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| 00:03.11 | stoned | lol |
| 00:03.17 | stoned | ahhhh boy |
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| 00:03.56 | themill | go staff! |
| 00:04.22 | stoned | themill, have you tried kde4 yet? |
| 00:04.47 | themill | no. Once kdepim stuff is sorted and stable I probably will. |
| 00:04.53 | stoned | ok |
| 00:06.12 | themill | There's still a lot of stuff that's not been ported to KDE4 and I don't see any sense in a mishmash desktop that's running both KDE3 and KDE4 apps on it, esp since one of the things I like about KDE is the integration between apps. |
| 00:06.39 | theholyduck | themill, the one thing i dont like about kde is the fact that there is no comix for kde |
| 00:06.43 | theholyduck | or thunar |
| 00:06.57 | theholyduck | but since those are basicly the only gui apps i use |
| 00:07.11 | theholyduck | more power to me! |
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| 00:07.26 | stoned | thunar for kde? have you .. nm |
| 00:07.29 | stew | good luck with the turks, time for me to go to my knitting group! |
| 00:07.35 | stoned | thunar is gtk2 based |
| 00:07.38 | themill | thanks, stew. have fun |
| 00:07.39 | theholyduck | stoned, i know :) |
| 00:07.41 | stoned | stew, later |
| 00:07.45 | theholyduck | that was the point i was trying to make |
| 00:07.47 | theholyduck | same is comix |
| 00:07.52 | stoned | there is no piont |
| 00:07.53 | theholyduck | wich is why i run a fluxbox desktop with gtk2 |
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| 00:07.56 | stoned | it has nothing tod o with kde |
| 00:08.05 | stoned | its gtk2 based, featured with xfce |
| 00:08.13 | stoned | its not even remotely related to kde4 |
| 00:08.26 | stoned | and I'm not sure what comix is |
| 00:08.30 | theholyduck | stoned, sure it does. kde sucks, but id almost consider using it if it had a decent filemanager and image reader |
| 00:08.38 | theholyduck | stoned, sequential image reader |
| 00:08.45 | theholyduck | that lets you read images inside .rars and .zips |
| 00:08.46 | stoned | for comic books? |
| 00:08.49 | theholyduck | and .zips inside .rars |
| 00:08.49 | themill | theholyduck: good for you. The problem with fluxbox is that it digikam, kdevelop, kontact, kate, ... don't integrate nicely into it. |
| 00:08.49 | stoned | CBR files?> |
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| 00:09.06 | stoned | kde3 is ... FUCK man... |
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| 00:09.08 | theholyduck | stoned, anything really :P |
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| 00:09.19 | themill | liable: should have left stew with that broad ban |
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| 00:09.23 | themill | !ops tr is back |
| 00:09.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: tr is back |
| 00:09.24 | liable | i knew the tard would find another server |
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| 00:09.35 | theholyduck | stoned, .cbr is just images inside a .rar with a fancy name |
| 00:09.46 | stoned | theholyduck, well I love kde3 |
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| 00:09.57 | stoned | theholyduck, I Can't live without it, as for a universal viewer |
| 00:10.01 | stoned | you can't top konqueror |
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| 00:10.03 | stoned | just can't |
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| 00:10.05 | stoned | konqueror adjf;lkajs;ldfkjasdf |
| 00:10.08 | stoned | fuck man! |
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| 00:10.14 | nvts | lopl |
| 00:10.15 | stoned | how manydiff people do I ignore |
| 00:10.17 | stoned | with this spam |
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| 00:10.19 | stoned | fuck. |
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| 00:10.32 | theholyduck | stoned, well the problem with desktop enviroments. is that they are large and annoying |
| 00:10.33 | stoned | anyway |
| 00:10.40 | nvts | that makes me so want to join that channel, all the spam |
| 00:10.47 | stoned | theholyduck, well, they are 'desktop evn.' not a single wm |
| 00:10.47 | stoned | :) |
| 00:11.03 | theholyduck | stoned, but especially when they come with a distro |
| 00:11.06 | stoned | the point isn't the size of the software, point is functionality |
| 00:11.08 | theholyduck | take ubuntu for example.. |
| 00:11.11 | theholyduck | and gnome |
| 00:11.11 | Thehelpfulone | the ban list is madness here ;) |
| 00:11.19 | stoned | brb phone my mom just called |
| 00:11.21 | stoned | I'm about to get bitched out |
| 00:11.23 | stoned | latr |
| 00:11.25 | theholyduck | it comes with... 2-3 music players. |
| 00:11.26 | theholyduck | etc |
| 00:11.33 | theholyduck | none of wich you're EVER going to use |
| 00:11.40 | theholyduck | because they arent as good as mpd |
| 00:11.44 | theholyduck | or as featurefull as amarok |
| 00:11.53 | theholyduck | a completely useless video player aswell. |
| 00:11.55 | H2S04 | theholyduck, heh. |
| 00:12.05 | H2S04 | theholyduck, amarok can't handle my collection, MPD! |
| 00:12.07 | theholyduck | full officie suite and all other stuff you dont need |
| 00:12.17 | themill | theholyduck: don't install the metapackage then, install only the core components. |
| 00:12.17 | theholyduck | H2S04, i use mpd aswell |
| 00:12.29 | themill | theholyduck: Also, take all your statements and s/you/I/, please. |
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| 00:12.42 | H2S04 | themill, have you played with ario? |
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| 00:12.46 | H2S04 | erp |
| 00:12.46 | amphi | bah |
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| 00:12.48 | drone77 | oh for god's sake |
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| 00:12.52 | H2S04 | theholyduck, ario? |
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| 00:13.03 | theholyduck | H2S04, naw |
| 00:13.12 | H2S04 | theholyduck, I give it to noobs. |
| 00:13.24 | theholyduck | another thing that annoys me about desktop envs. is the fact that they have autogenerated menus |
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| 00:13.29 | theholyduck | with everything installed on the system in them |
| 00:13.33 | H2S04 | theholyduck, amarok / rhythm box interface. |
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| 00:13.43 | H2S04 | theholyduck, I use Xmonad |
| 00:13.50 | H2S04 | I don't have to worry about any of that ;) |
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| 00:13.55 | FendarilU | no spam here? |
| 00:14.06 | theholyduck | H2S04, well i mean. i use what.. 6 menu entries |
| 00:14.12 | theholyduck | maybe 7. |
| 00:14.22 | H2S04 | theholyduck, I don't use any |
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| 00:14.24 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 00:14.36 | theholyduck | id like all of them right next to eachother. and NOTHING else. |
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| 00:15.10 | H2S04 | theholyduck, then why don't you do that instead of complaining about it? |
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| 00:15.15 | theholyduck | H2S04, i do :) |
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| 00:15.18 | themill | FendarilU: keep watching |
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| 00:15.25 | theholyduck | H2S04, im just saying desktops envs are too unconfigurable |
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| 00:15.27 | theholyduck | also |
| 00:15.30 | theholyduck | where did all the ops go? |
| 00:15.35 | stoned | 07:14 < theholyduck> H2S04, im just saying desktops envs are too unconfigurable |
| 00:15.37 | FendarilU | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.38 | stoned | incorrect! |
| 00:15.41 | H2S04 | theholyduck, depends |
| 00:15.43 | stoned | especially in the case of kde3 |
| 00:15.49 | stoned | highly inaccuate |
| 00:15.52 | stoned | inaccurte* |
| 00:15.55 | stoned | al;ksjdf;lkasjdf fuck my keyborad |
| 00:15.55 | H2S04 | stoned, kde4 is another story. |
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| 00:15.59 | H2S04 | :p |
| 00:16.01 | stoned | fuck kde4 |
| 00:16.02 | stoned | :) |
| 00:16.03 | theholyduck | stoned, soo i could have a custom menu with 6 entries on kde3? |
| 00:16.08 | theholyduck | and NOTHING else in the menu? |
| 00:16.11 | Thehelpfulone | /mode +b *!?=58e439cd@* |
| 00:16.12 | stoned | theholyduck, absolutely |
| 00:16.13 | Thehelpfulone | ops ^ |
| 00:16.16 | stoned | theholyduck, kmenuedit |
| 00:16.18 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:16.18 | H2S04 | Thehelpfulone, sure, you could have it with gnome too. |
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| 00:16.59 | H2S04 | or even when I used KDE I didn't use the menu bar. |
| 00:17.03 | H2S04 | run > * |
| 00:17.39 | H2S04 | I don't see why what the menu contains even matters when I was using KDE I just removed it. |
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| 00:22.17 | themill | Thehelpfulone: klined. |
| 00:22.48 | Thehelpfulone | themill: :) |
| 00:22.59 | themill | not by me, thank Dave2 |
| 00:23.10 | stoned | !Dave2++ |
| 00:23.15 | stoned | where ever he may be |
| 00:23.34 | stoned | oh it doesn't say |
| 00:23.38 | pkrumins | is it safe to use Lenny? |
| 00:23.42 | stoned | yes! |
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| 00:24.15 | pkrumins | thanks! |
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| 00:24.15 | stoned | pkrumins, lenny is good enoug/stable enough to be used |
| 00:24.15 | luke3321 | im on lenny right now |
| 00:24.15 | pkrumins | great |
| 00:24.15 | luke3321 | i dont want to ever go back to etch.... |
| 00:24.18 | themill | pkrumins: but if you just want python2.5 then we've been through that already |
| 00:24.20 | pkrumins | so does it mean when the next stable comes out, it will be called "Lenny"? |
| 00:24.33 | themill | yes |
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| 00:24.33 | stoned | no |
| 00:24.37 | stoned | well yes but no |
| 00:24.45 | pkrumins | themill, yes, we went through that :) |
| 00:24.47 | stoned | lenny will be stable and thats it |
| 00:24.59 | stoned | there are 3 phases through which various debian releases go through |
| 00:25.12 | luke3321 | unstable, testing, stable |
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| 00:25.21 | stoned | lenny doesn't mean stable, lenny means debian 5.0 |
| 00:25.21 | pkrumins | themill, don't want just Python 2.5 - i talked with a fellow OSS hacker from www.shlomifish.com and he told me it was generally a wise idea to use Lenny. |
| 00:25.48 | pkrumins | oops, www.shlomifish.org |
| 00:25.48 | stoned | lenny is in testing right now, and it will move to stable soon, but its still lenny, and then squeeze will be testing |
| 00:26.03 | luke3321 | squueze is the next name? |
| 00:26.06 | stoned | when squeeze is moved into stable lenny will move into oldstable |
| 00:26.10 | stoned | luke3321, yes |
| 00:26.21 | luke3321 | ah, i like it |
| 00:26.25 | themill | stoned: yes, and the "next stable will be called lenny" is still correct. Just as the current stable is called etch. |
| 00:26.39 | stoned | themill, yes, which is why I said yes but no but yes :) |
| 00:26.49 | stoned | themill, I was just explianing to him how it works |
| 00:26.50 | pkrumins | themill, and he also said the same thing that etch is more suitable for servers (which you or someone else here said as well) and not desktop, so i took his advice. |
| 00:27.24 | luke3321 | pkrumins: thats generally a good ides, while lenny is pretty stable, there are a few bugs |
| 00:27.35 | themill | pkrumins: now that lenny has full security support I would consider it for a server, but it's still a bit of a moving target at times. |
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| 00:28.12 | pkrumins | i see. |
| 00:29.09 | stoned | you do? |
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| 00:29.17 | stoned | ;) heh |
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| 00:29.29 | themill | pkrumins: feel free to explain it to stoned some time then :P |
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| 00:30.38 | supersoundguy | does debian's amd64 kernels support the core2 quad? |
| 00:30.41 | BCM43 | I have a Powerbook G4 867 mhz running debian and am having the same problems described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-222413.html |
| 00:30.44 | stoned | supersoundguy, yes |
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| 00:31.04 | luke3321 | stoned: how in the WORLD do you type peoples name that fast |
| 00:31.14 | stoned | luke3321, tab completion in irssi |
| 00:31.15 | BCM43 | luke3321: use tab |
| 00:31.29 | stoned | plus I'm known to type a lot at great speed |
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| 00:31.32 | stoned | !debstats |
| 00:31.32 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://members.ziggo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 00:31.32 | luke3321 | ahhh.... nice feature |
| 00:31.33 | supersoundguy | thanks stoned |
| 00:31.34 | BCM43 | stoned: works on almose all of them |
| 00:31.36 | stoned | see for yourself |
| 00:31.36 | pkrumins | i think stoned also understands it |
| 00:31.37 | pkrumins | :) |
| 00:31.48 | stoned | there is only one who can eclipse my speed! that is enouf |
| 00:32.00 | stoned | well abrotman sometimes gets past me |
| 00:32.11 | stoned | but I'm there |
| 00:33.16 | luke3321 | supersoundguy, the normal i386 arch supports the core 2 quad. I'm using it right now ;) |
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| 00:33.33 | stoned | luke3321, he was asking if core2 quad works on debian amd64 port |
| 00:33.35 | stoned | yes it does |
| 00:33.47 | luke3321 | stoned, i know, just giving extra info |
| 00:33.50 | stoned | it is EM64T enabled, and as such is 100% AMD64 compatible |
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| 00:34.07 | themill | stoned: which bit of those stats show you're a fast typer? They show that you ramble a lot and write lots of short lines.... that's almost the same thing I guess... |
| 00:34.49 | stoned | themill, don't be jealous. |
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| 00:35.15 | themill | suspects FendarilU is going for an entry in the stats log |
| 00:35.17 | Clessmo_ | hi |
| 00:35.40 | Clessmo_ | any 1280x800 resolution user ?! |
| 00:36.00 | stoned | themill, very mature. |
| 00:36.11 | luke3321 | Clessmo_: used to, not anymore |
| 00:36.14 | Clessmo_ | impossible for me to make 915resolution to see this resolution !!!! |
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| 00:36.25 | Clessmo_ | any idea ? |
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| 00:37.04 | themill | Clessmo_: what card do you have and what debian release are you using? |
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| 00:37.23 | Clessmo_ | debian testing (lenny) on a Dell D430 |
| 00:37.30 | Clessmo_ | intel chipset |
| 00:37.38 | themill | Clessmo_: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 00:37.47 | Clessmo_ | I m not on it |
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| 00:38.00 | Clessmo_ | wait a minute thanks |
| 00:38.01 | Clessmo_ | :D |
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| 00:38.10 | FendarilU | v |
| 00:38.10 | FendarilU | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.40 | dmoerner | this is getting pretty ridiculous |
| 00:38.47 | luke3321 | what? |
| 00:38.55 | stoned | dmoerner, its easy |
| 00:39.03 | BCM43 | BCM43: I have a Powerbook G4 867 mhz running debian and am having the same problems described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-222413.html |
| 00:39.05 | Clessmo_ | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 00:39.06 | Clessmo_ | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 00:39.11 | dmoerner | stoned: what? |
| 00:39.13 | stoned | use /ignore -regexp and ignore any line containing ubuntu-tr |
| 00:39.15 | stoned | problem solved |
| 00:39.19 | stoned | you won't even see it |
| 00:39.39 | dmoerner | oh of course it's easy to ignore but i find it amusing that it keeps coming |
| 00:39.40 | stoned | or which ever client you are using I hope it features that |
| 00:39.46 | amphi | Clessmo_: you're using the 'intel' xorg driver? |
| 00:39.53 | stoned | dmoerner, oh yes, amsuing and highly irritating as well |
| 00:39.54 | Clessmo_ | yes |
| 00:39.56 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:40.04 | themill | Clessmo_: You might find that the etchnhalf "intel" xorg driver helps. oh nevermind ;( |
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| 00:40.41 | Clessmo_ | amphi: ok for this but I am trying to have a good framebuffer resolution |
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| 00:40.55 | themill | Clessmo_: the "intel" driver doesn't use 915resolution though... |
| 00:41.27 | Clessmo_ | themill: even if I add it ? |
| 00:41.38 | amphi | Clessmo_: oh, fb console? you need uvesafb I think, for shortscreen panels |
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| 00:41.57 | Clessmo_ | amphi: i know it but the problem is here |
| 00:42.16 | Clessmo_ | the compilation of v86d is ok |
| 00:42.24 | themill | Clessmo_: 915resolution was replaced by the newer intel driver (as opposed to the i810 driver). |
| 00:42.53 | Clessmo_ | themill: where did you see that ? any link ? |
| 00:42.59 | themill | Clessmo_: what's the output of: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel |tail -1 |
| 00:43.20 | Clessmo_ | My computer is not near me sorry |
| 00:43.29 | themill | oh yeah... sorry |
| 00:43.48 | Clessmo_ | themill: thanks ! |
| 00:44.01 | themill | dpkg: dbugs 484251 |
| 00:44.05 | dpkg | DONE:#484251:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: 915resolution -- ROM; Obsolete package, functionality is given by the xorg intel package (); Tue, 03 Jun 2008 08:42:02 UTC [] |
| 00:44.08 | themill | Clessmo_: ^^ |
| 00:44.52 | Clessmo_ | themill: oh so good !!!!! |
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| 00:46.05 | fruli | #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr #ubuntu-tr |
| 00:46.11 | themill | Clessmo_: so make sure you've got the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed (and you can remove the xserver-xorg-video-i810 and 915resolution packages), then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and probably reboot to reinitialise the video hardware. |
| 00:46.37 | Clessmo_ | themill: ok, I will try it |
| 00:47.01 | Clessmo_ | themill: what about 1280x800 resolution framebuffer with uvesafb ? |
| 00:47.19 | themill | I know nothing about uvesafb. |
| 00:47.32 | Clessmo_ | themill: xserver-xorg-video-intel runs only with xwindows |
| 00:47.57 | Clessmo_ | themill: thanks for your help ! cheers ! ;) |
| 00:48.10 | themill | Clessmo_: errr yes... sorry, I thought that's what you were looking for. |
| 00:48.34 | themill | wanders off to bed |
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| 00:53.28 | Agiofws | You can now download an installer and bootloader for getting Debian running on your Android (G1 at the moment) device; |
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| 00:54.25 | yacyac | anyone around |
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| 00:58.53 | amphi | Clessmo_: read uvesafb.txt in the kernel docs, perhaps |
| 00:59.12 | amphi | has a decent ghod-fearing 4:3 panel |
| 00:59.19 | Clessmo_ | amphi: I read it, nothing interesting |
| 00:59.51 | Clessmo_ | amphi: I m looking for on gentoo forums |
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| 01:00.46 | amphi | you have v86d in your initramfs? |
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| 01:06.59 | keith_ | I upgraded nagios3 from 3.0.3 to 3.0.6, in lenny. the main.html file still says "nagios 3.0.3"... is this because I upgraded, or would that be a bug in the package? |
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| 01:07.04 | FendarilU | sorry guys |
| 01:07.06 | FendarilU | :p |
| 01:07.09 | FendarilU | I was bored |
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| 01:08.12 | asdf | omg |
| 01:08.25 | liable | if anything, he is persistent.. |
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| 01:08.49 | asdf | omg i'm so joinin this channel, i'm so curious |
| 01:08.52 | liable | whoever the irc cop was, he has the quicklist kline draw in the west ;) |
| 01:09.23 | H2S04 | hah. |
| 01:10.10 | RDove | irc operator, not irc cop haha |
| 01:10.11 | adama_ | what is -tr ??? Turkish? |
| 01:10.24 | FendarilU | i was k-lined rtwice |
| 01:10.26 | FendarilU | im sorry now |
| 01:10.30 | enouf | still!!!!!! |
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| 01:11.05 | asdf | yeah it appears to be |
| 01:11.15 | enouf | ban the fucken mibbit shit and entire country - fuck it |
| 01:11.28 | H2S04 | enouf, but I love you. |
| 01:11.34 | enouf | i've been gone and come back to see thisn shit? |
| 01:11.54 | H2S04 | enouf, :( |
| 01:12.05 | enouf | H2S04: go see PeterFA in ##linux you turd |
| 01:12.11 | liable | another fun day in #debian. trolls love this place |
| 01:12.15 | nickgaw | When installing build-essential I don't get all of the tools and libraries I will need to compile most software. When I installed module-assistant it did install some other packages is there a way to file this as a bug report or what can I install to get all of the latest versions of all development tools and libs? |
| 01:12.23 | H2S04 | enouf, I have to take a turd but I certainly am not one. |
| 01:12.25 | enouf | !saturday |
| 01:12.25 | dpkg | i guess saturday is Tardsday Eve |
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| 01:12.41 | enouf | H2S04: sorry - didn't mean to call you a "name" |
| 01:12.49 | enouf | i will get banned |
| 01:12.52 | pkrumins | OH NO. |
| 01:12.59 | pkrumins | the cursor does not show in Lenny under vmware |
| 01:13.25 | enouf | H2S04: i know you aren't one - bad timing ;-) |
| 01:13.27 | H2S04 | enouf, haha, and saturday is saturn's day or seaters day. |
| 01:13.30 | pkrumins | i found that it's invisible, if i place it over something somehow the tool tip gets displayed. |
| 01:13.33 | adama_ | pkrumins: u r supposed to install vmware ON lenny, then put windows in there |
| 01:13.40 | H2S04 | enouf, it didn't offend me. |
| 01:13.46 | H2S04 | enouf, turd is pretty tame. |
| 01:13.50 | pkrumins | adama_, huh? |
| 01:13.55 | enouf | this spamming crap reall offends me though |
| 01:13.58 | pkrumins | adama_, oh gotcha. |
| 01:14.02 | enouf | it's worse than email |
| 01:14.07 | H2S04 | enouf, I don't know why it's lasted. |
| 01:14.13 | pkrumins | adama_, doesn't work for me |
| 01:14.13 | H2S04 | gline the SOB. |
| 01:14.37 | enouf | H2S04: can i help you with a debian-related issue? |
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| 01:14.58 | enouf | H2S04: i'm quite good with those issues ;-) depending |
| 01:15.00 | adama_ | pkrumins: shrug.. I dunno, I have windows running inside vmware on debian, no cursor problems |
| 01:15.22 | pkrumins | adama_, but i have the other way around |
| 01:15.39 | pkrumins | adama_, i am running lenny in vmware, not vmware in lenny |
| 01:15.45 | enouf | H2S04: other than that - let's talk, do pr0n :-P |
| 01:15.50 | pkrumins | adama_, and the cursor was there for etch |
| 01:15.51 | H2S04 | enouf, I need to do a full disk backup with no specialized tools except smbfs and access to the windows clients that need their OS part backed up. |
| 01:16.01 | H2S04 | enouf, and... go. |
| 01:16.07 | enouf | H2S04: see backuppc.sf.net |
| 01:16.13 | enouf | is my 1st thought |
| 01:16.15 | H2S04 | enouf, not what I'm looking for. |
| 01:16.16 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 01:16.24 | H2S04 | I said no specialized tools! |
| 01:16.33 | H2S04 | wrote a python script to do it. |
| 01:16.38 | enouf | H2S04: then se grml.org/files |
| 01:16.42 | H2S04 | haha |
| 01:16.45 | enouf | see small version |
| 01:16.51 | enouf | you like small |
| 01:17.01 | enouf | i am big ;-) |
| 01:17.11 | H2S04 | enouf, are you on drugs? |
| 01:17.17 | Chicago | Hello, I am doing a graphical install of lenny with the business card ISO over KVM.... I choose lvm... and it seems to be taking much longer to partition my disks then I expected. How long should it really take to do a 10G lvm partition inside of KVM? |
| 01:17.23 | adama_ | pkrumins: I know, I was just saying, you're doing it wrong. Windows should be contained and restricted... sorry I can't help you, just make bad jokes |
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| 01:18.08 | H2S04 | enouf, you like backup PC better than Amanda? |
| 01:18.14 | peterS | Chicago: should be as fast as any other 10G solution. it might be doing a bad block scan. |
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| 01:18.48 | pip | Hello, how to do a downgrade if a upgrade got messed up (error) ? |
| 01:18.56 | peterS | (not LVM but the filesystems it is creating inside it) |
| 01:18.57 | Chicago | peterS: Is there a keyboard shortcut to take me from the graphical installer where it just says "Partition disks" do the console so I can have some verbose feedback of what's going on? |
| 01:19.16 | peterS | Chicago: I haven't tried it - perhaps just ctrl-alt-f1 or ctrl-alt-f4 or so |
| 01:19.24 | enouf | H2S04: i'd rather use tar and gzip and rsync over others |
| 01:19.33 | adama_ | Chicago: yes, what he said, will work |
| 01:19.42 | Chicago | peterS: Yeah, I tried the ctrl-alt-f1, and it seems that takes me back to VT1 on my main pc. |
| 01:19.55 | nickgaw | I use tar and bzip2 for backup. Is there a better compression method then bzip2? |
| 01:20.00 | pip | well, I mean a upgrade internally rather than dist-upgrade |
| 01:20.02 | enouf | H2S04: you were the one proposing some "limitations" or "requirenments" |
| 01:20.25 | peterS | Chicago: oh ... I don't know anything about KVM tools or how you would switch virtual consoles in KVM |
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| 01:21.28 | adama_ | pip: we need more info, what command gave what error? |
| 01:22.19 | pip | adama_, it's not the fault of a upgrade command I think, just after upgrade, I couldn't enter GUI |
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| 01:22.59 | H2S04 | enouf, rsync is great. |
| 01:23.08 | pip | er.....apt-get upgrade |
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| 01:23.30 | H2S04 | enouf, of course I was I know what my system needs. |
| 01:23.36 | H2S04 | enouf, :P |
| 01:23.40 | enouf | H2S04: thanks for reinforcing already well known knowledge |
| 01:23.42 | ohmygod | adama_, not this time, I mean, after I upgrade,my xorg has wrong, just show a window |
| 01:23.42 | alex___ | i have a machine with two 74gig raptors, and one 500gb hd, what is the optimal way to partition this? |
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| 01:23.55 | enouf | maybe you should submit that to facebook and myspace |
| 01:25.07 | H2S04 | enouf, reinforcement is great! |
| 01:25.21 | H2S04 | drinks his juicy juice |
| 01:25.47 | theholyduck | alex___, whatever way you feel? |
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| 01:26.31 | alex___ | theholyduck: well, im thinking about raiding the 74's and putting all of the system stuff on there, then 500 gigs for a /sapce partition to file server |
| 01:26.54 | ``y7 | alex___, it's still your preference. if you want speed or redundancy, etc |
| 01:26.56 | theholyduck | alex___, but thats MUUUUUCH to large for the system stuff |
| 01:27.06 | theholyduck | 74gb for root and /home? |
| 01:27.23 | theholyduck | madness :p |
| 01:27.34 | alex___ | well, how else can i do it |
| 01:27.37 | adama_ | alex___: put the raptors in raid0 for / and swap, and the 500 for /home |
| 01:27.41 | alex___ | i'll have /space1 and space2 |
| 01:27.59 | theholyduck | adama_, thats even more madness |
| 01:28.05 | alex___ | a bit, ya |
| 01:28.08 | alex___ | I want to do raid1 |
| 01:28.23 | ``y7 | buy another 74gig rapter and do raid5 |
| 01:28.35 | alex___ | ha, not a bad idea |
| 01:28.36 | adama_ | how's this for madness? one raptor for swap, one for /home and the 500 for / |
| 01:28.45 | alex___ | what a waste |
| 01:28.48 | adama_ | heheh |
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| 01:29.14 | \amethyst | do you plan on having databases on this machine? |
| 01:29.20 | alex___ | ya |
| 01:29.24 | \amethyst | how big? |
| 01:29.28 | alex___ | not that large |
| 01:29.32 | alex___ | personal projects |
| 01:29.34 | \amethyst | put /var on one raptor maybe |
| 01:29.58 | alex___ | ya |
| 01:30.01 | ``y7 | basically, figure it out yourself because everybody has a diff input |
| 01:30.27 | alex___ | know of some good reading material so I can make my own decision |
| 01:30.34 | ``y7 | wiki |
| 01:30.51 | alex___ | debians? |
| 01:30.56 | ``y7 | i wouldn't do raid1 though, raid5 gives you an extra hdd, double the capacity and faster speeds |
| 01:31.00 | ``y7 | raid |
| 01:31.17 | Chicago | Does the graphical installer for Lenny, when LVM is chosen, do a sector consistency check by default? |
| 01:31.37 | alex___ | ugh, i dont want to buy another hdd, but maybe it'll be worth it |
| 01:31.39 | theholyduck | Chicago, why would it? |
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| 01:31.57 | theholyduck | Chicago, creating a lvm is just metadata. it doesnt even CARE whats on the disk under it |
| 01:32.09 | theholyduck | same goes for formating for that sake |
| 01:32.10 | ``y7 | the only reason to do raid1 is if your card/mobo can only support a max of 2 drives or if you simply don't have the cash |
| 01:32.14 | ``y7 | raid5 > raid1 |
| 01:32.22 | Chicago | theholyduck: Exactly.... |
| 01:32.26 | alex___ | i know |
| 01:32.30 | alex___ | tonight was my only free night |
| 01:32.36 | theholyduck | Chicago, thus you need to run a fsck or whatever manually to find out |
| 01:32.38 | Chicago | theholyduck: Which is why I am curious how come this takes so long... I'm doing it on top of KVM. |
| 01:32.38 | ``y7 | there is another reason then |
| 01:32.40 | ``y7 | raid1 it is ;) |
| 01:32.47 | alex___ | i can wait |
| 01:33.35 | alex___ | so with raid5, / will go there, and i'll have the 500 gig for /space or whatever |
| 01:34.12 | \amethyst | ``y7: with RAID 1 you can have more than two copies of the data |
| 01:34.20 | alex___ | how |
| 01:34.27 | \amethyst | ``y7: you can do a RAID 1 of 5 disks,for example |
| 01:34.35 | alex___ | oh |
| 01:35.02 | \amethyst | ``y7: which would be really fast, but really wasteful of storage |
| 01:35.25 | alex___ | i feel like that 500g is a waste, i'll never use it |
| 01:35.42 | ``y7 | send it to me? |
| 01:35.49 | alex___ | trade you for another raptor |
| 01:35.51 | \amethyst | alex___: use the unused space for daily snapshopts of home |
| 01:35.57 | ``y7 | neg |
| 01:36.00 | alex___ | not a bad idea |
| 01:36.03 | ``y7 | i have a sitting 74gig raptor too :( |
| 01:36.03 | \amethyst | alex___: and etc and db dumps |
| 01:36.06 | ``y7 | i keep meaning to put it to use |
| 01:36.32 | alex___ | ya, ill grab another raptor |
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| 01:48.09 | alex___ | \amethyst: so now what about raid cards |
| 01:48.23 | simplechat_ | hey, i have a very massive issue atm. i was installing gitosis and it failed and took out python-setuptools |
| 01:48.25 | alex___ | i was thinking about software raiding, but if im gonna bite the bullet and do raid5, might as well do hardware raid |
| 01:48.37 | simplechat_ | now neither will install properly and its killed off a bunch of modules on the website thats running on the server |
| 01:48.39 | \amethyst | there are still advantages to software raid |
| 01:48.48 | simplechat_ | is there any way to correct this? |
| 01:48.57 | \amethyst | but I don't know too much about setting up RAID, sorry :( |
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| 01:51.41 | simplechat_ | sigh |
| 01:51.44 | simplechat_ | managed to fix itself |
| 01:51.45 | simplechat_ | eventually |
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| 01:55.33 | amitz | after changing xorg.conf and gdm.conf in server, I can't vnc to that server. The vncviewer draws a desktop of the usual size but nothing is drawn inside, not even the background of the usual gdmlogin. |
| 01:55.35 | amitz | where to even start debugging? which log? |
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| 01:57.10 | amitz | to be more specific, what is the numbering in gdm log supposed to mean :x.log.x ? |
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| 02:00.56 | \amethyst | amitz: :x is the display number. Each instance of X has a different display---usually you'll only see :0 unless you run two copies of gdm for some reason (including fast-user-switch-applet) |
| 02:01.41 | \amethyst | amitz: .y is put there by logrotate. the files without a .y are the newest logs, then .1 .2 .3 etc are successively older logs |
| 02:02.14 | lunaphyte | how can i make each of 2 network interfaces use a different gateway? |
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| 02:03.10 | JordiGH | Can a package in main recommend a non-free package? |
| 02:03.50 | amitz | \amethyst: I see. I had scanned gdm log and found nothing particular. Which log should I scan to find the failure of gdm launching? Or in another word: what program launches gdm? |
| 02:04.13 | dmoerner | JordiGH: i believe that is bad form; a release goal is to have all recommends be satisfied, which wouldn't be possible with recommends divided between main and non-free |
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| 02:04.36 | JordiGH | dmoerner: I don't care if it's bad form, I just care about the policy... I guess I should read the policy instead of asking the channel. |
| 02:04.46 | \amethyst | amitz: gdm is launced by /etc/init.d/gdm as part of the startup process |
| 02:05.03 | \amethyst | amitz: you can try running /etc/init.d/gdm and see if it gives you a message to stdout |
| 02:05.19 | \amethyst | amitz: err, rather, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 02:06.02 | JordiGH | dmoerner: From reading the policy, I infer that it cannot Recommend a non-free package, but it can Suggest it. |
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| 02:07.09 | Ace2016_- | what the make commend which makes make continue compiling even after errors? |
| 02:07.23 | JordiGH | Ace2016_-: make -f |
| 02:07.57 | amitz | \amethyst: now, normal launching of gdm is flawless. but I think gdm triggered by my vnc doesn't work. Where do you suggest I start looking? |
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| 02:08.34 | amitz | the "server" of vnc is in openbsd-inet ... hmm maybe I should start looking there... |
| 02:08.37 | \amethyst | amitz: wherever vnc puts its logs, I guess. I don't have much experience with VNC unfortunately |
| 02:08.59 | \amethyst | amitz: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages might have something |
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| 02:09.21 | amitz | \amethyst: hmm thanks anyway :-) |
| 02:10.33 | infinity1 | anyone know of a tool that can load test an apache web server and crawl the site? |
| 02:11.09 | JordiGH | infinity1: wget? |
| 02:11.16 | JordiGH | infinity1: curl? |
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| 02:11.26 | Chicago | infinity1: host TGP for thehun... |
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| 02:11.45 | infinity1 | JordiGH: i can curl crawl? |
| 02:11.49 | infinity1 | er s/i// |
| 02:11.58 | infinity1 | Chicago: huh? |
| 02:12.02 | Ace2016_- | JordiGH: thanks that gave me the help dialogue and i found make -k |
| 02:12.06 | amitz | \amethyst: hmm none in those 2 |
| 02:12.16 | Ace2016_- | why didn't i think to run --help o_O |
| 02:12.31 | JordiGH | Ace2016_-: sorry, I thought it was -f for some reason... that's for file. |
| 02:12.37 | infinity1 | JordiGH: oh yea, wget crawls. but it doesn't act much like a user or give feedback |
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| 02:12.41 | Chicago | infinity1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumbnail_gallery_post |
| 02:13.03 | JordiGH | infinity1: I think that curl also crawls... wget does, and I sometimes use it to download an entire website (usually, online books). |
| 02:13.40 | infinity1 | JordiGH: yea. i was hoping something more speicic for load testing. but you're right. i didn't even think of wget |
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| 02:13.58 | JordiGH | infinity1: I'm also pretty sure that you can customize wget to act like a person by timing how long it takes it to crawl or spoofing the UA string. |
| 02:13.58 | christoz | greetings, i've never experienced with python development, so i came here hoping to find someone wh knows python to solve a little problem with a screenlet written in python, this screenlet called sysmonitor and shows various info about monitorng my debian system, the only info that does not give is the ip one. here is the source code of the SysmonitorScreenlet.py , http://www.pastebin.ca/1309681 . probably there is smth with the method related with |
| 02:13.58 | christoz | ip , but as i said i don't know python at all, i need a hand with this thanks . |
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| 02:14.25 | JordiGH | christoz: #python |
| 02:14.41 | Ace2016_- | np |
| 02:14.44 | christoz | JordiGH, they ignore me |
| 02:14.46 | christoz | :P |
| 02:14.53 | JordiGH | christoz: ask nicer. |
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| 02:15.49 | JordiGH | christoz: Also, prefer rafb.net, it can do Python. |
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| 02:18.43 | amitz | \amethyst: it works after I restart gdm... but I don't know why.. I hope it's not a repeating problem |
| 02:18.49 | JordiGH | christoz: Better, no? http://rafb.net/p/fA2I0W96.html |
| 02:19.27 | christoz | thanks JordiGH |
| 02:20.14 | pkrumins | is there a way to install older kernel like 2.6.24 on debian lenny from packages? |
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| 02:20.27 | JordiGH | pkrumins: Try the archive. |
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| 02:20.30 | JordiGH | !archive |
| 02:20.30 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 02:20.56 | JordiGH | christoz: Huh, looks like the quoting confused the rafb parser. :-/ |
| 02:21.07 | pkrumins | trying! |
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| 02:21.24 | DawnofHorizon | IMA SWASTICA!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YALL PUSSIES!!!!!!!!! å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å... |
| 02:21.24 | JordiGH | christoz: No, you really did mess up. You have four quotes where you should have three. |
| 02:21.25 | DawnofHorizon | ...å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å... |
| 02:21.27 | DawnofHorizon | ...å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA... |
| 02:21.29 | DawnofHorizon | ...NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å... |
| 02:21.33 | DawnofHorizon | ...å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA... |
| 02:21.35 | JordiGH | !ops DanDare |
| 02:21.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jordigh complains about: DanDare |
| 02:21.38 | DawnofHorizon | ...NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å åå å å... |
| 02:21.49 | liable | wrong nick |
| 02:21.52 | JordiGH | Sorry, DanDare. |
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| 02:22.10 | DanDare | np |
| 02:22.20 | liable | !ops DawnofHorizon needs a ban |
| 02:22.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: DawnofHorizon needs a ban |
| 02:22.22 | simonrvn | wonderful ... |
| 02:22.30 | newsense | nice |
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| 02:22.37 | DawnofHorizon | IMA SWASTICA!!!!!!!!!!! FUCK YALL PUSSIES!!!!!!!!! å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å... |
| 02:22.38 | DawnofHorizon | ...å åå å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å å åå å å å å å å IMA NAZI BOMB LOLOLOLOL ROFL ROFL ROFL å å å å... |
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| 02:22.42 | simonrvn | oh thank you mentor |
| 02:22.52 | Tidus | that was making my irssi go nuts... |
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| 02:23.09 | simonrvn | clears the screen... |
| 02:23.16 | liable | seems they are out in force today |
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| 02:23.32 | mentor | Where those supposed to be escape sequences? |
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| 02:23.46 | \amethyst | mentor: unicode swastikas |
| 02:23.46 | newsense | yeah i think so |
| 02:23.47 | Tidus | i'm not sure... all i know is irssi went bonkers tryin to draw it |
| 02:23.51 | liable | dunno, they came out as squares on my box |
| 02:23.53 | JordiGH | mentor: UTF-8 swastikas. |
| 02:23.54 | \amethyst | mentor: U+5350 CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5350 |
| 02:23.56 | simonrvn | no, the nazi version of the swastika, but they used the hindu one instead o_O |
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| 02:24.04 | simonrvn | dumbasses |
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| 02:24.18 | \amethyst | Chinese Buddhist |
| 02:24.18 | christoz | JordiGH, this is not my code it's copied directly from usr/share/screenlets |
| 02:24.33 | JordiGH | christoz: In that case, we just found a bug. ;-) |
| 02:24.37 | mentor | Specifically a Swastika, or a bent cross? |
| 02:25.04 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, they have one too, we also have one. they're all representations of the sun, but of course as per their wont, the nazis corrupted it. |
| 02:25.06 | christoz | so what do you suggest? |
| 02:25.20 | JordiGH | christoz: Take it to #python, be nice and friendly and patient with them. |
| 02:25.38 | DanDare | yeah, symbol exists before nazism |
| 02:25.39 | fildo | how can i check glxinfo |
| 02:25.49 | JordiGH | fildo: You need mesa-utils |
| 02:25.53 | fildo | k thnx |
| 02:26.04 | pkrumins | Hmm, why can't i find kernel 2.6.18 in http://snapshot.debian.net/? |
| 02:26.13 | \amethyst | mentor: swastika, but an upright one, not the 45-degree Nazi hooked cross |
| 02:26.29 | fildo | yay |
| 02:26.36 | fildo | cheer JordiGH |
| 02:26.39 | Tidus | \amethyst: the Nazi one is also mirrored |
| 02:26.43 | christoz | JordiGH, maybe i was seemed impolite to them (poor english ?i don't know) Actually asomeone answered me that we are not here to write your code, that was rude too |
| 02:26.44 | christoz | :P |
| 02:26.49 | mentor | There's a CND symbol in there too |
| 02:27.02 | JordiGH | christoz: Neither are we. ;-) |
| 02:27.36 | \amethyst | Tidus: the character they were using should have been the one pointing clockwise |
| 02:27.46 | simonrvn | meant "native americans" when he said 'we' |
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| 02:27.57 | Tidus | \amethyst: came out as a bunch of gibberish to me |
| 02:28.00 | \amethyst | Tidus: but I guess that could depend on your font---the Unicode tables don't specify |
| 02:28.07 | Tidus | i didn't know what they were drawing |
| 02:28.17 | pkrumins | anyone? |
| 02:28.51 | \amethyst | Tidus: ah. they used the Hanzi swastika (there are two) that points in the same way as the Nazi one |
| 02:28.57 | JordiGH | !offtopic |
| 02:28.58 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 02:29.02 | JordiGH | Enough with swastikaks. |
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| 02:31.16 | simonrvn | *kaks? heh |
| 02:31.27 | JordiGH | yeah, yeah... |
| 02:31.34 | simonrvn | *g* |
| 02:31.44 | simonrvn | common typo :) |
| 02:32.30 | pkrumins | how do i install a .deb file? |
| 02:32.38 | simonrvn | with dpkg |
| 02:32.40 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 02:32.43 | pkrumins | ok! |
| 02:32.43 | JordiGH | Man, this Ubuntu problem of attaching SOLVED at the end of a thread when in fact the thing wasn't solved at all... |
| 02:32.51 | simonrvn | tell me about enter ;p |
| 02:33.05 | JordiGH | They do it in the d-user too. :-/ |
| 02:33.13 | simonrvn | JordiGH: yeh |
| 02:33.26 | pkrumins | dpkg -i ./file.deb? |
| 02:33.26 | dpkg | removes a lung from pkrumins and replaces it with ./file.deb |
| 02:33.37 | JordiGH | pkrumins: Exactly. |
| 02:33.41 | pkrumins | nice. |
| 02:33.44 | JordiGH | pkrumins: You don't need ./ |
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| 02:33.57 | pkrumins | right. |
| 02:34.06 | pkrumins | just used to prefix files in current dir with ./ |
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| 02:34.39 | JordiGH | I put the current dir in the PATH, although everyone here is gonna yell at me for that. |
| 02:34.47 | simonrvn | you only really need ./ when you're executing an executable not on your path and in .; also sometimes in zsh when you want to complete in $pwd. other cases exist. |
| 02:34.59 | simonrvn | !yell at JordiGH |
| 02:35.02 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 02:35.30 | JordiGH | I live on the edge, baby. I'm XXXtreme. I flirt with danger. That's how I roll. |
| 02:35.40 | simonrvn | WHY IS IT SO COLD?! |
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| 02:36.28 | pickcoder | simonrvn: 20F tonight here and 34F high tomorrow.. at the beach! |
| 02:36.53 | simonrvn | i don't do F sorry |
| 02:37.15 | simonrvn | !20 * 5/9 - 32 |
| 02:37.15 | dpkg | -20.888888888889 |
| 02:37.17 | JordiGH | About -5 and 1... |
| 02:37.28 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 02:37.33 | pickcoder | -7 and 1 |
| 02:37.39 | simonrvn | !20 * 9/5 - 32 |
| 02:37.39 | dpkg | 4 |
| 02:37.52 | simonrvn | whatever :( |
| 02:38.04 | JordiGH | !(20-32)*5/9 |
| 02:38.04 | dpkg | -6.666666666667 |
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| 02:38.16 | JordiGH | satanic temperature :D |
| 02:38.29 | simonrvn | oh, you do the subtraction first, ok |
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| 02:39.04 | JordiGH | simonrvn, you're particularly offtopic today |
| 02:39.29 | simonrvn | hides |
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| 02:39.48 | \amethyst | pickcoder: eastern NA seaboard, maybe N Carolina? |
| 02:40.02 | pickcoder | wilmington specifically |
| 02:40.27 | JordiGH | Is there a way in Debian Firepony to prevent any form elements from being styled? What CSS do I have to sleep with to accomplish this? |
| 02:41.00 | JordiGH | I don't want text boxes, buttons, radio buttons, checkboxes, drop-down lists, nothing to obey any kind of CSS but to all look like Gnome. |
| 02:42.11 | theholyduck | JordiGH, isnt there a css override function? |
| 02:42.16 | theholyduck | opera has it atleast |
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| 02:43.27 | JordiGH | theholyduck: Yeah, there are various ways to override CSS in Turbofish... too many, in fact. I don't want to do it with system files, because I don't want to have to go through the hassle of preventing them from being overwritten when I update Moonbeaver. |
| 02:43.56 | JordiGH | theholyduck: I can tell Lightningmantis to not obey any colours at all, but then everything becomes too monochromatic. |
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| 02:44.49 | craigevil-eee | JordiGH: view>page style>none perhaps |
| 02:44.51 | simonrvn | userContext.css i think is the file name, found in your firepony profile |
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| 02:45.08 | \amethyst | JordiGH: !important rules in chrome/userContent.css |
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| 02:45.25 | simonrvn | ah Content =) |
| 02:46.16 | \amethyst | there is some info at http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html |
| 02:46.33 | JordiGH | \amethyst: What should those rules say so that they inherit the Gtk+ theme? |
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| 02:46.41 | \amethyst | JordiGH: no clue :( |
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| 02:47.08 | JordiGH | I wonder what's a good place to ask... |
| 02:47.29 | Schiz0|SD | Hey. How can I view the changelog of a package? For some reason, when I use "C" in aptitude to view the changelog, it says the file was not found (only for this specific package - not all of them) |
| 02:47.43 | JordiGH | Schiz0|SD: Ran aptitude update? |
| 02:47.46 | Schiz0|SD | I want to see hte updates for the latest package of mysql-server-5.0 in etch |
| 02:47.48 | Schiz0|SD | Yeah, I did |
| 02:47.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: perhaps #firefox (or #firefox on irc.mozilla.org) |
| 02:48.00 | Schiz0|SD | it's not on security.deb.org |
| 02:48.33 | Schiz0|SD | it's the upgrade from 5.0.51a-20 to 5.0.51a-21 that the changelog doesn't seem to exist for :-\ |
| 02:48.36 | Schiz0|SD | on lenny |
| 02:48.39 | Schiz0|SD | not etch, sorry |
| 02:49.33 | JordiGH | \amethyst: I'll try irc.mozilla.org |
| 02:51.02 | stoned | its a great place |
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| 02:52.22 | christoz | JordiGH, well seems that this is not the day for me :P |
| 02:52.29 | christoz | i'll try tomorrow |
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| 02:53.34 | JordiGH | christoz: sorry |
| 02:53.54 | \amethyst | Schiz0|SD: sounds like the changelog hasn't made it onto packages.debian.org yet |
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| 02:54.48 | \amethyst | Schiz0|SD: you can look for it in the diff.gz: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/mysql-dfsg-5.0_5.0.51a-21.diff.gz |
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| 02:55.07 | Schiz0|SD | \amethyst: eh? the package has been available for like a week now, haha. Ok, I'll check in there. Thanks a lot |
| 02:55.26 | \amethyst | Schiz0|SD: the changes are: 1. ask for mysql root password at high priority, and 2. do not fail checking tables when using sql-mode ansi-quotes |
| 02:55.56 | \amethyst | Schiz0|SD: closes: #507049 and #510875 |
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| 02:57.24 | \amethyst | # A=$RANDOM && echo $A; A=$RANDOM && echo $A |
| 02:57.28 | \amethyst | oop |
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| 02:57.49 | Schiz0|SD | thanks \amethyst |
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| 03:05.52 | superjoe30 | so check this: I finish installing debian on my dad's brand new computer that I built for him |
| 03:05.57 | superjoe30 | first thing that happens is video mode not supported |
| 03:06.02 | superjoe30 | so I ctrl+alt+f1 and tell him to log in as root for me, and it rejects the root password |
| 03:06.12 | superjoe30 | he swears that he is typing it correct, the same as he did in the installation |
| 03:06.17 | superjoe30 | and his normal user login doesn't work either |
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| 03:06.47 | superjoe30 | he'll probably use a PC for the rest of his life |
| 03:10.11 | DanDare | superjoe30 http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/54418-howto-recover-root-user-password.html |
| 03:10.54 | superjoe30 | DanDare: single user mode still asks for root password |
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| 03:11.27 | simonrvn | !i forgot my root password |
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| 03:11.33 | simonrvn | !i forgot root password |
| 03:11.38 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:11.44 | simonrvn | !ifrp |
| 03:11.44 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 03:11.50 | simonrvn | superjoe: ^^^ |
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| 03:17.51 | solid_liq | Is there a package with basic template files that I can use to create my own .deb package? |
| 03:18.39 | solid_liq | like, for the control file, etc |
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| 03:22.00 | Ace2016_- | solid_liq: checkinstall? |
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| 03:22.43 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: that doesn't sound like what I want |
| 03:23.02 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: oh wait, maybe it is heheh |
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| 03:23.14 | JordiGH | Is there a console browser that can do UTF-8? elinks fails rather spectacularly (although I must admit that it does a pretty good job of transliterating Cyrillic). |
| 03:23.24 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: thanks :D |
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| 03:24.10 | NTFS | Debian sucks thats the bottom line because NTFS said SO |
| 03:24.37 | JordiGH | Good, so we don't have to argue about it. |
| 03:24.40 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: will that allow me to use the .deb package on another system though? |
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| 03:25.12 | superjoe | is there a tool to run to get my xorg.conf to have valid settings? |
| 03:25.19 | Ace2016_- | solid_liq: only if you can get the dependencies installed on the other system, checkinstall doesn't seem to add them to the deb |
| 03:25.24 | superjoe | one that doesn't make my screen say invalid resolution |
| 03:25.35 | JordiGH | superjoe: Is there anything in your xorg.conf? Try deleting it. |
| 03:25.44 | Ace2016_- | superjoe: as root run X -configure, it will generate an xorg.conf for you |
| 03:26.15 | Ace2016_- | superjoe: also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:26.42 | Ace2016_- | not sure what dpkg-reconfigure does but it does something, i think its the keyboard layout |
| 03:26.43 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: the --requires option for it doesn't work? |
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| 03:28.30 | Ace2016_- | --requires? whats that? |
| 03:28.32 | superjoe | Ace2016_-: running X -configure makes my monitor display "cannot display this video mode. optimum resolution: 1280x1024 60hz" |
| 03:28.59 | Ace2016_- | oh |
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| 03:30.48 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: k, I'll try it then :) |
| 03:30.50 | Ace2016_- | solid_liq: ok i saw requires in the man page, i've only used the config options given when it generates the package |
| 03:31.07 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: k |
| 03:31.28 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: Want me to let it know if it worked for me, after I try using all these arguments to it? |
| 03:31.35 | solid_liq | *let you know |
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| 03:31.42 | Ace2016_- | ok, that'll be nice thanks |
| 03:31.46 | solid_liq | np |
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| 03:32.30 | Ace2016_- | superjoe: whats the actual resolution you want? |
| 03:32.41 | k-man_ | can you hide lines that match a regex in less? |
| 03:33.00 | superjoe | Ace2016_-: I got it by adding defaultdepth and subsection to my xorg.conf |
| 03:33.04 | stew | k-man_: whatever | grep -v pattern | less |
| 03:33.04 | jtier | hey guys, I am looking for somebody to help me migrate qmail from one server to another, I am willing to pay on paypal |
| 03:33.05 | superjoe | with the resolution I wanted |
| 03:33.40 | k-man_ | stew, i was looking for a more interactive approach - like for when you are looking at log files and you want to ignore some lines |
| 03:34.08 | stew | jtier: try #qmail |
| 03:34.16 | Ace2016_- | jtier: i think you should read up on it and learn to do it yourself |
| 03:34.45 | LopLiii | Its easy enough jtier |
| 03:34.53 | jtier | well i am very good at postfix, people need to access their email right now: ( |
| 03:35.01 | jtier | i have no clue how to migrate qmail |
| 03:35.08 | jtier | not to mention they were using vpopmail |
| 03:35.11 | Ace2016_- | jtier: look what google search found me http://iain.cx/qmail/articles/migrating.html |
| 03:35.24 | jtier | and squirrelmail |
| 03:35.31 | jtier | i never even heard of squirrelmail |
| 03:36.37 | Gm4n | squirrelmail is great :) |
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| 03:37.36 | jtier | Gm4n: no google mail is great :) |
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| 03:38.00 | Gm4n | google mail comes with a price |
| 03:38.03 | Gm4n | squirrelmail doesn't ;) |
| 03:38.16 | jtier | free version man, 7 gig storage |
| 03:38.24 | jtier | don't have to worry about spam |
| 03:38.38 | Gm4n | free as in beer, sure |
| 03:39.12 | Gm4n | (I do have a gmail account myself) |
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| 03:39.19 | jtier | :) have you ever setup squirrelmail beofre ? |
| 03:39.26 | Gm4n | a few times |
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| 03:39.53 | jtier | so i need to install qmail first ? |
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| 03:40.03 | Gm4n | you must install some imap server first |
| 03:40.21 | Gm4n | qmail is an MTA |
| 03:40.22 | Xenguy | postfix? |
| 03:40.43 | jtier | well all the email is in folder, vpopmail |
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| 03:40.58 | Gm4n | you're setting up squirrelmail to work over pop? |
| 03:41.03 | Gm4n | imap is much better, IMO |
| 03:41.15 | jtier | i don't know what I am doing :) |
| 03:41.17 | Brack10 | I'm trying to make a hold music server. The idea is to have one process play audio files randomly from the "music" directory and then at a set interval, reduce the volume and launch another process to play audio files from the "announcements" directory on top of the process playing from the "music" directory. Is this possible, and if so what could I use to accomplish this? |
| 03:41.26 | jtier | but thats where all the old email is |
| 03:41.35 | pickcoder | squirrelmail is a horrible IMAP client |
| 03:41.36 | jtier | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.44 | pickcoder | so I can't imagine how horrible it is with POP3 |
| 03:42.06 | LopLiii | its a squirrel right, |
| 03:42.23 | LopLiii | no surprise ... :)) |
| 03:42.26 | jtier | so should I install Dovecot then ? |
| 03:42.27 | Gm4n | jtier: you're trying to move mail from the old server to the new server, correct? |
| 03:42.33 | jtier | yes |
| 03:42.37 | Gm4n | then set it up for external access via squirrelmail only? |
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| 03:43.21 | pickcoder | roundcube is much nicer but it's not packaged |
| 03:43.40 | jtier | Gm4n: how ? :) |
| 03:43.49 | ryanhaigh1 | hi all, just moved my ~/ to a new partition and everything is working EXCEPT for my trash, the icon on the desktop shows empty trash, opening it in nautilus (using gnome btw) shows it as empty, browsing to ~/.local/share/Trash/files shows all my trash. anyone have any ideas what could be going on, im guessing this is a nautilus issue? |
| 03:43.49 | Gm4n | I was asking if that's what you wanted to do ;) |
| 03:43.51 | jtier | i am telling you , all the email is in vpopmail folder |
| 03:43.56 | Gm4n | yes, I understand that |
| 03:44.02 | Gm4n | I don't understand what you want to do |
| 03:44.15 | jtier | all i want , is that few people can download their old email |
| 03:44.34 | Gm4n | download how |
| 03:44.47 | jtier | imap |
| 03:44.49 | Gm4n | via pop, imap, view via squirrelmail, ? |
| 03:44.52 | Gm4n | ok |
| 03:46.25 | Gm4n | there's also a server migration going on? |
| 03:47.00 | jtier | no, everybody is moved to google mail, it's all done |
| 03:47.16 | jtier | i just want the easiest way so people can access their old email |
| 03:47.26 | Gm4n | oh, ok |
| 03:47.32 | Gm4n | I misunderstood the problem |
| 03:47.48 | Gm4n | how did they access it previously? |
| 03:48.02 | Gm4n | (and for this, pop is probably just fine) |
| 03:48.07 | jtier | squirrelmail :) your favorite |
| 03:48.17 | Gm4n | haha |
| 03:48.18 | Gm4n | ok |
| 03:48.32 | Gm4n | and squirrelmail was configured to access mail via pop? |
| 03:48.43 | Ace2016_- | solid_liq: i'm using checkinstall now but --requires doesn't seem to accept packagename=version and brackets are also not accepted so i cannot use packagename(=version) |
| 03:48.57 | jtier | i just took over the job, don't know how it was configured before |
| 03:49.08 | Gm4n | ah, I know that position |
| 03:49.21 | jtier | but i see all the user directories under vpopmail directory |
| 03:49.21 | Gm4n | except when I took over, the majority was in windows. Major headace, that |
| 03:49.33 | Melik | the "top" command doesnt work anymore, how can i get it back? |
| 03:49.34 | Gm4n | you sure the mail is stored in those directories, not in the user's home folders? |
| 03:49.41 | Gm4n | Melik: doesn't work how? |
| 03:49.53 | Melik | melik@server1:~$ top |
| 03:49.53 | Melik | melik@server1:~$ |
| 03:50.02 | jtier | yes not in home directory |
| 03:50.04 | Gm4n | that's... odd |
| 03:50.09 | pickcoder | jtier: you will need to understand the mail storage format before anything other than the previous mail server will read it correctly |
| 03:50.12 | Melik | is it located in /bin/ |
| 03:50.22 | Melik | if yes, then i lost the file in /bin/ |
| 03:50.30 | Gm4n | Melik: which top |
| 03:50.31 | pickcoder | if it's standard maildir then you can use dovecot-imap |
| 03:50.31 | jtier | Melik: ps -aux | grep top |
| 03:50.31 | LopLiii | if you dont alter settings |
| 03:50.51 | Gm4n | pickcoder: he said it's not in the user's home directories, so probably not? |
| 03:50.57 | pickcoder | not necc |
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| 03:51.07 | Melik | Gm4n, the top that shows the process list |
| 03:51.11 | Ace2016_- | Melik: is the package procps installed? |
| 03:51.16 | Gm4n | Melik: that's a command ;) |
| 03:51.24 | Gm4n | Ace2016_-: then wouldn't it say "command not found"? |
| 03:51.29 | Melik | yes it is |
| 03:51.47 | Gm4n | Melik: I mean "which" is a command, and "which top" will tell you where top is located |
| 03:51.54 | Ace2016_- | well doesn't work anymore is a bit vague |
| 03:52.20 | Gm4n | I suppose so, but it looked from pasted output that it just did nothing |
| 03:52.21 | jtier | i see a folder called courierimapsubscribed |
| 03:52.29 | Gm4n | where? |
| 03:52.30 | Melik | server1:/usr/bin# which top |
| 03:52.30 | Melik | /usr/bin/top |
| 03:52.46 | Melik | the man pages still work :/ |
| 03:52.47 | jtier | under Maildir |
| 03:53.00 | jtier | for each user |
| 03:53.02 | Gm4n | hmm, and you're sure imap isn't already available? |
| 03:53.02 | lkthomas | guys, can I rollback LVM snapshot on root file system ? |
| 03:53.15 | Ace2016_- | Melik: killall -9 top |
| 03:53.26 | Ace2016_- | just to see if its running somewhere |
| 03:53.27 | Gm4n | jtier telnet 127.0.0.1 imap |
| 03:53.35 | Melik | server1:/usr/bin# killall -9 top |
| 03:53.41 | jtier | i set this from scratch |
| 03:53.42 | jtier | i am sure |
| 03:53.47 | Melik | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.50 | jtier | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 03:54.01 | Gm4n | ok, scratch that |
| 03:54.21 | Melik | Ace2016_-, how do i remount proc? |
| 03:54.24 | pickcoder | jtier: netstat -an | grep :143 |
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| 03:54.41 | jtier | nada |
| 03:54.58 | stew | Melik: "mount /proc" |
| 03:55.04 | jtier | should i install one then ? |
| 03:55.23 | pickcoder | dpkg -l | grep courier |
| 03:55.23 | dpkg | ii | grep courier 2.8-3.3 pickcoder's private stamp collection |
| 03:55.25 | Melik | server1:/# mount /proc |
| 03:55.25 | Melik | mount: can't find /proc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 03:55.29 | Gm4n | first we need to figure out how the mail is stored and where |
| 03:55.50 | pickcoder | jtier: ^^ |
| 03:55.59 | Ace2016_- | you should have this in fstab: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 03:56.10 | stew | Melik: add "proc /proc proc defaults 0 0" to /etc/fsatb |
| 03:56.32 | stew | Melik: or you can mount it with "mount -t proc none /proc" |
| 03:56.39 | Ace2016_- | but how did it stop being in fstab? |
| 03:57.08 | Ace2016_- | is fstab empty? is the filesystem ok? |
| 03:57.18 | Melik | ok thanks guys |
| 03:57.20 | Melik | :) |
| 03:57.21 | Melik | it works now |
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| 03:57.32 | jtier | maiil is stored /mnt/storage/vpopmail/domains/moguldom.com/jmoore |
| 03:57.39 | Ace2016_- | Melik: is yours fstab ok? |
| 03:57.57 | Melik | yes now it is |
| 03:57.57 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: checkinstall isn't perfect, but it did a decent job, and gave me a nice base to work from. :D |
| 03:58.10 | jtier | these are the folders under each directory 1231288944.qw courierimapkeywords courierimapsubscribed courierimapuiddb cur new quotawarn tmp |
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| 03:58.46 | Melik | btw can anyone tell me what the /proc folder is exactly? |
| 03:58.56 | Ace2016_- | solid_liq: did you specify a version of with --requires? |
| 03:59.01 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: my solution to that issue was to create the package, then unpack it with ar -x and modify what's there. After that, you can repack it |
| 03:59.08 | LopLiii | it is a process folder |
| 03:59.15 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: nah, just edited the files it created |
| 03:59.32 | jtier | so I didn't copy the right direcotry ? |
| 03:59.43 | jtier | i don't even have access to older server anymoe |
| 03:59.44 | jtier | more |
| 03:59.51 | Ace2016_- | solid_liq: i was thinking of that but surely theres a more elegant way to do it in checkinstall, you wouldn't add dependencies and just leave the version out |
| 04:00.19 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: I did specify deps like depname ( >=2.6.1-1 ) |
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| 04:00.32 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: which seemed to be okay (in the interactive part of it) |
| 04:00.48 | Ace2016_- | oh, i tried it in the terminal |
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| 04:01.51 | solid_liq | Ace2016_-: it wasn't smart about storing a default config file (tho it is named configrc.sample to be fair) |
| 04:04.08 | jtier | guys i think i am SOS , i copied the wrong directory |
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| 04:05.36 | Melik | do i need a firewall for a debian server? |
| 04:08.03 | Samak | iptable? |
| 04:08.03 | LopLiii | Yup. |
| 04:08.12 | jtier | i found a folder called courierimapuiddb |
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| 04:08.46 | Melik | Samak, i installed iptables.. is there any configuration needed for it? |
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| 04:10.41 | Samak | yeah |
| 04:10.45 | Samak | you can ask google |
| 04:10.53 | Samak | sorry i don know how to set iptable |
| 04:11.03 | Samak | ipcop is the software firewall |
| 04:11.04 | Samak | :D |
| 04:11.06 | Samak | it is abit nice |
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| 04:14.52 | newsense | Melik, http://danieldegraaf.afraid.org/info/iptables/examples theres some nice iptables config files |
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| 04:21.44 | Kobaz | any idea why i wouldn't be able to write to an nfs mount that's rw and no_root_squash on the server? |
| 04:21.49 | Kobaz | here's my export: /home walnut.home(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay,no_subtree_check,uuid=5045ec5a:33ea4241:8813a9c4:f283c38e) |
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| 04:22.04 | Kobaz | touch: cannot touch `a': Permission denied |
| 04:22.10 | Kobaz | even as root |
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| 04:23.02 | Trinity | i cant seem to to get a taskbar in kde :(,can somebody help me ?? |
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| 04:24.34 | nsadmin | Kobaz what did you do last on the server? |
| 04:25.26 | force | hi, is anyone here familiar with the process of migration from an IC radius implementation to a freeradius implementation? |
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| 04:26.23 | nsadmin | edit a config? |
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| 04:27.03 | Kobaz | nsadmin: the last thing i did was echo 1 to /proc/sys/sunrpc/nfsd_debug to see what's doing, but i'm not getting anything |
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| 04:27.16 | nsadmin | ok |
| 04:27.27 | Kobaz | nsadmin: oh, i've never been able to write to it, i just figured i would finnaly fix it |
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| 04:27.57 | nsadmin | how did you try to fix it? |
| 04:28.13 | Kobaz | i turned on /proc/sys/sunrpc/nfs_debug on the client, nothing seems to be throwing errors |
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| 04:28.41 | Kobaz | well i haven't tried to fix it yet since the configuration is correct, not sure what else to do |
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| 04:29.39 | nsadmin | probably the daemons have been restarted since you put the norootsquish thing |
| 04:30.38 | Kobaz | well yeah, they've been started a number of times... i do reboot occasionally |
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| 04:31.35 | Kobaz | the export i pasted is from /proc/fs/nfsd/exports |
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| 04:31.41 | nsadmin | could you show the line in exports that applies to this? |
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| 04:32.10 | Kobaz | /home walnut.home(rw,no_root_squash,sync,wdelay,no_subtree_check,uuid=5045ec5a:33ea4241:8813a9c4:f283c38e) |
| 04:32.14 | nsadmin | oh you pastebinned it already? |
| 04:32.38 | Kobaz | that's straight from proc, so it's the config that nfsd is using |
| 04:33.42 | nsadmin | ok, and walnut.home is? |
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| 04:34.17 | Kobaz | the client |
| 04:34.29 | nsadmin | how is the name served? |
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| 04:35.21 | Kobaz | local dns |
| 04:35.35 | nsadmin | ok, could you check the forward and reverse? |
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| 04:36.47 | Kobaz | yeah that's all fine |
| 04:36.59 | Kobaz | if dns wasn't working right then it wouldn't mount at all |
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| 04:37.21 | nsadmin | I'm at a loss... looks like you're doing everything right |
| 04:37.26 | Kobaz | yeah, heh |
| 04:37.31 | Kobaz | it's permissions related somehow |
| 04:37.49 | nsadmin | maybe it's actual file permissions on the server |
| 04:38.16 | Kobaz | but it will deny everything even root |
| 04:38.57 | nsadmin | can you watch the server logs while you try to do access it lets you and access it doesn't let you? |
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| 04:39.27 | nsadmin | accesses |
| 04:40.38 | Kobaz | yeah it's spitting out nothing for debug |
| 04:40.40 | nsadmin | also is there a way to tell the server to log more verbosely? |
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| 04:40.52 | nsadmin | but that's the client isn't it? |
| 04:40.55 | Kobaz | not that i know of, other than the debug entries in proc |
| 04:41.13 | Kobaz | debugging works on the client, but debugging doesn't show anything on the server |
| 04:42.19 | nsadmin | there's not an access log? maybe you'll find something in /var/log/daemon.log and in /var/log/auth.log |
| 04:42.30 | nsadmin | of the server |
| 04:43.39 | Kobaz | oh |
| 04:43.40 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 04:43.48 | Kobaz | well i did something just for the heck of it |
| 04:43.52 | Kobaz | i upgraded nfs-common |
| 04:43.55 | Kobaz | and now it works |
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| 04:44.00 | nsadmin | heh :) |
| 04:44.02 | nsadmin | cool |
| 04:44.03 | lostjournal | Question: I have limited USB bandwidth that is being used by copying files; is there a way to give priority to vlc so that I can stream from the same USB drive without getting very poor performance? |
| 04:44.08 | Kobaz | so umm |
| 04:44.12 | Kobaz | haha, i have no idea |
| 04:44.25 | Kobaz | i always have problems with nfs |
| 04:44.41 | nsadmin | gawd, nfs is like that |
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| 04:45.20 | Kobaz | there had to be something weird... i mean like, every other client has the same config |
| 04:45.24 | Kobaz | and write workes fine |
| 04:45.25 | Kobaz | anyways |
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| 04:45.27 | Kobaz | thanks :) |
| 04:45.52 | Lifeform | hi.. |
| 04:45.56 | Lifeform | I have a quick question: What user do I have to be logged in with to use the "mysql"-commando ? Ref. [root@web ~]# mysql ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 04:46.05 | nsadmin | I didnt do nuthin :) but... you're welcome and glad it worked out |
| 04:46.28 | \amethyst | lostjournal: maybe ionice |
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| 04:47.56 | nsadmin | Lifeform: maybe there is a group you would belong to, or maybe a user called mysql |
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| 04:49.14 | Lifeform | Hmm I am a newbie on this... but I´ve created different users for the different MySQLs. Though I had hoped that I was possible to export ALL my DBs in one big operation |
| 04:49.31 | \amethyst | lostjournal: if you have root, you could either put vlc into the real-time I/O scheduling class or put the copy into the idle class |
| 04:50.01 | Tramp | Lifeform: mysql has its own access-control system. You specify the user with -u and (may) specify the password with -p on the cmdline. |
| 04:50.06 | \amethyst | lostjournal: if you don't have root access, you can only use best-effort, but you could give vlc priority 0 and the copy priority 7 |
| 04:50.16 | lostjournal | \amethyst: I have root and ionice sounds like it would work, let me try |
| 04:50.59 | Lifeform | ok |
| 04:51.21 | Lifeform | like this? ===> mysqldump -u root -p --all-databases > all_dbs.sql |
| 04:52.00 | Lifeform | "mysqldump: Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) when trying to connect" |
| 04:52.05 | Tramp | Lifeform: yes, this should work. Then you will be asked for the mysql password of the user root |
| 04:52.13 | Tramp | Lifeform: then you forgot the password. |
| 04:52.18 | \amethyst | lostjournal: actually, I guess you don't want to make the copy "idle", because then it probably won't get any cycles while vlc is using the device |
| 04:52.29 | Tramp | !tell Lifeform about forgot mysql root password |
| 04:52.30 | Lifeform | same mesage...! |
| 04:52.38 | Lifeform | i haven´t :p |
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| 04:52.54 | Lifeform | I just logged in with that one |
| 04:53.12 | Tramp | Lifeform: no. As I said before. The mysql "root" is not your system "root" |
| 04:53.22 | Lifeform | oh...! |
| 04:53.28 | Lifeform | thanks. I´ll read from dpkg |
| 04:53.31 | Lifeform | :) |
| 04:53.32 | \amethyst | lostjournal: RT for vlc, best-effort for copy is more likely to let both get a little CPU time (unless vlc is using all your bandwidth to the device) |
| 04:53.36 | Tramp | Lifeform: they are different things and have different passwords. They just happen to both be named "root" |
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| 04:54.30 | Lifeform | is this safe? ==> /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
| 04:54.44 | Lifeform | I underrstand.. |
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| 04:55.15 | lostjournal | \amethyst: I'm getting this error, any idea? $ sudo ionice -c1 7162 |
| 04:55.15 | lostjournal | execvp: No such file or directory |
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| 04:55.43 | \amethyst | lostjournal: ionice -c1 -p7162 |
| 04:55.57 | \amethyst | lostjournal: yours was trying to launch '7162' as a command |
| 04:56.16 | Lifeform | Tramp: Got an error on that one: [root@web ~]# /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 04:56.16 | Lifeform | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 04:56.17 | lostjournal | oh duh sorry, it's late |
| 04:56.31 | \amethyst | Lifeform: those aren't all bash commands |
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| 04:56.40 | alex___ | ha |
| 04:56.41 | Lifeform | :) |
| 04:56.41 | \amethyst | Lifeform: /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; |
| 04:56.47 | \amethyst | Lifeform: that in bash |
| 04:56.50 | Lifeform | im a newbie |
| 04:56.52 | Lifeform | :> |
| 04:57.02 | Lifeform | ok |
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| 04:57.04 | Lifeform | and then ? |
| 04:57.15 | alex___ | the rest is sqal |
| 04:57.18 | alex___ | sql |
| 04:57.18 | Tramp | then you are at the mysql prompt |
| 04:57.25 | alex___ | type that in mysql |
| 04:57.32 | Lifeform | ok |
| 04:57.35 | Lifeform | we´ll try :D |
| 04:57.35 | Lifeform | hehe |
| 04:57.37 | \amethyst | Lifeform: where it says C-d, press enter then ctrl-d |
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| 04:57.52 | Lifeform | it´s for our main webserver this, I´m moving to a managed server now, but I´ll try |
| 04:58.05 | Lifeform | can you assist me on this for 1-2 mins ? |
| 04:58.59 | Lifeform | I tired the first command: [root@web ~]# /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; |
| 04:58.59 | Lifeform | -bash: /etc/init.d/mysql: No such file or directory |
| 04:58.59 | Lifeform | 090116 5:58:46 [Warning] Asked for 196608 thread stack, but got 126976 |
| 04:58.59 | Lifeform | 090116 5:58:46 [ERROR] Fatal error: Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysqld as root! |
| 04:58.59 | Lifeform | 090116 5:58:46 [ERROR] Aborting |
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| 04:59.14 | Lifeform | sorry |
| 05:00.21 | Lifeform | any idea on why it jams up ? |
| 05:00.29 | Tramp | Lifeform: which version of Debian is that? |
| 05:00.56 | Lifeform | hmm sorry :s i have a supicion it´s Redhat actually...! |
| 05:01.01 | Lifeform | sorry :S |
| 05:01.06 | Lifeform | i thought it were the same.. |
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| 05:01.23 | Tramp | well, there should be a channel for RH. Or maybe #mysql |
| 05:01.54 | lostjournal | \amethyst: in practice, a maxed out 1.1 usb couldn't even be saved by ionice, but that's a good command to know |
| 05:02.05 | Lifeform | tnx :) hehe there ARE difference between these? |
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| 05:03.55 | X-722 | whats latest linux kernel? 27 or 28? is 28 even out yet? |
| 05:04.07 | liable | yep |
| 05:04.13 | dmoerner | 2.6.28 was released on dec 24 |
| 05:04.17 | dmoerner | 2.6.29-rc1 is current |
| 05:04.22 | X-722 | ty |
| 05:04.52 | X-722 | would you know if they did anything with the ath9k drivers since 27? |
| 05:05.19 | liable | its had lots done to it since it was included |
| 05:05.45 | dmoerner | yes |
| 05:05.50 | X-722 | like? |
| 05:05.51 | dmoerner | last commit of ath9k was made on Dec 22 |
| 05:06.04 | X-722 | cool, will check it out |
| 05:06.06 | X-722 | ty |
| 05:06.07 | dmoerner | git.kernel.org is your friend |
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| 05:06.20 | X-722 | ya ya ya :P |
| 05:06.25 | X-722 | will do, ty |
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| 05:07.01 | liable | you can also subscribe to linux-wireless list if you want to track it |
| 05:07.15 | X-722 | cool ty |
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| 05:10.40 | osu | anyone knows how to work with rdiff-backup beetween lenny and etch due the version/compability problem ? |
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| 05:14.00 | liable | osu: backports.org for the etch box? |
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| 05:14.59 | Tulga | can I use CARP on debian? |
| 05:15.28 | osu | liable: i'll try, gracias |
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| 05:22.16 | osu | liable: perfect!, thnx so much |
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| 05:24.56 | lindenle | How do i connect to a bluetooth device? |
| 05:24.57 | huwenfeng | hello, i am wondering. what does the passphrase for the secret key of ssh key pair do? |
| 05:25.14 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: the private key is stored encrypted on the disk |
| 05:25.18 | huwenfeng | the secret key file is in plain text |
| 05:25.29 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: then you don't have a passphrase |
| 05:25.31 | huwenfeng | \amethyst: no, it is in plain text |
| 05:25.38 | huwenfeng | no , i have one |
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| 05:26.03 | huwenfeng | i do have to enter the passphrase when i use the key to connect to remote machines |
| 05:26.16 | huwenfeng | and i am wondering why! |
| 05:26.27 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: what do the first two lines of the private key file look like? |
| 05:26.31 | huwenfeng | i know , i GPG, the secret key is encrypted. |
| 05:26.40 | liable | osu: yw |
| 05:26.59 | huwenfeng | -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- |
| 05:26.59 | huwenfeng | Proc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED |
| 05:27.04 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: encrypted |
| 05:27.07 | huwenfeng | this is the two line |
| 05:27.09 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: ASCII-armored |
| 05:27.26 | \amethyst | huwenfeng: the passphrase is used to decrypt it |
| 05:27.38 | huwenfeng | you mean it is encrypted plain text file? just like in GPG? |
| 05:27.42 | huwenfeng | oh, i know that. |
| 05:28.20 | huwenfeng | oh .good, i understand now. |
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| 05:31.43 | Brack10 | Hi does a deb package work on all architectures |
| 05:31.47 | Brack10 | ? |
| 05:32.21 | Brack10 | or can it be for only specific processor |
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| 05:33.56 | huwenfeng | Brack10: as far as i know, i do work on all platform |
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| 05:34.13 | huwenfeng | as long as Debian support it. |
| 05:34.48 | huwenfeng | Brack10: of course, you can not use memtest86 in Spark architecture |
| 05:35.28 | Brack10 | what did you mean by your first response? |
| 05:36.28 | supersoundguy | Brack10: are you trying to install a package on 2 different arch's? |
| 05:37.04 | huwenfeng | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:37.13 | Brack10 | supersoundguy: No but I have a package that I want to install on PowerPC and the docs don't say which platforms it works on |
| 05:37.17 | huwenfeng | missing the little 't' |
| 05:37.39 | huwenfeng | then you can try it |
| 05:37.51 | supersoundguy | have you checked packages.debian.org? |
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| 05:38.53 | supersoundguy | there is a section at the bottom of each package listing that allows you to download the correct deb file for your architecture |
| 05:39.57 | supersoundguy | or you can issue the apt-get install command if it is in the debian repositories |
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| 05:53.29 | tarzeau | entro: contact the authors of links2 or use the bts? |
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| 05:59.32 | \amethyst | :q |
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| 06:00.38 | Ace2016_- | how do i searched installed files in the package database? |
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| 06:00.47 | Ace2016_- | a file has popped up and i don't know its origin |
| 06:01.06 | liable | Ace2016_-: dpkg -S |
| 06:01.09 | Ace2016_- | or can i search for all files created within a set of date/time points? |
| 06:01.35 | dmoerner | man find |
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| 06:02.27 | Ace2016_- | liable: thanks, turns out not to be an apt package |
| 06:02.32 | stoned | hm |
| 06:02.34 | Ace2016_- | dmoerner: i will try this |
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| 06:02.53 | Ace2016_- | i fear a compile i did might have somehow written files to /usr/ |
| 06:03.08 | Ace2016_- | so is there any way to force all packages to be reinstalled? |
| 06:03.13 | \amethyst | !reinstall |
| 06:03.13 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 06:06.19 | stoned | man, it doesn't look like php5-common was built with readline support |
| 06:06.38 | stoned | I run php interactively in the cli and I get no p rompt, no backspace/del working, and no history with arrow keys |
| 06:07.51 | \amethyst | stoned: PHP doesn't have an interactive mode like Python does |
| 06:08.01 | \amethyst | stoned: AFAIK |
| 06:08.35 | stoned | \amethyst, it does |
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| 06:09.00 | stoned | I'm looking in the control file right now for php5-common and there is no configure option specified for read line support |
| 06:09.05 | stoned | http://us3.php.net/features.commandline |
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| 06:09.16 | \amethyst | stoned: oh, php -a |
| 06:09.46 | stoned | indeed |
| 06:10.03 | stoned | looks like I have to rebuilt the dang thing |
| 06:10.05 | stoned | lets see |
| 06:10.06 | \amethyst | stoned: ah, licensing issues |
| 06:10.11 | stoned | really? |
| 06:10.18 | stoned | what sort of issues? |
| 06:10.36 | stoned | I haven't yet went through the whole docs in /usr/share/doc/php5-common |
| 06:10.50 | \amethyst | hrm |
| 06:10.53 | \amethyst | maybe not |
| 06:10.55 | stoned | where di dyou find this? |
| 06:10.58 | stoned | oh |
| 06:11.21 | stoned | well let me specify the build option in debian/rules and see whats up |
| 06:11.22 | \amethyst | stoned: an old ubuntu bug mentioned licensing issues, but they were apparently fixed somehow |
| 06:11.47 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.20 | stoned | \amethyst, uhm.. hmm how do I find out the DIR for readline, like dpkg -L readline-common ? |
| 06:12.22 | \amethyst | stoned: ah, # 341868 (missing readline extension) is blocked by # 286356 |
| 06:12.28 | stoned | and specify the binary there? or what? |
| 06:12.38 | stoned | hmm |
| 06:12.54 | \amethyst | stoned: binary? |
| 06:13.08 | \amethyst | stoned: just --with-readline should find the library |
| 06:13.16 | stoned | yes, ok |
| 06:13.29 | \amethyst | stoned: =DIR is for when it's not in your default library path |
| 06:13.33 | stoned | ahhh |
| 06:13.42 | stoned | I'm still new to building things without IDEs |
| 06:13.48 | stoned | I feel like a noob |
| 06:14.04 | stoned | I'm moving from .NET to like actual real big boy stuff heh |
| 06:14.09 | \amethyst | stoned: aha |
| 06:14.20 | stoned | \amethyst, I'm trying to build php5-gtk2 for which I filed an ITP this morning |
| 06:14.33 | stoned | I just wanted to build php5-cli with readline just to fuck with it |
| 06:14.39 | stoned | I love php man, its great |
| 06:14.57 | kunwon1 | lol |
| 06:15.00 | kunwon1 | you would |
| 06:15.00 | stoned | trying to find an actual framework for php5-cli |
| 06:15.40 | stoned | all the ones are freakin' web based frameworks which need apache |
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| 06:15.46 | \amethyst | stoned: 286356 does mention the licensing issues. the fix that would go into debian would be to use libedit instead, but there's some problem where libedit prevents php from going into the background properly, even when not in interactive mode |
| 06:15.52 | samplr | any fun ideas on how to erase a hard drive that doesn't show up as a dev WITHOUT voiding the waranty? |
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| 06:16.09 | stoned | I'm looking into it |
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| 06:16.47 | Ace2016_- | oh hang on |
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| 06:17.14 | Ace2016_- | if, checkinstall is interupted will it leave the results of make install on the system? at least partially? |
| 06:17.19 | stoned | \amethyst, its old, 2004 |
| 06:17.40 | stoned | wow |
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| 06:17.54 | Ace2016_- | stoned: wow? |
| 06:18.11 | stoned | yeh, almost 5 years and its still a bug ;) |
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| 06:18.59 | \amethyst | stoned: linking against libreadline supposedly fixes the bug, but that makes the binary undistributable |
| 06:19.13 | stoned | I don't care, its just for me |
| 06:19.16 | \amethyst | yeah |
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| 06:19.41 | stoned | php5-gtk2 needs only php-gd.. in fact grep me above for the build-depends directive I'm using |
| 06:19.47 | stoned | only like 5 packages it needs to build |
| 06:20.08 | stoned | readline support is just for me |
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| 06:23.20 | Ace2016_- | i wish i had gone with that nice chroot |
| 06:24.20 | \amethyst | what version of mailx? |
| 06:24.22 | \amethyst | oop |
| 06:24.28 | stoned | man this whole thing is caput |
| 06:24.39 | stoned | to build php5-common I need fucking apache?! wtf |
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| 06:25.11 | Ace2016_- | stoned: what programming language are you learning? |
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| 06:25.28 | \amethyst | stoned: build-deps are per-source-package |
| 06:25.41 | stoned | 1 upgraded, 75 newly installed, 0 to remove and 32 not upgraded. |
| 06:25.41 | stoned | Need to get 35.4MB of archives. |
| 06:25.46 | stoned | geez |
| 06:25.58 | stoned | \amethyst, what does that mean? |
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| 06:26.12 | Ace2016_- | are you running build-dep or are you manually installing packages for the compile one by one? |
| 06:26.22 | stoned | Ace2016_-, I know how to program, I'm just trying to pacakge stuff for debian, and I'm new to makefiles and configure scripts etc. |
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| 06:26.38 | stoned | I just used build-dep see what all it depended on |
| 06:26.38 | Ace2016_- | oh cool |
| 06:26.41 | \amethyst | stoned: well, php5-cli, php5-common, and libapache2-mod-php5 all belong to the same source package |
| 06:26.54 | stoned | I'm looking at the php5-common build-dep directive in the source package |
| 06:27.06 | stoned | \amethyst, oh, thats why |
| 06:27.14 | stoned | thats not cool |
| 06:27.23 | stoned | php5 should be independant from apache |
| 06:27.33 | \amethyst | stoned: you don't necessarily need all of them just to build php5-cli |
| 06:27.44 | stoned | apache should NOT be required in order to use php |
| 06:27.48 | \amethyst | stoned: it's not |
| 06:27.53 | stoned | ok good |
| 06:27.58 | stoned | perhaps I'm overlooking something |
| 06:28.34 | \amethyst | stoned: the apache development libraries are needed to build the complete php5 source package |
| 06:28.46 | \amethyst | stoned: that's why they're in the build-depends |
| 06:29.06 | stoned | I see |
| 06:29.07 | \amethyst | stoned: but you don't need to build everything, just php5-cli probably |
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| 06:29.31 | stoned | yes ok, so I don't need to build php5-common with --with-readline ? |
| 06:29.50 | stoned | I should instead rebuild php5-cli with that option? (I have no yet lookd into that package) |
| 06:29.54 | tac_ | Hiall, question from newbies. What's the default terminal in debian etch? |
| 06:30.08 | tac_ | I got a linux on my here :? |
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| 06:30.09 | stoned | \amethyst, or... (I'm a bit confused on this bit) |
| 06:30.20 | \amethyst | stoned: I'm not sure how the php5 source package is set up, but it probably only runs configure once |
| 06:30.55 | \amethyst | stoned: wait, no, it would have to run it multiple times, duh |
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| 06:32.01 | q00 | somebody know what packages contain the task "Standard-System"? |
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| 06:32.24 | q00 | i cant find it on packages.debian.org |
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| 06:34.18 | Ace2016_- | i'm using find with -cmin, but i would like the created time rather than the modified time, is there something for that? |
| 06:34.50 | Ace2016_- | q00: LSB? |
| 06:34.53 | \amethyst | q00: aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 06:35.32 | karsten | OK, what do you do if you've lost track of you mouse poiinter? |
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| 06:35.50 | cads_ | I'm trying to build something but it's saying that my /tmp folder has no free space |
| 06:35.56 | karsten | I mean: I can still focus. There's just no mouse on screen. Windowmaker. Did a restart of it (kill -USR1). |
| 06:36.06 | Ace2016_- | karsten: well i use kde4's effect which draws stars around the pointer so i know where it is |
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| 06:36.30 | \amethyst | cads_: what does df /tmp say? |
| 06:36.41 | q00 | i dont know what LSB is, but thanks, i try the aptitude command |
| 06:36.50 | cads_ | only 84 blocks left |
| 06:37.10 | cads_ | it says overflow is mounted to there |
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| 06:37.18 | Ace2016_- | linux standard base, once i needed it for printer drivers, |
| 06:37.32 | karsten | Ace2016_-: There apparently isn't any pointer. |
| 06:37.34 | \amethyst | cads_: what is the filesystem? |
| 06:37.49 | cads_ | i recently ran out of space on my main partition, but I cleared some space |
| 06:38.00 | cads_ | under filesystem is says overflow |
| 06:38.01 | karsten | Ace2016_-: Nothing visible, and nothing changes focus as I move my finger across the trackpad. |
| 06:38.35 | \amethyst | cads_: and /tmp as the mount point? |
| 06:38.52 | cads_ | overflow 1024 940 84 92% /tmp |
| 06:38.52 | karsten | I think it may be time for an X restart. |
| 06:38.53 | karsten | Feh. |
| 06:39.16 | \amethyst | cads_: what does mount | grep overflow say? |
| 06:39.45 | cads_ | overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777) |
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| 06:40.58 | \amethyst | cads_: try /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp stop |
| 06:41.07 | \amethyst | cads_: though I suspect if you have programs running that won't work |
| 06:42.36 | \amethyst | cads_: if you have enough space free now, it will be fixed when you shut down the system |
| 06:42.56 | cads_ | aww |
| 06:43.02 | cads_ | ok |
| 06:43.10 | cads_ | i had suspected that |
| 06:43.17 | \amethyst | cads_: if you really don't want to reboot you can go into single-user mode, run /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp stop, and switch back to runlevel 2 |
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| 06:43.47 | \amethyst | cads_: (you have to go into single-user mode to make sure no programs are currently using /tmp) |
| 06:43.53 | cads_ | yeah |
| 06:44.25 | cads_ | I'll look for instructions on doing that, I should know how |
| 06:45.29 | \amethyst | telinit 1 (preferably from a console) and telinit 2 to go back |
| 06:45.39 | \amethyst | man init |
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| 06:52.30 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: in !reinstall when it says "or" is it telling the user you can run this command or this other command or is the whole command "aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt" then "dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install"? slightly confused |
| 06:52.36 | phix | What's the go with the asterisk package? it seems broken or is that just me>? --> http://rafb.net/p/rEP9kc59.html |
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| 06:53.08 | Fox_1_ | people did you tried "Looking glass" under debian? |
| 06:53.52 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: those are four different commands. either of the first two will do what you want |
| 06:54.01 | Ace2016_- | ah thanks |
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| 06:54.38 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: the last two, together, do something different (install the same set of packages on a different machine, or save the list of packages so you can restore them later) |
| 06:55.06 | Ace2016_- | so "aptitude reinstall '~i' ;" is all i need? |
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| 06:55.32 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: should be |
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| 06:56.09 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: it won't remove files that don't belong to a package |
| 06:56.19 | Ace2016_- | i thought the first part of the command reinstalled but lost some settings which was why the --get-selections was used, to save them |
| 06:56.45 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: no but i went about destroying just about everything created in the last 5 hours so its fine |
| 06:57.43 | Ace2016_- | and i used make uninstall, it would have deleted files, files which would have replaced the original files, which is why the reinstall is being done |
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| 07:05.36 | Ace2016_- | eeek E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash |
| 07:06.12 | Ace2016_- | but aptitude reinstall bash works fine |
| 07:06.43 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:09.40 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: do you get the error again after reinstalling bash ? |
| 07:09.56 | Ace2016_- | yes |
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| 07:11.34 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: maybe aptitude reinstall '~i!~prequired' will work better |
| 07:12.19 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: not sure though |
| 07:12.22 | Ace2016_- | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-utils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 07:12.27 | \amethyst | hm |
| 07:13.21 | \amethyst | sounds like the factoid's suggestion, while clever, doesn't actually work :( |
| 07:14.35 | Ace2016_- | what if i removed bash? |
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| 07:14.50 | \amethyst | your system would stop working real quick |
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| 07:15.05 | \amethyst | before it even finished removing bash :) |
| 07:15.15 | Ace2016_- | can't install dash use that and remove bash? |
| 07:15.24 | Ace2016_- | ubuntu uses dash right? |
| 07:15.35 | \amethyst | lots of scripts have #! /bin/bash |
| 07:15.42 | Ace2016_- | ln -s? |
| 07:15.56 | \amethyst | the ones that have #! /bin/bash have it for a reason |
| 07:16.03 | Ace2016_- | oh ok |
| 07:16.11 | \amethyst | anyway, it wouldn't fix the problem even if you could |
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| 07:16.50 | \amethyst | since even '~i!~prequired' (which skips reinstalling priority: required packages like bash) didn't work |
| 07:17.39 | liable | actually, debian has been trying to move away from bashism's in preperation for dash |
| 07:18.20 | liable | iirc, they might even be rc if its an init script |
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| 07:21.11 | \amethyst | liable: there are still lots of maintainer scripts with #! /bin/bash anyway |
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| 07:21.21 | sergio__ | it is safe to use the / filesystem in ext4? I have read about some problems with grub, but I guess that this problems is related to /boot Is that right? |
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| 07:26.45 | PERR0_HUNTER | http://tinyurl.com/a2pdnv |
| 07:26.48 | PERR0_HUNTER | sorry wrong window |
| 07:27.15 | Ace2016_- | ok it gave me a huge list when i tried to do the aptitude reinstall '~i', i will reinstall them line by line |
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| 07:28.53 | smoke_ | is it possible to traceroute an ip from another ip? for example: i wanted to see how many hops are between google.com and yahoo.com? |
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| 07:30.53 | \amethyst | not unless you can run traceroute on one of their machines :) |
| 07:31.18 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: by any chance would using aptitude reinstall on all the packages on my system mark them as manually installed? |
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| 07:32.17 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: hm, it just might |
| 07:32.28 | bolt | !tell Ace2016_- about reinstall |
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| 07:32.42 | \amethyst | chmod -R 600 isn't guaranteed to work |
| 07:32.44 | \amethyst | eep |
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| 07:33.29 | elik | \amethyst, :D |
| 07:34.26 | Ace2016_- | elik: you can if you work for google or yahoo, or get access to their lan on a tour of the place |
| 07:35.20 | Cromag | im having problems installing an applikation - http://pastebin.com/d1ee1353 - i have tried to update upgrade and -f to get it installed, but i still wont. Any ideas ? |
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| 07:35.51 | n08l3J | hello everyone |
| 07:36.02 | n08l3J | how can i check what packages are installed on my system |
| 07:36.05 | elik | Ace2016_-, uh??? |
| 07:36.49 | Cromag | n08l3J: dpkg --list |
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| 07:37.20 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: I think you meant smoke_ not elik ? |
| 07:37.20 | Ace2016_- | oh wait |
| 07:37.24 | Ace2016_- | taht was for smoke_ |
| 07:37.26 | Ace2016_- | that* |
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| 07:38.37 | n08l3J | thanks Cromag |
| 07:39.41 | elik | Ace2016_-, a tour of the lan, hehe... that's a nice expression |
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| 07:41.34 | Ace2016_- | actually if i did have an opportunity to get a tour of google's lan i would certainly be there, i'd love to know how they handle the load |
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| 07:44.49 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: it hasn't so far effected the package selection, it still lists the same number of apps to be removed for aptitude remove gnomebaker |
| 07:45.23 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: it probably didn't get far enough to do anything with the package selections then |
| 07:45.26 | \amethyst | Ace2016_-: I guess |
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| 07:46.31 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: i'm manually installing everything from the list of all the installed packages |
| 07:51.42 | arnuld_ | leave #debian |
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| 07:54.14 | Cromag | problem solved! |
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| 08:06.30 | Ace2016_- | this reinstall was very beneficial, perfect chance to see everything installed on my system, removing all the dev packages muahahahaha |
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| 08:18.28 | zsircusr | how do i take a program compiled for linux and cross compile it for debian? |
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| 08:19.07 | elik | zsircusr, hum... debian is linux |
| 08:19.26 | elik | zsircusr, what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 08:23.38 | zsircusr | prgram is written for linux 2.xx and unslung |
| 08:23.45 | zsircusr | i want to use it with debian |
| 08:23.54 | elik | zsircusr, what is the program? |
| 08:24.08 | zsircusr | usbhostfs and nethostfs |
| 08:24.45 | zsircusr | can i change it for debian? |
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| 08:25.25 | zsircusr | elik? |
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| 08:25.35 | elik | zsircusr, yes yes |
| 08:25.56 | zsircusr | so i can do it? sorry for being impatient |
| 08:26.01 | elik | zsircusr, changing it for debian is a very vague concept... You can compile the program on your machine if you have the sources |
| 08:26.10 | morfol | anyone knows a good webfrontend for mailfilter except sqwebmail? |
| 08:26.19 | elik | but most likely you can use a package already existing in debian |
| 08:26.40 | zsircusr | it doesnnt exist. i lokked |
| 08:26.42 | zsircusr | lol |
| 08:26.44 | zsircusr | looked |
| 08:26.57 | zsircusr | but if i found the source i could compile in debian? |
| 08:27.30 | elik | yes |
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| 08:27.46 | elik | zsircusr, now, it would probably complain about missing libraries, which you would have to fetch |
| 08:27.58 | elik | and hopefully install with apt-get |
| 08:28.10 | jon13 | can anyone help me to understand why my javaplugin for firefox stops working upon kernel upgrade (i486 to k7)_ If i go back to old kernel it works fine again without any effort...? |
| 08:28.45 | zsircusr | oh man. guess i should just try to install unslung on my unit |
| 08:29.09 | elik | zsircusr, as you wish |
| 08:30.50 | elik | zsircusr, are you messing with a psp?? |
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| 08:31.07 | zsircusr | yeah why? |
| 08:31.27 | elik | only thing I could find with usbhostfs and nethostfs |
| 08:32.01 | zsircusr | yeah. it would allow my device to act as a hard disk for the psp |
| 08:32.38 | elik | zsircusr, hum, fancy |
| 08:33.03 | zsircusr | yeah. if only i could internalize it |
| 08:33.08 | xisle | how can I show the dependencies of a .deb file? |
| 08:33.59 | elik | xisle, apt-cache depends package |
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| 08:35.11 | xisle | elik: will that work on a package that isn't installed? |
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| 08:36.31 | elik | xisle, you tell me |
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| 08:37.15 | elik | xisle, but I think it would |
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| 08:38.14 | xisle | it didn't work |
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| 08:40.03 | elik | xisle, it does |
| 08:40.04 | xisle | guess I'll just install it and go from there |
| 08:40.07 | xisle | it does? |
| 08:40.11 | elik | yah yah |
| 08:40.17 | xisle | where do i put the deb file? |
| 08:40.23 | elik | oh wait |
| 08:40.26 | elik | sorry |
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| 08:40.32 | elik | a .deb file |
| 08:40.45 | elik | I got you wrong here, I thought you meant a package |
| 08:40.52 | elik | so I was into apt-cache commands |
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| 08:42.43 | elik | xisle, where did you get that package? |
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| 08:43.58 | elik | xisle, man dpkg-query |
| 08:44.36 | xisle | the package is for polarscope, got it from sourceforge, it's not in debian. |
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| 08:44.43 | elik | -l |
| 08:44.44 | xisle | dpkg-query sounds right, thanks |
| 08:44.45 | elik | it lists |
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| 08:45.19 | elik | and you can play with -f to decide what -l shows |
| 08:45.59 | elik | there is even a nice little example |
| 08:46.08 | xisle | so that one's still just looking in the dpkg database, which it isn't in until i install it |
| 08:46.34 | zsircusr | he elik |
| 08:46.36 | zsircusr | found the source code |
| 08:46.36 | zsircusr | how would i compile it for debian? |
| 08:47.30 | elik | zsircusr, I don't know if it's a good idea |
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| 08:47.50 | elik | zsircusr, if other PSP hackers are on another distribution, you might consider installing their setup... |
| 08:48.00 | elik | zsircusr, otherwise you're out in the dark |
| 08:48.07 | zsircusr | its ok. i just want to try |
| 08:48.15 | elik | zsircusr, and being out in the dark not knowing how to compile... yikes |
| 08:48.17 | elik | zsircusr, fine |
| 08:48.34 | elik | zsircusr, with every source package should come a nice README or INSTALL file |
| 08:48.43 | elik | zsircusr, read through, follow the instruciton |
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| 08:48.54 | zsircusr | i cant run anything except debian on the wl-700ge |
| 08:48.55 | zsircusr | if i could run unslung on the wl-700ge i would do it |
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| 08:49.09 | unitypunk | is there a distro isntallable in under 40mb? |
| 08:49.09 | elik | kk |
| 08:49.26 | zsircusr | unslung? |
| 08:49.28 | alcohol | dos! |
| 08:49.32 | zsircusr | i dont know |
| 08:49.51 | alcohol | I believe dos is like only 11 floppies large o: |
| 08:50.23 | zsircusr | im sure i could instal to usb and boot that way |
| 08:50.24 | zsircusr | but i still dont know |
| 08:50.24 | zsircusr | some guys made it work with unslung on anothwe device |
| 08:50.31 | zsircusr | i have a wl-700ge |
| 08:50.42 | zsircusr | if i could put unslung on it i would |
| 08:50.51 | xisle | elik: dpkg-deb --info bla.deb did it |
| 08:51.20 | elik | zsircusr, but I'm telling you that because it's a file system you're trying to add.. so it's not the most simple thing either |
| 08:51.55 | elik | unitypunk, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux |
| 08:52.18 | unitypunk | does dsl get lower then 50mb? |
| 08:52.32 | zsircusr | ok thats fine |
| 08:52.33 | zsircusr | just wish i could make it work |
| 08:53.02 | elik | unitypunk, so it says |
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| 08:53.37 | elik | unitypunk, http://mulinux.dotsrc.org/ |
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| 08:55.09 | unitypunk | thanks man |
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| 09:22.11 | Ace2016_- | \amethyst: thank you, all sorted now |
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| 09:23.49 | alcohol | git requires gnuit? |
| 09:24.59 | alcohol | I don't understand ): |
| 09:26.08 | avu | alcohol, apt-cache show git |
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| 09:26.50 | avu | alcohol, what you probably want to install is git-core |
| 09:26.57 | alcohol | ah |
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| 09:31.58 | zzattack | can I find out which IP addresses dnsmasq has handed out? |
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| 09:32.56 | EE_BB | hii all I have installed snmpd on debian ethc everything is working I poll some information from smpd but snmp cant response some oids |
| 09:33.25 | EE_BB | is there any way to make that response all oid requests ? |
| 09:34.27 | EE_BB | example .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.2.3.1.6 |
| 09:34.34 | EE_BB | disk utilaztion |
| 09:34.57 | avu | zzattack, /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases |
| 09:35.01 | zzattack | thx |
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| 09:41.02 | SlayerXP | gosh, my second question this year: for a given server running debian, how can I have it automatically send me a list of packages that need to be updating, and security/bug information about the packages? apt-listbugs doesn't appear to do that when using "aptitude -dy safe-upgrade" |
| 09:41.47 | elik | SlayerXP, if we were in deceber, I'd answer.. but not in 2nd week of January -_- :P |
| 09:43.02 | elik | SlayerXP, well, just apt-get update, apt-get upgrade should keep your distro up to date and download security updates... |
| 09:43.35 | SlayerXP | elik: yes, but that's not an answer to the question I asked. |
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| 09:45.06 | blizzkid | gents, a general question: which is faster in terms of booting: a small kernel and loading necessery modules or a kernel with the necessary modules compiled in? |
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| 09:47.39 | SlayerXP | blizzkid: i beleive "who cares?" to be the correct answer to that question :) |
| 09:48.09 | blizzkid | SlayerXP: I do :-) I'm trying to get the fastest possible boottime on my EEE |
| 09:48.19 | elik | SlayerXP, yes, but that's not an answer to the question he asked. |
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| 09:49.59 | avu | SlayerXP, apt-show-versions can easily be used to write such a script |
| 09:50.22 | avu | SlayerXP, it's what I use in the script that sends me mail about the updates available on my machines at least |
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| 09:55.19 | alcohol | I'm sorry for asking this question, but is it possible to dump a batch of selected lines in vim into an output file? |
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| 09:57.20 | alcohol | or, how do I invert the selection, so I can erase all other content? |
| 09:57.22 | elik | alcohol, you might want to ask on #vim... although I'm pretty much the only one in there |
| 09:57.34 | alcohol | ): |
| 09:57.49 | alcohol | I'm looking at some vim cheats, but they have no mention of this |
| 09:57.54 | shivamib | vim rules |
| 09:57.54 | alcohol | cheat sheets* |
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| 09:59.28 | alcohol | shivamib: no suggestion though? |
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| 10:01.24 | themill | alcohol: make your visual selection then :w filename |
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| 10:02.57 | elik | alcohol, if you want vim help, join a vim related channel.. more chances you'll get help |
| 10:03.18 | alcohol | themill solved it for me (: |
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| 10:03.22 | alcohol | thanks bunches |
| 10:03.39 | alcohol | reduced my 1.2gig text file to 3.6mb |
| 10:03.47 | alcohol | much easier to edit ^^ |
| 10:03.49 | elik | alcohol, that's more of a general recommendation.. |
| 10:03.59 | elik | alcohol, yeah, vim don't like large files... |
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| 10:04.06 | alcohol | neither does my winblows editor |
| 10:04.20 | elik | alcohol, let me guess.. DB backup |
| 10:04.23 | alcohol | aye |
| 10:04.27 | elik | :) |
| 10:04.32 | themill | vim copes with big files much better than most editors |
| 10:04.35 | alcohol | we used to have per table backups |
| 10:04.39 | elik | only you crazy ppl stuff that much crap in a single file |
| 10:04.39 | alcohol | but they reduced it to per database |
| 10:04.40 | alcohol | ): |
| 10:04.47 | alcohol | I curse them for it on a day by day basis |
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| 10:05.13 | alcohol | themill: true, opening and searching was completed within 2 minutes |
| 10:05.32 | alcohol | themill: my winblows editor threw me a "file too large" error, -after- trying to open it for 5 minutes |
| 10:05.43 | themill | win! |
| 10:05.57 | elik | alcohol, ouch, that sucks |
| 10:06.07 | alcohol | yeah |
| 10:06.13 | alcohol | notepad++ earned a -- there :p |
| 10:06.52 | d-b | alcohol: notepad++ crashes on large files |
| 10:06.59 | alcohol | mine didn't |
| 10:07.05 | alcohol | it just said "File too large to open" |
| 10:07.11 | enouf | antiword! |
| 10:07.12 | d-b | oh they might have fixed it then |
| 10:07.21 | d-b | i just opened a 81mb file in kate -> no problems ^^ |
| 10:07.23 | alcohol | you'd think they could do a simple check before opening though |
| 10:07.28 | enouf | heh, 64K is too large .. |
| 10:07.45 | alcohol | I think my machine has 1gig ram though |
| 10:07.53 | alcohol | so I can imagine 1.2gb is a bit overkill |
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| 10:08.32 | enouf | "gee .. what's this 8.4GB dvd iso here? i think i'll open it in a text editor and see" |
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| 10:09.16 | alcohol | :p |
| 10:09.17 | d-b | enouf: let me try that ! |
| 10:09.29 | d-b | wait why don't i open /dev/hda .... |
| 10:10.06 | shivamib | enouf: onoes! xkill |
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| 10:11.16 | enouf | heh |
| 10:16.15 | jon13 | whenever i use apt-get from console, it suggests i use "apt-get autoremove" to remove a bunch of packages, incl. xserver.org and i think its basically gnome it thinks i dont use. In fact i do use it of course, is there a way to tell apt that? |
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| 10:23.06 | themill | dpkg: tell jon13 about unmarkauto |
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| 10:23.38 | alcohol | dpkg: tell alcohol about unmarkauto |
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| 10:24.11 | themill | alcohol: you can /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
| 10:24.15 | alcohol | oh, sorry |
| 10:24.22 | alcohol | I'll keep that in mind |
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| 10:29.15 | liable | why would dovecot-login seem to be the only process kille by oom-killer? especially when i never see mem appear close to max (openvz vps that I dont have access to the host) |
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| 10:35.14 | SlayerXP | avu: thanks |
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| 10:36.19 | jon13 | themill; Thanks |
| 10:37.42 | enouf | liable: same behaviour here, but for konquerer .. firing it up is bad enough, but just visiting a web page, it'll crash hard unless swap is enabled, even though there's plenty of ram |
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| 10:41.53 | enouf | IINM, applications typically try to allocate a certain amount of malloc() (?) upon launching, to allow for "possibilities" .. hahaha |
| 10:43.00 | liable | enouf: its a vps with 512MB of ram. its only running services, no x, or programs other than irssi (only running mail and apache basically, but admittedly running mysql) |
| 10:43.45 | liable | its not really a problem as things still work, but its annoying me |
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| 10:44.06 | avu | liable, the oom algorithm tries to be smart about which process it selects. it is also very well documented.. |
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| 10:45.27 | avu | liable, (see http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer for example) |
| 10:46.13 | liable | avu: ok thanks, i think i already know what i need to do, but am procrstinating about it |
| 10:46.41 | enouf | liable: what are you oom settings? cat /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_{memory,ratio,swappiness} |
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| 10:47.08 | enouf | oh, ok |
| 10:47.10 | avu | (also see oomadj) |
| 10:47.33 | liable | its a vps, i dont really get to play with that shit afaik |
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| 10:47.59 | liable | you cant even have swap on an opnvz vps |
| 10:48.05 | liable | openvz* |
| 10:48.08 | enouf | bah ... /swappiness shouldn't be grouped in that /overcommit... |
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| 10:49.01 | liable | i dont even have a proc file for swappiness |
| 10:49.17 | enouf | liable: is that a debian kernel -openvz version? |
| 10:49.38 | liable | its a 18 kernel, no idea what distro the host uses |
| 10:49.55 | enouf | liable: is that a debian .18 kernel -openvz version? ;-) |
| 10:49.56 | avu | liable, what about /proc/<pid>/oomadj? |
| 10:51.27 | liable | avu: nothing |
| 10:51.44 | themill | liable: have you disabled innodb if you don't use it in myswl? (skip-innodb in my.cnf -- saves about 100MB RAM) |
| 10:51.50 | enouf | is /proc even mounted? |
| 10:52.16 | liable | yes proc is mounted |
| 10:52.39 | liable | themill: no, mysql is on my hitlist. i'll look into that, ta. |
| 10:53.12 | themill | liable: I was having oom problems on a real (i.e. not virtual) server a while back... that solved it quite nicely. |
| 10:55.11 | liable | 70MB from a restart. lets see how it does when the load comes on later. thanks themill |
| 10:55.29 | enouf | iirc, i found /Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt and /vm/*.txt helpful |
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| 10:55.42 | themill | np. That's a big saving in a fixed memory system. |
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| 10:56.49 | enouf | keeps reading http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ 25x-50x a year, and tries to absorb it |
| 10:57.20 | themill | offers enouf some silicagel |
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| 10:58.00 | enouf | heh .. you figured out the boiling point! :-p |
| 10:58.02 | liable | mysql bloats over a few hours usually anyway. i think its when apache gets a bit of a workout during my wee hours that dovecot gets sacrificed |
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| 11:02.51 | enouf | oh .. heh ~$ find /proc/ -name 'oom*' 2>/dev/null |
| 11:04.30 | yacyac | hey enouf |
| 11:04.33 | yacyac | how you doing |
| 11:04.41 | liable | right, my bash/find foo sucks again as usal. |
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| 11:05.43 | enouf | yacyac: alright, and you? |
| 11:05.51 | yacyac | not bad |
| 11:05.59 | yacyac | enjoying my time with debian |
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| 11:08.12 | hugh1 | is it a pleasant journey to install debian on hp notebooks (say compaq 6520s)? |
| 11:08.35 | liable | depends on the hardware |
| 11:08.37 | liable | !laptop |
| 11:08.37 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
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| 11:09.18 | hugh1 | liable and the robot are very kind. thank you two |
| 11:09.19 | enouf | liable: ~$ find /proc/$(pgrep mplayer)/ -name 'oom*' 2>/dev/null |
| 11:09.55 | enouf | obviously replace mplayer with whatever .. |
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| 11:16.29 | hugh1 | !acpi |
| 11:16.30 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
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| 11:22.05 | chlue | if acpi does not work on new hardware, will it usually start working with a newer kernel? My new C2D E8400 does not want to clock down with Lenny (works fine in winxp after installing the drivers from the mainboard). |
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| 11:24.38 | enouf | chlue: clockdown? that's intel's speedstep and cpufreqd implementations .. and yes, kernel config options can certainly play a role |
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| 11:25.45 | ebilpanda | hello |
| 11:26.02 | chlue | enouf: yes clockdown. I transfered the harddrives from my old pc with an amd64 cpu, where clockdown worked, but the new cpu is detected as 'does not support speedstep'. |
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| 11:27.10 | ebilpanda | I tried installing debian from the businesscard image, but it started downloading stuff that I didn't want, so I aborted. Is it possible to configure which packets to download during installation of the OS or is that hardcoded in the binaries? |
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| 11:27.44 | azeem | ebilpanda: you can to some extent |
| 11:28.03 | azeem | ebilpanda: don't select a desktop environment, and skip the "select packages to install" step |
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| 11:28.26 | azeem | ebilpanda: how much disk space do you have? |
| 11:28.42 | ebilpanda | azeem: uhh I don't remeber either of those coming up |
| 11:28.51 | enouf | chlue: as i said ... but note; amd64 calls their implementation powernow, OnNow or somecrap .. Both corps are guilty of horrible nomenclature and moreso of changing it |
| 11:28.53 | ebilpanda | azeem: disk space is no object |
| 11:29.06 | azeem | ebilpanda: then I suggest you remove the unwanted packages afterwards |
| 11:30.28 | enouf | chlue: intel likely calls it something else now .. but you should read kernel changelogs, and for starters go over to kernelnebies.org and look around (summary) at what's changed in ewer kernel |
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| 11:30.35 | ebilpanda | azeem: the thing is that my internet connection has a monthly download cap of a whopping 4 GiB/month, so I would prefer to never download them in the first place if possible |
| 11:30.40 | enouf | bah |
| 11:30.58 | azeem | ebilpanda: then download and burn the full 1st ISO elsewhere |
| 11:30.58 | enouf | chlue: such like http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27 |
| 11:31.10 | azeem | ebilpanda: the businesscard ISO is for people with a good internet connection |
| 11:31.27 | chlue | ebilpanda: just choose no task in the installer and then install everything from hand after the installer finished and drops you to a command line. |
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| 11:32.15 | enouf | chlue: are you passing any kernel params at boot time? have you checked you have no stale AMD specific modules loading from say /etc/modules, or blacklisting ones in /etc/modprobe.d/* ? |
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| 11:32.18 | ebilpanda | azeem: I see, though do you know where I can find more info about the businesscard install? |
| 11:32.26 | azeem | ebilpanda: in the source |
| 11:32.26 | ebilpanda | chlue: thanks |
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| 11:33.15 | ebilpanda | azeem: OK, thanks for the help so far |
| 11:33.27 | SlimG | When trying to install request-tracker3.6 on etch, Why is aptitude suggesting apache when I already have apache2 installed?: http://debian.pastebin.com/d4abe3f98 |
| 11:34.04 | enouf | ebilpanda: you also might want to look into preseeding |
| 11:34.15 | chlue | enouf: yes I checked that allready, no modules are loaded. And no commandline options. It might be that I just need a newer kernel, because the cpu with the e-stepping is newer than the 2.6.26 kernel if I remember right. |
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| 11:34.43 | ebilpanda | enouf: noted, thank you |
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| 11:36.49 | jelly | SlimG: because it's dumb; you can take a look at the package dependencies with "apt-cache show request-tracker3.6" and tell aptitude to use rt3.6-apache2 instead of rt3.6-apache |
| 11:37.25 | gynterk | is there a workspace macro reader in linux? |
| 11:37.31 | gynterk | recorder * |
| 11:37.51 | gynterk | to record mouse movement, clicks and key presses |
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| 11:39.07 | gynterk | nevermind |
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| 11:42.58 | enouf | chlue: not directly related to your speedstep issue, but for ex; this was added recently http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=8ee1c3db9075cb3211352e737e0feb98fd733b20 |
| 11:44.12 | chlue | enouf: yes quiet unrelated, but at least this shows me, that the relevant acpi stuff is in the kernel, so I know where to look for new versions. |
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| 11:45.12 | Ace2016_- | whats the oppsite of build-dep? i can use build-dep to install the dependent packages but what do i use to remove the packages installed by build-dep |
| 11:45.14 | Ace2016_- | ? |
| 11:46.07 | leflo | Ace2016_-: deborphan |
| 11:46.10 | chlue | enouf: its strange anyway. I just testet it. On windows-xp: 77W without cpu clockdown, 75W with clockdown. On Debian 77W. If its makes only 2W difference its useless (or broken) anyway. |
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| 11:48.33 | enouf | chlue: also note http://lesswatts.org/ |
| 11:49.02 | enouf | and debfoster |
| 11:49.13 | chlue | enouf: I know that site. powertop is a nice tool. |
| 11:49.15 | SlimG | jelly: seems like it solved the problem when I installed rt3.6-apache2 first, and then the mainpackage, thanks for your help |
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| 11:51.13 | Ace2016_- | leflo: thanks, a solid lead, i'm looking at it now, also noticed cruft |
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| 11:51.51 | th1 | hi, is there an "official" way to change my server's hostname (i.e. not manually editing files in /etc but something like dpkg-reconfigure some-package)? |
| 11:52.32 | enouf | th1: /msg dpkg hostname |
| 11:52.58 | enouf | th1: install configure-debian to see which pkgs can be reconfigured through dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:53.59 | th1 | enouf, thanks |
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| 11:58.06 | shams | atom 330 dual core is a good processor for a dedicated server that served big websites with php and mySQL and apache? |
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| 11:58.36 | Solaria | shams, better a Xeon series for servers |
| 12:00.06 | petemc | isnt the atom limited to netbooks? |
| 12:00.15 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am looking for a nice command that list all all packages comming out the experimental apt repository |
| 12:00.44 | shams | Solaria: most hosting providers offer atom dedicated server with debian. what is your idea? |
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| 12:00.56 | Solaria | petemc, yes, the purpose for these processors are netbooks (and nanobooks) |
| 12:01.37 | Solaria | shams, they sell this processors because it's more cheap |
| 12:02.04 | Solaria | but the Intel series for servers are Xeon (or Itanium) |
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| 12:02.45 | chlue | tuxcrafter: I recently 'hacked' this together to get a status of my system: http://pastebin.com/m6c20332e |
| 12:03.06 | Ace2016_- | omg i just ran rm -r /usr/share/* |
| 12:03.17 | Ace2016_- | and i intended to run it on /usr/local |
| 12:05.19 | Ace2016_- | one stupid command and you wreck the entire system |
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| 12:05.59 | enouf | shams: then you're likely finding some 16yr old kid, living in his mother's basement, who's setup his netbook as a server and renting it out to you |
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| 12:06.22 | tuxcrafter | Ace2016_-: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a ? |
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| 12:07.02 | Ace2016_- | tuxcrafter: but files are missing, its no longer that simple: /var/lib/dpkg/info/adduser.config: line 4: /usr/share/debconf/confmodule: No such file or directory |
| 12:07.07 | shams | enouf: don't you see these offers until now? |
| 12:07.21 | enouf | shams: not really - never looked |
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| 12:07.53 | sosperec | hello! |
| 12:07.59 | tuxcrafter | Ace2016_-: can you reinstall apt |
| 12:08.08 | tuxcrafter | debbootstrap over your root |
| 12:08.13 | enouf | shams: although to run a server, you don't need a xeon, and especially not an itamium (mucho $$$) |
| 12:09.04 | enouf | Ace2016_-: hrm . might want to try feeding /msg dpkg confmiss a list of installed pkgs? |
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| 12:09.42 | Solaria | however, personally, if I pay a dedicated server ... atom processor seems a joke ;-) |
| 12:09.43 | enouf | dpkg --get-selections > pkglist or something .. or dpkg -l | grep ^.i > pkglist ... |
| 12:09.43 | dpkg | You are moron #23, enouf |
| 12:09.48 | enouf | heh |
| 12:10.14 | enouf | indeed Solaria |
| 12:10.48 | Ace2016_- | can't do anything, dpkg is missing parts of debconf, i'm going to grab the debconf file and extract it |
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| 12:11.14 | Ace2016_- | thankfully i still have /usr/bin |
| 12:11.20 | Ace2016_- | oh wait /usr/share/lib is gone |
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| 12:12.01 | tuxcrafter | chlue: tahnks for the hind apt-show-versions -a | grep "experimental uptodate" |
| 12:12.02 | enouf | Ace2016_-: for the future alias rm='rm -i' ;-) |
| 12:12.16 | tuxcrafter | Ace2016_-: i recommand redebootstrapping your system |
| 12:12.36 | tuxcrafter | chlue: any idea how i can force all experimental packages to downgrade to unstable |
| 12:12.38 | riz_ | I'm trying to connect my debian machine behind a firewall with ftp - tls It connects right but for some reason I can't see the folder. Disabling iptables it works. So which are the ports tcp/upd to open for using ftp-tls ? |
| 12:12.43 | tuxcrafter | i need to do some clean testing |
| 12:13.01 | Ace2016_- | sweet, debconf is back in the world of the living |
| 12:13.28 | Ace2016_- | tuxcrafter: no need, is there? just reinstall all the packages? |
| 12:13.31 | Ace2016_- | i did it last night |
| 12:13.55 | tuxcrafter | Ace2016_-: if you are able to reinstall the packages you should be ok |
| 12:14.04 | enouf | riz_: ~$ egrep -i 'ftp|tls' /etc/services |
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| 12:14.47 | riz_ | enouf are enabled.. |
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| 12:15.25 | enouf | then see what it wants from using tcpdump and/or wireshark or any sniffer |
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| 12:15.54 | riz_ | enouf the iptables log seems to find a 5442 port |
| 12:16.05 | enouf | riz_: "can't see the folder" sounds like some kind of Share? |
| 12:16.26 | Tuxist | how can i add a new client in keberos database ? i have create this princepial http://paste.debian.net/26119/ ? |
| 12:16.42 | Tuxist | my client get access denied |
| 12:16.57 | riz_ | enouf it's because FTP use dynamic port when you estabilished the connection |
| 12:17.15 | riz_ | enouf so I suspect I need to enable each port >1024 |
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| 12:17.33 | enouf | wonderful - if you can't force it to a port, dump it |
| 12:17.40 | enouf | try vsftpd or something |
| 12:18.06 | chlue | tuxcrafter: afaik you can pin experimental to e negative value, this will force a downgrade, but I am not really experienced with this. |
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| 12:18.35 | tuxcrafter | chlue: i found it i have to make unstalble pinning above 1000 |
| 12:18.39 | tuxcrafter | it is 900 now |
| 12:20.57 | tuxcrafter | ... or not |
| 12:21.03 | tuxcrafter | trying negative on experimental |
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| 12:23.25 | enouf | tuxcrafter: you have a value somewhere in /etc/apt/apt*/* such like; APT::Default-Release "unstable"; or maybe some other value? |
| 12:23.25 | tuxcrafter | hmm why does Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 12:23.27 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.42 | tuxcrafter | enouf: jups i got the default release set to unstable |
| 12:23.50 | tuxcrafter | does it overwrite to 900... |
| 12:24.20 | enouf | take a look at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz ? |
| 12:24.34 | tuxcrafter | enouf: indeed it does overwrite it |
| 12:24.44 | tuxcrafter | i thought it made it a minimal of 9000 |
| 12:24.52 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.36 | enouf | !downgrade |
| 12:25.36 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 12:26.34 | mno | hi |
| 12:26.46 | tuxcrafter | hoppa downgrade in progress |
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| 12:27.05 | S-i-A | why by remove some gnome packet like nautilus or gedit, must by next aptitude remove alle gnome or install the removed packet again! |
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| 12:27.51 | enouf | S-i-A: /msg dpkg unmarkauto |
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| 12:28.47 | enouf | S-i-A: they are packages, not packets ;-) |
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| 12:29.01 | S-i-A | enouf: oh srry and thanx |
| 12:29.57 | enouf | np |
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| 12:30.55 | tuxcrafter | enouf: how to use packagename* with aptitude like it works with apt-get example apt-get remove --purge xserver* |
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| 12:31.51 | enouf | tuxcrafter: no idea, i don't use aptitude, but perhaps try 'xserver*' or 'xserver\*' ? |
| 12:32.14 | flower | I want to set my resolution in gnome, but no options there.. :( |
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| 12:32.47 | flower | installing xorg and xserver-xorg should be enough right? |
| 12:32.48 | enouf | !info aptitude-doc-en |
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| 12:33.20 | dpkg | aptitude-doc-en: (English manual for aptitude, a terminal-based package manager), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.4.11.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 356 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB |
| 12:33.31 | enouf | the xorg metapackage should, but maybe you have a funny default resolution ? |
| 12:33.42 | tuxcrafter | seems half my system was using experimental packages :-p |
| 12:33.50 | tuxcrafter | is doing to much testing and debuggin |
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| 12:36.45 | tuxcrafter | chlue: btw this is handy -> apt-show-versions | fgrep /experimental |
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| 12:39.12 | IRCMonkey | Hi, anyone who had found a solution to #510323 (sth with noscript and xulrunner)? |
| 12:39.31 | enouf | !xulrunner |
| 12:39.31 | dpkg | [xulrunner] a minimized mozilla release without user interface. the xul applications provide the user interface. see: http://wiki.mozilla.org/XUL:Xul_Runner |
| 12:39.41 | enouf | hrm |
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| 12:41.04 | enouf | bah .. twas thinking of <update-xmlcatalog bug> |
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| 12:48.17 | GuilhermeCunha | how to obtain the percentage of use of processor? put in a file... |
| 12:48.30 | enouf | https://wiki.mozilla.org/XULRunner:Faq hrm .. |
| 12:49.55 | epsilon | GuilhermeCunha: man ps |
| 12:50.04 | enouf | GuilhermeCunha: maybe ~$ apt-cache show atop collectd ? |
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| 12:52.11 | enouf | GuilhermeCunha: it seems atopsar does logging to file (or some versions do) http://www.atcomputing.nl/Tools/atop/home.html |
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| 12:55.11 | GuilhermeCunha | thanks |
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| 12:59.37 | chlue | enouf: a bios update did the trick(quiet a challenge without a floppydrive). Now the system clocks down to 2Ghz and saves 1w *grr* |
| 13:00.00 | elik | chlue, hug a tree! |
| 13:01.18 | enouf | chlue: i was going to suggest a bios update, but you seemed to be all current with all that |
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| 13:01.48 | _gm | hi all |
| 13:02.06 | _gm | i accidentally deleted /var/lib/ directory contents |
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| 13:02.59 | SlayerXP | _gm: restore from your backup |
| 13:03.14 | _gm | SlaY3R: there is not backup for /var/lib |
| 13:03.32 | SlayerXP | _gm: then reinstall the server, and this time include /var/lib in your backup regime |
| 13:03.33 | chlue | i just wonder now if powersaving on intel cpus is that bad. I think on my old amd it made a difference of 10W. Something you actually hear due to the reduced cooling efforts. |
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| 13:03.39 | _gm | :0 |
| 13:03.58 | _gm | SlaY3R: i am trying to restore contents of /var/lib from another debian machine |
| 13:04.08 | SlaY3R | other slayer;) |
| 13:04.12 | SlayerXP | that's would be a remarkably stupid thing to do. |
| 13:04.27 | _gm | hmmm |
| 13:04.39 | Ace2016_- | _gm: join the club, i deleted my /usr/share and now i'm reinstalling everything |
| 13:04.41 | enouf | chlue: ask in #hardware perhaps - or a #cpufreq related channel or something - heck, try ##windows :-P |
| 13:04.45 | Ace2016_- | :sigh: |
| 13:05.28 | enouf | chlue: CONFIG_NOHZ can save some power, but you know this, no? |
| 13:05.51 | enouf | chlue: are you using the cpufrequtils pkg? (i forget) |
| 13:06.29 | chlue | enouf: I think I leave everything as it is, now. Unfortunate the market is still way more interessing about overclocking then about a quiet and cheap system. Yes cpufrequtils is installed and runs. |
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| 13:06.42 | Ace2016_- | _gm: basicly i used aptitude reinstall '~i' to tell it to reinstall everything, but it errors out, but gives a list of all the packages, then you do aptitude reinstall on each line, then at the end you do package by package by package on the lines that do not work as a whole line, you can do the obvious sections of lines in one go but some packages prefer to be kept alone |
| 13:07.21 | Ace2016_- | just out of curiosity what would one do if one deleted /usr/bin/*? |
| 13:07.41 | Ace2016_- | recursively deleted /usr/bin/* |
| 13:07.46 | valdyn | Ace2016_-: restore from backup |
| 13:08.17 | _gm | Ace2016_-: SlayerXP : my system is running ok, i have restord my /var/lib/ldap and /var/lib/mysql |
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| 13:08.29 | _gm | all i am worred about is what will happend if i reboot it |
| 13:08.47 | elik | _gm, nothing is ever wrong until you reboot :) |
| 13:08.59 | _gm | i have also copied /var/lib/initscripts from another debian machine |
| 13:09.39 | valdyn | _gm: /var isnt really needed to boot |
| 13:09.46 | _gm | hmmm |
| 13:09.49 | Ace2016_- | valdyn: i never make backups of anything other than ~/My Work |
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| 13:10.04 | _gm | valdyn: that's what want to make sure |
| 13:10.06 | valdyn | Ace2016_-: bad for you |
| 13:10.13 | _gm | luckily it was a dr site server |
| 13:10.34 | Ace2016_- | never thought i'd be dumb enough to wipe out a lot of data with a recursive delete as root |
| 13:10.51 | jelly | ... and now you know! |
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| 13:12.04 | jelly | Ace2016_-: grep -l ^/usr/bin /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list, reinstall those packages |
| 13:12.23 | valdyn | except that dpkg is not available |
| 13:12.28 | enouf | _gm: one thing you might try .. if /var is it's own partition, is use a ro mount option in /etc/fstab during reboot -- what for? not sure yet :-P |
| 13:12.30 | elik | oops |
| 13:12.42 | Ace2016_- | jelly: won't work, a dependency cycles |
| 13:12.48 | jelly | valdyn: hardly an insurmountable issue. |
| 13:12.57 | Ace2016_- | it says something like: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for x11-utils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 13:13.17 | valdyn | jelly: without a reboot? without a livecd? |
| 13:13.21 | sosperec | how can I convince debian to accept the storage's path change? I have a DS4100 |
| 13:13.30 | jelly | valdyn: I mist have missed those requirements |
| 13:13.31 | valdyn | jelly: im not sure how to download anything without /usr/bin/ |
| 13:13.51 | jelly | valdyn: I have sash installed for such occasions |
| 13:14.14 | enouf | windows sashes? |
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| 13:14.21 | jelly | Ace2016_-: so install both at the same time |
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| 13:15.03 | allah | hi |
| 13:15.13 | allah | how to config wpa2-psk tkip under console? |
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| 13:17.32 | enouf | allah: /msg dpkg wpasupplicant |
| 13:17.35 | enouf | perhaps |
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| 13:17.57 | _gm | i have previously profiled my ubuntu desktop's boot process here is the readahead file contents: http://pastebin.com/d67d4da9b |
| 13:18.19 | _gm | there are several files accessed from /var/lib directory |
| 13:18.38 | valdyn | _gm: none of which are required to boot |
| 13:18.52 | _gm | yes |
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| 13:18.57 | _gm | i guess i can reboot safely :) |
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| 13:19.14 | elik | _gm, I guess we can say see you later then... mouhahahaha! |
| 13:19.20 | _gm | :) |
| 13:19.36 | valdyn | _gm: ive booted debian plenty of times w/ broken / non existant var |
| 13:19.46 | _gm | valdyn: great |
| 13:19.52 | valdyn | _gm: it will boot ok, but services might do funny things |
| 13:20.06 | valdyn | _gm: like exim bouncing mail.. |
| 13:20.08 | _gm | valdyn: i have reconfigured my services |
| 13:20.20 | _gm | postfix, dovecot, openldap, mysql |
| 13:20.22 | _gm | and kerberos |
| 13:20.50 | enouf | reboot ; refix ; make backups |
| 13:21.23 | _gm | i am running bacula for ldap backup and postfix, kerberos are all ldap-backed |
| 13:21.28 | valdyn | _gm: do daily incremental backups, that does not really take alot of space |
| 13:21.48 | valdyn | _gm: and can be automated nicely |
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| 13:22.05 | _gm | valdyn: :) i am using bacula for backups, but never though of this day |
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| 13:33.13 | Fox_1_ | does anyone here configured bootsplash for lenny? |
| 13:34.12 | FilipeMaia | What's the easiest way to check what errno=17 corresponds to? |
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| 13:34.24 | azeem | FilipeMaia: /usr/include/bits/errno.h or so |
| 13:35.23 | azeem | FilipeMaia: /usr/include/asm-generic/errno-base.h rather |
| 13:35.26 | FilipeMaia | thanks |
| 13:36.39 | SlayerXP | _gm: well done, you now have a completely unmaintainable server. please send me your CV, i want to ensure i never accidentally hire you. |
| 13:37.09 | _gm | SlayerXP: :( |
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| 13:38.06 | _gm | SlayerXP: i have successfully recovered everything |
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| 13:41.01 | elik | SlayerXP, I'm sure you made a few mistakes in your life, haven't you? |
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| 13:42.17 | _gm | SlayerXP: btw, this was my ever first mistake in my 5 years of linux experience |
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| 13:44.57 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to change the permissions of a symbolic link? |
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| 13:47.08 | nkuttler | FilipeMaia: change the target's permission |
| 13:47.34 | FilipeMaia | Yes I realize it changes the target permission |
| 13:47.56 | FilipeMaia | So basically it does not make sense to talk about the permissions of a symlink right? |
| 13:48.02 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 13:57.52 | allah | how to config wpa2-psk tkip under console? |
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| 14:00.35 | liable | allah: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-psk-tkip.conf |
| 14:00.46 | allah | i know |
| 14:00.49 | allah | but this dont work |
| 14:00.56 | liable | !doesnt work |
| 14:00.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:00.58 | enouf | [08:16:52] <enouf> allah: /msg dpkg wpasupplicant [08:16:55] <enouf> perhaps |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | not UTC! |
| 14:01.15 | elik | enouf, I thought so |
| 14:01.20 | enouf | 'course not |
| 14:02.05 | elik | I love dpkg's sense of humor |
| 14:02.15 | allah | wpa_supplicant[2592]: segfault at 00000030 eip 080697ca esp bff05a60 error 4 |
| 14:02.20 | allah | that say you sth? |
| 14:02.22 | elik | btw, you'd need to add "it doesn't work" so the Define it makes sense |
| 14:02.29 | allah | can you help me now? |
| 14:02.37 | liable | allah: if its segfaulting, you need to file a bug |
| 14:02.51 | allah | ke? |
| 14:03.01 | liable | there is nothing we can help with |
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| 14:04.22 | chlue | lightsaber |
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| 14:04.49 | chlue | grr i should not have to keyboards in front of me |
| 14:05.00 | elik | lol |
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| 14:07.40 | enouf | elik: /msg dpkg lol for some more of; <elik> I love dpkg's sense of humor |
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| 14:08.21 | abrotman | chlue: look into synergy2 perhaps |
| 14:09.02 | elik | enouf, I don't lol at dpkg's comments anymore -_- |
| 14:09.12 | themill | abrotman: s/2// for the debian package though |
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| 14:09.27 | abrotman | i know .. |
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| 14:10.04 | abrotman | be nice if the package description said "synergy2" somewhere besides the URL |
| 14:11.02 | chlue | abrotman: this is only temporary until I have my new pc running as desired and stuff like synergy2 will not work in the bios or grub anyway i suppose. |
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| 14:12.44 | elik | chlue, of course not |
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| 14:13.33 | chlue | hm easiest way to share files beetween two debian system sitting by each other is sshfs I suppose? |
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| 14:16.15 | Ace2016_- | ok everything seems to be fine after the wiping of /usr/share and the reinstall but i can no longer write to /tmp |
| 14:16.53 | enouf | Ace2016_-: stat /tmp .. is it 1777? |
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| 14:17.26 | enouf | is /tmp it's own partition? |
| 14:17.50 | enouf | and who are you when 'you can't write ...' |
| 14:17.59 | Ace2016_- | its 755 |
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| 14:18.17 | Ace2016_- | an average user cannot write to it, i used touch testfile to check |
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| 14:18.40 | shams | hi, what is your opinion about this server: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/page/Live/hosting/dedicated/atom |
| 14:18.40 | shams | can it serve a big websites with php, mysql and apache? do you think that how many visitors can visit from our sites in one time? |
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| 14:19.38 | Ace2016_- | mount isn't showing tmpfs on /tmp |
| 14:19.57 | Ace2016_- | where is tmpfs usually mounted? |
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| 14:23.01 | baraka | hello i have 2 idetical hdd's, how can i copy the partition table from one to the other ? |
| 14:23.04 | Ace2016_- | only things in /usr/share should have been effected, |
| 14:23.18 | enouf | df -T |
| 14:23.40 | enouf | tmpfs isn't usually used for /tmp |
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| 14:23.54 | chlue | shams: I suspect you will get much more for the money if you rend a vserver. The atoms are not really famous for the processing power. They are great for powerconsumption, but apart from that,... |
| 14:24.10 | enouf | chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 14:24.43 | enouf | Access: (1777/drwxrwxrwt) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 14:24.54 | jelly | <enouf> tmpfs isn't usually used for /tmp # clearly a mistake in the default setup! |
| 14:25.14 | jelly | tmpfs 524288 12 524276 1% /tmp |
| 14:25.37 | Ace2016_- | enouf: that worked, but any idea what made it stop working? |
| 14:25.38 | enouf | jelly: heh - think about slowaris! |
| 14:26.15 | enouf | Ace2016_-: had root:root owned it as well? |
| 14:26.18 | Ace2016_- | why wouldn't tmpfs be used for /tmp? its temporarily and wiped on every reboot |
| 14:26.26 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 14:26.34 | enouf | not if you tell it not to |
| 14:26.49 | Ace2016_- | yup its owned by root |
| 14:26.50 | enouf | grep TMPTIME /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:27.27 | enouf | Ace2016_-: b/c with a tmpfs on /tmp, some runaway process can fill your disk .. easily |
| 14:27.42 | valdyn | uh |
| 14:27.43 | jelly | if it were tmpfs, it would definitely get wiped at reboot |
| 14:27.45 | enouf | er |
| 14:27.52 | valdyn | ram |
| 14:27.53 | enouf | crash your RAM , i meant ;-) |
| 14:27.59 | Ace2016_- | oh ok |
| 14:28.07 | jelly | enouf: so limit its size, like I did |
| 14:28.17 | themill | enouf: I believe there is a popular debian derivative that uses tmpfs for /tmp by default. |
| 14:28.26 | enouf | sure .. not saying one cannot use it at all |
| 14:28.34 | Ace2016_- | themill: knoppix? |
| 14:28.47 | enouf | themill: heh .. hush! |
| 14:28.48 | jelly | it wouldn't be called that way if it wasn't usable for /tmp! |
| 14:28.56 | valdyn | umm |
| 14:29.49 | Ace2016_- | enouf TMPTIME=0 |
| 14:29.52 | enouf | jelly: i suppose configfs is called as such for a reason as well! |
| 14:29.53 | jelly | hm... now, why are my /var/run and /var/tmp not tmpfs! |
| 14:30.03 | enouf | haha |
| 14:30.06 | jelly | enouf: configfs isn't stolen from solaris. |
| 14:30.18 | enouf | just a small example |
| 14:30.35 | enouf | Ace2016_-: correct - it is that as default, but can be altered there |
| 14:30.47 | jelly | goes on a tmpfs rampage |
| 14:30.50 | Ace2016_- | thanks |
| 14:31.00 | enouf | jelly: tell the ramdisk users! |
| 14:31.01 | craigevil | has /tmp /var/tmp /var/log on tmpfs on my eee |
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| 14:31.46 | enouf | jelly: and they'll smite back with - but i need to have my application in RAM at all times, i don't want it swapped out! ever! |
| 14:31.58 | jelly | making /var/log volatile is clearly a blasphemy! |
| 14:32.06 | ribasushi | is there a way to get _just_ a debian installer? |
| 14:32.20 | ribasushi | like if I am booted into a live cd, and want to install on empty hard drives |
| 14:32.21 | azeem | ribasushi: what for? |
| 14:32.22 | jelly | craigevil: my aspire one doesn't run syslog at all... problem solved |
| 14:32.23 | SlayerXP | ribasushi: yes, the debian-installer project |
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| 14:33.00 | craigevil | jelly: yes but doesnt klogd log to /var/log ? i have syslog off |
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| 14:33.33 | jelly | craigevil: no need for klogd either, I guess |
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| 14:33.47 | jelly | dmesg should be enough for everyone |
| 14:34.16 | enouf | ribasushi: best might be see http://goodbye-windows.com ? i believe there's a very small download script that then goes and grabs whatever it needs |
| 14:34.22 | ribasushi | jelly: and when a printk explosion overruns your buffer you do what exactly...? |
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| 14:34.42 | jelly | ribasushi: ignore it |
| 14:34.43 | enouf | ribasushi: but purpose is kind of important to answer your query properly |
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| 14:35.28 | ribasushi | enouf: remote installation - want to install it correctly myself instead of having the local guys do something and then keep cleaning it up |
| 14:35.41 | ribasushi | enouf: so I can get them to boot me into a livecd with sshd running, and I can login |
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| 14:35.57 | ribasushi | from there I want to kickstart an install like I'd do locally |
| 14:37.07 | ribasushi | enouf: I think there were some bootstrapping packages in debian too, but I think they are for chroots only - i.e. can't produce a bootable system on which to build upon with apt |
| 14:37.12 | enouf | maybe preseeding with network console? .. hrm, or debootstrap over ssh? |
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| 14:38.35 | enouf | well .. think about this - if Joe Bonehead puts in a LiveCD and tells the BIOS to boot from CDROM as 1st boot device - guess what happens when you go to reboot ;-) |
| 14:39.26 | enouf | So now .. you've just found more reasons/work to have Joe Bonehead perform some tasks |
| 14:39.38 | ribasushi | eh? |
| 14:39.46 | ribasushi | the cd is out already |
| 14:39.48 | ribasushi | finnix/toram |
| 14:40.10 | enouf | ok .. another option indeed ;-) debirf even |
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| 14:42.46 | nn64 | is there a auto configure command for xorg on debian ? |
| 14:42.52 | enouf | ribasushi: i'm going to mention some possible pkgs that might be of interest, not sure, a) bootcd b) systemimager{-*} and ofcourse debootstrap, and there are some others - also maybe /msg dpkg live |
| 14:43.16 | ribasushi | I'll try debootstrap |
| 14:43.21 | ribasushi | it seems to do more than I thought |
| 14:43.22 | ribasushi | thanks |
| 14:43.52 | ribasushi | enouf: incidentally - do you know what is the boot parameter to disable timestamps on printk's ? |
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| 14:44.00 | dazjorz | debootstrap <3 |
| 14:44.03 | dazjorz | run it everywhere! |
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| 14:48.03 | enouf | ribasushi: printk.*= |
| 14:48.09 | enouf | IIRC |
| 14:48.20 | enouf | not sure if it's in Lenny .26 .. |
| 14:49.00 | khaije1 | so i want to mount some lvm volumes, they are listed in lvdisplay but they aren't showing up in /dev |
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| 14:49.06 | khaije1 | anyone know what i'm missing? |
| 14:49.09 | enouf | yeah, printk.time= |
| 14:49.24 | ribasushi | hm |
| 14:49.31 | ribasushi | this was too obvious to miss it in google |
| 14:49.43 | baraka | hello i have 2 idetical hdd's, one has linux installed, how can i make an identical partition setup on the 2nd one ? |
| 14:49.47 | enouf | there's others as well, like early.printk= , etc |
| 14:50.13 | OldMonk | baraka: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb (substitute your disk names for sda, sdb) |
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| 14:50.33 | jelly | OldMonk: that will copy the disks contents as well |
| 14:50.34 | OldMonk | baraka: better make sure there's nothing on /dev/sdb first, though :) |
| 14:50.37 | enouf | ribasushi: one bookmark to always have handy ;-) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.8/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 14:51.02 | enouf | wth am i doing in .26.8 though :-p |
| 14:51.04 | jelly | baraka: sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb ... man sfdisk |
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| 14:51.42 | ribasushi | proper link bookmarked |
| 14:51.45 | ribasushi | enouf++ |
| 14:51.48 | OldMonk | baraka: ah, just the partitions? then what jelly said |
| 14:52.20 | baraka | jelly: worked perfect thanks |
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| 15:01.40 | newsense | i installed apt-listchanges and have updated a few packages but im not getting any output from apt-listchanges |
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| 15:02.46 | enouf | newsense: er .. dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges ? |
| 15:03.22 | newsense | havent tried it let me give that a shot |
| 15:03.58 | newsense | enouf, i should get an email right if there are and diffs in the news or changelog correct ? |
| 15:04.15 | enouf | newsense: when i use it, it'll list them in a /tmp/tmp-SOME-HEX-here named file, then Display them to me in less (xterm) then i hit 'q' after reviewing and the installation continues - and a mail is sent to wherever i set it to send to |
| 15:04.22 | enouf | yes |
| 15:04.39 | enouf | mine goes into /var/mail/username |
| 15:04.47 | newsense | yeah thats what i was expecting |
| 15:05.04 | enouf | newsense: i have it email me (username) and root |
| 15:05.41 | newsense | yeah i guess i just have to set it up there are some config options when i reconfigured it |
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| 15:07.54 | newsense | enouf, thanks im sure itll work next time an upgrade is found now that i reconfigured it |
| 15:08.29 | enouf | newsense: fwiw - apt-listchanges: |
| 15:08.29 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.45 | enouf | 2.83 is avail to me though |
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| 15:09.57 | sLg | hello all, can someone give me good howto for cinergy usb hybrid t xs *analog tv!) Picture works fine but no sound... |
| 15:10.38 | sLg | mazbe someone has same usb tv card and can help me |
| 15:10.58 | newsense | maybe #hardware ? |
| 15:11.06 | enouf | maybe #v4l |
| 15:11.15 | newsense | yeah even better there ya go |
| 15:11.38 | enouf | [10:10:42] -ALIS- #v4l 51 :video4linux / analog video support * mercurial repo howto @ |
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| 15:12.43 | sLg | so i should compile video4linux from scratch yes? |
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| 15:12.58 | enouf | no, visit the channel |
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| 15:13.11 | sLg | k thanks |
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| 15:14.34 | enouf | newsense: do you allow the /etc/cron.{daily,weekly} etc scripts to run? |
| 15:15.14 | newsense | for what ? |
| 15:16.09 | newsense | apt ? |
| 15:16.20 | enouf | newsense: so then 'updatedb' runs once a day |
| 15:16.35 | newsense | yeah i do |
| 15:16.36 | stoned | Interactive shell |
| 15:16.37 | stoned | php > |
| 15:16.45 | stoned | yay! |
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| 15:18.23 | GhostlyDeath | How would I do a byte for byte comparison between two files? |
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| 15:18.48 | stoned | diff ? |
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| 15:19.04 | GhostlyDeath | diff does binary? |
| 15:19.07 | enouf | newsense: nm about updatedb, i was thinking about something, but it's not related -- anyways, is cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges populated with 2 lines? |
| 15:19.33 | newsense | enouf, yes it is |
| 15:19.40 | enouf | ok |
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| 15:20.42 | newsense | it should work next time than right i set it to display one line at a time and email me and root also set it to display news and changelog |
| 15:21.09 | chlue | GhostlyDeath: create a checksum of both files and compare the checksums is usually enough to know if the files are identicall. |
| 15:21.23 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: man cmp |
| 15:21.24 | newsense | i got no output from listchanges the last few updtes i got but that was before the reconfigure |
| 15:21.40 | OldMonk | you can just cmp them to figure if they're different |
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| 15:22.21 | martiiin | How do I make my debian machine to not ask for a username/password on boot? |
| 15:23.16 | newsense | martiiin, maybe from init.d i would think |
| 15:23.33 | enouf | newsense: yeah, i'm thinking if you installed a new pkg you never had yet (something small/useful like configure-debian, or dlocate, or lshw, hdparm or whatever) it might trigger, but i can't be certain |
| 15:23.42 | stoned | !dbugs #197196 |
| 15:23.45 | dpkg | DONE:#197196:N[wnpp] O: php-gtk -- PHP extension for GTK+ client-side cross-platform GUI apps. (); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:48:02 UTC [] |
| 15:23.59 | stoned | it used to be packaged |
| 15:24.01 | newsense | martiiin, possobly uncheck rmnologin for the runlevel you wqant no login prompt |
| 15:24.07 | stoned | I wonder what happened |
| 15:24.11 | newsense | im not 100% on that though |
| 15:24.48 | stoned | I intend to orphan the php-gtk package. |
| 15:24.48 | newsense | enouf, cool thank you, guess ill have to wait till i get an update to verify |
| 15:25.03 | stoned | so the previous maintainer has abandoned the php5-gtk2 module |
| 15:25.20 | stoned | I also did not see this in wnpp list (or I must have missed it somehow) |
| 15:25.27 | martiiin | Ok, newsense, how do I run this thing. Nano rmnologin just bring up some code |
| 15:26.02 | simonrvn | stoned: we're not the ones to tell that to |
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| 15:26.46 | stoned | simonrvn, what? |
| 15:26.47 | newsense | martiiin, like i said im not 100% sure if thats how you would do it might want to get a second opinion but if im right youd want to change the symlink in the rc.*.d for the runlevel you want to remove the login and change the S to a K for rmnologin |
| 15:26.51 | WormFood | martiiin, read the getty (agetty) man page, that may help you |
| 15:27.03 | simonrvn | stoned: email debian-devel |
| 15:27.06 | martiiin | The what? :p |
| 15:27.23 | newsense | dude init.d symlink |
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| 15:27.49 | simonrvn | if you intend to adopt a package, then you need to do it via the proper channels |
| 15:27.51 | WormFood | martiiin, I know it can be configured to not ask for a username, perhaps if you have no password, it will drop you to a shell |
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| 15:28.22 | simonrvn | file appropriate bugs, etc. |
| 15:28.26 | martiiin | I got a server with no keyboard, Ive i want to restart it i dont want to plugg in some things all the time |
| 15:29.03 | newsense | i know runlevel 1 S and 6 have dont have rmnologin running and theres no login for those runlevels so i think it would do the same for a multiuser runlevel if you didnt have it runnung |
| 15:29.14 | WormFood | I don't understand martiiin, what are you going to do to restart it? ssh into it? |
| 15:29.38 | OldMonk | martiiin: it doesn't boot at all without a keyboard? |
| 15:29.43 | martiiin | It does |
| 15:29.53 | OldMonk | what do you need a kayboard for, then? |
| 15:30.08 | WormFood | the -l option to getty will allow you to specify a login program, just set that to bash |
| 15:30.20 | martiiin | I just have a computer standing here without any keyboard or screens, I just want to disable the login at boot. |
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| 15:30.39 | WormFood | you don't want it to offer you to login at boot time? |
| 15:30.40 | Worf | martiiin: and if there is no keyboard, why would one login at all? |
| 15:30.40 | liable | you cant |
| 15:30.44 | OldMonk | martiiin: not clear |
| 15:30.52 | WormFood | I understand what you want...I think |
| 15:31.02 | WormFood | and what you ask for, is not really what you want |
| 15:31.17 | newsense | know im curious anyone know if removing rmnologin on a multiuser runlevel would bypass login prompt ? |
| 15:31.18 | WormFood | if you have some problems, and make the machine non-bootable, you'll have a bitch of a time fixing it |
| 15:31.23 | liable | why bother? if someone has physical access, you cant do anything about it (other than a bios password) |
| 15:31.24 | martiiin | Click the button, he load the system 100% without asking for username/password |
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| 15:31.40 | WormFood | you don't need a username/password to load the system anyways |
| 15:31.42 | martiiin | Someone wont have physical access |
| 15:31.50 | martiiin | Only me |
| 15:31.52 | liable | so why bother? |
| 15:32.01 | WormFood | if you don't want it to offer you to login, then comment out all the getty lines in /etc/inittab |
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| 15:32.05 | liable | what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:32.11 | WormFood | when I have a remote server, I disable all logins, except one |
| 15:32.17 | enouf | i can't tell |
| 15:32.28 | MJ__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.39 | elik | you better get that system right in the first place... as WormFood said.. will be hard as hell to debug |
| 15:32.40 | martiiin | I dont understand whats so hard to understand, I just want to remove the god damn loginscreen on boot? |
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| 15:32.45 | OldMonk | either he's confused, or the rest of the world is :) |
| 15:32.50 | martiiin | Do i have to speak in another language? |
| 15:32.50 | Blues-Man | hi all |
| 15:32.56 | WormFood | I told you how martiiin |
| 15:32.56 | Worf | maybe there is a mouse he wants to work with? ( hard to type a password with only a mouse, that could justify autologin ) |
| 15:32.58 | mordain | can anyone recommend a program to report how long a command takes ? eg ptime find -blah | sort runtime = 20.34 secs |
| 15:33.04 | OldMonk | martiiin: after the computer boots, you don't want it to offer a login? |
| 15:33.07 | enouf | no you do not want that |
| 15:33.09 | martiiin | No, i dont |
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| 15:33.13 | petemc | mordain: time |
| 15:33.15 | liable | martiiin: why? |
| 15:33.16 | themill | mordain: time. See help time |
| 15:33.16 | elik | martiiin, we don't beleive in assisted suicide here :D |
| 15:33.27 | Blues-Man | I've launched a java application tought rc.local but is a blockin one, it has been started before sshd, how can I remove it from rc.local now? |
| 15:33.29 | mordain | thanks =) |
| 15:33.29 | WormFood | I told you how to have it login without a username/password, and how to disable logins completely |
| 15:33.31 | OldMonk | martiiin: then disable all the getty lines in inittab, and disable the x display manager |
| 15:33.34 | WormFood | what more do you want martiiin? |
| 15:34.02 | WormFood | I forgot about xdm/etc...I ALWAYS login to a console, then startx manually |
| 15:34.08 | OldMonk | martiiin: then it will boot, but it won't allow anyone to login, which is kind of stupid but i guess you know what you're doing |
| 15:34.11 | WormFood | but a server should not be running X |
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| 15:34.13 | simonrvn | mordain: /usr/bin/time or bash's built-in one |
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| 15:34.36 | WormFood | martiiin, I'm a little curious...how long have you been using linux? |
| 15:34.43 | martiiin | 2 days |
| 15:34.50 | elik | :) |
| 15:34.52 | elik | :D |
| 15:34.53 | WormFood | that explains it |
| 15:35.00 | martiiin | Well, you have to learn the hard way |
| 15:35.05 | WormFood | indeed |
| 15:35.13 | WormFood | sometimes breaking things is the fastest way to learn |
| 15:35.27 | OldMonk | breaking a server is a Bad Idea (tm) |
| 15:35.29 | enouf | i'm good at that |
| 15:35.30 | WormFood | when I first got win95, I had installed it 3 times within 24 hours, after breaking it every time |
| 15:35.40 | enouf | comes naturally to me |
| 15:35.42 | martiiin | Well, I am on a mission. Far beyond your understanding |
| 15:35.47 | WormFood | anyways martiiin, I explained it to you |
| 15:35.52 | martiiin | yup, you did |
| 15:35.54 | WormFood | I told you exactly what to do |
| 15:35.54 | elik | >.> |
| 15:35.55 | OldMonk | martiiin: you're putting it in a public place |
| 15:36.13 | elik | s/mission/Mission |
| 15:36.22 | enouf | Accomplished! |
| 15:36.24 | WormFood | do you want it to not offer you to login, or do you want it to login without a username/password? |
| 15:36.40 | WormFood | vi /etc/inittab |
| 15:36.59 | enouf | WormFood: the latter, iiuc |
| 15:37.03 | WormFood | oh wait, you don't know how to use vi...use pico or nano or something gay like that. |
| 15:37.08 | OldMonk | WormFood: it shifted from one to the other during the discussion |
| 15:37.14 | WormFood | ok |
| 15:37.14 | Worf | sometimes it's better to tell what you want to do in general than to ask for details about how to do some specific part of your (questionable) solution |
| 15:37.27 | elik | Worf s/sometimes/always |
| 15:37.33 | stoned | simonrvn, nah, I'm on it |
| 15:37.43 | stoned | simonrvn, I got instructions on how to set myself as the owner of that bug |
| 15:37.51 | keith4 | I have a debian box that auto logs in |
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| 15:37.58 | martiiin | Anyone, While I am still here I could ask about another issue of mine. http://pastebin.com/m34e27769 xorg.conf I am trying to add a extra resolution but it dont seems to work |
| 15:38.12 | dazjorz | keith4: console or x? |
| 15:38.16 | OldMonk | martiiin: /var/log/Xorg.0.log or something |
| 15:38.20 | WormFood | keith4, how did you do it? change getty options in inittab? |
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| 15:38.21 | dazjorz | (gdm, kdm or ?dm?) |
| 15:38.25 | elik | xorg.conf and no login don't mix well |
| 15:38.27 | keith4 | in fact, it auto logs in, starts X, starts an xterm, and starts mythfrontend |
| 15:38.33 | dazjorz | ah |
| 15:38.42 | dazjorz | I have this project where I need it to auto-run too |
| 15:38.48 | Worf | so martiiin made all of us curious and now changes the topic? or did i miss something? :) |
| 15:38.55 | keith4 | i documented this, somewhere, because it was tricky to figure out |
| 15:38.55 | WormFood | martiiin, what are you doing? running a server or a X workstation? |
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| 15:39.00 | dazjorz | currently, gdm auto-logs in then starts a program when running |
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| 15:39.15 | dazjorz | but I figure starting the x-server without a window manager would work just as fine for a full-screen program |
| 15:39.21 | martiiin | Wormfood, I am running a server but I cant see in this fucked up res |
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| 15:39.41 | WormFood | crtl-alt-- and ctrl-alt-+ |
| 15:39.44 | WormFood | I think |
| 15:39.46 | WormFood | I forget |
| 15:39.48 | OldMonk | martiiin: so you don't want X started after boot? |
| 15:39.49 | enouf | !fbcon resolution |
| 15:39.49 | dpkg | somebody said fbcon resolution was run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 15:39.50 | WormFood | is that right guys? |
| 15:40.10 | dazjorz | I doubt it WormFood |
| 15:40.20 | dazjorz | a key combination for changing resolutions? |
| 15:40.25 | OldMonk | WormFood: yeah, using keypad + and - |
| 15:40.26 | dazjorz | whoa |
| 15:40.26 | enouf | WormFood: for changing X res, yes |
| 15:40.33 | dazjorz | really? |
| 15:40.36 | dazjorz | interesting |
| 15:40.36 | Worf | WormFood: you can swithc with ctrl alt +/- trough your configured x resolutions, yes |
| 15:40.39 | keith4 | dazjorz: http://rafb.net/p/KSuKEy74.html |
| 15:40.39 | enouf | ctrl-alt-+/- |
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| 15:40.57 | dazjorz | btw, I'm getting some errors when compiling apt, already in the configure phase |
| 15:41.09 | enouf | WormFood: for changing (through your preconfigured res's in xorg.conf) X res, yes |
| 15:41.16 | dazjorz | i.e. dirname: missing operand when checking for dot |
| 15:41.16 | MJ__ | ok guys i need the sorce for dpkg robot is any one can help me out? |
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| 15:41.25 | dazjorz | and it can't figure out which version of glibc I have, but that's because I don't have glibc |
| 15:42.04 | enouf | dazjorz: see libc6 source |
| 15:42.21 | enouf | apt-cache showsrc libc6 |
| 15:42.27 | enouf | !deb-src |
| 15:42.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 15:42.32 | keith4 | MJ__: /msg dpkg infobot |
| 15:42.44 | simonrvn | stoned: alright.. |
| 15:42.44 | enouf | or dpkgbot ;-) |
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| 15:43.08 | dazjorz | hmm, packages.debian.org having issues |
| 15:43.18 | enouf | think martiiin and WormFood eloped O_o |
| 15:43.20 | dazjorz | enouf: I have an alternative to glibc |
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| 15:43.45 | enouf | dazjorz: ohn03z .. not cygwin related .. again!? |
| 15:43.58 | dazjorz | enouf: uh-oh, you've got me |
| 15:44.06 | enouf | !nailed |
| 15:44.07 | keith4 | screwed |
| 15:44.18 | WormFood | no, I just hit the <backspace> key, because of my big fuckin' fingers, on this tiny laptop keyboard, when I was trying to remember what key sequence changes the screen resolution |
| 15:44.32 | enouf | haha |
| 15:44.36 | martiiin | enouf, that res thing your printed out. I cant find any line in that document that match the # kopt= |
| 15:44.43 | OldMonk | hehheh |
| 15:44.53 | enouf | martiiin: what? |
| 15:45.04 | martiiin | <enouf> !fbcon resolution |
| 15:45.12 | martiiin | !fbcon resolution |
| 15:45.12 | dpkg | from memory, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 15:45.19 | enouf | martiiin: oh .. yes, well did you run update-grub? |
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| 15:45.33 | martiiin | havent changed anything yet, just installed the hwinfo |
| 15:45.34 | dazjorz | martiiin: wait, wait |
| 15:45.35 | enouf | oh wait .. waht? |
| 15:45.40 | dazjorz | martiiin: you're changing the framebuffer resolution |
| 15:45.47 | enouf | martiiin: using grub2 ? |
| 15:45.49 | dazjorz | martiiin: you found out what framebuffer it understands, add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 15:45.54 | enouf | using LiLo? |
| 15:45.59 | dazjorz | martiiin: I'm guessing you're talking about the X-server here, right? |
| 15:45.59 | enouf | dazjorz: no |
| 15:46.08 | enouf | and no |
| 15:46.16 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 15:46.24 | dazjorz | martiiin: X-server or framebuffer? |
| 15:46.25 | enouf | i'm not, that's for sure ;-) |
| 15:46.33 | dazjorz | enouf: yeah ;) |
| 15:46.42 | dazjorz | yay, packages.debian.org is back |
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| 15:46.50 | c369 | hey, im trying to setup a raid 0 system using the lenny installer; so i chose sda1 as ext 3 for /boot and sda2,sda3,sda4,sdb1,sdb2,sdb3 as raid; unfortunately the md manager does show all but sdb1 for raid, why is that? |
| 15:46.51 | OldMonk | later |
| 15:46.55 | martiiin | dazjorz sorry for my lack of understanding, what you mean? xorg.conf? |
| 15:47.00 | WormFood | I'm confused...if martiiin has a server, then why in the fuck is he trying to run X on it? |
| 15:47.11 | enouf | WormFood: he isn't - afaict |
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| 15:47.31 | dazjorz | WormFood: because new guys don't understand the problem between servers and X |
| 15:47.40 | enouf | WormFood: that Xorg issue is about the other PC, that he would ssh from into the server |
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| 15:47.46 | dazjorz | a friend of mine runs X and KDE on the machine he always called server, I made him call it media center |
| 15:47.51 | dazjorz | just because I was annoyed by him calling it a server |
| 15:47.57 | Tekno | ;p |
| 15:48.06 | enouf | dazjorz: perfect |
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| 15:48.26 | dazjorz | martiiin: are you running X11 or not? |
| 15:48.32 | martiiin | Yep |
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| 15:48.40 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 15:48.54 | enouf | martiiin: ". I cant find any line in that document that match the # kopt= " <--- what document? |
| 15:48.57 | dazjorz | martiiin: so modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add the resolution you want |
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| 15:49.06 | WormFood | servers can run X11 apps, and display them on a different machine |
| 15:49.07 | martiiin | I did that, I posted a pastebin of my xorg a while ago |
| 15:49.12 | dazjorz | enouf: grub, which is wrong, because he doesn't want to modify the framebuffer, he wants to modify the X server resolution |
| 15:49.15 | martiiin | http://pastebin.com/m34e27769 |
| 15:49.18 | dazjorz | WormFood: that's what I do a lot ;) |
| 15:49.18 | WormFood | but a true server would never need graphics, or a video display for that matter |
| 15:49.21 | enouf | martiiin: on the Server that you originally wanted nologin on? |
| 15:49.31 | dazjorz | WormFood: I agree |
| 15:49.33 | enouf | martiiin: "X11" on the Server that you originally wanted nologin on? |
| 15:49.40 | simonrvn | headless++ |
| 15:49.53 | enouf | bingo |
| 15:49.53 | dazjorz | martiiin: see this list of SubSection "Display" ? |
| 15:49.59 | martiiin | yup |
| 15:50.03 | enouf | dazjorz: no |
| 15:50.04 | dazjorz | enouf: yeah - he probably wants nologin in this wm then. |
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| 15:50.10 | enouf | martiiin: ". I cant find any line in that document that match the # kopt= " <--- what document? |
| 15:50.18 | dazjorz | martiiin: what resolution and depth do you want to add? |
| 15:50.26 | martiiin | I already added the 1280x1024 |
| 15:50.28 | martiiin | as you can see |
| 15:50.30 | dazjorz | enouf: menu.lst! |
| 15:50.44 | enouf | ok, into the bozo box you BOTH go! |
| 15:50.59 | enouf | dazjorz: please stop answering for others - thanks |
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| 15:51.05 | dazjorz | enouf: okay sure :/ |
| 15:51.53 | keith4 | martiiin: look in your xserver log |
| 15:51.55 | simonrvn | crap, nicing that didn't help much for the load avg. never really does. |
| 15:52.31 | martiiin | What do you want me to look for? |
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| 15:53.16 | martiiin | (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1280x1024" (hsync out of range) |
| 15:53.17 | martiiin | that? |
| 15:54.05 | enouf | WormFood: as you know, i think you do anyways, if an X server is running a headless box, all he needs is a DM to autologin nicely - however, i have NO FRIGGIN IDEA what this guy has, nor what he's trying to do ;-) |
| 15:54.32 | enouf | s/running on a/ |
| 15:54.40 | martiiin | change the resolution, for the 5th time |
| 15:54.42 | martiiin | forget the past |
| 15:54.51 | Eulex | martiiin, fix the hsync setting. |
| 15:54.53 | WormFood | yeah enouf, I know ;) |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | s/nicely across reboots/ |
| 15:55.08 | WormFood | I've been running Linux since 1995, and using unix-like OSes since the mid-late 1980s |
| 15:55.30 | simonrvn | WormFood: ooh, an oldbie |
| 15:55.33 | martiiin | Eulex, how do I know what hsync i should have? |
| 15:55.37 | WormFood | yup |
| 15:55.41 | enouf | but you didn't recall ctrl-alt-+/- ;-) |
| 15:56.19 | Eulex | martiiin, the manual of your monitor will tell you. or just guess; modern monitors won't be damaged by bad hsync/vsync values |
| 15:56.27 | WormFood | I would have started running Linux in 1994...I wanted to buy a book, that had a slackware CD in it, but I left my money at home, and my mom didn't think I should spent my money on it, and wouldn't loan me the money until we got back to my house |
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| 15:56.40 | WormFood | years later, she said I was right about Linux coming up in the world, and being big |
| 15:56.50 | martiiin | Help me find a good guess then, this is my current value HorizSync 28-51 |
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| 15:57.05 | WormFood | and I was in a different city, so it wasn't easy to go back to that bookstore after I got home :( |
| 15:57.21 | WormFood | I lived in Ocala, and the bookstore with that Linux book was in Gainesville |
| 15:57.23 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.28 | Eulex | martiiin, I'd just increase a little until it works, as long as you have a modern monitor |
| 15:57.30 | c369 | hey, im trying to setup a raid 0 system using the lenny installer; so i chose sda1 as ext 3 for /boot and sda2,sda3,sda4,sdb1,sdb2,sdb3 as raid; unfortunately the md manager does show all but sdb1 for raid, why is that? <-- anyone? :( |
| 15:57.33 | simonrvn | martiiin: try dat ^^^ |
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| 15:57.37 | Eulex | increase upper limit, that is |
| 15:57.58 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 15:58.12 | martiiin | Any fast command to reload the X thingy? |
| 15:58.51 | simonrvn | WormFood: ocala, that's n. dakota or something? |
| 15:58.54 | dazjorz | ctrl + alt + backspace, martiiin |
| 15:58.57 | WormFood | I wished to fuck people would quit calling that "raid 0"....at best it should be called "aid 0", because there is no redundancy there |
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| 15:59.01 | dazjorz | it's called an "X server" |
| 15:59.03 | WormFood | no, google it |
| 15:59.09 | enouf | simonrvn: FLA |
| 15:59.12 | WormFood | yes |
| 15:59.17 | WormFood | Florida ;) |
| 15:59.19 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 15:59.23 | dazjorz | !fla |
| 15:59.23 | dpkg | FLA is the TLA for Four Letter Acronym. or the same as a ETLA |
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| 15:59.35 | enouf | WormFood: Gainesville? ewww :-p |
| 15:59.35 | dazjorz | :D |
| 15:59.49 | dazjorz | ... |
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| 15:59.53 | dazjorz | yeah, thank you too |
| 16:00.02 | simonrvn | duh, should've guessed from 'gainesville' |
| 16:00.06 | WormFood | Gainesville green is some killer weed ;) |
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| 16:00.22 | enouf | WormFood: ooops.. i was thinking Texas :-P |
| 16:00.35 | WormFood | I was born in Taxas |
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| 16:00.41 | enouf | ... |
| 16:00.44 | WormFood | but I'm from Florida |
| 16:00.50 | WormFood | I'm a floridian born in texas |
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| 16:00.55 | martiiin | Worked like a charm |
| 16:00.59 | WormFood | my dad was in the airforce when I was a kid |
| 16:01.00 | enouf | thank goodness you left |
| 16:01.16 | enouf | you'd likely be already on death row, awaiting execution |
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| 16:01.22 | WormFood | yeah, I hate it when people say president shrub is from texas....I have to teach them he is from maine |
| 16:01.33 | juniorsa | Hi, I have md installed with 1 mirrorred drive, it seems like grub is not properly installed on one of the mirrors as the 1 drive is failing and if I remove that drive I only get a message saying grub when it tries to boot, how do I make sure the other drive could boot as well, the bootable one is hda1 and the other drive in the mirror is sdb1 |
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| 16:01.44 | WormFood | I did better than leave taxas...I left the whole god damn country |
| 16:02.09 | WormFood | I should have left usa 20 years ago |
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| 16:06.00 | enouf | juniorsa: either install grub onto the MBR of mirror drive, entirely, or use the grub shell 'install' command to tell it where to find grubs other parts - then also move the mirror drive into 1st drive slot |
| 16:06.25 | enouf | juniorsa: make backups of data elsewhere prior to messing with this |
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| 16:06.39 | juniorsa | could you help with a command to install grub on sdb? |
| 16:06.44 | jelly | juniorsa: no easy way; you have to install grub manually on the second drive |
| 16:06.46 | juniorsa | enouf: I do have a backup thanks |
| 16:07.08 | enouf | juniorsa: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html is about as easy as it gets ;-) |
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| 16:07.19 | juniorsa | enouf: thanks I will read |
| 16:07.31 | enouf | juniorsa: also /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 16:07.55 | juniorsa | enouf: don't know what that means? sorry |
| 16:08.12 | enouf | !+tell juniorsa -about msgthbot |
| 16:08.12 | dpkg | i dunno what is 'msgthbot'. |
| 16:08.18 | enouf | !+tell juniorsa -about msgthebot |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | told juniorsa about msgthebot. |
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| 16:08.23 | juniorsa | enouf: in the link it refers to (hd0,0) dos that need to change? |
| 16:08.36 | enouf | juniorsa: look in your other windows for a Private msg from dpkg |
| 16:08.48 | juniorsa | enouf: thanks |
| 16:09.01 | enouf | juniorsa: read more of the manual - (hd0,0) is 1st system HDD |
| 16:09.09 | enouf | juniorsa: read more of the manual - (hd0,0) is 1st system HDD + 1st partition |
| 16:09.41 | enouf | juniorsa: (just bury this away for now, in grub2 (hd0,1) is ) |
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| 16:10.44 | juniorsa | enouf: (hd0,1) is the 2nd hard disk corresponding to sdb is there some command that would give me the mapping of hd0,0 and hd1,0 to which devices? |
| 16:11.32 | martiiin | I am trying to install the nvidia drivers and to do so I had to shut down the X server. And so I did and then i get into this text based phase and then i type sh file and it tells me i need to be root. How do I use the root terminal when X is off? |
| 16:11.42 | enouf | juniorsa: you want hd0 or hd1 , no partition installation |
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| 16:12.06 | H2S04 | enouf enough! |
| 16:12.13 | enouf | juniorsa: /boot/grub/device.map is generated and populated when you install the 1st time, but it guesses |
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| 16:13.48 | juniorsa | enouf device map doesn't even show sdb, sorry but I am confused, it shows hd0 as hda and hd1 as sda which is the new drive that would replace hda |
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| 16:14.20 | martiiin | How do I use the root terminal from the terminal when X is off? |
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| 16:14.42 | WormFood | martiiin, "su -" |
| 16:14.59 | aoeu | if i use linux software raid1, and a drive fails, what happens? does linux just shut down and there's no loss of data? |
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| 16:15.00 | martiiin | i tried sudo but it told me it wasnt a sudoer file |
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| 16:15.21 | enouf | juniorsa: remember i mentioned " then also move the mirror drive into 1st drive slot" if hd1 gets moved into hd0's slot, it becomes hd0 according to grub, but hd1 is never looked to when booting, so long as hd0 exists (unless one installs grub with unusual options) (which is why hd1 needs to be setup properly, for itself) But, also note, it might be easier just to alter the Drive boot order in the BIOS when you want to perform the hd1 boot |
| 16:15.39 | martiiin | WormFood you want me to type su - sh file.run or what are you trying to say? |
| 16:16.01 | juniorsa | enouf: the 1st slot is an ide, I can't put the sdb(sata) in the 1st slot |
| 16:16.23 | enouf | ewww |
| 16:16.23 | newsense | martiiin, type su enter root password |
| 16:16.42 | enouf | then you get to play with BIOS options |
| 16:17.06 | WormFood | sadly shakes his head |
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| 16:17.13 | WormFood | read the "su" manpage |
| 16:17.25 | WormFood | we'll help you, but we won't spoon feed you |
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| 16:18.38 | newsense | sometimes ya gotta feed them their first few bites than they can feed themselves :) |
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| 16:19.17 | simonrvn | no, because then they think they can expect that, and get pissed when people don't. |
| 16:19.23 | WormFood | whenever I asked for help, and someone said to type a command, I ALWAYS read the manpage, before I ran it, so I could learn more |
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| 16:19.39 | enouf | you're not human! |
| 16:19.45 | enouf | runs |
| 16:19.49 | newsense | yeah thats common sense but a lot of people will blindly run it |
| 16:20.12 | nsadmin | WormFood: good point... but notice he's asking you to clarify your statement |
| 16:20.19 | Worf | let me try that.... everybody please run "dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda" ... |
| 16:20.40 | newsense | guess it all depends on the person and if they "truely" want to learn something or just accomplish their goal and forget about what they just did |
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| 16:20.55 | newsense | haha |
| 16:20.57 | nsadmin | Worf: while connected as root to worf.com? :) |
| 16:20.59 | WormFood | I wrote a FAQ, and I put a disclaimer that if you erase your hard drive, then it is not my fault....later in the faq, I tell you how to erase your hard drive |
| 16:21.04 | enouf | Worf: cat /dev/hda > /dev/dsp would be much funnier and less dangerous |
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| 16:21.16 | newsense | enouf, yes i agree |
| 16:21.20 | Worf | enouf: no fun without danger :) |
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| 16:21.37 | enouf | although .. if one forgets to Ctrl-C it might be in for a full HDD of nothingness data |
| 16:21.58 | nsadmin | Worf: you mean no fun without trying to increase danger for someone else? |
| 16:22.17 | WormFood | I remember one day here, someone trashed their boot record and partition table....but we were nice enough to tell them how to fix it |
| 16:22.21 | enouf | thing is, .. you have to remember to turn the speakers up real loud! prior |
| 16:22.34 | newsense | anyone who would run that might not even know to hit Ctrl-C |
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| 16:23.03 | WormFood | and if you want to see the bouncing ball demo in your irc client, then type /disco |
| 16:23.04 | newsense | just hit the reset button and wonder wtf just happened |
| 16:23.06 | Worf | i remember people having troubles with ping ( it just didn't stop ... ) |
| 16:23.12 | samplr | any ideas how I can bomb a drive with bad sectors with dd without waiting at each bad sector? |
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| 16:23.22 | nsadmin | newsense: "Hey! It's working! umm what is it doine?" |
| 16:23.24 | WormFood | yeah Worf, it is annoying when ping won't stop |
| 16:23.46 | Worf | samplr: bomb? |
| 16:23.58 | \amethyst | samplr: ddrescue or gddrescue |
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| 16:24.06 | newsense | WormFood, whats /disco really do, not farmiliar ? |
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| 16:24.16 | mngrif | uhhh... guys.... how do you force a package to uninstall? |
| 16:24.19 | enouf | it does the /chacha |
| 16:24.20 | WormFood | try it newsense, and see ;) |
| 16:24.24 | enouf | and the /tango |
| 16:24.27 | newsense | nah ill google it i guess |
| 16:24.29 | nsadmin | mngrif: dpkg --help |
| 16:24.31 | \amethyst | samplr: ddrescue has a binary /bin/dd_rescue; gddrescue has /sbin/ddrescue |
| 16:24.37 | WormFood | it is short for "disconnect" |
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| 16:24.39 | mngrif | so it's through dpkg then, thanks |
| 16:24.49 | mngrif | for some reason i was thinking apt-get or aptitude |
| 16:24.51 | nsadmin | mngrif: and forcing it is not recommended |
| 16:24.56 | mngrif | of course it isn't :P |
| 16:25.13 | newsense | haha i never knew of that would have been nice to know in my more malicious days |
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| 16:26.08 | samplr | ameyer: does ddrescue have a way to drop the timeout to something low? I suppose I'd be missing things in the wipe, but I'd get most stuff |
| 16:26.29 | juniorsa | enouf: thanks for your help and patience, I am now able to boot with the other drive, I really appreciate it and apologize for my lack of knowledge |
| 16:26.36 | enouf | newsense: here's one that still works too tell someone to /join #0whatever .. or is it #whatever0 or someshit |
| 16:26.59 | enouf | juniorsa: welcome - no need for any sort of apology at all |
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| 16:28.08 | nsadmin | juniorsa: before someone picks up on some knowledge, when they don't have it yet... that's lack of knowledge... it's like apologizing for time or for living |
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| 16:28.35 | hanibana | hi :) |
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| 16:28.52 | newsense | hey :) |
| 16:28.56 | enouf | samplr: a) wrong nickname and b) ddrescue can skip bad sectors till the end, and it can log, so it can work in increments, but you need to tell it to |
| 16:29.24 | mngrif | nsadmin: how do i force dpkg to not run any pre-uninstall scripts? |
| 16:29.38 | scientes | can i download a lenny installer than can install to ext4? |
| 16:29.41 | nsadmin | can't do that to my knowledge |
| 16:29.41 | enouf | oh dear |
| 16:29.48 | mngrif | uht-oh... |
| 16:30.16 | nsadmin | you could edit each script |
| 16:30.18 | scientes | mngrif, you could ln -s sh and bash to /bin/true and then put them back |
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| 16:30.39 | nsadmin | that wouldn't work very well |
| 16:30.42 | mngrif | scientes: that's so crazy it just might work |
| 16:30.42 | dazjorz | wait, what?! |
| 16:30.47 | juniorsa | Thanks to all just the same, I'm trying to get rid of the junior but that takes time :) |
| 16:30.49 | dazjorz | better not to :/ |
| 16:31.07 | mngrif | lol, yeah, the server i'm working on is over a thousand miles away... i'd rather not try something that insane |
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| 16:31.25 | nsadmin | how would you go about putting it back if you don't have a shell |
| 16:31.42 | mngrif | well before doing something like that i would make a new user and have it set to a different shell |
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| 16:31.52 | enouf | juniorsa: be careful not to let the removal of junior from the left side of the 'a' add a 'ss' to the right side :-P |
| 16:31.57 | nsadmin | mngrif maybe you better explain in more detail |
| 16:32.08 | dazjorz | mngrif: find the location of the script you don't want, then remove it? :) |
| 16:32.12 | dazjorz | dpkg won't run it if it's not there, iirc |
| 16:32.13 | dpkg | dazjorz: are you using Windows? |
| 16:32.22 | nsadmin | sass? |
| 16:32.27 | scientes | why does dpkg allways ask that? |
| 16:32.33 | dazjorz | dpkg: you just passed the Turing test |
| 16:32.34 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 16:32.36 | mngrif | maybe. i deleted the mysql root user and need to recreate the mysql user tables |
| 16:32.40 | enouf | nsadmin: close - i left out the s for affect ;-) |
| 16:32.49 | mngrif | i figure the easiest way would be to purge the package and reinstall it |
| 16:33.01 | mngrif | since it's practically a virgin system |
| 16:33.21 | enouf | !i forgot mysql root password |
| 16:33.21 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 16:33.22 | scientes | serioulsly dpkg says that ll the time randomly |
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| 16:33.44 | nsadmin | dpkg says things randomly?! |
| 16:33.45 | mngrif | enouf: that will work if the user doesn't even exist? |
| 16:33.46 | dpkg | nsadmin: no idea |
| 16:33.52 | enouf | !8ball why do you always say that?! |
| 16:33.52 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 16:34.07 | scientes | dpkg, well if it doesnt have anything else to say |
| 16:34.07 | dpkg | scientes: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:34.14 | dazjorz | nsadmin: sentences starting with "dpkg" |
| 16:34.23 | dazjorz | dpkg, isn't that right? :) |
| 16:34.23 | dpkg | dazjorz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:34.25 | enouf | mngrif: no idea |
| 16:34.30 | dazjorz | dpkg, isn't that right? |
| 16:34.31 | dpkg | dazjorz: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:34.34 | mngrif | enouf: no harm in trying |
| 16:34.35 | dazjorz | :( |
| 16:34.46 | enouf | !botabuse |
| 16:34.46 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 16:34.51 | enouf | !enouf |
| 16:34.51 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 16:34.58 | dazjorz | enouf already! |
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| 16:35.07 | dazjorz | i've got enouf of this! |
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| 16:35.56 | simeon | Hey guys can anyone help me in moving a install to another partition? Do I use dd or cp? |
| 16:36.07 | nsadmin | I'd use tar |
| 16:36.09 | enouf | rsync |
| 16:36.09 | dazjorz | simeon: elaborate? :) |
| 16:36.21 | dazjorz | simeon: raw partition copy? |
| 16:36.23 | simeon | What :D which one ? |
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| 16:36.38 | simeon | well my partition is too small for me now |
| 16:36.49 | dazjorz | simeon: when copying a raw partition on the same system, use dd, make sure the new one is bigger |
| 16:36.55 | nsadmin | why not make more partitions and mount them |
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| 16:37.04 | WormFood | why use dd at all to copy a drive? |
| 16:37.05 | Worf | 1:1 rsync, in case of 1:n i'd use tar | gzip | buffer | udpcast | buffer | gunzip | tar :) |
| 16:37.05 | dazjorz | though nsadmins idea is usually better |
| 16:37.19 | WormFood | cp is faster, and does the same thing....dd is a CONVERSION tool! |
| 16:37.26 | dazjorz | WormFood: udpcast? |
| 16:37.34 | dazjorz | WormFood: dd is a 1:1 copy tool? |
| 16:37.43 | dazjorz | WormFood: and cp doesn't copy everything |
| 16:37.46 | Worf | udpcast is for broadcasting over the network |
| 16:37.47 | WormFood | dd is a conversion tool |
| 16:37.53 | WormFood | and yes, cp does copy everything |
| 16:37.53 | enouf | WormFood: cp isn't faster when you use dd wih bs=4M ;-) |
| 16:37.56 | dazjorz | I could figure cp doesn't copy some metadata |
| 16:38.00 | simeon | so how do I do it? |
| 16:38.11 | dazjorz | oops, Worf*: udpcast |
| 16:38.14 | WormFood | yes, but if you change the block size, you may miss something on the last block |
| 16:38.15 | enouf | WormFood: will cp see the 1st 63 sectors? |
| 16:38.27 | WormFood | yes enouf |
| 16:38.44 | simeon | lol now I'm confused - WormFood says cp, dazjorz says dd |
| 16:38.44 | WormFood | why wouldn't it see the first 63 sectors? |
| 16:38.45 | mngrif | cp works on the file level, dd works on the block level |
| 16:38.46 | Worf | djace_: i once did some scripts that helped me cloning a system to a whole subnet at once |
| 16:38.58 | nsadmin | first 63 sectors of what? |
| 16:39.03 | WormFood | jesus christ, you people are stupid! |
| 16:39.05 | enouf | WormFood: what does cp do differently? |
| 16:39.14 | WormFood | how in the fuck does dd copy something that cp can't copy? |
| 16:39.20 | WormFood | cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb |
| 16:39.31 | dazjorz | wtf, WormFood ?! |
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| 16:39.35 | WormFood | GOD DAMN! you people need to learn how to use unix systems |
| 16:39.48 | dazjorz | cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb - won't that copy the device node over instead of the contents? :/ |
| 16:40.01 | nsadmin | WormFood: wow, was that exciting for you? |
| 16:40.02 | dazjorz | simeon: I'm saying dd because I've used dd for this a lot of times now :P |
| 16:40.06 | simeon | what about proc - does cp and dd copy and make sure there are no problems with proc |
| 16:40.10 | WormFood | dazjorz, only if you add the option to copy the nodes |
| 16:40.10 | meyou | i believe we have a troll in our midst |
| 16:40.20 | dazjorz | simeon: dd just copies over the mount point |
| 16:40.20 | nsadmin | WormFood" we seem to have triggered you :P |
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| 16:40.28 | WormFood | dd is a conversion tool...yes it copies |
| 16:40.35 | WormFood | you can also use cat |
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| 16:40.43 | WormFood | cat </dev/hda > /dev/hdb |
| 16:40.47 | dazjorz | simeon: and /etc/fstab, so it gets mounted correctly automatically |
| 16:40.53 | dazjorz | WormFood: if you're going to go that way, use dd right away |
| 16:40.53 | Worf | your cat ate my mouse! :) |
| 16:40.58 | nsadmin | WormFood: is it that people are offering things you didn't? |
| 16:41.00 | dazjorz | dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb (though he wants partitions) |
| 16:41.13 | WormFood | what is it with people that say cp won't copy everything? |
| 16:41.20 | WormFood | it is just a tool, it is all in how you use the tools |
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| 16:41.46 | nsadmin | cp by default will skip things, and for example won't copy dirs by default |
| 16:41.48 | WormFood | there is nothing special or mystical about dd, it is just what people think you are supposed to use....in fact MANY different tools will do the same thing |
| 16:41.57 | WormFood | nsadmin, READ WHAT I SAID |
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| 16:42.12 | nsadmin | you disagree? |
| 16:42.17 | WormFood | I never said to use it to copy the FILES...I said to use it to copy the raw drive |
| 16:42.34 | WormFood | how is "cp /dev/hda /devhdb" going to miss anything? |
| 16:42.44 | dazjorz | WormFood: it's not, but that just copies the raw data, which dd does too |
| 16:42.47 | nsadmin | if hdb is smaller. |
| 16:43.07 | nsadmin | also the filesystem won't be any bigger |
| 16:43.08 | WormFood | but, like I said...and read your man page...dd is a CONVERSION (and copy) tool |
| 16:43.20 | juniorsa | back again so soon, I have installed a new drive and now I only have sdb and the new one sda in my md, I created the same partitions on the new drive and then added it to the array md0, but now I keep getting these errors http://pastebin.com/m1873f481, can anyone help? |
| 16:43.26 | dazjorz | nsadmin: yeah, that's why you want /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 etc |
| 16:43.27 | enouf | someone asked me something above ... hrm .. |
| 16:43.45 | dazjorz | WormFood: in my man page, it says conversion and copy, not CONVERSION (and copy) |
| 16:43.52 | enouf | now what was it again? .. oh yeah - nsadmin the 1st 63 "hidden" sectors ;-) |
| 16:44.06 | enouf | nsadmin: the ones the FS tools don't see |
| 16:44.23 | dazjorz | compiling gettext takes long :/ |
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| 16:44.26 | enouf | because there is no FS on those sectors |
| 16:44.31 | dazjorz | takes a long while* |
| 16:44.41 | nsadmin | you mean where the partition boot sector and possibly a chainload |
| 16:44.48 | enouf | yerp |
| 16:44.56 | enouf | er no |
| 16:44.56 | dazjorz | nsadmin: that's in the drive, not in the partition (is it called "volume"?) |
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| 16:45.09 | dazjorz | i.e. that's in /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1 |
| 16:45.14 | enouf | where he MBR and MPT reside - and other grub goodies ;-) |
| 16:45.19 | WormFood | juniorsa, it appears you have a hardware problem |
| 16:45.22 | drone77 | dazjorz, you could say "compiling gettext takes so long" |
| 16:45.26 | nsadmin | so there's no 64 sectors on the partitions? |
| 16:45.42 | dazjorz | drone77: thanks, there are still some bugs in my English :P |
| 16:45.44 | juniorsa | WormFood: right |
| 16:45.44 | WormFood | there are skipped sectors in a normal partitioned hard drive |
| 16:45.44 | enouf | heh - stop now .. i know you're playing ignoramus ;-) |
| 16:45.46 | nsadmin | which means you can't put chainloaders on them? |
| 16:46.17 | enouf | what chain? ball and chain? ;-) |
| 16:46.26 | dazjorz | drone77: there are some constructions which are fine in Dutch, and for a Dutchman, they sound like bad english when said in English |
| 16:46.30 | WormFood | that is the wife...and the wifeloader is different |
| 16:46.43 | dazjorz | drone77: because a lot of Dutch people who don't speak English, simply translate their words |
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| 16:46.49 | WormFood | è! |
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| 16:47.53 | WormFood | dazjorz, you should try chinglish some time....that is a mix of chinese grammar and english words....fuckin' crazy sometimes |
| 16:48.07 | drone77 | dazjorz, I know what it's like (for me it was portuguese). yeah, i noticed that when I went to Holland, cool accents though and I like the way of life - anyway I digress |
| 16:48.07 | dazjorz | hah |
| 16:48.22 | enouf | wok-n-woll ? |
| 16:48.25 | enouf | hides |
| 16:48.27 | \amethyst | dazjorz: as a native English speaker "takes so long" sounds fine (as long as you whine the last two words), but "takes long" does not |
| 16:48.52 | WormFood | I had to teach my girlfriend the difference between "you are shit" and "you are the shit" |
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| 16:49.05 | \amethyst | dazjorz: and "takes a long while" sounds fine, but I'd use "takes a long time" |
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| 16:49.15 | dazjorz | in Dutch, I'd say "duurt zo lang", which translates literally as "takes so long", making it sound like a Dutch sentence in English words, thus bad English |
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| 16:49.42 | nsadmin | WormFood: I would have thought that would be a dangerous thing to do :) |
| 16:49.45 | dazjorz | drone77: by the way, "The Netherlands" is a different thing from "Holland", common misconception |
| 16:49.51 | dazjorz | s/from/than/ |
| 16:49.56 | dazjorz | or whatever, another bug there |
| 16:50.29 | samplr | dazjorz: I can't remember the term, but there's a word for a direct translation |
| 16:50.31 | enouf | WormFood: i don't want ever even hear my girlfriends even using that word .. no reason to ;-) |
| 16:50.46 | WormFood | I'm teaching my girlfriend the proper way to cuss |
| 16:50.46 | enouf | WormFood: replace shit with daBomb ;-) |
| 16:50.49 | samplr | dazjorz: like "long time no see." they claim it's stragiht from chinese |
| 16:50.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:51.02 | \amethyst | dazjorz: no, from is right. "different than" is fairly common, but considered wrong by English teachers |
| 16:51.28 | WormFood | she picked up my bag one day and said it is "fucking heavy"...I gave her the thumbs up, and said "very good, you used 'fucking'" properly |
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| 16:51.54 | dazjorz | okay ;) |
| 16:51.56 | juniorsa | silly question how do I am ata3 to the /dev/xxxx |
| 16:51.57 | samplr | dazjorz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calque |
| 16:52.17 | \amethyst | calques are cool |
| 16:52.20 | enouf | try again juniorsa |
| 16:52.22 | WormFood | more than just silly, it is not understandable |
| 16:52.38 | nsadmin | juniorsa: was that a complete sentence? :) |
| 16:52.44 | enouf | no |
| 16:52.46 | enouf | :-) |
| 16:53.19 | juniorsa | sorry the console is filling up with warnings saying ata3.00: status {DRDY ERR } and I would like to find out which device is ata3.00 would it be sda or sdb, hope this is better |
| 16:53.41 | enouf | dmesg |
| 16:53.59 | enouf | juniorsa: actually ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 16:54.45 | enouf | juniorsa: there you will also see how soon you might use UUIDs or LABEL to mark partitions which can be used in menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
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| 16:55.32 | drone77 | sorry dazjorz, I hate it when others say Ireland is part of UK/England. ahh damn my ignorance (although I suppose I never said that I thought NL was only Holland =]). at least I know now |
| 16:55.36 | juniorsa | enouf: I don't see any reference to ata3 but I will keep looking |
| 16:55.48 | enouf | hrm .. yes, scsi class isn't there i see juniorsa .. dmesg | less will tell you |
| 16:56.22 | dazjorz | drone77: no problem ;) |
| 16:56.32 | enouf | it's in /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/ .. or maybe in /proc/scsi/scsi .. or even hrm ... |
| 16:56.51 | drone77 | dazjorz, I'm hastily reading about the difference |
| 16:56.54 | enouf | lshal | less can help as well, IINM, i have nothing to test here with atm |
| 16:56.57 | J-roen | Hi. I have a problem with the time on my Debian pc. When I shutdown the pc, syslog shows the correct time. When I boot the pc, also the system time in the BIOS is correct. But when I log in, syslog shows that the boot time was one hour later than the actual time. NTP automatically synchronizes it and then the time is correct again. But what causes the one hour shift? Thanks. |
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| 16:57.35 | Woden | Does debian have i686 binaries? |
| 16:57.42 | nsadmin | what's your timezone |
| 16:57.46 | dazjorz | drone77: Holland is a part of the Netherlands - people confuse the two, because the most important traders and travelers were from Holland, iirc |
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| 16:57.58 | \amethyst | J-roen: is Debian the only OS you use on that machine? |
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| 16:58.19 | enouf | i wonder if "lsscsi" would show what juniorsa is asking |
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| 16:58.36 | cahoot | J-roen: hwclock --show agrees with date? |
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| 16:59.28 | simonrvn | how odd, this old desktop can hibernate, but not suspend. though i shouldn't be surprised. |
| 16:59.32 | enouf | J-roen: sounds like some DST thing kickin in - exactly 1 hour off eh? |
| 16:59.55 | enouf | wasn't there some sort of issue like that in NZ timezone or something? |
| 17:00.09 | \amethyst | enouf: J-roen is in .nl though |
| 17:00.21 | nsadmin | J-roen: going to respond soon? :) |
| 17:00.24 | cahoot | i e oldzeeland? |
| 17:00.36 | enouf | ok then - alrighty ... might be a remote server he means? |
| 17:00.44 | \amethyst | J-roen: as though the hardware clock were set to CET when shutting down but to UTC when boting up |
| 17:00.45 | cob- | hey guys, I'm trying to create a virtual disk using "dd if=/dev/zero of=file.ext3 bs=1000x100000k count=1", stuck at this part though. dd says "dd: memory exhausted". Does anyone know of an alternative to create a 100GB file? |
| 17:01.03 | J-roen | nsadmin: Sorry... I'm going to read now. |
| 17:01.25 | nsadmin | J-roen: what's your timezone |
| 17:01.34 | Worf | cob-: well, use something with less bs and more count, you don't want to create the whole file as one block in memory |
| 17:01.47 | J-roen | cahoot: hwclock shows: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 17:01.49 | Woden | Is Debian i686? |
| 17:01.52 | enouf | \amethyst: in /var/log/boot i can see the system time being set (msg dpkg bootlogd) |
| 17:02.03 | nsadmin | no but some kernels are |
| 17:02.06 | J-roen | nadmin: Amsterdam +0100 |
| 17:02.10 | \amethyst | enouf: yeah, it's controlled by /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:02.12 | beardy | Woden: There are kernels compiled for i686 if that is what you mean, which it is. |
| 17:02.17 | enouf | bah - \amethyst .. heh, no idea why i used your nick ;-) |
| 17:02.23 | zash__ | cob-: dd has some seek param i think |
| 17:02.23 | nsadmin | so you're only 1 hour from UTC |
| 17:02.28 | J-roen | nsadmin: Correct |
| 17:02.38 | enouf | aha! .. |
| 17:02.40 | nsadmin | that could account for the one hour |
| 17:02.45 | Brack101 | what's the best way to make something run on startup? |
| 17:02.53 | Worf | zash__: wouldn't that give a sparse file? |
| 17:02.54 | enouf | turn it on |
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| 17:03.11 | \amethyst | J-roen: try running hwclock as root -- or was the error from running it as root? |
| 17:03.17 | Woden | beardy: No I mean the user software packages. |
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| 17:03.23 | nsadmin | Brack101: act really creepy and scare it? |
| 17:03.42 | enouf | cob-: use bs=4M or use something like devicemapper |
| 17:03.53 | cob- | Worf: this is my first time doing it, do you have any input on what the block size should be? |
| 17:03.58 | mngrif | I GOT IT! i had to remove the associated *pre* files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server*pre, purge the package, then reinstalled as normal. works fine now! |
| 17:04.03 | cahoot | J-roen: hwclock --directisa --show |
| 17:04.06 | Brack101 | nsadmin: Oh I get it,nice play on words LOLOL!!! |
| 17:04.28 | enouf | J-roen: oh .. i've seen that error |
| 17:04.33 | J-roen | \amethyst: I will try. |
| 17:04.38 | Worf | cob-: a view MB ... to small ( as in one byte or so ) would be very slow, and more than a view MB just eats up uneccesary ram |
| 17:04.40 | enouf | J-roen: ls /dev/rtc* |
| 17:04.41 | J-roen | \amethyst: That was as root. |
| 17:04.49 | \amethyst | J-roen: it sounds then like Debian might be having problems writing to your hardware clock when you shut down |
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| 17:05.04 | nsadmin | Brack101: there's probably a /etc/rc.local |
| 17:05.07 | Worf | cob-: and having blocksize as big as gigabytes ... well - you allready found that part out :) |
| 17:05.08 | J-roen | enouf: ls /dev/rtc* results in /dev/rtc |
| 17:05.35 | cob- | Worf: hehe, yes unfortunately...seems for a good reason though |
| 17:05.38 | enouf | J-roen: hrm .. ok .. there was a kernel bug about your error though |
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| 17:05.49 | J-roen | enouf: You mean this one? http://thinkhole.org/wp/2006/04/13/clock-tick-timed-out/ |
| 17:05.51 | enouf | J-roen: i'm trying to recall - one sec - which Kernel?? |
| 17:05.59 | cahoot | isn't it the old directisa issue? |
| 17:06.02 | Woden | Does anyone have suggestions for a distro that has dependency resolution, i686 binary packages, and up-to-date software? |
| 17:06.02 | keith4 | Brack101: http://rafb.net/p/KSuKEy74.html |
| 17:06.05 | enouf | J-roen: not sure - i might have it bookmarked |
| 17:06.20 | stew | Woden: how about debian? |
| 17:06.24 | enouf | this one |
| 17:06.25 | enouf | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11580 |
| 17:06.28 | enouf | J-roen: |
| 17:06.37 | \amethyst | stew: he said up-to-date software :P |
| 17:06.52 | patrikf | \amethyst: testing, unstable? |
| 17:07.00 | \amethyst | yeah, yeah :) |
| 17:07.06 | enouf | J-roen: awe crap - maybe not that exact one - but it was a HPET issue or something - let me keep lookinh |
| 17:07.08 | J-roen | enouf: I guess this is fixed already. I have all latest updates. |
| 17:07.21 | cob- | Worf: I'm going to try bs=10000k count=10000 then, 10MB blocks to 100GB |
| 17:07.21 | enouf | J-roen: uname -a |
| 17:07.50 | Woden | stew: Debian uses i686 binary packages and it is up-to-date? |
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| 17:08.18 | newsense | no it has stabler versions of software |
| 17:08.21 | J-roen | enouf: Linux MyComputer 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 16:48:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:08.25 | Worf | cob-: sounds good. |
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| 17:08.26 | cahoot | J-roen: hwclock --directisa --show - works? |
| 17:08.45 | J-roen | cahoot: Yes, that works. |
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| 17:08.56 | Worf | cob-: i don't know what you do with a 100GB file tough :) |
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| 17:09.05 | cahoot | J-roen: might need give that option to hwclock |
| 17:09.07 | J-roen | cahoot: But it displays the incorrect time (one hour early). |
| 17:09.17 | abrotman | newsense: ITYM "it has a known set of bugs" |
| 17:09.31 | \amethyst | Woden: Debian stable isn't always up to date (Etch is almost two years old) |
| 17:09.51 | cahoot | J-roen: hwclock --directisa --systohc? |
| 17:10.16 | cob- | Worf: I'm creating a virtual disk to mount so I can create a samba share with a quota |
| 17:10.26 | J-roen | cahoot: That seems to work (no output). |
| 17:10.28 | newsense | lenny is nice if ya need newer software |
| 17:10.35 | cahoot | J-roen: hwclock --directisa --show |
| 17:10.45 | Woden | \amethyst: Yea so I am looking for another distribution for my desktop that has up-to-date software and i686 binary packages (and also dependency resolution). Got any suggestions? |
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| 17:10.58 | \amethyst | Woden: how up-to-date? |
| 17:11.04 | J-roen | cahoot: Now the time is correct. |
| 17:11.10 | Worf | cob-: wouldn't it be easier to use "normal" quota for that stuff? |
| 17:11.25 | cahoot | J-roen: might need give that option to hwclock /etc/default IIRC |
| 17:11.29 | abrotman | the packages in debian are compiled for i486 except the kernels and libc6 (on the i386 distro) |
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| 17:11.39 | enouf | is someone DDOS'ing bugs.debian.org? |
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| 17:11.44 | Woden | \amethyst: Well for example, using GNOME 2.24 or KDE 4.2. Basically, up-to-date with the upstream. |
| 17:11.59 | J-roen | cahoot: Thanks, which file in /etc/default should I edit? |
| 17:12.02 | cob- | Worf: I would have to repartition this disk, plus this gives me a little flexibility... |
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| 17:12.14 | abrotman | enouf: it seems okay |
| 17:12.32 | abrotman | enouf: slow to start returning data i guess |
| 17:12.34 | grigori | I have just installed sshd, does it run on start by itself? |
| 17:12.38 | cahoot | J-roen: hmm /etc/default/hwclock? or possibly the script in /etc/init.d (I forgot) |
| 17:12.47 | keith4 | grigori: yes |
| 17:12.51 | abrotman | grigori: openssh-server? if you tell it to when you install it |
| 17:12.52 | Worf | cob-: i admit i never used quotas, but i think you shoud install the package "quota" and read it's man page :) |
| 17:13.09 | grigori | abrotman i just did the apt-get install ssh |
| 17:13.22 | Worf | cob-: you can set a quota for every user if you want |
| 17:13.29 | \amethyst | Woden: not sure. With the release coming up soon and testing in freeze unstable is kind of "slushy", so not Debian; Ubuntu doesn't have 2.24 yet either |
| 17:13.35 | abrotman | grigori: yeah, probably should |
| 17:13.45 | juniorsa | enouf: how would I boot into singleuser mode when I am at a grub menu? |
| 17:13.52 | grigori | I reboot and have a look then |
| 17:14.00 | Woden | abrotman: Ubuntu doesn't have 2.24? I thought it did. |
| 17:14.02 | cob- | Worf: from what I've read about quota is it has to be applied to partition, I'm following instructions from this thread, mostly: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/directory-quota-601140/ |
| 17:14.07 | abrotman | Woden: you meant \amethyst |
| 17:14.16 | Worf | cob-: let me read ... |
| 17:14.17 | abrotman | Woden: and if you want to know, ask #ubuntu |
| 17:14.18 | cahoot | J-roen: err /etc/default/rcS - might more correct |
| 17:14.21 | enouf | juniorsa: choose the kernel that has the 'single' (recovery) entry |
| 17:14.31 | J-roen | cahoot: Okay, I'll try. |
| 17:14.43 | enouf | !set the time |
| 17:14.43 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 17:14.48 | juniorsa | enouf: there is not one, this box is a centos one and it only has 3 previous kernel versions |
| 17:15.22 | enouf | juniorsa: edit the kernel line you plan to boot and append single to it |
| 17:15.23 | \amethyst | Woden: like Debian unstable right now, it's a mix of 2.22 and 2.24 |
| 17:15.26 | J-roen | cahoot: Which options should I edit? |
| 17:15.58 | enouf | juniorsa: now, that said, RH/Fedora/CentOS runlevels are very different than Debian(s) |
| 17:16.01 | Worf | cob-: i don't know ... this just doesn't look right :) |
| 17:16.09 | J-roen | cahoot: Should I add this? CLOCK_OPTS="--directisa" |
| 17:16.14 | enouf | juniorsa: so go find the proper channel and ask |
| 17:16.31 | juniorsa | enouf: thanks |
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| 17:16.57 | cob- | Worf: I guess I'll report back! |
| 17:17.36 | Worf | cob-: the point is: the linux quota system is for users and groups, not for directoies i think. and that guy asked for directories. if you want a samba share with a quota, i'd create a user for that share and set a quota - that way you can change it all the time - with a loopback filesystem you'd be way less flexible |
| 17:17.39 | simonrvn | !set the time =~ s/and adjtimex // |
| 17:17.40 | dpkg | simonrvn: cannot alter locked factoids |
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| 17:17.42 | enouf | abrotman: finally . .. no more timeouts |
| 17:17.47 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:17.51 | grigori | Hello, How do I make a program run on start? |
| 17:17.55 | J-roen | cahoot: On the net I find instructions to edit /etc/conf.d/clock, but I don't have /etc/conf.d. Do you know where I can find it? |
| 17:17.57 | enouf | maybe my ISPs DNS took a dump |
| 17:18.10 | abrotman | enouf: eh? |
| 17:18.25 | abrotman | enouf: oh .. bdo |
| 17:18.26 | enouf | abrotman: b.d.o |
| 17:18.49 | enouf | welp, here's the Debian bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494036 |
| 17:19.03 | cob- | Worf: the thing is, samba doesn't seem to have the ability to enforce quotas, the quota has to be applied to a filesystem...so n |
| 17:19.04 | simonrvn | J-roen: no such thing in debian |
| 17:19.17 | cob- | Worf: the thing is, samba doesn't seem to have the ability to enforce quotas, the quota has to be applied to a filesystem...so "nobody" is going to have a quota on this new filesystem |
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| 17:19.34 | J-roen | simonrvn: Do you know where I can add the --directisa option to the hwclock command when shutting down? |
| 17:19.55 | Worf | cob-: well, wouldn't that be so bad? and you can still make samba use another user for the share |
| 17:20.05 | Woden | J-roen: Should be able to google that. |
| 17:20.22 | simonrvn | itt should already be there; if not see /etc/init.d/hwclock*.sh (there's 2 scripts, look at them first before editing. |
| 17:20.26 | simonrvn | J-roen: ^^^ |
| 17:20.27 | abrotman | enouf: looks closed |
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| 17:21.07 | J-roen | Woden, simonrvn: Actually I can't find it. All manuals point to /etc/conf.d/hwclock or /etc/conf.d/clock. |
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| 17:21.57 | simonrvn | you're looking at the wrong manuals. to put it explicitly. |
| 17:22.00 | cob- | Worf: the share is only for 2 users at a very small company, so it's wide open..I'll just leave nobody as the samba user and give it a quota on that new filesystem |
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| 17:22.37 | cob- | I don't want to have to worry about remounting the drive for them when windows loses it for some reason, etc. Just want it available as an open share on the workgroup |
| 17:22.51 | Worf | cob-: then do so :) |
| 17:22.53 | cob- | low maintenance is key here... :D |
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| 17:23.22 | enouf | abrotman: aye, i can't find the exact text i was looking for, so meh, if they found a workaround/fix for J-roen i'll stop looking - but i see "hwclock" issues still in 2.6.27-rc4 and later |
| 17:23.46 | J-roen | Woden, simonrvn: Sorry, found something about the HWCLOCKPAR constant in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh. I'll try that. |
| 17:23.51 | enouf | abrotman: would a 2.6.18-6-686 dated Dec 12 be "up-to-date" ? |
| 17:24.26 | stoned | bts(1) kicks ass! |
| 17:24.31 | stoned | =D |
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| 17:25.15 | enouf | No wonder i have no /dev/rtc - but have a /dev/rtc0 |
| 17:25.17 | enouf | ~$ grep CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 17:25.18 | enouf | CONFIG_RTC_HCTOSYS_DEVICE="rtc0" |
| 17:25.25 | abrotman | enouf: oh, i thought you meant in lenny .. see the last bit of the bug |
| 17:25.41 | abrotman | enouf: i'd guess he may have to apply that patch and rebuild ? |
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| 17:26.04 | enouf | you got me - i can't decide on anything atm, i'm lost .. |
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| 17:27.04 | J-roen | Now my system clock is always one hour too early. |
| 17:27.39 | \amethyst | hm, so now it's setting the clock to CET but reading it as UTC |
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| 17:28.50 | gustaf1 | hi. i'm constantly running debian sid (have done for 10 years and it usually works great). now I upgraded from postgres 8.1 to 8.3 a few weeks ago, and haven't cared about it, but when looking at it, the upgrade process haven't upgraded my 8.1 databases. so I'm googling and trying with "pg_upgradecluster 8.1 main" but it says "Error: specified cluster does not exist" but /var/lib/postgres/8.1/main is there.. how can I up |
| 17:28.50 | nsadmin | J-roen: is it set to UTC? |
| 17:28.54 | \amethyst | err, no, I have that backwards. setting it to UTC (17:28:24) but reading as CET |
| 17:29.49 | nsadmin | gustaf1: you have to dump and restore |
| 17:29.49 | jelly | exports \amethyst's TZ=CET |
| 17:30.12 | nsadmin | was that an expert export? |
| 17:30.18 | gustaf1 | nsadmin: really? most webpages seem to say pg_upgradecluster. it seems easier. what do I "have" to dump/restore? |
| 17:30.37 | enouf | abrotman: cahoot J-roen http://www.debianhelp.org/node/7830 seems relevant |
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| 17:30.45 | enouf | but i guess he already found that |
| 17:31.03 | nsadmin | gustaf1: you have 8.1 databases and you're running 8.3? |
| 17:31.08 | gustaf1 | I also read that someone with the same problem needed to re-install postgres 8.1 to be able to convert to 8.3. but there is no debian distro (etc, lenny, whatever) with 8.1 anymore... |
| 17:31.14 | enouf | i forgot to highlight \amethyst and some others |
| 17:31.15 | gustaf1 | nsadmin: yep |
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| 17:31.42 | nsadmin | gustaf1: perhaps the debian packaging for 8.3 upgraded your databases already |
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| 17:32.13 | cob- | a 10 year old sid install, that gives me a warm-fuzzy inside |
| 17:32.17 | gustaf1 | I used "psql -l" to list the databases and only found the default ones (template, template1, postgres) |
| 17:32.29 | abrotman | thinks enouf works for google |
| 17:32.35 | gustaf1 | so I pg_dumpcluster'ed it and only have the 8.1 left (which is 30mb larger too) |
| 17:32.57 | nsadmin | you have your databases backed up? |
| 17:33.27 | gustaf1 | I have a copy of /var/lib/postgresql/8.1/main (as /var/lib/postgresql/8.1/main2 :) |
| 17:33.42 | enouf | wow heh, # hwclock --rtc=/dev/rtc0 --debug |
| 17:33.44 | nsadmin | so you backed up the cluster files... good |
| 17:34.13 | nsadmin | maybe #postgresql can explain better than I. |
| 17:34.17 | enouf | From 2004 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277298 last post Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 :-P |
| 17:34.21 | gustaf1 | ok thanks i'll try there |
| 17:34.27 | nsadmin | I've already said what I know :) |
| 17:34.44 | gustaf1 | nsadmin: i see :) |
| 17:34.48 | gustaf1 | thanks anyway |
| 17:34.54 | c369 | hey, I usualy do something like 'foo | less' if the output is larger than the screen, here i dont have less yet; ive tried 'foo | xargs vim' or and vim ´foo´ but they wont work, what does work? |
| 17:34.57 | nsadmin | damn good that you backed up. |
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| 17:35.21 | valdyn | c369: foo | more |
| 17:35.27 | \amethyst | c369: foo | vim - |
| 17:35.33 | stew | foo | view |
| 17:35.42 | valdyn | c369: or foo | pager |
| 17:35.44 | c369 | thanks |
| 17:35.46 | \amethyst | c369: or foo | view - for read-only mode |
| 17:35.48 | nsadmin | foo | bar? |
| 17:36.01 | c369 | should i be able to scroll with j and h in more? |
| 17:36.09 | c369 | because only space works |
| 17:36.19 | valdyn | c369: not with piped input |
| 17:36.26 | c369 | k |
| 17:36.30 | c369 | tz |
| 17:36.31 | c369 | ty |
| 17:36.34 | nsadmin | and not with more; less has more |
| 17:36.43 | valdyn | c369: b for back in more |
| 17:36.44 | \amethyst | more can scroll backwards, but not with a pipe |
| 17:36.48 | enouf | cob-: after my quick "use bs=4M" comment, i lost track of your convo - either way - you might find the info in /Documentation/device-mapper/zero.txt somehow useful |
| 17:38.20 | c369 | what is the quickest way, to check whether my network cards are setup? |
| 17:38.38 | c369 | im browsing throught dmesg but im unsure whether that is helpful |
| 17:38.47 | jelly | ping google.com? :-) |
| 17:38.54 | \amethyst | c369: /sbin/ifconfig -a will list all configured interfaces |
| 17:39.02 | teratoma | c369: ethtool is helpful too |
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| 17:39.11 | \amethyst | c369: err, sorry, even non-configured ones |
| 17:39.33 | GhostlyDeath | There's this desktop icon for a mounted drive but I don't want it to appear on my desktop or in "Computer" inside of GNOME |
| 17:39.33 | c369 | ah right! |
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| 17:40.58 | cahoot | GhostlyDeath: possibly something you could conf via gconf-editor |
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| 17:42.45 | c369 | im used to the loopback thing in my /etc/network/interfaces, with this new setup system there is none, is it necessary and should I add it? or only if I use programs which really need it? |
| 17:43.56 | stoned | \amethyst, I still don't get it about the php cli readline thingy |
| 17:44.16 | stoned | \amethyst, the source for php5-cli is packaged in php5-common as well as the rest we discussed last night |
| 17:44.39 | stoned | \amethyst, in order for me to build php5-cli with readline support I had to get apache and what not GAH! |
| 17:44.59 | stoned | \amethyst, it seems like php depends on apache to build which is not cool, I could be wrong |
| 17:45.05 | \amethyst | stoned: I don't have any experience building php5 unfortunately |
| 17:45.28 | \amethyst | stoned: there might be some way to build just the CLI version, but you'd probably have to ask one of the maintainers |
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| 17:45.50 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: nothing |
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| 17:46.08 | enouf | what? |
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| 17:46.31 | GhostlyDeath | hit the wrong key |
| 17:46.34 | stoned | \amethyst, well I'm just commenting on trying to build it standalone, but I have it running now --with-readline and its very nice, interactive php shell ;) |
| 17:47.21 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: it's either in there, or maybe gconftool2, or gnome-volume-manager or gnome-control-center |
| 17:47.24 | \amethyst | stoned: cool |
| 17:47.31 | cob- | Worf: http://pastebin.com/d4913f4af |
| 17:47.33 | enouf | but it's definitely at irc.gnome.org |
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| 17:48.41 | cob- | thanks for the help man |
| 17:48.50 | H2S04 | enouf, do you have any experience with the 4xxx series ati cards with FGLRX? Know if it'd be worth the gamble of getting an ATI card? :X |
| 17:49.10 | stoned | if you want an ATI card, go with X1900XT |
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| 17:49.18 | enouf | H2S04: no, but stoned does - oh wait, fglrx? but why?! |
| 17:49.22 | stoned | Its cheap, gddr3 256mb, 48 pixel pipelines |
| 17:49.34 | cob- | doesn't the open driver have 3d acceleration now? |
| 17:49.37 | enouf | stoned: is that r5xx? |
| 17:49.38 | stoned | its an excellent gaming card, I use it for dual head/video, oblivion |
| 17:49.49 | stoned | enouf, yes, and fully supported by radeon open soruce driver |
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| 17:49.57 | H2S04 | enouf, real dri :P |
| 17:50.06 | H2S04 | stoned, I was looking at the 4850 |
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| 17:50.14 | enouf | !smack H2S04 with some fake dri |
| 17:50.14 | dpkg | smacks H2S04 with some fake dri upside the head. |
| 17:50.15 | scientes | when i enter my systems name should it be FQDN? |
| 17:50.15 | H2S04 | stoned, I can get it for like 100 bucks. :X |
| 17:50.17 | stoned | look all you want, just don't touch! |
| 17:50.27 | scientes | or should it be only the first part? |
| 17:50.29 | stoned | its not about money |
| 17:50.31 | stoned | its about driver support |
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| 17:50.40 | stoned | I would say screw fglrx and screw latest ati cards |
| 17:50.43 | enouf | stoned: gotcha |
| 17:50.55 | stoned | for your gaming needs on linux, and other stuff, that x1900xt is perfect |
| 17:51.02 | H2S04 | stoned, not like I play games on linux. |
| 17:51.06 | stoned | fully supported, dri, 3d accel, open source driver |
| 17:51.08 | H2S04 | stoned, I have an 8600 GT now.... |
| 17:51.12 | enouf | stoned: PCIe only, right? |
| 17:51.15 | stoned | enouf, yes |
| 17:51.19 | enouf | ok |
| 17:51.38 | H2S04 | so what would you use radeonhd? |
| 17:51.46 | stoned | I wouldn't use it |
| 17:51.47 | enouf | looks around and notices none of the 5-7 mobos near him have a PCIe slot .. hrm |
| 17:51.52 | H2S04 | I didn't think those drivers were even working. |
| 17:52.08 | stoned | its useless atm |
| 17:52.18 | stoned | doesn't feature r6x/r7x 3d accel |
| 17:52.19 | H2S04 | yeah that's what I thought :X |
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| 17:53.13 | enouf | scientes: where? when? /msg dpkg hostname |
| 17:53.13 | stoned | man I tink I'll go to applebees and get a gigantic burgur |
| 17:53.19 | stoned | I'm starving, bye bye |
| 17:53.26 | H2S04 | Bah I can't justify buying a card if it doesn't work well in linux :X |
| 17:53.28 | enouf | stoned: the Salad Bar :-p |
| 17:53.43 | enouf | stoned: stupid boobtoob pundants |
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| 17:53.57 | H2S04 | shows enouf some real e-penis |
| 17:54.16 | cob- | why not buy nvidia then, they have supported linux longer and better than ATI |
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| 17:54.30 | enouf | buys H2S04 at wholesale cost |
| 17:54.33 | stoned | there seems to be a carriage return somewhere in my line, control@dbugs is not likig it |
| 17:54.35 | cob- | flex your consumer power! |
| 17:54.36 | nkuttler | hrm, is having a backup of /var/lib/mysql/ as good as having mysqldumps? assuming i restore them to the same mysql server version? |
| 17:54.46 | stoned | I did get to unarchive the bug, reopen it, assign it myself as the owner |
| 17:54.52 | stew | cob-: you slipped and mistyped 'intel' |
| 17:55.01 | stoned | but... everytime I try to retitle it i get an error |
| 17:55.06 | c369 | how do I deactivate this horrible system bell in login shells? I tried <set 'bind bell-style none'> in the /etc/bash.bashrc and sourced it in the /etc/profile but i still get it when using the tab completion; i could modprobe -r pcspkr but this would be a bit harsh... |
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| 17:55.15 | stew | cob-: /msg dpkg bell |
| 17:55.40 | stoned | http://stoned.pastebin.com/dac56640 <-- please look here and advise |
| 17:55.45 | stew | c369: /msg dpkg bell |
| 17:55.48 | stew | cob-: not you |
| 17:55.53 | cob- | stew: phew |
| 17:56.00 | cob- | poet & noet |
| 17:56.02 | stoned | error message from control@dbugs is in there as well as the retitle command I tried to ue |
| 17:56.08 | cob- | stew: Intel though? |
| 17:56.09 | enouf | we can hear you from here! |
| 17:56.11 | stoned | I don't see what the problem is, it keeps giving me this error about it |
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| 17:56.26 | \amethyst | stoned: your mail client is breaking lines? |
| 17:56.27 | stew | cob-: if you are looking for someone supporting linux |
| 17:56.50 | cob- | stew: oh yes, of course...but good luck with quake wars on a 945GM lol |
| 17:56.51 | stoned | \amethyst, it shouldn't |
| 17:56.57 | stoned | \amethyst, nm the title was changed |
| 17:57.02 | stew | cob-: i don't need any luck with quake wars |
| 17:57.11 | stoned | Changed Bug title to `ITP: php5-gtk2 is a PHP extension for GTK2 client-side' from `O: php-gtk -- PHP extension for GTK+ client-side cross-platform GUI apps.'. |
| 17:57.23 | \amethyst | stoned: yeah, but it got cut off |
| 17:57.24 | cob- | stew: just an example; intel on-board GPUs are sh*t |
| 17:57.27 | stoned | but right after the yehh |
| 17:57.30 | stoned | it got cut off |
| 17:57.33 | stoned | I'm using gmail |
| 17:57.40 | stoned | but yeh, let me try bts on this from devscript |
| 17:57.46 | stoned | lets see if that works |
| 17:57.49 | stew | cob-: seems to work great for me, and I have a fully featured free driver |
| 17:57.51 | \amethyst | stoned: does gmail have some option to avoid formatting outgoing mail? |
| 17:58.02 | stoned | \amethyst, I think I'll learn to use bts :) |
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| 17:58.20 | cob- | stew: we were talking about gaming-tier graphics adapters, don't be obtuse for no reason. |
| 17:58.23 | stoned | its a better solution I was advised, plus you can use -i to make sure you can edit the email before it goes out |
| 17:58.24 | \amethyst | stoned: I bet it's wrapping at 72 characters |
| 17:58.34 | stoned | \amethyst, I didn't even think of that |
| 17:58.42 | stoned | let me check google mail settings |
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| 17:58.49 | stew | cob-: oh, i don't know the difference, i just saw you saying that nvidia was a company supporting linux, and for that, i'd go elsewhere |
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| 17:59.46 | stoned | someone requested phalanger and php-qt |
| 17:59.54 | stew | i get 60 fps playing nethack, which is all the gaming performance I need from a graphics card |
| 17:59.55 | stoned | I'll file ITPs there as well |
| 18:00.07 | stoned | lol, nethack, fps? :) |
| 18:00.12 | cob- | stew: come with me to the year 2000... |
| 18:00.21 | stoned | cob-, nethack is the shit |
| 18:00.22 | c369 | stew, there is nothing installed called 'bell' or did I misunderstand you? :) |
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| 18:00.37 | stoned | cob-, you can't mess with nethack or nethackers |
| 18:00.45 | stew | cob-: you mean the days before xrandr 1.2 support? why? oh, so i can get the kind of support you get from nvidia? :) |
| 18:00.46 | stoned | cob-, try it, you may get addicted to it, its a fun game |
| 18:00.57 | c369 | the /msg part makes me wonder |
| 18:01.00 | cob- | stoned: I bet...uh, I'll be over here playing Team Fortress 2 or something... |
| 18:01.00 | stew | dpkg: tell c369 about bell |
| 18:01.01 | drone77 | stew, you're missing out on 15fps there! |
| 18:01.06 | stoned | heh |
| 18:01.08 | martiiin | Looking for someone with OpenSSH experience, I run openssh on my debian machine and then i use putty to connect to it(windows xp). When I enter the proxy details in the mozilla firefox options i just get a white page, nothing more. Anyone familiar to this problem? |
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| 18:01.18 | stoned | ok burgur time |
| 18:01.21 | stoned | *afk* |
| 18:01.25 | stew | drone77: that's faster than my monitor can go |
| 18:01.31 | node36 | yum.. i would like a burger |
| 18:01.40 | node36 | who has time for games? |
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| 18:02.17 | newsense | i wish i had a good enough adapter to play games i installed warsow but it didnt agree with my i810 chip |
| 18:02.45 | c369 | stew, ah thanks a lot :) |
| 18:02.52 | stew | c369: you're welcome |
| 18:03.01 | \amethyst | martiiin: proxy? |
| 18:03.08 | drone77 | stew, exactly, no real support issues there |
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| 18:03.28 | drone77 | and these guys with their high-end graphics cards... |
| 18:03.41 | valdyn | martiiin: how is openssh relevant to your http proxy? |
| 18:04.25 | cob- | drone77: ...are having more fun than those without? :) |
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| 18:05.10 | cob- | sorry, I'm getting too snarky for linux irc chat, time to go work |
| 18:05.15 | node36 | is irssi a good chat client? |
| 18:05.20 | stew | !best irc client |
| 18:05.20 | dpkg | irssi is, like, the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org , http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 18:05.21 | drone77 | node36, yes |
| 18:05.26 | \amethyst | martiiin: what setup are you using for the ssh connection exactly (forwarded ports etc)? what settings in firefox? |
| 18:05.29 | node36 | ok |
| 18:05.56 | drone77 | cob-, it was a good response |
| 18:06.02 | \amethyst | valdyn: you can do SOCKS4 and SOCKS5 proxying with ssh -D port |
| 18:06.14 | valdyn | \amethyst: i can, yes, |
| 18:06.27 | \amethyst | I'm guessing that's what martiiin is trying |
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| 18:13.30 | elik | !karma \amethyst |
| 18:13.30 | dpkg | \amethyst has karma of 4 |
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| 18:15.14 | lewis2 | anyone know of a program to convert .doc to .html ? |
| 18:15.37 | elik | lewis2, Microsoft Word |
| 18:15.47 | elik | can't you save as html |
| 18:15.55 | elik | or open office, maybe, dunno if you can |
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| 18:17.51 | lewis2 | from debian though - any parsers or whatnot... |
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| 18:21.22 | c369 | what could be reasons why I cant ping the other computer in my crossover network? it did work in the installer yesterday... my /etc/interfaces look like this: <iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.99.99 netmask 255.255.255.0 > and <iface eth1 inet static address 192.168.99.101 netmask 255.255.255.0 > |
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| 18:21.56 | c369 | ifconfig -a seems to look good |
| 18:22.13 | stew | c369: what address are you trying to ping? |
| 18:22.27 | c369 | 192.168.99.99 and ...101 |
| 18:22.55 | stew | c369: you are trying to ping yourself? or some other computer? |
| 18:22.58 | c369 | those are the interface files on the different computers bty |
| 18:23.03 | stew | oh |
| 18:23.07 | c369 | yeah sorrz |
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| 18:23.46 | stew | c369: can you show us the output of |
| 18:23.54 | stew | c369: "route -n" from each machine? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:24.01 | c369 | alright |
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| 18:27.26 | c369 | stew, http://paste.debian.net/26146/ eth0 doesnt show up on the one pc, that is a bad thing, right? |
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| 18:28.11 | stew | c369: yes, the fact that the one doesn't have a route to 192.168.99.0/24 means that it is going to go out over the default, which is wlan0 |
| 18:28.27 | stew | c369: perhaps you need "auto eth0" in interfaces, or you need to run "ifup eth0"? |
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| 18:32.19 | scientes | should i use postfix or exim? |
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| 18:32.39 | stew | scientes: are you familiar with either? |
| 18:32.44 | scientes | not really |
| 18:32.54 | scientes | but postfix seems more common |
| 18:32.58 | Surma | hey guys. I have a pretty minimal system (build from scratch). Is it possible to run debootstrap somehow to, well, bootstrap myself a debian system? what tools/libs does it need? |
| 18:33.13 | stew | scientes: well, you can't make a bad choice between the two, it really comes down to whichever you are more comfortable with |
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| 18:33.43 | scientes | is the default mail server install capable? |
| 18:33.51 | scientes | ie does it work out of box mostly? |
| 18:33.57 | c369 | stew, indeed, somehow the auto eth0 vanished ;) stupid me; now the route looks like this: 192.168.99.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 but still I can't ping |
| 18:34.14 | newsense | i use exim and it works fine, never had a problem |
| 18:34.16 | c369 | and I get ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted on the one pc where I just used ifup eth0 |
| 18:34.27 | stew | scientes: yes |
| 18:34.44 | stew | c369: what does "ls -l $(which ping)" return on that pc? |
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| 18:35.14 | c369 | stew -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 30856 2007-12-10 18:33 /bin/ping |
| 18:35.17 | stew | c369: that "Operation not permitted" means that either ping is no longer suid root, or that you have a rule preventing the ping in your OUTPUT chain |
| 18:35.38 | enouf | cob-: just curious which dd command was successful, if any |
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| 18:35.46 | stew | c369: show us the output of "iptables -L -n" |
| 18:35.54 | jelly | suid might be not effective be because of mount options |
| 18:37.29 | c369 | http://paste.debian.net/26149/ stew |
| 18:37.42 | c369 | btw I really appreciate your help! |
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| 18:39.13 | stew | c369: oh, i guess we really needed "iptables -L -n -v" but, I'll guarantee that the problem here is that you have an OUTPUT rule disallowing the icmp ping packet to leave the machine |
| 18:39.32 | stew | c369: how is this firewall setup? is it a script you wrote? some firewall package? |
| 18:40.16 | c369 | yesterday I masqueraded the internet to that other pc using dnsmasq and ipmasq |
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| 18:41.39 | c369 | stew http://paste.debian.net/26150/ |
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| 18:42.17 | c369 | I used http://paste.debian.net/26151/ to do so |
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| 18:46.42 | stew | c369: yeah, so by default you disallow outgoing traffic, and you didn't do anything in there to override the default |
| 18:47.04 | stew | c369: in fact, you disallow any traffic to go out on eth0 |
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| 18:48.44 | c369 | stew, the two eth0 lines tell you this? |
| 18:49.00 | c369 | in the iptables? |
| 18:49.32 | dustybin | anyone recommend a decent log monitoring tool? so far ive found logwatch and logcheck, are there any others ive missed? |
| 18:49.53 | theholyduck | search the apt reps for log or log monitor? |
| 18:49.57 | c369 | I should probably remove ipmasq and demasq, but I don't know if it is possible to forward the inet without them |
| 18:49.58 | theholyduck | and see what you find |
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| 18:50.07 | newsense | i use logcheck myself |
| 18:50.34 | alecs1 | hi, anyone here using wengophone/qutecom? |
| 18:50.37 | dustybin | newsense: how do you find it? does it work well |
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| 18:50.48 | newsense | it does |
| 18:51.07 | newsense | i had to write some regexels to filter some things but there are default filter rules |
| 18:51.15 | newsense | err regex;s |
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| 18:51.22 | alecs1 | can you dial a #? mine seem to be ignored by the program |
| 18:51.39 | enouf | ok, so does anyone have any idea why Swap: 401616 4 401612 <= 4k out of 401MB - when so little is used, it's always my HDDs, their partitions, and UUIDs, and FSinfo even HDD Serial numbers from /sys it seems, like udevinfo (and lshal) would output |
| 18:51.48 | newsense | dustybin, has 3 levels of filtering also for server workstation or paranoid |
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| 18:51.56 | dustybin | ace |
| 18:52.04 | alecs1 | I mean, can you correctly call a number containing a # |
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| 18:52.30 | stoned | hey guys |
| 18:52.52 | newsense | wassup stoned ! |
| 18:53.14 | enouf | run strings on your swap, you'll see what i mean - maybe it has to do with when precisely swap is activated at boot? hrm, but if i swapoff; mkswap ; swapon, it happens again later, without a reboot - so that can't be it?? |
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| 18:53.44 | stoned | hi |
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| 18:53.53 | stew | c369: the default policy on OUTPUT is DROP, so unless there is some other rule allowing traffic, the traffic is dropped. You have no rule allowing packets to 192.168.99.0, you have no rule allowing traffic out on eth0, you have no rule allowing icmp |
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| 18:54.22 | octoserver | why would debian ask me to login, or press ctrl-D to skip every time i boot up ? |
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| 18:54.30 | octoserver | during the post |
| 18:54.33 | enouf | dustybin: does monit fit into your requirements? too large for what you need? |
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| 18:54.48 | newsense | c369, you can use -o eth0 if you want to allow icmp for that network only |
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| 18:55.17 | enouf | octoserver: sounds like you might need to run fsck - it's Ctrl-D or Enter root passwd |
| 18:55.29 | newsense | enouf, monit another logwatcher ? |
| 18:55.30 | dustybin | enouf: is monit designed for logs? |
| 18:55.30 | enouf | right, login as root |
| 18:55.39 | enouf | apt-cache show |
| 18:55.52 | enouf | i've not used it, but looked at it a bit a while ago |
| 18:56.00 | newsense | i thought there was logcheck and logwatch interesting a new logwatcher |
| 18:56.02 | octoserver | yea |
| 18:56.04 | enouf | dustybin: more than just logs |
| 18:56.26 | octoserver | it did it ever since i copied my sys over to another set of drives |
| 18:56.38 | newsense | i would look into it but i created all kinds of regexs for logcheck already dammit |
| 18:56.40 | enouf | octoserver: why on earth would you? |
| 18:56.41 | dustybin | enouf: i have nagious installed but im finding it difficult to configure, i think nagious is a bit OTT for a home server |
| 18:56.49 | octoserver | :) |
| 18:56.55 | enouf | octoserver: oh, i thought you meant /sys ;-) |
| 18:57.02 | octoserver | no lol |
| 18:57.07 | octoserver | the whole thing |
| 18:57.21 | octoserver | from a set of mirrors to another set of mirrors |
| 18:57.26 | nvts | how do you make a 1 01 or 001 in bash shell? I know i did it before cut can't remember how |
| 18:57.31 | enouf | octoserver: boot a livecd and carefully run fsck on each partition - / one first |
| 18:57.41 | octoserver | then everything is fine except it says that every time now |
| 18:57.56 | dustybin | enouf: the monit gui looks _miles_ better than ugly nagios :D |
| 18:58.13 | dustybin | the monit website looks nice as well http://mmonit.com/monit/ |
| 18:58.22 | dustybin | thats a good indication that monit is a good app |
| 18:58.28 | enouf | nvts: like (x=0;x<100;x++) ? |
| 18:58.33 | octoserver | enouf: they are ext3 and they fun fsck on schedule every 30 boots anyway dont they ? |
| 18:58.51 | octoserver | run* |
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| 18:59.28 | nvts | enouf: 001 002 003 004 etc instead of 1 2 3 4 |
| 18:59.38 | enouf | octoserver: not good enough obviously - see tune2fs -l output |
| 19:00.04 | enouf | octoserver: you can set params using tune2fs, also behaviour in /etc/fstab, man fstab |
| 19:00.26 | enouf | nvts: yeah, or you need (()) or something - #bash knows |
| 19:00.45 | enouf | nvts: like ((x=000;x<100;x++)) ? |
| 19:00.55 | octoserver | k thanks |
| 19:01.05 | nvts | enouf: yeah pretty much |
| 19:01.32 | nvts | enouf: if you did a "echo $x" it would still show 1 2 3 4 5 6 though |
| 19:01.45 | enouf | no idea offhand |
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| 19:02.18 | enouf | dustybin: well .. if looks matter ;-) |
| 19:02.25 | nergar | hello |
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| 19:03.04 | enouf | performs the typical swapoff ; mkswap ; swapon triplet |
| 19:03.36 | nergar | do I need portman for apache and rtorrent? |
| 19:03.36 | stew | nvts: seq -w 0 100 |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | portmap? no |
| 19:04.42 | c369 | newsense, i don' get it to work could you post an example_ |
| 19:04.42 | avu | nergar, you only need portmap for sunrpc services like nfs and nis |
| 19:04.51 | nergar | ok, cus I only have 64 MB of RAM |
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| 19:04.59 | enouf | oh crap -- omg .. i could've swore that combo would clear the swap contents! what gives? |
| 19:05.12 | nergar | ok then I'll stop nfs also |
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| 19:05.33 | enouf | stew: they're pummel you in bash for using seq :-P |
| 19:05.36 | enouf | hides |
| 19:05.44 | stew | they'll never know |
| 19:05.49 | enouf | no need for 000 100 ? |
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| 19:06.04 | stew | no |
| 19:06.05 | enouf | me looks up the -w |
| 19:06.09 | newsense | c369, -A OUTPUT -o wlan0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 6667 -j ACCEPT |
| 19:06.29 | newsense | thats what i use for irc to be allowed outbound |
| 19:06.35 | enouf | i wonder if an export LC_ALL=C is kind of needed for the affect |
| 19:06.38 | nvts | enouf stew thanks, I actually found it, it was printf %02d $VAR :D |
| 19:06.57 | stew | nvts: yeah, seq will take printf style formats as well |
| 19:07.07 | nvts | I see |
| 19:07.20 | enouf | so does find, etc |
| 19:07.30 | stew | seq -f '%03.0f' 0 100 |
| 19:07.31 | enouf | er.. |
| 19:07.34 | nergar | when you install debian "file server" installs samba right? not FTP |
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| 19:07.56 | enouf | nergar: tasksel --task-packages file-server |
| 19:08.25 | nergar | enouf: right, but it installs samba, not FTP |
| 19:08.28 | enouf | lots of samba and nfs |
| 19:08.33 | nergar | ok |
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| 19:08.38 | nergar | thanks |
| 19:09.02 | enouf | ewww netatalk too :-P |
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| 19:09.48 | nergar | so thats how I got AppleTalk! |
| 19:10.05 | nergar | i was wondering how that got in my server :P |
| 19:10.30 | nergar | i should read more documentation |
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| 19:13.03 | newsense | portsentry wouldnt detect portscans if i had my iptables input chain set to drop would it ? |
| 19:13.19 | newsense | table |
| 19:13.35 | Gigantic | there is other ways to detect ports than just pinging |
| 19:14.02 | stew | newsense: correct |
| 19:14.13 | newsense | ok thought so thanks |
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| 19:15.36 | octoserver | enouf: were you telling me to check tun2fs -l /dev/sda and so on to see if the FS states are clean ? |
| 19:15.48 | octoserver | all of them say clean |
| 19:16.06 | enouf | octoserver: that's possible - best 1st guess |
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| 19:16.52 | enouf | octoserver: perhaps there's something wrong with your .. hrm, you running mdadm? raid? crypto? lvm? |
| 19:16.53 | octoserver | enouf: could the reson for the root pass for maintinace or ctrl-D prompt be realated to a program that is loading? |
| 19:17.06 | octoserver | enouf: firestarter loads right before it all of the time |
| 19:17.15 | octoserver | mdadm |
| 19:17.41 | enouf | octoserver: it's being thrown into that mode from an error of some sort - could be authentication/serial number/UUID issues even |
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| 19:18.20 | enouf | octoserver: didn't you create the FSs on the mdX devices? .. hrm.. |
| 19:18.25 | octoserver | enouf: i think i had it happen twice during boot right after another program that was trying to load but I uninstalled tthat one |
| 19:18.53 | enouf | what is firestarter? iptables frontend? apparmor? |
| 19:19.00 | octoserver | enouf: lost me on the last question lol :) |
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| 19:19.10 | octoserver | enouf: oh |
| 19:19.12 | octoserver | yea |
| 19:19.13 | octoserver | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.24 | octoserver | they are all on MDx |
| 19:19.40 | enouf | so tune2fs -l /dev/mdX ? |
| 19:20.13 | nergar | where can I get more information abour openbsd-inetd? |
| 19:20.53 | octoserver | enouf: they are all clean |
| 19:20.55 | enouf | nn64: installed docs? |
| 19:21.02 | enouf | erm nergar not nn64 |
| 19:21.22 | enouf | nergar: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 19:21.33 | enouf | nergar: dpkg -L <pkgname> | grep doc (even) |
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| 19:21.55 | enouf | octoserver: do you enter root passwd? |
| 19:22.03 | enouf | when you get to that point? |
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| 19:23.28 | octoserver | enouf: no, i just skip it |
| 19:23.37 | enouf | octoserver: i would still run fscks, perhaps there was a disk replaced and one filesystem needs a bit of er.. resizing/fixing? |
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| 19:23.44 | enouf | octoserver: wait, why? |
| 19:23.45 | octoserver | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.05 | nergar | enouf: but how can I get reverse dependencies for example? |
| 19:24.06 | octoserver | sdd4 shows active not clean ? |
| 19:24.20 | nergar | how do I know if its safe to remove? |
| 19:24.29 | enouf | octoserver: ensure motherboard chipset specific / or disk controller modules are not listed in /etc/modules |
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| 19:24.37 | enouf | check blacklists too |
| 19:24.52 | enouf | nergar: oh - that kind of info? |
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| 19:25.20 | enouf | nergar: apt-rdepends, and apt-cache rdepends, and just use -s with apt/aptitude |
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| 19:25.46 | nergar | thanks! |
| 19:25.58 | enouf | nergar: you can stop it -- you don't need to remove it to stop it from ever loading auto on boot |
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| 19:26.22 | enouf | nergar: /msg dpkg runlevels -- i use rcconf |
| 19:26.24 | nergar | I know, but whats the point of having it there and never use it? |
| 19:26.30 | enouf | true |
| 19:26.35 | enouf | indeed |
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| 19:26.49 | octoserver | enouf: all of the superblock information for sdc1-4 and sdd1-3 show clean, but sdd4 shows active when I examine with mdadm ? |
| 19:26.55 | enouf | i have many things so i can read their /usr/share/doc/* info ;-) |
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| 19:27.26 | enouf | octoserver: answer my last please |
| 19:27.33 | octoserver | sorry |
| 19:27.46 | octoserver | k let me look |
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| 19:27.57 | enouf | octoserver: no no no .. i mean the root passwd thing |
| 19:28.04 | c369 | is there a way to simply allow everything on eth0 via iptables? |
| 19:28.39 | enouf | c369: unload the rules? but i think you ned to flush prior |
| 19:28.39 | newsense | yeah change the input table to ACCEPT |
| 19:28.52 | stew | c369: iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -I OUTPUT -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 19:29.12 | stew | enouf: you don't want to flush, and you don't want to change the input table to ACCEPT |
| 19:29.24 | newsense | stew, why not ? |
| 19:29.25 | octoserver | enouf: oh lol, what wa the question ? |
| 19:30.05 | enouf | stew: huh? i have no rules loaded at all - eth0 seems fine - but i'm aware that you've been helping this person, so i'll step off ;-) |
| 19:30.07 | stew | newsense: i'm assuming that all the other rules he put there are there for a reason |
| 19:30.20 | newsense | stew, im also assuming if hes asking things like this he hasnt setup any rules yet |
| 19:30.28 | enouf | [14:22:46] <octoserver> enouf: no, i just skip it [14:23:01] <enouf> octoserver: wait, why? |
| 19:30.32 | stew | enouf: if he flushes all rules his NAT will stop working |
| 19:30.32 | newsense | stew, fair assumption |
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| 19:30.42 | abrotman | tells people about assumptions |
| 19:30.46 | newsense | stew, oh shit i forgot hes got the nat setup |
| 19:31.06 | newsense | stew, i forgot he was the same guy talking about ipmasq |
| 19:31.12 | octoserver | enouf: oh, well, i entered the root pass once, and i think it just took me to a prompt and I sat there |
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| 19:31.14 | newsense | nm |
| 19:31.24 | octoserver | enouf: wast sure what i was supposed to do |
| 19:31.31 | enouf | stew: oh .. righto - so he does need some other rules in place already .. yes, flush would wipe out all rules, and without a backup - i wouldn't recommend it, so yes, you're right - c369 listen to stew |
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| 19:31.36 | c369 | I really need to learn a lot about networking... thanks btw |
| 19:31.44 | stew | c369: now, note that what I'm telling is temporary |
| 19:32.00 | octoserver | enouf: i do have k8temp and it897 in /etc/modules |
| 19:32.03 | c369 | I was so stupid to flush them already btw |
| 19:32.04 | stew | and i have no idea about how to add custom rules to ipmasq or whatever else you are using |
| 19:32.06 | octoserver | no biggy right? |
| 19:32.08 | c369 | so it is too late anyways ;) |
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| 19:32.19 | c369 | stew I remove it already |
| 19:32.24 | c369 | s/remove/removed |
| 19:32.26 | newsense | c369, http://danieldegraaf.afraid.org/info/iptables/examples < some good rule file examples here |
| 19:33.00 | octoserver | enouf: should I reboot and enter root again and see aht it does ? |
| 19:33.10 | enouf | octoserver: comment them out for now .. i want you to go through root, tell me the main processes listed - there should be only 3 IIRC (udevd, dhcpcd (if using it) and hal? i forget) |
| 19:33.11 | c369 | stew with the rule you posted if the connection was set up correctly the pinging should work, right? |
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| 19:33.20 | stew | c369: yes |
| 19:33.21 | c369 | newsense, thanks I will have a look at that |
| 19:33.30 | enouf | octoserver: from there, you can remount your / fs in ro mode and run fsck on each |
| 19:33.53 | c369 | stew, k so there has to be something else as well |
| 19:33.56 | enouf | octoserver: i use pstree, but ps aux output will be ok too |
| 19:34.05 | enouf | oh, the 3rd is 'init' .. duh :-p |
| 19:34.32 | enouf | octoserver: did you replace any disks in the move? |
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| 19:34.54 | octoserver | so coment them out in /etc/modules, then when it prompts me during the post to enter the root pass, go ahead and eneter it and run fsck on my partitions |
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| 19:35.03 | enouf | octoserver: actually, tell me exactly what you did do - and the various major hardware in each system |
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| 19:35.11 | kamathln | is it safe to modify apt-mirror's wget line to include -c ? |
| 19:35.17 | octoserver | enouf: no, but something must have happened when I copied it all over |
| 19:35.31 | octoserver | well lol |
| 19:35.52 | enouf | octoserver: basically, yes, you could also setup /etc/fstab correctly, and do "touch /forcefsck" and reboot normally - shutdown -r even from that minimal boot |
| 19:35.52 | octoserver | it was a runing sys on twin 320g drives |
| 19:36.19 | stew | c369: what happens when you ping now, still "Operation not permitted"? |
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| 19:36.43 | octoserver | enouf: i had two 80g drives i wanted to copy the raids to so i could then just use the two 320 gig drives for media |
| 19:36.51 | c369 | stew, simply nothing, just idling and the one pc says 'destination host unreachable' |
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| 19:36.58 | hovis | So I was just given a debian box by my brother, when I issue ls -l I only see the user, instead of the user and the group. Is this normal? |
| 19:37.00 | enouf | stew: may i ask you for my own knowledge; offhand, do you know if the sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_* settings can affect whether or not ping tx/rx? Also, does iptables rules alter those sysctl settings i see directly, or ...hrm, they're /proc/sys/.. so i imagine they would |
| 19:37.20 | octoserver | enouf: i had md0, md1, md2, md3, i renamed them md10, md11, md12, md13 and rebooted to it, lol |
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| 19:37.26 | c369 | s/one/other |
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| 19:37.47 | newsense | enouf, as far as i know just rx |
| 19:38.09 | octoserver | enouf: then i created md0-3 on the 80 gig mirror set and copied the sys over to it after changing fstab and mtab and made the new ramdisk lol |
| 19:38.09 | enouf | octoserver: did you copy data or move the disks physically? and if you copied data over, which tool/utils ? |
| 19:38.19 | octoserver | enouf: copied data |
| 19:38.28 | stew | enouf: i dunno |
| 19:38.38 | stew | c369: show us the output of "route -n ; iptables -L -n -v" |
| 19:38.44 | kamathln | Hi everybody, I want to know if it is safe to modify apt-mirror's "wget" line to include "-c" option. |
| 19:38.47 | enouf | octoserver: so the hardware is all the same? except for ... you type too fast to even read .. lmso |
| 19:38.48 | octoserver | enouf: then i rebooted to the 80 gig drves and everything seemed to work great ) |
| 19:38.51 | octoserver | yes |
| 19:38.53 | octoserver | all the same |
| 19:38.58 | octoserver | lol |
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| 19:39.12 | enouf | octoserver: hang back abit, let me read what you wrote and absorb |
| 19:39.16 | octoserver | k |
| 19:39.22 | enouf | stew: thanks anyway |
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| 19:39.55 | enouf | stew: just thought maybe his sysctl net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts = might be set wrong? or another one? |
| 19:40.01 | newsense | i have icmp disabled in sysctl and i can send icmp if i allow it in my iptables rules never seen it change sysctl |
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| 19:41.14 | \\BAF\IRC | why the frig doesn't my apt-get work? it randomly broke and gives GPG errors on NODATA or something |
| 19:41.29 | \\BAF\IRC | and apt-get update spews the same errors as well as gzip complaining that the files aren't in gzip format |
| 19:41.36 | c369 | stew, http://paste.debian.net/26152/ I wonder where that 2nd eth0 destination comes from |
| 19:42.15 | stew | c369: it comes from zeroconf |
| 19:42.24 | stew | \\BAF\IRC: show us the errors |
| 19:42.36 | stew | \\BAF\IRC: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:42.45 | octoserver | enouf: well, now mdadm --misc --examine /dev/sdd4 shows clean |
| 19:43.01 | stew | c369: but everything there looks ok to me |
| 19:43.03 | octoserver | i havent done anything |
| 19:43.23 | stew | c369: and since the default policy is ACCEPT for both INPUT and OUTPUT, we didn't need the extra iptables rules, but they don't hurt |
| 19:43.30 | \\BAF\IRC | stew, http://paste.debian.net/26153/ |
| 19:43.37 | stew | c369: what are you trying to ping? |
| 19:43.56 | simonrvn | !lart kamathln |
| 19:43.56 | dpkg | decapitates kamathln conan the destroyer style |
| 19:44.18 | enouf | well octoserver .. how exactly did you "i wanted to copy the raids" .. and when did you rename md0,1,2,3 to md10,11,12,13 before/after the move? and where is your /boot ? |
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| 19:45.01 | enouf | octoserver: cat /proc/mdstat and pastebin that and cat /proc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and tell me if you eveer altered /etc/default/mdadm |
| 19:45.09 | kamathln | simonrvn: thanks for the lesson |
| 19:45.22 | kamathln | that teaches me to not rely too much on clipboard content |
| 19:45.52 | simonrvn | kamathln: heheh what? |
| 19:46.01 | octoserver | enouf: i renamed them bofre the move to see if It would work, so that I could go ahead and make the new raid mirrors with the names md0-3 |
| 19:46.17 | kamathln | what was !lart about ? |
| 19:46.27 | c369 | stew, 192.168.99.101, the other pc, it has no rules in iptables -L -n -v and the route looks like this: 192.168.99.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 u 0 0 0 for eth0 and eth1 |
| 19:46.31 | c369 | I use eth1 though |
| 19:46.41 | kamathln | simonrvn: what was !lart about ? |
| 19:46.58 | kamathln | simonrvn: decapitation cmd right ? |
| 19:47.10 | simonrvn | no, for pinging the channel |
| 19:47.14 | enouf | octoserver: what new raid mirrors? i can't help you octoserver - sorry - you're not answering my questions and keep adding more variables you never mentioned prior -- apologies - but i'll just mess it up on ya |
| 19:47.28 | kamathln | yeah .. thanks for that |
| 19:47.30 | kamathln | well.. |
| 19:47.44 | kamathln | I want to know if it is safe to modify apt-mirror's "wget" line to include "-c" option. |
| 19:48.06 | octoserver | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m24c15068 |
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| 19:49.45 | octoserver | enouf: i had 4 mirrors of 4 partions on two drives, md0=swap, md1=boot, md2=root, md3=home |
| 19:49.59 | octoserver | enouf: i explain even if you dont want to deal with it :) |
| 19:50.13 | enouf | i asked you twice "how" you copied the data |
| 19:50.53 | enouf | and that paste is missing information |
| 19:51.10 | octoserver | enouf: they were on two 320 gig drives that were largly unused and I wanted to move the filesytems to two other physical drives that wer smaller(two 80 gig drives) |
| 19:51.12 | scientes | how do i get ifconfig on lenny, ip link set up/down and /etc/init.d/networking restart do not do the job |
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| 19:51.33 | octoserver | enouf: i did it with cp |
| 19:51.36 | valdyn | scientes: ifconfig is on lenny by default |
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| 19:51.48 | octoserver | enouf: i did it with cp -ar i believe |
| 19:51.48 | scientes | oh i must have been misspelling it |
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| 19:51.59 | octoserver | enouf: i did it with cp -ax maybe |
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| 19:52.23 | octoserver | enouf: sorry, i am typing and miss what you type to me somettimes |
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| 19:53.06 | enouf | i should use your nick to preface at this time, however, i'm already fairly disgusted and tired at this point |
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| 19:53.56 | Quibus | hi, a friend has an AMD 333MHz processor and 128MB RAM on his small PC. Can it decently run Debian? If so, what's the best way to set it up? |
| 19:53.58 | octoserver | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m3291f68c |
| 19:54.23 | octoserver | enouf: sorry |
| 19:54.29 | octoserver | dont kill yourself over it |
| 19:54.32 | kamathln | hmm looks like no one knows about apt-mirror |
| 19:54.43 | \\BAF\IRC | http://paste.debian.net/26153/ - nobody? |
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| 19:55.15 | abrotman | apt-get update might help |
| 19:55.22 | \\BAF\IRC | apt-get update doesnt work |
| 19:55.24 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:55.29 | abrotman | get a new mirror |
| 19:55.32 | \\BAF\IRC | i don't understand it, it all worked yesterday |
| 19:55.34 | enouf | Quibus: yes, using any Xserver and GUI will be slightly painful - trying a DE will be really painful to the point of you crying for mommy - use a -486 kernel only |
| 19:55.36 | \\BAF\IRC | backports is broken too |
| 19:55.42 | adama_ | \\BAF\IRC: where did you get this "volatile" mirror ? |
| 19:55.45 | \\BAF\IRC | why would all the mirrors break at the same time? |
| 19:55.46 | stew | the mirror is fine |
| 19:55.54 | stew | the packages files at least unzip for me |
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| 19:56.05 | Quibus | enouf: xfce won't make it? IceWM? |
| 19:56.06 | \\BAF\IRC | idk, I found it on some site when I was trying to figure out how to get a versoin of mono from the 21st century |
| 19:56.16 | zleap | Quibus, Damn Small Linux runs in 128 mb nicely that is debian based IIRC |
| 19:56.18 | \\BAF\IRC | i ended up getting it from backports though |
| 19:56.32 | octoserver | enouf: i have not mmodified /etc/default/mdadm |
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| 19:57.13 | octoserver | enouf: i did notice that one of my mirrors(md4) is not in mdadm.conf but it autoloads it anyway |
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| 19:58.05 | octoserver | enouf: i am going to rebboot and run fsck anyway when it prompts me to enter root for maintinace |
| 19:58.38 | octoserver | enouf: should I be rnning it on the raid, md1,md2,md3 etc ? |
| 19:58.48 | valdyn | you really want to be using lvm when you want to be moving storage between hardware |
| 19:59.27 | zleap | Quibus, i have 128 mb on a laptop and x runs fine, it depends on distro and how things are set up I think |
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| 20:00.04 | Quibus | zleap: yes, so, I'm asking for Debian (on topic) |
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| 20:00.25 | octoserver | enouf: hey, either way, since i have pissed you off, ill at least keep you posted on what happens if I figure out want it was k :) |
| 20:00.43 | octoserver | enouf: Ill try to be more descriptive also ;) |
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| 20:01.04 | octoserver | enouf: I sometimes assume others can read my mind lol |
| 20:01.17 | enouf | Quibus: sure, that'll work - again, depends on how much OTHER crap you load up onto it and try to use |
| 20:01.23 | zinx | octoserver: most users assume people can read their mind |
| 20:01.57 | zinx | octoserver: except it's more "it's happening to Me, therefore everyone must know about it." |
| 20:02.36 | octoserver | brb |
| 20:03.08 | valdyn | Quibus: just try it, and dont expect firefox or openoffice.org work fast |
| 20:03.20 | enouf | octoserver: i'm not certain, i'd think it depends on when the FSs were made, on the mdX devices or on the partitions and then those were raided .. so ask fsck - watch it's output, mount things ro prior - have backup |
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| 20:03.55 | Quibus | valdyn: well, it's my friend's computer, I don't have access to it; he just asked me what to do. And he's a Linux newbie... but I couldn't stand recommending him to stop using Windows 95 |
| 20:04.39 | scientes | ahh it was sbin not being in the user path |
| 20:04.42 | enouf | i would not even try to get Firefox, nor OO.o to work on that little amount of ram |
| 20:04.59 | Quibus | he only wants to run one single program: openMSX :-) |
| 20:05.02 | enouf | scientes: or, just run /sbin/ifconfig ;-) |
| 20:05.11 | Quibus | But it needs X, of course. |
| 20:05.12 | enouf | whatever that is |
| 20:05.15 | Quibus | and he's a newbie |
| 20:05.23 | scientes | well i just had to realize i wasnt crazy |
| 20:05.23 | Quibus | enouf: apt-cache search openmsx |
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| 20:05.31 | valdyn | Quibus: what about a livecd? |
| 20:05.45 | abrotman | Quibus: why use a WM at all .. just start X with just that app |
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| 20:05.47 | enouf | yeah, start him off on small - Quibus /msg dpkg links2 for an alternate browser- there are others |
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| 20:05.59 | Quibus | abrotman: because he's a Linux newbie |
| 20:06.01 | gfather | hello guys |
| 20:06.09 | gfather | anyone can send me debian bootlog ? |
| 20:06.11 | scientes | cause ip is in /bin.ip |
| 20:06.25 | Quibus | enouf: I'm not sure browser are important at all |
| 20:06.29 | Quibus | +s |
| 20:06.35 | Quibus | valdyn: how does that help? |
| 20:06.48 | valdyn | Quibus: uh? |
| 20:06.59 | abrotman | gfather: why would you want mine? |
| 20:07.05 | valdyn | Quibus: a livecd is a linux distro that does not need to be installed |
| 20:07.05 | Quibus | valdyn: why would a live cd help? |
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| 20:07.15 | Quibus | valdyn: yes, how does that help? :-) |
| 20:07.25 | valdyn | Quibus: i dont understand how you can ask this |
| 20:07.32 | Quibus | apart from being able to try it out without installing... |
| 20:07.35 | hovis | Wierd permissions issue: http://rafb.net/p/5eKtas96.html |
| 20:07.36 | runa | hey. I've changed the definition of Mod1 using xmodmap but awesomewm do not seem to notice. Any hints? |
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| 20:07.41 | Quibus | But I think it takes more RAM as well |
| 20:07.47 | valdyn | Quibus: he can run his openmsx from a livecd. |
| 20:08.07 | \amethyst | hovis: no group-execute permission on the dir |
| 20:08.26 | \amethyst | hovis: you need execute permission to do anything with a dir other than seeing the list of files |
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| 20:08.37 | zleap | what is open MSX |
| 20:08.48 | Quibus | zleap: openmsx.sf.net |
| 20:08.56 | \amethyst | hovis: and since you share a group with the directory, it's not even looking at the fact that the file has other-execute permissions |
| 20:08.57 | enouf | IIRC, i think knoppix wants 144MB at the very least to pull up a full Desktop .. even when just run from CD/DVD, not even loaded into RAM - for that, you need 1G :-) |
| 20:09.08 | \amethyst | hovis: chmod g+x www |
| 20:09.09 | hovis | \amethyst: I see, ty |
| 20:09.24 | zleap | ah msx emulator. |
| 20:09.30 | zleap | my cousin had the original |
| 20:09.44 | Quibus | zleap: I still do :P |
| 20:09.53 | zleap | cool |
| 20:09.59 | zleap | i ahve a spectrum in my bedroom |
| 20:10.04 | zleap | needs setting up again i suppose |
| 20:10.28 | Quibus | I'm one of the authors of openMSX. Anyway, for more MSX liveness, check www.msx.org |
| 20:10.35 | zleap | cool |
| 20:10.42 | zleap | will pass on to my cousin |
| 20:10.51 | zleap | i remember a Mr Men game or something that came with it |
| 20:11.05 | dustybin | i think there are bugs in debian lenny 'monit' |
| 20:11.17 | dustybin | the built in web-server keeps on freezing |
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| 20:11.28 | dustybin | when i restart monit its ok |
| 20:11.46 | \\BAF\IRC | so nobody knows how i can fix that? |
| 20:12.04 | enouf | dustybin: for some reason, i'd thought you'd find some ;-) |
| 20:12.16 | Quibus | zleap: that doesn't sound familiar, but you could check www.generation-msx/msxdb |
| 20:12.19 | stew | \\BAF\IRC: can you wget that Packages.gz by hand and gzip -d it? |
| 20:12.22 | Quibus | +nl |
| 20:12.30 | stew | i wonder if it could be a pdiff problem |
| 20:12.30 | Quibus | arf, generation-msx.nl/msxdb |
| 20:12.34 | zleap | this was circa 1985, so a long time ago |
| 20:12.50 | zleap | i should get my spectrum emulator up and running again |
| 20:12.52 | Quibus | yes |
| 20:12.58 | zleap | i miss those old 8bit games |
| 20:13.10 | \amethyst | \\BAF\IRC: the only things I can think of are 1. memory or disk error causing gunzip to fail or 2. someone's mangling your network traffic |
| 20:13.36 | \\BAF\IRC | oh I see what it is |
| 20:13.48 | \\BAF\IRC | upon wget'ing it, ti is a messed up port 80 redirect |
| 20:13.52 | \\BAF\IRC | feels dumb |
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| 20:15.42 | dancor | i have (deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny non-free) in /etc/apt/sources.list and i have run (apt-get update), but (apt-cache search sun-java5-plugin) shows nothing. but this exists: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/web/sun-java5-plugin |
| 20:15.49 | dancor | what am i not getting |
| 20:16.13 | lavamind | hello, question about debian-installer (daily version), is it able to install grub2 as boot leader ? or only legacy version ? |
| 20:16.13 | stew | dancor: what arch are you on? |
| 20:16.21 | stew | dancor: amd64? |
| 20:16.22 | dancor | stew: ah, amd64 |
| 20:16.43 | dancor | no java for the wick64d |
| 20:16.53 | stew | dancor: yeah, sun only very recently released a browser plugin for amd64. you can use the opensource icedtea plugin instead |
| 20:17.04 | stew | dancor: icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 20:18.06 | \amethyst | dancor: note that Sun java itself is available for amd64 in Debian, just not the web plugin |
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| 20:18.14 | dancor | mm |
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| 20:19.16 | JordiGH | We're on Slashdot again. |
| 20:19.22 | JordiGH | And we're smarter than our giant kid brother. |
| 20:19.54 | \amethyst | that's one way to spin it :) |
| 20:19.54 | mhall | I have a report file that is in a hard to process multiline format and I want to get it into singleline. How can I do a regex which has a \n in the middle to strip out the newlines I don't want in the file? |
| 20:19.56 | abrotman | you joined to tell us that? |
| 20:20.06 | enouf | dancor: no 'main contrib' in that deb line? |
| 20:20.18 | \amethyst | the opposite way to spin it would be to say that Ubuntu's defaults are more usable than Debian's |
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| 20:20.29 | JordiGH | I joined to hang out, actually, and see what you guys are up to and what I can learn. |
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| 20:20.41 | JordiGH | \amethyst: That's counterrevolutionary. |
| 20:20.52 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Report to room 101, please. |
| 20:20.56 | dancor | enouf: oh i have separate lines, i didn't know you could combine them |
| 20:21.12 | dancor | cutting and pasting code again |
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| 20:21.59 | enouf | dancor: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free <-- and a possible deb-src line beneath it - and /msg dpkg security |
| 20:22.05 | lostson | stoned: !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:22.13 | lavamind | has anyone sucessfully installed lenny with grub2 bootloader ? |
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| 20:22.26 | abrotman | lavamind: i have |
| 20:22.44 | lavamind | after I set up my partitions, debian-installer only offers to install lilo |
| 20:22.57 | keith4 | did you use software raid and/or LVM in the installer? |
| 20:23.02 | dec3pti0n | anyone here uses munin ? |
| 20:23.10 | abrotman | lavamind: you're using lvm probably |
| 20:23.11 | lavamind | keith4, yes |
| 20:23.39 | lavamind | grub2 supports lvm though, no ? |
| 20:23.41 | enouf | did you leave a separate /boot out of the lvm ? |
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| 20:23.43 | gfather | guys anuone can send me his boot log ? |
| 20:23.47 | abrotman | gfather: why would you want mine? |
| 20:23.51 | gfather | *anyone |
| 20:23.59 | keith4 | that's an odd request |
| 20:24.03 | enouf | lavamind: yes, it does, however some caveats exist |
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| 20:24.11 | gfather | abrotman just researching something |
| 20:24.21 | gfather | pleas if you could send me yours |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | gfather: you're going to have to be more specific if you want my logs |
| 20:24.34 | dec3pti0n | I'mtrying to find out if there is any way for munin to just send one alert msg when the system load goes up .. and not every 5 minutes |
| 20:24.42 | gfather | abrotman i dont anything importand or have info on ur stuff |
| 20:24.44 | keith4 | maybe you should ask in #munin |
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| 20:24.59 | abrotman | gfather: then no, you can't have it ... if you can't tell me why, i'm not going to share it |
| 20:24.59 | gfather | just the boot log of when ur start ur mashine |
| 20:25.16 | enouf | gfather: google has millions |
| 20:25.17 | gfather | abrotman i told you im researching something |
| 20:25.36 | Heavy-D | hey guys, i'm trying to install Debian on my old IBM x342 server and one of the drives on my newly created logical drive keeps going defunct during the installation. Any ideas what might be causing this or how to fix? |
| 20:25.36 | \amethyst | yes, but you won't tell us what you're researching |
| 20:26.07 | abrotman | not good enough .. have a nice day |
| 20:26.07 | \amethyst | we don't like secrets |
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| 20:26.07 | x1250 | yeah |
| 20:26.07 | gfather | loooool |
| 20:26.07 | Heavy-D | It's an IBM ServeRAID 4Lx adapter |
| 20:26.07 | gfather | there is no secret in the subject |
| 20:26.08 | lavamind | enouf, according to Grub2 wiki, lvm on raid is supported |
| 20:26.13 | keith4 | Heavy-D: sounds like a bad drive |
| 20:26.17 | gfather | im trying to make diffrent boot log pictures in illustration |
| 20:26.23 | abrotman | lavamind: even /boot/ ? |
| 20:26.32 | lavamind | abrotman, yes |
| 20:26.42 | abrotman | and if /boot/ is on swraid ? |
| 20:26.46 | dec3pti0n | keith4, no one there |
| 20:26.48 | gfather | im doing some cool pictures with boot logs |
| 20:26.48 | Heavy-D | keith4: It was working fine with Windows 2000 only hours before I started this installation.. and now all of a sudden the drive is bad? |
| 20:26.52 | keith4 | *maybe* if it's swraid 1 |
| 20:26.56 | lavamind | abrotman, http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID |
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| 20:27.07 | keith4 | Heavy-D: heavy i/o could be revealing a bad drive, sure |
| 20:27.20 | \amethyst | gfather: to what end? for publication, testing a bootlog parser, ... ? |
| 20:27.31 | enouf | lavamind: check the debian installer and grub people then - email them - upstream doesn't mean in the installer- and IINM, there's been very recent bug fixes concerning that |
| 20:27.32 | keith4 | lavamind: sure, grub can boot to lvm. but you need to be able to get to grub first |
| 20:27.41 | abrotman | lavamind: FWIW .. the debian installer still uses grub1 i believe |
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| 20:27.43 | gfather | \amethyst> i already said it , im doing some pictures with bootlogs |
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| 20:27.44 | Heavy-D | keith4: Maybe i'll try remaking the array and then let it fully rebuild first... would that make any idfference? |
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| 20:28.13 | enouf | lavamind: just separate out a separate /boot and try again (would be what i;d do for now) |
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| 20:28.45 | lavamind | enouf, yeah, I think i'll just give up on LVM |
| 20:28.55 | enouf | lavamind: actually, ask in #grub |
| 20:28.58 | gfather | abrotman i told you , what do u need more ? |
| 20:28.59 | \amethyst | gfather: yes, I'm asking what the pictures are for. Someone's answer is likely to be different depending on whether they're going on a public website, going to an academic publication, or going into some internal company memo |
| 20:29.13 | keith4 | dec3pti0n: try the mailing list, then |
| 20:29.14 | gfather | \amethyst some posters |
| 20:29.23 | \amethyst | are you selling the posters? |
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| 20:29.29 | gfather | \amethyst nooo |
| 20:29.39 | gfather | im doing it for my friend place |
| 20:29.41 | lavamind | enouf, will do. |
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| 20:30.11 | lavamind | perhaps loop-aes encrypted root on LVM on RAID1 was a bit too ambitious |
| 20:30.14 | gfather | loool, is it that hard to get a bootlog , what info could harm you |
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| 20:30.26 | mhall | I have a report file that is in a hard to process multiline format and I want to get it into singleline. How can I do a regex which has a \n in the middle to strip out the newlines I don't want in the file? |
| 20:30.42 | enouf | lavamind: and consider, if a separate /boot is not needed, you might need to pull from source, or from upstream svn |
| 20:30.46 | Heavy-D | keith4: Any way you know of that i can rule out for sure whether the drive is bad or not? |
| 20:30.50 | \amethyst | gfather: nothing, but if you were going to be selling them some people might want a cut of the profit :) |
| 20:31.10 | gfather | \amethyst> lool , who want to buy a bootlog poster |
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| 20:31.22 | lavamind | enouf, right, though I was hoping to do it all from d-i |
| 20:31.24 | enouf | lavamind: mostly, and most times, those sorts of things work, again - caveats ;-) |
| 20:31.25 | gfather | im doing this for my friend place |
| 20:31.32 | enouf | lavamind: sure - i getcha |
| 20:31.37 | \amethyst | gfather: your friend apparently is willing to buy one if the price is $0 :) |
| 20:31.51 | gfather | \amethyst something like that |
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| 20:31.55 | gfather | :) |
| 20:32.02 | lavamind | enouf, have you had any success with loop-aes encrypted root ? |
| 20:32.02 | enouf | lavamind: have you checked the changelogs for grub-pc{*} pkgs? |
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| 20:32.53 | enouf | lavamind: i haven't tried, but i know others have- there have been bugs .. such like - but since fixed for 6 months now? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto |
| 20:33.10 | dazjorz | ladies and gentlemen, I have apt running on Cygwin :) |
| 20:33.14 | gfather | \amethyst u gonna help ? |
| 20:33.14 | dazjorz | took me three days, but it seems to be working |
| 20:33.54 | greymaus | Hey, I have installed etch, a package I need in in lenny, How to resolve? |
| 20:34.26 | enouf | lavamind: oh, and loop-aes over LUKs? not sure about that one thuogh |
| 20:34.30 | ike | greymaus: build package for etch or try backports.org. |
| 20:34.33 | \amethyst | gfather: I don't have bootlog enabled |
| 20:34.48 | lavamind | enouf, no, loop-aes using gpg, over lvm and raid |
| 20:34.54 | greymaus | Ta |
| 20:35.10 | greymaus | BTW, which is newer? |
| 20:35.15 | enouf | lavamind: when i said loop-aes over luks, i mean 'instead of' |
| 20:35.15 | lavamind | enouf, tough it doesnt sucessfully boot : ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy |
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| 20:35.30 | greymaus | (Newbie to Deb) |
| 20:35.31 | enouf | IOW chose one over the other |
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| 20:36.07 | enouf | lavamind: worthy of a bug report - even and installation report |
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| 20:36.34 | enouf | i've seen that error before though .. maybe not even loop-aes specific |
| 20:36.39 | lavamind | enouf, alright |
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| 20:37.00 | lavamind | enouf, i'll need to boot using sysreccd though to get to the report |
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| 20:37.35 | enouf | sure .. shame you didn't leave a little space for another possible small installation ;-) |
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| 20:38.19 | lavamind | enouf, well, i hope I would have had a working system after installation... ;) |
| 20:38.37 | enouf | i mean, you could always reclaim it easy with LVM, no? otherwoise, what's the point? :-P |
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| 20:39.48 | enouf | lavamind: yes, we all like when installs go off without a hitch ;-) |
| 20:39.48 | lavamind | enouf, yeah but then how do I boot it... remember root is encrypted |
| 20:40.15 | lavamind | enouf, alright I'll go and check if i can find out why its not booting |
| 20:40.17 | enouf | if you had another basic debian installation? |
| 20:40.25 | lavamind | enouf, thanks for the help |
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| 20:40.52 | enouf | you could easily boot into it - and supply a passphrase maybe to get at the info? |
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| 20:41.12 | enouf | it really depends on what's wrong though, i suppose |
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| 20:43.39 | Chops` | Hi, I'm trying to install git-core 1.5, how do I make apt use the unstable repo to get it? Or is there a better way? At the moment its loading the git-core 1.4 package. Thanks. |
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| 20:44.24 | simonrvn | Chops`: what debian release are you on? |
| 20:44.28 | \amethyst | Chops`: get it from backports, not unstable |
| 20:44.36 | fedya | what is the best method to ssh into a deb box? if i have BS send control h screen works but vim does not, if i dont send control-h vim works but screen does not |
| 20:45.03 | Chops` | simbioz - I'm not sure what release, sorry, I'm pretty new |
| 20:45.07 | \amethyst | Chops`: the sid version won't work on etch anyway because it's compiled against a newer libc |
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| 20:45.30 | Chops` | ah |
| 20:45.35 | Chops` | etch rings a bell |
| 20:45.50 | Chops` | so I'm stuck with 1.4? |
| 20:45.52 | \amethyst | Chops`: apt-cache policy git-core will tell you what versions you have available and what repositories they come from |
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| 20:46.09 | nvts | I got a text file. I'd like to add spaces to end of every line to make every line as long as the longest line in my file. how would I do this? |
| 20:46.24 | \amethyst | Chops`: you can set up the backports repository in /etc/apt/sources.list then use it |
| 20:46.24 | \amethyst | !bpo |
| 20:46.24 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 20:46.47 | Chops` | thanks \amethyst |
| 20:47.54 | \amethyst | Chops`: check out http://packages.debian.org/git-core for all the details |
| 20:48.07 | \amethyst | Chops`: about what is available in each release, and what they depend on |
| 20:48.09 | simonrvn | what he said :P |
| 20:48.36 | Chops` | :D |
| 20:48.41 | simonrvn | big water main broke here due to age and freezing cold. |
| 20:48.53 | simonrvn | 1891 it was put down... |
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| 20:50.17 | enouf | just in the US - we need to spend some Trillions (possibly many) on our failing infrastructure |
| 20:50.55 | xlotlu__ | Zeyna__: nice spamming |
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| 20:51.24 | stoned | lostson, yes |
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| 20:51.57 | abrotman | RichiH: tomaw 85.108.188.2 on join spammer |
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| 20:52.11 | tomaw | abrotman: ta |
| 20:52.16 | xlotlu | gotta love freenode |
| 20:52.35 | stoned | it wasn't that much a problem when freenode was smaller back in the day |
| 20:52.41 | abrotman | xlotlu: thanks |
| 20:52.45 | stoned | anytime a network gets large, spammers are bound to come |
| 20:52.55 | stoned | more people on a network = more spam targets |
| 20:53.08 | abrotman | golly, that's good logic you got there |
| 20:53.21 | stoned | ain't it though |
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| 20:54.16 | Chops` | \amethyst - if I told you we were using sarge, would you kill me? :( |
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| 20:55.46 | simonrvn | Chops`: no, just tell you to update asap |
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| 20:56.32 | scientes | how can i allow exim to listen on ipv6? |
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| 20:56.50 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:56.52 | scientes | i did interfaces=0.0.0.0,[::] |
| 20:56.58 | Chops` | simonrvn - Ok, well, this is on a server with a few users, I have root, but could upgrading mess things up? |
| 20:57.06 | scientes | [::/0]? |
| 20:57.11 | eptalon | do we have a packages version of 2.6.27 yet? |
| 20:57.24 | scientes | or [2000::/3]? |
| 20:57.39 | craigevil | eptalon: nope |
| 20:57.41 | simonrvn | Chops`: not seriously, there's a few caveats though. check the release notes. |
| 20:57.49 | dazjorz | scientes: did you try if [::] works? |
| 20:57.56 | scientes | [::] did not work |
| 20:58.00 | dazjorz | maybe it is even just ::, don't know about exim |
| 20:58.27 | eptalon | craigevil: why does it take so olng? |
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| 20:58.42 | eptalon | would have expected something on buildservers. |
| 20:58.45 | craigevil | because lenny is frozen :) |
| 20:58.47 | scientes | it turns [::] into wither : or [:] in the error message |
| 20:59.15 | scientes | even :: doesnt work |
| 20:59.17 | scientes | arg |
| 20:59.18 | eptalon | craigevil: how would that affect sid/experimental? |
| 20:59.25 | scientes | maybe ill do postfix... |
| 20:59.48 | enouf | lsmod | grep ipv6 ? |
| 20:59.51 | craigevil | sid is pretty much stagnant as well, and even exp doesnt get much in th way of new packages |
| 21:00.11 | scientes | loaded |
| 21:00.26 | scientes | hmm 0.0.0.0 results in exim panic |
| 21:00.51 | scientes | as does real address so somthing is probably broken otherwise, but this is a fresh install |
| 21:00.54 | scientes | lenny |
| 21:00.59 | enouf | rgrep -l ipv6 /etc/mod*/* ? |
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| 21:01.24 | scientes | returns /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 21:01.38 | enouf | well, now remove the -l ;-) |
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| 21:02.09 | enouf | check file's comments there about that setting - but if it's fresh, it's likely normal |
| 21:02.32 | theholyduck | eptalon, there are places you can get 2.6.27 kernels for debian |
| 21:02.54 | scientes | ah it was just the old errors causing probs, now trying to get ipv6 again |
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| 21:04.16 | octoserver | enouf: i know you already told me, but could you good way to umount / so i can fsck it ? |
| 21:04.20 | eptalon | theholyduck: its not that important |
| 21:04.32 | octoserver | enouf: could you tell me* |
| 21:04.34 | valdyn | octoserver: you cant unmount / |
| 21:04.40 | theholyduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.43 | enouf | octoserver: i suggested remount ro - mount -o remount,ro / |
| 21:04.47 | octoserver | i get error device busy |
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| 21:04.59 | stew | you don't want to fsck a mounted volume |
| 21:05.09 | stew | fsck will cally you a "BONEHEAD" |
| 21:05.14 | octoserver | enouf: ahhh, thta is what that line inthe kernel command is for remout as -ro ? |
| 21:05.20 | enouf | stew: not a ro mounted one |
| 21:05.25 | stew | enouf: yes |
| 21:05.35 | enouf | not here |
| 21:05.38 | jelly-home | stew: unless it's mounted read-only and you reboot immediately afterwards |
| 21:05.40 | octoserver | enouf: i can do that right now even while in kde ? |
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| 21:05.48 | enouf | i just did it stew - but yes, single boot mode |
| 21:06.01 | enouf | octoserver: no, and i wouldn't |
| 21:06.02 | Liantedan | I'm having a problem with a checkfs error ( I have to press ctrl+d to continue booting ), I have read the error log, I have checked the UUID that is causing the error, but it seems to exist just fine, and now I have no clue what to do next to try to fix it. Can someone please point me in the right direction ? I have the error at http://baltakov.dyndns.org/noBots/linux/ along with a verification of the UUID involved |
| 21:06.04 | jelly-home | octoserver: it's better to reboot in single user and fix it there |
| 21:06.04 | enouf | i told you waht to do |
| 21:06.20 | octoserver | enouf: k, is that the same as droping to init 1 ? |
| 21:06.24 | enouf | no |
| 21:06.27 | Ace2016_- | I can't seem to get package diversions to work, you can see the output of dpkg-divert --list showing the divert but when the package is reinstalled the file doesn't look to be diverted: http://pastebin.com/m4855c99a |
| 21:06.31 | octoserver | ok |
| 21:06.40 | stew | e2fsck/problem.c: "\tOR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM.\n" |
| 21:07.06 | jelly-home | !win stew |
| 21:07.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:07.36 | enouf | octoserver: but for safest, do- boot into single; login as root; "touch /forcefsck" ; make sure your last field for / is 1 in /etc/fstaband all others are 0 or 2 |
| 21:07.37 | eptalon | stew: some filesystems support it, ext2/3 doesnt. |
| 21:07.53 | valdyn | uh |
| 21:08.06 | valdyn | fsck on an ro mounted fs works fine even with ext3, for all i know |
| 21:08.13 | valdyn | just dont rw mount it again |
| 21:08.15 | stew | it calls you a bonehead though |
| 21:08.29 | valdyn | nope, not in my locale |
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| 21:09.21 | stew | valdyn: tODER EIN TROTTEL (SIE) PRÃFT EIN EINGEHÃNGTES (AKTIVES) DATEISYSTEM |
| 21:09.24 | octoserver | ok thanks, ill do that now enouf |
| 21:09.39 | scientes | [::1]: forward host lookup failed: Unknown server error |
| 21:09.39 | valdyn | stew: Im not getting that message either |
| 21:10.13 | valdyn | stew: even mounted rw i dont |
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| 21:10.28 | stew | valdyn: you are actually letting it fsck a rw filesystem? |
| 21:10.37 | valdyn | stew: yea |
| 21:10.39 | eptalon | valdyn: fsck? |
| 21:11.00 | valdyn | stew: i *know* that that is dangerous though |
| 21:11.00 | eptalon | valdyn: That warns on mounted fses |
| 21:11.30 | stew | valdyn: how does 'TROTTEL' literally translate? |
| 21:11.57 | stew | heh, google says "ninny" |
| 21:12.20 | valdyn | stew: someone clumsy too |
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| 21:12.44 | [sr] | hi people |
| 21:12.48 | enouf | neinkomptpoopiehead? |
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| 21:13.09 | [sr] | hi cam i make rcp.statd bind on other interface other than localhost? |
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| 21:13.24 | valdyn | stew: the BONEHEAD stuff is in my executable, but i still dont get to see it =/ |
| 21:13.39 | octoserver | enouf: i just checked my fstab and / is 0 1 , and i do have another one (md4-just music crap) that is 1 1 ? |
| 21:13.45 | jo4 | Is ext4 a viable option for a 100 users server or is there another fs tha would yield more stability and speed? |
| 21:13.58 | jelly-home | jo4: ext4 is really really new. |
| 21:14.02 | [sr] | i dont see any option :( |
| 21:14.04 | enouf | octoserver: change md4 to 0 2 or 1 2 |
| 21:14.09 | valdyn | jo4: you realise that ext4 is very new and hardly comparable to ext3 in stability? |
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| 21:14.32 | octoserver | enouf: k, my boot and home are 0 2 also |
| 21:14.33 | enouf | octoserver: you want to dump your md4? if not make it 0 2 |
| 21:15.02 | jo4 | Yeah, i new it was new, but not *that* new ;p any reccomendations then? |
| 21:15.36 | jelly-home | jo4: ext3 is the conservative option |
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| 21:16.03 | valdyn | jo4: depends on what you want to do, google for benchmarks |
| 21:16.17 | valdyn | jo4: xfs is very well maintained also |
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| 21:16.39 | eptalon | jo4: I use xfs for everything. |
| 21:16.44 | valdyn | jo4: and has the usual tools |
| 21:16.57 | jo4 | hmm.. ok, i'll check out that then.. |
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| 21:17.15 | jo4 | is there alot of activity on ext4 btw? |
| 21:17.28 | valdyn | jo4: like what? bug fixing? |
| 21:17.46 | valdyn | jo4: im sure you can search the lkml for ext4 yourself... |
| 21:17.50 | jo4 | valdyn, yeah, and further dev |
| 21:17.55 | jo4 | kk then |
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| 21:18.08 | eptalon | jo4: However note: xfs doesnt like power failures; I suggest getting an UPS, and perhaps doing a (software)? RAID. |
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| 21:18.38 | jo4 | eptalon, tru.. we have ups and raid5 on the thing |
| 21:18.38 | valdyn | jo4: ext4 should be pretty much complete, its not supposed to be a real modern fs |
| 21:18.44 | octoserver | enouf: :) i see what you men about dump, dont need to :) im not sure why it was 1 in the 5th column, k rebooting to single :) |
| 21:18.47 | jelly-home | eptalon: that power failure thing was supposed to be fixed a long time ago |
| 21:18.47 | eptalon | jo4: ZFS might also be an option, but thats quite new and might need (Open)Solaris.. |
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| 21:19.03 | eptalon | jelly-home: Good to know. |
| 21:19.22 | jelly-home | !xfs |
| 21:19.22 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
| 21:20.03 | jo4 | eptalon, why do you say *might need solaris*? |
| 21:20.10 | jelly-home | ZFS is definitely not an option for Debian |
| 21:20.17 | jo4 | oh ok |
| 21:20.26 | jo4 | jelly-home, reason? |
| 21:20.33 | valdyn | jo4: license |
| 21:20.39 | jo4 | ah, ok |
| 21:20.52 | jelly-home | jo4: it's not available for linux at all, except as a fuse hack |
| 21:20.55 | eptalon | jo4: there are licensing issues; there is a FUSE thing. |
| 21:20.59 | mphill | CDDL is not compatible with GPL |
| 21:21.17 | valdyn | jo4: are you even dealing with large files on that system? |
| 21:21.27 | jo4 | valdyn, nah |
| 21:21.33 | valdyn | jo4: so go with ext3 |
| 21:21.50 | jo4 | valdyn, you recon it's fast *enough*? |
| 21:21.52 | eptalon | valdyn: I more though about the RAID-Z impl. |
| 21:21.53 | mphill | joe4: what are you trying to accomplish with xfs? |
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| 21:22.05 | jelly-home | jo4: what sort of users are you going to have? samba/fileserver? shared webhosting? shell? |
| 21:22.20 | jo4 | mphill, nothing, just heaing advice on what fs to use on a new install |
| 21:22.21 | valdyn | jo4: uh, you probably wont know before you try |
| 21:22.33 | dustybin | enouf: monit doesnt restart services and it crashes, apart from that it seems ok :P |
| 21:22.35 | jo4 | it's webhosting + dns basicly |
| 21:22.55 | eptalon | jo4: dns isnt a resource hog. |
| 21:22.56 | valdyn | jo4: its more expensive hardware vs risking your data? |
| 21:23.02 | jo4 | not at all valdyn |
| 21:23.07 | jelly-home | jo4: no need to worry about filesystem speeds in that case |
| 21:23.15 | valdyn | jo4: what then? |
| 21:23.29 | jelly-home | jo4: I still have to see a disk-bound web server. |
| 21:23.31 | mphill | jo4: just go with ext3, when ext4 is in the debian kernel you can "upgrade" to that using tune2fs. then you can get extents. whoo! |
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| 21:23.38 | jo4 | expensive hw like what? |
| 21:23.51 | jo4 | mphill, oh, cool |
| 21:24.13 | enouf | dustybin: you mean there's no mechanism for running for example; "/etc/init.d/servicename restart" ? or do you mean something else? |
| 21:24.24 | jo4 | valdyn, expensive hw like what? |
| 21:24.27 | eptalon | jo4: go with something proven (xfs: fast, reliable), rather than with a possibly buggy ext4 implementation. |
| 21:24.32 | valdyn | jo4: ssd? whatever |
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| 21:24.44 | eptalon | if speed is an issue do not take ext3 |
| 21:25.17 | jo4 | eptalon, that's my point.. i'm looking for viable alternatives |
| 21:25.32 | jelly-home | jo4: why? |
| 21:25.51 | valdyn | eptalon: thats a little to much, as ext3 isnt really generally slower than xfs |
| 21:26.00 | dustybin | Jan 16 20:03:51 private monit[2322]: 'mythbackend' start: /etc/init.d/mythbackend |
| 21:26.03 | dustybin | Jan 16 20:03:51 private monit[2322]: 'mythbackend' failed to start |
| 21:26.04 | jelly-home | jo4: what makes you think you need to worry about the filesystem? |
| 21:26.05 | jo4 | jelly-home, because i'm a student and that's what i'm suppose to do ;P |
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| 21:26.37 | eptalon | jelly-home: xfs. |
| 21:26.40 | jo4 | it's just a server for our student org |
| 21:26.56 | dustybin | there are _LOTS_ of monitoring tools |
| 21:26.57 | dustybin | cacti - Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services |
| 21:26.58 | \amethyst | valdyn: some operations can be; deletes I think are supposed to be really bad in ext3 |
| 21:26.58 | jelly-home | eptalon: ? |
| 21:27.03 | eptalon | valdyn: tools for xfs are better. |
| 21:27.10 | eptalon | jelly-home: was ment for jo4 |
| 21:27.13 | jelly-home | ! |
| 21:27.14 | valdyn | eptalon: yes they are |
| 21:27.15 | \amethyst | XFS has some nice features, like freezing |
| 21:27.30 | eptalon | \amethyst: or growing at runtime. |
| 21:27.47 | jo4 | ok, i'll check xfs then ;D thanks for the chat |
| 21:27.53 | jelly-home | eptalon: ext3 does online resize as well |
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| 21:28.31 | jo4 | no wait, license porblems wasn't it? :p |
| 21:28.42 | valdyn | jo4: thats zfs |
| 21:28.50 | jo4 | oh, ok, my bad |
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| 21:29.12 | enouf | !jfs |
| 21:29.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jfs is Journaled File System from IBM, licensed under the GPL. Fast and very reliable. Performance has improved significantly since initial release(s). Give it a try!, or http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/jfs/ |
| 21:29.24 | enouf | just had to stick that in :-p |
| 21:29.47 | jelly-home | enouf: hell yes, let's suggest less proven fs for production machines! |
| 21:29.55 | eptalon | enouf: Is that maintained at all? |
| 21:30.04 | enouf | student != production! |
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| 21:30.21 | jelly-home | enouf: tell that to his 100 users when the machine dies |
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| 21:30.51 | stew | when in doubt, use ext3 |
| 21:30.57 | valdyn | the factoid about xfs is misleading.. |
| 21:30.58 | valdyn | !xfs |
| 21:30.59 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Data lossage on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
| 21:31.06 | jelly-home | enouf: web server for an org with ~100 users is pretty much the definition of "production" |
| 21:31.25 | jelly-home | valdyn: fix it! |
| 21:31.29 | valdyn | dpkg =~ s/Data lossage/Filesystem failure/ |
| 21:31.30 | dpkg | valdyn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 21:31.36 | valdyn | gah |
| 21:31.40 | valdyn | dpkg xfs =~ s/Data lossage/Filesystem failure/ |
| 21:31.40 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 21:31.46 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 21:31.50 | enouf | fixed! |
| 21:31.50 | \amethyst | XFS isn't data-journalled |
| 21:32.06 | jelly-home | valdyn: data lossage is a better description of "oh my files have been zeroed", though |
| 21:32.07 | valdyn | no trick can fix data lossage on md or lvm anyway |
| 21:32.30 | valdyn | jelly-home: but data lossage is not fixed |
| 21:32.38 | dropper | I've just finished a very minimal Debian install which dropped me in to Busybox. What should my next step be-- installing bash or aptitude? |
| 21:32.38 | jelly-home | to me, "filesystem failure" associates with "total failure" |
| 21:32.41 | eptalon | \amethyst: only ext3 is.. |
| 21:33.29 | dropper | I'd like to at least add bash and a packagemanager, hence my question.... |
| 21:33.46 | eptalon | valdyn: how would you get data loss on a "production" system, given your raid does not fail twice? |
| 21:33.51 | Liantedan | I'm having a problem with a checkfs error ( I have to press ctrl+d to continue booting ), I have read the error log, I have checked the UUID that is causing the error, but it seems to exist just fine, and now I have no clue what to do next to try to fix it. Can someone please point me in the right direction ? |
| 21:33.53 | jelly-home | dropper: "very minimal"? |
| 21:34.03 | dropper | it was from a net install image |
| 21:34.04 | valdyn | eptalon: switch off power during write |
| 21:34.13 | dropper | so no shells, no package manager, just busy box |
| 21:34.35 | dropper | the net install did, however, after selecting a mirror, allow me to install apache |
| 21:34.37 | dropper | woo. |
| 21:34.41 | jelly-home | dropper: a netinst image gives you a complete system, with bash, consoles etc. |
| 21:34.44 | eptalon | valdyn: in a production system secured by an UPS? |
| 21:34.44 | enouf | stew: that bonehead warning refers to the above comment -> /* Inode ref count wrong */ ... and the (LIVE) implies (to me) mounted "rw" |
| 21:35.02 | dropper | hmm, this one doesn't have consoles.... I tried the install twice |
| 21:35.23 | dropper | any suggestions other than resinstalling with a differnent image? |
| 21:35.25 | jelly-home | dropper: something went wrong or you're not using the ~150MB netinst image |
| 21:35.25 | valdyn | eptalon: the xfs factoid just happens to talk about power failures explicitely |
| 21:35.34 | enouf | stew: i'm not a c-coder though (as you know), so i can't say what exactly what it's checking there. |
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| 21:35.34 | dustybin | enouf: im going to re-test monit, ill paste errors |
| 21:36.08 | dropper | the only thing that went wrong was the LILO install complained, but it still seemed to boot after install |
| 21:36.14 | dropper | prefer grub anyway |
| 21:36.23 | jelly-home | valdyn: and repeating the word failure twice is bad form ;-) |
| 21:36.23 | enouf | http://e2fsprogs.sourcearchive.com/documentation/1.41.3-1ubuntu1/problem_8c-source.html i found, if anyone wants to gander |
| 21:36.38 | valdyn | jelly-home: yea, fix it |
| 21:36.54 | jelly-home | valdyn: I can't... I'd just revert it. |
| 21:37.05 | \amethyst | valdyn: right, but losing data isn't filesystem failure |
| 21:37.15 | dropper | my main question is whether I can install a PM like apititude from source and take it from there |
| 21:37.20 | valdyn | ok |
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| 21:37.27 | \amethyst | filesystem failure to me implies inconsistency in the inodes or in the directory structure |
| 21:37.32 | jelly-home | dropper: there's absolutely no need to install it from source |
| 21:37.40 | stew | enouf: i could be crazy, but I'd swear that when I got that it was on a readonly filesystem |
| 21:37.41 | valdyn | dpkg xfs =~ s/Filesystem failure/Zeroed files/ |
| 21:37.41 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 21:37.49 | jelly-home | dropper: pastebin your "dpkg -l" |
| 21:37.50 | \amethyst | excellent |
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| 21:37.53 | valdyn | !xfs |
| 21:37.53 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support, see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since like 2.6.17, see eg. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. |
| 21:38.29 | dropper | jelly-home: I don't think busybox has dpkg ?? |
| 21:38.39 | stew | certainly not |
| 21:38.41 | \amethyst | ! xfs =~ s/journalling/(metadata-only) journalling/ |
| 21:38.41 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called ' xfs' to modify, \amethyst |
| 21:38.47 | \amethyst | !xfs =~ s/journalling/(metadata-only) journalling/ |
| 21:38.48 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 21:38.50 | dropper | which dpkg = 0 |
| 21:38.51 | jelly-home | dropper: I don't think you have booted the system correctly. |
| 21:39.01 | eptalon | valdyn: can you have boot/root on xfs yet?- if you use grub to boot? |
| 21:39.09 | dropper | ah jelly-home that could be it, since the LILO part of the install complained |
| 21:39.12 | valdyn | eptalon: no idea |
| 21:39.23 | dropper | but it still seems like there is only one kernel, and the file system is all there |
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| 21:39.37 | dropper | so it *looks* like working system |
| 21:39.39 | valdyn | eptalon: grub2 seems to have an xfs driver |
| 21:39.49 | meyou | eptalon: my web box is all xfs and it uses grub |
| 21:39.52 | jelly-home | dropper: busybox appears when the root filesystem cannot be mounted (and control transferred from initrd to the real system) |
| 21:39.58 | meyou | fwiwi |
| 21:40.01 | meyou | *fwiw |
| 21:40.04 | peleg | Can I killall processes using wildcards somehow? |
| 21:40.13 | eptalon | meyou: looks good, 2.6.x kernel? |
| 21:40.22 | jelly-home | peleg: man pkill |
| 21:40.30 | peleg | pkill. ok, thanks! |
| 21:40.31 | meyou | eptalon: 2.4x actually |
| 21:40.32 | dropper | jelly-home: ah thanks then, could that just be a LILO error, since the base system install didn't report any errors? |
| 21:40.47 | meyou | should probably update this pig |
| 21:41.03 | jelly-home | dropper: I have no idea, can you paste a screenshot immediately after the reboot? |
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| 21:41.22 | eptalon | meyou: We are at 2.6.26 (28 released) .. |
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| 21:41.55 | lindenle | Hi is there any software for doing photo forensics in Linux (i.e zoom and enhance)? |
| 21:41.57 | enouf | stew: to be fair, (i recently -few days back- had a power failure, and i was more concerned with finding fuses at the time) i might have only done that to my non-root reiserfs partitions, and did the "touch /forcefsck" to my root (ext3), i forget - but i was in single boot mode, that's for sure, and i noticed only udevd, dhcpcd, and init running from ps/pstree then, and i remounted all 'ro' prior to any fsck - but i guess i had to remount / |
| 21:41.58 | enouf | do the 'touch' |
| 21:42.23 | enouf | stew: if and when i reboot - i too will test - but valdyn seems to have a point as well about that |
| 21:42.47 | dropper | jelly-home: aha this might explain it: "mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:42.47 | dropper | " |
| 21:43.01 | dropper | followed by "mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.02 | dropper | " |
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| 21:43.26 | dropper | and the kicker: "Target filessystem doesn't have /sbin/init" |
| 21:43.31 | dropper | ack. |
| 21:43.34 | enouf | stew: ('done that to my non-root' == done a live fsck.reiserfs) which is just a script pointing to /sbin/reiserfsck with an option or two |
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| 21:44.11 | jelly-home | dropper: is the real filesystem really mounted at /root ? |
| 21:44.16 | stew | can I invoke some godwin corollary now that you have mentioned reiserfs in a discussion of filesystems? |
| 21:44.38 | enouf | heh - note! it's v3.6 ;-) |
| 21:44.43 | eptalon | Reiserfs any good? |
| 21:44.49 | enouf | i like it |
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| 21:44.57 | JordiGH | What's with filesystem discussions? Planet Debian is abuzz with them too. |
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| 21:45.14 | toolz | how do I see all connection on a specified port on my machine? |
| 21:45.16 | JordiGH | It stores your files, it works, it requires a fsck once in a while, what else would you care about? |
| 21:45.18 | stew | i hear reiser4 is more efficient a losing data than any version of reiser3 |
| 21:45.20 | dropper | jelly-home: I don't know for sure now |
| 21:45.23 | JordiGH | toolz: netstat |
| 21:45.27 | enouf | toolz: netstat and lsof |
| 21:45.34 | dropper | I am kind of doubting it |
| 21:45.41 | eptalon | JordiGH: Stability and testedness vs. speed (aka. how fast you can lose your data) |
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| 21:45.53 | enouf | stew: it's a killer filesystem you say? :-P |
| 21:45.56 | enouf | hides |
| 21:46.05 | stew | now i really invoke godwin |
| 21:46.07 | stew | :) |
| 21:46.19 | eptalon | enouf: Reiser is serving some time... |
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| 21:46.39 | jelly-home | eptalon: reiserfsck takes 10-50 times to run compared to e2fsck on a similarly-sized fs |
| 21:46.45 | dropper | when I boot the machine it seems to boot from the *only* kernel, and make it quite far into the boot process... I am trying to figure out if this is just a LILO error |
| 21:46.53 | enouf | jelly-home: what? you're nuts |
| 21:47.10 | jelly-home | eptalon: I hope your kernel doesn't panic or a power loss happens |
| 21:47.22 | jelly-home | enouf: nope, why? |
| 21:47.37 | \amethyst | dpkg, fsgodwin is in "As a discussion about filesystems grows longer, the probability of a joke about Hans Reiser's murder conviction approaches one." |
| 21:47.37 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 21:47.40 | amphi | reisersck is very scary |
| 21:47.46 | amphi | *reiserfsck |
| 21:48.01 | enouf | e2fsck takes atleast 5x longer than my reiserfscks - AND the drive has 1/10th the amount of data |
| 21:48.32 | \amethyst | dpkg, fsgodwin =~ s/in "/"/ |
| 21:48.33 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 21:48.33 | jelly-home | enouf: hope you don't get actual corruption on that fs |
| 21:48.41 | stew | enouf: did you have 1/10th the amount of data before or after running reiserfsck? |
| 21:48.49 | amphi | heh |
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| 21:49.05 | enouf | stew: very funny - but that's the drive with ext3 ;-) |
| 21:49.10 | eptalon | jelly-home: I have no ups, and a softraid 5; last "power failure" this morning. |
| 21:49.26 | toolz | is there any specific firewall for debian instead of iptables |
| 21:49.29 | enouf | stew: ext3 dfrive == 8.4GB .. reiserfs drives/partitions == 80GB |
| 21:49.30 | jelly-home | enouf: I've witnessed 72hr reiserfsck runs; after that, we got rid of it fairly quickly |
| 21:50.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:50.32 | \amethyst | jelly-home: did they ever fix the problem where if you have a reiserfs image file on a reiserfs filesystem, fsck will do evil evil things? |
| 21:50.33 | enouf | just to show some mount options |
| 21:51.10 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I think some magic was added to metadata, yes |
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| 21:51.56 | jelly-home | \amethyst: but really I don't remember |
| 21:54.16 | enouf | \amethyst: append 'too many' after 'one' in your fsgodwin ;-) |
| 21:55.00 | eptalon | enouf: 1 gb boot (ext3), 1G root (xfs); rest (760G) xfs (home, var,usr) |
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| 21:55.34 | toolz | is there any specific firewall for debian instead of iptables? |
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| 21:56.07 | dustybin | enouf: this is what happens when i manually turn off mythbackend daemon: http://paste.debian.net/26163/ |
| 21:56.11 | peppe | toolz: isn't iptables specific for debian? |
| 21:56.15 | dustybin | mythbackend doesnt restart |
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| 21:56.21 | toolz | no idea, is there anything else? |
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| 21:56.23 | newsense | peppe, no |
| 21:56.37 | ice799 | iptables is part of the linux kernel. |
| 21:56.44 | ice799 | there are several front ends you can use for iptables |
| 21:56.45 | newsense | peppe, linux kernel specific i believe |
| 21:56.51 | jelly-home | netfilter is part of the linux kernel! |
| 21:57.00 | abrotman | there is #iptables also |
| 21:57.06 | ice799 | such as shorewall, and others. |
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| 21:57.46 | lavamind | enouf, i maigth have found the problem |
| 21:57.47 | dustybin | enouf: this is the email sent from monit: http://paste.debian.net/26164/ |
| 21:57.49 | eptalon | ice799: shorewall relies on iptables.. |
| 21:57.54 | enouf | eptalon: the power failure thing reaches critical mass if using hardware raid w/caching write-backs or whatever .. with no UPS, you're SOL |
| 21:57.54 | vn0 | hi, can anyone tell me if this is normal bind behavior? thanks : http://pastebin.ca/1310384 |
| 21:58.01 | newsense | might as well just write some iptables rules |
| 21:58.01 | ice799 | eptalon: I know. |
| 21:58.10 | ice799 | eptalon: read my previous message. |
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| 21:58.32 | newsense | toolz, i know a site with some good starter rules for various setups if ya need them |
| 21:58.33 | lavamind | enouf, the loop-aes initrd scripts are trying to mount the filesystem over a loop node that's already used by something else |
| 21:58.35 | enouf | dustybin: interesting .. now, what the heck is this mythnackend? a distro? |
| 21:58.47 | eptalon | enouf: given the cost for hw raid, it would be foolish not to include an UPS. |
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| 21:58.52 | toolz | newsense gimme the site |
| 21:58.54 | toolz | please |
| 21:59.01 | newsense | k |
| 21:59.12 | ice799 | like i just mentioned, shorewall is a simplified front end |
| 21:59.15 | newsense | http://danieldegraaf.afraid.org/info/iptables/examples |
| 21:59.19 | enouf | lavamind: seems so - LOOP_DEV_FD or whatever would be 'fd' partitionID for the RAID'd partitions i guess |
| 21:59.20 | ice799 | that makes creating rules easier. |
| 21:59.24 | dustybin | enouf: that is mythtv, its the backend part, that works fine |
| 21:59.25 | swolchok | are there plans to replace MD5 in the debian package system yet? |
| 21:59.30 | swolchok | it's broken... |
| 21:59.35 | newsense | tools, best way in my opinion to have the rules is loaded is via a line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:59.47 | enouf | eptalon: many people use hardware raid with cheap disks, let alone UPS |
| 22:00.07 | dustybin | enouf: does monit run as the user root? if it doesnt, maybe it doesnt have permission to start daemons? |
| 22:00.20 | jelly-home | <eptalon> jelly-home: I have no ups, and a softraid 5; last "power failure" this morning. # hope your backups are valid |
| 22:00.34 | enouf | dustybin: how would i know? i never got into installing it - just reading docs |
| 22:00.46 | enouf | dustybin: i'm sure you can easily find out ;-) |
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| 22:01.08 | ice799 | eptalon: meh. save the money you'd spend on a UPS and get a BBU instead. |
| 22:01.25 | ice799 | eptalon: especially if you have write-caching enabled ;] |
| 22:01.40 | jelly-home | ice799: a BBU... for softraid? |
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| 22:01.57 | ice799 | jelly-home: no, he was talking about the cost of hw raid as a justification for getting a UPS or whatever |
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| 22:02.15 | jelly-home | oh |
| 22:02.20 | ice799 | it was: eptalon | enouf: given the cost for hw raid, it would be foolish not to include an UPS. |
| 22:02.31 | ice799 | it would be foolish not to include a BBU |
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| 22:03.08 | enouf | lavamind: do you have enough loop devices setup during boot? the default count is 8, but you can increase that up to 255 or so, IIRC |
| 22:03.11 | jelly-home | ice799: whatever, a UPS does more things than BBU can; it keeps the plates spinning and allows graceful shutdown |
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| 22:03.40 | ice799 | jelly-home: yeah i mean, none of that matters. as long as your data is consistent, who cares. |
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| 22:03.52 | jelly-home | and using hw raid without a BBU is just... incomplete |
| 22:04.08 | ice799 | only if you have write-caching enabled |
| 22:04.10 | ice799 | otherwise, doesn't matter. |
| 22:04.31 | Ace2016_- | why doesn't man aptitude let me go up? i press enter to go down but it refuses to let me go back up |
| 22:04.32 | jelly-home | otherwise, suffer raid5 write penalties |
| 22:04.37 | dazjorz | what's a BBU, if I may ask ? :) |
| 22:04.55 | jelly-home | dazjorz: battery for hw raid's cache |
| 22:05.05 | dazjorz | it's probably not an airport, and not the Baptist Bible Union, I guess |
| 22:05.09 | dazjorz | ah, I see |
| 22:05.27 | jelly-home | !wtf bbu |
| 22:05.28 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what bbu means... |
| 22:05.33 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck |
| 22:05.33 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 22:05.43 | enouf | !wtfbbq |
| 22:05.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, bbq is http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/grill1.mpeg |
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| 22:06.08 | jelly-home | dazjorz: battery backup unit, or something in that vein |
| 22:07.18 | eptalon | enouf: I am doing software raid for a home "server"; nevertheless I bought drives that are specified for 24/7 operation. |
| 22:07.20 | phorce1 | has a UPS that will run the 12 servers, Cisco 2600, 2 24port gigE switches, and old Maxxtro 16 port KVM, and 22" LCD monitor for about 5 hours. Plenty of time for a 'graceful' shutdown |
| 22:07.34 | eptalon | enouf: there is no point in saving 50 bucks. |
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| 22:07.50 | martiiin | I use putty to connect to my debian machine, can I somehow start a program in a hidden window? |
| 22:08.03 | abrotman | like .. using screen ? |
| 22:08.14 | phorce1 | screen ftw |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | phorce1: but can it make eggs? |
| 22:08.42 | phorce1 | abrotman: with that much plugged into a 48VDC inverter --- probably |
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| 22:09.24 | eptalon | martiiin: screen, but only for console apps. |
| 22:09.28 | enouf | dpkg: wtfbbq =~ s,http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/grill1.mpeg,http://www.mpcfaculty.net/ron_rinehart/grilfire.jpg, |
| 22:09.28 | dpkg | enouf: i didn't have anything called 'wtfbbq' to modify |
| 22:09.30 | bmoll8 | i'd like to install debian using an intel dual core processor. It doesn't seem this architecture is supported on the Debian page (I do see amd64 however). Will using amd64 architecture iso work? |
| 22:09.36 | vn0 | my bind has strange issues, what could cause that? http://pastebin.ca/1310391 |
| 22:09.39 | enouf | !wtfbbq |
| 22:09.39 | dpkg | methinks bbq is http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/grill1.mpeg |
| 22:09.42 | vn0 | this host is hammering me |
| 22:09.46 | phorce1 | I have a couple of slightly larger ones but they use 120VDC inverters and I can't afford 10 big batteries for each of them just yet |
| 22:09.58 | enouf | er .. |
| 22:10.15 | eptalon | bmoll8: I have an Intel Pentium D (2 generations before yours), and it does. |
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| 22:10.26 | bmoll8 | eptalon: so you use the amd64 iso? |
| 22:10.50 | meyou | bmoll8: yes |
| 22:10.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | !amd64 |
| 22:10.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 22:10.53 | jelly-home | <vn0> this host is hammering me # why not just block them via iptables? |
| 22:10.58 | meyou | intel 64 uses amd64 kernels/releases |
| 22:10.59 | enouf | wtfbbq =~ s#http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/grill1.mpeg#http://www.mpcfaculty.net/ron_rinehart/grilfire.jpg# |
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| 22:11.03 | eptalon | bmoll8: I used the regular i386 netinst iso; many apps don't have 64 bit binaries. |
| 22:11.08 | enouf | ugh ffs |
| 22:11.13 | enouf | fuck it |
| 22:11.20 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | read what the bot wrote |
| 22:11.21 | bmoll8 | eptalon: then what is the point of having a dual core processor |
| 22:11.27 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | core2duo are supported |
| 22:11.29 | dustybin | enouf: i think i found out the solution, monit purges the PATH variable and uses its own, /usr/local/bin was missing, thats why the daemon didnt start! it works ok with mysql :D |
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| 22:11.36 | meyou | bmoll8: dual cores are supported with i386 |
| 22:11.40 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | yes |
| 22:11.43 | meyou | 64-bit binaries aren't |
| 22:11.52 | ice799 | Sigh. |
| 22:11.59 | jelly-home | vn0: is your machine a dns server for an outside domain? is there a reason for you to allow queries from the internet? |
| 22:12.06 | abrotman | bmoll8: it uses a -686 kernel |
| 22:12.08 | eptalon | bmoll8: you get two physical cpus; you just run them in 32 bit mode, not in 64 bit mode. |
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| 22:12.12 | enouf | phorce1: you have a diesel truck as your UPS? ;-) |
| 22:12.17 | bmoll8 | thank you very much |
| 22:12.23 | bmoll8 | I was a bit confused |
| 22:12.25 | enouf | aye - inverter, there it is |
| 22:12.32 | eptalon | bmoll8: I mean it all depends if you need things like adobe flash player... |
| 22:12.49 | abrotman | bmoll8: you can use i386 or amd64 |
| 22:12.58 | abrotman | eptalon: there's a 64bit flash now |
| 22:13.16 | meyou | abrotman: whoa really? wonder if it's in the ubuntu packages yet |
| 22:13.23 | enouf | eptalon: which drives if i may ask? and 50$ is the cost difference between 24/7 spec'd drives and non-24/7 ones? |
| 22:13.39 | dustybin | enouf: the init.d shows this: PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin /usr/local/bin is missing!!!!!!!!! my first ever bug solved :D |
| 22:13.43 | enouf | b/c no UPS for 50$ is worth even pissing on |
| 22:13.47 | eptalon | enouf: Maxtor 7V300F0 |
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| 22:14.03 | abrotman | meyou: ask them, why the heck would you ask here? |
| 22:14.10 | phorce1 | enouf: No, custom built UPS bought years ago by previous business owner (the 48V one). It came with 4 17Ah batteries installed for about 40 minutes at full load. I replaced the 17Ah batteries with 4 92Ah batteries. |
| 22:14.13 | enouf | dustybin: ahh ... that's it? attaboy! |
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| 22:14.27 | jelly-home | eptalon: the cost for Seagate ES or ES.2 SATA drives is about 2 _times_ the consumer versions |
| 22:14.28 | supersoundguy | how can i get the raid45 kernel module for dmraid? or where can i get the source? |
| 22:14.38 | enouf | phorce1: nice ;-) |
| 22:14.55 | ice799 | supersoundguy: you just have to build that kernel module |
| 22:15.00 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | enouf how about a diesel power generator instead lmao xD |
| 22:15.06 | enouf | supersoundguy: it's in the kernel - depending on veriosn, IIRC |
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| 22:15.13 | eptalon | jelly-home: meaning what: 250 |
| 22:15.20 | eptalon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.23 | enouf | isn't it now raid456 module? |
| 22:15.24 | jelly-home | eptalon: yes. |
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| 22:15.43 | lavamind | enouf, i know how to increase the number of loop devices with grub, but lilo ? |
| 22:15.45 | supersoundguy | enouf: it's not in the stock amd64 kernel...and yeah there's a 456 module, but for some reason dmraid doesn't target to that one |
| 22:15.46 | jelly-home | eptalon: only s/USD/EUR/ for me |
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| 22:16.08 | supersoundguy | stock amd64 kernel for lenny that is |
| 22:16.09 | enouf | lavamind: pass it on the kernel/image line, just like grub, no? |
| 22:16.13 | eptalon | jelly-home: This system I am using is about 3 years old. |
| 22:16.28 | jelly-home | eptalon: these were 750GB drives, bought a year ago |
| 22:16.47 | enouf | supersoundguy: ahh . i recall that issue |
| 22:17.08 | lavamind | enouf, right |
| 22:17.11 | enouf | i forget the fix though .. hrm .. might have to build your own |
| 22:17.34 | enouf | cause it wants the older one |
| 22:17.42 | enouf | or tell dmraid to use that one |
| 22:17.55 | jelly-home | eptalon: a mere 50% increase would make me consider them for home use too; I'll have to settle for raid1 from two different consumer manufacturers instead |
| 22:18.38 | enouf | !congratulations dustybin |
| 22:18.44 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 22:19.14 | eptalon | jelly-home: I am doing software raid, mainly used for my cd collection, atm. |
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| 22:19.55 | eptalon | jelly-home: but one of the benefits of RAID is that you can use cheap (unreliable) drives. |
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| 22:21.24 | enouf | i haven't seen anyone correctly assess when their HDD will die, but i have seen much whining about cheap drives underperforming - mostly IDE drives, whether PATA or SATA |
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| 22:21.47 | lunk | hello |
| 22:22.02 | lunk | if you use raid1, and have two reads, will it distribute the reads across disks? |
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| 22:22.22 | jelly-home | lunk: linux md raid1 will. |
| 22:22.33 | lunk | that's what i'm using |
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| 22:22.42 | jelly-home | lunk: if you have a single long request, it won't, though |
| 22:22.44 | lunk | is that not a standard feature of raid? |
| 22:23.09 | lunk | that makes sense, kinda like load balancing network connections |
| 22:23.34 | lunk | thought so, just wasn't positive, iostat's numbers were really close |
| 22:23.37 | lunk | thank you jelly-home |
| 22:24.00 | jelly-home | lunk: it could use raid1 as a stripe with a single request as well, but it doesn't (yet) |
| 22:24.10 | phorce1 | enouf: the 10-battery units are Dell PowerWare 5125 3KvA units. They have 5Ah batteries installed. I figure if I can ever spend the $2500 on 92Ah batteries I can get 10+ hours at full load |
| 22:24.39 | jelly-home | lunk: so a single thread read won't be faster than from a single disk |
| 22:24.58 | craigevil | fremen1986 |
| 22:25.10 | lunk | jelly-home: yep, got it, learn something new everyday |
| 22:25.40 | lunk | also, i guess i should have done this first...the googles say http://linux.die.net/man/4/md |
| 22:26.19 | kyle__ | after upgrading my firewall/router box from etch to lenny, NAT/masq with shorewall doesn't seem to work anymore. I've got ip forwarding on. Anybody have any hints? |
| 22:28.08 | jelly-home | lunk: that "bitmap based write-intent log" allows for creating split mirrors, which can be nice for backups |
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| 22:29.19 | jelly-home | now to find a nice 2 drive external case. |
| 22:29.24 | Brack101 | what is the best tool for querying memory speed to determine which type I need to buy? |
| 22:29.45 | enouf | phorce1: remind me to look you up when i need to seriously consider a UPS :-) .. |
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| 22:33.47 | octoserver | enouf: i just realized that sda, sdb, sdc, sdd in /grub/device.map are not necessarily going to be the same sda-d that you see with fdisk -l after you load the kernel right ? |
| 22:34.38 | newsense | octoserver, correct |
| 22:35.16 | enouf | huh? |
| 22:35.31 | magyar_ | hi, need to convert unix test to dos text |
| 22:35.38 | magyar_ | text |
| 22:35.47 | octoserver | lol, i pissed enouf off for no reason ealier because i had a problem with a message to login as root or press Ctrl-D to skip |
| 22:36.18 | octoserver | it was becasue i think i was loading up single user every time maybe ? |
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| 22:36.47 | enouf | mine are corresponding .. all depends how you set it up, and if you moved drive positions around, got new kernels, messed with BIOS boot order .. too many factors, use UUIDs or LABELs from ls -l /dev/disk/by-* |
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| 22:36.51 | octoserver | my menu entry in menu.lst was wrong for my first boot choice |
| 22:37.39 | octoserver | enouf: good point |
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| 22:38.39 | dazjorz | can I have debian-rules install into a specific folder too, instead of creating a .deb? |
| 22:38.44 | dazjorz | just curious :) |
| 22:38.49 | dazjorz | as in, install it over / |
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| 22:39.01 | dazjorz | (/ being the specific folder I was thinking about ;) ) |
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| 22:39.10 | enouf | octoserver: did you perform all said fscks? |
| 22:39.55 | yacyac | enouf, i have still not able to increase my resolution |
| 22:39.55 | yacyac | lol |
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| 22:40.02 | octoserver | well, the weird thing uis that when i tell grub to make a new device.map file, it makes (hd3) /dev/sdc, and (hd4) /dev/sdd, but i have to have root(hd0,1) or (hd1,1) to boot |
| 22:40.13 | enouf | just call the folder debian/ dazjorz - that''s where that file is anyway :-P |
| 22:40.21 | enouf | yacyac: ouch |
| 22:40.26 | dazjorz | eh, debian/rules, that's what I meant |
| 22:40.33 | enouf | right :-) |
| 22:40.34 | dazjorz | well... can I? ;) |
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| 22:41.05 | yacyac | man i tried to rewrite xorg.conf with all different things |
| 22:41.09 | yacyac | still wont change |
| 22:41.23 | dazjorz | also, it seems debian/rules install put Dpkg.pm at usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10/Dpkg.pm and dh_install expected it at usr/share/perl5/Dpkg.pm - why would that be? |
| 22:41.40 | enouf | octoserver: how are you telling grub to make a new device.map? |
| 22:41.49 | octoserver | enouf: everything seems fine, i think i was booting into single user every time becauae I changed my root(hd0,1) to (hd2,1) in menu.lst since i was booting from the other two drives now, but at boot time that isnt the case, it only works with (hd0,1) or (hd1,1) |
| 22:41.59 | enouf | octoserver: and .. check you BIOS for disk boot order |
| 22:42.12 | octoserver | grub --device-map /bbot/grub/device.map |
| 22:42.25 | enouf | octoserver: try --recheck instead |
| 22:42.30 | octoserver | my bios has the two drives that i want to boot as the first two |
| 22:42.36 | flower | what should I have installed on gnome to see a menu item for printer setting like Ubuntu has? |
| 22:42.41 | enouf | octoserver: er. .. that's a grub install option though |
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| 22:42.55 | octoserver | enouf: i deleted the device.map before i told it to check it too, but ill try recheck right now |
| 22:43.14 | dazjorz | got it, PERL_LIBDIR is wrong in the Makefile |
| 22:43.34 | enouf | octoserver: reinstall grub to MBR, not a partition and use --recheck option |
| 22:44.26 | enouf | octoserver: ensure your menu.lst has correct values for #groot= and #kopt= |
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| 22:46.31 | dancor | is it expected that 3d accel on fglrx on dual-head will only work on first screen? and games on second screen are just blank |
| 22:47.01 | octoserver | enouf: menu.lst isnt using groot and kopt |
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| 22:47.15 | octoserver | wiat |
| 22:47.16 | octoserver | is it ? |
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| 22:47.25 | octoserver | # isnt a rem out ? |
| 22:47.38 | stew | octoserver: not in this case |
| 22:47.38 | jelly-home | octoserver: no |
| 22:47.42 | octoserver | oh |
| 22:47.51 | stew | octoserver: its ignored but grub itself, but processed by update-grub |
| 22:47.57 | jelly-home | octoserver: blame the grub package maintainers for making "special" comments |
| 22:48.15 | octoserver | groot=(hd0,0) |
| 22:48.27 | jelly-home | octoserver: do NOT uncomment it |
| 22:48.43 | octoserver | root (hd0,1) is what boots for me |
| 22:48.46 | octoserver | i didnt |
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| 22:49.11 | jelly-home | gut. |
| 22:49.30 | octoserver | i geuss im not sure if groot=(hd0,0) is correct or not lol |
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| 22:49.36 | Ace2016_- | anyone know why man will not let me scroll up? i can only press enter to go down |
| 22:49.49 | valdyn | Ace2016_-: try b |
| 22:50.09 | JordiGH | Ace2016_-: You're using more instead of less? |
| 22:50.11 | thasp | is there a way i can "jumpstart" the interfaces in /etc/network interfaces ? ifconfig shows ath0, my wireless NIC grabbing an IP, but my access point doesn't show it, and it can't access the network. |
| 22:50.14 | Ace2016_- | valdyn: doesn't do anything |
| 22:50.16 | stew | Ace2016_-: 'update-alternatives --config pager' and pick a better pager, such as less |
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| 22:51.37 | Ace2016_- | i only have more and pg, guess i need to install more |
| 22:51.51 | stew | you need to install less :) |
| 22:52.13 | jelly-home | so... uninstall something? |
| 22:52.16 | amphi | or most ;) |
| 22:53.16 | Ace2016_- | lol |
| 22:53.19 | supersoundguy | i've been googling for a while and I can't seem to find the correct patch for the kernel for raid45 anyone know where i can find it? |
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| 22:55.28 | unixSnob | i find that I have to run 'lsof | grep /dev/dsp' and kill the process listed, if I want to hear sound from virtualbox and other apps. Why is that? |
| 22:55.32 | valdyn | supersoundguy: why look on google when its already in stock kernels? |
| 22:55.44 | Ace2016_- | supersoundguy: is this it? http://people.redhat.com/heinzm/sw/dm/ |
| 22:56.14 | unixSnob | and what process do I need to run to get the sound going again for the apps that work before I kill the /dev/dsp process? |
| 22:57.04 | Ace2016_- | unixSnob: firstly what process is it thats using /dev/dsp? |
| 22:58.08 | Ace2016_- | kde can be told to use alsa, so can many apps, flash uses alsa, is it an SDL app? |
| 22:58.40 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 22:58.59 | dazjorz | there's either a bug somewhere in debian/* for dpkg, or this Perl installation is bugged |
| 22:59.03 | unixSnob | Ace2016_-: looks like "esd".. maybe i just need to run that again |
| 22:59.23 | dazjorz | there's a piece of code to determine the LIBDIR, and on this Debian/Linux system it says $(prefix)/share/perl5/ |
| 22:59.36 | dazjorz | which seems to be the "expected" result |
| 22:59.50 | dazjorz | but on this perl 5.10, I get $(prefix)/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10 |
| 22:59.57 | unixSnob | Ace2016_-: i run gnome.. but I think alsa is a choice in addition to OSS (according to my mixer settings) |
| 23:00.03 | dazjorz | is that because this perl does not come from Debian, or because it's Perl 5.10 or so? |
| 23:00.23 | unixSnob | Ace2016_-: are you saying ALSA will let multiple sources share the same sound card? |
| 23:00.56 | solid_liq | anyone know what package contains rpc.mountd and rpc.nfsd ? |
| 23:01.39 | x1250 | solid_liq, use apt-file search yourfile, to search for them. Install apt-file if you haven't |
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| 23:02.05 | solid_liq | x1250: thanks :D |
| 23:02.31 | x1250 | solid_liq, don't forget to apt-file update first :P |
| 23:02.37 | solid_liq | x1250: doing it now :D |
| 23:02.39 | stoned | apt-file is crazy |
| 23:02.44 | solid_liq | lol |
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| 23:03.18 | enouf | stew: pretty sure #groot= is processed by grub and used to boot, there's an easy way to test, if one can afford to reboot - i recall that #groot= causing me issues way back when i told my BIOS that the 1st boot HDD(A) was actually the other HDD(B) (i swapped the order) .. but i don't recall running any update-grub then, or installing a new linux-image- that might invoke updtae-grub |
| 23:04.07 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 23:04.11 | dazjorz | the Perl package doesn't have debian/rules? :/ |
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| 23:04.25 | stew | enouf: #groot= is used by update-grub to know what to put in the "root" entries for the individual kernels |
| 23:04.34 | MikeH | Can anyone tell me where I can find pngtopnm? apt-cache search doesn't seem to help. |
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| 23:04.43 | stew | dazjorz: all source packages must have a debian/rules |
| 23:04.54 | stew | MikeH: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:04.57 | enouf | stew: are you quoting that from somewhere? |
| 23:05.00 | stew | enouf: no |
| 23:05.24 | enouf | stew: no it's not, it's used to tell grub where to find it's root |
| 23:05.32 | newsense | haha was just reading an old article where linus was interviewed and he said he would never run debian or any "technical" distro |
| 23:05.35 | MikeH | no luck stew :( |
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| 23:06.08 | enouf | stew: oh, you meant in the Stanza .. the root () part -- ok |
| 23:06.15 | stew | MikeH: what did you try? |
| 23:06.33 | enouf | er Stanzas* |
| 23:06.39 | dazjorz | stew: /me double-checks |
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| 23:06.57 | MikeH | stew: apt-file search pngtopnm |
| 23:07.52 | dazjorz | stew: http://packages.debian.org/nl/sid/perl |
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| 23:08.03 | stew | MikeH: have you run "apt-file update" recently |
| 23:08.11 | dazjorz | stew: I got the source package, to the right, perl_5.10.0.orig.tar.gz and it doesn't contain a debian directory |
| 23:08.16 | enouf | right, so - as i said stew grub uses that on each boot - if you alter #groot= and not an existing Kernel stanzas root () line, you might not have a problem - however, if you shuffle disks, you'll want to edit both the #groot= and the Stanza entries |
| 23:08.21 | stew | dazjorz: wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl_5.10.0-19.diff.gz -O- | zcat | diffstat | fgrep debian/rules |
| 23:08.30 | stew | debian/rules | 380 ++ |
| 23:08.33 | MikeH | stew: no, and thankyou :) |
| 23:08.52 | dazjorz | stew: diffstat? |
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| 23:09.13 | stew | dazjorz: yes, .orig.tar.gz is the original tarball from perl itself. the .diff.gz is the diff added by debian. you'd expect to find the debian/rules coming from debian, not from perl |
| 23:09.13 | enouf | s/grub uses that on each boot// .. i meant, only in the sense it affects the root () lines -- sorry about the confusion |
| 23:09.31 | dazjorz | stew: most of the orig's I've seen have a debian directory iirc |
| 23:09.35 | dazjorz | stew: anyway, what's diffstat? |
| 23:09.42 | dazjorz | I don't seem to have it here |
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| 23:09.51 | dazjorz | oh, it's in the reps, nvm. |
| 23:09.54 | stew | dazjorz: diffstat is a utility that will give you an overview of a diff, like list the files patched, and how many lines are affected |
| 23:10.00 | phorce1 | enouf: I poke around for used units that need batteries. Then I shop for used Telco backup batteries to attach to them. They ain't pretty but they work wonders for a fraction of the cost of new. And the batteries have 10+ year operating lives. |
| 23:10.13 | dazjorz | stew: but diff by itself is OK too, right? |
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| 23:10.28 | dazjorz | stew: err, patch |
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| 23:10.49 | enouf | if one were to alter their kernel line to be correct, after shuffling disks, they might not even notice their corrected root() stanza entry was reverted to old (incorrect) #groot= entry .. wondering wtf is going on, not realizing they ran update-grub caused it |
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| 23:11.01 | jelly-home | phorce1: you lead an interesting life |
| 23:11.04 | stew | dazjorz: if you want to actually apply the patch, i'd recommend just using "dpkg-source -x perl*dsc" which will untar the .orig.tar.gz then apply the .diff.gz |
| 23:11.18 | enouf | s/kernel line/kernel stanza that contains corrected root () entry/ |
| 23:11.19 | dazjorz | stew: thanks :) |
| 23:11.22 | stew | dazjorz: but yes, you'd use patch. diffstat is just a way to say "give me an overview of what this patch touches" |
| 23:11.59 | enouf | phorce1: sounds like jackpot to me ;-) |
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| 23:13.35 | dancor | my lenovo T400 instantly reboots and comes back every time after it hibernates. so i have to hibernate and then power-off on the reboot which is annoying to time properly |
| 23:14.01 | dancor | i tried with unplugged a/c and ethernet in case they were causing wake-up events |
| 23:14.18 | jelly-home | dancor: does it power-off at all? |
| 23:14.35 | dancor | jelly-home: it seems to do a reboot instead of a power-off |
| 23:14.50 | dancor | like the numlock etc lights flash |
| 23:15.06 | dancor | right after the hibernate info screen goes off |
| 23:15.47 | dancor | there is no appreciable time for which it is powered-off i would say |
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| 23:17.48 | enouf | dancor: try removing any cpufreq things also prior to hibernating |
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| 23:18.34 | jelly-home | dancor: thinkwiki.org might have information about the particular model workarounds |
| 23:18.47 | enouf | dancor: also which kernel version and release? lenny? 2.6.26? try a .25 from older repos |
| 23:19.09 | enouf | dancor: also see #ibmthinkpad ? |
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| 23:19.58 | jelly-home | enouf: which machines have cpufreq interfering with poweroff? |
| 23:20.34 | blast_hardcheese | How does one install normal VLC instead of vlc_nox? |
| 23:20.35 | enouf | jelly-home: believe it or not, thought i was reading that on the powerpc list .. but it seems it's just causing a backlight to stay on |
| 23:20.54 | enouf | http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2009/01/msg00040.html |
| 23:20.59 | blast_hardcheese | vlc_nox doesn't play anything, but nothing else is available in apt |
| 23:21.06 | jelly-home | a thinkpad is hardly ppc, though |
| 23:21.11 | enouf | indeed |
| 23:21.15 | dmoerner | blast_hardcheese: vlc is in debian |
| 23:21.18 | dmoerner | judd: versions vlc |
| 23:21.19 | judd | dmoerner: vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 sid: 0.8.6.h-5 experimental: 0.9.8a-1 |
| 23:21.23 | enouf | didn't recall where i read it .. K!? |
| 23:21.49 | blast_hardcheese | dmoerner: Yes.... and when I install it it says it's a virtual package and installs vlc_nox, which blows |
| 23:22.00 | jelly-home | enouf: oh, that's about suspend to ram, not hibernate |
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| 23:22.43 | blast_hardcheese | oh, is someone trying to get hibernate working on Debian-PPC? |
| 23:22.56 | jelly-home | no |
| 23:23.13 | blast_hardcheese | damn. I was hoping, since I am actually trying to do that very thing. |
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| 23:28.26 | enouf | jelly-home: are we even sure the original bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=510108 about suspend means s2ram? .. im not sure, it's filed against the linux-image-2.6.26-powerpc pkgs, .. but anyways, it's too far off (a) concerns backlight and (b) wrong arch) |
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| 23:30.17 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: what's wrong on your powerpc exactly? |
| 23:30.40 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: backlight stays on when s2ram? or hibernate? or something else? |
| 23:30.49 | octoserver | enouf: i just realized that you can do a shutdown -r -F now and reboot into a force fsck , is tha tha same as putting forcefsck inthe / dir ? |
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| 23:31.40 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: see that report - and my earlier powerpc list mail - use an older kernel for now (if on Lenny), or (use) or compile a newer on |
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| 23:32.15 | enouf | octoserver: basically, yes - it's the other option i was going to give you |
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| 23:32.32 | octoserver | cool, thsnk for your help |
| 23:32.35 | enouf | if needed |
| 23:32.53 | enouf | octo er : how's it going? |
| 23:33.13 | jelly-home | enouf: I don't care about random bugs. This just didn't seem relevant to users' issue. |
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| 23:34.22 | enouf | that's what i said! |
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| 23:35.52 | enouf | wtf is this redspike thing sending me pms? |
| 23:36.21 | enouf | oh .. wrong friggin network |
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| 23:38.01 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: Sorry, I'm back; |
| 23:38.19 | blast_hardcheese | I've got a 867mhz PowerBook G4, hibernate-disk does nothing |
| 23:39.13 | blast_hardcheese | scratch that, I just tried it again and it crashed X |
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| 23:41.38 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: i don't know what "hibernate-disk" is exactly; though i have heard of the 'hibernate' pkg .. that's basically suspending to disk then |
| 23:42.01 | enouf | and .. have you read what i posted? |
| 23:42.26 | dancor | ok. i retested and there is like <1sec where the comp is conceivably "powered-off" before it comes right back, even with lid closed. i am testing with '/usr/sbin/hibernate' which is to disk tho ya there is hibernate-disk too.. |
| 23:42.42 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: hibernate-disk is part of the hibernate package |
| 23:42.48 | dancor | i'm on lenny, 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 23:42.55 | jelly-home | dancor: that sounds like normal reboot sequence on my Z60m |
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| 23:43.32 | dancor | grep for cpu in (ps -ef) and lsmod gives nothing |
| 23:43.37 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: No, I haven't, not sure what I'm looking for |
| 23:43.43 | blast_hardcheese | I'm on Sid |
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| 23:43.53 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: uname -a |
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| 23:44.38 | dancor | how hard is it to test a .25 kernel, no hits in (apt-cache search) |
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| 23:44.49 | enouf | dancor: have you tried just echo disk > /sys/power/../../state ? or whatever that file is? |
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| 23:45.23 | dancor | echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 23:45.32 | enouf | dancor: nm that for now .. i was originally thinking of something else - but /msg dpkg sdn and /msg dpkg ado |
| 23:47.19 | blast_hardcheese | Linux games29 2.6.26-1-powerpc #1 Sat Nov 8 13:45:10 CET 2008 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 23:47.23 | blast_hardcheese | enouf: ^^^^ |
| 23:47.26 | octoserver | enouf: non-contiguous is referring to fragmentation right? is there any way to make it better ? :) |
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| 23:47.49 | enouf | octoserver: it's fine if it's 5% or so |
| 23:47.58 | dancor | echo disk.. has same behavior |
| 23:48.05 | enouf | blast_hardcheese: you should try another kernel - see what i told dancor |
| 23:48.19 | octoserver | enouf: my boot is 25%, but i dont care since it is small and not used for long |
| 23:48.21 | enouf | dancor: ok |
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| 23:48.30 | octoserver | enouf: i think my home is 7% though |
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| 23:49.41 | dancor | enouf: to what extent should i expect dropping a .25 kernel into lenny's midst to cause it to freak out, or are you suggesting trying a whole earlier install |
| 23:50.01 | enouf | cp/rsync the whole boot somewhere else in one large swath, (rm the original data ONCE you're SURE your copies are safe/correct/work) cp/rynsc it back |
| 23:50.06 | enouf | octoserver: |
| 23:50.34 | enouf | dancor: Lenny once had .25 |
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| 23:50.48 | enouf | dancor: no, just the kernel |
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| 23:54.13 | runa_ | how can i give a user permissions to mount usb without puting mount in his sudo |
| 23:54.35 | amphi | runa_: he could use pmount |
| 23:54.45 | themill | runa_: pmount or use an automounter and put them in the plugdev group. /msg dpkg automount |
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| 23:55.54 | octoserver | enouf: that is pretty sneaky lol |
| 23:56.22 | enouf | you want contiguous blocks? i give you contiguous blocks :-P |
| 23:57.27 | ghostdog | How do I get user crontab to work? I've entered a command to run every minute, but it isn't running |
| 23:57.56 | enouf | use full path to the binary |
| 23:58.15 | ghostdog | I am |
| 23:58.17 | enouf | or better, refer to a script, and point cron to it |
| 23:58.29 | ghostdog | I don't have an /etc/cron.allow or /etc/cron.deny either |
| 23:58.38 | enouf | then you need some ENV= headers |
| 23:58.42 | ghostdog | enouf: it is actually pointing to a script |
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| 23:59.14 | enouf | entered a command != pointing to a script |
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