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| 00:01.09 | pasky | dutchfish: wow, that went curious: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the nfs-common package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 00:01.50 | pasky | dutchfish: even doing aptitude download nfs-common before doesn't help |
| 00:01.50 | dutchfish | pasky, was there a pin or manual install of nfs-common? |
| 00:01.59 | pasky | certainly not |
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| 00:02.18 | dutchfish | pasky, ->lenny 32bit? |
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| 00:02.44 | pasky | yes... 32bit before, 32bit now |
| 00:02.57 | dutchfish | pasky, was it installed? |
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| 00:03.20 | pasky | ii nfs-common 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1 NFS support files common to client and server |
| 00:03.32 | dutchfish | pasky, looks sane |
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| 00:04.07 | dutchfish | pasky, did you upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade ? |
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| 00:04.29 | themill | pasky: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy nfs-common" for us? |
| 00:04.45 | jpinx | anyone know how to identify the chipset of a USB modem. lsusb lists it as Bus 005 Device 005:ID 047e:2893 Agere Systems, Inc. (Lucent) |
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| 00:06.23 | pasky | themill: http://paste.debian.net/26430/ |
| 00:06.54 | pasky | I guess I should give up on the nfs shares after all... but i'm getting determined to oversmart apt by now too :) |
| 00:07.22 | dutchfish | darn etchandahalf |
| 00:07.38 | jpinx | I am trying to get an EeePc with Lenny connected through a usb dial-up modem. |
| 00:08.24 | pasky | aptitude reinstall just appears to be broken, reinstalling initscripts does not work either |
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| 00:09.02 | x1250 | I'm trying to use ssh-copy-id, but I have my ssh server listening in another port. I read the man, but it has no option to specify the port. What should I do? |
| 00:09.42 | themill | x1250: if you configure ssh in your ~/.ssh/config then you can specify the port there |
| 00:10.07 | x1250 | themill, ok, thanks |
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| 00:10.57 | jpinx | anyone know the # for debian on an eeepc? |
| 00:11.16 | infinity1 | can someone tell me how DNS for thetech.org is working? the registered name servers don't work, but DNS resolves! very strange. |
| 00:11.20 | craigevil | #debian-eeepc |
| 00:11.31 | jpinx | craigevil: thanks |
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| 00:11.52 | craigevil | you might get more help in #eeepc its usually a bt busier |
| 00:12.58 | jpinx | thanks - there is a channel on the debian server that was good, but I'v forgotten the name |
| 00:12.58 | dutchfish | pasky, i have no clue how to solve this 1) you have multimedia repo 2) you have at least some of etchandahalf, this might result in a hassle to solve this |
| 00:14.04 | pasky | dutchfish: somehow, I don't know if I really forgot to try something as obvious as that or if I changed something, but in the end aptitude install nfs-common just worked - it removed gnome-desktop-environment and some its deps, but I just installed it again afterwards |
| 00:14.19 | pasky | yay... so much fun and I didn't even get to aptitude full-upgrade yet ;) |
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| 00:14.43 | themill | pasky: Did you read the lenny release notes? |
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| 00:15.54 | dutchfish | pasky, and read about aptitude modus --safe-upgrade etc... |
| 00:16.01 | themill | pasky: specifically, I mean http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#nfs-common |
| 00:16.26 | themill | pasky: if you did and it didn't work, then please file a bug against the release-notes pseudopackage. |
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| 00:19.16 | pasky | themill: no, I simply did not find that document :( - I did google for release notes before upgrading but was content with http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2008/20081112 |
| 00:19.26 | pasky | themill: how does one normally reach that document? |
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| 00:20.14 | |Treuf| | dutchfish: fixed ... don't use grub2 yet ! ;) |
| 00:20.25 | themill | pasky: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 00:20.26 | dutchfish | |Treuf|, oki |
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| 00:20.46 | Gigantic | !party |
| 00:20.47 | dpkg | somebody said party was Lego, and alcohol |
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| 00:21.44 | pasky | themill: oh... i must have overlooked that... thanks |
| 00:22.06 | dutchfish | Gigantic, i thought it was SDR (not neccesarely in that order) |
| 00:22.08 | pasky | i think google does not rank it high since http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes does not contain the string "lenny" |
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| 00:22.22 | pasky | hmm, wait, it does - but not in the headline ;) |
| 00:23.05 | Gigantic | heh |
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| 00:26.02 | pasky | hmm, what a pity i have not found this earlier :( the upgrade routine described there looks much snaer :( |
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| 00:31.47 | goerg | module-assistant build zd1211 spits with error on line 80 at http://pastebin.ca/1312892 - any ideas? |
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| 00:33.08 | Gigantic | does the apt server authenticate? |
| 00:33.22 | Gigantic | mean. check for signature |
| 00:33.31 | themill | !secure apt |
| 00:33.32 | dpkg | i guess secure apt is http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 00:33.55 | Gigantic | danke |
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| 00:38.47 | owen1 | is there text-based audio player that shows list of songs in folder and can play all of them? |
| 00:38.56 | Gigantic | ah btw, why is there an ad 64 apart of the ia64? |
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| 00:39.11 | Gigantic | s/ad 64/ amd64 |
| 00:39.43 | Gigantic | owen1: can't you ls ? |
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| 00:39.50 | jaimesilva | I don't know why it is so hard to companies like skype and google to produce software for amd64 if almost every personal computer used today is an amd64 |
| 00:40.07 | themill | Gigantic: /msg dpkg ia64 ; /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 00:40.54 | owen1 | Gigantic: i want it to play all songs in a folder. can mplayer do it? |
| 00:41.00 | Gigantic | ahh |
| 00:41.18 | Gigantic | owen1: mplayer ./*.mp3 |
| 00:41.19 | owen1 | Gigantic: just like regular playlist manager |
| 00:41.23 | Gigantic | I prefer vlc tho |
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| 00:41.31 | owen1 | Gigantic: mmm..i guess it can work. |
| 00:41.48 | owen1 | Gigantic: isn't mplayer leaner in memory/cpu? |
| 00:41.58 | Gigantic | yes |
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| 00:43.30 | jaimesilva | Gigantic: have you searched for mp3 players?: apt-cache search mp3 player |
| 00:44.08 | Gigantic | jaimesilva: well x86 apps run even under 64bits arch, and most of those apps can't make any really important use of the 64 bits at a level that can be perceived |
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| 00:45.25 | jaimesilva | Gigantic: yes but you have to search and install all the missing ia32 libraries with tools like ia32-apt-get and so. Is not as easy as the usual: apt-get install whatever |
| 00:46.03 | Gigantic | they think it is economically unviable |
| 00:46.29 | jaimesilva | And then there is the iceweasel plugins problem that is not as easy to circunvent as installing an application |
| 00:47.05 | Gigantic | that's like talking with the oranges on why does my friend has peckles |
| 00:47.36 | jaimesilva | Tell me about it, how about Google claiming to be all open-source and almost all their desktop software is windows only, maybe mac |
| 00:48.13 | Gigantic | who cares about Google software but for GoogleEarth anyways... |
| 00:48.23 | Gigantic | later |
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| 00:48.35 | jaimesilva | gtalk video |
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| 00:50.29 | CpR_ | skecthup |
| 00:50.34 | jaimesilva | Is a pain in the a... not to be able to do video conference with my family and some friend 'cause they won't use anything that didn't came preinstaled |
| 00:50.59 | vaiha | tesseract |
| 00:51.22 | stu8ball | I will probably use Chromium when it comes out for GNU/Linux and if it's decent. |
| 00:51.38 | stu8ball | The one process per tab thing would be hot when combined with cryopid. |
| 00:51.42 | pobega | Chromium is coming out for GNU/Linux? |
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| 00:51.48 | stu8ball | Eventually. |
| 00:51.51 | stu8ball | God knows when. |
| 00:52.10 | infinity1 | 1 |
| 00:52.40 | owen1 | jaimesilva: apt-cache search mp3 player console great advice |
| 00:53.37 | jaimesilva | Maybe after they release picassa (native), sketchup, gtalk and the gtalk video plugin (with amd64 versions included) |
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| 00:54.21 | stu8ball | No, Chromium for Linux will come before those, because it's free software. |
| 00:54.34 | stu8ball | The community can, and presumably are, help(ing) out. |
| 00:54.37 | abrotman | jaimesilva: the uh license doesn't allow redistribution i don't think |
| 00:54.50 | stu8ball | It's BSD licensed I think. |
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| 00:55.29 | jaimesilva | I was trying empathy today, the audio works fine |
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| 00:55.41 | jaimesilva | for google talk, I mean |
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| 00:56.28 | jaimesilva | Is a shame gtalk uses a licensed codec to transmit video, and they didn't use the jingle protocol I understand |
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| 00:57.14 | jaimesilva | Is always the same thing, comunication works in parts |
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| 00:57.48 | jaimesilva | if you can talk you can't watch, and if you can watch you can't talk as with amsn |
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| 00:58.34 | jaimesilva | the only thing working full, until now, is skype |
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| 00:59.06 | sundaymorning | Writing is the most fun |
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| 00:59.16 | _damus_ | HAPPY JAMES EARL RAY APRECIATION DAY EVERY ONE!!!!!! |
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| 00:59.45 | stew | _damus_: feel free to /msg me if you decide you have something debian related |
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| 01:00.46 | jaimesilva | but when you need to talk (videoconference) to people that only knows "messenger" (refering to msn messenger) and think that it is the only solution out there then the problems begin |
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| 01:01.06 | Athunye | Hello. |
| 01:01.55 | jaimesilva | they always say: "But why can't you just use messenger!? why must I dl/install/create an account and login with skype!?" |
| 01:02.17 | Athunye | Do you recomment Etch or Lenny for a server ruining samba and acting as as gateway/firewal ? |
| 01:02.51 | abrotman | etch |
| 01:02.58 | jaimesilva | I think that stable is the best choice for an unattended machine |
| 01:03.53 | Athunye | OK. I'll have text-mode only. I was thinking in Etch as well. |
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| 01:04.35 | Iradieh | I get No such file or directory - getcwd |
| 01:04.41 | Iradieh | I must have screwed something up, |
| 01:04.45 | Iradieh | Could someone please help me |
| 01:04.57 | Iradieh | hell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 01:05.00 | Iradieh | job-working-directory: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 01:05.19 | jaimesilva | Iradieh: use the #flood channel for that |
| 01:05.37 | jaimesilva | well, I think that is the rule around here |
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| 01:06.06 | Iradieh | Well or help me out please sorta lost whats broken |
| 01:06.33 | jaimesilva | Iradieh: maybe you are in a unmounted directory, try going back to home: "cd" |
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| 01:07.00 | jaimesilva | or in an erased directory |
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| 01:08.04 | eh-heap | Hello ya'll.. I'm wondering if someone could point me into the right direction; looking for how to add options to new kernel releases. When there's an kernel update, modules && grub gets updated.. can I add options to auto-grub-menu.lst? Like vga=lol |
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| 01:08.59 | jaimesilva | eh-heap: yes you can |
| 01:10.19 | stew | eh-heap: look at the #kopt= line and the comments surrounding it |
| 01:10.20 | jaimesilva | look in the comments after: BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 01:10.30 | eh-heap | I meant, "how would I tell whatever is refreshing the GRUB boot list options to also add the parameters I want, when it refreshes/updates kernel/modules/menu.lst" |
| 01:10.32 | Saz|Laptop | when installing drivers for my ralink card, what do I need to do with the firmware |
| 01:10.33 | stew | eh-heap: note that you should not remove the leading # from the #kopt= line |
| 01:10.44 | jaimesilva | in the default menu.lst it is self explanatory |
| 01:10.51 | pobega | Does anyone have any clue if there is some sort of hyperthreaded optimization in the Linux kernel? (I know this is a bit OT but I'm just wondering) |
| 01:10.52 | eh-heap | Won't that get removed after a refresh? |
| 01:10.59 | stew | eh-heap: no |
| 01:11.07 | stew | Saz|Laptop: put it in /lib/firmware |
| 01:11.13 | Saz|Laptop | alright |
| 01:11.30 | Saz|Laptop | also does the debian installer come with ntfs read support out of the box |
| 01:11.42 | stew | Saz|Laptop: yes |
| 01:11.45 | Saz|Laptop | thought so |
| 01:11.52 | Saz|Laptop | saves me the trouble of isntalling ext2 drivers |
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| 01:12.21 | eh-heap | stew, jaimesilva: alright, thanks! I've added the parameters to menu.lst's "# kopt=". What's refreshing the menu.lst file, so I can check that it'd add it? |
| 01:12.37 | Saz|Laptop | alright, let me get these drivers installed |
| 01:12.38 | jaimesilva | Saz|Laptop: you must install ntfs-3g |
| 01:13.05 | Saz|Laptop | jaimesilva, ntfs-3g is for read/write support i thought |
| 01:13.05 | stew | eh-heap: after editing the #kopt= line, run "update-grub" to have it update the kernel entries |
| 01:13.07 | Saz|Laptop | i just want read support |
| 01:13.12 | stew | Saz|Laptop: yes, you don't need ntfs-3g |
| 01:13.19 | jaimesilva | eh-heap: update-grub |
| 01:13.26 | eh-heap | stew: Sweet, I was almost onto that.. :-) Thanks! |
| 01:13.32 | eh-heap | thanks jaimesilva :p |
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| 01:14.26 | jaimesilva | Saz|Laptop: then you don't need ntfs-3g you got read support "out of the box" |
| 01:15.06 | Saz|Laptop | jaimesilva, that was my question :P |
| 01:15.30 | jaimesilva | Saz|Laptop: then the answer is: "YES" |
| 01:15.43 | jaimesilva | ;) |
| 01:15.52 | Saz|Laptop | im sorry what was the answer? |
| 01:15.57 | Saz|Laptop | sounded like you said maybe |
| 01:16.03 | Saz|Laptop | :P |
| 01:16.04 | jaimesilva | HEHEHEHE |
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| 01:17.19 | bmoll8 | i have been reading about ubuntu for the past couple of hours...it seems like madness how much they change the os from month to month...how does anyone ever configure it |
| 01:17.25 | jaimesilva | is dreaming for the day the ultimate solution to videoconference with everyone comes to Linux |
| 01:17.45 | bmoll8 | i come from the fbsd world; once you learn something about the system, it stays with you and will be useful for a long time |
| 01:18.00 | bmoll8 | i find that debian is similar, but i might be mistaken |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | bmoll8: if oyu want to know about ubuntu ask #ubuntu, if you want to know about debian, ask here |
| 01:18.31 | Saz|Laptop | bmoll8, debian stable releases come once every couple years |
| 01:18.48 | Saz|Laptop | whereas ubuntu has a "stable" release twice a year |
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| 01:19.09 | Saz|Laptop | that said, debian stable releases rarely change in usability from release to release |
| 01:19.14 | Saz|Laptop | everything is just newer |
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| 01:19.47 | jaimesilva | also wants 3D support in qcad |
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| 01:20.57 | Saz|Laptop | anyway restarting |
| 01:21.00 | eh-heap | Alright, I'll have to go. Thanks for your quick assistance jaimesilva & stew! Cheers! |
| 01:21.12 | stew | cheers |
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| 01:22.56 | Iradieh | jaimesilva: heh thanks |
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| 01:26.14 | jaimesilva | over and out |
| 01:26.18 | jaimesilva | /quit |
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| 01:29.03 | jaimesilva | I guess /quit doesn't work in empathy :D |
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| 01:30.21 | jaimesilva | I need a good url to read |<()()()|_ linux news and gadget news any suggestions? |
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| 01:30.44 | jelly-home | !nickometer |<()()()|_ |
| 01:30.45 | dpkg | '|<()()()|_' is 99.9875% lame, jelly-home |
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| 01:30.59 | nullboy | hello, I have a Sun v120 and I managed to get it to netboot the etch boot.img. I partitioned the first scsi disk and i get this message but i don't seem to see any way for me to change that label: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9824 |
| 01:31.11 | nullboy | i'm connected via serial cable as it is |
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| 01:32.17 | jelly-home | nullboy: so, go back and make a sun boot label instead of a dos p.table |
| 01:32.31 | nullboy | jelly-home: i don't see how to do that in the installer |
| 01:32.39 | nullboy | is it there? |
| 01:32.40 | jelly-home | nullboy: me neither! |
| 01:32.44 | nullboy | lol |
| 01:32.53 | jelly-home | nullboy: "sun disk label" is a partition table format |
| 01:32.58 | nullboy | i know |
| 01:33.24 | jelly-home | in Solaris, you'd do it with "format" (imaginative!) |
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| 01:33.39 | nullboy | this unit has zeroed disks |
| 01:33.53 | jelly-home | no idea what Linux uses; I'd guess fdisk would be able to do it as well |
| 01:34.27 | jelly-home | nullboy: a sparc-specific channel would likely know more |
| 01:34.32 | Skapare | is there a meta package to install a full C/ObjC/C++ development environment with major libs? |
| 01:34.36 | nullboy | i/join #debian-sparc |
| 01:34.38 | nullboy | oops |
| 01:34.59 | nullboy | invite only..that's wonderful |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | Skapare: build-essential is a good start .. but each person needs different things from a developement enviironment, so not *everything* is there |
| 01:35.25 | jelly-home | nullboy: don't limit yourself to debian! :-) |
| 01:35.35 | Skapare | abrotman: enough to build most things from source code |
| 01:35.39 | jelly-home | !sparc |
| 01:35.39 | dpkg | well, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 01:35.40 | nullboy | well if slackware had a port i'd be using it |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | Skapare: hardly .. what are you trying to compile |
| 01:35.54 | nullboy | #debian-sparc is invite only |
| 01:35.56 | jelly-home | nullboy: says it moved to irc.debian.org |
| 01:35.59 | nullboy | ok |
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| 01:36.59 | VolVE | Hey all, any idea why running tar from cli generates a tgz of a directory just fine, but sticking the same tar call into cron generates a tgz that's only 20b - 52k ? :/ |
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| 01:37.09 | Skapare | abrotman: the entire toolchain itself (compiler, linker, binutils) + every C program I've ever written |
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| 01:37.20 | Skapare | abrotman: plus kernel |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | Skapare: you're going to compile the toolchain ? |
| 01:37.41 | jelly-home | VolVE: did that tar cronjob produce any output? |
| 01:37.41 | Skapare | abrotman: eventually, yes |
| 01:37.58 | jelly-home | VolVE: do you get a mail? |
| 01:38.04 | VolVE | jelly-home: well I was wondering how to check for output without having an mta installed... |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | Skapare: are you sure debian is the distro you want? what's the point of using a packaged distro if you're going to overwrite it with compiled stuff ? |
| 01:38.13 | jelly-home | VolVE: install a mta. |
| 01:38.22 | VolVE | jelly-home: you and your crazy ideas ;) |
| 01:38.28 | dutchfish | !lfs |
| 01:38.28 | dpkg | i heard lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch>, or the Log-structured File System in NetBSD |
| 01:38.30 | Skapare | abrotman: i'm not going to overwrite it ... I'm going to add to it |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | Skapare: debian has a toolchain |
| 01:38.46 | Skapare | abrotman: e.g. multiple compiler versions |
| 01:39.10 | jelly-home | weirdos without local mail services. |
| 01:39.12 | VolVE | jelly-home: ok so I'll throw on postfix, but output from older cronjobs isn't logged anywhere? |
| 01:39.23 | Skapare | abrotman: I'm going to be doing all this with gentoo, slackware, and netbsd, too |
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| 01:39.37 | jelly-home | VolVE: in the nonexisting mails! |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | Skapare: debian has multiple compilers and multiple other bits in the system already |
| 01:39.49 | VolVE | bah! |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | Skapare: and why would you build all that stuff, i can't imagine your users would do the same |
| 01:40.29 | Skapare | abrotman: and that's fine ... but I'm going to be running an embedded builder that builds its own toolchains |
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| 01:41.28 | Skapare | abrotman: see http://landley.net/code/firmware/ |
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| 01:42.44 | Skapare | abrotman: plus porting all my programs to some of those archs |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | Skapare: you'll be interested in -dev packages mostly |
| 01:43.04 | Skapare | abrotman: mostly, yes |
| 01:43.06 | sundaymorning | Skapare: you can use apt-get build-dep to install the build dependencies from packages |
| 01:43.18 | Skapare | abrotman: I'm curious of someone made a "development essentials" meta |
| 01:43.20 | sundaymorning | after you've installed those for a few big packages you're probably set |
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| 01:43.46 | Skapare | abrotman: if it can build binutils, it's probably close enough |
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| 01:43.53 | Saz|Laptop | i completely forgot that debian doesnt come with build-essential |
| 01:43.54 | stew | Skapare: build-essential |
| 01:44.13 | Skapare | stew: merci, danke, takk, thanks |
| 01:44.20 | Saz|Laptop | is there a way I can download all the packages build-essential provides without having access to the internet on my linux box |
| 01:44.29 | Saz|Laptop | like, is there a listing of all the debs so I can download them all |
| 01:44.38 | stew | Saz|Laptop: have a look at the apt-zip pacakge |
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| 01:45.05 | Saz|Laptop | stew, i have no internet on my linux install, i need to download files on my windows box and transfer them over to linuxs |
| 01:45.09 | Saz|Laptop | *linux |
| 01:45.20 | Saz|Laptop | i need make/gcc to build my ralink drivers |
| 01:45.29 | stew | Saz|Laptop: i'd recomend looking at the apt-zip package |
| 01:46.00 | sundaymorning | Saz|Laptop: not sure, but I think disc 1 and 2 should cover most of that stuff |
| 01:46.03 | sundaymorning | if not all |
| 01:46.09 | Skapare | stew: I'll start with that and try building stuff and see what else I have to add on |
| 01:46.16 | Saz|Laptop | sundaymorning, I used the goodbye-microsoft installer |
| 01:46.51 | Saz|Laptop | stew, like I said, I need a windows solution :/ |
| 01:47.06 | Saz|Laptop | no wait |
| 01:47.13 | Saz|Laptop | i have a spare debian server with internet access |
| 01:47.19 | Maior | hmm, is there any sort of Rosetta Stone for different GNU/Linux distributions? I'm migrating from Mandriva to Debian, starting about now |
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| 01:48.40 | sundaymorning | I don't know what installer is that, but if you can transfer .isos to your debian system you can install stuff using the CDs |
| 01:48.48 | _adrenaline | Hey guys I have been running a centos server for years. My hard drives are dying and I need a new server. I am debating between trying a debian server or a fedora server can you give me some pro's on debian servers? |
| 01:48.56 | stew | Saz|Laptop: yes, i understand that you need a solution for windows. I'd recommend looking into apt-zip |
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| 01:49.40 | Saz|Laptop | stew, so I'll most likely need cygwin |
| 01:49.49 | Saz|Laptop | I |
| 01:49.58 | Saz|Laptop | I'll just apt-get -d them on my debian server |
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| 01:50.26 | _adrenaline | likes andLinux better than cyqwin |
| 01:50.36 | _adrenaline | cygwin |
| 01:51.17 | stew | Saz|Laptop: what are you going to use cygwin for exactly? |
| 01:51.46 | Saz|Laptop | well how would i run apt-zip in windows |
| 01:51.54 | stew | Saz|Laptop: you wouldn't |
| 01:52.00 | Maior | presumably you run the fetch script it generates |
| 01:52.01 | Saz|Laptop | unless apt-zip doesnt grab a bunch of packages and zip it up like im thinking it does |
| 01:52.27 | stew | Saz|Laptop: did you look at what apt-zip does? |
| 01:53.09 | Saz|Laptop | stew, i just installed it on my server |
| 01:53.15 | Saz|Laptop | im gonna check the manpage |
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| 01:54.48 | stew | Saz|Laptop: check /usr/share/doc/apt-zip/ as well |
| 01:55.05 | nullboy | jelly-home: i just let it partition itself and it worked |
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| 01:57.58 | ferret_0567 | when is Debian 5.0 going to be released as stable? |
| 01:58.07 | stew | ferret_0567: as soon as it is ready |
| 01:58.24 | stew | ferret_0567: the things that aren't ready currently are a final version of the installer, and there are about 100 bugs |
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| 02:02.02 | ferret_0567 | how do I access all the Debian 5.0 bugs? |
| 02:02.15 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 02:02.15 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 02:04.30 | stew | ferret_0567: you'd want the bts.turmzimmer.net link |
| 02:05.22 | Saz|Laptop | stew, apt-zip doesnt seem to be what I want |
| 02:05.27 | Saz|Laptop | or im completly misunderstanding the manpage |
| 02:06.26 | stew | well i'm done trying to convince you that it is what you want |
| 02:08.24 | Saz|Laptop | stew, well I tried specifying like 8 different options, none of them are giving me a download list |
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| 02:08.30 | abrotman | dares stew to try one more time |
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| 02:10.57 | amirman | where can i find the conf file for the gui login? i need to add a wm manually |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | amirman: please ask #mepis or ##linux |
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| 02:11.22 | amirman | i installed debian |
| 02:11.26 | amirman | this is for debian |
| 02:11.27 | abrotman | in 2 minutes? |
| 02:11.38 | amirman | great installation |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | amirman: please ask #mepis or ##linux |
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| 02:12.37 | amirman | #mepis has about 12 people in it, and asking in ##linux is odd since i'm asking about a package developed by and for debian. |
| 02:12.47 | stew | amirman: which package are you talking about? |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | and which version of that package |
| 02:13.00 | amirman | stew: the gui login |
| 02:13.03 | stew | amirman: which one? |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | stew: you know .. autologinX |
| 02:13.17 | amirman | if i knew the name of the package i would check in the terminal |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | that's what he told me on OFTC |
| 02:13.48 | amirman | i got the name autologinX from the debian wiki |
| 02:13.56 | amirman | i'm not sure if that's actually what it's called |
| 02:13.59 | stew | amirman: do you have a url? |
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| 02:14.10 | amirman | sure, just a second |
| 02:14.41 | brian17 | hello, i am trying to print to a windows printer on a different computer, I am running etch linux and my printer is supported by gutenprint. How do I set it up? |
| 02:14.48 | amirman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianRussian/autologinX?highlight=(login) |
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| 02:14.57 | amirman | warning: it's in russian |
| 02:15.43 | stew | amirman: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 gdm xdm kdm" ? |
| 02:15.50 | stew | amirman: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 02:16.00 | amirman | that's a seperate issue, i'm just looking for the location of a conf file or anything to direct me in the right direction |
| 02:16.10 | stew | amirman: the conf file for what? |
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| 02:16.37 | stew | amirman: if you are looking for the conffile of a display manager, we'd need to know which one |
| 02:16.58 | stew | amirman: please show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 gdm xdm kdm" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 02:17.15 | amirman | i'm loading the pastebin right now |
| 02:17.20 | amirman | oh ok cool |
| 02:17.23 | amirman | i'll do that |
| 02:18.49 | amirman | here it is http://paste.debian.net/26434/ |
| 02:19.28 | stew | amirman: so this is a freshly installed version of debian? |
| 02:19.34 | amirman | uh |
| 02:19.42 | stew | amirman: which installer did you use? |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | he's not using debian |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | something called AntiX, based on Mepis |
| 02:20.03 | amirman | ok ok, it's not debian, but as you can see the package is the one straight from debian repos |
| 02:20.05 | Saz|Laptop | yeah apt-zip-list doesnt seem to work if I already have build-essential installed on the machine Im running apt-zip on |
| 02:20.14 | stew | amirman: please go to #mepis for help with mepis |
| 02:20.23 | amirman | well thanks anyway |
| 02:20.24 | Saz|Laptop | apt-zip-list --aptgetaction=upgrade --packages=build-essential -m ~ -s |
| 02:20.24 | Saz|Laptop | The download size is 0 in 0 files. |
| 02:20.37 | amirman | i guess no one knows where the conf file is |
| 02:20.53 | stew | amirman: "the conf file"? |
| 02:21.43 | amirman | stew: a configuration file where i can add WMs to the debian gui login |
| 02:21.53 | stew | amirman: nevermind, just please /join #mepis, and stop wasting people's time |
| 02:21.56 | brian17 | whats your DM? |
| 02:22.18 | stew | amirman: you aren't running "the debian gui login" |
| 02:22.44 | amirman | stew: that's odd, it comes from debian's repos and it's a gui that controls logging in |
| 02:22.50 | amirman | what would you call that? |
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| 02:23.02 | stew | amirman: it didn't come from debian's repos |
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| 02:23.08 | abrotman | you can't say that, you don't even know what it is, you can't say for certain where it came from |
| 02:23.19 | amirman | ftp.de.debian.org isn't one of debian's repos? |
| 02:23.29 | stew | amirman: you are in the wrong channel |
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| 02:23.41 | amirman | oh i thought this was #debian |
| 02:23.47 | stew | amirman: yes, it is not meps |
| 02:23.49 | stew | #mepis |
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| 02:24.03 | brian17 | amirman: what is your desktop manager |
| 02:24.12 | stew | brian17: if you want to help him, please do it in #mepis |
| 02:24.14 | amirman | oh i thought someone in #debian would know about a package from ftp.de.debian.org |
| 02:24.24 | stew | amirman: which package? |
| 02:24.26 | amirman | brian17 fluxbox |
| 02:24.46 | abrotman | that's not a DM |
| 02:24.54 | amirman | well i don't know which dm it is |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | go to #mepis, please |
| 02:25.08 | stew | amirman: then how do you know it came from ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 02:25.09 | brian17 | amirman: you should have something like xdm, gdm or kdm |
| 02:25.09 | amirman | if i knew , i would know where to find the conf file |
| 02:25.13 | amirman | i'm there |
| 02:25.14 | stew | brian17: he doesn't |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | brian17: go to #mepis with him |
| 02:25.18 | parodyoflanguage | abrotman, probably because he's not using one |
| 02:25.20 | amirman | it's as dead as abraham lincoln |
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| 02:25.29 | craigevil-eee | amirman: it uses slim |
| 02:25.29 | abrotman | parodyoflanguage: not our problem |
| 02:25.31 | stew | amirman: sorry we can't help you with that |
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| 02:25.39 | amirman | craigevil-eee, thanks so much |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | amirman: go to #mepis or ##linux, last request |
| 02:26.06 | amirman | abrotman: one of your kind members has helped me much. thank you craigevil-eee |
| 02:26.14 | parodyoflanguage | abrotman, sorry, I came in mid-discussioon. *bows out* |
| 02:26.17 | craigevil-eee | if you bothered to read the wiki it says it |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | craigevil-eee: go to #mepis with him |
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| 02:26.40 | craigevil-eee | hell no i use debian |
| 02:26.46 | brian17 | lol |
| 02:27.16 | abrotman | so when you see people trying to send an off-topic person to the correct channel for help, you chime in? |
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| 02:28.14 | brian17 | amirman: /usr/etc/slim.conf |
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| 02:28.42 | craigevil-eee | the correct answer and hes gone, before that 5 minutes of trying to help and telling him to leave, which worked better |
| 02:28.57 | parodyoflanguage | abrotman, hey, I apologized. I thought you were trying to help him. |
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| 02:29.16 | abrotman | after his exit note on OFTC .. |
| 02:29.40 | brian17 | well |
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| 02:30.02 | craigevil-eee | sorry i have join/parts turned off takes up too much room |
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| 02:30.05 | brian17 | does anyone know how to setup a samba printer in cups |
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| 02:33.18 | brian17 | in the cups webconfig I am stumped when it asks for my "device" |
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| 02:34.21 | bush | brian17: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/CUPS-printing.html? |
| 02:34.28 | bush | minus the question mark |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | not that it would matter :) |
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| 02:36.50 | brian17 | amirman said he loves me :) |
| 02:37.11 | brian17 | the answer to his question was in one of the first paragraphs of the slim man |
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| 02:39.05 | amitz | how to enable connection from and to kvm virtual machine in virtual machine manager? Debian lenny. |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | brian17: DROP IT |
| 02:39.42 | brian17 | does anyone know where/how i can find individual drivers for gutenprint (i am trying to configure cups) |
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| 02:45.06 | bmoll8 | suppose I run rc-update my_script defaults--and then want to back up the new changes to my system. What folder do I need to backup? |
| 02:45.11 | ddalton | hey does anyone know what files under a users home directory control starting up of applications on startup of the gnome desktop? |
| 02:45.15 | bmoll8 | in freebsd, you would need to backup /etc/rc.conf |
| 02:45.22 | ddalton | eg. the program loads as soon as gnome loads. |
| 02:45.40 | abrotman | you mean update-rc.d ? |
| 02:45.45 | bmoll8 | abrotman: yes, excuse me |
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| 02:46.12 | bmoll8 | abrotman: I would like to back up some sort of text file that reflects the changes to the system that update-rc.d provokes |
| 02:46.16 | abrotman | bmoll8: i mean .. the /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rc?.d/ have the scripts and symlinks .. is that what you're lookign for? |
| 02:46.34 | bmoll8 | abrotman: i guess so |
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| 02:46.51 | bmoll8 | abrotman: it's just a bit different from what I'm used to |
| 02:47.06 | bmoll8 | so, when you run update-rc.d, it places symlinks in update-rc.d? |
| 02:47.15 | bmoll8 | er, /etc/init.d |
| 02:47.19 | abrotman | in /etc/rc?.d/ i think you mean |
| 02:47.26 | bmoll8 | abrotman: yes |
| 02:47.56 | abrotman | i don't think that update-rc.d stores your choices anywhere else |
| 02:48.29 | bmoll8 | abrotman: and what if I install a package like nfs--will the binaries be stored in /etc or /usr/local/etc? |
| 02:48.39 | bmoll8 | oh, sorry, /usr/local/bin |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | an official debian package won't use /usr/local/* |
| 02:49.15 | bmoll8 | so, it uses /bin, I assume |
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| 02:49.52 | bmoll8 | i guess that would make sense, since the os seems to be a concatenation of packages |
| 02:55.48 | Saz|Laptop | so all this time ive been trying to figure out apt-zip |
| 02:56.02 | Saz|Laptop | i could have just manually downloaded every package off of the website |
| 02:56.04 | Saz|Laptop | so screw it |
| 02:57.24 | fd_64 | hey, whats a good filemanager for fluxbox. Gnome used nautilus, and kde has their thing. Should I install nautilus on Fluxbox? |
| 02:57.32 | Tekno | pcmanfm |
| 02:57.48 | Tekno | but if you are used to nautilus, why not |
| 02:58.02 | Tekno | I like pcmanfm |
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| 02:59.46 | abrotman | fd_64: xfe is decent |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | a standard-ish two pane file manager |
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| 03:00.08 | abrotman | a2: HI |
| 03:00.26 | liable | give it a /msg after it cycles :D |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:00.53 | fd_64 | abrotman: I guess fluxbox dosent have a thinkg like that. Xfce might be able to run ok on that comp (its a slow one 700mhx) |
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| 03:00.57 | Saz|Laptop | yeah this whole concept is pretty redicioulous, theres no easy way to get the download list for a single deb file and its deps for wget |
| 03:01.16 | abrotman | fd_64: no .. "xfe" . it's a file manager .. nto XFCE |
| 03:01.16 | fd_64 | Tekno: wouldnt pcmanfm replace fluxbox? |
| 03:01.22 | Saz|Laptop | whatever, I'll just go through the debian website and manually get all 100 or so packages and depenencies |
| 03:01.31 | fd_64 | abrotman: /facepalm |
| 03:01.50 | abrotman | my irc client doesn't understand that command |
| 03:02.09 | liable | fd_64: pcmanfm is part of lxde. you might want to take a look at it |
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| 03:02.49 | Tekno | fd_64: no of course |
| 03:02.54 | Tekno | pcmanfm is file manager |
| 03:02.55 | craigevil | pcmanfm is awesome, i have gotten so used to using it that even when im in kde i use it before konq |
| 03:03.25 | brian17 | i'm using rox-filer |
| 03:03.39 | fd_64 | lxde does look pretty interesting |
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| 03:05.24 | brian17 | does anyone use jwm on debian |
| 03:06.16 | Saz|Laptop | ok better idea |
| 03:06.31 | Saz|Laptop | i'll just use vmware to boot into the debian install as a virtual machine |
| 03:06.44 | Saz|Laptop | thatll make my life easier |
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| 03:09.47 | J4k3 | YES |
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| 03:10.29 | liable | ohrly? |
| 03:11.54 | Maior | hmm, am I being silly - can I set up LUKS encryption with the installer (testing) |
| 03:12.03 | Maior | or is it just "bare" dm-crypt? |
| 03:12.43 | brian17 | is there a lightweight xdm alternative for etch |
| 03:12.53 | Tekno | slim |
| 03:13.20 | brian17 | i checked - its not available for etch |
| 03:13.24 | brian17 | unless backports exist |
| 03:13.31 | Tekno | okay |
| 03:13.45 | PeterFA | Why won't a kernel boot when it is configured to support initramfs and I have it installed when I know I have a valid initframfs and not be able to find /init? |
| 03:13.51 | brian17 | how do i search backports? |
| 03:14.00 | Tekno | packages.debian.org |
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| 03:14.34 | PeterFA | Would not building the headers and installing them have something to do with this? |
| 03:15.10 | brian17 | apt-get cache slim returned nothing :( |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | judd: versions slim |
| 03:15.38 | judd | abrotman: slim -- lenny: 1.3.0-1+lenny1 sid: 1.3.0-2 |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | brian17: debtags search x11::display-manager |
| 03:17.10 | brian17 | is that something to enter in bash? |
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| 03:20.07 | fd_64 | Just went to do a dist-upgrade and it said it would leave certain dependencies unresolved...do it anyway? |
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| 03:24.50 | hark | fd_64: no |
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| 03:28.34 | brian17 | what is etchnhalf? |
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| 03:29.11 | abrotman | !tell brian17 about etchnhalf |
| 03:29.43 | brian17 | so r6 is also etchnhalf? |
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| 03:30.08 | fd_64 | !tell fd_64 about etchnhalf |
| 03:30.27 | simonrvn | !tell fd_64 -about msg the bot |
| 03:32.25 | fd_64 | simonrvn: thanks |
| 03:33.57 | simonrvn | easier that way |
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| 03:37.26 | PeterFA | What is all I have to do to make a kernel use an initramfs image? |
| 03:37.47 | PeterFA | My custom kernel can find the image and it tries to find init in it, but it can't find it. |
| 03:37.56 | PeterFA | It always says it failed. |
| 03:37.57 | Tekno | did you compile it with --initrd |
| 03:38.02 | PeterFA | Yes. |
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| 03:38.15 | Tekno | strange then |
| 03:38.22 | PeterFA | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 03:38.25 | PeterFA | Or similar. |
| 03:38.39 | PeterFA | I've been working on this for a few days now. it's getting frustrating. |
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| 03:39.12 | Tekno | if you had filesystem drivers compiled in-kernel, you wouldn't even need initramfs image |
| 03:39.46 | Tekno | or do you have them in-kernel? |
| 03:39.52 | Tekno | so system boots without initrd |
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| 03:41.13 | PeterFA | No, they're not in kernel. |
| 03:41.59 | PeterFA | Do I need support for XIT filesystems? |
| 03:42.23 | Tekno | what's it? :P neverheard |
| 03:42.34 | PeterFA | It's a block layer device driver. |
| 03:42.43 | PeterFA | It has something to do with ram drives. |
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| 03:49.11 | goerg | module-assistant build zd1211-source errors with "make[3]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop." on my debian etch system and it is doing my nut in.. My full kernel source is at /usr/src/linux |
| 03:49.26 | goerg | custom 2.4 kernel |
| 03:50.11 | Maior | why does openssh-server appear to require all sorts of x11 crack? |
| 03:50.57 | abrotman | Maior: aptitude -R install openssh-server .. does that help ? |
| 03:51.04 | liable | goerg: can you run make in the source dir? whats in the makefile? |
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| 03:51.32 | Maior | abrotman: ...cheers! |
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| 03:51.46 | abrotman | Maior: it recommends xauth .. i'd guess that was pulling some x libraries |
| 03:51.52 | Maior | nodnod |
| 03:52.08 | Maior | worked out "suggested", didn't realise "recommended" existed |
| 03:52.54 | PeterFA | Tekno, so, you have no idea? |
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| 03:57.20 | goerg | liable, will try make and make modules in the source dir now |
| 03:57.29 | brian5555 | my sound just stopped working.... in alsa-mixer line is high enough that i should hear but it says off.... |
| 03:57.38 | kingsley2 | Is it better to write a pulseaudio module's acl as 192.0.0.0/24 than 192.168.50.0/24, which is currently at http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/Modules? |
| 03:57.52 | goerg | make spits with "make: /usr/local/opt/crosstool/arm-linux/gcc-3.3.4-glibc-2.3.2/bin/arm-linux-gcc: Command not found" |
| 03:58.10 | abrotman | kingsley2: those are pretty different |
| 03:58.29 | goerg | its an ARM kernel, must have been crosscompiled on x86 |
| 03:58.32 | goerg | will look into that |
| 03:58.35 | goerg | cheers |
| 03:59.05 | liable | change that line in the makefile to point at your gcc |
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| 03:59.24 | sooley | whats the cmd to change your password? |
| 03:59.29 | sooley | i forget ;_; |
| 03:59.29 | abrotman | passwd |
| 03:59.40 | Maior | bah, box has hung on boot |
| 03:59.52 | sooley | lol thx |
| 04:00.02 | ploo | anyone here good with parted? |
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| 04:00.11 | Maior | Killing all remaining processes...failed. \n Stopping portmap daemon... |
| 04:00.37 | nvz | thats not boot thats shutdown. |
| 04:00.44 | Maior | ....ardf |
| 04:00.47 | Maior | yes, it is, sorry |
| 04:00.54 | Maior | it's 0400, I should really go to bed |
| 04:01.08 | Maior | ahh, I meant *re*boot, sorry, yes |
| 04:01.12 | nvz | if that happens when you boot then you need to go back to where it stops normal bootup |
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| 04:05.54 | PeterFA | Why won't the kernel run init created and installed by make-kpgk when booted? |
| 04:05.56 | PeterFA | I get the same error. |
| 04:06.09 | PeterFA | It says it cannot find /init. |
| 04:06.41 | enouf | i asked you yesterday, ..you never answered |
| 04:06.53 | PeterFA | enouf, I was away, but i did respond. |
| 04:07.00 | PeterFA | enouf, it was a while later hough. |
| 04:07.05 | enouf | i missed it then .. ok |
| 04:07.06 | PeterFA | enouf, anyways, what did you say again? |
| 04:07.24 | enouf | does init script exist in your initrd? |
| 04:07.37 | PeterFA | enouf, it would be initramfs, and yes. |
| 04:07.38 | enouf | does init script exist in the root of your initrd? |
| 04:07.47 | PeterFA | enouf, yes. |
| 04:07.54 | PeterFA | want a copy of it? |
| 04:08.04 | kingsley2 | I think I figured it out. |
| 04:08.09 | enouf | no thanks, debian makes excellent ones |
| 04:08.20 | PeterFA | enouf, I used the Debian tool to make it. |
| 04:08.45 | enouf | that's a very small part of building/compiling, you and i both know this |
| 04:08.51 | PeterFA | enouf, the kernel isn't executing init, but I know it's using the initrd because when I comment the line, it gives a different error. |
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| 04:09.19 | enouf | welp; what did you alter in the .config? |
| 04:09.27 | xorlim | I have not used Debian since Sarge 3.1. I think Ubuntu is less stable. |
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| 04:10.14 | PeterFA | enouf, I just removed support for crazy things I'm never going to use, but support for initramfs/initrd is there, and the thing for the source files of the initramfs is left blank, as per the context help in makemenuconfig |
| 04:10.19 | PeterFA | Or make menuconfig. |
| 04:10.30 | PeterFA | enouf, want a copy of the .config? |
| 04:10.39 | PeterFA | I'll pastebin it. |
| 04:10.46 | xorlim | does Debian have this same error? --> UTF8 strings wrong in update-manager. |
| 04:11.00 | enouf | PeterFA: no, not yet, i follow - so, Debian sources? applied debian patches to kernel.org source? |
| 04:11.23 | PeterFA | kernel.org source. |
| 04:11.36 | PeterFA | Not patched. |
| 04:11.40 | enouf | PeterFA: ok, which version? |
| 04:11.44 | PeterFA | enouf, 2.6.28. |
| 04:11.50 | PeterFA | You'd better not tell me I need a patch. |
| 04:11.54 | PeterFA | I'm so not kidding. |
| 04:12.01 | enouf | PeterFA: ok, so, have you tried booting with a .27 or .26 initrd? |
| 04:12.12 | PeterFA | enouf, yeah. |
| 04:12.23 | PeterFA | (In my case, it's just .26) |
| 04:13.11 | enouf | PeterFA: ok, so you just might need the ..erm ..hrm .. what i would do, is grab debian sources, and try that way |
| 04:13.34 | PeterFA | enouf, I didn't think Debian source have .28 |
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| 04:14.43 | xorlim | any of you guys know about Ubuntu problems, since Ubuntu is basically unstable, updated Debian? |
| 04:14.45 | enouf | PeterFA: if you want to post exact errors, detailing what you did different with each .. might help myself and others reading .. but sure; at buildserver, i'm pretty sure i saw .28~experimental-whatever |
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| 04:15.03 | PeterFA | enouf, buildserver? |
| 04:15.11 | dmoerner | !kernel trunk |
| 04:15.15 | enouf | xorlim: for ubuntu issues, please see #ubuntu, or ##linux even |
| 04:15.19 | dmoerner | !trunk kernel |
| 04:15.20 | dpkg | i guess trunk kernel is visit http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel for information on installing the kernel team's latest experimental kernels |
| 04:15.25 | dmoerner | there it is |
| 04:15.36 | enouf | dmoerner: yep - thanks |
| 04:15.46 | DanDare | xorlim: /join #ubuntu |
| 04:16.26 | enouf | PeterFA: this might be linked from there, or whatever, but i think this one has a bit more detailed info http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage -- also note there, the hyperlinks to kernel handbook |
| 04:16.26 | PeterFA | Oh, buildserver is a repository. |
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| 04:19.09 | xorlim | DanDare: is the new Debian 4.1? |
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| 04:24.24 | fedya | what package installs the reboot command? |
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| 04:24.48 | enouf | !+tell fedya -about search |
| 04:24.49 | dpkg | told fedya about search. |
| 04:24.59 | enouf | fedya: see apt-file especially |
| 04:25.33 | firebird619 | Is there a command to get model, serial, etc. info about the hard drive? |
| 04:25.34 | fedya | uhh apt-file? |
| 04:25.37 | fedya | i dont have that command |
| 04:25.46 | enouf | fedya: or /msg dpkg pdo (is another option) |
| 04:25.50 | newsense | dpkg -S reboot |
| 04:25.50 | dpkg | You Fool! reboot is installed! |
| 04:26.01 | enouf | !installit |
| 04:26.01 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 04:26.40 | newsense | fedya, dpkg -S reboot |
| 04:26.44 | enouf | fedya: sure - many, lshal, lscssi, lshw, ls -l /dev/disk/* , dmesg |
| 04:26.53 | enouf | hdparm, etc |
| 04:27.12 | enouf | gah firebird619 - i meant you, not fedya |
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| 04:27.40 | firebird619 | enouf: :) Thanks. |
| 04:27.51 | enouf | firebird619: /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 04:27.54 | enouf | np |
| 04:28.53 | ferret_0567 | enouf: why did you choose the nickname you are using? |
| 04:28.55 | enouf | dpkg: newsense is it's top to knock off the nonsense newsense |
| 04:28.55 | dpkg | ...but newsense is already something else... |
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| 04:29.02 | enouf | heh, good |
| 04:29.03 | ferret_0567 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.17 | enouf | ferret_0567: what? |
| 04:29.19 | fedya | lol i had it installed |
| 04:29.25 | newsense | lol |
| 04:29.31 | fedya | i just forgot on deb you have to run it as root |
| 04:29.35 | ferret_0567 | enouf: accident |
| 04:29.44 | fedya | sysvinit has the reboot and killall that i like to use |
| 04:29.49 | enouf | newsense: i can't even do that right - i means s/top/time |
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| 04:30.18 | newsense | i set my own factoid already ;) and got in trouble for it if i remember correctly |
| 04:30.38 | ferret_0567 | newsense: what factoid? |
| 04:30.42 | newsense | man enough you are pretty popular on that #linux stats www |
| 04:30.52 | enouf | as you should, only others are allowed to mangle your nick - same goes for all of us :-P |
| 04:30.52 | newsense | err s/enough/enouf |
| 04:30.59 | newsense | !newsense |
| 04:31.00 | dpkg | you are probably an ignorant bastard that lurk around the likes of #debian, ignore him and he might go away ! |
| 04:31.10 | ferret_0567 | lol |
| 04:31.12 | newsense | ok back to business |
| 04:31.13 | enouf | newsense: look at the date of those stats |
| 04:31.28 | enouf | haha |
| 04:31.31 | JyZyXEL | so guess what nerds call slutty girls |
| 04:31.32 | JyZyXEL | 777's |
| 04:31.44 | newsense | enouf, didnt look at that im guessing its old |
| 04:31.45 | ferret_0567 | haha |
| 04:32.31 | JyZyXEL | I recently bought the Numark CM200 19" DJ Mixer. The way I use it, would require a PFL output at the backpanel. However I discovered that none of the outputs in the backpanel is the PFL mix. Their all Main Mix. |
| 04:32.31 | JyZyXEL | I have experience building audio mixers, so I was thinking of adding the PFL output to the backpanel myself. |
| 04:32.31 | JyZyXEL | Now the way you could help me with this is by providing me with the schematics of the mixer. |
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| 04:32.39 | enouf | ok .. Debian issues anyone? (enough of this chitchat) |
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| 04:33.55 | firebird619 | enouf: lshw did the trick. Thanks again. |
| 04:34.04 | enouf | np firebird619 |
| 04:34.04 | newsense | whats up with lenny netinst and encrypted lvm, i get errors about not finding the volume group twice before i get dropped to a password prompt |
| 04:34.21 | enouf | newsense: still stuck on that issue? hrm.. |
| 04:34.28 | newsense | yes |
| 04:34.33 | newsense | and i cant get over it |
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| 04:34.36 | PeterFA | enouf, I didn't find 2.6.28 in buildserver. |
| 04:34.42 | pl4yer0ne | 'lo all |
| 04:35.09 | newsense | enouf, figured id throw it in the mix every few days eventually it will get solved along with me googling it |
| 04:35.09 | enouf | newsense: you'd likely want to disect the initrd, and all the scripts/* in there, you just might need to use hooks, or time something to load properly |
| 04:35.20 | enouf | PeterFA: one sec |
| 04:35.40 | newsense | enouf, yeah i figured as much, i was hoping someone else would do it and fix it |
| 04:36.01 | enouf | newsense: file a bug/installation report |
| 04:36.32 | newsense | enouf, if that advisable if i cant reproduce it on another system ? |
| 04:37.27 | newsense | enouf, i just dont want to send a bug report if its not a bug, could be my hardware, hdd possibly |
| 04:38.10 | newsense | maybe i/o read problems who knows maybe i will file one |
| 04:38.43 | enouf | PeterFA: see linux-2.6_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ you also want the .diff and .dsc and learn why ;-) |
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| 04:39.03 | enouf | newsense: i see |
| 04:41.10 | PeterFA | enouf, how did you find them? |
| 04:41.12 | enouf | newsense: i just happen to not know much about it - might try a detailed post on debian-user [at] lists.debian.org |
| 04:41.19 | enouf | PeterFA: clicking :-p |
| 04:42.12 | enouf | PeterFA: you're not using the 'repo' method though (sources.list)? |
| 04:42.19 | PeterFA | enouf, where am I going to learn why I want the .diff and .dsc? |
| 04:42.23 | PeterFA | enouf, no. |
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| 04:42.33 | PeterFA | enouf, manually yoinking the sources. |
| 04:42.35 | newsense | enouf, thanks for the tip, never had to go any further than this channel for support, ill give that a shot |
| 04:44.34 | enouf | PeterFA: man dpkg-diff, dpkg-source, etc .. /msg dpkg package basics (etc etc) .. those earlier URLs to the wiki should have plenty of pointers - look also in /usr/share/{<pkgname>,doc}/* ;-) |
| 04:45.03 | PeterFA | enouf, I'm too used to Gentoo. |
| 04:45.12 | PeterFA | enouf, this all looks randomly scattered to me. |
| 04:45.22 | enouf | PeterFA: forget dpkg-diff, i brainfarted, but the others see |
| 04:46.33 | enouf | PeterFA: well, use gentoo then |
| 04:47.07 | enouf | be our guest ;-) |
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| 04:49.16 | infinity1 | any idea how i mighttell bash to figure out if my home directroy is NFS mounted |
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| 04:49.40 | enouf | PeterFA: or .. learn it well, and document it all in one nice place ;-) |
| 04:50.25 | enouf | infinity1: man showmount ? |
| 04:51.37 | n3kl | Hey |
| 04:51.55 | n3kl | Is there anyway to add a hidden wireless network to /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 04:52.04 | infinity1 | enouf: yea. i looked at that but it didn't get me very far. it just says the server and volumes that are mounted |
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| 04:52.46 | infinity1 | enouf: well, actually, it shows the server and volume that are available but doesn't say where they are mounted |
| 04:54.32 | enouf | infinity1: and i suppose you followed the info from that man page, which mentions; rpc.mountd , and tried all of those? |
| 04:56.26 | infinity1 | enouf: thats all daemon stuff. not sure how thats helpful |
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| 04:57.47 | nyp_ | hi. can anybody help me with a scp problem? i'm always getting timeouts |
| 04:58.14 | nyp_ | i'm trying to upload a few html files. everything works fine until the actual transfer.. it just times out |
| 04:58.36 | nyp_ | same thing happens when using ftp to upload |
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| 04:58.56 | enouf | infinity1: how do you know /home isn't a subdir of whatver is mounted as an NFS volume? - so, man exports/exportfs is not helpful either? |
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| 05:01.07 | enouf | nyp_: everything works fine? heh .. does anything get partially uploaded? |
| 05:01.16 | nyp_ | 0 bytes |
| 05:01.27 | enouf | that'd be a no ;-) |
| 05:01.46 | nyp_ | well... the file exists. but with zero bytes length |
| 05:01.55 | nyp_ | there is enough space available though |
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| 05:06.48 | nyp_ | enouf, any idea what the problem could be? I can write to a file when logged in. just uploading hangs |
| 05:07.47 | nyp_ | ah |
| 05:07.50 | nyp_ | lol |
| 05:07.56 | nyp_ | i got it. it's a local problem |
| 05:08.08 | nyp_ | sorry for bothering |
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| 05:32.11 | firebird619 | Could someone help me getting lirc working with the remote control for a Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum EX? I have asked in #lirc and received no response. I do have lirc installed and the file for my remote from lirc.org in /etc/lircd.conf, but it isn't working and I don't know what to do. |
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| 05:34.11 | enouf | firebird619: which version and kernel of debian? |
| 05:34.52 | firebird619 | enouf: Lenny and 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 05:35.36 | enouf | firebird619: what's cat /proc/asound/modules say? if more than one line, use a pastebin |
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| 05:36.14 | firebird619 | enouf: 0 snd_emu10k1 |
| 05:37.45 | enouf | firebird619: modinfo snd_emu10k1 .. see param enable_ir ? |
| 05:38.41 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes. parm: enable_ir:Enable IR. (array of bool) |
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| 05:40.14 | enouf | so, add this to /etc/modprobe.d/my-snd_emu10k1_LIRC_support "option enable_ir=1" |
| 05:41.26 | enouf | firebird619: something along those lines, but that's basically what i can see you need - create that file, naturally, modprobe scans all those files in /etc/modprobe.d/ regardless of name |
| 05:42.16 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I can give that a try. Do I need to restart anything after for it to see the file, or modprobe any certain thing? |
| 05:43.18 | firebird619 | enouf: I put that in there without the quotes? |
| 05:44.39 | enouf | firebird619: well ... 1st restart your DE session, at the least, you could unload/reload all modules - easiest is to run alsaconf .. er .. wait - thought there might be a 'alsa reload/rescan' command or something |
| 05:44.58 | enouf | yes, no quotes firebird619 |
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| 05:45.20 | enouf | firebird619: makes option-> be options |
| 05:45.33 | enouf | firebird619: er make option-> be options |
| 05:45.55 | mydrmeix | a whole afternoon on trying to boot a XFS partition with grub and lilo :( |
| 05:47.26 | mydrmeix | dont say CentOS |
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| 05:50.09 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. Thanks for the help. |
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| 05:50.23 | enouf | np firebird619 |
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| 05:51.43 | TheBlunderbuss | Is there a way I can retrieve all the deb files for a package's dependencies? |
| 05:52.11 | TheBlunderbuss | I've got a box with no internet connection and I want package xyz |
| 05:52.15 | mydrmeix | i usually fix broken package after dbl-clicking the .deb |
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| 05:53.49 | mydrmeix | TheBlunderbuss: you can save the apt cache off another machine that has that package installed |
| 05:54.05 | TheBlunderbuss | alright, but the missing dependencies aren't in the cache |
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| 05:54.49 | newsense | mydrmeix, what are you talking about ? |
| 05:55.45 | enouf | TheBlunderbuss: apt-cache depends pkgname |
| 05:56.14 | enouf | TheBlunderbuss: visit packages.debian.org if needed |
| 05:56.27 | TheBlunderbuss | and download each one individually... |
| 05:56.46 | firebird619 | What command do I use to see the text that scrolls on startup? I tried dmesg but that doesn't show what I seen on startup? |
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| 05:56.59 | x1250 | TheBlunderbuss, apt-rdepends may help |
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| 05:57.49 | firebird619 | enouf:I think I messed up the line in that file. I seen some error during startup about that file I created. It scrolled by to fast and I couldn't read it. |
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| 05:59.16 | mydrmeix | newsense: in /var there is a aptcache |
| 05:59.29 | newsense | my007ms, i know this |
| 05:59.37 | enouf | firebird619: you won't see all startup messages without attaching a serial console, or ssh'ing from another box, but /msg dpkg bootlogd and enable that - and drop to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1) to see a piece of the end there of startup - naturally dmesg | less as well |
| 05:59.39 | newsense | <mydrmeix> i usually fix broken package after dbl-clicking the .deb |
| 05:59.49 | newsense | was wondering what that was about |
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| 06:00.17 | firebird619 | enouf: It looked like it said Invalid at option or something like that. |
| 06:00.43 | TheBlunderbuss | Doesn't seem to be an option in all of apt to download any given package, if that package has already been installed |
| 06:00.55 | enouf | firebird619: you can pause booting by hitting scrolllock key - resume hitting any other key - use shift+pageup/down to scroll when paused |
| 06:01.26 | firebird619 | enouf: I put option enable_ir=1 right, or did I miss something? |
| 06:01.46 | mydrmeix | newsense: synaptic |
| 06:02.05 | newsense | oh ok |
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| 06:03.34 | enouf | firebird619: it might need 'Enable / Disable' instead of '1 / 0' |
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| 06:05.23 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok, I can give that a shot. I had also seen a message during boot that lirc wasn't configured and to see some configure.html file but didn't catch the location, so I am trying to find that now. |
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| 06:09.04 | firebird619 | enouf: I see on linuxquestions.org, although it is a different card than mine, it says to use "options snd-emu10k1 enable_ir=1" Is it possible I have to use that in my case too? |
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| 06:11.45 | x1250 | TheBlunderbuss, tried aptitude download? |
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| 06:13.50 | enouf | firebird619: sure .. my bad, we forgot the modulename .. doh |
| 06:14.08 | TheBlunderbuss | nope, but I shortchanged the program a few audio and kde-specific libs (on xfce) and it works. |
| 06:14.16 | TheBlunderbuss | I'll check it out though, as I'm sure I'll need that later |
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| 06:17.04 | firebird619 | enouf: using enable instead of 1 didn't work either. The message I got was WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/my-snd_emu10k1_LIRC_support line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'option' at startup. I will try options snd_emu10k1 enable_ir=1 and see what happens. |
| 06:17.13 | jair | does the new versions of debian will also remove the file "/etc/inittab"? |
| 06:17.32 | dmoerner | firebird619: did you use "option" or "options" in /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 06:17.45 | dmoerner | jair: no |
| 06:17.46 | firebird619 | dmoerner: I tried both. |
| 06:18.12 | dmoerner | option is definitely wrong; it is options, so there is no need to try that. but if neither is working, that's neither here nor there |
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| 06:18.18 | jair | dmoerner: great! |
| 06:18.34 | enouf | <enouf> firebird619: er make option-> be options |
| 06:18.40 | dmoerner | jair: ubuntu just redistributed it into /etc/event.d/tty[1-6] anyway, so it's not really a big difference |
| 06:19.20 | firebird619 | enouf: Yes. I had used "options" the first time, then I got that error during startup and so I tried option incase I had misunderstood, but neither way works. |
| 06:19.43 | jair | dmoerner: but I really don't understand why change it? does it make the GNU/Linux works more effective? |
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| 06:20.52 | firebird619 | What else can I try to get this working. It should be options enable_ir=1 right? |
| 06:21.02 | enouf | no |
| 06:21.17 | enouf | " I will try options snd_emu10k1 enable_ir=1 and see what happens." |
| 06:21.20 | enouf | do that |
| 06:21.21 | dmoerner | jair: this is a bit offtopic but they use upstart, which no longer uses /etc/inttab. https://answers.launchpad.net/upstart/+question/1984 |
| 06:21.42 | firebird619 | enouf: Ok. |
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| 06:24.29 | sepult | how can i change the default nice level for user root ? |
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| 06:25.01 | sepult | my system boots now with root processes of nice level -20 |
| 06:25.07 | sepult | it wasn't so before |
| 06:25.29 | firebird619 | enouf: That worked. Now I just need to take care of the "lirc not configured message" |
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| 06:26.55 | coolpro | anyone uses shoutcast? |
| 06:27.43 | jair | dmoerner: Thank you very much... Lets stay focus on debian :) |
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| 06:38.54 | christoz | hello. had everyone ever tested the midori browser? |
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| 06:40.18 | dondelelcaro | christoz: someone has, yes. |
| 06:40.46 | synaptic | I'm trying to copy *.exe (or any extension) from a directory and all of it's subdirectories |
| 06:40.59 | synaptic | Anyone know the command to do this? I would google but it is difficult to search |
| 06:41.26 | christoz | dondelelcaro, I'm looking for a lightweight web browser, what are your impressions about midori? |
| 06:41.40 | enouf | christoz: i use (sometimes) the one in sid |
| 06:41.47 | pl4yer0ne | find <dir> -iname "*.exe" -exec (copy command) |
| 06:42.01 | christoz | stable enough? |
| 06:42.05 | dondelelcaro | christoz: it works for the most part |
| 06:42.18 | synaptic | Thank you pl4er |
| 06:42.23 | pl4yer0ne | err that was at synaptic btw |
| 06:42.25 | synaptic | y** |
| 06:42.28 | enouf | christoz: my main one though is links2 (with the -g option, xlinks2) for GUI mode |
| 06:42.43 | pl4yer0ne | synaptic: man find |
| 06:43.47 | enouf | synaptic: /msg dpkg using find |
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| 06:44.18 | dondelelcaro | synaptic: tar is another option if you want to keep the strcuture; really depends on what you're doing. |
| 06:45.15 | synaptic | Well basically I've got a Samba/NFS setup that serves a whole bunch of web elements |
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| 06:45.31 | synaptic | Banners, webart, etc |
| 06:45.50 | enouf | christoz: /msg dpkg links2 (if you'd like) .. another possible lightweightish one, in Debian, is epiphany{-browser}? ..and there are many others |
| 06:46.24 | synaptic | And I'm trying to come up with a script that will take all the files that I upload to a particular directory and automatically categorized / move them into an organized directory by extension type |
| 06:47.16 | enouf | christoz: midori hangs for me on some sites - (depending on how much crap (read: webdev crap, scripts, flash, AJAX, etc etc) they have basically) |
| 06:47.49 | pl4yer0ne | synaptic: how many files are you talking about? |
| 06:47.53 | synaptic | so like /uploads -> /png /jpg /gif etc etc |
| 06:48.08 | synaptic | Probably 2gb right now ( just starting a collection ) |
| 06:48.51 | synaptic | Server is a tired old P3 Poweredge |
| 06:49.22 | synaptic | With a double intel NIC and four IDE 150gb drives running in RAID |
| 06:49.24 | pl4yer0ne | using find or something to step through each file type will work but to scale better you may want to create a file list once then use that to do each type |
| 06:49.41 | dondelelcaro | or you could just run it through file, and ignore the extension |
| 06:50.07 | synaptic | Hmmm you guys know of any good examples online? |
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| 06:50.17 | synaptic | Been looking around but can't get many ideas |
| 06:50.20 | christoz | i need a browser that works it's best (minimal ram& cpu usage) for simple html sites basically |
| 06:50.30 | christoz | enouf thanks for your info |
| 06:50.51 | synaptic | Christoz you try a console based browser? |
| 06:51.01 | synaptic | If you're talking super minimal requirements |
| 06:51.17 | enouf | christoz: i find links2 to do that perfectly - note; it will also run in the Console, and even in gui mode |
| 06:51.24 | christoz | synaptic,oh didn't mean so minimal :P |
| 06:52.02 | pl4yer0ne | synaptic: find /path/to/files/ -iname "*.ext" -exec mv {} /new/location/ \; or something similar for each file type would be a quick and dirty way |
| 06:52.04 | dondelelcaro | synaptic: for a in *; do mv $a path/to/$(file -b --mime-type "$a")/; done; for example. |
| 06:52.47 | synaptic | Wow both of those are extremely helpful, couldn't have came up with that on my own! |
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| 06:53.23 | dondelelcaro | you'll actually want mv "$a", but you'll figure that out if the files have spaces in them. |
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| 06:53.34 | synaptic | pl4yer: what is -exec ? |
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| 06:54.15 | pl4yer0ne | -exec calls an external program to do soemthing with your find file list |
| 06:54.54 | pl4yer0ne | in this case its moving the files to your new location |
| 06:55.19 | synaptic__ | Ah alright I understand |
| 06:55.31 | pl4yer0ne | Disclaimer! I havent actually tested this, so it looks correct but might need some tweaking |
| 06:55.31 | synaptic | I'm trying those two out right now I'll let you konw |
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| 06:58.57 | synaptic | Hmm it says "find: missing argument to `-exec'" |
| 06:59.20 | pl4yer0ne | haha see told you it might need tweaking |
| 06:59.25 | dondelelcaro | it's -exec mv '{}' |
| 06:59.36 | dondelelcaro | {} needs to be escaped in most shells |
| 06:59.47 | synaptic | Ahh okay let me give that a shot |
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| 07:00.31 | synaptic | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.33 | synaptic | find: missing argument to `-exec' |
| 07:00.35 | synaptic | Still got that |
| 07:00.46 | dondelelcaro | synaptic: you're missing the \; |
| 07:01.20 | synaptic | Wow... worked perfect |
| 07:01.52 | synaptic | This is exactly the kind of thing that makes Linux superior to Windows : ) |
| 07:01.56 | synaptic | Beautiful |
| 07:02.04 | synaptic | Thank you guys!! |
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| 07:03.03 | pl4yer0ne | your welcome |
| 07:05.41 | pl4yer0ne | and now is home time so I will see you all later |
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| 07:08.30 | grandy | hello, i seem to have caused apt/aptitude/dpkg to have an error... dpkg -r packagename can't finish b/c some of the files were not installed b/c i pressed crtl-c in the middle of installation |
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| 07:08.51 | grandy | anyone know if there is a way to make dpkg ignore files not being there when trying to remove? |
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| 07:11.04 | ktims | i am getting 'gave up waiting for root device' after an upgrade to lenny. it seems to not be running the lvm startup stuff first. if i do it manually i can mount root. |
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| 07:11.15 | ktims | a) how can i continue the boot after mounting root and b) how to fix? |
| 07:14.37 | morfol | stupid question in the morning, where is postfix holding the mails per default ? |
| 07:15.29 | ktims | once delivered i think in /var/spool/mail |
| 07:15.34 | grandy | morfol: i think you can type postconf with a verbose flag to have it dump the directories i think |
| 07:15.39 | ktims | the queues are in /var/spool/postfix |
| 07:16.12 | morfol | thank ktims, there they are |
| 07:16.51 | enouf | ktims: man update-initramfs |
| 07:17.43 | enouf | ktims: 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-NEW-Lenny-kernel' should/might be enough |
| 07:17.58 | cmanns_ | How can I run my own dns like opendns? |
| 07:18.25 | enouf | ktims: check the BTS as well - /msg dpkg bts (and also /msg dpkg lenny release notes) |
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| 07:19.45 | ktims | aiee now i've paniced it and i can't reboot it |
| 07:19.58 | ktims | any magic keyboard sequence to reboot it in this state? |
| 07:21.15 | enouf | not after a panic, no - but otherwise /msg dpkg sysrq |
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| 07:21.55 | ktims | ah i wasn't sure if my ip kvm just didn't support sysrq or if it doesn't work after panic |
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| 07:24.33 | enouf | kernel.sysrq = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 07:25.16 | ktims | yea it's enabled |
| 07:25.23 | ktims | just not working, but it's probably the kvm |
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| 07:28.19 | sylar | is there anythng i can do to make the web browser take less cpu? |
| 07:28.32 | muh2000 | how to update lib awareness? |
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| 07:29.01 | muh2000 | quite ironic the name sylar and not fixing thing ^^ |
| 07:29.16 | muh2000 | avoid java script and flash websites |
| 07:29.19 | enouf | sylar: suppose you could renice it, or maybe you want taskset - or maybe your browser is a bloated behemoth |
| 07:29.29 | sylar | muh2000, generally I use synaptic to update stuff |
| 07:29.54 | sylar | enouf, epiphany |
| 07:30.01 | \amethyst | muh2000: ldconfig as root but that should happen whenever you install a package with shared libraries |
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| 07:30.27 | ctux | hi |
| 07:30.34 | ctux | one small question |
| 07:30.37 | muh2000 | \amethyst: ok i already did that. :/ i guess the problem is elsewhere |
| 07:30.53 | ctux | how do i know my system specifications? |
| 07:31.09 | muh2000 | ctux: hwinfo |
| 07:31.15 | \amethyst | muh2000: are you trying to compile something? if so you need the -dev version of whatever library you're linking against |
| 07:31.36 | sylar | enouf, I niced it 19 |
| 07:31.37 | muh2000 | \amethyst: a program is complaining about a missing lib... |
| 07:31.47 | ctux | muh2000: will this command tell me all my hardware ? |
| 07:31.54 | sylar | but i want something automated |
| 07:32.21 | muh2000 | ctux: yes you better do hwinfo > hw.txt and read the txt after it is done |
| 07:32.25 | sylar | like give only 5% of CPU to web browser |
| 07:32.49 | muh2000 | cpu slices could do that |
| 07:33.29 | \amethyst | muh2000: could you pastebin the command you're running and the exact error message? |
| 07:33.40 | ctux | i wanna send my system sepcifications to my friend |
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| 07:34.37 | muh2000 | \amethyst: yeah sure but i rather recompile it because it was done on a 32 sys and i just copied the files... looking for the tclinc files on debian lenny though ^^ (eggdrop |
| 07:34.53 | enouf | ctux: lshw -html > myhardware.html does nice |
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| 07:38.04 | ctux | muh2000: thanks lspci also worked for me |
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| 07:39.28 | \amethyst | muh2000: oh, this is a 32-bit program on an amd64 install? |
| 07:39.38 | muh2000 | \amethyst: |
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| 07:40.03 | muh2000 | yes ^^ |
| 07:40.24 | \amethyst | muh2000: ah. the library you need might be available in a 32-bit version, but unless it's something very common, probably not |
| 07:40.48 | \amethyst | muh2000: in packages like lib32* or ia32* |
| 07:41.29 | muh2000 | \amethyst: it is located on the harddrive so my guess is that the old compiled stuff is crap for the current install |
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| 07:42.27 | muh2000 | crap /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltcl8.4.s |
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| 07:43.19 | sylar | found cpulimit |
| 07:43.23 | sylar | it works |
| 07:43.26 | sylar | humm |
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| 07:43.29 | \amethyst | muh2000: yeah, I don't think there is a 32-bit version of tcl in debian amd64 |
| 07:43.49 | muh2000 | hmmmmmm |
| 07:44.44 | \amethyst | muh2000: wait, the software in question is eggdrop? |
| 07:44.58 | muh2000 | \amethyst: yes |
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| 07:45.16 | \amethyst | muh2000: no need to compile it yourself, eggdrop is in both etch and lenny |
| 07:45.25 | muh2000 | ^^ |
| 07:45.59 | \amethyst | it will be a 64-bit version, I hope you don't mind :) |
| 07:46.00 | muh2000 | didnt know that. only was moving this stuff around for someone that needed help after the upgrade 32 -> 64... ^^ |
| 07:46.31 | muh2000 | i dont care as long as it works :D |
| 07:46.50 | muh2000 | especially smal apps like eggdrop should be "dont care" |
| 07:46.58 | \amethyst | I haven't used it, but then I haven't used eggdrop at all |
| 07:47.52 | sylar | nope, it doesn't look for more processes after it finds one |
| 07:48.47 | sylar | will need to make a script for that I guess |
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| 08:12.22 | trentster | hey all I need to grep just the number from the following output so it can be sent to a monitoring platform, can anyone help with what regular expression to use? "Messages in remote queue: 27" I need just "27" |
| 08:13.04 | enouf | use awk |
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| 08:13.27 | trentster | enouf, thanks, can you help with the syntax? |
| 08:14.52 | enouf | awk '{ print$2 }' |
| 08:15.35 | enouf | try 3, try 4, whatever - you can also use grep ... |cut -d: -f1 or soemthing |
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| 08:15.58 | trentster | enouf, thanks |
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| 08:20.52 | vesperlynd | Hi all, I got a problem with my new mainboard, it's the ASUS M3N78-VM. When I try to install Lenny again, an error message occurs which says that no hard drive was detected (but there is a S-ATA hard drive) and I shall select the driver for my hard drive. Funnily enough, booting the existing Debian installation (Lenny too), works and I can access the hard drive r/w. What wrong with the mainboard/hard drive? |
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| 08:22.45 | ktims | try setting the sata controller to ahci mode in the bios |
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| 08:24.19 | _buffer | hi |
| 08:24.21 | _buffer | hi rainer |
| 08:24.52 | vesperlynd | hi buffer |
| 08:25.02 | vesperlynd | thx ktims I will give it a try |
| 08:26.12 | enouf | vesperlynd: if you're using the same image that you installed from, it's possible your existing install was done passing specific kernel params, such as; install generic.all_generic_ide=1 which it might've needed if sata is in Standard IDE mode |
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| 08:29.15 | tapioco | hi |
| 08:29.40 | tapioco | please I need to configure a cups server from another box using http on port 631, I could not get it work! |
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| 08:33.27 | piko | Hi, anyone else than me experiences not showing fonts in evince/xpdf on unstable? |
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| 08:35.26 | vesperlynd | ktims, unfortunately switching the sata controlle to "ahci" did not help |
| 08:36.10 | ktims | strange |
| 08:36.29 | lamba | does anyone know of a way (or alternative) to doing apt-cache dotty, that'll work against an actual deb file (i.e one you have sitting in current dir) and check for its dependencies against your apt sources ? i have a script that makes my deb files, and i want to output their graphs in my scirpt, but id like to avoid having to make a local repos and everything else for them, if possible. |
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| 08:45.58 | piko | tapioco: you can you access it? |
| 08:46.34 | piko | tapioco: more specifically: Can you get into by ssh ..? |
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| 08:46.50 | piko | tapioco: or by http |
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| 08:48.30 | rmrfchik | is there way to use flash on amd64? |
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| 08:48.59 | liable | i think they did just release a 64bit flash |
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| 08:49.21 | amphi | there was an alpha a while back, at least, that seemed to work |
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| 08:49.36 | m4rk0 | Hello, my linux server just crashed I can enter only i n single-user mode... When I try to start it normaly I receive most erro segmentation fault of most services... When I get root login and I try login in normal startup after login name linux show me message like "login -p name"... What to do? |
| 08:49.47 | piko | rmrfchik: there are safer ways like flash plugins |
| 08:49.48 | Owner | guys, i'm putting debian on a nas server and need help with setting up software raid1. SHOULD I MIRROR SWAP or not? everywhere i look, i get different information... |
| 08:49.51 | rmrfchik | liable: is it avail in debian repo? |
| 08:50.31 | piko | [M4rk0]: check if you have all partitions mounted |
| 08:50.34 | liable | rmrfchik: no idea, just remember seeing it somewhere a few weeks back |
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| 08:50.53 | piko | [M4rk0]: but be sure to run fsck before mounting |
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| 08:51.27 | tapioco | please help |
| 08:51.39 | [M4rk0] | a have 1 hdd /home partition and root |
| 08:51.44 | [M4rk0] | I can see both |
| 08:51.54 | tapioco | I've got problem with cups, I cannot connect from a lan pc to cups server |
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| 08:52.41 | liable | cups can be a pain to set up a networked printer |
| 08:53.16 | liable | ethereal can be handy to see if the host is announcing the printer on the network |
| 08:53.37 | tapioco | liable: no I need only to configure a cups server using only it's webpage |
| 08:53.47 | Muhammad_Saad | Where should I put a file that I want to be automatically executed on each boot? |
| 08:54.11 | liable | tapioco: cupsd only allows the localhost to use the http gui. its an option in the config file iirc |
| 08:55.12 | tapioco | liable: ??? |
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| 08:55.41 | liable | tapioco: you have to edit the cupsd config to allow configuration from another computer |
| 08:55.51 | liable | tapioco: why can you configure it on the host? |
| 08:55.57 | tapioco | liable: I did but it didn't work |
| 08:56.15 | liable | did you restart cupsd? |
| 08:56.17 | tapioco | liable: using the server only as printserver so no X |
| 08:56.29 | tapioco | liable: yes |
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| 08:56.53 | liable | tapioco: links2 -g on the host (uses framebuffer) |
| 08:57.18 | tapioco | liable: what is it? |
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| 08:58.23 | piko | tapioco: web browser, package links2 |
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| 08:58.46 | piko | [M4rk0]: so, all partitions are safely mounted and rw? |
| 08:58.54 | tapioco | piko: ah ok+ |
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| 08:59.29 | piko | [M4rk0]: could you paste mount | grep [hs]da |
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| 09:05.01 | piko | [M4rk0]: try dmesg | less to see errors/warning |
| 09:05.01 | [M4rk0] | piko, grep [hs]da ? |
| 09:05.15 | piko | [M4rk0]: mount | grep [sh]da |
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| 09:05.43 | [M4rk0] | in single user mode there is no errors |
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| 09:05.56 | [M4rk0] | I can't login in normal startup |
| 09:06.14 | [M4rk0] | just display message "login -p name" |
| 09:06.36 | piko | [M4rk0]: any error messages during boot? any /var/log/messages problems? |
| 09:07.44 | [M4rk0] | in normal startup services startup are failed and lot's of segmentation fault messages |
| 09:09.35 | Maulkin | [M4rk0]: have you checked your RAM? |
| 09:09.51 | [M4rk0] | i'm just going to buy a new one :D |
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| 09:20.21 | [M4rk0] | New RAM nothing new... |
| 09:20.23 | [M4rk0] | login: root |
| 09:20.39 | [M4rk0] | Usage: login [-p] [name] ... |
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| 09:23.35 | [M4rk0] | Segmentation fault chmod -c "$3" "$4", etc. at bootup |
| 09:23.56 | idimmu | [M4rk0]: reboot in to single user mode? http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub |
| 09:23.59 | idimmu | o |
| 09:24.11 | [M4rk0] | Single user mode works fine |
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| 09:27.53 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 09:28.02 | [M4rk0] | idimmu, any idea? |
| 09:28.05 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, I would propose this: boot some live cd, do fsck on all disks that were present, then try memtest |
| 09:28.05 | Ace2016_- | do debian packages contain what permissions files should have? |
| 09:28.21 | [M4rk0] | piko ok |
| 09:28.25 | piko | [M4rk0]: and before, download all logs |
| 09:29.15 | piko | [M4rk0]: everything in /var/log/ and try to see what: 1) happened before crash, 2) what happened after |
| 09:29.54 | piko | [M4rk0]: do you see what I mean? |
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| 09:30.12 | [M4rk0] | piko, sure ;) |
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| 09:32.51 | anewbie | hi there duudes can some one tell me the ussage of ls -b |
| 09:32.59 | anewbie | and is that equal to echo -e |
| 09:33.00 | anewbie | ? |
| 09:33.20 | anewbie | and :) how can i get on of those octal escapes to make some test's |
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| 09:44.36 | Stuckey | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.39 | Stuckey | Anyone know what that means? |
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| 09:47.55 | evilgenius | Hello |
| 09:48.26 | evilgenius | can someone please tell me how i can change Tightvncserver resoulation in etch |
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| 09:51.59 | evilgenius | anyone? |
| 09:55.31 | Ancho | evilgenius: wath is with -geometry option? doesn't work? |
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| 09:56.38 | KTL | i am on debian unstable and try to get anonymous ftp working. it says "no such user" for anonymous, there is "UserAlias anonymous ftp" in the config, "RequireValidShell off" also, server runs at user "proftpd" which exists, anonymous directory is "/ftp" on my filesystem and it has drwxrwxrwx rights, proftpd runs standalone ... any ideas? running ProFTPD Version 1.3.1 |
| 09:57.05 | KTL | (and the proftpd channel remains silent ) |
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| 09:58.58 | coolpro | how to install tar.gz-based program? |
| 09:59.31 | KTL | tar -xvvzf file.tar.gz , ./configure.sh, make , make install |
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| 10:00.10 | KTL | but before that configure and that make succeed you probably got to install a lot, autotools? make? lots of dependencies for the software you need |
| 10:01.01 | Maior | build-essential, aiui |
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| 10:01.18 | KTL | and the header files, the -dev packages for the software your program depends on, they will probably be needed at compile time |
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| 10:08.20 | coolpro | -bash: ./sc_serv: Permission denied what's wrong? |
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| 10:09.12 | KTL | was that file in your tar.gz? |
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| 10:11.10 | coolpro | yes. it's shoutcast server |
| 10:11.18 | Alver | Hello. After last reboot (debian lenny) my /dev/md1 is no longer being auto-created. I cannot figure out how to manually create it (I wouldn't want to destroy the data on it). |
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| 10:11.45 | Alver | It's a raid5 array, created on 4 disks. |
| 10:11.57 | KTL | coolpro, do ls -lt to see file permissions and ownerships, use chmod and chown to put them right so that you get permission |
| 10:12.04 | Alver | The devices themselves are all present and apparently okay |
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| 10:13.15 | coolpro | KTL: thanks. |
| 10:13.30 | coolpro | KTL: i've chmoded to 777, how it works |
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| 10:17.50 | Maior | coolpro: I would argue that the moment you're making something world-writable, something's not working |
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| 10:29.28 | piko | KTL: anyway why proftpd? |
| 10:29.58 | KTL | you probably have another ftp server that smells like roses and is much better ? |
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| 10:30.07 | piko | KTL: afaik this software had quite a lot of security problems |
| 10:30.26 | KTL | and it is an expert in frustrating me |
| 10:30.27 | tuxcrafter | hi all my openoffice3 from experimental is freezing everytime i open an excisiting document and try to do save as .. |
| 10:30.34 | tuxcrafter | does somebody else has this two?> |
| 10:30.44 | piko | KTL: well, the smell is not my usual problem, but try pureftp |
| 10:30.45 | KTL | ah what happened: the thing was not killed properly at a restart |
| 10:30.47 | liable | !experimental |
| 10:30.48 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 10:31.13 | KTL | got no time left at the moment |
| 10:31.16 | tuxcrafter | did i ask wat experimental was :-?? |
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| 10:31.29 | piko | KTL: is has nice command line interface, extensive documentation and afaik is very concerned about security |
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| 10:31.39 | liable | tuxcrafter: why should we support your experimental problems when you know what it is? |
| 10:31.44 | piko | KTL: so you need something out-of-the-box? |
| 10:32.03 | tuxcrafter | liable: i am just asking of somebody else has the same behaviour |
| 10:32.03 | KTL | just something that does anonymous ftp to a simple directory, allows to upload |
| 10:32.15 | KTL | without 2 hours of configuration problems |
| 10:32.15 | tuxcrafter | if so i will search for bug report or make new one |
| 10:32.49 | KTL | currently the lovely thing complains that the files i want to upload are not on the server yet ... wth |
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| 10:34.49 | tuxcrafter | liable: or do you want people to not test packages in experimental and report discuss found issues, should we just all wait until all packages from experimental come into unstalbe/testing/stable and it breaks :-p |
| 10:34.57 | piko | KTL: try twoftpd-run |
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| 10:35.14 | piko | KTL: it seems to be quite simple according to description |
| 10:35.27 | tuxcrafter | liable: because everytime i find an issue or make a bug report people ask me to try the experimental package ... :-p |
| 10:35.45 | piko | KTL: and seems to support annonymous user simply |
| 10:35.50 | piko | after installation |
| 10:36.41 | liable | tuxcrafter: you are a good example of why we dont support experimental here. It is meant for DD's who know how to deal with the problem. as soon as people think experimental is a good way to get the latest package, we will get inundated with stupid bugs because they expect experimental to work. EXPERIMENTAL is called such for a reason |
| 10:37.21 | liable | tuxcrafter: because a dd asks you to try it in a bug report is no reason to generally use it |
| 10:37.35 | tuxcrafter | liable: we are misunderder steading each other, i am not saying i expect things to work... |
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| 10:38.08 | tuxcrafter | i was just asking if somebody else experienced the same |
| 10:38.26 | tuxcrafter | liable: and then you came kind of hard bashing me |
| 10:38.43 | prxtien | hey all, ive got a strange one... if i execute AST_CURR_HOUR=`date +%I | sed 's/^0//'` into a bash prompt it stores it as a variable fine, it i put that into a file, chmod +x file and ./file .. it doesnt output to the variable, what might i be doing wrong? |
| 10:39.00 | KTL | piko, i'm doing as you say now |
| 10:39.08 | liable | tuxcrafter: we really really have to push the idea that we dont support it here, because it leads to people using it when it shouldnt be used. |
| 10:39.12 | tuxcrafter | prxtien: use . /file |
| 10:39.39 | prxtien | yeah i am mate, it executes fine, but doesnt store the bash scrit |
| 10:39.41 | piko | KTL: and ... |
| 10:39.52 | liable | tuxcrafter: if you know about it, then you should just contact the maintainer. |
| 10:39.55 | piko | breathing silently |
| 10:39.56 | KTL | figuring out how it works |
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| 10:40.17 | prxtien | oh i have to use export |
| 10:41.28 | liable | tuxcrafter: there are very good reasons that have developped over the years as to why we dont want to touch that kind of thing in this channel. It leads to the regular helpers wasting time helping people who shouldnt be using unstable packages, fix them. |
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| 10:42.11 | tuxcrafter | liable: jubs i understeand that of cource |
| 10:42.29 | tuxcrafter | liable: so it is forbidden in this channel to ask about packages in experimental :-D |
| 10:42.49 | tuxcrafter | and all question should go directly to the bug system or the maintainer? |
| 10:42.56 | liable | yes |
| 10:43.11 | tuxcrafter | ok :-p |
| 10:43.32 | tuxcrafter | that is a lot more transparent then the !experintal bashing |
| 10:44.10 | liable | not really. that factoid spells it out fairly clearly. dont use experimental and then expect help here with it. |
| 10:44.41 | liable | only use them if you know what you are doing, and know how to pass information on to the relevant people |
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| 10:46.10 | piko | tuxcrafter: well, to be true, I think you can talk about experimental, but it will be monologue |
| 10:46.20 | liable | sid is becoming more widely used, then we get feature creep to experimental. it all ends in tears when we do get a bad bug in libc6 or something |
| 10:47.03 | liable | then peole cry that debian hosed their box |
| 10:47.39 | piko | tuxcrafter: as liable said :-) that is very true |
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| 10:51.44 | debian_noob | im having a problem with synaptic |
| 10:52.00 | debian_noob | http://pastebin.com/m4661cebe |
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| 10:55.00 | piko | debian_noob: some problem in configuration, perhaps, actually why do you use synaptic over aptitude? |
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| 10:55.21 | piko | debian_noob: are you used to it? |
| 10:56.08 | debian_noob | piko:let me try aptitude |
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| 10:56.54 | codeshepherd | i am running lighty + fastcgi + php .. would like to move to nginx.. should I use nginx + fastcgi + php or nginx + php-fpm ? |
| 10:57.55 | piko | KTL: is twoftpd ok? |
| 10:58.06 | KTL | triing pure ftpd now |
| 10:58.23 | KTL | stressed |
| 10:58.34 | piko | KTL: good choice, but why not twoftpd :-) |
| 10:58.44 | debian_noob | piko: how do i use aptitude? |
| 10:58.54 | debian_noob | aptitude install "app" ? |
| 10:59.10 | liable | debian_noob: yes |
| 10:59.15 | debian_noob | ok |
| 10:59.17 | debian_noob | thanks |
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| 10:59.37 | KTL | piko, nearly absent documentation/examples and some errors |
| 10:59.42 | piko | debian_noob: there are two ways - one is command line (aptitude update - updates database and aptitude install <pkg>), another just aptitude and ncurses shows |
| 10:59.58 | debian_noob | ok |
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| 11:02.03 | KTL | IT WORKED |
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| 11:02.12 | piko | KTL: I said so :-) |
| 11:02.19 | KTL | http://sector.ynet.sk/PureFTPd.Quick_Setup_for_Impatient |
| 11:03.39 | KTL | it did it |
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| 11:04.25 | piko | imagines KTL hoping and dancing around server room |
| 11:04.34 | KTL | it's too cold here too move too much |
| 11:04.49 | piko | KTL: where? Which country? |
| 11:04.56 | KTL | time to call someone to tell that he does not have to throw the machines in the container :D |
| 11:05.08 | piko | KTL: great |
| 11:05.15 | KTL | just belgium |
| 11:05.33 | piko | KTL: not so far from here, really cold? |
| 11:05.41 | KTL | no, just a lack of clothing :D |
| 11:05.47 | piko | ok |
| 11:06.49 | matmo | hi all. Just done a netinstall on an old comp on which I can only have cdrom/net (pcmcia). Had to skip net and mirror config. Is there a way to rerun install to complete (this time with nw card inserted)? |
| 11:07.28 | tayssir | Hello! I just did installed linux-image-2.6.18-6-686, but uname -r still claims I have 2.6.9-023stab048.4-enterprise. How do I ensure that I really have 2.6.18-6-686? |
| 11:07.30 | tayssir | (This was asked on #ubuntu, but maybe this is a better place, since this is more an APT issue..) |
| 11:07.34 | piko | matmo: actually there is usually no reason, does the network card work? |
| 11:08.08 | piko | tayssir: do you use grub? |
| 11:08.24 | matmo | piko: no. I think the module is selected ok but no interfaces |
| 11:08.43 | piko | matmo: is there something in ifconfig -a ? |
| 11:08.47 | tayssir | piko: Ahh, good question, I'm doing this over SSH and just assumed it'd upgrade to the current version after reboot. |
| 11:08.52 | matmo | nothing |
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| 11:08.52 | x1250 | tayssir, maybe you could disable the old kernel from menu.lst, boot the new one, and purge the old one. |
| 11:08.59 | jelly | tayssir: uname shows information about currently running kernel. It won't be updated before reboot |
| 11:09.05 | piko | matmo: how about lspcmcia? |
| 11:09.10 | debian_noob | piko: now this error is coming http://pastebin.com/m7446ff6c |
| 11:09.37 | tayssir | x1250: Ahh, good points everyone... I'll try that. |
| 11:09.40 | piko | debian_noob: actually how experienced are you? |
| 11:09.52 | debian_noob | my name tells it all |
| 11:09.55 | piko | tayssir: check also links in /boot |
| 11:09.57 | matmo | piko: gimme 10min while I boot it up (other room) and come back on irc |
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| 11:10.14 | piko | debian_noob: ok, I need more precise information, what are you used to do with linux |
| 11:10.51 | debian_noob | im a beginner |
| 11:11.05 | piko | debian_noob: are you just trying to see if it works, are you programmer trying to work with linux ... |
| 11:11.06 | debian_noob | actually before yesterday it worked properly |
| 11:11.16 | piko | debian_noob: I need to know to advice you best |
| 11:11.32 | debian_noob | im a beginner in linux |
| 11:11.36 | piko | debian_noob: try aptitude update |
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| 11:11.56 | piko | debian_noob: and paste me result |
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| 11:12.06 | debian_noob | ok |
| 11:12.30 | [M4rk0] | piko everything seems fine on system... in single user mode I can run mysql and other services but in normal mode everything fails |
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| 11:13.12 | ktwilight | does RAID boot require initrd? even though i've compiled raid requires in-kernel? |
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| 11:13.28 | jeffd_ | Is there a way I can do an apt-get source on a package (libwnck) but force its version to be <2.24? I have experimental sources enabled, but at this point I do not want it as I am running 2.22 |
| 11:13.30 | jelly | ktwilight: md raid? |
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| 11:13.44 | ktwilight | jelly, sw raid, yes |
| 11:14.04 | debian_noob | piko:http://pastebin.com/m13f11df |
| 11:14.13 | jelly | ktwilight: if your partitions are marked as raid autodetect, the kernel should be able to figure them out |
| 11:14.31 | ktwilight | jelly, and if it's not marked as raid autodetect? |
| 11:14.32 | x1250 | debian_noob, did you modify /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 11:14.40 | jelly | ktwilight: no idea what happens then |
| 11:14.41 | ktwilight | it goes by mdadm.conf |
| 11:14.47 | x1250 | debian_noob, check that file |
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| 11:14.58 | debian_noob | yes, i did it yesterday to install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:15.02 | jelly | ktwilight: obviously the kernel doesn't have access to your mdadm.conf at boot |
| 11:15.19 | ktwilight | hmmm, 'cuz i have an issue with two kernels, same .config file, but one boots but the other doesn't. the one with initrd boots fine. though i don't quite see where the difference is since raid is in-kernel and not a module. |
| 11:15.21 | nardul | is there a way to sync users/passwords between to linux servers? |
| 11:15.24 | ktwilight | ah, good point |
| 11:15.26 | Maior | nardul: NIS |
| 11:16.20 | [M4rk0] | Why I can't login in system... |
| 11:16.23 | [M4rk0] | login: root |
| 11:16.26 | ktwilight | jelly, makes sense to me now, thanks :) |
| 11:16.31 | [M4rk0] | message: |
| 11:16.38 | nardul | Maior, Awesome, thanks. |
| 11:16.38 | [M4rk0] | Usage: login [-p] [name] |
| 11:16.39 | [M4rk0] | ... |
| 11:16.41 | [M4rk0] | what to do? |
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| 11:17.11 | debian_noob | x1250: /etc/apt/preferences did not exist before |
| 11:17.19 | debian_noob | i created it yesterday |
| 11:17.30 | x1250 | debian_noob, thats your problem |
| 11:17.36 | jelly | [M4rk0]: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:17.44 | x1250 | try to fix it |
| 11:17.51 | [M4rk0] | jelly, 4.0 |
| 11:17.56 | debian_noob | and i erased all its contents today |
| 11:18.05 | x1250 | debian_noob, rm it |
| 11:18.13 | piko | [M4rk0]: this is strange |
| 11:18.23 | [M4rk0] | jelly, in morning my system crashed after about 80 days online and I receive messages as segmentation fault |
| 11:18.31 | x1250 | debian_noob, I don't know if it will fix your issue, but I would rm it :P |
| 11:18.32 | jelly | [M4rk0]: what happens if you log in as a normal user? |
| 11:18.38 | [M4rk0] | I can't login |
| 11:18.39 | debian_noob | ok |
| 11:18.40 | debian_noob | ill try |
| 11:18.44 | [M4rk0] | only in single user mode |
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| 11:18.49 | [M4rk0] | when everything is fine |
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| 11:19.11 | piko | [M4rk0]: was fsck ok? |
| 11:19.18 | jelly | [M4rk0]: and when logging in as root, it doesn't ask you for a password? |
| 11:19.27 | piko | [M4rk0]: and were the filesystem controlled before? |
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| 11:19.38 | [M4rk0] | piko, yes |
| 11:19.43 | piko | jelly: he has probably problem with inittab |
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| 11:19.48 | [M4rk0] | jelly, nope after ENTER message Usage: login [-p] [name] |
| 11:19.54 | [M4rk0] | under login: root |
| 11:20.02 | piko | jelly: or some script/program calling login |
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| 11:20.12 | debian_noob | x1250 thanks it works now |
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| 11:22.02 | [M4rk0] | I see messages like: /etc/init.d/bootclean: line 89: 2248 Segmentation fault rm -f .X*-lock |
| 11:22.05 | [M4rk0] | ... |
| 11:22.12 | matmo | piko: ifconfig -a does show eth0 |
| 11:22.39 | jelly | [M4rk0]: can you pastebin your /proc/mounts from the single-user? |
| 11:22.47 | [M4rk0] | ... /etc/rcS.d/S55urandom: line 23: 2508 Segmentation fault rm -f $SAVEDFILE |
| 11:22.57 | [M4rk0] | just sec I need to retype it from screen |
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| 11:23.08 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 11:23.08 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 11:23.54 | piko | matmo: so you have pcmcia ? |
| 11:24.00 | matmo | yep |
| 11:24.50 | piko | [M4rk0]: I just guess, but perhaps you have problem with some overwritten files/programs ... |
| 11:24.59 | piko | matmo: the network works? |
| 11:25.15 | piko | matmo: ping www.debian.org gives something? |
| 11:25.43 | matmo | nope. I'm going to edit interfaces |
| 11:26.14 | piko | matmo: ok |
| 11:27.07 | [M4rk0] | piko, http://pastebin.ca/1313359 |
| 11:27.30 | [M4rk0] | mounts |
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| 11:28.28 | piko | [M4rk0]: what is this? /dev/hda1 /dev/.static/dev ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 11:28.37 | [M4rk0] | don't know |
| 11:29.20 | [M4rk0] | i don't see that in fstab |
| 11:29.29 | [M4rk0] | only in mounts |
| 11:29.48 | piko | [M4rk0]: give me please also fstab |
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| 11:30.15 | piko | [M4rk0]: do you use 32bit or 64bit system? |
| 11:31.21 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a problem with brasero, im trying to burn a cd but says there is a delete process in course...im running lenny |
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| 11:32.41 | assasukasse | how can i unlock my drive? |
| 11:32.55 | [M4rk0] | 32bit |
| 11:32.58 | [M4rk0] | piko, http://pastebin.ca/1313363 |
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| 11:34.55 | piko | [M4rk0]: I would try aptitude reinstall libc6 for sure |
| 11:35.24 | [M4rk0] | piko, in single-mode i can't read my network card... |
| 11:36.02 | piko | [M4rk0]: try ifconfig -a if it will show |
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| 11:37.41 | piko | [M4rk0]: if not, then some modules need to be modprobed |
| 11:37.41 | [M4rk0] | only lo |
| 11:38.07 | [M4rk0] | help :D |
| 11:38.12 | piko | [M4rk0]: what network card you have? |
| 11:38.21 | [M4rk0] | integrated on mb |
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| 11:38.33 | piko | [M4rk0]: give me lspci |
| 11:39.03 | [M4rk0] | Intel Corporation |
| 11:39.08 | matmo | piko: got nw access, set hostname, now doing apt sources |
| 11:39.44 | [M4rk0] | I'll put new pci network card just sec |
| 11:39.52 | piko | matmo: nice |
| 11:40.24 | piko | matmo: you use apt sources to compile debian? |
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| 11:41.18 | matmo | piko: nope, I had to skip netinstall at nw config so never got to set apt sources |
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| 11:44.58 | piko | matmo: so you edit sources.list :-) |
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| 11:45.20 | piko | [M4rk0]: give me output of lspci |
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| 11:45.47 | matmo | yep, but that's why I wondered if install could be rerun to complete missing steps |
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| 11:45.51 | debian_noob | can anybody help me setup my HP Laserjet 6L printer? |
| 11:46.04 | [M4rk0] | piko, i just installed new pci card i can see it... |
| 11:46.11 | [M4rk0] | can this couse network card? |
| 11:46.16 | matmo | eg, now I have to go looking up src sites for uk |
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| 11:46.49 | piko | [M4rk0]: no, that is nearly impossible |
| 11:47.14 | piko | [M4rk0]: is the network working for you? |
| 11:47.37 | [M4rk0] | hm |
| 11:47.43 | [M4rk0] | i setup ip and everything |
| 11:47.45 | [M4rk0] | ping ... |
| 11:47.50 | [M4rk0] | Segmentation fault |
| 11:48.16 | [M4rk0] | everything i try |
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| 11:48.18 | [M4rk0] | nano |
| 11:48.22 | [M4rk0] | or anything |
| 11:48.25 | [M4rk0] | next message is |
| 11:48.28 | [M4rk0] | Segmentation fault |
| 11:48.29 | piko | ok, let's verify your programs: Can you boot some live cd? |
| 11:48.33 | debian_noob | fmr:i installed hplip and ran hp-setup |
| 11:48.47 | [M4rk0] | I have ubuntu live 5.04 |
| 11:48.49 | debian_noob | fmr:but my printer is not being detected |
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| 11:49.25 | piko | [M4rk0]: boot it |
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| 11:49.33 | [M4rk0] | okay |
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| 11:51.01 | debian_noob | my printer is not being detected on hp-setup |
| 11:51.13 | debian_noob | its an hp laserjet 6l |
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| 11:53.19 | debian_noob | does anybody know the problem? |
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| 11:55.47 | debian_noob | my printer is not working |
| 11:56.02 | debian_noob | it is not being detected on hp-setup |
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| 11:57.32 | [M4rk0] | piko, its online |
| 11:58.10 | zamba | i need help setting up centralized ldap authentication.. i believe i have a running (but not sure if i have a working) slapd.. |
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| 11:58.48 | debian_noob | can anybody please help me with this problem? |
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| 12:01.22 | piko | debian_noob: install cups and try http://localhost:631 |
| 12:01.41 | piko | [M4rk0]: great, try fdisk -l to see how your disk is named |
| 12:02.13 | [M4rk0] | dev/hda1 extended |
| 12:02.13 | debian_noob | piko:cups is installed |
| 12:02.17 | piko | [M4rk0]: then verify that the disk is not mounted |
| 12:02.20 | [M4rk0] | oops |
| 12:02.23 | [M4rk0] | hda2 |
| 12:02.41 | [M4rk0] | its not mounted |
| 12:02.47 | piko | debian_noob: ok, it is usually set by web pages http://localhost:631 |
| 12:02.52 | piko | [M4rk0]:good |
| 12:03.00 | debian_noob | so what do i do now |
| 12:03.12 | piko | debian_noob: go to the web page |
| 12:03.18 | debian_noob | went |
| 12:03.34 | piko | [M4rk0]: as root: mkdir /mnt/foo |
| 12:03.50 | piko | [M4rk0]: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/foo |
| 12:04.08 | piko | [M4rk0]: mount -t proc none /mnt/foo/proc |
| 12:04.26 | debian_noob | piko:went to the web page |
| 12:04.27 | piko | [M4rk0]: mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/foo/dev |
| 12:04.45 | debian_noob | piko:what now? |
| 12:04.46 | piko | debian_noob: and is there some CUPS ... setup? |
| 12:04.55 | piko | debian_noob: ok, add new printer |
| 12:05.12 | debian_noob | ok |
| 12:05.22 | debian_noob | then? |
| 12:05.26 | piko | then select your one |
| 12:05.36 | debian_noob | select??? |
| 12:05.42 | debian_noob | there is no list |
| 12:05.46 | piko | debian_noob: wait ... |
| 12:05.59 | piko | [M4rk0]: chroot /mnt/foo |
| 12:06.15 | debian_noob | i can input name,location,description |
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| 12:06.19 | piko | [M4rk0]: you will be in your environment and you will be able to run some commends |
| 12:06.30 | [M4rk0] | just min something wrong with mounting |
| 12:06.43 | piko | debian_noob: ok, give name (no spaces) and whatever you want (non obligatoryú |
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| 12:06.58 | debian_noob | hm... |
| 12:07.24 | debian_noob | location? |
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| 12:07.30 | _buffer | hi |
| 12:07.31 | piko | debian_noob: up to you |
| 12:07.39 | piko | debian_noob: whatever you want |
| 12:07.48 | debian_noob | ok |
| 12:07.48 | _buffer | is it possible to use lenny repository just for a bunch of packages in etch? |
| 12:07.49 | debian_noob | done |
| 12:08.12 | debian_noob | i clicked in continue |
| 12:08.14 | amphi | !tell _buffer -about backports |
| 12:08.15 | bolt-work | _buffer: yes. you should consider backports, though. otherwise, there's pinning |
| 12:08.23 | bolt-work | !tell _buffer -about pinning |
| 12:08.39 | debian_noob | piko:then? |
| 12:08.40 | themill | _buffer: in general, no you can't |
| 12:08.49 | _buffer | cause i want to install etch, but want to use the some xen-images from lenny |
| 12:09.00 | debian_noob | what will i give as the device? |
| 12:09.05 | _buffer | if there are no deep depencies |
| 12:09.16 | bolt-work | they probably require etch's libc6? |
| 12:09.21 | bolt-work | er. lenny's |
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| 12:09.32 | _buffer | hm |
| 12:09.55 | debian_noob | piko: it is asking for the device?? |
| 12:10.04 | themill | _buffer: that is very unlikely to work. lenny is almost ready for stable release; perhaps that's good enough for you? |
| 12:10.10 | piko | debian_noob: ok, then how is it connected? |
| 12:10.12 | debian_noob | piko:whatdo i give? |
| 12:10.20 | piko | debian_noob: usb, parallel, network ..? |
| 12:10.22 | debian_noob | piko parallel port |
| 12:10.25 | _buffer | themill: youre right, maybe i should test it |
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| 12:10.52 | _buffer | where can i see how long a package exists? |
| 12:11.01 | debian_noob | piko:thereis no option for parallel port! |
| 12:11.04 | viktor | first milion that i made in this site http://www.burzs.com/edit/arg.php?id=40931 !!!!! |
| 12:11.45 | debian_noob | piko:what do i do now? |
| 12:11.56 | debian_noob | viktor:so whats your point? |
| 12:12.01 | zaph | I got an annoying problem I hope someone here can point me in the right direction to. Recently installed a lenny-server, we got 25 etch's running daemons from a NFS. But on the lenny-server I can mount the nfs share, but once I try to exec a binary file I get "-bash: ./httpd no such file or directory" but the file is there, and is chmod 755, and I can cat/strings the files content. Any clue to why it's working on etch but not on lenny? |
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| 12:12.29 | Maior | zaph: mounted with noexec? |
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| 12:13.05 | piko | debian_noob: give me a sec, I have not used it for lpt, btw, is it connected and switched on? |
| 12:13.06 | debian_noob | piko:should i select HP PRINTER (HPLIP)? |
| 12:13.16 | debian_noob | piko:yes |
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| 12:13.55 | viktor | first milion that i made in this site http://www.burzs.com/edit/arg.php?id=40931 !!!!! |
| 12:14.28 | piko | debian_noob: is there any opportunity for lpt? |
| 12:14.57 | piko | admins, there seems to be some spam ... |
| 12:15.00 | bolt-work | viktor: wtf? |
| 12:15.09 | debian_noob | piko:no but there is lpd/lpr |
| 12:15.23 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.27 | piko | debian_noob: some Parallel port things? |
| 12:15.33 | viktor | first milion that i made in this site http://www.burzs.com/edit/arg.php?id=40931 !!!!! |
| 12:15.34 | debian_noob | nope |
| 12:15.55 | piko | debian_noob: then try HP |
| 12:16.02 | debian_noob | HPLIP? |
| 12:16.09 | piko | yes |
| 12:16.14 | bolt-work | !ops viktor is spamming a link |
| 12:16.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bolt-work complains about: viktor is spamming a link |
| 12:16.20 | piko | debian_noob: is it plugged in and turned on? |
| 12:16.23 | asg | bolt-work: he already got k-lined |
| 12:16.24 | themill | bolt-work: he was klined a couple of minutes ago |
| 12:16.37 | debian_noob | piko:yes |
| 12:16.41 | RichiH | bolt-work: kinda late, eh? ;) |
| 12:17.28 | debian_noob | piko:its asking for device url |
| 12:17.46 | bolt-work | strange. i just got his messages. his k-line appeared after my report here |
| 12:17.52 | bolt-work | checks his network |
| 12:17.57 | debian_noob | piko:what to give? |
| 12:17.58 | piko | debian_noob: then we go wrong ... wait |
| 12:18.42 | bolt-work | humbly apoligizes to the ops :) |
| 12:18.44 | themill | hp-makeuri from the hplip package |
| 12:19.24 | KTL | piko, it didnt work till just now |
| 12:19.33 | KTL | piko, i could upload perfectly |
| 12:19.41 | KTL | but the security camera did not |
| 12:19.53 | KTL | why? because the anonymous login did not ask for a password |
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| 12:20.08 | KTL | and the cam expected to have to give a password |
| 12:20.19 | piko | debian_noob: try aptitude search cups and paste me the result |
| 12:20.28 | piko | KTL: ? |
| 12:20.41 | piko | KTL: nice |
| 12:21.00 | KTL | i hate setting up ftp servers, always have |
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| 12:21.22 | piko | KTL: this one is good |
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| 12:23.20 | debian_noob | piko:http://pastebin.com/m1df2732 |
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| 12:24.28 | debian_noob | piko:i have to go |
| 12:24.35 | debian_noob | piko talk to you later |
| 12:24.38 | debian_noob | bye |
| 12:24.58 | piko | nice |
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| 12:26.55 | gavron | !sh |
| 12:26.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sh is the POSIX shell, or the old System V (and earlier) Bourne shell, or usually a symbolic link to /bin/bash on a GNU/Linux system |
| 12:27.13 | Maior | ew |
| 12:27.32 | Maior | surely the "usually a..." is a really bad idea |
| 12:28.32 | themill | Maior: why? It is by default in debian and has been in most distros for a very long time. |
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| 12:30.11 | Maior | themill: I thought half the world broke when some distro made sh a symlink to dash for speed, which while sh compatible, wasn't bash compatible, and people had scripts using /bin/sh assuming it was /bin/bash |
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| 12:31.35 | robert83a4 | hello, using debian etch, I've did a hostname euportal.edu.rs , not hostname -f reports euportal.edu.yu, but still in /etc/hosts I saw euportal.edu.yu so I changed it by hand to euportal.edu.rs, is there any other place in debian where one must change hostname? |
| 12:31.55 | themill | Maior: it's only a problem if people use #!/bin/sh when they mean #!/bin/sh. Doing so is a bug and usually gets fixed pretty quickly. Also remember that there haven't been viable posix-compatible replacements to bash (like dash or posh) until reasonably recently. |
| 12:32.34 | bolt-work | robert83a4: nope, unless some of your config files have it set. try a "grep -ri <oldhostname> /etc/" or something |
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| 12:33.01 | Maior | themill: right, my point is that surely the "or usually.*" encourages people to make that mistake |
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| 12:33.58 | robert83a4 | bolt-work : thankyou |
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| 12:35.00 | bolt-work | robert83a4: np |
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| 12:36.30 | [M4rk0] | piko, chroot ... what's next |
| 12:36.45 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, fine, try aptitude update |
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| 12:37.03 | piko | [M4rk0]: or something to se if it works |
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| 12:40.22 | [M4rk0] | Couldn't stat source package list |
| 12:40.24 | [M4rk0] | ... |
| 12:40.30 | [M4rk0] | piko when I try to ping some address |
| 12:40.34 | [M4rk0] | ping ... |
| 12:40.37 | [M4rk0] | Segmentation fault |
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| 12:41.27 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, then I guess that some very important part of your system is corrupted - try cp /etc/passwd /tmp |
| 12:41.37 | piko | [M4rk0]: does it produce segfault? |
| 12:41.50 | [M4rk0] | nope |
| 12:41.52 | [M4rk0] | works fine |
| 12:42.02 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, rm /tmp/passwd |
| 12:42.06 | piko | ok? |
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| 12:42.14 | [M4rk0] | now |
| 12:42.17 | [M4rk0] | Segmentation fault |
| 12:42.27 | piko | ldd /bin/rm |
| 12:42.58 | [M4rk0] | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 12:43.00 | [M4rk0] | ... |
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| 12:44.00 | piko | do you have another shell? |
| 12:44.14 | piko | like bash, dash, tcsh |
| 12:44.20 | [M4rk0] | this is bash |
| 12:44.28 | [M4rk0] | tcsh |
| 12:44.29 | piko | [M4rk0]: and some other? |
| 12:44.29 | [M4rk0] | now |
| 12:44.45 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, start another one and try both cp and rm |
| 12:45.04 | piko | [M4rk0]: do you know what was the cause of system's crash? |
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| 12:46.10 | [M4rk0] | Nope, in morning just stoped responding... restarted and segmentation faults... (radius, apache, mysql, bind, mail) that primary stuff |
| 12:46.29 | [M4rk0] | tcsh |
| 12:46.35 | [M4rk0] | rm ... Segmentation fault |
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| 12:48.24 | piko | [M4rk0]: would it be complicated to reinstall? |
| 12:49.00 | [M4rk0] | that's last option |
| 12:49.03 | [M4rk0] | but it seems only |
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| 12:49.09 | [M4rk0] | I'll add new hdd |
| 12:49.12 | [M4rk0] | lots of configs |
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| 12:49.33 | [M4rk0] | now about 700 users is offline no pppoe :| |
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| 12:50.26 | piko | [M4rk0]: the problem is: There can be various reasons: someone broke into, broken filesystem ... I suspect broken FS, so if you want to keep it, copy libc6 package, unpack it and copy files by hand to their locations, then you can perhaps do aptitude reinstall to everything |
| 12:50.46 | [M4rk0] | I think FS... |
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| 12:51.31 | [M4rk0] | But I'll install all from start on new hdd and recover configs from this one |
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| 12:51.48 | piko | It will be demanding and maybe complicated work, on the other hand, you can copy /etc/ save all packages you have by some dpkg command, do bootstrap and copy /etc back |
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| 12:52.26 | piko | [M4rk0]: so what do you think? |
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| 12:53.20 | [M4rk0] | I'll try |
| 12:53.22 | [M4rk0] | few |
| 12:53.24 | [M4rk0] | options |
| 12:53.24 | piko | [M4rk0]: try copy contents of libc6, then try to run aptitude |
| 12:53.28 | [M4rk0] | thank you on your time |
| 12:53.40 | [M4rk0] | okay |
| 12:53.44 | [M4rk0] | I'll try that |
| 12:53.52 | piko | [M4rk0]: well, I am really interested in trying, but responsibility is yours :-) |
| 12:53.59 | themill | [M4rk0]: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg debian clone ; /msg dpkg debsums |
| 12:54.35 | themill | You may need to do these things off a livecd or similar if your machine is either no longer trustworthy or badly borked. |
| 12:54.50 | piko | [M4rk0]: anyway, I really would be interested in result |
| 12:54.55 | hoxu | !seagate |
| 12:54.55 | dpkg | Seagate Barracuda 7200.11, ES.2 and DiamondMax 22 models have potential firmware issues, check http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=207931 - the firmware update is known to toast 500 GB drives |
| 12:54.59 | hoxu | ^ in case anyone missed the news |
| 12:55.03 | codeshepherd | apt-get remove nginx throws the following error dpkg: error processing nginx (--remove): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 12:55.11 | codeshepherd | how do i fix it ? |
| 12:55.46 | coolpro | how to install webmin by terminal? |
| 12:56.00 | [M4rk0] | piko, You suggest to install new system then with live cd copy etc from old to one? |
| 12:56.23 | [M4rk0] | new one |
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| 12:57.13 | [M4rk0] | themill, a little complicated for me |
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| 12:57.40 | coolpro | how to install wemin? |
| 12:57.41 | coolpro | webmin |
| 12:57.47 | rdz | hi all. the man page for mkfs.ext3 mentions the option -m, which specifies the percentage of reserver blocks. when i use a certain filesystem as the home directory, woud you rather suggest using a higher value or lower? |
| 12:57.52 | themill | dpkg: tell coolpro about webmin |
| 12:58.03 | themill | coolpro: we don't recommend webmin. |
| 12:58.09 | piko | [M4rk0]: I suggest to backup /etc maybe also /var (check the themill's messages) and to save the package list (some dpkg command), maybe, if you have som data, save /home/ /root/ /usr/local/ |
| 12:58.21 | [M4rk0] | I'm just reading dpkg :D |
| 12:58.24 | Maior | /opt |
| 12:58.24 | jelly | rdz: keep the default |
| 12:58.26 | piko | [M4rk0]: then try to install new system by debootstrap script |
| 12:58.32 | rdz | jelly, thanks |
| 12:58.57 | piko | [M4rk0]: yeah, as Maior says, /opt is also good idea |
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| 12:59.10 | coolpro | i can only connect by ssh to my server. how to install webmin? |
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| 12:59.48 | piko | [M4rk0]: actually if the / is not too big, you can save whole / |
| 13:00.00 | [M4rk0] | it's about 5 gb |
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| 13:00.08 | piko | [M4rk0]: not so big |
| 13:00.11 | [M4rk0] | new hdd is 160gb |
| 13:00.18 | rdz | coolpro, aptitude search webmin, if you see, what you want, then do: aptitude install <whatyouwanttoinstall> |
| 13:00.46 | [M4rk0] | coolpro, aptitude update , aptitude install webmin |
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| 13:01.20 | [M4rk0] | piko, now I'm little confused... |
| 13:01.31 | coolpro | debian can't find webmin, whereas ubunt finds |
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| 13:01.45 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, then save it, perhaps format the old disk (for sure), chroot to it, download debootstrap (unless ubuntu has) run the script, it will install the whole system and copy etc back |
| 13:01.51 | piko | [M4rk0]: ok, ask |
| 13:02.47 | [M4rk0] | debootstrap will copy my backup of / to new installed system |
| 13:02.50 | [M4rk0] | trought live cd? |
| 13:04.39 | piko | [M4rk0]: no, sorry for that: let's pressume you have corrupted fs mounted on /mnt/foo, new disk on /mnt/new: run tar cvpf /mnt/new/backup.tar /mnt/foo/* |
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| 13:04.48 | themill | coolpro: debian doesn't have webmin. I already told you that. |
| 13:04.50 | rdz | coolpro, i tested on both, ubuntu and debian, and both show no results |
| 13:05.10 | rdz | coolpro, are you sure about the name 'webmin'? what is it? what does it? |
| 13:05.15 | rdz | *do |
| 13:05.23 | themill | rdz: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 13:05.36 | piko | [M4rk0]: then to be faster do cp -rp /mnt/foo/etc /mnt/new/etc_bak |
| 13:05.40 | [M4rk0] | coolpro, wget http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin_1.441_all.deb , dpkg -i webmin_1.441_all.deb |
| 13:05.43 | Maior | roflrofl (re webmin) |
| 13:05.57 | Maior | [M4rk0]: ask dpkg about webmin ;) |
| 13:06.05 | themill | [M4rk0]: btw we don't encourage people to use webmin on #debian. |
| 13:06.15 | [M4rk0] | okay sorry |
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| 13:08.31 | rdz | is it expectable, that mkfs.ext3 needs a few seconds to write the first 1000 inode tables, but is _very_ slow for the next 2000? |
| 13:08.44 | piko | [M4rk0]: then umount /mnt/foo, do mkfs.<whateverfsyouwant> /dev/<appropriate disk device>, then mount the formatted disk to /mnt/foo, download debootstrap or run it directly (if present in ubuntu), run debootstrap with appropriate params to install basic debian, then you can chroot to /mnt/foo and you will be able to run aptitude a nd do whatever you want. Do you have distribution or compiled kernel? |
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| 13:09.05 | [M4rk0] | piko, wow you are so helpful! Thanx man! :) |
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| 13:10.44 | [M4rk0] | piko, I have DVD Debian 4.0 r4 |
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| 13:18.12 | piko | [M4rk0]: np, try to find there debootstrap |
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| 13:18.54 | Tahvok | !help |
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| 13:27.22 | Yorix | how do i erase all files in a directory without deleting the directory? i dont know how many files there are, i dont know their names also..... any ideas? |
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| 13:28.07 | liable | Yorix: rm /dir/* |
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| 13:30.02 | Yorix | what if there are subdirectories? |
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| 13:30.10 | liable | rm -r |
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| 13:30.57 | Yorix | liable: ok, last one... what if there are no files or subdirectories? |
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| 13:31.13 | liable | Yorix: it does nothing |
| 13:31.33 | Yorix | liable: how do i avoide terminal message? |
| 13:31.44 | bolt-work | Yorix: what message? |
| 13:31.46 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 13:32.13 | liable | you said the second last one was the last one! |
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| 13:32.25 | Yorix | the message that appears when i execute rm -r /dir/* and there are no files or subdirectories |
| 13:32.32 | bolt-work | Yorix: rm -r /dir/* 2>/dev/null |
| 13:32.51 | Yorix | nice |
| 13:32.54 | Yorix | thx |
| 13:33.02 | Yorix | to both of you |
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| 13:43.31 | matmo_ | piko: sorted sources, updated/upgraded. Tried to add jvm and it installed X11 not xorg. Isn't xorg prefered? |
| 13:44.23 | eheil` | Hey everyone. |
| 13:46.23 | coolpro | Hey |
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| 13:57.49 | piko | matmo_: Xorg is preferred over X86Free, X11 are both |
| 13:58.57 | matmo_ | piko: "X11 are both" - I don't understand |
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| 14:00.04 | matmo_ | piko: xorg is not installed |
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| 14:17.58 | jelly | matmo_: what installed "X11"? what exact package names were installed? |
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| 14:19.00 | zash_ | isn't X11 the protocol? |
| 14:19.27 | hark | !x11 |
| 14:19.27 | dpkg | [x11] a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
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| 14:23.45 | matmo_ | jelly: oops, can't get back into aptitude. Can I just delete /var/lib/dpkg/lock? |
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| 14:25.50 | zash_ | matmo_: ctrl+z ? |
| 14:26.24 | matmo_ | zash_: does nothing |
| 14:26.47 | jelly | matmo_: kill apt/aptitude/dpkg processes first |
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| 14:27.15 | zash_ | matmo_: if you pressed ctrl+z in aptitude, run fg to get it back |
| 14:28.16 | matmo_ | jell: ok, I had not put it into bg but somehow it did. Now killed... |
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| 14:30.14 | matmo_ | now back in aptitude. X11 packages installed: libx11-data, ttf-dejavu, x11-common. So I can safely install xorg? |
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| 14:34.18 | matmo_ | doing it anyway but thought xorg would be a jwm dependency |
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| 14:37.22 | rdz | is there a tool to show diskactivity in the CLI? |
| 14:37.41 | sphenxes01 | my computer screen go black every 30 min. how can i stop the screen from blacking every few minutes |
| 14:37.46 | asg | rdz: iostat |
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| 14:38.01 | stew | matmo_: no, not many things actually depend on xorg. since X11 is a networked protocol, X clients (including window managers) don't need to be installed on the same machine as the server |
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| 14:38.35 | asg | sphenxes01: xset |
| 14:38.53 | matmo_ | stew: thanks for the explanation |
| 14:39.03 | sphenxes01 | asg, thanks |
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| 14:48.17 | Tenkawa | Anyone running debian on an aspire one? |
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| 14:48.38 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, why do you ask? |
| 14:48.45 | Tenkawa | wanted to know what the rest of you think of its "status" |
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| 14:48.52 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, My friend runs debian on his Aspire One. |
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| 14:48.56 | stmaher | Hi guys.. does anyone know a command line mail client that you can modify the "From" address using a param? |
| 14:48.57 | stmaher | thanks |
| 14:49.04 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, he's also run Linspire, Arch, Fedora...... |
| 14:49.11 | Tenkawa | H2S04: does his ethernet driver spew dropped receive packets? |
| 14:49.12 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, he's put most of the main Distro's on it. |
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| 14:49.21 | piovasco | hello |
| 14:49.21 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, Not that I know of. |
| 14:49.31 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, he hasn't had problems with Debian that he's told me about. |
| 14:49.36 | Tenkawa | well they aren't real from what I've read.. just shows up in ifconfig |
| 14:49.42 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, he had the most trouble with Arch. |
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| 14:49.46 | Tenkawa | ahh |
| 14:49.54 | H2S04 | Tenkawa, if you idle here I'll ask him when he's on later. |
| 14:50.03 | H2S04 | He's at uni I think. |
| 14:50.08 | Tenkawa | ok. .thanks |
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| 14:51.18 | Tenkawa | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=34344&sid=d22c96ef8ce50699cc700e5fdb24ea44 |
| 14:51.29 | Tenkawa | thats an example of another person seeing the problem |
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| 14:52.16 | piovasco | I have a Q, hope someone might help me out.... |
| 14:52.22 | piovasco | i have a wireless modem for dsl conection at home. this connection is used by a winvista laptop(wireless connection) and a debian lenny desktop (ethernet connection) |
| 14:52.39 | piovasco | the printer is connected to the desktop |
| 14:53.11 | bolt-work | one line, please :) |
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| 14:53.47 | piovasco | i know the ip for the laptop is 192.168.0.12 and the desktop is 192.168.0.10 |
| 14:53.55 | bolt-work | piovasco: samba/cups |
| 14:54.37 | piovasco | brb: googling |
| 14:55.15 | bolt-work | ..if what you want is to see your printer from the windows machine the way a windows machine normally sees a networked printer on another unholy thing such as itself |
| 14:55.25 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue if autofs is supposed to work with davfs ? mine just whines about no such file or directoy |
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| 14:56.46 | tuxcrafter | i am searching for someting called dicOOo for openoffice.org to add an dutch opentaal language pack |
| 14:56.46 | tuxcrafter | somebody any ideas? |
| 14:56.46 | piovasco | well, ive been trying to use VNC, just to play arround, maybe see if i can use it to print, but connection don-t work, |
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| 14:57.11 | piovasco | as if 192.168.0.10/12 had no vnc servers running |
| 14:57.27 | powerball | hello, i need to have two ips from the same subnet on one NIC/ like 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2 . how to configure? |
| 14:57.51 | piovasco | ive tried vncserver on the winbox and connect form the linbox, as well as the other way arround |
| 14:57.56 | bolt-work | piovasco: if you want your windows machine to be able to use your linux printer, you should try sharing it with samba. vnc is not very useful for this, as transferring the document and printing it locally is a tedious way to do it |
| 14:57.59 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:58.17 | piovasco | thant bolt-work |
| 14:58.22 | piovasco | *thanks |
| 14:58.56 | piovasco | i should install samba on the linbox ... anything on the winobx_ |
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| 14:59.25 | powerball | petemc: it does not work. I have eth0 and (eth0:1 and eth0:2 with same settings and different ip) - after adding eth0:2 - eth0:1 and eth0:2 stopped working |
| 14:59.43 | petemc | powerball: i can assure you it does |
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| 15:01.10 | matmo_ | I suspended aptitude to run startx, put startx in bg, then tried returning to aptitude but it is appears always stopped even after "fg %1". Tips? |
| 15:01.28 | powerball | petemc: i did it right now and it does not work. maybe because of duplicate default gateway |
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| 15:02.11 | petemc | powerball: it should work even with the gateway line, but you can leave it out |
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| 15:03.12 | powerball | petemc: the reality is cruel. how to diagnose why did it stop? |
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| 15:03.56 | petemc | powerball: dmesg/messages/syslog are good starting points. are the interfaces still up? what does stopped mean? |
| 15:04.18 | MasterCJ | hey guys, it's 1AM where i am, my brain and google skills are failing, i was wondering if someone could just point me to a guide/tutorial/outline/brief explanation (really, anything) on installing debian from within another linux system... as in, mounting the iso and starting the install. |
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| 15:04.44 | petemc | MasterCJ: the debian install guide covers that scenario |
| 15:04.56 | MasterCJ | excellent |
| 15:05.07 | MasterCJ | for some reason, i thought it was in a seperate document |
| 15:05.09 | MasterCJ | thank you :D |
| 15:05.10 | stew | MasterCJ: you want to use 'debootstrap' |
| 15:05.19 | MasterCJ | ah, even better |
| 15:05.30 | powerball | petemc: eth0:1 and eth0:2 are down. eth0 worked, but looks like i've done some mistake whan removed default gateway from 0:2. waiting for server to up |
| 15:05.39 | rdz | asg, many thanks.. exactly what i was looking for |
| 15:05.48 | asg | rdz: you're welcome |
| 15:06.53 | zamba | which nfs server should one use? |
| 15:07.04 | zamba | the user or kernel version.. and what about nfsv3? |
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| 15:08.22 | jelly | zamba: kernel version. use vers=3. |
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| 15:09.25 | zamba | jelly: what package+ |
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| 15:13.24 | jimpy | where does the samba package put the smbpasswd file by default? |
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| 15:13.44 | JyZyXEL | is there a program that allows running completely encrypted debian? |
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| 15:14.31 | jimpy | JyZyXEL its hard to completly encrypt it |
| 15:14.58 | jimpy | JyZyXEL youll always need the bootloader and a few other bits and bobs |
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| 15:15.12 | jimpy | !efs |
| 15:15.12 | dpkg | from memory, efs is at http://aeschi.ch.eu.org/efs/ (Extent File System support (read-only)) or emacs' integrated FTP client |
| 15:15.24 | zamba | jimpy: /etc/samba, i believe |
| 15:15.27 | jimpy | hmm was after encrypted file system |
| 15:16.14 | jimpy | zamba, nop |
| 15:16.17 | abrotman | !encfs ? |
| 15:16.33 | jimpy | theres only smb.conf |
| 15:16.39 | abrotman | there are plenty of howtos out there about an encrypted system |
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| 15:17.37 | Sebboh | Hi, all. I have a process running on a server that occasionally dies. I want to monitor the process list and simply restart it automatically if/when it fails. Is there some existing tool I can use for this? Maybe even with features like logging, and detecting an immediate failure and giving up in that case? |
| 15:17.59 | newsense | Sebboh, look into monit |
| 15:18.04 | Sebboh | k |
| 15:18.20 | newsense | Sebboh, it can do all that and more with a nice ui |
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| 15:18.59 | miller7 | hi, I have a lenny installation that was working fine but now it does not show boot screen any more... I booted from rescue CD and disks are ok. What should I check on grub?? |
| 15:19.10 | newsense | Sebboh, http://mmonit.com/monit/screenshots/monit.html <some screenshots |
| 15:19.15 | miller7 | when I try to boot it goes CR 3 times and it shows blank |
| 15:19.17 | Sebboh | newsense, This looks like a commercial product, and I don't have the option of using a GUI on that system. |
| 15:19.18 | miller7 | black |
| 15:19.26 | jimpy | miller7 what boot screen? |
| 15:19.28 | Maior | Sebboh: while true, run program |
| 15:19.34 | Maior | assuming it's blocking |
| 15:19.43 | miller7 | jimpy: it should show the kernel choice screen but it does not |
| 15:19.56 | miller7 | jimpy: file system is checked |
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| 15:20.13 | newsense | Sebboh, nagios3 is another i know of |
| 15:20.14 | jimpy | miller7 it sounds like you've broken grub then |
| 15:20.18 | linux_stu | if i install the package default-jre, will i not get a jre that will work in firefox? that's what's happened to me |
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| 15:20.39 | jimpy | or lilo whatever you installed |
| 15:21.23 | jimpy | miller7 what has changed recently on your system? |
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| 15:21.30 | stew | linux_stu: no, you need a "plugin" package. what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:21.31 | miller7 | jimpy: I added 6 GB RAM |
| 15:21.36 | miller7 | nothing else |
| 15:21.37 | linux_stu | stew, lenny |
| 15:21.57 | jimpy | miller7 and taking that ram out does what? |
| 15:22.08 | stew | linux_stu: you can install 'icedtea-gcjwebplugin' if you want the free plugin, or sun-java6-plugin if you want the non-free plugin |
| 15:22.12 | jimpy | miller7, it could be possible youve over loaded your mobo |
| 15:22.19 | stew | linux_stu: which arch are you running? i386? amd64? something else? |
| 15:22.27 | linux_stu | stew, i386 |
| 15:22.35 | miller7 | jimpy: no idea, haven't tried to take RAM off. But it's a server box, it's not some commodity h/w |
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| 15:22.58 | jimpy | miller7 but 32bit archecture can only handle 4gb regardless of the OS |
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| 15:23.04 | jimpy | (with a single cpu) |
| 15:23.06 | stew | linux_stu: then yeah, those two are your best options |
| 15:23.08 | miller7 | I installed 64bit OS lenny |
| 15:23.26 | jimpy | ok |
| 15:23.29 | stew | jimpy: the -bigmem kernels on i386 can handle up to 64gb |
| 15:23.36 | linux_stu | thanks stew |
| 15:24.09 | Sebboh | Maior, eh, yes and no. |
| 15:25.17 | Sebboh | newsense, I've checked out monit now, and I see that it does 30x what I need. ..But I'll go ahead and use it. Thanks. :) |
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| 15:25.30 | jimpy | stew your sure? i was taught that was impossible |
| 15:25.46 | Maior | jimpy: PAE |
| 15:25.56 | jimpy | ofc yea |
| 15:25.57 | newsense | Sebboh, yeah its pretty feature rich and might be a little much but its nice |
| 15:26.06 | stew | jimpy: i'm 100% positive |
| 15:26.16 | jimpy | yea i forgot about PAE |
| 15:26.20 | stu8ball | Yeah, with PAE you can address up to 64GB of RAM but single processes can't get at more than 2GB of it. |
| 15:26.20 | miller7 | what are the commands to check my grub partition if it's set correctly? or just reinstall the boot partition? Any suggestions what I should do? |
| 15:26.24 | jimpy | its been a long time |
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| 15:26.46 | stew | jimpy: see the description: http://packages.debian.org/etch/atl2-modules-2.6-686-bigmem-etchnhalf |
| 15:26.55 | stew | "with 4-64G RAM" |
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| 15:28.35 | Maior | I just went for 64bit Lenny |
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| 15:28.39 | zash_ | is there a thorough explanation of exactly how and what and where gtk+ and other toolkits does/sits anywhere? |
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| 15:29.08 | tsairox | Hello all, for the life of me, I just can't get my xorg.conf settings to cooperate. I have a 40" Samsung hdtv and an nvidia GeForce 5500 card. I just decided to go with Debian 64 bit today. |
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| 15:29.34 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 15:30.02 | tsairox | the highest resolution is 640x800 |
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| 15:30.14 | rdz | i just foud out, that the machine, where i am playing back a backup from an external usb drive, only supports uhci (usb 1.1). would it be faster to do it from another box over 100Mbps network connection? |
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| 15:30.22 | mcgreg | I probably have a stupid question but I'll ask it anyway ;) I created a usb-hdd image using live-magic. it created a *.img file ... what exactly should I do with it now? |
| 15:30.24 | ilaiho | does apt-cacher-ng support caching yum too? |
| 15:32.04 | jimpy | miller7, stew, how would lilo behave then if it wasnt compiled with bigmem support? |
| 15:32.47 | rwaite | oh fair lenny, where art thou |
| 15:34.00 | jamon | last i checked lenny was humming away nicely on my servers and desktop rwaite ;) |
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| 15:37.01 | newsense | if one chooses encrypted lvm in the lenny installer is a physical created than a luks container put on it or is the partition set as a lvm physical volume and a group added than the luks container ? |
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| 15:41.15 | JyZyXEL | all i know is that TrueCrypt only does windows ;( |
| 15:41.29 | enouf | erm.. what? |
| 15:41.37 | asg | JyZyXEL: it has mac and linux support |
| 15:41.39 | JyZyXEL | like the whole system encryption thing |
| 15:42.21 | stew | jimpy: lilo doesn't need bigmem support. i would not use very much memory |
| 15:42.47 | JyZyXEL | stew why is the bigmem such a seperate thing anyways? |
| 15:42.52 | jelly | zamba: /msg dpkg search; nfs-kernel-server |
| 15:42.56 | miksuh | Jyzethere is linux version of truecrypt too |
| 15:43.02 | newsense | JyZyXEL, luks is what your referring to |
| 15:43.05 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: |
| 15:43.17 | stoned | man |
| 15:43.17 | stew | JyZyXEL: what do you mean by separate? |
| 15:43.26 | newsense | JyZyXEL, and you can encrypt all but /boot |
| 15:43.27 | stoned | I dunno why I did what I did yesterday |
| 15:43.31 | JyZyXEL | stew i saw bigmem kernel seperated in apt |
| 15:43.36 | Maior | <3 LUKS |
| 15:43.46 | JyZyXEL | stew like there was a special version of the kernel "-bigmem" |
| 15:43.53 | jamon | newsense: does it have to be lvm? |
| 15:43.57 | newsense | no |
| 15:44.07 | stoned | I deleted my debian partitios on my desktop, and installed NTFS/xp/visual studio and now I'm going... FUCK. Shouldnt've done that |
| 15:44.10 | jamon | that'll remove some complications for you ;) |
| 15:44.10 | stoned | oh boy |
| 15:44.13 | jelly | JyZyXEL: why do you ask? |
| 15:44.25 | stoned | its boring |
| 15:44.25 | JyZyXEL | jelly ask what? |
| 15:44.35 | jelly | JyZyXEL: <JyZyXEL> stew why is the bigmem such a seperate thing anyways? |
| 15:44.44 | JyZyXEL | im interested |
| 15:44.52 | stew | JyZyXEL: in order for a 32 bit cpu to access more than 4gb of memory, it needs to do some 'tricks', since 2^32 is about 4 billion |
| 15:44.53 | matmo_ | thanks for the help. cya. |
| 15:44.56 | miksuh | JyZyXEL: bigmem kernel allows you to have upto 64GB ram |
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| 15:45.02 | miksuh | on 43bit debian |
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| 15:45.07 | miksuh | on 32bit debian |
| 15:45.08 | jelly | JyZyXEL: because it makes things slower. |
| 15:45.10 | stoned | there is a 43 bit debian!? |
| 15:45.15 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 15:45.19 | stew | JyZyXEL: so the -bigmem kernels do some "tricks" to get beyond this 4gb limit, which makes them less efficient, so most people don't want a bigmem kernel |
| 15:45.26 | miksuh | stoned: heh |
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| 15:45.43 | miksuh | 43bit would be a bit weird :) |
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| 15:46.17 | stoned | !dbugs #511493 |
| 15:46.21 | dpkg | DONE:#511493:G[php5] CVE-2008-5557: buffer overflow (patch security); Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:33:01 UTC [] |
| 15:46.25 | stoned | miksuh, yea it would be |
| 15:46.31 | themill | dpkg, qotd228 is <reply> <stoned> I dunno why I did what I did yesterday <stoned> I deleted my debian partitios on my desktop, and installed NTFS/xp/visual studio and now I'm going... FUCK. Shouldnt've done that |
| 15:46.31 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 15:46.40 | themill | :P |
| 15:46.43 | stoned | themill, hehe |
| 15:46.45 | stoned | shaddup! |
| 15:47.02 | JyZyXEL | stew the bigmem kernel uses two registers for the memory addresses instead of one? |
| 15:47.11 | stoned | man I have lik 4gb ram and so much is taken and visual studio inside the vmware was horribly slow |
| 15:47.33 | stoned | so I had to build a few solutions last night, had to isntall windows, didn't realize I'd accidentally wiped the wrong disk |
| 15:47.43 | stoned | fuckin windows... |
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| 15:48.12 | stoned | now I have to make room for debian somehow |
| 15:48.27 | jelly | JyZyXEL: that is an ia32 memory architecture issue. Google "PAE". |
| 15:48.27 | jamon | lemme guess stoned, it went with ntfs as well? |
| 15:48.59 | lostson | stoned: buy some hot swap bays |
| 15:49.05 | enouf | JyZyXEL: in simple terms (IIUC), there's another/additional memory mapping that needs to be done |
| 15:49.20 | stoned | I'm just so majorly ticked off man :( |
| 15:49.33 | stoned | I'm gonna get away from computers for a while |
| 15:49.34 | H2S04 | enouf, you are so silly. |
| 15:49.39 | stoned | fucking pieces of shit machiens, fuck compturs |
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| 15:49.50 | stew | JyZyXEL: i don't know the exact mechanism |
| 15:50.12 | enouf | H2S04: why do you say that? |
| 15:50.19 | jelly | H2S04: don't be so acidic. |
| 15:50.42 | H2S04 | enouf, sill-e |
| 15:51.02 | JyZyXEL | awesome |
| 15:51.25 | linux_stu | can aptitude itself remove former dependencies that are now unused packages, or does deborphan/other utility have to be used? |
| 15:52.09 | H2S04 | dpkg, xrandr |
| 15:52.09 | dpkg | well, xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
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| 15:52.23 | jelly | linux_stu: if you only use aptitude, it tracks automatically installed packages and removes them, yes |
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| 15:53.19 | newsense | jelly, hm didnt know that, ive been using debfoster for years but didnt know with aptitude being the preffered frontend that it was no longer needed |
| 15:53.20 | jelly | linux_stu: however, if you used apt, dselect or dpkg to install packages, aptitude won't know which ones are merely installed as dependencies, and won't remote them |
| 15:53.29 | linux_stu | i always use aptitude |
| 15:53.35 | linux_stu | i am seeing if it is doing what i expect |
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| 15:54.06 | jelly | newsense: I guess a way to cleanly switch is to do a debfoster run, then use aptitude exclusively from that point on |
| 15:54.22 | linux_stu | hmm |
| 15:54.38 | newsense | jelly, good idea :) |
| 15:55.20 | linux_stu | well i installed icedtea-gcjwebplugin and it installed a bunch of dependencies. i then removed it with 'aptiutude remove <package>', now when i go to install it again, no dependencies need to be installed. |
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| 15:55.26 | enouf | jelly: is that all true for even Lenny's apt version |
| 15:55.29 | enouf | ? |
| 15:55.47 | jelly | enouf: no. I'm assuming stable. |
| 15:55.47 | Stratman4300 | Whats the command to restart the KDE panel??? |
| 15:56.00 | linux_stu | ^^ this is not what i expect. this is all with a aptitude |
| 15:56.11 | enouf | jelly: aye - thought you might be |
| 15:56.37 | enouf | Stratman4300: it's something like 'kcmserver kicker ...' one moment |
| 15:56.38 | jelly | linux_stu: how did you install it in the first place? |
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| 15:56.58 | linux_stu | jelly, 'sudo aptitude install icedtea-gcjwebplugin' |
| 15:57.15 | enouf | Stratman4300: Restart the Kicker after updating menus etc.--> dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 15:57.27 | enouf | http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxKDE.html |
| 15:57.28 | linux_stu | oh wait. i did 'sudo aptitude purge icedtea-gcjwebplugin', not 'remove' |
| 15:57.31 | Stratman4300 | enouf: cool.... Thanks :) |
| 15:57.33 | linux_stu | would that make a difference? |
| 15:58.03 | jelly | linux_stu: afaik no |
| 15:58.27 | enouf | linux_stu: are you using Etch, or lenny? or a mix? |
| 15:58.34 | linux_stu | all lenny |
| 15:58.46 | linux_stu | (afaik) |
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| 15:59.22 | enouf | linux_stu: you sure the dependencies didn't need to be downloaded ? and not merely reinstalled? |
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| 16:00.07 | enouf | linux_stu: does trying the entire run with the -s switch show you more info about what's going on? |
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| 16:01.00 | linux_stu | my aptitude log shows 21 packages as being installed as dependencies for icedtea |
| 16:01.15 | linux_stu | i'm pastebinning it |
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| 16:01.39 | enouf | it's possible many of those are also dependencies of other pkgs you've since installed? |
| 16:01.48 | jimpy | this is starting to drive me insane |
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| 16:02.08 | BoomSie | Hi there guys, I have an awkward problem and googled my ass of over this. Somewhere between the last 3 updates on my Debian server, my cups finds it funny to black out after printing the first page perfectly. On the second (loading) my printer gives the error about 'wrong paper size'. Already tried different documents, different clients (WinXP, Vista & Ubuntu) but the problem remains. So it has to be the cups server. Does someone know about |
| 16:02.08 | BoomSie | <BoomSie> this problem or where to look? The /var/log/cups/error_log doesn't tell me anything abnormal |
| 16:02.26 | linux_stu | enouf, i didn't install any packages in between |
| 16:02.35 | enouf | ok |
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| 16:02.49 | stoned | does lenny have an rc2 yet? |
| 16:02.52 | stoned | d-i |
| 16:02.54 | linux_stu | here is the relevant portion of my aptitude log http://pastebin.ca/1313591 |
| 16:03.07 | enouf | stoned: beta 2, yes |
| 16:03.09 | stoned | is there going to be one? |
| 16:03.11 | stoned | not a beta2 |
| 16:03.20 | stoned | or is that same thing |
| 16:03.47 | enouf | !lenny netinstall |
| 16:03.47 | dpkg | To install testing, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:04.16 | stoned | apparantly I can't do a netinstall easily |
| 16:04.22 | stoned | Due to a missing pata-modules package on i386 and amd64 media, peripherals driven by Marvell disk controllers are not detected. As a workaround, you can manually download the udeb package for i386 or amd64, put it on a removable medium and manually install it with 'udpkg -i' from the second console. Then run 'depmod -a ; modprobe pata_marvell'. |
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| 16:04.31 | stoned | has JMB363 |
| 16:04.39 | enouf | debootstrap ; or http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 16:04.47 | stoned | are you serious? man |
| 16:05.02 | stoned | you really think I need help with installing debian? |
| 16:05.04 | enouf | jmb363? jmicron? |
| 16:05.08 | stoned | enouf, yea |
| 16:05.09 | stoned | :) |
| 16:05.15 | enouf | ethernet, or disk controller? |
| 16:05.21 | stoned | pata controller |
| 16:05.30 | enouf | and? |
| 16:05.37 | stoned | so cdrom inst is out, unless I do the workaround mentioned above |
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| 16:05.42 | stoned | I think I'll just go with netboot |
| 16:05.59 | stoned | I'm looking for that bug I'm not sure if its fixed already or not |
| 16:06.31 | Vorbote | try with a sid d-i image. |
| 16:06.34 | stoned | but when you tried to previously install sid directly from the lenny installer, it wouldn't download the kernel and/or some kernel related bug, as kernel not found, grub failing |
| 16:06.40 | stoned | there is no sid d-i image |
| 16:06.49 | Vorbote | Oh, yes there are. |
| 16:06.50 | stoned | there is only lenny daily |
| 16:06.59 | enouf | stoned: oh, right .. wait -- erm, see BTS about pata_marvell and ahci modules |
| 16:07.00 | stoned | if its not official, it doesn't exist. |
| 16:07.17 | linux_stu | this is so frustrating... |
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| 16:07.37 | Vorbote | You haven't looked in the right place. Try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ and read carefully... |
| 16:07.38 | enouf | it's fixed - not sure about the installer though .. there was/is a similar issue with the sata_sil (?) one as well, IIRC |
| 16:07.42 | stoned | well I don't see that bug in the errata anywhere lately, it used to be |
| 16:08.17 | stoned | ukatan, what am I reading? |
| 16:08.28 | stoned | Vorbote, what? |
| 16:08.59 | Creepers | hey |
| 16:09.01 | enouf | stoned: stoned http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507432 |
| 16:09.14 | stoned | ah, archived |
| 16:09.23 | Creepers | erm, sorry for the werid question, but what date is it today in usa? :s |
| 16:09.47 | stoned | Creepers, google 'usa current date time' |
| 16:09.57 | Creepers | k |
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| 16:10.15 | Vorbote | stoned: I'll chew it for you: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/ |
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| 16:10.34 | Vorbote | And that's official. |
| 16:10.56 | Creepers | the first hit says 19th the second says 20th :s |
| 16:11.04 | maligor | cool, didn't know they made sid images |
| 16:11.08 | craigevil | Daily build #2 for i386, using installer build from sid, These images will install the testing version of Debian, currently Lenny. |
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| 16:11.16 | stoned | this is highly recent |
| 16:11.19 | maligor | oh.. lenny |
| 16:11.20 | stoned | and I wouldn't trust those images |
| 16:11.23 | stoned | especially with sid |
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| 16:11.45 | enouf | !8ball is stoned trustworthy? |
| 16:11.45 | dpkg | I'm sure of it. |
| 16:11.48 | stoned | and these are not official either |
| 16:12.08 | stoned | and if it isn't official, it doesn't exist! |
| 16:12.29 | Vorbote | Those are development imaged of the debian-installer. They install testing by default (as they should). You should not use them unless your hardware is not supported by the stable or testing installer. |
| 16:12.34 | maligor | Get your UN Sanctioned Debian Images HERE |
| 16:12.48 | Vorbote | Suit yourself. Go install Gentoo then. :-) |
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| 16:13.22 | stoned | I have alreay installed gentoo and I enjoy it veyr much |
| 16:13.38 | stoned | I'm just not sure what a file manager has anything to do with debian installer images... |
| 16:13.44 | maligor | I use it to spread butter on my toast |
| 16:14.08 | newsense | mmmm toast |
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| 16:14.32 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:18:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:15.13 | stoned | eh.. I' not installing debian on my desktop |
| 16:15.14 | stoned | fuck it |
| 16:15.29 | stoned | Im gonna enjoy some Oblivion for a while before I go back to linux fulltime |
| 16:16.05 | stoned | well I dunno, I can't stand windows though, but I need visual studio and .NET/C# for stuff, but I like debian... |
| 16:16.19 | stoned | oh man. fuck. |
| 16:16.28 | jamon | don't worry stoned, just when you think you're out, debian will pull you back in :p |
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| 16:16.50 | maligor | stoned, install it in virtualbox |
| 16:16.58 | stoned | man I have too many machiens and too many systems and just too much garbage in my house |
| 16:17.10 | stoned | 7 computers |
| 16:17.17 | stoned | 1 windows desktop :) |
| 16:17.24 | abrotman | wow, that's fantastic .. |
| 16:17.24 | stoned | maligor, debian? or xp? |
| 16:17.30 | maligor | windows ofcourse |
| 16:17.37 | stoned | its too slow |
| 16:17.43 | stoned | whcihi s I why i did the xp install here last night |
| 16:17.46 | maligor | works fine here |
| 16:17.57 | stoned | I only need windows for visual studio |
| 16:17.58 | abrotman | stoned: OT? |
| 16:17.59 | stoned | mono is BS |
| 16:18.05 | stoned | oh is it? |
| 16:18.06 | stoned | damnit |
| 16:18.16 | stoned | abrotman, you suck :) |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | and your enter key is stuck in the stupid position again |
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| 16:18.49 | maligor | Java has some nice debian packages, use it instead |
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| 16:19.39 | stoned | I wish mono2 was maturer than it is, I wouldn't need this VS.NET... or if there existed a quality IDE |
| 16:20.00 | stoned | what do you have, monodevelop and thats pretty much it, its not really very good or very well implemented |
| 16:20.42 | maligor | meh, java has similiar properties, but is just better |
| 16:20.51 | stoned | Eclipse is garbage I'd rather use emacs but then again emacs isn't a fucking IDE... man I'm seriously ticked off at computers, everything about everything in computers suck |
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| 16:21.03 | stoned | maligor, I'm not discovoering that, I don't mind netbeans though |
| 16:21.14 | stoned | maligor, er.. I AM -not |
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| 16:22.39 | stoned | maligor, what if I installed debian in a vmware? |
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| 16:23.26 | jackweb | Hello. What is a name of a program which may limit network speed to a program? <program> -parameter speed wget http://... - a file will be downloaded with speed x kb/s |
| 16:23.41 | stoned | jackweb, wondershaper? |
| 16:23.55 | stoned | not exactly like that but it can be used to limit traffic |
| 16:24.08 | petemc | trickle |
| 16:24.37 | jackweb | so.. |
| 16:24.56 | Maior | jackweb: not answering your question, but wrt your example, wget happens to have --limit-rate |
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| 16:26.10 | jackweb | it's trickle |
| 16:26.20 | jackweb | Maior: wget is only an example |
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| 16:28.40 | stoned | what happens if you ext3 FS inode size is not 128 bytes |
| 16:28.41 | amitz | hi, I want to setup networking for my virtual machine. The kvm automatically created an interface virbr0 with address 192.168.122.1. The built in dhcp server is set, where forwarding is as "NAT to any physical device". First question, why my virtualized windows can't get an IP address? |
| 16:28.43 | jackweb | thank you very much |
| 16:28.49 | amitz | all packages from debian lenny |
| 16:28.52 | stoned | what if it spontaneously changed to double that, like 256 |
| 16:28.56 | stoned | what could happen? |
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| 16:29.22 | amitz | I had turned off ipmasq but no effect. |
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| 16:30.19 | amitz | I had set my dhcp server to not send anything on virbr0 interface. |
| 16:33.07 | enouf | stoned: did you know that 256 is now the default in (atleast) sid's version of e2fsprogs? |
| 16:33.43 | amitz | from ifconfig of host, the virbr0 seems to be able to receive packet from windows, but it doesn't send anything |
| 16:34.02 | enouf | stoned: it was done, iinm, for better compatibility with ext4 - the changelog says how/when/why |
| 16:34.22 | stoned | ahh |
| 16:34.30 | stoned | I was wondering what happened |
| 16:34.49 | stoned | I have a box here I haven't updated since middle of last year (lenny box) I just converted to sid |
| 16:35.02 | amitz | how do I tell the difference whether virbr0: doesn't send anything or send something but somehow is filtered by something. Is the "TX packets" means any of those 2? |
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| 16:35.17 | stoned | and I have no idea what happened, I did a reboot and my disk can't be mounted because the inode size has abruptly changed to 256 instead of having 128 |
| 16:36.20 | stoned | hwo could this have happened |
| 16:36.51 | stoned | this seems impossible yet here it is, I'm looking at it. What can suddenly make that change on my FS ? |
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| 16:37.05 | pjota | hello there! |
| 16:37.10 | stoned | hi |
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| 16:38.04 | pjota | Don't know why, but I lost my terminal font type from my system. There is a way to re-install or a package which contains it? |
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| 16:39.35 | stoned | what was the name of the font? |
| 16:39.46 | stoned | do you remember? |
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| 16:40.55 | pjota | stoned: Terminal |
| 16:41.17 | zash_ | terminal? font? xterm! |
| 16:41.36 | stoned | pjota, apt-cache search font|grep term |
| 16:41.36 | pjota | xterm! |
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| 16:41.59 | enouf | xlsfonts? |
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| 16:42.45 | stoned | uses xfonts-terminus |
| 16:42.51 | kevin_schoon | Anyone know where a good mirror for the debian-live CD is? |
| 16:43.15 | stoned | !live |
| 16:43.16 | dpkg | it has been said that live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
| 16:44.09 | kevin_schoon | Fantastic thank you |
| 16:44.10 | enouf | amitz: might want to try ##networking, but AFAIK, once a bridge is setup and used (brX), all traffic from the ifaces that were combined to form the bridge goes through the bridge, not the iface, per se (i might be wrong) |
| 16:44.35 | chfwiggum | hi all! |
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| 16:46.02 | chfwiggum | !elisa |
| 16:46.02 | dpkg | it has been said that elisa is expert, you not!! |
| 16:46.14 | chfwiggum | ooh |
| 16:46.25 | pjota | stoned: I think is a bug |
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| 16:47.55 | stoned | I am NOT a bug. |
| 16:48.10 | stoned | I'm a 6 foot tall regular normal human being |
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| 16:48.35 | stoned | awwww I lost my preseed file! :( |
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| 16:48.59 | pjota | stoned: Gonna explain myself: I used to use a font called Terminal on my gnome-term. Suddenly it dissapeared from the font list and all I can use is the Termial font wit size 7 (tiny) |
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| 16:49.22 | stoned | oh |
| 16:49.26 | stoned | thats a bitmap font |
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| 16:49.47 | _buffer | hi |
| 16:49.48 | stoned | pjota, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config last step I believe is if you wish to enable bitmap fonts |
| 16:49.52 | enouf | xfontsel? |
| 16:49.56 | stoned | enable them, and restart X |
| 16:50.03 | stoned | enouf, doesn't work on gtk2 apps like gnome-terminal |
| 16:50.03 | amitz | enouf: hmm, I guess I need to learn some more networking stuff. thanks. |
| 16:50.10 | pjota | stoned: gonna try it, thanks |
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| 16:50.41 | _buffer | i have a problem with backports: when i want to install xen-utils-3.2-1, apt-get says: xen-utils-3.2-1: Depends: xen-utils-common (> 3.2.0) but 3.0.3-0-2 is to be installed |
| 16:50.42 | enouf | amitz: i only saw your last post - i missed all the prior ones explaining further - and yet, i have no more info for you |
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| 16:51.57 | themill | dpkg: tell _buffer about bat |
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| 16:52.57 | amitz | enouf: well, basically I want to setup kvm using virtual machine manager (all packages are official debian lenny packages), and I want to make it able to connect to my host. At least, just let the virtual windows xp get an IP address as the first step. |
| 16:53.06 | _buffer | http://paste.debian.net/26467/ |
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| 16:54.41 | themill | _buffer: you need to tell apt to use the backports repository for resolving dependencies too: apt-get -t etch-backports install xen-utils-3.2-1 |
| 16:55.01 | _buffer | themill: crazy, this works! |
| 16:55.02 | enouf | amitz: good detailed info, however, i'm not experienced with all the kvm/virtual stuff yet - hrm .. isn't there some sort of 'virt' pkgname that supplies some utils/tools? |
| 16:55.07 | _buffer | themill: thanks! |
| 16:55.19 | _buffer | strange, i installed about 5 times xen this way |
| 16:55.25 | stoned | so anyone have an idea why my FS suddenly changed inode size |
| 16:55.30 | stoned | and is unmountable |
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| 16:55.53 | asg | PEBCAK? You did do some fucky crap last night after all |
| 16:56.02 | enouf | stoned: look at any newer mount options added from the newer e2fsprogs? |
| 16:56.15 | stoned | asg, not related, diff machine |
| 16:56.58 | stoned | enouf, ok but |
| 16:56.58 | stoned | ok |
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| 16:57.43 | amitz | enouf: there is, I'm using it right now. Anyway, somethings begin to make sense in debian wiki of QEMU. thanks for the effort to help. |
| 16:57.54 | enouf | amitz: guess i was thinking of the various virtio... pkgs, likely not related though |
| 16:58.18 | enouf | cool - amitz also search on debian-administration.org perhaps |
| 16:59.06 | amitz | enouf: hmm, debian-administration.org. I c i c. |
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| 16:59.20 | _buffer | themill: i allready installed xen-linux-system-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-686 without -t from etch-backports. was that bad? |
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| 17:00.11 | themill | _buffer: that's a backports.org package already so it should be ok. As long as the versioned dependencies are all correct, then it will either just work or fail at installation time in the way you just experienced. |
| 17:00.38 | _buffer | great, so if it do not fail, all dependecies are correct |
| 17:00.50 | _buffer | thanks :-) |
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| 17:01.26 | phogg | what's the correct way to get a working java netscape plugin installed? |
| 17:01.52 | abrotman | phogg: which version of debian? which architecture? |
| 17:01.52 | elik | So I have this wifi card, rtl8187 that works great except when I try to dl torrents... I try to use the ndiswrapper to see if it helps, but I can't get it to work.. following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=493958, I see that ndiswrapper -i driver; ndiswrapper -m; modprobe ndiswrapper should be enough.. but I can't see my wlan0 after that |
| 17:02.01 | phogg | abrotman: i386, etch+lenny |
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| 17:02.22 | abrotman | phogg: apt-cache search java plugin |
| 17:02.31 | phogg | abrotman: did that... many results |
| 17:02.37 | abrotman | so install one |
| 17:02.43 | abrotman | sun-java6-plugin seems decent enough |
| 17:03.00 | phogg | abrotman: okay, thanks |
| 17:03.12 | enouf | elik: a) don't follow ubuntu tuts for Debian (in general) and b) is your ISP blocking those ports? |
| 17:03.14 | pobega | phogg: Yes, sun-java6-plugin works fine on i386. on 64-bit, I've had troubles though. |
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| 17:03.25 | phogg | I have not installed java since it went gpl, so I figured things would be better. |
| 17:03.41 | elik | enouf, well, I try.. but didn't find the debian way... and no, no ISP issues, other computers are fine |
| 17:03.44 | pobega | phogg: Java went GPL? |
| 17:04.10 | stew | pobega: sun-java6-plugin isn't the gpl version, icedtea-gcjwebplugin is |
| 17:04.18 | phogg | pobega: living in a cave? |
| 17:04.29 | pobega | phogg: No, I just don't follow Sun really. |
| 17:04.29 | phogg | stew: wouldn't that be better to use, then? |
| 17:04.30 | elik | enouf, I worked it out with abrotman yesterday, even windows dowload torrent ok on this computer... so it really leaves very few options but the driver |
| 17:04.38 | enouf | elik: what exactly happens when you try to d/l torrents? what if any errors? |
| 17:04.42 | abrotman | elik: stop being a pain in the ass |
| 17:04.42 | pobega | stew: Hmm.. Any idea if that would work with Cisco Clean Access? |
| 17:04.50 | stew | and icedtea-gcjwebplugin is available for amd64, whereas sun-java6-plugin is not yet, although there is a non-free amd64 plugin now, aiui |
| 17:04.50 | phogg | pobega: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/index.jsp |
| 17:05.03 | elik | abrotman, eeh.. how am I? |
| 17:05.03 | stew | pobega: never heard of it |
| 17:05.09 | enouf | elik: it's possible it's an iptables/firewall issue, no? |
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| 17:05.20 | pobega | stew: Eh, it's some stupid thing they use at my school to allow access to their wifi. |
| 17:05.38 | abrotman | pobega: like a web login thing? |
| 17:05.48 | enouf | elik: maybe your torrenting app needs configuring |
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| 17:05.57 | elik | enouf, no no, dowloads fine for 5-10 minutes, then connection just dies, no ping or anything, modprobe -r modprobe to fix |
| 17:06.01 | pobega | abrotman: The web login is HTML, what Cisco does is check your OS and scan your system for viruses and anti-virus/spyware protection programs |
| 17:06.10 | elik | enouf, switched from azureus to rtorrent |
| 17:06.12 | abrotman | pobega: you should be cleared! :) |
| 17:06.16 | pobega | I guess it's so that Windows users don't spoof their UA |
| 17:06.33 | pobega | If they spoofed a Linux UA then got on the network they could theoretically spread a virus |
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| 17:07.02 | elik | abrotman, can I at least understand? |
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| 17:07.29 | phogg | going with the icedtea one, thanks guys |
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| 17:08.43 | pobega | Trying out icedtea...Hopefully it works, I'd like to dump sun-java6-plugin |
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| 17:09.24 | Elmaron | alsaplayer fails and prints out: ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' |
| 17:09.39 | Elmaron | the sound is generally failing, but my sound card is recognized by alsa and also the alsamixer works |
| 17:09.42 | Elmaron | what can I do? |
| 17:10.11 | cahoot | Elmaron: same problem as root? |
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| 17:11.11 | cahoot | Elmaron: if not - it might be <user> isn't member of audio group |
| 17:11.31 | phogg | Every time I install a font package it regenerates the fonts cache. This really slows things down. |
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| 17:12.44 | Elmaron | cahoot: ok that seems to be the issue :) how can I add the user to the audio group? |
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| 17:13.21 | enouf | elik: sounds really odd - have you checked BTS? and .. (i entirely forget which vendor/chips this issue affects) google for realtek and some 'checksum offloading' issues, if it's the case, disable using ethtool |
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| 17:13.37 | abrotman | elik: do not msg me .. there's no need |
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| 17:14.04 | elik | abrotman, you don't answer and I don't feel like discussing a personnal issue in a public channel |
| 17:14.13 | abrotman | there's no discussion to be had :) |
| 17:14.15 | elik | s/personnal/personal |
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| 17:14.27 | enouf | elik: when you torrent, do you see tx/rx errors? ifconfig, and other tools can show you as well |
| 17:14.28 | elik | abrotman, well, quit being an asshole then |
| 17:14.38 | elik | enouf, didn't check that |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | kids ... |
| 17:14.51 | rdz | how can i know, which speed a certain IDE interface supports? |
| 17:14.59 | asg | rdz: hdparm |
| 17:15.08 | rdz | asg, many thanks again ;-) |
| 17:15.12 | enouf | rdz: the chipset usually determines that |
| 17:15.17 | elik | abrotman, yeah, I'm 24.. I'll grow up someday... I don't want to discuss, just understand... |
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| 17:15.59 | Elmaron | how can I find out the exact names of the available group? |
| 17:16.02 | elik | enouf, I didn't find a posting on launchpad for a bug, other ppl having the same issue as me |
| 17:16.18 | Elmaron | "usermod -a sound bernd" just gives me "usermod: no changes" |
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| 17:16.27 | Cybo-work | stupied Q time: making a backup of / to move / to another partition: which dirs is it ok to skip, I know /proc /sys, anyothers? |
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| 17:16.35 | enouf | elik: are you using a *buntu? if so, i can't help you .. not here anyway |
| 17:16.59 | chfwiggum | all i get is a black screen when i start elisa v0.5.9. any hints where to start? tia |
| 17:17.00 | asg | Elmaron: /etc/group (or getent group) |
| 17:17.03 | elik | enouf, no, I'M NOT.. just reading about ndiswrapper cause that's the only turotial I found |
| 17:17.10 | enouf | elik: and actually, i know nothing (almost) about ubuntu anyway |
| 17:17.10 | elik | enouf, 2 debian lenny systems here |
| 17:17.10 | stew | Elmaron: "getent group" to get a list of groups. I think you probably want the "audio" group instead of the "sound" group |
| 17:17.18 | enouf | ok |
| 17:17.20 | Cybo-work | this is my command: tar -cvpf backup.tg --exclude=/backup --exlude=/proc --exclude=/sys / Did I mis anything? |
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| 17:17.24 | WaY | hello |
| 17:17.28 | elik | enouf, I would know better than asking about ubuntu on debian channel |
| 17:17.33 | WaY | sometimes when I write on my xchat, amsn, etc text lines doesn't actualize properly and continues appearing twice last line written. What should I do? |
| 17:17.35 | elik | enouf, there are more ppl on #ubuntu anyway |
| 17:17.49 | enouf | elik: find out if tx/rx errors and such |
| 17:17.54 | elik | yup |
| 17:18.01 | valdyn | Cybo-work: probably -a, probably -H |
| 17:18.21 | Cybo-work | valdyn, looking at man for those now. ty |
| 17:18.39 | enouf | Cybo-work: might want the --one-filesystem option |
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| 17:19.10 | Cybo-work | enouf, if I understand correctly, that will keep it from moving off of one disk? I only have one disk |
| 17:19.12 | Elmaron | stew: they also seem to be in /etc/groups :) just looked around |
| 17:19.23 | Elmaron | still "usermod -a audio bernd" gives me "usermod: no changes" |
| 17:19.26 | Elmaron | why? :( |
| 17:19.57 | stew | Elmaron: yeah, they are usually kept in /etc/groups. 'getent groups' is more generic and would know how to fetch them if they were alternatively/additionally stored in, for instance, ldap or mysql |
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| 17:20.07 | Cybo-work | on the -h switch, when dump the tar back, will it make the symlink? |
| 17:20.13 | stew | Elmaron: does "gropus bernd" list audio? |
| 17:20.18 | enouf | Cybo-work: if you plan on tarring up / on the same disk that your / is, i'd look at that option - note it'll also exclude external /mnt/points and partitions, ie: one filesystem |
| 17:20.42 | Elmaron | gropus gives me no such command |
| 17:20.44 | enouf | gropes ___ .. oh nm :-P |
| 17:20.47 | Elmaron | ah k |
| 17:20.49 | Cybo-work | enouf, thanks |
| 17:20.49 | xlotlu | Elmaron: usermod -a -G audio bernd |
| 17:21.01 | xlotlu | Elmaron: --help and man are your friends |
| 17:21.05 | Elmaron | ahhh |
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| 17:21.25 | Elmaron | thanks xlotlu - I just misunderstood the usage of -a :x |
| 17:21.28 | Cybo-work | forgot to make a seperate /home partition and am fixing that issue. |
| 17:21.44 | Elmaron | hm |
| 17:21.48 | shl | my system hangs on booting kernel 2.6.18. It works fine on kernel 2.6.24. Next step is installing Xen, which seems to be only for kernel 2.6.18. it boots, but there is no network card. can anyone suggest what I should do? |
| 17:21.49 | stew | Elmaron: oops, i meant "groups" not "gorups" |
| 17:21.50 | Elmaron | do I need to relogin so it works? |
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| 17:22.01 | cahoot | you do |
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| 17:25.05 | enouf | !be a typing typos correctly barbie |
| 17:25.06 | dpkg | Aww, typing typos correctly is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 17:25.32 | enouf | heh |
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| 17:29.24 | fivemack | How do I go about troubleshooting failure to authenticate via NIS? |
| 17:29.39 | vsayikiran1 | how to download a file over https and using cookie by wget command |
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| 17:31.05 | phogg | vsayikiran1: believe it or not that is covered in the man page |
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| 17:33.32 | vsayikiran1 | phogg: yes it is covered but still have some doubts |
| 17:33.43 | pierre_le | hi. somebody know how to force a /dev/loop fake disk geometry? |
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| 17:34.17 | vsayikiran1 | phogg: manpage says that cookie file should in certain format, whereas cookie file of iceweasel is in sqllite format |
| 17:34.40 | jelly | pierre_le: it has no geometry; what are you trying to do? |
| 17:34.43 | enouf | pierre_le: why? |
| 17:34.44 | IamSOG | was watching Obama, and wonder what happen if he need to go to the toliet in the middle of the Inauguratoin Ceremony? or maybe he doesn't eat for 48 hours before the operation like the hospital ;o |
| 17:34.45 | pierre_le | i mounted a raw dd img as loop0 , reports all good info but false/corrupted hard disk geometry |
| 17:34.47 | phogg | vsayikiran1: if true then complain to mozilla for changing something that's not broken |
| 17:35.02 | pobega | IamSOG: Do like anyone else, hold it in :] |
| 17:35.09 | pobega | Or perhaps he was wearing a diaper... |
| 17:35.15 | phogg | IamSOG: like any road trip you go before you leave. He left his house at ~9:30AM, so he's fine. |
| 17:35.17 | IamSOG | Diaper :O |
| 17:35.23 | elik | enouf, I think rtl8187 fealt threatened by the installation of ndiswrapper.... cause it hasn't failed so far |
| 17:35.28 | IamSOG | um... |
| 17:35.29 | enouf | pierre_le: so the original dd image is bad, how do you know what it should be? |
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| 17:35.35 | vsayikiran1 | phogg: anyway it has started downloading |
| 17:35.57 | enouf | elik: that's too funny .. |
| 17:35.58 | pobega | elik: Have you tried the Linux drivers before ndiswrappers? |
| 17:36.06 | themill | phogg: flat file handling of many things was broken in mozilla. And cookies was never supposed to be a public file... it's the fault of other tools for messing with things that aren't theirs to mess with. |
| 17:36.08 | elik | pobega, I did |
| 17:36.16 | pobega | elik: (i've been missing for a bit so sorry if I missed it) |
| 17:36.32 | vsayikiran1 | phogg: but i will check if i am able to download using cookie file of epiphany browser |
| 17:36.42 | pierre_le | enouf, runned fdisk on both original disk and loop |
| 17:36.55 | elik | pobega, the driver works fine, but connection drops after a while with torrents, the "fix" is modprobe -r rtl8187; modprobe rtl8187 |
| 17:37.10 | pierre_le | all others datas are ok |
| 17:37.10 | phogg | themill: flat files > *, for many reasons including this. The cookie file format has been a constant for so long it is no wonder people have come to expect it |
| 17:37.11 | pobega | elik: It *shouldn't* do that -- It's not reporting any error? |
| 17:37.34 | elik | pobega, didn't see anything in any log files |
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| 17:37.48 | pobega | elik: Have you looked at dmesg? |
| 17:38.00 | elik | enouf, monitoring has this way of getting things to work :) |
| 17:38.04 | enouf | pierre_le: i think you misunderstand, or are not being clear - is the raw dd image mounted on a loop device or not? |
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| 17:38.13 | pierre_le | yes |
| 17:38.20 | themill | phogg: performance of flat files is much slower. And it's still and internal file that has only ever been used by netscape and derivs. (not by MSIE, konqueror etc) |
| 17:38.21 | elik | pobega, dmesg, kern.log and a few other friends.. lsmod before and after |
| 17:38.46 | enouf | pierre_le: so, what command spits out your hdd geometry error? |
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| 17:39.24 | pierre_le | but loop device does not returns same goemetry, or unreadable geometry. i'm doing AoE stuff, want the img to behave as a real hard drive |
| 17:39.43 | phogg | themill: it may have been developed by netscape for internal browser use, but to say it's only been used internally is not true as we see here. |
| 17:40.13 | enouf | pierre_le: to mount the partitions within the image, you need to tell it offsets to use, and mount each partition on it's own /dev/loopX .. and maybe call /MNT/loopXp1 (for partition one) |
| 17:40.17 | enouf | GAH |
| 17:40.19 | phogg | I didn't like the change from the old bookmark file format, either |
| 17:40.20 | pierre_le | enouf, sfdisk /dev/loop0 : Disk /dev/loop0: cannot get geometry |
| 17:40.28 | phogg | sure it had issues, but it made a lot of sense |
| 17:40.32 | pobega | Weird. I can't compile my kernel anymore, I keep getting /bin/sh: scripts/basic/fixdep: Permission denied |
| 17:40.33 | enouf | stuck shift key |
| 17:40.43 | pobega | (that is when I try to do make menuconfig) |
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| 17:40.47 | themill | phogg: not their problem though... same as kernel ABIs and APIs. I don't know of the work around for this situation though... |
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| 17:41.15 | phogg | themill: probably the answer is to patch wget |
| 17:41.32 | pobega | Nevermind...just changed the fstab and it worked, sorry for the false alarm. |
| 17:41.37 | phogg | sicne mozilla isn't going back |
| 17:41.56 | themill | phogg: to use the sqlite db? unlikely. That would be an unwelcome dependency. More likely to have a cookie exporter plugin (or utility) |
| 17:42.35 | phogg | themill: true, a command line tool which converts from sqlite->cookie file would be best |
| 17:42.40 | pierre_le | enouf, i do not need to mount individual partition, but the whole disk to publish it on network with vblade. |
| 17:43.27 | themill | phogg: wget was never designed to actually use mozilla's cookies file, just a file in the same format (e.g. it didn't wander off and automatically find the file for you, which it could have done most of the time) |
| 17:43.28 | phogg | first things first I need a simple sqlite client for great figuring out the cookie format |
| 17:43.44 | themill | phogg: sqlitebrowser |
| 17:43.51 | phogg | themill: always easier not to write that kind of "wander off and find" code anyway |
| 17:43.54 | phogg | themill: ah, cheers |
| 17:44.09 | \amethyst | pobega: strange... when I use sfdisk on a loop device, I get that warning "Disk /dev/loop0: cannot get geometry" but then it tries again and finds one "Disk /dev/loop0: 3 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track" |
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| 17:44.46 | \amethyst | pobega: this is sid (util-linux 2.13.1.1-1) |
| 17:45.34 | themill | phogg: giyf: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8154 |
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| 17:45.55 | enouf | pierre_le: it almost seems like you missed the 1st 63 sectors when using dd to create the image - i'd be curious to see your losetup and mount commands as well |
| 17:46.16 | phogg | themill: heh, figures someone beat me to it |
| 17:46.22 | themill | phogg: also http://blog.schlunzen.org/2008/06/19/firefox-3-und-cookiestxt/ |
| 17:46.27 | enouf | \amethyst: you mean pierre_le ? not pobega ? |
| 17:47.05 | \amethyst | oop, yes |
| 17:47.05 | \amethyst | pierre_le: strange... when I use sfdisk on a loop device, I get that warning "Disk /dev/loop0: cannot get geometry" but then it tries again and finds one "Disk /dev/loop0: 3 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track" |
| 17:47.05 | enouf | too many p nicks here at once :-P |
| 17:47.20 | themill | enouf: I've said it before... we should have UUIDs here not nicks. |
| 17:47.21 | pierre_le | \amethyst, i have the same here |
| 17:47.34 | \amethyst | pierre_le: does it work then? |
| 17:47.38 | enouf | calls out themill 's number ! |
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| 17:47.50 | themill | 24601, last time I looked. |
| 17:47.53 | elik | enouf, oh, it just shut down! no error, no dropped, no overruns |
| 17:48.01 | shams1 | what is default debian mail server? |
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| 17:48.01 | elik | enouf, no entry in dmesg |
| 17:48.02 | phogg | themill: sure, that wouldn't be confusing at all |
| 17:48.12 | pierre_le | no, network mounted hard disk works, but loop device doesnt. |
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| 17:48.20 | enouf | shams1: MTA == exim4 |
| 17:48.38 | pierre_le | i'de like loop device to be a "real fake" hard drive |
| 17:48.52 | enouf | shams1: tasksel --task-packages mail-server for more info perhaps |
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| 17:49.19 | shams1 | enouf: exim or postfix? which is better? |
| 17:49.23 | shams1 | do you think |
| 17:49.33 | enouf | i don't do email :-P |
| 17:49.33 | phogg | shams1: depends on what you're using it for |
| 17:49.41 | \amethyst | pierre_le: saw this: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9906.2/0463.html |
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| 17:49.46 | elik | enouf, the network monitor still shows a good signal for my wireless network.. |
| 17:49.55 | themill | phogg: that python script works fine. |
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| 17:49.59 | \amethyst | pierre_le: it's ancient though |
| 17:49.59 | phogg | I would choose based on what you know first, then based on what you want to integrate it with and how easy it is with each |
| 17:50.02 | shams1 | phogg: ! what? for send and receiving email :) |
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| 17:50.13 | enouf | elik: g o buy a real NIC, not a 'real fake' one :-) |
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| 17:50.39 | phogg | shams1: if you just want a simple open smtp server with no complications then go with whatever you like, or have installed, or flip a coin |
| 17:50.41 | shams1 | phogg: i want to have a simple to use mail server with all features |
| 17:50.47 | elik | enouf, right, that was another option... on the other end, giving ndiswrapper a try might have helped putting the blame on the driver... |
| 17:50.52 | vonsp | where i can find 32-bit version of libopenal.so.0 for amd64 debian ? |
| 17:50.57 | elik | enouf, which is a bit why I asked about that in the first place... |
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| 17:51.26 | faffi_ | hey guys, i just attatched an external monitor to my laptop, its a 22"widescreen, xrandr tells me it can output 1680x1050 on it but when i try to use it to set the resolution it sets it to my laptops little screen, i tried configuring it in xorg and when i startx it just gives me a blank screen and the monitor goes into power saving mode, i cant even ctrl alt backspace back to term |
| 17:51.42 | pierre_le | \amethyst, ty, very interesting document |
| 17:51.45 | enouf | elik: have you toyed with the various monitor/promiscuous/managed modes for the AP? (i'm guessing this is all wireless, your NIC + AP + any Routers) |
| 17:51.51 | vonsp | is there any compatibility debs or should i somehow cross-compile it tricky from tarball ? |
| 17:51.53 | \amethyst | pierre_le: also this, which is newer: http://wiki.osdev.org/Loopback_Device |
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| 17:52.16 | \amethyst | pierre_le: looks like you can't mount the partitions directly, but you can have a whole disk image on loopback if you set up the geometry itself |
| 17:52.42 | \amethyst | pierre_le: presumably if you attach that as a network block device you can access the partitions that way |
| 17:53.10 | elik | enouf, the AP is a little dlink.. so I don't see any possibility for promiscuous on there... as for my card, I didn't mess with any mode whatsoever (my ipw2200 on my laptop had a run though) |
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| 17:53.24 | \amethyst | pierre_le: (and it's possible to mount the partitions locally, by setting up another loop device and pecifying the offset of the partition within the image) |
| 17:53.44 | pierre_le | \amethyst, thats what i want. the whole disk, whith the exact same params than the physical one. the partitions are access by the clients pc , i dont deal with them |
| 17:53.44 | enouf | \amethyst: sure you can, but you'd need to use offsets |
| 17:53.58 | \amethyst | enouf: yeah |
| 17:54.01 | shams1 | phogg: i must run a mail server for our dedicated server. i need webmail, antispam, antivirus, pop3, many domain with many accounts, that each domain owner can manage their accounts and ... what is your suggest? |
| 17:54.12 | enouf | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/9db4b46e4d23a3b5/178478081da39a0d? |
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| 17:56.11 | elik_ | enouf, sorry, router drop... I love wifi :) |
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| 18:03.46 | no_mind | is there a way to reinstall a package without removing the package? I accidently deleted some files of python install but I |
| 18:05.54 | Eulex | !reinstall |
| 18:05.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
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| 18:06.03 | Eulex | umh, that's not it |
| 18:06.12 | dmoerner | you want confmiss |
| 18:06.13 | stew | no_mind: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 18:06.14 | abrotman | no_mind: aptitude reinstall foo |
| 18:06.25 | dmoerner | !+tell no_mind -about confmiss |
| 18:06.26 | dpkg | told no_mind about confmiss. |
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| 18:06.36 | Eulex | no_mind, but use apt-get install --reinstall or aptitude reinstall. or /msg dpkg confmiss if the deleted files were config files. |
| 18:06.49 | Gigantic | what was the comand to see what is using the sound card? |
| 18:06.55 | no_mind | thanks guys |
| 18:07.01 | enouf | lsof and fuser |
| 18:07.14 | dmoerner | Gigantic: lsof /dev/snd/* normally works |
| 18:07.24 | Gigantic | ah yeah ty |
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| 18:09.07 | elik_ | enouf, turns out wireshark shows alot ot Retransmission when the card fail |
| 18:09.30 | Gigantic | well I have that a process use /dev/snd/controlC0 and other one use /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p isn't this second one bypassing the alsamixer? |
| 18:09.44 | enouf | elik_: sounds like your timing chain has failed :-P |
| 18:10.26 | elik_ | enouf, only departing packages too.. |
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| 18:10.45 | elik_ | enouf, lots of arp too |
| 18:11.04 | Gigantic | thing is that I am getting device busy... usually looks like when usng Wine.... |
| 18:11.09 | Gigantic | maybe a bug |
| 18:11.57 | elik_ | enouf, timing chain??? |
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| 18:12.42 | enouf | elik_: automobile reference, mentioned due to your re'Transmission' comment ;-) |
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| 18:13.01 | elik_ | enouf, oh, sorry :P |
| 18:13.42 | elik_ | enouf, timing belt would have gone through thoug |
| 18:13.44 | elik_ | h |
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| 18:15.34 | enouf | you grew up in the world of plastics .. us older guys had steel! |
| 18:15.51 | taito | hello. I have a server without X in a toshiba laptop. I need to use copy&paste but my laptop has only one button and i can't do anything with gpm. Is there a way to map middle button to a keyboard key? |
| 18:16.18 | Gigantic | eureka |
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| 18:18.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: we got another one with only one mouse button |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | doesn't remember the bot key |
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| 18:19.20 | Slown | hello |
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| 18:23.03 | nyaa | hi |
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| 18:23.49 | nyaa | any idea when 5.0 will release? |
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| 18:24.35 | stew | nyaa: probably a couple of weeks after the next version of the installer is releeased |
| 18:24.48 | stew | nyaa: but it depends on rc bugs being fixed as well: /msg dpkg rcbugs |
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| 18:25.58 | nyaa | stew: neat, thanks =) looking forward to it |
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| 18:30.28 | _40oxo_ | hi is there no /proc/config.gz in debian? |
| 18:31.00 | peppe | _40oxo_: no, look into /boot/config- |
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| 18:31.04 | pobega | _40oxo_: Only on 2.6.28 and above, so unless you compile your own kernel then no |
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| 18:37.36 | Maior | ended up needing to manually modprobe dm_crypt and cryptoloop for luks - where's the right place to auto-load these on boot? |
| 18:39.20 | Maior | finds /etc/modules, with judicious application of grep |
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| 18:42.15 | r3m | Hi 4.0r6 do not find my sata dvd-drive and ask for a floppy.. |
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| 19:00.43 | r3r3 | hello, i need some peoples to do a speed test on that file www.analog-data.ch/100mb.bin please report the speed and the location where you are please ;) |
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| 19:01.33 | cumulus007 | hey, a package on my system is marked to be installed, but I want to cancel that with dpkg |
| 19:01.39 | cumulus007 | how can I do that? |
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| 19:02.26 | stew | cumulus007: it was marked to be installed with aptitude or apt-get or dpkg --set-selections? or how? |
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| 19:03.01 | cumulus007 | stew, I don't know, dpkg and apt say there's a package marked to be installed, but that package doesn't exist anymore in the repositories |
| 19:03.10 | cumulus007 | so I want to uncheck it for installtion |
| 19:03.28 | cumulus007 | and because Synaptic doesn't start anymore because of that, I need to do it via apt or dpkg |
| 19:04.12 | stew | cumulus007: echo "packagename deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 19:07.46 | cumulus007 | stew, thanks |
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| 19:11.38 | cumulus007 | stew, it didn't work |
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| 19:12.50 | fortytwo | hi. i am installing lenny on a system, and i want to encrypt the whole system (except for /boot).. is there a way to change the default cipher debian uses when creating the crypto wrapper devices? |
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| 19:13.30 | stew | cumulus007: can you show us exactly what you mean? what are you seeing that makes you think the package is being marked for installation? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:14.00 | cumulus007 | I got a Dutch installation, will try to translate it |
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| 19:15.28 | cumulus007 | Pakket linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic moet opnieuw geïnstalleerd worden, maar er kan geen archief voor gevonden worden. |
| 19:15.46 | cumulus007 | Package linux-image-2.6.17-11-generic needs to be re-installed, but no package archive could be found |
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| 19:16.32 | Donfuria | halp! |
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| 19:16.36 | cumulus007 | That package is totally disappeared from the Ubuntu repository |
| 19:16.37 | stew | cumulus007: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 19:17.16 | the-dude | understands Dutch :) |
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| 19:19.55 | cumulus007 | the-dude, weet jij het antwoord ;-) |
| 19:19.56 | kdas | can someone help me out with my webca, ? |
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| 19:21.19 | the-dude | cumulus007: dunno ben niet zo in2 ubuntu ;) |
| 19:21.31 | cumulus007 | ke |
| 19:21.32 | the-dude | maybe upgraden oid |
| 19:21.37 | cumulus007 | werkt dus niet |
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| 19:21.44 | stew | cumulus007: the-dude: english only in here please |
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| 19:21.50 | cumulus007 | omdat spkg elke keer die error probeert te verhelpen |
| 19:21.56 | the-dude | ssst ;) |
| 19:22.00 | cumulus007 | I'm sorry ;) |
| 19:22.54 | stew | cumulus007: try #ubuntu-nl for help with ubuntu in Dutch |
| 19:23.14 | fortytwo | does lenny support aes-xts at all? |
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| 19:25.31 | Thundercloud | Good evening chaps. I was wondering if there was any particular reason why the eclipse packages are almost two years out of date. |
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| 19:27.32 | kdas | hoiw do i start a program over a ssh session and keep it open even if i quit ? |
| 19:27.39 | Thundercloud | kdas: Use screen |
| 19:27.47 | Thundercloud | I do this quite a bit |
| 19:28.05 | Thundercloud | ssh into the box, screen, set up what you need to do in that terminal |
| 19:28.13 | Thundercloud | Then press CTRL + Shift + S to detach from that screen. |
| 19:28.18 | jelly-home | Thundercloud: http://bugs.debian.org/432350 |
| 19:28.19 | Thundercloud | Then at a later point, screen -r reattaches I think |
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| 19:28.27 | stew | kdas: nohop is another option, but with nohup you won't be able to interact with the program. screen is generally a much better solution |
| 19:28.38 | Thundercloud | Oh that's what nohup is |
| 19:28.42 | Thundercloud | I use it at work |
| 19:28.52 | Thundercloud | I just thought it was some shit logging tool :P |
| 19:29.41 | Thundercloud | jelly-home: Ah okay, cool. Thanks. |
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| 19:31.40 | kdas | stew, ok i used nohup /etc/init.d/service start and then when i do a ps aux | grep service i don't see it running |
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| 19:32.18 | valdyn | kdas: which service? why nohup ? |
| 19:32.34 | Thundercloud | Precisely. He even said that screen was a better option. |
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| 19:32.58 | kdas | valdyn, motion |
| 19:33.00 | valdyn | its not a better option either for restarting a service |
| 19:33.14 | Thundercloud | kdas: Anyway, have you not checked nohup.out? That's got the stdout from whatever you ran. |
| 19:33.24 | kdas | valdyn, because i am trying to get the program to keep running after i log off of ssh |
| 19:33.45 | valdyn | kdas: you are trying to keep /etc/init.d/service start running? |
| 19:34.01 | kdas | valdyn, yes even after i terminate ssh session |
| 19:34.04 | valdyn | kdas: what are you thinkinking? that services dont detach themselves? |
| 19:34.18 | valdyn | kdas: every init.d script already does this by itself |
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| 19:43.47 | sladi | Hi! I tried to run xorg from experimental 7.4~4 and it seems to freeze. Mouse and keyboard are stuck and I have to do a reset. Anything I'm missing? |
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| 19:46.14 | eekee | sladi: possibly hal & dbus. both need to be started by init |
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| 19:47.48 | sladi | eekee: Thanks, I'll try that. :) |
| 19:48.00 | adrien-modulis | Hi Everyone |
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| 19:49.38 | adrien-modulis | does any of you knows a way to access a remote directory while having a local copy in case of a server crash ? (mirroring being realtime) |
| 19:49.53 | fortytwo | do the netinst and the "normal" cd images kernel modules differ in any way? i am missing two kernel modules at least on the netinst image for supporting aes-xts-none mode... |
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| 19:54.30 | ryuho-eeepc | you can have option arguments in crontab right? |
| 19:54.45 | stew | ryuho-eeepc: what exactly do you mean? |
| 19:55.22 | ryuho-eeepc | nvm got answer from other chan |
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| 19:55.43 | ryuho-eeepc | stew but i meant 0 0 * * * runThisCommand -option1 -option2 |
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| 19:56.15 | stew | ryuho-eeepc: yes, that is fine |
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| 19:59.43 | Heavy-D | If i've made my / partition 12GB, and made another mount point have the rest of the space.... Can I easily resize my / partition to include the rest of the space if I was to delete that other partition? |
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| 20:00.14 | eekee | Heavy-D: yeah it's fairly easy if you're careful |
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| 20:03.47 | amphi | Sweetandy: iwconfig, ifconfig, wpa_supplicant if you use wpa |
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| 20:09.54 | stew | zamba: the USERGROUPS setting in /etc/adduser.conf |
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| 20:11.01 | PeterFA | ? |
| 20:11.05 | mydrmeix | What package is X headers |
| 20:11.13 | dondelelcaro | mydrmeix: which X headers do you want? |
| 20:11.22 | mydrmeix | dondelelcaro: X.h |
| 20:11.33 | dondelelcaro | !+find X.h |
| 20:11.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:11.55 | dondelelcaro | (but I know that it's libX11proto-core-dev) |
| 20:11.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell mydrmeix -about search |
| 20:12.11 | zamba | stew: thanks |
| 20:12.11 | dondelelcaro | err, s/libX/x/ |
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| 20:15.26 | aoeu3 | can i install debian to use software raid1 from the beginning? |
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| 20:16.07 | stew | aoeu3: yes, the installer will setup raid for you, but in order to see the raid options, you need to create raid partitions |
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| 20:17.08 | aoeu3 | stew, i'm just wondering because i already have a debian install i'd like to raid1, but i have no /boot partition like the guide says. will it still work or do i have to reinstall? |
| 20:17.48 | stew | aoeu3: you can definately boot off raid1 with lilo, i don't know about grub, perhaps someone else will chime in and tell you |
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| 20:21.29 | aoeu3 | stew, i've got a via motherboard with bios raid. any way i can just use that in linux? |
| 20:21.41 | th1 | how can I create, a tap device for qemu to use (I want to bridge with eth0)? |
| 20:21.58 | th1 | when I start qemu, it says "could not initialize device tap" |
| 20:22.14 | stew | aoeu3: i doubt your via motherboard has real raid, but it might have 'fakeraid', in which case, we'd recommend using the linux software raid |
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| 20:22.35 | tsairox | hi all, trying to install debian 4.0, but resolution is so big, I can't see the buttons. How can I correct this? The rez is at like 640x800 |
| 20:22.54 | stew | aoeu3: unless you paid a whole lot for your motherboard, it doesn't really have a raid controller, it came with windows drivers that do software raid instead |
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| 20:23.49 | Heavy-D | tsairox: This is a shot in the dark but can you use CTRL-ALT- + to increase the resolution of X? |
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| 20:24.27 | dmoerner | tsairox: just don't use installgui |
| 20:25.34 | tsairox | dmoerner: but even after install i can't get xorg.conf past 640x800. this is my third go at it. |
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| 20:25.55 | roler | the command update-grub keeps updating my menu.lst for a /dev/hda hard drive when my system is /dev/sda. Each time this command is ran, I get a kernel panic on bootup. |
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| 20:26.21 | tsairox | Heavy-D: that doesn't work |
| 20:27.39 | aoeu3 | stew, any guides you would recommend on doing a new debian install with raid1? |
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| 20:28.18 | Batchy | roler: change the default in menu.lst ? |
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| 20:29.26 | Heavy-D | tsairox: Sorry, I figured it was worth a shot.. normally works in X. |
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| 20:29.57 | stew | aoeu3: not off the top of my head. check the install guide: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 20:30.14 | tsairox | Heavy-D: no worries. This X configuring is the hardest part for me everytime |
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| 20:31.18 | Heavy-D | tsairox: I'm assuming this will be a desktop machine, and not a server. What graphics card do you have? |
| 20:32.18 | eurythmia | I'm running debian lenny, and I added the last.fm apt repo to my sources.conf, then proceeded to install lastfm (which is version 1.5.1.31879), but the diagnostics->radio option (under help) emits the "Error: The Last.fm servers are temporarily overloaded. Please try again in a moment" message, which has been showing up since I tried yesterday. I was wondering if anybody else has had this experience or could help |
| 20:32.18 | eurythmia | me to troubleshoot the problem. |
| 20:32.22 | tsairox | Heavy-D: nvidia GeForce 5500 |
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| 20:33.01 | Heavy-D | tsairox: and it won't go any higher than 640x480? weird... sorry I think I can help |
| 20:33.21 | tsairox | Heavy-D: thank you |
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| 20:34.18 | Batchy | tsairox: nothing interessant in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 20:35.01 | abrotman | eurythmia: that happens all the time .. wait five minutes or so, and try again |
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| 20:35.10 | abrotman | eurythmia: oh .. whoops |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | eurythmia: or ask #last.fm |
| 20:35.21 | eurythmia | abrotman, read the rest? ;) |
| 20:35.30 | abrotman | eurythmia: mine is working fine here |
| 20:35.43 | eurythmia | ah, I tried #lastfm, it wasn't a room. Thanks for the right room. |
| 20:36.11 | reaktae | guys, i need help again. i've done a fresh raid1 install with boot, / and swap mirrored. tested the system by removing each drive and plugged them in again. now i'm stuck with this: http://pastebin.com/d2d75e20b no resyncing is being done. how can i kickstart it? |
| 20:36.36 | Heavy-D | If I partitioned my disk twice ... the / partition and another mount point.... is it possible to delete that second partition (and mount point) and add the free space to extend the size of the root partition? |
| 20:37.03 | Sazpaimon | can someone help me with my synaptics touchpad? ive installed the synaptics tools but i cant get them to start to disable tapping |
| 20:37.28 | stew | Sazpaimon: set "MaxTapTime" to 0 |
| 20:38.07 | Sazpaimon | stew, where do I set this, the X11 config? |
| 20:38.22 | stuart | Is the only reason for /var/{run,lock}/ being ramdisks that it's pointless for their contents to persist after a reboot? |
| 20:38.32 | stuart | Or are the nosuid,noexec option things that they have important in some way? |
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| 20:39.07 | stew | Sazpaimon: you could do this in xorg.conf. i've not used the runtime configuration tools such as ksynaptics or gsynaptics or whatever. 'man synaptics' has all the options listed |
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| 20:39.51 | Sazpaimon | stew, whenever I try to start the synaptics utilities, it tells me SHMConfig is not on, yet i set it to on in about 4 different files |
| 20:40.17 | Sazpaimon | not to mention, MaxTapTime is set to 0 in my xorg,conf |
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| 20:41.44 | Sazpaimon | and yeah, still tapping |
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| 20:42.45 | stew | Sazpaimon: Option "MaxTapTime" "0" |
| 20:42.48 | stew | is what does it for me |
| 20:42.58 | Sazpaimon | doesnt do it for me |
| 20:44.06 | Sazpaimon | I have the driver in the INputDevice section set to synaptics, i tried device set to /dev/psaux and /dev/input/event8, protocol auto-dev, protocol raw |
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| 20:44.21 | Sazpaimon | none of them take any effect on the mouse |
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| 20:47.57 | Sazpaimon | stew, any ideas what I can do to double check my device and protcol options in my xorg.conf |
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| 20:48.16 | dupa_ | i dont have sit1 |
| 20:48.20 | dupa_ | what i should do |
| 20:48.23 | dupa_ | i have sit0 only :( |
| 20:48.33 | valdyn | dupa_: why is that a problem? |
| 20:48.48 | dupa_ | i wanna make ipv6 |
| 20:48.56 | dupa_ | and i need have both sid1 and sid0 |
| 20:48.57 | valdyn | dupa_: so? |
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| 20:49.03 | dupa_ | i need have sid0! |
| 20:49.03 | valdyn | dupa_: no you dont |
| 20:49.05 | stew | Sazpaimon: I'll show you mine if you show my yours. mine is at http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead ; (note that this one does other wierd stuff, like not allowing the touchpad to be used to move the cursor) |
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| 20:49.28 | dupa_ | debian:~/ipv6# ifconfig sit1 |
| 20:49.28 | dupa_ | sit1: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 20:49.28 | dupa_ | debian:~/ipv6# ifconfig sit0 |
| 20:49.28 | dupa_ | sit0 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 |
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| 20:49.35 | dupa_ | omg ;[ |
| 20:49.43 | valdyn | dupa_: you dont need this twice |
| 20:49.47 | dupa_ | http://wklej.org/id/42212/ |
| 20:49.50 | valdyn | dupa_: read up on what it is |
| 20:49.56 | dupa_ | ipv4 to ipv6 |
| 20:49.57 | dupa_ | i need! |
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| 20:50.03 | dupa_ | but i need ;( |
| 20:50.26 | dupa_ | http://wklej.org/id/42213/ |
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| 20:51.21 | dupa_ | see ?:( |
| 20:51.22 | dupa_ | i need! |
| 20:51.35 | Heavy-D | If i've allocated a specific size for my root partition, can i grow it if there is free space available? |
| 20:51.52 | Sazpaimon | stew, http://pastebin.com/f61d39f08 |
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| 20:52.01 | Sazpaimon | please feel freo to tell me what Im doing wrong |
| 20:52.03 | Sazpaimon | *free |
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| 20:52.29 | stew | Sazpaimon: try omitting Option "Device" "/dev/input/event8" |
| 20:52.33 | dupa_ | valdyn: what now |
| 20:52.36 | dupa_ | http://wklej.org/id/42213/ |
| 20:52.37 | dupa_ | :{ |
| 20:52.51 | Sazpaimon | stew, and not replacing it? |
| 20:52.56 | fd_64 | tsaildrox: I couldn't get X to work with my most recent lenny install. I installed etch, got X working and then upgraded to lenny |
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| 20:52.58 | stew | Sazpaimon: yes |
| 20:53.19 | Sazpaimon | alright, ctrl shift backspacing |
| 20:53.29 | stew | Sazpaimon: and maybe Protocol |
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| 20:53.39 | stew | Sazpaimon: those things should be auto-detectable |
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| 20:54.08 | Sazpaimon | stew, i thought that was what auto-dev did |
| 20:54.13 | dupa_ | how get sit1 ? |
| 20:54.24 | stew | Sazpaimon: yeah, probably |
| 20:54.32 | Sazpaimon | at any rate, omitted both stew restarted X, still tapping |
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| 20:55.23 | stew | Sazpaimon: try adding a new user and try X with that user, just to make sure that its not something in your user environment that isn't changing the settings |
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| 20:56.40 | valdyn | dupa_: read the docs properly |
| 20:56.47 | dupa_ | docs o f what |
| 20:56.51 | Sazpaimon | stew, even when logged out and at the login prompt it still taps, but I'll do it |
| 20:57.01 | valdyn | dupa_: of your tunnel broker |
| 20:57.14 | dupa_ | i need have sit1 and sit2 |
| 20:57.20 | dupa_ | *sit0 and sit1 |
| 20:57.20 | valdyn | dupa_: sit is something else, and debians sit0 needs to go away |
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| 20:57.56 | stew | Sazpaimon: hmm, sorry, I'm out of ideas. "WorksForMe!" |
| 20:57.56 | dupa_ | NETIF=eth1 # WAN interface (if empty or incorrect the 'whatismyip' will be used) |
| 20:57.56 | dupa_ | TUNIF0=sit0 # tunnel interface for v4v6 encapsulation |
| 20:57.56 | dupa_ | TUNIF1=sit1 # tunnel interface for v6v4 encapsulation |
| 20:57.56 | dupa_ | and i dont have this sit1 |
| 20:57.56 | Sazpaimon | stew, :( |
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| 20:59.05 | dupa_ | valdyn: so what i should do :( |
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| 21:01.56 | valdyn | dupa_: dont ask us, as that tunnel broker |
| 21:02.07 | valdyn | dupa_: dont ask us, *ask* that tunnel broker |
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| 21:05.58 | Nigromante | hello, sometimes, when I plug in a USB pen drive and then unplug it, my USB wifi adapter gets restarted, any clue? |
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| 21:15.37 | mydrmeix | ive got a XFS home\root with a ext2 boot... when shutting down I get LVM de-activate failed |
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| 21:15.53 | valdyn | mydrmeix: is / on lvm ? |
| 21:16.01 | TraceRoute | do any of you have ushare installed? |
| 21:16.02 | mydrmeix | valdyn: yea |
| 21:16.03 | brian17 | anyone know how to setup printing from gutenprint in etch |
| 21:16.45 | valdyn | mydrmeix: that message is ok then, userspace cannot deactivate that volume group |
| 21:16.50 | valdyn | mydrmeix: kernel clean up later |
| 21:16.53 | valdyn | mydrmeix: kernel cleans up later |
| 21:17.29 | dupa_ | valdyn: what i can do ? |
| 21:17.40 | dupa_ | tunnel broker say need have both |
| 21:17.45 | dupa_ | how can i install sit1 ? |
| 21:17.46 | valdyn | mydrmeix: file a bug report that debian scripts should acknowledge that fact and not bring that confusing error message |
| 21:18.04 | dupa_ | ipv4->v6 |
| 21:18.10 | dupa_ | because sit0 is v6->v4 |
| 21:18.35 | valdyn | dupa_: yes, you need both appearantl |
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| 21:19.09 | valdyn | dupa_: im not going to debug your service providers scripts or read their docs ( which i probably dont even have access to ) |
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| 21:20.00 | dupa_ | but how install this sit1 |
| 21:20.05 | dupa_ | because i have installed only sit0 :( |
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| 21:20.17 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:20.38 | HardDisk_WP | i run crontab -e as root, and the textfile is not the content of /etc/crontab |
| 21:21.07 | HardDisk_WP | oh, forget it. i'm stupid...for /etc/crontab one doesnt need to run crontab |
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| 21:23.03 | brian17 | is there a way to get firefox 3 on etch |
| 21:23.14 | brian17 | and flash 10 on etch |
| 21:23.50 | mydrmeix | brian17: you would have to update to lenny |
| 21:24.54 | brian17 | can i compile from source? |
| 21:25.05 | stew | brian17: you'd have to compile all of gtk from source |
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| 21:25.39 | stew | brian17: the problem is not just firefox, its that it depends on a gtk which is not on etch, and gtk is much larger and harder to backport |
| 21:26.02 | brian17 | is there a firefox alternative? |
| 21:26.13 | stew | iceweasel version 2 ? |
| 21:26.23 | brian17 | can i run IE8 with wine? |
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| 21:26.38 | stew | brian17: there are some unofficial and not recommended ways to get ff3 on etch: /msg dpkg ff3 etch ; its probably safer to upgrade to lenny, though (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
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| 21:27.24 | afallenhope|work | hey I can't install php5-curl I get the following issue: http://pastebin.ca/1313937 |
| 21:27.31 | brian17 | what is the lightest XSETTING manager I can get? |
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| 21:27.35 | Sazpaimon | yeah i still cant get xorg.conf to recognize my touchpad, it just seems to do it automatically |
| 21:27.39 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
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| 21:27.57 | Sazpaimon | i cant understand why something as increibly mundane as disabiling tapping has to be a fucking chore |
| 21:27.58 | gravity | brian17: |
| 21:28.03 | gravity | brian17: xrdb? |
| 21:28.54 | craigevil | Sazpaimon: google Touchfreeze |
| 21:28.54 | brian17 | no i can install xrdb and run it and then pcmanfm wont complain anymore? |
| 21:29.05 | stew | afallenhope|work: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libcurl4-openssl-dev libkrb5-dev php5-curl" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:29.28 | Sazpaimon | craigevil, "It automatically disables touchpad while you are typing text. Like syndaemon on x-windows. " |
| 21:29.36 | Sazpaimon | what does that have to do with tapping |
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| 21:30.19 | avtobiff | hi! |
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| 21:31.17 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 21:31.21 | nox-Hand | Hi thar |
| 21:31.39 | edwin_quijada | How can I elimnitae a blank from a variable using bash |
| 21:31.41 | edwin_quijada | ?? |
| 21:31.50 | Sazpaimon | craigevil, not to mention. SHMCOnfig is required to run touchfreeze, if I cant even get xorg.conf to work with my touchpad, how do you expect me to run touchfreeze |
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| 21:32.30 | stew | edwin_quijada: ${VARIABLE/ /} |
| 21:32.44 | afallenhope|work | stew, yeah.. that did nothing. lol. |
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| 21:33.05 | stew | afallenhope|work: what do you mean 'did nothing'? |
| 21:33.14 | brian17 | is lenny pretty stable right now? |
| 21:33.31 | stew | brian17: yes, it has been frozen for 6 months |
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| 21:33.39 | afallenhope|work | stew, didn't do anything. as in.. didn't support |
| 21:33.46 | edwin_quijada | stew |
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| 21:33.57 | stew | afallenhope|work: that command didn't produce output? |
| 21:35.43 | stew | afallenhope|work: did it give you an error? |
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| 21:35.43 | edwin_quijada | stew:i get an error |
| 21:35.43 | nox-Hand | Anyone have knowledge with /etc/networking/interfaces? I set up the following, but it works not, although eth0_rename is my wireless: http://pastebin.ca/1313954 |
| 21:35.43 | stew | edwin_quijada: what error? |
| 21:35.43 | nox-Hand | Any help would be greatly appriciated |
| 21:35.43 | afallenhope|work | stew parse |
| 21:35.43 | afallenhope|work | stew parse error |
| 21:35.43 | stew | afallenhope|work: are you running debian? |
| 21:35.44 | afallenhope|work | yup |
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| 21:35.44 | edwin_quijada | t: line 11: name1/: No such file or directory |
| 21:35.44 | stew | afallenhope|work: what command gave you "parse error"? |
| 21:35.44 | avtobiff | i have a problem with the mouse that i have never seen before. when i click somewhere (terminal iceweasel etc) it selects the text, an entire word (iceweasel) or line (terminal). i believe that this behaviour can be summoned with the shift key, but none of them are pressed. how can i remedy this? |
| 21:35.44 | afallenhope|work | the pastebin |
| 21:35.44 | stew | edwin_quijada: you are running a script named "t"? |
| 21:35.44 | stew | dpkg: tell afallenhope|work about pastebin |
| 21:35.47 | stew | afallenhope|work: "/msg dpkg pastebin" was a command you were meant to type in irc |
| 21:35.51 | edwin_quijada | stew: yes |
| 21:35.53 | afallenhope|work | I did.. |
| 21:35.59 | stew | afallenhope|work: which will tell you how you can show us the output of the previous command |
| 21:36.03 | edwin_quijada | stew: echo $(name1/ /) |
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| 21:36.16 | stew | afallenhope|work: can you please show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libcurl4-openssl-dev libkrb5-dev php5-curl" |
| 21:36.26 | afallenhope|work | I did that.. |
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| 21:36.37 | stew | edwin_quijada: "echo ${name1/ /}" not "echo $(name/ /) |
| 21:36.43 | stew | edwin_quijada: what is the first line of the 't' script? |
| 21:36.51 | stew | afallenhope|work: i didn't see it, can you show me again? |
| 21:37.01 | afallenhope|work | http://paste.debian.net/26492/ |
| 21:37.01 | stew | afallenhope|work: where did you put the output? |
| 21:37.20 | stew | afallenhope|work: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 21:37.36 | Sazpaimon | yeah SHMConfig wont enable |
| 21:37.38 | Sazpaimon | no matter what I do |
| 21:37.48 | Sazpaimon | how do I force it to enable for absolutely everything no matter what |
| 21:38.05 | edwin_quijada | stew: nam = edwin |
| 21:38.09 | edwin_quijada | first line |
| 21:38.18 | brian17 | why isn't debian recommended by GNU? |
| 21:38.40 | stew | edwin_quijada: ok, i just wanted to make sure you were running it with bash instead of sh, i was expecting you to say something like "#!/bin/sh" or "#!/bin/bash" |
| 21:38.57 | edwin_quijada | no |
| 21:38.58 | Sazpaimon | ok screw it |
| 21:39.03 | edwin_quijada | I running with sh |
| 21:39.09 | Sazpaimon | im gonna go out on a limb and say its impossible to get this working |
| 21:39.16 | Sazpaimon | considering I'm on my second week of trying |
| 21:39.29 | dmoerner | brian17: because (a) Debian servers still host non-free content, (b) dfsg considers the GNU free documentation license non-free |
| 21:39.29 | stew | edwin_quijada: oh, then what I'm saying wont work, you said bash before |
| 21:39.35 | stew | edwin_quijada: with sh, i think you'd have to do something like send it thorugh sed, though I'm not sure |
| 21:40.08 | edwin_quijada | stew: there are differences? |
| 21:40.24 | Sazpaimon | alright, found my ubuntu livecd, if THAT can fix tapping, Im going to be seriously pissed |
| 21:40.28 | stew | edwin_quijada: yes, bash extends the sh syntax a lot |
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| 21:41.40 | Sazpaimon | ok, THAT wont even work with my touchpad |
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| 21:42.44 | brian17 | wait - the gnu considers their own licesne non free? |
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| 21:43.29 | dmoerner | brian17: no, it is non-dfsg-free |
| 21:43.43 | stew | brian17: no, GNU doesn't not think that documentation should come with the same freedom that other software does. Debian thinks that in order to be included in debian, users must be given the same freedems with documentation as for other software |
| 21:44.32 | stew | brian17: becuase GNU releases some documentation without allowing users full freedem to distribute modified copies, debian has removed some GNU documentation from debian |
| 21:44.54 | nox-Hand | Anyone up for helping a little with /etc/networking/interfaces? =] |
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| 21:45.26 | adama_ | nox-Hand: we're always up for an easy task ;) |
| 21:45.31 | stew | brian17: but yes, i guess they consider their own license non-free. but it comes from their belief that documentation is not software, and users should not necessarily be given the same freedoms with documentation |
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| 21:46.46 | nox-Hand | adama_: It seems it was easy o.o I fixed it myself :] |
| 21:47.07 | nox-Hand | wpa-psk was defined as wpa-tkip |
| 21:47.13 | nox-Hand | Sorry for bothering you :) |
| 21:47.13 | adama_ | nox-Hand: you promised us a problem, don't leave us hanging! |
| 21:47.17 | brian17 | so gnu is "punishing" debian for being too free? |
| 21:47.30 | nox-Hand | adama_: Fine! Help me get Entertainer Media center running on Sid ;) |
| 21:47.44 | adama_ | never heard of it. ask the package maintainer |
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| 21:47.46 | adama_ | :P |
| 21:47.48 | stew | brian17: i don't know what you mean by punishing? |
| 21:47.49 | nox-Hand | *waits for the silence, followed by a shuffling of feet from people running away* |
| 21:47.56 | nox-Hand | adama_: I am in line with him, don't worry ;) |
| 21:48.01 | nox-Hand | I had to find a problem ;) |
| 21:49.00 | stew | brian17: read the "debian social contract". especially the last paragraph. although debian tries to be 100% free, they also make available non-free repositories that users can add if they choose. RMS doesn't like debian for this reason (that we make some non-free software available) |
| 21:50.00 | brian17 | what does the acronym rms stand for |
| 21:50.22 | stew | brian17: but yes, FSF also doesn't like that debian would take the non-free documentation away. Prominent emacs developers / prominent FSF members have asked that debian stop including emacs if it won't include its non-free documentation |
| 21:50.30 | stew | brian17: which acronym? |
| 21:50.33 | brian17 | RMS |
| 21:50.40 | dmoerner | richard stallman |
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| 21:50.50 | stew | brian17: Richard M. Stallman is the founder of the FSF / GNU |
| 21:51.11 | brian17 | i thought root mean square started fsf |
| 21:51.20 | TheUnderTaker | rms started linux Linus started gnu |
| 21:51.30 | stew | TheUnderTaker: that's backwards |
| 21:51.36 | TheUnderTaker | LOL |
| 21:51.40 | meyou | so... got a debian sid server |
| 21:51.42 | Gnurdux | indeed |
| 21:51.44 | meyou | want to make it a faux-nas |
| 21:51.51 | meyou | what's the quickest, dirtiest route? |
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| 21:52.01 | Trewas | brian17: debian is mostly punishing itself for being holier than the pope (gnu), it's not helping anyone that two lines of non-modifiable documentation makes whole document "non-free" |
| 21:52.13 | meyou | don't need any sort of directory support, just passwd users |
| 21:52.26 | _40oxo_ | what package is mkinitrd in in apt? the debian packages search didn't help me :) |
| 21:53.18 | brian17 | seems a bit silly to me |
| 21:54.06 | stew | the idea that debian should compromise its position on trying to be 100% free becuase FSF doesn't care to be 100% free anymore is absurd, imo |
| 21:54.49 | stew | or becuase FSF has decided that it should redefine the meaning of the word 'software' becuase it helps them force users to propagate its "manifesto" |
| 21:54.55 | asg | stew: it's still an admirable goal that should be pursued though I agree some pragmatism in the short term is useful |
| 21:54.58 | craigevil | DFSG rules, screw FSF |
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| 21:55.15 | Maior | I'm just impressed that both care so much about freedom |
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| 21:55.25 | TheUnderTaker | RMS makes me laugh So HARD |
| 21:55.34 | TheUnderTaker | a device driver that is closed spies on you LOL |
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| 21:56.47 | stew | asg: well its been a long time since debian released without knowingly allowing non-free software in the release, which i think is already too much pragmatism for me |
| 21:56.47 | Trewas | stew: I think debian's definition of software is quite unique... is the US constitution (which debian distributes) really software? :) |
| 21:56.59 | stew | Trewas: how about the dictionary definition? |
| 21:57.37 | brian17 | if i donate to fsf where does my money go |
| 21:57.44 | stew | Trewas: are you going to try to claim that the us constitution is hardware? |
| 21:57.56 | stew | Trewas: or that it should be removed from debian? |
| 21:58.16 | meyou | i'd say it's literature |
| 21:58.20 | meyou | neither hardware nor software |
| 21:58.22 | asg | stew: non-free in main or just non-free in general? |
| 21:58.23 | Sazpaimon | ok yeah i just tried editng HAL files to get shmconfig enabled and it STILL isnt enabling it |
| 21:58.27 | Sazpaimon | i quit, I give up |
| 21:58.29 | stew | asg: in main |
| 21:58.35 | asg | true |
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| 21:58.43 | Trewas | stew: google offers definition "The programs, routines, and symbolic languages that control the functioning of the hardware and direct its operation." which sesms quite reasonable and does not include us constituin |
| 21:58.58 | Sazpaimon | debian just absolutely refuses to cooperate with me whatsoever |
| 21:59.00 | Sazpaimon | pos |
| 21:59.24 | stew | Trewas: last time I looked it up, it contained "and associated documentation" in the definition |
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| 22:01.13 | streuner | Sazpaimon: the same here :-) |
| 22:01.28 | brian17 | haha stallman is part of greenparty |
| 22:01.28 | Trewas | stew: to me it seems that if any documentation (and honestly US constitution cannot be "associated documentation") is considered software, then pretty everything in binary format must software... which does not make much sense to me |
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| 22:01.51 | stew | , i like knowing "if it is in debian, i can do whataever I want with it", instead of having to say "hmm, this is a png, so i guess i have to try to track down the licensing myself to see if I can show this image to my friend" |
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| 22:02.12 | Sazpaimon | streuner, well normally the OS is very good to me, for the last two weeks though its been absolutely dreaful |
| 22:02.18 | Sazpaimon | i think Im gonna move the OS back to windows |
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| 22:02.28 | Sazpaimon | i cant deal with this touchpad crap much longer |
| 22:02.44 | stew | moving the documentation that I'm not allowed to modify/distribute to non-free makes sense, so that I know, "if it is in debian, i'm allowed to modify it" |
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| 22:04.43 | Trewas | stew: I can see that point of view and why it is desirable, but that does not mean that documentation==software |
| 22:05.12 | stew | Trewas: that's fine. call documentation whatever you want. whatever it is, if it is non-free, it doesn't belong in debian |
| 22:05.30 | Trewas | like the firmwares which now can belong to debian? :) |
| 22:05.44 | stew | Trewas: which? |
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| 22:05.59 | stew | Trewas: do you know of any which are non-free that are still in debian? |
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| 22:06.44 | Trewas | heh, ok that is not really the same thing as only the (potentially somewhere existing) source is missing |
| 22:06.53 | stew | right |
| 22:07.11 | stew | and i voted against it! :) |
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| 22:07.25 | stew | actually i think i might have put the wining option over FD |
| 22:07.55 | Trewas | heh, good! ) |
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| 22:11.15 | Trewas | stew: overall I think there should be some room for common sense there somewhere, like that firefox has icon with non-free license -> so firefox cannot be included in debian (even with all the other trademark reasons forbidding changing the icon to some other) |
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| 22:11.58 | stew | Trewas: we also can't have firefox becuase they don't want us to provide security patches to old versions |
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| 22:12.29 | Maior | meh, imho iceweasel is a far cooler name |
| 22:12.30 | Trewas | stew: was that really asked from them? I somehow got the impression the discussion did not actually go very far |
| 22:12.33 | elik_ | stew, wasn't there something about the logo too? |
| 22:13.06 | valdyn | Trewas: its about debian distributing something branded firefox that is actually firefox + debian patches |
| 22:13.59 | Trewas | valdyn: I know, but some other distributions (like ubuntu and fedora) seem to be meeting mozilla's demands |
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| 22:14.51 | valdyn | Trewas: sure, they dont have a policy like debian |
| 22:14.55 | stew | Trewas: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 search for "security" in that bug report |
| 22:15.20 | stew | "Yes, if you are shipping a browser called Firefox, we should be signing |
| 22:15.25 | stew | off on every deviation from what we ship" |
| 22:16.20 | stew | also note that the bug reporter is not me, even if his name looks similar! (i've been accused of being the bug reporter a couple of times :) ) |
| 22:17.00 | stew | elik_: yes, the logo is what started all this and prompted mozcorp to file this bug |
| 22:17.17 | Trewas | stew: other distributions meet mozilla's demands and still often are able to ship new firefox packages faster after a security bug than debian |
| 22:17.41 | stew | Trewas: afaik, this is becuase mozilla isn't making demands on them |
| 22:18.00 | elik_ | stew, didn't know legal issues were filed as bug, but I like it :) |
| 22:18.05 | Hydroxide | Trewas: in addition to what stew said, sometimes they just put in a new version of firefox without worrying about whether it'll change anything users care about |
| 22:18.26 | Hydroxide | Trewas: they == other distros. debian stable tries to preserve stability. |
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| 22:18.38 | Hydroxide | Trewas: which includes not changing behavior unexpectedly in an update. |
| 22:18.46 | stew | Trewas: at the time when this bug was filing was made, ubuntu was taking the debian package, and then altering another 50 files on top of what debian was distributing, but ubuntu did not get a similar request to stop using the mark |
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| 22:19.21 | Trewas | stew: yes, because they were showing willingess to work with mozilla, not nitpick about license of the logo :) |
| 22:19.25 | craigevil | a new version of iceweasel is usually in sid in 4-5 days after Mozilla releases Firefox |
| 22:19.32 | stew | Trewas: they were? where? |
| 22:19.47 | brian17 | how do i use the -f option in apt-get? |
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| 22:20.01 | stew | brian17: apt-get -f install |
| 22:20.07 | brian17 | does it work for updates? |
| 22:20.26 | stew | brian17: what do you mean? what makes you ask about it? |
| 22:20.52 | scgtrp | how can i hold all php5-* packages without manually going through and holding each one? |
| 22:20.56 | Kalleos | how can I remove a kernel module? |
| 22:21.30 | scgtrp | Kalleos, rmmod |
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| 22:23.06 | Trewas | stew: ubuntu seems to be still using the official logo, while that debian bug you mentioned earlier shows a comment from mike hommey "There's no solution to that problem except changing name" |
| 22:23.07 | stew | scgtrp: you want to set them on hold in dselect or in aptitude? |
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| 22:23.40 | scgtrp | stew, just keeping apt-get dist-upgrade from updating them - i have a custom compiled php5 that i don't want overwritten |
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| 22:23.48 | Sazpaimon | how do i confirm that my wireless driver is functioning without getting myself in range of a wireless network |
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| 22:24.10 | CyberGabber | Is there a trick (in bash) so I don't have to completely retype the last part ("/etc/ssh/sshd_config......") of a command like "sudo cp /etc/ssh/sshd_config /etc/ssh/sshd_config.original" ? In other words : howto 'copy' the first part of the text to the second part ? |
| 22:24.11 | stew | Trewas: can you think of another solution other than changing the name? removing the package from debian entirely, i guess |
| 22:24.39 | Hydroxide | yeah |
| 22:24.41 | Hydroxide | oops |
| 22:24.43 | Hydroxide | wrong window |
| 22:24.52 | elik_ | timely Hydroxide, timely :P |
| 22:24.54 | scgtrp | CyberGabber, sudo cp /etc/ssh/sshd_config{,.original} |
| 22:25.19 | jelly-home | CyberGabber: $_ expands to the rightmost argument of the previous command |
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| 22:25.43 | jelly-home | CyberGabber: also try <esc>. |
| 22:25.54 | Trewas | stew: yeah, having this thing called "common sense", one icon with non-free license is not very bad, even more so when that software includes option (in the upstream sources) to use a free one instead |
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| 22:26.33 | Hydroxide | Trewas: canonical, the company behind ubuntu, signed a written agreement with mozilla, and I believe they do submit their code changes for mozilla's review, etc. plus they're probably ignoring the license issues. in other words they just accepted mozilla's demands, which debian didn't. |
| 22:26.41 | stew | Trewas: so you are talkig about removing it from debian and moving it to non-free instead? |
| 22:26.54 | jelly-home | CyberGabber: sorry, ignore me, I've misunderstood your question! |
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| 22:27.46 | stew | scgtrp: you are talking about dselect the, yes, perhaps somehting like "dpkg --get-selections | awk '/php/{print $1 " hold" }' | dpkg --set-selections" |
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| 22:28.19 | Trewas | stew: nope, but considering only license of the software (i.e. the sources) and ignoring the license of the icon (where I don't being able to *modify* it matters much, as making a new 32x32 bitmap image is not too much to ask) |
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| 22:28.33 | cads_ | oh i know I'll ask dpkg |
| 22:29.08 | stew | Trewas: so what you are proposing, is that, in order to keep the name "firefox", debian decides to no longer try to remain 100% free, and it also decides that allowing known vulnerable software sit in stable unpatched? |
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| 22:29.38 | stew | Trewas: or that debian decides to get rid of "stable" in order to keep the firefox name? |
| 22:29.43 | stew | this all sounds like a disservice to users |
| 22:29.56 | x1250 | agrees |
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| 22:30.04 | scgtrp | stew, or just download the i386 binary from the mozilla site like i did. :) |
| 22:30.32 | stew | or just be happy that someone did the work to fork the non-free software in order to provide you with a free, secure alternative |
| 22:30.38 | Kalleos | what are the most popular video player for linux? |
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| 22:30.44 | elik_ | scgtrp, and keep it up to date manually |
| 22:30.51 | elik_ | Kalleos, mplayer |
| 22:31.10 | lostbutler | Kalleos: xine, mplayer , vlc |
| 22:31.20 | Kalleos | ty |
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| 22:31.26 | gynterk | Kick and ba HaCI, pealse, advertises every new jointer with porn links in private |
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| 22:31.35 | scgtrp | elik_, firefox changes (except 2->3, but i already have 3) haven't been big enough for me to notice anything at all, much less requiring me to upgrade |
| 22:31.42 | Kalleos | yeah I agree with gynterk |
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| 22:31.58 | scgtrp | seconded... uh, thirded i guess |
| 22:32.02 | elik_ | scgtrp, how about security? |
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| 22:32.04 | stew | scgtrp: what about all of the security problems? |
| 22:32.26 | scgtrp | ... wtf are you doing with firefox that makes it pose any kind of security threat? |
| 22:32.32 | Trewas | stew: 100% free seems to be a long-term goal anyway (see the discussion of the last firmware vote), not something that is of uttermost importance _now_, and I think that it would not be a disservice to anyone to include the last "stable" version from the upstream in some cases |
| 22:32.45 | scgtrp | oh well, that's what i do, don't do it if you don't like it |
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| 22:33.15 | stew | scgtrp: maybe take a look at the 10 security bugs that debian pathed a few days ago |
| 22:33.20 | jelly-home | stew: 2.0.0.19 still has the security fixes |
| 22:33.21 | valdyn | scgtrp: i guess online banking does not count as security sensitive |
| 22:33.27 | elik_ | scgtrp, once you see what(and how) you can you a buffer overflow... you don't think the same way |
| 22:33.33 | olimpico | Can someone please tell me how to get dmesg in the shell live, I mean to output all new messages automatically |
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| 22:33.46 | scgtrp | elik_, you have a point - i've never youed a buffer overflow. |
| 22:33.51 | lostbutler | Trewas: it would be a disservice, users like me make assumptions about debian over time. one it is 100% free and it would not have licensing issues or let any outside body dictate stuff |
| 22:33.59 | scgtrp | </semiflamewar> |
| 22:34.23 | elik_ | scgtrp, bacially, someone from their web page could exploit firefox in having it... delete your home or whatever... quite scary |
| 22:34.50 | scgtrp | elik_, i know what a buffer overflow is, just making fun of your typing :) |
| 22:34.50 | CyberGabber | scgtrp: Thanks, that works... |
| 22:34.51 | stew | oh did the lastest iceweasel dsa have a new upstream version? |
| 22:34.56 | scgtrp | CyberGabber, np |
| 22:35.13 | elik_ | ScriptRipper, hum, right, sorry :P |
| 22:35.34 | stew | Trewas: you are going to have a hard time convincing me that debian should give up its model of 'stable' or its idea of free software just so that we can use the firefox trademark |
| 22:35.44 | ScriptRipper | elik_: sorry? |
| 22:36.18 | elik_ | ScriptRipper, oh, sorry, that was intended for scgtrp |
| 22:36.31 | ScriptRipper | okok! |
| 22:37.31 | Trewas | stew: hasn't debian stable included new firefox versions earlier (not just backporting specific patches)? I'm quite sure that happened with some 1.0.x firefox versions, because it would have too much work to separate only the relevant pathces |
| 22:38.06 | stew | Trewas: yes, this is true |
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| 22:38.22 | stew | Trewas: what is wrong with the fork? |
| 22:38.40 | Trewas | lostbutler: from the user's point of view using the firefox icons is 100% free, the problems only exist if someone makes a distro based on debian and wishes to do some modifications |
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| 22:38.46 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 22:39.05 | eptalon | Is UDF a valid filesystem on a CD-R? |
| 22:39.12 | stew | Trewas: they are 100% free? |
| 22:39.31 | Sazpaimon | so when I click "connect" in tsclient the window just closes and nothing happens |
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| 22:39.33 | Sazpaimon | what gives? |
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| 22:40.35 | Trewas | stew: iceweasel seems to be always a (minor) version or two behind the real thing and some (stupid) websites check the browser's name |
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| 22:40.48 | stew | Trewas: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 22:41.02 | stew | Trewas: doesn't everything in debian seem to alwys be a (minor) version or two behind? |
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| 22:41.46 | c369 | is there a log file for errors occurring at boot time? |
| 22:42.06 | Trewas | stew: but anyway I have been using the mozilla's upstream version of firefox since the iceweasel debacle, so I can still live it :) |
| 22:42.10 | xand | c369: run dmesg, look in /var/log/messages |
| 22:42.27 | stew | judd: info iceweasel --release sid |
| 22:42.27 | judd | stew: iceweasel (web): is optional; Version: 3.0.5-1; Size: 1104.9k; Installed: 3900k -- lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 22:42.33 | stew | looks the same |
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| 22:42.45 | c369 | xand, thanks |
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| 22:43.03 | Sazpaimon | anyone know whats wrong with my tsclient? :( |
| 22:43.07 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.5) Gecko/2008122011 Firefox/3.0.5 (Debian-3.0.5-1) is the same as the current Mozilla version |
| 22:43.15 | Lovecraft | I fixed my X thang with Lenny. |
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| 22:44.28 | stew | looks like 3.0.4 was released in november and uploaded 2 weeks later |
| 22:44.51 | stew | 3.0.3 came out in september and was uploaded in october |
| 22:44.53 | Trewas | stew: but as an open-source supporter it would be nice if the linux distributions could show the support for open-source in the logs of websites by using the real firefox user-agent string (or whatever open-source browser they are using, not renaming them to whatever random names) |
| 22:45.01 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: To what machine are you connecting ? Ubuntu , MS ? |
| 22:45.06 | Lovecraft | I did an X -configure and use tha as xorg.conf and pasted the right stuff from an Etch xorg.conf |
| 22:45.24 | Lovecraft | Viola; the correct resolution. |
| 22:45.39 | stew | heh, 3.0.1 was released on july 16 and was uploaded on july 14th somehow |
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| 22:45.56 | valdyn | Trewas: are you just trolling? |
| 22:46.15 | Trewas | valdyn: why do you ask that? |
| 22:46.15 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, windows, windows 7 specifically |
| 22:46.34 | valdyn | Trewas: because everyone who can operate a webserver can figure what iceweasel is |
| 22:46.36 | Sazpaimon | I tried RDP and RDPv5 protocol, no luck, i click connect and the window just immediately closes |
| 22:46.36 | stew | Trewas: yeah, it would be nice, unfortunately corporation doens't let us |
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| 22:47.02 | Trewas | valdyn: just because I have some sympahty for firefox (and mozilla) and their unpopular licenses? |
| 22:47.13 | x1250 | Trewas, logs are mostly kept private. |
| 22:47.15 | lex | Halo friends.... Has anyone had the joy of making a w28k server print to a samba3 server? |
| 22:47.35 | c369 | i'm wondering, if I get the message 'hidd: new hid device ... (keyboard)' and 'keyboard as /class/input/input6' why do I have to do 'hidd --connect ....' before using it? |
| 22:47.46 | valdyn | Trewas: what does sympathy have to do with all this? |
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| 22:47.54 | c369 | at startup, i get those messages when booting |
| 22:48.06 | Sazpaimon | hmm, I just tried rdesktop, and it looks like that is timing out too |
| 22:48.08 | Sazpaimon | odd |
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| 22:48.13 | SQlvpapir | I love it when people say "SSD disk" |
| 22:48.19 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Checked this ? Is Win7 on your lan? Can you ping Win7 on IP-adres? ( or hostname ). Did you use RDP5 as protocol in TS-client ? |
| 22:48.29 | lex | SQlvpapir: or smbd daemon |
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| 22:49.03 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, Windows is on my LAN, I can ping the LAN IP |
| 22:49.07 | Sazpaimon | RDP5 is set |
| 22:49.25 | lex | whatever happened to nickserv? |
| 22:49.27 | Trewas | valdyn: just that it would be nice if open-source projects could work with each other, not fight for some minor reasons |
| 22:49.36 | Eulex | SQlvpapir, like NT Technology? |
| 22:49.41 | valdyn | Trewas: no one is fighting |
| 22:49.47 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, oh crap i just realized the port is different |
| 22:50.05 | SQlvpapir | yea and IT technology |
| 22:50.08 | meyou | ATM machine |
| 22:50.09 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Normally 3389 ? or something ? |
| 22:50.10 | meyou | PIN number |
| 22:50.25 | meyou | NIC card |
| 22:50.33 | Trewas | stew: but anyway, I can see both debian's (and mozilla's) reasons and that they are not like to change and I will not be able to do anything about that :) |
| 22:50.39 | valdyn | Trewas: feel free to contact mozilla corp though, or lobby for debian policy change |
| 22:50.47 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, I have the port set to 8080 because my school only works with 80 and 8080 |
| 22:51.54 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, I tried 192.168.1.104:8080 as the server and it disconnects immediately |
| 22:52.23 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Remember to choose in TS-client > Performance > "Attach to console" |
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| 22:53.00 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, it doesnt even connect |
| 22:53.09 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, is tsclient a frontend for rdesktop? |
| 22:53.23 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: AS far as i know, yes. |
| 22:53.33 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, maybe rdesktop hardcodes the RDP port |
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| 22:54.25 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: It is posible to connect trougt terminal /CLI, by command 'rdesktop' |
| 22:54.44 | nsadmin | how do I go about setting the sound output device for flash? |
| 22:54.57 | nsadmin | etch, flash player 9 |
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| 22:56.01 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Check rdesktop parameter : -g: desktop geometry (WxH) |
| 22:56.30 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, I dont see an ything in the rdesktop manpage that has anything to do with setting the port |
| 22:57.10 | \amethyst | Sazpaimon: rdesktop [options] server[:port] |
| 22:57.56 | Sazpaimon | in that case, Im doing it right then |
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| 22:58.40 | Sazpaimon | immediately it says "ERROR: recv: Connection reset by peer" |
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| 23:00.14 | Sazpaimon | just tried normal VNC, no problem |
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| 23:01.40 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Usage: rdesktop [options] server[:port] |
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| 23:02.00 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, yes I know, i did rdesktop 192.168.1.104:8080 |
| 23:02.06 | Sazpaimon | and it gives me"ERROR: recv: Connection reset by peer" |
| 23:03.06 | c369 | where would you put 'hidd -connect 00:...' in order to connect a bluetooth device on startup? I don't get it to work in the /etc/default/bluetooth |
| 23:03.13 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Could be fro different reasons, maybe the firewall at school wont accept your IP-adres or something.. |
| 23:03.32 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, i just booted into windows and tested it, worked fine |
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| 23:03.59 | Sazpaimon | let me try getting unstable rdesktop |
| 23:05.05 | CyberGabber | Sazpaimon: Ahh.. did you setup WIN7 for accepting RDP-sessions from the windows-users ?! |
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| 23:06.05 | Sazpaimon | CyberGabber, my user is set to allow remote connections |
| 23:06.28 | Sazpaimon | do I need to disable network level authentication? |
| 23:06.41 | Sazpaimon | ahh, yes I do |
| 23:07.42 | Sazpaimon | hmm, its very very laggy over LAN |
| 23:08.11 | Sazpaimon | like, extremelly laggt |
| 23:08.15 | Sazpaimon | *laggy |
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| 23:09.51 | Sazpaimon | ah thats better |
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| 23:11.04 | Sazpaimon | heh, naturally aero doesnt work |
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| 23:11.30 | Sazpaimon | i take it aero requires windows API on the connecting computer |
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| 23:12.06 | ktwilight | enouf, ping |
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| 23:14.52 | batman_ramirez | is there a console command to make the touchpad stop working and then statr it again |
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| 23:21.42 | lex | Samba gods and associated sindicates, has anyone, ever, gotten a w28k box to print to a samba3 box? |
| 23:23.09 | mike1980 | Hi there I just tryed "hdparm -Tt /dev/hda" on a pentium 4 machine with 7200rpm drive I am getting what I think are very low speeds can anyone confirm "/dev/hda: |
| 23:23.10 | mike1980 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.10 | mike1980 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:23.57 | Gm4n | I'm looking at the manpage for /proc/, and it seems that /proc/stat should have 8 entries for each cpu. However, mine has nine. What gives? |
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| 23:24.33 | valdyn | mike1980: 51.97 isnt that bad |
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| 23:25.08 | mike1980 | valdyn: ah ok thanks for some reason I thought it should be around 1000 |
| 23:25.21 | valdyn | mike1980: 208 MB in 3.01 seconds = 69.02 MB/sec |
| 23:25.22 | abrotman | why, back in my day ... |
| 23:25.31 | valdyn | mike1980: however: 6072 MB in 2.00 seconds = 3039.01 MB/sec |
| 23:25.41 | valdyn | mike1980: no idea why your ram is that slow |
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| 23:26.10 | mike1980 | ya I have 256ram in there |
| 23:26.26 | valdyn | mike1980: im talking about speed, not amount of ram |
| 23:26.26 | tvakah | is there any provision for setting file-based capability ( libcap2-bin, setcap-like ) but in a debian-sanctioned, dpkg-won't-clobber-my-capability-settings way? |
| 23:26.39 | tvakah | similar to dpkg-statoverride, but for caps |
| 23:27.06 | mike1980 | valdyn: the speed of the ram correct? |
| 23:27.15 | valdyn | mike1980: yes |
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| 23:28.01 | mike1980 | valdyn: so my Timing cached reads are ok and my iming buffered disk reads are bad or both you think? |
| 23:28.09 | valdyn | mike1980: 40G ata disk on a duron cpu: 252.78 MB/sec and 19.26 MB/sec |
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| 23:28.30 | valdyn | mike1980: cached reads should benchmark your ram, not the disk |
| 23:28.53 | valdyn | mike1980: while the 2nd number is raw disk speed |
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| 23:29.36 | mike1980 | valdyn: ah ok so my disk speed is ok but my ram speed is king of crap? |
| 23:29.39 | valdyn | mike1980: and obviously cached reads also provides kind of upper limit a disk could have in your system |
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| 23:29.48 | rdz_ | i there a way to sync two filesystems on two different hosts in a local network without using ssh? it seems like ssh is bugging the cpu of the slow machine two much and it takes ages to finish rsync. |
| 23:30.01 | valdyn | mike1980: i dont know, its slow, maybe thats just your system |
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| 23:30.26 | valdyn | mike1980: that speed value is also totally unrelated to your disk |
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| 23:30.54 | mike1980 | valdyn: ah ok thanks I might also try setting ram speeds in the bios not just use auto might help |
| 23:31.52 | mike1980 | or try some other ram |
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| 23:32.22 | valdyn | mike1980: pointless, the benefit should be in the 10% range at most |
| 23:32.50 | Mac121 | hey can you use ubuntu.debs on debian ? |
| 23:32.53 | mike1980 | valdyn: ah maybe need to put more ram in then |
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| 23:34.05 | mike1980 | I have a local server and torrentflux running so Maybe time for some more ram I have 256 now |
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| 23:34.59 | NickMind-XP_BOX | #flood |
| 23:35.04 | Rprp | Does someone know how i can 'mount' a second harddisk to restore data? I got 2 HDD's installed in a server, and its just running from 1 (doh). But i want to restore data from the other disk, how can i mount it? ^.^ |
| 23:35.12 | subsume | What directory are actual apache modules stored in the typical apache debian package? |
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| 23:35.57 | mike1980 | valdyn: I just stoped apache2 but didn't really help |
| 23:36.18 | adama_ | Rprp: find it in /dev then mount it to an empty folder using the mount command |
| 23:36.29 | Mac121 | Rprp, "ls /dev/sd*" without quotes |
| 23:36.37 | Mac121 | yeah use that to find it |
| 23:37.11 | valdyn | mike1980: why would you need more ram? |
| 23:37.14 | Mac121 | then "mount /dev/sd(whatever) /path |
| 23:37.49 | Rprp | Yes, i did that, but it got 2 partitions, one mounted on /boot, and one on / i suppose, i can only mount the one which is mounted on /boot. if i try to mount sdb2 i get this: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, |
| 23:37.57 | NickMind-XP_BOX | Hello all, what is the best program to use for DVD players |
| 23:37.58 | valdyn | mike1980: you have some misconfiguration of your hardware, if that is really a p4 |
| 23:38.24 | mike1980 | valdyn: well i thought Timing cached reads where related to ram and I don't have much ram and my Timing cached read scores are low? |
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| 23:38.38 | valdyn | mike1980: adding ram does not make ram faster |
| 23:38.42 | lex | The power of the penguin compels you! The power of the penguin compels you! The power of the penguin compels you! |
| 23:38.43 | lex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:39.08 | valdyn | lex: windows can directly print to bsd lp or cups |
| 23:39.16 | lex | valdyn: so it says |
| 23:39.18 | valdyn | lex: why go via samba? |
| 23:39.31 | lex | valdyn: I didnt get it to print to lpd... :( |
| 23:39.35 | Mac121 | Rprp, you mounted the partitions from the 2nd disk to /boot & /? |
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| 23:39.42 | lex | valdyn: but your idea makes me want to try harder. |
| 23:39.45 | mike1980 | valdyn: There must be something I can do... Adding faster timimg ram maybe like 400 or 333 I think I might on;y have 266 |
| 23:40.05 | lex | valdyn: and i like going through samba because i already have my printserver in cups and working fine. |
| 23:40.12 | lex | valdyn: didnt wanna have two |
| 23:40.17 | mike1980 | how do grep ram? |
| 23:40.20 | valdyn | mike1980: adding ram will make your system faster if its swapping alot currently |
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| 23:40.43 | lex | mikel1980: cat /proc/kmem | grep thingie |
| 23:40.55 | mike1980 | lex:thanks |
| 23:40.59 | valdyn | mike1980: and i already said that you have *some* misconfiguration, a p4 being that slow should be impossible for all i know |
| 23:41.05 | lex | mike1980: it was a joke.... |
| 23:41.09 | valdyn | mike1980: maybe its really a p3 |
| 23:41.12 | valdyn | mike1980: maybe its really a p2 even |
| 23:41.41 | Rprp | Mac121: no, fdisk -l /dev/sdb shows 1 & 2, 'Linux' and 'Linux LVM'. When i take a look in webmin it says that 'Linux' (1) is not in use and i can mount it, 'Partition label: /boot'. But for some reason i cant mount /dev/sdb2. |
| 23:41.51 | mike1980 | valdyn: How to I grep CPU? |
| 23:42.03 | valdyn | mike1980: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:42.15 | Eulex | mike1980, do you know what grep does? |
| 23:42.19 | lex | as u want, but that aint grepin |
| 23:42.48 | mike1980 | Eulex: I thought it read hardware information I guess I am dumb LOL |
| 23:43.21 | Eulex | mike1980, grep reads through files or text and searches for text that matches a regular expression. |
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| 23:43.50 | Mac121 | Rprp, sorry not sure then |
| 23:43.54 | Rprp | hmm k :( |
| 23:44.17 | mike1980 | valdyn: I can post my cpu information in flood if you want to look at it |
| 23:44.26 | valdyn | mike1980: not really |
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| 23:45.34 | mike1980 | valdyn: model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.60GHz |
| 23:45.56 | valdyn | mike1980: thats a p4 celeron |
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| 23:46.53 | mike1980 | valdyn: yes so I have something screwed up for my numbers to be that low I guess |
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| 23:47.27 | valdyn | mike1980: probably |
| 23:47.30 | draginxx | Anyone know why a script is doing this? automake: cherokee/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `getopt/gettext.h' is in subdirectory |
| 23:48.00 | Eulex | mike1980, just for comparison, I tested a pmmx 200mhz server I have running, and it gets Timing cached reads: 98 MB in 2.03 seconds = 48.37 MB/sec |
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| 23:48.39 | valdyn | my p3 M thinkpad is ~ 400MB/sec cached reads |
| 23:48.59 | mike1980 | Eulex: ya something up with mine for sure then |
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| 23:49.23 | Eulex | mike1980, yeah. my core 2 duo laptop does 1gb/s cached reads |
| 23:49.24 | valdyn | the celeron is probably really slower than the p3M but not that slow |
| 23:49.40 | valdyn | Eulex: why that slow? |
| 23:49.45 | valdyn | Eulex: mobile version? |
| 23:49.52 | Eulex | valdyn, yep. |
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| 23:51.10 | Eulex | a Merom core |
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| 23:52.03 | valdyn | and game consoles do 30GB sec ( bits or byte i dont really know ).. |
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| 23:52.46 | Eulex | valdyn, I wouldn't assume that the cached reads test is a terribly good benchmark for memory speed, I believe I saw 3gb/s in memtest86 |
| 23:52.55 | valdyn | nm, more like 256GB/sec |
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| 23:53.12 | mike1980 | Well thanks for your help guys I am going to go in the bios and make sure my ram is not set to a lower speed by defualt and try some other ram and do memtest86 |
| 23:53.25 | valdyn | Eulex: maybe, just matches on this system |
| 23:53.31 | Eulex | valdyn, ok |
| 23:54.07 | Eulex | oh wait |
| 23:54.11 | karsten | Is there any way to determine which NIC (physical), or at the very least, what driver, is associated with an interface? |
| 23:54.15 | mike1980 | me? |
| 23:54.19 | draginxx | Anyone know why a script is doing this? automake: cherokee/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `getopt/gettext.h' is in subdirectory |
| 23:54.22 | Eulex | nah, not you |
| 23:54.27 | mike1980 | lol ok |
| 23:54.28 | Eulex | I have firefox hogging 50% of the cpu in the background |
| 23:54.32 | valdyn | karsten: sys privedes all kinds of access paths |
| 23:54.43 | valdyn | karsten: by pci id for instance |
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| 23:55.14 | karsten | We're having frequent reboot issues associated with a NIC driver (forcedeth - NVidia nforce NIC). |
| 23:55.23 | karsten | valdyn: Hrm. |
| 23:55.52 | karsten | valdyn: ethtool wouldn't do that then (I'm trying to work out 'zactly what ethtool does other than modifyy various NIC parameters). |
| 23:56.10 | flower | just installed lenny in vbox but I can't login as normal user, as root I can... |
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| 23:56.59 | karsten | flower: rm /etc/nol |
| 23:57.01 | valdyn | karsten: or by iface name |
| 23:57.04 | karsten | flower: /etc/nologin |
| 23:57.16 | karsten | valdyn: Searching. |
| 23:57.28 | valdyn | karsten: /sys/class/net/ |
| 23:57.59 | Sweetandy | I think that the newest kernel update overrode my own firmware for my wireless card |
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| 23:58.15 | Sweetandy | can I fix this? |
| 23:58.25 | flower | karsten: serious? is this a known problem? |
| 23:58.52 | valdyn | karsten: ethtool must be using an ioctl? |
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| 23:59.12 | valdyn | ioctl(3, SIOCETHTOOL, 0x7fffe8ca82e0) |
| 23:59.14 | karsten | flower: /etc/nologin prevents login by unprivileged users. Of you do a chroot install it's often not removed. Checking for that and removing it is one way to work around the problem. Usually also means your instalation didn't complete if you *didn't* do a chroot install. |
| 23:59.23 | karsten | valdyn: I don't know. I don't know ethtool. |
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| 23:59.42 | karsten | valdyn: /sys/class/net/<device>/device itself is a symlink to a PCI device. |
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| 23:59.58 | zzattack | hi, I use my debian pc for ip masquerading but it has a major flaw: when I boot, just before the desktop environment is loaded the internet sharing works great, then a few seconds later the internet goes down; only ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 resolves this |