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| 00:08.23 | vlt | Hello. I'm connected to a machine (very far) away and want it to boot Debian next time. I did the following: Install grub to hd, cfdisk, mkfs, mount, deboostrap lenny, chroot, passwd, install openssh-server and kernel, edit menu.lst, interfaces and fstab. Anything that _must_ let this setup fail or can I try a reboot now? |
| 00:08.40 | pablo | hi, i havent read debian policy completely. is right to have a required dependency only for runing a postinst script? or this is a bug? |
| 00:09.40 | streuner | did you look at BTS yet? |
| 00:09.50 | pablo | streuner: yes |
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| 00:09.58 | abrotman | he wasn't asking you |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | !tell pablo about mentors |
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| 00:10.42 | vlt | streuner: BTS? |
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| 00:10.58 | streuner | !bts |
| 00:10.58 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 00:12.00 | vlt | streuner: Ok, that's what I thought (until abrotman confused me ;-) |
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| 00:13.27 | pablo | abrotman: you are telling me i should ask at #debian-mentors? |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | probably |
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| 00:14.27 | edenroz | hello,i have a sony viao vgn-cs11z, how can i use the touchbutton? (play/foward and sound control). am under ubuntu 8.10. sorry if i repeat again |
| 00:15.21 | dmoerner | edenroz: ask in #ubuntu |
| 00:16.02 | edenroz | dmoerner, in #ubuntu no one know how to solve issue |
| 00:16.17 | abrotman | edenroz: then install debian |
| 00:16.29 | streuner | we support Debian, please respect that |
| 00:16.32 | vlt | Aah, I forgot one important thing: Will it still be /dev/hda or /dev/sda when the new kernel actually has booted? |
| 00:16.35 | themill | dpkg: tell edenroz about they don't know |
| 00:16.58 | edenroz | streuner, u have right sorry |
| 00:17.06 | dmoerner | edenroz: if you went to a butcher and asked for advice on cooking a ham but he didn't know, would you go to a bakery and ask the same question? |
| 00:17.46 | edenroz | dmoerner, debian isnt a bakery... is ubuntu mommy :D |
| 00:17.55 | abrotman | enough of that |
| 00:18.45 | x1250 | hah |
| 00:18.47 | newsense | "ubuntu mommy" at least hes fresh i havent heard that one yet |
| 00:19.28 | x1250 | still laughs |
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| 00:19.49 | newsense | more like ubuntus stepfather that beats it and denies being the father and wants a paternity test |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | stop already |
| 00:19.58 | newsense | maybe i went too far sorry |
| 00:20.16 | abrotman | go to #debian-offtopic if you want to be goofy |
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| 00:21.46 | vlt | Will a /dev/hda on 2.6.18 still be /dev/hda on Lenny's 2.6.26-1 or /dev/sda? I need it to prepare the kernel boot parameter "root=" ... |
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| 00:22.56 | newsense | wlt should still be hda, or hdb if you changed disk order or changed bios settings |
| 00:23.52 | newsense | wlt you could add disk-by-uuid |
| 00:24.19 | vlt | newsense: Aaah, yes! Thank you! |
| 00:24.32 | newsense | !uuid |
| 00:24.33 | dpkg | i heard uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 00:24.45 | newsense | wlt no problem |
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| 00:25.38 | abrotman | newsense: that's a 'v' |
| 00:26.20 | newsense | abrotman, huh |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | his nick .. |
| 00:27.14 | newsense | an i need glasses |
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| 00:29.45 | vlt | abrotman: Thanks. I'm used to follow every line carefully: In many cases I get answers to "vit" ;-) |
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| 00:32.26 | abrotman | vlt: get a real nick! :) |
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| 00:33.43 | vlt | newsense: Just to be sure: Th factoid says "to mount or boot". Does "boot" mean "loading the rootfs" here, too? |
| 00:34.33 | newsense | vlt, mounting the root fs |
| 00:34.40 | pablo | hi, someone knows why iceweasel package depends on procps and psmisc? |
| 00:35.07 | x1250 | pablo, see for yourself, aptitude show somepkg |
| 00:35.31 | newsense | try aptitude depends iceweasel |
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| 00:35.49 | pablo | x1250: cant that be done with apt? |
| 00:36.00 | newsense | aptitude why procps iceweasel |
| 00:36.09 | newsense | that is what i meant |
| 00:36.17 | x1250 | pablo I use aptitude, do it with whatever tool you use :) |
| 00:36.43 | vlt | newsense: Yes, you're right: it's actually mounting the device in "root=UUID=fefe-dead-..." |
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| 00:37.08 | pablo | x1250: what does that displays? |
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| 00:38.27 | newsense | pablo, aptitude why procps iceweasel will tell ya exactly why |
| 00:38.35 | x1250 | pablo, a lot of stuff, dependencies included. Take a look at the man. |
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| 00:39.53 | x1250 | pablo, it seems that newsense solution is far better |
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| 00:41.30 | pablo | newsense: is there an apt equvalent? |
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| 00:41.44 | x1250 | pablo, why not use aptitude? |
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| 00:42.18 | Dewi | !aptitude |
| 00:42.19 | dpkg | aptitude is probably now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a CLI replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 00:42.25 | newsense | pablo, i forget havent used apt in while read the man or at least get the usage apt-cahce --help |
| 00:43.10 | themill | newsense: you want "aptitude why iceweasel procps" not the other way around |
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| 00:43.48 | newsense | themill, heh thought that was what i typed thanks for correcting me |
| 00:44.00 | themill | the other way around is just... strange. |
| 00:44.07 | pablo | newsense: it doesnt tell me why |
| 00:45.29 | themill | pablo: have a look inside /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 00:46.46 | pablo | themill: what with it? |
| 00:47.25 | themill | pablo: it uses pgrep which is in the procps package. |
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| 00:48.30 | vlt | newsense: Thanks again. It worked! It mounted the rootfs from UUID. I debootstrapped lenny on a plain machine only via ssh. And it's still /dev/hda, btw. |
| 00:48.45 | pablo | themill: eh? can you tell me how you figure that out |
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| 00:49.00 | OneClickB | www.myspace.com/oneclickbeats <- best producer online right now, Awesome music check it out |
| 00:49.08 | themill | !ops OneClickB is spamming |
| 00:49.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: OneClickB is spamming |
| 00:49.15 | elik | going going gone! |
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| 00:49.22 | newsense | vlt, cool good to hear it worked :) |
| 00:49.25 | themill | pablo: figure out which part? |
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| 00:49.47 | pablo | themill: taht it uses pgrep |
| 00:49.48 | MatBoy | weird, debian seems to have a MySQL version that gives a empty result where it gives result on ubuntu... so 32 vs 51a :S |
| 00:49.59 | themill | pablo: I read it just as I told you to do |
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| 00:51.07 | pablo | themill: look inside a binary? |
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| 00:51.20 | themill | it's not a binary |
| 00:51.30 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/36168 |
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| 00:52.59 | Hobz | I'm interested in putting debian on my laptop as a primary OS. Linux is not new to me, I was running Gentoo for a while but found it too time consuming. I'm wondering if anybody could lend their impressions of some of the quagmires and inconveniences they've encountered running Debian (not trying to troll, just need opinions) |
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| 00:53.53 | pablo | themill: mm that script was made by debian or firefox also distributes that? |
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| 00:54.27 | themill | no idea. Grab the firefox source yourself and find out. |
| 00:55.37 | elik | Hobz, the best you can get, repositories are wonderful.. packages for a lot of stuff |
| 00:56.01 | elik | Hobz, I stick with lenny though, so I get more up to date packages |
| 00:56.23 | Hobz | how reliable are backports for getting up to date stuff on a stable system? |
| 00:56.40 | elik | Hobz, might as well stay in testing |
| 00:56.46 | Hobz | hmm |
| 00:56.55 | Hobz | what's it like running lenny? |
| 00:56.58 | elik | Hobz, unless you want to run a server or something... testing is fairly stable |
| 00:57.08 | elik | Hobz, never broke on me... |
| 00:57.15 | Hobz | what do you use it for? |
| 00:57.15 | streuner | testing is testing :-) |
| 00:57.20 | elik | Hobz, sid is another story I suppose |
| 00:57.23 | elik | Hobz, school |
| 00:57.47 | streuner | well, for production server we recommend (of course) stable |
| 00:57.56 | Hobz | elik, what are you taking? |
| 00:57.58 | elik | I did mention that |
| 00:58.10 | elik | Hobz, lenny |
| 00:58.18 | Hobz | I'm not running a production server, this would be a laptop. |
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| 00:58.43 | streuner | what kind of experience do you have with Debian? |
| 00:58.47 | elik | Hobz, for me, stable is just a bit too old... and lenny is not too risky |
| 00:59.05 | streuner | lenny is the same as sid, IMHO |
| 00:59.15 | streuner | speaking about risk |
| 00:59.15 | Hobz | streuner, I've tried a few live CDs based on knoppix, some friends of mine have used it. Though they both run BSD now |
| 00:59.35 | streuner | so nothing at all |
| 00:59.49 | Hobz | ya, nothing really debian specific |
| 00:59.54 | MatBoy | yes ! Debian has a bug in MySQL with version 5.0.32 |
| 00:59.56 | Hobz | gentoo a bit, some slackware |
| 00:59.58 | streuner | just start with stable, get some experience and upgrade later then |
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| 01:00.15 | Hobz | streuner, probably a good idea |
| 01:00.54 | Hobz | do you have many problems with dependancies clashing? |
| 01:01.04 | streuner | new laptops are sometimes a bitch, and you need newer kernels then.. |
| 01:01.04 | elik | not in stable, of course |
| 01:01.06 | kevind23 | I'm compiling 2.6.28 with make-kpkg, and I accidentally deleted the .deb file it made, is there a way to force it to make a new one without cleaning? |
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| 01:01.58 | streuner | Hobz: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 01:02.01 | Hobz | streuner, my old acer travelmate is slowly falling apart on me, I'm looking at a eeepc or an MSI wind |
| 01:02.20 | streuner | eeepc's are usually good supported |
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| 01:02.24 | elik | streuner, considering lenny is nearing release... wouldn't it be safe enough? |
| 01:02.24 | streuner | !eeepc |
| 01:02.24 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 01:02.34 | Hobz | yeehaw, thanks buddy |
| 01:02.37 | streuner | elik: nope |
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| 01:02.54 | streuner | elik: we recommend only stable for new Debian users |
| 01:03.00 | Hobz | how far off is the new release? |
| 01:03.18 | streuner | when all bugs are gone |
| 01:03.37 | streuner | nobody knows when that happen |
| 01:03.50 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 01:03.50 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
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| 01:04.30 | Hobz | oh good, wpa_supplicant is built in |
| 01:04.48 | Hobz | this is kind of refreshing |
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| 01:05.40 | RoenieSrvr | i'm kinda worried that a specific linux system's may experience a hardware crash, it wasn't installed by me but i need to make sure i can restore it quickly. i want to do so by creating an image of the OS partition, and some sort of CD I can boot the machine from |
| 01:05.59 | elik | You can look into ubuntu as well.. debian offspring.. got some interesting characteristics, you can ask on #ubuntu |
| 01:06.00 | RoenieSrvr | and then restore the image, without having to install a base linux OS first after the crash |
| 01:06.08 | RoenieSrvr | what should i use? just plain old Ghost? |
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| 01:06.31 | csc_ | hello |
| 01:06.39 | csc_ | i know here are experts. |
| 01:06.49 | csc_ | given a path of a dir, how can i know how much free disc space there's under that path? (pls consider a generic situation where mountpoints can be connected to different devices) |
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| 01:07.37 | kevind23 | how did we go from reccomending etch to ubuntu |
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| 01:07.45 | Hobz | elik, I'm less interested in ubuntu |
| 01:08.04 | themill | csc_: df /path/to/dir |
| 01:08.22 | elik | Hobz, not recommending, just pointing to other options |
| 01:08.32 | Hobz | noted |
| 01:09.17 | elik | if you want it recommended, you can probably go there :) |
| 01:09.25 | Hobz | ;) |
| 01:09.34 | csc_ | :O |
| 01:10.11 | csc_ | i did not know df accepted dirs as well |
| 01:10.14 | csc_ | interesting |
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| 01:13.43 | x1250 | didn't know that too. |
| 01:13.56 | pablo | themill: ok thanks, i will check firefox source, i think that script was added by debian |
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| 01:26.00 | kolpur | i'm using poland mirror as repository.. but my problem is that my gimp version is 2.4 where the latest version in the repo is 2.6 .. when i say apt-get update .. i'm not getting updates |
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| 01:26.06 | kolpur | what could be the problem ? |
| 01:26.12 | kolpur | please anyone help me out |
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| 01:26.51 | enouf | csc_: du -ab /path/to/dir | sort -rng | less |
| 01:27.09 | x1250 | kolpur, check whats the latest version on the repo with apt-cache policy gimp |
| 01:29.35 | kolpur | x1250 : its 2.4.7 ... but when i navigated through browser it had 2.6.3 |
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| 01:31.20 | themill | judd versions gimp |
| 01:31.21 | judd | themill: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.4.7-1 experimental: 2.6.3-1 |
| 01:31.32 | themill | kolpur: 2.6.3 is only in experimental |
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| 01:40.15 | drichards | q: on etch I have mpfr-2.2.0, apparently there is a 2.3.2 version but upgrade does not see it. Is there a site I should add to my /etc/apt/sources.list to get this? |
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| 01:43.04 | edenroz | dpkg, tell dpkg they don't know |
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| 01:45.55 | pkrumins | can aptitude do the same as apt-cache? namely search for packages? apt-cache search 'foo' |
| 01:46.53 | supersoundguy | pkrumins: yes aptitude search <pkgname> |
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| 01:47.03 | pkrumins | nice. |
| 01:47.10 | pkrumins | looking if it also has --names-only |
| 01:47.31 | dmoerner | by default it searches names |
| 01:47.36 | pkrumins | ah. |
| 01:47.37 | dmoerner | to search descriptions run aptitude search ~dstring |
| 01:47.48 | pkrumins | add a tilde before? |
| 01:47.53 | dmoerner | ~d before |
| 01:48.13 | pkrumins | oic. |
| 01:48.15 | pkrumins | thanks. |
| 01:48.17 | dmoerner | you can also combine this, for instance to show installed packages that have "lib" in their name and "gtk" in their description |
| 01:48.25 | dmoerner | aptitude search ~i~nlib~dgtk |
| 01:48.37 | pkrumins | what's the ~i |
| 01:48.41 | pkrumins | case insens? |
| 01:48.44 | dmoerner | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ |
| 01:48.49 | dmoerner | ~i = installed |
| 01:48.50 | apt | You = installed? |
| 01:48.52 | dmoerner | case sensitive |
| 01:48.52 | pkrumins | ah. |
| 01:49.05 | dmoerner | I always forget about all the bots in here... |
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| 01:52.55 | s3a | can someone tell me if the reason that the program tvtime doesn't see my broadcast channels is because of a configuration or driver problem please? |
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| 01:55.25 | Blazeix | Does anybody know which CD I should download for a "AMD-K6 3D" cpu? |
| 01:55.32 | enouf | themill: the result of a df on a dir/ not yet mounted will show the / point amount it seems? |
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| 01:55.34 | Blazeix | or does debian no longer support this cpu |
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| 01:56.16 | bzaks | When trying to run split, I say this: "split --line-bytes=8G foo-backup.tar.gz foo-backup_" however its giving me 'invalid number of byes' ---- what should I change about my command line? |
| 01:56.32 | enouf | themill: nm, i ran df on a /mnt/point not yet mounted -- duh |
| 01:56.42 | Zharf | Blazeix, it does <.< |
| 01:57.14 | dmoerner | Blazeix: just use x86 |
| 01:57.22 | dmoerner | k6 is supported still |
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| 01:57.35 | bzaks | no love :-( |
| 01:57.39 | Blazeix | cool, thanks |
| 01:57.42 | dmoerner | at least according to http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 01:57.45 | Zharf | dmoerner, 'still', why would it ever drop support |
| 01:57.55 | dmoerner | they dropped 386 |
| 01:57.56 | dmoerner | and m68k |
| 01:58.07 | dmoerner | because of lack of developers on the older hardware |
| 01:58.10 | dmoerner | and upstream kernel changes |
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| 01:58.37 | Zharf | how lame, well you can always use older kernel |
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| 01:59.04 | Zharf | not that anyone would want to run anything on a 386 anymore |
| 01:59.28 | bzaks | Zharf... WHY NOT?!?!?! :-D |
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| 02:01.54 | stew | the reason that 386 was dropped is not becuase of the kernel but becuase of libc6 aiui |
| 02:02.14 | stew | and I believe m68k was dropped becuase the buidds don't keep up |
| 02:02.35 | Zharf | stew, too slow, new stuff coming too fast so it can't build them fast enough? :) |
| 02:02.51 | stew | yes |
| 02:03.35 | Zharf | hehe] |
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| 02:04.30 | PeterFA | Ok, so I made a custom kernel. In it I compiled in initramfs and installed the bzImage. I then tried to boot it but it failed, saying it couldn't execute "/init," so I reconfigured grub to give an initrd file from another kernel which is known good, same problem. I don't know what to do. |
| 02:05.08 | PeterFA | I manually set up the source for the initramfs how the Gentoo howto on the topic suggested. |
| 02:05.49 | PeterFA | init is exacutable. |
| 02:05.49 | avu | !tell PeterFA about kernel-package |
| 02:07.10 | PeterFA | How do I less a tgz file? |
| 02:07.48 | avu | if you mean 'how do I list its contents', the t option to tar does that. man tar |
| 02:08.14 | PeterFA | I mean a gz file. |
| 02:08.20 | PeterFA | I guess less would have a filter. |
| 02:08.24 | Zharf | PeterFA, zless |
| 02:08.26 | avu | zless |
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| 02:09.05 | avu | or use a pager that handles this stuff automatically, like most |
| 02:09.41 | Zharf | I never got used to using mots |
| 02:09.44 | Zharf | most |
| 02:10.15 | jelly-home | less has filters as well (I know not how they're used) |
| 02:10.22 | PeterFA | Meh, I don't think the lenny kernel-package package has 2.6.28. |
| 02:10.42 | avu | PeterFA, kernel-package is used to build your own kernels |
| 02:10.48 | Zharf | my sid box still has 2.6.26 I think |
| 02:10.50 | avu | PeterFA, read what the bot wrote |
| 02:10.52 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 02:11.08 | avu | (and the other factoids it mentioned) |
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| 02:13.23 | PeterFA | Well, that makes life easy. |
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| 02:17.41 | PeterFA | waits another really long time. |
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| 02:34.19 | karikar1 | hi, can anyone tell me what the most popular irc client is? the only one I'm familiar with is xchat and i'm currently using just pidgin. What should I go with? |
| 02:34.46 | drichards | Am I correct in assuming that te sid package list format has changed from etch and that etch's apt-get update won't be able to parse them? |
| 02:34.56 | newsense | !irssi |
| 02:34.56 | dpkg | hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org , http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 02:35.11 | newsense | or xchat for gui |
| 02:35.28 | karikar1 | ok nice, thanks : ) |
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| 02:37.06 | dvs | karikar1: I use both Xchat and pidgin |
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| 02:39.42 | RRAMOS | someone use sshfs on Debian ? |
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| 02:39.48 | karikar1 | yes |
| 02:39.48 | karikar1 | a lot |
| 02:40.35 | RRAMOS | because i have a problem with sshfs on Debian etch... |
| 02:40.45 | karikar1 | dvs, okay, good to know : ) |
| 02:40.56 | karikar1 | rramos, okay, what problem? |
| 02:41.10 | Zharf | RRAMOS, ask your question |
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| 02:41.46 | RRAMOS | sometimes the connection is dropped |
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| 02:42.26 | Zharf | RRAMOS, is there a network error? :) |
| 02:42.56 | RRAMOS | the message is transport endpoint is not connected |
| 02:43.13 | RRAMOS | i think not... |
| 02:43.27 | abrotman | is there a router in between timing out the connection ? |
| 02:43.27 | PeterFA | Why is it that compiling a kernel doesn't make my system slow even though CPU is at 100% while Flock/FF make my system unresponsive as heck when it gets too old? |
| 02:44.03 | PeterFA | (How much does FF suck, in other words?) |
| 02:44.09 | abrotman | PeterFA: memory usage vs cpu usage ? |
| 02:44.58 | PeterFA | abrotman, both go way high during FF when it gest too hol. |
| 02:45.01 | karikar1 | rramos: I often get that when the connection goes down (even if it comes up again) |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | hol ? |
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| 02:45.21 | PeterFA | Old. |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | RRAMOS: can you sustain a regular ssh connection with no activity ? |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | PeterFA: FF is a freaking hot |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | hog |
| 02:45.30 | RRAMOS | [karikar1] after this problem i have installed the sshfs using Debian testing |
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| 02:45.38 | RRAMOS | and the problem disappeared |
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| 02:46.10 | RRAMOS | there is a bug with fuse mod on Debian etch... |
| 02:46.42 | RRAMOS | i think... |
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| 02:48.00 | carlosz | hi, kind of a silly question, but i want to ask anyway: i've installed apt-build in a netbook with atom processor and it asked about the architecture listing several pentium as options |
| 02:49.18 | carlosz | which should i select? pentium , pentium mmx, pentium4... |
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| 02:51.47 | abrotman | carlosz: i'd guess p4 .. maybe ask ##hardware or wikipedia |
| 02:53.29 | Tekno | i'd choose 686 |
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| 02:54.33 | abrotman | you mean mmx |
| 02:54.53 | Tekno | "Future versions of GCC might have a specific ATOM model. Until they do, |
| 02:54.53 | Tekno | tune=generic is the right thing based on tests over a few gcc versions. |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | generic .. yay |
| 02:55.44 | Tekno | "It can share some flags with other |
| 02:55.44 | Tekno | processors but has some very special features." |
| 02:55.52 | carlosz | generic then |
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| 02:56.08 | abrotman | so what's the point of using apt-build ? |
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| 02:59.02 | carlosz | actually, i just want to add readline support to php-cli |
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| 03:02.32 | abrotman | carlosz: that seems overkill |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | or not |
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| 03:04.02 | carlosz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:05.12 | abrotman | carlosz: hold on |
| 03:05.33 | abrotman | i'd be really surprised if it didn't have it somehwere |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | carlosz: what happense if you try to use a readline() ? |
| 03:08.06 | carlosz | php-cli doesn't have readline suported |
| 03:08.19 | carlosz | it's for using a php console like python has |
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| 03:10.31 | abrotman | i know what ti's for .. |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | carlosz: oh, a licensing issue |
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| 03:11.33 | carlosz | yeah |
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| 03:20.25 | smacnay | Anyone using f-spot know of a way to start it as root or just update the extensions? |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | sux? |
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| 03:27.45 | miksuh | smacnay: why would you want to run it as a root? |
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| 03:28.07 | miksuh | I don'ät think that's an good idea |
| 03:28.12 | miksuh | don't |
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| 03:33.44 | smacnay | miksuh: to update some outdated and non-working extensions |
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| 03:41.08 | FlightOfStairs | hello. I've just moved from gentoo to debian for my desktop, and I'm having trouble with the screen resolution. Even when i use the same xorg.conf file as with gentoo, 1440x900 always displays in 4:3 and stretches it vertically and chops the bottom off. can anyone help? |
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| 03:41.18 | stoned | seriously |
| 03:41.27 | FlightOfStairs | other resolutions worked fine |
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| 03:41.58 | stoned | FlightOfStairs, xorg.conf pastebin, as well as the log file, also which driver? which gfx card? which monitor |
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| 03:43.22 | FlightOfStairs | http://pastebin.com/m4410e84e , radeon 9200se, tried the radeon and ati drivers |
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| 03:45.16 | FlightOfStairs | oh |
| 03:45.18 | FlightOfStairs | sorry |
| 03:45.19 | FlightOfStairs | logfile |
| 03:46.39 | vande | FlightOfStairs: http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes it can help you |
| 03:46.39 | FlightOfStairs | http://pastebin.com/m69ce819c |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 03:47.14 | FlightOfStairs | i used the 4.0r6 cd |
| 03:47.28 | FlightOfStairs | i'll have a look at that, thanks |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | FlightOfStairs: does xrandr list it as a mode ? |
| 03:47.57 | FlightOfStairs | yes |
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| 03:48.03 | vande | FlightOfStairs: you can mv xorg.conf -> bak and Xorg -configure to get a new one |
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| 03:48.05 | abrotman | and you can change to it fine ? |
| 03:48.10 | FlightOfStairs | i've done that |
| 03:48.15 | FlightOfStairs | same result |
| 03:48.34 | abrotman | can you use xrandr to change the resolution successfully ? |
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| 03:49.12 | vande | FlightOfStairs: 1.install driver 2.change screen size 3.edit modeline |
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| 03:49.25 | FlightOfStairs | abrotman: yes, except for the problem |
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| 03:49.56 | abrotman | stoned: how many times did you claim that orphan :) |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | FlightOfStairs: does it scroll up/down ? |
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| 03:51.18 | FlightOfStairs | if i use the monitor settings to move the screen up, it keeps going, but it doesnt go far enough to get to the bottom edge |
| 03:52.11 | FlightOfStairs | the mouse just goes off the bottom without it scrolling |
| 03:52.31 | abrotman | sounds like there's a virtual desktop larger than your actual viewable screen |
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| 03:54.58 | pab | Trying to bridge virtualbox. This works (http://pastebin.com/m67bc4fb8) but I need static ip. Can someone help? Debian testing if that helps. |
| 03:55.35 | FlightOfStairs | abrotman: looking into virtual desktops. thanks. |
| 03:56.01 | abrotman | FlightOfStairs: FWIW, lenny may handle it better |
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| 04:02.13 | Hazelesque | the 2.6.26-1-sparc64 kernel doesn't seem to come with modules for PCMCIA support |
| 04:02.30 | Hazelesque | I've (physically) installed a PCI-cardbus adapter in my Sun Ultra 5 |
| 04:02.47 | Hazelesque | and would like to be able to use a cardbus WWAN card in it |
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| 04:03.10 | Hazelesque | is it possible to build the PCMCIA modules for this kernel without having to rebuild the entire kernel? |
| 04:03.35 | Hazelesque | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html < this talks about rebuilding an identical kernel, OR building a custom kernel (with a different revision) |
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| 04:03.44 | Hazelesque | I just want to build some more modules |
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| 04:03.52 | Hazelesque | any tips? |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | Hazelesque: none at all ? |
| 04:04.16 | FlightOfStairs | solved the problem - i specified modelines but then hadn't assosiated them with the screen |
| 04:04.19 | FlightOfStairs | thanks for the help |
| 04:04.28 | abrotman | so you don't have pcmcia.ko anywhere ? |
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| 04:04.39 | abrotman | FlightOfStairs: ah ok |
| 04:04.48 | Hazelesque | abrotman: as in, find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep "pcmcia" gives me nothing on my sparc64 machine |
| 04:05.08 | Hazelesque | (vsw 34 lines on my amd64 machine) |
| 04:05.09 | Hazelesque | vs* |
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| 04:05.17 | abrotman | Hazelesque: might want to check /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 04:05.54 | abrotman | CONFIG_PCMCIA=m |
| 04:06.26 | Hazelesque | "CONFIG_PCMCIA" not found in /boot/config-$(uname -r) on my sparc64 install |
| 04:07.06 | abrotman | i wonder if that's not a SPARC option ... |
| 04:07.19 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 04:07.19 | dpkg | i heard sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 04:07.32 | abrotman | though i bet that #debian-sparc is pretty dead this time of night |
| 04:07.37 | Hazelesque | heh |
| 04:07.53 | stew | and its always this time of night somewhere |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.25 | Hazelesque | abrotman: think it's worth me popping in and asking? |
| 04:08.30 | abrotman | stew: swatch internet time will solve that! |
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| 04:08.48 | abrotman | Hazelesque: only if you want to idle til tomorrow some time to see if they answer .. there's also a debian-sparc mailing list |
| 04:08.54 | Hazelesque | hmm |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/ |
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| 04:10.51 | abrotman | Hazelesque: though .. there is a pcmciautils package for sparc |
| 04:11.16 | Hazelesque | ponders if she really wants to install build-essential and a whole world of crap on a box that is supposed to be a netflow log host |
| 04:11.33 | abrotman | well, that depends what the pcmcia is for |
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| 04:12.01 | Hazelesque | I have a spare cardbus WWAN card |
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| 04:12.07 | nbeebo | hi i get this when i try to install something with a .sh file: http://pastebin.com/m4c57b2e9 |
| 04:12.19 | abrotman | wlan ? |
| 04:12.21 | Hazelesque | and I was thinking of setting it up so I could dial in to said box should the DSL router go down |
| 04:12.30 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 04:12.45 | Hazelesque | abrotman: no, WWAN, GSM, CSD, GPRS, UMTS, 3G |
| 04:12.49 | abrotman | yeah ..i got it |
| 04:12.52 | Hazelesque | :) |
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| 04:13.36 | amitz | is there anything I need to aware of in term of package breaking in upgrading from 686 lenny installation to amd64 installation? |
| 04:13.46 | amitz | as of right now? |
| 04:14.01 | Penix | err... |
| 04:14.07 | Hazelesque | (um, can you upgrade cross-arch?) |
| 04:14.12 | Hazelesque | (define "upgrade"...) |
| 04:14.12 | abrotman | amitz: a reinstall ? |
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| 04:14.45 | Hazelesque | (presumably one is keeping /home but wiping other partitions, and installing over them?) |
| 04:15.12 | amitz | abrotman: can I just upgrade? |
| 04:15.18 | abrotman | no |
| 04:15.19 | Penix | amitz: no |
| 04:15.22 | amitz | dang |
| 04:15.25 | Hazelesque | (or, if you're feeling less daring, and you're already using LVM, creating new LVs for the amd64 install and keeping the old ones around until you're satisfied that your new install works) |
| 04:15.47 | abrotman | amitz: not the way you're thinking you can .. you have to do some sort of a reinstall |
| 04:16.34 | Hazelesque | abrotman: can one, in theory, (ab)use --get/set-selections and debconf export/import to transfer desired packages and settings across? |
| 04:16.55 | abrotman | i'm sure that would work, but it's still a reinstall |
| 04:17.11 | Hazelesque | indeed, although it might save some of the pain of getting the reinstall to look like the old install |
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| 04:17.21 | Hazelesque | (also: back up /etc and keep your old SSH host keys) |
| 04:17.49 | Hazelesque | (well, if you care about preserving host identity, anyway) |
| 04:17.58 | newsense | speaking of lvm everytime i try to set ip up lvm through the lenny netinst cd i get errors at boot and shutdown about not finding the volume group twice than boots fine |
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| 04:18.45 | Hazelesque | also notes that, on this sparc64 box, during the initramfs stage I get a couple of messages about the VG not being found |
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| 04:19.03 | Hazelesque | then the (somewhat slow) SCSI bus finally wakes up |
| 04:19.06 | Hazelesque | and the disk appears |
| 04:19.22 | newsense | Hazelesque, you ok with that ? |
| 04:19.27 | Hazelesque | and I then have to wait to be dropped to the emergency shell to do "vgchange -a y <vgname>" |
| 04:19.35 | Hazelesque | then ^D |
| 04:19.35 | abrotman | an ultra5 ? like a 300Mhz ? |
| 04:19.39 | Hazelesque | and it boots OK |
| 04:20.00 | newsense | wow you have a deeper problem than |
| 04:20.11 | Hazelesque | newsense: hmm? |
| 04:20.15 | newsense | mine to finish that sentence sorry |
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| 04:20.43 | Hazelesque | abrotman: I think it's 360Mhz |
| 04:20.48 | Hazelesque | cpu : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre) |
| 04:20.53 | newsense | i thought i had it bad with the 2 errors, maybe its my ide bus |
| 04:21.01 | abrotman | doesn't remember them going that high .. but ok |
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| 04:21.14 | amitz | hmm just need to check some fact. If I install amd64 to another partition, I can still use package for i386 right? Is there neat mechanism to run packages for i386 installed in a i386 lenny installation? |
| 04:21.38 | Hazelesque | abrotman: also, I cheated and removed the floppy drive mounting bracket so that I could install Ultra10 RAM and get 1GB in there |
| 04:21.57 | abrotman | ah yes, i see that is the highest |
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| 04:22.09 | amitz | is there any significant speed advantage in using AMD64? How about stability? |
| 04:22.12 | Hazelesque | (and I added a Symbios Logic 53C8xx SCSI card and a 36GB 10krpm drive to replace the shite IDE thing it came with) |
| 04:22.23 | Hazelesque | (it also has a QFE card) |
| 04:22.45 | abrotman | all for a logging box ? |
| 04:23.13 | Hazelesque | heh, well, it was the smallest box I had spare when I decided to set up something for netflow/syslog stuff |
| 04:23.16 | amitz | btw, I just need the yes or no answer, I can google the rest :-). I just need enough information to commit myself to do the install. |
| 04:23.44 | abrotman | tells Hazelesque about miniITX boxes .. :) |
| 04:23.53 | Hazelesque | amitz: what do you mean by "I can still use package for i386 right?" |
| 04:24.03 | abrotman | amitz: it really depends on what you're doing with the box |
| 04:24.07 | newsense | abrotman whats wrong with that, i like overkill personally , i tend do go to the extreme myself |
| 04:24.09 | Hazelesque | abrotman: the smallest thing I had access to at 0GBP cost |
| 04:24.22 | Hazelesque | has another two of these boxes kicking around |
| 04:24.31 | amitz | Hazelesque: Can I run i386 packages from an AMD64 installation? |
| 04:24.37 | Hazelesque | (admittedly slightly less tricked out) |
| 04:24.39 | abrotman | amitz: what does the box do ? |
| 04:25.16 | amitz | abrotman: well, undefined yet. Why does it matter? |
| 04:25.22 | Hazelesque | amitz: um, well, you can't install i386 packages onto a system that is not i386 arch |
| 04:25.31 | Hazelesque | but you can mount the i386 install in a chroot |
| 04:25.36 | abrotman | amitz: well, if it's just a workstation, won't really matter .. if it's a large database system, it might matter |
| 04:25.42 | amitz | abrotman: But basically I use it as a wine based application server. |
| 04:26.01 | abrotman | if it just runs wine apps, i'd leave it 32bit |
| 04:26.09 | amitz | abrotman: footprint 100MB database size |
| 04:26.12 | Hazelesque | and since i386 binaries are supported, it will work inside the chroot |
| 04:26.25 | Hazelesque | but I'm not holding my breath for debian multiarch |
| 04:26.48 | stew | wine runs fine with amd64 |
| 04:27.05 | Hazelesque | stew: but does it run /better/ with amd64 than with i386? |
| 04:27.05 | abrotman | it does, i'm just saying the reinstall isn't worth running wine on |
| 04:27.46 | amitz | Hazelesque: will there be significant speed penalty for doing chroot? |
| 04:27.58 | stew | Hazelesque: no |
| 04:28.02 | stew | amitz: none |
| 04:28.37 | Hazelesque | also, ISTR that debian i386 installs amd64 kernels now on systems that support them? |
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| 04:29.02 | stew | Hazelesque: no, but they are available and easily installed |
| 04:29.07 | Hazelesque | (unless that was an accident...) |
| 04:29.27 | Hazelesque | so, in theory, if you think you /might/ want to run a couple of amd64 apps |
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| 04:29.39 | Hazelesque | you could always install an amd64 kernel, keep your i386 userland |
| 04:29.46 | abrotman | your userland will still be 32bit |
| 04:29.56 | Hazelesque | compare your performance between the 64 and 32-bit userlands |
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| 04:30.11 | Hazelesque | and install whatever apps you have that /really/ need to be 64-bit in a chroot |
| 04:30.26 | Hazelesque | that may be less hassle |
| 04:30.43 | stew | seems like just installing amd64 might be less hassle |
| 04:30.54 | Hazelesque | suspects you're thinking "Oooh, amd64, shiny, I wanna play!" ;) |
| 04:31.30 | stew | amitz: how much memory do you have? |
| 04:31.35 | Hazelesque | stew: depends, amitz already has i386 installed... installing an amd64 kernel and keeping the 32-bit userland will be easier than a full reinstall |
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| 04:32.49 | Cpudan80 | Hello everyone |
| 04:34.01 | Cpudan80 | I've got a weird problem. I have a laptop with a crappy ATI Mobility 7500 card (ati driver), the panel is fixed at 1024x768 res. I have the laptop connected to an external monitor -- I would like to use the external at a res of 1280x1024, but keep the laptop panel at 1024x768 -- is such a thing possible? |
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| 04:34.26 | amitz | stew: 2GB |
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| 04:34.46 | amitz | Hazelesque: That's probably the path I'll be taking |
| 04:35.14 | Cpudan80 | The card is capable of putting out 1280x1024... but I cant figure out how to get the dual screens working. I've gotten close, but the panel bars end up floating in the wrong place on the higher res monitor |
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| 04:36.42 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: if you have a suitably recent xrandr |
| 04:36.58 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: a who what? |
| 04:36.59 | Hazelesque | and a driver that supports a suitably recent RANDR protocol |
| 04:37.32 | Cpudan80 | hmmm - how can I find that out |
| 04:37.42 | stew | Cpudan80: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:37.48 | Cpudan80 | ehhhh |
| 04:37.50 | Cpudan80 | Lenny |
| 04:37.55 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: apt-file search bin/xrandr tells me that it's in the x11-xserver-utils package |
| 04:38.05 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 04:38.10 | abrotman | might help |
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| 04:38.50 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: you should be able to do something like "xrandr --output VGA_1 --left-of PANEL --mode 1280x1024 |
| 04:38.53 | Hazelesque | " |
| 04:39.11 | Hazelesque | ymmv, check the output of xrandr to see what outputs and modes it knows about |
| 04:39.12 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: ok but - will I have to do this every time I boot up or anything? |
| 04:39.44 | Hazelesque | your X server will go back to using default screen modes every time it restarts |
| 04:39.48 | Hazelesque | so, every time you log into X |
| 04:39.57 | Cpudan80 | well that kinda sucks |
| 04:40.14 | Hazelesque | but you can add it as an X session script once you know what settings you want |
| 04:40.21 | Cpudan80 | right - that's not a big deal |
| 04:40.26 | Hazelesque | or, KDE/Gnome may have some magic that does it for you, I wouldn't know |
| 04:40.44 | Cpudan80 | So xrandr tells me that both panels can only go up to 1024x768 |
| 04:40.47 | Cpudan80 | But that is wrong |
| 04:40.55 | Cpudan80 | I wonder how I fix it... |
| 04:41.05 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: what driver have you configured X to use? |
| 04:41.14 | Cpudan80 | the ati one |
| 04:41.30 | Hazelesque | also, have you configured it to have specific modes in the xorg.conf file? |
| 04:41.36 | Hazelesque | my xorg.conf only contains a Virtual size |
| 04:41.38 | Cpudan80 | hmm dont remember |
| 04:41.44 | amitz | Cpudan80: radeon or fglrx , see in your xorg.conf |
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| 04:42.11 | Hazelesque | (also, your virtual size needs to be high enough to support the various screens you intend to use simultaneously) |
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| 04:42.50 | Cpudan80 | amitz: the driver line says "ati" |
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| 04:43.43 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: this sounds familiar to how it worked before .... but I ended up with the gnome panels in the wrong place |
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| 04:43.55 | Cpudan80 | like the bottom panel was in the middle of the screen with the higher res |
| 04:44.09 | Cpudan80 | does that make sense? |
| 04:44.21 | Hazelesque | uses an .xsession script that calls xrdb, xmodmap and xset to set up my X session before spawning a script that loops, giving me an xmessage dialog asking me if I want to spawn a window manager or log out |
| 04:44.42 | Hazelesque | (also, on brunel, it sets my screen size with xrandr and sets my xgamma) |
| 04:44.44 | Cpudan80 | hrm... |
| 04:44.48 | Hazelesque | and my window manager of choice is blackbox |
| 04:44.58 | Hazelesque | would have no idea how gnome behaves ;) |
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| 04:45.15 | brian5555 | hello, i am trying to setup ssh on my debian |
| 04:45.25 | Hazelesque | brian5555: as in, the SSH server? |
| 04:45.30 | brian5555 | yes |
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| 04:45.37 | brian5555 | is all i have to do install openssh server? |
| 04:45.41 | Hazelesque | do you have the openssh-server package installed? |
| 04:45.44 | brian5555 | no |
| 04:45.51 | brian5555 | i am wondering if that is all there is to it |
| 04:45.56 | Hazelesque | you need to install that with "apt-get install openssh-server" |
| 04:46.02 | brian5555 | ok |
| 04:46.05 | brian5555 | then im done? |
| 04:46.06 | Hazelesque | the defaults are fairly sane |
| 04:46.09 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 04:46.10 | Cpudan80 | something is very weird |
| 04:46.12 | Hazelesque | it will generate host keys |
| 04:46.24 | brian5555 | ok |
| 04:46.30 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: I did a xrandr --auto and it tells me that the external monitor is disconnected? |
| 04:46.38 | brian5555 | then i can find out the hostname to connect to ssh by typing hostname correct? |
| 04:46.40 | amitz | Cpudan80: hmm I didn;t use ati for my ati chipset so I don't know |
| 04:46.51 | Cpudan80 | amitz: what card do you have? |
| 04:46.54 | Hazelesque | hasn't got into the habit of using aptitude, I was scared off by dselect many moons ago :P |
| 04:46.56 | amitz | hd3200 |
| 04:47.09 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: hmm, curious. |
| 04:47.27 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: Its plugged into a doc station... I wonder if that does something ... bad |
| 04:47.47 | abrotman | Cpudan80: did you boot with it attached ? |
| 04:48.07 | Cpudan80 | abrotman: yes |
| 04:48.09 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: note that it may matter which port you plug the monitor in to |
| 04:48.19 | Cpudan80 | its plugged into a vga port |
| 04:48.23 | Cpudan80 | the monitor has no DVI |
| 04:48.30 | Cpudan80 | its a piece of junk too |
| 04:48.36 | Cpudan80 | I should smash it with a hammer |
| 04:48.40 | Hazelesque | (eg, if my T60 is docked, the ethernet port on the dock is live and the port on the side of the laptop is dead) |
| 04:48.56 | jjong` | I added new hdd(/dev/sdb) to my computer. and I modified fstab(/dev/sdb1). By the way, I wanna mount /dev/sdb1 by user, and the user that mounts /dev/sdb1 could read/write /dev/sdb1. anybody knows? |
| 04:48.57 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: oh - its all plugged into the doc |
| 04:49.03 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: nothing is plugged into the laptop |
| 04:49.38 | abrotman | jjong`: you want the fstab line ? |
| 04:49.55 | Hazelesque | jjong`: is it something like a FAT partition? |
| 04:50.01 | Hazelesque | (as in, it's user data?) |
| 04:50.10 | jjong` | abrotman : yes |
| 04:50.17 | abrotman | jjong`: where do you want to mount it? |
| 04:50.17 | jjong` | Hazelesque : no. It's ext3. |
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| 04:50.45 | Hazelesque | jjong`: are you saying you want to override the ownership that's already on the FS? |
| 04:50.46 | jjong` | abrotman : anywhere is ok. Um... ~/data |
| 04:50.59 | amitz | Hazelesque: I'm struggling to setup dual seat using my hd3200. it's a single card with multiple connector (DVI, VGA, other). the closest guide I can find online is http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2008/02/multiseat-computer-with-ubuntu-804.html , but it doesn't work for lenny. |
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| 04:51.21 | abrotman | jjong`: for example "/dev/sdb1 /mount/foo ext3 defaults,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 04:51.29 | jjong` | Hazelesque : That's right. |
| 04:51.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:51.37 | Hazelesque | jjong`: note that you'll need to give an exact path in fstab, ~ won't expand |
| 04:51.45 | brian5555 | i am on etch, is installing lots of stuff from backports harmful? |
| 04:52.08 | abrotman | jjong`: man mount and man fstab .. there are uid options |
| 04:52.35 | Hazelesque | jjong`: uid and gid may work |
| 04:52.50 | Hazelesque | jjong`: the manpage for mount suggests they aren't supported on ext3 |
| 04:53.20 | Hazelesque | (that is, vfat doesn't have a concept of owning uids and gids, but ext3 does, so I don't know if it supports overriding it) |
| 04:53.28 | Hazelesque | (of course, the manpage may be full of lies. ymmv.) |
| 04:53.44 | Cpudan80 | ymmv? |
| 04:53.49 | abrotman | !ymmv |
| 04:53.49 | dpkg | i heard ymmv is an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary." |
| 04:53.59 | jjong` | abrotman : I already did what you said. but mount is ok;user can mount it. but the user can create a file/dir on that. ;; |
| 04:53.59 | Hazelesque | amitz: ah, multi-seat... I tried to get that working a long time ago, not tried in ages, sorry |
| 04:54.00 | Cpudan80 | neat |
| 04:54.03 | Cpudan80 | !iirc |
| 04:54.03 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 04:54.03 | amitz | Hazelesque: do you know any other resources? Are you aware of any other resources. The other closest I know is a resource for dual card for debian lenny. |
| 04:54.17 | abrotman | Cpudan80: msg the bot please |
| 04:54.28 | brian5555 | um, does it matter what network/workgroup i tell samba to work with? if i pick wrong one will i not be able to print |
| 04:54.32 | Cpudan80 | abrotman: yeah ... I wont do anymore :-) |
| 04:54.36 | abrotman | thanks :) |
| 04:55.08 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: ummm.... what do you mean? |
| 04:55.15 | jjong` | Hazelesque : I heard uid, umask just work for non-ext3 FS like ntfs, fat. |
| 04:55.24 | brian5555 | i did apt-get install samba |
| 04:55.32 | brian5555 | and it asked for some group to be part of |
| 04:55.35 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: Is the printer on the windows side or the debian side? |
| 04:55.40 | brian5555 | windows |
| 04:55.48 | Hazelesque | jjong`: try HURD? ;) *ducks* |
| 04:55.57 | Cpudan80 | you want to put the workgroup where your windows box is brian5555 |
| 04:56.05 | Cpudan80 | the default for XP is mshome I think |
| 04:56.06 | stoned | its not fully usable yet |
| 04:56.08 | brian5555 | can i find that out from linux? |
| 04:56.18 | brian5555 | how do i reconfigure samba? |
| 04:56.22 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: ehhhh not that I know of.... |
| 04:56.27 | stoned | brian5555, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 04:56.35 | stoned | brian5555, dpkg-reconfigure samba? |
| 04:56.36 | Cpudan80 | dpkg-recofigure samba |
| 04:56.39 | brian5555 | i did that |
| 04:56.41 | Cpudan80 | I wonder if that works |
| 04:56.48 | brian5555 | it didnt give me the option to change the group |
| 04:56.50 | stoned | brian5555, dpkg-reconfigure samba-common ? |
| 04:57.13 | Cpudan80 | well the workgroup is for sure in the smb.conf file |
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| 04:57.37 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: Technically it should still work regardless of the workgroup |
| 04:57.38 | stoned | wow I'm uploading at 40kb/s |
| 04:57.40 | stoned | fantastic |
| 04:57.58 | kkkyle | how do you install debian 40r6 alpha cd |
| 04:57.59 | brian5555 | ok stoned's method works |
| 04:58.00 | kkkyle | 1 |
| 04:58.01 | brian5555 | thanks stone |
| 04:58.12 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: but windows gets all pissy if you dont speak to it exactly as it expects |
| 04:58.18 | abrotman | kkkyle: you boot off the cd .. and install it |
| 04:58.39 | brian5555 | um, sorry for noob question but how does copying work in linux? |
| 04:58.47 | brian5555 | like what is the equivilant of ctrl c |
| 04:58.49 | brian5555 | or apple -c |
| 04:58.57 | Hazelesque | brian5555: oh, as in, "clipboard" in X? |
| 04:59.06 | brian5555 | sure |
| 04:59.14 | jjong` | Hazelesque : uid doesn't work on ext3. the following dmesg is displayed. "EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value" |
| 04:59.14 | Hazelesque | there's something called the X CLIPBOARD selection |
| 04:59.14 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: ctrl+c will work in most applications |
| 04:59.30 | brian5555 | what do i do for terminal? |
| 04:59.31 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: except terminals of course -- in which case it is terminal dependent |
| 04:59.32 | sepult | ps -e |
| 04:59.34 | Hazelesque | and when you "copy" something, that application asserts that it "has" the CLIPBOARD selection |
| 04:59.35 | sepult | ups |
| 04:59.53 | Hazelesque | and there's a protocol for negotiating an agreeable format to transfer the data in |
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| 05:00.02 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: the gnome terminal is CTRL+SHIFT+C |
| 05:00.07 | Cpudan80 | and v |
| 05:00.12 | brian5555 | does smb://blackdell/printer seem like a legitamete samba printer location |
| 05:00.12 | kkkyle | abrotman: do you have to have a cd or can you do it from a usb |
| 05:00.18 | brian5555 | i am not in gnome, i am in fluxbox |
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| 05:00.27 | Hazelesque | probably misinterpreted the "how does it work" question slightly |
| 05:00.28 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: yes |
| 05:00.35 | phorce1 | brian5555: or highlight with mouse then right click and select "copy" |
| 05:00.35 | abrotman | kkkyle: i have no idea if you can do it from USB .. maybe checkthe Alpha installation guide, i've used the CDs before |
| 05:00.41 | Hazelesque | brian5555: well, fluxbox does not, afaik, have it's own terminal. |
| 05:00.45 | Hazelesque | what terminal are you using? |
| 05:00.47 | brian5555 | eterm |
| 05:00.58 | brian5555 | or xterm |
| 05:01.03 | kkkyle | abrotman: alright |
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| 05:01.09 | Hazelesque | try using X PRIMARY selection instead |
| 05:01.09 | peterrooney | brian5555: if you're in console and not in X the package `gpm' has some copy and paste utilities if you have a three button mouse. |
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| 05:01.33 | brian5555 | ok - this is really what i want to know: if i see code in forums and i want to paste it into terminal what do i do? |
| 05:01.37 | Hazelesque | brian5555: ie, select the text that you want to copy so that it is highlighted, then middle-click where you want to paste it |
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| 05:01.58 | sammcd_ | which ftp server? |
| 05:02.04 | Hazelesque | that is separate from the CLIPBOARD selection, and is called the PRIMARY selection |
| 05:02.10 | brian5555 | ok -thanks hazelesque |
| 05:02.22 | Hazelesque | xterm definitely supports middle click paste |
| 05:02.40 | brian5555 | ok my computers name is whitepc - to login to it remotely do i do : ssh brian@whitepc ? |
| 05:02.46 | Hazelesque | (if you don't have a "middle" button, your mouse wheel may have a clicking action that acts as a middle button) |
| 05:02.59 | Hazelesque | brian5555: yes, if that name resolves |
| 05:03.16 | brian5555 | if? |
| 05:03.22 | Hazelesque | try "host whitepc" |
| 05:03.34 | brian5555 | on a different computer? |
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| 05:03.48 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: yes - that would work |
| 05:03.50 | Hazelesque | as in, if I tell box A that it is called "charles" |
| 05:03.52 | abrotman | the one you intend ot ssh from to the server |
| 05:04.01 | Hazelesque | and I tell box B that it is called "dave" |
| 05:04.22 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: ssh whitepc -l brian would also work |
| 05:04.22 | Hazelesque | and I try to do "ssh user@charles" on "dave", "dave" has to have some way of knowing what IP "charles" corresponds to |
| 05:04.32 | brian5555 | ok |
| 05:04.51 | brian5555 | what i am currently working on is printing from debian to windows computer |
| 05:05.02 | brian5555 | sofar i have installed cups gutenprint and samba |
| 05:05.03 | Hazelesque | eg, hosts file entries, entries in DNS, mdns/DNS-SD stuff |
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| 05:05.11 | Cpudan80 | brian5555: note that if you are logged in as brian on the remote machine, you dont need to specify the user. It tries your current username by default |
| 05:05.17 | Hazelesque | (I think that avahi is standard these days, dunno about libnss-mdns) |
| 05:05.44 | brian5555 | where do i select the printer i want from gutenprint? |
| 05:05.53 | Cpudan80 | Although - as Hazelesque - it is generally better to specify the IP |
| 05:06.03 | Cpudan80 | as DNS could be pointing somewhere ... bad |
| 05:06.06 | Cpudan80 | like a keylogger |
| 05:06.18 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: well, that's what the known_hosts mechanism is for |
| 05:06.18 | Cpudan80 | should read as Hazelesque points out .... |
| 05:06.27 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: I suppose |
| 05:06.30 | Hazelesque | if the host ID of "charles" suddenly changes |
| 05:06.38 | Hazelesque | you'll get a BIG FAT WARNING!!!!!!! |
| 05:06.42 | Cpudan80 | uses telnet |
| 05:06.48 | Cpudan80 | likes everything in the clear |
| 05:06.50 | Hazelesque | *headdesk* |
| 05:06.56 | Cpudan80 | lol |
| 05:07.02 | abrotman | rsh ? |
| 05:07.10 | Cpudan80 | no! raw telnet! |
| 05:07.15 | Cpudan80 | must see packets as they pass! |
| 05:07.26 | Hazelesque | pokes Cpudan80 with X.25 PAD ;) |
| 05:07.31 | Cpudan80 | does network monitoring for his job |
| 05:08.01 | Cpudan80 | always enjoys funny DNS queries .... like things totally unrelated to work .... |
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| 05:08.11 | brian5555 | um |
| 05:08.29 | abrotman | Cpudan80: yeah .. nothing better that knowing you can go talk to your boss cause he's surfing porn .. great .. |
| 05:08.30 | brian5555 | i am trying to configure cups and it is asking for "device" i dont know what to chose, i am unfamiliar with all of them |
| 05:08.36 | abrotman | erm .. can't go |
| 05:08.45 | Cpudan80 | lol |
| 05:08.51 | Cpudan80 | Well this is an educational institution |
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| 05:08.56 | Cpudan80 | a college |
| 05:08.58 | abrotman | and? |
| 05:09.03 | Cpudan80 | So - they get really hilarious |
| 05:09.16 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: I can see how bebo could be thrilling |
| 05:09.24 | Cpudan80 | although - I have found many interesting sites by watching the logs |
| 05:09.36 | Cpudan80 | Apparently a lot of the students want to buy futons |
| 05:09.41 | Cpudan80 | I have a great many futon sites |
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| 05:09.53 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: I bet it's code. |
| 05:10.07 | Hazelesque | "futon" is probably code for "plagiarism" |
| 05:10.12 | Cpudan80 | Hazelesque: lol - they've hacked my DNS parser? |
| 05:10.19 | Cpudan80 | The parser I wrote by hand!?!?! |
| 05:10.52 | Hazelesque | no, not executable code, I mean as in "codes and cyphers" |
| 05:11.08 | Cpudan80 | lol |
| 05:11.13 | Hazelesque | "futon" is probably a codeword for "exam answers" or something |
| 05:11.17 | Cpudan80 | well I did check some of the futon sites out |
| 05:11.20 | Cpudan80 | they appeared legit |
| 05:11.37 | Cpudan80 | unless I was supposed to click some weird link or something to get the exam answers |
| 05:11.38 | Hazelesque | Cpudan80: that just means they're smarter than you think ;) |
| 05:11.48 | Cpudan80 | they probably are |
| 05:11.52 | Cpudan80 | Its a well known college |
| 05:11.59 | Hazelesque | I bet that they'll be steganographically hidden in the pictures of the futons |
| 05:12.06 | Cpudan80 | haha |
| 05:12.27 | Hazelesque | see if any of the product codes look similar to your module codes ;) |
| 05:12.42 | Cpudan80 | heh |
| 05:13.13 | Cpudan80 | Well - it'd be easy to catch them if that was the case |
| 05:13.31 | Cpudan80 | search the dhcp log for what user got such and such IP at such and such time |
| 05:13.54 | Hazelesque | also, for the record, I use Host aliases in my .ssh/config file that aliases short hostnames to FQDNs |
| 05:14.01 | Hazelesque | and those FQDNs exist in DNS |
| 05:15.21 | Cpudan80 | ahhh but see that is something I would catch with my script |
| 05:15.33 | Cpudan80 | If you ask for www.cnn.com and get back www.examanswers.com .... |
| 05:15.38 | Cpudan80 | I will know about it! |
| 05:16.29 | brian5555 | does anyone know where the conky configuration file is in debian etch? |
| 05:18.42 | roe_ | anyone know how I can set my LC_CTYPE to utf8? |
| 05:18.57 | Guerin | roe_: man export |
| 05:19.22 | roe_ | won't that set it just for my session? |
| 05:20.18 | Guerin | roe_: you didn't specify anything else |
| 05:20.31 | roe_ | I need the default LC_CTYPE to be utf8 |
| 05:21.19 | roe_ | I thought reconfiguring locales would do it |
| 05:21.30 | Guerin | roe_: it will. |
| 05:21.58 | roe_ | do I need to reboot after reconfigure? Because it isn't changing locales output |
| 05:22.24 | Guerin | roe_: you probably need to relogin |
| 05:22.34 | Guerin | (or set your locales manually for the current session) |
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| 05:24.01 | roe_ | that was it, I just had to log out and log back int, thanks |
| 05:24.15 | rue_house | why is ftp missing from delsect, I need help quick |
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| 05:25.52 | Hazelesque | poo |
| 05:25.56 | brian5555 | how would i search for conky.conf ? |
| 05:26.00 | Hazelesque | seems that there's no pcmcia on sparc |
| 05:26.21 | rue_house | why is ftp missing from delsect, I need help quick! |
| 05:26.36 | rue_house | a means is missing from apt, what is it! |
| 05:26.46 | abrotman | rue_house: client or server? |
| 05:26.48 | supersoundguy | brian5555: usually the .conkyrc lives in your home directory ...but you will need to create it |
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| 05:27.16 | rue_house | apt- something is missing, there is no http or ftp package methof for dselect |
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| 05:29.17 | brian5555 | um, if i create it will it load nothing unless i fill in every detail? |
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| 05:29.39 | sdlwof | Fontconfig error: "~/.fonts.conf", line 1: XML declaration not well-formed |
| 05:29.39 | sdlwof | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.50 | sdlwof | files are there and contents look good...? |
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| 05:30.30 | supersoundguy | brian5555: i can pastebin my .conkyrc if you would like somewhere to start...you can also google for sample ones |
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| 05:30.40 | Hazelesque | um... |
| 05:30.51 | Hazelesque | abrotman: you mentioned #debian-sparc... |
| 05:30.58 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net |
| 05:31.04 | Hazelesque | oh :P |
| 05:31.18 | abrotman | factoid mentions that |
| 05:31.38 | brian5555 | could you pastebin your conky :P |
| 05:31.51 | stoned | what is a conky\? |
| 05:32.09 | abrotman | stoned: it's a system monitor app thingie |
| 05:33.30 | brian5555 | has anyone configured a printer with gutenprint here? |
| 05:33.42 | Hazelesque | the mysterious punch-up-the-conky? |
| 05:34.27 | supersoundguy | brian5555: http://supersoundguy.pastebin.com/d7e6f587b |
| 05:34.57 | jhambo | What is the name of that package that gives me fonts like arial, times new roman, wingdings etc..? |
| 05:35.25 | SolidLiq | jhambo: aptitude search ttf- and mscorefonts |
| 05:36.03 | jhambo | SolidLiq: thanks |
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| 05:37.21 | brian5555 | thanks supersoundguy |
| 05:37.31 | amitz | I'm using AMD 64 x2. According to http://forums.amd.com/devblog/blogpost.cfm?threadid=93648&catid=317 , AMD 64 x2 has the so called compatibility layer to run 32bit application. Is it automatic? |
| 05:38.34 | amitz | sdlwof: but does wine still work? I have plenty of error while running wine but it still works ;-) |
| 05:39.05 | sdlwof | naw, it pukes |
| 05:39.11 | supersoundguy | no problem...here's a screenshot of how it looks if you want to see that: http://img.104.imageshack.us/img104/5176/desktopyt6.jpg |
| 05:39.21 | sdlwof | screen flickers, spews the commandline, then just like i didn't run the command... |
| 05:39.50 | amitz | sdlwof: well, maybe that file has an open tag that doesn't close or a closing tag that has no opening? |
| 05:40.05 | sdlwof | huh? tag? like a bug ticket? |
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| 05:40.46 | amitz | <testing>Tag is the "testing" enclosing this sentence</testing> |
| 05:41.04 | brian5555 | your link doesn't work for me supersoundguy |
| 05:41.09 | brian5555 | also, conky flickers for me |
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| 05:41.16 | brian5555 | probably not your config file though |
| 05:41.35 | sdlwof | amitz, so i remove the tag and the app will work? |
| 05:41.37 | sdlwof | i'm lost... |
| 05:41.46 | supersoundguy | brian5555: you need a compositor (xcompmgr, compiz, etc) |
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| 05:42.19 | amitz | so maybe you have <testing> with no </testing>, or </testing> with no <testing> occuring before, or <testing> and </testing> that spill over other tag boundary.. |
| 05:42.33 | sdlwof | holy shit, nm dude, i'll just figure something else out |
| 05:42.34 | brian5555 | oh |
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| 05:42.42 | sdlwof | thx anyways. |
| 05:42.45 | brian5555 | i only have fluxbox and nv drivers lol |
| 05:42.58 | amitz | amitz: difficult to explain but easy to understand, just google about "tag" or "xml syntax" |
| 05:43.14 | xota | hi! how can I install mencoder on lenny? |
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| 05:46.48 | Halitherses2 | How do I make desktop configuration files start iceweasel instead of gnome browser? |
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| 05:51.04 | Hazelesque | pokes arch/sparc64/Kconfig to add PCMCIA options to the config menu, then waits to see what blows up when compiling it |
| 05:51.32 | Hazelesque | is not sure if the makefile will actually pay any attention to PCMCIA options if PCMCIA is not supported on Sparc, though |
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| 05:56.18 | pipeline | Halitherses2: pcmcia is supported on sparc |
| 05:56.45 | pipeline | Halitherses2: at least, there is a considerable amount of extant sparc hardware with pcmcia, and other open source operating systems support it |
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| 05:57.21 | Halitherses2 | ??? I asked about desktop configuration files |
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| 05:57.58 | pipeline | whoops |
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| 05:58.29 | pipeline | Hazelesque: I targeted the wrong person. PCMCIA *should* be supported on SPARC, since there's a fair bit of extant SPARC hardware with PCMCIA, and other open source operating systems support it. |
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| 05:59.53 | brian5555 | what is a good lightweight image viewing program for debian |
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| 06:00.10 | Hazelesque | pipeline: ahh, hmm |
| 06:00.20 | pipeline | brian5555: imagemagick |
| 06:00.26 | pipeline | brian5555: /usr/bin/display |
| 06:00.29 | Hazelesque | googling sparc and pcmcia mentioned one of the BSDs I think |
| 06:00.39 | Hazelesque | was hoping to get PCMCIA working on debian-sparc ;) |
| 06:00.59 | pipeline | Hazelesque: sun made the voyager plus adapter hardware.. tadpole and i think rdi made laptops with pcmcia |
| 06:01.20 | Hazelesque | decides that 6am is waaaay past her bedtime, and will think about this more "tomorrow" |
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| 06:02.01 | Hazelesque | night :) |
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| 06:02.56 | bullgard4 | Halitherses2: Try to include iceweasel in your ~/.mailcap and ~/.local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache files. |
| 06:02.57 | bkjoe | anybody familiar with mylex DAC960 RAID controllers? |
| 06:03.10 | dondelelcaro | bkjoe: best to just ask your question |
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| 06:05.28 | bkjoe | well i have one (dac960) with 10x200gb scsi drives..the machine was accidentally booted with one of the drives unpowered..now the controller reports bad disk error on that drive |
| 06:06.32 | bkjoe | not really a question, heh..any ideas? |
| 06:07.12 | brian5555 | buy new drive |
| 06:07.16 | bkjoe | tried pulling one of the other drives out and booting, now the controller insists that drive is bad also |
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| 06:09.28 | bkjoe | i have the controller setup software on floppy, and bootable cd..machine will not boot either without freezing |
| 06:09.51 | Halitherses2 | bullgard4, that cache file is a binary and i dont have a mailcap, Surely there is a gui for changing the behaviour of mime types |
| 06:10.28 | bkjoe | soo..i moved the ctrlr et al to another cpu/board..no help there |
| 06:11.11 | brian5555 | why dont you call the company |
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| 06:11.20 | brian5555 | good luck |
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| 06:11.30 | bullgard4 | Halitherses2: Try right-click of a particular filename in Nautilus. |
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| 06:13.27 | bkjoe | mylex..bought out a decade ago by ibm iirc..bah... |
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| 06:14.54 | Halitherses2 | bullgard4, I did. I am using gnome 2.14.3. I can see the mime type which is application/x-desktop |
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| 06:15.19 | Halitherses2 | so how to I make iceweasel handle that mime type? |
| 06:15.45 | bullgard4 | Halitherses2: I do not know. |
| 06:17.14 | K_Sakura | How do I get a 32bit version of zlib-dev? (from the AMD64 repositories) |
| 06:18.59 | \amethyst | K_Sakura: lib32z1-dev |
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| 06:19.20 | K_Sakura | Thanks. |
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| 06:54.05 | rares | ok does anyone have the fix for gtk_file_system_error_quark |
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| 06:54.30 | liable | during what? compile or use? |
| 06:54.37 | dihymo | use |
| 06:54.58 | liable | not me |
| 06:55.01 | dihymo | i have a whole bunch of apps that don't work |
| 06:55.24 | dihymo | gnome-art for example |
| 06:55.54 | liable | try a gnome channel |
| 06:56.01 | liable | have you checked the bts? |
| 06:56.15 | liable | or tried googline the error? |
| 06:56.22 | liable | googling |
| 06:56.40 | dihymo | i foogled the duck out of it |
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| 07:01.35 | blast_hardcheese | Hey all, I've got a problem with UTF-8 fonts (Japanese in particular) everywhere on my machine. I've dpkg-reconfigure'd locales, enabled ja_JP.UTF-8, restarted X, then restarted my computer when that didn't work, |
| 07:02.03 | blast_hardcheese | for some reason they all show up as either solid blocks, nothing, or blocks with numbers in them |
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| 07:16.31 | blast_hardcheese | this is really lame, I've just gone through all the packages recently installed with aptitude looking for something that got updated related to languages and I haven't found anything other than locales |
| 07:17.57 | liable | locales is the one that should work the magic, but i'm an english speaking tard, so i dont know much about enabling locales |
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| 07:22.16 | blast_hardcheese | liable: ah, perhaps it's become broken in recent releases, I'm running sid |
| 07:22.30 | smultron | anyone in here setup mailgraph? i'm just getting broken images when i visit the .cgi webpage |
| 07:22.41 | liable | blast_hardcheese: unlikely, but check bts |
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| 07:33.23 | ploo | does mcelog clear the log once you read it? |
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| 07:36.03 | Skapare | I have etch installed inside qemu ... but the network was not configured during install ... what is the command to get the network configured set up? |
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| 07:49.11 | Skapare | hmmm ... something wrong with DHCP ... it's getting the DNS server address from DHCP ... but not the gateway or even this machine's IP |
| 07:49.21 | Skapare | anyway, static IP fixed it |
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| 08:02.35 | DGnome | This isn't a debian specific question but, is there any other way than doing a scsi rescan to try to detect changes to block devices? I have a fc-attached SAN and after doing a online expand the host never sees the change in the block device without a reboot... |
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| 08:14.42 | liable | iirc, there may be one way to do it, but usually the kernel does need a reboot for that sort of thing |
| 08:15.09 | liable | i forget what may be the way. i saw karsten mention it here once i think |
| 08:15.15 | peterS | you may be thinking of 'scsiadd' |
| 08:16.42 | pif | hi, normally xorg.conf no longer need a 'Driver' item for the video card, however without it 'nv' is used instead of 'nvidia', how can I fix that? |
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| 08:17.50 | peterS | pif: uninstall xserver-xorg-video-nv ? |
| 08:18.21 | pif | ok, but I occasionaly need it , is there a way to express a preference order? |
| 08:18.24 | peterS | anyway I don't see what's to fix, nv is a reasonable default, since nouveau requires a kernel module and stuff |
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| 08:23.42 | DGnome | thanks liable and peterS, scsiadd did the job :) |
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| 08:24.03 | Guerin | peterS: you return! |
| 08:24.12 | peterS | Guerin: only briefly, it is way past my bedtime |
| 08:24.38 | Guerin | peterS: dd-hood, proto-husbandry and such treating you well? |
| 08:25.14 | peterS | Guerin: I can't complain. (: it's just that I'm kinda scheduled to wake up again in about 4 hours |
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| 08:25.45 | Guerin | peterS: get thee gone, then. One more thing: I have a mini-me - feayn.org/~lewis/dawn/ |
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| 08:26.26 | peterS | Guerin: wow, congratulations! |
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| 08:31.07 | stew | Guerin: congrats |
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| 08:41.01 | dihymo | can anyone recommend a good nntp server preferably free DSL speed with posting enabled |
| 08:41.22 | sparr | the one hosted by your DSL company? |
| 08:41.37 | dihymo | qwest seems to no longer run it |
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| 08:42.05 | sparr | your service provider stopped providing a service you were paying them to provide... seems like you should be paying them less now, no? |
| 08:42.07 | liable | another bloody redhead born into the world |
| 08:42.11 | liable | runs |
| 08:42.26 | my007ms | is there something allow me to make some user can access internet and other can not in the same machine ? |
| 08:42.51 | my007ms | something like iptable but base in user |
| 08:43.12 | sparr | my007ms: that is an interesting question. i would expect the answer to be yes, but i do not know |
| 08:44.09 | my007ms | maybe there is something in iptable allow me to say which user generate the packet i don't know :) |
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| 08:45.57 | Skapare | while trying to install emacs, aptitude says a couple dependencies (xaw3dg and some lib) are unavailable ... how do I resolve that? |
| 08:46.40 | liable | by using stable |
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| 08:47.13 | Skapare | which is stable? |
| 08:47.23 | liable | etch for the time being |
| 08:47.31 | Skapare | that's what I installed |
| 08:47.46 | liable | paste your apt output to paster then |
| 08:47.47 | Skapare | maybe it's looking for the unstable packages? |
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| 08:47.58 | liable | and your sources.list |
| 08:48.22 | Skapare | I can't get any data from that box, yet ... until I can get sshd installed |
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| 08:48.53 | dihymo | sparr i just switched to qwest because cox screwed us over and qwest refused to go NSA onus |
| 08:49.59 | Skapare | trying to get logged back into it again ... just rebooted it |
| 08:51.36 | Skapare | would it matter to aptitude that it's running under qemu? |
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| 08:53.25 | SerajewelKS | Skapare: no |
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| 08:54.17 | SerajewelKS | Skapare: the only things that should be affected by running in a virtual environment are hardware-related things, and aptitude does nothing with hardware directly |
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| 08:55.13 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: there is indeed an iptables rule for that |
| 08:55.33 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: see -m owner |
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| 08:56.25 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: note that if you have any suid binaries on the system (ping is by default) those are actually run by their owner (e.g. root) and therefore will not match rules for other users |
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| 08:57.21 | rmrfchik | how can I update kde menu (including mime bindings) according to debian menu? Now I have wrong entries for openoffice and wrong mime bindings. |
| 08:57.24 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: so if you really want to restrict net access to only some users then you should (1) make a group for those users, (2) only allow those users to send packets, using an iptables rule, and (3) make ping and friends owned by that group |
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| 08:58.11 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: also part of (3) is to make sure that the permissions on that binary are 750, so regular users not in that group can't run it |
| 08:58.30 | SerajewelKS | erm 4750 |
| 08:58.41 | my007ms | SerajewelKS but in case like the browser thy can not access the web. this is very logic thanks |
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| 08:59.16 | Skapare | SerajewelKS: ok ... but that could explain the network strangeness ... it gets DHCP data only in part ... it gets the DNS server IP address ... and nothing else |
| 08:59.37 | Skapare | SerajewelKS: manual net config gets around that |
| 08:59.50 | Skapare | SerajewelKS: I'll probably just leave it static |
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| 09:00.09 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: they would not be able to, right, assuming the firewall rules are set up properly |
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| 09:00.28 | SerajewelKS | Skapare: well, then aptitude is being affected by something else :) |
| 09:00.39 | my007ms | SerajewelKS i will try -m option now :) |
| 09:00.46 | SerajewelKS | Skapare: it would be more correct to say that it matters to the networking stack that it's running under qemu |
| 09:00.56 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: look in the iptables manpage, there are other options you need too |
| 09:01.07 | SerajewelKS | my007ms: -m just loads a module for that rule, it doesn't actually do anything |
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| 09:01.38 | Guerin | peterS: stew: thanks :) |
| 09:02.09 | Guerin | liable: the global domination scheme continues! |
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| 09:04.14 | Skapare | SerajewelKS: what's frustrating right now is the many reboots needed |
| 09:04.35 | Skapare | SerajewelKS: once I get everything configured, then I should be able to just leave it running for days |
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| 09:12.35 | liable | Guerin: Its goddam hard to get rid of you redheads! I recall seeing your picture once, so it was absoltely no surprise she was a redhead. congrats though :P |
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| 09:13.46 | Skapare | I still can't get the sources.list file from there ... would a screen capture of it be OK to see it? |
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| 09:15.19 | Stuckey | Hello |
| 09:16.28 | pipes | woah, !define dedicated: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmageek/2607914008/ |
| 09:17.33 | Skapare | here is the capture that shows sources.list ===> http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-sources-list.png |
| 09:17.52 | Stuckey | Does anyone here know how to encode dvds? |
| 09:17.54 | Skapare | I think that isn't complete |
| 09:18.01 | Stuckey | I'm wanting to make a back up copy of a dvd I purchased... |
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| 09:18.20 | notassociated | i' ve got a hostap chipset pcmcia card that was working ok in master mode and today it does not. whenever i try to put it in master mode by executing iwconfig wlan0 essid etch mode master i get the error:Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported |
| 09:18.22 | Skapare | Stuckey: is it a silver DVD or a RVR+/-R ? |
| 09:18.32 | Skapare | DVD+/-R |
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| 09:19.13 | Skapare | silver DVDs have a data area that recordables do not, and you cannot make a perfect 100% copy |
| 09:19.29 | Stuckey | I just wanted to put it on a usb disk |
| 09:19.39 | Stuckey | it's a silver Skapare |
| 09:20.01 | Skapare | if all you want is the ISO format data, you can get that |
| 09:20.21 | Skapare | but if it's a game or video with "protection", the protection won't be copied |
| 09:20.49 | Skapare | if you want to copy the DVD to a file on disk, the "dd" command can do it |
| 09:20.57 | Guerin | liable: yeah, happiest moment of my life, that :) |
| 09:21.10 | Stuckey | Skapare, I'd prefer to make it like mpeg or something like that |
| 09:21.23 | Skapare | Stuckey: is it a video DVD? |
| 09:21.30 | Stuckey | Skapare, Yep |
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| 09:21.36 | Skapare | Stuckey: is it copy protected? |
| 09:21.47 | Stuckey | i don't think so Skapare |
| 09:22.25 | Skapare | Stuckey: you were going to play it straight on the computer from the file? |
| 09:22.47 | Stuckey | Skapare, I think that'd be the best idea. |
| 09:23.01 | Skapare | Stuckey: which program did you want to use to play it? |
| 09:23.03 | Stuckey | Skapare, although for future reference how would I tell if it were copy protected? |
| 09:23.13 | Stuckey | Skapare, something that could be used on a windoze computer as well. |
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| 09:23.50 | Skapare | Stuckey: I believe xine will play a DVD ISO file as long as it is not encrypted |
| 09:24.10 | Stuckey | What's xine? |
| 09:24.14 | Skapare | Stuckey: there is certain files on the DVD that are present when DRM is present |
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| 09:24.33 | Skapare | from the man page: "xine - a free video player" |
| 09:24.42 | Stuckey | Skapare, that's not in lenny, is it? |
| 09:24.49 | Skapare | shrugs |
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| 09:25.05 | Skapare | is still trying to get packages to install in his etch system |
| 09:25.54 | Skapare | my current Slackware machine has xine ... and Slackware is generally well behind Debian |
| 09:26.15 | Stuckey | hmm... let's seee... I have xine |
| 09:26.19 | Stuckey | but it's called xine-console :) |
| 09:27.11 | Stuckey | Xine can run on windows? |
| 09:27.39 | Skapare | Stuckey: a DVD is mostly a big ISO filesystem image ... video is several files, each no more than 1GB, usually smaller like chapter size |
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| 09:28.04 | Skapare | I don't know where xine runs |
| 09:28.14 | Stuckey | Skapare, Could do mplayer, I believe that works on windows. |
| 09:28.25 | Stuckey | You like xine pretty good? I always use mplayer. |
| 09:28.38 | Skapare | mplayer is designed for video files ... dunno if it understands an ISO |
| 09:29.11 | Skapare | I have never used xine ... just recall someone saying it would play the ISO directly from an unencrypted DVD |
| 09:29.44 | Skapare | I do have a couple video DVDs I know are NOT encrypted ... some day I could try that and see |
| 09:29.53 | Stuckey | I'm trying to put this on a usb disk in a format that a windows computer could play. |
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| 09:30.36 | Skapare | then you would want to convert the video files within the ISO over to one of the myriad formats Windows media player understands |
| 09:31.06 | Stuckey | Skapare, anyway to get a 1.4 gb dvd (that's the total size of the actually dvd) down to something like 150mb? |
| 09:31.11 | Skapare | maybe xine has "drivers" that capture to a file |
| 09:31.34 | Skapare | very unlikely ... video on DVDs is compressed already |
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| 09:32.51 | Skapare | video on a DVD is in an MPEG format ... but ... chopped up into several files ... you'd need a playlist or something to play them ... and that might be on the DVD, too |
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| 09:34.14 | Skapare | anyone around that knows how to fix aptitute? |
| 09:34.48 | Skapare | some packages are "broken" with the claim of missing dependencies |
| 09:34.57 | sammcd | Is there an easy command I can run to see what an alias points to? |
| 09:35.20 | sammcd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.34 | Stuckey | Skapare, could you post error output to paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:37.14 | Skapare | Stuckey: I can only capture the display console as an image until I get a couple packages installed |
| 09:37.45 | Skapare | Stuckey: here is the sources.list file ... http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-sources-list.png |
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| 09:38.00 | Skapare | Stuckey: let me re-run aptitute and capture that |
| 09:38.08 | sammcd | so no way to reverse an alias? |
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| 09:41.18 | Stuckey | Your source lists is in order Skapare |
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| 09:41.54 | Skapare | Stuckey: well, now it isn't doing the error ... except it says for just about every package that it is from an untrusted source |
| 09:42.16 | Skapare | is that normal? |
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| 09:43.25 | Stuckey | Nope that's not normal... |
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| 09:44.28 | Stuckey | Skapare, did you do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:44.29 | liable | Guerin: I had to laugh the other day when you were making fun of someone installing a few debian boxen. You said its not much of an achievemnt because its so easy. I immediately thought of you making a child, which is also easy, but people seem to go really gooey when they make children for some reason ;) |
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| 09:45.47 | Skapare | Stuckey: no ... I was told to use aptitude instead pf apt-get |
| 09:45.54 | Skapare | of |
| 09:46.10 | Stuckey | Skapare, have you been using both or just aptitude? |
| 09:46.12 | liable | Skapare: did you paste the output like i asked? |
| 09:46.29 | Skapare | just aptitude ... first time on this system |
| 09:46.41 | Skapare | liable: no ... can't, yet |
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| 09:46.55 | Skapare | liable: http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-sources-list.png |
| 09:47.10 | liable | Skapare: so go about fixing your system so you can |
| 09:47.16 | Skapare | liable: that's all I have until I can get some other packages installed |
| 09:47.28 | Skapare | liable: that's what I'm trying to do |
| 09:47.39 | Stuckey | Skapare, apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update |
| 09:48.13 | Skapare | Stuckey: OK, hold on |
| 09:48.20 | Stuckey | Sounds to me like you probably didn't a keyring installed for the repository. |
| 09:48.47 | liable | what makes you say that? |
| 09:48.57 | Stuckey | Since it's saying all of the packages aren't verified... |
| 09:48.59 | liable | did he show an archive keyring error? |
| 09:49.02 | Guerin | liable: inseting the media is easy. The install wasn't much my problem. But damn, there's a lot of hand-holding through the rest of its life and once fully installed there's no uninstaller. |
| 09:49.22 | Stuckey | liable: what do you think the problem is? |
| 09:49.40 | liable | Stuckey: i have no idea untill he shows the actuall output |
| 09:50.08 | jelly-home | liable: it's clear that sources.list is incomplete, though |
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| 09:50.25 | suzu | hello |
| 09:50.26 | jelly-home | there's only security.d.o in it |
| 09:50.42 | liable | Guerin: aye, its just the first boot that makes people a bit funny. I can well imagine it, just funny watching it from irc ;) |
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| 09:51.20 | liable | jelly-home: heh, that would be a bit of a problem indeed :) |
| 09:51.24 | dam0 | hi, i am installing ubuntu, what moint points do i set my drives too? |
| 09:51.42 | liable | dam0: off you go to #ubuntu |
| 09:51.43 | Stuckey | !ubuntu |
| 09:51.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 09:51.58 | dam0 | im banned for some reason:)(} |
| 09:52.04 | dam0 | :| |
| 09:52.30 | Skapare | Stuckey: http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-keyring-1.png |
| 09:52.31 | liable | dam0: not our problem, you need to sort that out. try #freenode |
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| 09:53.19 | notassociated | my laptop has 2 wireless cards. one of them is a prism2 chipset based hostap driver which can be set to master mode, that is to act as an AP |
| 09:53.28 | notassociated | i' ve got a hostap chipset pcmcia card that was working ok in master mode and today it does not. whenever i try to put it in master mode by executing iwconfig wlan0 essid etch mode master i get the error:Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported |
| 09:54.20 | liable | Skapare: did you see what jelly-home said? you have no ordinary source line in your sources.list |
| 09:54.37 | Stuckey | Skapare, see what liable wrote. |
| 09:54.37 | Kohvihoor | can anything seriously brake, if i edit locales? |
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| 09:55.47 | Skapare | liable/jelly-home: OK ... so how do I update it? |
| 09:57.04 | liable | you need to add the following line to that file .. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch |
| 09:57.04 | Skapare | e.g. what should it have? |
| 09:57.15 | liable | erm |
| 09:57.16 | Skapare | add it at what position? |
| 09:57.19 | liable | you need to add the following line to that file .. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 09:57.25 | liable | doesnt matter |
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| 09:58.57 | bsdemon | Hi, I have installed apache 2.2.3 from debian repos, but how I can define what MPM it uses? |
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| 09:59.56 | Skapare | liable: OK ... now the keyring thing? or is that not really needed at this point? |
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| 10:01.04 | liable | Skapare: just run update and upgrade |
| 10:01.28 | Skapare | are those commands or options to some command? |
| 10:03.20 | Skapare | what exactly do I need to run? |
| 10:03.31 | liable | Skapare: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 10:05.23 | Skapare | OK, that's working now |
| 10:07.13 | Skapare | here's the result of that ... http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-upgrade-1.png |
| 10:07.48 | K_Sakura | Who makes a modem so that if you have only 200 or so simultaneous connections, the modem crashes like a certain badly made operating system?! |
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| 10:08.46 | Skapare | K_Sakura: dialup modem? |
| 10:08.54 | K_Sakura | No, DSL modem. |
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| 10:09.16 | K_Sakura | A Speedstream 5100. |
| 10:09.34 | liable | Skapare: thats better. so do a dist-upgrade |
| 10:09.35 | Skapare | maybe it's trying to be more than a modem ... maybe it's trying to be a router, firewall, etc ... tracking connections, and overflowing |
| 10:09.40 | K_Sakura | Also it reboots if I bump it too hard. |
| 10:09.55 | Skapare | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:10.33 | Skapare | K_Sakura: loose power connector? |
| 10:10.34 | K_Sakura | I have it in dumb mode -- its not supposed to be handling more than sending data in, and sending data out. |
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| 10:11.05 | K_Sakura | That could be, but it doesn't *feel* loose. |
| 10:12.00 | Stuckey | Anyone know the best way to encode a dvd-video? |
| 10:12.04 | Skapare | http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-upgrade-2.png |
| 10:12.22 | K_Sakura | (I do have a different power supply for it than originally came with it, but at least one other person has reported the same exact issue, except they knew less about it than I did.) |
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| 10:12.42 | K_Sakura | The crashing, not the reboots. |
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| 10:13.27 | Skapare | Stuckey: if you mean the thing we were talking about before ... taking a video from a DVD and making it playable in windows media player ... I'd suggest just giving it the ISO file and see if it can handle that ... if not, encode into mpeg4 |
| 10:13.55 | K_Sakura | (The only two reasons I use that modem, I get 150Kbytes/sec down, and I can use its diagnostic readouts to tell Pachell that its THEIR problem that I can't get online.) |
| 10:13.58 | Skapare | liable: ok ... dist-upgrade done again ... same result as first time |
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| 10:14.28 | K_Sakura | (As opposed to 120Kbytes/sec down and no diagnostic readouts with the older one.) |
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| 10:14.58 | K_Sakura | And their *still* 40Kbytes/sec slower than they advertise it as being. |
| 10:15.04 | K_Sakura | they're* |
| 10:15.16 | Skapare | why is it that problems are always the provider's fault when dealing with a customer that knows what they are doing? ... oh wait :) |
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| 10:16.04 | Skapare | DSL adjusts its speed dynamically based on signal-to-noise ratio |
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| 10:16.35 | K_Sakura | I was cut off from DSL for a week in August because they forgot to reconnect me in an upgrade. -.- |
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| 10:16.48 | Skapare | of course they will advertise the very best speed that only people across the stree from the phone central office can actually get |
| 10:16.59 | Stuckey | Does anyone know if mencoder is in lenny or if I need to install dmm to use it? |
| 10:17.02 | K_Sakura | They once changed my username on me, and didn't send the email telling me about it until three months later. -.- |
| 10:17.42 | Skapare | K_Sakura: I've seen worse ... in a previous job, the telco was removing an old switch ... but didn't know it was being used for 40 PRI lines we had in place |
| 10:18.03 | K_Sakura | They've also BSed me every time I had to actually call them. |
| 10:18.15 | ktwilight | is it safe to change partition type on a live RAID? am thinking of changing 83 Linux to ee GPT. |
| 10:19.00 | Skapare | OK so what is the next step in the apt-get/aptitude saga I have? ... apt-get dist-upgrade done twice now |
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| 10:19.49 | K_Sakura | Skapare: That's a lot like what happened in August, and I'd specifically (on the first call) asked if they'd done anything recently that could effect my net connection, made any changes, etc. |
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| 10:20.50 | K_Sakura | And they use an annoying 'voice activated' voicemail menu. |
| 10:21.09 | Skapare | liable: still around? |
| 10:21.26 | liable | aye |
| 10:21.37 | liable | whats the latest? |
| 10:21.38 | K_Sakura | I've found that the fastest way to get a live person is to start insulting the software running it -- in Japanese. |
| 10:21.49 | Skapare | done apt-get dist-upgrade twice now ... so what's the next thing? |
| 10:22.00 | liable | whats the error? |
| 10:22.25 | Skapare | the original error or the result from dist-upgrade? |
| 10:22.38 | liable | from dist-upgrade |
| 10:22.38 | Skapare | dist-upgrade results --> http://phil.ipal.org/debian/capture-upgrade-2.png |
| 10:23.19 | liable | Skapare: there is no problem in that output |
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| 10:24.03 | liable | Skapare: try doing whatever you were doing before you came here |
| 10:24.10 | dihymo | multimedia keys aren't working with hex values |
| 10:25.13 | Skapare | liable: OK ... that being "aptitude" to install stuff I needed like rsync and ssh |
| 10:25.28 | liable | Skapare: yes, so try that |
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| 10:27.03 | eanda | Hey all. Running fluxbox and looking for a gui based non kde/gnome user and group administration package. any suggestions |
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| 10:27.49 | liable | eanda: why do you need a gui based one? whats wrong with adduser/addgroup? |
| 10:28.28 | eanda | because I'm setting the client up for a customer who is non-linux aware... |
| 10:28.53 | eanda | but will simply need to add users or add them to a group |
| 10:28.55 | liable | uh, then fluxbox is a bad choice of WM |
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| 10:29.30 | eanda | actuallly it is a great choice since it is difficult to make changes to a desktop |
| 10:29.36 | liable | if you expect a new linux user to be happy with fluxbox, you are setting them up for teh FAIL |
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| 10:31.02 | eanda | wtf.. I'm not here to debate the issue on desktopto provide.I just asked if there was a gui for adding users and groups outside of kde/gnome |
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| 10:31.59 | liable | you are using a *lightweight* WM, and you expect it to have the gui goodness of gname/kde? thats why i mentioned adduser |
| 10:32.32 | liable | you cant have the best of both worlds |
| 10:32.53 | eanda | understand. the customer has very old equipment and I told him we could still use the old stuff so he wouldn't have huge capital costs |
| 10:33.14 | eanda | so fluxbox is the choice... |
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| 10:33.47 | liable | eanda: adduser and addgroup are really very simple to use. really, the learning curve between a click and a cli command is not much different |
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| 10:34.03 | eanda | and I'm designing a standard fb desktop for them, but it does need the ability to add users and groups |
| 10:34.36 | eanda | yes, but it gets them involved in opening up a terminal |
| 10:34.43 | liable | openbox has a bit of a control panel these days. you might want to check out lxde |
| 10:34.57 | eanda | and if I can avoid that I would be happy |
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| 10:35.12 | liable | eanda: lxde is a openbox based DE with a few goodies |
| 10:35.35 | liable | its pretty good, we recommend it for eee's |
| 10:36.07 | liable | well, i, and a lot of eee users |
| 10:36.16 | eanda | ok.. I will review that, however, am I to understand there is no gui package in debian like I specified? |
| 10:36.33 | liable | i dont believe so |
| 10:36.35 | Skapare | liable: seems to be working now ... after doing - then + to reset a previous selection still flagged red (it changed to green when I did that) |
| 10:36.45 | liable | Skapare: good |
| 10:36.49 | Skapare | liable: tahnks for the help |
| 10:37.08 | eanda | ok thanks.. perhaps I shouldmove to xfcethen |
| 10:37.14 | liable | Skapare: you realise you dont have to use the clunky gui interface for aptitude? |
| 10:37.47 | K_Sakura | Anyone got a recommendation for a good DSL modem that doesn't crash under a light/moderate load? |
| 10:37.51 | liable | eanda: give lxde a quick go. i do recommend it over xfce |
| 10:37.58 | Skapare | liable: you mean the virtual text console as opposed to the root terminal under X? |
| 10:38.08 | eanda | okI will |
| 10:38.23 | K_Sakura | Or know of a bugfix for a Speedstream 5100? |
| 10:38.23 | eanda | man i gotta getthis spacebar fixed |
| 10:38.45 | K_Sakura | keeps spare keyboards around for that. |
| 10:38.46 | liable | Skapare: no, from cli. you can use it like apt-get. no need to use the bad ui it has |
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| 10:39.05 | Skapare | eanda: ihopetheinfectedspacebarisnotcatching |
| 10:39.17 | eanda | hope not eaither |
| 10:39.33 | eanda | dam wifewontletme getanew one |
| 10:39.52 | Skapare | liable: I want the menu of packages so I can see what I might need ... so that's why aptitude |
| 10:39.59 | liable | Skapare: k |
| 10:40.13 | liable | i personally hate its UI |
| 10:40.25 | liable | its great from cli though |
| 10:40.31 | Skapare | liable: and I did it in a term in X to get 120x36 as opposed to console with 80x25 |
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| 10:41.46 | Skapare | liable: and in case you didn't catch it when I mentioned it a while back, it's amd64 running under qemu in a 32 bit slackware system on a pair of real AMD Opterons |
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| 10:42.30 | Skapare | liable: I need to get a64-bit development/test environment so I can migrate some stuff before I make the big move to 64 bit |
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| 10:42.46 | Skapare | liable: so ... qemu for now |
| 10:42.57 | liable | Skapare: then you should have installed a 64 system |
| 10:43.22 | liable | i have no idea how that works in a 32 host |
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| 10:43.45 | liable | but a 64 sources list is not what you have |
| 10:43.47 | K_Sakura | migrated to amd64... in 2007. |
| 10:44.01 | Skapare | liable: qemu-server-x86_64 emulates the full 64-bit CPU ... a 64-bit kernel runs in it |
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| 10:44.32 | Skapare | liable: and it can do that emulation running on 32 bit or 64 bit machines of several architectures |
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| 10:45.35 | Skapare | I need to get all my stuff to be 64-bit ready before I make the shift on the host hardware |
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| 10:45.38 | K_Sakura | Speaking of emulation, is there a good Mac emulator? (I just want to emulate a 680x0 series Mac.) |
| 10:45.56 | Skapare | have not seen one ... but have not looked |
| 10:46.04 | petemc | qemu does ppc |
| 10:46.05 | liable | mac software? |
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| 10:46.26 | K_Sakura | The last one I saw was basilisk -- but it doesn't even compile on my system. |
| 10:46.31 | Skapare | downloaded a TRS-80 emulator a couple years ago ... talk about legacy ... the emulation was faster than the machine |
| 10:47.07 | Skapare | petemc: yes it does ... and mips and arm and a few others |
| 10:47.34 | K_Sakura | There's just a couple of games I like for that need a Mac. |
| 10:47.54 | K_Sakura | And since I don't ever like spending anything on an OS.... |
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| 10:49.50 | K_Sakura | I got a copy of MacOS6 (IIRC) and installed that on BasiliskII -- which emulated a 68040 on my old Celeron -- and it was faster than a real 68040, to run the same game. |
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| 10:51.23 | SethX | re all, is there a way to have find -ls (which outputs escaped charachters) not output the file info along with it? or in alternative, anybody know of a script which can strip the file info, as from ls -l , from the filename ? |
| 10:52.21 | K_Sakura | 'file info'? |
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| 10:52.50 | SethX | 3120151 20 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root for instance |
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| 10:58.43 | Skapare | waves good night |
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| 11:03.29 | sylar | what can I do against web sites that take a lot of CPU resources? |
| 11:04.08 | idimmu | rewrite them so they use less cpu or add more cpu |
| 11:04.37 | idimmu | you could profile them to see what they're doing |
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| 11:05.15 | sylar | idimmu, I am asking that as an admin of multiuser system |
| 11:05.19 | idimmu | as your questions pretty sucky so i cant believe your diagnosis of 'take a lot of cpu resources' is necesarily 100% correct |
| 11:05.25 | idimmu | ah ok gotcha |
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| 11:05.33 | idimmu | so what can you do against users that take a lot of cpu :) |
| 11:05.47 | sylar | it is not the user's fault |
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| 11:06.04 | sylar | it is probably a javascript in the webpage |
| 11:06.39 | idimmu | where are the cpu resources being used |
| 11:06.43 | idimmu | on the client or on the server ? |
| 11:06.52 | sylar | on the server |
| 11:07.32 | idimmu | you could check the apache logs and look at the page requests |
| 11:08.16 | idimmu | basically either 1) the website is well written but is too busy for your server, so move it to a less contended server |
| 11:08.35 | sylar | it is not an http server |
| 11:08.35 | idimmu | or 2) its badly written and needs profiling and fixing to be more efficient |
| 11:08.54 | idimmu | are you trolling me? |
| 11:09.02 | sylar | I am not serving the web pages, my users are clients for web pages |
| 11:09.14 | sylar | I use freenx |
| 11:09.18 | sylar | server |
| 11:09.28 | idimmu | ah ok way to say that at the start |
| 11:10.07 | sylar | well, I like to keep it quite so people will not test if my server is secure or not |
| 11:10.30 | sylar | quiet |
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| 11:11.34 | ktwilight | am having different uuids ouput in mdadm.conf and /dev/disk/by-uuid, is this normal? |
| 11:11.45 | ktwilight | the system boots fine, and works fine too. |
| 11:11.59 | ktwilight | mdstat's status is normal. |
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| 11:16.44 | suwro | hello |
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| 11:17.19 | suwro | I have a lapsus - what's the command to test apache2 config file ? |
| 11:18.28 | suwro | I REMEMBERED! apachectl configtest |
| 11:18.50 | suwro | My brain is messed up - need more coffee |
| 11:18.51 | suwro | bye |
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| 11:19.27 | ktwilight | http://rafb.net/p/FuJKzd87.html <- how does that make any sense? |
| 11:19.54 | ktwilight | seems like the uuids are all wrong, yet mdstat doesn't complain |
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| 11:26.59 | voodoo | hi all, is there any way to inspect incoming traffic to box and then drop it ? so, i would need this incoming traffice >>> inspect >> drop |
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| 11:28.12 | petemc | voodoo: iptables has a QUEUE target which might go someway towards what you need |
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| 11:29.49 | eNaz | how do you create a new ordinary user account? |
| 11:30.00 | liable | eNaz: adduser |
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| 11:30.19 | eNaz | oh, i forgott that you couldnt have big letters. |
| 11:30.24 | eNaz | that's why it fucked up for me |
| 11:30.38 | eNaz | what is Room number? |
| 11:31.04 | petemc | do you know what a room is? |
| 11:31.19 | eNaz | well, a real room like in a house? |
| 11:31.23 | eNaz | hehe :p |
| 11:31.39 | eNaz | I'm new to this so.. don't know all the syntaxes |
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| 11:34.12 | Eulex | eNaz, all that info about users (real name, adress etc) is optional. |
| 11:34.21 | eNaz | ok, thank you. |
| 11:35.13 | ribasushi_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mailscanner&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:35.25 | ribasushi_ | ^^ how can I find out why this package fell from the testing distro? |
| 11:35.37 | themill | !why is mailscanner not in testing |
| 11:35.37 | dpkg | mailscanner is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mailscanner |
| 11:36.15 | ribasushi | I see... |
| 11:36.17 | themill | !dbugs 506353 |
| 11:36.20 | dpkg | #506353:G[mailscanner] CVE-2008-5312/3: mailscanner might allow local users to overwrite arbitrary files via a symlink attack (fixed-upstream confirmed upstream help security); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:28 UTC [] |
| 11:36.21 | ribasushi | how long does a freeze last usually? |
| 11:36.44 | themill | ribasushi: ^^ it's got unfixed security bugs so was removed from testing |
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| 11:41.10 | themill | ribasushi: the freeze will last until lenny is fit for release. For more information, "/msg dpkg wwlr". |
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| 11:54.42 | debian_noob | can anybody help me use my printer? |
| 11:54.55 | debian_noob | its an HP Laserjet 6L |
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| 11:56.03 | fmr | debian_noob: what's your problem ? |
| 11:56.18 | debian_noob | i cant print |
| 11:56.26 | fmr | have you installed hplip ? |
| 11:57.01 | debian_noob | no |
| 11:57.10 | fmr | install it then :) |
| 11:57.34 | fmr | and use hp-setup after |
| 11:57.50 | crono- | which package includes ldapcat? |
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| 11:59.33 | crono- | ahh nevermind, its called 'slapcat' |
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| 11:59.48 | tapioco | hi |
| 11:59.52 | crono- | i suppose it does have a better connotation :> |
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| 12:00.48 | tapioco | please I need to make a lan access the internet, but dns server has got blocked mac addresses and my lan pcs are not registered on that server... |
| 12:00.52 | monzie|home | Hello everyone |
| 12:01.06 | monzie|home | I just setup bugzilla on debian lenny by using apt-get install bugzilla3 |
| 12:01.21 | petemc | tapioco: why do you need to be registered to use a dns server? |
| 12:01.42 | debian_noob | my synaptics is not working! |
| 12:01.45 | debian_noob | help me |
| 12:01.47 | petemc | tapioco: in any case, why not just use an alternate nameserver? |
| 12:01.47 | monzie|home | What is the url I should use to access it? I am using http://127.0.1.1//cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi but it bugzilla is not serving any CSS resulting in ugly ouptut |
| 12:01.50 | tapioco | petemc, the router/dns server has got a list of registered client |
| 12:01.54 | monzie|home | What is the url I should use to access it? I am using http://127.0.1.1//cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi but it bugzilla is not serving any CSS resulting in ugly ouptut |
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| 12:02.22 | tapioco | petemc, my idea is to setup a bind9 on a registered machine |
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| 12:03.19 | petemc | tapioco: that would work# |
| 12:03.35 | tapioco | petemc, I'd like to use another dns server, but router blocks non registered mac address on the lan |
| 12:04.11 | tapioco | petemc, now I've got a registered two ethernet pc on the lan |
| 12:04.19 | petemc | tapioco: thats a useful feature. you could use opendns nameservers to get you going long enough to install bind9 yourself |
| 12:04.46 | tapioco | petemc, opendns? |
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| 12:05.02 | petemc | right |
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| 12:05.15 | tapioco | petemc, shall I configure bind9 for my lan? |
| 12:05.26 | petemc | go for it |
| 12:05.39 | tapioco | petemc, it is quiet difficult |
| 12:06.03 | tapioco | petemc, I don't know bind9 |
| 12:06.12 | petemc | it works out of the box as a caching nameserver |
| 12:06.19 | tapioco | petemc, ok |
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| 12:07.07 | monzie|home | http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2734/snapshot2qs5.png << snapshot of bugzilla running on my machine |
| 12:07.19 | tapioco | petemc, so I have to setup a "caching nameserver". Haven't I? |
| 12:07.29 | petemc | yes |
| 12:08.13 | tapioco | ok |
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| 12:11.00 | debiannoob | this error is coming when i try to installl anything using synaptic http://pastebin.com/ma96ec17 |
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| 12:17.20 | eNaz | Hi, need some help :> |
| 12:17.21 | eNaz | After making changes to /etc/oidentd.conf, oidentd needs to be restarted for the changes to take effect. This can usually be done with the following shell command: |
| 12:17.28 | eNaz | Â /etc/init.d/oidentd restart |
| 12:17.43 | eNaz | -bash: /etc/init.d/odeitnd: No such file or directory |
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| 12:17.55 | eNaz | wops |
| 12:18.16 | eNaz | i spelled the shit wrong. |
| 12:18.17 | petemc | eNaz: do you have oidentd installed? |
| 12:18.31 | petemc | use tab completion |
| 12:18.40 | eNaz | i i have it, i just spelt wrong |
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| 12:30.08 | efaistos | anyone has some issue with X ? i have a acnt open /dev/agpgart ... |
| 12:30.10 | efaistos | any idea ? |
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| 12:30.44 | efaistos | and have also a message about failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRam too low ? |
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| 12:34.56 | efaistos | nobody ? |
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| 12:36.46 | jelly | efaistos: what is the real problem? Did X not start at all? |
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| 12:38.13 | jelly | efaistos: please state which debian release are you running, and pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. One of our poorly paid students will be with you shortly. In the meantime, enjoy some musac. |
| 12:38.28 | jelly | puts Girl from Ipanema on |
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| 12:39.33 | hedgehoginfog | Does anyone know how to make k3b burn DVDs at a speed faster than 1Mb/s? |
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| 12:41.30 | uplinx | what does the last part of 127.0.0.0/8 mean? does it mean the range of ips from 0 - 8? |
| 12:43.04 | mquin | uplinx: the /8 described the subnet mask |
| 12:43.26 | uplinx | mquin, hm. what is that notation called so i can look it up? |
| 12:43.31 | jelly | uplinx: CIDR |
| 12:43.33 | mquin | CIDR |
| 12:43.50 | mquin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing |
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| 12:44.02 | uplinx | thanks |
| 12:45.53 | efaistos | jelly: doesnt start at all ... and dont have anything special in xorg.conf and my release is testing/sid |
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| 12:49.55 | jelly | efaistos: please pastebin the files if you want help, those are the starting point for looking into any X issues |
| 12:50.42 | ktwilight | anyone got any docs that i can read up on /dev/disk/by*? i want to confirm about my findings that by-uuid and by-id don't correspond |
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| 12:51.48 | theholyduck | ktwilight, well obviously |
| 12:51.59 | theholyduck | uuid isnt in any way related to id |
| 12:52.37 | ktwilight | i see md-uuid in by-id, that doesn't correspond to by-uuid/, even though they are symlinked to the correct /dev/md{0,1,2} |
| 12:52.48 | ktwilight | s/correct/same |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 12:52.49 | dpkg | uuid is probably a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 12:53.21 | ktwilight | and the by-uuid mds do not correspond to mdadm.conf either |
| 12:53.39 | ktwilight | only by-id's md-uuid-* does. the system boots fine though. |
| 12:53.42 | theholyduck | ktwilight, well by-uuid is listed on a filesystem basis :P |
| 12:53.51 | ktwilight | eh? |
| 12:54.06 | theholyduck | where as md-uuid- isnt right? |
| 12:54.14 | ktwilight | has no idea |
| 12:54.19 | ktwilight | i wish to read more about it though |
| 12:54.33 | ktwilight | http://rafb.net/p/6k3zrZ30.html <- see if this makes sense |
| 12:54.42 | ktwilight | it sure doesn't to me...yet? |
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| 12:55.20 | theholyduck | err. |
| 12:55.22 | theholyduck | that makes sense |
| 12:55.39 | theholyduck | by-uuid lists all the 3 filesystems |
| 12:55.42 | jelly | ktwilight: by-id uses the block device models and serial numbers for physical devices. I guess the closest thing to a serial number in a md would be its md-uuid |
| 12:55.43 | theholyduck | by their correct uuid |
| 12:55.56 | theholyduck | where as everythign ELSE |
| 12:56.00 | theholyduck | is just physical drive identifiers |
| 12:56.10 | theholyduck | by-uuid ONLY does filesystem uuids |
| 12:56.19 | ktwilight | oh... |
| 12:56.25 | testw4324324324 | hi |
| 12:56.31 | ktwilight | hmm... |
| 12:56.51 | ktwilight | how do i find the fs' uuids of the array? --examine doesn't tell me...? |
| 12:57.15 | _buffer09 | is it better to use for production etch or lenny? |
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| 12:57.44 | theholyduck | ktwilight, i dunno what --examine prints |
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| 12:57.57 | theholyduck | blkid shows you what you want doesnt it? |
| 12:58.01 | theholyduck | it list md0-2 |
| 12:58.07 | theholyduck | and their correct uuids |
| 12:58.17 | ktwilight | well damn good point |
| 12:58.22 | abrotman | ktwilight: the factoid told you |
| 12:58.42 | theholyduck | im not entirely sure WHAT the --examine stuff does |
| 12:58.50 | theholyduck | but im guessing its like lvm |
| 12:58.51 | ktwilight | abrotman, yea i saw the factoid, but wasn't clear enough |
| 12:58.57 | theholyduck | where you have a UUID for the logical volume |
| 12:59.00 | theholyduck | and ANOTHER for the filesystem |
| 12:59.03 | ktwilight | theholyduck, yea, pretty much like that |
| 12:59.10 | ktwilight | but it doesn't state the uuid of the filesystem |
| 12:59.19 | theholyduck | the uuid for logical volume is used when working with the lvm array |
| 12:59.21 | abrotman | ktwilight: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 12:59.23 | ktwilight | hm, should have read more about blkid before asking :) |
| 12:59.37 | theholyduck | but the uuid for the filesystem is only used when mounting |
| 12:59.38 | theholyduck | etc |
| 12:59.43 | theholyduck | so they use diffrent uuids |
| 12:59.50 | ktwilight | hm |
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| 13:00.05 | ktwilight | k, thanks guys. gonna go through blkid again :) |
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| 13:04.50 | d-b | hi is there anything higher than kill -9 ? |
| 13:05.06 | d-b | tis not working here |
| 13:05.10 | joltcan | Nope |
| 13:05.19 | d-b | are you serious ? |
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| 13:05.23 | joltcan | then something bad (tm) has probably happened |
| 13:05.36 | d-b | samba is stuck at 100% cpu ?... |
| 13:05.37 | d-b | fsck |
| 13:05.42 | joltcan | look at dmesg, or in ps if there is a zombie process |
| 13:05.43 | petemc | d-b: you can kill all processes, such as those in disk wait or zombies |
| 13:05.53 | petemc | samba will probably be in d state |
| 13:05.57 | petemc | wait it out |
| 13:06.04 | d-b | right. |
| 13:06.11 | d-b | i have checked dmesg -> dma cookie problem |
| 13:06.29 | d-b | it happened a while back. |
| 13:06.56 | joltcan | you can try SIGCHLD and see if it works. But usually it's hard to do something about it |
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| 13:07.19 | joltcan | or kill the parent process if you can locate it |
| 13:07.20 | d-b | ok then gtg reboot :( |
| 13:07.57 | theholyduck | joltcan, wouldnt pkill -9 samba or whatever |
| 13:07.58 | theholyduck | work? |
| 13:08.11 | petemc | no |
| 13:09.50 | petemc | that was obviously meant to be " you canT kill all processes" , not you can |
| 13:10.17 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.30 | alcohol | guys |
| 13:11.53 | abrotman | gals ? |
| 13:11.53 | alcohol | how do you get packages from unstable sources in etch again? |
| 13:11.53 | alcohol | I forgot the dpkg name |
| 13:11.54 | alcohol | for triggering the reply |
| 13:12.13 | abrotman | alcohol: which package? |
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| 13:12.21 | alcohol | ming in this case |
| 13:12.58 | abrotman | !tell alcohol about ssb |
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| 13:14.21 | alcohol | why sid? o_O |
| 13:15.16 | abrotman | you asked for unstable .. sid is unstable |
| 13:16.33 | alcohol | oh, right |
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| 13:16.46 | alcohol | what is lenny btw? |
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| 13:17.00 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue how to make the alt+1,2,3 keys work in bitchx w/xterm ? |
| 13:18.04 | petemc | does esc + num work? |
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| 13:18.22 | rvsjoen | lenny is the codename for the next debian release |
| 13:18.41 | rvsjoen | petemc : indeed it does |
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| 13:18.57 | Chicago | rvsjoen: I'd call it the 'latest' release (read that as it's late). |
| 13:19.08 | abrotman | Chicago: it is not, and don't tell people it is |
| 13:19.10 | rvsjoen | good point |
| 13:19.23 | rvsjoen | is there a release date set yet ? |
| 13:19.27 | abrotman | no |
| 13:19.42 | mugwort13 | Has anyone tried Adobe's 64 bit flash player (Astro) on Iceweasel yet? |
| 13:19.43 | Chicago | Technically, aren't we just waiting for there to be less bugs in lenny then there are in etch? |
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| 13:20.14 | abrotman | Chicago: 0 RC bugs, currently about 50, and AIUI, another RC from the installer team |
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| 13:20.43 | abrotman | i think other release goals have been met |
| 13:21.06 | Chicago | abrotman: Well this guy is ready to go here, I am picking up with Debian on this release an am already starting to get immersed into the Debian culture. |
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| 13:24.17 | khaleel5000 | hello, i am a noob on debian (lenny) with ati x1650 pro agp card, i wanted to know if fglrx and ati catalyst are same drivers , the difference being that catalyst is for windows flgrx is for linux? |
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| 13:26.57 | liable | khaleel5000: pretty much |
| 13:27.23 | liable | though the linux driver sucks more |
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| 13:28.52 | mugwort13 | khaleel5000: the fglrx package in Lenny's repository should be the catalyst driver you need. Do a google search for Debain Lenny fglrx, it will take you to the page |
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| 13:30.43 | mugwort13 | (however, you should most likely spell Debian correctly, unlike myself :P) |
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| 13:35.08 | khaleel5000 | liable: mugwort13 thanks |
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| 13:36.48 | smaug9 | DazzlingUrbanite! |
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| 13:37.35 | dazjorz | that was one weird highlight! ('daz') |
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| 13:37.42 | dazjorz | 14:37:35 < dazjorz> that was one weird highlight! ('daz') |
| 13:37.54 | dazman | tell me about it! :p |
| 13:37.57 | khaleel5000 | ok, one more noobish question , i have the following repository in my /etc/apt/sourcelist :- deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 13:37.59 | dazjorz | :D |
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| 13:38.17 | khaleel5000 | to get non-free, should i just add deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 13:38.31 | khaleel5000 | to get non-free, should i just add deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny non-free <<---for non free? |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about non-free |
| 13:38.36 | abrotman | !tell khaleel5000 about contrib |
| 13:38.40 | _buffer | is it save to use lenny now in production? |
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| 13:38.58 | abrotman | _buffer: what kind of machine is it? |
| 13:38.59 | petemc | _buffer: you could look at the known bugs and see if any affect you |
| 13:39.00 | dazjorz | _buffer: I'd wait till it's stable |
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| 13:39.09 | _buffer | hm |
| 13:39.16 | _buffer | its a server |
| 13:39.19 | _buffer | running xen on it |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | _buffer: if it's an externally available server, i wouldn't |
| 13:39.37 | _buffer | its a private server with my own domUs |
| 13:39.46 | _buffer | not for business |
| 13:39.50 | khaleel5000 | aabthanks |
| 13:39.53 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:40.01 | _buffer | cause currently i installed xen via etch backports |
| 13:40.08 | _buffer | and i think, lenny would be better |
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| 13:40.18 | _buffer | cause lenny is on deep freeze? |
| 13:40.27 | _buffer | what exactly does deep freeze mean? |
| 13:40.44 | tapioco | hi |
| 13:41.00 | alcohol | I have lenny on a machine that is currently eating a lot of power doing nothing |
| 13:41.05 | alcohol | kinda like a deep freeze |
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| 13:41.35 | _buffer | hm |
| 13:41.41 | dazjorz | _buffer: it means no packages are being accepted into it, unless explicitly allowed by [insert name] |
| 13:41.44 | dazjorz | maintainer or something? :) |
| 13:41.59 | alcohol | why? |
| 13:42.01 | _buffer | ah okay, so how long it takes to release stable? |
| 13:42.01 | alcohol | ): |
| 13:42.08 | dazjorz | _buffer: nobody knows |
| 13:42.12 | dazjorz | "when it's done" |
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| 13:42.19 | alcohol | lame, so I should uninstall lenny and switch to sid? |
| 13:42.21 | _buffer | ah of course |
| 13:42.23 | alcohol | cause I wanna keep receiving updates |
| 13:42.31 | abrotman | alcohol: that doesn't make sense either |
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| 13:42.36 | error4o4 | do you know what does htpasswd use for encryption ? (hash contains 13 characters) |
| 13:42.39 | alcohol | does to me |
| 13:42.48 | alcohol | I wanna keep using the latest stuff |
| 13:42.54 | abrotman | alcohol: no, it doesn't .. if you knew how it worked, you wouldn't bother |
| 13:42.59 | alcohol | I don't want my machine to suddenly go like "oh, lets stop" |
| 13:43.07 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:43.16 | alcohol | how does it work then? |
| 13:43.21 | abrotman | you didn't even know sid was unstable .. why would you want to use that |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | error4o4: ask #apache |
| 13:43.42 | alcohol | I know lenny was receiving a lot of updates on a weekly basis |
| 13:43.47 | dazjorz | alcohol: just put 'testing' in your sources.list instead of 'lenny' - as soon as lenny becomes stable, you are still on testing |
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| 13:44.00 | alcohol | ah |
| 13:44.01 | abrotman | he shuld track lenny, not testing |
| 13:44.03 | alcohol | that's what I wanted to hear |
| 13:44.09 | dazjorz | error4o4: anything, there's command-line options for that |
| 13:44.21 | dazjorz | abrotman: why? |
| 13:44.32 | alcohol | abrotman: why? I don't wanna get stick at some version considered stable. if there's a newer version, I want it. |
| 13:44.38 | alcohol | s/stick/stuck/ |
| 13:44.43 | dazjorz | abrotman: if he wants testing explicitly, he should use testing, not the current version of testing |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | dazjorz: did you also warn him that after lenny is released, testing won't get any updates, and then will get a huge pile of them very likely breaking his system ? |
| 13:45.07 | dazjorz | abrotman: is that so? |
| 13:45.21 | dazjorz | abrotman: it *breaks* his system? |
| 13:45.24 | jelly | dazjorz: that's what happened last two times |
| 13:45.25 | Danielss89 | hi.. when i do crontab -e i can edit my crontabs.. can i set variables so that i dont have to type in a path each time.. like in php i would do: path = "/var/www/"; and then the crontab: * * * * * /usr/bin/php path."crontab.php" |
| 13:45.29 | abrotman | dazjorz: read what i wrote |
| 13:45.43 | dazjorz | abrotman: I thought "testing" meant "not entirely stable, but it seems to work" |
| 13:45.54 | dazjorz | abrotman: updates breaking a system doesn't match with testing :/ |
| 13:45.55 | abrotman | dazjorz: you can think whatever you want, doesn't make it correct |
| 13:46.03 | khaleel5000 | ok, i am trying to install ati propritory drivers for my x1650 pro agp, the ati website says latest drivers are 8.32.5 https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.32.5.html#183490 ,while debian's drivers for fglrx names it 1:8-3-7 http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/f/fglrx-driver/fglrx-driver_8-7-3/changelog --how do I know which 'catalyst' driver was compiled in this 'debian's package'? |
| 13:46.03 | dazjorz | jelly: that's kinda weird :/ |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | if you want a stable/functional system, use stable |
| 13:46.10 | dazjorz | abrotman: so what's the recommended way of staying on testing? |
| 13:46.13 | alcohol | etch is stable |
| 13:46.22 | khaleel5000 | as only the 8.32.5 support my agp card x1650 pro |
| 13:46.22 | alcohol | but it's also a dinosaur |
| 13:46.23 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:46.24 | jelly | dazjorz: not at all, that meaning is correct during the normal devel phase |
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| 13:46.43 | abrotman | the re-opening of testing after a release is usually very hectic |
| 13:47.03 | Chicago | alcohol: Yeah, feels like 1997 again. |
| 13:47.11 | dazjorz | how long is it, usually, until that's resolved? :) |
| 13:47.19 | dazjorz | or how can you tell? :) |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | dazjorz: there's no way to know |
| 13:47.24 | jelly | abrotman: perhaps they should make a small door and only let 50-ish new packages each day ;-) |
| 13:47.34 | abrotman | jelly: which 50? half of KDE4? :) |
| 13:47.36 | alcohol | why is there such a rush flow? |
| 13:47.40 | jelly | abrotman: yes! |
| 13:47.48 | alcohol | is it because for example lenny is not accepting updates anymore? |
| 13:47.48 | jelly | abrotman: ascii order |
| 13:47.49 | abrotman | jelly: oh i know! half of those freaking texlive updates! |
| 13:47.52 | alcohol | so people have to wait? |
| 13:48.01 | _buffer | when i now install lenny, after lenny gets stable, i can just do "apt-get update/upgrade" and my version is stable? |
| 13:48.02 | dazjorz | alcohol: all those packages which are waiting to get into testing now, I think |
| 13:48.10 | jelly | abrotman: duh, 50 source packages :-) |
| 13:48.11 | dazjorz | _buffer: yep |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | _buffer: just point your sources at lenny .. not "testing" |
| 13:48.17 | dazjorz | _buffer: as long as your sources.list says "lenny" |
| 13:48.24 | jelly | abrotman: so texlive = 1 |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | jelly: that's cheating |
| 13:48.33 | _buffer | yes, i use every time the release name |
| 13:48.34 | dazjorz | _buffer: make sure to run dist-upgrade, not upgrade, btw |
| 13:48.43 | abrotman | !tell _buffer about etch->lenny |
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| 13:48.54 | _buffer | no, im installing lenny fresh |
| 13:49.16 | _buffer | i will install today lenny fresh, and so i do not need dist-upgrade after lenny goes stable? |
| 13:49.35 | abrotman | _buffer: you may, some stuff may be held back |
| 13:49.58 | dazjorz | oh jeez |
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| 13:50.06 | dazjorz | dist-upgrade alternatives, /me reads about them |
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| 13:51.39 | Symbi0nt | has "cron" a log or so?` |
| 13:51.53 | Symbi0nt | where I can see what happed when a cron does not run |
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| 13:52.10 | alcohol | syslog? daemonlog? |
| 13:52.20 | Danielss89 | hi.. when i do crontab -e i can edit my crontabs.. can i set variables so that i dont have to type in a path each time.. like in php i would do: path = "/var/www/"; and then the crontab: * * * * * /usr/bin/php path."crontab.php" |
| 13:52.24 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: /var/log/cron.log usually |
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| 13:52.40 | dazjorz | Danielss89: yes, but don't set PATH, it's already used |
| 13:52.58 | dazjorz | do something like, WEBROOT="/var/www", and then use: /usr/bin/php "$WEBROOT/crontab.php" |
| 13:53.00 | Danielss89 | dazjorz what should the syntax look like? |
| 13:53.04 | Symbi0nt | hmmm nope ... btmp.1 and daemon.log is the next .. :/ |
| 13:53.10 | Danielss89 | ok thanks dazjorz |
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| 13:53.42 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: what is your cron task? |
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| 13:54.34 | FilipeMaia | Is there any package to install openib in debian? |
| 13:54.49 | Symbi0nt | something like this: 45 * * * * root /usr/bin/wget -O - -q -t 1 http://www.example.com/cron.php |
| 13:54.51 | Symbi0nt | as crontab |
| 13:55.03 | Symbi0nt | should be run every hour X:45 I think |
| 13:55.18 | Symbi0nt | but it doesnt |
| 13:55.27 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: how do you know it doesn't ? |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: and you put this in /etc/crontab ? |
| 13:55.40 | Symbi0nt | abrotman: yes |
| 13:55.46 | Symbi0nt | in the file that was there already |
| 13:56.02 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: what this does, is download the file, print it on STDOUT |
| 13:56.06 | dazjorz | is that what you wanted? |
| 13:56.21 | Symbi0nt | dazjorz: the Framework tells me when the last cron was run, and if it says 1 hour and XX minutes than the cron hasn't run |
| 13:56.27 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: you could put the command in a script, and then add additional debugging to the script |
| 13:56.41 | jelly | wonders why wget needs to be run as root, and further wonders whether it's running on the very same host that the php script is on |
| 13:56.50 | Symbi0nt | dazjorz: just getting the file and discard the output |
| 13:57.07 | abrotman | doesnt' discard .. sends it to - |
| 13:57.13 | Symbi0nt | it just needs to be called |
| 13:57.17 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: I'd add >/dev/null or rather -O /dev/null |
| 13:57.37 | Symbi0nt | I have no idea if these are parameters of wget or of cron ... :/ |
| 13:57.42 | dazjorz | jelly: probably, his host does not allow him to do cronjobs, so he runs a cronjob on a different machine to "emulate" cron |
| 13:57.48 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: they're parameters of the wget |
| 13:57.52 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: wget -O /dev/null |
| 13:58.01 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: so the output actually is thrown away, not printed to stdout |
| 13:58.10 | Symbi0nt | dazjorz: thanks for the tipp, but first I need the cron to run, then I'll come up with discarding unwanted stuff :> |
| 13:58.15 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: if you have a correctly configured cron and mail daemon, you will receive the output by mail |
| 13:58.21 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: which would be annoying if you had -O - |
| 13:58.23 | jelly | dazjorz: I've seen that idiom with our web hosting users |
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| 13:58.31 | Symbi0nt | ah |
| 13:58.36 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: i'd really put it in a script, and then you can do other stuff like say "touch /tmp/cronrun" in thescript to see if the script is being run |
| 13:58.53 | Symbi0nt | well I have a dedicated server but I think not set up any mail ... so no idea if that works :/ |
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| 13:59.06 | Symbi0nt | hmm k |
| 13:59.20 | dazjorz | arsen: is your IRC username "touch emo" ? |
| 13:59.23 | dazjorz | o_O |
| 13:59.33 | Symbi0nt | hha |
| 13:59.43 | arsen | whois.. |
| 13:59.44 | abrotman | touche mo |
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| 14:00.02 | dazjorz | arsen: no, it displays that when you join here |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | dazjorz: no .. if you do a whois, it will show you what it actually is |
| 14:00.27 | arsen | no, whois |
| 14:00.30 | arsen | . |
| 14:00.34 | dazjorz | oooh :P |
| 14:00.38 | dazjorz | I get it. |
| 14:00.42 | arsen | its touch my balls |
| 14:00.45 | rdz | hi all. i am running a debian system currently on a different host than where it was installed on and the network interface seems not the be recognized. it is a realtek rtl-8139. what is needed in order to make it work? |
| 14:00.46 | dazjorz | in french, yeah |
| 14:00.49 | arsen | with a poor french translation |
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| 14:00.53 | dazjorz | yeah :P |
| 14:00.58 | dazjorz | interesting |
| 14:01.00 | arsen | :> |
| 14:01.25 | abrotman | rdz: /msg dpkg z25 .. i think |
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| 14:03.30 | rdz | abrotman, thanks... but no other network device than 'lo' is visible.. could it still be a naming issue? |
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| 14:04.08 | dazjorz | rdz: have you tried ifconfig -a ? |
| 14:04.23 | Symbi0nt | is the "user" in crontab optional? |
| 14:04.39 | abrotman | rdz: look in the file, see what is defined |
| 14:04.50 | rdz | dazjorz, no, i haven't.... i didn't know that option.. many many thanks! |
| 14:04.51 | dazjorz | Symbi0nt: not in /etc/crontab |
| 14:04.55 | liable | ifconfig -a first |
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| 14:05.49 | abrotman | rdz: when you move an install to a new system, udev enumerates the network devices .. so eth0 is not eth0, udev calls it eth1 now .. or ethN depending how many places it's been |
| 14:06.14 | rdz | abrotman, ah, i understand now |
| 14:06.23 | abrotman | rdz: so what are the contents of that file ? |
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| 14:07.03 | liable | we should see his ifconfig -a outpur first |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | why not dmesg | grep eth .. it would show udev renaming it |
| 14:07.48 | liable | yep |
| 14:08.09 | rdz | abrotman, you mean /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? |
| 14:08.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:08.30 | liable | horse befor cart |
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| 14:08.46 | abrotman | cart still gets to market! |
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| 14:08.57 | liable | not without the horse |
| 14:09.02 | abrotman | it's downhill! |
| 14:09.07 | liable | hehe |
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| 14:09.41 | Malf | How do I prevent nvidiafb from loading during boot in testing? |
| 14:09.51 | Malf | I already have an entry in /etc/modules/blacklist |
| 14:09.53 | Malf | er |
| 14:09.57 | Malf | /etc/modprobe/blacklist |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | !tell Malf about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:10.28 | rdz | abrotman, it says, that 8239too (the module of the current networking card) is mapped to eth1. so everything makes a lot of sense and the card works. many thanks |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | if it's actually a module |
| 14:10.37 | Malf | ahh tahnks |
| 14:10.39 | Malf | thanks even |
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| 14:10.54 | abrotman | rdz: so you can either change it to eth0 there or change your interfaces file |
| 14:11.22 | rdz | abrotman, i see. i let it as it is, since plans are to put the harddrives back to the original machine |
| 14:11.33 | Malf | any particlar reason that doesn't happen automatically when you perform an update that has to redo the initramfs stuff? |
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| 14:12.52 | tapioco | please I need help setting up a caching nameserver with bind9 on lenny |
| 14:13.09 | jelly | Malf: it will work the next time you do an update |
| 14:13.43 | abrotman | tapioco: that's the default mode last i checked |
| 14:13.49 | Malf | jelly: I would expect so but I've had an entry in there for quite a while and it suddenly stopped worked as of my last update |
| 14:13.56 | jelly | Malf: oh, you said you already had it listed; then it's interesting |
| 14:14.14 | tapioco | abrotman: I need to forward dns query from a lan to a secured dns server |
| 14:14.21 | jelly | Malf: sounds like a regression! |
| 14:14.24 | Malf | jelly: oop nevermind. Looks like it's named blacklist.local now and used to just have to be blacklist |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | tapioco: maybe dnsmasq instead ? |
| 14:14.50 | Malf | although apparently some things, such as the pc speaker module, were kind enough to stay suppressed |
| 14:15.08 | jelly | Malf: file name doesn't really matter; but /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is usually managed by debian |
| 14:15.17 | tapioco | abrotman: please explain |
| 14:15.34 | abrotman | it's a package .. |
| 14:15.43 | Malf | *nod* |
| 14:15.46 | rdz | abrotman, this automatic renaming is particularly helpful, since i can leave eth0 configured with static ip, whereas when used in the other (current machine) those static settings can be left untouched |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | rdz: sometimes it's useful .. sometimes it's a pain |
| 14:16.12 | rdz | abrotman, i see.. |
| 14:17.07 | Malf | well we'll see if it works this time |
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| 14:18.55 | kombi | to log with wireshark: wireshark -i eth0 -w log.file <- right? not working.. |
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| 14:19.49 | liable | how is it not working? |
| 14:20.30 | kombi | liable: fair point..;) It keeps telling me "Gtk-warning **: Cannot open display |
| 14:20.44 | kombi | I have a cmd line only.. |
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| 14:20.51 | liable | kombi: so just start it from the menu |
| 14:21.00 | kombi | ^^^ |
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| 14:21.46 | liable | there is a cli version, i forget it atm. twireshark or something |
| 14:21.58 | asg | tshark |
| 14:22.29 | liable | !win asg |
| 14:22.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | oh, new siding for the house! |
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| 14:24.43 | Virtus | hey, I was wondering if anyone knows of a program that allows you to record your desktop, like games, applications or video and then directly stream it on the interwebzz ? |
| 14:24.54 | petemc | screen casting |
| 14:24.58 | Virtus | yeah? |
| 14:25.01 | Malf | yeah still not blacklisting nvidiafb for some reason |
| 14:25.08 | petemc | apt-cache search screen cast |
| 14:25.09 | abrotman | istanbul ? |
| 14:25.14 | jelly | !nofb |
| 14:25.14 | dpkg | Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer. |
| 14:25.19 | abrotman | oh stream it .. don't know |
| 14:25.34 | Virtus | petemc > thanks |
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| 14:25.44 | kakhuset-soren | Hello |
| 14:25.58 | jelly | Malf: is that the real goal you're trying to get to, getting rid of framebuffer completely? |
| 14:26.32 | kakhuset-soren | Can somebody help me? I need a sort of mail program so i can send a mail from my homepage, someone know how to do? |
| 14:26.36 | rdz | i just formatted a drive with fdisk in interactive mode and now i would like to create an ext3 file system in the first partition. when i do 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1', i get the following message: /dev/hdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! i am pretty sure, that it is not currently mounted, so how can i find out, what is blocking it? |
| 14:26.50 | Virtus | kakhuset-soren > du skal bruge et php eller lign formmail script |
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| 14:27.06 | Virtus | kakhuset-soren > prøv at kigge på http://html.dk |
| 14:27.10 | Malf | jelly: Essentially I just need to drop this module so the closed nvidia driver can load |
| 14:27.15 | kakhuset-soren | Virtus men skal det ikke installeres noget på min server? |
| 14:27.23 | petemc | rdz: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 14:27.24 | abrotman | kakhuset-soren: english |
| 14:27.39 | kakhuset-soren | abrotman is there no need to install something on the server? |
| 14:27.40 | petemc | rdz: or if that shows nothing, use lsof |
| 14:27.46 | Malf | though back when I first installed many years back I did use a framebuffer for a while |
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| 14:27.55 | Virtus | kakhuset-soren > no, you should not need to, its it a basicly install webserver? |
| 14:27.56 | abrotman | kakhuset-soren: you'll need a script of some sort to do it |
| 14:27.59 | Virtus | installed* |
| 14:28.15 | Malf | so there could very well be some old leftovers from that configuration giving me a conflict now |
| 14:28.18 | kakhuset-soren | abrotman do you know what script? |
| 14:28.40 | abrotman | depends on your server capability .. i'm sure google would help you out |
| 14:28.51 | rdz | petemc, i was thinking of using lsof, but i couldn't figure out the correct options. no matter what i try, the output is empty |
| 14:29.07 | rdz | petemc, /dev/hdb1 is not listed in /proc/mounts |
| 14:29.09 | kakhuset-soren | Virtus Can you help me find how to do it? i got a debian webserver + apache and php |
| 14:29.14 | jelly | rdz: lsof -n |grep hdb, as root |
| 14:29.36 | rdz | jelly, thanks. no output from that command |
| 14:29.49 | jelly | rdz: do it without grep to confirm it works |
| 14:29.55 | kakhuset-soren | I had tried google, bu ti cant get any answers :( |
| 14:29.59 | jelly | no need to paste that output though |
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| 14:30.23 | rdz | jelly, hehe.. yeah, there is a lot of output without grepping it for hdb |
| 14:30.43 | jelly | rdz: not mentioned in /proc/swaps either? |
| 14:30.45 | rvsjoen | lsof wont show you the hard drive name, only the mount point |
| 14:31.07 | rdz | jelly, there is only /dev/hda2, which is correct |
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| 14:31.37 | rdz | rvsjoen, i see.. but i didn't actively mount it somewhere and 'umount -a' doesn't change my problem. |
| 14:31.46 | kakhuset-soren | abrotman i have tryed google, but cant get any answer |
| 14:31.52 | rdz | rvsjoen, also, it doesn't not appear in /proc/mounts |
| 14:31.55 | abrotman | google "php mail script" |
| 14:32.58 | kakhuset-soren | abrotman thx |
| 14:33.05 | rvsjoen | rdz: what about /etc/mtab |
| 14:33.14 | Holborn | What is the correct way to report a bug that involves various experimental debian packages? |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | various? |
| 14:33.35 | abrotman | like kde4? |
| 14:34.11 | Holborn | abrotman: no .. is glibc libgtk jack* any jack app wants to start with the new glibc ( libc6) |
| 14:34.13 | rdz | rvsjoen, thanks, but not even there |
| 14:34.32 | Holborn | abrotman: any gtk app .. qt works fine |
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| 14:34.35 | abrotman | Holborn: paste the actual error in a pastebin |
| 14:34.47 | abrotman | Holborn: you'r eon etch using experimental packages ? |
| 14:35.08 | rdz | rvsjoen, i probably need to add, that on this drive, there is nothing than one partition, which was created some minutes ago. even after rebooting, i cannot create a filesystem on it |
| 14:35.28 | Holborn | abrotman: on sid .. the error is can not connect to jackd server ... |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | so setup the jackd server |
| 14:35.50 | rdz | rvsjoen, the strange thing is: it is the exact same drive model as hda and i also created a new partition on hda, where i could create a file system without any problems |
| 14:35.55 | abrotman | i'm not even sure i'd file bugs on experimental packages .. they're kind of expected to be broken |
| 14:36.37 | Holborn | abrotman: all runs fine with sid libc6 or previous experimental libc6 ... and only jack gtk based apps has the problem ... and I dont know where is the problem exactly ... |
| 14:36.49 | liable | file it sure, certainly dont expect help here.. |
| 14:37.25 | kombi | liable: I don't have one... (menu that is), cmd line box only |
| 14:37.33 | Holborn | I only ask for the correct way to report :) |
| 14:37.43 | liable | kombi: ash mentioned tshark |
| 14:37.59 | liable | kombi: err, asg.. |
| 14:38.06 | kombi | sorry, missed that.. |
| 14:38.08 | valdyn | Holborn: you are mixing packages with the "wrong" libc6 without recompiling them? |
| 14:38.19 | rvsjoen | rdz : what does fisk -l /dev/hdb tell you ? |
| 14:38.25 | rvsjoen | s/fisk/fdisk |
| 14:38.44 | Holborn | valdyn: even if recompile packages with the new libc6 ... the problem still .. |
| 14:39.10 | valdyn | Holborn: linked against the wrong libc6 your bug report is useless |
| 14:39.15 | rdz | rvsjoen, /dev/hdb1 1 30401 244196001 8e Linux LVM |
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| 14:39.42 | rdz | rvsjoen, actually exactly, what i did.. actually i want to make it part of an lvm file system |
| 14:40.12 | idimmu | is there an archive repository for sarge? |
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| 14:40.25 | abrotman | idimmu: archive.debian.org |
| 14:40.26 | rvsjoen | dont you have to use the lvm tools for that ? pvXXXX, vgXXXX and lvXXXX tools |
| 14:40.30 | idimmu | thanks babe |
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| 14:41.08 | liable | Holborn: if you use experimental at all, dont expect *any* help here. Its meant for developers, you dont appear to fit that bill |
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| 14:43.26 | Holborn | liable: I dont want help about the problem .. I can solve .. I can only advise to the maintainers .. I ask in jack comunity and other distros using glibc > than debian experimental and dont has the same problem ... then ..maybe is a debian issue .. |
| 14:43.43 | abrotman | didn't you just say you didn't know what was going on ? |
| 14:43.54 | liable | Holborn: so why mention it here at all? file a bug |
| 14:44.20 | abrotman | liable: he said he didn't know how to file a bug on experimental packages |
| 14:44.22 | Holborn | I only want to know if they are a way to report experimental bugs .. because I in some place say dont report bugs about experimental packages .. |
| 14:44.58 | liable | reportbug doesnt work for experimental packages? |
| 14:45.34 | _buffer | is it recommed to use the current lenny as dom0? |
| 14:45.36 | liable | abrotman: and thats our problem how? |
| 14:45.43 | abrotman | i didn't say it was |
| 14:46.00 | Holborn | well dont worry :) |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | i already said i wouldn't bother filing a bug on experimental packages |
| 14:46.18 | liable | why not? |
| 14:46.36 | liable | of course the maintainer needs to know if its broken |
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| 14:49.27 | jerojasro | hi all. I just found an ~/.m2 folder, which has almost 40MB in size |
| 14:49.34 | jerojasro | what did create it? |
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| 14:49.46 | abrotman | whta's in it? |
| 14:49.49 | jerojasro | what program? it looks like java package info |
| 14:50.23 | jerojasro | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/110719/ |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | jerojasro: looks like opera perhaps |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | okay .. maybe not |
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| 14:50.50 | jerojasro | that's a headless machine, ... |
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| 14:51.08 | liable | wtf is wrong with browser devs that they need to use MB of space |
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| 14:51.43 | abrotman | liable: it's not .. i was wrong |
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| 14:51.50 | liable | abrotman: not surprising |
| 14:51.54 | liable | runs |
| 14:51.57 | JyZyXEL | whats the best way to securely delete stuff? |
| 14:52.00 | abrotman | liable: go hug a sheep |
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| 14:52.13 | abrotman | it looks like an entire java webplication thingie |
| 14:52.34 | mitc0185 | I was ssh'd into a machine, and running a process. My connection was broken. I ssh'd back in, and I see that the process is still alive -- how do I nab it and bring it to the foreground for my new session? |
| 14:52.35 | FilipeMaia | Is there any debian kernel with ib_sdp? |
| 14:52.37 | liable | abrotman: you need to get a better reply to my jokes. the sheep thing is old |
| 14:53.00 | abrotman | liable: just because you don't think it's funny doesn't mean everyone else doesn't :) |
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| 14:53.11 | SerajewelKS | JyZyXEL: if you're on a journalling ext3 filesystem, you don't |
| 14:53.19 | SerajewelKS | JyZyXEL: otherwise, look at the shred utility |
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| 14:53.33 | liable | abrotman: no. its just not funny :P |
| 14:53.39 | JyZyXEL | SerajewelKS why? |
| 14:53.46 | SerajewelKS | JyZyXEL: because it's not possibly |
| 14:53.48 | mwarning | hi, I have debian AMD64 |
| 14:53.48 | SerajewelKS | possible* |
| 14:53.48 | mwarning | $ gcc -o hello hello.c -m64 |
| 14:53.48 | mwarning | hello.c:1: sorry, unimplemented: 64-bit mode not compiled in |
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| 14:53.55 | abrotman | liable: says you .. but you don't count |
| 14:53.55 | JyZyXEL | SerajewelKS why? |
| 14:53.59 | SerajewelKS | JyZyXEL: i have to go to class, i can't explain it right now. check google. |
| 14:54.06 | mwarning | can anyone tell me why I have a 32bit gcc installed? |
| 14:54.18 | abrotman | mwarning: dpkg-architecture .. what does the first line say? |
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| 14:54.40 | mwarning | abrotman, DEB_BUILD_ARCH=amd64 |
| 14:55.23 | mwarning | I've expected to have a 64bit gcc; is there smth. I have to do to get it? |
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| 14:55.38 | abrotman | mwarning: if you leave off thte -m64 and just compile it, and then use `file hello` .. what does it say ? |
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| 14:56.04 | mwarning | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/QfDLaQ69.html |
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| 14:56.15 | mwarning | that's why I tried -m64 at all |
| 14:56.21 | rdz | rvsjoen, i found a device '/dev/mapper/hdb1'. but i don't know, where it comes from.. i had a lvm setup before and one of the disks crashed, that is why i would like to set up a new one. could it be, that the lvm configuration is the cause of the troubles? |
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| 14:56.51 | abrotman | mwarning: that'snot happy |
| 14:57.15 | RoyK | hi all. I have server A exporting a directory on NFS and server B mounting this. Is it possible to setup disk quota for this, without setting a quota on the whole filesystem on which that dir is located on server A? |
| 14:57.17 | abrotman | mwarning: aptitude install build-essential .. does what ? |
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| 14:57.32 | petemc | rdz: does pvs show it as a pv ? |
| 14:57.57 | mwarning | abrotman, yes, I'm confused and looking for help. :) |
| 14:57.58 | mwarning | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 14:57.58 | mwarning | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 45 not upgraded. |
| 14:58.00 | mwarning | ^ |
| 14:58.14 | abrotman | mwarning: which gcc returns ? |
| 14:58.23 | rdz | petemc, no |
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| 14:58.47 | mwarning | abrotman, /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 14:59.06 | rdz | petemc, do you have an idea, where /dev/mapper/hdb1 comes from (if this is related to my problem at all )? |
| 14:59.15 | mwarning | /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.3 |
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| 14:59.57 | abrotman | mwarning: gcc -dumpmachine |
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| 15:00.23 | mwarning | I have a pretty new install. (from netinst cd) |
| 15:00.31 | petemc | rdz: as you seem to know, its a lvm thing, as it relates to your problem, no idea |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | mwarning: well i'm confused .. |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | mwarning: you could try to understand -dumpspecs .. but that's a lot of stuff |
| 15:01.09 | mwarning | abrotman, me too. :( |
| 15:02.01 | abrotman | mwarning: can you put hello.c in a psastebin ? |
| 15:02.03 | mwarning | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/bljCzx97.html |
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| 15:02.26 | mwarning | #include<stdio.h> |
| 15:02.26 | mwarning | main() { printf("Hello World"); } |
| 15:02.30 | mwarning | ^ hello.c |
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| 15:03.02 | FilipeMaia | Is there any debian kernel with ib_sdp? |
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| 15:03.12 | abrotman | nope .. compiles here |
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| 15:03.56 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: you can search at packages.debian.org probably |
| 15:04.36 | mwarning | well, the same result for an empty main with no includes |
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| 15:05.44 | mwarning | I have gcc-4.3-multilib installed. Maybe that's the reason? |
| 15:06.11 | FilipeMaia | abrotman, by searching for ib_sdp.ko? |
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| 15:14.41 | stoned | I just recieved an email from control |
| 15:14.58 | stoned | I'm not sure why I got it, i was copied on it with like 20 other people |
| 15:15.06 | stoned | wtf |
| 15:15.09 | Heavy-D | hey all, how do I get syslogd to receive remote messages (be a network syslog server)? or does it do that by default? |
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| 15:16.11 | stoned | oh, I think all the new people are copied to it |
| 15:16.28 | stoned | wnpp maintainance |
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| 15:18.05 | stoned | Forcibly Merged 197196 473396 511924. |
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| 15:19.49 | asg | Heavy-D: /etc/default/syslogd |
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| 15:21.12 | Heavy-D | asg: Thanks, wasn't sure what the file was called now. |
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| 15:22.09 | bisan11 | Hi all, i have a harddrive /dev/sda2 mountet to /mnt! But i want to unmount it and moun it to /var/www so the diskspace is available for the Website there ;-) How can i do that |
| 15:22.51 | stoned | bisan11, umount -l /dev/sda2; mount /dev/sda2 /var/www |
| 15:22.51 | stoned | bisan11, man mount |
| 15:22.56 | stoned | oh and man umount too doh |
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| 15:23.27 | stoned | if they don't default to ext3, you'll have to specify the filesystem type flag, -t |
| 15:23.56 | stoned | bisan11, you can also bind mount it from where it is to /var/www |
| 15:24.15 | stoned | bisan11, that way you can keep it bound to /mnt but access from /var/www |
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| 15:24.33 | stoned | mounted to* |
| 15:24.45 | stoned | does that make sense |
| 15:24.54 | mwarning | abrotman, found the problem, some mixed up entry in PATH. Thanks for your help. |
| 15:24.55 | bisan11 | okay i jsut wanted to unmount it with umount /dev/sda2, but i get "device is busy" ... |
| 15:25.22 | stoned | bisan11, so stop using the device or do what I said, pay more attention to what you read, my patience is running thin., |
| 15:25.24 | stew | bisan11: "fuser -m /mnt" will list the processes using it, you'd need to kill thouse before you can umount it |
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| 15:26.03 | JyZyXEL | what is it called when you delete files in a way they cannot be recovered? |
| 15:26.56 | stoned | JyZyXEL, irrecoverablely deteled files? |
| 15:26.57 | stoned | :D |
| 15:27.00 | FilipeMaia | I'm getting 250MB/s sequencial read performance from my raid6 areca raid card. What can I do to improve performance? |
| 15:27.15 | JyZyXEL | what would they use in apt |
| 15:27.23 | JyZyXEL | or dpkg description |
| 15:27.33 | JyZyXEL | whatever its called |
| 15:27.35 | bisan11 | oh i got the error, i was sitll in the /mnt dir |
| 15:27.38 | bisan11 | thanks anyway |
| 15:27.42 | stoned | JyZyXEL, what are you trying to do? wipe a disk? |
| 15:27.54 | JyZyXEL | not disk, files |
| 15:28.03 | FilipeMaia | My mistake, sorry to disturb |
| 15:28.06 | stoned | JyZyXEL, shred files? usually the gov. standard is to write empty space on a drive filled with 0, 7 passes |
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| 15:28.57 | JyZyXEL | that will destrou eveyrtihng |
| 15:29.13 | JyZyXEL | i just wanna delete something |
| 15:29.43 | stoned | !+info zerofree |
| 15:29.44 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 15:29.50 | jelly | JyZyXEL: which filesystem? |
| 15:29.52 | JyZyXEL | !zerofree |
| 15:29.54 | JyZyXEL | ext3 |
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| 15:30.11 | stoned | so just delete the file syou want to delete, and wipe the freespace on the drive |
| 15:30.13 | jelly | JyZyXEL: you were already answered, it can't be done safely on an ext3 |
| 15:30.17 | dpkg | zerofree: (zero free blocks from ext2/3 file-systems), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 15:30.26 | stoned | btw, when you delee off of ext3 the inode is not zeroed out, it is blanked out |
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| 15:30.54 | stoned | ext2 doesn't have a journal and only zeros out the inode, which can be recoverd, but if it is blanked out you can't get it back |
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| 15:30.59 | JyZyXEL | im sure someone has written something for this |
| 15:31.06 | themill | jelly: depends on your mount options according to man 1 shred. |
| 15:31.19 | themill | JyZyXEL: it's not always possible due to the way modern filesystems work. |
| 15:31.25 | stoned | unused vs. zeroed out |
| 15:31.34 | stoned | if you want to be able to undelete, ext3 is fine |
| 15:31.47 | stoned | but, the raw data still exits, I can only think of zerofree for you |
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| 15:32.03 | JyZyXEL | it zeroes the free space? |
| 15:32.20 | JyZyXEL | that would be awesome |
| 15:32.25 | stoned | thats what it does.. |
| 15:32.36 | JyZyXEL | apt-cache search zerofree | wc -l |
| 15:32.37 | JyZyXEL | 0 |
| 15:32.49 | stoned | judd versions zerofree |
| 15:32.49 | judd | stoned: zerofree -- lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-1 |
| 15:32.54 | stoned | not in etch |
| 15:32.57 | themill | JyZyXEL: that's what stoned told you 5 minutes ago and you said you didn't want it. |
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| 15:33.16 | stoned | themill, its ok, he probably misunderstood me or I wasn't clear enough |
| 15:33.26 | JyZyXEL | themill what are you talkin about |
| 15:33.29 | JyZyXEL | i said no such thing |
| 15:33.37 | stoned | JyZyXEL, don't worrya bout it concentrate on getting support |
| 15:33.46 | stoned | go tryout zerofree |
| 15:33.50 | stoned | read the docs |
| 15:33.50 | JyZyXEL | yes i will |
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| 15:38.07 | stoned | the future is now! |
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| 15:40.14 | eurythmia | I think the future is later. |
| 15:40.21 | d-b | now? |
| 15:40.35 | d-b | no really... |
| 15:40.53 | stoned | its a figure of speech |
| 15:41.03 | stoned | it means that our actions now determine the future for the rest |
| 15:41.09 | stoned | the future, literally, is now. |
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| 15:41.15 | alex___ | wait |
| 15:41.16 | alex___ | now |
| 15:41.19 | eurythmia | Speaking of which ... I'm using kde 3.5.9, and I went to change my desktop background (it's been about a year), but when I'm done in kcontrol, and I apply, and then "refresh my desktop," the old background is the one that shoes up. Any ideas? |
| 15:41.38 | stoned | eurythmia, perhaps a stale config file |
| 15:41.44 | stoned | eurythmia, join #kde im there already |
| 15:41.46 | eurythmia | stoned, no, the present is now, the future is literally the next (smallest possible time unit). |
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| 15:41.55 | eurythmia | stoned, okay, thanks. |
| 15:41.58 | stoned | np |
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| 15:42.24 | eurythmia | stoned, should I copy/paste the question there, or just chill out? ;) |
| 15:42.36 | stoned | ask there as well |
| 15:42.39 | themill | eurythmia: you shouldn't even need to say "refresh". Selecting a different desktop and then saying "apply" in kcontrol should be enough |
| 15:42.40 | eurythmia | kk. |
| 15:43.01 | stoned | it used to happen tome on kde3.5 in one of the earlier revisions |
| 15:43.04 | eurythmia | themill, it's always worked as you deescribed ... until now :/ |
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| 15:43.15 | stoned | I could select a desktop, apply it, do soemthign els eand the old bg comes back |
| 15:43.24 | stoned | I've been through this, I'm trying to think of what I did |
| 15:43.35 | nox-Hand | Hey thar! |
| 15:43.36 | stoned | I think I asked in #kde and they told me to mv one config file somewhere else and try again |
| 15:44.09 | nox-Hand | Anyone have any idea whether there is a guide out there for setting your Debian system to automatically connect to a SPECIFIC wireless at bootup, before X? |
| 15:44.09 | eurythmia | hopefully someone who's run into this before is hanging out there. |
| 15:44.19 | themill | eurythmia: does "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" help? |
| 15:44.33 | OldMonk | nox-Hand: /etc/network.interfaces; man interfaces |
| 15:44.47 | OldMonk | er, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:45.12 | themill | nox-Hand: man 5 interfaces ; man 7 wireless ; put the appropriate wireless commands into /etc/network/interfaces as described in man 7 wireless. |
| 15:45.21 | stoned | inside /home/stoned/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc, mv it to somewhere else temporarily |
| 15:45.22 | OldMonk | nox-Hand: you can set wifi options (including essid and channel) there |
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| 15:45.32 | stoned | er.. |
| 15:45.38 | eurythmia | themill, unfortunately, no. |
| 15:45.43 | wfq | hi guys |
| 15:45.55 | stoned | eurythmia, ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc, mv it to somewhere else temporarily, try again |
| 15:46.02 | nox-Hand | OldMonk: themill Excellent! Thankyou :] |
| 15:46.07 | nox-Hand | "*bookmarks*" |
| 15:46.10 | eurythmia | stoned, trying that. |
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| 15:46.25 | stoned | eurythmia, or open that file in a text editor, go to kconfig, change the background, apply, refresh the file |
| 15:46.37 | wfq | how could I change the sender user in Exim4 so that it is not root or www-data who appears in the email? I have use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config but I can not see any option to do that |
| 15:46.51 | wfq | did anyone do it ever? |
| 15:46.52 | stoned | Wallpaper[$e]=/path/to/image.jpg |
| 15:46.53 | eurythmia | stoned, well, moving it worked. |
| 15:46.56 | petemc | wfq: /etc/email-addresses |
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| 15:47.09 | eurythmia | stoned, I'll have to remember that. |
| 15:47.10 | stoned | eurythmia, thats a workaround |
| 15:47.19 | wfq | patemc, thanks, checking |
| 15:47.23 | stoned | you can mnually change the Wallpaper entry |
| 15:47.23 | petemc | np |
| 15:47.28 | stoned | I smell bananas |
| 15:47.29 | stoned | wtf |
| 15:47.33 | eurythmia | stoned, yeah. Do we know what the actual problem is? |
| 15:47.37 | stoned | oh no I don't yet |
| 15:47.40 | stoned | ask in #kde |
| 15:47.46 | eurythmia | okay. |
| 15:47.48 | stoned | I forgot what they told me years ago |
| 15:47.50 | stoned | <-- |
| 15:48.04 | abrotman | enter ? |
| 15:48.09 | stoned | sorry! |
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| 15:48.56 | petemc | ==> /var/log/syslog <== |
| 15:49.06 | eurythmia | petemc, ? |
| 15:49.23 | petemc | misfire |
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| 15:49.59 | eurythmia | ah. |
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| 16:03.07 | elik | I'm having connection issues after using azureus (vuze).. after 5-10 minutes, my connection will just crash, and pings won't go through |
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| 16:06.30 | jelly | elik: wireless? |
| 16:06.44 | elik | jelly, yes |
| 16:07.25 | jelly | elik: some routers can't keep up with a large number of established connections; I think it's an Azureus FAQ |
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| 16:07.51 | elik | jelly, hum, my laptop, right next to my desktop doesn't lose its connection |
| 16:08.14 | jelly | elik: and it's connected via wireless as well? |
| 16:08.18 | elik | jelly, yes sir |
| 16:09.10 | jelly | elik: even if you run the torrent client on it? |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | elik: which wifi driver? |
| 16:09.26 | elik | jelly, the azureus answer is "latest java vm, latest azureus version, latest drivers, latest etc..." but going down that way... beh |
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| 16:09.32 | elik | jelly, didn't try that |
| 16:09.51 | elik | abrotman, P5W DH Deluxe on board, a realtek I think |
| 16:09.52 | elik | lemme see |
| 16:10.00 | jelly | elik: I'd say "go wired" but that would be cheeky |
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| 16:10.10 | abrotman | wtf is p5w ? |
| 16:10.19 | abrotman | i just wanted to know which wifi driver |
| 16:10.19 | elik | jelly, motherboard |
| 16:10.37 | jelly | doesn't answer the question though |
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| 16:10.45 | elik | abrotman, I did say lemme see |
| 16:11.27 | jelly | !seen jeannie |
| 16:11.27 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'jeannie', jelly |
| 16:11.30 | jelly | !seen jeanny |
| 16:11.30 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'jeanny', jelly |
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| 16:12.19 | elik | abrotman, rtl8187 |
| 16:12.24 | abrotman | jelly: 867-5309 ? |
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| 16:12.56 | jelly | abrotman: no, but she may have lost my number |
| 16:13.19 | elik | jelly, I'd love to be wired.. but I don't think my landlord would like me piercing through walls |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | elik: do you have physical access to the router? |
| 16:14.19 | abrotman | elik: so you could try it for 10 minutes or so ? |
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| 16:14.29 | elik | abrotman, this module seems to be relying on quite a few things too.. mac80211 |
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| 16:14.33 | elik | abrotman, no :( |
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| 16:14.54 | elik | abrotman, not right here, right now at least |
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| 16:15.03 | bmoll8 | I was wondering if using nfs over a vpn can be made to be just as fast as using nfs in a private network |
| 16:15.06 | elik | abrotman, I can try on my laptop though |
| 16:15.10 | abrotman | you could use NAT/ipmasq on the workstation ? |
| 16:15.30 | elik | abrotman, yeah, I installed debian on my desktop like that |
| 16:15.40 | elik | I'll see if it throws off my laptop connection first |
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| 16:17.19 | jelly | bmoll8: sure it could, assuming your vpn works decently |
| 16:17.31 | elik | abrotman, the weird thing is that a restart will fix it... I tried disconnecting and reconnecting to network.. but network manager just crashed.. didn't try from command line though |
| 16:17.34 | OldMonk | is there some technology that will allow me to build a vpn between two machines separated by a firewall? |
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| 16:17.50 | OldMonk | i don't have any control over the firewall btw, and something besides ssh |
| 16:18.07 | abrotman | elik: is your network driver being unloaded when it crashes? |
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| 16:18.23 | elik | abrotman, started it again.. tell you in 5 mins |
| 16:18.25 | bmoll8 | jelly: is it secure; I have not heard of many people using nfs over vpn--just curious |
| 16:18.44 | bmoll8 | jelly: however, if it is secure, I would love to implement |
| 16:18.52 | elik | abrotman, what logs should I check for that? |
| 16:18.55 | themill | OldMonk: you can do ppp over ssh. It all comes down to what you can get through the firewall with. |
| 16:18.57 | abrotman | elik: lsmod |
| 16:19.28 | elik | abrotman, yeah, just took a snapshot of it.. but I mean, it crashed in the past.. I'd think crashing kernel modules would be logged |
| 16:19.33 | jelly | bmoll8: I don't get the security question; it'd be as secure as your vpn, except maybe the something could be inferred from the timings\ |
| 16:19.40 | OldMonk | themill: i can get out on any port, but can't get in, so need a vpn that will permit a one'way connect |
| 16:20.01 | jelly | bmoll8: I regularly mount nfs and samba shares from work via vpn |
| 16:20.27 | OldMonk | i know about ssh, but i don't wat to have an ssh session running all the time, and it needs to be automated so will have to store sensitive information on one machine if using ssh |
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| 16:20.35 | bmoll8 | jelly: thanks for the heads up--but what do you mean by "something could be inferred from the timings" |
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| 16:20.45 | abrotman | elik: my wifi driver really dislikes having the SSID changed after it's been started .. if i do that, and then try to connect to a new network, the driver crashes |
| 16:21.08 | elik | abrotman, ok |
| 16:21.22 | abrotman | or driver unloads .. whatever it is |
| 16:21.30 | jelly | bmoll8: a third party listening to your data can figure out you're using something like nfs (but not the contents) |
| 16:21.31 | bmoll8 | jelly: i suppose one concern would be how much encryption would slow down data transfers, versus say using nfs in a home network without encryption |
| 16:21.54 | bmoll8 | jelly: I read on google that with modern hardware, the slow-down is negligible |
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| 16:22.29 | jelly | bmoll8: I can't even begin to guess what the bottleneck is going to be without knowing more about your setup |
| 16:22.41 | elik | abrotman, so the only diff from before/after connection crashing is ipv6, used went from 168 to 171... |
| 16:23.04 | abrotman | okay, just thought i'd check |
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| 16:23.28 | elik | abrotman, does that even mean something??? |
| 16:24.06 | jelly | OldMonk: you'd need to use some sort of NAT traversing workaround, and that usually involves having a third help machine |
| 16:24.38 | hoxu | Are there any good tutorials on encrypting /tmp? |
| 16:24.42 | jelly | OldMonk: perhaps the (non-free, binary only) hamachi can do that |
| 16:24.52 | OldMonk | well, there's that weird-ass nat-breaker app which uses udp, but it looks too much like a hack to try it |
| 16:25.00 | bmoll8 | jelly: I will just try it out; need to learn how to set up a vpn anyways |
| 16:25.05 | OldMonk | jelly: nah, non-free's not my cup of tea :) |
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| 16:25.46 | elik | abrotman, pinging the machine only leads to host unreachable... |
| 16:25.54 | elik | abrotman, anything I could check before restarting? |
| 16:27.19 | OldMonk | nat-traverse |
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| 16:32.56 | jelly | OldMonk: now you just need to make openvpn work with what nat-traverse gives it! |
| 16:33.09 | jelly | or $vpn_of_choice |
| 16:33.18 | OldMonk | jelly: like i said, seems like too much of a hack :) |
| 16:34.00 | keith4 | can anyone familiar with the workings of apt-cacher point me in the right direction to figure out why the report shows 0MB of traffic, but 3800+ requests? |
| 16:34.09 | abrotman | elik: your route ? |
| 16:34.13 | abrotman | elik: your IPs ? |
| 16:35.11 | jelly | OldMonk: make a big shiny wrapper around it, throw a couple of per-pay negotiating servers and call it Hamachi |
| 16:35.22 | stoned | foil. |
| 16:35.29 | OldMonk | jelly: heh |
| 16:35.40 | jelly | sorry, LogMeIn |
| 16:35.50 | OldMonk | looks at hamachi |
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| 16:36.44 | OldMonk | jelly: yes, that sure looks like it |
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| 16:39.53 | stoned | isn't hamachi like barbq in japanse? |
| 16:40.03 | elik | abrotman, my laptop seems to handle azureus much better.. 111 megs down and still going |
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| 16:40.22 | stoned | az? why do you use az? are you running a tracker, even then its garbage |
| 16:40.38 | stoned | librottent based rrottent or deluge-rottent |
| 16:40.43 | jelly | because it has a cool GTK UI! |
| 16:40.45 | stoned | oh jeez, rottent/rottent |
| 16:40.45 | x1250 | how can I unistall gnome completely? there are some libraries I can remove, dpkg knows it, but I don't know the factoid |
| 16:40.46 | stoned | er..a |
| 16:40.47 | stoned | dvalskdjf;alskdjf |
| 16:40.49 | stoned | torrent* |
| 16:41.23 | stoned | x1250, /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 16:41.32 | x1250 | stoned, thanks |
| 16:41.52 | stoned | x1250, /msg dpkg dpkgbot, /msg dpkg dpkg.web.search, /msg dpkg listkeys, /msg dpkg listvals |
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| 16:42.58 | stoned | hehe I typed rottent lol |
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| 16:43.03 | stoned | man my fingers are all jittery |
| 16:43.12 | elik | abrotman, modprobe -r rtl8187; modprobe rtl8187 |
| 16:43.24 | elik | abrotman, thtat.. "solved" the issue |
| 16:43.39 | elik | stoned, I take it you mean rtorrent |
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| 16:44.05 | stoned | I think so |
| 16:44.06 | stoned | :) |
| 16:45.55 | jelly | stoned's brain's rottent |
| 16:46.43 | hudu | How do I share my printer? I am reading http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting ... I thought it would be a matter of changing something in my smb.conf or cupsd.conf, but I'm not figuring it out. |
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| 16:47.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:47.45 | hudu | I have an XP laptop connected to my Debian tower ... the debian has a functioning printer ... I print from the Debian tower w/o any trouble ... but from my XP laptop, the printer does not appear to be shared. |
| 16:47.53 | keith4 | hudu: "share" it? via cups? |
| 16:47.58 | keith4 | oh |
| 16:48.00 | keith4 | samba |
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| 16:48.35 | keith4 | hudu: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+samba+share+printer ;-) |
| 16:48.48 | hudu | keith4: thanks, I'll look at that :-) |
| 16:49.06 | always | apt-get install samba smbfs smbclient cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-* cupsys-driver-* -y |
| 16:49.25 | Eulex | keith4, ahaha, love it :D |
| 16:49.28 | always | smb://yourIP/printer |
| 16:49.39 | keith4 | the article on debian-administration.org has "Part 1: The Nightmare". sounds good!@ |
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| 16:50.15 | always | configure cupsys for printer for linux via IPP ipp://localhost:631/ipp/Printer and configure samba for windows users search via smb |
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| 16:50.26 | always | /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 16:52.00 | hudu | always: thanks, I'll look at that, also. Sometimes it's difficult to figure out which paths will get me there. I've been googling and not finding it. Maybe these bits of advice will get me there. |
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| 16:52.26 | checco | ciao |
| 16:52.29 | checco | !List |
| 16:52.29 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to checco |
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| 16:54.21 | abrotman | elik: that's not good |
| 16:55.50 | elik | abrotman, sure as hell is annoying |
| 16:56.06 | elik | abrotman, any way I could start the driver with a more verbose output? |
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| 16:56.21 | Brack101 | Hi |
| 16:56.27 | abrotman | elik: not that i'm aware of |
| 16:56.27 | elik | abrotman, looking up rtl8187 module page on sourceforge... but now much about that |
| 16:56.49 | OldMonk | elik: modinfo rtl8187 and see if there's a debug parameter |
| 16:57.05 | Brack101 | I'm trying to use mocp as an init.d script to start playing music when my computer starts up. Normally when you launch mocp you can quit out of the GUI and it will run in the background, then start "mocp" to get the GUI back. When I try and run mocp to interact with the process launched by init.d, however it's launching a whole new process alltogether, even if I run it as root. How can i logon to my computer in such a way that I can interact w |
| 16:57.44 | elik | OldMonk, not a single parm... |
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| 16:57.59 | OldMonk | elik: bad luck then |
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| 16:58.08 | elik | OldMonk, that's what I thought :P |
| 16:58.29 | elik | abrotman, any chance using another client would solve the issue? |
| 16:58.40 | abrotman | elik: anything is possible .. |
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| 16:59.04 | elik | abrotman, I'll experiment I guess... this rtorrent stoned was talking about sounded interesting |
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| 16:59.27 | abrotman | elik: many people like it .. |
| 16:59.41 | abrotman | elik: if you're just doing basic stuff, transmission is decent also |
| 16:59.47 | elik | abrotman, yeah.. the fact that it can be attached to a screen session makes it very interesting too |
| 16:59.55 | abrotman | (i don't use it for much, so i can't comment on advanced features) |
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| 17:00.03 | elik | abrotman, I'd like that to be on a centralized server at some point |
| 17:00.17 | stoned | I stopped using anything but torrents like last year |
| 17:00.23 | elik | abrotman, I'm not a torrent freak either |
| 17:00.34 | elik | I'll give it a try |
| 17:00.39 | elik | thx abrotman |
| 17:00.45 | elik | !abrotman++ |
| 17:00.57 | stoned | took like only uhm 1.5 weeks to get entire Frasier TV series |
| 17:01.00 | elik | stoned, thx for the tip, the cli torrent shall be cool to learn |
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| 17:01.16 | stoned | and seinfeld took less than a week, just click a torrent and forget about for a while |
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| 17:01.29 | hellues | hey |
| 17:01.33 | stoned | PBS documentaries, the elegant universe, stephen hawking stuff, national geographic |
| 17:01.39 | stoned | I mean the possibilities are endless |
| 17:01.48 | OldMonk | ...pr0n... |
| 17:01.50 | stoned | the one on string theory kicks ass |
| 17:01.58 | elik | stoned, for the transition.. can I transfer my torrents? |
| 17:01.58 | OldMonk | ...more pr0n... |
| 17:02.00 | stoned | OldMonk, every once in a while |
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| 17:02.11 | OldMonk | g-string theory too |
| 17:02.17 | elik | stoned, or should I wait for my torrents to be over? |
| 17:02.21 | hellues | fsck.reiserfs -fix--fixable /dev/sda1 |
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| 17:02.24 | stoned | shakes his head *aaahh boy* |
| 17:02.32 | hellues | my root partition is reiserfs |
| 17:02.38 | stoned | elik, you can transfer torrent sin the middle |
| 17:02.41 | hellues | but this command does not wor |
| 17:02.43 | morfol | hey, is there any tool to broadcast ssh commands? |
| 17:02.51 | hellues | how can i chekc my reiserfs partition |
| 17:02.54 | OldMonk | huh? |
| 17:02.55 | abrotman | broadcast to what ? |
| 17:02.59 | stoned | elik, move the half finished file wherever you want |
| 17:03.07 | morfol | multiple servers ;) |
| 17:03.13 | hellues | hey |
| 17:03.20 | abrotman | morfol: need more info |
| 17:03.25 | hellues | what is the difference between ext3 and ext4 |
| 17:03.25 | stoned | elik, and then start any torrent client, configure to save in that spot, and it will auto resume when you give it the SAME .torrent file |
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| 17:03.30 | stoned | it will pick up from where it left off |
| 17:03.39 | elik | stoned, cool |
| 17:03.40 | abrotman | hellues: there is documentation on that in the kernel docs .. go google something |
| 17:03.43 | hellues | how can i pass ext4 from ext3 |
| 17:04.02 | giwe | What is the recommended way to downgrade just the kernel image and header from lenny to etch? |
| 17:04.02 | hellues | abrotman, for reiserfs |
| 17:04.16 | abrotman | giwe: really shouldn't |
| 17:04.31 | morfol | well i want to send a command like apt-get upgrade to multiple deb servers |
| 17:04.48 | giwe | abrotman: I've got some instability issues with lenny kernel. |
| 17:04.49 | stew | morfol: have a look at dsh and clusterssh |
| 17:04.57 | morfol | thanks |
| 17:05.13 | OldMonk | morfol: looks like you need a config management tool like puppet or cfengine |
| 17:05.15 | stew | hellues: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 17:05.32 | themill | morfol: or look at cron-apt and have a local mirror from which packages are automatically installed once you're happy to roll them out to all the machines |
| 17:05.36 | Brack101 | ok I've got a program that can normally interact with a process that runs in the background. When I run said process in an init.d script, however I cannot interact with the process anymore, even as root. How can I fix this? |
| 17:05.54 | morfol | themill dont want that |
| 17:05.58 | stew | Brack101: how does it interact normally? |
| 17:06.14 | OldMonk | Brack101: is it a good idea to have an interactive command in your rc? |
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| 17:06.52 | Brack101 | when you type mocp it launches the background process and a gui, when you quit the process is still running |
| 17:06.57 | OldMonk | Brack101: you'll never be able to boot your computer unattended |
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| 17:07.32 | Brack101 | OldMonk: If I pass it the right commands it will start up non-interactively |
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| 17:08.04 | Brack101 | so for instance if I go mocp -c -a blah.m3u -p it will start playing music in the background |
| 17:08.14 | Brack101 | which is what my init.d does |
| 17:08.32 | OldMonk | Brack101: and it has a gui? like, X interface? |
| 17:09.06 | hellues | do you suggest to use ext4 instead of ext3 |
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| 17:09.17 | Brack101 | OldMonk: no like a mc interface |
| 17:09.26 | OldMonk | Brack101: run it in a screen then |
| 17:09.52 | Brack101 | OldMonk: you mean in the init.d process specity tty1 or something? |
| 17:09.58 | Brack101 | specify* |
| 17:10.06 | OldMonk | Brack101: screen mocp -foo -bar... |
| 17:10.18 | OldMonk | Brack101: man 1 screen |
| 17:10.30 | Brack101 | No manual entry for screen in section 1 |
| 17:10.40 | OldMonk | Brack101: maybe you need to install it then :) |
| 17:10.48 | Brack101 | also would this prevent me from using ssh to control it? |
| 17:10.59 | Brack101 | :) |
| 17:11.02 | OldMonk | Brack101: you can login later and screen -r |
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| 17:11.08 | OldMonk | Brack101: er, wait... |
| 17:11.08 | Eulex | hellues, if you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 17:11.34 | OldMonk | the startup command would be something like: su - <some-user> -c 'screen mocp --foo --bar...' |
| 17:11.54 | OldMonk | Brack101: no guarantees of working out of the box |
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| 17:12.09 | Brack101 | wouldn't that ask for a password? |
| 17:12.11 | spiekey | hello! |
| 17:12.14 | Brack101 | oh nevermind runs as system |
| 17:12.15 | OldMonk | Brack101: nope |
| 17:12.17 | hellues | Eulex, when does ext3 become stable ? |
| 17:12.19 | OldMonk | system? |
| 17:12.23 | spiekey | how can i reinstall all config files of nagios2 ? |
| 17:12.24 | jelly | hellues: no |
| 17:12.25 | Brack101 | sorry, windows guy |
| 17:12.27 | OldMonk | this /is/ linux, you know? |
| 17:12.27 | Eulex | hellues, ext3 is stable? |
| 17:12.29 | OldMonk | ;) |
| 17:12.34 | stew | hellues: something like 10 years ago? |
| 17:12.57 | jelly | stew: uh, ext3 is vintage 2000 or so |
| 17:12.59 | Brack101 | OldMonk: so when I run it like that, I can login as that user and manipulate it like normal? |
| 17:12.59 | hellues | i dont know it is stable or not |
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| 17:13.29 | Eulex | hellues, ext3 is stable, ext4 is considered experimental iirc |
| 17:13.31 | OldMonk | Brack101: yes |
| 17:13.34 | hellues | so i ask differently when does ext4 become usable ? |
| 17:13.49 | maligor | ext4 has been marked as stable, so the filesystem spec won't change |
| 17:13.53 | jelly | hellues: about 2-5 years from now |
| 17:13.55 | maligor | it doesn't mean it doesn't have bugs |
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| 17:14.22 | maligor | if you use it now, backup important data |
| 17:14.33 | hellues | i am using reiserfs for my root partition i dont like ext3 |
| 17:14.34 | OldMonk | use it for /tmp ;) |
| 17:14.36 | Brack101 | OldMonk: is the ' before screen a typo? (last question I swear) |
| 17:14.43 | maligor | ofcourse backing up important data is a good idea with any fs |
| 17:14.46 | hellues | but i cannot find a way to check reiserfs |
| 17:14.52 | OldMonk | Brack101: no it isn't |
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| 17:14.55 | maligor | heh, I've had nasty corruption with reiser |
| 17:15.27 | hellues | fsck.reiserfs -fix--fixable /dev/sda reiserfsck -fix--fixable /dev/sda1 both not work |
| 17:15.32 | maligor | hellues, why don't you like ext3? |
| 17:15.32 | jelly | I've seen 3 day long fscks with reiserv3 |
| 17:15.40 | OldMonk | hellues: define ``does not work'' |
| 17:15.40 | maligor | I've never had issues with ext3 |
| 17:16.09 | maligor | ext3 may lack the latest fancy features in fs' but it's solid |
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| 17:16.35 | jelly | but ext3 is slooooooooooow! |
| 17:16.38 | Eulex | I've never ever had an ext3 filesystem that got corrupted. |
| 17:16.38 | hellues | hmm i dont like ext3 because my root partition ruins easily |
| 17:16.41 | maligor | slow? |
| 17:16.48 | jelly | slooooooooow |
| 17:16.48 | Brack101 | OldMonk: OK I lied, debian docs say that you should use a cron job @reboot if you need to run as a specific user. Am I defying the debian gods by using su? |
| 17:16.55 | maligor | hellues, err.. and you use reiser instead? |
| 17:17.12 | hellues | i wonna try reiserfsck |
| 17:17.13 | jelly | Brack101: meh, init scripts w/ su - user -c '...' ftw! |
| 17:17.15 | OldMonk | Brack101: no, since cron can't run an interactive command |
| 17:17.24 | Brack101 | gotcha |
| 17:17.28 | jelly | hellues: no you don't |
| 17:17.32 | maligor | reiserfs is the most prone fs I've seen, to errors |
| 17:17.42 | Brack101 | man I would be in way over my head if it weren't for you IRC guys |
| 17:17.52 | Brack101 | thank you everyone |
| 17:17.54 | OldMonk | isn't a guy |
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| 17:18.02 | Brack101 | people |
| 17:18.06 | Brack101 | :) |
| 17:18.08 | OldMonk | thank you |
| 17:18.13 | jelly | OldMonk: fooled me! |
| 17:18.16 | Brack101 | people and bots |
| 17:18.17 | OldMonk | guys, girls and people of indeterminate gender |
| 17:18.29 | OldMonk | jelly: i'm in the last category ;) |
| 17:18.29 | adama_ | don't forget bots |
| 17:18.30 | jelly | eunuchs for unix |
| 17:18.31 | hellues | just i am trying reiserfs.I dont know which one is better.IIt seems reiserfs is better is faster |
| 17:18.34 | maligor | you forget the aliens |
| 17:18.56 | jelly | hellues: use ext3 if you like your data. |
| 17:19.02 | OldMonk | hellues: if you don't know, just use ext3 |
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| 17:19.10 | OldMonk | hellues: if you know, you wouldn't need to ask |
| 17:19.30 | maligor | I think directory seeks are faster on reiserfs, but the ops speed difference isn't that huge |
| 17:19.48 | abrotman | maligor: don't confuse him .. just let him use ext3 |
| 17:19.51 | Eulex | hellues, there is more than one aspect of 'better' than the speed of a file system |
| 17:20.03 | Brack101 | so this is the command su - music -c 'screen mocp -c -a /home/music -p ...when I run that I don't get to see the output and it's not launching the process apparently. Did I do something wrong? |
| 17:20.23 | OldMonk | Brack101: su - music -c 'screen -r' |
| 17:20.40 | OldMonk | oh, you may need to add a -d or something to the screen command line |
| 17:20.42 | hellues | my home partition is ext3 my root is reiserfs. |
| 17:20.46 | OldMonk | start in detached mode |
| 17:20.47 | jelly | OldMonk: that's just wrong, reattach to where? |
| 17:21.03 | OldMonk | jelly: you need to start he screen detached |
| 17:21.08 | OldMonk | s/he/the |
| 17:21.12 | Brack101 | he |
| 17:21.37 | OldMonk | already said the command wouldn't work out of the box |
| 17:21.40 | Brack101 | su - music -c 'screen -d' mocp -c -a /home/music -p ? |
| 17:21.48 | Brack101 | I know but I'm lost |
| 17:21.56 | OldMonk | Brack101: looks like "man screen" time :) |
| 17:22.02 | Brack101 | I know it is |
| 17:22.16 | stew | for both of you |
| 17:22.35 | OldMonk | nah, not me... let him do the hard work |
| 17:22.35 | jelly | Brack101: ignore the su part, make it work for your user and from an interactive shell first |
| 17:23.16 | jelly | Brack101: when you find the winning combination, put that under the quotes for su |
| 17:23.37 | Brack101 | ok now nothing works |
| 17:23.44 | Brack101 | I can't even man screen so there |
| 17:23.46 | OldMonk | we have progress! |
| 17:23.54 | jelly | Brack101: is it installed? |
| 17:23.59 | Brack101 | I had to ^C |
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| 17:24.58 | Brack101 | this manpage sucks |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | that's constructive :) |
| 17:25.14 | RoyK | Brack101: screen? |
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| 17:25.24 | stew | Brack101: please send patches to improve it |
| 17:25.29 | hellues | i ask a question |
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| 17:25.35 | Brack101 | I'm sorry I didn't mean it |
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| 17:25.41 | stew | i did |
| 17:25.44 | Brack101 | I'm just mad at linux temporarily |
| 17:25.54 | Brack101 | I would have no idea how to improve it |
| 17:25.54 | hellues | reiserfsck -fix--fixable doesnt work |
| 17:26.07 | RoyK | hellues: is the fs mounted? |
| 17:26.11 | hellues | this command list of option of reiserfsck |
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| 17:26.20 | hellues | yes it is root partition |
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| 17:26.25 | abrotman | !tell hellues about enter |
| 17:26.28 | RoyK | reiserfs really is a killer fs, you know |
| 17:26.36 | logika | :-) |
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| 17:26.42 | Tekno | ext4 is killer |
| 17:26.50 | Yamato_ | any one know if i can get my sis 965l mobo to work? i've looked all over and i've never seen an answer. |
| 17:26.52 | RoyK | only uses xfs these days |
| 17:26.55 | hellues | sorry about enter.But i wonna check my reiserfs |
| 17:27.06 | adama_ | I'm sticking with FAT16 until ext5 comes out |
| 17:27.07 | abrotman | Yamato_: that doesn't mean anything to us.. we need the actual devices |
| 17:27.21 | Yamato_ | ok.. |
| 17:27.23 | RoyK | slaps adama_ with a little herring |
| 17:27.25 | hellues | fat16 is slow right |
| 17:27.41 | logika | adama? bsg rules. |
| 17:27.51 | vchrizz | im using luks on a raid0, want to dd that to a third disk and get about 20-25mb/s .. that are two sataII disks who each do 70-80mb/s on a Q9550 with 4gig mem the third disk is also sataII... even writing on the crypted raid0 is at least twice as fast? |
| 17:27.59 | RoyK | hellues: boot up in single user mode if not already there |
| 17:28.00 | Brack101 | thanks everyone |
| 17:28.08 | hellues | how can i mount read-only my reiserfs partition |
| 17:28.08 | logika | vchrizz: you shouldn't be using raid0 |
| 17:28.10 | RoyK | hellues: fsck'ing a mounted fs is madness |
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| 17:28.34 | vchrizz | logika: why not? i want to speed up disk performance |
| 17:28.36 | OldMonk | s/mounted/rw mounted/ |
| 17:28.43 | adama_ | logika: apparently my name is from some tv show or something that I haven't seen |
| 17:28.52 | RoyK | OldMonk: yeah |
| 17:28.58 | et | MADNESS? |
| 17:29.16 | jelly | vchrizz: how often do you run backups? |
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| 17:29.21 | vchrizz | hellues: mount /mountpoint -o remount,ro |
| 17:29.22 | logika | vchrizz: because you will lose everything when one drive fails? or when you have backups, you need to restore everything, which takes time. |
| 17:29.39 | RoyK | alt+sysrq+u |
| 17:29.44 | logika | adama_: :-) i see, if your into sf, i highly recommend it. |
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| 17:30.12 | vchrizz | jelly: well, till now i never did backups, im planning to do a backup of that crypted raid0 (what is actualy my home dir) every month or so |
| 17:30.30 | vchrizz | logika: i know it takes time... time doesnt matter |
| 17:30.30 | jelly | vchrizz: have fun losing a month's worth of data! |
| 17:30.47 | Brack101 | so I can use screen to launch a program that's interactive, get my commandline back and then pass commands to it later? |
| 17:30.57 | OldMonk | Brack101: yes |
| 17:31.15 | RoyK | vchrizz: raid1 or 5 or 1+0 may be worth it. disks aren't really expensive these days |
| 17:31.18 | vchrizz | jelly: ive got much data but nothing important... video und music editing temporary stuff |
| 17:31.39 | Zor | what's the proper way to do a symlink between a executable and a library (.so)? |
| 17:31.48 | jelly | Brack101: screen is usually used like this, first you start screen, then run everything inside different tabs of it |
| 17:31.51 | RoyK | Zor: what? |
| 17:31.54 | RoyK | Zor: it's just files |
| 17:32.19 | RoyK | Zor: as long as it's files, pipes, whatever (but not dirs), the fs doesn't care |
| 17:32.30 | jelly | Brack101: what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:32.44 | Brack101 | sec |
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| 17:32.47 | Zor | RoyK: error while loading shared libraries: libACE-5.6.6.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:32.53 | Zor | RoyK: That should explain it ;) |
| 17:33.00 | vchrizz | RoyK: thats what im thinking of, but i need fastest possible disk speed so encryption works fast and have one or two disks where the backup of the crypted raid0 lies.. |
| 17:33.02 | RoyK | Zor: ldconfig -a | grep libACE |
| 17:33.11 | vchrizz | disks arent expensive... |
| 17:33.12 | jelly | vchrizz: I would use raid0 only for that volatile data, not for the whole of /home |
| 17:33.13 | Brack101 | jelly: my original question I've got a program that can normally interact with a process that runs in the background. When I run said process in an init.d script, however I cannot interact with the process anymore, even as root. How can I fix this? |
| 17:33.17 | Zor | RoyK: ldconfig: invalid option -- a |
| 17:33.30 | RoyK | uh |
| 17:33.30 | RoyK | -v |
| 17:33.31 | RoyK | not -a |
| 17:33.33 | RoyK | sorry |
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| 17:33.56 | jelly | Brack101: which program and process are we talking about? |
| 17:34.05 | Brack101 | jelly: i'm trying to use an init.d script to launch MOC to play music, then I want to be able to SSH into my box later to control it |
| 17:34.13 | vchrizz | jelly: well, i use that box just vor audio/video editing so theres nothing else in homedir except the volatile data |
| 17:34.33 | jelly | vchrizz: ah. |
| 17:34.37 | OldMonk | Brack101: i already told you, and jelly explained you need to get the screen command right through the command line first before putting it in init.d |
| 17:34.37 | Brack101 | jelly: normally you can start mocp and it plays music in the background, then if you type mocp later as the same user, you can interact with it |
| 17:34.57 | RoyK | Brack101: if a program is running as a daemon, you can't interact with it unless it's built as a server |
| 17:35.09 | OldMonk | RoyK: it's some curses-based thingie |
| 17:35.12 | RoyK | Brack101: I beleive xamp or something has that stuff |
| 17:35.35 | jelly | Brack101: what is the package name? |
| 17:35.51 | Zor | RoyK: Still same error after running that |
| 17:35.53 | Brack101 | well I mean it usually runs in the background just fine |
| 17:35.58 | RoyK | using single user packages for daemons isn't what I'd recommend |
| 17:35.59 | Zor | RoyK: also, it didn't return anything |
| 17:36.09 | jelly | Brack101: the later runs of mocp need not be in the same shell? |
| 17:36.10 | RoyK | Zor: where is the library? |
| 17:36.13 | vchrizz | jelly: in detail i even dont need a backup... it just saves me 2-3 days work, not more ;) and i dont want to wait to get the backup back with 20-25mb/s |
| 17:36.30 | Brack101 | jelly: no they need to be in the same shell iirc |
| 17:36.31 | RoyK | Zor: locate libACE or find / -type f -name libACE\* |
| 17:36.32 | Zor | RoyK: /usr/local/lib/libACE-5.6.6.so |
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| 17:36.45 | RoyK | Zor: is /usr/local/lib listed in /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 17:36.53 | RoyK | Zor: iirc it's not there by default on debian systems |
| 17:36.54 | vchrizz | about 900gig with 20-25mb/s instead of at least twice the speed? |
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| 17:37.09 | adama_ | Brack101: get your screen command working e.g. "screen -S mocp /usr/bin/mocp /path/to/playlist.pls" as user. Save that command in a file /path/to/mocp.sh and chmod +x it. Then in user's crontab put @reboot /path/to/mocp.sh |
| 17:37.28 | Zor | RoyK: it wasn't -- lemme try running ldconfig -- sec. |
| 17:37.29 | jelly | Brack101: it's likely screen won't help you with that, then. I have no idea how moc does its inter-process communication though. |
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| 17:37.42 | Zor | RoyK: Runs like a charm :) thanks. |
| 17:37.47 | RoyK | :) |
| 17:37.48 | stew | i'm guessing that screen might help him if only to allocate a tty |
| 17:38.17 | jelly | why not use something with a clear client/server separation like mpd/mpc |
| 17:38.17 | vchrizz | how should i dd that? which device should i use? i thought of "dd if=/dev/md0 of=/dev/sdc1" ? |
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| 17:38.46 | OldMonk | later |
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| 17:40.58 | Brack101 | ok I'm just going run it manually every time the computer starts up I think |
| 17:41.05 | jelly | vchrizz: I guess there's a reason for the crypt layer? |
| 17:41.15 | Brack101 | the daemon thing was a cool idea but this is ridculous |
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| 17:42.04 | Brack101 | unless someone know of a music player than can run as a daemon |
| 17:42.07 | Brack101 | knows* |
| 17:42.12 | vchrizz | jelly: ya, theres a reason ;) |
| 17:42.13 | jelly | Brack101: mpd / mpc |
| 17:42.25 | Brack101 | which one do you prefer? |
| 17:42.47 | jelly | those are the server and client parts that work together |
| 17:42.51 | Eulex | mpd is the daemon, mpc is a client, among others |
| 17:42.55 | Brack101 | oh ok |
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| 17:43.07 | Eulex | I like gmpc or ncmpc as clients |
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| 17:43.20 | logika | :-) ncmpc owns. |
| 17:43.24 | Brack101 | I like mocp because I can tell it to play all the files in a directory recursively |
| 17:43.34 | Brack101 | can mpd / mpc do that or do I need a playlist? |
| 17:43.51 | jeffwheeler | I doubt this is possible, but I really like the idea of ZFS's FS-level snapshots. It allows me to install something I may not be sure about, and then _completely_ remove it by reverting to a few-minutes-old snapshot from before installation if I don't like it. |
| 17:43.52 | Eulex | Brack101, you can add the contents of a directory to the playlist recursively |
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| 17:44.05 | vchrizz | jelly: i dont understand why the dd goes with 20mb/s, im not reading from the crypt layer, and im not writing to a crypt layer... i want to copy below the crypt layer... so when dd is finished, i should be able to open the crypted partition on the third disk with the same key as the raid0 has |
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| 17:44.10 | jeffwheeler | Is something similar possible with Debian tools? |
| 17:44.19 | jelly | jeffwheeler: lvm has snapshots |
| 17:44.23 | Brack101 | ok and shuffle too? |
| 17:44.37 | jeffwheeler | jelly: and I assume they work similarly? Wonderful, thanks! |
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| 17:44.42 | amitz | after adding a group membership to a currently used user in Xsession, how to make current Xsession use the new authorization? |
| 17:44.44 | jelly | jeffwheeler: there's nothing integrated like in Nexenta though |
| 17:45.09 | vchrizz | amitz: restart the xsession? |
| 17:45.21 | jeffwheeler | looks up Nexenta |
| 17:45.22 | vchrizz | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 17:45.23 | Eulex | Brack101, it can play shuffled, yes |
| 17:45.31 | amitz | vchrizz: other than that :-) |
| 17:45.34 | jelly | vchrizz: blocksize? cpu usage? |
| 17:45.58 | amitz | vchrizz: something that won't kill existing applications running in xsession |
| 17:46.09 | Brack101 | oh well wtf why didn't I use this thing from the start |
| 17:46.10 | jelly | amitz: log out cleanly and log in |
| 17:46.16 | jelly | amitz: no way |
| 17:46.37 | vchrizz | jelly: cpu usage not really high... dont know acutally but below 50% i played with different blockizes but the difference is max 5mb/s |
| 17:46.38 | jelly | amitz: groups are inherited from login |
| 17:46.40 | amitz | jelly: sigh, ok. |
| 17:47.06 | amitz | jelly: well, maybe there is some command line to refresh the login? |
| 17:47.15 | jelly | vchrizz: pastebin 10-20 lines of "vmstat 1" while dd is running |
| 17:47.28 | vchrizz | ok |
| 17:47.31 | jelly | amitz: it's called "logging in again" |
| 17:47.35 | adama_ | amitz: you could login to _another_ session |
| 17:47.48 | adama_ | possibly |
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| 17:48.39 | amitz | adama_: hmm oh well |
| 17:48.57 | Skapare | it was suggested to me last night that I should use apt-get to install packages instead of GUI tools ... if I do that, how can I see a list of packages available? |
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| 17:49.16 | Eulex | Skapare, apt-cache search? or use aptitude to browse packages. |
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| 17:50.00 | Skapare | aptitude wasn't finding what I want, which I think should be common, so I was looking for another means ... I'll try apt-cache search |
| 17:50.18 | Eulex | what did you want? |
| 17:50.45 | Skapare | screen |
| 17:50.47 | themill | Skapare: aptitude search only searches package names and short description by default. |
| 17:50.59 | Brack101 | so what's the best way to remote control MPD from a windows box? |
| 17:51.02 | Eulex | Skapare, uh, just apt-get install screen. |
| 17:51.16 | Brack101 | sorry I said a bad word |
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| 17:51.42 | Skapare | Eulex: fine ... but I'm trying to learn the debian tools ... I don't want t shortcut right now ... I want to know the way for any package |
| 17:52.13 | abrotman | Skapare: it died on me too |
| 17:52.21 | Skapare | like a command to make a list of what packages there are ... what I have installed ... etc |
| 17:52.32 | Skapare | abrotman: it what? |
| 17:52.33 | Eulex | Brack101, you could either ssh into the box and run something like ncmpc, use a web client, or use some other graphical client. I know that gmpc can run on windows, tho that support is very beta-ish. I'd take a look on musicpd.org for that. |
| 17:52.34 | abrotman | !tell Skapare about debian clone |
| 17:52.38 | abrotman | !tell Skapare about aptitude clone |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | Skapare: the amd64 qemu etch died .. i think lenny worked though |
| 17:53.02 | Hazelesque | query dpkg |
| 17:53.05 | Hazelesque | gah |
| 17:53.17 | Eulex | Skapare, you don't want a list of what packages are available. you want to search with apt-cache. |
| 17:53.26 | Eulex | Skapare, apt-cache search screen --names-only |
| 17:53.31 | Brack101 | not sure if my server is fast enough to run apache and play music simultaneously |
| 17:53.32 | Skapare | abrotman: oh, the installing amd64 under qemu ... I used LILO instead of GRUB for bootloader and got it going |
| 17:53.37 | abrotman | okay |
| 17:53.47 | Eulex | abrotman, I've run amd64 etch in qemu, I believe |
| 17:53.50 | abrotman | Skapare: sorry i wasn't following you |
| 17:53.54 | Skapare | Eulex: no really, I want the list, really I do |
| 17:53.59 | abrotman | Eulex: i was trying it in lenny's qemu |
| 17:54.11 | abrotman | Skapare: you want a list of every single package available ? |
| 17:54.15 | vchrizz | http://rafb.net/p/I3iQWR52.html here i pasted run of "vmstat 1" and copied dd commands and output between the changes in vmstat |
| 17:54.19 | vchrizz | jelly ;) |
| 17:54.31 | abrotman | Skapare: and you should be using aptitude, not apt-get |
| 17:54.32 | Skapare | abrotman: you were the one a talked to before about grub freezing during the install of amd64 under qemu? |
| 17:54.41 | abrotman | Skapare: yep |
| 17:54.49 | notassociated | i have 2 wireless pcmcia cards on my laptop. i will use one of them which is eth2 (a prism2 chipset based, hostap driver) as an AP. Upon executing iwconfig eth2 mode master i get the error: SET failed on device eth2 ; Operation not supported. What gives? |
| 17:54.50 | Skapare | well, aptitude didn't find screen |
| 17:54.56 | abrotman | Skapare: aptitude search screen |
| 17:55.32 | Skapare | I was in aptitude and pressed '/' then typed screen then pressed return ... a lot of packages listed but not the screen package itself |
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| 17:55.46 | Skapare | aptitude has command line, too? |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.55 | jelly | vchrizz: mm. what about "iostat -x 1" (package sysstat)? Am I correct in thinking you have a total of four cores in the system? |
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| 17:56.21 | Eulex | Skapare, I believe you don't understand how / works in aptitude's text gui |
| 17:56.25 | logika | Skapare: man aptitude. |
| 17:56.38 | Eulex | Skapare, it finds the first match and presents it to you. you then press n to go to the next match. |
| 17:56.40 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 17:56.40 | dpkg | methinks refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 17:56.48 | suzu | I have a few systems that are still running Sarge together with a Plesk 8 pannel, do you think I could just dist-upgrade to Etch like this without much trouble ? |
| 17:56.53 | jelly | Skapare: yes, aptitude has command line |
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| 17:58.15 | Skapare | Eulex: it presented a list of packages ... I scrolled through the list (it was larger than one view) ... reached the end ... no package specifically named screen ... there was a "gnomescreensaver" one with screen in the package name |
| 17:58.23 | amitz | notassociated: maybe your driver doesn't support ap mode for your card. |
| 17:58.44 | Shadow_Master | um, I am getting errors whenever I do package operations... |
| 17:58.47 | abrotman | Skapare: that's not quite how the search in the aptitude GUI works .. |
| 17:58.48 | Eulex | Skapare, / in aptitude does NOT create a list of packages that matched the search. |
| 17:58.52 | Shadow_Master | E: python-sepolgen: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 17:59.06 | Eulex | suzu, is it business critical that they should work? |
| 17:59.12 | Skapare | Eulex: then what does? |
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| 17:59.20 | suzu | Eulex: yes it is |
| 17:59.32 | notassociated | <amitz> the driver DOES support ap mode. i was using it as an ap a couple of days ago |
| 17:59.33 | Shadow_Master | it won't let me remove the package either. |
| 17:59.33 | stew | Shadow_Master: try to figure what in /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-sepolgen.prerm is causing the error |
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| 18:00.02 | Eulex | Skapare, aptitude search foo, for example. '/' in aptitude finds the first match, and to go to the next match, press 'n'. just try it and I believe you'll understand. |
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| 18:00.23 | Skapare | Eulex: it gave me multiple matches |
| 18:00.26 | suzu | Eulex: if it's just a few configuration change here and there and that it tells me so, it's ok, but I don't want the whole system to be down for no apparent reason ... |
| 18:00.39 | jelly | vchrizz: also, uname -r and contents of /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler for the relevant disks? |
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| 18:00.49 | amitz | notassociated: did you use the same method to change your card to ap mode? |
| 18:01.01 | abrotman | Skapare: of course, it will match partial words too |
| 18:01.02 | themill | Skapare: or hit "l" to actually filter the list down to only the packages that match the search term |
| 18:01.02 | jelly | vchrizz: it looks like the disk you're writing to is somewhat on a slower side |
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| 18:01.10 | Eulex | Skapare, aptitude has a list of packages, categorized. it found a match, and hilighted it. |
| 18:01.17 | Eulex | suzu, then I suggest cloning one of those systems and performing an offline upgrade to test it. |
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| 18:01.49 | suzu | Eulex: seems wise. do you have any suggestion about what tool could do the cloning ? |
| 18:02.14 | Eulex | suzu, I don't see plesk in debian. what may be a problem is that you'll be using newer versions of php, apache, etc etc |
| 18:02.56 | suzu | Eulex: ok, but the Plesk release I have on these machines now is supposed to handle Etch, so those new server versions too |
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| 18:03.28 | Eulex | suzu, there are several approaches to cloning a system, tho I don't know any that I could recommend. |
| 18:03.51 | Eulex | suzu, ok. is any of the systems less important? |
| 18:03.57 | suzu | Eulex: the problem is that i have these system online on distant servers, and I don't have any local server with the same hardware |
| 18:03.59 | Shadow_Master | um... too bad. http://rafb.net/p/gJoJMr38.html |
| 18:04.08 | Skapare | OK, starting aptitude again ... slow because it is amd64 emulation under qemu |
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| 18:04.22 | suzu | Eulex: yeah, I may have one server that I could arrange for that |
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| 18:04.52 | Eulex | suzu, remote upgrades, especially of kernels, are dangerous too. |
| 18:04.54 | Shadow_Master | should I try to purge the package or that will only screw up things for worse? |
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| 18:05.03 | Skapare | amd64 emulation is about 2/3 of the speed of i386 emulation ... both figured on an i386 host |
| 18:05.19 | Eulex | Skapare, out of curiousity, why are you doing that? |
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| 18:06.07 | Skapare | Eulex: why am I using qemu? because I don't have the space for a new real machine right now |
| 18:06.10 | Eulex | my attempt at emulating amd64 on i386 resulted in a 10 times slower system than an emulated i386 system |
| 18:06.20 | notassociated | <amitz> yes i used the same method i was using when it used to worked |
| 18:06.22 | stew | Shadow_Master: purging the package should do exactly the same thing as removing in this case |
| 18:06.22 | Eulex | Skapare, nah, why you are emulating amd64? |
| 18:06.32 | abrotman | Eulex: he's evaluating debian for using amd64 debian on his hardware |
| 18:06.33 | vchrizz | jelly: slower side? http://ist.net.org/phpsysinfo/ all are sataII disks two 500gb in raid0, backup should come on the 1000gb sataII disk |
| 18:06.34 | suzu | Eulex: you're right, i should clone the system somehow and test the upgrade offline |
| 18:06.36 | Skapare | Eulex: as opposed to emulating what? sparc? |
| 18:06.39 | suzu | Eulex: thx |
| 18:06.42 | Eulex | abrotman, ah |
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| 18:06.51 | stew | Shadow_Master: you might try reinstalling it, then removing it |
| 18:07.17 | Shadow_Master | it failed on reinstall too... |
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| 18:07.43 | Eulex | suzu, you could try rsyncing files and such, but I don't know how consistent databases and such will be after doing that, might need to handle that case specifically |
| 18:07.48 | Skapare | Eulex: because this is phase 1 of my migration to 64-bit ... getting all my "stuff" to work in 64-bit environment ... some of that "stuff" includes kernel patches |
| 18:08.00 | dashs | About 'top': how can you see the next 'n' processes of a given display, i.e., what would be in the next page of a multi-page display? |
| 18:08.01 | stew | Shadow_Master: what command did you use to reinstall it? |
| 18:08.07 | amitz | notassociated: I experienced a wifi where iwconfig mode suddenly not working. I basically have to run windows on it, make it works, then return to debian and it works. I don't know why. Just an idea. |
| 18:08.15 | Skapare | Eulex: running an emulation of i386 wouldn't achieve the goal |
| 18:08.16 | suzu | Eulex: yes, there are special procedures to backup and restore such things as databases, I can do that :) |
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| 18:08.24 | Eulex | suzu, yeah. |
| 18:08.42 | Shadow_Master | stew: I was using synaptic |
| 18:08.52 | Shadow_Master | um, I can see the file with ls but not read it |
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| 18:09.07 | stew | Shadow_Master: which file? |
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| 18:09.16 | Shadow_Master | '/var/lib/python-support/python2.4/python-sepolgen/__init__.py' |
| 18:09.23 | notassociated | <amitz> the card right now works ok on gnu/linux in mode managed and i do not have windows |
| 18:09.33 | Eulex | Skapare, oh. yeah. you don't have amd64 hardware yet? |
| 18:09.34 | Skapare | OK, how do I undo what / did in aptitude, without doing q to quit? |
| 18:09.47 | oira | sometimes when i press "arrow up" the previous command does not break the line, it just get jumbled, when i press enter the command works, its like i just cannot see the command |
| 18:09.49 | stew | Shadow_Master: can you show us the output of "stat /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/python-sepolgen/__init__.py" ? |
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| 18:09.56 | Skapare | Eulex: I do, but said hardware is currently doing stuff with 32-bit systems |
| 18:09.59 | oira | like if a command is really long, at the end of a line it starts on the same line again |
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| 18:10.20 | Shadow_Master | stew: http://rafb.net/p/4hlqId84.html |
| 18:10.26 | Skapare | Eulex: a hard cutover from 32-bit to 64-bit is not practical until after I get "stuff" working in 64-bit |
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| 18:10.44 | Shadow_Master | all the pys in that directory are broken symlinks now :/ |
| 18:11.01 | Skapare | Eulex: I'm expect this phase to take 2 to 4 weeks |
| 18:11.02 | stew | Shadow_Master: can you show us the output of "stat /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/python-sepolgen/__init__.py" |
| 18:11.09 | Eulex | Skapare, you couldn't try debian amd64 on a separate partition? I remember my mirage into amd64 emulation being very very painful, even tho I was just doing it to try compiling a program I had made. |
| 18:11.33 | Shadow_Master | "no such file or directory2 |
| 18:11.37 | stew | Shadow_Master: what happens when you run "aptitude reinstall python-sepolgen" |
| 18:11.39 | Skapare | Eulex: that would mean shutting down what I'm doing ... the emulation is to avoid that |
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| 18:11.46 | Eulex | Skapare, ok. |
| 18:11.55 | amitz | notassociated: btw, the name is truly eth2, right? |
| 18:11.57 | Shadow_Master | the correct dir should be /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/sepolgen/__init__.py |
| 18:12.00 | Shadow_Master | that does exist |
| 18:12.20 | Skapare | Eulex: I have lots of things running frequently ... I can't go rebooting all the time to get to 64-bit and then go back |
| 18:12.28 | notassociated | yes it is eth2 |
| 18:12.29 | stew | yes, it exists and is a symlink to /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/python-sepolgen/__init__.py |
| 18:12.30 | Shadow_Master | so... I hit a broken package? (lenny) |
| 18:13.10 | Eulex | Skapare, ok. then all I can do is to hope and wish that you have some good patience :) |
| 18:13.14 | stew | Shadow_Master: if you think this is a bug in the packaging, check the bts |
| 18:13.50 | Skapare | Eulex: I do ... really this will be faster even though the emulation is slower because it means I don't have to interrupt the other stuff I work on |
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| 18:14.25 | Shadow_Master | I can't find any bugs for package "python-sepolgen" |
| 18:14.45 | Skapare | I just need to get what I want done right now in terms of packages ... and I don't know enough of these tools, yet, to know how to do things like get a list of the packages I want |
| 18:15.10 | doudou | Hi, what tv card hardware can run with debian? i found linuxtv.org but it is very unclear as names of products are very different from the ones that are sold |
| 18:15.13 | Shadow_Master | um http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?affects=python-sepolgen ... Internal Server Error :( |
| 18:15.42 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 18:15.47 | Skapare | if there is a cli command to generate a list of all packages, flagged as to whether they are currently installed or not (or installed at back versions), that would be a great speedup |
| 18:16.08 | themill | affects=? |
| 18:16.12 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 18:16.17 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 18:16.17 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 18:16.32 | Shadow_Master | that's where the interface led me to |
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| 18:17.01 | abrotman | stew: except that it works here |
| 18:17.05 | Skapare | something like "apt-get list" would be what I would expect ... but that doesn't |
| 18:17.07 | stew | not here |
| 18:17.07 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=python-sepolgen;dist=unstable |
| 18:17.17 | abrotman | what is "affects" ? |
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| 18:17.41 | themill | abrotman: used for which release the bug is found in, I think |
| 18:17.43 | jelly | vchrizz: can't resolve ist.net.org; also, going afk for a while |
| 18:17.59 | abrotman | themill: but a package is not a release ? |
| 18:18.13 | Shadow_Master | the option is labeled "which affect package" in the interface though |
| 18:18.14 | themill | abrotman: correct. I have nfc how that URL was constructed or where |
| 18:18.30 | themill | Shadow_Master: where? (URL for the form) |
| 18:18.43 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=testing;affects=foo;package=python-sepolgen |
| 18:18.51 | Shadow_Master | bugs.debian.org |
| 18:18.55 | abrotman | i think you still need a package= |
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| 18:19.58 | themill | Shadow_Master: that's not a URL and there is no form at http://bugs.debian.org/. Can you be more specific? Or rather more accurate? |
| 18:20.01 | stew | i still think he needs to "aptitude reinstall python-sepolgen" |
| 18:20.12 | Skapare | ah ... found what I was looking for ... under a different command name ... "dpkg -l" |
| 18:20.31 | Shadow_Master | ugh, I think I'm seeing things. The option in the form is gone. |
| 18:20.34 | stew | Skapare: just note that "dpkg -l" will list packages which aren't installed |
| 18:20.35 | Skapare | this is confusing, though, to have so many different commands |
| 18:20.52 | themill | Skapare: "/msg dpkg aptitude clone" probably gives you the best output for cloning a machine |
| 18:20.55 | Shadow_Master | and now it redirect me to http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 18:20.58 | Skapare | stew: how can I get it to list all packages, then? |
| 18:21.04 | doudou | valdyn, i came yesterday to complain about all the mess with libs, you answered that i should be able to read output of configure correctly. My answer is simple : debuging is twice difficult more than programming, if you should decrease your programming skills if you want to truly be able to debug your work |
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| 18:21.08 | stew | Skapare: what do you mean by "all packages"? |
| 18:21.32 | Skapare | stew: both the ones that aren't installed, as well as the ones that are |
| 18:22.05 | stew | Skapare: you'd probably have to use grep-available or grep-aptavail depending on what you mean |
| 18:22.06 | Skapare | stew: as long as some flag shows the status |
| 18:22.23 | themill | Skapare: you normally wouldn't care about what packages weren't installed though |
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| 18:22.41 | valdyn | doudou: i thought the topic was compiling, not debugging |
| 18:22.43 | stew | Skapare: dpkg -l shows the list of packages in /var/lib/dpkg/status which is roughly the list of packages which are installed, or have ever been installed, but wouldn't include packages which were never installed |
| 18:22.47 | Skapare | themill: that's exactly what I'm trying to get |
| 18:23.01 | doudou | i often read ppl saying that others have not enought skill ... in fact it is the contrary they do not understand where the skills should be used |
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| 18:23.13 | Shadow_Master | stew: same thing with aptitude reinstall python-sepolgen |
| 18:23.25 | themill | Skapare: but to what end? what use is it? |
| 18:23.25 | valdyn | doudou: ok, you have to much skill to compile programs |
| 18:23.25 | doudou | valdyn, i suppose that when you cant compile you soon strat debuging |
| 18:23.30 | stew | Shadow_Master: what do you mean? |
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| 18:23.50 | Skapare | what I want is a list of every package I could install (for this arch), even if I already have it installed |
| 18:24.00 | Shadow_Master | "file not found" due to the same inexistent directories |
| 18:24.01 | doudou | you still dont understand, i have no skill, and no skill is what is needed |
| 18:24.06 | Eulex | Skapare, dpkg -l doesn't list all packages that aren't installed |
| 18:24.09 | Skapare | themill: makes my view of what is going on easier |
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| 18:24.12 | PhorceP | Is the lenny installer creating an incorrect entry in fstab assigning /dev/hda1 (nonexistant device) to /boot (nonexistant partition) a known bug? I've had it happen three times now after an otherwise successful PXE booted network install... |
| 18:24.16 | themill | Skapare: right, so you only need a list of packages that actually are installed and not a list of packages that aren't installed. |
| 18:24.18 | Skapare | Eulex: what does? |
| 18:24.34 | Skapare | themill: no, I want both |
| 18:24.39 | Eulex | I don't know of any command that does, and I see that feature hardly useful |
| 18:24.40 | themill | Skapare: but you don't need both. |
| 18:24.49 | Skapare | *sigh* |
| 18:24.49 | valdyn | doudou: maybe when you have a well defined issue we can talk again. |
| 18:25.02 | Eulex | aptitude has a list you can browse through. of all packages that you can install and have installed. |
| 18:25.17 | stew | Skapare: you want a list of all packages which aren't installed from what list of packages? all the packages in debian? all the packages currently available from your current apt configuration? |
| 18:25.41 | Skapare | I want a list I can do stdout redirection to a file ... ignoring whether you think I need it or not, does such a thing exist? |
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| 18:25.48 | stew | Skapare: yes |
| 18:25.59 | Skapare | mind telling me how to get it? |
| 18:26.04 | stew | Skapare: no, i don't |
| 18:26.09 | stew | Skapare: what list of packages do you want? |
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| 18:26.51 | Skapare | every package I could possibly install for my architecture, even if already installed, with its version number, plus a flag indicating if I do have it installed or not |
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| 18:26.55 | brian5555 | hello |
| 18:26.58 | Eulex | Skapare, /var/lib/dpkg/status does a pretty good job of listing ALL packages |
| 18:27.16 | stew | Eulex: no, it doesn't list available packages which were never installed |
| 18:27.21 | elik | abrotman, a few hours later... rtorrent does throw off my connection.. I can only assume it's at the driver level... |
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| 18:27.35 | Eulex | stew, oh, I thought it did, nm then |
| 18:27.36 | brian5555 | running lsmod has shown that 8139cp and 8139too are running together. How do I disable one? |
| 18:27.39 | stew | Skapare: so you want packages which aren't even in debian? do you want packages not in debian that are available from your sources.list? |
| 18:27.46 | Skapare | anything that is one package per line? |
| 18:27.53 | jelly | Skapare: aptitude search 'stuff' has an extensive filtering option, but it's possible you'll still have to combine outputs of two commands to get your desired format |
| 18:28.12 | Skapare | stew: I'll qualify that ... every package available for my arch via my current updated sources.list |
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| 18:28.38 | Skapare | jelly: if the formats are the same, I can combine outputs |
| 18:28.45 | abrotman | elik: quite possible |
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| 18:28.53 | tbrock_ | does anyone here know how to burn an iso to a usb drive so that I can boot from it? i don't want grub installed or anything like unetbootin, i just want the bit for bit iso written to a usb drive. i tried dd but that didn't work |
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| 18:29.38 | themill | Skapare: aptitude search '~i' '!~i' -F "<something or other here>" <= where you'll have to look up the format string yourself... /msg dpkg aptitude docs |
| 18:29.50 | elik | abrotman, can you see it being somewhere else? at first I thought it might have been jvm misusing .. or some other interface... |
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| 18:30.04 | abrotman | grep "Package:" /var/lib/dpkg/available :) |
| 18:30.22 | themill | abrotman: with version and status... |
| 18:30.24 | PhorceP | tbrock: Booting from a USB drive is different from booting from a CD. I don't know the specifics, but I'm pretty sure it means you can't do exactly what you want to do. |
| 18:30.26 | abrotman | elik: an actual hardware issue ? |
| 18:30.32 | abrotman | themill: wtf .. this is sily :) |
| 18:30.38 | themill | abrotman: you don't say |
| 18:30.45 | tbrock_ | really? |
| 18:30.56 | jelly | Skapare: "/msg dpkg list all packages", use the aptitude command, change the output format to suit your needs |
| 18:31.02 | elik | abrotman, hum, quite possible too.. been giving me issues.. but then, windows would have them as well, no? |
| 18:31.20 | themill | jelly: that's what I just said! |
| 18:31.31 | elik | abrotman, cause that's on a dual boot, and I downloaded big torrent while in windows with that very wireless card.. |
| 18:31.32 | stew | and its not what he wants |
| 18:31.48 | themill | except that what I said would have included packages htat aren't installed |
| 18:31.52 | jelly | stew: he can remove ~I easily. |
| 18:31.59 | jelly | sorry, ~i |
| 18:32.04 | themill | jelly: you can't just remove it |
| 18:32.10 | themill | tias |
| 18:32.12 | abrotman | elik: one would think .. |
| 18:32.14 | PhorceP | tbrock: You might find more info on bootdisk.com |
| 18:32.34 | jelly | themill: well then! |
| 18:32.42 | Skapare | abrotman: there is no packaged named screen in /var/lib/dpkg/available ... that might explain why aptitude didn't list it |
| 18:32.53 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 18:33.08 | themill | there should be... |
| 18:33.25 | Eulex | Skapare, show us your sources.list in a pastebin, please |
| 18:33.49 | Shadow_Master | should probably try dpkg --force ... |
| 18:33.57 | stew | Skapare: no |
| 18:33.59 | stew | Shadow_Master: no |
| 18:34.02 | stew | Skapare: nm |
| 18:34.13 | Shadow_Master | if the package gets upgraded, will it be able to install anyway? |
| 18:34.27 | stew | Shadow_Master: not until you fix this one |
| 18:34.49 | Shadow_Master | should I create the missing symlink myself then? |
| 18:34.53 | stew | well, maybe an upgrade would work, i haven't looked at the actual prerm |
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| 18:35.11 | stew | Shadow_Master: what version is currently installed? |
| 18:35.31 | Shadow_Master | python-sepolgen 1.0.11-5 |
| 18:35.43 | Skapare | Eulex: http://rafb.net/p/k1xbbq77.html |
| 18:37.46 | stew | Shadow_Master: what does "ls -l /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/sepolgen/__init__.py" return? |
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| 18:38.34 | Shadow_Master | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-09-16 03:06 /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/sepolgen/__init__.py |
| 18:38.39 | Brack101 | if you just delete a /etc/init.d/file , does init still try to run it? |
| 18:38.53 | stew | ok, so the reinstall worked |
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| 18:39.15 | abrotman | Brack101: dont' do that |
| 18:39.24 | unixSnob | gets: *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x00000000023be8f0 *** when running pdflatex on a document that includes an image. Clues? |
| 18:39.29 | stew | Shadow_Master: can you show me the output fo "ls -l /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen" ? |
| 18:39.34 | jelly | Brack101: the proper way to disable running it is using update-rc.d |
| 18:40.10 | Shadow_Master | em, drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-01-19 14:33 sepolgen |
| 18:40.15 | Brack101 | what if you do it by accident? |
| 18:40.15 | Brack101 | :) |
| 18:40.16 | jelly | Brack101: init would detect a broken link in /etc/rc?.d/S??yourscript and not run it, but it's ugly |
| 18:40.30 | Shadow_Master | now the removal is trying to access a different inexistent directory though |
| 18:40.54 | Brack101 | I see |
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| 18:40.56 | adama_ | Brack101: remove all the links to the removed file in /etc/rc* |
| 18:40.57 | Brack101 | oops |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | adama_: man update-rc.d |
| 18:41.05 | Brack101 | thanks |
| 18:41.10 | Shadow_Master | er, I take that back |
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| 18:41.47 | stew | Shadow_Master: can you show me the output of "aptitude remove python-sepolgen" |
| 18:41.47 | Eulex | Skapare, did you try an apt-get update? |
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| 18:42.10 | Skapare | Eulex: a couple times last night ... I can do it again if you'd like |
| 18:42.20 | adama_ | Brack101: ok use update-rc.d |
| 18:42.33 | Skapare | Eulex: since I got ssh working, I can even log it and get the results without doing screen capture, now |
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| 18:43.27 | Eulex | Skapare, I'd like you to run that again and report any warnings and errors. also, you were running etch, right? |
| 18:43.31 | boingolov | is there an easy way to back a version of a certain package easily? |
| 18:43.40 | boingolov | for instance, I want to "downgrade" to perl 5.8 |
| 18:44.04 | boingolov | I'm probably going to end up compiling from source to /usr/local , but wanted to see if there was a convenient method of swapping out the system perl without hosing too many dependencies |
| 18:44.15 | stew | boingolov: you shouldn't mess with perl, its too fundamental to the debian system |
| 18:44.15 | boingolov | I'm on lenny |
| 18:44.26 | stew | boingolov: why do you want to downgrade? |
| 18:44.30 | boingolov | stew, too bad 5.10 is dodgy |
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| 18:44.40 | boingolov | stew, specific app is having troubles with it |
| 18:44.41 | stew | boingolov: if you want perl 5.8, i'd suggest reinstalling etch |
| 18:44.51 | boingolov | not an option |
| 18:44.54 | stew | boingolov: in that case, i'd recommend fiing the specific app |
| 18:44.56 | boingolov | needed lenny for certain other issues |
| 18:45.01 | nbeebo | is this command safe? find / -wholename /e/src/modules/illume -prune -o -exec grep -H illume {} \; |
| 18:45.02 | stew | ^fiing^fixing |
| 18:45.03 | Skapare | Eulex: yes, etch |
| 18:45.39 | boingolov | stew, no, a better option is to install 5.8 until the maintainers get around to supporting 5.10 |
| 18:46.00 | boingolov | whether that means replacing system-wide version or just maintaining a one-off in /usr/local |
| 18:46.12 | Eulex | boingolov, if you want to break your system, go ahead. |
| 18:46.26 | Shadow_Master | stew: http://rafb.net/p/wx1uIJ63.html |
| 18:46.32 | Eulex | oh, well, installing into /usr/local might help |
| 18:46.34 | boingolov | Eulex, installing one in /usr/local will have no effect on apps that expect perl to be in /usr |
| 18:46.40 | Skapare | Eulex: http://rafb.net/p/VAZNIv96.html |
| 18:46.47 | stew | Eulex: you mean help break his system? yes, probably |
| 18:46.57 | boingolov | it is common to have multiple versions of perl installed concurrently |
| 18:46.58 | Eulex | boingolov, yes. just do not tamper with the debian-supplied one. |
| 18:47.04 | stew | boingolov: no it isn't |
| 18:47.17 | boingolov | stew, sure it is ;) |
| 18:47.29 | Shadow_Master | emm... why after another reinstall, that file turned into a symlink to "/usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/python-sepolgen/__init__.py" |
| 18:47.44 | boingolov | I do this on red hat based distros all the time |
| 18:47.53 | Shadow_Master | but that dir doesn't exist. |
| 18:47.55 | boingolov | they are the kings of shipping broken, crippled versions of perl |
| 18:48.00 | Shadow_Master | the closest is /usr/share/python-support/python-sepolgen/sepolgen/ |
| 18:48.16 | Eulex | boingolov, in what sense is the perl on lenny broken? |
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| 18:48.56 | Eulex | Skapare, I find it strange that http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 contains Package: screen |
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| 18:49.27 | brian5555 | my hostname is whitepc however when i try to ssh to my "whitepc" i get an error... what could be problem? |
| 18:49.31 | Eulex | ... if it's not working for you. |
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| 18:49.35 | boingolov | Eulex, http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2008-01/msg01145.html for one |
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| 18:50.04 | Skapare | Eulex: how many packages should there be in /var/lib/dpkg/available for amd64 right now? |
| 18:50.07 | vladi | hi, how can i use testing pkg's only for certain debian packages? like linux-source |
| 18:50.24 | boingolov | anyway, I'll stick with what I'm used to doing on rhel |
| 18:51.09 | Eulex | Skapare, 17721 in etch/main, but you have security updates too, so you should have a few more. |
| 18:51.12 | Shadow_Master | I give up, I suppose I'll live with it for a while. |
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| 18:51.30 | Skapare | Eulex: "dpkg -l | wc -l" gives me 820 ... "egrep ^Package /var/lib/dpkg/available | wc -l" gives me 816 |
| 18:52.01 | Skapare | Eulex: then it's clearly not updating properly |
| 18:52.25 | Eulex | Skapare, neither is supposed to contain all. |
| 18:52.34 | Skapare | how do I get all? |
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| 18:53.40 | Skapare | is there a way I can dismiss the data I have and force it to get the list entirely fresh again (but without damaging its understanding of what I currently have installed) ? |
| 18:54.02 | Eulex | Skapare, apt-cache status |
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| 18:54.19 | brian5555 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.22 | Skapare | E: Invalid operation status |
| 18:54.40 | Eulex | ah, sorry, stats |
| 18:54.47 | stew | Skapare: dpkg -l doesn't list all available packages, just ones that have been installed |
| 18:55.08 | Skapare | Total package names : 23614 (1133k) |
| 18:55.15 | Eulex | sounds sane |
| 18:55.15 | stew | Skapare: if you want all available packages, use aptitude search or grep-aptavail or grep-available |
| 18:55.26 | Skapare | stew: yeah ... that was said and I found it to be true |
| 18:55.36 | Skapare | stew: how to get the full list? |
| 18:55.39 | stew | Skapare: grep-aptavil and grep-avialable wouldn't know anythign about the current states of the packages though |
| 18:55.49 | stew | Skapare: aptitude search . |
| 18:55.52 | Skapare | stew: the list of 23614 packages |
| 18:56.02 | Skapare | ok |
| 18:56.26 | Eulex | Skapare, to force the list to be recreated, change to another mirror. you could use http.us.debian.org instead of ftp.us.debian.org, as those are the same servers but with a different hostname. |
| 18:56.32 | Brack101 | if anyone is familiar with mpd, is it possible to make it automatically add all music files to its playlist recursively, and start playing on shuffle mode? man mpd.conf doesn't show these kind of options |
| 18:56.49 | stew | Skapare: if you want states and versions you want something like: aptitude search . -F"%p%c %v" |
| 18:56.52 | Eulex | Brack101, you could script that with mpc. |
| 18:57.08 | Brack101 | Eulex: okey dok |
| 18:57.29 | Eulex | Brack101, you want to clear the playlist before doing that, tho :P |
| 18:57.36 | Brack101 | Eulex:true that |
| 18:57.47 | Skapare | stew: OK ... so it's not caching the list of all 23614 packages anywhere? |
| 18:57.57 | stew | Skapare: it is |
| 18:58.06 | Brack101 | Eulex: Do I need to pipe the output from find to create the playlist recursively or does it have a built in option to do that? |
| 18:58.11 | stew | Skapare: /var/lib/apt/lists/ and /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 18:58.46 | Eulex | Brack101, I suggest reading man mpc. |
| 18:58.51 | Brack101 | ok |
| 18:59.06 | Eulex | especially the small section about the 'add' command :) |
| 18:59.28 | Skapare | stew: "egrep ^Package /var/lib/dpkg/available | wc -l" gives me 816 |
| 18:59.40 | tbrock_ | is there really no way to "burn" an iso to usb? |
| 18:59.46 | Skapare | stew: which corresponds close to how many are installed |
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| 18:59.54 | valdyn | tbrock_: why the hell not? |
| 18:59.57 | brian5555 | how do i find out the ip my computer is using? |
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| 19:00.03 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 19:00.41 | tbrock_ | valdyn because nobody can tell me how to do it |
| 19:00.47 | brian5555 | abrotman: that command doesn't exist |
| 19:00.53 | tbrock_ | i can do it with diskutil in osx |
| 19:00.56 | stew | Skapare: then you haven't run 'dselect update' recently |
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| 19:01.04 | Skapare | stew: 19638 packages listed by the aptitude search . command |
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| 19:01.20 | tbrock_ | but there seems to be no equivalent |
| 19:01.22 | valdyn | tbrock_: cat file .iso ( or /dev/cdrom ) > /path/to/usb_partition |
| 19:01.35 | abrotman | brian5555: use the full path |
| 19:01.47 | tbrock_ | valdyn, will that work |
| 19:01.53 | tbrock_ | what about the bootsector |
| 19:01.57 | Skapare | stew: I was told to do apt-get update |
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| 19:02.12 | valdyn | tbrock_: that is a seperate issue |
| 19:02.14 | stew | Skapare: apt-get update will update the files in /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 19:02.17 | Skapare | stew: shall I do dselect update now? |
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| 19:02.29 | stew | Skapare: do dselect update if you want /var/lib/dpkg/available to be updated |
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| 19:02.38 | Skapare | ok |
| 19:02.40 | tbrock_ | ok, can you help me with that |
| 19:02.41 | tbrock_ | ? |
| 19:03.01 | brian5555 | i wasn't root |
| 19:03.03 | brian5555 | so it didnt work |
| 19:03.14 | valdyn | tbrock_: no, i dont know how cdrom booting works precisely, much less how usb works |
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| 19:03.56 | tbrock_ | so there is no equivalent to diskutil for osx |
| 19:04.04 | valdyn | tbrock_: if you are trying to install debian that way.. i found network booting easier |
| 19:04.09 | tbrock_ | because that handles making the booting work correctly |
| 19:04.18 | Skapare | stew: now "egrep ^Package /var/lib/dpkg/available | wc -l" gives me 17792 ... that seems to be a lot better |
| 19:04.29 | tbrock_ | nah its a windows xp disk, but i have to make a bootable usb from within ubuntu |
| 19:04.35 | tbrock_ | thats the issue |
| 19:04.44 | sphenxes | I have installed dvdrip as advised. I would like now to compress a 1 GB *.vob file to ca. 300 MB file. I don't know which format i can use (from 1 GB to 300 MB). My question: how can I compress vob file (i don't care about the quality): |
| 19:04.46 | Skapare | stew: so I take it "apt-get update" != "dselect update" |
| 19:05.04 | stew | Skapare: right, one updates apt's database, the other updates dselect's database |
| 19:05.27 | Skapare | stew: different databases ... oh great ... and which one does aptitude use? |
| 19:05.33 | valdyn | tbrock_: tried mencoder -o file.avi file.vob ? |
| 19:05.39 | valdyn | tbrock_: ops |
| 19:05.39 | stew | Skapare: it uses apt's database and its own |
| 19:05.45 | valdyn | sphenxes: ^^^ |
| 19:05.56 | valdyn | sphenxes: but thats probably going to make it smaller |
| 19:05.59 | Skapare | so maybe I also need to do "aptitude update" ? |
| 19:06.04 | stew | Skapare: no, you don't |
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| 19:06.15 | sphenxes | valdyn, what will be smaller? |
| 19:06.21 | stew | Skapare: apt-get update updates the package caches that aptitude uses |
| 19:06.23 | valdyn | sphenxes: the file.avi |
| 19:06.37 | stew | Skapare: aptitude has its own database of package states. apt-get uses dselects database of package states |
| 19:06.45 | tbrock_ | valdyn, ? |
| 19:06.51 | Skapare | stew: and how can I see a list of what packages are available from that list? |
| 19:06.56 | sphenxes | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:06.59 | stew | Skapare: which? |
| 19:07.06 | petemc | sphenxes: handbrake allows you to specify the output size |
| 19:07.34 | Skapare | stew: either all that are available and not yet installed, -or- all that are available plus all that are installed |
| 19:07.38 | sphenxes | petemc, thanks |
| 19:07.53 | stew | Skapare: from which list? |
| 19:08.03 | Skapare | stew: some list that at least includes all available ... from what aptitude uses |
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| 19:08.39 | stew | Skapare: "all available and not yet installed" is "aptitude search '!~i'" all that are available plus all that are installed is "aptitude search ." |
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| 19:09.32 | Skapare | stew: OK ... I'll try screen now |
| 19:09.58 | Skapare | and screen seems to be in that list |
| 19:10.25 | stew | Skapare: if you want the list of packages, installed or not, containing 'screen' in the name, it would be "aptitude search '~nscreen'" |
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| 19:10.37 | Skapare | I did "apt-get update" about 3 times last night after fixing sources.list ... but screen was not in there until what I've done today |
| 19:10.49 | daf999 | how do I change disk label for a removable drive? |
| 19:10.55 | stew | Skapare: was not in where? |
| 19:11.14 | Skapare | was not known to aptitude, wherever that means |
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| 19:11.20 | x1250 | Skapare, probably a faulty mirror |
| 19:11.29 | Skapare | x1250: very possible |
| 19:11.37 | stew | i doubt it |
| 19:11.43 | Skapare | or faulty cache |
| 19:12.05 | stew | i doubt it |
| 19:12.22 | Skapare | then what do you think could be the cause? |
| 19:12.26 | stew | since "apt-get update" would replace the cache |
| 19:12.40 | stew | Skapare: you needing to fix sources.list or run apt-get update |
| 19:13.30 | Skapare | stew: fixed it last night ... need fixing again? |
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| 19:14.14 | unixSnob | Anyone know the proper package name for the pdf2pdf tool? |
| 19:14.20 | stew | Skapare: no |
| 19:14.29 | abrotman | unixSnob: which tool ? |
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| 19:14.45 | stew | unixSnob: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:15.30 | unixSnob | abrotman: pdf2pdf is the tool.. searching doesn't find it |
| 19:15.42 | Skapare | stew: I fixed it last night ... did apt-get update 3 times last night ... once again this morning ... the screen package was not there ... then did other stuff suggested by people here ... now screen package is there ... something done just recently fixed it |
| 19:15.57 | Skapare | stew: my sources.list is here: http://rafb.net/p/k1xbbq77.html |
| 19:16.17 | unixSnob | stew: that doesn't find it either (i also tried apt-file search on my box) |
| 19:16.19 | karsten | unixSnob: one sec. |
| 19:16.31 | unixSnob | k |
| 19:16.36 | abrotman | unixSnob: pdf2pdf? so you want to convert a pdf to a pdf ? |
| 19:16.42 | stew | unixSnob: then it probably doesn't exist |
| 19:16.46 | karsten | abrotman: Yes, it exists. |
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| 19:17.03 | unixSnob | abrotman: yeah.. i have a pdf file that latex is puking on. The conversion may help |
| 19:17.09 | stew | karsten: i mean "probably doesn't exist in debian' |
| 19:17.19 | unixSnob | i've seen pdf2pdf make pdfs more consumable by latex in the past |
| 19:17.27 | stew | unixSnob: "convert foo.pdf foo2.pdf" ? |
| 19:17.38 | karsten | stew: No, it exists in debian. |
| 19:17.45 | karsten | unixSnob: Might be "pdftopdf". |
| 19:17.46 | unixSnob | stew: i'll try that.. uses imagemagick, right? |
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| 19:17.58 | stew | !find pdf2pdf |
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| 19:18.06 | stew | unixSnob: yes |
| 19:18.21 | karsten | !find pdftopdf |
| 19:18.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pdf2pdf' returned no results. |
| 19:18.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pdftopdf' returned no results. |
| 19:18.34 | Skapare | stew: results from "aptitude install screen" done just now: http://rafb.net/p/S8sQJ689.html |
| 19:18.37 | karsten | Feh. |
| 19:18.52 | hoxu | !info feh |
| 19:18.54 | dpkg | feh: (imlib2 based image viewer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.3.4.dfsg.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 244 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
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| 19:19.02 | karsten | !shoot hoxu |
| 19:19.02 | dpkg | blows hoxu away with a German Luger |
| 19:19.16 | unixSnob | thanks stew.. that worked |
| 19:19.21 | Eulex | Skapare, run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:19.43 | unixSnob | although imagemagick rasterized the image, so it looks rough |
| 19:19.54 | keith4 | fwiw, i've had success going pdf -> ps -> pdf |
| 19:20.06 | keith4 | although, you'll lose some formatting. which might not be a problem, depending what's in the pdf |
| 19:20.22 | stew | there is also 'unoconv -f pdf --stdout foo.pdf > foo2.pdf |
| 19:20.29 | karsten | unixSnob: Actually, there is a *ps2ps* utility. There's no pdf2pdf. |
| 19:20.43 | karsten | unixSnob: part of ghostscript |
| 19:20.51 | Skapare | Eulex: OK |
| 19:20.57 | karsten | unixSnob: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:21.03 | unixSnob | ah, maybe that was what I used in the past, to fix ps files apparently |
| 19:21.21 | karsten | unixSnob: Yeah, I've done that. |
| 19:21.27 | unixSnob | karsten: I have a PDF file that causes a nasty error when latex includes it |
| 19:21.45 | unixSnob | specifically, it's my digitized signature |
| 19:22.06 | unixSnob | the latex command is \includegraphics |
| 19:22.08 | \amethyst | unixSnob: is it raster? |
| 19:22.18 | karsten | unixSnob: There may be a reason for that. How'd you create the signature? |
| 19:22.27 | keith4 | why is your signature in a pdf? |
| 19:22.28 | unixSnob | \amethyst: yeah, it's raster, but very high res |
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| 19:22.34 | karsten | unixSnob: EPS is the usual format for that IIRC. Not really familiar with that. |
| 19:22.38 | \amethyst | unixSnob: you could convert to a very high res jpeg |
| 19:23.01 | \amethyst | karsten: EPS can be included if you're using latex + dvips; if you're using pdflatex you need PDF or jpeg |
| 19:23.03 | unixSnob | I have both PDF and EPS available.. but I'm using pdflatex, so the PDF is what it wants |
| 19:23.13 | Skapare | Eulex: "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" is already selected ... should I change it to "en_US ISO-8859-1" or "en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15" ? |
| 19:23.22 | unixSnob | otoh, I could go to ps, then convert |
| 19:23.26 | th1 | unixSnob, for input it's better to use the eps file |
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| 19:23.35 | th1 | pdf files contain eps files embedded inside |
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| 19:23.41 | unixSnob | th1: it's just a scanned 1200dpi image to start with |
| 19:23.43 | \amethyst | th1: you can't use eps input in pdflatex |
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| 19:24.08 | unixSnob | \amethyst: right, that's why I'm using the pdf.. I just use eps with latex |
| 19:24.16 | th1 | pdflatex is the same as normal latex just produces pdf output.. |
| 19:24.20 | Eulex | Skapare, just let it regenerate the locales. |
| 19:24.34 | \amethyst | th1: yes, but including eps graphics is handled by dvips |
| 19:24.42 | \amethyst | th1: and pdflatex doesn't go through dvips |
| 19:24.48 | Skapare | Eulex: so what action to do? "<Ok>" as is? |
| 19:24.57 | th1 | oh ok .. |
| 19:25.10 | Eulex | yes |
| 19:25.13 | th1 | maybe better to output to normal ps and then convert the ps to pdf |
| 19:25.22 | unixSnob | th1: i've seen some obscure differences between latex, and pdftex |
| 19:25.33 | PunkiD | cuale es el canal en español para este distro? |
| 19:25.34 | \amethyst | unixSnob: if you convert it to jpeg, does it give you a 1200 dpi jpeg? |
| 19:25.44 | \amethyst | it = imagemagick |
| 19:25.56 | unixSnob | The thing is, this always worked in the past to pass the PDF to pdflatex. Some bug has been introduced |
| 19:26.17 | unixSnob | \amethyst: probably, I haven't tried that. |
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| 19:26.21 | th1 | unixSnob, how did you convert the signature to pdf and what format was it originally? |
| 19:26.40 | \amethyst | I suspect it came out of a document scanner that produces PDFs |
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| 19:26.53 | tuxcrafter | hi all i installed xorg from experimental and now my ralt does not work anymore: http://debian.pastebin.com/d6543b0cb does anybody know of this problem and maybe the solution? |
| 19:27.06 | unixSnob | scanner produced pdf (not sure what the scanner driver uses internally) |
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| 19:27.31 | Skapare | Eulex: still get the same errors ... maybe some locales files are not installed? |
| 19:27.45 | unixSnob | I finally got it something that works.. I have another sig in PDF and PNG.. not sure which one latex used (since i don't have to specify the extension) |
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| 19:28.11 | th1 | unixSnob, you can maybe try something like: pdftops signature.pdf | pstopdf > signature_new.pdf |
| 19:28.15 | th1 | and see if the resulting file works |
| 19:28.21 | th1 | maybe there is some format error in the pdf the scanner produced |
| 19:28.44 | \amethyst | unixSnob: ah, I forgot pdflatex supported PNGs |
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| 19:29.01 | Eulex | Skapare, did you relogin? |
| 19:29.01 | \amethyst | err, graphicx in pdflatex |
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| 19:30.18 | myeggo | hello, after a dist-upgrade debian does not recognise the sound device |
| 19:30.26 | PeterFA | How do I uninstall a .deb file? |
| 19:30.39 | PeterFA | dpkg has a confusing man pge. |
| 19:30.39 | dpkg | PeterFA: are you using Windows? |
| 19:30.44 | stew | PeterFA: dpkg -r packagename |
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| 19:31.05 | stew | myeggo: try running "alsaconf" |
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| 19:31.39 | unixSnob | th1: that worked. It gave me a better result than imagemagick did too |
| 19:32.30 | unixSnob | th1: i had to form the cli as: pdftops source.pdf - | ps2pdf - dest.pdf |
| 19:32.57 | PeterFA | I reconfigured my kernel and tried to run make-kpkg and it says, "nothing to be done." |
| 19:33.15 | PeterFA | Oh nevermined. |
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| 19:33.21 | Skapare | Eulex: uh ... no, let me do that |
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| 19:34.28 | zash_ | does console-kit-daemon fill any purspose on a web-server? |
| 19:35.19 | Skapare | Eulex: logged out, logged in, same errors |
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| 19:35.46 | Eulex | Skapare, what is the output of 'locale' |
| 19:36.17 | Skapare | Eulex: I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales again ... waiting for it to finish |
| 19:36.41 | Skapare | didn't want to ^C it, just in case |
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| 19:38.16 | Skapare | Eulex: http://rafb.net/p/33sjnB35.html |
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| 19:40.01 | Eulex | Skapare, if you set LANG and LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8? |
| 19:40.04 | Scurz | hi |
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| 19:41.41 | Scurz | I've a debian system on a raid 1 on two disks, the md0 is as "degraded", because only hdc1 in the array md0 instead of hda1+hdc1, and so, at boot, md0 changes into read-only, why ? |
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| 19:42.33 | PeterFA | I just make a configuration change to my Linux kernel configuration and now I want to rebuild it, but make-kpkg with same arguments just says that these files are up to day and won't make the .deb file. I ran make clean on the source directory but still, make-kpkg says the same thing. |
| 19:43.08 | \amethyst | PeterFA: make-kpkg clean |
| 19:43.11 | Eulex | PeterFA, make-kpkg clean? |
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| 19:43.26 | PeterFA | oh |
| 19:43.46 | Skapare | Eulex: in environment variables? |
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| 19:44.02 | Eulex | Skapare, yes. export BAR=FOO |
| 19:44.16 | \amethyst | PeterFA: make-kpkg has stamp files which tell it which steps it has already performed; and it's necessary anyway if you're using append_to_version, because make fooconfig doesn't including the append_to_version data in version.h |
| 19:44.29 | \amethyst | s/including/include/ |
| 19:44.34 | Skapare | Eulex: my environment currently has LANG=en_US and LC_ALL is not set |
| 19:44.53 | Eulex | Skapare, I asked you to try setting LANG and LC_ALL to that value. |
| 19:45.09 | Skapare | oh, I though you were asking if I had set it |
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| 19:47.02 | PeterFA | \amethyst, I see. |
| 19:47.43 | Skapare | Eulex: that seems to eliminate the errors from perl, but it makes the text menu displays come out all goofy looking |
| 19:48.28 | Eulex | Skapare, what terminal are you using? |
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| 19:49.22 | Skapare | Eulex: text console on machine1 --> ssh --> machine2 running qemu --> redirected into sshd in guest --> screen --> bash |
| 19:49.49 | Eulex | Skapare, linux text tty? right, that won't do utf-8. |
| 19:50.05 | Skapare | I know |
| 19:50.08 | Eulex | then use iso-8859 |
| 19:50.14 | Skapare | yes, text console tty under linux |
| 19:50.19 | Skapare | ok |
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| 19:51.01 | stoned | \amethyst, are you into python at all? |
| 19:51.17 | PeterFA | I installed Debian on a python once. |
| 19:51.22 | PeterFA | Very constrictive. |
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| 19:51.31 | stoned | what? |
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| 19:51.56 | stoned | do I need to take away your crackpipe? |
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| 19:52.34 | stoned | man I would probably laugh at that if I wasn't so caught up in this... project thingy |
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| 19:53.04 | PeterFA | Sorry. |
| 19:53.07 | stoned | Never mix tabs and spaces. |
| 19:53.08 | unixSnob | snatches PeterFA's crack pipe for a hit before it gets confiscated |
| 19:53.10 | stoned | oops |
| 19:53.23 | dustybin | Can Suns Solaris OS hold a better uptime than a linux distro? Or is that a myth? |
| 19:53.33 | stoned | dustybin, why are you asking here? |
| 19:53.51 | dustybin | oh i thought i was in #solaris sorry |
| 19:53.55 | stoned | dustybin, its either appropriate for #solaris or ##linux |
| 19:53.58 | unixSnob | dustybin: afaik, solaris is do-178b.. linux is not |
| 19:54.30 | stoned | PeterFA, I admit, it was funny... I was just kinda in a serious mood |
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| 19:55.12 | stoned | skarper |
| 19:57.12 | rgammans | stoned: Do you have a python question? I know it a bit... |
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| 19:58.28 | unixSnob | rgammans: but are you good enough with python to install debian on it? |
| 19:59.05 | PeterFA | stoned, ok. |
| 19:59.10 | PeterFA | stoned, I understand. |
| 19:59.26 | PeterFA | Making your own kernel is like eating veggies. You don't always like to, but it's well worth it. |
| 19:59.37 | Scurz | If I do iptables -F, I remove all iptables rules, but all internet connections are lost, why ? |
| 19:59.37 | stew | it is? |
| 19:59.41 | rgammans | unixsnob: Dunno - what arch is it? |
| 19:59.51 | PeterFA | Scurz, because your policies are drop |
| 20:00.02 | adama_ | Scurz: yeah policy default |
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| 20:00.08 | Scurz | ok |
| 20:00.14 | PeterFA | Scurz, iptables -P FORWARD -jACCEPT |
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| 20:00.48 | Scurz | PeterFA: thanks |
| 20:01.50 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:02.24 | stew | Gigantic: yeah. "man kill" should have a table of signals |
| 20:03.06 | Gigantic | yeah, wanted to be sure because my man say something about kill -TERM -1 |
| 20:03.29 | PeterFA | It's so scary, UNIX commands sometimes. |
| 20:03.32 | PeterFA | "Man kill" |
| 20:03.46 | Gigantic | you can also killall man |
| 20:03.52 | PeterFA | hehe. |
| 20:04.17 | PeterFA | Gigantic, that only works if you're Solviet Russia though. |
| 20:04.46 | PeterFA | You have to be in the dictator's group. |
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| 20:05.08 | Gigantic | or a psycho with chemicals in NY's subway |
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| 20:05.46 | rgammans | there's a group for that? Sounds more like a solo operation. |
| 20:05.51 | PeterFA | Subway sandwiches do have chemicals and do cause you to go psycho as it desolves the myaline lining of your anexes. |
| 20:06.03 | Gigantic | or your name starts with J and ends with orge Bush |
| 20:06.03 | PeterFA | rgammans, it's like the wheel group. |
| 20:06.13 | PeterFA | Jorge Bush? |
| 20:06.20 | logika | how can i force the debian installer to write a msdos partition instead of a gpuid partition which it tends to do on my MacBook? |
| 20:06.48 | rgammans | PeterFA: The wheel group are all psycho's? , Explains a lot I guess. |
| 20:07.32 | Gigantic | logika: think parted have an option for that but not sure |
| 20:08.06 | logika | Gigantic: err, i meant partition table type, not partition. |
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| 20:08.52 | logika | for some reason the debian installer chooses to write a gpuid partition because it detects a MacBook, which i don't want, i just want a normal msdos partition table. |
| 20:10.15 | Gigantic | yes, parted |
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| 20:11.01 | Scurz | the irc protcol, is in tcp, right ? because 'iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 6667 -j ACCEPT', I can't connect to irc server... |
| 20:11.05 | logika | how can i access parted from the installer? |
| 20:11.25 | rgammans | Switch VTs to the console? |
| 20:11.35 | logika | it works in busybox? |
| 20:11.46 | logika | i will try that then, though i prefer fdisk, need to check. |
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| 20:13.53 | Gigantic | logika: mklabel label-type "dvh", "gpt", "loop", "mac", "msdos", "pc98", or "sun" |
| 20:14.00 | Gigantic | mkpart part-type |
| 20:14.35 | JPT | is there a working method on recording sound of an application (a game or sth) in a kde environment or basicly ? |
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| 20:15.20 | logika | Gigantic: thanks for your help. |
| 20:15.44 | bloom | !ops, could you please kick selinnnn who spammed me with a /message as soon as I joined |
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| 20:15.55 | bloom | !ops , could you please kick selinnnn who spammed me with a /message as soon as I joined |
| 20:15.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bloom complains about: , could you please kick selinnnn who spammed me with a /message as soon as I joined |
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| 20:16.25 | stew | tomaw: RichiH: ^^^ on-join turkspam |
| 20:16.40 | stew | bloom: thanks for the heads-up |
| 20:16.43 | bloom | stew: thank you |
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| 20:16.57 | JPT | how can i (easily) record sound that a different application is playing (imagine a game) ? |
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| 20:17.30 | ZX81 | hi all, just noticed that dhcpd is logging to both /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages with the same entries - I can disable syslog with /dev/null, but how do I disable messages? |
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| 20:17.44 | ZX81 | (embedded system) |
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| 20:18.03 | ZX81 | just want to get rid of DHCPACK and DHCPREQUEST messages |
| 20:18.42 | bloom | ZX81: I think you edit /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 20:19.27 | ZX81 | hmmm that's what I did to stop the syslog entries |
| 20:19.38 | ZX81 | local7.debug to /dev/null |
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| 20:19.55 | abrotman | RichiH: he got the boot |
| 20:19.55 | bloom | ZX81: by default there's a line further down for /var/log/messages as well |
| 20:20.02 | ZX81 | yeah saw that |
| 20:20.04 | ZX81 | the catch all |
| 20:20.15 | ZX81 | if I redirect that all logging will go to dev/null |
| 20:20.27 | RichiH | yah, martinp23 nuked it |
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| 20:22.03 | ZX81 | I've removed info |
| 20:22.11 | ZX81 | so we'll see how that goes - cheers man |
| 20:22.17 | ZX81 | heh |
| 20:22.19 | ZX81 | not info |
| 20:22.20 | ZX81 | :) |
| 20:22.27 | ZX81 | ah |
| 20:22.29 | ZX81 | yeah it is |
| 20:22.34 | ZX81 | tail -f ing 2 files |
| 20:22.35 | ZX81 | :) |
| 20:22.51 | bloom | ZX81: you can just delete the offending lines if you want. You don't need to configure those messages to go anywhere |
| 20:23.18 | ZX81 | cool ty |
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| 20:24.12 | nickgaw | With the debian versions of both mailman and exim4 do I need to add mailman azliases to /etc/aliases in order for lists to work? |
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| 20:26.26 | seemawn | so |
| 20:26.27 | seemawn | hier |
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| 20:26.55 | seemawn | whoops wrong channel |
| 20:26.56 | seemawn | sry |
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| 20:27.15 | GeilerBock | Hey check this out http://tinyurl.com/94exmn |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | GeilerBock: what is it? |
| 20:28.08 | maligor | spam |
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| 20:28.39 | maligor | as in: don't check it out |
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| 20:30.07 | abrotman | RichiH: --> GeilerBock (n=sascha@p54A2E293.dip.t-dialin.net spamming |
| 20:30.30 | jelly-home | a2: what are you |
| 20:31.07 | RichiH | abrotman: no, not any more |
| 20:31.19 | abrotman | RichiH: thank you, have a nice day! |
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| 20:32.19 | Elmaron | hi |
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| 20:32.38 | Elmaron | I am trying to install debian on an asus eee pc |
| 20:32.45 | Elmaron | from an usb stick |
| 20:32.54 | Elmaron | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz is this the right image to use? |
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| 20:33.31 | Elmaron | because I copied it to the disk, then booted it and successfully started the installer BUT it searched for an "installer ISO" and failed to find it |
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| 20:34.07 | Elmaron | any suggestions? |
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| 20:35.18 | \amethyst | Elmaron: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 20:35.58 | \amethyst | Elmaron: you need to mount the disk as FAT and copy the netinst or bisunesscard ISO onto it |
| 20:36.18 | Elmaron | I am on windows |
| 20:36.26 | \amethyst | windows can mount FAT |
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| 20:36.29 | Elmaron | well, so it is probably mounted as FAT per default already.. |
| 20:36.30 | Elmaron | yes |
| 20:36.40 | Elmaron | ok I'll try... |
| 20:36.47 | Elmaron | can I just leave the boot sector on it as it is? |
| 20:36.57 | olspookishmagus | hello... could anyone TRY to help me out with a debian/nvidia/GeForce 6200 trouble? |
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| 20:37.03 | rgammans | elmaron: thje debian wiki as installing debian on an eee as a special page |
| 20:37.06 | \amethyst | yes, the boot sector needs to be the one from the boot.img.gz |
| 20:37.12 | Elmaron | ok :) |
| 20:37.31 | Elmaron | that's great, so I'll just get some program that can open isos and copy the files onto it... thanks for your help :)) |
| 20:37.40 | \amethyst | no |
| 20:37.44 | Elmaron | no? |
| 20:37.53 | \amethyst | Elmaron: don't open the ISO and copy files; just put the ISO on the disk |
| 20:38.05 | Elmaron | mh |
| 20:38.08 | Elmaron | the whole iso file? ahh |
| 20:38.13 | masrawy | Hello, we're currently looking for a part/full time admin to manage some of our cpanel, and hypervm/openvz along with some technical support issues over the support system give me a shout if you're interested. |
| 20:38.15 | Elmaron | just add it to the other files already there? k |
| 20:38.34 | \amethyst | Elmaron: yes, that's why you need the netinst or businesscard ISO, since the full CD1 won't fit on the partition |
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| 20:39.22 | \amethyst | Elmaron: the link I gave you also tells how to build it yourself with the full CD1 if your disk is big enough |
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| 20:39.50 | \amethyst | Elmaron: but to do that you need to be able to run syslinux to install the boot sector |
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| 20:48.40 | Skapare | debian for sparc fails to boot up from install DVD unless memory size is 256M |
| 20:49.26 | sepski | Skapare, write a install report ? |
| 20:49.30 | diffred | hi!, I'm planning to move from Ubuntu to Debian because I feel Ubuntu bloated and slow and with too much non-needed packages and GUI's extras. I have googled a little and found that in debian there aren't very periodical updates. My field would be C++ programming with openGL, I'm wondering if there were any update on gcc or openGl library I could update them easily with safety? |
| 20:49.56 | jeffd_ | What does it mean to have a package name with a suffix of {u}? |
| 20:50.06 | olspookishmagus | jeffd: unused |
| 20:50.27 | jeffd_ | diffred: Best not to try upgrading gcc, especially for c++. You really wouldn't need to most of the time anyways. |
| 20:50.38 | bzed | diffred: debian stable means stable - as in there're no changes except bugfixes. |
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| 20:51.16 | sepski | diffred, popular packages often go into backports.org or volatile.debian.net, tho. or you can just run testing, many do that on development/desktop systems. |
| 20:51.22 | Rayne | hey guy |
| 20:51.23 | Rayne | +s |
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| 20:51.41 | bzed | diffred: if you want the bleeding edge for development, you could use debian testing and stick with it. In most cases it is save to use, but it may be broken at some times. I'm using it since years on my desktops and devel boxes, and update it a few times per week |
| 20:51.42 | diffred | jeffd_: thanks, well I was actually wondering if I could easy got the newest version of software in general in an easy way (I'm used to ubuntu almost every day new updates available) |
| 20:51.47 | stew | one shouldn't expect new gcc versions on backports though |
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| 20:51.48 | themill | diffred: there's usually little advantage in getting a newer g++, but there might be an advantage in getting newer opengl libraries. They would normally never make it into stable or even backports.org. You might want to track testing instead. /msg dpkg testing. |
| 20:52.17 | bzed | diffred: even ubuntu doesn't have updates every day, except you use their unstable stuff (however that's called in ubuntu...) |
| 20:52.36 | stew | diffred: testing would get new package updates daily. stable would only get them when a new stable version is released, which usually takes years |
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| 20:52.55 | stew | (that's of course an over-simplification) |
| 20:52.59 | sammcd | anyone have any insight on debugging pure-ftpd ? |
| 20:53.04 | sammcd | I just can't get a log file fr crap |
| 20:53.09 | sepski | diffred, if you run debian testing or even unstable (here there be dragons) you get updates every day |
| 20:53.20 | sepski | unless there is a freeze in progress, like right now |
| 20:53.46 | sepski | then you might experience that new upstream versions dont make it into testing/unstable before after the release |
| 20:54.06 | diffred | so it's not possible to get updates in the stable debian ? |
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| 20:54.20 | themill | diffred: it wouldn't be "stable" if that were the case, now, would it? |
| 20:54.25 | sepski | diffred, yes with backports.org, or just building your own backport of a packages |
| 20:54.36 | stew | but backports.org wouldn't have newer gcc/g++ |
| 20:54.48 | diffred | I see, thanks for help :) |
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| 20:54.58 | stew | diffred: the entire meanning of "stable" is "not changing" |
| 20:55.03 | jeffd_ | Is there a way to determine what caused the package to become unused? I have packages like rhythmbox and transmission that are marked unused just now, and I would like to know why. |
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| 20:55.58 | sepski | diffred, you should keep in mind that debian stable = written in stone, this is not changing ever, you can run your lifecritical systems here. and debian unstable is not unstable as it crashes all the time, but it changes all the time (as in new packages all the time) |
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| 20:56.06 | stew | jeffd_: you didn't explicitly tell aptitude to install rhythmbox, rhythmbox was installed in order to satisfy the dependencies of some other package, so it was marked as "automatically installed". now that whatever was depending on it is no longer installed, this automatically installed dependency is unused and therefore bein automatically removed |
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| 20:56.20 | stew | jeffd_: if you want to keep it, "aptitude unmarkauto rhythmbox" |
| 20:56.29 | stew | jeffd_: err, are you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 20:56.33 | jeffd_ | stew: I understand that, but I would like to know what depended on this package. |
| 20:56.47 | diffred | stew: I see, I'm quite newbie on linux (1 year of Ubuntu), and I'm interested into programming, and there's nothing more annoying that something is not working because you don't have the last version, so I was wondering how it is managed in Debian. |
| 20:56.52 | jeffd_ | stew: the current upgrade thing I am doing now is aptitude, but I will stop it before it removes anything... |
| 20:57.12 | stew | jeffd_: probably gnome was depending on it. check "apt-cache rdepends rhythmbox" to see other possiblilities |
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| 20:57.19 | Elmaron | hi |
| 20:57.25 | \amethyst | jeffd_: aptitude search ~i~Drhythmbox |
| 20:57.26 | Elmaron | I copied the netboot.iso onto the usb disk |
| 20:57.35 | \amethyst | jeffd_: that will show you every installed package that depends on rhythmbox |
| 20:57.35 | Elmaron | but it only seems to want a _real_ iso or none at all |
| 20:57.47 | \amethyst | Elmaron: netboot.iso? |
| 20:57.50 | Elmaron | I want to do a netinstall, so I probably don't even need one? |
| 20:57.50 | jeffd_ | There are a few things |
| 20:57.51 | \amethyst | Elmaron: you mean netinst? |
| 20:57.53 | stew | diffred: if its annoying to you to not always have the latest version, debian is probably not for you |
| 20:57.53 | jeffd_ | Gnome is one of them |
| 20:57.58 | Elmaron | yes, mini.iso renamed to netboot.iso |
| 20:58.06 | Elmaron | well, shall I rename it to netinst? |
| 20:58.06 | \amethyst | Elmaron: err, what is mini.iso? |
| 20:58.14 | Elmaron | it is the only iso file in the netboot folder |
| 20:58.18 | diffred | stew: thanks for help :) |
| 20:58.22 | Elmaron | ftp, debian releases |
| 20:58.28 | Elmaron | or whereelse do you expect me to get the iso file? |
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| 20:58.58 | Elmaron | do I even need a netinstall iso? |
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| 20:59.05 | \amethyst | !netinst |
| 20:59.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but which is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 20:59.09 | jeffd_ | I think I can fix my thing now. One last question: what is the package that contains the cpu frequency scaler applet for gnome? I need to reconfigure it for suid so I can change frequencies. |
| 20:59.18 | Elmaron | I already have a working installer, it's just missing the data |
| 20:59.23 | Elmaron | and I want it to get the data from the net |
| 20:59.31 | stew | Elmaron: if you are trying to install from usb, you need either the netinst iso or the cd1 iso. 'netboot' is something different |
| 20:59.41 | \amethyst | Elmaron: you need the Debian installer netinst ISO, not the mini one (which is intended for netinst booting) |
| 20:59.42 | Elmaron | I used the hd-image iso |
| 20:59.50 | Elmaron | and it boots just fine |
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| 21:00.01 | hark | jeffd_: gnome-applets |
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| 21:00.09 | Elmaron | but it says it is unable to find the installer iso, and when continuing anyway it says I have no ethernet card |
| 21:00.11 | tuxcraft1r | hi all i got an irc irssi disconnection |
| 21:00.20 | tuxcraft1r | how can i reconnect with my regristrated name |
| 21:00.30 | tuxcraft1r | it tells me it is alreay in use... |
| 21:00.49 | \amethyst | Elmaron: you use the netinst image from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r6/i386/iso-cd/ with the boot image |
| 21:00.54 | stew | tuxcraft1r: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 21:01.03 | sepski | tuxcraft1r, wait until it times out, or use the nickserv ghost command |
| 21:01.13 | Elmaron | so should I copy this file onto the FAT-mounted usb stick? |
| 21:01.27 | Elmaron | if yes, how shall I name it? |
| 21:01.31 | Elmaron | and that looks like the normal cd, not like the netinstall :/ |
| 21:01.53 | \amethyst | Elmaron: that directory has the normal CDs and the -netinst (and -businesscard) CDs |
| 21:01.56 | Elmaron | ah its a folder with multiple isos... |
| 21:01.58 | stew | Elmaron: yes, copy it onto the usb stick. don't change the name |
| 21:02.02 | Elmaron | ok |
| 21:02.10 | stew | Elmaron: what version of the hd-media did you use? |
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| 21:02.45 | Elmaron | stew: the one from debian/etch/stable |
| 21:02.50 | Elmaron | will it still work with the unstable iso? |
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| 21:03.33 | \amethyst | no, IIRC the kernel versions need to match |
| 21:03.37 | Elmaron | ok |
| 21:03.39 | stew | Elmaron: you should use an .iso which matches the hd-media you used, which it sounds like you are doing |
| 21:03.57 | Elmaron | no hd-media is etch/stable and the iso above is etchnhalf/unstable |
| 21:04.04 | Elmaron | but anyway, I'll just try :)) |
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| 21:04.28 | r3m | hi, can i install debian the same way on my sata system |
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| 21:05.04 | tuxcraft1r | stew: thanks tripple times!!! |
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| 21:06.14 | Elmaron | is there a faster mirror for me (germany) than cdimage.debian.org? |
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| 21:09.10 | Elmaron | found one :) |
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| 21:11.56 | Skapare | ok, found the sparc issue ... qemu is emulating a particular sparc machine model that is limited to 256M ... and when it tried to make the memory larger than 256M, the information obtained by the kernel for memory size was 0 instead of 256M ... and the kernel froze |
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| 21:13.57 | r3m | sata harddrive are supported? |
| 21:15.01 | dashs | How to permanently STOP apt from putting the CD-ROM back into sources.list? |
| 21:15.22 | stew | dashs: what command is putting cdrom insto sources.list? |
| 21:15.40 | r3m | dashs apt-get update after modifing the file |
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| 21:16.02 | dashs | stew: who knows |
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| 21:16.05 | dashs | r3m: thanks |
| 21:16.17 | Skapare | r3m: was the CD-ROM in the drive when it did that? |
| 21:17.20 | r3m | Skapare: I dont try it, but i heard that sata support for debian is beta? |
| 21:17.50 | Heavy-D | hey guys, if I want to log all messages from Cisco devices and other syslog devices to a file called /logs/test.log... Would adding " local7.debug /logs/test.log" to my /etc/syslog.conf file be sufficient? |
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| 21:18.36 | jelly-home | judd: versions libdrm-intel1 |
| 21:18.37 | judd | jelly-home: libdrm-intel1 -- experimental: 2.4.3+git+20090105+a8c5480-1 |
| 21:18.42 | format_c | Heavy-D, have you heard about syslog-ng ? |
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| 21:19.07 | format_c | Very flexible in configuration |
| 21:19.17 | Skapare | r3m: my worry was if the CD-ROM was there, maybe apt was seeing it and deciding to put it in ... and that if the CD-ROM were removed, it wouldn't |
| 21:19.53 | Skapare | r3m: seems silly to me for it to presume so much ... I'm newbie with respect to debian, though |
| 21:19.56 | Heavy-D | I have heard of it |
| 21:20.02 | Heavy-D | woops |
| 21:20.08 | r3m | Skapare ;) |
| 21:20.09 | Heavy-D | format_c: I have heard of it |
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| 21:20.25 | format_c | Heavy-D, I use it at work exactly for that case |
| 21:20.42 | Heavy-D | format_c: apt-get install syslog-ng ? |
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| 21:21.03 | Heavy-D | format_c: What config file does it use? |
| 21:21.12 | format_c | inclusive filtering and triggering special tasks when special logging events arrive. |
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| 21:21.28 | format_c | Heavy-D, /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf |
| 21:21.53 | Heavy-D | format_c: I'll try that, thank you :) |
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| 21:28.10 | Heavy-D | format_c: Yikes I don't know this syntax at all, know any good explanatory sites for syslog-ng? |
| 21:28.28 | format_c | Heavy-D, wait .... |
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| 21:32.47 | format_c | Heavy-D, first check /usr/share/doc/html/index.html ; also have a look at the syslog-ng wiki at http://www.syslog.org/wiki/Syslog-ng/Syslog-ngWiki |
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| 21:34.48 | Heavy-D | format_c: Thank you |
| 21:34.54 | Tahvok | !gnome |
| 21:34.54 | dpkg | methinks gnome is a Desktop Environment, (a "DE", and so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in D&D, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status>. |
| 21:35.22 | Tahvok | !install gnome |
| 21:35.22 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 21:35.59 | Tahvok | !set up x |
| 21:35.59 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
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| 21:36.28 | shivraj | Tahvok: use /msg dpkg |
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| 21:36.50 | Tahvok | shivraj: thank you, i'm an irc newb :) |
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| 21:38.19 | S-i-A | di |
| 21:38.22 | S-i-A | hi* |
| 21:38.29 | rub1x | hi |
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| 21:43.18 | Fephisto | Hi all, I'm trying out ubuntu lite. I got a dual-boot with my regular system, and can finally get to a command-line interface. I'm trying to set-up some display so firefox can run. Can anyone tell me what I should get/do? |
| 21:44.04 | craigevil | Fephisto: try asking in #ubuntu |
| 21:44.15 | rub1x | apt-get install gnome |
| 21:44.20 | rub1x | depending on you spec |
| 21:44.21 | jthomas | apt-get install kde ;) |
| 21:44.41 | zash_ | ubuntu lite? |
| 21:44.44 | jthomas | sudo apt-get install xorg firefox << that for sure |
| 21:44.44 | rub1x | i retract use kde |
| 21:44.46 | Fephisto | I've tried apt-get install xorg, but I can't find any documentation for xorg. |
| 21:44.58 | rub1x | try man xorg |
| 21:45.12 | craigevil | !ubuntu |
| 21:45.12 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:45.25 | jthomas | once x is installed it should run at boot but without a window manager you may not get much... |
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| 21:45.40 | rub1x | anyone used fail2ban on debian? |
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| 21:46.08 | Craz | i have |
| 21:46.17 | rub1x | what do you think? |
| 21:46.28 | rub1x | worth the extra level of abstraction? |
| 21:46.29 | amf | What is the correct way to get non-root access to the camera (USB) devices? digikam seems to not want to download pictures |
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| 21:47.08 | morfol | anyone knows if drbd+ gonna hit deb repos? |
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| 21:47.37 | jthomas | amf are you mounting the device as root? |
| 21:47.51 | Craz | rub1x: Especially with servers, of course |
| 21:47.55 | x1250 | rub1x, I'm using it |
| 21:47.58 | jthomas | amf unmount it and then as your regular user run 'pmount /dev/whatever' |
| 21:48.11 | rub1x | cool, i normaly just run portsentry with iptables |
| 21:48.25 | rub1x | but i like the look of fail2ban |
| 21:49.37 | amf | jthomas: No mounting, although E17 with dbus/HAL stuff may be interferring... |
| 21:50.04 | jthomas | the drive must be mounted some how to access the files. 'pmount' may do the same as HAL, not sure. |
| 21:50.25 | amf | jthomas: Cool thanks for that command... didn't know about it |
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| 21:52.27 | Debasser | question: Is there anyway to connect two computers without the use of adhoc or ethernet cable? |
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| 21:54.40 | tetonca | you can use rs232 or parallel port |
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| 21:55.40 | elik | Debasser, you might consider the use of a usb key... |
| 21:55.46 | Coke | Hi. I lose my altgr keysomtimes after quiting certain apps, what lines do I need for xmodmap to get it back? |
| 21:56.14 | Debasser | elik: do you mean usb drive |
| 21:56.33 | Debasser | tetonca: would the rs232 work for the use of like remote terminal? |
| 21:56.36 | elik | Debasser, yes |
| 21:56.48 | tetonca | I just did an xmodmap for dvorak |
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| 21:56.57 | elik | Debasser, remote control |
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| 21:57.18 | Debasser | elik: yea, remote control/access |
| 21:57.19 | elik | Debasser, then usb drive wouldn't work... or course |
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| 21:57.46 | tetonca | yeah I used to run a getty out of etc/inittab on a rs232 port |
| 21:58.08 | Debasser | tetonca: awesome, thanks |
| 21:58.24 | tetonca | it's fun |
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| 21:59.14 | tetonca | # /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap \rn# -pke > old-layout.xmodmap |
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| 21:59.56 | Stuckey | hello could anyone tell me the proper way of killing a process? |
| 22:00.01 | tetonca | that's to record the xmodmap you are using now |
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| 22:00.09 | elik | Stuckey, man kill, man killall |
| 22:00.15 | gray-- | Stuckey: kill? |
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| 22:00.27 | Stuckey | I want to send the signal to close to the program before I try to just kill it. |
| 22:00.31 | elik | Stuckey, you might have to specify the signal, -9 |
| 22:00.35 | tetonca | kill -HUP <PID> |
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| 22:01.04 | gray-- | hup? why'd you send a hup? |
| 22:01.09 | tetonca | That sends SIGHUP |
| 22:01.23 | elik | Stuckey, where -9 is kill signal.. you can look at man signal for list of signals |
| 22:01.27 | Stuckey | tetonca, shouldn't that be "killall" instead of "kill"? |
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| 22:01.35 | tetonca | no. |
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| 22:02.05 | Stuckey | What exactly does HUP do? |
| 22:02.15 | tetonca | I don't know of a gentler way to use 'kill' |
| 22:02.45 | suzu | "gracefum restart" |
| 22:02.49 | suzu | graceful |
| 22:02.52 | Stuckey | tetonca, okay so I tried the nice way but the process doesn't want to end... what should I do now? |
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| 22:03.41 | elik | Stuckey, last resort is kill -9 <process> |
| 22:03.47 | suzu | some damn zombie process won't just end |
| 22:03.58 | elik | Stuckey, if that doesn't work, shutdown -r now |
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| 22:04.09 | suzu | they will end eventually or you have to reboot... |
| 22:04.09 | Stuckey | elik, that worked :) thanks |
| 22:04.16 | gray-- | Stuckey: give the man page a go, 'man kill' |
| 22:04.23 | tetonca | It sends a signal to the process. 'init' will read in etc/inittab if you send SIGHUP. Other processes might respond as if SIGTERM was sent. |
| 22:04.29 | elik | gray--, gave that already :P |
| 22:04.44 | gray-- | Stuckey: 'hup' would ask it it stop and start again, -9 is force it, etc, you'll get that all in the man page |
| 22:05.11 | Stuckey | I see good |
| 22:05.14 | gray-- | elik: you weren't exactly helpful with your last few comments though |
| 22:05.21 | Stuckey | gray--, actually HUP isn't explaine din the manaul page. |
| 22:05.26 | tetonca | Stuckey, I usually use SIGTERM after SIGHUP. |
| 22:05.31 | elik | gray--, thank you very much |
| 22:05.42 | gray-- | Stuckey: i'd google to see what hup means |
| 22:05.56 | gray-- | elik: you're extremely welcome, but i don't know why |
| 22:06.56 | tetonca | googl SIGHUP SIGTERM |
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| 22:08.13 | gray-- | and in solaris, 'psig <process id>' |
| 22:08.30 | elik | gray--, I think I broke your sarcasm detector |
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| 22:08.34 | gray-- | will show you the action of each command |
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| 22:09.47 | gray-- | elik: unfortunately that chip wasn't ordered |
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| 22:10.15 | sundaymorning | why has epiphany-webkit been moved from testing to experimental? |
| 22:10.30 | gray-- | sundaymorning: email the devs |
| 22:10.34 | gray-- | next question |
| 22:11.02 | jelly-home | !why is epiphany-webkit not in testing |
| 22:11.02 | dpkg | epiphany-webkit is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=epiphany-webkit |
| 22:11.05 | tetonca | SIGKILL same as ctrl C for many apps |
| 22:11.06 | jelly-home | sundaymorning: ^^ |
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| 22:11.46 | jarski | hi everybody ;) |
| 22:12.02 | gray-- | Hi jarski!!! |
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| 22:12.33 | tetonca | sorry that's SIGINT (interrupt?) same as Ctrl C |
| 22:13.44 | ugly | every couple days I get one of these error msgs in 'dmesg' "ata1: SError: { RecovData Proto Dispar BadCRC Handshk }" and smartd notifies me of the same - it's a fairly new drive - I've swapped the SATA cable with no change - what could be going on? |
| 22:14.10 | ugly | it passes smartd's tests |
| 22:14.13 | tetonca | Ctrl C works for some apps that have controlling terminals (lynx www browser for instance) |
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| 22:17.05 | tetonca | 'kill -SIGHUP' kills lynx btw. SIGHUP often does. |
| 22:17.08 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 22:17.13 | rgammans | ugly: That reads like a data xfer error. Have you checked, the cable and tried alternative controllers/psu's? |
| 22:17.38 | ugly | rgammans: I've tried 2 different cables, but haven't tried different PSUs or controllers |
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| 22:17.53 | yassine | is there a way to remove a package and its dependecies at one shot ? i want ti deinstall x-server and all the gdm related stuff |
| 22:17.57 | ugly | my controller is integrated in my mobo - do you suggest I try another one of its ports? |
| 22:18.32 | rgammans | ugly: Phaps. How repeatable is it? |
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| 22:18.49 | ugly | rgammans: more importantly, what are the implications of that error? is there a good chance I'm getting data corruption? (I haven't noticed any myself though) |
| 22:19.14 | ugly | rgammans: it happens every few days (or every 2 days) pretty consistently, but I can't reproduce it on my own |
| 22:19.37 | ugly | for the record, a prior kernel version caused HD hangs and tons of errors |
| 22:19.41 | ugly | in the 2.6.x series |
| 22:20.02 | rgammans | ugly: Don't know for sure , but I suspect your safe from data corruption. The kernel or controller will rety. Hmm Whcih kernel exaclty? |
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| 22:20.50 | ugly | I don't remember, I'm afraid, but it couldn't have been too far off from my current (2.6.26) |
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| 22:21.25 | rgammans | ugly: I'd try another mobo port, preferably not ata0. so it not paired with the suspect one. Then try psu, and keep changing stuff |
| 22:21.36 | rgammans | ugly: its a pig though. |
| 22:22.15 | rgammans | ugly: its also worth asking on a kernel list, or channel it might be nothing to worry about - have you googled the error? |
| 22:22.41 | ugly | it wouldn't surprise me if it were the PSU - Seasonic is generally good, but it's been intermittently making weird whirring noises and causing irritating case vibrations |
| 22:22.44 | inv_arp | how can I list files inside a package? ie.. i installed a package via apt-get .. no idea what files it installed |
| 22:22.51 | ugly | rgammans: yeah no look with google |
| 22:22.58 | ugly | s/look/luck/ |
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| 22:23.03 | Stuckey | Anyone know how I can run mplayer in framebuffer mode? |
| 22:23.23 | inv_arp | Stuckey: #mplayer ; man mplayer? |
| 22:23.24 | tetonca | yassine: no. The system wasn't designed to deinstall large suites of related packages without operator intervention. It takes thought and skill to do this fully correctly IMO. |
| 22:23.43 | jelly-home | Stuckey: man mplayer; -vo fb or similar will be interesting |
| 22:23.49 | rgammans | ugly: I googled a different xfer error and found that apparently weak psu can cause xfer errors.Don't know ho common it is. But I'm dealling with similiar issue |
| 22:23.52 | yassine | tetonca, many thanks |
| 22:24.14 | ugly | rgammans: ah |
| 22:24.16 | ugly | thanks |
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| 22:24.47 | jelly-home | yassine: "/msg dpkg remove x" for that particular example |
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| 22:25.16 | tetonca | yassine I like dselect for struggling with this, as well as the hairy 'dpkg' UI on the command line. |
| 22:25.31 | jelly-home | tetonca: you're so 1996. |
| 22:25.39 | jelly-home | tetonca: aptitude is where it's at! |
| 22:25.47 | tetonca | That is so. |
| 22:26.03 | jelly-home | likes debfoster for getting rid of crap |
| 22:26.09 | tetonca | I won't deny it. |
| 22:26.51 | tetonca | OTOH my systems are correct. |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: deborphan FTW! |
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| 22:27.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: it sucks balls and leaves crap |
| 22:27.44 | abrotman | does not! |
| 22:27.49 | jelly-home | DOES SO |
| 22:27.52 | abrotman | not! |
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| 22:27.57 | abrotman | you're doing it wrong! |
| 22:28.04 | test_ | what's the command to extend the reserve space on a partition? |
| 22:28.05 | J4k3 | with your hand! |
| 22:28.06 | jelly-home | no you |
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| 22:28.22 | abrotman | it works for me, but i'm doing it wrong? |
| 22:28.55 | phorce1 | test_: tune2fs |
| 22:28.59 | jelly-home | test_: ext2/ext3 ... man tune2fs (two different ways to do it, percentage and number of blocks) |
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| 22:29.26 | test_ | thanks |
| 22:29.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: I bet you still have g++-4.0 installed |
| 22:29.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: bet i don't |
| 22:29.34 | inv_arp | how can I list files inside a package? |
| 22:29.39 | jelly-home | BET YOU DO |
| 22:29.45 | phorce1 | inv_arp: man dpkg |
| 22:29.54 | phorce1 | inv_arp: I think it's -S |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not even in the dpkg database anymore |
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| 22:30.03 | test_ | jelly-home: I wonder if I can use 0.5 as a percentage? |
| 22:30.09 | abrotman | thinks jelly-home is trolling |
| 22:30.13 | inv_arp | phorce1: actually dont think i have the actual .deb since i used aptitude |
| 22:30.15 | jelly-home | test_: I don't think so |
| 22:30.26 | phorce1 | inv_arp: don't need it |
| 22:30.46 | phorce1 | inv_arp: info is in the install database |
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| 22:30.55 | jelly-home | test_: it's the calculator for you. dumpe2fs -h /dev/foo will show the block count (among other stuff) |
| 22:30.57 | inv_arp | phorce1: ahh |
| 22:31.16 | tetonca | inv_arp, if it's installed, look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.lst |
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| 22:32.00 | test_ | jelly-home: I mean, surely you don't need more than a few megs of space? |
| 22:32.03 | phorce1 | tetonca: easier to let dpkg spit out the info for a single package |
| 22:32.04 | test_ | or even less? |
| 22:32.47 | phorce1 | test_: depends on what the system is trying to do when you get near full on the drive. Completely running out of space on / sucks big time |
| 22:32.48 | tetonca | phorcel easy isn't the only useful metric. |
| 22:32.50 | jelly-home | test_: block allocation suffers if you keep the free space low and do a lot of erasing/creating new files |
| 22:33.26 | phorce1 | tetonca: based on the generic nature of inv_arp's question easy seemed most appropriate |
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| 22:33.34 | test_ | jelly-home: for /home how much reserve space would you recommend then? |
| 22:33.36 | tetonca | np |
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| 22:33.54 | jelly-home | test_: what's the machine going to be used for? |
| 22:33.58 | test_ | home use |
| 22:34.05 | test_ | I have a lot of films... |
| 22:34.05 | jelly-home | test_: number of users? |
| 22:34.09 | test_ | 1 |
| 22:34.12 | jelly-home | test_: 1% |
| 22:34.22 | test_ | 200G for /home |
| 22:34.29 | phorce1 | test_: on really big drives that are not / I use 1% -- for / I always stick with the default 5%. |
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| 22:34.52 | zimnyx | Copying files via SSH is 2x slower than FTP in my LAN. Both client and server have free resources, CPU is lower than 50%. Can I speed up ssh file transfer somehow? |
| 22:35.02 | jelly-home | test_: I keep it at 2% but change the reserved uid to me |
| 22:35.14 | test_ | phorce1, jelly-home: ok, thanks for all the help |
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| 22:36.18 | phorce1 | seldom lets a drive get low enogh to need it. I mean, he had a whole 8G left on the 750G drive when it bit the dust |
| 22:36.24 | x1250 | what are the blacklist.DSA-1024 and blacklist.RSA-2048 files inside /etc/ssh suppose to do? |
| 22:36.28 | tetonca | You'll laugh but I prefer to use disk ballast files. "echo -n '....' > x && cat x > y && cat y >> x" (iterate for arbitrarily large ballast). |
| 22:36.56 | jelly-home | tetonca: man dd |
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| 22:37.28 | tetonca | dd is more coplex. |
| 22:37.54 | jelly-home | tetonca: dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=1M count=10k isn't THAT hard to remember |
| 22:38.35 | tetonca | it also does not do the doubling for you. |
| 22:39.00 | jelly-home | no, it creates a ready-made file of wanted size |
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| 22:39.18 | tetonca | I can creep up on the goal my way. |
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| 22:39.33 | blueop | hello, man i need help |
| 22:39.33 | jelly-home | you're weird. |
| 22:39.46 | blueop | dont know where to ask |
| 22:39.53 | tetonca | thanks. |
| 22:40.05 | jelly-home | !tell blueop -about ask |
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| 22:40.25 | Elmaron | hi |
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| 22:40.44 | Elmaron | debian etch is unable to detect my ethernet card and my hard disk it seems |
| 22:40.47 | blueop | "I have a problem" |
| 22:41.04 | Elmaron | probably caused by the installer complaining that no kernel modules are found? |
| 22:41.05 | |Treuf| | Hi :) |
| 22:41.09 | blueop | Hello |
| 22:41.16 | |Treuf| | I'm trying to install Lenny daily on some recent dell servers - with among other things / as an LVM partition (I have /boot on an ext3 partition) |
| 22:41.20 | blueop | k, this is a network card question |
| 22:41.29 | Elmaron | and a hard disk question |
| 22:41.31 | |Treuf| | everything goes fine till I reboot, then I get Volume group "vgMain" not found (vgMain being my volume group with / on it) |
| 22:41.32 | blueop | I have recently came to linux |
| 22:41.33 | tetonca | I did say you'll laugh, so that indicated I knew beforehand how this conversation might progress. |
| 22:41.35 | Elmaron | and a net installer/usb disk question |
| 22:41.41 | jelly-home | blueop: did you get dpkg's private message? |
| 22:41.54 | blueop | yeah, hold on let me read it |
| 22:41.58 | |Treuf| | I tried rebuilding initrd - everything seems to go in there (proper raid drivers, lvm modules ...) |
| 22:42.18 | Elmaron | is debian etch supposed to support asus eee pc 1000something? |
| 22:42.27 | jelly-home | !eeepc |
| 22:42.27 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> and are not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860>. #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:43.04 | dmoerner | Elmaron: use Lenny or Sid |
| 22:43.18 | Elmaron | I thought etch would be newest? o.O |
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| 22:43.33 | |Treuf| | etch is stable, lenny is the future stable :D |
| 22:43.46 | |Treuf| | (testing) |
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| 22:43.53 | Elmaron | dmoerner is lenny reported to work? |
| 22:44.00 | Elmaron | or do I need xandros or whatever |
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| 22:44.07 | phorce1 | Elmaron: etch was made stable and locked from new packages over 18 months ago. Missing a lot of the drivers you need |
| 22:44.07 | dmoerner | it does work, although i use Sid on my 901 |
| 22:44.16 | craigevil | yes the debianeeepc will install a working Lenny on the eee |
| 22:44.44 | blueop | "Dlink -wua-2340, I installed the ndiswrapper after alot of learning of unix, In the end I could not acheive monitor mode, but have heard that installing rt2x00 would let me use my d-link in monitor mode, I installed the rt file with make, make install but when I plug in it doesnt recognize my usb wifi, should I just buy a edimax with monitor mode to enable monitor for white-hat reasons" |
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| 22:45.23 | blueop | "in ndiswrapper I can never acheive monitor mode, or depends on chipset" |
| 22:46.46 | scientes | damn |
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| 22:46.52 | blueop | how come I cant get any help on this in linux, ubuntu or other channels |
| 22:47.06 | scientes | what is a video player that can actually do multiple cpus and actualy use my video card |
| 22:47.20 | scientes | im trying to play blueray or a modern phenom and its sucking |
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| 22:47.40 | scientes | cause totem and vlc only use 1 cpu and mplayer wont show subtitles |
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| 22:47.53 | jelly-home | blueop: which distribution are you using? |
| 22:47.59 | scientes | blueop are you useing x64? |
| 22:48.10 | scientes | if so download the .so from adobe |
| 22:48.18 | scientes | the native plugin and it works great |
| 22:48.51 | scientes | blueop, : http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ |
| 22:48.56 | blueop | Im using the newest ubuntu |
| 22:49.04 | scientes | 64 or 32 bit? |
| 22:49.08 | blueop | so debian? |
| 22:49.09 | blueop | 32 |
| 22:49.11 | blueop | old school; |
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| 22:49.32 | blueop | 1386 p4 3.0ghz |
| 22:49.35 | scientes | then download it from adobe i guess ubuntu is playing bs and using a wrapper that breaks stuff |
| 22:49.43 | jelly-home | blueop: if you're using ubuntu #debian cannot help you, apart from some generic advice |
| 22:49.55 | jelly-home | !rt2x00 |
| 22:49.55 | dpkg | [rt2x00] A project and collection of rewritten ("next-generation") drivers for <Ralink> WLAN chipsets, excluding <rt28xx>. Included in the mainline kernel since 2.6.24. The out-of-tree drivers for Etch ('rt2x00-source' package) are quite buggy and not recommended for use; install a 2.6.24 kernel image (ask me about <etchnhalf>) to acquire these drivers. See also <rt2400>, <rt2500>, <rt2500usb>, <rt61>, <rt73>, <ralink firmware>. |
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| 22:50.01 | scientes | i need a video player that doesnt suck |
| 22:50.14 | scientes | vlc maxes out at 100% or 400 |
| 22:50.17 | scientes | of* |
| 22:50.18 | blueop | thanks |
| 22:50.18 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to use autofs to mount using bind? |
| 22:50.20 | blueop | :D |
| 22:50.22 | scientes | and it skips |
| 22:50.38 | jelly-home | blueop: use "/msg dpkg rt2400" to access the factoids |
| 22:50.52 | scientes | mplayer works good but there are no subtitles, and if you try to enable them it crashes with a buffer overflow error |
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| 22:51.26 | blueop | ok thanks again, I hope soon I have the right questions for this channel, they are comming lol |
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| 22:53.03 | WaY | hello |
| 22:53.03 | WaY | how can I undo an rm on an ext3 partition? |
| 22:53.03 | scientes | blueop, if you are using ubuntu you are in the wrong channel |
| 22:53.12 | blueop | lol, could u direct me to a channel or server for these question ie: quakenet #airsnort |
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| 22:53.24 | dutchfish | WaY, made backups? |
| 22:53.47 | blueop | sry scientes, u use deb packages in ubuntu |
| 22:53.53 | WaY | i've done a backup i wouldn't be here... |
| 22:53.57 | WaY | if I... |
| 22:53.59 | blueop | so I figured I was in the right channel |
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| 22:54.19 | stew | blueop: sorry, but no, we only support debian here |
| 22:54.31 | blueop | so the code use for the gui? |
| 22:54.39 | blueop | the commands and pacakges? |
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| 22:54.50 | blueop | I think I understand |
| 22:54.54 | blueop | see u soon guys |
| 22:55.20 | dutchfish | WaY, not 100% tight but : http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
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| 22:55.29 | PeterFA | I got the 2.6.28 sources and configured the kernel. I added support for initrd and then used make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image and it ran, and completed with a .deb file. Then I installed it and it edited menu.lst for me, yet when I attempted to boot it, it failed to find /init. |
| 22:55.32 | WaY | thanks a lot dutchfish |
| 22:55.37 | PeterFA | What do I do? |
| 22:55.46 | PeterFA | What was I supposed to do to make it make a good initrd image? |
| 22:55.47 | dutchfish | WaY, x fingers, and gl |
| 22:56.23 | stew | WaY: if you haven't yet unmounted the filesystem, you should do so immediately |
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| 22:56.48 | WaY | its on my root filesystem :S |
| 22:57.07 | WaY | it was only 3 or 4 videoclips, no problem |
| 22:57.08 | WaY | ahaha |
| 22:57.18 | WaY | i can continue living without them |
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| 22:57.58 | WaY | thanks anyway |
| 22:58.28 | PeterFA | Is there a Debian release with a 2.6.28 kernel? |
| 22:58.33 | craigevil | no |
| 22:58.35 | stew | PeterFA: no |
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| 22:58.47 | stew | PeterFA: the latest in debian is 2.6.26 |
| 22:58.57 | tetonca | supper |
| 22:59.05 | stew | PeterFA: a newer one will probably be uploaded to unstable as soon as lenny is released |
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| 22:59.23 | PeterFA | stew, well, what do you think I should do about my problem with 2.6.28? |
| 22:59.26 | P4C0 | hello guys, one question, is webmin supported in debian? |
| 22:59.31 | PeterFA | I can't get the kernel to boot at all. |
| 22:59.38 | PeterFA | Everything I've tried so far has failed. |
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| 22:59.43 | dutchfish | !webmin |
| 22:59.43 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 23:00.04 | stew | PeterFA: is there a reason you need something newer thatn 2.6.26? |
| 23:00.34 | stew | PeterFA: why are you editing menu.lst instead of letting 'update-grub' handle it for you? |
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| 23:00.49 | PeterFA | stew, well, for one thing, I need support for my webcam, and second I hear it's much faster, so I wanted to give it a shot. |
| 23:01.01 | stew | i can't imagine it is noticably faster |
| 23:01.05 | P4C0 | dutchfish, thanks ;) that confirmed my thoughts... I'm asking because #ubuntu people says it's not supported with ubuntu nor debian since (debian and ubuntu) configuration scripts and files had changed... is that true? |
| 23:01.14 | PeterFA | stew, I didn't know about update-grub and anyways, the .deb handled it. |
| 23:01.19 | dutchfish | PeterFA, it isnt faster |
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| 23:01.37 | stew | PeterFA: yes, the .deb handled it by running update-grub, most likely, but then, why did you edit menu.lst? |
| 23:01.40 | dutchfish | P4C0, i dont know but hold on |
| 23:01.45 | stew | PeterFA: can you show us your menu.lst? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:02.24 | dutchfish | PeterFA, nope, not supported anymore |
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| 23:02.47 | P4C0 | dutchfish, ok, somehow i found that explanation hard to digest... I mean there haven't been changes in the way debian handle configuration scripts and such in a while... right? |
| 23:03.33 | dutchfish | P4C0, well, there are a lot of changes, specially with the soon to be relased new debian aka lenny |
| 23:03.52 | stew | P4C0: what kind of changes are you asking about? |
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| 23:04.18 | PeterFA | stew, http://rafb.net/p/mlhq0380.html |
| 23:04.22 | blueop | u know its not easy to get info on network stuff as a noob, thats not open to me |
| 23:04.52 | dutchfish | stew, P4C0 i think last time i saw webmin was in Sarge (at the top of my head) |
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| 23:05.38 | P4C0 | stew, no, nothing, i was just a bit surprissed by all of this, that's all, pure and plain curiosity |
| 23:05.58 | stew | yes, webmin was removed in 2005 |
| 23:06.15 | stew | becuase it was riddled with security problems and after a year of asking, nobody was willing to maintian it |
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| 23:06.38 | stew | well except the webmin maintainers, who offered to maintian it, but were far too clueless about debian to be able to make acceptable debian packages of it |
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| 23:07.09 | stew | PeterFA: that all looks fine. and the initrd was created by mkinitramfs automatically when you installed the .deb? |
| 23:07.19 | PeterFA | stew, yes. |
| 23:07.49 | dutchfish | P4C0, you would be of far better by doing it the debian way, anyway |
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| 23:09.47 | P4C0 | well I got here just to ask about it, since I didn't believed the #ubuntu explanation, I mean your bot reply makes more much sense, I was not planning on using it anyways, but ubuntu's reply got me wondering... Thanks for clearing things up! |
| 23:10.07 | dutchfish | P4C0, yw |
| 23:10.38 | P4C0 | cya! |
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| 23:10.41 | indro | hi all |
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| 23:10.46 | indro | anyone using kde 4.2 packages? |
| 23:10.53 | PeterFA | indro, I am. |
| 23:11.00 | indro | how does it work? |
| 23:11.04 | PeterFA | stew, any tips? |
| 23:11.15 | PeterFA | indro, you just install it and then tell KDM that you would like to use KDE4. |
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| 23:11.36 | |Treuf| | I'm trying to install Lenny daily on some recent dell servers - with among other things / as an LVM partition (I have /boot on an ext3 partition) |
| 23:11.39 | |Treuf| | everything goes fine till I reboot, then I get Volume group "vgMain" not found (vgMain being my volume group with / on it) |
| 23:11.42 | |Treuf| | I tried rebuilding initrd - everything seems to go in there (proper raid drivers, lvm modules ...) |
| 23:11.45 | indro | i mean how it works in using. |
| 23:11.51 | indro | any big issues? |
| 23:12.00 | |Treuf| | anyone got a clue ? |
| 23:12.00 | indro | or it is usable? |
| 23:12.11 | PeterFA | indro, I hope you aren't in love with having icons on your desktop. Other than that it's snazzy, I recommend it. |
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| 23:13.02 | indro | PeterFA: not really. ;) thanks for the information, i think i will try it. |
| 23:13.13 | indro | using 4.1 from experimental right now |
| 23:13.17 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, inspect pvdisplay, vgdisplay, lvdisplay and look if the volumes ar ein in /dev/mapper and the /boot/grub/menu.list points to the right places, did you? |
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| 23:14.04 | stew | PeterFA: i don't know what to recommend other than perhaps trying to rebuild the initrd, with "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.28" |
| 23:14.13 | Yamato_ | debian doesn't detect my nic and (when i don't use raid mode for my hdd) won't detect my hard drive. the mobo is: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135060 |
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| 23:14.15 | newsense | hey im trying to setup 2 interfaces 1 for the internet connection(wan) and one for my local network(lan) but it seems if i bring up the lan interface it messes with the route and i cant access the internet |
| 23:14.21 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: rebooting the server to doublecheck |
| 23:14.23 | stew | PeterFA: or you could inspect your initrd to verify if /init is really missing |
| 23:14.32 | PeterFA | stew, how do I do that? |
| 23:14.37 | newsense | i looked into a few things like route and interfaces but couldnt seem to find the solution |
| 23:14.59 | stew | PeterFA: you can extract it to the current directory with "zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.28 | cpio -i" |
| 23:15.19 | indro | PeterFA: you use http://kde42.debian.net/debian/ right? |
| 23:15.20 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, and oh, you did kept your swap outside LVM? |
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| 23:15.49 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: nope, swap is in lvm ... |
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| 23:16.09 | PeterFA | indro, I do use 4.2, but I use an unverified repository. I don't know where they come from. I used some howto from dpkg |
| 23:16.12 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: thought that was fine .. isn't it ? |
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| 23:17.01 | indro | how i get that howto? |
| 23:17.22 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, sure, but then make sure paths are correct for that too, asuming you using lvm2 |
| 23:17.35 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: I'm using lvm2 |
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| 23:17.56 | PeterFA | stew, its there. |
| 23:18.00 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: got a console, checking now ... |
| 23:18.02 | PeterFA | stew, I see init and I cat it. |
| 23:18.15 | PeterFA | stew, permission is executable. |
| 23:18.44 | stew | PeterFA: and the error you are getting is that there is no /init ? |
| 23:18.51 | PeterFA | stew, yeah. |
| 23:19.03 | indro | PeterFA: how i get that howto? |
| 23:19.12 | PeterFA | indro, msg dpkg about it. |
| 23:19.25 | PeterFA | !tell indro kde4 |
| 23:19.30 | PeterFA | Whatever. |
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| 23:20.14 | indro | oww |
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| 23:20.55 | indro | dpkg is gone |
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| 23:21.30 | craigevil | indro: http://kde42.debian.net/ |
| 23:21.51 | indro | craigevil: tnx |
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| 23:22.32 | indro | wish me good luck ;) |
| 23:23.32 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: vgdisplay don't give the same path : /dev/vgMain/root - while in grub I have /dev/mapper/vgMain-root |
| 23:23.36 | indro | updating right now |
| 23:23.44 | |Treuf| | djace: |
| 23:23.57 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: I have /dev/mapper/vgMain-root though |
| 23:24.20 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, on a debian system /dev/mapper is the way to go |
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| 23:24.47 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: ok, i'm pretty new to lvm actually |
| 23:24.57 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, np |
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| 23:25.19 | PeterFA | http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch <-- stew, do you think that omitting "kernel_headers" would cause this? |
| 23:25.34 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
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| 23:27.04 | morfol | hey, i m looking for a pyqt (python qt bindings) and cant find anything at debian repos. anyone got a clue? thats the error msg i m getting ImportError: No module named qt |
| 23:27.21 | morfol | i got everything installed that is pyqt related out of the repos |
| 23:27.55 | bluetoof | Hello. I'm almost positive that I'm typing in the correct passphrase (I've been using it for over 6 months), but when I do 'cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sda2_crypt' and type what I think it is I get a message saying 'bad passphrase or option?'. I get this message after 3 attempts (which is what I would expect from the wrong passphrase not the wrong options - which I haven't changed in the awhile.). I've tried multiple kernels and |
| 23:27.56 | bluetoof | rescue mode on the debian installer (lenny beta 1, I think, which will automatically detected encrypted partitions). Is there anything that could be causing this aside from a blow to the head? |
| 23:28.08 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: thanks for the link. |
| 23:28.17 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, yw |
| 23:28.24 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: the UUID I have mentionned in the grub params don't correspond to anything |
| 23:28.46 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: not sure if this could be an issue |
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| 23:28.58 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of dominika) |
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| 23:29.01 | themill | dpkg, wb |
| 23:29.02 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 23:29.33 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, http://www.haifux.org/lectures/153/node17.html |
| 23:29.45 | morfol | nvm just got it ,) |
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| 23:30.38 | bluetoof | also, 'cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda2' seems to have a valid key |
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| 23:33.30 | bluetoof | I did a dist-upgrade just before shutting down, but I don't remember seeing cryptsetup in there (and if that was broken during the dist-upgrade the rescue mode on the cd should have resolved that) |
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| 23:34.35 | rdz | hi all. when i try 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1' i get: /dev/hdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 23:34.54 | rdz | /dev/hdb1 is not mounted, as far as i can see. |
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| 23:35.25 | Elmaron | hi |
| 23:36.12 | Elmaron | I just accidentially had the installer start to download the desktop package because the very INTUITIVE handling treated my return key press as just continuing |
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| 23:36.38 | Elmaron | and as escape didn't do it, I just cut off the power to stop it downloading for 2 hours the stuff I don't want to have |
| 23:36.40 | Elmaron | now |
| 23:36.51 | Elmaron | I just want to setup grub and start the very basic system in its current state |
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| 23:37.27 | Elmaron | but when starting up the installer it 1.) wants to repartition everything and when I managed to convince it that it isn't supposed to it 2.) attempts to download the whole base system again(!!) and install it a second time |
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| 23:37.48 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: I wanted to try grub2 - I'll give grub1 a try ... |
| 23:37.50 | Elmaron | whatever I do, it insists on doing that instead of allowing me to just setting up grub so I can just start the damn system |
| 23:37.55 | Elmaron | so what shall I do?? |
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| 23:38.02 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: maybe I should try with this first. |
| 23:38.14 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, i never dared to try grub2 (yet) |
| 23:38.56 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, maybe i smell a bug in it, in this case, watch carefully ;) |
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| 23:41.22 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: the recovery console is nice ... but everything don't work that well - missing /dev among other things |
| 23:41.43 | Elmaron | does someone have an idea? |
| 23:42.18 | Elmaron | is the installer planned to do less authoritive thinking for me and instead letting the users just install grub if they want to so they don't get locked out of their system? |
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| 23:42.58 | alex___ | if you want grub, the option is there |
| 23:42.58 | ebilpanda | hello |
| 23:43.00 | dazjorz | Elmaron: you can always start the installer with 'expert' |
| 23:43.08 | dazjorz | it gives you all the options :) |
| 23:43.25 | Elmaron | how? |
| 23:43.26 | dazjorz | other than that, you could try for yourself, in a virtual machine or so :) |
| 23:43.26 | Elmaron | I am using the net installation/text installer |
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| 23:43.39 | dusk | cml-expert |
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| 23:43.42 | dusk | i think |
| 23:43.47 | dusk | cli-expert |
| 23:43.51 | dazjorz | Elmaron: when it boots, you should get a boot prompt asking you to enter boot mode, if you enter "expert", you go into expert mode |
| 23:43.55 | dusk | Elmaron: ^ |
| 23:44.03 | dazjorz | maybe it's something else in the lenny version, as dusk is saying |
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| 23:44.17 | dusk | Elmaron: type F2 when the netcd boots |
| 23:44.21 | dusk | will give you all the options |
| 23:44.45 | Elmaron | ok lemme try |
| 23:44.49 | Elmaron | I really hope that fixes it, because downloading it all again would be SO annoying >.< |
| 23:44.54 | Elmaron | brb |
| 23:45.00 | dusk | all 10 megs of it |
| 23:45.07 | dusk | oh, the arcive |
| 23:45.08 | dusk | h |
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| 23:45.26 | ebilpanda | a fresh install of debian-testing will not boot. Apparently it can't mount the root filesystem at startup and can't find a /root directory to mount other stuff under it. How do fix this? |
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| 23:47.54 | dusk | ebilpanda: does a /root dir exist? |
| 23:47.55 | Elmaron | the expert mode didnt help at all |
| 23:48.07 | dusk | Elmaron: what exactly are you trying to do |
| 23:48.08 | Elmaron | it says it depends on a base installation which depends on a partitioning |
| 23:48.20 | Elmaron | dusk: my system is setup, I just need grub on it |
| 23:48.24 | dusk | oh |
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| 23:48.31 | Elmaron | yes, "oh" >.< |
| 23:48.40 | Elmaron | bad installer :/ that is imho a real flaw |
| 23:48.46 | ebilpanda | dusk: apparently not; it attempts to mount stuff under /root but fails with "no such file or directory" |
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| 23:49.24 | dusk | ebilpanda: what kind of partitioning did you do |
| 23:49.26 | Elmaron | I have windows ready and a debian ready, I just cannot boot it as there is no grub |
| 23:49.41 | Rawplayer | then its not ready |
| 23:49.42 | dusk | Elmaron: ive never had that problem |
| 23:49.43 | Elmaron | and the installer doesn't want to have me set it up before it has reinstalled the whole base system |
| 23:49.57 | dusk | Elmaron: it never gave you the option to install grub? |
| 23:50.00 | ebilpanda | dusk: guided and automatic; about 900M for debian and 100M for swap |
| 23:50.07 | upIRC | Elmaron, have you tried the grub disc. google grubdisck |
| 23:50.11 | rdz | even after using fdisk to rewrite the partition table, i cannot create an ext3fs on /dev/hdb1. i get: /dev/hdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here! |
| 23:50.22 | Elmaron | dusk: the intuitive interface (*cough*) has enter as continuing the whole dialog |
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| 23:50.28 | dutchfish | Elmaron, 1. You cant resume a rebooted system for install 2. You would not need to reboot 3. You can interupt the installer in a second console |
| 23:50.29 | rdz | how can it be in use after having freshly created it? |
| 23:50.39 | Elmaron | so I accidentially had it starting download a lot of software in the software package dialog after setting up the base system |
| 23:51.03 | Elmaron | and thats why I forced it to stop, and now i want to have that system just started and continue myself with apt-get |
| 23:51.12 | MariachiAC | hello. is there a website that exlapins how to use debootstrap and walk me through the process? I'm trying to install Debian onto a laptp using a live cd with speech support. |
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| 23:51.17 | dusk | apt-get install grub? |
| 23:51.21 | EugenMayer | hello i have a general HTTP protocol question. What could break, if is set some custom headers in my http response ( server sided ) like "action = foo" ? |
| 23:51.21 | Elmaron | hah |
| 23:51.22 | Elmaron | yes |
| 23:51.32 | Elmaron | dusk: if I had a chance to even start the system :o |
| 23:51.39 | Elmaron | how can I start it without grub? |
| 23:51.43 | dusk | so put the disk back in, it's one of the last options |
| 23:51.44 | Elmaron | the one which is now on my hard disk |
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| 23:52.06 | Elmaron | yes, the disk is ready, the system is on it, but only windows boots, there is no boot manager that recognises linux |
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| 23:52.20 | dusk | ya windows took over the mbr |
| 23:52.29 | dutchfish | Elmaron, if you pratition are ok, just boot the in rescue mode, mount the / and do your stuff |
| 23:52.30 | Elmaron | no, linux never took over the mbr itself |
| 23:52.37 | upIRC | bootpart can boot linux |
| 23:52.45 | dusk | linux wont take over mbr, grub will |
| 23:52.50 | Elmaron | dutchfish huh ok.... will apt-get install grub work on rescue mode? |
| 23:52.56 | dusk | it should |
| 23:53.14 | Elmaron | hm ok... I'll give it a try |
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| 23:53.33 | upIRC | elmaron bootpart dual boot xp and linux |
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| 23:54.55 | pasky | Hi! On lenny, can I upgrade a single package while some packages have currently unresolved dependencies etc.? |
| 23:54.58 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: reinstalling with grub1 - everything was too messy |
| 23:55.12 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, oh, ok |
| 23:55.34 | upIRC | elmaron,you simply did not set the boot flag correctly |
| 23:55.43 | pasky | I got stuck on etch -> lenny upgrade, mount won't upgrade because NFS shares are mounted (and I really cannot unmount them), saying that nfs-common needs to be upgraded first - but I don't know how to do that while mount upgrade is in progress from dpkg view now. |
| 23:56.28 | dutchfish | pasky, you did boot form NFS? |
| 23:56.36 | dutchfish | s.form/from |
| 23:56.46 | upIRC | elmaron, maybe run the installer again and change the boot flag, |
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| 23:57.03 | pasky | dutchfish: no |
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| 23:57.21 | dutchfish | pasky, then you should be able to umount it |
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| 23:58.04 | pasky | as I said, that's unfortunately really not an option right now :( |
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| 23:58.16 | Elmaron | apt-get install grub worked |
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| 23:58.22 | Elmaron | but still there is only windows booting :x |
| 23:58.22 | pasky | there is no way to just upgrade single package while others have unresolve ddependencies? :( |
| 23:58.35 | Elmaron | probably some other command I need to execute to make grub actually take over the mbr? |
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| 23:58.48 | dutchfish | pasky, i dont know if this works, but can you aptitude reinstall nfs-common in a second console? |
| 23:59.00 | themill | pasky: you're trying to upgrade between debian releases but you can't schedule some downtime on the machine to do so? |
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