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| 00:01.07 | tux91 | When is lenny gonna be released? |
| 00:01.11 | memnon | argh |
| 00:01.15 | Jelle | when it's ready ;( |
| 00:01.25 | tux91 | well...aproximately? |
| 00:01.39 | memnon | 3 months? |
| 00:01.48 | tux91 | is it stable enough or should I stick with etch for now? |
| 00:02.20 | memnon | I think it is already stable enough for most people. I jumped into the cold water and am still alive :) |
| 00:02.38 | tux91 | memnon: ok thanks a lot |
| 00:03.09 | tux91 | Is etch's software like ... old or reeeaaally old? |
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| 00:03.41 | memnon | You are on etch. you should know, shouldn't you?! |
| 00:03.49 | tux91 | no i'm not |
| 00:04.04 | memnon | Ah, new user, considering giving debian a try? |
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| 00:04.11 | tux91 | memnon: right |
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| 00:05.24 | karmatronic | tux91: etch software is not that old |
| 00:05.35 | memnon | tux91: Well, etch was release 2007-04-08. The version of the included software did not change since then. If you consider this old or reeeeaaaly old depends on your pov |
| 00:05.53 | tux91 | but it's very stable overall right? |
| 00:06.20 | memnon | debian stable is stable. But there will be a new stable soon, so ... I would go for lenny |
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| 00:06.37 | memnon | and stay with it when it is stable. |
| 00:06.53 | tux91 | oh I really don't know which one to choose( |
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| 00:07.46 | memnon | as I said, lenny will be stable very soon. You are a desktop user, I guess, or you would not ask. Try lenny aka testing. Stay with it when it is stable. Thats what I would do. |
| 00:07.55 | moodhugs | i just switched from etch to lenny |
| 00:08.14 | moodhugs | lenny seems more stable with the exception to the kernel LOL which i use from etch |
| 00:08.34 | tux91 | lenny seems more stable? How the hell is that possible? |
| 00:08.46 | memnon | tux91: If you want the latest cutting edge software all the time, stay with testing or even unstable. But this is really not recommended for "just user" types |
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| 00:09.22 | moodhugs | i don't know. just some programs in etch crashed and i upgraded and they don't now |
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| 00:09.35 | tux91 | ok now i feel confused |
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| 00:10.19 | memnon | tux91: Stable only gets security fixes. Some bugs were found since the release. They are still in there. Stable means: You know which bugs are there. And this will not change till the next release. |
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| 00:10.34 | themill | tux91: laptop? desktop? server? new hardware? old hardware? |
| 00:10.43 | tux91 | laptop, new hardware |
| 00:11.01 | themill | tux91: then you will probably need lenny or at least etchnhalf to get it working nicely |
| 00:11.09 | memnon | tux91: stable means reliable so far, that you know what you get and it will stay like this. It is tried to get it bug free, but there are always bugs found after the release. |
| 00:11.21 | memnon | tux91: lenny, definately! |
| 00:11.27 | tux91 | ok, going with lenny, thanks everybody |
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| 00:12.06 | memnon | good choice. |
| 00:12.30 | moodhugs | ;p i still have no idea why the lenny kernel crashes on my system. |
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| 00:26.29 | ia | hello. i have question about codenames and branch-names - etch, lenny and sid it's an "aliases" for stable, testing and unstable accordingly, right? |
| 00:27.09 | themill | ia: at the moment, yes. |
| 00:27.20 | miksuh | http://www.hs.fi/ulkomaat/artikkeli/Zimbabwe+lanseeraa+50+miljardin+dollarin+setelin/1135242641573?ref=rss |
| 00:27.27 | miksuh | oho sorry wrong channel |
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| 00:30.10 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 00:32.27 | liable | theres a nick i havent seen for a while |
| 00:32.43 | Azar | missed ya'll too, liable |
| 00:33.04 | Azar | gone are the happy, leisure times |
| 00:33.29 | liable | heh, back to work? |
| 00:33.41 | Azar | liable, what's the latest debian version running now? |
| 00:33.57 | Azar | yeah, got a lousy job, but is a job ... |
| 00:34.06 | liable | Azar: lenny is in the final stages before release |
| 00:34.18 | Azar | wow, nice |
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| 00:35.24 | Azar | I was expecting with the global economic crisis to see more of linux-debian adopted but it does not look so, yet.. |
| 00:35.48 | ia | how can be harmful to keep in sources.list records for different branches simultaneously? does this disagree with debian's philosophy or/and with some (un)official policies? (of course, i'm not talking about some production servers :-) |
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| 00:36.34 | Azar | ia: you can keep the unused sources #commented, if you want but can't use all of them at the same time |
| 00:36.43 | liable | ia: because apt will use whatever packages are newest. so if you have unstable in sources.list, your box with use unstable |
| 00:37.52 | Azar | liable... :) I am still using sarge... never had the time to power on this box until now |
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| 00:39.25 | ia | well, then what if i use unstable, but i've found some 3rd party repo with additional packages, but it's for stable or testing - can be some problems in such case? |
| 00:39.42 | liable | Azar: sarge doesnt get security anymore. but i remember you are always using old debian |
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| 00:40.23 | liable | ia: we dont suggest using unofficial repos, but no, generally its not a problem if the package them properly |
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| 00:41.21 | ia | ok, thanks for answers :-) |
| 00:42.23 | Azar | liable: I just heard that lenny was sped out with blob firmware... not being a purist, but isn't that a security threat? |
| 00:43.15 | liable | Azar: no, debian has always had it. and just before every release, they argue about whether to release with blobs ;) |
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| 00:43.24 | Azar | ... firmware that usually is careless written |
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| 00:44.18 | Azar | I wonder why the rush... is the matter of pride producing x number of debian versions faster? |
| 00:45.14 | Azar | abrotman, my man, how are you doing? |
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| 00:46.52 | funky | hello |
| 00:46.53 | funky | pB compiz-fusion-plugins-extra - Collection of Compiz Fusion plugins for Compiz - Extra plugins |
| 00:46.58 | funky | what does that B mean ? |
| 00:47.41 | enouf | look at the header |
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| 00:48.54 | funky | I did, but still no clue |
| 00:48.57 | themill | Azar: once things are declared "frozen" though, there is a rush... for the period that things are frozen, the entire project is in limbo with unstable not being updated as much and the software in the frozen testing aging "gracefully"... e.g. the kernel that lenny will release with is already 6 months old and there is already plenty of hardware out there that lenny is going to struggle with. |
| 00:49.00 | enouf | i'd say B == bad, but actually, that's not what the headers suggest - they don't reference a B here |
| 00:49.18 | funky | | Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/Desempaquetado/Fallo-config/Medio-inst/espera-disparo/pendiente-disparo |
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| 00:50.22 | Azar | themill: what kernel was decided on lenny? the latest I remember was 22.. 8 months ago.. |
| 00:50.32 | themill | Azar: 2.6.26 |
| 00:50.46 | funky | themill: seriously I have no idea |
| 00:50.48 | Azar | whohoo! newest than I thought |
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| 00:51.44 | moqq | is there a way to prevent a syslog entry every time a task is executed from /etc/cron.d/somefile ? |
| 00:51.50 | enouf | funky: LANG=C dpkg -l compiz-fusion-plugins-extra |
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| 00:53.02 | themill | I'm guessing "broken" but I've never seen it before. |
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| 00:54.04 | Azar | liable: was any of the old debian versions blob-free? maybe potato? |
| 00:54.12 | enouf | that's more precise than "bad" ... and would appear to then have a -f fix |
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| 00:55.08 | rking | moqq: Yes... have you tinkered around with /etc/syslog.conf ? |
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| 00:56.18 | moqq | rking: not really. i wasn't sure if you could do it just for a specific cron file |
| 00:56.41 | liable | Azar: not sure. firmware is unfortunately just one of those things we have to work with. and as new devices come out ever cheaper, one way to make them cheaper is to not have a chip that holds the firmware, but load it by the kernel |
| 00:56.58 | newsense_ | goes to tinker with it |
| 00:58.10 | Azar | liable: I guess the 2.6.26 kernel must be huge.. like 3 times the 2.6.8 I use |
| 00:58.25 | rking | moqq: I'm extra unsure about that, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is possible somehow. I have just had a stack of "grep -v"s in the past to ignore junk while tailing logs, if that's what you're doing. |
| 00:59.09 | TwistOfFate | anyone got the url of that graph that shows the active bugs in debian? |
| 00:59.15 | enouf | Azar: greg kroah hartmann keeps all those kinds of stats, and speaks about it on google videos and such |
| 00:59.53 | enouf | IIRC, the kernel is ~ 9 million lines of code, (all arches) |
| 00:59.55 | funky | enouf: | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
| 01:00.00 | funky | there is no B |
| 01:00.02 | Azar | enouf: thanks, I will google for his articles |
| 01:00.07 | enouf | funky: wrong line ;-) |
| 01:00.22 | enouf | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 01:00.28 | funky | there isn't any B |
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| 01:00.33 | funky | in any line |
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| 01:01.25 | enouf | i see a b, but it's not uppercase, but .. well, it seems not many have seen it either |
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| 01:01.28 | themill | TwistOfFate: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 01:02.25 | enouf | amphi: fwiw, the latest sid midori fixes a few things, but it's still nasty |
| 01:03.10 | TwistOfFate | that's what i wanted, thanks themill |
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| 01:03.17 | enouf | (nasty == all kinds of words that i shouldn't explicitly mention ;-)) |
| 01:03.42 | amphi | enouf: there you are, now ;) |
| 01:03.57 | enouf | also /msg dpkg rc bugs TwistOfFate |
| 01:04.13 | TwistOfFate | ta |
| 01:04.14 | amphi | enouf: I'm building from git here - webkit has several bugs as yet :( |
| 01:04.14 | enouf | amphi: yeah - little haitus :-P |
| 01:04.45 | amphi | enouf: if you run sid midori under gdb, do you see the segfault is in webkit? |
| 01:04.56 | enouf | amphi: i've d/l the debian source and looked at some things .. nothing definitive to say as of yet |
| 01:05.22 | enouf | i would bet it is .. sigh ... |
| 01:06.13 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.31 | rking | Could running an x86 distro on AMD64 be the source of my Ethernet module troubles? |
| 01:06.32 | enouf | makes mental note |
| 01:06.45 | amphi | enouf: gitk FTW ;) |
| 01:06.49 | enouf | amd64 is x86 |
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| 01:06.55 | enouf | heh |
| 01:07.07 | rking | enouf: but there's a specific -AMD64 distro, isn't there? |
| 01:07.13 | enouf | no |
| 01:07.23 | enouf | there's a specific amd64 ARCH |
| 01:07.29 | enouf | in debian |
| 01:07.30 | rking | enouf: ahh |
| 01:07.48 | enouf | which includes all x86_64 |
| 01:08.20 | enouf | and their variant marketing (cough intel cough) names |
| 01:08.38 | rking | So the same install disk that I used for a regular x86 will definitely work for my new (but totally not working net driver) amd64 ? |
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| 01:09.29 | enouf | i have no idea how to even start trying to comprehend that question ... |
| 01:10.02 | rking | enouf: Sorry. |
| 01:10.07 | rking | enouf: I'll look around |
| 01:10.25 | enouf | np, no worries, it might be me too |
| 01:11.14 | enouf | rking: /msg dpkg amd64 and /msg dpkg ia64 and see wikipedia.org/wiki/x86_64 |
| 01:11.38 | rking | enouf: I mean, I used an i386 netinst disc for my other Intel, and it worked fine. Now, I'm having a nebulous problem, and I'm wondering if it was because I didn't download the amd64 arch |
| 01:11.41 | rking | enouf: ok |
| 01:14.23 | rking | I'm getting the dreaded "No such device" after an "ifup eth0" with what I am 90% sure is the correct ethernet card module. |
| 01:14.52 | enouf | lspci -nn | grep -i eth |
| 01:15.03 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 01:15.26 | rking | ls /sys/class/net shows the same thing as ifconfig -a, right? |
| 01:15.35 | enouf | it better |
| 01:16.06 | rking | But that lspci gives me the card ID 11ab:4354 , which everything I can find on the internet points to sky2, /maybe/ skge |
| 01:16.23 | enouf | rking: uname -r |
| 01:16.35 | rking | But when I try modprobe'ing either of those and doing ifup eth0, I get the same stack of SIOCSIFxxxx: No such device things |
| 01:16.44 | rking | 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 01:17.16 | enouf | sky2 in Lenny's/Sid's .26 |
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| 01:17.37 | rking | In fact, I did a shell `for` loop over every drivers/net/*.ko, with the body being: "modprobe $n; ifup eth0; read; rmmod $n", and none of them worked. |
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| 01:17.48 | enouf | rking: er .. 2.6.18-6-486 is not an amd64 kernel |
| 01:18.04 | liable | Azar: aye, the kernel is getting rather big |
| 01:18.13 | ferret_0567 | my backspace key does not work in any VTE-based terminal on Debian Testing. Any ideas why? |
| 01:18.22 | enouf | it's a i386 one and it has NOHIGHMEM option set |
| 01:19.03 | rking | enouf: I am under a time crunch so I'm being sloppier than usual. Please forgive me for not having done my research. You're suggesting I try again with, say, a sid (which is my preferred version anyway) amd64 arch? |
| 01:19.04 | enouf | ferret_0567: is any Apple / Macintosh involved? |
| 01:19.39 | enouf | rking: not necessarily, i'm saying your kernel version does not match your professed issue |
| 01:19.49 | enouf | AFAICT |
| 01:20.22 | enouf | rking: what CPU is on the machine? |
| 01:20.35 | rking | enouf: The sticker says AMD Athlon 64 |
| 01:20.35 | enouf | s/on/in |
| 01:20.49 | enouf | it's a laptop rking ? |
| 01:20.59 | rking | enouf: yep (not even messing with wifi yet) |
| 01:21.11 | rking | AMD Athlon 2650e according to /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:21.14 | enouf | rking: cat /proc/cpuinfo and dmesg will tell you - but i don't need to see it |
| 01:21.48 | enouf | rking: and which exact ISO did you use for installation? |
| 01:21.49 | ferret_0567 | enouf, no |
| 01:22.00 | enouf | ferret_0567: dunno then ... |
| 01:22.02 | rking | enouf: That's an interesting question... 5 min |
| 01:22.43 | ferret_0567 | ruiop[]\ASDFGHJKL;' |
| 01:23.16 | enouf | rking: well, if i'm not avail; and from what i can tell - you should upgrade to a etchnhalf .24 kernel, or perhaps a etch-backports .26 |
| 01:23.26 | rking | enouf: According to the README.txt: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r5 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20081024-15:53 |
| 01:24.06 | woden | How do I type this character into an applications that does is not able to accept pastes from the clipboard? Å |
| 01:24.07 | enouf | rking: right - see .. wow, that's an older snapshot, but /msg dpkg security and update/upgrade |
| 01:24.49 | rking | enouf: but that security+update/upgrade is all related to someone who's online, right? |
| 01:24.51 | enouf | my char set uses that box for ~50 different chars :-P |
| 01:25.19 | rking | enouf: it's not a box, it's an o-umlaut |
| 01:25.24 | ferret_0567 | enouf, there are 65 keys on my keyboard, including the Fn key (it's a laptop) |
| 01:25.34 | enouf | rking: well, you can d/l and install a newer kernel directly to say a usb key and install using dpkg -i ; /msg dpkg pdo |
| 01:25.48 | enouf | rking: it's a box |
| 01:25.48 | rking | enouf: That's a good idea. Thank you very much |
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| 01:26.40 | rking | enouf: I cannot thank you enough for the help, I'm wading around a part of installation that has never given me trouble before, and am, like I said, under time pressure. |
| 01:27.04 | Azar | today, for the first time I got to play Slune! awesome! |
| 01:27.06 | rking | woden: It has to do with key mapping and stuff. Since that's a common German character, there is some easy way to do that. Are you using Gnome? |
| 01:27.28 | ferret_0567 | enouf, so 83 keys in total if you add the numpad, and the SysRq, Scroll Lock, and Break keys |
| 01:28.06 | enouf | ferret_0567: sorry, i don't use laptops, and don't even like them - /msg dpkg laptop (is all i know) |
| 01:29.20 | ferret_0567 | enouf, you don't like them because they are underpowered? |
| 01:29.31 | enouf | rking: a new daily ISO might work better /msg dpkg etchnhalf and /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 01:29.40 | ferret_0567 | enouf, too little power for the same price? |
| 01:29.43 | enouf | ferret_0567: no |
| 01:29.51 | TwistOfFate | so lenny must be close to going stable if there's only 126 bugs to go. |
| 01:29.57 | enouf | too proprietary |
| 01:30.32 | enouf | you cannot put one together yourself from off-the-shelf components (without mucho hassle anyway) |
| 01:30.56 | TwistOfFate | i feel disappointed that linux 2.6.28 has just been released and debian 5.0 will miss out on ext4. |
| 01:31.14 | enouf | lenny +1 |
| 01:31.21 | TwistOfFate | will have to wait 6 yrs for debian 6.0 |
| 01:31.23 | enouf | or more |
| 01:31.41 | enouf | only if squeeze becomes 5.1 :-p |
| 01:31.44 | enouf | maybe |
| 01:31.55 | TwistOfFate | so the next testing is called squeeze? |
| 01:32.04 | enouf | !squeeze |
| 01:32.05 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 01:32.16 | Azar | enouf, liable I wonder what if now, with the global economic crisis, proprietary software starts to try milking for their "rights" of their code used in linux distros? |
| 01:32.18 | TwistOfFate | ok |
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| 01:32.53 | streuner | !+tell TwistOfFate -about backports |
| 01:32.54 | dpkg | told TwistOfFate about backports. |
| 01:32.58 | memnon | Azar: crisis? Yes. but ya think they will be so desperate? |
| 01:33.30 | Azar | memnon: as desperate as thinking they might dissapear along with other businesses |
| 01:33.42 | memnon | mhhh |
| 01:33.44 | TwistOfFate | so what you're saying is you could backport linux 2.6.28 from squeeze once lenny is stable? |
| 01:33.58 | TwistOfFate | are backports ever from sid, or only testing? |
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| 01:35.05 | streuner | there are surely newer kernels available after lenny is released... |
| 01:35.15 | streuner | at backports.org |
| 01:36.22 | memnon | Azar: I still doubt it, though... There is hardly any money to get, me thinks |
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| 01:38.47 | Azar | memnon: there will allways handy for "them" to say that their business drowned because the linux camp stole their stuff |
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| 01:39.34 | Azar | I wonder if Linus and his team think about this |
| 01:39.48 | memnon | so, let them whine. no one will believe it. those who do, are the ones who do not care in the long run. So they will forget |
| 01:40.43 | Azar | I only hope the linux legal team are 100% sure that there will not be liability |
| 01:41.12 | Azar | the only people making big money this times are lawyers |
| 01:42.46 | memnon | well, *they* always do, don't they ;) |
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| 01:44.26 | johns_ | the linux legal team? a lot of big corporations have diverted a lot of r&d efforts into linux -- bottom line: lots of money. you think they haven't covered their asses? |
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| 01:44.59 | memnon | damn crisis. Come on people, cheer up. Its never as bad as everyone imagines... |
| 01:45.04 | Azar | johns_: some commercial distros made sure they have licensed stuff they got from others |
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| 01:45.17 | johns_ | Azar: besides novell, who? |
| 01:45.24 | Azar | welcome home honorable simonrvn |
| 01:45.37 | Azar | johns_: rh maybe? |
| 01:45.53 | johns_ | maybe as in you don't know, or maybe as in pure speculation? |
| 01:46.30 | simonrvn | Azar: hi |
| 01:46.36 | liable | i think the crises is great. what a rediculous last ten years of property spruiking on living beyond our means |
| 01:46.40 | Azar | maybe as in they whould not run a business software without licensing, otherwise they will be in court in a blink of an eye |
| 01:47.18 | Azar | liable: right you are: these are times when history is on the making. |
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| 01:47.35 | liable | Azar: it certainly is |
| 01:47.47 | oira | i have still not resolved my issue with my x server crashing when running 3d applications/games as a non root user. i have a X3100 (intel driver) |
| 01:47.56 | oira | i have updated my drivers changed versions etc |
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| 01:48.05 | oira | does not help |
| 01:48.11 | simonrvn | liable, Azar: aho to that |
| 01:48.15 | oira | i changed mesa too |
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| 01:48.21 | oira | still freezes up |
| 01:48.24 | Azar | oira: maybe not enough memory? |
| 01:48.30 | oira | i have 4 gigs |
| 01:48.39 | Azar | video memory |
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| 01:48.52 | Meta | Since I upgraded to Lenny yesterday, X hasn't been working right... xfce-panel has just frozen for the third time since I upgraded. |
| 01:48.54 | oira | i have run 3d apps before |
| 01:48.56 | Azar | same thing happened to me with egoboo, now it works on another, new PC |
| 01:49.03 | oira | its worked fine on other dists |
| 01:49.26 | Meta | Any help? |
| 01:50.01 | Meta | I can't click windows on my bottom panel and I have a window with the title "Xfce Panel" which won't close or disappear or any of that. |
| 01:50.40 | Meta | I don't want to just restart X every time this happens, I want a solution |
| 01:50.47 | simonrvn | wipe (rm) the panel stuff in ~/.config/xfce4/ |
| 01:51.00 | simonrvn | maybe starting fresh will help |
| 01:51.13 | memnon | Meta: Did you search for a bug report? |
| 01:51.27 | Meta | memnon: Not as yet. |
| 01:51.43 | Meta | I don't know what I'd search for |
| 01:51.43 | simonrvn | or mv it, if you wanna keep it around... |
| 01:51.51 | Meta | simonrvn: It's in use, I'd have to log out |
| 01:51.56 | simonrvn | start with the package name |
| 01:52.20 | simonrvn | bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 01:52.40 | Azar | Meta, you upgraded to Lenny, just for kicks, could your kernel be the one you still used with Etch... maybe kernel needs upgrade? |
| 01:53.08 | Meta | Azar: I thought it had updated during the process |
| 01:53.33 | memnon | Meta: Just reboot, and everything will work fine :) |
| 01:53.36 | simonrvn | yes, but the kernel upgrade only takes place after a reboot |
| 01:53.40 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 01:53.41 | Azar | maybe there is a specific instruction on how to upgrade to Lenny where it tells you how to prepare for the upgrade and if the kernel might need upgraded as well |
| 01:53.41 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 01:53.59 | Meta | memnon: Yes, but that's not a permenant fix. |
| 01:54.13 | Meta | Linux Paradoxical 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 07:56:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:54.18 | Meta | Hmmm... you could be right. |
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| 01:54.35 | simonrvn | that shouldn't be a problem if that's your uname -a |
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| 01:55.12 | Meta | Aptitude says I don't have any new updates, so I can't update the kernel |
| 01:55.45 | Azar | aren't there Release Notes for Lenny yet? |
| 01:56.00 | memnon | Meta: You upgraded from etch to lenny. Did you reboot? |
| 01:56.05 | Meta | Yes. |
| 01:56.09 | memnon | mh |
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| 01:56.25 | Meta | I had issues with X after that as well, it hadn't loaded vesa. |
| 01:56.33 | Meta | Which I fixed by installing it |
| 01:56.51 | memnon | What does uname -a say? |
| 01:56.58 | Meta | I did it just up there |
| 01:57.19 | memnon | okay, but etch and a half is not the kernel in lenny, right? |
| 01:57.31 | Meta | I doubt it, yes. |
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| 01:57.53 | memnon | I have Linux treehouse 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:58.30 | Azar | nope, the release notes for 5.0 are not ready yet |
| 01:58.33 | memnon | Is there a new kernel in your menu.lst? |
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| 01:59.51 | Meta | No... it still has etchnhalf listed. |
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| 02:00.05 | Meta | Is there something I'm meant to do to update grub? |
| 02:00.39 | memnon | Mh... I also upgrade from etch to lenny, but had no such issue afair |
| 02:01.20 | Meta | :( I've had nothing but issues since I changed from Ubuntu to Debian. |
| 02:01.45 | memnon | Meta: What did you do to upgrade |
| 02:01.46 | memnon | ? |
| 02:01.56 | Meta | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:01.58 | memnon | Change sources.list to testing? |
| 02:01.59 | Azar | I don't know how it goes nowadays, but when I did my system upgrade to sarge, I made sure I read the new release notes and I follow up exactly. Now it can be as easy as typing aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:02.04 | Meta | memnon: Yes |
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| 02:02.13 | memnon | aptitude update |
| 02:02.17 | memnon | aptitude upgrade |
| 02:02.17 | Meta | I did that |
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| 02:02.21 | memnon | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:02.26 | Meta | I did that. |
| 02:02.28 | Meta | I'm not silly. |
| 02:02.29 | memnon | k |
| 02:02.41 | memnon | Meta: I am trying to find out what went wrong. |
| 02:02.47 | Meta | It sat there downloading a bunch of packages. |
| 02:02.58 | Meta | I wasn't really watching it |
| 02:03.07 | Azar | Meta: see what kernel is Lenny using and check the version of your running kernel. |
| 02:03.25 | memnon | he obviously uses the wrong one. but why? |
| 02:03.44 | Meta | 2.6.26 is Lenny |
| 02:04.04 | Azar | Meta: you have issues with x-driver video, right? |
| 02:04.33 | Meta | Paradoxical:/boot# ls |
| 02:04.33 | Meta | config-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686.bak System.map-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 initrd.img-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 vmlinuz-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 02:04.50 | Meta | Azar: I did, I installed vesa and X started |
| 02:05.27 | memnon | Meta: start aptitude, fetch the newest kernel, install it. reboot. maybe that does not solve your other issue, but I would start fixing that |
| 02:05.34 | memnon | is no expert! |
| 02:05.37 | johns_ | when 2.6.29 comes out and we all have kernel mode setting, what sort of changes can end users expect? |
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| 02:05.41 | Meta | memnon: How? |
| 02:05.56 | Gigantic | does anyone know the equivalent of AuthInteractiveFailureTimeout ? |
| 02:05.59 | Gigantic | in ssh |
| 02:06.03 | Azar | Meta: some video drivers have hard time with new kernels, maybe there is a kernel-video issue |
| 02:06.14 | memnon | Meta: as root, start aptitude |
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| 02:06.20 | Meta | Hang on a second |
| 02:06.29 | Meta | There was one line in my sources.list that still had etch |
| 02:06.54 | Meta | I'll brb, dropping to terminal. |
| 02:07.11 | memnon | mhh |
| 02:08.05 | Azar | johns_: I allways had to do workarounds with video drivers after installing a new kernel... if I was lucky to find a workaround, I would guess by now this is not an issue anymore with Etch and Lenny |
| 02:08.54 | simonrvn | irssi... |
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| 02:09.22 | memnon | simonrvn: ? |
| 02:09.25 | woden | What is the multi key sequence for creating Å character ? |
| 02:09.38 | doccy | Still says nothing is there for updating. |
| 02:09.39 | doccy | >.< |
| 02:09.51 | memnon | woden: X or cli? |
| 02:10.08 | simonrvn | woden: compose " o |
| 02:10.16 | newsense_ | up down up down left right left right a b select start ? |
| 02:10.25 | newsense_ | just kidding :) |
| 02:10.27 | simonrvn | oh, -, dunno, i'd try - o |
| 02:10.56 | simonrvn | Å |
| 02:11.02 | memnon | woden: x or cli? |
| 02:11.06 | simonrvn | shift - o |
| 02:11.14 | jpinx | alt 0240 |
| 02:11.16 | simonrvn | so compose _ o |
| 02:11.27 | simonrvn | jpinx: only for windows... |
| 02:11.34 | doccy | Help. :( |
| 02:11.44 | jpinx | :( |
| 02:11.59 | simonrvn | woden: ^^^ |
| 02:11.59 | doccy | memnon: It still says there aren't any packages for updation. |
| 02:12.17 | memnon | doccy: are you meta? |
| 02:12.20 | doccy | Yes. |
| 02:12.24 | memnon | ah :) |
| 02:12.28 | simonrvn | doccy: aptitude; then hit / look for linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:12.33 | memnon | Okay, start aptitude |
| 02:12.35 | memnon | as root |
| 02:12.52 | doccy | Yeah |
| 02:12.54 | simonrvn | what, you couldn't tell from the hostname? ;) |
| 02:13.05 | Azar | jpinx: what are you using now? |
| 02:13.07 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 02:13.12 | doccy | memnon: What now? |
| 02:13.15 | memnon | simonrvn: I did not see his hostname |
| 02:13.20 | memnon | doccy: type / |
| 02:13.24 | jpinx | azar chatzilla |
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| 02:13.29 | memnon | enter linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:13.33 | memnon | enter |
| 02:13.38 | simonrvn | doccy n=doccy@124.183.82.192 Meta n=devnull@124.183.82.192 |
| 02:13.52 | doccy | What am I looking for? |
| 02:14.01 | memnon | doccy: erc does not display enter and leave messages. I hate noise :) |
| 02:14.11 | memnon | 1. type / |
| 02:14.12 | memnon | enter |
| 02:14.19 | doccy | Yeah |
| 02:14.19 | memnon | 2. linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:14.20 | memnon | enter |
| 02:14.21 | doccy | I got that |
| 02:14.31 | simonrvn | ah ok, so you set quit/join display off |
| 02:14.46 | memnon | simonrvn: yea |
| 02:14.59 | memnon | doccy: Okay, ist this linux-image in a bright white color? |
| 02:15.04 | jpinx | trying to get an external USB dial up modem to work on etch on an asus eeepc -- anyone got any experience of this? |
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| 02:15.08 | doccy | No? |
| 02:15.19 | memnon | Is there an i left of the linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:15.20 | memnon | ? |
| 02:15.30 | doccy | No |
| 02:15.34 | memnon | okay |
| 02:15.41 | memnon | doccy: type + |
| 02:15.52 | doccy | Okay, yeah? |
| 02:16.02 | doccy | It's now bright green |
| 02:16.07 | memnon | perfect |
| 02:16.09 | memnon | type g |
| 02:16.21 | doccy | k |
| 02:16.31 | memnon | now, installation should start |
| 02:16.33 | simonrvn | memnon: woot |
| 02:16.48 | doccy | k, downloading. |
| 02:16.54 | dustybin | where abouts inside /etc/init.d/sysklogd do i put this line 'SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log"' so my chrooted Bind 9 will log properly? |
| 02:16.57 | simonrvn | i do that semi-automatically, hehe |
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| 02:17.17 | neoice | whats the best way to automount a removable USB drive? (assume no GUI / desktop environment) |
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| 02:17.23 | doccy | Installing |
| 02:17.24 | memnon | asks google for woot |
| 02:17.28 | simonrvn | dustybin: just make a dev file in the right place |
| 02:17.31 | memnon | doccy: well done :) |
| 02:17.37 | simonrvn | !woot |
| 02:17.37 | dpkg | methinks woot is an expression of joy. Also spelled w00t. |
| 02:17.38 | memnon | if you are done, you have to restart |
| 02:17.51 | memnon | already got it on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/W00t |
| 02:17.53 | doccy | Okay |
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| 02:17.56 | memnon | :) |
| 02:18.02 | woden | Is there a name for characters that have special international symbols like the squiggle or umlaut and stuff |
| 02:18.03 | doccy | Brb then |
| 02:18.06 | memnon | doccy: please come back and tell if anything changed |
| 02:18.08 | newsense | neoice, you can use fstab |
| 02:18.15 | dustybin | simonrvn: ive already created |
| 02:18.15 | dustybin | mknod /var/lib/named/dev/null c 1 3 |
| 02:18.16 | dirkson | Hey all. Just attempted to install debian (netinst, amd64) only to find that it doesn't really appear to have drivers for the (two separate) network cards or my cdrom... What do I do now? |
| 02:18.16 | dustybin | mknod /var/lib/named/dev/random c 1 8 |
| 02:18.35 | memnon | baby steps, sigh |
| 02:18.36 | dustybin | but i still need to edit sysklogd? |
| 02:18.49 | simonrvn | ok, so chroot bind there on startup, in the init script, and you're done |
| 02:19.16 | newsense | neoice, youde have to have an extra init.d that runs mount -a after udev runs or the dev node wont be available yet |
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| 02:19.21 | simonrvn | of course, taking care of the /etc/ /var and so on, stuff |
| 02:19.35 | dustybin | simonrvn: i dont that but it will not log until i put this line inside etc/init.d/sysklogd SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log |
| 02:19.39 | neoice | newsense: that doesnt seem like it covers hotplugging though |
| 02:19.40 | dustybin | *done |
| 02:19.43 | doccy | memnon: |
| 02:19.43 | doccy | Linux Paradoxical 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:19.47 | newsense | neoice, udev rule |
| 02:19.58 | memnon | doccy: hey, you have the newest lenny kernel :) |
| 02:20.04 | simonrvn | orly |
| 02:20.13 | simonrvn | hm, sec |
| 02:20.20 | newsense | neoice, RUN+="mount command" |
| 02:20.20 | doccy | memnon: Cool... hopefully that fixes my X issues? |
| 02:20.24 | memnon | doccy: Try, if that helped |
| 02:20.29 | doccy | k. |
| 02:20.38 | memnon | doccy: no idea :( Come back, if not |
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| 02:21.12 | newsense | neoice, can even have it use your own device name or even better use the default and setup a symlink to your own dev name |
| 02:21.15 | memnon | come back in any case! I want to know if it heloped :) |
| 02:21.51 | memnon | woden: What is your problem with umlauts etc? |
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| 02:22.40 | Mark_Jones | Hello is this IRC room for general chat about Debian? Wanna make sure im in the right place. |
| 02:22.57 | newsense | no not general its a help channel |
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| 02:23.06 | newsense | debian-offtopic is feneral debian chat |
| 02:23.11 | simonrvn | dustybin: i have dev/log, /null, and /random in my chroot for bind; |
| 02:23.11 | Meta | My theming has disappeared. |
| 02:23.14 | Mark_Jones | ok thank you. |
| 02:23.15 | newsense | s/feneral/general |
| 02:23.15 | Meta | But otherwise, it appears to be okay. |
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| 02:23.30 | Mark_Jones | alright |
| 02:23.30 | memnon | Meta: What theme? Gnome? |
| 02:23.39 | Meta | Nah, I had xfce themed |
| 02:23.41 | Meta | It's all good |
| 02:23.45 | Meta | Minor annoyance |
| 02:23.58 | memnon | Meta: You had your personal theme, or it was the default theme of etch? |
| 02:24.08 | memnon | Meta: The default might have changed of course. |
| 02:24.10 | Meta | It was one of the xfce themes. |
| 02:24.32 | simonrvn | Meta: ~/.config/xfce4 did it? |
| 02:24.47 | Meta | Ah, that would be it |
| 02:24.52 | memnon | Meta: btw: obviously you are not used to aptitude. Which program do you use? synaptic? |
| 02:25.04 | Meta | I use the aptitude commands |
| 02:25.15 | Meta | I've never used just "aptitude" |
| 02:25.21 | simonrvn | CLI stuff? ok |
| 02:25.30 | Mark_Jones | I just wanted to say I am REALY loving Debian etch.Especially since I found out what backports are.I finally have Pidgin in etch, its wonderful.Are there any other "types" of repositories that have cool stuff I should know about? |
| 02:25.32 | memnon | ahh. I think it is quite handy sometimes. I use both |
| 02:25.44 | memnon | debian-multimedia |
| 02:25.52 | simonrvn | same, mostly NUI, but sometimes CLI |
| 02:26.08 | Mark_Jones | ok nice |
| 02:26.22 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 02:26.23 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 02:26.39 | simonrvn | Mark_Jones: ^^^ |
| 02:26.41 | woden | memnon: There is a game called Neverwinter Nights and I am unable to paste the Å character into it at all. |
| 02:26.49 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg dmm etch |
| 02:27.04 | Mark_Jones | oh very cool |
| 02:27.07 | memnon | woden: An X game? |
| 02:27.23 | dustybin | '^[Ss]imonrv{1,}n' |
| 02:27.23 | simonrvn | woden: ComposeKey + Shift - + o |
| 02:27.26 | memnon | woden: How do you create this character in the chat? |
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| 02:27.41 | woden | memnon: Yes a native linux game |
| 02:27.45 | simonrvn | dustybin: yes? |
| 02:27.47 | miksuh | Mark_Jones: If you use debian on desktop then you most likely want to use debian-multimedia.org repository |
| 02:27.49 | dustybin | LOL |
| 02:27.56 | woden | simonrvn: I tried that and it's not working for some reason. It works in any other X app just fine though. |
| 02:28.09 | Mark_Jones | When I gook I will definetly check it out. |
| 02:28.15 | woden | memnon: In this chat here? |
| 02:28.23 | simonrvn | woden: probably doesn't grok compose; i'd just c&p it into the thing |
| 02:28.32 | memnon | woden: Yes. But if it works elsewhere, this is certainly beyond my abilities |
| 02:28.34 | Mark_Jones | thank you very much |
| 02:28.41 | woden | simonrvn: I can't copy/paste into this program for some reason. |
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| 02:29.23 | simonrvn | o_O wtf |
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| 02:29.37 | simonrvn | damn, let my smoke burn out |
| 02:29.37 | Mark_Jones | on Debian.org when I go to look for packages there are different sections like etch-backports like just mentioned and there is one called etch-volatile what is that one for? |
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| 02:30.08 | Guerin | !volatile |
| 02:30.08 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is a project that aims at keeping the stable distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/. An example line for your etch sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main contrib non-free |
| 02:30.10 | memnon | !volatile |
| 02:30.21 | Azar | helloo mister Guerin! |
| 02:30.30 | memnon | I love this bot :) |
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| 02:30.44 | liable | !love memnon |
| 02:30.44 | dpkg | makes love to memnon, caressing memnon's hair, whispering sweet nothings in memnon's ear... |
| 02:30.46 | Azar | I still say Guerin is better |
| 02:31.00 | chris081 | hi. how do we call the following: a=97,b=98,c=99, and so on? |
| 02:31.05 | Mark_Jones | wow debian is well thought out I love it so much better than Windows.Im so glad I sent Vista back now. |
| 02:31.18 | memnon | ;) |
| 02:31.36 | rking | chris081: ascii. |
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| 02:31.52 | simonrvn | Mark_Jones: hehe |
| 02:31.57 | rking | chris081: "ASCII represented in decimal," if you want to be a little more complete. |
| 02:31.59 | memnon | Mark_Jones: I never used vista, but xp was not that bad. It was just different... |
| 02:32.12 | memnon | !love liable |
| 02:32.12 | dpkg | makes love to liable, caressing liable's hair, whispering sweet nothings in liable's ear... |
| 02:32.15 | memnon | hihihi |
| 02:32.26 | newsense | chris081, $a $b $c if thats what youre looking for |
| 02:32.26 | memnon | Great stuff |
| 02:32.49 | Mark_Jones | I bought Vista on 1/08, my Bday. I had nothing but hardware and driver related issues.Horrible. |
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| 02:33.04 | userxxxx | hi |
| 02:33.20 | userxxxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.29 | memnon | Mark_Jones: My main problem with vista: It seems like a huge waste of ressources. Would not work on the notebook I am using right now. But thats OT... |
| 02:33.38 | newsense | userxxxx, yes and faster |
| 02:33.44 | userxxxx | ah ok |
| 02:33.45 | Mark_Jones | Ok now i see they have a sid section for packages and then they have an experiemntal.Is that stuff thats not yet ready for even being in sid yet or what? |
| 02:33.49 | userxxxx | then i'll use it |
| 02:33.52 | newsense | why cat and not cp ? |
| 02:34.03 | memnon | !experimental |
| 02:34.04 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 02:34.21 | wea0 | Is the ntfs-3g driver recommended to use? |
| 02:34.28 | chris081 | ok, but this isn't really what i'm looking for. I'm explaning: I installed linux, and i probably took the wrong keyboard configuration. Earlier, i tried to setup password for my root account on mysql server. The problem is that to set the password, i MUST type it between single quote ('pass'). But i can't type the ' char, so i searched for another way. I know about windows let the human hitting down the alt key, and then using the num keypad, |
| 02:34.31 | Mark_Jones | ok man you guys are so helpful and knowledgable. |
| 02:34.32 | memnon | But it is a bit different in freeze. |
| 02:34.39 | newsense | wea0, if you want ntfs write support |
| 02:35.01 | userxxxx | newsense, will sda boot? |
| 02:35.08 | Mark_Jones | Ok thanks all Im out to search the backports and stuff for cool newer apps for my awsome etch machine. |
| 02:35.10 | userxxxx | cos i am imaging disks. |
| 02:35.17 | Mark_Jones | later! |
| 02:35.20 | memnon | cu |
| 02:35.25 | Azar | I call on the Lenny team to replace the typed password with the fingerprint on the screen! |
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| 02:35.26 | userxxxx | ci Mark_Jones |
| 02:35.27 | newsense | userxxxx, yes it should |
| 02:35.30 | simonrvn | we imagined that (bah-dum-tssh) |
| 02:35.31 | userxxxx | ok |
| 02:35.49 | wea0 | Is there any danger for my filesystem? |
| 02:36.11 | chris081 | so, now i must know how this is called, because this might be very helpful if i plan ot search answers using google |
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| 02:36.11 | chris081 | to* |
| 02:36.31 | Azar | ..no with the lipsprint on the screen! |
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| 02:39.14 | Mark_Jones | Oh one last question if its ok.I already downloaded and burned the Etch DVDs all 3. There doesnt happen to be any ready made ISOs for the official etch backports are there? |
| 02:39.32 | chris081 | found it on the web...how lucky i am: dpkg-reconfigure console-data. bye, and thanks a lot for the help |
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| 02:39.49 | hallowname | say sum1 has a corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/available, can it be regenerated? |
| 02:40.07 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:40.12 | simonrvn | !sum1 |
| 02:40.12 | dpkg | try someone |
| 02:40.44 | hallowname | simonrvn: sorry, i didn't know this channel was formal. how can one regenerate that file? |
| 02:40.58 | memnon | oh, is this so frequently used even the bot knows about it :) |
| 02:41.07 | simonrvn | rm it, dselect update |
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| 02:41.25 | swankier | how do I list all the files inside of a package? |
| 02:41.30 | memnon | wow, dselect?! |
| 02:41.30 | hallowname | simonrvn: ahh, thanks... ida never known... |
| 02:41.49 | memnon | swankier: apt-cache? |
| 02:41.53 | simonrvn | swankier: installed? |
| 02:41.53 | memnon | !apt-cache |
| 02:41.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-cache is a tool with several commands that query the package cache in various ways. To see versions of a package or which repository is came from, use apt-cache policy foo, apt-cache show foo or apt-cache showpkg foo (searches for reverse dependencies). apt-cache search foo helps finding which packages provide or are related to foo by seearching all package descriptions. man apt-cache |
| 02:42.07 | simonrvn | dpkg -L packagename |
| 02:42.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 02:42.17 | simonrvn | dpkg: whateva |
| 02:42.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, eva is the nicest girl in the universe. |
| 02:42.26 | simonrvn | O_o |
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| 02:42.47 | simonrvn | dpkg: factinfo whateva |
| 02:42.47 | dpkg | simonrvn: there's no such factoid as whateva |
| 02:42.52 | simonrvn | dpkg: factinfo eva |
| 02:42.53 | dpkg | eva -- created by matze <matze@ppp320.stud.tu-darmstadt.de> at Tue Dec 19 23:30:04 2000 (2944 days); it has been requested 16 times, last by simonrvn, 35s ago. |
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| 02:43.07 | simonrvn | ooookaaay |
| 02:43.22 | memnon | ah, tu darmstadt |
| 02:43.37 | Azar | du not tu |
| 02:44.02 | simonrvn | he used to come here. haven't seen him in a long while. |
| 02:44.22 | Azar | figure this: after everybody will upgrade and upgrade, I will be the only left with the old games :) |
| 02:44.43 | simonrvn | hey, i run etch on my server :P |
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| 02:44.56 | Azar | simonrvn: I am still running sarge |
| 02:44.59 | hallowname | simonrvn: this computer doesn't have dselect >:( ... any other way? apt-get update doesn't do it... |
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| 02:45.10 | simonrvn | (and dreading the lenny update when it goes stable) |
| 02:45.21 | simonrvn | hallowname: it should |
| 02:45.34 | memnon | thank god dselect is not standard anymore :) |
| 02:45.43 | hallowname | simonrvn: well, it's not :) any tips? |
| 02:45.59 | simonrvn | hallowname: it's not crucial, and can be regen'ed |
| 02:46.08 | simonrvn | install it ;) |
| 02:46.08 | Azar | and I am light, and speedy, everything I have weighs only 1.8GB |
| 02:46.21 | liable | hallowname: dpkg --update-aval |
| 02:46.22 | simonrvn | Azar: OMG |
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| 02:46.40 | liable | erm avail |
| 02:46.45 | hallowname | liable: thank you!!! |
| 02:46.56 | liable | np |
| 02:47.39 | memnon | simonrvn: I started with dselect, used it a while, never got used to it. Maybe I should 've tried harder :) |
| 02:48.03 | memnon | dselect ist ein Biest. |
| 02:48.15 | simonrvn | liable: doh, of course, haha :) |
| 02:48.55 | simonrvn | i used dselect for a long time... don't anymore much. i think last time i use it was this past summer. |
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| 02:49.01 | simonrvn | used* |
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| 02:51.18 | memnon | hallowname: Mhh, I found several methods using _google_. |
| 02:51.30 | liable | i think i used dselect twice man years ago. its fucking horrible :) |
| 02:51.37 | liable | s/man/many/ |
| 02:52.21 | simonrvn | other than apt-get, that was the only app in town |
| 02:53.00 | liable | aye |
| 02:53.37 | simonrvn | when aptitude came out, i was kinda reticent to use it, but i got used it fast, hehe |
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| 02:54.43 | jpinx | I need to download and install ppp and associated dependencies and then install from a USB memory - How do I do that? |
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| 02:55.37 | simonrvn | cp the .debs to the stick and install them |
| 02:55.57 | memnon | jpinx: be sure to get all dependencies! |
| 02:56.28 | simonrvn | might want pppconfig too, or pppoeconf if that's what it is |
| 02:56.37 | jpinx | memnon: that's the issue -- there's loads:( |
| 02:57.27 | memnon | jpinx: there must be a way to do this with a script |
| 02:57.27 | jpinx | how can I check if I need them all? |
| 02:57.34 | simonrvn | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libpam-modules, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), netbase, procps |
| 02:57.42 | jpinx | memnon: that's what I was hoping.... |
| 02:57.42 | memnon | get all dependencies, write them to a file, use wget |
| 02:57.45 | simonrvn | er, that's sid *blush* |
| 02:58.20 | simonrvn | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libpcap0.8 (>= 0.9.3-1), libpam-modules, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), netbase, procps |
| 02:58.23 | memnon | simonrvn: But you have to check what the dependencies depend on?! |
| 02:58.35 | jpinx | uname on the eee pc says 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 02:58.36 | memnon | no? |
| 02:58.43 | simonrvn | sure, but he probably has them. look at the list. |
| 02:59.35 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | grep -E 'foo|bar|baz|qux|quux|...' |
| 02:59.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -E 'foo|bar|baz|qux|quux|...' |
| 02:59.43 | simonrvn | dpkg: ;p |
| 02:59.43 | dpkg | [p] 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 02:59.48 | jpinx | what's teh cl to check - for example - libc6 ? |
| 03:00.05 | simonrvn | it's installed... |
| 03:00.05 | jpinx | *the |
| 03:00.22 | Meta | What's the name of the package for the archive manager which is in Ubuntu? |
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| 03:00.40 | memnon | Meta: Possibly synaptic? |
| 03:00.42 | simonrvn | synaptic you mean? |
| 03:00.51 | wea0 | OK, I installed ntfs-3g, connected an external USB-disk and I could just open it in KDE and it worked without a fstab entry. But my NTFS partition on the internal drive didn't get mounted. |
| 03:00.52 | wea0 | Can I make it automatically mount all NTFS partitions or do I need fstab entries for the ones on my intermal disk? |
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| 03:01.00 | Meta | memnon: No, archive manager. The one that extracts anything through a GU |
| 03:01.01 | Meta | GUI |
| 03:01.27 | simonrvn | update-manager maybe |
| 03:01.35 | simonrvn | or gdebi |
| 03:02.41 | memnon | !ubuntu |
| 03:02.41 | memnon | mhh |
| 03:02.41 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:03.11 | Azar | uh I thought that distro dissapeared |
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| 03:03.40 | simonrvn | no.. |
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| 03:05.26 | memnon | Meta: uff, no idea. It was a gnome app I guess? |
| 03:05.26 | memnon | simonrvn: I think meta means something that shows tar.gz's etc. |
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| 03:06.19 | craigevil-eee | something along the lines of ark, xarchiver |
| 03:06.46 | simonrvn | oh, file-roller |
| 03:07.03 | memnon | is that a gnome app? |
| 03:07.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 03:07.27 | jpinx | ok - I think I've got the dependencies for ppp on my stick - how do I install them from there? |
| 03:07.44 | simonrvn | it's called "Archive Manager" in the menu... |
| 03:07.50 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 03:07.57 | memnon | jpinx: dpkg -i |
| 03:08.02 | miksuh | Meta: Do you mean file roller? File roller is not any ubuntu app though, it's opart of the gnome desktop so it's in debian too |
| 03:08.09 | Meta | File roller, yeah |
| 03:08.20 | Meta | I've only really seen Ubuntu |
| 03:09.10 | jpinx | is that dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb ? |
| 03:09.33 | memnon | ... |
| 03:09.53 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 03:10.18 | jpinx | ok |
| 03:11.54 | memnon | oh, nice, found the -A option. |
| 03:12.47 | esaym | follows hello, I need a software spectrum analyzer that can analyze real time audio coming in from the line-in of the sound card |
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| 03:20.16 | memnon | jpinx: If you are still man'ing: http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/How_do_I_install_a_.deb_file_I_downloaded_without_compromising_dependencies%3F |
| 03:20.28 | memnon | Sometimes, google is just faster ;) |
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| 03:21.27 | pythonic | hi, does anyone else on lenny see apt repeatedly download the same package? |
| 03:21.52 | memnon | mhh, not me |
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| 03:23.32 | memnon | pythonic: Which package keeps hassling you? |
| 03:23.40 | pythonic | openssh-blacklist is the worst |
| 03:24.18 | pythonic | usually apt-get install package-with-lots-of-dependencies fails, but apt-get install individual-packages works.. |
| 03:24.22 | memnon | Mh, try to use another mirror? |
| 03:24.39 | memnon | maybe yours is out of sync somehow... |
| 03:24.50 | pythonic | using a mirror in my lan |
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| 03:25.17 | pythonic | maybe apt can't handle the speed :-) |
| 03:25.18 | miksuh | Python1320: it should not fail if your /etc/apt/sources.list is ok and your network conection sis ok |
| 03:25.43 | memnon | and your mirror is okay ... |
| 03:25.50 | miksuh | yep |
| 03:25.56 | pythonic | wget works fine |
| 03:26.19 | Azar | depends what you are wgetting |
| 03:26.34 | memnon | pythonic: maybe give it a try. Try a "real" mirror ;) |
| 03:26.44 | Azar | wget can easily get you something not meant for the version you are running |
| 03:26.47 | memnon | might give a hint where the problem lies... |
| 03:27.56 | pythonic | Azar: i'm wget'ing the package apt is downloading |
| 03:28.30 | memnon | pythonic: are you using something like apt-proxy or apt-cacher? |
| 03:28.57 | pythonic | no, just a ruby server to serve the static files |
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| 03:29.24 | Azar | pythonic: but can wget install and configure the same way "aptitude install" fights dependencies? |
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| 03:30.06 | pythonic | Azar: apt-get install openssh-blacklist (no depends) is failing |
| 03:30.19 | pythonic | it downloads the package, then downloads it again, and again.. |
| 03:30.27 | Azar | pythonic: try using "aptitude install" |
| 03:30.49 | Azar | I quit using apt-get since I upgraded to sarge |
| 03:31.03 | pythonic | aptitude install openssh-blacklist fails (i.e. repeatedly downloads) |
| 03:31.18 | memnon | pythonic: Is the package okay? |
| 03:31.19 | Azar | pythonic: there is a reason there, did you read the line? |
| 03:31.38 | pythonic | no, it just repeatedly downloads the package |
| 03:31.41 | pythonic | there is no error. |
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| 03:31.45 | pythonic | just Get:1 ... |
| 03:31.47 | pythonic | Get:2 ... |
| 03:31.49 | pythonic | Get:3 ... |
| 03:31.51 | pythonic | same file every time |
| 03:32.29 | Azar | aptitude install uses the sources list and if your sources are linked to right repositories should work: the server where the repositories are might not work, try another source |
| 03:32.35 | pythonic | no, my mistake, this package does have dependencies.. |
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| 03:33.02 | memnon | pythonic: No, I checked... |
| 03:33.03 | pythonic | should it depend on libx11-6?!? |
| 03:33.11 | phorce1 | pythonic: so try as suggested above -- comment out your local mirror and add a "regular" mirror then try installing that single package after doing an update |
| 03:33.25 | memnon | ? |
| 03:33.30 | Azar | the success lies in correct sources list line: the location and the version: sarge, etch, OR lenny, not two or more versions mixed |
| 03:34.19 | memnon | Version: 0.4.1 |
| 03:34.20 | memnon | Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24) |
| 03:34.20 | memnon | Recommends: openssh-client |
| 03:34.20 | memnon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:34.20 | Azar | aptitude goes and search exactly at one location given |
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| 03:34.32 | pythonic | sources.list has deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main (where lenny is poisoned at local dns) |
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| 03:34.46 | memnon | oh come on bot. only 4 lines... |
| 03:34.47 | pythonic | err.. where ftp.debian.org* is poisoned. |
| 03:35.13 | phorce1 | pythonic: then use one that isn't poisoned |
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| 03:35.58 | memnon | pythonic: damn, you get your files from somewhere. So just use this source directly in your sources.list on the machine in question |
| 03:36.12 | dihymo | i have to say the old netscape default background was much easier on the eyes |
| 03:36.13 | memnon | Mh, in question. Is this correct english? |
| 03:36.15 | phorce1 | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 03:36.19 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
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| 03:36.48 | Azar | with its deb-src too |
| 03:37.01 | Azar | add non-free contrib, maybe works |
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| 03:38.34 | memnon | hello, native speakers: on the machine in question. Is this correct english? Sounds strange on a second glance... |
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| 03:40.18 | rking | memnon: Needs more context to say yay or nay. |
| 03:40.19 | phorce1 | memnon: yes, it was correct english |
| 03:40.30 | memnon | thx |
| 03:40.52 | rking | Oh, from above. =) |
| 03:40.57 | phorce1 | rking: context above |
| 03:41.02 | phorce1 | rking: heh |
| 03:42.45 | phorce1 | pythonic: and why would you use DNS poisoning to point to your local mirror anyway? I'm sure that machine has its own name/IP, use that in sources.list instead of futzing around in BIND. |
| 03:42.54 | mordy | memnon, 'seems' would be the first correction |
| 03:43.26 | phorce1 | (which is basically what memnon was saying) |
| 03:43.43 | Azar | hehe I like "futzing" expression |
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| 03:43.57 | mordy | but anyway, i'm trying to figure out a 'clean' way to reinstall all packages |
| 03:44.13 | Azar | clean with aptitude |
| 03:44.14 | memnon | mordy: ? seems? |
| 03:44.25 | Azar | then use aptitude only |
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| 03:44.48 | mordy | memnon, what is the sentence in question, i just popped in, i though the phrase that followed your question was the one you were inquiring about |
| 03:44.56 | bart_ | Is debian testing branch safe for servers? |
| 03:45.09 | Guerin | bart_: no. |
| 03:45.16 | bart_ | Guerin: why? |
| 03:45.23 | mordy | azar, something is broken somewhere, i don't know what though |
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| 03:45.45 | memnon | mordy: ah, okay... getting tired, its nearly 5 o'clock am here... |
| 03:45.46 | pythonic | phorce1: it's not futzing around, i prefer transparent proxying |
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| 03:45.57 | memnon | bart_: Why would you want testing on a server? |
| 03:46.01 | mordy | aptitude reinstall '~i' stops and gives me an error that "Could not find files for <package". You may have to fix this package manually" |
| 03:46.03 | Guerin | bart_: because it could break at any time without warning and doesn't always get timely security upgrades. It usually doesn't break, and usually gets updates, but it's a moving target. |
| 03:46.04 | phorce1 | mordy: aptitude reinstall '~i' |
| 03:46.15 | bart_ | memnon: For iptables module connlimit works right... |
| 03:46.29 | phorce1 | mordy: try reinstalling that one package by hand |
| 03:46.36 | mordy | where package is probably a whole bunch of packages, since this happens with a different package each time i fix the package in question |
| 03:46.43 | memnon | Aehm ... yes ... |
| 03:46.43 | mordy | so it's not just an isolated package |
| 03:46.47 | Azar | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 03:46.53 | Guerin | mordy: if you want to run a server, run stable. If you want to run a server but need some specific feature not present in stable, you can run etchnhalf until the new stable is released. |
| 03:46.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:46.59 | Guerin | bart_: ^ |
| 03:47.28 | Guerin | Azar: welcome back. |
| 03:47.31 | mordy | azar, i didn't mean that.. i meant a 'clean' way of reinstalling, as opposed to using awk and xargs with apt-get |
| 03:47.33 | oOarthurOo | Isn't Lenny already pretty much the new stable. I mean... what does it have... like 10 rc bugs? |
| 03:47.37 | wea0 | OK, I installed ntfs-3g, connected an external USB-disk and I could just open it in KDE and it worked without a fstab entry. But my NTFS partition on the internal drive didn't get mounted. |
| 03:47.37 | Azar | Guerin, :) thanks |
| 03:47.38 | wea0 | Can I make it automatically mount all NTFS partitions or do I need fstab entries for the ones on my intermal disk? |
| 03:47.42 | phorce1 | pythonic: but why do it for something like a local mirror? Unless you DNS-proxy all possible mirrors people can simply choose one other than ftp.debian.org to bypass the reason for that proxy. |
| 03:47.45 | mordy | i.e. reading from dpkg --get-selections |
| 03:47.45 | Guerin | oOarthurOo: but it still changes daily. |
| 03:48.00 | Azar | mordy: Guerin's the man |
| 03:48.05 | bart_ | Guerin: etchnhalf has iptables connlimit working but iptables 1.3.6 isnt compatible, and iptables 1.4 > is only in the testing |
| 03:48.07 | memnon | Azar: Great link... |
| 03:48.29 | Guerin | bart_: bugger. |
| 03:48.32 | mordy | and you are the secretary? |
| 03:48.33 | mordy | lol |
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| 03:48.41 | pythonic | phorce1: transparent proxy is not just for access control :-) |
| 03:48.55 | Azar | hehe, I wish |
| 03:49.13 | bart_ | Guerin: so stable is bugged and testing not, lol? |
| 03:49.39 | dustybin | what package contains 'dig' ? |
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| 03:50.11 | Guerin | bart_: irony. If you can live without it a few weeks, do so. If not, take a few deep breaths and run testing. |
| 03:50.11 | phorce1 | dustybin: dnsutils |
| 03:50.16 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 03:50.20 | memnon | wonders if the bot needs an answer to the "Is lenny save already for me" question |
| 03:50.23 | sakoV2 | hey guys how is debian for a production webserver? i am debating between debian or CentOS for this |
| 03:50.42 | Guerin | sakoV2: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 03:50.51 | sakoV2 | k thnx |
| 03:51.23 | memnon | dustybin: apt-file is your friend |
| 03:51.26 | memnon | !apt-file |
| 03:51.26 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 03:51.28 | bart_ | Guerin: But isn't test supposed to be the Lenny? Lenny is near to be realease so a least should be stable, not? |
| 03:51.41 | dustybin | memnon: very clever mr bond, but not quite clever enough.. |
| 03:51.46 | sakoV2 | what was that debian ssl exploit about? |
| 03:51.58 | Guerin | bart_: it's close to stable, but that's not the same as being stable. It still changes every day. |
| 03:52.08 | memnon | dustybin: wrong answer? |
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| 03:52.17 | dustybin | :P |
| 03:52.26 | Guerin | sakoV2: it's pretty well documented on the interwebs. |
| 03:52.58 | dustybin | are there any bind experts here? |
| 03:53.06 | Guerin | dustybin: they live in #dns |
| 03:53.19 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
| 03:53.34 | memnon | Really, should the bot have an answer to this whole is lenny already ready question? Who could add it? |
| 03:53.48 | Guerin | memnon: see `testing' |
| 03:54.18 | mordy | any solution for my aptitude? |
| 03:54.35 | mordy | i know a lot of stuff is broken and a lot of files are flat-out missing/corrupted |
| 03:54.53 | memnon | Guerin: Yeah, but this does not fit for the current situation where everyone says: Oh testing is stable already, right? |
| 03:55.03 | Guerin | memnon: answer: no. |
| 03:55.11 | Guerin | no need for a factoid |
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| 03:55.28 | Guerin | we only use those to save keystrokes, or to provide an easy means to ridicule people |
| 03:55.29 | memnon | okay ... |
| 03:55.35 | mordy | !ridicule |
| 03:55.46 | Guerin | !irritate mordy |
| 03:55.46 | dpkg | mordy: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 03:55.58 | mordy | ROTFL |
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| 03:56.42 | mordy | i see dpkg no longer gives one of those answers when it doesn/t have a factoid for !<> |
| 03:56.52 | memnon | Well save keystrokes is what I thought of. There have been like 4 questions like this in the past hour or so |
| 03:57.23 | memnon | never mind ... |
| 03:57.38 | Guerin | memnon: you can always use !topicbadger foo |
| 03:57.44 | mordy | dpkg is very helpful, but it is a bit annoying when people pull the trigger on dpkg when the question is rather unique |
| 03:57.45 | dpkg | You are moron #20, mordy |
| 03:57.46 | Guerin | I find that works a treat |
| 03:57.56 | mordy | lol |
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| 03:59.10 | memnon | reads http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more about the bot... |
| 03:59.17 | mordy | dpkg -i 500-pr0n-v1dz |
| 03:59.17 | dpkg | removes a kidney from mordy and replaces it with 500-pr0n-v1dz |
| 03:59.44 | mordy | ok, i'll stop playing around with the bot before someone gets upset |
| 04:00.41 | mordy | but seriously, what do you do when you want to reinstall a system that's been broken? |
| 04:00.59 | Guerin | mordy: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 04:01.25 | Guerin | mordy: if that won't work, you can back up your data and run d-i again |
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| 04:01.48 | Guerin | doesn't take long if you save /etc /home /var/log and /usr/local |
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| 04:02.26 | mordy | the only viable solution seems to be the one with awk |
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| 04:02.34 | mordy | but for some reason i don't like that |
| 04:03.40 | mordy | and more importantly, i can't figure out why aptitude reinstall '~i' isn't working |
| 04:04.08 | mordy | says it's missing files.. it's obviously not the .deb it's complaining about, since aptitude would download it |
| 04:05.06 | Guerin | mordy: man dpkg, look at --force-confmiss; also see man aptitude for how to make aptitude use dpkg options |
| 04:05.30 | mordy | guerin, did that too |
| 04:05.50 | mordy | and dpkg bot tells you how do to that /msg dpkg confmiss :P |
| 04:06.05 | Guerin | mordy: if you'd started backup and reinstall from bare metal an hour ago you'd be drinking a nice cold beer now and telling yourself what a good job you'd done |
| 04:06.10 | Guerin | it's not too late to start |
| 04:06.20 | mordy | meh, i don't want to do that |
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| 04:06.31 | Guerin | mordy: stop complaining about it to us, then |
| 04:06.39 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 04:06.39 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 04:06.43 | Guerin | :) |
| 04:06.46 | mordy | lol |
| 04:07.15 | mordy | then what is the purpose of the aptitude reinstall command? |
| 04:07.40 | Guerin | mordy: it usually works. But the nature of b0rked systems is that they're b0rked. Things don't always work, by definition. |
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| 04:08.05 | mordy | but essentially i want to know what dpkg is trying to do, and how i can override it |
| 04:08.18 | mordy | and the thing is that i can't find any log or anything like that which gives me the information i want |
| 04:08.32 | memnon | mordy: Did you consider asking on the list? |
| 04:08.49 | memnon | !answers |
| 04:08.49 | dpkg | answers are amzing ... |
| 04:09.02 | mordy | i'm impatient, i love reading the mailing lists though :P |
| 04:09.52 | Guerin | dpkg, answers is also "Computers are useless, they can only give you answers." -- Pablo Picasso |
| 04:09.52 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 04:10.08 | jpinx | it's a real pita to download and install locally and catch all the dependencies |
| 04:10.10 | mordy | leave it to an insane spaniard |
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| 04:10.20 | Guerin | jpinx: use apt-zip or somesuch |
| 04:10.25 | Guerin | apt-move maybe? |
| 04:10.31 | Guerin | I forget the name, but there's a tool for this |
| 04:10.44 | jpinx | Guerin: ok -- looking ta |
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| 04:11.16 | memnon | jpinx: whats the hard part? finding and downloading or installing? |
| 04:12.40 | jpinx | memnon: I have to decide what's neded - what it depends on, then download it onto a USB stick, move that over to the laptop and install the .debs offline |
| 04:13.05 | memnon | mhhh.... |
| 04:13.34 | jpinx | it's to get a usb dialup modem working.... |
| 04:13.42 | mordy | hmm... what would --force-bad-path do? |
| 04:13.57 | jpinx | once that is connected I cna apt-get as usual |
| 04:14.05 | memnon | asks google |
| 04:14.17 | Unity_punk | hey all |
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| 04:15.02 | mordy | Your search - --force-bad-path - did not match any documents. |
| 04:15.02 | mordy | :| |
| 04:15.02 | jpinx | has been googling for 2 days...... |
| 04:15.02 | Unity_punk | im havin trouble with my xorg |
| 04:15.05 | Unity_punk | or with xserver in general |
| 04:15.22 | Unity_punk | its stuck in an unsupported resolution for my monitor |
| 04:15.35 | Unity_punk | 1240x1028 i believe |
| 04:15.40 | Guerin | Unity_punk: do you have an xorg.conf file? |
| 04:15.41 | Mark_Jones | Hello I just installed Compiz from my Debian Etch DVDs and I was wondering fi anyone can walk me through if I need a display driver and if I need to do any configureing other than just installingcompiz to get it working. |
| 04:15.47 | Unity_punk | yeah guerin |
| 04:15.56 | Unity_punk | its a fresh install of etch |
| 04:15.59 | Guerin | Unity_punk: are you running lenny? |
| 04:16.03 | Unity_punk | no |
| 04:16.03 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 04:16.12 | memnon | jpinx: I found this http://www.lugs.ch/lib/doc/apt-offline.phtml |
| 04:16.29 | Guerin | Unity_punk: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg; |
| 04:16.36 | Unity_punk | okay |
| 04:16.37 | Unity_punk | sec |
| 04:16.45 | gravity | -plow is redundant |
| 04:16.59 | Unity_punk | ehrm? |
| 04:17.08 | Guerin | oh, it is? good. |
| 04:17.09 | memnon | it suggest something like apt-get -qq --print-uris install install pakagename > /tmp/apt_list |
| 04:17.17 | gravity | Yeah, Branded wrote that message ages ago. |
| 04:17.21 | stoned | good evening |
| 04:17.23 | gravity | I thought I changed it also, but maybe not |
| 04:17.31 | Guerin | gravity: the no-xorg.conf function in newer xorgs is awesome, btw |
| 04:17.36 | memnon | jpinx: then awk '{print $1}' < /tmp/apt_list > /tmp/apt_list_new |
| 04:17.47 | stoned | Guerin, newer? |
| 04:17.50 | jpinx | memnon: sorry greek to me -- I mena german ;) |
| 04:17.51 | Unity_punk | so dpkg-reconfigure xorg? |
| 04:17.53 | liable | until it doesnt work |
| 04:18.03 | Guerin | gravity: it found a better screenmode for my ancient hitachi 21" than I could get a modeline for |
| 04:18.03 | Unity_punk | no plow? |
| 04:18.08 | memnon | jpinx: This gives you a list, just get rid of the quotes |
| 04:18.18 | Guerin | stoned: post-etch |
| 04:18.26 | gravity | Guerin: Rock! I'm glad to hear that. I always hear about the worst |
| 04:18.29 | memnon | jpinx: then you can use wget with this file to fetch all necessary files |
| 04:18.32 | gravity | Unity_punk: No, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:18.39 | Unity_punk | k |
| 04:18.45 | stoned | oh |
| 04:18.52 | jpinx | memnon: a list of what? |
| 04:18.55 | gravity | Unity_punk: dpkg-reconfigure xorg won't do anything. It's just a metapackage with no config scripts |
| 04:18.56 | memnon | jpinx: mh, thats why I shortened and translated the necessary steps :( |
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| 04:20.19 | Unity_punk | no x server known for my video hardware.. |
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| 04:21.20 | mordy | hmm... even aptitude -o DPkg::Options="--force-all" reinstall '~i' |
| 04:21.24 | mordy | doesn't work |
| 04:21.59 | mordy | d'oh syntax.. |
| 04:22.27 | mordy | nah, even fixing the syntax doesn't do it |
| 04:22.41 | Guerin | mordy: just fucking reinstall already |
| 04:22.50 | Unity_punk | gravity / Guerin wich xerver driver should i use |
| 04:22.54 | Unity_punk | got nvidia card |
| 04:22.56 | Unity_punk | so nv? |
| 04:23.00 | Guerin | Unity_punk: what video card do you have? |
| 04:23.02 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:23.02 | Guerin | nv |
| 04:23.36 | mordy | for me it's moore important to know what's broken than to have an 'easy resolution' |
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| 04:24.40 | mordy | and i expect that if something is broken, there is a way to fix it |
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| 04:26.59 | Unity_punk | done running the reconfig |
| 04:27.04 | Unity_punk | startx? |
| 04:28.12 | gravity | Unity_punk: Sure, give it a try |
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| 04:29.09 | Unity_punk | meh |
| 04:29.12 | Unity_punk | i rebooted |
| 04:29.18 | Unity_punk | and xserver failed to start. |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 04:29.22 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 04:29.25 | liable | try vesa |
| 04:29.41 | Guerin | no, use nv |
| 04:29.50 | Unity_punk | man |
| 04:29.51 | Guerin | Unity_punk: disable the kernel framebuffer |
| 04:29.56 | liable | no, try vesa |
| 04:29.57 | Unity_punk | why cant it detect my damn card |
| 04:30.07 | Unity_punk | kubuntu and ubunto both detected it. |
| 04:30.11 | Guerin | (set `UseFBDev to "no" in xorg.conf or just rerung drxx and choose it that way) |
| 04:30.22 | Unity_punk | arent they both built on deb? |
| 04:30.23 | gravity | nv may be too old for your card |
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| 04:30.38 | gravity | But yeah, if the kernel fb is enabled, disable it before trying vesa |
| 04:30.44 | Unity_punk | soo |
| 04:30.52 | Unity_punk | re run dpkg configre |
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| 04:31.47 | mordy | hmm... what would happen if i were to remove /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 04:31.57 | liable | gah, its so goddam hot here atm. |
| 04:32.02 | Guerin | mordy: you'd need to reinstall. |
| 04:32.17 | gravity | Unity_punk: Look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for errors |
| 04:32.21 | liable | mordy: it would cause cats and dogs to sleep together |
| 04:32.28 | Guerin | mordy: ... so I recommend it, becaus ethat will at least make you STFU about this non-problem :) |
| 04:32.40 | gravity | Unity_punk: Figuring out why it failed is way more productive than blindly running a rather stupid script |
| 04:32.50 | gravity | notes that he has every right to call it stupid :-) |
| 04:32.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:33.06 | Guerin | it's less stupid than it once was |
| 04:33.14 | gravity | Unity_punk: Plus, understanding things so you can fix them is the Debian way (or at least it used to be) |
| 04:33.21 | gravity | Guerin: Because I ripped out most of it :-) |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | remembers having to tell xfree86 his monitor could do 1280x1024 so it would do 1024x768 |
| 04:33.42 | Unity_punk | failed because of framebuffer. |
| 04:33.44 | mordy | thanks gravity |
| 04:33.45 | Unity_punk | said so in log |
| 04:33.45 | mordy | :) |
| 04:33.50 | Unity_punk | got it up now |
| 04:33.55 | Unity_punk | after turning framebuffer off |
| 04:33.58 | Unity_punk | thanks :) |
| 04:33.59 | nsadmin | judd versions gninjam |
| 04:33.59 | judd | nsadmin: gninjam -- |
| 04:34.10 | nsadmin | judd versions gtk+ |
| 04:34.10 | Guerin | hooray |
| 04:34.10 | judd | nsadmin: gtk+ -- |
| 04:34.16 | mordy | even though the comment was not in direct reference to my problem |
| 04:34.20 | toolz | liable! |
| 04:34.20 | gravity | Unity_punk: Yeah, that question is the suck. I wonder if I made that any less stupid in later versions... |
| 04:34.28 | Guerin | nsadmin: don't guess package names |
| 04:34.35 | liable | toolz: did the install fail in the end? |
| 04:34.35 | Unity_punk | lol |
| 04:34.36 | DanDare | So do you guys recommends using aptitude over apt ? |
| 04:34.37 | gravity | Gawd... you people are going to get me back working on X again. I just know it. |
| 04:34.40 | toolz | liable yes |
| 04:34.43 | Guerin | DanDare: yes. |
| 04:34.47 | toolz | Im here since then, lol and nothing |
| 04:34.49 | liable | toolz: with what error? |
| 04:34.51 | DanDare | ok Guerin thanks |
| 04:35.01 | Guerin | DanDare: well, not,. because aptitude is a frontend to apt, not a replacement. But you mean `instead of apt-get' |
| 04:35.15 | Meta | I need power management on my laptop |
| 04:35.19 | DanDare | Guerin, yes in this case |
| 04:35.23 | DanDare | so |
| 04:37.13 | Unity_punk | sweet.. |
| 04:37.17 | Unity_punk | now to master eggdrop.. |
| 04:37.41 | Unity_punk | man |
| 04:37.45 | mordy | it's good in a soup |
| 04:37.50 | nsadmin | master tcl |
| 04:37.51 | memnon | Meta: Whats the problem? |
| 04:37.58 | Unity_punk | taskbar says i dont have an eathernet connection even though eth0 is active. |
| 04:38.04 | Meta | memnon: I don't have any power management options... |
| 04:38.16 | mordy | taskbar? who? where? |
| 04:38.37 | mordy | well, there should be a setting to change which interface it monitors |
| 04:39.00 | memnon | Meta: What kind of laptop do you have? |
| 04:39.07 | mordy | although i do recall some network drivers which need to eb compiled mentioning explicitly that you want support for gnome's network manager |
| 04:39.07 | rking | Well, the whole Debian system worked for me yet again: the spiffy new install process detected all my funky hardware without troubles, and the community (#debian) led me through some issues that I was in a panic about. Thanks. |
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| 04:39.13 | Meta | memnon: Acer Aspire. |
| 04:39.23 | mordy | acer perspire |
| 04:39.46 | erflynn | does debian support brewing coffee? |
| 04:39.56 | erflynn | i need to know. |
| 04:40.38 | memnon | erflynn: Well, emacs does :) So: Yes. |
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| 04:40.49 | nsadmin | so I'm looking to get or compile this: http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=183609 |
| 04:40.49 | Meta | erflynn: As long as you have the required modules: Coffee and hot water. |
| 04:41.04 | Meta | Optional modules are milk, sugar and cream |
| 04:41.04 | erflynn | how about bong hits? |
| 04:41.27 | erflynn | :P |
| 04:41.42 | nsadmin | it requires this: http://www.gtkmm.org/ at least version 2.4, etch has 1.2 and I haven't located any back ports |
| 04:41.52 | Meta | memnon: Is there a package for power management utils? |
| 04:42.07 | Unity_punk | mordy says no ethernet devices detected |
| 04:42.10 | Unity_punk | top taskbar |
| 04:42.12 | Unity_punk | in gdm |
| 04:42.21 | memnon | Meta: working on it... |
| 04:42.22 | Unity_punk | yet. |
| 04:42.26 | Unity_punk | im looking at google.com |
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| 04:43.25 | haqe17 | How do I stop my swap (/dev/hdb7) being activated at boot ? |
| 04:43.35 | nsadmin | judd, versions libgtkmm-dev |
| 04:43.37 | judd | nsadmin: libgtkmm-dev -- etch: 1.2.10-8 lenny: 1.2.10-8.1 sid: 1.2.10-8.1 |
| 04:43.56 | memnon | Meta: What exactly are you searching for: suspending, shutting down hard drive, turn off display? |
| 04:44.02 | memnon | All of them? |
| 04:44.04 | nsadmin | no help there/here |
| 04:44.16 | Meta | memnon: And a battery monitor, yes. |
| 04:45.30 | memnon | Meta: Is this stuff not include in gnome or whatever you use? |
| 04:45.30 | Meta | I thought it would've been installed with the "laptop" option in the installer... clearly not |
| 04:45.48 | memnon | Meta: What DE do you use? |
| 04:45.53 | Meta | I thought it was a generic thing, but obviously it's not |
| 04:45.54 | Meta | Xfce |
| 04:47.54 | mordy | xfce generally tries to minimize all that bloated stuff, although you can download a gnome plugin |
| 04:48.04 | memnon | Meta: There is laptop-mode-tools, but I do not use it. |
| 04:48.07 | mordy | and then use the gnome applet container with xfce |
| 04:48.55 | mordy | meta, xfce will run any applet that gnome has; so if you find something to your liking that's in gnome, use it |
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| 04:49.01 | memnon | Meta: there is uswsusp. I used this to hibernate... |
| 04:49.19 | jpinx | meta - right click the tool bar and select "add items" and you'll see a few options there |
| 04:49.34 | memnon | but to be honest, I have no clue... |
| 04:49.43 | mordy | jpinx, AFAIK, xfce doesn't have any native power saving features |
| 04:49.48 | Meta | jpinx: Nothing there. |
| 04:50.15 | jpinx | xfce is a lightweight desktop and has very few gadgets |
| 04:50.21 | jpinx | maybe you should use gnome |
| 04:50.33 | Meta | I like xfce better than gnome |
| 04:50.53 | memnon | I just type 'hibernate' and it hibernates. Why would I need a "gadget"? |
| 04:51.13 | Meta | How can I check how much is left on my battery then? |
| 04:51.13 | jpinx | meta anything you add will pull in huge quantities of dependencies on gnome stuff |
| 04:51.20 | memnon | acpi |
| 04:51.21 | Meta | In percent |
| 04:51.39 | memnon | to be precise: acpi -b |
| 04:51.51 | Meta | bash: acpi: command not found |
| 04:52.21 | Meta | Ah |
| 04:52.23 | jpinx | meta - you can install the package |
| 04:52.25 | Meta | Needed to install it. :P |
| 04:52.25 | mordy | meta, from a quick search: debmed:/proc/sys# apt-cache search gnome power management |
| 04:52.28 | mordy | gnome-power-manager - power management tool for the GNOME desktop |
| 04:52.33 | memnon | aptitude install acpi |
| 04:52.48 | mordy | now i'm guessing you can use that with xfce |
| 04:52.53 | Meta | Sweet, thanks memnon |
| 04:52.57 | mordy | since generally gnome thingies will work with xfce |
| 04:53.01 | Meta | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.14 | jpinx | doesn't inderstand using xfce as a lightweight desktp and then adding a bloat...... |
| 04:53.28 | memnon | Meta: I think thats plain and not obtrusive. But if you want, use those gadgets. |
| 04:53.33 | mordy | for a laptop it's better if it's a bit more bloated and saves the battereis |
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| 04:53.42 | Meta | Nah, I'm happy with the command |
| 04:53.47 | memnon | Meta: WindowMaker is quite nice. Has lots of applets for such stuff |
| 04:53.49 | Meta | I'll give it an alias though |
| 04:53.55 | jpinx | mordy - then use gnome - which has good laptop support |
| 04:54.10 | mordy | lol |
| 04:54.10 | mordy | but gnome is overall heavier and more bloated than xfce |
| 04:54.18 | memnon | check laptop-mode-tools then |
| 04:54.21 | mordy | thereby consuming more battery because of more resource consumption in the first place :P |
| 04:54.38 | jpinx | you pays your money and takes your choices ;) |
| 04:54.48 | jpinx | uses lxde |
| 04:54.53 | mordy | lxde is nice |
| 04:55.00 | jpinx | really lightweight and cool |
| 04:55.07 | mordy | but if it's a powerful enough system, i'd go with xfce |
| 04:55.11 | memnon | Meta: but as I said, I do not use laptop-mode-tools, but it seems to be a set of tools youmight want |
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| 04:55.23 | mordy | lxde doesn't give enough bang for the buch though |
| 04:55.27 | mordy | buck |
| 04:55.42 | mordy | i mean xfce gives you much more for much less |
| 04:55.52 | heroxbd | hello. I have a debian on a server box. Is there a way to change the bios option inside debian? maybe mounting some firmware filesystem? |
| 04:55.59 | Meta | mordy: That's why I like it |
| 04:56.15 | mordy | i also like the hidden panels it has |
| 04:56.17 | Meta | My alias works |
| 04:56.25 | jpinx | mordy: it's all depending on what you want -- I don't use the desktop much..... |
| 04:56.27 | mordy | it gives me the bloat i want only when i want it |
| 04:56.30 | memnon | Meta: There is also powersaved. Lots of possibilities out there. Find what suits you best |
| 04:56.43 | mordy | when you're using firefox or something similar, it's a necessity |
| 04:56.57 | Meta | I don't use much of the junk for hibernation |
| 04:56.57 | jpinx | meta - you can hide the panels in almost all desktops |
| 04:57.13 | Meta | I would like my screen to go blank when I close my laptop lid |
| 04:57.28 | Meta | jpinx: I like it because it give me much more for much less. Not because of the panels |
| 04:57.33 | mordy | i don't know, xfce just "feels" clean |
| 04:58.03 | jpinx | heh - lxde is so lightweight it doesn't feel at all ;) |
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| 04:58.10 | mordy | meta, your screen should already go blank when you close the lid |
| 04:58.18 | Meta | mordy: But it doesn't. |
| 04:58.23 | Meta | Oh |
| 04:58.26 | Meta | Wait, it does now |
| 04:58.29 | Meta | It didn't used to |
| 04:58.40 | mordy | meta, it should always go blank, i've never seen a laptop screen that didn't go blank when closed |
| 04:58.57 | Meta | Hmmm |
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| 04:59.06 | mordy | did you peek under the cracks to see if it really went blank? |
| 04:59.14 | Meta | Yeah, it did this time |
| 04:59.15 | mordy | i mean really didn't go blank? |
| 04:59.19 | Meta | It didn't used to |
| 04:59.27 | mordy | scratches head :| |
| 04:59.34 | memnon | Meta: Have a look at the task XFCE. There is xfce4-goodies |
| 04:59.55 | memnon | Meta: provides a battery monitor |
| 04:59.56 | Meta | xfce4 goodies? xD |
| 04:59.59 | mordy | i use the goodies for sensors, weather, and some other junk :P |
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| 05:00.28 | Meta | Ahhh, I installed the sensors plugin manually |
| 05:00.56 | mordy | i <3 xfce4 :D |
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| 05:01.49 | mordy | it's a bit buggier than gnome though, but not as buggy as the behemoth of all DEs, KDE |
| 05:02.15 | memnon | jay, DE war ;) |
| 05:02.29 | Meta | Haha |
| 05:02.30 | memnon | *ratpoison* rulez! |
| 05:02.34 | Meta | KDE ftl. >.> |
| 05:02.45 | Meta | GNOME is the lowest I've sunk |
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| 05:03.48 | memnon | 88? mh... |
| 05:04.11 | Meta | oh hey |
| 05:04.18 | Meta | My wireless light is working |
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| 05:05.03 | carlosz | hi, i'm trying to install debian on an acer aspireone, can't pass the loading cdrom modules step (it doesn't have cdrom drive...) |
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| 05:05.52 | mordy | how are you installing? |
| 05:05.54 | carlosz | i've tried mounting my usb key with the installer on /cdrom but it says wrong cd |
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| 05:06.19 | carlosz | i'm installing from a lenny image in a usb key |
| 05:06.31 | memnon | carlosz: Does your system allow boot per usb? |
| 05:06.35 | carlosz | yes |
| 05:06.42 | memnon | did you try that? |
| 05:06.42 | carlosz | i get to the installer |
| 05:06.46 | mordy | the ISO is on the usb? or jus tth extracted contents of the CD? |
| 05:07.20 | yareckon | night peeps |
| 05:07.25 | carlosz | the iso is on the usb with unetbootin |
| 05:07.33 | mordy | carlosz, read the d-i guide, there is a special procedure for placing the ISO on the usb stick |
| 05:08.00 | mordy | first of all, the usb needs to be formatted specially |
| 05:08.00 | memnon | okay, installer starts. now, where begins your problem/ |
| 05:08.00 | memnon | ? |
| 05:08.01 | carlosz | the installer does load from the usb with no problems |
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| 05:08.21 | mordy | carolsz, it's a classic case of confusing the two stages of the installer |
| 05:08.23 | carlosz | when it gets to the cdrom loading step |
| 05:08.46 | mordy | basically, what happens is that the installer loads from the bootloader, because all the bootloader needs is an absolute path |
| 05:09.26 | Meta | Gwah. Javaaaa. :< |
| 05:09.33 | mordy | however loading the files from the 'cd' is a bit more complicated |
| 05:10.04 | mordy | furthermore, the ISO should be on a different partition too |
| 05:10.12 | memnon | carlosz: what docu did you read? |
| 05:10.29 | mordy | yeah, read the debian installation guide |
| 05:10.34 | haqe17 | How do I stop my swap (/dev/hdb7) being activated at boot ? |
| 05:10.36 | mordy | it's *fairly* comprehensive |
| 05:10.45 | mordy | just remove it from fstab |
| 05:11.11 | memnon | carlosz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 05:11.54 | memnon | carlosz: or to be more precise http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 05:11.54 | haqe17 | mordy: ok |
| 05:12.08 | carlosz | memnon: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne |
| 05:12.15 | Meta | Help? I can't install Java. :< |
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| 05:12.26 | Meta | It's not working in Iceweasel |
| 05:12.42 | liable | !install java |
| 05:12.42 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives> |
| 05:12.55 | carlosz | it just says the installation should proceed as normal |
| 05:13.16 | Meta | Ty |
| 05:13.17 | memnon | carlosz: looking at it ... mom ... |
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| 05:14.14 | carlosz | althought i'm installing from a lenny full cd, not the netinstall... |
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| 05:15.43 | mordy | carlosz, also, i have tried this on a similar computer, problems arise if you have a hidden partition on youru HD |
| 05:16.04 | mordy | so it's best if your HD is completely clean |
| 05:16.16 | carlosz | yeah, it has a 4gb hidden partition |
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| 05:17.02 | carlosz | but the problem is even before the partitioning part |
| 05:17.16 | mordy | carlosz, use a different computer to solve that |
| 05:17.22 | mordy | or remove the CD |
| 05:17.28 | mordy | (is thihs under warranty?) |
| 05:17.48 | mordy | or you can use some kind of live distribution, and i think busybox has fdisk or something like that (does it?) |
| 05:17.54 | memnon | carlosz: Sorry, I am too tired now (Its past 6 am here). I hope you can fix it. If not, try to ask on the mailing list. They are very friendly there. But be sure to ask gmane first ;). |
| 05:18.04 | carlosz | i've already partitioned it with gparted |
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| 05:18.31 | dustybin | what tool could i use to check if reverse dns is working? |
| 05:18.31 | carlosz | ok memnon thanks for the help anyway |
| 05:18.36 | mordy | carlosz, what's mounted as / ? |
| 05:19.06 | memnon | carlosz: What help? ;) |
| 05:19.15 | mordy | lol |
| 05:19.18 | memnon | Good night everyone... Have a nice day! |
| 05:19.51 | carlosz | can't remember now, it was tmpfs i think |
| 05:19.52 | nsadmin | night and day... |
| 05:20.05 | dustybin | found it! |
| 05:20.05 | dustybin | ebian:/etc/bind/zones# host 192.168.1.20 |
| 05:20.06 | dustybin | 20.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer yourDOMAIN.net. |
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| 05:45.40 | simplechat | hey, i'm setting up a debian box with ipv6. Its v6 ip is 2002:4312:bb37::1 and i'm not sure if its up or not. |
| 05:45.54 | simplechat | i can ping it, but its ping responce time is very much smaller then it should be (50ms vs. 300ms) |
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| 05:46.13 | simplechat | and it doesn't seem to be responding to any attempts to connect to it via that address |
| 05:46.19 | simplechat | so i'm wondering if i'm just looking at it wrong |
| 05:46.21 | simplechat | or what? |
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| 05:52.40 | mhymn | i know almost nothing about ipv6 but i think this might be helpful: http://www.howtoforge.com/using-ipv6-on-debian-etch |
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| 05:59.28 | raekism | !vmware |
| 05:59.28 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 05:59.49 | raekism | !vmware-package |
| 05:59.50 | dpkg | vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for sid - which provides a `make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. Read /usr/share/doc/vmware-package/README.Debian.gz and http://wiki.debian.org/VMware for package building instructions. See also <vmware support>. |
| 06:00.31 | mhymn | !tell raekism about msg the bot |
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| 06:10.58 | enouf | mordy: afaik, busybox doesn't have things like fdisk and lspci, but may have parted/partman, not sure - go look ;-) |
| 06:12.32 | Supaplex | what do you get when you cross lotsa binaries in $PATH? busybox. :) |
| 06:13.34 | liable | it does have fdisk |
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| 06:24.29 | enouf | liable: the debian installer version? |
| 06:24.48 | liable | enouf: of fdisk? |
| 06:25.27 | Supaplex | m00 |
| 06:25.48 | enouf | liable: the busybox udeb that's on the debian installer - yes, is fdisk there? |
| 06:26.32 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/busybox-udeb is no help - i guess svn is the way to see ;-) |
| 06:26.42 | liable | yeah its there, 2.13.1.1 |
| 06:27.11 | liable | busybox is version 1.10.2 |
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| 06:28.10 | enouf | hrm |
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| 06:39.58 | jones1 | Hey all |
| 06:40.13 | jones1 | How do I install the etchnahalf kernel on etch stable ? |
| 06:40.22 | jones1 | do I need to enable any other repos |
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| 06:43.58 | jones1 | How do I add etch backports to my sources.list ? |
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| 06:44.30 | nsadmin | backports.org has it maybe |
| 06:44.48 | \amethyst | !bpo |
| 06:44.49 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 06:44.57 | \amethyst | you don't need backports for etchnhalf though |
| 06:45.52 | \amethyst | just install the appropriate linux-image-2.6-<flavour>-etchnhalf metapackage |
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| 06:48.51 | nsadmin | smartguyz, so I'm going for food... if you want to get better results try being: specific, informative, concise, complete... oh, and after the burrito, I'm practicing scales |
| 06:49.05 | nsadmin | oh shoot, wrong channel |
| 06:50.51 | mordy | lol |
| 06:51.31 | mordy | ok, i think i found out some of the problems |
| 06:51.47 | mordy | it seems that all the packages dpkg is complaining about are obsolete |
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| 06:52.41 | mordy | but i'm still at a loss regarding what to do; i did aptitude full-upgrade which didn't seem to give any errors |
| 06:53.01 | mordy | so by that logic i'm wondering why there are still obsoleted packages |
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| 06:56.01 | nsadmin | !pastebin pipe |
| 06:56.02 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 06:57.00 | nsadmin | smartguyz Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 06:57.07 | nsadmin | arggghhh! sorry |
| 06:57.27 | mordy | haha which channel is this? |
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| 07:01.53 | debuniar | i have a usb modem. how do I check if it is properly set-up in udev rules? |
| 07:02.23 | dustybin | is 'desktop' a sub domain or a A record: |
| 07:02.25 | dustybin | desktop IN A 192.168.1.21 |
| 07:02.26 | Supaplex | debuniar: plug it in, and see if you get a usbttyS0 or something |
| 07:03.45 | debuniar | Supaplex: i am in a more advanced stage than that. i am having "/dev/ttySL0 : permission denied" problem. i want to look into udev rules but don't know what to look for. |
| 07:04.19 | \amethyst | debuniar: who is the owner of /dev/ttySL0 ? |
| 07:04.24 | debuniar | root |
| 07:04.26 | \amethyst | debuniar: owner and owning group |
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| 07:04.41 | debuniar | both are 'root' |
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| 07:06.33 | debuniar | more info. usb modem, smartlink modem driver. problem encountered in efax. |
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| 07:07.14 | debuniar | want to check if modem is properly set-up in udev.rules. |
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| 07:09.12 | \amethyst | debuniar: sounds like you need a rule like KERNEL="ttySL[0-9]", MODE="0660", GROUP="dialout" |
| 07:09.22 | \amethyst | (and make sure you are part of the dialout group, of course) |
| 07:09.28 | kovalenko | hi everyone. i'm on etch and i have problems running php5 built against latest libxml2 and libxslt (for an instance, a call to simplexml_load_file() consumes 100% cpu). had someone faced this issue yet and if yes, how it can be fixed? |
| 07:10.49 | debuniar | \amethst: that would be done in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules? |
| 07:11.14 | enouf | debuniar: for reference, /msg dpkg udev rules |
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| 07:13.12 | enouf | likely going to be /dev/ttyUSB0 or ttyASM0 or something - and make sure a 'groups' command, as username lists atleast 'dialout' and 'plugdev' (this is for a typical user here; adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev) |
| 07:13.20 | \amethyst | debuniar: maybe 92-local-permissions.rules (that way it runs right after the default permissions rules, but you don't have to worry about what happens when you upgrade udev) |
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| 07:15.12 | debuniar | ok, will give it a try. thks for now. |
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| 07:22.37 | k_t | hey; quick question... i accidentally changed the vid-res for boot and now i can't edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file... anyony have any ideas? |
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| 07:23.37 | debuniar | \amethyst: one last step. how to set up root to be in dialout group? is it done under System Admin menu? |
| 07:25.01 | Ace2016_- | k_t: on the boot loader press e on the selected entry |
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| 07:26.01 | Ace2016_- | it will allow you to edit it, remove the vga= part, press enter and b to boot, the commands are at the bottom |
| 07:28.21 | k_t | err... single user* |
| 07:28.24 | k_t | duh; smacks face |
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| 07:47.50 | mikeifying | can someone walk me through getting my players using the correct codecs to see avis ? |
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| 07:50.16 | mikeifying | does anyone know how to get movie player to see avis ? |
| 07:50.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | "see"? |
| 07:50.40 | mikeifying | well to make it so i can view them through it haha |
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| 07:50.50 | mikeifying | right now i just get a blue screen |
| 07:50.55 | mikeifying | and sound |
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| 07:51.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | is it totem? |
| 07:51.20 | mikeifying | urmm |
| 07:51.31 | mikeifying | yed |
| 07:51.34 | mikeifying | yes*** |
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| 07:52.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | try installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-base - i think its in them |
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| 07:52.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | if not, i have no idea sorry :| i don thave many gstreamer packages though, so theres not a lot of options. |
| 07:52.55 | mikeifying | kk lemme try |
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| 07:53.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | also, check to see whats in the avi - it could be using some silly non-free codec |
| 07:54.14 | aata | hey can anyone tell me how to get a basic text-only debian system running after which i can install my own gui? i was thinking download the netinst image and dont check any of thie install options... |
| 07:54.47 | aata | that should give me a basic cli and then i can install lxde or gnome or wtv on top of that... |
| 07:54.47 | nsadmin | aata: you could start by installing the base |
| 07:54.56 | aata | nsadmin how? |
| 07:55.25 | nsadmin | you need unpartitioned hd space, and you can get a netinstall cd and install from there |
| 07:55.35 | nsadmin | not too much different from ubuntu |
| 07:55.48 | aata | nsadmin doesnt it come with a partitioner? |
| 07:55.59 | nsadmin | yes it does |
| 07:56.16 | nsadmin | you still need the space L( |
| 07:56.18 | nsadmin | :) |
| 07:56.23 | aata | hehe for what? |
| 07:56.25 | nsadmin | argh, typo |
| 07:56.26 | mikeifying | lol damn 47 plugins XD |
| 07:56.30 | aata | cant i put it on a cd? |
| 07:56.54 | nsadmin | wait you mean the installer? yes, you do that first |
| 07:57.09 | nsadmin | or you mean a live cd? |
| 07:57.30 | aata | nsadmin why do i need space? if im going to wipe out the hard drive with the partitioner anyway, whats the problem? |
| 07:57.54 | nsadmin | no problem, so you have the space |
| 07:58.02 | aata | yup |
| 07:58.09 | aata | 60 GB of it :D |
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| 07:58.23 | nsadmin | you didn't say whether you wanted to keep stuff :P |
| 07:58.35 | aata | so nsadmin i download the netinst image 180mb) |
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| 07:58.52 | nsadmin | yeah, which one are you downloading |
| 07:58.55 | aata | and check nothing when it comes to that scereen asking you what to install |
| 07:59.02 | aata | i was thining lenny... |
| 07:59.19 | mikeifying | ok so no the gstreams plugins didnt work |
| 07:59.21 | mikeifying | -.- |
| 07:59.27 | nsadmin | lenny is pretty close to stable... |
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| 07:59.33 | aata | but? |
| 07:59.43 | nsadmin | older stuff |
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| 07:59.46 | joanes1 | Hey |
| 08:00.01 | mikeifying | ugh anyone know the name of the plugin i need to make my players play avi files? |
| 08:00.10 | aata | so i should install something older than lenny? |
| 08:00.16 | nsadmin | I know you're running ubuntu, I think they have newer stuff usually... so this will be a change |
| 08:00.33 | nsadmin | nono, you should install what you want... |
| 08:00.52 | nsadmin | lenny should be just fine |
| 08:01.03 | aata | yeah lenny worked fine on my eee |
| 08:01.10 | joanes1 | mikeifying: why don`t you install vlc ? |
| 08:01.15 | aata | but what i want most of all is that superfast bootup |
| 08:01.31 | nsadmin | can't promise you that |
| 08:01.33 | mikeifying | joanes1: i did but i just get a blue screen and audio |
| 08:01.36 | nsadmin | but it's pretty fast |
| 08:01.56 | aata | yeah i know ill try and follow the tips on the eee debian page they were pretty good |
| 08:01.56 | nsadmin | why, ubuntu wasn't fast booting? |
| 08:02.06 | joanes1 | oh |
| 08:02.33 | mikeifying | joanes1: and after installing the gstreamer plugins i dont even get that lol |
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| 08:02.46 | joanes1 | oh |
| 08:02.59 | joanes1 | Let me check, I just installed vlc |
| 08:03.03 | aata | nsadmin my ubuntu install is kind of messed up the video card isnt fuunctioning properly |
| 08:03.13 | aata | so i just thought id wipe it and start over :D |
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| 08:04.09 | joanes1 | I am able to play .avi files |
| 08:04.12 | nsadmin | oh, that's just one thing... you're welcome to wipe/install (btw, nothing you want to save in /home?) |
| 08:04.15 | mikeifying | hmm |
| 08:04.29 | nsadmin | but it's possible to fix without reinstalling |
| 08:04.31 | aata | nsadmin i havent booted up that machine for a while |
| 08:04.38 | mikeifying | idk then =[ |
| 08:04.53 | nsadmin | the one you want to install to? |
| 08:04.54 | joanes1 | You can try mplayer too |
| 08:05.00 | aata | but i copied all my music off |
| 08:05.10 | aata | dont think there are any useful documents |
| 08:05.16 | nsadmin | oh ok, nothing else? |
| 08:05.16 | mikeifying | hmm lemme get another avi maybe i just have a bad avi |
| 08:05.30 | nsadmin | ok, so you're all set then... what cpu is it? |
| 08:05.32 | aata | thats pretty much else what else would one leave on their hdd? any tips? |
| 08:05.36 | aata | i think its a p4 |
| 08:06.02 | nsadmin | oh ok, so you want the i386 arch |
| 08:06.23 | nsadmin | and probably i686 kernel |
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| 08:06.59 | nsadmin | aata: I'm a packrat... don't get me started :) |
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| 08:07.33 | aata | nsadmin im dling this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:07.47 | nsadmin | oh, that's etch |
| 08:07.58 | nsadmin | you can get that, install it, then upgrade |
| 08:08.12 | aata | oh shit wrong distro :P |
| 08:08.20 | aata | no no my nets effing slow 256 kbps |
| 08:08.22 | nsadmin | it's fine |
| 08:08.31 | nsadmin | oh ok well |
| 08:09.06 | nsadmin | either way, that's just the base that's on the cd (plus all of the installer) |
| 08:09.27 | aata | nsadmin can you give me the lenny link i cant seem to find it :P |
| 08:09.42 | nsadmin | I dunno where it is... |
| 08:10.12 | nsadmin | I'm somewhat considering upgrading the laptop to lenny |
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| 08:10.47 | nsadmin | !lenny netinstall |
| 08:10.47 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:11.19 | nsadmin | there ya go |
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| 08:12.14 | aata | yup i got there :P thanks :) |
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| 08:17.23 | aata | nsadmin you know how to compile a custom kernel optimized for the current machine |
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| 08:28.52 | nsadmin | aata: sure |
| 08:29.04 | aata | how? |
| 08:29.26 | nsadmin | the version you're running is the most convenient... that ok? |
| 08:29.54 | nsadmin | do you have lenny running already? |
| 08:29.57 | aata | i guess |
| 08:30.01 | aata | nope |
| 08:30.04 | Guerin | !guess |
| 08:30.04 | dpkg | [guess] an hypothesis based on nothing |
| 08:30.18 | aata | the installers downloading |
| 08:30.51 | nsadmin | get lenny going first, then we'll get to the kernel... but i686 is a p4, isn't it? |
| 08:31.06 | Guerin | nsadmin: anything newer than a ppro |
| 08:31.14 | aata | dunno? :S |
| 08:31.15 | Guerin | so in 2009 ... anything |
| 08:31.35 | nsadmin | he's installing on a p4-based machine |
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| 08:35.49 | stoned | oh boy |
| 08:35.54 | nsadmin | aata: the truth is i686 should work fine... anything less than that will be very slow |
| 08:35.56 | stoned | great success, now I can sleep |
| 08:35.57 | stoned | whats up guys |
| 08:36.03 | stoned | Guerin, nsadmin hi |
| 08:36.04 | nsadmin | sky |
| 08:36.07 | nsadmin | hi |
| 08:36.41 | aata | nsadmin do i need to download the kernel seperately? |
| 08:36.50 | nsadmin | no, it's all in there |
| 08:37.01 | stoned | check this out http://ws.podzone.org/template.php type in a keyword and hit the button |
| 08:37.16 | stoned | this is the interface still obviously not done just working on it |
| 08:37.25 | stoned | http://ws.podzone.org/save2.php?q=debian <-- or this |
| 08:38.07 | stoned | directly interface with my seo report building tool ;) oh man i worked all day on the logic im beat! I couldn't even spend time in here #debian even it sucked |
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| 08:38.32 | nsadmin | put in obama's mama |
| 08:38.34 | stoned | in fact the interface now even takes comma delimited words |
| 08:38.43 | nsadmin | the inner array was empty... |
| 08:38.46 | stoned | once I get it done, I'm doing this in a gui app and hopefully package in debian |
| 08:38.57 | stoned | well it works! finally |
| 08:39.01 | stoned | i'll tune it later |
| 08:39.24 | stoned | probably do it in php-gtk or maybe wx widgets i dunno |
| 08:39.29 | nsadmin | do you particularly like php? |
| 08:39.35 | stoned | yes |
| 08:39.57 | stoned | for web related stuff, there is nothing else |
| 08:40.39 | stoned | as a gui app, probably gonna go with wx python or whatever, once i write the logic its a piece of cake to port to other languges |
| 08:40.46 | nsadmin | check out photo.net... they used something else for that :) |
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| 08:40.55 | nsadmin | but I digress |
| 08:40.56 | stoned | what. ruby? asp.net |
| 08:41.02 | nsadmin | tcl |
| 08:41.06 | stoned | good lord |
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| 08:42.06 | nsadmin | look at what they accomplished... also see scorecard.org |
| 08:42.16 | stoned | im going to bed |
| 08:42.18 | stoned | my eyes hurt, gnite |
| 08:43.32 | nsadmin | what kernel comes with this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 08:43.56 | nsadmin | especially what arch |
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| 08:51.40 | jones1 | heya |
| 08:51.58 | dustybin | what is the difference between apt and aptitude ? |
| 08:52.04 | jones1 | How do I get the gdm-guest-session from ubuntu onto debian etch ? |
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| 08:54.05 | Strog_ | where can i see what arm prossessors are successfully working with the debian arm version |
| 08:55.38 | enouf | dustybin: /msg dpkg why{not} aptitude - same for apt ;-) |
| 08:56.21 | enouf | Strog_: debian.org/ports ? |
| 08:56.56 | enouf | maybe a #debian-arm* channel? |
| 08:56.56 | nsadmin | apt is the name of the original; aptitude is another program that also uses libapt |
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| 08:58.10 | nsadmin | the original name of apt is deity |
| 08:59.53 | nsadmin | but the first test of the apt libs was finished after the name change (you know that test program as apt-get) |
| 09:01.55 | dustybin | i just did a aptitude install telnet and it looked the same as apt-get install telnet |
| 09:02.16 | enouf | dustybin: basically a) the algorithms each use (and since Lenny), just basically b) pkgs marked as "hold" and c) perhaps those marked as Manual -- and the factoids mention how aptitude has no equivalent to certain apt options, but since Lenny, the databases each uses is the same (or even prior, or it always was? But i'm sure recall how Etch's apt doesn't track dependencies as well, and yet Lenny apt does, and also has Recommends: enabled as |
| 09:02.16 | enouf | default) |
| 09:03.24 | dustybin | so one should use aptitude instead of apt-get when using lenny? |
| 09:03.26 | enouf | aptitude can spit back cache info easier, or seemingly - the options are simpler than dpkg-query and say grep-status |
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| 09:04.07 | enouf | dustybin: i don't, it's a personal choice, but newcomers are directed towards learning aptitude for some reason |
| 09:04.32 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 09:05.03 | nsadmin | in lenny, apt-get took on the features of aptitude |
| 09:05.09 | dustybin | ohhh |
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| 09:05.16 | enouf | basically .. |
| 09:05.26 | dustybin | apt-get remove aptitude |
| 09:05.33 | enouf | heh |
| 09:05.38 | nsadmin | aptitude remove apt-get |
| 09:05.45 | dustybin | :o |
| 09:05.59 | nsadmin | or howbout: aptitude remove apt-get aptitude dpkg |
| 09:06.11 | nsadmin | then you'll have something to worry about :) |
| 09:06.23 | enouf | dustybin: deborphan/debfoster are not needed as much to clear dependent pkgs left over from installing a certain one that pulled them in |
| 09:06.25 | nsadmin | it probably won't let you do that :) |
| 09:07.06 | enouf | that is; since Lenny's apt-get |
| 09:07.13 | dustybin | ace :) |
| 09:08.17 | enouf | dustybin: aptitude has that 'aptitude why pkgname' for ex, and many other fun features :-P |
| 09:09.11 | enouf | hrm, is that equiv to apt-rdepends? or apt-cache rdepends? (no idea, i don't use aptitude) |
| 09:10.17 | dustybin | interesting |
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| 09:24.07 | ilaiho | does Lenny have DKMS or something similar? |
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| 09:24.36 | Supaplex | dpkg: wtf dkms |
| 09:24.38 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what dkms means... |
| 09:24.43 | ilaiho | I am annoyed beacuse I have to recompile madwifi every time when I upgrade kernel |
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| 09:24.58 | ilaiho | dpkg: madwifi |
| 09:24.58 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. AR5008 now supported in lenny. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:25.00 | liable | thats life |
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| 09:25.18 | liable | ilaiho: ath5k is in 26 and getting better |
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| 09:25.43 | ilaiho | liable: is there some howto about enabling it? |
| 09:26.05 | liable | ilaiho: modprobe ath5k (madwifi-tools blacklists the module) |
| 09:26.56 | ilaiho | liable: and what I should put to the interfaces file? |
| 09:27.22 | liable | ilaiho: the same as you do for madwifi, though the dev name may change.. |
| 09:27.47 | ilaiho | is the new dev name ath5k? |
| 09:27.58 | liable | no |
| 09:28.01 | ilaiho | dpkg: ath5k |
| 09:28.02 | dpkg | methinks ath5k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a new driver under heavy development. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 09:28.24 | ilaiho | hmm? |
| 09:29.29 | liable | modprobe -r ath-pci; modprobe ath5k; iwconfig .. |
| 09:31.30 | ilaiho | liable: thank you |
| 09:31.51 | liable | np |
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| 09:41.12 | ringo999 | using debian etch, how can i upgrade to the latest version of ekiga? |
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| 09:44.08 | nsadmin | ringo999: you can get either the latest compiled with/for etch in debian repos, the latest compiled with/for etch at backports.org, or you can compile it with/for etch |
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| 09:45.09 | nsadmin | in all of these cases, you will have to satisfy its runtime requirements. in the latter case, you will also have to satisfy its build requirements. |
| 09:45.19 | aata | nsadmin, a question |
| 09:45.32 | nsadmin | I am not! |
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| 09:45.45 | aata | i already installed lxde on my eee pc which was also running lenny |
| 09:45.59 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:46.03 | aata | is there anyway to copy the debs for /var/apt/cache or whatever |
| 09:46.25 | aata | and simply install tehm on the new computer without having to dl anything new? |
| 09:46.35 | nsadmin | they're just files, you can copy them wherever |
| 09:46.46 | aata | yeha i know that |
| 09:47.06 | nsadmin | the .debs that is |
| 09:47.11 | aata | but when you do apt-get install lxde |
| 09:47.13 | aata | it downlaods about a billion packages |
| 09:47.15 | aata | how do i make sure ive got all the right ones |
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| 09:47.38 | nsadmin | aren't they all in /var/lib/apt/archives? |
| 09:47.40 | aata | ? |
| 09:47.44 | gumbleup | hi, how do i verify if a package is installed? |
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| 09:48.02 | gumbleup | apt-cache search package? |
| 09:48.04 | nsadmin | dpkg -s <package> |
| 09:48.04 | dpkg | There is no record of a <package> package |
| 09:48.05 | aata | yeha i guess i could copy ALL of them |
| 09:48.13 | gumbleup | nsadmin: thanks |
| 09:48.33 | aata | that wouldnt do any ham ive got plenty of space |
| 09:48.49 | nsadmin | aata: then you'd have the same on both machines |
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| 09:57.41 | A623 | Can anyone help with shared network setup on PearPC client running on Debian lenny? I'm having troubles applying this http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/netsetup.html -- and I have very small networking experience |
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| 10:02.27 | gumbleup | running 2.6.18-6-amd64 debian, trying to ./configure glib-2.8.6, compile halts with configure: error: *** pkg-config not found, pointing to a non-existent URL at freedesktop.org. what is going on here? |
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| 10:03.54 | liable | !find pkg-config |
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| 10:05.35 | gumbleup | finally found it on freedesktop, but not where glib package instructions say, sigh |
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| 10:14.13 | Illusion | Hello folks, I have Ubuntu 8.10 64 bit Server - I want to install ebox but i'm getting various kinds of Depends: package but it is not installable errors. Had anybody the same issue and is he/she able to help me? |
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| 10:17.09 | liable | Illusion: wrong channel. you want #ubuntu |
| 10:17.23 | Illusion | ok sorry |
| 10:17.29 | ronny | anyone aware of a way to get ghc 6.10 on debian? |
| 10:17.31 | liable | no problem |
| 10:17.39 | ronny | need to upgrade my vserver asap |
| 10:18.16 | nsadmin | why do you need to upgrade? |
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| 10:18.36 | nsadmin | judd, versions ghc |
| 10:18.36 | judd | nsadmin: ghc -- |
| 10:18.48 | ronny | nsadmin: because i need to compile stuff that wont compile on 6.8 |
| 10:18.56 | nsadmin | ronny: ghc is not in debian at all, not by that name anyway |
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| 10:19.30 | ronny | judd, versions ghc6 |
| 10:19.31 | judd | ronny: ghc6 -- etch: 6.6-3 lenny: 6.8.2-7 sid: 6.8.2-7 |
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| 10:20.05 | nsadmin | ronny: you'll have to compile it |
| 10:20.14 | ronny | oh yikes |
| 10:20.14 | nsadmin | there are no backports available |
| 10:20.24 | nsadmin | time to learn how :P |
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| 10:20.53 | ronny | now i wish i had gentoo |
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| 10:21.31 | nsadmin | you can install gentoo any time you want... |
| 10:21.43 | ronny | nsadmin: not on a vserver thats not entirly managed by me |
| 10:22.02 | thereddot | when i add this line to the 'kernel' line in grub "vga=ask" and select a video mode i.e.: 322, it boots fine. but if i put vag=322 to menu.lst, when i boot the screen is black... i think it still boots, but the screen is black. |
| 10:22.16 | thereddot | vga* not vag |
| 10:22.37 | nsadmin | ronny: so the only thing left is learn how to compile it |
| 10:22.43 | gumbleup | haha, vag ... not somehting you see here often 8-) |
| 10:23.25 | ronny | nsadmin: i'd also have to package it, and i decided i'll not toch debian packaging tools ever again |
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| 10:23.43 | nsadmin | why would you have to package it? |
| 10:23.45 | ronny | i wont install packages that undermine the packagemanager |
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| 10:24.14 | nsadmin | then install them in places the package manager is not permitted to touch |
| 10:24.22 | ronny | cause that usually screws up random stuff at some point |
| 10:24.27 | thereddot | also.. 'savedefault' doesn't work here in grub |
| 10:24.35 | ronny | and if its just conflicting with incompatible other packages |
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| 10:26.01 | utrrrongeeb | I recently replaced a 17" 1280x1024 monitor with a 22" 1680x1050 monitor. (Both flat-panel LCDs.) The dual-booted Windows XP adapted fine, but Debian Etch has had multiple problems. A few days ago here someone advised I install 915resolution, which probably helped. The current problem is that the monitor demands a 60Hz refresh rate, and I don't know much about ModeLines. How can I get Xorg... |
| 10:26.02 | utrrrongeeb | ...to use a 60Hz refresh rate with 1680x1050? |
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| 10:43.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:43.19 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 10:46.38 | utrrrongeeb | To rephrase my rambling: How can I make Xorg use a 60Hz refresh rate at 1680x1050? How do I get a ModeLine, if necessary? |
| 10:47.15 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: does xrandr -q list that as an option? |
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| 10:47.36 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: else try gtf or cvt |
| 10:48.16 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: Where do I get xrandr, gtf, and cvt? I'm using Etch. |
| 10:48.56 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: if not already there I don't know |
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| 10:50.00 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: I'm sorry, but I'm using Windows at the moment. What is xrandr -q supposed to list? |
| 10:50.31 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: available resolutions |
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| 10:53.00 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: After using 915resolution (it's an Intel i810-class graphics chip), I think it tried the widescreen resolutions, but the monitor displayed an "Input out of range" message and went black. Its manual implies that that indicates too high a refresh rate. (It wants 60Hz.) |
| 10:54.08 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: could try gtf or cvt to create a modeline |
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| 10:54.45 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: Where do I get gtf or cvt? It's Etch. I tried /videogen/, but that hasn't helped (yet). |
| 10:56.06 | riz_ | I'm trying to schedule an update from crontab but I get this error: run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/saupdateopenprotector exited with return code 1 |
| 10:56.06 | riz_ | manually, it works fine |
| 10:56.30 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: can't find either in etch |
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| 10:57.24 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: but - if this is a laptop/desktop I'd personally use lenny anyway |
| 10:57.24 | EugenMayer | hello. Having 2 screens configured with the nvidia-settings app i ask myself now, if there is something i can use to configrue, which apps should start on which screen |
| 11:00.08 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: I suspected not. Unfortunately I'm on dial-up internet, so I tend not to dist-upgrade until I have the DVDs. |
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| 11:01.03 | cahoot | utrrrongeeb: there is an online service to create modelines - forgot the url - try google |
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| 11:04.52 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: Okay... I've been looking at the Xorg log. I should have earlier.... |
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| 11:14.01 | utrrrongeeb | cahoot: Thanks anyway. I'll go back to trying ModeLines (http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl) |
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| 11:27.48 | Stummvoll | Moin, eine Frage. Ich habe per curlftpfs ein ftp-verzeichniss bei mir gemountet |
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| 11:28.38 | Stummvoll | wenn ich jetzt mit gnome-texteditor da eine Datei öffene, sie bearbeite und dann wieder speichern möchte, erscheint die Meldung "gedit kann Dateien in 'file:'-Orten nicht speichern." |
| 11:28.56 | Stummvoll | hat jemand eine Idee? Zugriffsrechte hab ich |
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| 11:29.11 | nsadmin | !de |
| 11:29.11 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). DE == Desktop Environment |
| 11:29.27 | Stummvoll | oops.. sorry |
| 11:29.59 | nsadmin | no problem, you might get more help if there are more german speakers... unless you want to try english |
| 11:32.03 | Stummvoll | I think, i would blame here with my english ;) |
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| 11:37.01 | djace | any idea on how to recursively compare two directories based on filename and filesize (not contents) ? |
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| 11:37.37 | themill | why would you not be interested in the contents? |
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| 11:38.03 | djace | cause i want to run it on two 200GB+ and I don't want it to take forever :D |
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| 11:39.23 | julian | i'm having real probs trying to connect to WPA protected networks with the Intel 5100 AGN running 2.6.27's iwlagn driver on Debian Lenny. |
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| 11:39.36 | julian | the card associates and then is almost immediately dissociated. i've tried on several networks with wpa_supplicant with no luck and see several others with the same unresolved problem. |
| 11:39.57 | phrozen77 | i want to install the nginx httpd from debian testing on debian stable (i know, mixing releases is bad) and been using the method outlined on http://wiki.codemongers.com/InstallingFromDebianRepositories to achieve that, however on an apt-get -s upgrade it wants to upgrade everything including the kitchen sink - any way to avoid that? |
| 11:39.58 | themill | djace: you could construct two "find" statements (which can include the file size in the output) and then either use diff or comm to compare the output of find |
| 11:40.55 | liable | julian: seeing as you are using a mainline kernel, your best bet is on linux-wireless mailing list (which of course they will tell you to use the latest kernel)\ |
| 11:41.11 | themill | phrozen77: you usually can't just install packages from testing into stable like that. /msg dpkg pinning ; /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:41.35 | djace | themill, thanks |
| 11:41.53 | phrozen77 | themill, i've pinned nginx according to the page on which they claim "This will make apt track the package nginx from testing, while trying to resolve all its dependencies in stable first, but going to testing if required. " Doesnt quite seem to work however... |
| 11:43.05 | themill | phrozen77: since the package in testing requires lenny's libc6, this is highly inadvisable. I'm presuming whoever wrote that hasn't tried it, or hasn't tried it in in the last 18 months. |
| 11:43.19 | phrozen77 | pretty much looks like it |
| 11:43.26 | themill | phrozen77: see "apt-cache show nginx" and look at the "Depends" lines. |
| 11:43.48 | phrozen77 | themill, i presume the nginx package from backports wouldnt require updating everything? |
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| 11:45.55 | zzattack | hi, I'm having some problems with my internet setup; I can usually connect to my box through ssh but sometimes I just can't, however if I try again later it seems to work just fine. Often also, when logged in through ssh, I cannot ping other internet addresses. When I take down eth1 everything works fine remotely, but obviously the rest of my network has no internet connectivity anymore. |
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| 11:47.45 | zzattack | my route and ifconfig output are here http://rafb.net/p/4avVYc73.html, can someone see what's goign wrong? |
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| 11:49.06 | nsadmin | the problem is you have two default routes |
| 11:49.47 | julian | liable: yes, i suppose you're right. admittedly i've developed such good faith in the Debian kernels the last few years that i've enjoyed /not/ hand-rolling my own anymore. |
| 11:51.25 | nsadmin | the address to which the default route goes should be the one that's in your subnet |
| 11:51.42 | liable | julian: oh, so you are using a 26 kernel? at any rate, you need to either bug the intel or linux-wireless list. its not in debian kernels, so its a bit hard to get support here for it |
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| 11:53.10 | themill | phrozen77: correct, although that's an older package than the one in lenny. |
| 11:53.24 | themill | judd: versions nginx |
| 11:53.25 | judd | themill: nginx -- etch: 0.4.13-2 etch-backports: 0.5.35-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.6.32-3 sid: 0.6.34-2 experimental: 0.7.14-1 |
| 11:53.33 | phrozen77 | yep |
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| 11:54.09 | phrozen77 | while i dont really know what the improvements of 0.5.x or 0.6.x over 0.4.x are - it certainly looks ancient :) |
| 11:54.23 | nsadmin | themill: heya.... |
| 11:54.43 | nsadmin | I used to go to backports.org for them... are they now elsewhere? |
| 11:54.57 | phrozen77 | for what? |
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| 11:55.29 | nsadmin | for backports :) |
| 11:55.47 | phrozen77 | backports is backports is backports - or so i guess :) |
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| 11:56.19 | nsadmin | something changed tho |
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| 12:05.30 | zzattack | nsadmin: how can I accomplish that, setting the default route to be the one in my subnet? Also I have 2 defaults, can I change the order of them? |
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| 12:08.36 | zzattack | also, ping times seem rediculously high, over 200 ms to google on a 100mbit line, can that have anything to do with it? |
| 12:08.41 | nsadmin | zzattack: why do you have two defaults? do you have two subnets on that wire? |
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| 12:09.02 | zzattack | there's 2 interfaces, one for WAN (eth0) and one for LAN (eth1) |
| 12:09.16 | nsadmin | so this is a gateway? |
| 12:09.39 | zzattack | yeah indeed |
| 12:09.53 | nsadmin | ok... what you can do is this... |
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| 12:10.09 | mark44 | hi, is there a way to run apt-get and see the full url that it downloads the .deb file from? |
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| 12:10.37 | nsadmin | first off, the only default route that box needs is the one that gets to the rest of the internet |
| 12:11.04 | nsadmin | the boxes that connect over the lan port need a default route to the inside address of the gateway |
| 12:11.10 | zzattack | oh maybe this helps to identify by the way, eth1 gets its address from a dhcp server elsewhere |
| 12:11.28 | nsadmin | that's fine |
| 12:11.35 | zzattack | okay |
| 12:11.58 | zzattack | and all clients also get their internal ips from that dhcp server, but this dhcp server sets the gateway to itself |
| 12:12.02 | nsadmin | and the outside dhcp server must supply the default route |
| 12:12.28 | nsadmin | that's not going to work properly |
| 12:12.30 | julian | liable: i'm using 2.6.27.. yes it's not in the debian kernels. by asking here i was trying to ascertain whether the problem was at the driver level or something to do with wpa_supplicant, debian and this card more generally. |
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| 12:12.48 | zzattack | however that seems to work fine as the device that does the dhcp serving is a router, i set the gateway to statically be my gateway |
| 12:12.50 | julian | liable: but you're right, it's most likely at the driver level. |
| 12:12.56 | nsadmin | if you'er going to do dhcp for the inside clients, you need to run that dhcp server |
| 12:13.10 | nsadmin | what is the subnet on the lan? |
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| 12:13.16 | liable | julian: it is almost certainly at the driver level |
| 12:13.17 | zzattack | 10.31.45.0/8 |
| 12:13.38 | julian | liable: cheers, i'll ask on the list. |
| 12:14.04 | nsadmin | ok, the only default route that the inside machines should get is the address inside that subnet and referring to the gateway |
| 12:14.31 | nsadmin | would that address be 10.31.45.1? |
| 12:14.34 | phrozen77 | by the looks of it, the nginx package from backports is also almost a year old - is there any info available on how often packages in backports are updated? |
| 12:14.37 | zzattack | .10 |
| 12:15.45 | nsadmin | ok, that's the address that should be in the machines inside the lan (but NOT the gateway itself) |
| 12:15.45 | zzattack | nsadmin: we used to have a regular router, but it cannot handle the 100 mbit connection so I hooked up the modem on a debian box and through some switches the linksys router is connected to the server |
| 12:15.52 | zzattack | I chose to run the dhcp server on the linksys router because of the handy web interface that coems with it |
| 12:16.30 | zzattack | alright, so eth1 shouldn't have a gateway for me? |
| 12:16.48 | nsadmin | so the linksys router acting as dhcp server is not the gateway? and not even -a- gateway? |
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| 12:17.09 | zzattack | I set the operating mode to router instead of gateway |
| 12:17.13 | nsadmin | nothing is connected to its way port? |
| 12:17.21 | zzattack | no there's nothing on its wan port |
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| 12:17.23 | nsadmin | wan |
| 12:17.38 | zzattack | however it supplies dhcp clients with itself as gateway |
| 12:17.57 | nsadmin | ok that's not going to work |
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| 12:18.08 | zzattack | I statically set the linksys router to have ip 10.31.45.1, subnet 255.0.0.0 and gateway 10.31.45.10 |
| 12:18.17 | nsadmin | it needs to tell the clients the actual gateway |
| 12:18.37 | zzattack | yeah I thought so too, but it seemed to work fine on the clients |
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| 12:19.09 | zzattack | alright I jsut rebooted the box and haven't been able to connect to it ever since, for like 10 minutes |
| 12:19.27 | zzattack | and now I just tried again and I could connect fine, however it hangs after entering my password |
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| 12:19.29 | nsadmin | isnt' there a dhcp server that has a gooey interface? |
| 12:19.57 | zzattack | yeah there are |
| 12:20.48 | nsadmin | I'd recommend you take the linksys out of service and put the dhcp server either on the gateway or on one of the other inside boxes |
| 12:21.15 | zzattack | we need the linksys for the wireless access point |
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| 12:21.38 | nsadmin | oh, ok... so then just turn its dhcp server off |
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| 12:21.48 | zzattack | alright |
| 12:22.09 | nowhereman | hi, do you know what olsrd wants to tell me with "TIMER: fire unknown timer 0x8c37490, ctx (nil), at clocktick 1193:02:45.8" ? |
| 12:22.30 | nowhereman | and "TIMER: fire unknown timer 0x8c37450, ctx 0x8c330b0, at clocktick 1193:02:45.6" |
| 12:23.06 | nowhereman | I have a working setup of olsrd on my openwrt-routers, but debian doesnt take over the routes... |
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| 12:25.18 | nsadmin | zzattack are the inside machines all linux boxes? |
| 12:25.34 | zzattack | uhm, maybe 2 |
| 12:26.18 | nsadmin | also the linksys is either going to have to bridge to do the wireless, or you need to set it up as a nat (so you'll have a nat in a nat) |
| 12:26.21 | zzattack | nsadmin: once I set up a DHCP server on the gateway or some other client computer, I have to make sure clients get 10.31.45.10 as gateway not through some sort of relay? |
| 12:27.08 | zzattack | well obviously, i meant asking whether that's all? |
| 12:27.16 | nsadmin | do you have just one real IP? |
| 12:27.29 | zzattack | yeah, unfortunately |
| 12:27.30 | nsadmin | and probably dynamic? |
| 12:27.46 | zzattack | no the WAN is static |
| 12:28.04 | nsadmin | but still just one address |
| 12:28.15 | zzattack | yeah |
| 12:28.41 | zzattack | I can get an extra one for like $25 a month which is half the cost of the connection |
| 12:29.09 | nsadmin | so... what you can do is have the linksys wan port connect as an inside client, turn the dhcp on for the wireless, and give it a different subnet to serve |
| 12:29.34 | nsadmin | then you'll have a wireless nat as a client of the wired nat |
| 12:29.39 | zzattack | which would make having services on the wireless clients near hopeless? |
| 12:29.56 | nsadmin | services? |
| 12:30.07 | zzattack | public ftp or something |
| 12:30.18 | nsadmin | you want to run services on wireless? |
| 12:30.26 | zzattack | nah ;) |
| 12:30.39 | zzattack | however i'm not sure if what you say is right |
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| 12:30.57 | nsadmin | this is one way to arrange things |
| 12:31.18 | nsadmin | you don't have to spend the $25/month |
| 12:31.29 | zzattack | with my parents I have 2 linksys routers as well, and the first one which gets the WAN ip has a LAN port connected to another LAN port on the second router, and the second router is serving wireless clients |
| 12:32.02 | nsadmin | do they have their own connection/IP? |
| 12:32.16 | nsadmin | or is it all one happy family? |
| 12:32.23 | zzattack | just one WAN ip |
| 12:32.28 | nsadmin | if the latter... there's more work to do... |
| 12:32.49 | zzattack | nsadmin it's not really a proven setup to me, but it seems to work pretty fine |
| 12:32.56 | nsadmin | so the entire house is served by one connection? |
| 12:33.02 | zzattack | yeah |
| 12:33.09 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 12:33.24 | nsadmin | how many wireless routers are there that need to be up? |
| 12:33.35 | zzattack | where? |
| 12:33.48 | zzattack | just one at the place im having trouble |
| 12:33.49 | nsadmin | in the entire house, served by that connection |
| 12:34.03 | nsadmin | I need to see the total picture tho |
| 12:34.12 | zzattack | ill make a sketch |
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| 12:34.27 | nsadmin | using etch? |
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| 12:38.30 | zzattack | lenny |
| 12:39.12 | zzattack | http://zzattack.org/net.png |
| 12:39.51 | zzattack | ah great, ssh login works again |
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| 12:42.45 | zzattack | hrm, can wireless clients obtain an ip from the debian box or will it have to be given by the access point? |
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| 12:44.48 | Eulex | zzattack, can be provided by the debian box afaik. does the ap even have a dhcp server? |
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| 12:45.17 | zzattack | the AP is a linksys router, so yea |
| 12:45.37 | nvts | any good & quick ways to display xml in cli in some fancy way? I want an rss displayed in pure text |
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| 12:47.03 | nsadmin | me drawing picksure :) |
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| 12:48.25 | hoxu | nvts, xml2 |
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| 12:49.50 | nvts | hoxu: thanks |
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| 13:03.36 | nsadmin | ok finally got it... it's still sucky but it shows it |
| 13:04.06 | nsadmin | !picpaste |
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| 13:04.13 | nsadmin | !paste |
| 13:04.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 13:05.43 | yage7373 | hi, is there a way to run apt-get install <something> and discover the full url to the .deb file that it downloads? I've tried using tcpdump -xX but the packets seem to be compressed :/ |
| 13:07.07 | hoxu | yage7373, you might want to check the Filename field on "apt-cache show <package>" |
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| 13:08.02 | nsadmin | http://picpaste.com/alan.png |
| 13:08.10 | yage7373 | thanks:) |
| 13:08.37 | nsadmin | zzattack take a look at that |
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| 13:13.02 | zzattack | nsadmin thanks |
| 13:14.56 | nsadmin | zzattack: so the wired pcs would be on the original subnet, you would define a separate subnet for the wireless which the linksys would serve with its dhcp, so you'd have a wireless nat as a client of the original wired nat |
| 13:15.14 | nsadmin | default routes... |
| 13:15.33 | nsadmin | the default route of any wireless client would be to the linksys |
| 13:15.51 | nsadmin | the default route of any wired client including the linksys would be the debian box |
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| 13:16.15 | nsadmin | the default route of the debian box would be whatever it got from the cable modem |
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| 13:16.57 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to boot debian from a USB pen on a mac book pro? |
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| 13:17.39 | renton_ | hello do you know some software like "sopcast" who runs on linux? thanks |
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| 13:17.53 | nsadmin | zzattack, get all that? |
| 13:18.02 | renton_ | or some p2p television software |
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| 13:20.31 | zzattack | nsadmin: sounds perfect |
| 13:21.39 | nsadmin | zzattack: lastly... you need two nonoverlapping subnets, the one you already have for the wired net, another that the linksys would serve to wireless clients |
| 13:22.30 | zzattack | i heard about this website learntosubnet.com or something like that, i think im gonna take a look at that |
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| 13:26.32 | zzattack | nsadmin: I'm not at the place right now so I can't plug anything in the WAN port of the linksys right now but i'll definitely to let you know when it works |
| 13:26.34 | zzattack | thanks a lot |
| 13:28.01 | nsadmin | yep... like I said, that's one possible way it could work... and btw, you can get the second subnet quite easily... your existing subnet x.y.z.0/24, another subnet x.y.z+1.0/24 |
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| 13:37.55 | R` | hey guys i changed my umask to 000 ( http://pastebin.com/d56b051c1 ) but when i login to my shell as root, i get an error now ( http://pastebin.com/d3c1d8fe1 ) anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 13:38.54 | martian67 | reversed engineered broadcomm firmware |
| 13:38.54 | martian67 | :D |
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| 13:40.55 | elik | R`, well, I'm no bash expert, but it sure seems like you got it wrong in your bashrc |
| 13:41.23 | elik | R`, if you modified bashrc and now have issues when logging in, it's most likely cause those modifications are not right |
| 13:41.37 | elik | as bashrc is exected every time you log on |
| 13:41.42 | R` | yeah |
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| 13:41.47 | R` | i think so too |
| 13:41.54 | R` | but i really want umask 000 |
| 13:42.10 | R` | so i changed it like that, one little number, and now this happens :~( |
| 13:42.32 | CoolCold | hi |
| 13:42.39 | elik | R`, well... one thing for sure, you are missing ; after your umask 000 |
| 13:42.41 | elik | CoolCold, hi |
| 13:42.45 | CoolCold | i have /dev/sda with 3 partitions |
| 13:43.00 | CoolCold | and free space at the end of it |
| 13:43.04 | elik | R`, but if something else samething.... that's pretty much, something |
| 13:43.18 | elik | CoolCold, ok |
| 13:43.18 | CoolCold | so removed 3rd partition and created new, but larger |
| 13:43.51 | CoolCold | so, cfdisk sees partitions, but cat /proc/partitions is still old |
| 13:43.55 | CoolCold | partprobe doesn't help |
| 13:44.11 | CoolCold | are there any other ways to reread that table? |
| 13:44.19 | asg | reboot |
| 13:44.26 | dutchfish | CoolCold, sfdisk or fdisk, cfdisk seams to be hosed up atm |
| 13:44.31 | R` | elik; you mean the umask 000 above or below "else" ? |
| 13:44.57 | CoolCold | fdisk sees it too of cuz |
| 13:45.13 | CoolCold | asg: this is the default way, but with downtime ;( |
| 13:45.38 | dutchfish | CoolCold, then cfdisk/fdisk did not reread at the crucial point |
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| 13:46.04 | dutchfish | CoolCold, do then what asg said |
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| 13:46.24 | elik | R`, you do the same thing in case of if and else... there is no point taking a decision here |
| 13:46.33 | CoolCold | i c... |
| 13:46.51 | asg | I'm surprised partprobe didn't work though |
| 13:46.53 | elik | R`, if there is no more milk, go buy some, otherwise, go buy some |
| 13:46.54 | dutchfish | CoolCold, leave cfdisk atm, it has serious unfixed problems! |
| 13:47.32 | CoolCold | usually partprobe helps |
| 13:47.59 | R` | elik; ok i removed the else and it still gives the same error |
| 13:49.00 | elik | R`, ok, I'm really not sure you want umask to 000 |
| 13:49.31 | R` | yes i want to do that |
| 13:49.36 | elik | R`, you put that on your root account.. are you aware of the security threat that represents |
| 13:49.54 | R` | i'm not looking to jusfity security reasons i just want umask 000 |
| 13:49.57 | R` | how to do it? |
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| 13:50.48 | elik | hello, is assisted suicide legal here? |
| 13:50.57 | R` | yes, now tell me :) |
| 13:51.01 | hoxu | no |
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| 13:51.16 | hoxu | R`, what is the actual problem you are trying to solve? |
| 13:51.37 | R` | well |
| 13:51.43 | R` | the actual problem is |
| 13:51.45 | R` | guys, i have a problem. i have a chat tool on my web site which continuously writes data to new directories and log files under /data. the issue is that the dirs/files it creates under /data, using the "apache" username, are all made with limited permissions, such as no write access for external users (meaning people who chat on my web site their chat text doesn't appear to anyone because the chat text logs can't be written by anyone but "apache") -- how can i solve t |
| 13:52.11 | hoxu | what distro? |
| 13:52.12 | R` | and from reading the web i found out that "apache" grabs its defuault permissions from the "root" account, which can be adjusted by umask |
| 13:52.33 | R` | debian |
| 13:52.38 | hoxu | also, your line was cut off at "-- how can i solve t" |
| 13:52.42 | dutchfish | R`, if you dont understand why this is as it is, dont change it (security), use a database backend instead |
| 13:52.44 | hoxu | apache does not use "apache" username in debian |
| 13:53.15 | R` | dutchfish; my chat tool doesn't use a database |
| 13:53.27 | dutchfish | R`, well, make it so ... |
| 13:53.34 | R` | lol GL with that |
| 13:53.35 | xand | it's a bad idea to let your webserver create files |
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| 13:53.42 | hoxu | R`, you could change group of the directory to something else, and chmod it g+s |
| 13:53.58 | R` | guys, please stop the security concerns :) i only want to know how to make root umask 000, can anyone tell me? |
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| 13:54.12 | asg | no |
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| 13:54.38 | hoxu | R`, with the setgid bit set, newly created files in the directory will be owned by the group owning the directory |
| 13:55.00 | dutchfish | R`, thats not the right question, apche runs as a dif user then your files are created and CANT have access |
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| 13:55.39 | themill | R`: apache doesn't run with user "apache" in debian anyway, so you're either not running debian or you hav even less clue than you appear to. |
| 13:56.02 | elik | votes for the second option :D |
| 13:56.04 | R` | ok ok it's really centos, but i just wanted to ask in many channels because i thought most linuxes were the same |
| 13:56.21 | elik | oh, I fail |
| 13:56.29 | R` | :~( |
| 13:56.31 | themill | R`: please ask them. And don't ask in more than one place at a time. It's plain rude. |
| 13:57.08 | elik | plus, you really should try to fix the problem at the source... hacking your way around will just backlash at some point |
| 13:57.25 | hoxu | R`, forget about the umask 000, and see what I said about setgid directories, but as you've been warned, your piece of software is a gaping security hole most likely |
| 13:57.58 | themill | goes to R`'s website and tries a username of ../../etc/passwd |
| 13:58.39 | elik | it's even better than SQL injection |
| 13:58.45 | R` | lol |
| 13:58.47 | zzattack | nsadmin: one more thing i'm wondering about, can I maybe have the linksys forward upnp requests to the debian box? or would it be a better idea to forward everything that is not caught in the iptables chains to the linksys? |
| 13:58.55 | R` | you guys are making fun of me for being a linux noob:P |
| 13:59.28 | elik | we're just teaching you the basis, before you learn it the hard way |
| 13:59.44 | themill | R`: no, we're making fun of you because you're trying to tell us that you know what you're doing and you're ignoring very good advice because you're determined to do things in a crazy way. |
| 13:59.45 | R` | ok |
| 13:59.47 | hoxu | R`, no, but 1) ask on the support channel of your distro, and only one channel at once 2) ask for a solution to the *original* problem 3) learn from the suggestions you get from people instead of ignoring them |
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| 14:00.07 | toolz | liable around? |
| 14:00.24 | elik | R`, it's ok to be a linux noob :) |
| 14:00.36 | themill | R`: you might like to do some reading too: /msg dpkg grounding ; /msg dpkg general cli tutorial ; /msg dpkg permissions ; /msg dpkg multiple ask |
| 14:01.57 | liable | toolz: yes, not for much longer though |
| 14:02.21 | toolz | damn |
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| 14:02.28 | toolz | liable I tryed pluggin in another cd-rom same shit |
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| 14:02.46 | toolz | I have an 1200+ server and I cant use it |
| 14:02.46 | toolz | lol |
| 14:02.56 | toolz | 1200+ $$$$ |
| 14:03.04 | liable | toolz: the official cd's wont work. you need the driver in your initrd. the only one that will is the usb install |
| 14:03.24 | toolz | I dont remember the yesterday error |
| 14:03.28 | toolz | I will retry with the usb install |
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| 14:04.05 | liable | toolz: you dont need to use the one i gave from eeepc, the official usb installer, or a hd-media installer should work |
| 14:04.25 | liable | toolz: but a cd based install will not work |
| 14:04.28 | toolz | can you please show me a link |
| 14:04.29 | toolz | yeah |
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| 14:05.49 | themill | R`: oh and another thing for your reading pile: /msg dpkg xyproblem |
| 14:05.59 | liable | toolz: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch05s01.html#usb-boot |
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| 14:08.30 | elik | themill, hey, dpkg entry is wrong... XY_problem does not exist (anymore) on wikipedia |
| 14:08.47 | themill | elik: bastards |
| 14:09.08 | elik | Thingg did it! |
| 14:10.01 | hoxu | I removed the wikipedia link from the factoid |
| 14:10.31 | elik | how do you do that exactly? |
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| 14:10.59 | hoxu | !tell elik about bot help |
| 14:11.11 | toolz | liable I dont get the images |
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| 14:11.31 | lastnode | woah lag |
| 14:11.51 | lastnode | :-) |
| 14:12.43 | liable | toolz: ooh, i didnt think they built this atm, this *may* work for you .. http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 14:13.12 | toolz | so I should dd to the stick? |
| 14:13.19 | liable | no to a cd |
| 14:13.33 | toolz | on a cd? |
| 14:13.36 | liable | yes |
| 14:13.51 | toolz | well you said I need usb cds wont work? |
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| 14:14.41 | liable | toolz: the mini.iso is actually a monolithic image which is what we use for the eeepc installer. it has everything in the initrd, so I am hoping it has your module in the initrd |
| 14:15.28 | liable | i guess i could look, but i am feeling sleepy and lazy :) |
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| 14:17.02 | toolz | can you please look.. I only have one blank cd to burn |
| 14:17.20 | toolz | and I dont want to waste it on this one if it wont work.. because I might use it for another one? :D |
| 14:17.34 | liable | meh, righto, gimme 5 |
| 14:17.42 | elik | lol |
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| 14:17.52 | phrozen77 | is it safe to install "checkinstall" from lenny into etch? dpkg --dry-run -i doesnt complain about incompatabilities or the likes |
| 14:18.06 | Shadow_Master | is there anyway to turn off CPU cores "on the fly", or my only option is to reboot and pass nosmp to the kernel? |
| 14:18.11 | toolz | the shop is far far away |
| 14:18.15 | Rayne | any idea when lenny could be stable? summer 09? |
| 14:18.19 | dutchfish | R`, you might want to delve into debian's package cgiirc or its source, for what you want |
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| 14:19.43 | phrozen77 | ok, after omitting --dry-run it complains about libc6 not being uptodate... |
| 14:21.17 | liable | toolz: nope, doesnt have it |
| 14:21.36 | liable | toolz: the eeepc installer is the best bet |
| 14:21.46 | simonrvn | Rayne: WIR |
| 14:21.59 | toolz | eeepc will try that out now again |
| 14:22.52 | liable | toolz: i am off to bed soon, i'll lastlog you in the morning, get the actual error if it fails again (vt4) |
| 14:23.19 | Rayne | simonrvn, WIR? |
| 14:23.27 | Rayne | or wip? |
| 14:23.30 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 14:23.30 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 14:23.37 | Rayne | oh, i see ;-) |
| 14:23.42 | Rayne | !RSN |
| 14:23.42 | dpkg | methinks rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
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| 14:23.45 | Rayne | !SIYH |
| 14:23.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html for ideas to help lenny release soon |
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| 14:24.01 | ericP | in the deb name linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-12_i386.deb , is the latter part ("2.6.26-12") a package number (which looks suspiciously like the kernel version)? |
| 14:24.04 | Rayne | siyh rocks |
| 14:24.05 | toolz | liable |
| 14:24.06 | toolz | ok |
| 14:24.24 | toolz | have a good night then :) |
| 14:25.18 | ericP | wonders if siyh practically applies to getting a deb for 2.6.28 |
| 14:25.48 | ericP | i could do it for myself, but it's probably not worth the effort if it doesn't help others |
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| 14:27.54 | nsadmin | ericP: the file name of a deb is packagename_version-numberofuploads.numberofnmus_arch.deb |
| 14:28.30 | nsadmin | .numberofnmus is optional, _arch is optional |
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| 14:29.27 | simonrvn | arch isn't really optional ;). and it's numberofrevs rather than uploads |
| 14:29.36 | tibbetts | Do the debian build servers record how long it takes them to build each package anywhere? I'm looking for comparative statistics on how long different pieces of free software take to compile, and this seems like a good way to get a broad and consistent sample. |
| 14:29.45 | simonrvn | you could have 3 revs, and only one uploaded |
| 14:30.18 | simonrvn | check their logs maybe, or qa |
| 14:30.21 | nsadmin | oh ok... you haven't seen package file names that are missing the _arch? |
| 14:30.53 | nsadmin | tibbetts: one way, set up your own buildd |
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| 14:31.02 | ericP | nsadmin, ahh, package name:linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 version:2.6.26 upload:12 arch:i386 some girl's name:deb |
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| 14:31.48 | simonrvn | never |
| 14:31.56 | simonrvn | either some arch or all |
| 14:31.57 | nsadmin | yeah, something like that :) |
| 14:32.21 | tibbetts | Ah, buildd.debian.org will let me fetch log files, which will tell me "Build needed 00:01:03, 14024k disk space". Though I was hoping for something to split out CPU time from wall clock time. But beggars can't be choosers. |
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| 14:33.05 | simonrvn | even locally built ones... it'd be too hard to tell them apart, #1, and #2 how can you tell them apart f you have all the same debs in one dir, but all of them different arches? |
| 14:33.35 | simonrvn | points nsadmin at a pool/ dir on a mirror |
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| 14:38.07 | simonrvn | nsadmin: take a browse at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linphone/ and http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lintian/ for kicks, you'll see clearly |
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| 14:38.28 | simonrvn | ericP: ^^^ you too |
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| 14:38.37 | nsadmin | ok thanks, I will momentarily |
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| 14:48.43 | norc | Hello. A few days ago I installed Debian again on a 2nd hdd, and now I removed the old one. But now update-grub always specifies (hd1,x)/(hd1) instead of (hd0,x)/(hd0). Any reason why or any way to fix this? |
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| 14:49.10 | norc | (It was hd1 when I installed it, but now its hd0, there is no hd1 left) |
| 14:51.09 | epsilon | norc: take a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:51.43 | DanDare | epsilon, doing 'dpkg-reconfigure grub' could help also ? |
| 14:52.02 | epsilon | whatever |
| 14:52.10 | DanDare | norc, but editing menu.lst and changing the drive reference is easy too |
| 14:52.11 | DanDare | ok |
| 14:52.24 | norc | DanDare: thats besides the point - I know how to fix it manually. |
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| 14:52.40 | epsilon | you just need to fix the device number |
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| 14:52.43 | norc | and dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help |
| 14:52.52 | norc | epsilon: I realize that. But how do I accomplish tha? |
| 14:52.55 | norc | s/tha/that/ |
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| 14:53.06 | epsilon | edit? |
| 14:53.15 | DanDare | norc, edit the file change the drive refernce and then run grub from command line |
| 14:53.41 | epsilon | dunno, I didn't tried that often, but I'd say edit the file and run grub update, then reboot & pray |
| 14:53.53 | nsadmin | does grub know anything about uuids? |
| 14:54.38 | DanDare | its no need to pray |
| 14:54.58 | epsilon | if the box is remote, yes |
| 14:55.00 | norc | Mhm, just found the device.map, I can use that. But still - Id like to know how to change the actual mapping. |
| 14:55.00 | epsilon | :) |
| 14:55.11 | norc | I mean, there must be some way to fix it back. |
| 14:55.15 | Spida | I am trying to build nvidia-kernel with module-assistant from nvidia-kernel-source, but m-a stops and says it couldn't build because nvidia-glx needs nvidia-kernel. what am I doing wrong there? |
| 14:55.29 | DanDare | epsilon, so sure |
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| 14:56.00 | DanDare | Spide, must install kernel headers Did that ? |
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| 14:56.33 | epsilon | norc: just edit the file and try - everything you could break is the bootloader, and it can easily fixed by any live-CD |
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| 14:57.07 | DanDare | Spide, and linux-image too if i can remember good |
| 14:57.37 | norc | epsilon: I can do that manually in grub at boot time anyway. But editing the menu.lst isn't gonna make a permanent change. |
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| 14:58.04 | Spida | DanDare: yeah, I have both |
| 14:58.05 | DanDare | norc, to make a permanent change just invoke 'grub' after editing that |
| 14:58.31 | DanDare | Spide, i think you need essentials like 'apt-get install build-essentials" |
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| 14:59.18 | norc | DanDare: I think you misunderstand me. update-grub will change it back if I execute it again |
| 14:59.27 | Spida | DanDare: I have that, too. other modules build correctly using m-a (and older versions of nvidia build correctly, too) |
| 14:59.46 | norc | As I said, I know how to fix it manually - I just would like to know how to make sure it works automatically for the next time. |
| 14:59.49 | marcin | Hi, I have installed squid3 from Debian packages and I have a problem. Even if I pass whole http traffic via squid and acl is set to all, I cannot view this page in browser: http://formularze.eup.zus.pl/eup/php/index.php?_mod=mapmod&_op=showmap&refoid=1.2.616.113527.6.1.4.2.1 |
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| 15:00.59 | DanDare | Spide, it says nvidia kernel is needed, then it says that is not found, after this its search on internet for the specific kernel, after that it prompts if you like the program to compile for you.... worked this way last time i installed one |
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| 15:03.25 | cahoot | m-a prepare should take care of deps - no? |
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| 15:03.59 | DanDare | norc, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26407&sid=822016357e0b70fed3fd915e034b73a6 |
| 15:05.40 | Spida | cahoot: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-180.22 but it is not installable |
| 15:05.55 | Spida | (this is experimental nvidia, yes) |
| 15:06.17 | Spida | I am just trying to understand what is happening there. |
| 15:06.25 | cahoot | on your own then I guess |
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| 15:08.41 | DanDare | Spide, its weird... nvidia installer always did everything for me |
| 15:09.19 | DanDare | !dpkg nvidia |
| 15:09.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 15:10.01 | valdyn | Spida: the nvidia-kernel-180.22 is created "m-a a-i nvidia" |
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| 15:11.13 | Spida | valdyn: m-a a-i nvidia stops, because nvidia-glx is not correctly installed because of the missing dependency nvidia-kernel-180.22 |
| 15:11.33 | valdyn | Spida: then remove nvidia-glx first |
| 15:11.41 | valdyn | Spida: m-a does not need that package |
| 15:12.20 | Spida | seems to work, thx |
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| 15:15.07 | simonrvn | \/o for DDs who include new stuff in exp. |
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| 15:17.03 | simonrvn | kibi uploaded blender 2.48a |
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| 15:17.38 | mirak | hi |
| 15:18.05 | mirak | is there a way to access grub menu remotely on the network ? |
| 15:18.24 | azeem | mirak: please don't cross-pots |
| 15:18.26 | azeem | post* |
| 15:18.34 | valdyn | mirak: yes, via special hardware |
| 15:19.47 | mirak | azeem: hum, so you wouldnt allow me to ask the same question on different internet forums as well ? |
| 15:20.12 | azeem | mirak: we don't care about internet forums |
| 15:20.39 | mirak | valdyn: in fact I cant choose a multiboot without a monitor |
| 15:20.45 | azeem | a lot of regulars are active on both networks, and it's a duplication of effort having to answer your question twice |
| 15:20.53 | mirak | azeem: I dont care about you |
| 15:21.04 | themill | mirak: it's pretty rude to do so -- how many people do you want to run around to solve your problem for you? And the people in one place don't know that you've already solved your problem elsewhere and so keep trying to help. Remember that people will actuall go and look for resources to help you. |
| 15:21.13 | azeem | mirak: you don't need to; just follow our guidelines |
| 15:21.21 | valdyn | mirak: its not about him, its irc etiquette |
| 15:21.25 | chris081 | dpkg !export |
| 15:21.25 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, chris081 |
| 15:21.40 | chris081 | -> !export |
| 15:21.51 | azeem | chris081: eh, export what? |
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| 15:22.12 | chris081 | hi. the .bashrc remains a file that every user have one |
| 15:22.14 | johndoe | how does one use screen? |
| 15:22.17 | johndoe | for remote sessions |
| 15:22.28 | valdyn | mirak: thats right anyway, its not possible without special hardware |
| 15:22.34 | chris081 | the /etc/profil is a file that every user share |
| 15:22.38 | valdyn | johndoe: same as locally |
| 15:22.50 | johndoe | how is that? |
| 15:22.52 | johndoe | screen |
| 15:22.55 | johndoe | then screen -x? |
| 15:23.00 | valdyn | johndoe: just run it |
| 15:23.05 | chris081 | and i want to know if there is a way to export in a single file, for one group of persons, but not in the /etc/profil |
| 15:23.19 | chris081 | or |
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| 15:23.30 | johndoe | how do i connect to it then? |
| 15:23.54 | valdyn | johndoe: log into the remote computer first... |
| 15:23.56 | mirak | themill: I dont ask people to solve the problem for me. |
| 15:24.00 | johndoe | valdyn: and then |
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| 15:24.13 | chris081 | can i add an if condition statement in the /etc/profil. woulds like to if (groupid==500) {export=$PATH:/usr/local/.../bin} |
| 15:24.14 | valdyn | johndoe: run screen -x or whatever or read the docs |
| 15:24.20 | themill | mirak: you believe that if it makes you happy |
| 15:24.22 | mirak | valdyn: mmm I read some stuffs about serial console though |
| 15:24.35 | johndoe | valdyn: thank you |
| 15:24.47 | valdyn | mirak: the serial console is one linux kernel feature, its not available before the kernel runs |
| 15:24.56 | simonrvn | !maint reprepro |
| 15:25.10 | mirak | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 15:25.14 | boodie | Hi: I installed icedove, that whenever I click a link in aìn email, launches konqueror. Konqueror freezes every time an I have to kill it. Is there a way to configure icedove to launch firefox instead? |
| 15:25.15 | valdyn | mirak: unless you talk about non-pc hardware, that might have a serial console built in |
| 15:25.36 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 15:25.52 | chris081 | !dpkg export |
| 15:25.55 | mirak | valdyn: no its a standart pc with a celeron |
| 15:26.05 | azeem | chris081: there's no "export" factoid |
| 15:26.08 | simonrvn | chris081: stop that |
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| 15:26.39 | mirak | I have a problem with it though. It crashes when I try to chainload grubs |
| 15:27.08 | toolz | I have 2 nics configured one for internet one for lan, gateway is enabled |
| 15:27.19 | toolz | but internet is not working on the computer on lan |
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| 15:27.31 | toolz | and it cannot ping the internet ip from the server, from the other nic |
| 15:27.40 | toolz | wrong channel, wtf |
| 15:29.01 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: dpkg has a bad download of the package file or something, keeps telling me something doesn't exist when i know it does. |
| 15:29.06 | simonrvn | files* |
| 15:29.22 | norc | Does anyone know how to change the device mapping permanently? A change from '(hd1) /dev/sda' to '(hd0) /dev/sda' doesn't change the modifications by update-grub |
| 15:29.28 | norc | (Within grub) |
| 15:29.44 | simonrvn | edit the device.map? |
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| 15:30.55 | smacnay | rdiff-backup doesn't save to compressed format, does it... |
| 15:31.25 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: never mind, thanks |
| 15:32.34 | norc | simonrvn: I was referring to a change in that file |
| 15:33.17 | norc | A subsequent update-grub still used hd1 as reference. |
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| 15:34.30 | epsilon | norc: how about a hotfix, just plug an another ATA device and make the drive hd1 again... |
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| 15:35.00 | Trikster | This is also support for debian servers, right? |
| 15:35.46 | epsilon | debian has only one stable version fo all (client, server) |
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| 15:36.04 | jelly-home | norc: edit the "# groot=..." line in menu.lst |
| 15:36.25 | jelly-home | norc: run update-grub again afterwards |
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| 15:36.33 | Trikster | Can anyone help me get my www dir to work? |
| 15:36.47 | stew | Trikster: in what way is it not working? |
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| 15:37.12 | Trikster | stew, I upload files to it, but they come up as a 404 error. |
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| 15:38.01 | stew | Trikster: you are running a webserver? which? apache2? |
| 15:38.16 | Trikster | Lighttpd |
| 15:38.34 | Trikster | I already checked the document dir, it is correct: /var/www |
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| 15:43.30 | stoned | Good morning |
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| 15:50.50 | R` | dutchfish <-- this guy is a fuking bitch |
| 15:51.04 | dutchfish | please k-line |
| 15:51.15 | stoned | really? |
| 15:51.20 | stoned | I thought dutchfish was a guy |
| 15:51.25 | stoned | dutchfish, sup buddy |
| 15:52.01 | stoned | dutchfish, smokempots, ignoremlots :) |
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| 15:52.37 | stoned | is it possible to see what stuff is being cached in memory? |
| 15:52.48 | dutchfish | stoned, this is not funny if some retard is herassing me |
| 15:53.37 | stoned | dutchfish, more than once, it stops being funny. use /ignore, and for public libel/slander whichever it would be online, maybe consult with #freenode |
| 15:54.04 | stoned | but I doubt they will tell you anything except to use /ignore too |
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| 15:54.11 | R` | there is no freedom for traitors |
| 15:54.43 | stoned | I just meant like be cool you know, don't even reply to him, ignore him |
| 15:54.59 | stoned | if you don't pay him any mind, i wonder how long he will continue to bug you |
| 15:56.17 | boodie | Hi; how do I set firefox firefox as the default btrowser? |
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| 15:57.32 | asg | boodie: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 15:58.13 | nsadmin | R`: I have the opposite viewpoint: there are no traitors for freedom! |
| 15:58.43 | asg | #debian-offtopic exists for a reason |
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| 16:00.07 | suvinay | #videolan |
| 16:00.15 | suvinay | sorry |
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| 16:01.07 | glax | hi guys, does debian etch support hot-swap? |
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| 16:02.06 | asg | what do you wish to swap? |
| 16:02.17 | glax | hd and power supply |
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| 16:02.50 | nsadmin | it will be hard to swap power supplies |
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| 16:03.11 | oskude | how-swap for power supply, hows that gonna work ? (SCNR) |
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| 16:03.16 | oskude | *hot-swap |
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| 16:03.59 | asg | many servers come with 2/3 power supplies for redundancy. If that's the case, one should be able to swap a new one in without dropping the machine. |
| 16:04.08 | glax | redundant power supply |
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| 16:04.20 | oskude | ah, but of course, sorry |
| 16:04.24 | glax | asg, exactly |
| 16:04.26 | nsadmin | unless you have the power supply in some kind of socket, there are at least two of these sockets, and the two supplies can coexist while on |
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| 16:04.55 | asg | glax: in that case, the OS shouldn't care since it's a function of the hardware. Same with the drives if a hardware raid card is providing the virtual device to the OS. |
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| 16:05.54 | boodie | asg: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ... do I have to be root? |
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| 16:06.01 | glax | asg, thanks I though that was debian job doing this |
| 16:06.05 | asg | boodie: yes |
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| 16:06.56 | asg | glax: if the server is designed correctly, the OS probably won't know or care. However, if you are using software raid for your drives, that may be a problem. |
| 16:07.30 | glax | asg, is a IBM x3500 server, will be using the raid internal controller |
| 16:08.29 | asg | glax: then you should be able to swap the hardware without any problems. Again, it's always safer to power the thing off but it should be doable ... we routinely swap drives on our Dells |
| 16:08.55 | glax | ok thanks |
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| 16:09.53 | boodie | asg: I did it ... firefox dosn't start |
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| 16:10.23 | asg | boodie: are you using Gnome or KDE? |
| 16:10.31 | osFrenchDude | hello, does anyone know this repo, please ? http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
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| 16:10.53 | boodie | windowmaker at the moment |
| 16:10.59 | asg | osFrenchDude: that's Christian Marillat's repo |
| 16:11.04 | shiloh7_ | dpkg, thank you very much for the assistance yesterday, installed perfect and enjoying my new OS |
| 16:11.04 | dpkg | shiloh7_: sure thing |
| 16:11.38 | osFrenchDude | asg: so, you think it |
| 16:11.43 | asg | boodie: see if windowmaker has some internal tweakable or ask here if anyone knows. I don't know if WM honors the alternatives system. |
| 16:11.45 | osFrenchDude | it's reliable |
| 16:12.06 | boodie | I mean firefox starts, if I start it independently from icedove, with the home page google, but not when I click the link in icedove |
| 16:12.06 | asg | osFrenchDude: yes, he's a developer and has provided that site for years |
| 16:12.17 | asg | !multimedia |
| 16:12.17 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
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| 16:12.38 | boodie | windowmaker runs both FF & Konq, no problem |
| 16:13.06 | osFrenchDude | !dmm lenny |
| 16:13.06 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 16:13.31 | asg | boodie: maybe icedove has a config item for defining the default browser. I don't know since I don't use it; someone else here might though. |
| 16:13.44 | osFrenchDude | asg: thank you |
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| 16:13.51 | asg | osFrenchDude: you're welcome |
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| 16:21.33 | jones1 | Heya |
| 16:21.39 | jones1 | I am using Debian 4.0 R5 |
| 16:22.03 | chris081 | sorry, we only provide help for Debian 4.0 r6, kidding |
| 16:22.11 | jones1 | and unable to get flash 10 working with opera 9.6, I have copied the plugin to /usr/lib/opera |
| 16:22.14 | jones1 | Hehe |
| 16:22.30 | jones1 | I have updated all my packages thought :) So its almost like R6 |
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| 16:22.40 | jones1 | though* |
| 16:22.58 | jones1 | Flash doesn`t work in iceweasel either |
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| 16:23.14 | jones1 | Do I need to try with an older version of the flash plugin |
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| 16:24.26 | jones1 | Hmmmm... |
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| 16:25.51 | craigevil | last i knew flash 10 wont work on etch because of depends issues, but i might be wrong |
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| 16:27.59 | jones1 | so will 9 work ? |
| 16:28.05 | shiloh7_ | can i have multiple enviornments, selectable at boot with debian? |
| 16:28.20 | azeem | shiloh7_: what kind of environments? |
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| 16:28.30 | azeem | are you talking about gnome, kde? |
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| 16:28.35 | newsense | theres alternatives jones1 |
| 16:28.50 | shiloh7_ | azeem, desktop enviornments, ie gnome, kde, xfce, etc |
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| 16:29.04 | azeem | shiloh7_: run a display manager like gdm or kdm |
| 16:29.15 | azeem | those let you choose an environment when loggin in |
| 16:29.52 | shiloh7_ | azeem, awesome, ive been using gnome for two years, i figure its about time to become familiar with the others as well |
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| 16:33.30 | jones1 | hey guys |
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| 16:59.12 | ramlev | hello, have a question, i have a server running debian echt, and it's fully up2date, but why is it "only" php 5.2.0-8, and not php5.2.8 installed ? |
| 16:59.30 | ramlev | do i have to install the php from source to get the newest version ? |
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| 17:03.59 | stoned | why do you need the newest version |
| 17:04.10 | craigevil | ramlev: you can use http://www.dotdeb.org/ , but you wont get any support here using it since it is a third party repo |
| 17:05.21 | stoned | craigevil, don't suggest that, as it is not merely a matter of us supporting him or not, he could potentially toast his system and that is bad. support aside, don't recommend 3rd party lowquality stuff (just a thought) |
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| 17:05.35 | GhostlyDeath | How do I reconfigure a package? |
| 17:05.41 | GhostlyDeath | using the command line |
| 17:05.46 | stoned | GhostlyDeath, dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
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| 17:06.25 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
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| 17:08.09 | stoned | PHP 5.2.6-5 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 (cli) (built: Oct 5 2008 13:07:13) <-- I'm on lenny server |
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| 17:08.49 | dutchfish | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ |
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| 17:09.14 | stoned | judd versions php5-common |
| 17:09.15 | judd | stoned: php5-common -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0-8+etch13 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1+b1 |
| 17:10.12 | stoned | hey cool you're in luck ramlev you can use backports.org which is always higher quality than any other 3rd party repos becuase backports are done by a lot of debian people |
| 17:10.43 | pif | why does "xterm -rv" have a grey background ? |
| 17:10.59 | stoned | pif, just do -bg black then? |
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| 17:11.16 | stoned | or whatever you want |
| 17:11.19 | pif | that's the default |
| 17:11.36 | pif | when I 'reverse' black I don't expect gray |
| 17:11.38 | stoned | though I dunno what -rv does I don't use xterm much |
| 17:11.47 | pif | 'reverse video' |
| 17:11.47 | stoned | let me see |
| 17:11.58 | stoned | oh you should get white instead |
| 17:12.07 | pif | you do ? |
| 17:12.21 | stoned | I'm not on linux right now :) |
| 17:12.34 | stoned | well actually I am, but I don't have an Xserer running on my machine |
| 17:12.34 | pif | shame on u :) |
| 17:13.02 | stoned | well I'm at a clients right now, they have windows, i can putty backto myself via ssh -X, but I don't have xming running on his machine |
| 17:13.14 | stoned | I dunno if i should install xming on his machine |
| 17:13.15 | stoned | heh |
| 17:13.24 | pif | good man , working sundays |
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| 17:13.47 | stoned | what am I gonna do sit home and waste time |
| 17:13.48 | stoned | heh |
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| 17:14.03 | pif | if you're payed hourly, sure |
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| 17:14.13 | stoned | yup, and get paid for travel time |
| 17:14.16 | stoned | let me install xming |
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| 17:14.51 | ramlev | craigevil: thanks, (on the dotdeb issue) |
| 17:15.12 | stoned | ramlev, I'd use backports instead |
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| 17:17.10 | pif | is happy, just found out how to run legacy 32bit binary on his amd64 server |
| 17:17.21 | pif | simply install i32-libs |
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| 17:20.08 | stoned | ok done |
| 17:20.11 | stoned | lets try it |
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| 17:20.35 | stoned | you want me to take screenshot, it looks fine in here |
| 17:20.40 | stoned | I get whtie text and black bg |
| 17:20.52 | stoned | I started with xterm -rv |
| 17:21.25 | stoned | whiel the normal xterm gives whtie bg and black text |
| 17:22.02 | pif | shit, plain 'xterm' gives me black bg and white text here |
| 17:22.10 | pif | this is sid |
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| 17:23.53 | stoned | xterm always defaults to white text black bg afaicr in debian |
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| 17:24.05 | stoned | you cancheck yoru .Xresoruces or .Xdefautls |
| 17:24.25 | pif | so why do you get the opposite? |
| 17:24.39 | stoned | well I'm on windows right now |
| 17:25.00 | stoned | i dunno if that has anything to do with it, but I can fully remember that if you use xterm and launch it, it will alway give me white bg |
| 17:25.10 | pif | what kinda work are you supposed to do? |
| 17:25.15 | stoned | Ihave to do -bg black -fg white to start xterm or use something in there |
| 17:25.26 | stoned | what do you mean? |
| 17:25.32 | stoned | what kinda work, what? |
| 17:25.43 | pif | at your client |
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| 17:25.49 | Akuw | i have problems with flash plugin, i installed but it request for install again |
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| 17:26.02 | stoned | eyeglassliquidators.com building an ecommerce store |
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| 17:26.19 | stoned | doing product upload, endicia integration, bar code system etc. etc. |
| 17:26.37 | stoned | normal shit |
| 17:26.46 | stoned | Akuw, how did you install it |
| 17:26.50 | Akuw | yeah |
| 17:27.25 | pif | Akuw: flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 17:27.30 | stoned | Akuw, ? |
| 17:27.33 | Akuw | no |
| 17:27.36 | pif | get it |
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| 17:27.54 | stoned | how did you install the plugin? throughthe browser? it will not work that way, do what pif said |
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| 17:28.01 | Akuw | but i will need what repo? |
| 17:28.10 | stoned | non-free |
| 17:28.16 | stoned | !tell Akuw -about non-free |
| 17:28.17 | pif | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main |
| 17:28.19 | stoned | !tell Akuw -about dmm |
| 17:28.30 | stoned | or you can use debian multimedia and use flashplayer-mozilla plugin |
| 17:28.45 | stoned | or from debian non-free you can use flashplayer-nonfree package |
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| 17:30.33 | stoned | pif, do you have/have you ever had a .Xresources file? |
| 17:30.49 | stoned | pif, maybe you have some config in there that messes up your xterm for ya |
| 17:30.49 | pif | I do |
| 17:31.12 | stoned | I don't have one, and don't use one, and on this box xterm is debian default to white bg and black fg |
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| 17:31.44 | Akuw | i just add non free dependencies, but synaptic can't find flashplayer-nonfree |
| 17:32.02 | pif | even if I delete my .Xresources I still get black bg |
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| 17:32.27 | stoned | Akuw, don't use synaptic |
| 17:32.32 | pif | no biggie, just curious |
| 17:32.47 | dmoerner | Akuw: it's in contrib and only in sid and backports |
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| 17:33.23 | stoned | Akuw, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the debian-multimedia repo, and install the package |
| 17:33.42 | stoned | !dmm etch |
| 17:33.42 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 17:34.01 | pif | strange, when doing 'ac show flashplugin-nonfree' I don't get the repo I got it from |
| 17:34.22 | pif | is there a command to trace an installed package to its repository? |
| 17:34.32 | stoned | apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 17:34.44 | stoned | grep for 500 to just the line |
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| 17:34.56 | newsense | apt-cache policy package |
| 17:34.56 | newsense | pif that was for you sorry |
| 17:35.03 | pif | got it thx |
| 17:35.08 | newsense | i beat ya stoned :P |
| 17:35.24 | stoned | 12:33 < stoned> apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 17:35.24 | stoned | 12:34 < stoned> grep for 500 to just the line |
| 17:35.24 | stoned | 12:34 < newsense> apt-cache policy package |
| 17:35.27 | stoned | you lag sir. |
| 17:35.48 | stoned | !ping |
| 17:35.49 | dpkg | pong |
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| 17:35.55 | newsense | i probobly do im on wireless connection going across the street |
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| 17:36.23 | TnT-GnU | #hacker |
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| 17:36.53 | dutchfish | TnT-GnU, he might as well using a ligit AP ;) |
| 17:36.59 | pivot_ | i'd need some messenger similar to kopete. it should support msn and icq, have a nice gui and support file-transfers for msn faster than kopete does - besides pidgin, could one tell me about possible alternatives? |
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| 17:37.09 | stoned | pidgin! |
| 17:37.11 | libertad0 | Buenas tardes |
| 17:37.27 | stoned | buenas 'tarded? |
| 17:37.29 | stoned | ;) |
| 17:37.51 | pif | what good movie should I dowload for tonight? |
| 17:37.54 | stoned | good afternoon |
| 17:37.54 | newsense | im on a legit ap but if i wanted to theres a lot of wep encrypted networks :) |
| 17:37.57 | stoned | pif, #debian-chat |
| 17:38.00 | libertad0 | stoned: en Venezuela es de tarde |
| 17:38.04 | pif | is browsing mininova |
| 17:38.08 | ilaiho | http://wiki.debian.org/Manual-Howto#head-6fdd87d329e68a583e5fde32c6b21e460e5541a5 |
| 17:38.10 | stoned | !es |
| 17:38.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:38.26 | libertad0 | stoned: I speak english, spanish and french :P |
| 17:38.35 | ilaiho | is wpa-driver wext ok if I use ath5k? |
| 17:38.36 | stoned | damn, you need to go to 3 channels then |
| 17:38.36 | stoned | ;) |
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| 17:40.19 | stoned | 12:33 < stoned> apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 17:40.19 | stoned | 12:34 < stoned> grep for 500 to just the line |
| 17:40.19 | stoned | 12:34 < newsense> apt-cache policy package |
| 17:40.22 | stoned | oopps |
| 17:40.29 | stoned | sorry wrong click sorry sorry |
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| 17:40.50 | pif | stoned: you billing right now? ;) |
| 17:40.57 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 17:41.07 | newsense | im gonna go do like your nick suggests |
| 17:41.31 | stoned | yeh if you do right click in putty it pastes the buffer |
| 17:41.33 | stoned | its stupid |
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| 17:41.42 | newsense | anyone got a repo for truecrypt ? |
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| 17:42.32 | dutchfish | newsense, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/506 |
| 17:43.01 | stoned | brb |
| 17:43.16 | newsense | dutchfish, cool thank you very much |
| 17:43.24 | dutchfish | newsense, yw |
| 17:43.30 | newsense | tips my hat to dutchfish |
| 17:44.18 | Akuw | ok, i made echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update |
| 17:44.26 | Akuw | but still no works |
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| 17:49.08 | Akuw | ok |
| 17:49.18 | Akuw | any idea? |
| 17:49.29 | ilaiho | Akuw: what you are trying to use it for? |
| 17:49.29 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 17:49.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:50.16 | Akuw | there are some webpages using flash |
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| 17:50.22 | Akuw | so i need to see that pages |
| 17:50.39 | pivot_ | i would like skin-support for that messenger too - kopete does not want to offer it, afaik pidgin also just allows changing the color-theme |
| 17:50.51 | craigevil | aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:51.26 | ilaiho | Akuw: does the repository add? |
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| 17:51.37 | Akuw | yeah |
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| 17:51.54 | ilaiho | try craigevil's command |
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| 17:52.18 | Akuw | ok, now is working with flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:52.27 | ilaiho | Akuw: I would recommend Gnash over Flash beacuse of Flash's securitu problems |
| 17:52.41 | Akuw | Gnash? |
| 17:52.51 | ilaiho | Akuw: free Flash clone |
| 17:53.05 | craigevil | too bad gnash doesnt work on a lot of sites |
| 17:53.31 | ilaiho | craigevil: yes |
| 17:53.41 | ilaiho | but much works |
| 17:53.45 | ilaiho | including youtube |
| 17:55.07 | Akuw | gnash is in what repo? |
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| 17:55.19 | stoned | i told you to use dmms flashplayer-mozilla half hour ago |
| 17:55.27 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:55.43 | stoned | Akuw, gnash isn't fully good |
| 17:55.44 | kalkin- | hi guys |
| 17:56.31 | kalkin- | ghc on powerpc is not built for interactive use. but it should because the ghci binary is provided |
| 17:56.48 | kalkin- | where should i submit this, or who can fix the package/ |
| 17:56.50 | kalkin- | ? |
| 17:57.55 | ilaiho | Akuw: if you want to try Gnash, it should be on main repo |
| 17:58.21 | pif | you will gnash your teeth |
| 17:58.45 | Akuw | ok |
| 17:58.52 | ilaiho | Akuw: and the plugin is mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 17:59.07 | kalkin- | k, i will just mail the maintainer, don't bother your self answering, |
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| 17:59.27 | Python1320 | Jan 11 19:36:39 arsenic kernel: [ 779.000044] eth5: Tx timed out, cable problem? TSR=0x0, ISR=0x0, t=1000. |
| 17:59.30 | Python1320 | --snip-- |
| 17:59.30 | Python1320 | Jan 11 19:54:18 arsenic kernel: [ 1838.000432] eth5: Tx timed out, cable problem? TSR=0x0, ISR=0x0, t=1000. |
| 17:59.42 | Python1320 | Why does it spam that message allover the kernel log? |
| 17:59.58 | Python1320 | And no, not a cable problem because there's no cable connected |
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| 18:01.09 | amf | How can I search for packages from some other repo (etch-backports in this case). I don't remember what I installed from there |
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| 18:01.41 | ilaiho | Python1320: maybe just therefore |
| 18:02.11 | Python1320 | ilaiho, yeah probably, now if I could stop it making that error message without removing the card |
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| 18:03.37 | arnuld | I am chatting in X (root in X) |
| 18:03.40 | arnuld | :( |
| 18:03.45 | ilaiho | Python1320: what device is eth5? |
| 18:03.51 | arnuld | I had Debian Etc earlier, just installed Arch |
| 18:03.55 | arnuld | Linux |
| 18:04.08 | arnuld | Arch Linux and got this weired hangs |
| 18:04.19 | arnuld | How stable is Debian Lenny ? |
| 18:04.26 | arnuld | Debian Testing is wortht he try ? |
| 18:04.29 | Python1320 | ilaiho, ethernet card, I've got 5 cards so I really don't know which one from the lspci |
| 18:04.53 | arnuld | I have used Etch and it is pretty much stable and was very happy with it |
| 18:04.56 | ilaiho | arnuld: I suppose it is more stable than Arch |
| 18:05.03 | ilaiho | Arch is bleeding edge |
| 18:05.09 | ilaiho | Python1320: strange |
| 18:05.35 | ilaiho | Python1320: or maybe your ethernet card is failing |
| 18:05.42 | arnuld | I am getting weitred screen at startx in Arch (may the VIA driver) |
| 18:05.51 | arnuld | but on Etch it works great |
| 18:06.00 | Python1320 | ilaiho, if I plug a cable in it the connection does work :) |
| 18:06.10 | Python1320 | But I would like to read the kernel log |
| 18:06.30 | arnuld | I removed my old 17" CRT, pulled in Samsung 22" TFT-LCD |
| 18:06.31 | ilaiho | Python1320: there may be still some minor problem |
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| 18:06.36 | arnuld | just did dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:06.41 | arnuld | and woosh it runs :) |
| 18:07.01 | arnuld | I jst want to know if Lenny is as good as Etch |
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| 18:07.26 | ilaiho | arnuld: maybe not as good |
| 18:07.44 | ilaiho | e. g. ktechlab is currently broken |
| 18:08.00 | ilaiho | but Lenny is fairly usable |
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| 18:08.32 | arnuld | anyone discused about VIA driver problem here about Lenny (just to make sure) |
| 18:08.33 | arnuld | ? |
| 18:09.57 | ilaiho | arnuld: what exactly is "via driver" |
| 18:10.08 | arnuld | it goe sin xorg |
| 18:10.14 | arnuld | xorg driver |
| 18:10.24 | ilaiho | open source? |
| 18:10.32 | arnuld | I don't know |
| 18:10.39 | arnuld | it was in Debian Etch |
| 18:10.44 | arnuld | workign pretty fine |
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| 18:10.59 | arnuld | I did not add it |
| 18:11.05 | arnuld | it was just there in debian |
| 18:11.09 | arnuld | what say ? |
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| 18:12.33 | ilaiho | arnuld: you may want to check this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-via;dist=testing |
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| 18:12.57 | ilaiho | and why you have bought a motherboard with via chipset? |
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| 18:15.39 | arnuld | ilaiho, its 3 years old |
| 18:16.13 | arnuld | now 4 |
| 18:16.13 | Python1320 | whoops |
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| 18:16.30 | Python1320 | I tried to write ethtool -s eth5 autoneg off but I wrote ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off |
| 18:16.33 | Danielss89 | Hi.. i am trying to install a ssl certificate on my server. I get this error message: RSA server certificate CommonName does not match server name <-- where can i change my server name? |
| 18:16.37 | arnuld | the bug in debian testing of openchrome is same as of via in Arch |
| 18:16.52 | arnuld | here is what works perfectly in etch: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xserver-xorg-video-via |
| 18:17.21 | arnuld | can I get the source of it ? |
| 18:17.26 | arnuld | to build it in Arch |
| 18:18.04 | ilaiho | arnuld: you can't get both; stability and recent versions |
| 18:18.26 | dutchfish | arnuld, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-via/ |
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| 18:19.10 | arnuld | dutchfish, thats binary |
| 18:19.24 | arnuld | dutchfish, u know of source location ? |
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| 18:19.51 | dutchfish | arnuld, you mean: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-via/xserver-xorg-video-via_0.2.2.orig.tar.gz |
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| 18:20.12 | Mike1 | hey |
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| 18:20.31 | ilaiho | arnuld: |
| 18:20.35 | ilaiho | dpkg, u |
| 18:20.35 | Mike1 | why is there no OpenOffice.org 3 in Sid, but only in experimental? |
| 18:20.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:20.41 | arnuld | dutchfish, :) |
| 18:21.30 | craigevil | Mike1: because lenny is frozen, not much moves into sid, the Ooo from exp works just fine |
| 18:21.31 | arnuld | thinks he still has to learn a lot about searching |
| 18:21.49 | Mike1 | craigevil: okay, thanks! |
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| 18:22.16 | craigevil | openoffice.org-writer: |
| 18:22.18 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.16 | ilaiho | sometimes my NAS suddenly jams |
| 18:26.28 | ilaiho | no kernel panic, nothing |
| 18:26.31 | ilaiho | it just jams |
| 18:27.54 | ilaiho | maybe PSU is underpowered? |
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| 18:31.27 | arnuld | okay, ir doe snot work |
| 18:31.35 | arnuld | I will install Debian Etch anyway |
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| 18:32.10 | mikeifying | whenever i open an avi all i get is a blue screen how do i fix this ? |
| 18:32.15 | arnuld | ilaiho, you say never to buy VIA chipset motherboard ? |
| 18:32.56 | arnuld | linuxquestions.org people have recommened 780G chipset of AMD motherborsa |
| 18:33.06 | arnuld | Gigabyte mobos |
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| 18:34.21 | Mike1 | VIA only produces ITX-mainboards today |
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| 18:35.23 | Mike1 | 780G and 790GX are nice chipsets :) |
| 18:35.24 | arnuld | Eh.. have to google for ITX motherboards. what the ehck are they |
| 18:35.39 | Mike1 | those really small boards ;) |
| 18:35.51 | arnuld | 780G/Sb700 |
| 18:36.03 | arnuld | or even 680G/SB700 |
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| 18:36.09 | arnuld | ? |
| 18:37.32 | Mike1 | 680G? that's oooold |
| 18:37.38 | arnuld | Oh.. |
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| 18:40.21 | maligor | never buy SiS mb either |
| 18:40.28 | maligor | dreadful stuff |
| 18:41.32 | arnuld | this VIA chipset is actuially on ASUS mobo |
| 18:41.36 | arnuld | ASUS K8V-MX |
| 18:41.44 | arnuld | and only Debian Etch work fine on it |
| 18:41.50 | arnuld | Thanks to Debian People :) |
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| 18:42.05 | arnuld | Gentoo, Arch Ubuntu all freeze to death |
| 18:42.10 | arnuld | on this |
| 18:42.18 | arnuld | mobo |
| 18:42.31 | nsadmin | it's the kernel that supports hardware |
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| 18:43.09 | arnuld | well, command line works fine |
| 18:43.15 | arnuld | startx --> doomed |
| 18:43.21 | ilaiho | arnuld: VIA chipsets don't have very good quality |
| 18:43.25 | arnuld | I don't this Xorg driver has something to dow ith kernel |
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| 18:43.45 | arnuld | ilaiho, okay .. I go tit, I have learned a an expansive leson |
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| 18:43.59 | arnuld | I don't have much salary to buy an new mobo |
| 18:44.16 | arnuld | My salary has gone to 1/2 of what I use to earn |
| 18:44.18 | ilaiho | ~ $15 more, you will get a decent motherboard |
| 18:44.21 | arnuld | Recesssion |
| 18:44.25 | arnuld | :( |
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| 18:45.09 | stoned | arnuld, that sucks |
| 18:45.21 | arnuld | it hurts actually |
| 18:45.35 | arnuld | my holidays are ripped off too |
| 18:45.41 | arnuld | no off on sat-sun |
| 18:45.49 | arnuld | office timings are 9 Am to 9 PM |
| 18:45.58 | stoned | life sucks, then it gets better, and then it sucks again and then it gets better |
| 18:46.00 | stoned | get used to it |
| 18:46.07 | arnuld | can't get time top work on GNU |
| 18:46.07 | Tijuas | Tired of niigggers and their general monkeyshines? Then join the multiracial alliance against the golliwogs, darkies, jigaboos, etc! http://www.chimpout.com Chimpout welcomes Asians, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, and anybody else that isn't negroid. Chimpout.com The Alliance of Humans vs Niiiggggers |
| 18:46.26 | valdyn | !ops Tijuas |
| 18:46.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: Tijuas |
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| 18:46.51 | arnuld | valdyn, nice kick ;) |
| 18:47.12 | arnuld | good |
| 18:47.14 | wpd_\0 | can i bother you with my problem? |
| 18:47.15 | arnuld | azeem, |
| 18:47.23 | arnuld | sure |
| 18:47.25 | stoned | oh my god! |
| 18:47.26 | arnuld | peopl are great here |
| 18:47.27 | wpd_\0 | great |
| 18:47.28 | arnuld | :) |
| 18:47.33 | wpd_\0 | i got an etch debian |
| 18:47.37 | stoned | shakes his head |
| 18:47.42 | stoned | wpd_\0, ask |
| 18:47.46 | wpd_\0 | with a wd essetal drive |
| 18:47.57 | wpd_\0 | connected on usb |
| 18:48.03 | arnuld | 12 AM in the midnight, got to go |
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| 18:48.08 | wpd_\0 | i used it with an ext3 fs |
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| 18:48.13 | stoned | !tell wpd_\0 -about enter |
| 18:48.38 | wpd_\0 | but on several times the fs get currupt |
| 18:48.53 | wpd_\0 | but the wd tool say all is ok |
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| 18:49.05 | arnuld | says goodnight to ilaiho , Mike1 and dutchfish :) |
| 18:49.19 | valdyn | wpd_\0: the wd tool and fs corruption work on different levels |
| 18:49.27 | wpd_\0 | i know |
| 18:49.29 | valdyn | wpd_\0: get an error message. |
| 18:49.42 | wpd_\0 | but i thought the drive could be dammaged |
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| 18:49.52 | wpd_\0 | so the dive seems to be fine |
| 18:50.03 | valdyn | wpd_\0: you can test the driver with "badblocks" |
| 18:50.08 | wpd_\0 | this lead me to a problem with ext3 |
| 18:50.12 | valdyn | *drive* |
| 18:50.17 | valdyn | wpd_\0: unlikely |
| 18:50.50 | wpd_\0 | which command should i use? |
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| 18:51.10 | valdyn | wpd_\0: use for what? |
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| 18:51.20 | wpd_\0 | check for bad blocks |
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| 18:51.47 | valdyn | wpd_\0: "badblocks" |
| 18:51.52 | Danielss89 | Does session variables work between a https and http connection? |
| 18:52.05 | Jorophose | what's the recommended way to get microsoft fonts and multimedia stuff? does debian-multimedia have it all? |
| 18:52.06 | Danielss89 | or is that a php question? |
| 18:52.13 | Danielss89 | oh.. |
| 18:52.16 | Danielss89 | this is not apache :D |
| 18:52.17 | wpd_\0 | hehe .. good hint :D |
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| 18:52.23 | Danielss89 | my bad.. |
| 18:52.51 | wpd_\0 | @ Danielss89: do you use php? |
| 18:52.59 | Danielss89 | yes i do wpd_\0 :) |
| 18:53.06 | wpd_\0 | then it is a php question |
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| 18:53.42 | Danielss89 | ok.. but php is installed on apache which holds all the ssl stuff :P |
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| 18:54.41 | mikeifying | where can i get an avi codec? |
| 18:54.57 | wpd_\0 | but it is a php problem |
| 18:55.03 | Danielss89 | ok :) |
| 18:55.06 | wpd_\0 | because the session is managed with php |
| 18:55.13 | Danielss89 | true.. |
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| 18:57.30 | wpd_\0 | @ Danielss89: did you solve your problem? |
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| 18:58.38 | unixSnob | ran aptitude install sun-java6-jre, and iceweasel doesn't know about it. How can he make sure iceweasel becomes aware of jre? |
| 18:58.41 | toolz | I installed eeepc on the usb and I managed to install debian |
| 18:58.48 | toolz | how do I see if it is lenny or etchnhalf |
| 18:58.57 | toolz | uname -a shows: Linux mars 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:59.28 | unixSnob | toolz: the kernel for etch+0.5 is older than that |
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| 19:00.12 | wpd_\0 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:00.21 | toolz | 5.0 |
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| 19:01.26 | mikeifying | i just installed the avi player where would i go to access it ? |
| 19:01.41 | unixSnob | mikeifying: type totem |
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| 19:02.30 | unixSnob | mikeifying: if you have gnome, it should be in applications::sound and video |
| 19:02.34 | mikeifying | unixsnob: totem only gives me a blue screen with audio when i try to play avi's |
| 19:02.49 | mikeifying | unixsnob, ame with vlc |
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| 19:05.00 | toolz | unixSnob, is that kernel ok? |
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| 19:05.38 | unixSnob | toolz: not sure... i'm using the amd version of 2.6.26 |
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| 19:05.54 | unixSnob | toolz: (the amd version works well) |
| 19:06.03 | toolz | unixSnob, please tell me how to install it |
| 19:06.13 | toolz | I have 8GB of ram and I need amd aswell |
| 19:06.19 | toolz | :p |
| 19:06.37 | unixSnob | aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 19:07.27 | toolz | these 2? linux-image-2.6-amd64 linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64{a} |
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| 19:08.06 | dihymo | when does the freeze end? |
| 19:08.24 | unixSnob | toolz: actually, i'm using the backports version: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-amd64 |
| 19:08.33 | toolz | and whats that backports? |
| 19:08.45 | toolz | I need something really fast to see all my ram |
| 19:09.28 | unixSnob | toolz: you'll have to google it. It's just a way to get more current stuff |
| 19:09.43 | unixSnob | toolz: it involves editing your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 19:09.48 | hoxu | !tell dihymo about wwlr |
| 19:10.03 | mikeifying | toolz |
| 19:10.14 | toolz | yes |
| 19:10.17 | Jorophose | ah, shucks |
| 19:10.26 | mikeifying | do you know how to edit sources.list? |
| 19:10.40 | Jorophose | I have a USB device that isn't working at all here. just a small flash drive. it used to come up just fine, now it' |
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| 19:10.51 | toolz | SHIT, I have lenny installed |
| 19:10.54 | toolz | yes I know |
| 19:10.57 | Jorophose | *s not doing anything... it shows up in dmesg | tail but nowhere else |
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| 19:11.01 | mikeifying | ok just making aure |
| 19:11.03 | mikeifying | sure |
| 19:11.08 | toolz | I forgot to modify debconf during install |
| 19:11.11 | mikeifying | how do you tell what you have installed? |
| 19:11.11 | toolz | to install stable not testing |
| 19:11.12 | toolz | damn |
| 19:11.27 | unixSnob | mikeifying: dpkg -l |
| 19:11.29 | toolz | deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 19:11.33 | toolz | ? :P |
| 19:12.06 | mikeifying | sweet |
| 19:12.19 | toolz | fuck it, I will reinstall , this is testing |
| 19:12.29 | toolz | brb, reinstalling |
| 19:12.31 | johns_ | we'll do it live |
| 19:12.47 | craigevil-eee | why not stay with testing it will be released soon enough |
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| 19:16.11 | Jorophose | is this a software problem, or a hardware problem?? this is driving me nuts :( |
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| 19:16.57 | toolz | I selected stable instead of testing, it should be ok now, no? |
| 19:17.17 | petemc | Jorophose: look in dmesg/messages/syslog |
| 19:17.19 | enouf | Jorophose: was it ever a u3 device? |
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| 19:18.07 | enouf | Jorophose: run udevmonitor/udevadm, though dmesg should also provide clues, those udev tools will just be more verbose |
| 19:18.16 | Jorophose | no, I don't believe it's a U3 device. it's by this "siliconpower" company... I used it with a vista laptop a few times, but it was clean when I had it, and the only software they advertise is off their site |
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| 19:19.13 | Jorophose | udevmonitor isn't doing anything |
| 19:19.18 | enouf | so, you never saw launchpad stuff? hrm .. |
| 19:19.31 | enouf | well, run it as root, unplug, plugin |
| 19:19.33 | Mark17 | hello, how can i scan a certain ip range (starting at .31 and ending at .158)? i just need to know if port 22 is up or down |
| 19:19.43 | enouf | nmap? |
| 19:19.47 | stoned | ahhh boy |
| 19:20.00 | stoned | I need to go home now |
| 19:20.15 | lostson | arent you at home ? |
| 19:20.17 | stoned | no |
| 19:20.18 | dvs | then go! |
| 19:20.31 | stoned | well if i sit here and chat i can make 75$/her |
| 19:20.33 | stoned | hr |
| 19:20.39 | enouf | stoned: only slimy retailers work on sundays :-p |
| 19:20.41 | stoned | or i can go home and wate time |
| 19:20.46 | lostson | wow can you get me in there stoned |
| 19:20.52 | dvs | waste time! ;-) |
| 19:21.09 | stoned | dude if we stop work one day we get too much shit to do the next day |
| 19:21.11 | dvs | enouf: slimy retailers? |
| 19:21.16 | stoned | I was setting up a debian LAMP all day |
| 19:21.23 | hoxu | Mark17, nmap -p 22 x.y.z.31-158 ? |
| 19:21.36 | stoned | got RoR, ASP.NET mono, pythoin/django, imagemagick |
| 19:21.48 | stoned | etc. etc. etc. like afully flegded webserver for almost any kind of web app |
| 19:21.50 | dvs | stoned: You should have a premade image for a LAMP setup. ;-) |
| 19:21.54 | Jorophose | ok, so my usb mp3 player works just fine |
| 19:21.57 | stoned | yeh I should man |
| 19:21.59 | Jorophose | something is up with that device... |
| 19:22.01 | stoned | it would save time |
| 19:22.17 | dvs | I'm sure it won't be the only time you have to do it. |
| 19:22.17 | Jorophose | is it because it's fat32? is there another mount command for that? |
| 19:22.28 | lostson | mount -t vfat |
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| 19:22.35 | Jorophose | or do I just use vfat?... it's not even registering as a device though |
| 19:23.06 | Mark17 | thanks |
| 19:23.08 | Jorophose | ahhh! |
| 19:23.11 | Jorophose | It's showing! |
| 19:23.18 | Jorophose | I think I need both devices, for some reason |
| 19:23.24 | Jorophose | it's going to get very annoying, though |
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| 19:23.48 | Jorophose | it's probably very bad for my mp3 player to be constantly plugged in and out... |
| 19:23.56 | enouf | heh, windows dynamic disks? |
| 19:23.56 | stoned | nah |
| 19:24.01 | Jorophose | ? |
| 19:24.06 | stoned | you'll be alright |
| 19:24.18 | enouf | Jorophose: now try various ports for each |
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| 19:24.28 | Jorophose | enouf: What do you mean by that?... |
| 19:24.35 | Jorophose | oh, physical ports? |
| 19:24.48 | enouf | Jorophose: yes -- and is there an entry in /etc/fstab for your device? |
| 19:24.54 | toolz | I selected the image: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem-etchnhalf |
| 19:24.55 | toolz | is it ok? |
| 19:24.57 | Jorophose | I tried a whole bunch, the flash drive wouldn't register with any of them until the mp3 player was plugged in |
| 19:25.05 | toolz | there arent amd64 kernels on install menu |
| 19:25.07 | Jorophose | there's one for one of the usb ports |
| 19:25.10 | toolz | is that ok? |
| 19:25.12 | dvs | toolz: for what CPU? |
| 19:25.24 | enouf | toolz: use -bigmem if i386 + 4G or more ram, or use a 64bit amd64 kernel |
| 19:25.24 | toolz | core 2 quad q9550 |
| 19:25.30 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:25.30 | toolz | core 2 quad q9550 8GB ram |
| 19:25.43 | dvs | toolz: That should do fine. |
| 19:25.48 | toolz | k |
| 19:25.54 | valdyn | uh |
| 19:26.06 | valdyn | i thought bigmem was only up to 4G |
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| 19:26.09 | enouf | toolz: you have a security.debian.org line in sources.list? |
| 19:26.18 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 19:26.18 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit. |
| 19:26.30 | toolz | enouf, I installed from an usb stick |
| 19:26.36 | toolz | I will look after installation |
| 19:26.40 | dvs | toolz: doesn't matter |
| 19:26.52 | toolz | I know but let the install finish so I can look in there |
| 19:26.59 | enouf | toolz: it matters for which version of kernel you will get using that metapackage name |
| 19:27.15 | Jorophose | hmm, now the device isn't working again |
| 19:27.22 | enouf | but you should have a line anyways |
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| 19:27.59 | enouf | Jorophose: did yuo setup some funkassed windows/mobo raid (or even lvm (read; dynamic disk)) between those 2 devices? |
| 19:28.24 | Jorophose | http://pastebin.com/d1b38a630 |
| 19:28.39 | Jorophose | is my /etc/fstab. and no, I didn't mess around with anything with windows and this drive |
| 19:28.44 | toolz | ok im at the step where it asks me to install or not security.debian.org and volatile.debian.org |
| 19:28.55 | toolz | should I install? |
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| 19:29.14 | dvs | toolz: security yes |
| 19:29.16 | enouf | toolz: add security atleast |
| 19:29.25 | toolz | ok |
| 19:29.35 | enouf | toolz: the other concern clamav/virus scanners and such |
| 19:30.58 | toolz | grub 2 or grub legacy? |
| 19:30.59 | stoned | hey who said stuff about a lamp iamge |
| 19:31.00 | toolz | which one is fine? |
| 19:31.03 | stoned | tip me, how |
| 19:31.14 | stoned | dvs |
| 19:31.21 | stoned | how a lamp iamge |
| 19:31.24 | enouf | Jorophose: walkman or usbdisk appear they could be relevant entries - plug it in, and mount -a |
| 19:31.24 | dvs | toolz: I'd use legacy |
| 19:31.26 | bart__ | is there a command to full reinstall a pkg in debian? I have installed and then removed pkg mrtg, and manually deleted /etc/mrtg.conf, now I installed mrtg again but there is no mrtg.conf, how can i Recover it? |
| 19:31.28 | toolz | k |
| 19:31.49 | johns_ | man, some computer from a chinese university computing lab has been trying to bruteforce ssh into one of my computers on campus |
| 19:31.52 | johns_ | what can i do? |
| 19:32.02 | johns_ | i live in the u.s.a and the perpetrators are in china |
| 19:32.08 | dvs | stoned: Do an installation onto a hard drive and copy the contents of the drive whenever you want a new installation |
| 19:32.20 | valdyn | johns_: ignore them or use something like fail2ban |
| 19:32.24 | enouf | Jorophose: but, perhaps you altered your HDD order, added a new HDD, or block device, or the kernel's way of seeing them changed (libata - but tht's usually a hdX vs sdX issue) |
| 19:32.25 | toolz | installing grub has failed on hd0 |
| 19:32.39 | valdyn | johns_: you usually get a new bot like that "bruteforcing" every day at least |
| 19:32.45 | enouf | s/kernel/a newer kernel's way/ |
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| 19:32.51 | toolz | I selected no, to install grub legacy and it gived me the error, installing grub on hd0 failed |
| 19:33.33 | enouf | bart__: perhaps /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:33.44 | toolz | why did the grub failed to install |
| 19:33.49 | toolz | anyone? what should I do? |
| 19:33.57 | valdyn | johns_: finally, in all likelyness, this is malware on a different computer, not someone real "attacking" |
| 19:34.00 | Jorophose | "mount -a" hasn't done anything. I only have one HDD, and the occasional USB device |
| 19:34.01 | dvs | toolz: what was the (detailed) error message? |
| 19:34.03 | enouf | geoip blocking johns_ |
| 19:34.05 | toolz | wait |
| 19:34.51 | toolz | grub-install (hd0) has failed. |
| 19:34.54 | toolz | this is a fatal error |
| 19:35.00 | toolz | I see the messages in my language though |
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| 19:35.06 | enouf | Jorophose: when both mp3 + usb key are plugged in; cat /proc/partitions, fdisk -l (pastebin), dmesg | tail -50 |
| 19:35.08 | enouf | er |
| 19:35.14 | enouf | dmesg | tail -n 50 |
| 19:35.39 | enouf | Jorophose: also run 'blkid' and ls -l /dev/disk/* |
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| 19:36.22 | toolz | should I try lilo? but why did grub failed I mean it worked when I installed before lenny |
| 19:36.38 | Jorophose | shit, did this unmount my /, or do they just ignroe it?... |
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| 19:36.58 | valdyn | Jorophose: you cant unmount / |
| 19:37.11 | dvs | toolz: It's hard to tell from the error messages you printed. |
| 19:37.34 | toolz | it only shows that nothing else on a small window with red background |
| 19:37.35 | Jorophose | http://pastebin.com/d3f5bc4be |
| 19:37.39 | Jorophose | there it is, all of it |
| 19:38.40 | Mark17 | what could the reason be that Debian only sees 1GB mem and in the system is 4GB located (if you open the case it is possible to count 4x 1GB, I did replace all ram, but it didnt help) |
| 19:38.59 | valdyn | Mark17: you may be using a kernel that is limited to 1G ram |
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| 19:39.12 | \amethyst | Mark17: are you using the -486 kernel? |
| 19:39.39 | toolz | I installed lilo and no error it is booting now |
| 19:39.43 | \amethyst | Mark17: you should be using -686 (which will give you about 3.2 G) or -686-bigmem (which will give you all 4 G) |
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| 19:40.26 | elz | hello, i have some problems with my wifi card (rtl8187 - awus 036h) |
| 19:40.43 | enouf | Jorophose: looks like maybe you're using device-mapper and possibly some envryption, as i notice loop mount devices as well |
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| 19:40.49 | Gigantic | !when |
| 19:40.50 | dpkg | Now! |
| 19:40.51 | elz | i have installed the drivers with the tutorial on aircrack-ng.org to patch the driver ... |
| 19:41.16 | elz | my card work fine after installation but detect no ap |
| 19:41.42 | elz | have any idea why the card did not receveive ap signal ? |
| 19:41.48 | enouf | not necessarily on your usb key or mp3 player - you should see what gnome-volume-manager says, or can do -- are you using gnome? perhaps try pmount as a user as well |
| 19:41.49 | Jorophose | what I don't get though is how it can work fine and then stop working... :S |
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| 19:42.07 | Jorophose | if I upgraded to Lenny would it give the same results? is there more of a chance of "fixing it"? |
| 19:42.30 | Mark17 | \amethyst: it is the i386 or 64bit version |
| 19:42.36 | enouf | Jorophose: lsmod | egrep 'fat|dos|loop|udf|isofs' |
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| 19:43.03 | Mark17 | valdyn: in what file can i see if the kernel is limited to 1GB RAM? |
| 19:43.05 | Jorophose | joseph@Linda:~$ lsmod | egrep 'fat|dos|loop|udf|isofs' |
| 19:43.05 | Jorophose | vfat 13440 1 |
| 19:43.05 | Jorophose | fat 53020 1 vfat |
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| 19:43.29 | Jorophose | I have a 2GB MP3 player and a 4GB flash drive... |
| 19:43.34 | stew | Mark17: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:44.14 | toolz | Linux mars 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 08:50:08 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:44.21 | toolz | is this ok? |
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| 19:44.52 | enouf | Jorophose: the /dev/loop/0 could just be any iso you loop mounted, or even a stale entry from way ago - so, sorry, but i can't tell if dm involved, nor any crypt, nor if the iso9660 is from some u3 stuffs (there's that on u3 devices, which appears as a cdrom - weird stuff) |
| 19:45.22 | Mark17 | stew: thnx, i will need to check that tomorrow |
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| 19:45.53 | enouf | Jorophose: you forgot ls -l /dev/disk/* output, and also add cat /etc/blkid.tab |
| 19:45.57 | Jorophose | well, I had a CDROM mounted the other day, and I've mounted ISOs before... |
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| 19:46.22 | stew | Mark17: which cpu do you have? |
| 19:47.02 | Jorophose | http://pastebin.com/d39f49dd1 |
| 19:47.32 | enouf | but, according to 'blkid' output you have no / device, nor anything of the sort - or did you omit those - if you think the UUIDs are identifiable/security risk, that's ok, just alter them, but don't leave out full /dev/names from info |
| 19:47.37 | enouf | Jorophose: ^^^^ |
| 19:47.40 | Jorophose | ok, it's working again for some reason... |
| 19:47.46 | enouf | heh |
| 19:47.50 | Jorophose | I have no / working |
| 19:47.52 | Jorophose | * |
| 19:47.59 | Jorophose | I have no / in any of the outputs |
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| 19:48.02 | Mark17 | stew: amd athlon 3600+ |
| 19:48.28 | Jorophose | (sorry, I got a bit distracted... but those are raw copy+paste from the commands you gave me. I think something came up when I did "mount -a") |
| 19:48.35 | stew | Mark17: then you want a -686 kernel or a 686-bigmem kernel, not a -486 kernel |
| 19:48.38 | Jorophose | (like I didn't get prompted but it might have shook something up?) |
| 19:49.45 | enouf | Jorophose: without getting too involved, notice how your symlinks from /dev/disk/* output do not match yuour /etc/fstab entries - for me to sort it, i would make a mistake - you do it ;-) |
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| 19:51.23 | Jorophose | what do you mean?... like I've mounted them in the wrong places?... I might have accidentally done that trying to figure stuff out... |
| 19:51.43 | enouf | Jorophose: yes, mount -a will try to mount all that are listed in /etc/fstab - now, what could be happening is; your mp3 is assigned sda, but without it in, the usb key get's assigned sda (via udev), which is incorrect in /etc/fstab and any UUIDs |
| 19:52.11 | enouf | Jorophose: although - wait one sec |
| 19:52.14 | Jorophose | so how do I fix the problem? |
| 19:52.16 | Gigantic | Does anyone know the equivalent of AuthInteractiveFailureTimeout for openssh? |
| 19:52.26 | Jorophose | remove the entries in fstab to stop the automount confusion? |
| 19:52.34 | toolz | is 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem faster than an amd64 kernel? |
| 19:52.53 | valdyn | toolz: no |
| 19:53.01 | valdyn | toolz: yes |
| 19:53.03 | yareckon | hi guys, how would I go about seeing what the schedule is for a package to get updated in sid? |
| 19:53.05 | stew | toolz: slower |
| 19:53.06 | valdyn | toolz: or depends |
| 19:53.06 | yareckon | the polite way |
| 19:53.08 | toolz | lol |
| 19:53.11 | valdyn | toolz: or doesnt matter |
| 19:53.21 | toolz | it matters to me I need the fastest |
| 19:53.29 | toolz | stew amd64 faster than that one? |
| 19:53.32 | stew | toolz: yes |
| 19:53.32 | valdyn | toolz: the difference does not matter |
| 19:53.39 | valdyn | toolz: depending on what you do with it |
| 19:53.40 | Jorophose | (ok, I've got them in the proper places now enouf. it was my fault, sorry.) |
| 19:54.04 | toolz | I run many counter-strike servers |
| 19:54.30 | toolz | stew can you tell me linux-image for amd64? should I install it? |
| 19:55.06 | stew | toolz: apt-cache search linux-image amd64 |
| 19:55.18 | enouf | Jorophose: what i want to tell you to do is; mv /etc/blkid.tab /etc/blkid.tab.OLD-useless ; go into /dev/disk, and manually rm any symlink referencing any sdX, or sdXX device/partition ; run /sbin/MAKEDEV (or restart udev? or whole DE?) -- BUT!! i'm very unclear/weary of telling you to do that |
| 19:55.19 | stew | toolz: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:55.39 | toolz | core 2 quad q9550 |
| 19:55.43 | toolz | and 8gb of ram |
| 19:56.00 | stew | toolz: then yes, use an amd64 kernel |
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| 19:56.17 | toolz | is it faster than that one? :) |
| 19:56.21 | toolz | the one I have now? |
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| 19:57.12 | toolz | linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf |
| 19:57.13 | enouf | Jorophose: oh? well, you have/had 'noauto' in the mount options for both sda1 and sdb1, so that wasn't the issue per se |
| 19:57.14 | toolz | mrr |
| 19:57.15 | toolz | sorry |
| 19:57.25 | toolz | I should use this one ok? linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf |
| 19:58.00 | stew | toolz: either, linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf is a dummy package that depends on linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 19:58.18 | toolz | so which one do you recommend |
| 19:58.26 | toolz | or linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 ? |
| 19:58.35 | toolz | or linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf? |
| 19:58.38 | stew | either |
| 19:58.46 | toolz | ok |
| 19:58.47 | enouf | toolz: try them both |
| 19:58.51 | \amethyst | libereco: the latter depends on the former |
| 19:58.56 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:59.04 | \amethyst | mis-tab and stew said that already |
| 19:59.05 | toolz | what could be the difference between them? |
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| 19:59.11 | dvs | toolz: linux-image-2.6-amd64-etchnhalf will always upgrade to the latest version |
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| 19:59.23 | toolz | then I will install that one |
| 19:59.40 | stew | toolz: one is a dummy package which means "whatever is the current etchnhalf amd64 kernel" which happens to currently be linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 19:59.53 | toolz | k |
| 20:00.03 | stew | toolz: so installing either package gets you the same kernel, the linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 kernel |
| 20:00.39 | enouf | stew: do you mean linux-*image*-name, not -headers- ? or .. i missed something |
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| 20:00.52 | toolz | btw can I manually install grub now? |
| 20:01.07 | toolz | I installed lilo because grub appeared to show that error and failed installing |
| 20:01.12 | stew | oh, yeah, i never meant to say linux-headers, just linux-image |
| 20:01.19 | toolz | I got it :) |
| 20:01.31 | stew | toolz: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian explains how to install grub |
| 20:01.41 | enouf | toolz: reread everything stew mentioned (but replace s/headers/image ;-) ) .. oh ok |
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| 20:02.04 | toolz | I dont have that file stew |
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| 20:02.17 | stew | toolz: install the grub package |
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| 20:02.44 | toolz | which one apt-get install grub? |
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| 20:02.51 | stew | yes |
| 20:03.01 | toolz | grub is already to the newest version |
| 20:03.04 | Jorophose | hmm |
| 20:03.16 | stew | toolz: oh, it's compressed as README.Debian.gz |
| 20:03.39 | enouf | toolz: you would need that -headers- pkg if you wanted to build say nvidia or ati 3D proprietary video kernel modules, or other things like that - but module-assistant would pull the -headers- pkg in when needed, so remember to use module-assistant for such things |
| 20:03.42 | cantido | Is it possible to create a working application server from the glassfish packages in debian? There only seem to be the component jars |
| 20:04.02 | toolz | enouf, k |
| 20:04.02 | Jorophose | I think it's time to blow this popsicle joint. How long is an install of lenny going to take with CD1 on old hardware? Like an hour? I've been dying to do this... |
| 20:04.13 | enouf | about |
| 20:04.15 | yareckon | yup |
| 20:04.32 | Jorophose | is there an integrity test? like to see if the burn was done properly? |
| 20:04.46 | enouf | check integrity? |
| 20:04.51 | cantido | shouldnt take that long if you only install base |
| 20:04.58 | cantido | enouf: like redhat does I suppose ;) |
| 20:05.03 | enouf | check md5sum |
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| 20:05.05 | yareckon | there is one on the menu if it's not automagic |
| 20:05.05 | Jorophose | well, I'm installing the full CD... |
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| 20:05.28 | cantido | Jorophose: you dont need to install the full cd |
| 20:05.39 | Jorophose | I remember ubuntu I think had one. A friend burnt this for me, so I need to see if it was done properly. |
| 20:05.59 | cantido | Dpkg checks package checksums doesnt it... |
| 20:06.00 | dpkg | cantido: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:06.03 | Jorophose | cantido: I'll probably download all those packages anyway. Unless I can leaf through every single one before install and deselect the less useful ones |
| 20:06.20 | enouf | cantido: there's debsums as well |
| 20:06.36 | toolz | will grub-install /dev/hd0 do the trick? |
| 20:06.42 | yareckon | I do wish that tasksel was a little more like the redhat installer |
| 20:06.45 | cantido | Jorophose: CD1 or DVD1 will contain most of what you need. There are special CD1's if you have a specific desktop in mind |
| 20:06.53 | yareckon | it's pretty slick to pick packages before install |
| 20:06.59 | enouf | toolz: no - (hd0) /dev/hda or similar |
| 20:07.04 | Jorophose | I'm just going to install CD1. |
| 20:07.10 | cantido | yareckon: you mean tasksel before installing base? |
| 20:07.10 | toolz | enouf, sda ? |
| 20:07.16 | enouf | toolz: perhaps, yes |
| 20:07.17 | yareckon | yeah |
| 20:07.19 | toolz | ok |
| 20:07.20 | enouf | toolz: make sure |
| 20:07.23 | cantido | Jorophose: you dont install cd1.. you install what you pick off of cd1 |
| 20:07.37 | enouf | toolz: check with dmesg, et al |
| 20:07.37 | toolz | thats my drive, sda |
| 20:08.10 | yareckon | "web server" or "database server" is a little too vague for my taste |
| 20:08.46 | yareckon | I understand that it's user friendly, but would be nice to swap out a couple of packages before install |
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| 20:09.12 | toolz | enouf, I got: The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 20:09.14 | cantido | I remember in etch or maybe woody you got chucked into dselect or something.. |
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| 20:09.50 | Jorophose | alright, I'm going to do it. if I'm going to continue using my current /home, do I just need to keep the same usernames? |
| 20:10.04 | enouf | toolz: grub uses (hdX) for all HDDs, whether hda/sda/whatever, and ignores counting any optical drives, so depending on drive order, (hd0) is your 1st HDD, (hd1) your 2nd HDD - ensure your #groot= entry in menu.lst is correct and /boot/grub/device.map file is correct |
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| 20:10.44 | cantido | Jorophose: $username doesnt have to map to /home/$username |
| 20:10.50 | enouf | toolz: yeah ... i've seen it - i'm still unsure what the cause is, or if there are various ones |
| 20:11.19 | toolz | how do I fix it |
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| 20:12.00 | enouf | toolz: i suggest you step back, man grub, see this http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html (and install from grub shell) ; and /msg dpkg rescue mode (as another option) |
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| 20:12.52 | oskude | hello, just out of curiosity, do i get banned if i say WTF here ? |
| 20:13.09 | Gigantic | heh |
| 20:13.12 | enouf | i'm not sure if you want to blank any /etc/lilo.conf files or whatever - shouldn't be needed - oh - make sure your BIOS doesn't have the MBR locked/protected and install into sda. not sdaX |
| 20:13.19 | Gigantic | F10's bugs: 9719 bugs found |
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| 20:13.31 | Gigantic | critical: 5012 |
| 20:13.36 | Gigantic | gg |
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| 20:14.10 | dvs | Why do we care about Fedora 10? |
| 20:15.13 | bittin^ | dunno never tried Fedora |
| 20:16.07 | bittin^ | and this is not #Fedora |
| 20:16.07 | Gigantic | I know, I was looking for the Lenny release |
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| 20:16.08 | Gigantic | 1900 vs 10k |
| 20:16.08 | bittin^ | Gigantic: i guess its somewhere at http://debian.org |
| 20:16.09 | jelly-home | Gigantic: keep looking for a month or three. |
| 20:16.11 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 20:16.11 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 20:16.24 | enouf | toolz: you are using grub1 (legacy) ..and not (grub2) grub-pc/grub-whatever, correct? that URL concerns grub1 (legacy) |
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| 20:16.50 | toolz | yes |
| 20:16.52 | toolz | correct |
| 20:17.01 | Gigantic | I was just wondering if to install lenny or etch ... or to wait that's all |
| 20:17.14 | Gigantic | that's why I was comparing... anyways |
| 20:17.15 | troels | go for lenny. |
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| 20:17.44 | bittin^ | go for Lenny |
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| 20:18.57 | Gigantic | prolly, Etch is in this one, I want to replace what is in my laptop |
| 20:19.05 | enouf | toolz: the #groot= entry will only be a possible issue when trying to boot and you get errors, not for installing grub, so you can ignore just that part for now |
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| 20:20.38 | enouf | toolz: did you ever have LVM, or was that drive even a windows dynamic disk, or part of a RAID? if so, you might want to write zeros to the 1st 63 sectors, then reinstall grub (though other metadata could lie on the end of the disk, or anywhere within as well (where windows is concerned)) |
| 20:21.27 | mordy | hey hey hey |
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| 20:24.26 | gewt | !etchhalf |
| 20:24.31 | gewt | hm |
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| 20:26.02 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 20:26.07 | Gigantic | nah, I'll stay w Etch |
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| 20:27.31 | oskude | hmm, is there a #debian for over 18 year old people or may i swear in this channel ? |
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| 20:28.05 | atomikuLaptop | How can I set up the nameservers for an interface with ifconfig? |
| 20:28.52 | \amethyst | !curse |
| 20:28.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker, or if you don't want to see it, read http://f0rked.com/public/irssi-docs/help-full.html#IGNORE (for irssi) |
| 20:29.30 | oskude | eeh, what ? |
| 20:29.30 | Gigantic | oskude: swearing is part of the evolution of language if used propperly, in context and where it is the only/best word to be used... swearing just because makes people stupid tho |
| 20:29.54 | oskude | Gigantic, you say only "stupid" people swear ? |
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| 20:30.10 | \amethyst | and what does swearing have to do with being over 18? Have you *heard* teenagers? |
| 20:30.17 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 20:30.42 | Gigantic | oskude: you fail to see, are you a troll or else? I meant that stupid people swear nonsense for no reason |
| 20:30.53 | oskude | Gigantic, no no |
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| 20:31.00 | oskude | just some principals of the channel |
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| 20:31.11 | Gigantic | smells trolling and stops this conversation |
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| 20:31.35 | oskude | Gigantic, cmon, im trying to discuss IRC and swearing |
| 20:31.57 | Gigantic | #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:32.28 | oskude | what i want to know is, is it allowed to say on #debian, like: WTF it didnt work ? |
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| 20:32.49 | stoned | hm |
| 20:32.58 | stoned | fuck fuckity fuck fuckaroo? |
| 20:33.03 | stoned | yeh sure, just don't curse AT people |
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| 20:33.18 | stoned | like, don't be mean or don't be a dick, its cool |
| 20:33.23 | oskude | stoned, that would give you like a life time ban on #ubuntu ... |
| 20:33.28 | toolz | Memory: 8186728k/9175040k available (2147k kernel code, 200908k reserved, 1003k data, 316k init) |
| 20:33.36 | Waxhead | Hi, trying installing Lenny RC1 now but no matter what mirror I select I get bad archive mirror. Not available or does not have a valid release on it. Please try a different mirror... I am using (for once) the graphical installer. Any idea how to squeeze myself out of this mess ? |
| 20:33.50 | oskude | stoned, yes, that would be rude. but just plain swearing |
| 20:33.56 | stoned | yeh, we treat people like adults here, we dont' have to time to worry about people's manners, just be cool and you'll be fine here |
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| 20:34.08 | oskude | thank god! |
| 20:34.33 | enouf | toolz: looks like 8G to me :-P |
| 20:35.07 | toolz | cool |
| 20:35.07 | toolz | :D |
| 20:35.13 | toolz | noticed, yeah everything is fine now |
| 20:35.14 | toolz | :D |
| 20:35.25 | stoned | dvs, sorry i must have missed your answer |
| 20:35.27 | toolz | fuck sake after 2 days I managed to get it installed |
| 20:35.30 | toolz | lol :P |
| 20:35.33 | toolz | brb, shop |
| 20:35.37 | toolz | I'll be back |
| 20:35.41 | stoned | dvs, could you kindly advise me as to how to prepare a LAMP image in debian? |
| 20:35.48 | dvs | stoned: I was kidding around. |
| 20:35.51 | stoned | oh |
| 20:35.56 | stoned | got my hopes up |
| 20:36.00 | stoned | !smack dvs |
| 20:36.00 | dpkg | smacks dvs upside the head. |
| 20:36.28 | dvs | grunts |
| 20:36.40 | Gigantic | is a troll paranoid... there is a troll under his desk... no wait that's not a troll... brb |
| 20:37.12 | sajes | A gigantic paranoid troll? |
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| 20:37.25 | stoned | he he means he is paranoid, that there might be trolls in his house |
| 20:38.02 | stoned | they wanted ruby so I gave em RoR on the lamp i installed today |
| 20:38.18 | stoned | dunno why they want rails |
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| 20:38.35 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone, |
| 20:38.38 | stoned | helo |
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| 20:39.10 | stoned | dvs, I wonder XAMP is pre configured pacakge |
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| 20:39.36 | stoned | like a wamp, but for mulltiplatform or linux etc |
| 20:39.51 | dvs | XAMP? |
| 20:39.54 | stoned | yeh |
| 20:40.12 | oskude | XAMP = X-OS Apache MySQL PHP ? |
| 20:40.15 | simonrvn | llpp |
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| 20:40.27 | nootoyahora | I'm using kernel 2.6.26-1 from debian packages... It ws running allright till a few hours, that I launched "modconf" and then it started not loading all modules... waht can be going wrong? |
| 20:40.32 | simonrvn | linux lighttpd postgres perl ;p |
| 20:40.46 | Gigantic | better & |
| 20:40.50 | Gigantic | ^ |
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| 20:40.58 | stoned | http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html |
| 20:41.05 | oskude | could someone register ubuntuwtf.org for me ? ;P |
| 20:41.11 | Gigantic | except for apache maybe |
| 20:41.15 | stoned | Welcome to the Linux version of XAMPP |
| 20:41.16 | stoned | (on x86-compatible processors) |
| 20:41.18 | stoned | etc |
| 20:41.21 | simonrvn | though i do admit to using php and mysql, i prefer pg. |
| 20:41.25 | simonrvn | oskude: no |
| 20:41.36 | gewt | I had issues getting my pentium 1 system to boot |
| 20:41.37 | Gigantic | simonrvn: same! |
| 20:41.39 | stoned | I've not had much indepth work with pg |
| 20:41.48 | stoned | I've only ever used mysql mainly |
| 20:41.51 | Gigantic | simonrvn: mysql give me headaches |
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| 20:41.59 | oskude | ok, so XAMP != XAMPP |
| 20:41.59 | bartden | hi, is there a possibility to associate the execution of a certain shell script with a connection to a certain AP in wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:42.01 | stoned | I've been told that pg is better, but mysql works fine for what I do |
| 20:42.17 | stoned | do you see my nickname? |
| 20:42.20 | simonrvn | same. and has more overhead for similar capability |
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| 20:42.25 | gewt | i installed to the HDD from another system and installed linux-image-2.6.18-386 moved the hd to the pentium 1 and booted the kernel, then it tried to boot, but can't mount the root filesystem |
| 20:42.26 | stoned | !ping |
| 20:42.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:42.29 | gewt | 'any ideas whats wrong? |
| 20:42.32 | gewt | !pong |
| 20:42.32 | dpkg | [pong] the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 20:42.38 | Gigantic | !slap stoned |
| 20:42.38 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across stoned's face |
| 20:42.53 | stoned | gewt, i didn't know you could do that |
| 20:42.55 | cantido | stoned: everyone says pg is better, but even VA or whoever that made it dont use it :/ |
| 20:43.00 | Gigantic | lol |
| 20:43.14 | gewt | stoned, it worked, except it can't mount the root filesystem :/ |
| 20:43.18 | stoned | gewt, what does your boot menu.lst look like |
| 20:43.27 | stoned | gewt, you might be missing a root= param perhaps? |
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| 20:43.31 | Gigantic | pg is not only batter, but IMO easier... and I love it for being more stable |
| 20:43.34 | gewt | stoned, it starts to boot and gets to ninit and stuff |
| 20:43.39 | gewt | but that could be |
| 20:43.43 | stoned | show me your boot |
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| 20:43.50 | stoned | er.. entry |
| 20:43.52 | gewt | i don';t have access to the system |
| 20:43.55 | cantido | Gigantic: its slower for a lot of simple applications IIRC |
| 20:43.56 | gewt | currently |
| 20:43.59 | stoned | thn why are yo worried about fixing it? |
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| 20:44.05 | stoned | let people who have access worry abotu it |
| 20:44.07 | stoned | right| |
| 20:44.13 | gewt | i wnated to know so I could fix it the next time i'm there |
| 20:44.14 | stoned | my ekyboard is going apaeshit |
| 20:44.16 | stoned | fjkc. |
| 20:44.21 | Gigantic | cantido: do you have a reference? Idts |
| 20:44.24 | gewt | the people with access to it wouldn't understand what to do. |
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| 20:44.40 | stoned | gewt, then we can't help you until you have enough access |
| 20:44.42 | stoned | :/ |
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| 20:44.52 | Jorophose | what is the bootable flag for?? I'm installing debian right now, it's asking me if I should use it with a logical partition... that was under xubuntu, so if I set the flag is that what enables me to boot normally? |
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| 20:45.01 | stoned | gewt, you can still cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:45.02 | gewt | what it does, is it gets to "Waiting for root fielsystem" and then stalls |
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| 20:45.13 | valdyn | Jorophose: its a useless flag |
| 20:45.15 | gewt | stoned, how? no physical access |
| 20:45.15 | cantido | Gigantic: google |
| 20:45.16 | gewt | wait |
| 20:45.18 | valdyn | Jorophose: except for windows |
| 20:45.20 | stoned | oh boy |
| 20:45.22 | stoned | I give up! |
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| 20:45.25 | gewt | i could clal the owner and have them change it |
| 20:45.26 | stew | Jorophose: the bootable flag is used by some bootloaders to decide which partition to boot to. its ignored by grub and lilo |
| 20:45.28 | Jorophose | I don't dual-boot. do I set the flag so it can boot? |
| 20:45.29 | Gigantic | cantido: oh yeah, quite specific :) |
| 20:45.41 | Jorophose | or should I anyway?... or is it needless complication? |
| 20:45.53 | stew | Jorophose: which bootloader are you going to use? |
| 20:45.55 | Jorophose | grub |
| 20:46.01 | Jorophose | or lilo, or whatever is default |
| 20:46.04 | cantido | Gigantic: lots of benchmarks from lots of different people with alsorts of bias |
| 20:46.07 | stew | Jorophose: then it doesn't matter what that flag is set to, it will be ignored |
| 20:46.10 | johns_ | valdyn: the computer that is doing all the bruteforcing is located at vilab.hit.edu.cn (runs ubuntu). could it be that it's an insecure ubuntu setup? |
| 20:46.15 | Jorophose | okay, thank you =D |
| 20:46.15 | stoned | flag = not needed for grub, for ntldr and dos etc. i think it is needed to have a b flag on a partition |
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| 20:46.25 | cantido | Gigantic: but VA who made/support its development use mysql for sourceforge |
| 20:46.28 | Gigantic | g. Postgres forks on every incoming connection - and the forking process and backend setup is a bit slow, |
| 20:46.30 | johns_ | valdyn: and i meant more along the lines of asking someone to go take a look at its activity |
| 20:46.32 | Gigantic | rite |
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| 20:46.42 | valdyn | johns_: sure |
| 20:46.51 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 20:47.04 | johns_ | likes the old days of the internet where there was a lot more trust and less malicious activity |
| 20:47.18 | cantido | johns_: and 2 users? |
| 20:47.26 | johns_ | haha, yes, who i knew personally |
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| 20:47.56 | Gigantic | cantido: tho, it looks a bit biased... |
| 20:48.07 | gewt | to edit a boot line you hit e right? |
| 20:48.38 | \amethyst | cantido: I didn't know VA made Postgres |
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| 20:49.02 | cantido | \amethyst: I'm sure I read it on sf once ... we make postgres but dont use it |
| 20:49.09 | simonrvn | cantido: on a slow box, who notices that stuff :P |
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| 20:49.58 | gewt | k |
| 20:50.11 | gewt | the people with access are going to help me get it to boot |
| 20:50.14 | gewt | well |
| 20:50.16 | chris081 | i added export SUN_PATH=/usr/local/sun/ export PATH=$PATH:$SUN_PATH/java/jdk1.6.0_11/bin. Now, in a shell, if i type $PATH, the output includes two times the $SUNPATH/java/jdk1.6.0_11/bin. Any ideas ? |
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| 20:50.24 | gewt | i'll eb helpign them help me get them to boot it |
| 20:50.32 | chris081 | *added in /etc/profil |
| 20:50.52 | simonrvn | anyway, on tight resources, when you have a process that would take half of system memory, versus one that would take 25% of it run, guess which one is going to swap less. |
| 20:51.03 | simonrvn | chris081: "/etc/profile" |
| 20:51.16 | Gigantic | I know this: I've seen psql bugged only once in my life... and I've seen and had mysql corrupted a bunch of times... tho this may sound a bit of flamming, I just speak for what I've seen |
| 20:51.20 | \amethyst | chris081: did you add it only in /etc/profile, or is it also somewhere else |
| 20:51.25 | simonrvn | the system is not going to pay attention to /etc/profil |
| 20:51.47 | chris081 | only in /etc/profile |
| 20:51.50 | simonrvn | unless you rewrite the damned thing |
| 20:51.56 | cantido | Gigantic: everyone can say that about everything though... |
| 20:52.02 | chris081 | probably a mistake while typing, simonrvn |
| 20:52.02 | Gigantic | yea |
| 20:53.04 | chris081 | anyway, this was the good file, i'm sure, because that file as other commands inside, and while using vi, if i would type vi /etc/profil, and the file didn't existed yet, it would be written at the end of the page [new file] |
| 20:55.18 | enouf | chris081: i have no idea if this is apropos for you, sun java, but see update-java-alternatives |
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| 20:55.40 | jelly-home | simonrvn: postgres uses shared mem so its memory usage isn't immediately discernible |
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| 20:55.59 | dvs | sneaky bastard! |
| 20:56.19 | enouf | df! |
| 20:56.30 | chris081 | enouf: thanks, but the problem isn't really concerning java or sun's products. The problem is that i added one entry in the PATH sys. variable, and the output prints two of that entry |
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| 20:57.36 | simonrvn | jelly-home: sure, but still uses less. the swap partitions are on noisy drives, i notice ;). |
| 20:57.52 | enouf | chris081: well, myabe your $SUN_PATH already includes what you've added - and use 'echo $PATH' |
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| 20:58.54 | enouf | chris081: oh, you didn't need the export SUN_PATH= .. as you're declaring a VAR there, not exporting, just drop the export part |
| 20:59.07 | toolz | back, I installed quota and did after: quotacheck -avugm, I got two warnings before it started scanning, like: quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.user was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... and quotacheck: WARNING - Quotafile //quota.group was probably truncated. Cannot save quota settings... |
| 20:59.13 | toolz | should I worry? |
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| 20:59.41 | enouf | chris081: SUN_PATH=/usr/local/sun/\n export PATH=$PATH:$SUN_PATH/java/jdk1.6.0_11/bin (something akin to that - the \n == newline) |
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| 21:00.18 | dancor | is mpg321 supposed to work with dmix automatically? i.e. should i be able to play two different songs at once |
| 21:00.30 | jelly-home | toolz: not directly related, but an initial enabling of quota should be done in single-user mode, not with processes messing with the filesystem |
| 21:00.44 | chris081 | enouf: the SUN_PATH sys variable are a custom one; i added it only because all of my suns applications are installed in the same directory, so this shortent the PATH. For example: /usr/local/sun/java:/usr/local/sun/mysql/:/usr/local/sun/. so referencing SUN_PATH as /usr/local/sun/ is short and avoir to re-type it everytimes. |
| 21:00.50 | enouf | chris081: and quote the entire "$PATH:$SUN_PATH/java/jdk1.6.0_11/bin" |
| 21:00.56 | dancor | http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin#The_Dmix_Howto seems to say that. but i try it and the second instance says "ALSA snd_pcm_open error: Device or resource busy |
| 21:01.00 | dancor | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)" |
| 21:01.14 | enouf | chris081: sure, i understand that part - yep |
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| 21:02.15 | Gigantic | do you know a pretty nice last age commercial game that have *nix support apart of quake/ul ? |
| 21:02.43 | enouf | dancor: install alsa-utils and alsa-oss perphaps (lsmod | grep snd_mixer_oss) modprobe that one if no return hits |
| 21:03.10 | chris081 | enouf: ok, the 'second' part isn't really more complicated (no offense, i'm not perfect bilingual, so). If in a shell i type $PATH, it produce the output, but the output is wrong: it added twice the path to the java bin directory. and i fear, that later this would confuse the os while trying to execute java or javac, for example |
| 21:03.34 | enouf | dancor: i play many songs at once using mplayer (each launched in their own xterm) |
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| 21:04.08 | dancor | enouf: both are installed and snd_mixer_oss is mod-probed. i tried using -o alsa with mpg321 too. hm ok maybe i'll switch to mplayer then |
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| 21:04.34 | toolz | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'mars.hostingbit.com' failed error: 'Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111' |
| 21:04.46 | toolz | tryed to: mysqladmin -h mars.hostingbit.com -u root password mypassword |
| 21:04.49 | dancor | enouf: which -ao with mplayer? i'm getting [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1132:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 21:04.55 | dancor | something must be wrong with my setup |
| 21:04.56 | enouf | chris081: i understand what you are witnessing, however, i suggested a possible fix, but also check your ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile files for duplicate entries |
| 21:05.00 | jelly-home | dancor: mpg123 does alsa |
| 21:05.13 | chris081 | enouf: ok, thanks |
| 21:05.24 | Gigantic | points at smplayer |
| 21:05.58 | enouf | dancor: seems like it - what does dpkg -l \*alsa* | grep ^.i say? and /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 21:06.05 | enouf | dancor: pastebin output |
| 21:06.40 | enouf | dancor: -ao alsa here - it |
| 21:06.50 | enouf | dancor: -ao alsa here - it's all in my ~/.mplayer/config |
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| 21:07.59 | dancor | ok. other data point is that two instances of alsaplayer -o also -d plug:dmix does work |
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| 21:09.31 | chris081 | set hidemail on |
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| 21:13.23 | gewt | it's booting from /dev.hda1 and menu.lst is correct |
| 21:13.44 | gewt | so it's correct, any ideas whats wrong? |
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| 21:14.08 | gewt | correct kernel |
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| 21:14.11 | gewt | proper root line |
| 21:14.24 | gewt | properm kernel line containign root=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:14.32 | gewt | i don't see why it's not working right |
| 21:14.48 | adrenaline | What is the story? |
| 21:15.10 | adrenaline | did you recompile? |
| 21:15.15 | Gigantic | is important the number in the filename under /udev/ ? |
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| 21:16.07 | Gigantic | I have set some rules to my cellphone to be used as a phone, but now the system refuse to recognize it as a block device when in memory mode |
| 21:17.42 | gewt | it's set to /dev/hda1 which *should* be correct |
| 21:17.47 | gewt | could t be an fstab error? |
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| 21:18.47 | gewt | hmmm |
| 21:18.47 | dancor | enouf: dpkg stuff with alsa: http://pastebin.com/m4d9af94 |
| 21:18.47 | gewt | the systems have different disk configurations |
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| 21:20.39 | dancor | enouf: maybe things are working better for you bc you are using esd or something |
| 21:20.52 | enouf | dancor: nope, nor artsd |
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| 21:22.27 | enouf | dancor: you have a ~/.asoundrc file? or similar? how about a /etc/asoundconf file? |
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| 21:22.34 | buntfalke | how to make strigi index pdf files in lenny? |
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| 21:23.24 | enouf | dancor: lshal | grep linux.device_file | sort and tell me, do you have more than one soundcard installed? (Onboard or otherwise?) |
| 21:23.34 | toolz | is there any Zend package for amd64 which can be installed with apt-get? |
| 21:24.02 | enouf | toolz: do you mean Xen? |
| 21:24.10 | toolz | no Zend Optimizer |
| 21:24.14 | mngrif | zend is a php optimizer |
| 21:24.17 | enouf | oh, k |
| 21:24.17 | mngrif | and no there isn't a .deb |
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| 21:24.53 | gewt | hda and hdb don't work... |
| 21:25.04 | mikeifying | can someone tell me how to make my video players view flv files? |
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| 21:25.38 | enouf | mikeifying: i use /msg dpkg youtube script (personally) |
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| 21:25.57 | enouf | mikeifying: mplayer won't do SWF though, but will do FLV |
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| 21:28.16 | enouf | dancor: welp, i guess my bad about esd|arts - i guess one/both of their 'libs' are loaded - i really am not an alsa bisector, http://pastebin.ca/raw/1306027 |
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| 21:28.45 | dancor | enouf: apparently i don't have dbus running so i'm figuring that out right now |
| 21:28.54 | gewt | i;ve tried root=/dev/hda1 root=/dev/hdb1 root=/dev/hdc1...should I try root-/dev/hdd1? |
| 21:29.15 | enouf | how about sda1? |
| 21:29.33 | enouf | how about root=UUID=321564321-xxxxx-xxxxx ? |
| 21:29.45 | gewt | how can I get the UUID? |
| 21:29.53 | enouf | how about root=LABEL=MyHDD-that-i-cannot-find |
| 21:30.03 | gewt | idk the label |
| 21:30.04 | johns_ | /sbin/vol_id should get it for you |
| 21:30.12 | gewt | i cant get the system to boot |
| 21:30.13 | enouf | gewt: blkid |
| 21:30.21 | enouf | boot a livecd |
| 21:30.27 | gewt | it can't boot livecds |
| 21:30.32 | johns_ | ah, blkid is much better |
| 21:30.48 | gewt | it's a pentium1 |
| 21:30.58 | enouf | my pentium1 boots cds |
| 21:31.07 | gewt | this one is weird |
| 21:31.09 | gewt | and |
| 21:31.17 | gewt | it stalls at "Waiting for root filesystem" |
| 21:31.20 | enouf | well - only certain ones gewt |
| 21:31.24 | gewt | would it be the grub root= error or fstab? |
| 21:31.36 | enouf | so i use SBM on floppy to load any Bootbale CD |
| 21:31.38 | johns_ | gewt: use smart boot manager. my pentium 1 75 mhz needs that on a floppy because the bios is so old |
| 21:31.43 | enouf | bootable |
| 21:31.51 | gewt | it can't boot form floppy easily |
| 21:32.02 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 21:32.02 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 21:32.09 | johns_ | haha |
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| 21:32.12 | johns_ | seriously. |
| 21:32.20 | johns_ | usb? serial man |
| 21:33.01 | gewt | hm |
| 21:33.08 | enouf | gewt: is there a revious installation you're trying to get at/into? |
| 21:33.11 | gewt | is fstab wrong or is menu.lst? |
| 21:33.16 | enouf | or .. are you installing? |
| 21:33.19 | johns_ | completely different things |
| 21:33.27 | enouf | which Kernel and initrd? custom? |
| 21:33.28 | johns_ | fstab is for mounting, menu.lst is for booting |
| 21:33.39 | gewt | enouf, I installed debian to the hdd using another system, and I mvoed the hdd to the p1 |
| 21:33.42 | gewt | enouf, 2.6.18-386 |
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| 21:33.57 | gewt | 2.6.18-6-686 instantly reboots the system |
| 21:34.10 | johns_ | duh |
| 21:34.12 | johns_ | 686 |
| 21:34.13 | gewt | it gets past mounting root filesystem |
| 21:34.22 | gewt | but stalls at waiting for root fiulesystem |
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| 21:34.30 | enouf | gewt: you're missing disk controller support, or FStype support - or, you never rebooted while in other system so no initrd was created |
| 21:34.53 | gewt | i booted into the system |
| 21:35.03 | gewt | and installed the kernel |
| 21:35.20 | enouf | johns_: well, depending on which pentium1, it could be a p-pro which is -686 |
| 21:35.22 | gewt | but never rebooted into the 386 kernel cuz i don't think it's work no a celeron |
| 21:35.26 | gewt | it's a MMX |
| 21:35.33 | gewt | 233MHZ P1 MMX |
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| 21:36.03 | enouf | mmx is not a p-pro necessarily |
| 21:36.03 | johns_ | i thought p-pro was pii |
| 21:36.11 | johns_ | maybe i'm mistaken |
| 21:36.23 | gewt | maybe it's sda1... |
| 21:36.36 | enouf | johns_: no, some p1s are them - the p-pro is the p6 generation beginning, i guess |
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| 21:36.50 | gewt | it has root (hd0,0) |
| 21:36.56 | simonrvn | p-pro is 586 or 686 |
| 21:37.13 | simonrvn | i have an old p-pro that's 586 |
| 21:37.27 | enouf | simonrvn: i think not, but really don't care :-) you have a 586 w/MMX - not a p-pro |
| 21:37.36 | enouf | simonrvn: so do i |
| 21:37.37 | stew | i'm throwing out a pentium pro today |
| 21:37.57 | simonrvn | enouf: cpuinfo was ling to me then |
| 21:38.03 | simonrvn | lying |
| 21:38.08 | mngrif | stew: hand it out through craigslist. i'm about to give a truckload of 486's to someone later on today |
| 21:38.25 | gewt | it does start init and stuff |
| 21:38.30 | stew | mngrif: i doubt anyone on craigslist wants it |
| 21:38.34 | enouf | simonrvn: perhaps - not an issue really - let em stick with the -386 or -486 kernels for now, for safety ;-) |
| 21:38.35 | gewt | just stalls at waiting for root filesystem |
| 21:38.52 | mngrif | stew: i thought the same about 486's |
| 21:38.57 | simonrvn | !waiting for root filesystem |
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| 21:39.07 | simonrvn | !waiting for the root filesystem |
| 21:39.07 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
| 21:39.16 | stew | mngrif: note that i don't have a motherboard for it |
| 21:39.30 | gewt | ill try that |
| 21:39.32 | gewt | bbl dinner |
| 21:39.33 | mngrif | ah :) |
| 21:39.36 | enouf | gewt: maybe - get into a LiveCD the ways we mentioned - chroot, then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version (your installed kernel version) |
| 21:39.45 | simonrvn | i sorta doubt it's that though |
| 21:39.48 | mngrif | nah, turn it in to a key chain dangly thingy then |
| 21:40.17 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 21:40.33 | stew | mngrif: i actually saved my 486 dx4s for that, but threw out the SXs |
| 21:40.41 | enouf | dpkg waiting for root filesystem is <reply> see waiting for the root filesystem |
| 21:40.41 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 21:40.51 | stew | the ppro is too big |
| 21:41.18 | mngrif | one of the better paperweights i've seen is a cube made out of 486's |
| 21:41.45 | toolz | how do I disable selinux |
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| 21:42.04 | kibibyte | hi |
| 21:42.08 | kibibyte | i have question |
| 21:42.15 | simonrvn | don't enable it in the first place |
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| 21:43.00 | kibibyte | how to run command as root from script , non interactive |
| 21:43.04 | kibibyte | ? |
| 21:43.13 | Gigantic | toolz: selinux=0 in the boot |
| 21:43.21 | kibibyte | itsasking mefor password when i tun it with sudo |
| 21:43.43 | kibibyte | ?? |
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| 21:43.50 | toolz | Gigantic where exactly in the boot |
| 21:43.57 | Gigantic | kibibyte: think you have to set setuid to the script |
| 21:43.59 | stew | kibibyte: man sudoers ; man visudo |
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| 21:44.06 | stew | no, setuid won't work |
| 21:44.08 | Gigantic | toolz: grub's line |
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| 21:44.16 | toolz | Gigantic, I use lilo |
| 21:44.28 | Gigantic | lilo's line then... who use lilo? |
| 21:44.37 | jelly-home | trollz do. |
| 21:44.38 | kibibyte | stew, ?? |
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| 21:44.59 | toolz | its not in lilo.conf |
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| 21:45.16 | \amethyst | kibibyte: you can set up sudoers so that a given user can run commands, or certain commands, as root without giving a password |
| 21:45.27 | jelly-home | toolz: you'd add it to kernel's options (near root=...) and rerun lilo |
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| 21:45.29 | kibibyte | hm |
| 21:45.52 | bluefoxx | what was the last debian release that would have supported the sun sparcstation classic? |
| 21:46.08 | toolz | jelly-home like this? root=/dev/sda1 selinux=0 |
| 21:46.13 | bluefoxx | i'm trying to boot a 4.0 etch cd but it doesn't want to see my cdrom drive |
| 21:46.13 | jelly-home | toolz: right |
| 21:46.28 | toolz | Unrecognized token "selinux" at or above line 16 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' |
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| 21:46.40 | bluefoxx | previusly the machine ran an older version of debian but the drive died seemingly |
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| 21:47.16 | \amethyst | toolz: append="selinux=0" |
| 21:47.20 | jelly-home | toolz: oh, I'm an idiot. it's not there, it's in the append="..." line(s) |
| 21:47.45 | toolz | k |
| 21:48.12 | stew | kibibyte: yeah? |
| 21:49.18 | kibibyte | why i need to run viduso instead of maunally editon /etc/sudores |
| 21:49.19 | kibibyte | ? |
| 21:49.48 | \amethyst | kibibyte: because if /etc/sudoers has incorrect syntax, you might not be able to become root again to fix it |
| 21:49.55 | kibibyte | oh |
| 21:49.59 | \amethyst | kibibyte: so visudo verifies the syntax before writing the file |
| 21:50.28 | \amethyst | kibibyte: it also prevents simultaneous edits |
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| 21:51.25 | Gigantic | you can set another editor in case you don't like to use vi with visudo too |
| 21:51.27 | kibibyte | and if there will be my user in /ets/sudoers then i can exexute scrit which is owned by root and it won ask for password? |
| 21:51.48 | Gigantic | export EDITOR=/path/to/my/emacs |
| 21:51.50 | Gigantic | or w/e |
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| 21:52.17 | \amethyst | Gigantic: visudo doesn't honor EDITOR unless the program is named in the "editor sudoers" variable |
| 21:52.18 | dancor | well i have gotten mplayer -ao sdl to use dmix properly |
| 21:52.20 | dancor | that's something |
| 21:52.30 | \amethyst | Gigantic: so you have to use vi at least once :) |
| 21:52.44 | Gigantic | >.< |
| 21:52.45 | stew | nah, you can use update-alternatives --config editor |
| 21:53.08 | stew | and nano is the default /usr/bin/editor these days anyway |
| 21:53.17 | \amethyst | ah, right |
| 21:53.18 | Gigantic | ^ |
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| 21:53.49 | gewt | enouf, it can't boot into a livecd |
| 21:54.10 | gewt | it couldn't even boot the debian install cd or floppy |
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| 21:54.43 | gewt | FLOPPY |
| 21:54.59 | elik | Has debian-unofficial heard about etch being released??? |
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| 21:55.15 | simonrvn | etch was released a long time ago. |
| 21:55.20 | htmlol | hehe |
| 21:55.28 | bluefoxx | anyone? |
| 21:55.31 | elik | simonrvn, sure, I know |
| 21:55.49 | elik | but for debian-unofficial it's still testing, and there is no lenny out there |
| 21:55.59 | elik | for a fact, lenny is about to be released |
| 21:56.05 | simonrvn | debian-unofficial what? |
| 21:56.12 | elik | as a matter of fact* |
| 21:56.41 | elik | simonrvn, http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 21:56.50 | \amethyst | it looks like debian-unofficial is rather out of date |
| 21:57.14 | Gigantic | Lenny is about to be released for 5 months tho |
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| 21:57.27 | elik | http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian-unofficial/dists/ |
| 21:57.32 | simonrvn | Last modified: Tue Dec 11 00:53:14 2007 - Last compiled: Mon Feb 4 15:22:06 2008 |
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| 21:57.33 | jelly-home | Gigantic: where are you pulling that date from? |
| 21:57.39 | simonrvn | home page |
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| 21:57.43 | Gigantic | my head :) |
| 21:57.48 | me_ | can anyone tell me how i figure out which mail server is installed? |
| 21:57.58 | giusef | Hi all. In Debian I cannot find transmission (client bittorrent). My sources.list is: http://rafb.net/p/YHan3W28.html |
| 21:58.01 | Gigantic | I remember it was going to be released in October |
| 21:58.05 | simonrvn | sendmail --version ? :) |
| 21:58.09 | elik | simonrvn, yeah, yuk... |
| 21:58.11 | gewt | enouf, the system can |
| 21:58.15 | gewt | t even boot live floppies |
| 21:58.19 | Gigantic | then, nov, dec... but people like myself report bugs late :( |
| 21:58.30 | elik | simonrvn, and some packages refer to it, like libdvdcss2 |
| 21:58.33 | giusef | solved |
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| 21:58.49 | simonrvn | elik: i don't use that source. |
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| 21:59.43 | elik | not going to either since I'm on lenny... but I find it weird it is referred to in some packages and it's totally out of date |
| 22:00.34 | elik | :q |
| 22:00.38 | elik | oops |
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| 22:00.52 | stoned | oh my god! firefox is taking 1200~ish mb of ram! |
| 22:01.03 | stoned | my entire system is lagging, taking 1 minute to even draw a window |
| 22:01.05 | elik | who said it leaked? |
| 22:01.09 | amphi | stoned: res.? |
| 22:01.13 | Gigantic | stoned: do you have 300 myspace pages open? |
| 22:01.18 | elik | how many tabs open? |
| 22:01.25 | elik | all with flash! |
| 22:01.30 | timebomb | hello, how can i pass a preseed file in a netboot environment? file= doesn't seem to work does it have to be a http thing? |
| 22:01.31 | stoned | holy balls man geezus christ... no man I got like maybe 4-6 tabs at any time |
| 22:01.38 | euphidime | stoned: Probably a plugin like Flash causing it |
| 22:01.39 | amphi | heh |
| 22:01.41 | stoned | I have flashblock |
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| 22:01.48 | stoned | I have to click to make flash work |
| 22:01.53 | stoned | so thats not the problem |
| 22:01.55 | Gigantic | hates flash |
| 22:01.55 | euphidime | Any high res images up? |
| 22:01.59 | elik | stoned, fancy |
| 22:02.04 | stoned | htop shows that firefox-bin is taking 1290mb or ram |
| 22:02.07 | timebomb | i got 43 tabs open right now |
| 22:02.10 | stoned | amphi, 16:10 |
| 22:02.12 | timebomb | 130 mb |
| 22:02.15 | stoned | 22" LCD |
| 22:02.28 | timebomb | which ff version is that? |
| 22:02.32 | Gigantic | euphidime: unless the image is a 900000x tiff image... |
| 22:02.56 | stoned | ok i had to kill -9 it |
| 22:02.59 | euphidime | Gigantic: Well, he could have several up. Not to mention if it's scaled down it needs to store multiple copies of the image in memory |
| 22:03.00 | toolz | doesnt work |
| 22:03.02 | timebomb | which ver? |
| 22:03.11 | timebomb | anyway can anyone help me with the netboot thing? |
| 22:03.19 | timebomb | i dunno how to make it read my preseed file |
| 22:03.20 | toolz | I added append="selinux=0" in lilo.conf but selinux still enabled |
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| 22:03.29 | elik | 1.3G, c'mon! no matter how many images, it makes no sense |
| 22:03.31 | stoned | ok we're back to normal |
| 22:03.44 | jelly-home | toolz: how does it affect you? |
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| 22:04.01 | euphidime | True, just thinking of things that usualy cause firefox to consume large amounts of RAM |
| 22:04.09 | toolz | jelly-home, I need to install an web panel, and it gives me: |
| 22:04.09 | craigevil-eee | stoned: Processes 71 Uptime 1:37 Memory 442.9/1003.4MB that with iceweasel with 5 tabs including pandora streaming, kpdf open and a couple other apps |
| 22:04.10 | toolz | Permissions: Valid: Message: |
| 22:04.10 | toolz | SELinux ERROR SELinux should be disabled in order for GameCP to operate correctly. |
| 22:04.10 | euphidime | stoned: Did you restore your session? |
| 22:04.28 | Gigantic | myspace is the heaviest bugiest I can think of |
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| 22:04.45 | mavhc | pandora probably leaks ram into flash plugin |
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| 22:04.49 | Gigantic | some pages have like 30 flash movies and gifs and stuff |
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| 22:04.58 | jelly-home | toolz: which release of debian is this? uname -r? |
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| 22:05.07 | elik | Gigantic, he's got flashblock... |
| 22:05.18 | toolz | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 |
| 22:05.19 | kibibyte | how to prevent for asking password when running command with sudo |
| 22:05.23 | Gigantic | stoned: no-script ? |
| 22:05.29 | kibibyte | i have user in /etc/duoers |
| 22:05.32 | kibibyte | sudoers |
| 22:05.40 | stoned | no i hate that addon |
| 22:05.44 | Gigantic | kibibyte: NOPASSWD |
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| 22:06.31 | Gigantic | kibibyte: user ALL = (user-target) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/whatever |
| 22:06.33 | Gigantic | ej |
| 22:06.49 | elik | Hey, just bough a new HD, plugging it in, and creating a new partition on it.. it asks me for the partition table type, and the msdos default does not please me much! |
| 22:06.53 | elik | Wath is that exactly? |
| 22:07.15 | jelly-home | toolz: debian kernels have SELinux compiled in, but it is NOT active by default |
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| 22:08.04 | toolz | jelly-home how do I make that message dissapear thn it complains about selinux |
| 22:08.20 | jelly-home | toolz: I'd ask the GameCP people |
| 22:08.32 | elik | it's not going to be a bootable partition or anything... just 1TB of raw bits! |
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| 22:09.00 | kibibyte | thx |
| 22:09.01 | kibibyte | :d |
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| 22:09.44 | elik | So, anyone got an idea for those msdos partition table |
| 22:09.58 | amphi | stoned: FWIW, midori is using 442MB here, with over 90 tabs open |
| 22:10.11 | elik | I don't remember having to make that choice on previous hard drives... probably cause they came preformated and partitionned... |
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| 22:12.13 | Gigantic | sings |
| 22:12.42 | enouf | gewt: hrm, why not? enable it in the BIOS ;-) |
| 22:13.41 | enouf | amphi: sigh .. i've upgraded to latest sid version, some nice fixes + features - sadly, still unusable :-/ |
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| 22:13.53 | stew | elik: what don't you like about msdos partition tables? |
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| 22:14.11 | gewt | enouf, i think the dirves broken |
| 22:14.11 | elik | stew, erm, I just don't know what it is... |
| 22:14.24 | elik | stew, and what other options are valid.. or not |
| 22:14.27 | enouf | amphi: mnay sites loaded with flash, tickers, banners, etc all lock .. or take forEVER to load |
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| 22:14.36 | eptalon | heyas |
| 22:14.52 | enouf | amphi: then scrolling lags about 10-20 sec behind, and all catches up at once :-p |
| 22:15.00 | elik | stew, so partition table is where I create primary and logical partition I guess |
| 22:15.03 | stew | elik: there is gpt, but its no very comonly used |
| 22:15.05 | eptalon | Are there any special linux-images for 64 bit (pentium D)? |
| 22:15.12 | enouf | gewt: floppy drive == 5 dollah ;-) |
| 22:15.20 | stew | elik: yes, and if you want "primary" and "logical" then you want msdos |
| 22:15.24 | elik | stew, ok, so everything still relies on msdos partition tables? |
| 22:15.25 | enouf | gewt: ensure the cables are hooked up properly |
| 22:15.34 | mns | If I've got a debian directory in a source tree, what command can I use to build the debian package ? |
| 22:15.34 | elik | stew, cool.. just want one primary, but ok |
| 22:15.35 | amphi | enouf: I get that sort of blocking occasionally, but quite rarely |
| 22:15.37 | \amethyst | eptalon: if you're using i386 debian, then linux-image-*-amd64 |
| 22:15.50 | enouf | amphi: try news12.com and poke around ;-P |
| 22:16.05 | eptalon | \amethyst: for an Intel Pentium D? |
| 22:16.13 | stew | elik: msdos partition tables are the most commonly used |
| 22:16.15 | elik | stew, and you know why my 1TB can only be formatted in ext2, ext3, reiser and linux-swap (hehe, 1TB of swap!) |
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| 22:16.29 | \amethyst | eptalon: yes, for all 64-bit x86 processors |
| 22:16.34 | stew | elik: no, what do you mean? |
| 22:16.46 | toolz | jelly-home it was /etc/selinux/config selinux=disabled |
| 22:16.52 | elik | stew, well, I'm using GParted and those are the only options for that partition... |
| 22:16.52 | toolz | it was set to permissive |
| 22:16.53 | \amethyst | eptalon: the architecture is called amd64 because AMD's came first (intel more or less copied their design) |
| 22:16.53 | enouf | amphi: (note, i tried with{out} plugins{scripts} enabled{disabled} -- many of those make the sites non-navigatable) |
| 22:16.58 | skypce | hi guys, i need find the eof of a wmv files for made a recipe for magicrescue, can you helpme please |
| 22:17.08 | stew | elik: then i guess the answer is "becuase you are using gparted" |
| 22:17.09 | elik | stew, thought it might have been some constrains on other fs |
| 22:17.18 | enouf | amphi: many of those /when disabled/ |
| 22:17.24 | \amethyst | eptalon: (copied the instruction set architecture, that is; I'm sure they have very different microarchitectures) |
| 22:17.44 | elik | stew, fair enough :) |
| 22:17.54 | jelly-home | toolz: oh. but permissive means it just logs stuff but doesn't do anything |
| 22:18.21 | toolz | yep.. but it worked .. |
| 22:18.36 | eptalon | \amethyst: And the Pentium D definitely is a such a Processor? |
| 22:18.39 | amphi | enouf: news12.com loads fine here - I can't follow any links because it keeps asking if I'm some cable subscriber, or for money |
| 22:18.40 | skypce | have some channel where speak about mencoder or ffmpeg? |
| 22:18.44 | amphi | enouf: what a crap ;) |
| 22:18.49 | \amethyst | eptalon: yup |
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| 22:18.52 | jelly-home | skypce: #mplayer ? |
| 22:18.59 | elik | stew, but gparted is relying on parted, which is, I think, a good partition editor? there is a mess up in between? or is parted icky as well? |
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| 22:19.04 | skypce | thanks jelly-home |
| 22:19.12 | enouf | man pentium Ds are dual core, the extreme, or something isn't, but it's got the unlocked multiplier - that said, all are 64bit capable, IIRC |
| 22:19.17 | stew | elik: i don't know anything about them |
| 22:19.19 | enouf | s/man/many |
| 22:19.27 | elik | stew, or just put it this way.. what would YOU use? |
| 22:19.28 | eptalon | \amethyst: any guesses when there will be images younger than 2.6.26? (ie. 27 or 28?) |
| 22:19.39 | \amethyst | eptalon: there might be reasons to use the -686 or -686-bigmem kernel instead (for example, if you need proprietary drivers that don't work with a 64-bit kernel) |
| 22:19.39 | eptalon | (sid/experimental) |
| 22:19.52 | enouf | amphi: hahaha - i don't get that unless i try and click the wrong clickety clickees :-P |
| 22:19.58 | eptalon | \amethyst: Virtualbox? |
| 22:20.15 | eptalon | \amethyst: unlikely though, sun has done 64 bit for ages |
| 22:20.24 | \amethyst | eptalon: yeah, virtualbox is fine |
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| 22:21.05 | enouf | amphi: that said, welcome to my ISP (and cable, etc) provider :-P |
| 22:21.15 | \amethyst | eptalon: Debian packages virtualbox-ose modules for amd64 (in lenny anyway) |
| 22:21.21 | eptalon | \amethyst: given I only have 2 GB ram are there any benefits to 64 bit (compared to 32 bits)? |
| 22:21.24 | amphi | enouf: tardvision provider? |
| 22:21.45 | enouf | amphi: i pulled that plug a awhile back ;-) |
| 22:21.50 | erflynn | eptalon, bigger bus? speed? |
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| 22:21.57 | amphi | \o/ |
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| 22:22.12 | \amethyst | eptalon: it can make some code faster, but it will increase memory usage across the board |
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| 22:22.43 | eptalon | erflynn: This whole processor came across rather slow... |
| 22:22.50 | \amethyst | eptalon: and it allows you to mmap huge huge files, I guess |
| 22:23.06 | eptalon | \amethyst: the video-watching crowd? |
| 22:23.09 | erflynn | bummer, isn't everything going 64 bit nowadays? |
| 22:23.31 | \amethyst | eptalon: I guess |
| 22:23.34 | eptalon | erflynn: IIRC traffic lights still use 8086 processors.. |
| 22:23.38 | stew | erflynn: certainly not |
| 22:23.48 | mns | Why does dpkg-deb --build keep looking for a "DEBIAN/control" instead of "debian/control" ? |
| 22:23.58 | eptalon | erflynn: or rather the embedded system equivalent |
| 22:24.13 | \amethyst | mns: man dpkg-deb |
| 22:24.19 | erflynn | eptalon, i know cisco routers use i386 processors |
| 22:24.21 | stew | mns: perhaps dpkg-deb isn't used for what you are doing |
| 22:24.26 | stew | mns: what exactly are you doing? |
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| 22:25.23 | mns | stew: I'm trying to build something :) I've got a source tree which has a debian directory containing the control and rules files. I thought dpkg-deb --build would build the debian package. |
| 22:25.23 | sputnick | hi there |
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| 22:26.11 | stew | mns: no, dpkg-deb is for assembling the actual .deb after the package was built, you want to use debuild or dpkg-buildpackage or something similar |
| 22:26.22 | enouf | amphi: oh, and i love how i need to make the font size 20 before it comes out of chicken-scratch mode :-P |
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| 22:26.54 | stew | mns: part of the build process (running the targets in debian/build) would create the debian/DEBIAN directory to contain the stuff in the control portion of the .deb |
| 22:26.55 | enouf | amphi: then, i can only read 3 words at a time, because they're so big O_o |
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| 22:27.41 | amphi | enouf: set a minimum font size in the preferences |
| 22:27.47 | eptalon | erflynn: I guess it all depends on size. |
| 22:27.56 | sputnick | I try to rebuild another kernel image. I have removed old sources and tar xjf a fresh sources dir. But I only get : http://pastebin.com/d52dc1639 |
| 22:28.25 | enouf | amphi: i have, ofcourse - and i'm exaggeriting a tad ofcourse |
| 22:28.30 | mns | stew: thanks for clearing that up ... |
| 22:28.36 | enouf | er *rating |
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| 22:28.49 | erflynn | hey baby, i've got a 64 bit processor, wanna play? |
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| 22:29.39 | enouf | amphi: but in all honesty, and overall, i never even recall any dialup connection acting this dog-slow/locked/unresponsive .. but ok |
| 22:29.53 | acu | hey guys I installed apache and posted some turorials in the web - but I cannot download them - only play - what do I need to change so the files (the folders are downloade) |
| 22:29.58 | stoned | 90 tabs! |
| 22:30.05 | stoned | godddamn man |
| 22:30.18 | stoned | how do you even keep track of em? |
| 22:30.21 | enouf | amphi: you like the way the actual URL in the address bar acts ALSO as a progress bar for when loading? ... gah! |
| 22:30.24 | erflynn | acu: what? |
| 22:30.24 | stoned | I mean.. why? |
| 22:30.54 | erflynn | i haven't used dialup in 10 years |
| 22:31.11 | acu | I want to offer for download the swf files - not to be played automatically but to download them |
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| 22:31.27 | acu | erflyyn |
| 22:31.30 | enouf | amphi: possibly for those people who don't know what a status bar is? Oh, and i love how when i hover many items, the URL is hidden, etc - no choice to open in new tab upon right click, etc |
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| 22:31.53 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | I am having a problem with perl, whenever I run it as root I get the following locale error |
| 22:31.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 22:31.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 22:31.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 22:31.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | LC_ALL = (unset), |
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| 22:31.59 | enouf | amphi: (though that crap is more predominant in KonqsOut) |
| 22:32.04 | omes | acu: you can do that in the httpd.conf |
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| 22:32.18 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | :S |
| 22:32.26 | acu | omes: what do I need to change ? |
| 22:32.28 | omes | acu: you need to set it so that the .swf files are sent as a download globally or for a specific directory only |
| 22:32.43 | stew | !tell sh4d3sl4y3r_ about paste |
| 22:32.47 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: aptitude install locales |
| 22:33.48 | amphi | enouf: I do actually like that, I have the menu and status bar hidden here (low res. panel) |
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| 22:34.32 | omes | acu: you need to change the content-type settings for .swf files |
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| 22:37.03 | omes | acu: did you get it or do you need more help? |
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| 22:37.43 | enouf | amphi: ah, jolly-o chipchap ;-) |
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| 22:38.00 | acu | omes: trying to find it in apache2.conf |
| 22:38.02 | acu | not there |
| 22:38.18 | omes | acu: its in the mime settings i think |
| 22:39.27 | amphi | enouf: pardon? ;) |
| 22:39.28 | me_ | damn i cant find the qmail log folder... :( |
| 22:39.41 | enouf | amphi: ;-) |
| 22:39.42 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | stew I have the "locales" package installed. Here is the exact problem |
| 22:39.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | It happens only as root , not normal user |
| 22:40.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | for example if I run a package such as chkconfig which needs perl and administrative privilege it shoots this error |
| 22:40.41 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: set the LANG variable in the root user's environment |
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| 22:40.57 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | http://pastie.org/358246 |
| 22:41.11 | enouf | run 'locale' as root; cat /etc/environment ; cat /etc/default/locale and pastebin output |
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| 22:41.26 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
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| 22:42.34 | enouf | or .. do that - was working towards that, some weird way - sh4d3sl4y3r_ IIRC, /root dir has no default .bashrc, upon install, but you can make one, copy one over for root user - i think there's a .profile perhaps only |
| 22:42.52 | acu | omes: still not got there |
| 22:43.25 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | stew , bash: locale: command not found |
| 22:43.40 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: which locale do you want root to use? |
| 22:43.58 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:44.13 | amphi | enouf: latest git webkit seems to be limping along ok so far |
| 22:44.23 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: echo "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" >> /root/.bashrc |
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| 22:44.52 | \amethyst | sh4d3sl4y3r_: the 'locale' command should exist |
| 22:44.57 | \amethyst | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it's in package libc6 |
| 22:45.01 | \amethyst | sh4d3sl4y3r_: in /usr/bin/ |
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| 22:45.44 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | libc6 is installed, but its not there, I am using unstable |
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| 22:46.04 | enouf | i also have a LANGUAGE= set in both root and user's outputs, but i think it's an old leftover from older debian versions? |
| 22:46.24 | stew | unstable has libc6: /usr/bin/locale |
| 22:46.36 | enouf | judd: versions libc6 |
| 22:46.37 | judd | enouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-16 sid: 2.7-18 experimental: 2.9-0exp1 |
| 22:47.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | stew echo "LANG=en_US.UTF-8" >> /root/.bashrc .. leaves perl with the same error. |
| 22:47.36 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Quite a weird problem |
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| 22:47.48 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: you'd have to start a new shell for that to take effect |
| 22:47.56 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | did it obviously |
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| 22:48.40 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:49.23 | \amethyst | sh4d3sl4y3r_: maybe try reinstalling libc6 |
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| 22:49.34 | omes | acu: can i pm you? |
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| 22:49.45 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | a general question , are these flaws there cause i am using unstable? |
| 22:49.54 | enouf | ls -l /usr/bin/locale ? |
| 22:50.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | coredump:~# ls -l /usr/bin/locale |
| 22:50.33 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ls: cannot access /usr/bin/locale: No such file or directory |
| 22:50.44 | enouf | which locale ? echo $PATH ? cat /etc/profile? .. er .. maybe /etc/login.defs | grep PATH ? |
| 22:50.48 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what version of libc6 is currently installed? |
| 22:51.18 | bob0 | I read somewhere that to support more loop devices I need to add 'options loop max_loops=64' to /etc/modules.conf, but I have no /etc/modules.conf on my fs |
| 22:51.30 | bob0 | I do have /etc/modules |
| 22:51.34 | stew | bob0: use /etc/modprobe.d/ instead ; man modprobe.conf |
| 22:52.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | its 2.7 , checked in synaptic |
| 22:52.01 | acu | omes of cours |
| 22:52.01 | acu | e |
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| 22:52.01 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | should I reinstall ? |
| 22:52.15 | enouf | sh4d3sl4y3r_: that's not the full version |
| 22:52.25 | stew | sh4d3sl4y3r_: what version of the libc6 package is installed? |
| 22:52.32 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | wait |
| 22:52.32 | enouf | dpkg -l libc6 | grep ^.i |
| 22:52.33 | dpkg | ii libc6 | grep ^.i 2.7-3.3 enouf's private gamp collection |
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| 22:52.51 | acu | if no, I can will try on my own a bit harder - I did this stuff before - my memory... is full of nice memories ... :) |
| 22:53.19 | bob0 | stew: how do I see the current value for max_loops? |
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| 22:53.44 | enouf | bob0: use /etc/modprobe.d/loop |
| 22:53.57 | enouf | oh , stew gotcha |
| 22:54.08 | enouf | bob0: it's 8 |
| 22:54.19 | enouf | oh .. wait, sorry .. that's default |
| 22:55.01 | bob0 | enouf: is it safe to add /etc/modprobe.d/loop if it doesn't yet exist? |
| 22:55.13 | stew | bob0: if you've changed it from the default, i'm not sure how you'd determine what it currently is besides maybe looking in /sys/module/loop or something |
| 22:55.30 | enouf | bob0: you need "oop.max_loop=VALUE" |
| 22:55.36 | stew | oop |
| 22:55.37 | enouf | bob0: er you need "loop.max_loop=VALUE" |
| 22:56.20 | bob0 | do I put loop.max_loop=64 in a single line in /etc/modprobe.d/loop? |
| 22:56.34 | enouf | bob0: ls -l /sys/block/ |
| 22:56.51 | enouf | bob0: no, that would be the kernel option in grub say |
| 22:57.28 | jelly-home | bob0: make it "options loop max_loop=64" for a modprobe.d/ file |
| 22:57.49 | enouf | bob0: on the kernel line(s) in menu.lst - like this; |
| 22:58.09 | enouf | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdd1 ro vga=791 loop.max_loop=64 |
| 22:58.12 | bob0 | which file do I put 'options loop max_loop=64"? |
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| 22:58.22 | stew | bob0: any file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 22:58.40 | enouf | well - actually - now i forget precisely, but one of ours above will work ;-) |
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| 22:59.02 | jelly-home | bob0: any file in /etc/modprobe.d/; can be a new one. I use /etc/modprobe.d/local but that's not an absolute |
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| 22:59.08 | eptalon | heyas again. |
| 22:59.19 | eptalon | Got issues with virtualbox on 64 bit? |
| 22:59.50 | enouf | IIRC bob0 , the modprobe.d/<filename> entry is not enough - but, perhaps that was XEN kernel loading related or somehitng |
| 22:59.51 | jelly-home | eptalon: no? ask you real question |
| 22:59.51 | bob0 | do I need to update grub menu.lst _and_ /etc/modprobe.d/, or will either work? |
| 23:00.10 | stew | bob0: are you using a debian kernel? or a self-compiled kernel? |
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| 23:00.16 | enouf | try modprobe.d/ first only |
| 23:00.29 | bob0 | stew: i'm using a debian kernel |
| 23:00.33 | enouf | stew: good point -i hope it's a module ;-) |
| 23:00.37 | stew | bob0: then just /etc/modprobe.d |
| 23:00.38 | enouf | heh - attaboy |
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| 23:00.59 | enouf | ahh .. maybe that's my brainfart ... hrm |
| 23:01.22 | eptalon | jelly-home: vbox complains about the module not fitting the virtualbox version (2.1); Syslog excerpt at http://www.nopaste.org/p/aVqHEEVRO |
| 23:01.59 | bob0 | is it possible to reload loop to use the settings reading the new file I put in /etc/modprobe.d/ without rebooting? |
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| 23:02.26 | eptalon | NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) |
| 23:02.34 | enouf | bob0: yes, they are correct, you'd use my method in menu.lst IF you had LOOP=y in the kernel config, but Debian uses =m |
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| 23:03.01 | jelly-home | eptalon: I don't see anything in that output that would point to a version mismatch |
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| 23:03.08 | enouf | i think not bob0 - hrmm |
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| 23:03.18 | jelly-home | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
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| 23:03.20 | eptalon | jelly-home: I odnt either. |
| 23:03.20 | judd | jelly-home: virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 sid: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 experimental: 2.1.0-dfsg-1 |
| 23:03.46 | enouf | bob0: you could modprobe -r loop ; modprobe loop, then run /sbin/MAKEDEV to try? |
| 23:03.50 | jelly-home | eptalon: so... where do you get the "module not fitting the virtualbox version" message? |
| 23:04.06 | eptalon | jelly-home: |
| 23:04.06 | eptalon | jelly-home: The VirtualBox support driver which is running is from a different version of VirtualBox. You can correct this by stopping all running instances of VirtualBox and reinstalling the software. (VERR_VM_DRIVER_VERSION_MISMATCH). |
| 23:04.13 | enouf | bob0: editing the file in /modprobe.d/ in between the -r and loading ofcourse |
| 23:04.30 | eptalon | jelly-home: thats the error message I get when I want ot start a virtual environment |
| 23:04.31 | enouf | but ls -l /sys/block | grep loop should tell you if effective |
| 23:05.02 | enouf | heck, remove the -l |
| 23:05.21 | bob0 | FATAL: Module loop is in use |
| 23:05.27 | bob0 | is in use. |
| 23:05.34 | enouf | well, umount loop devices ;-) |
| 23:05.41 | dutchfish | hi, what is the proper debian way to shedule an one time script on the next reboot (secure)? any hints or links? |
| 23:05.56 | streuner | judd, version libbz-dev |
| 23:05.56 | judd | streuner: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 23:06.00 | enouf | dutchfish: cron @reboot? |
| 23:06.13 | enouf | dutchfish: man 5 crontab ? |
| 23:06.15 | streuner | judd, version libbz2-dev |
| 23:06.17 | judd | streuner: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 23:06.17 | dutchfish | enouf, enlighten me ... |
| 23:06.34 | streuner | judd, versions libbz2-dev |
| 23:06.35 | judd | streuner: libbz2-dev -- etch: 1.0.3-6 lenny: 1.0.5-1 sid: 1.0.5-1 |
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| 23:06.47 | jelly-home | eptalon: do the versions of virtualbox-ose and virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r) packages match? |
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| 23:07.08 | bob0 | enouf: 1) what exactly is a loop device? I'm using it because my special ssh jail setup needs it. 2) umount: /jail/foo: device is busy |
| 23:07.15 | dutchfish | enouf, it needs to run in a barebones debootstrap install |
| 23:07.23 | enouf | dutchfish: i guess you could also use the shutdown command perhaps? i'd need to check that out - also notice the reboot/halt settings in /etc/inittab (if you're really worried about security and people rebooting, i guess) |
| 23:07.24 | jelly-home | eptalon: pastebin dpkg -l virtualbox\* and modinfo vboxdrv |
| 23:07.38 | enouf | bob0: man losetup |
| 23:08.08 | dutchfish | enouf, good idee, thanks, i will |
| 23:08.14 | enouf | bob0: it's a virtual block device upon which one mounts files/images, rather than physical block devices |
| 23:08.21 | jelly-home | eptalon: it's possible you need to "m-a a-i virtualbox-ose" again |
| 23:08.23 | enouf | someone please correct that if incorrect |
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| 23:08.45 | bob0 | enouf: how do I force umount it? |
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| 23:08.53 | enouf | bob0: cd out of the dir/ ;-) |
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| 23:09.19 | enouf | bob0: use lsof and fuser to determine any residual file locks/handles ? |
| 23:09.26 | bob0 | enouf: I already am out of it |
| 23:10.07 | enouf | check output of mount and cat /proc/mounts if - or exit the chroot - depending on where and how you mounted /proc/ at all .. if you did |
| 23:10.08 | jelly-home | bob0: use lsof | grep /jail, or similar, to figure out which processes are still using that directory; "mount" or the contents of /proc/mounts to figure out if there's anything mounted underneath |
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| 23:11.12 | eptalon | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d380186d1 , http://pastebin.com/d83363ca |
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| 23:11.20 | bob0 | lsof | grep /jail returns hundreds of processes; screen, bash, etc. is there a way to kill each one? |
| 23:12.00 | dutchfish | enouf, initab did the trick, i can execute mine before sysinit kicks in, thanks again |
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| 23:12.09 | lostjournal | Question: If I can't forward ports to ssh into this box from an external network (the internet,) is there a workaround such as keeping a connection alive to a third party and tunneling through that? |
| 23:13.34 | jelly-home | eptalon: oh, you have nonfree vbox. No idea, the module info seems to match. |
| 23:13.59 | jelly-home | eptalon: try #vbox but they might not be awake at this time |
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| 23:15.56 | eptalon | jelly-home: they probably aren't. |
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| 23:16.11 | HellMind2104 | How can I use dhcp client without making my resolv.conf overwrited? |
| 23:16.29 | jelly-home | eptalon: they're usually alive at .de work wours |
| 23:16.32 | jelly-home | hours* |
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| 23:16.58 | eptalon | jelly-home: which is 9-5 CEST |
| 23:17.03 | eptalon | er CET |
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| 23:17.09 | jelly-home | yup |
| 23:17.11 | troubled | <apologies><spam>Levar Burton live on TWiT at http://live.twit.tv/ with Leo Laporte</spam></apologies> |
| 23:17.27 | enouf | dutchfish: cool |
| 23:17.41 | eptalon | jelly-home: I'll ask them tomorrow then. might check and boot into the 32 bit kernel, to see if it is a 64 bit prob. |
| 23:17.54 | eptalon | thanks anyways |
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| 23:18.48 | HellMind2104 | How can I use dhcp client without making my resolv.conf overwrited? |
| 23:19.53 | jelly-home | epsilon: oh, are you booted in 64bit kernel but a 32 bit distro? I think they don't support that (yet) |
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| 23:20.47 | streuner | HellMind2104: why not just configue the client with DNS-Server(s)? |
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| 23:21.40 | HellMind2104 | streuner : because i got better dns servers to use |
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| 23:23.15 | HellMind2104 | I must put PEERDNS=no in some file :( |
| 23:23.17 | kingsley_ | HellMind2104: Perhaps your dhcp client can be configured to not over-write resolv.conf. Its documentation should say if it can. |
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| 23:24.09 | themill | dpkg: tell HellMind2104 about fixresolvconf |
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| 23:40.30 | bob0 | enouf: I can't umount /jail/foo. nothing returns with lsof | grep jail/foo |
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| 23:40.51 | bob0 | is there a way I can forcefully "steal" a loop from /jail/foo? |
| 23:42.31 | HellMind | I got a CM and ADSL, I marked the packet from my pc to use the ADSL, and added a table to route using adsl, but doesnt work, ( Its works if I choose to route to another server), the rule that I add to my personal routing table is this: |
| 23:42.37 | jelly-home | bob0: a reboot would solve this conundrum in an alexandrian way |
| 23:42.42 | HellMind | default dev ppp0 scope link |
| 23:42.45 | carbonize | Hi, I use Debian Etch. I used Gparted to 'grow' ext3 to span entire disk by creating extended partition on extra 45 gigs that was unformatted. now when I boot into debian, it doesn't mount/recognize the extended partition |
| 23:42.58 | dutchfish | bob0, have you tried sync && sync and then umount? |
| 23:43.17 | streuner | hm, wasnt there another URL in the factoid(s) <filesystem(s)> about performance (FS)? |
| 23:43.28 | joltcan | HellMind: have a look at http://lartc.org/ |
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| 23:43.45 | joltcan | HellMind: I think there is configuration examples in there |
| 23:44.20 | HellMind | ok |
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| 23:45.39 | carbonize | how do I resolve the issue? |
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| 23:55.33 | penrod[1] | greetings, which irc channel would be best for assistance with bind ? |
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| 23:56.37 | Tramp | penrod[1]: #dns maybe? |
| 23:57.38 | penrod[1] | thanks I will give a go |
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| 23:58.12 | abrotman | there is a #bind also |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | or was .. |
| 23:58.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | a sado-maso channel? |
| 23:58.38 | penrod[1] | I haven't seen any action on the bind channel in the last 3 hours |
| 23:58.39 | jelly-home | not on this network |
| 23:58.51 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: that'd be #bondage |
| 23:59.01 | teratoma | that would be #qmail |
| 23:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | must have confused that :) |
| 23:59.12 | bittin^ | Tramp: seems to don't exist on this net |
| 23:59.34 | Tramp | bittin: #bondage? no, probabbly not |
| 23:59.47 | bittin^ | Tramp: nah :p |
| 23:59.52 | abrotman | heh .. there's a #bind9 with one person |
| 23:59.54 | bittin^ | then irc.bdsm-net.com is a better place |
