21.16 | craigevil | if you manage to dd the debianeeepc using windows can you update the wiki, the command there now doesnt seem to work |
| 14:21.24 | dutchfish | hanibana, no, nut you can check it: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 14:21.34 | dutchfish | s/nut/but |
| 14:21.38 | liable | craigevil: oh? |
| 14:21.52 | toolz | liable that link is not working |
| 14:22.15 | craigevil | no krazykit and i tried to walk someone thru it yesterday even the info on the dd site didnt help |
| 14:22.21 | hanibana | Xjs: the mirror is not mine. It's of my administerator. |
| 14:22.25 | hanibana | Xjs: for now |
| 14:22.28 | liable | toolz: your client must have truvated it.. |
| 14:22.33 | hanibana | I just like to know |
| 14:22.33 | craigevil | so either the info is wrong or the poor kid just wasnt doing it correct |
| 14:22.45 | Xjs | hanibana: well, compare the checksums on another mirror than your local one, and the files itself |
| 14:22.47 | shiloh7 | after some heavy research and reading, im thinking unstable would be good, can you do a net install on sid? |
| 14:22.52 | hanibana | is there any solution to bypass this warning when installation ? |
| 14:22.52 | liable | toolz: just scroll down from the first link to it i gave you |
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| 14:23.12 | dutchfish | hanibana, or wait a bit |
| 14:23.15 | liable | craigevil: you say the windows dd desnt work? |
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| 14:23.27 | themill | dpkg: tell shiloh7 about install sid |
| 14:23.46 | aidan | how do I install a contrib? |
| 14:24.00 | craigevil | liable: no, either he wasnt doing it right or the command just isnt correct , we even tried several ways following the windows dd page |
| 14:24.03 | nsadmin | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:24.40 | liable | craigevil: so you tried it, and it failed? |
| 14:25.05 | toolz | ok I got it |
| 14:25.11 | toolz | but how do I use that thing |
| 14:25.19 | craigevil | liable: i dont have windows so i cant try it, he tried using the command on the wiki and several others following the info on the dd page, nothing work I think he was doing it wrong |
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| 14:26.10 | toolz | I used: dd if=debian-eeepc.img od=F: |
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| 14:26.16 | toolz | as F is my stick |
| 14:26.20 | toolz | but nothing happens |
| 14:26.40 | liable | od? |
| 14:26.43 | liable | of |
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| 14:27.12 | kamathln | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 14:27.25 | shiloh7 | dpkg a bot? |
| 14:27.26 | dpkg | shiloh7: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:27.30 | toolz | liable nothing |
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| 14:27.41 | shiloh7 | i assume? |
| 14:28.10 | nsadmin | !bpt |
| 14:28.17 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 14:28.17 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 14:28.18 | kamathln | IS this dangerous .. now sid started to fail too Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 14:28.34 | liable | toolz: i am not a windows person, so getting the thing onto your stick via windows, i cant really help with :( |
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| 14:29.18 | dutchfish | toolz, you can do with nero (image writing) or the like |
| 14:29.27 | toolz | dd if=debian-eeepc.img od=X: and I use dd if=debian-eeepc.img od=F: |
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| 14:29.38 | toolz | tryed with of instead of od aswell |
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| 14:30.06 | dutchfish | toolz, you stick must not be mounted while doing that |
| 14:30.18 | toolz | I am on windows with the stick |
| 14:30.31 | toolz | wtf it is plugged and recognised as drive F |
| 14:30.34 | craigevil | toolz: try something like dd if=c:\temp\disk1.img of=\\.\x: where c is the location of the img and x is your usb drive |
| 14:30.45 | toolz | ok |
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| 14:32.09 | kamathln | a simple google took me here .. HTH http://damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/Imprinting_Bootable_Images_to_USB_Devices_(Windows) |
| 14:32.17 | toolz | I tryed with locations |
| 14:32.18 | toolz | and nothing |
| 14:33.48 | obcecado | kamathln: that page is very helping indeed |
| 14:34.46 | kamathln | obcecado: but the tool they mention is a shareware |
| 14:35.52 | toolz | liable any other way without usb stick cant seem to be working |
| 14:36.13 | craigevil | toolz: there is another app mentioned on the wiki not sure if its only for vista or if it works with xp, http://shounen.ru/soft/flashnul/flashnul-0.991.zip |
| 14:36.56 | dutchfish | toolz, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 14:37.14 | kamathln | does eee boot over pxe ? |
| 14:37.55 | dutchfish | kamathln, yes |
| 14:38.13 | dutchfish | kamathln, thats the way i install all my debians |
| 14:38.20 | toolz | craigevil when I open it it gives me Press Enter to exit |
| 14:38.21 | toolz | :D |
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| 14:38.31 | toolz | any other way of passing this without an usb stick liable? |
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| 14:39.11 | dutchfish | toolz, to get craigevil way working you need to disable execution protection in Vista |
| 14:39.15 | [vr] | Is it possible, while within Xwindows, to unload snd modules and re-load them? (My audio just quit while playing mp3's) |
| 14:39.27 | toolz | I use vista |
| 14:39.29 | toolz | I use xp |
| 14:39.33 | toolz | sorry, I dont use vista |
| 14:39.38 | dutchfish | toolz, ok |
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| 14:41.28 | pif | hi, I set APT::Periodic::Download-Upgradeable-Packages=1; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, /etc/cron.daily/apt does nothing, what did I miss? |
| 14:41.31 | toolz | liable let me know if there is any other option .. |
| 14:41.35 | kamathln | isnt there a way to bootstrap debian on eee ? like first download an initrd and then boot from it, which will continue installing debian ? |
| 14:41.43 | miksuh | [vr]: It's X or X Window System, NOT X Windows |
| 14:41.45 | kamathln | how much ram has it got ? |
| 14:42.21 | dutchfish | kamathln, sure, the problem is the to boot the installer/linux in the first place |
| 14:42.43 | kamathln | so eee does not come with grub ? |
| 14:42.48 | kamathln | is it difficult? |
| 14:43.01 | kamathln | what OS is the eee currently having ? |
| 14:43.18 | dutchfish | kamathln, no, if i understand it correclty toolz opne contains only win atm |
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| 14:43.57 | kamathln | toolz: you got an eee with windows on it? |
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| 14:44.15 | robyonrails | who can suggest me a program similar to "paint" of windows? I need just to paste images, make selection and copies .. gimp is too heavy |
| 14:44.35 | dutchfish | kamathln, the first i did was boot with PXE and dumped the whole disk, wiped it completely and installed debian through PXE netboot |
| 14:44.45 | toolz | I have a laptop with windows xp on it |
| 14:44.57 | kamathln | toolz: okie |
| 14:45.01 | toolz | the box I am trying to fix has nothing on it I am trying to install debian but doesnt work |
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| 14:45.21 | toolz | because of the shitty pata_marvell |
| 14:45.22 | toolz | no idea |
| 14:45.30 | kamathln | toolz: oh! nothing.. now i understand all the trouble .. |
| 14:45.37 | chris081 | can someone please tell me what's wrong with the following: (logged on as root) chmod +020 sun/ return an invalid mode. But in the docs that i readed yesterday, they tell to ADD right to a file, should use the + symbol |
| 14:45.55 | toolz | is there any way to fix this crap |
| 14:46.06 | dutchfish | toolz, what i would do: install a PXE envirenment and netboot with nfs on the lappy, and PXE the othe rmachine, might be handy in future also ;) |
| 14:46.35 | hoxu | chris081, use "g+x" |
| 14:46.45 | hoxu | chris081, err, "g+w" sorry |
| 14:46.57 | toolz | any other thing without using another pc to fix that one.. I mean... |
| 14:47.01 | craigevil | toolz: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingNetboot |
| 14:47.04 | toolz | a normal install why doesnt it work |
| 14:47.18 | dutchfish | toolz, prepare ausb stick on another debian machine (10 minutes tops) |
| 14:47.28 | toolz | ok |
| 14:47.29 | liable | toolz: if you can get dd to work, it should install |
| 14:47.32 | toolz | I have another debian machine |
| 14:47.45 | toolz | I have another debian machine, I plugged the stick inside it |
| 14:47.46 | toolz | its empty |
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| 14:47.51 | deepfriedsquirre | Hello |
| 14:47.51 | dutchfish | toolz, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 14:48.13 | chris081 | g ? |
| 14:48.18 | kamathln | now he tells us! whew .. I am outta here |
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| 14:48.28 | craigevil | if he has a debian system using dd should be simple |
| 14:48.32 | deepfriedsquirre | I tried to remove kde by doing aptitude remove kde. It sort of worked, but there still seem to be a few packages from it installed on my system there. |
| 14:48.33 | x1250 | toolz, why not install with debootstrap? |
| 14:48.44 | dutchfish | chris081, read man page chmod about -r option |
| 14:48.47 | deepfriedsquirre | And yes, I did install it with aptitude with the hope that it would remove kde's deps |
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| 14:50.01 | amoe | If I burn an arbitrary non-ISO file directly to a CD with wodim (say a tar file), will I later be able to read it back in with dd? Or will the lack of a filesystem mean that dd won't know when to stop reading? |
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| 14:51.24 | toolz | liable should I mount |
| 14:51.27 | toolz | the sdb1? |
| 14:51.33 | liable | toolz: no |
| 14:51.42 | toolz | dd: writing to `/dev/sdb1:': No space left on device |
| 14:51.48 | toolz | and it has 2GB, just formatted |
| 14:51.54 | liable | you need to dd it to sdb, not sdb1 |
| 14:52.01 | toolz | same on sdb |
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| 14:52.35 | liable | dd does not care about space. it just does |
| 14:52.49 | nsadmin | why does it say '/dev/sdb1:' |
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| 14:53.18 | chris081 | okay, i created the sun directory as root, so the owner remain root, and the group that can access the directory remains the group that root is member of (root!). The user that i want to get +w access to that file is located in the group 500. how can i chmod to the group 500 and remains the current rights to root ? |
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| 14:53.37 | x1250 | toolz, this is how I installed etch on a remote server without a cdrom. You just need a live-cd (for example ubuntu), and nothing more: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing_debian_on_an_easyspeedy_server |
| 14:53.42 | toolz | ok its done |
| 14:53.49 | toolz | I did it, |
| 14:53.55 | toolz | the stick is done |
| 14:54.05 | toolz | 16384000 bytes (16 MB) copied, 6,78962 seconds, 2,4 MB/s |
| 14:54.10 | liable | good |
| 14:54.21 | liable | that looks correct |
| 14:54.24 | toolz | yeah |
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| 14:54.34 | toolz | now I should plug it in the other machine |
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| 14:55.22 | toolz | and boot from removable device? |
| 14:55.30 | liable | yes |
| 14:56.02 | deepfriedsquirre | I'm trying to remove all of kde, which I installed through aptitude install kde. I tried aptitude remove kde but that didn't remove it all. Any ideas? |
| 14:56.19 | liable | !remove kde |
| 14:56.20 | dpkg | [remove kde] aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 14:56.36 | x1250 | !remove gnome |
| 14:56.36 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 14:56.51 | liable | x1250: uh, why did you do that? |
| 14:56.56 | toolz | doing it right now |
| 14:57.09 | deepfriedsquirre | Cheers |
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| 14:57.23 | deepfriedsquirre | Why wouldn't simple 'aptitude remove kde' do the job? |
| 14:57.40 | liable | deepfriedsquirre: did you install it with aptitude? |
| 14:57.41 | x1250 | liable, because I wanted to know a couple of days ago. Didn't remember what was the lib. |
| 14:57.44 | deepfriedsquirre | aye |
| 14:57.47 | toolz | it isnt booting |
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| 14:58.16 | liable | deepfriedsquirre: how did you install it? |
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| 14:58.50 | liable | by that i mean with tasksel or whatever.. |
| 14:58.58 | chris081 | if i do use chgrp instead of chmod, so the owner group of the sun directory will be the one that i specify in chgrp commands, right ? |
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| 14:59.03 | liable | toolz: whats it do? |
| 14:59.31 | chris081 | so, the account will be the owner, so he's gonna have every rights on the folder and it's 'childs' ? |
| 14:59.53 | deepfriedsquirre | liable: "aptitude install kde" |
| 15:00.38 | liable | deepfriedsquirre: hmm, i woulda thunk aptitude would have done the right thing.. |
| 15:01.01 | dutchfish | chris081, yes |
| 15:01.19 | chris081 | thanks |
| 15:01.48 | toolz | liable it actually lookin on it the led flashes |
| 15:01.50 | deepfriedsquirre | liable: same :P |
| 15:01.51 | toolz | missing operating system |
| 15:01.54 | dutchfish | chris081, that is if you give rw rights to the group |
| 15:01.56 | deepfriedsquirre | Perhaps I failed |
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| 15:02.18 | deepfriedsquirre | I'll see what happens; cheers |
| 15:02.48 | liable | toolz: if it says that, i dont think its read the usb stick.. did you tell bios to boot from usb? |
| 15:03.08 | toolz | yes I did, it looks on boot but doesnt boot |
| 15:03.14 | toolz | I selected usb stick as primary |
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| 15:04.45 | dutchfish | toolz, just go back to the debian machine and stick it in, look if it gets automounted and check if it contains some content, if not rince and repeat |
| 15:05.11 | toolz | k |
| 15:05.16 | dutchfish | toolz, also after commmandline completes (writing the iso) give sync && sync |
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| 15:05.30 | deepfriedsquirre | !remove kde |
| 15:05.31 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 15:05.38 | dutchfish | toolz, to make sure everything is written out to the usb-stick |
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| 15:06.07 | dutchfish | toolz, if you pull it out to soon it is corrupted |
| 15:07.34 | toolz | http://pastebin.ca/1305142 |
| 15:07.37 | deepfriedsquirre | Now this is weird... |
| 15:07.39 | deepfriedsquirre | http://pastebin.com/m3f418ce9 |
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| 15:08.33 | dutchfish | toolz, looks fine to me, wich one you downloaded? (iso) |
| 15:08.42 | toolz | .img |
| 15:09.06 | dutchfish | toolz, wich one exactly ...? |
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| 15:09.44 | toolz | http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/images/debian-eeepc.img |
| 15:09.46 | toolz | this one |
| 15:10.07 | toolz | redone the process |
| 15:10.08 | toolz | 16384000 bytes (16 MB) copied, 6,44064 seconds, 2,5 MB/s |
| 15:10.16 | toolz | removed everything on it and did it once again |
| 15:10.20 | dutchfish | toolz, sync && sync |
| 15:10.26 | toolz | and then sycn && sync |
| 15:10.28 | toolz | yeah |
| 15:10.29 | chris081 | doing an ls -l returns the following: drwxr-xr-x. i want to add the w attribute for the group to the folder, so i should do chmod g+020 sun for these to work (r=4,w=2 and x=1; the 3 position of the above [020] are the left-most value for the root, the center one for the group that own the directory (500, in my case, i will change it using chgrp) and the right-most value are for the other accounts that are member of the same group. Right? |
| 15:10.44 | themill | deepfriedsquirre: remove the experimental or backport sources for kde4 and then retry |
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| 15:11.33 | toolz | nope not booting .. |
| 15:11.40 | deepfriedsquirre | thanks themill |
| 15:11.51 | asg | chris081: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 15:12.10 | themill | deepfriedsquirre: alternatively, aptitude purge kdelibs5-data kdelibs5 kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a (I think... I'm not sure about the kde4 dependencies... ask in #debian-kde for more information on kde4 stuff) |
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| 15:13.19 | deepfriedsquirre | Seems less crazy now |
| 15:13.22 | deepfriedsquirre | http://pastebin.com/m1a364311 |
| 15:13.35 | toolz | it isnt working its not booting from that stick |
| 15:13.47 | dutchfish | toolz, wich model? check this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models |
| 15:14.12 | toolz | how do I know what model? |
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| 15:14.35 | chris081 | asg: i readed it yesterday. Seriously, there is something that i'm currently not understanding correctly, but i don't find out what |
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| 15:14.57 | chris081 | asg: i also readed the man page, the page from the book that i have, nothing |
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| 15:15.32 | chris081 | asg: i tought this would be an error while converting the right into the octal format, but this is quite easy to do, so this can't be that |
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| 15:16.00 | toolz | dutchfish its an attache2gb usb stick |
| 15:16.01 | dutchfish | toolz, at the top of my head its on the backsite |
| 15:16.12 | dutchfish | toolz, no, th emodel of your eeepc |
| 15:16.33 | toolz | whats eeepc?! |
| 15:16.37 | dutchfish | toolz, your stick is fine now |
| 15:16.46 | dutchfish | toolz, ? |
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| 15:16.57 | asg | chris081: if you just want to add group write permissions, simply do 'chmod g+w <file>' |
| 15:17.02 | dutchfish | liable, can youpick it up from here? |
| 15:17.12 | toolz | the heck, I was told to use this for my core 2 quad q9550 |
| 15:17.21 | toolz | what eeepc |
| 15:17.30 | toolz | because theres my problem |
| 15:17.32 | deepfriedsquirre | Do I install the new kde4 with my normal lenny sources enabled or with them disabled? |
| 15:17.37 | dutchfish | toolz, ah about the marvell module not included |
| 15:17.41 | toolz | exactly |
| 15:17.57 | liable | dutchfish: i only pointed him to that installer because i know it contains the right modules |
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| 15:18.22 | dutchfish | liable, ah ok, please take it from here, i don tknow exactly what you trying to do |
| 15:18.37 | liable | but that doesnt really matter with the eeepc installer, because the marvell module is not needed.. |
| 15:18.41 | toolz | liable it doesnt boot with that stick |
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| 15:18.57 | dominik | hi |
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| 15:19.03 | chris081 | asg: ok, thanks. |
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| 15:19.10 | deepfriedsquirre | Meh with the usual sources seems to work |
| 15:19.14 | deepfriedsquirre | We'll see |
| 15:19.19 | dominik | i always get the following message when trying to use PC/SC with a reiner sct e-com smartcard reader: |
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| 15:19.28 | dominik | 00001840 readerfactory.c:949:RFBindFunctions() Loading IFD Handler 3.0 |
| 15:19.28 | dominik | 06134296 readerfactory.c:1121:RFInitializeReader() Open Port 200000 Failed (usb:0c4b/0400:libhal:/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_c4b_400_3829589882_if0) |
| 15:19.31 | dominik | 00000068 readerfactory.c:994:RFUnloadReader() Unloading reader driver. |
| 15:19.49 | dominik | I'm using the official ReinerSCT drivers |
| 15:19.56 | liable | toolz: a new mobo should boot from usb. i can only wonder how you dd'd the image to be the problem |
| 15:19.59 | dominik | it works when recompiling pcsc-lite without HAL support |
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| 15:20.30 | liable | toolz: i know it works perfectly for computers that boot from usb |
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| 15:20.42 | toolz | liable: dd if=debian-eeepc.img of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 15:20.47 | toolz | no errors it wrote everything |
| 15:20.50 | dutchfish | wrong! |
| 15:21.03 | liable | toolz: sdb |
| 15:21.16 | toolz | but it wrote |
| 15:21.19 | liable | no |
| 15:21.22 | toolz | is there a difference? |
| 15:21.31 | toolz | I just checked the usb and it has those files in |
| 15:21.33 | toolz | I will retry |
| 15:21.33 | liable | toolz: dude, i told you sdb, not sdb1 |
| 15:22.28 | chris081 | asg: if i do chmod g+w sun, this is gonna give the right to every account in the group of the user that owne the directory. and if i do chmod u+w, this is gonna give the right only the the user that own the dir, right ? |
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| 15:23.44 | toolz | dd if=debian-eeepc.img of=/dev/sdb |
| 15:24.02 | toolz | 32000+0 records in 32000+0 records out 16384000 bytes (16 MB) copied, 14,5371 seconds, 1,1 MB/s |
| 15:24.08 | toolz | sync && sync |
| 15:24.09 | dutchfish | chris081, that right but you need -r to do that for the whole dirtree sun |
| 15:24.11 | toolz | is it ok now? |
| 15:24.39 | liable | toolz: just boot from it |
| 15:24.43 | toolz | booting now |
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| 15:25.15 | toolz | shit. works now |
| 15:25.18 | dutchfish | but just a whole new family pack of pampers |
| 15:25.21 | toolz | sorry my mistake with that sdb1 |
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| 15:25.58 | chris081 | dutchfish: the sun dir's empty, so i guess that if my newbee account write (gzip) data files into that directory, the right's gonna be inherited, right? (that would make no sense otherwise) |
| 15:26.06 | dutchfish | chris081, ok then |
| 15:26.17 | Tenkawa | Anyone know why recently in the kernel configs IPV6 went from module to yes? |
| 15:26.24 | liable | its amazing how shit works when you actually do it according to the docs |
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| 15:27.06 | dutchfish | chris081, but it wont force a owner, just to remind you, for new files inside that dir |
| 15:27.09 | Tenkawa | hard to completely disable ipv6 now without rebuilding the whole kernel |
| 15:27.23 | toolz | are you kidding me? its installing :D |
| 15:27.24 | liable | toolz: no. blacklist it |
| 15:27.26 | toolz | :) |
| 15:27.33 | liable | erm.. |
| 15:27.38 | liable | Tenkawa: ^^ |
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| 15:27.47 | liable | Tenkawa: i told you it would :P |
| 15:27.51 | dutchfish | !coffee libale |
| 15:27.51 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of Colombian for libale, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 15:27.54 | liable | bah |
| 15:28.01 | Tenkawa | liable: you cant blacklist it if its compiled into the kernel |
| 15:28.05 | Tenkawa | thats my point |
| 15:28.08 | liable | make that a double.. |
| 15:28.12 | themill | Tenkawa: what kernel are you running? |
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| 15:28.18 | Tenkawa | it went from being a module to not |
| 15:28.24 | liable | Tenkawa: ipv6 is not compiled into debian kernels.. |
| 15:28.30 | Tenkawa | themill: whatever is in unstable |
| 15:28.37 | craigevil-eee | blacklist ipv6 and if your using iceweasel turn it off in about:config |
| 15:28.48 | Tenkawa | checking uname |
| 15:29.06 | themill | Tenkawa: the exact package version would be more useful |
| 15:29.55 | Tenkawa | grep IPV6 /boot/config-2.6.26-1-vserver-686-bigmem |
| 15:29.55 | Tenkawa | CONFIG_IPV6=y |
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| 15:30.01 | Tenkawa | that kern |
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| 15:30.23 | Tenkawa | I'm assuming it was needed for vserver |
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| 15:30.48 | Tenkawa | so I might just go back to regular bigmem since I didnt fire up any of my vms yet |
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| 15:31.11 | Tenkawa | this is just hobby/test machine anyway |
| 15:31.13 | craigevil-eee | easy to turn off ipv6 ,perl -pi -e 's/ipv6/off/' /etc/modprobe.d/aliases && perl -pi -e 's/^ipv6\n//' /etc/modules, then turn it off in iceweasel in about:config |
| 15:31.23 | Tenkawa | craigevil-eee: |
| 15:31.26 | Tenkawa | nope |
| 15:31.34 | Tenkawa | not when IPV6 is compiled in :) |
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| 15:32.08 | liable | Tenkawa: its not in standard kernel, so i guess vserver is a special case. not sure how you deal with that |
| 15:32.13 | Tenkawa | gets the regular bigmem linux-image package and checks its config |
| 15:32.29 | Tenkawa | liable: yeah.. its probably for "convenience" |
| 15:32.36 | liable | pilsner:~# grep -i ipv6 /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 15:32.36 | liable | CONFIG_IPV6=m |
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| 15:32.44 | Tenkawa | I'll just go back to regular bigmem for now |
| 15:33.08 | Tenkawa | was hoping it wouldnt be in all of them this way... thanks for verifying for me |
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| 15:34.38 | liable | toolz: dont forget that the installer will install lenny |
| 15:34.55 | chris081 | anyone: if i do chmod 765 sun, so the group of the owner's gonna have the following right:rw, but not x. what's the difference between (r+w) and x ? |
| 15:35.19 | liable | toolz: in the main menu see 'debconf priority' set it to low, to install etch |
| 15:35.25 | asg | chris081: 'x' means executable |
| 15:36.54 | chris081 | asg: so, reading a gzip file is more like opening it using a gzip editor, instead of extracting it's content? |
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| 15:37.32 | chris081 | so, if i do +r / -x, i'm gonna be able to open the gzip file using the gzip 'editor', but not to extract ?? |
| 15:37.48 | asg | chris081: no, it doesn't mean that at all |
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| 15:38.20 | asg | chris081: if the file was an executable (like /usr/bin/ping) but didn't have the 'x' permission, running it would not run |
| 15:39.28 | chris081 | asg: ok, so if i do a search for ping. the /usr/bin/ping will be listed in the search results, but i won't be able to run that application, this is it ? |
| 15:39.59 | anddam | hello |
| 15:40.20 | anddam | I'm having some problem with network configuration but I'm not able to figure what the problem actually is |
| 15:40.46 | anddam | I'm on lenny, I've got an "auto lo wlan0 eth0 eth1" line in interfaces and a static entry for wlan0 |
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| 15:41.55 | anddam | "ifconfig" lists wlan0 so it should be enabled and actually it should have been enabled by the "auto" option but if I try a ifdown wlan0 I get a "ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured" |
| 15:42.05 | anddam | why is wlan0 up then? |
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| 15:42.28 | anddam | moreover I can't see the essid for the network even if iwconfig shows everything well configured |
| 15:42.34 | asg | chris081: actually, being able to see a file in a directory listing is a function of the parent directory permissions, not the file itself. |
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| 15:43.57 | chris081 | asg: ok, thanks, this is just because i'm trying to understand the difference in the 'abstract philosophy' that it say that reading is different from executing, using examples |
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| 15:45.06 | toolz | liable where in the menu |
| 15:45.26 | asg | chris081: another example: say you have a directory with permissions '--x'. You couldn't create files or even view what the directory contained. However, if you knew there was a file in the directory named 'foo', you could read it or write it if the file itself had 'r--' or 'rw-' permissions respectively |
| 15:46.30 | _pseud0nym | Hi, I have debian etch & an external HDD formatted with ext2. I can copy files onto the external HDD but when I try to copy files _from external HDD to my internal HDD_ it gives error/ the process stalls. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:46.38 | asg | chris081: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions <---- greycat does a great job of explaining all the permutations with examples |
| 15:47.36 | _pseud0nym | Just to make things clear, I face similar problems when I mount the HDD in Windows with fs-driver |
| 15:48.02 | chris081 | asg: not totally, i readed that page yesterday. when i came back here, someone told me that the real right are more like 7777 (you saw the fourth byte?) |
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| 15:48.30 | chris081 | but in the page, it only use the 3 bytes methods |
| 15:48.47 | chris081 | i guess that the 4th byte are right for everyone |
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| 15:48.52 | p0l0Na1sE | how can i bind keys like XF86HomePage, etc. (keyboard buttons)? |
| 15:48.53 | asg | chris081: yes, there is a forth for setuid/setgid |
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| 15:50.15 | toolz | error, debootstrap |
| 15:50.20 | toolz | invalid release signature |
| 15:50.24 | toolz | mrrr.. |
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| 15:51.13 | asg | chris081: he does discuss those special bits near the end: "Finally, there are three additional permission bits that we haven't examined yet, and each of them has a special purpose (sometimes even more than one). We'll take each of these in turn." |
| 15:51.42 | chris081 | asg: but retriving group of an user using getent group username produce the following: username:x:500, where username represents the name of the account, x represents the password (not shown or encrypted shown) and 500, the gID of that user. Also doing a vi /etc/group and reading up until i reach username give me the same thing as the shell's output |
| 15:51.50 | toolz | liable whats that error |
| 15:52.11 | asg | chris081: yes and? |
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| 15:52.50 | chris081 | if the gID is 500, how can i fit it in the following: 7777. trying to fit it would looks like 777'500', don't you think ? |
| 15:53.18 | chris081 | wait |
| 15:53.24 | chris081 | i'm gonna reread that page |
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| 15:53.38 | chris081 | !dpkg /unix permissions |
| 15:53.56 | chris081 | ->dpkg unix permissions |
| 15:54.01 | asg | !permission |
| 15:54.03 | asg | !permissions |
| 15:54.03 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 15:57.39 | toolz | liable cant I pus a default i386 or amd64 on the stick and install it? :D |
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| 15:59.53 | asg | chris081: remember, chown and chgrp are used to change the owner and group of a file or directory while chmod is used to change the permissions on the file or directory |
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| 16:08.59 | flower | is there is smart way to see which packages has the synaptic as depends? |
| 16:10.20 | maligor | apt-cache rdepends synaptic |
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| 16:12.44 | smacnay | Hi, I have an external usb drive for storage. It is now formatted ext2 and automounts when linux boots up. How do I set default permissions on the drive so that I might write to it? Or maybe I should create a dir on the drive for "user" to write to and set permissions on the dir? |
| 16:12.49 | toolz | liable, still here? |
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| 16:13.47 | asg | smacnay: the latter |
| 16:14.31 | dustybin | should bind 9 be written as 'Bind 9' or 'Bind9' ? |
| 16:15.56 | asg | dustybin: according to ISC, it should be BIND 9 |
| 16:16.16 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 16:18.41 | smacnay | asg: thanks - that seemed more sensible anyway. |
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| 16:21.56 | kalmah | does anyone have a decent guide to getting youtube to work with debian? both libflashplayer.so and libjavaplugin.so are in my iceweasel plugin dir |
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| 16:22.46 | NoReGreT | kalmah: you installed flashplayer-mozilla ? |
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| 16:23.28 | kalmah | NoReGreT: i believe so, i'll check |
| 16:23.49 | craigevil-eee | kalmah: what are you using for flash? flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org works as does gnash most of the time |
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| 16:25.46 | heath|work | I am using ubuntu, but no one in the ubuntu server channel is able to help me. Would any of you mind giving me a hand with a sata and scsi question? |
| 16:26.06 | kalmah | currently i have flashplugin-nonfree, i'll try the one you listed |
| 16:26.26 | themill | heath|work: got a debian install disk handy? |
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| 16:26.49 | heath|work | well... yes, our other server is debian |
| 16:26.56 | craigevil-eee | kalmah: what does about:plugins show is being used for flash |
| 16:27.08 | NoReGreT | kalmah: use the debian-multimedia.org repo |
| 16:27.42 | craigevil-eee | flashplugin-nonfree works as well if its installed |
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| 16:28.17 | themill | kalmah: having things in your profile's plugins directory shouldn't be necessary if you have the packages installed. |
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| 16:35.11 | nanonyme | Can I make it so that Debian would by default install -dbg packages for all packages I install? |
| 16:35.38 | chris081 | ok. for now, the following seems to be ok: 1-logging in as root; 2-mkdir sun; 3-chgrp -r 500 sun; 4-chmod -r 774 sun; (sees if the shell's output doesn't write any errors then) 5-logout 6-log in as any user that is in the 500 group 7-do what i want with the sun directory (mkdir java; mkdir mysql) |
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| 16:38.19 | Ford-Prefect | got an out of rage problem on my screen, so far no help from google nor mailinglists, any suggestions? |
| 16:38.21 | chlue | Hello I tried to install the fglrx-driver from experimental on amd64, but aptitude claims there is no suitable xserver-xorg. The driver depends on >= 1:7.4 but I allreadz have 1:7.4~4 installed. Can anyone give some insight about that problem? |
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| 16:44.49 | chris081 | asg: so, using chown changes only the ownership of the file to the account specified, but not it's group, and chgrp changes the ownership of the file to the group, and implicitly, to the useraccount ? |
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| 16:47.05 | ElDiabolo | I have found that a raid1 resync on lenny does not really run in the background. It slows down the system too much. What package do I report this as a bug for? |
| 16:47.10 | hark | chlue: try 'aptitude why-not fglrx-driver' |
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| 16:48.45 | xand | ElDiabolo: don't think that's a bug... of course it'll slow it down |
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| 16:49.35 | smacnay | can sbackup backup files from networked Win computers as well, or is it (as its name indicates) a "simple" backup for one user's files to a backup dir? For more complicated backups (network with various os's and file sources), what is recommended? backula? |
| 16:49.43 | smacnay | bacula |
| 16:49.51 | _pseud0nym | I just formatted an external HDD with ext2 and there's a 'lost+found' folder on the drive. Why so? |
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| 16:50.10 | smacnay | _pseud0nym: default stuff, I think - I did the same and see it as well. |
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| 16:50.32 | mhymn | !lost+found |
| 16:50.32 | dpkg | it has been said that lost+found is created by the mklost+found program, or where recovered information goes after repairing a disk (bits of files usually) |
| 16:50.43 | smacnay | I once looked in there when I thought I had lost my mind, and guess what, I found it. So don't delete that dir!! |
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| 16:50.53 | chris081 | !chown |
| 16:50.53 | dpkg | i heard chown is CHange OWNer, its part of the fileutils package, try 'man chown' at the prompt |
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| 16:51.41 | _pseud0nym | If it stores lost bits and if I don't wish to recover them, am I still supposed to keep the directory? |
| 16:51.46 | chris081 | quite useful that dpkg. does it do the same in private, instead of filling the main channel window with informations that other users doesn't want/need to see ? |
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| 16:52.31 | chlue | hark: aptitude whznot does not help. When I use the gui of aptitude I get the message xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.4) (NICHT VERFÜGBAR) |
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| 16:53.04 | chlue | hark: It seem aptitude thinks 1:7.4~4 is older than 1:7.4 |
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| 16:54.43 | anddam | bye |
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| 16:56.08 | chlue | hark: can you try if you can install the driver form experimental? |
| 16:56.30 | assasukasse | hi everyone i was wondering if anyone has a repository with ekiga 3 for lenny |
| 16:57.37 | dutchfish | assasukasse, what about the debian archives? |
| 16:57.51 | assasukasse | dutchfish: they still have ekiga 2 |
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| 16:58.09 | dutchfish | assasukasse, looked in in bpo? |
| 16:58.28 | assasukasse | dutchfish: nope let me give a look |
| 16:58.51 | ElDiabolo | xand: It takes 2 hours too even boot. Thats not acceptable. |
| 16:59.16 | hark | chlue: i am on i386 now, the experimental driver is amd64 only |
| 16:59.20 | assasukasse | dutchfish: in debian backports there is only version 2 :( |
| 17:00.13 | dutchfish | assasukasse, there you go: but i wont recommend using it (yet) http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ekiga |
| 17:00.17 | assasukasse | dutchfish: only in experimental.. |
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| 17:00.48 | assasukasse | dutchfish: yup but is so tempting, i dun think it would ever be included in lenny |
| 17:01.03 | chris081 | !ekiga |
| 17:01.03 | dpkg | i guess ekiga is a H323 and SIP compatible VoIP client, that supports video chat and is mostly compatible with the proprietary program "netmeeting". formerly known as 'gnomemeeting' |
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| 17:01.31 | dutchfish | assasukasse, there is more tempting, but i prefer the debian way, stability and maturety first |
| 17:01.38 | unbalanced | perhaps a commandline guru can help me with xgettext... there doesn't seem to be a command line arg to force it to recurse through subdirs, it just reads files in the current dir |
| 17:01.45 | chlue | Can someone else who runs the amd64 distribution look if the fglrx-driver form experimental should be installable? |
| 17:02.10 | dutchfish | assasukasse, you can forget that, but once lenny is stable it will lfow in bpo |
| 17:02.18 | unbalanced | the man page offers a -D arg to name various dirs, but I haven't had much luck with that (more in a sec) |
| 17:02.23 | dutchfish | s/lfow/flow |
| 17:02.37 | assasukasse | ok dutchfish |
| 17:02.57 | unbalanced | when I use -D=/some/path, I get... |
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| 17:05.08 | breize | can someone give me a good reason why i should use debian instead of ubuntu on my desktop? |
| 17:05.21 | unbalanced | xgettext: error while opening "some_logic.php" for reading: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.27 | chris081 | well, here it's 12:00, time to take a lunch. thanks everybody for your help. maybe see you later |
| 17:05.32 | amoe | breize: for a laugh |
| 17:05.33 | unbalanced | (where some_logic.php is one of my target files) |
| 17:05.43 | mhymn | breize: it's offtopic |
| 17:05.46 | unbalanced | I called xgettext with |
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| 17:06.26 | breize | amoe: ? |
| 17:06.26 | unbalanced | sudo xgettext -L PHP -p /var/www/ -D=/var/www/mysite.ca/mysubdir/ *.php |
| 17:06.28 | ElDiabolo | chlue: what is your actual problem? |
| 17:06.46 | unbalanced | from /var/www/mysite.ca |
| 17:06.53 | assasukasse | breize: do you know what unstable means? ubuntu comes out from unstable. if for you is fine, then go for it :d |
| 17:07.19 | chlue | ElDiabolo: When I use the gui of aptitude I get the message xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.4) (NICHT VERFÜGBAR). It seem aptitude thinks 1:7.4~4 is older than 1:7.4 |
| 17:07.22 | breize | well it runs pretty stable |
| 17:07.55 | assasukasse | breize: of course, till u encounter a bug. then is not so stable anymore. |
| 17:08.00 | chlue | ElDiabolo: But there is no bug report so I don't really believe that this happen on all systems. |
| 17:08.11 | ElDiabolo | chlue: Why experimental, won't sid do it? |
| 17:08.41 | breize | so what would you consider fr a desktop system? sid? |
| 17:08.54 | x1250 | breize, IMHE (E, for experience), ubuntu for laptops, debian for real work. |
| 17:08.55 | ElDiabolo | breize: Lenny. |
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| 17:09.08 | oliver_g_ | hello |
| 17:09.22 | chlue | ElDiabolo: I build a new system with a r730 based card. I need the newer version of the driver. Till now I was happy with the radeon driver on my r300 based card. |
| 17:09.28 | assasukasse | breize: finding bug needs time, debian takes time...ubuntu just take things out of unstable and makes them stay up together. I wouldn't put smth like that.. |
| 17:09.34 | assasukasse | breize: i recommend lenny |
| 17:09.46 | oliver_g_ | do you know if there are kernel packages for Lenny for kernel 2.6.28? |
| 17:09.54 | maligor | chlue, opensource driver? |
| 17:09.57 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, nope |
| 17:09.59 | breize | assasukasse: ok |
| 17:10.05 | breize | thanks for your help so far |
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| 17:10.18 | oliver_g_ | dutchfish: is that a faq already? :-) |
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| 17:10.52 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, youcan roll your own ;) /msg dpkg about kp-mantra |
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| 17:11.09 | chlue | maligor: unfortunate the opensource one is currently not really usable for the r7xx based cards. |
| 17:11.12 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, running 2.6.28 myself |
| 17:11.20 | oliver_g_ | self-built? |
| 17:11.33 | x1250 | assasukasse, thats the way it is. It would be really bad that ubuntu was debian stable based, wouldn't it? |
| 17:11.34 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, sure |
| 17:12.19 | oliver_g_ | dutchfish: how much disk space does that take? I tried recently (on Ubuntu though) and it took more than 2.5GB |
| 17:13.50 | oliver_g_ | or, alternatively, what are the chances of getting a small 2.6.28 patch backported into Lennys kernel? |
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| 17:14.19 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, let me check |
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| 17:15.41 | amf | How can I search for packages from some other repo (etch-backports in this case). I don't remember what I installed from there |
| 17:15.48 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, about < 400mb |
| 17:15.58 | oliver_g_ | huh |
| 17:16.18 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, thats source, binary, deb packages, doc & modules |
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| 17:17.06 | oliver_g_ | the Ubuntu system (600MHz) was compiling a whole evening, and the other morning I checked and it had stopped with "no disk space" |
| 17:17.39 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, on my machine it takes ~20 min for a linux-image debian packages to roll out |
| 17:17.52 | oliver_g_ | maybe I'll give the Debian compile a try |
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| 17:18.17 | oliver_g_ | dutchfish: in what directory do I run the kp-mantra? |
| 17:18.27 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, it depend a bit on the hardware, an old P4 might ake 1 hour or so |
| 17:18.47 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, /usr/src as normal user (non-root) |
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| 17:19.14 | oliver_g_ | on vanilla sources from kernel.org? |
| 17:19.27 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, i use ketchup to get the sources |
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| 17:21.03 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, i made a litle script to run all: http://paste.debian.net/25674/ |
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| 17:22.25 | oliver_g_ | dutchfish: thanks! |
| 17:22.25 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, you can go vanilla, i tend to manually patch the debian patches as far as possible, but thats your choice |
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| 17:22.56 | oliver_g_ | Is the debian kernel very different from mainline? |
| 17:23.51 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, not match difference, but debian does its config and paches on its own, you can start form there copy the /boot/config-"your curentkernel" to .config |
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| 17:24.13 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, hten run make oldconfig |
| 17:24.19 | dutchfish | s/hten/then |
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| 17:24.54 | dutchfish | oliver_g_, then run my scripts. You need build-essential and ncurses-dev |
| 17:25.13 | Titane | bonjour |
| 17:25.39 | dutchfish | !fr |
| 17:25.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:25.58 | Titane | Thanks |
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| 17:32.26 | itchi | Hi, i have some troubles to start x11vnc from a Windows XP box over ssh with putty. I always get this error http://pastebin.ca/1305228 |
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| 17:34.15 | itchi | I follow different howto's, such as on http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#faq-ssh-putty and all howto's are almost the same for this. So i guess i may have some misconfigured thing somewhere :-s |
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| 17:36.27 | itchi | I can get x11vnc work when i start it on the server. So i guess my troubles is with X11 or the display variable while they are ok |
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| 17:46.18 | themill | itchi: you don't want x11vnc to be using :10 for the DISPLAY because that is your forwarded X connection. You want it to be using :0. Use "-display :0" for x11vnc. |
| 17:46.46 | themill | (or don't forward X for that connection) |
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| 17:48.05 | A1icE | hi everybody there |
| 17:48.16 | A1icE | does anybody know how to enable the integrated graphic intel chipset (GM45) in the new kernel??? |
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| 17:50.24 | mirak | hi |
| 17:50.46 | A1icE | hi mirak |
| 17:50.58 | mirak | is there a way to list packages in a system that are not dependent of another package |
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| 17:55.46 | themill | !deborphan |
| 17:55.46 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. Ask me about <debfoster><autoremove><unmarkauto>. |
| 17:55.56 | themill | mirak: ^^ is that what you mean? |
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| 18:02.55 | bluevapour | hey guys tryin to setup a server, using firehol as iptables management, and using lightttpd with ipv6 enabled just in case, lan is fine, outside users can connect to ssh on port 22 fine, but not 80 |
| 18:03.05 | bluevapour | http://81.23.57.144/index.html |
| 18:03.06 | bluevapour | thats the link |
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| 18:17.05 | Evan_ | Hello, I came in last night. I had a problem when I updated to lenny from etch that my xserv won't start. |
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| 18:17.14 | Evan_ | kde started the first time |
| 18:17.19 | Evan_ | Then I got a black screen |
| 18:17.31 | mirak | themill somewhat I wanted to go back to a basic systm |
| 18:17.33 | Evan_ | and it hung there until I hard booted the pc |
| 18:17.45 | Evan_ | Now I can't get xserv to start at all |
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| 18:18.46 | fjfalcon | Greeting to all, i have question - does anyone have bug with bind9, that forwaders option doesn't work? |
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| 18:19.41 | pickcoder | fjfalcon: forwarders work on my Etch router/gateway/proxy |
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| 18:22.34 | Xpert | how do i install a .deb ? |
| 18:22.40 | Xpert | dpkg - r filename.deb ? |
| 18:22.41 | dpkg | Xpert: i don't know |
| 18:22.45 | Xpert | it isnt running |
| 18:22.56 | Xpert | ? |
| 18:22.56 | fjfalcon | Xpert: dpkg -i *.deb |
| 18:23.00 | Xpert | ok |
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| 18:24.29 | deus___ | Evan_, tried to install your graphics driver? |
| 18:24.38 | jhutchins_ | Where does bind9 log? |
| 18:24.43 | Evan_ | hmm |
| 18:24.49 | Evan_ | It should already be installed |
| 18:24.56 | Evan_ | Afterall this was just an update |
| 18:25.03 | deus___ | did you update your kernel? |
| 18:25.07 | deus___ | ah |
| 18:25.08 | deus___ | I see |
| 18:25.25 | deus___ | i had the same issue using gnome and a nvidia card |
| 18:25.30 | Evan_ | Yes I just updated from etch to lenny |
| 18:25.36 | deus___ | after having reinstalled my graphics driver, it worked fine for me |
| 18:25.50 | deus___ | you should give it a shot |
| 18:25.56 | Evan_ | lets see if I can remember how to do that |
| 18:26.13 | deus___ | good luck |
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| 18:26.41 | pothibo | is Lenny stable ? |
| 18:26.43 | Evan_ | Yeah I think I should have just stuck with my stable install |
| 18:26.51 | fjfalcon | jhutchins_: for default cat /var/log/syslog | grep named |
| 18:26.54 | miksuh | Evan_: remember that you ned to have graphics driver kernel modules |
| 18:27.08 | Evan_ | How do I get those? |
| 18:27.17 | miksuh | if you upgraded from etch to lenny, then you have now different kernel version and you ned to reinstall drivers |
| 18:27.28 | Evan_ | bah D: |
| 18:27.37 | Evan_ | Any insight on how to do this |
| 18:27.43 | Evan_ | This is my first upgrade |
| 18:27.49 | pickcoder | pothibo: that's a subjective question |
| 18:27.58 | pickcoder | pothibo: look at the RC bugs on bugs.debian.org |
| 18:28.09 | pickcoder | if none of the matter to you then you can consider it stable |
| 18:28.15 | pothibo | I'm tyrying to install php 5.2.4 instead of the current version 5.2.0+8, because I use symfony and it reqires 5.2.4, but etch doesn't have that package per default, any place I could find it ? |
| 18:28.15 | miksuh | Evan_: ATI, Nvidia or something else? |
| 18:28.20 | Evan_ | intel |
| 18:28.36 | pickcoder | !tell pothibo about bpo |
| 18:28.58 | miksuh | pothibo: lenny is not stable yet, but it should be soon |
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| 18:30.00 | miksuh | pothibo: I mean released, lenny is wery good already |
| 18:30.24 | miksuh | just my opinion ofcourse |
| 18:30.27 | pothibo | :) |
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| 18:31.02 | pothibo | GPG error on public key is normal ? when I added the backport repo |
| 18:31.29 | miksuh | pothibo: yes, you ned backports.org repository key |
| 18:31.40 | miksuh | secure apt |
| 18:31.57 | fjfalcon | pothibo: type this wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - |
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| 18:32.19 | pickcoder | pothibo: that's on the instruction page |
| 18:32.27 | pothibo | sry |
| 18:32.31 | pothibo | I didn't read the last bit |
| 18:32.35 | pickcoder | you need to install the key-ring |
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| 18:33.00 | Evan_ | miksuh: any help on the issue |
| 18:33.29 | pothibo | but anywya, the php ersion is still to the latest version.. sry I'm not use to apt.. |
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| 18:33.44 | deus___ | Evan_, there are plenty docs on the net available how to install a driver |
| 18:33.50 | Evan_ | ok |
| 18:34.17 | deus___ | if you have a NVidia Card, I can explain it in a few steps |
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| 18:34.35 | Evan_ | I don't it's intel |
| 18:34.41 | deus___ | I see :/ |
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| 18:34.54 | Evan_ | Yeah :/ |
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| 18:35.30 | pothibo | anyone here succeeded to install php5.2.4 on their debian etch installation? |
| 18:35.43 | DeathWolf | hello all... Does anyone have any idea if pdftosrc is build in any of the sid tetex package? |
| 18:36.08 | DeathWolf | I found the following old bug report, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=176182 but it seems the whole tetex package architecture changed since then |
| 18:36.11 | miksuh | Evan_: not sure which packages you should install, but atleast probably this: |
| 18:36.42 | miksuh | xserver-xorg-video-intel or xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 18:37.00 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.03 | fjfalcon | http://www.fjfalcon.ru/named.txt - why forwarders option may not work? |
| 18:37.11 | gewt | If I install debian to a system with a celeron mendocino...and install a 486 kernel, if I remove the HDD and place it in a Pentium 1 MMX system, would it work properly? |
| 18:37.16 | Evan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.27 | miksuh | I think you don't need to install separate intel kernel modulepackages, I could be wrong though |
| 18:37.34 | newsense | for an intel chip thats what you want |
| 18:37.39 | miksuh | i don't have any computer with intel based gfx card |
| 18:37.54 | deus___ | me neither |
| 18:37.59 | newsense | Evan_, whats the problem exactly ? |
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| 18:38.36 | Evan_ | Well I dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 18:38.38 | gewt | are the pentium 1's 586 or 486? and a 486 kernel would work right? |
| 18:38.45 | Evan_ | Once the upgrade was done |
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| 18:38.50 | Evan_ | kde started fine |
| 18:38.55 | Evan_ | ran for 5 minutes |
| 18:38.58 | Evan_ | Then black screened |
| 18:39.03 | Evan_ | and hung there |
| 18:39.15 | Evan_ | Now xserver won't start at all |
| 18:39.26 | themill | DeathWolf: apt-file is your friend... but it only turns up a man page and not a binary. texlive-extra-utils: /usr/share/man/man1/pdftosrc.1.gz |
| 18:39.32 | Evan_ | I get this error message when trying to start xserv |
| 18:39.33 | ameyer | gewt: I'm fairly certain PentiumMMX is 686. Might want to just use 486 to be safe, though. |
| 18:39.34 | dmoerner | gewt: 486 |
| 18:39.38 | Evan_ | let me retreive it newsense |
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| 18:39.52 | newsense | Evan_, funny i had a little glitch in x yesterday where it went black then kept trying to restart but couldnt |
| 18:39.56 | newsense | im using intel too |
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| 18:40.13 | gewt | k, Ill install the hdd in the ceelron system, install a 486 kernel, and place it in the P1 |
| 18:40.41 | Evan_ | newsense: http://debian.pastebin.com/f7ef3e781 |
| 18:40.50 | Evan_ | Yeah thats whats happening to me |
| 18:40.52 | dmoerner | gewt: 586 actually |
| 18:40.57 | ameyer | gewt: ...or perhaps not. Just use 486 |
| 18:41.01 | Evan_ | Then when I booted right before it started running x |
| 18:41.05 | Evan_ | It would black out |
| 18:41.15 | DeathWolf | themill: I already apt-file searched it |
| 18:41.17 | DeathWolf | and didnt find it |
| 18:41.21 | Evan_ | and hang there and then I'd have to hard reboot to even get my screen back |
| 18:41.22 | DeathWolf | that's why I came here to ask:) |
| 18:41.28 | newsense | im using kde and kdm in the log apparently tried to recover like 30 times |
| 18:41.30 | DeathWolf | because it made no sense since it was suppsoedly fixed in 2003 |
| 18:41.35 | Evan_ | Now it doesn't hang in a black screen anymore but when I try to startx |
| 18:41.40 | Evan_ | it gives me that msg |
| 18:41.50 | themill | DeathWolf: but there's been the tetex => texlive transition since then... |
| 18:41.53 | newsense | Evan_, i had similar in my logs |
| 18:42.01 | DeathWolf | yes... that's the issue I guess the-dude |
| 18:42.03 | DeathWolf | err themill |
| 18:42.06 | newsense | hasnt happened since though |
| 18:42.17 | Evan_ | How did you fix it |
| 18:42.24 | DeathWolf | is texlive another tex distro or just a re-organisation? |
| 18:42.38 | newsense | rebooted and it somehow recovered and kdm startyed ok |
| 18:42.45 | Evan_ | bleh |
| 18:42.47 | Evan_ | See n ow |
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| 18:42.52 | newsense | was getting ready for it to happen again but didnt |
| 18:43.32 | Xpert | ty |
| 18:43.41 | newsense | ive never had a problem with xorg kde or intel drivers so i figured *&^* it |
| 18:43.47 | Evan_ | "gdm" is set as my default display manager and I can't even use kdm to start it |
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| 18:44.07 | Evan_ | This upgrade was a big mess |
| 18:44.13 | Evan_ | and now I'm wishing I'd never doneit |
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| 18:45.19 | jhutchins_ | fjfalcon: doesn't seem to even be getting far enough to log then. |
| 18:46.49 | craigevil-eee | you can use either gdm or kdm,pick one |
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| 18:47.39 | nowhereman | hi, do you know if theres a package for the olsr routing protocol in etch? |
| 18:47.39 | Evan_ | Yeah but how do I set the default |
| 18:47.50 | craigevil-eee | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 18:49.07 | themill | DeathWolf: a completely different tex distribution. tetex was dead upstream whereas texlive is quite active. |
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| 18:50.15 | pothibo | anyone has installed php 5.2.4 on their etch machine? I need that repo.. Can't find it nowhere, and I don't want to compile from source |
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| 18:50.46 | DeathWolf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-tex-maint/2007/07/msg00285.html it seems texlive had pdftosrc |
| 18:50.53 | DeathWolf | but that it's subject to controversy or so |
| 18:51.02 | miksuh | Evan_: uninstall gdm and install kdm or uninstall kdm and install gdm |
| 18:51.05 | DeathWolf | which completly ... surprises me as it's a simple and efficient tool |
| 18:52.20 | doublehp | Can you advice me for some nice MP3 tag editors ? (plz no dep on KDE/gnome), one that could possibly accept to open file on D&D from filers. I am also looking for information about lyrics: is there a standard to store them in MP3 directories ? |
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| 18:53.35 | danners | hey i have a weird problem with screen: when i login per ssh under a screen session on a ubuntu host i can't open some apps like htop, it fails with a message like:error opening terminal: screen.linux has someone solved such a problem? |
| 18:53.35 | themill | DeathWolf: how weird. |
| 18:54.03 | Evan_ | miksuh: I'll try that |
| 18:54.45 | DeathWolf | themill: I'm guessing I'll have to compile it myself to see |
| 18:54.47 | doublehp | danners: when you are in a term that works fine, do ... echo $TERM ... it will print Foobar. When you are in the one that cond work, do ... export TERM=foobar |
| 18:54.54 | DeathWolf | but seein how the whole thing is 100MB+ this is going to take forever |
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| 18:55.50 | doublehp | danners: if it fixes, then, we will work a way to do that permanent. an easy and dirty way for this is to update the prompt RC file (bashrc or else ... ) |
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| 18:56.43 | asiatico66 | Ciao amici di #debian |
| 18:56.49 | danners | doublehp thanks that works |
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| 18:56.59 | asiatico66 | !lista |
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| 18:57.47 | danners | doublehp how can i put it in my .zshrc? |
| 18:57.56 | doublehp | danners: no clue |
| 18:58.02 | doublehp | danners: did it do it ? |
| 18:58.37 | hollywoodb | you can put "export TERM=foobar" in your .zshrc, if that's what you're asking |
| 18:58.54 | hollywoodb | (without the quotes) |
| 18:59.15 | danners | doublehp yes after exporting TERM=linux it works |
| 18:59.15 | Evan_ | miksuh: that didn't work either |
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| 18:59.40 | Evan_ | miksuh: still getting this error http://debian.pastebin.com/f7ef3e781 |
| 19:00.14 | nsadmin | judd versions libgtkmm-dev |
| 19:00.16 | judd | nsadmin: libgtkmm-dev -- etch: 1.2.10-8 lenny: 1.2.10-8.1 sid: 1.2.10-8.1 |
| 19:00.30 | danners | hollywoodb tried that but when i open a new screensession it says:export : 16 not valid in this context |
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| 19:01.02 | doublehp | danners: man zsh; google should help. |
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| 19:01.26 | hollywoodb | danners: what is the exact export line you added? |
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| 19:02.47 | danners | hollywoodb export $TERM=linux |
| 19:02.49 | ed | I used a weird fstab that missed out the fs type column and now when I mount the partition that I missed the fs type of, nothing is there :-( |
| 19:03.04 | ed | Whoa, and now there is in Slack, but there never is in Debian |
| 19:03.24 | hollywoodb | danners: remove the $... when you set the TERM environment variable you do not use the $. |
| 19:03.34 | ed | And yes, I did change my fstab |
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| 19:04.45 | danners | hollywoodb, doublehp thanks for you help, now it works :) |
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| 19:08.42 | gewt | how well will debian run on 64MB ram? |
| 19:08.58 | beol | as well as you wish |
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| 19:09.34 | nsadmin | all's well what wishes in a well |
| 19:09.44 | pickcoder | gewt: what do you want to do with it? |
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| 19:10.48 | gewt | pickcoder, apache + php and maybe just a few other things |
| 19:10.53 | ed | I used a silly fstab in debian in which I missed out the fs type of a partition and now it'll work in Slackware but not in Debian |
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| 19:11.14 | pickcoder | not on 64MB unless you have lots of swap and decent disk system |
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| 19:11.14 | bluevvv | anyone able to help me with firehol |
| 19:11.29 | flower | how do you give a file root permissions? |
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| 19:12.02 | babilen | flower: what do you mean by "root permissions" ? |
| 19:12.46 | flower | babilen: user root group root |
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| 19:13.52 | babilen | flower: 'chown root:root <FILE>' |
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| 19:14.00 | flower | k |
| 19:15.08 | bla_ | bluevvv, tell me |
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| 19:16.38 | nsadmin | that sorta does the opposite... instead of giving the file a permission, that's the file saying "root owne me" |
| 19:17.21 | DeathWolf | it seems like whoever maintains texlive decided to patch it to not build pdftosrc because of some unexpected dependencies... |
| 19:17.24 | DeathWolf | great |
| 19:17.31 | DeathWolf | so I get a nice regression. |
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| 19:17.49 | n-iCe | hi |
| 19:18.20 | n-iCe | Any good bluetooth manager? |
| 19:18.40 | nsadmin | !search |
| 19:18.40 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 19:18.50 | ed | I used a silly fstab in debian in which I missed out the fs type of a partition and now it'll work in Slackware but not in Debian |
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| 19:19.23 | n-iCe | nsadmin: I want a recommendation, that's why I am asking here :) |
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| 19:20.12 | nsadmin | DeathWolf get the debianized source, alter it so it does build the thing, rebuild the package, install that |
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| 19:21.00 | DeathWolf | nsadmin: already doing that:) |
| 19:21.06 | DeathWolf | but texlive is gigantic |
| 19:21.08 | DeathWolf | . |
| 19:21.37 | nsadmin | oh, tex? |
| 19:21.48 | nsadmin | isn't that even bigger than emacs? |
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| 19:22.18 | monstro | Hi folks, |
| 19:22.33 | monstro | How to change an window manager in debian? |
| 19:22.42 | nsadmin | could you install the -dev libs involved and just build the thing you want? |
| 19:23.19 | q00 | @monstro: you can change it with a login manager |
| 19:23.26 | DeathWolf | nsadmin: 100MB tgz'ed |
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| 19:23.48 | q00 | like kdm or gdm |
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| 19:24.33 | monstro | q00, Im need run the mode text and don't options! |
| 19:24.45 | simonrvn | nsadmin: yes, something like 150 MB |
| 19:24.48 | monstro | don't exist options in login manager |
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| 19:25.05 | simonrvn | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:25.06 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 19:25.33 | q00 | when you logout, you can choose the session |
| 19:26.10 | cr3rzemjest | why after assigment var=`ls -1` echo $var gives no new lines and echo "$var" does? |
| 19:26.11 | q00 | gnome, kde, openbox or sth. |
| 19:26.18 | monstro | simonrvn, don't is possible! the gnome restore the mode graphical! |
| 19:26.43 | monstro | and ctrl+backspace too |
| 19:26.56 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:27.12 | simonrvn | did you even try ctrl-alt-f1? i doubt it. |
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| 19:27.39 | cr3rzemjest | i has a quesjun |
| 19:27.45 | cr3rzemjest | ^ |
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| 19:29.03 | doublehp | Can you advice me for some nice MP3 tag editors ? (plz no dep on KDE/gnome), one that could possibly accept to open file on D&D from filers. I am also looking for information about lyrics: is there a standard to store them in MP3 directories ? |
| 19:29.05 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 19:29.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:29.23 | simonrvn | well, first it's safer to use "" around your variables in sh. second, it's probably directly interpreting the ls -1 instead of saving it. |
| 19:30.02 | doublehp | cr3rzemjest: /j #bash |
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| 19:31.58 | mhymn | doublehp: 'apt-cache search mp3 tag editor' |
| 19:32.19 | monstro | How to desinstall a packages in debian? |
| 19:32.30 | monstro | I m need desinstall the gnome! |
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| 19:32.44 | simonrvn | !tell monstro -about nodm |
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| 19:33.09 | Evan_ | Well I finally got it to give me a different error message |
| 19:33.13 | Evan_ | I guess thats a plus |
| 19:33.19 | monstro | simonrvn, what? |
| 19:33.20 | Evan_ | Anyone know about intel(0): ivch detect failed due to address mismatch (0 vs 2) |
| 19:33.23 | Evan_ | ? |
| 19:33.26 | doublehp | monstro: aptitude remove gnome |
| 19:34.03 | simonrvn | monstro: read what the bot told you |
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| 19:35.50 | lufthanza | i need some help with cron |
| 19:36.07 | lufthanza | for some reason, my user's cron is not working |
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| 19:37.33 | lufthanza | http://pastebin.com/m1490a394 < is the crontab entry for lufthanza |
| 19:37.35 | simonrvn | maybe your syntax is wrong, or the operation is. |
| 19:37.57 | lufthanza | it should mail me if that's true shouldn't it? |
| 19:38.34 | simonrvn | yes, unless you naively redirected all output to /dev/null, or have a blank EMAIL= |
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| 19:39.25 | lufthanza | the command isn't wrong, i tested it in bash and it worked perfectly |
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| 19:40.00 | simonrvn | well obviously cron isn't happy with it |
| 19:40.07 | pothibo | when I upgrade to lenny, I have an error with netatalk, it gives me exit with status 1 |
| 19:40.11 | pickcoder | MAILTO= |
| 19:40.15 | pothibo | any idea what's happening ? |
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| 19:40.36 | simonrvn | pickcoder: er yeh, thanks |
| 19:41.30 | pickcoder | lufthanza: if you want mail output of the cron job you should put MAILTO=<email> in the crontab |
| 19:41.48 | pickcoder | which has nothing to do with postfix |
| 19:41.55 | pickcoder | exim |
| 19:41.58 | pickcoder | or any other mta |
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| 19:42.09 | simonrvn | or gran'ma |
| 19:42.14 | lufthanza | still doesn't explain why crontab isn't running for user |
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| 19:43.25 | lufthanza | any ideas on that? |
| 19:43.34 | pickcoder | you didn't specify a user in the crontab |
| 19:43.38 | pickcoder | man 5 crontab |
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| 19:44.13 | lufthanza | shouldn't crontab -e from within lufthanza automatically specify lufthanza's crontab? |
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| 19:44.53 | pickcoder | no |
| 19:44.59 | pickcoder | -u <user> is for editing a user's crontab |
| 19:45.13 | simonrvn | you don't need -u if editing your own |
| 19:45.25 | pickcoder | if you are currently that user, right |
| 19:45.43 | mutante | is there a package to install a gpg keyserver? |
| 19:45.47 | simonrvn | that's what lufthanza meant :) |
| 19:45.57 | mutante | or what do i need to start one |
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| 19:46.30 | lufthanza | is there a cron group or something I'm not aware of? |
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| 19:47.01 | pickcoder | lufthanza: create a crontab with echo "blah" and put in a MAILTO=<your email> |
| 19:47.06 | pickcoder | if you get an email then cron is working |
| 19:47.12 | simonrvn | mutante: go see these guys keys.nayr.net |
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| 19:48.34 | maledictvm | Greetings. |
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| 19:49.30 | maledictvm | I am wondering if it was possible to build a wireless-router or access point out of an older laptop. |
| 19:49.46 | pickcoder | maledictvm: depends on the wireless chip |
| 19:49.48 | lufthanza | no messages. crontab is still not working |
| 19:49.52 | simonrvn | !TIAS |
| 19:49.52 | dpkg | from memory, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 19:50.03 | maledictvm | Intel Wireless 3945. |
| 19:50.39 | simonrvn | lufthanza: syslog --> cron running? |
| 19:50.42 | amphi | maledictvm: does the driver support master mode? if not, you could still use it as a router for an ad-hoc network |
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| 19:51.12 | maledictvm | As far as I remember it does, yes. |
| 19:51.41 | pickcoder | speaking of iwl3945 I wonder if JordiGH ever got debug turned off |
| 19:52.13 | pickcoder | hostap may work with it |
| 19:52.57 | maledictvm | There's not much harm done when it's not working, but I'd at least like to try, in order to have wireless on my balkony in summer. |
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| 19:53.36 | maledictvm | And I'm not fond enough of wlan to go out and buy a cheap router I'd only use occasionally. |
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| 19:53.55 | lufthanza | simonrvn: it shows it issueing the command, but nothing happens |
| 19:54.01 | maledictvm | pickcoder: hostap? Thanks, I'll see what I can find about it. :) |
| 19:54.06 | xst | I try to perform a "nslookup google.com" but get the following error message "** server can't find 'server: REFUSED" |
| 19:54.10 | xst | What to do |
| 19:54.13 | pickcoder | I found a comment about iwl3945 from back in 2007 |
| 19:54.27 | pickcoder | master mode wasn't enabled at that point |
| 19:55.40 | maledictvm | Maybe it was in ipw3945? |
| 19:55.40 | JarJarBinks | After fdisk I appearently need to reboot, for pvcreate to realize there is a new partition. However it seems installers don't have to reboot. Is there some way to flush the changes such that lvm recognizes them without a reboot. |
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| 19:55.54 | lufthanza | simonrvn: the command in the crontab works perfectly fine in the shelll |
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| 19:56.06 | simonrvn | JarJarBinks: because the installer isn't doing that to "itself", but something mounted. |
| 19:56.06 | pickcoder | nice split |
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| 19:56.14 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:56.39 | JarJarBinks | simonrvn: actually that makes sense :( |
| 19:57.14 | pickcoder | maledictvm: not into Pick are you by chance? |
| 19:57.20 | maledictvm | Pick? |
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| 19:57.30 | pickcoder | maledictvm: the thread I saw was regarding the new iwl project |
| 19:57.30 | JarJarBinks | any idea why mkfs doens't require a reboot after partitioning changes then? |
| 19:57.45 | pickcoder | maledictvm: just a coincidence then.. dict = dictionary vm = value mark |
| 19:57.52 | simonrvn | mkfs doesn't edit the partition table/map |
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| 19:58.11 | maledictvm | Actually it's latin. :) |
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| 19:58.39 | JarJarBinks | nope, but I use it right after fdisk, such as I use pvcreate right after fdisk. (am I missing some point?) |
| 19:59.27 | simonrvn | was it ever mounted previously? |
| 19:59.34 | simonrvn | that boot |
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| 19:59.48 | p0l0Na1sE | hello, which are some monochromatic icons for gnome, for visually impaired? |
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| 20:01.06 | JarJarBinks | simonrvn: I had an old volume group, at that partition (as logical), which I deleted. changed the partition to primary and wanted to greate a new volume group. |
| 20:01.32 | JarJarBinks | simonrvn: so yes the old vg was mounted previously |
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| 20:01.53 | simonrvn | hm, lvm involved... that changes things a bit |
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| 20:02.31 | simonrvn | the logical/primary/... won't matter, if the size didn't change. |
| 20:02.42 | JarJarBinks | it didn't |
| 20:04.32 | JarJarBinks | I'm trying to create a fully automatic installation with fai, and want it to create the lvm volumes as well. If it has to reboot think I"ll be in trouble. |
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| 20:06.15 | memnon | Hi! I have a ipw2100 intel wireless card. I get ipw2100: Fatal interrupt. Scheduling firmware restart. all the time. This bug seems to be known for quite a long time. Matthew Garrett suggests this: "Try D3ing the chip in the firmware restart code. Yes, it's retarded." I'd love to, but what does this mean? |
| 20:06.44 | Samuel-NotAFK | How do I list the dependancies in firefox-3.0 which aren't dependancies of Firefox-2? |
| 20:07.06 | antipivo | hello! I wont write ISO image, how soft need use for this task? |
| 20:07.27 | maledictvm | antipivo: command line or gui? |
| 20:08.16 | antipivo | maledictvm: KDE |
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| 20:08.29 | maledictvm | k3b should do the trick. |
| 20:08.39 | maledictvm | and even a few hundred more tricks. ;) |
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| 20:09.27 | memnon | antipivo: First google hit: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-applications/42352-how-do-i-burn-iso-image-kde.html |
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| 20:10.04 | antipivo | K3B can write DVD iso, but me need write CD iso |
| 20:10.29 | maledictvm | antipivo: K3b burns IS9660 (CD) images just fine. |
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| 20:10.43 | memnon | antipivo: It should burn cd iso's |
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| 20:11.45 | memnon | Again: Does anyone know what "D3 the chip in the firmware restart code" could mean? (wireless card) |
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| 20:15.03 | memnon | Okay, I'll ask on the list. |
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| 20:16.28 | antipivo | memnon: You right!! senx |
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| 20:22.26 | monstro | How to force remove a package in debian? |
| 20:23.05 | dondelelcaro | monstro: aptitude remove foopkg; |
| 20:23.19 | dondelelcaro | monstro: if you have an error with that, you fix the error and/or file a bug |
| 20:23.47 | monstro | dondelelcaro, Im don't use it! |
| 20:23.57 | monstro | don't use aptute! |
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| 20:24.07 | monstro | *aptitude |
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| 20:24.41 | dondelelcaro | monstro: so use apt-get or whatever you do use |
| 20:24.51 | monstro | what is syntax? |
| 20:24.57 | monstro | apt-get ... ? |
| 20:25.01 | dondelelcaro | monstro: apt-get remove foopkg; |
| 20:26.00 | monstro | dondelelcaro, thanks xD |
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| 20:31.13 | chris081 | hi. this is me again. I was reading some stuff about 'how to install', and i readed the following: in a shell window, type bash FILENAME.bin. The installation process's gonna start. Is it the same way to install with different extension name. For example, my java binary file was a .bin, and my netbeans is a .sh |
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| 20:31.43 | chris081 | don't i need to re-compile the kernel ? and performs a makedep ? |
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| 20:34.48 | chris081 | !ping |
| 20:34.48 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:35.27 | S-i-A | :) |
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| 20:37.15 | lolufail | hi! |
| 20:37.38 | SQlvpapir | when my cpu scales, will the avg loads change? |
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| 20:37.56 | lolufail | what's the easiest way to forward system mails to root or whomever to my googlemail account? probably via SMTP with auth |
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| 20:40.28 | mikeifying | hey does anyone know of a program that will let me make phoncalls form my computer on debian my friend said he had it installed but doesnt remember the name |
| 20:40.38 | Tekno | skype |
| 20:41.03 | mikeifying | nah he didnt have to pay said it was one of the poackages that came with etch |
| 20:41.11 | dondelelcaro | monstro: ekiga |
| 20:41.16 | mikeifying | thjank youu |
| 20:41.23 | seldon | lolufail: /etc/aliases, plus (possibly) whatever mechanism your MTA uses to access it, such as postalias for postfix. |
| 20:41.25 | dondelelcaro | (there are a couple others that use sip) |
| 20:41.30 | monstro | dondelelcaro, what? |
| 20:41.39 | dondelelcaro | monstro: should have been mikeifying |
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| 20:43.39 | chris081 | someone can please tell me how can i retreive my kernel version? please ?? |
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| 20:43.47 | dondelelcaro | chris081: uname -r |
| 20:43.55 | chris081 | thanks |
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| 21:00.50 | mustard | Hi. I'm trying to compile an old version of dvgrab to try and get my camcorder working. the ./configure fails looking for libavc1394/avc1394.h - but I have just installed libavc1394-dev and that has the header file. Do I need to do anything else so that it's picked up by ./configure? |
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| 21:07.22 | judgen | When was Woody completed? |
| 21:08.40 | raz0 | That's ages ago. Wikipedia has an article over Debian releases I think. |
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| 21:09.40 | stone1961 | how does it happen my debian starts in console mode with twm as windowmanager? |
| 21:09.53 | miksuh | judgen: : several years ago |
| 21:10.05 | judgen | miksuh i know that. But how many? |
| 21:10.34 | miksuh | judd: Woody was 3.0, Sarge 3.1, Etch 4.0 and lenny will be 5.0. So yes, several years ago |
| 21:10.35 | judd | miksuh: Error: "Woody" is not a valid command. |
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| 21:10.44 | miksuh | judd: well wait a bit |
| 21:10.45 | judd | miksuh: Error: "well" is not a valid command. |
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| 21:11.08 | miksuh | argh :D |
| 21:11.18 | judgen | I have a computer here running Potato. |
| 21:11.27 | judgen | Thats pretty old i guess. |
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| 21:12.12 | miksuh | judgen: Woody was rleased 2002 |
| 21:12.20 | miksuh | released |
| 21:12.24 | nickgaw | Is there a way to retreve all -dev packages for all packages or libraries I have on my system as I have build-essential installed but every time I want to compile a program I have to hunt down libraries. |
| 21:12.33 | judgen | miksuh thanks |
| 21:12.40 | judgen | Not very old. |
| 21:13.30 | miksuh | Potato which you say you are using was released in 2000 |
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| 21:13.50 | lolufail | is it possible to use ssmtp with /etc/aliases ? |
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| 21:14.01 | memnon | and remained stable for a *looong* time :) |
| 21:14.05 | miksuh | judd: why are you using that old version? |
| 21:14.06 | judd | miksuh: Error: "why" is not a valid command. |
| 21:14.16 | miksuh | argh damn nick completion |
| 21:14.29 | miksuh | judgen: why are you using that old version? |
| 21:14.30 | lolufail | ssmtp works flawlessly... mail some@adress.com works, using my smtp server :D but if I "mail root", I obviously wont get the mail |
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| 21:14.41 | Guerin | nickgaw: you can use apt-get's build-dep command, or (better) you can use peter samuelson's aptitude build-dep hack on p12n.org |
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| 21:15.00 | Guerin | (presuming aptitude doesn't yet have build-dep capability |
| 21:15.01 | Guerin | ) |
| 21:15.24 | judgen | miksuh its still does what i want out of it. and i have newer computers running newer software |
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| 21:16.09 | memnon | judgen: But security support is not granted for that version. So you should not be online with it, right? |
| 21:16.26 | rdz | hi all. when i press <enter>, i would like telnet to send only byte value 10, not '13 10'. how could that be achieved? probably i could tweak the terminal to send only '10' on pressing <enter>? |
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| 21:16.59 | nickgaw | so for every program I want to compile with debian I have to do apt-get build-dep program name, there is no way just to get all of the none X packages and development libraries or not all of them just the main ones? |
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| 21:18.45 | miksuh | judgen: yep, securioty support for the potato ended years ago |
| 21:18.50 | miksuh | security |
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| 21:20.57 | judgen | its not connected to the internet. so its not a big deal. miksuh |
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| 21:21.13 | judgen | it only runs on local lan |
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| 21:22.19 | chris081 | ey, i'm getting informations on the web using my web browser. As my brain isn't a computer (and it is far to be one!) i can't retain everything. So i putted the results in a .txt file. I'm currently under windows. If i put the .txt file on a floppy drive, will i be able to read it correctly from my debian? and does the file charset will be ok? (i mean, if there is é for example, in the win .txt file, will it appears as an é while reading it in |
| 21:22.20 | judgen | 266mhz Pentium MMX =) |
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| 21:23.05 | judgen | chris081 yes debian can read fat from floppies |
| 21:23.08 | mordy | hey, what do i do about this? i'm trying to reinstall all packages on my system, but both aptitude reinstall '~i' and when using --force-confmiss i get "I was not able to find the files for <package>. You might have to fix this package manually" |
| 21:23.23 | PachecoJ | I'm trying to install a package that requires an older version of libc6 than I have. It is just a minor version or two older and I'm sure it would work with my version. Do I have to install the older version of libc6 or is there a way around it? |
| 21:23.39 | judgen | chris081 wouldnt it be better to email yourself that text file then you can access it anywhere in the world. |
| 21:23.55 | mordy | of course if this were only one package i could just remove it and reinstall it manually, but since this is happening with a different package each time i remove the problematic one, i'm at a loss |
| 21:24.05 | chris081 | would be, but i'm not able to use internet with debian |
| 21:24.40 | chris081 | got some problems while installing the network cards driver, so i forgot it |
| 21:25.18 | miksuh | PachecoJ: Don't tryu that. You woud most likely brake the whole system |
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| 21:25.22 | monstro | Hi all, |
| 21:25.30 | monstro | Where I find the thermcap for Debian? |
| 21:25.39 | PachecoJ | miksuh, I could install two versions of libc6 in parallel, but I would rather not have to do that |
| 21:26.01 | monstro | it is a lib of the asterisk I m need it |
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| 21:26.46 | miksuh | asterisk is in th debian repository |
| 21:26.50 | judgen | Hehe i remember Stallman talking about dependency hell with Windows... now its about the same with linux. |
| 21:27.30 | Lord^Anubis | you mean debian |
| 21:27.38 | miksuh | PachecoJ: install asterisk from debian repository using synaptic/apt-get/aptitude |
| 21:28.03 | miksuh | you don't need to install older libc6 then |
| 21:28.17 | PachecoJ | miksuh: it won't let me install the package |
| 21:28.26 | PachecoJ | says wrong version of libc6 is installed |
| 21:28.45 | miksuh | What's in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:28.56 | miksuh | pastebin it |
| 21:29.02 | PachecoJ | standard |
| 21:29.07 | PachecoJ | the package I am installing is outside the Debian repository. It is in the rareware repo |
| 21:29.08 | miksuh | don't think so |
| 21:29.14 | miksuh | it's standard |
| 21:29.28 | PachecoJ | I commented out my /etc/apt/sources.list and put in the rareware repos to install lame |
| 21:29.33 | miksuh | then why don't you install that asterisk from debian repo? |
| 21:29.41 | PachecoJ | I am not installing asterisk |
| 21:29.44 | PachecoJ | that is somebody else |
| 21:29.52 | PachecoJ | I am installing the rareware lame package |
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| 21:30.01 | miksuh | ah sorry |
| 21:30.06 | miksuh | it was monstro |
| 21:30.28 | miksuh | So forget that :) |
| 21:31.30 | PachecoJ | why can't you just tell apt to ignore deps? |
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| 21:33.08 | miksuh | PachecoJ: you can find lame from the Debian-multimedia.org |
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| 21:34.11 | nickgaw | if I am using unstable what line do I add for debian-multimedia.org to work properly? |
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| 21:35.46 | memnon | nickgaw: Thats on the first page, isn't it? |
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| 21:36.13 | rizza | Does anyone have a status report on Lenny? |
| 21:36.36 | Gigantic | !tell lenny status to rizza |
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| 21:36.48 | miksuh | nickgaw: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 21:36.51 | miksuh | or |
| 21:36.58 | miksuh | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main |
| 21:37.00 | Gigantic | slaps dpkg |
| 21:37.09 | miksuh | both do work |
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| 21:37.30 | Gigantic | rizza: /msg dpkg lenny stats |
| 21:37.48 | simonrvn | tell foo about bar |
| 21:37.52 | memnon | miksuh: Or just: Read http://www.debian-multimedia.org. It's on the first page! |
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| 21:38.03 | miksuh | memnon: yep |
| 21:38.05 | psai` | hi #debian |
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| 21:38.37 | psai` | got some problems with madwifi |
| 21:38.54 | miksuh | nickgaw: after you have added line to sources.list thn run this: |
| 21:38.55 | stoned | simonrvn, my latest creation, would you like to see it |
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| 21:39.04 | psai` | i have installed madwifi with modules assistant |
| 21:39.08 | simonrvn | busy atm |
| 21:39.14 | mordy | hey stoned |
| 21:39.23 | psai` | i should see ath0 but i only see wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 21:39.27 | miksuh | # aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring |
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| 21:39.38 | stoned | simonrvn, http://stoned.pastebin.com/d1da37b5a <- just got the code done for the keyword research tool I'm writing for my SEO |
| 21:39.42 | psai` | is this correct ? |
| 21:39.51 | stoned | simonrvn, heh, bleh, be unbusy! |
| 21:39.54 | stoned | miksuh, hi |
| 21:39.57 | stoned | mordy, hi |
| 21:40.01 | miksuh | hi |
| 21:40.35 | nullboy | hey i've look around the debian mirrors for a ps3 port that is more or less recent. the only thing i have found so far is from ~2007 called Debian Live for PS3 |
| 21:40.37 | stoned | I started thinking, why should I have to do repetetive shizboo, or buy a program for keyword research that costs a lot, just make my own and interface with the google api |
| 21:40.40 | stoned | =D |
| 21:40.48 | stoned | !ps3 |
| 21:40.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ps3 is a video game console. The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 80gb, with companies currently developing 200gb discs. It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's. debian live for ps3 is at http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live -- you can easily try and install Debian GNU/Linux on PS3 with this single CD, or #PS3Linux |
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| 21:41.01 | stoned | hmm.. then thats about it as far as debian goes |
| 21:41.02 | nullboy | so that's the best bet? |
| 21:41.06 | stoned | I'm not sure |
| 21:41.22 | stoned | ask in the channel mentioned inthe factoid |
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| 21:41.59 | rizza | anyone have backround in doing debian jeos style |
| 21:42.41 | rizza | for virtual machines |
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| 21:43.10 | nowhereman | hey, i really need help -> I'm upgrading to lenny, and when trying to update mysql, I noticed the running mysqld cant be stoped, it just says "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!", I cant find any other debug output, what can I do? |
| 21:43.17 | Gigantic | !jump |
| 21:43.17 | dpkg | How high? |
| 21:43.20 | Gigantic | !high |
| 21:43.20 | dpkg | howghdy |
| 21:43.51 | Gigantic | nowhereman: nothing in the logs? |
| 21:44.25 | Gigantic | sounds like a prfectly normally runing mysql to me tho |
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| 21:44.28 | Gigantic | ducks |
| 21:44.37 | mordy | ROTFL |
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| 21:44.44 | rizza | manuelly stop sql |
| 21:45.59 | simonrvn | nowhereman: is it running when it's being stopped? |
| 21:46.07 | nowhereman | yes |
| 21:46.11 | nowhereman | I can kill it |
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| 21:46.20 | nowhereman | but next time the same thing happens |
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| 21:47.01 | simonrvn | try restarting it, then do the update again |
| 21:47.10 | Toast | Have there been any updates to etch lately which may have upset remove X connections? I'm getting a lot of "X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)" from one of my apps. |
| 21:47.20 | Toast | s/remove/remote |
| 21:47.22 | Gigantic | isn't there a mysqladmin or something? |
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| 21:47.35 | simonrvn | Gigantic: that's not going to help |
| 21:47.50 | Skiessi | why doesn't apt-get install the packages already downloaded while still downloading the others? is it just to prevent fragmenting? |
| 21:48.06 | Gigantic | I'm used to Postgre and you can tell the server itself to terminate, must be something alike in Mysql |
| 21:48.29 | Gigantic | maybe #mysql ? |
| 21:49.11 | PachecoJ | does the order of entries in sources.list dictate precedence? |
| 21:49.14 | miksuh | Skiessi: that could eg. lead to broken system with dependency problems |
| 21:49.21 | PachecoJ | I'm assuming it does |
| 21:49.29 | Skiessi | ...righy |
| 21:49.35 | Skiessi | *right |
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| 21:49.52 | Gigantic | PachecoJ: yes |
| 21:50.24 | Skiessi | didn't think of that |
| 21:51.05 | rizza | zarafa users around? |
| 21:51.21 | miksuh | Skiessi: just imagine what would hhappen if there is suddenly some network problems while apt-get is still downloading and installing at the same time |
| 21:51.56 | miksuh | Skiessi: it's better to first download all required packages an then start installing |
| 21:52.34 | Skiessi | yeah :P |
| 21:52.54 | stoned | yeah baby |
| 21:52.59 | PachecoJ | so here is something strange... why, when I add debian-multimedia.org to sources.list and mark all packages for upgrade in Synaptic, does it mark one package for removal? |
| 21:53.01 | Skiessi | :d |
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| 21:53.06 | PachecoJ | specifically libconfhelper-perl |
| 21:53.16 | stoned | penguim, do not use synaptic |
| 21:53.19 | stoned | please |
| 21:53.21 | PachecoJ | all I did was add debian-multimedia.org as the first entry in sources.list |
| 21:53.22 | stoned | PachecoJ, you |
| 21:53.39 | stoned | PachecoJ, don't use synaptic, go aptitude install mplayer or aptitude upgrade |
| 21:53.44 | \amethyst | PachecoJ: aptitude why-not libconfhelper-perl |
| 21:54.00 | stoned | but eitherway, please stop using synaptic |
| 21:54.03 | stoned | its garbage |
| 21:54.25 | PachecoJ | that doesn't really answer my question at all |
| 21:54.26 | stoned | aptitude has just an easy to use ui interface in ncurses and it is much better than synaptic |
| 21:54.43 | stoned | PachecoJ, no it dosn't, however it is purely good natures and sound advice |
| 21:54.51 | PachecoJ | duly noted |
| 21:55.05 | \amethyst | PachecoJ: debian-multimedia.org has their own mplayer package |
| 21:55.28 | stoned | PachecoJ, also, I have given you a solution :) so to speak |
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| 21:55.30 | \amethyst | PachecoJ: their mplayer package, unlike Debian's, Conflicts: with libconfhelper-perl |
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| 21:55.55 | stoned | hmm |
| 21:55.58 | PachecoJ | conflicts with it? or doesn't require it? |
| 21:56.02 | \amethyst | PachecoJ: and since the d-mm version of mplayer has a higher version number than Debian's, it is being selected to install |
| 21:56.06 | \amethyst | PachecoJ: conflicts |
| 21:56.13 | stoned | \amethyst, hi |
| 21:56.23 | stoned | tw |
| 21:56.25 | stoned | btw* |
| 21:56.26 | \amethyst | stoned: 'ello |
| 21:56.46 | stoned | man coding all day im tired my eyes hurt and i got a headache |
| 21:56.57 | \amethyst | "man coding" huh? |
| 21:56.59 | stoned | but I gotta input my usual 2-4 hours of daily support here |
| 21:57.01 | \amethyst | :) |
| 21:57.08 | stoned | then I can finally sleep |
| 21:57.10 | stoned | heh |
| 21:57.14 | Toast | Bbrbrrrrrrr my loft is cold! At least I know the app runs ok from a local console. |
| 21:57.26 | stoned | Toast, ? |
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| 21:57.42 | memnon | Toast: Where are you, Russia ;)? |
| 21:57.50 | stoned | \amethyst, yeh, am developing an app to help me do SEO stuff |
| 21:57.50 | Toast | stoned: England :) |
| 21:58.00 | stoned | yeh thats nothing |
| 21:58.14 | stoned | I'm in new york and its raining ice here |
| 21:58.18 | stoned | well kinda |
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| 21:58.51 | Toast | If you are going out in ice rain, you dress for it. If your just popping into the loft, you don't... then you get cold! |
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| 21:59.59 | memnon | Hey guys, stop bitching about cold weather: My flat is heated with coal. I get +13 C at the most these days. But the fire is great :) |
| 22:00.36 | miksuh | +13?? hhhrrr |
| 22:01.05 | memnon | Well Berlin was pretty cold a few days ago: -20 |
| 22:01.18 | Toast | I've got a program that's suddenly stopped working over an X connection. I get loads of errors one the console and everything renders badly. I've ruled out the client machine, and I havent updated the app lately, so I'm trying to see if anything has changed in etch recently which could have upset it. |
| 22:01.44 | miksuh | here too something like -13C (Espoo, finland) but insdide it's something like 21C :) |
| 22:01.46 | Toast | I think it was -7 around here last week. -10 in some parts. |
| 22:01.50 | miksuh | inside |
| 22:02.08 | miksuh | in my flat |
| 22:02.14 | memnon | Well, I've got a blanket :) |
| 22:02.45 | Toast | Has anyone ever seen errors like X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)? |
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| 22:03.20 | Toast | I see some hits on google for the string, but they're not helping me much. |
| 22:04.28 | mngrif | can someone be kind enough to link me some information on building a metapackage? |
| 22:04.39 | miksuh | here it looks like that in monday there is no snow at all anymore :P it was quite old yesterday, but now it's raining water and +3C outside :P |
| 22:05.02 | miksuh | yet another "winter" with almost no snow at all :P |
| 22:05.13 | miksuh | old = cold |
| 22:05.47 | miksuh | yesterday was still that -13C.. |
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| 22:07.31 | stoned | mngrif, yeh |
| 22:07.35 | stoned | !equivs |
| 22:07.35 | dpkg | somebody said equivs was a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 22:07.43 | stoned | you mean like this? |
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| 22:08.00 | stoned | for this purpose |
| 22:08.02 | mngrif | nope, i want to install a single package and have it pull in a bunch of other packages |
| 22:08.34 | stoned | http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/blends/ap-QuickIntro.en.html |
| 22:08.39 | stoned | i hate you people |
| 22:08.56 | stoned | stop making me dig into my bookmarks or I'll go apeshoz |
| 22:09.00 | nick4 | After I change my IP from DHCP to static (by editing /etc/network/interfaces), how do I enable the changes? I am not asking what are the correct setting but how do I enable changes. I tried /etc/init.d/networking restart and changing to init 1 but they didn't worked. The only option I have is to restart Debian. Is there a faster way? |
| 22:09.00 | stoned | aaaaaargh |
| 22:09.05 | mngrif | we hate you too |
| 22:09.07 | stoned | mngrif, check this link :) |
| 22:09.12 | mngrif | thanks, this is what i needed :) |
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| 22:09.15 | stoned | yw |
| 22:09.43 | stoned | nick4, yeh |
| 22:09.51 | stoned | nick4, why don't you bring the iface down and then up |
| 22:10.00 | memnon | should build a link database for irc :) and stop googling for each interesting question |
| 22:10.07 | stoned | nick4, afaik, if you don't have auto in your eth line in interfaces file |
| 22:10.17 | stoned | it will not be affected by /etc/init.d/networking |
| 22:10.24 | nick4 | wait let me see |
| 22:10.25 | stoned | nick4, sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0 |
| 22:10.27 | stoned | etc. |
| 22:11.11 | stoned | or alias restartiface='sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0' |
| 22:11.16 | stoned | figure something out |
| 22:11.47 | stoned | is a promoter of sudo |
| 22:11.59 | memnon | okay, why? |
| 22:12.13 | nick4 | stoned ok so I 'ifconfig eth0 down' and then 'ifconfig eth0 up' and after that I get the static IP I state in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:12.13 | stoned | I'm not really sure |
| 22:12.22 | memnon | I still have a single root shell open all the time and use it only for special commands |
| 22:12.26 | nick4 | sudo make me a sandwitch , that's why :P |
| 22:12.30 | stoned | nick4, seriuosly, I don't wanna be a dick to you |
| 22:12.33 | stoned | so I'm not going to be |
| 22:12.37 | stoned | but I'll just say this |
| 22:12.45 | nick4 | it's from xkcd |
| 22:12.49 | stoned | nick4, pay more attention to what you've been told. |
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| 22:13.33 | nick4 | stoned oh? I thought ifdown eth0 was the same as ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:13.35 | stoned | nick4, specifically ifdown/ifup |
| 22:13.43 | nick4 | okey, I see |
| 22:13.44 | memnon | nick4: no! |
| 22:13.52 | stoned | nick4, if it is, in my 14 years of linux I've never knew of it |
| 22:13.57 | stoned | so I dunno man |
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| 22:14.19 | nkuttler | nick4: man interfaces |
| 22:14.31 | stoned | its a config, man 5 |
| 22:14.32 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:14.36 | stoned | doesn't matter though |
| 22:14.42 | nick4 | okey I am going to try this but I need to log-off IRC |
| 22:14.44 | nick4 | be riiight back |
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| 22:14.56 | mngrif | *crickets* |
| 22:15.04 | stoned | I like cricket |
| 22:15.10 | stoned | I have not played since I left pakistan |
| 22:15.15 | mngrif | i have never seen or played the game |
| 22:15.23 | stoned | its cool |
| 22:15.29 | stoned | maybe i should make an open source cricket game |
| 22:15.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:15.49 | mngrif | eh, i'm a geek, i am to sports as paris hilton is to windows |
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| 22:16.06 | stoned | I been skateboarding since I was 8, Im 27 now |
| 22:16.08 | stoned | :) |
| 22:16.13 | mngrif | awesome :) |
| 22:16.22 | stoned | I played for jr. vasity football for broadmoor high in baton rouge louisiana in like 97 |
| 22:16.29 | stoned | 9th and 10th grades |
| 22:16.58 | mngrif | my HS football team wanted me to play for them sooo bad... i had this way of knocking people out of the way in the halls |
| 22:17.00 | stoned | then I was taking all honors classes so I didn't join varcity team |
| 22:17.23 | stoned | then in jr. year i dropped out got a ged, went to college |
| 22:17.28 | stoned | saved 2 years! |
| 22:18.04 | stoned | anyway |
| 22:18.16 | mngrif | heheh, i didn't shave off any time, but i social engineered my entire senior year. i just bullshitted everything and still passed |
| 22:18.16 | stoned | before we get yelled at for offtopic |
| 22:18.21 | stoned | we can chit chat in #debian-chat |
| 22:18.24 | stoned | if you please |
| 22:18.29 | mngrif | ooooh, that exists? |
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| 22:18.33 | stoned | indeed it does |
| 22:18.40 | mngrif | it's been years since i've been on freenode (3, according to nickserv) |
| 22:18.47 | stoned | heh, welcome bac |
| 22:18.51 | stoned | and debian user, nice |
| 22:18.54 | stoned | respek |
| 22:18.58 | mngrif | w0rd :D |
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| 22:19.06 | bsund | if I do a normal install which kernel(type) modules do I need? |
| 22:19.14 | stoned | bsund, come again? |
| 22:19.23 | bsund | http://packages.debian.org/search?lang=sv&searchon=names&keywords=rt73 <-- Check this |
| 22:19.26 | stoned | stock kernels is loaded with drivers |
| 22:19.39 | stoned | just pick the one for yoru arch |
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| 22:20.07 | bsund | is that 486 686 or x86-bigmem |
| 22:20.09 | valdyn | bsund: it works like that: aptitude install <drivername>-$(uname -r) |
| 22:20.40 | valdyn | bsund: which makes for rt72 : apt-get install rt72-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 22:20.40 | stoned | if you click on it it will give you package deails and tell you whcih archs the package works for |
| 22:20.43 | stoned | its very easy |
| 22:20.46 | valdyn | bsund: the rest is autmagic |
| 22:20.50 | bsund | valdyn: if you use debian perhaps.. also it requires to have internet when installed |
| 22:21.04 | valdyn | bsund: uh, indeed |
| 22:21.10 | bsund | which is why I ask this question |
| 22:21.15 | stoned | you have no internet? |
| 22:21.22 | Caelum2 | I did echo mem > /sys/power/state how do I bring the machine back up now? |
| 22:21.23 | bsund | I need those to get internet working |
| 22:21.26 | stoned | on that box, cuz of this networking? |
| 22:21.27 | valdyn | bsund: i guess -686 is default, but i dont know |
| 22:21.28 | bsund | only wireless |
| 22:21.38 | valdyn | bsund: maybe its -486 |
| 22:21.41 | Toast | That's just cheating... I tried to run a svncviewer on a remote machine, expecting it to send the desktop to me via X, and it opened it on another virtual console! |
| 22:21.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 22:22.04 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a DNS tunneling daemon that does NOT require tun/tap devices? |
| 22:22.23 | valdyn | Toast: s stands for svga ? |
| 22:22.26 | HardDisk_WP | (or alternatively, a VPN daemon which does not need tun/tap devices) |
| 22:22.43 | Toast | valdyn: I didn't need a lot of resolution :) |
| 22:22.54 | Toast | I'm trying the x one now. |
| 22:23.16 | mngrif | HardDisk_WP: so far i've only seen vpn daemons that use tun/tap |
| 22:24.08 | HardDisk_WP | Caelum2, power it on? |
| 22:24.18 | HardDisk_WP | mngrif, yeah, me2, but do you know sth. about dns tunnel? |
| 22:24.25 | HardDisk_WP | somethin like a socks-proxy-over dns |
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| 22:24.53 | bsund | debian is nice if you don't always go so f*cking deep in politics.. |
| 22:25.02 | bsund | is mad and sad |
| 22:25.03 | mngrif | HardDisk_WP: nope, i have root on all my firewalls :) |
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| 22:25.10 | Toast | Just going to have to brave the loft and run this locally :( |
| 22:25.22 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: why dont you use port mapping instead? |
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| 22:26.14 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ? |
| 22:26.16 | HardDisk_WP | that means? |
| 22:26.26 | bsund | what is .udeb? |
| 22:26.36 | HardDisk_WP | I want to use internet on local McD, which provides DNS CNAME lookups |
| 22:26.40 | valdyn | bsund: simplified deb as used by the debian installer |
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| 22:26.48 | HardDisk_WP | but my server is a vserver, not allowing tun/tap devices |
| 22:27.10 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i dont get why you think you need a tunnel at all |
| 22:27.20 | valdyn | !port mapping |
| 22:27.27 | valdyn | !port forwarding |
| 22:27.27 | dpkg | well, port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See <transparent proxy> and <port forward> for more information. |
| 22:27.43 | HardDisk_WP | does this work over DNS? |
| 22:27.45 | z_ | I'm upgrading to unstable, should I be worried about upgrading errors? i.e. config files from testing that aren't erased, and just stuff from testing that i don't need anymore that dpkg doesn't clean up |
| 22:27.57 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: over? you mean *for* dns? |
| 22:27.59 | HardDisk_WP | that is the only way to get any transfer at McD without paying, same for my school |
| 22:28.04 | stoned | z_, why are you doing this? |
| 22:28.08 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ever heard of DNS tunneling? |
| 22:28.12 | mngrif | valdyn: you can tunnel tcp in dns requests |
| 22:28.15 | bsund | valdyn: but it handles like a normal .deb? |
| 22:28.15 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.dnstunnel.de/ |
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| 22:28.20 | z_ | stoned: because I'm a sucker for up to date software |
| 22:28.23 | stoned | !tell z_ -about dnuts |
| 22:28.28 | stoned | !tell z_ -about sig upgrade |
| 22:28.32 | stoned | !tell z_ -about sid upgrade |
| 22:28.43 | stoned | z_, read those first, then come back and ask your questions |
| 22:28.47 | z_ | ok. |
| 22:28.47 | valdyn | bsund: i cant tell you what precisely is missing |
| 22:28.48 | woden | Hey, is there a way to install minimal GNOME....just the official parts of GNOME proper? |
| 22:28.54 | bsund | valdyn: That is you install like you do with .deb? |
| 22:28.55 | stoned | z_, I'd be happy to answer. |
| 22:28.57 | valdyn | bsund: ... in those udebs |
| 22:29.07 | stoned | !tell woden -about install gnome |
| 22:29.09 | valdyn | bsund: no, the installer uses udebs, not users |
| 22:29.14 | stoned | woden, read this, it tells you the package names |
| 22:29.33 | valdyn | bsund: its a deb without preinst / postinst scripts and/or dependency information.. soemthing like that |
| 22:30.21 | bsund | valdyn: so it's like only information to fetch the stuff? |
| 22:30.27 | stoned | basically |
| 22:30.47 | valdyn | bsund: no... |
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| 22:30.58 | stoned | valdyn, you're talking about meta packages? |
| 22:31.03 | valdyn | stoned: no |
| 22:31.08 | stoned | oh nm then |
| 22:31.09 | bsund | udebs |
| 22:31.15 | valdyn | bsund: udeb is like a deb, but some things are stripped |
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| 22:31.26 | valdyn | bsund: the actual software is still in |
| 22:31.43 | stoned | oh nm, I think I'm coming with with dyslexia |
| 22:31.56 | bsund | valdyn: thanks :) |
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| 22:32.14 | valdyn | bsund: you cant dpkg -i it. |
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| 22:32.24 | stoned | valdyn, which time are you in? |
| 22:32.27 | smacnay | For a small network of various OS's, would bacula be the back up software of choice? |
| 22:32.31 | vladi | hi, how can i mask packages like fglrx from being updated? |
| 22:32.32 | valdyn | stoned: cet |
| 22:32.34 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:32.40 | stoned | 11:30pm |
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| 22:32.48 | bsund | valdyn: ya :) thanks I think I will manage now, sorry for the flames |
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| 22:33.05 | mngrif | smacnay: bacula gave me a headache so i'm going with rsync |
| 22:33.06 | stoned | vladi, /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:33.16 | simonrvn | !tell vladi -about hold |
| 22:33.21 | stoned | !lose simonrvn |
| 22:33.21 | dpkg | simonrvn: You Lose. |
| 22:33.23 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:33.57 | mngrif | simonrvn... now that's a name i remember |
| 22:34.06 | vladi | simonrvn, stoned thanks |
| 22:34.10 | stoned | man, simonrvn is the shit |
| 22:34.10 | simonrvn | i remember you too. hi |
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| 22:34.18 | smacnay | mngrif: thanks for the tip |
| 22:34.31 | stoned | !simonrvn++ |
| 22:34.43 | mngrif | yeah, IIRC, simonrvn taught me all i needed to know about debian just by idling |
| 22:34.54 | stoned | yes |
| 22:35.05 | stoned | he is a good man, he has helped me with manyt hings, technical and personal |
| 22:35.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:35.13 | mngrif | :D |
| 22:35.16 | simonrvn | wanders off |
| 22:35.30 | stoned | be blessed my friend |
| 22:35.33 | hrp32 | speaking of personal things............ |
| 22:35.35 | stoned | be blessed |
| 22:35.46 | hrp32 | what does "channel filler" mean on IRC? |
| 22:35.53 | stoned | beats me |
| 22:36.01 | hrp32 | tx |
| 22:36.07 | stoned | I guess idle robot nicknames to fill up a channel in irc |
| 22:36.11 | stoned | I dunno |
| 22:36.19 | woden | I want to ask a question about the release of Etch. What is a good way to phrase the question so that it accurately and precisely conveys the meaning of the question? |
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| 22:36.28 | bsund | valdyn: whoops.. I thought you wrote you can install it with dpkg |
| 22:36.29 | woden | *Lenny, not Etch |
| 22:36.33 | stoned | !tell woden -about ask |
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| 22:36.41 | stoned | woden, use this format as a question asking template |
| 22:36.44 | stoned | !tell woden -about sicco |
| 22:36.47 | woden | stoned: Gee thanks |
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| 22:37.03 | stoned | woden, also read this for a general overview of irc support quetions |
| 22:37.13 | stoned | woden, yw |
| 22:37.14 | hrp32 | rtch and half! be specific! |
| 22:37.18 | mngrif | in all my years, i've never seen a question like that before... |
| 22:37.21 | hrp32 | etch and half! be specific! |
| 22:37.36 | woden | stoned: About when will Lenny become Stable? |
| 22:37.42 | memnon | argh! |
| 22:37.44 | hrp32 | a time for all things, eh? |
| 22:37.46 | simonrvn | !smart questions |
| 22:37.46 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 22:37.46 | stoned | woden, that will remain to be a mystery |
| 22:37.49 | woden | mngrif: who's question? |
| 22:37.58 | mngrif | woden: your's |
| 22:38.02 | stoned | woden, lenny is almost stable, and very useable |
| 22:38.05 | woden | mngrif: In a bad way or a good way? |
| 22:38.10 | mngrif | both :) |
| 22:38.13 | woden | lol |
| 22:38.13 | stoned | woden, /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 22:38.16 | bsund | but seriously... I finally got the firmware.. kernel should handle rest? |
| 22:38.23 | stoned | woden, also, it comes out when it comes out we dunno |
| 22:38.32 | memnon | woden: Why are you asking? |
| 22:38.37 | valdyn | bsund: try hotplugging the thing |
| 22:38.43 | woden | I know if I come in here and ask about the release time of Lenny, people will jump on me if I phrase the question in even the slightest way that is less than accurate or precise... |
| 22:38.46 | valdyn | bsund: dmesg will inform you about firmware issues |
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| 22:39.01 | simonrvn | woden: just ask it |
| 22:39.06 | memnon | woden: Do you consider switching? |
| 22:39.16 | woden | Because I want to wait for Lenny to be stable in order to install it on my hard drive.... |
| 22:39.27 | stoned | well then good news |
| 22:39.28 | valdyn | woden: you dont need to wait |
| 22:39.32 | woden | memnon: Yes I am running Arch right now and I was thinking of adding a Lenny Stable partition. |
| 22:39.33 | stoned | lenny is pretty stable |
| 22:39.38 | hrp32 | woden: why not dualp bgoot? |
| 22:39.43 | memnon | woden: Ah, okay. |
| 22:39.44 | woden | I know but I want to wait for it to be stable (on principle) |
| 22:39.47 | hrp32 | woden: why not dual boot? |
| 22:39.50 | stoned | it doesn't meet the min bug release criteria but its stable enough to use |
| 22:39.52 | bsund | valdyn: It is the computer I'm at I will install the thing on. But I think I got what I need.. Thanks all |
| 22:40.06 | memnon | woden: I would get a stable cd, install it, and upgrade to testing. It is very usable already |
| 22:40.06 | stoned | there is no 'stable' sticker slapped on lenny, but its stable enough to use |
| 22:40.09 | simonrvn | lenny isn't stable yet, it's testing. RSN, SIYH |
| 22:40.22 | stoned | simonrvn, stable enough |
| 22:40.26 | stoned | I think, no? |
| 22:40.32 | stoned | I say go with it |
| 22:40.52 | memnon | If you are no debian user and want to have a look at it, I would go for testing! |
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| 22:41.16 | simonrvn | it's frozen right now, so it doesn't matter. |
| 22:41.27 | woden | memnon: But, I don't want to do that. I want my starting point to be 100% stable, just on principle, in order to say that it was installed from official stable. |
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| 22:41.43 | woden | Is that weird? |
| 22:41.45 | memnon | woden: Then, I would wait. Might be something like 3 months to go |
| 22:41.52 | memnon | woden: No, not at all! |
| 22:41.58 | amphi | woden: say that to whom? |
| 22:41.59 | woden | Alright hehe thanks |
| 22:42.01 | stew | woden: probably 2-3 weeks after the rc-2 of the installer comes out |
| 22:42.15 | woden | Cool |
| 22:42.17 | simonrvn | woden: so do etch, and keep sources.list pointed at stable, not etch, and when lenny is released you'll have lenny. |
| 22:42.34 | stew | woden: provided some of the outstanding bugs are fixed, "/msg dpkg rcbugs" |
| 22:42.36 | memnon | woden: How current is your hardware? |
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| 22:42.56 | simonrvn | if it's really new, go with lenny |
| 22:42.57 | memnon | woden: If it is pretty new, I would definately wait for lenny to be stable |
| 22:43.11 | woden | memnon: Current. Laptop was purchased about 7 months ago. |
| 22:43.18 | simonrvn | etchnhalf will likely support it, but lenny won't matter much then. |
| 22:43.19 | memnon | woden: So: wait |
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| 22:43.39 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 22:43.47 | woden | simonrvn: Yes but then the starting point would be etch stable. I want my starting point to be from lenny stable :) |
| 22:43.52 | memnon | woden: Thats better than a (unjustified) bad impression starting with etch |
| 22:44.09 | stew | why would one get a bad impression from etch? |
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| 22:44.20 | stoned | huh? |
| 22:44.27 | woden | stew: He was thinking about my hardware being modern being an issue somehow? |
| 22:44.42 | memnon | stew: Some hardware might not be supported. I am not sure how that is handled by an upgrade |
| 22:44.46 | nick4 | stoned you were right, ifup is not the same as ifconfig up |
| 22:44.51 | stoned | oh yeah, hw stuff, well only impatient baby-like people would get a bad impression |
| 22:44.57 | stew | the kernel in etch is only a couple of months old |
| 22:45.06 | memnon | stoned: That was not nice. |
| 22:45.08 | mngrif | i run a million hits/month site using etch... it's certainly earned my trust and respect |
| 22:45.20 | stoned | memnon, it wasn't un-nice... |
| 22:45.24 | memnon | mngrif: But not on hardware only half a year old |
| 22:45.27 | stoned | memnon, there was no mal-intent |
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| 22:45.49 | memnon | stoned: I got it, but someone interested in debian might not understand that attitude |
| 22:45.51 | simonrvn | woden: so wait like memnon said |
| 22:45.54 | stoned | memnon, if one knows a bit more about kernels and hardware supprot they'd realize that its not the fault of debian, so bad impressions shouldn't even matter |
| 22:45.57 | mngrif | memnon: xeon quad core, so at most that old |
| 22:46.04 | nick4 | mngrif what website is it? And if you dont want to write it in public, then send me the link in private |
| 22:46.24 | stoned | hence, the people who DO get bad impressions are, to me, logically, those people who are ubuntu people or impatient and not knowledgable at all |
| 22:46.24 | mngrif | nick4: sexinfo101.com (it's not porn, it's educational, i swear) |
| 22:46.26 | woden | Alright I will wait happily. |
| 22:46.32 | nick4 | ok let me see |
| 22:46.33 | stoned | but its not to say that I'm saying anything negative |
| 22:46.34 | woden | Thanks for the advice |
| 22:46.41 | memnon | mngrif: okay. Hey, I am just a "user" :) I follow lots of lists and usenet closely, so I tell what I read. But I am no expert |
| 22:46.44 | stoned | nick4, cool man, so it worked out for ya? |
| 22:46.49 | stoned | nick4, you got internet now/ |
| 22:47.08 | nick4 | stoned yes it worked but... whenever I set static IPs, I can't access the internet |
| 22:47.11 | mngrif | memnon: i am too, but using debian makes me money :P |
| 22:47.25 | stoned | nick4, check your nameserver? |
| 22:47.35 | nick4 | stoned yes, it's correct, 10.0.0.1 |
| 22:47.35 | mngrif | personally i don't use debian any more, i use linux mint on my workstations (which pulls from debian repo's, among others) |
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| 22:47.40 | stoned | nick4, probably a setting issue somewhere |
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| 22:47.50 | nick4 | mngrif yes, I know this website! It has the best demonstration of positions! A job well done :D |
| 22:47.51 | memnon | stoned: I did not say you _are_ negative. Only, that this attitude seems quite special do debian users. It is okay, but you got to get used to it. I run debian since potato, so I am :) |
| 22:48.05 | stoned | nick4, I would simply use DHCP, get an ip, jot down the correct info,and create it statically and restart networking |
| 22:48.18 | stoned | that way you know what dhcp gives out, you can specify an ip and the rest of the config from it |
| 22:48.22 | Guerin | mngrif: good luck with that |
| 22:48.40 | memnon | If someone would like to switch from ubuntu (or arch, like in this case), why not encourage him to test it. |
| 22:48.41 | nick4 | stoned what info do I need to write down to use in static? |
| 22:49.00 | stoned | memnon, I honestly didn't mean anything by it |
| 22:49.00 | stoned | memnon, I'm not a pric. |
| 22:49.00 | stoned | prick* |
| 22:49.01 | stoned | :) |
| 22:49.04 | memnon | ;) |
| 22:49.07 | Guerin | nick4: man interfaces |
| 22:49.15 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.15 | Guerin | nick4: it's peasy |
| 22:49.33 | mngrif | nick4: thank you very much, it's been a long road... |
| 22:49.34 | stoned | nick4, like uhm, gateway, subnet, etc. etc. I dunno oh yeh read that |
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| 22:49.48 | memnon | I still think Debian is a great choice. So I am happy about everyone testing it. ;) So, woden, give it a try when it is ready. I hope you'll like it ;) |
| 22:50.28 | stoned | man if debian was a woman instead of a linux distro.... well you can use your own imagination ;) but yeah, its quality man, defnitely quality distro |
| 22:50.35 | stoned | you can't get better than this int he world of linux |
| 22:50.38 | stoned | just can't |
| 22:50.41 | woden | memnon: Yea me too. I want to use 3D with my video card which is an nvidia 8800 gts. I wonder how this will work out? |
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| 22:50.52 | nick4 | ok, I will check man interfaces |
| 22:51.17 | memnon | woden: My "newest" piece of hardware is a Thinkpad X30, so I really got no clue about modern software :) |
| 22:51.19 | Gnurdux | mngrif, i thought linux mint is basically ubuntu based |
| 22:51.19 | stoned | nick4, after you use switch back to dhcp, you can do like ifconfig, and dump out the info |
| 22:51.30 | stoned | nick4, use that to contruct, fix your static |
| 22:51.57 | Gnurdux | ubuntu is loosely debian-based |
| 22:52.21 | stoned | we don't discuss ubuntu or how it is different from debian here |
| 22:52.25 | stoned | unfortunately |
| 22:52.27 | mngrif | Gnurdux: it is, but it has all the debian, ubuntu, and it's own repositories. it isn't very stable for me, but i run a tricked out -rt kernel and preloading and all that rice |
| 22:52.28 | nick4 | stoned oh yes, but it's only a few info, Bcast and Mask |
| 22:52.30 | stoned | or futurnately |
| 22:52.52 | Gnurdux | mngrif, i would think you would use ubuntu universe repo rather than debian |
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| 22:52.57 | nick4 | router gives me Bcast 192.168.1.255 so I use 10.0.0.255 |
| 22:53.00 | Gnurdux | otherwise you might get conflicts |
| 22:53.01 | stoned | nick4, well if dhcp works so should static, maybe check your router to see if maybe only the dhcp range is allowed to acess the net |
| 22:53.04 | stoned | ? |
| 22:53.14 | stoned | nick4, why use 10? |
| 22:53.19 | Gnurdux | ubuntu universe repository is basically the ubuntu version of the debian repository |
| 22:53.21 | stoned | what the hell |
| 22:53.36 | stoned | thinks nick4 does not understand networking |
| 22:53.48 | mngrif | Gnurdux: there's the occasional debian package that isn't in ubuntu, otherwise it does prioritize ubuntu's repos over debian's. if i have another kernel panic i'm switching this lappy to debian though |
| 22:54.06 | nick4 | stoned I don't know, I thought it would be a valid address, 10.0.0.1 as a router address, and clients start from 10.0.0.2 |
| 22:54.07 | rgr__ | Does anyone here know of a solution to get flash video player in iceweasel (specifically megavideo site here) to go full screen? Here it hops to FS and then pings back to embedded. Flash 10 from unstable. Debian Lenny. Iceweasel 3. |
| 22:54.08 | Gnurdux | what debian packages arent in ubuntu? |
| 22:54.19 | stoned | nick4, but what is your router configured for |
| 22:54.29 | stoned | nick4, switch to dhcp, do ifconfig, and pastebin it somewhere please |
| 22:54.33 | Gnurdux | i thought debian had *higher* standards; ubuntu takes basically everything in debian and adds some more |
| 22:54.34 | nick4 | ok wait |
| 22:54.38 | stoned | nick4, also pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 22:54.43 | stoned | thanks |
| 22:54.45 | nick4 | ok |
| 22:54.48 | Guerin | Gnurdux: and then supports a tiny fraction of it |
| 22:54.54 | Guerin | for a short time |
| 22:54.58 | Gnurdux | right |
| 22:54.58 | memnon | Gnurdux: ubuntu takes from testing. |
| 22:55.05 | Gnurdux | but "debian" doesnt support at all |
| 22:55.09 | Gnurdux | memnon, unstable you mean |
| 22:55.10 | memnon | Gnurdux: Thats a different level of reliability than stable |
| 22:55.16 | Gnurdux | indeed |
| 22:55.16 | Maulkin | Err... Doesn't it take from unstable? |
| 22:55.23 | Gnurdux | yeah |
| 22:55.23 | Guerin | Gnurdux: debian supports everything in stable |
| 22:55.25 | Gnurdux | it takes from sid |
| 22:55.27 | memnon | Uff, even unstable ?! |
| 22:55.32 | memnon | Okay ... |
| 22:55.38 | Gnurdux | supports? they get paid money for support? |
| 22:55.43 | Gnurdux | but who is the "they"? |
| 22:55.44 | memnon | So it was mint or another offspring... |
| 22:55.48 | miksuh | Gnurdux: debian stable is tested much better, ubuntu is based on debian unstable which is development version |
| 22:55.50 | stoned | nick4, also pastebin the output of nslookup google.com |
| 22:55.53 | Gnurdux | debian is a ocmmunity, not a company... |
| 22:55.57 | Guerin | Gnurdux: what does money have to do with it? |
| 22:56.04 | Gnurdux | well, free support isnt guaranteed |
| 22:56.15 | stoned | nick4, install dnsutils if you command not found |
| 22:56.33 | miksuh | Gnurdux: what are you talking about? |
| 22:56.34 | Gnurdux | when the canonical people say supported for 1 year or whatever it is, they mean guaranteed, commercial support |
| 22:56.47 | Guerin | Gnurdux: which you pay for |
| 22:56.53 | Gnurdux | indeed |
| 22:57.02 | Gnurdux | debian has no guaranteed support at all, just community support |
| 22:57.06 | nick4 | stoned http://pastebin.com/m10d1f48a <--- dynamic and DHCP |
| 22:57.11 | Gnurdux | and community support never terminates for either debian or ubuntu |
| 22:57.12 | Guerin | Gnurdux: i don't mean that sort of support. If you want ubuntu techsupp, you buy it from canonical. If you want debian techsupp, you buy it from a debian consultant. |
| 22:57.24 | stoned | nick4, good lord |
| 22:57.25 | nick4 | stoned nslookup sais right now my nameserver has the IP of the router, which is normal I think |
| 22:57.25 | Gnurdux | so you mean that ubuntu releases too often |
| 22:57.26 | miksuh | Gnurdux: bullshit. about 2000-3000 of all packages in the ubuntu are officially supported, resta re not. |
| 22:57.29 | stoned | nick4, :) |
| 22:57.30 | memnon | Gnurdux: You can get support from anyone |
| 22:57.34 | Guerin | Gnurdux: debian doesn't manage the support contracts people agree with third-parties, indeed. |
| 22:57.36 | stoned | nick4, this is very easy to fix |
| 22:57.42 | miksuh | rest are not |
| 22:57.42 | nick4 | ok shoot me! |
| 22:57.43 | Gnurdux | oh yeah, they put stuff in "universe" |
| 22:57.52 | Gnurdux | meaning that it is officially Not Their Problem |
| 22:57.53 | stoned | nick4, hang on |
| 22:58.06 | nick4 | shoot me, dont hang me :P |
| 22:58.06 | Gnurdux | im not even arguing in ubuntu's favor though |
| 22:58.07 | Guerin | Gnurdux: but that's the point - you can get support from whom you like, on whatever terms you please |
| 22:58.16 | Gnurdux | Guerin, same is true about ubuntu |
| 22:58.31 | Gnurdux | its not like there is a EULA saying "You can only get support from Canonical" |
| 22:58.36 | miksuh | Gnurdux: what's yopur point? advertise ubuntu? |
| 22:58.43 | Gnurdux | nope |
| 22:58.45 | miksuh | your |
| 22:58.48 | Gnurdux | ubuntu is way too popular :( |
| 22:58.53 | Toast | I normally look at what each project is focusing on. Debian puts out rock solid releases, and to achieve that, it is normally a little behind the times on the latest shiny stuff. Ubuntu focuses on end-user friendlyness. It has more shiny, but is less stable. I run them both, it's just choosing which is best for which situation. |
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| 22:59.05 | Guerin | Gnurdux: yes, and universe is the vast bulk of ubuntu, who take no responsibility for whether it even installs, let alone works. Their QA barely encompasses universe, whereas debian stable encompasses the entire repo. |
| 22:59.07 | stoned | nick4, http://pastebin.com/m5ba2e5cf |
| 22:59.15 | Gnurdux | it pisses me off when people now say "Does it work on ubuntu?" rather than "Does it work on linux?" |
| 22:59.16 | mngrif | yes! what Toast said! |
| 22:59.25 | stew | can you guys please take the ubuntu discussion somewhere more apropriate, perhaps #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic |
| 22:59.28 | Guerin | Gnurdux: how is it too popular? Far as I figure it's as popular as it deserves to be. |
| 22:59.31 | \amethyst | Gnurdux: except for non-free and contrib |
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| 22:59.33 | \amethyst | err |
| 22:59.41 | \amethyst | Guerin: except for non-free and contrib, of course |
| 22:59.50 | stoned | nick4, you router isn't configured for 10.x.x.x |
| 22:59.52 | Guerin | \amethyst: obviously. |
| 23:00.05 | stoned | nick4, use the config I pasted for you and adjust it accordingly, do not use 10.x anything |
| 23:00.34 | stoned | nick4, your static should work fine, you can give it any ip you want like 192.168.1.xxx(whatever you want between 2 and 254) |
| 23:00.37 | nick4 | stoned but I did configured it as 10.x, I could ping the router but not access outside info. I have noted down the IP of google and pinged them but still no |
| 23:00.53 | stoned | nick4, you don't understand, and I dunno how else to explain it |
| 23:00.54 | stoned | :( |
| 23:00.55 | nick4 | (I mean I told the router to use 10.x) |
| 23:01.00 | nick4 | oh ok :) |
| 23:01.06 | stoned | well you didn't obviously |
| 23:01.10 | nick4 | so it is not possible for this router to use 10.x ? |
| 23:01.14 | stoned | if you had, dhcp wouldn't give you 192 |
| 23:01.26 | stoned | if dhcp works and gives you 192.x then why use 10.x |
| 23:01.39 | stoned | just leave it at normal set, don't fuck with it, and enjoy your internet |
| 23:01.41 | stoned | :/ |
| 23:01.47 | stew | nick4: its possible for you to use 10.x.x.x, and the config you posted didn't have a gateway configured, which would explain being able to ping the router but not google |
| 23:02.09 | nick4 | ohhhhhhhhh |
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| 23:02.26 | nick4 | stoned so If I just configured the gateway right, everything would work ok even with 10.x ? |
| 23:02.34 | stew | nick4: note that you never need to specify 'network' or 'broadcast' |
| 23:02.36 | stoned | oh you configured the router for 10.x setup too? |
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| 23:02.58 | nick4 | stoned yes |
| 23:03.07 | stew | nick4: if you can ping your router on a 10.x.x.x address, i'd epect setting this address as the gateway address would get things working |
| 23:03.10 | stoned | then uncomment the gateway and fix its ip |
| 23:03.19 | stoned | also ucomment network/brosdcast |
| 23:03.23 | stoned | and use the correct ip |
| 23:03.23 | nick4 | yes |
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| 23:03.31 | stew | leave network/broadcast commented out |
| 23:03.40 | nick4 | guys, decide :P |
| 23:03.42 | stoned | why? |
| 23:03.53 | stoned | nick4, if anything, take stew's word |
| 23:03.59 | stoned | nick4, i'm still learning |
| 23:04.09 | nick4 | deal! |
| 23:04.15 | stew | nick4: they can be calculated automatically, the only time you need to specify them is if your really know what you are doing and are doing something non-standard |
| 23:04.25 | nick4 | wait, let me show you sample of what I am going to do |
| 23:04.32 | stoned | but he doesn't talk to me or answer my questions, he is too good for tht. perhaps you can ask him why |
| 23:04.41 | stoned | I'll just sit back and try to read. |
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| 23:05.16 | stoned | waits for sample |
| 23:05.49 | nick4 | stew , stoned : sample of what I am going to try on /etc/network/interface: http://pastebin.com/m7938f09c |
| 23:06.10 | stoned | looks good |
| 23:06.22 | SQlvpapir | when my cpu scales, will the avg loads change? |
| 23:06.22 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone of you know a dns tunneling solution which does not need TUN/TAP devices on server end? |
| 23:06.37 | Skapare | I want to install postfix ... exim is already installed ... aptitude says this is a conflict ... I need to have both to do a transition one domain at a time over the next week (several days work to change all the configs) ... what would break if I force both to be installed at the same time? |
| 23:06.40 | stew | nick4: that's fine. you can remove hostname, its only for dhcp, but it would also do no harm |
| 23:06.49 | JyZyXEL | how do you enable modules in debian apache 2? |
| 23:06.50 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: you mean IP-over-DNS ? |
| 23:06.51 | HardDisk_WP | Skapare, uh...pretty much. |
| 23:06.54 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, yepp |
| 23:06.57 | stew | JyZyXEL: a2enmod modulename |
| 23:07.01 | stoned | JyZyXEL, a2enmod |
| 23:07.07 | HardDisk_WP | JyZyXEL, a2enmod modname |
| 23:07.14 | Skapare | I do have multiple IPs and would be able to run them both at the same time |
| 23:07.17 | craigevil-eee | why do people have to make things so difficult, i have yet had to configure anything to get internet to work on cable or dsl |
| 23:07.18 | Guerin | Skapare: both of them |
| 23:07.18 | \amethyst | Skapare: they probably provide some files in common, like /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 23:07.21 | nick4 | ok thanks stew and stoned, I am gonna try this later or tommorow |
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| 23:07.29 | stoned | JyZyXEL, manually, /etc/apache/module-enabled/ and and ln -s what you want to ../modules-available |
| 23:07.36 | stoned | but you shouldn't have to do anything manually |
| 23:07.37 | \amethyst | Skapare: that could present a problem, though it can be fixed with diversions |
| 23:07.48 | Skapare | diversions? |
| 23:07.52 | \amethyst | Skapare: (divert one package's version of the conflictling file) |
| 23:08.10 | \amethyst | Skapare: man dpkg-diver |
| 23:08.10 | \amethyst | err |
| 23:08.10 | \amethyst | Skapare: man dpkg-divert |
| 23:08.14 | Guerin | Skapare: what you describe can't work. You probably need to set up postfix on another box and get it tuned how you like, then do the switcheroo in one go. |
| 23:08.31 | JyZyXEL | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)... waiting apache2: Syntax error on line 185 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:09.08 | Guerin | JyZyXEL: don't fucking paste |
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| 23:09.18 | stoned | Guerin, dude its one line |
| 23:09.21 | stoned | Guerin, chill out |
| 23:09.23 | Guerin | JyZyXEL: the error is in plain english, what does it tell you? |
| 23:09.33 | Skapare | Guerin: I've done this before on Slackware with no problem ... the /usr/lib/sendmail would not be an issue since there is no on-the-host email to do |
| 23:09.34 | \amethyst | Skapare: but even after resolving the problems of conflicting files you'll have to install with --force-conflicts and edit the config files |
| 23:09.41 | stoned | Guerin, don't make me come over there! ;) |
| 23:09.55 | Guerin | Skapare: how do you get both MTAs to listen on the same port? |
| 23:10.00 | Guerin | (for a start) |
| 23:10.02 | JyZyXEL | Guerin well its not my fault |
| 23:10.12 | JyZyXEL | its en2mod whatever its name was |
| 23:10.15 | Skapare | is there a way to ask aptitute or dpkg or whatever exactly what conflicts there are, like a list of conflicting files? |
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| 23:10.19 | \amethyst | Guerin: different IPs, he said that |
| 23:10.25 | Guerin | oh, i missed that bit |
| 23:10.27 | Skapare | Guerin: on different IP addresses |
| 23:10.31 | stoned | a2enmod - apache 2 enable module |
| 23:10.35 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: do you have libapache2-mod-perl2 installed? |
| 23:10.58 | Skapare | the machine has 5 IPs ... renting another machine would cost setup + a month |
| 23:11.04 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst no |
| 23:11.11 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: but it used to be installed? |
| 23:11.19 | stew | \amethyst: yes |
| 23:11.21 | JyZyXEL | don't know about that |
| 23:11.22 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: sounds like you need to purge it |
| 23:11.23 | stoned | \amethyst, how else you think |
| 23:11.33 | stew | no, sounds like he needs to install it |
| 23:11.34 | JyZyXEL | i just installed it |
| 23:11.37 | stoned | \amethyst, I had figured since the module entries exists in /etc/ he probably has the package installed |
| 23:11.42 | \amethyst | ahh |
| 23:11.46 | stoned | but thats what happens when you don't --purge |
| 23:11.47 | stoned | right? |
| 23:12.09 | Skapare | what about running one of the mail servers in a chroot directory? |
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| 23:12.28 | stew | Skapare: yes, that can be done |
| 23:12.43 | \amethyst | stoned: right, conffiles stick around, as do things like the links in mods-enabled |
| 23:12.47 | stew | Skapare: debootstrap is a utility to help you create such a chroot |
| 23:13.11 | Skapare | stew: I was just about to thinkg about whether to replicate / or make a new install |
| 23:13.56 | Skapare | stew: is there a doc on using debootstrap in chroot, or is it just the same either way? |
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| 23:15.02 | stew | Skapare: "debootstrap etch /path/to/chroot" would create a base debian install in /path/to/chroot, then you could "chroot /path/to/chroot" and in that shell do stuff like "aptitude install postfix" |
| 23:15.09 | moodhugs | hi, my sleep button on my keyboard does something i don't want it to. where do i change what it does? |
| 23:15.16 | SQlvpapir | is there a good way to encrypt the /home/ partition? in a way so even root cannot access it |
| 23:15.24 | stew | moodhugs: probably in /etc/acpi |
| 23:15.29 | moodhugs | thanks |
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| 23:15.59 | Skapare | stew: OK ... I never used debootstrap before ... would it inherit the same package list from the real / ? |
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| 23:16.14 | Skapare | doing man debootstrap now |
| 23:16.16 | stew | Skapare: no, it installs only a base system with the bare minimum of packages |
| 23:16.26 | Skapare | No manual entry for debootstrap |
| 23:16.42 | stoned | \amethyst, cool thanks for confirming |
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| 23:17.01 | Skapare | stew: so I'd just depend on postfix dependencies filling in what is needed, plus anything else I need for my own doings I have to + |
| 23:17.04 | flower | can you make a wish for a certain package in debian? |
| 23:17.14 | stoned | well I'd best get back to this SEO app I gotta finish this by sunday night so I can start the report buildint on monday |
| 23:17.23 | stoned | god i love new york, people pay out the ass out here |
| 23:17.27 | stoned | ;) *akf* |
| 23:17.37 | Skapare | stoned: dirty money? |
| 23:17.46 | groton | hi, anyone could help understanding why i cannot associate my wifi nic to a open (no wep nor wpa) wifi ap? http://rafb.net/p/yAfhjU36.html |
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| 23:18.19 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 23:18.20 | Skapare | I guess I need to install debootstrap :) |
| 23:19.34 | moodhugs | oh. i meant the sleep button on the keyboard, not on the computer. ;p |
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| 23:20.27 | moodhugs | how do i reassign the sleep button on the keyboard? |
| 23:20.49 | memnon | groton: There is no encryption, so why do you use wpa? |
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| 23:20.57 | karmatronic | !xmodmap |
| 23:20.57 | dpkg | methinks xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
| 23:21.07 | groton | memnon, do i? i set it to no key management |
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| 23:21.30 | memnon | groton: one mom |
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| 23:22.57 | memnon | groton: I have something like this |
| 23:23.18 | memnon | iface whome inet dhcp |
| 23:23.18 | memnon | wireless-essid SampleNetwork |
| 23:23.18 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.32 | memnon | no wpa stuff |
| 23:24.06 | Skapare | OK, I will play with deboostrap in chroot then decide if I want to do that or rent a 2nd machine for a while |
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| 23:24.11 | groton | memnon, i am associating my nic to many wpa ap, and only this one is open, there must be a way to use it without wpa, although i am using wpa_supplicant |
| 23:24.12 | bart_ | is there a debian services control painel to run under ssh? |
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| 23:24.26 | Skapare | thanks for the help |
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| 23:25.26 | memnon | groton: I am no expert on this! Do you mean you connect to several wireless networks at the same time? |
| 23:25.45 | groton | not at the same time |
| 23:26.16 | memnon | groton: So, setup an iface for this special network, without wpa_supplicant. AFAIK you do not need it. |
| 23:26.55 | memnon | groton: I have like 4 iface's in my /etc/network/interfaces , some use wpa_supplicant, some do not. |
| 23:27.22 | groton | memnon, i already have iface wlan0 inet manual, could i add another entry? with the same "wlan0" name? |
| 23:28.04 | memnon | groton: I name my iface's like this: whome, wuni. You can name them whatever you like. |
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| 23:28.26 | memnon | groton: use ifup eth3=whome or such to activate it |
| 23:28.35 | groton | memnon, ok |
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| 23:28.56 | groton | but i cannot put it on like that, since it is already upped/downed by wpa_supplicant |
| 23:29.07 | groton | i mean, ifup/down are automatically done |
| 23:29.07 | memnon | groton: or use an alias: alias whome='ifup eth3=wuni' |
| 23:29.26 | groton | and using them would conflict, aint it? |
| 23:30.22 | memnon | ? You lost me now :( |
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| 23:32.40 | oira | hi, if i run any GL app like glxgears my xserver crashes. but if i login as root it works fine. cab anyone help? |
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| 23:33.15 | memnon | groton: Could you state your problem again, please? |
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| 23:35.09 | karmatronic | oira: maybe check your Xorg.conf to add DRI section |
| 23:35.21 | oira | it is added |
| 23:35.27 | groton | memnon, my problems stays the same as i said in the paste :D |
| 23:35.34 | karmatronic | oira: something like Section "DRI" |
| 23:35.42 | oira | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.42 | oira | Load"dri" |
| 23:35.57 | oira | hm those letters got weird in the copypaste |
| 23:36.02 | karmatronic | oira: yeah but you need a section like |
| 23:36.08 | karmatronic | oira: |
| 23:36.08 | karmatronic | oira: Section "DRI" |
| 23:36.08 | karmatronic | Mode 0666 |
| 23:36.08 | karmatronic | EndSection |
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| 23:36.14 | oira | oh yeah i have that at the bottom |
| 23:36.44 | memnon | groton: Okay, why do you configure an unencrypted connection with wpa-driver, and not with wireless-essid like I suggested? |
| 23:37.08 | oira | just double checked, i have that section already |
| 23:37.11 | groton | i did like you suggested, but i have not got an address by dhcp |
| 23:37.40 | groton | memnon, "No DHCP offers received" i just guess i could set it manually |
| 23:38.40 | memnon | groton: Do you have a first line like |
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| 23:39.05 | memnon | iface wuni inet dhcp |
| 23:39.14 | oira | karmatronic: anymore ideas? |
| 23:39.17 | groton | memnon, yes |
| 23:39.41 | memnon | okay, and then wireless-essid ESSIDname |
| 23:39.56 | groton | only essid i used |
| 23:39.57 | flower | can you make a wish for a certain package in debian? |
| 23:40.20 | flower | I want package x in Debian? |
| 23:40.25 | memnon | and ifup eth[yourwifinumber]=ifacenameyouchose |
| 23:40.29 | memnon | does not work |
| 23:40.52 | groton | memnon, it started, but no dhcp offers received |
| 23:41.02 | groton | memnon, i am not sure if the nic associated tot he ap |
| 23:41.13 | memnon | mhh. |
| 23:41.23 | karmatronic | oira: no.... |
| 23:41.39 | memnon | could you please paste your actual config again? |
| 23:41.42 | oira | ok thanks anyways karmatronic :) |
| 23:41.50 | oira | i appriciate the effort |
| 23:41.51 | karmatronic | oira: :( |
| 23:42.27 | groton | memnon: http://rafb.net/p/WOjoBs85.html |
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| 23:42.58 | memnon | not static, use dhcp |
| 23:43.11 | groton | memnon, i used dhcp before, and no dhcp offers got |
| 23:43.13 | memnon | you want dhcp, right? |
| 23:43.32 | karmatronic | oira: maybe something like |
| 23:43.35 | karmatronic | oira: chown root:video /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri -R |
| 23:43.38 | MadChopr | anyone use amanda tape backup system? |
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| 23:43.42 | karmatronic | oira: chmod 750 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri -R |
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| 23:43.47 | karmatronic | oira: could do the trick |
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| 23:44.08 | oira | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1007635.html |
| 23:44.10 | drraid | ohi |
| 23:44.11 | drraid | im back |
| 23:44.12 | oira | ah i found somebody |
| 23:44.16 | drraid | to ruin the intertubes |
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| 23:44.30 | oira | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.31 | oira | chmod: cannot access `/usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri': No such file or directory |
| 23:44.37 | oira | karmatronic: i dont have the folder |
| 23:44.40 | memnon | groton: one mom, looking |
| 23:45.29 | oira | karmatronic: have /usr/lib/xorg/modules though |
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| 23:45.58 | karmatronic | oira: dont have it either,wrong way to go.... |
| 23:46.06 | oira | :) |
| 23:46.39 | memnon | groton: Okay, try dhcp, no gateway, no address, instead wireless-key off |
| 23:46.56 | memnon | Like here: http://csircoin.blogspot.com/2005/09/setting-up-different-networking.html |
| 23:47.09 | memnon | in example interfaces.home |
| 23:48.02 | memnon | groton: Maybe we also have to try wireless-mode ad-hoc/managed, but lets first try without |
| 23:48.18 | groton | memnon, nothing changed |
| 23:48.23 | groton | memnon, no dhcp offers got |
| 23:48.36 | memnon | and remember to start it by ifup eth?=nameyougave |
| 23:48.41 | memnon | Mhhhh |
| 23:48.44 | memnon | grummel |
| 23:48.50 | groton | fup wlan0=dlinkhome |
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| 23:48.54 | groton | i* |
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| 23:50.27 | memnon | Wait |
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| 23:51.05 | memnon | groton: Why do you have essid DLINK_WIRELESS. Your other paste says Default. |
| 23:51.33 | groton | ah |
| 23:51.37 | memnon | :) |
| 23:51.42 | memnon | keeping thumbs pressed... |
| 23:51.45 | memnon | //me |
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| 23:52.11 | rking | I'm trying to get the /wired/ connection on this laptop to work, and during the installation it does not autodetect, but manual selection shows a successful `insmod` for the driver I manually picked. How do I know if it works or not? |
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| 23:52.39 | memnon | rking: does a manual ifup eth? work? |
| 23:52.52 | rking | memnon: the install disk doesn't seem to have ifup |
| 23:53.16 | memnon | rking: Oh, while installing. I have no idea, sorry... |
| 23:53.46 | rking | hrm. |
| 23:54.17 | groton | memnon, well, the essid disappeared now :/ thanks for the help tough |
| 23:54.19 | memnon | rking: wired connection should work. I would finish installation |
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| 23:54.29 | memnon | groton: does it work? |
| 23:54.30 | rking | ifconfig eth0 gives "error fetching interface information: Device not found" |
| 23:54.37 | rking | memnon: it doesn't --- that's the one I'm working on |
| 23:54.49 | memnon | groton: disappeard? It is your network, right? |
| 23:54.56 | rking | I bought a super-cheap laptop (it's going with me to Afghanistan in a few days) |
| 23:54.59 | TomCollins | for whatever reason my laptop in xrandr shows a tv as connected. definitely do not. how can i turn off this display and how can i make sure it stays off every time i start up |
| 23:55.00 | groton | memnon, no, it is an uniknown network |
| 23:55.35 | memnon | groton: Uff, they most certainly have some kind of protection. Like VPN? But why did it disappear? |
| 23:56.05 | groton | memnon, well, not sure |
| 23:56.49 | memnon | rking: Just finish installation. I really think wired connections of any kind are supported. Fix this problem after installation. |
| 23:57.14 | memnon | Disclaimer /me is no expert |
| 23:57.37 | rking | memnon: Ahh, yeah, I get what you're saying. |
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