| 00:00.11 | TowerNet | It looks like make-kpkg didnt' actually ever run `depmod -a' |
| 00:00.14 | TowerNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.30 | TowerNet | is one such message from the serial console |
| 00:00.32 | JyZyXEL | i just broke ./debian/changelog |
| 00:00.41 | JyZyXEL | what is it by default? |
| 00:00.49 | TowerNet | the other one is |
| 00:00.51 | TowerNet | ALERT! /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 00:01.27 | TowerNet | I mknod-ed it manually, however it didnt fix anything - problem is that is does not detect the actual disks |
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| 00:03.29 | JyZyXEL | the nvidia fucking fails so much |
| 00:03.38 | JyZyXEL | can't i just take the old modules instead |
| 00:04.11 | llimeht | If you could do that, then you'd also be able to compile them. |
| 00:04.29 | JyZyXEL | the old modules work fine |
| 00:04.35 | stew | TowerNet: the "...does not exist. Dropping to a shell" sounds to me like you need to rebuld the initrd |
| 00:04.48 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: with the old kernel. |
| 00:04.52 | stew | TowerNet: perhaps after listing cciss in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 00:05.02 | JyZyXEL | god damnit ill just don't use the nvidia module then |
| 00:05.15 | JyZyXEL | fucking had it with the nvidia and their shitty drivers |
| 00:05.23 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: ask #nvidia... it's their non-free driver/ |
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| 00:05.48 | romano2k | wow it's been a long time since i debugged something under linux |
| 00:05.55 | romano2k | what's the software to display in realtime a file? |
| 00:06.07 | llimeht | romano2k: tail? |
| 00:06.14 | romano2k | llimeht: that's right, thx! |
| 00:06.18 | llimeht | np |
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| 00:11.14 | JyZyXEL | you can't use make-kpkg twice for the same kernel |
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| 00:12.26 | JyZyXEL | someone should redesign the mantra |
| 00:12.31 | JyZyXEL | !kp mantra |
| 00:12.32 | dpkg | kp mantra is probably make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 00:12.55 | JyZyXEL | you can't do that command twice |
| 00:14.22 | llimeht | alternatively, you could rtfm |
| 00:14.33 | craigevil-eee | JyZyXEL: trying to install nvidia drivers? take a look at http://smxi.org/ |
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| 00:17.03 | JyZyXEL | whats that |
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| 00:17.35 | craigevil-eee | script that makes install nvidia painless |
| 00:17.35 | llimeht | JyZyXEL: do you want us to click on the link, pre-chew it for you and then spoon feed it to you as well now? |
| 00:17.41 | abrotman | craigevil-eee: try not to confuse him .. he's having enough problems on his own |
| 00:18.22 | JyZyXEL | i don't care anymore |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | see .. problem solved! |
| 00:18.51 | enouf | JyZyXEL: have you tried a nice Debian kernel? ;-) |
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| 00:20.08 | JyZyXEL | nvidia can gtfo of my kernel with their crappy drivers |
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| 00:20.37 | enouf | \o/ |
| 00:21.22 | enouf | we've won one back .. from the 3v3l darkside :-) |
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| 00:22.52 | enouf | now, go buy a nice ati card ;-) like a r5xx or maybe r6xx, one of those has full support in X, so i hear ;-) |
| 00:22.53 | JyZyXEL | last time i used ATI drivers they would just freeze the whole machine |
| 00:23.02 | JyZyXEL | like kernel panic and stuff |
| 00:23.35 | JyZyXEL | but theres been alot of development in the open source drivers i guess? |
| 00:23.57 | JyZyXEL | since AMD published alot of documentation |
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| 00:24.10 | abrotman | a lot for certain sets of cards |
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| 00:25.41 | JyZyXEL | what was its name like "radeonhd" or something? |
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| 00:25.55 | JyZyXEL | i remember there was alot of stuff for ati |
| 00:26.45 | riot | damn. I cannot (anymore??!) install verified debian packages. What are the minimum necessary packages for secure apt? |
| 00:27.04 | riot | i |
| 00:27.18 | riot | am running sid. (sorry for linebreak, mad foil-keyboard here) |
| 00:27.50 | SQlvpapir | http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1753/ <- how do I apply this patch to the local tree? |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | riot: did you install debian-keyring ? |
| 00:27.56 | riot | mirror is official, i have debsums, the debian keyring... gpg |
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| 00:28.07 | abrotman | SQlvpapir: man patch |
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| 00:28.32 | SQlvpapir | I am in doubt if I should use p1 or p0 |
| 00:29.03 | abrotman | try them both! |
| 00:29.05 | \amethyst | SQlvpapir: you don't have your kernel in a directory named "a" or "b" do you? |
| 00:29.25 | TowerNet | stew: the problem is that it's a spurious message |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | !spurious interrupt |
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| 00:29.42 | TowerNet | it actually does exists, and it contains the following line.. |
| 00:29.43 | abrotman | oh .. bot hates me |
| 00:29.47 | \amethyst | SQlvpapir: then it should be -p1 while you're in the linux source directory---that way, when you remove one component you get drivers/net/..., a relative path that exists |
| 00:30.05 | TowerNet | (initramfs) cat /lib/modules/2.6.28.dl385g2/modules.dep |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | take all the guess work out of it .. jeeez |
| 00:30.18 | TowerNet | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.34 | SQlvpapir | thanks I guess.. will try it out |
| 00:31.26 | riot | this is putting me in a VERY nervous and even paranoid state now :( |
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| 00:31.56 | abrotman | riot: what's the actual error .. use a pastebin |
| 00:32.18 | llimeht | !hand out the tinfoil hats |
| 00:32.18 | dpkg | passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil... |
| 00:32.59 | chomwitt_ | sorry if i repeat(bad connection). my lenny dexconf's xorg.conf file misses a file,module section . Are there somewhere default values? |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | chomwitt_: IIRC that's normal |
| 00:33.29 | llimeht | chomwitt_: the default values are filled in by automagical hadrware detection |
| 00:33.34 | riot | no real error :( have a look: http://pastebin.com/d431577a6 |
| 00:33.40 | \amethyst | chomwitt_: Xorg does detection now |
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| 00:34.25 | \amethyst | riot: what version of debian-archive-keyring do you have? |
| 00:34.26 | abrotman | riot: what version of debian-keyring do you have ? |
| 00:34.28 | riot | llimeht: thanks |
| 00:34.33 | abrotman | oh jeez .. debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:34.38 | llimeht | riot: have you installed the debian-archive-keyring package? |
| 00:34.40 | abrotman | \amethyst: why didn't you correct me five minutes ago :) |
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| 00:34.53 | riot | deb-keyring is 2008.07.22 |
| 00:34.56 | supersoundguy | anyone know any more options I can pass to grub so that my new mobo will not give me an MCE? i've used noapic acpi=off |
| 00:35.00 | riot | up2date according to apt |
| 00:35.01 | chomwitt_ | thanks. |
| 00:35.07 | llimeht | judd versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:35.08 | judd | llimeht: debian-archive-keyring -- etch: 2007.07.31~etch1 lenny: 2008.04.16+nmu1 sid: 2008.04.16+nmu1 |
| 00:35.09 | riot | llimeht: i |
| 00:35.29 | \amethyst | riot: what about debian-archive-keyring, which is a different package? |
| 00:35.29 | abrotman | using ubuntu ? |
| 00:35.35 | Ace2016_- | How would i go about finding out which package x includes are in, trying to compile something and it wants it |
| 00:35.36 | riot | 'll try that . DAMN i start HATING this keyboard.. What a nuisance.. well, at least its beersafe |
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| 00:36.59 | riot | Amorphous: , llimeht: doesn |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | doesn ? |
| 00:37.20 | riot | 't hellp... GOD..I''ll TEAR this schmeckboard... |
| 00:38.11 | Ace2016_- | xorg-dev |
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| 00:39.28 | riot | Hmm. Apt doesn't have any verbose mode either.. :( |
| 00:40.08 | abrotman | riot: did you try `apt-get update && aptitude update` ? |
| 00:40.18 | riot | abrotman: just doing it :) |
| 00:40.41 | riot | yes, thats it!! Thanks! |
| 00:40.59 | rpetre | abrotman: aren't they equivalent? |
| 00:41.02 | riot | silently tears a foil-keyboard in three parts.. |
| 00:41.02 | llimeht | gathers up the tinfoil hats for sale on ebay |
| 00:41.10 | riot | llimeht: aah, I |
| 00:41.16 | riot | 'd like to keep mine |
| 00:41.17 | llimeht | fail |
| 00:41.30 | riot | yeah :) its a very weird keyboard |
| 00:41.32 | abrotman | rpetre: yeah .. you'd think so |
| 00:41.55 | rpetre | i'm trying to figure out the difference |
| 00:42.07 | rpetre | but can't :( |
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| 00:45.17 | supersoundguy | what other boot options can i pass at boot time to see if i can get my mobo to stop constantly restarting during the boot process? i've tried noapic and acpi=off |
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| 00:46.41 | Ace2016_- | supersoundguy: certain its not a hardware issue? |
| 00:47.07 | MoebiusX | I'm tring to figure out how to configure Postgresql 8.3 with custom PGDATA path, but can't seem to find any relevant docs. Anyone knows? |
| 00:48.17 | supersoundguy | Ace2016: pretty sure...in any case it doesn't stay up long enough for me to see if there's an MCE |
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| 00:49.58 | abrotman | MoebiusX: isn't /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/pgdata a symlink ? |
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| 00:52.42 | rebecka | If I try to restart X or switching to a VT after more than 5 min from first starting X my system freezez completely and it bothers me; I'm running lenny and the mga driver my xorg.conf can be found @ http://pastebin.com/m5e8cbe93 any ideas? |
| 00:53.11 | dmoerner_ | rebecka: do you have a /var/log/Xorg.?.log that is interesting? |
| 00:53.37 | MoebiusX | abrotman: no, no such thing. And PGDATA should be environment var, not a symlink, unless Postgres under Debian is severely modified? |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | rebecka: you might want to try mving the xorg.conf out of the way and letting X autoguess |
| 00:54.15 | abrotman | MoebiusX: my point being that PGDATA would point to /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/pgdata .. and you could change that symlink |
| 00:54.55 | MoebiusX | abrotman: I see. Well, I don't know, I can't find any docs on PGDATA and Postgres on Debian. |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | MoebiusX: you don't have that symlink at all? do you have /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/ .. what is thte output of ls -l on that dir ? |
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| 00:57.18 | abrotman | MoebiusX: on a system i have that has 8.1 .. /etc/postgresql/8.1/main/postgresql.conf has a setting for the data |
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| 00:58.14 | MoebiusX | abrotman: no, no symlink. I just found that it uses the dir directly from postgresql.conf. I guess I can turn that into a symlink. Which brings me to point #2. How do I re-init the db for new directory? |
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| 00:58.37 | abrotman | i think that's in the pgsql docs |
| 00:58.58 | rebecka | abrotman: In such case I get mirrored output on my screens wich is not what I would like.. oh and dmoerner: my Xorg.0.log.old doesn't seem to contain any strange things at the end see: http://pastebin.com/m2702fb4c |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | rebecka: but does it crash? |
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| 00:59.31 | abrotman | you should use xrandr to setup the dual screens |
| 00:59.56 | rebecka | abrotman: it would seem my error is indeed in my xorg.conf (hacked togher from various forum posts and such) |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 01:00.23 | \amethyst | MoebiusX: you can use pg_createcluster -d /path/to/pgsql/data/directory |
| 01:00.49 | \amethyst | MoebiusX: it might help to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3/README.Debian.gz and /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/architecture.html |
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| 01:01.39 | MoebiusX | \amethyst: thanks. I was looking for initdb but there apparently isn't one on Debian. |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | \amethyst: i looked in the 8.1 README.Debian .. but didn't see anything |
| 01:03.19 | rebecka | abrotman: thank you! will do! (I belive I did at one point and for some reason gave it up from lack of understanding...) |
| 01:03.54 | \amethyst | abrotman: yeah, it seems to be mostly useful for the links to other documentation |
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| 01:05.14 | abrotman | \amethyst: the 8.1 docs are kind of not useful |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | in etch anyways it seems |
| 01:06.43 | \amethyst | MoebiusX: if you want to change PGDATA (or set env variables) for an existing cluster, you can use e.g. /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/environment (but then you might as well just edit the postgresql.conf) |
| 01:07.07 | MoebiusX | \amethyst: tried that, doesn't work (errors out with syntax error online with PGDATA="/path/to/data" |
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| 01:07.49 | MoebiusX | so I had to edit postgresql.conf, but the problem is, I need to init the db (create all files under the path), but pg_createcluster is something I don't know how to use properly. I guess I'll have to create new cluster. |
| 01:08.05 | \amethyst | MoebiusX: it says to use single quotes |
| 01:08.12 | MoebiusX | tried that too |
| 01:08.19 | MoebiusX | and without the quotes. :) |
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| 01:12.50 | MoebiusX | Yay! It's alive! |
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| 01:13.57 | Saz|Laptop | is there a wubi for debian, I need linux to run aircrack on my adapter, and i refuse to use ubuntu |
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| 01:17.16 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: no, but there is http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 01:17.46 | Saz|Laptop | last i checked that repartitions my drive |
| 01:17.55 | dondelelcaro | Saz|Laptop: yes, which is why it's not wubi... |
| 01:18.21 | Saz|Laptop | i really didnt want to bother repartitioning for an os im gonna use once, maybe twice a year |
| 01:18.34 | Saz|Laptop | maybe i'll make a small install and partition footprint then |
| 01:18.36 | dondelelcaro | well, you don't have to reparation; it'll resize the partitions for you |
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| 01:19.20 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, so its more like a bootcamp for debian |
| 01:19.57 | dondelelcaro | I've never used bootcamp, so I can't say |
| 01:20.11 | Saz|Laptop | im pretty sure it does the resizing and stuff for you\ |
| 01:20.16 | Saz|Laptop | any word on how well it works with vista |
| 01:20.26 | dondelelcaro | this isn't #macos |
| 01:20.27 | Saz|Laptop | or windows 7 in my case, same difference though |
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| 01:21.07 | dondelelcaro | if you mean how well does goodbywindows work, then I've not actually used it either; it should, though |
| 01:21.08 | kbdman | hey, wazzup? |
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| 01:21.38 | Saz|Laptop | dondelelcaro, just tried it: "This program does not support Windows XX yet" |
| 01:21.59 | Saz|Laptop | I'd try in compatability mode, but im not sure if it'll screw up my mbr |
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| 01:24.08 | batcoder-7 | why does gimp bring in a bunch of gnome stuff ? |
| 01:25.18 | beardy | Because it uses gtk. If you mean like that. |
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| 01:26.05 | theholyduck | its called gtk for a reason |
| 01:26.13 | theholyduck | gimp graphics toolkit orwhat not |
| 01:26.15 | theholyduck | atleast originally |
| 01:26.15 | artechaud_ | i have nipples, Greg, could you milk me? |
| 01:26.21 | batcoder-7 | i know |
| 01:26.26 | batcoder-7 | but i already had gtk installed |
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| 01:26.34 | batcoder-7 | anyways how do you take a screenshot ? |
| 01:26.39 | batcoder-7 | print screen is not working |
| 01:26.42 | beardy | !scrot |
| 01:26.53 | batcoder-7 | ? |
| 01:27.00 | theholyduck | batcoder-7, the command scrot. |
| 01:27.12 | theholyduck | alternativly. use the gimps builtin take screenshot tool |
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| 01:27.18 | beardy | batcoder-7: If you mean in gimp, use it's own Paste, aqquire from.. in the menu. |
| 01:27.31 | batcoder-7 | i dont understand ? |
| 01:27.35 | Saz|Laptop | well it looks like debian.exe works in vista compatability mode |
| 01:27.43 | Saz|Laptop | when using windows 7 at least |
| 01:27.47 | theholyduck | batcoder-7, http://theholyduck.com/images/freedom1.jpg |
| 01:27.50 | theholyduck | like im doing here |
| 01:27.51 | Saz|Laptop | lets see if it does its job |
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| 01:28.16 | batcoder-7 | how can i take a screen shot and save it ? |
| 01:28.26 | theholyduck | ARGH;;; THE STUPIIIID |
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| 01:28.30 | theholyduck | facepalms |
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| 01:28.55 | theholyduck | goes to cry in the corner while somebody else cleans up the mess |
| 01:29.11 | ix | theholyduck: please use PNG when saving screen shots :-p |
| 01:29.22 | theholyduck | ix, well it was just an example :P |
| 01:29.25 | theholyduck | i did ages ago |
| 01:29.26 | beardy | batcoder-7: There is a program called scrot, in the package scrot that you can use to take screenshots. In GIMP you have File->Create->screenshot, nowadays. |
| 01:29.27 | theholyduck | :P |
| 01:29.42 | ix | theholyduck: well, okay - jeg nitpicker bare :-p |
| 01:30.08 | Saz|Laptop | does the "us" keyboard setting support AltGr |
| 01:30.20 | ix | theholyduck: also, stop watching anime and go to bed! it's late :-) |
| 01:30.44 | ix | Saz|Laptop: Can you be a bit more specific? |
| 01:31.37 | ix | If you are thinking about the variant of the US keyboard layout which supports international characters via the AltGr key, you are looking for the "altgr-intl" variant of it. |
| 01:31.37 | Saz|Laptop | ix, does it support the altgr key, as in, will altgr+5 give me a euro symbol, or is there a seperate US International layout |
| 01:31.47 | ix | Hah, beat you to it! |
| 01:31.52 | Saz|Laptop | huf durf |
| 01:32.14 | Saz|Laptop | thanks, the installer detected my layout as "us" so i wasnt sure |
| 01:32.18 | Saz|Laptop | i'll set it manually in debian |
| 01:32.41 | Saz|Laptop | i guess i'll be the first windows 7 tester of this installer |
| 01:33.26 | ix | If you're using xorg (which I presume you are), then you can add Option "XkbVariant" "altgr-intl" after specifying Option "XkbLayout" "us" in the InputDevice section. |
| 01:34.53 | theholyduck | ix, well that pic is from.. april |
| 01:35.09 | theholyduck | old pic is oooold :) |
| 01:35.21 | ix | anime fan is fan |
| 01:35.28 | theholyduck | well admitetly |
| 01:35.29 | ix | :-) |
| 01:35.30 | ix | heheh |
| 01:35.39 | Saz|Laptop | argh download timed out |
| 01:36.01 | Saz|Laptop | theres like 8 wep encrypted wifi spots around me, and i cant use any of them because theres no ralink support in windows for aircrack |
| 01:36.01 | Saz|Laptop | :( |
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| 01:36.21 | ix | Say, how can I specify which of the two sound cards installed in my computer I want to be the default for ALSA output? |
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| 01:36.59 | theholyduck | one of the alsa configs :P |
| 01:37.02 | Saz|Laptop | this installer keeps timing out at initrd.gz |
| 01:37.06 | ix | Saz|Laptop: Then stop using windows. |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=alsa+default+sound+card+alsa+FAQ&btnG=Search |
| 01:37.13 | Saz|Laptop | ix, cherish the thought |
| 01:37.37 | batcoder-7 | im pissed that i installed gimp but i got the lenny version |
| 01:37.43 | batcoder-7 | and it installed a bunch of gnome shit |
| 01:37.44 | ix | abrotman: you're a harsh mistress |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 01:38.18 | ix | I've never found anything system-wide when searching, but I'll give it another try |
| 01:38.27 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, why is it that typing alsa twice gives different results |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: do i run google ? |
| 01:39.34 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, do i run your portfolio? |
| 01:39.36 | Saz|Laptop | :P |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | you might ... |
| 01:41.16 | ix | http://pastebin.com/d6dce2e7 - argh |
| 01:41.48 | Saz|Laptop | argh download keeps timing out |
| 01:41.59 | ix | up until now I've just been solving this using alsaconf, which admittedly works |
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| 01:43.16 | abrotman | ix: FWIW .. there's also an alsa channel .. but i thought that question was answered in the alsa faq |
| 01:43.29 | rebecka | abrotman: I did as you suggested and moved my xorg.conf and now I have cloned screens and xrandr shows only one output... (http://pastebin.com/m6d89905b <--xrandr showing only one output) |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | rebecka: i don't have two monitors .. i just remembered that link .. |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | rebecka: but you're saying it only shows one screen at all ? |
| 01:44.37 | batcoder-7 | question |
| 01:44.51 | ix | reply |
| 01:44.55 | ix | that was easy! |
| 01:44.56 | rebecka | abrotman: indeed. |
| 01:45.00 | batcoder-7 | i have pinning and i told it to dl from unstable but it keeps getting testing |
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| 01:48.55 | el_alexluna | Hi alla! |
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| 01:49.20 | el_alexluna | when is the next release of debian? |
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| 01:49.51 | theholyduck | el_alexluna, when its done? |
| 01:50.18 | rebecka | el_alexluna: I belive the standard answer is "When it's ready"... |
| 01:51.09 | el_alexluna | rebecka, your answers is so clear |
| 01:51.16 | el_alexluna | :\ |
| 01:51.51 | mbent_ | el_alexluna, don't rush magnificent art |
| 01:53.07 | theholyduck | mbent_, i still dont understand why most people cant stick with unstable |
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| 01:53.11 | theholyduck | its not really THAT unstable |
| 01:53.32 | el_alexluna | mbent_, what does it mean? |
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| 01:54.23 | Saz|Laptop | looks like the installer doesnt detect my wireless card |
| 01:54.37 | Saz|Laptop | any way to rectify this? |
| 01:54.41 | mbent_ | theholyduck, i know! |
| 01:54.43 | sajes | theholyduck: I stick with lenny on my main machine. |
| 01:54.55 | mbent_ | i love sid |
| 01:55.12 | rebecka | Saz|Laptop: you might wish to specify the wireless card... |
| 01:55.22 | Saz|Laptop | Ralink |
| 01:55.53 | theholyduck | mbent_, well it hardly ever breaks. |
| 01:55.55 | Saz|Laptop | i fed the w32-loader the lenny dist and it didn't pick up the card for netinstall\ |
| 01:55.58 | craigevil-eee | theholyduck: ive ran sid for 4 yrs, same install with daily dist-upgrades |
| 01:56.06 | theholyduck | the most i get is some trivial things that i need to fix manually |
| 01:56.19 | Saz|Laptop | will the net installer even work with wifi cards |
| 01:56.19 | theholyduck | like xchat borking itself due to xchat-common not being updated |
| 01:56.20 | theholyduck | etc |
| 01:56.26 | theholyduck | Saz|Laptop, as a general rule, no |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | do not recommend unstable to people |
| 01:56.41 | theholyduck | abrotman, :) |
| 01:56.51 | theholyduck | abrotman, i dont see the problem. |
| 01:56.56 | rebecka | Saz|Laptop: you might need the firmware-ralink package after install to make that one work. |
| 01:57.04 | Saz|Laptop | rebecka, its a net installer |
| 01:57.11 | Saz|Laptop | so i cant really install it without net |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | theholyduck: here's the problem .. are you going to be here 24/7 to be the support for that person? if not, don't recommend unstable to anyone |
| 01:57.21 | theholyduck | abrotman, well obviously not |
| 01:57.23 | Saz|Laptop | any way i can load the image over vmware |
| 01:57.27 | theholyduck | if he uses unstable hes on his own |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | theholyduck: then don't do it, end of discussion |
| 01:57.45 | craigevil-eee | although from what i hear the new xorg will be a pita since it doesnt use xorg.conf |
| 01:57.50 | theholyduck | abrotman, i picked unstable because stable is too old. and middleground is for sissies |
| 01:57.55 | theholyduck | i've been using it just fine for years |
| 01:58.05 | Saz|Laptop | or is there a way i can inject the firmware-ralink files in the installer for it to use |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | theholyduck: good .. don't be an idiot and screw up other people's machines .. don't recommend unstable |
| 01:58.14 | theholyduck | craigevil-eee, heck, the current xorg doesnt even NEED xorg.conf |
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| 01:58.27 | theholyduck | but when it screws up massivly. its nice to have |
| 01:58.39 | craigevil-eee | no but you can edit xorg.conf now |
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| 01:58.50 | theholyduck | craigevil-eee, why would they remove that? |
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| 01:59.02 | theholyduck | you still need xorg.conf for abnormal solutions |
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| 01:59.12 | craigevil-eee | the version in exp you cant or at least thats what ive heard |
| 01:59.37 | theholyduck | id guess they might have no xorg.conf by default |
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| 01:59.56 | theholyduck | but half my pcs still need a very custom xorg.conf |
| 02:00.55 | Saz|Laptop | i guess i'll need to use wubi, ick |
| 02:01.07 | theholyduck | Saz|Laptop, beats windows |
| 02:01.10 | theholyduck | though only slightly |
| 02:01.45 | theholyduck | Saz|Laptop, well i always carry a updated live cd of some sorts with all sorts of wifi drivers on |
| 02:01.53 | theholyduck | then i just do the install debian with debootstrap |
| 02:01.57 | theholyduck | way. |
| 02:02.15 | Saz|Laptop | theholyduck, the installer makes it easier to repartition though |
| 02:02.21 | rebecka | Would anybody know why this xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/m443b5c92 would make my whole system freeze on restarting X and/or switching to a VT? |
| 02:02.32 | theholyduck | Saz|Laptop, anyone who cant partition with fdisk or parted. |
| 02:02.40 | theholyduck | obviously have some issues |
| 02:03.40 | Saz|Laptop | i know how to use (g)parted |
| 02:03.42 | Saz|Laptop | im just lazy' |
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| 02:03.54 | theholyduck | well debootstrap is really THE way to install debian id say |
| 02:04.01 | theholyduck | installs no nuthing. |
| 02:04.06 | Saz|Laptop | yeah, thats the only way ive ever installed debian |
| 02:04.41 | Saz|Laptop | since every server ive bought comes with crap like fedora or gentoo or ubuntu server (wait what?) |
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| 02:05.09 | rebecka | Or maybe why xrandr sees only one output if I run X without a xorg.conf? |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | rebecka: usually the BusID is supposed to be left out |
| 02:05.17 | Saz|Laptop | at any rate |
| 02:05.28 | Saz|Laptop | can a wubi install be debootstraped? |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | rebecka: might be different for dual screen MGA |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: we dont' have wubi ? |
| 02:05.51 | Saz|Laptop | or does debian not support wubi's way of installing |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | rebecka: you might also want to ask in#xorg |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: wtf is wubi ? |
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| 02:06.33 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, ubuntu isntaller for windows, it installs an ubuntu image on your drive and boots from that |
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| 02:06.45 | abrotman | goodbye-windows.com is all i know of |
| 02:06.52 | theholyduck | abrotman, and unetbootin |
| 02:06.53 | Saz|Laptop | yeah thats what i just tried |
| 02:06.57 | rebecka | abrotman: I'll try that, thanks! |
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| 02:06.59 | theholyduck | but neither is going to work without internet connection |
| 02:07.04 | Saz|Laptop | didn't support my wifi card |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | well .. duh |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: what's your wifi? |
| 02:07.13 | Saz|Laptop | ralink |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | not enough info |
| 02:07.25 | Saz|Laptop | let me get the dev id |
| 02:07.47 | Saz|Laptop | PCI\VEN_1814&DEV_0781&SUBSYS_68901462&REV_00 |
| 02:07.52 | grendal_prime | does 0.9.8c-4etch4 include the needed fixes of OpenSSL 0.9.8j ? Im trying to figure out if the update is complarable to the OpenSSL 0.9.8j. ? |
| 02:07.59 | grendal_prime | and does that make any sence whatsoever? |
| 02:08.04 | Saz|Laptop | device manager tells me it's an n ready card |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | not helpful either |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | oh .. that PCI line is :) |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg dsa ... subscribe |
| 02:08.41 | Saz|Laptop | like i said though, does the debian installer even support wifi |
| 02:08.54 | Saz|Laptop | or does it require a physical connection |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: /msg dpkg ralink |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | yes, it supports my wifi |
| 02:09.48 | Saz|Laptop | let me look up my model |
| 02:09.51 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: roughly, your wifi seems to uh .. suck :) |
| 02:10.11 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, support wise or ability wise? |
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| 02:10.20 | abrotman | support-wise .. in debian terms |
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| 02:10.47 | Saz|Laptop | not even sid has support for it? |
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| 02:11.02 | abrotman | you didn't read what the bot said ... |
| 02:11.08 | batcoder-7 | when doing a sudo is there any way to get command completeting ? |
| 02:11.31 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, I did, but im not entirely sure of my model, device manager isnt telling me |
| 02:11.42 | Saz|Laptop | is it an RT2700? |
| 02:11.45 | beardy | batcoder-7: Use su. sudo bash, but that sort of goes against the reason to use sudo. |
| 02:12.06 | beardy | batcoder-7: So, not recommended. |
| 02:12.11 | batcoder-7 | yea |
| 02:12.12 | batcoder-7 | hmm |
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| 02:13.18 | rebecka | batcoder-7: I have completion (sp?) using sudo but that's just a base-system install+sudo i have no idea how to set it up... |
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| 02:13.44 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, google tells me its either a 2700 variant or 2800, but leaning on 2700 |
| 02:14.01 | batcoder-7 | i have tab completetion for file system but not commands after i type sudo |
| 02:14.37 | beardy | batcoder-7: Add sudo last. |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: great .. still the same problem |
| 02:16.01 | rebecka | batcoder-7: for example I can go sudo aptitude ins[tab]tall and also have tab completion for package names I find this entirely awesome and I have no idea how it works... |
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| 02:16.23 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, and dpkg isnt informing me what that issue is |
| 02:16.38 | abrotman | it's not in the installer |
| 02:17.43 | alxd | rebecka: /etc/bash_completion does the magic, it has to be in ~/.bashrc |
| 02:19.06 | batcoder-7 | i can add sudo last ? |
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| 02:20.10 | nsadmin | rebecka it works :) and it's cool! |
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| 02:20.34 | batcoder-7 | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 02:20.34 | batcoder-7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.48 | batcoder-7 | does htis wnat you to fill in the country ? |
| 02:20.52 | batcoder-7 | that cant be resolved? |
| 02:21.02 | nsadmin | non-us is very old |
| 02:21.23 | alxd | batcoder-7: what does this print ? grep RELEASE: /etc/bash_completion |
| 02:21.27 | nsadmin | it's not used any more |
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| 02:21.54 | abrotman | batcoder-7: where the hell did you get your sources? |
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| 02:22.40 | Saz|Laptop | abrotman, yes that is an issue, is there a way to inject the modules in the installer? or does the sid installer support it? |
| 02:22.44 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: curious, could you show your uname -r and cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | Saz|Laptop: doubtful |
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| 02:23.51 | Saz|Laptop | looks like im stuck with wubi then. someone point me to the nearest razor blade so i can slash my wrists |
| 02:24.49 | alxd | better get the cable |
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| 02:33.15 | Melik | is there a command for debian like ubuntu's "apt-get autoremove" |
| 02:33.31 | abrotman | yes .. apt-get autoremove |
| 02:33.35 | Melik | doesnt work for me :/ |
| 02:33.35 | lostson | Melik: yes it is apt-get autoremove |
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| 02:33.44 | abrotman | Melik: which version of debian ? |
| 02:33.48 | Melik | etch |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | Melik: use aptitude |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | or use deborphan/debfoster |
| 02:34.27 | Melik | server1:/home/melik# aptitude autoremove |
| 02:34.27 | Melik | Unknown command "autoremove" |
| 02:34.27 | Melik | aptitude 0.4.4 |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | no ... |
| 02:35.05 | Melik | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 02:35.07 | Melik | lol |
| 02:35.15 | alxd | how much diskspace does it take when you install netinst lenny with the gnome core ? |
| 02:35.20 | JyZyXEL | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 02:35.24 | JyZyXEL | when doing startx |
| 02:35.44 | abrotman | alxd: maybe a GB ? |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | not even sure it's that much |
| 02:36.04 | lostson | on a 80gb hd with a fresh install of gnome it was 4% of my hd |
| 02:36.11 | lostson | you get to do the math though |
| 02:36.24 | alxd | but gnome-core |
| 02:36.25 | lostson | is not good at math |
| 02:36.28 | alxd | 1GB? |
| 02:36.48 | abrotman | that's a guess |
| 02:37.18 | lostson | that was a standard net install i just did this afternoon |
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| 02:38.40 | alxd | sounds good |
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| 02:39.08 | alxd | last time i chose desktop enviroment in the installer and it was way too much |
| 02:39.26 | lostson | so do not select it this time |
| 02:39.36 | alxd | hehe will do |
| 02:39.37 | lostson | then just add what you wish after the base install |
| 02:39.43 | nsadmin | maybe he put it in root's .bashrc |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | use aptitude after the install |
| 02:40.47 | JyZyXEL | is it better to install an experimental .deb package of some program than installing it from the sources? |
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| 02:42.24 | superjet_busy | source way is the best if you can build it from source |
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| 02:42.42 | lkthomas | guys |
| 02:42.53 | lkthomas | anyone of you using debian on Dell M1000e blade server ? |
| 02:43.21 | abrotman | what if we are? |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | superjet_busy: why is source better? |
| 02:43.33 | abrotman | would go with the package |
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| 02:43.38 | lkthomas | just wondering if you need any patch on kernel ? |
| 02:43.42 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: hmm, kinda gave up on you since you're not answering questions |
| 02:43.53 | batcoder-7 | i am here |
| 02:43.55 | batcoder-7 | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 02:43.58 | batcoder-7 | goto the soruces |
| 02:44.04 | batcoder-7 | i was just curious what that non-us thing was |
| 02:44.13 | JoaoCarneiro | lkthomas: not those, have lot's of Dl380, but no blades |
| 02:44.25 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 02:44.26 | superjet_busy | abrotman: it's build according your environment |
| 02:44.27 | abrotman | batcoder-7: you should not be using unstable |
| 02:44.37 | abrotman | superjet_busy: the packages are already built |
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| 02:44.48 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, i am not using it, i am setitng up pinning i want gimp 2.6 |
| 02:44.51 | lkthomas | JoaoCarneiro, what is D1380 ?! |
| 02:45.05 | batcoder-7 | so what is that non-us source for / mean ? |
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| 02:45.14 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: non-us was for things that couldn't be served from the us due mostly to legal problems |
| 02:45.25 | batcoder-7 | i seee |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | non-us has been dead for like .. five years |
| 02:45.30 | batcoder-7 | well it cant resolve that |
| 02:45.44 | nsadmin | dead for 5 years |
| 02:46.00 | nsadmin | not used any more |
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| 02:46.03 | abrotman | batcoder-7: no kidding .. IT'S DEAD |
| 02:46.06 | nsadmin | really old :) |
| 02:46.20 | batcoder-7 | ahhh |
| 02:46.21 | batcoder-7 | ok |
| 02:46.33 | batcoder-7 | i can still format my hting with testing and unstable right ? |
| 02:46.40 | batcoder-7 | i dont absolutely need to put lenny etc ? |
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| 02:46.47 | Silentbob | Debian sucks thats the bottom linee |
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| 02:47.06 | nsadmin | one of the bigger issues was encryption when US thought of encryption as munitions |
| 02:47.28 | nsadmin | Silentbob: you |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | that issue is still there technically i believe |
| 02:47.30 | lkthomas | abrotman, who is that little guy ? :P |
| 02:47.38 | nsadmin | were just silenced! |
| 02:48.05 | nsadmin | but the truth is you have the right to your opinion |
| 02:48.11 | WormFood | open office writer isn't showing my spelling mistakes in documents, even tho it is turned on...I have what I thought to be the proper dictionaries installed....anyone have a clue as to what is wrong/missing? |
| 02:48.15 | abrotman | or you could just let it go |
| 02:49.02 | nsadmin | I hate the implied threat behind that statement |
| 02:49.32 | JoaoCarneiro | HP's equivalent to the poweredge2950 |
| 02:49.38 | JoaoCarneiro | lkthomas: ^ |
| 02:50.29 | derjens | hey, i have a very general question. i dont know where to ask. please dont mind that i ask here because i have this channel open by coincidence |
| 02:50.47 | derjens | where to ask for the right finance program for me? |
| 02:50.49 | lkthomas | JoaoCarneiro, Actually, does HP price is cheaper than Dell ? but Dell TCO seems better than IBM and HP on blade server |
| 02:51.07 | WormFood | fuck it, I'll just use abiword, that seems to work with spell checking |
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| 02:51.32 | superjet_busy | WormFood: consult in oooforum.org or reportbug |
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| 02:51.58 | JoaoCarneiro | derjens: try gnucash |
| 02:52.17 | abrotman | derjens: gnucash is kind of the standard for personal finance these days AFAIK |
| 02:52.47 | WormFood | superjet_busy, thanks for your suggestion, but aren't you *busy*? I'm quite aware of where to ask for specific openoffice help, but this is on debian, it should work on debian, it is a debian related question, so fuck off, telling me to go somewhere else |
| 02:53.21 | superjet_busy | WormFood: #debian-oo |
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| 02:55.47 | JoaoCarneiro | lkthomas: well, i'm not into economics, more on the 'get things done' approach, so if it is DELL or HP, i really do not care, nor it will make a diference |
| 02:56.09 | lkthomas | I see |
| 02:56.27 | JoaoCarneiro | about pricings, DELL is a bit better around here |
| 02:56.34 | lkthomas | heh |
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| 02:56.35 | JoaoCarneiro | ;) |
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| 02:57.38 | stoned | hey guys |
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| 02:58.34 | stoned | I am using irssi and inside screen inside konsole inside kde. I have utf encoding in konsole, I am using xfonts-terminus font, and I started screen with screen -U irssi even, and I still can't see foreign chars, they just look like bodes |
| 02:58.38 | stoned | boxes* |
| 02:58.39 | stoned | what gives |
| 02:59.17 | stoned | WormFood, make a chinese character, and I'll see box with numbers in it |
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| 02:59.50 | WormFood | å±è鸡巴 |
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| 03:00.06 | stoned | yup, I see empty boxes now |
| 03:00.21 | stoned | I wonder happend |
| 03:00.24 | WormFood | that is backwards, it should be 鸡巴èå± |
| 03:00.33 | stoned | yup, empty boxes |
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| 03:00.38 | stoned | wtf man |
| 03:00.45 | WormFood | dunno |
| 03:00.53 | stoned | my encoding is unicode all over the place |
| 03:00.56 | shiloh7 | hello stoned |
| 03:00.59 | stoned | hi |
| 03:01.07 | JoaoCarneiro | ç |
| 03:01.16 | stoned | I see a little c with a thingy under it |
| 03:01.17 | WormFood | I wonder what google translate has to say about what I typed |
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| 03:01.32 | JoaoCarneiro | stoned: endeed |
| 03:01.47 | stoned | for example I type in arabic, i see boxes |
| 03:01.48 | stoned | :( |
| 03:02.16 | JoaoCarneiro | i guess it's a font issue |
| 03:02.34 | WormFood | I sorta doubt it is a font issue |
| 03:02.40 | stoned | xfonts-terminus can't display it? u sure? |
| 03:02.42 | JoaoCarneiro | but then again what do i know on those issues... |
| 03:02.52 | stoned | it can't be font related I dont think |
| 03:03.10 | JoaoCarneiro | on the arabic chars? |
| 03:03.13 | JoaoCarneiro | it could |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | superjet_busy: do not msg me |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | superjet_busy: just tell me here |
| 03:03.37 | abrotman | or at least ask first :) |
| 03:03.43 | stoned | im just over looking something |
| 03:03.50 | superjet_busy | abrotman: ok, sorry for that |
| 03:03.51 | stoned | like I usually do |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | superjet_busy: please do ask first ... |
| 03:04.02 | WormFood | stoned, what about the hanzismatter.com pages, could you see the chinese in the text of the pages ok? |
| 03:05.23 | stoned | nope |
| 03:05.24 | stoned | boxes |
| 03:05.50 | WormFood | ok stoned, now *that* sounds like a font issue |
| 03:06.02 | stoned | iceweasel uses totally diff fonts |
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| 03:06.26 | stoned | encoding in firefox is also utf8 |
| 03:06.27 | stoned | :( |
| 03:06.42 | stoned | my locale is fine too |
| 03:07.08 | stoned | argh. |
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| 03:09.23 | \amethyst | stoned: can you see Å ? |
| 03:09.27 | stoned | yes |
| 03:09.29 | stoned | 1/1 |
| 03:09.39 | stoned | or l with a line in it |
| 03:09.42 | stoned | whatever it is, I see it |
| 03:10.01 | abrotman | less enter! :) |
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| 03:10.05 | stoned | sorry myb ad |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | more accurate spacing! :) |
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| 03:10.20 | stoned | yes yes that too |
| 03:10.23 | stoned | :) |
| 03:10.33 | abrotman | stoned: try another terminal like xterm or something |
| 03:10.39 | stoned | ok |
| 03:10.40 | abrotman | or rvxt-unicode |
| 03:10.49 | abrotman | or whatever it's called .. i think that's the right name |
| 03:10.59 | stoned | ok |
| 03:11.37 | stoned | ok |
| 03:11.53 | stoned | I am using rxvt-unicode now, and I see two chinese symbols and two boxes |
| 03:11.58 | stoned | its half better now ;) |
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| 03:19.03 | batcoder-7 | is it a problem if i only have one thing in my sources.list ? :P |
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| 03:20.52 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: you'll also want a line for security.debian.org, unless you're running sid |
| 03:21.09 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: /msg dpkg security, change etch to lenny if necessary |
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| 03:22.02 | batcoder-7 | i was an idiot and deleted my sources.list by accident |
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| 03:23.35 | ryanhaigh | hi all, just installed lenny and im having issues with nautilus. the places sidebar has duplicate entries for partitions. there are no duplicates in the main menu. all i could find via google was an ubuntu bug which mentioned restarting dbus |
| 03:23.37 | \amethyst | batcoder-7: also corresponding deb-src lines if you want to be able to fetch source packages with apt-get source |
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| 03:23.56 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: it's easy to make another |
| 03:24.17 | nsadmin | what dist are you running? |
| 03:24.20 | ryanhaigh | doing this restarts nautilus and the duplicates are gone but the same ubuntu bug report mentioned that restarting dbus isn't a good idea |
| 03:24.31 | batcoder-7 | iiif i rememebr it had like 6 lines in it |
| 03:24.58 | nsadmin | umm I'm not going to point and laugh even if it is funny :) |
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| 03:25.12 | x1250 | heh |
| 03:25.15 | nsadmin | are you running etch sid or lenny? |
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| 03:26.17 | haqe17 | which init.d/script tells the computer to activate swap? my problem is that on boot the computer freezes on "Activating swap...", commenting out the swap line in fstab doesn't help |
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| 03:26.48 | haqe17 | i have enough RAM so I dont mind not having swap activated |
| 03:26.54 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: in case you're wondering, the joke is: there is an infinite number of possible 6-line sources.list (including 6 blank lines) |
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| 03:27.20 | abrotman | haqe17: grep for swapon ? |
| 03:27.47 | craigevil | batcoder-7: take a look at http://www.geocities.com/reverendsky/sourceslist.txt only use what you need, deb , security and maybe backports.org |
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| 03:29.28 | nsadmin | are backports still on backports.org? or are they on the regular deb mirrors now? |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 03:30.15 | batcoder-7 | do people actually backport thing ? |
| 03:30.19 | batcoder-7 | things* |
| 03:30.19 | dec3pti0n | do u guys know a way to stop the lines from wrapping around ? I have my xterm window big enouth nut no good there .. I'm using screen btw |
| 03:30.22 | nsadmin | sure |
| 03:30.32 | Knorrie | batcoder-7: i do, myself |
| 03:30.33 | batcoder-7 | hmm i see |
| 03:30.40 | nsadmin | things are backported for example from lenny to etch |
| 03:30.40 | batcoder-7 | i was using pinning to get it from the unstable |
| 03:30.51 | Knorrie | dont do thqat |
| 03:31.27 | nsadmin | the backported ones will work better more consistantly |
| 03:31.41 | Knorrie | well, you can use packages from a 'future' release as long as they dont require future dependencies |
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| 03:32.20 | abrotman | batcoder-7: please stop pinning |
| 03:32.39 | nsadmin | if you just cross dist versions it might not work with what you have, backporting makes it work with what you have |
| 03:32.41 | Knorrie | re-packaging packages (as long as it's possible) will create debs that work (well, if you're really know what you're doing) |
| 03:32.42 | abrotman | dec3pti0n: COLUMNS=200 <command> |
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| 03:33.17 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, you dont like pinning ? |
| 03:33.19 | nsadmin | Knorrie: some are simple and just build and work |
| 03:33.35 | dec3pti0n | abrotman, nah I tried that already |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | batcoder-7: you're apparently not capable .. and given the current states of testing/unstable, there's almost no reason |
| 03:33.43 | nsadmin | ride a painted poney let the pinning wheel pin |
| 03:33.49 | dec3pti0n | abrotman, don't think that works inside a screen session |
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| 03:34.03 | abrotman | dec3pti0n: detach from the screen and reattach |
| 03:34.22 | ryanhaigh | i have previously had the drives mounted under a different location (/mnt) if that helps |
| 03:34.24 | \amethyst | dec3pti0n: make sure COLUMNS is set right before launching screen |
| 03:34.25 | batcoder-7 | abrotman, i sear i am not that much of a noob i have used slackware since 95 ;) just bored atm and ranting baout every little problem |
| 03:34.36 | \amethyst | dec3pti0n: before reattaching, that is |
| 03:34.36 | abrotman | batcoder-7: you're apparently not capable .. and given the current states of testing/unstable, there's almost no reason |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | read the last part of what i said |
| 03:34.46 | \amethyst | dec3pti0n: shopt -s checkwinsize might help |
| 03:34.52 | batcoder-7 | i am using ;enny abrotman |
| 03:35.00 | batcoder-7 | lenny* |
| 03:35.01 | abrotman | you're still not reading |
| 03:35.19 | dec3pti0n | nope |
| 03:35.21 | batcoder-7 | i am confused pinning is the only way to get gimp2.6 or that backport |
| 03:35.29 | abrotman | judd: versions gimp |
| 03:35.30 | judd | abrotman: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.4.7-1 experimental: 2.6.3-1 |
| 03:35.44 | abrotman | wow .. see .. testing and unstable have the same version .. thanks, have a nice day |
| 03:35.48 | nsadmin | the only 2.6 is in experimenta |
| 03:35.49 | nsadmin | l |
| 03:35.56 | ameyer | at this point, unstable's probably more obsolete than the latest stable version of u****u |
| 03:36.00 | abrotman | now will you quit this pinning nonsense |
| 03:36.02 | batcoder-7 | 2.6 >>> 2.4 |
| 03:36.15 | batcoder-7 | i'll get it |
| 03:36.22 | ameyer | since lenny's been frozen for quite a while |
| 03:36.23 | \amethyst | that's not unstable though |
| 03:36.26 | batcoder-7 | if you dont know abrotman 2.6 is 100x better then 2.4 |
| 03:36.27 | abrotman | the pinning with unstable won't help you |
| 03:36.29 | abrotman | you're not paying attentnion |
| 03:36.41 | batcoder-7 | sorry listen |
| 03:36.43 | batcoder-7 | experimental |
| 03:36.45 | abrotman | reading is hard, let's go shopping |
| 03:36.53 | batcoder-7 | sid |
| 03:36.56 | haqe17 | abrotman: could I have a little help with my command? "for i in $(ls) ; do ; cat i | grep swapon ; if $? == 0 ; echo i ; fi ; done" |
| 03:37.00 | batcoder-7 | i get the naming mixed up |
| 03:37.12 | ameyer | sid != experimental |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | haqe17: cd /etc/ ; grep -R swapon * ? |
| 03:37.24 | \amethyst | unstable is sid, experimental doesn't have a Toy Story name |
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| 03:37.40 | abrotman | haqe17: in /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | among others |
| 03:37.49 | ameyer | heck, even experimental's a bit behind the times. |
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| 03:38.36 | abrotman | haqe17: nice overkill though :) |
| 03:38.45 | nsadmin | for i in $(ls) can be rewritten for i in * |
| 03:38.49 | batcoder-7 | is lenny experimental ? |
| 03:38.54 | batcoder-7 | sid = unstable right ? |
| 03:39.01 | nsadmin | yes |
| 03:39.04 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 03:39.07 | batcoder-7 | ok got it |
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| 03:39.09 | ameyer | lenny == testing |
| 03:39.10 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 03:39.16 | nsadmin | lenny is not experimental tho |
| 03:39.18 | ameyer | sid == unstable |
| 03:39.24 | abrotman | debian.org/releases ? |
| 03:39.27 | ameyer | experimental == experimental |
| 03:39.27 | batcoder-7 | what is experimental ? |
| 03:39.33 | abrotman | it's not for you |
| 03:39.40 | batcoder-7 | lenny is teasting sid = unstable/experimental |
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| 03:39.45 | \amethyst | sid = unstable (always), lenny = testing (right now), and etch = stable (right now). experimental is an archive for packages that aren't even ready for unstable yet |
| 03:39.47 | nsadmin | it's even more unstable than unstable (typically) |
| 03:40.07 | batcoder-7 | ok |
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| 03:40.13 | nsadmin | I'm not even sure why they put packages there |
| 03:40.21 | abrotman | nsadmin: not for general consumption |
| 03:40.45 | nsadmin | still not sure but I dont' need to know right away |
| 03:40.48 | nsadmin | but... |
| 03:40.57 | \amethyst | nsadmin: because DDs usually run unstable and don't like having their machines broken all the time :) |
| 03:41.04 | nsadmin | batcoder-7 it used to be there wasn't a testing |
| 03:41.16 | nsadmin | it was just stable and unstable |
| 03:41.22 | abrotman | nsadmin: the packages are of questionable quality, or the DD wants to do the packages, but doesn't want everyone using them |
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| 03:41.49 | batcoder-7 | ah i see nsadmin |
| 03:41.53 | vinc456 | i'm seeing strange control characters when reading a textfile with "more" or "less". any ideas? they look like: it<92>s |
| 03:41.53 | ameyer | or unstable is frozen due to testing preparing for a release |
| 03:42.17 | nsadmin | they put testing in as a way to have a collection of packages to test to see if they're ready for release |
| 03:42.29 | nsadmin | one way: |
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| 03:42.32 | SQlvpapir | nsadmin: when did they introduce testing? |
| 03:42.34 | ameyer | suspects that has something to do with some of the current "experimental" packages |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | The experimental distribution is a special distribution. It is not a full distribution in the same sense as stable, testing and unstable are. Instead, it is meant to be a temporary staging area for highly experimental software where there's a good chance that the software could break your system, or software that's just too unstable even for the unstable distribution (but there is a reason to package it nevertheless). Users who downloa |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | d and install packages from experimental are expected to have been duly warned. In short, all bets are off for the experimental distribution. |
| 03:42.41 | \amethyst | vinc456: the text file is probably in Windows CP 1252 |
| 03:42.55 | mrselfpwn | ping gmms |
| 03:43.21 | nsadmin | if a package in unstable is bug-free for like 2 weeks, it "leaks" from unstable to testing automatically |
| 03:43.30 | abrotman | it's 2-10 days |
| 03:43.37 | ameyer | I thought it was 1- days |
| 03:43.43 | ameyer | erm 10 |
| 03:44.04 | nsadmin | oh so "approximately 10 days" |
| 03:44.04 | ameyer | although I think certain critical bugfixes can bypass that |
| 03:44.19 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#testing |
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| 03:44.35 | nsadmin | the bypassing is done by hand tho right? |
| 03:44.40 | abrotman | it can't have any newly discovered RC bugs also |
| 03:44.44 | \amethyst | vinc456: you can use iconv -f cp1252 -t utf-8 to convert it |
| 03:50.41 | vinc456 | \amethyst: it didn't work but i will fiddle around some more. thanks! |
| 03:50.41 | nsadmin | batcoder-7: the jist is... testing is normally more stable than sid, but since packages leak into it, that makes it a moving target... so it's still less stable than stable |
| 03:50.44 | nsadmin | another jist is... the version of gimp you |
| 03:50.44 | vinc456 | ah wait it did, it printed to stdout, how silly of me |
| 03:50.44 | vinc456 | \amethyst: thank you! |
| 03:50.44 | nsadmin | are interested in, is in experimental, which is not ready at all |
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| 03:50.44 | SQlvpapir | .. but lenny is frozen? |
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| 03:50.45 | nsadmin | I think it's luke warm |
| 03:50.45 | abrotman | it's frozen |
| 03:50.45 | craigevil | nsadmin: the version of gimp in exp works just fine, but using exp isnt something you want to do unless you are willing to accept breakage sometimes major |
| 03:50.45 | nsadmin | a lot of freeze exceptions have been granted... so it's not as frozen as you might think |
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| 03:51.11 | nsadmin | a lot of people think of a freeze as "GO AWAY, your package is NOT making it in, what we have now is probably going to be -released" |
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| 03:52.11 | abrotman | nsadmin: with 50-ish RC bugs left .. sounds about right |
| 03:52.34 | pickcoder | sub-100 eh |
| 03:52.56 | nsadmin | so you think we're getting close? |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | we've been close |
| 03:54.09 | daniit30o | has anyone here compiled buzztard under debian ? |
| 03:54.32 | nsadmin | have you? |
| 03:54.32 | abrotman | didn't you just ask that? |
| 03:54.38 | newsense | ask on oftc #debian |
| 03:54.50 | newsense | haha |
| 03:55.25 | nsadmin | if you say yes, then I'll say yes too |
| 03:55.38 | newsense | abrotman, move your monitor away from the mirror thats all |
| 03:55.56 | abrotman | he did just ask there |
| 03:56.26 | daniit30o | i asked on irc.debain & irc.freenode on #debian i thought, im not so irc-literate |
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| 03:57.20 | newsense | lots of people ask in 20 channels and 10 different networks all the time we get used to it |
| 03:57.20 | nsadmin | so have you tried? |
| 03:57.53 | daniit30o | i am trying to |
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| 03:59.18 | nsadmin | the less information you supply, the more I can sit back and relax :) |
| 03:59.59 | ryanhaigh | ok i deleted the entries from fstab and the duplicates disapeared |
| 04:00.17 | ryanhaigh | but after reboot my drives aren't mounted and i don't have permission to mount them |
| 04:00.43 | nsadmin | ugh |
| 04:00.54 | nsadmin | do you have a backup of your fstab? |
| 04:01.01 | ryanhaigh | so it seems gnomevfs (or whatever is deciding what items go in the places sidebar) is reading info from 2 locations |
| 04:01.26 | \amethyst | both /etc/passwd and hal maybe? |
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| 04:01.37 | \amethyst | which entries were duplicated: all of them, or just removable media? |
| 04:01.55 | ryanhaigh | strangely enough only internal ones |
| 04:02.04 | ryanhaigh | sata though |
| 04:02.13 | ryanhaigh | the usb device didn't have dupes |
| 04:04.14 | ryanhaigh | nsadmin: sorry, not deleted just commented out |
| 04:04.16 | daniit30o | i need to install "glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 gthread-2.0 gmodule-2.0"; and can't figure out exactly what to install to, well install them.. (i.e. libglrr-gobject0 for gobject-2.0 ?) |
| 04:04.39 | ryanhaigh | just uncommented them and the dupes are back |
| 04:04.47 | abrotman | daniit30o: like libglib2.0-dev .. apt-cache -- search glib -dev .. get it ? |
| 04:05.38 | ryanhaigh | clicking the first or second mounts the partition, clicking the dupe (eg. Disk (2)) then says cannot mount as already mounted |
| 04:08.23 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: are they mounted by UUID= in fstab? |
| 04:08.43 | ryanhaigh | no i am using LABEL |
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| 04:10.48 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: that does seem to be the problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396215 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357156 |
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| 04:13.49 | ryanhaigh | i don't really know where to go with this, the only info i can get is monitoring dbus and this is what i get after restarting nautilus |
| 04:13.50 | ryanhaigh | http://paste.debian.net/26033/ |
| 04:14.20 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: the issue is that gnome-vfs doesn't know about LABEL= and UUID= and thinks they're different devices |
| 04:15.08 | ryanhaigh | ok so i guess i should just go back to using /dev/sdXX then |
| 04:15.55 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: well, LABEL= or UUID= is better, and you'd want to go back once the bug in gnome is fixed |
| 04:16.03 | ryanhaigh | i was just worried about drives receiving different assignments as it used to happen with ubuntu and i was told its a kernel issue |
| 04:16.44 | newsense | ryanhaigh, use udev rules to use persistand dev entries |
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| 04:18.29 | newsense | ryanhaigh, or just create sy,links, for example i have symlinks for a 4G usb drive that always has a synlink to /dev/4G no matter what /dev/* device node udv assigna |
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| 04:19.03 | \amethyst | newsense: I think fstab mounting by symlinks causes the same problem with nautilus that UUID= and LABEL= does |
| 04:19.41 | ryanhaigh | should /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules take care of persistent storage devices or will i have to put something together myself? |
| 04:20.14 | newsense | \amethyst, only problem i have had with mounting symlinks was with udev running after after mount -a in init.d at runlenel0 |
| 04:20.40 | \amethyst | newsense: did you use Gnome and nautilus? |
| 04:20.50 | newsense | just added an init.d entry to run after udev running a script calling mount -a again |
| 04:21.26 | newsense | \amethyst, wouldnt atter cause the drive would be mounted before x started |
| 04:21.48 | \amethyst | newsense: it was being mounted correctly |
| 04:21.55 | \amethyst | newsense: it's that nautilus was displaying it twice |
| 04:22.49 | ryanhaigh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396215 suggests i should take out the 'user' mount option, i am going to try that now |
| 04:22.49 | newsense | \amethyst, sorry i missed that somehow |
| 04:22.49 | \amethyst | newsense: once for the mounted fs, and once for the entry in /etc/fstab; because it couldn't tell that they were talking about the same fs |
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| 04:22.57 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: that hides the problem rather than fixing it |
| 04:23.11 | newsense | \amethyst, im not following you |
| 04:23.23 | newsense | <\amethyst> newsense: once for the mounted fs, and once for the entry in /etc/fstab; because it couldn't tell that they were talking about the same fs |
| 04:23.45 | \amethyst | newsense: the fstab entry says LABEL=foo (or /dev/disk/by-label/foo) |
| 04:24.18 | \amethyst | newsense: but the output of `mount` shows the real device (/dev/sdb2 or whatever) |
| 04:24.19 | newsense | no uuid= entry ? |
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| 04:25.06 | \amethyst | newsense: and gnome-vfs isn't smart enough to follow symlinks and discover that /dev/disk/by-label/foo is the same as /dev/sdb2 so it lists noth |
| 04:25.06 | newsense | \amethyst, what do you have for the partition in fstab exactly ? |
| 04:25.23 | newsense | ok i got ya now |
| 04:25.48 | newsense | \amethyst, you talking about nautilis ? |
| 04:26.07 | ryanhaigh | ok well that has done it, i guess i can live with not being able to unmount them as the normal user |
| 04:26.13 | newsense | or whatever the gnome filemanager is called |
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| 04:27.11 | ryanhaigh | i prefer that to having to worry about devices changing or putting together udev rules |
| 04:27.17 | \amethyst | newsense: yes, or in GNOME file dialogs |
| 04:27.20 | ryanhaigh | thanks for the help |
| 04:28.22 | newsense | \amethyst, you might want to ask in #gnome just cause it seems like a gnome issue |
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| 04:29.01 | ryanhaigh | i asked in gnome, no one replied with anything, debian channel 1, gnome 0 |
| 04:29.01 | \amethyst | newsense: it is, it's gnome-vfs. there's a bugreport filed upstream as well as two (now merged) in Debian |
| 04:29.08 | newsense | \amethyst, most likely somethin you can fix if you modify hals rulew |
| 04:29.23 | \amethyst | newsense: it's not hal---lshal only shows the fs once |
| 04:29.56 | \amethyst | newsense: the GNOME bug report has a patch, but I haven't tried it |
| 04:30.01 | newsense | \amethyst, well hal might have a part in it udev as well |
| 04:30.04 | _2 | hmmm installing k3b says "Need to get 50.0MB/50.1MB of archives" i like k3b but not enough to tie up a modem for a week ... |
| 04:30.41 | moqq | haha who uses modems?! |
| 04:31.13 | _2 | moqq people on dialup |
| 04:31.30 | newsense | \amethyst, hal and udev have a part in the whole process so it being shown twice will i would assume be remedied with a hal or udev rule modification |
| 04:33.44 | moqq | _2: yeah, i didn't know anyone still was on dialup |
| 04:33.50 | moqq | _2: it's just so silly! |
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| 04:33.55 | varney | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.22 | \amethyst | newsense: gnome-vfs is getting its info by reading /etc/fstab and /proc/mounts |
| 04:34.40 | newsense | surprisingly lots of people use sialu |
| 04:35.22 | newsense | \amethyst, where do you think gnome is getting the info |
| 04:35.37 | newsense | hal udev dbus i would assume |
| 04:35.56 | \amethyst | newsense: it's getting the info from getmntent() on /etc/fstab and /proc/mounts; I'm looking at the code right now |
| 04:36.27 | newsense | ok if you got the code ou know why its seeing it twice case closed |
| 04:36.40 | ryanhaigh | \amethyst: any mention in there about hiding internal drives from the desktop :-D |
| 04:36.41 | newsense | next problem |
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| 04:38.55 | newtothis18 | umm all I really would like to know is how to hack? with great skill preferably, to gain a job with the FBI, i know they sometimes pick up extreme hackers instead of sending them to jail. |
| 04:39.17 | newtothis18 | oh, and i don't know any weird codes. im completely new to all of this. so dumb it down if you can |
| 04:39.18 | _2 | moqq silly is as silly does |
| 04:39.23 | _2 | i guess |
| 04:39.34 | newtothis18 | mhm. very helpful i see. |
| 04:40.26 | Creepers_ | how to hack? lol |
| 04:40.32 | pickcoder | newtothis18: firsly, try asking in #freenode |
| 04:40.51 | pickcoder | ~firstly |
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| 04:41.07 | Creepers_ | right click -> view source -> elite haqwer |
| 04:41.15 | newtothis18 | ah i definately would try asking in #freenode if i knew what it was |
| 04:41.30 | pickcoder | it's a chat room like this of course |
| 04:41.37 | _2 | channel |
| 04:41.47 | _2 | /join #freenode |
| 04:41.53 | pickcoder | "channel" is for the IRC elite |
| 04:41.59 | newtothis18 | how do i join? |
| 04:42.14 | pickcoder | you want to hack and you can't even join an IRC channel? |
| 04:42.20 | _2 | answering before the question is for... |
| 04:42.24 | pickcoder | stops feeding the troll |
| 04:42.56 | newtothis18 | i believe i stated when i first got in here that i know nothing about hacking. or what IRC mean or freenode or anything of the sort. |
| 04:43.29 | newsense | man i wish i cold hack into el burrito loco and have them send me a big burrito with some chips and salsa |
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| 04:43.50 | newtothis18 | if it's a restaruant why don't you just try calling them. |
| 04:44.06 | _2 | newsense you can do that with a cellphone |
| 04:44.27 | _2 | types to slowly ;/ |
| 04:44.27 | newsense | yeah but ill ask the l33t hacker do do some social hacking for me |
| 04:45.12 | newsense | my brother knows how to hak he good |
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| 04:45.39 | newsense | this is his omputer and he had all kinds of cool stuff |
| 04:45.48 | newtothis18 | well if he good. whow about he helps me. i'm only 19 and as you can tell by my name, i am new to this. |
| 04:46.12 | pickcoder | newtothis18: do you have a Debian question? |
| 04:46.13 | newsense | im 20 and i barelt knoe how to use cp |
| 04:46.18 | _2 | where in the gnome menu did they hide the gnome-terminal in lenny ? |
| 04:46.37 | newtothis18 | umm what a Debian question? |
| 04:46.46 | newsense | gnomes ? |
| 04:46.50 | sajes | smells trolls. |
| 04:46.56 | pickcoder | then please go babble elsewhere like #debian-offtopic |
| 04:47.05 | newsense | what kind of people are you ? |
| 04:47.20 | _2 | where ? |
| 04:47.22 | newtothis18 | aww pickcoder. you don't seem very fond of me. its a shame too. |
| 04:47.38 | newtothis18 | i do have a question though. |
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| 04:47.54 | newsense | i have a question |
| 04:47.59 | newtothis18 | whats yours? |
| 04:48.19 | newsense | where is the best web page for n |
| 04:48.34 | _2 | i thought it should be under apps > sys tools > but nothing anyone ? |
| 04:48.39 | newtothis18 | couldn't tell ya |
| 04:48.47 | sajes | _2: .. Press alt+f2 and type gnome-terminal. |
| 04:49.09 | newsense | it makes a thing |
| 04:49.48 | _2 | sajes /me thinks you are saying "make sure it's installed" good answer if so. |
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| 04:50.31 | newtothis18 | _2, you seem pretty smart and your attitude towards me is pretty okay right now. Can you help me ? |
| 04:50.57 | _2 | sajes ok. good call, upgrading to lenny from etch removed gnome-terminal. |
| 04:51.13 | _2 | newtothis18 that's too much sugger for a dime. |
| 04:51.58 | newsense | apologizes for the last 20 minutes, i stepped out to get my drunk brother some food and he apparently jacked my irc session, i forgot to lock the session |
| 04:52.06 | newtothis18 | oh, i'm sure it is. my question has to be one of the hardest things to figure out since i know oh so much about computers. seriously it'll probably take you two seconds. |
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| 04:52.59 | newsense | at leasy i didnt receive a ban |
| 04:53.04 | _2 | grumbles it has taken 50X that long in waiting for a real question already |
| 04:53.16 | newtothis18 | haa i didn't know you would help. |
| 04:53.18 | newsense | h /s/leasy/least |
| 04:53.30 | newtothis18 | i need to acess somebody's e mail. |
| 04:53.46 | _2 | newtothis18 ask them to forward it to you. |
| 04:53.58 | _2 | !NEXT |
| 04:53.59 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 04:54.02 | nsadmin | newtothis18: why? |
| 04:54.53 | nsadmin | who is it and what is your relation to them? |
| 04:55.02 | newtothis18 | es is cheating on my mom. their in a custody hearing and if she can prove hes been buying things online and such she gets my little brother. |
| 04:55.59 | tarzeau | what's fensterscheibe in english? |
| 04:56.11 | Ace2016_- | the applications in /usr/local/bin overrides /usr/bin right? so if i run kwrite the kwrite in /usr/bin will run unless there is one in /usr/local/bin/kwrite |
| 04:56.12 | Ace2016_- | ? |
| 04:56.26 | newtothis18 | here is a proposistion. somebody tell me how to get into his e mail, so i can see what i want and prove some stuuf and i'll leave you guys alone. |
| 04:56.36 | \amethyst | tarzeau: window pane |
| 04:56.46 | nsadmin | so if you were to ask him "can I look at your email" he'd say no? |
| 04:57.06 | _2 | Ace2016_- path is sorted/hashed in order |
| 04:57.09 | newtothis18 | yes. they are seperated. i'm the bitchy step daughter. |
| 04:58.06 | _2 | Ace2016_- so if your $PATH shows /usr/bin before /bin then things in /usr/bin will be matched first, and first match stops the search. |
| 04:58.28 | tarzeau | \amethyst: thanks |
| 04:58.29 | Ace2016_- | _2: thanks |
| 04:58.34 | _2 | welcome |
| 04:58.35 | pickcoder | newtothis18: after you kidnap the suspect PC and install Debian on it.. come back by here. |
| 04:58.44 | pickcoder | otherwise please go elsewhere |
| 04:58.51 | newtothis18 | thanks |
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| 05:03.01 | _2 | blasted upgrade... i fixed this mouse error the other day, and now it's back. i think an apt-get update+upgrade unfixed it for me. i recall what i did, i added a module to the /etc/modules file but i don't remember the name. ;/ |
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| 05:03.18 | pickcoder | psmouse? |
| 05:04.04 | pickcoder | I highly doubt an upgrade would have undone your modules file |
| 05:04.15 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: hm |
| 05:04.23 | _2 | maybe evdev ? |
| 05:04.38 | pickcoder | I remember something like that yeah |
| 05:04.39 | _2 | but for some reason it's not helping this time |
| 05:04.54 | pickcoder | well what was in the upgrade? |
| 05:05.15 | _2 | just the normal patches |
| 05:05.41 | _2 | error messages in dmesg repete lots of "[ 2585.679510] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte #" |
| 05:06.18 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: it looks like the version of gnome-vfs in lenny should have the patch (the one from ubuntu) to fix UUID= mounting, but it doesn't fix LABEL= mounting or symlinks in fstab |
| 05:06.42 | batcoder-7 | what does contrib mean in the sources.list ? |
| 05:07.35 | pickcoder | _2: i8042.nomux=1 in boot param maybe? |
| 05:07.50 | _2 | i can try it |
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| 05:08.35 | pickcoder | put it in the grub boot options |
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| 05:08.51 | pickcoder | end of the kopt line |
| 05:08.54 | pickcoder | reboot it |
| 05:09.05 | batcoder-7 | when i search for it but i am looking for what actually contrib means in a sources.list ? |
| 05:10.09 | _2 | pickcoder rebooting now. "lilo = linux boot loader" |
| 05:10.18 | pickcoder | lilo? |
| 05:10.21 | pickcoder | ok.. |
| 05:10.30 | _2 | yeah, can't use grub it's too weak |
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| 05:10.50 | batcoder-7 | whats wrong with grub ? |
| 05:10.57 | SerajewelKS | damn, ntfs-3g is slow when doing massive writes |
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| 05:10.59 | batcoder-7 | although i did use Lilo for a very long time |
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| 05:11.08 | _2 | too weak, like i said. |
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| 05:11.23 | pickcoder | I love the drive mapping in grub |
| 05:11.32 | nsadmin | that would be a troll, unless you back up your statememt |
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| 05:12.07 | sexpanther-work | MOTHAFUCKAS |
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| 05:12.18 | pickcoder | I used lilo from slack 3.0 until I moved to Woody |
| 05:12.22 | _2 | nsadmin then let it be a troll. i have nothing to prove, and i've been through this convo until it hurts. |
| 05:12.24 | SerajewelKS | i make pretty good spaghetti sauce, muthafucka |
| 05:12.44 | _2 | but, for the sake of any that really want to know. grub requires a partition |
| 05:13.10 | nsadmin | it would probably be better if you didn't make statements obviously meant to start "conversations" |
| 05:13.35 | nsadmin | actually it doesn't, but that's ok |
| 05:13.53 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it doesn't? where does it load stage2 from? |
| 05:14.01 | ryanhaigh | \amethyst: thanks for checking into that, but i have had problems in the past with UUIDs, I think I will stick with the workaround using LABEL |
| 05:14.21 | nsadmin | could load stage2 as a drive chainload |
| 05:14.30 | _2 | nsadmin i'm all ears if you can walk me thorugh a grub install on sda with no partition |
| 05:14.33 | nsadmin | chainload on sector 1 |
| 05:14.53 | ryanhaigh | also that bug report i linked to was referring to UUID and user |
| 05:15.09 | nsadmin | no that's ok, if lilo is working for you, go ahead and use that |
| 05:15.19 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: IIRC, stage1 loads stage1.5, which is located after the MBR, and stage1.5 loads stage2 from a partition |
| 05:15.22 | newsense | anyone here use logcheck ? |
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| 05:15.38 | ryanhaigh | \amethyst: if it has been addressed maybe the bug can be closed |
| 05:15.39 | _2 | nsadmin right. |
| 05:15.42 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: i could be wrong, i'm just curious if i missed something |
| 05:15.58 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS: grub is more flexible than that, that's one of many ways it can load |
| 05:16.07 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: ah, ok |
| 05:16.12 | nsadmin | the stage1.5 could have been a stage2 |
| 05:16.15 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: I'm trying out a patch that should fix the problem |
| 05:16.30 | TwistOfFate | is debian 5.0 close to release? |
| 05:17.03 | pickcoder | TwistOfFate: bugs.debian.org look at RC bugs affecting release |
| 05:17.06 | nsadmin | TwistOfFate: I heard earlier there are fewer than 50 release critical bugs |
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| 05:17.22 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: compiling right now |
| 05:17.41 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: presumably in that case though, you won't have any OSes in the list, right, because it would also need to read a config file from somewhere? |
| 05:18.15 | _2 | pickcoder thanks much that seems to have done the trick. |
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| 05:18.46 | nsadmin | also more flexible than that... that's one of at least two ways... the one you didn't mention is grub booting into its shell |
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| 05:19.02 | pickcoder | _2: welcome |
| 05:19.15 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: right, that's it it fails to load stage1.5 or stage2 |
| 05:19.20 | _2 | nsadmin installing it is the catch. |
| 05:19.32 | nsadmin | the shell is in the stage2 |
| 05:20.18 | nsadmin | so if it fails to load those, it fails :) |
| 05:20.48 | _2 | while there are surely ways to do so. dd maybe i failed to find any way, short of hand editing the mbr, to install grub to sda |
| 05:20.56 | nsadmin | but if it fails to load the config file it is supposed to, then it could drop into its shell |
| 05:21.00 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: then the wikipedia article needs some work :) |
| 05:21.23 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: "GRUB's configuration file, stage2 (usually), and other files must be in a usable partition. If these files or the partition become unavailable stage1 will drop the user to the command line interface." |
| 05:21.35 | nsadmin | _2: yes true. |
| 05:21.46 | nsadmin | it' |
| 05:21.49 | nsadmin | err |
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| 05:22.04 | nsadmin | it's equating stage2 with the config file? |
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| 05:22.46 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it's a list: (1) conf file, (2) stage2, (3) other files |
| 05:22.54 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: other files being a splash image etc |
| 05:22.58 | nsadmin | stage1 is the boot sector |
| 05:23.08 | SerajewelKS | facepalm |
| 05:23.13 | nsadmin | stage2 is actually grub including its shell |
| 05:23.36 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: let me annotate it: "(1) GRUB's configuration file, (2) stage2, and (3) other files must be in a usable partition." |
| 05:23.44 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it's not equating stage2 to the configuration |
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| 05:24.11 | _2 | seriously though, i'm up for an adventure, nsadmin if you can suggest a way to install it. (just a note, but if i do install it i'll have to set the initramfs to mount using the second superblock, cause grub's mbr will spill over into the first fs's superblock) |
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| 05:24.41 | nsadmin | stage1,5 as you correctly stated, can (optionally) be used to boot stage2... the thing is that both stage1.5 and stage2 are the same kind of image/file and they boot the same, so stage1 can boot either |
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| 05:25.35 | nsadmin | if you want stage2 to be a file, then you need stage1.5 which has support for a particular file system |
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| 05:25.57 | SerajewelKS | right, so the article is incorrect then? |
| 05:26.07 | nsadmin | if it's ok to chainload stage2, then you don't need stage1.5 |
| 05:26.51 | nsadmin | the article is probably correct as far as it goes... the only incorrectness is that it doesn't enumerate all the possibilities |
| 05:27.05 | _2 | wouldn't the only way to chainload be to have that file start at sector 1 ? |
| 05:27.27 | nsadmin | of either the whole drive or a primary partition, yes. |
| 05:28.05 | _2 | nsadmin for the sake of argument, lets assume that all my posts will refer to a partitionless hd |
| 05:28.07 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: so then stage1 can drop to a shell if stage2 can't be loaded? |
| 05:28.32 | batcoder-7 | just curious when i added unstable and i gave testing all the highest priority and when i ran apt0get update and apt-get upgrade as lenny has priority it shouldnt update anything except one package libdb4 |
| 05:28.35 | batcoder-7 | that is random ? |
| 05:28.39 | nsadmin | stage1 is probably not big enough to contain a shell (it's just a boot sector) |
| 05:29.01 | nsadmin | so, on |
| 05:29.04 | nsadmin | er |
| 05:29.07 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: then what does this mean? "If these files or the partition become unavailable stage1 will drop the user to the command line interface." |
| 05:29.09 | nsadmin | so, no |
| 05:29.26 | nsadmin | well ok, so that's incorrect :) |
| 05:29.38 | nsadmin | it would be correct to say something like... |
| 05:29.57 | batcoder-7 | apt-get doesnt have -t anymore ? |
| 05:30.02 | batcoder-7 | what is the new equiv ? |
| 05:30.16 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: apt-get should still have -t |
| 05:30.22 | craigevil | yes it does, apt-get install -t backport.org etc |
| 05:30.26 | batcoder-7 | apt-get -h doesnt show -t there anymore |
| 05:30.41 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: fixed it! |
| 05:30.48 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: did it ever show -t? |
| 05:30.52 | _2 | batcoder-7 E: Option -t requires an argument. |
| 05:30.53 | batcoder-7 | i dont know |
| 05:30.55 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: apt-get -h shows a summary of options |
| 05:30.58 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: man apt-get |
| 05:31.13 | _2 | batcoder-7 so the option is still there |
| 05:31.18 | nsadmin | "one way grub can be loaded at boot time, is through the use of stage1.5 whose purpose is to locate the stage2 on a partition. (more) |
| 05:31.35 | nsadmin | let me change that a bit |
| 05:31.57 | nsadmin | "one way grub can be loaded at boot time, is through the use of stage1.5 whose purpose is to locate the stage2 on a partition, by the name of a file that contains it. (more) |
| 05:32.29 | _2 | again you are requiring a partition ^ |
| 05:32.51 | nsadmin | If grub is arranged in this way, there must be a partition to contain stage2." |
| 05:33.03 | nsadmin | next paragraph... |
| 05:33.11 | SerajewelKS | _2: he's not talking to you |
| 05:33.53 | _2 | SerajewelKS didn't say he was |
| 05:34.35 | nsadmin | _2: in that particular scenario, yes, it does require a partition and a filesystem in that partition, and there are restrictions as to what kind of filesystem it is. |
| 05:35.05 | nsadmin | but there's more... |
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| 05:36.32 | nsadmin | "There are (at least :) two ways to boot grub without a stage1.5, one of those is to write stage1 to a primary partition boot sector and stage2 chainloaded from sector one of that partition (more) |
| 05:36.36 | batcoder-7 | wtf? apt-get -t unstable install gimp is still giving me 2.4 man o man |
| 05:36.46 | nsadmin | _2: stioo requires a partition... but wait :) |
| 05:36.48 | batcoder-7 | i have my pinning setup right |
| 05:37.41 | batcoder-7 | this is wierd |
| 05:38.35 | nsadmin | or stage1 can be on the MBR of the drive, and stage2 can be written to the chainload section of the whole drive (which I think is sector 1 thru sector 64... sector 65 would be where the first primary partition would start |
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| 05:39.19 | nsadmin | this last one does -not- require a partition in order to boot grub itself |
| 05:40.15 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: because sid has 2.4 too |
| 05:40.17 | batcoder-7 | any ideas? |
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| 05:40.27 | batcoder-7 | ooo |
| 05:40.35 | batcoder-7 | which as 2.6? |
| 05:40.36 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: 'apt-cache policy gimp' |
| 05:40.38 | batcoder-7 | i am an idiot |
| 05:40.40 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: experimental |
| 05:40.41 | _2 | nsadmin but does require using something like dd to install grub |
| 05:40.45 | nsadmin | experimental |
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| 05:41.02 | batcoder-7 | i am an idiot |
| 05:41.12 | batcoder-7 | why has it not made it to unstable yet? |
| 05:41.18 | nsadmin | you said that already :) |
| 05:41.27 | batcoder-7 | whats taking so long ? |
| 05:41.31 | craigevil | because of the freeze in testing |
| 05:41.33 | nsadmin | you'd have to ask the maint... |
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| 05:42.05 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: unstable and testing are in freeze for RC bug fixing, then a release |
| 05:42.11 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: then it will be unfrozen |
| 05:42.21 | nsadmin | or because most maints are focusing on getting lenny out |
| 05:42.57 | nsadmin | _2: the grub shell has an install command |
| 05:43.04 | nsadmin | but I guess you could use dd |
| 05:43.04 | batcoder-7 | i see |
| 05:43.13 | batcoder-7 | you would think it would have made it into unstable atleast |
| 05:43.28 | SerajewelKS | batcoder-7: no, because unstable packages migrate to testing |
| 05:43.38 | _2 | nsadmin but it wont install to (hd0) with root (hd0) i've tried |
| 05:43.48 | nsadmin | if that effort and time were spent on it |
| 05:44.00 | nsadmin | why not? and how are you trying? |
| 05:44.38 | _2 | nsadmin with the grub shell it fails and refuses to install to hd without any partition |
| 05:44.46 | SerajewelKS | jeez, ntfs-3g has 30 mins of cpu time already just creating some zeroed 15gb file |
| 05:44.52 | _2 | i have also tried with the grub tools |
| 05:45.07 | nsadmin | what exactly are you trying from the grub shell? |
| 05:45.23 | nsadmin | it's never refused me |
| 05:45.42 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: that's what she said |
| 05:46.05 | nsadmin | yeah well... what can I say? :) |
| 05:46.09 | _2 | nsadmin you have never tried to install it on a partitionless system |
| 05:46.50 | nsadmin | show the command |
| 05:47.26 | _2 | thinks back 3 years to when he tried all this for three days |
| 05:47.43 | nsadmin | you could try: |
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| 05:48.13 | _2 | ok. like i said if you want to "walk me thorugh it" i'll give it another shot. |
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| 05:50.10 | batcoder-7 | my experimental gimp wont install due to it needs python-gtk2 in experimental i guess, apt-get -t experimental install gimp << i thought it would grab all the depencies ? |
| 05:51.08 | _2 | wonders how he is going to get the stage2 into the area that the ext3 superblock now occupies tho |
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| 05:52.21 | craigevil | batcoder-7: apt-get install -t experimental gimp gives me > The following NEW packages will be installed: gimp gimp-data libbabl-0.0-0 libgegl-0.0-0 libgimp2.0 libpoppler-glib3 libwebkit-1.0-1 |
| 05:52.35 | batcoder-7 | i get this |
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| 05:54.51 | batcoder-7 | craigevil, it works in aptitude but not in apt-get |
| 05:54.53 | batcoder-7 | interesting |
| 05:55.33 | batcoder-7 | why is that ? |
| 05:56.07 | batcoder-7 | yea aptitude worked fine |
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| 05:56.17 | _2 | nsadmin ok, i have installed package grub. and am in the grub shell what now ? |
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| 05:57.32 | batcoder-7 | i really wish aptitude had a autoremove |
| 05:57.42 | sajes | batcoder-7: It does.. |
| 05:57.53 | batcoder-7 | i see it has autoclean |
| 05:57.55 | _2 | entered root (hd0) reports Filesystem type unknown, using whole disk nsadmin waiting on you. |
| 05:57.58 | batcoder-7 | but not autoremove hmmm |
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| 05:58.33 | nsadmin | try: |
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| 05:58.47 | nsadmin | wait |
| 05:58.48 | nsadmin | where |
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| 05:58.56 | nsadmin | is yhour stage1 and 2? |
| 05:59.12 | _2 | in /boot/grub/ on sda |
| 05:59.22 | _2 | ext3 fs |
| 05:59.30 | nsadmin | os that (hd0)? |
| 05:59.44 | _2 | yep it's the only hd in the lappy |
| 05:59.49 | nsadmin | ok |
| 05:59.59 | nsadmin | so you should be able to try... |
| 06:00.16 | _2 | expects to have to reinstall after this goes south... |
| 06:00.19 | nsadmin | install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 |
| 06:00.20 | K_Sakura | If one wants to have both multiple monitors and TTYs, is it possible? |
| 06:00.36 | _2 | Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition |
| 06:00.50 | _2 | i copied and pasted what you said and then what it said |
| 06:01.05 | nsadmin | so grub is trying to mount (hd0)? |
| 06:01.17 | _2 | i would hope so |
| 06:01.39 | nsadmin | it's mounted tho... that's stupid of it :) |
| 06:01.50 | _2 | i agree |
| 06:01.53 | batcoder-7 | what is the aptitude equiv of apt-get autoremove ? |
| 06:02.00 | _2 | that "weak of it too" |
| 06:02.22 | _2 | that's |
| 06:04.01 | _2 | going for a soda, back in 2 minutes or less, that will give you time to think on this nsadmin |
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| 06:07.12 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.29 | _2 | nsadmin waiting on your next command |
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| 06:11.17 | _2 | grub> find /bo |
| 06:11.17 | _2 | Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition |
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| 06:12.33 | christoz | good morning, I have serious problems with both of my browsers (epiphany, Iceweasel). So many crashes in a small space of time doesn't represent the stabilit of debian distros. What can i do? |
| 06:12.40 | christoz | I'm using debian lenny |
| 06:12.49 | christoz | stability* |
| 06:13.45 | _2 | nsadmin are you still with me ? |
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| 06:21.50 | _2 | in the mean time, where to set all fonts in gnome ? |
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| 06:22.24 | bmoll8 | _2: .fontrc |
| 06:22.46 | _2 | bmoll8 umm k |
| 06:22.50 | bmoll8 | there is an article about it; just google--add a few lines to your .fontrc, and everything will look wonderful |
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| 06:22.59 | bmoll8 | antialiasing, etc |
| 06:23.23 | Zharf | how can anything look wonderful in gnome? |
| 06:23.24 | _2 | general size in particular |
| 06:24.08 | _2 | bmoll8 if i creat that file can you give an example of setting the size for all fonts ? |
| 06:25.35 | bmoll8 | http://hints.cross-lfs.org/index.php/Improve_Your_Fonts |
| 06:26.08 | bmoll8 | does anyone know if the wrt54g wireless adapter is supported in debian (the hardware support page doesn't say). The adapter works fine right out of the box in freebsd |
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| 06:27.16 | Zharf | try it? |
| 06:27.34 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: unfortunatly, there's no way to tell, because the wrt54g adapter has multiple chipsets |
| 06:27.54 | dondelelcaro | bmoll8: that said, you can easily shove it into a box and find the real chipset (most common wireless cards just work) |
| 06:28.03 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, work once you've got the firmware) |
| 06:28.11 | _2 | font size is not mentioned in that artical at all |
| 06:28.22 | _2 | maybe i am missing something |
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| 06:28.45 | bmoll8 | _2: that's a starting pont |
| 06:29.04 | bmoll8 | _2: the point is, you can simply edit .fontrc for all your needs, including font size |
| 06:29.10 | paynito | led |
| 06:29.29 | _2 | bmoll8 that's great, now what's the keyword ? |
| 06:29.34 | _2 | size ? |
| 06:29.40 | bmoll8 | _2: dude, google |
| 06:30.00 | bmoll8 | _2: I don't know off of the top of my head; you will learn by googling and visiting various forums |
| 06:30.07 | bmoll8 | _2: put yourself on a mailing list as well |
| 06:30.40 | _2 | no i will waste hours by googling, but thanks. you did more than you had to. |
| 06:30.47 | paynito | i don't have /sbin ifconfig how can i get my local ip? |
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| 06:31.53 | _2 | paynito find / -iname ifconfig* |
| 06:31.53 | paynito | using xfce on a 4 gig hdd |
| 06:31.59 | bmoll8 | I am looking to install a desktop environment for my new debian box. I have used gnome (didn't like it; seemed to vomit conf files everywhere), and fluxbox (liked it a lot). I am looking for something with a bit more eye-candy than enlightenment, but runs close to as smoothly as fluxbox. What recommendations do you have? |
| 06:32.00 | DJCiP | looking for a serverside software to manage remote calendars and task lists and will work with outlook 2007 - anyone know of anything that would point me in the right direction ? |
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| 06:33.21 | batcoder-7 | whats your guys favorite editor ? |
| 06:33.36 | Zharf | !start an editor war |
| 06:33.36 | dpkg | http://xkcd.com/378/ bites |
| 06:33.47 | batcoder-7 | heh |
| 06:34.05 | _2 | bmoll8 kde3 |
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| 06:35.38 | bmoll8 | Zharf: vim of course |
| 06:35.46 | Zharf | indeed |
| 06:35.49 | _2 | pico |
| 06:35.51 | Zharf | is off to sleep |
| 06:35.52 | bmoll8 | _2: does it run smoothly? |
| 06:36.12 | bmoll8 | _2: Gnome was a bit slow on my old box, with 512 Ram and 40 gigs of hd space |
| 06:36.27 | bmoll8 | _2: fluxbox on the other hand ran like a dream, but it is definitely more lightweight |
| 06:36.28 | _2 | bmoll8 the installations i have messed with, on systems of p1 100mhz or higher yes. |
| 06:37.02 | bmoll8 | _2: and where does it place all it's config files? in a .kde directory? or does it just spew them everywhere like gnome |
| 06:37.09 | _2 | yep |
| 06:37.28 | _2 | well maybe i should answer both question. yes and no |
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| 06:38.46 | _2 | nsadmin ? |
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| 06:39.32 | _2 | nsadmin can i say "i told you so" yet ? :) |
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| 06:48.30 | paynito | my fav editors are vim and bbedit |
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| 06:48.53 | geaaru | hi, how can i disable password authentication for command su when i am root? Because there are somes daemon like amavisd and clamav that |
| 06:49.07 | geaaru | use su to start daemon with correct user but |
| 06:49.33 | geaaru | init script wait for a password because for su |
| 06:49.40 | geaaru | how can i resolve this? |
| 06:49.44 | geaaru | thanks in advance |
| 06:52.09 | _2 | deleting the root password and locking the account should achieve that |
| 06:52.19 | _2 | sudo passwd -dl root |
| 06:53.17 | _2 | i'm not sure why clamav wont run for root so not sure about that one. |
| 06:54.32 | zamba | being on the inside of a network, is it possible to figure out if nat routing is used in the first few hops? |
| 06:54.40 | _2 | at any rate. keep one root shell open while testing all that. so you have a way to undo things |
| 06:54.52 | zamba | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.52 | zamba | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.52 | zamba | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.52 | zamba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:54.58 | zamba | sorry :) |
| 06:55.00 | geaaru | maybe i found... i relative to a configuration param on su file under |
| 06:55.05 | geaaru | /etc/pam.d |
| 06:55.07 | geaaru | directory |
| 06:55.08 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/m4df956bc |
| 06:55.13 | geaaru | thanks for support |
| 06:55.15 | zamba | i have stuff like that the first few hops |
| 06:57.19 | _2 | why does "trace<tab>" only show things that end in .db ? |
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| 06:57.48 | omid8bimo | hey guys, sometimes my hdd starts working hard and i don't know why, and slows down the system. how can i find out what is eating my harddisk I/O? |
| 06:58.37 | _2 | omid8bimo sounds like "updatedb" use top or some other proccess monitoring tool |
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| 06:59.18 | _2 | omid8bimo if you use crond it's probably something like updatedb |
| 06:59.19 | omid8bimo | _2: which feild should i check in top? |
| 06:59.52 | _2 | on an somewhat idle system, the first line |
| 07:00.05 | _2 | of processes ^ |
| 07:00.47 | omid8bimo | _2: when i check crontab -l it says i have no crontab |
| 07:01.00 | omid8bimo | does this mean no process is configured for cron? |
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| 07:01.14 | _2 | it wont be yours it will be the system /etc/cron* |
| 07:01.50 | _2 | ls /etc/cron* |
| 07:03.01 | _2 | hasn't used cron sense 2002 |
| 07:03.10 | omid8bimo | _2: i don't need cron at this moment, can i just stop it's service as long as i don't need it? |
| 07:03.28 | omid8bimo | since* |
| 07:03.44 | _2 | english is not my language |
| 07:04.24 | stoned | english is everybody's language |
| 07:04.40 | stoned | its a planetary language, better learn it :) |
| 07:04.55 | omid8bimo | stoned: :) good point |
| 07:05.05 | _2 | yes (sense) is spelled correctly. yes (since) is spelled correctly. </shrugs> |
| 07:05.18 | _2 | planetary ? |
| 07:05.53 | omid8bimo | _2: never mind dude |
| 07:06.12 | omid8bimo | so i can just disable cron for a while |
| 07:06.55 | _2 | planetary 5. Having the nature of a planet; erratic; revolving; wandering. :) |
| 07:07.27 | _2 | omid8bimo yes you can. i don't know if the debian folks would recommend it or not, but i know you can |
| 07:08.05 | _2 | stoned probably not the def you had in mind though. |
| 07:08.31 | omid8bimo | _2: okay, i hope this would be the problem and leave my harddisk alone |
| 07:08.36 | omid8bimo | :) |
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| 07:12.16 | _2 | oh, it's because i deleted /etc/alternatives heh i forgot about doing that. |
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| 07:22.13 | _2 | what does "nautilus-connect-server" do ? |
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| 07:26.06 | miksuh | _2: not sure but most likely it's related to it that yiou can connect to servers :). Eg. select from nautuilus menu: file->connect to server |
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| 07:27.10 | miksuh | _2: you can create connection to eg. ssh server |
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| 07:27.16 | miksuh | and then browse that server like ti was local disk |
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| 07:28.07 | miksuh | it's wery handy feature, i use it a lot |
| 07:28.15 | _2 | so it's the gnome eq of kde's fish:// |
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| 07:30.01 | miksuh | you can also connect to server like this. Seect from gnome desktop menu: Places->connect to server |
| 07:30.11 | miksuh | rgar's the same as using it from nautilus window |
| 07:30.19 | miksuh | that's |
| 07:30.27 | miksuh | damn typos |
| 07:30.35 | _2 | i may want to add an sshkey for my non-admin account so i can move files around over ssh with nautilus-connect-server then |
| 07:30.47 | _2 | ty. |
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| 07:31.56 | bolt | any way to recreate all non-existing directories from installed packages? managed to remove all empty directories and had to remake /run and /tmp to get it to boot. suspect there might be lots more |
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| 07:34.56 | _2 | bolt there wont be a lot. the empty dirs on a non-booted linux are normally /initrd <<< that one is not on later systems. /proc /sys /tmp /var/run /var/lock |
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| 07:37.01 | _2 | bolt there may be a few subdirs in /var/lock and /var/run as well as /var/log that the system will check for but probably not actually use. one such is /var/run/sshd/ |
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| 07:37.43 | bolt | i'll try to make those as well |
| 07:37.57 | _2 | mkdir -p full list here |
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| 07:41.10 | \amethyst | ryanhaigh: I have submitted my patch; it now appears in bug #396215 |
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| 07:42.42 | bolt | that seemed to almost do it. when launching screen now though, it quits saying "/var/run/screen must have mode 777". it's 775 currently, and that's the same as on my other systems... |
| 07:42.49 | _2 | bolt heh i forgot because i have .place_holder files in mine. /mnt and /media sorry. |
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| 07:43.42 | EE_BB | hii all I mount a smb file sysmtem everything ok but when I copy files I cant preserve file permissions on this mount point ? |
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| 07:44.14 | bolt | EE_BB: your smb system has no support for your owner/group permissions |
| 07:44.20 | _2 | EE_BB M$ file systems don't have unix file permissions bits |
| 07:44.22 | bolt | EE_BB: that's normal |
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| 07:47.17 | _2 | why are they using so many symlinks from /usr/bin/* to /usr/lib/*/* ??? |
| 07:47.57 | _2 | is that an attempt at version protection ? |
| 07:48.17 | \amethyst | Does anyone here 1. have a LABEL= mount in fstab with the 'user' option; and 2. use GNOME ? |
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| 07:48.33 | \amethyst | err, and 3. use Lenny or sid |
| 07:48.41 | \amethyst | I'd like some testing for a patch |
| 07:48.46 | stew | go fish |
| 07:49.08 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.25 | _2 | seconds the go fish @ \amethyst |
| 07:50.37 | _2 | that approach seems to bypass "alternatives" which i thought was the prefered methood and developed for that purpose ? |
| 07:52.20 | stew | _2: i'd guess the general case is that upstream software expects to find its 'internal' binaries in /usr/lib/$foopackage/ ; however the debian developer thinks that these binaries are also useful to end users, so he adds symlinks in /usr/bin |
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| 07:53.33 | _2 | stew ok makes sense. but why is it still bypassing alternatives ? wouldn't that be the "right" way to do that ? |
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| 07:54.41 | stew | _2: no, the alternatives system is when there are two commands from completely different packages which perform an equivalant function, like "editor" |
| 07:55.10 | stew | _2: and i'm talking about a single version of a binary needs to exist in two places in order to keep the software happy, and to keep the end users happy |
| 07:56.06 | bolt | on my newly recovered root filesystem, screen says "Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777.", though /var/run/screen has the exact same permissions as on my other systems (drwxrwxr-x 2 root utmp 4096 2009-01-15 08:23 screen). Why is this? |
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| 07:57.09 | stew | bolt: what does "ls -l $(which screen)" return? |
| 07:57.22 | _2 | stew ok. |
| 07:57.35 | \amethyst | bolt: sounds like screen isn't setgid utmp |
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| 07:57.43 | _2 | wishes that nsadmin had not "just disapeared" on him. |
| 07:57.44 | stew | that was my guess |
| 07:58.11 | _2 | or he didnt make /tmp sticky |
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| 07:58.22 | bolt | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root 406 328448 2008-06-12 22:36 /usr/bin/screen |
| 07:58.24 | bolt | hm.. 406 |
| 07:58.38 | bolt | something's not right here |
| 07:58.46 | _2 | group missing |
| 07:58.52 | \amethyst | wrong group |
| 07:58.56 | \amethyst | utmp should be 43 |
| 07:58.57 | _2 | or guid number changed |
| 07:59.05 | stew | bolt: what does "getent group utmp" return? |
| 07:59.20 | bolt | 43 |
| 07:59.44 | bolt | wonder why that was restored as 406 by tar. the other permissions seem to have come out alright |
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| 08:00.36 | bolt | any way to restore default group/owner for installed packages? the info must be in the .debs somewhere. i'd rather do that than have more of this crap pop up. |
| 08:00.40 | \amethyst | bolt: what OS did you use to make the tar, and to restore it? |
| 08:00.59 | _2 | bolt chown :43 it |
| 08:01.15 | bolt | \amethyst: made with debian, restored with sysresccd.org |
| 08:02.02 | \amethyst | bolt: perhaps the latter had group utmp = GID 406 |
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| 08:02.32 | freebse | hi |
| 08:02.39 | bolt | hm... that may very well be. i had hoped it would store the numbers though, not the names |
| 08:03.18 | alin | hello, i need to change a setup from a raid 2x80gb HDDs to a raid 2x250gb HDDs, what would be the best way to move the data from one to another ? (just the HDD |
| 08:03.25 | alin | 's change) |
| 08:03.41 | bolt | i'll check the gid for utmp on the cd |
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| 08:03.53 | \amethyst | it stores both by default, and restores by name if the name can be looked up |
| 08:04.03 | \amethyst | bolt: you might be able to do the untar with --numeric-owner |
| 08:04.13 | \amethyst | bolt: (though don't do that over a running system :) |
| 08:04.17 | \amethyst | bolt: otherwise you can use |
| 08:04.19 | \amethyst | !reinstall |
| 08:04.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 08:04.33 | christoz | greetings, i'd like to report a bug on iceweasel, where can i do that? |
| 08:05.15 | \amethyst | christoz: first make sure it isn't already listed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=iceweasel&archive=no |
| 08:05.27 | bolt | \amethyst: will that first one there restore permissions? i'll try the untaring first, though |
| 08:05.35 | \amethyst | christoz: then use the reportbug program |
| 08:05.42 | alin | !debian clone |
| 08:05.42 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 08:05.56 | _2 | gnome starts with an error message "there was an error starting the GNOME Session daemon" "unknown activation error" |
| 08:06.11 | \amethyst | bolt: the first two should restore permissions; the third (dpkg --set-selections ...) does not |
| 08:06.20 | achilles | hello, what file does the command show "crontab -l" is it /etc/crontab ? |
| 08:07.07 | _2 | achilles /var/spool/cron/$USER/* iirc |
| 08:07.13 | \amethyst | achilles: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<username> but you won't have direct access to the file |
| 08:07.21 | \amethyst | achilles: you have to use crontab -e to edit it |
| 08:07.24 | christoz | \amethyst, i think reportbug requires vim experience in order to give the firefox-bin-bugreport right? or is any gui for that? |
| 08:07.29 | _2 | woops i guess i tunrcated it |
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| 08:07.49 | achilles | \amethyst, thank you very much, I got confused, I see jobs not in /etc/crontab .. thanks |
| 08:07.56 | bolt | \amethyst: great! thanks. this may work out yet. stupid hd crash :) |
| 08:08.14 | bolt | \amethyst: what's ~i though? in the first command. never seen that used before |
| 08:08.33 | \amethyst | bolt: it's an aptitude search pattern for installed packages |
| 08:08.43 | bolt | ah |
| 08:08.49 | _2 | gnome starts with an error message "there was an error starting the GNOME Session daemon" "unknown activation error" anyone know what might cause this ? or what the settings daemon's name is ? |
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| 08:09.23 | bolt | yep. utmp is 406 on the boot cd. trying the --numeric-owner |
| 08:09.28 | \amethyst | christoz: you can do export VISUAL=gedit first |
| 08:09.41 | \amethyst | christoz: (or whatever your favorite editor is) |
| 08:10.38 | \amethyst | christoz: you can also use update-alternatives --config editor to set the default editor (though most GUI editors won't be listed there) |
| 08:10.46 | \amethyst | christoz: (update-alternatives as root) |
| 08:11.31 | christoz | what you mean "first" when is first? when/where i type export VISUAL=gedit? |
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| 08:11.57 | \amethyst | christoz: at the command line, before you type reportbug |
| 08:12.00 | christoz | (sorry never used with these) |
| 08:12.05 | christoz | ah ok |
| 08:12.17 | trasz_ | guys, where can i find what patches were applied to the original sources for a given package? |
| 08:12.56 | \amethyst | trasz_: some source packages have a debian/patches/ directory |
| 08:13.27 | trasz | \amethyst: is there some web svn interface for these? |
| 08:14.02 | \amethyst | trasz: others don't; for those, you'll have to look at the source package's diff.gz (which also contains the packaging) |
| 08:14.22 | _2 | trasz dpkg -L package-name | grep -i change |
| 08:14.28 | \amethyst | trasz: some packages, but not all, have web interfaces to their VCS |
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| 08:15.10 | idle-boy | hello |
| 08:15.22 | idle-boy | how development packages named in debian ? |
| 08:15.25 | _2 | what command is gnome settings daemon ? |
| 08:15.43 | christoz | what is segfault, is that segmantation fault, what is about? |
| 08:15.47 | idle-boy | i need mysql-devel RHEL package, how i can find it in debian ?? |
| 08:15.49 | trasz | \amethyst: i mean, the svn with debian 'metadata', including patches. |
| 08:16.02 | trasz | \amethyst: ok, i think i found it - patch-tracking.debian.org. |
| 08:16.05 | trasz | \amethyst: thanks :-) |
| 08:16.17 | trasz | patch-tracking.debian.net, that is. |
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| 08:16.50 | christoz | actually is "websites with segfault" |
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| 08:18.06 | \amethyst | christoz: a segfault or segmentation fault is an illegal memory access, indicating a bug in the program |
| 08:18.26 | \amethyst | christoz: in iceweasel it could also indicate a bug in one of your plugins |
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| 08:18.52 | christoz | and how can i be able to confirm this for example as seg fault? |
| 08:19.40 | christoz | n |
| 08:19.45 | \amethyst | trasz: the source page on packages.d.o for lenny or sid will also have a link to the offical Debian web VCS interface if there is one |
| 08:19.48 | _2 | never mind i went inside the .deb and got the symlink for gnome-settings-daemon |
| 08:20.44 | dustybin | Solaris had a package management system what dates back to the early 1800's. yuk |
| 08:20.48 | dustybin | *has |
| 08:20.57 | _2 | bah still getting the same failure "unknown activation error" for it. |
| 08:21.20 | \amethyst | christoz: iceweasel would crash and probably give a message (maybe through bug-buddy) indicating that there was a segmentation fault (you might have to look at the details in bug-buddy) |
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| 08:25.24 | JyZyXEL | how do you see what process is using network? |
| 08:25.41 | liable | netstat |
| 08:26.51 | JyZyXEL | ohman there is so much UDP traffic |
| 08:26.57 | JyZyXEL | i have no idea why |
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| 08:27.40 | _2 | is this the cause of my error messages about gnome settings daemon ? ** (gnome-panel:6062): WARNING **: Failed to establish a connection with GDM: No such file or directory |
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| 08:27.47 | JyZyXEL | someone is like seriosly DoS'in the shit out of my box |
| 08:27.51 | _2 | cause gdm not running ? |
| 08:27.55 | JyZyXEL | all this UDP traffic from weird addresses |
| 08:28.08 | liable | JyZyXEL: to which service? |
| 08:28.13 | JyZyXEL | UDP |
| 08:28.15 | JyZyXEL | random ports |
| 08:28.26 | liable | which service? |
| 08:28.33 | JyZyXEL | service? |
| 08:28.48 | JyZyXEL | no service at all |
| 08:28.56 | JyZyXEL | just random shit to random ports from random hosts |
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| 08:29.10 | JyZyXEL | and UDP is the protocol |
| 08:29.21 | liable | show your netstat -pantu output (to pastebin) |
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| 08:30.28 | JyZyXEL | oh lol its freenet daemon |
| 08:30.33 | JyZyXEL | i didn't know it automatically starts |
| 08:32.37 | _2 | where is the config file you edit to turn ipv6 off/on ? |
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| 08:32.55 | _2 | something in /etc/? |
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| 08:34.23 | _2 | is it /etc/modutils/aliases ? |
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| 08:35.42 | _2 | ah /etc/modprobe.d/aliases found it. |
| 08:36.49 | _2 | hmmm some reason i must not be using that file on my server. it's set to off but i still have ipv6 traffic with it. |
| 08:37.19 | liable | blacklist ipv6 too |
| 08:37.29 | _2 | liable where ? |
| 08:37.32 | liable | i remember i had to do both once |
| 08:37.46 | liable | not sure if it was actually neccessary, but i think it was |
| 08:37.56 | _2 | you mean blacklist the module ipv6 ? |
| 08:37.59 | liable | _2: /etc/blacklist |
| 08:38.03 | liable | yes |
| 08:38.06 | _2 | i can do that. |
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| 08:54.23 | _2 | if one didnt want x to listen on 0.0.0.0:6000 is there a way to make xorg not listen for connection ? or am i thinking down a well ? |
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| 08:56.43 | \amethyst | _2: how do you start X? |
| 08:57.01 | _2 | nohup X |
| 08:57.20 | _2 | scripted |
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| 08:58.07 | \amethyst | _2: use X -nolisten tcp |
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| 09:05.21 | nvz | apt wb |
| 09:05.22 | apt | thx |
| 09:05.44 | _2 | now if i just knew how to set the fonts to something readable in gnome |
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| 09:06.15 | nvz | apt gtk-2.0 fonts |
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| 09:06.46 | reisi | hi everyone! what was a simple console based rc?.d symlink "editor", to disable/enable scripts on runlevels? |
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| 09:07.17 | _2 | update-rc.d |
| 09:07.25 | nvz | update-rc.d |
| 09:07.28 | unop | reisi, sysv-rc-conf |
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| 09:08.14 | \amethyst | _2: does it help to use xinit gnome-session -- $DISPLAY -nolisten tcp instead of X $DISPLAY -nolisten tcp ? |
| 09:08.37 | nvz | apt gtk-fonts |
| 09:08.38 | apt | well, gtk-fonts is http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html#id2562188 |
| 09:08.38 | _2 | \amethyst the X $DISPLAY -nolisten tcp works fine. |
| 09:08.45 | \amethyst | _2: that will start up gnome-session, which ought to handle launching the settings daemon, the vfs daemon, and all sorts of other things |
| 09:08.48 | nvz | apt gtkfonts |
| 09:08.49 | apt | well, gtkfonts is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html#id2878813 |
| 09:09.10 | nvz | o.O |
| 09:09.10 | reisi | _2: nvz: thanks but i was looking for the one pointed out by unop :) |
| 09:09.14 | reisi | unop: thanks! |
| 09:09.51 | _2 | \amethyst ok. but there is another function that starts the session with su - $whoever -- $session |
| 09:10.22 | \amethyst | ah |
| 09:11.02 | \amethyst | I thought I remembered you having an issue with gnome-settings-daemon earlier and had thought that might have been it |
| 09:11.42 | _2 | \amethyst yes i do. and actually the other function only sets the vars in this part of that function i posted "$COMMAND-display $DISPLAY" |
| 09:13.18 | _2 | i could adjust that maybe... but the thing is, the entire system is nosuid and that script is part of a login process (so it obviously runs as superuser) a normal user can not start xorg on a nosuid system. |
| 09:14.35 | _2 | inittab has a line " 1:23456789:respawn:/sbin/getty -nl /sbin/graphical_login 38400 tty1 " |
| 09:14.35 | christoz | !ldconfig |
| 09:14.42 | christoz | .ldconfig |
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| 09:15.52 | \amethyst | the entire system is nosuid??? |
| 09:15.56 | _2 | yes |
| 09:15.57 | rmrfchik | hi. there is no new kernel and ooorg in unstable for a long time. why? |
| 09:15.59 | \amethyst | so you can't use su as a normal user either? |
| 09:16.04 | _2 | no |
| 09:16.21 | \amethyst | and crontab won't work |
| 09:16.53 | nvz | rmrfchik here is a wild idea... ask the maintainer |
| 09:17.01 | _2 | i don't use cron anyway. and infact sudoers has one line ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
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| 09:17.17 | _2 | but that's no risk cause only superuser can use sudo anyway |
| 09:17.17 | \amethyst | yeah, but sudo won't work either |
| 09:17.21 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 09:17.25 | rmrfchik | nvz: it's too small question to disturb the busy gods ;) |
| 09:17.25 | nvz | no wait that would make sense... just ask people who wouldnt know instead |
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| 09:18.03 | rmrfchik | nvz: there may be know reason I just missed. |
| 09:18.10 | nvz | theyre busy? imagine that.. |
| 09:18.15 | niklaswe | any ide on this Status:Initializing TLS... |
| 09:18.15 | niklaswe | Error:Connection timed out |
| 09:18.15 | niklaswe | Error:Could not connect to server |
| 09:18.15 | niklaswe | using proftpd |
| 09:18.15 | niklaswe | the server timed out when it trying to initializing tls |
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| 09:18.21 | nvz | could be coincidence |
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| 09:20.25 | _2 | \amethyst i started playing with total "nosuid" systems about two years ago and have hacked almost everything to a suitable working condition for me. it's so non-standard that there is a transition hickup everytime i get on a linux box that uses suid heh i can only imagine what some poor soul would be like on my system. |
| 09:20.45 | christoz | during the use of iceweasel (launced from terminal() i'm getting these messages http://www.pastebin.ca/1309005 is there any relation wuth the numerous crashes i'm encountering with the browser? |
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| 09:23.03 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:23.49 | nvz | christoz dont think so but try moving your config dir or changing theme |
| 09:24.12 | nvz | polish? |
| 09:24.26 | christoz | who me? |
| 09:24.30 | _2 | christoz i'm thinking that an incompatable theme is causing those errors |
| 09:24.58 | nvz | those are warnings not errors |
| 09:25.37 | nvz | and i was referring to the person seeming to curse in polish |
| 09:25.40 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.40 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.57 | _2 | ok critical warning |
| 09:26.28 | fluxdude | is there a way in samba to see the username that has a file open over the network? |
| 09:26.59 | nvz | smbstatus or something i think |
| 09:27.39 | nvz | yeah thats it |
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| 09:28.12 | nvz | had to get my lazy ass up and goto the computer to check |
| 09:28.52 | christoz | can you tell me what book i should read in order to understand those messages? |
| 09:29.22 | _2 | adding -v might help ? |
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| 09:30.05 | nvz | you dont need to understand them unless you are a gtk developer |
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| 09:31.13 | christoz | obviously i'm not, but i'd like some minimal knowledge for these |
| 09:31.57 | _2 | christoz all i would know to do is either get the source and grep for them or chase them throught google |
| 09:32.21 | nvz | typically you ignore warnings and as for standard diag proceedures never hurts to mv the config dir |
| 09:32.53 | fluxdude | nvz: smbstatus does not show the username that connected next to the filename though or anywhere else in the output I have already tried that |
| 09:33.34 | nvz | thats funny cause on my screen it says username |
| 09:33.38 | _2 | i think lsof can but don't ask me for the switches |
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| 09:36.06 | _2 | hmmm memory is empty but disk is full ;/ |
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| 09:36.39 | fluxdude | nvz: most unusual because mine does not show username anywhere, only pid, machine, file etc but not the username being used over the network |
| 09:36.53 | fluxdude | the uid column only shows the local user (root) that samba runs as... |
| 09:36.53 | nvz | i believe that lsof only does that for nfs |
| 09:37.09 | \amethyst | :) |
| 09:37.39 | nvz | flux well the only other place that data would be is in your logs |
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| 09:41.03 | fluxdude | nvz: it is not in log.smbd either... not sure I should increase verb as it may generate a zillion code() rubbish messages... |
| 09:43.29 | nvz | is there anything useful in the samba-tools package? |
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| 09:44.27 | glontu | hello |
| 09:44.35 | glontu | how do i upgrade my php version ? |
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| 09:45.00 | glontu | apt is stuck at php 5.2.0 and i need > 5.2.1 |
| 09:45.09 | nvz | apt-get install php5 |
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| 09:45.18 | nvz | oh |
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| 09:45.41 | nvz | apt info php5 lenny |
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| 09:47.29 | nvz | apt depends php5 lenny |
| 09:47.30 | glontu | so what if i am on etch ? |
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| 09:48.46 | nvz | either upgrade to lenny or use pinning since it doesnt seem too depend on anything serious |
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| 09:49.24 | nvz | apt pinning |
| 09:49.24 | apt | i heard pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
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| 09:50.50 | glontu | thanks nvz ... i'll go for a dist upgrade |
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| 09:51.21 | steven | Hi, any iLO users here that are running lenny ? |
| 09:51.39 | nvz | yeah lenny should be stable before too long. i upgraded a few months ago |
| 09:51.56 | _2 | could i trouble one of you to do ls -l /usr/bin/nm # for me please ? |
| 09:52.04 | steven | nvz that in response to me ? |
| 09:52.06 | is_null | hello everybody, i don't recall what's the tarball for installing a minimal debian like in a chroot (without rebooting or anything as such) |
| 09:52.16 | WhirlUser | steven, I work with iLO's and lenny oftenly, what's the problem? |
| 09:52.21 | nvz | you an only child steven? |
| 09:52.45 | steven | nvz unfortuantley not :) |
| 09:53.00 | nvz | is_null use debootstrap |
| 09:53.05 | steven | WhirlUser: do you have any problems accessing the java RemoteConsole from lenny ? |
| 09:53.07 | is_null | nvz, nice, thanks |
| 09:53.08 | _2 | ? |
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| 09:53.22 | nvz | steven well everything isnt about you |
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| 09:53.57 | WhirlUser | steven, maybe the problem it's the java version. Remote Console doesn't work with new versions of Java |
| 09:54.02 | Sazpaimon | so ive tired about 8 different methods and i still cant get gsynaptics to work |
| 09:54.16 | steven | WhirlUser: lol thats what i though i have tried 1.4 1.5 and 6 :) |
| 09:54.35 | steven | WhirlUser: also opera, iceweasle and epiphany |
| 09:54.37 | Sazpaimon | it keeps complaining about SHMConfig not being on, but ive enabled it in about 4 different areas |
| 09:54.57 | nvz | saz whats the problem? does it sit around on the couch all day? |
| 09:54.59 | _2 | guess not ehh |
| 09:55.01 | steven | WhirlUser: seems to be the same problem every tome it complains it can't load a class |
| 09:55.02 | WhirlUser | take me a minute, I search any iLO and I'll tell you the version |
| 09:55.13 | WhirlUser | steven, this is a problem of Java |
| 09:55.15 | Sazpaimon | nvz, i just said the problem |
| 09:55.28 | steven | WhirlUser: the calss is something like hp.ilo.remcons...... |
| 09:55.29 | nvz | blame it on java |
| 09:55.41 | nvz | apt blame java |
| 09:55.42 | apt | ACTION blames java (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 09:56.03 | WhirlUser | steven yes, I had this problem in some cases, and the problem is in the Java version |
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| 09:56.14 | Sazpaimon | at any rate, nothing ive tried has caused SHMCOnfig to enable |
| 09:56.24 | WhirlUser | I don't remember the concrete version needed at this time |
| 09:56.30 | steven | WhirlUser what version or you successfuly using ? |
| 09:56.38 | steven | ah ok |
| 09:56.55 | nvz | someone told me about a java dev pos for 20/hr and i just laughed |
| 09:57.13 | WhirlUser | one minute please steven, I'm looking for a iLO and I'll try to tell you the correct version |
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| 09:57.35 | nvz | i wouldnt write java for any less than ten times that |
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| 09:58.05 | CrazyTux | Package kernel-source has no installation candidate <- when i try and apt-get install kernel-source |
| 09:58.06 | CrazyTux | any ideas? |
| 09:58.14 | steven | WhirlUser: thanks |
| 09:58.20 | nvz | and id still insist on a better solution |
| 09:59.04 | click170 | If I want to setup a a root filesystem for a large group of machines to boot from and mount as root via NFS, which directories do I have to worry about mounting in tmpfs? |
| 09:59.10 | nvz | crazytux be specific |
| 09:59.36 | CrazyTux | nvz: trying to do "apt-get install kernel-source" |
| 09:59.37 | nvz | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 10:00.01 | Sazpaimon | well my 4th try of getting SHMConfig enabled didnt work either |
| 10:00.02 | CrazyTux | nvz: dosen't show up |
| 10:00.08 | CrazyTux | nvz: how do I go about updating portage or whatever |
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| 10:00.13 | CrazyTux | nvz: to include kernel-source |
| 10:00.14 | nvz | crazytux no such thing... be specific and not with me... with the package manager |
| 10:00.24 | CrazyTux | nvz: package manageR? |
| 10:00.35 | nvz | apt |
| 10:00.50 | CrazyTux | nvz: I'm trying to get my current kernels, source files |
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| 10:01.03 | _buffer | hi |
| 10:01.08 | nvz | crazytux then do it ffs |
| 10:01.12 | _buffer | how can i logrotate every 5 minutes? |
| 10:01.19 | CrazyTux | nvz: ffs? |
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| 10:01.43 | nvz | be specific how the hell is apt suppose to know what version you have? |
| 10:01.50 | nvz | apt ffs |
| 10:01.50 | apt | somebody said ffs was for f**k's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 10:02.05 | Sazpaimon | its amazing how difficult it is to just disable tapping' |
| 10:02.08 | Sazpaimon | im amazed |
| 10:02.25 | Sazpaimon | and i thought setting up wifi was a chore |
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| 10:02.34 | is_null | nvz, i can't figure why it's failing: http://nopaste.com/p/avrAWTU3Z any tip please? i'm doing like in the official docs: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 10:02.41 | ryanhaigh | \amethyst: how did you go with your patch? |
| 10:02.46 | is_null | any tip or idea please? |
| 10:03.26 | nvz | im on a cell phone and im not going to type that url.. |
| 10:03.46 | is_null | that's 3 lines so should be ok:# debootstrap lenny . http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 10:03.49 | is_null | I: Retrieving Release |
| 10:03.50 | CrazyTux | nvz: 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem, apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.26 shows nothing |
| 10:03.52 | is_null | E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-/Packages |
| 10:03.55 | WhirlUser | steven, I'm working fine with 1.6.5 version |
| 10:04.00 | ryanhaigh | i am experiencing this bug on my fresh lenny install https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/224360 |
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| 10:05.20 | Sazpaimon | whatever, i'll just attempt to deal with tapping, because Im all out of ideas |
| 10:05.20 | nvz | crazytux ugh... apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
| 10:05.35 | is_null | i guess i'll figure, thanks for the tip |
| 10:05.57 | CrazyTux | nvz: still cant find package |
| 10:06.07 | CrazyTux | E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 10:06.43 | nvz | kernel-source-2.6 |
| 10:06.53 | is_null | nvz, i was lacking --arch=i386, probably it couldn't figure because running on a non-debianish system, the error wasn't explicit though |
| 10:07.06 | CrazyTux | nvz: same |
| 10:07.07 | nvz | apt info kernel-source-2.6 stable |
| 10:07.42 | steven | WhirlUser: Hm im running 1.6.0_07 |
| 10:08.23 | nvz | apt info linux-source-2.6 etch |
| 10:08.38 | CrazyTux | nvz: running lenny |
| 10:08.45 | CrazyTux | nvz: and 'apt' dosent exist |
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| 10:09.04 | CrazyTux | aptitude ? |
| 10:09.56 | nvz | apt info linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 10:09.57 | CrazyTux | nvz: apt-get install linux-source worked |
| 10:10.03 | CrazyTux | nvz: thanks! |
| 10:10.12 | nvz | apt do you exist? |
| 10:10.13 | apt | yes, I exist. |
| 10:12.06 | nvz | see.. apt does exist |
| 10:12.24 | nvz | apt botsnack |
| 10:12.24 | apt | nvz: aw, gee |
| 10:13.19 | WhirlUser | steven, I don't know your enviroment but looks a bit strange. The problem is concrete of iLO and Java, try to post on HP forums, maybe somebody could help you better here. |
| 10:14.05 | nvz | i want a sex change.. heh |
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| 10:15.41 | nvz | apt gender? |
| 10:15.42 | apt | I'm sexless |
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| 10:16.00 | nvz | sucks to be you |
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| 10:16.24 | Tekno | apt cow |
| 10:16.25 | apt | well, cow is "<reply> I am a cow, hear me moo. I eat grass and weigh twice as much as you." |
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| 10:16.42 | nvz | apt moo |
| 10:16.43 | apt | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 10:17.23 | nvz | hmm both those seem fubar |
| 10:17.31 | CrazyTux | apt info sex |
| 10:17.46 | nvz | i wonder if tim is still maintaining that thing |
| 10:17.58 | nvz | apt who owns you? |
| 10:17.59 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 10:18.43 | Tekno | apt: who am I |
| 10:18.44 | apt | tekno shut up, you are a nobody |
| 10:18.44 | nvz | i damn near had to goto rehab because of him |
| 10:18.59 | nvz | apt person? |
| 10:19.00 | apt | rumour has it, person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 10:20.43 | christoz | why everytime i click a link i get this critical message on terminal (using iceweasel) "(firefox-bin:9160): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 10:20.43 | christoz | " |
| 10:20.44 | christoz | ? |
| 10:21.13 | ajuonline | guys, I did an apt-get remove java* |
| 10:21.26 | ajuonline | and it removed a lot of base stuff as well :/ |
| 10:21.35 | nvz | belive it or not apps throw errors all the time |
| 10:21.41 | ajuonline | how do rebuild stuff |
| 10:21.46 | ajuonline | how do I* |
| 10:21.55 | Antaga | Yo! |
| 10:21.59 | nvz | its what keeps them running.. having an error handler |
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| 10:23.59 | Trikster | Is it possible to run batch files on a debian server? |
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| 10:24.25 | nvz | um... of course |
| 10:24.44 | Trikster | nvz, without Wine? |
| 10:25.08 | nvz | you mean dos batch files? |
| 10:25.13 | Trikster | Yes |
| 10:25.16 | nvz | why? |
| 10:25.17 | ajuonline | dpkg reconfigure? whats the exact comman? |
| 10:25.18 | dpkg | ajuonline: i don't know |
| 10:25.26 | nvz | they would be useless |
| 10:25.34 | Trikster | nvz, I just need to. |
| 10:25.45 | nvz | no you dont |
| 10:25.50 | Trikster | Yes I do.. |
| 10:25.53 | petemc | Trikster: i think the answer is no |
| 10:26.19 | Trikster | Well, is there any alternative to compiling/running Java files? |
| 10:26.31 | nvz | batch files can only do so few thing all of which are only relevant to dos itselfwhich your server isnt running on |
| 10:27.02 | petemc | Trikster: javac exists on linux |
| 10:27.04 | WhirlUser | omg! it's necessary use batch file to compile or running java? |
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| 10:27.37 | Trikster | WhirlUser, no, but I didn't know Linux has Javac :/ |
| 10:27.39 | nvz | you can batch commands ush sh. csh. zsh. bash. ash. perl. python...etc wtf would you use dos? |
| 10:28.11 | Trikster | Just never mind.. |
| 10:28.15 | Trikster | I will use PHP or something. |
| 10:28.40 | xdr | 33~anyone got a clue why my wlancard stops working when unplugging ethernetcabel? |
| 10:29.19 | nvz | network-manager? its evil you know... |
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| 10:29.27 | WhirlUser | Trikster, petemc answered you, you can create a shell script like a batch file, shell scripting it's more powerfull than batch ;-) |
| 10:31.18 | ajuonline | how do I rebuild the packages? |
| 10:31.23 | ajuonline | dpkg-re3configure doesnt work? |
| 10:31.52 | nvz | you mean recompile from source? |
| 10:32.25 | ajuonline | nvz: yeah, i think i screwed up everything |
| 10:32.28 | nvz | apt aptbuild |
| 10:32.41 | xdr | nvz: uninstall network-manager? |
| 10:32.42 | nvz | probably true |
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| 10:33.09 | nvz | though you dont need to build or rebuild anything i am sure |
| 10:33.29 | ajuonline | nvz: idid a apt-get remove java* |
| 10:33.36 | ajuonline | and it removed almost all the packages* |
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| 10:34.18 | nvz | xdr if you ruled our being and idiot.. i.e. were not actually using wifi but using ethernet and thus why it stops working when you unplug it |
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| 10:35.12 | xdr | nvz: was actually the first thing I did :), I got error msgs in dmesg |
| 10:35.15 | nvz | aju no you didnt... maybe java * but not java* |
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| 10:36.14 | nvz | xdr network manager like most automagic tools tend to be a pita and more trouble than anything |
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| 10:36.46 | xdr | nvz: true |
| 10:39.36 | nvz | i personally hate automagic crap cause i learned in the good ol days how to do it all manually and take responsibility for errors... these new fangled methods blindside you with errors in things you didnt even know were working to begin with |
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| 10:42.35 | nvz | well this is starting to annoy me now.. irc'ing from a cell phone... so i think ill give sleep another try |
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| 10:43.51 | ajuonline | the following got removed http://pastebin.ca/1309042 |
| 10:44.46 | ZioMiP | hi folk I got a question, when I used gentoo I emerged ompload, an application for automatically use the omploader services, there's an application like that in Debian ? |
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| 10:46.42 | themill | ajuonline: so reinstall them... |
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| 10:49.01 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 10:49.27 | ZioMiP | hi |
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| 10:56.04 | kakashi_ | legend-thinktop:~# dpkg --configure -a |
| 10:56.04 | kakashi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.05 | dpkg | kakashi_: You are moron #22 |
| 10:56.12 | kakashi_ | what does this mean |
| 10:56.35 | kakashi_ | #padding |
| 10:57.04 | kakashi_ | anyone |
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| 11:04.01 | StuckMojo | man i love dpkg |
| 11:04.05 | StuckMojo | the bot i mean ;) |
| 11:04.41 | StuckMojo | it always knows the answer |
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| 11:10.16 | jelly | kakashi_: what are the contents of said file? |
| 11:10.26 | ZioMiP | hi folk I got a question, when I used gentoo I emerged ompload, an application for automatically use the omploader services, there's an application like that in Debian ? |
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| 11:10.49 | jelly | kakashi_: use a pastebin |
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| 11:10.56 | kakashi_ | JediatNight, solved, removed that file and configure works :) thanks for responding |
| 11:11.07 | jelly | ah, great! |
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| 11:11.22 | petemc | ZioMiP: i dont see anything in lenny |
| 11:11.27 | JediatNight | kakashi_: was that for jelly? |
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| 11:11.34 | themill | kakashi_: you might want to aptitude reinstall whatever package it was that was complaining. |
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| 11:11.35 | kakashi_ | oops |
| 11:11.38 | kakashi_ | sorry! |
| 11:11.40 | Gigantic | spoo |
| 11:11.42 | JediatNight | np |
| 11:11.46 | Gigantic | !when |
| 11:11.46 | dpkg | Now! |
| 11:12.14 | ZioMiP | so cool :D |
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| 11:12.34 | Gigantic | yup, I am cool |
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| 11:22.21 | Gigantic | !hug stew |
| 11:22.21 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around stew |
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| 11:22.30 | fabriz | ciao |
| 11:22.38 | greymaus | hey, iceweasel keep crashing, how can I update it to a newer version? |
| 11:22.39 | Gigantic | bona sera |
| 11:22.41 | fabriz | !list |
| 11:22.41 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to fabriz |
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| 11:24.14 | greymaus | oops, just noticed previous line |
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| 11:25.54 | greymaus | well, aptitude reinstall |
| 11:26.22 | greymaus | why would any debian user need a warez list |
| 11:26.27 | Gigantic | or replace w firefox... |
| 11:26.56 | greymaus | working at that, needs MOZILLA_HOME |
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| 11:32.38 | pif | hi, how can't type a euro symbol in xterm , but I can in OpenOffice, what could be the problem? |
| 11:32.50 | pif | s/how/I/ |
| 11:33.12 | Gigantic | diff charsets |
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| 11:37.12 | anewbie | hello guys i have problem with rusers command |
| 11:37.14 | anewbie | rusers: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive |
| 11:37.18 | anewbie | can some one help me pls |
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| 11:38.17 | eggy_ | Hello, I have trouble installing icedtea6-plugin: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/99767/ How can I solve this? |
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| 11:42.39 | yunosh | hi, i'm looking for some pointers how to rebuild a deb package from an upstream cvs checkout. i've never done a package before and i am a bit lost in all the docs. |
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| 11:43.21 | dustybin | at home i run bind 9 for my LAN DNS, is it possible to run bind 9 on a remote server, and let my LAN use that for the DNS? How could i secure it so nobody else would use port 52? |
| 11:43.39 | dustybin | or does it not matter? |
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| 11:45.53 | lem0n | dustybin: of course its possible :P |
| 11:46.07 | lem0n | you can read documentation on BIND ACLs to limit only certain IPs to use it to resolve |
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| 11:46.36 | lem0n | its not too different from setting one up on your LAN |
| 11:46.56 | jelly | anewbie: rusers works via portmap; do both ends have portmap running? |
| 11:47.10 | anewbie | not sure abaout that |
| 11:47.14 | anewbie | i have nmap |
| 11:47.18 | anewbie | but the other site ... |
| 11:47.20 | jelly | anewbie: why are you trying to use it? |
| 11:47.51 | anewbie | i want to check how many clients have one home network |
| 11:47.54 | jelly | anewbie: "portmap" is a service, completely different from a port mapper. |
| 11:48.00 | anewbie | becouse the connection is too slow |
| 11:48.12 | anewbie | and i thing there is more then the users that i know |
| 11:48.24 | jelly | anewbie: you won't be able to do it via rusers. |
| 11:48.26 | anewbie | jelly, can you explain me this think with the portmaper |
| 11:49.27 | jelly | anewbie: you're trying to run a command with works only if the remote machine has SUN RPC portmap service configured and running. |
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| 11:49.56 | anewbie | ahaaa |
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| 11:50.25 | anewbie | but i use to think that the most modern system have that function no metter if they are solaris or linux |
| 11:50.29 | anewbie | i am wron i see |
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| 11:51.08 | Gigantic | how do you tell tar where to inflate the files? |
| 11:51.23 | Gigantic | or should I 'pipe' it |
| 11:51.40 | anewbie | jelly, is there somekind of linux equivalent of rusers ? |
| 11:51.43 | jelly | anewbie: modern linux usually don't use any RPC based services by default |
| 11:51.54 | jelly | anewbie: ssh to the remote machine and run who? :-) |
| 11:52.03 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.08 | anewbie | no access |
| 11:52.25 | anewbie | mac addres filtering |
| 11:52.42 | jelly | well then, if you have no access why would they tell you their local users. |
| 11:52.52 | themill | eggy_: you don't want to start mixing in packages from experimental if you don't know what you're doing... Why not use the icedtea-gcjwebplugin package instead? |
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| 11:53.16 | jelly | Gigantic: "inflate"? |
| 11:53.17 | themill | Gigantic: man tar. |
| 11:53.20 | eggy_ | themill: okay, I'll give that a try |
| 11:53.43 | anewbie | is my sister office network duude i am not script kiddie |
| 11:53.43 | Gigantic | themill: quite useful... |
| 11:53.50 | Gigantic | jelly: unzip |
| 11:53.59 | Gigantic | err untar :p |
| 11:54.13 | jelly | Gigantic: ah. extract, unpack. |
| 11:54.24 | Gigantic | :) |
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| 11:54.49 | anewbie | hmm |
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| 11:55.02 | jelly | Gigantic: can it be simpler that "cd destination; tar xf ..." |
| 11:55.05 | jelly | than* |
| 11:55.21 | Gigantic | problem is that the tar.gz is a 30 gs file... |
| 11:55.27 | eggy_ | themill: cool, thanks man :) |
| 11:55.27 | themill | so? |
| 11:55.28 | jelly | so? |
| 11:55.30 | anewbie | is there equivalent of this one in the modern linux system jelly or you think thatt i am a bad hacker and want to make something stupid |
| 11:55.31 | anewbie | :) ? |
| 11:55.32 | themill | eggy_: no worries |
| 11:55.36 | Gigantic | I've 50G space left... |
| 11:55.46 | themill | so? |
| 11:55.47 | jelly | anewbie: I told you the equivalent. |
| 11:56.26 | jelly | Gigantic: you are allowed to use an absolute path for the tar file. |
| 11:56.33 | anewbie | this is not equivalent of rusers but how ever |
| 11:56.34 | anewbie | thx |
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| 11:57.27 | jelly | anewbie: man page for rusers says "The rusers command produces output similar to who(1), but for remote machines." I think "ssh remote who" is a reasonable substitute |
| 11:58.08 | anewbie | yes but rusesrs can be used without ssh connection to the machine |
| 11:58.16 | anewbie | thats the meaning of similar |
| 11:58.19 | anewbie | or i am wrong ? |
| 11:58.34 | Gigantic | jelly can try ty |
| 11:58.51 | jelly | anewbie: it needs a configured service on the remote side. |
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| 11:59.18 | user_corrupt | I want to use wget to pull a remote CSV file, and I found a page with a simple script for using wget....I've only ever worked with some PHP scripts before, and I don't know how to use this one, because its something different all together: #!/bin/sh |
| 11:59.18 | user_corrupt | wget -N options savepath url is this a "shell" script? can someone give me a tip for how to use such code, ie: what extension does the file need to have? and where do I need to put it? |
| 11:59.46 | anewbie | jelly, yes but this service don't need passward auth |
| 11:59.51 | anewbie | .. or i am wrong ? :) |
| 11:59.53 | themill | Gigantic: man tar also has a --directory option (which does exactly the same as what jelly suggested). Searching for "directory" in man tar would have found that pretty quickly... which is why I pointed you in that direction. |
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| 12:01.03 | jelly | anewbie: that doesn't really matter; an administrator needs to configure it and give you access; likewise, an administrator can configure ssh to give you passwordless access to just the command "who" on a remote machine, via ssh. |
| 12:03.10 | anewbie | jelly, yes but the default options of ssh are password protected |
| 12:03.16 | anewbie | in rusesrs they are not |
| 12:03.18 | anewbie | or i am worng ? |
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| 12:03.46 | jelly | anewbie: what's with "<anewbie> or i am wrong ?" shtick? |
| 12:04.08 | anewbie | i am not sure of mi opinion and i as :) am ia wrong |
| 12:04.09 | anewbie | :) |
| 12:04.13 | jelly | anewbie: the point is, if you require access to that data, ask your admins to provide it. |
| 12:04.14 | themill | user_corrupt: no file extension is needed, it's sort of a shell script, it just doesn't won't do anything useful until you replace "options savepath url" with some useful values. |
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| 12:04.43 | anewbie | jelly, yes you are right but i am sure that there is away that i can do it without ask anyone |
| 12:04.55 | user_corrupt | thanks |
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| 12:07.19 | jelly | anewbie: 15-20 years ago, having rusers or remote finger available might have been sound. Today it's just making the bad guys jobs easier. |
| 12:07.49 | Gigantic | themill: oh yeah ty... I was greping path and target, didn't think of directory :P and oversee the option when I was rowsing the man |
| 12:08.11 | anewbie | jelly, i think that the deffeniotion of "bad guys" is much more complicated |
| 12:08.14 | jelly | anewbie: even if you can find a way, I strongly suggest you get written permission for accessing remote machines. |
| 12:08.18 | anewbie | who decide who is bad or who is wrong |
| 12:08.38 | Gigantic | The puppies do |
| 12:08.46 | anewbie | if i can find a way i will posted in internet |
| 12:08.56 | anewbie | the human knwoladge belongs to the people |
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| 12:09.48 | Gigantic | if it override other people freedom, is wrong... it is not complicated |
| 12:09.48 | anewbie | infact i thing this is tha primary goal of all open source idelogys |
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| 12:10.19 | jelly | anewbie: ok, so give us your full name, credit card numbers and expiration dates. |
| 12:10.38 | jelly | it's just data after all, it belongs to the people. |
| 12:10.39 | anewbie | jelly, thats not the point |
| 12:10.55 | Gigantic | not all data is the same lol |
| 12:11.09 | jelly | anewbie: that's EXACTLY the point; you want remote access to confidential data, ask for permission. |
| 12:11.15 | anewbie | when i pay for 25 megabits internet connection ant it is transfferd via 8 ports 100mb switch who is full |
| 12:11.21 | anewbie | i want to know that |
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| 12:11.35 | anewbie | becouse they still from me when the 8 duudes of the witch are active |
| 12:11.36 | anewbie | ... |
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| 12:12.00 | jelly | anewbie: so get access to the remote machines. |
| 12:12.10 | S-i-A | hi all |
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| 12:12.47 | ryanhaigh1 | what is the preferred way to install the nvidia driver from the nvidia website |
| 12:12.55 | anewbie | ok jelly i see we have diffrent points of view about that i dont want to enter in a conflict with you prefere to close the theme ok ? |
| 12:13.11 | Gigantic | ryanhaigh1: there is a how to in the nvidias site |
| 12:13.24 | jelly | anewbie: this isn't really a debian issue; you were pointed to a way of getting it configured for debian machines, your policy decisions aren't really topical though. |
| 12:13.43 | alecs1 | Hi, I would like to use the bluetooth of my laptop, but the bluetoth programs don't detect any device |
| 12:13.55 | anewbie | yeah i understand that too thats why i close the theme :) |
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| 12:14.00 | themill | anewbie: if what you were suggesting were possible, it would be considered a security flaw and would be fixed very quickly. There should be absolutely no way of a remote person knowing who is logged onto an arbitrary machine somewhere in the world. |
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| 12:14.13 | alecs1 | doing lspci or opening kinfocenter do not show any device that looks like bluetooth |
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| 12:14.36 | jelly | themill: I thought we were assuming a private network, though |
| 12:14.42 | Gigantic | alecs1: replug the dongle and see if dmesg see it |
| 12:14.49 | S-i-A | some asked me about Debian CD and Ubuntu CD 700MB, and he said why the ubuntu with 700 mb have openoffice+gim , but debian cd haven't , ubuntu based on Debian must have same basis. i will understand this to ? :) |
| 12:14.59 | Gigantic | alecs1: also install bluez |
| 12:15.11 | orgthingy | S-i-A : debian does |
| 12:15.16 | orgthingy | but, not preinstalled |
| 12:15.19 | themill | jelly: same problem... there would be data visibility across the network in an unmanaged way. At that point, local network or not is irrelevant. |
| 12:15.19 | ryanhaigh1 | Gigantic: so there is no debian way, i would prefer to stick with the lenny packages but i am hitting a bug with nvidia+compiz+nautilus+clearlooks |
| 12:15.22 | jelly | anewbie: you can use ssh, or remote finger, or rusers; for any of those you'll need admin privileges to set it up on the remote machines |
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| 12:15.25 | orgthingy | you need to install, and it will say "insert the CD" S-I-A |
| 12:15.31 | orgthingy | i use debian, so i can assure you it does |
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| 12:15.40 | themill | alecs1: you may need to enable the bluetooth hardware in bios or with a hotkey combination. |
| 12:15.44 | alecs1 | I have bluez, and bt is integrated in the laptop |
| 12:15.58 | kombi | is there a way to apt-get install i.e. libapache2_mod_php5 without starting it? There is a hand rolled apache on that box which needs to continue working for some more time.. |
| 12:16.04 | Gigantic | ryalec load the module... nvm your gone |
| 12:16.10 | alecs1 | I just don't know how to look for it in the devices list |
| 12:16.12 | S-i-A | orgthingy: aha you can install it from Debian CD openoffeic + gimp without internet connection? |
| 12:16.27 | anewbie | jelly, once again thx :) |
| 12:16.30 | Gigantic | alecs1: also try to modprobe rfcomm,bnep,sco,l2cap,btusb |
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| 12:16.38 | orgthingy | S-i-A : yes, i have them preinstalled |
| 12:16.44 | orgthingy | S-i-A : just get 2CDs anyway |
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| 12:16.51 | orgthingy | S-i-a : getting 1 cd is stupid for debians |
| 12:16.53 | orgthingy | debian* |
| 12:16.56 | alecs1 | ok, I'll do modprobe now |
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| 12:17.03 | orgthingy | since many stuff on 1st cd are for professionals and programs..etc s-i-a |
| 12:17.06 | Gigantic | ryanhaigh1: lols, a quite specific bug lol |
| 12:17.06 | S-i-A | ok thanx |
| 12:17.38 | orgthingy | :) |
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| 12:17.43 | Gigantic | ryanhaigh1: just compile it then edit xog.conf to use nvidia instead of nv |
| 12:18.04 | Gigantic | !when |
| 12:18.04 | dpkg | Now! |
| 12:18.13 | jelly | Gigantic: stop that. |
| 12:18.23 | Gigantic | sorry :P |
| 12:18.45 | Gigantic | ryanhaigh1: or ask dpkg about nvidia |
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| 12:19.55 | ryanhaigh1 | dpkg nvidia |
| 12:19.55 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 12:20.53 | ryanhaigh1 | Gigantic: yes a very specific and VERY annoying bug, i tried just using a different theme but they all seem to have clearlooks components |
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| 12:21.41 | jelly | !msg the bot |
| 12:21.41 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 12:22.10 | alecs1 | about bluetooth, I did the modprobe but nothing new appeared with lspci |
| 12:23.22 | alecs1 | and google and the manual don't say anything about enabling from BIOS |
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| 12:24.49 | Gigantic | apt-get install bluez bluez-firmware ? |
| 12:24.54 | Jckf | Is it possible to have a Debiab box (my router) route all incoming traffic through an SSH tunnel to another machine? |
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| 12:29.42 | niklaus | Does anyone know how to create a character device , that stores only last 10 lines feeded into it ? I want synchronous, ie say if the prog writing the data into the device segfaults , then still it should be able to read the last 10 lines before segfault . So no buffering. Any help |
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| 12:32.17 | quik__ | hey folks |
| 12:32.31 | quik__ | just wondering what the most common 'format' tool is for debian |
| 12:32.41 | quik__ | to format a harddrive.. |
| 12:32.43 | Tekno | mkfs |
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| 12:34.11 | alecs1 | I think gparted works much better than in the past, I used it last year and actually worked |
| 12:34.18 | MoebiusX | quik__: and dd if you want it cleaned out. :) |
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| 12:34.46 | quik__ | I want a filesystem that will work under debian and macos |
| 12:34.55 | valdyn | niklaus: whats the purpose? |
| 12:34.56 | quik__ | whats a common fs for this? |
| 12:35.08 | quik__ | hfsplus isn't supported by mkfs |
| 12:35.10 | valdyn | niklaus: why does the app not use fsync if it does not want buffering? |
| 12:35.23 | Gigantic | think macos support xfs |
| 12:35.33 | emdete | hi, how does debian determine which viewer will be used for content like images or for example .pdf if i have eog and imagemagick or evince and acroread installed? |
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| 12:36.00 | niklaus | valdyn, purpose is to find the last 10 lines it gives the input and he deleiton format vector , so i want to print them. It crashes at some point so want to move those at the begining to debug. |
| 12:36.07 | valdyn | quik__: why would you think that theres no mkfs for hfsplus? |
| 12:36.10 | Gigantic | emdete: depends of your desktop... gnome, KDE etc |
| 12:36.36 | emdete | Gigantic: gnome. but: mutt does open pdf also... |
| 12:36.38 | quik__ | valdyn: perhaps I need to install it? :) |
| 12:36.57 | Gigantic | me know nothing about gnome |
| 12:37.20 | alecs1 | it reads some .desktop files as far as I know, the programs should advertise its capability with some desktop config file |
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| 12:37.40 | dustybin | lem0n: aye thanks, i'm trying to split my server up between my home server and a remove VPS |
| 12:37.46 | emdete | Gigantic: don't think its a gnome/kde thing. just type `see /tmp/debian.pdf` - how is the viewer determined? |
| 12:37.51 | dustybin | *remote |
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| 12:38.16 | valdyn | niklaus: caching does not avoid the last write to be canceled |
| 12:38.20 | alecs1 | about bluetooth, i installed the bluez-firmware and reloaded the modules, but nothing happened; also bluez-firmware is described as working with dongles; mine is integrated |
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| 12:38.25 | valdyn | niklaus: err |
| 12:38.41 | Gigantic | man see |
| 12:38.41 | valdyn | niklaus: crashing does not cancel the last write |
| 12:38.43 | quik__ | va0mkfs.hfsplus: No such file or directory |
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| 12:39.01 | valdyn | !tell quik__ -about search |
| 12:39.11 | niklaus | valdyn, yes it doesn't but the problem is with buffered write and tail doesn't pick the actual last ones up if you do ./a.out | tail |
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| 12:39.25 | quik__ | valdyn: I know about search |
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| 12:40.23 | Gigantic | quik__: use locate or find |
| 12:40.31 | Gigantic | or install it |
| 12:41.20 | valdyn | niklaus: why tail ? |
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| 12:41.44 | valdyn | niklaus: if anything then tail -f, but i also dont see the point |
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| 12:42.01 | Dionix | i'm having problems with grub |
| 12:42.47 | valdyn | niklaus: every terminal has its own ring buffer, you dont need an extra character device |
| 12:42.52 | Dionix | this is my setup hdd1 winxp, sda1 fat32 (so i can move files between ext3 and ntfs) sda2 ext3, sda3 swap |
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| 12:43.24 | Dionix | whenever i try to boot windows it says unknown filesystem type... or something like that i can't remember exactly |
| 12:43.55 | quik__ | valdyn: it was hfsprogs package |
| 12:44.01 | niklaus | valdyn, isn't it slow |
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| 12:45.03 | valdyn | niklaus: define slow |
| 12:45.21 | alexandro | is there anyway i can put a process on a specific core? |
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| 12:45.37 | valdyn | alexandro: yes |
| 12:45.52 | simonrvn | talk to it sternly |
| 12:47.43 | valdyn | niklaus: man taskset |
| 12:48.02 | ajuonline | upon netinst I did not choose the "Laptop" group. how do I install it now? |
| 12:48.12 | valdyn | ajuonline: run tasksel |
| 12:50.41 | jelly | alecs1: is your integrated device present in lsusb? |
| 12:51.27 | jelly | alecs1: my thinkpad bluetooth looks pretty much the same as a usb bt dongle |
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| 12:52.48 | alecs1 | hey, thanks for replying: http://pastebin.com/m7c5a9587 |
| 12:53.05 | alecs1 | only the first line I don't know what means, I recognize all the others |
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| 12:53.40 | alecs1 | I guess it is related to how usb devices branch |
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| 12:54.24 | maxime02 | Hi ! |
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| 12:55.04 | cads | hello |
| 12:55.22 | jelly | alecs1: fwiw, my bt only appears in lsusb when the radio switch is on |
| 12:56.04 | cads | I've debootstrapped a lenny install and I'm chrooted into it and am installing software, but I notice it doesn't have a kernel yet |
| 12:56.19 | cads | is there a package to get so I can do get one? |
| 12:56.40 | alecs1 | jelly: yes, the manual says it should only work with radio on |
| 12:57.01 | valdyn | cads: linux-image* refers to kernels |
| 12:57.07 | valdyn | cads: and you need a bootloader too |
| 12:57.18 | simonrvn | it's running off the system kernel ATM |
| 12:58.33 | alecs1 | jelly: I can't find a list of supported devices, andl also I can't even find out how mine is named |
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| 12:59.17 | alecs1 | I expect this to be unsupported or some bug, but I can't even describe it |
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| 13:00.29 | simonrvn | !update-pciids |
| 13:00.53 | simonrvn | well anyway, use that ^^ (without the ! of course) |
| 13:01.06 | valdyn | update-usbids ? |
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| 13:01.24 | valdyn | but i dont see an unknown device... so |
| 13:02.05 | simonrvn | oh, does that exist? it might |
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| 13:03.07 | valdyn | uh, lspci changed |
| 13:03.19 | valdyn | no more unknown device if at least the vendor is is known? |
| 13:03.40 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:03.55 | simonrvn | at least yeh |
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| 13:11.51 | MoebiusX | Hmm... there is no PHP 5.2.6 in etch-backports? So I guess I should install from Lenny? Production server. |
| 13:12.44 | valdyn | MoebiusX: no |
| 13:12.56 | valdyn | MoebiusX: if you need to use a lenny package then backport it |
| 13:13.18 | MoebiusX | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 13:13.25 | valdyn | !backport |
| 13:13.25 | dpkg | hmm... backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 13:13.33 | simonrvn | backport it. otherwise you're either running lenny (due to glibc upgrade) or have a borked system. |
| 13:14.05 | valdyn | MoebiusX: and plan for upgrading to lenny soon as an unsupported package probably is not a good idea |
| 13:14.07 | simonrvn | *incompatible* glibc upgrade |
| 13:14.26 | yunosh | while we're at backports, let me ask me earlier question again: |
| 13:14.32 | yunosh | i'm looking for some pointers how to rebuild a deb package from an upstream cvs checkout. i've never done a package before and i am a bit lost in all the docs. |
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| 13:14.57 | valdyn | yunosh: does upstream provide the debian directory in the source? |
| 13:15.09 | yunosh | unfortunately not |
| 13:15.11 | MoebiusX | so backporting in this context mean compiling from sources using dpkg-source? |
| 13:15.28 | yunosh | valdyn: it's completly provided by the debian patch |
| 13:15.30 | valdyn | yunosh: does debian provide a package for a slightly older version |
| 13:15.39 | yunosh | valdyn: yes |
| 13:15.42 | simonrvn | MoebiusX: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:15.56 | cads | will doing apt-get install gnome on a debootstrapped system pretty much handle all the installation for x11 and sound and stuff? |
| 13:15.59 | simonrvn | MoebiusX: except s/sid/lenny/ |
| 13:16.06 | MoebiusX | simonrvn: yeah, thanks. |
| 13:16.17 | MoebiusX | valdyn: thanks too. :) |
| 13:16.27 | valdyn | yunosh: where slightly older mean barely different |
| 13:16.31 | simonrvn | cads: why bother? do that when it's started |
| 13:16.51 | valdyn | yunosh: apply the diff from the debian source to the cvs source |
| 13:17.04 | valdyn | yunosh: apt-get source <packagename> gets you the diff |
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| 13:17.25 | yunosh | valdyn: yep, got that already. how do i build a package from there? |
| 13:17.36 | yunosh | i.e. after patching |
| 13:17.41 | valdyn | yunosh: edit the changelog, add your own stuff on top |
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| 13:17.51 | valdyn | yunosh: the changelog in the debian directory |
| 13:18.08 | valdyn | yunosh: the changelog determines the package version |
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| 13:18.27 | simonrvn | might want to install stuff like devscripts |
| 13:18.46 | simonrvn | for debuild, dch, etc. |
| 13:19.04 | valdyn | yang: you probably want to have done "apt-get build-dep <packagename>" too |
| 13:19.12 | valdyn | oops |
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| 13:19.18 | valdyn | yunosh: you probably want to have done "apt-get build-dep <packagename>" too |
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| 13:20.12 | thereddot | can you tell me how can i remove files with regex? |
| 13:20.28 | thereddot | like 'rm -Rf [regular expression]' |
| 13:20.58 | valdyn | thereddot: find | sed | rm for instance |
| 13:21.30 | thereddot | sed.. that's the one i couldn't remember.. i'll try |
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| 13:21.32 | yunosh | valdyn: k, what next? |
| 13:21.33 | valdyn | thereddot: thats not syntactically ok at all, hope you just get the idea |
| 13:21.56 | valdyn | yunosh: cd <cvs_top_dir>; fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:22.02 | thereddot | yes, i know. thanks :-] |
| 13:22.11 | valdyn | yunosh: where that fakeroot is probably redundant, i dont know |
| 13:22.22 | simonrvn | not really |
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| 13:36.51 | jelly | in lenny man dpkg-buildpackage says -r default is fakeroot |
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| 13:37.57 | jelly | valdyn: for posterity, GNU find has -regex and -iregex |
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| 13:46.31 | mien | Hi. i want to be able to log in to a vlcserver without having to log in throught gdm localy. anyone know how to do this? |
| 13:47.02 | yunosh | valdyn: yeah, fakeroot is not necessary. seems to work btw, i'm just figuring out small patch differences since the orginal version. thanks for the help! |
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| 13:50.11 | weiles | hi |
| 13:50.15 | weiles | i have problems with my ps3 and lenny |
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| 13:50.20 | lfaraone | Hi, anybody have experience with gnupg subkeys? |
| 13:50.30 | weiles | i have upgraded from the etch live cd and have now a non running kernel |
| 13:51.02 | weiles | i have added the debian-kernel trunk repo, but still even 2.6.27-1 from experimental does not boot |
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| 13:51.17 | weiles | i don't get after the first few lines of code |
| 13:51.23 | weiles | any ideas? |
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| 13:51.30 | weiles | anyone with a ps3 here? |
| 13:51.34 | dustybin | are Nagios, MRTG and Cacti industry standard monitoring tools? |
| 13:51.48 | steven | dustybin: yup |
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| 13:51.52 | weiles | i am trying to use a yellowdog kernel next |
| 13:51.56 | steven | dustybin: at least we use them :) |
| 13:51.59 | jelly | heheh, "industry standard" |
| 13:52.01 | lfaraone | dustybin: that's an opinion, but my org (10k+ employees) ueses them |
| 13:52.12 | dustybin | steven: are there any other ones ive missed? |
| 13:52.19 | jelly | lfaraone: they definitely aren't enterprisey |
| 13:52.21 | lfaraone | weiles: we can only help you with debian. |
| 13:52.27 | steven | dustybin: there are a few |
| 13:52.29 | lfaraone | jelly: oh, for sure. but they work. |
| 13:52.30 | steven | openNMS |
| 13:52.37 | steven | HP Openview etc etc |
| 13:52.39 | dustybin | aye ok thanks |
| 13:53.56 | dustybin | steven: what would be more suited to home use out of: NAGIOS / MRTG / CACTI ? |
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| 13:54.57 | jelly | dustybin: how many machines does your home have? |
| 13:55.06 | jelly | "50" |
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| 13:55.30 | dustybin | jelly: 1 |
| 13:55.39 | jelly | meh! |
| 13:55.43 | dustybin | actually 1x debian + 1 freebsd |
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| 13:56.02 | dustybin | those are the servers what are on 24.7 |
| 13:56.04 | steven | dustybin: what do you want to monitor ? |
| 13:56.12 | dustybin | steven: i dont mind, |
| 13:56.29 | dustybin | just a good general monitor |
| 13:56.30 | steven | dustybin: is this just for educational purposes ? |
| 13:56.34 | dustybin | yes |
| 13:56.47 | steven | Nagios would be a good bet |
| 13:56.49 | alcohol | dustybin: monit is really easy |
| 13:57.04 | dustybin | monit isnt industry standard? |
| 13:57.12 | alcohol | excuse me? |
| 13:57.15 | steven | monit is used quite a lot |
| 13:57.16 | alcohol | industry standard? |
| 13:57.17 | dustybin | steven: ok ill give that a go, i wonder if it can monitor my freebsd box as well? |
| 13:57.21 | steven | it's like a service watchdog |
| 13:57.39 | dustybin | alcohol: haha ok |
| 13:57.58 | r3r3 | greetings, anyone familiar with fail2ban? Do i have to tell f2ban if i change the default ftp and ssh port? |
| 13:58.03 | alcohol | monit runs on almost unix systems |
| 13:58.08 | dustybin | ace |
| 13:58.13 | alcohol | it's simplicity is also a reason why it's so commonly used |
| 13:58.13 | steven | also God |
| 13:58.18 | steven | is quite goof |
| 13:58.20 | steven | doog |
| 13:58.27 | steven | tut sorry good |
| 13:58.37 | steven | it's like monit but uses ruby |
| 13:58.58 | alcohol | yes I have heard of that |
| 13:58.59 | jelly | steven: ... but is it industry standard! |
| 13:59.16 | alcohol | I imagine syslog would be industry standard |
| 13:59.16 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:59.23 | dustybin | how about 'mon' ? |
| 13:59.29 | alcohol | or 'top'! |
| 13:59.40 | dustybin | oh yeah |
| 13:59.43 | steven | jelly: why not it does contain the buzz word ruby! |
| 13:59.49 | alcohol | RubyGod |
| 13:59.50 | alcohol | =D |
| 14:00.22 | r3r3 | rubyish |
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| 14:00.33 | alcohol | rubish? |
| 14:00.35 | jelly | steven: you can't answer an industry standard question with "why not"! |
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| 14:00.46 | r3r3 | just kiddin |
| 14:01.16 | jelly | rudy, the red nosed language |
| 14:01.18 | steven | jelly: lol oh |
| 14:01.30 | alcohol | oh God |
| 14:01.33 | alcohol | what did we start |
| 14:01.34 | alcohol | :< |
| 14:01.51 | jelly | alcohol: favored with drunks, or so I hear |
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| 14:03.00 | segfault- | hi |
| 14:04.36 | alcohol | ih |
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| 14:05.32 | badserii | Hi. I have a problem with apache mod_rewrite. Can you take a look and tell me where is the mistake? http://paste.ubuntu.com/105162/ Thank you! |
| 14:05.40 | dustybin | does nagios work by sending out packets to various services, ie port 25 SMTP, and port 80 etc, then if a service went down, it emails you etc? |
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| 14:05.57 | danielv | hi |
| 14:06.13 | segfault- | i kinda have a problem for my aptitude |
| 14:06.28 | danielv | what package shoul install for use atheros wireless card? |
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| 14:06.53 | jelly | dustybin: more than packets, it waits for a sensible banner and usually does some protocol handshake as well |
| 14:07.14 | jelly | dustybin: but in general, yes |
| 14:07.26 | segfault- | i the situation : |
| 14:07.35 | segfault- | enterprise network, filtered with cisco |
| 14:07.45 | segfault- | the problem : very slow download speed |
| 14:07.55 | segfault- | solution : Ahem, got there to get hints :D |
| 14:07.59 | badserii | dustybin: No. There is a plugin on the remote hosts (nrpe), that plugin executes nagios scripts to test various services. And replies to the monitoring host. If something's wrong, the monitoring host sends email. |
| 14:08.04 | segfault- | (i got full access to the router) |
| 14:08.30 | badserii | dustybin: I forgot to mention - that plugin listens on port 5666 for the monitoring host. |
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| 14:08.56 | steven | badserii: Nagios does do active checks on services as well |
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| 14:09.18 | steven | nrpe is only used for checks that must run locally like disk checks, and even then you can use ssh if you choose.. |
| 14:09.34 | jelly | or snmp |
| 14:09.43 | badserii | steven: I did not know. |
| 14:10.05 | dustybin | ok, so nagios can monitor services, can it also monitor your logs? and anything else? |
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| 14:10.21 | steven | dustybin: it can monitor whatever you want |
| 14:10.22 | craigevil | danielv: madwifi-tools , ath_pci module unless you are using a 2.6.27 or 2.6.28 kernel in which case ath5k is in the kernel |
| 14:10.32 | dustybin | steven: even my CPU temp? |
| 14:10.36 | steven | dustybin: most of the monitoring is implemented using short custom scripts |
| 14:10.46 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 14:10.54 | steven | dustybin: Nagios is essentially a check scheduler and reporting framework |
| 14:10.59 | badserii | dustybin: for the logs I used to use logcheck |
| 14:11.04 | dustybin | i see, very nice |
| 14:11.35 | nsadmin | segfault- as you've described so far there are far too many possibilities... the cisco router is beyond the scope of the channel, btw; nothing to be done there. |
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| 14:12.09 | dustybin | badserii: if logcheck is designed for logs, it might be easier to setup than nagios |
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| 14:12.29 | segfault- | nsadmin, download speeds for workstations : around 200kb/s download speed for the debian aptitude on the same network : 20kb/s |
| 14:12.40 | steven | hm debian does not play well with my iLO's :( |
| 14:13.11 | stoned | whas an ilo |
| 14:13.19 | danielv | tahnks craigevil |
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| 14:13.41 | steven | integrated lights out, HP baseboard management solution |
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| 14:13.49 | stoned | ok |
| 14:13.50 | badserii | dustybin: yes, logcheck definitely is easier to setup. search for it on sourceforge. |
| 14:13.58 | dustybin | ace |
| 14:14.14 | nsadmin | segfault- so you're saying it's only the debian box that's so slow |
| 14:14.22 | enouf | streuner: like HP specific DMI |
| 14:14.33 | segfault- | two debian boxes actually, tried on another computer to confirm the problem |
| 14:14.33 | nsadmin | using what protocol? |
| 14:14.45 | badserii | dustybin: of course if your intention was log monitoring. If you do it for security reasons, you can use also OSSEC HIDS (with or without active response) |
| 14:14.47 | segfault- | but basically : yes, download process for aptitude is wronged by something |
| 14:14.49 | enouf | gah, i meant stoned ,not streuner |
| 14:14.52 | nsadmin | using what protocol? |
| 14:14.59 | segfault- | http protocol |
| 14:15.08 | stoned | enouf, I got ya |
| 14:15.12 | segfault- | nothing fancy |
| 14:15.26 | dustybin | badserii: never heard of that! |
| 14:15.35 | stoned | enouf, snow |
| 14:15.37 | nsadmin | have you tried downloading stuff from the same site on the other boxes? |
| 14:15.50 | segfault- | i tried 20 different mirrors |
| 14:15.55 | pipcookie | Hmm. |
| 14:16.00 | nsadmin | on the other boxes? |
| 14:16.00 | segfault- | from finland to brazil ^ |
| 14:16.04 | segfault- | yep |
| 14:16.13 | stoned | whats the problem? |
| 14:16.14 | segfault- | dlded some services packs yesterday |
| 14:16.17 | nsadmin | not the debian ones? |
| 14:16.20 | segfault- | for my win32 users |
| 14:16.31 | segfault- | not tried yet to download stuff on them |
| 14:16.32 | nsadmin | from a debian mirror? |
| 14:16.33 | segfault- | can do that.. |
| 14:16.44 | segfault- | hmm nope |
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| 14:17.07 | nsadmin | try downloading the same service pack on the debian box |
| 14:17.17 | stoned | service pack? |
| 14:17.19 | stoned | debian!? |
| 14:17.22 | stoned | wtf is going on? |
| 14:17.23 | segfault- | sec |
| 14:17.35 | enouf | jelly: have you ever used http://packages.debian.org/lenny/monit ? and if so, is it effective - would it be worth it for dustybin to look at (i missed his initial query about nagios) |
| 14:17.43 | segfault- | stoned, my little debian box at new job is having troubles |
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| 14:17.54 | stoned | but what service packs man? |
| 14:17.58 | enouf | haha |
| 14:17.58 | stoned | what are you on about? |
| 14:18.00 | segfault- | (and the fired sysadmin removed as much info as he can) |
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| 14:18.16 | enouf | stoned: quick! upgrade to SP2 |
| 14:18.23 | segfault- | (been hell to get network infrastructure ..) |
| 14:18.35 | stoned | so he is trying to download xp service packs on debian? |
| 14:18.37 | segfault- | brb, getting something to download from the debian box |
| 14:18.41 | stoned | what I give up |
| 14:18.45 | segfault- | ..if ssh server is on |
| 14:18.45 | stoned | its probably deeper than that |
| 14:19.08 | stoned | oh your network is broken? |
| 14:19.14 | segfault- | stoned, prolly a network problem, gotta found what |
| 14:19.27 | nsadmin | so far we don't have a proper basis for comparison... either try downloading something like the service pack you did from the win boxes, or download a largish debian package using the win box |
| 14:19.27 | stoned | debian box is slow while everything else is fast? |
| 14:19.37 | segfault- | yeah |
| 14:19.44 | segfault- | let me check if i can remote login first :P |
| 14:19.45 | nsadmin | that should verify there is a problem |
| 14:19.52 | jelly | segfault-: do you have any other linux machine in the network? |
| 14:19.57 | segfault- | yeah some |
| 14:20.10 | segfault- | a data backup one |
| 14:20.10 | jelly | segfault-: do they experience the same issue? |
| 14:20.13 | segfault- | but it's on fedora |
| 14:20.16 | enouf | too many Enters |
| 14:20.18 | steven | check nic full/half duplex / bad packets ? |
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| 14:20.19 | segfault- | and it does only lan |
| 14:20.41 | pipcookie | Right, so according to google, in order to resize my windows partition, giving more room to lenny, I'm supposed to use gparted on a live cd. I've already got gparted, but I'm not sure how to put it on a live cd. Has anyone got a minute to explain it to me? |
| 14:20.41 | enouf | netstat -s | grep bad |
| 14:20.44 | nsadmin | btw how is the debian boxes between each other on the lan? |
| 14:21.17 | nsadmin | got a netinst image to transfer between them? |
| 14:21.41 | nsadmin | that would say something about whether the problem is really localized |
| 14:21.42 | pipcookie | and sorry for the silliness of the question. This is the first time i've done anything with linux other than play solitaire and type up homework. |
| 14:21.45 | segfault- | fine latency |
| 14:21.47 | segfault- | 2 ms |
| 14:21.56 | segfault- | between comps. & debian box |
| 14:22.25 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 14:22.27 | segfault- | ok, first openssh-server :D |
| 14:22.59 | nsadmin | wait, first do the debian boxes have dns names and is reverse dns provided for their s? |
| 14:23.02 | segfault- | hmmm |
| 14:23.07 | segfault- | out of curiosity |
| 14:23.14 | nsadmin | IPs |
| 14:23.16 | segfault- | what mecanism does use tasksel ? |
| 14:23.39 | segfault- | nsadmin, nope, it's a local workstation the only reliable linux one yet |
| 14:23.46 | nsadmin | tasksel uses apt-get and therefore whatever apt-get uses |
| 14:24.05 | jelly | pipcookie: there's solitaire for linux?? |
| 14:24.18 | nsadmin | the lack of an internal dns name for the box could be part of the problem |
| 14:24.25 | steven | apt-get uses wget |
| 14:24.26 | nsadmin | jelly: where have you been?? |
| 14:24.31 | segfault- | ok first test |
| 14:24.35 | segfault- | downloading a netinstall |
| 14:24.51 | jelly | nsadmin: in the cold |
| 14:25.00 | pipcookie | umm, it comes standard with gnome |
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| 14:25.03 | nsadmin | download it to a win workstation capable of serving it to the debian box |
| 14:25.05 | pipcookie | aislerot solitare |
| 14:25.18 | pipcookie | err |
| 14:25.20 | pipcookie | aisleriot |
| 14:25.42 | pipcookie | figured out the livecd thing. Oh google how I love you. |
| 14:25.47 | enouf | awaits the debut of microsoft bob on linux |
| 14:26.19 | segfault- | fsck |
| 14:26.27 | segfault- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso <- 10kb /S |
| 14:26.36 | segfault- | trying something else huge on net |
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| 14:27.02 | nsadmin | download it to a win box so you have somethign big to transfer locally and you get it fast |
| 14:27.10 | abrotman | enouf: it's called kde :) |
| 14:27.25 | segfault- | nsadmin, would not solve aptitude problem |
| 14:27.30 | nsadmin | even has minesweeper |
| 14:27.36 | segfault- | and doing a mirror on those conditions ............... |
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| 14:27.57 | enouf | bash.orgs that |
| 14:28.02 | tapas | what's the newest debian that supports 2.4.x kernels? |
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| 14:28.18 | nsadmin | sarge? |
| 14:28.21 | abrotman | tapas: sarge, but it's unsupported |
| 14:28.34 | tapas | abrotman: that's fine.. |
| 14:28.49 | nsadmin | it's still oldstable but not for long |
| 14:28.51 | enouf | perhaps ; echo $http_proxy ; echo $HTTP_PROXY |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | tapas: but what requires a 2.4.x kernel ? |
| 14:29.16 | nsadmin | segfault- we don't even know what the problem is |
| 14:29.24 | tapas | abrotman: the kernel modules for our anthromorphic robot hand robot hand |
| 14:29.25 | nsadmin | his machine? |
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| 14:29.32 | abrotman | tapas: i'm sorry |
| 14:29.33 | tapas | s/robot hand// |
| 14:29.40 | segfault- | well, the only problem is the download speed yet |
| 14:29.41 | pipcookie | Hmm. |
| 14:29.42 | tapas | abrotman: that's fine :) |
| 14:29.48 | abrotman | tapas: well, yep, sarge |
| 14:29.50 | segfault- | the comp boot in 15secs |
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| 14:29.59 | segfault- | and is almost freshly installed |
| 14:30.04 | dareth | I want to migrate a squid.conf file from one debian etch box to another. |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | tapas: /msg dpkg cd archive |
| 14:30.12 | enouf | check your /etc/apt/apt* files/dirs for things |
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| 14:30.20 | segfault- | (wich is why i inquiry this, could can't finish with slow dl spee)d |
| 14:30.26 | tapas | argh searching the debian site without a mouse is a bit of pain ;) |
| 14:30.38 | nsadmin | segfault-: so do you have something large that can be transferred internally yet? |
| 14:30.38 | dareth | I can cut out just the access rules/etc, but I can't seem to just copy the whole config file and have it work on the other box. |
| 14:30.39 | enouf | tapas: not on links2 ;-) |
| 14:30.42 | abrotman | tapas: no need .. msg the bot, he'll give you the URL to the CDs |
| 14:30.48 | segfault- | internally yes i got |
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| 14:30.50 | tapas | abrotman: yep, just saw his answer :) |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | ISOs .. wahtever |
| 14:31.01 | segfault- | http://test-debit.free.fr/ <- going with that first since the problem seems externally |
| 14:31.19 | tapas | sarge is 3.0 |
| 14:31.22 | tapas | 3.x? |
| 14:31.25 | stoned | 3.1 |
| 14:31.29 | tapas | ok |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | tapas: /msg dpkg release history .. learn them all! test after dinner |
| 14:31.52 | enouf | pop quiz at eleven! |
| 14:31.56 | nsadmin | if you'd like my help, I'd like to rule out problems so we can get to what the problem really is... if not, you're on your own |
| 14:31.56 | stoned | heh |
| 14:32.17 | tapas | abrotman: :) |
| 14:32.21 | abrotman | doesn't want nsadmin's help |
| 14:32.30 | stoned | damn, burn. |
| 14:32.35 | segfault- | nsadmin, got already the wanted result, same problem from outside |
| 14:32.47 | segfault- | trying to get something from lan now |
| 14:32.51 | segfault- | trough scp or whatever |
| 14:32.56 | segfault- | brb |
| 14:33.10 | stoned | I stopped having network problems and started having power problems |
| 14:33.16 | stoned | I think I need to buy a UPS |
| 14:33.22 | nsadmin | the thing is we've already seen the outside problem, that's what you came in with |
| 14:33.42 | stoned | or at least a voltage stabalizer box |
| 14:33.53 | nsadmin | get one of those smart apc ones that can tell your computer to shut down |
| 14:33.55 | abrotman | just get an UPS, battery and power conditioning! |
| 14:33.56 | stoned | I got 7 machines in my room and they keep tripping the breaker at least once a day |
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| 14:34.04 | abrotman | oh .. that's different |
| 14:34.08 | stoned | yeh |
| 14:34.15 | stoned | I need a stabalizer or soemthing |
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| 14:34.30 | abrotman | or smaller machines |
| 14:34.31 | nsadmin | you need more current handling on that breaker or less machines |
| 14:34.32 | stoned | its weird only started recently, I move my electric heater around a bit, and my lights flicker! |
| 14:34.48 | stoned | I told the landlord get an electrician down here but he is cheap |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | it's your fault, not his |
| 14:35.02 | stoned | how come? |
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| 14:35.10 | pipcookie | too many things plugged in at once |
| 14:35.13 | stoned | yeh |
| 14:35.14 | stoned | :( |
| 14:35.16 | nsadmin | you're taxing the breaker for your entire circuit |
| 14:35.21 | stoned | yup |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | the electrician will say "no kidding you're tripping the breaker, you're overloading the circuit with way more than it should be having" |
| 14:35.31 | enouf | stoned: older hardware doesn't draw as much current! :-p |
| 14:35.31 | petemc | stick your fingers in the sockets |
| 14:35.33 | nsadmin | that probably covers every outlet in your unit |
| 14:35.42 | stoned | ok |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | stoned: time for you to invest in uATX :) |
| 14:35.55 | stoned | so I can take down 1 etch machine, 1 bsd machine uhm... |
| 14:35.56 | nsadmin | be sure to stand in water that's in contact with the ground :) |
| 14:35.58 | stoned | 2 laptops |
| 14:36.09 | stoned | man I gotta have at least 3 machiens running |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | sends stoned to logic-supply.com |
| 14:36.12 | enouf | swaps y2k era machines with stoned 's brand new boxes .. |
| 14:36.14 | stoned | ok |
| 14:36.16 | stoned | going now |
| 14:36.30 | pipcookie | has lived with no electricity at home for a year and a half |
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| 14:36.32 | abrotman | whoops .. no "-" |
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| 14:36.38 | stoned | found it |
| 14:36.45 | nsadmin | use vservers |
| 14:36.47 | stoned | Amish? |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | you can stack a pile of mini-ITX machines |
| 14:36.56 | stoned | you computer runs on potatos? |
| 14:36.57 | pipcookie | no, activist :) |
| 14:36.58 | stoned | damn. |
| 14:36.58 | segfault- | abrotman, my answer to electricians in general "i do not ask for a chat but for a job done, just get going" :D |
| 14:37.00 | stoned | pipcookie, hehe |
| 14:37.06 | pipcookie | I do my computering at the bar. |
| 14:37.14 | nsadmin | no, on potatoes |
| 14:37.17 | abrotman | segfault-: yeah, but if you're blowing a 20amp breaker, something is wrong |
| 14:37.18 | pipcookie | here in holland you can squat legally |
| 14:37.20 | enouf | stoned: find a washer/dryer, refrig, or air conditioner outlet - the latter is best in the winter ;-) |
| 14:37.37 | segfault- | abrotman, always the fault of the preceeding sysadmin :P |
| 14:37.38 | pipcookie | and I had the misfortune of squatting a building that had no cables coming in |
| 14:37.39 | enouf | stoned: usually those are on their own circuit/breaker |
| 14:37.40 | stoned | I'm deciding which machiens to take down |
| 14:37.51 | stoned | its all so important |
| 14:37.52 | abrotman | just wait for the breaker, they'll all go |
| 14:37.56 | stoned | lol |
| 14:37.58 | nsadmin | mmhmm :P |
| 14:38.05 | enouf | stoned: if an extension is needed, use no less than 14guage wire/cord/lead |
| 14:38.15 | enouf | stoned: and less == higher number |
| 14:38.16 | abrotman | stoned: or learn how to use kvm/vmware/qemu/etc |
| 14:38.17 | steven | iLO + RemoteConsole and Virtualmedia anyone come across where the VirtualMedia mount stops working half way through a debian install ? |
| 14:38.33 | stoned | yeh, I think I 'll build a new quad core machine, with like 8gb |
| 14:38.39 | stoned | amd64 and then run vmware in it |
| 14:38.42 | nsadmin | enouf: he's probably tripping the breaker for the outlets in his whole unit |
| 14:38.43 | stoned | and a ups too |
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| 14:38.53 | stoned | ok two thigns I need then, ok I think Igot it now |
| 14:38.56 | stoned | thanks |
| 14:39.22 | abrotman | nsadmin: i would hope his building isn't that shoddy |
| 14:39.24 | stoned | for a quad core with 8gb ram and stuf how much of a psu I can get away with? |
| 14:39.34 | stoned | abrotman, its a house, nice new house |
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| 14:39.39 | stoned | just that I'm over loading this |
| 14:39.47 | nsadmin | it depends on what else he's running |
| 14:39.49 | enouf | no it isn't, i've seen pics |
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| 14:39.57 | nsadmin | like heating elements |
| 14:40.00 | stoned | enouf, ? |
| 14:40.11 | enouf | it's an old dilapidated rundown tenemant ;-) |
| 14:40.16 | stoned | no |
| 14:40.22 | enouf | you moved? |
| 14:40.23 | stoned | its a straw shack why not |
| 14:40.50 | nsadmin | what is the breaker rated at? |
| 14:40.52 | enouf | actually, straw is an excellent building material |
| 14:40.55 | stoned | nsadmin, dunno |
| 14:40.59 | enouf | look |
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| 14:41.11 | nsadmin | it's not on the face by the switch? |
| 14:41.17 | stoned | its too far away |
| 14:41.18 | enouf | you can go up to 20amps on the typical 15amp lines |
| 14:41.18 | stoned | :( |
| 14:41.23 | enouf | for 110v |
| 14:41.27 | nsadmin | aww :) |
| 14:41.33 | stoned | you know pakistan has breakers that don't trip |
| 14:41.36 | stoned | for some reason |
| 14:41.39 | george_xtr | Hi guys, how can I solve the unmet dependencies problem, I am getting this error libqt4-debug: Depends: libqt4-gui (= 4.2.1-2+etch1) but 4.4.3-2 is to be installed |
| 14:41.41 | enouf | Oil :-) |
| 14:41.44 | stoned | I've never had electricity go out in pakistan |
| 14:41.51 | stoned | except for the days of factory load shedding |
| 14:41.53 | abrotman | george_xtr: you've been mixing versions of debian |
| 14:41.59 | abrotman | takes stoned's enter key |
| 14:42.02 | stoned | sorry! |
| 14:42.02 | stew | stoned: wrong channel |
| 14:42.28 | george_xtr | abrotman, no sourcelist points to etch |
| 14:42.35 | stew | george_xtr: you upgraded libqt4-gui to testing |
| 14:42.51 | stew | george_xtr: (and probably a bunch of other things with it) |
| 14:42.51 | nsadmin | judd, versions libqt4-gui |
| 14:42.52 | judd | nsadmin: libqt4-gui -- etch: 4.2.1-2+etch1 etch-security: 4.2.1-2+etch1 lenny: 4.4.3-1 sid: 4.4.3-2 |
| 14:43.11 | nsadmin | george_xtr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:43.12 | stew | george_xtr: so since you are running testing now, your sources.list should be pointing at lenny or testing, not etch |
| 14:43.34 | george_xtr | ok |
| 14:43.57 | nsadmin | and do you want to be running stable or testing? |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | probably lenny |
| 14:44.08 | abrotman | no, really, lenny :) |
| 14:44.10 | enouf | stoned: power draw / wattage wise, figure 1875 watts of power draw per 15amps, so that's ~18 100w light bulbs on at once, but spikes from say power tools, and on/off switches will also trip breakers |
| 14:44.13 | george_xtr | stable packages are to old |
| 14:44.21 | nsadmin | george_xtr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:44.27 | george_xtr | lenny/sid |
| 14:44.43 | enouf | stoned: that's why you don't see consumer hair dryers or heaters say over that amount |
| 14:44.50 | tapas | hmm, how do i setup my sources list, so i can get main for 386 sarge? |
| 14:44.54 | nsadmin | ok, so you've done an incomplete upgrade... try running dpkg --configure --pending |
| 14:44.54 | abrotman | george_xtr: switch your sources to point at 'lenny' instead of stable |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | tapas: /msg dpkg archive |
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| 14:45.24 | george_xtr | abrotman, done, updating aptitude right now |
| 14:45.25 | segfault- | nsadmin, downloading a file trough scp (on LAN) |
| 14:45.31 | abrotman | tapas: the last URL |
| 14:45.39 | tapas | abrotman: OK |
| 14:45.48 | nsadmin | segfault-: from what to what? |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | tapas: there's a README there that tells you how to setup your sources to work with it |
| 14:45.54 | enouf | (and usually, negating power tools, a Refrig, or other appliance kicking on/off is enough to cause a trip) .. but i'm done, sorry about the OT |
| 14:45.55 | nsadmin | and how large is the file? |
| 14:46.02 | stew | enouf: wrong channel |
| 14:46.22 | segfault- | nsadmin, local workstation to debian box |
| 14:46.35 | segfault- | (had to copy from network share first) |
| 14:46.40 | nsadmin | local workstation running what? |
| 14:46.44 | segfault- | vista |
| 14:46.47 | nsadmin | ok |
| 14:46.52 | segfault- | (not my choice, gota reinstall it) |
| 14:47.00 | segfault- | other workstations : mix of Xp & vista |
| 14:47.12 | segfault- | with 1 win domain |
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| 14:47.28 | lvh | hi |
| 14:47.30 | dapper-daniel | hej! I have a problem compiling a program (bdremote) on debian etch 64bit http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/393738/. It works fine on ubuntu 32bit so there might be a problem with 64bit? |
| 14:47.32 | nsadmin | I don't really need all those details (or uses of the enter key) |
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| 14:47.48 | tapas | abrotman: thanks, got it now :) |
| 14:47.57 | lvh | how can I allow a user to mount isos (-t iso9660 -o loop,rw) by himself, without superuser privileges, under his own home directory? |
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| 14:48.21 | abrotman | dapper-daniel: ask the author of the software, it ca'nt find sometihng it needs |
| 14:48.25 | lvh | sudo? |
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| 14:48.35 | segfault- | lvh, chown the iso |
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| 14:49.02 | segfault- | or add him to a specific group |
| 14:49.09 | stoned | enouf, ##hardware please |
| 14:49.18 | stoned | or d-chat |
| 14:49.21 | lvh | segfault-: -rwxr-xr-x 1 lvh lvh 3594958848 Jan 15 15:38 |
| 14:49.26 | lvh | segfault-: the iso is already mine |
| 14:49.36 | lvh | segfault-: lvh is my user, and I want to mount an iso :-) |
| 14:49.43 | nsadmin | segfault- so scp should be telling you the rate it's operating at |
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| 14:50.05 | lvh | lvh@archibald:~$ mount -t iso9660 -o rw,loop myiso.iso ~/iso/ gets me: mount: only root can do that |
| 14:50.22 | nsadmin | so be root :) |
| 14:50.22 | segfault- | nsadmin, letting him run a few more bytes .. 400 mb sounds a fine amount for test |
| 14:50.24 | peppe | lvh: the powah of root is with you |
| 14:50.27 | enouf | !pmount |
| 14:50.27 | dpkg | pmount is, like, "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 14:50.30 | segfault- | lvh, then sudo |
| 14:50.51 | nsadmin | segfault-: what's the current reported rate? |
| 14:50.57 | lvh | Thanks :-) |
| 14:51.09 | abrotman | lvh: who owns the loop device? |
| 14:51.29 | lvh | abrotman: no idea. How do I find out? /dev/loop0? |
| 14:51.30 | enouf | lvh: or ..place the correct options in /etc/fstab .. make sure user is in atleast these groups; cdrom audio video plugdev (and usually a typical user is in some others) |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | there's a "THE LOOP DEVICE" in man monut |
| 14:51.50 | lvh | abrotman: root, disk |
| 14:51.55 | lvh | All of them. |
| 14:52.02 | nsadmin | man monut refers to undocumented(7) |
| 14:52.09 | segfault- | nsadmin, 2770 kib/S |
| 14:52.17 | enouf | monet? nice paintings ;-) |
| 14:52.18 | nsadmin | ok |
| 14:52.30 | abrotman | lvh: not sure about you, i'm not in the disk group as a user |
| 14:52.34 | segfault- | already 350 mb up |
| 14:52.42 | enouf | Astroman: uh .. that's kind of .. dangerous |
| 14:52.44 | segfault- | sounds like a fair network traffic to me .. |
| 14:52.46 | lvh | abrotman: No, me neither. |
| 14:52.47 | nsadmin | so what is the rate when a vista workstation tries to transfer from another vista workstation |
| 14:52.48 | enouf | erm abrotman i meant |
| 14:52.57 | abrotman | enouf: i know it is |
| 14:52.57 | segfault- | dunno |
| 14:52.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.00 | nsadmin | again inside the lan |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | lvh: oyu don't want to be in that group |
| 14:53.02 | enouf | ok |
| 14:53.03 | lvh | abrotman: in /etc/group: disk:x:6: |
| 14:53.05 | nsadmin | give it a shot |
| 14:53.07 | lvh | abrotman: I'm not in that group. |
| 14:53.10 | segfault- | but from the win2k3 server the rate was almost similar |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | lvh: yes, having you in that group is not good, but you may be able to change the ownership of an existing loop or create a new one for you |
| 14:53.28 | segfault- | (again, not my choice, just arrived on the job) |
| 14:53.34 | nsadmin | ok, so internally there is no problem... you agree with that? |
| 14:53.39 | lvh | abrotman: Ah, I see. Thanks. |
| 14:53.40 | enouf | abrotman: my bad - i missed the not in your orig statement |
| 14:53.40 | segfault- | yep |
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| 14:54.02 | segfault- | nsadmin, but if you don't mind, brb 10 mins for a smoke |
| 14:54.03 | enouf | --> more coffee or something |
| 14:54.14 | nsadmin | do the workstations have dns names? could the router be "purposely" rate limiting them? |
| 14:54.25 | segfault- | hmmmmmmm |
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| 14:55.01 | segfault- | loading SDM.. |
| 14:55.17 | segfault- | (only the cisco router is doing that kind of job on the network) |
| 14:55.17 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure we've ruled out the debian boxes themselves as the problem |
| 14:55.26 | martiiin | Hello, I am trying to download a image file to I can install debian, anyway I am on the website and I am looking at the "Official CD/DVD images of the stable release" but when i click on the i386 all i get is like 20 different iso files. Wich one to pick? |
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| 14:55.44 | segfault- | nsadmin, i think it's more likely to be a protocol problem or so .. |
| 14:55.46 | segfault- | dunno |
| 14:55.55 | segfault- | loading sdm & getting a smoke |
| 14:55.56 | segfault- | brb |
| 14:56.07 | nsadmin | that may be... but haven't we tried a few different protocols? |
| 14:56.11 | nsadmin | ok |
| 14:56.15 | nsadmin | coffee for mee |
| 14:56.16 | enouf | martiiin: netinstall is fine, or CD1 as well |
| 14:56.42 | martiiin | enouf awesome |
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| 14:56.58 | ferguscan | where on a debian install can I find a list of installed packages? |
| 14:57.15 | nsadmin | ferguscan: dpkg --help |
| 14:57.57 | enouf | martiiin: is the intended motherboard very new? if so, you might want a etchnhalf, or newer kernel than the typical 2.6.18 that etch has, so that your hardware is supported - many times, newer hardware has issues with Wifi, Wired NICs, and Disk Controllers not yet supported (because they weren't yet manufactured) way back when 2.6.18 ws released |
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| 14:58.12 | enouf | martiiin: /msg dpkg etchnhalf (if you like) |
| 14:58.13 | ferguscan | nsadmin, the install isn't actually operating (it's broke), but I have a copy of the HDD contents. Is there a file I can find the info in? |
| 14:59.18 | enouf | martiiin: the netinstall can and does give a very-basic basic install, even with no working network, however, having working Net is a big plus so you can d/l many more software items initially, and get a GUI up and running from the very 1st reboot |
| 14:59.42 | enouf | s/very-basic basic/vary-basic base |
| 15:00.04 | enouf | ferguscan: /msg dpkg selections |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | ferguscan: use the /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
| 15:00.15 | nsadmin | ferguscan (from man dpkg, FILES section) /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 15:01.39 | nsadmin | bassic bass? |
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| 15:01.51 | enouf | can't find the stupid boobtube remote .. someone oughta put beepers on those things |
| 15:02.23 | nsadmin | I've seen beeper pairs for important stuff like keys, remotes, girlfriends... |
| 15:02.41 | enouf | i've used cow bells before, sure ;-) |
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| 15:04.49 | stoned | I have little thingy in the side of my sofa, it has a place for all the remotes |
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| 15:04.59 | stoned | its always there |
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| 15:06.58 | segfault- | nsadmin, not really, only 3 (scp, http, ftp) and two of them from outside network (http, ftp for the debian box & my vista comp) |
| 15:07.59 | nsadmin | segfault-: but they are different enough to rule out protocol as a problem... well maybe not, I think they're all tcp |
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| 15:08.23 | segfault- | nsadmin, i'm checking the router right now |
| 15:08.30 | jelly | segfault-: care to make a tcpdump capture of an affected session and paste it somewhere? |
| 15:08.41 | segfault- | jelly, sure |
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| 15:08.53 | segfault- | going to do that with tasksel running |
| 15:08.56 | segfault- | brb |
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| 15:09.32 | nsadmin | segfault-: find out which machines on the local net have dns and reverse dns supplying them with internal dns names |
| 15:10.30 | nsadmin | what else could the router be differentiating on |
| 15:10.47 | trifler | Is MPLS considerd as a tunneö protocol? |
| 15:10.51 | trifler | tunnel* |
| 15:10.54 | segfault- | every comps use the win2k3 as the dns and the cisco router as the gateway |
| 15:11.02 | segfault- | nsadmin, dunno really.. |
| 15:11.54 | pipcookie | okay, for some reason, when I run Gparted from a live cd, it doesn't find anything |
| 15:12.03 | nsadmin | segfault-: reread more carefully :) which machines -have names- served by, I guess, the win2k3 box |
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| 15:12.32 | enouf | pipcookie: what architecture is your machine? |
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| 15:12.57 | Hideme | Can anyone tell me the name of that Kernel patch that "simulates" a 64bit O/S? eg: I've got a 32bit O/S and require more than 3.5GB or RAM, this patch apparently allows up to 32GB. |
| 15:12.59 | segfault- | nsadmin, i bet every ones connected to the windomain |
| 15:13.14 | nsadmin | find out for sure, I'm not taking bets |
| 15:13.14 | enouf | !+tell Hideme -about bigmem |
| 15:13.14 | dpkg | told Hideme about bigmem. |
| 15:13.24 | pipcookie | ...architecture? |
| 15:13.33 | pipcookie | sorry |
| 15:13.34 | enouf | and it's 64GB, and it's not a patch, just some config options |
| 15:13.46 | pipcookie | I really am a n00b. |
| 15:14.17 | segfault- | nsadmin, sec.. |
| 15:14.22 | enouf | pipcookie: well, you can't install Debian without knowing which arch .. see wikipedia.org and debian.org/ports |
| 15:14.38 | nsadmin | pipcookie: architecture is when Kelly Bundy uses a bow and arrow... |
| 15:15.13 | enouf | nsadmin: you're making me randy, quit it :-p |
| 15:15.46 | pipcookie | no, my dad installed it for me |
| 15:15.51 | stoned | dude |
| 15:15.53 | stoned | sick. |
| 15:15.58 | pipcookie | but he set up windows with a 100gb partition |
| 15:16.02 | pipcookie | which I want to shrink down |
| 15:16.05 | stoned | why? |
| 15:16.12 | stoned | 100gb is good enough |
| 15:16.28 | stoned | !ops Computer is spamming in private |
| 15:16.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stoned complains about: Computer is spamming in private |
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| 15:16.40 | Hideme | enouf I assume each applications will be allowed to use up to 3.4GB from the total amount of memory?? |
| 15:16.41 | pipcookie | because I use windows for playing spore. |
| 15:16.43 | pipcookie | and nothing else. |
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| 15:16.44 | segfault- | nsadmin, everyone.. even the 192.168.100.20 has an entry in the reversal domain search |
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| 15:16.45 | trifler | 100Gb? wow |
| 15:16.48 | amikrop | Hello. How can I search in which file there is some content? Probably with a combination of cat and grep, but what is the exact command? |
| 15:16.56 | stoned | hmm it doesnt' seem to be on join |
| 15:17.00 | stoned | but I getting spam |
| 15:17.02 | stoned | I'm |
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| 15:17.02 | Computer | stoned, that wasn't spam |
| 15:17.13 | nsadmin | segfault- what machine is 192.168.100.20? |
| 15:17.15 | stoned | !tell Computer -about guidelines |
| 15:17.20 | LoRez | stoned: then ignore him |
| 15:17.29 | stoned | LoRez, ok |
| 15:17.40 | Computer | stoned, you mentioned a channel of a topic and i /msg'ed you with the name of the right channel |
| 15:17.59 | stoned | but I don't know you |
| 15:18.04 | stoned | you caught me off gaurd :) |
| 15:18.05 | nsadmin | and? |
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| 15:18.20 | azeem | Computer: please don't /msg people unless when asked for |
| 15:18.21 | stoned | I don't expect messages from random folks, I thought you were a spammer |
| 15:18.29 | stoned | sorry |
| 15:19.06 | enouf | Hideme: there's a 3GB limit per process on 32bit, however using a 64bit kernel might be for you, but still the 3G/1G split will be there, but if you use 64bit amd64 arch, then userland will also be 64bit, and no 3G per process limitation like that -IINM |
| 15:19.23 | stoned | Computer, may I msg you back? |
| 15:19.28 | Computer | No |
| 15:19.31 | enouf | Hideme: i should say, 3G limit + 1G for the kernel - so 4G total |
| 15:19.36 | segfault- | nsadmin, the debian box :) |
| 15:19.48 | Computer | I'm just kidding. Sure, go ahead |
| 15:19.54 | enouf | Hideme: however the kernel can also be config'd to split it other ways, such as 2/2 |
| 15:20.04 | stoned | Computer, thank you |
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| 15:20.31 | Hideme | enouf: 64bit o/s isn't supported by the app I need. |
| 15:20.38 | stoned | Hideme, which app? |
| 15:20.51 | stoned | Hideme, you can run a 32bit chroot or see if your sw will run on ia32-libs |
| 15:20.54 | craigevil | enouf: doesnt using the bigmem kernel take care of that on 32bit as well |
| 15:20.57 | enouf | Hideme: you also need a 64bit CPU to run either the amd64 arch, or even use it's kernel |
| 15:21.02 | stoned | you can have a 64bit system and 32bit cpu |
| 15:21.04 | stew | Hideme: you can run a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit os |
| 15:21.11 | stoned | doh s/cpu/sofware |
| 15:21.29 | enouf | craigevil: it allows for 4-64GB of memory mapping, not increasing the per-process amount, AFAIK |
| 15:21.59 | enouf | craigevil: whatever magic PAE does, + the NX bit |
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| 15:22.52 | segfault- | nsadmin, ? |
| 15:24.31 | segfault- | jelly, you want the tcpdump ? |
| 15:24.34 | stoned | hey kde 4.1.4 is out cool |
| 15:24.58 | stoned | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html |
| 15:25.07 | jelly | segfault-: sure, why not |
| 15:25.19 | segfault- | jelly, 3 megs file, uploading it somewhere |
| 15:25.44 | segfault- | it's been a good 15 mins of loguing |
| 15:25.47 | enouf | Hideme: also, you mentioned 3.4G per process? .. that's possible, IIRC, (someone please chime in here, if i'm mistaken) since the kernel will only use the amount of memory necessary for it to work, that amount will increase/decrease while it's running, yet with a 3/1 split, it's guaranteed to stay below 1G, also note PCI (et al) device i/o mapping takes up address space as well |
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| 15:26.21 | Hideme | enouf I was just reading up on PAE too, as an alternitive to your bigmem suggestion. |
| 15:26.35 | Hideme | Not sure which is the best option though. |
| 15:26.44 | enouf | Hideme: the -bigmem kernels have CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G and PAE set, iirc |
| 15:26.47 | Hideme | PAE, bigmem, or hugemem were all suggested. |
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| 15:26.59 | enouf | er.. hugemem? ubuntu? |
| 15:27.32 | Hideme | enouf: Not sure if hugemem is Ubuntu specific. I'll be trying this under RedHat AS4 anyway. |
| 15:27.34 | stew | Hideme: why wouldn't you just run a 64 bit kernel? |
| 15:28.17 | Hideme | stew I didn't think you could use 32bit apps on a 64bit kernel. |
| 15:28.20 | segfault- | jelly, if you can sort something out of this .. well nice :P |
| 15:28.23 | stew | Hideme: you can |
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| 15:29.28 | Hideme | stew So, 32bit o/s, 32bit apps, 64bit kernel will work? I like the idea of kernel-hugemem so far. |
| 15:29.43 | stew | Hideme: "apt-cache search linux-image amd64" should list 64 bit kernels available to you when running i386 |
| 15:30.13 | stew | Hideme: yes, 64 bit kernel will work and would be faster than using the bigmem / pae hacks |
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| 15:33.40 | Hideme | stew So could I just use a package manager to install a 64bit kernel? And will any x86 64bit kernel suffice? |
| 15:33.58 | stew | Hideme: which cpu do you have? |
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| 15:34.24 | stew | Hideme: and which version of debian are you running? |
| 15:34.40 | Hideme | stew Intel Xeon, however, it'll be virtual hardware. |
| 15:34.54 | Hideme | Intel Xeon Quad core. |
| 15:35.06 | stew | Hideme: then yes, any amd64 kernel should work |
| 15:35.17 | stew | Hideme: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:35.32 | Hideme | stew amd64 for an Intel proc? |
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| 15:36.20 | stew | Hideme: yes |
| 15:36.32 | Hideme | Stew Actually, it won't be on Debian. RedHat AS4, I just asked about the mem option here as I am a loyal Debian user and always get the best responses here. |
| 15:36.46 | stew | Hideme: i have no idea then. try #redhat |
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| 15:37.10 | segfault- | fscking stupid network administrator preceding me |
| 15:37.19 | segfault- | don't know what he did setup |
| 15:37.34 | segfault- | but it mess-up uploads too (trough ftp !) |
| 15:37.43 | Hideme | stew ok, well thanks for your suggestions. :) |
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| 15:38.57 | jelly | Hideme: redhat, unlike debian, has a working multiarch and can install and run 32bit and 64bit packages simultaneously; so you can run your 32bit apps on an 64bit installation without many problems |
| 15:39.59 | segfault- | jelly, http://loursgeek.free.fr/tcpdump_during_tasksel.zip |
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| 15:40.26 | paxcoder | ok, who woted for binary blobs to be included? |
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| 15:40.32 | paxcoder | *v |
| 15:40.58 | paxcoder | i'm disappointed in Debian project (the community) |
| 15:41.14 | jelly | segfault-: uh. I thought you'd do tcpdump -w /tmp/file.pcap and upload file.pcap |
| 15:41.14 | petemc | paxcoder: it wasnt up to the community |
| 15:41.30 | meyou | anyone know if there's an official channel for hybrid irc server/ |
| 15:41.32 | paxcoder | petemc: i read there was a vote? |
| 15:41.34 | segfault- | doh |
| 15:41.38 | meyou | i'm guessing it's on efnet? |
| 15:41.42 | petemc | paxcoder: not for mere mortals |
| 15:41.48 | segfault- | jelly, well, i'll do that then |
| 15:41.55 | paxcoder | petemc: well, Debian contributors, no? |
| 15:42.07 | petemc | debian developers |
| 15:42.13 | paxcoder | exactly |
| 15:42.21 | paxcoder | which makes it even sadder |
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| 15:42.39 | jelly | segfault-: is running "apt-get update" slow as well? |
| 15:43.02 | petemc | paxcoder: you can please some of the people all the time.. |
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| 15:43.29 | paxcoder | petemc: lol. whom do you refer to? |
| 15:43.33 | segfault- | jelly, aptitude update you mean |
| 15:43.46 | petemc | its just an old platitude |
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| 15:43.56 | segfault- | jelly, a bit yeah |
| 15:44.05 | paxcoder | petemc: Plus it's a clear GPL violation. If some big company stood behind GPL, everyone would know how clear some of "desputed" clauses are. |
| 15:44.08 | segfault- | just changed mirrors now |
| 15:44.21 | paxcoder | it's sad, really |
| 15:44.46 | segfault- | gpl v3 is sad. |
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| 15:44.57 | themill | paxcoder: did you actually read the text of what was decided? |
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| 15:45.11 | segfault- | jelly, correction, it went slow for security.. |
| 15:45.14 | paxcoder | themill: no, allowing blobs is enough for me :-( |
| 15:45.25 | paxcoder | themill: do you think i should? |
| 15:45.27 | Hideme | jelly Ok, having said that, would I be required to do a clean install with the 64bit version, or can I just upgrade the kernel to a 64 bit? |
| 15:45.29 | segfault- | paxcoder, yep. |
| 15:45.35 | themill | paxcoder: then you fail. (1) read, (2) think (3) voice your thoughts |
| 15:45.36 | enouf | pretty soon, we'll be able to sing "ten years gone" (off of physical graffiti) as it pertains to 64bit x86 crap .. heh |
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| 15:45.58 | segfault- | someone saying "i'm an atheist" and when asked if he did read anything religious he answers no |
| 15:46.02 | paxcoder | segfault-: themill: why? i don't think it would change my mind. do you think i'm missing something, or? |
| 15:46.04 | segfault- | what do you think the guy is ? |
| 15:46.29 | paxcoder | segfault-: deluded agnostic? |
| 15:46.29 | jelly | Hideme: ask the redhat people; I think you need to do fresh install of x86_64, though. |
| 15:46.39 | segfault- | he's an ignorant, plain & simple. |
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| 15:46.48 | Hideme | jelly ok, thanks |
| 15:46.57 | themill | paxcoder: yes you are. The vote only decided that a blob was not necessarily a GPL violation unless it was shown to be. i.e. assume they are not until demonstrated otherwise. |
| 15:46.59 | segfault- | knowing the subject you speak about helps alot understanding each other point of view |
| 15:47.09 | segfault- | (my example was just an example) |
| 15:47.31 | paxcoder | themill: so blobs won't be included in upcoming releases? |
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| 15:48.22 | paxcoder | no answer? |
| 15:48.28 | segfault- | jelly, letting tasksel running for a good 20 mins is enough ? |
| 15:49.03 | segfault- | (and how should i stop tcpdump afterward; simple ctrl+c ?) |
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| 15:49.49 | themill | paxcoder: blobs that are sourceless firmware will not be included if there should be source with them. Remember that some blobs are actually written as blobs -- there is no source -- it's like asking "where is the source for this png image" when the image was originally drawn as a png. |
| 15:49.52 | segfault- | paxcoder, they're going unless you can prove they violate the gpl and demonstrates it. |
| 15:49.56 | enouf | s/assume/presume .. let's get rid of the ass, shall we? ;-) |
| 15:50.19 | segfault- | enouf, there is never enough ass. |
| 15:50.20 | themill | paxcoder: answer to what? |
| 15:50.21 | segfault- | (:D) |
| 15:50.28 | paxcoder | themill: you did now. |
| 15:50.40 | themill | paxcoder: you're lagging or failing at reading again. |
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| 15:51.17 | paxcoder | segfault-: how can i "demonstrate it". you have a blob, that has its source (really, which blob doesn't?). if it has it, it needs to be included with the release, or available on request. says GPL |
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| 15:51.18 | themill | paxcoder: not everything actually has "source". Also remember that this is firmware we're talking about. The manufacturer could have included it on a chip on the hardware, but has instead chosen to provide a loading mechanism. In practice, this can be a good thing as it makes firmware updates easier -- you only have to change a firmware image rather than having to "flash" the device. |
| 15:51.22 | nsadmin | that's a scarcity mentality! there's -always- enough ass! |
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| 15:51.35 | paxcoder | themill: prolly lagging |
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| 15:51.37 | jelly | segfault-: if it's slow right from the start, make it 5 minutes or so |
| 15:51.41 | stoned | dude |
| 15:51.55 | stoned | go to #getlaid, not here |
| 15:51.58 | jelly | segfault-: (yes, ctrl-c stops it) |
| 15:51.59 | segfault- | jelly, k, tar gz for the output is ok ? |
| 15:52.07 | enouf | can anyone say TiVO and Cheese? |
| 15:52.11 | jelly | segfault-: or even just gz |
| 15:52.13 | stoned | enouf, not here |
| 15:52.41 | paxcoder | themill: tell me again, how supporting blobs is beneficial? and what blob is written as blob? |
| 15:52.50 | segfault- | grmbl fscking network |
| 15:52.59 | jelly | paxcoder: is this a debian-support question? |
| 15:53.03 | segfault- | as soon i see my predecessor he's getting slapped |
| 15:53.19 | nsadmin | paxcoder: if he's told you already, it's in your scrollback or logs |
| 15:53.20 | enouf | themill: sorry, but the way you've explained that is in clear violation of the GPL - but you did explain it well, so props for that |
| 15:53.20 | stew | paxcoder: when firmware is a dump of a bunch of register settings and no code, the blob is often the source |
| 15:53.22 | paxcoder | jelly: i don't know, you tell me |
| 15:53.29 | jelly | paxcoder: it's not. |
| 15:53.29 | nsadmin | segfault-: did you find the problem? |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | paxcoder: a) you're telling the wrong people b) it's already been decided c) if you don't like it, use another distro |
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| 15:53.55 | enouf | themill: it means; the manufacturer can make modiications to the code, but not you, the end user == violation |
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| 15:53.57 | segfault- | nsadmin, nope not yet |
| 15:53.58 | themill | paxcoder: the firmware I write for my instrument controllers is written as a blob. Being able to load that from the host pc each time is beneficial because I can then change the behaviour of the hardware without having to go through a complicated reflash operation that risks bricking the device. |
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| 15:54.11 | paxcoder | abrotman: yes, that's why i'm asking. to see if i should. |
| 15:54.19 | stew | paxcoder: as far as we know the blobs in the debian kernel source don't have source other than what we are distributing. if you know otherwise, please tell us specifically what has source that we aren't distributing |
| 15:54.23 | segfault- | got a clear view on the router altough, he doesn't do much .. alot of nat & dhcping.. and vpn, that's all. |
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| 15:54.32 | jelly | segfault-: who admins your Cisco hardware? |
| 15:54.35 | abrotman | paxcoder: if you don't like it, yes you should use another distro, lenny will release with blobs |
| 15:54.39 | paxcoder | stew: themill: others: ok, if there's no code, there's no violation. |
| 15:54.47 | segfault- | jelly, theorically, me. |
| 15:55.05 | segfault- | practically : i never touched those and i'm taking alot of precautions |
| 15:55.09 | themill | enouf: that's assuming it's an aggregated work. That's a contentious proposition in itself. And even if we were to accept that the GPL should apply, then you still have to assume that there is a source which is not necessarily true. |
| 15:55.10 | paxcoder | but does Debian project guarantee me those blobs have no source? |
| 15:55.22 | jelly | segfault-: I guess you couldn't paste your "show running-config", eh? :-) |
| 15:55.28 | stew | paxcoder: as far as we know, there isn't. if we come to find out that there is better source for any of these blobs, they will be removed. we have decided to operate under the assumption that we have the source unless we find out otherwise |
| 15:55.30 | segfault- | i can |
| 15:55.36 | segfault- | removing out passwords section |
| 15:55.37 | segfault- | :) |
| 15:55.40 | jelly | segfault-: don't do it, though |
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| 15:55.55 | segfault- | well, like the old saying says |
| 15:56.06 | segfault- | if i can't trust a stranger on the internet, who can ? :D |
| 15:56.10 | segfault- | j/k |
| 15:56.22 | paxcoder | stew: if that's REALLY the only thing, than I have no choice but to agree. There's no violation if blob is "code" itself. |
| 15:56.38 | paxcoder | ok, thanks all for clarification. |
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| 15:57.01 | nsadmin | segfault-: can you back up the complete config of the cisco so you can moreorless safely tweak it if you need to? |
| 15:57.03 | paxcoder | still sticking with Debian ;-) |
| 15:57.08 | enouf | themill: yes, and this is line where the real semantics come into play (aggregated or not aggregated -- reminds me of cement/concrete :-)) .. and where all the ambulance chasers jump onboard, and 900 page legal docs get written ;-) |
| 15:57.13 | segfault- | nsadmin, already done :D |
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| 15:57.27 | themill | enouf: yep. every one of them an insomniac's cure too |
| 15:57.33 | segfault- | that was the first action when i discovered it |
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| 15:58.16 | segfault- | jelly, gzipping the pcap |
| 15:58.23 | segfault- | it have a good 10 mins or so |
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| 16:01.25 | nsadmin | paxcoder: debian doesn't guarantee you anything |
| 16:01.31 | paxcoder | stew: can you please give (exact if possible) reference to what you've said - that it only refers to blobs with no source |
| 16:01.49 | paxcoder | nsadmin: what are free software guidelines for then? |
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| 16:02.05 | stew | paxcoder: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003 |
| 16:02.19 | stew | paxcoder: or there is TONS of discussion on lists.debian.org/debian-vote |
| 16:02.21 | themill | paxcoder: debian promises to follow the free software guidelines to the best of its ability. There are no absolute guarantees. There can't be. |
| 16:02.35 | stew | paxcoder: see Proposal E |
| 16:02.50 | nsadmin | paxcoder: do you personally use any of this firmware? |
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| 16:03.21 | paxcoder | themill: that's crap. |
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| 16:03.29 | paxcoder | nsadmin: probably not. |
| 16:03.39 | themill | paxcoder: then go and form your own distro that can give such absolute guarantees. |
| 16:03.49 | segfault- | http://loursgeek.free.fr/file.pcap.gz |
| 16:03.50 | nsadmin | if the answer is no, then you are asking for a guarantee of a specific relationship between debian and other people |
| 16:03.55 | segfault- | the tcpdump result |
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| 16:04.04 | nsadmin | not between debian and yourself |
| 16:04.16 | paxcoder | stew: how do you "prove otherwise"? |
| 16:04.29 | tarik | hi |
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| 16:04.49 | stew | paxcoder: when someone gets an email from the author sayin "oh, i don't edit that blob directly, I have a firmware compiled that I use to generate it from C code" |
| 16:05.31 | stew | paxcoder: I will personally gurantee to you that debian is distributing lots and lots of software with DFSG violations |
| 16:05.35 | stew | paxcoder: i find them all the time |
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| 16:05.42 | stew | (and report them, and help fix them) |
| 16:05.56 | paxcoder | themill: it's called "Debian Social Contract", first point, it says NEVER, and there's no word "ability" in the whole text. |
| 16:05.59 | abrotman | a DFSG violation doesn't have to be a blob though |
| 16:06.05 | paxcoder | *never include non-free |
| 16:06.06 | stoned | !ping |
| 16:06.06 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:06.12 | paxcoder | !ping |
| 16:06.14 | stew | it would probably be imposssible to find them all. sometime very obscure ones are found |
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| 16:06.26 | tarik | is somebody willing to help me with a Lintian error's |
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| 16:06.31 | nsadmin | paxcoder: it doesn't. debian includes -only- main |
| 16:06.35 | abrotman | tarik: just ask, be patient |
| 16:06.48 | paxcoder | nsadmin: doesn't what? |
| 16:06.52 | stoned | hello? |
| 16:06.54 | segfault- | paxcoder, wich is logical, social contract have been updated only in 2004 |
| 16:06.56 | dazjorz | I'm not sure what the advantages of using obstack are... but I'm about to start trying to write a patch for dpkg to make it use malloc() instead obstack, would this work and why shouldn't I do this? |
| 16:06.58 | abrotman | stoned: stop doing that |
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| 16:07.05 | tarik | OK :) |
| 16:07.06 | stew | for instance, i recently found where a python module was copying the comments from some random other perl module, and I only found that becuase I happened to stick a string from the comments into google |
| 16:07.08 | nsadmin | paxcoder: debian does not include non-free. |
| 16:07.10 | paxcoder | segfault-: which means to you? what? |
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| 16:07.22 | martiiin | Hello, I am new to linux and I need some help. Ive set up debian as a server now and the first thing I want to do is to give it a static IP-adress. Anyone familiar? |
| 16:07.23 | stoned | abrotman, I think I lagged by 42 seconds |
| 16:07.24 | abrotman | nsadmin: that's a slippery slope |
| 16:07.31 | paxcoder | nsadmin: and guarantees it will not |
| 16:07.32 | stoned | abrotman, having a lag problem again |
| 16:07.33 | abrotman | stoned: you just need more coffee |
| 16:07.35 | segfault- | paxcoder, that the social contract doesn't reflect the impact of gpl v3 and such (and many more) |
| 16:07.44 | stoned | abrotman, no, I need better isp, roadrunner sucks major balls |
| 16:07.50 | enouf | martiiin: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 16:07.51 | paxcoder | segfault-: as long as it's there, it's binding |
| 16:07.52 | stew | segfault-: how would the social contract need to be changed becuase of gpl v3 ? |
| 16:07.52 | hoxu | !tell martiiin about interfaces |
| 16:08.16 | stew | paxcoder: whether or not its binding is currently being discussed and we will probably have a resolution about that after lenny releases |
| 16:08.18 | themill | paxcoder: if you don't point out where breaches of the social contract are, then they can't be fixed. Once pointed out, they are taken seriously. |
| 16:08.27 | segfault- | stew, i'll let you check the possible interdictions of tivoizations for exemple |
| 16:08.41 | stew | segfault-: what about it? |
| 16:09.06 | nsadmin | do tivos run debian |
| 16:09.07 | segfault- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization |
| 16:09.08 | nsadmin | ? |
| 16:09.12 | stew | nsadmin: no |
| 16:09.16 | enouf | nsadmin: ask linus |
| 16:09.20 | stew | segfault-: yes, i know what tivoization is |
| 16:09.22 | paxcoder | stew: how can it be not binding? i understand they can vote to change it, but how can they say it's invalid suddenly. there's no clause about it becoming invalid. |
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| 16:09.26 | orgthingy | enouf : hello btw :) |
| 16:09.29 | nsadmin | why would he know? :) |
| 16:09.33 | enouf | orgthingy: hi |
| 16:09.34 | orgthingy | enouf : nice, you're active here pretty much |
| 16:09.44 | orgthingy | yes, ask linus, he does read your emails and listen to you :p |
| 16:09.45 | stew | paxcoder: this has been discussed ad-nauseum on lists.debian.org/debian-vote |
| 16:09.45 | paxcoder | themill: *shrugs* |
| 16:09.50 | enouf | nsadmin: he's the one whom allows the violations |
| 16:09.53 | orgthingy | he has "omg i love you" in his spam folder though |
| 16:09.58 | paxcoder | stew: kk... |
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| 16:10.03 | segfault- | stew, it's the same problem there, you can't apply a contract that does not take in consideration the new facts.. |
| 16:10.17 | segfault- | jelly, any luck with the pcap file ? |
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| 16:10.27 | stew | segfault-: why does the social contract need to change becuase a new license started being used? |
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| 16:10.41 | jelly | segfault-: uh... I must have missed it |
| 16:10.46 | segfault- | stew, maybe because the software we use evolves ? :D |
| 16:10.50 | segfault- | jelly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization |
| 16:11.01 | gangsterlicious | i had to turn off TSO with ethtool. anyone know how to make that permanent in /etc/network/interfaces? i recall something like "post-up" command |
| 16:11.03 | jelly | segfault-: no the pcap dump :-) |
| 16:11.03 | stew | segfault-: what? |
| 16:11.27 | hoxu | gangsterlicious, man 5 interfaces, there is indeed post-up that you can use to run any commands |
| 16:11.33 | paxcoder | is interested to see segfault-'s answer |
| 16:11.39 | segfault- | jelly, err, sorry : http://loursgeek.free.fr/file.pcap.gz |
| 16:12.25 | roe_ | anyone know how to get a list of available netbios machines on a network? |
| 16:12.47 | paxcoder | lol 3 of 4 pro args for blobs are lenny *shakes head* |
| 16:12.53 | nsadmin | roe_: maybe smbclient can do that |
| 16:12.54 | enouf | man rpc[tab][tab] ? |
| 16:12.58 | segfault- | stew, because the older license wich contributed to the social contract will be deprecated soon$ |
| 16:13.04 | paxcoder | *scratch that, 3 of 4 args, all pro are lenny |
| 16:13.16 | stew | segfault-: which license contributed to the social contract? |
| 16:13.48 | segfault- | let's see, oh damn, what's about bsd and gpl ? :) |
| 16:14.11 | stew | segfault-: what would you propose to change about the social contract? |
| 16:14.12 | nsadmin | bsd isn't GPLed |
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| 16:14.13 | paxcoder | segfault-: stew: i hope you won't be flaming because of me now. personally, license should conform to contract |
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| 16:14.27 | paxcoder | but i see how it can not conform |
| 16:14.41 | segfault- | stew, i don't propose anything, i made statements :) |
| 16:14.47 | paxcoder | *hypothetically, ie EULA :-) |
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| 16:15.01 | nsadmin | paxcoder: perhaps if the social contract deletes references to any license, that would solve the problem |
| 16:15.10 | stew | segfault-: so you believe the social contract needs to change, becuase fsf came out with a new license, but you don't know how it should change? |
| 16:15.21 | george_xtr | Hi guys, I update the system but still get libqt4-dbg: Depends: libqtcore4 (= 4.4.3-1) but 4.4.3-2 is to be installed |
| 16:15.23 | paxcoder | takes another look at contract |
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| 16:15.34 | segfault- | stew, i believe that a reflexion has to be done, what cames out is not my matter |
| 16:15.41 | paxcoder | nsadmin: hmmm |
| 16:15.45 | segfault- | i'm not a fan of over activism |
| 16:16.08 | stew | i don't get it |
| 16:16.11 | paxcoder | segfault-: you're a fan of criticism, eh? |
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| 16:16.20 | nsadmin | segfault-: but that's the same as making a statement and not supporting it and otherwise backing it up |
| 16:16.28 | segfault- | paxcoder, of sardonicism and sarcasm maybe :) |
| 16:16.35 | stew | "please change it in some way, i don't know or care how, but you must change it in some way" |
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| 16:16.53 | segfault- | nsadmin, an opinion doesn't need to be judgemental |
| 16:16.54 | paxcoder | stew: lol. be nice now X-D |
| 16:17.01 | ajuonline | why does all browsers crash? epiphany and iceweasel. bnoth! |
| 16:17.03 | ajuonline | both* |
| 16:17.10 | nsadmin | stew: I know! I know! let's capitalize all the "the"s! |
| 16:17.11 | enouf | !links2 |
| 16:17.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, links2 is a text and graphics browser with https and javascript. http://packages.debian.org/links2, or for using in Console as GUI (with mouse and keys support), see /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian (so you can use as regular non-root user when running in Console in GUI mode) Ask me about <links2 settings> |
| 16:17.13 | segfault- | ajuonline, lenny ? :D |
| 16:17.17 | segfault- | hides |
| 16:17.19 | ajuonline | segfault-: yeah? |
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| 16:17.24 | enouf | notifies themill and runs |
| 16:17.39 | simonrvn | !ot |
| 16:17.39 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:17.46 | segfault- | jelly, nothing usefull ? |
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| 16:18.00 | nsadmin | imagines chaos! |
| 16:18.10 | ajuonline | goes to cook dinner for himself |
| 16:18.10 | segfault- | see dead people |
| 16:18.14 | roe_ | I don't see an option for smbclient to discover netbios machines just to list available resources of a specific machine. |
| 16:18.25 | paxcoder | lags, and so does his message |
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| 16:18.35 | ajuonline | can even see network manager on the gnome panel |
| 16:18.46 | anewbie | hey guys someone here use skype ? |
| 16:18.55 | enouf | roe_: netbios is some weirdo protocol, not machines |
| 16:19.00 | segfault- | anewbie, you're on your own pal. |
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| 16:19.13 | pipcookie | umm, it says i am not privileged to mount my volume. |
| 16:19.16 | anewbie | segfault-, yeah i make strace skype |
| 16:19.17 | pipcookie | which kind of sounds dirty |
| 16:19.17 | roe_ | enouf, I know, I am trying to list all machines that are advertising a netbois name |
| 16:19.17 | segfault- | await for the anvil to fall on anewbie * |
| 16:19.20 | anewbie | and see what i found |
| 16:19.21 | jelly | segfault-: just pretty much normal ftp traffic, if a bit slow |
| 16:19.21 | pipcookie | but is also, very, very confusing |
| 16:19.22 | anewbie | open("/etc/passwd", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 9 |
| 16:19.26 | anewbie | !? WTF !? |
| 16:19.26 | dpkg | ? wtf are you doing? |
| 16:19.45 | jelly | anewbie: what seems to be the problem? |
| 16:19.57 | segfault- | jelly, blah, in august no one will be there, i'll kick out 2k3 and cisco out of the game and solve that with a good cluster.. |
| 16:20.03 | enouf | roe_: try nmap perhaps, and man rpc[tab][tab] .. maybe even look into the portmap pkg (offhand, that's all i got) |
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| 16:20.18 | anewbie | hi jelly you are still here |
| 16:20.19 | anewbie | :) |
| 16:20.20 | segfault- | (too much an immobilistic company .. ) |
| 16:20.24 | jelly | segfault-: tried using a http:// mirror instead of an ftp:// one? |
| 16:20.34 | segfault- | jelly, yep, was a disaster too |
| 16:20.38 | anewbie | jelly, whatch this paste from strace skype |
| 16:20.39 | anewbie | open("/etc/passwd", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 9 |
| 16:20.39 | paxcoder | !ping |
| 16:20.39 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:20.47 | jelly | anewbie: yes, and? |
| 16:20.48 | anewbie | is that normal and ... is that right |
| 16:20.52 | anewbie | hmm |
| 16:20.52 | nsadmin | pipcookie, mount and umount are restricted commands... they can change things about shared resources |
| 16:21.08 | segfault- | anewbie, it prolly check if you have enough rights, your password is on the shadow file.. usually |
| 16:21.16 | jelly | anewbie: it is normal and right for a process that wants to, for example, figure out what your username is. |
| 16:21.30 | anewbie | where is the garant that no one will abuse with my /etc/passwd |
| 16:21.36 | jelly | anewbie: try stracing "ls -l" |
| 16:21.37 | anewbie | and is that some how to prevent this |
| 16:21.44 | segfault- | anewbie, no garant, don't use skype. |
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| 16:21.59 | anewbie | damn it |
| 16:21.59 | enouf | !start a binary blob war |
| 16:22.07 | \amethyst | anewbie: what do you mean by "abuse" ? |
| 16:22.10 | simonrvn | anewbie: no passwords are stored there |
| 16:22.12 | nsadmin | wow, that blob is fat! |
| 16:22.14 | segfault- | enouf, to the corner, now. |
| 16:22.15 | jelly | !confuse anewbie |
| 16:22.15 | dpkg | No, what was their hamster yesterday, anewbie? shirts of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 16:22.27 | paxcoder | enouf: not enough players |
| 16:22.30 | segfault- | !confuse segfault- |
| 16:22.30 | dpkg | Yes, them is my snake today, segfault-? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra ham |
| 16:22.40 | \amethyst | anewbie: it is opening it in read-only mode, and unless you're running as root *can't* open it in read-write mode |
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| 16:23.21 | \amethyst | anewbie: and as has been pointed out, passwords are usually stored in /etc/shadow not /etc/passwd |
| 16:23.21 | segfault- | \amethyst, unless he got rootkited :P |
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| 16:23.21 | jelly | anewbie: this is perfectly acceptable behaviour. |
| 16:23.21 | paxcoder | ok, bb. i was just worried about blobs. i'm still feel uneasy about the topic, but it's not as bad as the media presented it... |
| 16:23.21 | nsadmin | someone please change "confuse"... |
| 16:23.24 | enouf | heh, "media" |
| 16:23.30 | anewbie | hmm |
| 16:23.35 | \amethyst | anewbie: every program that needs to translate between user names and numeric user IDs has to read /etc/passwd |
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| 16:24.10 | \amethyst | anewbie: likewise programs that want to look up your real name or home directory |
| 16:24.19 | anewbie | hmm |
| 16:24.27 | anewbie | and why skype need to know my real name |
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| 16:24.37 | segfault- | anewbie, it needs your userlevel |
| 16:24.40 | anewbie | I point my skype id .. i think this is enugh |
| 16:24.46 | segfault- | to not run as nobody or httpd |
| 16:25.00 | WhirlUser | anewbie, maybe to complete data information |
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| 16:25.05 | segfault- | or whatever processing hell that could be messed up |
| 16:25.15 | WhirlUser | a lot of messaging apps do it |
| 16:25.22 | segfault- | yeah |
| 16:25.33 | enouf | anewbie: see man chfn |
| 16:25.34 | \amethyst | anewbie: we can't tell you what it's doing with the information, since we don't have source code for skype |
| 16:25.37 | jelly | segfault-: how fat is your connection to the internet? the only thing I see is that ftp transfer is capped at around 65KB/s |
| 16:25.39 | segfault- | jabber clients often save their password as cleartext |
| 16:26.06 | segfault- | jelly, theorically this is an sdsl line capped at 250 mgb |
| 16:26.11 | anewbie | jelly, how about stracing "ls -l" |
| 16:26.20 | anewbie | stracing is another app ? or you mean strace |
| 16:26.22 | segfault- | (let's say, average in usual terms) |
| 16:26.27 | anewbie | op :) |
| 16:26.28 | jelly | anewbie: that's what I said. |
| 16:26.30 | anewbie | sorry you mean strace |
| 16:26.51 | \amethyst | anewbie: see how ls -l prints the name of the file's owner? |
| 16:26.58 | \amethyst | anewbie: it has to read /etc/passwd to find that out |
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| 16:27.15 | \amethyst | anewbie: because on the filesystem it's just stored as a number |
| 16:27.25 | segfault- | anewbie, read some documentation about pam |
| 16:27.44 | anewbie | pam ? |
| 16:27.45 | segfault- | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/ |
| 16:27.51 | \amethyst | anewbie: if you do ls -ln (display numeric IDs) it doesn't have to open /etc/passwd |
| 16:28.25 | martiiin | How do I edit a text file? I used gpedit but its hard to save it :/ |
| 16:28.36 | martiiin | save a text file* |
| 16:28.39 | enouf | martiiin: nano, joe, vim, etc |
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| 16:28.47 | enouf | sensible-editor |
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| 16:29.09 | anewbie | hmm |
| 16:29.21 | anewbie | there is a lot of documentation for reading |
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| 16:29.40 | nsadmin | you can also write documentation |
| 16:29.46 | enouf | sensible-editor /path/to/filename martiiin |
| 16:29.58 | segfault- | anewbie, welcome to our world :d |
| 16:30.00 | martiiin | Error writing interfaces, permission denied |
| 16:30.17 | \amethyst | martiiin: ah, you have to be root to change the file |
| 16:30.17 | enouf | and isn't gpedit, a microsoft thing? group policy editor? :-P |
| 16:30.20 | anewbie | martiiin, suddo |
| 16:30.25 | anewbie | martiiin, sudo ? |
| 16:30.25 | nsadmin | you have to be root to write that, again, it changes somethign about shared resource |
| 16:30.30 | segfault- | martiiin, do it in your user folder.. |
| 16:30.43 | segfault- | example : /home/<martiiin>/ |
| 16:30.52 | segfault- | where martiiin is your user |
| 16:30.52 | anewbie | segfault- :) infact i begin to read so much from a short time :) |
| 16:30.57 | anewbie | and got damn like it |
| 16:31.09 | \amethyst | martiiin: if you've already made changes you want to keep, save it to your home directory, then as root run cp interfaces /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:31.25 | anewbie | fist begin with python tutorials but i need to advance more in the general knowladge and then read python |
| 16:31.30 | anewbie | but .. :) this is offtopic here |
| 16:31.51 | \amethyst | martiiin: in the future you can use sudoedit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:31.58 | \amethyst | (if you have sudo) |
| 16:32.03 | enouf | !sudo |
| 16:32.03 | dpkg | methinks sudo is (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (ask about <visudo>) |
| 16:32.20 | martiiin | I did the sudo nano interface and I got back this: martin is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 16:32.21 | enouf | substitute user? wtf? |
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| 16:32.41 | enouf | bah, who cares |
| 16:33.02 | enouf | !tell martiiin -about sudoers |
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| 16:33.34 | nsadmin | anewbie: then learn your shell (probably bash), and ls, cd, mkdir, rmdir, cat, head, tail, grep |
| 16:33.38 | nsadmin | to start with |
| 16:34.05 | anewbie | nsadmin, i think that i am little more advanced then that |
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| 16:34.15 | nsadmin | you didn't say so... |
| 16:34.36 | anewbie | jelly, one last question i make strace ls -l |
| 16:34.41 | anewbie | but what was the point |
| 16:34.43 | enouf | !8ball how advanced am i as a half-advanced ape? |
| 16:34.43 | dpkg | No. |
| 16:34.47 | enouf | heh |
| 16:34.52 | anewbie | the ls command use /etc/passwd too ? |
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| 16:35.01 | \amethyst | anewbie: yes |
| 16:35.04 | nsadmin | ever seen the output of cat -n? |
| 16:35.20 | anewbie | mm nope :) may be i am not so advance that i think |
| 16:35.21 | anewbie | :) |
| 16:35.39 | nsadmin | could be handy someday :) |
| 16:36.00 | nsadmin | so do you know the parts of gcc and how they work together? |
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| 16:36.10 | anewbie | nsadmin, nope |
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| 16:36.24 | enouf | it's funny how i can't think of any other factoid other than <sex> which list so many useful small CLI utils ;-) |
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| 16:36.27 | anewbie | i trying to be more networking oriannted |
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| 16:36.34 | enouf | s/list/lists |
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| 16:36.40 | nsadmin | maybe handy... depending on what you want to do |
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| 16:37.06 | anewbie | just dont want to be one of the non educating losers in the void |
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| 16:37.48 | anewbie | infact i want to know exactly what duudes like skype do with my /etc/asswd |
| 16:37.58 | anewbie | i will erase this bulshit from my hdd |
| 16:38.04 | anewbie | i dont find it needful ! |
| 16:38.10 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 16:38.10 | dpkg | [\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 16:38.26 | WhirlUser | anewbie, coreutils it's basic in all linux systems ;-). nsadmin told you a great advice ;-) |
| 16:38.46 | nsadmin | so if you're using the shell pretty much daily and you're reading man pages and getting something out of it (especially SYNOPSIS sections), first off you can change your nick... second, start learning python whenever you want, including right now |
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| 16:39.21 | enouf | i find SEE ALSO: very helpful ;-) |
| 16:39.40 | nsadmin | I've never seen an ALSO I didn't like! |
| 16:39.42 | enouf | +many times |
| 16:39.52 | anewbie | in that moment i read Maximum Security i think to begin again with python after that |
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| 16:40.05 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, i'm thinking I want to use one of our older IBM rack servers as a Debian syslog server for some of our network devices. That's all well and good I can set that up without any problem but is there any way to make it easier to access the log files? |
| 16:40.09 | segfault- | one good thing for you anewbie |
| 16:40.15 | Heavy-D | or make them available in a more convenient way? |
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| 16:40.25 | segfault- | http://linuxfromscratch.org |
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| 16:40.44 | cyberbaze | can someone suggest me a single-cd debian based distribution , please ? |
| 16:40.58 | enouf | Heavy-D: you mean for a user? add them to the 'adm' group |
| 16:40.58 | segfault- | cyberbaze, debian. |
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| 16:41.07 | simonrvn | er, debian cd #1? |
| 16:41.07 | nsadmin | you want him to compile linux-0.0.1 using minix's C compiler?! |
| 16:41.10 | heroxbd | [OT] I have got a question with my raid-5 array. My raid adapter is RocketRAID 2224. If I rearrange the HDDs on it (make a purmutation), will it still work? |
| 16:41.21 | segfault- | nsadmin, it's always a good experience :P |
| 16:41.34 | Heavy-D | enouf: No I mean is there a way for example that I could make the the logs accessible by a secure web portal or something like that? |
| 16:41.57 | nsadmin | but more to the point, don't wait to do something you want to do... |
| 16:42.01 | segfault- | and then anewbie, your next task will be to create a floppy driver for 0.0.1 |
| 16:42.02 | enouf | Heavy-D: ssh into it? |
| 16:42.02 | segfault- | :D |
| 16:42.42 | simonrvn | segfault-: o_O |
| 16:42.43 | Heavy-D | enouf: yeah that's great for me, but how can I make it easier for my non-Linux experienced coworkers to look at them, for example? |
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| 16:42.51 | enouf | Heavy-D: i imagine you're thinking of something along the lines of webmin? i can't help with things like that though - but /msg dpkg webmin |
| 16:43.13 | segfault- | but LFS can build a recent system too, it's for fun |
| 16:43.14 | Heavy-D | enouf: Ah okay, thanks |
| 16:43.30 | segfault- | (lfs doesn't make you start at 0.0.1, or else you never did a LFS) |
| 16:43.56 | enouf | compiles 0.0.1 using gcc-4.1 :-p |
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| 16:44.23 | Heavy-D | What do you guys use for firewalls on your deb machines? iptables? ufw? |
| 16:44.42 | enouf | doles out all the a.out(s) around |
| 16:44.42 | alcohol | is there a tool to cut a file in 2? |
| 16:44.46 | alcohol | just literally a cut |
| 16:44.49 | idimmu | iptables |
| 16:44.58 | idimmu | thoe one place likes to manage it with firehol and another shorewall |
| 16:44.59 | enouf | anewbie: man split |
| 16:45.01 | stew | alcohol: split |
| 16:45.03 | idimmu | i prefer just iptables though |
| 16:45.06 | enouf | er alcohol , not anewbie |
| 16:45.13 | alcohol | thx |
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| 16:45.23 | Heavy-D | idimmu: Thanks for your input. |
| 16:45.32 | anewbie | hah :) |
| 16:45.42 | anewbie | dueds i was afk for a moment i am at work but now i am here |
| 16:45.42 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.44 | segfault- | alcohol, split. |
| 16:45.47 | segfault- | man split |
| 16:45.48 | simonrvn | enouf: mmm, doughnuts |
| 16:45.49 | alcohol | yes, yes |
| 16:45.53 | martiiin | Hi again, Ive manage to change the interfaces to set a static IP. But I wont be able to connect after ive changed it. Here is what is inside my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/m5b4e51b3 |
| 16:46.00 | anewbie | this book maximum securitty is pretty god i think but its a little bit outdated |
| 16:46.05 | enouf | simonrvn: heh .. banana! :-) |
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| 16:46.11 | anewbie | thats why i dont find it verry useful |
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| 16:46.41 | simonrvn | enouf: i have a banana next to me, for after the buffalo burger ;p |
| 16:47.00 | anewbie | hah it is useful to piss off jelly with my rusers questions :D |
| 16:47.13 | enouf | tells anewbie about tldp.org, debian-administration.org, debian.org/books and many other sweet things |
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| 16:47.20 | Heavy-D | martiiin: I think you have to restart networking ... /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:47.36 | Heavy-D | martiiin: or else bring the interface down and then up again |
| 16:47.48 | anewbie | log this lines on Directly on his Desktop |
| 16:47.49 | enouf | simonrvn: it's 10°F outside, and i'm ready for a banana split ;-) |
| 16:48.00 | Heavy-D | martiiin: ala... ifdown and ifup |
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| 16:48.18 | simonrvn | -22.0 â here |
| 16:48.43 | simonrvn | though i think 10F is about that |
| 16:48.51 | enouf | martiiin: note; to restart services, edit files in /etc, any all around system admin tasks, you'll need root privs, you can use sudo as well to obtain that |
| 16:49.33 | enouf | !-22 * 9/5 +32 |
| 16:49.33 | dpkg | -7.6 |
| 16:50.17 | enouf | !-40 * 9/5 + 32 |
| 16:50.17 | dpkg | -40 |
| 16:50.23 | enouf | ok, yeah - correct :-) |
| 16:51.03 | segfault- | -1° C there :D |
| 16:51.18 | martiiin | Nice Heavy-D , also i would like to know how to see my IP. Like ipconfig in windows |
| 16:51.22 | segfault- | it's because of lenny, the freezing process is still going |
| 16:51.23 | segfault- | :D |
| 16:51.25 | fcr | 31° C here!!!! |
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| 16:51.29 | segfault- | martiiin, ifconfig. |
| 16:52.06 | martiiin | niceone |
| 16:52.36 | enouf | martiiin: as a user, you can use "/sbin/ifconfig -a" since it doesn't require root privs for you to read the output, but /sbin is not in your user's $PATH variable (yet, nor usually) |
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| 16:52.57 | enouf | martiiin: echo $PATH to see what i mean |
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| 16:53.24 | enouf | martiiin: then do the same when you are root user |
| 16:53.28 | jelly | simonrvn: where did you find "â"? |
| 16:54.05 | enouf | he's on powerpc :-P |
| 16:54.07 | enouf | runs |
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| 16:55.00 | jelly | was just admiring the font simonrvn used for his "C" letter, before figuring... hey, wait |
| 16:55.07 | \amethyst | jelly: U+2103 DEGREE CELSIUS |
| 16:55.08 | segfault- | see, notice someone is using a powerpc and P00F a nick collision |
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| 16:55.47 | jelly | \amethyst: I'll just praise Microsoft for including the glyph in Tahoma, then |
| 16:55.53 | Ward1983 | where can i find the mirrors for lenny debootstrap please? |
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| 16:56.13 | enouf | martiiin: you might find you like to keep one shell open as root user in, to perform admin tasks specifically; man su, and see "su -" (known as "su to root" you will see written at times) |
| 16:56.17 | fcr | Ward1983: you can just use ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:56.19 | segfault- | Ward1983, google it kid.. |
| 16:56.24 | simonrvn | enouf: what's a ppc have to do with unicode? and no i'm not, this is an old x86 |
| 16:56.34 | stoned | what are we waiting for with the lenny release |
| 16:56.39 | enouf | simonrvn: nothing .. which is why i ran :-) |
| 16:56.44 | jelly | stoned: we? |
| 16:56.46 | Ward1983 | segfault-, i tried that grandpa |
| 16:56.47 | stoned | it doesn't seem like rc bugs are too much of a problem at this point |
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| 16:56.59 | segfault- | Ward1983, sure ? |
| 16:57.00 | enouf | wait, i'm gramps! |
| 16:57.01 | jelly | stoned: you became a DD? Grats |
| 16:57.05 | stoned | no |
| 16:57.07 | segfault- | Ward1983, because i can find it |
| 16:57.08 | stoned | we as in the community |
| 16:57.08 | Ward1983 | fcr, ah ok ill look around there |
| 16:57.28 | stoned | jelly, not yet |
| 16:57.28 | Ward1983 | segfault-, you must have better google skills |
| 16:57.28 | jelly | stoned: what community. |
| 16:57.31 | stoned | us |
| 16:57.32 | stoned | man |
| 16:57.36 | stoned | we, the people... of debian |
| 16:57.37 | Ward1983 | segfault-, since you're old you have more google experience :p |
| 16:57.39 | jelly | stoned: it's not the community that releases anything |
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| 16:57.39 | segfault- | Ward1983, http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&hs=d7&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=lenny+debootstrap+AND+which+ftp+mirror&spell=1 |
| 16:57.40 | jamon | Ward1983: if you want, just just this: http://jamon.ca/files/lenny |
| 16:57.43 | segfault- | 1st result |
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| 16:57.45 | simonrvn | Ward1983: looks with keywords not sentences |
| 16:57.49 | segfault- | search : "lenny debootstrap AND wich ftp mirror" |
| 16:57.51 | stoned | jelly, stop playing with words. |
| 16:57.51 | simonrvn | look* |
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| 16:58.04 | stoned | either give me a straight answer or don't waste my time |
| 16:58.10 | segfault- | stoned, got a better one |
| 16:58.15 | Ward1983 | thanx segfault- jamon and fcr |
| 16:58.19 | v4nelle | guys i make an iso from .bin file with bchunk but on mount dmwsg show me [ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format.] |
| 16:58.20 | segfault- | jelly, enouf wordplay. |
| 16:58.23 | segfault- | :P |
| 16:58.31 | enouf | !enouf |
| 16:58.31 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 16:58.37 | segfault- | :p |
| 16:58.58 | tulas | Hi,besides viewing my sources.list,what other way to know i am at sid or etch? |
| 16:59.05 | martiiin | I run the tar xvzf vent.tar.gz and then I am trying to do the ./configure , it gives me a error. |
| 16:59.08 | enouf | v4nelle: perhaps it's some UDF variant? |
| 16:59.14 | simonrvn | stoned: C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cdude, the dds set up the packages, and users file bugs, help with testing, use it every day. it's a symbiotic relationship. if you don't get that, then maybe you should think about it. |
| 16:59.19 | simonrvn | BAH |
| 16:59.22 | martiiin | bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 16:59.22 | WhirlUser | tulas etch is stable version, sid unstable and lenny is testing |
| 16:59.25 | jamon | tulas: cat /etc/issue; cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:59.26 | simonrvn | sorry 'bout that |
| 16:59.28 | stoned | simonrvn, what? |
| 16:59.39 | jelly | simonrvn: the users don't release anything. |
| 16:59.41 | stoned | simonrvn, I'm aware of this, I was talking about soemthing else |
| 16:59.50 | simonrvn | s/C[.*C[// |
| 16:59.53 | enouf | martiiin: you sure you need to compile already? ;-) |
| 17:00.00 | segfault- | martiiin, ls *conf* |
| 17:00.03 | \amethyst | stoned: there are still about 50 RC bugs |
| 17:00.05 | simonrvn | jelly: i didn't say that |
| 17:00.23 | tulas | thanks jamon |
| 17:00.23 | stoned | \amethyst, yeh, which I why I said its not that big a deal, 50 is nothing compared to 250 heh |
| 17:00.28 | enouf | !+tell tulas -about sid faq |
| 17:00.29 | dpkg | told tulas about sid faq. |
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| 17:00.36 | tetraedr | hi |
| 17:00.38 | jelly | simonrvn: but you jumped into a whin^H^H^H^H discussion about that! |
| 17:00.41 | segfault- | for sure if i am to use debien at work i'll create a local mirror copy, my lan have enough troubles .. |
| 17:00.48 | \amethyst | stoned: that means we are probably close---you asked what we are waiting for: it's those 52 bugs :) |
| 17:00.54 | simonrvn | jelly: ohnnoz |
| 17:01.01 | stoned | \amethyst, thank you for giving me a productive answer. |
| 17:01.02 | segfault- | s/debien/debian |
| 17:01.07 | martiiin | It maybe was compiled, anyway. I got some files, One file i need to run. Just typing the file name didnt work out |
| 17:01.09 | segfault- | (azerty slip) |
| 17:01.12 | stoned | \amethyst, or whatever the right adjective is |
| 17:01.15 | \amethyst | stoned: well, *we* are waiting for release managers and ftpmaster; *they* are waiting for those bugs to be fixed :) |
| 17:01.26 | stoned | \amethyst, :) |
| 17:01.32 | simonrvn | produces some fertilizer onto stoned's porch and runs away |
| 17:01.33 | enouf | stoned: doesn't the <rc bugs> explain it? ... not sure |
| 17:01.46 | tetraedr | I'm trying to prevent kernel from writing messages to my tty, I've found out that it is achieved by setterm -msg off, but are there any places in debian where I can set this option for all terminals? |
| 17:01.48 | stoned | enouf, \amethyst got it. nm it now |
| 17:01.52 | simonrvn | i can be productive too ;p |
| 17:01.52 | tulas | and.....what is grub version debian use?grub legacy or grub 2? isaw on the internet |
| 17:01.57 | martiiin | When I am trying to run a file ill get this ventrilo_srv: ventrilo_srv: cannot execute binary file |
| 17:01.58 | enouf | simonrvn: the lawn will suffice, thanks :-p |
| 17:02.10 | stoned | simonrvn, hey you took me off your fb friends :( |
| 17:02.20 | simonrvn | i'm not on fb |
| 17:02.24 | stoned | word |
| 17:02.27 | WhirlUser | personally, I prefer wait for bug fixes. This isn't a race, it's a stable version ;-) |
| 17:02.29 | jelly | tulas: the legacy one for i386 and amd64, by default |
| 17:02.34 | enouf | framebuffer friends? |
| 17:02.35 | stoned | judd versions grub |
| 17:02.36 | judd | stoned: grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1 lenny: 0.97-47lenny1 sid: 0.97-47lenny1 experimental: 0.97-51 |
| 17:02.37 | segfault- | tetraedr, man syslog. |
| 17:02.40 | tulas | oh |
| 17:02.50 | tulas | so grub 2 remain testing |
| 17:02.52 | simonrvn | enouf: yup |
| 17:02.53 | stoned | yes |
| 17:02.54 | tetraedr | segfault-, I've already disabled logging to xconsole in syslog |
| 17:03.00 | enouf | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 17:03.00 | judd | enouf: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-12 sid: 1.96+20080724-12 experimental: 1.96+20081201-1 |
| 17:03.05 | stoned | its still experimental |
| 17:03.05 | jelly | tulas: grub2 is available in testing |
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| 17:03.09 | segfault- | tetraedr, there is not only xconsole.. |
| 17:03.11 | tulas | hm.. |
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| 17:03.21 | stoned | you can get it in sid, in testing too I just learned |
| 17:03.28 | simonrvn | ooh, a dec. update. oh i got that already. |
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| 17:03.35 | tetraedr | segfault-, after setterm -msg off manually everything is working as I want |
| 17:03.36 | enouf | judd: versions grub-efi |
| 17:03.37 | judd | enouf: grub-efi -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-12 sid: 1.96+20080724-12 experimental: 1.96+20081201-1 |
| 17:03.48 | enouf | there are some many variants to grub2 |
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| 17:03.53 | tetraedr | segfault-, everything in syslog.conf point to log files |
| 17:04.28 | simonrvn | i should try grub2 again on the still-running ppc box. |
| 17:04.41 | segfault- | tetraedr, #daemon,mail.*;\ |
| 17:04.55 | segfault- | oh what, a tty there. |
| 17:05.00 | segfault- | . . . |
| 17:05.03 | stoned | I can't find an ITP for php-gtk |
| 17:05.12 | stoned | its not in debian or wnpp |
| 17:05.19 | enouf | tetraedr: you'd need to edit /etc/syslog.conf and redirect all output to say tty12 - (and i think something else) |
| 17:05.22 | tetraedr | segfault-, both are commented out |
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| 17:05.37 | tetraedr | enouf, I've tried, but I'm still getting kernel messages on console |
| 17:05.43 | segfault- | tetraedr, describe your exact problem |
| 17:05.45 | tetraedr | enouf, only setterm -msg off helps |
| 17:05.53 | segfault- | on wich console |
| 17:05.54 | simonrvn | !kernel printk |
| 17:06.04 | simonrvn | !printk console |
| 17:06.04 | dpkg | [printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 17:06.06 | enouf | you did it wrong then tetraedr |
| 17:06.08 | tetraedr | segfault-, tty1 |
| 17:06.14 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 17:06.22 | segfault- | check for debug |
| 17:06.29 | segfault- | and redirect buffer to /dev/null |
| 17:06.42 | simonrvn | you don't even have to touch syslogd for that one |
| 17:06.44 | segfault- | same for kern.* |
| 17:06.56 | enouf | man {2,3} syslog and man sysklogd |
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| 17:07.11 | segfault- | guys got to go, end of the day |
| 17:07.28 | segfault- | have fun serial raping each others with flamethrowers. |
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| 17:07.55 | tetraedr | cheesus christ! can somebody simply tell me what command should I give? I've found solution, suddenly it's wrong, some say I need to fix already fixed syslog.conf others say I shouldn't touch it.... cheesus... |
| 17:08.09 | Theoden | ANyone have a link to a good utility for linux to join mp3 files? |
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| 17:09.31 | Ward1983 | ok i still cannot find a debootstrap mirror |
| 17:09.35 | enouf | oh yeah. setup a tty12 in /etc/inittab |
| 17:09.43 | stew | Ward1983: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:09.44 | Ward1983 | the debian site is kindof chaotic |
| 17:09.54 | simonrvn | tetraedr: um, it's called choice. just choose one, and chill out. |
| 17:10.05 | enouf | # Log all kernel messages to a spare virtual console. |
| 17:10.05 | enouf | kern.* /dev/tty12 |
| 17:10.30 | stew | tetraedr: can you show us your syslog.conf? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:10.42 | stoned | I am filinlg an ITP for php-gtk |
| 17:10.45 | enouf | then ~# dpkg-reconfigure sysklogd |
| 17:10.47 | Ward1983 | stew, nothing about debootstrap mirrors |
| 17:10.57 | stoned | filing* |
| 17:11.07 | stew | Ward1983: debootstrap uses the same mirrors |
| 17:11.12 | tetraedr | http://pastebin.ca/1309276 |
| 17:11.35 | enouf | tetraedr: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 17:11.35 | Ward1983 | stew, ok weird then i guess kvm is not using debootstrap :s |
| 17:11.53 | tetraedr | http://pastebin.ca/1309281 |
| 17:11.56 | jelly | enouf: that's syslog.conf for you |
| 17:12.13 | enouf | i'm looking to see if you've enabled any other sort of things on kernel line that would contribute to spitting out non-usual messages |
| 17:12.26 | jelly | enouf: (and there's no need to change inittab, I think) |
| 17:12.37 | stew | tetraedr: what is an example of a message you are getting in a tty that you don't want to get? |
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| 17:12.47 | tetraedr | one sec |
| 17:12.49 | greymaus | Hey, does `svn' exist on Debian, tried apt-get install svn and it couldn't find it |
| 17:12.55 | jelly | greymaus: "subversion" |
| 17:13.01 | greymaus | ts |
| 17:13.04 | jelly | np |
| 17:13.04 | enouf | goes off to eat .. starvin |
| 17:13.06 | greymaus | Ta :! |
| 17:13.11 | jelly | by |
| 17:13.54 | pkrumins | Hi guys, i am installing debian on vmware and vmware needs the kernel source for its "vmware tools" so that mouse and other things worked. Can anyone help me out, how to install kernel source on debian? I tried apt-get install kernel-source-2-6-18-6-686 but it did not work |
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| 17:14.51 | tetraedr | stew, http://pastebin.ca/1309285 |
| 17:15.26 | pkrumins | Even `apt-get install kernel-source-2-6-18` does not want to do the job. |
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| 17:15.27 | WhirlUser | pkrumins, installing vmware-tools has no science, install linux-kernel-headers |
| 17:15.36 | pkrumins | WhirlUser, ah! |
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| 17:15.44 | WhirlUser | and gcc, of course |
| 17:15.54 | pkrumins | yep |
| 17:16.03 | pkrumins | i thought that downloading the whole source would also get me headers |
| 17:16.10 | pkrumins | did not know they were distributed separately |
| 17:16.51 | simmerz | hi. i'm having trouble with a pure-ftpd setup. on one server, it works perfectly. on the second, with what to me looks like an identical setup, it refuses to allow passive mode ftp. and it disconnects as soon as you try and enable passive mode |
| 17:16.57 | tetraedr | )))) I've found this in /etc/sysctl.conf: # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console :):) |
| 17:17.00 | tetraedr | uncommented |
| 17:17.01 | tetraedr | works :) |
| 17:17.04 | stew | pkrumins: you want -headers, which are configured headers from a compiled tree. the -source package are unconfigured, not what you want |
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| 17:17.14 | tetraedr | thanks for help people |
| 17:17.14 | WhirlUser | pkrumins, yeah, when you compile any kernel module (like vmware-tools) you need headers :) |
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| 17:17.41 | pkrumins | WhirlUser, thanks! |
| 17:17.44 | pkrumins | stew, also thanks! :) |
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| 17:18.09 | pkrumins | hmm, and where did they get installed? ls /usr/src is empty. |
| 17:18.20 | w33d5 | is there a quick way to scan though the contents of the log files and grep for every line of "ssh*" and "x11vnc" |
| 17:18.20 | pkrumins | vmware suggests default path as /usr/src/linux/include |
| 17:18.38 | simonrvn | linux-kernel-headers != kernel headers for your kernel |
| 17:18.49 | stoned | I have not yet seen any ITP for php-gtk, and I have just sumitted an ITP for it. Wish me luck |
| 17:18.57 | jelly | w33d5: zegrep 'ssh|x11vnc' /var/log/whatever* ? |
| 17:18.58 | stoned | I love php man, gonna see it in deb soon |
| 17:19.00 | stoned | :D |
| 17:19.06 | pkrumins | simonrvn, oh, what are they then? |
| 17:19.08 | runa_ | hi i want to append a file from remote using ssh. i am trying to figure out a comman like "cat asd.txt runa@host append command". is there any way to do somethig like that? |
| 17:19.14 | runa_ | :h |
| 17:19.14 | w33d5 | jelly beautiful! thanks! |
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| 17:19.28 | stew | pkrumins: linux-headers-$(uname -r) ; which will install headers to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 17:19.34 | jelly | w33d5: all ssh stuff will be in /var/log/auth.log*, though, no need to hunt |
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| 17:20.02 | pkrumins | aha. |
| 17:20.15 | stew | pkrumins: the /usr/src/linux directory should NOT be used for kernel headers (and if you don't believe me, read the kernel README). anything that is expecting /usr/src/linux to have sources/headers for the currently running kernel is broken |
| 17:20.17 | w33d5 | will this work zegrep 'ssh|x11vnc' /var/log/whatever* >>filteredlog.txt? or should it be > ? |
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| 17:20.40 | jelly | w33d5: >> is for appending to existing files |
| 17:20.50 | stew | (or creating if they don't exist) |
| 17:20.59 | w33d5 | jelly does it need to append the file for each grep? |
| 17:21.03 | jelly | stew: depends on the shell; in my case, no |
| 17:21.08 | stew | ahh |
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| 17:21.22 | pkrumins | hmm, i don't have /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build, i only have .../kernel |
| 17:21.29 | simonrvn | in zsh it depends you gotta turn that on |
| 17:21.35 | Sam-NotAFK | I just deleted the partitions my Debian installation was installed to and it carried on running perfectly, how queer. |
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| 17:21.50 | stew | jelly: woah, never noticed that before, wonder if i've broken stuff by not knowing |
| 17:22.03 | stew | pkrumins: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:22.08 | jelly | stew: touch foo.log; blah >> foo.log |
| 17:22.12 | stew | yeah |
| 17:22.49 | simonrvn | (it isn't enabled by default) |
| 17:22.56 | simmerz | hi. i'm having trouble with a pure-ftpd setup. on one server, it works perfectly. on the second, with what to me looks like an identical setup, it refuses to allow passive mode ftp. and it disconnects as soon as you try and enable passive mode |
| 17:23.09 | jelly | w33d5: if you run it multiple times, > will truncate the previous contents |
| 17:23.24 | w33d5 | jelly Danke! |
| 17:23.30 | pkrumins | ah |
| 17:24.11 | pkrumins | stew, I did apt-get install linux-kernel-headers, and it installed 2.6.18-7, but i am running 2.6.18-6 |
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| 17:24.31 | pkrumins | but they are nowhere to be found. :/ |
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| 17:24.50 | jelly | pkrumins: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:25.18 | jelly | pkrumins: or upgrade your kernel package as well and reboot |
| 17:25.35 | jelly | nowait... |
| 17:25.47 | jelly | pkrumins: what do you need it for? |
| 17:25.53 | pkrumins | for vmware |
| 17:26.00 | simonrvn | vmware tools |
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| 17:26.09 | pkrumins | right |
| 17:26.15 | jelly | pkrumins: that's wrong package, you want linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:26.28 | stew | pkrumins: you don't need linux-kernel-headers, that is something completely different |
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| 17:26.30 | pkrumins | trying |
| 17:26.40 | pkrumins | oh snap. |
| 17:26.45 | simonrvn | 12:18 < simonrvn> linux-kernel-headers != kernel headers for your kernel |
| 17:27.06 | jelly | simonrvn: there was no pkrumins: prefix! |
| 17:27.21 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 17:27.33 | jelly | requiring people able to figure out the line's really for them = bad |
| 17:27.58 | bolt-work | simmerz: how, exactly, are you enabling passive mode? |
| 17:28.11 | bolt-work | and what's disconnecting? |
| 17:28.28 | pkrumins | heh, i have now both installed somehow. |
| 17:28.40 | simmerz | bolt-work: well on the one server it works without adding any config at all. on the other I tried using the PassivePortRange 30000 50000 that I've seen through google searches |
| 17:28.43 | pkrumins | both in /usr/src/kernel-version/ and in /lib/modules/kernel-version/ |
| 17:28.43 | jelly | pkrumins: 's good, you can remove the other one |
| 17:28.58 | pkrumins | should i point vmware tools to /lib/modules/kernel-version? |
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| 17:29.00 | simonrvn | it's ok, you'll the other one if you compile stuff not kernel related. |
| 17:29.02 | pkrumins | jelly, ok. |
| 17:29.22 | simonrvn | pkrumins: the /lib/modules one is a symlink |
| 17:29.22 | pkrumins | btw, any way to check which package does a file belong to? |
| 17:29.48 | simmerz | bolt-work: when i ftp on the command line on the broken server, I log in fine and can ls. then i type passive, then ls and I get a line saying "227 Entering Passive Mode (89,16,178,97,224,88)" followed by "ftp: connect: Connection refused" |
| 17:30.10 | pkrumins | really! |
| 17:30.13 | Sam-NotAFK | Will 32MB be alright for /boot if I only use the generic 686 Lenny kernel? |
| 17:30.49 | jelly | pkrumins: point it to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8-6-686 or whatever |
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| 17:31.21 | jelly | I think it used to figure it out by itself for me, the last time I used vmware |
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| 17:31.49 | bolt-work | simmerz: well, you need to make sure you are able to connect to the server on those ports |
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| 17:32.05 | jelly | Sam-NotAFK: is there a special reason for a separate /boot? |
| 17:32.09 | bolt-work | simmerz: if it's behind any kind of firewall or other setups that may block it, it wont work |
| 17:32.11 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: dm-crypt |
| 17:32.12 | simmerz | bolt-work: no outgoing firewall. |
| 17:32.13 | pkrumins | woohoo, compiling vmware tools |
| 17:32.22 | simonrvn | it gets handled by the install scripts usually. if there's no kernel-headers-$(uname -r) installed it gets removed. |
| 17:32.22 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: LVM dm-crypt |
| 17:32.33 | simmerz | bolt-work: plus which, it works to another machine without problems |
| 17:32.35 | bolt-work | simmerz: passive ftp is extra incoming connections to the server |
| 17:32.50 | jelly | Sam-NotAFK: make enough place for 2 or more kernel+initrds; say 128MB |
| 17:33.03 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: My SSD is only 4GB |
| 17:33.10 | pkrumins | can anyone explain the difference - "linux-kernel-headers != kernel headers for your kernel" |
| 17:33.11 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: I only plan on using one kernel |
| 17:33.12 | jelly | Sam-NotAFK: else you'll have to juggle |
| 17:33.13 | simmerz | ah |
| 17:33.19 | enouf | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1309285 is a dmesg ring buffer output no? that's not what we'd console messages per se, right? (i mean it's like having a perpetual dmesg | tail going it seems to me) unless there's some remote factor that's coming into play (though i don't think he mentioned any) |
| 17:33.26 | jelly | Sam-NotAFK: oh, if it's embedded you might get away with it |
| 17:33.28 | bolt-work | simmerz: when using passive ftp, the server sends its ip and a port to connect to to the client. the client needs to be able to complete that connection |
| 17:33.34 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: It's an EEE |
| 17:33.42 | simonrvn | 50 is ok for 3 + initrds, but pretty small initrds |
| 17:33.46 | enouf | stew: or a tail -f /var/log/messages, i guess |
| 17:33.56 | simmerz | bolt-work: that looks like the issue. didn't spot the firewall on the vps. doh |
| 17:33.57 | simmerz | thanks |
| 17:33.58 | jelly | Sam-NotAFK: you'll upgrade that kernel one day. 96MB won't be missed that much |
| 17:34.03 | bolt-work | simmerz: in your case, 89.16.178.97 is the ip, and 224,88 is the port |
| 17:34.07 | stew | enouf: from /etc/sysctl.conf: # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console \n #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 17:34.18 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: Won't updates work with only enough space for one kernel? |
| 17:34.23 | jelly | bolt-work: and whoever created the ftp protocol needs to be shot |
| 17:34.31 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: NVM I answered my own question |
| 17:34.37 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: 128MB it is, thanks |
| 17:34.37 | enouf | stew: right, i had to google that - it's not in mine - and still makes no sense from what he shows in his pastebin |
| 17:34.42 | simonrvn | !printk console |
| 17:34.42 | dpkg | from memory, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 17:34.45 | themill | stoned: php-gtk is already packaged.... istr it's used by the pptpconfig program so have a look at that. It also used to be in debian -- see bug #197196 |
| 17:34.48 | bolt-work | simmerz: port = (224 * 256) + 88 |
| 17:34.55 | jelly | Sam-NotAFK: dpkg always unpacks first, then removes old |
| 17:34.58 | enouf | simonrvn: i already saw it the 1st time :-P |
| 17:35.02 | bolt-work | jelly: that's why you shouldn't be using it |
| 17:35.07 | enouf | simonrvn: - and still makes no sense from what he shows in his pastebin |
| 17:35.08 | bolt-work | jelly: wrong, sorry |
| 17:35.12 | Sam-NotAFK | jelly: Ah I suppose I should definitely use 128MB to be safe then. |
| 17:35.15 | bolt-work | jelly: er. no right. |
| 17:35.19 | stew | enouf: i've got it on both lenny and etch |
| 17:35.36 | bolt-work | bah |
| 17:35.37 | jelly | bolt-work: big endian? whaddayaknow |
| 17:35.46 | enouf | stew: i need to upgrade that pkg then - thanks .. however, did you see his pastebin? any comment about that?> |
| 17:36.18 | bolt-work | jelly: huh? |
| 17:36.37 | simonrvn | /nick jelly-bean |
| 17:36.46 | jelly | bolt-work: the numbers in PORT command |
| 17:36.54 | bolt-work | simmerz: btw, google for iptables and ftp conntrack :) |
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| 17:37.22 | bolt-work | jelly: right |
| 17:37.33 | runa_ | hi i want to append a file from remote using ssh. i am trying to figure out a comman like "cat asd.txt runa@host append command". is there any way to do somethig like that? |
| 17:38.11 | jelly | runa_: append a remote file, or a local file? |
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| 17:38.36 | leOn | heys |
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| 17:38.57 | pkrumins | what document could i refer to, to understand the difference betweel linux kernel headers and just kernel headers? |
| 17:38.58 | leOn | anyone knows of any available sarge repos? |
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| 17:39.05 | bolt-work | runa_: cat <localfilename> | ssh user@remotemachine "cat > <remotefilename>" |
| 17:39.17 | jelly | runa_: something like cat foo|ssh remote 'cat >> remotefile' |
| 17:39.18 | stew | leOn: archive.debian.org ; note that sarge is no longer supported and known to have security problems |
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| 17:39.38 | jelly | bolt-work: > won't append! |
| 17:39.48 | bolt-work | slaps himself with a jellybean |
| 17:39.53 | bolt-work | jelly: this is true |
| 17:40.11 | simonrvn | Piet: the former package (with the - mind you) is derived from the glibc sources. |
| 17:40.20 | simonrvn | Piet: sorry, bad tab |
| 17:40.21 | jelly | runa_: consider using rsync to sync two files, if that's what you're doing |
| 17:40.22 | bolt-work | who doesn't like a fresh start, though? |
| 17:40.26 | simonrvn | pkrumins: ^^^ |
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| 17:40.33 | vedant | Hi, I just put a gigabit NIC in my desktop, and discovered that copying files from one hard disk to another results in this: http://pastebin.com/m2c208ef8 |
| 17:41.00 | Piet | no probs |
| 17:41.07 | vedant | It says it is just a warning, how major is it? |
| 17:41.12 | pkrumins | scrolls back |
| 17:41.17 | vedant | should I be concerned about it? |
| 17:41.24 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt#L1264 says it all - and still .. that person is sadly misguided - and so am i |
| 17:41.47 | jelly | vedant: how often does it happen? |
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| 17:42.14 | vedant | jelly: whenever there's high activity on the sata bus |
| 17:42.20 | stew | vedant: let me guess. brand new seagate drive? |
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| 17:42.45 | vedant | stew: no, just put a gigabit NIC in the desktop |
| 17:42.45 | hoxu | Do the 1 TB and 1.5 TB Seagate disks have as many problems as the rumor is? :P |
| 17:42.50 | stew | vedant: ok, nm |
| 17:42.56 | bolt-work | hoxu: yes |
| 17:42.58 | stew | hoxu: yes IME |
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| 17:43.15 | pkrumins | damn, didn't find anything |
| 17:43.17 | stew | hoxu: new firmware fixed a lot |
| 17:43.18 | vedant | jelly: there aren't any warnings or errors when there's no activity in the bus |
| 17:43.28 | jelly | vedant: huh. I guess you'll want to take that to a linux kernel mailing list; perhaps linux-ata |
| 17:43.34 | hoxu | stew, and I guess there's no way of making sure you get that new firmware when you buy a disk? |
| 17:43.36 | pkrumins | simonrvn, can you please repeat what you meant by ^^? I can't locate it :( |
| 17:43.41 | simonrvn | wonders what the rumour/anecdotal evidence is |
| 17:43.48 | jelly | vedant: maybe someone on ##kernel could shed some light |
| 17:43.54 | bolt-work | hoxu: buying another brand would help... |
| 17:43.56 | simonrvn | pkrumins: the former package (with the - mind you) is derived from the glibc sources. |
| 17:43.58 | jelly | vedant: uname -r? |
| 17:44.11 | hoxu | bolt-work, what's your recommendation? |
| 17:44.13 | stew | hoxu: i doubt it, though its easy to check, and user upgradable |
| 17:44.17 | pkrumins | simonrvn, oh |
| 17:44.26 | jelly | vedant: if you're running 2.6.18, trying a newer kernel might just be enough to fix a bug of some sort |
| 17:44.26 | vedant | jelly: well, I just wanted to know if the problem was major so I could remove the gigabit NIC to be on the safe side |
| 17:44.45 | jelly | vedant: I'd try putting it in a different slot. |
| 17:44.52 | vedant | jelly: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
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| 17:44.59 | bolt-work | hoxu: well, a raid in the first place :) don't really know which huge-ass drives to buy though. only have experience through friends nagging me about their seagates :) |
| 17:45.22 | jelly | bolt-work: was anything wrong with them seagates? |
| 17:45.36 | jelly | needs a new backup drive too |
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| 17:46.18 | hoxu | jelly, setting actual breaking and data loss aside, I've been reading about freeze/lockup issues... apparently some specific disk operations tend to freeze some models for several dozen of seconds |
| 17:46.20 | jelly | seagate's 5yr warranty isn't really matched by any other vendor |
| 17:46.22 | pkrumins | Now i have another question, i see that my debian 4.0r6 (latest that i could find) has python2.4 on it. What is the right way to upgrade to 2.5? |
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| 17:46.41 | hoxu | jelly, as for that five year warranty, I read from somewhere that Seagate is reverting back to three years too |
| 17:46.55 | bolt-work | jelly: often, they make everything hardlock |
| 17:46.58 | themill | pkrumins: aptitude install python2.5 |
| 17:47.05 | bolt-work | jelly: and the updated firmware doesn't always fix the problem |
| 17:47.16 | vedant | jelly: I am suspecting power problems, esp because of this document: http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/1000/sb/cs-009104.htm |
| 17:47.24 | jelly | bolt-work: been running Barracuda ES models at work very nicely |
| 17:47.28 | pkrumins | easy :) |
| 17:47.31 | bolt-work | jelly: this one guy even had his drive sent back as doa, got a new one, then experienced the same issue, and the firmware didn't do shite |
| 17:48.03 | jelly | vedant: hum. and that's your model? |
| 17:48.09 | vedant | jelly: yep. |
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| 17:48.25 | jelly | vedant: remove it ;-) |
| 17:48.29 | bolt-work | jelly: well, it's all down to luck, i guess. in both cases i have personal experience with, they were replaced with samsung's f1 drives, which are still working fine. |
| 17:48.41 | fildo | !nvidia |
| 17:48.41 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:48.42 | bolt-work | jelly: not that i've personally owned any samsungs that i know of |
| 17:48.56 | enouf | wrong file, ffs |
| 17:49.21 | leOn | thanks stew, just saved my life |
| 17:49.22 | leOn | =) |
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| 17:50.16 | jelly | vedant: even if that's the cause, perhaps moving it around the case might alleviate the issue |
| 17:50.20 | vedant | jelly: not a solution i would like unless i had quite a bit of money :) |
| 17:50.25 | hoxu | jelly, what size are those barracudas that work fine? |
| 17:50.30 | vedant | jelly: in a different slot? hmm |
| 17:50.30 | jelly | hoxu: .75T |
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| 17:50.50 | runa_ | thanks bolt-work jelly |
| 17:51.02 | jelly | hoxu: note: ES models are 2+ times more expensive than consumer |
| 17:51.21 | simonrvn | i wonder how people use all that space. we don't even have 200 gb total |
| 17:51.39 | themill | simonrvn: take a guess |
| 17:51.41 | Sam-NotAFK | I have 12GB only. :( |
| 17:51.49 | nsadmin | aww... |
| 17:51.54 | themill | simonrvn: it isn't for ascii art... |
| 17:51.55 | jelly | simonrvn: porn! |
| 17:51.57 | simonrvn | themill: videos? |
| 17:51.58 | hoxu | jelly, I think the issues are mostly about the 1TB/1.5TB models... I have Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 750 GB ST3750330AS which is just fine |
| 17:52.00 | stew | simonrvn: i have every cd that we own as both flac and ogg, then i do incremental backups of a dozen servers |
| 17:52.10 | bolt-work | simonrvn: porn? dualboot vista? games? warez? all other kinds of ridiculous crap? |
| 17:52.26 | enouf | "Seagate to Cut More Workers, Executive Pay The company plans to reduce its worldwide workforce by nearly 3,000 employees" http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=170416&WT.svl=news2_3 |
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| 17:52.30 | simonrvn | pointless |
| 17:52.39 | nsadmin | what's flac? |
| 17:52.43 | jelly | simonrvn: staging area for backup? |
| 17:52.43 | hoxu | !flac |
| 17:52.44 | dpkg | i heard flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 17:52.53 | keith4 | i have three 750s in software raid 5, never had a problem |
| 17:53.05 | simonrvn | that's the only i'd need it for. backups. |
| 17:53.20 | enouf | !engrish |
| 17:53.20 | dpkg | somebody said engrish was at http://www.engrish.com |
| 17:53.42 | stew | nsadmin: basically a lossless compressed wav. its so I should never have a need to rip all 600 CDs again, no matter what format I decide i want my music in in the future |
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| 17:54.16 | nsadmin | ahh, 600 cds? what kinda stuffdo you listen to? |
| 17:54.23 | simonrvn | ripping cds is such a pita |
| 17:54.37 | hoxu | speaking of backups, does anyone know a nifty way of "archiving" old rdiff-backup increments (so that you could fit the latest ones on a DVD for example)? |
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| 17:55.40 | stew | nsadmin: its 600 CDs worth of different people singing the free software song |
| 17:55.57 | nsadmin | wow... big fan, eh? |
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| 17:57.01 | simonrvn | i'll keep trying to run what i have here already, or find, until it wears out. then poof, offline, probably for good, because the newer older stuff will be next to useless. |
| 17:57.23 | hoxu | stew, so do you have a seagate 1/1.5 TB model that worked fine after firmware update? |
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| 17:57.54 | stew | hoxu: the jury is still out |
| 17:58.06 | hoxu | :) |
| 17:58.07 | stoned | 600 |
| 17:58.30 | stoned | I had 800 back in 2002 ;) |
| 17:58.34 | stew | hoxu: I did lose my array once after the firmware upgrade, but I'm currently blaming that on a cable |
| 17:58.37 | nsadmin | that's gotta be at least 800 hours... |
| 17:58.42 | Sam-NotAFK | Shall I install the targeted or generic kernel? |
| 17:59.00 | re` | something is wrong with my caps lock, some letters (like c e and m) are not influenced by caps lock state, while the others are. IT IS VeRY STRANGe! what could that be? sid with german keyboard layout. |
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| 17:59.06 | stew | Sam-NotAFK: what do you mean? |
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| 17:59.17 | Sam-NotAFK | stew: I'm installing Debian Lenny ATM. |
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| 17:59.48 | stew | re`: can you show us the output of "xmodmap -pk" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 18:00.05 | re` | this is in text console |
| 18:00.23 | re` | wait, i must check in X |
| 18:00.24 | stoned | nsadmin, I pre-order everything from some of my favorite lables, I get 1 cd a week at least now, but anyway, I've all got them ripped to mp3, I just went witth the standard format supported by everything, back in the day, and even after open source formats came out, I simply stuck with mp3 cuz I wanted to keep everything consistent and didn't feel like converting or ripping 1000 or so cds |
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| 18:01.01 | stoned | *mostly metal I might add* |
| 18:01.15 | nsadmin | stoned: are you a fan of the free software song too? :) |
| 18:01.19 | stoned | I mean mp3 is fine enough, I keep my originals safe an dlisten to the burned copies |
| 18:01.20 | re` | stew: in a terminal (X) everything is normal) |
| 18:01.29 | stoned | I really can't tell the difference in a regualr car cd player |
| 18:01.33 | simmerz | bolt-work: i've configured PassivePortRange to 30000 50000 again, so i know what it is. now trying to allow those ports inbound in iptables, but what I've done doesn't seem quite right: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 30000:50000 -j ACCEPT" |
| 18:01.40 | Sam-NotAFK | I would use FLAC but it uses too much space on my 12GB drive. |
| 18:01.50 | stoned | or even my at-home amazing stero, I can't really tell the diff, I ripped to 192kbit mp3 |
| 18:02.03 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: Same. |
| 18:02.16 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: About the not being able to tell difference. |
| 18:02.20 | stoned | nsadmin, love the song damit! |
| 18:02.44 | Sam-NotAFK | is listening to Taylor Swift - Love Story |
| 18:02.45 | nsadmin | I wonder if I can reharmonize it |
| 18:02.46 | stoned | Sam-NotAFK, unless you have like a professional studio quality setup, you can't tell I think |
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| 18:03.03 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: Or if you turn the volume up fairly high? |
| 18:03.05 | stew | re`: its normal in X but not in a text console? |
| 18:03.06 | stoned | I wonder what happens if you convert from mp3 lossy to ogg (which is also lossy) |
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| 18:03.20 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: No increase in quality? |
| 18:03.21 | nsadmin | more loss |
| 18:03.21 | re` | stew: exactly |
| 18:03.22 | stoned | does it screw up the resulting file's audio? |
| 18:03.32 | stoned | nsadmin, thats what I figured |
| 18:03.37 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: I shouldn't think it would improve it. |
| 18:03.40 | stoned | nsadmin, what about mp3 to flac heh |
| 18:03.41 | nsadmin | you're applying loss to lossy |
| 18:03.44 | stoned | thats just useless |
| 18:03.45 | Sam-NotAFK | You can't get lossed quality back. |
| 18:03.52 | stoned | yeh |
| 18:04.04 | Sam-NotAFK | Shall I install the targeted or generic kernel? |
| 18:04.19 | Sam-NotAFK | Hmmm the word "kernel" has nothing to do with it. |
| 18:04.26 | Sam-NotAFK | generic or targeted initrd? |
| 18:04.27 | stew | re`: you could try loading a different keymap with loadkeys? |
| 18:04.33 | stoned | Sam-NotAFK, which cpu? |
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| 18:04.43 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: Intel Atom 1.6GHz |
| 18:05.11 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: EEE901 |
| 18:05.11 | stew | Sam-NotAFK: what is a targetted kernel? |
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| 18:05.11 | stoned | ergular 686 kernel should be good |
| 18:05.23 | Sam-NotAFK | stew: I meant targeted initrd |
| 18:05.32 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: Yep I'm using that. |
| 18:05.36 | stew | never heard of it |
| 18:05.45 | nsadmin | debian packages build the initrd |
| 18:05.48 | stoned | if you have more ram you can use amd64 but I doubt it |
| 18:05.52 | re` | stew: as a test i could try, but i want it to work with german keymap. and i am a console user... |
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| 18:06.06 | stoned | how much max ram can that notebook have? |
| 18:06.09 | Sam-NotAFK | udev initrd |
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| 18:06.18 | enouf | what? |
| 18:06.21 | stoned | hhuh? |
| 18:06.22 | Sam-NotAFK | stoned: 2GB |
| 18:06.26 | stew | re`: see what changes after running "loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de.kmap.gz " |
| 18:06.28 | stoned | Sam-NotAFK, 686 then |
| 18:06.33 | Sam-NotAFK | I wish I could copy and paste this screen. |
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| 18:06.45 | siahdoas | hi |
| 18:06.50 | nsadmin | you could install gpm |
| 18:07.02 | stoned | pipe2pastebin.pl |
| 18:07.06 | siahdoas | how can i add /usr/games/fortune to run on login? |
| 18:07.22 | stoned | doesn't it default to running on login? |
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| 18:07.27 | siahdoas | no |
| 18:07.33 | nsadmin | what kind of login? |
| 18:07.33 | siahdoas | :< |
| 18:07.43 | stoned | nsadmin, 'login' |
| 18:07.49 | themill | or pipe the output to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
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| 18:08.07 | nsadmin | he hasn't said yet... are you sure? |
| 18:08.27 | nsadmin | but anyway if it is that, then I think pam does that' |
| 18:08.29 | stoned | nsadmin, there is only 1 login |
| 18:08.36 | stoned | nsadmin, man login |
| 18:08.39 | siahdoas | normal ssh connection for example |
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| 18:10.17 | mwarning | hi, I miss /usr/lib32/libpthread.so on my 64bit system. How can I install it? |
| 18:10.21 | siahdoas | stoned nsadmin any ideas? |
| 18:10.26 | stoned | siahdoas, not yet |
| 18:10.31 | re` | stew: thanks a lot, that helps. there must be a bug somewhere, because i installed the keymap at installation time and did not change it by hand. i will try to find out what happened. (Didn't know that loadkeys takes .gz files, btw) |
| 18:10.59 | stoned | mwarning, just a hunch, ia32-libs? |
| 18:11.32 | stew | re`: if you want to make that the default keymap, copy or symlink it to /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 18:11.35 | mwarning | already installed (and reinstalled) |
| 18:11.58 | mwarning | doesn't look like it's included in that package |
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| 18:12.19 | stoned | look on packages.debian.org search package contents |
| 18:12.23 | stoned | tpe in the file name and hit go |
| 18:12.46 | mwarning | ok |
| 18:13.05 | themill | mwarning: apt-file is your friend |
| 18:13.13 | stoned | it seems to be in libc6-dev ? |
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| 18:13.46 | stoned | libc6-amd64 |
| 18:13.53 | stoned | themill, apt-file searches for files not in your system? |
| 18:14.04 | themill | stoned: that's the point of it |
| 18:14.06 | stoned | themill, I told him to use pdo in case the file didn't exist on his system |
| 18:14.19 | stoned | I thougth apt-file only reported on installed packages |
| 18:14.24 | stoned | well I'll be damned |
| 18:14.30 | mwarning | stoned, yes, just found libc6-i386 |
| 18:15.00 | mwarning | oh, already installed.. |
| 18:15.34 | stoned | list the fiels in that pckage see which path it is maybe something is looking in /usr/lib32 and maybe its not there |
| 18:15.46 | stoned | maybe the pckage install it in a diff place, dpkg -L libc6-i386 |
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| 18:15.51 | stoned | grep lib |
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| 18:16.18 | stew | mwarning: what makes you think that file should exist? |
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| 18:16.52 | mwarning | because a program needs it and it's pretty basic |
| 18:16.53 | enouf | stew: re` if you run dpkg-reconfigure console-{setup,data} you get offered to select 1 of 4 choices for default keymap behaviour |
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| 18:17.05 | re` | stew: hmm, while caps lock works with the keymap you gave, the german umlauts do not, which is very strange for a keymap called german |
| 18:17.17 | enouf | perhaps one of those choices made at some point was the incorrect one? |
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| 18:17.27 | mwarning | ok, got it |
| 18:17.34 | stew | re`: ok, i'm a dumb american when it comes to this stuff. if you are a german speaker, you could ask #debian.de for advice |
| 18:17.39 | stoned | mwarning, thats what I meant, maybe the program is looking in a diff place than where debian installs it |
| 18:17.45 | Sam-NotAFK | re: Do you have aptitude installed? If not, run 'aptitude install aptitude' |
| 18:18.04 | stoned | aptitude install aptitude? |
| 18:18.12 | stoned | what u smokin' man? |
| 18:18.13 | enouf | judd: versions console-setup |
| 18:18.13 | mwarning | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.14 | judd | enouf: console-setup -- etch: 1.13 lenny: 1.28 sid: 1.28 |
| 18:18.14 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:18.19 | enouf | judd: versions console-data |
| 18:18.20 | judd | enouf: console-data -- etch: 2:1.01-7 lenny: 2:1.07-11 sid: 2:1.07-11 |
| 18:18.32 | re` | enouf: i will try that on another computer, using lenny. i have seen the same problem there |
| 18:18.50 | stoned | mwarning, there ya go |
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| 18:19.57 | stoned | Sam-NotAFK> re: Do you have aptitude installed? If not, run 'aptitude install aptitude' |
| 18:19.58 | mwarning | stoned, thx |
| 18:20.03 | enouf | !info configure-debian |
| 18:20.04 | stoned | this is quoatable |
| 18:20.05 | dpkg | configure-debian: (central configuration program for packages using debconf), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 18:20.29 | stoned | amphi, you gotta see this |
| 18:20.33 | enouf | stoned: definitely |
| 18:20.37 | Sam-NotAFK | !dpkg |
| 18:20.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 18:20.44 | enouf | almost bash.org worthy :-P |
| 18:20.46 | stoned | Sam-NotAFK, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 18:25.49 | martiiin | Hi, I need help to add a resolution mode in xorg.conf. I did something like this but it didnt work out that well, I added this http://pastebin.com/md616301 |
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| 18:27.25 | re` | enouf: playing around with dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but could not find the solution yet. |
| 18:27.26 | stoned | martiiin, google for sample xorg.conf |
| 18:27.27 | pkrumins | How do I list available packages that match "*mysql*"? |
| 18:27.47 | stoned | pkrumins, apt-cache search ^.*mysql* |
| 18:27.48 | Sam-NotAFK | re: I had the same problem. |
| 18:27.55 | Sam-NotAFK | re: I'm currently reinstalling to try to fix it. |
| 18:28.01 | abrotman | pkrumins: apt-cache --names-only search mysql |
| 18:28.16 | enouf | re`: i too am fairly ignorant of such issues :-/ |
| 18:28.20 | pkrumins | thanks :) |
| 18:28.20 | stoned | abrotman, oh... cool (I didn't know this option) |
| 18:28.28 | abrotman | stoned: yes you did .. i told you last year :) |
| 18:28.34 | stoned | oh come on man :) |
| 18:28.35 | abrotman | and you said the same thing then |
| 18:28.39 | stoned | hahaha |
| 18:28.44 | stoned | takes a bow |
| 18:29.11 | enouf | re`: is there perhaps some ~/.inputrc someone is using affecting it? er.. is that a very recent installation? is that a apple/macintosh? |
| 18:29.27 | bolt-work | abrotman++ |
| 18:30.21 | pkrumins | what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:30.32 | stoned | pkrumins, /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 18:30.43 | pkrumins | :) |
| 18:31.05 | pkrumins | thanks |
| 18:31.11 | stoned | yup |
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| 18:32.13 | re` | enouf: no, its not a mac. i have it on different machines. this one is a very low power (7W) Alix board with an old sid installation, but i have seen it also on fresh Lenny installations on Asus Eee. |
| 18:32.26 | re` | i will have to dig deeper |
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| 18:33.07 | unop | stoned, isn't ^.*mysql* the same as .*mysql* ? but perhaps you meant ^.*mysql.* ? |
| 18:33.13 | enouf | re`: same exact issue? or just similar? |
| 18:33.33 | enouf | re`: were the installations done using preseeding or debootstrap? |
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| 18:33.46 | nsadmin | you're using both filename globbing and regexp in the same thing |
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| 18:34.21 | stew | unop: yes ^.*mysql* is the same as .*mysql*. he probably meant "^.*mysql.*" which is the same as just "mysql" |
| 18:34.21 | stoned | unop, either would yeild results he wanted |
| 18:34.31 | nsadmin | unless it isnt, and you would also like to match don't use mysqlllllllll |
| 18:34.32 | stoned | unop, you are correct |
| 18:34.37 | re` | enouf: can't tell for sure, i must double check |
| 18:35.37 | stoned | I have a six year old keyboard, but I don't want another keyboard, I love this keybaord but it startting to suck now |
| 18:35.51 | stoned | the period key is a bit sticky in side |
| 18:35.56 | unop | nsadmin, the file glob would probably fail and that would be passed to the command as-is i.e. a regex |
| 18:36.24 | stew | depends on the shell |
| 18:36.31 | enouf | unop: i noticed when using apt-cache search that if i use ^name, it'll also tell me packages that start with 'name' in their description, not just pkgnames that start with 'name' |
| 18:36.38 | nsadmin | in that case the * would be passed literally |
| 18:36.55 | stew | nsadmin: depends on the shell |
| 18:37.04 | re` | enouf: the sid installation was done with the debian installer and then changed to sid, long ago. The Eee installations where done using the installer from the DebianEeePC project, which is a small netinstall image installing Debian Lenny |
| 18:37.08 | nsadmin | it's not bash? |
| 18:37.16 | enouf | unop: --names-only seems to filter out exact pkgname matches, afaict |
| 18:37.39 | stoned | I just install sid directly ;) |
| 18:37.40 | unop | enouf, yea, which is something else tho |
| 18:37.58 | nsadmin | sid erectly? |
| 18:38.06 | stoned | unop, btw thanks for your bash help the other time, I didn't thank you and I meant to |
| 18:38.20 | unop | nsadmin, even in bash .. if nullglobs were enabled - that glob would not be passed to the command |
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| 18:38.44 | stew | unop: in zsh, apt-cache would never be executed, it would just give a "no matches" error |
| 18:38.45 | unop | stoned, errm, i don't have a very long term memory :) but you're welcome |
| 18:38.54 | enouf | re`: i see - ok, i asked b/c there's various installer localechooser items that can be setup using those other methods i mentioned - seems though your recent Lenny one is a typical install though (but i know nothing about the eeepc installer/versions/images - i think liable might) |
| 18:38.57 | stoned | unop, look who you're tellin' about mem |
| 18:38.58 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:39.12 | unop | stoned, ha ha |
| 18:40.10 | unop | stew, is that as an effect similar to nullglobs in bash? i.e. the glob not being passed as an argument? |
| 18:40.36 | re` | enouf: i do not think it has anything to do with our Eee installer |
| 18:40.38 | enouf | re`: still, it should be 'fixable' once installed ;-) |
| 18:40.55 | enouf | so yeah - something else is messing with the monkey |
| 18:40.58 | re` | i am sure it is, but i want to debug it |
| 18:41.09 | simonrvn | nsadmin: as opposed to sitting down |
| 18:41.32 | enouf | re`: have you tried various keyboards and interfaces? usb, ps/2, etc? |
| 18:41.56 | stew | unop: yes, it looks like unsetting nullglob makes bash behave the same as zsh, that is, in the above case, it would return " no matches found: ^.*mysql*" and not run apt-cache at all |
| 18:42.02 | re` | enouf: the symptom is the same on the Eee. it is present at the text console login prompt even |
| 18:42.48 | enouf | re`: can you tell me output of uname -a for each machine? |
| 18:43.05 | amphi | stoned: what? "< Sam-NotAFK> re: Do you have aptitude installed? If not, run 'aptitude install aptitude'" ? ;) |
| 18:43.37 | enouf | heh |
| 18:43.44 | unop | stew, so zsh chokes on the glob and therefore the command is not executed? interesting. |
| 18:43.47 | stoned | amphi, yes, please put in bot |
| 18:44.03 | stew | unop: yes |
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| 18:44.27 | stoned | simonrvn, may I /msg you |
| 18:44.32 | re` | enouf: oh, uname -a just reminds me that i do run a custom kernel on this Alix board. wait, for the eee... |
| 18:44.33 | unop | stew, sounds a bit more like bash's failglob then |
| 18:44.44 | simonrvn | go ahead |
| 18:44.48 | stoned | thank you |
| 18:45.06 | stew | unop: oh, ok, i might have misread the description of nullglob |
| 18:45.20 | unop | shopt -s failglob; echo foo* |
| 18:45.20 | unop | bash: no match: foo* |
| 18:46.33 | unop | stew, nullglob is when nothing is passed to the command if the glob fails as oppposed to a string representation of the glob as-is when nullglob is not enabled (by default) |
| 18:46.57 | stew | sounds dangerous |
| 18:47.05 | enouf | unop: sounds like a legal document :-P |
| 18:47.07 | \amethyst | it's useful in some situations |
| 18:47.08 | unop | stew, yea, but sometimes useful |
| 18:47.13 | re` | enouf: Linux e901 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP ... i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:47.25 | re` | thats the eee |
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| 18:47.49 | enouf | re`: ok, anyway you can try to upgrade that kernel? /msg dpkg insert (though i don't think it's related - worth a shot) |
| 18:48.16 | \amethyst | stew: for example, if you want to iterate over all (non-dot) files in the current directory you might do for file in * |
| 18:48.36 | enouf | re`: actually cat /proc/version would tell me more, but nm, just update ; and apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 18:48.40 | \amethyst | stew: but if nullglob is off and there are no such files, the loop will run once with $file set to '*' |
| 18:48.42 | unop | enouf, the legality of some bashisms is questionable tho :) |
| 18:49.23 | \amethyst | stew: with nullglob, it will expand to for file in; and the loop won't run at all |
| 18:49.28 | re` | enouf: on the Eee i want to stay with the official Lenny kernel |
| 18:49.41 | re` | the system is up to date |
| 18:50.21 | enouf | re`: hrm, ok - then ofcourse the issue was fixed since 2.6.26-1, as the factoid mentions |
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| 18:50.51 | re` | maybe i'll try 2.6.28 tomorrow (for other reasons) |
| 18:50.52 | enouf | unop: i meant the terminology starts to sound like legalese :-P |
| 18:51.21 | re` | brb |
| 18:51.24 | unop | enouf, yea, sorry .. i couldn't help it, i was seeking clarity (which legalese intends) :p |
| 18:51.48 | enouf | unop: intends clarity? oh please ... |
| 18:51.50 | enouf | hahaha |
| 18:52.54 | unop | enouf, let's not get into this one, eh? :) we'll leave it for law students. |
| 18:53.15 | nsadmin | legalese could intend absolute confusion. just look at the internal revenue code |
| 18:53.32 | nsadmin | tell me THAT intends clarity |
| 18:53.51 | enouf | "the string representation of the glob in the blob is inverse to the nullglob of the blob when, and only when the glob of the blob is not a globule of said nullglob" |
| 18:54.26 | enouf | stoned: another qotd candidate? |
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| 18:54.54 | etb | how can i expand my ext3 partition? |
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| 18:55.10 | enouf | man resize2fs |
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| 18:55.17 | nsadmin | but if the glob of the first part interacts strangely with the blob of the second part, does a gblob result? |
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| 18:55.22 | etb | is it safe? is there a gui? |
| 18:55.24 | pkrumins | I installed latest debian, and now downloaded firefox. When I run it, I get: "You have GTK+ 2.8. This application requires GTK+ 2.10 or newer." |
| 18:55.28 | kzar | I have a script in /etc/init.d that works fine when telling it to start manually but it doesn't work on boot. Any ideas? |
| 18:55.35 | pkrumins | Any ideas why the latest debian does not have latest GTK? |
| 18:55.36 | enouf | etb: make backups NOW! |
| 18:55.40 | enouf | not after ;-) |
| 18:55.43 | hoxu | etb, are you using LVM? |
| 18:55.47 | kzar | (I tried adding a symlink to it inside /etc/rc6.d/ |
| 18:55.55 | etb | no |
| 18:55.56 | unop | enouf, globbing blobberish :p |
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| 18:56.16 | nsadmin | stop blobbering on my shirt! |
| 18:56.19 | enouf | and a happy blobule to you too oh globby :-) |
| 18:56.58 | nsadmin | I wish you a glossy blobbery |
| 18:56.59 | enouf | kzar: rc6.d is generally restart, you likely want rc1.d or rc2.d |
| 18:57.12 | kzar | enouf: OK thanks |
| 18:57.15 | enouf | or rc3.d and alter /etc/inittab to use 3 as default |
| 18:57.28 | enouf | !tell kzar about runlevels |
| 18:57.45 | pkrumins | Any ideas how to upgrade to GTK+ 2.10 or newer? |
| 18:57.53 | kenjy | hi guys, Im ussing svnmailer under debian etch but I have a encoding issue, when some one do a commit, svnmailer sends a mail but the encoding its wrong, for example it shows "arti=CC=81culos" instead of "artÃculos" can you help me? |
| 18:57.57 | pkrumins | Latest debian seems to accidentally shipped with very old version :( |
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| 18:58.16 | dustybin | what are the 'linux sys admin' 5 most used tools? |
| 18:58.17 | stew | pkrumins: the lastest debian doesn't have the latest gtk becuase the latest gtk didn't exist when the current version of debian was frozen over 2 years ago |
| 18:58.20 | enouf | kzar: another option is to just use /etc/rc.local and not even worry about a lsb-compliant init script |
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| 18:58.37 | pkrumins | stew, oops, forgot about that. |
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| 18:58.38 | stew | pkrumins: it wasn't an accident. it was deliberate, and it was done about 2.5 years ago |
| 18:58.39 | nsadmin | dustybin: cat, head, tail, echo, bash |
| 18:58.47 | dustybin | head what the hell is that? |
| 18:58.48 | kzar | oh bugger |
| 18:58.54 | pkrumins | stew, so what are my options now? |
| 18:58.57 | riot | why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -p low not ask me anything about which video-driver or resolutions to use? |
| 18:59.05 | kzar | I just typed rm /etc/rc.local instead of editing it |
| 18:59.13 | kzar | that was pretty amazingly dumb |
| 18:59.14 | stew | pkrumins: use iceweasel 2 instead of iceweasel 3, or upgrade to debian testing, or wait |
| 18:59.19 | nsadmin | dustybin: almost forgot the most used: man |
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| 18:59.25 | riot | i'm trying to run a matrox card here, but debian just refuses to choose anything other than a vesa-server |
| 18:59.31 | enouf | hehe - /msg dpkg confmiss kzar |
| 18:59.34 | pkrumins | googles what iceweasel is. |
| 18:59.58 | enouf | kzar: or .. i'll just pastebin mine ;-) oh wait - mine's been customized |
| 19:00.07 | stew | pkrumins: debian doesn't have firefox, its named 'iceweasel' in debian; /msg dpkg iceweasel ; /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
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| 19:00.15 | pkrumins | stew, interesting. |
| 19:00.24 | kenjy | some help please? |
| 19:00.37 | pkrumins | stew, someone told me about 'sip' version of debian, perhaps i should try that and not stable? |
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| 19:01.11 | stew | pkrumins: you probably mean 'sid' which you don't want. its the 'unstable' version targetted at developers |
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| 19:01.16 | enouf | riot: since Lenny, Xorg is autoconfigured |
| 19:01.20 | pkrumins | stew, i see. |
| 19:01.25 | stew | pkrumins: if anything, you'd want the 'testing' version, codenamed 'lenny' which should be released soon |
| 19:01.35 | pkrumins | aha. |
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| 19:01.37 | kzar | enouf: I tried that command and it didn't restore the file |
| 19:01.49 | enouf | riot: still accepts xorg.conf settings, but now you need to hand edit, whatever - man xorg.conf, man matrox? |
| 19:01.54 | riot | enouf: ook, and why does it autoconfigure _wrong_? |
| 19:02.02 | enouf | riot: shit happens ;-) |
| 19:02.23 | kzar | oh looking at my other server it's standard anyway |
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| 19:02.32 | kzar | just copies it across |
| 19:02.34 | riot | enouf: synonymous for X happens by any chance...? Its always X11 that throws up :( |
| 19:02.47 | enouf | riot: grep -E 'EE|drv' /var/log/Xorg.0.log or just less it, and/or is the -matrox driver installed? |
| 19:03.15 | enouf | kzar: you did something wrong then when using confmiss |
| 19:03.38 | MutantX | can someone help on how to set the IP numbers... I'm trying to change the IP number in the smoothwall vmware that I just got... |
| 19:03.41 | kzar | enouf: Well I used the command like the bot told me too exactly and it didn't throw any errors |
| 19:03.53 | riot | enouf: no errors, yep, it is, i even tried manually removing all but the mga-driver |
| 19:04.12 | enouf | kzar: did you run it on the initscripts pkg? careful though |
| 19:04.35 | kzar | enouf: Nevermind anyway as I said I recovered the file from a different boc |
| 19:04.39 | kzar | box* |
| 19:04.40 | riot | enouf: i'll just try hammering my wishes into the xorg.conf by hand :/ |
| 19:05.41 | enouf | kzar: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/initscripts.postinst i see # Create /etc/rc.local on first time install and when upgrading fro |
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| 19:06.10 | misafir1191 | :D |
| 19:06.17 | enouf | kzar: careful also of md5sum mismatches when upgrading or comparing pkg contents, etc -- see debsums |
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| 19:07.00 | enouf | riot: yes, google your monitor make/model and set the Refresh rate ranges accordingly - also see man cvt, man gtf, and xrandr |
| 19:07.04 | riot | yeaah, thats more like it. |
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| 19:08.11 | riot | whoa, matrox cards are stupidly slow.. but still faster with the mga-driver than using them in vesa mode.. |
| 19:08.46 | riot | enouf: i just added """Driver\t\t"mga"""" to the xorg.conf.. resolution etc. worked "autoconfigured".. ;D |
| 19:08.51 | dustybin | is ossec a bit like snort? |
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| 19:09.09 | enouf | riot: heh .. bravo |
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| 19:09.39 | enouf | riot: might want to file a bug report, so these things get attended to ;-) |
| 19:09.48 | enouf | !tell riot -about reportbug |
| 19:10.10 | riot | enouf: hmm. I can't contribute all too much info about it.. it would be a quite vague report |
| 19:10.40 | enouf | riot: the maintainer(s) will follow up for more info - no prob |
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| 19:11.03 | riot | enouf: ok. I'll just report what i saw happening. |
| 19:11.13 | enouf | riot: you might have older non-working logs at /var/log/Xorg.* |
| 19:11.19 | enouf | still |
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| 19:12.13 | riot | enouf: hmm, those should be all fine, because it worked just fine, only with vesa instead of the needed mga-driver |
| 19:12.29 | enouf | ahh, i see |
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| 19:19.40 | dustybin | what the hell is 'sl' LOLOLOLOL apt-get install sl and type sl |
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| 19:19.55 | martiiin | How do I make my debian machine to not ask for a username & password on boot? |
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| 19:24.39 | simonrvn | dustybin: just a common typo s/sl/ls/ and a proggie to exploit that typo |
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| 19:24.48 | dustybin | haha |
| 19:24.50 | dustybin | funny |
| 19:25.08 | kenjy | debian guys I found this about the svnmailer issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385246 the last comment its from 2007 whats going on with this package? |
| 19:25.15 | kenjy | the problem is not fixed :S |
| 19:25.18 | Spida | I am trying to write a Makefile that calls make in subdirs on their Makefiles for the same target. |
| 19:25.20 | dustybin | rm, cp, mv, ls, ssh, vim, cat, less, head, tail, wget, grep <-- can you think of any other commonly used tools ? |
| 19:25.30 | simonrvn | i just love it when someone asks a question and leaves. |
| 19:25.32 | Spida | Mkaefile looks like target: @for i in $(SUBDIR); do (cd $$i; $(MAKE) target); done |
| 19:25.35 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
| 19:26.03 | Spida | however, even though target is in .PHONY, I get "nothing to be done for target" |
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| 19:26.17 | Spida | when I call make in the subdir directly, it works. |
| 19:26.27 | Spida | any idea what I might be doing wrong? |
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| 19:26.46 | simonrvn | hm, maybe i can find a working example.. i don't do make, myself |
| 19:27.19 | unop | dustybin, dpkg -L coreutils findutils | grep -i bin\/ |
| 19:27.38 | dustybin | ace :D |
| 19:27.47 | enouf | dustybin: /msg dpkg sex |
| 19:27.50 | enouf | :-O |
| 19:28.05 | simonrvn | Spida: seems the one i'm look at has SUBDIRS = |
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| 19:29.01 | simonrvn | Spida: then later a section in sh to recurse into them |
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| 19:29.47 | simonrvn | for f in x $$mAKEFLAGS; do \ # etc. |
| 19:29.51 | dustybin | enouf: LOL |
| 19:29.55 | simonrvn | s,m,M, |
| 19:30.17 | re` | enouf: i have tested the capslock thing on another computer that i have installed for somebody about three weeks ago with newest lenny installer from then: same symptoms... |
| 19:30.27 | pkrumins | wait, hmm |
| 19:30.45 | pkrumins | does it mean that i can't get latest software, if i am using stable debian? |
| 19:30.55 | pkrumins | for example, i just discovered that mysql that i installed was 5.0 |
| 19:31.04 | pkrumins | but i wanted 5.1 and apt-cache search mysql shows no 5.1 |
| 19:31.15 | simonrvn | it works fine. what's the problem? |
| 19:31.16 | yacyac | guys i have used debian kde cd install to install debian.. now i want to setup a pppoe connection but there is no pppoe app in the distro |
| 19:31.22 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 19:31.22 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 19:31.35 | pkrumins | simonrvn, 5.1 fixes a lot of problems in 5.0 |
| 19:31.43 | enouf | re`: i completely forgot it was even a CapLock issue .. even when we were talking some hour(s)? ago |
| 19:31.49 | pkrumins | simonrvn, and i would like to use the same version as in production |
| 19:31.57 | pkrumins | simonrvn, i am setting up development server for myself |
| 19:31.58 | enouf | re`: i thought it was keymapping only |
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| 19:32.22 | simonrvn | pkrumins: see backports ^^^^ |
| 19:32.27 | pkrumins | aha |
| 19:32.50 | re` | enouf: caps lock has no influence on c m and e. the others work |
| 19:33.05 | Spida | simonrvn: that isn't so much different from my version, is it? |
| 19:33.19 | re` | enouf: this is with the german keymap that the installer offers |
| 19:33.35 | re` | enouf: and only on text console |
| 19:34.18 | stew | pkrumins: you'd have to backport the mysql-server-5.1 package yourself, and that means that you'll yourself be responsible for keeping track of, and fixing security problems as they are discovered |
| 19:34.25 | pkrumins | simonrvn, i think i'll change my installation to 'testing', maybe? |
| 19:34.39 | simonrvn | Spida: not too much, except the use of a SUBDIRS = |
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| 19:35.13 | stew | pkrumins: i don't know if that means you'd have to recompile client apps against libmysqlclient16 as well |
| 19:35.23 | pkrumins | can i just mkdir /usr/local/mysql-5.1 and then download mysql-5.1.tgz from mysql.org website and ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql-5.1? |
| 19:35.25 | stew | pkrumins: testing will still have the same issues in this regard |
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| 19:35.43 | pkrumins | or that is not acceptable in debian? |
| 19:35.49 | stew | pkrumins: up to you |
| 19:35.51 | unop | pkrumins, you can .. but ideally you want the debian package manager to manage installations |
| 19:36.17 | pkrumins | i see. |
| 19:36.20 | stew | pkrumins: can applications compiled against libmysqlclient15 talk to a 5.1 server? |
| 19:36.30 | stew | (/me doesn't know) |
| 19:36.31 | pkrumins | do not know. |
| 19:36.33 | unop | pkrumins, you can build debian packages yourself and use them |
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| 19:36.44 | pkrumins | unop, is there a tutorial on that? |
| 19:36.50 | stew | pkrumins: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:37.10 | pkrumins | alright, will try that! |
| 19:37.26 | stew | pkrumins: but in this case, you aren't backporting from sid, you are backporting from experimental, and you should assume that packages from experimental are completely broken |
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| 19:37.58 | pkrumins | hmmmm... |
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| 19:38.41 | pkrumins | i'll try to backport from sid |
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| 19:42.42 | stew | pkrumins: 5.1 isn't in sid |
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| 19:44.25 | pkrumins | oh |
| 19:44.43 | themill | pkrumins: are you really going to use things that are in mysql 5.1 that aren't in 5.0? Very few people (or applications) are likely to do so for some time. Also remember that if you're developing for the bleeding edge, then only other people who want to sit on the bleeding edge can use your software. |
| 19:45.17 | iro | hi everyone. I'm using lenny's linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 kernel and have been asked to test a patch for this kernel by OpenVZ developers. How do I install the sources relative to this kernel? |
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| 19:45.35 | enouf | !source |
| 19:45.35 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 19:45.43 | stew | iro: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:46.05 | iro | 2.6.26-1-openvz-686 |
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| 19:46.17 | pkrumins | themill, i won't use features from 5.1 at the moment, just wanted to use the same version as on running servers (i am setting up a development server). |
| 19:46.18 | en0x | hi does anyone knows where i can get packages for sarge? |
| 19:46.25 | enouf | !ad |
| 19:46.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ad is andorra, or active directory(MS attempt at LDAP) |
| 19:46.28 | enouf | !ado |
| 19:46.28 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 19:46.50 | stew | why all of the sudden today do we have all these people asking about sarge? |
| 19:46.50 | themill | pkrumins: right, so the best plan would probably be to run mysql 5.0 on both the development and production machines. |
| 19:47.06 | stew | en0x: note that sarge is no longer supported and is known to have security problems that nobody is fixing |
| 19:47.08 | enouf | old boxen? |
| 19:47.31 | stew | iro: the source should be linux-source-2.6.26 |
| 19:48.14 | enouf | stew: might not there also be other debian specific pkgs? linux-patch-2.6.26 ?? or similar? |
| 19:48.31 | stew | linux-source already has the patches applied |
| 19:48.36 | enouf | stew: i've found out the hard way with xen on etch |
| 19:48.48 | stew | yeah, xen is a different story |
| 19:48.50 | enouf | stew: not on vserver-xen kernels in 2.6.18 |
| 19:48.53 | enouf | ok |
| 19:48.55 | stew | oh, hmm, i don't know about openvz |
| 19:48.59 | enouf | thanks - different thing |
| 19:49.07 | enouf | right ..hrm.. |
| 19:49.19 | pkrumins | Any ideas about such errors:# services-admin |
| 19:49.19 | pkrumins | (services-admin:19853): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 19:49.31 | themill | dpkg: tell pkrumins about rootx |
| 19:49.42 | themill | pkrumins: note that if you start doing backports, you will also have manage your own security updates for those packages. If you're not going to use these features, then there really doesn't seem to be much point in going through the backporting hassle. |
| 19:49.42 | stew | the problem with apt-get source linux-image-XXX is that you get a source package that is prepared to build a dozen different binary packages |
| 19:49.53 | themill | dpkg: tell pkrumins about root x |
| 19:50.14 | pkrumins | i thought this was an application that had to be run under root |
| 19:50.18 | pkrumins | manage services. |
| 19:50.27 | enouf | stew: i was thinking the patches were separate because possibly a) back then, xen wasn't in the kernel , and maybe b) due to the vmsplice security fixes? |
| 19:50.37 | themill | pkrumins: yes. that's what dpkg told you how to do |
| 19:50.45 | enouf | stew: concerning the vserver-xen 2.6.18 i mean |
| 19:51.00 | mngrif | can someone recommend me a SATA3 RAID controller that is linux compatible? |
| 19:51.03 | pkrumins | ah. |
| 19:51.14 | pkrumins | i thought he said that i must never run anything under root. |
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| 19:52.32 | iro | stew: does linux-source-2.6.26 already have the OpenVZ patch applied? |
| 19:52.55 | enouf | stew: and iro i see /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.26/debian/features/all/openvz/openvz.patch.bz2 in http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/linux-patch-debian-2.6.26/filelist |
| 19:54.43 | enouf | however; "This package includes the patches used to produce the prepackaged linux-source-2.6.26 package, as well as architecture-specific patches " http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-patch-debian-2.6.26 |
| 19:55.00 | stew | iro: we're not sure |
| 19:55.01 | enouf | so, likely not needed |
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| 19:55.06 | iro | enouf: thanks! |
| 19:55.25 | pkrumins | alright, i'll go with mysql 5.0 and see if everything works. |
| 19:55.43 | pkrumins | but now i have another question - i installed mysql 5.0, but what's the correct way to start it in debian? |
| 19:56.03 | stew | pkrumins: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 19:56.15 | pkrumins | and how do i configure that it starts each time system starts? |
| 19:56.16 | stew | pkrumins: (if you installed it, it is probably already running) |
| 19:56.23 | stew | pkrumins: it should already be |
| 19:56.32 | pkrumins | oh yes :) |
| 19:56.35 | pkrumins | it is |
| 19:56.44 | pkrumins | unnatural :) |
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| 19:57.40 | pkrumins | stew, but just to gain more knowledge - suppose /etc/init.d/mysql was not installed and it was not started, what would be the right way to make services start at various runlevels? |
| 19:57.47 | oOarthurOo | I'm having major problems with wesnoth, I think because the version in lenny is already a few version behind stable. The current stable is in sid... can I download the debs and install them, or do I need to add sid repos to my sources list? |
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| 19:58.33 | enouf | iro: for specific questions/issues like these you might want to join the debian-kernel list at lists.debian.org, (and/or find the channel) and search the archives as well |
| 19:58.55 | stew | pkrumins: well you'd first have to get /etc/init.d/mysql reinstalled, which, since it is a conffile, would require confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss ; to manage what starts at what runlevel, look at 'update-rc.d' for a full featured interface, or 'rcconf' for a simple one |
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| 20:00.49 | pkrumins | rcconf does not seem to come with default installation |
| 20:00.52 | themill | !sartup |
| 20:00.55 | pkrumins | update-rc.d does. |
| 20:01.02 | pkrumins | !startup |
| 20:01.02 | dpkg | init.d is probably where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x) |
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| 20:01.27 | enouf | correct, so does invoke-rc.d - but /msg dpkg installit ;-) |
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| 20:01.46 | pkrumins | hehe |
| 20:01.52 | themill | pkrumins: tools like rm and mv do, however, come with the default installation. You don't need rcconf to change the config, it's just a particularly easy way of doing so. |
| 20:02.33 | enouf | you don't even need update-rc.d, you could do it all manually, rename, mv, rm them ;-) |
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| 20:02.50 | pkrumins | right :) |
| 20:02.54 | stew | "init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x" <- I don't know that I believe that |
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| 20:03.23 | enouf | can you tell who added that there/ |
| 20:03.24 | enouf | ? |
| 20:04.29 | stew | !factinfo init.d |
| 20:04.29 | dpkg | init.d -- created by itchi <n=David@unaffiliated/itchi> at Wed Jun 4 20:43:53 2008 (224 days); it has been requested 66 times, last by pkrumins, 3m 27s ago. |
| 20:04.33 | enouf | init system tries not to use any bashisms? |
| 20:04.44 | enouf | itchi!!! |
| 20:04.47 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 20:05.09 | stew | since policy explicitly states that they can end in .sh to be sourced instead of executed, and doesn't make any mention of sh, i don't believe it |
| 20:05.11 | pkrumins | How does one choose if he will have Gnome as desktop or KDE? |
| 20:05.26 | pkrumins | I just installed debian, and ended up with Gnome - i am satisfied. |
| 20:05.46 | pkrumins | I do not remember a choice between those two. |
| 20:05.49 | enouf | stew: he may have just added or edited a bit, keeping most original info if it existed already - as i've done many times |
| 20:06.15 | stew | !init.d =~ s#, or (init scripts must have a shebang line of #!/bin/sh and be mode +x)## |
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| 20:06.42 | stew | bah, that string contains all 3 delimiters |
| 20:06.56 | enouf | pkrumins: gnome is the default one if you select Desktop |
| 20:07.04 | pkrumins | Bah, any ideas what is this directory - "/proc/fs/vmblock/mountPoint/" |
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| 20:07.30 | pkrumins | vmware puts files there when i drag them from host OS |
| 20:07.48 | pkrumins | enouf, aha, ok. |
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| 20:08.03 | enouf | pkrumins: otherwise the KDE-CD1 or you can use "install tasks="standard,kde-desktop" at the boot prompt, however not all of KDE is on the regular CD1 even |
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| 20:08.20 | redspike | Hello, Can i use raid 0 and raid1 software raid on the same 2 disks? if i whant sda1 and sdb1 to be raid0 for the system and sda2 and sdb2 to be raid1 for the /home, can it be done? |
| 20:08.30 | enouf | s/otherwise/otherwise use/ |
| 20:08.36 | pkrumins | enouf, i installed from net, the .iso was 180MB |
| 20:08.40 | enouf | pkrumins: the installation guide has info about all this |
| 20:08.47 | pkrumins | enouf, thanks. |
| 20:08.49 | stew | redspike: yes, that is fine |
| 20:09.04 | redspike | stew: have you tried ? |
| 20:09.12 | enouf | netinstall == same as cd1 as it pertains to this gnome/kde thing, howver, the cd1 has much more software on it |
| 20:09.21 | stew | redspike: nope |
| 20:09.56 | redspike | stew: but software raid on linux is partion based right? so it sould work? |
| 20:10.23 | stew | redspike: no its not partition based, it works with any block device, and a partition happens to be a block device. yes it should work |
| 20:10.25 | mien | Hi im having un issue with firefox on my debian system. the terminal outputs that GLIBC_2.4 not fount (requested by libflash.so...) |
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| 20:11.01 | redspike | stew, thanx. i have buyd 2x raptor 300g sata but is litle scared to run raid0 on my data :) |
| 20:11.13 | enouf | nice\ |
| 20:11.15 | mien | anybody who knows where the problem is? |
| 20:11.19 | stew | mien: you are running etch (or sarge), which has 2.3 not 2.4 |
| 20:11.25 | stew | mien: how did you install firefox and flash? |
| 20:11.26 | enouf | i want to see benchmarks! redspike |
| 20:11.41 | mien | well apt-get install firefox |
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| 20:11.51 | mien | and flash through firefox |
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| 20:12.12 | Eulex | mien, how did you install flash? |
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| 20:12.14 | stew | mien: do you want a free flash plugin? or the non-free flash plugin from adobe? |
| 20:12.29 | mien | realy dont care :D |
| 20:12.41 | mien | haha. |
| 20:12.45 | mien | just want it to work |
| 20:12.57 | stew | mien: then I'd recommend installing gnash from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:13.14 | mien | gnash is GNU Flash? |
| 20:13.15 | mien | neat |
| 20:13.21 | enouf | redspike: mdadm is linux software raid, and operates via creating virtual block devices called 'md' (multi-disk, or similar) so /dev/md0 , /dev/md1 etc |
| 20:13.29 | mien | Love the open source community :D |
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| 20:14.14 | theholyduck | stew, well the problem with gnash is that it sucks :p |
| 20:14.28 | theholyduck | sure it works for somethings like youtube and what not. |
| 20:14.29 | enouf | redspike: do not use fakeraid or your motherboard raid to do this (which would likely require 'dmraid' which is not mdadm, but still uses 'dm' == devicemapper to map the drives) |
| 20:14.44 | stew | theholyduck: the problem with non-free alternatives is that non-free sucks |
| 20:14.51 | theholyduck | stew, admitetly |
| 20:14.59 | stew | and flash in general |
| 20:15.02 | redspike | enouf: ok, so md0 can be raid0 (system) and md1 raid1 (data /home) |
| 20:15.12 | enouf | indeed or vice-versa |
| 20:15.17 | theholyduck | stew, i just use flashblocker + the nonfree plugin |
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| 20:15.39 | theholyduck | thus the few times i DO want flash i enable it. and the rest of the time its out of the way. not clogging my system |
| 20:15.57 | enouf | redspike: so you would create the raid arrays, then run "mkfs [options] /dev/mdX" |
| 20:16.21 | enouf | or mkfs.[whatever] |
| 20:16.58 | redspike | enouf: ok, going to install soon, you know any nice benchmark test apps for disk/raid ? |
| 20:17.25 | enouf | redspike: iozone, IIRC, and bonnie++ -- see lbs.sourceforge.net |
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| 20:17.34 | peleg | Where can I find courier's logs in debian? |
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| 20:18.01 | enouf | redspike: naturally - making sure your SATA disks are in AHCI mode and using NCQ will be important ;-) |
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| 20:19.30 | redspike | enouf, NCQ ? |
| 20:19.51 | enouf | redspike: native command queuing - see linux-ata.org - wiki |
| 20:20.19 | enouf | dmesg will help see it, as well as help with other things |
| 20:20.20 | themill | stew: I've seen people try to use ruby init script and have it fail |
| 20:20.20 | Samuel | Anyone here good with debian packages can help me? |
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| 20:21.07 | stew | themill: good :) though i see /bin/bash with no problems |
| 20:21.35 | stew | Samuel: just assume yes, and ask your real question |
| 20:21.35 | themill | stew: that just means that when sh == bash that the sourced bashisms don't fail. |
| 20:21.53 | enouf | symlink! |
| 20:21.58 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:22.37 | bolt | when I tell tar --one-file-system, it doesn't tar mountpoints, so i have to recreate them after i decompress the archive. is it any way to get it to tar the mountpoints (empty directories)? |
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| 20:23.30 | stew | i wonder if there is even a way that tar could, for instance, know the ownership / permissions of a directory that had a filesystem mounted on top of it |
| 20:23.31 | enouf | bolt: maybe --include="/mnt/point" ? .. or does one need to exclude all others and include / ? hrm... |
| 20:24.22 | Samuel | so there's this program that I've modified and I'm trying to make my a debian package for it, so I've downloaded the source package, and for my changes, I've used "dpatch-edit-patch" which created a patch for me. I then added my patch to the "debian/patches/00list". When I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b", it gets to the point where it applies my path, but just said "failed". I don't see a way to find out why it failed, |
| 20:24.22 | Samuel | and I think I'm doing everything the correct way. What did I do wrong? |
| 20:24.22 | bolt | stew: good point |
| 20:24.32 | enouf | bolt: it's pretty easy to just have a script that does mkdir /mnt/point though, no? |
| 20:24.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.52 | nvts | a url redirects to other url when you click it, I'd like to see the "resulting" url in bash shell without having to open pages in browser. how? |
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| 20:25.29 | bolt | enouf: of course. just wondering if there's a way to do it automagically. i'm taring my whole root partition for backup purposes and just restored it after a hd crash. everything worked fine, except i had to recreate 5 or 6 mountpoints. |
| 20:25.33 | enouf | nvts: curl? wget? |
| 20:25.36 | themill | nvts: depends how the redirect is done. wget may be able to do that for you |
| 20:25.39 | bolt | enouf: thus i'm trying to improve my backup script :) |
| 20:25.47 | dazjorz | what's the difference, in dpkg, between ARCHITECTURE and ARCHITECTURE_CPU ? |
| 20:25.50 | enouf | nvts: use GET=HTTP/1.0 kind of things? |
| 20:25.52 | stew | nvts: how is it redirecting? with a header? a 301/302? with javascript? |
| 20:26.10 | stew | nvts: what is the url? |
| 20:26.39 | nvts | enouf themill it's the wikipedia "random" page |
| 20:26.45 | enouf | i just saw a tool that kind of did this .. wait .. oh, it was a proxy site ;-) |
| 20:27.20 | nvts | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Special:Random |
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| 20:27.36 | nvts | http://www.wikipedia.org/Special:Random |
| 20:27.48 | nvts | any wiki page |
| 20:28.03 | enouf | dazjorz: maybe the former is allowed to have a SUBARCH as well, but not the latter? or .. maybe for certain archs such as MIPS where nobody knows even the ARCH name? :-p |
| 20:28.13 | nvts | I pasted the wrong url |
| 20:28.27 | themill | nvts: wget --max-redirect=0 -O - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random 2>&1 |grep Location |
| 20:28.43 | simonrvn | enouf: mips, mipsel |
| 20:28.49 | enouf | heh |
| 20:29.03 | simonrvn | Endian Little |
| 20:29.08 | enouf | there like 5 others or something, maybe arm related :-p |
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| 20:30.21 | nvts | themill: wow, that's really interesting. thanks alot |
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| 20:30.45 | Samuel | stew: any ideas? |
| 20:30.59 | enouf | nvts: fwiw, check this out, might be handy http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples |
| 20:31.06 | enouf | you too themill |
| 20:31.11 | stew | Samuel: oh, sorry i missed your question, one sec |
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| 20:31.25 | dazjorz | enouf: I'm looking through configure now |
| 20:31.46 | enouf | after all.. we all should know; "What is the melting point of silicon?" :-P |
| 20:31.49 | enouf | runs |
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| 20:32.36 | stew | Samuel: can you try applying them with dpatch apply? |
| 20:32.40 | enouf | dazjorz: does dpkg --print-architecture also have a --print-architecture-cpu variant? |
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| 20:33.11 | stew | doesn't dpatch-edit-patch edit 00list for you? |
| 20:33.30 | enouf | dazjorz: the SUBARCH thing was a reference to when building XEN related kernels, back on .18 |
| 20:33.32 | stew | (/me wishes everyone would switch to quilt) |
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| 20:33.43 | stew | (of course other wish all the quilt users would switch to dpatch) |
| 20:33.53 | stew | ^other^others |
| 20:34.07 | enouf | submits the sewing needles |
| 20:34.17 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:34.42 | Samuel | stew, I don't know the command line for applying them with dpatch. I thought dpatch-edit-patch would edit the 00list for me, but it didn't, so I added it to the bottom of the list |
| 20:35.27 | dazjorz | enouf: doesn't seem so |
| 20:35.42 | dazjorz | enouf: the difference is made during compile-time by dpkg-architecture.pl it seems |
| 20:35.50 | enouf | ahh |
| 20:35.52 | Samuel | stew, I'm not even sure if I'm doing this all the correct way, I've never made/modified a debian package before, and I just searched the internet for some documentation but could find any great documentation |
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| 20:36.22 | enouf | dazjorz: you should shoot an email to the -kernel mailing list or something |
| 20:37.21 | stew | Samuel: try running "dpatch apply patchname" |
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| 20:40.13 | Samuel | stew: dpatch apply debian/patches/jacob.dpatch |
| 20:40.13 | Samuel | debian/patches/jacob does not exist. |
| 20:40.23 | enouf | dazjorz: http://dirac.uos.ac.kr:80/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/dpkg/changelog.gz?type=file |
| 20:40.38 | enouf | dazjorz: search that for ARCHITECTURE_CPU |
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| 20:41.05 | DF-uplanete | salut |
| 20:41.21 | Samuel | stew, though if I look at the source code files in the tree, it looks like my patch has been applied because the changes are there |
| 20:41.33 | enouf | dazjorz: and cputable and archtable |
| 20:41.50 | dazjorz | enouf: My $target is "i686-pc-cygwin", and dpkg-architecture.pl decides it doesn't know that |
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| 20:41.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.10 | dazjorz | enouf: so I need to add it to the ostable and cputable, and am going to read dpkg-architecture.pl on how to do that, now |
| 20:42.21 | enouf | aye, seems so |
| 20:42.32 | dazjorz | :) |
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| 20:43.19 | stew | Samuel: just "dpatch apply jacob.dpatch" |
| 20:43.46 | elik | I just changed my laptop battery and I wondered how gnome power manager reacted to that... it started by saying that the time was unkown, but now it tells me it's estimated... Does it just watch it charge/discharge and redo the estimates? |
| 20:43.50 | Samuel | stew, oh if I just run "dpatch apply jacob", it gets the same error that "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b" gets, "applying patch jacob to ./ ... failed." |
| 20:44.13 | dazjorz | cputable seems to be ok, i686 is recognised as i386 |
| 20:44.14 | stew | Samuel: does it create a .rej file? |
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| 20:44.25 | dazjorz | so for pc-cygwin in the ostable :) |
| 20:45.06 | Samuel | stew, I see .rej files for all the files I changed..... |
| 20:45.18 | kenjy | where are the locales files stored? |
| 20:45.19 | stew | Samuel: those should show you the portions of the patch that failed |
| 20:46.24 | enouf | elik: for gnome-specific things, i'd say try irc.gnome.org ? |
| 20:46.28 | peleg | Do you have any idea where can I find courier's logs for imap? |
| 20:46.30 | Zambezi | I really need an advice for a videotool to cut out a certain part from a video (mpg). Which one is easy when you're totally new at this? |
| 20:46.53 | elik | enouf, I guess that would make sense, sorry |
| 20:46.59 | peleg | Zambezi, maybe (not sure) kino? |
| 20:47.19 | enouf | elik: no no .. it's ok if you're using debian to ask here, plus someone here might actually know ;-) |
| 20:47.19 | peleg | kino is easy, but I am not sure it can do it. Well, I'm quite sure |
| 20:47.26 | Zambezi | peleg: Can't open the file. Already tried. And Openvideoeditor makes no sense to me. |
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| 20:47.50 | elik | enouf, but if I use debian, some here might know as well :D |
| 20:47.55 | peleg | Zambezi, if it can't open the file, then you probably have a problem with ffmpeg |
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| 20:49.02 | Zambezi | peleg: I convert it with MobileMediaConverter cause it's a stupid 3gp. |
| 20:49.06 | elik | enouf, oh... I meant ubuntu, sorry |
| 20:49.06 | dustybin | 20:48 < keith4> note that a lot of your confusion is going to be specific to the debian packages |
| 20:49.32 | Samuel | stew, they look like diff files to me.... Am I creating the patch the correct way? Is there something I'm supposed to do before/after I run dpatch-edit-patch? |
| 20:49.57 | keith4 | dustybin: party foul, man. party foul |
| 20:50.23 | stew | Samuel: yeah, they are portions of the patch that could not be applied |
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| 20:50.38 | dustybin | keith4: hahaha |
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| 20:52.34 | Samuel | stew, I just noticed, when I run "dpatch-edit-patch", it lists all the other patches and says it did not apply them. I need to apply the other patches first since I'm added my patch to the end of the patch list.... |
| 20:53.03 | Jackaruto | has anyone heard of a GNU project simular to sandboxie for MS? |
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| 20:53.57 | Samuel | stew, oh I see... I need to give it a basepatch after my patch name |
| 20:54.01 | nkuttler | Jackaruto: who knows, what does that thing do? |
| 20:54.39 | Jackaruto | nkuttler it corales a program and tests it beofre you relase it to effect the kernal |
| 20:56.17 | Jackaruto | it traps everything inside a shell and won't allow it to write outside the shell while you test it to see what it does to the system |
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| 20:58.43 | enouf | man courierlogger is no help peleg ? how about http://packages.debian.org/courier-doc ? |
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| 21:00.14 | Zambezi | Which is the repo to non-free codec for Lenny? I can't find it or I'm getting errormessages. I need to get proper support for 3gp to convert it to a better format. |
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| 21:01.12 | enouf | peleg: i mean, if not in /var/log/mail.log or similar, then also check /etc/syslog.conf and the courier config files as to where to log |
| 21:01.36 | enouf | !dmm |
| 21:01.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm etch> <dmm lenny> |
| 21:01.54 | enouf | what's 3gp? |
| 21:02.13 | peleg | enouf, see, in mail.log it puts my connections that works perfect, but I think that courier is not seeking in the right place for my mail dir, but I don't find where to see which folder did it try to look for |
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| 21:02.23 | peleg | I'll check syslog |
| 21:02.29 | mien | hi. im installed gnash-mozilla-plugin via backports and tryin to make it work on firefox. but flashapplications just appears as white boxes. how do i solve this? |
| 21:02.34 | enouf | might need some really strong stuff from unofficial-debian.net? or whatever it is |
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| 21:03.05 | peleg | no, it should be there... |
| 21:03.27 | enouf | peleg: well, users logs would be in their /home/username/{Mail,mail} or something - or /var/mail/username |
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| 21:05.28 | peleg | enouf, here it should be /home/vmail/... .. I'll check that. thanks |
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| 21:06.16 | peleg | hmm. no, no logs there. I'll play with courierlogger a bit |
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| 21:10.58 | Zambezi | enouf: Video recorded with Sony Ericsson cellphone. |
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| 21:12.53 | enouf | peleg: before replying to you i was googling and on pdo looking for something to answer with - i noticed there are tons of courier-* pkgs, each does something diff it seems, might you be missing some pkgs? also, dpkg -l courier* , and notice missing? and dpkg -L <pkgname> to see files inside |
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| 21:13.11 | enouf | Zambezi: eww.. |
| 21:13.27 | bolt | FOO=$(time ls 2>&1) <-- this stores the result of "ls" in $FOO. how can I print the result of ls (just an example command) and store the result of time instead? |
| 21:13.28 | enouf | more proprietary CRAP! .. ;-) |
| 21:13.30 | Trewas | Zambezi: 3gp is just some subset of mpeg4 and should work pretty much any player, they work with mplayer and vlc here at least (I don't have debian-packaged versions of those though) |
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| 21:13.35 | kstt | hello here |
| 21:13.52 | enouf | oh .. heh, i bet Sony did something to it though |
| 21:13.53 | bolt | kstt: why all the way over there? |
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| 21:14.13 | argonel | how do i "downgrade" a particular package from experimental to sid? |
| 21:14.27 | oOarthurOo | hmm... I bought these business card cd's, but I can't get a comptuter to recognize them |
| 21:14.38 | kstt | on a fresh debian install, I'm having trouble to use M-! (an emacs common binding). |
| 21:14.46 | kstt | It is being translated to M-/ |
| 21:14.53 | flower | how do I set the right screen resolution? |
| 21:15.04 | peleg | enouf, what is "ii" and what is "un"? |
| 21:15.36 | enouf | peleg: the header tells you, man dpkg, but ii == installed, and un == uninstalled, no further info |
| 21:15.39 | jon13 | can anyone help me to understand why my javaplugin for firefox stops working upon kernel upgrade (i486 to k7)_ If i go back to old kernel it works fine again without any effort...? |
| 21:15.45 | kstt | does anybody know why a fresh debian would translate M-! to M-/ in console ? (M is aka Alt) |
| 21:15.59 | peleg | I see. so some are missing |
| 21:16.01 | Zambezi | Trewas: It's for a complete noob so he can't play it. |
| 21:16.07 | mien | i dont get gnash working with mozilla, can someone help me with that? |
| 21:16.11 | peleg | enouf, I'll install the missing ones. thanks! |
| 21:16.12 | enouf | peleg: i'm not saying you need them all |
| 21:16.21 | peleg | I think I *do* need that one... |
| 21:16.27 | enouf | i'm saying you might be missing a select one that you do need |
| 21:16.31 | peleg | un courier-authmysql |
| 21:16.33 | enouf | oh, which? |
| 21:16.36 | enouf | ahh |
| 21:16.55 | enouf | peleg: apt-get update ; apt-cache show courier-authmysql |
| 21:17.47 | peleg | nothing |
| 21:18.42 | argonel | ahh, easier than i thought. :) |
| 21:18.57 | peleg | but I do have ii courier-authlib-mysql |
| 21:19.28 | peleg | I thought that should be enough... |
| 21:19.58 | enouf | peleg: are you using etch? and are you using apt-get or aptitude? or synaptic? |
| 21:20.02 | peleg | Also, it looks like it DOES authorize me, that is -- the login is succesful |
| 21:20.09 | peleg | etch + aptitude |
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| 21:20.29 | enouf | well, aptitude why <pkgname> .. any help? |
| 21:20.33 | enouf | i use apt-get |
| 21:21.05 | enouf | peleg: i don't even use email - an occassional webmail , but that's it :-/ |
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| 21:21.30 | peleg | aptitude *why"? |
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| 21:21.44 | peleg | you don't use email?? How do you connect with people then? :) |
| 21:22.14 | xerophyte | how can you restart the kswapd, i crashed it |
| 21:22.17 | nsadmin | in person, most times the best way |
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| 21:22.35 | peleg | enouf, I am not sure, but I don't think that this is the problem. I think that the mysql connection works well... |
| 21:22.37 | cafuego | xerophyte: reboot. |
| 21:22.43 | xerophyte | cafuego: okay :) |
| 21:22.44 | cafuego | xerophyte: it's a kernel thread |
| 21:23.03 | peleg | I think I will take a 20 minutes break and then try this courierlogger again |
| 21:23.08 | xerophyte | cafuego: okay thats what i thought |
| 21:23.15 | simonrvn | peleg: by meeting with them face to face. |
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| 21:23.31 | cafuego | xerophyte: Actyualy, *try* running swapoff. See if thats tops the thread. |
| 21:23.47 | peleg | simonrvn, that's good. Better then email, better then IRC. |
| 21:24.06 | peleg | still, some people I really like are far away -- different continents, even. |
| 21:24.08 | enouf | peleg: heh., look what i had bookmarked http://talk.trekweb.com/%7Ejasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.shtml |
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| 21:24.19 | enouf | might be old info |
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| 21:24.54 | mien | does anybody know a way to install glibc 2.4 in debian etch? |
| 21:25.15 | peleg | thanks |
| 21:25.17 | nsadmin | mien: if you want your etch to work you can't install that from the package |
| 21:25.30 | xerophyte | cafuego: nope didn't do anything |
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| 21:25.36 | setveoooooooo | I just created a VPN to a office, I have been assign an ip, and I can ping the router, but I need to route other 192.168.2.* traffic into the VPN, how do I use route to do that |
| 21:25.36 | mien | nsadmin. ok |
| 21:25.38 | stew | mien: you don't. you either find apps that are compiled against 2.3 or you switch to an unreleased version of debian |
| 21:25.42 | cafuego | xerophyte: Oh well, reboot it is, then/ |
| 21:25.49 | nsadmin | you can compile it in a place that will not make it the systemwide libc in any way |
| 21:25.51 | mien | thx... |
| 21:25.53 | xerophyte | cafuego: okay thx |
| 21:25.53 | stew | mien: or you recompile them yourself against 2.3 |
| 21:26.14 | mien | stew: unfortunate, not oss :) |
| 21:26.18 | nsadmin | like.... your home dir |
| 21:26.25 | stew | mien: what software? |
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| 21:26.57 | mien | im not getting gnash to work. so i was about to install adobe flash... but that needs glibc 2.4 |
| 21:27.05 | mien | so thats my problem |
| 21:27.05 | enouf | where is all this non-free shit coming from!? |
| 21:27.32 | stew | mien: use the flashplugin-nonfree package from bpo : /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:27.54 | doti | when i run "service iptables save" i get "no such service iptables" What could be de problem? I'm searching in google but I dosn't found nothing useful |
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| 21:28.08 | enouf | doti: that's a RH command, not debian |
| 21:28.20 | simonrvn | doti: this isn't fedora |
| 21:28.34 | Phil4 | setveoooooooo, route add -net 192.168.2.0/24 XXXX |
| 21:28.39 | johndoe | whats the best file compare tool for linux? (that can show differences smaller than a line) |
| 21:28.41 | Phil4 | where XXXX is the name of your tunnel adaptor |
| 21:28.43 | doti | enouf: Oh, the how to says Debian. Maybe a mistake |
| 21:28.52 | mien | well im new to debian so what command would i run for that? |
| 21:28.53 | enouf | johndoe: comp, comm |
| 21:29.05 | doti | enouf: is there a command for debian to do the same? |
| 21:29.15 | enouf | bah |
| 21:29.18 | enouf | johndoe: cmp, comm |
| 21:29.19 | stew | mien: backports.org has an instructions page which tells you how to set it up |
| 21:29.25 | simonrvn | !invoke-rc.d |
| 21:29.30 | mien | stew. thx |
| 21:29.36 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:29.50 | enouf | doti: i believe just iptables-save |
| 21:29.55 | enouf | man iptables ? |
| 21:30.01 | nsadmin | doti: same as what? you can't necessarily expect people here to know about commands there... it's a NIH situation, not invented here, not supported here |
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| 21:30.07 | enouf | !comfort simonrvn |
| 21:30.07 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:30.13 | simonrvn | /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 21:30.36 | doti | nsadmin: similar to service iptables save |
| 21:30.46 | nsadmin | no idea what that is. |
| 21:30.52 | setveoooooooo | can someone help me setup a route? |
| 21:31.00 | simonrvn | doti: /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 21:31.03 | dazjorz | enouf: what would be a debian triplet, and primarily, what's the difference between a debian triplet and a debian arch? |
| 21:31.06 | abrotman | doti: iptables-save, iptables-restore .. |
| 21:31.16 | simonrvn | setveoooooooo: someone just did |
| 21:31.18 | nsadmin | setveoooooooo: google for rusty's remarkably unreliable guides |
| 21:31.34 | doti | abrotman: but iptables-save only dump the content to standard output |
| 21:31.38 | setveoooooooo | i didnt see it |
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| 21:31.45 | setveoooooooo | Phil4, what is the XXXX |
| 21:31.50 | simonrvn | doti: learn how to use it |
| 21:31.52 | enouf | dazjorz: someone's making babies? |
| 21:31.53 | setveoooooooo | the ip of the router? |
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| 21:31.58 | enouf | runs |
| 21:32.02 | setveoooooooo | the ip of the vpn router? |
| 21:32.03 | nsadmin | doti: and you want what? |
| 21:32.06 | enouf | dazjorz: no idea - really |
| 21:32.06 | simonrvn | 16:28 < Phil4> where XXXX is the name of your tunnel adaptor |
| 21:32.13 | bolt | I want to time a tar process with /usr/bin/time and store the output of the time command in a variable, while printing the tar output as it goes along (-v). I finally managed to trap the output from time using "FOO=$(time (<tar command here>) 2>&1 )" but that obviously doesn't print the output from tar. is there a way to do what I want? |
| 21:32.23 | Phil4 | setveoooooooo, you have a VPN router doing the VPN rather than the Debian box itself? |
| 21:32.29 | stew | doti: yes, you can redirect that to a file |
| 21:32.31 | dazjorz | enouf: okay :P |
| 21:32.41 | doti | stew: ok, thanks |
| 21:33.23 | Phil4 | setveoooooooo, if that's the case, route add -net 192.168.2.0/24 gw 1.2.3.4 |
| 21:33.28 | setveoooooooo | ok, it says no such device when I use that route |
| 21:33.29 | Phil4 | where 1.2.3.4 is the ip of the router |
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| 21:33.43 | setveoooooooo | ok |
| 21:34.04 | pkrumins | I think I need the testing release of Debian... |
| 21:34.04 | vedant | jelly: hey, removing one hard disk worked, thanks for the help. |
| 21:34.08 | Phil4 | but keep in mind, if the router is also your default gateway, adding such a route is pointless |
| 21:34.15 | vedant | now I need to control my fan speeds |
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| 21:34.20 | vedant | it's making too much noise |
| 21:34.21 | pkrumins | Can't get Python 2.5's easy_install to work at all. |
| 21:34.27 | vedant | pwmconfig isn't working |
| 21:34.41 | dazjorz | enouf: I'll just do what seems best to me, can always change later :) |
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| 21:34.53 | setveoooooooo | Phil4, cool it works.... now I need to add this to a file so it always comes up... should I add it to if-up? |
| 21:35.05 | bolt | this is so strange... "FOO=$(time (sleep 1) 2>&1 )" puts the result of time in $FOO. "FOO=$(time (ls) 2>&1 )" puts the result of "ls" in $FOO. I want to print the result of "ls" while storing the result of "time" |
| 21:35.17 | Phil4 | yeh, setveoooooooo |
| 21:35.21 | Phil4 | or rc.local |
| 21:35.26 | Phil4 | as long as it adds it on boot |
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| 21:37.12 | themill | pkrumins: 4 hours ago, I told you: [Thu Jan 15 2009] [17:46:58] <themill> pkrumins: aptitude install python2.5 |
| 21:37.27 | paxcoder | i still think it should be assumed non-free. i mean really. |
| 21:37.32 | paxcoder | hides very well |
| 21:37.45 | nsadmin | it? |
| 21:38.03 | paxcoder | the blobs. non free until proven otherwise, not other way around |
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| 21:38.30 | paxcoder | this way i can install any black box, and it's up to other people to see if it's free or not |
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| 21:38.45 | dazjorz | enouf: your experience is required... suppose I download something for Debian GNU/kFreeBSD on an i386 CPU, what would the architecture be set to? (it's probably either i386 or kfreebsd-i386) |
| 21:38.56 | dazjorz | do you know, by chance? :) |
| 21:39.08 | nsadmin | weren't we talking about that like 5 hours ago? |
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| 21:39.33 | nsadmin | "up to other people" good luck with that :) |
| 21:39.35 | Segaja | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3 |
| 21:39.38 | paxcoder | nsadmin: yes. this is my end of the day conclusion |
| 21:39.41 | zleap | i386 so it should work on a 386 and up |
| 21:39.41 | Segaja | how can i solce this? |
| 21:39.43 | zleap | i guess |
| 21:39.45 | paxcoder | nsadmin: exactly |
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| 21:40.48 | nsadmin | I think there was another conclusion drawn, which you may have forgotten about |
| 21:40.48 | Segaja | i tried wget http://ftp-master.debian-unofficial.org/other/openpgp/archive-key-2008.asc -O - | apt-key add - but it didn't help |
| 21:40.59 | nsadmin | if you don't like it run something you do |
| 21:41.21 | dazjorz | I suppose I just need to compile dpkg on a debian/kfreebsd system, see what it says |
| 21:41.27 | dazjorz | oh wait! I have a gnu/hurd system, it should give some results |
| 21:41.31 | paxcoder | nsadmin: no, i just agreed about those that are truly GPL and there's really no code but the blob itself |
| 21:42.06 | paxcoder | but to assume automatically they're GPL compliant is ridiculous imo, and it's only purpose is lenny |
| 21:42.57 | nsadmin | dfsg does not imply gpl btw :) |
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| 21:43.00 | paxcoder | nsadmin: if you don't like it don't use it got REALLY old, you know? |
| 21:43.10 | paxcoder | nsadmin: you know what i was saying |
| 21:43.30 | nsadmin | old? maybe. but it's the truth, and you don't seem to be accepting that |
| 21:43.44 | paxcoder | whatever. |
| 21:43.51 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 21:44.58 | Gm4n | how do I terminate a zombie process? |
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| 21:45.19 | zleap | kill pid usually i think |
| 21:45.20 | adama_ | Gm4n: kill <process id> |
| 21:45.21 | nsadmin | has to be reaped by its owner |
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| 21:45.35 | Gm4n | yeah, no kill uses seem to work |
| 21:45.44 | adama_ | Gm4n: kill -9 <process id> |
| 21:45.48 | Gm4n | doesn't work, adama_ |
| 21:45.53 | Gm4n | they're zombified |
| 21:46.02 | Gm4n | and nsadmin, is there any way to simulate that? |
| 21:46.21 | Gm4n | or to reassign the process owner? |
| 21:46.23 | adama_ | Gm4n: what program is it? |
| 21:46.26 | nsadmin | not sure... maybe you can reparent them and reap them yourself |
| 21:46.35 | enouf | dazjorz: once again, no idea |
| 21:46.41 | Gm4n | lftp |
| 21:47.39 | Gm4n | I've tried killing them |
| 21:47.47 | Gm4n | but I just end up with [lftp] <defunct> |
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| 21:49.32 | smacnay | Does it make any sense to run rdiff-backup and pipe to a compression app like gzip for backups? |
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| 21:51.21 | enouf | tarzeau: another links2 doozey - this page doesn't display anything, but as usual, it does display the source HTML when one hits \ http://sebsauvage.net/punching/index.html |
| 21:51.36 | dazjorz | enouf: just to let you know: on hurd, the architecture is hurd-i386; on linux, it's i386; therefore, I think setting it to cygwin-i386 will be ok for cygwin. Thanks for your help anyway, maybe this will help you sometime in the future :P |
| 21:51.51 | enouf | horrid webpage dev/author? |
| 21:52.14 | enouf | dazjorz: likely not, cygwin is a joke :-P |
| 21:52.23 | enouf | dazjorz: but thanks ;-) |
| 21:52.35 | dazjorz | enouf: for hurd, then ;) |
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| 21:52.45 | dazjorz | or any other system :) |
| 21:53.07 | enouf | dazjorz: note; i usually specifically go out of my way to not help those that try to homogenize windows with linux ;-) |
| 21:53.10 | abrotman | doti: did you figure it out? |
| 21:53.41 | enouf | but you're so nice, and i recall you from many times in the past :-) |
| 21:53.50 | setveoooooooo | hey what the heck, where is the php5-mssql module in the debian packages? |
| 21:54.21 | adama_ | Gm4n: it appears that you cannot get rid of those defunct processes, but they do not take up any resources whatsoever |
| 21:54.30 | Gm4n | oh, that's good :) |
| 21:54.33 | dazjorz | enouf: I can see that point, I can see the opposing point too though |
| 21:54.41 | Gm4n | I've tried sending kill -CHLD to the parent, but it didn't really work |
| 21:54.42 | enouf | tarzeau: that same url displays fine in midori -- i'm too lazy to try in bloated KonqsOut |
| 21:54.51 | dazjorz | enouf: the original creator of debian-cygwin figured, if people get used to Debian on Cygwin, it may make the switch to "real" Debian easier |
| 21:55.04 | dazjorz | not that any Windows user would start using Cygwin by himself, of course |
| 21:55.24 | enouf | dazjorz: "if people get used to windows ... " <-- you finish Bill's thought :-P |
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| 21:55.31 | sepski | setveoooooooo, probably called php4-mysql or php5-mysql depending on what debian you run |
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| 21:57.31 | bolt | this is so strange... "FOO=$(time (sleep 1) 2>&1 )" puts the result of time in $FOO. "FOO=$(time (ls) 2>&1 )" puts the result of "ls" in $FOO. I want to print the result of "ls" while storing the result of "time" |
| 21:58.01 | JyZyXEL | "The following disables the use of hald-addon-storage for all CD/DVD devices" |
| 21:58.07 | JyZyXEL | whats that? |
| 21:58.24 | adama_ | setveoooooooo if you are looking for MSsql (not MYsql sepski) it is in php5-sybase |
| 21:58.38 | setveoooooooo | sepski, noy mysql MSSQL |
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| 21:58.57 | sepski | setveoooooooo, oohh |
| 21:59.04 | enouf | JyZyXEL: it's what's in file:///usr/share/doc/hal/examples/no-cd-media-check.fdi |
| 21:59.12 | enouf | i think |
| 21:59.25 | adama_ | setveoooooooo: apt-cache show php5-sybase |
| 21:59.28 | JyZyXEL | enouf yes but why is it disabled for all devices? |
| 21:59.31 | JyZyXEL | and what is it? |
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| 21:59.44 | enouf | setveoooooooo: do you really need soooooooooo many oooooooooooosssss? |
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| 22:00.02 | themill | JyZyXEL: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=hald-addon-storage |
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| 22:00.37 | stew | bolt: exec 3>&1 ; FOO=$(time (ls >&3) 2>&1 ) |
| 22:00.41 | enouf | JyZyXEL: you're kidding, right? |
| 22:00.49 | enouf | read the content/comments |
| 22:00.52 | enouf | " An example fdi config that disables media checks on CD devices, to work around certain hardware bugs described in Debian bug #370186" |
| 22:01.06 | stew | bolt: oh that should probably end with ";exec 3>&-" |
| 22:01.24 | JyZyXEL | enouf well mine wasn't in those |
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| 22:02.04 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i referred that to you when .. yesterday? .. IIRC, i think i said it's "likely not the issue, but ..." |
| 22:02.25 | enouf | i forget your issue now though |
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| 22:03.00 | JyZyXEL | my bootup would hang if i had a disc inside the CD drive |
| 22:03.15 | enouf | you posted exact error messages? |
| 22:03.26 | JyZyXEL | there is no error |
| 22:03.31 | JyZyXEL | only silence |
| 22:03.35 | enouf | JyZyXEL: is your BIOS set to Boot from CDROM as 1st in list? |
| 22:03.41 | enouf | of Boot Device order? |
| 22:03.46 | peleg | enouf, are you sure that courierlogger is related to courier? |
| 22:03.54 | JyZyXEL | enouf no |
| 22:03.55 | enouf | peleg: no - google told me |
| 22:04.09 | JyZyXEL | enouf i mean i reach the kernel bootup screen |
| 22:04.11 | enouf | JyZyXEL: have you tried with various CD/DVD media? |
| 22:04.16 | enouf | bootable and otherwise? |
| 22:04.43 | JyZyXEL | hmm well i could try booting to CD |
| 22:04.48 | enouf | maybe your CD/DVD controller is flaking out - or .. maybe your drive's cables are not correct - or jumpers even |
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| 22:04.57 | peleg | "courierlogger is a wrapper that captures another process's error messages, and forwards them to the system logging facility, ''syslog''. " |
| 22:04.57 | bolt | stew: is there any place i can read about that exec thing? i'd like to know more :) |
| 22:05.07 | enouf | look in the BIOS and watch the POST messages JyZyXEL |
| 22:05.21 | enouf | and remove any "quiet" options on the kernel lines |
| 22:05.24 | JyZyXEL | then ill know if debian is broken or the drive is broken |
| 22:05.26 | stew | bolt: google for "advanced bash scripting io redirection" |
| 22:05.36 | bolt | stew: will do. thanks |
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| 22:06.10 | enouf | JyZyXEL: is Debian insrtalled? |
| 22:06.18 | enouf | which release/ISO exactly? |
| 22:06.34 | bolt | while i'm bothering you people anyway, btw, is there a way to avoid printing the ssh banner of a server i'm connecting to as part of a script, while keeping the stderr intact for other error output? (not sending it to /dev/null) |
| 22:06.36 | JyZyXEL | some netinstall i don't remember |
| 22:06.48 | enouf | ... |
| 22:06.52 | dancor | when i boot the debian lenny RC1 IA64 CD1 on my lenovo T400, the screen just stays blank |
| 22:07.00 | enouf | remembers to ask one question at a time |
| 22:07.29 | enouf | dazjorz: ia64 is NOT for you |
| 22:07.33 | enouf | i think ;-) |
| 22:07.39 | enouf | erm dancor |
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| 22:07.43 | dazjorz | :P |
| 22:07.43 | JyZyXEL | ia64 laptop |
| 22:07.48 | dazjorz | EHIGHLIGHT |
| 22:07.49 | enouf | dancor: you want amd64 or i386 |
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| 22:08.04 | enouf | !gothsmite dazjorz |
| 22:08.04 | dpkg | puts on black lipstick and a corset and sings Joy Division songs in dazjorz's ear, off key, while pondering the moon. |
| 22:08.19 | dazjorz | o_O |
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| 22:09.06 | themill | bolt: also "help exec" and spend some time on wooledge.org |
| 22:09.18 | enouf | crap .. she was loaded with red wine last time :-P |
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| 22:09.34 | Brack101 | does debian command line only install include apt? |
| 22:09.35 | dutchfish | Can someone hint me how i can find the EXACT changes for xserver-xorg-core 2:1.4.2-9 -> 2:1.4.2-10 debian lenny 64bit latest? |
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| 22:10.08 | enouf | dutchfish: if all else fails, debian-x .. you know where |
| 22:10.27 | Slart | Hello, if I boot a debian netinstall cd I get a simple prompt where I can choose expert, expertgui, install, installgui etc.. and some other boot options.. what is the application called that lets me do this? |
| 22:10.40 | dutchfish | enouf, hit me, but ... debian-x? |
| 22:10.41 | bolt | themill: i will, thanks |
| 22:10.48 | enouf | Slart: that'd be the menu loader .. erm .. |
| 22:10.56 | themill | dutchfish: grab the two .diff.gz files for the source package and use interdiff on them |
| 22:10.59 | peleg | What imap client that runs from command-line do you know of? |
| 22:11.25 | enouf | Slart: hrm, one sec - haven't looked in a while - the f1-f10 keys are functions of .. er linuxrc? no .. init? no .. wait |
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| 22:11.47 | enouf | Slart: let me loop mount an ISO and see |
| 22:11.55 | Slart | enouf: sure, go ahead =) |
| 22:11.59 | dutchfish | themill, thats the funny part, those dont match the changelog! http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xorg-server/current/changelog |
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| 22:12.17 | Wulf4 | hello |
| 22:12.52 | themill | dutchfish: that changelog doesn't have -10 in it though. |
| 22:12.55 | Wulf4 | which packages should I install to get xen running? |
| 22:13.00 | dutchfish | themill, yep |
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| 22:13.12 | dutchfish | themill, it should |
| 22:13.12 | Slart | enouf: it isn't some kind of grub or lilo variant? |
| 22:13.20 | enouf | ~$ sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt/p3/home/distro/debian/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso /mnt/point/ |
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| 22:13.29 | enouf | ~$ cd /mnt/point/ |
| 22:13.36 | themill | dutchfish: p.d.o frequently lags |
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| 22:13.58 | dutchfish | themill, ah ic ... that explains ... thank you! |
| 22:14.38 | enouf | Slart: ahh --> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 1166 2006-12-02 22:53 isolinux.cfg |
| 22:14.53 | elik | Hum, I installed my debian machine a while ago, and thus packed a few boot entries 2.6.18... 2.6.26 and so on.. I like keeping 1 and the previous one, if something fail... but grub get piled up with the failsafe ones |
| 22:15.00 | Slart | enouf: ah.. so it's called "isolinux" ? |
| 22:15.10 | enouf | /mnt/point/isolinux$ pi "ls -l ." |
| 22:15.10 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1309543 |
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| 22:15.31 | Slart | enouf: thank you for your help |
| 22:15.32 | enouf | Slart: cd isolinux/ ; cat isolinux.cfg |
| 22:15.42 | dutchfish | themill, now that libc6 for my flaovour has been updated, do i need to recompile modules? recommended or my custom kernels? libc6 2.7-16 -> 2.7-18 |
| 22:16.14 | enouf | Slart: much more about all syslinux/isolinux at syslinux.zytor.com |
| 22:16.38 | Slart | enouf: already there.. reading =) |
| 22:16.43 | Slart | thanks again. Bye |
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| 22:17.41 | dutchfish | themill, or does it depends? http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/glibc.html |
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| 22:19.00 | dutchfish | themill, sorry already solved it, thanks, xorg-core compiles fine now :) |
| 22:19.51 | themill | dutchfish: btw the qa pages you were just looking at will always have the changelog fragment in the "Accepted" email in the news section |
| 22:19.54 | enouf | dutchfish: pm on the way to explain what i meant |
| 22:19.55 | dutchfish | themill, i got a hold on libc6-dev 2.7-16 -> 2.7-18 |
| 22:20.27 | dutchfish | themill, yes, but i was looking wich bug# where fixed |
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| 22:22.31 | dutchfish | enouf, thx |
| 22:24.21 | enouf | elik: and? |
| 22:24.36 | enouf | elik: does it look too .. er busy? |
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| 22:24.54 | enouf | elik: do you know what 'single' mode is? |
| 22:25.02 | enouf | elik: do you know what it allows you to do? |
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| 22:25.21 | elik | enouf, uh??? |
| 22:25.27 | enouf | heh |
| 22:25.42 | elik | enouf, so I'd like to get rid of a few entries... |
| 22:25.50 | enouf | elik: if you want to remove many older kernels, fine |
| 22:25.53 | elik | I could edit my menu.lst... or /boot |
| 22:26.14 | elik | I was thinking there must have been a more straightforward way |
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| 22:26.28 | enouf | ok, so apt-get --purge remove linux-image-version1 linux-image-version-2 linux-image-version3 |
| 22:26.32 | elik | That might take care of other stuff I wouldn't have thought of |
| 22:26.44 | moist | Hi. What was the name of the program that allows you to join a certain group in the running session (without logging in anew)? |
| 22:26.52 | enouf | elik: make sure you leave your "working" kernel versions |
| 22:26.57 | elik | and, hum, what about single mode? |
| 22:27.03 | elik | enouf, ok |
| 22:27.04 | enouf | elik: and watch that update-grub runs |
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| 22:27.21 | elik | enouf, to make sure I still have a linux entry? |
| 22:27.26 | enouf | elik: the config file is /etc/kernel-img.conf -- hit that man page |
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| 22:27.54 | enouf | elik: update-grub should remove those entries - man update-grub too |
| 22:28.00 | peleg | enouf! reading my mails via telnet works great, so all of this time it is actually Evolution who's screwing up! :) Is it possible that evolution is expecting a different mailbox hierarchy separator then what I have? |
| 22:28.01 | bjwebb | is there a way to list deb pcakages that are installed, but aren't from any repo in sources.list? |
| 22:28.10 | abrotman | moist: newgrp ? |
| 22:28.14 | enouf | moist: newgrp |
| 22:28.22 | enouf | !win abrotman |
| 22:28.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:28.24 | moist | thanks |
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| 22:28.40 | enouf | bjwebb: wait .. what? |
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| 22:29.03 | bjwebb | *packages |
| 22:29.12 | enouf | bjwebb: you want some aptitude foo -- or dpkg-query foo with using Origin |
| 22:29.25 | enouf | wait .. not necessarily true |
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| 22:29.46 | enouf | because you might have had other official repos at one time |
| 22:30.08 | elik | enouf, hum, can't find man kernel-img.conf :( |
| 22:30.14 | enouf | bjwebb: which "official" mirror the pkgs come from matters not |
| 22:30.24 | enouf | what matters is official vs non-official |
| 22:30.29 | elik | enouf, although /etc/kernel-img.conf refers to it... |
| 22:30.43 | enouf | elik: man kernel-img |
| 22:30.45 | enouf | wait |
| 22:30.47 | stew | bjwebb: perhaps: apt-show-versions | fgrep "No avail" |
| 22:30.53 | elik | enouf, neither |
| 22:31.06 | enouf | no ~$ man kernel-img.conf\ |
| 22:31.08 | elik | enouf, according to auto completion, it doesn't get any better than man kernel |
| 22:31.10 | enouf | er ~$ man kernel-img.conf |
| 22:31.25 | enouf | elik: yes, and i have about 20 here |
| 22:31.26 | elik | No manual entry for kernel-img.conf |
| 22:31.29 | abrotman | enouf: didn't i give you a link a few months ago to a script that does that ? |
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| 22:31.56 | enouf | abrotman: you gave moi? not sure .. i have my own though ;-) |
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| 22:31.57 | abrotman | http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
| 22:32.07 | enouf | ahh .. now i recall |
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| 22:32.17 | abrotman | /msg dpkg list repositories |
| 22:32.22 | enouf | but .. righto .. i never used it, so i forgot - indeed |
| 22:32.34 | abrotman | it wasn't for you, it was for someone on OFTC |
| 22:32.35 | enouf | abrotman: not even months, IIRC |
| 22:32.41 | enouf | right |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | needs less memory banks or whatever they're called |
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| 22:32.46 | enouf | i inquired about it though |
| 22:32.56 | abrotman | neurons! |
| 22:32.59 | enouf | i definitely bookmarked it ;-) |
| 22:33.06 | enouf | looks |
| 22:33.13 | abrotman | doesn't have bookmarks ... |
| 22:33.19 | stew | !beer abrotman |
| 22:33.21 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for abrotman |
| 22:33.22 | elik | even man update-grub says see also kernel-img.conf(5) (contained in the kernel-package package) |
| 22:33.34 | elik | !coffee abrotman |
| 22:33.35 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic Colombian for abrotman, courtesy of elik |
| 22:33.39 | abrotman | ewww coffee!!! |
| 22:33.40 | elik | I think he is more into coffee |
| 22:33.42 | abrotman | runs towards the beer |
| 22:33.44 | elik | oops |
| 22:33.47 | stew | beer is better for neuron reduction |
| 22:33.51 | enouf | OHn03z .. i must've crashed then .. got it again now ;-) |
| 22:33.53 | enouf | thanks |
| 22:34.09 | enouf | really .. with the coffee .. go away |
| 22:34.34 | elik | enouf, so, basically, what is there about kernel-img.conf? |
| 22:34.48 | enouf | searching links2 bookmarks is SOOOOooooo pleasurably FAST! |
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| 22:34.58 | enouf | elik: read it |
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| 22:35.58 | elik | enouf, I see update-grub will repopulate my menu.lst in function of /boot (what about windows dual boot?, will it keep the entry) |
| 22:35.58 | enouf | elik: your /boot/grub/menu.lst settings also affect how update-grub behaves |
| 22:35.58 | enouf | read it |
| 22:35.58 | elik | well, I know my menu.lst... |
| 22:36.01 | craigevil-eee | surfraw + links2 :) |
| 22:36.02 | enouf | elik: it shouldn't touch that -- but it can't hurt to MAKE A BACKUP! ;-) |
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| 22:36.12 | enouf | elik: how wewll |
| 22:36.17 | enouf | elik: how well? |
| 22:36.34 | elik | enouf, hum, |----------------------------------------| that much |
| 22:36.37 | enouf | do you know that certain areas are not comments that start with one # ? |
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| 22:36.54 | enouf | do you know that certain areas/lines are not comments that start with one # ? |
| 22:37.24 | elik | enouf, nope, didn't know that part |
| 22:37.42 | elik | enouf, didn't know about automagic kernel list |
| 22:37.48 | elik | enouf, fanyc |
| 22:38.06 | elik | enouf, I did mess in there, but that was all manual |
| 22:38.10 | Wulf_ | hi. I just installed xen-linux-system-2.6.26.1; when I boot my machine with the xen hypervisor I get this message on the console and then my machine stops doing anything: |
| 22:38.13 | Wulf_ | Starting XEN control daemon: xend[ 50.861061] suspend: event channel 21 |
| 22:38.20 | ferret_0567 | how do I get apt-get to exclude some packages when running autoremove? |
| 22:38.29 | enouf | heh [silly comment] Neurons are overvalued when you have nuclear weapons :-P (thought about spelling that the W way, "nucular" :-P) |
| 22:38.36 | elik | enouf, as for kernel-img.conf, I'd really like to know why I don't have it on my system |
| 22:38.59 | Wulf_ | where could I start debugging my problem? |
| 22:38.59 | enouf | elik: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:39.05 | enouf | Wulf_: you left |
| 22:39.10 | elik | lenny |
| 22:39.18 | elik | 5.0 |
| 22:39.18 | ferret_0567 | !coffee enouf |
| 22:39.18 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of Jamaican Blue Mountain for enouf, courtesy of ferret_0567 |
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| 22:39.59 | elik | enouf, I guess it must be in some obscure package |
| 22:40.03 | cxbv | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
| 22:40.03 | elik | meh |
| 22:40.05 | cxbv | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
| 22:40.07 | cxbv | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
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| 22:40.14 | elik | someone is going oing gone |
| 22:40.49 | enouf | elik: "rgrep -l 'kernel-img.conf' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst" |
| 22:40.49 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1309566 |
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| 22:41.13 | enouf | elik: even dlocate can't find it |
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| 22:41.52 | elik | enouf, hum, ok |
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| 22:42.24 | dutchfish | Wulf_, xc_domain_save may find that the guest has not suspended and sleep in 10ms chunks until it does, did you setup /etc/default/xend correctly? if your system does not support suspend for guest domains you need to disbaled that. |
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| 22:43.15 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: I installed it and rebooted, I've not done anything else yet |
| 22:43.25 | enouf | elik: aha! |
| 22:43.26 | enouf | kernel-package: /usr/share/man/man5/kernel-img.conf.5.gz |
| 22:43.30 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: is dom0 a guest domain? |
| 22:43.34 | dutchfish | Wulf_, hehe, RTFM, you need to setup a bit ;) |
| 22:43.47 | dutchfish | Wulf_, dom0 is the host !guest |
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| 22:43.52 | enouf | ~$ dlc /usr/share/man/man5/kernel-img.conf.5.gz <== dlocate is my baby ;-) |
| 22:43.53 | apt | enouf: that's too long |
| 22:44.01 | enouf | aliased to dlc ofcourse |
| 22:44.20 | elik | enouf, ain't got that.. but eh |
| 22:44.21 | enouf | apt: good |
| 22:44.45 | enouf | !8ball is apt liking the wine tonight? |
| 22:44.45 | dpkg | No. |
| 22:44.46 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: there is no /etc/default/xend |
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| 22:45.07 | dutchfish | Wulf_, is should: http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Debian_Etch_Xen_Install |
| 22:45.13 | enouf | !8ball are you set to always say no to me? |
| 22:45.13 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
| 22:45.21 | dutchfish | Wulf_, mostly is still correct for lenny |
| 22:45.29 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: I run sid |
| 22:45.50 | bolt | stew, themill: this is brilliant. tar and time behave exactly like i want them to now. thanks! :D |
| 22:45.55 | bmoll8 | I currently run freebsd, and love it--I find it to be very stable and reliable. I am considering installing debian testing on a home box, but was wondering if it would be buggy, like ubuntu for example. Ubuntu was a mess the last time I used it, in stark contrast to fbsd. |
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| 22:45.57 | dutchfish | Wulf_, then you run into: http://www.nabble.com/-xen-unstable--xc_save:-ignore-the-first-suspend-event-channel-notification-td19379603.html |
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| 22:46.11 | asdas | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
| 22:46.13 | asdas | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
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| 22:46.18 | enouf | asdas: stop! |
| 22:46.18 | bmoll8 | I have looked at Debian stable with a backports option, but the packages just seem too old |
| 22:46.19 | dutchfish | Wulf_, sorry, i do NOT sid |
| 22:46.26 | zinx | pokes the ops |
| 22:46.36 | enouf | what the heck is tr anyways? |
| 22:46.43 | enouf | translation? |
| 22:46.50 | zinx | turkey? |
| 22:46.52 | enouf | terrormania? |
| 22:46.56 | enouf | heh |
| 22:47.26 | enouf | tarzeau: sorry - someone needs a turkish bath .. but in a turkish prison :-P |
| 22:47.43 | dutchfish | Wulf_, since you do sid, you should be able to patch it |
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| 22:47.50 | enouf | indeed |
| 22:48.13 | elik | enouf, getting rid of 4 kernels gives 215 MB??? it really does take that much space? |
| 22:48.15 | enouf | Wulf_: you shouldn't be using sid without "knowing WTF you're doing" |
| 22:48.32 | enouf | elik: hrm .. .. er .. |
| 22:48.38 | enouf | close |
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| 22:48.53 | enouf | IIRC, the linux-image-pkgs can be 40-50MB? |
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| 22:49.01 | elik | wew, okay |
| 22:49.30 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: thanks, will try it |
| 22:49.31 | enouf | elik: that contains, vmlinuz, system.map and hrmmm .. yes the initrd is made upon installation |
| 22:49.42 | enouf | oh, /boot/config-version |
| 22:49.44 | dutchfish | Wulf_, good luck, but this is hairy stuff |
| 22:49.52 | enouf | which is minuscule |
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| 22:50.40 | enouf | elik: check it out - size-wise at p.d.o or look at output of apt-cache show linux-image-version |
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| 22:51.15 | elik | enouf, rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686': Directory not empty |
| 22:51.32 | enouf | elik: stop |
| 22:51.36 | enouf | man rmdir |
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| 22:51.49 | enouf | elik: you're using ubuntu aren't you? |
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| 22:51.55 | elik | enouf, nah nah |
| 22:52.07 | enouf | elik: i recall your exact issue days ago |
| 22:52.11 | enouf | it was you too |
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| 22:52.18 | elik | nah nah |
| 22:52.33 | enouf | you started installing weirdo shit in weirdo ways |
| 22:52.42 | enouf | help yourself - you fix it ;-) |
| 22:52.52 | elik | enouf, you're mistaken, really |
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| 22:53.35 | enouf | no .. i'm not -- not that you're using NOW ubuntu, but you mentioned you installed/compiled modules with make; make_modules and shit |
| 22:54.00 | elik | enouf, libdvdcss2 |
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| 22:54.13 | enouf | elik: send me your system - for a fee i'll fix it ;-) (/joking) |
| 22:54.33 | elik | enouf, the remaining file is medules.seriomap... |
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| 22:54.43 | dutchfish | elik, can you tell me wich version of libdvdcss2? |
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| 22:54.57 | bmoll8 | enouf: I wanted to know if Debian testing was a relatively stable system; I'd like to install it, but don't want to be finding hacks around various bugs like I did in ubuntu |
| 22:55.02 | elik | dutchfish, the one from vlc |
| 22:55.09 | enouf | elik: i've never heard of, nor personally encountered your specific errors, i know you done some "funk" |
| 22:55.16 | bmoll8 | enouf: I am coming from the freebsd world, but freebsd doesn't support mythtv, and I have read good things about Debian |
| 22:55.21 | enouf | bmoll8: hacks? |
| 22:55.42 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: this patch won't work for my xen version. xc_save.c looks totally different |
| 22:55.44 | dutchfish | elik, can you tell me wich version of libdvdcss2, paste me the dpkg -l | grep libdvdss2 line please |
| 22:55.49 | enouf | bmoll8: Lenny is very usable as a Desktop system, IMHO |
| 22:56.11 | dutchfish | Wulf_, you have topatch by hand, its a fix for upstream |
| 22:56.28 | elik | dutchfish, I compiled and checkinstalled... so my dpkg -l won't be very interesting |
| 22:56.28 | elik | dutchfish, nor is it public |
| 22:56.52 | dutchfish | elik, yak, sorry .. that goes beyond what i know |
| 22:57.04 | elik | enouf, I only mess around to watch movies cause debian can't install some libraries for legal reasons.. I doubt that interacted with my kernel |
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| 22:57.48 | enouf | elik: er .. no, maybe you have it some ArccOS sony crap .. i have no idea |
| 22:57.49 | dutchfish | elik, huh? you could even use mm repo |
| 22:58.02 | enouf | !arccos |
| 22:58.02 | elik | dutchfish, I do have libdvdcss2, ii libdvdcss2 1.2.10-0.2 |
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| 22:58.13 | elik | dutchfish, but it's an empty package |
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| 22:58.19 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 22:58.20 | elik | zasd, fuck YOU |
| 22:58.21 | dutchfish | elik, and what version of vlc? |
| 22:58.33 | enouf | transylvania |
| 22:58.39 | elik | ban his ip, something |
| 22:58.53 | elik | dutchfish, 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 |
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| 22:59.05 | elik | dutchfish, I do have debian mm |
| 22:59.20 | enouf | elik: what is your exact issue please? |
| 22:59.27 | enouf | concerning DVDs? |
| 22:59.31 | elik | dutchfish, anyway, that ain't the issue, enouf was just thinking I was messing with my system big time |
| 22:59.34 | dutchfish | elik, i am afraid that wont match, read vlc or ask there channel, mm... i still think you would be bette rof by using mm repos |
| 22:59.35 | elik | none anymore |
| 22:59.45 | enouf | good - have a Drink on mE! |
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| 23:00.24 | enouf | elik: have you installed kernel-package? to get the man page we discussed? |
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| 23:00.41 | elik | the issue is, purge of my kernel left a file behind, modules.seriomap, and it can't remove /lib/module/vers blah blah |
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| 23:00.52 | enouf | thanks stew |
| 23:00.53 | elik | thank you stew |
| 23:01.12 | elik | had the same ip, hopefully, it's good for a while |
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| 23:01.16 | enouf | maybe i should stop being helpful .. then the trolls will fade into the woodwork maybe |
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| 23:01.35 | enouf | not that i'm pating myself on the back or anything .. |
| 23:01.41 | enouf | patting* |
| 23:01.50 | dutchfish | elik, have you cleaned out ~/.vlc after changing to mm repo? |
| 23:02.06 | stew | i added a hilight for 'ubuntu-tr' too so i'll hopefully notice sooner, but feel free to call !ops if they return |
| 23:02.20 | elik | dutchfish, my videos work... how can I fix it better? |
| 23:02.24 | enouf | elik: people can spam oher ways too .. same IP doesn't matter many times |
| 23:02.32 | dutchfish | elik, define "better"? |
| 23:02.33 | elik | stew, cool |
| 23:02.42 | NGL-TwYsTeD | i just wanna declare with my mouth |
| 23:02.46 | NGL-TwYsTeD | and confess with my tongue |
| 23:02.49 | NGL-TwYsTeD | that Jesus Christ is Lord |
| 23:02.54 | elik | dutchfish, it works, don't fix it |
| 23:02.58 | NGL-TwYsTeD | i |
| 23:02.59 | stew | NGL-TwYsTeD: wrong channel |
| 23:03.01 | NGL-TwYsTeD | <3 |
| 23:03.04 | NGL-TwYsTeD | stew bless you <3 |
| 23:03.08 | enouf | stew: i have NOT used ops! because i have join/part messages hidden |
| 23:03.10 | stew | NGL-TwYsTeD: please keep it on-topic |
| 23:03.19 | NGL-TwYsTeD | stew it is topic |
| 23:03.22 | elik | dutchfish, my vlc is fine, no tocar el vlc, issue is linux-image |
| 23:03.26 | NGL-TwYsTeD | everything is made that was made was made from God bro |
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| 23:03.35 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: this patch is already included in xen-3.3.1, debian sid has xen-3.2.1; I guess I have to install the new xen version by hand |
| 23:03.42 | enouf | and i've seen they're short-lived ... figuring you guys are doing all you can |
| 23:03.57 | stew | NGL-TwYsTeD: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, in the future, please try #religion or #philosophy and keep discussion here related to debian support, thanks |
| 23:03.59 | enouf | thanks |
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| 23:04.15 | dutchfish | Wulf_, then go by qumran docs and use make world etc etc, that works quiet well, also it is not the debian way |
| 23:04.28 | enouf | NGL-TwYsTeD: or some other channel - like #defocus or --offtopic |
| 23:05.14 | dutchfish | Wulf_, maybe rude, but may i ask why you want to mess in SID? special need? |
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| 23:06.04 | enouf | !ops tr |
| 23:06.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: tr |
| 23:06.10 | enouf | ok, sorry |
| 23:06.13 | themill | !win stew |
| 23:06.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 23:06.13 | stew | np |
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| 23:06.33 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: it's not a production system and it works most of the time. at least some years ago I felt that "stable" had too old software and the "testing" didn't get important updates in time, so I choose sid |
| 23:06.51 | Brack101 | what's the best command line media player with mp3 support? |
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| 23:06.57 | dutchfish | Wulf_, mm.. tried bop? |
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| 23:07.04 | dutchfish | s/bop/bpo |
| 23:07.33 | enouf | stew: broaden the scope for a few -- if i may say so |
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| 23:07.38 | dutchfish | Wulf_, or you can go the xen5-express road |
| 23:07.49 | pobega | Brack101: Moc! |
| 23:08.09 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: I used bpo for some production systems if I really needed recent versions. but not for my home computer |
| 23:08.14 | elik | stew, dunno, but got the impression it would be more... expeditious if you were to stay op... |
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| 23:08.30 | enouf | nice word |
| 23:08.33 | themill | enouf: they're coming from very different subnets |
| 23:08.45 | enouf | hasn't seen expeditious written in a while |
| 23:08.48 | dutchfish | Wulf_, ah ic, good good, i am more leaning on KVM nowadays for testing/toying |
| 23:08.55 | enouf | themill: the 88.* |
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| 23:09.25 | yacyac | hiii |
| 23:09.26 | elik | enouf, was the suggestion for expeditive (from French expéditif) :D |
| 23:09.27 | yacyac | anyone around ? |
| 23:09.28 | dutchfish | Wulf_, it has come fore, and is rock stable (at least after some tweaking) |
| 23:09.45 | yacyac | i need some increasing my screen resolution |
| 23:09.50 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: can I use different kernels for my guest systems with kvm? |
| 23:09.55 | themill | enouf: also 98.*. And banning all of 88.* would be taking it a bit far. |
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| 23:09.57 | enouf | yacyac: in X? |
| 23:10.05 | yacyac | yes |
| 23:10.09 | yacyac | i am in kde |
| 23:10.09 | dutchfish | Wulf_, sure i run 2.6.28 with kvm, excellent |
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| 23:10.22 | enouf | yacyac: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:10.24 | yacyac | but in kde max i could change to 1280x800 |
| 23:10.37 | bmoll8 | enouf: by hacks, I meant you had to be very clever in Ubuntu to fix some glaring bugs. I haven't had to do that once in fbsd, and would like to install Debian testing if it will provide a similar experience |
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| 23:10.48 | yacyac | 5.0 |
| 23:10.53 | v4nelle | guys any site with graphic cards supported by linux? |
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| 23:10.59 | bmoll8 | enouf: I want to be able to trust that when something doesn't work, it's because I am doing something wrong, and not because the os itself is crap |
| 23:11.01 | enouf | themill: i know, but not temporarily .. i've seen this channel +m for times |
| 23:11.03 | dutchfish | Wulf_, also good with 2.27.10 and latest 2,6,26 vanillas and debian ones |
| 23:11.30 | Wulf_ | dutchfish: looks like my cpu has no support for this |
| 23:11.34 | yacyac | so any suggestions ? |
| 23:11.39 | Brack101 | pobega: thanks |
| 23:11.46 | yacyac | enouf, any suggestions ? |
| 23:11.47 | enouf | bmoll8: that determination is left to you - the end-user |
| 23:11.57 | dutchfish | Wulf_, ay, then you are out of the running i am afraid, at least for all the nifty things |
| 23:12.00 | enouf | yacyac: patience please |
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| 23:12.09 | yacyac | enouf, hehe |
| 23:12.09 | yacyac | ok |
| 23:12.24 | bolt | joined #ubuntu-tr, and the first thing said was "bolt: we have no idea about the spammers" ... |
| 23:12.58 | enouf | yacyac: pastebin output of grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log and lspci -nnk |
| 23:13.00 | dutchfish | yacyac, http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature (ati) intel do all well on lenny, i have no lcue for nvidia |
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| 23:13.30 | yacyac | dutchfish, i am using dell inspiron 1525 laptop |
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| 23:13.40 | dutchfish | yacyac, intel card? |
| 23:13.44 | yacyac | yes |
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| 23:13.58 | elik | enouf, I might hav messed with my system big time, yet http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2007/06/msg00304.html |
| 23:14.00 | dutchfish | yacyac, should work out of the box with lenny with dri |
| 23:14.04 | Brack101 | pobega: Any idea of MOC can run in the backround as a daemon? |
| 23:14.32 | pobega | Brack101: yeah, you just hit Q, it will load all of your music data (may take a minute or two the first time), then it will stay in the background. |
| 23:14.37 | yacyac | dutchfish, sorry i didnt understand what you said |
| 23:14.47 | Brack101 | pobega: sweet |
| 23:14.48 | Brack101 | thanks |
| 23:14.53 | pobega | Brack101: I configured xbindkeys for mocp commands, so now I have hotkeys to control how mocp plays |
| 23:15.12 | pobega | I also wrote an init.d script for mocp, though it's not fantastic and I'm sure it breaks all of Debian's rules. |
| 23:15.18 | BlackMagik | what is the better solution for cleaning up sessions from PHP, I have the defaults enabled but I think the cron job is just deleting all the session data every 30 mins and not respecting maxlifetime?? |
| 23:15.19 | Brack101 | pobega: I'm going to be using it for a hold music server....I want it to always start up and play the files in a certain directory...possible? |
| 23:15.22 | yacyac | http://pastebin.com/d7be574a0 |
| 23:15.23 | enouf | makes a mental note; Bicardi is so much more mellowing than Scotch ;-) .. but scotch makes me into a s_x__l monster ;-) |
| 23:15.28 | dutchfish | yacyac, if you instal debian lenny for your architecture, then your intel card makes a high change for working with hardwrae accelaration, out of th ebox |
| 23:15.28 | yacyac | result of grep |
| 23:15.39 | pobega | Brack101: /usr/share/doc/mocp/examples |
| 23:15.42 | pobega | I think |
| 23:15.47 | yacyac | i think i have lenny installed |
| 23:15.50 | yacyac | but i am not sure.. |
| 23:15.51 | enouf | elik: what am i to do? |
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| 23:15.53 | yacyac | how do i check |
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| 23:16.00 | elik | enouf, fix it! :P |
| 23:16.06 | Brack101 | pobega: awesome thanks |
| 23:16.06 | dutchfish | yacyac, by installing lenny and trying it i gues |
| 23:16.11 | enouf | elik: snail mail it ;-) |
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| 23:16.32 | elik | enouf, what's snail mail? snail is an insect... |
| 23:16.35 | enouf | yacyac: you should let me know you pastebinned what i asked ofr |
| 23:16.43 | yacyac | http://pastebin.com/d7be574a0 |
| 23:16.45 | adama_ | lolll |
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| 23:16.50 | enouf | elik: snail == slow == USMail ;-) |
| 23:17.00 | dutchfish | yacyac, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:17.21 | enouf | yacyac: wheree's the lspci -nnk ? |
| 23:17.27 | yacyac | http://pastebin.com/d26f3c60b |
| 23:17.33 | yacyac | outcome of lspci |
| 23:17.37 | elik | enouf, ah, makes sense |
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| 23:17.48 | JesusSaves | messing with twysted? |
| 23:18.02 | enouf | elik: as opposed to "email" .. "snailnmail" |
| 23:18.08 | enouf | er |
| 23:18.13 | JesusSaves | the Lord saves. |
| 23:18.26 | elik | enouf, oh, ok |
| 23:18.32 | yacyac | enouf, looks good ? |
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| 23:19.18 | BitUnique | is there a update wine package for lenny testing now? |
| 23:19.25 | BitUnique | updated* |
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| 23:19.36 | enouf | a GM965 and ICH8 is still using Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel ? |
| 23:19.39 | stew | JesusSaves: do you have anythign debian related? |
| 23:19.48 | nkuttler | BitUnique: packages.debian.org |
| 23:19.58 | enouf | that's ALL pcie |
| 23:20.03 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 23:20.31 | enouf | yacyac: uname -r please -- here, in channel |
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| 23:21.30 | yacyac | uname -r |
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| 23:22.16 | yacyac | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:22.24 | Brack101 | anyone know if I'll have any luck with audio drivers for an oldworld beige Power Macintosh G3 and debian ppc? |
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| 23:23.08 | dutchfish | mumbles about intel gems in 2.6.28 |
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| 23:23.48 | enouf | yacyac: show me output of dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri | tail -n 1 |
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| 23:24.25 | enouf | yacyac: also, show me your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 23:24.31 | enouf | pastebin! |
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| 23:24.43 | nkuttler | Brack101: there's #debian-ppc iirc |
| 23:24.45 | yacyac | blacknote:/home/yacyac/Desktop# dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-dri | tail -n 1 |
| 23:24.46 | yacyac | un libgl1-mesa-dri <none> (no description available) |
| 23:24.46 | yacyac | blacknote:/home/yacyac/Desktop# |
| 23:24.49 | yacyac | oops |
| 23:24.57 | nkuttler | !ppc |
| 23:24.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 23:25.19 | enouf | yacyac: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 23:25.52 | yacyac | http://pastebin.com/d6a1e625f |
| 23:25.57 | yacyac | my xorg.conf |
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| 23:26.14 | enouf | yacyac: you forgot my nick .. but ok |
| 23:26.23 | yacyac | what |
| 23:26.31 | ajehals | whois ajehals |
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| 23:26.49 | yacyac | glxinfo : command not found |
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| 23:26.57 | enouf | yacyac: ok, youhave some work ... right |
| 23:27.04 | yacyac | no |
| 23:27.06 | yacyac | why ? |
| 23:27.17 | enouf | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri glx |
| 23:27.20 | enouf | err |
| 23:27.30 | enouf | dammit |
| 23:27.35 | yacyac | what happend |
| 23:28.18 | enouf | apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 23:28.21 | enouf | yacyac: |
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| 23:28.37 | enouf | yacyac: show me lsmod | grep dri |
| 23:28.42 | enouf | er |
| 23:28.51 | enouf | yacyac: show me lsmod | egrep 'dri|drm' |
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| 23:29.16 | yacyac | ok |
| 23:29.21 | yacyac | here or pastebin ? |
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| 23:29.35 | enouf | if more than 1 line --> pastebin |
| 23:29.56 | yacyac | blacknote:/home/yacyac# lsmod | grep dri |
| 23:29.57 | yacyac | blacknote:/home/yacyac# |
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| 23:30.03 | enouf | .. |
| 23:30.09 | enouf | !fail yacyac |
| 23:30.16 | enouf | dpkg/ |
| 23:30.17 | BlackMagik | Does /var/lib/php5 really use session.gc_maxlifetime or not? It seems like my sessions are being cleared every 30mins regardless of what I set for session.gc_maxlifetime. |
| 23:30.23 | DeltaS4 | anyone with experience on tablet pens |
| 23:30.26 | enouf | !test |
| 23:30.26 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:30.42 | bittin^ | !test |
| 23:30.42 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:30.50 | drone77 | !fail enouf |
| 23:30.50 | enouf | yacyac: so no resuts? |
| 23:30.52 | yacyac | enouf, what do you mean fail ? |
| 23:31.00 | enouf | yacyac: forget it |
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| 23:31.45 | yacyac | http://pastebin.com/d1b64efa4 |
| 23:32.00 | yacyac | drm |
| 23:32.38 | enouf | yacyac: did you install the pkg i said? |
| 23:32.53 | enouf | yacyac: no ,not drm .. much more |
| 23:33.17 | enouf | yacyac: i have to go |
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| 23:34.43 | enouf | yacyac: install what i said, restart your KDE session -- add lines to your xorg.conf if neeeded, man xorg.conf, see wiki.x.org and restart X .. you'll be fine |
| 23:34.48 | enouf | goes |
| 23:35.22 | enouf | yacyac: you might need Vert and hor refresh rates - man cvt, man gtf, man xrandr |
| 23:35.32 | enouf | really goes |
| 23:35.35 | yacyac | ok |
| 23:35.39 | yacyac | sorry.. i was in the washroom |
| 23:35.52 | yacyac | that application is installed |
| 23:36.01 | enouf | yacyac: babydoll is now near .. she gets full attention ;-) |
| 23:36.33 | yacyac | ?? huh ? |
| 23:36.43 | amphi | enouf: heh |
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| 23:37.24 | yacyac | i have installed libgl1-mesa-dre |
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| 23:41.43 | dmoerner | faster than I could type !ops |
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| 23:47.23 | pkrumins | Where do I find the list of package urls, to add in sources.list? |
| 23:47.36 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 23:47.36 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 23:47.48 | pkrumins | ty! |
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| 23:49.06 | pkrumins | crazy asshole |
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| 23:49.09 | jaja | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
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| 23:49.13 | Phil4 | oh fuck off dickwad |
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| 23:49.20 | Phil4 | fuckwitt spammed #mysql too |
| 23:49.27 | Phil4 | apparently he's not getting any, or something |
| 23:49.40 | stoned | stop |
| 23:49.44 | stoned | man wtf |
| 23:49.53 | stoned | pkrumins, fuckin stop dude |
| 23:49.57 | Hydroxide | Phil4: yeah, such people are annoying. |
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| 23:50.05 | stoned | ohhey hes around thank god |
| 23:50.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc*] by stew |
| 23:50.16 | Phil4 | maybe we should set up a charity or something |
| 23:50.21 | stoned | Hydroxide, hey bro man |
| 23:50.31 | Hydroxide | hi |
| 23:50.38 | Phil4 | providing financial support to spammers who aren't getting any in the form of hookers |
| 23:50.44 | stoned | Phil4, stop |
| 23:50.44 | Hydroxide | stew: good catch. I didn't notice the cgi-irc bit |
| 23:51.10 | Hydroxide | Phil4: we've stopped jaja's flooding. let's move on and stop insulting with sexual references. |
| 23:51.20 | stew | that is a broad ban. if anyone knows of someone that it catches that it shouldn't catch, please have them contact me or any other op for an exception |
| 23:51.24 | stew | hopefully it won't have to stay too long |
| 23:51.34 | liable | wouldnt you want to add ufmg to that? otherwise all web-cgis' are banned |
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| 23:53.09 | stew | liable: thanks |
| 23:53.17 | liable | np |
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