| 00:00.11 | bittin^ | abrotman: only chanserv :D |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | it has a topic... |
| 00:00.31 | bittin^ | haha yes |
| 00:00.32 | bittin^ | :D |
| 00:00.39 | Tramp | wow. Topic and a chanserv. We're at something here ... |
| 00:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what more can you ask for? |
| 00:01.01 | Tramp | now a couple of users and it will become really hot. |
| 00:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... too crowded |
| 00:01.24 | abrotman | needs some lurkers! |
| 00:01.41 | jelly-home | hmm, so there is a #bind; I wonder why xchat didn't show it in the list |
| 00:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | couple more bots would do it |
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| 00:02.14 | bittin^ | jelly-home: maybe +s or summat |
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| 00:02.43 | jelly-home | oh hai |
| 00:02.57 | bittin^ | hai |
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| 00:06.31 | suwro | hello |
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| 00:07.24 | jo4 | how can i see what programs are reserving the most memory? |
| 00:07.45 | dutchfish | is the second stage of debootstrap the install of the packages or running the hooks? |
| 00:07.59 | mmlj4 | what would make a dell flash an amber light continuously when power is plugged in to the box? |
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| 00:08.23 | dutchfish | mmlj4, dead bat |
| 00:08.32 | mavhc | wrong psu? |
| 00:08.36 | mmlj4 | as in CMOT battery? |
| 00:08.39 | mmlj4 | CMOS |
| 00:08.50 | dutchfish | mmlj4, 99% change, yes |
| 00:08.52 | mavhc | does your battery have a button and lights on the bottom? |
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| 00:09.46 | suwro1 | crap |
| 00:09.52 | dutchfish | mmlj4, but openmanagement tools could tell you |
| 00:09.53 | suwro1 | other nick hanged |
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| 00:10.24 | suwro1 | back to my question? anyone? download on eth upload on wireless ? |
| 00:10.33 | suwro1 | how is the method called? |
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| 00:10.53 | CrazY-GeeK_ | hi |
| 00:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmlj4, hmm, wazzup with my battery? |
| 00:11.02 | suwro1 | I have 2 providers for a short time of period - 1 month - I want to download from one and upload to another. |
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| 00:11.36 | suwro1 | it must be possible - since there's DSB device that can't upload and use this method. |
| 00:11.46 | dutchfish | suwro, you mean an asynchronous satelite connection? |
| 00:11.53 | suwro1 | like that |
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| 00:12.10 | suwro1 | dutchfish: can't be done without satelite ? :) |
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| 00:12.28 | dutchfish | suwro, i dunno, i gues so |
| 00:12.29 | suwro1 | like I have a 3.5GSM and an ADSL connection |
| 00:12.51 | suwro1 | I'll digg for async. routing |
| 00:12.56 | mmlj4 | CutMeOwnThroat: all I did was remove it, then put it back in... no matter, I've got a replacement somewhere around here |
| 00:13.02 | HellMind2104 | If i create custom ip route tables where I should save them?, I will lost them after a reboot? |
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| 00:13.33 | dutchfish | suwro, at the top of my head you need the other and to work along |
| 00:13.42 | mmlj4 | HellMind2104: there's probably a "right" place to put such, but I'd dump them in a script and put them in /etc/rc.local |
| 00:13.52 | stoned | http://stoned.pastebin.com/d4b2278c4 <-- what is the problem here? |
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| 00:14.02 | stoned | i can't save to a file |
| 00:14.15 | suwro1 | coz you-re stoned :) |
| 00:14.24 | dutchfish | suwro, its basically a split ppp |
| 00:14.49 | suwro1 | hmm |
| 00:15.13 | suwro1 | dutchfish: do you know where can I find documentation for this? |
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| 00:15.38 | dutchfish | suwro, well google on the satelite/landline connections |
| 00:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmlj4, you were talking about a CMOT |
| 00:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmlj4, you were talking about a CMOT (<- that's me) battery... |
| 00:16.06 | stoned | oh woooops |
| 00:16.45 | mmlj4 | CMOS |
| 00:16.45 | stoned | this not #php |
| 00:16.45 | stoned | oh good lord |
| 00:16.45 | mmlj4 | stoned: heh |
| 00:16.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | stoned, yes my son? |
| 00:16.45 | dutchfish | Cueball, ah |
| 00:16.45 | dutchfish | oops |
| 00:16.45 | mmlj4 | ah, ok, got it |
| 00:17.14 | dutchfish | is the second stage of debootstrap the install of the packages or running the hooks? |
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| 00:19.48 | to_ | Hi, I'm on debian etch, and I'd like to backport the 'transmission' package (version 1.40-5), what is the steps to do it? |
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| 00:20.26 | themill | not another one :( |
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| 00:23.07 | HellMind2104 | can I change the Table_id on ip rule? |
| 00:23.46 | jo4 | (/c |
| 00:23.48 | jo4 | hmm |
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| 00:25.34 | to_ | !backport |
| 00:25.34 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 00:27.38 | MikeH | Evening guys, I'm trying to use ssh fs with "sshfs -o idmap=user mike@emagine-internet.co.uk:/home/mike/ mikeh" however, I keep getting permission errors, even though the files in question are world writable |
| 00:27.56 | MikeH | I read something about idmap=user fixing different uid's, however, it doesn't seem to hve? |
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| 00:30.44 | marinosi | hey.Does anyone remember how can I see to which repo a package belongs? |
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| 00:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | not easily |
| 00:32.06 | dutchfish | HellMind2104, dpkg -p foo ? |
| 00:32.25 | marinosi | CutMeOwnThroat: this is for me? |
| 00:32.31 | dutchfish | oops |
| 00:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 00:32.47 | dutchfish | marinosi, dpkg -p foo ? |
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| 00:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes of course it's trivial... e.g. when the package is called something-etch-something |
| 00:33.20 | HellMind2104 | ? |
| 00:33.53 | dutchfish | HellMind2104, sorry |
| 00:34.09 | HellMind2104 | I want to put a ip rule after the main rule but before the default gw rules! |
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| 00:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but afaik packages go unchanged from unstable to testing - so it'd even be possible for you to install the same package from two different repros |
| 00:35.01 | dutchfish | HellMind2104, you cant change order but you can ip rule show > dump.txt and use that after deleting the rule ie add it again |
| 00:35.09 | rainy-day | Hi, I have Sarge (3.1) Arm platform, and when I run any dpkg command, it works for a few seconds and then prints 'Terminated' and exits. |
| 00:35.21 | marinosi | dutchfish: dpkg -p does not says the repo |
| 00:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell marinosi -about snapshot |
| 00:35.46 | marinosi | ok guys |
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| 00:35.49 | marinosi | I found it |
| 00:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | marinosi, guess up to a point you can compare to the versions there? There was some other trick... to get a guess |
| 00:35.52 | marinosi | it's easy |
| 00:36.04 | marinosi | apt-cache madison <pkg> |
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| 00:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | marinosi, as I said - a package can migrate unchanged from sid to testing... |
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| 00:38.05 | dustybin | i just installed apt-get squirrelmail onto a fresh brand new untouched debian lenny vm |
| 00:38.16 | dustybin | i created a link: ln -s /usr/share/squirrelmail /var/www/squirrelmail |
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| 00:38.40 | dustybin | however, when i try and access: mynetwork.net/squirrelmail |
| 00:38.53 | dustybin | it trys to download a php, as if php isnt installed, but it is! |
| 00:39.40 | dustybin | i have these installed |
| 00:39.41 | dustybin | ii libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module |
| 00:39.44 | dustybin | ii php5-common 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 Common files for packages built from the php5 source |
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| 00:39.55 | abrotman | dustybin: you sohuld read the squirrelmail README |
| 00:40.14 | dustybin | oh ok frank :D |
| 00:40.15 | chrisn2323 | i get his error during the install PCI: Not using MMCONFIG PCI, please help me |
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| 00:41.04 | dustybin | abrotman: there is no README inside /usr/share/squirrelmail |
| 00:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l squirrlemail |grep README |
| 00:41.48 | dpkg | ii squirrlemail |grep README 1.2-4 cutmeownthroat's private porn collection |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/<foo>/ where all the rest are |
| 00:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 00:41.54 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 00:41.58 | aidan | msttcorefonts doesn't contain Arial Unicode MS |
| 00:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, damn you, then |
| 00:42.01 | dpkg | sends you, then to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers. |
| 00:42.08 | aidan | Anyone know where I can get this font? |
| 00:42.54 | zinx | aidan: the internet |
| 00:43.02 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> i get his error during the install PCI: Not using MMCONFIG PCI, please help me |
| 00:43.13 | dustybin | dam i thought 'more' could read a .gz README.Debian.gz |
| 00:43.20 | zinx | aidan: it's not packaged afaik. |
| 00:43.27 | simonrvn | dpkg is a mouthy foqer |
| 00:43.27 | dpkg | simonrvn: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:43.40 | simonrvn | dpkg: no so long ago |
| 00:43.40 | dpkg | simonrvn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:43.48 | themill | burnt by the bot... |
| 00:44.47 | themill | dustybin: less can.... (with LESSOPEN) |
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| 00:46.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | chrisn2323, whaddaya say about http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=+PCI%3A+Not+using+MMCONFIG+PCI ----> e.g. http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/linux.redhat/2007-03/msg00138.html |
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| 00:46.26 | zmitya | hi all |
| 00:46.32 | zmitya | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.50 | zmitya | if not, I will kill myself :( |
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| 00:47.21 | aidan | zinx: I've googled everywhere |
| 00:47.36 | abrotman | zmitya: give examples |
| 00:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | in this case ... we can't answer that without a lawyer |
| 00:47.58 | zinx | aidan: did you try googling for "Arial Unicode MS"? |
| 00:48.30 | dutchfish | zmitya, If you set smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname, then you will always have to submit the REALM that equals $myhostname when you pass the username to SASL. |
| 00:48.57 | aidan | zinx: have you? :) |
| 00:49.00 | themill | aidan: how do you figure that? |
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| 00:49.37 | HellMind | How can configure dhcp client & pppoeclient to add the default route to a different table ? |
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| 00:50.10 | zmitya | abrotman: here is an example: http://paste.debian.net/25774/ |
| 00:50.23 | zmitya | dutchfish: wooooooooow, thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:50.33 | dutchfish | zmitya, yw ;) |
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| 00:50.42 | wea0 | I installed NTFS-3g. When I connect an USB drive then I can just open it in KDE and it works. But NTFS partitions on my SATA disks are not mounted automatically. |
| 00:50.44 | wea0 | Can I change this so that all NTFS partitions get mounted automatically or will I have to create a fstab line for every partition that is on a SATA drive? (I'm on Lenny) |
| 00:50.49 | chrisn2323 | CutMeOwnThroat, i've done that not too long ago |
| 00:50.58 | abrotman | thinks that paste doesn't make sense |
| 00:50.58 | zinx | aidan: the font is copyrighted by microsoft, and they do not offer it as a free download. |
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| 00:51.02 | dustybin | ive read the README, and changed a few things, restarted apache, when i enter the squirrelmail web address, it still downloads the index.php file instead of executing it |
| 00:51.11 | zinx | aidan: since that wasn't enough of a hint before D: |
| 00:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | aidan, well, if you have, you found this: http://www.orwell.ru/test/download/ascender |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | dustybin: clear your browser cache, restart browser, try again |
| 00:51.16 | zmitya | dutchfish: will it put the domain if the username is in user@domain format as well ? |
| 00:51.24 | dustybin | abrotman: ok frank |
| 00:51.41 | aidan | zinx: yes, I see that, as are the rest of the msst fonts though |
| 00:51.56 | dutchfish | zmitya, not sure about that because i use the REALM format |
| 00:52.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | aidan, you can buy it from the Ascender Corporation, it seems. |
| 00:52.09 | dustybin | abrotman: that worked!!! you clever sod :P |
| 00:52.18 | zmitya | abrotman: yes, you are right , that paste is wrong |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | zmitya: just making sure i'm not crazy :) |
| 00:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, but you are! |
| 00:53.14 | zmitya | abrotman: here is the right one: http://paste.debian.net/25776/ |
| 00:53.18 | dutchfish | !coffee abrotman |
| 00:53.18 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of fair trade Colombian for abrotman, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 00:53.31 | abrotman | thinks that's the same paste |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 00:53.42 | kunwon1 | ooh, fair trade |
| 00:53.43 | zmitya | well, this is the same :DDDDD |
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| 00:53.52 | abrotman | zmitya: but you got your answer ? |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | dutchfish: keep telling you i'm allergic to that stuf |
| 00:54.03 | abrotman | stuff |
| 00:54.21 | kunwon1 | abrotman, allergic to coffee? really? i'm sorry |
| 00:54.28 | zmitya | abrotman: I think, but lets see the "test" word at the beginning of the 3rd line !! |
| 00:54.29 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, i will no longer torture you ;) |
| 00:54.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or allergic to fair trade? |
| 00:54.43 | abrotman | kunwon1: not really .. i just can't stand it :) |
| 00:54.59 | kunwon1 | abrotman, blasphemy! :D |
| 00:55.02 | zmitya | abrotman: so that is what I'm saying... test -> test@tool !! |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | zmitya: try what dutchfish said |
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| 00:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | coffee? |
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| 00:56.17 | zmitya | dutchfish: what is REALM format ? it is user@domain format ? |
| 00:56.44 | zmitya | well, actually I need both :) |
| 00:57.01 | zmitya | I moved users from a server to mine... |
| 00:57.23 | zmitya | I had user@domain format, and I got simple "user" s |
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| 00:57.38 | dutchfish | zmitya, if you set smtpd_sasl_local_domain = (so empty, you can omit the REALM) |
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| 00:57.49 | zmitya | so going to read about this smtpd_sasl_local_domain |
| 00:57.59 | zmitya | dutchfish: yes, I will try that |
| 00:58.10 | dutchfish | zmitya, http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/sasldb_configuration.html |
| 00:58.26 | dutchfish | zmitya, asuming you want it with postfix |
| 00:58.32 | zmitya | dutchfish: yes |
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| 01:00.38 | dutchfish | is the second stage of debootstrap the install of the packages or running the hooks? i dont grasp the second stage .... |
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| 01:01.30 | dutchfish | i need it for a push-install |
| 01:01.44 | heatman | hello. Could someone help me configure the new apache2 port.conf which is contained in Lenny since it look nothing like the old file! Or could someone point me to the right documentation? |
| 01:01.46 | zmitya | dutchfish: works !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:01.52 | zmitya | thanks :)))))))))))))) |
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| 01:01.56 | dutchfish | zmitya, yw |
| 01:02.15 | zmitya | works with user@doman and simple "user" format |
| 01:02.53 | zmitya | just gave "smtpd_sasl_local_domain = tool" and it does not put "too" behind a user@domain format |
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| 01:07.23 | sshc | what is the difference between useradd and adduser? |
| 01:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't the net split especially beautiful today? |
| 01:07.24 | cads | Hello |
| 01:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sshc, compare manpages? they do do similar things |
| 01:09.28 | nullboy | sshc don't just spam in every channel you're in |
| 01:11.00 | cads | I've got a few programs that I've built myself from source, ruby and ruby gems, the haskell compiler and its Cabal.. I've got them sitting in a directory and I have to explicitly navigate to there to use them, so I was wondering. How hard would it be to package their sources up and build them into properly installing debs? I'd need to learn some of the conventions, but I think I'd feel a lot better about knowing where all the files go and h |
| 01:11.00 | cads | aving everything properly integrated. Where do you guys suggest searching for a good guide for this? |
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| 01:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, for just (unproper) debs you could use checkinstall ( /msg dpkg checkinstall ) |
| 01:12.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, if you want to keep them as non-packages, I would suggest stow to install them in /usr/local and keep them organized |
| 01:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | cads, if you really want to package the things "properly", /msg dpkg mg |
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| 01:13.59 | chrisn2323 | i get this error during the install PCI: Not using MMCONFIG PCI, please help me |
| 01:14.04 | cads | I think I'd like at least a better management discipline, and feel going to the trouble to package them could save me time in the end |
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| 01:14.20 | cads | thanks CutME |
| 01:14.25 | cads | Me*\ |
| 01:14.27 | penrod[1] | greetings, I am rebuilding a server that was hacked, what would be the easiest way to setup ~200 accounts ? |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | can you trust the passwords for all 200 accounts? |
| 01:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | penrod[1], copy them? :) |
| 01:14.53 | chrisn2323 | a for loop |
| 01:14.56 | chrisn2323 | i get this error during the install PCI: Not using MMCONFIG PCI, please help me |
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| 01:15.30 | penrod[1] | abrotman : good question |
| 01:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't say secure :) |
| 01:16.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I didn't say copy the shadow file... just /etc/passwd, then let people get a new password |
| 01:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | \ |
| 01:16.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | +{-oi\] |
| 01:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 01:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | penrod[1], are you planning to keep the home directories? |
| 01:18.30 | penrod[1] | Cutmeownthroat: yes |
| 01:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that server has mail, there could possibly be a backdoor using .forward / .procmailrc or somesuch |
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| 01:20.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | just imagine echo '|grep secretpassword | sed s/secretpassword// | bash ' > .forward #didn't try if this works, but .forward can forward into pipes |
| 01:20.41 | craigevil-eee | chrisn2323: that error isnt anything important, you can get rid of it by adding pci=nommconf to your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:20.50 | chrisn2323 | thanks |
| 01:21.24 | penrod[1] | cutmeownthroat: I could look through all the .forward files and see if the date stamp has changed, that would work wouldn't it ? |
| 01:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | penrod[1], sure (btw. use tab to autocomplete my nick) but then, this was just one random example that I could come up with within 30 seconds... |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | uhm .. why would that work ? |
| 01:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I'm saying is, there are probably a lot more things like .forward |
| 01:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, wouldn't it? ... as I said, didn't try it |
| 01:23.14 | penrod[1] | CuTMeOwnThroat: I will just get the latest backup prior to the compromise. |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | are they interactive accounts? |
| 01:24.38 | penrod[1] | abrotman: interactive ? |
| 01:24.40 | wea0 | I installed NTFS-3g. When I connect an USB drive then I can just open it in KDE and it works. But NTFS partitions on my SATA disks are not mounted automatically. |
| 01:24.42 | wea0 | Can I change this so that all NTFS partitions get mounted automatically or will I have to create a fstab line for every partition that is on a SATA drive? (I'm on Lenny) |
| 01:25.10 | dutchfish | !autofs |
| 01:25.10 | dpkg | autofs is a kernel-based automounter that mounts remote shares when directories are accessed. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127. Some regard it as a hackish p.o.s. and the 5 minute default timeout for unmounting is unlikely to be what you want. If you are looking for hotplugging support for usb storage, then ask me about <automount> instead. |
| 01:26.30 | abrotman | penrod[1]: accounts people use |
| 01:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, so why wouldn't this work? If the multiple pipes worry you, they could be replaced by a single pipe to a script in ~/bin |
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| 01:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | penrod[1], I guess a backup from before the compromise would work if you know the exact time |
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| 01:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | apropos tab... do we need the first bit(s) of the tab factoid? |
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| 01:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | wea0, I'd think fstab is more appropriate for a static drive... might be possible to get whatever type of automount you use to recognize them also (but that definitely depends on the exact automounter used) |
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| 01:37.26 | Jorophose | it works it works! thanks everyone who put up with my crap =3 |
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| 01:37.46 | Jorophose | just how do I change the resolution for gdm?... |
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| 01:38.07 | simplechat | hey, are there packages for dockapps? |
| 01:38.13 | simplechat | in the lenny repositories? |
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| 01:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell simplechat -about search |
| 01:39.30 | x1250 | how can I check the changelog for roundcube (etch-backports), aptitude changelog roundcube results in: <<<< E: roundcube is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog. >>>> And I don't find the changelog in http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/roundcube |
| 01:39.50 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, i tried to search, but i didn't find anything |
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| 01:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache search dockapps" ? |
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| 01:42.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Jorophose -about drxx |
| 01:43.16 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, theres nothing there |
| 01:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, amazing... |
| 01:43.44 | simplechat | not really |
| 01:43.45 | Jorophose | CutMeOwnThroat: so xrandr can change GDM's resolution? cool! I love XRandR, it's extremely useful for laptops... |
| 01:43.54 | simplechat | my issue is where would i find them? |
| 01:44.02 | Jorophose | (I'm using lenny with xfce4) |
| 01:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jorophose, if you manage to run it early enough... there is no "gdm resolution" as such - it's all just the resolution the X server makes |
| 01:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, I'm just looking in which repositories the hits are - you could perhaps pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:45.20 | Jorophose | ahh, then I've got a wee bit of a problem, Xorg likes a really eye-straining resolution. would xrandr "fix" this for all users? |
| 01:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, how many hits do you get for that search ... none at all? |
| 01:45.46 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, just as a question, are ther any good pastebin programs? |
| 01:46.01 | simplechat | i get 10 hits, but none are actually what i want |
| 01:46.18 | Jorophose | pastebin.com is the one I've been using |
| 01:46.35 | Jorophose | or were you looking to run your own pastebin?... |
| 01:46.36 | spline | there are a few links on code.google.com/github for pastebin things |
| 01:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, ah, ok... I'm getting 11 :) so that's ok - there is pastebinit... |
| 01:46.46 | spline | not sure if they are the same appearing in normal apt repos |
| 01:47.02 | Jorophose | d'ohs at not paying attention |
| 01:47.19 | simplechat | yeah :( |
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| 01:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, if those are not what you want, I probably just don't understand what you want... not so surprising, I don't think I'm using any of those things :) |
| 01:48.04 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, atm i'm running a rather stripped down debian machine |
| 01:48.14 | simplechat | and i need things like a battery manager/etc. which i've seen come in the form of desktop applets |
| 01:48.24 | simplechat | now there are lots around, i'm just looking for some that are packaged |
| 01:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | wmbattery for battery useage |
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| 01:49.39 | dutchfish | is echo respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 > /etc/inittab enough to get serial console access to a debootstrapped box? (i removed the tty[1-6]), after the 2nd stage? |
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| 01:49.52 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, thats sweet |
| 01:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | xosview for system stats... but I dunno if that "docks" I don't have anything on my desktop that things could dock to, so I wouldn't know (and xosview looks too big) |
| 01:50.11 | craigevil-eee | conky |
| 01:50.14 | spline | there's a few gnome apps/many others to do stats |
| 01:50.15 | spline | conky |
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| 01:50.22 | spline | yeap right on the desktop (my fav) |
| 01:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's about the only things I've ever used... so if you need different things, then probably someone else knows better :) |
| 01:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | spline, yeah, I know there are many... haven't used any, though |
| 01:51.08 | craigevil-eee | simplechat: you might take a look at lxde it is light |
| 01:51.29 | simplechat | lxde? |
| 01:51.42 | spline | I wind up with conky for most stats since you can make it integrate well/look nice; it also reminds me of geektool in osx |
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| 01:52.04 | craigevil-eee | lightweight de that uses openbox wm |
| 01:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, I think if your WM doesn't provide, best is to just search for each app seperately - e.g. "apt-cache search battery status" |
| 01:52.31 | simplechat | ah, ok |
| 01:52.48 | simplechat | also, i'm wondering why my debian install doesn't automatically recognise disks when there inserted |
| 01:52.59 | simplechat | i manged to find a device and add it to my fstab, but i'm pretty sure theres another way |
| 01:53.06 | simplechat | any suggestions? |
| 01:53.11 | x1250 | how is security for roundcube's in etch-backports? I checked the changelog and it has only a few security patches, none is recent. I ask because I was hacked using the vanilla version, just because I forgot to upgrade. I thought using debian's version would had prevented this, since I only need to do an aptitude upgrade. But reading the changelog makes me wonder. Any comments? |
| 01:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what type of disk |
| 01:54.03 | spline | I haven't used roundcube in a bit. xl: for most of any web program, php or not, I tend to just co trunk or use whatever the latest is since its easier to keep up that way (sometimes) than run the actual port |
| 01:54.21 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, sd card |
| 01:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | x1250, /msg dpkg backports caveat |
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| 01:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, hmm... check dmesg if it's recognized at all, I have one laptop which seems to use hardware that is not recognized at all (and probably never will be considering the age of the laptop).... oh, you say you could mount it in the end |
| 01:56.01 | x1250 | spline, that is too much work. I do it for some packages, but on my desktop. CutMeOwnThroat thanks. |
| 01:56.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, well, in that case, look at usbmount in etch - seems to be gone in lenny, I'm just checking what happened to it |
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| 01:56.11 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, i could find the device |
| 01:56.15 | craigevil-eee | simplechat: or ivman |
| 01:56.15 | simplechat | and i could mount it by myself |
| 01:56.19 | simplechat | it just didn't automount |
| 01:56.22 | simplechat | ivman? |
| 01:56.48 | craigevil-eee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.50 | craigevil-eee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.24 | spline | roundcube is pretty easy to setup, though. it is not like something huge. that is the only reason I run it alone normally |
| 01:57.29 | spline | easier to setup than squirrelmail |
| 01:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | x1250, so if you're using backports, you're on your own making sure security updates come in in a timely manner... |
| 01:57.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions usbmount |
| 01:57.46 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: usbmount -- etch: 0.0.14.1 lenny: 0.0.14.1 sid: 0.0.16 |
| 01:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it IS in lenny, albeit in the same version as in etch... how weird |
| 01:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, there's other automounters - I use usbmount for mounting usb-sticks (I think sd cards also work as if they were usb.. not 100% sure) and pmount/pumount to unmount them |
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| 01:59.08 | simplechat | hmmm, ok |
| 01:59.12 | simplechat | spline, whats roundcube? |
| 01:59.20 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, i'll see if it works :) |
| 01:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache search automount" for the others, I guess |
| 01:59.27 | spline | its a newer breed of webmail programs. good interface |
| 01:59.28 | x1250 | CutMeOwnThroat, sure. I guess I'll try to keep up with the vanilla version till lenny is released. I see roundcube exists only in etch-backports now. |
| 01:59.28 | simplechat | because yeah, 4 gigs of flash isn't much |
| 01:59.48 | craigevil-eee | simplechat: using a eee? |
| 01:59.49 | spline | I used to run webmail for a group but now everything is google so I haven't touched it in a year or so |
| 01:59.58 | simplechat | craigevil-eee, yep |
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| 02:00.07 | toolz | what mailserver do you recommend me to install? |
| 02:00.19 | valdyn | toolz: the default |
| 02:00.23 | craigevil-eee | i have lxde and some kde apps on my 701, only using 1.g |
| 02:00.25 | toolz | which is? |
| 02:00.31 | valdyn | toolz: it should already be installed |
| 02:00.33 | valdyn | toolz: exim4 |
| 02:00.35 | craigevil-eee | 1.7g |
| 02:01.18 | toolz | valdyn it isnt running |
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| 02:01.54 | valdyn | toolz: how do you know? |
| 02:02.07 | toolz | I did ps aux and I see no process for exim4 |
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| 02:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's no proof |
| 02:02.20 | valdyn | toolz: and you have no cron either? |
| 02:02.45 | liable | toolz: ah, you got installed? |
| 02:02.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could run via inetd |
| 02:02.47 | dustybin | does debian ship with a tool what can convert a password into a format what can be used to test a mail server with telnet? |
| 02:02.53 | toolz | liable, YES!! |
| 02:02.53 | toolz | :D |
| 02:02.58 | liable | cool |
| 02:03.02 | valdyn | toolz: dpkg -l exim4; dpkg -l cron |
| 02:03.02 | spline | mine never installs it and I wind up just using postfix with the gmail-only config (depends on the box) |
| 02:03.09 | toolz | liable: Linux mars.hostingbit.com 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 09:37:57 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:03.12 | toolz | this is what I installed :D |
| 02:03.17 | liable | toolz: :) |
| 02:03.29 | toolz | works fine |
| 02:03.31 | toolz | :P |
| 02:03.35 | toolz | ok |
| 02:03.52 | toolz | ii exim4 4.63-17 metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation |
| 02:04.09 | toolz | ii cron 3.0pl1-100 management of regular background processing |
| 02:04.12 | toolz | mrr ugly lines |
| 02:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | toolz, grep exim /etc/inetd.conf |
| 02:04.52 | toolz | CutMeOwnThroat nothing in |
| 02:04.56 | valdyn | toolz: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, then /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
| 02:05.15 | x1250 | toolz, are you building a hosting box? |
| 02:05.19 | toolz | no |
| 02:05.27 | toolz | I just want it to send e-mails thats all |
| 02:05.33 | x1250 | oh |
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| 02:05.58 | valdyn | toolz: really, you probably dont want to send emails with that mailserver of yours |
| 02:06.06 | valdyn | toolz: but with your mua |
| 02:06.12 | toolz | I dont understand |
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| 02:06.20 | x1250 | mua? |
| 02:06.29 | valdyn | !mua |
| 02:06.29 | dpkg | it has been said that mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 02:06.44 | toolz | The Debian exim4 packages can either use "unsplit configuration", a single monolithic file (/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template) or - |
| 02:06.44 | toolz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.47 | toolz | err |
| 02:06.57 | toolz | should I pick split configuration or no? |
| 02:07.04 | simplechat | hmmmm. |
| 02:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on your taste |
| 02:07.12 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, wmbattery is giving me really wierd values |
| 02:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug*... I like a single file better |
| 02:07.22 | toolz | the easyest way of get it runnning fine |
| 02:07.32 | valdyn | toolz: unsplit is a little easier to deal with but you dont want to deal with either, and you dont need to |
| 02:07.36 | simplechat | like its saying that i hvave 3 minutes left on my battery |
| 02:07.39 | simplechat | which runs for hours |
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| 02:08.03 | toolz | valdyn, ok. local delivery only; not on a network |
| 02:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | simplechat, it's just telling you what acpi says... |
| 02:08.19 | valdyn | toolz: yes thats what you should do |
| 02:08.25 | simonrvn | persoanlly i hate split config. they're split up too small for my taste. |
| 02:08.34 | simplechat | CutMeOwnThroat, the other battery meters were running fine |
| 02:08.37 | rking | if `free -m` shows 939 total megs, and I know the computer should have several gigs of ram, what's the first place to start tinkering? |
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| 02:09.00 | toolz | valdyn should I let localhost? at the ip? |
| 02:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it's definitely easier to not have to jump between files... also searching is easier from within your editor |
| 02:09.21 | valdyn | rking: replacing the kernel |
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| 02:10.00 | rking | valdyn: the debian kernels are limited to 1GB? |
| 02:10.12 | valdyn | rking: did i say that? |
| 02:10.50 | rking | valdyn: hrm.. I'm using a stock kernel, and if I have to replace that, ... what am I missing? |
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| 02:11.04 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: yeh, those were my main problems; i have a partially split one now. i've mostly settled it to something that works (mostly, heh; never happy, always tweaking ;p). |
| 02:11.07 | toolz | 100 6405 0.0 0.0 5312 972 ? Ss 04:10 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 02:11.09 | toolz | running now |
| 02:11.19 | valdyn | rking: yes, you are using a stock kernel, replace it with a stock kernel that is not -486 |
| 02:11.37 | rking | valdyn: hrm.. |
| 02:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, apache started out with 3 files a long time ago... which I concatenated... until apache themselves started shipping a single config :) now I see that in Debian, it's still three different files... *shrug* seems to depend on your taste... but I hate having to switch files and having to find out which one it is before editing |
| 02:12.50 | rking | valdyn: I have two computers, one is AMD64 with 3GB, running 2.6.26-1-amd64 (uname -r), and the other is Dual Intel with 2Gb running 2.6.26-1-686; neither show more than 1Gb total in free -m |
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| 02:13.33 | simonrvn | that's the annoying part, but it was getting too big to manage in one window ;p |
| 02:13.33 | valdyn | rking: thats pretty weird |
| 02:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it doesn't really matter if you don't need to change things a lot - I mostly keep the default files now, because they're sufficient for the little stuff I need |
| 02:14.02 | simonrvn | i run daemon-heavy; part of my routing and such is done in ldap |
| 02:14.12 | valdyn | rking: especially since its 2 totally different systems |
| 02:14.48 | valdyn | rking: does your bios see the full amount on both? |
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| 02:14.57 | rking | valdyn: that's a good question... I'm about to check. |
| 02:15.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | rking, are you calculating free mem = 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'? |
| 02:15.43 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: quite true, though having certain things modular is nice, if you just need to add something, or edit one little thing. |
| 02:15.53 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: just 'total' |
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| 02:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but total = 'used' + 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'? |
| 02:17.32 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: total = total amount of ram |
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| 02:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's what I said |
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| 02:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so he wasn;t actually talking about the amount of free memory, what I thought he did |
| 02:18.45 | rking | I'll toy around with it... thanks for the guidance. |
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| 02:19.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | gone in a blink |
| 02:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... after I finally understood what he really asked :) |
| 02:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny |
| 02:20.47 | Meta | When my net drops out, I have to re-enter the ESSID... what I'd like is for it to auto-reconnect when the net drops out. |
| 02:21.20 | Meta | See, I'm trying to retrieve a back up over wireless |
| 02:21.30 | Meta | And collisions are happening which are making it drop out |
| 02:22.02 | simonrvn | fix collisions, fix drop outs ;) |
| 02:22.20 | Meta | But there is no way to. ;) |
| 02:22.33 | Meta | This is why I would like it to auto-reconnect. |
| 02:23.07 | Meta | iwconfig wlan0 essid "BLAH" reconnects the net and I don't have to enter my password, I'd like to run that command every time the connectivity drops |
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| 02:24.51 | simonrvn | i'd say script it, then stick it in somewhere in /etc/network possibly |
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| 02:25.16 | Meta | That's what I'd need help with, scripting it |
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| 02:25.49 | memnon | well, why does it drop? |
| 02:25.57 | memnon | in the first place... |
| 02:26.18 | Meta | It only occurs while I'm trying to get my back up |
| 02:26.40 | Meta | So once my restore is done, it shouldn't cause too many problems |
| 02:26.49 | Meta | But I've probably still got around 30GB of data |
| 02:26.53 | Meta | To go |
| 02:26.58 | simonrvn | ah, ok. i bet it's getting saturated or something related. |
| 02:27.20 | Meta | Yeah |
| 02:27.41 | Meta | But no one else on the network is experiencing lag. |
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| 02:28.01 | Meta | So I'm guessing my connection is ad hoc to the server |
| 02:29.25 | Meta | Sad that I don't even know how my own server works. |
| 02:29.32 | Meta | sighs and puts her head on the desk. |
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| 02:30.28 | Meta | Meh, I'll be back later. |
| 02:31.18 | mngrif | a wired connection isn't possible? |
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| 02:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Meta, would it help to use something like trickle to limit bandwidth? |
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| 02:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess it would be preferable if it wouldn't drop out in the 1st place :) |
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| 02:36.56 | sebas8911 | hello folks! |
| 02:37.30 | anewbie | hi there i have problems with mounting an fat32 partition |
| 02:37.40 | anewbie | can some one give me a hand http://pastebin.com/m38ebc8b3 |
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| 02:39.07 | sebas8911 | I use debian lenny on ppc, in X with the keyboard map in en_us, when I press space bar, I get this weird thing... Ã |
| 02:39.52 | sebas8911 | but when map in fr_ca, it works fine. |
| 02:40.44 | Trikster | I am having a problem with my www dir.. I have lighttpd.conf configured to have the default dir as /var/www/html/, but it is showing all files as a 404.. Any suggestions? |
| 02:41.28 | kunwon1 | anewbie, are you sure it's a fat32 partition? |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | check the lighttpd error logs |
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| 02:41.39 | anewbie | kunwon1, yes |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | anewbie: uname -a |
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| 02:42.14 | Trikster | abrotman, was that directed to me? |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | Trikster: yes |
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| 02:42.49 | _2 | presuming one wanted to push the envolope a little, does debian support encription of the boot device ? |
| 02:42.53 | x1250 | why ulimit doesn't have a man page? |
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| 02:43.19 | _2 | x1250 it's abash builtin |
| 02:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, people have done it... |
| 02:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2 and come here to ask questions about it :) |
| 02:43.56 | x1250 | _2, oh |
| 02:44.00 | Trikster | abrotman, it is about 300kb of saying that a pipe is borken. |
| 02:44.02 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat really ? probably not what i have in mind |
| 02:44.33 | Trikster | It says: 2009-01-10 07:02:00: (mod_rrdtool.c.225) rrdtool-write: failed Broken pipe |
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| 02:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, it's possible is what I'm saying... but it's of course not making anything simpler than it is :) |
| 02:45.33 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat i have root=/dev/hda and was wondering if there was any chance that it could be encripted and still usable. (some say having root=/dev/hda is not possable ;/ ) |
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| 02:47.27 | simonrvn | encrypted root? you need an initrd in that case. |
| 02:47.42 | simonrvn | and probably a separate /boot |
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| 02:47.52 | _2 | simonrvn an initrd on the encripted root ? |
| 02:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 , I guess |
| 02:48.08 | simonrvn | to load the encrypted / |
| 02:48.38 | _2 | simonrvn 0 partitions. root on /dev/hda with full disk encription possable ? |
| 02:48.49 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat looking |
| 02:49.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, mmm... I thought he's talking about encrypted root, seems not to any major extent |
| 02:50.31 | valdyn | _2: the crypted hda would not be the parameter for the kernel |
| 02:50.38 | simonrvn | gets a coffee |
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| 02:51.26 | memnon | !coffee |
| 02:51.26 | dpkg | methinks coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes |
| 02:52.06 | _2 | valdyn sir ? |
| 02:52.13 | Trikster | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | with what? |
| 02:52.54 | Trikster | My log says: 2009-01-10 07:02:00: (mod_rrdtool.c.225) rrdtool-write: failed Broken pipe |
| 02:52.54 | simonrvn | _2: do some reading on the issue, you'll have a greater understanding. |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | oh, no, i don't use lighttpd .. but sounds like something isn't installed/configured correctly .. does it work non-php pages ? |
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| 02:53.07 | techsupport | how can i downgrade my perl version ? |
| 02:53.08 | abrotman | oh .. that's not PHP .. |
| 02:53.14 | Trikster | It works with no pages. |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | techsupport: from what to what? and which version of debian ? |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | Trikster: not static either ? |
| 02:53.41 | Trikster | I don't really know what that is XD |
| 02:53.51 | valdyn | !rrdtool |
| 02:53.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, rrdtool is not as good as mrtg :) |
| 02:53.59 | valdyn | !mrtg |
| 02:53.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mrtg is old, use rrdtool instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | Trikster: a static page, or image |
| 02:54.03 | techsupport | abrotman, ubuntu server 8.10 , from perl v.5.10 to perl v.5.8 |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | techsupport: you would ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:54.31 | Trikster | abrotman, I still don't get what you are saying, sorry.. |
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| 02:54.57 | amimusa | hello, could somebody tell me what 'c' means here: ? |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | Trikster: echo "<html><p>testing page</p></html>" > /some/file/in/web/root/test.html |
| 02:55.06 | abrotman | then load that page |
| 02:55.07 | amimusa | amimusa:~# aptitude search exim4 |
| 02:55.07 | amimusa | c exim4 - metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installa |
| 02:55.18 | amimusa | i guess is conflict, how can i fix it please ? |
| 02:55.21 | amimusa | thanks in advance |
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| 02:56.04 | abrotman | amimusa: probably `config` files |
| 02:56.27 | amimusa | ah ! o config files are still on my system then ... |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:56.35 | amimusa | great thanks |
| 02:56.46 | amimusa | i always doubt thinkng that means conflict |
| 02:56.48 | Trikster | abrotman, it still comes up as a 404. |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | amimusa: you may want to read the aptitude manual .. (yes i know it's large) |
| 02:56.57 | amimusa | if i didn0t do an apt-get purge |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | Trikster: something is misconfigured to start .. |
| 02:57.15 | _2 | hmm i'm not seeing any way without using an external/unencrypted boot device |
| 02:57.27 | amimusa | i need to locate config files to delete them ? or i an run purge again ? |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | Trikster: but i don't use the daemon, so i'm probably not a good reference |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | amimusa: man dpkg .. |
| 02:57.43 | amimusa | ok abrotman |
| 02:57.54 | amimusa | i know now i am on debian channel :) |
| 02:57.59 | amimusa | lol |
| 02:58.02 | amimusa | but it's ok |
| 02:58.08 | amimusa | i will sleep anyway |
| 02:58.26 | _2 | amimusa dpkg -P |
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| 02:59.11 | simonrvn | bah, screw you roundcube |
| 02:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no round cubes anyways |
| 03:00.00 | _2 | has a round rubix cube |
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| 03:00.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: love it! |
| 03:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | the sphere and the plane are topologically different... that's why you can't comb the hair on a (round) hedgehog flat all over |
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| 03:01.25 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat heh |
| 03:01.31 | simonrvn | they sure are |
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| 03:02.27 | _2 | anyway, i'm not seeing any hint at a way to do what i had in mind. ;/ |
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| 03:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | (your theoretical round, hairy hedgehog... ahem... ) |
| 03:02.42 | amimusa | thanks both |
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| 03:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, well, did you try this http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=encrypted+root+partition+debian |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | flattens CutMeOwnThroat's hedgehog |
| 03:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (see hit 1) |
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| 03:04.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, that might work... using your huge hummer |
| 03:04.44 | Samus_Aran | if I installed a package and it had a preinstall script which had an issue, how can I reinstall it so it reruns the script now that I have fixed what it complained about ? |
| 03:04.57 | Samus_Aran | I tried dpkg --purge, then reinstalling it, but it isn't rerunning it |
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| 03:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Samus_Aran, dpkg --purge should work... perhaps you purged the wrong package? |
| 03:05.21 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat requires boot device to be nonencrypted |
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| 03:05.57 | Samus_Aran | CutMeOwnThroat: I installed a few packages, I will confirm the script was from that one |
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| 03:06.43 | abrotman | Samus_Aran: dpkg --configure -a |
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| 03:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, you mean the unencrypted /boot ? |
| 03:07.43 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat yes |
| 03:08.15 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat i have one hd and no partitions so i'm not seeing any way to encrypt and still be bootable |
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| 03:08.23 | mepholic | u |
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| 03:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, you could put /boot on a different disk |
| 03:09.56 | _2 | like i said earlier "<_2> hmm i'm not seeing any way without using an external/unencrypted boot device |
| 03:09.58 | simonrvn | or resize stuff, and move stuff |
| 03:10.12 | _2 | simonrvn resize the disk ? hehhe |
| 03:10.19 | simonrvn | have backups FIRST |
| 03:10.29 | _2 | simonrvn you can't resize a disk |
| 03:10.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he doesn't have partitions |
| 03:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | putting /boot on a $10 usb stick might work, though :) |
| 03:11.01 | simonrvn | wut? it's an hdd with no partitions? o_O |
| 03:11.11 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat yeah i have been thinking about that. |
| 03:11.15 | simonrvn | there is one. |
| 03:11.19 | mepholic | u |
| 03:11.21 | _2 | there is none |
| 03:11.25 | Samus_Aran | abrotman, CutMeOwnThroat: I figured out the problem now. it did in fact work with the purge, but it didn't create the kernel module that I was expecting, because I haven't rebooted since installing a newer kernel. it built the module for that newer kernel |
| 03:11.38 | simonrvn | _2: is it a zip disk or something? :P |
| 03:11.48 | Samus_Aran | I think I'll just reboot, I'm not even in X. |
| 03:11.48 | _2 | simonrvn no. ide hdd |
| 03:12.01 | Samus_Aran | thanks all. |
| 03:12.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, he's just using /dev/hda instead of /dev/hda1 |
| 03:12.21 | simonrvn | _2: what sort of machine is this? |
| 03:12.39 | pickcoder | simonrvn: it's a new FS that requires no structure at all |
| 03:12.42 | simonrvn | oh, so he wants the whole disk encrypted? |
| 03:13.01 | simonrvn | pickcoder: some sort of cluster fs? |
| 03:13.13 | pickcoder | I'm game |
| 03:13.20 | _2 | simonrvn that's the short and long of it, yeah. <simonrvn> oh, so he wants the whole disk encrypted? |
| 03:13.32 | Samus_Aran | my storage is encrypted, other than the distro which lives on a small IDE drive |
| 03:13.48 | _2 | simonrvn no, newer than cluster, it's ext2fs :))) |
| 03:14.03 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:14.36 | simonrvn | pulling my leg |
| 03:14.39 | _2 | no |
| 03:14.54 | toolz | how can I see my cpu % load? |
| 03:15.02 | simonrvn | uptime |
| 03:15.09 | mngrif | wishes he ran full disk encryption |
| 03:15.17 | nullboy | toolz: top |
| 03:15.34 | simonrvn | i don't have that kind of juice in the cpus i have to do that |
| 03:15.46 | pickcoder | I don't see the point in it |
| 03:15.46 | Samus_Aran | toolz: load and CPU % are two different measurements. "load" on a Unix system refers to how many processes are waiting in line to be processed, for each CPU cycle. |
| 03:16.27 | mngrif | i usually do, but i just don't see much of a point. truecrypt handles all of my anti-bad-guy needs |
| 03:16.49 | Samus_Aran | toolz: so on a dual-core system, a load of 2.00 means it is running 100% busy. for every two processes completed, two are waiting. /proc/loadavg or w or who or uptime or top can show you your load |
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| 03:17.41 | toolz | Samus_Aran, I have a core 2 quad q9550 |
| 03:17.45 | _2 | so a load avarage of 0.0% is good |
| 03:17.55 | Samus_Aran | _2: heh |
| 03:18.00 | pickcoder | a load average of 0.0% is wasted hardware |
| 03:18.03 | simonrvn | _2: so you stuck ext2 onto your entire drive, instead of partitioning it. |
| 03:18.13 | _2 | Samus_Aran that's what uptime tells me. |
| 03:18.17 | mngrif | loads aren't percentages |
| 03:18.19 | bittin^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.22 | simonrvn | never mind |
| 03:18.23 | _2 | simonrvn yes |
| 03:18.24 | toolz | http://mars.hostingbit.com/sysinfo |
| 03:18.27 | Samus_Aran | toolz: I am not familiar with Intel architecture. how many cores or CPUs is that ? |
| 03:18.39 | toolz | look on that link |
| 03:18.48 | pickcoder | Samus_Aran: kidding right? |
| 03:18.49 | toolz | Load Averages 0.46 0.22 0.09 |
| 03:18.57 | mngrif | core 2 quad = 4 cores |
| 03:19.05 | Samus_Aran | then why is it called Core 2 ? |
| 03:19.10 | pickcoder | it's Core2 (tm) |
| 03:19.13 | simonrvn | Samus_Aran: that's an amd64 2 core cpu |
| 03:19.14 | pickcoder | not Core 2 |
| 03:19.15 | Samus_Aran | sounds like dual-quad |
| 03:19.21 | mngrif | "core" is the name of the actual internal bus layout |
| 03:19.28 | mngrif | core 2 being the 2nd revision |
| 03:19.31 | simonrvn | oh, misread, 2 cores, 2 cpus |
| 03:19.57 | _2 | wasn't kidding. 21:15:09 up 6 hours 39 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 03:20.02 | Samus_Aran | I just upgraded to an Athlon X4 Phenom yesterday. very impressive. |
| 03:20.14 | toolz | see my load averages |
| 03:20.16 | pickcoder | Samus_Aran: triple duty eh? |
| 03:20.25 | pickcoder | was recently asking about Debian on a Phenom |
| 03:20.25 | toolz | are not 0.0 though a counter-strike server is running |
| 03:20.26 | aghaster | has an intel q6600 |
| 03:20.29 | mngrif | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.32 | toolz | but there is noone connected on it |
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| 03:20.46 | htmlol | Samus_Aran: looking to do some major compiling? ;) |
| 03:20.47 | Samus_Aran | my computer is a desktop and server, and I'm going to try again to set up multiseat again. multiseat is incredibly nice when it works |
| 03:20.51 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.56 | mngrif | that's with 150+ torrents and a VM, among other background monitoring softwares |
| 03:21.04 | aghaster | Intel VT rocks for virtual machines :) |
| 03:21.13 | Samus_Aran | encryption + 3 computers using the hard drive + full desktop with dozens of apps + web and other servers = a lot of CPU usage |
| 03:21.17 | mngrif | far more than enough CPU to burn on full disk encryption |
| 03:21.53 | toolz | how do you 'traduce' 0.59 0.31 0.14 in % for example? |
| 03:21.56 | willie_ | is there anyone who might be able to help me with wifi? |
| 03:21.58 | toolz | load averages |
| 03:22.13 | toolz | is that high for a core 2 quad q9550 with 8GB ram? |
| 03:22.19 | Samus_Aran | I recently switched from a 32bit to 64bit system and I couldn't believe how much it improved on the speed, most likely the encryption algorithims are optimised well for 64bit |
| 03:22.21 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:22.22 | mngrif | toolz: for usage %, use top. loads are averages over time |
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| 03:22.27 | simonrvn | toolz: no |
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| 03:22.53 | Samus_Aran | although the encryption is not threaded, so currently with full reading from the RAID-6 array + encryption, it uses around two and a quarter cores of the four |
| 03:23.05 | toolz | the only process eating cpu/memory is: 5179 toolz 20 0 67200 55m 6140 S 0 0.7 0:05.48 hlds_i686 |
| 03:23.10 | Samus_Aran | which is fine, leaves some CPU for the apps |
| 03:23.14 | simonrvn | i wonder how guys would manage on the stuff i have here, with what i'm doing with it. ;) |
| 03:23.17 | toolz | cpu 1 and memory 0.7 |
| 03:23.19 | nullboy | i used blowfish for linux luks on / and it worked fine, hardly any performance issues on a 1.83ghz coreduo |
| 03:23.21 | pickcoder | Samus_Aran: I thought the Phenom was 3-core |
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| 03:23.27 | toolz | though that process is just running not accessed till now, is it fine? :D |
| 03:23.33 | toolz | like idling |
| 03:23.39 | s3a | there is ~/.deluge/ so where do i go? |
| 03:23.45 | s3a | there is no* |
| 03:23.47 | pickcoder | ah.. X4 |
| 03:23.48 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 03:23.56 | Samus_Aran | pickcoder: Phenom comes in 3 and 4 core varieties. Phenom supports HyperTransport 3.0 on motherboards that support it, and RAM up to 1,066 Mhz |
| 03:23.59 | Samus_Aran | pickcoder: X3 is triple core, X4 is quad core |
| 03:24.12 | Samus_Aran | X2 is their dual-core with HyperTransport 2.0 |
| 03:24.41 | Samus_Aran | speaking of which, I am still on HyperTransport 2.0, as I haven't looked up what speed I'm supposed to set it to, and didn't want it to be unstable |
| 03:25.05 | mngrif | my server is a X2 2.6GHz, and i must say, it crunches numbers quite nicely. i don't think i'll be needing to upgrade until it runs out of supported disk space |
| 03:25.33 | Samus_Aran | mngrif: if it wasn't for the encryption, I wouldn't need quad core |
| 03:25.33 | Samus_Aran | it is *really* CPU intensive |
| 03:25.44 | nullboy | yeah right |
| 03:25.58 | mngrif | well yeah, when SATA3 routinely pushes 35MB/sec even on my wimpy hardware |
| 03:26.13 | nullboy | my laptop is a 1.83 core duo, not even the core 2 duo and i did full / encyption using luks with blowfish |
| 03:26.17 | nullboy | it worked fine |
| 03:26.32 | mngrif | how big was your average file you were hossing around? |
| 03:26.58 | Samus_Aran | I have a large RAID-6 array, without encryption it has a sustained 200 MiB/sec on my former X2 for sequential reads. with encryption on a 32bit distro and dual-core, only 26 MiB/sec |
| 03:27.07 | _2 | nullboy did you put kernel and initrd on an unencrypted space ? |
| 03:27.19 | nullboy | my laptop is a 160GB main disk and on any given day i was moving 6-16GB file sizes around as well as using huge build environments |
| 03:27.30 | mngrif | i must raid my drives :( |
| 03:27.30 | nullboy | _2: i used a small /boot partition |
| 03:27.39 | _2 | k |
| 03:27.43 | pickcoder | 1.4Ghz max clock for 2.0 |
| 03:27.43 | _2 | figured |
| 03:27.49 | pickcoder | 2.6Ghz for 3.0 |
| 03:27.54 | pickcoder | 3.2Ghz for 3.1 |
| 03:27.56 | simonrvn | ahem, we told you that 20m ago |
| 03:28.01 | mngrif | maybe Samus_Aran is using some serious crypto |
| 03:28.07 | Samus_Aran | with quad-core on a 32bit distro the speed increased to 36 MiB/sec |
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| 03:28.29 | Samus_Aran | and with a 64bit distro the speed jumped way up to 59.3 MiB/sec |
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| 03:28.43 | Samus_Aran | I should have switched sooner |
| 03:28.53 | _2 | simonrvn he hadn't chimed in, never hurts to see if someone else had a different idea |
| 03:28.54 | simonrvn | in the meantime, we have 2, now 1, person asking questions |
| 03:29.06 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 03:29.06 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:29.16 | s0lid | anyone tried the intel dg451d board using debian? |
| 03:30.11 | simonrvn | s0lid: what's the questions? |
| 03:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | _2, you can't get around that - the bootloader will just read the stuff from disk as is and run it (kernel+initram for ramdisk) |
| 03:31.17 | _2 | CutMeOwnThroat can't is such a strong term, no known way seems much more accurate :) |
| 03:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, now you interrupted their penis length comparison discussion :( |
| 03:31.40 | simonrvn | aaw, gee |
| 03:32.12 | s0lid | simonrvn, i need a driver for the ethernet for this motherboard i tried to look around haven't got any conversation for this |
| 03:32.13 | pickcoder | _2: so build your own kernel with the encryption modules included and see where it gets you |
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| 03:32.49 | Samus_Aran | nullboy: apparently the kernel encryption is way less efficient than some other solutions like cryptoloop. I used the kernel's device-mapper because it was very cleanly laid out and easy to maintain (and wasn't deprecated in the new kernels) |
| 03:32.51 | simonrvn | s0lid: 'k, did you try a recent kernel? has it been released, written? what's your setup? |
| 03:32.55 | Samus_Aran | s0lid: does ndiswrapper do that ? it uses windows drivers |
| 03:33.11 | simonrvn | oh, ick |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | s0lid: lspci .. what is it ? uname -a .. what's your kernel? |
| 03:33.26 | kolpur | where are the contacts stored in evolution email client and what is its format of storing ?? |
| 03:33.31 | simonrvn | !nidswrapper |
| 03:33.33 | _2 | pickcoder i was just thinking about putting the kernel in sector 0 (boot loader = vmlinuz) |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | !spellcheck simonrvn |
| 03:33.39 | s0lid | haven't checked it i'll try to get a newer kernel. but i'll try the ndiswrapper method first |
| 03:33.42 | simonrvn | !ndiswrapper |
| 03:33.42 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead, ask me about <wireless>; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to install. http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:33.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:33.51 | pickcoder | _2: keep in mind how the boot sector is read |
| 03:33.51 | abrotman | s0lid: answer my questions first ... |
| 03:33.59 | simonrvn | first time spelling that, lay off :P |
| 03:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, you still need a space to save the kernel unencrypted... you can't run an encrypted kernel |
| 03:34.03 | s0lid | abrotman, im installing it right now i'll check on it |
| 03:34.08 | pickcoder | do you have answer as to how BIOS is going to read that? |
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| 03:34.10 | mngrif | CutMeOwnThroat: simonrvn: actually i find those kinds of conversations great sources of inspiration. i like hearing real world results of throwing all your personal use data stores in to a RAID6, and how encryption affects transfer speeds. but indeed it was totally OT |
| 03:34.19 | kolpur | where are the contacts stored in evolution email client and what is its format of storing ?? |
| 03:34.23 | _2 | pickcoder if i put the kernel for the mbr it will read that ? |
| 03:34.27 | kolpur | anyone please help me ... |
| 03:34.30 | pickcoder | _2: go for it |
| 03:34.44 | simonrvn | kolpur: try ~/.evolution/ |
| 03:35.12 | simonrvn | i'd suggest using something like mc to go browse quickly |
| 03:35.33 | s0lid | abrotman, it says intel unknown device 10cd |
| 03:35.42 | mngrif | is there a win32 port of mc? |
| 03:35.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I don't think it's as simple... evolution uses... some database(-format) |
| 03:35.50 | _2 | pickcoder yeah you are right, the bios will probably think that the disk is unbootable and fail to read it |
| 03:35.51 | simonrvn | mngrif: me i couldn't care less, it just underlines income disparities ;). |
| 03:35.51 | s0lid | abrotman, my kernel is 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 03:36.03 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: mostly xml |
| 03:36.22 | kolpur | simonrvn: what is mc ??? |
| 03:36.26 | pickcoder | s0lid: update-pciids |
| 03:36.28 | simonrvn | !mc |
| 03:36.29 | dpkg | [mc] Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ |
| 03:36.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | midnight commander |
| 03:36.30 | pickcoder | then try the lspci again |
| 03:36.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 03:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mngrif, there you got your answer, btw... heh, I think I even knew that :) |
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| 03:37.37 | abrotman | s0lid: do you have any networking ? |
| 03:38.05 | s0lid | abrotman, i have an ethernet port that doesn't have drivers if that's what you where asking |
| 03:38.52 | mngrif | yes, this is much better than explorer! |
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| 03:39.05 | chrisn2323 | how come when i try to install I get an i/o error? |
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| 03:39.08 | abrotman | s0lid: no working wifi ? |
| 03:39.25 | Samus_Aran | s0lid: step 1) determine the ethernet card's chipset [update the pci ids like was suggested], step 2) find out if the newer Linux kernels have a driver for it, if not step 3) see if ndiswrapper can be used with a Windows driver for this ethernet card |
| 03:39.37 | abrotman | s0lid: desktop/server/laptop ? |
| 03:39.38 | beachsurfin | how does spi help debian, through distributing money to some of the devs? |
| 03:39.39 | _2 | wait, eth0 that is not supported in linux ??? |
| 03:39.40 | s0lid | abrotman, nope |
| 03:40.00 | s0lid | Samus_Aran, ok |
| 03:40.07 | s0lid | abrotman, desktop board |
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| 03:40.15 | beachsurfin | how long has a typical lead dev been coding? |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | s0lid: either use etchnhalf isntaller or lenny |
| 03:40.32 | beachsurfin | around how much do they make? |
| 03:40.32 | jmoncayo | hey guys, if i create an 802.11g ad hoc, will it be half or full duplex? |
| 03:40.33 | abrotman | beachsurfin: this is a distro support channel |
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| 03:40.49 | beachsurfin | abrotman: where would this be appropriate? |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | beachsurfin: i doubt you'd get a good answer in #debian-offtopic, and it's offtopic here ... maybe ask #defocus |
| 03:41.20 | simonrvn | beachsurfin: 1) no 2) anywhere from 5 years to 30 y 3) no one gets any, it's volunteer based |
| 03:41.25 | _2 | <s0lid> abrotman, i have an ethernet port that doesn't have drivers <<< am i missing something ? is ati building eth chips too? |
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| 03:41.44 | abrotman | ati ? |
| 03:42.00 | _2 | nv maybe |
| 03:42.24 | abrotman | beachsurfin: or email the SPI and ask them |
| 03:42.29 | abrotman | nv? |
| 03:42.31 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> how come when i try to install debian I get an i/o error? |
| 03:42.47 | beachsurfin | thank you abrotman and simonrvn |
| 03:42.47 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: bad drivers or bad hardware |
| 03:42.51 | simonrvn | chrisn2323: asking crystal ball now |
| 03:43.06 | Samus_Aran | Reply hazy. Try again later. |
| 03:43.08 | chrisn2323 | well arch linux installs Samus_Aran |
| 03:43.13 | chrisn2323 | so i dont know the problem |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | missed the SPI bit |
| 03:43.39 | s0lid | abrotman, ok i'll get the 2 debians first |
| 03:43.48 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: when do you get the error, does it only say "I/O error" or something more informative ? have you checked 'dmesg' for further errors before this one ? |
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| 03:44.01 | pickcoder | chrisn2323: if it's onboard sata make sure the chipset is supported and which modes are supported as well |
| 03:44.16 | chrisn2323 | Samus_Aran, its like i/o buffer error 32222226 sector |
| 03:44.26 | chrisn2323 | pickcoder, where can i see a supported list |
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| 03:45.38 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: sounds like the CD is defective. have you run an md5sum check on the ISO image and on the final disc ? |
| 03:45.48 | chrisn2323 | no |
| 03:45.53 | chrisn2323 | but cd should be fine... |
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| 03:46.16 | Samus_Aran | "should be" and "are" often don't coincide |
| 03:46.38 | HellMind | how can I make dhcpclient and pppoeclient to add the default routes in a custom table? |
| 03:46.55 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: you didn't answer the other two questions I asked |
| 03:47.21 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> Samus_Aran, its like i/o buffer error 32222226 sector |
| 03:47.24 | chrisn2323 | wuts dmesg |
| 03:47.29 | nullboy | Samus_Aran: that's what luks uses...DM |
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| 03:47.36 | pickcoder | chrisn2323: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
| 03:47.39 | simonrvn | type it in a terminal and see |
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| 03:48.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it prints lots of weird stuff, it must be a virus! |
| 03:48.34 | simonrvn | OHNOZ! |
| 03:48.53 | Samus_Aran | nullboy: strange then. device-mapper has been very slow for me. the encryption method I chose might not perform very well, though I'm pretty sure I picked one in the middle, but still decently secure |
| 03:49.04 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: dmesg prints out the recent kernel messages, including errors |
| 03:49.26 | pickcoder | chrisn2323: if all else fails, burn the CD at 1X. |
| 03:49.51 | chrisn2323 | i have an amd sb700 pickcoder |
| 03:49.52 | pickcoder | I've seen cheap RW drives refuse to install the base system because of i/o errors from disk |
| 03:49.55 | chrisn2323 | that controls sata i thing |
| 03:49.57 | Samus_Aran | I've noticed more and more brands of cheap media which perform reliably only when burned slower than their marked speeds |
| 03:50.01 | chrisn2323 | but i dunno what it is |
| 03:50.06 | _2 | what about burners that don't support speeds slower than 16X ? |
| 03:50.37 | pickcoder | I'd like to see one |
| 03:50.49 | Samus_Aran | RiDATA has been decent for me, at least the set I got |
| 03:50.54 | _2 | pickcoder that's that message i get from my dvdrw |
| 03:51.08 | mngrif | _2: most can be forced to run at 1x or 2x. i have a burner who's stated minimum is 16x and it does 1x perfectly fine when forced to |
| 03:51.10 | _2 | for burning cd iso's |
| 03:51.14 | Samus_Aran | pickcoder: there are actually a lot of CD and DVD writers that can't go at 1x |
| 03:51.33 | Samus_Aran | I don't burn CDs anymore, though, just DVDs. even if its a CD ISO image, just dump it to a DVD, works fine |
| 03:51.36 | Samus_Aran | and works faster that way |
| 03:51.40 | pickcoder | I've never had one that refused to burn under cdrecord with speed set to 1x |
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| 03:51.43 | mngrif | Samus_Aran: hear hear! |
| 03:51.44 | _2 | mngrif maybe i wasn't pushing hard enough point taken |
| 03:51.50 | pickcoder | maybe I just haven't bought the right one |
| 03:51.58 | chrisn2323 | lowest i can burn is 8x |
| 03:52.46 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: check md5sums then burn it as a DVD at 1x, if you have a DVD writer and blank |
| 03:52.55 | chrisn2323 | sorry no dvd |
| 03:52.56 | _2 | pickcoder i set speed to 1 in cdrecord and it messeged me ' speed 1X not supported by drive, using 16X ' i didn't persue it though |
| 03:52.58 | chrisn2323 | ill check sums tho |
| 03:53.04 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:53.26 | pickcoder | too bad the media doesn't follow the same standards |
| 03:53.30 | Samus_Aran | chrisn2323: but you still never answered my first question: when does the error occur ? during installing files, or just when reading from the CD ? |
| 03:54.11 | chrisn2323 | Samus_Aran, i start the text install (with acpi=off b/c older kernels need it for my comp) then it says booting kernel |
| 03:54.13 | chrisn2323 | then the error |
| 03:55.32 | _2 | well thanks for all the input/advice guys. i'll be back when i can't stay so long. gooday |
| 03:57.45 | pickcoder | chrisn2323: that's probably a CD error |
| 03:58.24 | chrisn2323 | k |
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| 04:01.52 | Samus_Aran | bye everyone, off to reboot and get to work |
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| 04:03.49 | r00tl | Need some help configuring X. Current screen resolution should be 1440*900 but it currently does not fully fill the pixels; http://pastebin.com/m9035f8d pastebin of xorg. Is this the issue; or what can fix said issue? |
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| 04:05.26 | abrotman | r00tl: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 04:07.07 | abrotman | notes that r00tl seems to be using the ati driver with an intel video card |
| 04:08.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:08.44 | abrotman | well .. look at his paste! |
| 04:09.16 | r00tl | Was helping a friend, he should be coming in here soon. |
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| 04:13.08 | r00tl | lspci grep | VGA |
| 04:13.08 | r00tl | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.27 | simonrvn | move the | over |
| 04:13.28 | r00tl | wrong order >_> |
| 04:13.30 | r00tl | yup |
| 04:13.38 | r00tl | he's a nub. |
| 04:14.16 | abrotman | nib? |
| 04:14.37 | r00tl | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:14.40 | r00tl | noob. |
| 04:14.54 | abrotman | removing the PCI BusID line might help |
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| 04:19.39 | simonrvn | use the radeon driver |
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| 04:25.41 | r00tl | that's him btw ^ |
| 04:25.44 | mbent_ | hi, has anyone successfully set up virtualisation (virtualbox, kvm, qemu etc etc) with hard drive encryption (dmcrypt, cryptsetup) successfully? |
| 04:25.55 | Nu_Zalem | Good evening all |
| 04:26.12 | simonrvn | use the radeon driver |
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| 04:26.48 | simonrvn | ot stick with ati on etch; try with removing the pciid like abrotman suggested |
| 04:26.52 | simonrvn | or* |
| 04:27.02 | simonrvn | pci busid even |
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| 04:27.56 | Nu_Zalem | ok |
| 04:28.00 | Nu_Zalem | give me a sexc |
| 04:28.01 | Nu_Zalem | sec* |
| 04:28.03 | peterm | hi i know the average pagehit/day count for a website, what would be a good normal distribution to calculate the peak hits? |
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| 04:29.10 | simonrvn | hits or page views? |
| 04:29.27 | simonrvn | ok, got that cvered =) |
| 04:29.29 | peterm | hits |
| 04:29.43 | mngrif | peterm: peak hits make up half your hits usually |
| 04:29.50 | mngrif | if not more |
| 04:30.34 | mngrif | but peak for me is just like a smooth curve that thankfuly gets higher on the graph each month |
| 04:30.36 | peterm | mngrif, but i want like peak hits / min or something |
| 04:31.08 | simonrvn | wonders why people bother with that kind of stuff |
| 04:31.12 | mngrif | peak hits are hits that happen when the most hits are hitting throughout the day, typically right at midnight EST, for american sites |
| 04:31.12 | newsense | f/msg dpkg seen fxiny |
| 04:31.21 | newsense | grr |
| 04:31.26 | simonrvn | newsense: he's usually on oftc |
| 04:31.44 | newsense | shit thought i was on oftc well i am but in another window haha |
| 04:31.52 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:32.12 | mngrif | wow it's been a while since i was in that room |
| 04:32.26 | simonrvn | !room |
| 04:32.26 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:32.37 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 04:32.45 | newsense | hey i just setup encrypted lvm and at boot the lvm group cant be found than i get the password prompt is this normal |
| 04:32.46 | mngrif | tomato tomato, it's all the same :P |
| 04:33.02 | peterm | simonrvn, because a business rival claims he got 80mil hits in two years and i want to know how much hits that is at max so that i can estimate the server size behind |
| 04:33.30 | mngrif | 150%. |
| 04:33.46 | mngrif | barring the /. effect, peak will account for at least half your hits |
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| 04:34.40 | peterm | mngrif, i don't know of any /. like commercials he has so i'm more interested in the average user count (or average peak don't know how you say) |
| 04:34.52 | mngrif | i tweak to handle 200% of daily average at any given time for initial setups |
| 04:35.03 | mbent_ | newsense, if you upgraded your distro from stable to testing or unstable..... yes. |
| 04:35.05 | peterm | like how many users are online between 1pm and 2pm if 1000 are online between 0am and 24pm |
| 04:35.08 | peterm | arg ^^ |
| 04:35.10 | peterm | 12pm |
| 04:35.14 | mbent_ | newsense, its currently broken. |
| 04:35.25 | mngrif | 400 or so. |
| 04:35.30 | mngrif | usually less |
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| 04:35.56 | newsense | i didnt upgrade its a fresh install |
| 04:36.00 | newsense | lenny |
| 04:36.18 | newsense | it works cause im on it now it gave the error twice than dropped me to a password prompt |
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| 04:36.34 | peterm | mngrif, do you think it's ok to say 40% of the daily users are online in the three peak hours? |
| 04:36.37 | chrisn2323 | i get an i/o buffer error when trying to install after a booting kernel message |
| 04:36.39 | mbent_ | newsense, yes, its broken |
| 04:36.40 | chrisn2323 | please help |
| 04:36.43 | Nu_Zalem | okay going to restart, brb |
| 04:36.44 | peterm | or more/less? |
| 04:36.50 | mngrif | peterm: 150% |
| 04:36.59 | mbent_ | newsense, it works if you use etch, or etch and a half |
| 04:37.00 | mngrif | err, wait, 50% from how you phrased it |
| 04:37.06 | mbent_ | but anything else and its broken |
| 04:37.11 | peterm | mngrif, hehe yes i just wanted to say ;-) |
| 04:37.46 | newsense | mbent_, thats great thank you |
| 04:38.03 | mngrif | but this is highly irregular, i'm lucky in that because of our site's content it's easy to guess when it will be used the most by it's target audience |
| 04:38.46 | mngrif | your average business site would probably be seeing the exact opposite trend of peak happening mid day or early afternoon EST |
| 04:39.59 | newsense | mbent_, hey are the lvm partitions supposed to say oesn't contain a valid partition table with fdisk -l ? |
| 04:41.12 | mbent_ | newsense, yes |
| 04:41.15 | mbent_ | newsense, thats right |
| 04:41.53 | newsense | cool thanks |
| 04:42.03 | mbent_ | newsense, the best thing to do... if you want an encrypted computer is to just install normal lvm in the setup, then after its installed, encrypt your /home partition |
| 04:42.26 | mngrif | mbent_: do you happen to have a handy howto laying around? |
| 04:42.31 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> i get an i/o buffer error when trying to install after a booting kernel message |
| 04:42.31 | newsense | well i read a few docs and sat in here talking about it for an hour or more and never heard that |
| 04:42.33 | chrisn2323 | please help me |
| 04:42.52 | newsense | and i just got done restoring my backups |
| 04:43.01 | newsense | so i need to make it work |
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| 04:43.16 | newsense | i really just want the errors to be gone |
| 04:43.18 | mbent_ | newsense, no, i did it myself 3 nights ago |
| 04:43.50 | newsense | you get no errors about your lvm group at boot ? |
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| 04:44.15 | newsense | maybe i should just add a --quiet lto grub |
| 04:44.16 | mbent_ | newsense, yeah, no errors |
| 04:44.27 | newsense | if thatll keep me from seeing i guess |
| 04:44.31 | mbent_ | newsense, but my whole computer isn't encrypted.. only my home drive |
| 04:44.34 | newsense | dont care for the idea much though |
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| 04:45.25 | newsense | home partition ya mean ? |
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| 04:47.47 | mbent_ | newsense, yes, sorry |
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| 04:52.08 | chrisn2323 | i get an i/o buffer error when trying to install after a booting kernel message |
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| 04:52.13 | chrisn2323 | plz help me |
| 04:52.17 | mbent_ | mngrif, no sorry, i don't have a howto |
| 04:52.33 | mbent_ | mngrif, i'll probably make one tonight |
| 04:52.52 | chrisn2323 | craigevil, u there? |
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| 04:55.47 | mngrif | mbent_: that would be great, please let me know if you do! |
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| 05:05.29 | zophy[] | is it true that most debian developemrnt nowadays is a result of backports from ubuntu ? |
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| 05:13.08 | newsense | these are all great questions for #ubuntu |
| 05:13.35 | nullboy | obvious troll is obvious |
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| 05:19.17 | elik | obvious_troll, ... I don't see you on ubuntu |
| 05:19.32 | elik | obvious_troll, but you think they'll put ubuntu on microcontrolers? |
| 05:19.45 | elik | (I always loved feeding the trolls) |
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| 05:32.12 | Nu_Zalem | no dice on the resolution |
| 05:32.17 | Nu_Zalem | but I'll try it again later |
| 05:32.23 | Nu_Zalem | 1280x1024 seems to disply fine for now |
| 05:33.07 | Nu_Zalem | I found some info on the forum, courtesy of my buddy, so I'll give it a read |
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| 05:34.21 | christoz | greetings, i've read a rumor that canonical has recently decided to provide by pay, multimedia codecs and DVD playback software, to their users, is that a fact? |
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| 05:35.36 | mbent_ | christoz, good question to ask #ubuntu |
| 05:36.18 | christoz | oh, ok |
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| 05:52.58 | newsense | hey when i boot i have no usb driver loaded yet how can i add usb module to my initramfs ? |
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| 05:53.22 | newsense | cant enter my encryption passphrase |
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| 05:55.58 | Supaplex | !initramfs |
| 05:55.58 | dpkg | from memory, initramfs is the new initrd. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug> |
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| 05:57.33 | newsense | Supaplex, that tells me nothing |
| 05:57.42 | newsense | thanks for trying though |
| 05:58.10 | mbent_ | newsense, add usb to your kernel options on your boot line? |
| 05:58.16 | mbent_ | in grub |
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| 05:58.39 | newsense | heh didnt think of that would be a simpler approach |
| 05:58.42 | newsense | thanks |
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| 05:59.04 | Supaplex | !initramfs debug |
| 05:59.04 | dpkg | i heard initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 06:00.10 | mrselfpwn | ping emma |
| 06:01.01 | newsense | i should have usb at boot from a default install right |
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| 06:04.07 | newsense | mbent_, what usb option in grub ? |
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| 06:06.01 | mbent_ | newsense, i can't remember :S |
| 06:06.15 | newsense | there aint one i can find |
| 06:06.17 | mbent_ | thought you could add a usb option or something to grub |
| 06:06.35 | newsense | doesnt look like it |
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| 06:07.06 | newsense | the funny thing is there are docs to using a keyfile on a usb drive instead of a crypto passphrase but if i got no usb |
| 06:08.01 | newsense | even a script to make the key and put it on a drive in the cryptsetup docs |
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| 06:09.28 | newsense | between this and the errors about not finding the lvm group whih it does find luckily after the errors im feeling unlucky today |
| 06:10.16 | christoz | should i use debian's proposed updates? |
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| 06:10.48 | christoz | is there any increase of instability? |
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| 06:11.38 | jawd | Hi all |
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| 06:12.15 | jawd | I am trying to compile C file and "gcc name.c -o name" is just giving me shitloads of errors. |
| 06:12.45 | jawd | I remember there was a parameter in gcc starting with -l* |
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| 06:12.52 | jawd | that alwats suceed me to compile something |
| 06:12.56 | jawd | always |
| 06:13.27 | jawd | cc name.c -libth name |
| 06:13.27 | jawd | something like that |
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| 06:17.05 | HellMind | how can I make dhcpclient and pppoeclient to add the default routes in a custom table? |
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| 06:19.34 | deadcat | if a machine has hardware raid controller, any command to tell me how many disk the server has? |
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| 06:21.58 | newsense_ | deadcat, probobly /proc or /sys |
| 06:23.59 | newsense_ | deadcat, try udevinfo -a -n /dev/hdd-dev-node and look for through the parents maybe and find the controlers dev path and see whats connected to it ? |
| 06:24.10 | newsense_ | best i can come up with im sure theres an easier way |
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| 06:24.38 | crunge | you can look through dmesg but there's no guarantee |
| 06:24.38 | jawd | what about this: |
| 06:24.39 | jawd | sp4099b:/home/kod# cc kkk.c -o kkk |
| 06:24.39 | jawd | kkk.c: In function âmainâ: |
| 06:24.39 | jawd | kkk.c:164: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function âexitâ |
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| 06:25.58 | crunge | jawd: is this a c program you wrote or one you got from elsewhere? |
| 06:26.03 | newsense_ | fdisk -l dont show ya or you talking about multiple raid controllers and want to know to which specific controller ? |
| 06:26.04 | jawd | ferme ta gueule AciD |
| 06:26.09 | jawd | ferme ta gueule __jonas__ |
| 06:26.32 | jawd | ferme ta gueule crunge |
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| 06:27.57 | crunge | I love the Internet. Get cursed at in foreign languages for attempting to help |
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| 06:30.51 | gdfgdfgdfgdfg | how do I control what scripts in /etc/init.d start on startup? |
| 06:31.20 | Gm4n | gdfgdfgdfgdfg: what's in /etc/rc#.d |
| 06:31.40 | gdfgdfgdfgdfg | so everythhing in /etc/rd#.d? |
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| 06:31.55 | Gm4n | the # is for the runlevel your system is in |
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| 06:32.18 | gdfgdfgdfgdfg | what is the basic run level, no x |
| 06:32.21 | gdfgdfgdfgdfg | 3? |
| 06:32.33 | mdrjr | gdfgdfgdfgdfg: check your /etc/inittab |
| 06:32.34 | newsense_ | 1 |
| 06:32.44 | mdrjr | you will understand more. |
| 06:32.53 | newsense_ | or 1-5 |
| 06:33.23 | gdfgdfgdfgdfg | id:2:initdefault: so 2 is mine? |
| 06:33.30 | mdrjr | yes. |
| 06:33.34 | newsense_ | 2 is your default runlevel |
| 06:33.38 | mdrjr | it's the default on debian systems. |
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| 06:34.51 | newsense_ | if you want to modify init.d services i recommend sysv-rc-conf |
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| 06:41.54 | _2 | i have this stupid icon that pops up on the desktop every time i insert a cd/dvd how does one stop this from happening ? |
| 06:42.12 | _2 | gnome ^ |
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| 06:51.58 | _2 | i was looking for something maybe in "gconf-editor" (which looks too much like a windows registery editor for me to tolerate much of) but havent found anything that will get rid of the blasted icon |
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| 07:00.29 | _2 | no comment ehh |
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| 07:14.55 | IcyCool | Hello |
| 07:15.08 | IcyCool | I have question about smartmontools |
| 07:16.11 | IcyCool | I configured repeated HDD checking thru smartd.conf, and also checked correct email sending for notifications by -M test key, everything worked ok. |
| 07:16.40 | IcyCool | But I don't receive any messages so far -- is it because my HDD is OK? |
| 07:17.08 | IcyCool | Will the smartmontools send notifications only when something goes wrong? |
| 07:17.14 | IcyCool | This is my config: |
| 07:17.27 | IcyCool | dev/sdb -I 194 -a -o on -S on -s (S/../.././03|L/../../6/04) \ |
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| 07:17.28 | IcyCool | -m sys@basicstaff.x \ |
| 07:17.28 | IcyCool | -M exec /usr/share/smartmontools/smartd-runner |
| 07:17.28 | IcyCool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:17.31 | nullboy | ... |
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| 07:18.36 | IcyCool | Thanks a lot |
| 07:19.07 | nullboy | you did it man |
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| 07:26.23 | Baz_ | hey, anyone know if intel bios raid-5 is supported? |
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| 07:37.29 | n08l3J | hello debian folks, I am a newbie here and is trying to install lirc-modules-source and having some trouble in configuring the kernel |
| 07:37.53 | n08l3J | I am getting this int he log file |
| 07:37.54 | n08l3J | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.54 | n08l3J | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.54 | n08l3J | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:38.04 | n08l3J | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.06 | n08l3J | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:38.33 | n08l3J | could anyone please list the steps to take in order to remove this |
| 07:38.41 | Meta | Use pastebin |
| 07:38.59 | n08l3J | Meta: sorry for that, I will do it in a min |
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| 07:42.18 | n08l3J | Meta: http://pastebin.ca/1306360 |
| 07:42.26 | n08l3J | please take a peek |
| 07:43.58 | HellMind | how can I make dhcpclient and pppoeclient to add the default routes in a custom table? |
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| 07:44.28 | Meta | I never said I could help you, n08l3J |
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| 07:44.52 | n08l3J | oh ! |
| 07:45.04 | n08l3J | So anyone else can ? |
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| 08:08.17 | s0lid_ | lenny did the trick with DG45ID tnx for all the help guys :) |
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| 08:10.06 | vn0 | hi, is the default bind package for debian already configured for dns caching? |
| 08:10.07 | WormFood | I'm trying to use uupdate, to compile a package the debian way (tm), and it worked before, but now I get an error of "uupdate: source tree for new version already exists as...."...I'm sure I did something wrong....anyone have a quick fix for me? (I'm reading over the docs now) |
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| 08:13.18 | WormFood | aaahhh....I think I found my problem....I wasn't following the directions (I though I was) |
| 08:14.28 | vn0 | bad boy ;) |
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| 08:17.39 | unitypunk | can you guys help me figure out the eggdrop config at all? |
| 08:17.54 | WormFood | unitypunk, I just did that a few days ago...it is well documented all over the web |
| 08:17.59 | WormFood | what problems are you having? |
| 08:18.13 | unitypunk | mostly the config file seems huge.. |
| 08:18.20 | unitypunk | and very deep |
| 08:19.18 | unitypunk | im starting with a sample config |
| 08:19.33 | unitypunk | and i cant figure out if im supposed to uncomment all the channel stuff |
| 08:21.13 | WormFood | while it is big, I thought it was well documented |
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| 08:21.34 | WormFood | there are several web pages that will get you up and running quickly, by telling you the bare minimum you need to modify |
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| 08:22.06 | WormFood | and, no you don't need to uncomment all the channel stuff, as there are defaults...well documented within the config file comments I thought |
| 08:22.36 | unitypunk | ic oudlnt findthe defaults at the end of the info |
| 08:23.27 | WormFood | IIRC, the defaults are before the channel config |
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| 08:24.38 | unitypunk | would they be set global -Chanset { etc |
| 08:25.33 | WormFood | yes, I do believe so |
| 08:26.19 | WormFood | # The following settings are used as default values when you .+chan #chan or .tcl |
| 08:26.19 | WormFood | # channel add #chan. Look in the section below for explanation of every option. |
| 08:26.37 | darthfett | anyone know if there's a good driver for my graphics card? mobile intel graphics media accelerator 4500M |
| 08:26.41 | unitypunk | it dosent auto join? |
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| 08:28.03 | WormFood | yes, it auto-joins |
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| 08:37.14 | nvz | wow its dead in here |
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| 08:39.08 | xoz | yep |
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| 08:40.22 | nvz | i was looking for an excuse to be lying in bed at god knows what hour playin with my phone |
| 08:40.57 | nvz | i wish this irc client could change to a smaller font |
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| 08:41.38 | WormFood | nvz, may I suggest you use a 1x1 pixel font |
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| 08:41.57 | xoz | heh |
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| 08:42.33 | nvz | wormfood you mean morse code? |
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| 08:42.41 | unitypunk | WormFood can you tell me where the conf goes? |
| 08:43.35 | WormFood | I just start eggdrop with the config in the current directory...it does not need to go anyplace special |
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| 08:43.51 | unitypunk | well i used synaptic. |
| 08:43.58 | unitypunk | so eggdrop is in usr/bin |
| 08:44.00 | unitypunk | so there? |
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| 08:45.59 | nvz | well seems like the charbox is about 7x10 in chat but like 4x8 when i goto the write text widget |
| 08:46.30 | WormFood | no |
| 08:46.48 | WormFood | do you know what "the current directory" is? |
| 08:46.48 | nvz | 7x10 for #debian on a screen the size of my thumb is less than perfect |
| 08:47.06 | unitypunk | yes |
| 08:47.17 | unitypunk | the driectory im in right now. |
| 08:47.22 | WormFood | exactly |
| 08:47.30 | WormFood | is your eggdrop config file there? |
| 08:47.34 | unitypunk | in docs/examples |
| 08:47.47 | liable | nvz: use the thing as a modem for your laptop |
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| 08:48.02 | WormFood | that is not where you want to execute eggdrop from |
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| 08:48.16 | nvz | that costs a lot more and this is more portable |
| 08:48.18 | WormFood | I suggest you make another user account, just for running eggdrop, and execute it as that user |
| 08:48.27 | tarzeau | hmmm my lastlog is too small |
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| 08:49.24 | nvz | i may do that in the future but so far cdma still largely sucks and isnt worth the money |
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| 08:50.07 | riz_ | I've added a script to my cron but it fails. It's in /etc/cron.daily It begins with #!/bin/sh and the error is: run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/saupdateopenprotector exited with return code 1 |
| 08:50.07 | riz_ | what is wrong? |
| 08:50.30 | nvz | i just got rid of my cdma modem.. ya pay twice the price of broadband for a capped connection that is usually slow and intermittant |
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| 08:52.16 | nvz | riz you either gotta come up with a better error or pastebin the script.. double check permissions just to be sure its not something simple |
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| 08:53.41 | riz_ | nvz the script, run by hand, works fine: it's a sa-update rule |
| 08:53.59 | riz_ | #!/bin/sh |
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| 08:54.13 | riz_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.19 | riz_ | simply this |
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| 08:55.24 | unitypunk | okay |
| 08:55.29 | nvz | hmm. i should go wipe my ass with my linux cert for not being too familiar with cron... hah |
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| 08:57.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | just got Claws+SA working, and now sees someone else talking about it - spooky |
| 08:57.39 | nvz | i am better at solving issues outside my scope when i irc from debian instead of a cell phone. heh |
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| 08:58.25 | nvz | i just so love the 35x6 chat window size :p |
| 08:58.47 | dondelelcaro | riz_: the problem is that saupdateopenprotector exited with error code 1 for whatever reason |
| 08:59.17 | dondelelcaro | riz_: it may appear to run properly from the shell, but you're probably not checking the exit code. If you really want to know what is failing, run it with set -x |
| 08:59.21 | riz_ | dondelelcaro but, by hand, works fine |
| 08:59.30 | nvz | which is puzzling if the script runs manually |
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| 08:59.55 | riz_ | dondelelcaro add set -x in cron script? |
| 09:00.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | sounds like something not available to the script in crons environment |
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| 09:01.40 | HellMind | how can I make dhcpclient and pppoeclient to add the default routes in a custom table? |
| 09:02.42 | riz_ | I've added "set -x" as dondelelcaro said http://pastebin.com/m7e07dac7 |
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| 09:04.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | i thought +x was a bashism |
| 09:05.15 | nvz | if there are shells that ignore permissions i dont wanna use em |
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| 09:06.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ok ... try "i thought `set +x` was a bashism" |
| 09:06.41 | jelly-home | Kamping_Kaiser: both are wrong! |
| 09:06.43 | nvz | try help set in bash? |
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| 09:07.04 | jelly-home | nvz: does bash help tell "this is a bashism"? |
| 09:07.13 | dihymo | iceweasel doesn't render anything off screen when there is a horizontal scroll bar |
| 09:07.20 | nvz | im certified now which means i am dumber |
| 09:07.39 | xoz | !qotd |
| 09:07.39 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already. <qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 227 (2008-10-18) |
| 09:07.47 | nvz | help only works on internal commands |
| 09:08.02 | Meta | dpkg: qotd0 |
| 09:08.02 | dpkg | < ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
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| 09:10.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | i still fail to see how 'help set' helps, but nm. |
| 09:10.40 | nvz | sings Sunday bloody sunday |
| 09:11.16 | nvz | if its a bash thing it would be in help.. |
| 09:11.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | it *was* in help |
| 09:12.08 | nvz | which it is a shell function or it would be in the manual |
| 09:12.30 | nvz | help set works. man set doesnt |
| 09:13.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | so what have we established here? that it is or isnt a bashism? (which was the original question. not whether it was a shell, builtin) |
| 09:13.22 | nvz | yeah so its a shell dependant command |
| 09:13.43 | nvz | im sure its not JUST a bash thing but its a shell thing |
| 09:13.51 | jelly-home | nvz: that tells it's an internal command, not that it's exclusive to bash (as opposed to, say, being defined in POSIX sh) |
| 09:14.03 | nvz | noted jelly |
| 09:14.18 | jelly-home | so it doesn't help with bashism |
| 09:14.54 | jelly-home | judd: info posh |
| 09:14.56 | judd | jelly-home: posh (shells): is optional; Version: 0.5.4; Size: 76.4k; Installed: 200k -- Policy-compliant Ordinary SHell |
| 09:15.13 | nvz | at what hour does sleep become an after thought? |
| 09:16.02 | xoz | set i think is a bash internal command |
| 09:16.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | xoz, we are all agreed on that bit |
| 09:17.07 | nvz | hah. we established that set is a shell built in for posix shells.. lets move on.. |
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| 09:17.53 | xoz | csh set output is different from bash and zsh set output |
| 09:18.37 | nvz | shells are different? *gasp* say it aint so.. |
| 09:18.56 | nvz | :-p |
| 09:19.01 | xoz | heh |
| 09:19.43 | jelly-home | nvz: fwiw, manpages-posix will get you a manual for set |
| 09:19.59 | nvz | cool.. good to know. |
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| 09:20.42 | nvz | i actually learned a few things about documentation when i took my linux cert. |
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| 09:21.22 | nvz | if only i had remembered... heh |
| 09:21.58 | xoz | yeah. what is the philosophy behind certifcation... for me it is an income generating thingy. |
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| 09:24.32 | nvz | well i planned on actually getting back into the field sometime and doing something that actually interests me.. and well a b.s. in c.s. might as well be a bullshit degree in common sense so i started taking certs and enrolled in college for businss |
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| 09:26.13 | xoz | computer science is pure science (lots of math) compared to business apps of comp sci. |
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| 09:27.07 | xoz | but many offer comp sci without even a thesis. |
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| 09:27.50 | anewbie | hey duudes i have a problem with xkb |
| 09:28.08 | anewbie | sudo apt-get install xkb tell me that there is no such application in the storages |
| 09:28.16 | anewbie | but when i make apt-cache i see it |
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| 09:28.29 | anewbie | ... want i'm supposed to do to install it via apt-get |
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| 09:29.06 | nvz | well i figured a business degree can get me beyond entry level if i cange my mind or need to do something different and the certs would show technical profeciency |
| 09:29.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | anewbie, assuming your package lists are up to date, its probably either in a different repository, or no longer available. |
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| 09:30.12 | xoz | try x11-xkb-utils or xkbsel or xxkb |
| 09:30.30 | xoz | try xxkb |
| 09:30.34 | nvz | anewbie what is it you are trying to get exactly? |
| 09:30.59 | anewbie | i try to get phonetical bulgaraian cyrilization for my debian lenny |
| 09:31.02 | nvz | xkb is not an actual package |
| 09:31.38 | nvz | wow you just said three words i dont understand in a row... impressive |
| 09:31.59 | nvz | if you were a woman id be in love |
| 09:32.08 | anewbie | hahah :) |
| 09:32.14 | anewbie | sorry i must disapoint you |
| 09:32.17 | anewbie | i am a duude |
| 09:32.18 | anewbie | :D |
| 09:32.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvts, 'try to get' isnt that complex :P |
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| 09:32.41 | nsadmin | misunderstanding and bewilderment... romantical! |
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| 09:32.59 | dondelelcaro | anewbie: that should be a keymap, I think; I don't know what it would be for bulgarian, though |
| 09:33.35 | anewbie | yes this is key map |
| 09:33.58 | anewbie | but it phonetical not the official BDS |
| 09:34.30 | nvz | yeah i thought so... i used to think i wanted to understand.. but bewilderment and misunderstanding is a good thing in this case |
| 09:35.44 | anewbie | hmm :) i will try to explain it :) i heard the xkb will give me other keymap konfiguration like the bulgarian cyrilik for exemple and when i edit mi xorg.conf i will recive the phonetical keymap |
| 09:35.57 | anewbie | i think i have xkb by default |
| 09:36.06 | xoz | anewbie: xkbsel? |
| 09:36.11 | anewbie | but when i edin xorg.conf and press ctrl+shift |
| 09:36.44 | anewbie | i dont have it :) installing in progress |
| 09:36.58 | anewbie | i am supposed to restart X after the installation for effects ok ? |
| 09:37.21 | nvz | no |
| 09:37.59 | nvz | xkbsel is just a tool you run to select xkbs |
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| 09:38.48 | anewbie | ahaa i see |
| 09:38.59 | xoz | anewbie: also xkbset package |
| 09:39.53 | anewbie | now i just need to know the exactly whitch keymap i want and type xkbsel ????? and everythink will be cool |
| 09:39.55 | anewbie | :) ok ? |
| 09:40.07 | xoz | anewbie: forget xkbset |
| 09:40.17 | nvz | i am completly ignorant to localization.. no idea how stuff works for other languages |
| 09:40.24 | xoz | xkbsel-aw and press the gui for possible options |
| 09:41.15 | xoz | anewbie: check /etc/xkbsel/ |
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| 09:41.48 | anewbie | Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion |
| 09:41.51 | anewbie | how about that ? |
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| 09:42.27 | nvz | warnings are for sissys |
| 09:42.41 | anewbie | haha |
| 09:42.45 | anewbie | thats right |
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| 09:43.03 | joelsolanki | Hello |
| 09:43.14 | nvz | hello |
| 09:43.15 | anewbie | toilet brb |
| 09:43.17 | joelsolanki | i have installed debian 4.0 |
| 09:43.25 | nvz | me too |
| 09:43.28 | joelsolanki | trying to install apt-get install php |
| 09:43.50 | nvz | thats where the similarities end |
| 09:44.09 | joelsolanki | E: Couldn't find package php |
| 09:44.21 | joelsolanki | doesnt working. any hints ? |
| 09:44.29 | xoz | joelsolanki: use php<n> where n is 3 or 4 or 5 |
| 09:44.36 | nvz | what do you want php functionality for? |
| 09:44.37 | xoz | php5 |
| 09:44.50 | joelsolanki | i need to installl php5 |
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| 09:45.22 | nvz | then id take xoz advice and tell the package manager that |
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| 09:45.34 | joelsolanki | :) |
| 09:45.42 | joelsolanki | gr8 it worked. |
| 09:45.46 | nvz | cool |
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| 09:45.52 | xoz | then aptitude install php5... also edit your /etc/bash.bashrc to enable bash completion |
| 09:45.57 | nvts | Kamping_Kaiser: nvz != nvts |
| 09:46.06 | nvts | :) |
| 09:46.31 | xoz | joelsolanki: if you enable bash completion, use tab to complete the name of package you want to install so that you will not keep on guessing the correct name. |
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| 09:46.50 | joelsolanki | ahh |
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| 09:46.55 | joelsolanki | ok |
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| 09:47.03 | xoz | joelsolanki: like aptitude install php<tab> will give all the possible php packages |
| 09:47.09 | nvz | i normally use enveezee when not at MY terminal but considering im on a tiny cell phone less chars is better |
| 09:47.21 | joelsolanki | got it. |
| 09:47.50 | xoz | joelsolanki: and start a new shell. your old shells will not yet exhibit completion. |
| 09:48.05 | joelsolanki | hmm |
| 09:48.39 | xoz | joelsolanki: even removing packages, completion is handy because it will only prompt you packages available for removal. |
| 09:48.50 | joelsolanki | awesome. it worked :) |
| 09:49.33 | xoz | joelsolanki: no go install more packages :) |
| 09:49.39 | xoz | s/no/now |
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| 09:49.47 | joelsolanki | yep :) |
| 09:49.56 | nvz | IT works an aweful lot |
| 09:50.05 | joelsolanki | yes |
| 09:50.17 | xoz | wonders why completion is not default in newly installed debian |
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| 09:50.36 | nvz | im glad i dont have to wirt ITs checks cause IT works for lots of people |
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| 09:52.58 | nvz | well the good news is i feel like i can fall asleep now.. to bad its like5am now |
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| 09:54.52 | joelsolanki | oh. |
| 09:55.00 | joelsolanki | where are you from ? |
| 09:55.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvts, did i ping you by mistake? sorry |
| 09:55.42 | joelsolanki | anyway good night |
| 09:55.44 | nvz | The CommonPoverty of Pennsylvania |
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| 09:56.39 | joelsolanki | :) |
| 09:57.01 | xoz | is packing up... time to go. |
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| 09:57.05 | nvz | im thinkin california is in my not too distant future |
| 09:57.20 | joelsolanki | hmm |
| 09:57.33 | joelsolanki | i m from india |
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| 09:58.09 | nvz | probably havin nice weather compared to here |
| 09:58.27 | joelsolanki | its little hot today here |
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| 09:58.43 | nvz | yeah well its snowin here |
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| 09:59.14 | doublehp | can a DHCP provide web-proxy IP ? how ? google did not really help me :/ |
| 09:59.40 | nvz | i only like snow when it not so cold... heh |
| 09:59.57 | nvz | in other words i like a warm rain |
| 10:00.17 | HellMind | how can I make dhcpclient and pppoeclient to add the default routes in a custom table? |
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| 10:01.08 | eptalon | Heyas, I am running a debian kernel that is AMD64, why does my system arch still identify as i386? |
| 10:01.29 | nvz | cause it is |
| 10:01.47 | doublehp | HellMind: you can not have several default routes . It will break your system. you first need to remove old ones |
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| 10:02.11 | nvz | eptalon you have a 32 bit install with a 64 bit kernel |
| 10:02.13 | eptalon | nvz: I tried to install a 64 bit virtualbox, which won't work. |
| 10:02.30 | eptalon | nvz: how do I get the non-kernel stuff to 64 bit? |
| 10:02.47 | nvz | i have no clue what a virtualbox is |
| 10:03.16 | eptalon | nvz: a virtualbox is a virtualization environment, developed by sun. |
| 10:03.30 | nvz | you reinstall is the only way i know |
| 10:03.50 | HellMind | you can so sh |
| 10:03.54 | nvz | using the amd64 discs |
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| 10:04.56 | eptalon | nvz: Or the AMD64 installer? |
| 10:05.23 | nvz | yeah if you are doin netinstall |
| 10:06.08 | eptalon | nvz: how much work is a chroot inst? |
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| 10:06.52 | nvz | pretty simple if i recall correctly you can use schroot to run apps |
| 10:07.05 | nvz | just use debootstrap |
| 10:07.23 | nvz | and install schroot |
| 10:08.24 | nvz | debootstrap is easier than using the installer if you rtfm |
| 10:08.54 | eptalon | nvz: there are no real benefits from using 64 bit, are there? |
| 10:09.15 | eptalon | At least not if you have less than 4 gigs of ram.. |
| 10:09.40 | adonis28850_ | hi someone with acknowledge about iptables¿? |
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| 10:09.50 | nvz | you mean aside from runnin 64bit apps? heh |
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| 10:10.23 | eptalon | nvz: All 64 bit gives me is a larger address space.. |
| 10:10.24 | nvz | i think there is a cool kids with amd64s club you can join |
| 10:10.31 | adonis28850_ | im using xen to virtualize servers, but im having problems with Nat and iptables... :S |
| 10:10.56 | eptalon | which I strictly dont need with less than 4 gig of ram. |
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| 10:11.43 | RichiH | is there any list of stuff like OS_VENDOR, OS_GROUP, etc? |
| 10:11.53 | nvz | you misunderstand bus size.. a 64bit data path is useful at WAY less that 4gb memory |
| 10:12.01 | RichiH | i.e. the officially defined one |
| 10:12.02 | RichiH | s |
| 10:12.38 | nvz | 32bit is only 65535 |
| 10:12.56 | nvz | erm.. well.. whatev |
| 10:13.10 | eptalon | nvz: 65k is 16 bit. |
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| 10:13.25 | batcoder-7 | when is the nest release of debian ? |
| 10:13.32 | nvz | thats a long way from billions |
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| 10:14.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | batcoder-7, when its ready |
| 10:14.36 | eptalon | nvz: 32 bit is 4.29 +10.9... |
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| 10:15.52 | batcoder-7 | Kamping_Kaiser, i mean about when though soon ? |
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| 10:16.58 | WormFood | is it likely a package compiled for sid would work on woody? |
| 10:17.11 | liable | nope |
| 10:17.16 | eptalon | WormFood: nope. |
| 10:17.18 | nvz | client crashed cause i lost signal for 2 seconds... bah |
| 10:18.02 | eptalon | WormFood: etch, probaly, sarge perhaps... |
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| 10:18.15 | eptalon | nvz: I was saying 32 bit linear address space is 4 gig. |
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| 10:19.14 | eptalon | Anyway, gtg. thanks all. |
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| 10:23.20 | WormFood | is sarge the latest stable? |
| 10:23.35 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: no |
| 10:23.39 | lazyfrosch | no etch is stable |
| 10:23.46 | WormFood | oh |
| 10:24.04 | lazyfrosch | and I guess lenny is getting stable soon |
| 10:24.31 | WormFood | I just compiled pidgin-2.5.3 for sid...anyone want to try it out on etch/sarge/woody/whatever? (this work with the current msn problems) |
| 10:25.22 | lazyfrosch | doesn't have an MSN account :-) |
| 10:25.34 | WormFood | good |
| 10:25.38 | WormFood | msn fuckin' sucks! |
| 10:25.50 | WormFood | I mean, sucks in the bad way |
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| 10:27.24 | anewbie | ааа :) гледайÑе кво ÑÑава ÑÑка |
| 10:27.31 | anewbie | пиÑем Ñи на кво Ñи иÑкам |
| 10:27.41 | anewbie | :) i make it |
| 10:28.26 | jelly-home | anewbie: tuka == goose? |
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| 10:29.02 | anewbie | гледайÑе какво ÑÑава ÑÑка = see what happend here |
| 10:29.04 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:30.51 | WormFood | hey, I can type in crazy language, that only 2 people understand here æ大夫é¿æ饿é¥é¿è²åè´´äººä½ æ¯é¸¡å·´ |
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| 10:32.27 | nullboy | i can at least see it |
| 10:32.27 | doublehp | is squid3 default conf permissive or restrictive ? I get "Access Denied. " on google, and wonder where to search the problem ... debian usually have permissive defaults, and i am surprised squid does not work in the first shot |
| 10:33.26 | anewbie | WormFood, this is my mature language :) and its not so crazy as you thing |
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| 10:34.54 | WormFood | anewbie, I can walk 15 minutes and see a soviet aircraft carrier with your crazy language written on it ;P |
| 10:35.46 | anewbie | haha :) for mother russia |
| 10:35.47 | anewbie | no duude |
| 10:36.38 | WormFood | it is called the Minsk |
| 10:36.42 | anewbie | :) i have another question how i am supposed to unlock an partition |
| 10:36.48 | WormFood | I can't type russian, I can only type chinese |
| 10:37.04 | WormFood | and english |
| 10:37.08 | WormFood | unlock? |
| 10:37.17 | x1250 | is there any parser for apache logs which can ban IPs that try to exploit the server, like in: |
| 10:37.18 | x1250 | [Thu Jan 08 02:14:20 2009] [error] [client 67.215.12.146] File does not exist: /var/www/web11/web/nonexistenshit |
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| 10:38.12 | x1250 | something like denyhosts, but for apache logs. I read on denyhosts page that is for ssh, I need something similar for apache2. |
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| 10:38.50 | Meta | Lenny doesn't appear to have openoffice-base in the repos... any ideas? |
| 10:39.11 | anewbie | WormFood, wait i will formulate pastebin |
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| 10:39.45 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:40.07 | gypsymauro | there is a wy to know which changes are coming with an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:40.59 | SlayerXP | gypsymauro: umm, yes, read what's in front of you when you type that. |
| 10:40.59 | Meta | Found it, openoffice.org-base. ;) |
| 10:41.19 | gypsymauro | SlayerXP: ? |
| 10:41.29 | Meta | It tells you |
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| 10:42.53 | anewbie | WormFood, |
| 10:42.54 | anewbie | http://pastebin.com/m71f0e104 |
| 10:42.57 | anewbie | here it is |
| 10:43.11 | anewbie | when i open gparted the partition is extendet with locked icon |
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| 10:46.32 | anewbie | any sugestioins ? |
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| 10:49.13 | WormFood | sorry, a little busy at the moment |
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| 10:49.29 | anewbie | ok :) |
| 10:49.32 | anewbie | no prob |
| 10:49.39 | WormFood | it does not see a file type it understands |
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| 10:50.02 | liable | anewbie: ext3? |
| 10:50.17 | liable | you need to remove the hournal to be able to resize ext3 |
| 10:50.24 | liable | s/hournal/journal/ |
| 10:50.26 | amitz | how can I check whether a graphic card I have, which has VGA connector and DVI connector, support multi-seat as in http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO ? The link somehow implied that multi-seat won't work although multi-monitor (desktop spanning) is supposed to work. |
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| 10:51.01 | anewbie | liable, |
| 10:51.03 | anewbie | fat32 |
| 10:51.03 | anewbie | .. |
| 10:51.04 | anewbie | ? |
| 10:51.11 | anewbie | i use it in windows |
| 10:51.25 | amitz | I have ATI Radeon HD3200 from AMD 780G chipset. |
| 10:51.33 | liable | anewbie: fat should be ok. no idea why it wouldn't work with that |
| 10:51.49 | anewbie | hmm ok |
| 10:51.57 | anewbie | thx for help may be if i erase it |
| 10:51.59 | anewbie | ... |
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| 10:52.49 | riz_ | I'm having a problem with an rc script (I suppose) the bind one: it waits many time and it remain hung. It waits on Starting domain name service...: bind |
| 10:53.00 | riz_ | (this a debian stable machine) |
| 10:53.22 | amitz | xrandr successfuly identified my 2 monitors connected to VGA connector and DVI conector |
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| 10:54.21 | Meta | How can I make an ordinary user be able to use sudo? |
| 10:54.27 | petemc | visudo |
| 10:54.37 | Meta | And what am I meant to put in there? |
| 10:54.50 | petemc | man sudoers |
| 10:54.59 | Meta | Oh helpful. </sarcasm> |
| 10:55.16 | petemc | you cant read man pages? |
| 10:55.22 | amitz | Meta: I find it quite helpful.. |
| 10:55.29 | Meta | I can't understand how to write my sudoers file |
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| 10:55.58 | petemc | you could supplement the man page with one of the many thousands of guides available on the web |
| 10:56.06 | petemc | im sure you dont find that helpful tho |
| 10:56.25 | Meta | Sorry, user doccy is not allowed to execute '/bin/umount /mnt/disk' as root on Paradoxical. <-- That indicates to me that I'm meant to change something in the users, not the sudoers file |
| 10:56.27 | amitz | Meta: If you have specific problem after reading it, ask away. |
| 10:57.11 | Meta | "Read the man page and then we'll say something of use" |
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| 10:58.29 | utrrrongeeb | Meta: visudo is a command to edit the /etc/sudoers file. It is recommended not to edit /etc/sudoers any other way (visudo makes sure there are no mistakes). The man page is one of the more intimidating, unfortunately. |
| 10:58.35 | petemc | Meta: do you find being a dick to people you're asking for help is something that works well for you? |
| 10:58.38 | Meta | I know what visudo does. |
| 10:58.43 | amitz | try "man sudoer" |
| 10:59.02 | Meta | utrrrongeeb: Yeah, coz it makes little sense. |
| 10:59.06 | amitz | Meta: it has some example below. |
| 11:00.06 | Meta | How long is this damn man page? *holds down enter key with a bit of sticky tape* |
| 11:00.42 | andash | yeah the point is to get to the bottom as fast as possible |
| 11:01.08 | WormFood | ctrl G |
| 11:01.16 | Meta | I don't exactly want to put "all" on my user account. |
| 11:01.19 | amitz | Meta: I usually use "info" instead of "man" |
| 11:01.31 | Meta | Because that just defeats the purpose of keeping it separate from the root account. |
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| 11:02.26 | Meta | Eh, that works. |
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| 11:05.46 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 11:06.17 | aprendiz001 | does exist in nagios a plugin for checking the size of a folder with a limit or I have to write it? |
| 11:06.23 | aprendiz001 | it is in debian etch |
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| 11:06.32 | aprendiz001 | remote folder |
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| 11:09.08 | andash | Meta: so your plan is basically to add every app that requires root privileges in the sudoers file? |
| 11:09.26 | Meta | No, I just did ALL |
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| 11:10.16 | PiousMinion | I have a drive appear twice on my desktop when I mount it. Anyone know how I might remove the duplicate? |
| 11:10.58 | petemc | PiousMinion: its not in fstab twice? or set to automount via fstab and you manually mount it? |
| 11:11.06 | nullboy | does it have two partitions? |
| 11:11.24 | PiousMinion | none of the above |
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| 11:11.35 | andash | PiousMinion: does it happen with every drive? |
| 11:11.41 | PiousMinion | nope, just the one |
| 11:12.02 | petemc | PiousMinion: do you see it mounted twice in /proc/mounts? |
| 11:12.21 | PiousMinion | nope |
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| 11:12.49 | andash | PiousMinion: what DE/WM are you using? |
| 11:12.51 | themill | PiousMinion: what desktop? |
| 11:13.03 | PiousMinion | I'm using gnome on lenny |
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| 11:14.23 | vaq | Can I somehow unpack a i386 deb package on amd64? "dpkg --unpack" ain't working |
| 11:14.39 | PiousMinion | methinks I've found an interesting issue. |
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| 11:15.44 | petemc | "the mysterious case of the spurious icon" |
| 11:15.51 | petemc | you could always just ignore it |
| 11:16.19 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 11:16.29 | PiousMinion | Yeah, but I like to find out why it happened. |
| 11:17.17 | PiousMinion | I thought there was some meta file that I could delete but I don't see one anywhere. I'm stumped. |
| 11:17.30 | themill | PiousMinion: is this a fresh installation? Does it happen with a new user or only with your current user profile? Such things are normally provoked by a strange local setting, locally loaded applet or config option left over from a previous version |
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| 11:18.13 | doublehp | why would squid cache http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Contents-alpha.gz but not ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Contents-alpha.gz ? |
| 11:18.14 | PiousMinion | themill: this is a very fresh install. I'll try another user and post back in a sec. |
| 11:18.49 | petemc | doublehp: is it configured to proxy ftp? |
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| 11:19.22 | doublehp | petemc: i think so ... not 100% sure |
| 11:19.30 | PiousMinion | themill: same exact issue with brand new user. :/ |
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| 11:33.20 | vchrizz | size of partition on third disk... ;) |
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| 11:33.56 | hellues | !paste |
| 11:33.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 11:57.46 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:57.47 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
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| 11:59.30 | Roksteady | what package do I need for man pages for C API functions, like gethostbyaddr etc etc |
| 12:01.15 | liable | glibc-doc? |
| 12:02.11 | WormFood | manpages-dev |
| 12:02.18 | WormFood | at least it is on sid |
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| 12:03.49 | liable | ah yes, thats the other one i was racking my brain about |
| 12:04.37 | multi_io | why doesn't adduser allow me to add a user whose name is equal to the name of an existing group? Where is this documented? |
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| 12:08.09 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know which debian versions support Intel NIC 82563EB? |
| 12:08.41 | x1250 | someone knows what does [apache-noscript] section in fail2ban refers to? |
| 12:08.55 | x1250 | in jail.conf |
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| 12:09.30 | liable | multi_io: thats a silly idea, as a user automatically adds a group of the same name. why do you think it should let you do that? |
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| 12:14.07 | multi_io | liable: I want that group of the same name to become the user's initial group |
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| 12:14.28 | petemc | multi_io: use useradd |
| 12:14.44 | multi_io | useradd -g name name |
| 12:14.51 | multi_io | yeah, got it |
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| 12:18.15 | multi_io | adduser vs. useradd |
| 12:18.15 | multi_io | so intuitive :-P |
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| 12:28.16 | jon13 | is there any way to get rid of those ugly java style menues in ooo3? I am using lenny and deb packages from oo website. |
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| 12:33.12 | multi_io | there's a package named openoffice.org-gtk which contains gtk+ themeing for OOo 2. Not sure about v3 though |
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| 12:34.31 | nanonyme | Is there a guide for doing the Debian install process manually? (As in, which dpkg-reconfigure's to run to turn a debootstrapped system into a working bootable system) |
| 12:34.44 | jon13 | ok, its not a big thing. Just seem to remember that the ubuntu packages contained a more gnomish look so to speak |
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| 12:35.12 | petemc | nanonyme: the install guide should cover debootstrap |
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| 12:35.45 | nanonyme | Ah, it was just in the misc section. Thanks. :) |
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| 12:38.32 | knoxy | hi all.. what the content to sources.list using sarge? deb http://ftp.debian.org/archive/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free ?? |
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| 12:39.18 | knoxy | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/archive/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free ? |
| 12:39.25 | knoxy | yes.. it works.. |
| 12:39.52 | knoxy | and.. to security.debian.org in sarge? |
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| 12:47.23 | liable | kroddn: sarge is no longer supported by security |
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| 12:47.32 | liable | !archive |
| 12:47.32 | dpkg | archive is, like, a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 12:47.58 | liable | kroddn: see that link, you need to add archive.debian.org to your sources |
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| 12:54.32 | Roksteady | WormFood: thanks man, manpages-dev :) |
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| 12:57.09 | WormFood | no problem, I already had them installed, so it was quick and easy to get dpkg to tell me which package owed that file |
| 12:57.17 | WormFood | owned* |
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| 13:02.56 | webworker | hi |
| 13:03.21 | heroxbd | Hello I have a problem when setting up a pair of DNS primary/slave servers. I guess the hmac-md5 keys are assigned correctly. The log of the slave server says: |
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| 13:03.37 | vchrizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.40 | heroxbd | dumping master file: /etc/bind/tmp-enPLsDtbzU: open: permission denied |
| 13:03.40 | heroxbd | transfer of 'thusast.org/IN' from 166.111.111.194#53: failed while receiving responses: perm |
| 13:03.40 | heroxbd | transfer of 'thusast.org/IN' from 166.111.111.194#53: end of transfer |
| 13:03.49 | enouf | tarzeau: we seem to have the same issue (/lastlog scrollback amount) |
| 13:03.58 | vchrizz | !paste |
| 13:03.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:04.13 | webworker | tar archive - special question: I try to exclude all files of a specific folder but I want to include the folderstructure within the folder, and when I unpack it I want to have the existing folders which are unpacket from the tar completely deleted while unpacking (no mixup of content) but without deleting them before :-) |
| 13:04.23 | heroxbd | vchrizz: Sorry..... 3 > 2 lines.... |
| 13:04.43 | Wesley_ | When I do modprobe --list I only get: /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel/drivers/net/dummy.o |
| 13:04.45 | Wesley_ | why is this? |
| 13:05.02 | enouf | it's not yet a .ko, not yet compiled |
| 13:05.29 | heroxbd | But I can't see any error on the primary server. What could be the "permission" that was denied on my slave DNS server? |
| 13:05.29 | enouf | you get one module? sheesh |
| 13:05.37 | enouf | er, not even one |
| 13:05.40 | Wesley_ | yeah.. |
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| 13:06.12 | enouf | Wesley_: that's not a debian kernel version either .. er .. that says 2.4 :-p |
| 13:06.13 | Wesley_ | iptables -L returns "modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables" "iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)" |
| 13:06.37 | Wesley_ | it indeed is an older kernel; 2.4.20 |
| 13:06.48 | Wesley_ | ah that already was clear hehe. my bad. |
| 13:07.07 | enouf | was it still ipchains then, hrm? |
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| 13:07.48 | tarzeau | enouf: hehe, irssi? |
| 13:07.50 | enouf | man .. i nee more coffee ... ignore all my last comments |
| 13:07.56 | Wesley_ | mm; ipchains: Incompatible with this kernel |
| 13:07.57 | Wesley_ | rr |
| 13:08.06 | heroxbd | It seems that bind failed to creat some file on /etc/bind/? |
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| 13:08.14 | Wesley_ | guess it's time for a kernel upgrade |
| 13:08.40 | enouf | tarzeau: nope, but i have quite a long scrollback - yet, its been many hours, and joins/parts are off, soo |
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| 13:09.40 | vimpulse- | hi all, how do I make my lenny+kde PC automatically do (sudo bash -c 'echo disk >> /sys/power/state') after 4 hours of inactivity? |
| 13:10.02 | liable | 24 modules werent .ko's |
| 13:10.08 | enouf | tarzeau: btw, do you happen to have links2 handy? wanna check a git site for me to see if behaviour is the same? (that need to refresh/reload the page i mentioned, (to follow a redirect?)) |
| 13:10.38 | vimpulse- | or better yet (sudo bash -c 'killall -v firefox-bin && sleep 1m && xmessage "Shutting down in 1 minute." && echo disk >> /sys/power/state') |
| 13:10.39 | enouf | liable: 42 |
| 13:10.53 | liable | 2.4 .. |
| 13:10.57 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 13:15.04 | liable | hmm, gin and coke is a bit funky |
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| 13:16.55 | R` | hi guys, which umask can i use to let a user (apache) create files with full Read/Write/Exec permission for everyone? (777) |
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| 13:17.40 | jelly | R`: 0, but exec still won't be enabled by default |
| 13:17.41 | enouf | vimpulse-: i'd think you'd need to find one of the /etc/acpi/* (?) scripts which is responsible .. wait .. to start the countdown of 4 hours, you want something triggered when you enter this 'inactivity' monitor state? i don't know if kde/qt already has some sort of gui (kcontrol) interface (or even through cli or kdcop) for then adding a script to it .. hrm .. Something somewhere is tracking the time when the monitor goes to sleep |
| 13:17.54 | dustybin | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kernel |
| 13:18.02 | dustybin | no mention of computers? |
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| 13:18.19 | R` | jelly; so how can i make it have exec too? |
| 13:18.33 | vimpulse- | enouf: hmmmm... dunno |
| 13:18.34 | jelly | R`: fix your application. |
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| 13:19.10 | enouf | vimpulse-: although, not necessarily 'monitor inactivity'? Mine is set to sleep/suspend after a few minutes, yet i'm still streaming music, so the entire PC is not considered "inactive" |
| 13:19.21 | enouf | vimpulse-: you should ask #debian-kde perhaps |
| 13:19.25 | vimpulse- | enouf: my monitor seems to suspend after 20 min |
| 13:19.43 | enouf | vimpulse-: that, you can change through kcontrol, if it's enabled |
| 13:19.46 | vimpulse- | enouf: for me, mouse and keyboard inactivity is inactivity |
| 13:19.59 | vimpulse- | enouf: I never ssh. |
| 13:20.05 | enouf | vimpulse-: ok - that's what i thought - but make it clear also |
| 13:20.11 | vimpulse- | I never vnc in either. |
| 13:21.30 | enouf | vimpulse-: right click blank Desktop area > Configure Desktop > Display > Power Control |
| 13:21.48 | enouf | Standby After is the one i set |
| 13:22.21 | enouf | i wonder if the other two; Suspend and Power Off would then shutdown the PC or whatever you want |
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| 13:23.05 | vimpulse- | enouf: for me, "Enable display power management" is not checked. let me look at the help file |
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| 13:24.45 | enouf | vimpulse-: hrm (you might have Option DPMS in your xorg.conf set to specific time? or .. maybe you're doing through nvidia-settings or similar?) - (1st, is that kde 3.x.x or 4.x ?) .. but in 3.x also in kcontrol > |
| 13:25.21 | vimpulse- | enouf: kde 3.x |
| 13:25.59 | enouf | ahh .. i guess a script with using 'xset' and the dpms option would do it after a certain time ... not sure if you can set a time amt in xorg.conf |
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| 13:26.48 | vimpulse- | enouf: I use the open "nv" driver |
| 13:27.02 | enouf | vimpulse-: ok, good, so do i |
| 13:27.13 | vimpulse- | :) |
| 13:27.18 | enouf | vimpulse-: kcontrol > kde components > session manager |
| 13:27.22 | tim|mb | hi all, is it normal that when trying to upgrade from sarge to etch with apt-get dist-upgrade, several debconf selections are resetted? specifically, I get the debconf/frontend question, even though debconf-get-selections tells me it's set before the dist-upgrade... |
| 13:27.45 | enouf | is "Offer shutdown options" ticked? |
| 13:27.46 | vimpulse- | enouf: and? |
| 13:27.51 | vimpulse- | enouf: yes |
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| 13:28.27 | vimpulse- | enouf: When I click K > Log Out..., I see end session, turn off, and restart. |
| 13:28.43 | vimpulse- | enouf: I see no K > Shut Down... option available. |
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| 13:29.02 | enouf | vimpulse-: also in System Administration section > Login Manager > Shutdown - are all users enabled? or atleast the ones you want? |
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| 13:29.27 | vimpulse- | enouf: yes |
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| 13:29.49 | enouf | vimpulse-: Turn Off == Shutdown ;-) |
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| 13:30.09 | vimpulse- | enouf: but I don't want to shut down, just to suspend to disk :) |
| 13:30.24 | liable | tdn: did you read the errata for the upgrade? |
| 13:30.24 | runaeris | do you advise initng and if yes where can i find a debian repository? |
| 13:30.33 | liable | bah |
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| 13:30.51 | liable | tim|mb: did you read the errata for the upgrade? |
| 13:30.52 | vimpulse- | runaeris: why would you want initng |
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| 13:31.21 | tim|mb | liable: no, not yet, will do that |
| 13:31.26 | enouf | vimpulse-: i was just verifying somethings, foremost, upfront .. that's all |
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| 13:31.44 | vimpulse- | enouf: k :) |
| 13:31.53 | liable | tim|mb: i suggest you start reading it for the lenny upgrade to.. |
| 13:32.03 | enouf | vimpulse-: see what i mentioned about the 3 choices in Enable Power Management |
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| 13:32.35 | runaeris | vimpulse i heard it is the next generation init so i was wondering ... |
| 13:32.46 | vimpulse- | runaeris: do you have kids? |
| 13:33.05 | runaeris | no i dont why??? |
| 13:33.09 | vimpulse- | runaeris: a hobby? |
| 13:33.15 | vimpulse- | runaeris: good friends? |
| 13:34.35 | tim|mb | liable: nothing about it in the errata afaics |
| 13:34.37 | vimpulse- | runaeris: if so, do not spend time with initng. spend time with them instead :) |
| 13:34.42 | enouf | vimpulse-: can you pastbin the contents of ls -lR /etc/acpi ? See, if those GUI kcontrol tools don't do what you want, you need to somehow start counting once you enter this inactive 4 hour period - then also modify one of those scripts in /etc/acpi/ (or add one) that runs your script (which contains your commands) |
| 13:35.10 | runaeris | and you ??? what are you doing here? |
| 13:35.21 | vimpulse- | runaeris: wasting time :( |
| 13:35.35 | vimpulse- | enouf: /etc/acpi: events powerbtn.sh ; /etc/acpi/events: powerbtn |
| 13:36.10 | tdn | liable, no :) |
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| 13:36.11 | enouf | runaeris: have you looked also at insserv? that might speed up boot - also, file-rc (but please first understand what it does/changes), though not sure about a booting speedup from using that |
| 13:36.12 | nanonyme | Mental note: never run reboot inside a chroot. |
| 13:36.22 | vimpulse- | nanonyme: wasn't it obvious? |
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| 13:36.34 | vimpulse- | nanonyme: wait. what happened bad? did it not reboot? |
| 13:36.48 | enouf | vimpulse-: is that a laptop or desktop? what does uname -r say? |
| 13:36.51 | vimpulse- | runaeris: do you suspend to disk? |
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| 13:36.56 | nanonyme | vimpulse-: It unmounted all partitions and failed to reboot. |
| 13:37.06 | nanonyme | vimpulse-: So I couldn't use sudo anymore. |
| 13:37.08 | vimpulse- | enouf: 7-year-old desktop. 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 13:37.13 | vimpulse- | nanonyme: :( |
| 13:37.17 | enouf | vimpulse-: mine's 10 :-P |
| 13:37.22 | enouf | vimpulse-: same kernel |
| 13:37.23 | vimpulse- | nanonyme: that was not obvious. |
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| 13:37.42 | enouf | almsot 10 - 9.25 really |
| 13:37.51 | vimpulse- | enouf: :) I bought a new part for my broken newer machine and hope to upgrade any week now. |
| 13:37.55 | nanonyme | vimpulse-: Ah, my mistake. |
| 13:38.00 | nanonyme | It worked perfectly. |
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| 13:38.19 | nanonyme | It was just that I forgot to finalize installation before rebooting. |
| 13:38.21 | enouf | vimpulse-: dpkg -l acpi-support-* | grep ^.i |
| 13:38.45 | vimpulse- | nanonyme: so refinalize now? |
| 13:38.59 | vimpulse- | enouf: No packages found matching acpi-support-*. |
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| 13:39.06 | vimpulse- | nanonyme: dunno how though. |
| 13:39.13 | nanonyme | vimpulse-: I do know how. |
| 13:39.44 | enouf | vimpulse-: i think you might want atleast that acpi-support-* pkg(s) - apt-cache show <pkgname> - see p.d.o or use apt-file list <pkgname> (or dpkg -L once installed) to list files |
| 13:40.00 | enouf | vimpulse-: run update prior to all that |
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| 13:45.01 | vimpulse- | I wish Debian would make like Ubuntu and make this easier :( |
| 13:45.09 | vimpulse- | should I install gnome and gnome-power-manager? |
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| 13:45.51 | elik | vimpulse-, If you wish debian would Ubuntu, why not Ubuntu? |
| 13:46.08 | enouf | vimpulse-: you're already using KDE - you want GNOME as well? |
| 13:46.13 | elik | vimpulse-, if you should install gnome.. it really depends if you want gnome |
| 13:46.13 | vimpulse- | enouf: why not |
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| 13:46.23 | vimpulse- | I like gnome almost as much as KDE |
| 13:46.23 | enouf | vimpulse-: conflicts of bloat? |
| 13:46.25 | elik | same goes for power-manager |
| 13:46.29 | vimpulse- | enouf: nah |
| 13:46.45 | vimpulse- | elik: I prefer debian, because it has a "testing" repo. |
| 13:46.47 | Smart1234 | can anyone of you rate this website and give suggestion on content navigation ui etc. Website URL is www.inditeit.com |
| 13:46.52 | enouf | so use both .. why are you asking us? |
| 13:46.57 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: what is your financial insterest? |
| 13:47.03 | vimpulse- | elik: also debian is less buggy |
| 13:47.14 | Smart1234 | I have no interest but i will suggestion |
| 13:47.19 | elik | vimpulse-, you are using testing... |
| 13:47.20 | Smart1234 | get |
| 13:47.20 | enouf | i meant gnome + kde - not debian + it's mutatn offspring |
| 13:47.33 | vimpulse- | elik: yes |
| 13:47.35 | elik | vimpulse-, plus release packages on Ubuntu are more recent than debian |
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| 13:47.47 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: so you do not get any money from the site? |
| 13:47.50 | enouf | Smart1234: try #debian-chat for starters |
| 13:47.57 | Smart1234 | I get money from ads |
| 13:48.05 | Smart1234 | if someone clicks it |
| 13:48.07 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: oh. ask in #web and tell them that. |
| 13:48.12 | Smart1234 | ok |
| 13:48.13 | enouf | not here! though Smart1234 |
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| 13:48.20 | Smart1234 | ok |
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| 13:48.35 | elik | if you have debian quesitons, on the other end... |
| 13:48.42 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: do you use debian? |
| 13:48.49 | Smart1234 | no |
| 13:48.53 | enouf | heh |
| 13:48.58 | vimpulse- | so why did you ask here? |
| 13:49.08 | Smart1234 | I wanted some feedback thats all |
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| 13:49.26 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: what OS do you use? |
| 13:49.30 | enouf | vimpulse-: let it go please.. allow them to go elsewhere |
| 13:49.33 | Smart1234 | Windows |
| 13:49.45 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: how do you even know debian exists? :) |
| 13:50.03 | vimpulse- | enouf: ok :) |
| 13:50.07 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: never mind |
| 13:50.19 | vimpulse- | enouf: i had just been curious how a windows user got here. |
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| 13:50.32 | Smart1234 | I was surfing to find a channel with enough members so taht atleast someone gives suggetsion |
| 13:50.49 | craigevil | elik: not true of all packages, I have quite a few packages that are newer than what ubuntu uses, and once lenny is released most of the packages in unstable will once again be newer than what ubunut uses |
| 13:51.08 | enouf | craigevil: indeed |
| 13:51.12 | elik | craigevil, right |
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| 13:51.45 | craigevil | the only time ubuntu has "newer" packages is during a freeze or if you compare stable to ubuntu |
| 13:51.56 | vimpulse- | Smart1234: next time, when you are not sure what channel you need, please try #freenode. Also please do not ask off-topic questions in any channel. |
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| 13:56.40 | Fox_1_ | Hi people |
| 13:56.58 | vimpulse- | Fox_1_: hi |
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| 13:59.17 | Fox_1_ | I have such kind of problem. I'm using Debian lenny (KDE) on Compaq nx7400 and when I press ctrl+shift my left, right and delete buttons doesn't work :) after that I'm pressing ctrl+shift multiple times and they are starting to work. how can I check what is changing after ctrl+shift? |
| 13:59.18 | kolpur | how can i change the browser in evolution email client ? i mean when i click on url links they are opening in epiphany, i want to change it to firefox |
| 13:59.31 | kolpur | anyone please help me out |
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| 14:00.56 | vimpulse- | Fox_1_: maybe your keyboard layout? |
| 14:02.35 | enouf | Fox_1_: xmodmap -ppk or similar - also xev |
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| 14:03.09 | Fox_1_ | vimpulse-: you mean Control Center->Keyboard Layout->Xkb Options (disabled)? |
| 14:03.18 | enouf | Fox_1_: oh wait - when try hitting the Insert key when your other buttons don't work |
| 14:03.25 | enouf | s/when// |
| 14:03.43 | enouf | !insert |
| 14:03.43 | dpkg | from memory, insert is Question; "why did the up and down arrow keys stop working on my ttys all of a sudden? they wont respond and show command history or anything. but the keys work fine in X" -- Answer is--> hit the Insert key to clear it up - seems to affect 2.6.26-1-686 Debian kernels.. NEWS: The insert problem is fixed in 2.6.26-7 |
| 14:03.45 | smacnay | kolpur: you might need to change the settings in gnome |
| 14:03.59 | enouf | not sure if that's your issue - but .. also /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:04.00 | vimpulse- | Fox_1_: no, i mean "is ctrl+shift causing your keyboard layout to change"? |
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| 14:04.31 | Fox_1_ | no, keyboard layout change is disabled |
| 14:04.35 | smacnay | kolpur: go to "System - Preferences - Preferred Applications" and change the default browser there. That will make use of whichever browser you want across Gnome. |
| 14:04.41 | Fox_1_ | for KDE Control Center |
| 14:04.53 | Fox_1_ | if there is other place I don't know |
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| 14:05.27 | enouf | oh wait - not if you ran .. er, dpkg-reconfigure console-setup{tools} (is it?) |
| 14:05.41 | vimpulse- | Fox_1_: then listen to enouf :) |
| 14:05.52 | Fox_1_ | the problem isn't console |
| 14:06.11 | Fox_1_ | it doesn't work anywhere |
| 14:06.11 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 14:07.00 | enouf | i recall 4 major choices there concerning keyboard mappings/keymap/layout - but that might be almost solely Console related, not X - use showkey for console, and xev for X to see what's being sent when pressed |
| 14:07.12 | enouf | how's your xorg.conf? |
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| 14:07.23 | enouf | i have custom mapping options in there |
| 14:07.31 | kombi | what do I view binary files with on cmd line? |
| 14:07.31 | enouf | mainly for CapLock |
| 14:07.50 | enouf | kombi: strings? hexeditor? objdump? readelf? |
| 14:08.07 | enouf | what info do you want to see? |
| 14:08.12 | Fox_1_ | Section "InputDevice" |
| 14:08.12 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.12 | Fox_1_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.12 | Fox_1_ | EndSection |
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| 14:08.20 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:08.24 | kombi | enouf: output of tcpdump actually, don't want to install hefty ethereal |
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| 14:08.37 | enouf | wireshark |
| 14:08.39 | Fox_1_ | sorry for flood :( |
| 14:08.48 | kombi | good one..! |
| 14:08.52 | abrotman | Fox_1_: paste.debian.net |
| 14:09.06 | Fox_1_ | I know :) |
| 14:09.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.42 | kombi | there's rumour that good old less reads binary files, just don't know how.. |
| 14:09.50 | enouf | kombi: i was stating ethereal became wireshark (IIRC) |
| 14:10.09 | kombi | enouf: true.. |
| 14:10.22 | Fox_1_ | enouf: is it ok for compaq nx7400 keyboard? |
| 14:10.22 | enouf | kombi: reads how? you mean zless? or .. |
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| 14:11.04 | kombi | enouf: didn't know about zless.. |
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| 14:11.14 | enouf | Fox_1_: i have no idea, but i was showing my options only, that's not going to do anything for your issue (atleast not those exact options) |
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| 14:12.17 | fmr | is someone know why disk access slow down my system, mouse lag... ? |
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| 14:12.48 | enouf | fmr: swapping much? |
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| 14:13.10 | fmr | enouf: sometimes its because swap but sometimes not |
| 14:13.11 | enouf | fmr: if not, maybe nice X a bit higher |
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| 14:13.21 | fmr | ? |
| 14:13.25 | enouf | fmr: or try other io schedulers |
| 14:13.31 | Fox_1_ | enouf: thank you, I think it's help :) |
| 14:13.40 | fmr | I don't understand |
| 14:14.27 | fmr | for exemple I'm copying some data to a mounted ftp using curlftps, and my compute slow down |
| 14:14.39 | vimpulse- | fmr: how much RAM do you have? |
| 14:14.42 | fmr | 1Go |
| 14:14.45 | fmr | Gb* |
| 14:14.54 | vimpulse- | fmr: buy more? :) |
| 14:15.00 | vimpulse- | www.ebay.fr |
| 14:15.00 | fmr | later |
| 14:15.30 | fmr | its DDR1, I wait, I will change motherboard cpu... |
| 14:15.39 | fmr | but it will not slow down with 1Gb |
| 14:16.15 | vimpulse- | fmr: do not change the motherboard and cpu. Just give the computer to a poor friend. Then buy a new one :) |
| 14:16.15 | fmr | maybee nforce 4 are not correctly supported ? |
| 14:16.26 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt |
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| 14:16.52 | fmr | vimpulse-: Give me money... I wait for intel core i7 better price :) |
| 14:17.15 | fmr | but It will not slow down... |
| 14:17.40 | fmr | when I do similar task on windows for example it dont slow down |
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| 14:17.46 | vimpulse- | fmr: buy a used computer then. They are cheap. Try www.craigslist.com french section |
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| 14:18.05 | vimpulse- | fmr: ok. here is money: $$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 14:18.06 | enouf | fmr: are you using Lenny? |
| 14:18.07 | vimpulse- | :)( |
| 14:18.07 | fmr | so I think that is a configuration problem |
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| 14:18.24 | fmr | enouf yes Lenny, but it was the same problem on opensuse |
| 14:18.31 | enouf | fmr: install iotop if so, watch/use it, otherwise man vmstat, man top, install htop even |
| 14:19.05 | fmr | ok |
| 14:19.24 | fmr | kwin and xorg take lot of cpu... |
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| 14:19.51 | enouf | fmr: could be - Debian kernels are set HZ=250 or thereabouts, IINM - Desktops usually want HZ=1000, as a timer interrupt setting, but .. then there's the PREEMPT settings, and I/O Scheduler settings too |
| 14:19.53 | vimpulse- | fmr: use xfce? |
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| 14:20.12 | Tetracomm | Hello. |
| 14:20.16 | fmr | vimpulse-: kde 4.1.3 |
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| 14:20.39 | amikrop | Hello. How can I install Python 2.5.x in Debian etch? |
| 14:21.01 | fmr | enouf: its a boot parameter ? |
| 14:21.05 | enouf | 1G isn't all that much these days, though you say it happens when not even swapping - do you turn swapoff ? Note; apps might start crashing if you do that |
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| 14:21.48 | enouf | fmr: yes, and no - boot param not needed - for the io scheduler changing , for HZ= you need to recompile |
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| 14:21.51 | enouf | the kernel |
| 14:21.56 | fmr | 1G is enought for many things |
| 14:21.59 | Tetracomm | I downloaded the source code of a program and would like to determine what it's dependencies are. How do I? |
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| 14:22.36 | nsadmin | Eliteslave: tias? |
| 14:22.43 | enouf | fmr: i know 1G is - i've gotten by on much less for many years ;-) |
| 14:23.08 | enouf | fmr: but much software .. er .. has some 'extra weight' if you know what i mean :-p |
| 14:23.09 | x1250 | Tetracomm, take a look at the INSTALL or README file, or the program website. Or, try compiling it, and see what the error is... |
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| 14:23.40 | fmr | enouf: Yes, but I do nothing that require lot of memory, just a stupid file copy |
| 14:23.50 | Tetracomm | Thank you. |
| 14:24.02 | enouf | fmr: i listed the things i'd try - basically in that order |
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| 14:24.34 | enouf | fmr: there's the vm.swappiness tunable as well - but .. well, that likely won't affect lag of mouse when heavy disk i/o is going |
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| 14:25.15 | Gigantic | :O OpenDNS restrict access to .lu |
| 14:25.28 | enouf | fmr: seriously, renice X so it get's a higher prior - like set it from 0 to say -5 or -10 even .. for a while |
| 14:25.37 | enouf | s/prior/priority |
| 14:26.00 | Gigantic | recomended nice of X is -10 |
| 14:26.13 | vimpulse- | Gigantic: really? |
| 14:26.14 | enouf | Gigantic: not in debian, iinm |
| 14:26.28 | jelly | Gigantic: that's an obsolete recommendation for kernels 2.6.23+ |
| 14:26.41 | Gigantic | yeah, just saw that like two months ago when seting up this Etch |
| 14:26.43 | fmr | enouf: renice ? |
| 14:26.48 | enouf | in Sarge installer, i recall an offering of setting that up upon installation.. yeah |
| 14:26.53 | enouf | fmr: man renice |
| 14:27.03 | enouf | man ionice even :-P |
| 14:27.09 | Gigantic | outdated info then maybe |
| 14:27.16 | fmr | ok |
| 14:28.17 | enouf | fmr: the core issue is likely mostly the CONFIG_HZ_250=y setting |
| 14:28.24 | Gigantic | ORSN is down too?! |
| 14:28.27 | x1250 | anyone knows why would proftpd.log is being spammed by |
| 14:28.27 | x1250 | Jan 12 11:15:37 www.empresaenlinea.cl proftpd[21656] localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]): FTP session opened. |
| 14:28.28 | x1250 | Jan 12 11:15:37 www.empresaenlinea.cl proftpd[21656] localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]): FTP session closed. |
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| 14:28.33 | Gigantic | wth is going on in my world |
| 14:28.34 | x1250 | type of messages? |
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| 14:29.19 | enouf | hrm, my Debian .26-1-686 also has a CONFIG_HZ=250 |
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| 14:31.18 | stew | enouf: does its being tickless make that meaningless? |
| 14:31.19 | fmr | hum |
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| 14:32.56 | vimpulse- | is there the equivalent of gnome-power-manager for KDE 3.x? |
| 14:33.31 | Gigantic | kpowersave |
| 14:33.41 | Gigantic | actually it does much more as usual |
| 14:33.51 | vimpulse- | installs it |
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| 14:36.33 | Gigantic | dns = Evil |
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| 14:37.12 | newsense | encrypted lvm=evil |
| 14:37.29 | fmr | enouf: thank you |
| 14:37.54 | enouf | stew: no, tickless doesn't affect the HZ= setting, AFAIK - but there is/was discussion about all that |
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| 14:38.32 | jelly | tickles stew |
| 14:38.36 | newsense | hey i reinstalled last night to setup encrypted lvm and when i boot or halt the system i get an error saying it couldnt find the lvm group twice, is this normal ? |
| 14:38.52 | enouf | stew: if that's what you meant about the CONFIG_NO_HZ=y setting |
| 14:39.23 | Gigantic | anyone here i Luxemburg? :P |
| 14:39.27 | vimpulse- | Gigantic: why? |
| 14:39.42 | Gigantic | I need to know what's up with a site |
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| 14:39.52 | Gigantic | opendns restric it god know why |
| 14:39.57 | Gigantic | echo.lu |
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| 14:40.19 | mutante | oops "CVE-2008-2230 Untrusted search path vulnerability in (1) reportbug..." |
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| 14:40.31 | mutante | gotta love it, when there are bugs in the bugreporting software ;) |
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| 14:41.14 | Gigantic | I hate the idea of anyone controling my comunication... even if it is to see the smurffs in luxemburgian :) |
| 14:41.19 | enouf | stew: the dynamic tick (tickless) is for controlling putting the cpu in a sleep state (cstate?) when there's nothing to do, but when it's awake, the HZ= is what the timer interrupt amt/frequency would be - but there was some talk about how cpufreq scaling could/might affect all those mentioned - tricky stuff |
| 14:41.20 | vimpulse- | mutante: :) |
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| 14:42.14 | newsense | is the defauld lennt initrd supposed to have usb drivers ? |
| 14:42.26 | jelly | Gigantic: there seems to be no A record for "echo.lu", but "www.echo.lu" exists |
| 14:42.28 | stew | enouf: ahh, right |
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| 14:43.19 | Gigantic | jelly: jelly rite |
| 14:43.26 | enouf | stew: as fas as there being two separate 250 config settings, i guess they've just exploded the amount of options, i'm sure for good reason, but i'm not sure why .. yet |
| 14:44.00 | Gigantic | jelly: ping www.echo.lu nothing, dns look up in the .lu doman reply, domain exist |
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| 14:45.34 | Gigantic | wonder igf a google dns would be less evil... |
| 14:45.35 | enouf | stew: as to my cpufreq scaling comment; throw into that mix; VMs, SMP on multiple cores, scalability of each core (or socket), hotplugging CPUs, taskset and affinity, and you've got some serious thinking to do ;-) |
| 14:46.08 | enouf | oh, and ACPI sleep states, etc :-p |
| 14:46.45 | path__ | Jan 12 11:45:23 wookpad jsvc.exec[12125]: Cannot find any VM in Java Home /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.16 |
| 14:46.46 | path__ | any ideas ? |
| 14:46.59 | enouf | throws numa=fake into the mix, just for bonus points |
| 14:47.10 | path__ | ii sun-java5-jdk 1.5.0-16-3 Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 |
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| 14:47.16 | tarzeau | enouf: yes i got links2 |
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| 14:47.45 | path__ | JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.16 |
| 14:47.48 | path__ | I'm on debian sid amd64 |
| 14:47.56 | enouf | tarzeau: let me toss out a url, one sec .. anyone of the gits though http://git.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=62695a84eb8f2e718bf4dfb21700afaa7a08e0ea |
| 14:48.12 | newsense | i installed last night and setup encrypted lvm and when i boot i get 2 errors complaining the lvm group cant be found than i get dropped to the password prompt but at that point i have no usb drivers for some reason so i have to plug in a ps2 kbd ideas ? |
| 14:48.24 | enouf | tarzeau: are you in GUI mode? (i am, i haven't tested in TUI mode yet) |
| 14:48.27 | themill | path__: update-java-alternatives ; btw why not use java6 instead? |
| 14:48.45 | themill | path__: and you shouldn't need to set JAVA_HOME for anything within debian. |
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| 14:49.44 | tarzeau | enouf: i use both, what should i test? |
| 14:50.04 | tarzeau | enouf: git page is rendered, should i click stuff? |
| 14:50.13 | enouf | tarzeau: when i open that URL in links2 -g i must reload the page to see the content |
| 14:50.17 | tarzeau | enouf: text works fine too |
| 14:50.23 | enouf | tarzeau: one sec .. |
| 14:50.26 | tarzeau | enouf: not me, which version of links2 ? |
| 14:50.51 | enouf | tarzeau: all i see is "Generating..." .. until i reload |
| 14:51.01 | enouf | tarzeau: i can hit \ and see the HTML/etc |
| 14:51.08 | enouf | which is much more text |
| 14:51.08 | path__ | themill, I tried update-java-alternatives and didn't work. I'm installing java6 right now. |
| 14:51.12 | tarzeau | enouf: strange |
| 14:51.20 | path__ | themill, why I shouldn't? |
| 14:51.30 | themill | path__: moreover, starting gnu java with a JAVA_HOME that points to sun java is going to end badly |
| 14:51.56 | path__ | doh |
| 14:51.56 | enouf | tarzeau: i'm wondering which setting might affect that |
| 14:51.56 | enouf | tarzeau: Installed: 2.1pre28-1 |
| 14:51.56 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.09 | enouf | tarzeau: i use sid in my sources.list |
| 14:52.15 | tarzeau | enouf: i got 2.1pre37-1.1 |
| 14:52.21 | pif | path__: install openjdk-6-jre |
| 14:52.23 | tarzeau | enouf: let me test with sid |
| 14:52.24 | enouf | tarzeau: but .. i very selectively upgrade things |
| 14:52.57 | tarzeau | enouf: works also ok here |
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| 14:54.30 | enouf | tarzeau: here's the html text i see when i hit \ (view as text) http://paste.debian.net/25811/plain/25811 |
| 14:54.58 | enouf | tarzeau: could it be a javascript setting perhaps? i think i've tried all possible combos |
| 14:55.00 | tarzeau | enouf: no idea really |
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| 14:55.07 | tarzeau | enouf: javascript is not in anymore |
| 14:55.10 | enouf | tarzeau: i see - ok, i'll keep digging |
| 14:55.14 | eptalon | heyas.. |
| 14:55.20 | enouf | tarzeau: wait, what? |
| 14:55.26 | eptalon | tarzeau: hello, had a nice holidays? |
| 14:55.28 | tarzeau | enouf: there's no more javascript by upstream |
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| 14:55.38 | tarzeau | eptalon: hello, i don't remember you, but yes i had great holidays. |
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| 14:55.45 | enouf | scurries to the changelogs ... |
| 14:55.58 | eptalon | tarzeau: was usually on as ribnitz... |
| 14:56.06 | tarzeau | eptalon: ah that robert, yes |
| 14:56.14 | tarzeau | eptalon: where are you nowadays? and what up to? |
| 14:56.26 | bolt-work | foo |
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| 14:56.40 | eptalon | tarzeau: Well, I am writing papers, and then I'll be looking for jobs. |
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| 14:57.04 | tarzeau | eptalon: that's good. what kind of job, in what geographical area? |
| 14:57.11 | enouf | tarzeau: when you hit \ (and highlight any html text and paste it) are all \n ignored as it is here? |
| 14:57.32 | tarzeau | enouf: no idea, but your paste was unreadable with the horrible firefox browser (one long line) |
| 14:57.35 | eptalon | Anyone: whats a "normal" recovery speed to expect from a softraid 5 - Mine is currently doing 50-60mb/sec.. |
| 14:57.37 | enouf | tarzeau: and which ARCH are you using links2 on? |
| 14:57.43 | enouf | tarzeau: correct |
| 14:57.51 | eptalon | tarzeau: IT, all over switzerland. |
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| 14:57.57 | tarzeau | enouf: amd64 generally, but also powerpc, sparc and i386 |
| 14:57.59 | enouf | it's always one-long line |
| 14:58.15 | enouf | ok, so atleast some x86 .. i see |
| 14:58.17 | tarzeau | enouf: not if you make save as, unless the original document IS without newlines |
| 14:58.38 | enouf | righto - i mean for general using a pastebin |
| 14:58.43 | enouf | generally |
| 14:58.56 | newsense | so anyone know why i might not have usb drivers loaded before i enter my encryption passphrase at boot ? |
| 14:59.21 | eekee | what on earth? I open up a html file in vim (fresh install of debian) and where in other distros I'd either have syntax highlighting or no highlighting, in debian it's got red bits all over. white on red. |
| 14:59.40 | Gigantic | newsense: set usbcore to be loaded in the init |
| 15:00.03 | enouf | tarzeau: the one-long-line works out good for copying text from any web site, or file:// doc info and pasting it into irc ;-) but weirdly, Konsole (k xterm) does retain all the \n and floods :-P |
| 15:00.10 | Gigantic | eekee: set them up |
| 15:00.19 | newsense | Gigantic, add a new init script like modprobe usbcore ? |
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| 15:00.44 | pif | eekee: install vim, you have vim-tiny |
| 15:00.52 | enouf | tarzeau: other browsers, such as konqsout and midori also retain all the \n when copying/pasting |
| 15:00.52 | eekee | pif: ah. cheers :D |
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| 15:01.34 | Gigantic | newsense: no... initrd |
| 15:01.43 | newsense | Gigantic, how though ? |
| 15:01.48 | enouf | newsense: actually, you could do that in your initrd |
| 15:01.52 | newsense | i was trying to figure it out last night |
| 15:01.58 | Gigantic | newsense: lemme remember... |
| 15:02.03 | enouf | newsense: it's already there for powerpc|ps3 ARCH |
| 15:02.26 | newsense | enouf, im on x86 now |
| 15:02.38 | Tekno | how can I get rid of checker board during xorg startup |
| 15:02.43 | newsense | enouf, i always thought the initrd had usb already for some reason |
| 15:02.47 | enouf | newsense: i think you could just add i386 to that list - but, it also might be there for Booting from only |
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| 15:03.11 | enouf | newsense: i thought so too - however, i recently looked inside my debian .26 one |
| 15:03.12 | Meta | Yay! Debian has quartered my load average compared to Ubuntu. :D |
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| 15:03.45 | eekee | pif: already have vim. :( |
| 15:03.52 | Gigantic | Meta: WindowsXP boots even faster! |
| 15:03.55 | Gigantic | ducks |
| 15:04.01 | Meta | Haha. |
| 15:04.04 | eekee | rofl |
| 15:04.08 | Meta | XP wouldn't work in this laptop. |
| 15:04.09 | newsense | enouf, and cryptsetup has a script to add akey to a usb drive to use instead of the crypto passphrase another reason i thought the initrd would have usb already |
| 15:04.29 | Meta | Not without using crappy generic drivers, anyway. :P |
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| 15:04.33 | enouf | newsense: but, sure, you could also add either a /modprobe.d/ file - or if the kernel config option =y, then append a usbcore.<option>=1 to your kernel lines |
| 15:04.49 | eptalon | Meta: Load avg. dont mean much. |
| 15:05.27 | Meta | eptalon: It is still be able to be used as a meter. In Ubuntu, my load used to hover around 1.20 with the same programs open as I have now |
| 15:05.42 | Meta | My load average is now approximately 0.30 |
| 15:05.46 | newsense | enouf, sounds interesting ill have to look into that |
| 15:05.46 | enouf | Gigantic: do you have any idea how fast the win98 desktop comes up from cold booting my p150? |
| 15:05.48 | Gigantic | damn, so much since I haven't deal with the initrd... I forgot |
| 15:05.49 | bolt-work | Meta: then you were running something heavy |
| 15:06.00 | Meta | bolt-work: Running the same stuff. |
| 15:06.02 | enouf | newsense: info http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L1 |
| 15:06.10 | Gigantic | enouf: no clue |
| 15:06.14 | Meta | Probably the extra junk that Ubuntu loads |
| 15:06.15 | bolt-work | Meta: if it was the same stuff, the distro wouldn't matter |
| 15:06.16 | newsense | enouf, is it normal for the lvm group to not be found twice than get dropped to the passphrase line ? |
| 15:06.17 | enouf | Gigantic: 20 seconds |
| 15:06.32 | newsense | enouf, does it when i boot or halt the system |
| 15:06.34 | enouf | newsense: hrm .. no idea really |
| 15:06.39 | newsense | dam |
| 15:06.42 | Meta | bolt-work: Probably the extra junk. This was a net install of Debian with a base system and then I chose my own things. |
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| 15:07.28 | bolt-work | Meta: well you could have just uninstalled the extra junk. but a self-made setup is always better |
| 15:07.29 | newsense | man this blows |
| 15:07.35 | enouf | newsense: perhaps it's trying to netboot or some other methods prior? or .. it's waiting/needing to load the dm and crypt modules before / is found and can be mounted? |
| 15:07.54 | newsense | maybe --quiet and ill never have to see it again |
| 15:07.56 | Meta | bolt-work: Yes, but much of that junk was essential to the desktop, so I'd have to completely unscrew it and throw out the parts I didn't need. Better off this way. |
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| 15:08.01 | enouf | newsense: many times, you can pause/sleep devices, or use rootwait or whatever it might be |
| 15:08.06 | newsense | i hate seeing error messages |
| 15:08.22 | Gigantic | newsense: aha! mkinitrd --preload=usbcore --preload=usb-storage --preload=usb_hid |
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| 15:08.43 | enouf | newsense: i meant rootdelay= |
| 15:08.43 | newsense | really |
| 15:09.12 | newsense | man i never knew encrypted lvm ws going to turn into this nightmare ahaha |
| 15:09.12 | Gigantic | I might be wrong with the module names tho |
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| 15:09.19 | enouf | newsense: man modconf if you want to mess with that - mkinitrd is old, use mkinitramfs, but if you're using debian, man update-initramfs |
| 15:09.28 | solid_liq | ping |
| 15:09.33 | Gigantic | pong |
| 15:09.40 | solid_liq | thanks |
| 15:09.41 | newsense | thanks Gigantic enouf |
| 15:09.41 | Meta | It's just a song about ping pong |
| 15:09.54 | Gigantic | !ping |
| 15:09.55 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:09.58 | newsense | ill have to ponder for a while about what i want to do while i read |
| 15:10.09 | eptalon | So people, whats a "normal" rebuild speed for current SATA-II hdds in softraid 5? |
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| 15:10.24 | Gigantic | newsense: http://www.simonf.com/usb/ |
| 15:10.29 | Gigantic | has some alternatives |
| 15:10.35 | enouf | eptalon: there's a setting you can echo to a /proc/sys/../../ file IIRC to speed it up |
| 15:10.38 | newsense | i really want to know why the lvm group is reported to not be found twice than all of a sudden i get the password prompt |
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| 15:11.03 | enouf | maybe it's /sys/block/../../ |
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| 15:11.10 | Gigantic | lvm can't be found because it is encrypted? |
| 15:11.21 | newsense | i have the system backed up already and i really dont want to spend too much time fixing the usb boot thing if my partitions are unstable or something |
| 15:11.23 | Gigantic | until it is unlucked it really doesn't exist |
| 15:11.31 | enouf | newsense: does your initrd contain all the support needed? |
| 15:11.35 | newsense | so it shoul;d give that error |
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| 15:11.51 | enouf | newsense: dm, crypt, loop, etc? |
| 15:11.52 | newsense | enouf, i have no clue its a stock 2.6.26 kernel |
| 15:12.13 | Gigantic | lenny? |
| 15:12.17 | enouf | newsense: well, check ;-) and see /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 15:12.22 | newsense | i did however do an expert install and choose for the customized kernel |
| 15:12.23 | eptalon | newsense: stock 2.6.26 should boot form usb. |
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| 15:12.34 | newsense | i think that may be why |
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| 15:13.10 | newsense | brb gotta take my meds |
| 15:13.11 | enouf | newsense: i think you can peek at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules or something to see, i just cp my initrd somewhere then run zcat initrd.img-version | cpio -i and look |
| 15:13.12 | eptalon | enouf: current speed is about 60M/s |
| 15:13.21 | enouf | eptalon: not too shabby :-p |
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| 15:13.45 | eptalon | enouf: wouldn't I get several hundreds, with hw raid? |
| 15:14.05 | enouf | eptalon: i thought you said softraid, mdadm? |
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| 15:14.22 | Gigantic | can I force tyhe 32 bit version of java to be installed instead of the 64 bit one? |
| 15:14.24 | eptalon | enouf: softraid, mdadm. |
| 15:14.35 | pif | Timing buffered disk reads: 744 MB in 3.00 seconds = 247.91 MB/sec |
| 15:14.39 | enouf | eptalon: oh, to compare with? well - not sure |
| 15:15.16 | eptalon | Gigantic: does the 64 bit one not work? |
| 15:15.33 | Gigantic | eptalon: no |
| 15:15.44 | Gigantic | well yes, but not with everything |
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| 15:16.04 | eptalon | pif: I dont want to make you miserable; but a) thats buffered b) such tests rarely reflect real world. |
| 15:16.23 | pif | eptalon: what tool do you use? |
| 15:16.32 | eptalon | pif: mdadm. |
| 15:16.41 | pif | to measure speed |
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| 15:17.05 | eekee | tears out vim & installs elvis-console. yay for package choice |
| 15:17.18 | eptalon | pif: As I said, my raid crashed, and I wanted a "ballpark".. |
| 15:17.26 | newsense | enouf, heh the modules file has no modules listed so i should be able to add usb there right |
| 15:17.36 | enouf | eptalon: actually - this is rather odd - Timing buffered disk reads: 50 MB in 3.05 seconds = 16.38 MB/sec <-- for my older udma2 HDD, and yet, i know i can get 20M/sec when using dd with bs=4M option |
| 15:18.35 | Gigantic | I'll figure out after work, |
| 15:18.35 | enouf | newsense: yes, but note, an init script calls/loads them - but .. it's unclear to me when and how the kernel looks there (and modporobe.d/filename) for options, and such |
| 15:18.40 | Gigantic | !when |
| 15:18.40 | dpkg | Now! |
| 15:18.45 | Gigantic | !really? |
| 15:18.45 | dpkg | yes, gigantic |
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| 15:19.04 | eptalon | enouf: As I said, those "buffered read" tests mean little. |
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| 15:19.16 | newsense | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules.d is empty |
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| 15:19.27 | enouf | eptalon: Cached reads are way off :-P |
| 15:19.29 | enouf | Timing cached reads: 172 MB in 2.00 seconds = 85.97 MB/sec |
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| 15:19.47 | enouf | newsense: modules, not modules.d |
| 15:19.56 | eptalon | enouf: my recovery speed dropped to 53 |
| 15:20.08 | enouf | newsense: ls -l /usr/share/initramfs-tools |
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| 15:20.30 | newsense | i told ya the file has no modules listed |
| 15:20.31 | enouf | eptalon: inner parts of platters? :-P |
| 15:20.42 | newsense | well it has snd_core and raid i think but commented |
| 15:20.44 | enouf | no, that's not what you said |
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| 15:20.51 | eptalon | enouf: RAID5, adding a disk (partition) |
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| 15:21.30 | enouf | newsense: i thought up there, you meant /etc/modules |
| 15:21.37 | newsense | no |
| 15:21.39 | nsadmin | what makes raid5 not good for rdbms type stuff? |
| 15:21.44 | enouf | well .. wt4x! |
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| 15:22.08 | enouf | newsense: then ignore what i said about an init script calling/loading them |
| 15:22.24 | newsense | ok i think i got it now anyways |
| 15:22.56 | enouf | you should look at /etc/modules 1st .. as modconf mentions as well |
| 15:22.59 | newsense | im sure if i add the modules i need to that file and run update-initramfs it will work |
| 15:23.12 | eptalon | nsadmin: All depends on system load, but generally, DBs access data randomly. |
| 15:23.19 | pif | nsadmin: raid5 is fragile, sync'ing a new partition will likely trigger a bad sector and hose your raid |
| 15:23.21 | newsense | and the error about the lvm group does seem plausible its due to the encryption |
| 15:23.54 | pif | raid6 is way safer for production stuff |
| 15:24.08 | pif | or raid1 |
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| 15:24.13 | eptalon | pif: but wastes more disk. |
| 15:24.16 | enouf | you might need even more, like /hooks, or /scripts |
| 15:24.38 | nsadmin | ok, so rdbms is generally random-access... does raid5 perform badly when doing random accesses? |
| 15:24.39 | eptalon | pif: As to usabler capacity, RAID6 is (n-2)*size of disk |
| 15:24.41 | vimpulse- | nsadmin: what is your backup strategy? |
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| 15:24.44 | pif | eptalon: did you miss the 'inexpensive' in R.A.I.D. ? :) |
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| 15:24.53 | nsadmin | I don't have a raid :) |
| 15:25.28 | eptalon | pif: ..compared to what? |
| 15:25.41 | pif | to downtime |
| 15:25.42 | enouf | would opt for raid10 :-p |
| 15:25.50 | nsadmin | eptalon: compared to expensive devices? |
| 15:26.11 | nsadmin | scsi was considered inexpensive at the time |
| 15:26.20 | enouf | ... |
| 15:26.21 | eptalon | nsadmin: SAS.. |
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| 15:26.53 | enouf | that's like saying RDRAM was inexpensive |
| 15:27.25 | pif | dudes, downtime is expensive |
| 15:27.28 | newsense | enouf, update-initramfs -u linux-image-$(uname -r) that should do it right ? |
| 15:27.31 | pif | end of story |
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| 15:27.35 | eptalon | Its all a question of how much you value one min of downtime. |
| 15:27.44 | nsadmin | pif: that depends on what's up :) |
| 15:27.46 | newsense | or is there anything else i have to do ? |
| 15:27.49 | eptalon | pif: true. |
| 15:27.53 | enouf | newsense: pretty much - which modules did you add |
| 15:27.55 | pif | nsadmin: sure :) |
| 15:27.57 | newsense | never tried modifying an initrd before |
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| 15:28.01 | newsense | usbcore |
| 15:28.02 | enouf | newsense: er .. add a -k to that? |
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| 15:28.06 | enouf | newsense: that's all? |
| 15:28.08 | newsense | just want to see if it loads it |
| 15:28.11 | newsense | just for now |
| 15:28.14 | enouf | ok |
| 15:28.15 | enouf | go |
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| 15:28.34 | enouf | if you feed it a kernel-version, you also add -k, IIRC |
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| 15:29.15 | enouf | otherwise, it should update the current one, no need for either -u , nor -k, iinm |
| 15:29.32 | eptalon | pif: in my experience I haven't seen linux give the uptime required; RAID is a step in the right dir, but its just one step. |
| 15:29.59 | eptalon | btw: 2.6.27 packaged yet? |
| 15:30.05 | pif | eptalon: i have very high uptime debian raid servers |
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| 15:30.24 | nsadmin | howbout 2.6.28? |
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| 15:30.31 | pif | but then again i like to upgrade kernels often |
| 15:30.43 | enouf | Nighteye: just a note; dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) also does some initrd updating, but i've been told to use the updtae-initramfs method for ensuring for things like you want to do - actually, i was pointed at man mkinitramfs as well |
| 15:30.53 | enouf | er newsense, i meant - gone |
| 15:30.58 | eptalon | pif: I have seen servers that had downtimes in the order of a few hours per year; those were solaris though. |
| 15:31.06 | path__ | java6 is it only available on sid ? |
| 15:31.11 | nsadmin | pif: then, could be, your uptimes aren't what they could be |
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| 15:31.38 | enouf | eptalon: .27 is avail, iinm, from buildd servers |
| 15:31.45 | dustybin | can debian use the pacman package system? |
| 15:31.53 | eptalon | enouf: it was broken yesterday. |
| 15:32.04 | enouf | dustybin: i don't think so |
| 15:32.08 | dustybin | ok |
| 15:32.08 | eptalon | dustybin: debian has its own. |
| 15:32.11 | enouf | that's an arch distro thing? |
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| 15:32.29 | enouf | eptalon: i was answering <eptalon> btw: 2.6.27 packaged yet? |
| 15:32.29 | dustybin | enouf: i didnt realise how popular archlinux was until the other day |
| 15:32.37 | newsense | :( |
| 15:32.39 | enouf | dustybin: yep, it is |
| 15:32.49 | enouf | newsense: add more :-) |
| 15:32.51 | dustybin | i thought it was a dodgy distro based on ubuntu |
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| 15:33.11 | pif | personnaly linux has rarely failed me, bad hardware yes |
| 15:33.18 | newsense | enouf, you using a stock kernel if so what modules do you have in your /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
| 15:33.32 | enouf | nothing newsense - no exotic booting |
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| 15:33.43 | nsadmin | historically, linux hasn't been very forgiving in the presense of bad hardware |
| 15:33.49 | hanibana | hi :) |
| 15:33.57 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying to use part to partition my RAID array but i'm getting the following error: Error: Unable to open /dev/sda - unrecognised disk label |
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| 15:34.07 | Knight_Lord | What should I do to make parted initialize a partition table? |
| 15:34.07 | newsense | enouf, shouldnt usbcore be enough to get my keyboard up ? |
| 15:34.08 | pif | nsadmin: compared to what? |
| 15:34.19 | enouf | usbhid? |
| 15:34.29 | eptalon | enouf: As I said, 2.6.27 out of buildservers (for i386) was broken yesterday. |
| 15:34.40 | enouf | newsense: you should let other modules pull in their dependent ones |
| 15:34.45 | nsadmin | pif: for example, compared to anything that tries to find bad ram and map it before booting the os |
| 15:34.53 | newsense | enouf, how ? |
| 15:35.00 | newsense | manually add them you mean ? |
| 15:35.14 | pif | nsadmin: that's a feature my friend :) |
| 15:35.18 | enouf | newsense: all USB relies on usbcore, IIRC, like {e,o,}uchi_hcd .. which will pull in usbcore |
| 15:35.18 | eptalon | nsadmin: that only works with ECC ram. |
| 15:35.59 | nsadmin | pif: ahh, yes... linux as ram tester :) |
| 15:35.59 | hanibana | I am installing a Debian test repository by reprepro tool. I don't know how to set up its GPG mechanism. Should I have any GPG key on my apt server to serve to clients...? |
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| 15:36.13 | enouf | newsense: no, modprobe does it .. we're back to your Gigantic mkinitrd --preload options, but that's old, and for 2.4 and likely for mkinitrd |
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| 15:36.32 | newsense | enouf, ok i knew this but for some reason thouht they all merged in usbcore, dont know why i thought this |
| 15:36.34 | enouf | man modconf i told you 2x now, and referenced it atleast one more |
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| 15:36.38 | enouf | man modprobe |
| 15:36.38 | pif | nsadmin: I'm curious though, what OS maps bad ram at boot? |
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| 15:36.52 | newsense | ok sorry sorry |
| 15:36.54 | hanibana | the reprepro get errors when generating release.gpg |
| 15:37.00 | nsadmin | dunno, maybe some other flavor of unix |
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| 15:37.02 | hanibana | or smoething like that. |
| 15:37.04 | pif | notes kernel 2.6.28 has a memtest option |
| 15:37.08 | flower | I tried to set up apt-cacher, by editing my apt.conf: |
| 15:37.10 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.12 | nsadmin | yeah, saw that |
| 15:37.16 | flower | but I get: |
| 15:37.16 | enouf | wanna see? grep /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.{usbmap,pcimap} |
| 15:37.18 | eptalon | pif: Earlier kernels did too. |
| 15:37.24 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.26 | flower | after update |
| 15:37.27 | pif | how is it used? |
| 15:37.39 | enouf | actually - /modules.* |
| 15:37.40 | nsadmin | I just saw it go by, I didn't try it |
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| 15:38.41 | hanibana | any experience? :( |
| 15:39.00 | nsadmin | I think you can find out briefly in make menuconfig, going to the mem tester module and getting help on it, and/or looking in Documentation/ |
| 15:39.35 | enouf | eptalon: then i guess your question would've been better stated, "is it fixed?" :-P |
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| 15:40.05 | pif | I suffered more from bad mobo's (including dell servers) than bad ram |
| 15:40.21 | nsadmin | me too |
| 15:40.47 | enouf | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/888286 |
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| 15:40.55 | nsadmin | mostly I suffered from bad slot1s in a dual slot1 mobo |
| 15:41.34 | enouf | http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/download.html |
| 15:42.09 | pif | at some point we even tried to strongarm dell into sending us advance spare mobos, now it's better |
| 15:42.11 | enouf | wait .. i recall an easier mechanism being implemented now .. oh ffs |
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| 15:42.17 | eptalon | enouf: probably. |
| 15:42.30 | enouf | see kernel-parameters.txt or something |
| 15:42.53 | eptalon | enouf: Problably tonight I'll reinsatall the whole thing using amd64.. If I find out how to boot this from usb. |
| 15:43.26 | enouf | is all coffee'd out |
| 15:43.49 | pif | take a break |
| 15:43.55 | enouf | flower: use // for lines with comments |
| 15:44.20 | pif | oh I got an apt.conf question |
| 15:44.34 | enouf | flower: prepend lines with comments using // .. not a # or anything |
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| 15:44.53 | nsadmin | enouf: cool :) I was hoping someone would do that |
| 15:44.56 | pif | never mind, it works |
| 15:45.12 | flower | enouf: thanks... I |
| 15:45.27 | flower | I thought # was used for that... |
| 15:46.07 | enouf | flower: right, but not in those files, or any apt.conf files and such - it's C/C++ syntax? .. hrm, i wonder if /* ... */ would also woirk |
| 15:46.18 | flower | k |
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| 15:46.24 | nsadmin | flower: not for everything under the sun... |
| 15:46.29 | enouf | flower: # in any bash/shell scripts, and such |
| 15:46.50 | nsadmin | and perl, tcl, some config files, others |
| 15:47.11 | enouf | i even see ;; sometimes which reminds me of config.sys and autoexec.bat :-p |
| 15:47.29 | pif | rem |
| 15:47.37 | enouf | heh |
| 15:47.38 | nsadmin | I think that was used in some really old asm listings |
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| 15:47.57 | newsense | tosses the ps/2 keyboard back in the closet |
| 15:48.09 | newsense | thanks enouf |
| 15:48.14 | enouf | what does the syntax *) mean .. as to close an case/esac ? |
| 15:48.26 | nsadmin | default case |
| 15:48.28 | enouf | newsense: working i guess |
| 15:48.40 | enouf | newsense: oh .. as in upper/lower ? |
| 15:48.43 | newsense | yeah i added usbcore usbhid uhci and ohci |
| 15:48.49 | nsadmin | it doesn't close the case, esac does that |
| 15:48.54 | enouf | newsense: to initrd? or to /etc/modules? |
| 15:49.12 | newsense | /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 15:49.22 | enouf | then update-initramfs ... |
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| 15:49.27 | enouf | gotcha |
| 15:49.29 | newsense | yep :) |
| 15:49.33 | newsense | thanks a lot man |
| 15:49.38 | enouf | np ;-) |
| 15:50.00 | newsense | now to google the lvm errors says cant deactivate volume group when i reboot too |
| 15:50.00 | enouf | newsense: you want ehci_hcd if usb 2.0 |
| 15:50.09 | enouf | just a note |
| 15:50.14 | newsense | hope it isnt signs of trouble in the future |
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| 15:50.27 | newsense | yeah i got 2.0 |
| 15:50.45 | enouf | but usb 2.0 isn't needed for keys/mouse/hid devices |
| 15:50.53 | newsense | i always thought that was standard in an initramfs or initrd |
| 15:51.33 | enouf | i think it used to be, but maybe it was interfering with grub menu support keys, or something .. or, your BIOS has usb legacy disabled |
| 15:51.36 | nsadmin | the initrd image is built when installing the kernel package |
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| 15:52.07 | nsadmin | and there's a config file that tells what (or really how much) to put in the image |
| 15:52.08 | enouf | indeed ... installing the linux-image-version pkg |
| 15:52.24 | enouf | yep /conf as well as others there |
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| 15:52.48 | nsadmin | so it's not standardized per se... the priority is on mounting / |
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| 15:53.18 | newsense | cool im looking at the conf file for the initramfs now |
| 15:53.21 | nsadmin | once you mount /, you can load all the other modules when the os needs them, which could be way after boot |
| 15:53.43 | newsense | not much in the file |
| 15:53.49 | enouf | newsense: if you want to still poke about and learn, notice /tmp/initrd-26.1/scripts/init-premount/ps3 and it's modprobe ohci-hcd mention - review the file ;-) |
| 15:53.59 | nsadmin | nope, it's pretty short |
| 15:54.03 | newsense | if ya dont need a usb keyboard to unlock the encrypted / |
| 15:54.18 | newsense | or a keyfile on a thumbdrive |
| 15:54.47 | newsense | enouf, :) |
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| 15:54.55 | enouf | case "$DPKG_ARCH" in |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | powerpc|ppc64) |
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| 15:55.18 | scientes | !ext4 |
| 15:55.18 | dpkg | ext4 is probably a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in 'e2fsprogs' since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. |
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| 15:56.13 | enouf | alternatively, also in file:///usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/ps3 (so no need to actually zcat and cpio -i the initrd) |
| 15:56.38 | jelly | judd: help |
| 15:56.38 | judd | jelly: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 15:56.43 | jelly | judd: help versions |
| 15:56.44 | judd | jelly: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
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| 15:56.55 | enouf | wonders how and when .. i guess that file would be updated everytime you install a new linux-image-version |
| 15:57.00 | jelly | judd: versions fglrx-driver --arch amd64 |
| 15:57.01 | judd | jelly: fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-7-3 experimental/non-free: 1:8-12-3 sid/non-free: 1:8-12-4 |
| 15:57.07 | jelly | judd: versions fglrx-driver --arch i386 |
| 15:57.07 | judd | jelly: fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4 etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-7-3 sid/non-free: 1:8-7-3 |
| 15:57.13 | jelly | frowns |
| 15:57.27 | enouf | wow .. judd spam - thanks :-P |
| 15:57.38 | jelly | any time! |
| 15:58.09 | stew | needs to turn off his hilight on judd |
| 15:58.09 | nsadmin | come and listen to ma story about a bot named judd... |
| 15:58.19 | newsense | haha |
| 15:58.24 | enouf | s/ma/mah |
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| 15:59.45 | scientes | is dpkg a markov chain bot? |
| 16:00.02 | newsense | probobly an eggdrop |
| 16:00.14 | nsadmin | maybe bliit |
| 16:00.16 | jelly | scientes: /msg dpkg what are you |
| 16:00.18 | nsadmin | oo |
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| 16:01.29 | scientes | just seems to have special linux |
| 16:01.37 | scientes | kept asking me if i ran windows |
| 16:01.49 | scientes | special vocabulary |
| 16:02.02 | enouf | newsense: earlier i mentioned ~$ grep usbhid /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.{pcimap,usbmap} and the followed up with /modules.* and now, i'm being specifc with -> /modules.dep ;-) (i lose track sometimes) |
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| 16:02.47 | newsense | ok i was trying to figure out which modules were for what and which depend on others |
| 16:02.52 | subsume | I'm watching the top command trying to debug a problem with apache configs. Free Mem consistently drops to 0k. Is this normal? Is it only swap that I need to worry about? |
| 16:03.00 | newsense | im actually on http://www.linux-usb.org/ right now |
| 16:03.06 | newsense | thanks for clearing that up |
| 16:03.43 | newsense | couldnt sleep tonight if i didnt understand what i just did and why it works and such :) |
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| 16:04.05 | enouf | newsense: the 1st hit for say; ~$ grep ohci /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.dep |
| 16:04.11 | enouf | shows; /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ohci-hcd.ko: /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/core/usbcore.ko |
| 16:04.32 | enouf | that means usbcore is loaded 1st and ohci is dependent on usbcore |
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| 16:05.12 | nsadmin | is there any way to get flash to output to jack? |
| 16:05.17 | enouf | so modprobing ohci-hcd means usbcore is pulled in and loaded prior |
| 16:05.44 | enouf | nsadmin: hrm, doesn't flash need/use oss wrappers? |
| 16:05.56 | nsadmin | not sure |
| 16:05.57 | enouf | like, as in alsa-oss? |
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| 16:06.19 | enouf | nsadmin: well, wait, jack? not pulse? oh dear |
| 16:06.22 | nsadmin | I never went into it as it worked before I started experimenting with jack |
| 16:06.31 | enouf | the quality isn't even worth it for JACK :-P |
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| 16:07.25 | nsadmin | well I want to have everything go to jack (perhaps eventually) |
| 16:07.33 | enouf | subsume: see http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ then follow the url for meminfo util at bottom |
| 16:07.54 | nsadmin | I have arts going to jack, but that's not effecting much yet |
| 16:08.03 | Aidono | hi , i'm running lenny on nslu2 for two weeks without problem |
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| 16:08.16 | abrotman | subsume: that's probably not an issue .. but are you swapping? |
| 16:08.18 | cahoot | why arts *and* jack? |
| 16:08.27 | jelly | because it's fun! |
| 16:08.34 | enouf | !start a soundserver war |
| 16:08.35 | Aidono | yesterday i installed samba and now i cant connect to my nslu2 anymore |
| 16:08.48 | newsense | hmm firewire dv and video modules among others |
| 16:08.48 | newsense | ok that makes sense |
| 16:08.48 | newsense | ill have to read the whole modprobe man again i think im sure theres an option to show such module depends too |
| 16:08.52 | newsense | yeah thats why it didnt work when i used usbcore only i see now |
| 16:08.52 | Aidono | also , no more logs get written... any ideas |
| 16:08.56 | newsense | it wasnt pulling in ohci |
| 16:09.07 | subsume | thanks enouf |
| 16:09.13 | enouf | nsadmin: man modinfo ;-) |
| 16:09.18 | enouf | subsume: np |
| 16:09.19 | Aidono | i cant ping and cant ssh into nslu2 |
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| 16:09.26 | nsadmin | I want jack to be the backbone for all sound, and there's arts doing sound |
| 16:09.54 | nsadmin | which is easy to get it to go to jack, but not everything in kde goes thru arts |
| 16:09.56 | enouf | nsadmin: modinfo ohci-hcd ==> depends: usbcore |
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| 16:11.05 | newsense | i knew that :) |
| 16:11.10 | nsadmin | Aidono: is the volume full? damaged? |
| 16:11.20 | enouf | goes off somewhere for a while |
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| 16:12.54 | Aidono | nsadmin : not full and not damaged either |
| 16:13.04 | nsadmin | what are you using as storage? |
| 16:13.18 | tenzind | hi.. is there any software in debian using which i can retrieve accidentally deleted files?? |
| 16:13.20 | Aidono | nsadmin : eventually the system boots fully, it gives beeps that i wrote |
| 16:13.34 | edwin_quijada | how can i run a command from telnet to another server |
| 16:13.38 | Aidono | my storage is a flash disk on which root is placed |
| 16:13.49 | abrotman | tenzind: depends on the filesystem .. apt-cache search filesystem recovery |
| 16:13.53 | eptalon | The quickest way to change the non-kernel things form 32 to 64 bit is a reinstall? |
| 16:14.01 | nsadmin | edwin_quijada: you sure you want everyone knowing your passwords and everything you type? :) |
| 16:14.16 | abrotman | eptalon: yes |
| 16:14.21 | edwin_quijada | nsadmin: it is local |
| 16:14.47 | edwin_quijada | the problem is that is a device that doesnt have ssh just telnet |
| 16:15.01 | edwin_quijada | this device is not mine |
| 16:15.03 | tenzind | abrotman, i deleted files from my debian home directory using SHIFT-DEL ... ext3 filesystem :( |
| 16:15.07 | Aidono | nsadmin : my storage is a flash disk on which root is placed |
| 16:15.16 | eptalon | tenzind: TO save searching time: VFAT/FAT16/FAT32: generally yes, ext2/ext3: perhaps, hard to do; XFS/JFS: nope; Reiser: no idea. |
| 16:15.35 | edwin_quijada | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.57 | edwin_quijada | I know that I can do that with ssh but with telnet I dont know how |
| 16:16.00 | nsadmin | Aidono: once the system fully boots, can you ping it? |
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| 16:16.18 | edwin_quijada | there is a scp with telnet: |
| 16:16.36 | Aidono | nsadmin : no, cant ping it |
| 16:16.49 | nsadmin | perhaps it's not on the net for some reason |
| 16:17.08 | nsadmin | start with the cables... they all work? |
| 16:17.26 | Aidono | yes, i allready switched them |
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| 16:18.25 | nsadmin | is there a serial console or something like that? |
| 16:18.31 | jelly | tenzind: first thing to do: unplug or power-off the machine |
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| 16:18.58 | tenzind | jelly, then? |
| 16:19.13 | jelly | tenzind: how valuable are the files? if more than $500, consult a professional file-recovery service |
| 16:19.26 | Aidono | no, regrettably no |
| 16:19.27 | jelly | s/file/data/ |
| 16:19.37 | Aidono | nsadmin : no, regrettably no |
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| 16:20.00 | nsadmin | so there's presently no way to contact it |
| 16:20.32 | jelly | tenzind: if you're going to try things yourself, second thing to do would be to make an bit-exact image of the partition in question; do not try to mount it beforehand |
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| 16:21.22 | Aidono | nsadmin : what i have been doing is booting, shutdown, read flashdisk on other pc |
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| 16:22.08 | nsadmin | is there not a serial port on it? |
| 16:22.11 | Aidono | nsadmin : my guess is interfaces in /etc/network but nothing i tried has worked |
| 16:22.32 | nsadmin | hmm, I guess you could pastebin that file |
| 16:22.39 | doti | hello. If i have a path like /var/log/syslog how can i get only the route without the file? example: /var/log |
| 16:22.42 | Aidono | nsadmin : no, on the nslu2 (slug) you need to solder it on manually |
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| 16:23.12 | Aidono | nsadmin : i would do it if i cant solve this :) but still think its fixable without |
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| 16:24.05 | nsadmin | I think you should try having /etc/init.d/networking start touch a file |
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| 16:25.01 | Aidono | nsadmin : will look into it, when i'm there i will let you know |
| 16:25.40 | nsadmin | actually... make a log of what we did (if anything :), if you want to... I'm out for awhile |
| 16:25.54 | Aidono | nsadmin : and then by confirming the file is there i would know networking gets processed ?? |
| 16:26.09 | Aidono | nsadmin : do i understand correctly ? |
| 16:26.45 | nsadmin | yeah, and perhaps you can have it touch some more files, or instead of touch, put messages in it |
| 16:26.57 | Aidono | ok, will try |
| 16:27.01 | Aidono | thx for help |
| 16:27.06 | nsadmin | welcome |
| 16:27.43 | edwin_quijada | there is no scp for telnet? |
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| 16:28.37 | eptalon | edwin_quijada: its in package ssh |
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| 16:29.08 | doti | Is there a command to get the path of a file withous the file itself? Example: /var/log/file.txt to /var/log |
| 16:29.10 | eptalon | edwin_quijada: and the one for telnet is called rcp (not recommended, as passwords travel clear text) |
| 16:29.11 | edwin_quijada | eptalon: there is no something like this to use with telnet |
| 16:29.32 | edwin_quijada | I need to execute commands to remote server using a script |
| 16:29.47 | eptalon | edwin_quijada: why not use ssh? |
| 16:30.01 | elijahwright | edwin_quijada: use expect ? |
| 16:30.07 | elijahwright | (if you can't use ssh...) |
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| 16:30.13 | eptalon | rcp/rexec are very insecure |
| 16:30.15 | edwin_quijada | eptalon: this is equpment that doesnt have ssh installed |
| 16:30.26 | edwin_quijada | and it not mine |
| 16:30.39 | edwin_quijada | it is local lan |
| 16:30.42 | eptalon | edwin_quijada: rexec/rcp |
| 16:30.55 | edwin_quijada | rexece/crp |
| 16:31.14 | edwin_quijada | ok, let me find information about them |
| 16:31.41 | edwin_quijada | eptalon: Thks!! for showing me the way |
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| 16:32.37 | jelly | edwin_quijada: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:33.21 | jelly | thought r* protocols died ten years ago |
| 16:33.39 | edwin_quijada | jelly: run a few commands using a script from my linux server |
| 16:33.45 | edwin_quijada | it is a solaris server |
| 16:33.52 | jelly | edwin_quijada: use ssh. |
| 16:34.07 | edwin_quijada | jelly: I cant |
| 16:34.12 | jelly | edwin_quijada: why? |
| 16:34.17 | edwin_quijada | this server doesnt have ssh |
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| 16:34.22 | edwin_quijada | and I cant install it |
| 16:34.23 | jelly | Solaris 9 and above come with sshd |
| 16:34.24 | SzArAk | hi |
| 16:34.36 | edwin_quijada | i think it is 8 |
| 16:35.10 | rw83 | well then wrap a script around telnet |
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| 16:35.27 | nsadmin | you could compile openssh... |
| 16:35.35 | jelly | rw83: ew, expect? |
| 16:35.38 | SzArAk | while trying to install nfs-kernel-server i had to install nfs-common, but it fails to start. after installing nfs-common it hangs on starting statd. it also blocks my system on startup and shutdown |
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| 16:36.01 | rw83 | jelly: for example |
| 16:36.18 | rw83 | i don't care... ;) |
| 16:36.25 | jelly | edwin_quijada: eh, if your network is secure, you might get away with an expect script or even rlogin/rexec |
| 16:36.37 | SzArAk | Starting NFS common utilities: statd # here it hangs. i cant use portmap and nfs becouse of that... |
| 16:36.45 | SzArAk | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 16:36.49 | jelly | rw83: telnet isn't inherently wrappable, ya know |
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| 16:38.32 | jelly | SzArAk: does ctrl-c at that point help? |
| 16:39.07 | rw83 | jelly: for some commands it could work... |
| 16:39.45 | SzArAk | it unlocks terminal... that's all. but portmap won't start, nfs server also |
| 16:40.14 | SzArAk | so... it's not a fix. it can't be even properly installed, as it hangs during installation |
| 16:40.30 | jelly | SzArAk: I mean, do you get tot the point you can log in to the machine (even if the services are bad)? |
| 16:40.59 | SzArAk | yes, i've managed to unistall it and log in |
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| 16:41.09 | jelly | SzArAk: is your lo interface properly configured and up? |
| 16:41.15 | SzArAk | but i'm still trying to install nfs |
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| 16:41.29 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:41.45 | SzArAk | no... |
| 16:41.50 | SzArAk | just noticed... |
| 16:42.05 | johnfg | Just read the bits about the dvd images for lenny. |
| 16:42.07 | jelly | SzArAk: missing "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:42.32 | SzArAk | i'll give it a try now. |
| 16:42.34 | johnfg | Are these going to be different from the lenny I'm running, or just with the addition of the light desktop? |
| 16:43.06 | SzArAk | jelly: close. i had "auto lo, eth0". is the correct syntax "auto lo eth0" ? |
| 16:43.14 | jelly | SzArAk: yes |
| 16:43.20 | nsadmin | johnfg: if you're already running lenny, you don't need a dvd of it; you can always upgrade |
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| 16:43.33 | jelly | SzArAk: likely it tried to up a nonexisting iface "lo," |
| 16:43.41 | SzArAk | jelly: great. i would never think of that... ;) |
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| 16:43.47 | SzArAk | jelly: i'll give it a try now. |
| 16:44.06 | johnfg | nsadmin, So, if I want to try the light desktop, do I look for it as LXDE? |
| 16:44.22 | nsadmin | btw, upgrading from the mirrors will be painful right after it gets released... |
| 16:44.26 | jelly | SzArAk: futzed lo is the usual cause, in case you see it again |
| 16:44.47 | nsadmin | I dunno about the light desktop |
| 16:44.55 | johnfg | nsadmin, What would you recommend by way of upgrading then? |
| 16:45.37 | nsadmin | use apt-get, aptitude or synaptic to upgrade |
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| 16:46.19 | nsadmin | have you ever upgraded a debian box before? |
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| 16:47.27 | bolt-work | johnfg: if you want light, go ratpoison :D |
| 16:47.32 | nsadmin | if there's something specific you want to try, you can.... if it's a part of lenny already, that makes it easier |
| 16:48.06 | bolt-work | is currently running ratpoison wm on xorg on a thinkpad 380ed. works like a charm. nice irc machine anyway |
| 16:48.18 | SzArAk | jelly: it fails to start ;p but it doesn't hang, so i think i'll be able to find the cause ;) |
| 16:48.22 | SzArAk | jelly: thanks alot. |
| 16:48.42 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 16:49.04 | SzArAk | simonrvn: and thanks a lot to you ;) |
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| 16:49.17 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 16:49.33 | nsadmin | is "thanks you lot" gramatical? |
| 16:50.04 | sir_thanksalot | "gramatical" is not grammatical |
| 16:50.18 | SzArAk | hehe, smashed... ;p |
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| 16:50.21 | nsadmin | that wasn't my question :) |
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| 16:50.24 | johnfg | Yeah, I've upgraded/updated, but wanted to make sure that you weren't referring to something else with what they're doing for lenny. |
| 16:50.41 | johnfg | bolt-work, what's the deal about light? |
| 16:50.49 | johnfg | Is it that bad? |
| 16:51.02 | sir_thanksalot | no. light is good |
| 16:51.13 | nsadmin | dark is bad? |
| 16:51.37 | sir_thanksalot | is a paladin of the light software. i slay heavy, bloated stuff all day |
| 16:51.52 | sphenxes03 | I was working with ffplay to watch *.flv movies. it works fine. now i have reinstalled etch and ffmpeg (ffplayer) doesn't work anymore (only audio and black screen). any suggestion? or any repository |
| 16:52.15 | nsadmin | try mplayer |
| 16:52.39 | johnfg | sir_thanksalot, Thanks for your input, maybe I'll give it a try and see what I think. Does it install ax LXDE? |
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| 16:52.43 | johnfg | as |
| 16:53.07 | SQlvpapir | is ther ea repo that contains snapshot/recent versions of the kernel pre compiled? |
| 16:53.14 | sphenxes03 | nsadmin, it doesn't work with mplaye either |
| 16:53.40 | sir_thanksalot | sphenxes03: mplayer should tell you if it doesn't find the correct codec or something |
| 16:53.46 | nsadmin | mine does... I run etch |
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| 16:54.17 | nsadmin | maybe I'll test that real quick |
| 16:54.36 | sphenxes03 | sir_thanksalot, mplayer: error opening the selected video-out (vo) device |
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| 16:54.54 | sir_thanksalot | sphenxes03: try another vo device then :) |
| 16:55.09 | sphenxes03 | sir_thanksalot, i am newbie, How? |
| 16:55.15 | sir_thanksalot | sphenxes03: you probably had an alias setup before. or a .mplayer file |
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| 16:55.25 | sir_thanksalot | sphenxes03: man mplayer. look for -vo |
| 16:55.28 | sir_thanksalot | sphenxes03: try a few |
| 16:55.30 | Hefti | hi |
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| 16:55.45 | sphenxes03 | sir_thanksalot, thanks |
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| 16:56.22 | sir_thanksalot | johnfg: it installs like "apt-get install ratpoison". very steep learning curve, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything lighter, or more impressive to look at when you learn your way around it |
| 16:56.44 | nsadmin | yep, works fine |
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| 16:57.00 | sir_thanksalot | more impressive as in "i have no idea what that guy is doing right now" impressive |
| 16:57.12 | sphenxes03 | nsadmin, any suggestions (i am already reading the man page) |
| 16:57.13 | nsadmin | why is it so steep? |
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| 16:58.01 | sir_thanksalot | nsadmin: no useful mouse input gets lots of people stumped. the need to actually have the manual available for the first hour or so throws people off |
| 16:58.06 | nsadmin | maybe you're misssing the codec |
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| 16:58.21 | Hefti | i am looking for help, i made a dist-upgrade from debian etch 4.0 to lenny, after that i tried to install a new kernel with "apt-get install linux-image-686", but it fails: http://pastebin.com/d22ea60a7 |
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| 16:58.22 | bolt-work | nsadmin: his mplayer said it couldn't find his vo device |
| 16:58.47 | stew | i stopped using ratpoison becuase it was slow |
| 16:59.01 | nsadmin | what are you using now |
| 16:59.07 | Hefti | seems to be a problem with udev. i dont have any idea how to fix this /get it working |
| 16:59.25 | stew | nsadmin: i wrote my own |
| 16:59.49 | nsadmin | your own wm? |
| 16:59.56 | nsadmin | stewm? |
| 17:00.05 | enouf | sphenxes03: /msg dpkg dmm, install ffmpeg from there, and also mplayer - setup a file of config in ~/.mplayer/config, copy template from /etc/mplayer/* and tweak it - use 'mplayer -vo xv ...' |
| 17:00.24 | stew | yes, i was using wmii-3 then ion3, but then ion3, when ion3 became non-free i started reimplementing the parts i wanted in python |
| 17:00.28 | enouf | "stewed" window manager :-) |
| 17:00.36 | bolt-work | anything that runs good on 133mhz is fast enough for me |
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| 17:01.20 | bolt-work | ..given we're actually on computers in the first place |
| 17:01.20 | enouf | Hefti: try ...-image-2.6-686 |
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| 17:01.38 | stew | i'm used to having multiple workspaces, and switching workspaces involves starting perl to run a perl script which posts events to a hidden window which then causes the wm to wakeup.... which is all too slow |
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| 17:01.40 | sphenxes03 | enouf, thanks a lot |
| 17:01.45 | bolt-work | Hefti: dpkg-reconfigure udev ? |
| 17:02.12 | Hefti | let me give a try |
| 17:02.20 | nsadmin | there's libperl... |
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| 17:03.06 | enouf | wth is "linux-image-686 is already the newest version." ?? i never heard of that metapackage :-p |
| 17:03.09 | nsadmin | but that's why you didn't like ratpoison? |
| 17:03.16 | Hefti | result is: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not fully installed |
| 17:03.28 | enouf | judd: version linux-image-686 |
| 17:03.29 | judd | enouf: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 17:03.33 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 17:03.35 | judd | enouf: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.6.26+17 sid: 2.6.26+17 |
| 17:03.45 | stew | nsadmin: yes, but in most cases i think having tabs like ion3/wmii3 is useful |
| 17:03.46 | enouf | eww .. i stand corrected .. yikes |
| 17:03.59 | stew | nsadmin: i still use ratpoison on the TV where i want absolutely no decoration |
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| 17:04.09 | jelly | enouf: it will work for linux 3.0! |
| 17:04.12 | enouf | Hefti: try reinstalling it , apt-get install -f |
| 17:04.23 | enouf | heh |
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| 17:04.46 | Hefti | u mean apt-get install -f udev ? |
| 17:04.50 | enouf | no |
| 17:04.56 | Hefti | i already tried this, it results in the same error |
| 17:04.59 | enouf | but you could also |
| 17:05.31 | enouf | Hefti: oh .. is /var mounted ro? |
| 17:05.33 | enouf | . /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst: line 72: echo: write error: Operation not permitted |
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| 17:05.48 | Hefti | let me check |
| 17:06.05 | Hefti | i got this virtual root debian machine today |
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| 17:06.32 | Hefti | root has priv 7 |
| 17:06.35 | enouf | Hefti: and what's on line 72 of that file? - i'll check my version here too |
| 17:07.15 | enouf | heh = chroot |
| 17:07.16 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:07.54 | enouf | whoops ... doubly pasted 2 lines == 4 == kick :-p |
| 17:08.08 | Hefti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.20 | dustybin | is there any way possible to stop exim MTA installing when i issue a: apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 17:08.50 | enouf | dustybin: perhaps make a fake equiv pkg, and install ssmtp |
| 17:08.55 | nsadmin | Hefti it;s a remote? |
| 17:08.58 | dustybin | enouf: eek |
| 17:09.06 | enouf | dustybin: unless you want another mailer? |
| 17:09.11 | enouf | er MTA |
| 17:09.15 | dustybin | dont want any MTA |
| 17:09.16 | Hefti | nsadmin: yep |
| 17:09.41 | enouf | dustybin: i think ssmtp might satisfy the depends that exim4 is dependent on, like at, cron, etc |
| 17:10.02 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 17:10.18 | dustybin | enouf: for a bog standard LAMP configuration, is this all i need: |
| 17:10.21 | dustybin | apt-get install apache 2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server-5.0 |
| 17:10.30 | enouf | dustybin: use apt-rdepends, apt-cache {show,depends,rdepends} ssmtp, etc |
| 17:10.34 | dustybin | ok |
| 17:10.37 | Hefti | nsadmin: why? |
| 17:10.55 | Thwatt | hi all does anyone know how to change the mail from address on system emails from a debian box? |
| 17:10.56 | nsadmin | could explain why you can't do certain thing maybe? |
| 17:11.05 | Hefti | enouf: line72 echo > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
| 17:11.13 | enouf | dustybin: or .. you could hack up the debian/{rules,control,changelog?} files? :-p |
| 17:11.21 | nsadmin | is the kernel shared? |
| 17:11.35 | enouf | Hefti: hrm .. can you pastebin lines 60-80 ? |
| 17:11.35 | nsadmin | or does each instance get a separate kernel? |
| 17:11.51 | Hefti | nsadmin: do you mean me? |
| 17:11.59 | nsadmin | yeha |
| 17:12.11 | enouf | yeehaw! |
| 17:12.30 | nsadmin | haweey! |
| 17:12.41 | enouf | hooyaa! |
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| 17:13.05 | Hefti | i assume it is shared, i mean, i am sharing the resources with other guest os's, which i dont know |
| 17:13.11 | dustybin | enouf: does 'apache2-ssl-certificate' automatically create self signed SSL certs? |
| 17:13.21 | enouf | dustybin: no idea offhand |
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| 17:13.25 | GhostlyDeath | How can I stop Debian from seeking around the entire disk only to write a single sector? |
| 17:13.31 | enouf | heh |
| 17:13.41 | enouf | use relatime/noatime with ext3 |
| 17:13.48 | GhostlyDeath | I just hear the drive seeking, a few clicks then it repeats |
| 17:13.52 | nsadmin | Hefti: then it might make sense that you can't change things and perhaps not even read things about that kernel |
| 17:14.12 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: is famd, or gamin or cough*beagle*cough* similar installed? |
| 17:14.32 | GhostlyDeath | let me check... |
| 17:14.36 | Hefti | enouf: 60-80 http://pastebin.com/m4afa444a |
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| 17:15.22 | enouf | Hefti: ls -l /etc/udev/disabled |
| 17:15.24 | Hefti | nsadmin: oh, i think its something like vmware, so should be able to do everything ? |
| 17:15.35 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: None of those |
| 17:15.53 | nsadmin | that's a question for your provider as to whether you have access to the kernel innards |
| 17:16.05 | Hefti | enouf: ls: cannot access /etc/udev/disabled: No such file or directory |
| 17:16.11 | themill | GhostlyDeath: you might like to look at laptop mode. Ask dpkg about it. |
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| 17:16.32 | GhostlyDeath | syslogd is getting alot of attention |
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| 17:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | I'll disable it and see what happens |
| 17:17.32 | Hefti | maybe this gives info: 2.6.18-028stab059.9-ent #1 SMP Tue Nov 25 15:45:49 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:17.34 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i think you might find my noatime option helpful, but what you could also do; is copy off large dirs, delete orig (once you verify copies are intact); copy back entire large dirs, so bloack are allocated contiguously (and i use rsync, not cp) |
| 17:17.34 | GhostlyDeath | eh, still noisy |
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| 17:18.02 | enouf | s/bloack/blocks |
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| 17:18.44 | GhostlyDeath | I set noatime, i'll see if that quiets it |
| 17:19.00 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: one newer app i installed and am testing is midori - doesn't hit the HDD at all mostly, but once i open Edit > preferences ? ... whoa!! there's like find on steroids running :-p |
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| 17:19.32 | Hefti | well then, is there a way to undo the failed stuff apt-get install linux-image-686 did? |
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| 17:20.05 | enouf | just boot the older kernel, and apt-get remove ... i guess? |
| 17:20.27 | Hefti | i am still on the old kernel |
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| 17:20.42 | nsadmin | so you haven[' rebooted |
| 17:20.51 | enouf | Hefti: that's some custom kernel .. oh right - well did apt-get install ever work properly? |
| 17:21.39 | enouf | nsadmin: right, which means ... hrm, but dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version ever run yet? hrmm |
| 17:21.51 | nsadmin | I'd look at your mounted partitions and see which ones are r/w and which read only |
| 17:22.26 | nsadmin | have you yet asked your provider whether you have this kind of access? |
| 17:22.28 | enouf | hrm, he's on an .18 but i see dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:22.45 | Hefti | i got that machine today. i upgraded to 5.0 with changes in apt/source.list (changing to lenny) apt-get update, updating apt aptitude dpkg after that, and finally aptitude full-upgrade |
| 17:22.56 | enouf | which would mean .. oh right - i got kicked for flood - he did say upgrade from etch-> lenny |
| 17:22.57 | nsadmin | perhaps more detailed error message is before that |
| 17:23.02 | enouf | !lenny release notes |
| 17:23.02 | dpkg | Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ (latest draft; updated daily). See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687). |
| 17:23.18 | nsadmin | so is there a release date? |
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| 17:24.08 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: still noisy |
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| 17:24.14 | stew | nsadmin: no, debian deosn't set release dates |
| 17:24.28 | enouf | Hefti: that echo > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug command is trying to clear out that file |
| 17:24.39 | Hefti | i thought it would automatically isntall newest kernel, when install linux-image-686 |
| 17:24.47 | enouf | Hefti: see if /proc is accesible |
| 17:24.58 | Hefti | enouf: k |
| 17:25.06 | enouf | i bet you have a jailed, or non-existant /proc |
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| 17:25.26 | Hefti | r/w by owner |
| 17:25.34 | Hefti | 644 |
| 17:25.35 | enouf | likely from a grsecurity or a chroot - cat /proc/mounts - see if /proc is mounted |
| 17:25.48 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: actually, it isn't as noisy now |
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| 17:25.53 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: ext3 FStype? |
| 17:25.59 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: yeah it's ext3 |
| 17:26.08 | Hefti | proc /proc proc rw 0 0 |
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| 17:26.25 | GhostlyDeath | Before it was: Seek seek seek seek seek seek click, Seek seek seek seek seek seek click, Seek seek seek seek seek seek click, and so on |
| 17:26.26 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: your possibly delusional "one sector" write only is from? |
| 17:26.42 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: so, strace that command - see what it's doing |
| 17:26.58 | enouf | is that a laptop? |
| 17:27.03 | GhostlyDeath | Desktop |
| 17:27.20 | enouf | Hefti: can you do "cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug" ? |
| 17:27.21 | GhostlyDeath | It does the seeks like it used to but they are just more spaced apart now |
| 17:27.48 | GhostlyDeath | instead of a seek going on a second after the first one stopped, it doesn't do anything for 10-60 seconds |
| 17:27.55 | Hefti | its empty |
| 17:28.09 | enouf | Hefti: otherwise check on whatever tmpfs are present for rw as well - df -T should show them |
| 17:28.28 | enouf | Hefti: but you have access to it, is what we wanted to know .. |
| 17:28.34 | s3a | how do i delete a directory as well as everything in it? (rmdir only deletes directories and rm only deletes files in a directory) |
| 17:28.51 | stew | s3a: rm -r |
| 17:29.01 | enouf | Hefti: have you tried /etc/init.d/udev {stop|start|restart|force-reload} ? |
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| 17:29.28 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: one of the syslogd is writing a log |
| 17:29.42 | enouf | Hefti: udev is loaded from rcS.d early on, even moreso if initrd is used - do you even have one? Are you sure that's Debian you're using? |
| 17:29.46 | GhostlyDeath | one of the vzctls |
| 17:29.49 | Hefti | i habe tempfs for /dev/vzfs on /, tmpfs /lib/init/rw and /dev/shm |
| 17:29.52 | Hefti | i have |
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| 17:31.13 | Hefti | enouf : i selected Debian Etch 4.0 (without plesk) when i orded this machine i also checked /etc/issue |
| 17:31.22 | enouf | well .. the main error and 1st one as i see it is; . /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst: line 72: echo: write error: Operation not permitted <--so something is not permitted, maybe selinux or ACLs or something, maybe dpkg or sudo is not setuid or something |
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| 17:31.48 | themill | GhostlyDeath: http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php might be of use. Note the - option for syslog |
| 17:32.20 | Hefti | udev stop gives failed, because it requires hotplug... |
| 17:32.44 | flower | I want to set up a sid chroot environment, and following: http://viral.media.mit.edu/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Debian+chroot+environment |
| 17:32.47 | enouf | Hefti: no, any/all hotplug pkgs should be removed |
| 17:32.47 | s3a | stew, thx |
| 17:32.48 | Hefti | what is hotplug? is it for storage devices, like sd cards, usb stick, etc? |
| 17:32.51 | flower | but |
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| 17:33.00 | flower | this command /sbin/MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:33.08 | enouf | Hefti: wait .. maybe they compiled their initrd using yaird and removed all udev support? |
| 17:33.13 | flower | fails: bash: /sbin/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
| 17:33.14 | s3a | folders that are hidden such as /.config/deluge are called what? |
| 17:33.36 | s3a | or directories i should say |
| 17:33.36 | enouf | flower: as root |
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| 17:34.19 | hoxu | Is there any safe way to archive old rdiff-backup increments in rdiff-backup-data? |
| 17:34.21 | enouf | s3a: well. if they are files; then dotfiles |
| 17:34.25 | enouf | dirs? not sure |
| 17:34.43 | enouf | Hefti: dpkg -l \*hotplug* |
| 17:34.51 | s3a | enouf, but how would i google to find out anki's folder? |
| 17:34.53 | enouf | Hefti: dpkg -l \*hotplug* | grep ^.i even |
| 17:35.10 | Hefti | with even in cmd? |
| 17:35.20 | flower | enouf: I'm root |
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| 17:35.36 | enouf | flower: i failed to see your initial post |
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| 17:35.51 | flower | I want to set up a sid chroot environment, and following: http://viral.media.mit.edu/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Debian+chroot+environment |
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| 17:35.55 | flower | but |
| 17:35.59 | enouf | yes, i see it now |
| 17:36.08 | flower | this command /sbin/MAKEDEV generic |
| 17:36.12 | flower | fails: bash: /sbin/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
| 17:36.54 | enouf | Hefti: fwiw, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html should explain about udev and hotplug |
| 17:37.17 | josinalvo | I am trying to get a list of all packages installed by hand (as oposed to installed as dependencies). I think there is a utility/option that does just that, but I cant find it ! would sb please help me ? |
| 17:37.30 | _2 | i have a 3com pcmcia modem (probably winmodem) and i can't seem to get lspcmcia to list any card. i tried inserting every *pcm* module, no change, and dmesg isn't saying anything. suggestions ? |
| 17:37.35 | enouf | flower: er "Warning: These instructions are current as of June 28, 2006. " a bit old ;-) |
| 17:38.09 | Hefti | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m502929d5 |
| 17:38.14 | flower | enouf: old = good my dad says... ;) |
| 17:38.33 | enouf | flower: echo pwd |
| 17:38.34 | flower | enouf: do you know a better howto? |
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| 17:38.41 | enouf | er |
| 17:38.55 | enouf | sorry - i mean do `pwd` |
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| 17:39.08 | tetraedr | hi |
| 17:39.09 | bolt-wor1 | josinalvo: aptitude does |
| 17:39.12 | enouf | flower: ls -l /sbin/MAKEDEV |
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| 17:39.39 | _2 | one can echo $PWD |
| 17:39.42 | s0u][ight | hello how can i change the default version of g++? |
| 17:39.43 | enouf | flower: if you're in /dev/, just run MAKEDEV |
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| 17:39.45 | pif | flower: what do you need a chroot for? |
| 17:39.46 | enouf | ~$ ls -l /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 17:39.46 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-12-29 09:48 /dev/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 17:39.50 | tetraedr | I'm trying to install debian testing on my acer aspire one according to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne but I when I try to boot I get error message: Could not find kernel image: linux |
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| 17:40.11 | tetraedr | whats wrong? |
| 17:40.19 | tetraedr | and how do I fix this? |
| 17:40.23 | bolt-work | tetraedr: do you have a "linux" in /boot? |
| 17:40.39 | flower | enouf: should I put that in a shell? |
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| 17:40.52 | enouf | flower: yep |
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| 17:41.13 | Hefti | enouf: any idea ? what should i do now? stay with the actual kernel ? hmm but the system is broken now, or not? |
| 17:41.14 | bolt-work | tetraedr: it's looking for a linux image and can't find it. symlink one if it's not there, or reconfigure your boot loader to find your actual kernel image |
| 17:41.16 | tetraedr | bolt-work, the problem is that it's a syslinux and I don't have any idea how it works. I've simply took instructions from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne and trying to install |
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| 17:42.12 | enouf | Hefti: well .. i would certainly find out more info .. then i might just comment out that one line in the udev.postinst file, then try again - or, i /might/ even put an exit 0 on top of it |
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| 17:42.41 | _2 | tetraedr you can symlink the actual kernel to "linux" in the root dir of the syslinux or you can copy it there depending on circumstances |
| 17:42.43 | Hefti | enouf: good idea |
| 17:42.50 | enouf | Hefti: can you access/edit those things where udev.postinst lives? |
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| 17:43.04 | _2 | tetraedr also there is a config file there you might want to look at |
| 17:43.13 | flower | enouf: ls: cannot access /bin/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
| 17:43.17 | tetraedr | _2, thanks, trying to do the symlink |
| 17:43.24 | jon13 | Trying to install smp kernel for my amd x2 cpu. Google tells me to apt-cache searh kernel-image | grep "smp". However this produces no output at all. Am I missing a repository, or overlooking something else? |
| 17:43.27 | enouf | Hefti: i would find out more info - since who knows what /further/ issues you might encounter after /this/ hurdle |
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| 17:43.46 | Hefti | enouf: yes |
| 17:43.48 | enouf | flower: try /sbin |
| 17:44.00 | bolt-work | jon13: linux-image, not kernel-image |
| 17:44.03 | _2 | tetraedr being that you are using syslinux, the fs it's on may not support symlinks. in which case copy the kernel over |
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| 17:44.53 | bolt-work | jon13: to answer your second question, you're overlooking the fact that the debian kernel packages were renamed :) |
| 17:44.54 | enouf | tetraedr: usually there's a symlink in / -> /vmlinuz-version |
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| 17:45.01 | enouf | and one for the initrd |
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| 17:45.24 | SparFux | How to mount an ntfs partition with german umlauts displayed correctly? |
| 17:45.30 | _2 | enouf syslinux there ^ prolly an ms boot partition |
| 17:45.49 | enouf | eww |
| 17:46.05 | _2 | just thought i'd mention |
| 17:46.21 | bstock | i was wondering if anyone has experience running debian on Dell Poweredge server with RD1000 backup unit - that's the backup unit that takes removable hard drives |
| 17:46.31 | bolt-work | SparFux: you probably just need a terminal with UTF-8 charset. try $ locale |
| 17:46.32 | enouf | SparFux: ntfs-3g+fuse? or samba/cifs + iocharset=utf8 |
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| 17:46.40 | enouf | and correct codepage= ? |
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| 17:46.46 | Hefti | enouf: it was a check for udev " is it running or is return 0" then echo > hotplug-stuff , which means for me, clear this. file. |
| 17:47.16 | Hefti | enouf: i commented it out, and the install went ok now of linux-image-686 ! YEEHAA! |
| 17:47.21 | jon13 | bolt-work; thx. But i can see in my menu.lst that im using a 486 image. I can also see from system monitor that Im only using 1 cpu |
| 17:47.42 | Hefti | enouf: thx alot |
| 17:47.42 | Hefti | nsadmin: thx,too |
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| 17:47.44 | Hefti | i assume i have to reboot, to get the new kernel working ? |
| 17:47.45 | jon13 | bolt-work; ill try with the image instead thx |
| 17:48.04 | enouf | Hefti: np |
| 17:48.09 | enouf | yep |
| 17:48.24 | bolt-work | jon13: if you've not changed your kernel, you would be running with 1 cpu on a -486 image, yes. did i say anything to the contrary? |
| 17:48.34 | flower | enouf: bash: -rwxr-xr-x: command not found |
| 17:48.48 | glax | Hi guys, I had install debian in a server with 2 processors, how can I verify if it is using both of them? |
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| 17:48.54 | enouf | flower: more specifics - whta gave that? |
| 17:48.59 | s0u][ight | sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/gcc gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 60 --slave /usr/bin/g++ g++ /usr/bin/g++-4.2 |
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| 17:49.01 | elijahwright | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:49.03 | bolt-work | glax: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:49.05 | s0u][ight | that makes g++ disapear |
| 17:49.06 | bolt-work | elijahwright: damn you |
| 17:49.20 | elijahwright | bolt-work: huhuhuhuhu |
| 17:49.24 | enouf | glax: grep -i cpu /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:49.24 | elijahwright | ) |
| 17:49.30 | flower | enouf: # -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 53290 May 8 2008 /sbin/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV |
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| 17:49.59 | themill | !wayttd s0u][ight |
| 17:49.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, s0u][ight? |
| 17:50.09 | bolt-work | glax: grep -i processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l |
| 17:50.11 | glax | thanks |
| 17:50.12 | bolt-work | gives processor count :P |
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| 17:50.22 | enouf | flower: what? haha |
| 17:50.25 | s0u][ight | themill, i want to set the default version of g++ to 4.2 in stead of 4.3 |
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| 17:50.36 | enouf | bolt-work: ooops :-p |
| 17:50.37 | themill | s0u][ight: why? |
| 17:50.40 | _2 | i have a 3com pcmcia modem (probably winmodem) and i can't seem to get lspcmcia to list any card. i tried inserting every *pcm* module, no change, and dmesg isn't saying anything. any suggestions ? |
| 17:50.51 | flower | enouf: uh sorry? |
| 17:50.52 | Samuel | Compiz is making my computer really unresponsive and using all my CPU. |
| 17:50.53 | bolt-work | enouf: ? |
| 17:50.53 | enouf | flower: you did what command? |
| 17:50.55 | tetraedr_ | hmm... there is a linux in debian_installed folder, but as I see syslinux can't find it |
| 17:51.01 | josinalvo | bolt-wor1: been trying to get aptitude to do it ... All I got was an unreadable google line that (might) do what I want. Could you tell me how to use aptitude to solve the problem ? |
| 17:51.03 | s0u][ight | themill, 4.3 is behaving weird and figured out 4.2 does the trick for what i want |
| 17:51.05 | flower | enouf: # -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 53290 May 8 2008 /sbin/MAKEDEV -> /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 17:51.13 | enouf | that's NOT a command! |
| 17:51.18 | enouf | that's the result |
| 17:51.38 | bolt-work | huh? |
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| 17:51.43 | enouf | who? |
| 17:51.44 | jon13 | bolt-work; No, you did not. linux-image does not give any output either, though |
| 17:51.56 | themill | s0u][ight: any same compilation setup should allow CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.2 as an environment variable to allow you to choose. Changing the default compiler is neither supported nor recommended in debian. |
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| 17:52.15 | abrotman | sane! |
| 17:52.20 | themill | !typosmite me |
| 17:52.20 | dpkg | makes themill raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 17:52.28 | bolt-work | jon13: see if "apt-cache search linux-image" gives anything |
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| 17:52.47 | enouf | it's actually a combo result - a symlink is not 53290 |
| 17:52.49 | s0u][ight | themill, i know it is something with that command i wrote but idk what it exactly was |
| 17:52.51 | bolt-work | enouf: what's not a command? |
| 17:53.07 | enouf | bolt-work: i don't care anymore |
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| 17:53.52 | themill | s0u][ight: gcc is not managed through the alternatives system. If you want to redo how debian packages gcc then you are welcome to, but there are usually better (and certainly easier!) ways of doing this. |
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| 17:54.25 | _2 | s0u][ight is the last two args needed ? and is the --slave /usr/bin/g++ correct ? |
| 17:54.25 | bolt-work | enouf: genious answer. i'm gonna start using that when people ask me the time. "what time is it?" "i don't care!" :D useful... |
| 17:54.27 | jon13 | bolt-work; damn, i forgot to erase the "|grep smp" part. SO i shoul just pick the k7, now there is no smp nae, right? |
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| 17:54.50 | jon13 | damn butter-fingers |
| 17:54.52 | enouf | bolt-work: if you cared, you could easily tell from above conversation with flower |
| 17:54.53 | s0u][ight | _2, idk i try to found out the command i used previously but can't remember |
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| 17:55.31 | _2 | s0u][ight heh click the terminal and press the up arrow |
| 17:55.48 | s0u][ight | _2 the previous time was months ago :P |
| 17:56.00 | enouf | bolt-work: my "whoops" comment to you was concerning your correcting me of <enouf> glax: grep -i cpu /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:56.02 | _2 | command history is permanant |
| 17:56.14 | bolt-work | enouf: i was referring all the way back to "<enouf> bolt-work: ooops :-p" "<bolt-work> enouf: ?" |
| 17:56.17 | bolt-work | enouf: but nevermind |
| 17:56.22 | enouf | right :-P |
| 17:56.27 | Hefti | hmm, the machine is back with 2.6.18 kernel, i do want to boot with the new one.. what would normaly be the method to upgrade the kernel ? |
| 17:56.29 | s0u][ight | _2 don't make me look up all those commands :D |
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| 17:56.37 | enouf | bolt-work: my NOT a command was to flower |
| 17:56.38 | Hefti | instead of compiling my own |
| 17:56.47 | bolt-work | enouf: gotcha |
| 17:56.53 | enouf | carry on |
| 17:56.57 | bolt-work | yes sir |
| 17:57.05 | Hefti | should i do a apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
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| 17:57.28 | _2 | s0u][ight ummm yeah look it up anyway, grep update ~/.bash_history |
| 17:57.40 | flower | enouf: I'm confused and didn't solve it yet |
| 17:57.59 | themill | _2: bash doesn't always store your command history. /msg dpkg bash eternal history |
| 17:58.04 | s0u][ight | _2 i think i will have to rewrite the Makefile |
| 17:58.04 | enouf | flower: which command output what you keep pasting into the channel - use a pastebin please |
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| 17:58.06 | Hefti | hmm linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 is already the newest version. |
| 17:58.19 | enouf | flower: which command did you run that returned the output what you keep pasting into the channel - use a pastebin please |
| 17:58.42 | _2 | themill it does if you exit it cleanly and don't have history turned off. if you sigkill it then all bets are off |
| 17:59.07 | enouf | flower: and i asked for output of the command; `pwd` |
| 17:59.11 | s0u][ight | _2 themill i did it :) |
| 17:59.14 | themill | _2: because everyone carefully exits all their terminals before logging out of their window manager every time, don't them |
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| 17:59.31 | bolt-work | Hefti: afaik the smp kernels also went away. are you sure your current kernel is only using one cpu? |
| 17:59.35 | enouf | bolt-work: what? |
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| 17:59.51 | enouf | says "my turn" :-P |
| 17:59.51 | s0u][ight | after that i needed update-alternatives --set (gcc/g++) /usr/bin/(gcc/g++)-4.2 |
| 17:59.56 | Hefti | bolt-work: i seems to have 4 cores. or 2 cores with 2 threads |
| 18:00.09 | enouf | bolt-work: since Etch, SMP is autodetected |
| 18:00.14 | _lukas | Hi, is it possible to have debian repo with deb packages on centos server? |
| 18:00.18 | bolt-work | enouf: the "-smp" kernel packages. went away. yes. |
| 18:00.24 | enouf | oh , you meant SMP-specific versions |
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| 18:00.44 | bolt-work | enouf: :) |
| 18:00.44 | enouf | ok - carry on :-P |
| 18:00.46 | bolt-work | yes sir |
| 18:00.46 | flower | enouf: bash: /home/d/sid_chroot: is a directory |
| 18:00.46 | s0u][ight | laters all |
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| 18:01.03 | Hefti | i just think it booted the old kernel, what do i have to do to boot the new one ? |
| 18:01.06 | enouf | flower: ok .. so now, the other thing post to paste.debian.net |
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| 18:01.22 | bolt-work | Hefti: which boot loader? |
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| 18:01.39 | _2 | <themill> _2: bash doesn't always store your command history <<<< bash does it's job, it is neither bash's fault nor mine if you sigkill bash, (^D works wonders) |
| 18:01.44 | Hefti | i dont know, tried grub but it seems not to exist |
| 18:01.59 | bolt-work | ... |
| 18:02.03 | Hefti | bolt-work: note, i got this virtual machine today, so i have to check |
| 18:02.05 | flower | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m2d722f10 |
| 18:02.20 | dashs | non-GUI method of configuring network interface? |
| 18:02.39 | bolt-work | dashs: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:02.50 | themill | _2: indeed. But as I said, bash doesn't always save its history because it very frequently is sigkilled. Don't propose solutions with words like "always" when that is not true. |
| 18:03.11 | enouf | flower: that looks all good - so, now, run just this in the shell "/sbin/MAKEDEV" no quotes |
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| 18:03.23 | _2 | themill you typed "always" not me. |
| 18:03.40 | Hefti | hmm, there is no /boot/grub |
| 18:03.41 | enouf | flower: and post the command i just told you and all output to pastebin please |
| 18:03.44 | themill | _2: true. whatever. I'm beyond caring. |
| 18:03.49 | bolt-work | Hefti: lilo, perhaps? |
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| 18:03.57 | Hefti | not installed, already tried |
| 18:04.02 | dashs | bolt-work: yes I can copy it from another system (is that a good idea)? |
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| 18:04.15 | Hefti | strange, one of those must it be. but there is no executable |
| 18:04.21 | enouf | Hefti: doesn't vmware allow you to tell it how many Cores to use? |
| 18:04.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:04.40 | flower | enouf: sorry which command? |
| 18:04.42 | Hefti | enouf: i dont know, if it is vmware. i just know its a virtual root server |
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| 18:04.45 | bolt-work | Hefti: not sure how to determine it then. if it's just a vm, try rebooting it and catching a glimpse of what goes by. try pressing shift, space and whatnot to stop it :) |
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| 18:05.01 | enouf | <enouf> flower: that looks all good - so, now, run just this in the shell "/sbin/MAKEDEV" no quotes |
| 18:05.19 | _2 | themill if you wanted to do something constructive you could address my question, no one else has. |
| 18:05.24 | bolt-work | dashs: if your setup on the current machine is exactly the same, it should work, but i think it'd be better to read the manual for it and do it properly |
| 18:05.29 | enouf | Hefti: well, find out ;-) other VMs also likely allow for that - kvm, xen, vbox, whatever |
| 18:05.31 | flower | enouf: I didn't get anything back |
| 18:05.47 | enouf | flower: that means good - it completed |
| 18:06.06 | enouf | flower: if you're returned to the prompt |
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| 18:06.13 | doti | hello |
| 18:06.25 | themill | _2: Sorry, know nothing about pcmcia otherwise I already would have done so. You might like to ask again as it is a long way back in the history now due to the netsplit. |
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| 18:06.40 | flower | enouf: ok so now try again in /dev folder? |
| 18:06.50 | _2 | themill k. will do. |
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| 18:06.53 | _2 | i have a 3com pcmcia modem (probably winmodem) and i can't seem to get lspcmcia to list any card. i tried inserting every *pcm* module, no change, and dmesg isn't saying anything. suggestions ? |
| 18:06.54 | doti | what commands i have to use to transform paths like /var/log/syslog and /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf into /var/log and /etc/mplayer |
| 18:06.59 | enouf | flower: now, according to that URL you gave ; it says "The MAKEDEV call will take a while; be patient. After it finishes, jump back out of the chroot environment." which means; type --> exit |
| 18:07.02 | Mike0x0 | Is there a command to easily clone a DVD into a .iso? |
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| 18:07.16 | abrotman | _2: lspcmcia should show the card |
| 18:07.23 | abrotman | _2: is this etch ? |
| 18:07.23 | zinx | _2: try searching the internet for the model + "linux" |
| 18:07.29 | themill | _2: do you have a model name/number? |
| 18:07.32 | _2 | abrotman lenny |
| 18:07.32 | enouf | http://viral.media.mit.edu/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Debian+chroot+environment is flower's URL tutorial he's following if anyone is intersted |
| 18:07.34 | zinx | _2: it's kinda silly to try to make it work without seeing what driver/etc it needs. |
| 18:07.43 | abrotman | _2: and you installed pcmcia-utils ? |
| 18:07.51 | _2 | themill 3com something i'll get the exact |
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| 18:07.57 | abrotman | erm .. no - |
| 18:07.59 | _2 | abrotman yeah |
| 18:08.09 | abrotman | _2: and you see nothing about the card in lspcmcia or dmesg ? |
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| 18:08.22 | _2 | abrotman nothing |
| 18:08.25 | enouf | flower: sorry - have you already typed exit? |
| 18:08.28 | zinx | then it's not working |
| 18:08.37 | flower | enouf: uh bash: /sbin/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
| 18:08.38 | Hefti | ah, i got a Virtuozzo Power Panel, which should be part of Parralels |
| 18:08.46 | enouf | flower: i see now, the makedev command was to create a /dev/generic |
| 18:08.49 | _2 | modle 3656 |
| 18:08.52 | zinx | i.e., no matter what you do it won't work, because the computer can't talk to it :P |
| 18:08.53 | enouf | flower: stop |
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| 18:09.02 | enouf | flower: stop showing only results of commands |
| 18:09.17 | enouf | flower: i will ignore you if you do not |
| 18:09.19 | Mike0x0 | I'm using dvdbackup to back up a DVD (no copyright protection). Is there a way to take that into an ISO? |
| 18:09.44 | abrotman | _2: does the card work anywhere else? |
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| 18:09.46 | enouf | Mike0x0: i do that using dd |
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| 18:09.51 | _2 | abrotman yeah |
| 18:09.58 | abrotman | in an older laptop ? |
| 18:09.59 | flower | enouf: k |
| 18:10.00 | enouf | Mike0x0: from the Original DVD though |
| 18:10.07 | _2 | abrotman yes |
| 18:10.26 | _2 | abrotman i have never tried it in this one. |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | _2: considered that the card might be too old to work in newer laptops? |
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| 18:10.42 | doti | someone knows a good text mode im client? I'm using centerim but is awful. The pass is stored in plain text |
| 18:10.52 | flower | enouf: if I hit the command /sbin/MAKEDEV in :/dev# I got: bash: /sbin/MAKEDEV: No such file or directory |
| 18:11.06 | enouf | flower: do not do that then - it's incorrect |
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| 18:11.14 | _2 | abrotman are you suggesting that pcmcia2 doesn't support pcmcia1 devices or something |
| 18:11.36 | enouf | flower: if you enter the command MAKEDEV while in /dev# that should work - but it's not needed anyway |
| 18:11.54 | _2 | abrotman that may indeed be the issue. i'll look into it. |
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| 18:12.26 | enouf | ls -l /dev/MAKEDEV should be a symlink pointing to the real file in /sbin/MAKEDEV - please man ln, and learn about symbolic links and hard links (symlinks) |
| 18:12.30 | enouf | flower: ^^^ |
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| 18:12.57 | flower | enouf: MAKEDEV gives: bash: MAKEDEV: command not found |
| 18:13.13 | enouf | flower: however, if within your chroot, you haven't either mounted /dev/, nor --bind mounted it prior, then that symlink will not exist, nor will anything in /dev/ |
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| 18:13.30 | _2 | enouf did you ever get him to make sure the script was there ? |
| 18:14.07 | enouf | flower: but that's not needed, so .. i think you need to start over, or test whether or not you are in /home/d/sid-chroot and actually chrooted into it |
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| 18:14.20 | enouf | _2: yes. it exists |
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| 18:14.36 | enouf | flower: my bad |
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| 18:14.51 | enouf | flower: from within /dev/ you need to do "./MAKEDEV" no quotes |
| 18:15.02 | Samuel-NotAFK | xorg is using WAY too much CPU when I enable Compiz. |
| 18:15.03 | enouf | man i suckass sometimes |
| 18:15.08 | _2 | non blank cause he pasted your ls -l results which could have created a blank file or blanked an existing one |
| 18:15.20 | _2 | jsut a thought |
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| 18:15.29 | enouf | it's moving so slow, i overshoot myself and forget required little things :-p |
| 18:15.51 | enouf | required mui-importante little things |
| 18:15.54 | flower | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m1be60050 |
| 18:16.03 | doti | what commands i have to use to transform paths like /var/log/syslog and /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf into /var/log and /etc/mplayer |
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| 18:16.37 | enouf | flower: ok then - and yikes, show me the output of 'mount' and 'df -T' |
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| 18:17.01 | _2 | doti dirname |
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| 18:17.15 | flower | enouf: in what kind of shell? as user root or in chroot? |
| 18:17.25 | Hefti | ok i am able to restore the original state of my vm |
| 18:17.38 | Hefti | which would be debian 4.0 etch |
| 18:17.48 | doti | _2: oooh, a lot of thanks |
| 18:18.20 | enouf | flower: oh, and what is /sbin/MAKEDEV doing inside your chroot ? and exit the chroot and ls -l /sbin/MAKEDEV ; and then cd /dev and ls -l MAKEDEV |
| 18:18.32 | Hefti | i am plan to host a few asp.net webpages, which will require me to use the latest mono packages, i am wondering if i really need lenny for this |
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| 18:18.36 | _2 | doti remember that one. and it's inverse basename which strips the path |
| 18:18.58 | _2 | both very handy |
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| 18:19.51 | enouf | flower: depends, i'm lost as to where and when you're issuing these commands, you seem to have nothing normal outside of the chroot -- i need to run now too - so please ask the channel for more help |
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| 18:20.10 | flower | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m6e7f636c |
| 18:20.16 | enouf | i like readlink myself |
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| 18:20.35 | _2 | also handy |
| 18:20.41 | flower | enouf: mh ok |
| 18:21.07 | flower | enouf: thanks anyway |
| 18:21.28 | _2 | one can use cut (and ls) for all the above |
| 18:21.43 | enouf | flower: got it now |
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| 18:22.21 | enouf | flower: cd /home/d/sid_chroot ; /sbin/MAKDEV |
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| 18:23.25 | enouf | flower: well, chroot into it - i think you're either a) forgetting to enter the chroot prior, or b) you're outside the chroot, yes cd'd into a dir/ made for it when issuing commands |
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| 18:23.36 | enouf | s/yes/yet |
| 18:23.39 | enouf | goes |
| 18:24.38 | Samuel-NotAFK | xorg is using WAY too much CPU when I enable Compiz. |
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| 18:38.06 | jon13 | bolt-work; It worked, thx! |
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| 18:39.05 | yang | Is there a ssl-blacklist applet for iceweasel in debian - http://codefromthe70s.org/sslblacklist.aspx |
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| 18:46.26 | roler | my web server keeps going to a crawl, it seems like the disk I/O is being saturated but I don't know by what. Sometimes when I go to edit a very small file, it takes 10 to 15 seconds to load in vim... is there a way I can find out what is using disk i/o? |
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| 18:47.55 | roler | my load average is 12.06, 12.57 and 8.61 but I don't see any running processes that are taking that much cpu! |
| 18:48.19 | cahoot | roler: iotop? |
| 18:48.19 | asg | roler: I/O wait most likely |
| 18:48.28 | _2 | ok i got lspcmcia to list he card, seems that more than one driver need be inserted. (probably would happen automaticly if i used dbus) |
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| 18:48.46 | roler | asg; so what is that??? and why? Just too much disk usage? |
| 18:48.49 | roler | cahoot; will try it |
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| 18:49.25 | asg | roler: no, it means some process or processes are waiting for I/O to complete (one often sees it with Network I/O like samba/CIFS) |
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| 18:50.35 | LamerC | Hello. I've got a ATI TV Wonder installed. I've tried xawtv and tvtime and I can get video for both of them, but can't get audio at all. |
| 18:50.45 | Samuel-NotAFK | My xorg is using WAY too much CPU when I enable Compiz. |
| 18:50.47 | roler | asg;. hmm. anyway to see what that is? I tried iotop as cahoot said but i I am only running 2.6.12 kernel :( |
| 18:51.12 | LamerC | In the past when using windows I remember setting softare upt to use line-in for audio, how do I configure xawtv/tvtime to do the same? |
| 18:51.24 | LamerC | or do I need to setup debian some other way |
| 18:53.24 | stoned | hello and morning good |
| 18:53.46 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Good evening. |
| 18:53.56 | stoned | LamerC, you mean some sort of a driver ? |
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| 18:54.16 | stoned | LamerC, I'm not sure what you are talking about here, what kind of software? |
| 18:54.20 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, thank you |
| 18:54.49 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, how are you monitoring xorg load, through top of some sort? |
| 18:55.25 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Yes. |
| 18:55.32 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, which debian release are you using? which video driver and card are you using? what is your xorg version, mesa version, etc.? Please provide more information |
| 18:55.54 | LamerC | I don't really know. I installed the tuner like normal, just put it in the PCI slot and close the case. Then when I booted into linux it auto-detected it. |
| 18:55.54 | _2 | stoned tob yom |
| 18:55.56 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Lenny |
| 18:55.56 | stoned | is using debian sid/exp with kde/compiz on open source radeon driver in xort 7.4 and its 100% okay |
| 18:56.15 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Intel GMA950 xserver-xorg-video-intel driver |
| 18:56.52 | stoned | _2, ? |
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| 18:57.29 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, which cpu? |
| 18:57.46 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, how much ram do you have? how are you monitoring the compiz load |
| 18:57.52 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny5 is the version of my graphics driver |
| 18:57.55 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: top |
| 18:57.56 | _2 | stoned day good |
| 18:57.58 | stoned | have you checked the debian bts for bugs |
| 18:58.12 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Intel Atom 1.6GHz 1GB DDR2 RAM |
| 18:58.15 | _2 | just answering you that's all |
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| 18:58.29 | stoned | _2, thanks, I didn't understand 'tob yom' |
| 18:58.36 | slick_ | ls |
| 18:58.40 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: This may be relevant: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451571 |
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| 18:59.22 | slick_ | any one try the new parsix distro yet |
| 18:59.49 | stoned | ok seems like you have a good handle on it, |
| 18:59.59 | stoned | slick_, try ##linux |
| 19:00.10 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Maybe I should add Option"XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" to my xorg.conf? |
| 19:00.23 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, I'm not sure, have you consulted with #compiz-fusion? |
| 19:00.33 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Yes and they're clueless. |
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| 19:01.05 | stoned | no man, I know plenty of people there who are excellent, and have ALWAYS provided a working solution |
| 19:01.08 | stoned | at least to my problems |
| 19:01.13 | stoned | try #compiz too then |
| 19:01.25 | stoned | I don't have time to read the entire bug thread |
| 19:01.27 | stoned | :( |
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| 19:05.26 | Samuel-NotAFK | BRB restaring x stoned |
| 19:06.16 | toolz | can I install debian on a laptop? |
| 19:06.17 | toolz | :) |
| 19:06.27 | lostson | toolz: no you cannot |
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| 19:06.45 | toolz | why? it wont work? |
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| 19:06.46 | maligor | toolz, why couldn't you |
| 19:07.03 | toolz | dunno just asked |
| 19:07.09 | lostson | toolz: no it wont work laptops are not compatible with debian |
| 19:07.17 | toolz | k |
| 19:07.30 | lostson | toolz: i am not serious btw |
| 19:07.49 | toolz | hmm |
| 19:07.53 | lostson | debian will run perfectly fine on a laptop sorry thought you were joking around |
| 19:08.02 | maligor | you might need to manually install laptop specific stuff |
| 19:08.09 | toolz | I am not kidding :D |
| 19:08.12 | maligor | not sure if the installer does |
| 19:08.26 | maligor | like laptop-mode |
| 19:08.28 | toolz | like wireless lan? |
| 19:08.36 | toolz | and stuff? will it see such? |
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| 19:08.49 | maligor | wlan requires exact same stuff as wlan does on desktops :P |
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| 19:09.11 | maligor | lowlevel hw support is mostly in the kernel |
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| 19:09.30 | maligor | mostly because there are some userspace drivers these days, I think all of them are usb devices |
| 19:09.35 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: I think I may have sorted my problem. |
| 19:09.41 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: I'm going to check and make sure now. |
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| 19:10.11 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: I think I partially solved it. |
| 19:10.21 | maligor | toolz, if it's a new laptop, you might want to install lenny instead of stable also |
| 19:10.23 | _2 | Err http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main hdparm 8.9-2 |
| 19:10.27 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: I tweaked my xorg.conf a bit according to the last post in that thread. |
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| 19:10.34 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.08 | maligor | _2, why are you using master? |
| 19:11.26 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: It still uses more CPU than without Compiz but I think this is normal anyway. |
| 19:11.32 | maligor | but 404's are usually fixed by updating your apt sources |
| 19:11.33 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: Thanks for your help. |
| 19:11.55 | smacnay | Samuel-NotAFK: Compiz will eat up a bit more cpu than without it running. |
| 19:12.53 | toolz | maligor its a toshiba equium m70 |
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| 19:13.33 | _2 | maligor ? |
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| 19:15.02 | maligor | _2, afaik ftp.debian.org points to debian master |
| 19:15.13 | maligor | better to use local mirrors |
| 19:15.14 | jon13 | toolz; I just installed lenny on my thinkpad x31. Its working fine. Had to install wireless driver manually though |
| 19:15.49 | maligor | _2, as for updating your package lists, use aptitude update |
| 19:15.55 | _2 | maligor because you didn't tell me how to setup my sources.list when i was about to upgrade from etch to lenny ??? |
| 19:16.22 | maligor | heh |
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| 19:16.49 | maligor | you can just use ftp.[country].debian.org |
| 19:17.06 | maligor | where [country] is the two letter country id often found at the end of local urls |
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| 19:17.13 | _2 | maligor better for the servers or for me ? |
| 19:17.19 | maligor | err.. hostnames |
| 19:17.55 | maligor | ftp.us.debian.org I guess for americas |
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| 19:19.41 | Zambezi | I installed Hamachi which I downloaded from their homepage, but it's just causing me problem. Anyone sucessfully made it working? I can join network, but not a multiplayer-game in UT2004. |
| 19:20.13 | djolefol | Hi, how to import a root certificate into system-wide database so that Firefox etc. would automatically get it into use. Commanding update-ca-certificates in Ubuntu 8.10 does not make Firefox to receive the imported crt -> it has to be manually imported to Firefox, Evolution, Thunderbird. |
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| 19:24.14 | KULLEKULLE | coorengel?? erik ?? |
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| 19:28.17 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to rsh but when I run rsh moaix -l admin "ls -la" I get this |
| 19:28.25 | edwin_quijada | ssh: connect to host mosaix port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:28.49 | simonrvn | um, obvious what it's saying |
| 19:28.51 | stew | edwin_quijada: you are trying to use the unencrypted rsh instead of ssh? |
| 19:28.53 | edwin_quijada | Aparently it trys to use ssh but I dont have SSH in remote host just telnet |
| 19:29.02 | edwin_quijada | stew: yes! |
| 19:29.12 | stew | edwin_quijada: update-alternatives --config rsh |
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| 19:29.32 | edwin_quijada | where: remote or guest? |
| 19:29.42 | simonrvn | local |
| 19:29.47 | stew | edwin_quijada: the machine where you are running "rsh" |
| 19:30.04 | stew | edwin_quijada: this assumes you have the rsh-client (or some equivalent) package installed already |
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| 19:30.55 | edwin_quijada | it seems I dont have anything package with rsh |
| 19:30.57 | edwin_quijada | just ssh |
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| 19:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | edwin_quijada, look with apt-file |
| 19:31.16 | edwin_quijada | what package has this |
| 19:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ( /msg dpkg apt-file or /msg dpkg search ) |
| 19:31.32 | edwin_quijada | apt-search |
| 19:31.41 | edwin_quijada | apt-cache search |
| 19:31.44 | edwin_quijada | apt-cache search telnet |
| 19:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
| 19:32.00 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 19:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 19:32.05 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
| 19:32.49 | enouf | notes that apt-cache search rsh returns "harsh! - someone to shout at you whenever you want" |
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| 19:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can talk to the bot yourself if you type "/msg dpkg apt-file" dpkg will answer you privately (which will reduce load on the main channel) |
| 19:33.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, haha :) |
| 19:33.09 | enouf | :-p |
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| 19:34.41 | stoned | huh |
| 19:34.51 | stoned | whats the matter with you? |
| 19:35.41 | bstock | i was wondering if anyone has experience running debian on Dell Poweredge server with RD1000 backup unit - that's the backup unit that takes removable hard drives |
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| 19:36.54 | simonrvn | test |
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| 19:37.00 | simonrvn | urgh |
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| 19:38.00 | enouf | bstock: not i, atleast not yet - anyways; might be something useful at/through http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 19:38.15 | doti | Hello. I'm using debian on a macbook. How can i bind the multimedia keys to execute shell commands? (Without X) |
| 19:38.34 | enouf | showkey and loadkeys? |
| 19:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, test failed |
| 19:39.05 | enouf | doti: other thoughts http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
| 19:39.26 | enouf | doti: try wiki.debian.org/MacBook as well |
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| 19:40.37 | my007ms | i need to make every user have public_html |
| 19:40.51 | enouf | http://pbbuttons.berlios.de/ |
| 19:41.00 | my007ms | and i install apache2 but can not find any option abut this |
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| 19:41.21 | stew | my007ms: a2enmod userdir |
| 19:41.23 | GhostlyDeath|EEE | What does status: { DRD ERR }, error: { UNC } mean? |
| 19:41.46 | GhostlyDeath|EEE | DRDY* |
| 19:42.18 | SpeedyG | that its broke! |
| 19:42.50 | GhostlyDeath|EEE | uh |
| 19:42.50 | my007ms | stew any links ? |
| 19:42.54 | GhostlyDeath|EEE | but how is it broke? |
| 19:43.01 | stew | my007ms: what do you mean? |
| 19:43.45 | my007ms | stew any article allow me to make this future enable |
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| 19:44.08 | sputnick | hi |
| 19:44.28 | stew | my007ms: to enable userdir, run the command "a2enmod userdir" if you are looking for documentation on mod_userdir: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html |
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| 19:44.53 | sputnick | what is the best way to install nvidia kernel modules for a 2.6.18 kernel ? m-a a-i failed... |
| 19:44.57 | stew | my007ms: you can look at the configuration that enables with "cat /etc/apace2/mods-available/userdir*" |
| 19:45.10 | sputnick | s/2.6.18/2.6.28 sorry |
| 19:45.12 | my007ms | stew that was easy :). thanks sooo much |
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| 19:46.56 | mirkash | drasko gde si |
| 19:47.03 | edwin_quijada | update-alternatives --config rsh I get Just one program give rsh |
| 19:47.18 | edwin_quijada | what another program give me rsh |
| 19:47.35 | abrotman | mirkash: english please |
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| 19:51.11 | mirkash | hi drashko |
| 19:51.18 | mirkash | i have setup |
| 19:51.24 | mirkash | fw |
| 19:51.28 | drasko_ | ago pm |
| 19:51.29 | mirkash | on my router |
| 19:51.32 | drasko_ | go pm |
| 19:51.36 | abrotman | drasko_: stop |
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| 19:53.44 | doti | enouf: where can i find keyboard types for hotkeys? |
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| 19:54.17 | rking | enouf: You helped me a few days ago -- switching to the 'testing' ISO fixed all my problems. (Thanks.) |
| 19:54.26 | enouf | doti: i don't know, and i'm sure i even understant that question |
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| 19:54.57 | doti | enouf: xD ok |
| 19:55.00 | enouf | rking: excellent |
| 19:55.26 | enouf | doti: i meant, /i'm not sure i even.../ |
| 19:56.23 | doti | enouf: i need to set the keyboard type to use hotkeys and i searching for macbook type but i don't know where to search |
| 19:56.48 | bstock | enouf: thx for the link, sry for the late reply btw. I was just wondering how linux sees those RD1000 drives. I think it sees it as just a standard HD but not sure |
| 19:57.12 | enouf | doti: perhaps you mean hrm .. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup? |
| 19:57.40 | enouf | bstock: righto, np |
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| 19:59.46 | dashs | Will mdadm list the UUID of an active RAID? |
| 19:59.57 | enouf | sure |
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| 20:00.12 | dashs | OK -- how? |
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| 20:00.41 | doti | enouf: yeah, i can see the keyboard models with that command, but i need the keyboard type for hotkeys package. For example, for an Acer Wireless keyboard the type is acerwl |
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| 20:01.25 | enouf | doti: oh dear, i have no idea :-< |
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| 20:01.57 | doti | enouf: ok, thanks anyway |
| 20:02.32 | dashs | sorry to bother --misc -E /dev/xxx |
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| 20:02.58 | enouf | dashs: i guesss /proc/mdstat doesn't? how about man mdadm see -scan |
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| 20:03.53 | bstock | dashs: mdadm --detail /dev/xxx |
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| 20:04.04 | bstock | worked for me |
| 20:04.11 | bstock | on ubuntu server anyway |
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| 20:05.23 | enouf | doti: sidenote; note /etc/inputrc (and please don't edit without 1st making a backup you can easily restore) and files in /etc/console*/* |
| 20:05.50 | nick4 | I have just set up static IPs on Lenny. I can ping myself and a second machine on the network but I can't ping the router |
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| 20:06.32 | enouf | is the 2nd machine hooked into the router as well? |
| 20:07.04 | nick4 | enouf yes, they worked ok with DHCP |
| 20:07.04 | enouf | pinging yourself means lo is up, iinm - maybe you want to set the router as default gateway? |
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| 20:07.30 | rking | I have `/dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=rking)`, but when I do `touch /media/cdrom0/foo` the response is that it is a Read-only file system... but there's the (rw,...) option. Is it because it's iso9660 ? |
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| 20:07.43 | nick4 | enouf the router is set as gateway, in /etc/network/interface, I can paste the file in pastebin but it's going to take me some time because I need to type it by hand |
| 20:08.08 | enouf | rking: likely - especially you will see that if/when you loop mount |
| 20:08.31 | enouf | rking: i mean loop mount iso9660 FSs |
| 20:08.51 | rking | is it possible to get a CD-RW working like a USB drive: mount, do stuff (read or write), unmount, happy ? |
| 20:08.52 | enouf | nick4: route output and arp output |
| 20:09.12 | enouf | sure |
| 20:09.18 | nick4 | enouf ok, this is going to take some time, brb |
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| 20:09.31 | enouf | do stuff means burning a track/session |
| 20:09.51 | enouf | to use it as a floppy, you want/need packet-writing UDF stuffs |
| 20:10.00 | doti | enouf: thanks |
| 20:10.30 | enouf | see udf* pkg? with mkudffs and such things |
| 20:10.45 | rking | k, I'll find out that way. As it is, I popped in the disk, got the `nautilus --no-desktop burn:` which comes from Gnome's "Removable Drives and Media" preference, but when I reinserted now it's acting all Read-only. |
| 20:11.06 | enouf | or, i think you would want -RAM media .. never used either though |
| 20:11.24 | rking | enouf: ...getting udftools now |
| 20:11.30 | edwin_quijada | uranio:/etc/samba# rsh mosaix -l admin "ls -l" |
| 20:11.30 | edwin_quijada | remshd: Login incorrect |
| 20:11.30 | enouf | rking: run eject /dev/cdrom0 |
| 20:11.34 | rking | enouf: k |
| 20:11.39 | enouf | rking: run eject -t /dev/cdrom0 (to close tray) |
| 20:12.04 | enouf | or replace with /dev/scd0 or sr0 or whatever |
| 20:12.18 | simonrvn | enouf: mkduffs ? :P |
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| 20:12.32 | enouf | haha - i know, looks .. er muffy! :-) |
| 20:13.13 | enouf | mkbifffs ; mkhappyfs ; mkmuffyfs :-P |
| 20:13.17 | nick4 | enouf http://pastebin.com/m64012e12 |
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| 20:13.43 | rking | enouf: it's a laptop with a little pushy tray thing, eject -t is not going to behave any differently than just pushing the tray closed, right? |
| 20:13.55 | enouf | nick4: well, i meant for your own diagnosing, i don't know what address it's supposed to show - but wait |
| 20:14.04 | enouf | rking: no |
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| 20:14.09 | nick4 | enouf ahhh |
| 20:14.16 | nick4 | well i dont know how to interpret them :p[ |
| 20:14.19 | rking | ls |
| 20:14.24 | rking | d'oh! (w/w) |
| 20:14.32 | nick4 | but 10.0.0.1 doesnt look good, wasnt that supposed to look 10.0.0.1 ? |
| 20:15.19 | kcin8 | anyone here using an APC backup usint connected via USB? i'm wondering if i can split that rj-45 to USB cable so miltiple systems can use the UPS & shudown properly |
| 20:15.21 | enouf | nick4: route out[put looks ok |
| 20:15.28 | nick4 | hmm ok |
| 20:15.40 | enouf | nick4: does the MAC addy match for 10.0.0.1 device? |
| 20:15.44 | rking | kcin8: I'd think software, personally. |
| 20:15.53 | nick4 | enouf let me check that |
| 20:16.01 | rking | kcin8: Just augment the UPS alert script on the main machine and then send the commands to the others |
| 20:16.26 | nick4 | enouf 10.0.0.1 is the router, how do I check router's MAC? |
| 20:16.40 | enouf | nick4: erm .. through it's webmin interface? |
| 20:16.55 | enouf | nick4: you have eth0 with 2 separate MAC addresses? |
| 20:17.03 | enouf | nick4: in arp output |
| 20:17.17 | nick4 | enouf no, I dont think so. Where did you see that? :-/ |
| 20:17.23 | enouf | look :-P |
| 20:17.28 | kcin8 | yeah i would run the software on one box but idk how i could send commands to other machines to shutdown |
| 20:17.31 | enouf | 10.0.0.1 vs .3 |
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| 20:17.47 | kcin8 | i will need to shutdown 2 other linux systems and 1 running windows |
| 20:17.51 | rking | kcin8: ssh |
| 20:18.39 | nick4 | enouf .1 is the router, .3 is the PC I am now |
| 20:18.39 | nick4 | enouf .2 is debian |
| 20:18.39 | simonrvn | don't squeeze the moose, it'll squish you back |
| 20:18.40 | enouf | nick4: not according to arp :-P |
| 20:18.40 | rking | kcin8: the windows... I'm not sure. Perhaps that could be the master and you could use Cygwin on that machine to ssh to the others (?) |
| 20:18.53 | nick4 | let me see that |
| 20:18.57 | klync | i was under the impression you could remotely trigger a windows server to shutdown by looking at it funny |
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| 20:19.06 | enouf | nick4: wait. i might be way off .. |
| 20:19.15 | simonrvn | klync: forgot the sideways |
| 20:19.23 | nick4 | enouf I see two eth0 but different MACs |
| 20:19.26 | rking | kcin8: or, actually, I think Cygwin should have sshd and a `shutdown` command. You'll have to set it up so that it can do passwordless access (I used to use .ssh2/known_hosts , IIRC -- not sure if that's right or current) |
| 20:19.42 | kcin8 | hmm yeah idk which one should be my main. best would be my linux router cause it should always be on |
| 20:19.58 | simonrvn | authorized_keys |
| 20:20.36 | rking | kcin8: I'm sure there's a way like that |
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| 20:20.42 | rking | simonrvn: yep. Is that still the right way? |
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| 20:20.46 | enouf | sorry - maybe ask in ##networking if nobody can help you nick4 -- yes, i noticed |
| 20:20.50 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:20.50 | kcin8 | but it would be aazing it it could shutdown some of my oother systems if i'm not present |
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| 20:21.36 | simonrvn | "the huuman is not here, shutdown?" "no. let's piss the huuman off, hehehe" |
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| 20:21.47 | enouf | nick4: i can't think of why your router wouldn |
| 20:22.03 | enouf | t respond to ping, unless you turned off ICMP echo? |
| 20:22.06 | l33tdude | hi, why isn't Opera web browser in Debian testing repos? does it violate DFSG? |
| 20:22.09 | kcin8 | is why i was wondering if i could just split that cable and have that UPS plugged in usb to both systems |
| 20:22.11 | dustybin | i cannot find a decent 'make-ssl-cert' guide anywhere on the internet :( |
| 20:22.21 | zinx | l33tdude: considering there isn't any source at all, it certainly does |
| 20:22.47 | kcin8 | the linux could shutdown the others and the windows would run its own software to shutdown |
| 20:22.47 | nick4 | enouf I can't access the web page of the router either |
| 20:23.01 | enouf | nick4: bad cable? wrong port? |
| 20:23.13 | nick4 | enouf I dont know, I will try to switch cables |
| 20:23.21 | enouf | nick4: recycle the router's power? |
| 20:23.45 | enouf | nick4: i mean, you're not in the uplink/WAN port or AP port or anything? |
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| 20:24.17 | nkuttler | oh noes, a "should of" in a debian changelog |
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| 20:24.25 | nick4 | enouf you mean turn it off and then back on? I can do this |
| 20:24.30 | enouf | your router is part of my evil botnet :-P |
| 20:24.43 | enouf | yes, wait 10 seconds in betweeen |
| 20:25.26 | nick4 | enouf oh crap! you pwned me through adobe-flash? :P |
| 20:25.29 | rking | nkuttler: where? |
| 20:25.37 | nkuttler | dustybin: what do you mean by decent? apache should come with some docs. else there's still the postinst script |
| 20:25.48 | nkuttler | rking: procps 1:3.2.7-10 |
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| 20:26.00 | enouf | nkuttler: $ grep shit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst |
| 20:26.06 | dustybin | nkuttler: think i might create them manually with the openssl command |
| 20:26.07 | nkuttler | enouf: :) |
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| 20:26.59 | dustybin | does debian have a good secure record when dealing with SSL? |
| 20:27.12 | stew | dustybin: no |
| 20:27.15 | dustybin | :P |
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| 20:27.25 | stew | dustybin: /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 20:28.18 | ttf | hi.. gnome-cups-manger has been removed in the past - what can I use for an alternative? |
| 20:28.47 | ttf | I'm specifically looking for the gnome-cups-icon which displays the printer status while printing |
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| 20:36.34 | Samuel-NotAFK | My system hangs at "Begin : Waiting for root file system . . ." during a boot. :( |
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| 20:40.38 | Samuel-NotAFK | NVM |
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| 20:41.23 | _2 | laptop has builtin 'modem' and pcmcia card modem but wvdialconf finds nothing. ? |
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| 20:49.44 | _2 | can anyone advise in this matter ? (something besides jfgi please) |
| 20:50.15 | abrotman | do the devices exist in /dev/ ? |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | does dmesg acknowledge them? |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | are oyu in the correct group? did you load a driver for your maybe-win-modem ? |
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| 20:51.36 | _2 | abrotman the pc card yes dmesg sees it and lspcmcia sees it |
| 20:51.46 | _2 | abrotman the builtin neither |
| 20:52.06 | _2 | well neither lshw nor dmesg |
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| 20:53.14 | abrotman | _2: the internal doesn't even show on lshw ? |
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| 20:53.41 | enouf | using kde? try kppp? or linmodem(s).org? (almost a jfgi, but not quite :-P) |
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| 20:54.02 | nick4 | enouf I just restarted all systems (including the router) and it now works |
| 20:54.03 | enouf | oh, for builtin, is it enabled in the BIOS? |
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| 20:54.23 | enouf | nick4: \o/ compare to what you've posted in other pastebins? |
| 20:54.50 | nick4 | enouf hmmm... compare? what do you mean? |
| 20:54.59 | enouf | diff |
| 20:55.02 | _2 | abrotman nope. i'll reboot to see if bios mentions it. but i don't recall any thing about it in bios. |
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| 20:55.35 | enouf | http://pastebin.com/m64012e12 nick4 - what do those commands output now? |
| 20:55.37 | nick4 | enouf nothing, I didn't changed anything, I just shut down and started again the machines :D |
| 20:55.42 | nick4 | ohhh |
| 20:55.43 | nick4 | wait |
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| 20:56.29 | abrotman | _2: and what does the pcmcia modem return from lspcmcia? |
| 20:56.33 | nick4 | enouf they are precisely the same |
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| 20:57.20 | enouf | nick4: aye ... so, if you didn't change cables/ports, the router was likely being buggy |
| 20:57.34 | _2 | abrotman Socket 0 Device 0: [-- no driver --] (bus ID: 0.0) |
| 20:57.42 | nick4 | enouf yeah :( and it's a zyxel.... |
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| 20:58.02 | _2 | abrotman but lshw has correct output for it. 3com U.S. Robotics 3056 |
| 20:58.14 | enouf | nick4: your ISP might've shot out a bullet , or just uploaded new firmware to modem |
| 20:58.17 | specing | Does anybody know where to get the latest debian kernel if I dont have debian? |
| 20:58.27 | peleg | My lynx, weirdly, does not show <link> tags. Do you know what is the appropriate configuration that should control it? |
| 20:58.30 | TheOnly | speaker219, packages.debian.org |
| 20:58.35 | TheOnly | oops |
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| 20:58.41 | TheOnly | specing, that was for you |
| 20:58.51 | iShock | How can I view a list of installed programs, starting with the biggest in size? |
| 20:58.55 | nick4 | enouf no, it's europe here, ISPs don't control that much our equipment :D |
| 20:59.06 | nick4 | enouf I get an electric shot when I touched the router, maybe there is a leak? |
| 20:59.13 | enouf | hahaha |
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| 20:59.23 | enouf | well .. sorry! no, not funny |
| 20:59.36 | abrotman | _2: so does the /dev/ttyS0 exist? |
| 20:59.40 | enouf | nick4: check that the ground is not lifted |
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| 20:59.58 | enouf | nick4: also, that's 220/240 there - be careful, that can kill |
| 21:00.03 | nick4 | enouf ohhh... well I dont even know what's grounding... |
| 21:00.08 | ElDiabolo | iShock: dpkg-query --show --showformat '${Status}|${Installed-Size;6}|${Package}\n' | tr ' ' '0'| grep install0ok0installed | sort |
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| 21:00.38 | enouf | nick4: was it a static electric shock? from rubbing carpets or balloons? |
| 21:00.40 | enouf | :-P |
| 21:00.41 | _2 | enouf bios makes no mention of it at all |
| 21:00.50 | enouf | or .. was it an electrical shock |
| 21:01.20 | enouf | _2: yikes - hrm, any buttons along on the side - On/Off wifi/modem? |
| 21:01.22 | nick4 | enouf no no, something like a balloon. I have carpets, yes |
| 21:01.31 | cmdln | I cant seem to find a good description of the difference between nscd and nss-updatedb can anyone shed some light on what they do differently? |
| 21:01.47 | _2 | abrotman yeah static device nodes are there |
| 21:02.01 | abrotman | _2: using lenny? not static .. try to use pppconf |
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| 21:02.07 | abrotman | pppconfig .. whatever it is |
| 21:02.13 | _2 | yes using lenny, not using udev |
| 21:02.15 | l33tdude | zinx: ah i see |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | _2: yes you are |
| 21:02.32 | enouf | iShock: dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
| 21:02.40 | _2 | abrotman you sure ? |
| 21:02.41 | abrotman | _2: unless you're using your own kernel .. which if you are, i might get very angry |
| 21:02.49 | abrotman | you won't like me when i'm angry :) |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | _2: dpkg -l udev |
| 21:03.34 | _2 | abrotman just because i installed it doesn't mean i'm using it. |
| 21:03.36 | enouf | heh |
| 21:03.47 | abrotman | _2: does /dev/.static/ exist? |
| 21:03.51 | _2 | no |
| 21:03.56 | enouf | hides |
| 21:04.00 | _2 | and /dev is not a mountpoint |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | ps aux | grep udev .. is udevd running ? |
| 21:04.11 | _2 | no |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | _2: uname -a ? |
| 21:04.21 | enouf | in a bunker |
| 21:04.26 | _2 | it's the stock lenny kernel |
| 21:04.29 | abrotman | _2: uname -a ? |
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| 21:04.38 | _2 | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 21:04.57 | _2 | taps fingernails on desk |
| 21:05.11 | abrotman | so why did oyu kill udev? |
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| 21:05.30 | _2 | abrotman i didn't "kill" it, i just never started it. |
| 21:05.44 | _2 | i don't like udev really. |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | AFAIK, it runs if you install it |
| 21:05.49 | enouf | it starts unless you kill it |
| 21:05.58 | _2 | enouf define kill |
| 21:06.06 | abrotman | and devfs is dead upstream |
| 21:06.11 | enouf | unless you bypassed rcS which i doubt |
| 21:06.15 | TheOnly | it doesnt start if you have it removed from rc |
| 21:06.18 | abrotman | oh .. sorry it's not /dev/.static/ |
| 21:06.29 | _2 | the process never starts at boot time on this system. so i don't "kill" it. |
| 21:06.36 | enouf | used to be /dev/.static/dev |
| 21:06.46 | abrotman | yeah .. changed again |
| 21:06.52 | ElDiabolo | How can a multiseat system become less stable when I create an LVM snapshot ? Gdm did not start both desktops anymore. |
| 21:06.53 | enouf | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 21:07.05 | enouf | _2: kill == keep from ever living :-P |
| 21:07.27 | _2 | aborted before conception != kill |
| 21:07.33 | _2 | ;/ |
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| 21:07.49 | abrotman | _2: maybe you should try starting it ... |
| 21:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, eek, you're an anti abortion guy |
| 21:07.50 | enouf | _2: in Debian, it's concepted |
| 21:07.53 | edwin_quijada | Hi!} |
| 21:08.00 | _2 | heh. |
| 21:08.01 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: sue me |
| 21:08.04 | enouf | :-p |
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| 21:08.17 | _2 | anyway. did you really want to see the cmdline ? |
| 21:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you and millions of stupid americans... yeah, right |
| 21:08.23 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to connect to HPAUX with rsh and I am getting the same errro |
| 21:08.25 | enouf | _2: the initrd even has udev magics |
| 21:08.26 | edwin_quijada | remshd: Login incorrect. |
| 21:08.36 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: terrorist! |
| 21:08.40 | _2 | enouf not this initramfs image |
| 21:08.44 | enouf | haha |
| 21:08.49 | edwin_quijada | I added my server to .rchosts |
| 21:08.55 | enouf | debian kernel + custom initrd == killed :-P |
| 21:09.14 | enouf | linux-image-version == debian kernel (distibuted) |
| 21:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ... careful, a lot of serious men in army suits might come through your or my window if you use this word so freely in irc |
| 21:09.21 | _2 | i beg to differ, == prevented from starting |
| 21:09.41 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: let's use the Elmer Fudd version then .. |
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| 21:10.12 | simonrvn | how do i find a character in a doc at a certain point? i've been given the position in terms of number of characters, and i'm using emacs. |
| 21:10.16 | abrotman | _2: so you're using yaird instead ? |
| 21:10.28 | enouf | knows someone ran off smashing things .. ahh they're back :-) |
| 21:10.31 | _2 | abrotman 'yaird' ? |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | wait .. yaird is gone |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | _2: so ... the debian kernel depends on initramfs-tools which depends on udev .. and you're not running .. but you're surprised things don't work? |
| 21:10.58 | jelly-home | maybe not gone, but going once, twice |
| 21:10.59 | enouf | is it? it was available till very recently IIRC |
| 21:11.19 | simonrvn | i already have a goto-line func, just need to find out per char |
| 21:11.29 | _2 | abrotman things do work. they just aren't as automatic. |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | okay.. then figure out how to make wvdial work :) |
| 21:11.56 | simonrvn | oh never mind, heh, M-x goto-char |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | judd: versions yaird |
| 21:12.05 | judd | abrotman: yaird -- etch: 0.0.12-18etch1 sid: 0.0.13-5 |
| 21:12.12 | enouf | Ctrl-M simonrvn! |
| 21:12.15 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:12.22 | _2 | abrotman ok. |
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| 21:12.33 | abrotman | _2: if the device exists, and you're in the group, should work |
| 21:12.46 | enouf | _2: no dbus either, right? |
| 21:12.59 | _2 | abrotman i know. but i think i'm not inserting the right module some place |
| 21:13.00 | enouf | how about hal? did you kill the 9000? |
| 21:13.13 | enouf | is your name Dave? |
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| 21:13.24 | _2 | enouf neither. and no gui no partitions no suid .... |
| 21:13.48 | abrotman | you can have dbus installed without having a GUI |
| 21:13.58 | _2 | i know that. |
| 21:13.58 | enouf | why don;t you just use slackware or LFS or gentoo :-P |
| 21:14.10 | _2 | you can even have dbus and hal running without a gui |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | _2: humor us .. start udev |
| 21:14.27 | abrotman | or stop keeping it from starting |
| 21:14.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you could use head -c number ... not sure about emacs |
| 21:14.54 | _2 | considers using the stock initramfs for one boot... |
| 21:15.10 | _2 | but then i'd need to run the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/ too... |
| 21:15.13 | simonrvn | enouf: ctrl-m ? |
| 21:15.28 | enouf | simonrvn: yeah, horrible emacs ctrl key digg |
| 21:15.32 | abrotman | gives up trying to help people that try to outsmart the system |
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| 21:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, actually, ESC-number-rightArrow does the trick, it seems |
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| 21:16.02 | _2 | abrotman :) one last question. "what is 'the system'" ? |
| 21:16.14 | enouf | simonrvn: i was attempting to be humorous, ignore me - thanks ;-) |
| 21:16.15 | abrotman | apparently you're not running udev or the original initramfs |
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| 21:16.43 | enouf | system-of-a-down |
| 21:16.48 | stoned | there is nothing wrong with trying to outsmart the system. It means one is thinking, maybe even critically |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | stoned: that only works if you konw what you're doing |
| 21:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | chop suey? |
| 21:17.19 | stoned | give props for that at least, then tell him why it might be a bad idea, don't give up! |
| 21:17.19 | enouf | sure, but being upfront about it is always better |
| 21:17.23 | stoned | abrotman, that too |
| 21:17.24 | _2 | original initramfs ? no initramfs is in the kernel packages it's built on site i just tweeked the configs a bit |
| 21:17.38 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: looks like that worked. nice. thanks |
| 21:17.39 | abrotman | stoned: and if you're complaining things don't work right, maybe you've done something wrong |
| 21:17.52 | stoned | abrotman, usually |
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| 21:18.06 | enouf | _2: it's get's manufactured during installation of linux-image-version - man mkinitramfs |
| 21:18.21 | _2 | enouf i jsut said that |
| 21:18.27 | enouf | i see |
| 21:18.51 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: bit confusing, but once i hit return all's good |
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| 21:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, return? I don't need to hit return for this |
| 21:19.50 | simonrvn | i did |
| 21:20.03 | enouf | powerpc? |
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| 21:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's a difference between xemacs and emacs |
| 21:20.23 | simonrvn | yeh, possibly |
| 21:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I should probably have said meta-number-arrow-right |
| 21:20.41 | _2 | oh, i just checked and don't have an initramfs that contains udev any more. i can start it form the command line if that works correctly ? |
| 21:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, of course, you have to start out from the beginning of the file :) |
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| 21:21.52 | lunaphyte_ | i've added an alias to eth1 (eth1:0) - how can i make all traffic related to that interface use a different default gateway? |
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| 21:22.12 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:22.12 | _2 | i guess it isn't advised http://pastebin.com/f6907da2 |
| 21:22.44 | subsume | Could someone help me with the address for etch-backports for my sources.list? |
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| 21:23.12 | eanda | ldaplinux clients cannot access network shares without entering username and password. Windows clients have no issue. running a Samba/Ldap pdc. Where do I look to resolve this |
| 21:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | subsume, "/msg dpkg bpo"? |
| 21:23.14 | stew | subsume: if you go to 'http://backports.org' there is an instructions page you should start with |
| 21:23.23 | subsume | Thanks. |
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| 21:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you must have something configured differently - if I run emacs21-x, I don't need to hit enter either |
| 21:25.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, it prints e.g. esc-5-5-right and moves the cursor |
| 21:25.04 | simonrvn | actually, i didn't hit return this time after the arrow |
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| 21:25.28 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 21:27.06 | _2 | ok udevd is running now |
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| 21:27.42 | subsume | crapola. etch-backport for mod_wsgi wants py2.4. should I just compile it myself? |
| 21:28.39 | _2 | abrotman humored udevd running. |
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| 21:29.35 | _2 | wvdialconf now fails much faster lol |
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| 21:29.44 | Samuel-NotAFK | How do I change the keymap the console uses when entering my dm-crypt password? It's currently set as en-gb when I want it to be en-us |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | subsume: it's already in etch |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | _2: does it give a useful error ? |
| 21:30.23 | subsume | abrotman: oooh. ok. thanks. |
| 21:30.24 | _2 | no |
| 21:30.29 | _2 | no modems found |
| 21:30.32 | subsume | abrotman: any idea how I can get its version? |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | subsume: apt-cache policy <foo> |
| 21:31.10 | subsume | abrotman: since its 'already in etch' I'm not sure what to use for <foo> |
| 21:31.17 | bingoli | kk |
| 21:31.18 | abrotman | subsume: apt-cache search python 2.4 |
| 21:31.31 | subsume | abrotman: I'm sorry. I have 2.6. |
| 21:31.39 | abrotman | subsume: and what? |
| 21:32.23 | subsume | woops. 2.5 I mean. |
| 21:32.33 | abrotman | subsume: and what? |
| 21:32.37 | abrotman | you can install both |
| 21:32.57 | subsume | right, but I don't want the package if its an old mod_wsgi |
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| 21:33.10 | subsume | (debian packages tend not to be cutting edge) |
| 21:33.35 | kibibyte | what does cutting edge mean |
| 21:33.40 | _2 | that's why i tend to like debian |
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| 21:33.56 | subsume | I agree. That's why I like it too...except when I need mod_wsgi 2.3 |
| 21:33.59 | _2 | kibibyte means the newer version than you havve |
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| 21:34.16 | kibibyte | ?? |
| 21:34.38 | kibibyte | you mean old |
| 21:34.46 | subsume | ... |
| 21:34.48 | subsume | who's on first? |
| 21:34.50 | abrotman | kibibyte: cutting edge means pretty new software |
| 21:35.03 | kibibyte | ohh |
| 21:35.03 | abrotman | kibibyte: i'm sure google could give you a better definition |
| 21:35.09 | subsume | abrotman: did you mean mod-wsgi was in etch or py? |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | python2.4 |
| 21:35.19 | subsume | ahh, ok. |
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| 21:36.20 | RaFromBRC | grr... i get sent into here by the #exim folks... anyone know how i can get exim to block delivery of all messages to any "example.com" domains? |
| 21:36.41 | abrotman | why sent here? |
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| 21:37.17 | RaFromBRC | abrotman: i'm trying to do so using a CHECK_RCPT_LOCAL_ACL_FILE, which is a debian specific convention |
| 21:37.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:37.29 | RaFromBRC | and i was impolitic enough to mention that ;-) |
| 21:37.39 | kibibyte | but why it cuts edge |
| 21:37.39 | abrotman | calls upon the power of petemc! |
| 21:37.40 | kibibyte | ? |
| 21:37.42 | Samuel-NotAFK | The keymap used by Debian at boot doesn't seem to change no matter what I do. :( |
| 21:37.43 | abrotman | nope .. failed |
| 21:37.51 | abrotman | kibibyte: ask google .. |
| 21:38.21 | abrotman | kibibyte: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=definition+cutting+edge&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 21:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, your powers are waining .... I bet you can't even call upon the power of dpkg eithre :-P |
| 21:38.38 | _2 | [ The following cards are WinModems and are NOT supported ] 3Com/USRobotics 3014A, 3056, 3057 <<< Last updated: 2000/07/20 23:03:27 anyone know if that has changed ? |
| 21:38.38 | abrotman | for what? |
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| 21:39.02 | abrotman | _2: jebus .. i hope so .. /msg dpkg winmodems .. one of the sites (start.at i think) has a test suite |
| 21:39.14 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: need the bot for what? i have a brain! |
| 21:39.36 | _2 | abrotman roger that |
| 21:40.32 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: now find me a dual-dvi intel card please :) |
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| 21:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what for? |
| 21:41.53 | _2 | abrotman the start.at 404 - Address Not Found |
| 21:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you only got 2 eyes! |
| 21:42.18 | abrotman | not for me |
| 21:42.29 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.29 | zzattack | hi I'm having some trouble with my routes, when I reboot my box which functions as a gateway I sometimes lose internet connectivity, after bringing down my wan card and bringing it back up I usually get internet connectivity back |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | _2: http://linmodems.org/ .. check there, maybe it moved |
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| 21:43.23 | abrotman | _2: or see if 16550 isin your boot logs .. that's the controller for modems IIRC |
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| 21:43.32 | abrotman | 16650 ? 16550? .. latter i think |
| 21:43.49 | abrotman | _2: see the scanModem tool ? |
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| 21:45.44 | _2 | bah blasted scanmodem script checks $USER rather than $EUID i'll have to fix it first |
| 21:45.46 | subsume | I know its a basic question but how should I handle "error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH" while trying to configure packages? |
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| 21:46.31 | abrotman | subsume: aptitude install build-essential |
| 21:46.38 | subsume | thanks. |
| 21:46.41 | abrotman | _2: os you could just ignore it |
| 21:46.43 | abrotman | or |
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| 21:47.13 | _2 | [ 0.851342] Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing |
| 21:47.13 | _2 | enabled |
| 21:47.37 | _2 | abrotman can't ignore it and use the script, it exits with a you aint root message |
| 21:47.49 | abrotman | so run it as root .. what could possibly go wrong |
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| 21:48.10 | _2 | nothing, if it doesn't need superuser privs to anything |
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| 21:50.46 | _2 | sudo scanModem looks like it's doing nothing... didn't figure it would work as non-superuser |
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| 21:51.20 | kek | Do I need to move /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template to /etc/exim4/exim4.conf after running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 21:51.25 | zzattack | how can I tell the kernel te remove all routes? |
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| 21:53.56 | subsume | When running into a "Failed to find the necessary bits to build these modules:" while configuring Py2.6, someone suggested doing apt-get install builddep python2.5. Is this wise? |
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| 21:57.13 | lolufail | hi I use ubuntu but have a linux related question :D |
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| 21:57.51 | abrotman | lolufail: ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 21:58.19 | lolufail | aw I was hoping for major flame |
| 21:58.30 | lolufail | nevermind I dont use ubunt |
| 21:58.41 | Guerin | !irritate lolufail |
| 21:58.41 | dpkg | lolufail: hi every1 who uses sound plz msg me, jimpy |
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| 21:59.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 21:59.56 | lolufail | !irritate lolufail |
| 21:59.56 | dpkg | lolufail: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde lol |
| 22:00.02 | lolufail | :D |
| 22:00.12 | abrotman | lolufail: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:00.20 | lolufail | nope Im just hanging out |
| 22:00.27 | _2 | well scanModem failed to detect a modem |
| 22:00.33 | lolufail | I do have debian though |
| 22:01.10 | _2 | well i'm on ubuntu so there |
| 22:01.25 | _2 | ducks as abrotman explodes |
| 22:01.26 | abrotman | _2: on the system with the modem problem? |
| 22:01.32 | _2 | no. :) |
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| 22:01.45 | _2 | but i knew you would go there :))) |
| 22:01.52 | lolufail | :D |
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| 22:02.25 | lolufail | I srsly dont get the debian people's problem with ubuntu people ;) it's the same distro ;) |
| 22:02.36 | click170 | No, its very much not |
| 22:02.48 | click170 | Theres this thing, we call it stability. |
| 22:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dont roll your feet |
| 22:03.01 | abrotman | lolufail: it's seriously offtopic here |
| 22:03.13 | subsume | How might I find out what package contains module 'foo' using apt? |
| 22:03.16 | _2 | i was using all ubuntu dapper but the lappy is new enough that it had very little support there so, seeing that i dislike the dirrection ubuntu is moving, debian lenny was the os of choice for it. |
| 22:03.34 | maddler | subsume: try using apt-file |
| 22:03.47 | maddler | subsume: apt-get it before ;) |
| 22:03.54 | subsume | =) figured that one out myself. |
| 22:04.01 | maddler | subsume: :) |
| 22:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also apt-file update before you use it |
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| 22:04.44 | zzattack | hey all, im having some routing problems: sometimes internet doesnt work on my box and also not for any clients connected to it. If i bring down eth0 and bring it up again the problem usually resolves |
| 22:04.54 | zzattack | I'm thinkign something is wrong with my routes |
| 22:05.06 | zzattack | and that I could fix it using static routes |
| 22:05.10 | GuySoft | hey all , is there a way to set up the SETFONT viable in debian? as my computer boots the shell fonts pop up really small |
| 22:05.38 | _2 | zzattack when does the problem occur ? |
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| 22:06.20 | _2 | GuySoft set the frame buffer size |
| 22:06.32 | lolufail | OT: tell me, if debian is so super stable, how a Sarge user can utilize php5 without having to use backports from dubious sources? isn't that a pretty high factor of instability? |
| 22:06.35 | zzattack | _2: usually after rebooting |
| 22:06.43 | _2 | i.e. stop using 16000X12000 pizels at boot time |
| 22:06.52 | zzattack | _2: I also had a lot of problems caused by openvpn but thats no longer the issue |
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| 22:07.23 | haji | uhmm can you help me? I want to install debian but I don't know which ISO I need to download here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:07.30 | zzattack | as I removed that and will try to set it up again when the normal network becomes stable |
| 22:07.44 | zzattack | haji, taking the first one is fine |
| 22:07.49 | abrotman | lolufail: sarge is no longer supported |
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| 22:08.03 | zzattack | haji, you can take and burn more packages if you want but you can also download them later on |
| 22:08.05 | lolufail | you get my point ;) |
| 22:08.18 | abrotman | lolufail: that you're a troll? yes |
| 22:08.25 | lolufail | :D |
| 22:08.29 | _2 | zzattack ummm you could add a symlink to the startup scripts running a networking force-reload should do it. |
| 22:08.43 | \amethyst | lolufail: stability means it doesn't change. If you want up-to-date packages, you must give up some of that stability by upgrading releases. |
| 22:08.46 | zzattack | alright, i'll try that |
| 22:09.11 | zzattack | _2: im also interested in why, do you know what happens with networking force-reload? |
| 22:09.21 | stew | lolufail: a sarge user cannot utilize php5 without having to use backports from dubious sources. and no that isn't a high factor of instablility, since the wise sarge user would have long ago upgraded to etch |
| 22:09.27 | haji | zzattack: by the first one you mean the number 1, debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso ?? |
| 22:09.35 | zzattack | haji, yes |
| 22:09.57 | _2 | zzattack ifdown -a --exclude=lo || true |
| 22:09.58 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.59 | zzattack | unless you have a 64bit system that's probably the one you want |
| 22:10.17 | haji | ooh thanks, zzattack |
| 22:10.30 | _2 | that's what force-reload does. |
| 22:10.38 | zzattack | ah cool |
| 22:10.45 | zzattack | you took that from the init.d script then? |
| 22:10.50 | _2 | yep |
| 22:11.25 | zzattack | Okay but it doesn't really seem like an answer to the problem to me though |
| 22:11.30 | GuySoft | _2, where can i set it? |
| 22:11.38 | _2 | that's what i suggested you run with the force-reload switch and thats why. but someone else here may have a beter fix |
| 22:11.38 | GuySoft | _2, permnatly.. |
| 22:11.53 | GuySoft | permanently |
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| 22:12.00 | zzattack | _2: Yeah reloading indeed seems to fix it for me but appearently something goes wrong in the first place |
| 22:12.11 | zzattack | I'm interested in finding out what exactly goes wrong in the first place |
| 22:12.50 | zzattack | _2: do you think iptables can have anything to do with it? |
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| 22:13.04 | zzattack | Perhaps the routes arent configured yet when I enabled ip masquerading? |
| 22:13.05 | _2 | GuySoft rebuilding the initramfs with a new usplash image and setting the cmdline in your boot loader are both affective |
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| 22:13.22 | GuySoft | _2, it switches in the middle.. |
| 22:13.31 | _2 | zzattack or perhaps ipmasq is hosing things yes. |
| 22:13.56 | _2 | GuySoft ok. |
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| 22:14.04 | zzattack | _2: would you know of a way to find out? |
| 22:14.17 | GuySoft | _2, i know that /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh does it |
| 22:14.20 | zzattack | I mean obviously leaving out ipmasq will not work to test :) |
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| 22:14.33 | ivan_ | hi all |
| 22:14.49 | _2 | zzattack run them by hand. sudo /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart see if it hoses things. |
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| 22:14.56 | zzattack | alright |
| 22:15.02 | zzattack | ill first mess it up by rebooting then ;) |
| 22:15.18 | zzattack | thanks for now |
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| 22:17.46 | knighthawk | I don't know debian all that well but I've been a Linux user for about 12 years. |
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| 22:18.59 | knighthawk | I have a debian server I just inherited cron doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 22:19.17 | knighthawk | no log in /etc/log |
| 22:19.17 | stew | knighthawk: what makes you say that? |
| 22:19.45 | knighthawk | stew, and the actual command doesn't seem to running daily. like it was set. |
| 22:19.48 | zzattack | _2: first after booting the internet connectivity appears to work just fine, only after about a minute or so it goes down |
| 22:19.58 | stew | knighthawk: cron would log to syslog, check /var/log/syslog |
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| 22:20.20 | knighthawk | stew, thanks |
| 22:20.23 | stew | knighthawk: what does "pgrep cron" return? |
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| 22:21.35 | knighthawk | 281 |
| 22:22.04 | stew | knighthawk: so it sounds like cron is running and its pid is 281 |
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| 22:22.38 | knighthawk | okay now that I'm looking at syslog it looks like several crons are running but not mine. |
| 22:22.50 | chrisn2323 | I get an buffer i/o error after it says kernel booting on install, please help? |
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| 22:22.59 | stew | knighthawk: where / how did you configure your cronjob? |
| 22:23.05 | knighthawk | stew, crontab -e as root |
| 22:23.23 | stew | knighthawk: and what was the entry? |
| 22:23.36 | knighthawk | 0 2 * * * '/usr/bin/php4 /home/ddcaz/importer/eligibility.php' |
| 22:23.49 | knighthawk | ran the command from command line and it works fine. |
| 22:24.05 | stew | knighthawk: take out the single quotes |
| 22:24.12 | knighthawk | I suppose its possible I screwed up the command. I've gotten used to using /etc/cron.daily |
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| 22:24.43 | knighthawk | stew, okay thanks. |
| 22:25.24 | stew | knighthawk: the way you have it now, it would look to run file named eligibility.php in the "/usr/bin/php4 /home/ddcaz/importer" directory |
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| 22:25.48 | knighthawk | stew, everyday at 2:00am correct? That was my intent. |
| 22:25.55 | stew | knighthawk: yes |
| 22:26.10 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> I get an buffer i/o error after it says kernel booting on install, please help? |
| 22:26.37 | knighthawk | stew, ah no - what its supposed to do is run php - located @ /usr/bin/php4 |
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| 22:26.45 | stew | knighthawk: so remove the quotes |
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| 22:27.08 | knighthawk | sending the file eligibility.php to it. |
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| 22:27.45 | Epilog | hi there |
| 22:27.55 | Epilog | how can I make a automated install package? |
| 22:28.02 | Firefishe | Can someone tell me what...probably...my current sources.list file indicates about my current gnu/linux installation, please? I'm running etch 4.0r?. I've currently done an apt-get update, upgrade, and am doing a dist-upgrade as I type this. My goal is to update to the most current lenny. Here is my /etc/apt/sources.list file: http://rafb.net/p/9KQJyz69.html |
| 22:28.44 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> I get an buffer i/o error after it says kernel booting on install, please help? |
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| 22:30.19 | \amethyst | Firefishe: line 5 is for the current stable, which is etch |
| 22:30.42 | chrisn2323 | <chrisn2323> I get an buffer i/o error after it says kernel booting on install, please help? |
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| 22:31.23 | abrotman | chrisn2323: stop repeating .. |
| 22:31.33 | chrisn2323 | answer it then |
| 22:31.59 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 22:32.13 | abrotman | chrisn2323: you have to be patient .. or at least give useful details |
| 22:32.18 | Firefishe | hey abrotman |
| 22:32.20 | chrisn2323 | i did? |
| 22:32.20 | abrotman | i/o error is completely useless |
| 22:32.32 | \amethyst | Firefishe: change lines 5 and 6 to say "lenny" instead of "stable", and it should be fine; it might also be good to change line 4 to say 'lenny/updates' instead of 'testing/updates' (that way you won't have problems once lenny becomes stable) |
| 22:32.36 | chrisn2323 | its a buffer i/o error on sector 32226 |
| 22:33.17 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: is sector 32226 past the end of your disk? I imagine not |
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| 22:33.23 | chrisn2323 | no |
| 22:33.26 | Firefishe | \amethyst: thanks. It should go fine <crossing fins> after the dist-upgrade, all things being equal, correct? |
| 22:33.27 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: if not, it sounds like a hardware problem |
| 22:33.32 | chrisn2323 | it isn't |
| 22:33.38 | chrisn2323 | i just had arch linux |
| 22:33.47 | chrisn2323 | and i am running windows fine |
| 22:33.55 | chrisn2323 | mebe ill format again wit gparted |
| 22:33.57 | \amethyst | it might be an error on one specific sector |
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| 22:34.04 | kaduk | Hi |
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| 22:34.11 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: I'd run a surface scan just to be sure |
| 22:34.17 | kaduk | where I can download libdvdread that is compiled against libdvdcss ?? |
| 22:34.21 | kaduk | I cant play dvd |
| 22:34.22 | Bloodwalker | Im looking for a good package or software that runs on debian to collect netflow and snmp data from a router that will let me monitor traffic from each ip in my network... any suggestions? |
| 22:34.26 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: anything else in the error? |
| 22:34.29 | chrisn2323 | \amethyst, what could run that? |
| 22:34.35 | chrisn2323 | no not really |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | Bloodwalker: cacti? mrtg ? |
| 22:34.50 | xota | hi! anybody has tested docky over a debian lenny? |
| 22:34.52 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: badblocks can do it |
| 22:34.56 | Firefishe | kaduk: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 22:35.14 | chrisn2323 | \amethyst, i have windows... |
| 22:35.29 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: can scandisk handle non-DOS partitions? |
| 22:35.33 | Bloodwalker | abrotman Ive looked at those... not quite what I need.. they do bandwidth at a particular point in time but I need total traffic numbers |
| 22:35.34 | abrotman | wonders what windows has to do with it |
| 22:35.41 | rysiek|pl | guys, I have just installed debian lenny on a box, changed /etc/network/interfaces so that eth0 gets a static IP and did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:35.45 | rysiek|pl | ...and nothing happened |
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| 22:35.48 | abrotman | Bloodwalker: ifconfig ? :) |
| 22:35.57 | rysiek|pl | I got "Reconfiguring network interfaces... done" message |
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| 22:36.07 | abrotman | Bloodwalker: ntop, but doesn't use snmp |
| 22:36.21 | \amethyst | abrotman: I suggested doing a surface scan because the error sounds like it came from a real sector number and not past-the-end-of-the-disk |
| 22:36.25 | rysiek|pl | Bloodwalker: iftop maybe |
| 22:36.31 | abrotman | \amethyst: i realize what you meant ... |
| 22:36.32 | chrisn2323 | \amethyst, i am running checkdisk |
| 22:36.34 | doti | what i have to do to use irssi in a network with proxy |
| 22:36.37 | doti | ? |
| 22:36.42 | abrotman | doti: ask #irssi ? |
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| 22:36.53 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: make sure it will actually scan the whole disk and not just the Windows partition |
| 22:36.54 | Bloodwalker | abrotman: ya Ive seen ntop too... not quite everything I need... iftop? Ill have to go look |
| 22:36.59 | \amethyst | chrisn2323: I don't have Windows so I don't know |
| 22:37.09 | Firefishe | rysiek|pl: Then it's *probably* done. However, it sometimes helps to do a `dhclient <interface>', where <interface> is something like eth0 eth1, etc. |
| 22:37.20 | Firefishe | rysiek|pl: Assuming you're using dhcp. |
| 22:37.32 | flower | I use aptitude, can I use gdebi with aptitude? |
| 22:37.45 | rysiek|pl | Firefishe: you assume wrong. as I said, I just *changed* the interfaces file so that eth0 is static |
| 22:38.08 | Firefishe | rysiek|pl: Sorry, forgot about the *static* part. My bad *bonk* |
| 22:38.09 | Bloodwalker | rysiek|pl: iftop wouldnt work out either... the traffic I want to monitor is going through a dd-wrt router.. not on the debian server |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | Bloodwalker: apt-cache search network snmp .. |
| 22:38.13 | rysiek|pl | flower: I think gdebi uses dpkg directly, not through apt... |
| 22:38.31 | flower | rysiek|pl: ok |
| 22:38.46 | rysiek|pl | Bloodwalker: and?.. I have openwrt on a number of wrt54's and I have iftop |
| 22:39.18 | rysiek|pl | Bloodwalker: unless there is some other reason (aside from "not available on wrt") |
| 22:39.50 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo, what are you trying to achieve, Bloodwalker? (sorry, got on the channel just a minute ago) |
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| 22:40.21 | rysiek|pl | Firefishe: no prob ;) if you have any other idea why that might not work, do tell |
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| 22:40.34 | abrotman | oh .. baby changed numbers |
| 22:40.41 | stew | tomaw: ^^^ on-join turkspammer |
| 22:40.43 | Bloodwalker | rysiek|pl: I need to be able to track total traffic per ip.. incoming and outgoing |
| 22:40.51 | tomaw | stew: ta |
| 22:41.01 | rysiek|pl | /etc/init.d/networking stop does *not* de-configure the interfaces... wtf?! |
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| 22:41.42 | rysiek|pl | Bloodwalker: hmmm. ettercap, I'd say, in bridge-mode; or any othe pcap frontend |
| 22:41.45 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: I bet the interface isn't marked auto |
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| 22:41.51 | koeppea | Bloodwalker, Do you know rtg? |
| 22:41.58 | stoned | maybe they can have thier own ##spam where people can go check out the latest advertisings |
| 22:42.12 | kaduk | Firefishe, there is no libdvdread compiled against it |
| 22:42.19 | kaduk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.29 | Bloodwalker | koeppea: mrtg yes Ive used it before.. |
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| 22:42.39 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: it wasn't |
| 22:42.45 | rysiek|pl | smacks himself in the face |
| 22:42.51 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: but that didn't help |
| 22:43.05 | koeppea | Bloodwalker, rtg just stores the traffic data in a sql database. not in a rrd-database |
| 22:43.29 | Firefishe | kaduk: I believe that libdvdcss2 is the package in which you're interested; also, I believe that libdvdread and the former are separate packages. |
| 22:43.39 | \amethyst | rysiek|pl: hm, if the interface is auto, the init.d script with --stop should either take it down or give you a warning about newrok file systems |
| 22:43.40 | rysiek|pl | \amethyst: ok, second self-smack in the face. allow-hotplug |
| 22:43.48 | koeppea | Bloodwalker, if you don't find a apropriate tool, just script one. It is not such complicated |
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| 22:43.55 | kaduk | Firefishe, yes but libdvdread should be linked aginst libdvdcss |
| 22:44.04 | \amethyst | kaduk: read the package description |
| 22:44.06 | Firefishe | kadath: no clue then |
| 22:44.11 | Firefishe | kaduk rather |
| 22:44.28 | Bloodwalker | koeppea: trouble with an snmp tool like rtg is theres no source or destination data.. just raw traffic info |
| 22:44.33 | \amethyst | kaduk: libdvdread currently uses libdl to dynamically probe for libdvdcss at runtime. If found, libdvdcss will be used to decrypt sections of the DVD as necessary. |
| 22:44.55 | \amethyst | kaduk: so it isn't linked against libdvdcss, but loads it at runtime if it is present |
| 22:45.02 | Bloodwalker | koeppea: I could script one but Id rather not have something else to maintain myself :) |
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| 22:45.31 | koeppea | What do you mean with raw traffic? |
| 22:45.44 | koeppea | captureed traffic using tcpdump? |
| 22:45.51 | koeppea | of a kind of? |
| 22:46.10 | Bloodwalker | koeppea: snmp polling only have trafic in and out.. not where its going or where it came from |
| 22:46.11 | rysiek|pl | Bloodwater: ettercap or tcpdump logging, wireshark to view the logs, maybe? |
| 22:46.25 | rysiek|pl | Bloodwalker: with some ettercap filters, maybe? |
| 22:46.40 | maddler | Bloodwalker: tried NTop already? |
| 22:46.40 | koeppea | Bloodwalker, ah I forgot. |
| 22:46.54 | koeppea | Ok you need a netflow tool |
| 22:47.00 | abrotman | Bloodwalker: or maybe ask #networking |
| 22:47.07 | koeppea | cacti has some pluginas |
| 22:47.22 | maddler | Bloodwalker: if you only need a "snapshot" you could also consider using iftop |
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| 22:48.48 | Bloodwalker | Yes I looked at ntop... since my dd-wrt router can do snmp and netflow.. Id much prefer to use both to get a complete picture... was looking around the net and some of what I found is so out of date... thought Id come see here if there was one that stood out above the rest.. and obvious answer Id overlooked... |
| 22:48.53 | kaduk | \amethyst, libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.VOB (0x0006def0) |
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| 22:49.21 | \amethyst | kaduk: are you using the libdvdcss2 from debian-multimedia? |
| 22:49.33 | kaduk | \amethyst, yes |
| 22:49.36 | Bloodwalker | and the dinner bell rings... thanks for the input... afk |
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| 22:50.30 | \amethyst | kaduk: try increasing the verbosity maybe? |
| 22:50.33 | Messias-Freire | hello all, when a did a upgrade (etch to lenny) i cannot use locate command, and when i tried use updatedb: command not found whats happen ? |
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| 22:51.06 | enouf | kaduk: sometimes you must flush out - (or move) the contents or file ~/.dvdcss or whatever it's called |
| 22:51.45 | kaduk | enouf, does not help |
| 22:51.48 | \amethyst | Messias-Freire: it used to be part of package 'findutils' but got split off |
| 22:52.04 | \amethyst | Messias-Freire: the package 'locate' is what you're looking for |
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| 22:52.15 | maddler | Messias-Freire: tried apt-get install mlocate? |
| 22:52.17 | enouf | heh, that is the dir/ name |
| 22:52.19 | \amethyst | Messias-Freire: (there are also 'mlocate' and 'slocate' but those are different implementations) |
| 22:52.29 | maddler | seems like you are missing it |
| 22:52.42 | enouf | kaduk: then possibly it's using sony ARcooS |
| 22:52.54 | enouf | or soem other content protection mechanism |
| 22:53.10 | \amethyst | kaduk: are you testing with mplayer? |
| 22:53.20 | kaduk | enouf, http://213.21.76.105/~mateusz/test.txt |
| 22:53.26 | enouf | see if #mplayer knows |
| 22:53.30 | kaduk | \amethyst, no with vlc |
| 22:53.38 | enouf | then #videolan |
| 22:53.39 | kaduk | but mplayer have the same problem |
| 22:54.05 | enouf | it's a copy that was never remade properly? |
| 22:54.09 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Here is my new sources.list, with the old non-functionals removed: http://rafb.net/p/rSU4OC78.html Does it seem okay? |
| 22:54.09 | \amethyst | kaduk: try -v 2 |
| 22:54.15 | \amethyst | kaduk: that might give more information |
| 22:54.16 | enouf | er +or it's a ... |
| 22:54.53 | \amethyst | Firefishe: sounds good |
| 22:55.01 | enouf | kaduk: is the ffmpeg you have from dmm? or from sid? |
| 22:55.12 | kaduk | dunno |
| 22:55.15 | enouf | er crap .. nm |
| 22:55.25 | Messias-Freire | \amethyst, maddler ok my friends thank you |
| 22:55.28 | Firefishe | \amethyst: thanks. I appreciate the critique. |
| 22:55.48 | Ace2016_- | Is anyone having trouble with google mail through imap? i cannot connect with icedove |
| 22:55.48 | \amethyst | kaduk: it's using libdvdcss2: line 8 |
| 22:55.55 | kaduk | enouf, from dmm |
| 22:55.58 | enouf | that's a pretty friggin specific error - did you compile vlc? if not, from where did you get it? if so, you might've goofed |
| 22:56.12 | \amethyst | kaduk: if you turn up the verbosity, you might get some error messages from libdvdcss2 itself that indicate the problem |
| 22:57.01 | Firefishe | \amethyst: with the new sources list, I'm assuming I do: apt-get update, then upgrade, then dist-upgrade, for the new lenny I desire? |
| 22:57.33 | enouf | !lenny release notes |
| 22:57.33 | dpkg | Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ (latest draft; updated daily). See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687). |
| 22:57.45 | Ace2016_- | icedove has not output any errors to the command line |
| 22:57.49 | \amethyst | Firefishe: no need to do upgrade before dist-upgrade |
| 22:58.01 | kaduk | \amethyst, for gmplayer or vlc ? |
| 22:58.05 | \amethyst | Firefishe: but check the release notes, in case some package you are using has special requirements |
| 22:58.08 | Firefishe | \amethyst: thanks again. |
| 22:58.12 | Firefishe | :) |
| 22:58.14 | \amethyst | kaduk: -v 2 for vlc, -v -v -v for mplayer |
| 22:58.16 | enouf | \amethyst: in general, it's always a good idea - for various reasons |
| 22:58.19 | stew | Firefishe: it is recommended that you upgrade before dist-upgrade, yes, but you should be using aptitude not apt-get |
| 22:58.26 | \amethyst | oh |
| 22:58.29 | \amethyst | ignore me then :) |
| 22:58.58 | stew | and the release notes would have you upgrading dpkg and apt and aptitude before doing the upgrade even, iirc |
| 22:59.11 | \amethyst | stew: ahh, I see |
| 22:59.15 | kaduk | \amethyst, Invalid NAVI packet! lba=0x103B navi=0x103A |
| 22:59.22 | kaduk | \amethyst, this is all gmplayer says |
| 22:59.40 | enouf | kaduk: sounds like the "bad sectors" trickery |
| 22:59.55 | kaduk | enouf, yes... its the same in kern.log but dvd works under Windows |
| 23:00.15 | enouf | although i recall reading a LOT of different things when compiling mplayer about integrated libdvdread VS non-integrated |
| 23:00.29 | kaduk | enouf, I mean in kern.log I get |
| 23:00.29 | kaduk | hda: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 23:00.29 | kaduk | hda: command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 } |
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| 23:00.51 | kaduk | but DVD is fine |
| 23:01.06 | enouf | kaduk: ahh .. the boys in ##windows will say "Vista doesn't impose any DRM .. blah bah blah " .. haha |
| 23:01.21 | kaduk | enouf, DRM ? |
| 23:01.42 | enouf | kaduk: the drive is fine? |
| 23:02.00 | \amethyst | kaduk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARccOS |
| 23:02.11 | kaduk | enouf, yes some movies work, but also my friend with diffrent kernel and ubuntu can run it under windows while he cant under Ubuntu |
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| 23:02.34 | enouf | typo, my bad - actually, i can't recall the exact acronym for ARccOS |
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| 23:02.49 | enouf | so i always get one letter wrong atleast |
| 23:02.53 | \amethyst | kaduk: do you get that error with every DVD you try? |
| 23:03.00 | kaduk | \amethyst, no |
| 23:03.13 | kaduk | \amethyst, another one works fine |
| 23:03.13 | kaduk | \amethyst, actualy I got two working fine |
| 23:03.24 | \amethyst | kaduk: what is the DVD that doesn't work? |
| 23:03.30 | \amethyst | if it's not too embarrassing :) |
| 23:03.43 | kaduk | \amethyst, its also original DL Amadeuz |
| 23:03.47 | enouf | kaduk: google site:club.cdfreaks.com moviename |
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| 23:04.36 | enouf | tools such as CloneDVD any AnyDVD can crack almost anything in windowsworlds - but it's $$ |
| 23:05.06 | kaduk | enouf, they say that they cannot copy some files |
| 23:05.10 | kaduk | looks like its protected |
| 23:05.15 | enouf | they? |
| 23:05.23 | kaduk | enouf, ppl on forum |
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| 23:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, hdparm -E .... ? |
| 23:05.57 | kaduk | enouf, MPlayer/MEncoder (for Linux) are usually able to overcome ARccOS. |
| 23:05.59 | GuySoft | hey um, i deleted by misstake my /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh . is there a way to restore the default one? |
| 23:06.01 | enouf | keep looking, sometimes they mention the CSS mechanism / Content Protection scheme |
| 23:06.08 | Firefishe | hey CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 23:06.18 | enouf | kaduk: not that i hear, but ... |
| 23:06.26 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, -E: bad/missing CDROM/DVD-speed value (0..255) |
| 23:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hi Firefishe... sausage inna bun? |
| 23:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, yes... my 3 dots where the blank where you fill in the cd speed value |
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| 23:06.57 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: are you testing the drive? use sdparm -a |
| 23:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, was trying to suggest you reduce speed |
| 23:07.06 | enouf | oh |
| 23:07.08 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, how? |
| 23:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, moi? I'm not doing nuffin! |
| 23:07.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaduk, hdparm -E .... ? |
| 23:07.26 | \amethyst | GuySoft: you can copy one from a working system with the same debian version; or you can reinstall the package, passing --force-confmiss to dpkg |
| 23:07.48 | enouf | GuySoft: it likely doesn't matter, use rc.local or reinstall the pkg it came from |
| 23:07.49 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I prefer a lamb with a rack ;) |
| 23:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, see, sometimes it takes a while until people arrive where I started out :) |
| 23:07.55 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 23:07.55 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 23:08.13 | GuySoft | \amethyst, thanks, --force-confmiss is what i was looking for |
| 23:08.14 | Lifeform | Hi... Anyone know the command for dumping all the DBs at a server? |
| 23:08.28 | kaduk | CutMeOwnThroat, reducing speed does not help |
| 23:08.34 | Lifeform | How do I modify this? ==> mysqldump âhlocalhost âuâusernameâ âp âA > database.sql |
| 23:08.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what valued did you choose? 1? |
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| 23:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | 0? |
| 23:08.46 | enouf | kaduk: the reason those pay-for apps can is, they have active devels that are paid to overcome those things |
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| 23:09.14 | kaduk | enouf, I dont understand |
| 23:09.20 | enouf | kaduk: suggest you try those two channels and their -devel equivs |
| 23:09.26 | kaduk | enouf, does it mean that its not possible to play it? |
| 23:09.30 | enouf | kaduk: clone/anydvd |
| 23:09.32 | kaduk | enouf, hm.. ok |
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| 23:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, mabbe... generally, it seems the laser is just not adjusted properly on cdrom/dvd drives that stop being able to read all media... there's a couple of little screws inside with which you can calibrate... |
| 23:09.55 | enouf | possible - or .. your drive firmware is ...well, i don't think you;d get that CSS error |
| 23:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's not so easy, because your average joe smith doesn't have the equipment to control improvements during calibration |
| 23:10.31 | enouf | Region Coding issues might spew wrong errors, if that system is used to thwart playback/copy |
| 23:10.45 | Epilog | nite all |
| 23:10.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, i know, have you ever messed with them? :-) |
| 23:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, enough |
| 23:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (is it bad-pun time again?) |
| 23:11.16 | \amethyst | I read that as "enough, enough" |
| 23:11.17 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: usually though, it's a blackmarket-made drive that just scuks ass |
| 23:11.20 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 23:11.40 | Guerin | so why the fuck did kde disable alt-tab window switching? |
| 23:11.47 | Guerin | goddamn their retardedness |
| 23:12.00 | enouf | heh |
| 23:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | only once, actually... and it wasn't so great, because the only way to test if it works if you don't have the equipment is to reassemble and try to read a couple of media |
| 23:12.09 | enouf | try kcontrol! |
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| 23:12.12 | enouf | hides |
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| 23:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ka-de-what? |
| 23:12.43 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i've done so, but not to recalibrate the laser lens |
| 23:12.53 | enouf | er s/lens/eye, whatever |
| 23:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, what else? |
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| 23:13.22 | enouf | it stops working? enouf performs operations :-P |
| 23:13.51 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: the draw got stuck in reverse mode, it would open on shutdown and close and lock on boot ;-P |
| 23:13.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh... you might enjoy that - my player chose that moment to play "disturbed - enough" |
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| 23:14.12 | tuv | did anyone ever manage to get 'remote usb' (usb over rdp) working in virtualbox? (debian host, debian remote rdp client, winxp guest) |
| 23:14.23 | enouf | i used to then flip it over and smack it's bottom fairly hard to trigger the Inserted Media modew |
| 23:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | that surely helped precision |
| 23:14.52 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: yep - play my movie! :-) |
| 23:15.11 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: 1999 toshiba dvd-rom drive ;-) |
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| 23:15.42 | Guerin | well, that's my once-annual-try-one-of-the-main-DEs-whether-I-need-to-or-not-and-find-it's-still-totally-fucking-unusable |
| 23:15.52 | Guerin | better luck next year, kde |
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| 23:16.16 | enouf | Guerin: can we get your Bloated-Seal-of-Disapproval? |
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| 23:17.13 | enouf | you mean you didn't try the 18,750 other options in kcontrol? |
| 23:17.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, you've got no steep learning curve in that regard, then :) |
| 23:17.13 | Guerin | enouf: non-exclusive permission granted to reproduce verbatim |
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| 23:17.14 | doti | i have a problem with my network. I can't view web pages on my server from outside my network but i can using localhost. Also ping dosn't resolve, and i can't connect via ssh |
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| 23:17.38 | Guerin | enouf: i gave it five minutes. If I (unquestionably an advanced user) can't figure it out in that time, it's not worth bothering with. |
| 23:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 23:17.54 | enouf | My sentiments .. entirely |
| 23:18.01 | Guerin | for what it's woth alt-f11 worked, but that's no fucking use to me |
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| 23:18.20 | enouf | right - many many things work, just not the ones I need |
| 23:18.30 | enouf | or any sane user |
| 23:18.36 | themill | Guerin: alt-tab should work by default. Does here. |
| 23:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, ping from where to where... ssh from wher to where... you're ambiguous |
| 23:18.51 | Guerin | themill: i know it should. But it doesn't. |
| 23:19.09 | darkskiez | ive got a problem with packets mysteriously getting dropped on their way into an interface, ive added -j LOG to the INPUT and PREROUTING routes as the first rule but its not even hitting the first rule. |
| 23:19.10 | Guerin | (it does on other environments, such as my beloved evilwm) |
| 23:19.13 | \amethyst | Guerin: did you possibly have an old .kde left over from long ago? |
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| 23:19.31 | Guerin | \amethyst: nope. it ran the setup scripty thing on login. |
| 23:19.34 | themill | Guerin: that's the default key binding in KDE. You presumably have old .kde cruft or something else that is capturing that keystroke running. |
| 23:19.35 | \amethyst | hm |
| 23:19.38 | rysiek|pl | thanks for your help, \amethyst |
| 23:19.41 | rysiek|pl | gtg, cu all |
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| 23:19.50 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: ping from my server to my server using my public ip |
| 23:19.56 | enouf | the only other thing is - perhaps there's more/enabled Accessibity functionality now incorporated, so that combo was mapped elsehow |
| 23:19.57 | enouf | ? |
| 23:20.08 | Guerin | the combo appeared to do nothing |
| 23:20.27 | enouf | i mean as default? well .. maybe you need a TTS system for it ;-) |
| 23:20.29 | themill | Guerin: Ahh... I don't know whether the options you select at setup change the default key bindings. |
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| 23:20.42 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: and ping from the server of my university to my home server |
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| 23:21.03 | Guerin | themill: i chose `unix'. But they're (in principle) all changeable after the fact, and I couldn't find it. |
| 23:21.20 | Guerin | anyway, I'm done with it now |
| 23:21.26 | enouf | there's even things i see in kde 3.5.x (konq?) that mention something about talking to me |
| 23:21.31 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | how do I get the 2.6.27 kernel for my unstable? |
| 23:21.41 | Guerin | i have work to do, and it was impeding me, not assisting me |
| 23:21.50 | themill | Guerin: KControl Centre. Starting typing "key". Keyboard Shortcuts is there. (It's under Regional settings in the tree.) |
| 23:22.43 | Guerin | in other news, kpdf is still the best pdf viewer, though |
| 23:23.14 | themill | Guerin: agreed |
| 23:23.14 | themill | Guerin: As the startup wizard said, "unix" gives "keyboard scheme: unix" which presumably means some CDE or TWM behaviour that doesn't use alt+tab. |
| 23:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, let me rephrase that... outside->http doesn't work, but localhost->http does ping localhost does work, but ping to same machine using the IP does not, ... and then you start suddenly speaking of two servers and we have no idea which is which |
| 23:23.16 | mavhc | google's new pdf web thing is best |
| 23:23.25 | Guerin | mavhc: except that it's googleware |
| 23:23.38 | themill | and it eats even moderately complicated pdfs |
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| 23:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | also.. outside IP - is it a nat or is the outside IP the IP of the external device... like eth0 |
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| 23:24.17 | derjens | hello everyone |
| 23:24.32 | derjens | i need help with some old hardware |
| 23:24.47 | derjens | i have a pentium iii pc running as home server for php development |
| 23:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, and what does doesn't resolve mean - are you pinging an IP or a name... only names resolve |
| 23:25.05 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: more simple, any connection to my server from inside or outside my home network using my public ip dosn't work. |
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| 23:25.14 | derjens | for last ~2 months the box has been freezing from time to time |
| 23:25.29 | derjens | i have now set it up in my room... it has just frozen again |
| 23:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so is it behind a NAT? |
| 23:26.06 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 23:26.13 | derjens | no network access (even no pings), no keyboard access, no num lock LEDs... but the cursor from console is blinking -- so no full freeze?? |
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| 23:26.17 | enouf | derjens: can the magic alt-susrq break out of it? |
| 23:26.20 | derjens | can somebody help? |
| 23:26.23 | enouf | er sysrq |
| 23:26.56 | derjens | enouf, what key is meant by sysrq? is it delete or backspace? |
| 23:26.56 | symbolics | derjens, anything show up in /var/log/messages before the lockup? |
| 23:26.57 | enouf | derjens: power surge? how's the PSU on that old thang? |
| 23:27.02 | enouf | !sysrq |
| 23:27.02 | dpkg | [sysrq] Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt |
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| 23:27.15 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, yes. I'm using a router |
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| 23:27.29 | enouf | derjens: when this happens you usually cold reboot? hard reset? if so, have you even run fsck? |
| 23:27.40 | derjens | symbolics, after rebooting (without shutdown of course) there were no important log entries in /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:27.59 | doti | CutMeOwnThroat: my public ip is 93.156.144.218 and my local ip 192.168.... |
| 23:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | doti, so you have an 192.168.1.xxx style IP for the ethernet device |
| 23:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about pinging that one? |
| 23:28.14 | \amethyst | doti: I can connect to that on port 80 |
| 23:28.27 | shelby_ | hey guys im running a server w apache and can someone please tell me how do i change the max upload file size and the memory limit? im installing some web things and it says i need a bigger max file upload size and higher memory usage limit. so how do i change those? |
| 23:28.36 | \amethyst | doti: I get <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html> |
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| 23:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, indeed - and this it works looks familiar |
| 23:28.40 | symbolics | derjens, does anything in particular trigger the freeze like starting an opengl program for example |
| 23:28.58 | derjens | enouf, well, i thought fsck would be executed by default if fs was unmounted unsafely |
| 23:29.00 | doti | \amethyst: wth, i can't connect |
| 23:29.33 | enouf | derjens: check logs, you'd notice it doing it's thing in boot messages |
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| 23:29.46 | \amethyst | doti: from inside, that might make sense. your router would need to be configured to send "outgoing" packets back in once it realizes they're for its own IP |
| 23:29.48 | enouf | derjens: /var/log/fsck/checkroot, etc |
| 23:29.52 | derjens | symbolics, i don't know any trigger. the box works as small server. there is no X. everything running is: tor-server with traffic, lighttpd, mysql |
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| 23:30.00 | \amethyst | doti: I can't connect to port 22, so that one is probably not being forwarded by the router |
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| 23:30.08 | shelby_ | is it something to do with /var/www/.httaccess or somnething? |
| 23:30.23 | doti | \amethyst: 23 is forwarded |
| 23:30.28 | \amethyst | doti: 23 isn't ssh |
| 23:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the nick "supersoundguy' ring a bell? |
| 23:30.39 | doti | \amethyst: ups |
| 23:30.42 | derjens | enouf, so i will reboot in a few mins and then have a look at fsck log |
| 23:30.43 | enouf | derjens: and if /etc/fstab has a 0 in the last field on the / FS line, it's possible it was never run. |
| 23:30.57 | \amethyst | doti: 23 is telnet and you're probably not running a telnet server :) |
| 23:31.04 | enouf | derjens: ext3 FS for / ? |
| 23:31.11 | shelby_ | :( |
| 23:31.15 | doti | \amethyst: solved, now 22 is forwarded |
| 23:31.22 | enouf | derjens: tune2fs -l /dev/nameX <-- pastebin |
| 23:31.28 | \amethyst | doti: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-4 |
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| 23:31.45 | derjens | enouf, please ask for that again when i have rebooted |
| 23:32.00 | derjens | enouf, atm i am looking for the right sysrq key |
| 23:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Is this "It works!" the debian default for index.html? |
| 23:32.03 | \amethyst | doti: so the problem is just that you can't access the external IP from inside the network |
| 23:32.04 | derjens | which one to try? |
| 23:32.11 | enouf | derjens: then, you can reboot using "touch /forcefsck" and reboot normallly, after you ensure last field has 1 for / FS in /etc/fstab, man fstab |
| 23:32.16 | \amethyst | doti: your router might have some way of supporting that; I don't know |
| 23:32.36 | doti | \amethyst: yes, now thats the problem |
| 23:32.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could also just add a local route for that Ip... but I don't see why you'd want to bother |
| 23:32.56 | doti | \amethyst: ten minutes ago i couldn't connect from outside |
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| 23:33.06 | symbolics | derjens, if you have sysstat installed you should be able to check if there is unusually high system load right before the freeze |
| 23:33.31 | symbolics | derjens, also, have you ruled out cooling/power issues |
| 23:33.33 | derjens | symbolics, thanks for that hint! i had been looking for such logging software anyway |
| 23:34.07 | enouf | derjens: basically, you use the keys in this order R E I S U B (each one with alt-sysrq, then keypress) - you can even just use S U B, and/or you can echo values to /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 23:34.26 | derjens | symbolics, yes, i did. there is not much load on the system. i have included logging the HDD temps in syslog and CPU fan runs just fine... |
| 23:35.04 | enouf | derjens: the ideal way is to ssh in from another box, and log /watch like that - or setup a serial terminal |
| 23:35.13 | symbolics | enouf, if derjens' num lock/caps key lights dont respond i doubt the kernel will respond to sysreq hotkeys |
| 23:35.24 | derjens | enouf, i cannot echo any values to wherever because i have no ability to type in commands or login via ssh |
| 23:35.24 | doti | \amethyst: i never had that problem before using the same router |
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| 23:35.51 | derjens | enouf, network is dead. router reports "no route to host" |
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| 23:36.49 | derjens | i have just moved with my laptop to the front of my computer with the freeze prob |
| 23:37.54 | derjens | enouf, i do now take my keyboard and press AltGr+R, right? |
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| 23:40.50 | derjens | enouf, still there? |
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| 23:41.59 | darkskiez | is there anything like rp_filter which would cause my kernel to eat packets without trace |
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| 23:42.38 | enouf | phonecall |
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| 23:43.44 | derjens | enouf, k. i didn't want to push but was wondering if you were still there as you had been very fast at responding before |
| 23:43.49 | elik_ | So I just bought a new hard drive, SATA 3gb, and I installed it... I'm transferring stuff from old hard drive (also sata 3gb to new one). I'm experiencing rather slow transfer rates... btrace reports 35M/s reading on my sda and 27M/s writing. A transfer of 5G took 5 minutes and 16s (real time with time) for an average of 18M/s.. is that.. "normal"? |
| 23:43.58 | enouf | i also suggest you leave it in TTY mode only, telinit 1 if you can reproduce it so easily |
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| 23:44.38 | enouf | then .. if it does occur more and more frequently, consider the PSU, or even RAM, run memtest86+ on it .. or just dustbunnies in general |
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| 23:45.21 | derjens | enouf, what does "telinit 1" do? i have left it on tty1 and set off screen blanking before. unfortunately there is no kernel msg printed out or something |
| 23:45.30 | timebomb | can i put custom packages in my preseed.cfg? |
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| 23:45.35 | enouf | derjens: i also mentioned many things so you have them as knowledge, not necessarily that all options would work now, nor be effective now |
| 23:45.55 | derjens | enouf, there is not much dust in the case and i have already ran memtest without errors (1.5 passes) |
| 23:45.59 | enouf | derjens: it will put you in runlevel 1 - man runlevel(s |
| 23:46.01 | timebomb | d-i pkgsel/include string does it take normal apt-get packages as param? |
| 23:46.08 | doti | \amethyst: i didn't see any option to do what you said |
| 23:46.47 | derjens | enouf, i see. if it is a HW only problem than it will occur in runlevel 1 as well |
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| 23:46.53 | derjens | i hope it is not:) |
| 23:46.55 | \amethyst | doti: I've seen the problem before, but I don't know about fixing it |
| 23:47.04 | junix | i just got done rebuilding my debian system, i had two hard drives in there both were able to be read, but 1 of them has problems, its not coming up in gnome at the moment, is there a way to force read the superblock? |
| 23:47.06 | \amethyst | doti: sorry I'm not of more help :( |
| 23:47.11 | enouf | derjens: sometimes reseating the DIMMs and PCI Cards helps too - but .. note, you can alos boot into 'single' mode |
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| 23:47.23 | doti | \amethyst: i didn't see any option to do what you said |
| 23:47.29 | nemesis | hello, with what program can i cut .vdr recordings? |
| 23:47.32 | timebomb | mh \amethyst you wouldn't happen to be familiar with preseeding? |
| 23:47.34 | enouf | derjens: that's what i'm trying to ascertain - a hard/soft issue |
| 23:47.37 | derjens | enouf, is debian configured to allow serial terminal by default? i did not care about that before |
| 23:47.40 | doti | \amethyst: i think that i find it. Could be Filter NAT redirection? |
| 23:48.02 | enouf | derjens: we remove any nvidia/ati binary blobs out of the mix, especially in single mode |
| 23:48.06 | \amethyst | doti: is that turned on? |
| 23:48.10 | enouf | with no X running |
| 23:48.14 | enouf | i hope |
| 23:48.27 | doti | \amethyst: is a security option of my router |
| 23:48.28 | enouf | derjens: yes, however you must set it all up |
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| 23:48.34 | doti | \amethyst: yes |
| 23:48.41 | enouf | derjens: IOW, the kernel is all set |
| 23:48.45 | doti | \amethyst: always was turned on |
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| 23:49.02 | enouf | derjens: oh teah, /msg dpkg bootlogd |
| 23:49.06 | enouf | s/teah/yeah |
| 23:49.10 | derjens | enouf, well, first i will try to interact with the kernel running ATM. i think the only way that is possible are sysrq keys |
| 23:49.27 | enouf | derjens: if those work when it occurs, it's not a kernel panic atleast |
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| 23:49.47 | \amethyst | doti: hm |
| 23:49.53 | \amethyst | doti: yeah, you want to turn it off |
| 23:50.01 | derjens | enouf, dont you think kernel would write kernel panic to the display or at least stop blinking the console cursor?? |
| 23:50.10 | doti | \amethyst: ok, thanks a lot for your help |
| 23:50.10 | \amethyst | doti: http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/article.asp?p=598649&seqNum=5 says "block access to local resources from other local computers that are attempting to access the local resource via the external (NAT) address" |
| 23:50.23 | enouf | derjens: i've had my ps/2 ports flake out on my older pII and such machines, modprobing (removing/adding things) in order from console helps sometimes, i doubt that's your issue though |
| 23:50.25 | \amethyst | doti: which is exactly what you're trying to do :) |
| 23:50.28 | derjens | enouf, so which sysrq keys to try? i never used them before |
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| 23:50.55 | enouf | derjens: prior to while i was on the phone, i listed them all - plus dpkg told the channel |
| 23:51.07 | doti | \amethyst: it's to late for me to know what i'm doing xD Going to bed ;) |
| 23:51.11 | enouf | !+tell derjens -about sysrq |
| 23:51.11 | dpkg | told derjens about sysrq. |
| 23:51.16 | derjens | enouf, the system had been running fine before, even for 80+ days... |
| 23:51.57 | enouf | derjens: that's not once in a while - originally you said the paste couple of months, it happened a few times - i thought - things get old,wear out, suffer from heat, etc |
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| 23:52.43 | derjens | enouf, i hope i can fix the prob. maybe by changing dimm slots or something... don't want to pay for a new system, you know |
| 23:52.45 | enouf | derjens: blinking cursor as in way way top left only on a black screen? |
| 23:53.12 | derjens | enouf, no, the ordinary console with boot msgs and login prompt |
| 23:53.25 | enouf | derjens: that seems like it's a PSU / power issue to me - or, a video driver, since your Display just goes out ... oH.. |
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| 23:54.13 | derjens | enouf, maybe it's the PSU... i dont know much about what could happen if they fail |
| 23:54.18 | enouf | derjens: it's possible you get a power surge, and the system attempts to restart itself, you can disable that in the BIOS - also check your BIOS settings anyway |
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| 23:54.43 | enouf | derjens: things die, no power ;-) ask #hardware even |
| 23:55.05 | derjens | enouf, video driver: i doubt. it's an ati rage 128 with fine driver and as i said there is really nothing running on the box doing graphical stuff... if the driver locks up it should stop giving graphics output or something?? |
| 23:55.08 | enouf | derjens: check your Mobo for leaing bulging capacitors |
| 23:55.11 | enouf | !capacitors |
| 23:55.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, capacitors is no, it's not a tech support myth: the capacitors on many turn-of-the-millennium components (mostly motherboards) can leak and fail. If you're experiencing random hardware fuckups, check them for bulging. See http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=78 for the story and http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i303/30328_4mg.jpg for a photo, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague |
| 23:56.07 | enouf | so no ati nor nvidia blobs? |
| 23:56.07 | derjens | enouf, the thing about capacitors is a good hint. i will have a look at them |
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| 23:56.08 | themill | leaking bios batteries ftw! |
| 23:56.08 | derjens | enouf, exactly @blobs |
| 23:56.08 | nemesis | turn-of-the-millenium? |
| 23:56.19 | zinx | nemesis: near the year 2000... |
| 23:56.23 | derjens | produced back in 1999, i think:-) |
| 23:56.36 | nemesis | the bios battery is just for the CMOS clock |
| 23:56.41 | derjens | i am running ONLY brand new tech! ;-) |
| 23:56.57 | nemesis | and, there are some motherboard venders that used bad Cs after 2003 too |
| 23:57.05 | nemesis | ^^ ;p |
| 23:57.38 | themill | nemesis: yeah, but when it leaks, it destroys the motherboard. I've seen it in action. Machine worked fine until reboot... then it was "KB error, Press F1 to continue" and the kb tracks had been etched on the motherboard. Kaput. |
| 23:57.41 | enouf | nemesis: all CMOS settings are held with power from the battery |
| 23:57.45 | derjens | enouf, as it is very late here (0057) i would like to test sysrq keys and then shut it down for now... could please tell me *which* key to use? you've only told me what they are and how to use them yet (wiki link) |
| 23:57.51 | enouf | nemesis: in normal ibm pc mainboard types |
| 23:58.25 | enouf | derjens: alt-sysrq + S U B will suffice - did you check fstab? |
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| 23:58.32 | enouf | did you enable bootlogd? |
| 23:58.40 | nemesis | as long as you don't switch your pc at the power-supply off you will never need the battery |
| 23:58.51 | derjens | enouf, i cannot check fsck with locked up network+kb.. how should i? |
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| 23:59.08 | enouf | did you see what was said about "touch /forcefsck" ? and also see "shutdown -rF now" man shutdown |
| 23:59.22 | derjens | enouf, S U B means i should try pressing it with S, afterwards with U and at last with B, yes? |
| 23:59.28 | enouf | yes |
| 23:59.41 | enouf | derjens: h for help |
