| 00:00.11 | peleg | This is so difficult. I am afraid to kill my working mailman, while trying to reconfigure exim; it took me almost a week to get mailman to work with exim. Do you recommend me to purge everything and try to get and configure everything from the beginning? If I'll do that -- will it keep my mailman archives? |
| 00:00.32 | Muffin | Nope, no help. |
| 00:01.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, looks to me as if the refresh rate is just too high for your monitor at the correct resolution |
| 00:01.54 | peleg | The problem is that when it takes you a week, and you don't really understand what you do (you do understand in the beginning, but quite fast you find yourself dealing with black magic), than you can't really write a tutorial (for you and for the rest) |
| 00:02.08 | petemc | peleg: the dovecot wiki has config snippets for exim that you could just put in your exim4.conf |
| 00:02.39 | peleg | petemc, but how will I know if it'll ruing the fragile exim-mailman relationship? |
| 00:02.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've never heard that that causes an LCD to .. 'black out' but why else should a higher resolution (that shouldn't work on your lcd, so the lcd has to downscale it) work |
| 00:02.54 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: A reasonable assumption, but how do I change the refresh rate? |
| 00:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, I've not followed your guys discussion... are what version of Debian are you using? |
| 00:03.37 | petemc | peleg: exim has great testing facilities, just put the router for dovecot before the mailman router |
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| 00:04.23 | peleg | petemc, ok, thanks |
| 00:04.24 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: "testing." |
| 00:04.27 | peleg | I'll try that |
| 00:04.36 | w0lfie | DustyDingo: i have a asus p6t deluxe |
| 00:04.47 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: Basically, the only resolution I've seen to work is 1600x1024...which goes off the right side of my screen. |
| 00:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, hm, for one you should try to play around with xrandr.... |
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| 00:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, just typing xrandr will give you a list of the available resolutions |
| 00:05.42 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: Tell me more of xrandr. |
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| 00:05.53 | peleg | I guess I need to be less sleepy when I do it. I'd better go to sleep now... |
| 00:05.57 | floe | hi all |
| 00:06.02 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: 1280x1024 59.9 60.0 60.0 |
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| 00:06.41 | ambush | howdy peoples |
| 00:06.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a cute thing and can in modern versions switch between monitor and laptop-lcd :) also can make your monitor show a mirror image of the original or upside-down... it's fun :) |
| 00:06.44 | Decepticon | whats the rsync command so that it looks at dir X on pc_A and compares to dir_Y on pc_B, if there are files in dir_X on pc_A that do not exist on dir_Y on pc_B, to upload such files to dir_Y on pc_B and then delete these files on dir_X on pc_A and disconnect? |
| 00:06.45 | chrisn2323 | how can I get wireless to work in debian? Network Manager says I need to enable my wireless device manually? |
| 00:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, that's all? |
| 00:06.48 | Decepticon | right now i am using rsync -ravz --del -u /home/bizinichi/public_html/media/ decepticon@decepticon.rlogin.org:/home/decepticon/public_html/media/tazeat/ --progress ....... but it does not delete the local file on local hdd after transferring. how to modify? |
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| 00:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, I get about 24 entries |
| 00:07.06 | Muffin | Oh, I get many. |
| 00:07.08 | Muffin | That's the one I WANT. |
| 00:07.10 | Muffin | And it's there. |
| 00:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh :) |
| 00:07.19 | Muffin | But it odesn't work. |
| 00:07.32 | floe | My mail system didn't work correctly so I looked at the /etc/postfix/main.cf and it has lines like: 348672:3543da411b527285048bbddeb9a926f8:Trojan.Agent-58928 in it. What can I do no? Is reinstalling the system the only option? |
| 00:07.50 | ambush | anyone mind helping me help a friend who's new to debian? |
| 00:08.17 | Xenguy | ambush: just ask |
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| 00:09.06 | ambush | her external wireless device on her old laptop no longer works after she installed debian. |
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| 00:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, so xrandr -s 1280x1024 does the same? |
| 00:09.49 | ambush | 4-6 year old laptop, still working decently |
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| 00:10.42 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, it makes the entire screen go black, as if there is no signal to it. |
| 00:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, actually thats funny, you have 3 times 60 Hz (? probably) in that line... |
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| 00:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, but you can switch back from a remote host or by going to a console |
| 00:11.48 | ambush | need help getting that device to work. not even getting a wireless option on the screen. |
| 00:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, if you look at the manpage for xrandr, there's an example how to make new modelines... hm, stop... what do the specifications to your monitor say anyways |
| 00:11.55 | Xenguy | !wireless |
| 00:11.55 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 00:12.26 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: What do you mean, what specifications? http://www.everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/apple_studio_display_17_fp.html is my monitor. |
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| 00:13.30 | Hellmark | chrisn2323, are the proper modules and such for the hardware running? |
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| 00:13.44 | newsense | chradcliffe, what chipset ? |
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| 00:13.46 | chrisn2323 | Hellmark, i think it detects the card |
| 00:13.53 | newsense | you may need firmware as well |
| 00:13.55 | chrisn2323 | since it showed up as ralink device before |
| 00:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, I mean like the maximum horizontal/vertical frequency it can take |
| 00:14.02 | chrisn2323 | but its inconsistent with detection |
| 00:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | 60 Hz is not so much |
| 00:14.06 | newsense | !ralink |
| 00:14.06 | dpkg | Ralink is a wireless LAN chipset manufacturer, one of the few who provide documententation without a <NDA>. Out-of-tree kernel modules ("enhanced legacy" drivers) are available for the RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 chipsets; use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask me about <rt2x00> (these and other Ralink chipsets are supported). For RT2800, see <rt2800>. |
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| 00:14.24 | Muffin | Oh, I have no idea. The internet does not tell me. For an lcd, does it really matter, though? 60hz seems to be the resolution suggested for every LCD I've seen. |
| 00:14.37 | Muffin | It's also the resolution that MacOSX uses for this monitor on this system. |
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| 00:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, it's also the update speed of your 1280x1024 mode... then this shouldn't be it |
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| 00:15.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I can't think of anything that would fit the problem description better |
| 00:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about the other modes? |
| 00:16.27 | Muffin | Hmmmm. Well, I'm not sure where to go to find the correct number. I know that if I mess with VertRefresh and HorizSync, sometimes it breaks other resolutions. |
| 00:16.36 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: 1600x1024 is the ONLY mode that works. |
| 00:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what frequency does xrander tell you that it uses? |
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| 00:20.27 | Muffin | You mean the starred one? 1600x1024 60.0* |
| 00:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, ok |
| 00:20.28 | Muffin | I mean, a lot of internet searching says that this monitor has a 60hz refresh rate. |
| 00:20.28 | Muffin | It's not a new monitor by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not planning to use it for gaming. |
| 00:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually - you're not using a normal monitor cable, so it's not doing the emulation that used to be so common (and which my monitor also still does) |
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| 00:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.superwarehouse.com/Apple_Studio_Display_17_LCD_Monitor/M7649ZM_A/ps/55864 |
| 00:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | this looks like it |
| 00:21.41 | Muffin | Correct. |
| 00:21.44 | maligor | a 17" apple studio? |
| 00:21.58 | dante_2core | we still have those at school. |
| 00:22.05 | Muffin | maligor: Yep. |
| 00:22.15 | dante_2core | at least, in a few leftover places not upgraded yet :D |
| 00:22.39 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: That, however, does not tell me what horizsync or vertrefresh to use. |
| 00:23.01 | maligor | it has no edid? |
| 00:23.51 | Muffin | edid? |
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| 00:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, that didn't escape me - it contains M7649Zm/A , thought which is highly googleable (it was the first page that said "specs" when googling for it, actually) |
| 00:24.14 | dutchfish | Muffin, http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl |
| 00:24.26 | esaym | how do I get ls to list full paths to files in a directory instead of doing the default file grouping? Or is that possible? |
| 00:24.28 | maligor | Extended display identification data, it'd contain the timing info |
| 00:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as the refresh rates are the same anyways, that really shouldn't be it... |
| 00:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then I'm at a loss what it SHOULD be |
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| 00:24.48 | esaym | I need top pipe the file list of several directories into a program |
| 00:25.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | esaym, you shouldn't pipe the output of ls... |
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| 00:26.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls -1d $PWD/* would do it, though |
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| 00:26.23 | esaym | CutMeOwnThroat: what would you recommend then? Use find? |
| 00:26.27 | themill | inserts some n characters into the filenames |
| 00:26.31 | Xenguy | esaym: doesn't 'ls -R' do that? |
| 00:26.39 | esaym | no |
| 00:26.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, you devil! |
| 00:26.50 | dmoerner | find . -type f -print | xargs | program |
| 00:26.55 | dmoerner | or cut the xargs if you don't need it |
| 00:27.00 | esaym | Xenguy: it groups the output by directory and cuts off the full path to the files |
| 00:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | esaym, yes, probably find... depends on what exactly you want to do |
| 00:27.18 | esaym | I can't believe ls can't do this :( |
| 00:27.30 | dmoerner | ls is trash for use with pipes |
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| 00:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not what it's for! |
| 00:27.38 | themill | find -print0 and xargs -0 ftw. |
| 00:27.39 | Muffin | tries Modeline "1280x1024@60" 114.98 1280 1312 1744 1776 1024 1045 1055 1076 |
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| 00:28.10 | esaym | ok I thought ls was for file lists and stuff |
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| 00:30.01 | Muffin | No, that did not work. |
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| 00:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Muffin, try something lower like @50 and also something higher like @70 ( perhaps something cant do much slower than @75... *shrug*) |
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| 00:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | esaym, yes, but you're trying to use it for scripting |
| 00:32.45 | stoned | hi |
| 00:33.40 | Muffin | OK. |
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| 00:35.39 | Muffin | So, here's another thing: Sometimes I put a thing in and it just defaults back to 1600x1024. |
| 00:36.18 | esaym | dmoerner: yes that will work but then I have to escape the spaces |
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| 00:36.47 | Muffin | (this is the case for the 50 option) |
| 00:36.59 | Muffin | Also, the Modeline Generator complains about reflesh below 60Hz. |
| 00:37.15 | Muffin | Also...I mean, if 1600x1024 works...why would this matter? |
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| 00:39.42 | mbent_ | hello, im having a lot of trouble with excessive disk activity, virtualbox and lvm. has anyone had any experience with these? |
| 00:40.10 | mbent_ | these things combined i should say |
| 00:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's lenny, check with iotop what's causing this |
| 00:40.17 | DustyDingo | hm, are there any recent builds of debian testing iso images? |
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| 00:41.02 | DustyDingo | i fail to install only with this, because it lacks some modules: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 00:41.18 | mbent_ | thank you CutMeOwnThroat, i was trying to remember the name of that program |
| 00:41.28 | abrotman | DustyDingo: which modules? |
| 00:41.38 | DustyDingo | like the one for the ethernet adaptor, already included in etch |
| 00:41.42 | Muffin | CutMeOwnThroat: Any thoughts regarding video=stuff kernel arguments? |
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| 00:41.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think, as a rule! |
| 00:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that just overheats the brain |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | DustyDingo: such as? please don't make us guess |
| 00:42.13 | DustyDingo | but etch doesn't support the sata controler,... |
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| 00:42.32 | Muffin | :) |
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| 00:42.45 | DustyDingo | abrotman: it doesn't matter that much, i just need any iso, which is more up to date than etch is |
| 00:43.40 | DustyDingo | something with 2.6.26 |
| 00:43.46 | DustyDingo | and all modules |
| 00:44.02 | DustyDingo | are there no testing builds at all anymore? |
| 00:44.07 | newsense | yes |
| 00:44.22 | DustyDingo | where? |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | DustyDingo: WHICH DRIVER |
| 00:44.31 | newsense | lwhere are you looking ? |
| 00:44.31 | newsense | debian.org |
| 00:44.31 | abrotman | god damn it .. do not make us guess |
| 00:44.53 | DustyDingo | abrotman: marvell 88E8056 |
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| 00:45.01 | stoned | judd versions youtube-dl |
| 00:45.01 | judd | stoned: youtube-dl -- etch: 2006.11.12-1 sid: 2008.03.22-1 |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | DustyDingo: you're aware that some drivers require firmware .. and have been crippled since etch's release |
| 00:45.14 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i just ran that |
| 00:45.34 | newsense | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:45.45 | newsense | theres the lenny netinst url |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | DustyDingo: i told you hours ago to get the lenny netinst .. but you told me i was telling you the wrong thing |
| 00:45.58 | Muffin | gives trying a break and goes for coffee. |
| 00:46.00 | mbent_ | kjournald is using 99%, virtualbox 82.99% X 43.32% |
| 00:46.25 | newsense | DustyDingo, follow the link i posted and get the iso for your arch |
| 00:46.38 | mbent_ | my mouse has now locked up, the time has stopped ticking and nothing is responding |
| 00:46.43 | DustyDingo | newsense: thx |
| 00:46.50 | mbent_ | but i can hear the disk going crazy |
| 00:47.04 | DustyDingo | newsense: i couldn't find that from the general install docs |
| 00:47.08 | newsense | no problem theres cd/dvd/bd so choose the right iso for your media |
| 00:47.13 | DustyDingo | or on the mirrors |
| 00:47.14 | mbent_ | what do i do from here? |
| 00:47.30 | newsense | i found it no problem but im very farmiliar with the site |
| 00:47.43 | streuner | DustyDingo: you need to learn HOW to use google |
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| 00:48.37 | DustyDingo | streuner: ;) |
| 00:48.45 | newsense | google: debian lenny netinst click im feeling lucky enjoy |
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| 00:49.37 | mbent_ | gnome power manager is using 68% of swap in? |
| 00:49.42 | mbent_ | is that normal? |
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| 00:50.55 | Decepticon | how do i get this command to only show the deepst most dir.... not the dirs parent to it... find /home/decepticon/files/ -maxdepth 2 -user decepticon -type d |
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| 00:51.20 | HellMind | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.00 | \amethyst | HellMind: you can't---cd only applies to the current shell (the one launched by sudo) and not the parent shell |
| 00:53.08 | HellMind | I want to do a cd and execute something as user |
| 00:53.17 | HellMind | maybe with su ? |
| 00:53.18 | \amethyst | HellMind: you can do sudo -u user sh -c 'cd /dir; command' |
| 00:53.39 | HellMind | nice |
| 00:54.55 | themill | or cd first then use sudo |
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| 00:58.12 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i can here the disk going crazy, but in iotop, the total disk read is only 3.66M/s. the IO however is maxing at 99.99% with kjournald. |
| 00:58.27 | mbent_ | i have no idea what is happening |
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| 00:59.47 | HellMind | themill : how can I use $vars in ' ' ? |
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| 01:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, ha.. was just about to say perhaps it's swapping |
| 01:00.30 | themill | HellMind: you can't. But you can use $var inside double quotes: "$var" |
| 01:00.30 | HellMind | "" |
| 01:00.39 | HellMind | ty |
| 01:01.03 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, so.. It's swapping insanely? |
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| 01:01.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, dunno, kjournald is strange - that's... well responsible for the journal of journaling filesystems, I'd say |
| 01:01.41 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Could i have made the swap too small? |
| 01:01.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like the RAM :) |
| 01:01.58 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i have 2gb of ram |
| 01:02.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | a virtual machine roughly halves that, though |
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| 01:02.28 | roe | how is there a version of postfix release in the debian experimental repo that doesn't exist according to postfix.org? |
| 01:02.57 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, ive limited the virtualbox to 1gb of ram |
| 01:03.02 | jelly-home | roe: the package version might not be the same as the upstream version |
| 01:03.09 | Muffin | roe: One possibility is that it's an unstable release according to postfix.org. |
| 01:03.12 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, im not using any other process |
| 01:03.15 | jelly-home | judd: versions postfix |
| 01:03.15 | judd | jelly-home: postfix -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1 etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.5.5-1.1 sid: 2.5.5-1.1 experimental: 2.6-20080814-0 |
| 01:03.17 | Muffin | So if you're looking at full releases, it wouldn't work. |
| 01:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbent_, perhaps top itself can tell you more |
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| 01:03.42 | mbent_ | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, i'll try, thank you so much |
| 01:03.49 | Muffin | http://archive.mgm51.com/mirrors/postfix-source/index.html |
| 01:03.54 | \amethyst | roe: http://postfix.it-austria.net/releases/experimental/postfix-2.6-20090110.HISTORY |
| 01:03.56 | Muffin | ...lists 2.6 experimental release. |
| 01:04.04 | \amethyst | roe: that lists a 20080814 snapshot |
| 01:04.11 | jelly-home | roe: it likely means "snapshot from VCS taken on 20080814" |
| 01:04.35 | roe | gotcha, odd that a snapshot would be submitted as a package |
| 01:04.44 | \amethyst | err, not a snapshot is seems |
| 01:04.47 | \amethyst | it seems |
| 01:04.50 | jelly-home | !experimental |
| 01:04.50 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 01:05.03 | \amethyst | the date is part of the version number of experimental postfix releases |
| 01:05.26 | roe | yes, although during a freeze, most things bleeding edge or not, gets stuffed into experimental rather than unstable |
| 01:06.30 | jelly-home | roe: including the bleeding edge, yes. |
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| 01:06.56 | roe | ok, so I guess it is hard to tell, for me at least, what is bleeding edge and what isn't |
| 01:07.17 | jelly-home | treat experimental as such. |
| 01:07.26 | miaupiopio | Good night |
| 01:07.44 | mbent_ | wtf |
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| 01:07.54 | mbent_ | it thinks i only have 1gb of ram |
| 01:08.46 | jelly-home | mbent_: "it?" |
| 01:08.52 | jelly-home | mbent_: uname -r |
| 01:09.15 | \amethyst | mbent_: yeah, if virtualbox is using 1GB and you have 2GB, that leaves 1GB left over |
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| 01:10.03 | miaupiopio | sorry, can i write? |
| 01:10.14 | mbent_ | \amethyst, but my system is only showing 1gb of ram total |
| 01:10.18 | mbent_ | i think |
| 01:10.28 | mbent_ | from /proc/meminfo and free -m |
| 01:10.35 | jelly-home | mbent_: please paste the output of "uname -r" command |
| 01:11.00 | miaupiopio | In boot of debian lleny appear this message: on battery power, so skipping file system check (warning), why? |
| 01:11.09 | miaupiopio | witch no acpi also appear this message |
| 01:11.45 | mbent_ | 2.6.26-1-486 |
| 01:12.09 | \amethyst | mbent_: -486 kernel only allows up to 1GB; use -686 |
| 01:12.17 | mbent_ | really? |
| 01:12.37 | mbent_ | how odd |
| 01:12.38 | jelly-home | mbent_: install linux-image-2.6-686 and reboot into it |
| 01:12.52 | mbent_ | why only 1gb? |
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| 01:14.53 | \amethyst | mbent_: because there is a slight performance penalty for supporting more than that; and any machine that supports more than a gig is probably at least a -686 |
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| 01:16.31 | mbent_ | \amethyst, oh okay, that makes sense |
| 01:16.40 | Decepticon | how can i get it to see that files have been created in ~/watch_dir/* and that it should launch a script that manages the files created? |
| 01:16.51 | \amethyst | !highmem |
| 01:16.51 | dpkg | it has been said that highmem is what you should enable in your kernel if you have a gigabyte (or more) of RAM and Linux claims you only have 900MB. See http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebastian/weblog/12 Not to be confused with <bigmem>. Debian -486 kernel images are not highmem enabled, you'd usually want to be using a -686 kernel image instead. |
| 01:16.57 | \amethyst | and: http://lwn.net/Articles/75174/ |
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| 01:17.20 | \amethyst | though that's a little old |
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| 01:19.20 | \amethyst | mbent_: -486 is up to 1 GiB, -686 up to about 3.2 GiB (4 GiB minus however much your BIOS reserves for device addresses), -686-bigmem up to 64 GiB |
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| 01:21.10 | Decepticon | besides running a cronjob every minute, how can i watch a dir, and when files appear in it (new files), to launch a script that will take care of the files |
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| 01:22.04 | \amethyst | Decepticon: iwatch or inotify-tools maybe |
| 01:22.30 | Decepticon | \amethyst: is there much configuration involved |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | xand: ping |
| 01:23.38 | \amethyst | Decepticon: configuration, no. Scripting, probably |
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| 01:32.35 | gewt | I have issues with lenny, |
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| 01:32.49 | gewt | the kernel loggingf daemon dies daily |
| 01:33.28 | gewt | or did I restart it >< |
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| 01:35.21 | BCM43 | I am trying to set up a share so I can see a network folder from my windows computer. I can find my debian computer on my windows computer but it asks for a password. |
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| 01:36.36 | zand | abrotman: ? |
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| 01:36.57 | BCM43 | zand: is that to me? |
| 01:37.08 | BCM43 | zand: stupid question, lol |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | zand: #-ot ? |
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| 01:39.14 | abrotman | BCM43: did you try smbpasswd? |
| 01:39.19 | xand | abrotman: yes? |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | xand: -offtopic for a moment ? or msg |
| 01:40.00 | xand | you can pm me if you like |
| 01:40.35 | BCM43 | abrotman: I set it with that, but what would the user name be? |
| 01:40.58 | abrotman | BCM43: yours? |
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| 01:41.49 | BCM43 | abrotman: oh, lol, I get it, I was setting it as root |
| 01:41.51 | BCM43 | sorry |
| 01:41.57 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 01:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | BCM43, you have to add the user 1st - read the smbpasswd manpage |
| 01:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you probably do have to run it as root |
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| 01:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | (man smbpasswd then type "/ -a" without the quotes) |
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| 01:56.13 | SerajewelKS | haha i love college students |
| 01:56.19 | SerajewelKS | a few just walked by my door talking about the fact that the university still hasn't renewed some certificates used for https |
| 01:56.26 | SerajewelKS | "that means people can hack into our email!" |
| 01:56.29 | SerajewelKS | facepalm |
| 01:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | see what a dangerous world this is... |
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| 01:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, now if you know their names/email addresses, you can send emails from the address of one of them to the other and vice versa to cement their belief :) |
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| 02:01.03 | SerajewelKS | i'm all for personal liberty, but birth control should be mandatory for some people |
| 02:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bush family, for a start |
| 02:02.07 | mbent_ | SerajewelKS, are you a lecturer? |
| 02:02.14 | SerajewelKS | nah, start with the welfare class |
| 02:02.31 | SerajewelKS | mbent_: nah, a student. fellow student if you must, though i try to keep my associations loose. |
| 02:02.45 | SerajewelKS | a student with a clue though... |
| 02:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, arrogant :) |
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| 02:03.08 | mbent_ | SerajewelKS, were the students walking past... from an IT faculty? |
| 02:03.11 | SerajewelKS | though i can do a mean rant, so maybe the lecturer label isn't too wrong :) |
| 02:03.36 | SerajewelKS | mbent_: one of them was i think, but mostly the "i can use word therefore i'm a computer scientist" type |
| 02:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | he must be... nobody can really "use word" |
| 02:04.19 | SerajewelKS | those are the fun ones to be in CS classes with though |
| 02:04.19 | mbent_ | word is the most confusing thing ever |
| 02:04.40 | mbent_ | actually, the spreadsheet thing is the most confusing thing ever, then word |
| 02:05.08 | SerajewelKS | meh, they're both ok... once you wade into VBA then you've truly seen the face of the beast |
| 02:05.37 | SerajewelKS | honestly my biggest gripe about word is that people use it to email me screenshots of error messages at work |
| 02:05.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: agreed |
| 02:05.49 | SerajewelKS | because you can't just attach the screen capture, you have to paste it in a word doc first... ??? |
| 02:06.02 | SerajewelKS | one person pasted it in a word doc then zipped that up |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | to be fair .. not a word problem .. user education problem |
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| 02:06.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but like a say about VB... if a product attracts idiots, it says something about the product itself |
| 02:06.43 | SerajewelKS | and specifically in the case of VB, you should not try to attract idiots to be your developers |
| 02:06.56 | SerajewelKS | anyway... i think i've hit enough topics to start a flamewar for tonight |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if your users had OO, they'd do the same thing .. and you know it |
| 02:07.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: if my users had OO they'd be running on linux, where pasting shit in other shit doesn't even work half the time :P |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: which would result in yet another "word" document with the description of the problem, attached to an email :) |
| 02:07.56 | SerajewelKS | though i actually did get a theora video embedded in OOo presenter... i was floored that it worked |
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| 02:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a good idea to zip it up after pasting it in a word document! Word bloats like hell, he might easily get over your quota :) |
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| 02:09.08 | SerajewelKS | yeah why not embed the word doc in an excel spreadsheet too. and tar it up before zipping it. |
| 02:09.18 | SerajewelKS | i've got time to waste peeling the layers away |
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| 02:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like an onion :) |
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| 02:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | the tasty part is in the middle... |
| 02:10.16 | SerajewelKS | and opening it up makes you cry |
| 02:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | see? :) |
| 02:10.50 | SerajewelKS | half the time you don't know why you're crying... you just are |
| 02:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | happiness, for sure... pure happiness |
| 02:11.41 | SerajewelKS | no, you're crying because someone handed you an onion and you have to open it :P |
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| 02:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways they would run linux with kde ... not so far from windows |
| 02:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and pasting would probably also work ... in between kde apps at least |
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| 02:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | the best thing of all of the kde package is... |
| 02:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... that you don't have to use it |
| 02:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't hate KDE, mind |
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| 02:18.38 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ar archive! |
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| 02:20.50 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... you've just been storing up crocodile tears for new of its funeral? |
| 02:22.49 | SerajewelKS | karsten: lzh! |
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| 02:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, sure... and heavy, heavy stones |
| 02:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | bzip2! |
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| 02:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and 7z |
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| 02:28.02 | zsircusr | hello? |
| 02:28.06 | zsircusr | need some help |
| 02:28.14 | gonewestcoast | zsircusr: Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
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| 02:28.29 | zsircusr | ok |
| 02:28.31 | black_13 | how do i get gcc 3.x on debian? |
| 02:28.39 | zsircusr | how to install debian on an sbc? |
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| 02:28.54 | black_13 | zsircusr, what kind of sbc? |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | black_13: uh .. why would you want to? |
| 02:29.05 | zsircusr | i havent picked it out yet |
| 02:29.13 | zsircusr | long story or short story? |
| 02:29.37 | black_13 | zsircusr, long story im curious i work for a embedded systems company |
| 02:30.01 | black_13 | abrotman, about the gcc version? |
| 02:30.05 | zsircusr | i want to load debian onto a tiny sbc and run usbhostfs |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | black_13: yes |
| 02:30.21 | karsten | SerajewelKS: zlh? |
| 02:30.29 | zsircusr | this would allow me to use it as a hub to pass data from a usb mass storage device to a psp |
| 02:30.51 | karsten | zsircusr: What's on the sbc now? USB or PXE boot would be my suggestion. |
| 02:30.52 | abrotman | black_13: and which version of debian ? |
| 02:30.55 | WormFood | the psp acts like a usb storage device to Linux |
| 02:30.59 | black_13 | abrotman, i have software the needs gcc 3.x compile |
| 02:31.04 | zsircusr | i dont have the sbc yet |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | black_13: you need new software :) |
| 02:31.13 | zsircusr | im working out the theory first |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | black_13: gcc3.3 is in etch and 3.4 in lenny/sid i believe |
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| 02:31.31 | parodyoflanguag1 | Hello, anyone know if there is an eee specific channel for debian? |
| 02:31.44 | newsense | !versions gcc |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | parodyoflanguag1: yes, #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | newsense: wrong bot .. and not what he was asking |
| 02:32.01 | newsense | judd versions gcc |
| 02:32.02 | judd | newsense: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 sid: 4:4.3.2-2 |
| 02:32.09 | zsircusr | black you here? |
| 02:32.16 | newsense | heh first time using judd i |
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| 02:32.42 | suwro | hello |
| 02:32.55 | suwro | can someone pls guide me how to fix this |
| 02:32.58 | suwro | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.13.26_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:32.58 | suwro | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.15 | suwro | this appears on any dpkg/apt-get package install |
| 02:33.34 | black_13 | zsircusr, im here |
| 02:33.59 | Decepticon | how do i get full path in a ls listing |
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| 02:35.35 | stew | Decepticon: maybe: "ls -d $(pwd)/*" |
| 02:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | repetition day again |
| 02:36.08 | Tramp | Decepticon: why do you crosspost simulatanously in at least 3 channels? |
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| 02:36.33 | newsense | i was just thinking he same and i think he asked that early in the same 3 |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | Tramp: do you really want to know? |
| 02:37.26 | newsense | and its an easily googleable question also |
| 02:38.00 | Tramp | abrotman: do you want an answer? |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | from you or him .. nope :) |
| 02:38.34 | Tramp | thought so ;) |
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| 02:39.38 | newsense | alright out with it why ? |
| 02:40.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | because his time is so unbelievably more precious than ours, so he just asks it a 1000 times to get an answer more quickly |
| 02:40.40 | suwro | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.40 | suwro | dpkg -l libzzip* |
| 02:40.40 | suwro | pi libzzip-0-12 0.12.83-8 |
| 02:40.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching libzzip* |
| 02:40.44 | suwro | what's wrong here? |
| 02:40.47 | abrotman | suwro: you said already |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | suwro: pastebin much appreciated |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | suwro: did you fill your HDD ? |
| 02:41.16 | suwro | let me ck |
| 02:41.35 | suwro | nope |
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| 02:41.47 | suwro | /dev/sdb1 466G 1.4G 465G 1% /var |
| 02:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's var only! |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | suwro: and the rest of your HDD ? |
| 02:42.39 | suwro | /dev/sda1 2.8G 753M 2.1G 27% / |
| 02:43.18 | suwro | there's home too - but in /var is used by dpkg |
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| 02:44.05 | zsircusr | anyone know how to install debian on an sbc? |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | zsircusr: depends on the devices attached |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | suwro: you might want to try to reget the package .. could be corrupted |
| 02:44.43 | zsircusr | usb mass storage |
| 02:44.46 | zsircusr | thumb drive |
| 02:44.52 | suwro | abrotman: I did that already - same err. occur |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | zsircusr: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | suwro: hardware issues ? |
| 02:45.06 | suwro | I don't think so |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | suwro: are you trying to upgrade to lenny ? |
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| 02:45.42 | suwro | I am on lenny |
| 02:45.45 | stew | suwro: what does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libzzip-0-12.list" return ? |
| 02:45.58 | stew | libzzip-0-12 isn't in lenny |
| 02:46.18 | suwro | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 316 2008-03-28 03:30 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libzzip-0-12.list |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | and it's old! |
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| 02:46.45 | abrotman | zsircusr: no need to msg me |
| 02:46.55 | suwro | stew: I can't find libzzip any more |
| 02:47.16 | suwro | oops here it is |
| 02:47.18 | suwro | apt-cache search libzzip |
| 02:47.18 | suwro | libzzip-0-12 - library providing read access on ZIP-archives - library |
| 02:47.42 | abrotman | libzzip-0-13 is in lenny |
| 02:47.42 | zsircusr | need big help please? |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | zsircusr: just ask here |
| 02:47.59 | zsircusr | ok |
| 02:48.04 | suwro | isn't lenny the stable one? |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | not yet |
| 02:48.14 | stew | suwro: no, lenny is testing, etch is stable |
| 02:48.22 | suwro | ok I'm on stable |
| 02:48.38 | suwro | deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 02:48.52 | zsircusr | all i want is to install debian on an sbc and run a program on it that allows one slave device to stream data from a usb thumb drive via the sbc working as a usb master |
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| 02:49.53 | suwro | abrotman: this is weird look |
| 02:49.55 | suwro | cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/libzzip-0-12.list |
| 02:49.55 | suwro | cat: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libzzip-0-12.list: Input/output error |
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| 02:50.08 | suwro | abrotman: hdd ? |
| 02:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | fsck it... |
| 02:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | look in dmesg for errors 1st, though |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | suwro: so .. aptitude reinstall libzzip-0-12 .. same thing happens ? |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | zsircusr: no really .. do not msg me |
| 02:51.11 | zsircusr | ok fine |
| 02:51.21 | zsircusr | can i do what i proposed? |
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| 02:51.35 | suwro | abrotman: yes |
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| 02:51.47 | abrotman | zsircusr: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 02:51.59 | zsircusr | what does that mean? |
| 02:52.06 | abrotman | it's an IRC command |
| 02:52.07 | batcoder-7 | stupid really stupid question whats that light called that blinks i guess when your cpu is running or doing something ? |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | if the bot didn't hate me, i'd have it tell you |
| 02:52.14 | batcoder-7 | i know its always running but yea |
| 02:52.19 | suwro | abrotman: should I mount /var ro and run fsck on it? |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | batcoder-7: on your computer case? |
| 02:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh :) |
| 02:52.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | still? |
| 02:52.35 | batcoder-7 | yea abrotman |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | suwro: that's one thing you could do |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | batcoder-7: that's likely your HDD access light |
| 02:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell zsircusr -about usb install |
| 02:53.09 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, yea prolly, but now its just staying on not going off now |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | hugs dpkg |
| 02:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, stop hating abrotman |
| 02:53.14 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | batcoder-7: and what? that happens |
| 02:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | his chair or mine? |
| 02:53.39 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, i mena i restarted it just wont go off now |
| 02:53.50 | batcoder-7 | i wonder if this means anything |
| 02:53.51 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | batcoder-7: give it a few minutes .. it might be be doing something like updating the locate DB |
| 02:54.44 | batcoder-7 | its not cliniking i dont hear it accessing the hd |
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| 02:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, you're on lenny? |
| 02:55.34 | zsircusr | i still dont get it |
| 02:55.47 | zsircusr | so i install debian on the thumbdrive and boot off that? |
| 02:56.08 | batcoder-7 | Cueball, yea |
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| 02:56.47 | jabis | zsircusr, go to pendrivelinux.com and find out |
| 02:56.54 | batcoder-7 | this is annoying |
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| 02:57.05 | zsircusr | ok the point is for the sbc |
| 02:57.20 | zsircusr | it needs to run with the sbc. thats what i do not know how to do |
| 02:57.21 | batcoder-7 | anyone have an idea why my HD access light wont go off ? |
| 02:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | the southern baptist convention? |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | batcoder-7: how long did you wait? |
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| 02:57.59 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, i have restrted twice |
| 02:58.01 | suwro | abrotman: umm /var is reiserfs how do I fsck a reiser partition? |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | batcoder-7: stop restarting .. just wait |
| 02:58.07 | batcoder-7 | the computer is almost idle |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | points and laughs at suwro |
| 02:58.15 | batcoder-7 | its blinking |
| 02:58.19 | batcoder-7 | its not doing anything hmmm |
| 02:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, bot! |
| 02:58.28 | jabis | "almost idle"? |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | batcoder-7: leave it alone .. stop goofing with it .. go do something for 10 minutes |
| 02:58.46 | jabis | lol, you guise are hilarious |
| 02:58.51 | batcoder-7 | i dont even hear the HD reading or writing |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | or ignore us .. whatever |
| 02:59.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | suwro, reiserfsck |
| 02:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, but he ignored me first! |
| 02:59.33 | batcoder-7 | i will let it go for 10 mins abrotman |
| 02:59.35 | batcoder-7 | next problem |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | there is no next problem .. dont' touch the box! |
| 02:59.50 | batcoder-7 | lol |
| 02:59.57 | batcoder-7 | my usb removeable drive wont mount |
| 03:00.05 | suwro | This is not my system - Ive never installed on servers reiserfs. never used fsck on them or had anything to do with reiser. - I was using either ext or xfs |
| 03:00.13 | batcoder-7 | security policy in place prevents blah blah blah |
| 03:00.15 | suwro | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
| 03:00.50 | jabis | that sounds more like a n00buntu than a debian... |
| 03:01.11 | suwro | jabis: me? |
| 03:01.35 | jabis | no, the batcoder guy |
| 03:01.56 | zsircusr | ok |
| 03:01.57 | zsircusr | so |
| 03:02.01 | zsircusr | cool |
| 03:02.41 | DustyDingo | hm, a not so much seriouse question,... lennies 2.6.26 kernel, when booting with framebuffer no logo as pinguins are shown? is this normal, or could be because of 8 processors? |
| 03:03.01 | batcoder-7 | jabis, its debian lenny |
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| 03:06.46 | batcoder-7 | any ideas about my mount issue ? |
| 03:06.55 | datakid | I take possession of a new server, I want to call it new.mydomain.org I change the hostname to new, I go to orig server (and nameserver) and add to /etc/bind/zones/mydomain,org.zone the line new IN A <ip address>. I restart bind on nameserver. Is that all there is to it? |
| 03:07.15 | TowerNet | Hi all, I've never done a debian package for an upstream other than myself... so using an upstream package is new to me... |
| 03:08.10 | TowerNet | I have a <upstream-pkg>_<version>.orig.tar.gz, which is just a rename of <upstream-pkg>-<version>.tar.gz |
| 03:08.39 | TowerNet | I also have m working directory called <upstream-pkg>-<version>, which contains 1 single populated directory... |
| 03:08.42 | TowerNet | <upstream-pkg>-<version>/debian |
| 03:08.43 | suwro | hmm it say that I must run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree << do I still need the partition in read-only mode? |
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| 03:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | suwro, definitely... it also won't let you do it without, afaik |
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| 03:09.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 03:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | suwro, strike out that definite... I don't remember well enough to be definite :) |
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| 03:10.13 | TowerNet | First of all - is this setup normal ? i.e. I'd like my directory to only contain the debian folder, then build the diff, dsc, changes etc using it and the upstream tarball in place |
| 03:10.15 | suwro | Filesystem seems mounted read-only. Skipping journal replay. |
| 03:10.16 | suwro | Checking internal tree../ 4 (of 37)/ 1 (of 162)block 54460424: The level of the node (1856) is not correct, (1) expected |
| 03:10.16 | suwro | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.16 | suwro | finished |
| 03:10.16 | suwro | Comparing bitmaps..vpf-10640: The on-disk and the correct bitmaps differs. |
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| 03:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | buybuy |
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| 03:10.40 | suwro | oops |
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| 03:10.47 | suwro | too many lines :) |
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| 03:10.59 | suwro | Comparing bitmaps..vpf-10640: The on-disk and the correct bitmaps differs. |
| 03:11.00 | suwro | Bad nodes were found, Semantic pass skipped |
| 03:11.00 | suwro | 1 found corruptions can be fixed only when running with --rebuild-tree |
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| 03:11.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pastebin! |
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| 03:11.35 | stoned | CutMeOwnThroat, sup |
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| 03:13.40 | jabis | batcoder-7: go and set your privileges in your (k|g|x)dm environment easy as that... |
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| 03:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sup? |
| 03:14.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, you could just say it found something... not really need to paste anything here |
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| 03:15.58 | batcoder-7 | jabis, i dont understand ? |
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| 03:19.41 | batcoder-7 | jabis, is it reallly giving that problem ? my xdm ? |
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| 03:22.38 | suwro | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you for your support - I've fixed it now. |
| 03:23.14 | batcoder-7 | i am lost with this, i cant find hardly anything |
| 03:23.16 | jabis | bat, if the mount helper program using your uid (read: your username) doesn't have enough privileges (read:mount external drives) you'll get an error... |
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| 03:24.52 | batcoder-7 | jabis, i use xfce |
| 03:25.00 | batcoder-7 | its just the thunar file manager or w/e i guess |
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| 03:25.43 | \amethyst | nah |
| 03:25.45 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 03:27.37 | batcoder-7 | ay other ideas jabis ? |
| 03:27.42 | batcoder-7 | its only USB drives |
| 03:27.46 | batcoder-7 | i cant mount cd's etc |
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| 03:32.29 | amphi | batcoder-7: what happens if you try 'pmount /dev/whatever' in a term? |
| 03:34.00 | batcoder-7 | amee2k, i havent even tried manually mounting it yet heh, just i guess HAL or w/e try to auto mount or whatever wont do it |
| 03:37.13 | batcoder-7 | i dont think i have alsam installed |
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| 03:39.10 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, HDD light still strong ;) |
| 03:39.16 | stoned | amphi, hi |
| 03:39.19 | stoned | amphi, /msg ? |
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| 03:40.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, run iotop |
| 03:41.36 | batcoder-7 | what am i suppose to be looking for ? |
| 03:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the reason |
| 03:42.31 | batcoder-7 | everything says 0 |
| 03:42.47 | batcoder-7 | does it go from most usage to no usage ? |
| 03:43.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:44.01 | batcoder-7 | no usage then |
| 03:44.04 | batcoder-7 | everything is 0 |
| 03:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a total on top, too |
| 03:44.49 | batcoder-7 | this is a pythng program |
| 03:44.49 | batcoder-7 | interesitng |
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| 03:47.24 | steveoooo | when I create keys for ssh, do I need to have the same usernames on both machines? |
| 03:47.43 | \amethyst | steveoooo: no |
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| 03:51.03 | batcoder-7 | how cna i give all users power to reboot and shutdown ? |
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| 03:52.58 | ezguy | hello |
| 03:53.16 | ezguy | the usb hub does not have the specify or brand model on it |
| 03:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usershutdown |
| 03:54.48 | dpkg | i heard usershutdown is to allow a not-superuser to shutdown. have a look at http://www.patoche.org/LTT/all/00000059.html, or apt-get install sudo |
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| 03:57.30 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm .. shutdown.allow ? |
| 03:59.07 | \amethyst | abrotman: shutdown.allow requires one of those users to be logged in to a VT |
| 03:59.12 | steveoooo | when I created the ssh key, it asks me for a passphrase when I connect, the whole point was so I didnt need to type in a password, any ideas? |
| 03:59.28 | abrotman | \amethyst: i assume the person shutting down is one of those people ? |
| 03:59.38 | stew | steveoooo: change the password to an empty password |
| 03:59.48 | \amethyst | abrotman: unless you want to shut down over an ssh connection |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | \amethyst: that's bad how? :) |
| 04:00.16 | \amethyst | abrotman: what if the console freezes and you want to cleanly reboot? |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | sysrq ? |
| 04:00.41 | \amethyst | bah |
| 04:00.43 | \amethyst | :P |
| 04:00.49 | abrotman | do i get a beer? :) |
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| 04:01.00 | \amethyst | what if your keyboard explodes? :) |
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| 04:01.14 | abrotman | what if your HDD implodes!? |
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| 04:01.26 | abrotman | waves |
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| 04:04.01 | karsten | particles |
| 04:05.24 | simonrvn | karsten: hi |
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| 04:06.08 | simonrvn | \amethyst: *groan* |
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| 04:07.28 | simplechat | hey, i'm installing debian on a machine with a hardware raid controller, however although i can see all of the disks fine and the raid controller comes up, debian install sees both drives but not the raid |
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| 04:07.39 | DanDare | "<stew>steveoooo: change the password to an empty password" <- it really work this way? o.O |
| 04:07.50 | simplechat | how would i get it to see the single raid rather then the disks that compose it? |
| 04:08.19 | stew | DanDare: if you want an ssh-key that doesn't require a password, then yes, you set the password on that key to be empty |
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| 04:08.45 | DanDare | stew, ok |
| 04:09.09 | DanDare | but to have it actually using the key you must change /etc/sshd/sshd_config right ? |
| 04:09.36 | stew | DanDare: what is "it" ? |
| 04:09.53 | DanDare | to have authentication actually using the key |
| 04:09.56 | simplechat | ?? |
| 04:09.58 | DanDare | private key |
| 04:11.07 | simonrvn | you don't use the private key on the remote to auth |
| 04:11.29 | stew | DanDare: in general no, the debian packages come configured to allow auth by key. you'd have to add $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys containing the corresponding public key for the account you want to actually log into |
| 04:11.32 | simonrvn | the pub key proves to remote you have the private key |
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| 04:12.04 | stew | and ssh-copy-id is a utility to easily copy a key to authorized_keys on a remote acocunt |
| 04:12.54 | DanDare | ok, im asking this since begin because of the initial question "<steveoooo>when I created the ssh key, it asks me for a passphrase when I connect, the whole point was so I didnt need to type in a password, any ideas?" |
| 04:13.50 | DanDare | so sshd_config is yet configured since install to acept this form of authentication ? |
| 04:14.22 | stew | DanDare: the debian openssh-server packages come with sshd_config setup to accept these keys |
| 04:14.32 | DanDare | so in this case is just a matter to set password null ? |
| 04:14.44 | stew | and copying the key to authorized_keys |
| 04:14.51 | stew | the public key, that is |
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| 04:18.39 | \amethyst | err |
| 04:18.43 | \amethyst | set what password null? |
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| 04:19.19 | \amethyst | if you don't want to enter a passphrase when connecting with ssh keys, you either use ssh-agent, or leave your key's passphrase unencrypted |
| 04:19.23 | stew | \amethyst: the private key when creating a key with ssh-keygen |
| 04:19.26 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 04:19.35 | DanDare | starting from <steveoooo>when I created the ssh key, it asks me for a passphrase when I connect, the whole point was so I didnt need to type in a password, any ideas? |
| 04:20.58 | \amethyst | I was worried maybe someone was talking about setting the *user's* password to the empty string, which would be bad |
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| 04:21.58 | cwheeler | Hi I need an imapd and webmail what do you suggest? |
| 04:22.08 | DanDare | :D |
| 04:22.25 | siobhain | Lots of smiles and patience! |
| 04:22.43 | DanDare | i guess |
| 04:23.38 | siobhain | what sort of functions do you want available in webmail cwheeler ? |
| 04:23.40 | steveoooo | so now that I have the ssh keys working, how do I make rsync use them so it can work without passwords? |
| 04:24.14 | \amethyst | steveoooo: there are two possible ways. the unsafe but easy way is to create a keypair without a passphrase |
| 04:24.19 | cwheeler | it's for my brother to use so I'm not sure, what's available slobhain? |
| 04:24.28 | cwheeler | read, send, file mail? |
| 04:24.46 | \amethyst | steveoooo: the safer way is to set up ssh-agent so that you enter the passphrase once when you log in, and that's it |
| 04:25.15 | karsten | simonrvn: Hola. |
| 04:25.19 | \amethyst | steveoooo: you may already have ssh-agent running, depending on how your desktop environment is running |
| 04:25.39 | simonrvn | karsten: how's life treating you these days? |
| 04:25.48 | karsten | simonrvn: Pretty darned good. |
| 04:25.54 | simonrvn | cool :) |
| 04:25.57 | siobhain | cwheeler, there's lots of possibilities ... a friend of mine was using a webmail client that made use of AJAX.. |
| 04:25.59 | \amethyst | steveoooo: if you do have it running ( pidof ssh-agent to check), you can do: ssh-add |
| 04:26.26 | cwheeler | he uses firefox and thunderbird |
| 04:26.29 | siobhain | Since I don't know what's available ... I can't give any real suggestions |
| 04:26.35 | cwheeler | thunderbird does imap correct? |
| 04:26.35 | \amethyst | steveoooo: it will ask you for the passphrase, use it to decrypt the private key, and add the private key to the agent's keyring |
| 04:26.44 | cwheeler | webmail is for a browser |
| 04:26.57 | cwheeler | at least that's what he wants |
| 04:26.59 | karsten | simonrvn: #d-o |
| 04:27.16 | \amethyst | steveoooo: then, within that session, as long as the ssh-agent is running, you can ssh without a password |
| 04:27.27 | siobhain | thunderbird does do imap, yep |
| 04:27.49 | stew | cwheeler: but note that in debian thunderbird is named 'icedove' |
| 04:27.52 | siobhain | but webmail accesses through the browser, unless you setup your client, such as thunderbird for imap :P |
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| 04:28.42 | cwheeler | right he wants to have both |
| 04:28.57 | cwheeler | so he can use browser at work to check mail |
| 04:29.01 | steveoooo | \amethyst i already have the ssh keys working, im trying to get rsync to use the keys |
| 04:29.03 | cwheeler | so I need 2 features |
| 04:29.14 | siobhain | so webmail is the way to go |
| 04:29.38 | cwheeler | tunnel rsync through ssh steveoooo ? |
| 04:29.50 | stew | steveoooo: is this something you are scripting, to be run non-interactively? or something you are planning to run interactively? |
| 04:29.53 | \amethyst | steveoooo: is this ~/.ssh/id_dsa or an alternate name? |
| 04:30.32 | steveoooo | non interactive, the ssh keys dont use a passphrase, im using rsync to sync a couple directories, thats it |
| 04:30.33 | stew | yuck, don't use dsa |
| 04:30.54 | steveoooo | \amethyst I already have the keys working, this is about rsync |
| 04:31.19 | stew | steveoooo: you can use "rsync -e 'ssh -i /path/to/id_rsa' ..." to explicitly specify a key to use. if the key is a standard name, it should find it without specifying anything |
| 04:31.57 | \amethyst | steveoooo: what stew said. if ssh works without -i then so should rsync |
| 04:32.00 | stew | (unless for some wacky reason /usr/bin/rsh doens't actually point to ssh) |
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| 04:33.17 | \amethyst | I think rsync tries ssh before rsh anyway |
| 04:33.46 | stew | oh, maybe |
| 04:33.54 | \amethyst | I have both ssh and rsh here and don't have to do anything special to get rsync to use ssh |
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| 04:34.13 | \amethyst | (/usr/bin/rsh is netkit-rsh here) |
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| 04:34.18 | stew | \amethyst: like 'readlink -f /usr/bin/rsh' actually returns the netkit... ok |
| 04:35.16 | \amethyst | I don't know why I have that installed |
| 04:35.26 | \amethyst | I haven't needed rsh for a decade |
| 04:35.36 | Serraphyn | Hey guys, just installed r6 and getting a problem with my sound card, its an older Creative Labs Live! (value) hangs on the intialization, if I take the card out it boots fine. Card works in debian before but when I took it out I think I lost a jumper and its stuck on IRQ 10, is there anything on a normal PC that runs on IRQ 10? |
| 04:36.06 | stew | i used it once about 5 years ago to do a root passwordless rsh to sync two fileservers. i made sure they were far away from any internet :) |
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| 04:48.25 | supersoundguy | is debian's cdimage server down? |
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| 04:49.23 | Decepticon | how can i get a window in screen that is split halfway horizontally? INSTEAD of a screen session split horizontally in which i must load individual windows |
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| 04:49.42 | Decepticon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.54 | Decepticon | from what i can tell, it only does splits a whole session horizontally in which you must load windows to each splitted area... not the other way around, where i want to load a session, have only 1 window split |
| 04:50.37 | TowerNet | what's the equivalent of /etc/pki from redhat, in debian - /etc/ssl/something? |
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| 04:51.07 | Decepticon | how can i get a window in screen that is split halfway horizontally? INSTEAD of a screen session split horizontally in which i must load individual windows? from what i can tell, it only does splits a whole session horizontally in which you must load windows to each splitted area... not the other way around, where i want to load a session, have only 1 window split |
| 04:51.12 | Decepticon | oops |
| 04:53.32 | \amethyst | TowerNet: keys go in /etc/ssl/private and certs in /etc/ssl/certs/ if that's what you're asking |
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| 04:54.33 | TowerNet | which one do i use for pki though? |
| 04:54.38 | TowerNet | certs right? |
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| 04:54.50 | TowerNet | not sure if there is private stuff in pki |
| 04:54.52 | TowerNet | checks |
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| 04:56.03 | TowerNet | is it ok to create a subdirectory under /etc/ssl/certs/ though? |
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| 04:56.17 | hyde | anyone using rackable server here? |
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| 04:57.00 | Firefishe | heya peoplz |
| 04:58.16 | Firefishe | When I do an `apt-get install pkgname <TAB>, to get a list of whatever pkgname might have under it, I find I can no longer do this. What package handles this function? |
| 04:58.16 | Ace2016_- | what is a general protection ip:... sp:... error:0 mean in dmesg? |
| 04:58.35 | Ace2016_- | what is a general protection error? opera is causing lots of them |
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| 04:59.45 | zenwryly | when running aptitude and it says it's removing packages, they often have a "{a}" or a "{u}" after it. The docs are horrible. Can anyone tell me what those mean or where in the docs I can make sense of this? |
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| 05:00.03 | Firefishe | u is uninstall, I believe |
| 05:00.11 | Ace2016_- | a is automatic install |
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| 05:00.30 | Ace2016_- | zenwryly: you can cut down what deps are installed by using -R |
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| 05:01.15 | Ace2016_- | running aptitude install filelight -Rs means recommended packages are not treated as dependencies |
| 05:01.24 | Ace2016_- | loves the -R option |
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| 05:02.17 | zenwryly | Firefishe: what does that mean when apended to the packages to be removed list? I mean as opposed to {a}? |
| 05:03.52 | Firefishe | zenwryly: Actually, I only know a small amount of knowledge about aptitude. I prefer to use apt-get to install things, and synaptic as a gui front end when in X. The command `man aptitude' can give you a lot of general information, and you can pretty much figure out what flags (like the -Rs example given earlier) do what. |
| 05:04.32 | Ace2016_- | s is simulate |
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| 05:05.01 | zenwryly | Firefishe: well this isn't about a flag it's about interpreting the output. And I've been reading the man page. No dice. but thanks! |
| 05:06.22 | \amethyst | zenwryly: Hm, don't see it in the man or HTML, but it's in /usr/share/aptitude/NEWS |
| 05:06.51 | \amethyst | zenwryly: {a} means automatically installed or removed to satisfy dependencies, and {u} means removed because it is unused |
| 05:07.00 | Firefishe | zenwryly: I'll see what I can find; I'll help you. So you're saying that `{a}' is being appended when doing a remove command with aptitude? |
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| 05:07.13 | TwistOfFate | a question friends. |
| 05:07.13 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Thanks for that. |
| 05:07.22 | Ace2016_- | TwistOfFate: ask away |
| 05:07.27 | zenwryly | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 05:07.34 | TwistOfFate | wrong channel ace, sorry |
| 05:07.40 | Ace2016_- | :( |
| 05:08.01 | zenwryly | Firefishe, Ace2016_- : thanks too! |
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| 05:08.36 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Do you know how to turn on the function whereby one can do the `apt-get install pkgname <TAB>' and after hitting <TAB> a couple of times, usually, you'll get a list of available packages? |
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| 05:09.07 | Firefishe | Ace2016_-: If you want to /query me, I'll take a stab at it. |
| 05:09.21 | \amethyst | Firefishe: lenny or etch? |
| 05:09.28 | Firefishe | lenny |
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| 05:09.39 | \amethyst | Firefishe: install the bash-completion package |
| 05:09.55 | Ace2016_- | Firefishe: but you've already typed the package name, what are you trying to get tab to do? |
| 05:10.00 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Thanks, I'll see if it's there...or not. |
| 05:10.14 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: complete the next package name |
| 05:10.25 | Firefishe | Ace2016_-: Good point, I should have specified "partial pkgname <TAB>" |
| 05:10.31 | \amethyst | ah |
| 05:10.33 | \amethyst | or that :) |
| 05:10.41 | Firefishe | Like: apt-get install kde <TAB> |
| 05:10.55 | Firefishe | well, usually <TAB> * 2 |
| 05:11.15 | Ace2016_- | doesn't work, i installed bash-completion but it didn't help |
| 05:11.21 | Ace2016_- | ah maybe restart bash |
| 05:11.34 | Ace2016_- | yup works |
| 05:11.34 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: or . /etc/bash_completion |
| 05:11.40 | Ace2016_- | very useful too |
| 05:11.51 | Ace2016_- | what else will bash completion work with? |
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| 05:12.10 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: type complete to see the list :) |
| 05:12.12 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: it's long |
| 05:12.33 | Ace2016_- | i see no list |
| 05:13.01 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: the command 'complete' should print a list of lines like 'complete -o default -F _stg stg' |
| 05:13.10 | Ace2016_- | nope nothing |
| 05:13.17 | Ace2016_- | ok now it does |
| 05:13.23 | Ace2016_- | i had to close all the bash windows |
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| 05:13.32 | Ace2016_- | no that wasn't what did it |
| 05:13.39 | Ace2016_- | i still have one bash window open |
| 05:13.41 | batcoder-7 | no sound but alsaconf + alsamixer says my stuff is on and stuff |
| 05:13.47 | batcoder-7 | what should i do to find out what the deal is ? |
| 05:13.52 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: you had been trying it in an old shell probably |
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| 05:14.09 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: yea could have been |
| 05:14.57 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: it's pretty smart, too: sudo shut<TAB> will complete 'shutdown' even though it's in /sbin and probably not in your path |
| 05:15.00 | somnambulant | vnc viewer recs? |
| 05:15.52 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Well, I installed it, but it's not working. I closed all my bash windows, but no dice. Is there a file I need to activate somewhere in /etc ?> |
| 05:15.53 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: ssh <Tab> will complete hostnames from /etc/hosts and .ssh/known_hosts |
| 05:15.58 | Ace2016_- | oh thats why it wasn't working, i thought it was a bug |
| 05:16.15 | Ace2016_- | thanks, a very essential package |
| 05:16.34 | Ace2016_- | maybe add as a recommended package for sudo? |
| 05:16.35 | \amethyst | Firefishe: there are probably three commented out lines in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 05:16.43 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: it's already recommended by bash :) |
| 05:16.58 | Ace2016_- | ah and i've used -Rs all along |
| 05:18.03 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Which lines? |
| 05:18.32 | Firefishe | enable bash completion in interactive shells ?? |
| 05:18.41 | \amethyst | Firefishe: if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ]; then . /etc/bash_completion; fi |
| 05:18.43 | \amethyst | Firefishe: yeah |
| 05:19.02 | \amethyst | if you don't wnat to enable it for everybody, you can put it in your ~/.bashrc |
| 05:19.14 | \amethyst | you might not want root to have bash_completion, for example (or maybe you do) |
| 05:19.24 | Firefishe | I'm the only user on this box. |
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| 05:19.35 | \amethyst | Firefishe: there's at least root as well :) |
| 05:19.46 | Firefishe | Well, yes ;) |
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| 05:20.04 | hyde | how can I use command line to verify one dhcp fixed-address configuration entry is really in effect? |
| 05:20.11 | Firefishe | So If I just want my normal user to have that privilege, just copy those lines to the .bashrc for my user directory? |
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| 05:20.24 | \amethyst | Firefishe: yeah |
| 05:20.37 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Thanks. NIfty little trick I didn't know until tonight. Thanks! |
| 05:20.38 | Firefishe | :) |
| 05:20.49 | Firefishe | I'm *still* hopelessly basic |
| 05:21.09 | Firefishe | Or C, or Python, or Perl, or....... |
| 05:21.32 | DanDare | hyde: ifconfig |
| 05:21.34 | \amethyst | BTW, sometimes bash_completion tries to be too smart and only complete filenames with certain extensions; sometimes you need to use a file with the "wrong" extension |
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| 05:22.00 | \amethyst | if so you can use M-/ (alt-slash or <esc> slash) to get normal filename expansion |
| 05:22.08 | \amethyst | s/expansion/completion/ |
| 05:22.10 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Well, I'm wanting to use it with the apt-get install command, to see available packages under that command,. |
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| 05:23.14 | \amethyst | Firefishe: then you might want to uncomment it in /etc/bash.bashrc instead; or always run apt-get with sudo |
| 05:23.20 | hyde | DanDare: when it is not working as configured in dhcpd.conf file, and you don't have rights to restart dhcp, as a client, how can you prove that dhcp server is giving the wrong response? |
| 05:23.36 | hyde | so far, it seems the only thing is tcpdump |
| 05:24.01 | Firefishe | \amethyst: Very good then. I've got it set up where I want it now and it's working nicely :). I also usually use sudo. |
| 05:24.03 | hyde | I thought dhcp might have some quick tool to do this simple check .. |
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| 05:32.35 | siobhain | Aye Cueball_, much more attractive with the underscore! |
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| 05:34.52 | douglasjam | hi, i need wanna learn one unix distribution, what is better to learn? ( NO EASY, BETTER!) |
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| 05:36.29 | huwenfeng | i run some crontab , and the system then tells me "You have mail xxx". but in some machine, i type "mail" ,then i can see my mail. but in some other machines, when i typed mail, it said "command not found". but in /var/mail, i can read my mail there? how can i get "mail" command works, like other machines? |
| 05:36.54 | karsten | douglasjam: The best one. |
| 05:37.01 | siobhain | douglasjam, a lot of people say you learn the inner workings of linux best using Slackware |
| 05:37.03 | karsten | douglasjam: What's your background? What's your goal? |
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| 05:37.23 | siobhain | but another good way is linux from scratch |
| 05:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hyde.... gorn |
| 05:37.31 | siobhain | karsten is taking the rigth approach though ;) |
| 05:37.47 | douglasjam | in slackware can i type in terminal ( pkg_add -r namesoftware / apt-get install namesoftware ) ? |
| 05:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what do you expect as an answer if you go to #debian... |
| 05:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | SGI of course :-P |
| 05:38.28 | douglasjam | ill start computer science course, i wanna be master developper |
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| 05:39.06 | karsten | douglasjam: The obvious answer here is "Debian", and some of us think it's a good way to go. /msg dpkg why debian. |
| 05:39.16 | karsten | !tell douglasjam about why debian |
| 05:39.21 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Then there was the case of the wannabe *nix 'grammer who made a deal with the devil and sold his soularis. |
| 05:39.42 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 05:39.50 | \amethyst | I should set up a solaris VM at some point |
| 05:40.19 | batcoder-7 | sounds it not working |
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| 05:40.21 | Firefishe | \amethyst: I have on my laptop, with virtualbox. Works too slow there, but it's faster than the P4 box I'm on right now. |
| 05:40.22 | batcoder-7 | what should i do ? |
| 05:41.07 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: The first thing to do is to make sure that all your volume playback controls are not muted. |
| 05:41.13 | douglasjam | i question here, because ive download alright ubuntu and freebsd to try, i need down more to choice |
| 05:41.44 | Firefishe | douglasjam: Get debian. Once you've tried apt-get, to me, there's no going back. |
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| 05:42.19 | douglasjam | ~can i install debian in virtualbox? |
| 05:42.34 | Firefishe | douglasjam: shouldn't be a problem. |
| 05:43.22 | Firefishe | douglasjam: If one of my live cd's can work in virtualbox, installing debian should not hinder you in any way.,l |
| 05:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, now you made my fingernails curl up... |
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| 05:44.39 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh? Did I say something off color? Non debian-like I should not have said? |
| 05:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was that soularis pun... (shudder) |
| 05:45.09 | douglasjam | good 40mb small cd |
| 05:45.11 | Firefishe | LOL |
| 05:45.38 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: yes..well. it was small, so I suppose that's why it took a while. ROTFLMAO! |
| 05:46.07 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: I have a friend back in Michigan--IRC buddy, too--who affectionately calls me "punrahna." |
| 05:46.31 | douglasjam | what is the unix rankign for developers? |
| 05:46.33 | sharket | fun |
| 05:46.39 | Firefishe | lol |
| 05:47.00 | Firefishe | sharket: what are the odds for this synchronicity ;) hee |
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| 05:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Firefishe, oh dear... now my toenails curled up as well |
| 05:47.47 | Firefishe | Yes! |
| 05:47.48 | Firefishe | ;) hee |
| 05:48.12 | Firefishe | I don't get to rack them off as much as I used to when I was younger, and the 'net wasn't as 'sophisticated' as it is now (snarf) |
| 05:48.44 | Firefishe | Gads! I remember using Gopher, Archie, and Veronica |
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| 05:50.30 | Firefishe | momentarily wonders if he has, inadvertantly, used any debiantendres? |
| 05:51.00 | dec3pti0n | what pkg does C++ comes ? |
| 05:51.09 | karsten | dec3pti0n: g++ |
| 05:51.11 | dec3pti0n | doesn't seem to be on gcc |
| 05:51.42 | Firefishe | CutMeOwnThroat: Here's some plop-plop, fizz-fizz for you ;) |
| 05:52.11 | dec3pti0n | is there a way to seach for that with aptitude ? cause I tried but it seems to give a listing of all pkgs and g++ is not ther e |
| 05:52.31 | dec3pti0n | I have gobjc++ |
| 05:52.34 | karsten | dec3pti0n: you probably need to escape the |
| 05:52.41 | karsten | dec3pti0n: ... '+'s. |
| 05:52.55 | karsten | dec3pti0n: aptitude show g++ works. |
| 05:53.15 | simonrvn | dec3pti0n: g\+\+ |
| 05:53.29 | simonrvn | if you're searching within the ui ... |
| 05:54.16 | karsten | At shell: $ aptitude search 'g\+\+' |
| 05:54.27 | dec3pti0n | I had tried the scaping before but did not work ... the show one works but only gives me info on a single package which is useful but really what I'm looking for |
| 05:54.36 | karsten | double quoting [roblem |
| 05:54.52 | dec3pti0n | karsten, cool taht worked |
| 05:54.54 | dec3pti0n | thanks |
| 05:56.59 | karsten | dec3pti0n: The shell unquotes the '\' unless it's also quoted within "'" |
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| 06:01.38 | JyZyXEL | has anyone tried the awesome wm? |
| 06:01.53 | simonrvn | yes. annoying. |
| 06:02.01 | simplechat | hey, just a quick question |
| 06:02.08 | JyZyXEL | i can't even figure how you start it |
| 06:02.10 | simplechat | but what do you do when samba completely and utterly dies? |
| 06:02.24 | JyZyXEL | E: awesome: main:237: cannot open display |
| 06:02.25 | simplechat | its trying to load pcap which doesn't exist (so it can't load it) |
| 06:02.36 | simplechat | its trying to create admin accounts & all the rest, which also don't exist |
| 06:02.37 | batcoder-7 | Firefishe, they are not, i still dotn knwo what the issue is hmm |
| 06:02.57 | simplechat | what would do that? |
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| 06:04.03 | batcoder-7 | what is the best way to create a new user ? |
| 06:04.15 | batcoder-7 | i created a new user and its almost like i am in a super restricted enviroment |
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| 06:05.44 | dec3pti0n | don't get it !!! I already installed g++ and I still keep on getting this stupid error C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ... also it seems that debian does not create links ? like /usr/bin/g++ ? |
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| 06:07.37 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: When you create a new user, you have to select what groups they'll be allowed to access. |
| 06:07.57 | batcoder-7 | i see |
| 06:07.57 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: If you want to give your new user *the ultimate power*, you may add them to the sudoers file. |
| 06:08.11 | batcoder-7 | i mena this user right now cant even shutdown the machine |
| 06:08.13 | batcoder-7 | or reboot it |
| 06:08.17 | batcoder-7 | or open up alsamixer |
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| 06:08.24 | batcoder-7 | its very restricted here |
| 06:08.41 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: Just what did you use to create this new user? Also, is this your own machine or a network? |
| 06:08.45 | batcoder-7 | i always just used the user debian made me but yea i made this one and am using that |
| 06:08.54 | batcoder-7 | own machine |
| 06:09.00 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: adduser is nice to use for that |
| 06:09.02 | batcoder-7 | i think it was useradd |
| 06:09.26 | batcoder-7 | add user better then useradd ? |
| 06:09.33 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: yes |
| 06:09.37 | batcoder-7 | ok |
| 06:09.39 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: useradd is lowlevel |
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| 06:09.54 | batcoder-7 | sorry for these noob questions ben using debian for a very long time but i usually only have root + 1 other user account |
| 06:10.07 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: the manpage for adduser tells you that adduser is the user-friendly way, and that useradd is the low level way |
| 06:10.18 | solid_liq | I understand how it is, heheh |
| 06:10.21 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: You can use the 'visudo' command to edit the sudoers file if you want to be able for your new user to 'sudo commandname' for super user (root) access. |
| 06:10.38 | batcoder-7 | actually i did use adduser |
| 06:10.56 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: however, if you really want to make it simple, just use a gui-based user manager in kde or gnome. |
| 06:10.59 | batcoder-7 | but i cant even shutdown this machine unless becomng root |
| 06:11.06 | batcoder-7 | i use Xfce |
| 06:11.09 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: yeah, that's normal |
| 06:11.18 | batcoder-7 | how can i make it so i can do that ? |
| 06:11.19 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: quite normal, actually |
| 06:11.51 | batcoder-7 | my sound doesnt work either |
| 06:11.52 | solid_liq | shutdown and reboot require root priveleges, because they're tailored to multiuser machines that may have many users, and therefore you don't want one person to be able to shutdown a machine that a bunch of people are using |
| 06:11.55 | batcoder-7 | things are all messed up here |
| 06:12.10 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: groupadd |
| 06:12.11 | batcoder-7 | i can't mount a usb thumbdriv |
| 06:12.11 | batcoder-7 | e |
| 06:12.19 | Firefishe | first, type: visudo Then see what editor comes up. I don't know vi or vim commands. visudo uses nano on my box, which is a heck of a lot easier to use than vi. |
| 06:12.33 | solid_liq | they'll need to be added to the audio, video, cdrom groups at the lest |
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| 06:12.38 | solid_liq | *least |
| 06:12.55 | solid_liq | Firefishe: bah, run vimtutor |
| 06:13.05 | solid_liq | nano sucks |
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| 06:13.22 | Firefishe | solid_liq: really? never knew it existed. I'll do some playing around with it. |
| 06:13.40 | batcoder-7 | when you make a default debian user |
| 06:13.54 | batcoder-7 | what does it add them too ? |
| 06:13.57 | Firefishe | I've also used gedit to change the sudoers file, so I'm not particularly picky ;) hee |
| 06:14.06 | solid_liq | Firefishe: yeah, it makes it easy to learn the basics |
| 06:14.19 | batcoder-7 | vi is fine |
| 06:14.38 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 06:14.56 | solid_liq | vim is very fine ;) |
| 06:15.00 | batcoder-7 | what is plugindev? |
| 06:15.16 | Firefishe | solid_liq: I've always wanted to learn it, just in case I needed low level. Nano just seemed more intuitive. I started using the 'net years ago on an ancient freenet using System V via Telnet. My first irc experience was ircii. |
| 06:15.24 | batcoder-7 | solid_liq, i am not a naturalist ;) i do like a gui editor but i used vim for a very long time as well |
| 06:15.33 | solid_liq | I think plugdev is for hotplugging devices, like usb devices, but I'm not positive |
| 06:15.49 | batcoder-7 | that might make sense why i cant mount my usb thumbdrive |
| 06:15.51 | Firefishe | solid_liq: And, later on, pine. pico was my first editor, so nano just followed naturally. |
| 06:16.00 | solid_liq | Firefishe: vim isn't lowlevel, it's more sophisticated. it just has a learning curve |
| 06:16.03 | batcoder-7 | nano is not bad |
| 06:16.05 | batcoder-7 | its a nice editor |
| 06:16.19 | solid_liq | Firefishe: pine is dead. use mutt instead |
| 06:16.39 | solid_liq | Firefishe: oh, usage. yeah, I first used pine in like '91 or '92 |
| 06:16.46 | Firefishe | solid_liq: I know. There's alpine (the new pine), and I haven't used command line email clients in ages. |
| 06:16.51 | batcoder-7 | so whats hte easiest way to add my user to all those things solid_liq ? |
| 06:16.53 | solid_liq | nano *sucks* compared to vim |
| 06:17.06 | batcoder-7 | solid_liq, i am not programming just trying to add a group heh |
| 06:17.11 | Firefishe | solid_liq: I'll have to give it more of a look. |
| 06:17.18 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: addgroup |
| 06:17.39 | solid_liq | Firefishe: I use mutt for my admin e-mails |
| 06:17.50 | batcoder-7 | how can i see all the groups on this machine ? |
| 06:17.53 | batcoder-7 | solid_liq, ^ |
| 06:18.05 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: vim /etc/group |
| 06:18.16 | JyZyXEL | whats "Mod4" ? |
| 06:18.24 | JyZyXEL | its a key but what key |
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| 06:19.10 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: if you have the full vim installed, it'll give you syntax highlighting on that file too |
| 06:19.25 | Firefishe | solid_liq: you know, I wouldn't mind setting up a nice, simple environment for email. I'd like to actually run an email server on my box that I can use, instead of relying on outside boxen all the time. I guess the problem would have to be how to deal with the not-always-on issue. |
| 06:19.53 | solid_liq | Firefishe: that's why I run a home server |
| 06:20.04 | solid_liq | well, not just for a mailserver |
| 06:20.09 | solid_liq | for lots of things |
| 06:20.10 | simonrvn | a slug with an external drive |
| 06:20.31 | batcoder-7 | solid_liq, alot of groups |
| 06:20.31 | Firefishe | slug? |
| 06:20.41 | batcoder-7 | is there a list of the exact things they give by default? |
| 06:20.46 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: you don't want to add the user to unneeded groups |
| 06:21.03 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: to see what groups your account is part of, at the shell, type: groups |
| 06:21.10 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: no |
| 06:21.12 | batcoder-7 | i just want whatever debian gives me by default |
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| 06:21.31 | solid_liq | then type groups at your shell (not root, your default user account) |
| 06:21.37 | batcoder-7 | when i type groups i get my username |
| 06:21.47 | batcoder-7 | looks like i am my own group ? |
| 06:21.50 | Firefishe | solid_liq: My home is 30 feet by about 8 feet (motorhome) and I only have one desktop unit (which I'm on now, and two laptops my wife and I use through a wireless router or direct connect to the router. Don't know how a server setup'd work for me. |
| 06:22.00 | \amethyst | yes, each user has their own group |
| 06:22.14 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: yeah, there's a group created for each user too normally |
| 06:22.24 | Firefishe | solid_liq: makes me want to *experiment* now ;) |
| 06:22.27 | batcoder-7 | Firefishe, you live on the road ? |
| 06:22.32 | Firefishe | no |
| 06:22.36 | Firefishe | rent a site |
| 06:22.39 | \amethyst | groups that make sense for a user include dialout cdrom floppy tape audio video plugdev powerdev netdev camera |
| 06:22.44 | Firefishe | had it for over 3 years now. |
| 06:22.45 | \amethyst | probably others too |
| 06:22.46 | solid_liq | Firefishe: cheap used desktop from craigslist ftw |
| 06:22.48 | batcoder-7 | Firefishe, your actual home or vacation ? |
| 06:22.54 | Firefishe | home |
| 06:23.03 | batcoder-7 | where you located? |
| 06:23.04 | batcoder-7 | usa ? |
| 06:23.07 | batcoder-7 | just curious |
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| 06:23.18 | enouf | \amethyst: ya know; netdev is not even listed in /msg dpkg groups |
| 06:23.32 | Firefishe | with a tranzeo TR-CPQ-19f point-to-point 'net connection mounted on the back ladder rail. |
| 06:23.55 | Firefishe | batcoder-7: usa |
| 06:24.11 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 06:24.24 | solid_liq | enouf: netdev is in /etc/group tho |
| 06:24.42 | batcoder-7 | hmmmm |
| 06:24.51 | batcoder-7 | i mean i dont want ot just guess what groups to add too |
| 06:25.27 | \amethyst | enouf: powerdev and netdev are used by hal, I think |
| 06:26.07 | batcoder-7 | i want video sound be able ot plug in a usb device and shutdown and reboot |
| 06:26.09 | enouf | hal is now haldaemon - but ok |
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| 06:26.39 | enouf | solid_liq: indeed |
| 06:27.03 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: groups video audio plugdev for the first three |
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| 06:27.25 | batcoder-7 | how do i add again ? :P |
| 06:27.46 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: adduser lkjlkjlk plugdev |
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| 06:28.02 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: you have to log out and log back in for the change to take effect |
| 06:28.06 | batcoder-7 | all my years of using linux i always just used a gui for this or never had ot make one for my computer except the one debian made me |
| 06:28.22 | batcoder-7 | i already have a user |
| 06:28.31 | batcoder-7 | i want to add the groups to that user |
| 06:28.36 | enouf | no |
| 06:28.45 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: adduser foo bar adds the user foo to group bar |
| 06:28.47 | enouf | you add users to group(s) |
| 06:28.54 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 06:28.56 | enouf | useradd -G man useradd |
| 06:29.08 | batcoder-7 | which way is better? |
| 06:29.17 | enouf | neither - the GUI is |
| 06:29.29 | batcoder-7 | i ont have a gui but yea |
| 06:29.57 | enouf | doesnt matter, so long as you do it correctly |
| 06:30.17 | solid_liq | why's the GUI better? |
| 06:30.26 | timholum | hello i am having a problem with a script in debian-live, i have sed 's/ /\n/g' but it does not replace spaces with a new line? if i do sed 's/ /TEST/g' it replaces the spaces with TEST? any ideas as to how to get a new line? |
| 06:30.48 | enouf | solid_liq: </sarcasm> |
| 06:30.51 | Firefishe | enouf is right, neither/nor is better. just so long as it's done *correctly* for the way you end up doing it |
| 06:31.21 | solid_liq | timholum: sed 's/ /MaRkEr/g' | sed 's/MaRkEr/\n/g' |
| 06:31.23 | batcoder-7 | i added those 3 anything else recomeded \amethyst ? |
| 06:31.35 | enouf | solid_liq: how do you draw roll eyes in ascii? :-P |
| 06:31.48 | solid_liq | enouf: I've often wondered myself ;) |
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| 06:32.26 | solid_liq | if you have an answer... |
| 06:32.33 | solid_liq | is @._.@ |
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| 06:32.52 | timholum | solid_liq same ishue |
| 06:32.53 | \amethyst | timholum: err, which version of sed is it? |
| 06:33.09 | batcoder-7 | what user group controls power of the machine ? |
| 06:33.11 | solid_liq | timholum: odd |
| 06:33.17 | batcoder-7 | power as in reboot shutdown |
| 06:33.35 | timholum | 4.1.5 |
| 06:33.38 | solid_liq | batcoder-7: adm I think |
| 06:33.44 | enouf | no |
| 06:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, you can normally shut down the machine from the kdm/gdm login |
| 06:33.58 | timholum | echo `cat /proc/cmdline|sed 's/ /MaRkEr/g' | sed 's/MaRkEr/\n/g'` is my full script |
| 06:33.58 | batcoder-7 | i use xdm CutMeOwnThroat ;) |
| 06:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, ha! then you gotta know all the other stuff |
| 06:34.20 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: group powerdev will probably let you do it from GNOME or KDE |
| 06:34.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell batcoder-7 about user shutdown |
| 06:34.38 | batcoder-7 | CutMeOwnThroat, this is seriously just something i never touched, i used too when i used ot use slackware years ago |
| 06:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, damn! |
| 06:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell batcoder-7 about usershutdown |
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| 06:35.02 | simonrvn | s,too,to, |
| 06:35.02 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: but that won't affect shutting down from the command line |
| 06:35.13 | solid_liq | !usershutdown |
| 06:35.18 | batcoder-7 | i can just sudo |
| 06:35.26 | batcoder-7 | would rather not though |
| 06:35.35 | timholum | is there another command i could use to do the same thing, maybe with awk or something? |
| 06:35.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pal solid_liq |
| 06:35.35 | dpkg | points at solid_liq and laughs uproariously |
| 06:35.39 | batcoder-7 | what group allows you to shut done the machine ? |
| 06:35.43 | batcoder-7 | down* |
| 06:36.08 | solid_liq | sudo voodoo |
| 06:36.11 | enouf | none |
| 06:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, why don't you read what dpkg told you? then go the webpage therein... |
| 06:36.19 | \amethyst | timholum: it's working |
| 06:36.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you'll be in the nose |
| 06:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... in the know |
| 06:36.31 | batcoder-7 | CutMeOwnThroat, hehe didnt see that |
| 06:36.33 | simonrvn | with a hose |
| 06:36.37 | \amethyst | timholum: however, the `` is word-splitting the answer again |
| 06:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | eating a rose |
| 06:36.44 | solid_liq | !pal CutMeOwnThroat |
| 06:36.47 | simonrvn | with a hoe |
| 06:36.52 | solid_liq | what's up with that? |
| 06:36.59 | \amethyst | timholum: echo "$(cat /proc/cmdline | sed 's/ /\n/g')" |
| 06:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, you were mean to dpkg |
| 06:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | so he doesn't love you anymore |
| 06:37.11 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat: what? 10 years ago? |
| 06:37.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're game |
| 06:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lart solid_liq |
| 06:37.14 | dpkg | whacks solid_liq upside the head |
| 06:37.32 | solid_liq | !dpkg you suck |
| 06:37.34 | \amethyst | timholum: that uses $( ) because `` interacts strangely with double quotes, and is hard to nest |
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| 06:37.44 | JyZyXEL | how did you make a deb package from the sources? |
| 06:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, guess you removed some factoids? |
| 06:38.00 | \amethyst | timholum: other than nesting and included double quotes $() is the same as `` |
| 06:38.08 | solid_liq | JyZyXEL: didn't you just answer your own question? |
| 06:38.11 | timholum | thanks it works now :) |
| 06:38.17 | \amethyst | timholum: the important part is the outer set of double quotes, which prevents word splitting |
| 06:38.28 | JyZyXEL | solid_liq what |
| 06:38.35 | solid_liq | lol |
| 06:38.46 | JyZyXEL | u weirdo |
| 06:38.46 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat: I doubt that |
| 06:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't :) |
| 06:38.56 | batcoder-7 | CutMeOwnThroat, is that really the best way to do it ? |
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| 06:39.04 | batcoder-7 | seems like a hackish way to me |
| 06:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, if make up a better one, you can update the factoid |
| 06:39.20 | JyZyXEL | i bet dpkg has some info about it |
| 06:39.24 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: yes, it's hackish |
| 06:39.41 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat: what makes you think I removed some factoids? |
| 06:39.46 | batcoder-7 | also is there a right way to add my user to be allowed to use sudo ? |
| 06:39.48 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: sudo (perhaps set up to only allow /bin/shutdown) is probably the preferred way |
| 06:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | solid_liq, guess |
| 06:39.55 | enouf | JyZyXEL: what sources? |
| 06:40.07 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 06:40.07 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 06:40.10 | solid_liq | CutMeOwnThroat: uh.... no? |
| 06:40.14 | simonrvn | start reading |
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| 06:40.28 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: as root, visudo and add the line username ALL=(root) ALL |
| 06:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, I told you a non-hackish way... use kdm (that's NOT kde) and you'll be able to shutdown after logging out |
| 06:40.52 | batcoder-7 | xdm is much lighter ;) |
| 06:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, also, you can write a suid wrapper that people can call (perl with suidperl is very good for that) |
| 06:41.33 | batcoder-7 | i see |
| 06:41.36 | simonrvn | they're about the same, except you install extra packages. so technically true. |
| 06:41.37 | \amethyst | gdm has a total of 4MB resident here |
| 06:41.43 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: you can also do username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown |
| 06:41.48 | batcoder-7 | how do most user firnedly distro's do it ? |
| 06:41.51 | batcoder-7 | ubuntu etc ? |
| 06:42.16 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: they use GDM, and add the first user to the powerdev group. that's enough for graphical shutdown |
| 06:42.28 | enouf | from debian sources , easy - /msg dpkg package basics ; /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, well ... Installed-Size 1032 against 1548 in lenny... |
| 06:42.47 | \amethyst | they don't expect the user to be shutting down from the command line without using sudo or su |
| 06:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... in sid! |
| 06:42.55 | enouf | kcontrol has all that shutdown stuff |
| 06:43.07 | simonrvn | sid sid, oh sid |
| 06:43.25 | batcoder-7 | i will just sudo |
| 06:43.37 | batcoder-7 | although it would be nice to use xfce to do the shutdown |
| 06:43.47 | simonrvn | she sid on me, and then ******* (x rated) |
| 06:44.50 | solid_liq | sid and spin |
| 06:44.50 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session says it will use sudo |
| 06:44.56 | simonrvn | it's passed my bedtime, don't expect quality |
| 06:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | batcoder-7, you can also hit the reset-button |
| 06:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 06:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | windows-style |
| 06:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | or pull the plug |
| 06:45.47 | \amethyst | there's also ctrl-alt-delete at the console (not X) |
| 06:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or hitting the PC with an axe :) |
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| 06:46.43 | simonrvn | or tossing out an open window |
| 06:46.51 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's fall-down, not shut-down |
| 06:47.11 | \amethyst | I wonder if batcoder-7 tried pressing the reset button |
| 06:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, hehe... problem solved :) |
| 06:48.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | he, you're for real with that |
| 06:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I *did* add "windows-style", though |
| 06:48.49 | simonrvn | we'll see in a min |
| 06:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps time for me to run away |
| 06:49.44 | simonrvn | you have time |
| 06:49.56 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 06:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | only if it's not a journaling filesystem |
| 06:50.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or reiserfs in a bad mood |
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| 06:58.46 | pip | Hello, I got an error when shrink a extended partition within a live gparted USB system ,and I lost the partition table |
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| 07:00.30 | NGL-TwYsTeD | hi im using wicd manager and my wireless connects but after itconnects it slowly % drops to inactive any one able to help <3 |
| 07:01.00 | pip | and the entire disk was messed up because of the partition movement, but I am sure that there is a linux installation is still fine but it's invisible now becase I lost the whole partition table and got a crappy new one now on which there is only sda1 sda3(extended) sda5, and I lost sda6 to sda10 |
| 07:01.14 | pip | So please tell me how to restore it |
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| 07:05.02 | keviN09_ | hi |
| 07:05.05 | NGL-TwYsTeD | hi |
| 07:05.38 | keviN09_ | can someone say me, why i have such strange ntpdate logs in my syslog: http://pastebin.com/m1e851ee1 ? |
| 07:06.05 | batcoder-7 | how cna i see the version of a package available for DL ? |
| 07:06.10 | dec3pti0n | did debian ever release 2.6.24-19-xen kernel ? |
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| 07:20.40 | pipes | clear |
| 07:20.42 | pipes | er |
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| 07:29.08 | joanes1 | Heya |
| 07:29.15 | siobhain | Hey! |
| 07:29.18 | siobhain | How are ya! |
| 07:29.27 | joanes1 | Cool |
| 07:29.48 | joanes1 | I was just shuting down some unwanted services.. |
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| 07:30.10 | joanes1 | how do I shutdown rpc.mountd and rpc.statd |
| 07:30.10 | NGL-TwYsTeD | any one know where dreamlinux channel is? |
| 07:30.17 | joanes1 | are they required ? |
| 07:30.22 | kingsley | is intrigued to learn that pressing "n" after "aptitude install <package-name>" causes it to search for a new solution. |
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| 07:34.39 | xoz_ | NGL-TwYsTeD: google it |
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| 07:36.25 | NGL-TwYsTeD | been googling it |
| 07:36.26 | NGL-TwYsTeD | :) |
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| 07:36.38 | jones1 | Heya |
| 07:36.42 | NGL-TwYsTeD | hi :) |
| 07:37.16 | jones1 | How do I shutdown rpc.mountd and rpc.statd |
| 07:37.19 | jones1 | services |
| 07:37.37 | batcoder-7 | Doing alot of searching but how cna i find out what version of a package in the repos ? |
| 07:37.50 | batcoder-7 | i want to see the version before I install it |
| 07:37.59 | jones1 | are they really required for just visting the internet |
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| 07:38.19 | xoz_ | batcoder-7: apt-cache show <package> |
| 07:38.57 | batcoder-7 | thnks xorl |
| 07:39.00 | batcoder-7 | sorry |
| 07:39.02 | batcoder-7 | xoz_, |
| 07:39.23 | Lagbolt | batcoder-7, you can also do apt-cache policy <package> if you have multiple sources with same package that might have diff versions |
| 07:39.27 | xoz_ | jones1: /etc/init.d/nfs-common |
| 07:39.36 | xoz_ | jones1: look for any nfs related file there |
| 07:39.50 | batcoder-7 | when will lenny be the stable version ? |
| 07:40.32 | jones1 | xoz_: ok |
| 07:40.37 | xoz_ | batcoder-7: soon. just read the latest news from DPL |
| 07:41.01 | batcoder-7 | what will the next version after lenny be called ? |
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| 07:42.15 | Lagbolt | DPL? |
| 07:42.32 | xoz_ | !DPL |
| 07:42.33 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Sam Hocevar. See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 07:42.39 | Lagbolt | ah thanks |
| 07:42.41 | jones1 | xoz_: does Debian Etch have any firewall by default ? |
| 07:42.49 | xoz_ | wah, it's steve now |
| 07:43.01 | xoz_ | jones1: apt-cache search firewall |
| 07:43.19 | stew | !DPL =~ s/Sam Hocevar/Steve McIntyre/ |
| 07:43.19 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 07:43.53 | jones1 | xoz_: that gives a big list |
| 07:44.00 | jones1 | I mean installed by default |
| 07:44.04 | jones1 | other than iptables |
| 07:44.25 | xoz_ | jones1: debian has no default for firewall i think. |
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| 07:45.03 | jones1 | xoz_: I only have inetd and portmap on as per netstat |
| 07:45.19 | jones1 | so do I require a firewall as I have all other ports closed |
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| 07:46.16 | Ward1983 | euh... i seem to be unable to install debian :s |
| 07:46.24 | xoz_ | are you sharing your comp with other comps for internet access? |
| 07:46.26 | Ward1983 | i get initramfs crap thrown at me every time |
| 07:46.27 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, more info please? |
| 07:46.42 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, when booting installer? |
| 07:46.44 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, i get initramfs crap thrown at me every time, it wont boot, grub wont work, ... dunno |
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| 07:47.00 | xoz_ | Ward1983: hardware info? |
| 07:47.06 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, installing goes fine, botting wont work (and i installed before, it worked fine back then) |
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| 07:47.23 | Ward1983 | xoz_, asus p5b deluxe wifi/ap |
| 07:47.33 | Ward1983 | core2duo |
| 07:47.42 | xoz_ | Ward1983: sounds ok |
| 07:47.45 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, so after install you reboot and you get errors. is there a single install or do you have other OS's on the same machine? |
| 07:47.46 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i can pastebin details if u want |
| 07:47.55 | Lagbolt | pastebin would be good |
| 07:47.58 | xoz_ | pastebin to us |
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| 07:48.34 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, more OSes, but i dont need them to be in grub or anything, i just want grub on the same disk i isntall debian on (the other OSes can be ruined, they are gonna be reinstalled after debian is installed anyway) |
| 07:48.36 | steveoooo | when does the system run the cron.daily scripts? |
| 07:48.43 | Ward1983 | what the |
| 07:48.49 | steveoooo | 2am 3am? |
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| 07:49.06 | Ward1983 | lol a piece of the text was not visible for a moment |
| 07:49.19 | Ward1983 | xoz_, Lagbolt what do you want to see? lspci? |
| 07:50.07 | Ward1983 | xoz_, Lagbolt lspci output: http://pastebin.com/m1d52a7e7 |
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| 07:51.23 | Ward1983 | xoz_, Lagbolt :s ping? |
| 07:51.57 | Lagbolt | what is the error when you reboot? |
| 07:52.27 | babuun | steveoooo: from my /etc/crontab, 0625 |
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| 07:52.39 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, was too long to write down |
| 07:52.57 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, it started booting though, but stopped with crap about initramfs |
| 07:53.14 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, this is the most frustrating experience i ever had with a distro btw |
| 07:53.14 | xoz_ | Ward1983: what kernel image? |
| 07:53.44 | Ward1983 | xoz_, let me check i should be able to open menu.lst |
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| 07:53.56 | xoz_ | Ward1983: haha. first time for debian? just be patient. you are on the right track once you got it. |
| 07:54.09 | Ward1983 | xoz_, no not the first time |
| 07:55.04 | xoz_ | Ward1983: try another kernel image. im thinking the initramfs creation maybe. |
| 07:55.07 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, strange that it installs but wont reboot. are you sure the grub entries are correct? did you let the installer install to the MBR? was there a grub previously on this machine? |
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| 07:55.21 | xoz_ | Lagbolt: possible the installer is using another kernel image |
| 07:55.47 | xoz_ | Lagbolt: but during reboot, the later kernel image have some problems. |
| 07:55.52 | Ward1983 | xoz_, /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 07:56.05 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, they are not correct probably |
| 07:56.24 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, i do not know how to find out wtf hd 0,0 is, etc |
| 07:56.28 | Ward1983 | it seems to change |
| 07:56.46 | xoz_ | Ward1983: yeah,possible also the drive location. |
| 07:56.55 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, it changes? what drive did you install to? what did you partition. |
| 07:57.13 | Ward1983 | xoz_, all that just happened automatically last time |
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| 07:57.15 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, what kernel were you expecting? not the one you listed? |
| 07:57.25 | xoz_ | Ward1983: ive seen that also. |
| 07:57.26 | Ward1983 | Lagbolt, yes the kernel is just fine |
| 07:57.39 | Ward1983 | so what should i do :s |
| 07:57.46 | xoz_ | Ward1983: some bug with the update-grub script |
| 07:57.49 | Ward1983 | im starting to think of another distro |
| 07:57.56 | Ward1983 | ffs |
| 07:58.01 | Ward1983 | great for new users i might add |
| 07:58.09 | Ward1983 | great to keep them MILES away from linux |
| 07:58.14 | Lagbolt | well it would be helpful if you could at least give us the basics on the reboot error, maybe you can boot the installer in rescue mode, then chroot and reinstall the kernel |
| 07:58.34 | Ward1983 | i tried everything and each time i need to download a ton of files.... |
| 07:58.38 | Ward1983 | because of this stupid netinst |
| 07:58.58 | Ward1983 | (we need to pay for the bandwidth over here) |
| 07:58.59 | xoz_ | Ward1983: this kind of experience makes you expert. think positive. this is not a non-trivial thing. |
| 07:59.02 | Lagbolt | Ward1983, a ton of files? are you using a net install? you could just install the base system to test it. then there should be very limited download |
| 07:59.20 | xoz_ | Ward1983: your root is in hda or hdb? or sda? |
| 07:59.38 | Ward1983 | xoz_, as far as i know its on sdc but apperantly i got a sdd too for some sick reason |
| 07:59.46 | Ward1983 | i do not know where to get the right information |
| 07:59.58 | Ward1983 | its on the third disk |
| 08:00.00 | Ward1983 | thats for sure |
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| 08:00.03 | xoz_ | Ward1983: fdisk -l /dev/ |
| 08:00.30 | Ward1983 | xoz_, will the output be the same on a live bootcd? (i booted a ubuntu livecd now to get on IRC) |
| 08:00.32 | xoz_ | Ward1983: fdisk -l /dev/sdd |
| 08:00.45 | xoz_ | Ward1983: fdisk -l /dev/sdc |
| 08:01.13 | Ward1983 | xoz_, oh i got a sde aswell now :D |
| 08:01.27 | Ward1983 | xoz_, with 7 partitions :o |
| 08:01.29 | Ward1983 | hahaha |
| 08:01.35 | xoz_ | Ward1983: yep |
| 08:01.55 | xoz_ | Ward1983: how many disks you have? |
| 08:01.55 | Ward1983 | xoz_, Cannot open /dev/sdd |
| 08:02.00 | xoz_ | ok |
| 08:02.04 | Ward1983 | xoz_, 4 + an external |
| 08:02.06 | xoz_ | then it should be sde |
| 08:02.13 | xoz_ | sd 5 |
| 08:02.24 | xoz_ | error, sd 4 |
| 08:02.43 | Ward1983 | xoz_, nope its /dev/sdc1 145G 2.7G 135G 2% /media/disk |
| 08:02.45 | xoz_ | hd4, |
| 08:03.04 | Ward1983 | right now on the liveCD its sdc1 i checked with df-h |
| 08:03.06 | xoz_ | Ward1983: then that is hd2,0 |
| 08:03.22 | Ward1983 | xoz_, yes i figured that, i pressed e in grub to alter |
| 08:03.31 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i set 2,0 and sdc1 |
| 08:03.38 | Ward1983 | xoz_, still initramfs crap |
| 08:03.43 | xoz_ | Ward1983: i think during update-grub process... it changes. |
| 08:03.49 | xoz_ | goto menu.lst |
| 08:03.57 | Ward1983 | also yesterday when i first started trying to install debian i got initramfs crap while installing.... |
| 08:04.14 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i got menu.lst open |
| 08:04.14 | xoz_ | force grub to have your default root in 2 |
| 08:04.30 | xoz_ | Ward1983: search for default directive |
| 08:04.59 | Ward1983 | xoz_, phrase not found |
| 08:05.17 | xoz_ | wait |
| 08:05.20 | xoz_ | wrong |
| 08:05.26 | xoz_ | look for groot |
| 08:05.46 | Ward1983 | xoz_, aha :D that says 0,0 yeah |
| 08:05.49 | Ward1983 | should be 2,0 |
| 08:05.54 | xoz_ | yep |
| 08:06.01 | Ward1983 | xoz_, but its commented out though |
| 08:06.07 | Ward1983 | so i doubt thats the prob |
| 08:06.08 | xoz_ | then, next time update-grub reads it, it should be ok |
| 08:06.20 | xoz_ | Ward1983: it is i think. |
| 08:06.28 | xoz_ | Ward1983: uncomment it |
| 08:06.32 | Ward1983 | so "# groot=(hd0,0)" becomes "groot=(hd2,0)" ? |
| 08:06.36 | Ward1983 | ok |
| 08:06.58 | xoz_ | then kopt=root=/dev/sdc1 |
| 08:07.11 | xoz_ | or wherever is the root |
| 08:07.26 | xoz_ | add ro |
| 08:07.41 | Ward1983 | xoz_, all done, ill try rebooting and come back either from debian or from the liveCD |
| 08:07.48 | Ward1983 | xoz_, thanx brb |
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| 08:19.06 | Ward1983 | xoz_, "error2: bad file or directory type" |
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| 08:20.41 | Ward1983 | is going to smoke a complete pack of sigarets |
| 08:20.41 | Ward1983 | (sorry for bad english lol) |
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| 08:29.37 | xoz_ | Ward1983: try running update-grub |
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| 08:31.07 | xoz_ | Ward1983: also, mv menu.lst menu.old |
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| 08:31.24 | xoz_ | Ward1983: then update-grub. check if it generates correct menu.lst |
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| 08:34.15 | Ward1983 | xoz_, from the ubuntu liveCD ? |
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| 08:34.24 | Ward1983 | xoz_, thats what im on now to get on IRC |
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| 08:35.01 | xoz_ | Ward1983: no. chroot to your root |
| 08:35.32 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i dunno much about chroot other then (not in detail) what it is |
| 08:35.38 | Ward1983 | xoz_, how would i do that |
| 08:35.56 | xoz_ | Ward1983: do you have chroot? |
| 08:36.13 | Ward1983 | xoz_, no idea |
| 08:36.37 | xoz_ | we need to change to the root of your hd so that all operations will be towards you root file system, not to the livecd |
| 08:36.53 | Ward1983 | xoz_, yes i understood that, jsut not how to do it |
| 08:37.03 | Bladerunner05 | may I run tune2fs -c xx on a mounted partition ? |
| 08:37.11 | Ward1983 | xoz_, what packagename do i need? |
| 08:37.15 | xoz_ | Ward1983: mount first your root to a <dir> |
| 08:37.28 | xoz_ | Ward1983: then, chroot <path of dir> |
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| 08:38.08 | Ward1983 | xoz_, damn chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 08:38.19 | Ward1983 | great livecd... lol |
| 08:38.43 | xoz_ | wait, what is your fs? ext3? |
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| 08:39.10 | Ward1983 | xoz_, it should be |
| 08:39.25 | xoz_ | Ward1983: you use several partitions? /usr /home in different partitions? |
| 08:39.25 | Ward1983 | xoz_, debian uses ext3 by default right? if so then its ext3 |
| 08:39.41 | xoz_ | Ward1983: ok. no problem with that |
| 08:39.43 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i didnt manually format i chose "use drive" (in dutch i dunno the right translation) |
| 08:39.57 | Ward1983 | xoz_, nope all in one partition + a swap thats it |
| 08:40.00 | xoz_ | Ward1983: meaning all files in just one partition? |
| 08:40.07 | Ward1983 | xoz_, offcoutrse |
| 08:40.14 | xoz_ | Ward1983: then, /bin/bash should work when you chroot |
| 08:40.28 | Ward1983 | xoz_, yeah its probably an issue with the livecd im using |
| 08:40.45 | xoz_ | Ward1983: can you check the menu.lst? |
| 08:40.51 | Ward1983 | xoz_, yep |
| 08:40.54 | xoz_ | pastebin it to us. the one n your hd |
| 08:40.56 | Ward1983 | xoz_, pastebin? |
| 08:41.01 | Ward1983 | xoz_, lol timing, ok will do |
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| 08:41.37 | Ward1983 | xoz_, http://pastebin.com/m3b16baae |
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| 08:43.02 | xoz_ | Ward1983: seems ok now. what is the error? |
| 08:43.29 | Ward1983 | xoz_, liek i said: "error2: bad file or directory type" |
| 08:43.50 | Ward1983 | xoz_, above that it also says "filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83" |
| 08:44.09 | Ward1983 | xoz_, /dev/sdc1 is ext3 i checked with gparted |
| 08:44.41 | xoz_ | Ward1983: seems this is an issue in ubuntu. are you sure you are using debian? |
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| 08:44.48 | steven | Hi |
| 08:45.01 | xoz_ | Ward1983: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q="error+2%3A+bad+file+or+directory+type"&spell=1 |
| 08:45.27 | Ward1983 | xoz_, like i said several times: im trying to install debian, i didnt sudceed, now im on the ubuntu liveCD |
| 08:45.30 | steven | Any users of iLO here that's got the java RemoteConsole working ? |
| 08:45.38 | Ward1983 | are you gonan blame ubuntu for debian installation issues? |
| 08:45.54 | steven | i can't seem to get it working in lenny with iceweasle tried java 1.5 and 6 ? |
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| 08:46.07 | Ward1983 | xoz_, if you prefer i can burn another liveCD and use that |
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| 08:46.28 | xoz_ | Ward1983: try to download a different kernel. try non 64-bit kernel? |
| 08:46.38 | Ward1983 | xoz_, erm, i need 64bit |
| 08:46.59 | xoz_ | Ward1983: ok.... it is time to install lilo :) |
| 08:47.05 | xoz_ | Ward1983: seems a grub problem. |
| 08:47.11 | Ward1983 | xoz_, never used it so i dont think thats a good idea |
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| 08:47.43 | xoz_ | Ward1983: haha |
| 08:48.08 | xoz_ | Ward1983: most of the noise with this error points to grub |
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| 08:49.19 | Ward1983 | xoz_, gonna check in #grub and #linux first, if i cannot resolve it im gonna stop wasting my time on debian |
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| 08:49.21 | xoz_ | Ward1983: are you using any raid? |
| 08:49.33 | Ward1983 | xoz_, fakeraid raid0 array for windows |
| 08:49.42 | Ward1983 | xoz_, disks are detected seperate in linux |
| 08:49.48 | xoz_ | Ward1983: the problem is not debian specific. google the error message, it is everywhere. |
| 08:50.07 | xoz_ | Ward1983: you may look into that raid thingy |
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| 08:50.19 | Ward1983 | xoz_, debian worked fine before, it doesnt anymore now, to a simple non-dev user like me that says: stay away from debian, time for something new |
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| 08:50.37 | Ward1983 | xoz_, debian worked fine with my fakeraid array before |
| 08:50.56 | xoz_ | Ward1983: as i said, the problem is not debian. f9,suse,ubuntu, all uses grub. blame grub, not debian. |
| 08:50.59 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: and to a scientist it means little of the sort, since debian has a known history of working and others have an unknown history |
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| 08:51.12 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: as far as you are concerned anyway |
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| 08:51.29 | niklaswe | i have installed pure-ftpd i can connect to i from localhost, but i cant connect to i from any other machine... i have set so i listen on all interface any ide? |
| 08:51.30 | xoz_ | Ward1983: your logic of blaming debian is flawed... |
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| 08:51.49 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: check the firewall and any routing issues |
| 08:51.49 | Ward1983 | SerajewelKS, if you assume i only ever tried debian then that would be valid |
| 08:51.50 | xoz_ | Ward1983: check google and see that it is not debian specific |
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| 08:52.10 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: i dont have any iptables rules on it |
| 08:52.10 | Ward1983 | xoz_, and yet debian is the only OS i ever saw it with :s |
| 08:52.11 | Ward1983 | weird |
| 08:52.12 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: well, since you did not provide that information |
| 08:52.22 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: are there any hops between the boxes? |
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| 08:52.49 | Worf | googles for fakeraid and is getting sick |
| 08:53.02 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: the ftp is an virtual machine, can that have something with? |
| 08:53.06 | xoz_ | Ward1983: hey, you have not done rigourous testing and checking with other distro... so dont be haste in making conclusions. you just have a biased sampling... |
| 08:53.11 | xoz_ | statistically speaking. |
| 08:53.17 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: and announcing that your continued use of debian is dependent on fixing an issue like this is not only redundant but is unlikely to motivate anyone to help you |
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| 08:53.36 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: potentially, the more details the better |
| 08:53.39 | xoz_ | is motivated to help lost souls. haha |
| 08:54.21 | Ward1983 | SerajewelKS, next time i'll start kissing some but first if you want |
| 08:54.30 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: and by "localhost" do you mean the guest or the host? |
| 08:54.40 | xoz_ | thinks if Ward1983 installs other distro, he'll have same problem. |
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| 08:54.47 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: i have installed the ftp-server on an vmware-server virtuall machine, and trying to connect to it from the "main" server.. and the other guest os. |
| 08:54.58 | Ward1983 | SerajewelKS, also note that i said thanx to xoz_ , im a nice guy :p |
| 08:55.04 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: honestly, just not being combative and saying that debian must be the issue would suffice... |
| 08:55.12 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: yes i forgott to wrote that i mean the guest host :) sorry |
| 08:55.16 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i had another distro which worked so... lol |
| 08:55.18 | Ward1983 | and used grub |
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| 08:55.24 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: i know, but the last few things you've said sound like someone going off in a huff because they can't get it work, throwing blame around, etc |
| 08:55.26 | xoz_ | Ward1983: distro name? |
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| 08:55.41 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: so you can connect to the guest ftp server from the host? |
| 08:55.44 | Ward1983 | xoz_, ubuntu was the latest :) |
| 08:56.13 | Ward1983 | xoz_, decided to go for debian because i want to use xen, and ubuntu hs no xen kernel in its repos unless you go for the 8.04 server edition |
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| 08:56.18 | Ward1983 | they dropped support for xen |
| 08:56.23 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: yupp from my guest host (there the ftp-server is running on) but not from any other host. |
| 08:56.26 | xoz_ | Ward1983: try copying the kernel of ubuntu and make changes to your menu.lst. let's see if it's the kernel |
| 08:56.40 | Ward1983 | xoz_, too late the kernel from ubuntu is goe |
| 08:56.42 | Ward1983 | gone |
| 08:56.47 | xoz_ | Ward1983: haha |
| 08:56.47 | \amethyst | hm |
| 08:56.56 | Ward1983 | xoz_, lol from my disk i mean |
| 08:56.59 | xoz_ | Ward1983: only if you can chroot. |
| 08:57.08 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: how are the network interfaces on the VM host configured? what VM software are you using? |
| 08:57.11 | Ward1983 | xoz_, i dunno anything about kernel stuff... |
| 08:57.12 | Peanut | Hi, good morning - how can I disable that my Etch turns a firewire device into another ethernet port, showing up in ifconfig? |
| 08:57.15 | xoz_ | Ward1983: try debian boot livecd and use chroot |
| 08:57.19 | Ward1983 | only that i can install or compile them |
| 08:57.27 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: i have static ip on them and i using vmware-server |
| 08:57.36 | Ward1983 | xoz_, can you give me the link? the website is too confusing for me |
| 08:57.37 | SerajewelKS | Peanut: why does it matter, as long as you don't try to use it? |
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| 08:57.48 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: "static ip on them" isn't enough information |
| 08:57.50 | xoz_ | Ward1983: or copy the kernel image from the installer of debian. |
| 08:57.56 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: everything else work like ssh/apache and that.. just the ftp. |
| 08:58.01 | xoz_ | are you using lenny? |
| 08:58.07 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: pastebin the output of "ifconfig" ande "route" |
| 08:58.16 | Ward1983 | xoz_, this is all too much of a hassle |
| 08:58.19 | _buffer | hi |
| 08:58.28 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: other hosts on the network can connect to ssh and apache running in the VM guest? |
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| 08:58.44 | xoz_ | Ward1983: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:58.51 | Ward1983 | xoz_, thanx for the help but im giving up now |
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| 08:59.08 | xoz_ | Ward1983: haha. you are not born to debian. |
| 08:59.09 | \amethyst | Ward1983: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111677 might be relevant |
| 08:59.15 | Peanut | SerajewelKS: because it takes up the name (eth0) of a port, and because none of my other servers have it. I know how to fix z25-persistant-net-rules, but it's just a hassle. |
| 08:59.15 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: SerajewelKS yes other hosts on the net can connect to ssh and surf to the apache-server |
| 08:59.16 | Ward1983 | xoz_, thats true i dont like hell |
| 08:59.45 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: running on the VM guest? |
| 08:59.52 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, thats fixed in ubuntu though :s |
| 09:00.01 | SerajewelKS | Peanut: so it's purely for cosmetic reasons? |
| 09:00.01 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, do oyu think debian still has that bug :s |
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| 09:00.36 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: yes apache-server is running on the same VM guest |
| 09:00.51 | xoz_ | Ward1983: hell is relative. hell for you is heaven to us. |
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| 09:00.57 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: can other hosts not connect to port 21 at all, or are transfers failing? |
| 09:00.59 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: http://www.pastebin.ca/1307923 from router and ifconfig |
| 09:01.06 | Ward1983 | xoz_, if you want to waste tons of time thats true |
| 09:01.13 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: the cant connect to port 21 at all |
| 09:01.21 | xoz_ | Ward1983: ive been to ubuntu. you really missed a lot of things out there. it is only purgatory. |
| 09:01.33 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: what is the output of the same commands on the host? |
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| 09:01.40 | xoz_ | Ward1983: i never thought it is a waste of time to learn and discover things. |
| 09:01.46 | Ward1983 | xoz_, degbian worked FINE before :@ |
| 09:01.55 | Ward1983 | debian even |
| 09:02.08 | xoz_ | Ward1983: problems are opportunities to explore. boring thing if you don't have any challenge. |
| 09:02.09 | Ward1983 | kindof a negative evolution no |
| 09:02.20 | Peanut | SerajewelKS: Partly perhaps, but also because we keep reconfiguring this box (10G ports) and this silly ieee/ohci thing ends up claiming eth0 |
| 09:02.24 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: the first is from the route command |
| 09:02.27 | Ward1983 | oh so we create problems so people can "learn" |
| 09:02.38 | Ward1983 | i didnt know that was a policy |
| 09:02.41 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: i know, i can read |
| 09:02.47 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: but i need the output from the host box too |
| 09:02.49 | xoz_ | Ward1983: work fine before is not a guarantee for any distro. |
| 09:02.55 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: oh wait then :) |
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| 09:03.09 | xoz_ | Ward1983: we don't create problems. we search and encounter them along the way. |
| 09:03.12 | \amethyst | Ward1983: what version of debian did you have before, and what version do you have now? |
| 09:03.27 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, allways stable |
| 09:03.39 | Ward1983 | dunno version |
| 09:03.41 | xoz_ | Ward1983: the problem of using ubuntu is that it gives you a sense of helplessness when problem occurs. |
| 09:03.55 | \amethyst | Ward1983: it might be that you were using lilo before and are now using grub |
| 09:04.25 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, aha, well i guess i can try to reinstall with lilo if thats not extremely hard |
| 09:04.29 | \amethyst | hm |
| 09:04.38 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i didnt see the option while installing |
| 09:04.40 | xoz_ | Ward1983: believe me. changing distro will no solve your future problem. you have to change your attitude if you encounter things like these. |
| 09:04.55 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: the guest-vm are using bridged interface http://www.pastebin.ca/1307926 |
| 09:04.57 | Ward1983 | xoz_, im trying to isntall since last night... i got other stuff to do.... |
| 09:05.20 | \amethyst | Ward1983: you should be able to drop to a shell late in the install process (after grub is installed but before reboot) and remove grub and install lilo |
| 09:05.31 | Ward1983 | ah man |
| 09:05.45 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: i don't see a bridge there but ok |
| 09:05.49 | \amethyst | Ward1983: I'm not sure if there's a user interface way to do it |
| 09:05.49 | Ward1983 | never mind |
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| 09:06.04 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, this is all stuff i really dont want to do everytime i reinstall my OS |
| 09:06.11 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: what happens if you try to 'telnet 192.168.2.201 21' from another box on the lan? |
| 09:06.12 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: i set that in the vmware-server |
| 09:06.13 | xoz_ | Ward1983: anyway, good luck to your musings with linux. |
| 09:06.17 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, im gonna forget how to do it etc etc, its not a good solution :( |
| 09:06.35 | Ward1983 | i guess debian is just not for me |
| 09:06.47 | SerajewelKS | \amethyst: in expert mode i believe you can pick with the menus |
| 09:06.49 | Ward1983 | i thought it stood for usabillity and ease |
| 09:06.53 | xoz_ | Ward1983: to think, the problem is grub. it is overkill to change distro if you are patient enough to solve it. |
| 09:07.00 | L|NUX | how can i hide OS Fingerprinting, i have tried grsecurity patch after rebooting system into grsecurity patched kernel and scanning from nmap it still shows OS and Kernel Version |
| 09:07.01 | Ward1983 | but apperantly its only for freaks that use linux for ten years |
| 09:07.07 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: dispense with the trolling please |
| 09:07.14 | niklaswe | i get connected and after 2 -3 sec i got connection closed by foreign host |
| 09:07.25 | Ward1983 | xoz_, other distros work fine....... |
| 09:07.27 | \amethyst | Ward1983: you should at least file a bug report against debian-installer describing your experience |
| 09:07.31 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: sounds like an ftp server issue then, not a networking issue |
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| 09:07.45 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, SORRY NO TIME, WASTED ENOUGH TIME ALLREADY |
| 09:07.53 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, WOW SORRY CAPSLOCK |
| 09:07.56 | \amethyst | then why are you still here? |
| 09:07.57 | Ward1983 | ffs |
| 09:07.59 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: so you complain and aren't willing to help debian fix the problem |
| 09:08.19 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i was about to leave but people keep talk to me and im not so rude to leave without answering |
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| 09:08.30 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: the BTS exists for a reason, file a bug report or just switch distros already and stop whining |
| 09:08.40 | L|NUX | any one ? |
| 09:08.47 | Ward1983 | SerajewelKS, liek i said ubuntu has fixed it allready, so it should be too hard for debian to take it from them..... |
| 09:08.51 | niklaswe | SerajewelKS: okey, do you have any ide? :) what it can be? |
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| 09:09.03 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: so file a bug report so the installer maintainers know about it |
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| 09:09.20 | SerajewelKS | niklaswe: not really, i don't use that particular ftp server |
| 09:09.21 | Ward1983 | SerajewelKS, ok where? just to show im not a bad guy |
| 09:09.32 | \amethyst | Ward1983: we haven't established that Debian hasn't fixed it, since you have only tried etch (and from the kernel version it sounds like not etchnhalf) |
| 09:09.46 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 09:09.54 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ok what version do you recommend for using xen? |
| 09:10.05 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, its not a productive environment its just at home to learn |
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| 09:10.16 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: see the section on sending bug reports by email, and use the debian-installer package |
| 09:10.33 | \amethyst | Ward1983: I'd try lenny. If the installer still gives you the same problems, please file a bug report |
| 09:10.44 | \amethyst | Ward1983: otherwise other people in your situation will suffer as well |
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| 09:12.22 | SerajewelKS | heads off to bed |
| 09:12.25 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ok ill try that version, i read there were no xen packages in it but apperantly there are |
| 09:12.35 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, thanx for the suggestion |
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| 09:12.52 | SerajewelKS | i hope this isn't for a production environment... |
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| 09:13.42 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: if it makes you feel any better i dealt with a kernel bug for about six months on debian before getting my system stable |
| 09:13.46 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, jsut to make sure: the first CD from here will do? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 09:14.27 | Ward1983 | SerajewelKS, no that makes me feel bad for whats yet to come... |
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| 09:14.48 | \amethyst | Ward1983: I'd try the RC1 (it uses the new updated installer): |
| 09:15.06 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: except that it was a kernel bug... every distro with a few versions of the kernel had the issue |
| 09:15.08 | bas | i just created an update to a package, which did not have an upstream change, so added a -1 to the orig version number. however now linda warns that my package: "Package switches from native to non-native version number".. any ideas? |
| 09:15.20 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, link please? its all very confusing |
| 09:15.26 | SerajewelKS | Ward1983: so switching to ubuntu for example would have done nothing in my case |
| 09:15.44 | \amethyst | Ward1983: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 09:16.01 | \amethyst | Ward1983: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is the front page |
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| 09:17.01 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ok thanx |
| 09:17.10 | Ward1983 | time to go for a smoke again i guess |
| 09:17.23 | Ward1983 | 450kb/sec is the max i can download... |
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| 09:19.00 | bas | is there another debian channel where debian developers hang out? |
| 09:19.34 | \amethyst | bas: there are a number of channels on OFTC.net |
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| 09:22.00 | bas | \amethyst: thx! |
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| 09:22.38 | \amethyst | bas: there are some DDs here, too, of course |
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| 09:31.09 | pirx_ | anyone here who has used debconf and knows where to put those template files that contain the questions/info? |
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| 09:35.29 | \amethyst | pirx_: man dh_installdebconf |
| 09:35.45 | \amethyst | pirx_: they eventually wind up in the control.tar.gz |
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| 09:36.43 | \amethyst | pirx_: you might find more help about packaging questions in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:37.16 | \amethyst | (I guess "eventually" they wind up in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ if that's what you're asking) |
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| 09:43.07 | beniya | hi |
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| 09:49.11 | deags | Failed to fetch ftp://85.17.159.15/debian/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-debian/libavcodec51_0.svn20080206-12_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-debian/libavcodec51_0.svn20080206-12_i386.deb: No such file or directory ' |
| 09:49.18 | deags | i've done apt-get update |
| 09:49.29 | deags | yet it still tries to down old packages |
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| 09:52.38 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, wish me luck / cross your fingers, cd is burned, gonna try and see if the issue is fixed |
| 09:52.51 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, again thanx for the help (the others aswell offcourse) |
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| 09:59.17 | deags | o i see |
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| 10:01.31 | bonifacy | hi everybody ;) |
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| 10:08.21 | _buffer | hi |
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| 10:08.33 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, pfffffffffffffffff some corrupt file on my damn CE |
| 10:08.36 | Ward1983 | CD |
| 10:08.56 | Ward1983 | how do i check my IDO for errors ? |
| 10:09.04 | Ward1983 | ffs why cant i type... |
| 10:09.11 | Ward1983 | how do i check my ISO for errors? |
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| 10:09.46 | koan | Ward1983: with md5sum |
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| 10:10.10 | koan | if the site you downloaded the iso from lists the correct md5 checksum |
| 10:11.02 | Ward1983 | is wondering what problem he will get next |
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| 10:11.21 | Ward1983 | koan, dunno how to do that ill try thanx |
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| 10:11.39 | Ward1983 | pffffff my scrollback is not here offcourse |
| 10:11.41 | Ward1983 | livecd |
| 10:11.55 | koan | Ward1983: just run md5sum foobar.iso and compare the number it gives with the number on the website |
| 10:12.09 | Ward1983 | koan, my scrollback is gone i dunno the link anymore |
| 10:12.17 | Ward1983 | koan, im on a liveCD because i assumed debian would install |
| 10:12.24 | Ward1983 | (because it sis before) |
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| 10:12.57 | Ward1983 | and i had the RC1 image, which had the same name as the regular one |
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| 10:13.04 | Ward1983 | so thats gonna make it more confusing to find out the right link |
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| 10:14.10 | Ward1983 | pfffffff |
| 10:14.15 | Ward1983 | are there logs for this channel somewhere>? |
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| 10:18.55 | Ward1983 | prays to god for a decent download now |
| 10:19.00 | lqdai | hello |
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| 10:19.01 | Ward1983 | i must have wasted 5 GB allready :( |
| 10:19.06 | Ward1983 | thats costing me 5euro |
| 10:19.07 | titusg | Hi, I've just installed etch on an old laptop and the pcmcia wireless card isn't recognised -- no lights, no mention of it in ifconfig. Do I need to load a kernel module? |
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| 10:19.45 | Ward1983 | wondering how many bandwidth i need to waste before debian will allow me to install it |
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| 10:20.54 | titusg | Ah, I found a howto at http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/wireless.html |
| 10:21.38 | petemc | Ward1983: have you considered the possibility that you're doing something wrong, rather than it being debians fault? |
| 10:22.03 | Ward1983 | petemc, downloading the CD and burning it is werong yes |
| 10:22.11 | Ward1983 | please stfu as im getting really insanely pissed |
| 10:23.04 | petemc | perhaps debian isnt a good fit for you... |
| 10:23.26 | petemc | something less taxing on your wee brain might suit better |
| 10:23.52 | Ward1983 | petemc, how can a corrupt cd be MY FAULT? |
| 10:23.55 | Ward1983 | HOW??? |
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| 10:24.29 | Ward1983 | i know maybe its ubuntu's fault |
| 10:24.44 | Ward1983 | as long as it isnt debian right then its ok |
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| 10:29.42 | pip | Is there any tool which is used to scan the entir hard Is there any tool which is used to scan the entir hard disk for partitions ? I lost all the partition tabledisk for partitions ? I meant it, all of them but I know that the data isnot been formatted at all, so if I can get the partition table back, I can fix the MBR and boot arch again |
| 10:30.16 | _buffer | try ontrack |
| 10:30.24 | _buffer | nut linux, but superb |
| 10:30.28 | _buffer | *not |
| 10:30.30 | pip | to me ? |
| 10:30.33 | AcTiVaTe | fdisk -l /dev/<device> shows the partitions if any |
| 10:30.33 | _buffer | yes |
| 10:30.45 | pip | ontrack ? |
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| 10:31.05 | _buffer | maybe there is a simple solution for reconstructing a partitiontable under linux |
| 10:31.13 | _buffer | maybe with gparted |
| 10:31.19 | pip | AcTiVaTe, there is a broken partition table , and the entire hard disk can not work now, I'm on another computer |
| 10:31.31 | petemc | if you know the exact layout of the partitions, you can recreate them |
| 10:31.37 | petemc | but you would need to know, exactly |
| 10:31.50 | pip | But I think as long as I can get the original table back, I can fix the grub on MBR and boot the linux again |
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| 10:32.07 | pip | the data shouldn't be formatted |
| 10:32.13 | ComradeHaz | Hello everyone. Bit of a long shot, but over the last couple of days, have people on unstable been having input/output errors on NTFS drives and other weird stuff along those lines? |
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| 10:32.54 | pip | _buffer, I feel there is, since anything is possible on linux right ? there must be a way |
| 10:33.08 | _buffer | ah of course :D |
| 10:33.10 | _buffer | wait |
| 10:33.10 | petemc | ComradeHaz: thats more likely to be specific to you |
| 10:33.24 | _buffer | there are realy good solutions, wait i will see |
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| 10:34.04 | _buffer | testdisk |
| 10:34.05 | AcTiVaTe | pip: An old guide but might help, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition-Rescue.html |
| 10:34.24 | ComradeHaz | yeah, petemc, I know, but I cannot explain what's going on any other way than software, and I've made no changes other than an upgrade of a few packages |
| 10:34.47 | ComradeHaz | (not sure what they were unfortunately) |
| 10:34.51 | pip | AcTiVaTe, thanks, I'm going to read it |
| 10:34.52 | _buffer | try testdisk to determine and repair your partitiontable |
| 10:34.53 | petemc | ComradeHaz: things break, such is life |
| 10:35.07 | ComradeHaz | yer |
| 10:35.13 | ComradeHaz | bloody annoying though |
| 10:35.21 | pip | _buffer, testdisk is in the gparted live system in my usb stick, I will consider it |
| 10:35.27 | ComradeHaz | it's doing some really, really weird stuff. |
| 10:35.34 | _buffer | okay pip |
| 10:36.22 | ComradeHaz | as an asside, and I'm going to prove my stupidity here. How would I go about allowing a specific user access to a directory? |
| 10:36.31 | ComradeHaz | it's on an ext3 partitiuon. |
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| 10:36.42 | ComradeHaz | so the normal 'linux way' |
| 10:36.55 | ComradeHaz | I've just completely forgotten :D |
| 10:37.10 | petemc | ComradeHaz: you can chown it to them, or use chmod |
| 10:37.23 | petemc | depends what you mean by access |
| 10:37.43 | ComradeHaz | does chown 'add' them as a person who can access it as opposed to change it from me then? |
| 10:38.12 | petemc | no, it changes |
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| 10:38.26 | beniya | hi |
| 10:38.33 | JyZyXEL | if i need a kernel hack enabled should i recompile the offical debian kernel or should i just take the newest one from kernel.org? |
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| 10:38.58 | ComradeHaz | so, if at the moment only I have access (rwx) and I want to give another person read, wat would I do? |
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| 10:40.09 | petemc | chmod 755 |
| 10:40.31 | tuxcrafter | does somebody see what i am doing wrong with my openldap system here: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3e2cedcd |
| 10:40.34 | ComradeHaz | but how is that giving access to a specific user |
| 10:40.40 | tuxcrafter | Unrecognized database type (bdb) |
| 10:40.46 | tuxcrafter | that is the warning i get |
| 10:40.48 | petemc | ComradeHaz: its not, you can add them to your group if you want |
| 10:40.52 | nbeebo | hcan i make so conky draws itself on any window? |
| 10:40.54 | ComradeHaz | surely that'd allow everyone else on the system to be able to read? |
| 10:41.04 | petemc | !tell ComradeHaz about permissions |
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| 10:47.18 | jon13 | Ive installed quake 4 on lenny, and im able to play the game at a satisfying framerate, but another problem has occured. When I play for a longer period gnome suddenly locks down as if i was inactive. Screen blacks out and im prompted for a password. Anything to do about this, so Im registered as active while playing?. |
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| 10:49.42 | JyZyXEL | quake is dead |
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| 10:52.10 | titusg | etch won't recognise my wifi pc card -- in /var/log/messages it says "card inserted", "card ejected", I have wireless-tools etc installed, but it doesn't try to use it for network |
| 10:53.24 | jon13 | JyZyXEL; Maybe, but im old and i like it =) |
| 10:54.17 | JyZyXEL | my friend had a cool looking quake without any textures |
| 10:54.49 | utrrrongeeb | I have an old ATI 3D Rage Pro Turbo [mach64] graphics card. 3D hardware-acceleration doesn't work with it in Etch. Xorg's log mentions that it can't find /dev/dri/card0, and mach64 (described as a kernel driver?) could not be loaded. Can I fix this? |
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| 10:55.32 | jon13 | ??? |
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| 10:56.53 | utrrrongeeb | jon13: Is it gnome-screensaver? |
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| 10:59.58 | pirx_ | \amethyst: thanks a lot! thats basically what i wondered. i see the template files there |
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| 11:00.19 | pirx_ | i guess i can just put one there if i want to use debconf from something that is not a package |
| 11:00.21 | jon13 | utrrrongeeb; Maybe, i just assumed it was powersettings. But I think youre right, Its just supposed to wait for "idle" in 10 minutes, which hardly describes my 3d gaming. Ive turned it off now. Then illl see if it changes anything. Thx |
| 11:00.28 | Hoo | hi all |
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| 11:00.49 | pirx_ | \amethyst: but in which package do i find dh_installdebconf |
| 11:00.52 | mrselfpwn | ping emma |
| 11:01.00 | utrrrongeeb | jon13: For me, xscreensaver doesn't notice input from my joystick, and starts blanking the screen. Are you using a game controller? |
| 11:01.06 | Hoo | i'm downloading the cd1 from torrent, will this cd works for a full install? |
| 11:01.06 | titusg | what's the best mailing list for questions about debian wireless? |
| 11:01.41 | jon13 | utrrrongeeb; nope, just mouse and kbd. |
| 11:02.40 | utrrrongeeb | jon13: That makes it less obvious. Xscreensaver [if installed] and gnome-screensaver are probably best checked first, though, anyway. |
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| 11:03.45 | jon13 | utrrrongeeb; yeah i know. It'll have to wait. On my way to wr0k. thanx for now, i might be back =) |
| 11:03.54 | Hoo | i'm downloading the cd1 from torrent, will this cd works for a full install? |
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| 11:08.11 | titusg | this is a fucking useless list guys. |
| 11:08.16 | Hoo | i'm downloading the cd1 from torrent, will this cd works for a full install? |
| 11:08.31 | titusg | ha, channel |
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| 11:21.35 | ComradeHaz | titusg: most people in here are probably in the States, and thus, in bed. |
| 11:23.29 | hjb | titusg maybe debian-laptop@lists.debian.org ? |
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| 11:25.19 | petemc | i think this channel has a good spread of countries |
| 11:25.31 | petemc | its never struck me as usa-centric |
| 11:27.23 | mquin | irc seems kinda quiet today generally |
| 11:27.30 | mquin | midweek slump or something :) |
| 11:27.50 | petemc | midweek, mid january |
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| 11:38.22 | jelly | midday! |
| 11:38.50 | themill | !qotd0 |
| 11:38.51 | dpkg | i guess qotd99 is <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
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| 11:42.16 | kombi | how do I stop/detach on disk in an array using mdadm? |
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| 11:44.27 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:45.34 | sep | once you have maked it as failed you can use --remove |
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| 11:47.06 | DJCiP | hey - looking for a calendar and to-do list suite - with an online interface as well as syncing with outlook 07 - anyone know of anything to point me in the right direction |
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| 11:51.27 | themill | DJCiP: yikes... that's one hell of a list of requirements. Are you talking about server or client or both? |
| 11:51.38 | DJCiP | both |
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| 11:52.08 | themill | kolab is supposed to be able to do that (never tried it myself though) with a variety of clients (korganizer in particular) |
| 11:52.20 | dupondje | checking for TclpFinalizeThreadData in -ltcl8.5... no <- any id why this doesn't work anymore on lenny ? tclthread is installed ... |
| 11:52.22 | DJCiP | i mean is there a free exchange alternative that's fairly easy to manage? |
| 11:52.26 | petemc | no |
| 11:52.38 | themill | DJCiP: kolab is the only one that comes close aiui. |
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| 11:54.43 | themill | DJCiP: "apt-cache search groupware" turns up some other interesting possibilities. You'd need to look at their webpages to find out more about them though esp w.r.t. interoperability. |
| 11:54.49 | DJCiP | themill - that looks pretty sweet |
| 11:55.03 | DJCiP | w.r.t. ? |
| 11:55.30 | themill | DJCiP: "with respect to" ... sorry, I've only just finished taking a class in calculus... |
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| 11:55.35 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
| 11:55.56 | DJCiP | oh ok - sorry! |
| 11:55.57 | kombi | sep: what would the command be? |
| 11:58.41 | aprendiz001 | I replied a bug one week ago(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443586) but no answer appears, as It was an old bug supposed fixed I don't know if I had to open a new bug or I opened in a correct way |
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| 11:59.39 | kombi | sep: mdadm --manage -f /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 11:59.44 | liable | aprendiz001: sometimes it takes a while to get a reply for a bug |
| 12:00.08 | themill | aprendiz001: wasn't that bug known in etch, but fixed in lenny? |
| 12:00.22 | themill | (and you're using etch) |
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| 12:01.41 | aprendiz001 | I don't know in lenny, I have etch in my company |
| 12:02.05 | aprendiz001 | at least I wanted to know if I did in the correct way |
| 12:03.25 | aprendiz001 | in theory the bug was only for lenny and sid, nothing for etch |
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| 12:04.14 | trv__ | Does anyone know how can one find the vmlinux file for the stock kernel? (it is available through certain repositories in ubuntu,redhat/fedora, etc). In debian it seems that it's not available anywhere! |
| 12:04.33 | themill | aprendiz001: you could mark the bug with the "versions" tag to indicate that it was found in an earlier version of the package. See bugs.debian.org for instructions on how to do that. With the upcoming release of lenny, it's unlikely that it is ever going to be fixed in etch, however. |
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| 12:06.26 | aprendiz001 | thanks, I will do that althought it is bad no fix for etch :( |
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| 12:11.21 | kombi | what's "unknown HZ value!" when doing uptime? |
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| 12:14.37 | linopolus | Hello |
| 12:14.54 | linopolus | Can one of you write my Nick please? |
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| 12:16.06 | jelly | linopolus: no |
| 12:16.35 | linopolus | Shit I don't hear the pling :( |
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| 12:17.40 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, so i downloaded and burned the CD twice because the first download was corrupt, i install, i choose to install grub on (hd2,0) instead of (hd0,0) and i get grub error 2 |
| 12:17.48 | Ward1983 | any suggestions? |
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| 12:19.33 | dustybin | oh dear |
| 12:19.33 | dustybin | http://lwn.net/Articles/314763/ |
| 12:20.01 | dustybin | shakes head |
| 12:20.02 | dustybin | http://lwn.net/Articles/314765/ |
| 12:20.46 | babuun | aww |
| 12:23.41 | orgthingy | The testing distribution (lenny) will be fixed soon. << meh? why doesnt lenny get updates first? |
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| 12:24.05 | peppe | because it is "testing", not "stable" |
| 12:24.30 | Ward1983 | both testing and stable wont let me install grub to a disk other then hd0,0 |
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| 12:27.12 | tremmolow | Ward1983 I'm almost sure my ide disk was recognised as hda and the first partition hda1 Am I remembering wrongly? |
| 12:27.24 | bono | Hi anyone here print via hp1018 |
| 12:27.30 | alexandro | hrm, would there be anyway, when you do a grep on a file, to view 5 lines above the grep match, and 5 lines below the grep match? |
| 12:27.37 | bono | i am a linux print stuff newbie |
| 12:27.55 | asg | alexandro: -B and -A (read the manpage) |
| 12:28.06 | Ward1983 | tremmolow, i dont have IDE disks so i dunno, but you can tell it both ways (hd0,0 or /dev/sda1) |
| 12:28.27 | alexandro | asg: ah yeah, thanks |
| 12:28.45 | tremmolow | ah right cheers |
| 12:29.19 | tremmolow | If an install goes fine as mine did you often learn nothing from it :) |
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| 12:31.38 | tremmolow | I wanted to ask if there are any podcasts, tutorials etc specifically about installing Linux on old imacs, or as close as I can get to that topic. I haven't tried with Debian yet but I tried with Ubuntu for PPC and that didn't go too well. |
| 12:31.46 | themill | bono: install the packages: cupsys foo2zjs foomatic-db-engine then go http://localhost:631/ |
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| 12:32.00 | debian_noob | themill:im back! |
| 12:32.17 | themill | hides |
| 12:32.33 | anoHito | i am using 'stable' in my source.1st, so when lenny is out,and i am not mentioned,by then i do apt-get update && upgrade,will this screw my system ? |
| 12:33.04 | bono | hi themaill.. thanks for that driver....can i print it wil double page? |
| 12:33.08 | anoHito | i mean,i would stay with etch untill by then i make my choice to upgrade to lenny,so i need to change 'stable' to 'etch' as a security consideration ? |
| 12:33.15 | themill | anoHito: yes. You should change "stable" to "etch" in your sources.list until you want to upgrade to lenny and at that point, change "etch" to "lenny" |
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| 12:33.50 | tremmolow | Is Slackintosh the only major fork for PPC, or is there a Debian equivalent? |
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| 12:34.01 | anoHito | themill, Thanks. |
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| 12:34.18 | themill | bono: no idea. This is all I know about that printer: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1018 |
| 12:34.21 | debian_noob | themill:can you help me with yesterday's problem? |
| 12:34.29 | asg | tremmolow: try #debianppc |
| 12:34.46 | themill | debian_noob: if I could remember what it was... |
| 12:34.54 | tremmolow | asg ah thanks thanks lots - just could figure out what to search for :) |
| 12:34.57 | debian_noob | themill:compiz not working |
| 12:35.08 | anoHito | themill, how about this line ? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 12:35.19 | themill | anoHito: same. Change stable to etch. |
| 12:35.19 | anoHito | themill, do i need to change anything in that line also ? |
| 12:35.30 | anoHito | okay. |
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| 12:35.43 | themill | anoHito: if you have contrib and non-free in your mirror lines, then add them to that line after "main". |
| 12:35.48 | debian_noob | themill:after installing libgl1-mesa-dri the output of compiz --replace has changed |
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| 12:36.03 | themill | debian_noob: that's progress. I guess |
| 12:36.13 | debian_noob | themill:maybe |
| 12:36.18 | debian_noob | ill pastebin it |
| 12:36.49 | anoHito | themill, i have deb http://www.ring.gr.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian/ etch main deb-src http://www.ring.gr.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian/ etch main and deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 12:37.17 | themill | anoHito: looks fine. Any particular reason you're interested in contrib and non-free from backports.org but not from anywhere else? |
| 12:37.18 | anoHito | guess they are fine now ? |
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| 12:37.29 | debian_noob | themill:http://pastebin.com/m50b92650 |
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| 12:38.14 | anoHito | themill, i am confused,i used that backports line to get iptables upgraded to what i need. it works fine. |
| 12:38.30 | themill | anoHito: it's not a problem... don't worry. |
| 12:38.39 | anoHito | themill, Thanks again . |
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| 12:39.39 | debian_noob | themill:could you make out anything? |
| 12:40.01 | themill | debian_noob: what version of compiz do you have installed and how did you install it? |
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| 12:40.20 | debian_noob | themill:i used synaptic |
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| 12:41.06 | debian_noob | themill:ill tell you the version number |
| 12:41.09 | aib42 | where can I learn more about what the default intiramfs does? I'm trying to modify it but can't get it to chainload ${rootmnt}/sbin/init |
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| 12:42.19 | debian_noob | themill:its 0.7.6-7 |
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| 12:43.40 | debian_noob | themill:with that i also installed compiz-fusion-bcop,compiz-fusion-plugins-extra |
| 12:44.09 | themill | debian_noob: what's the output of "glxinfo"? Does "glxgears" run OK? |
| 12:44.26 | debian_noob | lthemill:let me see |
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| 12:45.31 | debian_noob | themill:yes it works but when i closed it then it showed an error message |
| 12:45.36 | debian_noob | ill pastebin it |
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| 12:46.22 | debian_noob | themill: see this http://pastebin.com/m6759f76e |
| 12:46.44 | themill | yuck. |
| 12:46.57 | debian_noob | themill:why??? |
| 12:47.50 | valdyn | debian_noob: you can ignore that "error" |
| 12:48.06 | debian_noob | valdyn:why? |
| 12:48.15 | valdyn | debian_noob: because it doesnt hurt you |
| 12:48.18 | themill | knows nothing about compiz |
| 12:48.22 | debian_noob | themill:whats so disgusting? |
| 12:48.42 | debian_noob | valdyn:ok ill take your advice |
| 12:48.44 | themill | debian_noob: listen to valdyn -- he knows more about glx and compiz than me... |
| 12:48.49 | debian_noob | ok |
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| 12:49.14 | debian_noob | themill:anyways thanks for the help |
| 12:49.23 | anoHito | how do i know what is my debian version ? like 4.0r? |
| 12:49.26 | debian_noob | valdyn:can you help me? |
| 12:49.30 | valdyn | long version is that glxgears throws that error since xlib switched to xcb and does affect you |
| 12:49.55 | valdyn | err, does *not* affect you |
| 12:49.55 | themill | valdyn: it does? I've never seen if before |
| 12:50.15 | valdyn | themill: maybe theres more involved than just xcb |
| 12:50.33 | debian_noob | valdyn:you know about my problem? |
| 12:50.43 | valdyn | themill: like a specific x driver, i dont know enough about x to debug it |
| 12:50.46 | themill | valdyn: it may be driver dependent too, i guess. |
| 12:51.31 | valdyn | debian_noob: i cant, i cant even cut and paste from putty it seems, wtf |
| 12:51.49 | debian_noob | valdyn:what do you mean? |
| 12:52.15 | valdyn | debian_noob: i cant cut & paste, which means its to painful to read links |
| 12:52.25 | valdyn | debian_noob: ... that are paste here |
| 12:52.43 | debian_noob | valdyn:can you help me or you wont? |
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| 12:53.03 | valdyn | debian_noob: not |
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| 12:53.38 | debian_noob | valdyn:why not?? you know about compiz glx and that stuff |
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| 12:53.54 | valdyn | debian_noob: because I cannot cut & paste |
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| 12:54.14 | debian_noob | valdyn:whats your problem??? |
| 12:54.24 | runa | hi kwifimanager changed the name from eth0 to eth0_rename how can i get it back? |
| 12:54.27 | debian_noob | valdyn:ctrl+c |
| 12:54.32 | servex | I've installed on my debian lenny the DE kde 3.4 and after kde 4.1. I would like remove all the file about DEs and have an original minimal debian. What I should do? |
| 12:54.37 | debian_noob | valdyn:ctrl+v |
| 12:55.01 | valdyn | runa: fix naming in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 12:55.34 | valdyn | runa: eth0_rename really is a bug caused by failed renaming, maybe reverse names in that file or somesuch |
| 12:56.15 | valdyn | debian_noob: ah, that works |
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| 12:56.48 | themill | dpkg: tell servex about remove kde |
| 12:57.47 | valdyn | debian_noob: i cant help you, seen the paste |
| 12:58.19 | runa | valdyn there is no eth0_rename in that file so i guess it is a failed renaming so i should reverese them? |
| 12:58.39 | valdyn | runa: yea, sure theres no eth0_rename in there |
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| 12:58.51 | valdyn | runa: just reverse names, thats probably eth1 to eth0 and eth0 to eth1 |
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| 12:59.10 | valdyn | !eth0_rename |
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| 13:00.31 | valdyn | !listkey eth0_rename |
| 13:00.35 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, are you still around? |
| 13:00.35 | valdyn | !listkeys eth0_rename |
| 13:00.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'eth0_rename' by key returned no results. |
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| 13:01.05 | runa | valdyn :and then i shound restart udev? |
| 13:01.26 | valdyn | runa: i dont know that exactly |
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| 13:01.49 | valdyn | runa: reboot or first stop udev, then start udev, thats not the same as restart |
| 13:02.03 | valdyn | runa: or reload the nic device drivers |
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| 13:02.51 | liable | reload the module should do |
| 13:03.09 | debiannoob | moshii:can you help me? |
| 13:03.18 | valdyn | runa: dmesg will show udev renames |
| 13:04.16 | runa | valdyn: how can i reload the nic device driver? |
| 13:04.27 | dupondje | checking for TclpFinalizeThreadData in -ltcl8.5... no <- any id why this doesn't work anymore on lenny ? tclthread is installed ... |
| 13:04.30 | valdyn | runa: modprobe -r name; modprobe name |
| 13:04.40 | runa | ok |
| 13:05.53 | aib42 | where can I find online documentation regarding the initramfs made by initramfs-tools and the boot process? |
| 13:06.21 | debiannoob | can anybody help me?compiz doesnt work on my computer running Debian Lenny |
| 13:07.26 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:07.37 | stoned | debiannoob, what happens when you run compiz --replace |
| 13:07.40 | stoned | debiannoob, pasetbin |
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| 13:07.54 | stoned | debiannoob, also, which gfx card and driver? |
| 13:07.55 | debiannoob | stoned im pastebinning |
| 13:08.04 | stoned | oh man heartburn! |
| 13:08.09 | stoned | whoah... mama |
| 13:08.17 | stoned | gets milk |
| 13:08.24 | stoned | brb |
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| 13:09.03 | orgthingy | oh, i love this bot |
| 13:09.13 | orgthingy | !kick Lezdepeze_ |
| 13:09.13 | dpkg | kicks Lezdepeze_ in the ass. |
| 13:09.19 | orgthingy | no, not that kind of kick xD |
| 13:09.37 | stoned | orgthingy, !ops blahnick is spamming(or whatever actual complaint) make sure to not bother ops with nonsense |
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| 13:10.00 | Lezdepeze_ | http://www.to-6.net/?uid=272825 |
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| 13:10.16 | debiannoob | stoned:this http://www.to-6.net/?uid=272825 is output of compiz --replace |
| 13:10.21 | jelly | calls the freenode police |
| 13:10.38 | debiannoob | stoned:sorry not that its http://pastebin.com/m4cb57ac9 |
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| 13:10.57 | jelly | debiannoob: do NOT click on spammers' links |
| 13:11.12 | orgthingy | haha |
| 13:11.12 | stoned | look like your're good on the DRI and texture from pixmap ext |
| 13:11.28 | stoned | you have a segmentation fault, meaning memory errors |
| 13:11.38 | stoned | check the debian BTS on lenny packages of compiz |
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| 13:11.56 | orgthingy | segmentation fault! oh dear lord.. |
| 13:12.36 | stoned | no sure /usr/bin/compiz: line 393: 3626 Segmentation fault ${COMPIZ_BIN_PATH}${COMPIZ_NAME} $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS what this exactly means, better ask in #compiz-fusion |
| 13:12.53 | stoned | maybe its a segfault becuause you can't find something and the code goes haywire, maybe they know of a fix |
| 13:13.00 | debiannoob | stoned: ok ill try |
| 13:13.02 | stoned | hopefully |
| 13:13.06 | stoned | good luck |
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| 13:13.30 | debiannoob | ya thanks |
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| 13:14.01 | stoned | yw |
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| 13:15.52 | elik | stoned, what makes you think it is compiz related :P |
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| 13:16.13 | stoned | I said I Wasn't sure |
| 13:16.20 | stoned | thats what a 'maybe' indicates |
| 13:16.21 | stoned | :) |
| 13:16.29 | stoned | !smack elik |
| 13:16.29 | dpkg | smacks elik upside the head. |
| 13:16.58 | stoned | compiz is a script to launch compiz.real I think |
| 13:17.16 | stoned | or used to be, its been a while since I setup everything it just runs now for past few months |
| 13:17.21 | elik | I was just kidding... it's just tha the is 4-5 compiz on the same line |
| 13:17.53 | stoned | maybe there is an error in the script somewhere I dunno, something thats causing something to segfault |
| 13:18.05 | stoned | perhaps the bts will shed more light on any seg fault issues |
| 13:18.28 | stoned | though it shouldn't have moved to lenny from sid if that were the case, the bug severit on that high |
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| 13:20.28 | elik | this "maybe" is backed with a thorough analysis |
| 13:20.41 | stoned | hardly |
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| 13:20.46 | Ward1983 | anyone ever installed grub next to a fakeraid array? |
| 13:20.52 | stoned | unless you're being sarcastic, which is just uncalled for |
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| 13:21.12 | stoned | Ward1983, whats your real question |
| 13:21.24 | runa_ | valdyn now eth0 disappeared this is the error ipw2200: Failed to send SCAN_ABORT: Command timed out |
| 13:21.33 | elik | stoned, I was not |
| 13:21.40 | Ward1983 | stoned, how can i install debian i guess |
| 13:21.54 | stoned | Ward1983, what hw do you have? run it by me real quick |
| 13:21.55 | Ward1983 | stoned, i keep getting grub errors, with installations that give no errors |
| 13:21.58 | valdyn | runa_: that would not make it disappear |
| 13:22.06 | valdyn | runa_: how do you know it disapeared? |
| 13:22.41 | stoned | Ward1983, also are you interested in stability or latest/new software |
| 13:23.02 | Ward1983 | stoned, asus p5b deluxe sorry dunno all the chips |
| 13:23.13 | elik | Ward1983, oh, fancy, got that too |
| 13:23.16 | stoned | thats fine, thats a general intel mobo |
| 13:23.20 | Ward1983 | stoned, as long as xen packages are in the repos |
| 13:23.23 | elik | and runa_ ipw2200 |
| 13:23.29 | stoned | Ward1983, which cpu (I have no experience at all with Xen) |
| 13:23.33 | elik | Ward1983, you're trying to use the on board raid though, eh? |
| 13:23.38 | Ward1983 | stoned, amd64 core2duo |
| 13:23.48 | Ward1983 | elik, no that is for windows |
| 13:23.55 | runa_ | i think it gives some error and does not load the device |
| 13:23.58 | stoned | Ward1983, I'm guessing a JMicron Raid controller? |
| 13:23.58 | Ward1983 | elik, trying to install NEXT to a fakeraid partition |
| 13:24.10 | elik | stoned, there is one indeed |
| 13:24.11 | runa_ | how can i reconfigure ipw2200 |
| 13:24.11 | Ward1983 | stoned, no a intel one, but i have a jmicron ata controller |
| 13:24.18 | runa_ | modprob ipw2200 |
| 13:24.26 | runa_ | ? |
| 13:24.27 | stoned | whats your data raid controller on the baord? chipset controlled or 3rd party? |
| 13:24.31 | Ward1983 | stoned, i mean ide sorry |
| 13:24.38 | valdyn | runa_: so you dont know if it disappeared |
| 13:24.44 | Ward1983 | stoned, intel, onboard offcourse |
| 13:24.45 | valdyn | runa_: ifconfig -a |
| 13:24.52 | stoned | Ward1983, sata = IDE, pata = IDE |
| 13:25.21 | Ward1983 | stoned, jmicron pata controller then jesus |
| 13:25.37 | Ward1983 | as long as its clear what i mean |
| 13:25.37 | stoned | its p965 chipset |
| 13:25.39 | stoned | same as mine |
| 13:25.52 | stoned | and its a asus baord, I have a GA board, both use jmb36x |
| 13:25.53 | runa_ | valdyn yes its there |
| 13:25.55 | Ward1983 | only you do not have a fakeraid array i presume |
| 13:26.08 | runa_ | but when i do ifconfig it does not show it |
| 13:26.09 | stoned | I'm looking something up |
| 13:26.13 | elik | stoned, 975X chipset |
| 13:26.33 | Ward1983 | stoned, ok, im getting insanely desperate of getting it to work |
| 13:26.40 | Ward1983 | stoned, detail: it works fine on ubuntu |
| 13:26.41 | stoned | Ward1983, patience |
| 13:26.46 | stoned | Ward1983, install lenny |
| 13:27.02 | Ward1983 | stoned, is that "testing" ? |
| 13:27.04 | stoned | not etch or etchnhalf |
| 13:27.05 | stoned | Ward1983, yes |
| 13:27.09 | runa_ | wicd does not see it |
| 13:27.12 | Ward1983 | stoned, all the names and versions together are REALLY confusing |
| 13:27.17 | stoned | Ward1983, not really |
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| 13:27.22 | Ward1983 | stoned, well i tried testing and stable, both have the same issue |
| 13:27.26 | stoned | Ward1983, debian has 3 states at all times |
| 13:27.33 | stoned | Ward1983, stable, testing, unstable |
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| 13:27.48 | elik | Ward1983, I didn't have issues with lenny.. that's what I'm running on my P5W DH Deluxe |
| 13:27.49 | stoned | Ward1983, out of those as distros keep moving in and out of those phases we name them |
| 13:28.02 | Ward1983 | stoned, elik you do not have a fakraid raid array.... |
| 13:28.03 | stoned | Ward1983, lenny is currently in the testing process, while etch was made stable last year |
| 13:28.09 | stoned | Ward1983, I do |
| 13:28.11 | stoned | Ward1983, I just don't use it |
| 13:28.12 | elik | Ward1983, true that |
| 13:28.12 | stoned | :) |
| 13:28.18 | Ward1983 | stoned, i meant elik |
| 13:28.28 | stoned | !swraid |
| 13:28.28 | dpkg | [software raid] commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig>, or for SATA disks ask me about <sata raid> |
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| 13:28.37 | Ward1983 | stoned, ok so whats the trick to make it work with the fakeraid array because it doesnt? |
| 13:28.40 | nathan-_ | hi there.. I have a small nfs issue, when I mount the nfs volume (successfully) I can't see any files. This is the same if I mount it on the client or the server. the location is exported with rw,sync,no_root_squash options. |
| 13:28.59 | stoned | Ward1983, unlucky you, I've not much experience with raid under linux yet, I'm still noob |
| 13:28.59 | nathan-_ | file perms are 777 |
| 13:28.59 | Ward1983 | stoned, software raid != fakeraid |
| 13:29.04 | stoned | see |
| 13:29.07 | Ward1983 | stoned, software raid != fakeraid |
| 13:29.09 | stoned | that shows you how much I knnow |
| 13:29.17 | Ward1983 | lol stoned |
| 13:29.19 | stoned | :( |
| 13:29.23 | elik | stoned is a noob! :P |
| 13:29.26 | Ward1983 | at least you tried |
| 13:29.32 | stoned | I love to learn/try things |
| 13:29.46 | elik | then you are forever a noob :P |
| 13:29.58 | stoned | !fakeraid |
| 13:29.58 | dpkg | fakeraid is probably term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 13:30.01 | Ward1983 | elik, so you can help me i presume? |
| 13:30.20 | stoned | !tell Ward1983 -about md |
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| 13:30.28 | elik | Ward1983, didn't say I was not |
| 13:30.34 | stoned | !dmraid |
| 13:30.35 | dpkg | i guess fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 13:30.35 | elik | Ward1983, never played with raid either |
| 13:30.40 | stoned | damnit |
| 13:30.44 | stoned | same freakin 'toid |
| 13:30.45 | Ward1983 | stoned, thats also software raid it seems... |
| 13:31.01 | elik | Ward1983, had issues with the card at first, when I installed, kernel didn't know about JMicron |
| 13:31.08 | nathan-_ | use md + lvm |
| 13:31.08 | Ward1983 | elik, well stoned has software raid so that makes you more noob then him |
| 13:31.14 | elik | Ward1983, so I didn't try to push it too far |
| 13:31.43 | Ward1983 | elik, for linux software raid is much better, i use fakeraid for my windows system, i multiboot |
| 13:31.46 | Ward1983 | (im a gamer lol) |
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| 13:31.53 | elik | nor did I have 2 HDs |
| 13:32.05 | elik | Ward1983, same situation here |
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| 13:32.08 | stoned | I got too much computer parts in closet |
| 13:32.08 | Ward1983 | i have 2 raptors in fakeraid raid0 |
| 13:32.15 | elik | Ward1983, messed around alot just to get AHCI to work -_- |
| 13:32.16 | runa_ | maybe i should install the new firmware? |
| 13:32.20 | jan247 | guys, quick q. is there a tool so that when i run ./configure, it automatically gets the dependencies required? |
| 13:32.28 | orgthingy | i multiboot between UNIX and Linuxes |
| 13:32.31 | elik | Ward1983, so what's that fakeraid?? |
| 13:32.38 | orgthingy | but my main OS is debian, i rarely touch others |
| 13:32.43 | stoned | jan247, no but it tells you what is missing, just install the packages, more than like you would need -dev |
| 13:32.47 | stoned | jan247, what are you trying to build/\ |
| 13:32.49 | stoned | ? |
| 13:32.49 | Ward1983 | elik, dpkg just said :p |
| 13:32.52 | Ward1983 | !fakeraid |
| 13:32.52 | dpkg | it has been said that fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 13:32.58 | stoned | Ward1983, /msg dpkg |
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| 13:33.01 | elik | Ward1983, and why is software raid is better than on board controler? |
| 13:33.20 | nathan-_ | one of the biggest issues with using the fake raid is that you will have issues if you move the disks to another system or update your motherboard. all data will be inaccessible. if you use linux software raid, you won't have that issue |
| 13:33.40 | Ward1983 | elik, dunno i asked that several times myself and nobody answered but everybody agreed software raid wsa worse |
| 13:33.47 | elik | Ward1983, so, reading on... I take it the on board raid IS fakeraid |
| 13:33.50 | jan247 | tnx stoned, was trying to build couch db.. no problem though, was just wondering if it existed |
| 13:33.55 | stoned | jan247, if you are building software, you can satisfy dependencies usually with apt-get build-dep pacakgename |
| 13:33.57 | Ward1983 | elik, i mean better not worse lol |
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| 13:34.06 | elik | Ward1983, figured out :) |
| 13:34.08 | Ward1983 | elik, correct |
| 13:34.08 | UwenDuz | hi got etch installed I cant find the following lib You do not have libtokyocabinet installed. |
| 13:34.14 | stoned | jan247, if its packaged in debian already that is |
| 13:34.19 | UwenDuz | I found it for SID and Lenny but not for etch |
| 13:34.45 | stoned | as for a tool to do it on compile-time, no idea |
| 13:34.58 | elik | Ward1983, if you're a gamer, I take it you want to do striping |
| 13:35.01 | Ward1983 | so my only option is manually changing raid to compatible in the bios every single time i need to switch OSes :s |
| 13:35.20 | Ward1983 | elik, liek i said i have a fakeraid raid0 array.... (raid0 == striping) |
| 13:35.21 | stoned | Ward1983, stop gaming, and stop using windows |
| 13:35.27 | elik | Ward1983, yeah, that was the status before I found a way to install AHCI drivers on Windows post installation |
| 13:35.34 | stoned | Ward1983, use debian, adopt a package, and start being productive |
| 13:35.35 | Ward1983 | stoned, no i wont stop gaming ty |
| 13:35.36 | stoned | :) |
| 13:35.54 | Ward1983 | stoned, i cannot program so that would be hard, not everyone is a dev, im jsut a user |
| 13:35.54 | elik | adopt a package, I love it :) |
| 13:36.05 | stoned | you don't need to know about development to be a DD |
| 13:36.12 | stoned | or a maintainer |
| 13:36.18 | Ward1983 | stoned, if only i could INSTALL it first |
| 13:36.20 | elik | Ward1983, oh, c'mon, if you're on linux, you must have a bit of that in you |
| 13:36.46 | stoned | I mean you do, but nothing in depth if you don't want to, there are many things |
| 13:37.02 | Ward1983 | stoned, if only i could INSTALL it first |
| 13:37.13 | jan247 | stoned, i just found it: auto-apt |
| 13:37.14 | stoned | use the lvm option in the installer I suppose |
| 13:37.24 | stoned | and then setup a dm on it |
| 13:37.27 | stoned | sw raid? |
| 13:37.30 | stoned | what did nathan-_ say? |
| 13:37.35 | elik | Ward1983, so, basically, you're trying to make it work with the on board fakeraid turned on? |
| 13:37.38 | stoned | jan247, auto-apt? nice |
| 13:37.44 | Ward1983 | stoned, i never heard of lvm before, let me read up on it, i did see the option though |
| 13:37.44 | stoned | !+info auto-apt |
| 13:37.46 | dpkg | auto-apt: (package search by file and on-demand package installation tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.21+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 13:37.50 | Ward1983 | elik, correct |
| 13:37.55 | stoned | !tell Ward1983 -about lvm |
| 13:38.02 | Ward1983 | stoned, thanx |
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| 13:38.22 | Ward1983 | stoned, ok i do know lvm but never tried it |
| 13:38.33 | Ward1983 | stoned, it goes well with xen iirc so might aswell try it |
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| 13:38.44 | nathan-_ | LVM is fairly straightforward |
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| 13:39.19 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, im reading a link on it now but if you want you can explain |
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| 13:39.27 | nathan-_ | read away :) |
| 13:39.28 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 13:40.00 | Ward1983 | stoned, and thats funny because? |
| 13:40.07 | stoned | you're cute? |
| 13:41.00 | stoned | "... but if you want you can explain ..." that was cute |
| 13:41.13 | Ward1983 | whats so weird about that |
| 13:41.18 | elik | you gotta agree it was funny |
| 13:41.20 | Ward1983 | i emant if he has time and wants to he can explain |
| 13:41.23 | nathan-_ | the only problem I had was getting the software raid volume to automount. I never investigated that fully, in the end I added a couple of steps to a startup script to make it all happen |
| 13:41.24 | Ward1983 | else ill read the link |
| 13:42.08 | Ward1983 | stoned, nathan-_, doe lvm go well with fakeraid? |
| 13:42.10 | Ward1983 | does |
| 13:42.16 | stoned | I dunno nothin man |
| 13:42.18 | stoned | I'm noob. |
| 13:42.30 | nathan-_ | you can use lvm on a single disk or multiple disks |
| 13:43.10 | elik | Ward1983, doesn't fakeraid make it so your os sees it as a single drive? |
| 13:43.23 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, ah ok so if i only use it on my installdisk i should be fine |
| 13:43.35 | Ward1983 | elik, windows does, linux doesnt, it hjust sees 2 drives |
| 13:43.38 | nathan-_ | sure, can't see why not |
| 13:44.07 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, ah ok im just gonna try it then and see what happens, LVM is confusing, i do not understand it lol |
| 13:44.15 | nathan-_ | check out a lvm howto |
| 13:44.32 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, but why would lvm work? its no change for grub right? |
| 13:44.49 | nathan-_ | grub is different to lvm, they do different things |
| 13:45.06 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, well i have a grub problem so LVM can impossibly help |
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| 13:45.20 | nathan-_ | what is your grub problem |
| 13:45.40 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, error 2: bad file or directory type |
| 13:45.50 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, it seems because of the fakeraid array i have for windows |
| 13:46.00 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, allthough ubuntu does however install correctly :s |
| 13:46.30 | nathan-_ | where did you install ubuntu to? |
| 13:46.46 | nathan-_ | or did it just do it all magically |
| 13:46.57 | nathan-_ | as in without your input |
| 13:47.57 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, i have 4 disks, the first 2 are the fakeraid array, i installed ubuntu on the third, grub also |
| 13:48.07 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, then i tried the same with debian |
| 13:48.25 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, i might add i tried both stable and testing |
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| 13:49.11 | nathan-_ | debian onto the fourth? |
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| 13:49.34 | nathan-_ | is there only one partition on the array? |
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| 13:49.47 | DustyDingo | hm, i have an issue with nvidia-glx in lenny |
| 13:50.10 | DustyDingo | i installed the kernel module from source and it loads, nvidia-glx is of the same version and installed |
| 13:50.12 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, the THIRD |
| 13:50.15 | Ward1983 | as in 3 |
| 13:50.20 | kronic | i've just done a fresh install of etch and I'm attempting to run sudo as root, and I get sudo: can't open /etc/sudoers: Permission denied |
| 13:50.30 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, the array has 2 partitions |
| 13:50.32 | kronic | wtf? /etc/sudoers is 440 |
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| 13:50.49 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, however linux should just see 2 drives instead of an array |
| 13:50.54 | DustyDingo | but when i run X i get: "Failed to initialize GLX Extension (Compatible NVIDIA X Driver not found)" |
| 13:50.59 | DustyDingo | any ideas? |
| 13:51.04 | stoned | type in su -c visudo, put in root pass, edit file, save, |
| 13:51.14 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, at least gparted does and fdisk-l |
| 13:51.49 | stoned | oh wait you're running sudo as root |
| 13:51.49 | kronic | stoned: I can edit via visudo, can't actually run sudo the executable |
| 13:52.02 | kronic | rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91700 2006-04-15 17:39 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 13:52.07 | kronic | all default |
| 13:52.11 | nathan-_ | Ward1983: ok, have you checked what's going on using a livecd? |
| 13:52.19 | stoned | kronic, file perms on sudoers file? |
| 13:52.24 | kronic | i'm logged in via openssh default install |
| 13:52.31 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, im on a liveCD right now, i have no clue what to do |
| 13:52.37 | kronic | -r--r----- 1 root root 321 2009-01-15 11:48 /etc/sudoers |
| 13:52.48 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, i even tried reinstalling grub with the liveCD |
| 13:52.53 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, still error2 |
| 13:53.10 | nathan-_ | is your livecd debian or ubuntu |
| 13:53.26 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, the liveCD is ubuntu |
| 13:53.55 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, (i have a persistent live boot partition on my external HD thats done with the ubuntu 8.10 livecd) |
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| 13:55.36 | huelshoff | How do I script apt-get install in lenny? apt-get seems to daemonize after fetching the packages. |
| 13:55.58 | Ward1983 | nathan-_, to be clear: the installationCD is offcourse debian |
| 13:56.04 | stoned | you do it with assume yes flag I think |
| 13:56.08 | stoned | so it doesn't ask yo uanything |
| 13:56.11 | stoned | read the man page |
| 13:57.21 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.40 | huelshoff | that's clear. I have a script like "while read line; do apt-get --force-yes -y install $line; done < file.pkgs" but this does not run as expected. |
| 13:57.44 | stoned | if you don't have apt-listbugs or list-chagnes, then this should result in an installed pacakge |
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| 13:57.53 | themill | !wayttd huelshoff |
| 13:57.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, huelshoff? |
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| 13:58.25 | stoned | what is $line? |
| 13:58.29 | kronic | stoned: might be related, I've created a test user, who can't actually chdir in /home/$USER, bash whinges permission denied |
| 13:58.31 | stoned | the output of apt-cache search? |
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| 13:58.39 | stoned | is line containing only the package name? or anything else? |
| 13:58.49 | huelshoff | this is a part of our automatic debian installation at our site. We have files that contain packages that need to be installed on the pc's a cron job is run every night with the script. |
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| 13:58.58 | huelshoff | only the package names. |
| 13:58.59 | stoned | oops, poop time |
| 13:59.01 | stoned | bye bye |
| 13:59.13 | elik | stoned, tmi |
| 13:59.41 | JordiGH | Is there a way to tell apt to only hit one mirror at a time, and when it's done to start hitting the other mirrors? My router takes much longer to resolve addresses if you ask for 4 at a time instead of 1 by 1. |
| 14:00.36 | huelshoff | e.g. this script http://phys.upb.de/~jph/scripts/install_pkgs_plain.sh with http://phys.upb.de/~jph/scripts/class_buero.pkgs. |
| 14:00.37 | elik | JordiGH, wouldn't the question be "how do I fix address resolving on my router" |
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| 14:01.08 | JordiGH | elik: No, that's out of the question. It's a crappy router from a crappy ISP, and I can't hack it unless I install OpenWrt on it, which I won't do. |
| 14:01.11 | elik | JordiGH, hacking around this issue here will just make you swear a little bit later |
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| 14:01.45 | nathan-_ | Ward1983: the answer lies in understanding /boot/grub/menu.lst and knowing what to put there for the entry similar to (hd0,0) and finding out which disk/partition ubuntu installed to, eg /dev/sdc1, and telling grub to use that partition |
| 14:02.51 | nathan-_ | bah.. I'm going to bed. |
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| 14:03.09 | JordiGH | elik: In fact, I'm not even sure the problem lies with the router. I think my ISP just likes to fuck around with me. |
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| 14:03.15 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 14:03.31 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to work out why spell-checking works in xchat and gaim, but not gajim |
| 14:03.42 | elik | JordiGH, I see.. internet is too central to my life to tolerate stupid ISP |
| 14:03.51 | man_in_ltop | i see that libgtkspell depends (indirectly) on libhunspell, but i have no hunspell dictionaries installed |
| 14:03.57 | elik | JordiGH, what do you mean by hitting multiple mirrors at the time? |
| 14:04.07 | man_in_ltop | does anyone know if packages exist for non-US hunspell-en dictionaries? |
| 14:04.13 | JordiGH | elik: Unfortunately, there is no alternative around here. Yay, monopoly! |
| 14:04.19 | elik | JordiGH, cause usually, you manage mirrors with sources.list.. but what you're talking about seems a bit more complex |
| 14:04.27 | elik | JordiGH, move! :P |
| 14:04.57 | JordiGH | elik: If you ask the router to resolve 4 addresses at once, then none of them will resolve and all will time out. If you ask it to first resolve one address, and then the others, it actually works. |
| 14:05.01 | elik | JordiGH, or apply on a job at your ISP |
| 14:05.10 | JordiGH | elik: Ick, work for the devil? |
| 14:05.24 | elik | JordiGH, noo, infiltrate the devil! |
| 14:05.29 | huelshoff | Have you tried to using another DNS-Server? There are some public DNS-Servers available. Or directly use zour providers dns. |
| 14:05.40 | elik | JordiGH, what apt command is that? |
| 14:05.49 | stoned | hmm |
| 14:05.51 | elik | JordiGH, and what kind of source-list is that |
| 14:05.53 | stoned | 6 min poop |
| 14:05.55 | JordiGH | elik: When a man gazes inito the abyss, the abyss gazes back. |
| 14:05.56 | stoned | :D |
| 14:06.02 | stoned | heh heh, nm |
| 14:06.03 | elik | stoned, congratz, that a good tat |
| 14:06.06 | elik | stat* |
| 14:06.14 | elik | !stoned-- |
| 14:06.36 | stoned | elik, I got a tat too, black dragon, #debian-chat I'll show it to ya |
| 14:06.40 | JordiGH | elik: I've got debian-multimedia, security.debian.org and osuosl as mirrors. Okay, three, not four. Running "aptitude update" often fails because aptitude tries to hit all three mirrors at once, so it times out. |
| 14:06.53 | elik | talking about your poop can't just leave your karma untouched |
| 14:07.44 | elik | JordiGH, right, update will hit all your mirrors... |
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| 14:08.11 | elik | I don't know if you can just update one mirror |
| 14:08.15 | JordiGH | elik: And I want it to hit them sequentially... |
| 14:08.46 | JordiGH | Sure you can. I'll hack the source if I have to. :P |
| 14:09.21 | elik | JordiGH, well, sure, that's an obvious option |
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| 14:09.30 | elik | like removing one source, then the other, and so on |
| 14:09.41 | elik | maybe you could put IPs in your resolv.conf... |
| 14:09.49 | elik | a little less flexible... but eh |
| 14:09.52 | elik | you're hacking here |
| 14:10.20 | elik | Otherwise... can dns lookup even resolve multiple addresses at the time??? |
| 14:10.26 | JordiGH | elik: that doesn't work, because apt uses sources.list to determine which packages should be available. If you remove one source entry, then apt will assume that the packages that should be in that source entry aren't available at all. |
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| 14:11.22 | elik | JordiGH, right, but resolv.conf would be a good issue |
| 14:11.27 | stoned | actually it determines that from the pacakge list which it downloads from a mirror |
| 14:11.44 | elik | and you can have a cron job that does a dns lookup once day (one for every source)... |
| 14:11.46 | stoned | mirrors are only queried when fetching the list, or the particular package path |
| 14:11.53 | JordiGH | stoned: And it deletes old package lists if it didn't download them during an update. |
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| 14:12.02 | stoned | JordiGH, yup |
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| 14:12.12 | stoned | many times I have forgotten to update, before upgrade, damn GET errors |
| 14:12.25 | stoned | can't find this, can't find that, yeh, find my nuts and blow, damn program! |
| 14:12.28 | stoned | shakes his fist |
| 14:12.41 | JordiGH | Great, packaging error, python-foolscap can't update. |
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| 14:13.51 | themill | JordiGH: sounds like you actually want a local caching dns server like pdns |
| 14:13.53 | DustyDingo | hm, any chance to get glx and 3d in lenny with a nvidia 9600gt? |
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| 14:14.41 | man_in_ltop | DustyDingo, if lenny's nvidia-kernel-*/nvidia-glx packages don't support it, you can try installing packages from sid or nvidia redistributable |
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| 14:15.26 | JordiGH | Hm, or maybe it isn't a packaging error, maybe the problem is that I sidestepped apt a while ago when installing some Python libs... |
| 14:16.03 | JordiGH | Or is this a packaging error? |
| 14:16.06 | JordiGH | http://rafb.net/p/BOr57931.html |
| 14:16.24 | themill | JordiGH: see also Queue-Mode in man 5 apt.conf |
| 14:16.25 | DustyDingo | man_in_ltop: on packages.debian.org 9600gt isn't mention, however, according to nvidias website |
| 14:16.38 | DustyDingo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.55 | JordiGH | themill: Fantastic, I think that's it. |
| 14:16.57 | man_in_ltop | DustyDingo, have you TRIED the drivers? |
| 14:16.57 | DustyDingo | which is the current version in testing and unstable |
| 14:17.01 | DustyDingo | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 14:17.17 | DustyDingo | but when i run X i get: "Failed to initialize GLX Extension (Compatible NVIDIA X Driver not found)" |
| 14:17.43 | DustyDingo | i installed the kernel module from source, loads and installed nvidia-glx |
| 14:18.01 | JordiGH | Brian Warner is the author of Foolscap? |
| 14:18.09 | DustyDingo | both versions match |
| 14:18.10 | JordiGH | Isn't that Marilyn Manson? |
| 14:18.35 | JordiGH | It is! |
| 14:18.43 | JordiGH | Is Marilyn Manson a Python coder? o.O |
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| 14:19.23 | tetraedr | hi |
| 14:19.31 | tetraedr | are there any apps for KDE that would hang in tray and scan wi-fi for available nets? |
| 14:19.33 | man_in_ltop | DustyDingo, have you asked in #nvidia? |
| 14:19.52 | JordiGH | tetraedr: network-manager-kdkde |
| 14:19.56 | DustyDingo | man_in_ltop: no |
| 14:19.58 | JordiGH | tetraedr: network-manager-kde |
| 14:20.05 | tetraedr | JordiGH, thanks :) |
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| 14:24.53 | JordiGH | Great... I accidentally created ~ in my homedir. |
| 14:25.00 | hark | thereddot: install reiserfsprogs |
| 14:25.13 | JordiGH | Now, how do I cd into it? :-) |
| 14:25.56 | thereddot | should i format to reiserfs or reiser4? |
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| 14:26.00 | hark | try cd -- ~ |
| 14:27.00 | JordiGH | hark: No, that's not the issue. It's bash who expands ~, not cd. |
| 14:27.16 | kiwi_ | is there a way to configure the touchpad of my notebook, so i can open the context menu tapping the pad instead of right button click? |
| 14:27.46 | hark | JordiGH: ah yes |
| 14:27.48 | JordiGH | Hm, okay, that wasn't so hard. Just had to single quote it. |
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| 14:28.37 | JordiGH | kiwi_: Yeah, involves hacking your xorg.conf. Begin by looking at synaptics(5) |
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| 14:29.35 | JordiGH | kiwi_: Beware that if you use the synaptics driver and you don't actually have a synaptics touchpad (but e.g. you have an ALPS touchpad, which seem very common nowadays), then you will have to specify a different touchpad geometry. |
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| 14:31.40 | kiwi_ | JordigH, ok, thanks, ill try to go on from there |
| 14:32.19 | JordiGH | kiwi_: dmesg will tell you if it's a synaptics touchpad or something else. |
| 14:32.22 | kiwi_ | JordiGH, how do i find out the touchpad type? lspci gives me no clue |
| 14:32.28 | kiwi_ | ok |
| 14:33.02 | peleg | I gave up virtual mail users -- I am trying to set email accounts to users of the shell of my debian, and let it work with pop3 and imap. I have exim4 working properly with mailman. - |
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| 14:33.13 | kiwi_ | JordiGH,you have forseen the upcoming question. hehe |
| 14:33.50 | JordiGH | kiwi_: Also, look at /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/README.alps (they seem to be lots more common nowadays). |
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| 14:34.03 | peleg | I have installed courier-imap, and I am currently testing it. telnet 127.0.0.1 imap2 connects well, and I can login well enough, but BC SELECT "Inbox" returns BC NO Unable to open this mailbox. |
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| 14:35.30 | JordiGH | kiwi_: It's the TapButton1 option you want to set, btw. Set it to 3. |
| 14:35.33 | flower | when you report a bug using reportbug and it is a 'wnp' you get a whole lot of packages... to check if it's there..but I saw on the bug debian website the bug doesn't exist.. how can I quickly skip those options? |
| 14:35.49 | flower | now I have to enter 'n' 100 times... |
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| 14:36.15 | kiwi_ | JordiGH, ok, actually im going to configure this on two different boxes. lenovo t61 and eeepc 901. the 901 im using right now does not seem to have the synaptics pad. |
| 14:36.30 | peleg | select something tells me NO Mailbox does not exist, or must be subscribed to., but select inbox tells me NO Unable to open this mailbox. |
| 14:36.32 | kiwi_ | ok |
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| 14:38.15 | Ward1983 | i tried setting my disks to compatible instead of raid and still grub gave me error 15 :s |
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| 14:38.16 | bartden | hi, any suggestions for an IDE that has syntax highlighting for c/C++, perl, python, ... in gnome? |
| 14:38.23 | jamon | emacs.. |
| 14:38.24 | JordiGH | bartden: Emacs. :-) |
| 14:38.37 | bartden | :) something else, really dont like the interface |
| 14:38.38 | petemc | vim |
| 14:38.38 | kiwi_ | JordiGH, ahh ... found something /usr/share/doc |
| 14:38.48 | JordiGH | bartden: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/Screenshot.png |
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| 14:39.10 | sleon | hi |
| 14:39.22 | sleon | are there any debian packages for latest linux kernel? |
| 14:39.25 | simonrvn | Ward1983: did you install grub properly? |
| 14:39.29 | bartden | JordiGH well mine doenst look like that :D |
| 14:39.35 | sleon | i would like to test it |
| 14:39.47 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, i just installed with the installer, and chose to install grub to (hd2,0) |
| 14:39.48 | simonrvn | !error 15 |
| 14:39.54 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, got no errors |
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| 14:40.04 | simonrvn | hr, odd |
| 14:40.12 | JordiGH | bartden: Code::Blocks seems to be a popular choice, but it's not packaged yet, and I've also heard reports of some instability and crashing. |
| 14:40.15 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, with both stable and testing |
| 14:40.39 | Ward1983 | im just unable to install debian lol |
| 14:40.41 | kiwi_ | JordiGH, thanks .. iĺl go on with this later |
| 14:40.48 | JordiGH | kiwi_: np |
| 14:40.49 | Ward1983 | even if i remove all disks but one i can still not make grub to work |
| 14:41.07 | Ward1983 | and if i install ubuntu it simply works :s thats the weird part |
| 14:41.22 | simonrvn | hm, maybe a bios setting is interfering |
| 14:41.24 | JordiGH | whispers "eeeemmaaaaccssss" into bartden's ear. |
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| 14:41.41 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, but only with debian and not with ubuntu :s how unlikely is that |
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| 14:41.43 | bartden | :) |
| 14:42.13 | simonrvn | that is weird |
| 14:42.22 | JordiGH | bartden: There's also Anjuta, but I think it only does C. |
| 14:42.27 | bartden | yup |
| 14:42.50 | flower | when you report a bug using reportbug and it is a 'wnp' you get a whole lot of packages... to check if it's there..but I saw on the bug debian website the bug doesn't exist.. how can I quickly skip those options? |
| 14:42.53 | flower | now I have to enter 'n' 100 times... |
| 14:42.54 | ametaireau | Hi, I have an issue with nautilus (maybe a misconfiguration ?). I can't browse ftp, or samba or others protocols from nautilus (by typing ftp://server_blahblah). Is there anything to configure to made this working ? (is this working in gnome 2.22.3 ?) |
| 14:43.11 | simonrvn | Ward1983: different / fs ? |
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| 14:43.20 | Lesnix | hello, ppl |
| 14:43.28 | simonrvn | though it supports all of them... |
| 14:43.39 | Lesnix | how can i save my iptables rules in Debian ? |
| 14:43.40 | flower | *RFP (request for package) |
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| 14:44.08 | Lesnix | /etc/init.d/iptables save (as like, as in RH) doesn't exist |
| 14:44.08 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, nope ext3 |
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| 14:44.21 | simonrvn | Lesnix: iptables-save; see /usr/share/doc/iptables for info |
| 14:44.28 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, i tried LVM aswell which made a ext2 for /boot, also failed to boot |
| 14:44.34 | kiwi_ | JordiGH, btw, there seem to be gui-tools like gsynaptics and tpconfic as i found out 1 min ago. |
| 14:44.41 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, seriously i have no clue anymore what to do :s |
| 14:44.51 | Ward1983 | i might be out of luck :s |
| 14:44.55 | JordiGH | kiwi_: They don't have the same degree of configurability, as I recall, but maybe they've gotten better. |
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| 14:45.02 | kiwi_ | i see |
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| 14:45.25 | sleon | can anyone help me? |
| 14:45.32 | sleon | i am look for packages of new kernels for debian |
| 14:45.37 | sleon | 2.6.28 and 2.6.29 |
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| 14:46.07 | simonrvn | Ward1983: i'd boot to the install cd (can be used as a rescue cd), and once it's done with hardware detection, chroot to /target and run the grub-install again, checking your /boot/grub/device.map file for errors. |
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| 14:47.00 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, i used LVM the last time jsut to try if it worked, but i do not know how it works... lol |
| 14:47.03 | simonrvn | sleon: build .29 yourself; i don't think even sid has .28 yet |
| 14:47.19 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, so i would need to reinstall completely first |
| 14:47.24 | craigevil | sid still has 2.6.26 |
| 14:47.31 | petemc | 2.6.29 hasnt been released yet |
| 14:47.38 | simonrvn | Ward1983: the initial learning curve is fairly steep, but it's simple once you grok the basics |
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| 14:47.54 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 14:47.56 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.28, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc1-git4, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 14:48.12 | simonrvn | yeh .29 is in prepatch |
| 14:48.23 | simonrvn | sleon: be patient, grasshopper |
| 14:48.39 | sl33v3 | hello, how do i login in a specific user's home dic when i am a root? |
| 14:48.59 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, ok reinstall :) |
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| 14:49.15 | simonrvn | Ward1983: good luck |
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| 14:50.31 | tuxcrafter | pff i could give an presentaion how to let evolution crash on 101 ways :-S |
| 14:50.36 | tuxcrafter | nothing is working like i need |
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| 14:51.07 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, thanx im in a local chan now maybe they can help me |
| 14:51.13 | Ward1983 | easyer to explain in my native language |
| 14:51.20 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 14:51.47 | chomwitt_ | hi. i installed debian lenny. in the hardinfo report i dont get a sign about my video card(ati hd3xxx) beign recognized. but from synaptic i see that xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed. also i have connected my monitor to the vard output. how can i see if my card is recognized or not ? |
| 14:51.48 | ametaireau | oh, sorry, I had been disconected. Maybe someone try to answer me (about ftp and nautilus) ? |
| 14:52.13 | danners | sl33v3: su foouser |
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| 14:52.36 | sl33v3 | oh... |
| 14:52.38 | sl33v3 | no |
| 14:52.44 | dustybin | anybody got any cool tips or tricks you can do with debian? |
| 14:52.46 | ma3x | why the hell when i close my lid,it goes to standby!?!? |
| 14:52.50 | sleon | simonrvn: thank you |
| 14:52.55 | JordiGH | dustybin: I gave it to my mom and she liked it! |
| 14:52.59 | ma3x | how the fuck could they add that to the acpi updates? |
| 14:53.01 | dustybin | :o |
| 14:53.02 | JordiGH | dustybin: And to my brother, and he liked it more! |
| 14:53.03 | sl33v3 | i would like to be already in that directory when i login |
| 14:53.13 | JordiGH | Everything I touch becomes Debian. |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | sl33v3: you would change root's homedir .. but not really a great plan |
| 14:53.21 | sleon | :DD |
| 14:53.21 | ma3x | what is causing the suspend? |
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| 14:53.30 | joanes1 | Heya |
| 14:53.39 | sl33v3 | and su foouser only become him? |
| 14:53.43 | sleon | JordiGH: what a stange assosiation i have |
| 14:53.47 | dustybin | my favourite trick so far has to be aptitude purge '~c' |
| 14:53.54 | dustybin | now thats cool |
| 14:54.06 | JordiGH | dustybin: I also make fractals.... with Great Debian: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/fun-fractal-2.jpg |
| 14:54.07 | sl33v3 | abrotman:that's my temporary need |
| 14:54.13 | sleon | dustybin: what does ~c do? |
| 14:54.15 | JordiGH | Er, "for Great Debian". |
| 14:54.17 | joanes1 | I am using debian etch, with the etchnhalf kernel |
| 14:54.38 | dustybin | JordiGH: i used to make fractals years ago on my amiga |
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| 14:54.45 | dustybin | mandlebrots |
| 14:54.45 | Lixx | Hi lads anyone know much about squid proxy? |
| 14:55.00 | JordiGH | dustybin: this one is a Newton fractal. |
| 14:55.04 | dustybin | ace |
| 14:55.05 | sleon | Lixx: sure |
| 14:55.19 | Lixx | i cant seem to find a basic tutorial on configuring it :S |
| 14:55.24 | sl33v3 | su somebody cannot go into his home directory |
| 14:55.26 | dustybin | JordiGH: why does your server say this: Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) mod_auth_kerb/5.3 DAV/2 SVN/1.4.3 PHP/5.2.1 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Server at sums.math.mcgill.ca Port 80 |
| 14:55.27 | Lixx | i just want a basic proxy and web filtering, iv got dans guardian |
| 14:55.35 | dustybin | _Ubuntu_ <-- ? |
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| 14:55.46 | joanes1 | when I do /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start |
| 14:55.47 | Lixx | sleon can i PM you? |
| 14:55.52 | joanes1 | I get * No suitable module for running kernel found |
| 14:56.07 | DebianUser | dustybin, why not? It's the devil? ;-) |
| 14:56.08 | danners | sl33v3 su - somebody |
| 14:56.32 | joanes1 | how do I get virtualbox working |
| 14:56.35 | sleon | Lixx: sure |
| 14:56.38 | dustybin | If i would of known that JordiGH server was running Ubuntu, I would not of clicked on his image |
| 14:56.50 | sleon | Lixx: i am also doing dans guardian based filering |
| 14:56.52 | dustybin | clears the cache |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | dustybin: go to #ubuntu to talk about it |
| 14:56.55 | JordiGH | dustybin: It's not my server; it's my school's server. |
| 14:57.05 | sleon | Lixx: and also used squidguard too |
| 14:57.34 | chomwitt_ | is it true than i cant download source packages from synaptic and aptitude? |
| 14:58.04 | JordiGH | dustybin: btw, "could HAVE, would HAVE". :P |
| 14:58.13 | JordiGH | of != have |
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| 14:59.45 | dustybin | this is a cool trick to find mail server related messages in your log: egrep '(reject|warning|error|fatal|panic)' /var/log/syslog |
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| 14:59.54 | jelly | JordiGH: meh, and you missed incorrect "if I would have known" instead of intended "if I had known"! |
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| 15:00.07 | JordiGH | jelly: can't catch them all... |
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| 15:00.17 | sl33v3 | if i would like to run a script of a user when i login as root |
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| 15:00.23 | jelly | this is not #grammar anyway |
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| 15:00.25 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, that rescue option, is it with GUI? can i get on IRC from there? |
| 15:00.33 | sl33v3 | would u would suggest to do that? |
| 15:00.45 | sl33v3 | everytime i login |
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| 15:00.50 | JordiGH | jelly: I didn't pick on grammar, just on spelling. Grammar is natural, spelling isn't. :-) |
| 15:00.52 | jelly | sl33v3: su |
| 15:00.54 | sl33v3 | i have to cd to his /homr |
| 15:01.00 | sl33v3 | oh... |
| 15:01.09 | sl33v3 | ok |
| 15:01.12 | abrotman | sl33v3: su - foouser |
| 15:01.15 | sl33v3 | i still have to type su |
| 15:01.15 | jelly | sl33v3: wait, every time _you_ log in, or every time root logs in? |
| 15:01.30 | dustybin | anybody here know what vdpau is? |
| 15:01.35 | sl33v3 | every I login |
| 15:01.45 | sl33v3 | everytime I login as root actually |
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| 15:02.22 | jelly | sl33v3: you can put whatever you want in root's shell rc files |
| 15:02.29 | sl33v3 | oh |
| 15:02.52 | sl33v3 | ya....but it would make root'shome more complicated |
| 15:02.52 | jelly | !bashrc |
| 15:02.52 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
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| 15:03.45 | ma3x | when i close my laptop's lid, it goes to standby. what causes that? a few days ago it wasn't like that |
| 15:03.48 | sl33v3 | oh |
| 15:03.52 | sl33v3 | robot? |
| 15:03.57 | sl33v3 | !bashrc |
| 15:03.57 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>. |
| 15:04.02 | sl33v3 | so........... |
| 15:04.08 | JordiGH | ma3x: Are you running a DE? |
| 15:04.08 | peleg | I have a lot of "DEBCONF" strings in my exim4 configuration. I am trying to add relay_domains, but I don't want to change the DEBCONFs without knowing what it is |
| 15:04.15 | ma3x | JordiGH: what's de? |
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| 15:04.35 | JordiGH | ma3x: A desktop environment... Gnome or KDE or LXDE or Xfce or... |
| 15:04.39 | ma3x | yes kde |
| 15:04.46 | JordiGH | ma3x: 3.5? |
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| 15:04.59 | ma3x | 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 |
| 15:05.06 | ma3x | kdebase-bin-kde3 |
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| 15:05.13 | ma3x | 3.5.9 i guess |
| 15:05.24 | JordiGH | ma3x: Anyways, somewhere in kcontrol, you should find something about power management and disable suspend when the laptop lid is closed. |
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| 15:05.58 | ma3x | JordiGH: it's disabled ther |
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| 15:07.00 | JordiGH | ma3x: Ah, don't know then. It works in Gnome. ;-) |
| 15:07.13 | ma3x | i did some apt-get update && upgrade |
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| 15:07.16 | ma3x | these last few days |
| 15:07.21 | ma3x | some package must have caused it |
| 15:07.24 | ma3x | maybe acpi |
| 15:07.40 | abrotman | maybe you should look at your package manageer log and figure it out yourself |
| 15:07.42 | ma3x | shit, how can they put that and release the package |
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| 15:08.23 | abrotman | ma3x: if you don't like it, don't use testing/unstable .. quit whining, do some work and figure it out |
| 15:08.38 | JordiGH | ma3x: Seems to me like the problem is KDE that isn't communicating properly with ACPI, not ACPI itself. ;-) |
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| 15:09.00 | ajuonline | hi, i just installed lenny. but since I did a net inst. i installed everything except the desktop environment. now all I am on is command line. what command does the the install? for desktop environment? |
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| 15:09.18 | ma3x | so how can i find out what's doing it? |
| 15:09.19 | JordiGH | ajuonline: You can either run tasksel or handpick your packages with aptitude. |
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| 15:09.33 | abrotman | ajuonline: which desktop do you want? |
| 15:09.37 | ma3x | i don't see anything in /var/log/dpkg.log that points it |
| 15:09.55 | ma3x | it might be uswsusp |
| 15:09.59 | ajuonline | abrotman: gnome |
| 15:09.59 | JordiGH | ajuonline: We don't have a desktop package like Gnome, so if you want to install what Debian thinks "desktop" is, you should use tasksel. |
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| 15:10.03 | ma3x | but i removed it and closed the lid, and it suspeneded again |
| 15:10.05 | abrotman | ajuonline: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm |
| 15:10.19 | abrotman | JordiGH: yes we do |
| 15:10.20 | craigevil | ma3x: are you using kpowersave? |
| 15:10.24 | ma3x | yes |
| 15:10.30 | ajuonline | abrotman: ill try that thanks! |
| 15:10.36 | ma3x | it's disabled in kpowersasve |
| 15:10.41 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, never mind i'm gonna go for ubuntu server 8.04, i think i tried everything within reason and i wasted a TON of time on this crappy distro, thanx for the help anyway |
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| 15:10.45 | JordiGH | abrotman: Which one is it? |
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| 15:10.57 | JordiGH | Er, I meant, "desktop package like Ubuntu". |
| 15:11.11 | DebianUser | apt-get install gnome doesn't work? |
| 15:11.11 | asg | JordiGH: /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:11.26 | JordiGH | asg: But that doesn't pull in xorg... |
| 15:11.35 | abrotman | JordiGH: it shouldn't |
| 15:11.37 | ajuonline | DebianUser: no it didnt so, i did what abrotman said and its downloading some 600 Mb now |
| 15:11.46 | abrotman | ajuonline: yay! |
| 15:11.56 | morfol | i want to run a custom script after each added users, where do i put that? |
| 15:12.05 | abrotman | DebianUser: aptitude install gnome, won't do it, think of the remoteX users! |
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| 15:12.32 | enouf | JordiGH: we have tasksel :-) ( if nobody yet mentioned it ) |
| 15:12.35 | JordiGH | Fine, that's what I meant. Ubuntu has a "desktop" or "desktop-package". They just handle things a little different there. Also, since they prefer apt-get instead of aptitude, their policy states that uninstalling one dependency of a metapackage shouldn't uninstall all of it. |
| 15:12.36 | asg | JordiGH: yes, the factoid indicates that and provides pointers to how to do it |
| 15:12.53 | DebianUser | ok, thanks for the correction abrotman & ajuonline ;-) |
| 15:13.02 | ma3x | so what's causing my standby? how do i find out?! |
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| 15:13.12 | schasi | hi there |
| 15:13.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: who prefers apt-get ? |
| 15:13.47 | asg | does |
| 15:13.52 | JordiGH | abrotman: Ubuntu does. |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | no comment .. |
| 15:14.31 | ajuonline | is there a way I can save all the stuff that I downloaded via this netinst? so that I dont need to download again, if I choose to install again? to some other pc as well? |
| 15:14.35 | enouf | ma3x: perhaps find /etc/acpi* -name '*laptop*' -o name '*lid*' ? |
| 15:14.58 | enouf | ma3x: see the files that the pkg acpi-support-* installs/uses, use dpkg -L |
| 15:15.07 | abrotman | ajuonline: just burn the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives/ to a CD |
| 15:15.17 | enouf | JordiGH: count me |
| 15:15.24 | JordiGH | ajuonline: As a quick fix, copy /var/cache/apt/archives/* somewhere else. For a more permanent fix, if you're installing on a LAN, consider apt-cacher. |
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| 15:15.41 | ajuonline | abrotman & JordiGH ok thanks! :) |
| 15:16.00 | enouf | apt-zip ? |
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| 15:17.04 | enouf | (heh, duh, you mentioned tasksel :-p) |
| 15:17.27 | ma3x | Failed to open connection to session message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply t |
| 15:17.28 | ma3x | imeout expired, or the network connection was broken. |
| 15:17.45 | ma3x | is something wrong with dbus? sleep.sh fails to communicate with it i guess |
| 15:17.50 | ma3x | how do i fix this? |
| 15:17.55 | enouf | yep, sure seems so |
| 15:18.11 | enouf | security policy .. hrm |
| 15:18.22 | ma3x | should i just comment out /usr/share/acpi-support/suspendorhibernate suspend from /etc/acpi/sleep.sh? |
| 15:18.33 | ma3x | or is there a fix for that dbus communication error? |
| 15:18.35 | enouf | try as root |
| 15:18.41 | ma3x | i just did |
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| 15:19.37 | ma3x | oh my my |
| 15:19.45 | ma3x | this has been there for days |
| 15:19.57 | jocke-l | what is the easiest way to change the systemlocale after the generation? |
| 15:20.08 | enouf | ma3x: i made a typo - i want to correct (should be; find /etc/acpi* -name '*laptop*' -o -name '*lid*' ) |
| 15:20.10 | schasi | What would you choose if you were to pick a cheap pci-x sata controller? (no raid or such needed, just the additional ports it provides) |
| 15:20.20 | ma3x | enouf: i know, but i found it |
| 15:20.23 | enouf | i left off the - from the last name |
| 15:21.12 | enouf | schasi: what speed does your PCI-X offer? |
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| 15:22.16 | morfol | hey, i want to run a script after each created user, where do i put that? |
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| 15:22.36 | enouf | schasi: could try #hardware as well - but see if 3ware or areca offer something - yet not cheap - so then you have lsi, adaptec, etc .. then ou get into highpoint/promise |
| 15:23.16 | enouf | morfol: hrm, see /etc/default/useradd |
| 15:23.19 | schasi | enouf: do i get problems with an adaptec controller if all i want is the sata ports and not the raid? |
| 15:23.23 | jocke-l | Anyone who want to tell me? |
| 15:23.26 | morfol | enouf thanks |
| 15:23.27 | schasi | That is my main question |
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| 15:23.37 | enouf | schasi: you might - i can't say, sorry |
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| 15:24.12 | enouf | schasi: IOW, you might find that on a 8 port controller, you can only use 4 if you decide to not use the RAID |
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| 15:25.14 | schasi | I don't want the raid at all |
| 15:25.25 | schasi | And it should be as cheap as possible |
| 15:26.09 | enouf | we know - they (someone does) sell cards that have no riad abilities - might be PCIe only, might be miniPCI< might be half-height only |
| 15:26.29 | enouf | schasi: i asked you bus speed capability |
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| 15:28.53 | schasi | enouf: 64-bit 100Mhz pci-x |
| 15:28.57 | enouf | ok .. let's try .. ahh |
| 15:29.05 | kiwi_ | JordiGH, no need to configure touchpad, three fingers = context menu already working :-) |
| 15:29.09 | enouf | schasi: how many PCI-X slots? |
| 15:29.41 | enouf | schasi: just be aware, many Mainboards with |
| 15:29.59 | ma3x | enouf: it was the stupid kpowersave |
| 15:30.26 | enouf | schasi: just be aware, many Mainboards with 3 or more .. many times reduce speed if you use all 3 slots, since there's only 1 controller many times, so, the slowest one wil dictate the speed of the other 2 |
| 15:30.45 | enouf | ma3x: i recall you finding a bug in it - i thought you reported it or something |
| 15:30.52 | schasi | 6, with max 2 to use iirc |
| 15:30.56 | ma3x | enouf: i don't recall |
| 15:31.25 | enouf | schasi: then you'll likely have atleast 2 separate controller == good |
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| 15:31.44 | dustybin | What would happen if you executed this from irssi: /exec -out apt-get moo |
| 15:31.51 | enouf | flood |
| 15:31.57 | dustybin | eeek |
| 15:32.09 | enouf | dustybin: you'd flood the channel :-) with m00 cow :-p |
| 15:32.13 | dustybin | heh |
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| 15:32.25 | enouf | dustybin: /join some ##dustybin and try it ;-) |
| 15:32.31 | dustybin | heh ok |
| 15:33.18 | enouf | dustybin: and i think irssi can use -o, not -out, or both/either .. this client requires -out |
| 15:33.39 | dustybin | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 15:33.43 | dustybin | :P |
| 15:33.46 | heroxbd | Hello. I want to package some custom files scattering around my file system to a personal *.deb file and copy them around instead of using rsync or scp. What tools should I use? I have not maintained a packaged for debian yet. |
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| 15:35.18 | schasi | heroxbd: Why not use .tar or something? |
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| 15:37.12 | heroxbd | schasi: I also want some postinstall scripts or something. And I want some package installed automatically from package dependence, instead of write "aptitude -y install xxx" scripts... |
| 15:37.26 | schasi | heroxbd: i see |
| 15:37.37 | slacker_nl | xp rules |
| 15:37.43 | ComradeHaz | Hi all. Any UKers here got iPlayer working under 64bit? |
| 15:37.52 | heroxbd | schasi: I am looking at dpkg-deb's man page. Seems good... |
| 15:37.55 | schasi | slacker_nl: indeed. xtreme programming can be very nice |
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| 15:38.19 | petemc | ComradeHaz: isnt it just flash? |
| 15:38.25 | ComradeHaz | nah |
| 15:38.28 | petemc | its not? |
| 15:38.29 | ComradeHaz | Adobe AIR |
| 15:38.30 | schasi | heroxbd: If i were you i would look for some debian packaging howtos and tutorials. But from what i hear, creating debian packages is not very easy |
| 15:38.51 | ComradeHaz | ok, the page itself is just flash |
| 15:39.04 | ComradeHaz | But I'm talking about their new download manager |
| 15:39.16 | petemc | no idea, i have a bbcredux account |
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| 15:39.29 | heroxbd | schasi: I have read new maint guide. But that's packaging from source packages. |
| 15:39.52 | heroxbd | schasi: My files are mainly some custom binaries and their conffiles. |
| 15:40.05 | ComradeHaz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/12/introducing_iplayer_deskto.html «--- for anyone that's interested |
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| 15:40.39 | enouf | !+tell heroxbd -about metapackage |
| 15:40.39 | dpkg | told heroxbd about metapackage. |
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| 15:40.52 | petemc | ComradeHaz: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/10/history_of_the_bbc_redux_proje.html |
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| 15:41.38 | enouf | !+tell heroxbd -about package basics |
| 15:41.39 | dpkg | told heroxbd about package basics. |
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| 15:42.25 | Optic | hello, debian! I'm maintaining a bunch of debian machines, and I'm moving my custom software into packages... I'm going to have them do automatic updates with cron-apt |
| 15:42.31 | Optic | but how can I get them to install new packages? |
| 15:42.32 | schasi | !+tell schasi -about metapackage |
| 15:42.32 | dpkg | told schasi about metapackage. |
| 15:42.48 | enouf | schasi: you can /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 15:42.52 | Optic | oh |
| 15:42.53 | Optic | metapackage |
| 15:42.55 | Optic | haha |
| 15:42.57 | heroxbd | schasi: You can talk directly to dpkg :) |
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| 15:43.13 | enouf | !tell schasi -about msgthebot |
| 15:43.52 | enouf | schasi: the + and - do specific things, and most likely is not what you wanted the intended result to be ;-) |
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| 15:44.43 | schasi | enouf: Thanks |
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| 15:44.46 | ComradeHaz | petemc: so is this available to the general public? |
| 15:44.50 | petemc | ComradeHaz: no |
| 15:45.00 | wirser | Hi I've tried to install 4.06 on IBM t22 thinkpad and can not get either lilo or grub to install with netinstall disk. any ideas |
| 15:45.05 | ComradeHaz | what's your position, then? |
| 15:45.11 | petemc | lucky, i guess |
| 15:45.17 | ComradeHaz | fair |
| 15:45.19 | ComradeHaz | ;) |
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| 15:45.37 | djiezes | wirser: i had a similar problem and had to install lilo in the mbr (third option i think) |
| 15:45.39 | enouf | wirser: see thinkwiki.org and #ibmthinkpad perhaps |
| 15:45.59 | monica__ | Hello, can I see the options as compile a package? |
| 15:46.08 | enouf | maybe even wiki.debian.org wirser |
| 15:46.19 | user333 | I'm thinking about switching my desktop to linux, and am a fairly experienced freebsd user. What are the advantages of debian over gentoo? |
| 15:46.40 | enouf | monica__: grab the source, look at the debian/control{rules} file |
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| 15:46.50 | slacker_nl | schasi: co-worker was messing about, i was showing him that my irssi theme is not displayed correctly on hius iphone |
| 15:47.04 | petemc | user333: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:47.28 | wirser | looking at thinkwiki.org |
| 15:47.29 | monica__ | enouf: thanks |
| 15:47.30 | ComradeHaz | so, Pete, do you not use iPlayer at all then? |
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| 15:47.52 | ComradeHaz | or indeed have any light to shine on my Adobe AIR woes?! :) |
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| 15:48.02 | petemc | ComradeHaz: very rarely, sometimes via my virginmedia box |
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| 15:48.24 | ComradeHaz | hmm, fair enough |
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| 15:49.11 | AwesomeMachine | I'm having problems getting debian.org in my browser. It just says waiting for www.debian.org, forvever. |
| 15:49.36 | petemc | AwesomeMachine: do other sites work? |
| 15:49.40 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
| 15:50.06 | AwesomeMachine | It's been like this for weeks |
| 15:50.15 | karme | for each iteration of: while true; do wget -q -O - 'http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz'|md5sum; sleep 2; done - i get a different md5 sum - what do you think is the most likely reason? memory corruption? |
| 15:50.25 | Eulex | AwesomeMachine, what if you put in http://www.de.debian.org/ or http://www.us.debian.org/ ? |
| 15:51.09 | enouf | karme: i don't know offhand, but why don't you just use debsums? |
| 15:51.41 | AwesomeMachine | it works |
| 15:51.52 | enouf | remove the -q as well - maybe redirect to file also - compare |
| 15:52.18 | Optic | yes, it looks like i need to make a metapackage and do dist-upgrade |
| 15:52.20 | AwesomeMachine | de works, us still says waiting |
| 15:52.20 | Optic | woo |
| 15:52.27 | Optic | then I can just add new depends to my metapackage |
| 15:52.31 | Optic | and the systems will install them? |
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| 15:53.32 | karme | enouf: well i already did wget -O /tmp/a .... and wget -O /tmp/b .... and a and b differ |
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| 15:55.29 | karme | enouf: the strange thing is that this seems only to happen if I try to get the debian Packages.gz |
| 15:55.30 | enouf | karme: wait - don't pipe the full output of wget to md5sum - d/l , then run md5sum on each 'file' d/led, not the actual d/l output |
| 15:55.44 | enouf | then .. well .. |
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| 15:57.20 | karme | enouf: looks like some attack? |
| 15:57.46 | wirser | ok what is the best way to get command line interface without reinstalling (expert, rescue or other) with netinstall cd? |
| 15:57.46 | enouf | karme: i'd rather not speculate about that - but maybe try adding this just after the .gz "ftp:// ....gz" 2>/dev/null |md5sum |
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| 15:59.30 | enouf | all i know is; i was recently doing something with wget and tee and it was pissing me off that it was behaving as i would've expected |
| 15:59.43 | enouf | s/was/wasn't |
| 16:00.38 | karme | enouf: well for me it is only on one machine |
| 16:01.55 | enouf | karme: you mean, same command, exactly as is, only does that on one specific box? |
| 16:01.57 | karme | enouf: but it does not only happen with Packages.gz (it seems all big downloads get corrupted) |
| 16:02.34 | enouf | karme: ahh .. hrm .. very possible - do you have a Hitachi HDD on that box? is it amd64 arch? or what's different than other boxen? |
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| 16:03.03 | enouf | large hitachi drive .. or, is that box using encryption or something? |
| 16:03.09 | karme | enouf: checking - maybe a problem with the nic? |
| 16:03.17 | enouf | karme: that too indeed |
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| 16:03.56 | enouf | karme: see what ifconfig -a says about errors, lost packets, etc .. hrm is the pkg size always the same? |
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| 16:07.03 | themill | karme: do you see this for ftp as well as http? |
| 16:07.52 | enouf | FWIW, Hitachi drives are fine, just some newer Large ones had an issue - http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/jafo_20081008_181615 -- since fixed |
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| 16:09.04 | enouf | I've also recently seen some NICs / modules doing some checksumming(?) incorrectly, or failing to do so .. or something |
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| 16:12.01 | enouf | and, IINM, that would show as errors in ifconfig output RX / TX fields -- also ethtool could help diagnose it, iirc |
| 16:12.58 | enouf | karme: also see if the box you're on is using Jumbo frames? is it an nvidia chipset? gigE? |
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| 16:13.40 | karme | hmm - no interface errors, this is a xen dom0 - bridged setup - maybe the problem is there somewhere? |
| 16:14.37 | nsadmin | wirser: alt-F2? |
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| 16:16.25 | bartden | hi, i wonder if there is a program like adsiedit (to view the dir structure of an AD domain , a program in windows) for linux? |
| 16:16.45 | Eulex | what's an AD domain? |
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| 16:16.58 | Eulex | ah, active directory |
| 16:17.04 | bartden | yup |
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| 16:18.21 | themill | judd info adtool |
| 16:18.21 | judd | themill: adtool (admin): is optional; Version: 1.2-3; Size: 14.2k; Installed: 100k -- command line utility for Active Directory administration |
| 16:18.35 | douglasjam | hi |
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| 16:19.06 | douglasjam | iam searching a distribution to learn linux, who can help me? |
| 16:19.14 | bartden | themill perhaps something graphical? |
| 16:19.38 | Eulex | bartden, run it in an xterm and it gets graphical. |
| 16:19.48 | nsadmin | douglasjam: if you choose debian, install etch and learn from that |
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| 16:20.00 | themill | bartden: no idea... I just found that in the output of "apt-cache search active directory". Have a look at some of the debtags it has perhaps. |
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| 16:20.09 | douglasjam | yesterday one person here send me theese link http://distrowatch.com |
| 16:20.13 | nsadmin | if you don't choose debian... no response |
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| 16:20.20 | bartden | ok thx themill |
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| 16:20.49 | dcnoye | i've installed debian on a mac mini (intel), and the backspace doesn't work... any thoughts? ideas of what is going on ? |
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| 16:21.05 | nsadmin | douglasjam: if there is other help traffic here, a distro comparison wouldn't be nice here |
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| 16:22.00 | AwesomeMachine | douglasjam: you might want to start with something easy. |
| 16:22.00 | douglasjam | ive alright tryied ubuntu |
| 16:22.01 | douglasjam | but, ubuntu i dont learn much |
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| 16:22.01 | karme | themill: yes using ftp i see the same problem |
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| 16:22.11 | vsayikiran | epiphany browser stores the cache file and name them in a peculiar fashion. each file usually ends with "d01" and begins with 8 hexdigit number. What does these number represent, do they have any significance? |
| 16:22.13 | douglasjam | i wanna know better computers |
| 16:22.24 | nsadmin | douglasjam: no matter what distro you run, you can always look to the internet to give you endless sources of info |
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| 16:22.27 | AwesomeMachine | You would best ask questions about debian, not general distro questions |
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| 16:23.04 | abrotman | that's what ##linux is for |
| 16:23.06 | MoebiusX | Hello. I have a question re Lenny. I want to install Debian onto a server. Being that Lenny is about to become stable soon, do you advise me to dist-upgrade now, or to remain on Etch and use a mixed system for those apps that I need from Lenny? |
| 16:23.21 | abrotman | MoebiusX: internal or external? |
| 16:23.26 | nsadmin | douglasjam: "ubuntu i dont learn much" is another way of saying "I didn't try to find something to learn" |
| 16:23.27 | dcnoye | when does lenny go stable ? |
| 16:23.33 | MoebiusX | abrotman: production webserver with MTA, dns. |
| 16:23.33 | abrotman | WIR, SIYH |
| 16:23.33 | AwesomeMachine | Debian is a fast, flexible, powerful computer os, with command line tools, and it has a learning curve to match. |
| 16:23.36 | stew | MoebiusX: definately not a mixed system |
| 16:23.43 | abrotman | MoebiusX: i wouldn't put a lenny system outside |
| 16:23.46 | douglasjam | i read 1/5 handbook |
| 16:23.46 | MoebiusX | stew: yes, but I need some stuff from Lenny, so... |
| 16:23.57 | douglasjam | but is all automatically |
| 16:23.58 | abrotman | MoebiusX: such as what? |
| 16:24.02 | stew | MoebiusX: either use a backport or use lenny, don'e mix |
| 16:24.06 | stew | don't* |
| 16:25.01 | nsadmin | douglasjam: debian is also automatic in most of the same respects ubuntu is. Ubuntu and anything else besides debian are not discussable here |
| 16:25.20 | MoebiusX | abrotman: now that you guys mention it, I guess I can handle with etch backports for those versions that are not in stable, but are in backports and lenny. |
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| 16:25.45 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> 4.0r6 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg lenny status | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:25.51 | nsadmin | (how many ways are there to say that? how many ways do you need?) |
| 16:25.52 | abrotman | objects! |
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| 16:26.01 | stew | diff: add /msg dpkg lenny status ; remove NO PUBLIC KEY |
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| 16:26.11 | nsadmin | abrotman: smalltalk! |
| 16:26.41 | AwesomeMachine | is back |
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| 16:27.07 | MoebiusX | stew, abrotman: thanks for your advices. |
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| 16:27.38 | AwesomeMachine | does anyone know if there is a problem with http://www.us.debian.org website. I cannot even ping. |
| 16:27.59 | pip | Hello, how to set default gateway with ifconfig |
| 16:28.00 | nsadmin | AwesomeMachine: try www.debian.org |
| 16:28.10 | nsadmin | AwesomeMachine: try http.us.debian.org |
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| 16:28.28 | enouf | karme: udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ethX (or use udevadm which replaces udevinfo?) for some general stats (though i thought this output also list the tcp window size, anyways the mtu is there) -- there's other things too |
| 16:28.37 | nsadmin | pip: you don't |
| 16:28.57 | pip | nsadmin, then how to config the internet |
| 16:28.58 | rob79 | pip: try "route" ^^ |
| 16:28.59 | nsadmin | you set it with route, and/or by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:29.23 | nsadmin | by editing /etc/network/interfaces (in debian and similar dists) |
| 16:29.46 | enouf | dcnoye: /msg dpkg backspace (there's a factoid about it, but i forget the name of it) |
| 16:29.51 | pip | I have set the static ip of the ethernet adapter but seems lack of module, so please tell me which kernel module should be loaded ? |
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| 16:30.04 | AwesomeMachine | forget it. it was blocked by netfilter. |
| 16:30.15 | dcnoye | enouf: thanks dude ! |
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| 16:30.34 | AwesomeMachine | is back |
| 16:30.47 | pip | I got a serious problem that I loat all the partition table on the Hard drive, so I can boot any OS from it, how to get the partition table back ? |
| 16:30.55 | AwesomeMachine | is away: away |
| 16:31.00 | dcnoye | enouf: dpk g does have a clue about backspace |
| 16:31.04 | stoned | !tell AwesomeMachine -about away |
| 16:31.07 | enouf | vsayikiran: the 8 digit hex might be specific to your user's ~/.mozilla/../../XXXXXXX.profile ? |
| 16:31.24 | enouf | dcnoye: one second |
| 16:31.25 | nsadmin | pip: restore it from the backup |
| 16:31.42 | pip | nsadmin, If there is a backup, there is no such bother |
| 16:31.45 | MoebiusX | When using backports, is subscribing to debian-security-announce list enough, or should I also subscribe to backports-security-announce list? |
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| 16:31.54 | karme | strange - now everything seems fine / can't reproduce broken downloads |
| 16:32.02 | enouf | !tell dcnoye about backspace problem |
| 16:32.08 | nsadmin | pip: no backup? sorry to hear that |
| 16:32.13 | pip | nsadmin, I don't clearly remember that partition table |
| 16:32.24 | pip | nsadmin, which means I will lose the data ? |
| 16:32.30 | enouf | !tell dcnoye about backspace and delete reversed |
| 16:32.36 | enouf | !tell dcnoye about mac-delete |
| 16:32.45 | themill | waits for the flood of "no public key" questions after stew's /topic change :P |
| 16:32.45 | vsayikiran | enouf: but it keeps on changing everytime a new file is loaded into the cache folder |
| 16:32.50 | nsadmin | pip: unless you can find the partitions via some other means |
| 16:33.09 | dcnoye | enouf: thanks |
| 16:33.09 | pip | nsadmin, If you can give me some clue or methods ? |
| 16:33.14 | enouf | vsayikiran: oh, then perhaps a /tmp folder/cache algorithm naming it |
| 16:33.18 | niklaswe | has pure-ftpd support for tls on default ? |
| 16:33.22 | nsadmin | no, I keep my partition table backed up |
| 16:33.25 | nsadmin | that's how I do it |
| 16:33.32 | stew | themill: yeah, becuase we never got them when it was in the /topic :) |
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| 16:33.51 | Hrbrm | How do I make a program autostart on boot? |
| 16:34.05 | themill | stew: THIS IS NOT #ubuntu was always quite effective too. |
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| 16:34.09 | enouf | dcnoye: also #debianppc might have more info, and i guess you might want to create a ~/.xmodmap file so that loads each time you login? not sure |
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| 16:34.16 | nsadmin | pip: maybe google would be helpful |
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| 16:34.21 | pip | okay |
| 16:34.22 | stew | themill: and the factoid it was pointing to was referring to <2006 key> |
| 16:34.36 | themill | heh |
| 16:35.06 | enouf | Hrbrm: what program - /msg dpkg services ; /msg dpkg update-rc.d ; /msg dpkg startup |
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| 16:37.09 | stoned | good morning |
| 16:37.30 | simonrvn | for another 23 minutes |
| 16:37.30 | stoned | whoah! the topic is so much smaller now |
| 16:38.03 | MoebiusX | Where does apt keep package data? Under /var ? |
| 16:38.10 | nsadmin | at which point it will be 9 am! |
| 16:38.11 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 16:38.41 | simonrvn | MoebiusX: ^ |
| 16:38.47 | MoebiusX | simonrvn: oh, thanks. |
| 16:38.53 | stoned | like /var/apt/cache |
| 16:38.58 | stoned | mabye |
| 16:39.11 | simonrvn | *package* data |
| 16:39.15 | stoned | $>cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:39.19 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.21 | simonrvn | not .debs |
| 16:39.23 | stoned | hm |
| 16:39.25 | MoebiusX | Well, i'm asking to know how much space to give to /var partition |
| 16:39.31 | stoned | what do you mean package data? |
| 16:39.31 | nsadmin | that's where it keeps downloaded .desb |
| 16:39.52 | _Sam-- | hey how do i enable sftp transfer logging? |
| 16:39.54 | simonrvn | /var/lib/apt/ /var/lib/dpkg /var/cache/debconf /var .... you get the idea |
| 16:39.58 | stoned | oh |
| 16:40.03 | MoebiusX | stoned: data which it downloads when you do apt-get update? |
| 16:40.16 | stoned | yeh |
| 16:40.19 | simonrvn | ffirst one |
| 16:40.20 | stew | MoebiusX: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 16:40.23 | nsadmin | apt-get and friends use dpkg to install things, so it's dpkg that keeps the data of what's installed, etc |
| 16:40.30 | stoned | I thought he was talking bout the actual package DATA which is all over the system really |
| 16:40.34 | stoned | heh |
| 16:40.36 | MoebiusX | at any rate, its all under /var, and that's important for me to know the size of parition for /var |
| 16:41.04 | simonrvn | minimum 1-2 gb |
| 16:41.07 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.24 | nsadmin | so you'll need to accomodate that in some wau |
| 16:41.26 | simonrvn | to allow for huge updates ;) |
| 16:41.37 | MoebiusX | simonrvn: Yeah, but I have only 6GB, this is a testbed machine where I'll play with Debian for a while, so I have to spread out. |
| 16:41.43 | stoned | one time I didn't update my sid machine for 6 months! |
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| 16:41.55 | MoebiusX | oops, that didn't come out as intended. ;) |
| 16:41.58 | stoned | you can imagine some shit I had to go through |
| 16:42.05 | simonrvn | don't go below ~500-750 then |
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| 16:42.14 | simonrvn | mb |
| 16:42.18 | stoned | hey how can you pass audio to the card directly like a frequency |
| 16:42.21 | MoebiusX | simonrvn: yeah, I thought something like that. thanks. |
| 16:42.31 | stoned | say I want to send a 2600hz tone or soemthing ;) |
| 16:42.38 | nsadmin | :P |
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| 16:42.55 | enouf | stoned: speaker-test -tsine -f2600 |
| 16:42.56 | stoned | no really, you can cat stuff to /dev/dsp but I wanna know how to ray make a siren |
| 16:42.56 | nsadmin | you must live in an old telco area :P |
| 16:43.01 | simonrvn | get a tone generator |
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| 16:43.18 | enouf | additionally -c for count |
| 16:43.23 | stoned | enouf, loop something in say python and let it run a siren sounding thingy in it |
| 16:43.38 | enouf | or grab the orig xmms |
| 16:43.42 | simonrvn | enouf: what's that from? |
| 16:43.44 | stoned | so spreaker-test? or what is a more direct way to access the sound card |
| 16:43.45 | stoned | ? |
| 16:43.49 | nsadmin | stoned: get a whistle from a capn crunch cereal box :P |
| 16:43.50 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 16:43.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
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| 16:43.56 | enouf | simonrvn: alsa-utils? |
| 16:44.05 | simonrvn | oh, already there, 'k |
| 16:44.10 | stoned | I see |
| 16:44.47 | enouf | stoned: maybe aplay/arecord - or start cat'ing shit to /dev/dsp :-P |
| 16:44.50 | niklaswe | i have setup tls/ssl on my ftp (pure-ftpd) debian-server an i got this error Response:234 AUTH TLS OK. |
| 16:44.53 | niklaswe | Status:Initializing TLS... |
| 16:45.05 | niklaswe | Connection timeout |
| 16:45.20 | nsadmin | write a program to generate sine waves at some sample rate |
| 16:45.21 | niklaswe | Could not connect to server?.. |
| 16:45.40 | simonrvn | so after requesting START_TLS, it dropped the connection (the client), it looks it. |
| 16:45.51 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 16:45.55 | petemc | niklaswe: sysctl -A | grep kernel.random.entropy_avail |
| 16:46.21 | karme | enouf: only rx-checksumming is on (eth0: RTL8168b/8111b at 0xffffc20000032000...) |
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| 16:46.39 | themill | enouf: 2.6 kHz... do you have dog blood in you or something? |
| 16:46.41 | simonrvn | or just sysctl kernel.random.entropy_avail |
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| 16:46.59 | niklaswe | petemc: error: "Operation not permitted" reading key "net.ipv4.route.flush" |
| 16:47.00 | \amethyst | niklaswe: is there a firewall involved on either end? |
| 16:47.02 | enouf | themill: it was stoned 's freq :-P |
| 16:47.23 | niklaswe | \amethyst: no the ports are open on the router |
| 16:47.24 | themill | ah, well that explains it all then |
| 16:47.29 | petemc | niklaswe: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
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| 16:47.37 | enouf | niklaswe: sysctl -a2>/dev/null | grep whatever |
| 16:47.39 | niklaswe | \amethyst: i cant connect to it from localhost ethier.. |
| 16:47.41 | enouf | bah |
| 16:47.44 | enouf | niklaswe: sysctl -a 2>/dev/null | grep whatever |
| 16:47.53 | peleg | I have purged any mail-related program on my debian. I want to start everything from the beginning, but this time properly, understanding what I do, and right a comprehensive tutorial. What do you think will be *simpler*, to work with imap and mailman -- postfix or exim4? |
| 16:48.29 | petemc | peleg: probably postfix is simpler, but you had a working exim config before, no? |
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| 16:49.22 | peleg | petemc, I had exim4 that worked with mailman, but I couldn't (ever) make it work with imap. I wanted to start from scratch, understanding any part of the process (at least minimal understanding) |
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| 16:49.48 | petemc | fair enough |
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| 16:49.51 | niklaswe | enouf: what will i look after then? :P |
| 16:49.58 | peleg | petemc, so you say postfix? |
| 16:50.08 | karme | enouf: it seems ethtool -K eth0 rx off helps |
| 16:50.12 | petemc | peleg: i myself use exim |
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| 16:50.21 | enouf | niklaswe: some others were helping you with the issue - i'm not sure how to help with yours, offhand |
| 16:50.33 | peleg | petemc, let's rephrase the question: can you point 2-3 major differnces between the two? |
| 16:50.34 | stoned | bash loop |
| 16:50.44 | stoned | but its not continous |
| 16:50.46 | enouf | karme: really? check bugs.debian.org - i saw the kernel devs dealing with that |
| 16:50.51 | stoned | damit |
| 16:51.06 | petemc | peleg: exim is extremely flexible, which means it can also seem complex |
| 16:51.07 | smacnay | Hi, how would I save a live stream from the internet? This is from some sort of java applet at a radio station. mplayer? Or is there a way to do it from firefox (iceweasel) itself? |
| 16:51.11 | enouf | karme: and now that you mention it, i recall that was what they did, to stop it |
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| 16:51.34 | niklaswe | \amethyst: do you have any ide on the problem.. ? |
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| 16:52.14 | peleg | petemc, well, what I need is quite simple, I think: mailman, imap that works with a few (up to 20-30) virtual users, pop3 might be nice, end of story. Do I need exim for that? |
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| 16:53.12 | petemc | peleg: exim can do that, but so could postfix - but i think you need to be aware that configuring any mailserver isnt as simple as some people seem to think it is |
| 16:53.52 | rob79 | weeks weeks ... hrhr with antispam ^^ |
| 16:53.55 | karme | enouf: should i write a debian bug report? |
| 16:54.00 | enouf | karme: likely waiting for upstream, or the manufacturer to fix it - if it wasn't just a kernel issue |
| 16:54.16 | enouf | karme: i'm almost sure one should already be there |
| 16:54.25 | karme | enouf: will take a look |
| 16:54.41 | enouf | karme: can i pm you? |
| 16:54.47 | peleg | petemc, sure, I understood that already. I am playing with it in the last few month. Well, the thing is that I am not worried about simplicity -- I am worried about absence of clear documentation. There should be a straight forward algorithm of how to configure a basic configuration of any program, even if it is a complex MTA |
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| 16:54.58 | karme | enouf: yes sure |
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| 16:55.03 | enouf | ok |
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| 16:56.51 | peleg | petemc, so I am ready to fight if I need to, and make a lot of efforts, but I really want to achieve my goal: within a day or two, write that algorithm for MTA+mailman+imap+virtual users (some) on Debian, that will work even if I'll let a dumb person repeat it. It should be achievable, that goal. I hope. |
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| 16:57.44 | petemc | peleg: going from knowing next to nothing to writing a how to in a few days, im not sure thats achievable |
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| 16:59.16 | enouf | peleg: i like your style/goals ;-) |
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| 16:59.44 | enouf | peleg: just try to keep it from being GUI :-p |
| 17:00.03 | peleg | petemc, well, I am not completely ignorant. I am running this debian for almost a year now, and I have a lot of experience with apache and with configuration files in general. I just never understood how MTAs work. Moreover, I don't want to do it alone -- I want to ask here questions during several phases of the process. And finally: it won't be a tutorial that will teach people the deep backgrounds of mail-transferring -- but mostly an alg |
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| 17:00.52 | skiter | someone know how I can change the page that show if I don't have index page into directory? |
| 17:01.00 | peleg | enouf, I guess you're kidding? Well, it won't be GUI (I don't even have GUI on this Debian) -- but do you really think it is not a good goal? |
| 17:01.27 | themill | there are already plenty of pages on howtoforge that tell you how to do this without providing information on why or how it works |
| 17:01.31 | enouf | peleg: your last msg was truncated at "-- but mostly an alg ..." |
| 17:01.50 | peleg | ...but mostly an algorithm, as I said |
| 17:02.07 | enouf | peleg: yes, i was joking, sort of - a GUI means hidden commands, ergo; nobody will learn anything |
| 17:02.10 | stew | skiter: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_dir.html#directoryindex |
| 17:02.38 | enouf | peleg: just like most everything now in the two main DEs |
| 17:02.43 | joepa | how might I get something like an md5sum for a directory, without archiving the directory? I just want to compare to directories on different machines to make sure they have identical contents |
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| 17:03.37 | peleg | themill, well, maybe I have missed the right one, but mostly I encounter some "orders" in that algorithm that are either un-achievable (mistake in the algorithm) or not-explained (vague algorithm) |
| 17:04.31 | pip | what is a .linux file ? |
| 17:04.42 | pip | the extension is linux, how to use that file ? |
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| 17:04.57 | peleg | enouf, well, since I *do* want to learn (though, not necessarily become a MTA professional), I will try to write that "algorithm" in the same manner. I will *not* type commands one after another just because it's written somewhere... don't forget: I had mailman working, but I didn't understand why, so I purged it to do it again! |
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| 17:05.43 | peleg | This algorithm should be explained, line by line, what and why (with some simplicity) it does |
| 17:05.55 | petemc | peleg: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/examples/example.conf.gz |
| 17:06.24 | enouf | peleg: as i said, a worthy goal in my humble opinion ;-) |
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| 17:06.45 | breize | hi there, i just installed lenny, but when starting X11 i get "signal out of range" i also recognized that my xorg.conf is nearly empty, any suggestions for a line on xorg.conf which will fix this? |
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| 17:06.54 | enouf | peleg: i loathe email, gives me hives just thinking about it :-P |
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| 17:07.44 | enouf | peleg: and it;s all because spam is allowed to thrive, and the explotiative nature stupid people all their crappy OSes to use |
| 17:07.55 | enouf | s/all/allow |
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| 17:09.01 | enouf | breize: setup Vert and Hor refresh rate ranges in xorg.conf |
| 17:09.19 | breize | enouf: what if i don't know them for my monitor? |
| 17:09.44 | enouf | breize: see man xorg.conf, wiki.x.org and perhaps boot a livecd and steal it's config as a template - or try Xorg -configure |
| 17:09.54 | enouf | breize: you google make/model |
| 17:10.06 | enouf | and/or run cvt or gtf |
| 17:10.14 | breize | thx i will try Xorg -configure |
| 17:10.24 | foobared | is it normal, that `touch A b ; echo [A-Z]*' gives `A b' in bash? |
| 17:10.51 | enouf | with Lenny / sid atleast - otherwise hwinfo --monitor {--framebuffer}, xrandr, xdpyinfo, etc |
| 17:11.50 | themill | foobared: yes, that looks quite sensible |
| 17:12.00 | enouf | breize: egrep 'drv|EE' /var/log/Xorg.0.log will also show you any errors and which Xorg modules are in use |
| 17:12.16 | stew | its even more sensible in zsh |
| 17:12.32 | breize | k... thx, Xorg -configure resultet in the same "signal out of range" i will try a livecd |
| 17:12.37 | breize | thanks for your help so far |
| 17:12.57 | foobared | themill: other bash-3.2 and ksh gives `A' |
| 17:13.52 | enouf | echo [a-zA-Z] gives? |
| 17:14.08 | enouf | oh .. duh - i missed the * there |
| 17:14.37 | enouf | foobared: careful of diffs between backticks ` and single quotes ' |
| 17:14.53 | themill | the * is irrelevant to the example |
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| 17:14.56 | foobared | enouf: `A b', as expected |
| 17:15.06 | wirser | during install where do .deb pkgs get downloaded to? |
| 17:15.29 | enouf | themill: well, then i'm nonsensible :-p |
| 17:15.34 | foobared | enouf: I used `' used for literals, not part of the command |
| 17:15.41 | stew | wirser: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:16.03 | enouf | ok, just noting |
| 17:16.04 | wirser | stew: thanks |
| 17:16.16 | themill | foobared: but you know that ` is not the same as open-quote even if latex uses it :) |
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| 17:18.17 | foobared | themill: yes, sorry. I tried to avoid multi-line text and separate code ... |
| 17:18.46 | wirser | strange niether lilo nor grub are in /var/cache/apt/archives although I tried both |
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| 17:19.56 | enouf | wirser: are you looking for the installer pkgs? those would be udebs, not debs |
| 17:20.34 | wirser | enoufok where are udebs located then? |
| 17:21.01 | enouf | or, if you used d/l in a different way, other than apt-get/aptitude, etc they could be most anywhere |
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| 17:21.37 | enouf | wirser: nowhere, afaik - they're customized very small debs designed specifically for the installer |
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| 17:22.04 | enouf | wirser: to keep space/size to a minimum, yet still do their functions needed |
| 17:22.12 | enouf | !udeb |
| 17:22.13 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 17:22.17 | themill | foobared: [..] in bash uses your locale to work out the collation. Unlike the C locale, most other locales collate the upper and lower case together, so A-Z is actually equivalent to ABbCcDd etc. If you export LANG=C then you would get the globbing that you probably wanted and expected. |
| 17:22.28 | themill | foobared: see http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Pattern-Matching for more details |
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| 17:24.05 | abrotman | i don't think it will cache packages you get from a local source like a CD |
| 17:24.18 | enouf | most other locales == the way windowsworld works? eww |
| 17:24.41 | niklaswe | hmm will TLS sending cert on udp or tcp? (pure-ftpd)? |
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| 17:25.34 | enouf | wirser: you can get udebs from p.d.o , but know, you're not supposed to use them - and why would you want to? |
| 17:25.43 | wirser | enouf:I installed everthing booting fron the netinstall disk which failed installing bootloader both lilo and grub I'm trying to install grub manually so far I created the /boot/grub dir but could not find the grub files which thinkwiki says reside at "/usr/share/grub/i386-pc/ or /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc" |
| 17:25.46 | enouf | (or from svn co) |
| 17:25.58 | themill | foobared: this collation is also used by things like ls -- touch A b C and then compare the difference between "ls" and "LANG=C ls" |
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| 17:25.59 | Givvade | since I tried to install kde4 on my debian lenny, when I want to start some programs (e.g. evince) it says: "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2: undefined symbol: dbus_watch_get_unix_fd" |
| 17:26.11 | Givvade | you habe some ideas how to solve this problem? |
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| 17:26.22 | enouf | wirser: have you done apt-get install grub ? |
| 17:26.39 | enouf | wirser: dpkg -l grub |
| 17:26.58 | enouf | !tell wirser about rescue mode |
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| 17:27.05 | enouf | wirser: is another option there |
| 17:28.20 | enouf | wirser: i have no /usr/share/grub/ dir here |
| 17:28.50 | enouf | file:///usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/ i have |
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| 17:29.23 | enouf | wirser: are you sure you didn't try installing grub2/grub-pc/grub-efi and such? |
| 17:29.31 | newsense | enouf, i remember you telling someone the other day how to check what modules are compatible with a pci device by grepping for a line in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap and i thought you were grepping some output lspci gave for the device but forgot what im grepping for |
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| 17:30.08 | enouf | newsense: heh - i think we weretalking about /modules.dep - you can just use modinfo for that though |
| 17:30.40 | newsense | oh yeah thats it but if modinfo shows that already il use that thanks |
| 17:30.51 | wirser | enouf: apt-get I need to be online with laptop , dpkg -l grup shows not installed I'm in rescue mode in shell right now |
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| 17:30.58 | enouf | newsense: to grep for [xxxx:xxxx] as seen in lspci -nn output of each Vendor/DeviceID, i use for ex; $ grep '8086.*10ce' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 17:30.58 | enouf | e1000e 0x00008086 0x000010ce 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 17:31.07 | viller | how can I record the ouput of my speakers? |
| 17:31.22 | newsense | enouf, thanks :) |
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| 17:31.30 | enouf | newsense: now, note; Lenny adds a -k option to lspci which can help |
| 17:31.34 | enouf | ok |
| 17:31.46 | newsense | didnt know that either |
| 17:32.05 | enouf | viller: direct to a live mic? |
| 17:32.22 | viller | :( no quality like that I guess |
| 17:32.31 | viller | I have a shitty mic anyway |
| 17:33.21 | enouf | viller: various ways to record what's being streamed through your soundcard - many apps already offer ways |
| 17:34.01 | enouf | viller: i guess arecord is one simple way |
| 17:35.38 | wirser | enouf; ok if I reboot the online in rescue mode then boot into my hd mount my bootsector . then should I apt-get install grub?laptop |
| 17:36.30 | wirser | err laptop goes before online |
| 17:37.23 | MoebiusX | Where can I find an official guide on how to use backports? |
| 17:37.50 | Eulex | on backports.org |
| 17:37.51 | newsense | wiki.debian.org |
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| 17:38.16 | stew | MoebiusX: click on 'instructions' on the backports.org site |
| 17:38.45 | MoebiusX | Thanks guys. I ask because I'm having a problem with no public key available, thought I missed something. |
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| 17:39.12 | stew | MoebiusX: that is explained on the instructions page |
| 17:39.40 | enouf | wirser: laptop online in rescue mode? |
| 17:40.02 | enouf | wirser: grub should be installed fine if rescue mode was successful, IINM |
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| 17:40.57 | MoebiusX | stew: Yes, I followed the steps there, but step 2 (apt-get update) fails because the pub key is not available. Not sure what I'm missing. |
| 17:41.08 | enouf | wirser: well .. if you messed up the 'installing packages' phase while in the installer, you might be missing things, so, sure - run apt-get install grub anyway, if not just to get the latest version for your release |
| 17:41.12 | themill | MoebiusX: it doesn't fail |
| 17:41.13 | MoebiusX | stew: scratch that, I just saw the bottom of the page. duh. |
| 17:41.44 | enouf | wirser: once done; i suggest you man grub and man update-grub |
| 17:42.48 | foobared | themill: LC_COLLATE=C help, indeeed. thanks |
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| 17:43.37 | MoebiusX | Is there a way to automatically upgrade all installed packages to latest version provided by the backports repository? |
| 17:43.56 | themill | MoebiusX: that's not really recommended |
| 17:44.07 | wirser | enouf ,something happened during the install phase and it didn't create /boot/grub dir so I think apt-get may be the best option |
| 17:44.11 | acu | when I want to use some dvd's I get "Access denied to /media/cdrom0." I thought as a base desktop configuration would have taken care of this most basic requirment - can anyone tell me what to do to use ? |
| 17:44.15 | enouf | bah he left themill -- gah -- what if he did export LC_ALL=whatever |
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| 17:44.48 | MoebiusX | themill: any particular reason why not? |
| 17:44.49 | themill | enouf: that'd work too. LANG= or LC_ALL or LC_COLLATE. tias! |
| 17:44.54 | enouf | wirser: you can d/l grub directly from packages.debian.org and install it using dpkg -i |
| 17:45.11 | enouf | themill: very interesting ;-) |
| 17:46.01 | themill | MoebiusX: You're delving into unknown territory. No-one will have tried that particular set of packages together and they may not act together as you want them to. If you really wanted that many packages upgraded, then perhaps you should use lenny. |
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| 17:46.31 | enouf | acu: is the username in the cdrom audio video plugdev groups? |
| 17:47.31 | enouf | acu: ensure ls -l /media/cdrom0 points to the correct /dev/name - or vice-versa - cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info and dmesg will help |
| 17:48.14 | enouf | acu: /media is usually taken over via whetever DE automount stuff you use - /msg dpkg automount - check with /etc/fstab as well |
| 17:48.18 | acu | enou: thanks - I am checking now - I added the user to fuse group too |
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| 17:49.03 | MoebiusX | themill: I understand, thanks. |
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| 17:49.50 | enouf | acu: yes, for ntfs-3g and other various FUSE FSs you need / want that |
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| 17:50.20 | GhostlyDeath | when I do the for file in something, I want it to separate by newlines not spaces |
| 17:50.54 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: use the while read line ; do ... $line ; done < filename |
| 17:51.01 | enouf | construct |
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| 17:51.33 | GhostlyDeath | ah thanks |
| 17:51.41 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: or .. your $IFS is not set right |
| 17:51.54 | MoebiusX | uhm, i uninstalled exim4 with apt-get remove, but it didn't remove the two apparently dependencies, what should I do to clean them? |
| 17:52.21 | Tekno | sudo apt-get autoremove |
| 17:52.50 | enouf | could export IFS='\n ' or similar? but echo $IFS prior so you know what it was set to, if anything ;-) |
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| 17:53.15 | MoebiusX | tkoski: autoremove? |
| 17:53.21 | MoebiusX | Tekno: ^^^, sorry. |
| 17:53.25 | Tekno | yes |
| 17:53.32 | jeffd_ | What is the proper way to tell debian that the clock is set to localtime instead of UTC? |
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| 17:53.41 | enouf | MoebiusX: you need an MTA of somesort installed - cron and at and others depend on it |
| 17:53.47 | stew | jeffd_: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:53.53 | themill | GhostlyDeath, enouf: read has an option to change the delimiter which is safer than mucking with IFS. "help read" |
| 17:53.59 | enouf | MoebiusX: unless you're seriously customizing and want to modify .debs |
| 17:54.00 | viller | enouf arecord gives me "device or resource busy" |
| 17:54.18 | MoebiusX | Tekno: there is no autoremove, did you mean autoclean? |
| 17:54.25 | enouf | themill: nice - thanks! |
| 17:54.29 | MoebiusX | enouf: then I guess I should google for replacing Exim with Postfix. :) |
| 17:54.42 | stew | MoebiusX: just "aptitude install postfix" |
| 17:54.46 | enouf | MoebiusX: right :-P or .. see if ssmptp serves your needs |
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| 17:54.51 | jeffd_ | stew: thank you |
| 17:54.58 | MoebiusX | stew: thanks. |
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| 17:55.11 | enouf | apt-cache search MTA or something :-p |
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| 17:55.30 | RichardInfase | Hi anybody use debian for server with directadmin ? |
| 17:55.31 | themill | apt-cache showpkg mail-transport-agent |
| 17:55.32 | enouf | er .. s/ssmptp/ssmtp |
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| 17:55.47 | enouf | rewriting exact typos is painful :-p |
| 17:55.49 | MoebiusX | stew: and if I need Postfix from backports? |
| 17:56.06 | enouf | themill: nice - meta/debtag thing? |
| 17:56.08 | stew | MoebiusX: aptitude -t etch-backports install postfix |
| 17:56.15 | stew | enouf: virtual package thing |
| 17:56.22 | enouf | themill: just like x-window-manager ? |
| 17:56.25 | stew | yes |
| 17:56.27 | MoebiusX | stew: thanks. |
| 17:56.28 | enouf | ahh - thanks stew |
| 17:56.54 | themill | stew is my new puppet! But look, no wires! and I'm not talking out the side of my mouth either. |
| 17:57.15 | stew | g'day |
| 17:57.23 | themill | :) |
| 17:58.16 | enouf | maybe a ventriloquistsmite factoid is in order :-p |
| 17:58.48 | enouf | (once i spell it properly - and then, only those that can, may use it :-)) |
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| 17:59.33 | themill | enouf: it's like "bobbitt"... I normally have to faff about with dpkg for a few minutes to find the right spelling of that one. |
| 17:59.45 | enouf | yaya .. |
| 18:00.41 | themill | dpkg, stupid bot |
| 18:00.41 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 18:02.36 | MoebiusX | How can I stop and remove inetd superserver? I don't need it for anything, and its config file suggests no services using it either. |
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| 18:03.54 | newsense | aptitude remove openbsd-inetd |
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| 18:04.12 | newsense | aptitude purge openbsd-inetd if ya want to remove .configs |
| 18:04.17 | ilaiho | http://ilaiho.pastebin.com/m213f9f1a |
| 18:04.23 | smacnay | Is there a simple way to record what is coming through the speaker to a file? |
| 18:04.32 | stew | "aptitude remove '~Pinet-superserver'" :) |
| 18:04.47 | ilaiho | how long it will probably take |
| 18:05.03 | ilaiho | and will the fix ever be in lenny? |
| 18:05.07 | MoebiusX | newsense: danke. |
| 18:05.23 | ilaiho | ktechlab is quite important for me |
| 18:05.26 | stew | smacnay: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_pcm |
| 18:05.51 | enouf | MoebiusX: perfect time though to learn how to disable, yet keep, services - /msg dpkg update-rc.d ; /msg dpkg startup ; /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 18:05.56 | peleg | I am trying to install postfix, but I get "http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main postfix 2.3.8-2+b1 [ERROR] \\ 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80]" |
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| 18:06.31 | enouf | MoebiusX: ahh .. you did also say "... and remove... " my bad - still - read ;-) |
| 18:07.04 | stew | ilaiho: its not likely to make it to lenny since none of the bugs it is fixing are release critical |
| 18:07.16 | savvas | hi, I want to file a bug about a missing man report, but what severity should I use? important? |
| 18:07.23 | MoebiusX | enouf: reading, reading, thanks! |
| 18:07.33 | savvas | *a missing manual page |
| 18:07.49 | stew | savvas: yes |
| 18:07.55 | savvas | ok thanks |
| 18:08.05 | MoebiusX | enouf: yeah, I ended up just disabling it because removing it wants to install a replacement, so... :) |
| 18:08.17 | peleg | Is it possible that the repository "took a break"? |
| 18:08.25 | enouf | MoebiusX: heh .. |
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| 18:08.58 | stew | savvas: its technically a policy violation. policy violations are normally serious. However this particular violation we traditionally have 'let slide' and so make important, which is as severe as you can be while not being RC |
| 18:09.10 | enouf | MoebiusX: i happen to like and use rcconf, but note, sid version fixes some annoying issues, so if you're on etch, it'll likely not be avail to you |
| 18:09.57 | ilaiho | stew: and what about unstable? |
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| 18:10.51 | stew | ilaiho: it could probably be uploaded to unstable at any time. the maintainer may decide to upload to experimental instead of unstable becuase of the freeze (/msg dpkg slushy) |
| 18:11.23 | ilaiho | stew: is there somewhere a flow chart about bug fix routines? |
| 18:11.41 | \amethyst | who was a guy who did the dissertation on the Debian process |
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| 18:11.53 | stew | ilaiho: what do you mean? |
| 18:12.31 | \amethyst | s/a guy/the guy/ |
| 18:12.40 | ilaiho | stew: I think I have seen a flow chart about what will happen before bug fixes will appear in repository |
| 18:12.52 | ilaiho | but I am not sure |
| 18:13.20 | stew | hmm |
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| 18:15.19 | babuun | ilaiho: wat about this - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Debian-package-cycle.png |
| 18:15.33 | savvas | thanks stew :) |
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| 18:15.36 | Poil | hi |
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| 18:16.51 | ilaiho | babuun: thank you! |
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| 18:18.14 | themill | stew: doesn't policy say "should" have a man page not "must"? |
| 18:19.37 | stew | themill: ahh, you are right |
| 18:19.44 | stew | (12.1) |
| 18:19.46 | savvas | so, normal? |
| 18:20.01 | tarzeau | does debian support the USB iSub SUBWOOFER? |
| 18:20.10 | enouf | haha, what? |
| 18:20.23 | themill | stew: istr there was some talk about it being a release goal one day |
| 18:20.36 | themill | (and of course lintian complains) |
| 18:20.40 | enouf | BOOM ch'ka.. Thump! .. |
| 18:20.43 | tarzeau | enouf: http://lowendmac.com/mail/mb07/art/isub.jpg |
| 18:21.09 | enouf | nice ;-) |
| 18:21.12 | tarzeau | enouf: my apartment, wait no, the whole house is like during a earthquake |
| 18:21.14 | stew | savvas: sure. and note that you shouldn't worry TOO much about the severity, as the maintainer can always adjust it |
| 18:21.25 | savvas | ah that's good :) |
| 18:21.27 | stew | savvas: and, of course, big bonus points for including a patch with the missing manpage |
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| 18:21.32 | tarzeau | enouf: it's big, like 30 cm radius and 35 cm tall |
| 18:21.37 | savvas | stew: working on it hehe |
| 18:21.44 | stew | awesome |
| 18:21.55 | enouf | tarzeau: sweetness - i had no idea you were a lo'rider :-p |
| 18:22.00 | savvas | stew: the manpages are actually there, but linked to the wrong package |
| 18:22.21 | stew | savvas: which package(s) are we talking about? |
| 18:22.28 | savvas | stew: puppet and puppetmaster |
| 18:22.53 | enouf | tarzeau: unfortunately, i have no idea how to answer your query |
| 18:22.58 | savvas | http://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/pkg-puppet-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org.html#puppet |
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| 18:23.38 | tarzeau | enouf: i found something on google: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3661/cat/myprod |
| 18:24.25 | kris | Is there a good place for packaging advice? debian-mentors seems to be no more? |
| 18:24.29 | stew | savvas: they are there, just in the wrong section? (they are allin section 8, some should be in 1, some should be in 5)? |
| 18:24.41 | stew | kris: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:24.53 | stew | kris: or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 18:25.01 | savvas | stew: ah no, man pages for puppetca, puppetlast and puppetrun should be in debian/puppetmaster.manpages - but they are currently in debian/puppet.manpages |
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| 18:25.54 | oskie | help! I seem to have forgot the joe key combo to change syntax highlighting |
| 18:25.56 | savvas | stew: Unless those binaries (puppetca, puppetlast and puppetrun) are the ones that are put by mistake in puppetmaster package |
| 18:26.35 | stew | savvas: will, file away, the maintainer should know the right thing to do |
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| 18:26.53 | savvas | alrighty |
| 18:27.03 | stew | savvas: in this case, this is, to me, minor, since you can't install the binaries without the manpages, since puppetmaster depends on puppet |
| 18:27.46 | xerophyte | does anybody know which subversion package has subversion hook-scripts .. the subversion package does not have it just wondering if i am missing something |
| 18:28.23 | themill | xerophyte: apt-file search hook | grep subversion => subversion-tools |
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| 18:30.55 | tarzeau | enouf: my keyboard is vibrating |
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| 18:32.12 | xerophyte | themill: thx |
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| 18:34.24 | xerophyte | themill: what is your source.list i have etch .. and standard deb url .. do i have to add something to get the subversion-tools |
| 18:35.09 | enouf | tarzeau: haha |
| 18:35.13 | themill | judd versions subversion-tools |
| 18:35.14 | judd | themill: subversion-tools -- etch: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 etch-backports: 1.5.1dfsg1-1~bpo40+1 sid: 1.5.1dfsg1-1 lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 sid: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 experimental: 1.5.5dfsg1-1 |
| 18:35.24 | themill | xerophyte: nothing extra should be needed |
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| 18:36.32 | xerophyte | themill: thx |
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| 18:38.17 | batcoder-7 | how can i remove packages that are not being used anymore ? |
| 18:38.21 | batcoder-7 | old kernels for instance ? |
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| 18:38.41 | Eulex | batcoder-7, apt-get remove them. |
| 18:38.51 | batcoder-7 | isnt there like an autoremove ? |
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| 18:39.14 | Eulex | in lenny and newer there is autoremove I believe |
| 18:39.16 | batcoder-7 | people say aptitude is better but yet people still keep using apt-get ? |
| 18:39.34 | themill | different people... |
| 18:39.47 | batcoder-7 | is one truely better then the other ? |
| 18:39.56 | themill | dpkg: tell batcoder-7 about why aptitude |
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| 18:40.04 | newsense | it was hard for me to make the switch but i use aptitude instinctively now |
| 18:40.10 | Tekno | yes |
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| 18:40.26 | Tekno | apt-get is better |
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| 18:40.29 | Tekno | because |
| 18:40.37 | Tekno | it has SUPER COW POWERS |
| 18:40.49 | zorrolero | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=deborphan |
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| 18:41.24 | batcoder-7 | aptitue has no autoremove |
| 18:41.51 | newsense | yeah it does |
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| 18:41.58 | batcoder-7 | i dont see it? |
| 18:41.59 | Eulex | Tekno, it has super elephant in snake powers tho |
| 18:42.14 | newsense | no maybe not thought it did |
| 18:43.14 | batcoder-7 | autoremove still didnt get rid of my old kernels |
| 18:43.15 | batcoder-7 | but |
| 18:43.29 | batcoder-7 | it worked before when i was i think in ubuntu or something |
| 18:44.08 | Eulex | batcoder-7, depends on how you installed them. |
| 18:44.27 | batcoder-7 | Eulex, just a base intell and upgrade |
| 18:44.36 | batcoder-7 | install |
| 18:45.04 | Eulex | batcoder-7, hmm, not sure how they are installed them, you can always just remove them manually |
| 18:45.19 | batcoder-7 | doesnt really bother me too much heh |
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| 18:48.40 | smacnay | stew: thanks for the amixer tip but it didn't work - I will play around with my settings and see if there is anything needing to be tweaked here |
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| 18:53.10 | peleg | On postfix' configuration I get this question: "Where should mail for root go" ... The howtoforge tutorial I am reading ignores that question (says nothing about it). What should I write there? It says that the root must have mail redirected via an alias -- redirected to where? |
| 18:53.44 | jstein | how can i find missing gpg keys in aptitude? |
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| 18:54.36 | docsnuggles | peleg: enter your username to get root's emails |
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| 18:55.10 | peleg | docsnuggles, but I am the root. Can't I read the root's mail while being root? |
| 18:55.33 | newsense | peleg, not advisable use an email alias |
| 18:56.15 | peleg | newsense, what do you mean? Postfix says that this is a "must" |
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| 18:56.50 | newsense | peleg, a must to setup an alias for root ? |
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| 18:57.59 | docsnuggles | peleg: Just do it. You can change this later at any time. It is not good to work with the root account. Better use sudo, su ... |
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| 18:59.25 | peleg | newsense, the configuration says "The user root (and any other users with a uid of 0) must have mail redirected via an alias". |
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| 18:59.35 | newsense | peleg, than do it |
| 18:59.39 | peleg | docsnuggles, ok, so I'll put there my username. thanks |
| 19:00.00 | SQlvpapir | would it be possible that the powerdrain from my battery is so low acpi cant detect it? |
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| 19:04.30 | enouf | huh? |
| 19:04.34 | batcoder-7 | whats the easiest way to upgrade certain packages too sid ? |
| 19:04.53 | enouf | see /sys/power/../../*state or someting |
| 19:04.55 | stew | batcoder-7: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 19:04.58 | newsense | !pinning |
| 19:04.58 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 19:05.36 | newsense | batcoder-7, if your running etch youll want backports.org |
| 19:05.52 | enouf | newsense: depending, ... yes, but also a ssb might be better |
| 19:06.12 | newsense | ssb ? |
| 19:06.21 | enouf | !ssb |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:06.47 | enouf | newsense: simple sid backport - but one should be running lenny |
| 19:07.08 | SerajewelKS | ssb works on some stuff if you're running etch |
| 19:07.11 | batcoder-7 | newsense, i am in Lenny |
| 19:07.13 | SerajewelKS | but it's pretty hit-and-miss |
| 19:07.15 | newsense | enouf, thanks for clearing that up cant believe ive never heard of ssb with all the time i spend here haha |
| 19:07.17 | batcoder-7 | i would like a few packages to be sid |
| 19:07.56 | enouf | newsense: how long you've been around .. like what .. 5 days? :-P |
| 19:07.58 | enouf | hides |
| 19:08.41 | enouf | SerajewelKS: and many times, even the pkg dependencies need to be backported prior |
| 19:08.44 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: and i'd like an official Red Ryder carbine-action 200-shot range model air rifle |
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| 19:09.05 | SerajewelKS | enouf: nods, i've been through that mess |
| 19:09.11 | batcoder-7 | SerajewelKS, ? lol why do you want one of those |
| 19:09.31 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: if you don't get the reference then google it :P |
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| 19:09.54 | batcoder-7 | SerajewelKS, i get the reference but hey maybe a gorwn man still wants one |
| 19:10.20 | xota | hi! anybody with lenny? after last upgrade (this morning) I can't run compiz... the nvidia drivers are good, but glxinfo give me: Error: glXCreateContext failed |
| 19:10.47 | newsense | enouf, <enouf> newsense: how long you've been around .. like what .. 5 days? :-P (funny guy today huh or do you usually just ignore me haha) |
| 19:11.10 | enouf | both :-P |
| 19:11.15 | batcoder-7 | what is so good about that compiz shit ? |
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| 19:13.07 | newsense | compiz sucks |
| 19:13.13 | docsnuggles | batcoder-7: it eats your resources but you don't get thick |
| 19:13.14 | newsense | cool for about 10 minutes |
| 19:13.19 | newsense | no wait 3 minutes |
| 19:13.23 | rw83 | batcoder-7: well, it don't know either, but having GLX could be nice :-P |
| 19:13.48 | Craz | imo compiz-fusion has some useful options |
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| 19:13.54 | batcoder-7 | never tried it and dont plan too |
| 19:14.11 | newsense | its nice for visually impared individuals i guess |
| 19:14.23 | batcoder-7 | i like to switch windows and workspaces ith ease |
| 19:14.51 | rw83 | .oO(why even care if you can't help him anyway) |
| 19:14.56 | xnixan | hi guys, what is your opinion for a webhosting based company, which is better gnupanel or ehcp? |
| 19:14.57 | newsense | i would use it again if i had a better video card possible but the whole cube thang and snow .... are useless |
| 19:15.09 | newsense | windo animations can be nice and transparency |
| 19:15.21 | batcoder-7 | I'm good |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | you guys must have something better to talk about than jiggly windows :) |
| 19:15.29 | batcoder-7 | Never liked transparency either |
| 19:15.30 | newsense | man i think my batteries are almost dead |
| 19:15.35 | batcoder-7 | solid backgrounds are easiest to see |
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| 19:16.00 | devicenull | iceweasel and other apps keep crashing on me in lenny.. is this a known issue or did I screw something up? |
| 19:16.11 | newsense | i used to like to tail logfiles in a transparent xterm i |
| 19:16.14 | abrotman | devicenull: which other apps ? |
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| 19:16.39 | devicenull | uh, totem media player just crashed, pidgin did a while ago |
| 19:16.49 | devicenull | main problem is iceweasel though |
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| 19:17.03 | abrotman | gtk issues? |
| 19:17.10 | adama_ | devicenull: run one from console, does it throw an error when it crashes? |
| 19:17.12 | mike1o | hi im having trouble loading music to my new ipod nano with Rhythmbox 0.11.6 ... it crashes when I attempt to load songs |
| 19:17.35 | devicenull | I will run iceweasel from the console, but the crashes seem random so it could be awhile |
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| 19:18.09 | abrotman | memory problems? |
| 19:18.11 | batcoder-7 | if i install unstable packages then when the next version comes out and i update my whole thing will it break anything or will they carry over quite well ? |
| 19:18.18 | batcoder-7 | i would think they would carry over pretty well |
| 19:18.22 | abrotman | batcoder-7: if you have to ask, please don't |
| 19:18.38 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, i have been using pinning for a while i am just asking ;) |
| 19:18.40 | devicenull | I guess it's possible, the system runs fine in windows though |
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| 19:19.41 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, when the next version of testing comes out since i already have some things from the sid when sid becomes testing if it will integrate ok, i think it will since it most likely just checks package versions and if its already there then it wont mess with it i would think |
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| 19:20.44 | hoxu | batcoder-7, sid will never become testing, it's always unstable |
| 19:21.07 | batcoder-7 | hoxu, i got the naming mixed up |
| 19:21.25 | batcoder-7 | when that package becomes testing |
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| 19:21.48 | devicenull | is there a way to disable this bug-buddy applet? It kinda just locks up my computer for a few minutes while it runs |
| 19:21.56 | devicenull | I guess i can just uninstall it |
| 19:22.13 | stew | batcoder-7: when lenny releases, are you going to stay with lenny or are you going to stay with stable? |
| 19:22.28 | batcoder-7 | im 90 percent sure it will be fine, if i instal gimp 2.6 which is in sid, when it comes to testing or whatever i would think it just wouldnt upgrade it and just leave it alone right ? |
| 19:22.38 | batcoder-7 | i am in lenny now |
| 19:22.50 | batcoder-7 | when lenny releases i upgrade to testing whatever that is called |
| 19:23.05 | stew | batcoder-7: then yes, it should be fine |
| 19:23.18 | batcoder-7 | yea i think so as well |
| 19:23.30 | batcoder-7 | i think debain sid is pretty stable heh |
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| 19:24.44 | stew | batcoder-7: that will change rapidly once lenny is released |
| 19:24.59 | batcoder-7 | what will ? |
| 19:25.17 | stew | batcoder-7: testing/unstable will both become quite a bit more unstable |
| 19:25.20 | batcoder-7 | yolu mean it will get unstable quick ? |
| 19:25.26 | batcoder-7 | ah |
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| 19:25.56 | batcoder-7 | stew, testing should still sugffice as a desktop |
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| 19:26.24 | stew | batcoder-7: less so if you use gnome / kde |
| 19:26.38 | batcoder-7 | stew, XFCE ;) |
| 19:26.48 | multi_io | in CUPS, can I assign multiple names to a printer? |
| 19:27.11 | batcoder-7 | stew, and xfce 4.6 is already super stable its in beta3 or something |
| 19:27.59 | stew | batcoder-7: this has little to do with the quality of the upstream software, but with the difficulty of doing major transistions in debian |
| 19:28.16 | batcoder-7 | yea |
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| 19:34.14 | haoole | hi all, im facing a strange problem here. in a server that used to have ntp package installed ( wich i was told that can make hw clock runs faster or slower ) the hw clock is still running faster. i dont think its a hw problem since its happening in 3 server configured - probably wrong - by the same guy |
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| 19:34.52 | haoole | after i removed the package and installed ntpdate and sync with our internal ntp server |
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| 19:35.55 | haoole | its running much faster, like in 1 min it gets an 10secs offset to the ntp server |
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| 19:37.16 | haoole | how can i solve this? is there any configuration file where a time correction is stored? |
| 19:37.32 | wirser | well I got grub to install - had to reinstall from scratch to do it |
| 19:38.42 | wirser | seem that using the default host and domain name from my dsl provider caused some problems |
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| 19:42.22 | abrotman | haoole: AIUI, you hsould use the ntp package, not ntpdate |
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| 19:42.47 | Tuxist | hi |
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| 19:43.07 | Tuxist | i have problmes with my keberos server |
| 19:43.19 | Tuxist | something in my krb5.conf is wrong |
| 19:43.26 | Tuxist | http://pastebin.com/m17b7e568 |
| 19:43.34 | Tuxist | thats my krb5.conf |
| 19:43.53 | Tuxist | the oupout from kadmin http://pastebin.com/m33e74530 |
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| 19:44.04 | Tuxist | output |
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| 19:44.58 | Macjust | hello i have this error with amavis : /root/clamav-0.94.2/test/clam.tar.gz: lstat() failed. ERROR |
| 19:45.09 | Macjust | (clamav) |
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| 19:46.17 | abrotman | Tuxist: what package version is krb5-user ? |
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| 19:47.14 | Tuxist | 1.4.4 |
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| 19:51.55 | abrotman | Tuxist: there's a bit more than that |
| 19:52.12 | Tuxist | ok |
| 19:52.27 | Tuxist | i have create db with local user root/admin |
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| 19:52.34 | abrotman | i meant there's a bit more to the version number |
| 19:52.52 | simonrvn | Macjust: /msg dpkg ask |
| 19:53.13 | Tuxist | 1.4.4-7etch5 |
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| 19:55.19 | MoebiusX | How do I get vim syntax highlighting? Apparently I have to install specific version, or additional package? |
| 19:55.44 | enouf | vim-full? |
| 19:55.53 | enouf | you have vim-tiny only? |
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| 19:56.06 | maligor | or vim-nox |
| 19:56.12 | maligor | if you don't want the x11 stuff |
| 19:56.21 | Sniperjo | hi guys.. whats the best way to repartition my hard drive ? |
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| 19:57.03 | enouf | MoebiusX_: learn dpkg -l .. do; dpkg -l \*vim* for now |
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| 19:57.33 | gartt | What's the easiest way to see what's using the most memory? 'who' shows Mem: 903648k total, 893376k used, 10272k free, 411240k buffers |
| 19:57.48 | enouf | top/htop |
| 19:57.59 | enouf | use shift+m in top |
| 19:58.22 | enouf | but then you have the ures issue .. but nm that |
| 19:58.22 | stew | gartt: you realize that the above line is showing that you have lots of available memory, right? |
| 19:58.40 | MoebiusX_ | enouf: thanks, that shows I don't have vim I have vim-tiny. |
| 19:59.01 | gartt | stew: It is? 893376k used out of 903648k total? |
| 20:00.01 | enouf | you don't want ram sitting unused.. look at free output |
| 20:00.12 | gartt | enouf: Thanks |
| 20:00.25 | enouf | +/- buffers/cache |
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| 20:01.00 | enzo | hi |
| 20:01.00 | stew | gartt: yes, stuff in buffers / cache are availble for use by programs if needed, since it isn't currently needed, the linux kernel is finding useful stuff to do with the memory instead |
| 20:01.44 | enouf | but can it make me a French Toast deluxe though? :-P |
| 20:02.20 | gartt | stew: I see, but how do I know how much is "solidly" being used by running programs- apache, irssi, etc, etc rather than being made use of by the kernel? |
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| 20:02.46 | stew | gartt: look at the +/- buffers/cache line |
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| 20:03.49 | enouf | gartt: some more info for possible understanding http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ |
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| 20:04.37 | gartt | stew, enouf: Thanks a lot, I'll check out the link |
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| 20:07.05 | subsume | How do I set the hostname that appears when I SSH in? |
| 20:07.08 | Sniperjo | whats the best way to stop my brub from loading debian |
| 20:07.31 | tuxcrafter | a centos server at 212.99.226.16 is trying to bruteforce my root ssh account |
| 20:07.31 | stew | Sniperjo: change the default entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst to point to something other than debian |
| 20:07.44 | tuxcrafter | this is the second server this week trying to do ti |
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| 20:07.55 | tuxcrafter | can i do something back:-p |
| 20:08.03 | stew | tuxcrafter: that's odd, it should be hundreds trying, not only 2 |
| 20:08.05 | tuxcrafter | i will add his ip to my blockslist |
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| 20:08.36 | stew | tuxcrafter: you might look at fail2ban or denyhosts |
| 20:08.46 | ezguy | anyone familar with nslu2 unslung? |
| 20:09.07 | tuxcrafter | stew: it it normal that 100 servers are trying to brute force a server ? |
| 20:09.10 | Sniperjo | stew: to anything ? dont have what i want on there yet ! |
| 20:09.17 | enouf | Sniperjo: might also want to set the 'timeout 5' value in menu.lst to something other .. more time, like 20 or 30 |
| 20:09.17 | stew | tuxcrafter: yes |
| 20:09.23 | tuxcrafter | stew: hmm ok |
| 20:09.37 | tuxcrafter | i dont have my root account enabled so they never come in |
| 20:09.51 | stew | Sniperjo: if you don't want grub to load debian, what do you want it to do instead? |
| 20:09.58 | tuxcrafter | stew: is there something evil i can do back at them? |
| 20:10.09 | enouf | make me a French Toast deluxe? :-P |
| 20:10.19 | Sniperjo | stew: just want it to sotp loading debian so i can load up another disk |
| 20:10.45 | enouf | Sniperjo: do you know what a bootloader is and does? |
| 20:10.51 | stew | tuxcrafter: i'd not recommend being evil. if you want to do something good, you can lookup the netblock owner by running "whois their.ip.add.ress" and send email to the abuse contact for the netblock owner reporting the attempted abuse |
| 20:11.13 | stew | Sniperjo: you would typically do that in your bios |
| 20:11.35 | tuxcrafter | stew: did the mailing to with some hackers already |
| 20:11.38 | tuxcrafter | never got an anser |
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| 20:11.54 | tuxcrafter | always sent the log file with the mail as prove and signed the mails |
| 20:11.57 | Sniperjo | stew: changed bios to boot from cd.. it does then while the cd is loading up the grub comes in and loads debian |
| 20:12.16 | stew | Sniperjo: it sounds like the cd isn't bootable |
| 20:12.19 | enouf | a Debian Installer CD? |
| 20:12.30 | Sniperjo | na you dont want to know what kinda cd ! |
| 20:12.31 | enouf | heh .. yeah, or that |
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| 20:13.07 | enouf | well, it would be isolinux anyway at that point, not grub |
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| 20:18.05 | tuxcrafter | stew: thanks for the fail2ban tip |
| 20:18.16 | tuxcrafter | it kicked in directly was nice to see :-p |
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| 20:21.19 | Sniperjo | stew: what would happen if i removed the menu.lst ? |
| 20:21.41 | tnek | If I have installed Tomcat 5.5 by apt-get install tomcat5.5 .. Where should I then point CATALINA_HOME? (It's not set, but I think it should be.) |
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| 20:22.32 | sputnick__ | hi there |
| 20:23.07 | sputnick__ | who have links or doc about vmware-package ? don't understand what it does... "The package is meant to aid a local admin to roll out VMware products to his systems by means of the packaging system." |
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| 20:30.59 | enouf | tnek: see if there's an update-alternatives mechanism for it? |
| 20:31.41 | tnek | enouf: update-alternatives: unknown argument `tomcat5.5' |
| 20:31.42 | enouf | tnek: or perhaps even a dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname> and set it then? Find the docs, read any/all Debian.README type files |
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| 20:32.10 | enouf | well -- pass it --list or --config , or maybe it's update-tomcat-alternatives? |
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| 20:32.17 | enouf | like the java pkgs have |
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| 20:32.55 | stew | Sniperjo: grub would fail to work at all, which isn't what you want. you just want to tell your bios to try to boot from the cd before trying to boot the HD with grub |
| 20:33.00 | enouf | dpkg -L tomcat5.5 | grep doc |
| 20:33.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching tomcat5.5 | grep doc |
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| 20:33.22 | tnek | enouf: Hm, I'm not that good at Linux. :-) dpkg-reconfigure stops and starts the servlet engine, but no interaction opportunity there. |
| 20:33.29 | stew | Sniperjo: if you just want to boot from a cd, there should be no reason to change anything about grub, since grub shouldn't be involved in this |
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| 20:34.00 | enouf | tnek: install configure-debian, then run it with -l, it'll show you all pkgs avail to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:34.00 | sputnick__ | !blank > sputnick |
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| 20:34.18 | sputnick__ | !wp > sputnick__ |
| 20:34.18 | dpkg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/> sputnick__ |
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| 20:34.26 | peleg | For postfix configuration: how do I know what is my FQDN for "myhostname" -- is it yogiley.org, or debi.yogiley.org? running hostname gives debi, but my main domain is yogiley.org |
| 20:34.32 | sputnick__ | sh?t, wrong channel :D |
| 20:34.43 | sputnick__ | sorry |
| 20:35.18 | enouf | tnek: most documentation goes into /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
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| 20:35.34 | nutshell42 | anyone any tips on how I can access old pata disks with more than 15 partitions, i.e. bypassing libata |
| 20:36.04 | enouf | nutshell42: 15 partitions is an issue? |
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| 20:36.21 | Sniperjo | stew: FIrst boot device : cd, all the others are disabled.. It says "boot from cd" press any key to continue.. then grub loads up ! |
| 20:36.27 | enouf | nutshell42: if so, they're scsi - or, is libata employing some scsi barriers? |
| 20:36.42 | stew | Sniperjo: did you press a key? |
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| 20:36.48 | tnek | enouf: Ah.. :-) I'm trying the stuff you're suggestion. That's why I was away a bit... To be honest, I do run Ubuntu.. But since it's a Debian derivate and the #ubuntu channel feels like the youtube comments I came here. :-) |
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| 20:36.55 | enouf | nutshell42: you can either a) boot an older kernel or b) boot with a libata param |
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| 20:37.03 | stew | Sniperjo: it sounds like everything is setup correctly to me |
| 20:37.03 | Sniperjo | stew: i do.. .but its usb keyboard.. do you think perhaps its not laoded intime ? |
| 20:37.31 | stew | Sniperjo: are you able to change bios settings with the usb keyboard? |
| 20:37.44 | enouf | tnek: so sorry - but you need to go back to #ubuntu - this is #debian, we don't provide end user support for anything other than Debian here |
| 20:37.45 | Sniperjo | stew: yea.. so guess its not that :S |
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| 20:38.36 | tnek | enouf: Well I'm still going to try what you wrote.. I understand the policy. But technically shouldn't they be very similar? |
| 20:38.46 | Sniperjo | stew: any ideas ? |
| 20:39.05 | enouf | tnek: i gave you the technical answer ;-) /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 20:39.08 | stew | Sniperjo: try a different cd. try this cd in a different machine |
| 20:39.27 | Sniperjo | stew: tried to diffrent ones, same effect |
| 20:39.30 | nutshell42 | enouf: libata has the 15 limit for all disks, pata and sata. what would be the parameter b). I need both sata (new disks) and pata (old ones). |
| 20:39.41 | JarJarBinks | hi. I asked a few days ago how you could change partition table on a disk, and avoid rebooting the system. FYI the answer is to apt-get parted and run partprobe /dev/XXX |
| 20:39.47 | enouf | nutshell42: depends on kernel versions |
| 20:40.04 | nutshell42 | enouf: is evms still in sid or just in stable? evms could iirc bypass the kernel |
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| 20:40.21 | nutshell42 | and for current kernel versions it would be? |
| 20:40.40 | nutshell42 | or should i google for it? if so what does the parameter do? |
| 20:41.03 | nutshell42 | force the kernel to use libpata? (or whatever it was called) |
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| 20:41.26 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt#L1044 |
| 20:42.24 | iwan | how to install only openvpn 2.1 from testing into my etch system ? |
| 20:42.47 | Sniperjo | stew: once grub loader comes on i cant change my selection.. so maybe keyboard isnt working ? |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | iwan: /msg dpkg ssb .. if you're brave :) |
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| 20:43.28 | abrotman | iwan: given that it has some pretty low level dependencies, it may not work so well |
| 20:43.40 | enouf | take a look at this as well nutshell42 http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/ide/ide.txt notice the kernel version, and find yours if you can -- also, see /Documentation/devices.txt at the top if you need to know how to pass options to modules, or built-in ones |
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| 20:44.13 | enouf | i'm not sure about evms |
| 20:44.17 | iwan | backports.org dose not list it any more |
| 20:44.20 | nutshell42 | thx alot |
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| 20:44.35 | enouf | nutshell42: one more; man bootparam |
| 20:44.35 | nutshell42 | but i don't think the the libata.force from the first link can help me |
| 20:44.37 | stew | Sniperjo: i don't know. just understand that this problem doesn't actually have anything to do with grub |
| 20:44.42 | stew | Sniperjo: you might ask ##hardware |
| 20:44.54 | Sniperjo | stew: thanks |
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| 20:46.49 | bolt | is there some kind of premade netboot thingy which has tar? i have network booting set up here, but I need something to boot which can create partitions and untar the backup of my other harddrive. (only netboot, no floppy or cdrom on this laptop) |
| 20:47.51 | bolt | like, a debian livecd i can netboot or something |
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| 20:48.12 | Sniperjo | stew: if i screw up the grub list, you dont think it will make any differance ? |
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| 20:48.35 | enouf | nutshell42: maybe combined with the ide-pci-generic.all-generic-ide option |
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| 20:50.11 | stew | Sniperjo: i don't think that any amount of screwing with grub is going to affect the fact that you fail to boot from a cd before grub is even started |
| 20:50.21 | enouf | nutshell42: you'll likely want to ensure you load ide-generic and ide-disk , and blacklist the usual libata ones it now uses |
| 20:50.22 | iwan | i may build myself opensvn from source. can you point my to a tutorial how to crate debs froms source ? |
| 20:51.12 | enouf | nutshell42: have you tried using whatever pata_xxxxx equivalent module? Put the SATA ports in "Standard IDE mode" in the BIOS? |
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| 20:52.21 | simonrvn | if he doesn't have one you can't. of course.... |
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| 20:53.25 | enouf | Sniperjo: i know stew asked, but i don't think you answered, is that a Bootable CDROM? |
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| 20:54.05 | stew | enouf: we don't want to know what it is :) |
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| 20:54.44 | enouf | Sniperjo: have you tried placing your "other" HDD as 1st in the Boot Order? especially the Boot bus order menu if any? ie; PCI Controller Card, Network, Removable Media, USB, etc |
| 20:54.51 | enouf | stew: heh |
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| 20:55.27 | enouf | Strog_: it's very possible the warez ISO was burned improperly :-P |
| 20:55.36 | enouf | er stew , not Strog_ |
| 20:56.15 | bolt | nevermind. found sysresccd.org. not debian, but it can boot and has tar. guess i'll try that |
| 20:56.17 | stew | enouf: right. i was picturing a window ME install cd |
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| 20:56.35 | enouf | Since Debian is starting, run file -s /dev/cdrom on that sucker :-P |
| 20:56.46 | enouf | stew: you and i think alike sometimes :-P |
| 20:56.57 | Sniperjo | enouf: well i am trying to wack xp on it.. so i would of thought the cd was ok ! |
| 20:57.18 | enouf | Sniperjo: an OEM XP CD? does that CD boot on other systems? |
| 20:57.40 | enouf | omg .. dejavu again |
| 20:57.53 | enouf | were you not here like a year ago with the same issue? :-p |
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| 20:59.48 | enouf | nutshell42: would you mind pointing me to any info you have about this 15 partition libata limitation? |
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| 21:00.54 | enouf | i bet the changelogs might go something like this * "Who needs more than 15 partitions anyway in this day and age ..... and if they need more, tell them to use LVM" |
| 21:01.17 | simonrvn | *cough* mac ppc *cough* |
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| 21:01.28 | simonrvn | gonna tell them to use lvm? |
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| 21:01.34 | simonrvn | ,.|.. |
| 21:01.56 | simonrvn | that's what i'd say |
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| 21:02.39 | Sniperjo | enouf: was checking on another computer.. its a proper xp cd.. out of box |
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| 21:03.06 | DCCuser | hey, anyone know a good file cataloger? |
| 21:03.19 | enouf | and? |
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| 21:04.30 | enouf | simonrvn: well mac users are a secondary agenda anyways .. so no loss there |
| 21:04.33 | enouf | runs |
| 21:05.15 | acu | hey guys I have apache2 on lenny - installed php5 - however when I click on a file with php extension it wants to save it - what should I do ? |
| 21:05.23 | enouf | simonrvn: hrm .. no GPT on ppc? that's almost similar to how LVM is, in a weird way |
| 21:05.28 | Sniperjo | enouf: windows boots up if i take of HDD from boot order |
| 21:05.36 | abrotman | acu: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 21:05.56 | enouf | Sniperjo: CD or HDD .. and on another PC or the problem one? |
| 21:06.02 | acu | abrotman: yes - |
| 21:06.10 | enouf | Sniperjo: stop being vague p[lease |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | acu: a2enmod php5 ? restart apache |
| 21:06.36 | Sniperjo | enouf: sorry trying not to.. 2nd computer, replaced hd with cdrom in boot order.. and it loads |
| 21:06.48 | simonrvn | enouf: no, that's true. |
| 21:07.06 | acu | abrotman: did that |
| 21:07.07 | enouf | ok, that pc is what CPU about? and the problem one is? |
| 21:07.17 | enouf | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 21:07.35 | Sniperjo | enouf: what cpu ? as in speed ? |
| 21:08.01 | enouf | Sniperjo: i'm talikng Year .. like an AMD64 3000+ or an Intel 486 DS-X |
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| 21:08.22 | enouf | ballpark Sniperjo |
| 21:08.23 | Sniperjo | enouf: both amd's 2800+ working one.. and 2400 |
| 21:08.27 | enouf | old oldoldold? |
| 21:08.31 | enouf | ok |
| 21:09.00 | enouf | Semprons too eh? heh .. anyways .. erm ... so Mainboards of the same era |
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| 21:09.05 | jamon | acu: using iceweasel? try another browser, some funny cache stuff occurs sometimes |
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| 21:09.24 | jamon | acu: and check your apache logs |
| 21:09.38 | abrotman | acu: clear browser cache and restart browser and try again |
| 21:09.41 | enouf | Sniperjo: well, whatever the issue, seems your BIOS settings need some more atttention, read the PDF for your mainboard |
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| 21:10.57 | inad923 | hello |
| 21:12.00 | acu | did both - I am trying to install moodle- I have the posgresql database ready but this php is not interpreted properly - I might have missed some modules |
| 21:12.01 | Sniperjo | enouf: ok will do.. just tell me if this sounds OK , First Boot device " CDROM, 2nd and 3rd Disabled. SATA & SCSI boot order : SATA ,SCSI |
| 21:12.14 | acu | is it possible that php5 to be different ? |
| 21:12.15 | abrotman | acu: clear browser cache and restart browser and try again |
| 21:12.23 | inad923 | Id like to start a gui app under kde on debian Ive already allowed root login in kdmrc but it drops cannot connect to X server stuff. Could someone help me out what else should be allowed for this? |
| 21:12.41 | inad923 | Id like to start a gui app as root* |
| 21:13.16 | enouf | Sniperjo: sure, but you might also flop the sata/scsi order, not sure if your cdrom controller is using an scsi interface, or sata, seeing as it's an option |
| 21:13.58 | acu | inad: you do not need to login as root - just login as normal user - get the root shell - and type the name of the application - it will start as root |
| 21:14.08 | ajuonline | how do I mount NTFS in Rw mode? |
| 21:14.12 | inad923 | thats what I do |
| 21:14.27 | inad923 | but it drops the cannot connect to X server error for me |
| 21:14.48 | inad923 | I logged in as a regular user su-d on console and this is what happens |
| 21:15.10 | Tramp | !tell ajuonline about ntfsrw |
| 21:15.12 | Sniperjo | enouf: when it comes to the GRUB interface i cant select anything.. could be related you think ? |
| 21:15.12 | acu | abrotman and jamon: tried clear the cache still the same problem |
| 21:15.22 | abrotman | acu: try another browser |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | acu: is it a public system? |
| 21:15.38 | JyZyXEL | dpkg-deb: unable to create `../linux-image-2.6.28-erno-i386_20090114_i386.deb': Permission denied |
| 21:15.42 | JyZyXEL | haha no way |
| 21:16.02 | enouf | Sniperjo: if there's only one entry, there's nothing to select |
| 21:16.15 | enouf | Sniperjo: so no |
| 21:16.26 | Sniperjo | enouf: there are two, debian normal and recovery mode |
| 21:16.37 | enouf | Sniperjo: and? you can select either? |
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| 21:16.54 | Sniperjo | enouf: no i cant move to select either.. so it boots first one after time out |
| 21:16.56 | enouf | Sniperjo: that means you've hit that USB keyboard bug in grub |
| 21:17.19 | enouf | Enable legacy USB in the BIOS -- or it's another weirdo issue |
| 21:17.26 | enouf | use a ps/2 and forget about it ;-) |
| 21:17.41 | enouf | i use usb -> ps/2 adapters with my usb keys and mouse |
| 21:17.45 | acu | abrotman: no is mine - tried konqueror - it gives me the code |
| 21:17.49 | Sniperjo | enouf: would but they alll been thrown away !! bad times |
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| 21:18.11 | oOarthurOo | Hi there... I'm using Debian Lenny and running the gnome desktop (though I built it up myself, I didn't just install the desktop package) and I'm trying to connect to a shared printer on the home network. The printer is shared by a windows vista computer. I have configured windows XP computers to print to the shared printer, but I can't do the same on my own laptop. |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | acu: on lenny? |
| 21:18.28 | enouf | Sniperjo: still, if you're booting into CD properly, grub should never come up |
| 21:18.28 | acu | yes |
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| 21:18.59 | dazjorz | Just a little question - I'm about to try picking up an old died project called "debian-cygwin" for getting a Debian port for Cygwin. For that, I'm going to try compiling dpkg and apt-get into Debian first, etc. Is there some help available on this, and how will I store my first results? (e.g. dpkg .deb's) - I could store them on Sourceforge, or does the Debian project already have solutions for this? |
| 21:18.59 | JyZyXEL | ohman compiling this kernel gives a fuckload of module errors |
| 21:19.14 | dazjorz | s/little/larger than I expected/ |
| 21:19.18 | Sniperjo | enouf: hmm i see.. just trying to list all the problems |
| 21:19.25 | enouf | Sniperjo: consider resetting or reflashing your BIOS, if you cannot figure what's wrong |
| 21:19.42 | abrotman | acu: pastebin `dpkg -l *php*` |
| 21:19.46 | JyZyXEL | you cannot use the nvidia drivers package with custom kernel? |
| 21:19.46 | enouf | Sniperjo: 1st -> pdf manual :-P |
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| 21:20.04 | enouf | Sniperjo: you have no other bootable CDs to test with? |
| 21:20.07 | Sniperjo | enouf: considered !! i just want erase the mofo and start again.. its doing my nut ! |
| 21:20.14 | acu | abrotman: just a sec - I am rebooting that system :) |
| 21:20.14 | oOarthurOo | I try to add a new printer, via SMB share, but when browsing for new printers nothing shows up. Probably related to this is that the shared folders on the computer don't show up either. Does samba work with vista? |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | dazjorz: have you seen the doctor lately? :) |
| 21:20.40 | abrotman | dazjorz: you're trying to compile them in cygwin ? |
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| 21:21.51 | acu | mariabis |
| 21:21.53 | dazjorz | abrotman: yeah, bad idea? :P |
| 21:21.56 | enouf | abrotman: `dpkg -l *php*` --> `dpkg -l \*php*` ? |
| 21:22.05 | blauzahl-laptop | how can i tell if i just managed to upgrade from lenny to sid or not? |
| 21:22.20 | asg | blauzahl-laptop: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 21:22.30 | blauzahl-laptop | thanks |
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| 21:24.50 | theholyduck | hmm. when is unstable getting a newer kernel? |
| 21:25.42 | abrotman | enouf: really shouldn't matter unless something is named with a php in that folder |
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| 21:25.46 | asg | theholyduck: /msg dpkg incoming |
| 21:25.49 | abrotman | theholyduck: after lenny releases very likely |
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| 21:26.04 | theholyduck | :( |
| 21:26.09 | abrotman | make your own |
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| 21:26.33 | theholyduck | abrotman, well the nice thing about the standard debian kernels is that i can just use module-assistant for all module related work. |
| 21:26.46 | theholyduck | but that doesnt work on the kernel trunk rep thingy |
| 21:27.00 | dazjorz | abrotman: what's bad about compiling them for cygwin? |
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| 21:27.39 | dazjorz | the only thing I haven't figured out yet is how libc etc will function on Cygwin, because it has a C library that comes with it |
| 21:27.47 | dazjorz | an abstraction layer between the Linux and the Win32 API |
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| 21:29.09 | dazjorz | and why the o_O does http://packages.debian.org/sid/dpkg say dpkg Depends on hurd? |
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| 21:30.02 | JyZyXEL | !kernel |
| 21:30.03 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.28, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc1-git4, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 21:30.04 | dazjorz | oh god, compiling made sh crash |
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| 21:30.27 | JyZyXEL | wtf those arent the debian kernels |
| 21:30.32 | JyZyXEL | !debian_kernel |
| 21:30.56 | tuxmm | hello... I'd like to run a script early in the shutdown process. the script is already in /etc/init.d ... what should I do next? |
| 21:30.58 | JyZyXEL | !debian-kernel |
| 21:30.59 | thc | 2.6.28? |
| 21:31.01 | dpkg | debian-kernel is probably Making a kernel The Debian Way, http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html if you have gotten (is that a word) a kernel module package you're best following that, basically, apt-get install kernel-source-foo && unpack && ln -s kernel-dir-foo linux && cd linux && make menuconfig && make-kpkg kernel_image && make-kpkg modules_image && dpkg -i ../kernel-image-foo.deb && reboot |
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| 21:33.13 | jeward_ | I just updated bin9 on my etch server and now it won't start. How do I fix it? |
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| 21:33.24 | asg | tuxmm: man update-rc.d |
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| 21:34.25 | JyZyXEL | && ln -s kernel-dir-foo linux && cd linux |
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| 21:34.29 | tuxmm | asg, I tried update-rc.d 03 06 (03 meaning "do it in the third step") but I get some complaints. |
| 21:34.30 | JyZyXEL | haha what the heck is the point in that |
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| 21:34.40 | wam | Hi, I remember there was a boot-image for intel network cards which don't support iscsi to emulate iscsi (among other protocols) somehow. I can't remember the name... Any hints? |
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| 21:34.55 | jeward_ | bind9. |
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| 21:35.16 | thc | This irssi theme is going to make me vomit. |
| 21:35.20 | thc | asg: what's up dude, long time |
| 21:35.28 | asg | tuxmm: what kind of complaints? |
| 21:35.29 | enouf | JyZyXEL: it's likely so a symlink in /usr/src/linux is made |
| 21:35.39 | enouf | s/a/the |
| 21:35.41 | asg | thc: not much, you doing okay? |
| 21:35.54 | enouf | s/in// |
| 21:35.56 | thc | asg: yeah man, how's everything over there |
| 21:36.00 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't say you have to unpack it to /usr/src |
| 21:36.01 | asg | thc: just fine |
| 21:36.10 | JyZyXEL | and i thought in deabian you shouldn't even do that |
| 21:36.13 | enouf | then wherever you're building |
| 21:36.17 | enouf | who cares |
| 21:36.23 | enouf | you shouldn't |
| 21:36.23 | tuxmm | asg, update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 21:36.39 | JyZyXEL | i just always get the sources in /root/ |
| 21:36.49 | enouf | and not just in debian - linus will call you a buffoon |
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| 21:37.04 | asg | tuxmm: don't use leading zeros |
| 21:37.08 | thc | asg: I just installed Etch on an older server and it's picking up usb0 and eth0 as network interfaces, can I get it to ignore usb0? |
| 21:37.10 | enouf | i never do that - i build as a user |
| 21:37.18 | tuxmm | asg, will try it right away |
| 21:37.19 | \amethyst | FHS says " |
| 21:37.19 | enouf | and when needed, use fakeroor |
| 21:37.20 | \amethyst | Generally, source should not be built within this hierarchy." |
| 21:37.24 | thc | asg: usb0 is some host-to-host bridge that I never use |
| 21:37.25 | enouf | er fakeroot |
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| 21:38.45 | tuxmm | asg, this is what I enter and still the same error: update-rc.d umount-ves start 3 0 (I want it to have S03 and to run on shutdown) |
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| 21:38.56 | asg | thc: probably with some udev hackage |
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| 21:39.12 | JyZyXEL | doesn't the bot have a command to see the current debian kernels |
| 21:40.14 | \amethyst | !kernel |
| 21:40.16 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.28, prepatch: 2.6.29-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.29-rc1-git4, 2.4: 2.4.37, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.28-rc2-mm1 |
| 21:40.26 | JyZyXEL | no those arent them |
| 21:40.27 | \amethyst | those aren't the Debian kernels, though |
| 21:40.48 | JyZyXEL | im doing the 2.6.26-1-openvz-686 on lenny |
| 21:41.21 | asg | tuxmm: you could also just 'ln -s' the /etc/init.d/<script> to /etc/rcX.d/K03-<script> (where rcX.d is the runlevel you want in this case) |
| 21:42.15 | nutshell42 | enouf: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=397816 seems to be the closest I've seen to a solution (problem is that kpartx is broken here, it does 17 partitions, I need 19 for my old drive) |
| 21:42.18 | tuxmm | asg, yeah, you're right. someone else suggested that too, and I'm giving it a try right now. Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:42.48 | nutshell42 | enouf: if you google for linux "more than 15 partitions" you're gonna find a lot of explanations |
| 21:42.54 | asg | tuxmm: all update-rc.d does is create the symlinks. If you know which one you want in what runlevel you want, that's just as easy. |
| 21:42.55 | lightcap | I can't su to a user that doesn't have a login shell right? |
| 21:43.01 | lightcap | even using su -c |
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| 21:43.40 | peleg_ | Do you know what is the country code of UK? well -- is it uk or gb? (for ssl certification request) |
| 21:43.59 | tuxmm | asg, I'm going to shutdown now to see if it works. thanks again. |
| 21:44.16 | nutshell42 | enouf: the short version is that they replaced the old IDE driver with libata and with that they lowered the partition limit from 63 to 15 (that's a general limitation of SCSI and libata treats even old pata devices as sata which uses a variation of the scsi protocol) |
| 21:44.19 | asg | tuxmm: you're welcome |
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| 21:45.07 | lightcap | I'm trying to write a script that will start up an activemessaging daemon that runs as a system user and not root... |
| 21:45.29 | nutshell42 | enouf: so suddenly your old partition scheme could become unusable. If MS tried "!§$%& like this they would've been teared apart but because this is linux the most you can expect is a "why would you need more than 15 partitions". |
| 21:45.40 | nutshell42 | enouf: thanks for your efforts and patience =) |
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| 21:46.49 | george_xtr | hi guys, is package qgis 1.0.0 available for etch? |
| 21:47.25 | asg | !info qgis etch |
| 21:47.48 | dpkg | qgis: (Geographic Information System (GIS)), section science, is extra. Version: 0.7.4-5 (etch), Packaged size: 7409 kB, Installed size: 19912 kB |
| 21:48.05 | george_xtr | asg, I need version 1.0.0 |
| 21:48.06 | asg | george_xtr: no, unless it has been backported (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 21:48.42 | asg | george_xtr: if it hasn't, either backport from testing or sid (if 1.0 exists) or compile from source |
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| 21:49.07 | abrotman | judd: versions qgis |
| 21:49.07 | judd | abrotman: qgis -- etch: 0.7.4-5 |
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| 21:50.20 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck i compile the same kernel im running with the configs im running |
| 21:50.30 | JyZyXEL | and i get asked questions about (NEW) |
| 21:50.34 | JyZyXEL | that can't be possible |
| 21:51.07 | enouf | welcome nutshell42, but then that means this info needs some serious updating http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/devices.txt#L195 |
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| 21:51.19 | JyZyXEL | this is bullshit |
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| 21:52.56 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i thiink you've ranted about that before here, and many of us tried to help - but .. have you reviewed waht the make menuconfig scripts do? how they work? i've never had that issue, .. it's obviously cannot find the orig .config, or it thinks it's an old onw |
| 21:52.58 | enouf | one |
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| 21:53.26 | JyZyXEL | enouf i loaded in the menuconfig from /boot/ |
| 21:53.44 | eyeris | I get an "client denied by server configuration" error in my error.log for my userdir. In my <Directory /home/*/public_html> block I have "Allow from all" and "Options +Indexes". The only user disabled via "UserDir disabled" is root. What else can I check? |
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| 21:54.04 | JyZyXEL | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-2.6.26-1-openvz-686 |
| 21:54.08 | enouf | JyZyXEL: and? you ran make oldconfig after renaming that to .config in the /src dir? |
| 21:54.09 | JyZyXEL | i think this is the kernel im running |
| 21:54.12 | JyZyXEL | but i don't know |
| 21:54.19 | enouf | you just said you build in /root/ ? |
| 21:54.23 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 21:54.40 | JyZyXEL | i got the linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 21:54.41 | enouf | that's not a kernel version |
| 21:54.43 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: uname -a? |
| 21:55.04 | JyZyXEL | Linux foobar 2.6.26-1-openvz-686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 8 21:19:32 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:55.48 | JyZyXEL | so i thought the package "linux-source-2.6.26" would be excactly this kernel |
| 21:56.20 | enouf | er. .. there are special applied debian patches from other pkgs likely |
| 21:56.40 | asg | JyZyXEL: not likely since openvz is not a standard kernel component |
| 21:56.40 | enouf | like linux-patch-2.6.26-xxx |
| 21:56.45 | enouf | right |
| 21:56.54 | JyZyXEL | well i just hold my enter key at the bottom for the questions |
| 21:57.01 | enouf | same with older XEN .. and even vserver-xen combos |
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| 22:00.39 | JyZyXEL | all the kernel modules installed from apt-get had an error when i tried to make the 2.6.28 kernel with kpkg |
| 22:00.58 | JyZyXEL | like webcam and nvidia modules |
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| 22:01.22 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: yes, you have to use module-assistant to rebuilt the modules against the new kernel |
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| 22:01.38 | JyZyXEL | well im gonna make the same kernel but with different config |
| 22:01.50 | \amethyst | that counts as a new kernel |
| 22:01.52 | JyZyXEL | so i shouldn't have to rebuild anything |
| 22:02.04 | JyZyXEL | well god damnit why doesn't the dpkg bot have anything about this |
| 22:02.22 | JyZyXEL | i don't know how to recompile the modules to newer kernel |
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| 22:02.31 | \amethyst | m-a a-i modulename |
| 22:02.43 | wam | How can I map a iscsi lun to a fixed device file (i.e. not just the next /dev/sd*)? |
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| 22:03.05 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: if it's not the currently-running kernel, then m-a -l kernelversion a-i |
| 22:03.54 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: first you'll need to install the -headers package that make-kpkg generated |
| 22:04.01 | abrotman | wam: udev rules |
| 22:04.13 | asg | abrotman: cleveland rocks |
| 22:04.21 | wam | abrotman: i guessed it but I wouldn't have believed it. thanks |
| 22:04.23 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't generate |
| 22:04.25 | JyZyXEL | it just errors |
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| 22:04.34 | abrotman | asg: you want a mimi? |
| 22:04.39 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: make-kpkg errors? |
| 22:04.43 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: what's the error? |
| 22:04.54 | JyZyXEL | ill pastebin it |
| 22:05.14 | asg | abrotman: I'll stick with the buzz beer |
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| 22:05.19 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:05.58 | Eulex | asg, debian/rules |
| 22:06.08 | J-roen | Hi all. I installed the Etch netinst on a new machine. The ethernet card didn't work so now I have a minimal installation. I managed to install the driver of the ethernet card. Is it possible to continue with the regular installation of Etch? |
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| 22:06.40 | Eulex | J-roen, run tasksel to install tasks of packages |
| 22:06.46 | S-i-A | ! tell shwan about debian |
| 22:07.05 | S-i-A | ! tell shwan about linux |
| 22:07.16 | Eulex | S-i-A, ? |
| 22:07.50 | thc | I want a Yuengling. |
| 22:07.57 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst http://pastebin.com/m2de687c7 |
| 22:08.05 | shwan | hi all |
| 22:08.10 | asg | thc: fortunately, they are readily available |
| 22:08.11 | S-i-A | Eulex: he is my friend and is newb in IRC will give him same infos |
| 22:08.13 | J-roen | Eulex: Thanks, but when I select to manually install packages, aptitude is just opened. Doesn't the Etch installer contain extra functionality for a default Gnome environment etc.? |
| 22:08.20 | S-i-A | shwan: welcome |
| 22:08.33 | thc | asg: not on the West coast, I've looked for it |
| 22:08.34 | shwan | thanx sia |
| 22:09.06 | asg | thc: have abrotman send you some |
| 22:09.13 | thc | asg: I don't trust him |
| 22:09.32 | thc | !kingsleysmite abrotman |
| 22:09.32 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer abrotman: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.278164757173251! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 22:09.41 | sputnick__ | how can I modify the aptitude dependances ? "aptitude install filelight" try to remove "wlassistant" I had installed yesterday with a hack ( need kde3, and I'm on kde4 ) |
| 22:09.46 | asg | thc: I'll vouch for him |
| 22:09.54 | dmoerner_ | sputnick__: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 22:10.15 | JyZyXEL | what a fucking mess |
| 22:10.18 | thc | asg: cool but if he rips me off I'm going to steal your VW Beetle |
| 22:10.41 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: that sounds like a bug in the packaging of the nvidia drivers: fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported |
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| 22:10.51 | Eulex | J-roen, if you select the desktop task it would install gnome. if you tell it you want to manually choose packages, it will let you manually choose packages. |
| 22:11.30 | JyZyXEL | thats so stupid |
| 22:11.48 | J-roen | Eulex: tasksel only displays two options: 1) laptop and 2) manual installation of packages. |
| 22:11.58 | JyZyXEL | shouldn't i be able to atleast recompile the already existing kernel |
| 22:12.06 | JyZyXEL | with new hacks enabled |
| 22:12.08 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: yes, leave out the modules_image |
| 22:12.31 | JyZyXEL | :/root/linux-source-2.6.26$ sudo make-kpkg kernel_image |
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| 22:12.34 | JyZyXEL | ill try this |
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| 22:12.59 | Eulex | J-roen, strange. what does tasksel --list-tasks output? just those two? |
| 22:13.33 | asg | thc: you can have it. You might have to jimmy the door since I lost the key. |
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| 22:13.45 | abrotman | sputnick__: you really can't do that .. you'd have to change the source package and make your own |
| 22:13.54 | J-roen | Eulex: Yes. In the meantime I have run apt-get update and now it also displays print-server, dns-server and database-server. But no desktop. |
| 22:13.59 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: hm |
| 22:14.15 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: since you're using sudo anyway, you could try it without --rootcmd=fakeroot |
| 22:14.17 | Eulex | J-roen, you only ran apt-get update? not upgrade? |
| 22:14.36 | JyZyXEL | im already trying see |
| 22:14.37 | thc | abrotman: ethtool -i usb0 is showing me driver info |
| 22:14.38 | J-roen | Eulex: That's right. I'm not upgrading. |
| 22:14.52 | JyZyXEL | i don't care about the .28 |
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| 22:15.06 | JyZyXEL | .26 is fine too |
| 22:15.13 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: what I was thinking was 1. make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers 2. install those packages 3. m-a a-i nvidia-legacy |
| 22:15.14 | Eulex | J-roen, guess that tasksel will only display tasks that are installable with your current package list then. |
| 22:15.39 | J-roen | Eulex: Okay. How can I install the desktop task on my system? |
| 22:15.41 | abrotman | thc: good or bad? |
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| 22:15.51 | JyZyXEL | id much rather just recompile the debian kernel and not touch the modules |
| 22:16.03 | thc | abrotman: good (I think?_ |
| 22:16.03 | JyZyXEL | since they seem to be such a pile of shit |
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| 22:16.15 | Eulex | J-roen, what are the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list? (pastebin please) |
| 22:16.19 | babilen | i am looking for information on python{2.6,3.0} packaging. where can i find that? |
| 22:16.52 | abrotman | babilen: to make them? or use them? |
| 22:16.53 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I think I found your bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510960 |
| 22:17.05 | J-roen | Eulex: two entries for deb and deb-src on security.debian.org. |
| 22:17.23 | babilen | abrotman: the status of the packages in debian right now. |
| 22:17.23 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: no fix yet :( |
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| 22:17.39 | abrotman | babilen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/ .. ask them |
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| 22:17.53 | Eulex | J-roen, no entry for a regular debian mirror? |
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| 22:17.59 | JyZyXEL | im happy with .26 |
| 22:18.23 | J-roen | Eulex: No. I think I can figure this out myself, so I don't have to bother you anymore. Thank you very much :). |
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| 22:18.50 | Eulex | J-roen, great :) |
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| 22:19.48 | thehurley | hello, is it possible to limit ssh logins for specific users/groups to specific times during the day? |
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| 22:21.10 | Eulex | thehurley, I guess you could code a small special shell for that, but that would not solve the problem with people logging in and keeping logged-in until after that time. |
| 22:21.27 | meyou | Eulex: throw an skill in your script :p |
| 22:21.36 | lightcap | argh, it's perfectly easy to get an su -c style init script working if the user is a normal user with a login shell... but if it's a system user I can't figure out how to switch from root and get the process running |
| 22:21.39 | \amethyst | tombhadAC: there is a pam_time module |
| 22:21.43 | \amethyst | err |
| 22:21.44 | J-roen | Eulex: Works, thanks again :). |
| 22:21.46 | \amethyst | oop |
| 22:21.56 | \amethyst | thehurley: there is a pam_time module you can use |
| 22:22.03 | thehurley | ok, thanks for the pointer |
| 22:22.12 | Eulex | J-roen, nice :) |
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| 22:22.22 | Eulex | \amethyst, oh, that's nice |
| 22:22.53 | JyZyXEL | http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompiling/ |
| 22:23.01 | sputnick__ | abrotman: you said "I can't do that"... I can't use equivs ? |
| 22:23.14 | CyberGabber | thehurley: Here is an (redhat) article about your question, maybe it helps : http://kbase.redhat.com/faq/docs/DOC-7199 |
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| 22:24.09 | abrotman | sputnick__: to satisfy the depends? you could i guess, but it may not work .. can't hurt to try |
| 22:24.15 | thehurley | CyberGabber: thank you sir |
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| 22:27.42 | sputnick__ | abrotman: I don't care about deps, the package is installed with some hacks |
| 22:27.44 | Melik | anyone know why finch/pidgin isn't in apt :/? |
| 22:28.25 | \amethyst | Melik: which version of Debian |
| 22:28.25 | abrotman | Melik: you want gaim or backports.org .. etch was released before gaim was renamed to pidgin (though it's the same functionality) |
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| 22:28.33 | abrotman | sputnick__: then try it |
| 22:28.36 | sputnick__ | # aptitude search pidgin | wc -l |
| 22:28.38 | sputnick__ | 24 |
| 22:28.47 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 22:28.48 | judd | abrotman: pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.4.3-4 sid: 2.4.3-4 experimental: 2.5.3-1 |
| 22:28.50 | sputnick__ | ok abrotman |
| 22:29.49 | Melik | \amethyst, erm the server came with Debian.. not sure what version it is, how can I find out? |
| 22:29.54 | abrotman | it's etch |
| 22:30.07 | abrotman | Melik: if you want a CLI IM client, look at centerim |
| 22:30.14 | Melik | ah yeah it is game abrotman |
| 22:30.20 | Melik | gaim*& |
| 22:30.25 | abrotman | otherwise, use backports.org .. but realistically, just use gaim, it'll work perfectly fine |
| 22:30.41 | abrotman | judd: versions gaim |
| 22:30.43 | judd | abrotman: gaim -- etch: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10etch1 etch-security: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10etch1 lenny: 1:2.0.0+fake.4 sid: 1:2.0.0+fake.4 |
| 22:30.48 | \amethyst | abrotman: have there not been protocol changes since then? |
| 22:30.48 | abrotman | see .. just before the rename :) |
| 22:31.08 | abrotman | \amethyst: i'm sure, but i can't imagine enough to keep it from totally not working |
| 22:31.15 | abrotman | especially since he didn't say for which IM protocol |
| 22:31.54 | stoned | i like the pidgin name |
| 22:31.57 | stoned | its cooler |
| 22:32.10 | abrotman | that's a valid reason to add extra sources .. coolness |
| 22:32.17 | stoned | heh |
| 22:32.32 | asg | stoned: gaimy pidgins taste better with ketchup |
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| 22:33.38 | stoned | man business is blowin' up |
| 22:33.41 | stoned | I'm happy, bbl |
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| 22:39.29 | Melik | Thanks a lot for everyone helping me out with the pidgin/gaim thing :) |
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| 22:42.22 | BCM43 | Is there a reason my computer would not be able to read blank cd's? The drive just spins and spins, and burning programs can't detect the cd. Most cd's with data work just fine |
| 22:42.34 | abrotman | they're uh .. blank? |
| 22:43.02 | dmoerner | ever the master of the obvious |
| 22:43.15 | thehurley | for anyone interested, a more debian specific way of restricting access to ssh based on time: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/227 |
| 22:43.22 | meyou | same reason you can't read blank pages |
| 22:43.24 | meyou | nothing to read |
| 22:43.34 | thc | Hahaha |
| 22:43.52 | jelly-home | thankfully everyone ignores the The drive just spins and spins, and burning programs can't detect the cd. part! |
| 22:44.09 | BCM43 | no, but shouldn't it do something with them? like at least tell me a black cd is in there? |
| 22:44.13 | BCM43 | thanks jelly-home |
| 22:44.15 | meyou | jelly-home: that's not humorous |
| 22:44.30 | meyou | BCM43: is it a cd burner or a cd-rom drive? |
| 22:44.39 | BCM43 | meyou: cd burner |
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| 22:44.52 | meyou | ok, the obvious stuff is out of the way |
| 22:44.54 | meyou | :p |
| 22:45.24 | jelly-home | BCM43: does it work in console with wodim or cdrdao, when no user is logged on in X? |
| 22:45.38 | BCM43 | jelly-home: I have not tried that |
| 22:45.41 | BCM43 | I will be back. |
| 22:45.45 | smack | Just upgraded my main computer to lenny. The CPUs are running somewhat hotter. They are socket 940 opterons without speed step or anything like that. Any known cause of this? |
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| 22:45.51 | jelly-home | !blame hal |
| 22:45.51 | dpkg | blames MikeH and hal for the end of the Internet as we know it |
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| 22:57.12 | eyeris | I want to create a .deb with just a init.d startup script to include in a live-helper build. I have my etc/init.d/my-init-script file, along with a debian/control debian/debian-binary and debian/changelog files. When I run dpkg-buildpackage I get this error: "error: control file must have at least one binary package part" |
| 22:57.22 | BCM43 | it still does not work |
| 22:57.27 | S-i-A | BCM43: use gnome-volume-manager for automatic mounting |
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| 23:00.48 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: you don't have a Package: foo stanza in your debian/control |
| 23:02.34 | sputnick__ | how can I "detar" a .deb ? |
| 23:02.49 | abrotman | ar x foo.deb |
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| 23:02.56 | sputnick__ | s/detar/uncompress |
| 23:03.07 | sputnick__ | ok, I'll try, thanks |
| 23:03.13 | BCM43 | S-i-A: It is already running |
| 23:03.28 | eyeris | dondelelcaro I do. It is "Package: my-pi-bootdisk" |
| 23:03.29 | dmoerner | eyeris: pastebin the contents of debian/control |
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| 23:04.25 | sputnick__ | abrotman: & after changes done, how reconstruct it ? |
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| 23:05.25 | eyeris | dmoerner http://pastebin.ca/1308502 |
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| 23:08.04 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: the first stanza needs to be a Source: stanza, and you don't have that |
| 23:08.12 | BCM43 | I am having the same problem as this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/debian-cant-see-blank-dcdvds-472101/ |
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| 23:09.08 | abrotman | sputnick__: /msg dpkg source |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | dpkg: i love you, stop ignoring me! |
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| 23:10.08 | eyeris | dondelelcaro Could you give me an example? I don't know what it would want if there is no build proceess (it's just a single init.d script) |
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| 23:10.27 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: apt-get source hello; |
| 23:11.06 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: there's always a build process for packages; you always have to turn a source package into a binary package |
| 23:11.31 | dondelelcaro | (that process may just be copying a single file, or in some cases doing nothing but constructing the binary package, but it still happens) |
| 23:11.34 | phitoo | hello all! I have a question about pbuilder? |
| 23:11.39 | dondelelcaro | phitoo: ask |
| 23:11.39 | eyeris | Okay. So I don't have a source package. I guess I need to make that first? |
| 23:12.09 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: you're making it now; you just don't have a source stanza in your control file |
| 23:12.28 | eyeris | So my source and binary package are one in the same? |
| 23:12.32 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: no |
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| 23:12.37 | derjens | hello everyone |
| 23:12.47 | phitoo | dondelelcaro: Thanks. I'll spare you the details. Suppose you have a brand new install of pbuilder and you pre-fill APTCACHE.... |
| 23:13.02 | derjens | i've just installed ecc ram because this was the only one my mainboard would accept |
| 23:13.10 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: the source package is generated with dpkg-source -b; it's just a tar.gz (or an orig.tar.gz+diff.gz) and a dsc describing the contents of the source package |
| 23:13.11 | derjens | how to make use of ECC ram in debian? |
| 23:13.15 | sputnick__ | thanks abrotman & others |
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| 23:13.34 | phitoo | dondelelcaro: Why does pbuilder pick up the cached files? It just wants to download everything again. |
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| 23:13.50 | BCM43 | S-i-A: any other ideas? |
| 23:13.57 | dondelelcaro | phitoo: which apt cache did you prefil? do the timestamps match? |
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| 23:14.19 | sputnick__ | my wlassistant works with a hack : "ar x wlassistant-foo.deb; cp $PWD/usr/local; /usr/local/wlassistant-foo/usr/bin/wlassistant" |
| 23:14.33 | sputnick__ | (resumed) |
| 23:14.43 | eyeris | dondelelcaro In the past I've simply ran dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 23:15.19 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: dpkg-buildpackage builds binary packages |
| 23:15.32 | dondelelcaro | (well, it also builds source packages by calling dpkg-source, but that's kind of besides the point) |
| 23:15.49 | phitoo | dondelelcaro: ${APTCACHE} I believe it's called. And the tmestamp question is fascinating! |
| 23:16.01 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: but it's still not your problem. Your problem is that you don't have a source stanza in debian/control; fixing that will fix your problem |
| 23:16.10 | BCM43 | my computer won't recognize blank cd's. Anybody have any idea why? |
| 23:16.52 | eyeris | It doesn't fix my problem. |
| 23:17.02 | zinx | BCM43: can't recognize, or can't burn to? |
| 23:17.10 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: then run dpkg-source -b, and stick the tar.gz and .dsc somewhere so I can see them |
| 23:17.13 | BCM43 | zinx: can't recognize |
| 23:17.20 | zinx | BCM43: you probably don't have a CD burner. |
| 23:17.28 | eyeris | Wait a minute. Maybe I need dpkg -b |
| 23:17.35 | BCM43 | zinx: I do have one, I have burned with it before, it just started |
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| 23:17.38 | eyeris | and DEBIAN/ instead of debian/ |
| 23:17.51 | eyeris | (looking at another package I made a long time ago) |
| 23:17.53 | BCM43 | zinx: by just I mean a few months ago |
| 23:18.06 | zinx | BCM43: grep -i cd.*drive /var/log/dmesg |
| 23:18.22 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: uh... that's if you're only making a binary package manually and aren't going to be making any changes to it ever |
| 23:18.43 | zinx | BCM43: does it say CD-R or CD-RW anywhere? |
| 23:19.07 | BCM43 | zinx: http://pastebin.com/d730fdb5e |
| 23:19.10 | PriitM | I just realized why I don't learn much while using Debian Testing. It's because system works so perfectly |
| 23:19.17 | BCM43 | zinx: yes |
| 23:19.17 | chomwitt2 | in lenny dexconf creates a simple xorg.conf but 'X -configure :1' creates a very different file. So where are the missing configuration directives? |
| 23:19.25 | zinx | argh, no useful info in that :< |
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| 23:19.39 | Guerin | PriitM: wait until the release. Then it'l start to get fun as kde4 and the new gnome and things like that filter in |
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| 23:19.50 | zinx | BCM43: well, try ''cdrdao disk-info'' with a blank disk in the drive |
| 23:19.58 | eyeris | dondelelcaro Why can't I make changes using that method? |
| 23:20.10 | zinx | BCM43: if it says there's no media, your drive doesn't support burning CDs, or the media's bad, or the drive's bad |
| 23:20.16 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: you can, but it's painful, and not the way packages should be built |
| 23:20.31 | zinx | BCM43: you may need to install cdrdao if you don't have it :/ |
| 23:20.42 | BCM43 | zinx: http://pastebin.com/d5f25de5d |
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| 23:21.09 | zinx | BCM43: and it says that forever? |
| 23:21.17 | zinx | BCM43: bad media or bad drive. |
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| 23:21.23 | eyeris | dondelelcaro What about dpkg-deb -b? |
| 23:21.32 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: that's what dpkg -b actually calls. |
| 23:21.35 | BCM43 | zinx: no, it gives ERROR: Unit not ready, giving up.ERROR: Cannot setup device /dev/cdrw. |
| 23:21.44 | zsircusr | hello |
| 23:21.44 | zinx | BCM43: bad media or bad drive. |
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| 23:21.56 | stew | or bad cable |
| 23:21.59 | BCM43 | zinx: but it can read non-blank cd's |
| 23:22.15 | zinx | stew: not quite as likely |
| 23:22.16 | eyeris | I'm pretty sure this is what I followed last time: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ |
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| 23:22.25 | zinx | BCM43: it can still be bad media / bad drive |
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| 23:22.38 | BCM43 | zinx: ok, thanks |
| 23:22.53 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: that's not even written by someone who is a DD |
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| 23:23.07 | phitoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.16 | eyeris | dondelelcaro It shows. It's not 400 pages :) |
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| 23:23.47 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: it's not even the right way to do things |
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| 23:24.54 | eyeris | dondelelcaro So I am finding out. Do you have a link to a HOWTO that gives a fairly short explanation? |
| 23:25.10 | zsircusr | would anyone help me select an sbc to suit my needs? |
| 23:25.18 | eyeris | The manual is a joke. It's like learning a programming language from the parser grammar. |
| 23:25.24 | zsircusr | please? |
| 23:25.36 | zinx | eyeris: erh.. i do that |
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| 23:25.51 | zsircusr | some please help me select an sbc? |
| 23:25.54 | eyeris | zinx Good for you. |
| 23:26.05 | eyeris | zinx Have fund with that. |
| 23:26.47 | zsircusr | is there an sbc channel? |
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| 23:27.33 | zsircusr | hello? am i just invisible or something? |
| 23:28.03 | petemc | define sbc |
| 23:28.22 | zsircusr | single board computer |
| 23:28.46 | romano2k | hi everyone! |
| 23:28.57 | romano2k | any idea how i can enable .htaccess support on my apache2 config? |
| 23:29.04 | zinx | zsircusr: try asking ##hardware |
| 23:29.17 | mbent_ | romano2k, maybe a better place to ask would be #apache |
| 23:29.21 | romano2k | #apache can't help me because it looks like debian's apache2 configs aren't very standard |
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| 23:29.24 | mbent_ | romano2k, or google |
| 23:29.26 | zsircusr | is that a channel? |
| 23:29.26 | peleg_ | After a long and difficult night, I am facing the great moment: testing postfix. I am doing "telnet localhost 25". I should, as it seems, get "ehlo localhost" as a response, and then 250-STARTTLS and 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN, but instead all I see is up to Escape character is '^]'., and then nothing |
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| 23:30.05 | phitoo | dondelelcaro: Got to go. But thanks (a lot!) for the tip. I'll check it out. |
| 23:30.11 | romano2k | mbent_: i just spent 20 min on #apache, they're kinda confused :) |
| 23:30.17 | romano2k | that's why i ask here |
| 23:30.31 | stew | romano2k: edit the virtual host in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled and add a <Directory> entry with an AllowOverride entry: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#allowoverride |
| 23:30.45 | JoshH | AccessFileName .htaccess |
| 23:30.49 | romano2k | stew: thank you, i'm going to try |
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| 23:30.57 | romano2k | JoshH: this is already in my apache2.conf file |
| 23:31.14 | stew | romano2k: (and note that you should, in general, not touch that apache2.conf file) |
| 23:31.18 | JoshH | are you trying to allow password protected directories, or just overriding options? |
| 23:31.38 | romano2k | stew: all right, in fact i think it's been untouched |
| 23:31.58 | romano2k | stew: i just edited the sites-available/default file |
| 23:32.07 | romano2k | JoshH: password protected directories |
| 23:32.18 | stew | romano2k: if you need to costomize something globally, do it in httpd.conf, but most things should probably go in a site specific config in sites-enabled/sitename |
| 23:32.22 | romano2k | but i may wan't to override other options in the future |
| 23:33.41 | romano2k | it works! i edited the "AllowOverride" option in my sites-available/default file :) |
| 23:33.45 | romano2k | thank you everyone |
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| 23:34.19 | stoned | you're welcome |
| 23:34.26 | stoned | takes credit for it |
| 23:34.31 | stoned | heh heh . |
| 23:34.43 | romano2k | :D |
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| 23:36.17 | JyZyXEL | my kernel won't even boot |
| 23:36.25 | JyZyXEL | god fucking damnit |
| 23:37.01 | JyZyXEL | isn't there a documentation about how to enable shit in debian kernel |
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| 23:37.16 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: the best thing is to look at an existing package, like hello. |
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| 23:37.40 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: that'll show you what to do. Or you can do what I said, and run dpkg-source -b and upload the .tar.gz and .dsc and I can tell you what you've done wrong |
| 23:37.54 | dondelelcaro | (but I don't really have time to discuss it) |
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| 23:38.46 | thc | What does "enable shit" mean. |
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| 23:39.00 | JyZyXEL | like enabling stuff from menu config |
| 23:39.01 | thc | And why are you messing with your kernel if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 23:39.06 | JyZyXEL | i don't know what they are called |
| 23:39.09 | thc | Did you just build a new kernel? |
| 23:39.17 | JyZyXEL | yea and it didn't work |
| 23:39.23 | JyZyXEL | so im booting back to the old one |
| 23:40.02 | jamon | JyZyXEL: that isn't debian's fault, copy your /boot/config-2.6.2.* config and use that in your source tree's .config |
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| 23:40.21 | JyZyXEL | what source tree |
| 23:40.30 | JyZyXEL | i tried with the one from apt-get and it failed |
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| 23:40.51 | eyeris | I've gotten past that step by looking at the hello package (thanks for the pointer) but now I get "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" and I can't find that file in the hello package |
| 23:40.58 | jamon | umm.. |
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| 23:41.22 | JyZyXEL | i don't want the newest kernel |
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| 23:42.16 | jamon | so copy the config for you current one from /boot/config-whatever to your apt-source download .config and run make menuconfig on that |
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| 23:42.30 | jamon | don't disable stuff, just enable what you need |
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| 23:43.47 | JyZyXEL | jamon yea that what i did |
| 23:43.53 | TowerNet | Is there a way to automate the rescue mode? i.e. have prepared answers for all the questions so that just drops to the shell? |
| 23:44.06 | JyZyXEL | but what do you do after that |
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| 23:45.35 | jamon | check out make-kpkg |
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| 23:45.58 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: why are you recompiling your kernel anyway? |
| 23:46.18 | JyZyXEL | llimeht i need some shit enabled in it |
| 23:46.29 | JyZyXEL | its not enabled in the debian one |
| 23:47.09 | llimeht | that's nice. Learn to (a) described your problem (b) write in English and (c) interact politely with others and you might even get help. |
| 23:47.11 | JyZyXEL | can't i just recompile the kernel without touching the damn modules |
| 23:47.14 | JyZyXEL | they don't compile at all |
| 23:47.31 | TowerNet | It's for a proliant dl385g2, and a dl585g2, there are a few things I want compiled in, and a bunch of excess defaults I want to remove. |
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| 23:47.54 | JyZyXEL | if its the same kernel same modules should work |
| 23:48.08 | TowerNet | er... oops. =D |
| 23:48.15 | JyZyXEL | where is the module directory set? |
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| 23:49.19 | PiousMinion1 | Hi, I've had no problems with sound on any of my many lenny installs.... until today. For some strange reason I got the itch to enable 'system sounds' in gnome and noticed.... they don't work. Anyone know what I might do to get the sounds to work? |
| 23:49.19 | zinx | JyZyXEL: /lib/modules/`uname -r`, and they are included with the kernel package. |
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| 23:49.31 | zinx | JyZyXEL: what option do you need enabled? |
| 23:49.49 | JyZyXEL | zinx some hooks for latency monitoring |
| 23:49.53 | JyZyXEL | from the hacking menu |
| 23:50.04 | zinx | JyZyXEL: you will probably need to recompile everything |
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| 23:51.07 | JyZyXEL | nvidias module won't compile |
| 23:51.13 | JyZyXEL | neither will the webcam drivers |
| 23:51.22 | zinx | JyZyXEL: install linux-source-2.6.26 (or whatever), extract it to your favorite spot, and from linux-source-2.6.26/ do: cp /boot/config-2.6.26* .config then: make-kpkg binary |
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| 23:51.42 | zinx | JyZyXEL: you need to install the resulting .debs after that |
| 23:52.00 | JyZyXEL | ill try build the modules |
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| 23:52.03 | zinx | JyZyXEL: nvidia's drivers should compile if you use the drivers from the repository and use module-assistant to build them |
| 23:52.04 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: if out-of-tree modules don't compile, then complain to the people who wrote them and haven't had them merged. |
| 23:52.18 | zinx | JyZyXEL: your webcam drivers should too, if they are packaged |
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| 23:53.51 | JyZyXEL | well where is the documentation about this?? |
| 23:54.07 | JyZyXEL | none of these custom kernel manuals have that |
| 23:54.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: the documentation is in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 23:55.05 | zinx | !tell JyZyXEL about kp |
| 23:55.14 | stew | JyZyXEL: note, you'll want the --initrd option to make-kpkg unless you make more changes to your kernel config |
| 23:55.26 | TowerNet | anybody here used machines requiring the cciss driver? |
| 23:55.33 | stew | TowerNet: yes |
| 23:55.52 | TowerNet | stew - I'm experiencing some weirdness... |
| 23:56.12 | TowerNet | The installer loads the cciss driver, and all disks are detect without any problem... |
| 23:56.31 | TowerNet | however on reboot... I can see that while it loads the cciss driver without any problem... |
| 23:56.51 | JyZyXEL | hmm /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.modules |
| 23:57.00 | JyZyXEL | that is about the modules |
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| 23:57.16 | zinx | JyZyXEL: module-assistant is easier |
| 23:57.24 | TowerNet | i.e. `HP CISS Driver (v 3.6.20)' |
| 23:57.27 | JyZyXEL | yea well i don't see that in there |
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| 23:57.35 | TowerNet | it does not actually detect the disks |
| 23:57.35 | JyZyXEL | so its harder |
| 23:57.51 | zinx | JyZyXEL: yeah well install it |
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| 23:58.03 | zinx | JyZyXEL: you not have the internet or something? |
| 23:58.08 | TowerNet | I've compiled to custom kernel, one with cciss built-in, the other with an initrd image and cciss built as a module |
| 23:58.27 | zinx | JyZyXEL: building a module with module-assistant usually goes like this: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 23:58.39 | zinx | JyZyXEL: that's it, you're done. |
| 23:58.44 | JyZyXEL | zinx i don't know how the heck to use it with this particular problem |
| 23:58.51 | zinx | well, you may need -u /tmp or whatever :P |
| 23:58.59 | TowerNet | It again exhibits the same behaviour, however with the initrd version I can drop into that initramfs shell |
| 23:59.28 | TowerNet | by connecting to the serial port I was able to capture all the messages too... |
