| 00:01.23 | dancor | what is the pattern format on http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi |
| 00:01.24 | ghostdog | enouf: This is what is setup: http://pastie.org/362964 |
| 00:01.44 | dancor | i was hoping like linux-image-2\.6\.25.*-amd64 would work |
| 00:02.09 | dancor | or glob linux-image-2.6.25*-amd64 |
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| 00:02.51 | patter | ok ... now why doesn't 'clear private data' in firefox clear the urlbar ? |
| 00:03.07 | dancor | patter: does it do it if you restart now |
| 00:03.18 | patter | nah, its had a few restarts |
| 00:03.25 | leOn | patter: you're stuck with all those porn addys |
| 00:03.26 | leOn | heh |
| 00:03.29 | dancor | did you check like url history in the checkboxes |
| 00:03.30 | enouf | dancor: i too couldn't figure it out ... just browse to the /pool or something and find the file ;-) |
| 00:03.38 | patter | normal history's clear but yeah, firefox reminds me of past life :P |
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| 00:05.28 | dancor | i can't find anything of the form linux-image.. under l/ did the naming convention change? |
| 00:05.34 | enouf | ghostdog: looks like you have an email or MTA issue |
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| 00:05.50 | enouf | could set -x in the script |
| 00:07.37 | ghostdog | Hmm |
| 00:08.05 | ghostdog | It should be working, and I'm pretty sure I've tried it without the MAILTO= |
| 00:08.15 | ghostdog | I'll remove it and see if that helps |
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| 00:12.02 | \amethyst | dancor: where, in the mirror directories? |
| 00:12.38 | dancor | \amethyst: in http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/l/ |
| 00:12.54 | \amethyst | dancor: packages are sorted in the pool according to the source package |
| 00:13.04 | \amethyst | dancor: so pool/l/linux-2.6/ |
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| 00:13.38 | ghostdog | Nope, still not working |
| 00:13.52 | derjens | hello everyone |
| 00:14.10 | derjens | who have heard about cold boot attacks on 25c3? |
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| 00:14.28 | derjens | how to make current debian zero all RAM during shutdown? |
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| 00:16.18 | L00thar | Hi. I've munged up my system a bit, and need some pointers. |
| 00:17.18 | L00thar | Something got the file links mixed up in an install, and I made it worse with e2fsck. |
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| 00:17.51 | L00thar | Now some important paths aren't being found by ldconfig. |
| 00:18.47 | L00thar | So the most important help I need is getting these paths back the way they were. |
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| 00:19.33 | dancor | you might need to find the packages with the missing libraries and reinstall them? |
| 00:19.58 | dancor | like 'apt-file search' on the missing files |
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| 00:21.51 | dancor | considers seeing if hibernate works if i switch to single-core in bios |
| 00:22.59 | L000thar | Like I was saying: I need someone to tell me what the symlinks are with /usr/X11R6, etc. |
| 00:23.13 | enouf | dancor: what's cat /proc/cmdline output? |
| 00:23.33 | dancor | enouf: root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet |
| 00:23.41 | enouf | ok, no prob there |
| 00:23.57 | enouf | you can remove the quiet to see bootup messages ;-) |
| 00:24.29 | dancor | scrolling messages make me a linux guru overnight ;) |
| 00:24.48 | enouf | dancor: what is all that about " you might need to find the packages with the missing libraries and reinstall them?" |
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| 00:25.13 | enouf | dancor: just grab the friggin correct linux-image-version pkg and dpkg -i the .deb |
| 00:25.17 | dancor | just seems like restoring the links manually is more trouble than reinstalling some packages |
| 00:25.40 | enouf | dancor: oh, you were responding to another - my bad |
| 00:25.45 | L000thar_ | dancor: I was doing that. But something kept screwing it up more. |
| 00:26.14 | L000thar_ | Never had this kind of trouble before. |
| 00:26.49 | L000thar_ | Can someone take the trouble to paste a few paths in here? |
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| 00:28.01 | L000thar_ | My point is that now ldconfig is screwed up. |
| 00:28.25 | L000thar_ | I need to fix this a step at a time. |
| 00:28.42 | L000thar_ | Until I can get back to forcing in packages. |
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| 00:30.38 | L000thar_ | So for starters: what's that danged path with /usr/X11R6 that refers back to itself? |
| 00:30.42 | leOn | L000thar_: http://rafb.net/p/DFk1Sz82.html |
| 00:30.48 | L000thar_ | ? |
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| 00:31.28 | leOn | in that case, in a machine using ati's fglrx driver |
| 00:31.36 | runa_ | i have a proccess going on in a xterminal and i want to close X |
| 00:31.55 | dancor | runa_: you can't stop X without stopping the xterm in it |
| 00:31.55 | L000thar_ | leOn: hope that's it. |
| 00:31.56 | runa_ | is there a way to make it live |
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| 00:32.20 | runa_ | so i cant transport it to another shell |
| 00:32.27 | dancor | runa_: if you had been using gnu screen you'd be fine but alas |
| 00:32.32 | leOn | runa_: if you had started it using screen yes |
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| 00:32.57 | runa_ | so without screen its impossible ....? |
| 00:33.04 | enouf | dancor: i see no .deb there - you likely need to add a deb line in sources.list and use apt-get -d to fetch it - that'll d/l it - then you can install it on your own |
| 00:33.26 | bwlang | i used to use RIP linux to recover systems, but it's not really debian based. is there some other usb distro that is? |
| 00:33.27 | leOn | however i do know there is a small utility that allows you to do what you want, with a few limitations, but i can't seem to recall it's name right now |
| 00:33.43 | dancor | runa_: you would have to give the subprocess it's own control group or some such, i'm not sure |
| 00:34.06 | L000thar_ | leOn: OK, I have that one: ../bin. But in that /usr/bin, /usr/bin/~X11 points -- where? |
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| 00:34.31 | leOn | L000thar_: my advice is reinstall |
| 00:34.39 | enouf | dancor: yes - see main front page |
| 00:34.41 | enouf | apt-get specific package(s) deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool package ... |
| 00:34.53 | thasp | I'm trying to run two instances of vsftpd on my machine. I have it in standalone with separate config files since there are two NICs connecting to two different gateways. |
| 00:35.13 | thasp | I tried removing every firewall in front of the router on the second gateway, to no avail, passive mode does not work on that vsftpd instance |
| 00:35.20 | L000thar_ | leOn: Don't really have that option. |
| 00:35.49 | thasp | if I get passive mode working on the vsftpd instance on the second NIC, it won't work on the first. It's like trying to push a ping pong ball down in a bucket of water. Is there anything I can try? |
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| 00:36.25 | leOn | runa_: basically what that utility does is allow you to move the process across pty's, so you just issue a screen in another terminal and transport the process over. then you can detach screen |
| 00:36.36 | leOn | that's how i used it if i recall correctly |
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| 00:37.00 | dancor | enouf: i'm trying to get http://cvs.net-labs.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/apps/debsnap/ to work |
| 00:37.06 | enouf | screen? |
| 00:37.08 | leOn | L000thar_: then find yourself a running system and look for yourself |
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| 00:37.38 | dancor | leOn: it's simpler than that, the screen process just always stays running |
| 00:37.58 | leOn | dancor: you might want to read the whole story |
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| 00:38.10 | leOn | there is an already running process without screen |
| 00:38.22 | L000thar_ | leOn: maybe there's a canonical filesystem list online. |
| 00:38.36 | leOn | L000thar_: good luck |
| 00:40.07 | L000thar_ | leOn: gee. thanx. But then, the damned Ubuntu I have on another partition does have some of this info. |
| 00:40.39 | L000thar_ | So /usr/bin/X11 apparently points to . |
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| 00:42.50 | brian17 | hello |
| 00:42.56 | brian17 | during debian install |
| 00:43.03 | brian17 | do i need to select debian standard base? |
| 00:43.07 | brian17 | or whatever |
| 00:43.14 | brian17 | also how do i deselect things in the installed? |
| 00:43.18 | brian17 | installer |
| 00:43.21 | brian17 | shift? |
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| 00:43.36 | leOn | L000thar_: it's really annoying when you find people that can do things for themselves but somehow think that others have the obligation to help them fix things they broke. |
| 00:43.40 | enouf | yep, guess you'll have to build the deb using make-kpkg ;-) |
| 00:43.56 | brian17 | do i need to select standard system in the debian installer? |
| 00:44.01 | brian17 | what does standard system have/ |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | brian17: you don't have to .. |
| 00:44.46 | brian17 | what does it include? |
| 00:44.51 | abrotman | brian17: though you'll likely want most of those packages |
| 00:44.51 | brian17 | there is no documentaion |
| 00:45.07 | brian17 | i want xorg, firefox and fluxbox |
| 00:45.09 | brian17 | does it help me |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | you'll likely need most of those anyways |
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| 00:45.39 | brian17 | um |
| 00:45.43 | leOn | you can always install just the base system and then apt-get install what you need |
| 00:45.52 | brian17 | is the nv driver included in base system? |
| 00:46.03 | brian17 | how do i deselect things? |
| 00:46.07 | brian17 | do i hit shift? |
| 00:46.10 | leOn | don't think so |
| 00:46.17 | leOn | (about the nv driver) |
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| 00:47.27 | brian17 | how do i deselect things in the text installer |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | spacebar |
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| 00:48.24 | enouf | leOn: you might want to use nohup, disown and such http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement |
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| 00:48.48 | abrotman | !tell brian17 about ig |
| 00:48.52 | dancor | that python debsnap was wack and depended on peak.api which doesn't build for me. however, debsnap appears to exist in bash form http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg602725/add_debsnap.patch.gz |
| 00:49.37 | enouf | leOn: dtach.sf.net is also interesting |
| 00:49.39 | leOn | yeah .. i was about to mention disown, but if he wants to regain control later i don't believe it's possible |
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| 00:50.10 | leOn | dtach .. i think that was it |
| 00:50.14 | leOn | let me check |
| 00:50.35 | enouf | but, that like screen would need to have been used to launch it, no? |
| 00:50.35 | brian17 | ok |
| 00:50.39 | brian17 | i just installed base system |
| 00:50.44 | brian17 | but when i do apt-get install |
| 00:50.46 | leOn | hmmm.. yeah .. not the one |
| 00:50.48 | leOn | ehe |
| 00:50.48 | brian17 | it checks for CDS |
| 00:50.55 | brian17 | how to i set it to not check for cds |
| 00:51.10 | enouf | leOn: i |
| 00:51.12 | supersoundguy | bug number 504165 suggests a patch for an issue with dmraid targeting raid45 instead of raid456, how would i apply that patch? it seems like the patch is for older kernels... |
| 00:51.31 | newsense | brian17, uncomment cd references in sources.list |
| 00:51.49 | newsense | brian17, vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:52.09 | newsense | x will delete the # next to cd references |
| 00:52.20 | enouf | leOn: i'm not aware of any way to do what you exactly suggest .. unless there's a sideways use for ttysnoop, or something like maybe cable and hub ? |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | newsense: i think you mean comment |
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| 00:53.08 | newsense | abrotman, ? |
| 00:53.30 | newsense | abrotman, wasnt sure if he knows what a comment is so i just said "3" |
| 00:53.37 | newsense | err "#" |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | <newsense> brian17, uncomment cd references in sources.list |
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| 00:53.57 | brian17 | um |
| 00:54.02 | brian17 | its asking for the mininstaller cd |
| 00:54.03 | brian17 | why |
| 00:54.07 | brian17 | it doesnt detect it either |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | brian17: edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front of the line for the CD |
| 00:54.32 | leOn | enouf: i hate when this happens .. i remember thinking "now this a really cool trick" .. and now it went into oblivion |
| 00:55.02 | newsense | abrotman, ahh doh i see where my mistake lies now sorry my multitasking isnt as good as it once was :) |
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| 00:55.24 | brian17 | it just says 0% working |
| 00:55.28 | brian17 | and nothing happens |
| 00:55.56 | newsense | brian17, did you aptitude update first ? |
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| 00:56.21 | leOn | enouf: it involved process inheritance if i'm not mistaken |
| 00:56.27 | brian17 | no |
| 00:56.31 | newsense | do that first |
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| 00:56.59 | enouf | leOn: i mean, i've seen discussions about why that's not not the case .. on all typical unix systems, but i can't explain it well, or with conciseness .. wait, well, ptys are different (than ttys) in the sense there's no login {a,m}getty running on it ... hrm .. |
| 00:57.05 | newsense | it will reread your sources.list and update apt's db |
| 00:57.37 | leOn | enouf: exactly |
| 00:57.46 | enouf | lipsin_: inheritance - well think of child/parent and to which tty/pty the parent is on |
| 00:58.07 | enouf | erm leOn . not lipsin_ |
| 00:58.31 | enouf | leOn: see if anyone in #bash has any bright ideas |
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| 01:01.55 | leOn | found it |
| 01:01.58 | leOn | eheh |
| 01:02.00 | leOn | http://pasky.or.cz/~pasky/dev/retty/ |
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| 01:02.24 | enouf | leOn: are you thinking of forcing a bad kill and having init own it, then trying to snatch it back through telinit maybe? |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | wait .. you've been looking for that ? |
| 01:02.28 | enouf | oh.. |
| 01:02.33 | leOn | you can even apt-get it |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | should have been watching leOn |
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| 01:03.01 | leOn | couldn't remember the freaking name |
| 01:03.03 | leOn | =) |
| 01:03.34 | leOn | hopefully the guy that needed it is still around |
| 01:03.43 | enouf | * Attaching less doesn't work, we have no idea why yet |
| 01:03.45 | enouf | heh |
| 01:03.59 | leOn | like i said, it has limitations |
| 01:04.20 | leOn | but i remember it saving my life once |
| 01:04.21 | leOn | =) |
| 01:04.28 | enouf | * The new terminal does not become the new controlling terminal for the application (this seems to be unfixable without messing with the kernel, unfortunately) - that has all sorts of negative consequences, most importantly: /dev/tty is not the right terminal, leading many applications (e.g. mutt) to misguess window size; pressing Ctrl-C does not deliver a signal to the application, so you can't break it this way (send SIGINT manually) |
| 01:05.44 | leOn | abrotman: you already knew that thingy? |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:05.57 | enouf | is very curious about how this works |
| 01:06.22 | enouf | i mean which mechanisms and so forth it uses to accomplish whatever it does |
| 01:07.11 | enouf | heh - figures - those crazy czechs - they also write awesome browsers, like links2 \o/ |
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| 01:07.49 | enouf | octoserver: sorted? |
| 01:08.30 | octoserver | enouf: i figured out why my menu.lst problem exists, grub that boots in the begining shows something different for geometry (hd0) than grub deos that i run from within Debian after i am booted |
| 01:08.51 | dancor | navigating snapshot.debian.net sure is a nightmare, but i have found http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/04/29/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.25-1-amd64_2.6.25-1_amd64.deb |
| 01:08.58 | dancor | win |
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| 01:09.08 | octoserver | at boot time geometry(hd0) and (hd1) are called (hd2) abd (hd3) after I am booted and run grug from in debian |
| 01:09.34 | octoserver | enouf: i think i garbled that, do you get what i mean though |
| 01:10.14 | leOn | time for a smoke |
| 01:10.16 | leOn | brb |
| 01:10.25 | octoserver | enouf: when i run geometry(hd0) fro grub at boot time, i get a different drive than i do when i run geometry(hd0) afterbooted and at the shell |
| 01:10.46 | octoserver | two different versions of grub maybe ? |
| 01:11.25 | octoserver | enouf: or maybe debian moves things around during boot time? |
| 01:11.31 | enouf | no |
| 01:11.55 | enouf | two separate (or more) grub installs and menu.lst(s) sure |
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| 01:12.40 | octoserver | enouf: its working so im not going to sweat i but now I know why I cant boot from (hd3) because after i boot, grub sees it as (hd0) |
| 01:12.45 | enouf | that'll really mess with your head - you think you're seeing menu/lst from hd0, and edit it, but it's loading the menu.lst from hd1 , or hd2 .. hahaha |
| 01:13.59 | octoserver | enouf: but even from the grub menu at boot time, if i edit it by hand, i cant boot from (hd3) because geometry(hd3) shows it as another drive that just has some other crap on it |
| 01:14.51 | enouf | octoserver: grub always see hd0 (0x80), if grub is not in the MBR it'll move onto hd1, hd2, until it finds one that does have it installed there, then that has code which tells it ONLY where to find stage1.5/2 which then those load menu.lst - IIRC |
| 01:16.00 | octoserver | enouf: however, right now after being booted, if i run grub , gemetry(hd3) it shows the drive i just booted from as (hd0) lol |
| 01:16.22 | octoserver | enouf: oh |
| 01:16.33 | enouf | octoserver: it should - is the actual physical drive hd3 setup in the BIOS as 1st HDD to Boot from? |
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| 01:16.49 | enouf | octoserver: wait |
| 01:16.51 | enouf | backup |
| 01:17.05 | octoserver | k |
| 01:17.08 | enouf | you;re saying "After you're booted" .. then that's different |
| 01:17.24 | enouf | don't run grub geometry ;-) |
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| 01:18.42 | octoserver | k well even if i want to install grub on the drive, only root (hd3,1) works since that is the drive with grub on it |
| 01:19.01 | octoserver | enouf: then i do setup (hd3) and it is installed on the MBR right? |
| 01:19.04 | enouf | octoserver: look all over for other /boot (dirs, heck even partitions) .. from other installs, other menu.lst , etc .. i think you might have messed up with some mdadm metadata, and mdadm UUIDs, which are NOT the ones you see for each partition/FStype as in ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 01:19.29 | enouf | hd3,1 is 4th HDD, 2nd partition |
| 01:19.35 | brianwillis1984 | hey everyone i have a old laptop pent II 400mhz with 192 mb ram. with no onboard ethernet what would be the best debian for my system |
| 01:20.23 | enouf | brianwillis1984: lenny is fine |
| 01:20.29 | octoserver | enough: i only have one /boot/grub, that is on /dev/md1 |
| 01:20.30 | enouf | erm .. wait - laptop? |
| 01:20.35 | alexb2283 | i'm trying to fix udev on my system here, it's attempting to read it's rules before the partition containing them is decrypted by dm-crypt (see http://imagebin.org/36030) - does anyone know how ? |
| 01:20.36 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
| 01:20.38 | octoserver | enouf |
| 01:20.39 | enouf | well .. same .. or etch |
| 01:20.40 | enouf | no |
| 01:20.58 | alexb2283 | brianwillis1984: pretty much any release will be fine |
| 01:21.09 | enouf | abrotman: not at that age eh? :-P |
| 01:21.31 | brianwillis1984 | could someone give me a linux that will work for my system |
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| 01:21.39 | enouf | brianwillis1984: what does no onboard ethernet mean? |
| 01:21.42 | brianwillis1984 | just so i dont download the wrong or old verison |
| 01:21.44 | enouf | Dialup Winmodem? |
| 01:22.08 | brianwillis1984 | enouf: i have to use a pcmia card to get online with it |
| 01:22.25 | alexb2283 | brianwillis1984: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:22.58 | brianwillis1984 | alex this verson debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 01:23.02 | enouf | alexb2283: somthing like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto issue? or .. |
| 01:23.06 | abrotman | brianwillis1984: yes |
| 01:23.13 | brianwillis1984 | k |
| 01:23.13 | enouf | alexb2283: or maybe http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 ? |
| 01:23.16 | brianwillis1984 | ill try it |
| 01:23.20 | alex___ | what? |
| 01:23.22 | alex___ | oh |
| 01:23.27 | alexb2283 | brianwillis1984: you can try the netinst iso. if your pcmcia card is supported in the installer you should be fine. otherwise go for standard cd1 |
| 01:23.37 | enouf | alexb2283: have you tried rootdelay= boot param? |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | he said no network |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | brianwillis1984: get CD1 |
| 01:24.06 | alexb2283 | abrotman: he said no onboard network |
| 01:24.10 | enouf | abrotman: he didn't say no network |
| 01:24.15 | brianwillis1984 | this is the verison im currnetly downloading debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 01:24.19 | brianwillis1984 | is that ok? |
| 01:24.23 | alexb2283 | enouf: there's no (software) raid involved. the bug is unrelated. what's the rootdelay= syntax ? |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | wonders why onboard matters .. but whatever |
| 01:24.50 | enouf | alexb2283: its in time format - seconds, IIRC |
| 01:24.54 | alexb2283 | abrotman: because he does in fact have network, it's just not onboard (and might not be supported as well as pci nics) |
| 01:25.07 | enouf | winmodem! |
| 01:25.11 | abrotman | it's from 1998 .. it's probably supported |
| 01:25.13 | alexb2283 | brianwillis1984: definitely. it just might be more than you need, but you'll be fine with it. if the iso size doesn't matter, go for it |
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| 01:25.16 | abrotman | gueses at the age |
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| 01:25.31 | dancor | enouf: a-ha, hibernate does work in 2.6.25. but ethernet does not. guess i'll try to figure out if some module not loaded |
| 01:25.34 | enouf | no, not supported -atleast not my POS USRobotics winmodem |
| 01:25.45 | brianwillis1984 | as long as it fits on a cd-r than its fine |
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| 01:25.46 | brianwillis1984 | lol |
| 01:25.50 | brianwillis1984 | and which it does |
| 01:25.51 | enouf | that came with answering machine software and everything and ran great in win98! |
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| 01:26.29 | alexb2283 | enouf: humm. what does it delay precisely ? i'd rather not depend on my reaction time to enter the password |
| 01:26.38 | enouf | dancor: right .. that's why i only wanted you to step down one revision from .26 -> .25 |
| 01:26.45 | acu | hey guys I installed Moodle 1.9 on Lenny, and somehow I have trouble in user registration - they get stuck when they need to add their email - I was wondering if I need to setup something relating to email - can anyone hint me ?? |
| 01:26.46 | alexb2283 | enouf: anyway, as far as i can tell it's more of a cosmetic issue, i'm just not quite sure yet |
| 01:26.54 | enouf | so you'd likely still have most hardware supported |
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| 01:27.47 | brianwillis1984 | last time i tried debian i must of had the old verison cause it wasnt working for me |
| 01:27.58 | enouf | alexb2283: see kernel-paramters.txt |
| 01:28.12 | enouf | "rootdelay= [KNL] Delay (in seconds) to pause before attempting to mount the root filesystem" |
| 01:28.13 | alexb2283 | looking at it right now |
| 01:28.27 | alexb2283 | that's not it really |
| 01:28.52 | enouf | alexb2283: let me look at your screenshot |
| 01:28.58 | alexb2283 | is there a way to control module load order ? |
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| 01:29.12 | alexb2283 | http://imagebin.org/36030 |
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| 01:29.26 | enouf | wow, nothing there |
| 01:29.28 | enouf | wonderful |
| 01:29.34 | enouf | upload to picpaste.com |
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| 01:29.55 | alexb2283 | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5009/udevrx5.jpg |
| 01:29.57 | alexb2283 | try this first |
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| 01:30.12 | alexb2283 | worky worky ? |
| 01:30.16 | enouf | alexb2283: kind of - you remove what you don't want - or blacklist it from the initrd |
| 01:30.26 | alexb2283 | mhm |
| 01:30.31 | nsadmin | jabbaworky? |
| 01:30.37 | enouf | alexb2283: wow! 2 whole lines! |
| 01:30.37 | alexb2283 | lol @ nsadmin |
| 01:30.40 | enouf | post the screen |
| 01:30.46 | alexb2283 | enouf: which is more than enough ;) |
| 01:30.58 | brian17 | does anyone know what the install option "standard system" includes |
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| 01:31.02 | enouf | alexb2283: ok, you fix it |
| 01:31.10 | alexb2283 | enouf: the first line _is_ the first line after grub sets the video mode |
| 01:31.11 | enouf | brianwillis1984: yes |
| 01:31.18 | enouf | FUCK |
| 01:31.24 | enouf | brian17: yes |
| 01:31.30 | alexb2283 | enouf: and there's nothing else related to udevd afterwards |
| 01:31.34 | brian17 | what? |
| 01:31.38 | nsadmin | brian17 used to be emacs, tex, compilers, basic stuff |
| 01:31.49 | brianwillis1984 | wow this is going to get confusing lol |
| 01:31.50 | enouf | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} \t${Package}\n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less |
| 01:31.50 | newsense | brian17, fireup tasksel i think it might tell ya |
| 01:31.50 | brian17 | how big? |
| 01:31.59 | brian17 | whats taskel |
| 01:32.08 | alexb2283 | enouf: i'd have to reboot if you wanted to see more, do you really want me to ? |
| 01:32.12 | alexb2283 | as in _really_ ? |
| 01:32.18 | enouf | newsense: tasksel says ~p{important,required,standard} |
| 01:32.19 | nsadmin | it had been defined as... everything "standard", everything "important", everything "required" |
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| 01:32.48 | newsense | enouf, i wasnt sure, who uses tasksel anyways right |
| 01:32.54 | enouf | alexb2283: tell me more about the specifics. kernel version, VM or not, etc |
| 01:33.06 | enouf | newsense: try it ;-) |
| 01:33.14 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 01:33.21 | enouf | aptitude can tell you too |
| 01:33.25 | newsense | i just did its as unusefull as i remember |
| 01:33.30 | enouf | what dpkg-query does |
| 01:33.31 | nsadmin | I dunno if that still applies... note, I don't think any X, x client libs, apps, or anything like that is included |
| 01:33.44 | alexb2283 | enouf: 2.6.28, physical, megaraid_sas for phy disks |
| 01:34.19 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 01:34.25 | nsadmin | .28 does work fine for some people... as yet it's not packaged |
| 01:34.40 | enouf | guys .. i need to slow a bit now - i'll pop in with some crap every now and then |
| 01:34.48 | nsadmin | unless you do the packaging yourself, which is easy |
| 01:35.09 | nsadmin | enouf: no worries :) |
| 01:35.33 | enouf | you're a pal nsadmin ;-) |
| 01:35.38 | enouf | !pal nsadmin |
| 01:35.38 | dpkg | points at nsadmin and laughs hysterically |
| 01:35.41 | pobega | This is kind of a stupid question...But if I have an orig.tar.gz of a package, and a diff.gz, how do I apply the diff to the source? |
| 01:35.41 | enouf | :-P |
| 01:35.44 | nsadmin | be my host! |
| 01:35.49 | nsadmin | err be my guest! |
| 01:35.51 | nsadmin | errrr |
| 01:35.55 | nsadmin | be my guest host! |
| 01:36.05 | enouf | hosts a guest |
| 01:36.05 | dustybin | how does one start 'logcheck' if i start as root it says |
| 01:36.07 | dustybin | logcheck should not be run as root. Use su to invoke logcheck: |
| 01:36.10 | alexb2283 | pobega: tar xzvf file.tar.gz, then http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-do-you-apply-a-diff-patch-529154/ |
| 01:36.21 | dustybin | if i switch to a user, it cannot locate logcheck at all |
| 01:36.26 | newsense | dustybin, read what else it tells you |
| 01:36.40 | enouf | dpkg-diff, iirc |
| 01:36.41 | dustybin | newsense: this doesnt work: su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck --help" logcheck |
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| 01:36.47 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 01:36.56 | newsense | dustybin, heh does for me |
| 01:37.00 | man_in_shack | does etch support packages compressed with lzma or bzip2? |
| 01:37.28 | newsense | dustybin, as root |
| 01:37.38 | brian17 | to install x |
| 01:37.45 | alexb2283 | ok, so everyone gave up on me ? :) |
| 01:37.52 | brian17 | is apt-get install xserver-xorg sufficent? |
| 01:37.54 | nsadmin | dustybin: $PATH is an env var... each process has its own copy of any and all env vars it wants... a shell is a process, therefore they have their own copy of $PATH |
| 01:38.45 | simonrvn | all those copies can get messy, so it get inited each time ;p |
| 01:38.46 | dustybin | nagnag: ok, ive run: su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck as root |
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| 01:38.51 | enouf | man_in_shack pkgs? no, it's not a .deb then , IINM, but source, yeah |
| 01:38.57 | dustybin | however, lsof | grep logcheck shows nothing? |
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| 01:39.03 | nsadmin | dustybin, some processes will interpret the value of $PATH as a list of directories to search for executables... |
| 01:39.12 | enouf | man_in_shack: ar -x and dpkg -x are your friends |
| 01:39.15 | newsense | dustybin, it needs an arguement |
| 01:39.29 | enouf | and even 'file' |
| 01:39.29 | nsadmin | dustybin: with me so far? |
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| 01:39.44 | simonrvn | man_in_shack: still tar.gz |
| 01:39.44 | dustybin | no :P logcheck sent me this email: Failed to get lockfile: /var/lock/logcheck/logcheck.lock |
| 01:39.47 | newsense | dustybin, ie su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck -t -o" logcheck |
| 01:39.56 | dustybin | bloody 'eck |
| 01:40.18 | man_in_shack | enouf, i'm essentially talking about dpkg-deb -Z flag. simonrvn seems to have answered it |
| 01:40.39 | enouf | man_in_shack: great .. nice to tell us upfront |
| 01:40.40 | dustybin | Error: Failed to get lockfile: /var/lock/logcheck/logcheck.lock. |
| 01:40.45 | man_in_shack | enouf, sorry :) |
| 01:40.52 | man_in_shack | i have a headache and am tired |
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| 01:41.09 | man_in_shack | so not in the best state for being precise |
| 01:41.12 | enouf | oh .. and nobody else is tired ? :-) |
| 01:41.23 | man_in_shack | no, nobody else is ever allowed to be tired ;) |
| 01:41.29 | simonrvn | not yet but getting there ;p |
| 01:41.32 | enouf | hence my slight sarcarsm ;-) |
| 01:41.57 | man_in_shack | oh really? you were being sarcastic? ;) |
| 01:42.00 | nsadmin | more to the point: anyone (helpers, helpees) who might be tired/under weather could use a break |
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| 01:42.09 | man_in_shack | </sarcasm> |
| 01:42.51 | man_in_shack | ok, i gonna go get some pain killers |
| 01:42.54 | enouf | is also a bit sick |
| 01:43.04 | man_in_shack | throws paracetemol at enouf |
| 01:43.06 | man_in_shack | cya |
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| 01:43.26 | enouf | and i don't mean in the head - although that part is true mentally as well as physically |
| 01:43.29 | nsadmin | oh noez! parasitez! |
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| 01:43.54 | enouf | paris who? |
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| 01:44.24 | simonrvn | itez |
| 01:44.31 | nsadmin | Paris Itis, the famous biological model |
| 01:45.13 | enouf | wtf did he go now?! |
| 01:45.14 | kolpur | i am trying to install a package from source |
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| 01:45.28 | enouf | alexb2283 |
| 01:45.33 | kolpur | after ./configure ,what should i do ?? |
| 01:45.42 | enouf | no |
| 01:45.45 | nsadmin | kolpur: it's a package? try debian/rules build |
| 01:45.58 | enouf | you do ./configure --help PRIOR |
| 01:46.06 | enouf | and find any INSTALL and README |
| 01:46.10 | enouf | and rtfm |
| 01:46.24 | nsadmin | you READ the README and INSTALL the INSTALL |
| 01:46.26 | enouf | kolpur: it's not a pkg either |
| 01:46.33 | simonrvn | /parted |
| 01:46.40 | simonrvn | kolpur: plthat's not a package from source |
| 01:46.53 | kolpur | its a program called musictracker .. i downloaded it from googlecode |
| 01:46.56 | enouf | fixes simonrvn 's keys |
| 01:47.02 | simonrvn | aaand? |
| 01:47.14 | simonrvn | load spiked... 8+ |
| 01:47.38 | nsadmin | kolpur: oh, yeah, they're telling you the right stuff,,, so theres no debian dir in there? |
| 01:47.38 | enouf | random keypresses inserted into the text ... heh |
| 01:48.20 | simonrvn | i couldn't see what i was typing due to the load spike O_o |
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| 01:48.33 | brian17 | if i install xdm |
| 01:48.41 | brian17 | will it automatically come up when i reboot? |
| 01:48.46 | nsadmin | yes |
| 01:48.51 | brian17 | cool |
| 01:48.52 | enouf | simonrvn: did i mention i'm on a p2 350MHz and don't have those issues? ;-) |
| 01:48.54 | simonrvn | it'll come up when installed |
| 01:49.20 | nsadmin | and if you have x configured properly, it coming up will have a desired effect :) |
| 01:49.28 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 01:50.17 | nsadmin | do you have x running properly? |
| 01:50.31 | simonrvn | enouf: it's called some unexplained load spike when installing packages |
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| 01:50.50 | nsadmin | if so, good; you might want to stop that x and do the install from console |
| 01:50.58 | enouf | simonrvn: and yet, i listen/watch using mplayer constantly, i have like 40 browser windows open in GUI, i have a GUI irc client in 12 channels across 2 networks -- AND i can compile a Kernel and use make-kpkh, no prob ;-) |
| 01:51.14 | enouf | there's more too .. i just forget now |
| 01:51.48 | simonrvn | enouf: what's your point? |
| 01:51.51 | newsense | man im going out to buy a p2 |
| 01:52.07 | enouf | simonrvn: i'm not sure - just showin off ;-) |
| 01:52.37 | nsadmin | you have to pay money for p2s?! |
| 01:52.43 | enouf | OH .. ihave a GUI xterm with 10 shells open in separate tabs .. |
| 01:52.47 | simonrvn | newsense: i don't think you can buy any anymore ;) |
| 01:52.53 | newsense | maybe not anyone wanna just uh "give" me one ? |
| 01:52.59 | enouf | er .. oxymoron, sorry, gui xterm heh |
| 01:53.12 | simonrvn | redundant |
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| 01:53.28 | nsadmin | xey gooterm? |
| 01:53.32 | enouf | simonrvn: no, you can't but the dump and the curbside are treasure troves ;-0 |
| 01:53.52 | brian17 | how do i install the nv driver |
| 01:53.54 | dustybin | debian lenny doesnt do this 'chown -R logcheck /var/lock/logcheck/' |
| 01:53.55 | brian17 | the 2d one |
| 01:53.56 | simonrvn | sure are, where do you think i got this athlon? |
| 01:54.07 | newsense | i got my p4 in the trash |
| 01:54.24 | nsadmin | what's it doing in the trash? |
| 01:54.29 | simonrvn | i have a p4 sitting idle, heh |
| 01:54.41 | enouf | nsadmin: i have from p1s through Dell Dual Xeon CPU servers from the trash ;-) |
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| 01:54.54 | newsense | nsadmin, never booted till i reset the bios via the jumper than it worked :) |
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| 01:55.15 | dustybin | what do you think the release after lenny will be called? |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | squeeze |
| 01:55.41 | enouf | newsense: i once hit newegg up for 3x NEW coolermaster 600w PSUs for a final total of ... |
| 01:55.43 | dustybin | serious? |
| 01:55.45 | enouf | 18.69 |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:55.48 | dustybin | Debian Squeeze |
| 01:55.49 | enouf | ;-) |
| 01:55.50 | dustybin | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:56.04 | enouf | after the mail-in-rebates |
| 01:56.08 | newsense | enouf, im going to start looking around for some deals myself dam |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | !squeeze |
| 01:56.09 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 01:56.13 | simonrvn | i don't want to use it 'cause the only video card that will run in it is the nvidia one, and i'd rather use the ati, and the athlon (a) working free 3d driver b) less heat and power usage) |
| 01:56.14 | nsadmin | squeeze DebiAn |
| 01:56.33 | newsense | what character was squeeze again ? |
| 01:56.40 | nsadmin | x |
| 01:56.42 | abrotman | it freaking tells you ..RIGHT THERE |
| 01:56.50 | enouf | dustybin: squeeze it better than slushy! |
| 01:56.54 | nsadmin | accordion? |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | !squeeze |
| 01:56.57 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the release to follow Lenny. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
| 01:56.58 | dustybin | hahah |
| 01:57.02 | enouf | xylophone |
| 01:57.04 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:57.07 | newsense | abrotman, doh was stuffing my face with popcorn chicken didnt see that sorry |
| 01:57.23 | simonrvn | less sutffing more reading |
| 01:57.29 | newsense | :) |
| 01:57.37 | newsense | dammit now i got my keyboard greasy |
| 01:57.54 | simonrvn | less stuffing more typing |
| 01:58.07 | simonrvn | :P |
| 01:58.08 | enouf | !popcon chicken |
| 01:58.11 | enouf | :-P |
| 01:58.19 | newsense | yeah kfc |
| 01:58.21 | simonrvn | '; |
| 01:58.24 | newsense | i love the things |
| 01:58.26 | enouf | ahh |
| 01:58.35 | enouf | !popcon '; chicken |
| 01:58.39 | simonrvn | kfc is not food |
| 01:58.44 | enouf | no bueno :-( |
| 01:58.53 | simonrvn | imo |
| 01:58.54 | nsadmin | kfc is a tla |
| 01:59.00 | enouf | recalls simonrvn 's keys are on strike |
| 01:59.09 | simonrvn | .g134l11``3 swr |
| 01:59.18 | enouf | !scab |
| 01:59.18 | dpkg | I have children to feed! |
| 01:59.23 | dustybin | nsadmin: i can now run this command: su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck -o -t" logcheck however, i cannot find it, ps aux | grep logcheck shows nothing? |
| 01:59.23 | enouf | heh |
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| 01:59.31 | simonrvn | haha nice one |
| 01:59.39 | enouf | not a usual one ;-) |
| 02:00.13 | nsadmin | is logcheck supposed to stay running? |
| 02:00.22 | dustybin | Also verify that the logcheck user can read all files referenced in |
| 02:00.22 | dustybin | /etc/logcheck/logcheck.logfiles! |
| 02:00.27 | enouf | dustybin: install pstree and pgrep <name> and check /proc |
| 02:00.29 | dustybin | what a nightmware |
| 02:00.35 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:00.40 | simonrvn | realized today that he had a FUBAR LDAP ACL and groups weren't being found by uid != 0 |
| 02:00.41 | enouf | run top/htop dustybin |
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| 02:00.53 | nsadmin | dustybin: welcome to the world of the developer |
| 02:00.59 | simonrvn | nsadmin: cron.daily |
| 02:01.07 | dustybin | LOL |
| 02:01.08 | enouf | ewww |
| 02:01.51 | nsadmin | simonrvn: so cron.daily runs it? |
| 02:01.54 | dancor | even after modprobe e1000e my lenovo T400 ethernet won't work in 2.6.25. it's intel 82567LM gigabit. is it possible it's too new, or do i need to recompile module for that kernel |
| 02:01.56 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 02:02.09 | enouf | dustybin: wait, doesn't /var/../*pid contain the PID? |
| 02:02.10 | nsadmin | dustybin: maybe it ran and completed before you could type ps aux |
| 02:02.15 | dancor | maybe i should try a newer kernel to get hibernate to work instead of an old one.. |
| 02:02.25 | abrotman | dancor: lspci -nn .. what's the pciid ? |
| 02:02.41 | intx | anyone here use a 780G/790GX/FX? what does "Due to AMD CPU limitation, DDR2 1066 is supported by AM2+ CPU for one DIMM per channel only. " mean on motherboard specs? |
| 02:02.51 | dancor | abrotman: 00:19.0 |
| 02:03.04 | dustybin | nsadmin: the problem is this |
| 02:03.05 | dustybin | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 388921 2009-01-17 02:02 syslog |
| 02:03.12 | abrotman | dancor: that's not a pciid |
| 02:03.14 | dustybin | there is no way for the logcheck user to read that file |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | put it in the adm group ? |
| 02:03.29 | nsadmin | so it |
| 02:03.30 | enouf | dustybin: in /var/run/ |
| 02:03.40 | dancor | abrotman: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) |
| 02:03.47 | nsadmin | is owned by root and its primary group is adm |
| 02:03.56 | nsadmin | there's an adm group in debian? :) |
| 02:04.03 | enouf | dustybin: |
| 02:04.03 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:04.05 | enouf | ~$ groups |
| 02:04.05 | enouf | stompthebozo adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev saned powerdev |
| 02:04.12 | enouf | !groups |
| 02:04.12 | dpkg | hmm... groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html, or ask me about <group><desktop groups> |
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| 02:04.16 | dustybin | logcheck:x:112:119:logcheck system account,,,:/var/lib/logcheck:/bin/false |
| 02:04.30 | nsadmin | members stompthebozo |
| 02:04.32 | dustybin | ill add logcheck to the adm group |
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| 02:04.47 | brianwillis1984 | takes awhile for the debian iso to download dont it lol |
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| 02:04.48 | enouf | nsadmin: username:usergroup ;-) |
| 02:04.54 | simonrvn | !gravity |
| 02:04.54 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover, or loves proprietary drivers |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | dancor: that should work in the .26 kernel |
| 02:05.11 | gravity | Hey simonrvn :-) |
| 02:05.12 | dustybin | the plot thickens: The user `logcheck' is already a member of `adm' |
| 02:05.16 | enouf | wait |
| 02:05.24 | simonrvn | hey gravity :) |
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| 02:05.35 | dancor | abrotman: it works in .26 but not .25. is that expected? are you looking at kernel changelogs or something |
| 02:05.37 | enouf | abrotman: wait - he's having powerpc issues on Lenny -- .26 |
| 02:05.42 | enouf | er suspend issues |
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| 02:05.49 | abrotman | intel e1000 on ppc ? |
| 02:06.10 | enouf | so, i told him to try .25 == works with hibernate .. not with NIC though |
| 02:06.11 | simonrvn | i have an e100 on the ppc box |
| 02:06.13 | enouf | new issue |
| 02:06.14 | nsadmin | dustybin: notice adm can read but not write syslog |
| 02:06.20 | dancor | is on amd64, lenovo T400 |
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| 02:06.32 | enouf | omg |
| 02:06.33 | enouf | sorry |
| 02:06.41 | enouf | it was blast_hardcheese |
| 02:06.43 | simonrvn | read is the only thing logcheck needs |
| 02:06.47 | enouf | that was on powerpc |
| 02:06.59 | enouf | similar .. somewhat issues though |
| 02:07.56 | enouf | they both bombarded me at once.. and then i had to defend my suggestions to the Jelly-monster too |
| 02:08.06 | dancor | i guess i would have to manually config kernel to go later than .26 |
| 02:08.24 | enouf | dancor: one second |
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| 02:08.47 | acu | hey guys - it seem that I have to setup an smtp server for my moodle to work - should I use postfix or exim - which one is most user friendly easier to manage ? (like less than three neurons require) ! |
| 02:08.50 | enouf | dancor: wait - e1000e? omg |
| 02:09.00 | enouf | are you kidding? |
| 02:09.24 | dancor | enouf: no.. that was what google seemed to indicate was module for this ethernet |
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| 02:09.32 | dancor | controller |
| 02:09.33 | enouf | dancor: that shit be BRICKED via wrong ethtool commands |
| 02:09.37 | enouf | google that |
| 02:09.43 | enouf | oh wait |
| 02:09.54 | enouf | DAMMIT |
| 02:10.12 | enouf | dancor: show me output of lspci -nnk | grep -i eth |
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| 02:10.50 | dustybin | its working without errors now, logcheck has emailed me some logs, however, ps aux | grep logcheck still shows nothing? maybe you are meant to put logcheck into a cron? |
| 02:11.20 | enouf | dancor: afa bricked -- google "airlied eeprom e1000e" IIRC |
| 02:11.29 | dancor | enouf: under .26 ok or should i boot back to .25 |
| 02:11.44 | dancor | for the -k output |
| 02:11.44 | enouf | poor guy , but HP? replaced it, iinm |
| 02:11.56 | enouf | dancor: forget the -k |
| 02:12.01 | enouf | just lspci -nn |
| 02:12.03 | enouf | now! |
| 02:12.09 | dancor | hah i just did that |
| 02:12.12 | dancor | abrotman: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10f5] (rev 03) |
| 02:12.19 | dancor | oops didn't change the name |
| 02:12.51 | enouf | fuck |
| 02:12.53 | simonrvn | dustybin: yes, it runs from cron.daily |
| 02:12.53 | enouf | ~$ grep '8086.*10f5' /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/modules.pcimap |
| 02:12.53 | enouf | e1000e 0x00008086 0x000010f5 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
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| 02:13.37 | dustybin | simonrvn: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 02:13.42 | enouf | dancor: the e1000e is the correct module -- might need to compile and install it - see module-assistant |
| 02:13.42 | dustybin | that explains it! :D |
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| 02:14.07 | enouf | !win simonrvn |
| 02:14.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:14.13 | enouf | !pony simonrvn |
| 02:14.13 | dpkg | gives simonrvn a pony |
| 02:14.17 | dustybin | simonrvn: is that a professional way of doing it? |
| 02:14.21 | enouf | !congrats dustybin |
| 02:14.25 | simonrvn | 21:00 < simonrvn> nsadmin: cron.daily 21:01 < nsadmin> simonrvn: so cron.daily runs it? 21:01 < simonrvn> yup |
| 02:14.32 | dustybin | oh i missed that dam |
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| 02:15.01 | enouf | dustybin: i've disabled all the cron.daily bullshit |
| 02:15.07 | enouf | chmod -x |
| 02:15.27 | dustybin | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate <-- thats the sucker |
| 02:15.28 | \amethyst | enouf: why? |
| 02:15.29 | enouf | updatedb can suck my ass :-) |
| 02:15.54 | enouf | it's actually /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 02:15.56 | dustybin | i wonder how logwatch works, maybe that doesnt use cron |
| 02:16.22 | enouf | dustybin: when in doubt - find + grep ;-) |
| 02:16.31 | dustybin | aye good idea |
| 02:16.32 | brianwillis1984 | ok im loading in that debian you guys to me to load in |
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| 02:18.25 | dustybin | For general monitoring we have 'nagios'. Monitoring via stats 'munin, mrtg, cacti'. Monitoring logs 'logcheck, logwatch' |
| 02:18.55 | enouf | dustybin: for kernel source (not source, but Kconfig info) searching i use something like; |
| 02:18.59 | enouf | find . -name 'Kconfig*' | xargs grep -il acpi | xargs grep -il blacklist | xargs grep -il depend |
| 02:19.26 | simonrvn | logwatch also uses cron |
| 02:19.37 | enouf | naturally, cd'd into wherever the src is |
| 02:19.55 | dustybin | simonrvn: eeek |
| 02:20.08 | enouf | dustybin: see also /etc/updatedb.conf |
| 02:20.16 | dustybin | ok :D |
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| 02:20.35 | enouf | ALWAYS confuses dustybin with "dutchfish" |
| 02:20.37 | enouf | dammit |
| 02:20.40 | topgun17 | How does one fix dead volume? |
| 02:20.49 | enouf | Reanimator |
| 02:21.20 | enouf | use the Defibrrillator |
| 02:21.23 | brianwillis1984 | hey i have a netgear wg511 v2 im in the install where it detected network hardware what would i choice |
| 02:21.26 | enouf | ShockTheMonkey |
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| 02:22.40 | dancor | ok i will see if manually building e1000e-0.5.8.2 is better than what's in the .25 kernel |
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| 02:22.56 | brianwillis1984 | hey i have a netgear wg511 v2 im in the install where it detected network hardware what would i choice |
| 02:23.10 | brianwillis1984 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.57 | topgun17 | How does one reconfigure his xserver sothat he may take full advantage of a monitor capablre of the folowing geolution 1680X1060? |
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| 02:24.51 | enouf | dancor: whatever you do -- please also file a bug report -- thanks |
| 02:24.57 | dancor | ok |
| 02:25.13 | newsense | dustybin, monit turn out to be a nice app in your opinion just curious ? |
| 02:25.14 | dancor | for the original hibernate issue only right |
| 02:25.21 | enouf | dancor: 1st try to look for similar ones |
| 02:25.33 | dancor | bugs? ya |
| 02:25.33 | enouf | dancor: yes ... and your findings |
| 02:25.40 | enouf | !bts |
| 02:25.40 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 02:25.49 | dustybin | newsense: im using it right now, im just about to test it again, i will kill a process its monitoring, ill report back |
| 02:25.57 | newsense | MatBoy, sexchange ? |
| 02:26.17 | MatBoy | newsense: yeah, all virtual these days :D |
| 02:26.22 | newsense | dustybin, cool i am curious to know the results |
| 02:26.24 | MatBoy | needed to troll someone |
| 02:26.24 | newsense | :) |
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| 02:26.34 | dustybin | newsense: pkill mythbackend monit: mythbackendDoes not exist |
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| 02:27.30 | dustybin | newsense: monit emailed my cellphone |
| 02:27.51 | newsense | dustybin, man thats too cool |
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| 02:28.07 | dustybin | monit alert -- Does not exist mythbackend monit alert -- Exists mythbackend |
| 02:28.18 | enouf | dustybin: i'm proud of you for following through .. you ain't no dutchfish though - and i'm sorry i confuse both your nicks |
| 02:28.19 | dustybin | however, theres a problem: monit alert -- Connection failed mythbackend |
| 02:28.24 | dustybin | it nearly worked |
| 02:28.26 | newsense | never thought of having a monitoring app email my cell shoulda thought of that myself |
| 02:28.31 | enouf | dustybin: and i'll gladly help .. if i can |
| 02:28.35 | dustybin | :D |
| 02:28.41 | newsense | goes off to implement similar cell emailing |
| 02:28.57 | enouf | unravels the nicks in his mind |
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| 02:29.27 | Tramp | what utility would I want to check out for indexing textfiles? |
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| 02:29.49 | enouf | man tune2fs see dir_index ;-) |
| 02:30.00 | dustybin | newsense: mythbackend did restart, but there is database communication problem, the logs are filling up with mysql errors, im not sure why because i monit only restarted mythbackend |
| 02:30.02 | enouf | locate / updatedb, etc |
| 02:30.24 | Tramp | enouf: if that was for me: they don't index files but filenames. I want to index the contents |
| 02:30.33 | enouf | oh |
| 02:30.36 | enouf | well say so |
| 02:30.46 | dustybin | newsense: Host 'xxxxxxx.net' is blocked because of many connection errors; unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-host |
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| 02:30.55 | enouf | hrm.. |
| 02:30.58 | Tramp | enouf: "indexing textfiles" <---- ?? thought that was clear |
| 02:31.14 | enouf | no, it's not at all , IME |
| 02:31.43 | enouf | textfiles == anything in ASCII text to me |
| 02:31.53 | newsense | dustybin, that sucks so it restarted it but with db errors nice |
| 02:32.02 | Tramp | ok. hope to have cleared it up then. I have textfiles which I want to search. And yes, I know about grep but that is not what I'm looking for |
| 02:32.06 | enouf | slight misunderstanding is all |
| 02:32.09 | dancor | i can't find linux-kbuild-2.6.25 deb anywhere, including on snapshot.debian.net |
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| 02:32.20 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 02:32.31 | dancor | but it is a dep of linux-headers-2.6.25-1-amd64 |
| 02:32.35 | enouf | i thought i recall ... oh ffs |
| 02:33.01 | abrotman | Tramp: htdig perhaps ? |
| 02:33.01 | enouf | it would also make sense if somehow 'sort' or it |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | Tramp: or an application like Beagle maybe |
| 02:33.13 | enouf | s functions are involved |
| 02:33.19 | enouf | omg |
| 02:33.24 | topgun17 | How does one reconfigure his xserver sothat he may take full advantage of a monitor capablre of the folowing geolution 1680X1060? |
| 02:33.25 | dustybin | newsense_ps3: this is the command: '/usr/bin/env PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin HOME=/home/mythtv /etc/init.d/mythbackend start' |
| 02:33.26 | enouf | not the DOG! |
| 02:33.38 | Tramp | abrotman: ok, thanks. I'll check them out - thanks enouf too. |
| 02:33.54 | enouf | shoots the beagle app .. loves dogs though |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | enouf: it's gnome-ish .. you wouldn't like it |
| 02:34.06 | simonrvn | tracker |
| 02:34.11 | simonrvn | a lot btter |
| 02:34.40 | enouf | abrotman: doesn't matter -- it'll fill your HDD and cause irrepairable crash |
| 02:34.58 | pipeline | topgun17: it depends on your video driver. essentially the problem is that vesa only supports 4:3 resolutions |
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| 02:35.16 | pipeline | topgun17: on intel video, you have to have a script patch the v ideo BIOS at boot time to enable non-VESA resolutions |
| 02:35.16 | enouf | sends abrotman into ##linux for some real-world experience :-P |
| 02:35.30 | pipeline | topgun17: on ati and nvidia, you just need the specialized driver |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | enouf: huh? |
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| 02:35.49 | abrotman | enouf: tell fieldy i said hello! :) |
| 02:36.01 | pipeline | fieldy wasn't he a one hit wonder from the 90s |
| 02:36.03 | asg | sNuts |
| 02:36.04 | enouf | abrotman: oh.. s/he is still there? |
| 02:36.06 | brianwillis1984 | this is driveing me nut everyone tells me to get debian but i keep running into the same dam problem |
| 02:36.12 | brianwillis1984 | with the network crap |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | enouf: still an op there AFAIK |
| 02:36.28 | enouf | doesn't care .. but ok |
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| 02:36.42 | topgun17 | How does one get the specialized driver pipeline ? |
| 02:37.46 | enouf | dancor: i've seen the -kbuild- pkgs at s.d.n |
| 02:38.28 | enouf | dancor: look at this and read thoroughly http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 02:39.09 | enouf | dancor: mostly the kbuild info |
| 02:40.16 | simonrvn | amazing what you can do with rubber cement, left over foam from patties' wrapper |
| 02:40.17 | enouf | pats himself on the back... :-/ |
| 02:40.31 | enouf | panties? |
| 02:40.36 | enouf | don't start! |
| 02:40.40 | simonrvn | soundproofing! |
| 02:40.50 | enouf | egg cartons! |
| 02:40.55 | simonrvn | hands enouf a new pair of eyes |
| 02:41.14 | enouf | panties + wrapper go .. hand in hand ;-) |
| 02:41.35 | topgun17 | how do i fing out my video cARDS BUS IDENTIFYER? |
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| 02:41.45 | enouf | passes simonrvn some soundproofing battons |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | topgun17: you don't need it, leave it blank |
| 02:42.05 | dancor | hah wiki recommends german download |
| 02:42.08 | dancor | s/de/en |
| 02:42.10 | enouf | of insulation |
| 02:42.24 | enouf | dancor: for? |
| 02:42.34 | enouf | dancor: does it matter? |
| 02:42.37 | dancor | http://ftp.de.kernel.org |
| 02:42.38 | dancor | sloow |
| 02:42.46 | enouf | oh ffs |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:42.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:42.54 | enouf | whine some more ... please |
| 02:43.07 | enouf | don't even .. |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | kids ... |
| 02:43.14 | nsadmin | and please cheese |
| 02:43.17 | nsadmin | with that whine :) |
| 02:43.27 | enouf | you're looking to pick a fight .. stop .. now |
| 02:43.34 | simonrvn | stop |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | you started |
| 02:43.36 | simonrvn | it |
| 02:43.41 | nsadmin | am not :P |
| 02:43.42 | enouf | !enouf |
| 02:43.42 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 02:44.36 | dancor | doesn't really understand what's happening but appreciates the help so far :) |
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| 02:45.05 | enouf | dancor: pay attention to me only, you'll be fine ;-) |
| 02:45.08 | brian5345 | hello |
| 02:45.17 | brian5345 | i just installed debian for first time :) |
| 02:45.21 | brian5345 | however i ran alsaconf |
| 02:45.27 | brian5345 | and i have no sound |
| 02:45.29 | enouf | </close> self-aggrandizement |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | children ... |
| 02:45.41 | brian5345 | where is volume control? |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | brian5345: are you in the audio group ? |
| 02:45.50 | nsadmin | alsamixer |
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| 02:46.11 | nsadmin | unless you're running rme hdsp or hdspm |
| 02:46.12 | enouf | brian5345: apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-oss |
| 02:46.43 | nsadmin | the guy writing the drivers for that device seems to be fed up with alsa... |
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| 02:47.17 | brian5345 | is the alsamixer muted by default? |
| 02:47.25 | nsadmin | probably6 |
| 02:47.25 | enouf | it might be |
| 02:47.34 | brian5345 | is "line" what i need |
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| 02:47.47 | nsadmin | maybe :) what do you need? |
| 02:47.57 | brian5345 | speakers to play sound |
| 02:48.06 | enouf | !speaker-test |
| 02:48.06 | dpkg | well, speaker-test is do; "speaker-test -tsine -f440 -c2" or perhaps "speaker-test -t wav -c 2" for a nicer female voice, instead of a tone to test if speakers are working in alsa (install alsa-utils), ask me about <alsa checklist> and <soundcheck> |
| 02:48.13 | enouf | !soundcheck |
| 02:48.13 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | !tell brian5345 about alsa checklist |
| 02:48.47 | nsadmin | there's that script #alsa people want helpees to run |
| 02:48.51 | brian5345 | oo |
| 02:48.51 | brian5345 | sound |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | that tell feature sure is useful |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | brian5345: stop hitting the enter key |
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| 02:49.59 | brian5345 | ok i have further question: in fluxbox it seems that once i reboot pc, the theme doesn't stick. Any suggestions |
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| 02:50.52 | enouf | brian5345: something maybe with respect to update-alternative --config x-wndow-manager |
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| 02:51.07 | enouf | brian5345: or you ~/.flux* files |
| 02:51.11 | brian5345 | oh |
| 02:51.11 | enouf | or your DM |
| 02:51.20 | enouf | !nodm |
| 02:51.20 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:51.33 | enouf | just b/c it lists them all |
| 02:51.55 | brian5345 | my fluxbox files are in the /ect/x11/fluxbox folder, should they be moved? |
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| 02:51.59 | brian5345 | Sorry im a mac osx noob |
| 02:52.01 | enouf | a !de talks about german |
| 02:52.08 | simonrvn | brian5345: no |
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| 02:53.04 | nickgaw | What package allows subversion servers to run and creation of subversion repositories on debian Lenny? |
| 02:53.22 | enouf | what? |
| 02:53.51 | enouf | !info subversion-tools |
| 02:53.53 | brian5345 | so enouf what do suggest i do: i installed today without selecting a DE in install my dm is xdm |
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| 02:54.17 | dpkg | subversion-tools: (Assorted tools related to Subversion), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.5.1dfsg1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 02:54.22 | \amethyst | nickgaw: svnserve and svnadmin are both in the package 'subversion' |
| 02:54.34 | enouf | yoou have a DM, use it, read the docs -- and man update-alternatives , and man xdm |
| 02:54.45 | enouf | brian5345: ^^^^^^^ |
| 02:54.49 | simonrvn | de != dm |
| 02:55.00 | nsadmin | do you want a de? |
| 02:55.13 | enouf | simonrvn: point! .. missed it |
| 02:55.19 | enouf | !dm |
| 02:55.19 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 02:55.24 | topgun17 | I got my Dell 2005FPW Flap panel Display running at it's native reslution o 1680X1050 |
| 02:55.26 | brian5345 | "and man xdm" what do you mean |
| 02:55.36 | enouf | DE is the KDE/GNOME?XFCE + more bloat |
| 02:55.55 | simonrvn | type man xdm at a terminal |
| 02:56.03 | enouf | !tell brian5345 -about grounding |
| 02:56.19 | nsadmin | brian5345: he wants you to read the man page for xdm... btw, have you read man X? interesting read! |
| 02:56.55 | enouf | thanks for the external support peoples ;-) |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | yeah, that'll go well |
| 02:57.03 | brian5345 | i am not that new to linux, i chose xdm because it seemed the lightest choice |
| 02:57.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:57.20 | simonrvn | cool |
| 02:57.23 | brian5345 | so you think that my desktop doesnt stay the same on reboot because of XDM? |
| 02:57.25 | topgun17 | Are their binaries for cvirtual machine out for Debian? |
| 02:57.32 | nsadmin | brian5345: all the dms are single programs which are x clients |
| 02:57.48 | nickgaw | I have installed the subversion-tools package but no configuration came up about where the repositories are going to be stored and no starting messages were displayed. Where should I look? |
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| 02:58.00 | simonrvn | well, not really, they more like spawm sub-processes |
| 02:58.02 | grndslm | join #gnome |
| 02:58.06 | enouf | brian5345: there's a "wizard behind the curtain' things are not always as they seem |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | nickgaw: i think \amethyst pointed you at the subversion package |
| 02:58.17 | \amethyst | nickgaw: you put repositories wherever you want |
| 02:58.39 | enouf | brian5345: all the DMs do is launch Bloated Behemoths , IMO |
| 02:58.56 | nsadmin | you can have xdm and write a shell script called ~/.xsession that puts clients on your screen. all of them should be backgrounded in the script except for one, which should use exec |
| 02:59.15 | simonrvn | and that's the wm |
| 02:59.26 | enouf | !xsession |
| 02:59.26 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 02:59.30 | nickgaw | so then how do I start the server so remote users can connect using svn? |
| 02:59.43 | topgun17 | Does any one know How i can get my nvidiA hIGH DEFFINITIONB onbard audio up and running? |
| 02:59.45 | simonrvn | i use exec anyway, and background them if they don't, except for the wm or de |
| 02:59.58 | nsadmin | most times that will be the wm... but you can also write a script that puts up a logout button |
| 02:59.59 | \amethyst | nickgaw: man svnserve |
| 03:00.14 | brian5345 | all i have in my xsession is exec fluxbox |
| 03:00.16 | \amethyst | nickgaw: there are a few different options for how you start it |
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| 03:00.31 | nsadmin | in any case... when the execed process goes away, your session terminates |
| 03:00.33 | dancor | enouf: the most wonderful thing happened. after fighting a bit to convince it i wanted .25 and not .27, everything worked and now i have ethernet+hibernate |
| 03:00.39 | grndslm | anybody know why alt+tab isn't working for me with metacity? Alt and any other command works, but Alt and Tab just acts as tab |
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| 03:01.25 | enouf | dancor: b e a u t y ;-) |
| 03:01.26 | \amethyst | nickgaw: AFAIK there is no automatic configuration of svnserve in debian; you can run svnserve -d from the command line or put an entry in inetd.conf for svnserve -i |
| 03:01.28 | simonrvn | SESSSION.... TERMINATED! |
| 03:01.39 | \amethyst | nickgaw: there should be more info in the online docs for subversion |
| 03:01.40 | enouf | dancor: now .. pleas document it - in your bug report |
| 03:01.41 | simonrvn | woops, hehhe |
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| 03:01.43 | topgun17 | where would one configure debain for the correct init level for multiuser textmode? |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | 2-6 are the smae |
| 03:02.06 | simonrvn | topgun17: debian doesn't work like that |
| 03:02.20 | enouf | topgun17: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 03:02.21 | simonrvn | 2-5 |
| 03:02.29 | nsadmin | you can make your own textmode tho |
| 03:02.30 | enouf | yes simonrvn |
| 03:02.34 | enouf | !fail abrotman |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | it's right next to the 6 .. sue me |
| 03:02.50 | simonrvn | use me |
| 03:02.51 | enouf | heh :-P |
| 03:03.10 | simonrvn | use,sue, common typo ;) |
| 03:03.22 | nsadmin | use sue! |
| 03:04.20 | nickgaw | Why is there not an automatic method for starting svnserve like the cvs server does? |
| 03:04.35 | simonrvn | because |
| 03:04.42 | enouf | !write a script |
| 03:04.57 | nsadmin | !test |
| 03:04.57 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 03:05.03 | nsadmin | oh DAMN! |
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| 03:06.32 | nsadmin | nickgaw: bile a fishlist wug |
| 03:06.45 | nsadmin | file a wishlist bug |
| 03:06.51 | enouf | mmmmm ... bile |
| 03:07.30 | nsadmin | it has that just slightly caustic bite to it... |
| 03:08.14 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 03:08.47 | enouf | !wb bullgard4 |
| 03:08.47 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! bullgard4 has returned! |
| 03:09.20 | bullgard4 | gm enouf! |
| 03:09.47 | enouf | bullgard4: good brrrrr' morn' |
| 03:09.57 | enouf | shivers |
| 03:11.06 | enouf | !18 / 9/5 + 32 |
| 03:11.06 | dpkg | 32.4 |
| 03:11.14 | enouf | eww .. wrong |
| 03:11.25 | enouf | !18 / 9/5 - 32 |
| 03:11.25 | dpkg | -31.6 |
| 03:11.34 | enouf | eww .. still wrong |
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| 03:11.55 | nsadmin | !18 / (9/5) - 32 |
| 03:11.55 | dpkg | -22 |
| 03:12.16 | amf | How do I search for packages from another repo (etch-backports in this case)? |
| 03:12.16 | enouf | !18 * 5/9 + 32 |
| 03:12.16 | dpkg | 42 |
| 03:12.21 | enouf | nope |
| 03:12.56 | nsadmin | 18 deg f? or c? |
| 03:13.09 | enouf | Dumbass celcius ... he ranks right up there with Darwin |
| 03:13.14 | enouf | 18F |
| 03:13.26 | WormFood | is about 2C |
| 03:13.31 | enouf | no |
| 03:13.33 | WormFood | no |
| 03:13.36 | enouf | 0 == 32 |
| 03:13.40 | WormFood | yeah |
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| 03:13.48 | enouf | hon |
| 03:13.51 | WormFood | is negative something |
| 03:13.55 | WormFood | I know what -40 is |
| 03:13.58 | enouf | duh ;-) |
| 03:14.18 | enouf | !-40 * 9/5 + 32 |
| 03:14.18 | dpkg | -40 |
| 03:14.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 03:14.27 | WormFood | yep, -40 is -40 |
| 03:14.31 | WormFood | same on both scales |
| 03:15.07 | enouf | a m a z i n g . h a h h a h </Ralph Kramden> |
| 03:15.42 | enouf | "oh .. it can core A apple" ;-) |
| 03:17.55 | enouf | goes .. babydoll calls |
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| 03:26.39 | brian5555 | hello |
| 03:26.40 | Brack10 | I accidentally installed Debian without apt...how can I get it? |
| 03:27.00 | brian5555 | i am wondering how i can add a new user account to debian |
| 03:27.03 | ghostdog | apt-get install apt |
| 03:27.16 | Brack10 | apt-get command not found |
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| 03:27.19 | x1250 | ghostdog, is that a joke? :D |
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| 03:27.46 | x1250 | Brack10, how did you manage to do that? |
| 03:28.00 | abrotman | Brack10: get it from packages.debian.org and use dpkg to install it |
| 03:28.30 | abrotman | brian5555: adduser |
| 03:28.44 | Brack10 | x1250: I used cd1 of the debian installer and chose only "core" and "file server' components |
| 03:29.01 | enouf | !10 -32 * 5/9 |
| 03:29.01 | dpkg | -7.777777777778 |
| 03:29.04 | enouf | finally |
| 03:29.07 | Brack10 | x1250: what should I do next time so that this doesn't happen? |
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| 03:31.53 | \amethyst | Brack10: err |
| 03:31.53 | x1250 | Brack10, IIRC there is way to install apt, I think I read it a long time ago in a tutorial to install debian remotely using debootstrap, but I could be wrong (with the debootstrap part). It is possible though. |
| 03:32.10 | Brack10 | since I'm missing apt, does that mean I'm missing a whole lot of other stuff I need? |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | Brack10: get it from packages.debian.org and use dpkg to install it |
| 03:32.27 | \amethyst | I guess apt still isn't considered 'core'? |
| 03:32.27 | abrotman | or get it from the CD |
| 03:32.50 | Brack10 | so I have to install the GUI to get apt? |
| 03:33.05 | \amethyst | no, you can use wget to download a file on the command line |
| 03:33.07 | \amethyst | wget url |
| 03:33.07 | x1250 | Brack10, is wget there? |
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| 03:33.13 | Brack10 | yes |
| 03:33.14 | \amethyst | oh right |
| 03:33.19 | \amethyst | oh good |
| 03:33.28 | brian5555 | hey, is there a tool that updates everything that is installed? |
| 03:33.31 | brian5555 | or a command |
| 03:33.31 | \amethyst | for that matter |
| 03:33.38 | Brack10 | right I figured this much |
| 03:33.43 | x1250 | brian5555, sure, aptitude or apt-get |
| 03:33.44 | \amethyst | Brack10: it should be on the cdrom somewhere |
| 03:33.59 | Brack10 | also sudo doesn't work, only su...is it supposed to be like that? |
| 03:34.21 | \amethyst | Brack10: sudo isn't part of the core install, no |
| 03:34.24 | brian5555 | ok |
| 03:34.42 | brian5555 | i want to install proprietary nvidia drivers, but i am unsure about how to enter the command |
| 03:34.47 | \amethyst | Brack10: sudo is priority: optional in fact, so isn't part of the default install either |
| 03:35.01 | x1250 | brian5555, try # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 03:35.03 | Brack10 | why does it exist? why not just su? |
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| 03:35.18 | x1250 | brian5555, or replace full-upgrade with safe-upgrade, read the man. |
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| 03:35.38 | aoeu | do i have to have a seperate boot partition in order to use software raid? |
| 03:35.45 | \amethyst | Brack10: sudo lets you use your own password, not root's password |
| 03:36.06 | \amethyst | Brack10: and remembers that you entered a password, and won't ask for it for a period of time |
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| 03:36.22 | \amethyst | Brack10: and can be configured to let you become root without a password at all |
| 03:37.00 | Brack10 | ok I'm trying to practice my syntax for shell scripting. Please evaluate on a scale of 1-10. wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.6.46.4-0.1_i386.deb && dpkg -i apt_0.6.46.4-0.1_i386.deb |
| 03:37.06 | x1250 | \amethyst, I guess then that sudo permits a more flexible control with permissions. But thats it? |
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| 03:37.42 | \amethyst | x1250: yes, but that is a pretty big it :) |
| 03:37.56 | x1250 | \amethyst, sure :) |
| 03:38.00 | \amethyst | x1250: you can also do things like allow a user to sudo to a particular other user, but only to run a particular command |
| 03:38.01 | Brack10 | did I get it right? |
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| 03:38.22 | \amethyst | x1250: that would be a pain to implement in PAM for su, though I guess it's theoretically possible |
| 03:39.11 | \amethyst | x1250: that said, there are arguments for ssh root@localhost with a key instead of sudo |
| 03:39.17 | x1250 | Brack10, it looks good. |
| 03:39.25 | \amethyst | since ssh lets you configure the same thing with keys |
| 03:40.05 | x1250 | I haven't tried ssh keys yet, maybe I'll do that soon. |
| 03:40.26 | brian5555 | hey |
| 03:40.46 | x1250 | \amethyst, can I have a key for a dynamic ip? like for ADSL here in my laptop |
| 03:40.47 | brian5555 | i am trying to mount a hard drive, but it returns an error and says i must specify the filesystem type |
| 03:41.27 | \amethyst | x1250: yes |
| 03:41.44 | \amethyst | x1250: the key isn't tied to the machine or IP |
| 03:42.26 | x1250 | \amethyst, great then, I'll search debian docs then, It would be good to ssh without a username/password prompt. |
| 03:42.59 | Brack10 | oh ok su is way harder than sudo |
| 03:43.06 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:43.25 | \amethyst | x1250: man ssh-keygen ssh-copy-id sshd |
| 03:43.45 | brian5555 | i typed: |
| 03:43.46 | x1250 | \amethyst, thanks! |
| 03:43.54 | \amethyst | x1250: in the last one (man sshd), look for "AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT" |
| 03:43.58 | brian5555 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.04 | x1250 | ok, i'll do |
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| 03:45.19 | Brack10 | ok dpkg says I already have it installed |
| 03:45.23 | Brack10 | but when I type apt it says command not found |
| 03:45.26 | Brack10 | wtf |
| 03:46.03 | \amethyst | Brack10: 'apt' is the name of the package, 'apt-get' (and others) the name of the command |
| 03:46.30 | Brack10 | weird it didn't work I swear |
| 03:46.42 | Brack10 | oh wait maybe because I did sudo apt-get |
| 03:46.43 | Brack10 | lol |
| 03:46.50 | Brack10 | ubuntu has trained me to be stupid at linux |
| 03:46.51 | x1250 | heh |
| 03:47.41 | Brack10 | man debian runs surprisingly well on this 11 year old PC |
| 03:47.44 | \amethyst | x1250: also, ssh-agent and ssh-add so you can keep your private keys encrypted, but only have to enter the passphrase once per login |
| 03:48.04 | brian5555 | ok |
| 03:48.06 | Brack10 | like a dream, really |
| 03:48.09 | brian5555 | i want to kill conky |
| 03:48.14 | brian5555 | what do i type? |
| 03:48.18 | Brack10 | is the debian GUI less bloated than Ubuntu? |
| 03:48.32 | brian5555 | it depends what you installl |
| 03:48.48 | Brack10 | I see |
| 03:49.07 | x1250 | \amethyst, ok, reading |
| 03:49.21 | \amethyst | Brack10: you can make it as bloated as you want :) |
| 03:49.37 | Brack10 | ok now when I'm trying to install a package it tells me to insert the debian cd....but I thought I set my sources.list to point to the US mirror in the setup |
| 03:49.53 | brian5555 | can someone please tell me how to kill a program in linux? |
| 03:49.58 | x1250 | Brack10, comment out the cdrom line in sources.list |
| 03:50.41 | x1250 | I mean, comment it (comment out stands for un-comment?) -> spanish guy |
| 03:50.54 | \amethyst | x1250: comment out means to comment it |
| 03:50.58 | Brack10 | right |
| 03:51.00 | brian5555 | type "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 03:51.24 | \amethyst | x1250: so you had it right the first time |
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| 03:51.45 | brian5555 | how do i stop conky? |
| 03:51.56 | brian5555 | i have never had to stop linux program from cmd line before... |
| 03:52.12 | \amethyst | brian5555: try killall conky |
| 03:52.15 | Brack10 | I wasted so many years using wnidows....so many years |
| 03:52.40 | x1250 | haha |
| 03:53.08 | brian5555 | conky:no processes killed |
| 03:53.22 | \amethyst | brian5555: hm, then it has a different name |
| 03:54.05 | \amethyst | brian5555: does ps x | grep conky print anything? |
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| 03:54.29 | \amethyst | brian5555: other than grep conky |
| 03:54.38 | brian5555 | i theorize that conky crashed |
| 03:54.44 | brian5555 | its not updating on desktop anymore |
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| 03:54.55 | brian5555 | maybe my system is glitching... |
| 03:55.02 | \amethyst | it's probably frozen but not dead then |
| 03:55.12 | \amethyst | unless your window manager has crashed too |
| 03:55.22 | brian5555 | im still in fluxbox |
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| 03:55.45 | brian5555 | amethysy... how do i mount hard drives in debian |
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| 03:56.00 | brian5555 | i got an error when i tried to mount hdb1 "need to specify filetype" |
| 03:56.24 | Brack10 | ok so in terms of best practices, since I don't have a test environment to test patches before applying. On a server that's behind a firewall do I need to stay current on security patches on a daily basis? |
| 03:56.33 | topgun17 | How would one compuile fluxbbox on debian? |
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| 03:57.07 | brian5555 | brack10: it probably depends if you think anyone would want to hack you |
| 03:57.33 | dirkson | Hey all. What's the most recent kernel available in debian testing? |
| 03:57.59 | liable | dirkson: 2.6.26 |
| 03:58.18 | chrols | Hey, does anyone know of any guide/howto on how to load Debian supplied Common Lisp libraries, can't seem to find anything that works |
| 03:58.20 | \amethyst | Brack10: you could subscribe to debian-security-announce and upgrade when you see an advisory that affects you |
| 03:58.24 | x1250 | Brack10, it depens on what you have installed. A week ago my debian server got hacked through roundcube. My fault, because I didn't upgrade, but the "bad guys" are always there, scanning. |
| 03:58.25 | Brack10 | ok |
| 03:58.36 | force | hi is there a net-snmp equivalent debian package with snmpwalk (i've search packages.debian.org)? |
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| 03:59.02 | abrotman | force: like the snmp package ? |
| 03:59.05 | dirkson | liable: Drat. Any idea when 2.6.27 might make its way in? |
| 03:59.09 | Brack10 | ok |
| 03:59.21 | abrotman | dirkson: not til after lenny releases most likely |
| 03:59.30 | force | abrotman: oh that contains snmpwalk? nice |
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| 03:59.47 | ameyer | and I'd guess it'll be 2.28 or 2.29 that gets in |
| 03:59.48 | force | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 04:00.06 | ameyer | isn't 2.28 out and/or almost out? |
| 04:00.33 | dirkson | abrotman: Drat. My motherboard's nic requires a driver in 2.6.27 |
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| 04:01.53 | ameyer | wouldn't surprise me much if Lenny wasn't released until after Linux 2.6.35 |
| 04:01.54 | liable | dirkson: it wont for lenny |
| 04:01.56 | ameyer | ducks |
| 04:02.10 | liable | dirkson: lenny and a half will probably get 28 |
| 04:02.40 | abrotman | it'll probably get something way newer |
| 04:02.43 | dirkson | sighs |
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| 04:03.34 | ameyer | you could presumably run a kernel from Sid with Lenny userspace, especially if you don't need any proprietary BS |
| 04:03.42 | dirkson | Well, I guess I can use a pci nic. Seems a bit redundant, but whatever. |
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| 04:04.16 | ameyer | is surprised that there aren't any newer kernels in "experimental" |
| 04:05.16 | dirkson | Now- I know that the debian installer positively hates my mobo's IDE chipset. If you guys had to install debian without a cdrom, how would you do it? Links? |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | you can get to unofficial builds .. but if they don't work, you're on your own |
| 04:06.07 | ameyer | wonders if he should suggest u****u |
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| 04:06.53 | ameyer | since I'm guessing your setup's probably too new for Linux 2.6.26 to actually support half your motherboard |
| 04:07.32 | liable | dirkson: usb stick? |
| 04:07.58 | dirkson | ameyer: No, thanks. Don't much like it. The only issues I have with 2.6.26 are NIC and IDE- Everything else seems bog-standard. Since I can just plug in a secondary NIC, and say, use liable's USB stick idea to install, I don't really need the NIC or IDE thingie to work. |
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| 04:08.28 | ameyer | although if your IDE chipset isn't supported, you may have issues actually seeing and/or using your HD |
| 04:08.52 | dirkson | ameyer: The sata chipset appears to work fine. |
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| 04:09.09 | dirkson | ameyer: Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking them separate? |
| 04:09.56 | liable | no |
| 04:10.34 | ameyer | *shrug* Never had to deal with non-cooperative hardware. Closest I've come to that is Debian thinking a nvidia PCI card was my onboard Intel video. |
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| 04:11.14 | dirkson | ameyer: Perhaps it's my fault for buying such a shiny computer ^.^ |
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| 04:11.49 | ameyer | unsurprisingly, X didn't work so well. |
| 04:12.01 | ameyer | dirkson: perhaps. |
| 04:12.24 | dirkson | ameyer: Can't imagine video /would/ have worked so well : ) |
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| 04:12.44 | newsense_ps3 | got a zombie i cant kill and ive double checked the kill pkill and killll man's but still cant kill it tried sending it the SIGKILL signal, ive had this problem before and cant remember how i resolved it |
| 04:12.55 | ameyer | in hindsight, I'm somewhat surprised it didn't kernel panic when you tried to start X |
| 04:13.00 | liable | kill its parent |
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| 04:13.40 | abrotman | newsense_ps3: that's why it's called a zombie |
| 04:13.41 | mordy | which binutils package do i need in order to compile to 32 bit? |
| 04:13.44 | PeterFA | How do I get a Linux version that isn't in the repository yet installed? |
| 04:13.51 | abrotman | a what? |
| 04:13.58 | PeterFA | I want to install v2.6.28 |
| 04:14.05 | newsense_ps3 | abrotman, so nothing i can do right ? |
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| 04:14.15 | abrotman | newsense_ps3: try killing the parent |
| 04:14.20 | newsense_ps3 | maybe thats why i cant remember how i resolved it probobly never did |
| 04:14.38 | newsense_ps3 | oh ok makes perfect sense thanks |
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| 04:17.41 | newsense | abrotman, wouldnt the parent be my xterm if thats where i started the process from, actually tasksel from earlier when we were discussing it haha |
| 04:17.53 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 04:18.10 | abrotman | newsense: ps -ef .. look at the PPID |
| 04:18.15 | Steven_M | is lenny out now? |
| 04:18.36 | \amethyst | even better ps f -ef |
| 04:18.57 | abrotman | Steven_M: no |
| 04:20.20 | Steven_M | abrotman: do you no when it will be? |
| 04:20.27 | newsense | abrotman, thanks that worked perl was the parent, i think ill read more into processes and how the whole parent child thing works i figured the parent would obviously be the shell i started it from |
| 04:20.29 | Steven_M | no=know |
| 04:20.34 | abrotman | Steven_M: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 04:20.43 | newsense | shows how much i know :) |
| 04:20.55 | abrotman | Steven_M: /topic .. also |
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| 04:21.53 | n08l3J | Hello Everyone |
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| 04:22.05 | n08l3J | i am trying to install my custom kernel on debian etch distro |
| 04:22.28 | n08l3J | i have a question regarding mkinitrd |
| 04:23.07 | n08l3J | what does the file created by mkinitrd do ? |
| 04:23.08 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 04:24.22 | n08l3J | clear |
| 04:24.35 | \amethyst | n08l3J: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initrd |
| 04:24.44 | Steven_M | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 04:26.18 | n08l3J | mkinitrd [OPTION]... <-o outfile> [version] |
| 04:26.18 | n08l3J | what is version in the above command ? |
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| 04:26.38 | \amethyst | n08l3J: which kernel version you want to build it for |
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| 04:27.00 | \amethyst | n08l3J: what version of debian are you using? |
| 04:27.07 | n08l3J | oh so for 2.6.24 it will be mkinitrd -o my-custum file 2.6.24 |
| 04:27.19 | n08l3J | I am using 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 04:27.20 | rjent_ | Greetings, I am looking for a good soho tape drive and I would like to write backup scripts with tar. Any ideas? |
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| 04:28.28 | topgun17 | how does onwe increase the fontsize wit inan xterm window? |
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| 04:28.47 | newsense | i installed apt-listchanges and it hasnt mentioned a thing about any changes and ive updated more than 10 packages since ive installed it |
| 04:29.08 | newsense | and i get no email either |
| 04:29.26 | newsense | is the package broken or something ? |
| 04:29.57 | \amethyst | newsense: how have you updated them? |
| 04:30.07 | newsense | ahhh ha |
| 04:30.08 | n08l3J | \amethyst, is the version parameter is known by mkinitrd ? or it is just another variable whose links are generated in the output file by mkinitrd |
| 04:30.10 | newsense | aptitude |
| 04:30.16 | newsense | dammit |
| 04:30.21 | \amethyst | newsense: hm, should work |
| 04:30.45 | newsense | i thought so but the way you said that i thought you were going to say it wouldnt |
| 04:31.01 | \amethyst | n08l3J: not sure |
| 04:31.09 | newsense | i even reconfigured it by enouf's advice i believe |
| 04:31.29 | \amethyst | newsense: well, if you had been using synaptic then I would have said it probably wouldn't work :) |
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| 04:31.42 | newsense | i dont use that eww |
| 04:31.54 | newsense | just aptitude |
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| 04:35.30 | n08l3J | thanks |
| 04:35.37 | PeterFA | So, any recommendations on getting Linux 2.6.28 on Debian Lenny? |
| 04:35.51 | PeterFA | I tried this libre kernel but it didn't boot. |
| 04:37.15 | Steven_M | abrotman: sorry I misunderstood one of the commands in the topic earlier. |
| 04:37.25 | gewt | mmm |
| 04:37.39 | gewt | i want 2.6.28 on etch |
| 04:37.57 | gewt | compiles from source? |
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| 04:41.10 | topgun17 | Is their a port of pine for debian? |
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| 04:42.58 | gewt | alpine |
| 04:43.07 | newsense | linux uses alpine :) |
| 04:43.17 | newsense | he said it in an interview |
| 04:43.21 | Gm4n | alpine is the default root password on iphones, too |
| 04:43.32 | newsense | haha |
| 04:43.34 | newsense | really |
| 04:43.40 | Gm4n | sure thing |
| 04:43.42 | _2 | wicd seems to be throwing some errors my way. http://pastebin.com/f1f724e19 |
| 04:43.42 | Brack10 | can anyone provide a good link for how to setup an sshd? |
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| 04:43.53 | Gm4n | Brack10: besides apt-get install ssh? |
| 04:44.22 | Brack10 | Gm4n: there has to be more to it than just that |
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| 04:44.32 | JordiGH | Does the same netinstall work on CD or USB? |
| 04:44.33 | Gm4n | well, what more setting up do you want to do? |
| 04:44.33 | _2 | Brack10 why ? |
| 04:44.39 | Brack10 | because this is linux |
| 04:44.41 | Gm4n | haha |
| 04:44.42 | JordiGH | That is, from CD or USB? |
| 04:44.58 | Gm4n | sorry to break it to you, but linux doesn't have to be hard |
| 04:45.15 | Brack10 | wow it works |
| 04:45.15 | _2 | Brack10 well if you want you can then edit /etc/ssh/sshd* and restart sshd |
| 04:45.30 | Gm4n | if you're logged in graphically, you can even use graphical package manager for it |
| 04:45.39 | Brack10 | I cannot believe how easy this has been |
| 04:46.09 | Brack10 | I've only had my box up for an hour or so and I've already got ALSA and mplayer working, now ssh. |
| 04:46.11 | Brack10 | sweet |
| 04:46.23 | _2 | Brack10 yes, too easy leaves the ominus feeling of multiple backdoors and rootkits doesn't it. |
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| 04:46.47 | Brack10 | I wouldn't say too easy |
| 04:46.51 | joanes1 | I am using debian 4 R5 |
| 04:46.52 | Brack10 | it's just hard enough |
| 04:47.08 | joanes1 | Will I be able to install the latest version of vlc ? 0.9.6 |
| 04:47.11 | Brack10 | but on that subject, how secure is the default ssh install? |
| 04:47.19 | joanes1 | The current version I have is 0.8.6 |
| 04:47.34 | _2 | Brack10 only as secure as the user accounts |
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| 04:48.27 | Brack10 | _2 how bout the security of the packets themselves? |
| 04:48.35 | PeterFA | Ugh, how does one uninstall a package when he used the .deb with dpkg? |
| 04:48.42 | PeterFA | I can't figure out how to do it. |
| 04:49.24 | _2 | Brack10 well pretty secure in that reguard, but i would also suggest editing the sshd.conf and setting only the specific users you want to login |
| 04:50.00 | _2 | PeterFA trolling are we ? dpkg -P packagename |
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| 04:50.55 | x1250 | Brack10, you could change the sshd port also, it will avoid some scanning. |
| 04:51.02 | Winnipeg_Guy | ack... I don't know what happened. I updated the kernel today with lenny updates and now I can't connect via wirelss. |
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| 04:51.15 | dustybin | newsense: this is how ive setup monit: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/Picture%201.png |
| 04:51.23 | dustybin | its pretty dam good |
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| 04:51.45 | frustrated45 | hello guys |
| 04:52.38 | frustrated45 | one question, I having troubles with apt-get it seems to ignore my cdrom source... when i do apt-get update i got a Ing before the cdrom line.... is there a way to enable this? |
| 04:52.49 | Gm4n | Brack10: the packets themselves are perfectly secure |
| 04:52.54 | newsense | dustybin, man that looks sweet how long did it take ya if ya dont mind me asking ? |
| 04:53.09 | Gm4n | again, assuming your users aren't being stupid |
| 04:53.12 | force | dustybin: thanks that is exactly what i need :) |
| 04:53.13 | Winnipeg_Guy | Can I downgrade the kernel? To what it was this morning? |
| 04:53.23 | _2 | frustrated45 it's supposed to ignore it. if you want to add local cdrom sources use apt-cdrom |
| 04:53.39 | dustybin | newsense: not long at all, i have a problem when starting up a custom compiled program what uses /usr/local/bin |
| 04:53.48 | dustybin | but apart from that it works ace |
| 04:54.04 | frustrated45 | _2: I already ran apt-cdrom add, it just included the cdrom line in my source.list |
| 04:54.24 | newsense | i was going to install it earlier than got tied up playing playstation :) |
| 04:54.45 | dustybin | heh, the gui is nice and minimal, not ugly like nagios |
| 04:54.50 | dustybin | and its much easier to setup |
| 04:54.56 | dustybin | its ideal for home users |
| 04:55.14 | _2 | frustrated45 not "just included the cdrom line in my source.list" but also read in the package database from the cdrom. that doesn't need updated seeing that cdroms don't change (the general assumption) |
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| 04:56.02 | _2 | frustrated45 what is your real question ? |
| 04:56.31 | frustrated45 | _2: hmm yes, but still I got packet not found... right now every line in my source.list is commented out... what should i do from here? cdrom is unmonted |
| 04:56.39 | frustrated45 | _2: should I ran apt-cdrom add ? |
| 04:56.42 | r3m | Hi, nforce2 and earlier version of nforce have a problem with switchbox I would like to unload the i2c_nforce2 and i2c_core module. Is it dangerous? And what is the command please? |
| 04:56.55 | _2 | frustrated45 yse |
| 04:56.59 | newsense | anyone got any ideas on the problem i stated earlier with apt-listchanges not listing any changes or emailing me when i upgrade ? |
| 04:57.05 | frustrated45 | _2: no need to mount the cdrom? |
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| 04:57.09 | _2 | frustrated45 no |
| 04:57.25 | frustrated45 | _2: ok, just one second |
| 04:57.30 | _2 | that assumes that the mountpoint is already defined in the fstab |
| 04:57.52 | frustrated45 | _2: it says please insert a disk in the driver and press enter... disk is there already, pressing enter... |
| 04:57.59 | _2 | if it's not. then man apt-cdrom and specify the device/mountpoint |
| 04:58.19 | _2 | frustrated45 so press enter |
| 04:59.22 | frustrated45 | _2: done, so far so good, it looks ok |
| 04:59.32 | frustrated45 | so, apt-get install packet right? |
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| 04:59.47 | _2 | packet ? package yes |
| 05:00.19 | _2 | packet generally refers to a segment of data transversing a network |
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| 05:00.30 | frustrated45 | _2: Could not find package.... cdrom was not mounted... nothing seems to happened |
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| 05:01.33 | _2 | apt-cdrom ident |
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| 05:02.02 | frustrated45 | _2: now it works... so it's apt-cdrom? instead of apt-get... |
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| 05:02.45 | _2 | now aptitude install --reinstall bash |
| 05:03.03 | frustrated45 | _2: nop, sorry, i read bad...apt-cdrom ident identify the mount point and everything |
| 05:03.20 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.29 | _2 | or hose the system one or tother |
| 05:03.43 | JordiGH | So I download boot.img |
| 05:03.46 | JordiGH | And file(1) says it's |
| 05:03.55 | JordiGH | boot.img: x86 boot sector |
| 05:04.00 | JordiGH | Will that work on a USB pendrive? |
| 05:04.03 | JordiGH | ONE WAY TO FIND OUT |
| 05:04.19 | frustrated45 | _2: it says couldn't not find any packages |
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| 05:04.57 | _2 | hmmm pastebin your grep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:05.00 | frustrated45 | _2: could not generate package to download |
| 05:05.17 | r3m | Hi, ive choose the wrong network card when i was installing debian, is there a way to be re-asking for it? |
| 05:05.40 | frustrated45 | _2: i'm from console... but there's only the cdrom entry |
| 05:05.54 | _2 | !pastebinit |
| 05:05.54 | dpkg | pastebinit is, like, a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; specially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 05:06.05 | frustrated45 | _2: second |
| 05:06.27 | _2 | of course if it's not already installed that's failure loop |
| 05:06.34 | PeterFA | How do I get the config file for Lenny's kernel configuration? |
| 05:07.33 | dmoerner | PeterFA: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 05:07.59 | frustrated45 | _2: deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081029.5)]/ intrepid main restricted |
| 05:08.12 | frustrated45 | _2: yes... this is ubuntu... sorry to ask here... but they banned me from there :( |
| 05:08.25 | dmoerner | frustrated45: that is not the way to ask for help. |
| 05:08.45 | _2 | then maybe /join #ubuntu-ops and pleed your case with them. |
| 05:09.11 | frustrated45 | dmoerner: can't find anything on google well just people with same problems |
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| 05:09.26 | _2 | frustrated45 also you can ask in #kubuntu or #xubuntu |
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| 05:09.46 | frustrated45 | _2: i don't like ubuntu that much... i'm forced to install it... (work issues) |
| 05:10.03 | _2 | </shrugs> |
| 05:10.13 | PeterFA | Now I'll need to make an initramfs a la Debian Lenny style. |
| 05:10.19 | frustrated45 | _2: but i will try those channels... thanks |
| 05:10.21 | PeterFA | How do I find out how to do that? |
| 05:10.43 | _2 | man mkinitramfs |
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| 05:14.01 | _2 | i don't much care for ubuntu either, but i did like the friendly atmosphear in #kubuntu until it went to smack somewhere between the fish and the goat |
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| 05:17.04 | force | dustybin: would you mind doing a pastebin of your monit config? |
| 05:18.07 | x1250 | the ubuntu guys (comminity) does good job getting people out of windows. Thats nice. Good support for newbies, and friendly guys. I like that a lot. |
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| 05:20.31 | nsadmin | smack? fish? goat?? what do you mean? :) |
| 05:20.39 | _2 | x1250 right. but like that statement ^ in any of the *buntu channels even as slow as this one is right now would get a repromand form the ops via the bot (ubottu tell x1250 about offtopic) |
| 05:21.07 | _2 | nsadmin selcome back. you kinda disapeared on my yesterday didn't ya :))) |
| 05:21.11 | _2 | welcome |
| 05:21.53 | nsadmin | yesterday? oh, I had class... or maybe I'll take that particular class... |
| 05:22.09 | _2 | nsadmin hardy haron intrepid ibex os was the former a bird ? |
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| 05:22.27 | _2 | s=os=or= |
| 05:22.31 | nsadmin | hardy herring? |
| 05:22.34 | _2 | i can't type streight today |
| 05:22.53 | nsadmin | seems fishy to me too :P |
| 05:22.58 | _2 | :) |
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| 05:23.47 | oOarthurOo | Hey... all of a sudden I can't connect via wireless. I'm connected via ethernet at the moment. |
| 05:24.02 | _2 | nsadmin so do we give up on installing grub on my partitionless hdd ? |
| 05:24.19 | oOarthurOo | My wpa_action log is full of this message: Failed to initiate AP scan. |
| 05:24.45 | oOarthurOo | Some updates were installed today, the most significant of which was the new kernel I suppose. |
| 05:25.18 | dirkson | BWAHAHAHA! |
| 05:25.27 | _2 | so boot the older kernel and see if that's the culpret |
| 05:25.29 | dirkson | I LOVE YOU. I LOVE YOU ALL. I have a useful computer again. ^.^ |
| 05:25.41 | oOarthurOo | _2: What older kernel? |
| 05:25.46 | dirkson | may have been slightly unhappy with his old operating system |
| 05:25.55 | nsadmin | _2: I think the root () has to be the drive/partition where the files live (stage1, stage2) |
| 05:26.03 | nsadmin | then it should work |
| 05:26.17 | _2 | nsadmin but i don't have a partition |
| 05:26.24 | _2 | catch 22 |
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| 05:27.00 | nsadmin | but what you have is mounted |
| 05:27.01 | _2 | oOarthurOo oh, you are saying the kernel update was not a version/sub-version change ? |
| 05:27.08 | _2 | nsadmin yes |
| 05:27.24 | nsadmin | and that mount has the files? |
| 05:27.34 | _2 | sure |
| 05:27.45 | nsadmin | if you look in /boot/grub you see stage1 and stage2? |
| 05:28.11 | _2 | not yet. not installed yet. have to "grub-install" or some such to put them there. |
| 05:28.31 | nsadmin | we could try one more thing... |
| 05:28.58 | nsadmin | first is df / the same as df /boot? |
| 05:29.18 | _2 | yes |
| 05:29.22 | oOarthurOo | http://pastebin.com/d3ccc596 this is my update log |
| 05:29.37 | _2 | there is only one fs on my hdd /dev/sda == ext2 |
| 05:29.39 | nsadmin | ok, and that is the partitionless drive? |
| 05:29.52 | _2 | answered ^ |
| 05:29.54 | _2 | yes |
| 05:30.13 | nsadmin | ok, does there exist /boot/grub? |
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| 05:30.44 | _2 | yes just installed the files there with grub-install the stage* files are there |
| 05:31.23 | nsadmin | ok... |
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| 05:31.45 | nsadmin | so now that they're there, you could try getting into the grub shell |
| 05:31.57 | Assid | hi, how do i find a file "s" , not files that contain the character "s" an exact match |
| 05:32.02 | _2 | in it |
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| 05:32.23 | nsadmin | root (hd0) |
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| 05:32.36 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.40 | nsadmin | this one, hold off on hitting enter: |
| 05:32.48 | _2 | ok |
| 05:32.48 | nsadmin | unknown? |
| 05:32.56 | _2 | that's what it returns. |
| 05:33.01 | nsadmin | ok |
| 05:33.38 | nsadmin | so if you type install /boo <tab> |
| 05:33.45 | nsadmin | (no enter yet) |
| 05:33.55 | nsadmin | does it complete to /boot? |
| 05:33.57 | _2 | Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition |
| 05:34.11 | _2 | that's what the tab char returns |
| 05:34.38 | nsadmin | aha, so when it said unknown fs type, it really doesn't know it's ext2 |
| 05:34.40 | _2 | as many times as i hit tab it returns same error 17 |
| 05:35.28 | nsadmin | so it's not able to access the volume because it's (stubbornly) not seeing what it is |
| 05:35.41 | _2 | that's right |
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| 05:36.09 | _2 | counts that a "weakness" |
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| 05:36.27 | nsadmin | yeah, ok, so that's weak |
| 05:36.35 | _2 | :) |
| 05:36.54 | _2 | anyway is there a way to tell it the fs type on the root line ? |
| 05:36.59 | nsadmin | maybe |
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| 05:38.41 | _2 | help root doesn't mention anything |
| 05:38.53 | DJCiP | ok - so i have apache setup to use port 80 for hosting a website - but how do i set it up with virutalhosts to be a webdav too ? |
| 05:39.07 | keith_ | you ask #apache |
| 05:39.10 | DJCiP | ok |
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| 05:40.29 | kingsley | I'm considering replacing alsa with jack to give sound to vnc, but I'm concerned that some of my audio applications may be incompatible with jack. Is there a way to tell in advance? |
| 05:41.59 | nsadmin | it's sorta cheating for grub to have to look at the partition table... |
| 05:42.24 | _2 | nsadmin heh it's weak that way :) |
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| 05:43.57 | shiloh7 | good evening |
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| 05:44.17 | _2 | resorts to viki-a-la-ad-hominyd |
| 05:44.36 | shiloh7 | i migrated from ubuntu to debian, how do i run the deb package installer on debian |
| 05:44.48 | nsadmin | kingsley: start by having alsa and jack coexist |
| 05:45.00 | _2 | shiloh7 same way you did in ubuntu |
| 05:45.13 | nsadmin | same as on ubuntu: dpkg --help |
| 05:45.20 | shiloh7 | _2, i tried sudo-apt get |
| 05:45.30 | shiloh7 | and wouldnt give me permission |
| 05:45.33 | nsadmin | try sudo apt-get :) |
| 05:45.41 | nsadmin | why? |
| 05:45.42 | _2 | and it said bash: sudo-apt: command not found |
| 05:46.02 | shiloh7 | no i just did a typo |
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| 05:46.07 | Laeborg | hi |
| 05:46.13 | shiloh7 | sudo apt-get |
| 05:46.18 | shiloh7 | is what i did do |
| 05:46.23 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m7dc7c229 - can anybody here help me out ? |
| 05:46.24 | _2 | and it said ? |
| 05:46.29 | hark | shiloh7: /msg dpkg sudoers ; /msg dpkg visudo |
| 05:46.33 | shiloh7 | i didnt have user permissions |
| 05:46.52 | nsadmin | you're not a suerdoer? |
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| 05:46.59 | _2 | shiloh7 for testing sudo i have found this command useful; sudo echo boo |
| 05:47.00 | shiloh7 | apparently |
| 05:47.21 | _2 | if you get a boo out of it, you can usdo. |
| 05:48.13 | Laeborg | typedef BOOST_DEDUCED_TYPENAME C::const_iterator type; -- is there anything wrong with that ? |
| 05:48.14 | shiloh7 | no boo |
| 05:48.26 | _2 | ok. so if you can't sudo then login or su - to root |
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| 05:48.52 | shiloh7 | oks done |
| 05:48.59 | _2 | now apt will work |
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| 05:49.25 | shiloh7 | _2 will i have user permission issues if i do it this way? |
| 05:49.43 | _2 | try it and see |
| 05:49.46 | nsadmin | Laeborg I think you have to do something like typedef <existingtype> <newtypename> |
| 05:50.17 | _2 | nsadmin so are we finsihed trying to install grub here ? |
| 05:50.19 | Laeborg | the filename is const_iterator.hpp |
| 05:50.33 | shiloh7 | yup its working, cool, hmmmm, how do i set my user with sudo, i must have not did that right |
| 05:50.50 | dirkson | What's the debian tool for adjusting which programs start up when the OS does? I can never remember it. |
| 05:50.51 | shiloh7 | i did sudo passwd |
| 05:50.53 | nsadmin | _2: probably... but I think this is a bug and I want to see what #grub has to say about it |
| 05:51.11 | nsadmin | I don't think they want to fix legacy grub... but who knows |
| 05:51.38 | _2 | shiloh7 you can look into man sudoers probably just adding your normal user to a group (admin maybe) will give you permission. |
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| 05:52.14 | _2 | shiloh7 there are good docs on the web about setting up a custom /etc/sudoers file if you want to do it right. |
| 05:52.24 | nbeebo_ | any way to see what you have installed since fresh install? |
| 05:52.36 | _2 | nsadmin then i'll wait on you a bit. |
| 05:52.44 | Laeborg | nsadmin: this is the error i get: ./boost/range/const_iterator.hpp: In instantiation of âboost::range_const_iterator<const char*>â: |
| 05:53.15 | _2 | nbeebo_ less /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 05:54.03 | _2 | nbeebo_ if it's been long you may have gzip'd backups of the origenal log too |
| 05:55.48 | shiloh7 | _2, ty very much, the forum has also been fantastic for me, thats why i switched to debian, to learn more and enjoy it more |
| 05:56.49 | nbeebo_ | _2 thanks.. it been 2 hours :S lol |
| 05:57.40 | _2 | grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log | grep -ve '-installed' | cut -c'28-' |
| 05:57.50 | _2 | shortened list ^ |
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| 05:58.22 | _2 | you can drop the last pipe to see the timestamps |
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| 05:59.12 | hark | dirkson: /msg dpkg services |
| 05:59.37 | _2 | actually i kinda like this output grep installed /var/log/dpkg.log | grep -ve '-installed' | sed 's= status installed==g |
| 05:59.41 | _2 | ' |
| 05:59.44 | _2 | ooops |
| 06:00.08 | _2 | i think i'll script that one. |
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| 06:00.29 | anu | hi, i am writing in C++ . ? any tool can record all the behaviors of variables , function , objects ; and ... output a record-file for that ? |
| 06:01.19 | cydork | anu, or you can learn gdb.. |
| 06:02.01 | anu | i just want to analysis the whole :) |
| 06:02.44 | anu | it will be less productive if i use command step by step ^^ |
| 06:03.40 | cydork | cydork, i still think gdb can help you.. |
| 06:04.03 | cydork | and i should go and have a coffee so i stop talking to my self... |
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| 06:05.57 | _2 | :) |
| 06:06.38 | _2 | "but where are the clowns, there really ought to be clowns..." |
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| 06:08.23 | shiloh7 | lol |
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| 06:09.17 | shiloh7 | _2, did you also know that all the rockwell software, compumoter, etc, is perfect on this distro? |
| 06:09.45 | nbeebo_ | any way to see what you have installed since fresh install? the less thing showed libs and all other wierd stuff... |
| 06:11.45 | amitz | anybody experience a slowdown of X session over vnc when the server use wireless madwifi while that server is downloading stuff from internet? |
| 06:11.50 | amitz | in debian lenny |
| 06:11.59 | amitz | but not in debian etch |
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| 06:20.17 | anu | OK , who can suggest me Best Debugging tools for C++ |
| 06:20.19 | _2 | shiloh7 ? perfect ? you mean doesn't work without propriatary drivers ? |
| 06:20.22 | anu | ^^ |
| 06:21.14 | _2 | gdb = gnu gcc debugger is it? |
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| 06:22.29 | hoxu | anu, learn to use gdb |
| 06:23.36 | anu | is intel's tool best for debugging ? |
| 06:23.54 | anu | hoxu , thank you ^^ i am just curious |
| 06:23.55 | _2 | i have two error, first is installing wicd, second is purging a removed but configured package http://pastebin.com/f2c57247e |
| 06:25.20 | _2 | why is there no verbose switch on dpkg ? |
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| 06:25.55 | nbeebo_ | how can u find out what programs u have installed since fresh install? |
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| 06:26.57 | newsense | nbeebo, i dunno i use debfoster it handles things like that |
| 06:27.01 | _2 | well i removed the -e in the postrm script and the purge went through. |
| 06:27.32 | newsense | nbeebo, i type debfoster -a and i got a list of manually installed packages |
| 06:27.47 | _2 | nbeebo_ what's wrong with looking at the log file ? |
| 06:28.05 | hoxu | anu, your question is pretty vague, but strace can be useful too |
| 06:28.15 | newsense | _2, that would be the hard way why make things harder ? |
| 06:28.17 | nbeebo_ | says all installed libs etc, and program that i have installed then unintalled also.. |
| 06:28.39 | _2 | newsense for a two hour old install ? |
| 06:29.00 | newsense | wtf if its a 2 hour old install use you ^&*&^& memory |
| 06:29.24 | _2 | newsense that's where he is. |
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| 06:29.38 | nbeebo_ | ehm |
| 06:29.39 | newsense | i can remember what ive installed in the last 3 months |
| 06:29.51 | bony | my system got slow. It takes 5 to 10 sec and more to even open a terminal its the same case with iceweasel, evolution, pidgin, xchat, OpenOffice, inkscape, gimp and may other app's even the gnome games take a lot of time to open up. my laptop is a dell ispiron 6000 with 512 MB ram and 1.6GHz of processor it has debian sid with 2.6.26-1-686 kernel, the file system is xfs. |
| 06:29.52 | nbeebo_ | i guess that would be the same |
| 06:29.56 | newsense | sorry didnt mean to come off as ignorant |
| 06:29.59 | nbeebo_ | anyway, i know theres an easy command |
| 06:30.23 | newsense | debfoster will do that i told ya |
| 06:30.29 | newsense | read up on it |
| 06:30.29 | bony | at times it take more than 5 min to open the browser |
| 06:30.33 | nbeebo_ | woot missed it thanks |
| 06:31.21 | newsense | nbeebo, when ya run it itll go through the packages you installed manually and ask if you want to keep them and tell you the depends |
| 06:31.24 | warre02781 | i have a machine with almost the same stats but more memory |
| 06:31.32 | warre02781 | fasta as heck |
| 06:31.42 | nbeebo_ | well... good enough for this moment |
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| 06:31.46 | newsense | nbeebo, than you can run debfoster -a and see the list when you want |
| 06:32.12 | newsense | and when you remove a package itll pull its depends that were installed with it too |
| 06:32.15 | _2 | newsense doesn't do what he asked. but does seem to do what he actually wanted. |
| 06:32.38 | newsense | _2, than ive done my job :) |
| 06:32.43 | _2 | makes note to self. people seldom ever say what they really mean in irc |
| 06:32.52 | newsense | yeah ive learned that |
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| 06:33.44 | _2 | nsadmin any developements ? or do i just drop it for now ? |
| 06:33.47 | nbeebo_ | debfoster shows pidgin network manager etc also... |
| 06:33.57 | newsense | first thing i install is debfoster and deborphan i hate a dirty system |
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| 06:34.22 | newsense | nbeebo, you installed those apps didnt you ? |
| 06:34.37 | nbeebo_ | no no no |
| 06:34.47 | nbeebo_ | it is ubuntu |
| 06:34.59 | nsadmin | oh, got someone to respond |
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| 06:36.07 | _2 | there is something in my urpmi command that waits for a network timeout i need to edit that.... |
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| 06:37.16 | newsense | zsh ? |
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| 06:39.02 | nsadmin | _2: what happens if you don't issue the root command and you get into grub shell and type install /boo <tab> |
| 06:39.49 | _2 | testing. sec. |
| 06:40.05 | _2 | Error 12: Invalid device requested |
| 06:40.19 | nsadmin | so it wants the device |
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| 06:40.26 | _2 | seems to |
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| 06:41.58 | penrod[2] | I have built a custom kernel for a Debian distribution ( 2.6.28) and it doesn't have semaphore support built in, where would I have missed this question ? |
| 06:42.20 | nbeebo_ | how can u find out what programs u have installed since fresh install? using ubuntu and i know theres a really good command that does the job.. |
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| 06:42.44 | newsense | nbeebo, just go ask in #ubuntu already |
| 06:43.04 | nbeebo_ | banned |
| 06:43.11 | nbeebo_ | already already |
| 06:43.18 | newsense | oh well install debian than come back and ask again |
| 06:43.24 | nbeebo_ | also, about 10 peiople have joined lately |
| 06:43.37 | nbeebo_ | its about deb packages |
| 06:43.44 | newsense | so |
| 06:44.20 | newsense | !ubuntu |
| 06:44.20 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 06:45.06 | nbeebo_ | ok, im using debian now |
| 06:45.09 | newsense | can we change the factoid to include this () Even if the channel happens to be less helpful (or they banned you) |
| 06:45.18 | newsense | haha |
| 06:45.27 | nbeebo_ | ur really wierd |
| 06:45.29 | nbeebo_ | in a bad way |
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| 06:47.17 | cahoot | nbeebo: try #ubuntu-se - you'd have to be really persistent to get banned from there |
| 06:47.31 | _2 | nbeebo_ learn to filter things through grep less cut head/tail and so forth. then scan your log file |
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| 06:48.23 | nbeebo_ | yes that would be good, but its complicated to do waht i want in that way |
| 06:48.24 | nbeebo_ | what* |
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| 06:50.35 | buu | So, I installed a package, it has some issues even installing, in terms of running the installation scripts, now I'm trying to remove it, and it complains about a similar error (initscript nginx, action "stop" failed. dpkg: error processing nginx (--purge): ) and so on, and ends up not installing. |
| 06:50.40 | buu | Rather, it ends up not removing. |
| 06:51.44 | _2 | buu maybe remove the -e at the start of the .postrm script |
| 06:52.02 | _2 | ot use --force |
| 06:52.07 | _2 | or |
| 06:52.28 | buu | --force is not understood. |
| 06:52.31 | buu | Where would I find the .postrm? |
| 06:52.58 | hoxu | buu, /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 06:53.35 | _2 | man dpkg and you will understand --force |
| 06:53.42 | hoxu | buu, also check the bts and make a report unless there's one already (assuming you didn't mess up things;) |
| 06:54.34 | _2 | assuming it's actually debian and not ubuntu, also assuming that the package is built for the verions of os you are running |
| 06:55.07 | buu | It is debian. |
| 06:55.16 | _2 | s=verions=version= |
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| 06:56.41 | _2 | nsadmin my time is getting away, we'll have to continue another day. |
| 06:57.16 | _2 | or you could just say "grub is too weak to boot that system" and i'll drop it :))) |
| 06:57.30 | Agiofws | Hello |
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| 07:00.44 | Ganraj | i am trying to connect to my home system (linux ) but i am not able to connect but i can see log that ohter apeople try to ssh login /system say ssh login fail that mean they are able to acess it i |
| 07:01.14 | buu | _2: I'm attempting to use dpkg -r --force-all package; and it's repeating the same error as with apt-get |
| 07:01.19 | buu | And still not going away. |
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| 07:01.35 | hoxu | buu, what error? |
| 07:01.47 | buu | Stopping nginx: invoke-rc.d: initscript nginx, action "stop" failed. |
| 07:02.05 | buu | Then it complains about 'sub-process' returned 1 and so forth. |
| 07:02.11 | hoxu | Ganraj, check syslog, use ssh -v, -vv, -vvv or whatever from client side... you can also run the sshd in debug mode |
| 07:02.24 | hoxu | !debug sshd |
| 07:02.24 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 07:02.40 | _2 | buu : > /etc/init.d/nginx |
| 07:02.43 | _2 | and retry |
| 07:02.48 | penrod[2] | greetings, would semaphore support be in the kernel or a debian package ? |
| 07:02.51 | Ganraj | i am using putty on windows |
| 07:02.52 | newsense | Ganraj, set shh up to only accept connections you want to allow than or instal fail2ban |
| 07:02.54 | _2 | it can't kill what isn't running. |
| 07:03.16 | buu | _2: No change. |
| 07:03.24 | buu | How do I make it go away? |
| 07:03.27 | _2 | use the tab key to make sure the filename is correct |
| 07:03.28 | buu | I mean, the package. |
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| 07:04.21 | buu | _2: Shouldn't --force-all make it go away? |
| 07:04.28 | _2 | it should |
| 07:04.46 | _2 | you ran it twice to see if the first one worked ? |
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| 07:04.55 | buu | _2: I've run it about 12 times |
| 07:05.04 | buu | In various ways. |
| 07:05.10 | _2 | with --force-all i mean |
| 07:05.30 | _2 | dpkg -P --force-all nginx |
| 07:05.30 | dpkg | _2: I give up, what is it? |
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| 07:05.42 | _2 | heh. bot got in the way. |
| 07:05.53 | buu | _2: No change =/ |
| 07:05.57 | buu | And yes I'm running it with sudo |
| 07:05.59 | amol_ | hi to all ,how to read or write kernel log buffer |
| 07:06.00 | buu | And so on. |
| 07:06.09 | AbsintheSyringe | I got this invitation to beta test quake live, now the problems is that it requires firefox, how do I set iceweasel to identify as firefox? about:config > general.useragent.extra.firefox > change Iceweasel/3.0.5 to Firefox/3.0.5 doesn't help ... anyone? |
| 07:06.23 | buu | AbsintheSyringe: That's really funny. |
| 07:06.31 | AbsintheSyringe | bush, what's funny? |
| 07:06.31 | _2 | so edit the prerm or postrm script that is hanging and remove the -e like i said |
| 07:06.41 | AbsintheSyringe | bush, sorry :) |
| 07:06.46 | AbsintheSyringe | buu, what's funny :) |
| 07:06.48 | _2 | which ever is hanging it. you are the one looking at the messagees |
| 07:06.57 | buu | _2: I see a 'set -e', is that what you're talking about? |
| 07:07.09 | _2 | yes |
| 07:07.13 | _2 | comment it out |
| 07:07.27 | newsense | AbsintheSyringe, user agent switcher |
| 07:07.32 | newsense | firefox plugin |
| 07:07.55 | AbsintheSyringe | newsense, hm, let me try |
| 07:08.10 | newsense | its nice ive used it in the past for things like that |
| 07:08.16 | buu | _2: No change I'm afraid. I commented it out in every nginx. file I could find. |
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| 07:08.58 | _2 | buu run dpkg -P --force-all nginx and pastebin the output. |
| 07:09.37 | Ace2016_- | can someone recommend an image viewer that shows lots of image formats |
| 07:09.56 | Ace2016_- | something light and fast with only the option to zoom and possibly to execute an image editor |
| 07:10.00 | _2 | which will also run in console mode ^ |
| 07:10.02 | buu | _2: http://erxz.com/pb/14883 |
| 07:10.23 | buu | _2: FRom the command: $ sudo dpkg -P --force-all nginx &> out |
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| 07:11.05 | AbsintheSyringe | newsense, nope it doesn't help |
| 07:11.18 | hoxu | buu, what does "dpkg -l libc6 |tail -n 1" say? |
| 07:11.19 | newsense | sorry :( |
| 07:11.29 | buu | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:11.40 | _2 | buu ( rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/nginx.prerm && dpkg -P nginx ) |
| 07:12.00 | _2 | run as root that command, and call me in the morning. |
| 07:12.11 | AbsintheSyringe | I'm really going to leave Iceweasel for good right now |
| 07:12.50 | AbsintheSyringe | 3.1 firefox looks interesting either way |
| 07:13.04 | buu | _2: Purging configuration files for nginx ... |
| 07:13.05 | buu | dpkg - warning: while removing nginx, directory `/var/lib/nginx' not empty so not remo |
| 07:13.05 | dpkg | buu: You are moron #24 |
| 07:13.10 | buu | rolls eyes |
| 07:13.37 | _2 | that's not an error. |
| 07:14.00 | hoxu | buu, afaik, there is no bugreport of that, so you could make one |
| 07:14.05 | buu | _2: Ok, so it seems to remove everything, and dpkg -L nginx shows me nothing, but dpkg -l nginx shows me pn nginx <none>, is there any way to remove it from that listing? |
| 07:14.35 | _2 | pn ? |
| 07:14.51 | buu | _2: Those are the first two characters, the status line I assume. |
| 07:14.52 | _2 | looks up pn to see what that means |
| 07:15.43 | buu | Also, I wonder why my wget is -rwx------ |
| 07:16.08 | hoxu | buu, someone changed it so |
| 07:16.13 | buu | Very odd. |
| 07:16.14 | _2 | buu apt-get install -f run cleanly ? |
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| 07:16.26 | buu | _2: Yup. |
| 07:16.38 | _2 | then ignore the pn |
| 07:16.47 | _2 | it's harmless |
| 07:16.57 | buu | =[ |
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| 07:17.56 | hoxu | buu, uh, you get that if you try to list a package that is not installed or was purged, it's not shown on "dpkg -l", see for yourself |
| 07:18.23 | buu | hoxu: Oh, I see. |
| 07:18.37 | buu | That seems odd but I guess I understand what is happening. |
| 07:19.10 | hoxu | also, if you remove prerm script, you should do the steps manually then (in case there was something else than stopping the daemon) |
| 07:20.02 | _2 | hoxu like a dir in /lib needing removed for example. |
| 07:20.24 | _2 | sorry /var/lib/nginx |
| 07:21.35 | buu | _2: Good catch |
| 07:26.25 | kingsley | What's your favorite audio player? |
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| 07:29.28 | Assid | hi, im trying to secure my /dev/shm .. however, i dont see an entry in /etc/fstab .. but mount shows its mounted |
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| 07:30.14 | simplechat | Assid, yeah |
| 07:30.34 | simplechat | what exactly do you want to do to your shm? |
| 07:30.52 | Assid | noexec and such.. i just had someone in there running a flood bot |
| 07:31.22 | hoxu | Assid, what does "ls -l /dev/shm" say? |
| 07:31.37 | hoxu | hmm nevermind |
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| 07:34.45 | simplechat | Assid remount it? |
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| 07:34.59 | hoxu | Assid, a bit of googling suggests you can override the options by just adding a line to fstab, eg. "none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults,nosuid,noexec,rw 0 0" |
| 07:35.09 | hoxu | Assid, forgot nodev :) |
| 07:35.33 | Assid | hoxu: yeah my main question was can it be done via fstab even tho i have initscripts doing it |
| 07:35.59 | hoxu | Assid, custom initscripts? |
| 07:36.09 | Assid | hoxu: nope.. i got udev and such there |
| 07:36.20 | Assid | didnt modify them |
| 07:36.48 | hoxu | well, try adding that to fstab and see if it helps override the options |
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| 07:37.06 | hoxu | I have no clue where /dev/shm is created |
| 07:37.20 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:37.42 | _2 | so why is this aborting ? |
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| 07:38.32 | [evilgenius101] | Can someone tell me a way round the CDROM Drives , i really wanted to install Deb on my laptop... |
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| 07:38.56 | _2 | pfft this fixed it. mkdir -p /etc/dbus-1/session.d |
| 07:39.11 | hoxu | Assid, /etc/init.d/mtab.sh seems to be doing some magic :P |
| 07:40.14 | hoxu | Assid, or more like /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh |
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| 07:43.25 | Assid | and that script doesnt do restart |
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| 07:45.12 | hoxu | Assid, you might want to read http://bugs.debian.org/386368 |
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| 07:46.51 | Assid | hrmm |
| 07:47.30 | Assid | hoxu: http://assid.pastebin.com/d656022fb |
| 07:47.44 | Assid | someone managed to get into /dev/shm and was running a flood bot |
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| 07:49.04 | _2 | where to set system wide default fonts size ? the default is so small that it's unreadable on every desktop |
| 07:49.05 | hoxu | Assid, well... you are running something exploitable on apache, you should fix that |
| 07:49.28 | _2 | i think a default size of 18 would be large enough |
| 07:49.33 | Assid | already did.. but theres no telling when something exploitable might come up.. thats why i want to do something at system level as well |
| 07:49.36 | _2 | anyone know ? |
| 07:50.06 | stew | _2: you most likely have the wrong dpi setting |
| 07:50.16 | stew | _2: what does "xdpyinfo | grep resolution" return? |
| 07:50.35 | _2 | stew on a laptop with 1200x800 how do you get it wrong ? |
| 07:51.02 | omid8bimo | i've stopped cron from running but still updatedb.mlocate works in background |
| 07:51.07 | stew | _2: by X not getting the monitor size from EDID, or gnome overriding the detected dpi |
| 07:51.16 | omid8bimo | how can i stopped this process completely? |
| 07:51.23 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:51.54 | Assid | hoxu: so as long as i dont use bind mount.. im fine |
| 07:52.30 | _2 | ? |
| 07:53.12 | stew | _2: and what size is the monitor? |
| 07:53.38 | _2 | stew laptop |
| 07:53.49 | stew | _2: can you convert that into inches? |
| 07:54.06 | _2 | 15" short screen |
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| 07:58.20 | _2 | so, how to set the default fonts size ? |
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| 08:01.31 | stew | uh and so thats 225 = (3x)^2 + (2x)^2 = 5x^2 ; so x= 45^.5, which is about uh 6.5, so that's 800 / 13 dpi |
| 08:01.36 | stew | dpkg: 800 / 13 |
| 08:01.36 | dpkg | 61.538461538462 |
| 08:02.10 | stew | dpkg 800 / (sqrt( 45 ) * 2 ) |
| 08:02.10 | dpkg | stew: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:04.29 | _2 | so you are saying set the dpi to 92 ? |
| 08:04.36 | stew | _2: you can try setting MonitorSize in xorg.conf, or in lenny, set the monitor size with xrandr which should get you to the right dpi, which i don't know if 98 is right or not |
| 08:04.43 | stew | i came up with 61 which sounds low |
| 08:04.54 | _2 | 1200/13 |
| 08:05.09 | _2 | 800/8.5 |
| 08:05.36 | stew | dpkg 13*13 + 8.5*8.5 |
| 08:05.36 | dpkg | 241.25 |
| 08:05.48 | stew | thats more than 15" |
| 08:06.09 | _2 | measures 15" diag |
| 08:06.22 | _2 | 13x8.5 |
| 08:06.53 | stew | !241.25 ** .5 |
| 08:06.53 | dpkg | 15.532224567009 |
| 08:06.59 | stew | 15.5, ok |
| 08:07.20 | _2 | well the other half must be under plastic |
| 08:08.36 | \amethyst | ! (12.75**2 + 8.25**2)**.5 |
| 08:08.36 | dpkg | 15.186342548487 |
| 08:08.53 | \amethyst | so it's consistent with rounding to the nearest half-inch |
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| 08:09.00 | stew | and with 98 dpi |
| 08:09.23 | _2 | so, how to set the default fonts size ? |
| 08:09.29 | stew | in what? |
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| 08:09.50 | _2 | xorg everything that will render a default |
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| 08:10.34 | _2 | seems like the default for everything is 9 or 10 but needs to be at least 14 i would like 18 |
| 08:11.04 | stew | _2: give me some examples what programs you are talking about? |
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| 08:11.55 | _2 | in gnome. the desktop menus the menues in all apps the text in all error/warning popups the general text in terminals you name it. |
| 08:12.05 | _2 | same is true for blackbox and twm |
| 08:12.29 | \amethyst | _2: gnome-font-properties (etch) or gnome-appearance-properties, Fonts tab (lenny) |
| 08:12.32 | _2 | i.e. all fonts == all fonts |
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| 08:12.55 | \amethyst | that will affect all GNOME and (I believe) GTK applications |
| 08:13.03 | stew | _2: which terminals? |
| 08:13.06 | _2 | \amethyst ok that will change one user one desktop is there no way to make it more generic ? |
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| 08:13.50 | _2 | stew i'm looking for an xorg setting if there is any |
| 08:13.59 | \amethyst | there is not one |
| 08:14.03 | _2 | ok. |
| 08:14.06 | _2 | thanks. |
| 08:14.21 | \amethyst | you could lie about the DPI |
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| 08:14.35 | Gigantic | jigglypuff! |
| 08:14.35 | _2 | howto ? |
| 08:14.40 | \amethyst | which would make a "10pt" font larger or smaller |
| 08:14.48 | stew | _2: gtk applications use gtk font settings, many x applications use x resources (man X see the RESOURCES section), set with xrdb |
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| 08:15.25 | _2 | stew ok. that would work and i can put that in /etc/skel/ |
| 08:15.59 | stew | _2: which? both? |
| 08:16.05 | stew | _2: what version of debian are you running? |
| 08:16.08 | _2 | the resources |
| 08:16.13 | _2 | lenny |
| 08:16.24 | stew | _2: you could try using xrandr to change your dpi |
| 08:16.35 | dirkson | Hey all. What's the current best way to get adobe's flash plugin working on amd64? nspluginwrapper fails with an error, and the 64 bit flash crashes on every platform I've tried it on. |
| 08:16.52 | _2 | have a command handy or do i just need to man xrandr ? |
| 08:17.04 | stew | dirkson: what version of debian are you running? |
| 08:17.15 | dirkson | stew: Lenny, sorry. |
| 08:17.20 | stew | _2: probably xrandr -dpi 60 |
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| 08:17.40 | stew | dirkson: get flashplugin-nonfree from unstable |
| 08:17.44 | lachlan_ | Can one replace the gnu utils and glibc with busybox/uclibc without endless pain and suffering, or is that too much of a brain transplant for the package manager to handle? |
| 08:17.53 | dirkson | stew: That's the 64 bit flash that crashes. |
| 08:17.58 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 08:17.58 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.4 |
| 08:18.33 | stew | dirkson: do versions of flash exist that don't crash? |
| 08:18.51 | dirkson | stew: No, crashes firefox 100% of the time. |
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| 08:19.06 | stew | dirkson: is there a bug filed about this? |
| 08:19.21 | dirkson | stew: No idea. |
| 08:19.23 | Gigantic | -dpi 60 is too small |
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| 08:19.36 | stew | oh, i went the wrong way |
| 08:19.49 | _2 | stew all xrandr seems to do is blink the display, no change and i tested from 10 to 200 no change |
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| 08:19.59 | bmoll8_ | hello, i'd like to run debian etch usig a 64 bit architecture. Some people argue that there is no noticeable difference between i386 and amd64, others argue that amd64 is faster, but that one as more problems with installing various packages. IS this the case? |
| 08:21.51 | hoxu | bmoll8_, speed differences are negligible I'd say, and it's true you'll probably run into more problems on 64bit arch, although I guess it's getting better with time... |
| 08:22.11 | Gigantic | bmoll8_: you may just have a few issues with java in rare cases that's all I know of... it is faster if you have the right machine but in general not a big noticeable speed |
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| 08:22.45 | Gigantic | < Run 64 bits with just 1 issue |
| 08:22.52 | _2 | stew for q in {50..220} ;do xrandr --dpi $q ;done renders blink blink blink blink |
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| 08:24.07 | dirkson | bmoll8_: Near as I can tell there isn't a method to install flash for amd64 debian at the moment. You might want to steer clear of it until that gets resolved, unless you like mucking with things. I may be wrong about this, mind you, but I can't find any better info. |
| 08:24.13 | Loof | Odd question... anyone know if you can turn on byteswapping on a block device dynamically? |
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| 08:24.18 | Gigantic | Not true |
| 08:24.29 | Gigantic | there is a 64 bits flash in Acrobat's Lab |
| 08:24.44 | hoxu | hrmh, wasn't there a way to run the 32 bit flash on 64 too? |
| 08:24.52 | dirkson | Gigantic: Which crashes 100% of the time |
| 08:24.57 | Gigantic | also but that is uneficientl |
| 08:25.04 | Gigantic | dirkson: not true |
| 08:25.12 | dirkson | hoxu: Theoretically. nspluginwrapper. But it doesn't appear to be working. |
| 08:25.25 | dirkson | Gigantic: Installed. True. |
| 08:25.29 | hoxu | bmoll8_, so there, the general consensus seems to be "more work on 64bit" :P |
| 08:25.33 | Loof | Anyone have a clue on this one? |
| 08:25.40 | Gigantic | are we arguing a pointless argumentation? |
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| 08:25.45 | Gigantic | it does work |
| 08:25.51 | Gigantic | I use it crashfree |
| 08:25.58 | Loof | Or possible use the loop device to cause byteswapping |
| 08:26.10 | dirkson | Gigantic: Alright. Then why does it dislike /my/ platform, installed fresh today? |
| 08:26.45 | Gigantic | Your problem |
| 08:26.45 | bmoll8_ | thank you all |
| 08:26.45 | dirkson | Gigantic: A vanilla install is my problem? |
| 08:26.55 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: I already have my sandisk i386 bootdisk ready |
| 08:27.06 | bmoll8_ | I am coming over from the freebsd, and am excited |
| 08:27.18 | Gigantic | arguing pointless is, the fact it doen't work with you does not mean it does not work at all... my last word |
| 08:27.38 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: I wasn't arguing; I am gathering facts |
| 08:27.47 | Gigantic | bmoll8_: not you :) |
| 08:27.58 | dirkson | Gigantic: *shrugs* I has assumed that since it failed on x64 gentoo /and/ x64 debian, it failed for everyone. Apparently not the case. |
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| 08:28.03 | bmoll8_ | oh, ok |
| 08:28.11 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.15 | hoxu | sharing experiences is not called arguing in my book, even if you can make it appear so |
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| 08:28.47 | bmoll8_ | one otheor thing...I am looking for a debian handbook, akin to that of freebsd. THe docs on the debian homepage are useful, but not very comprehensive. Can anyone recomomend an online book or manual that is similar to the fbsd handbook in scope? |
| 08:28.57 | dirkson | Aye. I can be grouchy and argumentative, but I really don't think I am just at the moment. |
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| 08:29.30 | Gigantic | bmoll8_: well, as far I know, all runs fine but for some rare java stuff |
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| 08:29.41 | Gigantic | and I have 64Etch |
| 08:30.04 | Rhizome | Everything runs perfectly here aswell, just some binary-only app i had problems with once |
| 08:30.05 | Gigantic | have other distro in my lap and 64 also works nice |
| 08:30.24 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: packages install flawlessly? |
| 08:30.38 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: I mean, it makes sense to install the amd64 version if I have a dual core processor |
| 08:30.55 | Gigantic | np at all, all I had to do is to replace fkash with the Acrobat's labs version that's it |
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| 08:31.20 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: so you can run flash in amd64? |
| 08:31.30 | Gigantic | surely |
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| 08:31.53 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: well, if that was the only problem you had, I will just install the amd64 architecture then |
| 08:32.42 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: I am wondering what the speed gain over 32 bit is precisely; hard to believe it is simply negligible |
| 08:33.13 | Gigantic | bmoll8_: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
| 08:33.35 | Gigantic | depends the pc but likely there is no big diff |
| 08:33.43 | dirkson | bmoll8_: I would be skeptical of him. I'm currently doing the same thing he's talking about on vanilla amd64 lenny, and the x64 flash plugin just crashes. |
| 08:34.34 | bmoll8_ | dirkson: you are using lenny, which is a testing branch; he is using etch |
| 08:34.35 | dirkson | Just failed with "segmentation fault", too, which /really/ doesn't help me figure out what's gone wrong. |
| 08:35.04 | dirkson | bmoll8_: Right, but the flash plugin is from the same place. I'm not saying 100% that he's wrong, just to be skeptical. |
| 08:35.16 | bmoll8_ | dirkson: thanks |
| 08:35.38 | bmoll8_ | ultimately, I want to install a system that I can have complete faith in, like fbsd; god that os is stable |
| 08:35.51 | dirkson | Debian is stable : ) |
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| 08:36.28 | Gigantic | pets NetBSD |
| 08:36.38 | bmoll8_ | so i've read; I want it to be stable under the amd64 architecture as well; don't want to sit around wondering if some error is user induced or system induced; that's why I hated ubuntu |
| 08:36.57 | bmoll8_ | Gigantic: bsd is what made me fall in love with computers |
| 08:37.10 | Gigantic | luls gg |
| 08:37.11 | bmoll8_ | and reading up about debian made me love linux again |
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| 08:37.49 | Gigantic | I test everything once in a while and fall back to Debian... but I have to have suse in my laptoop... |
| 08:38.14 | Gigantic | at least they paid me a sled this time |
| 08:38.14 | wpalap | which package to use to create video from still images? |
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| 08:38.54 | wpalap | ? |
| 08:39.00 | Gigantic | wpalap: you can use mencoder... forgot the code exactly but you can ask in #mplayer |
| 08:39.04 | dirkson | wpalap: I'm sure mencoder would do it, but I couldn't tell you how |
| 08:39.26 | _2 | would like to use grub on his system, but alas it's too weak to boot my system |
| 08:39.43 | wpalap | mencoder is a package by itself or it comes with mplayer? |
| 08:40.07 | Gigantic | installs NTboot into _2 's compputer haha |
| 08:40.28 | _2 | Gigantic that would also be too weak |
| 08:40.55 | wpalap | dirkson: mencoder is a package by itself or it comes with mplayer? |
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| 08:41.14 | samplr | I ran debootstrap. it seemed to go ok, but then it stalled (hours) at "I: Extracting zlib1g..." |
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| 08:41.45 | dirkson | wpalap: You may need to get the debian multimedia repository to install mencoder. I'm not sure, honestly |
| 08:41.50 | Gigantic | _2: weak in what sense? |
| 08:42.07 | Gigantic | wpalap: just install mplayer |
| 08:42.16 | wpalap | ok, thks. |
| 08:42.26 | _2 | Gigantic concerning grub it can't install concerning the other joke it can't find it's slef. |
| 08:42.33 | _2 | self even |
| 08:42.37 | Gigantic | haha |
| 08:43.13 | Gigantic | are you trying to boot a sata disk above 4th disk? |
| 08:43.24 | Gigantic | or something |
| 08:43.34 | wpalap | Gigantic: does mencoder allow user to specify sequencin effect such as dissolving? |
| 08:43.35 | _2 | or something |
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| 08:44.06 | _2 | Gigantic i don't have any partition |
| 08:44.15 | Gigantic | _2: lol, can't you install an small hda disk to /boot? |
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| 08:44.53 | Gigantic | wpalap: no, what you want is an editor... I dunno of any good free one |
| 08:45.02 | wpalap | ok. |
| 08:45.22 | Gigantic | Cinelerra I've heard is good but might not be what you looking for... |
| 08:45.26 | _2 | you mean make a partiton, yeah i could. but i would lose my installation and all it's data |
| 08:45.35 | wpalap | there are many amateur videos in Youtube with dissolving effect. wonder what tools they use. |
| 08:45.44 | Gigantic | _2: resize? |
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| 08:46.00 | _2 | Gigantic resize what ? |
| 08:46.15 | Gigantic | _2: the current partition |
| 08:46.21 | _2 | there isn't one |
| 08:46.32 | Gigantic | the one you installed in >.> |
| 08:46.38 | _2 | there isn't one |
| 08:46.46 | Gigantic | confussed |
| 08:46.51 | _2 | figures. |
| 08:46.59 | _2 | i installed to /dev/sda |
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| 08:47.22 | wpalap | i have picasa 3 but the video part doesn't work. |
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| 08:47.48 | Gigantic | ... |
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| 08:48.15 | Gigantic | wpalap: try kdenlive... I havent used but you can try |
| 08:48.27 | wpalap | ok, thks. |
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| 08:54.56 | VI_Lenin | Hi everybody! Please advise how to let non-root user run "pppd call..." command? "pppd" is in /usr/sbin. |
| 08:55.13 | _2 | i also have a ubuntu install in a box with two disks the first is the system /dev/hda the second has a partition (two actually) and i can put the grub stage* files and kernel on the disk with partitions but. when i do that i have to mount the root fs using the second superblock because grub writes in the first one when writing it's mbr |
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| 08:56.08 | Gigantic | VI_Lenin: man sudo visudo |
| 08:56.32 | VI_Lenin | I do not want user to have root privileges |
| 08:56.50 | _2 | VI_Lenin maybe visudo and add a line like this " ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/pppd " |
| 08:56.51 | Gigantic | exact |
| 08:58.43 | _2 | VI_Lenin at any rate that's what sudo is for, to let normal users do certian things as superuser without making them root jr. the totally stupid ubuntu way of doing it is just make them root jr. and hope they are careful |
| 08:59.34 | Gigantic | not only as root |
| 09:00.02 | Gigantic | and yes the Ubuntu stuff is dumb |
| 09:00.05 | _2 | and i have been telling the ubuntu folks that to their face for the last four years. they don't like it, but it's my openion and they haven't been able to change it. |
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| 09:00.41 | _2 | and yes i know you can add -u username as well |
| 09:00.43 | Gigantic | ur not the only one |
| 09:01.27 | Gigantic | there is a ton of details like that, that make me be against Ubuntu |
| 09:01.33 | _2 | it's also bad coding to just assume that root==uid0 |
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| 09:02.22 | _2 | su doesn't make that bad assumption but sudo does |
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| 09:06.10 | tmiw_ | question. i held back a package with aptitude, but apt-get -s dist-upgrade still shows that it'll be upgraded. how do i fix this? |
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| 09:07.13 | dutchfish | hi, will the dbus permissive branch make it into lenny? Or will the default deny be the road to continure? looking at what is going on in SID.... see: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2008-December/010769.html |
| 09:08.08 | dirkson | Hey all. Anyone have any idea how to pull in the 32 bit libnss3 libraries on amd64 linux? nspluginwrapper needs them, and I can't seem to find them anywhere. |
| 09:08.26 | dutchfish | !ia32 |
| 09:08.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia32 is a synonym for i386 (x86). In other words, if you don't know, this is what you have. |
| 09:09.03 | dutchfish | ia32-libs? |
| 09:09.16 | dirkson | dutchfish: Already installed. |
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| 09:10.20 | dutchfish | dirkson, i believe libnss3-1d and relatives are already 64bit, or am i mistaken? |
| 09:10.41 | dirkson | dutchfish: Yes, and that's the problem- Nspluginwrapper cannot find them. |
| 09:11.20 | \amethyst | are you using the Debian version of nspluginwrapper? |
| 09:11.20 | _2 | i have a moron question. can one change the arch of their installation via the packagemanager ? 32 > 64 bit ? |
| 09:11.41 | dutchfish | dirkson, use packagesearch to find out install path's and compare with the 32 bit, i believe you can make a symlink in the right place (at the top of my hard) |
| 09:11.49 | dirkson | \amethyst: Yes |
| 09:11.55 | dutchfish | s/hard/head |
| 09:12.00 | dirkson | Gotcha |
| 09:12.34 | dutchfish | _2, no |
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| 09:12.54 | _2 | hmmm then that might be a good challange ;/ |
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| 09:13.37 | dutchfish | _2, i have done this with a debootstrap install, you can do it if you only go as far as stage 1, after that you break all |
| 09:14.04 | dutchfish | _2, see udeb documentation |
| 09:14.07 | _2 | "as far as stage 1" sounds gentooish |
| 09:14.19 | dutchfish | _2, man debootstrap |
| 09:14.39 | dutchfish | _2, no i no zilch about gentoo |
| 09:14.45 | dutchfish | s/no/know |
| 09:15.25 | tmiw_ | oh weird, now it's working |
| 09:16.12 | _2 | dpkg udeb |
| 09:16.12 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 09:18.17 | _2 | dutchfish you do know that i'm talking about this running system being moved from 32bit to 64bit with all packages overwriten as needed right? |
| 09:18.44 | _2 | i'm sure it will break all kinds of things. |
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| 09:19.55 | _2 | but the kernel libc6 shell and dpkg are the first things that would have to change and that would need done from an admin/host system... |
| 09:20.15 | _2 | live cd maybe |
| 09:20.29 | dirkson | dutchfish: ... Ok.. I've installed packagesearch, and done a couple searches, but now I'm utterly lost. |
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| 09:22.42 | dutchfish | dirkson, packagesearch has an option to list files (with install path's) |
| 09:23.14 | dirkson | dutchfish: Right. I see that. |
| 09:23.17 | dutchfish | dirkson, from there you have to figure out the corretc poth for both packages |
| 09:23.25 | dutchfish | corect path |
| 09:23.29 | dirkson | dutchfish: "both"? |
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| 09:23.32 | dutchfish | sorry for my typos |
| 09:24.02 | dutchfish | dirkson, yes, compare both packages |
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| 09:24.18 | dirkson | dutchfish: I don't see how I can compare the 32 bit vs the 64 bit - I'm on a 64 bit system, and can only see the 64 bit packages. |
| 09:24.53 | dutchfish | dirkson, right, my mistake, hold on |
| 09:25.22 | dirkson | dutchfish: Not a problem- I assumed I was doing something wrong : ) |
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| 09:26.14 | dutchfish | dirkson, you are on lenny right? |
| 09:27.02 | dirkson | dutchfish: Correct. |
| 09:27.03 | dutchfish | dirkson, look at this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libnss3 |
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| 09:28.02 | dirkson | dutchfish: Ah! Very useful! |
| 09:28.31 | dirkson | dutchfish: Ok. The 64 bit libnss installs the file exactly where the 32 bit libnss did. It's even named the same thing. |
| 09:28.47 | dutchfish | dirkson, right |
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| 09:29.07 | dutchfish | dirkson, on Etch, this would be different |
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| 09:29.47 | dutchfish | dirkson, then my suggestion will work, but i am afraid lenny has it already at the right places, so you have a dif problem .... mmmm |
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| 09:30.25 | TTT | um, why is it taking so long for kernel 2.6.27 or 2.6.28 to make it into SID? |
| 09:30.39 | dutchfish | dirkson, for what you need the wrapper? |
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| 09:30.54 | dutchfish | !tell TTT about freeze |
| 09:30.55 | dirkson | dutchfish: So I can view flash videos on teh internets. |
| 09:31.09 | TTT | thanks dutchfish |
| 09:31.11 | dutchfish | !flash64beta |
| 09:31.11 | dpkg | To use the beta flash non-free player without running into problems in usermode download the tar.gz from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html, mkdir /home/`whoami`/.mozilla/plugins and copy the extracted .so into it. |
| 09:31.14 | dirkson | dutchfish: The pure 64 bit version of flash crashes 100% of the time. |
| 09:31.23 | amitz | while configuring my debian lenny, suddenly xrandr can only recognize the monitor on the terminal window where xrandr is run, where as xrandr had successfully able to identify all monitor connected regardless where I run the xrandr command line. What's wrong? |
| 09:31.37 | dutchfish | dirkson, do what dpkg suggested it works |
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| 09:31.44 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 09:31.53 | Panarchy | What is the smalled debian based linux distribution? |
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| 09:31.59 | Panarchy | What is the smallest debian based linux distribution? |
| 09:32.27 | christoz | hello what is the best browser for debian? |
| 09:32.46 | christoz | which* |
| 09:32.46 | dutchfish | dirkson, assuming that you use a mozilla one like iceweasel ... |
| 09:33.00 | dirkson | dutchfish: I already /have/ followed those directions. The 64 bit flash plugin crashes 100% of the time in iceweasel. Vanilla install, fresh today. |
| 09:33.07 | meborc | christoz, icewaesel |
| 09:33.11 | meborc | for me anyways |
| 09:33.29 | Panarchy | What is the smallest debian based linux distribution? |
| 09:33.35 | meborc | iceweasel* |
| 09:33.35 | TTT | meborc, christoz lynx for the win ! :) |
| 09:33.41 | amitz | so if I run xrandr in terminal window on monitor 1, xrandr can only recognize monitor 1. if I run xrandr in terminal window on monitor, xrandr can only recognize monitor 2. But somehow in monitor 1, the screen is successfuly identified as Screen 0 and in monitor 2, the screen is succesfully indentified as screen 2. |
| 09:33.43 | christoz | lynx ? |
| 09:33.45 | dutchfish | dirkson, strange, i am running this on several systems, not even one crash, did you sort out other plugins? |
| 09:33.47 | christoz | hmm |
| 09:34.06 | TTT | christoz, lynx is text only, cannot even display tables. I was joking |
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| 09:34.30 | TTT | christoz OTOH if you only have a terminal window and no graphics running, it comes useful. There is also links, which is also text only but better |
| 09:34.36 | meborc | TTT, christoz for very minimal browser with pictures and stuff try dillo |
| 09:34.37 | dirkson | dutchfish: I was running gentoo before this, and tried the amd64 plugin on that system as well, to the same results. I can only assume that something about my particular hardware dislikes the 64 bit adobe plugin. |
| 09:35.09 | dutchfish | dirkson, can you dmidecode and send it to pastebin? |
| 09:35.19 | dirkson | dutchfish: Ooh! What's dmidecode? |
| 09:35.38 | dutchfish | !dmidecode |
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| 09:36.41 | dutchfish | !info dmidecode |
| 09:36.46 | Panarchy | What's the smallest debian based linux distribution with GNOME? |
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| 09:37.01 | dpkg | dmidecode: (Dump Desktop Management Interface data), section utils, is important. Version: 2.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 09:37.55 | dutchfish | dirkson, i am very sorry i have to run to pickup someone, i am back in 3 hours or so |
| 09:38.07 | dirkson | dutchfish: Drat. Ok. |
| 09:38.36 | dutchfish | dirkson, but others can help when you hsow them dmidecode and dmesg |
| 09:38.50 | dutchfish | dirkson, i suspect hardwrae issues |
| 09:39.02 | dutchfish | s/hardwrae/hardware |
| 09:39.20 | dutchfish | dirkson, good luck |
| 09:39.33 | dirkson | dutchfish: Be a really specific sort of hardware issue to just affect 64bit linux flash? : ) Thanks for all the help, though! |
| 09:39.57 | dutchfish | dirkson, yes, prolly mtrr or video driver |
| 09:40.38 | dutchfish | dirkson, related to bios or bios acpi |
| 09:40.53 | dirkson | Definitely beyond me. |
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| 09:41.07 | dutchfish | dirkson, dont give up yet, i really need to run now, gl |
| 09:41.16 | dirkson | dutchfish: See you |
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| 09:47.53 | Panarchy | Would there be a way to get GNOME, Ubuntu icons for GNOME, DPKG, Apt-Get, Network Capabilites, Generic Drivers, manpages (unless this can installed via apt-get) & the GNOME Terminal Emulator, and only those onto one .iso? |
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| 09:51.11 | krux0 | Panarchy, what? |
| 09:51.19 | krux0 | please clarify |
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| 09:51.59 | Panarchy | Is there any distribution that has only GNOME, Ubuntu icons for GNOME, DPKG, Apt-Get, Network Capabilites, Generic Drivers & the GNOME Terminal Emulator? Or would there be a way for me to slim down a distribution to contain just those? |
| 09:52.47 | krux0 | yeah, it's called ubuntu |
| 09:53.02 | hoxu | ... |
| 09:53.18 | Panarchy | krux0: Nope |
| 09:53.20 | hoxu | Panarchy wants to make a custom iso containing only those packages |
| 09:53.23 | krux0 | but i think there is a tool for what you're asking |
| 09:53.23 | Panarchy | Yes |
| 09:53.29 | Panarchy | Yes? |
| 09:53.32 | krux0 | yes |
| 09:53.39 | Panarchy | Can you tell me of it? |
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| 09:53.55 | amitz | Panarchy: Install without checking any task, then add installation as necessary using aptitude, don't forget to not automatically install recommended package? |
| 09:54.07 | hoxu | !tell Panarchy about custom cd |
| 09:54.16 | hoxu | might help |
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| 09:59.20 | hmtt | hi |
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| 10:00.04 | Panarchy | brb |
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| 10:04.51 | krux0 | Panarchy, http://www.nimblex.net/ |
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| 10:11.38 | assasukasse | hello |
| 10:11.49 | assasukasse | how can i clean my /tmp directory w/o rebooting |
| 10:12.09 | mazzanet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.09 | krux0 | does you tmp dir reside on a different partition? |
| 10:13.24 | assasukasse | krux0: nop |
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| 10:15.04 | krux0 | look at cron |
| 10:15.25 | krux0 | there should be a job there for that purpose |
| 10:20.24 | assasukasse | oki krux0 i found tmpreaper |
| 10:20.46 | krux0 | look at the contents and see what it does |
| 10:21.12 | krux0 | if anywhere in there it states cleaning of /tmp, run it |
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| 10:25.17 | krux0 | does it state it's action? |
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| 10:28.26 | Phlogi | anyone using debian on the htc g1 mobile? |
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| 10:29.10 | codeblue | #bash |
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| 10:29.55 | jones1 | Heya |
| 10:30.16 | jones1 | How do I increase the resolution of my virtual console |
| 10:30.45 | jones1 | I know I need to pass something along with the kernel line |
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| 10:31.06 | RichiH | jones1: google if you want teh full list, but vga=791 will give you 1024*768 with 16 bit colors |
| 10:31.19 | kranichTheII | Hallo ! can anyone help me with a boot up problem ? |
| 10:32.07 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 10:32.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 10:32.59 | dzup | is there a package similar to bearshare or any p2p for the gutella network? |
| 10:33.21 | jones1 | RichiH: ok thanks |
| 10:33.31 | jones1 | is googling around |
| 10:34.17 | jones1 | what about bga=788 ? |
| 10:34.24 | jones1 | vga* |
| 10:34.41 | jones1 | Can I have 1200x800 resolution ? |
| 10:34.48 | jones1 | My laptop supports that |
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| 10:40.41 | Panarchy | says Hi |
| 10:41.11 | Panarchy | Is there any distribution which has only GNOME, Ubuntu icons for GNOME, DPKG, Apt-Get, Network Capabilites, Generic Drivers & the GNOME Terminal Emulator? Or is there a way for me to slim down a distribution to contain just those? As I've been creating my own distribution, and want to start off with only the bare minimum, before adding the features and programs that I want to have on my distribution. But I DEFINITELY need those featu |
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| 10:41.39 | RichiH | !based on |
| 10:41.39 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 10:41.55 | clarks | i want to install debian.. |
| 10:42.01 | clarks | but now im using ubuntu.. |
| 10:42.04 | clarks | how?> |
| 10:43.09 | Panarchy | without uninstalling? |
| 10:43.41 | Panarchy | RichiH: Debian may be what I am talking about |
| 10:43.53 | enouf | same way you installed *buntu, but with a debian ISO |
| 10:44.19 | clarks | where to d/l debian iso..? |
| 10:44.29 | clarks | but i want to use two os..debian and ubuntu?can it be? |
| 10:44.30 | enouf | !netinstall |
| 10:44.30 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 10:44.39 | enouf | sure |
| 10:45.11 | clarks | how to make 2 os? |
| 10:45.16 | clarks | let me know 1st how to make 2os |
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| 10:45.48 | enouf | dpkg: netinstall =~ s/but is/but which is/ |
| 10:45.48 | dpkg | enouf: that doesn't contain 'but is' |
| 10:46.01 | Agiofws | hey |
| 10:46.04 | enouf | dpkg: netinst =~ s/but is/but which is/ |
| 10:46.04 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
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| 10:46.33 | Agiofws | where does DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--enable-gui --enable-menu" fakeroot debian/rules binary the debian package get written so i can install it ? |
| 10:46.40 | anewbie | hello guys i have verry strange problem with my wireless connection |
| 10:46.40 | anewbie | when i try to use my GUI too |
| 10:46.41 | anewbie | l |
| 10:46.45 | anewbie | it said no network divice been found |
| 10:46.47 | anewbie | but on ifconfig/iwconfig |
| 10:46.51 | anewbie | i found the wireless card |
| 10:46.53 | anewbie | when i make iwlist scan i found and the networks |
| 10:46.55 | anewbie | but i just cant make it connect |
| 10:47.01 | anewbie | can someone help me |
| 10:47.03 | Agiofws | dpkg-deb: building package `mplayer' in `../mplayer_1.0svn_i386.deb'. |
| 10:47.03 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws/extracted/mplayer# ls |
| 10:47.22 | enouf | Agiofws: yes, that's an mplayer thing |
| 10:47.25 | anewbie | a |
| 10:48.21 | enouf | see the ../ ? |
| 10:48.36 | enouf | do; cd ../ |
| 10:48.49 | enouf | or even just do; cd .. |
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| 10:52.24 | anewbie | hi guys i have problem with my wifi connection when i try to use the GUI tool he said no network devices been found but on ifconfig / iwconfig i see the device |
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| 10:52.38 | anewbie | when i make iwlist scan i can see the available networks around me |
| 10:52.44 | anewbie | but i just cant connect |
| 10:52.46 | anewbie | wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 10:52.54 | anewbie | this lines are part of dhcp output |
| 10:53.15 | anewbie | ou |
| 10:53.32 | anewbie | someone plase help ? |
| 10:53.54 | anewbie | is there a driver problem |
| 10:54.02 | enouf | firmware? |
| 10:54.13 | anewbie | ... |
| 10:54.14 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 10:54.38 | anewbie | ath0 eth0 lo wifi0 |
| 10:54.52 | enouf | !z25 |
| 10:54.52 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 10:55.34 | anewbie | enouf, ... this one was for me maybe ? |
| 10:55.45 | enouf | i suck at any/all wifi issues - yes anewbie |
| 10:56.11 | enouf | have you googled that exact error? |
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| 10:56.34 | anewbie | yes but find nothing |
| 10:56.42 | anewbie | and infact ... there is not correct error |
| 10:56.55 | anewbie | there is just missing wifi connection via the GUI tool |
| 10:57.05 | anewbie | and unvailability to connect via console |
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| 10:58.16 | enouf | anewbie: no idea - sorry |
| 10:58.22 | anewbie | np |
| 10:58.25 | anewbie | thx |
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| 10:59.23 | liable | you can ignore the wifi0 stuff |
| 10:59.48 | liable | its a master dev, and as far as you are concerned, does nothing |
| 11:00.16 | anewbie | hmm |
| 11:00.24 | anewbie | you mean to put interface down |
| 11:00.28 | anewbie | and try to connect |
| 11:00.28 | anewbie | ? |
| 11:00.36 | liable | just ignore wifi0 |
| 11:00.56 | liable | iwlist scan shows networks? |
| 11:00.58 | hark | is this an atheros chipset? |
| 11:01.07 | anewbie | yes |
| 11:01.12 | anewbie | atheros |
| 11:01.14 | anewbie | and yes |
| 11:01.18 | enouf | liable: i thought wmaster0 was the master device |
| 11:01.19 | anewbie | iwlist show networks |
| 11:01.28 | enouf | but there is none present |
| 11:01.32 | liable | enouf: depends on the driver |
| 11:01.42 | anewbie | the driver is madwifi |
| 11:01.58 | liable | yes, and you can ignore wifi0\ |
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| 11:02.14 | anewbie | i will ignore it by putting the interface down |
| 11:02.18 | enouf | crawls back into the cave |
| 11:02.35 | liable | anewbie: exactly how are you trying to connect? what commands are you using? |
| 11:02.54 | anewbie | i prefere to use the GUI tool but when it dont work |
| 11:03.05 | anewbie | i use iwconfig ap xxxxxxxx |
| 11:03.15 | liable | its an open ap? |
| 11:03.16 | anewbie | iwconfig freq xxxxxxx channels etc. etc. etc. |
| 11:03.20 | anewbie | yes |
| 11:03.39 | liable | paste your iwlist scan output, plus your iwconfig output |
| 11:03.44 | liable | !paste |
| 11:03.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:04.12 | anewbie | ok |
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| 11:05.37 | anewbie | liable, i can scan when wifi0 is down |
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| 11:05.48 | anewbie | i put it up |
| 11:06.08 | anewbie | but the network that i wish to connect was gone maybe the neighbours turn it off |
| 11:06.15 | liable | anewbie: i said ignore wifi0.. you cannot do anything with it. you want to be working with ath0 |
| 11:07.19 | anewbie | hmm |
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| 11:07.47 | anewbie | imagandi@Imagandi-mob:~$ sudo ifconfig wifi0 down |
| 11:07.47 | anewbie | imagandi@Imagandi-mob:~$ sudo iwlist ath0 scan |
| 11:07.47 | anewbie | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 11:07.49 | anewbie | ... !? |
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| 11:08.08 | anewbie | hey this was 3 lines |
| 11:08.11 | Tobsn | hey, i just removed mysql by accident - now i try to reinstall it and install mysql-client-5.0 tells me "Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 1.2202) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 11:08.21 | liable | anewbie: ifconfig ath0 up; iwlist scan |
| 11:08.21 | doublehp | how to change the sync frequency for ext3 FS ? default is 5s ... i need to increase this. |
| 11:09.22 | anewbie | liable ath0 is up already |
| 11:09.24 | anewbie | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 11:09.34 | liable | anewbie: ifconfig ath0 up |
| 11:09.41 | anewbie | yes yes |
| 11:09.54 | anewbie | i make it it was up at the first time when wifi0 is down i cant scan |
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| 11:10.08 | liable | anewbie: do it |
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| 11:11.33 | anewbie | http://pastebin.com/m4922a336 |
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| 11:11.55 | anewbie | see |
| 11:12.00 | anewbie | i cant scan without wifi0 |
| 11:12.22 | liable | anewbie: ifconfig -a and iwconfig output to paste |
| 11:12.42 | anewbie | ok |
| 11:13.06 | liable | anewbie: you have an eee i take it? |
| 11:13.15 | anewbie | yes |
| 11:13.38 | liable | which installer did you install with? |
| 11:14.43 | anewbie | lenny |
| 11:14.46 | anewbie | via usb stick |
| 11:15.02 | liable | the eee installer or the standard debian one? |
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| 11:15.18 | anewbie | i think it was the eee one |
| 11:15.31 | liable | ok, show me that paste output i asked for |
| 11:15.31 | anewbie | i work with it several days without any problem |
| 11:15.41 | anewbie | but after the last update ... this happend |
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| 11:15.52 | anewbie | http://pastebin.com/m36b6efd1 |
| 11:16.04 | anewbie | and now there is wifi0-000 |
| 11:16.05 | anewbie | ?! |
| 11:16.06 | anewbie | wtf |
| 11:16.23 | _2 | hmmm grub2 is much stronger than grub was, i now have grub2 installed on my partitionless system, but update-grub didn't generate a menu.lst where is grub2's config file ? |
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| 11:18.40 | liable | anewbie: the interface is up. it should scan |
| 11:18.48 | _2 | anyone know how to generate a config for grub2 ? |
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| 11:19.06 | anewbie | it should :( |
| 11:19.23 | anewbie | may be i must reinstall i have no idea what to do |
| 11:19.35 | liable | anewbie: where is this extra wifi-000? it doesnt show in your output |
| 11:19.51 | liable | anewbie: dont reinstall, thats not needed |
| 11:20.13 | megaf | good porning all |
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| 11:20.34 | anewbie | librahg, for the resoluion part of the macaddres of wifi0 goes down of it |
| 11:20.34 | Tobsn | hey, i just removed mysql by accident - now i try to reinstall it and install mysql-client-5.0 tells me "Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 1.2202) but it is not going to be installed" - anyone? im going nuts here |
| 11:20.35 | _2 | come on. somebody must know ? |
| 11:20.39 | megaf | Linux is nice, isnt it? |
| 11:20.39 | anewbie | .. my fault |
| 11:20.58 | anewbie | but i need that wireless urgend i must go to another town after few ours |
| 11:21.05 | anewbie | where i will can use only wifi |
| 11:21.47 | anewbie | liable, i think there is a driver problem if i change it ? |
| 11:21.48 | _2 | ah i found /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 11:21.56 | anewbie | is that possible |
| 11:21.56 | anewbie | ? |
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| 11:22.06 | liable | anewbie: no, there has been no madwifi updates lately |
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| 11:23.13 | anewbie | liable, ... what then :( any other sugestions |
| 11:24.10 | anewbie | liable, is there can be any hardware problem |
| 11:24.11 | anewbie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:24.41 | liable | anewbie: modprobe -r ath-pci; modprobe -r ath5k; modprobe ath-pci; ifconfig ath0 up; iwlist scan |
| 11:24.49 | liable | anewbie: not likely |
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| 11:25.11 | _2 | pfft. i got a config file now but now it kernel panics |
| 11:25.20 | liable | anewbie: dont fret, there is no good reason why its not working. |
| 11:25.30 | theholyduck | liable, well there HAVE been madwifi updates lately :P |
| 11:25.46 | theholyduck | well rather |
| 11:25.55 | theholyduck | lenny doesnt have the latest madwifi stuff |
| 11:26.14 | liable | theholyduck: i run the eeepc repo, there has not been updates recently.. |
| 11:26.34 | anewbie | hmm liable |
| 11:26.37 | theholyduck | liable, well i needed to compile madwifi from the latest sources |
| 11:26.41 | theholyduck | to be able to use my acer aspire one |
| 11:26.46 | theholyduck | though admitetly this was on lenny |
| 11:26.47 | theholyduck | not sid |
| 11:26.55 | liable | theholyduck: latest changelog for sid.. Kel Modderman <kel@otaku42.de> Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:18:45 +1000 |
| 11:26.55 | anewbie | how can i check is there an eeepc repo in my sources.list |
| 11:27.02 | anewbie | where i can fidn sources.list |
| 11:27.23 | doublehp | how to change the sync frequency for ext3 FS ? default is 5s ... i need to increase this. |
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| 11:27.56 | liable | anewbie: did you do what i said above? |
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| 11:28.58 | _2 | well it boots ok if i drop to the grub prompt but from the menu it only kernel panics |
| 11:29.11 | anewbie | yes yes |
| 11:29.15 | anewbie | just a sec |
| 11:30.36 | reaktae | Hey guys, I want to install debian on a machine that currently runs linux and has raid1 setup on two drives (exactly the same ones). I'd like to remove one drive (break the array) and install a fresh debian system on the remaining one. After that I want to mount it again, copy some data of it, wipe it and then make it a mirrored one of the new system. I can't find any docs on mounting... |
| 11:30.38 | reaktae | ...degraded raid drives and accessing data of them... Is this possible without losing my data? |
| 11:31.11 | hark | doublehp: man mount, under ext3 options look for commit |
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| 11:32.52 | _2 | ah i think i may have found it. it had no entry for the initrd |
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| 11:34.27 | _2 | so it's a debian package that expects a kernel that doesn't need an initrd interseting |
| 11:34.40 | doublehp | hark: 3 days i am learning tune2fs by heart ! thanks. so stupid ... |
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| 11:35.58 | davidisko | hi guys, who's maintaing porting of rdiff-backup into debian repository? |
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| 11:37.33 | hark | doublehp: heh, np |
| 11:37.46 | hark | !maint rdiff-backup |
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| 11:37.51 | dpkg | rdiff-backup: Daniel Baumann <daniel@debian.org> |
| 11:38.54 | davidisko | oh that's nice:) |
| 11:39.02 | lord_rob | Hi ! On my grandfather PC I had created two partitions with Windows XP, one XP which has internet access, another which hasn't fearing the virus coming. Of course the virus has come. Now I've shown him a live CD of linux and he'd like to have linux on his pc. Would it be possible to replace the XP internet partition with debian, keeping the multiboot working ? |
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| 11:39.35 | lord_rob | (the virus is only on XP w/ internet) |
| 11:40.19 | mavhc | should be, you can't really assume the virus hasn't jumped partitions unless you have all the details of how it worked though. |
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| 11:40.58 | reaktae | i agree. you should scan the other partition with a tool running from a non-writable media |
| 11:41.50 | _2 | pfft the script /etc/grub.d/10_linux tests for "initrd.img-$version" so it didn't find my "/boot/initramfs.img-$version" ! talk about lacking. |
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| 11:44.26 | reaktae | is debian capable of mounting a drive that was a part of raid1 and reading of it? please, i need this. |
| 11:44.34 | lord_rob | Yeah so the ideal solution would be to keep XP on both hard drives, and squeeze XP partition on the drive on which I want to install linux |
| 11:45.00 | lord_rob | then no more boot the contaminated XP |
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| 11:47.39 | _2 | ah it booted that time. very noisily but it booted |
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| 11:51.11 | _2 | it looks like i have a boot loader |
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| 11:52.03 | _2 | congrats to the grub developers they built one that worked. |
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| 11:52.32 | asetaatti | How do I start the calculation in Maxima, hitting enter will only give an empty line :( |
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| 11:53.11 | reaktae | Hey guys, I want to install linux (debian) on a machine that currently runs linux (qnap headless) and has raid1 setup on two drives (exactly the same ones). I'd like to remove one drive (break the array) and install a fresh debian system on the remaining one. After that I want to mount it again, copy some data of it, wipe it and then make it a mirrored one of the new system. I can't find any... |
| 11:53.13 | reaktae | ...docs on mounting degraded raid drives and accessing data of them... |
| 11:53.14 | reaktae | Is this possible without losing my data? Can anyone point me in the right direction please?! |
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| 11:59.32 | Waxhead | This is probably a stupid question but if I add a new repository to my sources.list would not the packages in there conflict with the other repositories? How can I make sure that I only get ONE package (and it's dependencies) from a specific repository. |
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| 12:02.24 | beardy | Waxhead: What repository are you wanting to add, and why? |
| 12:03.11 | beardy | Waxhead: Only use official repositories, only use one mirror. |
| 12:03.20 | Waxhead | beardy: does it matter?.. but let's say I want to add the latest wine... or some repository that have the latest kernel and I want to use ONLY the kernel/wine/whatever package from that repository. |
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| 12:04.39 | beardy | Waxhead: Since you are the one asking, it matters. That's a road to breakage, unless you know what you are doing. |
| 12:04.42 | beardy | !pinning |
| 12:04.42 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 12:05.58 | Waxhead | beardy: thanks a lot! :D |
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| 12:07.22 | beardy | Waxhead: You're welcome. :) |
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| 12:20.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:20.48 | dpkg | <nvz> Pretty much lost interest in school after the 3rd of 4th year when I seen that they couldnt teach me anything anymore, and I began my own quest of knowlage |
| 12:21.23 | asetaatti | Well you should study maths, you can never know enough |
| 12:21.36 | liable | english would be a good start |
| 12:21.52 | asetaatti | Propably |
| 12:22.10 | liable | *giggles* |
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| 12:28.16 | N3bunel | brb |
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| 12:32.06 | reaktae | anyone on mounting the degraded raid1 drive and reading off it in debian? |
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| 12:40.01 | bolt | yes, i always mount my degraded raid1 in the weekends |
| 12:40.08 | bolt | just ask your question :) |
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| 12:40.50 | bolt | also, please specify type of raid, what you're trying to do etc. |
| 12:41.59 | enouf | bolt: does your scroll go back an hour or so, or more? he asked detailed then |
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| 12:42.27 | enouf | he/she |
| 12:42.40 | bolt | ah |
| 12:42.43 | bolt | just woke up :) |
| 12:44.58 | enouf | aye |
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| 12:46.40 | reaktae | bolt: i just need to make sure i'm going to be able to break raid1, keep data on one of the drives, reinstall system on the other and then retrieve my data again. after that i want to wipe the drive and recreate raid1 |
| 12:47.09 | force | reaktae: mirrors can be broken easily without an issue |
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| 12:47.42 | reaktae | force: can i mount one and read off it then? |
| 12:47.56 | reaktae | on a different system that is |
| 12:48.09 | force | sure provided you have the same raid card |
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| 12:48.51 | force | what type of card is it? |
| 12:48.56 | reaktae | it's an embedded system (qnap), so i probably will. |
| 12:49.00 | tac_ | Hi, does anyone know, why debian's default terminal is linux? which I can't even google this terminal |
| 12:49.19 | tac_ | I've just installed etch |
| 12:49.20 | force | i've only had problems with intel raid |
| 12:49.24 | force | in that type of situation |
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| 12:49.55 | force | i have not used qnap before |
| 12:50.39 | reaktae | force: i'll give it a go and see what happens.. i can't bck everything because my drives are 1tb and there's no way I can even split between my laptops... |
| 12:51.53 | force | reaktae: well ive been in the situation were i had a mirror raid, the os was corrupt but i needed some sql dbs, disconnected one mirror drive, reinstalled the os on the other and mounted and retrieved the data from the other drive |
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| 12:53.53 | pablo | hi, how can i install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome and xserver-xorg-input-kdb without installing the rest video and input drivers? |
| 12:53.56 | reaktae | force: that's exactly what i'm after. after my data's retrieved from the disconnected drive (copied onto the fresh-system one), will i be able to wipe it and make it a mirror again? |
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| 12:55.11 | pablo | i mean when i do apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-input-kbd it wants to install the rest input drivers |
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| 12:57.54 | superlinux | hi all |
| 12:58.00 | pablo | hi |
| 12:58.36 | superlinux | i am looking for a mulithreaded download manager better than d4x. do you know any? |
| 12:59.05 | superlinux | any recommendations? |
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| 13:00.02 | superlinux | abrotman, hi |
| 13:00.12 | pablo | hi, when a pachage has a dependency or another, how can i choose between them? |
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| 13:00.20 | liable | pablo: there isnt much you can do if they have depends |
| 13:00.31 | superlinux | i am looking for a mulithreaded download manager better than d4x. do you know any? |
| 13:00.34 | valdyn | pablo: add one of both to the aptitude install ... line |
| 13:00.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:00.44 | superlinux | hi |
| 13:01.08 | pablo | valdyn: cant that be done with apt? |
| 13:01.16 | valdyn | pablo: same thing |
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| 13:01.25 | enouf | pablo: recommends? |
| 13:01.29 | valdyn | pablo: and its apt-get, dont try to confuse me =/ |
| 13:01.29 | pablo | liable: yes but it depends on a package or another package |
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| 13:02.06 | pablo | valdyn: isnt working |
| 13:02.17 | valdyn | pablo: can you be less vague? |
| 13:02.43 | pablo | valdyn: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome xserver-xorg-input-kbd |
| 13:02.44 | abrotman | install the other first perhaps |
| 13:02.47 | liable | pablo: it only depends on xserver-core |
| 13:03.20 | enouf | ewww http://packages.debian.org/lenny/xserver-xorg |
| 13:03.56 | pablo | well when i do that, it wants to install all input drivers |
| 13:04.04 | valdyn | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) |
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| 13:04.35 | enouf | which is a depends of xserver-xorg-core which is a depends or either/both of those pkgs he wants |
| 13:04.38 | hark | pablo: install it and remove it later |
| 13:04.52 | enouf | yeah |
| 13:05.01 | pablo | hark: well, thats one solution. isnt there any other? |
| 13:05.03 | liable | core depends on xserver-xorg, which depends on input2 and video-2, which the previous packages supply |
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| 13:05.33 | enouf | pablo: you'd need to edit the debian/{rules,changelog,whatever} files |
| 13:05.37 | hark | pablo: it's the way it's setup unfortunately |
| 13:05.56 | abrotman | he could use equivs |
| 13:06.13 | enouf | basically, rebuild the pkg .. there's another way, bravo |
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| 13:06.19 | valdyn | pablo: try installing the -kbd package first |
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| 13:06.23 | abrotman | i'm sure that would cause all sorts of ugly issues |
| 13:06.38 | valdyn | he does not need to use equivs |
| 13:06.44 | enouf | that's not a mole! |
| 13:06.46 | liable | if you install the kbd and video package at the same time, it should work ok |
| 13:06.49 | valdyn | but hes silly to avoid those tiny input drivers |
| 13:06.55 | pablo | liable: it doesnt |
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| 13:07.08 | enouf | pablo: lenny? etch? |
| 13:07.10 | valdyn | pablo: try aptitude instead |
| 13:07.13 | pablo | enouf: lenny |
| 13:07.29 | pablo | valdyn: so that cant be done with apt? |
| 13:07.36 | valdyn | pablo: i dont know |
| 13:07.49 | enouf | pablo: try this maybe as well |
| 13:07.51 | enouf | ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 13:07.52 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 13:08.01 | valdyn | pablo: few if any people have the complete apt-get dependency resolution algirithm in their heads |
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| 13:08.41 | valdyn | pablo: why dont you just install all of xorg? |
| 13:08.47 | enouf | but that'll only likely help for future things pablo (what i wrote about Recommends) |
| 13:08.53 | pablo | valdyn: so the great majority of the people installs all the drivers? |
| 13:08.54 | valdyn | pablo: saves you alot of trouble now and when theres serious upgrades |
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| 13:09.07 | enouf | yep |
| 13:09.16 | valdyn | pablo: i dont do statistics, but gravity recommends that anyway |
| 13:09.21 | valdyn | !gravity |
| 13:09.21 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover, or loves proprietary drivers |
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| 13:09.26 | valdyn | uh |
| 13:09.29 | abrotman | pablo: the packagers recommend you do that .. |
| 13:09.43 | valdyn | dpkg: gravity is also debians X maintainer |
| 13:09.43 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 13:09.57 | abrotman | not really anymore |
| 13:10.01 | valdyn | uh |
| 13:10.09 | enouf | XStrikeForce |
| 13:10.23 | valdyn | !gravity |
| 13:10.23 | dpkg | gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover, or loves proprietary drivers, or debians X maintainer |
| 13:10.42 | valdyn | now how do i fix that factoid.. |
| 13:10.47 | valdyn | !literal gravity |
| 13:10.48 | dpkg | "gravity" is "<reply> gravity rules, or a botaphile, or someone who has a mighty wang of doom, or the pwm pimp, or it pays to discover, or loves proprietary drivers, or debians X maintainer" |
| 13:11.31 | valdyn | dpkg: gravity =~ s/, or debians X maintainer/./ |
| 13:11.31 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 13:11.47 | abrotman | valdyn: he's been busy IRL, not much time lately |
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| 13:13.58 | nukisen | Hi all i do have an notepad from fujitsu siemens. Wich debian ver is the best for me to install on it |
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| 13:14.27 | valdyn | nukisen: i have a bmw, how fast can it drive? |
| 13:14.34 | nukisen | I am not sure what diff it is |
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| 13:14.53 | nukisen | It is an amilo 1703something |
| 13:14.58 | nukisen | Amd sempron |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | nukisen: i386 |
| 13:15.10 | nukisen | THX |
| 13:15.13 | nukisen | :) |
| 13:15.17 | abrotman | nukisen: and then you can use the -686 kenrel after install |
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| 13:15.38 | nukisen | Does the wireless config itself from scratch |
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| 13:15.51 | valdyn | nukisen: unlikely |
| 13:16.05 | valdyn | nukisen: i dont know the chip though |
| 13:16.23 | nukisen | I did install ubuntu on it but i cant get the wireless connection to work |
| 13:16.40 | valdyn | nukisen: then you wont get it to work on debian either |
| 13:16.45 | liable | fujitsu seem to like broadcoms iirc |
| 13:16.47 | enouf | !laptop |
| 13:16.47 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
| 13:17.02 | valdyn | nukisen: or in other words, its your method, not the distro that make it work or not |
| 13:17.23 | nukisen | oki |
| 13:17.41 | valdyn | nukisen: maybe you will find debian support more useful |
| 13:17.47 | nukisen | hmm |
| 13:17.52 | nukisen | Yes maybe |
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| 13:18.28 | nukisen | but i am also a little curious about debian |
| 13:18.36 | nukisen | have never tried it :) |
| 13:18.39 | enouf | bullgard4: you there? you have a Fujitsu Siemens laptop Amilio something? |
| 13:18.47 | nukisen | yes |
| 13:19.13 | nukisen | La 1703 to be exact |
| 13:19.48 | nukisen | An amilo La 1703 with sempron inside and 2gb ram |
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| 13:20.07 | valdyn | nukisen: use lenny btw |
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| 13:20.16 | nukisen | ?? |
| 13:20.22 | valdyn | !etch |
| 13:20.22 | dpkg | etch is probably the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r6>, or the Etch-A-Sketch magic screen |
| 13:20.24 | valdyn | !lenny |
| 13:20.24 | nukisen | what is lenny |
| 13:20.24 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
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| 13:21.21 | DevilChaos | hey guys am having problems with /etc/fstab i have 2 hd's that i want it to mount on boot and think i might not have it set correctly any suggestions would be appreciated 2 lines to follow |
| 13:21.37 | DevilChaos | mount -t ext3 /dev/hdg1 /home/devil/Desktop/mp3/ |
| 13:21.46 | DevilChaos | oops |
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| 13:22.16 | nukisen | I think i will try i386 |
| 13:22.28 | nukisen | and se how it works |
| 13:22.37 | DevilChaos | dev/hde1 /home/devil/Desktop/Archive ext3 rw,norootsquash 0 0 |
| 13:23.01 | DevilChaos | dev/hdg1 /home/devil/Desktop/mp3 ext3 rw,norootsquash 0 0 |
| 13:23.04 | nukisen | then maybe i will see you guys again inside debian |
| 13:23.11 | nukisen | C U |
| 13:23.11 | ryanhaigh | anyone have any experience setting up bluetooth headsets with lenny? |
| 13:23.27 | ryanhaigh | or in general i guess |
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| 13:24.09 | DevilChaos | does there have to be usr in there next to rw, norootsquash? |
| 13:24.19 | dutchfish | hi, which channel to discuss debian lenny's beta-installer 2 issues? |
| 13:24.23 | DevilChaos | or auto? |
| 13:24.36 | abrotman | dutchfish: you can try here or #debian-boot on oftc |
| 13:24.48 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, ill give it shot |
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| 13:25.27 | DevilChaos | any suggestions guys? |
| 13:26.21 | dutchfish | When i install through lenny beta installer 2, machine get uresponsive, trying to pxe/netboot with Etch and pre-etch all works, after tweaking the installer with kernel 2.6.25-x latest it also works, but not go with its provied kernel 2.6.26-1, how to debug this? |
| 13:27.13 | abrotman | dutchfish: tried a daily? |
| 13:27.20 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, sure |
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| 13:28.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, i have many more problems with 2.6.26-1 mostly waved away with the argument "its BIOS related" wich it isnt, because 2.6.27.10 and 2.6.28 work as well |
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| 13:29.20 | abrotman | dutchfish: you'll probably want to tell the instller team |
| 13:29.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, i am very much convinced now that 2.6.26-1 has seriuous issues |
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| 13:29.39 | transmissiond-pr | hi |
| 13:29.53 | transmissiond-pr | i have a problem with transmission |
| 13:30.48 | transmissiond-pr | i have 3 procces with the same name but different pid they use the same memory but 2 always are sleeping |
| 13:31.01 | transmissiond-pr | can someone help me? |
| 13:31.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, so far, what i discovered takes almost a book to write all out, most graving ones: 2.6.26-1 <=> latest udev, udev issues as well (wich i ported back, and that solved some of them), the old udev works splenedit as well, mtrr issues, and new naming convention issues etc etc |
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| 13:32.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, this turns out to getting a real nightmare |
| 13:32.27 | dutchfish | transmissiond-pr, just ask (in detail) please |
| 13:32.47 | transmissiond-pr | in detail? |
| 13:32.53 | DevilChaos | yes lol |
| 13:33.09 | dutchfish | transmissiond-pr, what version, what kernel, what debian? |
| 13:33.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: and no kernel options help? like turning off acpi or apic ? |
| 13:33.34 | transmissiond-pr | not debian |
| 13:33.37 | transmissiond-pr | its oleg |
| 13:33.45 | abrotman | then you're in the wrong channel, try ##linux |
| 13:33.50 | transmissiond-pr | the firmware of the router |
| 13:33.54 | nukisen | I am now dragging the 3dvd iso files to home see what happens |
| 13:34.07 | nukisen | :D |
| 13:34.09 | DevilChaos | abrotman do you have any understanding of fstab at all? |
| 13:34.17 | nukisen | It will take a while |
| 13:34.29 | dutchfish | abrotman, some do, but not for the most graving ones, i even made some tests with dif .config to sort out the criticals, and some i can solve now .... but some go beyond my understanding |
| 13:34.37 | abrotman | DevilChaos: is that option allowed for ext3 ? |
| 13:34.56 | transmissiond-pr | can be same process but whith different pid? |
| 13:34.57 | abrotman | dutchfish: so you figured out which chunk of code trips it ? |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | transmissiond-pr: you're in the wrong channel |
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| 13:35.17 | DevilChaos | it should be it waorked in 32 bit arch recently changed to 64 |
| 13:35.25 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | DevilChaos: is there an error ? or it just doesn't work the wya you thought it should ? |
| 13:35.58 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes 1: the hools for udev 2. 32bit is not thta much affected it is mostly in the arch amd_64 3. mtrr naming conventions and its changes in 2.6.26-1 |
| 13:36.05 | dutchfish | s/hools/hooks |
| 13:36.24 | abrotman | dutchfish: did you try the .26 that hit lenny yesterday ? |
| 13:36.42 | dutchfish | abrotman, worked all the night though ;) yes |
| 13:36.43 | DevilChaos | well am not sure it should just mount it on start up because i am getting it mounted via mount -t ext3 folder on desktop |
| 13:36.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: you can try #debian-boot or #debian-kernel |
| 13:37.18 | dutchfish | abrotman, or even #udev i gues |
| 13:38.17 | dutchfish | abrotman, sigh ... 2.6.26 is a mess |
| 13:38.50 | abrotman | dutchfish: it works fine here .. but every kernel since before etch was released has too :) |
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| 13:39.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, my final thought: userland has not adepted istelf to all the new conventions that came in during 2.6.25.2 and later |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | i guess this laptop started as sarge ... |
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| 13:39.37 | abrotman | dutchfish: if you think that's the case, you can file bugs |
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| 13:39.50 | abrotman | lenny is too close to release to switch kenrels |
| 13:40.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, did some already, but for some i need to dig a bit deeper till i clearly understand |
| 13:40.11 | DevilChaos | googling should help i think al try that |
| 13:40.29 | DevilChaos | abrotman is that from etch 'n' half kernel? |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | dutchfish: but asking the -kernel or -boot might get it more visibility |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | DevilChaos: is who? |
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| 13:40.49 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 13:40.55 | dutchfish | abrotman, if lenny is that close, put some heavy sand sacks for the door, and put your best helmet on :( |
| 13:41.20 | abrotman | dutchfish: no i'm serious .. if you have issues, go talk to the people in charge of those items |
| 13:41.23 | DevilChaos | saying changing kernel the next new release being the one after etch 'n' half kernel? |
| 13:41.37 | abrotman | dutchfish: there's no point in releasing a system that fails all over the place |
| 13:41.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, thank you a will do that |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | DevilChaos: not making sense! |
| 13:42.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, my point, yes |
| 13:42.09 | abrotman | DevilChaos: and if you don't want it to mount on boot, use 'noauto' |
| 13:42.10 | DevilChaos | never mind |
| 13:42.38 | DevilChaos | i do though |
| 13:43.04 | DevilChaos | want it to mount on boot |
| 13:43.07 | dutchfish | abrotman, i first disect if it is installer related, then i will disect the kernel issues with old udev, then i will report |
| 13:43.18 | abrotman | DevilChaos: do you get errors, or does it not work as expected ? |
| 13:43.30 | abrotman | dutchfish: you might do better to ask them, they might already know |
| 13:43.50 | dutchfish | abrotman, mm... there you have a good point, ok, i will do |
| 13:44.20 | dutchfish | abrotman, so i gues for that the debian devls? |
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| 13:44.44 | abrotman | dutchfish: some of the people there are .. |
| 13:44.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, ofcnet debian mentors? |
| 13:45.10 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
| 13:45.23 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, but what channel? |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | #debian-boot or #debian-kernel .. depending where you want to start |
| 13:45.52 | dutchfish | ok, thanks a bunch! |
| 13:46.01 | DevilChaos | var/log/messages states the use of e2fsck what ever that is |
| 13:46.32 | DevilChaos | should i replace ext3 with auto? |
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| 13:47.19 | abrotman | it wants you to run e2fsck ? |
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| 13:47.36 | Fixer | Greetings! |
| 13:47.57 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 13:48.14 | Fixer | How I can mount windows xp dynamical volume in Debian Lenny |
| 13:48.16 | Fixer | ? |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | an ntfs volume ? |
| 13:48.41 | Fixer | yes |
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| 13:49.24 | abrotman | there's already a kernel driver for RO access .. /msg dpkg ntfs3g for RW access |
| 13:49.46 | Fixer | I known that ubuntu mount it automatically, but in debian I see only SFS volume in cfdisk. |
| 13:49.52 | Fixer | know* |
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| 13:50.33 | dutchfish | Fixer, just to inform you cfdisk has grace issues, what does fdisk -l tells you? |
| 13:50.53 | DevilChaos | Fixer: in console type mount -t ntfs /dev/your partition you want mounted and creat a folder on desktop |
| 13:51.02 | DevilChaos | what should look like this |
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| 13:51.32 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 13:51.32 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman> <usb mount> |
| 13:51.47 | Fixer | DevilChaos: no, I have 3 ntfs partitions but in debian I see only one big partitio(sfs) |
| 13:51.57 | DevilChaos | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 or whatever /home/(username)/Desktop/newfolder created |
| 13:52.23 | Fixer | DevilChaos: wont work |
| 13:52.35 | abrotman | so it's not really ntfs |
| 13:52.37 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | Fixer: did you try the ntfs-3g driver yet? |
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| 13:53.11 | DevilChaos | what about df -h command ? |
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| 13:53.24 | abrotman | !ntfs-3g |
| 13:53.24 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 13:53.36 | Fixer | I've installed it, edit my fstab, but ntfs partitions don't mount |
| 13:53.45 | Fixer | edited* |
| 13:54.00 | DevilChaos | print the line from fstab please? |
| 13:54.10 | Fixer | df -h dont tell anythink about ntfs |
| 13:54.21 | abrotman | df only does mounted volumes |
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| 13:54.54 | Fixer | Sorry, but i am i in windows for now, Will reboot later |
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| 13:55.33 | DevilChaos | Fixer just scrap windows and use linux life is much better with debian lol |
| 13:56.08 | Fixer | sfdisk tells that i have one partition instead of 3 |
| 13:56.36 | Fixer | i have 2 disks: /dev/hda and /dev/sda |
| 13:56.49 | DevilChaos | sda being removable? |
| 13:56.53 | Fixer | no |
| 13:57.08 | Fixer | first is pata, scond is sata |
| 13:58.07 | DevilChaos | do lspci? and hwinfo ? you might need to install hwinfo via apt if you havent got it already! |
| 13:59.03 | Fixer | but why? Debian see /dev/sda correctly. Only a problem with FS mounting |
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| 13:59.41 | Fixer | I see some SFS volume but not 3 ntfs volumes |
| 14:00.15 | DevilChaos | have you created a new folder on your desktop? |
| 14:00.29 | DevilChaos | name it sfs |
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| 14:00.50 | Fixer | SFS means filesystem type |
| 14:00.55 | DevilChaos | i know |
| 14:01.12 | DevilChaos | done that? |
| 14:01.19 | Fixer | but in ubuntu i see 3 ntfs voulmes, in debian - one sfs volume |
| 14:01.44 | DevilChaos | dude forget ubuntu |
| 14:02.00 | Fixer | hmm |
| 14:02.01 | DevilChaos | creat the folder for me please? |
| 14:02.09 | Fixer | I'am in windows |
| 14:02.20 | DevilChaos | aw turd soz a forgot |
| 14:02.41 | DevilChaos | reboot then come back? |
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| 14:03.04 | Fixer | i'll reboot but not now |
| 14:03.18 | DevilChaos | anyway why are you in winblows then come on here with the problem you chould be in linux to we may help sort it lol |
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| 14:03.34 | Fixer | :)) |
| 14:04.10 | Fixer | ok |
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| 14:05.09 | DevilChaos | ok np well try mount -t sfs /dev/hd whatever /home/(username)/Desktop/sfs and see what happens make sure you do this as root user and creation of folder is done via nromal user account |
| 14:05.21 | Dionix | i need help with parted, i'm trying to resize my ext3 partition, but it says i have unsupported features, and to use tune2fs or debugfs to remove those features, i have a list of supported features, but no idea how to make my harddrive fall into those parameters |
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| 14:06.11 | DevilChaos | dionix repartition only im afraid i have been down that road and lvm is the way to go for resizing partitions later on if you wish |
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| 14:06.24 | Dionix | lvm eh? |
| 14:06.37 | DevilChaos | which ext3 partition is it? |
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| 14:06.43 | Dionix | /dev/sda2 |
| 14:06.46 | DevilChaos | lol thats what i said |
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| 14:07.15 | DevilChaos | yes but is it /, /boot , /home?# |
| 14:07.27 | Dionix | it's root / |
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| 14:07.45 | DevilChaos | google lvm partitons it will give you a breakdown of what it is |
| 14:07.49 | Dionix | can't |
| 14:07.56 | Dionix | stuck on a shitty livecd |
| 14:08.03 | Dionix | =\ |
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| 14:08.15 | DevilChaos | nothing wrong with a livecd |
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| 14:08.30 | Dionix | i might get textual webbrowsing |
| 14:08.30 | DevilChaos | what cant you do? |
| 14:08.31 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 14:08.32 | Dionix | but no x |
| 14:08.45 | man_in_shack | is there a way to tell what compression algorithm a particular .deb package uses? |
| 14:08.50 | DevilChaos | what live cd you useing? |
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| 14:09.02 | Dionix | i've got nvidia cards and the nv thing wont' work, some gentoo one i had laying around thank god |
| 14:09.05 | abrotman | man_in_shack: you mena to unpack it? |
| 14:09.06 | Dionix | i run debian |
| 14:09.19 | Dionix | otherwise i'd be uscwap |
| 14:09.31 | man_in_shack | abrotman, more to make sure a flag i used when creating it worked properly |
| 14:09.47 | abrotman | unpack it manually ? |
| 14:10.07 | Dionix | is man'ing lvm |
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| 14:10.40 | DevilChaos | lvm is logical volume manager partitions and it allows the support of resizing without repartitioning altogether but i ended up re-installing debian as a direct result that i could resize with the same problem you have |
| 14:11.01 | DevilChaos | couldnt |
| 14:11.09 | Dionix | hmm |
| 14:11.12 | Dionix | yeah |
| 14:11.13 | Dionix | damn it |
| 14:11.18 | Dionix | thats what i figured |
| 14:11.38 | Dionix | hopefully my buddy has a spare usb harddrive i can dump some crap off onto |
| 14:11.49 | DevilChaos | can i ask what sys arch your using ? |
| 14:11.57 | Dionix | and then i'd have no qualms with reinstalling |
| 14:11.59 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i don't really want to have to unpack it. is there a way to check for what compression was used? |
| 14:11.59 | Dionix | amd |
| 14:12.02 | Dionix | +5 |
| 14:12.03 | Dionix | 64 |
| 14:12.04 | Dionix | err |
| 14:12.06 | Dionix | amd 64 |
| 14:12.07 | asg | !enter |
| 14:12.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:12.12 | DevilChaos | sweet |
| 14:12.18 | Dionix | testing |
| 14:12.19 | DevilChaos | is it athlon? |
| 14:12.22 | Dionix | yeah |
| 14:12.28 | Dionix | 4200 |
| 14:12.29 | DevilChaos | san deago chip? |
| 14:12.33 | Dionix | duno |
| 14:12.53 | DevilChaos | i thinkm it is cant remember |
| 14:13.29 | DevilChaos | stable is best for the amd64 install but as i understand the kernel is only at 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 14:13.34 | DevilChaos | at the moment |
| 14:13.44 | Dionix | i've ran testing since 2000 |
| 14:13.46 | abrotman | there is a .24 for etch in etchnhalf |
| 14:13.50 | Dionix | on every computer i've had |
| 14:13.57 | Dionix | shrugs |
| 14:14.13 | Dionix | at least i'm not crazy enough to run sid |
| 14:14.23 | DevilChaos | cool what ram and gc you got? |
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| 14:14.45 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:14.46 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:14.48 | DevilChaos | motherboard etc |
| 14:14.51 | Dionix | 2 gigs ram and 2 nvidia 7100's pcie |
| 14:15.04 | Dionix | gigabyte motherboard |
| 14:15.05 | DevilChaos | oops sorry |
| 14:15.16 | Dionix | i forget the model but i have the box next to me |
| 14:15.25 | DevilChaos | dionix pm for hardware chat |
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| 14:15.42 | scientes | what could be 451 Temporary local problem - please try later |
| 14:15.42 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:15.54 | Dionix | ga-m55sli-s4 mobo |
| 14:16.08 | codeshepherd | how do i find the version of a installed package in debian.. say version of lighttpd |
| 14:16.20 | asg | scientes: couldn't write to filesystem, out of inodes, over quota ... could be lots of things |
| 14:16.27 | DevilChaos | anyway sounds good dude hope you get your problem fixed i have to sort mine out now |
| 14:16.29 | scientes | its a fresh install |
| 14:16.47 | DevilChaos | cheers abrotman for your input |
| 14:16.57 | scientes | with plenty of space etc, but its behind a NAT for ipv4 |
| 14:17.26 | scientes | i get nothing in my log |
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| 14:18.32 | asg | scientes: nothing in /var/log/exim4/mainlog? |
| 14:18.57 | asg | scientes: does 'exim -bt <user>' indicate any issues. |
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| 14:19.32 | scientes | even for lounroutable address |
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| 14:19.38 | scientes | *unroutable address |
| 14:20.06 | scientes | temporarily rejected |
| 14:20.09 | renton_ | hello i have some problem with pam_fprint, i record my fingerprint, when i have to login, i have to do more trys to be recognized correctly. |
| 14:20.14 | scientes | maybe greylisting is on by default? |
| 14:20.33 | scientes | even though im trying to send mail not deliver it |
| 14:20.59 | renton_ | i believe that the "enroll" procedure should record more than one time my fingerprint.. but seems it is not possible to record with more accuracy my fingerprints.. |
| 14:21.00 | asg | scientes: no, unroutable generally means what it says. See if 'exim -d -bt <user>' provides more information. |
| 14:21.12 | scientes | but its the machines hostname |
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| 14:21.50 | scientes | it even says root@localhost unroutable |
| 14:21.58 | asg | scientes: have you configured exim correctly? (i.e., dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) |
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| 14:23.39 | lord_rob_ | Hi, does lenny live CD allow to install debian ? |
| 14:23.45 | leinad_ | hi there, is there any way to install php in version 4 from packages (dont want to compile) ?? |
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| 14:23.56 | scientes | yes asg |
| 14:24.18 | asg | scientes: can you pastebin the output of 'exim -d -bt <address>'? |
| 14:24.43 | leinad_ | i need distro with update2date packages but with php4 in its repository, is there any chancess ?? |
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| 14:24.46 | scientes | http://pastebin.com/m74769c1c |
| 14:24.56 | asg | leinad_: 4 is deprecated and no longer gets security support. |
| 14:25.25 | scientes | i dont get what its complaining about |
| 14:25.30 | leinad_ | i know, but client got some app, written in php4 (big one) and i need to set it up really fast |
| 14:26.02 | asg | scientes: it's complaining because localhost is not in +local_domains |
| 14:26.26 | asg | leinad_: you may need to use an older CentOS (v3 or v4) |
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| 14:26.40 | themill | leinad_: etch has php4 |
| 14:26.57 | asg | themill: not here it doesn't |
| 14:27.10 | asg | nevermind, I'm a moron |
| 14:27.16 | asg | leinad_: ^^^ |
| 14:27.17 | themill | judd versions php4 |
| 14:27.18 | judd | themill: php4 -- etch: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 etch-security: 6:4.4.4-8+etch6 |
| 14:27.40 | scientes | it says localhost and the FQDN are always in local domains |
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| 14:28.42 | asg | scientes: not in your config from the looks of it. |
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| 14:28.50 | marctw | hey ppl. I have a keyboard layout issue with Xming, anyone using a non-english layout who is able to recall how on earth the got it working properly? |
| 14:28.54 | marctw | I can't really tell if it's the x-applications on the virtualbox:ed debian that is playing games with me or if it's Xming... |
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| 14:29.54 | bullgard4 | enouf: Sorry, I have been absent. Yes, I do have a Fujitsu Siemens laptop Amilio something. But I lent it to friend for several month yet. |
| 14:30.09 | deepfriedsquirre | Hello |
| 14:30.14 | deepfriedsquirre | I'm not able to install the NVIDIA driver debian:/home/ed# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64-source |
| 14:30.14 | deepfriedsquirre | nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64-source, what is nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64-source? |
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| 14:30.42 | bullgard4 | enouf: s/month/months |
| 14:31.23 | deepfriedsquirre | Forget it, I was being silly |
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| 14:32.24 | deepfriedsquirre | Hmm, why is nvidia-kernel-source not in the repo? |
| 14:32.25 | djcip | hey |
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| 14:32.35 | djcip | so i |
| 14:32.51 | theholyduck | deepfriedsquirre, do you have contrib and non-free? |
| 14:32.53 | martiiin | Anyone know what this could mean when i start my ventrilo server? ERROR: ServerCreateStream(): bind failed for interface '0.0.0.0', errno = 98. |
| 14:33.20 | djcip | i'm on a desktop - just installed a pci wireless card - ndiswrapper sees the card - says the driver for it is installed properly - now what do i need to install to manage the card graphically from my desktop interface? |
| 14:34.10 | asg | martiiin: does '/sbin/ifconfig' output anything? |
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| 14:35.09 | deepfriedsquirre | theholyduck: ah lol,, thanks |
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| 14:36.01 | nsm | hi everbody |
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| 14:37.18 | scientes | argg someone have the exim.conf template it seemsed to delete itsself |
| 14:38.05 | dutchfish | scientes, did you try dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 14:38.09 | scientes | yes |
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| 14:38.22 | scientes | i even tried remove --purge and reinstall |
| 14:38.27 | bobby | hello |
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| 14:38.39 | dutchfish | scientes, used apt or aptitude? |
| 14:38.44 | scientes | apt-get |
| 14:38.56 | nsm | I have the exim.conf template unmodified |
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| 14:39.11 | scientes | paste pls |
| 14:39.29 | dutchfish | scientes, try aptitude purge eixm4 exim4-common && aptitude clean && aptitude update && aptitude install exim4 |
| 14:39.44 | dutchfish | s/eixm4/exim4 |
| 14:39.58 | bobby | can someone help me with configurin vhost |
| 14:40.17 | bobby | for apache |
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| 14:41.17 | dutchfish | bobby, you read about a2ensite and know how debian does configure apache2? |
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| 14:41.48 | scientes | paste pls nsm |
| 14:41.50 | rouslan | Is Debian pretty secure compared to OpenBSD? |
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| 14:42.36 | dutchfish | rouslan, they are almost the same, but only if configured accordingly |
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| 14:43.17 | dutchfish | rouslan, if you goal is routing/firewall netBSD would be easier to make secure, my 2nd chocie would be debian |
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| 14:44.13 | rouslan | dutchfish: routing/firewall/snort/public server (web, Tor) |
| 14:44.22 | dutchfish | rouslan, you would prolly like to read about more about embedded and running from cd too |
| 14:44.41 | rouslan | dutchfish: I'll just use 2x80 GB software RAID-1 |
| 14:44.43 | dutchfish | rouslan, then on chip would be preferable |
| 14:44.55 | dutchfish | rouslan, ???? |
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| 14:45.19 | dutchfish | rouslan, public server -> never secure |
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| 14:45.41 | dutchfish | rouslan, if your q was how to get a secure LAMP then use debian |
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| 14:46.14 | rouslan | dutchfish: What about just routing/firewall/snort? BSD? |
| 14:46.26 | asg | either would be fine. Use what you know |
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| 14:47.16 | rouslan | And what's wrong with having a web and Tor on a firewall? |
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| 14:47.23 | dutchfish | rouslan, well, depends on your exact needs. That siad i use things like smoothwall, surewall and specialized setups under debian for that, the only thing i would consider BDS would be dedicated firewalling/bridging |
| 14:47.33 | peppe | well, how can you make a _L_amp machine using bsd? >:-P |
| 14:47.53 | dutchfish | s/BDS/BSD |
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| 14:48.06 | asg | peppe: most BSDs can run linux binaries :p |
| 14:48.13 | rouslan | Ok, thanks. |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | cause they got nothing good of their own! :) |
| 14:48.56 | asg | cd /usr/ports/games/abrotmans-mom ; make install clean |
| 14:49.23 | dutchfish | peppe, oh it can, but you wont like it ... |
| 14:49.34 | rouslan | Is it recommended to use SELinux/RSBAC/Pax/etc. with Debian? |
| 14:49.38 | abrotman | asg: unpossible :) |
| 14:49.45 | dutchfish | peppe, its ... well ... very rigid |
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| 14:50.50 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 14:50.57 | dutchfish | peppe, rouslan walk the XEN or KVM path, use the best out of both worlds ;) |
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| 14:51.13 | asg | rouslan: if you know how they work, then use them. If you don't you'll likely make mistakes that reduce the security of your system. |
| 14:51.50 | dutchfish | asg, excellent point |
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| 14:53.06 | asg | !8ball is it time for a beer? |
| 14:53.06 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
| 14:53.08 | asg | !8ball is it time for a beer? |
| 14:54.12 | dutchfish | !beer asg |
| 14:54.12 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for asg |
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| 14:56.49 | serfurj | how can I restore a pristine version of a file from a package? |
| 14:57.43 | abrotman | serfurj: depends on which file |
| 14:57.55 | dutchfish | serfurj, download the packages with the "no-install" option and extract it? |
| 14:57.56 | serfurj | abrotman: /etc/vsftpd.conf |
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| 14:58.15 | asg | dutchfish: sadly, only a miller lite is available in the beer fridge at this time |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | serfurj: move it out of the way, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | !irritate asg |
| 14:58.25 | dpkg | asg: hi every1 who uses cable thx |
| 14:58.39 | dutchfish | asg, ah. you should come over here, some cold ones waiting ;) |
| 14:58.51 | serfurj | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:58.59 | dutchfish | asg, the joke about this is, i dont drink .... |
| 14:59.07 | abrotman | much |
| 14:59.08 | asg | dutchfish: however, lunch will be full of Guinness so all is not lost |
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| 14:59.26 | dutchfish | asg, for guiness i make an exeception :) |
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| 15:00.31 | asg | dutchfish: :) |
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| 15:00.43 | deepfriedsquirre | Hello |
| 15:00.57 | abrotman | asg: i think this guy is from your neck of the woods |
| 15:01.20 | asg | abrotman: the ex-pat neck or the current neck? |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | current |
| 15:02.21 | asg | abrotman: who, dutchfish? |
| 15:02.22 | deepfriedsquirre | I did dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server afgter using mdoule-assistant to install my nvidia driver but ti didn't ask me to select nvidia or glx. So, I got and ran nvidia-xconfig, which said something like that I needed to specify a device driver, but I lost the stdout because my terminal scrolled too much afterwards :-( |
| 15:02.27 | dutchfish | mumbles ..why are all the telescopes pointing away from earth in search for intelligent live? |
| 15:02.33 | abrotman | asg: the deepfried guy :) |
| 15:02.36 | asg | oh |
| 15:02.42 | deepfriedsquirre | Still, xorg seems to be working nicely witht he new driver... I just want to make sure I've done things safely. |
| 15:02.42 | abrotman | deepfriedsquirre: which versoin of debian ? |
| 15:02.46 | deepfriedsquirre | lenny |
| 15:02.48 | deepfriedsquirre | thanks |
| 15:03.00 | abrotman | if it seems to owrk .. what could be wrong! |
| 15:03.04 | abrotman | besides my keyboard |
| 15:03.21 | deepfriedsquirre | I just don't want my computer to explode because the graphics card went mad. |
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| 15:03.26 | nsm | I have couple of ext3 partitions for my data. I need to mount them in |
| 15:03.26 | nsm | such a way that all the files created on those partitions would always |
| 15:03.26 | nsm | bear a umask which is different from the umask globally set in |
| 15:03.26 | nsm | /etc/profile. How do I achieve this? |
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| 15:04.01 | dutchfish | !tell msn about pastebin |
| 15:04.06 | abrotman | nsm ? |
| 15:04.10 | nsm | hi |
| 15:04.27 | nsm | sorry |
| 15:04.33 | nsm | i have a question |
| 15:04.39 | asg | nsm: if your users use the same shell (i.e. bash) you could probably write a shell function to set the umask when a user cds to a directory. Ask #bash for particulars. |
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| 15:07.06 | nsm | Isnt a better way to share a partition? |
| 15:07.32 | asg | nsm: define 'share a partition?' |
| 15:08.17 | nsm | I have a lot of users in my desktop computer |
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| 15:08.45 | dutchfish | nsm, at the same time? |
| 15:09.17 | nsm | no |
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| 15:10.03 | nsm | i need that the files some user create can be modified by other user |
| 15:10.50 | dutchfish | nsm, http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 15:10.51 | asg | nsm: you could mount the filesystem with the umask and dmask options that you require |
| 15:10.52 | nsm | something like the umask of fat for ext3 |
| 15:11.47 | sugoruyo | hi all, i've just installed lenny on my pc and i'd like to get going with some desktop stuff first, for instance i want to add software repos but all i have is the security repo in my sources.list (plus the installation dvd) |
| 15:12.23 | dutchfish | sugoruyo, you have to setup /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:12.28 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 15:12.31 | sugoruyo | is there a recommended way for doing this kind of stuff on lenny or do i just go into the sources.list and type in new lines? |
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| 15:12.44 | KomiaPoika | when trying to install nvidia driver i get: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. but i already installed build-essential and kernel-source. what am i missing? |
| 15:12.56 | sugoruyo | if so, where do i get those lines, is there some sort of documentation for that? |
| 15:13.00 | nsm | asg: can i use umask in ext3? |
| 15:13.01 | LucretiaLaptop | just installed debian-testing, do i still need th ipw2100 firmware to use wpa wireless? |
| 15:13.02 | theholyduck | sugoruyo, shouldnt it come with like one real mirror aswell? |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | KomiaPoika: linux-headers package for your kernel |
| 15:13.12 | dutchfish | sugoruyo, yes, as long as you can trust the repo! normally this is not needed because debian itself has a huge packagelist in its default repo |
| 15:13.25 | theholyduck | dutchfish, i think hes saying he dont have the default repo |
| 15:13.26 | theholyduck | or something |
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| 15:13.36 | asg | nsm: sadly, no. ACLs as dutchfish mentioned are worth looking at. |
| 15:13.38 | dutchfish | theholyduck, ah ic |
| 15:13.39 | abrotman | sugoruyo: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 15:14.00 | theholyduck | dutchfish, all i have is the norwegian sid mirror with main, contrib and non-free |
| 15:14.01 | nsm | ok, thanks |
| 15:14.02 | sugoruyo | theholyduck, i think it should but it didn't, maybe it has something to do with me not setting it to use a net mirror during the install |
| 15:14.03 | theholyduck | + debian-multimedia |
| 15:14.09 | KomiaPoika | abrotman: thx |
| 15:14.22 | theholyduck | since quite honestly. the base debian media stuff is SHITE |
| 15:15.12 | dutchfish | theholyduck, if you stick to plain debian repos, you are far better of, i avoid it at all costs except for bpo |
| 15:15.44 | theholyduck | dutchfish, well i got a plain debian mirror + debian-multimedia wich just replaces all the media packages |
| 15:15.47 | theholyduck | with non crippled ones |
| 15:15.52 | sugoruyo | http://pastebin.com/d3d509f7 |
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| 15:16.05 | abrotman | sugoruyo: which country are you in? |
| 15:16.11 | sugoruyo | greece |
| 15:16.18 | abrotman | sugoruyo: moment |
| 15:16.32 | sugoruyo | theholyduck, what is debian-multimedia? |
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| 15:16.52 | theholyduck | sugoruyo, just a extra repository i use so i can have non shitty ffmpeg, mplayer and mencoder |
| 15:17.02 | dutchfish | theholyduck, on one of my expirimental systems i found that vlc is hosed by using them |
| 15:17.03 | abrotman | sugoruyo: add "deb http://ftp.duth.gr/debian lenny main contrib" |
| 15:17.11 | abrotman | sugoruyo: to your sources.list |
| 15:17.13 | sugoruyo | cool, i use those all the time |
| 15:17.13 | theholyduck | dutchfish, who cares though |
| 15:17.22 | theholyduck | dutchfish, vlc is the worst media player |
| 15:17.24 | theholyduck | in history |
| 15:17.26 | theholyduck | infact. in some areas |
| 15:17.30 | theholyduck | its MORE broken than windows media player |
| 15:17.33 | sugoruyo | abrotman, how did you get this line? |
| 15:17.34 | dutchfish | theholyduck, just an example |
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| 15:17.48 | theholyduck | dutchfish, i've never had any problems using debian-multimedia though |
| 15:17.55 | theholyduck | and i've been using it on Sid for YEARS |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | sugoruyo: i used to oracle of delphi .. and some snakeoil |
| 15:18.15 | abrotman | sugoruyo: debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 15:18.27 | abrotman | sugoruyo: man sources.list |
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| 15:18.49 | sugoruyo | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:18.59 | sugoruyo | i'll try to find one closer to me |
| 15:19.32 | dutchfish | sugoruyo, http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 15:20.02 | madmac2501 | hi |
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| 15:20.32 | sugoruyo | dutchfish, what's all that mean though? |
| 15:21.07 | madmac2501 | i would like to know how debian distribution is generated from down to top, something "like linux from scratch" but focused on debian |
| 15:21.14 | dutchfish | sugoruyo, the status of the debian mirrors |
| 15:21.14 | madmac2501 | there is any documentation about this? |
| 15:21.33 | sugoruyo | that's not very good now is it? |
| 15:21.35 | dutchfish | sugoruyo, at the bottom is a legenda |
| 15:22.05 | newsense | is there a way to check how many rpm's my hdd is without opening up the case? |
| 15:22.07 | abrotman | !dos |
| 15:22.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, dos is denial of service or the OS with all the good games ;). Dodgy Operating System |
| 15:22.09 | abrotman | !docs |
| 15:22.09 | dpkg | Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>. |
| 15:22.12 | abrotman | oh .. grr |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | madmac2501: debian.org/docs |
| 15:22.23 | abrotman | madmac2501: good place to start |
| 15:22.45 | abrotman | newsense: hwinfo perhaps |
| 15:22.48 | dutchfish | newsense, hdparm maybe? |
| 15:22.49 | sugoruyo | ok i |
| 15:23.02 | madmac2501 | abrotman: i get url not found |
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| 15:23.11 | newsense | cool thanks didnt think either displayed that but havent used em in a while |
| 15:23.23 | madmac2501 | ah, there was an extra 's' |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | madmac2501: sorry .. no s .. debian.org/doc |
| 15:23.54 | madmac2501 | in which file is explained how debian is generated? |
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| 15:23.55 | smacnay | Is there a recommended password manager? I would like something that is accessible from any app if possible or at least easily accesible from the toolbar. I am using Gnome, mostly. |
| 15:24.32 | sugoruyo | ok i made a new line in sources.list and now i'm getting more packages |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | smacnay: i kind of like Revelation |
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| 15:25.16 | sugoruyo | did something in the way X is configured? |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 15:25.30 | sugoruyo | i remember there used to be mode lines in xorg.conf |
| 15:25.36 | pif | what's wrong with the gnome keyring? |
| 15:25.36 | sugoruyo | now i can't find any |
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| 15:25.41 | abrotman | sugoruyo: did you install etch or lenny ? |
| 15:25.42 | martiiin | Anyone know what this could mean when i start my ventrilo server? ERROR: ServerCreateStream(): bind failed for interface '0.0.0.0', errno = 98. |
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| 15:25.44 | sugoruyo | and set up the proper resolution |
| 15:25.49 | sugoruyo | abrotman, lenny |
| 15:26.03 | abrotman | pif: i think he means for websites? like storing your yahoo password |
| 15:26.07 | asg | martiiin: does /sbin/ifconfig output anything? |
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| 15:26.20 | abrotman | sugoruyo: hopefully won't be needed .. x tries to autoguess a lot of that stuff now |
| 15:26.35 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - I will look into that one |
| 15:26.36 | pif | firefox does that |
| 15:26.39 | sugoruyo | yeah, but it didn't get my monitor's res right |
| 15:26.43 | dutchfish | newsense, smartmontools is maybe another option, some disk report through this system there rpm |
| 15:26.53 | sugoruyo | so now i'm seeing everything distorted |
| 15:27.35 | newsense | dutchfish, im running hdparm now but i dont see anything about it yet if not ill look at that its nice to have installed anyways dont know why i dont have it now |
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| 15:27.53 | abrotman | pif: not everything is a website |
| 15:28.10 | aphexer | I'm constantly seeing dns queries for the root nameservers going out on my network cable. How do I find out which process is sending those? |
| 15:28.44 | dv_ | hello |
| 15:29.00 | dutchfish | martiiin, you have another copy of ventrilo already running on the same port |
| 15:29.03 | dv_ | is it possible to find out which installed packages were downloaded from a certain repository? |
| 15:29.13 | sugoruyo | anyone got an idea about how i can add a new mode for my monitor? |
| 15:29.50 | abrotman | X -configure |
| 15:30.03 | abrotman | dv_: hold on |
| 15:30.36 | amitz | sugoruyo: probably you can also use xrandr if your driver support it. xrandr --addmode ... |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | !tell dv_ about list repositories |
| 15:31.08 | sugoruyo | amitz, i've heard of xrandr before, i'm looking up the man page |
| 15:31.11 | aphexer | !tell aphexer about list repositories |
| 15:31.18 | abrotman | !tell aphexer about selftell |
| 15:31.43 | dutchfish | dv_, i wish it was logged in /var/log/aptitude , maybe report it as wishlist ;) |
| 15:31.45 | amitz | sugoruyo: there is #xorg , but it's not very active. |
| 15:32.32 | abrotman | dutchfish: /msg dpkg list repositories |
| 15:33.11 | amitz | Is there any command line to wake up a monitor(s)? |
| 15:33.25 | dutchfish | abrotman, excellent! |
| 15:33.34 | abrotman | dutchfish: you're scaring me |
| 15:33.46 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 15:34.23 | dv_ | and is there a command to remove all packages from repository X? |
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| 15:38.43 | newsense | couldnt get the rpm for the drive but i guess i can always google it should have just did that to begin with but i was a little curious if there was a way to check it |
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| 15:41.16 | dutchfish | newsense, it wont solve your q, but nice to know: http://www.linuxinsight.com/how_fast_is_your_disk.html |
| 15:41.38 | newsense | dutchfish, thanks ill have look |
| 15:41.43 | valdyn | aphexer: you mean TO the root nameservers? |
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| 15:42.41 | scientes | why is starttls and postfix such a pain |
| 15:42.56 | newsense | dutchfish, thanks exactly what i was looking for after i found out what speed i was going to move on to benchmarking |
| 15:43.09 | dutchfish | newsense, ;) |
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| 15:43.40 | newsense | maybe i should have read the whole man page and not just the usage for hdparm :) |
| 15:43.57 | aphexer | valdyn: sorry, no I meant to some other box and the query asks NS? . |
| 15:44.05 | dutchfish | newsense, smartmontools can tell you what disk you have so searching with those params on google is a breeze |
| 15:44.40 | newsense | yeah i plan on using the daemon too from what i remember it will aleret you of possible drive failures |
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| 15:45.02 | dutchfish | newsense, yes, and online statuschecks |
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| 15:45.20 | newsense | even better |
| 15:46.01 | shl | I would like to install a very basic debian system in order to run xen. which install CD should I use? I'm looking at etch amd64 netinst image. |
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| 15:46.33 | newsense | everytime i install a new great linux app it just reminds me of how much windows blows |
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| 15:47.02 | dutchfish | shl, etch or lenny? |
| 15:47.33 | abrotman | dutchfish: he said etch |
| 15:47.36 | dutchfish | shl, sorry the netinstall dont use businesscard install |
| 15:47.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, saw that just too late |
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| 15:48.40 | shl | I don't insist on etch. if lenny would be better for a xen system I'll use that |
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| 15:48.47 | dutchfish | shl, use expert setup and select nothing (deselect anything) |
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| 15:49.22 | Dionix | i've been running debian for a long time now, and due to unimportant reasons i'm going to do a reinstall, my question is this, should i check out a different distro? |
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| 15:49.27 | dutchfish | shl, that leaves you with ~250mb before you install xen and its relatives |
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| 15:49.39 | Dionix | i tihnk i'm too lazy to run gentoo, but not lazy enough to run ubuntu |
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| 15:49.54 | shl | and should I run xen on stable (etch) or testing (lenny) |
| 15:49.59 | shl | ? |
| 15:50.10 | dutchfish | shl, lenny is not stable atm for xen use (production system), so dont |
| 15:50.48 | theholyduck | Dionix, well gentoo is shit anyway. |
| 15:50.59 | dutchfish | shl, but it will prolly soon |
| 15:51.01 | theholyduck | actually. its not shit as much as the people creating the ebuilds are pillocks |
| 15:51.22 | theholyduck | but since gentoo pretty much starts and ends with ebuilds. |
| 15:51.32 | shl | dutchfish: what is unstable about it? |
| 15:51.39 | dutchfish | there are no shitty systems, only shitty (read lazy) admins |
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| 15:51.45 | shl | dutchfish: just random occasional crashes, or is there some known bugs ? |
| 15:52.06 | theholyduck | dutchfish, err.. gentoo is shitty in every sense of the word :P |
| 15:52.13 | dutchfish | shl, there are kernel issues |
| 15:52.25 | dutchfish | shl, not solved yet |
| 15:52.27 | Dionix | hmm |
| 15:52.28 | theholyduck | useflags generally have nonsensical names. |
| 15:52.36 | theholyduck | like SRT to enable ssa/ass support in mplayer |
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| 15:53.03 | theholyduck | there is no. USE="SENSIBLEDEFAULTS" |
| 15:53.17 | dutchfish | shl, if you take the Etch road you can run any kernel (also lenny) in the domU's |
| 15:53.34 | dutchfish | shl, as long as you stick to 64bit for dom0 |
| 15:53.35 | theholyduck | thus compiling a ffmpeg or mplayer that can do pretty much everything |
| 15:53.38 | theholyduck | is a massive pain |
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| 15:54.12 | theholyduck | oh and blocked, blackisted packages makes life ooooh so much easier |
| 15:54.14 | theholyduck | etc |
| 15:54.38 | dutchfish | theholyduck, is this a flowerlecture? |
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| 15:54.43 | theholyduck | dutchfish, naw :) |
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| 15:54.52 | theholyduck | im just pointing out that gentoo is shit in pretty much every what |
| 15:54.56 | joansh | Heya all |
| 15:55.07 | theholyduck | if you want a source based distro. pick lunar or whatever.' |
| 15:55.13 | dutchfish | theholyduck, ok thx, but stick to debian issues pleace |
| 15:55.15 | shl | dutchfish: I have not run 64 bit before. It seems like AMD and Intel diverge there? I see IA-64 and AMD64. |
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| 15:56.02 | dutchfish | shl, you need amd64 for intel cpu also, only one important point: does your cpu has VT extensions? |
| 15:56.24 | theholyduck | sh1 i thought ia-64 is just for ithaniums |
| 15:56.25 | shl | dutchfish: that stuff to be able to run Windows in a DomU? |
| 15:56.31 | dutchfish | shl, bingo |
| 15:56.40 | shl | dutchfish: yeah, it has that |
| 15:56.42 | abrotman | theholyduck: it is |
| 15:56.48 | dutchfish | shl, go amd64 then |
| 15:56.59 | shl | dutchfish: i'm going to run it on a bunch of opteron systems |
| 15:57.19 | theholyduck | isnt it called am64 because debian named it when amd was the only ones with a x86 64bit cpu? |
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| 15:57.28 | dutchfish | !amd64 |
| 15:57.29 | dpkg | amd64 is probably the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. <why amd64> |
| 15:57.30 | theholyduck | where as some other distros call it the more correct x86_64 ? |
| 15:57.44 | Dionix | yeah |
| 15:57.59 | Dionix | thats pretty much the jist of it from what i can tell |
| 15:58.02 | dutchfish | because in future all this will be merged |
| 15:58.10 | simonrvn | more or less |
| 15:58.14 | dutchfish | yes |
| 15:58.16 | Dionix | well i guess i'm sticking with debian |
| 15:58.34 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 15:58.34 | dpkg | well, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org. |
| 15:58.34 | Dionix | i think its just the perfect fit |
| 15:58.41 | simonrvn | more to it than that now, but generally yes. |
| 15:58.45 | Dionix | exactly dutchfish |
| 15:58.52 | shl | why is it called AMD64 anyway? it seems very amd specific |
| 15:59.02 | theholyduck | sh1 didnt we JUST say so? |
| 15:59.05 | stew | shl: becuase that's the name amd came up with |
| 15:59.07 | dutchfish | shl, history thing |
| 15:59.08 | abrotman | shl: just the decision they made a long time ago |
| 15:59.16 | Dionix | because amd was the first 64bit proccessors most likely |
| 15:59.20 | Dionix | intel 64 came later |
| 15:59.27 | shl | ic |
| 15:59.34 | simonrvn | Dionix: no, ppc was |
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| 15:59.36 | stew | not the first 64 bit processors by a long shot |
| 15:59.43 | Dionix | well.... ok |
| 15:59.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: not even close :) |
| 15:59.51 | simonrvn | and before *hat* alphas |
| 15:59.55 | simonrvn | that |
| 15:59.56 | Dionix | in the 'build your own' market |
| 15:59.59 | shl | and I can run i386 installs of domU without problems on an AMD64 dom0 ? |
| 16:00.00 | Dionix | hows that |
| 16:00.02 | abrotman | simonrvn: alpha,sparc,mips ... |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | with linux support i mean |
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| 16:00.41 | simonrvn | yeh. i was thinking more common desktop/server/workstation, but that's not even accurate either. |
| 16:00.53 | theholyduck | amd was the first x86 64bit cpu |
| 16:00.59 | theholyduck | would be a more correct statement |
| 16:01.05 | simonrvn | that's accurate |
| 16:01.12 | martiiin | Anyone know what this could mean when i start my ventrilo server? ERROR: ServerCreateStream(): bind failed for interface '0.0.0.0', errno = 98. |
| 16:01.28 | abrotman | theholyduck: technically the ia64 could run x86 code |
| 16:01.34 | simonrvn | what's a ventrilo? |
| 16:01.41 | theholyduck | simonrvn, its like teamspeak |
| 16:01.43 | theholyduck | but properitary |
| 16:01.45 | theholyduck | and higher quality |
| 16:01.56 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 16:02.10 | Dionix | good lord, i swear, do all linux users have to nit pick every technicallity? |
| 16:02.15 | theholyduck | Dionix, yes |
| 16:02.18 | Dionix | knows the answer |
| 16:02.19 | Dionix | yeah |
| 16:02.19 | hifi | Dionix: yes |
| 16:02.20 | Dionix | exactly |
| 16:02.21 | Dionix | lol |
| 16:02.21 | martiiin | nvm solved |
| 16:02.25 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 16:02.31 | hifi | just had to |
| 16:02.57 | theholyduck | Dionix, just wait untill we all become HURD users |
| 16:02.59 | theholyduck | if hurd ever got anywhere |
| 16:03.02 | simonrvn | accuracy in information can mean a booting machine, or a dead drive. |
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| 16:03.31 | theholyduck | its the difference between > /dev/null and >/dev/zero |
| 16:03.50 | shl | if I run a 64 bit xen dom0, can I run 32 bit OS as domU? |
| 16:03.59 | shl | i want to run i386 debian and 32-bit windows 2003 |
| 16:04.08 | theholyduck | sh1 try it. whats the worst that could happen? |
| 16:04.20 | abrotman | time wasted ? |
| 16:04.28 | shl | exactly, time wasted |
| 16:04.35 | theholyduck | sh1 well THEORETICALLY it should work |
| 16:04.36 | shl | and incorrect hardware purchased |
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| 16:04.43 | shl | or incorrect licenses bought from MSoft |
| 16:04.57 | theholyduck | but you could run a x86 xen instead |
| 16:05.05 | joansh | Hi Guys, i was using screen with irssi and mp3blaster and all a sudden it freezed |
| 16:05.16 | theholyduck | joansh, and? |
| 16:05.20 | theholyduck | what are we going to do about it? |
| 16:05.22 | joansh | I have to go another console and use irssi now |
| 16:05.47 | shl | dutchfish: do you have any experience running a 32bit os on 64-bit xen? |
| 16:05.55 | joansh | how do I solve this, that console is still showing mp3blaster, and CTRL + C nothing works.. |
| 16:06.09 | joansh | I have killed the screen process though |
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| 16:08.31 | joansh | how do I refresh that virtual console |
| 16:08.39 | joansh | so I can use it |
| 16:08.51 | theholyduck | if its locked its locked |
| 16:08.59 | theholyduck | try running screen -dr or whatever on another console |
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| 16:09.03 | abrotman | joansh: hit ctrl-q |
| 16:09.04 | theholyduck | and see what happens? |
| 16:09.05 | kcarey | what iso do i need to download if im downloadind debian alpha |
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| 16:09.06 | theholyduck | aah |
| 16:09.07 | theholyduck | you killed it |
| 16:09.08 | theholyduck | sorry :P |
| 16:09.14 | joansh | I sillved it |
| 16:09.15 | abrotman | kcarey: the alpha one :) |
| 16:09.34 | joansh | I did killall getty and now its ok |
| 16:09.46 | joansh | abrotman: what does ctrl + q do ? |
| 16:09.48 | kcarey | well theres like six differebt iso's? |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | joansh: undoes ctrl-s |
| 16:10.08 | Dionix | hmmm |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | kcarey: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/alpha/iso-cd/debian-40r6-alpha-netinst.iso .. should be okay |
| 16:10.19 | joansh | ctrl +s is lock screen ? |
| 16:10.23 | abrotman | pauses |
| 16:10.28 | joansh | oh.. ok |
| 16:10.28 | abrotman | it appears locked i guess |
| 16:10.33 | joansh | Yes |
| 16:10.50 | kcarey | well i need to do an offline install |
| 16:11.18 | joansh | But when I did killall getty, how come the current virtual console did not exit ? |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | kcarey: netinst has enough to get it going .. if you want more, use CD1 |
| 16:11.28 | joansh | the one where I am using irssi ? |
| 16:11.49 | kcarey | ok thanks |
| 16:11.55 | lord_rob | Hi ! If you have XP on hda1 and XP on hdb5, is it possible to replace hda1 by debian and keep hdb5 working ? There was a mutiboot mechanism provided by Windows XP, I suppose it'd be provided by grub |
| 16:12.38 | asg | lord_rob: yes, that will work just fine. The default grub config has instructions on how to boot XP |
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| 16:13.01 | lord_rob | nice to hear |
| 16:13.06 | lord_rob | thanks asg |
| 16:13.30 | Gnurdux | hmm, so a program is crashing. is there any way i can use gdb to find at which iteration of some loop it is crashing? |
| 16:13.38 | rouslan | Is this partitioning scheme adequate for 2x80GB RAID-1 640MB RAM firewall/IDS/NAT/web system?: /boot 64MiB, / 4GiB, /var 65GiB, /var/log 512 MiB, swap 768MiB |
| 16:13.52 | joansh | abrotman: will pressed CTRL +S also stop mp3blaster playing music ? because it stopped |
| 16:14.13 | chlue | lord_rob: on my installation of debian it found and configured winxp on the first harddisk and an ancient w2k on the second harddisk correctly. Should work out of the box for you. |
| 16:14.29 | abrotman | joansh: not that i've seen |
| 16:14.30 | asg | rouslan: I'd have a larger /var/log myself |
| 16:14.45 | joansh | abrotman: ok.. thanks |
| 16:14.55 | abrotman | asg: eat mexican! |
| 16:14.58 | rouslan | asg: Ok, /var/log 1GiB, is it ok that I left out /home? (I will not store personal files on this system) |
| 16:14.58 | abrotman | runs |
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| 16:15.02 | asg | abrotman: did last night |
| 16:15.23 | joansh | abrotman: which file do I edit to add more tty`s |
| 16:15.29 | lord_rob | chlue: how did you install debian ? debian installer ? (I was about to complicate my life by trying to install debian using the live CD) |
| 16:15.43 | abrotman | joansh: /etc/inittab |
| 16:15.50 | joansh | thanks |
| 16:16.05 | asg | rouslan: the size will depend on how many logs you wish to keep. Personally, I'd make /var smaller (like a gig or so) and then leave the rest of the space unpartitioned so you can use it later if need be. |
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| 16:17.39 | rouslan | asg: I'll probably need a lot for /var because of snort and MySQL though. |
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| 16:18.47 | rouslan | oops, forgot about /tmp...I guess 256MiB will suffice. |
| 16:20.13 | chlue | lord_rob: debian installer in textmode via a netinstall cd |
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| 16:21.43 | chlue | lord_rob: and be warned. If the installer aks if he should run in expert mode don't confuse that with the 'expert mode' of an installer on windows. The debian installer will really ask you everything in that case. |
| 16:22.52 | asg | rouslan: then increase it for MySQL if you are storing your data there. |
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| 16:23.47 | dustybin | 2 * * * * logcheck if [ -x /usr/sbin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi |
| 16:24.01 | dustybin | what does 2 mean? |
| 16:24.18 | asg | the second minute after the hour |
| 16:24.26 | dustybin | oh |
| 16:24.28 | lord_rob | chlue: ok thanks I've been running Debian since Woody is in Testing ;) |
| 16:25.03 | dustybin | asg: how could i specify it to check every '3' hours? |
| 16:25.25 | asg | dustybin: * */3 * * * |
| 16:25.31 | dustybin | thanks :D |
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| 16:25.37 | asg | dustybin: sorry 0 */3 * * * |
| 16:25.42 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 16:27.18 | rouslan | Is it ok if I reduce the "Reserved Blocks" parameter of all partitions during installation? |
| 16:27.18 | Dionix | hmmm |
| 16:27.21 | rouslan | And will 256MiB be adequate for /tmp? |
| 16:27.30 | asg | rouslan: yes, as long as you don't run out of space. Doing so will lead to fragmentation and other issues. |
| 16:28.04 | lord_rob | ok then I'll download Debian lenny install CD1 with KDE and use it |
| 16:28.21 | rouslan | asg: I'll just leave it at the default (5%) just in case. |
| 16:28.25 | Dionix | i prefer the netinstall |
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| 16:29.13 | smacnay | abrotman: hmm, revelation seems neat but I am missing how to actually add a password and see that password when needed. The password I input gets encrypted so when I wish to refer back to the password, I don't see the actual password I need. I am just setting up an online banking password right now. |
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| 16:29.47 | abrotman | smacnay: you use the program to open the encrpyted save file again |
| 16:31.03 | abrotman | smacnay: you open the program, and start entering accounts, then you save it as a file, when you reopen revelation, you open the saved file again (it should prompt you for a password to open the file) then you browse your stored items |
| 16:31.39 | finalbeta | I just did a netinstall on an old via board with 256MB ram. I selected the sytem to include desktop packages. This installed kde etc. But the system can't handle it. I've installed an ssh deamon on it and now have access remote. Anyone who can tell me how I clean up the system so I'm left with a command line system. so basically purge xorg, kde. Are there any meta packages or something that would clean all clutter? |
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| 16:32.37 | asg | finalbeta: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 16:32.38 | abrotman | finalbeta: aptitude remove kde xorg |
| 16:32.41 | stew | finalbeta: tasksel remove desktop |
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| 16:33.38 | finalbeta | thanks, stew, I think that's a meta package removing all of the above? |
| 16:33.45 | n0mad | hey, as same user i cannot start separate progrram with separate xserver, says "connection refused" hmn help me alitle |
| 16:33.47 | Laeborg | 'An error occurred in the secure channel support' is this because my cerf. is self-signed ? |
| 16:34.01 | asg | n0mad: startx :1 |
| 16:34.17 | smacnay | abrotman: with the folders, can I not save all accounts in one revelation file? Or is it better to have many files? |
| 16:34.57 | stew | finalbeta: well when you chose 'desktop' during the install, it essentially runs "tasksel install desktop" so this should do the opposite |
| 16:35.20 | abrotman | smacnay: i have numerous in a single file |
| 16:35.54 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - I will play around - should something like a banking password (not credit card) be set up with a generic key? |
| 16:36.06 | n0mad | asg, x already running im trying to launch separate program that uses xinit, and i geting connection refused |
| 16:36.08 | abrotman | in the application ? |
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| 16:36.26 | n0mad | asg on separate tty |
| 16:36.48 | stoned | good morning |
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| 16:36.57 | smacnay | good morning |
| 16:37.07 | rouslan | So, is 256MiB for ext2 /tmp adequate? |
| 16:37.09 | n0mad | stoned, good evening here :) |
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| 16:37.24 | smacnay | almost good afternoon here... |
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| 16:37.28 | n0mad | :) |
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| 16:38.28 | stoned | man I hate mailing lists... *grumble* |
| 16:38.56 | stoned | there gotta be a more efficiant direct way to communicate with the php packaging team |
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| 16:39.16 | abrotman | stoned: get them all on jabber :) |
| 16:39.17 | stoned | I'm gonna need help from them, this php5-gtk2 module is giving me trouble |
| 16:39.22 | stoned | jabber? |
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| 16:39.27 | stoned | hmm. never heard of it |
| 16:39.33 | asg | n0mad: well, first you need an xserver running on a different display (i.e., startx :1). Then you could do 'DISPLAY=0:1 /path/to/program |
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| 16:40.12 | stoned | oh IM |
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| 16:40.53 | n0mad | asg x is diferently configured for that program same x config not ok |
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| 16:41.11 | stoned | btw, if anyone is interested in joining up :) I am developing an ascii adventure game in php and ncurses ;) /msg me |
| 16:41.14 | smacnay | abrotman: I see... I was encrypting the password for the bank site in the setup window. Not sure how this is beneficial seeing as all I see is the output of the encryption. No good to me. |
| 16:41.14 | n0mad | asg why it refuses conection - ? |
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| 16:41.35 | abrotman | smacnay: you're doing it wrong |
| 16:41.36 | smacnay | abrotman: if I don't hit "generate" and just save, I then have the password there. |
| 16:41.42 | stoned | abrotman, jabber looks great, I use Kopete which I think also features a jabber conenction I think |
| 16:41.53 | n0mad | asg where to look and how to configure x connections for tty jobs |
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| 16:41.58 | abrotman | smacnay: "generate" creates a password for you .. |
| 16:42.00 | Dionix | stoned: pidgin or bitlbee both support jabber |
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| 16:42.05 | stoned | pidgin |
| 16:42.17 | Dionix | bitlbee is nice if you like irc |
| 16:42.21 | stoned | that is nice, but it sometimes randomly disappears, process and all, on my sid machine |
| 16:42.34 | stoned | I'll check the bts, I love irc btw, I'd rather use that than IM |
| 16:42.42 | Dionix | oh yes then get bitlbee |
| 16:42.48 | stoned | looking into it |
| 16:42.48 | smacnay | abrotman: I thought that is where I inputed the password for the bank account I was setting up. OK - I will search for docs on the web for this app. |
| 16:42.51 | Dionix | its a irc frontend to im's |
| 16:42.57 | stoned | sweet |
| 16:43.02 | Dionix | =] |
| 16:43.19 | shams | can you tell me that which is more power? 'Athlon le-1620' or 'sempron 64 2800' |
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| 16:43.37 | stoned | athlon I'd imagine, Isn't semperon a budget cpu |
| 16:43.44 | stoned | like the celeron of AMD |
| 16:44.03 | lord_rob | (of intel) |
| 16:44.05 | stoned | shams, ##hardware |
| 16:44.19 | stoned | lord_rob, no, of AMD |
| 16:44.57 | lord_rob | intel celeron I'm pretty sure |
| 16:45.08 | stoned | yah, but im talking about an analogy |
| 16:45.12 | smacnay | abrotman: ah... I need to set up a "goto" command for the "generic" key setup |
| 16:45.14 | stoned | its the celeron of AMD |
| 16:45.21 | stoned | however you wanna interpret it whatever |
| 16:45.24 | lord_rob | ah right |
| 16:45.29 | abrotman | smacnay: i don't remember it being that hard .. but okay :) |
| 16:45.43 | lord_rob | sorry misunderstood |
| 16:45.46 | stoned | np |
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| 16:45.51 | stoned | perhaps I wasn't clear enough |
| 16:46.13 | shams | stoned: thank you |
| 16:46.20 | stoned | yup |
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| 16:47.29 | stoned | when will debian have a web2.0 website, ajaxified, with flash and javascript animations ? |
| 16:47.35 | abrotman | x1250: you were the one with the roundcube issue ? |
| 16:48.06 | stoned | Dionix, ping |
| 16:48.06 | ix | stoned: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. |
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| 16:48.39 | smacnay | abrotman: yes, some of the goto command fields are already pre-filled but some are not. I need to look at how this all works. Thanks for the suggestion - which is now a small project. |
| 16:48.46 | stoned | Dionix, so, I'd have to login to IM services with my existing accounts, and I can interface with them through IRC using bitlbee? |
| 16:48.54 | abrotman | smacnay: okay .. enjoy |
| 16:48.59 | stoned | ix, you are a bot or have a script running, please stop it. |
| 16:49.03 | nsadmin | ix is a bot? |
| 16:49.22 | abrotman | stoned: he's a person with a weird sense of humor :) |
| 16:49.31 | stoned | heh right on |
| 16:49.45 | nsadmin | the message did say he wasn't around |
| 16:49.52 | stew | he's not a bot, he's someone running his script: http://err.no/src/contentless_ping.pl |
| 16:50.09 | nsadmin | which has at least one bug |
| 16:50.28 | stoned | its not a bug, thats the intended behaviour I'm guessing |
| 16:50.58 | abrotman | oh, that's a sad script |
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| 16:51.40 | stoned | description => 'notifies people that contentless pings are annoying."', |
| 16:51.42 | stoned | lol |
| 16:52.17 | stoned | Aaahhhhhh boy |
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| 16:55.25 | stoned | ok bitlbee and irssi integreation |
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| 17:04.50 | n0mad | http://pastebin.com/d5d3ba3ba |
| 17:05.25 | martiiin | Anyone familiar to SSH And Privoxy? This is what my sites look like http://bitfile.se/files/afton_privoxy.JPG is there any configuration ive missed? |
| 17:05.47 | ix | nsadmin: No, I'm not a bot. |
| 17:05.53 | nbeebo__ | im in a dir with a file and i cant tab it?! |
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| 17:06.30 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: why can't you tab it? |
| 17:06.38 | n0mad | cant start secont :1 x server on different tty says connectiom refused, any ideas ? |
| 17:06.56 | ix | And, stoned, other than the script being misconfigured, I don't really see any harm in it. :-) |
| 17:07.18 | nbeebo__ | i dont know, im in /home/nbeebo/Desktop where the files is, tabs and "show 2100 possibilites: yes, no?" |
| 17:07.43 | nbeebo__ | file is ati-balbalabla.run, so at > tab |
| 17:07.45 | ix | that being said, that bug is rather annoying... |
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| 17:08.21 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: why do you want to tab that file btw? |
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| 17:08.41 | nbeebo__ | install latest ati driver manually |
| 17:08.48 | dalela | Hi, I booted knoppix to back up my data from my broken system, but I cant access USB (I think he cant load the driver). So I want to move my data from partition /dev/hda1 to /dev/hda5 |
| 17:08.51 | nbeebo__ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI about half ways |
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| 17:08.56 | dalela | the problem is that hda5 is NTFS (mounted read-only) |
| 17:08.59 | dalela | What can I do? |
| 17:09.06 | Haji_v_2 | mount it rw? |
| 17:09.11 | dalela | how an I do that? |
| 17:09.13 | dalela | *can |
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| 17:09.23 | stoned | ix, "We have just folded space from Ix" |
| 17:09.25 | nbeebo__ | i know u can do it manually but im too lazy + its nice to know in future... |
| 17:09.28 | Haji_v_2 | sudo mount -t ntfs3g /dev/what-ever /where-ever |
| 17:09.35 | ix | stoned: :-) |
| 17:09.35 | dalela | thanks |
| 17:09.37 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: so you want to do what with the file? |
| 17:09.39 | Haji_v_2 | should work |
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| 17:09.42 | stoned | ix, are you gonna do anything about the script? ;) |
| 17:09.57 | stoned | ix, 10 points if you tell me where that quote is from.. #debian-chat |
| 17:10.41 | nsadmin | folding... a sewing show? :) |
| 17:10.45 | ix | oh, there is a #debian-chat? |
| 17:10.47 | nbeebo__ | make a deb out of it then run the deb |
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| 17:10.49 | stoned | indeed |
| 17:10.53 | ix | I just hang out in -unofficial. |
| 17:11.05 | nbeebo__ | only way i can get 1920x1200 working, instead of 1600x1200 |
| 17:11.14 | stoned | whoah thats a mighty fine resolution |
| 17:11.20 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: so what command are you trying to run? |
| 17:11.24 | dalela | Haji_v_2, "ntfs3g" is not supported by the kernel |
| 17:11.34 | stoned | Ionly have a 22" currently at home, I have to make do with 16:10 |
| 17:11.36 | scientes | how do i make imap not map to my ~ but to ~/Maildir ? |
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| 17:12.16 | nbeebo__ | oh... maybe thats the problem |
| 17:12.19 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: when you hit tab, is there anything you've typed on the command line? |
| 17:12.28 | nbeebo__ | i write at then tabs, then it gets some program named stuff |
| 17:12.38 | nbeebo__ | at atd atobm atq atrm |
| 17:12.42 | abrotman | scientes: that depends on your imapd and your mta |
| 17:12.52 | Haji_v_2 | ouch dalela |
| 17:12.58 | nbeebo__ | there, nevermind, thanks anyway, just wrote rar then tabbed |
| 17:13.01 | scientes | postfix and whatever the default imapd is |
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| 17:13.10 | scientes | abrotman, |
| 17:13.10 | abrotman | scientes: there is no default, it's what you install |
| 17:13.12 | Haji_v_2 | dalela, try "-t ntfs" |
| 17:13.20 | jonaskoelker | hi all. I have a problem: I have two boxes connected via a crossover cable, 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2. I can't ping either one from the other (Destination host unreachable). What gives? |
| 17:13.23 | scientes | whatever is default when i choose mail server in tasksel |
| 17:13.24 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: so there is nothing other than at on the command line? so your intent is to put this first? |
| 17:13.27 | dalela | Haji_v_2, that works |
| 17:13.29 | Haji_v_2 | dalela, or build yourself a new kernel ^^ |
| 17:13.42 | Haji_v_2 | dalela, try to write a file then |
| 17:13.46 | dalela | under knoppix?^^ |
| 17:13.50 | dalela | Haji_v_2, mounted read only |
| 17:13.55 | Haji_v_2 | damn |
| 17:13.55 | dalela | cant create a file there |
| 17:14.18 | nbeebo__ | nsadmin, got it working, thought tab always tabbed for files |
| 17:14.28 | abrotman | dalela: knoppix support is in #knoppix |
| 17:14.28 | Haji_v_2 | well.. i'm not familiar with knoppix |
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| 17:14.59 | jonaskoelker | har du lavet noget sjovt? |
| 17:15.00 | nsadmin | nbeebo__: what do you think it was tabbing for? |
| 17:15.05 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: english |
| 17:15.07 | jonaskoelker | disregard that |
| 17:15.11 | jonaskoelker | wrong tab |
| 17:15.19 | nbeebo__ | like i said, files |
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| 17:15.54 | nsadmin | files that are where tho? |
| 17:16.00 | nbeebo__ | in the directory |
| 17:16.08 | nbeebo__ | where i cd'd |
| 17:16.20 | nsadmin | nbeebo__ the first word on a command line is the ______ |
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| 17:16.29 | glax | Hi guys, Where can I see how much memory the video card have on Lenny? |
| 17:17.02 | nbeebo__ | i wrote "at" (almost ati) to find the file easier, so only got 5 shown |
| 17:17.02 | scientes | abrotman, its uw-imapd |
| 17:17.11 | nsadmin | nbeebo__ the first word on a command line is the ______ |
| 17:17.23 | abrotman | scientes: i've never used (and will never) that one |
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| 17:17.28 | nbeebo__ | eh ok nvm |
| 17:17.38 | nsadmin | do you know the answer |
| 17:17.40 | scientes | hmm its lenny default with tasksel |
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| 17:18.09 | nsadmin | and therefore do you understand why it did not pick up files in your dir? |
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| 17:20.01 | Haji_v_2 | i need a good program for configuring my synaptics touchpad or can i still copy the configuration into the xorg.conf? |
| 17:20.23 | nbeebo__ | gsynaptics i think |
| 17:20.32 | nan8 | Haji_v_2: xorg.conf should still work |
| 17:20.56 | Haji_v_2 | well i'll try later when the installation is finished |
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| 17:21.30 | Haji_v_2 | is a text-based installation with dm-crypt is possible? |
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| 17:24.26 | JordiGH | Haji_v_2: Text-based? Sure, the nonstandard thing is to use the FB graphical install. |
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| 17:31.11 | newsense | yay apt-listchanges finally decided to start working :) |
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| 17:35.38 | stoned | bing fucking O... http://webapps-common.alioth.debian.org/draft-php/html/ch-about.html |
| 17:35.44 | stoned | :D |
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| 17:37.14 | n08l3J | hello everyone |
| 17:37.25 | n08l3J | I am having a very hard time installing a new kernel |
| 17:37.37 | n08l3J | i followed this guide http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4468 |
| 17:37.51 | n08l3J | i think the problem is caused by the mkinitrd |
| 17:38.14 | n08l3J | i am doing for the 2.6.24 kernel mkintird -o /boot/initrd-2.6.24.img 2.6.24 |
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| 17:38.20 | n08l3J | Am I doing it right ? |
| 17:38.26 | mirak | hi |
| 17:38.28 | mirak | what can I use to share the content of my harddrive on the web, in a presentable way ? can druppal do this or is there some lighter stuffs ? |
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| 17:38.33 | stew | n08l3J: you should not be using mkinitrd for newer kernels, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools instead |
| 17:38.38 | stoned | use mkinitramfs |
| 17:38.38 | n08l3J | everytime i try to boot in the new kernel, it says kernel panic |
| 17:38.39 | stew | n08l3J: that guide is outdated |
| 17:38.43 | stoned | doh |
| 17:38.50 | n08l3J | stew oh |
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| 17:39.15 | stew | n08l3J: however we'd recommend using make-kpkg with the --initrd switch instead, which would create .deb package that creates an initrd automatically when it is installed: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:39.18 | n08l3J | stew, so just dpkg- i linux-image-*.*.* is enought ? |
| 17:39.33 | stew | n08l3J: did you build the package with make-kpkg? |
| 17:39.42 | n08l3J | yes but i didn't use the --initrd flag |
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| 17:40.04 | dwl650plus | i am a newbie and have installed ETCH on my laptop. i have a pcmcia wireless card D-Link Airplus DWL-650+ well, i installed the driver, firmware. i can associate, the ap gives me an ip address but i can not surf. it is not a dns problem , it is a tx error 0x20 according to dmesg |
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| 17:40.33 | Samuel-NotAFK | NTP isn't working for me and thetime is innaccurate. |
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| 17:40.39 | n08l3J | hm... let me then re compile the kernel |
| 17:40.41 | Walex | dwl650plus: for alll wireless problems, easiest thing is to change card. |
| 17:40.49 | n08l3J | stew , could you please list the whole command once more please |
| 17:41.24 | newsense | Samuel-NotAFK, any errors in your daemon.log ? |
| 17:41.24 | stew | dpkg: tell n08l3J about kp mantra |
| 17:41.28 | J-roen | Hi. I have plugged in an external hard drive from Western Digital to my Debian pc. The automatic mounting in Gnome results in a read-only filesystem, so I used ntfsmount (package ntfstools). When I now copy large files to the drive, the first 50 MB's are copied at 10 MB/s, but then the transfer rate suddenly drops to 1 MB/s. This happens every time when I start copying something. What can be the problem? |
| 17:41.32 | dwl650plus | <Walex> i do not understand your sense of humour, irony or whatever you called it |
| 17:41.43 | stoned | Samuel-NotAFK, what of yoru timezone, is that correct? |
| 17:42.00 | Haji_v_2 | dwl650plus, but walix is right.. |
| 17:42.02 | Samuel-NotAFK | newsense: No. |
| 17:42.02 | n08l3J | thanks stew |
| 17:42.05 | Samuel-NotAFK | stoned: How do I check? |
| 17:42.17 | Samuel-NotAFK | I did remove hwclock to speed up my boot up times. |
| 17:42.39 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:43.03 | Haji_v_2 | dwl650plus, do you have a dlink card? (ralink) |
| 17:43.04 | stoned | not sure if hwclock would have any effect on bootup time... |
| 17:43.17 | stew | stoned: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:43.22 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: ^^ |
| 17:43.23 | dwl650plus | <Haji_v_2> my friend running windows is laughing his head off. he just went, for all os problems, use something that works and it is well supported, use windows! |
| 17:43.25 | Samuel-NotAFK | Local time is now: Sat Jan 17 18:27:55 GMT 2009. |
| 17:43.25 | stoned | stew, sid |
| 17:43.27 | stoned | oh |
| 17:43.29 | Samuel-NotAFK | That's not right. |
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| 17:43.46 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:43.47 | Haji_v_2 | dwl650plus, thats no sollution |
| 17:43.48 | Samuel-NotAFK | It's 17:43 |
| 17:43.53 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: Lenny |
| 17:44.18 | dwl650plus | <Haji_v_2> it is an acx100 chipset based wireless card |
| 17:44.53 | Haji_v_2 | dwl650plus, don't know that chipset... have you tried ndiswrapper yet? |
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| 17:46.24 | Samuel-NotAFK | ntpd is running. |
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| 17:47.20 | dwl650plus | ndiswrapper means using the windows driver which is something that i do not want to go to. my friend running windows is asking why would you go thru all that command hell just to make something work? |
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| 17:47.40 | Haji_v_2 | dwl650plus, command hell... rofl |
| 17:47.56 | Haji_v_2 | dwl650plus, the shell is one of the best things in linux... |
| 17:48.02 | newsense | !acx100 |
| 17:48.02 | dpkg | Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless network chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx100/111 drivers (http://acx100.sf.net). Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions available at http://wiki.debian.org/acx Also ask me about <acx100 firmware>. Device matrix: http://acx100.sf.net/matrix.html #acx100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 17:48.17 | enouf | bullgard4: ok, there was someone around with a; "<nukisen> An amilo La 1703 with sempron inside and 2gb ram" (fijitsu siemens) concerned about getting the wireless working, i thought maybe you could help a bit, bit i realize they'd need to be the exact models (yours and theirs) or .. atleast the same WiFi Chip |
| 17:48.45 | stoned | dwl650plus, tell your friend unlike you, his butthole is not safe from MS. He takes the MS cock day in day out... (other than this potentially offensive analogy I can't come up with anything else) |
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| 17:49.07 | Samuel-NotAFK | Are there any ips I need to whitelist to make ntp work? |
| 17:49.09 | stoned | TI makes wifi cards?! |
| 17:49.17 | stoned | I thought they only made calculators for me in highschool :/ |
| 17:49.32 | newsense | :) |
| 17:49.37 | enouf | ti is one of the largest chip manufacturers hon |
| 17:49.45 | newsense | i thought so too until i came across one |
| 17:49.49 | dwl650plus | when my friend says support, he means one to one customer support from the manufacturer which is unavailable for those not using windows |
| 17:50.02 | Haji_v_2 | lol |
| 17:50.03 | stoned | dwl650plus, forget windows |
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| 17:50.23 | stoned | dwl650plus, no need to bring windows or your friends comments or thoughts here, please concentrage on getting support for your nic |
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| 17:50.47 | bullgard4 | enouf: My Amilo computer was not equipped with a WiFi component. I bought it as an accessory. |
| 17:51.10 | enouf | bullgard4: ahh... ook |
| 17:51.16 | enouf | s/ook/ok |
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| 17:52.29 | dwl650plus | but so far i have been offered no one to one solution that does not involve windows |
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| 17:53.44 | stoned | but its not linux or command hell to blame, blame the manufacturer for not making a linux driver!? |
| 17:53.47 | newsense | windows is the most useless piece |
| 17:54.02 | tbrock | hey guys, i have a windows 7 iso that i wanted to write to a usb and make bootable, how can i do this in debian |
| 17:54.12 | newsense | :( |
| 17:54.16 | tbrock | i know unetbootin can do this for linux isos |
| 17:54.32 | tbrock | but i wanted to write the iso to the usb drive so that it is bootable |
| 17:54.45 | tbrock | any ideas? will dd do this? |
| 17:54.51 | stoned | tbrock, hm.. iso is a one track |
| 17:55.03 | J-roen | Hi. When I copy large files to my external hard disk, the transfer rate in the first 10 seconds is about 10 MB/s but then suddenly drops to less than 1 MB/s. What could be the problem? |
| 17:55.21 | stoned | tbrock, I don't think its possible in debian |
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| 17:56.06 | tbrock | ? |
| 17:56.07 | tbrock | wtf |
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| 17:56.12 | tbrock | really? |
| 17:56.13 | stew | tbrock: have a look at unetbootin |
| 17:56.20 | peppe | J-roen: usb2? are you using dma? it is mounted sync? the first 10 seconds aren't a good measure of throughput |
| 17:56.21 | stew | tbrock: (no, not really) |
| 17:56.23 | tbrock | mac os x can do it |
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| 17:56.30 | stew | tbrock: so can debian |
| 17:56.32 | tbrock | unetbootin doesn't work for me for some reason |
| 17:56.42 | tbrock | i select the iso |
| 17:56.46 | tbrock | and the destination |
| 17:56.49 | stew | tbrock: you can also setup grub to boot an iso |
| 17:56.54 | tbrock | and bam, says finished |
| 17:57.00 | tbrock | doesn't do anything |
| 17:57.05 | stoned | since when did grub boot iso directly? |
| 17:57.13 | stoned | don't you need a running kernel in order to mount the iso? |
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| 17:57.49 | newsense | anyone know of a good guide on backup and restoring the backup to a luks encrypted partition ? |
| 17:58.18 | stoned | there is a similar technique employed by MiniPE |
| 17:58.38 | J-roen | peppe: Yes, USB 2. I don't know if I'm using DMA. 'mount' doesn't display anything about sync for the mount. I know the first 10 seconds look like no good measure of throughput, but I just see that it copies 100 MB in the first 10 seconds and then suddenly just copies less than 1 MB per second. |
| 17:58.38 | stoned | using linux to boot windows but thats on a cd not usb, but you can put it on a usb |
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| 17:59.50 | peppe | J-roen: probably it's caching them |
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| 18:00.28 | J-roen | peppe: Okay, thanks. Can I do something about it? |
| 18:00.40 | peppe | J-roen: it depends on many many factors :) which filesystem? |
| 18:00.51 | J-roen | peppe: From ext3 to NTFS. |
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| 18:01.18 | peppe | then it might be the ntfs driver |
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| 18:01.40 | peppe | or you usb controller, or the usb cable, or the external disk |
| 18:02.04 | Samuel-NotAFK | How do I make NTP work? |
| 18:02.23 | J-roen | peppe: Could the USB cable really be the problem? |
| 18:02.47 | zinx | yes |
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| 18:03.05 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: does "grep iburst /etc/ntp.conf" return matches? |
| 18:03.20 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: Yees. |
| 18:03.33 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: does /etc/default/ntp contain NTPD_OPTS='-g' ? |
| 18:03.52 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: Yes. |
| 18:04.02 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: what does 'cat /etc/timezone' return? |
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| 18:04.17 | stew | Samuel-NotAFK: does "pidof ntpd" return a number? |
| 18:04.20 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: Europe/London |
| 18:04.29 | alexb2283 | does anyone know how to make udev wait for dm-crypt before attempting to read rules from a crypted root fs ? (http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5009/udevrx5.jpg) |
| 18:04.31 | Samuel-NotAFK | stew: 3313 |
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| 18:06.22 | Si1ver1ock | how do i check which version of debian is running on a box? |
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| 18:06.45 | themill | dpkg: tell Si1ver1ock about version |
| 18:06.50 | alexb2283 | Si1ver1ock: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:07.06 | alexb2283 | Si1ver1ock: and/or look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:07.56 | Si1ver1ock | alexb2283: , themill thx |
| 18:08.20 | alexb2283 | yw, afk |
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| 18:10.18 | Si1ver1ock | i'm thinking about setting up a debian mail server, is there a canned virtualbox mail server i can dload? |
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| 18:12.01 | Si1ver1ock | on the same topic, is there a good web admin package in debian to admin a server? |
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| 18:13.58 | Jemt | How odd, suddently I can't seem to find the download link for Lenny on debian.org- where is it ? I've downloaded it before |
| 18:15.38 | jabis | debian.org is a pain to navigate |
| 18:15.38 | stoned | !tell Jemt -about d-i |
| 18:15.45 | stoned | jabis, no it isn't |
| 18:15.58 | jabis | yes - it is |
| 18:15.59 | stoned | its painful for people who blindly click links and not read the content |
| 18:16.04 | stoned | if you don't read, you wont' find wtf you're looking for |
| 18:16.10 | jabis | it's hardly usable |
| 18:16.18 | abrotman | jabis: why is it hard? |
| 18:16.25 | stoned | jabis, you are welcome to submit a patch to the source package |
| 18:16.33 | stoned | make it better |
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| 18:16.46 | stoned | if it indeed can be better, I'm sure they will work on it |
| 18:17.21 | Jemt | stoned: ? I want Lenny, not Etch :p |
| 18:17.30 | stoned | Jemt, READ! |
| 18:17.33 | Gm4n | does the lenny rc1 installer require you to have swap space? |
| 18:17.38 | abrotman | Jemt: debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. which is in the factoid you were given |
| 18:17.45 | nbeebo | this is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m6c0021dc , should have 1920x1200, only have 1600x1200.. |
| 18:18.18 | stoned | nbeebo, man cvt |
| 18:18.25 | nbeebo | ok |
| 18:18.30 | stoned | nbeebo, use cvt and generate a modeline for 19:12 |
| 18:18.35 | themill | jabis: if you have *specific* suggestions, then make them. "/msg dpkg report bug" and use the www.debian.org pseudopackage |
| 18:18.58 | nbeebo | its 19_20_ does that make any difference? |
| 18:19.00 | stoned | nbeebo, also in your Display section of screen section enter yoru desired SINGLE resolution |
| 18:19.16 | nbeebo | ok |
| 18:19.21 | stoned | nbeebo, 16:10 means 1680x1050, 19:12 means 1920x1200 |
| 18:19.23 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 18:19.36 | Jemt | stoned & abrotman: Thanks, wasn't obvious if you didn't know it though |
| 18:19.38 | nbeebo | ok ok thanks alot |
| 18:19.40 | stoned | 16:9 is 1680x900 I think or whatever |
| 18:19.47 | stoned | I just shorthand to write I'm lazy |
| 18:19.47 | Jemt | knew* |
| 18:20.04 | stoned | Jemt, no, you have to read |
| 18:20.08 | stoned | !d-i |
| 18:20.08 | dpkg | 4.0r6 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 18:20.09 | jabis | themill, abrotman, stoned, navigating thru the site IS a pain, for an average user perspective, it's really hard to find a specific needle from the debian.org haystack |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | wow .. way to be vague |
| 18:20.24 | jabis | s/for/from/ |
| 18:20.30 | stoned | doh |
| 18:21.02 | J-roen | peppe: I noticed that the load average is 4 when copying files to the external disk. Does this limit the possibilities for the cause? |
| 18:21.04 | stoned | perhaps modify developer page to read developers page and testing installer is.... |
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| 18:21.08 | stoned | maybe? |
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| 18:21.25 | peppe | J-roen: nope: it's normal since your sistem is under I/O load |
| 18:21.28 | jabis | for example looking from the point that "getting debian" has no reference whatsoever to other distribs than edge |
| 18:21.30 | peppe | *system |
| 18:21.33 | J-roen | peppe: Okay, thanks. |
| 18:21.36 | stoned | this is actually a bit unclear, the factoid I remember used to clearly state testing I think |
| 18:21.44 | jabis | s/edge/etch |
| 18:21.46 | stoned | I can see why it would be unclear to him and perhaps others |
| 18:21.54 | peppe | J-roen: are you really sure the disk is recognized as usb 2.0? |
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| 18:22.28 | J-roen | peppe: I guess so. How can I check? |
| 18:22.55 | J-roen | peppe: Also, how else could the first hundreds of MB's be transfered with 10 MB/s? |
| 18:23.14 | jabis | abrotman, and yes, my comment can be vague, but it's as vague as the site - the navigation is - a guessing game |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | still not helpful |
| 18:23.36 | stew | jabis: perhaps finding releases other than the currently supported release isn't as easy by design |
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| 18:24.18 | stew | jabis: if one doesn't already know how to find the unreleasd versions of debian, then one should probably be using the released version anyway |
| 18:24.22 | jabis | for searching one specific thing, like a testing release, I might not want to search thru hell a lot of content to find a specific pointer |
| 18:24.26 | pickcoder | I'm having issues getting camstream to work. I get error 19 when I open a view but the caminfo reports a camera active |
| 18:24.30 | J-roen | How can I check if my external hard disk uses USB 2.0? Thanks. |
| 18:24.44 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/releases/ .. yeah .. that was hard |
| 18:24.48 | stew | jabis: you can install the released version and upgrade to testing |
| 18:24.51 | pickcoder | J-roen: red the specs? |
| 18:24.55 | pickcoder | s/red/read |
| 18:25.12 | jabis | a waste of time, if I just want to be "getting debian - lenny" please |
| 18:25.32 | nan8 | J-roen: 'dmesg|grep usb' might help |
| 18:25.38 | J-roen | pickcoder: Sorry, bad question maybe. It is 2.0 compatible. How can I check if it is recognized as USB 2.0 disk? |
| 18:25.42 | J-roen | nan8: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 18:25.53 | Eulex | jabis, if you're new to debian, you should install stable. |
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| 18:26.15 | jabis | I'm talking about user experience of the site for an average user |
| 18:26.18 | stew | jabis: lenny should be released soon |
| 18:26.24 | nan8 | J-roen: if you plug in - i think you should see something like 'new full speed USB...' |
| 18:26.24 | Eulex | average users should run stable |
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| 18:26.36 | stoned | seriously |
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| 18:26.52 | pickcoder | all the webcam/seccam how-tos are from Sarge days |
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| 18:26.53 | jabis | seriously, the navigation is unusable |
| 18:26.55 | J-roen | nan8: Actually the only thing I see when I plug it in is a location to the disk on the desktop. |
| 18:27.03 | peppe | J-roen: they're cached by your system and then written; you should issue a sync command and see the time sync returns |
| 18:27.29 | nan8 | J-roen: lshal might help too (maybe usb_device.version ?) |
| 18:27.52 | stoned | just go to debian.org, click getting debian, then click on what you want, http, bittorent, jigdo, right after you do that is a link to either stable, or testing |
| 18:27.55 | abrotman | that "Getting Debian" link is misleding! |
| 18:27.57 | peppe | J-roen: check your system logs, or under /sys/bus/usb/devices/XXX/speed , or lsusb, or lshal |
| 18:27.57 | stoned | how is the nav useless |
| 18:27.57 | stoned | ? |
| 18:28.02 | stoned | like seriously |
| 18:28.04 | abrotman | leading |
| 18:28.09 | stoned | then the tell me I'm a burnout |
| 18:28.11 | stoned | ffs. |
| 18:28.14 | peppe | nan8: J-roen: lshal, usb_device.speed |
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| 18:28.26 | stew | jabis: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www and the www.debian.org pseudo package in the bts are the right places to bring this up |
| 18:28.49 | nan8 | peppe: is usb_device.version the usb version? |
| 18:29.11 | stoned | if you take out the usb and plugin it in again, doesn't dmesg tell you if its hispeed of fullspeed? |
| 18:29.19 | peppe | nan8: that doesn't matter; my usb2 mouse actually uses usb1 speeds |
| 18:29.23 | stoned | s/plugin/plug |
| 18:29.24 | jabis | I'm talking about user experience, not debating which version someone might need to use. I'm a 30 years old systems administrator with 15years of developing past and hell, I couldn't find lenny from the debian.org site, so I just downloaded the latest from a torrent tracker - so how'bout that |
| 18:29.51 | stew | jabis: that's fine, you can use that and upgrade |
| 18:29.59 | nan8 | peppe: so version is 2 in your case but speed corresponds to usb 1 version? |
| 18:30.03 | stoned | jabis, then thats is very shameful, you must not be a good developer. A key to being a good developer is being able to find the info you need :) |
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| 18:30.13 | Jemt | I have /boot on a seperate partition. Would it be a good idea to set <pass> to '1' for the boot partition in fstab, or should it be '2' ? |
| 18:30.22 | stew | jabis: if you think the website is deficient, the right place to talk about it is http://lists.debian.org/debian-www or file a bug |
| 18:30.33 | peppe | nan8: yes: http://pastebin.com/d4a442844 |
| 18:30.38 | nan8 | peppe: thanks |
| 18:30.40 | stoned | Jemt, I actually don't myself understand the pass thignies |
| 18:30.46 | stoned | been meaning to read up on it |
| 18:30.53 | jabis | stoned, no, a poor UI on a site, I wouldn't BOTHER going thru the WHOLE site just to look for lenny download |
| 18:31.11 | Jemt | stoned: fchk priority - that's as much as I know :) |
| 18:31.17 | stoned | jabis, you've been given instructions on where to take this up. Good day |
| 18:31.22 | stew | jabis: you know where to find it now, however? |
| 18:31.25 | stoned | Jemt, ahh |
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| 18:32.03 | J-roen | peppe, nan8: Where can I find that information? I found out that the disk is on bus 001, device 002. |
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| 18:32.29 | jabis | stew, yeah, the reason why I got pissed off was the fact that when a guise walks in here and states a clear thing - he got torpedoed for his point of view - which I can relate from past, as I struggled with the same thing |
| 18:32.30 | Jemt | I guess 'root' should have priority over anything else - but I can't really use my installation if it is not bootable - so I would prefer giving the value '1'. Not sure if that's allowed. Every page I look through suggest that only root is set to '1' |
| 18:32.44 | stew | jabis: can we please just drop it then? |
| 18:33.13 | jabis | stew, surely we can. |
| 18:33.27 | UsamaAkkad | hello , I have gsm modem and I bought 5 giga , but it seems like it go very fast. it seems like there is no data compression in my wvdial.conf . how to add data compression . |
| 18:33.40 | stoned | perhaps if your manner of critique was a bit better you may not have been torpedoes as you say |
| 18:33.45 | stoned | oh nm, dropped |
| 18:33.51 | peppe | J-roen: read lshal output and look for the name of your drive as reported by lsusb |
| 18:35.14 | nan8 | J-roen: lsusb -s bus:devnum -v |
| 18:35.46 | Loof | Anyone know if you can turn on bswap mode dynamically (ioctl, proc or sys) on a (disk) block device? |
| 18:36.06 | J-roen | nan8: Thanks. It says bcdUSB = 2.00 |
| 18:36.15 | jabis | stoned, stew, thanks for pointing to the proper resource, eventhough we may not share the same point of view, anyhow |
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| 18:37.41 | nan8 | J-roen: and see lshal output as peppe suggested |
| 18:38.08 | stoned | but really doesn't dmesg tell you that the plugged in usb device is full or hi speed? |
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| 18:38.15 | stoned | wouldn't that be much simpler to find out ? |
| 18:38.28 | stoned | (just a thought) |
| 18:38.42 | Loof | Either that or is the a loop or dm device I can use to do byteswapping? |
| 18:39.57 | J-roen | nan8: usb_device.speed_bcd = 4608 |
| 18:40.28 | peppe | stoned: should it say low, hi, and full speed? |
| 18:40.38 | peppe | J-roen: try following stoned's suggestion |
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| 18:41.16 | jabis | abrotman, one pointer 'bout the www.debian.org/releases/ - when you know it's there it's obvious, when you don't it's not... the link to it is "release info" below "documentation" subheader, instead the "download" one, is which threw me off the course, and a torrent tracker became a better choice to get the desired release |
| 18:41.36 | enouf | also, lsusb, udevmonitor/udevadm? cat /proc/bus/usb/* ? |
| 18:41.57 | abrotman | jabis: there's also the "Getting Debian" link on the side nav .. but the discussion has been dropped :) |
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| 18:42.05 | pickcoder | what's a decent webcam tool for KDE? |
| 18:42.23 | pickcoder | or X in general |
| 18:42.36 | Loof | Hmmm, is there a better place to ask about byteswapped device usage? |
| 18:42.43 | J-roen | peppe, nan8, stoned: usb 1-2: new low speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 --' does 1-2 mean bus 1 device 2? |
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| 18:42.53 | Loof | (that is, the bswap option) |
| 18:43.10 | stoned | there is no lo speed |
| 18:43.13 | jabis | abrotman, yeah and that didn't provide anything other than etch, so there you go, the beginning of this discussion - let this be the end :) |
| 18:43.25 | stoned | usb is either fullspeed 12mbps or hispeed 480something mbp |
| 18:43.26 | stoned | i can't remember |
| 18:43.35 | peppe | stoned: or lowspeed 1.5mbps |
| 18:43.36 | stoned | i might have em backwards I dunno |
| 18:43.37 | abrotman | jabis: actually, if you click the "http/ftp" or whatever, it takes you to a page that has "stable" and "testing" links |
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| 18:43.51 | J-roen | stoned: I just pasted what dmesg | grep usb reports. |
| 18:43.54 | enouf | 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 |
| 18:43.57 | peppe | J-roen: are you _really_ sure that's your hd? |
| 18:44.05 | stoned | sorry on the phone |
| 18:44.09 | peppe | J-roen: it's really simple: disconnect it and reconnect it |
| 18:44.11 | stoned | kinda half ass lookin in here |
| 18:44.19 | pickcoder | Loof: what are you asking? can you turn on swap partitions while running? |
| 18:44.42 | peppe | J-roen: the latest dmesg lines should be about your hd |
| 18:44.43 | enouf | Jemt: run udevmonitor as root, disconnect, connect - or look at dmesg | tail |
| 18:44.53 | enouf | erm J-roen . not Jemt |
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| 18:44.57 | J-roen | peppe: Yes, lsusb reports: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1058:1001 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. |
| 18:45.13 | Jemt | Ah :p |
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| 18:46.40 | J-roen | So now I guess that it is recognized as USB 1.0 device, and if so, how can I change that? Should I look for a driver? |
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| 18:46.48 | peppe | J-roen: no, it's not the same thing |
| 18:46.50 | enouf | Loof: not sure, never tried that param, but if so, it's http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.8/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt#L605 |
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| 18:47.12 | peppe | I mean, bus/device in lsusb are not necessarily the same usb bus-device in dmesg |
| 18:47.22 | J-roen | peppe: Okay... |
| 18:47.31 | peppe | disconnect it, reconnect it, look at dmesg latest lines |
| 18:47.40 | J-roen | peppe: Okay, I will. |
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| 18:48.02 | zepard | hi all |
| 18:48.14 | zepard | a clue about mencoder guys |
| 18:48.21 | zepard | don't find it |
| 18:48.29 | zepard | ? |
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| 18:49.12 | jake | how do i list all files that do not end *.mp3? |
| 18:49.25 | peppe | dpkg: tell zepard about mencoder |
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| 18:50.45 | J-roen | peppe: My pc just crashed, probably because of the high load. |
| 18:50.56 | peppe | J-roen: d'oh :) |
| 18:50.58 | s0ttle | what's the equivalent of rpm -qf <filename> in debian? |
| 18:51.12 | s0ttle | so i can tell what package a file belongs to |
| 18:51.19 | zepard | peppe: thx |
| 18:51.39 | peppe | s0ttle: dpkg -S |
| 18:52.01 | SPF | what is a good commandline streaming player for shoutcast streams? mpg123 -@ url isn't working |
| 18:52.05 | enouf | jake: ! -name '*.mp3' |
| 18:52.15 | enouf | !tell jake about using find |
| 18:52.33 | peppe | perhaps coupled with a -maxdepth 0 |
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| 18:53.22 | valdyn | SPF: mplayer |
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| 18:53.47 | jake | thanks enouf |
| 18:53.55 | enouf | jake: but ask in #bash about making sure, you don't also grab filenames like "filename.mp3.something", i think somehow you need to incorporate a $ at the end, maybe '*.mp3$' or '.mp3\$' |
| 18:54.27 | SPF | valdyn: thanks, it's working |
| 18:54.30 | jake | enouf, what does the $ give me? |
| 18:54.31 | enouf | heh, perhaps just '*.mp3 ' <-- note; blank space |
| 18:54.40 | dmoerner | $ = end of line |
| 18:54.43 | enouf | jake: it means end of line, in most contexts |
| 18:54.48 | enouf | s/most/certain |
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| 18:54.56 | enouf | jake: cat -A anyfile.txt |
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| 18:55.36 | SPF | lol, mplayer uses mpg123 |
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| 18:57.31 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:57.39 | jake | enouf, im off to linuxcommand.org to revise :) |
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| 19:02.04 | dazjorz | What debian mailing list should be used for general ports discussion? :) |
| 19:02.23 | dazjorz | as in, not limited to one specific port |
| 19:02.25 | dazjorz | debian-devel? |
| 19:02.29 | enouf | dazjorz: there ... oh |
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| 19:02.51 | enouf | i see, all ports/arches |
| 19:03.05 | dazjorz | yeah ;) |
| 19:03.11 | dazjorz | I think debian-devel is closest |
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| 19:03.54 | martiiin | I am using ssh to connect to my server, can I see the active terminal windows on the machine somehow? |
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| 19:04.18 | nan8 | martiiin: 'w' |
| 19:04.30 | martiiin | w? |
| 19:04.36 | nan8 | martiiin: 'w' or 'who' |
| 19:05.03 | martiiin | It dont give me the active terminal windows |
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| 19:05.30 | dazjorz | martiiin: what kind of terminal are you talking about? |
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| 19:05.35 | dazjorz | martiiin: tty or a graphical terminal? |
| 19:06.02 | martiiin | whats the difference? |
| 19:06.12 | dazjorz | you should be more careful with what you say around here - a terminal is a tty, usually, and just because I know you were previously talking about the X-server while never actually naming it, doesn't mean nan8 or anybody else does |
| 19:06.23 | dazjorz | martiiin: the difference is huge? |
| 19:06.38 | pickcoder | I'm trying to build a backport from sid and am getting missing package libphp-serialization-perl |
| 19:06.48 | martiiin | ok, then I got some tty things here. How do I load them into my current terminal? |
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| 19:07.20 | dazjorz | pickcoder: if it's not there, try to get the source for the module, build it and install it - if that doesn't work, install it through CPAN (cpan, then type 'install PHP::Serialization') and remove the requirement or so |
| 19:07.28 | dazjorz | martiiin: what? |
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| 19:07.41 | dazjorz | you've got "some tty things"? and you want to "load them into a terminal"? |
| 19:07.49 | pickcoder | I guess I can try cpan |
| 19:07.54 | pickcoder | though that won't help dpkg |
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| 19:07.59 | dazjorz | yeah, I agree |
| 19:08.04 | jhambo | Hey folks when I try to open a MS Word .doc file with openoffice I get a "filter selection window" and MS Word is not one of the filter options. How can I open Word files?!? |
| 19:08.06 | dazjorz | just noticed you're probably installing a binary package, not a source package |
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| 19:08.36 | dazjorz | I've been doing too much source lately ;) anyway, pickcoder, isn't there a backported package for libphp-serialization-perl too? |
| 19:08.36 | nan8 | martiiin: you want to see what is displayed on some terminal? |
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| 19:08.44 | martiiin | Ill make this easy, I am on my ssh controlling my machine. On the machine I got some terminal windows running different things. Now I want to see the progress in one of those terminal windows. |
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| 19:09.19 | abrotman | jhambo: OO should do it .. is it doc or docx ? |
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| 19:09.20 | nan8 | martiiin: you might wish to take a look at ttysnoop or similar |
| 19:09.25 | jhambo | abrotman: doc |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | jhambo: you can also try abiword |
| 19:09.50 | pickcoder | geez.. it also wants debhelper and perl from sid |
| 19:09.52 | nan8 | martiiin: depending on what exactly you want to try to do - you might also wish to use screen in the future? |
| 19:09.58 | abrotman | jhambo: which veresion of debian? can i get the file ? |
| 19:10.03 | pickcoder | dazjorz: no.. I have bpo in my sources |
| 19:10.16 | jhambo | abrotman: it's lenny |
| 19:10.17 | pickcoder | I guess I'll just download the source tree |
| 19:10.28 | abrotman | jhambo: is it a file i can download myself to try ? |
| 19:10.40 | jhambo | abrotman: no buy I could send |
| 19:10.43 | jhambo | but |
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| 19:11.00 | abrotman | jhambo: just find a generic one online .. see if the same thing happens |
| 19:11.10 | jhambo | abrotman: k |
| 19:11.28 | abrotman | jhambo: my OO has the option to open doc files |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | on lenny |
| 19:11.49 | dazjorz | martiiin: maybe it would help if you, instead of trying to make us look stupid, would try learning what jargon words actually mean, and would try making sense in what you're saying |
| 19:12.19 | abrotman | jhambo: same with abiword |
| 19:12.22 | lordnazgul | having a problem with samba. I have a win XP client getting delayed write failures on a samba share. looking at the samba logs, it is showing oplock break failures. anyone have any clue? samba isnt my forte |
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| 19:13.12 | dazjorz | martiiin: you can get a list of active terminals and pseudo-terminals using `who` or `w`, as someone already mentioned - and you can use /dev to get contents from them, or try what nan8 said |
| 19:13.36 | dazjorz | also `screen` is an amazing program, which may be better fit for what you're trying to accomplish than the way you have in mind |
| 19:14.04 | martiiin | Ill read about screen |
| 19:14.48 | jhambo | abrotman: this:http://crypto.stanford.edu/DRM2002/darknet5.doc gives me the same problem. I can't try abiword at the moment because I'm installing a bunch a packages and I don't already have it installed... |
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| 19:16.21 | tzanger | hmm, I have a 4.0 image here, tried installing cogito and git-core, but it gave me an old version that I can't seem to use since it's missing the --track option (1.4.4.4) -- is there a deb for a newer version ? |
| 19:17.02 | stew | tzanger: you can get a newer git-core from backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:17.05 | enouf | jhambo: anyone mention antiword yet? |
| 19:17.18 | jhambo | enouf: nope |
| 19:17.30 | enouf | jhambo: it'll show text only, not rtf or colors or formatting |
| 19:17.48 | tzanger | stew: danke! |
| 19:18.07 | abrotman | jhambo: so if you open OO, and then File->Open .. you can't choose that file ? |
| 19:18.08 | dazjorz | pickcoder: oh, oops, forgot |
| 19:18.12 | jhambo | enouf: perhaps good for short term but eventually I need to get openoffice to do it |
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| 19:18.19 | martiiin | dazjorz How do I shutdown a terminal then? |
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| 19:18.24 | enouf | sure |
| 19:18.25 | niere | hi |
| 19:18.31 | dazjorz | martiiin: you kill its parent |
| 19:18.35 | dazjorz | or well, "parent" |
| 19:18.36 | abrotman | jhambo: works perfectly fine here |
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| 19:18.41 | abrotman | jhambo: how did you install OO ? |
| 19:18.44 | zash_ | KILL YOUR PARENTS, THEN KILL YOURSELF |
| 19:18.46 | dazjorz | martiiin: you either kill the getty process, or the console window |
| 19:18.51 | jhambo | abrotman: if I do that it brings up the "filter selection" window |
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| 19:19.00 | dazjorz | zash_: PREPARE TO BE SIGHUPPED |
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| 19:19.05 | jhambo | abrotman: synaptic |
| 19:19.15 | abrotman | jhambo: i meant which package |
| 19:19.25 | dazjorz | sends zash_ SIGCHLD |
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| 19:19.32 | jhambo | abrotman: hmmm can't remember. is there I way I can find out? |
| 19:19.35 | niere | anyone know why a priority setting in /etc/apt/preferences with Package: * and Pin: origin ppa.launchpad.net might be ignored by apt? |
| 19:19.45 | abrotman | jhambo: look in synaptic ? |
| 19:19.57 | abrotman | niere: i think you want #ubuntu |
| 19:20.09 | jhambo | abrotman: ahh okay. I've gotta wait 15 minutes or so until it's done installing stuff... |
| 19:20.15 | abrotman | jhambo: okay |
| 19:20.41 | niere | abrotman: i'm trying there, but since it's not ubuntu-specific (ok, the hostname: yes, but the apt-pinning not), i thought i might try here as well |
| 19:20.59 | pickcoder | ok.. so much for that build |
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| 19:21.12 | abrotman | niere: it kind of is .. |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | niere: they could have patched their apt/aptitude to work differently |
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| 19:21.46 | niere | abrotman: ok, i'll look into that |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | niere: you can also try ##linux |
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| 19:23.17 | tzanger | stew: got a magic dpkg invocation for installing a *specific* version now? I can see I have multiple sources for git-core, but apt-get is insisting on using the old one |
| 19:23.36 | niere | abrotman: will do, thx |
| 19:23.40 | mordain | can anyone tell me why this bash line fail with out of memory ? $RESULT=$(cat ./index.dat \| ./querydb.pl -s america) it should return less than 60 bytes of data... and does when i do it manually on command line |
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| 19:26.05 | asg | !uuoc |
| 19:26.06 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 19:26.33 | abrotman | maybe his .pl doesnt have an option to read a file? |
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| 19:26.43 | martiiin | dazjorz Is there any way to terminate a screen? |
| 19:26.53 | asg | abrotman: shell redirect |
| 19:27.04 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 19:27.09 | asg | perl.pl -opt <foo |
| 19:27.21 | hoxu | martiiin, kill it, then screen -wipe |
| 19:27.48 | dazjorz | martiiin: from inside or outside of the screen? |
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| 19:31.33 | tzanger | aha |
| 19:31.38 | tzanger | apt-get -t etch-backports install |
| 19:33.03 | martiiin | dazjorz outside the screen |
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| 19:39.57 | dazjorz | martiiin: kill the process, that's easiest |
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| 19:44.23 | hoxu | !seen caphuso |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | hoxu: i haven't seen 'caphuso' |
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| 19:45.09 | pickcoder | good grief.. why is it so tough to get usb cam working |
| 19:45.52 | abrotman | no one wants to see you |
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| 19:50.34 | pickcoder | luvcview won't compile |
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| 19:50.45 | pickcoder | gspca module won't compile |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | pickcoder: /msg dpkg doesn't work :) |
| 19:51.14 | hoxu | pickcoder, paste the error, abrotman will help you then :) |
| 19:51.23 | hoxu | pickcoder, /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:51.26 | pickcoder | all of the 4vl tools show teh cam is available |
| 19:51.30 | pickcoder | ~the |
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| 19:51.35 | abrotman | ~v4l ? |
| 19:51.36 | apt | hmm... v4l is video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 19:51.42 | pickcoder | v4l |
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| 19:52.00 | pickcoder | it seems that this chipset is supported under uvc through v4l2 |
| 19:52.10 | pickcoder | yet all of the v4l1 tools shows it useable |
| 19:52.11 | abrotman | pickcoder: which kernel ? |
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| 19:52.16 | pickcoder | .26 from bpo |
| 19:52.32 | abrotman | where did oyu get the uvc source? |
| 19:52.39 | pickcoder | it's part of .26 |
| 19:52.45 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:53.02 | asg | qotd227 |
| 19:53.07 | asg | doh |
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| 19:54.57 | pickcoder | heh.. the only UVC tool available from linux-uvc-tools is a macbook "isight" fw loader |
| 19:55.24 | pickcoder | hell I might as well just setup my DV camcorder |
| 19:55.58 | zinx | what tool do you need? |
| 19:56.05 | pickcoder | can I run gstreamer under KDE? |
| 19:56.10 | zinx | yes |
| 19:56.17 | pickcoder | I just want to grab a freaking picture to start with |
| 19:56.25 | pickcoder | everything gives me I/O errors |
| 19:56.32 | pickcoder | I'm in the "video" group and it's 660 |
| 19:56.37 | zinx | try luvcview |
| 19:56.38 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.43 | pickcoder | I can't find it!! |
| 19:56.43 | zinx | the linux uvc driver isn't exactly the best |
| 19:56.45 | pickcoder | where is it? |
| 19:56.57 | zinx | !install it |
| 19:56.57 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 19:57.19 | pickcoder | I downloaded the source and it won't compile due to v4l2 depends errors apparently |
| 19:57.27 | zinx | why do you need the source? |
| 19:57.29 | zinx | it's packaged |
| 19:57.29 | pickcoder | I'm on Etch |
| 19:57.35 | pickcoder | no it's not.. I searched for it |
| 19:57.51 | zinx | not in etch-backports? :( |
| 19:57.51 | zinx | does the sid source deb compile? |
| 19:57.51 | pickcoder | no |
| 19:57.55 | pickcoder | it's in Sid only AFAIK |
| 19:57.55 | abrotman | !info linux-uvc-source etch |
| 19:58.05 | zinx | abrotman: that's not where it is |
| 19:58.05 | pickcoder | that's the driver module abrotman |
| 19:58.10 | zinx | abrotman: it's a separate app |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 19:58.24 | dpkg | linux-uvc-source: (Linux Kernel USB Video Class module), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.1.0.svn54-3 (etch), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 19:58.29 | zinx | and the only one i've found that reliably works (using the wine definition of "reliable" here) |
| 19:58.30 | pickcoder | and I can't even backport zoneminder |
| 19:58.41 | zinx | the linux UVC drivers are really bad. worse than any of the proprietary protocol drivers. |
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| 19:58.44 | zinx | kinda sad, really |
| 19:58.55 | pickcoder | yeah considering most of the decent cams are uvc |
| 19:59.06 | zinx | pickcoder: well, recently they are |
| 19:59.12 | pickcoder | that's what I meant |
| 19:59.19 | zinx | because hardware manufacturers are actually doing the right thing, and using a standard protocol for once |
| 19:59.30 | zinx | it's completely Linux's fault that it doesn't support the standard protocol worth anything :P |
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| 19:59.37 | hark | tried camorama? |
| 19:59.40 | pickcoder | yeah |
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| 19:59.43 | pickcoder | it bombs |
| 20:00.15 | pickcoder | camstreamer gives me error -19 |
| 20:00.27 | pickcoder | so it's a driver problem |
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| 20:00.47 | martiiin | I surf trough SSH+Privoxy, some sites with alot of images looks wierd, can it have anything to do with the buffer-limit? |
| 20:01.08 | pickcoder | martiiin: "look weird"? |
| 20:01.17 | martiiin | well, images dont load etc |
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| 20:01.28 | martiiin | Here is an print i took http://bitfile.se/files/afton_privoxy.JPG |
| 20:01.38 | Skapare | anyone have any idea what to do about an install that hangs at this point: http://phil.ipal.org/debian-grub-0.png |
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| 20:01.54 | pickcoder | are you sure they're not embedded vids? |
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| 20:02.18 | Skapare | I tried doing ^C at that point, which does nothing |
| 20:02.39 | kingsley | How do you tell which repository a package would come from? |
| 20:02.46 | asg | kingsley: apt-cache policy |
| 20:02.47 | acu | Skapare: I am not sure exactly - but when you install linux you have to have 100 Mb for /boot |
| 20:03.10 | Skapare | acu: it has 16GB |
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| 20:03.29 | martiiin | pickcoder why? |
| 20:03.33 | acu | skapare: for /boot you need max 100 mb and should be at the begining of the hard disk |
| 20:03.36 | kingsley | asg: At least for me, apt-cache policy doesn't report the repository. |
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| 20:03.52 | acu | you have to have a /swap (double than RAM) |
| 20:04.13 | Skapare | acu: it was done with the "one big partition for everything" choice ... none of the choices mentioned a separate /boot ... they were choices for separate /home ... or a lot of separate filesystems |
| 20:04.24 | acu | skapare: do you have windows installed in your system ? |
| 20:04.35 | Skapare | acu: it has whatever the default partitioner set up |
| 20:04.40 | Skapare | acu: no |
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| 20:05.09 | acu | skapare: sometimes some systems behave weirdely if you install in a larger partition than 50GB |
| 20:05.12 | asg | kingsley: pastebin 'apt-cache policy <package> |
| 20:05.24 | acu | It may have to do with the BIOS or something - I do not know |
| 20:05.29 | pickcoder | martiiin: maybe it's blocking streams? |
| 20:05.31 | pickcoder | I dunno |
| 20:05.36 | Skapare | acu: it is installing under QEMU using the DVD ISO image to boot, and a 16GB file emulating IDE primary master |
| 20:05.46 | acu | but if you create a partition of 50 GB and install linux there it may work |
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| 20:06.26 | pickcoder | a 16GB file on what file system? |
| 20:06.37 | Skapare | acu: all the install steps seemed fine up to that point, so I'm guessing the grub installer froze in a loop |
| 20:06.40 | acu | skapare: do you install lenny - if yes which one - daily built ? AMD or what ? |
| 20:06.54 | kingsley | asg: I now see that apt-cache policy fails to report the repository of a certain package: xmms. |
| 20:07.33 | kingsley | asg: Try this: apt-cache policy xmms |
| 20:07.38 | acu | skapare: it may have to do something with either master boot record or the /boot partition |
| 20:08.06 | Skapare | acu: installing from this ISO image: rsync://carroll.aset.psu.edu/debian-cd/4.0_r6/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-40r6-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:08.13 | asg | kingsley: at least on this box, there isn't an xmms package |
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| 20:08.29 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to make network-manager-gnome not automatically connect to a network? |
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| 20:08.42 | enouf | Skapare: do alt-f4 and see any messages in console? |
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| 20:09.10 | asg | kingsley: on my etch box, it indicates that it would be installed from etch/main |
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| 20:09.45 | acu | skapare: forget about that - get the Lenny - it will be released this year and this version is preety stable here is the link - get the daily net install - for your platform (170 MB normal CD) and install it using GUI http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:09.46 | kingsley | asg: A pastebin of apt-cache policy for apt and xmms on my unstable box is at http://pastebin.com/d3356aeea |
| 20:09.59 | YamTsa | GhostlyDeath, disable it ? (network-manager IS for automatic connection) |
| 20:10.01 | Skapare | enouf: I'll need to figure out how to send the ALT-F4 into the window ... ALT-F4 iconifies the window from QEMU |
| 20:10.04 | enouf | judd: versions xmms |
| 20:10.04 | judd | enouf: xmms -- etch: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 |
| 20:10.18 | enouf | Skapare: eww.. |
| 20:10.30 | Skapare | enouf: this is running under QEMU |
| 20:10.31 | acu | skapare: or weekly to be more sure it works |
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| 20:11.11 | kingsley | asg: It appears that apt-cache is using a non-standard repository in my /etc/apt/sources for xmms. Naturally, I find myself wondering which one. |
| 20:11.18 | Skapare | acu: I can't install from net ... gotta be everything from the ISO image or other disk file I can attach |
| 20:11.27 | asg | kingsley: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 20:11.54 | asg | kingsley: it seems you are running a pre-etch xmms on an unstable system but have experimental sources as well |
| 20:12.00 | Skapare | acu: if that doesn't come from a full ISO, I can preload files into a filesystem image and attach that as a 2nd emulated hard drive |
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| 20:12.17 | tdn | Can I create a LUKS encrypted partition in a file and mount it? Just like I can mount a file as a loop back device? If I use cryptsetup luksFormat on a file, it does not work. |
| 20:12.20 | acu | skapare: then get from the same site I gave you - the full download DVD first DVD would suffice for a workstation choice |
| 20:12.38 | acu | what CPU do you have Skapare |
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| 20:13.17 | Skapare | acu: it's an emulated x86_64 under qemu under a 32-bit linux kernel on an AMD Opteron 2 socket dual-core at 2.8 GHz |
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| 20:13.38 | enouf | tdn: try something like this maybe http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html - you can mount it, you need the offset though of the partition - man losetup |
| 20:14.05 | melkart | how can i mount a hard drive partition so that a user can at least read from it? "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" doesnt work, even if the read bit of "/mnt" for world is set |
| 20:14.14 | Skapare | acu: I'm wondering if the emulated x86_64/amd64 is just imperfect enough to cause grub to be confused |
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| 20:14.50 | Skapare | acu: any one in the debian community installing the amd64 version under qemu might know if thats a problem |
| 20:14.53 | acu | skapare: I do not know about qemu - most probably there is where the problem lies - I install my systems straight on a barebone metal |
| 20:15.29 | Skapare | acu: for comparison, the 64-bit kernel that comes with ubuntu 8.10 and also with fedora 8 both die in the kernel |
| 20:15.42 | acu | Skapare: what is the use of that qemu ? |
| 20:15.53 | enouf | tdn: and to find offset, something like this; http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/178478081da39a0d?dmode=source |
| 20:16.01 | Skapare | acu: it's said that some compile option those distros used has some driver probe that gets confused in qemu |
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| 20:16.17 | acu | Skapare: why do you use it ? |
| 20:16.22 | enouf | melkart: what type of FS? |
| 20:16.32 | tdn | enouf, I'll read your links. Thanks! |
| 20:16.42 | melkart | enouf: ntfs |
| 20:16.43 | Skapare | acu: the qemu is to run 64-bit ... I chose qemu because I didn't want to install the kernel mods for other kinds of emulation |
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| 20:17.06 | enouf | melkart: and try this; mkdir /mnt/point ; then mount there so you can play with chown /mnt/point |
| 20:17.07 | Skapare | acu: also, Windows XP runs fine on qemu |
| 20:17.07 | acu | Skapare: what CPU do you use ? |
| 20:17.26 | Skapare | acu: I answered ... what other info do you need? |
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| 20:17.49 | saulus | if I want to delete files as root (root@host: rm -rf myfile) I get rm: cannot remove 'myfile': Operation not permitted. It has -rw-r--r--. WHY IS THAT? |
| 20:18.05 | martiiin | I am trying to add a user to my SSH, but the user can look around in my machine and do some stuffs I dont want him to do. How can I add priveligies to the added user? |
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| 20:18.11 | enouf | melkart: let the user own /mnt/point - /msg dpkg ntfsrw {ntfsro} .. or you can /msg dpkg pmount |
| 20:18.12 | Skapare | acu: I don't have the exact model number if that's what you're looking for ... I know it's an Opteron dual-core |
| 20:18.37 | acu | Skapare: unfortunately I do not know about the qemu and its usefullness - Debian Lenny has a AMD64 bit with all applications writen for that - I have computers which run Vista and Debian Lenny AMD 64 dual booting without the need of qemu or anything else |
| 20:18.47 | Skapare | acu: if you know some /proc output that would tell you, I could do that |
| 20:18.55 | enouf | melkart: make sure user is in atleast plugdev group |
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| 20:19.22 | abrotman | Skapare: i had an amd64 qemu running on lenny i386 .. worked fine |
| 20:19.42 | melkart | thank you a lot but right now i am struggling to do even the simplest tasks... i'll come back to you |
| 20:20.20 | Skapare | acu: oh, if you are asking why to even use emulation ... yes, my hardware can do 64-bit ... but then I can't run anything else while working out all my other conversions to 64-bit ... so I'm doing it virtual until I get it all worked out, then will switch to doing it on hardware ... so downtime is minimal |
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| 20:20.32 | acu | skapare: I have a AMD Phenom Quad Core - and the system runs perfectly with the AMD64 Debian Lenny - it is 64 bit and it sees and uses all 4 CPUs |
| 20:20.32 | martiiin | I am trying to add a user to my SSH, but the user can look around in my machine and do some stuffs I dont want him to do. How can I add priveligies to the added user? |
| 20:20.38 | saulus | "root@host: rm -rf myfile" returns "rm: cannot remove 'myfile': Operation not permitted." It has -rw-r--r--. WHY IS THAT? |
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| 20:21.01 | asg | kingsley: please work with enouf and others in here, I have to go. Sorry. |
| 20:21.04 | enouf | saulus: maybe man chattr and lsattr |
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| 20:21.18 | melkart | enouf: ah... finally works, dont know why it didnt before... thank you |
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| 20:22.18 | kingsley | Does xmms2 have a gui that's as compact and stylish as xmms'? |
| 20:22.21 | tdn | enouf, hmm... The links were not about using LUKS/cryptsetup. I know how to have a file system in a file and mount it as a loop back device. What I want to do is to use LUKS and cryptsetup to have a LUKS encrypted partition in a file. Then I can do a cryptsetup luksOpen on the file and it will be available as a /dev/mapper device that I can mount. |
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| 20:22.41 | Skapare | acu: this is just the first step in migration ... doing it to a virtual disk first ... next to an external USB disk ... once all my programs and patches are working, then a final migration to the full machine |
| 20:22.42 | enouf | kingsley: it's a totally different rewritten beast |
| 20:22.56 | enouf | kingsley: not sure though, if that meets your criteria ;-) |
| 20:23.08 | martiiin | What privelegies does adduser give? |
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| 20:23.28 | acu | Skapare: well that much I could help :) I am sure there are here people who could help you even more - what I see as other option is to install in two different partitions AMD64 version and i386 version - and that would allow you a dual boot - one in 32 bit one in 64 bit - - |
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| 20:24.16 | Skapare | acu: that's where the 2nd step comes in ... though with a 2nd disk instead of a 2nd partition |
| 20:24.30 | abrotman | tomaw: RichiH onjoin spammer @88.242.80.231 |
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| 20:24.41 | kingsley | enouf: Oh. Do you happen to know if apt-cache policy reports no repository for packages that are installed, but no longer available from any repository in sources.list? |
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| 20:25.00 | acu | skapare: other options would be to format everything - install debian lenny amd64 then install qemu or other emulators - |
| 20:25.18 | martiiin | What privileges does the normal adduser give? |
| 20:25.23 | Skapare | acu: but I won't be ready to be shutting down to reboot until I'm "mostly ready" ... I have a bunch of programs and patches to do before I'd be ready for that ... 2-3 weeks work ... can't be rebooting all the time to drop back to the old system to run real stuff |
| 20:25.25 | saulus | enouf: lsattr myfile: ----i--------------. Whats normal. I got immutable because of using vservers vhashify (as I think). Is it ok to remove the immutable-flag (because myfile is a file used in many vservsers hardlinked against)? |
| 20:25.45 | acu | skapare: but once again, I do not know much - this is what my three neurons could come by :) |
| 20:25.47 | kingsley | Which mp3 player has a compact gui and supports jack? |
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| 20:26.00 | abrotman | kingsley: audacious will look familiar to you |
| 20:26.04 | Skapare | acu: I need to leave the existing 32 bit slackware running until I'm ready to make the cutover ... nowhere close to ready |
| 20:26.07 | JordiGH | If modprobing ndiswrapper doesn't create a wireless interface... and dmesg doesn't have any error messages... where else can I look to figure out the problem? |
| 20:26.10 | enouf | tdn: sorry then - no idea offhand ... keep working at it - see the /Documentation/device-mapper/* and maybe http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html (dmsetup related, again though not LUKs, but aes) -- butyou may be running into a limitation of LUKs and setting passphrasing afterwards, not prior (not sure at all, just reminds me a bit of an issue i saw another have) or something |
| 20:26.39 | enouf | saulus: i can't make that decision for you |
| 20:26.42 | acu | skapare: good luck - ask more - here we have lurking true gurus :) |
| 20:26.45 | tdn | enouf, ok. |
| 20:26.47 | saulus | ok. thank you enouf |
| 20:27.28 | Skapare | acu: the USB disk is not big enough to run the full system ... so I need to leave things on the SATA disk untouched until everything is tested out in 64-bit |
| 20:27.28 | abrotman | Skapare: what about amd64 debian doesn't work ? |
| 20:27.29 | Skapare | abrotman: it hangs during the grub install |
| 20:27.39 | Skapare | abrotman: http://phil.ipal.org/debian-grub-0.png |
| 20:27.58 | \amethyst | kingsley: jack support for audacious in in audacious-plugins-extra; audacious supports the same Winamp themes as old xmms |
| 20:28.06 | Skapare | abrotman: this being done under qemu 64-bit |
| 20:28.07 | abrotman | Skapare: is it actually hd0 ? |
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| 20:28.38 | Skapare | abrotman: yes ... qemu emulates IDE primary/master disk from a file I gave it |
| 20:28.48 | abrotman | Skapare: which installer did you try? |
| 20:28.51 | enouf | kingsley: [apt-cache policy question] i don't know offhand - i could check perhaps, i have a real funky mix here, but only unstable in sources .. yet i'm sure i have something installed, that kind of went away with etch .. not sure what though |
| 20:28.59 | kingsley | abrotman & \amethyst; I'll check it out. |
| 20:29.10 | abrotman | Skapare: mind you .. i was using the amd64 qemu emu on i386 debian |
| 20:29.11 | Skapare | abrotman: I don't know how to answer that ... whatever was on the debian ISO |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | Skapare: yeah .. which ISO :) |
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| 20:29.46 | Skapare | abrotman: this one: rsync://carroll.aset.psu.edu/debian-cd/4.0_r6/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-40r6-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:29.59 | acu | skapare: show the link to abrotman - it is an etch what you were trying to install - |
| 20:30.03 | abrotman | okay .. i'm not going to get the DVD .. but i can get the netinst and try it here |
| 20:30.13 | acu | skapare: also you may try to use LILO instead or GRUB |
| 20:30.23 | Skapare | I have no idea how to translate version numbers to the names |
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| 20:30.47 | Skapare | I don't recall seeing an option giving me a choice to go wit LILO |
| 20:30.59 | tomaw | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:31.19 | abrotman | Skapare: you'll have to give me 10 minutes or so to grab it |
| 20:31.29 | acu | skapare: anyhow, try lenny - the link I gave you - it may work |
| 20:31.55 | Skapare | abrotman: that's a DVD image ... 4689866752 bytes |
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| 20:32.09 | abrotman | Skapare: i'm getting the netinst .. install routine is the same |
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| 20:32.28 | enouf | Skapare: can you post the qemu command line you ran? |
| 20:32.55 | Skapare | network install isn't an option for me at this point ... it will be later ... but later doesn't happen until I can do some initial conversions with a minimal 64-bit system |
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| 20:33.25 | Skapare | but "minimal" still means a full developer environment (compiler tool chain, all libs) |
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| 20:34.05 | Skapare | I have my own kernel patches to put in ... and they have never been tested in 64-bit before ... so that's part of my migration |
| 20:34.09 | abrotman | Skapare: i understand that.. install routine still the same |
| 20:34.33 | JordiGH | Ack. Fucking ndiswrapper... |
| 20:34.55 | JordiGH | If I had my way, every Debian install would only be done with hardware I bought myself. |
| 20:35.17 | Skapare | abrotman: shouldn't all the jigdo based ISOs end up being the same? |
| 20:35.32 | abrotman | Skapare: the installer, yes |
| 20:35.40 | abrotman | well .. the business card is different |
| 20:36.15 | Skapare | I mean based on the same jigdo template ... I'm sure the biz card one would have a different template ... if it even has one at all |
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| 20:37.03 | octoserver | in the MBR, where dos the partition table start, around the 448 byte area ? |
| 20:37.11 | octoserver | does* |
| 20:37.15 | Skapare | 446 |
| 20:37.16 | enouf | 446 |
| 20:37.22 | enouf | 446-510 |
| 20:37.31 | Skapare | enouf: :) |
| 20:37.38 | enouf | 64bytes or 4 * 16 |
| 20:37.52 | enouf | s/or/of |
| 20:37.55 | octoserver | if i zero up to 440, that will remove grub just fine and not touch the table right ? |
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| 20:38.22 | enouf | right - but 1st sfdisk -d /dev/hdX > partition.table.backup |
| 20:38.42 | octoserver | coo, will do |
| 20:38.43 | Skapare | abrotman: I saw a message during boot of that ISO that suggested the kernel was using an initramfs image ... would that be in place of an initrd? |
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| 20:39.05 | enouf | er .. dd if=/dev/hdX of=hdX-1st-sector |
| 20:39.09 | enouf | er .. dd if=/dev/hdX of=hdX-1st-sector count=1 |
| 20:39.14 | Skapare | abrotman: if the installer kernel in the ISO doesn't use an initrd, then I have some other boot-up options I could work with |
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| 20:39.19 | enouf | octoserver: see that dd? |
| 20:39.24 | abrotman | Skapare: it does |
| 20:39.41 | Skapare | it does have an initrd, too? oh well |
| 20:39.46 | octoserver | oh |
| 20:39.46 | abrotman | pretty sure it does |
| 20:39.55 | enouf | octoserver: that'll copy the 1st 512 bytes to a file, with which is a backup of what you're about to break ;-) |
| 20:40.07 | Skapare | then I'll need a boot loader ... otherwise I could boot the kernel straight up w/o a boot loader |
| 20:40.10 | octoserver | enouf: coo, can i actually look at it too ? :) |
| 20:40.12 | enouf | !wayttd octoserver ? |
| 20:40.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, octoserver? |
| 20:40.18 | enouf | yes |
| 20:40.21 | octoserver | see what grub and my partiotion table look like ? |
| 20:40.36 | enouf | sure, xxd -l 512 /dev/hdX |
| 20:40.50 | enouf | or use hexdump -C or something |
| 20:40.53 | octoserver | enouf: just erasing grub from two old system drives, because I want to :) |
| 20:41.01 | enouf | your call ;-) |
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| 20:41.11 | octoserver | enouf: i like pain |
| 20:41.12 | octoserver | lol |
| 20:41.13 | S-i-A | how can i fix that http://paste.debian.net/26217/plain/26217 i'm absolute newbie , will bild font package from source. |
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| 20:41.41 | abrotman | Skapare: which version of qemu does your slackware have? |
| 20:41.42 | enouf | octoserver: dd can use/write with /dev/zero to overwrite areas with 0s |
| 20:41.46 | S-i-A | build* |
| 20:41.48 | Skapare | abrotman: I'm gonna go ahead and kill the qemu of this run ... I was hoping there might be some action I could do to back out from it as is ... but it's been running grub for teh past 3 hours |
| 20:41.51 | sooth | Can anyone point me to directions on how to setup ipv6 6-to-4 routing? |
| 20:42.07 | abrotman | Skapare: did you check the debug console ? |
| 20:42.10 | octoserver | enouf: what is the name of the fike the first 512 will get saved to ? |
| 20:42.12 | sooth | (for a DSL connection) |
| 20:42.19 | Skapare | abrotman: 0.8.2 ... but the qemu people are saying it should be fine ... but upgrading to 0.9.1 is an option |
| 20:42.33 | enouf | octoserver: dd default bs=512, so you can tell it count=1, makes 1 512byte sector, count=2 makes 1024bytes |
| 20:42.51 | enouf | octoserver: whatever you name it |
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| 20:43.05 | Skapare | abrotman: which debug console and how to get to it? I can't seem to do ALT-Fx keys in qemu since X traps those |
| 20:43.19 | enouf | octoserver: i used my-own-made-up-example-names above for filenames |
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| 20:44.13 | enouf | Skapare: does ctrl-alt-f4 do anything useful? |
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| 20:44.36 | Skapare | enouf: it takes me out of X and goes to console 4 on the host machine |
| 20:44.38 | enouf | Skapare: you can boot using BOOT_DEBUG=3 or similar, see installation guide |
| 20:44.47 | octoserver | enouf: dd if=/dev/sda of=sda-1st-sector count=1 (do i have to >> /filename) ? |
| 20:45.01 | abrotman | Skapare: try alt-<left arrow>/<right arrow> |
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| 20:45.07 | Skapare | enouf: what does BOOT_DEBUG=3 do/mean ? |
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| 20:45.49 | enouf | octoserver: no |
| 20:45.50 | Skapare | abrotman: those pan the X windows view of large desktop space |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | Skapare: which version of qemu? and what command line? |
| 20:46.10 | enouf | Skapare: the installation guide tells you -as well as many other things |
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| 20:46.26 | Skapare | qemu-system-x86_64 -m 1024 -boot d -hda /mnt/sdl1/qemu/one/hda -cdrom debian-40r6-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:46.43 | abrotman | close enough to what i'm using |
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| 20:47.09 | Skapare | the file /mnt/sdl1/qemu/one/hda is 16GB .... initially all binary zero |
| 20:47.14 | octoserver | enouf: sorryu, i should man blabla before asking :) |
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| 20:47.27 | Skapare | enouf: OK |
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| 20:47.31 | octoserver | enouf: nev4er used dd before |
| 20:47.54 | enouf | octoserver: try also 'info coreutils dd' |
| 20:47.54 | abrotman | Skapare: on my box the alt-L/R works because i use ctrl-L/R to switch panes |
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| 20:48.18 | octoserver | thanks |
| 20:48.49 | Skapare | abrotman: ctrl-L/R switches panes for me, too ... alt-L/R just moves the X viewport in a smaller increment (about 32 presses will complete pane) |
| 20:48.51 | sooth | What is the difference between /etc/ppp/ip-up.local and /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/* ? |
| 20:49.07 | Ace2016_- | hi all |
| 20:49.23 | abrotman | Skapare: oh .. weird, but okay |
| 20:49.32 | Skapare | abrotman: I can open windows that span multiple panes, vertical and horizontal ... and that's how I move around them |
| 20:49.34 | Ace2016_- | i need help using diversions, i created a diversion, its shown as a diversion, dpkg -S shows the diversion but the file hasn't changed places |
| 20:49.36 | abrotman | Skapare: i've started the install |
| 20:49.52 | Ace2016_- | i will pastebin the relevent commands |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | Skapare: i have qemu 0.9.1 |
| 20:50.14 | Skapare | abrotman: I have 1280x1024 display ... I can open a window 2560x2048 for example ... it will occupy 2x2 panes |
| 20:50.18 | Ace2016_- | http://pastebin.com/m422f6378 |
| 20:50.45 | Skapare | abrotman: upgrading to 0.9.1 was going to be my next step ... already downloaded its source |
| 20:51.24 | Skapare | abrotman: I was primarily checking to see if anything could be done to the install that is already running to see what is up ... I tried ^C |
| 20:51.29 | abrotman | Skapare: i mean ... i'm pretty sure i've done this install before :) |
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| 20:51.51 | Ace2016_- | as you see i have setup a diversion, rerinstalling the package doesn't mention the diversion, dpkg -s shows i have set the diversion on the correct package and also shows the diversion |
| 20:52.16 | Skapare | abrotman: after upgrading to 0.9.1 I was going to retry ubuntu and fedora ... to see if their total failure was due to the qemu version |
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| 20:52.41 | abrotman | Skapare: so every distro you tried had issues ? |
| 20:52.47 | abrotman | amphi: you're bouncy! |
| 20:53.09 | dvs | abrotman: stop flurting! ;-) |
| 20:53.14 | abrotman | flirt ? |
| 20:53.18 | dvs | bouncy? |
| 20:53.20 | martiiin | I have added a user and given him a home directory /home/test/, now I dont want him to cd out of that directory and enter my directory. What should I do? |
| 20:53.41 | Skapare | abrotman: just tried 3 ... fedora and ubuntu die when the kernel first takes control ... but in both of them, it's qemu itself that gets hosed ... qemu won't even respond to an X expose event |
| 20:54.21 | Skapare | abrotman: with debian ... it's fine ... also with 32-bit kernels on all 4 (+slackware) its fine |
| 20:54.21 | abrotman | Skapare: ick |
| 20:54.23 | \amethyst | martiiin: you can keep him from entering your directory easily (chmod your directory), but it's a bit more difficult to keep him inside his own |
| 20:54.37 | martiiin | ok |
| 20:54.46 | \amethyst | martiiin: (since you'd have to provide a complete system inside his directory) |
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| 20:54.56 | abrotman | Skapare: can't you just use gparted or something and make some room? :) |
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| 20:55.07 | \amethyst | martiiin: chmod o-rwx ~/ will make your home directory private to everyone but you and people you added to your group |
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| 20:55.38 | Skapare | abrotman: in addition to migrating the real machine to 64-bit debian, I'm building numerous virtual environments, several architectures, several distros, linux and bsd, for development testing |
| 20:55.42 | octoserver | enouf: i copied 1000B , and around the 750b area I see more text talking about loading grub stage 1.5 lol |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | Skapare: ah ok |
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| 20:56.28 | enouf | octoserver: right, that's normal .. do this; strings /dev/sda | less ;-) |
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| 20:57.18 | Skapare | abrotman: x86, amd64, arm, mips, mipsel, ppc, ppc64, sparc, sparc64, s/390 ... debian, fedora, freebsd, netbsd, openbsd, slackware, ubuntu |
| 20:57.23 | abrotman | thinks someone has too much free time |
| 20:57.33 | Skapare | the s/390 under hercules ... the rest under qemu for now |
| 20:57.34 | octoserver | enouf: lol cool |
| 20:57.52 | Skapare | thinks someone is doing embedded tools development |
| 20:57.57 | martiiin | \amethyst can you give me a hint about the chmod thing? I should chmod the directory that I dont want him to enter? |
| 20:58.14 | Skapare | ... and doesn't want to buy a farm of servers |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | Skapare: embedded s/390? :) |
| 20:58.33 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | that's like a sub-compact Dodge |
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| 20:58.54 | Skapare | abrotman: actually, "embedded" these days covers a class of machines called "dedicated" systems |
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| 20:59.06 | Skapare | they are essentially developed the same way |
| 20:59.06 | enouf | a chevy vega!? |
| 20:59.10 | abrotman | Skapare: i'm just poking fun .. |
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| 20:59.17 | martiiin | chmod -rwx------ only gives me the owner access to the directory, is this correct? |
| 20:59.38 | asg | abrotman: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/s390-has-a-baby.jpg |
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| 21:00.29 | abrotman | asg: i think i've seen that |
| 21:00.48 | gewt | i am tyring to run bootchartd |
| 21:00.53 | asg | abrotman: yeah, took it when we decommed the 390 |
| 21:00.56 | kingsley | Is it realistic to expect that alsa can be replaced with jack and audio applications like flash, audacity, mplayer, and vlc will still work? |
| 21:00.57 | Skapare | there are single boards available for s390 and sparc64 |
| 21:01.00 | gewt | but can't figure out where I out init=/sbin/bootchartd in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:01.06 | gewt | which line does it go on? |
| 21:01.12 | gewt | the kernel line or it's own? |
| 21:01.14 | octoserver | enouf: basically, hard drives or "devices" are just treeated as files ? |
| 21:01.17 | abrotman | kingsley: i thought jack worked on top of alsa |
| 21:01.22 | enouf | kingsley: not IMO |
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| 21:01.41 | abrotman | Skapare: these installs take forever in qemu .. makes me want a faster laptop :) |
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| 21:01.53 | enouf | octoserver: welcome to unix :-p |
| 21:01.57 | Skapare | there were s/370's built as "embedded machines" to drive air traffic control systems |
| 21:02.15 | Skapare | abrotman: yeah ... mine ran overnight |
| 21:02.21 | kingsley | enouf: have you tried using jack, and encountered problems? |
| 21:02.27 | enouf | gewt: likely the kernel line |
| 21:02.36 | octoserver | enouf: ok :) the two drives i want to clear grub from are in a raid, md4. should I dd md4, or do both seperately you think ? |
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| 21:02.49 | octoserver | enouf: they are mirrored |
| 21:02.52 | enouf | gewt: unless maybe you're setting up remote serial console logging? |
| 21:03.08 | gewt | np |
| 21:03.10 | gewt | no |
| 21:03.15 | gewt | just normal boot |
| 21:03.22 | gewt | except with /sbin/bootchartd as init |
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| 21:03.43 | Skapare | abrotman: I'm gonna go upgrade qemu, then go back to the install manual and look for what enouf pointed out, and try again ... and I might for the fun of it try another arch at the same time (I have downloaded debian for sparc and s390 already |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | Skapare: oh .. mine won't take overnight |
| 21:04.37 | enouf | octoserver: you dd the sdX, not the mdX - the MBR is a construct of a MSDOS partition labeling, not of Virtual Disks, such as mdX, which is mapped via device-mapper, and has it's own Metadata to deal with for that |
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| 21:05.18 | enouf | gewt: yes, then what i said, you can see examples from googling init=/bin/sh and such |
| 21:05.30 | Skapare | strace of qemu shows rapid timer events and nothing else ... qemu is at 100+% ... suggests that grub is in a loop |
| 21:05.51 | martiiin | How do i change the home directory of a user? |
| 21:05.55 | enouf | pointed at something? oh yeah, boot_debug level .. or whatever it is |
| 21:06.00 | Skapare | but maybe something else ... I'm gonna go ahead and do the upgrade just to remove that question point |
| 21:06.05 | octoserver | enouf: yea, i tryed it and it just wrote all zeros |
| 21:06.41 | Skapare | enouf: yeah, that ... I didn't memorize the install manual ... so I have to re-read when someone points out something I didn't get |
| 21:07.09 | Skapare | anyway, I need to run for now ... resume this later tonight, probably |
| 21:07.10 | octoserver | enouf: the reason i asked is because i worreid about wrting to drives seperately, but i forgot that the mirrror consists of the two partitions on the physical drives and not the drives themselves |
| 21:07.23 | octoserver | enouf: the MBR is outside of that right :) |
| 21:07.24 | enouf | octoserver: sorry, i need to correct myself, the MPT (master partition table) is msdos blah blah ... the MBR is more IBM AT related |
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| 21:07.40 | Skapare | wants to hit the local depricated circuit city store to see what's being dumped |
| 21:08.00 | abrotman | Skapare: i want a report on that :) |
| 21:08.30 | Skapare | waves |
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| 21:08.47 | abrotman | oh wait .. i'm not done installing yet! |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | why is it that every time i do one of these, the people run away! |
| 21:09.14 | enouf | you should know better! |
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| 21:13.08 | enouf | kingsley: to further respond; http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html |
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| 21:13.33 | enouf | kingsley: no, haven't tried yet |
| 21:14.19 | octoserver | enouf: haha dd is awsome, first 440 bytes are zero for sure lol |
| 21:14.32 | enouf | !win octoserver |
| 21:14.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, octoserver! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 21:15.12 | enouf | ;- |
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| 21:15.17 | enouf | ) |
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| 21:16.19 | stoned | tool |
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| 21:18.49 | stoned | I have a .nanorc with syntax hilighting rules and it resides in ~/.nanorc but when I start nano I get no syntax hilighing, say I open a php file or bash script or whatever, I get no hilighitng |
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| 21:20.02 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/26221/ <-- here is my .nanorc |
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| 21:22.09 | \amethyst | stoned: syntax "php" ".*/*.php$" |
| 21:22.27 | \amethyst | stoned: I don't think that matches what you think it matches |
| 21:22.39 | stoned | hm |
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| 21:23.13 | stoned | you are correct I get hilighting in perl |
| 21:23.14 | stoned | hang on |
| 21:23.25 | \amethyst | stoned: the entry for bash looks okay, though, as long as your filename ends in .sh |
| 21:23.38 | \amethyst | but of course most shell scripts don't end in .sh |
| 21:24.22 | \amethyst | stoned: by analogy with the others, "\.php$" is probably what you want |
| 21:24.24 | stoned | a lot of times they don't end in anything |
| 21:24.59 | \amethyst | stoned: yeah. I don't know if nano has a way of looking at the first line of the file to idetify it |
| 21:25.06 | \amethyst | stoned: that's what vim and emacs do |
| 21:25.34 | enouf | alais nano='less -IR' |
| 21:25.36 | enouf | runs |
| 21:25.52 | enouf | alias even |
| 21:27.10 | stoned | \amethyst, nope |
| 21:27.17 | \amethyst | stoned: you might be able to do something like "bin/[^/]*$" to match any file in a "bin" directory as a shell script, *if* nano matches the whole pathname and not just the basename |
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| 21:27.42 | \amethyst | but of course not all your shell scripts will be in ~/bin/ so even that is limited |
| 21:28.01 | stoned | no php wont' work :( |
| 21:28.58 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 21:29.50 | diffred | hi! I'm a Ubuntu user (quite newbie, one year using it, but I feel comfortable, I have no problem with terminal nor editing files), I feel Ubuntu so slow and bloated, and I would like to move to a more lighter distribution. I'm wondering if in debian I would have same apt-get packages that are available in Ubuntu, as well as if I can manage to install advanced desktop effects |
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| 21:30.10 | abrotman | diffred: not all the same .. but many |
| 21:30.26 | stoned | nm I got it |
| 21:30.53 | stoned | there was an error or two in my .nanorc |
| 21:31.05 | stoned | a few blocks weren't closed and it threw off everything, now it all works |
| 21:31.23 | diffred | abrotman: also I'm into science (biology) , does Debian offers good scientific software? |
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| 21:31.30 | stoned | syntax "php" "\.php[345s~]?$" <-- btw, is what I figured |
| 21:31.46 | stoned | \amethyst, for like all php file, whatever known extentions I know of |
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| 21:32.43 | abrotman | diffred: you tell me some .. and i'll tell you :) |
| 21:32.45 | \amethyst | stoned: I've also seen .inc though I guess that can be a lot of things besides just PHP |
| 21:32.49 | \amethyst | stoned: as for shell scripts: |
| 21:32.52 | abrotman | diffred: or look on packages.debian.org |
| 21:33.03 | petemc | \amethyst: you use nano? |
| 21:33.06 | \amethyst | stoned: nano () { local syntax=''; head -n1 "$1" | grep -q '^#! /bin/.*sh' && syntax="-Y sh"; command nano $syntax "$@"; } |
| 21:33.09 | \amethyst | petemc: nope |
| 21:33.15 | petemc | vim? |
| 21:33.19 | abrotman | petemc: he masters obscure conf files :) |
| 21:33.20 | \amethyst | petemc: vim and xemacs (the latter mostly for email these days) |
| 21:33.22 | abrotman | weird hobby i'll say |
| 21:33.23 | petemc | fair play |
| 21:33.30 | stoned | \amethyst, nice! |
| 21:33.44 | \amethyst | stoned: it only looks at the first argument, so it's kind of limited, but... |
| 21:33.52 | \amethyst | oh |
| 21:33.57 | diffred | abrotman: thanks ! I will take a look, just need an overview of it it's worthy moving from Ubuntu to Debian in terms of less bloated system and good scientific software availability |
| 21:34.23 | abrotman | diffred: yeah, i can't tell you much about the biology stuff ... |
| 21:34.26 | \amethyst | stoned: better make that grep -q '^#! */bin/.*sh' so the space isn't required |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | diffred: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience .. might have some info |
| 21:35.39 | diffred | abrotman: thanks so much! will take a look! |
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| 21:39.24 | HellMind | What can I do to force dhcp3 client and pppoe to add the default route to a custom route table? |
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| 21:43.51 | stoned | \amethyst, http://paste.debian.net/26223/ |
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| 21:44.04 | brian5555 | hello, how do i install gnash |
| 21:44.10 | brian5555 | in etch |
| 21:44.24 | theholyduck | if its not in the reps. im guessing backports? |
| 21:44.37 | abrotman | judd: versions gnash |
| 21:44.38 | judd | abrotman: gnash -- etch-backports: 0.8.2-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.8.4-2 sid: 0.8.4-2 |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | !tell brian5555 about bpo |
| 21:45.06 | theholyduck | but i ask the question i ask to everyone who uses etch for a machine that needs flash and mediaplayback and what not. |
| 21:45.11 | theholyduck | OH GOD WHY??? |
| 21:45.45 | brian5555 | ? |
| 21:45.54 | abrotman | ignore him |
| 21:46.06 | brian5555 | um if i want to update repos with apt-get instead of aptitude what do i do? apt-get update? |
| 21:46.17 | zash_ | brian5555: yes |
| 21:46.56 | zash_ | brian5555: afaik apt-get and aptitude cli is very similar |
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| 21:56.24 | Brack10 | Hi |
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| 21:56.35 | Brack10 | what's the best way to run a command as a certain user when the computer starts up automatically? |
| 21:57.00 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 21:57.00 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 21:57.10 | enouf | Brack10: using a DM? likely ~/.xsession |
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| 21:58.19 | enouf | don't /etc/rc.local scripts run as root? or 'nobody' |
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| 21:58.35 | Brack10 | oh ok that works even better |
| 21:58.36 | abrotman | the @reboot is for him .. sorry |
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| 21:58.45 | Tobsn | is there a command to find out the highest number in a file? i have one number per line ;) |
| 21:58.58 | abrotman | tough really he can use any of those and su - <user> |
| 21:59.00 | JordiGH2 | So what's the status of the nvidia blob in lenny? |
| 21:59.04 | abrotman | Tobsn: sort -n |
| 21:59.06 | JordiGH2 | (fucking blob....) |
| 21:59.49 | JordiGH2 | Check the wiki, is it? |
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| 22:00.30 | abrotman | eyes the funny bot |
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| 22:04.40 | Tobsn | ah k, thanks |
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| 22:06.10 | l403 | the debian mplayer pacacge doesnt include menplayer, does it? |
| 22:06.16 | l403 | package |
| 22:06.18 | abrotman | mencoder you mean ? |
| 22:06.27 | l403 | yea! |
| 22:06.34 | abrotman | !tell l403 about dmm |
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| 22:07.00 | Tobsn | abrotman, it would sort from small to large right? so sort -n file | tail -n 1 should give me the highest value, right? |
| 22:07.02 | brian5555 | um |
| 22:07.05 | brian5555 | i added backports |
| 22:07.11 | brian5555 | but it wont let me get gnash |
| 22:07.12 | l403 | Oooh, ,thax, sounds fun! |
| 22:07.12 | brian5555 | :( |
| 22:07.13 | abrotman | Tobsn: try it and see |
| 22:07.13 | Tobsn | (its a 2 gig file so i better ask before i have it running for 20 mins ;)) |
| 22:07.23 | abrotman | Tobsn: try it with three lines |
| 22:07.27 | Tobsn | true |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | Tobsn: or i can try it .. whichever |
| 22:07.35 | Tobsn | i mean i guess im prolly right anyway |
| 22:07.38 | Tobsn | nah i try it |
| 22:07.40 | Tobsn | thanks ;) |
| 22:08.00 | abrotman | yeah .. goes ascending |
| 22:08.04 | Tobsn | im right |
| 22:08.14 | zash_ | could `sort -nr | head -n 1` be faster than `sort -n | tail -n 1` ? |
| 22:08.34 | Tobsn | prolly not |
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| 22:08.40 | abrotman | zash_: not likely, has to sort before sending to the pipe i believe |
| 22:08.45 | Tobsn | yep |
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| 22:08.49 | Tobsn | would be a sort either way |
| 22:09.37 | Tobsn | oh its not 2 gig, its only 1 gig... |
| 22:09.40 | Argus1 | hi |
| 22:09.42 | Tobsn | we'll see how long that will take... |
| 22:09.52 | enouf | du -sh . | sort -rng | less |
| 22:10.02 | enouf | er |
| 22:10.07 | enouf | du -ab . | sort -rng | less |
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| 22:10.31 | Tobsn | sort: options `-gn' are incompatible |
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| 22:10.47 | enouf | gah.. LC_ALL=C |
| 22:11.11 | enouf | or they changed it in newer versions or someshit |
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| 22:12.19 | enouf | eyes nouveau in exper, but has no idea why |
| 22:13.30 | abrotman | enouf: don't you have like a TNT2 ? |
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| 22:13.56 | enouf | yep, but swapped it out for a gf2 ;-) |
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| 22:14.24 | enouf | mx400 or somecrap - not any better - limited to agp 2x on chipset |
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| 22:14.55 | enouf | tnt2 has 32M, gf2 mx400 has 64M .. whoopi3 |
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| 22:15.24 | enouf | i'm looking for better 2D support ... |
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| 22:15.43 | enouf | but i heard .. ain't gonna happen |
| 22:16.24 | octoserver | enouf: I got grub to see my drives the same before and after boot, do you know how ? |
| 22:16.47 | octoserver | enouf: moved them around on the motherboard lol |
| 22:16.47 | enouf | octoserver: yes, i'm also in #grub ;-) |
| 22:16.59 | abrotman | enouf: that driver is pretty immature .. |
| 22:17.07 | enouf | righto abrotman |
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| 22:17.36 | enouf | octoserver: right - when BIOS doesn't listen.. use BF&I |
| 22:17.52 | enouf | octoserver: BF&I == Brute Force and Ignorance ;-) |
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| 22:19.45 | octoserver | enouf: lol, well the os drives were on sata 4 and 5 acordning to the bios, and grub doesnt seem to know that, or decides it wants the drive it is booting to to be (hd0) |
| 22:20.15 | octoserver | enouf: so i made it (hd0) physically. not because I neede to, but because it pissed me off lol |
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| 22:20.34 | octoserver | take that grub ;o |
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| 22:20.53 | theholyduck | octoserver, i had a grub/bios that constantly pulled the old switcharoo |
| 22:21.01 | theholyduck | hd2 became hd3 and the other way around |
| 22:21.24 | theholyduck | and thusly /dev/sdc2 became /dev/sdd2 |
| 22:21.25 | theholyduck | etc |
| 22:21.32 | theholyduck | so i started using labels instead :P |
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| 22:23.10 | enouf | octoserver: does your BIOS also have a setting for "Boot from [SATA, PATA, SCSI, PCI-{X,Express} Controller Card, Network, Removable Media] First" ?? My 1999 mobo does have something similar, as well as Boot from CD, HDD, floppy ... |
| 22:23.22 | brian5555 | um |
| 22:23.30 | brian5555 | i added backports to my sources.list |
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| 22:23.36 | octoserver | enouf: yea, it is rather new |
| 22:23.40 | brian5555 | but when i try and get something, nothing new is there |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 22:23.45 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 22:23.46 | enouf | it's also Possible your crappy mobo has a controller for PATA that doesn't allow you to Boot from PATA |
| 22:23.50 | octoserver | i can change the boot sequence around any way i want |
| 22:24.17 | octoserver | enouf: i can bot from usb fine too |
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| 22:25.11 | enouf | right - left that one out there |
| 22:25.19 | octoserver | enouf: someone in #grub was telling e that the disk that grub loads up from(on the MBR) gets labled (hd0) all of the time |
| 22:25.36 | brian5555 | i added backports to sources.list but now i get this: ng apt get update |
| 22:25.36 | brian5555 | <brian5555> http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signa |
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| 22:25.39 | enouf | yes |
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| 22:25.48 | enouf | i told you, i'm there octoserver ;-) |
| 22:25.58 | abrotman | brian5555: did you read the instructions at backports.org ? |
| 22:26.10 | octoserver | enouf: they told me a while ago |
| 22:26.26 | octoserver | enouf: you told me that yesterday too now that you mention it |
| 22:26.31 | enouf | i've been there awhile octoserver ;-) |
| 22:27.09 | enouf | octoserver: it's true, no i cannot possiblt read everything in all the channels i am in |
| 22:27.12 | SzArAk | hi. i'm trying to use PAM (/etc/security/access.conf) to control on wich tty user can't login, but it doesn't work. Even examples from that file doesn't work. system is a fresh debian stable install |
| 22:27.44 | SzArAk | any ideas on what could be wrong? maybe the whole file is ignored? |
| 22:27.45 | enouf | SzArAk: seen /etc/securetty ? |
| 22:27.54 | octoserver | enouf: so, my disk that is shown as channel 4 in the bios, comes up as /dev/sdc in debian. and hd(3)to grub while inside debian, but at boot time will always be (hd0) ? lol |
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| 22:28.33 | octoserver | enouf: so i made it channel 2 which is the first sata port |
| 22:28.44 | octoserver | enouf: channel 0 and 1 are IDE |
| 22:28.59 | enouf | wonderful |
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| 22:29.17 | enouf | octoserver: smart thinking |
| 22:29.18 | brian5555 | lol |
| 22:29.27 | SzArAk | enouf: yes. is it revelant to my case? i'm trying for instance to limit regular user to login on tty2. |
| 22:29.28 | octoserver | enouf:I wouldnt call it that lol |
| 22:29.57 | SzArAk | and man say's security/access.conf is the right place... |
| 22:29.59 | octoserver | enouf: if you cant hit the ball over the fence, pick it up and walk it over lol |
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| 22:31.23 | enouf | SzArAk: maybe not ..but /etc/security/pam_env.conf and /etc/pam.d/ might be .. not sure - sorry |
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| 22:31.44 | enouf | octoserver: heh |
| 22:31.49 | octoserver | enouf: i still think i am missing some wisdom, or something went astray, since what is the point of even having a device mapper, and even having to put root (hdwhatever) if it always uses (hd0) ? lol |
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| 22:33.07 | enouf | octoserver: grub can chainload and do it to itself even |
| 22:33.32 | HellMind | How can force to dhcp3client & pppoe to add the default route to a custom table? |
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| 22:34.01 | SzArAk | enouf: well, no. i've checked those files. in access.conf there are examples of exactly what i'm trying to do, but they don't work. maybe those changes has to be confirmed somehow? reloaded? |
| 22:34.49 | octoserver | enouf: maybe if my /boot was on (hd3)physically, and grub was actually on the MBR of (hd0) physically and I told to boot (hd3) soething would have worked ? lol |
| 22:35.02 | octoserver | enouf: not going to worry about it, wife is about to kill me |
| 22:35.52 | l403 | abrotman: I synced with the multimedia repository. tanxed for that but still no mencoder in the shell |
| 22:36.05 | enouf | octoserver: hd3 == 4th system HDD == 1st sata controller? |
| 22:36.12 | enouf | octoserver: if so, then yes ;-) |
| 22:36.47 | enouf | because you told your BIOS to boot from SATA ports over all other methods/buses/interfaces |
| 22:36.48 | HellMind | reply me |
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| 22:38.16 | abrotman | l403: you did an aptitude update ? |
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| 22:38.34 | l403 | yes |
| 22:38.49 | enouf | HellMind: i think you need to explain in more detail - also see ##networking |
| 22:38.56 | HellMind | ty |
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| 22:39.06 | l403 | was uptodate annd after added repository I git 14 new updates |
| 22:39.06 | abrotman | l403: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 22:39.13 | l403 | got |
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| 22:39.40 | abrotman | l403: which architecture ? |
| 22:39.47 | abrotman | l403: and which version of debian ? |
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| 22:40.49 | l403 | debian 4 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 07:56:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:41.04 | l403 | abrotman: still want the sources list? |
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| 22:41.07 | Adam_ | debian netinst cd says it wont work from a pci network card - what kind of devices use a pci network card? laptops? |
| 22:41.17 | abrotman | l403: apt-cache policy mencoder .. show anything ? |
| 22:41.37 | Eulex | Adam_, uh, sorry, where did you read that? most network cards are pci. |
| 22:41.48 | enouf | you mean pcmcia ? |
| 22:42.01 | Adam_ | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 22:42.06 | Guerin | and that's bollocks, it does work with pcmcia network cards |
| 22:42.10 | HellMind | enouf : why isnt clear my question? |
| 22:42.20 | enouf | HellMind: no idea |
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| 22:42.41 | Guerin | Adam_: Internal (PCI) ISDN cards |
| 22:42.47 | Guerin | (and wlan cards) |
| 22:43.18 | Eulex | some, but not all, wlan cards do work too |
| 22:43.22 | Adam_ | how do i know whether or not my pc has a pcmcia or internal pci card? |
| 22:43.32 | abrotman | Adam_: which OS are you in now? |
| 22:43.47 | Adam_ | i am in windows just now - i want to install debian on another pc |
| 22:43.51 | Eulex | Adam_, is it a laptop? is the network card a small flat card that you plug into the laptop? then it's pcmcia. |
| 22:43.51 | Guerin | Adam_: are you planning on using ISDN or wireless to install? |
| 22:43.56 | abrotman | Adam_: look in your device manager |
| 22:43.59 | Adam_ | but i want to do some research first and make sure it will all work |
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| 22:44.08 | Eulex | Adam_, but whether it is pcmcia or not does not matter. |
| 22:44.26 | enouf | Adam_: start > run > msinfo32 |
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| 22:45.17 | Adam_ | pci |
| 22:45.18 | l403 | abrotman: not installed. installling now. did not see the separate package in synaptic |
| 22:45.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:45.29 | Adam_ | enouf, it says it is pci |
| 22:45.31 | l403 | thanx |
| 22:45.37 | enouf | Adam_: you can grab the Vendor/DeviceID from there most times even the [xxxx:xxxx] from lspci - it's written diff as \PCIVendorXXX_\DEVICEXXX___\ and shit |
| 22:45.39 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to interpret "aptitude install"'s numeric scores? |
| 22:45.59 | abrotman | kingsley: i don't think that's even in the manual |
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| 22:46.21 | petemc | kingsley: lowre is better? |
| 22:46.25 | petemc | lower |
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| 22:47.20 | parrot | im a parrot |
| 22:47.23 | parrot | je suis un parrot |
| 22:47.33 | enouf | je suis un rock star |
| 22:47.54 | abrotman | a parrot bot? |
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| 22:48.01 | HellMind | How can force to dhcp3client & pppoe to add the default route to a custom table? |
| 22:48.05 | enouf | scurries back to the cave |
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| 22:48.09 | parrot | !get cracker |
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| 22:48.23 | Eulex | parrot, do you have a debian question? |
| 22:48.23 | parrot | sudo get me a cracker |
| 22:48.28 | parrot | yeah |
| 22:48.28 | abrotman | parrot: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:48.34 | Eulex | gmta |
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| 22:48.48 | parrot | is this the correct syntax?:sudo apt-get cracker |
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| 22:49.07 | Guerin | parrot: yes. |
| 22:49.14 | Guerin | parrot: now fuck off. |
| 22:49.16 | HellMind | -_- |
| 22:49.17 | parrot | also |
| 22:49.20 | parrot | how do i compile web? |
| 22:49.27 | abrotman | parrot: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 22:49.33 | parrot | yes |
| 22:49.34 | parrot | how do i compile web? |
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| 22:49.40 | abrotman | parrot: ask #web |
| 22:49.40 | Guerin | abrotman: time for clay-parrot shootin' |
| 22:49.58 | parrot | i gives me an error and directs me to "4chan.org" for more information |
| 22:50.19 | Guerin | that's the right answer |
| 22:50.23 | Guerin | now, off you fuck |
| 22:50.24 | enouf | see 5tunes-and-a-loon.com |
| 22:50.35 | chris_debian | Hi, all. My debian archive gpg keys have expired, so apt won't work on Etch. Anyone know how to update them? |
| 22:50.41 | parrot | renew them |
| 22:50.47 | abrotman | chris_debian: which keys? |
| 22:50.49 | Guerin | chris_debian: /topic |
| 22:50.55 | abrotman | Guerin: out of the topic IIRC |
| 22:50.58 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:51.04 | parrot | yeah |
| 22:51.07 | Guerin | bah, right you are |
| 22:51.09 | parrot | ur out of topic fag |
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| 22:51.17 | Guerin | 5, 4, 3 |
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| 22:51.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:51.31 | enouf | pull! |
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| 22:51.40 | Guerin | enouf: heh. |
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| 22:51.49 | lostson | lol |
| 22:51.58 | Eulex | DOUBLEKILL |
| 22:52.01 | dazjorz | has anybody ever heard of a version of 'bash' whose >> overwrites contents instead of appending? :/ |
| 22:52.09 | theholyduck | dazjorz, naw |
| 22:52.12 | theholyduck | > overwrites |
| 22:52.14 | theholyduck | >> appends |
| 22:52.15 | Guerin | dazjorz: sounds like the special hax0r version |
| 22:52.42 | Laeborg` | hello |
| 22:52.42 | Eulex | dazjorz, is it bash at all? |
| 22:52.51 | dazjorz | yes it is bash... :/ |
| 22:52.55 | dazjorz | I'm totally baffled too |
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| 22:53.04 | danners | UBLEKILL |
| 22:53.06 | Eulex | on debian? |
| 22:53.15 | enouf | dazjorz: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 22:53.25 | HellMind | How can force to dhcp3client & pppoe to add the default route to a custom table? |
| 22:53.26 | dazjorz | Eulex: it's not technically debian... yet |
| 22:53.33 | Laeborg` | i have dual boot with debian and windows xp, and then i have reinstalled windows xp, but windows has overwrited my boot.ini. I used GRUP bootloader before, anyone there can help me ? |
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| 22:53.36 | enouf | cygwin! |
| 22:53.37 | dazjorz | I think I'm going to take Debians bash and use that one instead |
| 22:53.42 | dazjorz | enouf: how'd you guess! :O |
| 22:53.50 | enouf | smite thee! |
| 22:53.54 | Eulex | dazjorz, ah, that cygwin-debian thingy you've been doing? |
| 22:54.23 | dazjorz | there we go! |
| 22:54.30 | dazjorz | lemme pastebin this, it's awesomely weird |
| 22:54.30 | dazjorz | Eulex: yeah |
| 22:54.37 | gewt | !sig |
| 22:54.37 | dpkg | i heard sig is a Special Interest Group, or a meeting of like-minded individuals, with the intention of drinking lots. 1337sp33k for signature |
| 22:54.39 | gewt | err |
| 22:54.42 | gewt | !dg |
| 22:54.45 | gewt | gah |
| 22:54.47 | gewt | !dig |
| 22:54.47 | dpkg | well, dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 22:54.52 | Eulex | dazjorz, well, prolly a bug in the cygwin bash. might be in the unix emulation layer if you're unlucky, and then using debian's won't help |
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| 22:54.58 | Eulex | !tell gewt about msg the bot |
| 22:55.08 | dazjorz | Eulex: yeah... |
| 22:55.16 | chris_debian | abrotman: I think it sain self signed-signatures, but when I do apt-key list (or something) it said they expired in 2007 |
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| 22:55.41 | abrotman | chris_debian: paste the output of the error and of apt-key list |
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| 22:55.56 | enouf | chris_debian: gpg --list-keys? |
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| 22:56.26 | enouf | chris_debian: you have a /root/.gnupg and a ~/.gnupg ? |
| 22:56.30 | chris_debian | Will try gpg --list-keys, errors are on my Sun box and I can't cut and paste easily....2 secs |
| 22:56.31 | zash_ | but where can one get the special haxor version of bash that can function somewhat like netcat? |
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| 22:56.47 | Laeborg` | http://pastebin.com/m45308535 - thats my currently boot.ini |
| 22:56.49 | dazjorz | can I get a nice report on what shell I'm running atm? |
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| 22:57.09 | dazjorz | just so everybody knows what software we're talking about? |
| 22:57.14 | chris_debian | error says _no public key_........ |
| 22:57.20 | dazjorz | oh right |
| 22:57.23 | dazjorz | ps aux | grep $$ will do |
| 22:57.27 | abrotman | or don't do it .. |
| 22:58.05 | chris_debian | When I did gpg --list-keys, it said it created /root/.gpg (I think) |
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| 22:58.38 | Eulex | dazjorz, echo $SHELL |
| 22:58.57 | chris_debian | enouf: Public key not availavble |
| 22:59.05 | dazjorz | http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=3845 |
| 22:59.08 | dazjorz | oh, right |
| 22:59.11 | enouf | dazjorz: pstree -lunap | egrep 'tty|pts' :-p |
| 22:59.11 | HellMind | How can force to dhcp3client & pppoe to add the default route to a custom table? |
| 22:59.23 | abrotman | chris_debian: paste the output of the error and of apt-key list |
| 22:59.29 | dazjorz | enouf: no pstree ;) |
| 22:59.35 | enouf | chris_debian: someone else was helping .. and do as they ask please |
| 22:59.37 | dazjorz | I'm gonna try and get the Debian version of bash |
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| 22:59.51 | simeon | I hope I don't start a war again like yesterday but I need to move my installation to a different partition and I don't know what to use cp or dd and what arguments |
| 22:59.52 | enouf | dazjorz: any ps aux then |
| 22:59.59 | chris_debian | I can't paste it, It's on another box. Will have a look at error |
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| 23:00.13 | abrotman | chris_debian: install openssh-server .. ssh in and get the errors |
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| 23:00.31 | hikenboot | hello I have setup a chroot sftp setup I am able to log in to sftp via the root user but not a user I created I know its some sort of permissions problem but how do i resolve it? |
| 23:00.34 | dazjorz | enouf: see link ;) |
| 23:00.38 | chris_debian | apt is broken, that could be difficult |
| 23:00.52 | VI_Lenin | Hi everybody! Can you please advise how to influence routing before user logon? I've added route command to the end of startup sequence and got no response. |
| 23:01.00 | chris_debian | Checking error.... |
| 23:01.03 | abrotman | chris_debian: is it broken? or tells you the files are untrusted? |
| 23:02.16 | chris_debian | abrotman: says "Public key not available" |
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| 23:03.16 | abrotman | chris_debian: which key? |
| 23:03.25 | chris_debian | Checking... |
| 23:03.55 | chris_debian | apt-key list |
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| 23:04.10 | chris_debian | Sorry, wrong keyboard... |
| 23:04.13 | martiiin | I want to set up a VPN server, I only have access to a terminal window trough ssh. Any vpn server for debian that i can configure completely trough the terminal and then connect from my XP machine? |
| 23:04.43 | chris_debian | "Debian archive automatic signing key" |
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| 23:06.27 | abrotman | chris_debian: is debian-keyring installed? |
| 23:07.05 | simeon | Any help moving that install to a different partition cp, dd or rsync ? |
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| 23:08.12 | martiiin | I want to set up a VPN server, I only have access to a terminal window trough ssh. Any vpn server for debian that i can configure completely trough the terminal and then connect from my XP machine? |
| 23:08.30 | chris_debian | abrotman: checking |
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| 23:08.50 | abrotman | martiiin: openvpn ? |
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| 23:09.45 | brian5555 | hey, i have installed gnash from backports. but youtube doesnt work in iceweasel: what do i do |
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| 23:10.44 | petemc | ddont use gnash |
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| 23:12.44 | Tecumseh | hi everyone. Is there a way to simulate the upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 23:12.55 | HellMind | How can force to dhcp3client & pppoe to add the default route to a custom table? |
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| 23:15.43 | brian5555 | i am running debian etch and i just installed gnash from the backports but gnash doesnt work in iceweasel |
| 23:15.53 | brian5555 | anyone know how to fix |
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| 23:17.23 | enouf | Tecumseh: you mean man apt-get - see -s ? |
| 23:17.25 | petemc | brian5555: you might have more luck using adobes flash |
| 23:17.28 | Brack10 | If you create an init.d service and run a process interactively, is it possible to control the process? |
| 23:17.56 | brian5555 | is adobe flash available from debian etch repos |
| 23:17.59 | Brack10 | or better yet, is there a guide to creating them? |
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| 23:18.07 | leOn | brian5555: from non-free |
| 23:18.09 | petemc | brian5555: start-stop-daemon might do what you want |
| 23:18.50 | petemc | Brack10: ^^^^ |
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| 23:19.01 | Brack10 | ok |
| 23:19.06 | leOn | brian5555: flashplugin-nonfree if i'm not mistaken |
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| 23:19.52 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 23:19.56 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:19.56 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release or testing (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 23:20.09 | Brack10 | petemc: E: Couldn't find package start-stop-daemon |
| 23:20.23 | enouf | !+tell brian5555 -about backports.org |
| 23:20.23 | petemc | Brack10: you have it already |
| 23:20.24 | dpkg | told brian5555 about backports.org. |
| 23:20.27 | Brack10 | oh |
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| 23:20.51 | brian5555 | i used backports to get gnash..... |
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| 23:24.46 | Tecumseh | enouf: yep, that's what I mean. Would it also work for a dist-upgrade |
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| 23:31.51 | hikenboot | hello I have setup a chroot sftp setup I am able to log in to sftp via the root user but not a user I created I know its some sort of permissions problem but how do i resolve it? |
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| 23:37.41 | petemc | hikenboot: lookedd aaat scponly? |
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| 23:37.57 | abrotman | wonders what's up with petemc's keyboard |
| 23:38.30 | thehurley | hello, i have a minor issue in that the last login is not being displayed each time i ssh into my machine. can anyone help? |
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| 23:38.47 | petemc | its nearly midnight saturday, the problem is prrobably more to do with thhe booze |
| 23:39.01 | thehurley | or a sticky keyboard |
| 23:39.09 | petemc | or both |
| 23:39.14 | thehurley | because its a saturday night |
| 23:39.20 | petemc | this isnt my usual laptizzle |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | petemc: ah ok |
| 23:40.18 | petemc | my mac is teh broken, on aaan old dell i had laying aroundf |
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| 23:41.41 | hikenboot | petemc what do you mean ? a config issue with sshd? |
| 23:42.09 | petemc | hikenboot: no, its a simple way to achieve what (i think) you want |
| 23:43.08 | abrotman | that amd64 qemu install is still trying toinstall grub |
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| 23:43.28 | hikenboot | thanks petemc |
| 23:44.27 | petemc | nnp |
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| 23:46.15 | martiiin | What is the best temperature program for debian? |
| 23:46.22 | abrotman | finger! |
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| 23:46.45 | martiiin | On windows i got maybe 4-5 different readings on my sensors. With lm_sensors i get 1 |
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| 23:50.35 | enouf | Tecumseh: i don't see why not, also, it'll work with aptitude, man aptitude |
| 23:52.11 | enouf | Tecumseh: it's recommended that you "/msg dpkg lenny release notes" |
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| 23:52.29 | enouf | (when you upgrade from etch->lenny) |
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| 23:53.06 | Tecumseh | thx enouf, did an aptitude -s safe-upgrade. Have a bit of minor problems to clean up first because I'm using a trimmed down version of php |
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| 23:53.26 | MarcoBXBRO1 | what is the best backup tool to use for debain, there is about 20 good ones any recommedations |
| 23:53.48 | Mark_Jones | Hello I have installed the Gmount-iso deb file from Ubuntu Gutsy on Debian Etch and Im wondering how to enter a command into startup programs in the session tool, to have Gmount-iso mount the DVD1 Binary at bootup, but be able to do so while granting the correct privledge(sp?).Manually using Gmount-iso requires me to use the Root Terminal instead of the normal user terminal.Anyone know how to do this? |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | depends on your needs |
| 23:54.01 | amphi | uses rsync |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | amphi: what's your backup medium ? |
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| 23:55.10 | amphi | external hd |
| 23:55.37 | abrotman | i'm not sure if rsync can go to tape, never tried |
| 23:55.54 | abrotman | says it works on devices though .. so i guess it would |
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| 23:56.52 | MarcoBXBRO1 | well I want a backup a server full backup once a month and every saturday diff backup any suggestions. |
| 23:57.35 | abrotman | backup to what? |
| 23:59.02 | djs26 | Ok, for hosting Server VMs, which free tech would you pick - VMWare Server, Kqemu, Xen, <other> |
| 23:59.07 | MarcoBXBRO1 | remote ssh |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | rsync over ssh ? |
| 23:59.24 | enouf | that amswers 'via', not 'to what' |
| 23:59.32 | paxcoder | I just had a superturbobriliant idea. Make an option so that everything after su (after gaining root privileges) is highlighted (reverse rmso and smso). that way you'll always know when you're in root because it'll bother you until you exit. less likely to issue unwanted command, and a way to avoid sudo. |
| 23:59.35 | MarcoBXBRO1 | does rsync do differential |
| 23:59.58 | enouf | yes, and so does rdiff-backup |
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