| 00:00.12 | enouf | derjens: they case (lower/upper) doesn't matter, no Shift+S is needed |
| 00:00.25 | derjens | enouf, before shutting it down and booting again i would try to find out as much as possible about the running system because it takes some random time to get it locked again... |
| 00:00.52 | themill | swaps nemesis's ATX power supply for an older AT power supply. |
| 00:01.04 | derjens | lol |
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| 00:01.20 | nemesis | no problem, i have here 6 ATX PSUs ;p |
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| 00:01.37 | darkskiez | my kernel is ignoring packets and i dont know how to track it :( its like rp_filter is on, but it isnt |
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| 00:02.28 | derjens | enouf, i had been pressing altgr+sysrq+B and nothing happened |
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| 00:02.43 | moldy | hi |
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| 00:02.54 | derjens | so it looks like the system is completely foobar |
| 00:02.59 | enouf | derjens: for some reason, i think Laptops have some issues with the sysrq combos |
| 00:03.10 | derjens | enouf, this is a desktop board |
| 00:03.21 | enouf | what's AltGr? |
| 00:03.46 | derjens | a key found on all my keyboards (de + en_gb) |
| 00:03.48 | enouf | derjens: did you see any messages when doing the S and U ? |
| 00:03.54 | derjens | no |
| 00:03.56 | themill | enouf: get out of the US and see some real keyboards :) |
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| 00:04.07 | vn | eeeeh...why wouldn't I be able anymore to type "r" in my ssh session to my server? |
| 00:04.14 | enouf | then it's not working - OH .. is wait - you need an entry in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 00:04.15 | derjens | themill, you know how altgr is labeled in the us? |
| 00:04.16 | enouf | darnnit |
| 00:04.25 | vn | R is fine but not r and not a copy paste with the letter r |
| 00:04.29 | themill | derjens: it's just the right alt key |
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| 00:04.38 | enouf | derjens: add these two lines |
| 00:04.39 | enouf | # (S-U-B); more /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 00:04.39 | enouf | kernel.sysrq = 1 |
| 00:04.42 | vn | I get like a flash on my shell |
| 00:04.50 | vn | and I'm using screen |
| 00:04.51 | derjens | enouf, don't say i have to enable these keystrokes in sysctl.conf before?? |
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| 00:05.23 | nemesis | right, when you don't have an kernel with build in support afaik |
| 00:05.40 | derjens | finally i have no access |
| 00:06.05 | derjens | i will now try to shutdown via power button |
| 00:06.05 | enouf | derjens: yes, you do |
| 00:06.07 | nemesis | can you start an bootcd? |
| 00:06.19 | enouf | nemesis: no even if you do, IINM |
| 00:06.41 | enouf | ~$ grep SYSRQ /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:06.42 | enouf | CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y |
| 00:06.53 | derjens | that is quite hard because i did not connect the cable coming from the button to the pins on the board |
| 00:07.12 | derjens | is looking for the manual in order to bridge the right 2 pins |
| 00:07.20 | nemesis | use a screw driver ;) |
| 00:07.38 | enouf | touch the RED on the Battery to the Selenoid's GND ;-) |
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| 00:08.24 | enouf | themill: heh |
| 00:08.37 | enouf | themill: i'm such a country backwoods hick sometimes :-P |
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| 00:08.53 | themill | just remember you said it not me! |
| 00:09.19 | enouf | looks to erase the bash.org entry |
| 00:09.41 | themill | hmmm..... dpkg, qotd227 is <enouf> themill: i'm such a country backwoods hick sometimes :-P |
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| 00:10.36 | abrotman | well, why not, we've got sillier things in there :) |
| 00:10.39 | derjens | thanks for all your help, guys! |
| 00:10.48 | derjens | i will now go to bed |
| 00:11.07 | derjens | unfortunately the system was not accessable... |
| 00:11.22 | derjens | also bridging the power button pins didnt work |
| 00:11.26 | enouf | derjens: btw which kernel? |
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| 00:11.38 | derjens | i will go on working on that issue in the next days |
| 00:11.41 | enouf | is on the problem machine? |
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| 00:11.45 | nemesis | you have to bridge it around 3 secs |
| 00:11.53 | enouf | 4 or more |
| 00:11.59 | derjens | enouf, usually i dont care. current debian stable series stable kernel |
| 00:12.00 | enouf | ATX spec |
| 00:12.18 | enouf | derjens: there are 3, but most likely .18-6 then |
| 00:12.28 | derjens | nemesis, i was not about to shut it down immediately but send soft button acpi event |
| 00:12.39 | derjens | enouf, i686 |
| 00:12.45 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 00:12.46 | judd | enouf: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 00:12.54 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 --release etch |
| 00:12.54 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 |
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| 00:13.06 | teratoma | reiser is being beaten in prison |
| 00:13.07 | enouf | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-* --release etch |
| 00:13.07 | derjens | as i said i go for sleep now |
| 00:13.11 | eyeris | Does root's umask override default:mask ACL entries? |
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| 00:13.12 | derjens | thanks so far!! |
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| 00:13.26 | derjens | you were of great help, especially enouf |
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| 00:13.30 | abrotman | teratoma: really not funny |
| 00:13.43 | turneralex_ | Can you create a RAID 5 array with different sized drives? i.e 500GB, 500GB, 500GB and 300GB ? |
| 00:13.56 | abrotman | smallest drive wins |
| 00:14.05 | enouf | derjens: np, our pleasure |
| 00:14.20 | zinx | turneralex_: you can. but the portion used by RAID5 will be 300GB on all of them. |
| 00:14.34 | judd | enouf: linux-image-2.6-% in etch: etch: linux-image-2.6-486 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-686-smp 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-k7 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-k7-smp 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 2.6.18+6etch3 etch: linux-image-2.6-vserver-k7 (1 more message) |
| 00:14.51 | darkskiez | turneralex_: you could raid5 3x 200Gb partitions and 4x300Gb partitions and lvm them |
| 00:15.07 | derjens | judd, enouf, mine is the 2nd in the list -686 |
| 00:15.07 | judd | derjens: Error: "enouf," is not a valid command. |
| 00:15.14 | turneralex_ | darkskiez: Ahh kk, cheers mate ;) |
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| 00:15.47 | enouf | derjens: ok, thanks |
| 00:15.51 | enouf | judd: danke |
| 00:15.52 | judd | enouf: Error: "danke" is not a valid command. |
| 00:16.00 | enouf | stew: fix that :-P |
| 00:16.14 | derjens | wtf is that?? |
| 00:16.18 | enouf | hopes stew disabled judd's highlighting |
| 00:16.27 | enouf | derjens: it's called a bot |
| 00:16.32 | themill | !bot |
| 00:16.32 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 00:17.11 | derjens | bye and gn8 |
| 00:17.12 | elik_ | Anyone here got some quick tips on debian, sata and DMA? |
| 00:17.42 | pipeline | elik_: if DMA isn't active, your BIOS is doing something stupid to conceal the underlying hardware. |
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| 00:18.47 | elik_ | pipeline, hum, ok |
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| 00:18.47 | stew | judd: danke |
| 00:18.47 | judd | stew: ne dankinde |
| 00:19.00 | elik_ | pipeline, but I'm still getting 18Meg/s transfer rate between two sata 3bgit drives |
| 00:19.01 | enouf | elik_: you want to try and enable AHCI in BIOS if you have more than one sata drive, your controller chip might like it too |
| 00:19.18 | enouf | stew: gracias ;-) |
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| 00:19.36 | elik_ | enouf, hum, I remember seeing that option |
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| 00:19.57 | enouf | elik_: do you have also some PATA drives? if so, pastebin output of lscpi -nn please |
| 00:20.17 | elik_ | enouf, no, just sata, 3 atm |
| 00:20.26 | elik_ | coming with the paste |
| 00:21.05 | elik_ | is there some sort of lspci -nn >clipboard? that would be so nice |
| 00:21.12 | enouf | elik_: some BIOSes only offer [RAID] + other modes. no explicit AHCI, you might need to select RAID mode to get AHCI support - which Kernel version and debian release? |
| 00:21.30 | enouf | !tell elik_ -about pastewithoutx |
| 00:21.31 | pipeline | elik_: rafb.net has a perl script to which you can pipe things |
| 00:21.48 | enouf | !tell elik_ -about pastebin pipe |
| 00:21.57 | elik_ | oh, starting to love that |
| 00:22.00 | enouf | !tell elik_ -about pastebinit |
| 00:22.02 | jabis | you might want to check out a tool called pastebinit as well, |
| 00:22.07 | enouf | how's that for choices :-0 |
| 00:22.09 | jabis | enouf faster :) |
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| 00:22.21 | junix | i seem to be having some problems with my SiS chipset, its not hold the hard drive interrupt on the secondary IDE channel, has anyone else experienced this? |
| 00:22.40 | Sal_ | can anyone tell me how I can link a directory? I need this for ftp purposes... for example I try to use ln -d /dir/iwannagoto tmpfilename |
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| 00:22.43 | Sal_ | but it's not working for me |
| 00:22.47 | Sal_ | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:22.50 | elik_ | enouf, giving that a try |
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| 00:23.02 | Sal_ | if i just do ln -s, it works fine via ssh, but when it comes to ftp it attempts to download the dir and doesn't forward the user :( |
| 00:23.42 | enouf | !bind |
| 00:23.42 | dpkg | methinks bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind, or <bind9 chroot> |
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| 00:23.53 | enouf | er, not that |
| 00:23.59 | Sal_ | can anyone help me? |
| 00:24.06 | elik_ | enouf, http://pastebin.com/f6f4b5478 |
| 00:24.14 | enouf | !bind mount |
| 00:24.14 | dpkg | If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details. |
| 00:24.20 | TouchDown | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.21 | elik_ | enouf, I love the person that thought about pastebinit |
| 00:24.30 | enouf | indeed |
| 00:24.43 | elik_ | enouf, so I got 3 drives, 2 HDs and a dvd |
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| 00:24.58 | themill | elik_: if you have netcat installed, you can also just pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
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| 00:25.45 | PeskyJ | is there a tool that's a cross between netstat and top, showing an updating list of connections sorted by data transfer rates? |
| 00:25.56 | elik_ | themill, fair enough |
| 00:26.03 | enouf | elik_: all are SATA? |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | PeskyJ: jnettop,iftop |
| 00:26.07 | enouf | ahh, yep |
| 00:26.15 | elik_ | enouf, yeah, not big ugly cables in there |
| 00:26.19 | enouf | elik_: so, right now you're using ata_piix |
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| 00:26.53 | enouf | elik_: enable AHCI in BIOS and let ahci module do it's thing - also dmesg grep -i ncg |
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| 00:27.05 | elik_ | enouf, I remember seeing that AHCI option in my bios, but left it off cause I had issues with the on board controler (there is a JMicron controller there that is useless) |
| 00:27.12 | enouf | elik_: also dmesg | grep -i ncq prior like now, compare with after |
| 00:27.19 | PeskyJ | abrotman: iftop, perfect, thanks :) |
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| 00:27.28 | enouf | elik_: eww.. i saw no jmicron in lscpi :-/ |
| 00:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, cd into it? |
| 00:28.02 | Sal_ | CutMe, I'm dealing with illiterate people |
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| 00:28.09 | Sal_ | i need to somehow just have a directory in there that fowards them |
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| 00:28.25 | Sal_ | computer illiterate that is |
| 00:28.33 | elik_ | enouf, indeed, turned it off |
| 00:28.35 | TouchDown | nobodoy ? |
| 00:28.37 | enouf | elik_: gah .. you have also an Intel SATA controller, if JMicron needed also? no, not for 3 drives. so leave that Disabled, if needed enable RAID mode for the Intel |
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| 00:28.40 | elik_ | enouf, fucked up with linux |
| 00:28.41 | Sal_ | theres no way for me to do it? |
| 00:28.56 | Sal_ | if it was just one directory, i would change their home directory |
| 00:28.57 | elik_ | enouf, no raid here though |
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| 00:29.02 | Sal_ | but in this case it happens to be multiple directories |
| 00:29.03 | Sal_ | :( |
| 00:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, ln -d works... but only on the same device |
| 00:29.27 | enouf | elik_: since fixed - i know someone that compiled .27 and/or .28 which worked and .24 worked fine, .25 and .26 were broken |
| 00:30.01 | enouf | elik_: did you mention Kernel version and debian release yet? i asked for that |
| 00:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, it doesn't! |
| 00:30.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, there's always a way :-P |
| 00:30.36 | elik_ | enouf, I wonder how my dual boot will enjoy that modification, Windows is reported to do BSoD with AHCI :) |
| 00:30.43 | elik_ | enouf, nope, didn't ask for that |
| 00:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see it, though |
| 00:30.55 | Sal_ | i get Invalid cross-device link :l |
| 00:30.58 | elik_ | enouf, back when I installed, it was problematic |
| 00:31.01 | enouf | [19:17:42] <enouf> elik_: some BIOSes only offer [RAID] + other modes. no explicit AHCI, you might need to select RAID mode to get AHCI support - which Kernel version and debian release? |
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| 00:31.14 | elik_ | enouf, 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 00:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, just force them to use scp... there's nice windows clients for that and it's a lot more secure and sane anyways :) |
| 00:31.28 | Sal_ | CutMe, I really would like to do it this way :( |
| 00:31.34 | enouf | elik_: right ., were you attempting to install using .18? .24? |
| 00:31.48 | elik_ | enouf, oops, this one slipped, I was so excited about pastebinit |
| 00:32.13 | enouf | elik_: no worries ;-) i just wouldn't say i asked if i had not ;-) |
| 00:32.36 | elik_ | enouf, it was .24, at least that's the first kernel I got in /boot |
| 00:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, haha.. I know how... but... well, don't ever tell anyone I suggested something like that |
| 00:33.08 | enouf | elik_: welp, you play and have fun now ;-) see linux-ata.org too ;-) |
| 00:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's stupid :) |
| 00:33.18 | Sal_ | ok |
| 00:33.20 | Sal_ | msg me :l |
| 00:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah |
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| 00:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can mount the directories using nfs or sshfs or something instead of softlinking |
| 00:34.03 | Sal_ | users are logging in via ftp |
| 00:34.03 | enouf | elik_: could check http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 sites for quick overview, possible commits for fixes, though i recall looking in various kernels for the JMicron fix, couldn't see it |
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| 00:34.09 | Sal_ | i need to list their domain directories |
| 00:34.25 | Sal_ | which can be multiple directories in frequent cases |
| 00:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean you can mount them to the place instead of softlinking them... although softlinks really should work |
| 00:34.35 | elik_ | enouf, any benefit you would see of using JMircon instead of Intel? |
| 00:34.36 | enouf | elik_: the pata_marvell + ahci issue i recall being fixed not long ago on Debian kernels |
| 00:34.45 | Sal_ | i get an invalid cross-device link |
| 00:34.46 | Sal_ | whenever i try it |
| 00:34.52 | Sal_ | via ssh, if i use symbolic, symbolic works fine |
| 00:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, I didn't say it was a nice solution! |
| 00:35.01 | Sal_ | but in the ftp, it makes them download the directory |
| 00:35.03 | Sal_ | and it just fails |
| 00:35.19 | enouf | elik_: it should work fine, it's just off-Bus, and a 3rd party chip - but well .. i don't have 1st hand knowledge |
| 00:35.19 | Sal_ | i could've swore i've done this before |
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| 00:35.19 | Sal_ | i just dont rememeber how |
| 00:35.19 | Sal_ | just by using link :( |
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| 00:35.39 | abrotman | less enter! |
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| 00:36.01 | enouf | elik_: you might even have that Intel Matrix10 crap available? some false-hardware RAID mode, but i thought they were using SIL 4xxx for that |
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| 00:36.35 | elik_ | enouf, I think I have to turn JMicron on to have my on board raid controler |
| 00:36.54 | enouf | elik_: perhaps |
| 00:37.02 | elik_ | enouf, when you mean off bus for JMicron.. not sure how it's different from Intel integrated controler |
| 00:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, are you using vsftpd as well? |
| 00:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, I would think it's ftpd specific |
| 00:37.39 | Sal_ | proftpd |
| 00:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | how strange |
| 00:37.54 | Sal_ | you got me :l |
| 00:38.07 | Sal_ | checking proftpd conf 1 sec |
| 00:38.20 | enouf | elik_: just the exact data path from port to system bus, and non-integration into the SB, but nm that for now, really, you shouldn't suffer a performance hit - If the Intel can do AHCI without Jmicron, do it |
| 00:38.35 | Sal_ | hmm |
| 00:38.38 | elik_ | col |
| 00:38.40 | elik_ | cool |
| 00:38.46 | Sal_ | ShowSymlinks is on |
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| 00:39.08 | elik_ | eat my sandwish that has been waiting for 30 minutes and give that a try |
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| 00:39.26 | deadcat | how do i know which bluetooth usb dongle to buy that works on linux? |
| 00:39.47 | deadcat | it would be for my wireless apple keyboard. |
| 00:39.58 | abrotman | deadcat: google? |
| 00:40.08 | deadcat | abrotman: looking |
| 00:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, hm, at least for *my* setup, I think I know why the softlink doesn't work |
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| 00:41.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, I've set up anonymous ftp that runs in a chroot, iirc (didn't use it for a long time) - if the soft-link points to outside the chroot, of *course* it cannot work |
| 00:41.58 | Sal_ | heh |
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| 00:42.02 | enouf | elik_: cat /proc/cmdline please ; summarize; dmesg | grep -i ncq before/after AHCI, see linux-ata.org |
| 00:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, it's not a property of the softlink, that works fine - it's the chroot jail for the ftp server |
| 00:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess as you get the same error, the same problem applies to you |
| 00:42.33 | Sal_ | yeah it acts as a download |
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| 00:42.37 | Sal_ | instead of redirecting |
| 00:42.49 | Sal_ | though i remember doing this before and having it working |
| 00:42.53 | Sal_ | long time ago |
| 00:43.08 | Sal_ | not sure if version change disabling me, or if i did something extra that i'm forgetting |
| 00:43.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want that, you have to take the ftp server outside the chroot jail |
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| 00:43.27 | Sal_ | how can i do that? |
| 00:43.43 | elik_ | enouf, what's the /proc/cmdline for? |
| 00:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't even have an idea what your setup is... AND have a different ftp server ... how should I know :) |
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| 00:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in the config file for your ftp server, I guess |
| 00:44.55 | enouf | themill: that "just pipe to nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" is awesome! thanks! - does the 1234 need to be such? |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | there is a #proftpd |
| 00:45.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems for vsftpd it's kind of in the #chroot_list_file option |
| 00:45.46 | enouf | themill: i've a perl pastebin pipe, i've been using with pastebin.ca, it's slow sometimes though ;-) |
| 00:46.00 | deadcat | should i get this? my qube3 dont have sound card and i can use this to play mp3: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8978 |
| 00:46.20 | enouf | elik_: to see if you have anythings like acpi=off and such |
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| 00:46.37 | themill | enouf: I guess so... I don't know who paste.dyndns.org actually is, but that's the port that they presumably have $daemon listening on. (pastebin.ca is often pretty slow) |
| 00:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, if you want it within the chroot, you'll have to mount it there - nfs, samba, sshfs... doesn't really matter - after mounting a whole tree you can still do whatever softlinks you want |
| 00:47.06 | enouf | themill: ahh.. port number - doh - thanks.. yes, it's annoying many times |
| 00:47.08 | Sal_ | ugh |
| 00:47.13 | Sal_ | now my name that was working before |
| 00:47.16 | Sal_ | isnt working eitehr |
| 00:47.20 | Sal_ | wtf with this :l |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | Sal_: lay off the enter key |
| 00:47.48 | enouf | themill: it's higher than 1024 fortunately, and easy to remember :-) |
| 00:48.00 | themill | :) |
| 00:48.48 | enouf | Sal_: yes, please, ease up on the enter key amount |
| 00:49.43 | elik_ | enouf, cat /proc/cmdline, that's my kernel boot options? got that: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=UUID=29533991-d240-4446-8af9-c2e8ce69c877 ro |
| 00:49.48 | Sal_ | i don't have an enter key :( |
| 00:50.51 | nemesis | ASCII 10 |
| 00:51.20 | enouf | elik_: i didn't need the exact UUID :-P but thanks - er .. and why is that the cmdline? which bootloader is that? is that from a livecd/installer? hrm, maybe that's the typical output for amd64 arch, dunno |
| 00:52.09 | elik_ | enouf, bah, netinstall... with a few kernel updates |
| 00:52.16 | enouf | Sal_: relabel your key, it's broken :-p |
| 00:52.19 | dmoerner | BOOT_IMAGE is not default for amd64, you just need root=XXX ro by default |
| 00:52.42 | elik_ | enouf, as for UUID, oops |
| 00:52.54 | Sal_ | says return :P |
| 00:52.56 | elik_ | :) |
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| 00:54.05 | enouf | dmoerner: it's weird, i haven't seen that outside of say livecds and such much.. oh well - maybe using LiLo or other? ... it's not important, so long as it does not mean he's not actually using Debian ;-) |
| 00:55.02 | enouf | dmoerner: i mean, i know it's a boot: prompt option, usually i see that in initrd /init files or /linuxrc or similar |
| 00:55.24 | dmoerner | yeah i've only seen it there as well |
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| 00:58.45 | enouf | dmoerner: i'm fairly sure someone in d-boot mentioned how newer Lenny installers (and/or grub udeb?) do use the "root=UUID=35435321-xxxx-xxxx" nomenclature now like was seen on many ubuntus awhile back |
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| 01:00.34 | enouf | maybe it was /etc/fstab entries or similar i'm thinking of - but it was likely done to finally close that libata "is it hda or sda" mess :-P |
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| 01:01.12 | dmoerner | this machine is an amd64 install that is ~10 days old with the latest dailies and I didn't get UUIDs. maybe they have implemented it in other architectures or with some preseeding switch |
| 01:02.06 | enouf | interesting - maybe i'm thinking of grub2 stuffs? wait, there's no menu.lst anymore in grub2? right? |
| 01:02.10 | elik | enouf, so my hd were in Standard IDE mode, I can chose from AHCI and raid |
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| 01:02.44 | enouf | no, the grub2 thing was hd1,0 is no more as well, so that hd1,1 is hda1 .. heh |
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| 01:02.54 | enouf | bah! |
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| 01:03.07 | enouf | no, the grub2 thing was hd0,0 is no more as well, so that hd0,1 is hda1 .. heh |
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| 01:03.32 | enouf | elik: nice - go for it |
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| 01:03.45 | dmoerner | enouf: grub2 has a different format and name but still had a configuration file. IIRC you can now tweak basic settings for update-grub in /etc/default/grub or something like that, but i didn't use it for this install |
| 01:03.49 | SzArAk | hi. i've successfully installed nfs server, and was able to use a share from a differend host. but after instaling selinux on nfs server i cant mount nfs anymore from the other host (non-selinux) |
| 01:04.13 | SzArAk | is it possible to use nfs share on selinux server form non-selinux host? |
| 01:04.14 | enouf | dmoerner: right, i heard about /etc/default/grub and perhaps /etc/grub.conf or somesuch |
| 01:05.09 | SzArAk | i've made a simple selinux setup as shown here http://etbe.blogspot.com/2006/12/se-linux-on-debian-in-5-minutes.html |
| 01:05.34 | enouf | 5 mintues is way too long - i'm docking your pay :-P |
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| 01:06.26 | SzArAk | http://dpaste.com/108334/ that's what syslog says on the nfs server |
| 01:07.11 | enouf | SzArAk: perhaps an initrd issue , or maybe a /etc/dufault/nfs-kernel-server (or similar) file setting |
| 01:07.11 | enouf | oops, /etc/default/nfs* |
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| 01:08.35 | enouf | criky, i thought maybe you could just do the 'selinux 1' on the kernel line to enable it, guess not |
| 01:08.58 | elik_ | enouf, I guess that's what we could call good news: [ 2.891284] ahci 0000:00:1f.2: flags: 64bit ncq led clo pio slum part |
| 01:09.18 | elik_ | enouf, that's the diff for dmesg | grep ncq |
| 01:09.42 | SzArAk | enouf: initrd? you mean selinux isnt working properly? it seems it does. everything seems to look as in howto |
| 01:10.09 | enouf | dmoerner: IINM, the removal of hd0,0 is replaced with hd0,1 for compatibility with either Multiboot spec, or for GPT support, non-confusion or something |
| 01:10.46 | SzArAk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.56 | enouf | SzArAk: no, i meant nfs-kernel-server settings, but i'm not going to be much help to you , but poke about in /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
| 01:11.12 | enouf | i see now, aye |
| 01:11.14 | \amethyst | SzArAk: I'm not terribly familiar with selinux, but it looks like you need to edit the policies to allow rpc.mountd access to your mounts |
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| 01:12.24 | enouf | elik_: yes - nice - however .. there should be more |
| 01:12.26 | k-man | how do i get syslog to log all msgs from a specific host to a different file? |
| 01:12.54 | enouf | elik_: from your HDD firmware - that;s the kernel controller module line for ahci.kp |
| 01:12.56 | enouf | er .ko |
| 01:13.03 | SzArAk | mhm, are you able to give me a hint how to change policies for that? it's my first selinux attempt ;p |
| 01:13.18 | enouf | elik_: grep -i ncq |
| 01:13.18 | SzArAk | i'm a bit confused ;p |
| 01:13.23 | elik_ | enouf, hum, ok |
| 01:13.33 | pobega | Does the Debian installer support encryption? |
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| 01:13.38 | enouf | yep |
| 01:13.49 | elik_ | yes yes, I did put the case insensitive |
| 01:13.54 | enouf | !tell pobega -about ig |
| 01:14.07 | elik_ | enouf, I just left it out here |
| 01:14.20 | enouf | elik_: ensure your drive's are not limited via jumper to sata1 speeds or similar |
| 01:14.29 | enouf | oh |
| 01:14.31 | elik_ | enouf, well, there is more as well |
| 01:14.31 | elik_ | sorry |
| 01:14.36 | elik_ | enouf, I was showing the diff |
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| 01:14.51 | elik_ | there is [ 3.254657] ata1.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32) and [ 4.462132] ata3.00: 1953525168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32) as well |
| 01:14.52 | enouf | elik_: oh .. well - post it and maybe i'll explain |
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| 01:15.15 | enouf | elik_: the 31/32 part likely wasn't there earlier - or .. it shouldn't have been .. IINM |
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| 01:15.48 | elik_ | enouf, true, vim diff show it went from 0/32 to 31/32 |
| 01:15.51 | enouf | elik_: (31/32) is real good - (0/32 is bad) now run some test |
| 01:15.58 | enouf | aha! |
| 01:16.02 | enouf | bastage :-P |
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| 01:16.20 | elik_ | enouf, L) |
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| 01:16.29 | enouf | !spank elik_ |
| 01:16.29 | dpkg | bends elik_ over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 01:16.44 | elik_ | 8) |
| 01:16.50 | elik_ | its knee |
| 01:16.53 | pobega | enouf: I can't find the option for LVM anywhere in the installer |
| 01:17.01 | elik_ | enouf, so, should it enhance transfer speed overall, or just drive to drive transfer^ |
| 01:17.04 | enouf | !gender |
| 01:17.04 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 01:17.08 | enouf | ok then |
| 01:17.21 | enouf | elik_: overall |
| 01:17.51 | elik_ | enouf, 77.60 MB/sec |
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| 01:18.09 | enouf | pobega: try Logical Volume -- it's all in the Installation guide |
| 01:18.10 | elik_ | enouf, I'd don't remember speed before, but I feel like it didn't change much... |
| 01:18.15 | Nu_Zalem | Hey guys |
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| 01:18.29 | enouf | elik_: oh well .. we tried :-p |
| 01:19.03 | pobega | enouf: It's IN the installation guide, but the guide just doesn''t say WHERE the option is |
| 01:19.27 | elik_ | enouf, can't say it hurts though... |
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| 01:20.05 | elik_ | enouf, in hdparm, I see that DMA Setup Auto-Activate optimization is not enabled... |
| 01:20.09 | enouf | pobega: wait, did you use Guided mode? |
| 01:20.12 | elik_ | could that... do anything? |
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| 01:20.34 | enouf | pobega: try using 'expert' mode too ,,..from the boot: prompt - use f1-f10 keys |
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| 01:20.55 | pobega | enouf: I'm in expert right now. I found logical (I stupidly forgot where it was), now I need to figure out the rest. |
| 01:21.02 | enouf | elik_: pastebin the command you ran and output |
| 01:21.10 | WormBe | What is the fastest way to recompile a kernel? I make minor changes to it each time and would like to know if a fast way exists |
| 01:21.45 | pobega | enouf: I can make logical partitions, but I can't find a way to make encrypted logical partitions. |
| 01:22.21 | enouf | WormBe: nope - you could compile and add out-of-tree modules more quickly i bet though - Insert/Remove them easily - actually, just build (most) everything as a module :-P |
| 01:22.31 | elik_ | enouf, http://pastebin.com/f133f4713 is the output of hdparm -I /dev/sda | pastebinit - |
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| 01:22.59 | enouf | pobega: i don't think it works quite like that, i think you want LUKs enabled Volume Groups or something |
| 01:23.01 | WormBe | enouf: no, it's not a matter of adding modules, it's a matter of messing with the kernel sources |
| 01:23.11 | pobega | enouf: Is that possible in the installer? |
| 01:23.15 | enouf | WormBe: i see |
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| 01:23.57 | pobega | I'm trying to minimize my troubles by encrypting at install time, as I've had problems with encryption while the system was installed. |
| 01:24.10 | enouf | pobega: i'm not sure - please see wiki.debian.org as well - here's some screenshots too http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto |
| 01:24.47 | enouf | pobega: i know it's doable, that 'issue' there is resolved since months now though - just FYI |
| 01:25.24 | enouf | it's actually recommended you do it at install time, for ease ;-) |
| 01:25.24 | elik_ | thinks that hdparm -t enouf > hdparm -t /dev/sda on his system |
| 01:25.33 | enouf | elik_: one sec |
| 01:26.42 | elik_ | enouf, yeah, don't worry.. I was just amazed by the quantity of information you deal with at the same time... it is to wonder if you have a team working behing a single seat and you fight for the keyboard :P |
| 01:27.05 | enouf | elik_: you're fine - you're in udma6 mode, and with SATA it's all auto, and it's a newer form of DMA, that missing feature is likely not found in your drive's firmware |
| 01:27.32 | enouf | elik_: heh - i know how you might think that ;-) thanks |
| 01:27.49 | enouf | elik_: i too have been marvelled in the past, and continue to be |
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| 01:29.38 | dokma | hey guys. I've got dedicated debian box on netdirekt.de and I'd like to restrict ssh access to it to my home debian box only. |
| 01:29.47 | dokma | what's the natural way to do this |
| 01:30.05 | elik_ | enouf, so, what is your hd transfer rate? |
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| 01:30.15 | enouf | elik_: 20MB/sec tops ;-) |
| 01:30.22 | enouf | udma2 |
| 01:30.44 | elik_ | enouf, so... can I qualify my transfer rate as.. normal? |
| 01:30.47 | elik_ | or it gets better? |
| 01:31.22 | elik_ | 20mb/s is my usb2.0 external drive transfer rate |
| 01:31.37 | elik_ | so sata3gb is just 4 times faster than that.. |
| 01:31.54 | enouf | elik_: where did you recently post output of "benchmarks?" |
| 01:32.08 | enouf | elik_: have you tried lbs.sourceforge.net? |
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| 01:32.53 | elik_ | enouf, hum, no, that dropped off the stack |
| 01:33.11 | elik_ | enouf, I didn't really post my benchmarks.. just though it was slow to begin with.. |
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| 01:33.21 | enouf | well, there's 1.5gbps (2.0spec?) then 3.0gbps (WhoKnows spec) the 1.5gb == 187.5MB/sec once your calculate out for the 8/10b encoding |
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| 01:33.40 | elik_ | transfering from my 500gb to my recently purchased 1TB |
| 01:34.13 | enouf | elik_: you showed 18.xMB/sec when you 1st showed up her today, IIRC |
| 01:34.17 | enouf | her/here |
| 01:35.23 | elik_ | roomate remembers 68-70 mb/s |
| 01:35.24 | enouf | the real benefit, besides AHCI and NCQ is also dedicated bus lanes |
| 01:35.29 | enouf | not shared like with PCI |
| 01:35.33 | elik_ | oh, ok, cool |
| 01:35.58 | enouf | elik_: all SATA have/use that - wikipedia.org has much info ;-) |
| 01:36.24 | enouf | elik_: PCI-Express as well, but that's connected NB wise, more direct to system mem and cpu |
| 01:36.27 | elik_ | yeah, I'll fix my Windows with Wikipedia :) |
| 01:36.36 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 01:36.36 | dpkg | somebody said \o/ was w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 01:37.00 | elik_ | yeah, i doubt my controler is on PCIE |
| 01:37.23 | elik_ | PCIE is right on MCH no? |
| 01:37.30 | enouf | elik_: it isn't, unless you install a card - externally hook one up |
| 01:37.37 | enouf | elik_: yep |
| 01:37.57 | enouf | MCH == Intel name for NB :-P though there are differences technically |
| 01:38.57 | enouf | nvidia calls theirs MCXX something or another - mostly marketing - but yeah MCH/ICH == NB/SB basically |
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| 01:39.23 | elik_ | right |
| 01:39.58 | nanonyme | Hey, for some reason installing libXdmcp6 and libXdmcp-dev doesn't install libXdmcp.la for me. Why is that? |
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| 01:40.45 | enouf | !find libXdmcp.la |
| 01:40.46 | elik_ | lot of stuff on http://lbs.sourceforge.net/, but for hd, the quickhit is hdparm |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | nanonyme: use apt-file |
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| 01:41.18 | enouf | elik_: nah - use bonnie++ and iozone or whatever - mdadm raid0 those suckers :-p |
| 01:41.18 | abrotman | though i don't have it in lenny |
| 01:41.34 | enouf | elik_: could even try 'dt' (datatest) google it |
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| 01:41.42 | elik_ | ok, brb |
| 01:41.49 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXdmcp.la' returned no results. |
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| 01:42.17 | enouf | .la == library archive? |
| 01:42.29 | enouf | static? dynamic? |
| 01:42.43 | enouf | library alias? |
| 01:43.03 | nanonyme | I'm not sure but it's necessary for compiling certain X.org components. |
| 01:43.09 | nanonyme | Iirc libXv. |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | nanonyme: you sure about that? |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | doesn't appear to be in lenny or sid |
| 01:43.28 | enouf | $ find /lib -name '*.la' -type f == 0 |
| 01:43.39 | nanonyme | abrotman: Well, considering I get an error 2 on compile, pretty sure. |
| 01:44.05 | enouf | ahh /usr/lib returns somethings |
| 01:45.25 | enouf | nanonyme: pastebin the compile command, and the last 30-50 lines |
| 01:46.14 | enouf | nanonyme: look for the very 1st error as well :-P |
| 01:46.29 | nanonyme | Ah, it's a libtool archive. |
| 01:46.45 | enouf | you might need to pull from git? |
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| 01:47.45 | nanonyme | http://pastebin.ca/1306977 |
| 01:47.50 | nanonyme | enouf: Pull what, actually? |
| 01:49.05 | enouf | nanonyme: IOW, too new - you haven't given details |
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| 01:49.38 | enouf | not pkg'd yet, not ready for primetime or something, maybe buggy, who knows |
| 01:49.44 | nanonyme | Ah, yes. The whole X.org I'm trying to use is from git. Stable branches where possible though. |
| 01:50.04 | nanonyme | enouf: Eh, it's the packaged thing in Debian that's borked, more like. :) |
| 01:50.23 | nanonyme | Since the Debian package doesn't give the file you need for compiling. |
| 01:50.36 | wrench- | i have a system that needs to be able to talk on two separate networks |
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| 01:50.49 | wrench- | i have 2 nic's but am unsure about how to configure this |
| 01:50.58 | nanonyme | (Unless of course libtool was taken to use in a later version of the software. That's possible too) |
| 01:50.59 | wrench- | i have read that a system cannot have more than one default route |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | it cannot |
| 01:51.16 | wrench- | so i am wondering which interface to give the default route to |
| 01:51.21 | enouf | nanonyme: er .. you seem to be cross-compiling? |
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| 01:51.26 | wrench- | and then how to setup the routing for the second interface |
| 01:51.34 | crunge | wrench-: which interface has your default gateway? |
| 01:51.37 | enouf | nanonyme: use export LANG=C prior to compile command |
| 01:51.47 | enouf | nanonyme: and also ls -l /usr/lib64/libXdmcp.la |
| 01:52.08 | wrench- | crunge, well, right now i have given default routes to both (or i think i have) |
| 01:52.12 | nanonyme | enouf: If I'm cross-compiling, there's a bug in the build script somewhere. |
| 01:52.25 | wrench- | what do you folks use for pasting, pastebin? |
| 01:52.33 | crunge | wrench-: which interface do packets need to go to reach the Internet? |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 01:52.39 | wrench- | i can paste what i've got for you to see, that's probably easiest |
| 01:53.04 | nanonyme | enouf: ls: cannot access /usr/lib64/libXdmcp.la: No such file or directory |
| 01:53.31 | enouf | nanonyme: well telling us which arch you're on, and target arch might help - as well as the command i asked for |
| 01:54.19 | enouf | nanonyme: /scratch/nanonyme/git/xorg-dev/libXv <-- and you don't know what git is? |
| 01:54.33 | wrench- | http://paste.debian.net/25852/ |
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| 01:54.48 | wrench- | my current (broken) config |
| 01:55.03 | enouf | wrench-: openvlan perhaps? |
| 01:55.08 | nanonyme | enouf: I'm on amd64. This is with LANG=C http://pastebin.ca/1306983 |
| 01:55.29 | nanonyme | enouf: I'm not trying to cross-compile. |
| 01:55.38 | crunge | wrench-: so... if you were single homed, which interface would get you to the Internet? |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | wrench-: can't give them both gateways in the interfaces file .. use rc.local to set the route for the other network |
| 01:55.56 | wrench- | crunge: both could |
| 01:56.08 | crunge | wrench-: pick one |
| 01:56.08 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | abrotman, temme onething |
| 01:56.13 | enouf | nanonyme: you're on amd64 or in a amd64 chroot env? |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | temme indeed |
| 01:56.17 | wrench- | crunge: but i would rather internet traffic go out the 10.0.40.0 interface |
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| 01:56.23 | wrench- | eth1 |
| 01:56.34 | crunge | wrench-: are the interfaces on separate networks/VLANs? |
| 01:56.35 | nanonyme | enouf: Native amd64, nothing more. |
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| 01:56.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | if i install a deb packages say linux-image*.deb manually using dpkg -i will synaptic update the package if an updated version is available |
| 01:56.47 | wrench- | crunge, yes.... separate networks |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | sh4d3sl4y3r_: yes |
| 01:57.11 | crunge | wrench-: yeah, so remove the other gateway line |
| 01:57.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 01:57.24 | stew | wrench-: you can have more than one default gateway, but they'd have to be in separate routing tables: /msg dpkg split access |
| 01:57.28 | wrench- | but will that break traffic to the 10.23.5 network? |
| 01:57.41 | crunge | wrench-: not to 10.23 hosts |
| 01:57.54 | stew | wrench-: no traffic for 10.23.5.x will still go out on eth0 |
| 01:57.55 | wrench- | crunge: ok |
| 01:58.11 | nanonyme | enouf: Why? |
| 01:58.14 | elik_ | enouf, wow, I think bonnie++ is a bit overkill for what I want to check |
| 01:58.26 | enouf | nanonyme: ok, i officially give up - i don't even have a clue |
| 01:58.48 | crunge | wrench-: the default gateway is for when the system doesn't have a route for a destination. For each ip/subnet mask set on an interface the system creates a route associating that netblock as being link-local to that interface |
| 01:59.13 | nanonyme | enouf: The version 1.0.2 should have that file so libXdmcp-dev for Etch, Lenny and Sid seem to be officially broken then. :P |
| 01:59.15 | wrench- | ok |
| 01:59.26 | wrench- | because the system will need to talk to other systems on the 10.23.5 network |
| 01:59.36 | wrench- | and 10.23.5 network hosts will need to talk back to it |
| 01:59.43 | enouf | nanonyme: /me shrugs - check with #debian-x on oftc.net |
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| 01:59.56 | abrotman | uhm .. he should ask #xorg .. he's using the git stuff |
| 02:00.10 | enouf | git debian? or git xorg? |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | nanonyme: why are you compiling X anyways ? |
| 02:00.26 | wrench- | crunge: does what i just said make sense? |
| 02:00.28 | crunge | wrench-: when a route is to a device (eth0, eth1), the system will arp for the destination on the appropriate interface. When the route is to the gateway the system will arp for the gateway on the appropriate device |
| 02:00.30 | nanonyme | abrotman: I need it to get to test DRI support for my display adapter card. |
| 02:00.34 | enouf | ofcourse, if not Debian sources, no, then not debian channels nanonyme |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | nanonyme: which is? |
| 02:00.44 | enouf | but then why ask here? |
| 02:00.47 | nanonyme | abrotman: RV670 chipset. |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | and isn't that why xorg is modular now? |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | the whole point being you don't have to make world anymore |
| 02:01.04 | nanonyme | Well, I need to recompile huge portions of X.org. |
| 02:01.31 | crunge | wrench-: yes. If 10.23.5 systems are using 10.23.5 IPs and they need to reply to packets from 10.23.5.3, they will consider the system link-local and get it to your system, assuming it's plugged in, etc |
| 02:01.39 | elik_ | enouf, "You're lucky to get 75MB/s with a desktop drive." |
| 02:01.52 | elik_ | enouf, with that perspective... I'm good with my 80 :D |
| 02:01.57 | elik_ | enouf, ah, relativity |
| 02:02.04 | enouf | nanonyme: did you pull from debian's xorg git? or ... gah, i guess they pull from xorg upstream git .. i suck |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | nanonyme: and which version of debian ? |
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| 02:02.16 | nanonyme | This is Lenny. |
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| 02:02.26 | stoned | ahhhh boy |
| 02:02.35 | stoned | what kickin' people |
| 02:02.47 | enouf | elik_: hehe - that's true - 90MB/sec is almost never seen - with mdadm though, much higher rates are seen :-P |
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| 02:02.55 | simonrvn | the bucket ;p |
| 02:02.59 | stoned | heh |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | nanonyme: i thought you could grab the radeon driver from experimental ? |
| 02:03.25 | enouf | stoned: can i pronounce your ahhh as ohhhh? |
| 02:03.31 | crunge | wrench-: I learned it as "shout or route" but google turns up very little good results for that |
| 02:03.32 | nanonyme | abrotman: It's not just radeon driver I need. It's also xorg server and DRM, later Mesa too. |
| 02:03.33 | stoned | who is using the xorg 7.4 from exp.? |
| 02:03.39 | stoned | what is the quality/stability like? |
| 02:03.48 | stoned | is still building by hand |
| 02:04.17 | nanonyme | stoned: Did you have compiling problems with libXv, out of interest? |
| 02:04.22 | stoned | enouf, no aaaaaaaaahh, like a sigh you know |
| 02:04.28 | stoned | nope |
| 02:04.33 | stoned | 100% a ok |
| 02:04.38 | enouf | stoned: i like it - will keep your ahhh intact :-) |
| 02:04.54 | nanonyme | stoned: Could you check if you have libXdmcp.la in your /usr/lib/ folder? |
| 02:04.56 | elik_ | enouf, I did Install mdadm.. thought it was benchmakring, but it asked weird questions during installation :P |
| 02:05.07 | stoned | nanonyme, yes |
| 02:05.22 | elik_ | enouf, so I guess I was just paranoid |
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| 02:05.22 | nanonyme | Which arch is it? |
| 02:05.22 | enouf | stoned: nanonyme er usr/lib64/libXdmcp.la ? |
| 02:05.22 | nanonyme | Interesting. |
| 02:05.25 | enouf | elik_: haha |
| 02:05.28 | stoned | you are on amd64 |
| 02:05.29 | nanonyme | Erm, yeah, that. |
| 02:05.32 | stoned | I am on i386 |
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| 02:05.49 | nanonyme | Yeah, I think the libXdmcp-dev package for amd64 is broken in Etch, Lenny and Sid. |
| 02:05.53 | stoned | the first one was a rhetorical questions= |
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| 02:06.01 | stoned | and my keyboard blows chunks |
| 02:06.18 | elik_ | enouf, so mdadm is actually a raid controller... |
| 02:06.24 | enouf | gah! |
| 02:06.27 | nanonyme | Where do I file a bug? :) |
| 02:06.29 | enouf | !mdadm |
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| 02:06.35 | stoned | nanonyme, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 02:06.35 | elik_ | enouf, think imma remove that before ti messes with my system :D |
| 02:06.39 | enouf | ahhhhhh boy!@ |
| 02:06.51 | stoned | yeehhh thas right ahhhhhhhh boy |
| 02:07.03 | elik_ | enouf, If I want raid, I'll turn on my hardware controller :) |
| 02:07.19 | enouf | elik_: cough bullshit cough |
| 02:07.21 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:08.02 | elik_ | enouf, thx for all the infos |
| 02:08.24 | enouf | np |
| 02:08.24 | elik_ | I know more about my computer than I did before, always more! |
| 02:08.24 | elik_ | enouf++ |
| 02:08.24 | elik_ | !enouf++ |
| 02:08.24 | stoned | !enouf++ |
| 02:08.31 | enouf | !hug elik_ and stoned |
| 02:08.31 | dpkg | gives elik_ and stoned a hug |
| 02:08.56 | elik_ | enouf, on to go see how Windows like this shinny new AHCI controller |
| 02:09.05 | elik_ | fell like imma have some fun :) |
| 02:09.15 | stoned | enjoy |
| 02:09.26 | enouf | elik_: indeed - don't forget to now go to the windows forums :-P |
| 02:09.29 | stoned | my roommates dad is visint and he brought me a pack of pakistani cigs |
| 02:09.42 | elik_ | enouf, aren't you on #windows as well |
| 02:09.43 | stoned | Red Label Wills Kings |
| 02:09.46 | elik_ | #windows, LOL! |
| 02:09.47 | stoned | king size filter |
| 02:09.47 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:09.57 | enouf | elik_: sometimes i pop in there for very specific things |
| 02:09.58 | stoned | I'm going nto go enjoy |
| 02:10.19 | enouf | elik_: then i see people giving horrible linux advice, and i can't leave and chime in :-P |
| 02:10.20 | elik_ | enouf, I thought there would be 1 person in there (after me joining) |
| 02:10.23 | elik_ | later stoned |
| 02:10.24 | enouf | i get stuck |
| 02:10.47 | enouf | elik_: ##windows - the # should redirect you |
| 02:10.54 | elik_ | enouf, windows+community don't add up |
| 02:11.05 | elik_ | yeah, I was surprised with the 300 something ppl in there |
| 02:11.12 | abrotman | notes this is #debian ... |
| 02:11.27 | elik_ | #debian > #windows |
| 02:11.32 | elik_ | >> |
| 02:11.41 | stoned | whatever, debian sucks! |
| 02:11.43 | stoned | windows ftw. |
| 02:11.50 | stoned | *afk* |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | if you want to discuss windows .. go to ##windows |
| 02:12.08 | elik_ | yeah, I could put #ubuntu > #debian too.. but that'd would not be cool |
| 02:12.16 | elik_ | abrotman, didn't discuss windows did we? |
| 02:12.23 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !windows |
| 02:12.23 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | if you want to discuss windows .. go to ##windows |
| 02:12.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | xD |
| 02:12.33 | elik_ | ya ya |
| 02:12.55 | enouf | elik_: just move on ... see ya - i'm stepping afk for a while |
| 02:13.45 | elik | seeya |
| 02:14.00 | elik | thx again enouf |
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| 02:20.14 | subsume | if I installed py from source, is it doubtful that a package like python-mysqldb will be accessible to it? |
| 02:21.41 | dondelelcaro | subsume: depends on whether you installed it properly or not |
| 02:22.00 | dondelelcaro | (though you're almost certainly better off using the Debian packages) |
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| 02:23.53 | vn | hi, my mysqld is kinda slow and I can't stop it properly and it doesnt generate any log, I'd like to know what to check/do...thanks |
| 02:23.54 | subsume | dondelelcaro: right, but debian packages in the way of Python are lacking |
| 02:24.15 | simonrvn | subsume: wut? |
| 02:24.47 | dondelelcaro | subsume: in what way? |
| 02:24.47 | simonrvn | vn: your config? |
| 02:24.47 | stew | subsume: in what way are they lacking? |
| 02:24.48 | vn | simonrvn: my my.cnf? |
| 02:24.49 | subsume | mod_wsgi in debian is for 2.4 |
| 02:24.57 | subsume | (which I need) |
| 02:25.18 | dondelelcaro | subsume: not in unstable |
| 02:25.31 | dondelelcaro | subsume: and if you need it for 2.5, it's not a huge deal to recompile it to use 2.5 |
| 02:25.34 | subsume | that only gets me to 2.5... I wanted to 2.6... |
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| 02:26.51 | subsume | I wasn't able to find it, unstable or not. |
| 02:27.41 | vn | simonrvn? |
| 02:27.52 | vn | did you mean my my.cnf or something else? |
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| 02:28.52 | simonrvn | my.cnf yes |
| 02:29.02 | vn | ok, min |
| 02:30.15 | stew | subsume: i think that you'll find that switching debian stable to be using python 2.6 to be difficult |
| 02:30.45 | subsume | yes, I am finding it so. |
| 02:31.04 | click170 | Hey, Im in KDE and I just installed Compiz last night, but I just noticed today that my screen keeps blinking every few minutes since I installed that stuff |
| 02:31.10 | click170 | Anybody have any idea why? |
| 02:31.25 | click170 | Oh damn. This would be the wrong channel. My appologies. |
| 02:32.15 | vn | simonrvn: here you go, my my.cnf : http://paste.debian.net/25856/ |
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| 02:35.35 | simonrvn | vn: looks ok to me. what's the problem? |
| 02:35.52 | simonrvn | looks like a default or near default config actually |
| 02:36.04 | vn | simonrvn: it got very slow and I can't stop it with /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 02:36.11 | vn | it is |
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| 02:36.48 | rgr | what method/approach would you suggest for accessing the dvd player from another machine on my lan? |
| 02:37.01 | vn | rgr: a share? |
| 02:37.36 | simonrvn | i wouldn't know, except start looking at that log. considering the logging slows it down a lot, you could turn that off to see. the bin logging is ok, but the text logging makes it slow. |
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| 02:38.58 | vn | yeah but how do I read the bin log? |
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| 02:41.11 | simonrvn | check out the docs at dev.mysql.com; i don't recall how tbh, i do it from a ui ;p |
| 02:41.11 | Ben_Pang | I has wrong for "error trying to exec 'cc1obj': execvp: No such file or directory" |
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| 02:41.38 | simonrvn | you need an objc compiler |
| 02:42.08 | vn | I remember having this error, is it possible it changes something? : Improperly closed tables are also reported if clients are accessing the tables *now*. A list of current connections is below. |
| 02:42.21 | vn | but there was no list |
| 02:43.12 | simonrvn | that's ok. so what sort of tables are you running? if you're using myisam mostly, i'd suggest running a check, and that fairly often too. |
| 02:44.13 | Ben_Pang | can help me anyone? |
| 02:44.28 | simonrvn | Ben_Pang: simonrvn you need an objc compiler |
| 02:45.31 | abrotman | simonrvn: that was repetitive! |
| 02:45.45 | simonrvn | no kidding! |
| 02:45.46 | Ben_Pang | simonrvn: i has installed c and cpp compiler |
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| 02:45.52 | kantlivelong | is it possible to merge two mics with ~/.asoundrc into dsnoop or can i do seperate "dsnoop"s? |
| 02:46.00 | simonrvn | cpp != objc |
| 02:46.25 | stew | though g++ compiles both, right? |
| 02:46.57 | nanonyme | No. |
| 02:47.07 | simonrvn | eh, no stuff for say gnustep related things, and such |
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| 02:47.13 | simonrvn | not* |
| 02:47.18 | vn | simonrvn: where to I see these tables types? |
| 02:47.22 | simonrvn | not the same |
| 02:47.26 | nanonyme | C++ is in no way related to Objective C, requires a completely different compiler. :) |
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| 02:47.33 | simonrvn | vn: in your dbs |
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| 02:47.49 | Ben_Pang | simonrvn, you mean is need installing package gobjc or gobjc++ |
| 02:48.03 | huwenfeng | when i run 'ls', the output is : 'reading directory. : Input/output error |
| 02:48.03 | vn | utf8_general_ci <=== that? |
| 02:48.04 | solid_liq | yeah, c++ is way better than obj-c |
| 02:48.09 | huwenfeng | what's wrong with it? |
| 02:48.15 | nanonyme | solid_liq: Actually the other way around. |
| 02:48.31 | stew | nanonyme: you are telling me that g++ doesn't compile objc? |
| 02:48.34 | huwenfeng | just in one disk, but in other partition, it's OK. what's wrong? |
| 02:48.40 | nanonyme | At least that's what people who are actually good in objc have been telling me. |
| 02:48.51 | simonrvn | Ben_Pang: objc |
| 02:49.04 | vn | simonrvn: utf8_general_ci <=== that? |
| 02:49.12 | simonrvn | vn: no. if you don't know, then they're probably MyISAM |
| 02:49.17 | Ben_Pang | simnonrvn,you are right~thanks~ |
| 02:49.24 | simonrvn | Ben_Pang: np |
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| 02:49.41 | vn | ok...imma try to find out how to do checks |
| 02:49.43 | simonrvn | on debian you have to explicitly enable InnoDB |
| 02:49.53 | simonrvn | vn: mysqlcheck |
| 02:50.56 | Ben_Pang | simnonrvn,I has also two warning! help me again please! |
| 02:51.48 | simonrvn | um, what are they? i'm not over there |
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| 02:52.02 | vn | simonrvn: ok, just did it and it says OK for everything except some from mediawiki are saying that the type can't be checked |
| 02:52.10 | samplr | I can't umount an nfs mount (device is busy). fuser -m /mnt/nfs_mount lists a lot of processes, including 1. umount -f also says the device is busy. What am I missing? |
| 02:52.17 | Ben_Pang | pf(4) table support will not be included. and Check library not found. Unit tests will not be built or run. |
| 02:52.38 | simonrvn | vn: mediawiki is probably using InnoDB, they enable that |
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| 02:52.43 | vn | k |
| 02:52.53 | simonrvn | Ben_Pang: don't worry about that unless you want to run the unit tests |
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| 02:53.22 | smacnay | I have a simple single computer with a few accounts and the default Gnome install (Deb testing). I want a to allow users to "switch" and have access to sound. Seems that I can access the sound card but other users cannot when I allow them to switch to their login. |
| 02:53.26 | simonrvn | samplr: stop making those procs using it? |
| 02:53.28 | smacnay | makes no sense today. |
| 02:53.43 | smacnay | The other users have been added to group audio. |
| 02:53.56 | Ben_Pang | simonrvn,that's OK,thanks~ |
| 02:53.57 | smacnay | Does each user need to run some sort of alsaconfig? |
| 02:54.06 | vn | is there some kind of benchmark I can run for mysql? |
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| 02:54.25 | samplr | simonrvn: why are all these processes using it? it isn't a root fs |
| 02:54.39 | simonrvn | samplr: ask your system, not me |
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| 02:54.58 | samplr | simonrvn: when I run lsof, it just sits there |
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| 02:55.16 | simonrvn | nfsd went away? |
| 02:55.27 | samplr | simonrvn: the server did die, yes |
| 02:55.42 | samplr | simonrvn: or on the client side? |
| 02:55.59 | simonrvn | so bring it up, and let them catch up, or let it timeout. hopefully you set a reaonable timeout ;). |
| 02:56.18 | simonrvn | server side yes |
| 02:56.48 | samplr | simonrvn: there isn't an nfsd on the client, but I restarted nfs-common |
| 02:57.02 | samplr | simonrvn: I brought it back up on the other system, but it was down for a while |
| 02:57.06 | simonrvn | i didn't say client, did i? ;) |
| 02:57.21 | samplr | true |
| 02:57.38 | samplr | huh... |
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| 02:57.42 | samplr | it's umounted, now |
| 02:57.56 | samplr | and lsof works, again |
| 02:57.57 | simonrvn | timed out finally, probably |
| 02:58.18 | samplr | simonrvn: either that or restarting nfs-common made it happy |
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| 02:58.32 | samplr | simonrvn: OR it connected to the server, again |
| 02:58.34 | simonrvn | that could be too |
| 02:58.39 | samplr | anyway |
| 02:58.41 | samplr | simonrvn: thanks |
| 02:58.47 | simonrvn | anyway, \o/ |
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| 02:59.06 | huwenfeng | xfs_check -v /dev/sdb1 |
| 02:59.07 | huwenfeng | xfs_check: /dev/sdb1 contains a mounted and writable filesystem |
| 02:59.07 | huwenfeng | fatal error -- couldn't initialize XFS library |
| 02:59.34 | huwenfeng | i have umounted this filesystem, but it still gives me this error message? what's wrong? |
| 02:59.51 | simonrvn | cat /proc/mounts agrees? |
| 03:00.07 | simonrvn | i.e. it also says nothing about it |
| 03:00.19 | simonrvn | xfs is a PITA like that... |
| 03:00.31 | huwenfeng | yes, there's not sdb1 in /proc/mounts |
| 03:00.43 | vn | simonrvn: I'm now getting this : http://paste.debian.net/25857/ does it give more cleus? |
| 03:00.45 | simonrvn | dmesg says so too? |
| 03:00.46 | vn | clues* |
| 03:00.47 | huwenfeng | only /dev/sda* |
| 03:01.25 | huwenfeng | yes, dmesg just said : Corruption of in-memory data detected. |
| 03:01.36 | simonrvn | vn: ok, looks like it's "confused". make sure it's completely stopped, then start it |
| 03:01.39 | huwenfeng | then , it shutdown the filesystem, and ask me to umount it |
| 03:01.58 | huwenfeng | i umount it , and run xfs_check. |
| 03:02.23 | vn | simonrvn: well I did by killing it if that counts...changes nothing |
| 03:02.32 | simonrvn | ok. wait a coupla moments, and if it still does, just run it with -f. you might need to replay the journal too, via a mount then umount, first. |
| 03:02.40 | simonrvn | huwenfeng: ^^^ |
| 03:03.00 | simonrvn | vn: better to do it via the script dude |
| 03:03.15 | huwenfeng | dude? |
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| 03:03.24 | simonrvn | !dude |
| 03:03.24 | dpkg | like, y'knoow. |
| 03:03.53 | simonrvn | it's a slang term |
| 03:04.01 | huwenfeng | sdb is a disk array. i love disk arrays |
| 03:04.10 | Gun_Smoke | whats wrong with dude? |
| 03:04.22 | huwenfeng | it's big enough to store every data you have |
| 03:04.50 | simonrvn | eh, so, you didn't say that before. |
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| 03:06.00 | vn | simonrvn: thats what I'm trying to do, with /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 03:06.10 | vn | or, is there something else? |
| 03:06.12 | simonrvn | ok, cool |
| 03:06.18 | simonrvn | that's fine |
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| 03:07.02 | vn | well it doesnt want to stop so it isn't that much fine... ;) |
| 03:07.02 | simonrvn | vn: debian's also logs to syslog, as you saw from you my.cnf, go take a look at it |
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| 03:07.02 | simonrvn | your* |
| 03:07.02 | vn | k |
| 03:07.07 | simonrvn | often helpful to disagnose |
| 03:07.15 | simonrvn | diagnose even |
| 03:07.49 | simonrvn | vn: what's pidof mysqld say? |
| 03:08.03 | vn | 11792 |
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| 03:08.31 | vn | nothing in logs except the crash caused from my last kill -9 of it and the following startup |
| 03:08.53 | spsneo | hi all, I want to contribute to debian as Google SoC student. Any guidelines on that? |
| 03:09.06 | simonrvn | hrmf. it *is* still running. does it have the same pid if you try a 'restart' ? |
| 03:09.10 | abrotman | spsneo: when SoC starts up again .. Debian will make news/notes |
| 03:09.31 | vn | it can't restart |
| 03:09.31 | vn | heh |
| 03:09.40 | spsneo | abrotman: thanks. I wanted to participate a bit earlier, so that it gets easy later ! |
| 03:09.48 | abrotman | spsneo: http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2008 .. is from last year |
| 03:09.50 | simonrvn | *sigh* so kill it manually :/ |
| 03:09.53 | vn | ok |
| 03:10.06 | stew | spsneo: try http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/soc-coordination |
| 03:10.20 | spsneo | stew: thanks a lot ! |
| 03:10.22 | spsneo | :) |
| 03:11.15 | simonrvn | vn: try no -9 this time ;) |
| 03:11.18 | smacnay | When I drag and hold a window for more than a few seconds, my music (or a video) will stop until I release the mouse. Is there a way to stop this from happening? It doesn't happen when I am using compiz but does in metacity. |
| 03:11.33 | simonrvn | !kill -9 |
| 03:11.33 | dpkg | rips off -9's balls with a large trout |
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| 03:11.38 | simonrvn | !killall -9 |
| 03:11.42 | vn | simonrvn: PID is now 13355 and I got the same message : /usr/bin/mysqlcheck: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect |
| 03:11.43 | vn | ah |
| 03:11.48 | simonrvn | feck, where's that factoid |
| 03:11.59 | vn | how do u do that then, HUP? |
| 03:12.18 | simonrvn | default, no signal given, is TERM |
| 03:12.27 | vn | kill PID |
| 03:12.27 | vn | ok |
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| 03:12.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: SIGKILL ? |
| 03:12.40 | simonrvn | killall also |
| 03:12.44 | vn | doesn't kill |
| 03:12.47 | simonrvn | !sigkill |
| 03:12.47 | dpkg | sigkill are you sure you want to use kill -9? What's wrong with -15, -2 and -1? See http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#uuk9letter |
| 03:12.58 | vn | ok, I'll use -15 |
| 03:12.59 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 03:13.03 | vn | since its what the script uses |
| 03:13.52 | simonrvn | heh, that's funny, i try those in more or less that order :) |
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| 03:14.22 | vn | I'm getting that same error message about debian-sys-maint |
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| 03:14.59 | vn | still is slow from what I can see on my site, www.nostalgeek.net |
| 03:16.04 | enouf | simonrvn: -15 -2 -9 is htops default order or something :-P |
| 03:16.24 | enouf | ew -1? |
| 03:17.05 | enouf | likes -10 (?) for smacking dd for info from another shell :-) |
| 03:17.09 | simonrvn | i do -15 -2 -1 and if after that it's still running do i use -9, and go see what the problem is |
| 03:17.26 | simonrvn | -USR1 -USR2 |
| 03:17.38 | huwenfeng | yes, i restart my computer, and first, the "ls" is OK, but when i try to "rm -rf * in a sub-dir" , |
| 03:17.39 | enouf | ahh .. between -2 and -9 .. i'm too lazy and frustrated by then ;) |
| 03:17.51 | enouf | yes, SIGUSER |
| 03:17.53 | huwenfeng | it gives the same message again " Input/output error" |
| 03:17.56 | enouf | er |
| 03:18.24 | simonrvn | huwenfeng: try the fsck now |
| 03:18.25 | enouf | huwenfeng: local files? |
| 03:18.29 | enouf | oh, nm |
| 03:18.41 | simonrvn | make sure it's unmounted ;) |
| 03:18.45 | enouf | i see - i'm way behind - ignore me |
| 03:19.02 | huwenfeng | the system is in sda, and sdb is a disk array. |
| 03:19.08 | huwenfeng | enouf: yes. local disks |
| 03:19.13 | simonrvn | enouf: you're 10 minbehind, as usual :P :P |
| 03:19.17 | huwenfeng | ok, i will try fsck now |
| 03:19.31 | enouf | simonrvn: and this time - i'm way too lazy to catch up :-) |
| 03:19.54 | simonrvn | almost bed time for me |
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| 03:20.02 | enouf | too |
| 03:20.12 | enouf | tonight anyway |
| 03:20.29 | simonrvn | ~midnight these days |
| 03:21.51 | enouf | simonrvn: ~when i feel tired ;-) |
| 03:22.06 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 03:22.32 | enouf | regiments can be good for me, but over the long term they suck for me |
| 03:23.14 | enouf | simonrvn: want a possible laugh? http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc222/sarahj259/Funny%20Posters/paranoid.jpg |
| 03:23.55 | enouf | (it's slow in here, is only why i'd consider things like that) |
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| 03:26.29 | vn | simonrvn: my system is a p3 800 is it possible the performance changed greatly just because I added a new database? |
| 03:26.40 | simonrvn | enouf: heheh too true |
| 03:26.56 | simonrvn | vn: i don't see why that would be |
| 03:27.30 | WormFood | it depends on how much that new database is being used |
| 03:27.42 | WormFood | just adding it, and not using it should not affect anything in the line of performance |
| 03:27.51 | vn | just a basid wordpress setup |
| 03:27.55 | vn | basic* |
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| 03:29.44 | simonrvn | wp is pretty efficient, so prolly not |
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| 03:30.58 | vn | something I dont understand is why when I do a manual mysqlcheck it says its ok but when it does an auto mysqlcheck on mysql startup, it says theres something |
| 03:31.49 | simonrvn | do a full check and enable the repair |
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| 03:32.33 | simonrvn | vn: this is what i use mysqlcheck -A --auto-repair -e -p |
| 03:33.03 | vn | ok |
| 03:34.34 | bullgard4 | How can I grep through all man pages for a certain string without installing Apache? |
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| 03:35.08 | stew | bullgard4: zgrep pattern /usr/share/man/man*/*gz |
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| 03:35.38 | bullgard4 | stew: I will test that. Thank you. |
| 03:35.38 | simonrvn | afk |
| 03:35.49 | vn | DO I really need that package mysqladmin? |
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| 03:40.20 | enouf | stew: the wildcards, because zgrep doesn't accept the -R or rgrep option? |
| 03:40.27 | enouf | stew: but yes, i like it |
| 03:41.18 | enouf | bvalek2: also note; man -k, apropos, and atleast one other |
| 03:41.22 | enouf | er |
| 03:41.28 | enouf | bullgard4: also note; man -k, apropos, and atleast one other |
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| 03:43.27 | enouf | stew: how does one grep for 'origin', and not original or variants? .. and why do i always forget how? ;-) |
| 03:43.50 | enouf | without using grep -v? i'm pretty sure |
| 03:43.59 | abrotman | or append a space perhaps ? |
| 03:44.02 | \amethyst | enouf: -w |
| 03:44.34 | enouf | \amethyst: hrm ... abrotman huh? |
| 03:44.46 | stew | enouf: yes, zgrep doesn't accept -R or -r. |
| 03:44.54 | enouf | i was thinking a $ was needed |
| 03:45.00 | stew | enouf: i'd probably grep for \borigin\b |
| 03:45.05 | abrotman | enouf: -w is correct .. but you could grep 'origin ' |
| 03:45.07 | \amethyst | enouf: $ is end of line, not end of word |
| 03:45.28 | enouf | right - thanks all 3 of you guys |
| 03:45.33 | \amethyst | enouf: if you want to find only the entire line 'origin', either grep -x origin or grep '^origin$' |
| 03:45.37 | \amethyst | np |
| 03:46.13 | enouf | \amethyst: i've tried the '^$' combo but doesn't work for words, as you noted |
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| 03:46.35 | enouf | thanks |
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| 03:52.35 | vn | I'm having issues with my mysql, it is slow and pops an error message when it starts : error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' I don't know if it can be related? and it seems to think there are corrupted tables when a mysqlcheck says there are none, what to do? simonrvn helped me on this, no success so far |
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| 03:54.21 | abrotman | what did you do to your database? |
| 03:54.31 | VolVE | hey all, I guess I never needed to, but how do I see a user's group memberships via cli? |
| 03:54.41 | abrotman | VolVE: groups |
| 03:55.02 | abrotman | or id |
| 03:55.03 | VolVE | ha, brilliant :) |
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| 03:55.37 | vn | abrotman: nothing special and I don't know when this began |
| 03:55.53 | jmoncayo | hey guys, if i want to use an AP as a dhcp forwared, do i need to specify something in my debian dhcpd server configuration file? |
| 03:55.58 | cp1134_ | is there anything special you have to do to upgrade from 4.0r1 to 4.0r6 besides just: apt-getup update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:56.16 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:56.28 | simonrvn | other than be tracking security, no |
| 03:56.39 | \amethyst | reboot if you upgraded the kernel |
| 03:56.56 | simonrvn | hey \amethyst |
| 03:56.56 | cp1134_ | ok |
| 03:57.04 | cp1134_ | just wanted to make sure |
| 03:57.17 | \amethyst | simonrvn: hello |
| 03:57.36 | \amethyst | j=${i//abc/123} |
| 03:57.37 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:57.47 | cp1134_ | /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version just list 4.0 so I wasn't totally sure what release I was at |
| 03:57.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | he'll probably need to do a dist-upgrade .. i'm guessing some stuff iwll be held back |
| 03:58.53 | JyZyXEL | its so gay that you cannot tab files from /etc/sbin |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: don't use that word |
| 03:59.04 | abrotman | in that way |
| 03:59.13 | simonrvn | /etc/sbin ? |
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| 03:59.21 | simonrvn | mistake #2 |
| 03:59.26 | JyZyXEL | no i ment /usr/sbin |
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| 04:00.28 | vn | and uhm what could cause my ssh login to me slow? |
| 04:00.40 | vn | its as...uh uh...as slow as my mysql |
| 04:01.17 | simonrvn | deeper issues... |
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| 04:01.19 | metrix | ls |
| 04:01.27 | JyZyXEL | like what was the name of that apche2 module enabler |
| 04:01.32 | vn | such as? |
| 04:01.36 | JyZyXEL | something like ap2enmod |
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| 04:01.48 | vn | I remember, at some boot, it was fast, rebooted, was slower |
| 04:02.10 | vn | hmm, my dmesg is full of this : CIFS VFS: cifs_strtoUCS: char2uni returned -22 |
| 04:02.23 | enouf | stew: erm ... i did man ascii and did '\' then ' \b' (no single quotes) which highlighted all beginnings of lines it seems? then i tried '\b' (no leading space, no single quotes) and experienced really oddd behaviour |
| 04:02.23 | simonrvn | a2enmod |
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| 04:02.40 | simonrvn | vn: fix your samba? |
| 04:02.54 | vn | imma google that |
| 04:03.03 | enouf | stew: should i man console_codes? |
| 04:03.21 | metrix | I have lvm+debian on a hard drive that is about to go out. I want to copy everything to a new, bigger hard drive but am unsure what to do.. Do I just get a live CD with parted and copy the partitions from one drive to another? |
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| 04:04.56 | enouf | metrix: doesn't lvm snapshots help? |
| 04:05.14 | enouf | metrix: which Debian? |
| 04:05.17 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 04:05.26 | elik | enouf, still trying to see what JMicron controller could be used for... |
| 04:05.32 | metrix | the latest stable.. etch I think |
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| 04:05.41 | VolVE | abrotman: so inversly, how does one list the members of a group? |
| 04:06.14 | enouf | elik: for non-critical crap :-) a 2nd array, maybe just IDE/PATA support - who knows, look in your mobo PDF |
| 04:06.43 | elik | enouf, but in terms of performance... there is no difference? it requires other drivers to be installed... for fun |
| 04:06.49 | metrix | how would snapshots help? I mean the whole drive is going out.. I have /boot on there and everything.. can't I just use parted to copy partitions and all? I haven't tried it yet.. I was hoping to get a good opinion first |
| 04:06.51 | \amethyst | VolVE: that's a little more complicated |
| 04:07.04 | enouf | VolVE: members? 'getent group' perhaps |
| 04:07.10 | abrotman | VolVE: getent group audio .. for example |
| 04:07.17 | VolVE | intersting, thanks guys |
| 04:07.21 | \amethyst | that will tell you everyone who has it as a supplemental group |
| 04:07.36 | \amethyst | it won't tell you people who have it as their primary group |
| 04:07.38 | abrotman | ah .. yeah .. won't show as primary |
| 04:07.44 | enouf | metrix: there's an easy way - one that i can't say, cause i don't use LVM |
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| 04:08.25 | metrix | hrm.. ok |
| 04:08.32 | metrix | well I thank you for the help! |
| 04:08.59 | enouf | mhymn: generally, for data copy, i use rsync, but there's tar and gz, but lvm has a built-in way, IIRC |
| 04:09.11 | enouf | er metrix |
| 04:09.21 | VolVE | \amethyst: so, no solution to find primary? odd |
| 04:10.46 | \amethyst | VolVE: to find everyone in that group you'll have to do getent group to look up the supplemental members (column 4) and the ID (column 3); then use getent passwd | awk -F: "$4 == $groupid" |
| 04:11.15 | VolVE | fascinating! thank you \amethyst |
| 04:11.30 | enouf | \amethyst: root user being the exception? |
| 04:11.34 | JyZyXEL | what do you do if you clear your PATH variable |
| 04:11.37 | \amethyst | enouf: ? |
| 04:11.40 | enouf | clear? |
| 04:11.44 | enouf | echo PATH= |
| 04:11.45 | metrix | Thank you enouf |
| 04:12.05 | JyZyXEL | ionno i cleared it somehow |
| 04:12.13 | enouf | \amethyst: i notice when i run 'groups' as root == nothing |
| 04:12.28 | enouf | er export PATH= |
| 04:12.31 | enouf | i meant |
| 04:12.36 | enouf | close the shell |
| 04:12.43 | \amethyst | enouf: strange, what does getent passwd 0; getent group 0 say? |
| 04:12.44 | enouf | restart it; done |
| 04:12.57 | enouf | \amethyst: one sec .. sorry |
| 04:13.13 | elik | enouf, finally got *hem* that other os starting with ahci... god I love linux |
| 04:13.14 | enouf | \amethyst: root@sarge:~# groups |
| 04:13.14 | enouf | root |
| 04:13.29 | \amethyst | enouf: that's not nothing |
| 04:13.56 | \amethyst | enouf: that's the name of root's default group |
| 04:14.11 | elik | enouf, oh noes, I angered him :( |
| 04:14.14 | \amethyst | enouf: and root usually isn't a member of any supplemental groups because, why bother? |
| 04:14.36 | enouf | \amethyst: i know |
| 04:14.43 | enouf | \amethyst: that's not my point |
| 04:14.56 | enouf | \amethyst: root owns all groups as far as i'm concenred |
| 04:15.08 | \amethyst | maybe metaphorically |
| 04:15.17 | \amethyst | but in the model a user can't own a group |
| 04:15.25 | \amethyst | and root does not belong to any groups except root |
| 04:15.29 | enouf | \amethyst: your command makes the pipe to nc freak out http://rafb.net/p/4u5xO588.html |
| 04:15.47 | enouf | \amethyst: what? |
| 04:15.52 | enouf | wait |
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| 04:16.49 | enouf | soaB*** |
| 04:17.13 | enouf | stupid aliases as user don't work, scripts not avail as root, etc |
| 04:17.15 | huwenfeng | @ERROR: chdir failed |
| 04:17.15 | huwenfeng | rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [sender=2.6.9] |
| 04:17.22 | huwenfeng | rsync is wrong? |
| 04:17.31 | huwenfeng | what's wrong with it? |
| 04:17.45 | enouf | \amethyst: here http://rafb.net/p/1d4Ulg45.html |
| 04:17.50 | \amethyst | maybe you specified a directory that doesn't exist or that you don't have access to? |
| 04:18.19 | huwenfeng | ? oh, no, i am pretty sure, i have write access on the dest dir |
| 04:18.23 | enouf | metaphorically? i think not |
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| 04:19.32 | \amethyst | groups aren't owned in Unix, so root can't own groups. Root can effectively act as though it were a member of any group (or user for that matter), but if you ask the OS "is root a member of group plugdev?" it will say "no" |
| 04:19.39 | enouf | 2.6.9? i really hope that's not a kernel version :-P |
| 04:19.56 | enouf | \amethyst: owned == pwn3d |
| 04:20.15 | \amethyst | oh |
| 04:20.38 | enouf | \amethyst: but yet, root doesn't need to be in any 'plugdev' group, why? |
| 04:20.45 | enouf | s/yes/yet |
| 04:20.48 | \amethyst | yeah, modulo capabilities, and security contexts, and virtualization root pwns everything |
| 04:20.59 | enouf | right - my point - sorry |
| 04:21.19 | \amethyst | oh, and NFS |
| 04:21.22 | \amethyst | enouf: because any file owned by group "plugdev" can be accessed by root anyway, because root can access anything |
| 04:21.32 | enouf | right |
| 04:21.52 | enouf | and can access ANY group owned files |
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| 04:24.45 | enouf | dammit themill ! donde! :-O |
| 04:24.46 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/yFuiVr72.html |
| 04:24.47 | VolVE | ok, another stupid question if I'm in a dir that's 775 and I've added myself that that group, why might I still get Permission Denied? :/ |
| 04:25.06 | enouf | VolVE: what FStype? |
| 04:25.14 | VolVE | xfs |
| 04:25.19 | enouf | VolVE: oh, logout/login |
| 04:25.39 | enouf | or, try newgrp |
| 04:25.42 | VolVE | hmm |
| 04:25.50 | enouf | man newgrp |
| 04:25.54 | VolVE | reading |
| 04:26.20 | enouf | any mount quotas? r xattrib on the XFS mount? |
| 04:26.27 | enouf | s/r/or |
| 04:26.33 | VolVE | and for Samba to see the changes, do you think I would need to cycle smbd/nmbd ? |
| 04:26.43 | enouf | dunno, not me |
| 04:26.54 | enouf | makes sense it would though |
| 04:27.10 | enouf | it's a mount point after all |
| 04:27.19 | VolVE | xattrib? how would I check those? |
| 04:27.30 | enouf | that's a very generic term |
| 04:27.34 | enouf | man xfs |
| 04:27.58 | enouf | look a output of /proc/mounts and /etc/mtab |
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| 04:28.00 | enouf | and mount |
| 04:28.01 | VolVE | (rw,relatime) is all mount shows |
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| 04:28.33 | enouf | VolVE: i have no exp with xfs |
| 04:29.33 | VolVE | I'll cycle processes, login again, yadda yadda |
| 04:29.36 | VolVE | see what the hell happens :) |
| 04:29.44 | enouf | i like it |
| 04:30.18 | enouf | so long as there's no xattrib, acls, selinux, apparmor, etc incorp should be fine |
| 04:30.55 | VolVE | ok, a new login session is happy as a clam |
| 04:31.19 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:31.19 | VolVE | so I'll try to cycle samba |
| 04:31.32 | VolVE | if in doubt, cycle the fucker |
| 04:31.55 | enouf | VolVE: it's how windows wins :-P |
| 04:32.18 | VolVE | I felt /so/ dirty when I took a job at an enterprise financial software company |
| 04:32.19 | enouf | VolVE: "i hate to be homogenized" |
| 04:32.25 | VolVE | and their Windows server cycled daily at 3am |
| 04:32.37 | VolVE | I was like "but... but... the... argjh!!!!" |
| 04:32.39 | mbent_ | VolVE, my Web host calls it "Cycling the application cache pool" |
| 04:32.46 | VolVE | jesus |
| 04:32.48 | VolVE | douches |
| 04:32.51 | enouf | VolVE: if anyone can tell me which band generated that quote, i've got 1000 bucks :-P |
| 04:33.14 | VolVE | Y&T |
| 04:33.23 | enouf | !win! |
| 04:33.28 | enouf | VolVE: you ARE THE MAN!!! |
| 04:33.38 | enouf | dpkg: love VolVE |
| 04:33.38 | dpkg | makes love to VolVE, caressing VolVE's hair, whispering sweet nothings in VolVE's ear... |
| 04:33.57 | VolVE | and to think, I only came to to try and manage some groups, yippee |
| 04:33.58 | enouf | !gothsmite |
| 04:34.02 | enouf | !gothsmite VolVE |
| 04:34.02 | dpkg | puts on black lipstick and a corset and sings Joy Division songs in VolVE's ear, off key, while drinking red wine from a crystal goblet. |
| 04:34.29 | VolVE | oh god |
| 04:34.40 | VolVE | I'm never going to be able to look at my packages the same again |
| 04:34.42 | VolVE | *shudder* |
| 04:34.44 | enouf | hehe - you'l lget used to it - relax ;-) |
| 04:35.00 | VolVE | nooo, not again! *rocks* |
| 04:35.29 | enouf | ok, which album? :-P do you recall Earthshaker? |
| 04:35.56 | VolVE | my memory is a little hazy lately I'm afraid |
| 04:36.11 | enouf | goes to youB00b cause it's easier than firing up the Album |
| 04:36.11 | VolVE | Earthshaker was clearly their best |
| 04:36.40 | enouf | dude .. /join #debian-chat -- tell stoned, and #music perhaps |
| 04:37.01 | enouf | "Forever" |
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| 04:37.37 | enouf | smacks jelly-home with some Y&T hocus pocus |
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| 04:39.01 | enouf | notes Republica "ready to go" at the same time :-P |
| 04:39.53 | VolVE | that worked; a cycle a day keeps the crash fairy away |
| 04:39.56 | VolVE | silly samba |
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| 04:40.14 | VolVE | oh Republica |
| 04:40.26 | VolVE | how could you possibly /still/ be getting royalties from car commericals |
| 04:40.30 | VolVE | it's quite remarkable |
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| 04:42.17 | bullgard4 | stew: zgrep pattern /usr/share/man/man*/*gz works all right. Thank you very much for helping me. -- Why does it lead my processor to almost 100% and take several minutes to complete? |
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| 04:42.48 | bullgard4 | stew: s/lead/load |
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| 04:45.58 | enouf | VolVE: i think it was "lipstick and leather" where the quote came from (sadly) |
| 04:46.04 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QR4O0-G9HA |
| 04:46.13 | enouf | forever ;-) |
| 04:46.32 | enouf | i can't find the studio version on youB00b |
| 04:46.50 | VolVE | hmm, I shall have to dig it out |
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| 04:47.13 | enouf | me too |
| 04:49.40 | enouf | wow, he's really messing up that break riff |
| 04:50.29 | enouf | but .. pulls off the lead .. not too badly |
| 04:50.54 | unitypunk | hey.. |
| 04:51.06 | enouf | the tempo is too fast though .. as most older live performs |
| 04:51.06 | unitypunk | how would i download a file remotly.. via ssh |
| 04:52.42 | sajes | unitypunk: scp |
| 04:52.49 | enouf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/438 |
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| 04:52.59 | unitypunk | scp filelocation file destination? |
| 04:53.10 | somnambulant | unitypunk: you could use mc |
| 04:53.41 | unitypunk | mc wasnt found |
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| 04:54.26 | somnambulant | unitypunk: apt-get install mc |
| 04:56.02 | somnambulant | unitypunk: scp is pretty efficient though.. man scp |
| 04:56.07 | VolVE | thanks for your help enouf, I'll be back later :) |
| 04:56.18 | unitypunk | okay |
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| 04:58.23 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuLPm8Bi0cU |
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| 04:59.45 | Ace2016_- | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gUyMLyAMU |
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| 05:02.33 | chrisb | anonrsync or apt-mirror to build and maintain a local mirror? |
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| 05:05.08 | Ace2016_- | chrisb: the one with apt in the name is the one i would use |
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| 05:07.18 | chrisb | Ace2016_-: thanks |
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| 05:12.21 | GSaldana | how can i reenable my synaptics touchpad? I suspended my laptop and now it doesn't work |
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| 05:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends on what's wrong with it, I guess |
| 05:16.16 | GSaldana | well.. normally nothing, it just stops working when i come back from a suspend or hibernate |
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| 05:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | restart X probably :-/ |
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| 05:17.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if X has anything to say about it |
| 05:17.29 | GSaldana | yeah, that works, but then what's the point of suspending. I'd loose all my opened windows and unsaved work. Is there a workaround? |
| 05:17.38 | GSaldana | let me see |
| 05:17.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know... |
| 05:17.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the point is probably that it doesn't get re-initialized properly after hibernate |
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| 05:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, if you have laptop keys that switch the touchpad on/off, you might try that... |
| 05:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's enough to get them back into a sane state |
| 05:18.37 | GSaldana | no i dont have that |
| 05:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !synaptics |
| 05:19.12 | dpkg | hmm... synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html Does not support X.org auto-configuration. |
| 05:19.12 | GSaldana | is there a way to reinitialize it manually on the terminal? i tried rmmod psmouse and modprobe psmouse and nothing happened |
| 05:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | try the modprobe part |
| 05:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh :) |
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| 05:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about switching to console and back |
| 05:20.09 | GSaldana | let me try switching.. |
| 05:20.16 | GSaldana | nope |
| 05:20.26 | GSaldana | tried modprobe and still nothing |
| 05:20.38 | GSaldana | usb mouse works though but not the touchpad |
| 05:20.46 | smacnay | Is there a bug with Compiz and switching users? Seems when user 1 has compiz running, a switch to user 2 works, but not back to user 1. Without compiz, switching back and forth works. |
| 05:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it get removed/loaded properly? |
| 05:21.21 | GSaldana | i dont see anything strange on the log file |
| 05:22.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | GSaldana, I dunno - if reloading the kernel module doesn't help, it's obviously X (or the synaptics module in X) that doesn't think the touchpad is in the state it's in (or something similar) |
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| 05:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no ways to unload X modules during runtime, so I see no immediate workaround for it |
| 05:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the BTS, though? |
| 05:22.43 | GSaldana | what's BTS? |
| 05:22.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew you'd say that :) |
| 05:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 05:22.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 05:23.18 | GSaldana | I'll take a look there |
| 05:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | (everyone responds it, but nobody of those guys here stop saying bts, so I decided I'll join the crowd :-P ) |
| 05:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you don't find anything, you should probably file a bugreport yourself |
| 05:24.03 | GSaldana | sure, i will |
| 05:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | question is if it should be against hibernate or against xorg |
| 05:24.11 | GSaldana | i think xorg |
| 05:24.17 | GSaldana | because restarting X fixes the problem |
| 05:24.32 | GSaldana | if it was hibernate, it should only get fixed by rebooting |
| 05:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might be that the state of it should be saved/restored and isn't |
| 05:24.42 | huwenfeng | can someone tell me the price of canon SX10 ? |
| 05:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, I'd have thought the first switch should make the problems :) but perhaps it's not so surprising |
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| 05:26.07 | GSaldana | wait a sec... i have a line on my log file that says: |
| 05:26.16 | GSaldana | (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics" |
| 05:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, 2nd user probably starts a 2nd X server... using opengl/dri whatever compiz uses is often problematic... |
| 05:26.46 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: no, that one works - it is the switch back that goes to a big white screen with a mouse pointer. |
| 05:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | huwenfeng, guess I could, but your google is as good as mine :) |
| 05:27.05 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: this is the Gnome desktop |
| 05:27.18 | jmoncayo | hi guys, i am having a little problem, i am trying to configure a debian server as router, so i control my inet connection.. Internal interface is eth0 with 10.0.0.1 ip address, external interface is eth1, right now it is forwarding but it wont resolv names, ping 207.158.1.150 works, but ping irc.freenode.net doesnt, what could i be missing? |
| 05:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the dns server |
| 05:27.42 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I think a second x-server starts because user 2 is usually on console F10 or F8. |
| 05:27.44 | jmoncayo | http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm thats the proxy settings i configures |
| 05:27.48 | jmoncayo | configured* |
| 05:28.17 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: dns is pointing to 10.0.0.1 |
| 05:28.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, you have to start a 2nd X server... 2 users cannot share one |
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| 05:28.24 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess I don't *need* compiz. |
| 05:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, then it's not forwarding things properly |
| 05:29.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, also look in the bug tracking system... |
| 05:29.18 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: what could be wrong with the ruleset in the example |
| 05:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, but lets say it like this: I wouldn't have predicted that problem had you asked me in a vague enough way, but I'm not surprised either :) |
| 05:30.10 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the "words of comfort" :) |
| 05:30.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, that's a 20 page howto! I'm not reading all that! |
| 05:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, sorry :) |
| 05:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, perhaps there's a solution in the bug reports |
| 05:31.14 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't see anything matching exactly. No big deal for now. I am off to bed. |
| 05:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | smacnay, there might be - you can now use opengl games within compiz, I think ... that wasn't possible |
| 05:31.23 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: the example is only 15 lines long please, only iptables commands |
| 05:31.52 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat: I have run BZFlag in compiz but it doesn't run as well as when run without compiz (makes sense). |
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| 05:32.46 | smacnay | is off to bed |
| 05:33.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, what IS 10.0.0.1 |
| 05:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Internal interface is eth0 with 10.0.0.1 ip address |
| 05:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said |
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| 05:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | of the router, right?: |
| 05:33.45 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 05:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so doesn't have anything gotta do with iptables |
| 05:34.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | you must run a dns server on the router for that |
| 05:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or at least not necessarily) |
| 05:34.36 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: so i better point the dns to my isp dns server? |
| 05:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you can install .... wossname bind9 on the router |
| 05:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which I've never used) |
| 05:35.39 | Tramp | jmoncayo: "Also make sure the DNS server setting points to your ISP's DNS server" <--- that's what the lengthy tutorial you pointed to states |
| 05:35.46 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: but the router resolv.conf shows 192.168.1.1 wich is the internal interface or my adsl modem |
| 05:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmoncayo, yes? |
| 05:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and? |
| 05:36.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | when you connect to your per ssh router, you can probably resolve names from there... |
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| 05:36.53 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i can resolv from there |
| 05:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, good catch... but then I *SAID* I'm not gonna read all this |
| 05:37.23 | Tramp | jmoncayo: then use this address. The modem then runs a proxy or forwards it. |
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| 05:37.38 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I didn't either. Just quickly searched for DNS |
| 05:37.39 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=samsijaUZqs |
| 05:37.41 | jmoncayo | Tramp: i changed to this address too and it doesnt work either |
| 05:38.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I figured - I searched for bind... and didn't think of DNS at the spur of a moment :) |
| 05:38.17 | enouf | wow, oftc got hammered, wtf? |
| 05:38.32 | Tramp | jmoncayo: so you can resolve from this Debian router but not from the client behind by setting the DNS server to 192.168.1.1? |
| 05:38.41 | jmoncayo | yes |
| 05:38.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, everything in this sentence of yours looks like an acronym... with the possible exception of hammered |
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| 05:39.34 | Tramp | jmoncayo: but you can ping 192.168.1.1 from a client? |
| 05:40.09 | Sal_ | anyone know of any live stream links? |
| 05:40.13 | Sal_ | trying to test a project i'm working on |
| 05:40.16 | Sal_ | can't seem to find any ;( |
| 05:40.28 | jmoncayo | Tramp: yes i can, hold on, i think i found what is wrong, lol |
| 05:40.46 | Tramp | lol always makes me shiver |
| 05:40.47 | Nwallins | what's a good way to determine available bandwidth (e.g. 40 MiB/s) between two hosts? thinking wifi here... |
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| 05:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, nobody knows of any live stream links |
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| 05:41.17 | jmoncayo | Tramp: =] |
| 05:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, not even the people using shoutcast |
| 05:41.30 | Sal_ | it needs to be video |
| 05:41.33 | jmoncayo | gotta restart irssi |
| 05:41.47 | Sal_ | already tested audio |
| 05:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | youtube? |
| 05:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | they all use flash... |
| 05:42.10 | Sal_ | non flash, sorry for not being more specific |
| 05:42.13 | Sal_ | yeah i know, that's the problem |
| 05:42.24 | Sal_ | whats that geeks name from CNN |
| 05:42.31 | Sal_ | that's constantly streaming his life |
| 05:42.34 | Sal_ | god i can't remember his name :l |
| 05:42.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !youtube script |
| 05:42.54 | dpkg | well, youtube script is see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script so you can instantly watch youtube videos using mplayer No need for big BLOATED browsers and their Plugins and Extensions.. Recently updated (August 09 2008 - thanks amphi) added versatility and improved functionality. An alternate is the 'youtube-dl' pkg |
| 05:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sal_, use the url that mplayer gets in there... |
| 05:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I guess) |
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| 05:43.41 | jmoncayo | it works now =] |
| 05:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, shiver me timbers?!... he's not tellin' us what's it is! |
| 05:43.46 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: erm, might want to check your botnet or something |
| 05:43.50 | Tramp | Nwallins: host1: netcat -l -p 9999 >/dev/null; host2: dd if=/dev/zero | netcat host1 9999. Let it run for a while, then Ctrl-C. The dd willl tell you, how much zeroes it could pump through |
| 05:43.55 | jmoncayo | but shouldnt it had worked with 10.0.0.1 too? |
| 05:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, why, did it attack you? |
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| 05:44.07 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: to be honest, I'm not sure I want to know |
| 05:44.15 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: are you really that devoid? |
| 05:44.18 | Tramp | jmoncayo: no |
| 05:44.21 | Nwallins | Tramp: nice, thx |
| 05:44.24 | jmoncayo | Tramp: why? |
| 05:44.36 | Sal_ | that's flash cutmeownthrouat :l |
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| 05:44.40 | Sal_ | throat* |
| 05:44.43 | Tramp | jmoncayo: I won't telly you, until you tell CutMeOwnThroat why it works now |
| 05:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, devoid of WHAT... speak sense! |
| 05:44.55 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: you're talikng to a musician, not a botnet worrywort |
| 05:44.55 | jmoncayo | Tramp: lol ok |
| 05:45.13 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: stop acting like a bozo please . thanks |
| 05:45.21 | jmoncayo | CutMeOwnThroat: i was changing the dns server in the access point, not in the dhcp server :D |
| 05:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I'm not, but you act like on a one or other type of dope... what you say doesn't make sense and there's no apparent connection to reality |
| 05:46.12 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: see. That's why I usually don't want to know. |
| 05:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see :) |
| 05:46.58 | Tramp | jmoncayo: it doesn't work with 10.0.0.1 because there is absolutely no reason, /why/ it should work - unless you come up with a suggestion to which I then can respond. |
| 05:47.15 | Tramp | and you may not like my response ..... |
| 05:47.30 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: "one or other type of dope"? are you feabily trying to insult me? |
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| 05:48.28 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll gacefully just place you into my "bozo box" .. no prob -- issue resolved |
| 05:48.37 | enouf | gracefully* |
| 05:48.40 | jmoncayo | Tramp: :S hahahaha |
| 05:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I never would... you seem to manage on your own, though |
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| 05:49.22 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: understanding seems to not be of your vernacular yet, of such a young age - it's ok |
| 05:49.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, if you think so |
| 05:49.58 | enouf | but for now, and for he betterment of the channel on the whole; [00:46:03] Ignoring CutMeOwnThroat!* ... what a relief! |
| 05:50.02 | dmoerner | why don't we keep it on topic in here (read: support requests, not character bashing) |
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| 05:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 05:50.20 | enouf | dmoerner: that's what bozo boxes are for ;-) |
| 05:50.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea... ask him what got into him... but seems as he's ignoring me he will probably stop the attacks every hour now |
| 05:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/every/any/ |
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| 05:54.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird guy, though... if anyone understood that, he can perhaps explain it to me in #debian-offtopic... I don't get it |
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| 06:03.16 | unitypunk | is there a no-ip client updater for nix? |
| 06:03.25 | Firefishe | I just did a dist-upgrade from etch/kde 3.5.5 to lenny/kde 3.5.10. I'm experiencing problems with the kde kicker panel. It doesn't allow me to move certain applets or lock/unlock the panels properly,. |
| 06:03.28 | unitypunk | or debian specificly |
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| 06:06.07 | dmoerner | unitypunk: ddclient might be able to do it |
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| 06:06.48 | unitypunk | googleing |
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| 06:15.09 | DawnLight | hello. i'm following instructions to setup wordpress in etch and i'm doing this http://pastebin.com/m7a2a6498 . i'm getting a Forbidden 403. why? |
| 06:15.26 | TouchDown | anyone can help me with kdesudo ? |
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| 06:15.53 | RedLance | I'm having some issues with setting up a VPN connection, using poptop and the MS client. First I had to remove the encryption on the client side, now it gives me a Error 691: The computer you have dialed in to has denied access because the username and/or password is invalid on the domain. and in the logs I see Jan 13 00:53:00 brazilfw daemon.err pppd[1930]: No CHAP secret found for authenticating XXXXX Any ideas? |
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| 06:16.00 | dmoerner | TouchDown: please be more specific |
| 06:16.26 | SnoFox | How can I force Debian to check the root filesystem partition on boot? It's like it has a bad writeoff or something and isn't being recongized by any other OS as an ext3 filesystem. |
| 06:16.30 | TouchDown | dmoerner: i want acess my ntfs partition without putting keyword in kdesudo at the first time |
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| 06:16.45 | dmoerner | SnoFox: touch /forcefsck |
| 06:16.52 | TouchDown | i realized that is only mounted this partition when i put the keyword. |
| 06:17.24 | TouchDown | i d like it be mounted automctly and not have to put any keyword, any ideas ? |
| 06:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, how about mounting it on boot? |
| 06:17.41 | TouchDown | i dont know much about linux |
| 06:17.50 | TouchDown | can u help me |
| 06:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, do you have/want read-write access to the ntfs partition? |
| 06:18.08 | TouchDown | rwe |
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| 06:18.31 | unitypunk | ntfs-3g was needed for me to use my ntfs drive |
| 06:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, look at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 06:19.13 | SnoFox | Mmkay. |
| 06:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | last line shows how to add it to /etc/fstab |
| 06:19.42 | TouchDown | ok CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:19.43 | SnoFox | dmoerner: After typing that as root, do I just restart? |
| 06:19.55 | SnoFox | I didn't get any return from the command. |
| 06:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 06:20.03 | dmoerner | SnoFox: yes |
| 06:20.07 | SnoFox | Okay. Thank you. |
| 06:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | gone for a reboot he might never return from :-P |
| 06:20.28 | dmoerner | alternatively, you could run shutdown -F |
| 06:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late! |
| 06:21.25 | Firefishe | What's the kde log viewer app? |
| 06:22.14 | enouf | what?? |
| 06:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | #debian-kde? |
| 06:22.26 | mhymn | apt-cache search kde log viewer |
| 06:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (no idea) |
| 06:22.44 | enouf | KsysCokeHead |
| 06:23.50 | enouf | snofox has been killed and offered to taxidermists .. ok |
| 06:24.41 | enouf | ah . dmoerner did mention the typical touch, good |
| 06:24.43 | Firefishe | ok, let me put this another way: How may I view log files in debian? |
| 06:24.57 | enouf | see /var/log/ |
| 06:25.07 | enouf | add your username to adm group |
| 06:25.16 | Firefishe | enouf: in a centralized, gui-type kind of manner? |
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| 06:25.24 | enouf | what? |
| 06:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler, eh, you're me! |
| 06:25.44 | Firefishe | Specifically, I need to view the startup files, as I had an error and need to review it. |
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| 06:26.06 | enouf | startup? see ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 06:26.22 | enouf | or any/all KsysCokeHead |
| 06:26.39 | RedLance | Is there a better channel that I could ask my VPN question in? |
| 06:26.47 | Firefishe | KsysCokeHead is the name of an actual kde process?? |
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| 06:26.55 | enouf | Firefishe: for X . see /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:27.03 | Firefishe | enouf: thanks..that'll do |
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| 06:27.09 | Dibbler | CutMeOwnThroat: Oi, you're an imposter!!!! |
| 06:27.23 | enouf | Firefishe: it's my way of saying some sicko/psycho K file |
| 06:27.41 | Firefishe | enouf: oh...kay |
| 06:27.42 | TouchDown | CutMeOwnThroat: isnt another way only using kdesudo ? |
| 06:27.45 | enouf | Firefishe: it's my way of saying some sicko/psycho K "cache" file |
| 06:27.56 | TouchDown | cuz when i put the keyword in kdesudo it mounts for me |
| 06:28.11 | TouchDown | but i d like that it d be mounted when i start the session |
| 06:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler, no, you are! Look at how splendid my sausages inna bun look compared to yours! (brushed them off extra this morning) |
| 06:28.46 | enouf | TouchDown: tried ~/.kde/Autostart ? |
| 06:28.52 | TouchDown | no |
| 06:28.54 | TouchDown | i ll try |
| 06:28.57 | enouf | or /etc/rc.local ? |
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| 06:29.28 | enouf | TouchDown: look at k control center > system admin > paths |
| 06:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, there is a way to run sudo as a user without having to enter a password... I just generally don't think it's a good idea... - what was wrong with using fstab? |
| 06:30.20 | Dibbler | CutMeOwnThroat: Oi, I've been selling those since 96, I'll have the guards on to you my son :) |
| 06:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | holds a sausage inna bun under Dibblers nose |
| 06:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Insolence, this sausage is from 1987 and still fresh - let the guards come! |
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| 06:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 06:31.46 | TouchDown | enouf: and after ? |
| 06:32.34 | TouchDown | CutMeOwnThroat: how may i proceed then ? |
| 06:32.42 | TouchDown | edit /etc/fstab ? |
| 06:32.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Touch what did you do up to now? |
| 06:32.49 | streuner | somebody using dyndns.org and has issues/problems now? |
| 06:33.11 | TouchDown | looked that tool u passed to me |
| 06:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean the webpage? |
| 06:33.44 | TouchDown | and tryed the commands enouf showed, but aint run |
| 06:33.44 | Dibbler | VIMES, VIMES, get Sgt Colon and the boys, there's work to do!! -) |
| 06:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler, perhaps we should take this to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 06:34.18 | Dibbler | lolol |
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| 06:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, you must exchange /dev/sda1 against whatever your windows partition is and, obviously /mnt/windows against wherever you want the drive to appear (has to be an existing directory) |
| 06:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, then you can try to mount the drive as root once, it should be mounted automatically from the next reboot on |
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| 06:37.45 | enouf | TouchDown: sorry, i hadn't yet scrollback to see your ntfs mount requirement .. i suppose /msg dpkg automount (and subsequent factoids might help) but ntfs-3g+fuse support are generally what windows users look for |
| 06:38.11 | TouchDown | ty for the tips. |
| 06:38.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | TouchDown, *sigh* for you info, he's ignoring me for unknown reasons, so he doesn't see what I tell you |
| 06:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | and imho giving worse advice a little later... oh well |
| 06:39.25 | TouchDown | lol |
| 06:40.09 | enouf | TouchDown: welcome - but IOW, mounting a HDD partitions/filesystems is/are usually handled trhough some automount DE item (involving hal, dbus, udev and with KDE, likely dcop) or some other /etc/fstab entry or pmount |
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| 06:41.05 | enouf | !automount |
| 06:41.06 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 06:41.24 | enouf | !kde automount |
| 06:41.24 | dpkg | To automatically mount optical disks and USB keys under KDE, install kdebase-kio-plugins and add the needed users to the plugdev group. You will have to log out and back in before it works. |
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| 06:41.48 | TouchDown | enouf: if i only edit the fstab is possible it run ? |
| 06:41.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | right now he hasn't understood (or of course I am wrong about it) that this is your permanent windows disk and there is no reason for automount |
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| 06:43.18 | enouf | TouchDown: i wish i could say yes, however, i came late, and dont know your specifics, nor do i know much about automounting |
| 06:43.29 | TouchDown | ok enouf |
| 06:43.31 | TouchDown | ty |
| 06:43.35 | TouchDown | ty CutMeOwnThroat too. |
| 06:43.36 | enouf | np |
| 06:43.37 | TouchDown | i have to go. |
| 06:43.39 | TouchDown | bye. |
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| 06:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if a program I want to compile wants me to set PYTHON_PREFIX, what would I set it to? |
| 06:47.06 | enouf | meh.. why-o-why do you weenies (themill and streuner to name a couple) actualy disconnect? |
| 06:47.26 | sparr | how can i tell which swap device is experiencing write errors based on... Jan 13 01:44:54 shaggy kernel: [434303.843486] Write-error on swap-device (254:0:1158952) |
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| 06:47.39 | enouf | haha |
| 06:48.52 | enouf | output of 'free -m' says? |
| 06:49.42 | dondelelcaro | sparr: I think that means the first swap device, but check /proc/swaps to see what it says |
| 06:50.06 | sparr | dondelelcaro: /proc/swaps tells me the same things as swapon -s |
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| 06:50.28 | enouf | why 1st dondelelcaro ? can you tell if it's a partition? or file? |
| 06:50.30 | dondelelcaro | sparr: yes; what's the content of them? |
| 06:50.33 | sparr | enouf: free -m doesnt tell me anything obviously relevant |
| 06:50.59 | enouf | sparr: i askede for output, nnot your assessment |
| 06:51.03 | sparr | dondelelcaro: three swap devices, two at priority 8 partially full, one at priority 4 empty. |
| 06:51.19 | sparr | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 06:51.20 | sparr | Mem: 2531 2444 87 0 8 242 |
| 06:51.20 | sparr | -/+ buffers/cache: 2193 338 |
| 06:51.21 | sparr | Swap: 10373 1155 9217 |
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| 06:51.26 | enouf | bye |
| 06:51.31 | sparr | yeah, i expected that, which is why i didnt paste it in the first place |
| 06:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | sparr, how about swapoff /dev/yourswap ; swapon /dev/yourswap for each of them... |
| 06:51.42 | enouf | ... |
| 06:51.49 | enouf | !paste |
| 06:51.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:51.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | try /msg dpkg pastebin :) |
| 06:51.54 | sparr | CutMeOwnThroat: am in the middle of doing that for the first one, taking a bit to swapoff it |
| 06:52.09 | dondelelcaro | sparr: the (::) thing is the minor and major inodes of the place at which it failed |
| 06:52.29 | sparr | dondelelcaro: good to know, but how do i map that to devices? |
| 06:52.52 | sparr | about halfway done with swapoff on the first device |
| 06:53.16 | sparr | producing plenty more swap write errors, so im guessing the second one is the problem |
| 06:53.17 | dondelelcaro | err, major and minor numbers of the block device which has the error, the third is the sector |
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| 06:53.45 | Ian_Daniher|XO | is there a way to set an environment variable(like $TERM) via a shell script? |
| 06:53.50 | enouf | swapoff -a ; mkswap /dev/nameX ; swapon |
| 06:53.53 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I thought 'export' did it |
| 06:54.05 | lazarus477 | Hello. I am tyring out the Lenny installer with Xen. I got lenny installed as domU. |
| 06:54.19 | lazarus477 | Problem. Where is the kernel I am suposed to boot up the domU with? |
| 06:54.21 | enouf | Ian_Daniher|XO: it does |
| 06:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, yes... mind that only children inherit it |
| 06:54.27 | sparr | enouf: im semi-afraid of what swapoff -a is going to do while im using the computer and have a lot of swap allocated |
| 06:54.29 | enouf | int the currecnt shell |
| 06:54.42 | sparr | maybe its time for a reboot |
| 06:54.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ian_Daniher|XO, if you need it in the parent shell, you have to run the file with ". yourfile" |
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| 06:55.07 | enouf | not my call sparr - you failed to pastebin |
| 06:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (. sources it in stead) |
| 06:55.26 | sparr | pastebin what? |
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| 06:55.33 | enouf | ... |
| 06:55.46 | enouf | !+paste sparr |
| 06:55.46 | dpkg | sparr: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 06:55.57 | sparr | oh, you're one of those |
| 06:56.18 | enouf | goes to sleep ... with babydoll ;-) |
| 06:56.30 | enouf | yes, one of those ;-) |
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| 07:06.30 | Firefishe | brb |
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| 07:12.08 | elenril | how do i find all files for example in /usr, that don't belong to any package? |
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| 07:19.15 | epsilon | dunno if theres any script for that... if not you have to generate a list of files from packages and compare with your /usr |
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| 07:20.26 | epsilon | so dpkg --get-selections '*' then dpkg -L <packages>, store file list and compare with /usr - kind like this |
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| 07:21.22 | arejay | where can i place my iptables shellscript so it will be automatically loaded at boot-time? |
| 07:21.26 | elenril | created something like this echo `dpkg-query -S '/usr*'|awk '{print $2}'` `find /usr`|uniq -u|less |
| 07:21.33 | unop | elenril, hmm. find /usr/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 dpkg -S >/dev/null # might do |
| 07:24.14 | epsilon | dpkg -S takes ages |
| 07:24.14 | dpkg | You Fool! takes ages is installed! |
| 07:24.33 | unop | :) |
| 07:26.26 | epsilon | hm, dpkg-query is nice, didnt know of that tool |
| 07:26.32 | unop | elenril, you're command seems to list files that are part of packages |
| 07:26.37 | \amethyst | elenril: maybe { dpkg-query -S '/usr*' | awk -F': ' '{print $2}'; find /usr; } | sort | uniq -u | less |
| 07:26.37 | unop | your* |
| 07:27.03 | elenril | unop, thanks, your way seems to work |
| 07:27.51 | \amethyst | unop: uniq -u lists lines that only occur once; the problem was that echo `foo` is joining everything together on one line; and that uniq requires its input to be sorted |
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| 07:28.38 | unop | \amethyst, yea. I had trouble reading into the backquotes there to figure out what was going on. |
| 07:28.41 | lazarus477 | Xen question. Where do I find the kernel for booting my lenny domU??? |
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| 07:29.04 | elenril | wow, over 18k files |
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| 07:29.16 | sxp | hi |
| 07:29.34 | unop | \amethyst, your command still lists files that are part of packages for some reason |
| 07:29.37 | sxp | I want to have a terminal in the background |
| 07:29.52 | lazarus477 | Xen question. Where do I find the kernel for booting my lenny domU??? |
| 07:29.52 | sxp | how can i do this? |
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| 07:30.55 | Willmaster | hello ;) |
| 07:31.02 | \amethyst | sxp: what do you mean? |
| 07:31.33 | sxp | i want to empotrate a xterm in the Desktop |
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| 07:32.56 | sxp | i want closets xterm in the Desktop |
| 07:33.59 | sxp | how can embed a terminal on the desktop |
| 07:34.37 | Willmaster | anyone has an idea wha my Proftpd is so lame? download and Upload are ~60Kb/s ,im using etch , without Xserver :X , my Proftpd config is here: http://pastebin.com/d3b8c7210 , server is connected at an 100Mb Crossover wire at my Desktop PC , Download from internet is fullspeed (~6Mb/s) |
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| 07:40.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, I need a package for mysql embedded compiled with -fPIC. Is there one in any of the repos? |
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| 07:42.11 | hanibana | hi |
| 07:42.11 | hanibana | I have a Debian repository installed. |
| 07:42.19 | hanibana | and my clients can get packages |
| 07:42.26 | hanibana | with apt |
| 07:42.33 | hanibana | the only issue is warning about Untrusted packages... |
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| 07:42.40 | hanibana | I want to handle this on my repo too. |
| 07:42.47 | hanibana | as far as I know I's related to GPG key... |
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| 07:42.54 | hanibana | from what i start ? |
| 07:42.58 | \amethyst | hanibana: do you sign your packages? |
| 07:42.59 | hanibana | to generate Release.gpg or other stuff? |
| 07:43.19 | hanibana | amethyst: no |
| 07:43.31 | hanibana | how can i do that |
| 07:43.33 | hanibana | ? |
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| 07:44.51 | \amethyst | hanibana: err, sorry, you don't need to, just the Release file |
| 07:45.08 | \amethyst | hanibana: there's an "ARCHIVE CONFIGURATION" section in man apt-secure |
| 07:45.46 | Mac191 | hi how do i error check a hard drive? |
| 07:45.56 | hanibana | \amethyst: ok thanks, i 'll take a look |
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| 08:00.35 | lazarus477 | Help with Xen, please... |
| 08:00.58 | lazarus477 | Got a kernel question related to Xen... |
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| 08:01.27 | lazarus477 | *** Xen People! ***. Sorry. But is anyone here using Xen? |
| 08:01.49 | dondelelcaro | !anyone use |
| 08:01.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 08:02.26 | lazarus477 | Aha! That explains it. There is a secret underground conspirecy at work here... How sinister. |
| 08:02.47 | pengwyn | blame the reptilians |
| 08:02.59 | unitypunk | i started the underground conspireing. |
| 08:03.01 | lazarus477 | I thought we killed them all in V. |
| 08:03.18 | lazarus477 | I shal do a crack down on these antiXen conspiritors, haha. |
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| 08:07.35 | lazarus477 | Where the heck are the Lenny Xen kernels on the debian.org ftp site??? |
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| 08:07.43 | bolt-work | foo |
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| 08:14.31 | scientes | how do i figure what the culprit messing with my resolve.conf is? |
| 08:14.48 | scientes | *resolv.conf |
| 08:15.10 | \amethyst | scientes: do you have resolveconf installed? |
| 08:15.18 | scientes | no |
| 08:15.31 | \amethyst | a DHCP server? |
| 08:15.37 | scientes | yes |
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| 08:17.37 | \amethyst | scientes: dhclient updates resolv.conf with the information the DHCP server provides. I use in my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf: |
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| 08:17.53 | \amethyst | scientes: supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
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| 08:18.30 | \amethyst | scientes: you can also use append or prepend instead of supersede |
| 08:19.14 | WormFood | where do you find that "supersede" option? (in the docs) |
| 08:19.14 | liable | in quotes innit? |
| 08:19.20 | scientes | twas dhclient |
| 08:19.49 | scientes | well my isp has static dns server ips so i just took it out |
| 08:20.30 | \amethyst | scientes: took it out? |
| 08:20.38 | scientes | the domain-name-servers |
| 08:20.48 | scientes | so it doesnt ask for it |
| 08:20.59 | \amethyst | ah, that works too :) |
| 08:21.04 | CoolCold | hello |
| 08:21.09 | CoolCold | how this is possible http://paste.org.ru/?4a4n5f ? |
| 08:21.12 | arejay | I need some help, I have two network cards in my box, eth0 has a wan ip (215.100.100.1) and eth1 has a lan ip (10.194.240.161) how do i setup my box to use the default route of eth0 (wan) ? |
| 08:21.14 | scientes | geeze vnc is so slow |
| 08:21.26 | scientes | is there anyway to use X where the same app can exist on two displays? |
| 08:21.26 | CoolCold | the only idea i have is sparse files |
| 08:21.34 | scientes | and be able to detach a X app |
| 08:21.44 | scientes | X is just so much faster |
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| 08:23.38 | arejay | anyone :( |
| 08:23.56 | WormFood | arejay, did you try route? |
| 08:24.12 | WormFood | route add -net 0/0 gw 215.100.100.1 |
| 08:25.16 | pengwyn | gw == gateway (if your wondering) |
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| 08:25.35 | scientes | how is what possible CoolCold? |
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| 08:26.09 | arejay | woodlawn: yes, no go. |
| 08:26.27 | arejay | WormFood: should i try using metric in interfaces? |
| 08:26.50 | WormFood | shouldn't need to |
| 08:26.56 | scientes | you need the gateway |
| 08:27.08 | scientes | is it ppp? |
| 08:27.13 | WormFood | what does "route -n" report? (don't paste it here, use pastebin) |
| 08:27.14 | jelly-home | arejay: is there a current default route set up? Did you mistakenly add a "gateway" line to eth1 config in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:27.30 | scientes | you the the other side of the poit to point look aat ifconfig |
| 08:27.32 | scientes | it will tell you |
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| 08:27.48 | arejay | jelly: ah, i did. |
| 08:27.50 | scientes | and then do route add gw blah |
| 08:28.07 | scientes | also look at route -n and route |
| 08:28.12 | \amethyst | CoolCold: yes, that sounds like a sparse file |
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| 08:28.20 | jelly-home | arejay: that's what sets up a default route; in general you'd only want one of those |
| 08:29.01 | arejay | jelly-home: doh, i added a default route for each one of those eth1 and eth2, let me try with just one route :) |
| 08:29.02 | scientes | jelly-home, you only want one gateway period |
| 08:29.02 | arejay | thank's alot for the pointer :) |
| 08:29.09 | scientes | otherwise its static routes |
| 08:29.11 | \amethyst | CoolCold: and it would make sense for a core file to be sparse, if the process had many zero pages mapped |
| 08:29.12 | arejay | err one gateway |
| 08:29.14 | jelly-home | scientes: I don't! |
| 08:29.25 | arejay | its working now, thanks guys |
| 08:29.27 | arejay | :) |
| 08:29.36 | jelly-home | cheers |
| 08:29.38 | scientes | :) |
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| 08:32.31 | CoolCold | \amethyst: is there way to get sure? |
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| 08:32.56 | \amethyst | CoolCold: the fact that the number of blocks times 512 doesn't give the file size is proof that it is sparse :) |
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| 08:33.44 | CoolCold | i see |
| 08:34.05 | CoolCold | but is there any tool like "file" to printout - sparse file? |
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| 08:43.16 | \amethyst | CoolCold: no, but you can make one easily enough |
| 08:44.12 | \amethyst | CoolCold: is_sparse() { local f; for f in "$@"; do [[ -f "$f" ]] && (( $(stat -c '%b*%B < %s' "$f") )) && printf "%s is sparse\n" "$f"; done; } |
| 08:46.21 | \amethyst | CoolCold: that uses [[ -f ]] because the sizes and block counts of directories and symlinks don't always work out as one might expect (and it's very fs-dependent) |
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| 08:55.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I just installed Amarok from Experimental (wanted the latest version), which, while it works fine, is marked as a broken package because of the following: amarok depends on kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.4); however: Version of kdebase-runtime on system is 4:4.1.3-1. amarok depends on kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.4); however:Version of kdelibs5 on system is 4:4.1.3-2. |
| 08:56.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | If I try to update those packages, it immediately wants to remove almost all my KDE packages |
| 08:56.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me how to update them without sacrificing half of the system? |
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| 08:57.16 | epsilon | well you broke the dependency... |
| 08:57.33 | unitypunk | yeah |
| 08:57.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah. Still works, though. It's only a minor version difference |
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| 08:58.00 | unitypunk | does amarok run on gnome? |
| 08:58.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | But how do I bring the version up without removing half of KDE? |
| 08:58.20 | bbinotto | hi, is there a file that logs the changes of /etc/shadow? |
| 08:58.39 | epsilon | live with hacking around the packages, install from source (without building package) or setup testing/unstable environment - as a separate PC, Virual or debootstrap |
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| 08:59.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | epsilon: None of the options seem pleasent. |
| 09:00.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried compiling it, but it's a nightmare to get mysqle to work. |
| 09:00.11 | pengwyn | hell, why not replace kde? |
| 09:00.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | because no other DE is as good as it? |
| 09:00.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or do you mean reinstall? |
| 09:00.48 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: hey, it's a package from experimental. Don't expect anything. |
| 09:00.59 | pengwyn | yeah let it uninstall and re-install the latest. Or whatever verision. Check your DVD's for the version... |
| 09:01.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: I'd just like to have it not marked as broken, that's all. |
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| 09:01.24 | pengwyn | or if it's a net install, upgrade |
| 09:01.25 | epsilon | then create your own backport |
| 09:01.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | pengwyn: KDE4 doesn't come from any existing debian stable release |
| 09:01.45 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: what you could do is mess with your /var/lib/dpkg/status, lower the dependency to match, and run dpkg --configure -a to complete the installation |
| 09:02.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm, will that screw anything up, jelly-home? |
| 09:02.18 | pengwyn | another way is grab the .deb and extract it with mc |
| 09:02.25 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: if you're not careful, yes |
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| 09:03.28 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: like pengwyn says, you could also unpack the .deb file. But then edit its control file to fix the dependency, pack it again and install that one |
| 09:04.08 | pengwyn | or just extract it and view in hex and go from there. |
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| 09:04.21 | pengwyn | find out what it's looking for. |
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| 09:04.38 | pengwyn | personally I would update the kde to what it wants |
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| 09:05.01 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: dpkg --extract foo.deb foo && dpkg --control foo.deb foo/DEBIAN; edit foo/DEBIAN/control; dpkg -b foo . |
| 09:05.18 | pif | dudes, you're way out, simply rebuild the pack from source with different dependecies |
| 09:05.25 | jelly-home | pengwyn: there _is no_ KDE packages with those versions yet |
| 09:05.53 | jelly-home | pif: he already stated to have had problems with rebuilding |
| 09:06.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Just did dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:06.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Seems to have worked |
| 09:06.06 | pengwyn | hex edit the lib version? |
| 09:06.22 | pengwyn | nm |
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| 09:06.29 | jelly-home | pengwyn: hex editing text files is silly |
| 09:06.35 | pif | you don't "hex edit" free software |
| 09:06.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: It's no longer marked as broken, now that I've modified the status file |
| 09:06.43 | pengwyn | I'm talking about the binary |
| 09:06.50 | pengwyn | hex edit the binary |
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| 09:06.57 | jelly-home | pengwyn: the binary doesn't have issues |
| 09:07.04 | jelly-home | the packaging does |
| 09:07.10 | pengwyn | where it points to a lib. either symlink or change the version |
| 09:07.58 | pengwyn | I get past the packaging with mc extract to dir |
| 09:08.13 | pengwyn | then run the binary. if it screws up. I go from there, |
| 09:08.27 | pengwyn | I look into the binary, for what LIB it wants |
| 09:08.31 | pengwyn | what path. etc. |
| 09:08.43 | jelly-home | pengwyn: that wasn't the issue here, as the app worked |
| 09:08.49 | pengwyn | but yeah compiling it would be better. |
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| 09:09.09 | pengwyn | thought he said the app don't work |
| 09:09.14 | pengwyn | amarok |
| 09:09.16 | jelly-home | thought wrong |
| 09:09.21 | pengwyn | nm |
| 09:09.29 | pengwyn | st00pid |
| 09:09.59 | jelly-home | s/st00pid/doesn't read/ is more likely |
| 09:10.27 | pengwyn | I'd just like to have it not marked as broken, that's all. <--- I see now.. |
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| 09:11.03 | jelly-home | <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello. I just installed Amarok from Experimental (wanted the latest version), which, while it works fine, is marked as a broken package [...] (emph. mine) |
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| 09:12.13 | pengwyn | one other possibility in that case is to change the location of your "special" binary by copying. then uninstall it. |
| 09:13.17 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: don't do it any day though, /v/l/d/status is _the_ package state database |
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| 09:15.17 | monzie | Hello everyone |
| 09:15.24 | monzie | I am on Debian Lenny, x86, |
| 09:15.39 | monzie | I have a Intel X3100 integrated graphics card on my laptop |
| 09:15.50 | pengwyn | I have a lot of binaries that have "new names" and "new paths" when I get into that. Were not talking resource editing WMP11's media guide and other annoyances out. But on the other hand if you have to have the bleeding edge sometimes you have to hell of do what ever it takes. |
| 09:15.51 | monzie | I want to connect and external monitor to , how do i do it? |
| 09:16.38 | pengwyn | in that respect, my advise was meant more as a guideline. |
| 09:16.59 | pengwyn | doing it right is the best way. |
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| 09:17.27 | jelly-home | installing experimental is already far from best |
| 09:17.33 | pif | pengwyn: please refrain, you're obviouly new to unix |
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| 09:18.51 | pengwyn | my last experience in complete hair ripping was the bleeding edge cinelerra |
| 09:19.18 | jelly-home | even if he was old to unix, messing with dpkg isn't a unix experience |
| 09:19.48 | pengwyn | that's why I avoided dpkg with new filenames and paths. |
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| 09:19.57 | pengwyn | uninstall the broken |
| 09:20.20 | pengwyn | but nevermind. we will agree to disagree. |
| 09:20.56 | Uranellus | hello, how can i create a list of packages installed on a debian system .. and then make another system have exactly the same packages/versions installed, and remove everything else? |
| 09:21.22 | pengwyn | that's easy |
| 09:21.25 | jelly-home | !+tell Uranellus -about aptitude clone |
| 09:21.25 | dpkg | told Uranellus about aptitude clone. |
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| 09:22.10 | jelly-home | Uranellus: oh, are you starting from a present installation with extra packages at the destination? |
| 09:23.00 | jelly-home | I think aptitude clone factoid doesn't handle that situation, sorry |
| 09:23.02 | Uranellus | jelly-home: yeah I have a "good" running system .. and others which have in most cases installed too many packages .. therefore I'd like to remove the overhead |
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| 09:23.40 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.44 | jelly-home | Uranellus: debfoster would help if you were looking for a manual way; |
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| 09:24.39 | Uranellus | jelly-home: looks more like it :) thanks! |
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| 09:29.28 | pengwyn | current_selections.txt ;o) |
| 09:29.40 | pengwyn | (cough) |
| 09:30.23 | pengwyn | what's the unix way? |
| 09:31.10 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.20 | pengwyn | tell me |
| 09:31.43 | pengwyn | I've heard this argument once, but forgot. |
| 09:32.16 | pengwyn | i only have like two neurons left |
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| 09:34.31 | pengwyn | http://prasad.medhas.org/files/2006/03/unix-way.pdf HAHAHAH ls grep bash firefox mutt emacs |
| 09:35.02 | elik | ??? what are you looking for exactly? |
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| 09:35.36 | pengwyn | talking to me elik? |
| 09:35.52 | elik | indeed |
| 09:36.10 | elik | I like talking to myself too once in a while, but that usually goes like this |
| 09:36.13 | elik | elik, Hello |
| 09:36.16 | elik | elik, Hey |
| 09:36.19 | elik | elik, how are you |
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| 09:36.27 | elik | elik, fine, and you |
| 09:36.34 | elik | elik, great too |
| 09:36.40 | elik | elik, so, how's the weather |
| 09:36.42 | elik | ;) |
| 09:36.44 | pengwyn | the unix way that was mentioned above in argument with dpkg, aptitude, synaptic, midnight commander etc. |
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| 09:37.05 | _ke | hello |
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| 09:37.25 | pengwyn | when I think unix I think bsd /ports |
| 09:38.04 | pengwyn | but I am sure there is some argument behind the scene about dpkg vs.. something. |
| 09:38.34 | elik | hi _ke |
| 09:38.36 | pengwyn | that's supposed to be the "unix way" vs "the debian way" vs "whatever way I can make it work" |
| 09:38.45 | _ke | for quite some time we have been using ftplicity/duplicity on our server, however each few months it fails to do incremental backups and just does full backups every day. i wasnt able to find the reason, however backing up to a new ftp directory solves the problem for a few months. however i wanted to know, if there is something more reliable out there which you guys use? |
| 09:39.13 | petemc | i use dirvish, very happy with it |
| 09:39.27 | elik | Isn't that something rsync is good at? |
| 09:39.46 | pengwyn | change the time the cron job fires off too!! |
| 09:39.57 | petemc | a lot of apps (like dirvish) are just wrappers for rsync |
| 09:40.01 | pengwyn | someone might be making it fail |
| 09:40.12 | elik | petemc, oh, I see |
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| 09:41.17 | pengwyn | time can be a weapon |
| 09:41.28 | _ke | sorry, i forgot to mention that we just have an ftp server we can use for backups, so i would guess i would need something which does not work with rsync? |
| 09:41.52 | pengwyn | change the ftp to sftp |
| 09:42.12 | pengwyn | close the ports not used |
| 09:42.43 | pengwyn | but if your going to have ftp open, change your crontab TIME |
| 09:43.20 | petemc | suggests ignoring pengwyn |
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| 09:43.40 | pengwyn | other than that I dunno, look in your logs on both servers. maybe someone hits your ftp at the cron time, maybe something hits your server that needs to be backed up at the cron time. |
| 09:43.46 | timebomb | is there a way i can set config files in a preseeded installation? |
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| 09:44.02 | timebomb | so that eg the host can work as wireless ap without me having to log on to it over wireless |
| 09:44.10 | pengwyn | petemc, I'll save you the hassle. |
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| 09:45.54 | timebomb | never mind found t |
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| 09:47.03 | _ke | petemc, does dirvish work over ftp? |
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| 09:47.51 | EE_BB | Hi all in order to install nagios on debian ethc which packages I have to install ? |
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| 09:51.38 | EE_BB | ? |
| 09:51.51 | naves | alguien que me pueda ayudar a actualizar el kernel de debian etch 2.6.18 a kernel 2.6.21 |
| 09:51.59 | mhymn | EE_BB: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:52.01 | mhymn | !en |
| 09:52.02 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your country code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
| 09:52.39 | naves | ok thank's i'm rooky here |
| 09:53.34 | EE_BB | mhymn: I did but have some packages have same description |
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| 09:54.43 | mhymn | EE_BB: and same name and same version? |
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| 09:58.02 | sepski | are there no ssl certificate providers that are included in all major browsers (ie not cacert) that does not feel like an extortion ? |
| 09:58.21 | sepski | what do you fellow debianists use ? |
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| 10:05.45 | CrypTom | Hi all, is there a problem with usermod or useradd when adding lots (~1000) users to one group? I've added hundreds of users to some groups (audio, etc.) without problems, but then suddenly useradd/usermod report that the specified group cannot be found (even if it is there). Changing the group with adduser user group works! |
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| 10:09.53 | Ricoshady | is there a decent cli graphical fdisk program |
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| 10:10.35 | DimmuR | i've found that something is listening on 0.0.0.0:110 how can i detect what it is? |
| 10:10.53 | amphi | Ricoshady: cfisk? |
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| 10:13.45 | Nexu | I am using Debian unstable on a webserver. php5-mysql is installed, and it works nicely within apache. using it in the cli, however, php does not seem to have mysql. What can I do to resolve this? |
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| 10:19.32 | Ricoshady | windows or linux |
| 10:19.39 | Ricoshady | which is beter |
| 10:20.08 | utrrrongeeb | Ricoshady: There's no definite answer |
| 10:20.16 | Eulex | !better |
| 10:20.16 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:20.20 | petemc | this channel is for debian support, not questions like that |
| 10:20.24 | Nexu | (ffi: I actually checked the /etc/php5/cli directory. mysql.ini is available in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d) |
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| 10:21.33 | tetraedr_ | hi |
| 10:22.10 | tetraedr_ | I've installed debian on my aspire one. but it has a lot of services that I don't need, and one of them is exim4. may I simply disable it? |
| 10:22.18 | tetraedr_ | or this will lead to some problems? |
| 10:22.19 | Eulex | !why mta |
| 10:22.31 | Eulex | !why an mta |
| 10:22.32 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of mysql). The mta does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
| 10:23.16 | tetraedr_ | thanks |
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| 10:24.02 | petemc | tetraedr_: yes, you can disable |
| 10:24.24 | petemc | but not remove it, without installing something else that provides mail-transport-agent |
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| 10:25.01 | Nexu | no ideas on my php-cli mysql problem? |
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| 10:29.22 | utrrrongeeb | I downloaded xserver-xorg-video-intel from the Debian website and installed it into my Etch system. It works with the 1680x1050 resolution of my new monitor, unlike the old i810 driver. However, it's broken 3D hardware-acceleration. Is this a simple incompatibility, a complex incompatibility, or a "wait-for-Lenny"? |
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| 10:31.07 | Eulex | utrrrongeeb, it may be that you need a newer kernel (or at least kernel modules for the kernel-part of the driver) |
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| 10:31.25 | ultrav1olet | reading any files from the disk consumes 100% of CPU time. What can I do about that? |
| 10:31.28 | aidan | How do I stop my terminal from wrapping long lines? e.g. if I'm at a prompt, $ fooooooo barrr ... if I keep going, it starts wrapping on the same line, and it gets all confused |
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| 10:31.39 | aidan | ultrav1olet: is your hard disk about to die? |
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| 10:31.56 | aidan | making funny sounds perhaps? |
| 10:31.57 | ultrav1olet | it's a new 1TB HDD |
| 10:32.03 | ultrav1olet | Seagate 7200.11 |
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| 10:32.10 | ultrav1olet | smart params are just fine |
| 10:32.11 | Eulex | aidan, terminals are supposed to be wrapping lines, as they have a fixed width and height. |
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| 10:32.27 | aidan | Eulex: but it wraps before it reaches the edge |
| 10:32.46 | aidan | how can I set what the wrap width is? |
| 10:32.48 | ultrav1olet | on another computer I can reach sustained 130MB/sec reading speed, |
| 10:33.07 | Eulex | aidan, ah. echo $COLUMNS |
| 10:33.28 | nanonyme | Could always use \ as an end-of-line separator and write on multiple lines. |
| 10:33.30 | Eulex | ultrav1olet, that's more related to the sata controller than the drive itself. |
| 10:33.40 | ultrav1olet | I'm running 2.6.26-1-686 kernel, 600MHz Celeron CPU and some unknown VIA chipset based motherboard |
| 10:33.48 | ultrav1olet | Eulex: a good point |
| 10:33.59 | aidan | $COLUMNS is correct - it changes as I make my terminal window bigger |
| 10:34.02 | utrrrongeeb | Eulex: I'm using 2.6.18-4-686. However, I think the problem is with Xorg [a version mismatch?]. The Xorg log says that loading module libGLcore.so failed (it can't find _glapi_Dispatch). |
| 10:34.05 | Eulex | ultrav1olet, and the kernel driver |
| 10:34.31 | aidan | nanonyme: it's just annoying when I'm in /foo/bar/very/long/path and it starts wrapping 5 chars in |
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| 10:34.44 | Eulex | utrrrongeeb, gl api mismatch between the intel driver and rest of mesa. |
| 10:35.08 | utrrrongeeb | Eulex: Might I be able to fix it by upgrading Mesa and xorg-core? |
| 10:35.27 | ultrav1olet | Eulex: this computer has a PCI SATA controller |
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| 10:36.08 | ultrav1olet | however readings from the internally attached HDD also cause 100% CPU usage |
| 10:36.30 | ultrav1olet | it seems like there's something wrong with the kernel |
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| 10:37.05 | _spm_Draget | When I try to delete a file I get the error 'Disk quota exeeded' |
| 10:37.08 | ultrav1olet | the server is otherwise idle |
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| 10:37.26 | _spm_Draget | rm -f file also does not help |
| 10:37.33 | ultrav1olet | _spm_Draget: umount partition; fsck.fs_type partition |
| 10:37.55 | _spm_Draget | argh, it is my root partition =/ |
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| 10:38.11 | ultrav1olet | reboot in a single mode, remount read only and fsck |
| 10:38.18 | ultrav1olet | then reboot again |
| 10:39.04 | ultrav1olet | still thinks linux is far from being user friendly after giving such cryptic instructions |
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| 10:39.37 | psychoslave | Hello |
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| 10:52.11 | Ozux | how can I create UFS on debian? I can't find ufs utils or mkfs.ufs in my apt repository |
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| 10:56.07 | amimusa | hello, i need help |
| 10:57.00 | amimusa | i am trying to set up my mail server with exim4, that is debian default |
| 10:57.17 | amimusa | i have a smarthost that acepts my server as host to relay its emails |
| 10:57.36 | Eulex | utrrrongeeb, no. the kernel drivers are not part of those. you could try an etchnhalf kernel. |
| 10:57.42 | amimusa | when i try to check it, no error received, but i see this in exim4 log |
| 10:57.50 | amimusa | http://pastebin.com/m50d7e847 |
| 10:57.58 | amimusa | where can i set the retry time, please ?¿ |
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| 10:58.35 | petemc | amimusa: you probably dont need to adjust the retry time, look for the real error that would appear before that log line |
| 10:58.36 | amimusa | exim version : 2009-01-13 13:11:27 exim 4.63 daemon started: pid=6481, -q30m, listening for SMTP on port 25 (IPv6 and IPv4) |
| 10:58.41 | amimusa | i will appreciate any help |
| 10:58.52 | petemc | amimusa: exim4 -Mvl 1LMi87-0001gt-Ml |
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| 11:00.18 | amimusa | petemc, thanks for your time |
| 11:00.24 | amimusa | i do thi and got : http://pastebin.com/m2bb28587 |
| 11:00.36 | utrrrongeeb | Eulex: Thanks! I'm not sure I'll keep using -video-intel, but thanks anyway! |
| 11:01.40 | petemc | amimusa: that doesnt help, try sending another mail and watch the log |
| 11:02.56 | amimusa | i just get : http://pastebin.com/m45d2bc17 |
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| 11:04.57 | petemc | amimusa: exim4 -qff , i need to see the log of an actual delivery attemp, dont bother posting any more retry time not reached log entries, they're useless |
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| 11:06.20 | moshii | Is it possible to check if a machine supports cpu scaling? |
| 11:07.48 | amimusa | connection refused, i am checking again my config. |
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| 11:09.24 | amimusa | since i see host as pi.nipl.net.net and it should be pi.nipl.net |
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| 11:11.38 | debian_noob | can any1 help me to instal compiz fusion on my debian |
| 11:11.53 | moshii | !anyone |
| 11:11.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 11:12.30 | debian_noob | someone please help!! |
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| 11:13.14 | moshii | debian_noob: You have to say whats wrong. (Apart from your apparent inability to ask proper questions) |
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| 11:13.43 | debian_noob | i installed it |
| 11:13.54 | amimusa | petemc, I got an email with relay access denied, so I guess I need to fix with my friend |
| 11:13.55 | debian_noob | when i run compiz --replace |
| 11:14.03 | moshii | !enter |
| 11:14.03 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:14.25 | debian_noob | it doesnt work |
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| 11:14.49 | moshii | debian_noob: that's very descriptive. I can see the issue you're having. |
| 11:15.05 | debian_noob | i will pastebin |
| 11:15.09 | debian_noob | waot a min |
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| 11:15.42 | moshii | let's hope the problem isn't written in the output from compiz, otherwise you would look silly. |
| 11:16.04 | bartden | hi, what program should i use to connect to the windows remote desktop? i'm not using kde so krdc isnt an option |
| 11:16.15 | moshii | bartden: rdesktop |
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| 11:16.49 | bartden | ok thx |
| 11:17.01 | moshii | bartden: the kde thing is just a frontend, there is a gnome frontend too I think.. but I find rdesktop works ok without anything like that. ;) |
| 11:17.30 | pirx_ | hi! when creating a debian package, do i have to put _all_ scripting in postinst/prerm, or how can i execute some external script (ie where do i put it)? |
| 11:18.13 | debian_noob | moshii:http://pastebin.com/m591eea5e |
| 11:18.18 | moshii | pirx_: you could call an external script from the internal scripts.. if it fits the packaging rules though is a different matter. |
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| 11:18.57 | debian_noob | moshii:saw it? |
| 11:19.01 | themill | debian_noob: did you look at the first line of that output? |
| 11:19.11 | debian_noob | yup |
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| 11:19.39 | debian_noob | xgl not present |
| 11:19.56 | moshii | themill: do you need Xgl? I thought that was an alt. xserver? |
| 11:20.13 | pirx_ | i have postinst in root/DEBIAN/ and use dpkg-deb --build to build the package. tried putting more scripts in root/DEBIAN/, but those could not be found when installing. and it seems wrong to put those install scripts in root/usr/bin/ |
| 11:20.24 | amimusa | petemc, thanks fot your time, i will see with my friend since I get relat access denied |
| 11:20.26 | themill | moshii: oh... maybe not. I don't do compiz at all. |
| 11:20.36 | debian_noob | moshii:wat 2 do now? |
| 11:20.39 | amimusa | have a good day |
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| 11:21.02 | moshii | themill: it looks like it's starting the window manager and giving up... probably the one there doesnt want to let go. |
| 11:21.11 | moshii | debian_noob: speak in english |
| 11:21.33 | debian_noob | moshii:ok |
| 11:22.12 | debian_noob | moshi:any idea about what to do? |
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| 11:22.46 | themill | debian_noob: is there any further output than that? does it just sit there at that point or does it return to the command prompt? |
| 11:22.57 | moshii | debian_noob: From memory; Compiz will setup the environment and then kill your existing window manager and replace it with on of it's decorators. You haven't told us what happens, and that log doesnt actually show anything failing. So... you need to actually describe what "doesnt work". |
| 11:23.04 | debian_noob | themill:ill pastebin |
| 11:23.53 | moshii | Doesn't gnome's window manager use compiz now? |
| 11:24.05 | debian_noob | themill:http://pastebin.com/m3e39ac5f |
| 11:24.11 | debian_noob | moshii:http://pastebin.com/m3e39ac5f |
| 11:24.49 | moshii | debian_noob: you should have pasted that to start with |
| 11:24.58 | debian_noob | it came later |
| 11:25.09 | eanda | Morning all. Running a Samba/LDAP PDC as created in the Debian Wiki. I have linux client login and it works, however users still have to enter passwords to enter network shares. Windows clients do not. amessage on the password entry box says need a password for guest@mydomain.com Can anyone help here? |
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| 11:25.28 | Fox_1_ | people now can I use microphone under lenny? |
| 11:25.31 | debian_noob | themill saw that? |
| 11:25.41 | themill | dpkg: tell debian_noob about patience |
| 11:25.59 | klmann | Fox_1_: i can use it. |
| 11:26.03 | debian_noob | sorry |
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| 11:26.25 | moshii | debian_noob: It's saying that it can't manage that screen. Looks like you're missing AIGLX or whatever compiz sits on these days |
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| 11:26.48 | ultrav1olet | how can I enable MPPE module in my debian? |
| 11:27.02 | themill | debian_noob: can you pastebin the output of: glxinfo |
| 11:27.03 | debian_noob | whats that? |
| 11:27.07 | debian_noob | oh |
| 11:27.09 | debian_noob | yeah |
| 11:27.13 | ultrav1olet | I cannot find any fresh enough tutorial |
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| 11:27.35 | moshii | ultrav1olet: thats for microsoft vpn's isn't it? IIRC you have to build it. But I'm not sure it's still supported up stream |
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| 11:27.55 | themill | ultrav1olet: it's in the stock debian kernels already. just "modprobe ppp_mppe" should be enough |
| 11:27.59 | ultrav1olet | It IS supported and included in the upstream |
| 11:28.13 | ultrav1olet | themill: thanks! |
| 11:28.14 | moshii | ultrav1olet: long time, no use ;) |
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| 11:28.26 | debian_noob | themill:http://pastebin.com/m1df90459 |
| 11:28.28 | themill | ultrav1olet: stick "ppp_mppe" in /etc/ modules to have it loaded by default |
| 11:28.31 | ultrav1olet | themill: great! it worked |
| 11:29.00 | moshii | thought the mppe module had free-ness issues |
| 11:29.39 | debian_noob | themill:i wont hrry you now |
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| 11:29.50 | themill | moshii: it's been in upstream kernels since some time during the etch release cycle. (sarge was a problem like that) |
| 11:30.18 | moshii | debian_noob: you don't have hardware rendering.. |
| 11:30.29 | moshii | debian_noob: you need to sort out your graphics setup |
| 11:30.33 | themill | ultrav1olet: no worries. There are tools like pptpconfig or networkmanager that can help you set up the vpn client -- /msg dpkg pptp |
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| 11:30.56 | gngkai | hi |
| 11:31.02 | debian_noob | moshii:how? |
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| 11:31.09 | moshii | debian_noob: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 11:31.25 | moshii | debian_noob: What hardware, what version of debian? |
| 11:31.44 | debian_noob | moshii:lenny |
| 11:31.50 | gngkai | using lenny I noticed logrotate rotates my log daily but I set weekly... |
| 11:32.16 | debian_noob | moshii:ill tell you the graphics card model no |
| 11:32.24 | moshii | debian_noob: What graphics hardware. The right line from lspci would be good |
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| 11:33.00 | themill | moshii: intel 82946GZ/GL |
| 11:33.01 | ultrav1olet | themill: it looks like debian's pppd doesn't know chap ms - how can that be? |
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| 11:33.21 | debian_noob | moshii:Intel Corporation 82946GZ/GL |
| 11:33.34 | moshii | themill: was that in the glxinfo output? ;) |
| 11:33.57 | themill | moshii: the compiz output had the pciid which I had already looked up... :) |
| 11:34.10 | moshii | wonders what generation that is.. |
| 11:34.30 | debian_noob | themill:it was present only in lspci |
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| 11:35.00 | themill | moshii: nfc. intel's number is getting more and more opaque to me |
| 11:35.01 | moshii | debian_noob: compiz give the hardware id in its output. |
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| 11:35.25 | moshii | themill: apparently it's "name" is the 946 |
| 11:35.39 | debian_noob | moshii:my graphics not supported? |
| 11:36.19 | moshii | debian_noob: it should be. It's newer than my 940, and mine should run compiz. |
| 11:36.38 | Tel`Arin | it's a common graphic card in workstation computers, I think that it supports AIGLX and works fine with compiz |
| 11:36.51 | debian_noob | moshii:then could you figure out the problem? |
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| 11:37.15 | moshii | debian_noob: I'm just checking if mine really works first |
| 11:37.17 | themill | debian_noob: could you pastebin the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log for us and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists. |
| 11:37.47 | moshii | has indirect rendering too |
| 11:37.55 | moshii | I wonder when that broke heh |
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| 11:39.40 | moshii | ah, large screen size == no hardware rendering doesn't it |
| 11:40.18 | debian_noob | ok |
| 11:40.23 | debian_noob | wait a bit |
| 11:40.52 | moshii | debian_noob: how big is your screen? iirc some of the intel chips can't do hardware rendering with screens wider than 2048 |
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| 11:41.19 | debian_noob | i think 15 inch |
| 11:42.00 | debian_noob | themill:http://pastebin.com/m57ba5ca6 is the xorg.conf |
| 11:42.01 | moshii | debian_noob: I meant resolution, but 15 inch shouldn't be that big. Paste your x log and config like themill said :) |
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| 11:42.44 | achilles | hello, I have installed my linux box as a router, my users complain that access servers behind the firewall is slow, how can I figure out what's going on ? |
| 11:43.29 | debian_noob | themill:http://pastebin.com/m667bed3e is xorg.0.log |
| 11:43.42 | debian_noob | moshii:you also see it |
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| 11:44.30 | Orion | hi there. i cant install debian 4 on HP dl360 g5 |
| 11:44.39 | Orion | the system installs ok but it cant boot |
| 11:44.58 | debian_noob | moshii:i use 1024x768 resolution |
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| 11:45.03 | Orion | seems more a problem with the RAID controller ( e200 ) or a grub problem. any help ? |
| 11:45.18 | Orion | the server says Trying to boot from c: |
| 11:45.25 | debian_noob | orion:you could install grub separately |
| 11:45.42 | Orion | after the OS installation ? |
| 11:45.52 | debian_noob | orion:yes |
| 11:45.54 | Orion | or u mean on a separate partition ? |
| 11:46.04 | themill | moshii: line 537 of that log |
| 11:46.05 | debian_noob | no |
| 11:46.18 | Tel`Arin | Orion, I've installed Debian in this model and works correctly, Do you install grub at MBR? |
| 11:46.18 | Orion | all my HDD leds stays ON after the installation |
| 11:46.23 | moshii | didnt know grub used dirve letters |
| 11:46.28 | debian_noob | orion:you have any live cd? |
| 11:46.29 | Orion | Tel`Arin : yes |
| 11:46.37 | Orion | debian_noob: no |
| 11:46.57 | debian_noob | orion:you could boot into one and run grub-install |
| 11:47.04 | Orion | ok |
| 11:47.17 | Orion | Tel`Arin : can u please advise me since you had installed them too ? |
| 11:47.20 | moshii | themill: Seems simple enough then, I wonder where that comes from though. |
| 11:47.28 | Orion | debian_noob : thanx |
| 11:47.35 | Orion | debian_noob : will try that |
| 11:47.35 | debian_noob | orion:try reinstalling debian |
| 11:47.46 | Orion | debian_noob : i tried but its the same |
| 11:47.50 | themill | debian_noob: can you pastebin the output of: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*mesa*' |
| 11:47.50 | debian_noob | orion:even i had a problem with grub |
| 11:48.06 | debian_noob | orion:it worked for me |
| 11:48.11 | Orion | after the reboot all HDD leds stays on |
| 11:48.12 | themill | moshii: it's in libgl1-mesa-dri but I'd like to know why that's not already installed. |
| 11:48.13 | debian_noob | themill:im doin it |
| 11:48.22 | Orion | debian_noob : the system re-installation worked ? |
| 11:48.32 | debian_noob | orion:yes |
| 11:48.41 | Orion | debian_noob : ok , let me try that |
| 11:48.47 | jabis | I had a similar problem with lenny, grub wrote mbr to wrong disk, so I hade to swap HD priority from bios and reinstall grub |
| 11:48.47 | Orion | debian_noob : will be back later |
| 11:48.54 | Tel`Arin | Orion, if installation media find SAS Controller fine system may recognize it too. Maybe it's a problem with grub installation. The last installation ... maybe a few months ago, I don't remember concrete date. |
| 11:49.02 | Orion | jaibs : in fact i noticed that |
| 11:49.35 | debian_noob | themill:http://pastebin.com/m72f26bf6 |
| 11:49.46 | Orion | jabis:i choosed to install to c0d1p1 and it tries to boot from c0d0p2 but even after the grub.conf changes it still doesnt boot |
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| 11:50.16 | debian_noob | themill:i have to go |
| 11:50.16 | Orion | Tel`Arin : did you used the SMP kernel ? |
| 11:50.30 | Orion | Tel`Arin : i have a Xeon 4-cores |
| 11:50.34 | debian_noob | themill:can you im me? |
| 11:50.46 | debian_noob | my id:kash_fun4u@yahoo.co.in |
| 11:50.59 | debian_noob | themill:talk to you later |
| 11:51.00 | Tel`Arin | Orion, nowdays all debian kernels are SMP kernels |
| 11:51.11 | debian_noob | themill:please email me |
| 11:51.18 | Orion | Tel`Arin : i mean on the grub.conf |
| 11:51.33 | themill | debian_noob: err... no. You'll get better support from #debian than just emailing me. |
| 11:51.49 | nanonyme | Tel`Arin: Meaning, if you don't have a multicore CPU, expect overhead for no benefits? :) |
| 11:51.57 | debian_noob | themill:but you had got so far |
| 11:52.19 | debian_noob | themill:ok im sure ill catch you later on #debian |
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| 11:52.25 | themill | debian_noob: try installing the libgl1-mesa-dri package and then restarting X. The output of glxinfo should then tell you that direct rendering is turned on |
| 11:52.32 | debian_noob | thmill:ok by |
| 11:55.34 | Tel`Arin | nanonyme, great comment :-) . Since HT instruccion have been included in processors you need SMP kernel to use them. In actual computers all of them need SMP kernels for use this funcionalities, in a old computers (if don't have multi-core o ht instruction) you must disable it. |
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| 11:57.09 | nanonyme | Tel`Arin: I think my motherboard is supposed to have hyperthreading support but the CPU is single core. |
| 11:57.26 | Tel`Arin | nanonyme, yeah, it's true ;-) |
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| 11:57.54 | nanonyme | Meaning, when I move to stock Debian kernels, I'll have to explicitly disable SMP? |
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| 11:58.36 | moshii | nanonyme: SMP kernel will disable smp on a box that doesnt support it |
| 11:58.44 | nanonyme | Ah. |
| 11:58.54 | nanonyme | Good good. Then it's just the kernel size increase. |
| 11:59.02 | moshii | nanonyme: I think the reason there where ump and smp kernel was because smp was bigger |
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| 11:59.23 | moshii | nanonyme: but there are a lot more smp-ish boxes out there now :) |
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| 12:00.09 | nanonyme | moshii: Says them who have their x86 kernel i386 for compatibility. ;) |
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| 12:01.36 | nanonyme | (Or was it just the userspace *shrug*) |
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| 12:01.49 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 12:02.16 | nanonyme | moshii: Though yeah, if you have to pick only one set of kernels, SMP on is the sane choice. |
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| 12:03.03 | Zmanu | i have a dell vostro 220 with a intel G45/G43 express as graphic card, i have put Driver "intel" in my xorg.conf, but i have errors, i just use vesa instead, is there a way to have intel driver with sid ? |
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| 12:05.28 | nanonyme | My best guess for errors would be that the intel drivers on sid would be too old. |
| 12:05.56 | Zmanu | nanonyme: too old on sid, so what can i do ? |
| 12:06.16 | Zmanu | nanonyme: experimental repository ? |
| 12:06.23 | nanonyme | Zmanu: Well, it's a sucky thing with graphics drivers atm. They develop really fast. |
| 12:06.49 | nanonyme | You could get the newest from git tree's, then compile them. Could check if those work better. |
| 12:07.19 | nanonyme | Just set the ModulePath in xorg.conf so you don't need to replace anything in your base installation but can set it up in /usr/local/ |
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| 12:08.04 | Zmanu | nanonyme: have you some docs on how i can do that ? |
| 12:08.53 | nanonyme | Google xorg git. There's a guide on building the whole stack but you likely just need xf86-video-intel and the DRM kernel modules. |
| 12:09.14 | nanonyme | (Hopefully) |
| 12:09.15 | Zmanu | ok, thanks |
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| 12:11.16 | petemc | Zmanu: you might want to also investigate other possibilities before steaming ahead with that idea... |
| 12:11.30 | petemc | like, looking at the errors in the log |
| 12:11.58 | Zmanu | petemc: ok |
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| 12:14.50 | nanonyme | Yeah, probably a better idea. |
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| 12:16.17 | Zmanu | less difficult :) |
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| 12:21.02 | zamba | i've configured an ldap database that i want to use for central authentication.. what do i need to do on the client side to finish these steps? |
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| 12:22.21 | Tel`Arin | zamba, configure ldap client on your systems and modify nsswitch.conf to use ldap database |
| 12:22.44 | zamba | Tel`Arin: so i need to install an ldap client? |
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| 12:23.35 | Tel`Arin | zamba, if you don't use any ldap client ... how can the system communicate with the database? |
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| 12:23.59 | zamba | ldap-auth-client is the package, i guess? |
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| 12:25.25 | Fox_1_ | is there any "Voice Recognition and Speech Recorded Wave Files To Text" tool for debian or linux? |
| 12:26.31 | Tel`Arin | zamba, libpam_ldap better |
| 12:26.57 | zamba | libpam-ldap was automatically installed when i chose ldap-auth-client |
| 12:27.01 | ultrav1olet | I have pppd script named "ABC". According to different sources ABC script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d should be run when I establish this connection, but that doesn't happen. What are other ways of running my scripts upon establishing pppd connection? |
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| 12:27.34 | Buck | when I set a user's shell to /usr/bin/ftp, it can't ftp in, but if I set it to /bin/bash it can - how can I set a user so that he/she can only log in via ftp and not shell? |
| 12:27.42 | ultrav1olet | I'be even straced pppd to no avail - it doesn't even try to open /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ABC file |
| 12:28.02 | Tel`Arin | zamba, then you've a ldap client installed :-). You only need configure it. |
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| 12:28.49 | Tel`Arin | Buck, configure a shell included in /etc/shells for this user (maybe /bin/false) |
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| 12:29.33 | Buck | that worked, thanks Tel`Arin! |
| 12:30.19 | ultrav1olet | problem solved |
| 12:30.28 | zamba | Tel`Arin: in the howto i'm reading it says passwd: files ldap, but my nsswitch.conf has passwd: compat |
| 12:30.48 | zamba | what's the difference between compat and files? |
| 12:30.56 | zamba | in the passwd/shadow/group context? |
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| 12:32.44 | Tel`Arin | zamba, compat allow NIS names, files don't allow it (I think) |
| 12:33.06 | zamba | Tel`Arin: ok.. so doing "compat ldap" will work in this example? |
| 12:33.12 | Tel`Arin | add ldap after "compat" and should work |
| 12:33.17 | Tel`Arin | yeah |
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| 12:34.10 | zamba | do i need to restart any services after editing that file? |
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| 12:34.53 | flower | I want to do my first bugreport using reportbug. It opens emacs automatically but I did not work with it before, just type message and save? |
| 12:35.18 | Tel`Arin | zamba, open a new session. |
| 12:35.37 | zamba | meaning, try logging in again? |
| 12:35.49 | Tel`Arin | you can read messages file if it doesn't work |
| 12:36.02 | Tel`Arin | zamba, yes, or open another session |
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| 12:42.02 | zamba | Tel`Arin: what is the NSS service compared to the pam service? |
| 12:42.09 | zamba | Tel`Arin: i thought "everything" used PAM these days? |
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| 12:44.53 | Tel`Arin | zamba, they are different systems. nsswitch are Name Service Switch, it works for passwd, group, hosts, ... databases. PAM is a set of modules to extend authentication methods. |
| 12:45.35 | zamba | Tel`Arin: so i basically need both? |
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| 12:45.57 | Tel`Arin | zamba, yes |
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| 12:55.20 | zamba | hm.. i need to find a debian specific howto for this.. the one i've got was for redhat |
| 12:55.26 | zamba | so the configuration is entirely different |
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| 12:57.47 | Tel`Arin | zamba, it's very similar in all Linux systems |
| 12:58.05 | Tel`Arin | search ldap samba howto in Google |
| 12:58.38 | Tel`Arin | and it's possible that a debian installation has been showed in results |
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| 13:01.18 | zamba | Tel`Arin: why samba? |
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| 13:03.13 | Tel`Arin | zamba, because it's so common install a samba server with a ldap database. Maybe this scenario is different to your, but the configuration it's very similar |
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| 13:16.50 | zamba | Tel`Arin: i see |
| 13:17.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | I love Debian man pages. have issue -> open page -> see answer without even scrolling. |
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| 13:18.47 | fluxdude | in sudoers is there a way of granting all commands except one or two (eg su, sh, bash)? |
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| 13:20.45 | orgthingy | hi, where do the downloaded DEBs go? |
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| 13:20.48 | orgthingy | forgot |
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| 13:21.06 | Tel`Arin | fluxdude, do you try with "!" char? |
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| 13:22.12 | Tel`Arin | orgthingy, /var/lib/apt/ |
| 13:22.34 | orgthingy | /var/cache/apt as well |
| 13:22.56 | Tel`Arin | orgthingy, thx for the correction ;) |
| 13:23.49 | orgthingy | :) |
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| 13:24.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | flower, set your default editor != emacs if your not familar with it. reportbug uses the $EDITOR variable to work out what to use |
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| 13:24.56 | jelly | fluxdude: that would make little sense; a clever user can eg. start vim and open a subshell from there |
| 13:25.47 | flower | Kamping_Kaiser: ok , I think i can handle emacs.... but another problem is the mailserver... at the end of the reportbug process the email is to be send.. but I doubt if that is going well on my system, how do I set up the mail sending system? |
| 13:26.27 | jelly | fluxdude: however, read man sudoers about usage of ! in Cmnd_List |
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| 13:35.52 | bas | i'm not sure if this is the right channel: i'm currently looking at the different options for easily running a local apt repo with a minimum number of (meta) packages. what tool is recommended? mini-dinstall? reprepro? .. |
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| 13:36.31 | liable | both are fairly easy to use |
| 13:36.43 | eanda | help. I have client login to samba/ldap pdc. home directory available. however when i go to a network share I still have to put in user password. any help here |
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| 13:38.48 | bas | liable: it's not like one of them is outdated in some way? |
| 13:38.55 | orgthingy | eanda : i thought you have to put in user pass? |
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| 13:39.20 | liable | bas: nope. |
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| 13:40.21 | eanda | <orgthingy> I thought that was the whole purpose of using ldap. once logged in one no longer has to enter passwords to access net resources. The windows clients in my network work fine |
| 13:40.51 | orgthingy | hmm |
| 13:40.54 | eanda | so it must be a problem in my samba config |
| 13:42.20 | Tel`Arin | eanda, use security = user, and Windows Single-Sign-On on shares should work |
| 13:42.26 | bas | liable: ok, thanks! |
| 13:42.44 | liable | bas: no worries |
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| 13:43.06 | jberg | is lenny stable now? |
| 13:43.13 | liable | bas: there is a wiki page for apt repo tools. if you google reprepro, you should find it |
| 13:43.50 | bas | liable: yeah, googled a bunch of stuff, but noticed that a lot of the 'advice' is a couple of years old |
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| 13:44.20 | liable | bas: yea, noticed that too actually |
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| 13:44.38 | eanda | <Tel 'Arin> no problem with security=user.....already set. what is the Windows Single Sign-On. Is that in smb.conf? |
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| 13:44.59 | pirx_ | has anyone used debconf and knows where to put the template file? |
| 13:45.46 | nsadmin | Joey Hess has |
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| 13:46.00 | Tel`Arin | eanda, no, Single-Sign-On it's a Windows client funcionality in MS-Domains |
| 13:46.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | flower, exim may have been installed by default. if it was, `sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config` will let you reconfigure it. or install something lightwieght like ssmtp |
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| 13:46.21 | mcbane | hi |
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| 13:46.46 | Tel`Arin | if machines can't use it or security configuration in Samba isn't right or username/password it's wrong |
| 13:46.55 | Polleke | I have several virtual host apache log files that I each want to logrotate, but also run awstats on them. I could make a logrotate entry for each virtual host, but then I would have to restart apache2 several times in a row. Any ideas how to handle this. |
| 13:47.20 | eanda | ok |
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| 13:48.52 | Polleke | Or can I be sure that if I put the restart of apache at the end of the logrotate.conf file it will always be executed last? |
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| 13:49.17 | nsadmin | why care about the order? |
| 13:49.23 | mcbane | how do I see which files are provided by a package that I installed via apt-get? |
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| 13:49.55 | nsadmin | mcbane dpkg --help |
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| 13:50.18 | Polleke | nsadmin, because then all my logs are rotated, but because I only want to restart apache once I need to be sure all logs have been rotated |
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| 13:50.26 | mcbane | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 13:51.20 | return13 | is someone here working with pear and QuickForm.php on debian? |
| 13:54.48 | datakid | hola! How can I tell which bootloader, grub or lilo, is going to be used on next reboot if both are installed? I just did a dist-upgrade from stable to unstable on a new server and got the liloconfig warnings, but when I did that it tried to install a bootloader into a disk that didn't exist (/dev/sda) and failed - there were no options available in the ncurses screen? Anyway, I thought that it was more difficult than my grub experiences and thought i w |
| 13:54.48 | datakid | ould install that instead (* the warning about not being able to reboot scared me). then I discovered that grub was already installed. |
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| 13:57.49 | stoned | good morning |
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| 13:58.20 | stoned | mcbane, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 13:58.34 | flower | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, and how do you configure ssmtp? |
| 13:58.38 | Tel`Arin | datakid, use grub-install to re-install grub, if you want it of course |
| 13:58.51 | stoned | datakid, whichever was last installed to the MBR |
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| 13:59.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | flower, it may have a debconf thing, or edit the config file in /etc/ssmtp.conf (cant remember off the top of my head) |
| 13:59.30 | stoned | bios passes control to MBR, whatever resides on it, gets loaded, grub or lilo |
| 13:59.43 | datakid | stoned, Tel`Arin lilo wanted to install itself to the MBR on /dev/sda which didn't exist....??? |
| 14:00.00 | datakid | but thanks, I will confirm that grub is default |
| 14:00.00 | datakid | :) |
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| 14:02.46 | scientes | how can you make filesystems with only one user so that they work on every computer? |
| 14:02.59 | scientes | always with the user that mounted them |
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| 14:06.25 | flower | Kamping_Kaiser: http://pastebin.com/m5d3eaa03 |
| 14:06.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | flower, sorry, i cant look. dont have access to a web browser atm |
| 14:07.12 | flower | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
| 14:07.27 | simonrvn | w3m |
| 14:07.38 | flower | someone else? it's about reportbug and if the email is send right: http://pastebin.com/m5d3eaa03 |
| 14:07.54 | cads | good morning all |
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| 14:08.03 | flower | I got: Original write failed, wrote bug report to /tmp/reportbug-ardour-i686-20090113-21647-fFTqoi |
| 14:08.25 | flower | that doesn't looks ok, right? |
| 14:08.42 | simonrvn | you can re-send it, look at its --help or man page |
| 14:08.51 | cads | i've got a question about kernel cheatcodes, and I was wodering if anyone here knows about them |
| 14:09.17 | simonrvn | you mean easter eggs, maybe? |
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| 14:09.54 | simonrvn | doubts you can play pac-man with the kernel.... |
| 14:09.58 | cads | in sidux and knoppix I think there is the option to tell the kernel " fromiso="" ", and then boot from an iso file which is located on disk |
| 14:10.17 | zzattack | when I try to connect to the ftp server on my box I get "error: cannot execute /usr/sbin/proftpd: No such file or directory" in /var/log/daemon.log, that's probably because I removed proftpd and installed pure-ftpd. connections now get closed immediately (its not a firewall issue). would anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:10.25 | zzattack | appearently proftpd is still hooked somewhere |
| 14:10.40 | cads | simonrvn, on the contrary, i think arch has a little space invaders thingy yu can play from the bootloader :D |
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| 14:10.56 | eanda | hey all I'm trying to find the log file of messages that scroll accross the screen when booting. this error is Udevd: something. what log file would that be in |
| 14:10.58 | simonrvn | zzattack: check inetd.conf perhaps |
| 14:11.16 | simonrvn | cads: that's the bootloader, not kernel |
| 14:11.50 | cads | hehe, I know :D |
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| 14:11.56 | simonrvn | eanda: check dmesg, /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:11.59 | cads | it's silly is all |
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| 14:12.16 | simonrvn | cads: perfectly silly and fun |
| 14:12.27 | eanda | simonrvn. I did check that one. there is nothing in there |
| 14:12.33 | cads | not work appropriate at all :D |
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| 14:12.56 | simonrvn | syslog then, it might've not been loggged at all, too |
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| 14:13.02 | cads | "you've been trying to get arch to boot for hours! if you don't just install debian RIGHT NOW, yo're fired." |
| 14:13.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:13.30 | eanda | simonrvn. can I force it to log |
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| 14:13.44 | simonrvn | !bootlogd |
| 14:13.44 | dpkg | i heard bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 14:13.55 | mee | looking for advice on file streaming to xbox360 from headless etch box |
| 14:14.17 | abrotman | mee: that depends on the types of media servers your pile supports |
| 14:14.30 | simonrvn | no forcing involved |
| 14:14.43 | abrotman | mee: you mean streaming media, not files right? |
| 14:14.51 | mee | yes sorry |
| 14:14.52 | cads | simon, I'd like to install lenny on this laptop without using a CD or USB |
| 14:14.53 | mee | media |
| 14:15.15 | flower | simonrvn: ssmtp --help gives: ssmtp: No recipients supplied - mail will not be sent |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | cads: what else does it do? |
| 14:15.17 | stoned | all I can think of is using geexbox on your etch machine |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | cads: are the NICs net-bootable ? |
| 14:15.35 | cads | I've got a debian chroot installed, but have no way of installing it in any of the classic ways |
| 14:15.38 | stoned | the xbox will pickup the upnp media shared on the network |
| 14:15.41 | simonrvn | flower: no, with reportbug, not your mta |
| 14:15.50 | cads | abrotman, I think I could do netboot with by ethernet |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | cads: debootstrap ? |
| 14:16.03 | mee | is there a way to share upnp media via apache? |
| 14:16.05 | stoned | I think geexbox is your best bet, but that requires not using debian for it |
| 14:16.11 | stoned | mee, via apache, no |
| 14:16.20 | stoned | not through upnp whats the matter with you |
| 14:16.24 | jelly | judd: versions amarok |
| 14:16.25 | judd | jelly: amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4 lenny: 1.4.10-1 sid: 1.4.10-2 experimental: 2.0.1.1-1 |
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| 14:16.38 | mee | well I'm a newb for one thing |
| 14:16.47 | stoned | that can be a problem |
| 14:16.50 | cads | right, i did debootstrap to try debian, but don't know how to completely replace my existing system [ubuntu (cringes and makes ready to make flight)] |
| 14:16.58 | mee | ha ha |
| 14:17.01 | simonrvn | we all were newbies at one point, still are with stuff |
| 14:17.14 | stoned | yeh, 8 years on debian, almost 9, I'm still a newb |
| 14:17.18 | mee | well I've got it working with ubuntu, but now I dropped to debian etch |
| 14:17.22 | stoned | 14 + years on linux, and I'm still a noob |
| 14:17.29 | stoned | hell, 24 years on the guitar and I'm still a fuckin noob |
| 14:17.31 | abrotman | notes those years keep going up |
| 14:17.34 | stoned | *sigh* |
| 14:17.36 | simonrvn | except maybe jelly, greycat, and karsten :P |
| 14:17.45 | stoned | lets see, 2000 january debian |
| 14:17.49 | stoned | 2009, thats 9 years |
| 14:17.55 | mee | ushare is available for ubuntu as a deb |
| 14:17.55 | jelly | is still a newb |
| 14:17.56 | stoned | 1994 to now, thats like 14 years isn't it |
| 14:17.57 | stoned | ? |
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| 14:18.11 | mee | also for sid so I've read |
| 14:18.13 | stoned | how do they keep going up, why don't you pull the logs of me saying a diff thing from before |
| 14:18.16 | stoned | or stfu |
| 14:18.22 | abrotman | don't have them here, ask me at home |
| 14:18.24 | stoned | seriously, don't instigaate shit |
| 14:18.31 | stoned | grow up |
| 14:18.34 | cads | is proud to be a newb and would worry if he thought himself otherwise |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | stop lying! :) |
| 14:18.44 | stoned | whatever |
| 14:19.54 | stoned | no, thats 15 years |
| 14:20.12 | stoned | 1994 - 2004 is 10 years, plus 5 to 2009, so 15, you're right, its not 14, its 15 |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | years went up again! :) |
| 14:20.23 | stoned | time keep going by man |
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| 14:20.23 | stoned | ! |
| 14:20.26 | stoned | what can I do! |
| 14:20.38 | stoned | next year it will go up again! |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | learn maths? |
| 14:20.48 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 14:20.50 | stoned | man, I could blow you away in maths |
| 14:20.51 | stoned | ) |
| 14:20.54 | stoned | right, moving on |
| 14:21.02 | jelly | mee: there's good chance the app will be able to work in debian if it works in ubuntu; however if you're not too attached to it, you might try something that's already packaged in d. |
| 14:21.10 | simonrvn | first time i tried to innstall anything linux-related was potato, on an m68k, with 500 mb of drive space; then i got a mac ppc, and was actually able to keep the install, heh. </ot> |
| 14:21.24 | mee | jelly: I agree, any suggestions? |
| 14:21.44 | jelly | mee: apt-cache search upnp shows, for example, mediatomb (in lenny) |
| 14:21.53 | mee | I see thank you |
| 14:21.54 | stoned | I first fiddled with linux in 94, then in 95, a bit, and then regularly started using since 96, I remember my first fulltime linux, redhat 6.2 |
| 14:21.57 | stoned | heh |
| 14:22.05 | nvz | i swear this irc client is nearly identicle to the other one.. |
| 14:22.12 | stoned | nvz, which? |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | 6.2 wasn't in 96 |
| 14:22.22 | nvz | mtvirc |
| 14:22.24 | stoned | was it in 95 |
| 14:22.24 | stoned | ? |
| 14:22.32 | stoned | or 97 |
| 14:22.36 | abrotman | probably closer to 97 if i had to guess |
| 14:22.37 | stoned | or was it 6.0 |
| 14:22.42 | abrotman | maybe even 98 |
| 14:22.48 | jelly | I think it was 5.3 or so in '95 |
| 14:22.49 | mee | jelly: is it a bad idea to add lenny repo to apt-get mediatomb? |
| 14:22.56 | jelly | mee: yes |
| 14:23.00 | stoned | man I can't remember, I know I was in 8th grade in 1996 when my compter lab teacher gave me linux and said check this out |
| 14:23.03 | stoned | it was redhat |
| 14:23.14 | stoned | I was 14 years old |
| 14:23.15 | mee | jelly: upgrade to lenny? |
| 14:23.26 | jelly | mee: that would work |
| 14:23.59 | jelly | mee: and would leave you without security updates, and possibly some breakage during the upgrade |
| 14:24.24 | abrotman | stoned: i was way way off .. 6.2 was in 2000 http://linuxmafia.com/faq/RedHat/releases.html |
| 14:24.35 | stoned | you kiddin me? |
| 14:24.48 | stoned | yeh must have been another version my memory is all fucked up |
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| 14:24.49 | stoned | <-- |
| 14:25.06 | nvz | heh |
| 14:25.09 | stoned | anyway, the piont is, i know the years, and yes every year they keep going up |
| 14:25.15 | stoned | :) lets move on! |
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| 14:27.08 | stoned | I remember buying a book in summer 1996, came with caldera, slackware, and mandrake I think I dunno, where was debian in mid 90s |
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| 14:27.11 | stoned | ? |
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| 14:27.23 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 14:27.46 | stoned | ahhh |
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| 14:28.31 | abrotman | stoned: impossible, mandrake wasn't around in 1996 |
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| 14:28.59 | stoned | yeh I wasn't sure about the last one which is why I said "I think I dunno" |
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| 14:29.17 | abrotman | was hoping caldera was dead by then :) |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | yay for tetris in the installer! |
| 14:29.36 | stoned | yeh yey you with your superior memory |
| 14:29.37 | stoned | shaddup |
| 14:30.11 | jelly | and this, kids, is why drugs are bad. |
| 14:31.06 | stoned | !jelly++ |
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| 14:32.33 | enouf | o m g |
| 14:33.00 | stoned | what? |
| 14:33.09 | enouf | ahhh boy |
| 14:33.16 | enouf | :-) |
| 14:33.20 | stoned | whats the matter with you, hey stop stealing my sighs |
| 14:33.22 | stoned | damit |
| 14:33.29 | stoned | ahhhhhh boy |
| 14:33.29 | enouf | ok hon |
| 14:33.35 | stoned | ! |
| 14:33.37 | enouf | hides |
| 14:33.44 | stoned | shakes his head |
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| 14:34.00 | stoned | wtf is mtvirc |
| 14:34.18 | stoned | don't tell me its an irc client made by MTV |
| 14:34.26 | stoned | http://www.getjar.com/products/14641/MtvIRC |
| 14:34.34 | nvz | knockoff of jmirc by the looks of it |
| 14:34.52 | stoned | ye seems like it |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | thinks nvz is artificially inflating his line count! |
| 14:35.13 | stoned | oh you're on a phone |
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| 14:35.29 | stoned | cool |
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| 14:35.53 | nvz | only diffeence i see is the say softkey to write a message is mapped to join instead |
| 14:36.18 | Zambezi | Anyone with Ci7 920/940 with Lenny 64 bits who can tell about the performance? I want one badly to replace my P4. Of course it's hard to tell a difference when it's nothing to compare with. |
| 14:36.22 | nvz | dont have internet... but i have a shiny new red samsung rant |
| 14:37.09 | Zambezi | nvz: You're sending the same messages twice for the second time. I think one is enough. ;-) |
| 14:37.12 | stoned | hm, i7 is amd64 |
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| 14:37.17 | stoned | I want one |
| 14:37.26 | abrotman | Zambezi: he's aware .. but he doesn't see them |
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| 14:37.37 | pif | is there something akin to icecast for video? |
| 14:37.41 | Zambezi | stoned: Intel Core i7. AMD's new is Phenom II. |
| 14:37.42 | stoned | he is on a phone using irc client |
| 14:38.07 | stoned | Zambezi, yes I read about it earlier in the week, no more FSB |
| 14:38.34 | stoned | I have to learn this new stuff now, read more about it, but as for the performance, I dunno, I don't even think I've heard of anyone talk about i7 in here, EVER |
| 14:38.42 | stoned | you're about the first one during my time here |
| 14:38.56 | Zambezi | abrotman, stoned: Then it's hopefully by accident. But you know, some people tend to have poor patient. :-) |
| 14:39.03 | stoned | but it is EM64T compatible, and its a wicked cpu, so my guess, it will be good? |
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| 14:39.19 | stoned | just a regular debian amd64 distro on it should do you just fine I would assume |
| 14:39.19 | abrotman | Zambezi: no, he's doing it in other channels, he can't see the dupes |
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| 14:39.36 | stoned | Zambezi, he is on a PHONE using a java irc client |
| 14:39.40 | Creepers | Installed debian and somehow the internet iss working today :D |
| 14:39.48 | stoned | Zambezi, thats why he is messing up, something to do with his phone client |
| 14:40.51 | stoned | Zambezi, I go lookup i7 specs |
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| 14:41.19 | stoned | so this would be a ... "i786" hehehe |
| 14:41.22 | Creepers | Other then some touchpad issue everything else looks fine. :D |
| 14:42.03 | Zambezi | stoned: I think it's to new. I wouldn't buy it until I was 100% sure I could use it with Debian or atleast Linux. I used GF2 for over two years with Linux until my new monitor made me have to another Radeon 9250 (I guess). I don't like where it's going about powerconsumtion. |
| 14:42.19 | stoned | hell I wouldn't buy it until the 2nd batch came out |
| 14:42.45 | stoned | that drops prices a bit, but it takes like about a year |
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| 14:43.23 | stoned | plus other revisions of the cpu, diff models, one should give some time until i7 has lots of flavors, then pick one that fits you best |
| 14:43.33 | stoned | unless you have unlimited cash and you just keep buying shit |
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| 14:44.10 | Zambezi | stoned: I know. I heard the same too. But then it will come something even better from Intel. AMD really need to come up with soemthing awesome so they can compete better with Intel. That will lower the prices as well. |
| 14:44.15 | stoned | you gotta watch for the intel marketing dept. they sometimes do crazy shit |
| 14:45.14 | stoned | man, look, amd is nice, but it can't compete for some time now, unless it is something enticing for customers to switch, a lower price point, perhaps more features, but I doubt amd can make a better cpu now than Intel, look what happened with the barcelona quad |
| 14:45.21 | Zambezi | stoned: And the prices on motherboard is so high you might start think they replace copper with 24 carat gold. ;-) |
| 14:45.24 | stoned | total flop, twice as much power suckage than an intel quad |
| 14:45.28 | stoned | etc.etc. |
| 14:45.33 | stoned | lol |
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| 14:45.54 | stoned | yeh, buy my gf a motherboard with a chain around it, here baby, put this around your neck |
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| 14:46.23 | stoned | for amd to make a comeback, they HAVE to offer somethign really realyl fuckin heavy man |
| 14:46.27 | stoned | its gotta be heavy shit |
| 14:46.30 | abrotman | the i7 is already out |
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| 14:46.50 | stoned | I made that mistake with a core2 I bought it when it just came out |
| 14:46.55 | stoned | I shoulda waitd |
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| 14:48.24 | Zambezi | stoned: I'm not into this gaming. I'm more into low consumption, multitasking. But there is hardly no GPU which uses less then 100-150W now. I'm hoping Nvidia and ATI make cards with two GPU. One for casual things, one for games, video. |
| 14:48.31 | enouf | we should replace all copper and gold with diamonds - real diamonds can be "manufactured" nowadays |
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| 14:48.52 | stoned | you know there is software that they are working on that shares the GPU with the system |
| 14:48.56 | stoned | :) |
| 14:49.03 | stoned | why have a power card /gpu and have it sit idle |
| 14:49.08 | stoned | put the damn processors to work |
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| 14:49.28 | enouf | it drawers more power according to how hard it's working |
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| 14:49.47 | Zambezi | stoned: A MSN-friend bought the very first P4 2.8 (S478). The P4 2,8 (S775) is twice as fast ircc. When this motherboard broke, he sold it to me for €10. :-) |
| 14:49.49 | enouf | s/drawers/draws |
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| 14:50.02 | stoned | Zambezi, I had one, I sold it |
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| 14:50.23 | enouf | puts stoned into one of the bureau drawers ;-P |
| 14:50.34 | cads | abrotman, sorry, I had to go away for a sec. Should I try netbooting off another computer to do the install? |
| 14:50.41 | abrotman | you can |
| 14:50.48 | stoned | cads, whats going on? |
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| 14:50.50 | cads | dpkg netboot? |
| 14:50.50 | dpkg | i guess netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 14:50.58 | stoned | cads, /msg dpkg :) |
| 14:51.15 | Zambezi | stoned: I had a Dell P4 2,0 with Rambus before so I was happy to get it that cheap. |
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| 14:51.34 | cads | stoned, installing lenny, have no cdrom or usb drive |
| 14:51.42 | enouf | Zambezi: i have a dell server sitting here with rdram in it :-P |
| 14:51.44 | cads | if only that whole statement was my complete status :D |
| 14:51.48 | stoned | cads, you have an OS on the system? |
| 14:51.53 | cads | yes, ubuntu |
| 14:51.57 | Zambezi | stoned: Feels like it's time for #debian-offtopic for us. ;-) |
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| 14:52.10 | stoned | cads, so why don't you install debian from the netboot image |
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| 14:52.25 | abrotman | he should be able to use debootstrap |
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| 14:52.30 | enouf | Zambezi: i'm going to hit up a good friend, who has a gateway with rdram, and i know by now, he's onto a few more powerful and newer PCs ;-) |
| 14:52.41 | stoned | cads, download the netboot kernel/initrd, edit menu.lst, read chapter 4 of the install guide |
| 14:52.57 | cads | that's simple enough, thanks stoned |
| 14:52.59 | stoned | cads, you can start debian installer straight like that |
| 14:52.59 | nsadmin | Zambezi or you could install debian base on a partition which is a chroot then boot it |
| 14:53.13 | nsadmin | using deboostrap |
| 14:53.14 | cads | abrotman, i'll lookup more about debootrap as well |
| 14:53.18 | Zambezi | enouf: My Dell motherboard might stopped working (it couldn't find any unit) so I might sell the Rambus, but it's starting to get cheap now to make a good deal. |
| 14:53.22 | abrotman | cads: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 14:53.47 | enouf | Zambezi: oh yeah - really proprietary PSU and such - heh |
| 14:54.00 | nvz | rambus was a nigtmare |
| 14:54.07 | cads | oh, that reminds me of a question I've had for a while, is dpkg available as an offline bot? |
| 14:54.14 | enouf | nvz: fast and expensive, like a ferrari :-p |
| 14:54.30 | stoned | http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ <-- download linux and initrd.gz and put in / or wherever, make an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst for it with root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=32768 and boot it. |
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| 14:54.35 | cads | I'd like to have his company sometimes, he knows an awful lot |
| 14:54.39 | stoned | it will download the debian base system, and then begin the installation |
| 14:54.48 | enouf | heh, most people would |
| 14:54.58 | nvz | they probably came up with that during an argument about bringing back ferrite core memory |
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| 14:55.04 | Zambezi | enouf: Not mention motherboard. You can't move it to another case. |
| 14:55.05 | stoned | abrotman, why are you pushing debootstrap? |
| 14:55.08 | abrotman | cads: /msg dpkg your factoids .. it's a database |
| 14:55.13 | enouf | what i hate most about LiveCDs --> no man pages :-) |
| 14:55.15 | amitz | Is this guide http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO complete? There seems to be missing step.. |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | stoned: he already has a running system, hell he already has a debian chroot |
| 14:55.28 | stoned | abrotman, what if he wishes to install over the ubuntu partition, which he alread has running |
| 14:55.34 | stoned | oh |
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| 14:56.00 | cads | yep, used it to play with kde4 in january last year |
| 14:56.00 | Zambezi | nvz: Rambus became a nightmare. It was fast in the beginning, but when the manufactures said no, then it became just as good as Vista - useless. ;-) |
| 14:56.09 | stoned | well eitherway would work, I think it might be better to use netboot intead of boostrap, that way you can wipe your crapuntu partition during the installer |
| 14:56.10 | roe_ | anyone know what package maildirmake is packages with? |
| 14:56.12 | cads | it's just been sitting there since, not being used for anything |
| 14:56.31 | cads | anyways, you guys have got me good to go, I appreciate it! |
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| 14:56.52 | stoned | word |
| 14:57.08 | nvz | somehow i think you missed the point... rambus sucks which is why the vendors said no... |
| 14:57.08 | cads | now I'll be able to ask for debian specific help in here without having to hide the fact that I'm ubuntu :D |
| 14:57.30 | stoned | that'd be good cads. |
| 14:57.37 | stoned | welcome to doobian. |
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| 14:58.03 | cads | hah, that's what the fuck is up :D |
| 14:58.09 | enouf | nvz: no it doesn't - it was just too expensive |
| 14:58.44 | enouf | nvz: don't have a little hissy fit b/c you misplaced your crimms :-P |
| 14:58.44 | nvz | because? |
| 14:58.51 | nvz | hah |
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| 14:59.39 | stoned | I just burned some nose hair by accident now I keep smelling burnt hair |
| 14:59.40 | stoned | this sucks |
| 14:59.41 | nvz | we can traceback to my conclusion from yours to find out the root of evil as to why rambus does suck |
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| 14:59.54 | abrotman | stoned: don't you hve your own channel for that? |
| 15:00.06 | enouf | nvz: same reason this economy is tanked - greed |
| 15:00.10 | WormFood | how did you burn your nose hairs? is that anything like burning a DVD? |
| 15:00.23 | stoned | WormFood, #debian-chat |
| 15:00.26 | stoned | I'll tell you all about it |
| 15:00.38 | Zambezi | I've always been using old XBOX-drives to the system. I guess the performance will improve with a WD SATA2 32 MB cache (connected to SATA1), but not if it's worth €70. I have 10 GB, 5400 RPM, 2 MB cache today. Somewhat slow starting applications from time to time. |
| 15:00.45 | nvz | enouf now your on the right track. |
| 15:01.11 | nvz | still missing the point of the costlyness though |
| 15:01.41 | nvz | its about trying to go microsoft eula on us with the ram technology |
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| 15:02.11 | enouf | nvz: it's the same old clown act, just dressed up in the newest vaudeville outfits .. |
| 15:02.41 | enouf | stops the somewhat OT here now |
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| 15:03.16 | nvz | no need to stop.. just relocate |
| 15:03.30 | enouf | note /here/ :-) |
| 15:03.44 | nvz | my stuttering issue is gone now right? |
| 15:03.47 | enouf | nvz: jump over to debian-chat or something |
| 15:03.51 | enouf | nvz: yep |
| 15:04.08 | nvz | im in debian-offtopic |
| 15:04.11 | enouf | nvz: it was a resounding echo .. not a stutter ;-) |
| 15:04.24 | nvz | hah im on jmirc now |
| 15:04.43 | nvz | let the record show mtvirc is a bust |
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| 15:05.23 | doti | hello. Is there a way to increase the brightness of a terminal? |
| 15:05.40 | nsadmin | heat it up! |
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| 15:06.36 | nsadmin | seriously... maybe the terminal has color resources or some kind of interface to the brightness or gamma setting in its preferences |
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| 15:07.13 | nsadmin | but that's a general facility for a specific application... I dunno if there's anything that applies quite that way |
| 15:07.30 | abrotman | doti: turn up the brightness on your monitor |
| 15:08.07 | nsadmin | you might try general -> general instead and ask "how do I control the brigtness of any window" |
| 15:08.32 | doti | abrotman: i'm on a macbook |
| 15:09.14 | abrotman | doti: and? it has no brightness buttons? |
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| 15:10.19 | doti | abrotman: yes, in the f1 and f2 buttons but the dosn't work |
| 15:10.36 | doti | abrotman: and less without x started |
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| 15:10.52 | Roland- | hey, I am having an isssue, I have intel video card, http://pastebin.com/m7d9b9b4f |
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| 15:11.11 | abrotman | doti: in X you can try xbacklight |
| 15:12.27 | stew | (if he's on lenny) |
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| 15:12.47 | abrotman | oh yes, forgot that bit |
| 15:12.52 | doti | abrotman: yes, but i haven't x. Only terminals |
| 15:13.13 | nsadmin | so this is plain text console? |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | doti: i don't know enough about your model, http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/apple.html .. perhaps one of those has some info about the buttons .. |
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| 15:16.06 | craigevil-eee | Roland-: install libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 15:16.22 | Roland- | mesa? |
| 15:16.35 | enouf | doti: i thought something like http://pbbuttons.berlios.de/ was what would help |
| 15:17.32 | enouf | This release adds support for Apples MacBooksan MacBook Pros to pbbuttonsd. This includes support for LCD and keyboard backlight control, ambient light sensor with automatic brightness adjustment and basic ACPI support. |
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| 15:18.27 | doti | enouf: I'll take a look |
| 15:19.08 | enouf | doti: i followed it from the tuxmobil tut i threw out to you yesterday, however the URL to that site was broke, so i looked it up ;-) |
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| 15:19.25 | enouf | http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html <--that one |
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| 15:26.34 | doti | enouf: pbbuttons is a package? |
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| 15:30.09 | Python1320 | hmhm |
| 15:30.15 | Python1320 | Nice network card I have |
| 15:30.21 | Python1320 | It doesn't say if something is plugged in or not |
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| 15:30.37 | Python1320 | When I do NOT have something plugged in the card starts spamming my syslogs |
| 15:30.51 | Python1320 | Jan 13 17:28:40 arsenic kernel: [165900.000426] eth5: Tx timed out, cable problem? TSR=0x0, ISR=0x0, t=40565. |
| 15:30.51 | Python1320 | Jan 13 17:28:59 arsenic kernel: [165919.000043] eth5: Tx timed out, cable problem? TSR=0x0, ISR=0x0, t=3467. |
| 15:31.02 | Python1320 | Anyone had similar problems like this? |
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| 15:33.57 | doti | enouf: pbbuttons is a package? |
| 15:34.05 | doti | enouf: ups, sorry xD |
| 15:34.18 | doti | enouf: i'm instaling pbbuttons yet |
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| 15:40.35 | zamba | how can i alter the lease of a dynamically allocated dhcp lease? |
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| 15:40.47 | enouf | doti: no idea - you can search packages.debian.org or use apt-file /msg dpkg search |
| 15:41.12 | nbeebo | any way to list all files in one directory and the directories inside it? |
| 15:41.16 | nbeebo | a command |
| 15:41.22 | nsadmin | nbeebo: man ls |
| 15:41.43 | bardyr | Hey, i have hooked a old thin client up to my speakers and want them to be used to extend my laptops speakers trough pulseaudio, the problem is that the thin client only has OSS sound, can this be done? |
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| 15:42.46 | petemc | zamba: you can try to set it in dhclient.conf |
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| 15:43.20 | nsadmin | nbeebo: direct answer: yes. |
| 15:44.02 | nbeebo | k got fast help in another channel thanks anyway |
| 15:44.04 | doti | enouf: thanks a lot. Pbbuttons works great. A lot of thanks |
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| 15:44.33 | zamba | petemc: i figured it out.. the problem was of course at the client side |
| 15:44.42 | zamba | petemc: because it requested the same ip it had previously |
| 15:44.57 | zamba | removing dhclient.eth0.leases and everything worked just fine |
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| 15:47.20 | enouf | doti: good to hear - welcome |
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| 15:47.24 | enouf | dpkg: macbook keys is try http://pbbuttons.berlios.de/ for macbook buttons/keys/backlight controls and more |
| 15:47.24 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 15:53.12 | enouf | doti: maybe you'd like to send the author and email to change the URL he has posted that points to packages.debian.org from what he has, to this http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=pbbutton |
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| 15:54.19 | enouf | dpkg forget macbook keys |
| 15:54.19 | dpkg | enouf: i forgot macbook keys |
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| 15:54.27 | doti | enouf: i'll do |
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| 15:55.07 | enouf | dpkg: macbook keys is http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=pbbutton and see (homepage) http://pbbuttons.berlios.de/ for macbook buttons/keys/backlight controls and more |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
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| 15:56.30 | aronofsky | hi guys, can anyone tell me if there is a way to edit a pdf from a script, I need to substitute a word actually, there are tools like pdfedit but i need to do it from a script ... any suggestion ? |
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| 15:57.09 | moldy | aronofsky: there are libraries that allow to do that |
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| 15:57.15 | enouf | is pdftk scriptable? |
| 15:57.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:57.39 | aronofsky | moldy: any name, im really interested ? |
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| 15:58.20 | streuner | judd, versions cups |
| 15:58.21 | judd | streuner: cups -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny4 sid: 1.3.8-1lenny4 experimental: 1.3.9-11 |
| 15:58.32 | moldy | aronofsky: i've never done that myself, but google knowsp plenty of stuff about it. e.g. http://www.colorpilot.com/pdflibrary.html |
| 15:58.32 | streuner | hm |
| 15:59.09 | moldy | aronofsky: http://www.reportlab.org/rl_toolkit.html |
| 15:59.42 | aronofsky | ok will look into it, thx guys |
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| 16:06.05 | aronofsky | enouf, abrotman, what do you have in mind when you said that pdftk was scriptable ? |
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| 16:07.41 | enouf | aronofsky: apt-cache show pdftk ? |
| 16:08.04 | enouf | aronofsky: i too haven't had to try and edit through scripts |
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| 16:08.22 | enouf | all i've done is tried converting and stuff :-P |
| 16:08.31 | jmoncayo | hi guys, i need help with wifidog, anyone here could please help me? i get error with auth server :( |
| 16:08.47 | enouf | judd: versions wifidog |
| 16:08.47 | judd | enouf: wifidog -- |
| 16:09.52 | jmoncayo | i set wifidog hostname as 10.0.0.1 |
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| 16:15.04 | aronofsky | enouf: just read the man and dont really see what operation i coud use to do so, I was hoping to be able to do a decompress, modify text and the recompress , but even after decompress the text doesn't appear in clear |
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| 16:17.23 | enouf | i understand the complexities, however, i don't know offhand what/how to do it |
| 16:18.26 | enouf | maybe some ghostscript or something? i wouldn't think decompressing removes the proprietary Adobe format, would it? |
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| 16:19.58 | aronofsky | at first I wasthinking convert it to HTML, modify and then convert it back to PDF but the document is too much altered |
| 16:20.22 | simonrvn | !test |
| 16:20.22 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 16:20.42 | simonrvn | why is this theme not changing the nick colour? |
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| 16:28.01 | Hideme | I need to display the sectors on a hard drive, parted doesn't seem to allow the -s (sectors) flag, can anyone suggest an alternative app to display sectors? |
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| 16:29.11 | hallowname | Hideme: cfdisk or fdisk cant? |
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| 16:31.27 | Hideme | hallowname: cfdisk does. I'll try that. :) |
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| 16:34.50 | DynV | I'm looking at find command tutorials and examples and can't seem to find the following, I'm in a base folder and there's a listing of directories includins a subdirectory of a same name as /base/unknown/same_dir and I'm searching a certain file extension ( *.ext ) ; how can I proceed to find the former ? |
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| 16:35.36 | enouf | Hideme: display sectors? |
| 16:35.50 | Hideme | enouf: yes |
| 16:35.54 | enouf | fdisk -lu ? |
| 16:35.59 | enouf | parted can also |
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| 16:37.19 | stoned | simonrvn, /help format, check the theme file |
| 16:37.24 | enouf | parted /dev/name ; hit U ; then S ; then P for print |
| 16:37.27 | stoned | maybe its a typo or soemthing in it |
| 16:37.36 | stoned | which theme btw? |
| 16:37.42 | simonrvn | i'm looking at the them now |
| 16:37.44 | enouf | umber Start End Size Type File system Flags |
| 16:37.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.58 | simonrvn | theme*; syntax, plus my mods |
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| 16:39.25 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.07 | hallowname | what the apropos method for regenerating /var/lib/dpkg/available in the event of a hardware failure? (corrupt available list) |
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| 16:40.43 | simonrvn | hallowname: dselect; rm the file first |
| 16:40.53 | hallowname | simonrvn: no dselect installed |
| 16:40.58 | enouf | heh |
| 16:42.04 | simonrvn | yes, and? install it. |
| 16:42.13 | Zor | apt-get install dselect |
| 16:42.14 | Zor | lol |
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| 16:45.22 | paul0 | hi |
| 16:45.26 | hallowname | pebkac : nonexistant available file, apt-get fail'd... touch available, followed by apt-get works, thanks for you help channel! |
| 16:45.31 | paul0 | there's any solution to use java mozilla plugin in debian 64-bits? |
| 16:45.39 | simonrvn | hallowname: have fun |
| 16:45.52 | paul0 | i've installed icedtea, but it still doesn't work here |
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| 16:49.43 | legis | paul0: Sun release a 64 bits one. |
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| 16:50.01 | paul0 | legis, openjdk? |
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| 16:51.15 | stew | paul0: how did you install icedtea? can you be more specific than "doesn't work"? |
| 16:51.21 | SlayerXP | unusually from me, a question: I have a debian box that's installed using PXE and DHCP. is there a debian command or utility to take the current DHCPd netowrk configuration and convert it to a static entry in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 16:51.34 | paul0 | stew, it appears gray boxes insted of the java applet |
| 16:52.03 | paul0 | i've just used update-java-alternatives, let's see if it will work |
| 16:52.29 | paul0 | no, it still doesn't work |
| 16:52.49 | paul0 | hm... now it's white instead of gray |
| 16:53.11 | enouf | SlayerXP: write a little bash script? ;-) |
| 16:53.13 | stew | paul0: how did you install icedtea? |
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| 16:53.42 | paul0 | stew, i've installed the icedtea-gcjwebplugin package |
| 16:53.48 | paul0 | from debian testing repositories |
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| 16:54.08 | stew | paul0: what does "readlink -f /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so" return ? |
| 16:54.18 | meyou | someone tell me if i'm dumb: adding "auto eth1" to /etc/network/interfaces should make that interface attempt to come up on system startup, right? |
| 16:54.28 | stew | meyou: yes |
| 16:54.31 | paul0 | stew, /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/amd64/gcjwebplugin.so |
| 16:54.31 | meyou | thx |
| 16:54.40 | SlayerXP | enouf: that seems like wheel re-inventing |
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| 16:55.18 | enouf | meyou: might also need/want a "auto lo ..." entry? |
| 16:55.20 | norbert_ | hi all, I've got a question about memory; I just added 2x1G DDR1 400Mhz memory to my machine, but /proc/meminfo is showing only 1G (906792 kB) |
| 16:55.49 | norbert_ | does this mean one of those memory strips is broken? |
| 16:55.51 | paul0 | stew, is that correct? |
| 16:55.51 | enouf | norbert_: upgrade from a -486 -> -686 |
| 16:55.55 | stew | paul0: yes |
| 16:56.01 | legis | paul0: no |
| 16:56.02 | enouf | norbert_: what's your CPU? |
| 16:56.12 | legis | paul0: not openjdk |
| 16:56.22 | enouf | norbert_: whatever - all DDR400 machines are atleast 686, IINM |
| 16:56.29 | paul0 | legis, it should be what? |
| 16:56.32 | norbert_ | enouf: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 2600+; 1603.714 MHz |
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| 16:56.41 | stew | legis: are you sure that isn't correct? it looks correct to me |
| 16:56.47 | stew | its what I'm successfully using |
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| 16:57.05 | legis | stew: sorry, I was referring to something else |
| 16:57.08 | enouf | norbert_: sure, should be fine - 'uname -r' says? |
| 16:57.19 | legis | paul0: there is no pkg for it yet |
| 16:57.24 | norbert_ | enouf: 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 16:57.34 | norbert_ | enouf: so I have to apt-get install a kernel -686, got it... thanks |
| 16:57.40 | enouf | norbert_: 1st off thats old and a security issue |
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| 16:57.51 | stew | legis: what was "no" referring to then? |
| 16:57.55 | enouf | norbert_: and also /msg dpkg DSA1571 ? |
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| 16:58.01 | norbert_ | enouf: ok, that comes with Debian stable |
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| 16:58.11 | enouf | erm .. one sec norbert_ - and also /msg dpkg security |
| 16:58.37 | paul0 | legis, oh, i've though that icedtea-gcjwebplugin would work |
| 16:58.47 | paul0 | legis, i have to install it manuall then? |
| 16:58.47 | enouf | norbert_: apt-get update after you have security in your sources.list and before you install newer kernel |
| 16:59.02 | norbert_ | enouf: I usually get: The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486 |
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| 16:59.27 | legis | stew: I told him about the sun 64bit java plugin, then he asked if that was openjdk, I told him 'no'. |
| 16:59.31 | legis | paul0: yes |
| 16:59.46 | lindenle | anyone know a way to throttle the bandwidth a program uses? (i.e. duplicity) |
| 16:59.50 | dustybin | can LVM be used on a VMware virtual machine? |
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| 17:00.31 | stew | paul0: try this page: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml |
| 17:00.33 | enouf | norbert_: it should be - just do the steps i mentioned; a) ensure a proper security line is in sources.list, b) apt-get update c) apt-cache search linux-image (choose a -686 version), install it and /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
| 17:00.36 | norbert_ | enouf: yeah, I have the security in sources.list (for all: main contrib non-free) |
| 17:00.37 | stew | paul0: tell me if you get the dancing java dude |
| 17:00.45 | enouf | good |
| 17:00.46 | paul0 | stew, i was looking in this page: http://www.iced-tea.org/wiki/DebianBuildingInstructions#HOWTO_compile_IcedTea6_under_Debian_Lenny_.283.2F2008.29 |
| 17:01.00 | norbert_ | enouf: yes, I'll try out a -686 |
| 17:01.10 | Tel`Arin | dustybin, yes, you can |
| 17:01.13 | stew | paul0: ignore that page, it is outdated |
| 17:01.34 | dustybin | Tel`Arin: interesting :D |
| 17:01.59 | enouf | norbert_: the -486 kernels have a 1G limit, they have NOHIGHMEM option set - for compatibilty with some bugginess of that -486 era |
| 17:02.15 | norbert_ | enouf: ok |
| 17:02.18 | paul0 | stew, yes, i can see the dancing java |
| 17:02.27 | stew | paul0: ok, so your java plugin is working |
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| 17:02.44 | paul0 | stew, weird |
| 17:03.08 | stew | paul0: if you have some other applet that isn't working, i'd guess its either a buggy applet, or you have found a bug in icedtea |
| 17:03.14 | paul0 | stew, but this java applet doesn't work: http://www.gokgs.com/applet.jsp |
| 17:03.18 | enouf | dustybin: try it and see ;-) then tell us ;-) |
| 17:03.39 | dustybin | ok frank :D |
| 17:03.40 | Tel`Arin | dustybin, don't mistake Xen disks on a LVM volume with virtual machines mapped to a physical device in VMWare. VMWare stores the virtual machines in files, you can use LVM inside of VM, not at ESX level |
| 17:03.53 | enouf | lindenle: hrm .. you could try trickle pkg, not sure how versatile it is |
| 17:04.02 | norbert_ | enouf: thanks again; will try to boot into -686 now |
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| 17:04.10 | dustybin | Tel`Arin: its just VMware fusion running on OS X, Debian VM |
| 17:04.42 | Tel`Arin | dustybin, then, inside of VM, no problem ;-) |
| 17:04.47 | paul0 | stew, java applets from goproblems.com doesn't work too |
| 17:04.48 | dustybin | wow |
| 17:05.09 | dustybin | I thought you couldnt partition or use LVM inside a virtual machine, thought that was too low level |
| 17:05.34 | dustybin | i guess its only a pretend virtual partition |
| 17:06.17 | nsadmin | it has virtual pretendness? |
| 17:06.27 | enouf | dustybin: well, LVM itself is a virtual device :-P |
| 17:06.47 | dustybin | aye indeed, but fdisk + mkfs.ext3 would be virtual as well |
| 17:06.48 | enouf | erm, uses/creates/works from the premise of virtualness .. |
| 17:07.05 | Tel`Arin | dustybin, for a VM, virtual disks are real disks. If you use LVM you'll need a free partition, mark it as Physical Volume LVM with pvcreate to add metadata to virtual disk. It works like a physical machine |
| 17:07.33 | nsadmin | the pretend world of virtual makebelieve |
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| 17:07.43 | nsadmin | but it does work pretty good... |
| 17:07.44 | dustybin | LOL |
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| 17:08.00 | nsadmin | you looking to use it? |
| 17:08.31 | dustybin | nsadmin: im only using vmware to create debian howtos |
| 17:08.39 | dustybin | going to write a LVM howto |
| 17:08.49 | dustybin | all the guides on the net have important bits missing |
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| 17:09.18 | nsadmin | have you read the documentation that comes with lvm too? |
| 17:09.25 | Graveworm | Hi everyone :)! Is there a way to tell aptitude to ignore dependencies? I have a kernel module that recommends some other packages but they |
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| 17:09.30 | Graveworm | 're not available |
| 17:09.51 | \amethyst | Graveworm: -R says to ignore recommends: |
| 17:10.06 | dustybin | nsadmin: docs are not easy on the eye, they usually contain a load of stuff you will never use |
| 17:10.20 | dustybin | and never give nice examples |
| 17:10.27 | Graveworm | I already tried that but aptitude still complains about a broken package. |
| 17:10.34 | nsadmin | dustybin: do you find them complete? |
| 17:10.44 | dustybin | ? |
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| 17:11.00 | dustybin | nsadmin: here are easy on the eye docs: worldbeyond.net |
| 17:11.16 | enouf | Graveworm: dependencies != recommends |
| 17:11.19 | nsadmin | that's not the question tho |
| 17:11.29 | dutchfish | hi, i am puzzled why dmidecode -s processor-family gives wrong info (debian lenny latest 64bit)? it gives wrong info on 4 out of 12 systems |
| 17:11.50 | nsadmin | the question is, have you tried to deal with them, and had any success? |
| 17:11.51 | enouf | dutchfish: which version? tried lshw? |
| 17:12.00 | dustybin | nsadmin: nope |
| 17:12.03 | dutchfish | enouf, version of dmidecode? |
| 17:12.07 | dustybin | i have with other tools |
| 17:12.12 | enouf | dutchfish: how about hwinfo? your BIOS DMI/SMBIOS might suck ass ;-) |
| 17:12.33 | dustybin | are there html version of docs ? |
| 17:12.36 | dutchfish | enouf, cat /prc/cpuinfo deisplays correct info, the same for hwinfo |
| 17:12.38 | enouf | dutchfish: does lshal | grep smbios display correct info? no, it's not CPU specific |
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| 17:13.14 | nsadmin | then (1) you should and (2) you can't claim that every doc is missing information when you haven't read the actual docs and so you're missing some information as well... I would like to suggest and request that before you write this howto, you consult the original docs |
| 17:13.29 | dutchfish | enouf, lshal | grep smbios gives empty |
| 17:13.31 | dustybin | ok frank |
| 17:13.39 | enouf | dutchfish: ouch .. |
| 17:13.44 | enouf | dutchfish: here i have dmidecode: |
| 17:13.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.46 | dutchfish | enouf, yep |
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| 17:13.58 | Graveworm | enouf: Erm ok.. Sry. Thera a different descriptions. I read somwhere that that module recommends the packages but actually it seems that it depends on it. So... Can I tell aptitude to ignore that dependencies? |
| 17:13.59 | dustybin | nsadmin: not missing information, just find them hard to read, and they never provide basic examples what most people would use |
| 17:13.59 | enouf | dutchfish: is acpi=off set? |
| 17:14.02 | gsamsa_ | is there a group that can write in /var/www/ ? |
| 17:14.15 | enouf | dutchfish: or some other kernel params? hrm... |
| 17:14.26 | dutchfish | enouf, mine gives 2.9 when querying -V |
| 17:14.40 | enouf | dutchfish: apt-cache policy dmidecode ;-) |
| 17:14.41 | dutchfish | enouf, acpi=on and tried off the same |
| 17:15.02 | enouf | dutchfish: well, you shouldn't need either, and =on is the same as nothing ;-) |
| 17:15.17 | enouf | dutchfish: your own kernel? |
| 17:15.32 | dutchfish | enouf, apt-cache policy dmidecode gives back: 2.9-1 |
| 17:15.41 | dutchfish | enouf, as installed version |
| 17:16.07 | dutchfish | enouf, tried it both at 2.6.26-1 (stock lenny) 2.6.27.10 and 2.6.28 all the same |
| 17:16.09 | gsamsa_ | i want to put a website in /var/www , but my user doesn't have write permissions |
| 17:16.17 | enouf | dutchfish: Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1307362 just to have a look at what you should be getting |
| 17:16.20 | eanda | Hey all. how can I reset gnome back to the default from the os |
| 17:16.22 | gsamsa_ | is there a group i can add it to? thanks |
| 17:16.24 | dutchfish | enouf, i suspect dmidecode itself |
| 17:16.25 | nsadmin | dustybin: for example... have you read the man pages on each of the executables? like pv/vg/lvscan, *create, etc? have you seen the usage message of each? |
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| 17:16.35 | enouf | dutchfish: likely - and/or buggy BIOS ;-) |
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| 17:16.55 | enouf | gsamsa_: try man a2enmod |
| 17:17.04 | enouf | gsamsa_: see userdir |
| 17:17.07 | nsadmin | do these man pages provide examples of their use? |
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| 17:17.50 | gsamsa_ | thanks |
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| 17:19.45 | simonrvn | !test |
| 17:19.45 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:19.52 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 17:20.00 | enouf | finally ;-) |
| 17:20.03 | dutchfish | enouf, i doubt that, dmidecode does give wrong info on 4 out of 12 systems; 1 example: http://paste.debian.net/25913/ |
| 17:20.24 | simonrvn | found it. was some \00012 thing in the theme |
| 17:20.31 | simonrvn | made it blue |
| 17:20.53 | enouf | dutchfish: i'm trying to tell you how/where dmidecode get's it's info from - the BIOS, iinm, have you seen the home page? |
| 17:21.00 | dutchfish | enouf, compare with the cat /proc/cpuinfo at the end of the list |
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| 17:21.13 | simonrvn | afk |
| 17:21.35 | dutchfish | enouf, homepage? |
| 17:21.48 | enouf | dutchfish: what on earth is wrong with you? :-P i don't need to see all that! .. just show what's wrong |
| 17:22.20 | dutchfish | enouf, dimdecode says its family type xeon, it isnt, sorry if i gave to much info |
| 17:22.24 | enouf | and use something that doesn't Double Space .. ffs@! :-P |
| 17:22.30 | dutchfish | s/dimdecode/dmidecode |
| 17:22.37 | enouf | 770+ lines with double spacing? sheesh |
| 17:22.51 | ajuonline | i am running Ubuntu, want to switch to Debian Testing. I am downloading the netinst boot ISO which is 5 Mb. am I doing the right step? |
| 17:23.01 | dustybin | i wonder if any folk in this channel will find this course helpful: http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE5085DE20090109 |
| 17:23.27 | enouf | dutchfish: xeon? xeon could mean almost anything |
| 17:23.29 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry, i have not paste it double space .... |
| 17:23.44 | enouf | dutchfish: i know - it's not you - it's the pastebin site |
| 17:23.53 | dutchfish | enouf, better one? |
| 17:23.59 | enouf | dutchfish: anyone ;-) |
| 17:24.04 | enouf | dutchfish: er any one ;-) |
| 17:24.05 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
| 17:24.09 | WormBe | what is the best way to backup a whole disk and then be able to bring it back to its former state at any time? get a disk image with dd perhaps? or sth else? |
| 17:24.42 | enouf | g4l ? |
| 17:24.53 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i gues i am on my own with this, ill go check source of dmidecode |
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| 17:25.15 | enouf | dutchfish: sure - yes, i meant the author's homepage - upstream dmidecode |
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| 17:25.20 | dutchfish | enouf, apropos i found 12 udev bugs so far, 4 i solved |
| 17:25.20 | WormBe | enouf: is it reliable? |
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| 17:25.30 | enouf | dutchfish: \o/ |
| 17:25.36 | enouf | WormBe: no idea |
| 17:25.36 | jelly | !win dutchfish |
| 17:25.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, dutchfish! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 17:25.47 | SQlvpapir | an easy way to check how long some command took? like dd or compiling.. |
| 17:25.56 | enouf | time |
| 17:25.58 | dutchfish | enouf, hehe, i hope, it will go it bit faster, its timeconsuming |
| 17:26.38 | dutchfish | dpkg, if i only had a better tool then reportbug it sucks |
| 17:26.38 | dpkg | dutchfish: no idea |
| 17:26.57 | enouf | well .. you can pound say dd, from another sh, sending -SIGUSR1 to the PID for status checks along the way - but ... |
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| 17:27.06 | adama_ | WormBe: I tried g4l and it sucked. I ended up using rsync |
| 17:27.28 | enouf | tried g4u ? |
| 17:27.30 | WormBe | adama_: can rsync keep the disk image? i didn't know that |
| 17:27.47 | dutchfish | SQlvpapir, man time |
| 17:27.48 | SQlvpapir | enouf: i dont want system time but seconds |
| 17:27.50 | adama_ | I also tried using dd but it didn't work either. I was cloning a disk though, not backing up to a backup file |
| 17:27.59 | adama_ | yes g4u sorry |
| 17:28.00 | SQlvpapir | uhm aha |
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| 17:28.08 | enouf | SQlvpapir: whom mentioned system time? whatever that means |
| 17:28.09 | adama_ | ummm |
| 17:28.18 | dutchfish | !time |
| 17:28.18 | dpkg | i guess time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2009.01.13 17:28:18, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 17:28.23 | dutchfish | darn |
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| 17:28.39 | dutchfish | time - run programs and summarize system resource usage |
| 17:28.40 | enouf | SQlvpapir: i meant the 'time' command as a counter |
| 17:29.07 | adama_ | WormBe: no I was trying to copy an install from a 80GB drive to 160GB |
| 17:29.14 | adama_ | not what you are doing |
| 17:29.27 | adama_ | I think dd will work for you |
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| 17:30.00 | WormBe | adama_: i hope so |
| 17:30.05 | adama_ | g4u or g4l or whatever may work as well. |
| 17:30.15 | enouf | SQlvpapir: start a compile, in another shell , run 'time bash' leave it alone, then when compile is done, 'exit' in the time sh , .. or similar -- there's likely a ton of stopwatch type mechanisms you can use, maybe even at, or cron related |
| 17:30.41 | enouf | look at the wall clock - before/after :-P |
| 17:30.46 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 17:30.58 | dutchfish | or script it |
| 17:31.10 | nsadmin | also, if you're missing information yourself and you write the howto, are you sure it will help in most cases? I'm not trying to discourage you from writing it, I'm trying to encourage you to become familiar with all the material out there. |
| 17:31.16 | adama_ | WormBe: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd |
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| 17:31.44 | enouf | !info gddrescue |
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| 17:32.08 | dpkg | gddrescue: (the GNU data recovery tool), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2-1.3 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 17:35.02 | sphenxes01 | I have installed wu-ftp on my Debian computer. I can now connect to it through my window computer and transfer files. My question: how can I access the debian computer from outside my localhost (from the internet). I have dynamic ip address (that is not a problem i can use ifconfig to figure it out). i am newbie. would someone give some hints? what is my ftp address? |
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| 17:36.19 | lunaphyte_ | how can info be obtained about when a newer version of a particular package might be available? |
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| 17:37.11 | WormBe | does dd automatically compress the 0 bytes of a disk? |
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| 17:37.39 | nsadmin | a disk that has 0 bytes is not so useful :) |
| 17:37.49 | nsadmin | it shoudl have at least one byte! |
| 17:38.07 | dutchfish | lunaphyte, you mean in your curent flavour of Debian, or totally? |
| 17:38.20 | nsadmin | and no, it doesn't automatically compress that I know of |
| 17:38.22 | WormBe | nsadmin: obviously, i am talking about any 0 bytes that happen to appear |
| 17:38.32 | WormBe | ok then i guess i ll have to gzip it |
| 17:38.34 | lunaphyte_ | dutchfish: yes, my current flavor (testing). |
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| 17:39.00 | dutchfish | lunaphyte, apt-get update && apt-cache show [foo] |
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| 17:39.49 | glax | HI guys, I want to configure 2 IP on different nic on the same computer, may someone help me with that? |
| 17:39.53 | dutchfish | lunaphyte, or aptitude show [foo] if you prefer |
| 17:41.03 | lunaphyte_ | dutchfish: what i meant was - for example - the current version of dovecot-imapd in testing is 1.0.15 - i'd like to know when 1.1 might appear. |
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| 17:42.27 | dutchfish | lunaphyte, for more in depth overview i use http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html (you can search on a package there too) |
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| 17:43.15 | lunaphyte_ | ah, thanks. that's what i was looking for. |
| 17:44.16 | dutchfish | lunaphyte, even more elegant; use konquerer shortcuts for packages.debian.org searches ;) |
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| 17:44.57 | lunaphyte_ | :) |
| 17:46.10 | newsense | anyone know what [._[:alnum:]-]+ would mean for an egrep regex is ? |
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| 17:46.58 | newsense | im guessing it means may contain alphanumeric and . _ characters |
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| 17:47.24 | newsense | or may or may not contain alphanumeric and . _ characters ? |
| 17:47.57 | luisan | hello. What i need to connect a windows machine to internet throught my debian machine? What I have to search? |
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| 17:47.58 | newsense | i already asked in regex but its quiet there just seeing if anyone knew off the top of their head |
| 17:48.37 | newsense | luisan, ip forwarding or nat |
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| 17:50.25 | dutchfish | !tell luisan about nat |
| 17:50.30 | newsense | lusian http://danieldegraaf.afraid.org/info/iptables/examples look at nat router on this page also have to enable ip forwarding in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:51.52 | enouf | newsense: how about all/any matching "._[a-zA-Z0-9]-" ? so '._7-' is a match? try #bash :-P |
| 17:52.30 | runa_ | hi can sb tell me where network-manager has its config files? in particular i need the wpa config file |
| 17:52.37 | enouf | ahh crap - i suck, forgot about the []s |
| 17:52.46 | newsense | enouf, cool i see theres a few ways to do it i was trying to eliminate the [:alpha:] for /w but i dont know how to use /w and add other characters to the regex |
| 17:52.53 | newsense | ill try #bash thanks |
| 17:53.03 | enouf | runa_: i don;t think anyone knows precisely where :-P |
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| 17:53.29 | enouf | runa_: that's why everyone mostly uses manual methods / CLI tools :-) |
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| 17:54.09 | enouf | runa_: might try irc.gnome.org though |
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| 17:58.15 | magyar_ | hi, using rac0on with lenny and i generate policies with racoon? I have "generate_policy on" but no policies are generated |
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| 18:01.07 | pobega | (sorry about before, I got disconnected) -- I just reinstalled Debian and my GTK fonts are huge; how can I resize GTK fonts without using GNOME? |
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| 18:01.39 | dutchfish | magyar, i had the same issues and use KVpnc now (that is if you are on KDE) succesfully |
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| 18:06.21 | vn | hey simonrvn: remember the issue I had yesterday? I solved it, it was stupid, I unplugged the old server 10 days ago and it was using it for dns requests because the old server's IP was in resolv.conf....so everything was laggy! thanks for the time btw ;) |
| 18:06.32 | enouf | pobega: maybe a dpi issue? /msg dpkg dpi |
| 18:06.36 | kyrix | do i have to do anything else on a debian machine besides activating ip foward to allow "routing" between two nics? |
| 18:07.01 | enouf | pobega: xfontsel ? xlsfonts? er |
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| 18:07.39 | dutchfish | kyrix, no, but there are other things like security |
| 18:07.48 | kyrix | machine network A -192.168.1.0 - debianbox network B -192.168.2.0 network machine (to make them be pingable?) |
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| 18:08.19 | kyrix | dutschfish: i want to make it work first :) |
| 18:08.41 | dutchfish | kyrix, ok, maybe you want to check routetable (man route) |
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| 18:09.18 | kyrix | i have no rules in iptables, so it "should" work. if the routes are set up correctly |
| 18:09.22 | dutchfish | kyrix, has every subnet its default gateway defined? |
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| 18:10.32 | kyrix | yes. but its not the debian box. but the gw routers have the debian box as the gw for the "other" subnet respectively |
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| 18:11.22 | dutchfish | kyrix, do your clients know that too? |
| 18:12.02 | subsume | http://dpaste.com/108607/ <-- how? |
| 18:12.06 | kyrix | yes because the clients have those routers as default gw |
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| 18:12.26 | dutchfish | kyrix, think again |
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| 18:13.00 | kyrix | wrong? |
| 18:13.14 | kyrix | ive been thinking about it 5 days already |
| 18:13.17 | kyrix | :/ |
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| 18:14.19 | enouf | subsume: cold pasting is a bit rude |
| 18:14.26 | dutchfish | kyrix, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 18:14.29 | subsume | enouf: sorry about that. |
| 18:14.38 | subsume | Trying to figure out the discrepancy between top and meminfo.py |
| 18:14.38 | enouf | np |
| 18:14.52 | kyrix | thanks dutschfish, ill take a look |
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| 18:15.19 | dutchfish | kyrix, yw |
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| 18:15.44 | kyrix | oh i already read that one |
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| 18:16.18 | dutchfish | kyrix, or this: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ipmasq |
| 18:16.37 | dutchfish | kyrix, there are actually quiet some solutions |
| 18:16.43 | magyar_ | dutchfish, i get the error on the racoon server "racoon: INFO: no policy found, try to generate the policy : 192.168.120.0/32[0] 0.0.0.0/0[0] proto=any dir=in" |
| 18:16.51 | enouf | subsume: doesn't the ures article explain it for you? |
| 18:17.05 | magyar_ | not to sure how to generate a policy |
| 18:17.07 | subsume | ures...? |
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| 18:17.18 | enouf | subsume: the author of meminfo hangs in ##kernel btw |
| 18:17.25 | subsume | oh, ok |
| 18:17.47 | dutchfish | magyar, so far as my memory lasts, it as a security policy, setup racoon correctly as the right user |
| 18:17.49 | enouf | subsume: http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
| 18:17.52 | subsume | thanks |
| 18:17.54 | enouf | subsume: read the prior though |
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| 18:18.19 | SQlvpapir | anyone successfully compiled the lastest 2.6 snapshot over at kernel.org? |
| 18:19.01 | dutchfish | magyar, KVpnc is comfortable, because it guides you through the setup of those policies by its wizards |
| 18:19.54 | magyar_ | dutchfish, so policies are not set on server? |
| 18:20.17 | dutchfish | magyar, sure, my mistake i thought you where setting up a client |
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| 18:20.48 | magyar_ | dutchfish, sry, i use racoon as a roadwarrior server |
| 18:20.53 | lunaphyte_ | i get the following error after adding experimental to my sources list: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release Unable to find expected entry experimental/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 18:21.19 | magyar_ | dutchfish, i get the tunnel connected but no routing, I guess due to policies |
| 18:21.20 | dutchfish | magyar, yes, its a long time ago for me ... mmm.. |
| 18:21.31 | dutchfish | magyar, yep |
| 18:22.14 | kyrix | dutchfish, thanks |
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| 18:22.48 | Fox_1_ | do you know any database designer under linux? |
| 18:22.54 | jcm | hi, I get 'ata1.00: both IDENTIFYs aborted, assuming NODEV' with sata_promise 2.12, Linux version 2.6.26-1-686; my disk worked before this restart without problem. Is it dead ? |
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| 18:23.35 | WormBe | it seems dd | gzip doesn't really account for null bytes and the "compressed" image gets really large. for a 500MB used disk the image gets > 6GB (the disk is 20GB) |
| 18:23.38 | tombs | anyone can sync palm using jpilot without problem? |
| 18:23.41 | norbert_ | enouf: that works, with -686... only small problem is that my digicam is no longer being detected, not sure why but cat /proc/scsi/scsi no longer lists it |
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| 18:24.39 | cmdln | Can someone explain the difference between nscd and nss-updatedb to me? they both seem to provide nss caching functionality, should they be used in conjunction or just one or the other? |
| 18:24.40 | enouf | jcm: could be - can you try a livecd boot and see if you can access it? what did you recently change? upgrade? |
| 18:24.55 | enouf | norbert_: not sure what to tell you - uname -r says? |
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| 18:25.17 | norbert_ | enouf: that's 2.6.18-6-686 now |
| 18:25.37 | enouf | cmdln: the man page or /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/* docs don't say? |
| 18:26.10 | enouf | norbert_: odd.. i think maybe your digicam thing is mostly unrelated - using gnome? /msg dpkg automount |
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| 18:26.13 | cmdln | They both provide nss caching, but I cant tell if they ought to be used in conjunction or not |
| 18:27.07 | enouf | norbert_: dmesg | less look for anything pertaining to your camera - you don't have an /etc/fstab entry for it, do you? and pastebin output of ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 18:27.12 | jcm | enouf: there was a shutdown in the night (power failure); didn't remount |
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| 18:27.32 | enouf | jcm: you need to run fsck on it .. at the least |
| 18:28.08 | enouf | jcm: is the system PSU seem to be in order? check all your BIOS settings as well |
| 18:30.51 | enouf | cmdln: if apt-cache show <pkgname> doesn't show Conflicts: and lists either pkg, should be fine - if you find something like that, please file a bug report |
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| 18:31.19 | dcnoye_ | i'm looking to install debian on a mac mini intel, any advice ? |
| 18:31.26 | enouf | cmdln: IOW, you don't want to see each other's pkgname in the Conflicts: line from the show |
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| 18:31.57 | enouf | cmdln: make sure of versions too .. dpkg -l pkgname | grep ^.i |
| 18:32.03 | cmdln | enouf: right they dont conflict as far as the package manager is concerned |
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| 18:32.41 | enouf | cmdln: for ex; i have a update-dlocatedb command that's used in conjuction with dlocate |
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| 18:32.49 | dcnoye | debian on an intel mac, has anyone in here done that ? |
| 18:32.55 | enouf | erm . same pkg though - so not the same, i guess |
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| 18:33.17 | enouf | dcnoye: wiki.debian.org/MacBook has ;-) |
| 18:33.24 | enouf | !macbook |
| 18:33.24 | dpkg | well, macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 18:33.33 | dcnoye | oooo nice, thanks :D |
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| 18:33.57 | enouf | dcnoye: if you issues with backlights, and multmedia keys, try /msg dpkg macbook keys |
| 18:34.03 | cmdln | I just cant find descriptions of how they differ in what they do. I know nss-updatedb will pull the ldap tree and cache all of the passwd and group entries, you would cron that like once a day. But nscd i think does dynamic caching so doesnt that defeat the purpose of having nss-updatedb |
| 18:34.14 | dcnoye | enouf: ok |
| 18:34.31 | enouf | cmdln: sounds like an email to maintainers are in order? :-) |
| 18:35.10 | enouf | cmdln: i wonder if libnss* would have some documentation about that |
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| 18:50.00 | jcm | enouf: what is PSU ? sry... how can I run fsk on a SATA disk that doesn't IDENTIFY to the card ? |
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| 18:50.57 | enouf | jcm: psu == power supply unit |
| 18:51.08 | enouf | jcm: you boot a livecd, like i already mentioned |
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| 18:51.37 | enouf | you check your BIOS settings, like i already mentioned |
| 18:51.44 | EugenMayer | is there any scan-sw under linux? kooka seems "dead" |
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| 18:52.07 | cahoot | xsane |
| 18:52.11 | SerajewelKS | haha wow, i don't think linux ntfs write is quite safe yet |
| 18:52.11 | EugenMayer | thank you |
| 18:52.12 | enouf | you might have some hardware damage indeed - or you might just need to reset your BIOS, perhaps reflash it at worst |
| 18:52.31 | SerajewelKS | xp chkdsk just "reorganized" most of my stuff into found.000 ... |
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| 18:52.43 | enouf | ... |
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| 18:53.05 | Ward1983 | !xen |
| 18:53.05 | dpkg | xen is, like, an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support. For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 18:53.06 | enouf | XP OS? and chkdsk? |
| 18:53.36 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i have an ntfs volume that i write to from linux and i guess the write support isn't working too well |
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| 18:53.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: because chkdsk just had a field day with the directory structure |
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| 18:53.49 | EugenMayer | cahoot: if he do not find my scanner, while i have the printer instally ( printer + scanner "in one" ) are there any special drivers? |
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| 18:53.58 | enouf | oh, i see, you mean because it wasn't written properly using ntfs-3g+fuse, MPoop chkdsk freaked out? |
| 18:54.07 | SerajewelKS | something like that |
| 18:54.27 | cahoot | EugenMayer: sorry - no idea about such multipurpose devices |
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| 18:54.46 | enouf | yikes - i heard something about various POSIX style storing/writing of files? .. something odd, something windows uses, but linux doesn't |
| 18:55.04 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does the /f or /r switch help? |
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| 18:55.28 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not sure, it was an automatic check. it removed a bunch of "orphan" files, then recovered them all into found.000 |
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| 18:55.38 | vn | what would be a good way to search all files on my fs for a specific string and knowing in which file it is contained? |
| 18:55.42 | enouf | not a bad shutdown SerajewelKS ? |
| 18:55.55 | enouf | vn: find and grep |
| 18:55.57 | SerajewelKS | enouf: nope, clean unmount on the linux side |
| 18:56.02 | enouf | ok |
| 18:56.22 | vn | grep to look in the files ok but find for...what? |
| 18:56.48 | Eulex | producing a list of all files |
| 18:56.55 | Eulex | or just a recursive grep |
| 18:56.57 | enouf | vn: grep .. all by itself, i suggest you do one top dir/ at a time and use -R ..or rgrep |
| 18:56.58 | abrotman | vn: if you konw the file, why not just look in it? |
| 18:57.16 | enouf | vn: find to narrow the amount of files to be grepped |
| 18:57.42 | enouf | vn: don't grep throuigh /proc without first removing some items, using find :-P |
| 18:58.00 | abrotman | vn: if you don't know where the file is `updatedb && locate <foofile>` .. then just grep it |
| 18:58.19 | vn | ok, because I did a migration a few months ago and my system is lagging because some apps are still using the old server's IP which I unplugged 10 days ago...so I wanna know which file may contain the IP |
| 18:58.35 | enouf | locate <keyword> works |
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| 18:59.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: incidentally, most of the files it moved i haven't touched in weeks |
| 18:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | vn, find /etc -type f -exec grep -l oldip '{}' + |
| 18:59.14 | enouf | vn: the IP is not likely in decimal form likely .. unless .. |
| 18:59.27 | vn | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, gotta try this one, thanks! |
| 18:59.36 | vn | enouf: well im supposing its some config file |
| 18:59.53 | enouf | SerajewelKS: ahh .. did you mount with noatime/relatime or some other exotic mount options? i don't know the ntfs-3g mount options list |
| 19:00.03 | EugenMayer | anyway to extract rpm`s under debian ? |
| 19:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | vn (that's for /etc - I don't think any IPs should be stored anywhere else, but in the users home directory... but I might be wrong) |
| 19:00.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i mounted with whatever gnome-volume-manager did |
| 19:00.10 | enouf | start with /etc/ and /home/ vn |
| 19:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | EugenMayer, look at the package alien |
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| 19:00.49 | vn | ok, nothing in etc.. |
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| 19:01.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf: IIRC, these are all files closes to the start of the volume... i wonder if that's related |
| 19:01.02 | enouf | eww .. i have CutMeOwnThroat on /ig still :-P ... /me removes him from the box |
| 19:01.04 | SerajewelKS | closest* |
| 19:01.12 | tombs | does anyone use jpilot to sync palm please? |
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| 19:01.43 | SerajewelKS | tombs: i used to, do you have an actual question or are you taking a poll? |
| 19:02.00 | enouf | SerajewelKS: possibly written in an area usually reserved by MS for defragging $MPT and such things? |
| 19:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need... was funny seeing you giving worse advice a bit later |
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| 19:02.16 | SerajewelKS | enouf: maybe... it didn't freak out like this the last time i was using windows though |
| 19:02.27 | tombs | SerajewelKS: I'm trying hard for 2 days now, and nothing happen. No sync at all |
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| 19:02.40 | SerajewelKS | tombs: honestly it's been a while so i don't think i'll be able to help much |
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| 19:02.51 | SerajewelKS | tombs: try describing your problem to everyone else, see if they know |
| 19:02.51 | enouf | you're too funny .. and still hilarious and delusional ;-) |
| 19:02.57 | vn | unless...is it possible to trace which program's using an IP or something similar? I see the old IP in tcpdump but I dont know which program asks for it |
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| 19:03.32 | enouf | SerajewelKS: no idea mate - sorry. some maybe in other channels that use ntfs-3g more often? |
| 19:03.47 | SerajewelKS | enouf: you know of a channel for ntfs-3g? |
| 19:04.05 | tombs | I'm using jpilot 1.6.0 unde kernel 2.6.28 gpilotd is not running |
| 19:04.11 | tombs | usb symlink is fine |
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| 19:04.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: no, nbut i meant like maybe ##linux or something, maybe even ##windows |
| 19:04.18 | tombs | permissions are fine |
| 19:04.21 | enouf | ask those people where as well |
| 19:04.26 | tombs | and..nothing happen |
| 19:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | vn, you can search the whole system, but except /etc and /home nothing should store stuff |
| 19:04.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: /msg ALIS list #*fuse* ? |
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| 19:05.37 | daftd | /var ? |
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| 19:05.43 | enouf | bets vn 's /opt is populated :-P |
| 19:06.21 | daftd | just joined but /usr/local also :p |
| 19:06.41 | vn | nothing in opt |
| 19:06.55 | enouf | cat /proc/net/tcp would give you a clue as to what an IP address looks like when the machine uses it ;-) |
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| 19:07.22 | vn | :s |
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| 19:07.53 | enouf | vn: cat /proc/net/rt_cache figure out the IPs there, anything wrong? |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | vn: grep -R <ip> /etc/ .. usually a good place to start |
| 19:08.38 | enouf | just use something like 192 to start |
| 19:08.50 | enouf | use -l also |
| 19:08.53 | enouf | at first |
| 19:09.13 | vn | uh I can't grasp anything from what's in rt_cache |
| 19:09.15 | enouf | goes afk for a few |
| 19:09.19 | vn | kthx |
| 19:10.06 | enouf | vn: under Destination, see things like 0200A8C0 ? reverse bytes there, so C0 A8 00 02 |
| 19:10.28 | enouf | vn: there's no place like 127.0.0.1 :-) |
| 19:10.40 | abrotman | vn: also consider the system may not hold the IP, but the old server name |
| 19:11.02 | enouf | but that's all live and volatile and .. as abrotman mentions, it's not where conffiles are |
| 19:11.06 | enouf | well .. |
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| 19:11.25 | enouf | another good point -- ok, i'm afk |
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| 19:13.23 | vn | you have a point there... |
| 19:13.30 | EugenMayer | i want to compile the canon scna driver and i get No package 'gtk+-2.0' found |
| 19:13.40 | EugenMayer | which gtk package do i need ( out of the thousand ) |
| 19:14.04 | Eulex | EugenMayer, the -dev package of the main gtk 2.0 one. |
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| 19:14.43 | EugenMayer | Eulex thank you |
| 19:14.48 | vn | eth0 1901A8C0 1901A8C0 0 0 15 0 1A01A8C0 1500 0 0 00 -1 0 1A01A8C0 |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | EugenMayer: libgtk2.0-dev or similar |
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| 19:17.29 | bardyr | How can i control what priority a users processes are created with? |
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| 19:17.58 | jelly-home | bardyr: processes inherit the nice value from their parent |
| 19:18.02 | EugenMayer | any ideas what that could be : ./libtool: line 750: X--tag=CC: command not found |
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| 19:18.49 | bardyr | jelly, yea but i want to define what priority a processes/program is started with by default for a user |
| 19:18.54 | SerajewelKS | enouf: someone in ##linux said that if i mounted it with "force" on linux then it's my fault, but i'm not sure what options gnome-volume-manager uses :/ |
| 19:19.40 | bardyr | SerajewelKS, mounting NTFS volumes with -o force isnt dangerous anymore |
| 19:20.08 | bardyr | SerajewelKS, at least not if you are running a updated version of ntfs-3g |
| 19:20.32 | jelly-home | bardyr: the simplest way to do this was to make a wrapper script |
| 19:20.40 | jelly-home | s/was/would be/ |
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| 19:20.54 | abrotman | bardyr: which version of debian is this? |
| 19:21.34 | bardyr | jelly-home, i cant create a wrapper script for each program |
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| 19:21.59 | jelly-home | bardyr: you want to renice all programs, or just some? |
| 19:22.02 | bardyr | s/each/every |
| 19:22.12 | bardyr | jelly, all |
| 19:22.17 | jelly-home | bardyr: why? |
| 19:22.58 | abrotman | dislikes when ubuntu users come here for support |
| 19:22.58 | jelly-home | doesn't have an answer, but is interested in use case |
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| 19:23.33 | bardyr | jelly, i have hooked up a really crappy thin client up to some speakers and use it with MPD, but when i transfer music to it with smb, the sound scratches unless the smb process is reniced 10 |
| 19:23.41 | stoned | a lot of people I know who used debian now use ubuntu :( |
| 19:23.50 | stoned | they say ubutnu is debian with less work to do |
| 19:23.52 | bardyr | jelly, i want to prevent scratches at all cost |
| 19:23.52 | dustybin | you can use openssl to create self signed certificates, you could use that for https apache, what other tools/applications might use a SSL certificate? |
| 19:24.06 | bardyr | abrotman, and what do you mean= |
| 19:24.09 | bardyr | abrotman, ? |
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| 19:24.26 | stoned | what direction does debian need to take, I mean obviously this is something that makes us lose people |
| 19:24.26 | stoned | doesn't it? |
| 19:24.26 | jelly-home | bardyr: I'd increase buffer size and use a threaded player |
| 19:24.53 | stoned | those people could very well be using debian instead of ubuntu, so perhaps we need to make a project to make desktopping in in debian very easy like ubuntu |
| 19:25.08 | bardyr | jelly, it does not help much when with a 200mhz 128mb ram, crap chipset box |
| 19:25.09 | danners | debian looses people because the release process takes forever and the softwar gets old |
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| 19:25.19 | jelly-home | bardyr: you can renice the whole samba daemon in its init script, I guess |
| 19:25.21 | stoned | that doesn't matter |
| 19:25.30 | dustybin | danners: less is more |
| 19:25.33 | bardyr | danners, it does not get old, it gets stable :) |
| 19:25.40 | jelly-home | bardyr: does the music box run a smb client or a smb daemon? |
| 19:25.47 | stoned | if you have the packages that provide the desktoppipng features and ease, you just install lenny, or upgrade to it, and get the packages that do all the stuff let em do their magic and voila |
| 19:25.48 | danners | stoned: it does when half of you hardware doesnt work with the stock kernel |
| 19:25.53 | bardyr | danners, SID, or Ubuntu is for people who want bleeding edge |
| 19:25.53 | stew | danners: debian gains people becuase this process makes for a very stable os |
| 19:25.56 | stoned | yoru system is fantasticularly easy to use |
| 19:25.58 | dustybin | debian isnt about trying get the most amount of people, its about stability |
| 19:26.12 | dustybin | and purism :D |
| 19:26.12 | Creepers | i just switched fromubuntu to debian |
| 19:26.14 | jelly-home | dustybin: no, debian is about free software and its users. |
| 19:26.15 | stoned | true, and I agree with all statements they all carry weight |
| 19:26.16 | enouf | bardyr: have you toyed with setting this on the fly as a test? http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt -- what about considering taskset, or numa=fake to confine shit, into users/groups - but for numa=fake, you need a 64bit cpu |
| 19:26.17 | bardyr | jelly, smb daemon, don't the use wont be limited to samba |
| 19:26.24 | dustybin | jelly-home: aye ok |
| 19:26.25 | stoned | but I'm saying, there are something we could perhaps make better? |
| 19:26.25 | Creepers | computer dosent support the new ubuntu releases |
| 19:26.27 | danners | stew: i know but for the users who use ubuntu, debian isn't suited |
| 19:26.30 | Creepers | and xubuntu is crap |
| 19:26.40 | jelly-home | bardyr: I'd renice smbd in the init script. |
| 19:26.45 | stew | danners: excellent |
| 19:27.28 | stoned | Imagine if we had the userbase ubuntu does, if even a fraction of them contributed to debian in some way we could be like totally awesome |
| 19:27.30 | dustybin | making apache use https is pretty easy, the hard part is creating the certs |
| 19:27.39 | jelly-home | bardyr: see if that helps... start-stop-daemon has an --nicelevel parameter |
| 19:27.55 | bardyr | enouf, looks interesting |
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| 19:28.08 | stoned | but anyway, I think I'll try to design a plan of action about making the desktopping in debian easy as ubuntu and then see who I ened to present that to |
| 19:28.13 | stoned | the powers that be |
| 19:28.16 | dustybin | this looks like a pretty dam good howto |
| 19:28.17 | dustybin | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 |
| 19:28.22 | EugenMayer | danners: wrong. SW gets old and it gets stable. And thats exactly why is use debian on every server i own |
| 19:28.56 | Creepers | ubuntu is easier to install |
| 19:28.58 | jelly-home | bardyr: next step would be to use a recent kernel with full preempt enabled (2.6.23 or newer have CFS scheduler which is supposed to help, or 2.6.22 with ck patchset) |
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| 19:29.06 | stoned | maybe a non-free meta package, that can be installed which depends on all the stuff one would need like flash, java, realplayer, quicktime, etc. etc. whatever you know |
| 19:29.08 | bardyr | jelly, kk, thanks, but i guess i just have to do it for each services and create some wrapper to renice the shell |
| 19:29.13 | Creepers | a gui installer and tons of people woiulkd switch to debian |
| 19:29.24 | Creepers | the installing is the hardest part |
| 19:29.28 | jelly-home | bardyr: uname -r? |
| 19:29.31 | simonrvn | Creepers: um, where do you think ubuntu got theirs? |
| 19:29.32 | stew | Creepers: are you having problems with the debian gui installer? |
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| 19:29.40 | stoned | hmm man I'm getting some ideas now |
| 19:29.49 | bardyr | jelly, yea the only problem is that its a very boring box to play with because everything takes ages |
| 19:29.54 | Creepers | oh |
| 19:30.02 | bardyr | jelly, 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 19:30.05 | Creepers | so i had problem with the gui probably |
| 19:30.06 | jelly-home | bardyr: you don't have to _build_ the kernel there! |
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| 19:30.15 | enouf | stoned: ubuntu and others like erm (one's that repackage/redistro already patched/made software) actually contribute much less to the kernel than all others - see GKH talks at google video about all those stats - interesting |
| 19:30.17 | stew | Creepers: you'll have to be more specific. what problems? |
| 19:30.20 | simonrvn | 'probably' |
| 19:30.29 | bardyr | jelly, yea but even installing a new kernel takes 15mins |
| 19:30.32 | Creepers | i had installed ubuntu in 1 go when i knew nothing about linudx but took me 3 tries to get debian working |
| 19:30.37 | dustybin | redhat contributes the most to the kernel? |
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| 19:30.49 | stew | Creepers: you'll have to be more specific if we are to be able to help you |
| 19:30.51 | jelly-home | beardy: do it in single-user mode; 128MB should be enough for dpkg to work nicely |
| 19:31.00 | danners | the awesome thing with ubuntu is that you in the default install have the most apps you need, in debian you have to install them yourself but thats a problem if you don't know them by names -> bad for new linux users |
| 19:31.02 | Creepers | stew, i was just adding stuff to stoned's conversation no problem right now |
| 19:31.13 | enouf | stoned: and if you made debian like ubuntu, what would there be a need for debian for? other than to make pkgs and maintain for others? i don't get you sometimes man |
| 19:31.17 | stew | lets take the ubuntu discussion elsewhere please |
| 19:31.38 | bardyr | jelly, booting takes 15mins also :) |
| 19:31.42 | Creepers | hehe, enouf you have a point there |
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| 19:31.56 | simonrvn | it's also ignorant, which is ticking me off |
| 19:31.58 | bardyr | jelly, but it runs great :) |
| 19:32.01 | stoned | enouf, no I was saying, that if say all those people who use buntu use debian, and then even a fraction fo that userbase contributes to the actual debian itself project will be great |
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| 19:32.04 | jelly-home | bardyr: that's overly long; trim the services |
| 19:32.05 | Creepers | ubutntu is trying to be more like winbdows and .... |
| 19:32.15 | stoned | enouf, thats gonna be more people doing stuff for debian |
| 19:32.16 | Creepers | in the end why not use windows? |
| 19:33.02 | dustybin | </ubuntu.talk> |
| 19:33.41 | jelly-home | bardyr: ck patchset had pretty much amazing effects on my previous 500MHz laptop; then again, putting in 320MB instead of 128MB did as well |
| 19:34.03 | stoned | well I'm trying to package the stuff missing in debian that is in Ubuntu ME, muslim edition, like prayer time stuff, some other islamic specific software |
| 19:34.18 | stoned | debian-me package, :D will isntall those utils |
| 19:34.24 | stoned | or something I dunno yet, sitll working onit |
| 19:34.28 | bardyr | jelly, yea but im probably buying some fancy SSD disk and add a 1gb ram to it soon, that should fix most problems |
| 19:34.30 | Creepers | lol |
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| 19:34.51 | jelly-home | bardyr: dunno about ssd, but the memory will likely help |
| 19:34.56 | danners | i run lenny on a P3 laptop with 128 MB ram and it runs fine (as long as you don't need X stuff) |
| 19:35.02 | _empty | After installing apache2 does it autoload it to start when the server does? |
| 19:35.21 | stoned | danners, I ran too on a 866mhz 128mb ram p3 |
| 19:35.23 | enouf | bardyr: killed all unneeded services from ever running? |
| 19:35.26 | bardyr | danners, with a 200mhz cpu? |
| 19:35.32 | jelly-home | danners: bardyr seems to be running a crapload of untuned services |
| 19:35.34 | danners | 500 mhz |
| 19:35.39 | stoned | _empty, i think post inst script take care of restarting apache |
| 19:35.44 | bardyr | enouf, yea |
| 19:35.56 | Creepers | oi since i am in debian support channel, the mouse moves Very slow even when i have increased the sinsitivity to maximum and the ecceleration, missing drivers or osmething like that? |
| 19:35.57 | _empty | stoned: How do you mean? |
| 19:35.59 | dustybin | are there any other distros what go through as much rigorous testing as debian and redhat? |
| 19:36.04 | jelly-home | bardyr: which cpu is this? pentium mmx? p-pro? P2? |
| 19:36.04 | enouf | bardyr: i've used linux on 128M with a light X wm, ran fine - i mean all these 15min things sounds like you're swapping to shit |
| 19:36.09 | bardyr | jelly, im just running mysql, mpd, smb, apache |
| 19:36.10 | stoned | _empty, maybe not, cuz you have to enable the mod and then restart apache |
| 19:36.19 | bardyr | jelly, vortex89 |
| 19:36.26 | enouf | or .. even like running from a liveCD |
| 19:36.28 | jelly-home | bardyr: mips? |
| 19:36.35 | bardyr | jelly, idk |
| 19:36.40 | _empty | stoned: How do I do it? Been googleing about it, cant find anything |
| 19:36.56 | jelly-home | bardyr: pastebin /proc/cpuinfo just for fun |
| 19:37.01 | bardyr | jelly, but the box is 2cm * 5cm* 4cm |
| 19:37.03 | stoned | _empty, you want to restat apache? |
| 19:37.10 | stoned | _empty, /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 19:37.14 | jelly-home | bardyr: it might be able to run a -686 kernel, perhaps |
| 19:37.15 | _empty | stoned: No, i want it to start when the server stats |
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| 19:37.24 | _empty | If i reboot the server, i want apache to start auto |
| 19:37.36 | enouf | bardyr: erm, that's not even big enouf to hold 1 DIMM :-P |
| 19:37.37 | stoned | _empty that should happen automtically unless you disabled it |
| 19:37.44 | enouf | s/enouf/enough |
| 19:37.44 | _empty | stoned: Thanks |
| 19:37.50 | Cezzar | Hi, I have a line in /etc/hosts.deny that looks like this: "All: IP IP IP IP", the 'IP |
| 19:37.58 | Cezzar | Hi, I have a line in /etc/hosts.deny that looks like this: "All: IP IP IP IP", the 'IP' being IP addresses, and it is failing to block the list of addresses |
| 19:38.00 | bardyr | jelly, http://pastebin.com/m3f17fc1b and thats all |
| 19:38.03 | Cezzar | what have I done wrong? |
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| 19:38.07 | jelly-home | bardyr: I hope you've limited initial number of apache processes, and whatever needs to be done with mysql to bheave |
| 19:38.12 | enouf | how can you add 1G of RAM? |
| 19:38.20 | bardyr | jelly, i only run 1 apache process :D |
| 19:38.25 | stoned | enouf, spend $9.95 |
| 19:38.26 | stoned | ? |
| 19:38.30 | jelly-home | bardyr: eh, no 686 then :-) |
| 19:38.31 | Cezzar | is it not proper syntax to space separate ip addresses in hosts.deny? |
| 19:38.39 | enouf | stoned: wow are you lost |
| 19:38.40 | bardyr | enouf, it uses laptop ram |
| 19:38.43 | zinx | Cezzar: commas |
| 19:38.53 | Cezzar | ok |
| 19:38.58 | jelly-home | bardyr: it's barely a P5! |
| 19:39.02 | enouf | oh? so-dimms? come in all funky shapes/sizes? |
| 19:39.08 | bardyr | enouf, yea |
| 19:39.16 | enouf | ok, cram it in! |
| 19:40.10 | bardyr | jelly, it 100 times faster then the PIC microcontrollers i work with :) |
| 19:40.22 | bardyr | or at least 5 times faster :/ |
| 19:40.47 | jelly-home | bardyr: yeah, it's probably faster than my C64 too. |
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| 19:41.13 | enouf | for kicks, have you tried implementing cifs over smbfs? not that it matters, i don't know .. |
| 19:41.14 | bardyr | jelly, but it runs great when its first booted and done with all IO |
| 19:41.25 | enouf | not faster than my p150 though! |
| 19:41.41 | bardyr | enouf, should 2 samba's not be faster? |
| 19:41.44 | enouf | 20 seconds to desktop :-) |
| 19:42.07 | enouf | bardyr: only if they tango and do the chacha |
| 19:42.25 | jelly-home | bardyr: well. a custom kernel would probably help a bit, if nothing, it'd shorten the bootup time if everything is compiled in ;-) |
| 19:42.37 | bardyr | enouf, samba to samba uses a optimized cifs protocol |
| 19:42.58 | bardyr | jelly, yea but im not compiling a kernel on that box |
| 19:43.05 | enouf | no idea, never touch the stuff |
| 19:43.08 | jelly-home | bardyr: you don't need to. |
| 19:43.17 | enouf | cross-compile! |
| 19:43.18 | jelly-home | bardyr: just configure it there. :-) |
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| 19:43.33 | bardyr | thats for pussies :D |
| 19:43.36 | jelly-home | enouf: it's not cross compilation when both machines are x86 |
| 19:43.53 | enouf | jelly-home: oh, i thought you mentioned not x86 arch |
| 19:43.55 | jelly-home | bardyr: oh, then deal with skippage :-P |
| 19:44.14 | enouf | iread it wrong, it is, just not 686 i guess you said |
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| 19:44.36 | jelly-home | it's like a P5-MMX only less so |
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| 19:44.58 | jelly-home | enouf: his cpuinfo is somewhere above ^^ |
| 19:45.05 | enouf | well .. then bardyr also try a -686 kernel anyway :-p just boot one and see what happens :-P |
| 19:45.21 | jelly-home | won't be able to boot it |
| 19:45.22 | bardyr | enouf, -686 wont boot |
| 19:45.22 | enouf | jelly-home: aye, i never looked at the pastebin ... |
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| 19:45.26 | enouf | ouch |
| 19:45.27 | Mik1977|| | Hi to all! |
| 19:45.32 | Mik1977|| | Ne1 can help me? |
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| 19:45.45 | jelly-home | !tell Mik1977|| -about ask |
| 19:45.54 | enouf | kexec! |
| 19:45.59 | norbert_ | hi all, using finch :( |
| 19:46.14 | norbert_ | bitchx is no longer available via apt, it seems |
| 19:46.15 | Mik1977|| | I have debian with php 5.2.0-8+etch13 but for install roundcube 0.2 stable is needed php 5.2.1 |
| 19:46.18 | Mik1977|| | I think.... |
| 19:46.23 | Mik1977|| | How can I do? |
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| 19:46.24 | jelly-home | norbert_: irssi! |
| 19:46.35 | stew | norbert_: yes, it was plagued with security problems for many years, and nobody was fixing them |
| 19:47.05 | norbert_ | ok |
| 19:47.19 | norbert_ | I just installed the latest testing |
| 19:47.31 | norbert_ | and unfortunately, X isn't working properly |
| 19:47.33 | enouf | wow, they even saved on the scotch tape on that CPU ... heh |
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| 19:48.09 | norbert_ | I used to have the X Window System 7.1.1, now it is X Server 1.4.2 |
| 19:48.13 | norbert_ | and it freezes X |
| 19:48.16 | enouf | norbert_: you did a full install? from scratch? |
| 19:48.21 | bardyr | enouf, yea if only the box didn't cost 300 usd |
| 19:48.31 | norbert_ | hi again enouf :) yes, I did a full install from scratch |
| 19:48.40 | enouf | didn't we just upgrade your kernel from -486 -> -686 b/c you added 2G of RAM? |
| 19:48.50 | norbert_ | I've had this problem before when I tried to install testing or even the stable versions for Ubuntu |
| 19:48.52 | enouf | bardyr: yikes |
| 19:49.08 | bardyr | enouf, at least i didn't buy it :D |
| 19:49.13 | enouf | heh |
| 19:49.21 | norbert_ | and I thought I could fix it by saving my old xorg.conf, but whichever one I use, X still freezes |
| 19:49.52 | bardyr | norbert_, install ubuntu :D |
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| 19:49.54 | norbert_ | the card I use is a Rdeon 9250 |
| 19:50.09 | norbert_ | bardyr: no, Ubuntu always freezes X, even the stable versions |
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| 19:50.13 | Mik1977|| | How can I do for view the versione of package? |
| 19:50.19 | Mik1977|| | Which the correct string? |
| 19:50.25 | bardyr | norbert_, are you using the official ati.com driver? |
| 19:50.25 | enouf | also, that -5-486 was old and a secrurity risk? and i mentioned /msg dpkg dsa1571 and made sure you had security lines in sources |
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| 19:50.35 | norbert_ | Debian works fine with the stable version, but I'm trying the latest testing to see if it'll work when it becomes the new stable |
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| 19:50.44 | jelly-home | Mik1977||: /msg dpkg version |
| 19:50.51 | jelly-home | !it |
| 19:50.51 | eyeris | What happened to the boot-floppies package in etch? |
| 19:50.51 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:51.02 | Doonz | hey all. how do i remove x-server from my box |
| 19:51.07 | stew | norbert_: show us our /etc/X11/org.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:51.13 | norbert_ | enouf: yes, we did, and now I've installed the latest testing |
| 19:51.18 | enouf | ok |
| 19:51.27 | enouf | !remove xorg |
| 19:51.28 | norbert_ | stew: I can't really use that, because I have no X |
| 19:51.32 | enouf | !remove x |
| 19:51.32 | dpkg | remove x is probably "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
| 19:51.46 | stew | norbert_: you can't use what? |
| 19:51.47 | jelly-home | meh, aptitude purge = fail |
| 19:51.50 | enouf | hrm, not the metapackage xorg? |
| 19:51.57 | brainsail | how do I get a list of all installed packages with just the names and nothing else? |
| 19:52.04 | norbert_ | stew: pastebin, via lynx; no mouse in the console |
| 19:52.18 | jelly-home | enouf: install the metapackage, but remove the lowest library; |
| 19:52.26 | enouf | norbert_: pipe the output to | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 19:52.29 | stew | norbert_: you don't need a mouse, http://paste.debian.net has an upload box where you can upload a file |
| 19:52.32 | enouf | norbert_: install nc |
| 19:52.35 | enouf | prior |
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| 19:53.02 | enouf | jelly-home: i see .. ok, so long as it's not older info that requires updating |
| 19:53.10 | stew | that should maybe be removing something like xserver-xorg instead. someone might not want to, for instance, remove stuff like imagemagick which depends on x11-common |
| 19:53.18 | jelly-home | brainsail: /msg dpkg installed |
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| 19:53.45 | jelly-home | stew: meh, clean it up and reinstall later! |
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| 19:54.02 | enouf | hear hear! |
| 19:54.24 | mran | Hi to everyone |
| 19:54.26 | enouf | hrm .. or is it here here! :-) |
| 19:54.36 | norbert_ | enouf: there is no package nc? |
| 19:54.45 | enouf | norbert_: netcat .. one second |
| 19:54.49 | norbert_ | mc I think, midnight commander? |
| 19:54.53 | brainsail | jelly-home, what does that mean? |
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| 19:55.03 | Doonz | its ok i want my box to be completly headless. its a remote server but cause i was new with debian i installed a gui so i could remote desktop into it. now its not needed |
| 19:55.08 | enouf | norbert_: called netcat |
| 19:55.17 | enouf | norbert_: pkgname - binary is nc |
| 19:55.31 | enouf | norbert_: just like mc |
| 19:55.31 | norbert_ | ok |
| 19:55.40 | enouf | i mean, naming convention wiase |
| 19:55.43 | jelly-home | brainsail: type that into your irc client, and "dpkg" the bot will send you a private message with a response to your question |
| 19:55.49 | enouf | s/waise/wise |
| 19:56.06 | enouf | s/wiase/waise/wise |
| 19:56.14 | jelly-home | !enouf |
| 19:56.14 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 19:56.37 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:56.54 | brainsail | jelly-home, thanks, I did it and didn't see the private message :) |
| 19:57.02 | jelly-home | ah |
| 19:57.06 | norbert_ | but this is problematic, when testing becomes stable all people who have the same graphics card will have a problem |
| 19:57.15 | enouf | all? |
| 19:57.25 | norbert_ | well, it freezes after a default install |
| 19:57.39 | enouf | norbert_: bug reports are welcomed ;-) actually. installation reports are - even if they go smoothy |
| 19:57.51 | enouf | s/smoothy/smoothly |
| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | norbert_: have you looked at the bugs for xserver-xorg-video-radeon or xserver-xorg packages? |
| 19:58.03 | stew | norbert_: no, there are planty of people sucessfully using that card |
| 19:58.23 | norbert_ | stew: I was too, but as soon as I try testing or Ubuntu, X freezes |
| 19:58.25 | enouf | which card? i missed it .. :-/ |
| 19:58.32 | jelly-home | radeon 9250 |
| 19:58.33 | norbert_ | Radeon 9250 |
| 19:58.43 | enouf | wow - old, works, yeah |
| 19:58.47 | stew | actually i'm using one here |
| 19:59.02 | norbert_ | stew: with testing? |
| 19:59.21 | norbert_ | Debian stable works fine |
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| 19:59.43 | enouf | norbert_: hrm .. DejaVu .. can you show me if lsmod | grep edac outputs anything? |
| 20:00.04 | norbert_ | enouf: nothing |
| 20:00.07 | enouf | norbert_: also, inquire in #radeon about possible gotchas/tweaks ? |
| 20:00.13 | enouf | norbert_: thought so - ok - thanks |
| 20:00.23 | enouf | what is that ?? ... gah .. one sec |
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| 20:01.33 | enouf | dammit, what's that gxxxx thing that's supposed to be like kqemu is to qemu for radeon 9xxx series mostly? |
| 20:01.34 | norbert_ | enouf: there's no on in #radeon |
| 20:01.43 | norbert_ | +e |
| 20:01.55 | enouf | norbert_: you misspelled it or something |
| 20:02.18 | norbert_ | I didn't |
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| 20:02.28 | meyou | norbert_: you did. |
| 20:02.36 | enouf | you're going to make me /j to prove it? |
| 20:02.37 | meyou | #radeon has tons of people in it |
| 20:02.42 | meyou | i just /j'd it |
| 20:02.56 | norbert_ | [21:02] [@Guest327(+i) [2:debian/#radeon(+nt)] [Act: 1] |
| 20:03.32 | enouf | wrong network? on this network norbert_ |
| 20:03.35 | norbert_ | maybe this isn't irc.debian.org? |
| 20:03.40 | enouf | no, it's not |
| 20:03.45 | enouf | this is freenode.net |
| 20:03.51 | norbert_ | ok *grrr* I hate not having a graphical interface |
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| 20:03.55 | meyou | debian.org used to be a freenode server i think |
| 20:04.09 | enouf | i have one, and i'm still confused which one i'm in sometimes ;-) |
| 20:04.11 | norbert_ | I really like vim and xterm's for coding and such, but not for web stuff |
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| 20:04.37 | th0ger | Is it possibly to setup network some aliases on a local machine, such that fx 'google' looks up 'google.com'? (the ip is dynamic) |
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| 20:04.42 | zc | do you need root to change your iptables rules? |
| 20:04.43 | enouf | i have my tabs. left for freenode, on the right for debian.org |
| 20:05.28 | enouf | norbert_: i even use /time sometimes, to help remind me ;-) |
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| 20:06.43 | enouf | norbert_: can't you use the vesa driver in the meantime for X? |
| 20:07.06 | norbert_ | I remember someone asking me that very same thing a while back, when I tried Ubuntu (or testing) |
| 20:07.19 | enouf | norbert_: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log will give you some info about which driver |
| 20:07.20 | norbert_ | and that didn't help, for some reason it still freezes with vesa |
| 20:07.42 | enouf | norbert_: what is that? a Desktop? oh yeah, an AMD Sempron? 2xxx? |
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| 20:07.55 | enouf | is it an AMD64 Sempron? |
| 20:08.28 | enouf | might that be the last of the -k7? hrmm |
| 20:08.49 | enouf | !k7 |
| 20:08.49 | dpkg | hmm... k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 20:09.10 | norbert_ | AMD Sempron 2600+, 1603.659 MHz |
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| 20:09.38 | enouf | oh wow - i missed there wasn't a 64 there last time .. sorry |
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| 20:09.53 | stew | norbert_: yes, i'm using a 9250 with testing |
| 20:09.59 | enouf | still ,... i cannot believe - wait, i have an AMD64 s754 which takes/uses DDR400 .. wtf? |
| 20:10.21 | enouf | norbert_: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:10.52 | norbert_ | and then what? :) |
| 20:10.53 | enouf | norbert_: 'uname -r' says? |
| 20:10.57 | enouf | norbert_: show me |
| 20:10.58 | norbert_ | I can't simply copy-paste that |
| 20:11.00 | enouf | both |
| 20:11.06 | enouf | norbert_: upload it? |
| 20:11.12 | enouf | pipe it to nc? |
| 20:11.12 | norbert_ | man, this sucks :) |
| 20:11.13 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:11.13 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 20:11.33 | enouf | norbert_: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:11.33 | norbert_ | I have to wget that .pl ? |
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| 20:11.55 | enouf | apt-get install netcat |
| 20:12.20 | norbert_ | http://rafb.net/p/HAxZJz62.html |
| 20:12.24 | enouf | heck, might as well cat /proc/cpuinfo ;-) |
| 20:12.53 | enouf | ahh crap -- they lie! lm 3dnowext 3dnow up lahf_lm |
| 20:13.09 | enouf | i think you got one of those fake ones... oh ffs |
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| 20:14.24 | norbert_ | someone in #radeon suggests I add AGPMode x to xorg.conf |
| 20:14.36 | norbert_ | where x is 1/2/4 or 8 |
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| 20:15.21 | enouf | "- - Attention ! - - Attention ! Remarked CPUs : For judgment of the fake CPUs in the SocketA We found it in Finland,Moscow,Czech,France,USA, and Germany. The Analysis of the Remarked CPUs We clarified the technique of the modification in the Remarked Sempron processors. You should not buy the Sempron2800+ The shipment from AMD of the SocketA Sempron has already stopped." |
| 20:15.32 | enouf | http://fab51.com/index-e.html |
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| 20:16.41 | norbert_ | I'm going to give that a try, that AGPMode thing; might lock X up again and I'll have to reboot |
| 20:16.46 | enouf | sure |
| 20:17.05 | enouf | norbert_: do you also have Onboard Video? |
| 20:17.07 | norbert_ | 2600+ is what I have, by the way, not a 2800+ |
| 20:17.16 | enouf | norbert_: is it disabled in the BIOS? |
| 20:17.21 | norbert_ | yes, but that card also freezes X |
| 20:17.22 | enouf | norbert_: follow the links and read |
| 20:17.35 | norbert_ | look for "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" via Google |
| 20:17.38 | norbert_ | and look for my name :) |
| 20:17.41 | enouf | it's not only the 2800, afaik |
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| 20:17.55 | enouf | i have that SAME MOBO! |
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| 20:18.10 | enouf | but it takes a s754! AMD64 3000+ |
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| 20:18.22 | enouf | well, same chipset |
| 20:18.40 | enouf | norbert_: have you tried the -openchrome Xorg driver with it? |
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| 20:19.11 | someonetestingcr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.35 | torshido | hi, where can I find the viewcvs web page for Debian's cvs repos? |
| 20:22.45 | Tramp | someonetestingcr: not that I know of, but why would you want to set it before X starts anyways? |
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| 20:24.03 | orflon | hello, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, works when I edit xorg.conf, so I don't need to restart X? |
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| 20:25.44 | someonetestingcr | Tramp: Because I have a livecd which sets the dpi wrongly, so I want to boot with the correct settings |
| 20:26.07 | someonetestingcr | another way could be to find a way to look into the squasfs, change it there and reburn the cd |
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| 20:27.22 | norbert_ | seriously you guys (<- that was in a Cartman voice) |
| 20:27.25 | Tramp | someonetestingcr: ok, I see the problem. I'm afraid I don't know of a way to set it "outside" this live CD. |
| 20:27.26 | norbert_ | WHY is this so difficult? |
| 20:27.35 | norbert_ | why can't I just install Debian testing and use X? |
| 20:27.51 | norbert_ | why does this happen? |
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| 20:28.20 | jelly-home | norbert_: you'll get better help if you look for a relevant bug report, and file a bug if it's not there |
| 20:28.20 | norbert_ | I know I'll go back to stable later this evening |
| 20:28.35 | norbert_ | but then there will still be a bug in testing and I can only hope it'll be fixed before testing becomes stable |
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| 20:28.47 | stew | norbert_: when you say it is frozen, what do you mean? can you switch vts? do you get a mouse cursor? can you kill x with ctrl-alt-bksp? |
| 20:28.51 | stew | norbert_: can you show us the log? |
| 20:28.55 | jelly-home | norbert_: it's better than not having anyone working on it at all |
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| 20:29.21 | norbert_ | stew: I can move the mouse cursor, but it's a 'shocking' movement and I can't use Ctrl-1 or Ctrl-2 and so on to go to a console |
| 20:29.37 | norbert_ | Ctrl-alt-bksp also doesn't work |
| 20:29.55 | jelly-home | norbert_: have you pastebinned your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf already? |
| 20:29.56 | stew | norbert_: yould use "ctrl-alt-f1" or "ctrl-alt-f2" to go to a console |
| 20:30.08 | norbert_ | and there are strangely colored lines on the screen; not always though, I made a photo of it with my digital camera, but I can't get that one to mount (even though USB sticks do with with /dev/sda1) |
| 20:30.25 | norbert_ | stew: yes, ctrl-ALT-1/2/... is what I meant |
| 20:30.44 | norbert_ | jelly-home: no, not yet, I'll do that now |
| 20:30.54 | stew | norbert_: you'd use "ctrl-alt-f1" to get to a console, not "ctrl-1" or "ctrl-alt-1" |
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| 20:31.04 | norbert_ | yeah :| |
| 20:31.10 | norbert_ | F1/2/... |
| 20:31.21 | norbert_ | that is what I used |
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| 20:31.29 | norbert_ | I should be very specific |
| 20:31.57 | norbert_ | otherwise you might think I tried the wrong thing(s), my bad |
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| 20:32.55 | jelly-home | norbert_: unfortuntately we sometimes presume the user is a clueless newb. Please bear with us. |
| 20:33.48 | norbert_ | can anyone tell me how I can reconfigure X? |
| 20:33.49 | norbert_ | I tried X -configure and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:33.59 | norbert_ | but neither of those allow me to choose cards or screens/BPP and so on |
| 20:34.10 | norbert_ | they either generate something or they only ask about my keyboard and such |
| 20:34.23 | newsense | im trying to write some egrep regular expressions but \d doesnt seem to equal a digit \w works for alnum characters is there somewhere i have to enable the use of it ? |
| 20:34.23 | stew | norbert_: that is epected |
| 20:34.24 | stew | expected* |
| 20:34.43 | norbert_ | stew: okay, so there is no way but to use vim (or another editor) to add/modify screens and cards? |
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| 20:35.03 | stew | norbert_: correct |
| 20:35.21 | stew | norbert_: well, or you can use xrandr to change the configuration at runtime |
| 20:35.26 | stew | (non-persistently) |
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| 20:35.41 | jberg | err, what do you write in ghci so i can use toUpper? and where do you check that on net, where toUpper belongs? |
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| 20:36.05 | jberg | oops, sorry wrong window |
| 20:36.17 | norbert_ | stew: isn't that Windows-like, to autodetect, even though I could very precisely tell X what monitor and graphics card I have? |
| 20:36.35 | stew | norbert_: i don't know much about windows |
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| 20:38.10 | norbert_ | Windows is known for autodetecting stuff and assuming what is being detected is correct; if it's not, the user can't easily tell the system to use other drivers |
| 20:38.14 | danners | doesn't X take the configuration from xorg.conf if there is something in it ? so it is possible to specify options |
| 20:38.54 | JyZyXEL | wtf i transfer data to my debian box and SSH gets all laggy |
| 20:38.54 | ringo999 | anybody using ekiga, when I start it i get error message that some other app was already using the ports... |
| 20:38.55 | stew | danners: yes |
| 20:38.58 | JyZyXEL | and this is LAN |
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| 20:39.03 | stew | norbert_: you can easily tell the system to use other drivers |
| 20:39.05 | norbert_ | and I know I can edit xorg.conf, but I used to be able to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to select a card from a list |
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| 20:40.05 | norbert_ | ringo999: I'm using ekiga |
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| 20:40.32 | ringo999 | norbert_: do you know what this error message is about? which version are you using? |
| 20:40.34 | norbert_ | ringo999: maybe linphone is already using those ports, if you tried that app or you need to open ports in the firewall |
| 20:40.59 | norbert_ | ringo999: I compiled the very latest version myself |
| 20:41.09 | norbert_ | which, by the way, is what destroyed my Debian stable system :P |
| 20:41.26 | norbert_ | (because I installed glib/gtk+ and so on in /usr/ instead of /usr/local; and gnome started crahsing on me) |
| 20:41.37 | ringo999 | norbert_: i guess its the ports in the firewall (on the router?). Also, when using the configuration assistant, i get no response on the NAT conf part.. |
| 20:41.37 | norbert_ | crashing even |
| 20:41.58 | Creepers | y_y |
| 20:42.00 | ringo999 | norbert_: ok I will try to compile myself... |
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| 20:42.33 | norbert_ | so, I'm going to restart here |
| 20:42.34 | stew | ringo999: why are you going to compile it yourself? |
| 20:42.46 | norbert_ | I'll run X -configure and go from there |
| 20:43.15 | ringo999 | stew: to get the latest version, right now i have some 2.x packaged version... |
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| 20:43.28 | ringo999 | stew: but there is already a 3.0 version out there |
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| 20:43.35 | Roland- | hmz hello. |
| 20:43.44 | ringo999 | stew: or do you have a better idea? |
| 20:43.47 | Roland- | 5.0 still beta? |
| 20:43.49 | norbert_ | yeah, stable is stone age |
| 20:44.00 | norbert_ | 3.0 has a million new options |
| 20:44.05 | stew | ringo999: it is not going to be easy to install the 3.0 version becuause it needs a gtk not available for stable |
| 20:44.28 | ringo999 | stew: hmmm |
| 20:44.30 | stew | Roland-: debian 5.0? yes |
| 20:44.30 | norbert_ | ringo999/stew: in fact, I just said I installed gtk+/glib and so on, and I destroyed my system :) |
| 20:44.42 | Roland- | lenny :) |
| 20:44.44 | ringo999 | norbert_: uff :-( |
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| 20:44.46 | stew | ringo999: wait, what version of debian are you running |
| 20:44.50 | norbert_ | ringo999: so, either stick with 2.x or install testing or go with Ubuntu |
| 20:44.50 | stew | ringo999: /mgs dpkg lenny status |
| 20:45.33 | stew | ringo999: on, lenny status was not for you |
| 20:45.36 | norbert_ | (/me is going to startx; might crash irc & stuff) |
| 20:45.38 | stew | Roland-: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 20:45.56 | zc | how can i see the location the binary that runs from the netstat output? |
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| 20:47.07 | ringo999 | stew: lenny |
| 20:47.22 | stew | ringo999: oh, in that case you can install the 3.x package from experimental |
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| 20:48.03 | Roland- | what kernel does 4.0r6 have |
| 20:48.04 | ringo999 | stew: em. how do i do that again? im still quite new to debian/linux |
| 20:48.15 | Quendus_ | too many sheep telling me I should download ubuntu! |
| 20:48.20 | Quendus_ | someone give me a second opinion |
| 20:48.25 | Muffin | Hello! I am having an xorg.conf problem, I think. My effective screen size, according to xwininfo, is 1600x980, but my actual screen size (the stuff I can see) is 1200x980. I would like it if the effective size filled my screen. |
| 20:48.32 | ringo999 | norbert_: ubuntu is not an option ;-) |
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| 20:51.03 | Samb1 | hi anyone know how to get dvds working in debian? like with vlc or gxine? is libdvdcss included with vlc in etch? |
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| 20:51.16 | craigevil | ringo999: add experimental to your /etc/apt/sources.list then run aptitude update , aptitude install -t experimental packagename |
| 20:51.55 | ringo999 | craigevil: ok |
| 20:52.06 | Muffin | ...except if I change my xorg.conf to 1200x980, when I run xinit the screen goes completely black. |
| 20:53.00 | craigevil | Samb1: use debian-multimedia.org's repo or the vlc repo to install libdvdcss |
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| 20:53.09 | janimati | hello |
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| 20:53.55 | norbert_ | ok, that was another freeze; I should have a nice /var/log/X... thing now |
| 20:54.38 | norbert_ | how can I use that nc again? |
| 20:54.54 | janimati | hello i have problem new debian (lenny) dont find my video card dpkg-reconfigure configure only keyboard. help!!!! |
| 20:55.25 | norbert_ | hehe, that looks familiar |
| 20:55.35 | enouf | norbert_: in Lenny, X is autoconfigured, but still will accept all entries in man xorg.conf |
| 20:55.47 | enouf | into it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
| 20:55.56 | norbert_ | enouf: can you tell me how to nc to pastbin again? |
| 20:56.12 | norbert_ | then I'll up my Xorg.0.log there |
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| 20:56.25 | norbert_ | I just did rm -r /var/log/Xorg* |
| 20:56.26 | enouf | norbert_: i'd like to see what cat /proc/interrupts ; cat /proc/iomem ; cat /proc/mtrr looks like, as well as dmesg |
| 20:56.33 | enouf | in /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:56.33 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:56.33 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 20:56.40 | norbert_ | and after that ran startx; worked a bit and had another freeze |
| 20:56.45 | norbert_ | jelly-home: thx |
| 20:56.50 | enouf | dpkg just said ther e ..ok |
| 20:56.50 | dpkg | enouf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 20:57.43 | vn | how comes a process can do an arp request if it's due to some request that isn't for him, but an a non-existent IP? |
| 20:58.02 | simonrvn | dpkg: no, he can't |
| 20:58.02 | dpkg | simonrvn: i haven't a clue |
| 20:58.11 | janimati | yyy |
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| 20:58.40 | enouf | norbert_: i'm no xorg guru, and others here know more about it than i even, however, if you really want it fixed, you should deal with Debian only, and the debian-x mailing list / channel.. otherwise, go upstream to xorg/xorg-devel and compile from their git and post info to them |
| 20:58.40 | simonrvn | becausebecausebecause |
| 20:58.46 | Roland- | where can I get lenny installer? |
| 20:58.55 | norbert_ | enouf: this should be all those things :) http://rafb.net/p/tcnmHl58.html |
| 20:58.57 | simonrvn | at the debian web site |
| 20:58.58 | enouf | !lenny netinstall |
| 20:58.58 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:59.00 | janimati | x.org.conf on my computer is very empty, graphic card is generic dev, |
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| 20:59.35 | enouf | norbert_: ok, give me some time to review |
| 20:59.37 | norbert_ | that was a: cat /proc/interrupts /proc/iomem /proc/mtrr dmesg Xorg.0.log | nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:59.43 | norbert_ | enouf: ok |
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| 21:00.59 | vn | for everyone that helped me this morning, thanks again, I solved say... 80% of my system lag issue |
| 21:01.01 | janimati | what command run a graphic server when i edit xorg conf and rebot a graphic mode doesnt work |
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| 21:01.28 | hark | norbert_: try setting a different agp mode instead of 8 |
| 21:01.31 | vn | I had my old server IP in resolv.conf and it was receiving snmp traps not destined to the new snpd |
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| 21:02.08 | Yamakiri | Hello, can I have some help? I know my password, and just to make sure I typed it right I got out the piece of paper I have it written on, but even after 15 attempts, I cannot login to my computer. Anyone know what to do? Root password is the same as my user password, but neither will work via PuTTY or the GUI login |
| 21:02.10 | norbert_ | hark: hum... I got the same suggestion in #radeon; will give that a try |
| 21:02.51 | norbert_ | hark: it's currently not set at all, by the way; has a # in front of it |
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| 21:02.55 | newsense | hmm whats the app called to create a fat filesystem ? |
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| 21:03.33 | Yamakiri | I was trying PuTTY before I restarted it, as it was waaaay too slow to work via the terminal, but I couldn't input the password correctly there either. I had to use SysRQ keys to restart it, but now I can't log back in |
| 21:03.39 | hark | norbert_: or set BusType to pci first to check |
| 21:03.50 | norbert_ | newsense: dosfstools, I think; that package is what you need |
| 21:03.56 | hark | norbert_: check the man page for the right syntax |
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| 21:04.10 | newsense | thanks buddy |
| 21:04.40 | Yamakiri | anyone else ever have this problem or know how to resolve it? |
| 21:05.06 | Muffin | Yamakiri: How long ago did you set up your password? |
| 21:05.12 | norbert_ | hark: ehm... "to check" what? |
| 21:05.19 | Yamakiri | Muffin: about two or three months ago |
| 21:05.20 | Muffin | Could you have typed it in wrong the first time? |
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| 21:05.42 | Yamakiri | no, because I'd just logged in within the week |
| 21:05.43 | Muffin | And it's worked fine until today? Is caps lock on? Can you type it in visible text on your screen and then copy/paste it into the password field? |
| 21:06.11 | Yamakiri | caps lock is off, and the only place I could type it in plaintext would be the username field |
| 21:06.13 | hark | norbert_: whether it |
| 21:06.18 | lunartear | what do you guys use to diff a local directory with a remote directory? I thought I read somewhere awhile back that diff itself has this capability |
| 21:06.30 | hark | norbert_: whether it's an agp issue or not |
| 21:06.57 | norbert_ | hark: ok, I tried man xorg, but it doesn't have much on BusType |
| 21:06.59 | Yamakiri | typed it in plaintext, copied/pasted it into the password field, and it didn't work :( |
| 21:07.15 | norbert_ | hark: only something related to -isolateDevice |
| 21:07.19 | hark | norbert_: man radeon |
| 21:07.30 | norbert_ | oh ok |
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| 21:07.35 | ringo999 | when i try to install ekiga 3+ experimental i get the message that evolution-data-center is required but not available :-( |
| 21:07.49 | norbert_ | that would be Option "BusType" "PCI" then |
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| 21:08.15 | hark | yeah |
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| 21:08.44 | Muffin | Well, damn. I dunno then. |
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| 21:08.52 | Yamakiri | Thanks then :S |
| 21:08.54 | norbert_ | enouf/hark: I'm going to try X again with BusType PCI; maybe I'll need to restart the pc; in that case I'll be back soon |
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| 21:11.16 | lunartear | really? no suggestions? |
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| 21:12.42 | Quendus_ | also: Angband is now completely gpl and should be included in distros! |
| 21:12.42 | Muffin | does not attempt to diff local directories and remote directories. |
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| 21:13.11 | Muffin | Anyone good at X around? |
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| 21:13.56 | hark | ringo999: what does apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy evolution-data-server say? pastebin it |
| 21:14.14 | ringo999 | hark: it works onw, thanks |
| 21:14.16 | norbert_ | hark/enouf: not freezing yet; trying more insane stuff |
| 21:14.32 | enouf | norbert_: hi, listen, i want you to boot adding the vga=791 kernel param to your grub kernel line (and remove the 'quiet') - so it looks like-> root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791 |
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| 21:15.49 | abrotman | Quendus_: file a bug/RFP |
| 21:15.56 | enouf | norbert_: well .. also, listen, i recall those 40G Maxtor HDDs, and there was a bug in their firmware that made them flake out in umda6 (133) mode, maybe use hdparm and set it to udma5 (100) - just a thought, last resort thing |
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| 21:17.02 | norbert_ | enouf: I'm trying to get it to freeze again with BusType PCI |
| 21:17.15 | enouf | i know, .. how does a HDD affect video? well .. in various ways, if the data is corrupted, listen - since all these resets, when have you last ran fsck? although, you just did a new install today, i know |
| 21:17.32 | norbert_ | hark: did you ask me to try the BusType PCI thing because you think it might stop the freezing or to make the X log give other output? |
| 21:17.53 | enouf | norbert_: have you checked your BIOS for possible other things concerning the OnBoard graphics? like Aperture? Shadowing? etc? |
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| 21:18.03 | hark | Quendus_: it's in non-free |
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| 21:18.10 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 21:18.22 | norbert_ | enouf: ehm, no, didn't check my BIOS for these things |
| 21:18.31 | DustyDingo | where do i get the kernel image and initrd for the current installer? |
| 21:18.31 | enouf | norbert_: i like that - setting BusType |
| 21:18.45 | enouf | norbert_: you really should read your mobo PDF |
| 21:18.58 | abrotman | DustyDingo: which kernel? which installer? |
| 21:19.17 | norbert_ | enouf: mobo? supplier? |
| 21:19.25 | norbert_ | motherboard, I get it |
| 21:19.25 | DustyDingo | abrotman: for an etch netinstall,... to put un an pendrive |
| 21:19.52 | abrotman | DustyDingo: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 21:20.01 | norbert_ | hark: did you ask me to set the bustype to see if X would stop freezing? |
| 21:20.44 | DustyDingo | abrotman: thats not what i asked |
| 21:20.48 | enouf | norbert_: in BIOS, you want ShadowROM, but not PaletteSnooping (if you have those) -- also increase the Aperture to say 256 and tell us what other settings are there for Aperture (64/128/256/? ) it's at 64M right now. |
| 21:20.53 | hark | norbert_: yes... now you can try setting an agp mode in your xorg.conf. The auto-detected one is probably the wrong one then |
| 21:21.06 | norbert_ | enouf/hark: I think it will no longer freeze now that I've set the bustype |
| 21:21.13 | abrotman | DustyDingo: /msg dpkg netboot .. is that better? |
| 21:21.20 | enouf | norbert_: also, see if something like Primary Video Device has choices like PCI/AGP and tell us what that's set to |
| 21:21.34 | DustyDingo | i know how to do it, i just don't know a link to suitable kernel images |
| 21:21.39 | abrotman | DustyDingo: otherwise, get it from a working etch install or the etch install images |
| 21:21.47 | DustyDingo | which aren't mentioned in the documentation, just "from the debian archive" |
| 21:21.48 | enouf | norbert_: i'm not sure how limited that makes it, if at all |
| 21:21.49 | DustyDingo | blub |
| 21:21.51 | norbert_ | hark: ok, I may try that - or just go with this, because I'm way to happy it's no longer freezing |
| 21:21.57 | abrotman | DustyDingo: you can also browse your mirror and find the .deb for those packages you're looking for |
| 21:22.02 | norbert_ | enouf: ok |
| 21:22.06 | abrotman | pool/l/linux-2.6/ IIRC |
| 21:22.48 | hark | norbert_: ok, try with agpmode 1, and if that doesn't work, revert back to pci mode |
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| 21:23.07 | norbert_ | hark: ok, should I remove pci mode when trying agpmode 1? |
| 21:23.14 | hark | yes |
| 21:23.24 | DustyDingo | ah, /debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom on any mirror |
| 21:23.25 | DustyDingo | ok |
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| 21:24.02 | ge_ | Hey People! How can I record what is played on my soundcard? |
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| 21:24.04 | ringo999 | norbert_: ok i installed ekiga 3.. i think its working now. thanks |
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| 21:24.35 | abrotman | wonders what was wrong with the netinst images then ... |
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| 21:25.45 | enouf | ge_: a few ways, Audacity is one, i guess, but in alsamixer (install alsautils pkg) see the Capture/Recording Mode settings, hit [TAB] in there .. there's also ways thruogh your DE, depending on which one |
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| 21:27.39 | ge_ | Is there a simple way like "cat /dev/sound > mysound.wav" or something? |
| 21:27.41 | ge_ | that would be a nice linux-like-way. |
| 21:28.33 | abrotman | are you trying to record sound to a wav? or play the wav to the device? |
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| 21:29.13 | ge_ | record sound to wav. |
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| 21:29.24 | shams | can anyone tell me whats meaning of carrier-neutral data centers? |
| 21:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you really trying to do... |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | shams: relating to Debian ? |
| 21:29.56 | norbert | enouf/hark: no, that freezed it again; so, I'm back with pci bustype |
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| 21:30.05 | norbert | (and in X, using X-Chat :)) |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | ge_: i've been told mplayer can do this .. etch has a package called vsound that can do that |
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| 21:31.23 | norbert | enouf/hark: so, thanks for helping out :) |
| 21:31.44 | hark | norbert: ah, well you coulf try 2x and 4x if you want to but i suppose pci's good enough ;) |
| 21:31.48 | ge_ | abrotman: hmm.. "man mplayer" and searching for "record" does not bring me there... any ideas where to look? |
| 21:31.55 | norbert | enouf/hark: and people with "RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]" will probably always need to set BusType PCI |
| 21:32.07 | abrotman | ge_: nope, don't use it .. just what i've heard |
| 21:32.10 | norbert | hark: yes, I'll stick with this |
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| 21:32.21 | enouf | ge_: man arecord |
| 21:32.30 | norbert | hark: should I file a bug report/fix for testing? |
| 21:32.34 | hark | norbert: you could file a bug report |
| 21:32.42 | norbert | ok, I'll do that |
| 21:32.49 | enouf | norbert: when you do our nicks like that enouf/hark i never see it highlighted |
| 21:33.04 | norbert | enouf: oh, okay |
| 21:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I doubt anything like that works, if he has playing a CD, though |
| 21:33.21 | norbert | enouf: I'll remember that and add spaces " / " next time |
| 21:33.27 | hark | norbert: similar to http://bugs.debian.org/467460 |
| 21:33.36 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: used to be vsound .. can't find the reason for its removal though |
| 21:33.45 | enouf | norbert: i want you to also think about trying the OnBoard Via Chrome and use the xserver-xorg-video-openchrome driver |
| 21:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still see it! |
| 21:33.49 | hark | enouf: really, irssi? |
| 21:33.59 | enouf | hark: nah, some kde POC |
| 21:34.09 | enouf | but i'm used to it |
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| 21:34.21 | norbert | enough: well, I'm not going to do any more debugging for now, I'm using the Radeon :) |
| 21:34.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... I still see it in stable :( |
| 21:34.32 | enouf | norbert: learn tab-completion ;-) |
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| 21:34.38 | norbert | enouf: eh, enouf, yes :) |
| 21:34.47 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: right .. but no idea why |
| 21:35.01 | ge_ | enouf: wow, arecord sounds good. looking it up. |
| 21:35.08 | enouf | norbert: remove the # from the 3 lines in your ~/.bashrc that start with if [ /etc/bash_completion ] ; .. |
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| 21:35.14 | enouf | or similar |
| 21:35.34 | norbert | enouf: bash has completion and so does X-Chat (what I'm using now) |
| 21:35.43 | enouf | norbert: restart your shell, or ; source ~/.bashrc |
| 21:35.53 | norbert | enouf: I just type pretty fast and didn't use tab completion and made a mistake there |
| 21:36.01 | enouf | well, someone enabled it as default then |
| 21:36.14 | hark | norbert: i found this... http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12544 |
| 21:36.26 | enouf | norbert: i suck at typing - it's actually almost painful - always annoying though |
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| 21:37.00 | enouf | ge_: mplayer is awesome too ,.. get to know it |
| 21:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, indeed funny, there are no bugreports whatsoever on it - I read optional packages with rc bugs can just be removed from the repro for a new release... but one really should see a bug... |
| 21:37.21 | norbert | hark: so... I could've also fixed it by changing to 4 |
| 21:37.23 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i can't find it orphaned or asking for help |
| 21:37.31 | ge_ | enouf: i got mplayer, but i dont find anything in the manpage. |
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| 21:37.50 | lunartear | what package does sqlt-diff stem from? |
| 21:37.58 | hark | norbert: yeah, looks like it |
| 21:37.59 | enouf | ge_: i do shit like mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile saved-file-name.mp3 http://someurl.streaming.file ... |
| 21:38.09 | enouf | ge_: /msg dpkg youtube script |
| 21:38.14 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: closest i can find http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372965 |
| 21:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg182909.html |
| 21:38.28 | abrotman | lunartear: dpkg -S sqlt-diff |
| 21:38.52 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: that's hardly enough for removal AIUI .. the debmake might be though |
| 21:38.56 | enouf | hark: norbert AGPmode 4 ? |
| 21:39.57 | norbert | enouf: Option "AGPMode" "4" might have also solved the problem, yes |
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| 21:40.12 | norbert | enouf: but I'm sticking with Option "BusType" "PCI" |
| 21:40.13 | enouf | norbert: good - you're being precise ;-) |
| 21:40.13 | lunartear | abortman that doesnt find anything |
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| 21:40.28 | abrotman | lunartear: is the file on your system now? |
| 21:40.38 | enouf | norbert: it really is necessary .. especially when tshooting |
| 21:40.41 | lunartear | yep |
| 21:40.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, haha... it says "subject line vsound has been removed" which I immediately translated into "vsound has been removed" - the brain is a funny thing :) |
| 21:40.49 | norbert | enouf: indeed |
| 21:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | (took me a while to figure) |
| 21:40.58 | abrotman | lunartear: next time use apt-file .. it's from sqlfairy |
| 21:41.06 | enouf | norbert: check all your BIOS settings as well (just a remider) |
| 21:41.12 | enouf | s/remider/reminder |
| 21:41.21 | norbert | enouf / hark: anyways, gotta go; thanks again |
| 21:41.23 | ge_ | enouf: i dont have a streaming file. |
| 21:41.32 | enouf | ge_: you will ... one day ;-) |
| 21:41.56 | ge_ | crazy, "arecord test.wav" records the sound in my room. how? there is no mic connected to my notebook! |
| 21:42.03 | enouf | hahaha |
| 21:42.06 | enouf | NSA implant |
| 21:42.51 | enouf | ge_: are you a tewwowista? :-P ... |
| 21:43.11 | enouf | notebooks have built-in mics, no? |
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| 21:43.20 | keith4 | yes |
| 21:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, it indeed was - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=460649 |
| 21:43.39 | ge_ | enouf: i did not know it has. well, it has a built in camera, so... |
| 21:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, and you tried to increase the number of its users ;) |
| 21:43.58 | enouf | ge_: you too - find your laptop PDF manual ;-) |
| 21:44.16 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: i used to use it .. i might get in trouble if i try to adopt it :) |
| 21:44.25 | enouf | ge_: built-in camera is usually accompanyed by? |
| 21:44.31 | enouf | yep ... audio |
| 21:45.25 | enouf | ge_: not only can we hear you, i'm watching you from the botnet i've setup at NORAD at this moment ;-) |
| 21:45.46 | enouf | ge_: i'm joking .. you do know that, i hope |
| 21:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, why? after all it's not a system monitor called hot-babe... |
| 21:46.16 | enouf | she does strip though |
| 21:46.46 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: HE killed |
| 21:46.52 | CyberGabber | Just installed "debian-40r6-i386", howto install/configure VPN-client ( for connecting to MS-machine )? |
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| 21:46.54 | abrotman | killed it |
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| 21:47.28 | enouf | CyberGabber: /msg dpkg security ; run, apt-get update ; apt-cache search vpn |
| 21:47.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | HE? as in the lord, god? |
| 21:47.47 | simonrvn | !dbugs 460649 |
| 21:47.50 | dpkg | DONE:#460649:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: vsound -- RoQA; old, no users, depends on debmake (); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:21:01 UTC [] |
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| 21:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | doeth HE smite the unworthy? |
| 21:50.32 | wrench- | so i currently have two default routes set on a single system and am wondering what the proper way to remove one is |
| 21:50.48 | abrotman | route del |
| 21:50.52 | enouf | CyberGabber: /msg dpkg grounding ; man <whatever> ; see /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/* ; dpkg -L | grep doc to find them easily -- run updatedb as root/sudo ; then you can use 'locate <keyword>' to search for things, i use dlocate much |
| 21:51.27 | enouf | wrench-: even 'ip', if installed |
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| 21:51.46 | enouf | wrench-: iproute{2} pkgs |
| 21:51.49 | wrench- | abrotman: right... but i'm not sure of the rest ;-) |
| 21:51.57 | wrench- | route del default.... ? |
| 21:52.02 | abrotman | no |
| 21:52.11 | enouf | ahhh boy |
| 21:52.20 | enouf | stoned: you weenie :-P |
| 21:52.27 | abrotman | enouf: name calling? |
| 21:52.38 | simonrvn | reprepro question. i build a set of packages for one arch. works out fine, upload, run repo update, works out well. then, i build the same set of packages, for another arch. upload that, run repo update, fails, because i already have some arch: any files there, that of course, have different md5sums, so reprepro refuses to run. HTF do i get the new .debs into the repo? |
| 21:52.47 | Tramp | wrench-: routed del default gw <wrong GW IP> [dev <wrong dev>) <--- from the top of my head. No guarantees if you run it on a live-supporting system without rechecking |
| 21:52.53 | enouf | abrotman: to not cause issues, no worries, i'll stop\ |
| 21:53.30 | enouf | didn't even realize it - my bad - is a well known person to me, but i understand not many might know that |
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| 21:54.30 | enouf | heck, it's not even apropos for this channel .. ffs |
| 21:54.51 | gartt | I've got a bunch of files that I barely access, and I've had them on my hdd for years without touching them much. Is there a tool to "move them around" a little bit, or do whatever's necessary to keep the data reliable? |
| 21:55.00 | abrotman | thank you |
| 21:55.01 | stoned | hmm? |
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| 21:55.17 | stoned | kiss n make up |
| 21:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, argh, argh, my linux-powered pacemaker just stopped working |
| 21:55.28 | stoned | enouf, good to have you back |
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| 21:55.32 | meyou | gartt: 'moving them around' a little bit would be more likely to make them less reliable than more |
| 21:55.37 | Tramp | gartt: bits don't age. |
| 21:55.52 | meyou | if you want to refresh the timestamp on them, touch works |
| 21:55.58 | dustybin | I want to design a MAME arcade cabinet, anybody know of any simple to use CAD/3D type software what would allow me to design and draw something in 3D, be able to twist it around, and show measurements etc? |
| 21:56.01 | gartt | Tramp: But doesn't the data "demagnitize" after a few years? |
| 21:56.04 | meyou | but again, not going to make them any more reliable at all |
| 21:56.05 | enouf | np |
| 21:56.06 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: cool. Your pacemaker was online? |
| 21:56.31 | enouf | stoned: thanks - ask dpkg to tell me that ;-) |
| 21:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, sure... (arg, argh, dying) used to time the heart beats with aid of ntp |
| 21:56.36 | Tramp | gartt: never heard of that (outside maybe of urban legends) |
| 21:56.39 | stoned | !smack enouf |
| 21:56.40 | gartt | So I'm fine? As long as the hdd doesn't just fail, I won't have any unknown data loss due to age? |
| 21:56.40 | dpkg | smacks enouf upside the head. |
| 21:56.48 | meyou | gartt: correct |
| 21:56.48 | gartt | Well, that's good to know, thanks |
| 21:56.50 | enouf | heh - figures |
| 21:56.59 | stoned | alright now be cool |
| 21:57.00 | Tramp | gartt: No. but you should always have backup of important data. |
| 21:57.02 | enouf | stoned: we have ppl that need help |
| 21:57.07 | stoned | lets help them |
| 21:57.34 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: too bad - don't expect me to send flowers though ;) |
| 21:57.35 | gartt | Tramp: I have redundant backups for the important stuff (this is less important, but takes up lots of space) |
| 21:57.44 | enouf | dustybin: goodness, i haven't kept up at all with that stuff |
| 21:58.12 | stoned | dustybin, hm |
| 21:58.30 | stoned | dustybin, I like mame, I have a 6 button joystick but I haven't hooked i tup to the pc yet |
| 21:58.43 | stoned | dustybin, maybe that blender thingy? |
| 21:58.57 | stoned | I dunno, its not really cad stuff its 3d, do search for open source autocad alternative |
| 21:58.58 | enouf | dustybin: i'm just going to toss out some bookmarks, and know .. is gnuplot not ok? |
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| 21:59.02 | enouf | dustybin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_tracing |
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| 22:00.11 | dustybin | aye thanks :D |
| 22:00.19 | simonrvn | blender! 2.48a is in exp. too |
| 22:00.26 | stoned | http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html |
| 22:00.34 | simonrvn | backport it if you want it |
| 22:00.36 | stoned | QCad is nice |
| 22:00.40 | stoned | its only 2d though |
| 22:00.56 | enouf | dustybin: oh crap - i lost all bookmarks irecall that were FOSS, likely i deleted them cause they were not 'mature' .. and sigh; i think this is really pay-for http://www.ptc.com/community/resource-center/proengineer/index.htm .. what about maya? pay-for? |
| 22:01.22 | simonrvn | yes, very non-free |
| 22:01.26 | ge_ | Does anybody know, what the command line name of "PulseAudio Volume Control" is? |
| 22:01.28 | abrotman | brlcad? qcad? |
| 22:01.36 | stoned | what was that one used in the ridick chronicles movie, wasn't that some open source thingy |
| 22:01.40 | stoned | I thought I read something about that |
| 22:01.43 | simonrvn | pasomething |
| 22:01.48 | simonrvn | ge_: ^^^ |
| 22:01.54 | simonrvn | tab it :) |
| 22:02.13 | meyou | pavucontrol |
| 22:02.16 | simonrvn | riddick*; i think they use cinepaint |
| 22:02.24 | simonrvn | used* |
| 22:02.25 | enouf | dustybin: also see whatever this can tell you http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html |
| 22:02.49 | zinx | cinepaint is not that great :/ |
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| 22:03.25 | enouf | i've not even heard most of what's listed there once you search for 'autocad' |
| 22:03.36 | enouf | there was this k thing IIRC |
| 22:03.44 | enouf | not necessarily kde related |
| 22:03.50 | enouf | iirc |
| 22:04.13 | enouf | abrotman: brlcad is one i recall - yes |
| 22:04.26 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 22:04.35 | abrotman | there aren't that many to be honest |
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| 22:05.41 | sxp | hi |
| 22:06.08 | sxp | http://pastebin.com/d485d2b3a -> i need help with this script |
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| 22:06.38 | enouf | ge_: all i know is Pulse rides on top of ... |
| 22:06.45 | enouf | ge_: are you using ubuntu? |
| 22:06.59 | stoned | sxp, #bash |
| 22:07.09 | sxp | i want an output like "fichero: file1, fichero: file2, fichero: file3 |
| 22:07.13 | sxp | stoned: ok |
| 22:08.12 | enouf | ge_: "A Guide Through The Linux Sound API Jungle" http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html .. but if you're using ubuntu, please go to their channel - thanks |
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| 22:08.51 | enouf | sxp: are you using dash maybe? |
| 22:09.23 | sxp | enouf: what? |
| 22:09.31 | enouf | sxp: ls -l /bin/sh ; echo $SHELL |
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| 22:10.46 | enouf | sxp: just thought i'd ask - and actually dash is supposed to be more POSIX compliant than bash, but not sure how those in #bash feel about dash - or other shells |
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| 22:12.30 | enouf | stoned: .. did i nicely scare away some possible 'debian-based' users? |
| 22:12.48 | stoned | I dunno |
| 22:12.57 | enouf | keep tokin man |
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| 22:13.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, and actually the magnetization should fade... 2nd law of thermodynamics demands it :) |
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| 22:14.02 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, you're right ofc. In the end, everything will be evenly distributed. |
| 22:14.06 | stoned | what are you a physicist now |
| 22:14.08 | stoned | :) |
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| 22:16.06 | enouf | dpkg say i smack stoned upside the head with a hibachi grill |
| 22:16.06 | dpkg | i smack stoned upside the head with a hibachi grill |
| 22:17.42 | abrotman | enouf: seriously .. you guys have your own little play channel, use it |
| 22:18.19 | enouf | abrotman: noted |
| 22:18.32 | abrotman | assumes also ignored |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | stew: congratulations! |
| 22:18.53 | enouf | no, i just thought it wouldn't matter when there's not much action in here |
| 22:19.07 | stew | abrotman: :) |
| 22:19.10 | enouf | matter +so much |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | stew: now you can like .. totally pass my packages through without checking them! :) |
| 22:19.23 | enouf | simbioz: i'll take my cut now - thanks ;-) |
| 22:19.36 | enouf | ... /me goes afk |
| 22:19.58 | stew | abrotman: yes, i can do that for a very short time before they remove me again for doing it |
| 22:20.06 | abrotman | stew: i'll pile them up .. |
| 22:20.35 | abrotman | notes that joerg's list of requirements doesn't mention anything about being a DD/DM |
| 22:20.39 | glax | to change the ip address the only files I need to modified are /etc/host and /etc/network/interface? (Y/N) |
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| 22:21.19 | abrotman | glax: i think you mean /etc/hosts .. and you don't even have to change that, just makes stuff work betterer |
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| 22:21.32 | glax | YES |
| 22:21.39 | glax | yes, /etc/hosts |
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| 22:22.01 | simonrvn | betterer, and bestest |
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| 22:24.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | you forgot most bestest |
| 22:24.47 | abrotman | i believe it's "mostest bestest" |
| 22:25.17 | simonrvn | more biggerest, betterer bestest |
| 22:25.24 | wrench- | so since i had two default routes previously and have now removed one, do i need to clear any sort of routing cache or anything like that? |
| 22:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that would be excessive |
| 22:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, that's a clawfinger song! (well, very nearly) |
| 22:25.49 | maligor | you mean: betterer bestest debian |
| 22:26.09 | simonrvn | heh, ok :) |
| 22:26.21 | abrotman | finds a new mirror .. |
| 22:26.27 | simonrvn | wrench-: you don't need to do anything else. |
| 22:26.33 | enouf | wow - nice banter folks |
| 22:26.53 | wrench- | simonrvn: ok, thanks ;-) |
| 22:27.00 | abrotman | there's a URL somewhere with the mirror status .. and i bet the psu.edu mirror is full fail |
| 22:27.27 | abrotman | 8...carroll.aset.psu.edu [L] [master time stamp N/A] [ftp bad] [http bad] [rsync bad] |
| 22:27.28 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:27.41 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 22:27.50 | abrotman | wonders how bad that really is |
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| 22:28.15 | abrotman | should ask the ftp-master :) |
| 22:28.21 | simonrvn | not pingable? :P |
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| 22:28.30 | abrotman | oh, it works .. it just updates once a day or less |
| 22:28.30 | ringo999 | anybody got ekiga i can test call. I can call 500 ekiga echo test but I hear nothing :-( |
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| 22:28.41 | simonrvn | oh my, a Hydroxide |
| 22:28.43 | abrotman | i asked my friend that works there, he said they were having problems with the box over the break |
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| 22:29.05 | simonrvn | mm, 'k |
| 22:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, be careful you don't get saponified... |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | ringo999: IIRC ekiga has a test number on the website |
| 22:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | he used that... it's 500 |
| 22:29.49 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: better on me than in me, the soap i mean |
| 22:30.00 | ringo999 | yes, but what am i supposed to hear/see when calling it? i can call it and the connection is established but i hear/see nothing? |
| 22:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, you misunderstand... you become the soap |
| 22:30.14 | abrotman | ringo999: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Fun_Numbers |
| 22:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ringo999, a voice telling you this is the echo test ... your own voice when it's finished |
| 22:30.43 | abrotman | ringo999: ask #ekiga on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | (supposing you say something) |
| 22:30.49 | ringo999 | abrotman: ok |
| 22:31.02 | ringo999 | CutMeOwnThroat: ok |
| 22:31.16 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what i meant |
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| 22:34.51 | Muffin | Anyone around up for helpin gme troubleshoot a problem with X? |
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| 22:35.22 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 22:40.20 | Muffin | Well, X is not working right, but it is nearly working right. |
| 22:40.36 | Muffin | I have a functional resolution of 1600x980, but want 1280x1024. |
| 22:40.42 | Muffin | Or 1280x960. |
| 22:41.06 | zinx | is it a LCD screen? |
| 22:41.06 | Muffin | Or really, anything that has my functional screen area using the entirety of my physical screen but no more. |
| 22:41.09 | Muffin | zinx: Yes. |
| 22:41.19 | Muffin | The native resolution of the screen is 1280x1024. |
| 22:41.27 | zinx | odd |
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| 22:41.44 | Muffin | However, if I make 1280x1024 the only "Mode" in xorg.conf, then xinit results in an all-black screen and I can't do anything. |
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| 22:42.31 | DustyDingo | hm, what are the newest kernel images for the installer? the one from the archive doesn't support necessary hardware |
| 22:42.32 | Muffin | 1600x1200 is the only "Mode" that works, and the functional screen size is still 1600x980 (according to xwininfo) |
| 22:43.22 | zinx | Muffin: start it with -logverbose 10 and see what it says (startx -- -logverbose 10 or so) |
| 22:43.39 | zinx | Muffin: it'll output a lot more information to /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
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| 22:45.55 | ge_ | Hey People! I need someone in the know! Can you think of a way to make Firefox ignore nocache headers and cache the content of websites in any case? |
| 22:46.35 | Muffin | zinx: Should I pastebin the result? |
| 22:47.04 | zinx | Muffin: yeah, sure |
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| 22:50.09 | Muffin | zinx: http://debian.pastebin.com/m84dbf67 |
| 22:50.11 | zamba | i need help setting up a centralized system where all clients should nfs mount /home, but since all clients should log on with only one user, the changes have to disappear whenever a user logs off.. so it's basically just mounting /home read-only but with a writable tmpfs on to of that |
| 22:50.17 | zamba | on top* |
| 22:50.26 | zamba | does anyone know of a howto for this? |
| 22:50.41 | zamba | for authentication i want to use a central ldap database |
| 22:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | copy it to a ramdisk when he logs on? |
| 22:51.21 | zamba | something like that, yeah |
| 22:51.29 | zamba | but what's the best way of doing this? |
| 22:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or better when (s)he logs out :) |
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| 22:51.55 | \amethyst | zamba: how big is the home directory? |
| 22:52.09 | zamba | \amethyst: in practice it will be empty |
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| 22:52.20 | zamba | more or less |
| 22:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | some dot files... |
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| 22:52.28 | zamba | yeah |
| 22:52.33 | zamba | but apart from that, nothing |
| 22:52.57 | zinx | Muffin: odd, it should do "1280x1024" fine |
| 22:53.01 | zamba | maybe set up a firefox profile to prevent generation of that every time the users starts a firefox session |
| 22:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | in that case you could probably also just erase all contents and untar/copy the skeleton files into it |
| 22:53.21 | zamba | and similar for other commonly used programs to speed up things |
| 22:53.27 | \amethyst | zamba: maybe pam_mkhomedir (and put a firefox profile in /etc/skel) |
| 22:53.29 | zinx | Muffin: in fact, it says that it _is_ using it |
| 22:53.37 | \amethyst | zamba: but that doesn't take care of deletion on logout |
| 22:53.39 | zamba | CutMeOwnThroat: i've read something about tmpfs/ramfs/unionfs in conjunction with pam.d |
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| 22:54.00 | zamba | \amethyst: yeah, i think some magic with pam is the way to go |
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| 22:54.05 | Muffin | ...wait. |
| 22:54.08 | Muffin | That's very odd. |
| 22:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pam is always magic.... |
| 22:54.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... if ever it works |
| 22:54.27 | zamba | hehe |
| 22:54.27 | \amethyst | zamba: pam_exec will let you run arbitrary commands on login, either as the user or as root |
| 22:55.14 | Muffin | zinx: What of this line: < (II) RADEON(0): Max desktop size set to 2048x1200 |
| 22:55.18 | zamba | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/586 |
| 22:55.21 | zamba | what about that? |
| 22:55.30 | zinx | Muffin: that's the maximum supported by the video card |
| 22:55.48 | zinx | Muffin: with those drivers, anyway. |
| 22:55.54 | Muffin | Ah, ok. |
| 22:56.25 | \amethyst | zamba: yeah, pam_mount sounds like the way to go |
| 22:56.26 | Muffin | zinx: Is xwininfo trustworthy? |
| 22:56.34 | Muffin | I am not entirely sure how to tell what my current resolution is. |
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| 22:57.05 | zinx | Muffin: xdpyinfo |
| 22:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, guess you used xwininfo -root? |
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| 22:57.38 | zinx | Muffin: it will output a line like "dimensions: 3200x1200 pixels (874x321 millimeters)" |
| 22:57.59 | zamba | \amethyst: i will give that setup a try tomorrow |
| 22:58.11 | Muffin | screen #0: dimensions: 1600x1024 pixels (337x270 millimeters) |
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| 22:58.38 | runa | hi can sb help me configure wpa_suplicant.conf this is how network-manager-gnome should be configured http://poisson.phc.unipi.it/~runa/3.ps |
| 22:58.40 | zamba | \amethyst: i guess that setup is oblivious to the fact that the whole /home tree is nfs mounted? |
| 22:59.00 | Muffin | ...which is odd, given the line from xorg.conf: Modes "1600x1200" |
| 22:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | zamba, I wonder, though, why you would want to use a mounted directory when you are going to erase everything anyways |
| 22:59.43 | zamba | CutMeOwnThroat: well.. it is for easier distribution of changes.. |
| 22:59.54 | \amethyst | zamba: yeah---I don't know if unionfs has problems overlaying NFS, but I don't see why it would |
| 22:59.54 | zinx | Muffin: it probably ignored you because the screen can't be that large |
| 22:59.57 | zamba | CutMeOwnThroat: instead of adding stuff to every client machine's /etc/skel |
| 23:00.01 | Muffin | ...if I change my xorg.conf to 1600x1024, it works fine, and looks exactly the same, with the last few pixels to the right running off the screen. |
| 23:00.11 | zinx | Muffin: change it to 1280x1024 |
| 23:00.37 | Muffin | zinx: Right, but that's the problem--when I do that, the screen is black. |
| 23:00.45 | zinx | Muffin: that's very odd indeed |
| 23:00.50 | zamba | CutMeOwnThroat: this has to scale and be pretty flexible when it comes to central management |
| 23:00.51 | zinx | Muffin: sure you didn't type it wrong? |
| 23:01.43 | Muffin | zinx: Yes. :) |
| 23:01.44 | zinx | Muffin: try adding VertRefresh 59 - 61 |
| 23:01.56 | Muffin | I mean, I've done this 300,000 times, and you see the pastebin result for when I do it that way. |
| 23:02.30 | zinx | Muffin: try adding VertRefresh 59 - 61 |
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| 23:03.39 | Muffin | zinx: Just did. No dice, same problem...though it also works with 1600x1024. |
| 23:03.44 | Muffin | Do you have a suggestion for HorizSync too? |
| 23:03.55 | zinx | Muffin: nope, hmm |
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| 23:04.24 | Muffin | (thanks very much for the assistance) |
| 23:04.32 | zinx | Muffin: add your own modeline? Modeline "1280x1024x59.9" 109.00 1280 1368 1496 1712 1024 1027 1034 1063 -hsync +vsync |
| 23:04.43 | zinx | Muffin: then use "1280x1024x59.9" instead of "1280x1024" |
| 23:04.51 | zinx | Muffin: if that doesn't work.. nothing will :( |
| 23:05.00 | Muffin | zinx: Where should that go? |
| 23:05.09 | zinx | Muffin: monitor or screen section |
| 23:05.35 | Muffin | Current xorg.conf at http://debian.pastebin.com/m4c35a472 |
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| 23:06.00 | zinx | Muffin: it can go in either. |
| 23:06.06 | zinx | Muffin: i usually put it in the monitor section |
| 23:06.12 | Muffin | OK. |
| 23:06.31 | zinx | right below VertRefresh would be a nice spot |
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| 23:16.31 | Muffin | Nope. |
| 23:16.36 | Muffin | keeps tweaking. |
| 23:21.56 | peleg | I have exim running perfectly with mailman on my debian. I now want to configure simple imap/pop3 email accounts. I had troubles trying to do it in the past, but I want to try again now. Do you have a recommendation where or what should I start reading? |
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| 23:23.00 | \amethyst | peleg: do you want to be able to have IMAP/POP accounts without having corresponding users on your system? |
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| 23:23.27 | peleg | \amethyst, well, I think it'll be the best that way, yes. |
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| 23:26.11 | DustyDingo | hm, thats strange |
| 23:26.40 | DustyDingo | i use a debian testing iso and the corresponding kernel image and boot from usb drive |
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| 23:26.44 | w0lfie | heya |
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| 23:26.54 | DustyDingo | the build is somewhere around october 08 |
| 23:27.03 | w0lfie | i've got a intel i7 cpu, which architecture should i grab? ia64? |
| 23:27.14 | DustyDingo | w0lfie: amd64 |
| 23:27.31 | w0lfie | oh really? why amd64 over ia64? |
| 23:27.40 | DustyDingo | ia54 is another architecture |
| 23:27.43 | DustyDingo | ia64 |
| 23:27.58 | rebecka | w0lfie: itanium more specificaly |
| 23:28.06 | w0lfie | ok. amd64 it is |
| 23:28.08 | w0lfie | thanks :) |
| 23:28.40 | DustyDingo | somehow the installer fails to load the driver for the nic, a marvell 88E8056 |
| 23:28.47 | DustyDingo | thich should be supported though |
| 23:28.49 | w0lfie | while i'm on the subject, is it worth going for a rc or should i just grab a weekly build iso?\ |
| 23:28.54 | w0lfie | for lenny, that is |
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| 23:29.13 | DustyDingo | w0lfie: i guess we have the same issue |
| 23:29.32 | DustyDingo | i try to install debian on an i7, x58, machine |
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| 23:29.38 | DustyDingo | but i fail |
| 23:30.08 | w0lfie | gutted |
| 23:30.34 | DustyDingo | as i said, i tried a testing iso |
| 23:30.55 | peleg | \amethyst, does that make everything much more difficult? |
| 23:31.34 | DustyDingo | w0lfie: ok my mistake: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 23:31.55 | DustyDingo | kernel i grabbed seems from october 2008, but the iso isn't |
| 23:32.17 | Muffin | bashes his head into the desk. |
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| 23:33.28 | Decepticon | whats the rsync command so that it looks at dir X on pc_A and compares to dir_Y on pc_B, if there are files in dir_X on pc_A that do not exist on dir_Y on pc_B, to upload such files to dir_Y on pc_B and then delete these files on dir_X on pc_A and disconnect? |
| 23:33.30 | DustyDingo | w0lfie: i am going to try http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
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| 23:36.28 | DustyDingo | w0lfie: which motherboard do you have? |
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| 23:40.52 | \amethyst | peleg: it means you have to do some manual configuration of exim probably |
| 23:42.01 | peleg | \amethyst, I don't have any problem with "manual", I only want to know what to do. Shouldn't it be quite simple? I guess almost any server in the web has this feature, am I wrong? |
| 23:42.25 | \amethyst | peleg: yeah, search for something like exim4 virtual user |
| 23:43.25 | peleg | \amethyst, thanks |
| 23:43.39 | \amethyst | peleg: most IMAP clients support virtual users, too, though they will require a separate config file from exim's |
| 23:43.49 | \amethyst | peleg: err, a separate user list I mean |
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| 23:44.12 | \amethyst | peleg: it's also possible to store the users in mysql, but that's more complicated and not necessary unless you have a lot of users |
| 23:44.20 | peleg | \amethyst, really? One user list for exim and *another* user list for the IMAP client? |
| 23:44.37 | peleg | \amethyst, no, a simple file would be good enough now. |
| 23:44.40 | \amethyst | peleg: the IMAP client's list needs passwords too |
| 23:44.48 | \amethyst | peleg: (or password hashes at least) |
| 23:44.48 | peleg | I see |
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| 23:45.37 | \amethyst | s/client/server/ |
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| 23:46.11 | enouf | starts speading butter on Muffin , whose been smashed :-) |
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| 23:46.43 | \amethyst | !faq complex |
| 23:46.43 | dpkg | complex: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:46.45 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:46.49 | enouf | oops, he said his :-P -- what's wrong? |
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| 23:50.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | who's complex :) |
| 23:50.46 | enouf | Muffin: i use a 17" lcd on lenny/sid (1280x1024 which is a 5:4 ratio), no issues |
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| 23:51.09 | Muffin | enouf: Can you pastebin your xorg.conf? |
| 23:51.16 | enouf | Muffin: sure |
| 23:51.45 | Muffin | Also, perhaps relevant: This is running in debian powerpc on a G4 tower with a Radeon graphics card. |
| 23:51.58 | enouf | http://rafb.net/p/QAzagD26.html |
| 23:52.10 | enouf | might be relevant .. somehow |
| 23:52.25 | enouf | been to #debianppc ? |
| 23:52.48 | Muffin | Hm, I'll check that out next. |
| 23:54.47 | DanDare | its not complex it just dont load |
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