| 00:00.08 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 00:00.08 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 00:00.11 | llimeht | frog_: failing that, you'll have to write a script that build up the diffs of only the files you want |
| 00:00.21 | stoned | I have not played guitar all day. I'm going to invest a few hours into it right now. I'm watching the screen here and there, if you need me, hilight me. *AFK* |
| 00:00.50 | Mimi | Hey all... I'm wondering... I want to have most recent software versions, so I guess I want "unstable" version of debian. But I'm wondering, how unstable is it? :P It is so bad that it's unusable? |
| 00:00.52 | |unjustice| | any ideas anyone? |
| 00:01.08 | |unjustice| | screen resolution is all screwy too |
| 00:01.15 | |unjustice| | cannot adjust it, I get logged off |
| 00:01.17 | frog_ | llimeht: i see... |
| 00:01.21 | |unjustice| | takes 10 minutes to get back on |
| 00:01.31 | llimeht | |unjustice|: what's the machine doing during this time? |
| 00:01.45 | |unjustice| | it is running the background to KDE |
| 00:01.50 | |unjustice| | I assume it is |
| 00:01.56 | frog_ | llimeht: or compile the other uclinux ;) |
| 00:02.06 | |unjustice| | checking the filesystem |
| 00:02.14 | |unjustice| | but there is no text display |
| 00:02.15 | llimeht | |unjustice|: don't assume... find out. Look in top or similar as stoned suggested. |
| 00:02.26 | |unjustice| | top? |
| 00:02.28 | llimeht | frog_: the binaries will still differ |
| 00:02.31 | |unjustice| | cd / top? |
| 00:02.39 | |unjustice| | where is it? |
| 00:02.54 | *** part/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 00:02.54 | frog_ | llimeht: oh, ok. yeah... stupid /me |
| 00:03.03 | |unjustice| | oh |
| 00:03.04 | |unjustice| | okay |
| 00:03.45 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@94-193-219-215.zone7.bethere.co.uk) |
| 00:04.18 | |unjustice| | 113 tasks, 0.1% of cpu(s) |
| 00:04.19 | |unjustice| | 185272K memory used |
| 00:04.21 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=nyhc@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 00:04.40 | |unjustice| | I could pastebin this, but I really do not want to instill a crash via irc/internet browser |
| 00:04.47 | |unjustice| | I am on a different comp right now |
| 00:05.13 | |unjustice| | xorg keeps appearing and disappearing at the top of the list |
| 00:06.02 | |unjustice| | llimeht: anything I should be looking for in "top"? |
| 00:06.23 | *** join/#debian sohail (n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail) |
| 00:06.27 | llimeht | |unjustice|: you need to be looking at it while this 10minute login is going on. |
| 00:06.40 | *** join/#debian man_in_shack (n=shack@87.65.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) |
| 00:06.43 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 00:06.46 | |unjustice| | I cannot load a terminal during that period |
| 00:06.51 | |unjustice| | it is totally non-responsive |
| 00:07.02 | sohail | hi, for a binary debian package, how can I say that a package supports multiple architectures (in this case, i386 i686 ia64 amd64) |
| 00:07.06 | |unjustice| | all I can do is bring it back to the login screen or restart |
| 00:07.08 | man_in_shack | is there any simple way of determining whether dpkg-buildpackage -Zlzma works? |
| 00:07.26 | sohail | man_in_shack, what would "it works" mean? |
| 00:07.35 | llimeht | |unjustice|: you can look at it in another virtual terminal (e.g. press Ctrl+Alt+F1) or log in to the machine via ssh and run top in an ssh session |
| 00:07.44 | man_in_shack | sohail, package is compressed with lzma and not gz algorithm |
| 00:07.49 | |unjustice| | llimeht: okay |
| 00:08.14 | sohail | man_in_shack, decompress it using lmza? |
| 00:08.18 | *** join/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 00:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 894] by debhelper |
| 00:09.12 | *** part/#debian Mimi (n=ubuntuzo@cpe-72-224-194-177.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 00:09.22 | man_in_shack | sohail, doesn't work, because the header is for .deb files, not for <insert compression format here> |
| 00:10.03 | *** join/#debian SzArAk (i=szarak@maluch.pcz.pl) |
| 00:10.07 | SzArAk | hi |
| 00:10.13 | llimeht | man_in_shack: so you want to know whether this will work or whether it did work? |
| 00:10.28 | *** join/#debian craigevil-eee (n=chatzill@adsl-76-249-24-236.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:11.07 | *** join/#debian xota (n=xota@79.109.50.17.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 00:11.08 | sohail | man_in_shack, I know just about <--> that much about deb packages |
| 00:11.27 | *** join/#debian engla (n=ulrik@p57B0A22A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:12.07 | man_in_shack | llimeht, whether it did work |
| 00:12.19 | *** join/#debian samplr (n=samplr@user-64-9-236-71.googlewifi.com) |
| 00:13.10 | sohail | so no one knows about the debian package + architecture thing? |
| 00:13.10 | llimeht | man_in_shack: check the exit code of the process then. If $? is non-zero then it was unhappy. |
| 00:13.39 | man_in_shack | llimeht, well, the package is built, but i'm not convinced that it's been compressed with lzma |
| 00:13.47 | NickMind-XP_BOX | For APT, what do you use? GUI? CLI? if so, what command or app do you use the most? |
| 00:13.50 | man_in_shack | my guess is that it's fallen back to gz for whatever reason |
| 00:13.52 | sohail | according to this http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture it says use space separated entries |
| 00:13.58 | sohail | man_in_shack, is there a verbose mode |
| 00:13.59 | man_in_shack | NickMind-XP_BOX, i like aptitude |
| 00:14.48 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl5-52-7.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 00:15.14 | llimeht | man_in_shack: ahh. Well look at what has happened to the .diff and tarball. Use file on them to see what compression they have if it's not obvious from their extension. |
| 00:15.26 | *** join/#debian el_guillermo (n=ripster@cpe-98-150-52-240.bak.res.rr.com) |
| 00:15.37 | man_in_shack | llimeht, that doesn't tell me how the .deb has been compressed |
| 00:16.13 | *** join/#debian moocow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 00:16.16 | man_in_shack | hmm, hang on |
| 00:16.19 | *** join/#debian LightKnight (n=gabry@adsl-ull-95-48.49-151.net24.it) |
| 00:16.21 | llimeht | man_in_shack: that option doesn't change how the .deb is compressed |
| 00:16.27 | man_in_shack | dpkg-buildpackage only passes -Z to dpkg-source? |
| 00:16.33 | llimeht | correct |
| 00:16.41 | man_in_shack | even though dpkg-deb also supports -Z |
| 00:17.02 | llimeht | it does? |
| 00:17.08 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 00:17.28 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 00:17.54 | llimeht | ohh.. that's new |
| 00:18.27 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 00:18.29 | Gm4n | if I want to make a mess of my hard drive, could i just cat /dev/random to /dev/sda, or something? |
| 00:18.57 | man_in_shack | ok, i can pass it to dpkg-deb via dh_builddep by modifying debian/rules |
| 00:18.59 | man_in_shack | that's not too bad |
| 00:19.50 | *** join/#debian scott_ (n=scott@cpe-75-83-19-98.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:19.51 | *** join/#debian aindilis (n=aindilis@75.146.96.198) |
| 00:19.52 | *** join/#debian andrew[a^ (n=andrew-f@mail.ahbit.net) |
| 00:20.28 | *** join/#debian jpinx (n=user@203-97-49-8.dsl.clear.net.nz) |
| 00:22.38 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) |
| 00:22.44 | SzArAk | Gm4n: sure, but it will really make it a mess. besides why not using dd? dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda or sth similiar. |
| 00:23.00 | Gm4n | hmm, ok |
| 00:23.12 | Gm4n | I've never really understood what dd is for |
| 00:23.18 | Gm4n | vs cat |
| 00:23.32 | SzArAk | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda bs=1M |
| 00:23.55 | \amethyst | Gm4n: it lets you set the block size, do conversions, and seek in the input and output |
| 00:23.59 | \amethyst | in this case, probably nothing |
| 00:24.03 | *** join/#debian binrapt_ (i=binrapt@unaffiliated/binrapt) |
| 00:24.15 | Gm4n | block size in this case just = how much data will be written, correct? |
| 00:24.18 | \amethyst | however, I doubt you're going to get enough bytes from /dev/random to do anything useful |
| 00:24.26 | \amethyst | Gm4n: how much will be read/written at a time |
| 00:24.32 | Gm4n | aha |
| 00:24.37 | Gm4n | I'll use /dev/zero then |
| 00:25.01 | SzArAk | Gm4n: or /dev/urandom if you like. |
| 00:25.13 | Gm4n | mans dev |
| 00:25.46 | SzArAk | but afaik zero will consume less resources, am i right? |
| 00:25.53 | Gm4n | ooh, cool :) |
| 00:25.57 | Gm4n | urandom is cool |
| 00:26.08 | \amethyst | yes, /dev/urandom will consume entropy |
| 00:26.21 | Gm4n | but it will work even when there isn't enough entropy available |
| 00:26.26 | avu | it does |
| 00:26.28 | \amethyst | you'll probably deplete the entropy pool then it will become a PRNG |
| 00:26.36 | Gm4n | that's plenty good for me |
| 00:26.45 | Gm4n | I'm just wiping a disk I'm getting rid of |
| 00:27.17 | *** join/#debian aoliveira (n=konversa@20151068059.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 00:27.38 | SzArAk | or you could use wipe. apt-cache show wipe. |
| 00:27.45 | \amethyst | Gm4n: 'wipe' and 'shred' both do this, with many options |
| 00:28.16 | SzArAk | that should be a perfect tool in your case, i think |
| 00:28.27 | aindilis | hello. I have "xterm*metaSendsEscape: true", but alt does nothing in uxterm or xterm, but works fine in rxvt. |
| 00:28.56 | aindilis | I recently did an apt-get dist-upgrade and fear that the keymap is screwed up - is there a way to reset it to the dist standard? |
| 00:29.20 | aindilis | showkeys yields 0x38 on pressing the alt key, even in the xterm |
| 00:30.15 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 00:30.15 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 00:30.15 | *** join/#debian ulrik (n=ulrik@dslb-088-066-001-139.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:30.36 | Gm4n | wipe -kq /dev/sda should do it, then? :) |
| 00:31.31 | \amethyst | Gm4n: or -kq -Q1 if you're not paranoid :) |
| 00:31.36 | *** join/#debian tobias_ (n=tobias@user-0ce2hu8.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 00:31.50 | Gm4n | well, there's probably not even enough time for a full pass anyway |
| 00:31.56 | Tenkawa | is there a 2.6.27 kernel package in debian-svn yet? |
| 00:32.13 | Tenkawa | I need to test the r8169 module from 27 or 28 |
| 00:32.21 | *** join/#debian binrapt` (i=binrapt@e180067166.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:33.50 | man_in_shack | ok, i THINK dh_builddeb has passed the flags correctly |
| 00:34.09 | man_in_shack | ooh yeay, ps -ef shows dpkg-deb with the correct flags :D |
| 00:35.08 | llimeht | heh |
| 00:36.27 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 00:38.30 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.194.85) |
| 00:39.31 | *** join/#debian seeds (n=kyddus@ool-182e20f1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:40.03 | *** join/#debian Royall (n=Royall@pool-173-68-115-12.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:40.16 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@student-213-36.sunyit.edu) |
| 00:40.23 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 00:42.20 | *** part/#debian Royall (n=Royall@pool-173-68-115-12.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 00:42.36 | *** join/#debian octoserver (n=octoserv@71-15-86-222.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) |
| 00:43.38 | *** join/#debian _adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:44.14 | jusefina_ | hello? |
| 00:44.27 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 00:44.32 | man_in_shack | ! |
| 00:44.32 | _adrenaline | Hey people that are using debian as a server. Do you upgrade when new releases come or do you keep your servers what you installed them as? |
| 00:44.52 | dondelelcaro | _adrenaline: upgrade a reasonable time after a new release comes out |
| 00:44.54 | man_in_shack | _adrenaline, in general, if it works, don't fix it |
| 00:44.54 | *** join/#debian unbalanced (n=unbalanc@bas1-barrie18-1242466549.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:45.02 | *** part/#debian chihau (n=chihau@189-217-223-201.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 00:45.15 | dondelelcaro | _adrenaline: after having tested transition in a testing harness |
| 00:45.29 | |unjustice| | is there a command to see your ip address? |
| 00:45.36 | dondelelcaro | !what is my ip |
| 00:45.36 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 00:45.41 | _adrenaline | That is what I think. I am still using centos 4.3 but now it is at 5.3 I have a failing hardrive and I have to reinstall so I think this time I want debian |
| 00:46.17 | man_in_shack | it's probably a good idea to keep relatively up-to-date with stable |
| 00:46.35 | dondelelcaro | the main reason why you eventually have to upgrade is that we don't provide security support for old stable forever |
| 00:46.48 | man_in_shack | but yeah, when a new testing goes stable, you'll still want to test it thoroughly before putting it into a production environment |
| 00:46.54 | *** part/#debian Tenkawa (n=Tenkawa@unaffiliated/tenkawa) |
| 00:47.15 | *** join/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 00:47.17 | _adrenaline | man_in_shack, I will do security and package upgrades but I just really meant distro releases that I really don't want to upgrade |
| 00:47.18 | dondelelcaro | (but you almost always have a year or so to plan your transition, and transition) |
| 00:47.34 | *** join/#debian samplr (n=samplr@user-64-9-236-71.googlewifi.com) |
| 00:47.37 | dondelelcaro | _adrenaline: Debian is probably unlike any distribution you've ever used; it's designed to be easily upgradeable |
| 00:47.38 | _adrenaline | dondelelcaro, that is good to know |
| 00:47.47 | man_in_shack | _adrenaline, you may find that the new stable has features or security that you'd find useful :) |
| 00:47.52 | _adrenaline | That is great |
| 00:48.08 | *** part/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 00:48.12 | *** join/#debian craigevil-eee_ (n=chatzill@adsl-76-249-24-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:48.15 | man_in_shack | in which case, you'd want to upgrade |
| 00:48.17 | _adrenaline | I am actually going to install the testing because it is in a freeze and will be released as stable soon |
| 00:48.33 | dondelelcaro | if this is a production machine, install stable. |
| 00:48.47 | _adrenaline | It is prod but it is a personal media server |
| 00:48.56 | _adrenaline | it is really a gateway from work |
| 00:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 887] by debhelper |
| 00:49.03 | _adrenaline | using nx server |
| 00:49.06 | *** join/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 00:49.17 | man_in_shack | _adrenaline, in that case, you can specifically install lenny. that way, when lenny goes stable, you won't be stuck on the new testing |
| 00:59.05 | *** join/#debian apt (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 00:59.05 | *** topic/#debian is 4.0r6 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg lenny status | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:59.41 | *** join/#debian slon (i=slon@213.211.33.154) |
| 01:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 01:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 01:00.32 | *** join/#debian hercynium (n=hercyniu@c-98-216-53-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:00.52 | amitz | NickMind-XP_BOX: if IRC works the same way with 15 years ago, there was a disconnection between 2 servers serving the same IRC server. |
| 01:01.17 | *** join/#debian wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:01.19 | *** join/#debian dondelelcaro (n=don@rzlab3.ucr.edu) |
| 01:01.19 | *** join/#debian DeathWolf (i=yggdrasi@saber.kawaii-shoujo.net) |
| 01:01.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:01.31 | *** mode/#debian [-J] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:01.34 | *** mode/#debian [-l] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:01.37 | *** join/#debian TTT_Travis (n=Travis@cle-bb-cable2-ws-85.dsl.airstreamcomm.net) |
| 01:01.38 | *** join/#debian nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl224-238.kln.forthnet.gr) |
| 01:01.45 | TTT_Travis | Hi, I have a lab full of debian computers, I want to use DSH to send a ssh command to all of them, this works fine but it prompts me for the password 20 times? even though it's the same password |
| 01:01.55 | *** join/#debian Soilay (n=KineticB@203-59-94-206.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:01.59 | NickMind-XP_BOX | amitz: ? you lost me |
| 01:01.59 | dondelelcaro | TTT_Travis: use ssh keys |
| 01:02.16 | TTT_Travis | dondelelcaro how would I got about getting them for all 20 machines? |
| 01:02.29 | TTT_Travis | since I assume they're different even though the password is the same? |
| 01:02.47 | *** part/#debian blake2 (i=blake@c-68-51-113-246.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 01:02.49 | Rhyrk | TTT_Travis, login keys, not machine keys |
| 01:03.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell TTT_Travis -about ssh without password |
| 01:03.35 | *** join/#debian dsevil (i=dse@crow.webonastick.com) |
| 01:03.42 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 01:04.19 | *** join/#debian nocti (n=nocti@124.6.184.99) |
| 01:04.31 | *** join/#debian JPT (n=JPT@star-sim.de) |
| 01:04.38 | *** join/#debian loesh (n=loesh@c-5f1ce555.026-72-73746f3.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 01:04.44 | *** join/#debian craigevil-eee (n=chatzill@76.249.24.149) |
| 01:04.46 | *** join/#debian Sipingal (n=Sipingal@apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp) |
| 01:06.35 | *** join/#debian hatter243 (n=jshoenbe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com) |
| 01:06.50 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@host16.190-136-29.telecom.net.ar) |
| 01:06.51 | *** join/#debian primesoft (n=primesof@121.98.170.110) |
| 01:06.56 | *** part/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 01:07.04 | *** join/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 01:07.15 | *** join/#debian nuncanada (n=nuncanad@189.27.32.11) |
| 01:07.18 | *** join/#debian jkdsoft (n=JKD@69.85-87-85.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) |
| 01:07.26 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.194.85) |
| 01:07.31 | *** join/#debian Yvonne (n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne) |
| 01:07.36 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 01:07.36 | *** join/#debian neiljp (n=Neil@i-83-67-78-67.freedom2surf.net) |
| 01:07.37 | *** join/#debian bolt (n=r00t@cE797BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 01:07.49 | *** join/#debian mmirko (n=mmirko@devel.fisica.unipg.it) |
| 01:08.00 | *** part/#debian man_in_shack (n=shack@87.65.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) |
| 01:08.02 | *** join/#debian GhostOfSparta (n=konversa@20151068059.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 01:08.07 | *** join/#debian bbelt16ag (n=erin@223.218.101.97.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 01:08.36 | rdz_ | excuse the probably stupid question, but do i need portmap/nfs/rpc? can i easily disable it, if i don't consciously need it? |
| 01:08.45 | *** join/#debian Federico2 (n=Fede@193.200.193.239) |
| 01:08.49 | rdz_ | or is it recommended to leave it running? |
| 01:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 841] by debhelper |
| 01:09.17 | *** join/#debian Flexa (n=JesusAug@189.81.177.131) |
| 01:09.47 | *** join/#debian [biabia] (n=b@ppp-69-216-143-162.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) |
| 01:09.48 | Nameeater | rdz_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-rpc |
| 01:10.36 | *** join/#debian frankS2 (n=frank@ti500720a080-8467.bb.online.no) |
| 01:10.43 | *** join/#debian TTimo (n=timo@styx.idsoftware.com) |
| 01:11.10 | rdz_ | Nameeater, oh.. that is what i actually need. many thanks! |
| 01:11.14 | *** part/#debian codeblue_ (n=codeblue@5acb4356.bb.sky.com) |
| 01:11.54 | *** join/#debian vinc456 (n=user@unaffiliated/vinc456) |
| 01:12.00 | TTimo | hey .. I'm trying to understand how the /etc/exim4/ tree is setup under debian .. all those templates make my eyes bleed. I've been using dpkg-reconfig exim4-config, but I'm hitting some fine tuning that requires enabling/disabling some stuff, for instance MAIN_FORCE_SENDER in 02_exim4-config_options |
| 01:12.04 | TTimo | anyone know how that works? |
| 01:13.01 | TTT_Travis | dondelelcaro if I use the keys I notice it puts the hostname of the server at the end of the key, if I connect with the IP it still asks for the password? |
| 01:13.44 | *** join/#debian eak (n=eak@78.160.53.0) |
| 01:13.55 | ukatan | so, #debian, I have a question for you. |
| 01:14.15 | *** join/#debian click170 (n=Click@d75-156-32-96.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:14.18 | ukatan | I run debian testing. when lenny (finally) releases, how can I continue to use testing? |
| 01:14.34 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@cnat023.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk) |
| 01:14.49 | ukatan | should I just change the 'lenny's in my sources.list to whatever the new release name is and just continue along my merry way? |
| 01:14.55 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=Bob@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:15.03 | amphi | ukatan: or leave 'testing' in there |
| 01:15.21 | ukatan | some mean repo maintainers insist on using badly named directory trees though :( |
| 01:15.29 | ukatan | no debian ones, of course :) |
| 01:15.42 | ukatan | I'm asking for more general advice |
| 01:16.48 | *** join/#debian lunar-raven (n=lunar-ra@97-126-15-112.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 01:16.50 | *** join/#debian sam2008 (n=user@60.247.116.29) |
| 01:16.55 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-71-89.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:17.01 | lunar-raven | I'm having trouble compiling my video card driver. It is integrated video..some sort of intel. I got the right driver for it..but when I try, I get the error "The DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules. Installation will be aborted. See the dri.log file for information on what went wrong." |
| 01:17.05 | lunar-raven | could anyone possibly help me? :P |
| 01:18.00 | dmoerner | lunar-raven: you shouldn't have to compile any intel drivers |
| 01:18.10 | dmoerner | what is the exact chipset and what version of debian are you running |
| 01:19.10 | craigevil-eee | aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel should work , at least it will if your running lenny or sid |
| 01:19.15 | *** join/#debian seeds_ (n=kyddus@ool-182e20f1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:19.44 | lunar-raven | dmoerner: well I'm actually running kubuntu =x..but the kubuntu room is dead. It's an intel 82865G integrated graphics controller..so it says |
| 01:20.17 | dmoerner | if kubuntu is dead try #ubuntu. we cannot support any such derivative in here |
| 01:20.18 | *** join/#debian hercynium (n=hercyniu@c-98-216-53-107.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:20.28 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 01:20.46 | lunar-raven | Figured as much. Thanks though |
| 01:21.09 | *** join/#debian aku_ (n=fred@6.142-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 01:21.33 | lunar-raven | Actually, that aptitude command worked..even on kubuntu, so I'll see if that did it |
| 01:24.07 | akuu | Hi guys, I just installed debian testing and i have a very annoying bug : It seems like the system sheduler is completely broken, as soon as an application wakes up, every other hangs for 100msec, even if the CPU is completely free. |
| 01:24.12 | *** part/#debian TTimo (n=timo@styx.idsoftware.com) |
| 01:24.16 | *** join/#debian spathi (n=spathi@c-67-174-17-248.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:24.37 | akuu | It's on a thinkpad x60 (intel centrino dual core) |
| 01:24.51 | akuu | anybody has an idea what to do ? |
| 01:25.21 | *** part/#debian sohail (n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail) |
| 01:25.34 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 01:25.57 | *** join/#debian lanthan_ (n=ze@149.205.212.219) |
| 01:27.11 | *** join/#debian tbrock (n=tbrock@cpe-69-203-15-12.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:28.37 | *** join/#debian lexie21f (i=zeliga@41.236.14.144) |
| 01:30.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 01:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 01:31.28 | *** join/#debian thomas_ (n=thomas@pool-72-71-67-225.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 01:34.32 | *** join/#debian azeem-un1 (n=mbanck@pD9E1F213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:34.42 | *** join/#debian azeem_ (n=mbanck@pD9E1F213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:34.50 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 01:38.04 | Soilay | Hey guys, I'm trying to boot into a relatively new install (3 days) of debian, but it's getting to GRUB and giving me "Error 2" and freezing? |
| 01:38.54 | enouf | !grub errors |
| 01:38.54 | dpkg | grub.errors is probably grub error X? go to http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Troubleshooting.html#Troubleshooting to find out what it means |
| 01:42.35 | *** join/#debian xota (n=xota@79.109.50.17.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 01:43.06 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 01:43.12 | *** join/#debian aindilis (n=aindilis@75.146.96.198) |
| 01:44.05 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[away] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-34-106.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:45.10 | *** join/#debian lagann_ (n=gnome@c-24-61-116-81.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:45.35 | *** join/#debian betz (n=betz@d54C27006.access.telenet.be) |
| 01:46.37 | *** join/#debian salvo (n=salvo@78.15.16.158) |
| 01:47.10 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-50-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:49.05 | |unjustice| | I cannot seem to restart Lenny? :( |
| 01:50.28 | *** join/#debian v4nelle (n=van@adsl24-101.lsf.forthnet.gr) |
| 01:50.42 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 01:51.52 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 01:53.35 | *** join/#debian pablolibo (n=pablolib@200-127-171-1.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 01:53.53 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student166-178.hampshire.edu) |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | cannot seem to restart ? |
| 01:54.37 | *** join/#debian acu_rodna (i=ida01@71.32.132.65) |
| 01:54.48 | |unjustice| | Hi, how do you reload the GUI after pressing ctrl+alt+f1 at startup? |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 01:55.07 | |unjustice| | I am stuck in command line, want to check something that compiled |
| 01:55.10 | |unjustice| | thanks |
| 01:55.15 | *** join/#debian fxcp_ (n=ctp@brsg-d9befdb7.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 01:55.49 | acu_rodna | hey guys I need to access and write to an 1.5 TB external HD formated with NTFS - I have etch but it seem that even if I enable the backports NTFS-3G needs some lib6 which is not the write version etc - can anyone sugest what to do ? |
| 01:56.19 | |unjustice| | acu_rodna: why don't you use ext2/3..? |
| 01:56.31 | *** join/#debian Niamor7 (n=niamor59@ALille-258-1-91-202.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:56.31 | |unjustice| | acu_rodna: why does it have to be NTFS? |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | acu_rodna: ignore it, it still works |
| 01:57.23 | |unjustice| | so, I just installed Lenny/KDE on an AMD Athlon quad core 64bit processor 4g of RAM, but it takes 10min to load KDE after I enter my password |
| 01:57.25 | *** join/#debian Vanessaa (i=oansyo@41.236.13.237) |
| 01:57.26 | |unjustice| | any ideas? |
| 01:58.10 | acu_rodna | libfuse2 (>=2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed that's the message from synaptic |
| 01:58.22 | craigevil-eee | use aptitude |
| 01:58.35 | *** join/#debian markw (n=markw@ip98-176-9-107.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | |unjustice|: not enough RAM? :) |
| 01:58.55 | *** join/#debian DanDare (n=DanDare@200.164.153.159) |
| 01:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 835] by debhelper |
| 01:59.03 | |unjustice| | abrotman: lol |
| 01:59.07 | |unjustice| | that must be it |
| 01:59.18 | |unjustice| | I will get 8g next time |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | |unjustice|: look for an error file like .xsession-errors |
| 01:59.34 | |unjustice| | wait...it says 636.817381 hd-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPI B read method in stead |
| 01:59.59 | *** join/#debian Spudster (n=Spudster@173-22-52-204.client.mchsi.com) |
| 02:00.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 02:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 02:00.21 | craigevil-eee | wow i knew i was doing something wrong only using 1gb of ram and booting in 20seconds on my eee |
| 02:00.30 | Spudster | Hello Debian folks, anyone know where I can set a .bashrc file for www-data? |
| 02:00.34 | |unjustice| | well |
| 02:00.41 | |unjustice| | I would like to boot in that much time |
| 02:01.02 | abrotman | Spudster: does www-data login ? |
| 02:01.16 | *** join/#debian Yvonne_ (n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne) |
| 02:01.25 | |unjustice| | I tried top |
| 02:01.31 | Spudster | abrotman: No, I am running a small process from a php script, and need to set an export value |
| 02:01.33 | |unjustice| | and everything is at 0 |
| 02:01.39 | *** join/#debian Theoden (n=Theoden_@c-67-188-51-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:01.46 | |unjustice| | except |
| 02:01.56 | |unjustice| | PID USER 1 root |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | Spudster: give some more details |
| 02:02.38 | jpinx | craigevil-eee: what's the record for booting an eeepc? Mine is about 20 seconds too booting lenny and xfce |
| 02:02.56 | Spudster | abrotman: I'm running an exec command from within php (Running on apache as www-data), but I need to set an environment variable before the script executes. |
| 02:03.43 | |unjustice| | only running two tasks...why is taking so freaking long |
| 02:03.45 | |unjustice| | ? |
| 02:03.47 | abrotman | Spudster: FOO=BAR command ? |
| 02:03.54 | craigevil-eee | jpinx: there is a article about 14 seconds |
| 02:04.12 | Spudster | abrotman: normally I could just set the (export DRQUEUE_MASTER=10.0.0.1) but its not working if I add it to /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | it won't |
| 02:04.56 | jpinx | craigevil-eee: wow - that's getting to be like a mobile phone ;) |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | try it like exec("DRQUEUE_MASTER=10.0.0.1 foo_command"); |
| 02:04.58 | *** join/#debian kkkyle (i=kkkyle@dialup-4.224.207.246.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 02:05.01 | *** part/#debian kkkyle (i=kkkyle@dialup-4.224.207.246.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 02:05.08 | Spudster | I'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 02:05.20 | abrotman | Spudster: otherwise, maybe /etc/environment |
| 02:05.26 | *** join/#debian compgrokker (n=vikki@209.188.60.54) |
| 02:05.30 | *** join/#debian frankS2 (n=frank@ti500720a080-8467.bb.online.no) |
| 02:05.30 | *** join/#debian maurizio (n=maurizio@ANice-151-1-70-122.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 02:05.40 | Spudster | abrotman: ok I'll check that too, thanks for the tips |
| 02:06.01 | |unjustice| | whoa |
| 02:06.08 | |unjustice| | now my color is completely out of whack |
| 02:06.26 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 02:06.31 | *** join/#debian MrIx1 (n=tiger@200-122-1-122.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 02:07.53 | *** join/#debian Sipingal (n=Sipingal@apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp) |
| 02:08.06 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@rrcs-76-79-179-87.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 02:10.20 | *** join/#debian izibi_ (n=izibi@nrbg-4dbe12ff.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 02:10.43 | |unjustice| | okay, so anybody know what would cause a bunch of green fuzzy gradients all over the display, and force logout everytime resolution is adjusted (and also not fix it)? |
| 02:10.47 | |unjustice| | video card? |
| 02:11.07 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@cpe-74-68-125-223.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 02:12.09 | *** join/#debian killown (n=Yamato@unaffiliated/killown) |
| 02:12.24 | *** join/#debian samplr (n=samplr@user-64-9-236-71.googlewifi.com) |
| 02:14.21 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 02:15.44 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@rrcs-76-79-179-87.west.biz.rr.com) |
| 02:15.49 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 02:17.27 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-66-29-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | |unjustice|: bad hardware? driver problem? bad settings? |
| 02:19.11 | |unjustice| | abrotman: hardware checked out in the BIOS |
| 02:19.26 | |unjustice| | abrotman: I can run flash, but picture is all green and fuzzy |
| 02:19.43 | dupa_ | Konfigurowanie zope2.10 (2.10.6-1) ... |
| 02:19.43 | dupa_ | Zope2.10: no instances found.. |
| 02:19.44 | dupa_ | :s |
| 02:19.47 | dupa_ | what is that? |
| 02:20.30 | |unjustice| | it recognizes video card |
| 02:20.38 | |unjustice| | maybe needs drivers... |
| 02:20.42 | akuu | is there a repository with precompiled 2.6.28 kernels for debian lenny ? |
| 02:21.07 | *** join/#debian salvo (n=salvo@78.15.16.158) |
| 02:21.27 | abrotman | |unjustice|: wi thought it was everywhere |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | akuu: no |
| 02:22.14 | |unjustice| | abrotman: it is more subtle elsewhere, but I think the desktop is muddled with green also |
| 02:22.29 | akuu | so everybody recompiles it on his own ? not really efficient :( |
| 02:22.33 | |unjustice| | abrotman: just pain that my resolution is so off...it's hard to see icones etc. |
| 02:22.36 | *** join/#debian werdan7 (n=w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | so fix it |
| 02:23.02 | *** join/#debian nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 02:23.03 | |unjustice| | abrotman: I get logged off |
| 02:23.08 | |unjustice| | then cannot log back in |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | try using the vesa driver |
| 02:23.38 | abrotman | akuu: lenny is going to release with the .26 kernel, i'm sure eventually there will be a backport at backports.org |
| 02:24.04 | *** join/#debian youngpro (n=proleone@ppp121-45-69-101.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 02:24.29 | dupa_ | http://wklej.org/id/42803/ |
| 02:24.30 | dupa_ | know? |
| 02:24.34 | youngpro | anyone know application i can use to capture and replay irda signals.. im looking to control my air conditioner via asterisk ivr |
| 02:24.35 | dupa_ | how fix? |
| 02:24.48 | |unjustice| | abrotman: it might be because I put an ATI Radeon 600 series graphics card in...source code was released a couple of weeks ago |
| 02:25.20 | |unjustice| | abrotman: can vesa work it, or do I need proprietary drivers until source code turns into drivers |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | just try vesa .. |
| 02:26.16 | akuu | abrotman > ok, thank you, i'll try to compile one for myself :) |
| 02:26.29 | *** join/#debian inBetwee- (n=inBetwee@unaffiliated/inbetween) |
| 02:26.31 | abrotman | !tell akuu about kp |
| 02:26.46 | *** join/#debian moot (n=boot@203-158-41-180.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:26.58 | *** join/#debian floyin_64 (n=floyin@c-76-120-186-220.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:27.34 | akuu | abrotman > about what ? |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | akuu: see what the bot told you |
| 02:28.24 | *** join/#debian eak (n=eak@78.160.53.0) |
| 02:28.54 | akuu | ooh, nice :) |
| 02:29.25 | dupa_ | help me |
| 02:29.27 | dupa_ | http://wklej.org/id/42803/ |
| 02:29.28 | dupa_ | :( |
| 02:30.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 02:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 02:31.08 | floyin_64 | is there much of a difference running 32 bit lenny instead of 64 bit? I seem to be having problems with certain things |
| 02:31.55 | *** join/#debian sarixe (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | problems with what things? |
| 02:35.52 | |unjustice| | abrotman: sorry, I am not sure what I am looking to dl here...vesautils for BIOS?, or driver for linux? I cannot seem to find the latter |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | |unjustice|: what video card do you have? |
| 02:37.08 | *** join/#debian lynucs (n=lynucs@pD9E3BDF2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:38.02 | jpinx | is there a way to find out the bios version? |
| 02:38.20 | *** join/#debian Sipingal (n=Sipingal@apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp) |
| 02:38.42 | |unjustice| | abrotman: Sapphire Radeon HD 4830 256 bit PCI express card |
| 02:38.55 | *** join/#debian desti_T2 (n=desti@p5B01A65C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | did you try the radeonhd driver? |
| 02:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 829] by debhelper |
| 02:39.13 | |unjustice| | no, I want to before vesa I think |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | jpinx: /msg dpkg whats my hardware .. one of those might have it |
| 02:39.23 | *** join/#debian erth64net (n=erth64ne@69-30-67-191.dq1sn.easystreet.com) |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | |unjustice|: X -configure |
| 02:39.29 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 02:39.35 | *** part/#debian amitz (n=mercury@114.121.26.133) |
| 02:39.41 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.194.85) |
| 02:40.24 | jpinx | abrotman: sheers |
| 02:40.56 | *** join/#debian d-b_ (n=alias@124-171-15-227.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 02:41.09 | |unjustice| | abrotman: do I need to update xorg then? |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | just try it |
| 02:43.22 | |unjustice| | abrotman: try what? sudo apt-get install xconfig? |
| 02:44.32 | |unjustice| | cannot find package |
| 02:46.23 | *** join/#debian Mimi (n=ubuntuzo@cpe-72-224-194-177.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 02:46.24 | *** join/#debian r3r3 (n=r3r3@181-42.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 02:46.35 | *** join/#debian CAiRO_ (n=tooar@p4FC22FC2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:46.55 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@li23-229.members.linode.com) |
| 02:48.40 | *** join/#debian ferret_0567_ (n=travis@unaffiliated/ferret0567/x-681468) |
| 02:48.44 | *** join/#debian bryno (n=bryno@unaffiliated/bryno) |
| 02:49.03 | |unjustice| | abrotman: I can only find drivers for Windows |
| 02:49.30 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 02:50.00 | *** join/#debian nagnag (i=nero@217.80-203-253.nextgentel.com) |
| 02:50.58 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.194.85) |
| 02:51.32 | |unjustice| | abrotman: dl anyway, and run it in wine? |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | no |
| 02:51.43 | abrotman | not at all |
| 02:52.30 | abrotman | |unjustice|: dpkg -l xserver-xorg .. what is the version ? |
| 02:53.40 | *** join/#debian shadowkyogre (n=shadowky@71-217-120-154.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 02:54.24 | *** join/#debian emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 02:54.38 | frankS2 | how can i make and install just 1 module frmo the linux source? instaed of make modules && make modules_install |
| 02:54.57 | shadowkyogre | Does anyone know where I can download the .deb of Kalzium for KDE3? I've heard it has the equation solver enabled on it (I'm on Arch, using KDEMod3. Apparently they did not enable the equation solver). |
| 02:55.23 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@adsl-76-249-24-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:55.34 | *** join/#debian dub (n=dub@2002:3cea:4782:beef:fade:0:0:1) |
| 02:56.12 | *** join/#debian tbrock (n=tbrock@cpe-69-203-15-12.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 02:56.44 | ferret_0567_ | shadowkyogre: just rebuild the package |
| 02:56.54 | |unjustice| | abrotman: says it is the newest version |
| 02:56.57 | ferret_0567_ | shadowkyogre: it's not hard to do on Arch Linux, I've tried it before |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | |unjustice|: that is NOT what it says |
| 02:57.15 | |unjustice| | oh |
| 02:57.17 | |unjustice| | sorry |
| 02:57.23 | |unjustice| | the command does nothing |
| 02:57.39 | shadowkyogre | Yes...but where can I obtain the PKGBUILD for Kalzium and what do I need to change on it to enable the equation sovler? |
| 02:57.57 | *** join/#debian lostson (n=lostson@CPE-70-92-95-80.new.res.rr.com) |
| 02:58.02 | shadowkyogre | Otherwise I'm going to have to resort to repackaging Debian's Kalzium and put it on my Arch. |
| 02:58.09 | |unjustice| | abrotman: asks me if I want "less" or "more" because it is about to pipe a lot of text |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | |unjustice|: dpkg -l xserver-xorg .. what is the version ? |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | there should be exactly one number |
| 02:58.32 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@76-10-176-50.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 02:59.40 | akuu | how long does it takes for the kernel to compile /aproximately/ ? (core duo 1.7 ) |
| 02:59.49 | shadowkyogre | The PKGBUILD from the devs of KDEMod gave me an empty packet... |
| 02:59.55 | |unjustice| | abrotman: I am not getting a number |
| 03:00.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 03:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 03:00.14 | *** join/#debian fisxoj (n=fisxoj@149.43.110.22) |
| 03:00.16 | |unjustice| | it says options with * produce a bunch of output, pipe it through less or more |
| 03:00.17 | abrotman | it's a CLI command |
| 03:00.20 | |unjustice| | ? |
| 03:00.25 | *** join/#debian rvsjoen (n=rvsjoen@ti311110a340-0473.bb.online.no) |
| 03:00.32 | fisxoj | hello, how do I prefer gettin oo.org from experimental but keep everything else in testing? |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | !tell fisxoj about pinning |
| 03:01.07 | fisxoj | thanks, abrotman |
| 03:01.30 | Sweetandy | Ever since the kernel upgrade, I've lost wireless capabilities on my laptop. I have the broadcom 4306 device. I originally followed the firmware install instructions from linuxwireless.org, and it worked fine for weeks. I tried the firmware install script, but it didn't work. Any advice? |
| 03:02.30 | shadowkyogre | ...ferret? are you there? |
| 03:02.43 | abrotman | Sweetandy: b43-fwcutter ? |
| 03:03.32 | Sweetandy | abrotman, exactly. I uninstalled that, reinstalled it, nothing. So I re-ran the script to install it (I found the script with dpkg -L b43-fwcutter) |
| 03:03.32 | Sweetandy | No luck |
| 03:03.51 | *** join/#debian Sazpaimon_ (i=Sazpaimo@cpe-72-130-30-24.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | Sweetandy: check your logs |
| 03:04.19 | Sweetandy | abrotman, Logs must be new to me, what? |
| 03:04.20 | Gm4n | will dist-upgrade be cleaner once lenny is new stable? I have a fresh etch server I'm about to start installing on, unless it's more sensible to dist-upgrade now than later. |
| 03:04.23 | *** join/#debian leap (n=leap@75.102.128.12) |
| 03:04.28 | shadowkyogre | Okay...does anyone know where I can download the KDE3 debian packages, including kalzium? |
| 03:04.32 | *** join/#debian Niamor7 (n=niamor59@ALille-258-1-91-202.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 03:04.34 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-21-208.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 03:04.37 | abrotman | Sweetandy: /var/log/ .. try the 'dmesg' command to start |
| 03:04.56 | |unjustice| | shadowkyogre: I got mine from netinstall disc...mirror.hampshire.edu |
| 03:05.13 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 03:06.09 | lostson | Gm4n: lenny is very stable but if you are using this a production server it may be wise to stay with current stable to lenny is officially released |
| 03:06.26 | shadowkyogre | Where in the mirror? |
| 03:06.53 | Gm4n | lostson: I was more referring to how my experiences with dist-upgrade etch->lenny haven't been good so far, so I was thinking it might be better to try with a clean server |
| 03:06.55 | |unjustice| | debian repositories... |
| 03:07.22 | lostson | Gm4n: sorry i misunderstood it might very well be yes |
| 03:07.44 | Gm4n | well, there was a little of the other question involved too ;P |
| 03:08.14 | lostson | Gm4n: i believe it might be better yes a complet fresh install |
| 03:08.29 | shadowkyogre | I know that...but what am I supposed to click on once I get there? |
| 03:08.29 | Gm4n | anyhow, you think dist-upgrade to rc1 of a fresh server is easier than dist-upgrade of a not-fresh server to final? |
| 03:08.33 | Gm4n | ok |
| 03:08.35 | Gm4n | so I'll do it now |
| 03:09.58 | shadowkyogre | k, got it. |
| 03:10.01 | lostson | i think dist-upgrade should and would work fine but a fresh install gives you the cleanest new version |
| 03:10.19 | Gm4n | I'm unable to do a fresh install, this is in a data center, and etch is the newest image they offer |
| 03:10.52 | Gm4n | they also automatically split the filesystem into little partitions for me, and I want to undo it |
| 03:11.09 | lostson | Gm4n: a dist upgrade should work fine i have done it on this machine etch to lenny and so far no hiccups at all |
| 03:11.17 | Gm4n | excellent :) |
| 03:11.34 | Gm4n | this one is amd64, which is mainstream enough. I had some major issues on ppc, though |
| 03:11.43 | lostson | Gm4n: and on the wife's and kids as well |
| 03:11.54 | lostson | so thats 3 that have gone very well for me here |
| 03:12.25 | |unjustice| | one these days computer...BAM! straight to the moon |
| 03:12.27 | *** join/#debian samplr (n=samplr@user-64-9-236-71.googlewifi.com) |
| 03:12.34 | stoned | !seen enouf |
| 03:12.34 | dpkg | enouf is currently on #debian (2h 18m). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 33m 40s, last said: '!grub errors'. |
| 03:12.56 | *** join/#debian AntiSpamMeta (n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot) |
| 03:12.58 | lostson | stoned: i thought you were giving up the computer thing for awhile |
| 03:13.19 | *** join/#debian seeds (n=kyddus@ool-182e20f1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:13.38 | Gm4n | hmm, if I see "md7 : active raid1 sdb7[2] sda7[0]", what does the [2] and [0] mean? |
| 03:13.44 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 03:13.46 | |unjustice| | I cannot dpkg -| xserver-xorg |
| 03:13.46 | stoned | I usually say fuck computers, I hate technology once a week |
| 03:13.48 | Gm4n | (this is in /proc/mdstat) |
| 03:13.48 | |unjustice| | not sure why |
| 03:14.04 | stoned | then I walk away for a while |
| 03:14.05 | |unjustice| | green display, no resolution control 10 minute startup into KDE |
| 03:14.14 | stoned | when I come back I don't hate computers anymore |
| 03:14.29 | *** join/#debian fxcp__ (n=ctp@brsg-d9bee239.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 03:14.31 | *** join/#debian pabs3 (n=pabs@169.222.9.155) |
| 03:14.31 | *** join/#debian Laura_ (i=loco@41.236.14.182) |
| 03:14.31 | lostson | i hear ya there |
| 03:14.33 | devils_plaything | stoned, i know a guy like that...... |
| 03:14.42 | |unjustice| | anyone know why this would happen? |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | |unjustice|: that's an L .. not a pipe |
| 03:14.55 | |unjustice| | abrotman: |? |
| 03:14.59 | abrotman | |unjustice|: that's an L .. not a pipe |
| 03:14.59 | stoned | thats an l? |
| 03:15.01 | |unjustice| | no |
| 03:15.03 | abrotman | dpkg -l .. not dpkg -| |
| 03:15.04 | dpkg | No packages found matching .. not dpkg -| |
| 03:15.04 | |unjustice| | it's a pipe |
| 03:15.07 | |unjustice| | oh |
| 03:15.07 | stoned | no man its a pipe |
| 03:15.10 | |unjustice| | OH |
| 03:15.12 | stoned | its not an l |
| 03:15.17 | *** part/#debian pabs3 (n=pabs@169.222.9.155) |
| 03:15.17 | abrotman | stoned: stay out of it |
| 03:15.21 | stoned | hey typed in a pipe instead of a l |
| 03:15.41 | |unjustice| | abrotman: thanks, my mistake |
| 03:16.05 | stoned | abrotman, I'll do as I please, thank you very much. |
| 03:16.16 | abrotman | kids ... |
| 03:16.35 | stoned | eitherway, you want someone to comply, ask nicely :) |
| 03:16.40 | stoned | kids or not. |
| 03:17.34 | *** join/#debian jester45 (n=jester45@99-195-149-182.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 03:19.48 | |unjustice| | man...reboot is SO slow |
| 03:19.57 | |unjustice| | will try -l as soon as I can |
| 03:20.11 | *** join/#debian torstefan (n=torstefa@062016138068.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 03:21.40 | torstefan | I want to map some extra keys(non-generic above the Function keys) to commands |
| 03:21.58 | Gm4n | is there any point in raiding swap space? |
| 03:22.11 | Gm4n | or should I just put half my swap on each of my two drives, then raid1 the big portions together? |
| 03:22.11 | abrotman | no |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | you don't have to .. IIRC the system will stripe across available swap anyways |
| 03:22.50 | Gm4n | and is it just a style thing if I want to put swap partition as 1 or 2? |
| 03:23.35 | *** join/#debian vande (n=sdfpme@116.4.163.83) |
| 03:24.51 | |unjustice| | abrotman: okay it says 1:7.3+18 |
| 03:25.21 | abrotman | so do the X -configure, and choose the vesa driver |
| 03:25.31 | Gm4n | dpkg: paste |
| 03:25.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 03:26.20 | Gm4n | is http://paste.debian.net/26593/ correct for partitions? (just two, it won't bite) |
| 03:26.25 | *** join/#debian fuzzymonk (n=csexton@pool-72-83-131-186.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:26.28 | |unjustice| | abrotman: what is the command to x-configure? |
| 03:26.29 | *** join/#debian AntiSpamMeta (n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot) |
| 03:26.36 | abrotman | so do the X -configure, and choose the vesa driver |
| 03:26.47 | |unjustice| | uh |
| 03:27.01 | |unjustice| | yeah, but what is the command to configure it? |
| 03:27.14 | |unjustice| | dpkg -xconfig? |
| 03:27.15 | dpkg | |unjustice|: no idea |
| 03:27.20 | *** join/#debian ciphernaut (n=mgrigull@nat/redhat/session) |
| 03:27.27 | |unjustice| | lol |
| 03:27.31 | |unjustice| | thanks |
| 03:28.47 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.70.88.150) |
| 03:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 03:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 03:30.30 | *** join/#debian themolester (i=GGG@cpe-72-185-116-151.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 03:30.42 | *** join/#debian mohadib (n=mohadib@c-67-164-150-232.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 03:30.45 | mohadib | howdy |
| 03:31.00 | *** join/#debian JuRiJ (n=JuRiJ@78.99.105.146) |
| 03:31.22 | mohadib | when i middle click in firefox i no longer get the icon with the arrows and the ability to move the mouse to scroll the page |
| 03:31.36 | mohadib | now i get an error about url is not valid and cannot be loaded |
| 03:31.43 | |unjustice| | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 03:31.46 | mohadib | any ideas why this is? |
| 03:31.48 | |unjustice| | abrotman: what is the command |
| 03:31.50 | |unjustice| | ? |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | so do the X -configure, and choose the vesa driver |
| 03:32.38 | |unjustice| | yeah...that is completely not helpful |
| 03:32.41 | |unjustice| | I am trying |
| 03:32.51 | |unjustice| | asking around, checking google |
| 03:32.53 | lostson | not to be a pain but wouldnt it be easier to just edit the xorg.conf file to use the vesa driver ? |
| 03:33.17 | |unjustice| | lostson: where would it be? |
| 03:33.29 | lostson | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:33.47 | lostson | make a backup though if you are gonna mess with it |
| 03:33.54 | *** join/#debian Mib`lfc (n=marius@78-24-90-47.cust.consoll.no) |
| 03:34.19 | *** join/#debian tsairox (n=tsairox@ip68-224-79-178.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 03:34.48 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 03:35.16 | *** join/#debian Mib`lfc (n=marius@78-24-90-47.cust.consoll.no) |
| 03:35.21 | *** join/#debian Mib|LFC2 (n=marius@78-24-90-47.cust.consoll.no) |
| 03:35.37 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (i=foobar@p54A5F0C2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:35.59 | *** join/#debian Mib`lfc (n=marius@78-24-90-47.cust.consoll.no) |
| 03:36.05 | |unjustice| | abrotman: sudo debconf xserver-xorg? |
| 03:36.15 | |unjustice| | perhaps not |
| 03:36.34 | *** join/#debian vicro (n=vicro@166-114-28.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 03:36.48 | Gm4n | how do I destroy an md device? |
| 03:37.02 | *** join/#debian LunarOrca (n=David@6-134-58-66.gci.net) |
| 03:37.04 | LunarOrca | hello |
| 03:37.26 | *** part/#debian samplr (n=samplr@user-64-9-236-71.googlewifi.com) |
| 03:37.32 | Gm4n | hello |
| 03:37.58 | LunarOrca | where are the headers for the system stored? |
| 03:38.09 | abrotman | you probably didn't install them yet |
| 03:38.20 | LunarOrca | i looked around for them |
| 03:38.27 | LunarOrca | where do I get them? |
| 03:38.39 | abrotman | aptitude search linux-headers |
| 03:39.24 | LunarOrca | mostly new to debian, thanks |
| 03:40.07 | LunarOrca | do I do apt-get install? |
| 03:40.32 | abrotman | aptitude install |
| 03:40.59 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=grendal_@71.154.139.61) |
| 03:41.03 | Gm4n | how do I get rid of a md device? |
| 03:41.05 | lostson | apt-get install works as well though |
| 03:41.44 | grendal_prime | grrrrrr...im having hella bad night trying to get x11vnc to work on a remote machine...it simple wont fire up keeps saying it cannot connect to the :0 |
| 03:41.59 | grendal_prime | yet i can see there is a user on it..and they are using the session. |
| 03:42.06 | *** join/#debian jtaji (n=jtaji@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 03:42.33 | LunarOrca | i'm running a 32bit system, do I want the linux-headers-2.6-486? |
| 03:42.42 | abrotman | LunarOrca: uname -r .. what does it say ? |
| 03:42.49 | grendal_prime | you want the headers for the kernel your running |
| 03:42.56 | grendal_prime | (i would assume) |
| 03:43.05 | LunarOrca | yes |
| 03:43.14 | LunarOrca | it came up with 686 |
| 03:43.36 | LunarOrca | I want the one uname gave me right? |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | LunarOrca: linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 03:43.48 | LunarOrca | cool |
| 03:43.53 | LunarOrca | thank you |
| 03:45.01 | *** join/#debian tuxcrafter (n=jelle@84-245-3-195.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 03:45.58 | grendal_prime | abrotman: you ever use x11vnc to show idots on the other side how to use the x interface? |
| 03:46.03 | grendal_prime | sorry idiots. |
| 03:46.19 | *** join/#debian AntiSpamMeta (n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot) |
| 03:46.27 | abrotman | not like that |
| 03:46.32 | *** join/#debian lostson (n=lostson@CPE-70-92-95-80.new.res.rr.com) |
| 03:46.41 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@24.130.9.0) |
| 03:48.26 | *** join/#debian CaTeYe (n=cateye@DEBlAN.ORG) |
| 03:50.58 | *** join/#debian tobias_ (n=tobias@user-0ce2hu8.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 03:51.27 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@cpe-74-68-125-223.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:52.55 | *** join/#debian sfuentes (n=fuentesj@cpe-76-90-194-49.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 03:54.05 | *** join/#debian amitz (n=mercury@114.121.58.4) |
| 03:54.20 | *** join/#debian sixpak (n=wma_@unaffilliated/sixpak) |
| 03:56.12 | *** join/#debian msaizar__ (n=martin@r190-135-136-211.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 03:56.38 | *** join/#debian Agrajag- (n=filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:57.43 | *** join/#debian Intensity (i=[YevLkxS@unaffiliated/intensity) |
| 03:58.31 | *** join/#debian andrew[andrboot] (n=andrew-f@mail.ahbit.net) |
| 03:58.41 | Intensity | Hi. I'm having real trouble getting an expect script to work whenever I use any kind of pipe in the shell that invokes it. I want to be able to tail -f a file, and then run script.exp "$FILENAME" for each line that is output. But when I attempt this, I get "expect: spawn id exp%d not open". |
| 03:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 837] by debhelper |
| 03:59.37 | LunarOrca | i think $1, $2, etc identify input variables |
| 03:59.56 | *** join/#debian newsense_ (n=newsense@unaffiliated/newsense) |
| 04:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 04:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 04:00.47 | LunarOrca | like if the script was "echo $1" and you ran it as "script.sh fun", it would print "fun" |
| 04:01.19 | Intensity | LunarOrca: Are you referring to my question, or to another question that I didn't see, prior to my entry? |
| 04:01.38 | LunarOrca | yea |
| 04:02.08 | LunarOrca | wait, this isn't bash shell is it? |
| 04:02.39 | Intensity | LunarOrca: No, it's an expect script that is not working when it can't (apparently) freely access the terminal. |
| 04:02.48 | LunarOrca | oh |
| 04:03.05 | *** join/#debian sarixe (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:05.02 | Intensity | Where can I ask for help? |
| 04:05.47 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@220-136-226-179.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 04:07.03 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:07.42 | amitz | Intensity: I'm not good at expect but is your problem is related to "expression" problem or something like that? Maybe you have to declare those lines as something before you can spawn them? |
| 04:08.40 | amitz | Intensity: Is tail something that has an output? |
| 04:08.54 | Intensity | amitz: No that's not the issue. If I write at the terminal "./script.exp file1", then it succeeds just fine. But suppose the string "file1" is in a file called "tailfile". Then when I do "tail -f tailfile | while read REPLY; do ./script.exp $REPLY; done", it fails. |
| 04:09.06 | *** join/#debian lostson (n=lostson@CPE-70-92-95-80.new.res.rr.com) |
| 04:10.07 | Intensity | It is something with the expect script (its dependence on the terminal) that is causing difficulty. I think that it's not able to spawn the process because it can't allocate a pty (or designate the existing pty as usable). And I think because I'm using *some* kind of pipe, expect is being thrown off. |
| 04:11.06 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl5-222-214.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 04:12.52 | *** join/#debian funyun (n=EarLy@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 04:13.24 | bmoll8 | i've noticed that when video is being streamed over a server, and say played wiht QuickTime, one is unable to resize the embedded video to make it full size. Any way to do this other than generating an individual html file for each video? |
| 04:13.41 | *** join/#debian christefano__ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:16.43 | *** join/#debian faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) |
| 04:17.47 | *** part/#debian Intensity (i=[YevLkxS@unaffiliated/intensity) |
| 04:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 04:19.59 | ploo | is there a way to see if the keyboard and mouse has been unplugged from the aux/kbd port? |
| 04:20.12 | *** join/#debian christefano___ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:20.32 | *** join/#debian torstefan (n=torstefa@062016138068.customer.alfanett.no) |
| 04:20.44 | torstefan | Hi, when I press the email-key on my keyboard my email client starts. But I would like to map the rest of the keys |
| 04:21.21 | amitz | torstefan: do you use gnome? kde? |
| 04:21.56 | torstefan | gnome |
| 04:21.59 | amitz | torstefan: there is a setting using gui in kde |
| 04:22.37 | amitz | torstefan: hmm, don't know, sorry |
| 04:22.51 | maxamillion | torstefan: i'm not on my gnome machine but if i remember correctly its in the preferences menu, you should be able to map the other keys |
| 04:23.11 | maxamillion | torstefan: if you like i can go power it on and check, its just in the other room |
| 04:23.19 | torstefan | mm.. oki. I have found a program keytouch. But I can't get it to work. I think something in gome is overriding it |
| 04:23.20 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:23.45 | maxamillion | torstefan: yeah, the gnome keyboard shortcuts will over ride |
| 04:24.07 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 04:25.04 | torstefan | There is an app. Keyboard Shortcuts but that doesn't read the extra keys |
| 04:25.11 | *** join/#debian dec3pti0n (n=dec3pti0@pdpc/supporter/student/dec3pti0n) |
| 04:26.18 | *** join/#debian deadcat (n=deadcat@c-98-207-139-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:26.19 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.138.194.85) |
| 04:27.15 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 04:27.44 | torstefan | mm.. It would be nice to map the extra keys to different stuff |
| 04:28.40 | simonrvn | tried selecting your keyboard from the keyboard config panel? |
| 04:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 04:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 04:30.07 | torstefan | I did that now. In the keyboard app |
| 04:30.22 | *** join/#debian dub (n=dub@2002:3cea:4782:beef:fade:0:0:1) |
| 04:31.28 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B259C1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:31.31 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-107-219.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 04:31.45 | *** join/#debian Astroman (n=Astroman@78-86-76-230.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 04:32.49 | *** join/#debian Kwitschibo_ (n=Michael@host-091-097-093-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 04:33.44 | simonrvn | torstefan: did it help any? |
| 04:36.35 | *** join/#debian openpercept (n=openperc@unaffiliated/openpercept) |
| 04:36.46 | torstefan | simonrvn: No, it's the same. There ain't any options for the extra keys in Keyboard Preferences app. and the gnome map keyboard app. dosen't respond to the extra keys. But still some are working. |
| 04:37.33 | *** join/#debian frankS2 (n=frank@ti500720a080-8467.bb.online.no) |
| 04:38.17 | torstefan | ie. mail program is starting when i press the mailbutton |
| 04:41.45 | simonrvn | torstefan: you might need to install something like keytouchd, or similar. |
| 04:41.58 | *** join/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 04:43.02 | *** part/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 04:43.15 | torstefan | Yeah, I have done that. But I can't get it to work. It tells me: Warning: Not all keys can be grabbed by this program. This can be caused by another program which is already grabbing these keys. |
| 04:45.37 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@cl-2502.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 04:45.45 | *** join/#debian Lew-Cid (n=dbjones@PROPRINT.ANDREW.CMU.EDU) |
| 04:45.53 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 04:46.02 | simonrvn | what's saying that? |
| 04:47.19 | torstefan | simonrvn: keytouch in the terminal |
| 04:48.00 | *** join/#debian JeffH (n=JeffH@c-76-120-20-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 04:48.01 | simonrvn | hm odd. i haven't seen that happen much. |
| 04:48.27 | JeffH | Were new login and password packages just submitted to security.debian.org? |
| 04:48.52 | *** join/#debian sarixe (n=sarixe@ool-43540968.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 04:49.24 | torstefan | simonrvn: Maybe all I need is a reboot.. :P |
| 04:50.00 | *** join/#debian Niamor (n=niamor59@ALille-258-1-91-202.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 04:50.55 | torstefan | simonrvn: But there keys is read, so there should be a place to remap them.. |
| 04:51.46 | *** join/#debian Python1320 (i=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) |
| 04:51.47 | *** join/#debian giskard2 (n=anonym@201.143.243.223.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 04:53.23 | JeffH | how do I find out the repository that a particular package lives on? |
| 04:55.47 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:55.53 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-135-252.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 04:56.01 | *** join/#debian DarkSotM (n=justin@208-80-81-226.dsl.pinetel.net) |
| 04:56.01 | simonrvn | torstefan: sure. naw to the reboot, maybe just log out |
| 04:56.49 | Tramp | JeffH: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 04:56.51 | JeffH | do new security packages ever come out without a security warning? |
| 04:57.10 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-088-070-212-162.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:57.23 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 04:57.46 | *** join/#debian lnostdal (n=lnostdal@149-191-122.oke2-bras5.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 04:57.49 | Gm4n | my system isn't booting, but I don't know how to tell why. (It's remote) |
| 04:58.13 | *** join/#debian gukk_devel (n=gukk_dev@xdsl-213-196-250-252.netcologne.de) |
| 04:59.09 | Gm4n | is there some way to set a raid device as bootable? |
| 04:59.21 | *** part/#debian stew (i=1413@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 04:59.22 | *** join/#debian stew (i=1413@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 05:00.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 05:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 05:00.15 | simonrvn | stew: as for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, do you have to export that, or is setting it on the commandline ok? |
| 05:03.16 | JeffH | seems strange to me that I have two new packages (login and passwd) but there's been no security update about them. |
| 05:05.26 | simonrvn | i didn't see a dsa either, but nice to get the update :) |
| 05:05.27 | torstefan | Hmm.. my /etc/rc.local isn't started when booting |
| 05:05.34 | simonrvn | chmod +x |
| 05:05.45 | stew | simonrvn: "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" works |
| 05:06.38 | stew | JeffH: you are running testing? |
| 05:06.49 | stew | JeffH: there hasn't been a new version of shadow for a few weeks, and nothing new in stable |
| 05:06.56 | JeffH | stew: no, stable |
| 05:07.08 | stew | JeffH: then you didn't get a new login today |
| 05:07.11 | stew | JeffH: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/shadow.html |
| 05:08.19 | Tramp | JeffH: http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1709 |
| 05:08.25 | stew | judd: versions login |
| 05:08.25 | judd | stew: login -- etch: 1:4.0.18.1-7 etch-security: 1:4.0.18.1-7+etch1 lenny: 1:4.1.1-6 sid: 1:4.1.1-6 |
| 05:08.32 | JeffH | gotcha |
| 05:09.28 | stew | hang on, i'm trying to verify when the -7+etch1 was released |
| 05:09.29 | *** join/#debian master_of_master (i=master_o@p549D79DA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:09.35 | stew | becuase I'm suprised that its not on that page |
| 05:10.26 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:10.38 | *** join/#debian sassytomato (n=lenny@bas4-montreal28-1279342959.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 05:10.54 | stew | 1:4.0.18.1-7+etch1 Nicolas FRANCOIS (Nekral) <nicolas.francois@centraliens.net> Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:04:04 +0000 |
| 05:11.17 | stew | i dont' know why its not on the pts page though |
| 05:12.44 | *** join/#debian Jewfro-Macabbi (n=Jewfro-M@adsl-63-236-63.sav.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:13.01 | stew | its an odd one, there was no dsa either |
| 05:13.47 | *** join/#debian Bangers1 (n=mplattz@203.94.189.66) |
| 05:13.49 | *** join/#debian phix_ (n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:14.14 | Bangers1 | In cron, can I output to a file based on date? (instead of /dev/null) |
| 05:15.06 | Bangers1 | * * * * * /script.sh >/tmp/file.$(date +'%W') 2>&1 & ? |
| 05:16.47 | Gm4n | my server won't boot... am I supposed to set the linux raid autodetect formatted partition as the bootable one? |
| 05:16.50 | Tramp | stew: isn't 1709 the relevant dsa? |
| 05:18.17 | stew | Tramp: uhh, yes, it is |
| 05:18.32 | stew | why is the changelog fom november |
| 05:18.55 | Tramp | stew: when I tried the Changelog from p.d.o. it wasn't accessible |
| 05:19.23 | Tramp | well, for passwd |
| 05:20.34 | Tramp | and for login as well (The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/s/shadow/shadow_4.0.18.1-7+etch1/changelog was not found on this server.) |
| 05:20.43 | *** join/#debian mike1980 (n=mike1980@CPE8221716c1a3b-CM000f9f7eea54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:20.56 | *** part/#debian Bangers1 (n=mplattz@203.94.189.66) |
| 05:21.18 | stew | Tramp: yes, we have a bug about that |
| 05:21.23 | stew | #495329 |
| 05:21.31 | Tramp | ah, ok |
| 05:21.35 | mike1980 | Does anyone no of A wiki to add a SATA dvd burner I have no idea? |
| 05:22.37 | stew | and that bug will probably be fixed AFTER we ditch apt-ftparchive completely |
| 05:24.39 | Tramp | well, it looks like one of those things which look easy to fiix, if one doesn't understand the mechanics behind but which gets more complicated the more you know |
| 05:27.30 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:27.40 | *** join/#debian bier (n=bier@p54A55A81.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:28.41 | *** join/#debian ohmygod (n=ohmygod@121.229.183.155) |
| 05:30.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 05:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 05:30.06 | *** join/#debian amitz (n=mercury@114.121.111.139) |
| 05:30.25 | *** join/#debian ohmygod (n=ohmygod@121.229.183.155) |
| 05:30.27 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@host172-204-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 05:31.04 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 05:31.30 | mike1980 | Does anyone no of A wiki to add a SATA dvd burner I have no idea? |
| 05:31.52 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@dslb-092-076-099-106.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:32.17 | LunarOrca|AFK | how do you add a windows shared network folder to debian? |
| 05:32.32 | LunarOrca|AFK | quick question before I go |
| 05:33.30 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 05:33.58 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 05:35.47 | *** join/#debian jadi (n=jadi@91.184.69.19) |
| 05:35.48 | *** join/#debian phix (n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:36.57 | *** join/#debian kso512 (n=kso@cpe-24-28-76-30.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:36.58 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@87-205-215-176.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 05:36.59 | Gm4n | can someone explain how a bootable raid1 works? |
| 05:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 825] by debhelper |
| 05:39.21 | mike1980 | Does anyone no how to add a SATA burner |
| 05:40.26 | *** join/#debian grndslm (n=grndslm@24-119-80-142.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 05:41.00 | grndslm | where do i install metacity themes to?? just .themes? |
| 05:41.13 | *** join/#debian meyou- (i=meyou@c-69-181-50-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:43.17 | grndslm | also... does anybody know how i can make the window list in gnome use more of its available space like fluxbox does? for example, if i have 2 windows open... each window should take up half the space available in the window list |
| 05:43.54 | *** join/#debian Bangers1 (n=mplattz@203.94.189.66) |
| 05:44.02 | *** part/#debian mike1980 (n=mike1980@CPE8221716c1a3b-CM000f9f7eea54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:44.10 | *** join/#debian Brack10 (n=travis@97.90.56.111) |
| 05:44.37 | kso512 | Gm4n: http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
| 05:44.46 | Gm4n | kso512, this is remote |
| 05:45.29 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 05:45.31 | Gm4n | I managed to get md0 to the OS (using recovery boot), but I've been unable to make the system boot |
| 05:46.04 | empiric | guys i am owner of a folder i want to set permisiion so that only root can delete file no owner can delete files |
| 05:46.07 | empiric | how i do this |
| 05:46.28 | *** join/#debian debian_noob (n=debian_n@59.97.176.248) |
| 05:46.31 | kso512 | Gm4n: I just followed the steps; not an expert :) but it works...! review the steps and it might show you something you missed |
| 05:47.01 | burris | is creating a .deb for a kernel module much different from any other binary? do you create the data.tar.gz with the module in /lib/modules and use depmod in the post? |
| 05:48.43 | *** part/#debian seeds (n=kyddus@ool-182e20f1.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:49.19 | Bangers1 | Anyone want to guess why this crontab entry doesnt work? Throws rc=255 |
| 05:49.19 | Bangers1 | 43 5 * * 4 /usr/bin/ssh user@server "ls -l >/etc/scripts/log/output.log.\$\(date \+\'\%F\'\) 2>&1" |
| 05:49.26 | *** join/#debian ryanhaigh1 (n=zero-937@intech8.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 05:50.34 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:52.17 | *** join/#debian garity (i=gar@190.198.109.173) |
| 05:53.13 | *** join/#debian sassytomato (n=lenny@bas4-montreal28-1279342959.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 05:53.26 | kso512 | Bangers1: shouldn't the 2>$1 be outside the quotes? |
| 05:55.30 | *** join/#debian themolester (i=GGG@cpe-72-185-116-151.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 05:55.58 | *** part/#debian JeffH (n=JeffH@c-76-120-20-40.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 05:56.58 | empiric | helo guys is this possible |
| 05:57.10 | empiric | that owner of some folder can not delete files |
| 05:57.10 | *** join/#debian jayaraj (n=jayaraj@121.247.149.5) |
| 05:57.27 | empiric | if i set wat to set these permisions |
| 05:57.28 | empiric | ? |
| 05:58.06 | *** join/#debian pepperbob (n=pepperbo@dslb-092-072-092-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper |
| 05:59.06 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 06:00.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 06:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 06:00.20 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=cydork@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 06:01.13 | kso512 | empiric: man chmod |
| 06:01.24 | empiric | tel me command man pz |
| 06:01.37 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 06:01.50 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-100-84.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:01.58 | *** part/#debian debian_noob (n=debian_n@59.97.176.248) |
| 06:05.04 | *** join/#debian ferret_0567_ (n=travis@unaffiliated/ferret0567/x-681468) |
| 06:05.16 | *** join/#debian dec3pti0n (n=dec3pti0@pdpc/supporter/student/dec3pti0n) |
| 06:05.25 | *** part/#debian ryanhaigh1 (n=zero-937@intech8.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 06:05.52 | *** join/#debian h3king (i=jerry@123.175.0.228) |
| 06:05.52 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@dslb-092-076-106-131.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:05.52 | *** join/#debian fedya (n=fedya@static-71-123-50-226.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) |
| 06:06.07 | *** join/#debian qwe (n=qwe@86.57.137.7) |
| 06:06.09 | *** join/#debian mike1980 (n=mike1980@CPE8221716c1a3b-CM000f9f7eea54.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:06.20 | fedya | i added a new init script and thought it would start automatically on system boot, what's wrong with my thinking? |
| 06:06.47 | mike1980 | Should new dvd Drives added to a system show up in fstab after a reboot? |
| 06:07.29 | empiric | kso512 |
| 06:07.42 | mike1980 | can etch do SATA dvd drives |
| 06:07.51 | empiric | you mean its possible that owner of some folder cannot delete files on edit files in folder |
| 06:08.56 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 06:09.48 | *** join/#debian Azhrarn (n=Azhrarn@hermes.themis-group.com) |
| 06:09.56 | mike1980 | I need help badly LOL |
| 06:10.23 | *** join/#debian pepperbob (n=pepperbo@dslb-092-072-092-119.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:10.52 | simonrvn | stew: thanks |
| 06:10.54 | *** join/#debian themo|ester (i=GGG@cpe-72-185-116-151.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 06:12.38 | *** join/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:12.41 | *** join/#debian Brack10 (n=travis@mail.midcoforklift.com) |
| 06:12.53 | mike1980 | I might just try a reinstall and see if the install cd see's it |
| 06:12.58 | *** part/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 06:13.11 | *** join/#debian erth64net (n=erth64ne@69-30-67-191.dq1sn.easystreet.com) |
| 06:13.19 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 06:13.54 | *** join/#debian jan247 (n=jvliwana@unaffiliated/jan247) |
| 06:14.15 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 06:15.17 | *** join/#debian syntax_enable (n=texasone@ip72-195-143-121.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 06:19.47 | Gm4n | what does zerosing the superblock do for raid? |
| 06:20.21 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 06:23.05 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 06:23.14 | *** join/#debian force (n=force@ppp121-45-68-215.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 06:23.47 | *** join/#debian sladi (n=kvirc@77-173-222-85.adsl.verat.net) |
| 06:24.45 | force | I am using a program called monit to monitor various services that are running, I was wondering if anyone here knew how to configure monit to run a third party program at a set interval and if so, how? |
| 06:24.52 | *** join/#debian mngrif_ (n=mngrif@h101.40.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 06:25.36 | *** join/#debian geophoenix (n=phoenix@athedsl-200245.home.otenet.gr) |
| 06:28.17 | *** join/#debian johannix (n=mirani@adsl-71-129-55-44.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 06:28.35 | *** part/#debian johannix (n=mirani@adsl-71-129-55-44.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 06:29.25 | *** join/#debian wakwe (n=wakwe@129.74.226.101) |
| 06:29.42 | wakwe | how do i determine if the return of readdir() is a file or folder? |
| 06:29.46 | force | particularly something along the lines of if exec "program params" returns 0 then exec "something" else exec "otherprogram" |
| 06:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 06:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 06:30.13 | geophoenix | goodmorning |
| 06:30.17 | force | wakwe: apt-get install manpages-dev then run man readdir |
| 06:30.44 | *** join/#debian sauvin (n=sauvin@unaffiliated/sauvin) |
| 06:30.56 | wakwe | force: maybe its just my ignorance when reading the manpages for readdir, but i don't see anything that points to whether its a file or folder |
| 06:31.19 | *** join/#debian alfadir (n=alfadir@e180023185.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 06:31.28 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 06:31.42 | force | wakwe: it returns a struct, the structure has the filenames in it |
| 06:32.12 | force | wakwe: d_type will say if it's a file or folder |
| 06:32.23 | *** join/#debian assasusonic (n=assasuka@n220246055205.netvigator.com) |
| 06:32.23 | *** join/#debian assasusonic_ (n=assasuka@n220246055205.netvigator.com) |
| 06:32.33 | wakwe | thanks -- i'll look more into it |
| 06:33.53 | alfadir | got hit by bug initrd error: #497791 - temporary fix in bug |
| 06:34.40 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 06:34.49 | geophoenix | hit it back |
| 06:34.57 | *** join/#debian newsense__ (n=newsense@99.141.86.252) |
| 06:36.32 | *** join/#debian vlt (n=dm@suez.activ-job.com) |
| 06:36.39 | *** join/#debian Melik (n=Hotshot@adsl-75-34-153-18.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:38.43 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 06:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 823] by debhelper |
| 06:39.04 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=cydork@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 06:39.20 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (n=coldfyre@c-76-21-109-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:40.26 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@24.130.9.0) |
| 06:41.18 | *** join/#debian neighborlee (i=neighbor@c-24-16-17-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:42.56 | *** join/#debian W0rmF00d (n=wormfood@59.40.80.35) |
| 06:44.48 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-126-101.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:46.45 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 06:48.14 | *** join/#debian vlt (n=dm@suez.activ-job.com) |
| 06:48.44 | *** join/#debian Viper-7 (n=viper7@59.167.245.106) |
| 06:49.16 | *** join/#debian nick_h[litage] (n=nick@CPE001ee5861925-CM000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:54.29 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 06:56.01 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 06:56.13 | *** join/#debian Guerin (n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 06:57.02 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl5-50-74.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 06:58.02 | *** join/#debian Flimflam (n=philb@adsl-99-148-213-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 816] by debhelper |
| 07:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 07:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 07:00.14 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:00.17 | *** join/#debian EarLy (n=EarLy@cpe-65-185-84-79.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 07:04.47 | *** join/#debian moot (n=boot@203-214-150-230.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:04.48 | *** join/#debian Janhouse (n=janhouse@janhouse.id.lv) |
| 07:07.58 | *** join/#debian ryg9I (n=pavel@gw.sevsky.net) |
| 07:08.17 | *** join/#debian giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:09.01 | *** join/#debian hikenboot (n=hikenboo@c-75-67-11-49.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 07:09.20 | *** join/#debian fignew (n=woowoo@c-98-242-70-148.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 07:10.41 | *** join/#debian newsense_ (n=newsense@unaffiliated/newsense) |
| 07:12.28 | *** join/#debian mydrmeix (n=mydrmeix@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361553.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) |
| 07:15.22 | *** join/#debian tdn (n=tdn@4808ds3-fb.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 07:15.38 | Gm4n | how do I unfail a disk in mdadm? |
| 07:17.18 | *** join/#debian crazyfrog (n=crazyfro@116.254.131.249) |
| 07:17.50 | *** join/#debian Xanthor[aw] (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-116-118.w90-28.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:18.07 | crazyfrog | how to install flash plugin ? |
| 07:18.17 | mydrmeix | crazyfrog: www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 822] by debhelper |
| 07:20.27 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@118.101.107.206) |
| 07:27.42 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:29.26 | *** join/#debian mchelen1 (n=mchelen@208-59-115-131.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 07:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 07:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 07:31.27 | *** join/#debian montoya (n=fra@clusterstudenti.dipmat.unipg.it) |
| 07:34.38 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@24.130.9.0) |
| 07:35.17 | *** join/#debian Coweater (n=coweater@pool-173-74-124-184.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 07:35.40 | *** join/#debian _2 (n=RO0T@dialup-4.226.150.79.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) |
| 07:35.42 | liable | gits in non-free |
| 07:35.50 | liable | s/gits/its/ |
| 07:36.23 | _2 | umm lenny's version of "pastebinit" doesn't read stdin at all ??? |
| 07:36.49 | *** join/#debian youngpro (n=proleone@ppp121-45-69-101.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 07:37.13 | liable | did you look at the man page? its the first line... |
| 07:37.25 | liable | s/line/option/ |
| 07:37.58 | crazyfrog | i can not install the flash plugin |
| 07:38.31 | liable | crazyfrog: flashplugin-nonfree (in non-free) |
| 07:38.31 | *** join/#debian Pulpie (n=Pulpie@unaffiliated/pulpie) |
| 07:38.32 | _2 | liable me ? |
| 07:38.40 | liable | _2: yeah |
| 07:39.06 | *** join/#debian xand (i=xand@unaffiliated/xelam) |
| 07:39.13 | _2 | i tried -i - that just hangs |
| 07:39.20 | Pulpie | is it normal for grub to hang for about 20-30 seconds at "grub loading, please wait..."? |
| 07:39.21 | xand | debhelper: up yours! |
| 07:39.22 | liable | just - |
| 07:39.24 | _2 | if that was what you mean |
| 07:39.27 | crazyfrog | liable:but which source contains the package |
| 07:39.38 | liable | crazyfrog: what do you mean? |
| 07:39.59 | crazyfrog | where to find the package |
| 07:40.17 | *** join/#debian NineTails (n=ninetail@88-104-165-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 07:40.19 | _2 | liable like i said, it doesn't work. |
| 07:40.31 | liable | crazyfrog: what do you mean where to find the package |
| 07:40.40 | _2 | it will paste a files content just fine |
| 07:40.43 | liable | _2: with just - ? no -i |
| 07:40.50 | _2 | liable both |
| 07:40.59 | liable | whats the command you are using? |
| 07:41.09 | *** join/#debian r4ban (n=anonym@201.143.243.223.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 07:41.16 | crazyfrog | i can not find flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:41.41 | liable | crazyfrog: do you have non-free in your sources |
| 07:41.58 | crazyfrog | no |
| 07:42.45 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:43.06 | liable | _2: dmesg |pastebinit - works here |
| 07:43.07 | *** join/#debian fdd (n=antares@unaffiliated/fdd) |
| 07:43.09 | *** join/#debian ia (n=ia@89.169.165.188) |
| 07:43.15 | _2 | liable doesn't here |
| 07:43.18 | liable | crazyfrog: so add non-free to your sources |
| 07:43.43 | _2 | liable you are using lenny ? |
| 07:43.44 | liable | _2: it takes a little while to do its thing though |
| 07:44.08 | liable | _2: sid, which has the same version |
| 07:44.31 | *** part/#debian Pulpie (n=Pulpie@unaffiliated/pulpie) |
| 07:44.57 | _2 | checking for any updates |
| 07:45.07 | crazyfrog | liable:from any site? |
| 07:45.16 | liable | crazyfrog: huh? |
| 07:45.20 | liable | !nonfree |
| 07:45.20 | dpkg | non-free is probably a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:45.31 | _2 | liable test also lshw -C cpu | pastebinit - see if that works for you |
| 07:45.43 | liable | !tell crazyfrog -about non-free sources |
| 07:46.28 | liable | i dont have lshw, and i dont see why that wouldnt work though |
| 07:46.47 | _2 | liable heh it doesn't even work on the older versions |
| 07:46.55 | _2 | lshw -C cpu | pastebinit.py - |
| 07:46.56 | _2 | KeyboardInterrupt catched. |
| 07:47.04 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:47.11 | _2 | and i didn't interrupt it. |
| 07:47.22 | liable | does your lshw command actually output anything? when its not piped to pastebinit? |
| 07:47.27 | _2 | sure |
| 07:47.57 | liable | is your internet working on that box? |
| 07:48.03 | _2 | http://pastebin.com/f51be72ce |
| 07:48.29 | _2 | that was lshw -C cpu > error ;pastebinit error |
| 07:49.07 | *** join/#debian Qdecnik (n=qdecnik@89.250.163.77) |
| 07:49.46 | _2 | i'm wondering if shell script might have been better to write pastebinit in than python ;/ |
| 07:49.47 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 07:50.14 | *** join/#debian nibbler (n=Nibbler@txx226.disy.net) |
| 07:50.17 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 07:50.18 | _2 | or if some more quoting might be in order or ... |
| 07:51.04 | *** join/#debian newsense__ (n=newsense@99.140.174.148) |
| 07:52.17 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-48-161.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:52.34 | _2 | anyway just wanted to bring that to someones attention, and "tag you're it" :) |
| 07:55.59 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 07:56.25 | *** part/#debian garity (i=gar@190.198.109.173) |
| 07:58.07 | Gm4n | I'm trying to boot my system, but I get Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x82 |
| 07:58.27 | *** join/#debian xjih78 (i=z0r0@90.154.210.44) |
| 07:58.28 | Gm4n | can someone help? I'm in dire straits :( |
| 08:00.03 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 08:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 08:04.47 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p57911E54.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:05.29 | liable | Gm4n: did you build your own kernel or something? |
| 08:06.29 | nsadmin | partition type 0x82 is linux swap? |
| 08:06.47 | liable | i thought that was 83? |
| 08:07.04 | *** join/#debian mngrif (n=mngrif@h101.40.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 08:07.05 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 08:07.44 | liable | ohno, your right, 82 is swap |
| 08:08.02 | nsadmin | looks to his right |
| 08:08.51 | liable | yes yes. another grammar nazi i add to the provocation list :P |
| 08:09.05 | *** join/#debian funktor (i=mew@client-86-25-205-73.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) |
| 08:09.39 | nsadmin | is a grammar player :_) |
| 08:10.38 | nsadmin | so, our dire straits member has an 82 partition that has an unknown fs type? |
| 08:10.59 | *** join/#debian mazzanet (n=mazzanet@fe1-1.mel-ii.bdr1.mazzanet.id.au) |
| 08:11.20 | liable | wrong kernel line one must assume |
| 08:12.55 | *** join/#debian Fiskah (n=fiskah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 08:13.23 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 08:14.22 | nsadmin | does grub2 have a shell? |
| 08:15.04 | liable | would imagine so |
| 08:16.18 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@145.253.117.242) |
| 08:18.44 | *** join/#debian Sipingal (n=Sipingal@apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp) |
| 08:18.46 | *** join/#debian kingsley (n=kingsley@74.220.245.222) |
| 08:20.46 | yang | I need some assistance around swap partition, it doesn't want to mount at boot time |
| 08:21.06 | nsadmin | what's your swap partn |
| 08:21.14 | yang | /dev/sda2 1 523 4200997 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 08:21.28 | yang | [09:21:07] root@G033 ~ # cat /etc/fstab |grep swap |
| 08:21.28 | yang | /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 08:21.55 | nsadmin | looks right to me... |
| 08:22.07 | nsadmin | is the swap space formatted? |
| 08:22.19 | yang | if i use command "free" it says 0 0 0 |
| 08:22.26 | yang | no its probably not formatted |
| 08:22.35 | *** join/#debian Seb_ (n=Seb@64.2.3.200) |
| 08:22.53 | *** join/#debian anewbie (n=pvp04@ns.newagelan.net) |
| 08:23.06 | nsadmin | hmm mine says that too |
| 08:23.13 | *** join/#debian firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-58-226.client.mchsi.com) |
| 08:23.14 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 08:23.23 | *** join/#debian babuun (n=kutu@unaffiliated/toki) |
| 08:23.50 | negge^ | I need some serious help with a permission problem. |
| 08:24.22 | firebird619 | Is there a way to tell what each event* in /dev/input belongs to? |
| 08:24.43 | *** join/#debian inigo_work (n=inigo@212.21.227.90.static.user.ono.com) |
| 08:24.52 | nsadmin | and I seem to have a lot of swap space :) |
| 08:24.57 | negge^ | whenever I create a new directory over FTP, others don't have execute rights to it which means they can't see what's inside. This means that every time I create a new directory on my website I have to run a script which chmods all folders. How do I get around this? |
| 08:26.08 | yang | nsadmin: so I should use mkswap /dev/sda2 ? |
| 08:26.25 | nsadmin | negge probably the ftp server sets permissions on new dirs that way |
| 08:26.55 | nsadmin | yang: worth a try... but are you running something critical right now? |
| 08:27.18 | yang | no |
| 08:27.28 | *** join/#debian nihil (n=mh@unaffiliated/nihil) |
| 08:27.34 | *** join/#debian erifri (n=erifri@c-f7cee655.012-110-6f73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 08:27.35 | nsadmin | so a reboot would be ok? |
| 08:27.44 | *** join/#debian ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) |
| 08:27.58 | hachi | on debian... to do debugging of perl I'd like to get a hold of the source tree used to build perl |
| 08:28.05 | hachi | so that gdb can find... hv.c for example |
| 08:28.13 | hachi | I know I can get the sources via apt-get source |
| 08:28.19 | hachi | but where do I put them so gdb can find them? |
| 08:28.20 | yang | nsadmin: it worked afterwards with swapon -a |
| 08:28.22 | *** join/#debian garther (n=IceChat7@hse179.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:28.24 | hachi | or how do I figure this out |
| 08:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 08:29.00 | nsadmin | yang cool... so now free says other than0 0 0? |
| 08:29.07 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-48-161.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 08:29.30 | *** part/#debian ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) |
| 08:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 08:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 08:31.52 | *** join/#debian mag_mor (n=blob@client-202-149.swh.uni-giessen.de) |
| 08:32.27 | *** join/#debian andrew[andrboot] (n=andrew-f@mail.ahbit.net) |
| 08:33.58 | negge | nsadmin: I'm using vsftpd and the only masking settings I can set is which mask should be applied to uploaded files, but it doesn't seem to affect uploaded folders |
| 08:36.21 | nsadmin | you use this for non-anon logins? |
| 08:37.00 | nsadmin | (btw not sure what the problem could be other than the server creating them that way) |
| 08:37.24 | yang | nsadmin: yes it shows up right |
| 08:37.34 | *** join/#debian pirx_ (n=akol@mlmfw1.tactel.se) |
| 08:37.54 | *** join/#debian mhymn (i=mhymn@unaffiliated/mhymn) |
| 08:37.56 | nsadmin | did you try swapon -a before? if so what did it say? |
| 08:38.23 | pirx_ | hi! if i have postgresql 8.1 installed, and want to _also_ install 8.3 (side by side), will that work if i just do apt-get install, or will that remove the current 8.1? |
| 08:38.46 | nsadmin | I don't think it will remove it |
| 08:38.56 | *** join/#debian pozic_ (n=pozic@217.109.160.5) |
| 08:39.00 | *** join/#debian Sipingal (n=Sipingal@apac-nc01-o.oracle.co.jp) |
| 08:39.00 | nsadmin | it might set the port to something like 5433 |
| 08:39.23 | *** join/#debian newsense_ (n=newsense@unaffiliated/newsense) |
| 08:39.40 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 08:39.57 | pozic_ | Is there a program reads stdin (ASCII) and writes a rotated version of the input to stdout? |
| 08:40.33 | nsadmin | try apt-get install filters, and then try rot13 |
| 08:40.53 | *** join/#debian Kohvihoor (n=j@87-119-160-153.tll.elisa.ee) |
| 08:41.14 | nsadmin | for extra security... try rot13 | rot13 |
| 08:41.42 | *** part/#debian Guest8008 (n=bor@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 08:41.51 | *** join/#debian alcohol (n=bor@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 08:41.52 | *** join/#debian p0g0_ (n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0) |
| 08:42.05 | *** part/#debian firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-18-58-226.client.mchsi.com) |
| 08:42.23 | *** join/#debian enzotib (n=enzotib@unaffiliated/enzotib) |
| 08:42.32 | *** part/#debian Guest22109 (n=bor@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 08:42.43 | pozic_ | nsadmin: not that kind of rotation... |
| 08:42.45 | *** join/#debian alcohol (n=bor@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 08:42.47 | alcohol | ffs |
| 08:43.12 | *** join/#debian ScriptRipper (n=martin@85.233.34.53.dynamic.cablesurf.de) |
| 08:43.14 | pozic_ | nsadmin: rotation by 90 degrees. |
| 08:43.30 | *** join/#debian Batchy (n=batchy@AVelizy-155-1-54-48.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:43.40 | *** join/#debian raekism (n=raekism@unaffiliated/raekism) |
| 08:44.52 | et | trivial to write |
| 08:45.08 | *** join/#debian harobed (n=harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:46.39 | *** join/#debian mngrif (n=mngrif@h183.39.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 08:48.12 | nsadmin | you mean it writes like this |
| 08:48.13 | nsadmin | i |
| 08:48.14 | nsadmin | t |
| 08:49.37 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 08:50.02 | *** join/#debian BoomSie (n=gideon@dw772421126.amsterdam-tc.dataweb.net) |
| 08:50.38 | pozic_ | nsadmin: yes, but I am not sure whether one can still recognize the original if one does it in that simple way. |
| 08:51.21 | pozic_ | nsadmin: since you cannot rotate the letters themselves. |
| 08:51.44 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 08:51.53 | *** join/#debian earthnat1ve (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:52.32 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-347875.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:53.03 | *** join/#debian DonAlex (n=DonAlex@mirafiori.demon.co.uk) |
| 08:53.13 | DonAlex | Morning all.. |
| 08:53.25 | DonAlex | anyone have any experience with Debian and IP Cop? |
| 08:53.28 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 08:53.49 | nsadmin | DonAlex: better to describe your experience |
| 08:54.11 | nsadmin | but not to I, as bed awaits |
| 08:54.13 | DonAlex | nsadmin: Well in a word none, so far ;) |
| 08:54.20 | negge | nsadmin: you made my day man. I had the mask settings screwed up somehow. I had removed the execute permissions for all files because I didn't want uploaded files to be executable but then I read on Wikipedia that no matter what mask you use you can't upload executable files so I just set the mask to 022 and whola, now it's all good! |
| 08:54.25 | DonAlex | nsadmin: oh right.. Nighty night then.. sleep well :) |
| 08:54.42 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@63.214.229.60) |
| 08:55.23 | nsadmin | DonAlex: like, if you've tried anything so far, would be good to describe what you tried... and first, what is your goal |
| 08:55.34 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-212-38.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 08:55.42 | nsadmin | negge: glad it worked out |
| 08:56.51 | *** join/#debian bartvk (n=bartvk__@91.195.201.27) |
| 08:56.54 | DonAlex | Well the goal is to put a robust gateway server in a school environment. But I just trundled over to ipcop.org and noticed that 1.4 is running on kernel 2.4.. makes me nervous given that I moved away from that a long time ago.. can't even remember what the status of backports is. |
| 08:57.02 | *** join/#debian |bbinotto| (n=kvirc@62-2-214-5.static.cablecom.ch) |
| 08:57.04 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (n=name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 08:57.30 | |bbinotto| | hi, does anyone know how to kill a clamscan process? |
| 08:57.40 | |bbinotto| | it's always coming back with different id |
| 08:57.55 | *** join/#debian mohamed-ragab (n=mohamed-@41.196.148.210) |
| 08:58.00 | DonAlex | I have good experience with Debian in general and securing normal networks.. and not afraid of compiling the developmental v2 tree.. |
| 08:58.09 | DonAlex | Just asking is anyone has any experience with that.. |
| 08:58.32 | nsadmin | DonAlex: btw ipmasq is a package that "calculates" a masqing firewall |
| 08:58.49 | nsadmin | using the present interface values as input |
| 08:58.57 | Guerin | DonAlex: there's no cause for running a 2.4 kernel in 2009 |
| 08:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 844] by debhelper |
| 08:59.03 | DonAlex | nsadmin: *blinks* Was that meant for me? |
| 08:59.31 | nsadmin | DonAlex: sure why not? |
| 08:59.48 | DonAlex | Guerin: Well I kinda know that.. but the IP Cop site doesn't seem to have an awfully lot on it. Other than compiling the v2 svn tree with a kernel >2.6.5 |
| 09:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 09:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 09:00.39 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-212-38.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 09:01.18 | *** join/#debian jazz (n=csegui@nat/ibm/session) |
| 09:01.51 | *** join/#debian LegolasV (n=whoeiii3@citry.student.utwente.nl) |
| 09:02.21 | DonAlex | nsadmin: bit like firewalk then? |
| 09:03.12 | DonAlex | Has anyone had experience with IP Cop then? |
| 09:03.12 | nsadmin | not sure what firewalk does, but maybe :) |
| 09:03.34 | DonAlex | nsadmin: scans and maps out rules for a given firewall :) |
| 09:04.12 | nsadmin | yeah, it uses iptables (but if you have something earlier, will use that... like ipchains or ipfwadm) |
| 09:04.23 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (n=coldfyre@c-76-21-109-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:04.42 | DonAlex | nsadmin: I am more familiar with iptables for sure.. |
| 09:05.05 | DonAlex | nsadmin: worth looking at , can never have too many good tools right? |
| 09:05.28 | negge | DonAlex: if you're looking for firewall software I've heard that Smoothwall is one of the best |
| 09:05.31 | nsadmin | it is pretty cool... |
| 09:06.00 | *** join/#debian pihhan (n=pihhan@dhcpr100.fit.vutbr.cz) |
| 09:06.19 | DonAlex | negge: Looking for a little more than a firewall though. Secure proxy and content filtering.. It is a girls school you see.. |
| 09:06.36 | nsadmin | if you need to forward ports, I think you still have to make a manual change in the scripts that write out the rules |
| 09:06.50 | negge | DonAlex: afaik Smoothwall has that too |
| 09:06.50 | *** join/#debian ColdFyre (n=coldfyre@c-76-21-109-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 09:06.55 | DonAlex | negge: IP Cop has a nice collection of addons it seems |
| 09:07.17 | nsadmin | hmm, ipmasq is just a masq setup |
| 09:07.30 | DonAlex | negge: well sell me the virtues of Smoothwall over IP Cop.. :) |
| 09:07.48 | DonAlex | nsadmin: Oh so it is.. yes.. we are talking of different things :) |
| 09:08.02 | DonAlex | nsadmin: network auditing vs network admin. |
| 09:08.28 | DonAlex | nsadmin: not seen ipmasq before though .. might give it a try some point. |
| 09:08.58 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net) |
| 09:08.59 | nsadmin | it sounds like you might need that plus other stuff |
| 09:09.01 | *** join/#debian micha3l (n=micha3l@host213-120-145-13.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 09:09.03 | *** join/#debian Givvade (n=Givvade@dslc-082-082-080-099.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:09.36 | nsadmin | I dunno if you want to do masq (NAT) |
| 09:10.18 | *** join/#debian zophy[] (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net) |
| 09:11.20 | DonAlex | Hmm doesn't seem to be much discussion on the virtues of |
| 09:11.23 | *** join/#debian ebilpanda (n=qqq@81.214.145.178) |
| 09:11.29 | *** join/#debian dondelelcaro (n=don@rzlab3.ucr.edu) |
| 09:11.29 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-48-161.dyn.iinet.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian nick_h[litage] (n=nick@CPE001ee5861925-CM000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian WormFood (n=wormfood@59.40.80.35) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian Azhrarn (n=Azhrarn@hermes.themis-group.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian neiljp (n=Neil@i-83-67-78-67.freedom2surf.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian debhelper (n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian Kamping_Kaiser (n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz) |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian blue (n=blue@irc.mmh.dk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian GeorgeA (n=george@77.246.73.139) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian Nameeater (i=dean@unaffiliated/nameeater) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian bolt-work (i=bolt@194.0.169.179) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian stoned (i=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned) |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian WALL-E (n=WALL-E@unaffiliated/wall-e) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian vulture (n=vulture@about/csharp/regular/vulture) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian peleg (n=peleg@78-86-171-119.zone2.bethere.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian pi__ (i=pi@72.14.179.24) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian xsdg (n=xsdg@SIPB-VM-99.MIT.EDU) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian kjwr (n=kajiwara@x093233.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian vega (i=visa@tavallaan.eikun.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian hardfail (n=no@67.228.87.11) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian phlux (i=phlux@please.gline.me) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian unsolo (n=unsolo@gentoo/user/unsolo) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian finrod (n=finrod@88.198.5.81) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@202.109.195-77.rev.gaoland.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian Locke0 (i=afyr@OFSfb-15p1-150.ppp11.odn.ad.jp) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian l1d (i=shekk@209.136.127.142) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian rjent (n=level3@204.184.227.250) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian Spida (n=timo@ns1.spinnennetz.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian fr33k (n=fvb@84-104-66-186.cable.quicknet.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian rebecka (n=rebecka@78-70-216-34-no156.tbcn.telia.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian minerale (i=35181@about/cooking/alfredo/Minerale) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian arejay (i=arejay@dawnshosting.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian RvGaTe (n=rvgate-f@dhcp-077-250-020-084.chello.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian CrazyFoam (n=gturner@genuxb.unzane.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian radius (n=cube@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/radius) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian Sememmon (n=Sememmon@ip70-190-32-223.ph.ph.cox.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian tictac (n=tictac@c-24-18-95-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** mode/#debian [+ooo dondelelcaro debhelper ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian vladi (n=vladi@206-169-1-36.static.twtelecom.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian nfsnobody- (n=nnscript@sexy.whitey.hostaroo.net.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian zwox_ (n=zwox@unaffiliated/zwox) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.31 | *** join/#debian benf2004 (i=benf2004@unaffiliated/benf2004) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:11.38 | DonAlex | who what happened there? |
| 09:11.38 | ebilpanda | hello |
| 09:11.47 | DonAlex | Did I get bounced or did all of you? |
| 09:12.24 | nsadmin | DonAlex: yes |
| 09:12.46 | DonAlex | nsadmin: hmm little odd. but hey ho.. |
| 09:13.00 | nsadmin | server split/rejoin. |
| 09:15.58 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:16.09 | DonAlex | So noone has ever used IP Cop on Debian? |
| 09:17.23 | *** join/#debian LostMonarch (n=roby@host234-206-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 09:18.00 | *** join/#debian r4ban (n=anonym@201.143.243.223.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 09:18.19 | *** join/#debian Simulator (n=AlCapone@60.52.59.152) |
| 09:19.32 | *** join/#debian Lifeform (n=Lifeform@ti0042a380-0655.bb.online.no) |
| 09:19.58 | DonAlex | Hmmm what is this Endian business like? |
| 09:20.01 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@pd95b6029.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:20.05 | *** join/#debian debian_noob (n=debian_n@59.97.177.74) |
| 09:20.39 | ebilpanda | If a package is included in the stable release and was not upgraded/updated after the freeze, will it only be available in the stable repositories or in all repositories? |
| 09:20.47 | *** join/#debian jakub (i=nyty@pixla.jmnet.cz) |
| 09:21.04 | bolt-work | DonAlex: what do you mean ip cop on debian? |
| 09:21.14 | bolt-work | DonAlex: afaik, ipcop is a separate distro |
| 09:21.22 | bolt-work | DonAlex: I've used it though. prefer smoothwall |
| 09:21.48 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Far as I can make out it is tool set that is laid on top of a normal distro. |
| 09:22.09 | *** join/#debian Workybob (n=workybob@d5153048F.access.telenet.be) |
| 09:22.10 | DonAlex | bolt-work: comes as a tar.gz with a toolchain ;) |
| 09:22.24 | Workybob | How do I get apt to give me a list of all packages I could install? |
| 09:23.34 | *** join/#debian r4ban (n=anonym@201.143.243.223.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 09:23.58 | DonAlex | Workybob: use apitude? ;) |
| 09:24.05 | Workybob | that's non-composable |
| 09:24.12 | Workybob | I can't pipe that into other tools |
| 09:24.26 | *** join/#debian acemi (n=acemi@unaffiliated/acemi) |
| 09:24.32 | Gm4n | why would my grub be trying to boot hd0,0 when I just told it to boot hd0,1? |
| 09:24.42 | DonAlex | Workybob: yeah yeah I was just being puck.. |
| 09:25.02 | Workybob | hehe, sorry, not up on the idiosyncrosies of this channel yet ) |
| 09:25.03 | Workybob | :) |
| 09:25.09 | pirx_ | Workybob: perhaps apt-cache dump ? |
| 09:25.31 | pirx_ | or: apt-cache dump | grep ^Package: |
| 09:25.50 | DonAlex | pirx_: I was just about to say that :) |
| 09:25.52 | Workybob | yep, just got to that myself, that's perfect :) |
| 09:25.56 | Workybob | thanks a lot |
| 09:26.19 | pirx_ | :) |
| 09:26.52 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:27.19 | bolt-work | "IPCop Linux is a complete Linux distribution whose sole purpose is to protect the networks on which it is installed." |
| 09:27.32 | bolt-work | hm.. |
| 09:27.39 | bolt-work | where did you get that tgz? |
| 09:28.00 | vonsp | where i can find deb with file bitops.h ? |
| 09:28.09 | *** join/#debian debian_noob (n=debian_n@59.97.177.74) |
| 09:28.10 | bolt-work | vonsp: apt-file search |
| 09:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 851] by debhelper |
| 09:29.43 | *** join/#debian matlakow (n=luka@217.153.242.137) |
| 09:29.47 | vonsp | thanks, even if it is not in standart apt utilites package |
| 09:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 09:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 09:30.36 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:31.21 | bolt-work | vonsp: not everything is |
| 09:31.57 | vonsp | by the way, how long may take apt-file update ? |
| 09:32.08 | *** join/#debian meborc (n=meborc@wavelan-193.vlan-101.publik.su.se) |
| 09:32.10 | bolt-work | vonsp: depends on your connection speed and cpu speed |
| 09:32.13 | *** join/#debian lbt (n=david@78.32.229.233) |
| 09:32.15 | DonAlex | bolt-work: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=40604&package_id=35093&release_id=615271 |
| 09:32.19 | bolt-work | vonsp: less than a minute, i'd say |
| 09:32.25 | vonsp | thanks |
| 09:32.44 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:32.46 | DonAlex | bolt-work: looks like a tgz to me ;) |
| 09:33.14 | bolt-work | vonsp: stuff apt-get update and apt-file update in a cronjob at 2AM or something. i have that on all my boxes :) |
| 09:34.43 | *** join/#debian msa (n=t@bl10-157-210.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 09:35.09 | bolt-work | DonAlex: I think that's just the GPL'd ipcop-developed sources |
| 09:35.21 | bolt-work | DonAlex: not for install on other distros |
| 09:35.25 | bolt-work | DonAlex: feel free to try, though |
| 09:35.42 | *** join/#debian ringo999 (n=ringo999@nat-wireless.itu.dk) |
| 09:36.25 | bolt-work | DonAlex: it comes with stuff like a pcmcia driver. wouldn't think that should be in the sources if it was just an installable |
| 09:36.35 | ringo999 | hi. my frist time trying to print from debian. i have cups installed and networkd lpd printer setup. How to print a pdf file now? xpdf says I need to use lpr but how? |
| 09:36.55 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Well I looked at the SVN tree v 2 but it is very sketchy on what the progress is.. |
| 09:37.23 | DonAlex | bolt-work: For that they say compile the toolchain yourself and run it on a kernel > 2.6.5 |
| 09:37.24 | bolt-work | !tell ringo999 about cups setup |
| 09:37.46 | DonAlex | bolt-work: kinda looks like it is not really being worked on too much these days.. That is kinda worrying. |
| 09:38.13 | bolt-work | DonAlex: you really don't want your gateway/router/firewall box to run anything but that though. why not just grab an old pentium 200 or whatever and install ipcop in the first place? it's a good distro, for its purpose |
| 09:38.26 | Gm4n | where is grub's menu.lst generated from? |
| 09:38.29 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:38.45 | bolt-work | DonAlex: if you're worried about activity, check out smoothwall express instead. that's definately being worked on |
| 09:39.02 | bolt-work | DonAlex: ipcop may be active as well, though. but i wouldn't know |
| 09:39.10 | DonAlex | bolt-work: well I have DL380 I can use.. but i am just a little concerned about any new features of 2.6 we might like.. |
| 09:39.14 | bolt-work | Gm4n: update-grub |
| 09:39.28 | DonAlex | bolt-work: well came across this.. http://www.google.com/trends?q=ipcop%2C+smoothwall%2C+endian&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 09:39.29 | ringo999 | bolt-work: i did install the printer with cups, but how do i print the actual file? in xpdf i just see a window popping up with "LPR" command... I guess it needs some more input? |
| 09:39.42 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Not sure what it means in genereal to me though |
| 09:40.55 | ringo999 | bolt-work: ok, I found the docu now. thanks. |
| 09:41.26 | *** join/#debian bylzz (i=bylzz@fw.hostname.se) |
| 09:41.32 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:41.34 | bolt-work | DonAlex: i'm not sure what it means at all |
| 09:42.37 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Oh who knows.. look pretty though.. and shows IP Cop being above the rest.. :) |
| 09:43.17 | Ace2016_- | is it possible to use rsync for backups so that it saves versions of files? every time a file is updated the old version is saved |
| 09:43.28 | Ace2016_- | and rsync automatically knows what i'm modifying and backs it up for me |
| 09:43.56 | DonAlex | bolt-work: I just had a look at the tar.gz really does look like a bunch of source files.. am I missing something? |
| 09:44.18 | Gm4n | bolt-work: thing is, I'm booted into a rescue system, and mounting my real system on /mnt/md0 :( |
| 09:44.46 | bolt-work | DonAlex: not sure. i just poked around at bit at what source files there actually were, and most of them don't seem like stuff that goes on top of a working linux install |
| 09:44.57 | bolt-work | Gm4n: chroot |
| 09:45.01 | bolt-work | Gm4n: then run update-grub |
| 09:45.06 | Gm4n | omg, it booted |
| 09:45.08 | Gm4n | hahaha |
| 09:45.08 | bolt-work | Gm4n: or just edit the file manually |
| 09:45.14 | Gm4n | 3am, when I have to get up at 6 |
| 09:45.16 | Gm4n | but I"m so happy :) |
| 09:45.24 | Gm4n | ty bolt-work :) |
| 09:45.51 | bolt-work | Gm4n: one never sleeps better than after fixing a huge problem :) |
| 09:46.04 | bolt-work | Gm4n: computer geek's sweet deam inducer |
| 09:46.55 | *** join/#debian annma (n=annma@AToulouse-256-1-172-197.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:47.24 | DonAlex | bolt-work: No? Well what does it require? A running Linux kernel yes.. but any special binaries you need to make? Must admit seems a tad confusing. And why not Debian.. we can make a barebone Debian install easy.. done it loads of times before.. (debootstrpa is sooooo cool btw) :) |
| 09:47.27 | *** join/#debian marmuta (n=user@p57BBA30D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:47.53 | *** part/#debian Guest59536 (n=bor@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 09:47.54 | annma | thanks debian_noob for your comment about KDE in #kde |
| 09:48.05 | annma | very constructive |
| 09:48.10 | *** join/#debian alcohol (n=bor@unaffiliated/alcohol) |
| 09:48.11 | alcohol | fucking |
| 09:48.32 | alcohol | each time I get logged out by services I have to part and rejoin cause I can't change my nick in here when I am unidentified :< |
| 09:48.42 | *** join/#debian si0ux (n=si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) |
| 09:48.59 | IamSOG | :o oh |
| 09:49.09 | debian_noob | annma:you also hate kde? |
| 09:49.19 | DonAlex | bolt-work: Whoa.. look at what I found in the make.sh :) http://pastebin.com/m5688dca6 |
| 09:49.22 | annma | sure, I develop it |
| 09:49.23 | Gm4n | haha, it's true bolt-work :) |
| 09:49.28 | Gm4n | now I just have to upgrade it to lenny |
| 09:49.36 | Gm4n | and get the whole thing setup :-/ |
| 09:49.40 | annma | although I don't come into channels and say 'I hate this' |
| 09:49.51 | annma | then run away as a coward |
| 09:50.12 | DonAlex | bolt-work: I really think you just build it on a normal box.. |
| 09:50.14 | annma | debian_noob: in Linux you have the choice for everything |
| 09:50.18 | Gm4n | is it normal for a aptitude install to have a score of -281? |
| 09:50.21 | debian_noob | annma:you use GNOME? |
| 09:50.21 | Gm4n | that seems kinda, well, bad |
| 09:50.24 | annma | the only thing is to respect |
| 09:50.34 | annma | I develop KDE and use it debian_noob |
| 09:50.40 | annma | but I RESPECT gnome |
| 09:50.44 | DonAlex | bolt-work: That is actually kinda neat.. more old school like it used to be :D |
| 09:50.47 | annma | RESPECT |
| 09:50.52 | debian_noob | annma:sorry |
| 09:50.54 | *** join/#debian fschwidom (n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-165-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:51.01 | annma | debian_noob: reflect on that and don't act as a stupid person |
| 09:51.07 | debian_noob | annma:i hope you can make KDE better |
| 09:51.10 | annma | it's also true in real life |
| 09:51.29 | annma | always respect different people, different views |
| 09:51.40 | debian_noob | annma:thats good |
| 09:51.43 | annma | and always be constructive: tell me make better in what |
| 09:52.00 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:52.15 | debian_noob | annma:earlier i used kde but when i used gnome i thought it was better |
| 09:52.16 | annma | so please next time do not act like a 5 years old in saying in #kde that you hate it |
| 09:52.26 | debian_noob | annma:yeah sorry |
| 09:52.27 | annma | tell me what you hate in kde |
| 09:52.38 | *** join/#debian reserpinity (n=sauvin@c-98-213-78-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 09:52.42 | debian_noob | annma:the windows style start menu |
| 09:52.48 | annma | tell me what kde version you used |
| 09:52.57 | debian_noob | i dunno that |
| 09:53.02 | annma | windows style? because panel is bottom? |
| 09:53.22 | debian_noob | yeah |
| 09:53.30 | debian_noob | and big icons |
| 09:53.33 | debian_noob | i dont like |
| 09:53.42 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=term@f053005193.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:53.46 | debian_noob | but then many may like it |
| 09:53.47 | annma | OK what else |
| 09:54.05 | annma | (you can tweak that at your taste) |
| 09:54.12 | annma | you can put panel at top and make it small |
| 09:54.17 | annma | what else? |
| 09:55.19 | annma | that's all you hate in kde? |
| 09:55.30 | debian_noob | i dont like the panel at all |
| 09:55.44 | annma | you can remove it, change it |
| 09:56.00 | debian_noob | ok |
| 09:56.02 | annma | especially in kde4 which I think you did not try |
| 09:56.06 | debian_noob | but now i use gnome |
| 09:56.08 | annma | what else? |
| 09:56.12 | annma | yes, fine |
| 09:56.16 | debian_noob | nothing else |
| 09:56.25 | annma | OK so no big deal |
| 09:56.32 | debian_noob | annma best of luck to develop KDE |
| 09:56.49 | annma | KDE is the most free project to be in |
| 09:57.06 | annma | you need to know that |
| 09:57.14 | annma | it has no ruler |
| 09:57.22 | annma | anyone can get in |
| 09:57.28 | debian_noob | right |
| 09:57.32 | debian_noob | but not me |
| 09:57.35 | annma | as long as you have an idea and are willing to do it |
| 09:57.38 | *** join/#debian angie (n=angie@unaffiliated/angie) |
| 09:58.02 | debian_noob | i dont have any idea |
| 09:58.16 | annma | I am the proof of it so whatever YOU like and dislike you don't need to come tell us |
| 09:58.22 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@pD9565765.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:58.27 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-46-162.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:58.32 | *** join/#debian finrod (n=finrod@88.198.5.81) |
| 09:58.36 | angie | how do i move from ubuntu to debian without reinstalling |
| 09:58.40 | debian_noob | i am a 14 year old |
| 09:58.40 | debian_noob | and i am a noob |
| 09:58.40 | debian_noob | debian_noob |
| 09:58.50 | *** join/#debian Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 09:58.52 | *** join/#debian _bbinotto_ (n=kvirc@62-2-214-5.static.cablecom.ch) |
| 09:58.53 | annma | ah I see why you acted as a 5 years old |
| 09:59.09 | debian_noob | i already said sorry |
| 09:59.33 | annma | OK |
| 10:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 10:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 10:00.16 | angie | how do i move from ubuntu to debian without reinstalling |
| 10:00.28 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=kvirc@host149-49-static.29-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:00.30 | *** join/#debian cedric_b (n=cedric@ANantes-158-1-108-28.w86-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:01.01 | alcohol | angie: get a different computer |
| 10:01.09 | angie | alcohol: that sdumb |
| 10:01.20 | alcohol | angie: so is your reply |
| 10:01.30 | debian_noob | angie:install in a separate partition |
| 10:01.43 | angie | ur point being? |
| 10:01.54 | angie | debian_noob: no |
| 10:02.00 | alcohol | angie: making a point is moot |
| 10:02.04 | alcohol | angie: just stating the obvious |
| 10:02.26 | alcohol | angie: you can't move. period. |
| 10:02.36 | debian_noob | yes you cant |
| 10:02.46 | debian_noob | format and reinstall |
| 10:02.53 | alcohol | ubuntu owns your soul. |
| 10:03.30 | debian_noob | alcohol:what do you mean? |
| 10:03.47 | alcohol | don't have a clue. |
| 10:03.49 | angie | i want to just switch my ubuntu stuff to debian |
| 10:03.51 | angie | so it runs debian proper |
| 10:03.51 | angie | i guess its just repos |
| 10:04.04 | angie | tru |
| 10:04.06 | *** part/#debian angie (n=angie@unaffiliated/angie) |
| 10:04.29 | alcohol | angie: that's like saying, "oh I want to switch from apples to bananes. I guess the difference is only in the color. |
| 10:04.42 | meborc | angie, you could change your repos, but then you would have a package manager PANIC.. it would be a mess... |
| 10:05.08 | sfuentes | angie: just reinstall |
| 10:05.15 | meborc | angie left :) |
| 10:05.27 | sfuentes | lol missed that part :) |
| 10:05.30 | alcohol | she will surely be missed |
| 10:05.36 | alcohol | sfuentes: conference mode? :> |
| 10:05.50 | sfuentes | yup |
| 10:06.03 | alcohol | <3 conference mode |
| 10:08.12 | *** join/#debian prdelka (n=400ml@segfault.net) |
| 10:08.48 | vonsp | о, клаÑно во ÑлайÑжиÑе ÑамолеÑÑ ÐºÑÑлÑÑми маÑÑÑ ) |
| 10:09.01 | enouf | what silly terminology - needs to be flushed |
| 10:09.14 | enouf | !ru |
| 10:09.14 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:09.18 | vonsp | oh, sorry |
| 10:09.27 | enouf | no prob |
| 10:09.33 | vonsp | missed irc network ( |
| 10:09.38 | *** join/#debian amphi (n=amphi@unaffiliated/amphi) |
| 10:09.43 | enouf | my comment wasn't about your post |
| 10:10.13 | alcohol | you think conference mode does not apply? |
| 10:14.01 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 10:14.17 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (n=wurscht@p4FD8E7B5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:14.32 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@63.214.229.40) |
| 10:14.43 | *** join/#debian bullgard5 (n=detlef@p5B259C1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:17.22 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=nyhc@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 10:18.14 | *** join/#debian h3king (i=jerry@123.175.22.89) |
| 10:18.43 | *** join/#debian prdelka (n=400ml@segfault.net) |
| 10:20.15 | *** join/#debian efaistos (n=efaistos@gut75-2-82-66-247-115.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:21.31 | *** join/#debian prdelka (n=400ml@segfault.net) |
| 10:21.57 | *** join/#debian prdelka (n=400ml@segfault.net) |
| 10:22.26 | *** join/#debian Blue-Omega (n=null@about/cooking/nakedchef/omelette/Blue-Omega) |
| 10:23.43 | *** join/#debian mohadib (n=mohadib@c-67-164-150-232.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 10:23.50 | mohadib | i have 3 displays, when i try to play quake or doom the mouse wont stay in the game |
| 10:23.59 | mohadib | is it possible to make the mouse stay in one window? |
| 10:24.22 | *** join/#debian sk4_ (n=anon@shpd-92-101-130-103.vologda.ru) |
| 10:24.28 | debian_noob | which linux? |
| 10:24.34 | mohadib | debian etch |
| 10:25.00 | debian_noob | mohadib:you could ask on ##linux |
| 10:25.06 | mohadib | ok, thanks |
| 10:26.39 | *** join/#debian binrapt (i=binrapt@unaffiliated/binrapt) |
| 10:29.10 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@124.13.3.99) |
| 10:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 10:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 10:30.54 | *** join/#debian nihil (n=mh@unaffiliated/nihil) |
| 10:32.59 | *** join/#debian bas-i (n=bas-i@kbl-gs18113.zeelandnet.nl) |
| 10:33.11 | *** join/#debian Shadowdancer (n=kvirc@metal.informatik.uni-kl.de) |
| 10:33.27 | Shadowdancer | !lenny |
| 10:33.28 | *** join/#debian neighborlee (i=neighbor@c-24-16-17-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 10:33.28 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 10:33.34 | Shadowdancer | !wwlr |
| 10:33.35 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 10:35.06 | Shadowdancer | *sigh* just unfreeze it again :-/ |
| 10:35.45 | *** join/#debian ndrs__ (n=andres@89.100.139.174) |
| 10:36.15 | Rawplayer | hi Shadowdancer |
| 10:36.21 | Rawplayer | you remember me from a old game |
| 10:36.25 | Rawplayer | ninja game |
| 10:36.27 | Shadowdancer | I do? |
| 10:36.30 | *** join/#debian H2S04 (n=H2SO4@c-76-25-58-206.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 10:36.31 | Shadowdancer | no I don't |
| 10:38.42 | *** join/#debian spain (n=javier@62.57.174.141.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 10:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 858] by debhelper |
| 10:39.15 | *** join/#debian PaInKiLlEr_ (n=Holocaus@189.127.176.13) |
| 10:39.30 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 10:40.09 | spain | I need some help, I am using an application based on firefox, celtx, and I cannot use its internet services, for some reason it is not allowed to reach internet, although I can connect to internet with my browser. I am using lenny, any help? it can be some proxy problem but unable to solve it |
| 10:41.01 | *** join/#debian H2S04 (n=H2SO4@c-76-25-58-206.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 10:41.25 | *** join/#debian i-bas (n=bas-i@kbl-gs18113.zeelandnet.nl) |
| 10:42.37 | *** join/#debian goksin (n=goksin@88.227.78.208) |
| 10:43.19 | valdyn | spain: why not "allowed" ? |
| 10:44.24 | spain | valdyn: for some reason the program cannot use internet services, don't know why, couldn't find any log; developers suggest something with the proxy but I use no proxy, although I have a dhcp address, could be that |
| 10:45.48 | nox-Hand | I get this error when installing ANY deb file: |
| 10:45.58 | nox-Hand | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown user `debian-transmission' in statoverride file |
| 10:45.58 | dpkg | You are moron #25, nox-Hand |
| 10:46.11 | nox-Hand | Thankyou dpkg bot |
| 10:46.17 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B25B8F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:46.23 | nox-Hand | Not sure what to do? =\ |
| 10:46.38 | *** part/#debian mmc (n=michal@83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 10:46.44 | *** join/#debian Borbus (n=Borbus@borbus.kicks-ass.net) |
| 10:47.24 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.197.8) |
| 10:47.28 | valdyn | spain: can you access anything via ip instead of name in the celtx? |
| 10:47.39 | DonAlex | nox-Hand: sounds like corruption in one of the preinst or post inst files. |
| 10:47.49 | spain | with celtx I can't access anything over the internet |
| 10:48.04 | DonAlex | nox-Hand: you had a disk crash recently? Or some other such event? |
| 10:48.08 | valdyn | spain: have you actually tried accessing anything via ip? |
| 10:48.24 | spain | valdyn: what do you mean via ip? |
| 10:48.44 | valdyn | spain: thats an ip 216.239.59.104 |
| 10:48.54 | DonAlex | nox-Hand: I had a failing cf card that slowly corrupted my status and .info files.. |
| 10:48.55 | valdyn | spain: and that is a name google.de |
| 10:49.17 | spain | valdyn: I know what is an IP, the problem is that celtx is an application, I can't devide how it accesses the internet |
| 10:49.22 | enouf | nox-Hand: how are you installing the .deb? and why? |
| 10:49.28 | *** join/#debian Mordbrann (n=Mordbran@adsl-75-61-77-232.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:49.43 | *** join/#debian efaistos (n=efaistos@gut75-2-82-66-247-115.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:50.05 | enouf | spain: via means; by way of |
| 10:50.48 | valdyn | spain: and you also dont know what it is trying to access? |
| 10:51.04 | *** join/#debian alekibango (i=foobar@ip-89-102-212-42.karneval.cz) |
| 10:51.10 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 10:51.39 | *** join/#debian bofur (n=bofur@office.euronet.nl) |
| 10:51.42 | *** part/#debian sfuentes (n=fuentesj@cpe-76-90-194-49.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 10:52.07 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@host80-150-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:52.43 | *** join/#debian afiestas (n=afiestas@88.87.212.210) |
| 10:52.53 | valdyn | seems to work fine for me |
| 10:53.04 | valdyn | spain: are you on debian etch? |
| 10:53.09 | spain | valdyn: I am checking their website now, they suggest that I allow HTTPS (port 443) access to render.celtx.com. For upload/download (etc.), the client needs HTTPS access to publish.celtx.com. |
| 10:53.19 | spain | valdyn: I am using lenny, not etch |
| 10:53.22 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 10:53.31 | spain | valdyn: do you use celtx? |
| 10:53.35 | valdyn | spain: no |
| 10:53.47 | valdyn | spain: but i just downloaded it and ran it |
| 10:53.54 | spain | valdyn: ah ok |
| 10:54.16 | spain | valdyn: in my case I have a computer at my work with lenny, and it works ok, here it doesn't |
| 10:54.39 | valdyn | spain: i dont know your firewall settings |
| 10:54.42 | spain | valdyn; the only difference is that I have a linksys wireless router at home, perhaps I have to do something |
| 10:54.49 | valdyn | spain: but celtx does not get special treatment |
| 10:55.08 | *** join/#debian kryptoz (n=kryptoz@221.135.191.222) |
| 10:55.32 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 10:55.43 | spain | valdyn: perhaps I must configure my linksys router? |
| 10:55.49 | valdyn | spain: no |
| 10:56.12 | spain | valdyn: then what must I do, perhaps some services? |
| 10:56.16 | valdyn | spain: try accessing those sites with your standard webbrowser |
| 10:56.29 | spain | valdyn: wait |
| 10:56.36 | valdyn | spain: using https is very basic, its not something you need to enable |
| 10:57.23 | spain | valdyn: ah, even with my basic browser I cannot connect to https://render.celtx.com/ |
| 10:57.30 | valdyn | spain: https://publish.celtx.com/ gives coxeter.greyfirst.net |
| 10:58.08 | valdyn | spain: and https://render.celtx.com/ gives just render.celtx.com |
| 10:58.23 | spain | valdyn: it's https, it's not working in my box, what must I do to make https work? |
| 10:58.37 | valdyn | spain: nothing |
| 10:58.42 | *** join/#debian empiric (n=empiric@125.209.118.102) |
| 10:58.49 | valdyn | spain: try https://mail.google.com/ |
| 10:59.12 | enouf | missing ssl support? wtf? |
| 10:59.25 | spain | valdyn: wait, it gave me an error of security, but adding an exception in ff3 I can now access |
| 11:00.02 | *** join/#debian Bagualas (n=pedro@189.7.110.193) |
| 11:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 11:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 11:00.17 | nox-Hand | DonAlex: enouf I am installing the app with apt-get install. |
| 11:00.41 | enouf | nox-Hand: pastebin command and full output |
| 11:01.17 | spain | valdyn: I can access without problem to https://mail.google.com/ but celtx servers have wrong certificates, that's why my ff3 generated an error |
| 11:01.37 | valdyn | spain: run "ldd celtix-bin | grep found" and show the output |
| 11:01.43 | valdyn | spain: oops |
| 11:01.52 | valdyn | spain: ldd celtx-bin | grep found |
| 11:02.07 | *** join/#debian MindCr (n=MindCr@75.Red-81-33-231.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:02.19 | spain | valdyn: I added an exception to ff3 and now I can access https://render.celtx.com/ |
| 11:02.33 | *** join/#debian emachado (n=edjunior@201.82.64.173) |
| 11:02.48 | enouf | spain: uname -a says? please |
| 11:03.06 | *** join/#debian segosa (n=a@client-81-98-19-193.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) |
| 11:03.18 | spain | valdyn: the result of this ldd is not found for libmozjs.so libxpcom.so libxpcom_core.so libplds4.so libplc4.so libnspr4.so libsmime3.so libssl3.so libnss3.so libsoftokn3.so libxpcom_compat.so |
| 11:03.23 | valdyn | enouf: that software ships its own libssl btw |
| 11:03.36 | enouf | oh dear .. heh |
| 11:03.43 | spain | valdyn: uname -a is Linux debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 17:25:36 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 11:03.59 | *** join/#debian Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 11:04.18 | valdyn | spain: looks fine |
| 11:04.35 | enouf | twas thinking older possible dsa1573 issues with older -5 etch kernels and such .. nm |
| 11:04.35 | spain | valdyn: what about thos not found libraries? |
| 11:04.50 | Bagualas | my CUPS isnt asking for admin passwd on Admnistration, what can that be? |
| 11:04.56 | valdyn | spain: look into the current directory, they are all there |
| 11:05.16 | *** join/#debian zyon (n=zyon@dslb-088-070-147-216.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:05.34 | spain | ah yes they are there, so I suppose it will find them there |
| 11:05.41 | nox-Hand | enouf: Sorry, phone call. Was about to explain that the files, transmission-daemon, transmission-cli and transmission-common have previously been run by manually downloaded beta2 .debs, installed with dpkg -i, and then apt-get remove to delete them again |
| 11:05.47 | nox-Hand | That's when the troubles started coming along |
| 11:05.47 | spain | valdyn: so about the problem, I can't access the internet |
| 11:06.29 | valdyn | spain: and you are not getting an error message.. |
| 11:06.42 | spain | valdyn: there is this page commenting about internet errors: http://celtx.com/support.html |
| 11:07.22 | valdyn | spain: useless |
| 11:07.46 | spain | valdyn: no, I am only getting an empty splashpage, I can open projects but get no communication from the internet |
| 11:07.50 | valdyn | spain: maybe your router is broken, that would make it a non-debian issue |
| 11:07.50 | enouf | suspects 32bit chroot mess |
| 11:08.06 | valdyn | enouf: it works fine without chroot |
| 11:08.26 | valdyn | spain: did you setup a chroot for this? |
| 11:08.34 | enouf | valdyn: you're on amd64 i take it? |
| 11:08.39 | spain | valdyn: a chroot? no I didn't |
| 11:08.44 | valdyn | enouf: yea, same as he is |
| 11:08.48 | enouf | aye |
| 11:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 864] by debhelper |
| 11:09.04 | *** join/#debian khaleel5000 (n=khaleel@116.71.69.125) |
| 11:09.12 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 11:09.16 | nox-Hand | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1315611 |
| 11:09.33 | nox-Hand | enouf: Same error with all apt-get installs, like irssi, etc |
| 11:09.34 | spain | valdyn: what do you mean my router broken? |
| 11:09.35 | enouf | (although - we only know for sure his kernel is 64, his userland might be 32, but not that it would matter) |
| 11:09.47 | valdyn | spain: router mangling network traffic |
| 11:09.56 | spain | valdyn: my router works perfectly for anything, only celtx is not working |
| 11:10.31 | *** join/#debian superjet_busy (n=superjet@wikimedia/Crewlay) |
| 11:10.41 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (i=kodess@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 11:10.42 | enouf | spain: i know FF has an "Offline mode" .. possible celtx does too? |
| 11:10.48 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (n=havoc@SE400.PPPoE-4902.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 11:11.01 | spain | valdyn: there is something, in celtx when I enter in preferences of internet, I can select direct connection to internet or autodetect proxy |
| 11:11.29 | *** join/#debian gusnan (n=gusnan@h160n4c1o269.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 11:11.29 | *** join/#debian S-i-A (n=sia@unaffiliated/s-i-a) |
| 11:11.38 | valdyn | spain: leave it at direct |
| 11:11.50 | spain | valdyn: ok |
| 11:12.03 | enouf | nox-Hand: you'll need to visit the appropiate #ubuntu channel , or ##linux even |
| 11:13.01 | spain | valdyn: is there anything I can do to allow access to ssl for this case? or this has nothing to do with the problem? |
| 11:13.08 | *** join/#debian rod_ (n=rod@cm1341785-a.maast1.lb.home.nl) |
| 11:13.11 | valdyn | spain: ssl is allowed |
| 11:13.20 | rod_ | hi, im looking for the brasero channel? |
| 11:13.27 | valdyn | spain: firefox works, your network is fine |
| 11:13.33 | spain | valdyn: ok then what can you suggest me? |
| 11:13.42 | enouf | spain: do you have issues with all HTTPS sites? or just that celtx one? or ... hrm is 'dirmgr' installed? (it manages certificate revocation lists) |
| 11:13.50 | *** part/#debian Ongavezir (n=afsociet@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 11:14.10 | valdyn | spain: this application is a piece of shit as it gives no error messages |
| 11:14.16 | *** join/#debian amaldo (n=maldonad@pdpc/supporter/student/amaldo) |
| 11:14.20 | valdyn | spain: not for wrong passwords, nothing |
| 11:14.57 | spain | valdyn: I think you can launch it in debug mode |
| 11:15.09 | spain | enouf: I can't find dirmgr as a package |
| 11:15.16 | *** join/#debian iesahin (n=user@nbiesahin.cs.bilkent.edu.tr) |
| 11:15.44 | enouf | judd: versions dirmgr |
| 11:15.45 | judd | enouf: dirmgr -- |
| 11:15.49 | enouf | judd: versions dirmngr |
| 11:15.55 | judd | enouf: dirmngr -- etch: 0.9.6-1+b1 lenny: 1.0.1-3 sid: 1.0.2-1 |
| 11:16.04 | enouf | i missed the n in it |
| 11:16.36 | spain | enouf: yes with the missing n I have it instaled |
| 11:16.38 | enouf | !info dirmngr |
| 11:16.40 | *** join/#debian blahdeblah-lap (n=paulgear@203-214-36-38.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:16.58 | blahdeblah-lap | Hi. Is there anything more drastic than 'reboot -f' to get a system rebooted (remotely)? |
| 11:17.06 | dpkg | dirmngr: (server for managing certificate revocation lists), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 808 kB |
| 11:17.24 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: Depends how cleanly you want to do it? |
| 11:17.42 | blahdeblah-lap | DonAlex: Not too worried about super cleanly at the moment |
| 11:18.25 | blahdeblah-lap | I obviously have some processes hanging on I/O, so i suspect syncs would not work |
| 11:18.55 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: Wel if you have sysrq on the remote kernel I have used ssh root@<machine> echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 11:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 870] by debhelper |
| 11:19.05 | valdyn | spain: ./celtx -jconsole |
| 11:19.06 | *** join/#debian nepse (n=opera@ti541210a080-1690.bb.online.no) |
| 11:19.10 | blahdeblah-lap | Cool - i might give that a try |
| 11:19.12 | blahdeblah-lap | Thanks DonAlex |
| 11:19.12 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: Instant reboot but very naughty |
| 11:19.17 | enouf | blahdeblah-lap: wait |
| 11:19.20 | *** join/#debian t0h (n=tommi@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-fe0cdf00-1.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 11:19.22 | spain | valdyn: yes I saw it using celtx --help |
| 11:19.28 | enouf | use s then u , then finally b |
| 11:19.32 | spain | valdyn: but no warning about the internet |
| 11:19.43 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: I'd at least >try< to ync the disks.. |
| 11:19.47 | blahdeblah-lap | enouf: The s part is likely to fail, since i suspect the problem is a USB hard disk |
| 11:19.58 | valdyn | spain: why do you think its not working? |
| 11:20.06 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: For the remove of the USB modules then. |
| 11:20.08 | enouf | so .. let it fail .. |
| 11:20.14 | valdyn | spain: you arent getting an error, the log shows no error, whats wrong? |
| 11:20.17 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: Force sorry |
| 11:20.28 | blahdeblah-lap | enouf: OK - will check it out |
| 11:20.30 | *** join/#debian x1250 (n=daniel@pc-225-92-104-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 11:20.30 | blahdeblah-lap | THanks for your help |
| 11:20.35 | spain | valdyn: I imagine it must have some kind of problem with my linksys router, it's the only thing left as I see |
| 11:20.41 | DonAlex | blahdeblah-lap: Sure.. no worries. |
| 11:20.54 | valdyn | spain: that is not likely |
| 11:21.05 | *** part/#debian blahdeblah-lap (n=paulgear@203-214-36-38.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:21.06 | spain | valdyn: also could be that I am using kde and it likes more gnome |
| 11:21.10 | DonAlex | enouf: I have had to do that from my mobile phone using putty one time ;) Very handy really. :P |
| 11:21.15 | valdyn | spain: thats nonsense |
| 11:21.28 | *** join/#debian vara2009 (i=vara@78.47.70.38) |
| 11:21.41 | spain | valdyn: or something related to locales, I get this error Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
| 11:21.43 | enouf | <enouf> spain: do you have issues with all HTTPS sites? or just that celtx one? |
| 11:21.51 | valdyn | spain: thats irrelevant |
| 11:22.03 | spain | enouf: never had any problem with any https |
| 11:22.23 | *** join/#debian ia (n=ia@89.169.165.188) |
| 11:22.37 | valdyn | spain: you arent telling me what i ask, which is what exactly is failing |
| 11:22.46 | spain | valdyn: in fact I tried yesterday this same application in my other computer at work and run nicely |
| 11:22.48 | *** part/#debian amaldo (n=maldonad@pdpc/supporter/student/amaldo) |
| 11:23.00 | spain | valdyn: exactly internet connection is failing |
| 11:23.06 | valdyn | spain: no |
| 11:23.11 | enouf | spain: see if you can run dpkg-reconfigure dirmngr on it -- pay attention to the dialogs, .. although .. if everything else works ok, it's the application, or it's config |
| 11:23.13 | valdyn | spain: its not, you dont know that |
| 11:23.29 | valdyn | spain: you are getting an error in celtx, that is the error. |
| 11:23.43 | valdyn | spain: internet is already a conclusion, i cant work with your conclusions |
| 11:23.44 | spain | valdyn: this program is supposed to show you a splash page of info grabbed from the internet, and this info is not showing up |
| 11:24.13 | *** join/#debian SpellWeaver (n=virus@203.199.213.3) |
| 11:24.38 | enouf | spain: <spain> enouf: never had any problem with any https <== doesn't answer my question |
| 11:24.46 | spain | valdyn: this info in the splash page is not https related, it's shown generally, when I want to use services then I must identify my user and then https starts, but my splash page isn't working in any case |
| 11:25.32 | valdyn | spain: so the splash screen just isnt showing and we have NO idea at all if that is a network issue |
| 11:25.49 | spain | valdyn: what else could that be ? |
| 11:26.17 | enouf | cookies, blocked redirects - heck even noflash, no script plugins |
| 11:26.40 | enouf | or any of 1000 other things |
| 11:27.02 | enouf | learn tcpdump |
| 11:27.05 | spain | valdyn: the celtx application is working nicely, I can use it, it doesn't stop working, only when I try any internet related task, it stops |
| 11:27.12 | valdyn | spain: that splash screen: http://valdyn.org/~valdyn/celtix.png ? |
| 11:27.47 | enouf | internet == dns, isp, etc .. so look there too |
| 11:27.58 | spain | valdyn: yes, that splash screen, I don't get the pow nor the "art of workflow" |
| 11:28.12 | enouf | which is why he suggested VIA IP! |
| 11:28.19 | spain | valdyn: for me these areas are blank |
| 11:28.22 | enouf | well, one reason/test |
| 11:28.29 | valdyn | enouf: his net seems fine from firefox |
| 11:28.40 | *** join/#debian sema4r (n=user@p57B8114B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:28.52 | *** join/#debian metbsd (n=AXT@n220246040154.netvigator.com) |
| 11:28.55 | spain | yes, from firefox I access internet nicely |
| 11:29.16 | valdyn | spain: do you have *any* other 32-bit application installed? |
| 11:29.18 | enouf | and yet can't access https://mail.google.com? no idea why FF is even being mentioned here , but ok |
| 11:29.20 | metbsd | how do i reinitialize mysql server |
| 11:29.32 | spain | valdyn: hmmm don't know why? |
| 11:29.38 | *** join/#debian lagann_ (n=gnome@c-24-61-116-81.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 11:29.44 | enouf | spain: file /bin/ls |
| 11:29.53 | spain | enouf: YES i CAN access https://mail.google.com |
| 11:29.55 | MatBoy | sorry guys, I need this one ;) |
| 11:29.57 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 11:29.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 11:30.03 | valdyn | spain: get the 32-bit version of firefox from mozilla.com, extract it, run it, see if that one works |
| 11:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 11:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 11:30.08 | enouf | spain: so .. it's not an https issue then |
| 11:30.15 | *** join/#debian r4ban (n=anonym@201.143.243.223.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) |
| 11:30.24 | spain | /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 11:30.36 | spain | sorry, valdyn, that's the file /bin/ls dump |
| 11:30.47 | enouf | ok, all 64kernel + userland, that's done |
| 11:30.54 | *** join/#debian pihhan (n=pihhan@p194.fei.wifi.vutbr.cz) |
| 11:30.56 | *** join/#debian Xunie (n=Xunie@5354C6EA.cable.casema.nl) |
| 11:31.38 | spain | valdyn: will try the 32bit version now |
| 11:31.58 | spain | valdyn: in any case, I think celtx is based on firefox2 and now I have firefox3 installed |
| 11:32.13 | valdyn | spain: that doesnt matter to me |
| 11:32.13 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 11:32.34 | spain | valdyn: ok, will install the 32 bits but firefox 3 I understand |
| 11:32.52 | spain | valdyn: not install, just try in local user space |
| 11:32.58 | valdyn | spain: aye |
| 11:34.19 | spain | valdyn: oh how can I get the 32 bit one? I can't find a list of builds |
| 11:34.39 | *** join/#debian bazyl (n=bazyl@hgb178.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:34.43 | valdyn | spain: i didnt think mozilla.com even offers a 64-bit build |
| 11:34.49 | bazyl | hi everyone! |
| 11:34.54 | metbsd | how does debian know that i have a previous mysql install anyway |
| 11:34.55 | metbsd | fuck |
| 11:35.05 | bazyl | how are your systems today ;) |
| 11:35.06 | valdyn | spain: i686 = 32-bit |
| 11:35.06 | spain | valdyn: do you mean I just gthe the one offered to me? |
| 11:35.42 | valdyn | spain: probably |
| 11:35.51 | spain | valdyn: ok |
| 11:36.48 | *** join/#debian flower (n=d@cc305009-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 11:36.53 | *** join/#debian sylar (n=sylar@bzq-79-176-36-248.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 11:37.30 | *** join/#debian ghaleb (n=ghaleb@a38-104.adsl.paltel.net) |
| 11:37.58 | valdyn | spain: now i hope 32-bit firefox wont work and my theory is correct.. |
| 11:38.12 | spain | valdyn: I think it's not working |
| 11:38.24 | valdyn | spain: ok, perfect |
| 11:38.35 | valdyn | spain: but please confirm 100% that its not working.. |
| 11:38.38 | spain | valdyn: you're correct |
| 11:38.38 | flower | I build a custom debian-live cd and installed it. but I can only login as root, help needed here |
| 11:39.15 | spain | valdyn: confirmed, not working |
| 11:39.36 | valdyn | spain: dpkg -l libc6-i386 ia32-libs lib32nss-mdns ia32-libs-libnss3 |
| 11:39.46 | spain | valdyn: not even finding google.com |
| 11:40.14 | spain | package not found lib32nss-mdns. ia32-libs-libnss3. |
| 11:40.20 | Xunie | flower, Do you have a password on the account you want to login on? |
| 11:40.33 | valdyn | spain: install lib32nss-mdns |
| 11:40.54 | Xunie | flower, You can check this with the command 'cat /etc/shadow | grep [user]' |
| 11:40.54 | spain | valdyn: from stable? |
| 11:41.06 | valdyn | spain: you said you were running lenny |
| 11:41.06 | enouf | i fucken knew mdns was involved ... that shit |
| 11:41.16 | spain | valdyn: yes, I run lenny |
| 11:41.16 | valdyn | spain: so install it from lenny, naturally |
| 11:41.29 | spain | valdyn: no pkg in lenny |
| 11:41.52 | valdyn | spain: sure its in lenny |
| 11:41.58 | valdyn | !info lib32nss-mdns lenny |
| 11:42.19 | valdyn | spain: oo, its not |
| 11:42.23 | spain | no it's not |
| 11:42.29 | valdyn | what the fuck |
| 11:42.32 | spain | then I will grab it from stable |
| 11:42.32 | enouf | judd: versions lib32nss-mdns |
| 11:42.33 | judd | enouf: lib32nss-mdns -- |
| 11:42.35 | valdyn | spain: no |
| 11:42.38 | spain | better than nothing |
| 11:42.41 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@63.214.229.40) |
| 11:42.48 | spain | valdyn: ok, will not |
| 11:42.51 | valdyn | spain: sids version probably, let me check |
| 11:42.57 | valdyn | !info lib32nss-mdns sid |
| 11:43.05 | flower | Xunie: I got the username with a code if I hit that command |
| 11:43.10 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host15.190-30-186.telecom.net.ar) |
| 11:43.22 | enouf | judd: versions ia32-libs-libnss3 |
| 11:43.23 | judd | enouf: ia32-libs-libnss3 -- |
| 11:43.38 | Xunie | flower, do you see something like 'Ajfl4k3tnvdfa0uvt42nga23kvfm.' or something linke that? |
| 11:44.05 | spain | ah yes, I have ia32-libs-libnss3 available |
| 11:44.08 | valdyn | spain: yea, the sid version please |
| 11:44.17 | flower | Xunie: yes and with some $ ... and ::: and number sign |
| 11:44.21 | *** join/#debian Ancho (n=Ancho@unaffiliated/ancho) |
| 11:44.21 | spain | valdyn: I have ia32-libs-libnss3 available |
| 11:44.26 | valdyn | spain: its possible that that one works, but i doubt it,i dont even have that installed |
| 11:44.29 | Xunie | flower, ok... Then you have a password... |
| 11:44.44 | spain | valdyn: what about ia32-libs-libnss3 |
| 11:44.51 | valdyn | spain: its possible that that one works, but i doubt it,i dont even have that installed |
| 11:44.55 | Xunie | do you see something like /sbin/nologin on that line or /bin/bash or /bin/sh or /bin/csh ? |
| 11:44.59 | enouf | judd: versions ia32-libs-libnss3 --arch amd64 |
| 11:45.00 | judd | enouf: ia32-libs-libnss3 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.12.0-0.1 sid-multimedia: 3.12.0-0.1 |
| 11:45.20 | flower | Xunie: no |
| 11:45.30 | enouf | judd: versions lib32nss-mdns --arch amd64 |
| 11:45.32 | judd | enouf: lib32nss-mdns -- lenny: 0.10-3 sid: 0.10-3 |
| 11:45.32 | valdyn | spain: i have lib32nss-mdns from sid, it works, or at least celtx works on this system |
| 11:45.41 | Xunie | flower, Ah, There is the problem... |
| 11:45.45 | spain | valdyn: ok let me try |
| 11:45.52 | Xunie | run 'chsh [user] |
| 11:46.01 | *** join/#debian johndoe (n=john@93-136-78-96.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 11:46.02 | Xunie | without the ' ofcourse! |
| 11:46.33 | flower | Xunie: ok and try again? |
| 11:46.36 | *** join/#debian vchrizz1 (i=vchrizz@ns3.onetrix.net) |
| 11:47.05 | Xunie | flower, check your PM ;-) |
| 11:47.29 | valdyn | enouf: maybe multi off in /etc/hosts.conf would fix it also ? |
| 11:47.41 | valdyn | enouf: host.conf even |
| 11:47.57 | spain | valdyn: OOOOHHHHH IT WORKS!!!! |
| 11:48.11 | enouf | valdyn: was thinking that too - the /etc/nsswitch.conf file |
| 11:48.13 | spain | valdyn: THANK YOU!!!! |
| 11:48.35 | valdyn | enouf: nvm, wrong track |
| 11:48.55 | Xunie | Maybe is it just me, Or I am on a seriously old distro... |
| 11:49.00 | enouf | oh well - you bingo'd anyway ;-) |
| 11:49.01 | vchrizz1 | hi, ive got debian lenny running and have problems with pidgin(2.4.3) .. the gadu gadu buddys dont show but pidgin shows me im online... i cant remember correctly when but before i did an update some days ago, it was running fine |
| 11:49.26 | valdyn | spain: nice! |
| 11:49.30 | Xunie | libc is very very old! 2.3!.. Now apt-get update; apt-get upgrade gives me that there are no updates needed... So what is going on? |
| 11:49.53 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 11:50.08 | Xunie | /etc/apt/sources.list is just etch main non-free and etc/updates main contrib |
| 11:50.12 | *** part/#debian spain (n=javier@62.57.174.141.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 11:50.30 | valdyn | i dont see how this package can miss from lenny |
| 11:50.48 | valdyn | !why is lib32nss-mdns not in testing |
| 11:50.48 | dpkg | lib32nss-mdns is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=lib32nss-mdns |
| 11:50.53 | enouf | valdyn: <judd> enouf: lib32nss-mdns -- lenny: 0.10-3 sid: 0.10-3 <-- that one? |
| 11:51.00 | valdyn | enouf: yea |
| 11:51.12 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 11:51.31 | *** join/#debian rwrd (n=rwrd@ip56579a1b.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 11:51.38 | *** join/#debian hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.147.17) |
| 11:51.45 | enouf | valdyn: judd thinks it's there - but judd needed to be told to search in --arch amd64 ... the Other one was i see in dmm only |
| 11:52.15 | nox-Hand | enouf: Ah, I am running Debian though. Figured that as long as I TESTED a Ubuntu .deb file, but removed it normally after, without using a repository, the damage would disappear after removal |
| 11:52.17 | valdyn | enouf: guess dpkg couldnt find it for that reason either |
| 11:52.19 | vchrizz1 | there is a patch for that error in pidgin (http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/6270) but the actual lenny pidgin release doesnt have that? |
| 11:53.16 | enouf | valdyn: hrm .. possible .. yeah, if the pkg coexists in both i386 and amd64 then yes, it'll show up, but not if in amd64 only, IINM |
| 11:53.41 | enouf | nox-Hand: you need to rethink your thinking ;-) |
| 11:54.08 | nox-Hand | enouf: Hmn. But I know not where to ask then T_T |
| 11:54.19 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=raz0@217.198.211.234) |
| 11:54.25 | *** join/#debian yuan (i=yuan@117.12.189.21) |
| 11:54.26 | enouf | nox-Hand: find out what damage all the .{pre*,post*} files did |
| 11:54.42 | enouf | nox-Hand: in /var/lib/dpkg/info/* or something |
| 11:55.58 | *** join/#debian betz (n=betz@d54C27006.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:57.17 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@greenpixel.mediasat.ro) |
| 11:57.34 | nox-Hand | enouf: Not sure how to identify damage in there |
| 11:57.51 | *** join/#debian malattia (n=mattia@static-220-247-10-204.b-man.svips.gol.ne.jp) |
| 11:58.06 | enouf | nox-Hand: figure out what damage those scripts caused - you'll have to know how to read the scripts |
| 11:58.09 | *** join/#debian bas-i (n=bas-i@kbl-gs18113.zeelandnet.nl) |
| 11:58.25 | *** join/#debian radic (i=radic@p3EE3A4F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:58.55 | *** join/#debian Lew-Cid (n=dbjones@PROPRINT.ANDREW.CMU.EDU) |
| 11:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 876] by debhelper |
| 11:59.13 | enouf | nox-Hand: find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -name "*transmission*" |
| 11:59.16 | *** join/#debian bubblegum (n=bubb@e179152004.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:59.43 | enouf | nox-Hand: see the .preinstall and .postinstall and remove scripts? read them |
| 12:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 12:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 12:00.39 | *** part/#debian malattia (n=mattia@static-220-247-10-204.b-man.svips.gol.ne.jp) |
| 12:00.45 | *** join/#debian ribasushi_ (n=rabbit@dslb-084-063-034-182.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:00.57 | *** join/#debian fschwidom (n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-165-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:01.11 | ribasushi_ | yo |
| 12:02.05 | ribasushi | from what I have read about using ldap for linux auth it looks like the system will simply supersede the static /etc/passwd once set up, just like udev mounts on top of the static /dev |
| 12:02.22 | ribasushi | if this is the case what happens when I install some new package and it creates new users? |
| 12:02.39 | ribasushi | will they go directly to the ldap, or can I configure it so that they will be created locally/statically |
| 12:03.08 | *** part/#debian metbsd (n=AXT@n220246040154.netvigator.com) |
| 12:03.38 | *** join/#debian spain (n=javier@62.57.174.141.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:03.48 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@94-193-219-215.zone7.bethere.co.uk) |
| 12:04.21 | spain | one svn-related question: if two persons edit the same file at the same time, will only the changes of the last one to save be kept? |
| 12:04.42 | enouf | ribasushi: all i know is once you use ldap or similar, you should use getent {passwd,group} for info - rather than accessing /etc/{[g]passwd,group,[g]shadow} |
| 12:04.52 | ribasushi | spain: what does this have to do with svn? |
| 12:05.08 | *** join/#debian Alex_ich (n=Alexich@host-85-237-56-22.dsl.sura.ru) |
| 12:05.25 | spain | ribasushi: well, I don't know if svn is capable of detecting some complex scenarios just this |
| 12:05.35 | ribasushi | enouf: this is secondary - adduser will use the proper syscall |
| 12:05.44 | spain | ribasushi: for exampl,e if I edit a different area than the other user an such |
| 12:06.02 | ribasushi | spain: svn will not help you here - once you make a checkout it is up to you on how do you mess with it |
| 12:06.10 | enouf | ribasushi: will useradd? how about gpasswd? |
| 12:06.10 | ribasushi | so if two people edit the same checkout - svn doesn't care |
| 12:06.35 | ribasushi | spain: and if you are having two separate checkouts - the people are not editing the same file at the same time |
| 12:06.42 | ribasushi | spain: each edits his own copy from his checkout |
| 12:06.44 | *** join/#debian themill (n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk) |
| 12:06.48 | *** join/#debian extor (n=xtor@c-24-12-9-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 12:06.49 | enouf | he never mentioned checkout ribasushi |
| 12:06.55 | *** join/#debian Tenkawa (n=Tenkawa@unaffiliated/tenkawa) |
| 12:07.16 | ribasushi | enouf: well you can't directly edit files in a repo can you :) |
| 12:07.17 | enouf | co's are static pulls |
| 12:07.26 | enouf | why not? |
| 12:07.45 | spain | ribasushi: ah ok, now I remember, you can ask svn to show you the changes you are going to apply and let you decide, is it correct? |
| 12:08.09 | enouf | never heard of opportunistic file locking? |
| 12:08.10 | *** join/#debian Athunye (n=Athunye@201-3-157-184.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 12:08.16 | ribasushi | spain: when you do svn commit - it checks if the version of your file matches the version in the repo |
| 12:08.30 | *** join/#debian breize (n=breize@pD9FF7343.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:08.33 | ribasushi | spain: if they drifted apart it will refuse to commit, and will tell you to update first |
| 12:08.34 | *** part/#debian breize (n=breize@pD9FF7343.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:08.43 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 12:08.48 | ribasushi | spain: on update it will tell you "mismatch!" if one exists, and will ask you what to do |
| 12:08.56 | spain | ribasushi: ah yes ok, first you have to update your local copy and they you must locally decide |
| 12:08.59 | ribasushi | spain: look for conflict resolution in the svn book |
| 12:09.08 | *** join/#debian roodie (n=evil@cp82868-b.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 12:09.22 | ribasushi | spain: yes, so the first person will commit without a hitch, the second will be stuck resolving conflicts |
| 12:09.24 | spain | ribasushi: I remember svn helped in conflict resolution thanks |
| 12:10.00 | ribasushi | enouf: afaik there is no mechanism to 'open' a fille fromn a repo directly |
| 12:10.13 | ribasushi | enouf: you can only checkin/out (push/pull) sets |
| 12:10.46 | enouf | if i'm hosting the repo, it's local |
| 12:11.12 | *** join/#debian Esa94 (n=esa94@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe55fa00-80.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:11.26 | ribasushi | enouf: tough luck, the files in the repo are not flat :) |
| 12:11.31 | *** join/#debian eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) |
| 12:12.19 | *** join/#debian tictac (n=tictac@c-24-18-95-252.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 12:12.20 | *** join/#debian SoulSeller (i=vilian@unaffiliated/soulseller) |
| 12:12.26 | enouf | heh |
| 12:12.49 | *** join/#debian vulture (n=vulture@c-24-18-54-157.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 12:13.21 | *** part/#debian spain (n=javier@62.57.174.141.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 12:14.18 | *** join/#debian christoz (n=chemical@79.107.84.47) |
| 12:15.03 | peleg | How do I know where to find the docs of a specific package in debian? |
| 12:15.49 | *** join/#debian khaleel5000 (n=khaleel@116.71.69.125) |
| 12:16.15 | *** join/#debian Eulex (i=alex@kr-lun-186-151-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 12:16.20 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian lenny, how do I set my system so it may boot in cli , instead of KDM showing the X login screen? |
| 12:16.34 | Xunie | peleg, Normally you can do 'man command' for a man page... While some where on the systems there are also docs.. I dunno where :P |
| 12:16.50 | Xunie | khaleel5000, Ah... Simple! |
| 12:16.57 | Xunie | I see you aren't an expert on linux?! xD |
| 12:17.11 | khaleel5000 | yes i am not |
| 12:17.12 | peleg | Xunie, thanks. man is not enough; I am looking for the README files. There should be kind of "docs" folder somewhere |
| 12:17.48 | Xunie | Well khaleel5000, Linux is independent of that, And with ctrl+alt+F keys you can switch beteen tty's... |
| 12:17.48 | khaleel5000 | Xunie: i used to be in touch with linux, but as soon as my studies shifted to accouting ,i have lost lot of touch in last 2~3 years |
| 12:17.51 | enouf | peleg: /usr/share/doc |
| 12:18.09 | *** part/#debian grummund (n=grummund@unaffiliated/grummund) |
| 12:18.09 | Xunie | Note that normally your X11 server is on F7 , And your first TTY on F1, Now... |
| 12:18.10 | enouf | dpkg -L <pkgname> would show you that, for many installed pkgs |
| 12:18.10 | dpkg | ii <pkgname> would show you that, for many installed pkgs 1.6-13 enouf's private gamp collection |
| 12:18.24 | peleg | enouf, oh, thanks! That's what I was looking for |
| 12:18.44 | Xunie | You don't need to reboot into CLI, Cause you can just switch to it!, But I suggest you use an terminal on your kde interface like Konsole ;-) |
| 12:18.48 | khaleel5000 | Xunie: I want to disable the feature that X will load automatically, just a cli login |
| 12:18.48 | enouf | peleg: find and locate is a nice tools as well ;-) |
| 12:18.52 | enouf | s/is/are |
| 12:19.14 | peleg | enouf, no, s/is a/are . Be serious, enouf. |
| 12:19.20 | enouf | peleg: checkout dlocate |
| 12:19.22 | peleg | :-) thanks. |
| 12:19.26 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:19.31 | enouf | nowai |
| 12:19.36 | Xunie | khaleel5000, Ehm... I do know how you can terminate it with /etc/init.d/x11-common |
| 12:20.26 | *** join/#debian rosset (n=Filipe@201.41.208.102) |
| 12:20.28 | Xunie | khaleel5000, Well, You need to check how you can customize the services that are started on boot... I dunno how to do that :P |
| 12:20.43 | khaleel5000 | ok |
| 12:20.45 | enouf | !nodm |
| 12:20.45 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 12:20.50 | enouf | khaleel5000: ^^^^^ |
| 12:20.51 | Xunie | I normally have either X or not, And I just uninstall the package on systems where they are unessary |
| 12:21.36 | enouf | khaleel5000: another way is to alter the default init runlevel in /etc/inittab, however, not recommended |
| 12:22.31 | khaleel5000 | thanks |
| 12:22.54 | *** join/#debian [eol] (n=Eol@243-223-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net) |
| 12:23.49 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 12:28.12 | negge | I just ran "update-rc.d -f gdm remove" to disable starting X and GNOME on system startup. Whenever you want to fire up the GUI you just run "startx" |
| 12:28.15 | negge | easy as that |
| 12:29.10 | *** join/#debian neighborlee (i=neighbor@c-24-16-17-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 12:29.41 | *** join/#debian Orfeous (n=anton@c-b85fe455.047-64-756d651.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 12:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 12:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 12:31.25 | enouf | or, you do what i mentioned, and type in 'telinit 2' .. easy as that |
| 12:35.14 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.197.8) |
| 12:35.19 | *** join/#debian SEcki (n=SEcki@e181079191.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:36.26 | *** join/#debian faffi_ (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) |
| 12:37.42 | *** join/#debian peturrrr (n=petur@gw1.dk.is) |
| 12:38.01 | peturrrr | Hi i must run a command as root without it prompting me for password, i've tried "echo password|sudo -S command" wihout luck.. any other ideas? |
| 12:38.06 | *** join/#debian Qdecnik (n=qdecnik@89.250.163.77) |
| 12:38.43 | *** join/#debian Roksteady (n=mikaelf@static-213-115-62-202.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 12:38.58 | themill | set that command to be NOPASSWD in sudoers. |
| 12:39.10 | peturrrr | I can't edit sudoers |
| 12:39.21 | peturrrr | It's via web interface, only 1 command allowed at a time |
| 12:41.06 | negge | Sometimes I get a message directly in the terminal saying "You've got mail" or something like that. Is there a "smarter", more efficient way of checking it than doing "cat /var/mail/xxx | tail"? |
| 12:42.08 | *** join/#debian rwat (n=rwat@i-195-137-41-70.freedom2surf.net) |
| 12:42.51 | *** join/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.21.74) |
| 12:43.18 | Roksteady | Newbie deb packager here: why did i get to a weird dependency situation when I created a deb package: http://paste.debian.net/26600/ |
| 12:44.01 | *** join/#debian MJS (n=MJS@p4FD0D6DC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:44.08 | Roksteady | negge: look for biff and newer alternatives |
| 12:44.35 | \amethyst | Roksteady: have you tried installing nagios3 ? |
| 12:44.49 | Roksteady | do i have to? |
| 12:44.50 | *** join/#debian mmc (n=michal@83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:44.56 | Roksteady | i just want to build the package |
| 12:44.58 | Roksteady | not install anything |
| 12:45.05 | Roksteady | actually, the package is already built |
| 12:45.17 | *** part/#debian mmc (n=michal@83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:45.21 | Roksteady | that part is done... i just wanted to install devscripts, which certainly doesn't depend on nagios3 |
| 12:45.55 | \amethyst | Roksteady: your package was partially installed |
| 12:46.23 | Roksteady | I wonder how :) |
| 12:46.31 | Roksteady | i've done everything as a normal user, not root |
| 12:46.54 | \amethyst | Roksteady: check /var/log/dpkg.log maybe |
| 12:46.57 | enouf | fakeroot? |
| 12:46.58 | Roksteady | k |
| 12:47.05 | Roksteady | enouf: yes dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 12:47.18 | Roksteady | it sets up environment stuff hitting me in the back? :) |
| 12:47.22 | *** join/#debian kentrk (n=sure@ti0058a340-dhcp0592.bb.online.no) |
| 12:47.41 | enouf | notices Roksteady is in bad company :-P |
| 12:48.04 | bubblegum | peturrrr: man forkpty man expect good luck |
| 12:48.07 | Roksteady | hah well, i'm transitioning from 8 years of redhat :) |
| 12:48.14 | Roksteady | bare with me! |
| 12:48.20 | Roksteady | there's bound to be some damage |
| 12:48.26 | enouf | !naked |
| 12:48.27 | dpkg | Lets play hide and go seek |
| 12:49.01 | *** join/#debian allisterb (n=allister@cuscon123440.tstt.net.tt) |
| 12:50.08 | *** join/#debian gentgeen__ (n=kevin@c-24-3-227-149.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 12:50.14 | *** part/#debian Orfeous (n=anton@c-b85fe455.047-64-756d651.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 12:54.25 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 12:55.26 | *** join/#debian monzie (n=manish@123.237.223.80) |
| 12:56.18 | *** join/#debian sema4r (n=user@p57B8114B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:57.06 | *** join/#debian anoHito (n=anoHito@218.88.175.212) |
| 12:57.24 | anoHito | what is wrong with security.debian.org ? apt cannot connect to it |
| 12:57.32 | *** join/#debian prg_ (n=tprg@217.147.161.73) |
| 12:57.41 | *** part/#debian peturrrr (n=petur@gw1.dk.is) |
| 12:57.42 | sema4r | is there a way to have the debian-console support more than 8 colors ? |
| 12:58.01 | anoHito | apt-get update is stuck on 99%,cannot connect to security.debian.org |
| 12:58.47 | anoHito | it worked. |
| 13:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 13:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 13:00.09 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 13:00.25 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 13:00.39 | *** join/#debian kevin7kal (n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com) |
| 13:02.16 | *** join/#debian lunaphyte_ (n=lunaphyt@unaffiliated/lunaphyte) |
| 13:02.54 | jelly | sema4r: debian-console? |
| 13:05.24 | *** join/#debian nepse (n=opera@ti541210a080-1690.bb.online.no) |
| 13:07.00 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 13:07.13 | Ward1983 | are there any debs for lenny with a new xen or KVM ? |
| 13:07.25 | Ward1983 | (and which one would you recommend while im at it) |
| 13:07.33 | Ward1983 | i've tried both of them and i cannot decide |
| 13:09.17 | *** join/#debian penguim (n=penguim@ubuntu/member/linuxba) |
| 13:10.43 | sema4r | jelly: i meant the console you login to in debian if you don't use a gui. |
| 13:11.35 | jelly | sema4r: oh. If it's a text-mode console, you probably can't get more than 16 colors out of it. With a framebuffer one you have more chance. |
| 13:11.38 | anoHito | when lenny is out ? |
| 13:11.57 | jelly | !+tell anoHito -about wwlr |
| 13:11.58 | dpkg | told anoHito about wwlr. |
| 13:12.01 | jelly | !+tell anoHito -about rc bugs |
| 13:12.01 | dpkg | told anoHito about rc bugs. |
| 13:12.21 | jelly | anoHito: look the the pretty graphs! |
| 13:12.54 | anoHito | cool,thanks jelly . |
| 13:13.01 | *** join/#debian hedgehoginfog (n=dev@50.134-31-94.telenet.ru) |
| 13:13.17 | *** join/#debian FilipeMaia (n=filipe@sb-fw.bmc.uu.se) |
| 13:13.37 | *** join/#debian bofur (n=bofur@office.euronet.nl) |
| 13:14.25 | *** join/#debian shahri (n=shahri@p5DC1555F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:15.19 | *** join/#debian youngpro (n=proleone@ppp121-45-69-101.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net) |
| 13:16.00 | sema4r | jelly: how can i configure what kind of console debian uses ? |
| 13:16.19 | alcohol | you mean shell? |
| 13:17.02 | alcohol | like bourne, C, bourne again? |
| 13:17.13 | *** join/#debian scientes (n=scientes@75-165-64-206.tukw.qwest.net) |
| 13:17.18 | alcohol | (sh, csh, bash) |
| 13:18.47 | negge | Roksteady: can I somehow read the mails from another computer on the LAN? |
| 13:20.52 | *** join/#debian SKOM (n=cosanost@pra25-b97.adsl.dial-up.cz) |
| 13:21.12 | *** join/#debian rosset (n=Filipe@unaffiliated/rosset) |
| 13:21.13 | SKOM | hi all |
| 13:21.27 | SKOM | how can i make *.deb file from *.rpm ? |
| 13:21.33 | jelly | sema4r: a kernel boot parameter video=... is used to choose a framebuffer driver |
| 13:22.49 | Ward1983 | are there any debs for lenny with a new xen or KVM ? |
| 13:22.51 | Ward1983 | i've tried both of them and i cannot decide |
| 13:22.54 | Ward1983 | (and which one would you recommend while im at it) |
| 13:23.02 | sema4r | jelly: aah. ok. that seems the way to go. thx! |
| 13:23.34 | jelly | sema4r: however, if you plan on running X, fb console can mess with it and cause random-ish hangs, so it's better not to use it |
| 13:23.43 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 13:23.53 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 13:24.11 | *** join/#debian chihau (n=chihau@pc-181-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 13:24.53 | jelly | SKOM: with "alien". what are you trying to install? |
| 13:25.28 | *** join/#debian lipsin_ (n=lipsin@115.132.147.213) |
| 13:25.46 | SKOM | LightScribe Host Software v1.8.15.1 |
| 13:26.05 | *** join/#debian alaqsory (n=alaqsory@41.232.242.220) |
| 13:26.23 | *** part/#debian kso512 (n=kso@cpe-24-28-76-30.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 13:26.40 | alaqsory | asalamu alikum |
| 13:27.26 | *** join/#debian sdousley|work (n=sdousley@tuxhacker/sdousley) |
| 13:27.31 | jelly | SKOM: oh, all right then |
| 13:27.32 | *** join/#debian Python132O (i=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) |
| 13:27.43 | alaqsory | I installed lenny 10 mins ago, but i am not the dminstrator |
| 13:27.46 | sdousley|work | Hi All, can anyone help me with how debian knows which line is which in the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file please. |
| 13:28.30 | et | sdousley|work: rephrase the question? |
| 13:28.37 | sdousley|work | I occasionally have the SSH keys change on devices, and would rather just remove the line via a script with the hostname, but since there's no idea as to how the hostname is stored in ~/.ssh/known_hosts, it looks as though the hostname is encrypted in some way, I cannot do it. |
| 13:28.47 | Rawplayer | alaqsory: how come? |
| 13:28.52 | Rawplayer | are you root? |
| 13:29.00 | sdousley|work | et: it seems as though the hostname is in this part of the file: |1|k91aFi0LDvl8z4t04EP2jel1iek=|4vH4QD5MY5/iTpD5Xq3ZdjZuwBs= |
| 13:29.03 | alaqsory | i am not root |
| 13:29.07 | Rawplayer | ok |
| 13:29.12 | Rawplayer | type "su -" |
| 13:29.16 | Rawplayer | then password |
| 13:29.19 | Rawplayer | then you are root |
| 13:29.24 | alaqsory | but i can only use root terminal |
| 13:29.42 | Rawplayer | sdousley|work: you need to change your ssh config |
| 13:29.53 | Rawplayer | if you want to store it as hostnames |
| 13:29.57 | sdousley|work | Rawplayer: know which part in particular? |
| 13:29.59 | et | sdousley|work: it's hashed |
| 13:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 13:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 13:30.09 | et | HashKnownHosts or similar |
| 13:30.12 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 13:30.13 | alaqsory | su: Authentication failure |
| 13:30.17 | Rawplayer | what et tells you |
| 13:30.45 | *** join/#debian LostMonarch (n=roby@host234-206-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:30.49 | et | sdousley|work: Host * <newline> HashKnownHosts no in .ssh/config |
| 13:31.02 | et | sdousley|work: that's the easy way |
| 13:31.23 | et | sdousley|work: you could get your script to hash it too so it can search |
| 13:31.25 | *** join/#debian chihau (n=chihau@pc-181-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 13:31.27 | sdousley|work | et: i dont have ~/.ssh/config |
| 13:31.51 | sdousley|work | et: and there's nothing in /etc/ssh/sshd_config relating to hashing |
| 13:31.58 | alaqsory | Rawplayer su: Authentication failure |
| 13:32.16 | *** join/#debian toe (n=toe@p4FCA42F5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:32.16 | *** join/#debian yachar1 (n=yachar1@84.78.50.85) |
| 13:32.26 | et | sdousley|work: then create it |
| 13:32.30 | *** join/#debian kapipi (n=tor@130.226.169.143) |
| 13:32.38 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 13:32.43 | et | sdousley|work: it's a client thing |
| 13:32.49 | et | the sshd has nothing to do with it |
| 13:33.00 | sdousley|work | ok, so in that file i am putting what? |
| 13:33.01 | sdousley|work | Host * <newline> HashKnownHosts |
| 13:33.01 | et | sdousley|work: man ssh_config |
| 13:33.17 | sdousley|work | where <newline> is pressing "enter" |
| 13:33.22 | tuxcrafter | somebody knows how to make an network ifup script when the network has actually a succesfull network going up |
| 13:33.32 | *** part/#debian yachar1 (n=yachar1@84.78.50.85) |
| 13:33.44 | *** part/#debian brahman (n=tom@80.176.14.84) |
| 13:33.47 | tuxcrafter | for example my ifup script is run when dhcp has failed |
| 13:34.00 | *** join/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:34.00 | tuxcrafter | then the ifup scirpt also failt |
| 13:34.23 | sdousley|work | ah, that works ty et |
| 13:34.29 | alaqsory | there is no update manager or synaptic |
| 13:34.37 | et | sdousley|work: also, there is already a "script" for doing what you want |
| 13:34.51 | et | sdousley|work: ssh-keygen -R hostname |
| 13:34.53 | *** join/#debian node8 (n=asdfaaa@pool-72-87-242-84.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 13:35.02 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 13:35.07 | Rawplayer | alaqsory: amd sudo -i |
| 13:35.09 | *** part/#debian smaug9 (n=jwardlaw@rrcs-24-97-121-200.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:35.10 | Rawplayer | *and |
| 13:35.37 | sdousley|work | et: ty :) I guess that's just something that debian added to their ssh client by default that most dont then |
| 13:35.49 | alaqsory | Rawplaer: bash: amd: command not found |
| 13:36.08 | et | sdousley|work: i think it's standard. |
| 13:36.08 | alaqsory | my processor is i386 |
| 13:36.15 | alaqsory | not amd |
| 13:36.17 | et | sdousley|work: my mac has it too. |
| 13:37.03 | *** join/#debian Mirthas (n=greenthu@p5792527A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:37.08 | sdousley|work | et: fair enough, just none of the distro's that I use myself have it, maybe i'm using all the ones with non-standard ssh clients. It's apossibility |
| 13:37.18 | *** join/#debian Rienzilla (i=rien@sinas.rename-it.nl) |
| 13:37.50 | et | sdousley|work: the ssh-keygen thing works with hashed hosts too, btw. |
| 13:38.33 | sdousley|work | et: that's cool. I just wanted it to not hash them in the hosts file, or know how it hashes them in the hosts file |
| 13:38.54 | sdousley|work | The reason is that we have a lot of firewalls, and sometimes they change the host id keys, so we have to remove them, and i dont like just rm'ing that file. |
| 13:39.13 | sdousley|work | et: dont suppose you know which method it hashes them with? Cos i'd rather leave them hashed if possible. |
| 13:39.13 | alaqsory | Rawplayer: bash: amd: command not found |
| 13:39.36 | *** join/#debian ssantino (n=ssantino@c-76-29-212-41.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 13:40.10 | Ward1983 | i have made a bridge br0, and added my eth0 to it, so now i can hookup KVM VMs to it, now i want to do the same with my wifi interface (need VMs on a different gateway / ISP) does anyone know how? i've been asking this all around freenode for a few days now |
| 13:40.12 | Ward1983 | nobody seems to know |
| 13:40.17 | *** join/#debian Qdecnik (n=qdecnik@89.250.163.77) |
| 13:41.16 | *** part/#debian nepse (n=opera@ti541210a080-1690.bb.online.no) |
| 13:41.50 | Rienzilla | Hello everyone. I wrote an own application consisting of one binary and a number of configuration files, and I want to automatically generate debian packages from it with an automatically increasing version number. Could anyone point me to documentation about that? I read documentation which converts standard source-trees to packages, but they all seem needlessly complicated. |
| 13:42.03 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@202.109.195-77.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 13:43.18 | *** join/#debian Lew-Cid (n=dbjones@pool-72-95-162-132.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:44.58 | *** join/#debian bvalek2 (i=bvalek2@catv-80-99-9-97.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 13:46.27 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 13:46.37 | *** join/#debian lbt (n=david@78.32.229.233) |
| 13:47.08 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 13:47.40 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@unaffiliated/netecho) |
| 13:49.37 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@cpe-74-68-125-223.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 13:50.03 | *** join/#debian mngrif_ (n=mngrif@h183.39.55.139.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) |
| 13:50.35 | *** join/#debian Zor (i=xtzgzore@0x3e42c894.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 13:50.43 | *** join/#debian der0b (n=s0d_0ff@c-66-31-93-74.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 13:51.48 | *** join/#debian Strog_ (n=Miranda@p4FE608EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:52.06 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@li23-229.members.linode.com) |
| 13:57.15 | *** join/#debian wakkobot (n=wakkobot@rps2473.ovh.net) |
| 13:57.31 | Strog_ | hi people i have a question about some commands in a shell skript |
| 13:57.33 | *** join/#debian pihhan (n=pihhan@dhcpr191.fit.vutbr.cz) |
| 13:57.47 | *** join/#debian xota (n=xota@79.109.50.17.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 13:57.54 | Strog_ | if [ -d $directory/$Name ] |
| 13:58.09 | Strog_ | what does the -d mean? |
| 13:58.30 | zash_ | Strog_: directory i think |
| 13:58.31 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.39 | zash_ | Strog_: check man test |
| 13:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 883] by debhelper |
| 13:59.11 | zash_ | Strog_: -d FILE -- FILE exists and is a directory |
| 14:00.02 | Strog_ | in other words, if the file exists in that path (directory) |
| 14:00.03 | Strog_ | ? |
| 14:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 14:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 14:00.14 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: you need policy routing |
| 14:00.22 | Rawplayer | www.lartc.org proviced that info |
| 14:00.27 | \amethyst | Strog_: it's testing whether a directory exists in that directory |
| 14:00.30 | Rawplayer | you need to create seperate routing tables |
| 14:00.44 | *** join/#debian kalpik (n=kalpik@unaffiliated/kalpik) |
| 14:00.47 | *** join/#debian LordIllpalazo (n=LordIllp@p57A03CDB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:01.00 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 14:01.16 | \amethyst | Strog_: if $directory is /home and $name is miranda, it will check whether /home/miranda is a directory |
| 14:01.41 | Strog_ | great thanks |
| 14:02.42 | *** part/#debian Daviey (n=Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey) |
| 14:02.55 | *** join/#debian S-i-A (n=sia@unaffiliated/s-i-a) |
| 14:03.22 | *** join/#debian SissY^^ (n=itsMe@adsl-ull-122-121.49-151.net24.it) |
| 14:03.29 | *** part/#debian SissY^^ (n=itsMe@adsl-ull-122-121.49-151.net24.it) |
| 14:04.05 | *** join/#debian shingen (n=shingen@unaffiliated/shingen) |
| 14:04.09 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-212-38.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:04.49 | zash_ | Is there a good place to put custom keyboard layouts? |
| 14:05.36 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, sorry i was away for a sec |
| 14:06.05 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, aha i think i can manage that if the link is clear :) thanx |
| 14:06.47 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, URL seems down :( not resonding |
| 14:06.48 | *** join/#debian kevin7kal (n=kevin7ka@128.118.102.200) |
| 14:06.53 | Rawplayer | hmm |
| 14:06.56 | Rawplayer | google on lartc |
| 14:08.12 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, lol no www. in front :) |
| 14:08.18 | Ward1983 | working now |
| 14:08.59 | *** join/#debian tolecnal_ (i=tolecnal@195.159.129.16) |
| 14:09.17 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 14:09.54 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, oh something else, his access point is using a 10 character HEX WEPkey, which iwconfig doesnt seem to know about |
| 14:10.09 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i can only connect with gtkwifi or network-manager |
| 14:10.31 | Ward1983 | first need to fix that i guess |
| 14:10.41 | *** join/#debian bofur (n=bofur@office.euronet.nl) |
| 14:11.02 | alaqsory | Rawplayer: I need something else |
| 14:12.20 | alaqsory | I entered a url belongs to debian lenny, how can i add this link as a source |
| 14:12.20 | *** part/#debian sdousley|work (n=sdousley@tuxhacker/sdousley) |
| 14:13.16 | *** join/#debian bofur (n=bofur@office.euronet.nl) |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | man sources.list |
| 14:15.03 | *** join/#debian Ajedrez (n=kvirc@207.13.77.41) |
| 14:16.33 | *** join/#debian davidisko (i=davidisk@nte.sk) |
| 14:16.56 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-34-67.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:17.05 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: if you can connect from gui, it should also be possible from cli.. |
| 14:17.32 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: if you connect with nm, then underwater you can still bridge the interfaces |
| 14:17.46 | *** join/#debian efaistos (n=efaistos@81-64-130-130.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 14:18.39 | *** join/#debian boyan (n=boyan@91.92.154.116) |
| 14:18.44 | *** join/#debian geophoenix (n=phoenix@athedsl-200245.home.otenet.gr) |
| 14:18.53 | *** part/#debian boyan (n=boyan@91.92.154.116) |
| 14:19.39 | \amethyst | Ward1983: key deadbeef00 doesn't work? |
| 14:20.44 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@189-11-181-163.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 14:21.02 | *** join/#debian koan (n=koan@unaffiliated/koan) |
| 14:21.18 | *** join/#debian smeea_ (n=smeea@89.163.26.137) |
| 14:21.35 | *** join/#debian keta_ (n=luca@host147-29-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:23.26 | *** part/#debian Rienzilla (i=rien@sinas.rename-it.nl) |
| 14:27.24 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 14:27.46 | *** join/#debian bofur (n=bofur@office.euronet.nl) |
| 14:28.41 | *** join/#debian Givvade (n=Givvade@dslc-082-082-080-099.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:29.26 | *** join/#debian evildarknight (i=IceChat7@41.207.128.172) |
| 14:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 14:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 14:32.26 | *** join/#debian Jemt (n=Jemt@0x5550950d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 14:33.09 | *** join/#debian jthomas (n=jthomas@nat.sierrabravo.net) |
| 14:33.14 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 14:33.27 | *** join/#debian amitz (n=mercury@114.121.67.111) |
| 14:33.54 | *** join/#debian French76 (n=alan@80.134.90-79.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 14:35.53 | *** join/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.21.74) |
| 14:38.27 | FilipeMaia | What does this mean "invalid mode 0140755 for /raid/ns/raber/.gxine/socket"? |
| 14:39.00 | *** join/#debian corenominal (n=corenomi@ubuntu/member/corenominal) |
| 14:39.02 | anewbie | hmm i think this is something with hda/sda controler |
| 14:39.03 | anewbie | but not sure |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: that's a file mode, telling you it's broken somehow ...is that a file in your homeidr? |
| 14:39.53 | \amethyst | FilipeMaia: what is that error coming from? |
| 14:40.01 | \amethyst | 0140755 sounds right for a socket |
| 14:40.17 | *** join/#debian RoyalKnight (n=leitgab@85-126-227-162.work.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:40.31 | FilipeMaia | what's the 014 part? |
| 14:40.36 | FilipeMaia | where can i get documentation for it? |
| 14:40.55 | \amethyst | FilipeMaia: man 2 stat |
| 14:41.02 | Ward1983 | is there a up to date deb for KVM somewhere? |
| 14:41.04 | *** join/#debian zamuro (i=manuel@190.73.59.165) |
| 14:41.30 | \amethyst | FilipeMaia: 0140000 means it's a socket |
| 14:41.50 | FilipeMaia | thanks |
| 14:42.03 | abrotman | wonders why xine needs a socket |
| 14:42.44 | \amethyst | abrotman: probably so gxine can communicate with other instances of gxine |
| 14:42.45 | *** join/#debian needle (n=needle@unaffiliated/needle) |
| 14:43.04 | *** join/#debian marvil07 (n=marvil07@190.41.37.215) |
| 14:43.46 | rvsjoen | Ward1983 : in lenny, yes. for etch you could go to backports.org |
| 14:44.09 | Ward1983 | rvsjoen, im in lenny and its KVM72 |
| 14:44.11 | *** join/#debian msaizar__ (n=martin@r190-135-131-147.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 14:44.21 | Ward1983 | rvsjoen, i dunno how old that is but they're at 82 iirc |
| 14:44.24 | *** join/#debian DDave (n=DDave@83.222.37.214) |
| 14:44.26 | *** join/#debian UT2K3 (n=UT2K3@fw1.ilk.net) |
| 14:44.42 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 14:44.58 | *** join/#debian gusto (n=gusto@141.30.205.88) |
| 14:46.42 | *** part/#debian needle (n=needle@unaffiliated/needle) |
| 14:48.56 | *** join/#debian pengwen (n=pengwen@y9bt.com) |
| 14:49.51 | *** part/#debian amitz (n=mercury@114.121.67.111) |
| 14:50.01 | pengwen | how do i figure out when laste upgrade was run? |
| 14:50.41 | abrotman | update or upgrade? |
| 14:50.42 | pengwen | in apt that is :) |
| 14:50.45 | Ward1983 | i want to isntall kvm from experimental, can i do it without updating everything from experimental? |
| 14:50.46 | pengwen | both? |
| 14:51.12 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@76.249.22.168) |
| 14:51.43 | *** join/#debian frodation (n=arbeit@p5B225F7D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:52.26 | *** part/#debian Tenkawa (n=Tenkawa@unaffiliated/tenkawa) |
| 14:53.50 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 14:54.22 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 14:54.31 | *** join/#debian EulGlaude (n=eric@lns-bzn-57-82-249-53-155.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | pengwen: you could look at the files in /var/cache/apt/ or /var/lib/aptitude/ |
| 14:56.00 | *** part/#debian hughszg (n=hugh_2@58.33.147.17) |
| 14:56.31 | *** part/#debian jackweb (n=jackweb@net-war.org) |
| 14:56.44 | *** join/#debian path_ (n=path@114-115-21-190.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 14:56.59 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@hark.slew.org) |
| 14:58.23 | *** join/#debian _buno_ (n=bernd@nrbg-4dbe4b75.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 14:59.26 | Ward1983 | i want a up to date KVM so someone suggested experimental, and to add "APT::Default-Release lenny;" in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:59.43 | Ward1983 | but how do i now tell it to install kvm from the newly added repo? |
| 15:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 15:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 15:00.43 | babuun | do apt-get update |
| 15:01.59 | *** join/#debian gusnan (n=gusnan@h156n6c1o269.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 15:02.07 | \amethyst | Ward1983: apt-get -t experimental <packagename> |
| 15:02.15 | \amethyst | err, I left off the 'install' |
| 15:02.15 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, ah thanx |
| 15:02.24 | *** join/#debian fasta (n=a@217.109.160.5) |
| 15:02.35 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i figured that :) |
| 15:02.51 | fasta | Is there a program like banner, which isn't limited to ten chars? |
| 15:02.57 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@cl-2502.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 15:03.32 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, why not download kvm srv directly ??? |
| 15:03.34 | \amethyst | is banner limited to 10 characters? |
| 15:03.50 | fasta | \amethyst: banner prints out the first 10 characters of text in large letters |
| 15:03.55 | fasta | \amethyst: yes |
| 15:03.57 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, as in compiling it? |
| 15:04.07 | *** join/#debian shahri (n=shahri@p5DC1555F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | fasta: uhm so what's the problem with that? |
| 15:04.39 | fasta | abrotman: so, I want to use more than 10 chars. :) |
| 15:04.46 | abrotman | fasta: so glue them togehter |
| 15:04.50 | fasta | abrotman: I can just call the program a few times. |
| 15:04.59 | \amethyst | hm |
| 15:05.01 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, I have compiled KVM-83, one single things difficult : do not mispell make |
| 15:05.03 | fasta | abrotman: right, but I would rather just have a sane program. |
| 15:05.28 | \amethyst | fasta: what version of bsdmainutils do you have? |
| 15:05.38 | abrotman | fasta: patches welcome! try sysvbanner? alternately (banner first10;banner next10;banner next10) .. etc |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | \amethyst: it does it here on lenny |
| 15:05.52 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, what kind of advantages has your version over kbm-82 ? |
| 15:05.54 | abrotman | oh .. no it doesn't |
| 15:05.57 | Ward1983 | kvm-82 |
| 15:06.12 | abrotman | \amethyst: banner asdfghhjkl;qwerty .. it stops at the semi |
| 15:06.19 | abrotman | quote it ? |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | fasta: quote your whole string |
| 15:06.39 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, I dont even look about version avalaible in Debian repository, because I do not use debian kernel |
| 15:07.01 | fasta | abrotman: doesn't help |
| 15:07.13 | abrotman | does here ... what is your string ? |
| 15:07.15 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, so what do you suggest lol |
| 15:07.26 | fasta | abrotman: banner 'really longMAN' |
| 15:07.36 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, and the version in debian in 82, what advantages does 83 have? |
| 15:08.21 | abrotman | fasta: works here just fine |
| 15:08.23 | v4nelle | guys nvidia 9500 gt 's tv out works on debian? |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | fasta: in both etch and lenny |
| 15:08.51 | *** join/#debian g0n (n=ggon@171.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:09.08 | *** join/#debian tobias_ (n=tobias@cpe-069-134-127-101.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 15:10.16 | EulGlaude | hummm, Ward1983 : http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/ChangeLog |
| 15:10.18 | Ward1983 | v4nelle, so for any nvidia worked for me, but the latest i tried is a 8800 so im not 100% sure |
| 15:10.31 | fasta | abrotman: I am using sysvbanner. What's the name of the other one? |
| 15:10.39 | abrotman | uhm |
| 15:10.49 | *** join/#debian Strog_ (n=Miranda@p4FE608EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:10.50 | v4nelle | thx Ward1983 |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | fasta: in bsdmainutils |
| 15:11.24 | fasta | abrotman: oh, right, that one does work :) |
| 15:12.00 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, nothing in there thats worth of going trough the hassle for me |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | fasta: have a nice day |
| 15:12.03 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 15:12.21 | \amethyst | well, they are oriented differently |
| 15:12.29 | Ward1983 | v4nelle, also why do you need it? |
| 15:12.35 | Ward1983 | v4nelle, for a media center by any chance? |
| 15:12.43 | fasta | \amethyst: right, I wanted to have it horizontally. |
| 15:12.57 | fasta | \amethyst: so, this is sort of wrong, but I can work around that. |
| 15:13.09 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, probably not, just since I do not use the debian kernel, I have not figured that the kvm in the debian repository was so recent |
| 15:13.23 | abrotman | fasta: tried figlet ? |
| 15:13.31 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, its the experimental repo :) |
| 15:13.37 | fasta | abrotman: no, but I saw the name somewhere. |
| 15:13.46 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, kvm-0.83 has not allow me to run OSX .... for instance |
| 15:13.59 | *** join/#debian sladi (n=kvirc@85.222.177.7) |
| 15:14.09 | \amethyst | fasta: there's also toilet (which is free, while figlet is not) |
| 15:14.45 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, thats not legal anyway :p |
| 15:14.47 | *** join/#debian amitz (n=mercury@114.121.67.111) |
| 15:14.47 | fasta | \amethyst: figlet seems to be free. but maybe it's not Free. |
| 15:15.12 | fasta | \amethyst: anyway, figlet is really the best solution. |
| 15:15.15 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, That's the point that is good ;-) |
| 15:15.16 | fasta | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:15.39 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, as long as its still running darwin |
| 15:16.24 | *** join/#debian dec3pti0n (n=dec3pti0@pdpc/supporter/student/dec3pti0n) |
| 15:16.36 | stew | fasta: its not free according to the DFSG |
| 15:16.45 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, for now, I found Disk IO very slow under KVM/Qemu, the HOST OS use lot of sys CPU |
| 15:17.20 | fasta | stew: ok, I didn't know the Debian free is spelled in this way. |
| 15:18.06 | *** join/#debian dana_good (n=dana@gw.comp911.com) |
| 15:19.24 | *** join/#debian Duddle (n=Duddle@77-21-83-114-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 15:19.36 | \amethyst | fasta: the thread that resulted in it being moved to non-free starts at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/09/msg00249.html (bug # 274950) |
| 15:20.58 | fasta | \amethyst: is it really weird if I don't care about the license of these simple programs as long as it can be downloaded? I am just testing something. I appreciate your complete answer, but in this context it's not that important. |
| 15:21.36 | avtobiff | fasta, you don't value your freedom? |
| 15:21.37 | *** join/#debian Mib`lfc (n=marius@78-24-90-47.cust.consoll.no) |
| 15:22.35 | fasta | avtobiff: this program has hardly to do anything with freedom. |
| 15:22.59 | fasta | avtobiff: also, your hardware isn't "free" either. |
| 15:23.11 | fasta | avtobiff: and I am not talking about the free as in beer kind. |
| 15:23.16 | *** join/#debian izibi (n=izibi@nrbg-4dbe2482.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 15:23.20 | \amethyst | fasta: not weird, but toilet (in main) has less confusing licensing (the "DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE") |
| 15:23.54 | \amethyst | fasta: the problems with figlet's license are mostly related to redistributing modified versions |
| 15:24.10 | fasta | avtobiff: and the chip factory that makes your chips is not "free" either. |
| 15:24.25 | *** join/#debian gregzx (n=chatzill@drw34.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:24.41 | *** join/#debian maligor (n=maligor@a88-114-87-91.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 15:24.43 | fasta | avtobiff: in short, the only "freedom" you get is a virtual one, until you can build your own fast hardware from scratch. |
| 15:24.49 | fasta | avtobiff: more questions? |
| 15:24.57 | stew | fasta: sure and so these chips wont be distrubted in debian main either, but I fail to see what point you are trying to make |
| 15:26.00 | \amethyst | stew: unless it's important to getting the release out the door :/ |
| 15:26.20 | *** join/#debian deus___ (n=d@vodsl-8556.vo.lu) |
| 15:26.26 | fasta | stew: well, I thought the point of a free system is to have all the components in the computer system open. |
| 15:26.49 | fasta | stew: stopping at the software level gains you effectively nothing. |
| 15:27.10 | \amethyst | Debian is an operating system; it is made up entirely of software |
| 15:27.25 | karsten | sees less of a point and more of a blunt object. |
| 15:27.33 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 15:27.36 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 15:27.53 | fasta | \amethyst: yes, but avtobiff was arguing about freedom and I argue that when the hardware isn't free, the whole point is moot. |
| 15:27.57 | avtobiff | fasta, you didn't answer mine. apparently you seem offended by my question. i said nohting about things beeing free or not, i just asked if you don't value your freedom. |
| 15:28.07 | \amethyst | fasta: that's a little all-or-nothing don't you think? |
| 15:28.17 | fasta | \amethyst: computers are like that. |
| 15:28.28 | fasta | \amethyst: at least the model of them is. |
| 15:28.38 | avtobiff | they von neumann? |
| 15:28.43 | avtobiff | s/they/the/ |
| 15:28.47 | \amethyst | we're talking about legal models, not technical ones |
| 15:28.47 | *** join/#debian m_clement (n=martyn@8.58.90-79.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 15:28.59 | avtobiff | surely |
| 15:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 893] by debhelper |
| 15:29.25 | fasta | avtobiff: if I can choose between the free program and the non-free one, and I actually care about the program I will pick the free program. Does that answer your question? |
| 15:29.53 | m_clement | Hi, I've just install the last debian4 on QEMU and I can't find /etc/sysconfig/ folder. Is this normal ? |
| 15:29.58 | avtobiff | fasta, that looks more like an answer to my question yes. :) |
| 15:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 15:30.05 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 15:30.31 | \amethyst | anyway, I can certainly see advantages to running free software, even if your hardware is non-free, and operates in a universe that does not allow modification and redistribution of the laws of physics :) |
| 15:30.58 | avtobiff | m_clement, what do you expect from the sysconfig dir? |
| 15:31.11 | m_clement | change the keyboard layout |
| 15:31.34 | avtobiff | m_clement, for console or X? |
| 15:31.43 | m_clement | console |
| 15:32.05 | m_clement | loadkeys doesn't do anything |
| 15:32.22 | *** join/#debian cheetahj25 (n=chatzill@cpe-67-244-187-30.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 15:32.27 | stew | fasta: so what you are trying to say is that the reason that it doesn't matter that figlet is nonfree is that debian doesn't give away hardware? ok then |
| 15:32.41 | *** join/#debian kosmo (n=kosmo@adsl-99-148-213-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:32.44 | avtobiff | m_clement, have a look at this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/441 |
| 15:32.57 | *** join/#debian RageOfThou (i=RageOfTh@SE400.PPPoE-4769.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 15:33.09 | *** part/#debian fasta (n=a@217.109.160.5) |
| 15:33.28 | *** join/#debian nuncanada (n=nuncanad@189.27.32.11) |
| 15:33.45 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 15:34.30 | cheetahj25 | i just downloaded the etch - netinstall iso... added it to my vm.. and booted it up, now i am getting this error: network autoconfiguration was successful. however, no default route was set |
| 15:34.51 | *** join/#debian Sverre^ (n=sverre@84.18.159.25) |
| 15:35.37 | cheetahj25 | i know my dhcp server works fine... cant figure out what the issue is... also if i continue it seems I cannot access any mirrors |
| 15:35.48 | m_clement | thank you avtobiff |
| 15:35.51 | cheetahj25 | my dhcp server confirms that the debian machine picked up an address |
| 15:35.52 | *** join/#debian Mirthas (n=greenthu@p57925AA6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:36.01 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@124.13.213.74) |
| 15:37.45 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, your dhcp server must give the gateaway also |
| 15:38.12 | cheetahj25 | it does.. |
| 15:38.21 | *** join/#debian mohamed-ragab (n=mohamed-@217.54.96.82) |
| 15:38.30 | cheetahj25 | option routers 192.168.x.x; |
| 15:40.17 | cheetahj25 | and all of my other clients are assigned the default gateway |
| 15:40.38 | *** join/#debian allah (i=allah@83.19.116.109) |
| 15:40.38 | EulGlaude | m_clement, /etc/sysconfig is a RedHat stuff |
| 15:41.21 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, Probably your netinstall under vm is not running under the same inet lan ? |
| 15:41.53 | cheetahj25 | its setup for bridged networking, thats how it got the IP from the dhcp server |
| 15:42.28 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@unaffiliated/peppe) |
| 15:43.07 | EulGlaude | well, hum .... but the dhcp was set to respond to external request no ? received on ... say eth0 ? |
| 15:43.30 | *** join/#debian IPPBX-ARG (n=pirruar@190.176.162.151) |
| 15:43.37 | *** part/#debian IPPBX-ARG (n=pirruar@190.176.162.151) |
| 15:43.53 | EulGlaude | eth0 and tap0 must be on two different inet network |
| 15:44.25 | m_clement | avtobiff: your link didn't helped. locales is already installed and loadkeys don't do anything |
| 15:45.25 | EulGlaude | m_clement, loadkeys do only on console, not under X |
| 15:45.38 | *** join/#debian mrg (n=salamat@89.165.50.175) |
| 15:45.44 | m_clement | I'm under console only |
| 15:45.59 | cheetahj25 | my dhcp server is giving leases to every other pc in my lan, windows, linux, mac... it gives all of the information including default gateway.. i even have other debian machines that work fine.. |
| 15:46.11 | EulGlaude | m_clement You are a real man, console + gnu Screen, X is for loosers |
| 15:46.24 | cheetahj25 | is it possible, that there is some additional special setup that is needed just to use the net install ? |
| 15:46.50 | m_clement | EulGlaude: http://beeroverip.org/ |
| 15:46.53 | themill | m_clement: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 15:47.26 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, The problem is that your hostPC must route the IP traffic from your guest OS to your LAN |
| 15:48.06 | m_clement | oh, I did dpkg-reconfigure locales but not console-data |
| 15:48.07 | cheetahj25 | so you think it is an issue with my vm server software? |
| 15:48.26 | cheetahj25 | i suppose it is possible, but it has the same configuration as all of the others and they work fine |
| 15:48.32 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, to do that, tap0 and eth0 must not be in the same inet subnet |
| 15:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 887] by debhelper |
| 15:49.06 | cheetahj25 | my host machine is windows.. using vmware workstation... im not bridging anything in linux or unix to require tap |
| 15:49.30 | *** join/#debian blargh2 (n=historym@cpe-24-58-155-75.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 15:49.32 | *** join/#debian grezeht_ (n=chatzill@63.214.229.52) |
| 15:50.04 | EulGlaude | windows machine for host, bad, and then, dhcp under linux ? |
| 15:50.14 | *** part/#debian blargh2 (n=historym@cpe-24-58-155-75.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 15:50.49 | Strog_ | i have another question about the test command |
| 15:50.58 | *** join/#debian TheUnderTaker (n=TheUnder@c-76-127-215-92.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 15:51.08 | TheUnderTaker | wen doez da nex debian get released? |
| 15:51.19 | *** join/#debian erth64net (n=erth64ne@69-30-67-191.dq1sn.easystreet.com) |
| 15:51.29 | Strog_ | if [ -w "$dat"] it checks if the file in that path is writable or not |
| 15:51.30 | Strog_ | ?? |
| 15:51.40 | cheetahj25 | yes, windows host with vmware workstation 6, linux guest with dhcp server, trying to install new debian as an additional guest |
| 15:51.52 | stew | TheUnderTaker: "/msg dpkg lenny status" "/msg dpkg rcbugs" ; english only in here please |
| 15:52.02 | TheUnderTaker | dats english i am talkin |
| 15:52.17 | cheetahj25 | the debian guest retrieves the correct information from the dhcp server, and attains a lease successfully |
| 15:52.18 | stew | TheUnderTaker: it's not |
| 15:52.22 | m_clement | Looking for keymap to install : ... NONE |
| 15:52.51 | cheetahj25 | it seems like when i try to get information from a mirror, it comes back immediately reading... bad archive mirror |
| 15:52.54 | TheUnderTaker | y not |
| 15:52.58 | EulGlaude | on your linux guest you simply do an dhclient cmd ? cheetahj25 |
| 15:53.14 | TheUnderTaker | im typin wat u dont know english |
| 15:53.18 | cheetahj25 | no... the debian installer does it automatically |
| 15:53.45 | cheetahj25 | i havent checked to see what actual command it runs, but i imagine it is dhclient.. |
| 15:53.52 | EulGlaude | You must try by hand for yourself the result of this command : dhclient eth0 |
| 15:54.12 | EulGlaude | And see if /etc/resolv.conf gets good |
| 15:54.25 | jelly | Strog_: you're missing some whitespace between "$dat" and ] |
| 15:54.27 | \amethyst | resolv.conf isn't the problem, it's the default route |
| 15:54.38 | TheUnderTaker | how oftin iz a new debian released? |
| 15:54.39 | EulGlaude | And see if route is good |
| 15:55.00 | Strog_ | jelly: right. thanks |
| 15:55.03 | EulGlaude | TheUnderTaker, Far too often |
| 15:55.34 | Strog_ | jelly: but the variable $dat contains the path to the file including the name of the file |
| 15:55.50 | TheUnderTaker | how oftin tho |
| 15:55.59 | cheetahj25 | i selected shell from the installer, but it doesnt even have a /etc/resolv.conf. ... i did add my dns servers when i was prompted initially |
| 15:56.15 | Strog_ | jelly: meaning that it will be checked if it is writable? if so do we need the " " marks? |
| 15:56.27 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) |
| 15:56.28 | *** join/#debian o2T7 (n=saint@212.225.188.253) |
| 15:56.34 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 15:56.57 | o2T7 | hi, do you know a graphical designer for mysql similar to pgdesigner? |
| 15:57.45 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, normaly a DHCP server can fill the nameserver addresses |
| 15:57.46 | \amethyst | if [ -w "$dat" ] |
| 15:57.48 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:57.51 | o2T7 | It would be great that it generates the diagrams from an already installed mysql database |
| 15:57.55 | cheetahj25 | it does :) |
| 15:58.01 | jelly | Strog_: you need "", yes. if the filename contained a space, your test would break if you didn't use them |
| 15:58.15 | cheetahj25 | wondering why... /etc/resolv.conf did not get created ? |
| 15:58.42 | *** join/#debian ealdor (n=ealdor@79.Red-81-44-190.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:58.45 | *** join/#debian RageOfThou (i=RageOfTh@SE400.PPPoE-6641.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 15:59.04 | Strog_ | jelly: meaning if i have the following path: /home/user/files/myfile |
| 15:59.15 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, it appears dhclient has not worked as expected cheetahj25 , you say you have a good IP address bind on your guest nic ? |
| 15:59.19 | Strog_ | jelly: i should use the quotation marks? |
| 15:59.24 | *** join/#debian Spida (n=timo@ns1.spinnennetz.org) |
| 15:59.27 | jelly | Strog_: yes. |
| 15:59.52 | jelly | Strog_: always use them, else your scripts will break one day |
| 16:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 16:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 16:00.09 | cheetahj25 | all of the other guests work fine, and i can confirm that my dhcp server is giving the guest the information by seeing the lease |
| 16:00.10 | Strog_ | jelly: what do u mean with break |
| 16:00.11 | Strog_ | ?? |
| 16:00.41 | *** join/#debian versuchsanstalt (n=versuchs@p54856FE8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:00.59 | *** join/#debian Theoden (n=Theoden_@c-67-188-51-141.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:01.00 | EulGlaude | have you try to manually run dhclient eth0 ? |
| 16:01.04 | jelly | Strog_: if $dat happens to have "/home/user/files/my file", the test will fail with a syntax error |
| 16:01.15 | *** join/#debian hmtt (n=hmtt@ers88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:01.16 | cheetahj25 | running now... |
| 16:01.28 | hmtt | hi |
| 16:01.29 | cheetahj25 | took me a while to get through the menus - find the shell.. |
| 16:01.30 | jelly | Strog_: the script will not behave correctly = it will break |
| 16:01.39 | hmtt | how tu install linux kernel headers? |
| 16:01.40 | cheetahj25 | dhclient worked fine.. |
| 16:01.42 | cheetahj25 | checking ifconfig |
| 16:01.59 | jelly | hmtt: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 16:02.06 | Strog_ | jelly: ah ok, and if i have the file in the same location of my script do i need the quotationmarks? |
| 16:02.31 | jelly | Strog_: strictly speaking no. But use them anyway. |
| 16:02.43 | Strog_ | ok |
| 16:02.48 | cheetahj25 | hmm... dhclient gets bound to the correct IP, but when i check ifconfig -a ... it shows a different ip address |
| 16:02.59 | Strog_ | jelly: and even if i use a shell variable right? |
| 16:03.16 | jelly | Strog_: especially if you use a variable. |
| 16:03.31 | Strog_ | jelly: rgr |
| 16:03.48 | *** part/#debian frodation (n=arbeit@p5B225F7D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:03.48 | EulGlaude | what about route and dns ? cheetahj25 |
| 16:03.57 | *** part/#debian o2T7 (n=saint@212.225.188.253) |
| 16:04.01 | hmtt | jelly, thanks! it works :) |
| 16:04.23 | jelly | Strog_: basically, any use of variable $foo should be double quoted, unless you know what you're doing |
| 16:04.31 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-099-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:04.33 | *** join/#debian Lovecraft (i=lovecraf@66-188-148-21.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 16:04.47 | Lovecraft | bind ^w next_window |
| 16:04.53 | Strog_ | jelly: understood |
| 16:04.56 | Lovecraft | ggggggggggrdh |
| 16:05.03 | Strog_ | jelly: thanks for the help |
| 16:06.01 | jelly | Strog_: see eg. http://wooledge.org:8000/BashGuide, http://wooledge.org:8000/BashPitfalls |
| 16:06.18 | Strog_ | jelly: see eg. ?? what is that? |
| 16:06.23 | jelly | "for example" |
| 16:06.40 | Strog_ | kk |
| 16:07.05 | Lovecraft | So, hows things? |
| 16:07.39 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p579112DC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:08.25 | jelly | Lovecraft: just peachy, except for some dude trying to be nice and cordial here instead of ##debian-offtopic :-> |
| 16:08.40 | Lovecraft | Ah .. as per usual then. :) |
| 16:08.41 | jelly | sorry, #debian-offtopic |
| 16:09.12 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 16:09.15 | Lovecraft | I'm s'pose to get my snargly on then? |
| 16:09.40 | *** join/#debian shmho (n=user@58.142.15.103) |
| 16:10.08 | jelly | Answer hazy. |
| 16:10.39 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-66-29-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 16:11.51 | amitz | how to test whether I have opengl support in my debian lenny? |
| 16:12.14 | *** join/#debian thumbless (n=thumbles@5ad26f38.bb.sky.com) |
| 16:12.15 | *** join/#debian Fjordside (n=Jonas@unaffiliated/fjordside) |
| 16:12.43 | *** join/#debian datagram\ (n=heh@cpe-075-181-035-004.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 16:12.44 | *** join/#debian Python132O (i=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) |
| 16:13.29 | *** join/#debian msaizar (n=martin@r190-135-194-253.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 16:14.29 | cheetahj25 | strange... the route points to that other subnet too |
| 16:14.59 | cheetahj25 | wonder where that is coming from.. maybe the vmware server is not really bridging the network? |
| 16:15.00 | *** join/#debian mohamed-ragab (n=mohamed-@217.54.96.54) |
| 16:15.02 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, ????? I'm lost |
| 16:15.02 | *** join/#debian mmc (n=michal@83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 16:15.07 | *** join/#debian Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 16:15.47 | *** join/#debian frodation (n=arbeit@p5B225F7D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:15.57 | *** join/#debian warly (n=warly@www.warly.org) |
| 16:15.59 | cheetahj25 | my subnet on my lan is 192.168.3.0/24 ... when i type dhclient eth0... dhcpack from (my dhcp server) ... bound to 192.168.3.197 |
| 16:16.19 | *** join/#debian felix_da_catz (n=fholmes@65.111.164.178) |
| 16:16.29 | cheetahj25 | yet... when i type route, or ifconfig ... its like eth0 is on 192.168.80.129 |
| 16:16.29 | EulGlaude | That doesn't sound bad |
| 16:16.43 | *** join/#debian DDave (n=DDave@83.222.37.253) |
| 16:16.49 | EulGlaude | that's sound ugly |
| 16:16.58 | cheetahj25 | route points to.. gateway 192.168.80.2 |
| 16:17.04 | cheetahj25 | yeah... how did that happen.. |
| 16:17.14 | *** part/#debian frodation (n=arbeit@p5B225F7D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:17.31 | EulGlaude | a Serious bug somewhere between dhclient or linux kernel |
| 16:17.38 | amitz | which package has glxgears? |
| 16:17.53 | Ward1983 | i want to make a permanent bridge br0 with my eth0 in it, so i can hook KVM virtual machines to it, what doc should i read? |
| 16:17.59 | stew | amitz: mesa-utils, but you should "/msg dpkg apt-file" |
| 16:18.05 | cheetahj25 | the name of the netinstall cd i downloaded is: debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:18.06 | *** join/#debian Lethliel (n=marco@pD9E52C63.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:18.08 | Ward1983 | does this one look good? http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/qemu.html |
| 16:18.16 | stew | Ward1983: read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian |
| 16:18.25 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 16:18.26 | *** join/#debian nick_h[litage] (n=nick@CPE001ee5861925-CM000f9f1cf1da.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:18.30 | Ward1983 | stew, thanx |
| 16:18.38 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@pD9565765.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:18.45 | Lethliel | Hi everyone... |
| 16:18.46 | stew | Ward1983: maybe with a .gz on the end. you might have to install bridge-utils package |
| 16:19.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 895] by debhelper |
| 16:19.08 | *** join/#debian m0usep0t4t0 (n=Scrooge_@118.94.110.44) |
| 16:20.06 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@63.214.229.56) |
| 16:20.58 | *** join/#debian cjae (n=cjae@64-110-251-246.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 16:21.23 | cjae | hello |
| 16:21.51 | cjae | english channel ? |
| 16:22.13 | Ward1983 | stew, "bridge_ports eth0" is the same as brctl addif br0 eth0 |
| 16:22.14 | Ward1983 | ? |
| 16:22.20 | amitz | stew: ah, that apt-file is something useful I always forgot to ask :-) |
| 16:22.20 | Ward1983 | stew, sorry thats a question |
| 16:22.24 | stew | Ward1983: i have no idea |
| 16:22.27 | *** join/#debian openpercept (n=openperc@unaffiliated/openpercept) |
| 16:22.33 | Ward1983 | stew, ah ok it probably is |
| 16:22.36 | stew | Ward1983: i just know where the docs are :) |
| 16:23.16 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@99-196-216-58.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 16:24.02 | *** join/#debian rjent_ (n=rjent@204.184.227.250) |
| 16:24.59 | *** join/#debian DimmuR| (n=DimmuR@87-205-215-176.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 16:25.05 | amitz | what's a recommended debian game to push the capacity of opengl? |
| 16:25.21 | *** part/#debian DimmuR| (n=DimmuR@87-205-215-176.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 16:25.48 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:26.41 | *** join/#debian Ty_LL (n=Unknown@host-216-211-25-3.tbaytel.net) |
| 16:26.48 | maligor | amitz, on what hw?-) |
| 16:27.10 | maligor | tremulous might be one of the heavier ones availabe, and it's q3 gen |
| 16:27.29 | amitz | maligor: well, radeon hd3200 using radeon driver. |
| 16:28.26 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-66-29-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 16:28.41 | *** join/#debian SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 16:28.54 | maligor | hd3200 won't have 3d yet |
| 16:29.02 | maligor | except on fglrx |
| 16:29.05 | *** join/#debian CremonaMeGenuit (n=CremonaM@194.244.37.211) |
| 16:29.11 | *** join/#debian Dibbler (n=Dibbler@87-194-103-72.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:29.36 | cheetahj25 | should i download a different installation ? |
| 16:29.50 | amitz | maligor: woah, large download size, anything smaller. I see about fglrx. Too bad I can't setup my fglrx for dual head with windows that can be moved to either monitors. |
| 16:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 16:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 16:30.28 | maligor | amitz, I think the 3200 is a r600 gen component, so the opensource drivers will take a while |
| 16:30.47 | maligor | there's a experimental EXA accelerated radeonhd driver in git tho |
| 16:30.55 | maligor | no 3d there either yet tho |
| 16:31.15 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, just configure manually to go further |
| 16:31.33 | *** join/#debian iesahin (n=user@81.214.249.90) |
| 16:31.51 | *** join/#debian mmm4m5m (n=ububam@85-130-28-223.2073139512.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 16:31.53 | cheetahj25 | im wondering if there is an issue with this cd, and if i will run into other problems later too |
| 16:32.30 | amitz | maligor: I see. I can wait since I usually use my computer till it drops dead. My last one was 8 years old :-) |
| 16:32.53 | EulGlaude | cheetahj25, possible, but the os in netinst has nothing to do with the os that is supposed to be installed, plus apt-get update/upgrade |
| 16:33.08 | *** join/#debian DrkCodeman (n=dacodema@12-202-4-186.client.mchsi.com) |
| 16:33.11 | DrkCodeman | Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'km34721-10.keymachine.de' error: Name or service not known |
| 16:33.29 | DrkCodeman | i think they gave me a bad dns |
| 16:33.35 | *** join/#debian Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 16:33.38 | *** join/#debian dante_2core (n=dante@217-162-50-120.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 16:33.49 | maligor | amitz, well, the git radeonhd would have xv also |
| 16:33.56 | mmm4m5m | Hi. Please, help: I boot ubintu from USB. Sometimes USB HDD is /dev/sda, sometimes it is /dev/sdb, sometimes /dev/sdc. Why it is different? (Maybe it depends of other USB devices) Can I make my HDD to be always /dev/sda? |
| 16:34.02 | *** part/#debian mrg (n=salamat@89.165.50.175) |
| 16:34.06 | maligor | amitz, but stability with it is a unknown quality :P |
| 16:34.13 | stew | mmm4m5m: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 16:34.30 | mmm4m5m | stew: no answer in ubuntu forum :) |
| 16:34.53 | abrotman | mmm4m5m: then try ##linux, we do not support Ubuntu here |
| 16:35.03 | mmm4m5m | thank you! |
| 16:35.04 | stew | mmm4m5m: or try a ubuntu mailing list |
| 16:35.17 | mmm4m5m | thanks, will do so :) |
| 16:35.31 | *** join/#debian Niamor (n=niamor59@ALille-258-1-91-202.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:36.25 | *** join/#debian mchelen (n=mchelen@208-59-115-131.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 16:36.53 | *** join/#debian breize (n=breize@pD9FF5DF7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:36.55 | *** part/#debian breize (n=breize@pD9FF5DF7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:37.18 | amitz | maligor: yeah, the usual trade off. But the performance of hd3200 with default "radeon" of lenny should be way faster than Nvidia GeForce MX-200 with nvdia's driver right? |
| 16:38.22 | *** join/#debian kikokos (n=kikokos@host-87-99-60-100.lanet.net.pl) |
| 16:38.26 | *** join/#debian Python1320 (i=Python13@unaffiliated/python1320) |
| 16:38.26 | amitz | maligor: or it's not immediately obvious? |
| 16:38.37 | *** part/#debian meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) |
| 16:38.40 | *** part/#debian mmm4m5m (n=ububam@85-130-28-223.2073139512.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 16:38.57 | *** join/#debian meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) |
| 16:39.09 | kikokos | hi, could you help me ? you are english speaking people so what mean "you picked a hell of place to do it" ? |
| 16:39.18 | *** join/#debian jhulst_ (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 16:39.31 | kikokos | i cannot translate my project because i cannot find this in any dict, thankyou |
| 16:39.32 | maligor | amitz, for 2d? |
| 16:39.57 | maligor | amitz, the current release versions don't have 2d acceleration except shadowfb |
| 16:40.04 | jelly | kikokos: what is the context? |
| 16:40.11 | *** join/#debian kapipi (n=tor@130.226.169.143) |
| 16:40.21 | maligor | amitz, and it means no xv or 3d, but for 2d operations it's pretty fast |
| 16:41.20 | *** join/#debian kapipi (n=tor@130.226.169.143) |
| 16:41.38 | *** join/#debian gusnan (n=gusnan@h234n6c1o269.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 16:41.41 | jelly | kikokos: anyway, try ##English |
| 16:41.45 | newsense_ | kikokos, basically means the place where it was done was not a good choice or not a prefered place to do it |
| 16:41.59 | kikokos | jelly, oo is a good chanell :) |
| 16:42.08 | newsense_ | kikokos, and next time try #english |
| 16:42.25 | amitz | maligor: now, despite all of those, I wonder if that opensource driver for hd3200 for both 2d and 3d and all specific aspects, is faster than geforce2 mx-200 with binary driver from nvidia? |
| 16:42.29 | kikokos | newsense_, ok thankyou so much for help |
| 16:42.36 | newsense_ | kikokos, no problem |
| 16:42.49 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 16:43.01 | amitz | maligor: or only 2d (or specific operation) has clear advantage? |
| 16:43.13 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-70-120-89-6.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 16:44.02 | *** join/#debian wolever_ (n=wolever@CPE001b114f9268-CM00407b85e70c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:44.32 | *** join/#debian beefcube (i=beefcube@67.sub-70-211-76.myvzw.com) |
| 16:44.39 | *** join/#debian burris (n=burris@64.170.159.10) |
| 16:44.48 | wolever_ | I know there is an apt-* command which will, given a file, show you which package it belongs to... But I can't remember the name. Could someone help me out? |
| 16:44.54 | *** part/#debian kikokos (n=kikokos@host-87-99-60-100.lanet.net.pl) |
| 16:45.14 | *** join/#debian aerk (n=mneedham@unaffiliated/mathuaerknedam) |
| 16:45.15 | newsense_ | apt-file |
| 16:45.23 | wolever_ | Thanks, newsense_ |
| 16:45.34 | newsense_ | dpkg -S if you have the file or package it belongs to instlled |
| 16:45.34 | dpkg | There is no record of a if you have the file or package it belongs to instlled package |
| 16:45.50 | beefcube | hi, i get the error of "Cannot stat.." "Permission denied" when trying to cd to a directry on a mounted ext3 external hard drive, i've set the fstab up as ext3 rw,users 0 1 but it still does not work, clue please? |
| 16:45.58 | *** join/#debian Enigma (n=sag@62.111.85.21) |
| 16:46.09 | Enigma | how can i flush dns cache of a non-dns-server machine? |
| 16:46.12 | *** join/#debian xisle (i=rickerby@creep.bur.st) |
| 16:46.57 | wolever_ | beefcube: Is the external disk mounted as root? |
| 16:47.08 | wolever_ | (eg, did you use 'sudo mount...'?) |
| 16:47.22 | beefcube | wolever: user |
| 16:47.55 | beefcube | wolever: the user is able to mount it |
| 16:48.35 | wolever_ | beefcube: But *did* the user mount it? (eg, "beefcube@localhost ~ # mount /mnt/foo") |
| 16:48.44 | beefcube | wolever: yes |
| 16:48.51 | meyou | Enigma: /etc/init.d/nscd restart |
| 16:48.53 | *** join/#debian neobarn (n=n30@213.101.208.223) |
| 16:48.59 | *** join/#debian Gary (n=Gary@freenode/staff/colchester-lug.gary) |
| 16:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 903] by debhelper |
| 16:49.15 | meyou | if you don't have nscd or any sort of dns server, you're not caching dns locally |
| 16:49.17 | wolever_ | beefcube: Ah, ok. What about the permissions on the ext3 disk -- did you check those? |
| 16:49.20 | *** join/#debian Arcalyth (n=arcalyth@c-71-205-165-203.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 16:49.25 | *** join/#debian XLV (n=XLV@unaffiliated/xlv) |
| 16:50.22 | beefcube | wolever: the directory in question is drwxrwxrwx root root |
| 16:51.57 | *** join/#debian bart_ (n=bart@201-13-166-142.dial-up.telesp.net.br) |
| 16:52.10 | wolever_ | beefcube: Dang, it's not simple :( And even if you mounted the disk as root, then tried to list it as root, that would still fail? |
| 16:52.37 | *** part/#debian Gary (n=Gary@freenode/staff/colchester-lug.gary) |
| 16:52.50 | *** join/#debian Esa94 (n=esa94@dsl-trebrasgw1-fe55fa00-80.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:52.51 | beefcube | wolever_: no, it works as root |
| 16:53.06 | wolever_ | beefcube: Oh :( I'm really loosing at this debugging game today |
| 16:53.09 | *** join/#debian hdon (n=donny@174-146-134-148.pools.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:53.24 | hdon | what's the default take-screenshot hotkey in gnome? |
| 16:53.47 | suk | oioi |
| 16:54.55 | hdon | tries o, i, o, i |
| 16:55.00 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 16:55.43 | newsense_ | print screen ? |
| 16:56.13 | hdon | haha, yeah i guess that's it |
| 16:56.16 | hdon | hits himself |
| 16:56.30 | *** join/#debian hmtt (n=hmtt@ers88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:56.34 | hmtt | hi all |
| 16:56.52 | *** join/#debian JarJarBinks (n=apo@0x4dd75655.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:57.10 | hmtt | anybody from poland? |
| 16:57.59 | hmtt | how tu reconfigure X? |
| 16:58.18 | newsense_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:58.26 | *** join/#debian gionn (n=scorp@php-fusion.it) |
| 16:58.34 | *** join/#debian rdd (n=rdd@c83-250-142-219.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:59.22 | JarJarBinks | has something changed with ssh rsa keys ( I know about the security problem with randomness in key generation) but it seems even if I have just copied my public rsa key into .ssh/known_hosts on a foreighn server I'm not albe to login password less. even if I have run: eychain -q --nolock ~/.ssh/`whoami`_`uname -n`_id_dsa and source ~/.keychain/`uname -n`-sh |
| 16:59.38 | newsense_ | hmtt, im not from poland but my grandma has lost most of her memory and has reverted to speaking polish only so i kind of am from poland |
| 17:00.09 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 17:00.09 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 17:00.58 | *** join/#debian _stack (n=stinco@host77-33-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:01.44 | *** join/#debian christoz (n=chemical@79.107.84.47) |
| 17:02.20 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@unaffiliated/charminthemoose) |
| 17:02.24 | *** join/#debian LostMonarch (n=roby@82.49.206.234) |
| 17:03.46 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@echelon.ext.c-base.org) |
| 17:04.27 | *** part/#debian aerk (n=mneedham@unaffiliated/mathuaerknedam) |
| 17:05.15 | *** join/#debian lassiethebrave (n=user@213.180.77.55) |
| 17:05.32 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@190.96.198.22) |
| 17:06.14 | *** join/#debian LostMonarch (n=roby@host234-206-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:06.21 | *** join/#debian freeRag (n=freeRag@a213-22-146-83.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 17:06.45 | *** join/#debian Dibbler (n=Dibbler@87-194-103-72.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:07.06 | *** join/#debian craigevil_ (n=craigevi@76.249.25.61) |
| 17:07.09 | *** join/#debian nibbler (n=Nibbler@HSI-KBW-085-216-121-223.hsi.kabelbw.de) |
| 17:07.17 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 17:07.35 | m0usep0t4t0 | Is LENNY stable yet? Is it safe to upgrade? |
| 17:08.23 | et | m0usep0t4t0: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 17:08.35 | m0usep0t4t0 | thanks, will do! |
| 17:08.37 | *** join/#debian rafuch0 (n=rafuch0@201.211.15.83) |
| 17:09.16 | *** join/#debian sepski (i=seppity@alu.aasen.cx) |
| 17:11.09 | *** join/#debian fukazzz (n=fukazzz@78.31.183.42) |
| 17:11.22 | SQlvpapir | How can I use my /dev/input/js0 (hdaps emulating a joystick device) for games etc? seems no game is willing to catch it when I tilt my laptop |
| 17:12.51 | SQlvpapir | mplayer is more than happy to read the sensor |
| 17:13.10 | *** join/#debian libereco (n=libereco@201.132.250.75) |
| 17:13.27 | *** join/#debian matlakow (n=luka@adla215.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 17:13.36 | *** join/#debian jhulst_ (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 17:14.16 | *** join/#debian s1gk1ll (n=sigkill@83.144.142.68) |
| 17:14.21 | *** join/#debian beefcube (i=beefcube@107.sub-75-199-117.myvzw.com) |
| 17:14.39 | *** join/#debian lassiethebrave (n=user@213.180.77.55) |
| 17:15.05 | adama_ | SQlvpapir: i suppose you would have to configure the controls of the game |
| 17:15.05 | *** join/#debian Orfeous (n=anton@c-b85fe455.047-64-756d651.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:15.34 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 17:15.41 | beefcube | why is uid=1000 not a "recognized option" according to the mount on a ext3 external hard drive? |
| 17:15.57 | SQlvpapir | adama_: problem is when I click some action (ie. accelerate or whatever) and tilts my laptop it does not capture the event |
| 17:16.06 | beefcube | this uid does exist as i've convered via the id command |
| 17:16.11 | stew | beefcube: becuase ext3 supports unix permissions natively |
| 17:16.13 | beefcube | confirmed* |
| 17:16.25 | *** join/#debian Jewfro-Macabbi (n=Jewfro-M@adsl-63-236-63.sav.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:16.53 | *** join/#debian mag_mor (n=blob@client-202-149.swh.uni-giessen.de) |
| 17:16.56 | adama_ | SQlvpapir: you mean to assign the control? |
| 17:17.02 | beefcube | stew: i fail to see why that would prevent it from recognizing a valid mount option |
| 17:17.10 | SQlvpapir | correct adama_ |
| 17:17.14 | stew | beefcube: uid= is a to specify who files should appear to be owned by when mounting a filesystem which doesn't support unix ownership/permissions |
| 17:17.22 | stew | beefcube: its not a valid mount option |
| 17:17.31 | *** join/#debian winferno (n=troubleh@adsl-75-24-110-227.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:18.03 | beefcube | stew: could you please tell me then how to set user write/read permissions on that drive? |
| 17:18.04 | stew | beefcube: its valid for vfat, ntfs, smbfs, cifs, etc, but not for filesystems like ext2, ext3, xfs, etc |
| 17:18.14 | *** join/#debian SKOM (n=cosanost@pra25-b97.adsl.dial-up.cz) |
| 17:18.15 | stew | beefcube: with chmod / chown |
| 17:18.27 | beefcube | stew: ah, thx |
| 17:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 914] by debhelper |
| 17:19.31 | Orfeous | got problems with syslinux and grub |
| 17:19.42 | Orfeous | i want to change from syslinux to grub.. how? |
| 17:21.38 | *** join/#debian fxcp__ (n=ctp@brsg-d9bee239.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 17:23.49 | *** join/#debian Dibbler (n=Dibbler@87-194-103-72.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:24.28 | jelly | Orfeous: what sort of device are you booting from? |
| 17:24.38 | *** join/#debian efaistos (n=efaistos@LPuteaux-151-43-4-239.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:24.53 | jelly | Orfeous: usually, installing grub on its master boot record does the trick. |
| 17:25.40 | *** join/#debian DaRtH_VaDeR (n=dartho@unaffiliated/dartho) |
| 17:26.06 | Orfeous | jelly: its a Sata drive |
| 17:26.17 | Orfeous | i have tried the whole day.. |
| 17:26.26 | Orfeous | googling.. searching forums.. |
| 17:26.54 | *** join/#debian JoaoCarneiro (n=lunix@lab.desfo.com) |
| 17:26.56 | *** join/#debian S-i-A (n=sia@unaffiliated/s-i-a) |
| 17:27.02 | Orfeous | this is what happens if i run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" |
| 17:27.04 | Orfeous | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 17:27.18 | jelly | Orfeous: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:27.26 | Orfeous | ubuntu intrepid |
| 17:27.33 | *** join/#debian boizterus (n=boizteru@xdsl-78-34-136-95.netcologne.de) |
| 17:27.34 | Orfeous | based on debian :P |
| 17:27.41 | jelly | um, that's not debian, you'll have to ask in #ubuntu |
| 17:27.49 | Orfeous | i have.. |
| 17:27.53 | Orfeous | no answers |
| 17:28.08 | jelly | Orfeous: their support forums or mailing lists, then |
| 17:28.23 | Orfeous | ok, thanks anyways |
| 17:29.44 | *** join/#debian Niamor (n=niamor59@ALille-258-1-91-202.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 17:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 17:30.29 | *** join/#debian Rayne (n=Rayne3@pD9E3719C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:32.05 | *** part/#debian Orfeous (n=anton@c-b85fe455.047-64-756d651.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:32.28 | *** join/#debian ktwilight_ (n=ktwiligh@227.78-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 17:33.42 | *** join/#debian narhen (n=narhen@87.248.29.229) |
| 17:33.52 | *** join/#debian mchelen1 (n=mchelen@208-59-115-131.c3-0.129-ubr3.lnh-129.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 17:34.36 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@dslb-092-077-018-023.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:34.57 | *** join/#debian wiedenmann (n=wiedenma@liszt.physik.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 17:35.32 | stoned | busy busy |
| 17:36.35 | wiedenmann | I am searching for a command line tool to read a file line by line, calculate some values (like sqrt(col1)*col2, ...) and output the result to a file, any hints, ideas, or pointers are welcome |
| 17:36.56 | freeRag | i think this irc networx has been hijacked im connected thru Sweden and they filter suff there |
| 17:37.55 | *** join/#debian MistaMyke (n=myke@cpe-24-27-65-122.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 17:38.36 | stew | freeRag: please go to #freenode for help related to the irc network |
| 17:39.04 | stew | wiedenmann: you want awk |
| 17:39.18 | Lovecraft | How is that any less bloated? |
| 17:39.35 | *** part/#debian Lovecraft (i=lovecraf@66-188-148-21.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 17:39.39 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@63.214.229.56) |
| 17:39.41 | *** join/#debian zamuro (i=manuel@190.73.59.165) |
| 17:40.32 | wiedenmann | stew: thank you, I will look into the manpage |
| 17:40.53 | stew | wiedenmann: i'd expect "awk '{print(sqrt($1)*$2)}' < infile > outfile" to do what you want |
| 17:41.19 | *** join/#debian magnet (n=magnet@silmaril.mithrandir.net) |
| 17:41.38 | *** join/#debian gukk_devel (n=gukk_dev@xdsl-213-196-221-7.netcologne.de) |
| 17:41.49 | *** part/#debian openpercept (n=openperc@unaffiliated/openpercept) |
| 17:41.51 | *** join/#debian leobiker (i=leobiker@201.211.33.111) |
| 17:45.31 | *** join/#debian apt_get (n=dennis@setinet.com.br) |
| 17:45.34 | apt_get | Hi |
| 17:45.56 | apt_get | When I open Iceweasel with any site in FLASH, i need to click over the flash to enable it |
| 17:46.11 | *** join/#debian ZombB (i=zombi@91-65-214-238-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 17:46.15 | *** join/#debian spooktino (n=ssantino@c-76-29-212-41.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 17:46.15 | apt_get | How can i configure to Iceweasel auto enable flash? |
| 17:46.26 | *** join/#debian Ace2016_- (n=ace@79-68-163-61.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 17:46.49 | wiedenmann | stew: thank you. I am still reading to find out how to create a file script.awk, starting with something like '!/usr/bin/awk' |
| 17:47.26 | stew | wiedenmann: you could create a file with the first line being "#!/usr/bin/awk" |
| 17:47.57 | jelly | apt_get: sounds like have Flashblock or a similar extension installed |
| 17:48.12 | jelly | you. |
| 17:48.26 | JyZyXEL | what was that remote controlling of mouse and keyboard input thing called? |
| 17:48.42 | apt_get | hmm |
| 17:48.46 | apt_get | I will see |
| 17:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 906] by debhelper |
| 17:49.34 | JyZyXEL | its like VNC but only for mouse and keyboard |
| 17:49.36 | JyZyXEL | no picture |
| 17:50.14 | *** part/#debian meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) |
| 17:50.45 | zash_ | JyZyXEL: synergy |
| 17:51.02 | JyZyXEL | i've tried that but it doesn't work on linux |
| 17:51.18 | zash_ | it does |
| 17:51.28 | JyZyXEL | naw it lags like hell |
| 17:51.29 | zash_ | install quicksynergy |
| 17:51.35 | zash_ | laggs? |
| 17:51.40 | JyZyXEL | everytime you machine loads something the mouse stops |
| 17:51.45 | JyZyXEL | and its stops even when not loading |
| 17:51.48 | JyZyXEL | just randomly |
| 17:51.51 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 17:51.51 | stew | JyZyXEL: is there a bug filed about this? |
| 17:51.56 | *** join/#debian fschwidom (n=fschwido@dslb-088-069-165-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:51.59 | JyZyXEL | stew naw i checked |
| 17:52.06 | zash_ | is the network or the machine slow? |
| 17:52.08 | stew | JyZyXEL: can you please file one? |
| 17:52.14 | *** join/#debian Daviey (n=Daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey) |
| 17:52.17 | JyZyXEL | no cause i don't know the reason |
| 17:52.30 | stew | JyZyXEL: why can't you file a bug? |
| 17:52.31 | *** join/#debian Antaga (n=Andre@cau33-4-82-243-169-96.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:52.33 | zash_ | i have used synergy on linux and it isnt slow at all |
| 17:52.38 | JyZyXEL | cause i don't know how to fix it |
| 17:52.50 | *** join/#debian theholyduck (n=holyduck@67.223.225.46) |
| 17:52.52 | *** join/#debian aerk (n=mneedham@unaffiliated/mathuaerknedam) |
| 17:52.57 | stew | JyZyXEL: i'm not asking you to fix the bug, i'm asking you to report the bug so that someone else might fix it |
| 17:52.58 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 17:53.06 | *** join/#debian rgr (n=user@e179192152.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:53.11 | *** join/#debian aindilis (n=aindilis@75.146.96.198) |
| 17:53.16 | JyZyXEL | "bug: synergy doesn't work" |
| 17:53.38 | abrotman | has a feeling it wouldn't be a very helpful bug |
| 17:53.41 | stew | JyZyXEL: can you please be more specific than that? |
| 17:53.56 | JyZyXEL | thats pretty much as spesific i can go |
| 17:54.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: you were more specific a couple of minutes ago |
| 17:54.28 | JyZyXEL | oh "synergy lags" |
| 17:54.43 | JyZyXEL | i even tried -19 nice |
| 17:54.46 | JyZyXEL | no luck |
| 17:54.51 | *** join/#debian jackweb (n=jackweb@net-war.org) |
| 17:55.14 | JyZyXEL | prolly a networking related problem |
| 17:55.21 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student165-171.hampshire.edu) |
| 17:55.21 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 17:55.23 | jackweb | Hello. Is it a possiblity Debian will have packages compiled on i686? |
| 17:55.37 | abrotman | jackweb: you can do it yourself if it's really that important |
| 17:55.44 | JyZyXEL | but yea there is another solution to transport mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network |
| 17:55.47 | JyZyXEL | its VNC based |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | though you're not likely to notice any real improvement |
| 17:55.52 | JyZyXEL | i cannnot remember the name |
| 17:55.56 | apt_get | I dont have any type of flashblocker |
| 17:56.00 | JyZyXEL | does anyone remember it? |
| 17:56.16 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about enter |
| 17:56.28 | apt_get | if I right-click in the flash, the play isnt enable. |
| 17:56.34 | apt_get | I enable and it plays...... |
| 17:56.46 | apt_get | but if i REFRESH browser, then again its not enable |
| 17:57.22 | *** join/#debian mythomaniac (n=Fallen@unaffiliated/mythomaniac) |
| 17:57.51 | *** join/#debian jxxxxx (n=ivanchev@77.70.32.19) |
| 17:57.52 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 17:58.16 | *** join/#debian misnix (n=jkr@corona.xs4all.nl) |
| 17:58.41 | *** join/#debian yo9gjx (n=xul@92.84.83.199) |
| 17:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 913] by debhelper |
| 17:59.05 | mythomaniac | is there a program that will allow one to encrypt an existing directory, thus allowing one to encrypt the data within, while also encrypting new data to be stored within said directory? |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#debian juzme (i=neighbor@c-24-16-17-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 18:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 18:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 18:00.17 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:00.40 | stoned | jackweb, yeah... |
| 18:01.02 | jackweb | :) |
| 18:01.23 | theholyduck | i thought the current ones was i686 or whatever. |
| 18:01.29 | JyZyXEL | i found it! |
| 18:01.30 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 18:01.31 | JyZyXEL | x2vnc |
| 18:01.32 | Arcalyth | Hi #debian. I'm trying to install Debian Etch (AMD64) onto my new Dell Studio XPS 16 laptop, and I've been having some trouble but for the most part have been able to get everything going... I had some issues making it detect my CD drive but I fixed that, but the installer couldn't detect any NICs either. So now I have a really minimal system (as expected from running a netinst cd without a net), but I have NO idea how to make De |
| 18:01.32 | Arcalyth | bian find my wireless or my ethernet card. Can somebody please help me? I did a bit of googling, DebianWki-ing, etc, but I can't really find the answers I'm looking for. |
| 18:01.50 | theholyduck | Arcalyth, .... |
| 18:01.52 | theholyduck | etch is too old |
| 18:01.55 | theholyduck | for new hardware |
| 18:01.59 | theholyduck | you need a new kernel |
| 18:02.08 | abrotman | Arcalyth: etchnhalf or lenny |
| 18:02.11 | theholyduck | on the install cd :P |
| 18:02.21 | theholyduck | abrotman, some pcs are too new for that aswell |
| 18:02.24 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:02.27 | mythomaniac | I was running rkhunter on a new install and noted that /usr/bin/tcsh, /bin/tcsh, and /bin/csh were showing up as "warnings", are these false positives? |
| 18:02.28 | stoned | mythomaniac, use fuse's encfs and bind your mount to your directory |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | theholyduck: no kidding .. you don't say ... |
| 18:02.34 | theholyduck | like my desktop wont run anything except unstable + exprimental kernel |
| 18:02.45 | mythomaniac | stoned, how do i bind it? |
| 18:02.45 | Arcalyth | abrotman: what? |
| 18:02.47 | *** part/#debian aerk (n=mneedham@unaffiliated/mathuaerknedam) |
| 18:02.54 | Arcalyth | theholyduck: That's what I thought... |
| 18:02.59 | abrotman | Arcalyth: go to debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. look for the daily netinst |
| 18:03.00 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, lscpi -nn to guess what nic are around there |
| 18:03.04 | theholyduck | Arcalyth, etch has too old kernel so get a newer installer. |
| 18:03.05 | abrotman | should be about 180MB |
| 18:03.05 | stoned | mythomaniac, man mount |
| 18:03.05 | stoned | mythomaniac, you want --bind |
| 18:03.13 | stew | Arcalyth: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:03.14 | Arcalyth | EulGlaude: I don't have lspci |
| 18:03.15 | mythomaniac | stoned, thanks |
| 18:03.21 | stoned | yup |
| 18:03.32 | Trewas | mythomaniac: there is also ecryptfs, which ubuntu is afaik using nowadays for providing private directories separately for every user |
| 18:03.36 | Arcalyth | stew: 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 18:03.50 | Arcalyth | abrotman: I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:03.55 | jackweb | stoned: do you know when Debian will probably have i686 packages? |
| 18:04.02 | theholyduck | jackweb, err... |
| 18:04.04 | stew | Arcalyth: ahh, there is a much newer kernel for etch, which might help, "apt-cache search linux-image etchnhalf" |
| 18:04.06 | stoned | uhm. |
| 18:04.07 | theholyduck | are you trolling? |
| 18:04.09 | stoned | yeah. |
| 18:04.19 | abrotman | jackweb: i already told you |
| 18:04.20 | stew | jackweb: it already does |
| 18:04.23 | mythomaniac | Trewas, you can do that with encfs and the pam module |
| 18:04.33 | stew | Arcalyth: which wireless card / ethernet card do you hvae? |
| 18:04.35 | jackweb | o, sorry |
| 18:04.38 | Arcalyth | both intel |
| 18:04.43 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:04.43 | EulGlaude | 2.6.18 is not that old for any standard nic |
| 18:04.46 | Arcalyth | I'm not sure exact models, except for the wireless |
| 18:04.53 | stew | EulGlaude: it is for e1000e |
| 18:04.58 | mythomaniac | Trewas, but thanks |
| 18:05.03 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, nvidia nics aswell |
| 18:05.06 | stoned | etch 1/2 |
| 18:05.08 | Arcalyth | Wireless is Intel® 5100 WLAN Wireless-N (1x2) Half Mini Card |
| 18:05.09 | stew | Arcalyth: i'm guessing you have e1000e, which should be supported by the newer kernel. which intel wireless? |
| 18:05.25 | Arcalyth | stew I'm pretty sure it's e1000e as well, I think I saw something about that in Vista's device manager last time I was on it |
| 18:05.27 | EulGlaude | nvidia ??? they make nic ???? with opengl ? |
| 18:05.33 | *** part/#debian jackweb (n=jackweb@net-war.org) |
| 18:05.36 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, nvidia has alot of stuff |
| 18:05.44 | theholyduck | nics, sound, etc |
| 18:05.44 | Arcalyth | stew: wireless is Intel® 5100 WLAN Wireless-N (1x2) Half Mini Card |
| 18:05.46 | jelly | EulGlaude: there's a good number of server nics that fail to work with it |
| 18:05.55 | theholyduck | sure a fair bit of it is pretty much rebranded other stuff |
| 18:05.58 | theholyduck | sata controller |
| 18:05.58 | EulGlaude | ouch, Wifi-N this machine might be damn recent |
| 18:05.58 | theholyduck | etc |
| 18:06.06 | Arcalyth | it's a very new machine. |
| 18:06.17 | Arcalyth | I just got it yesterday, and it was released very recently. |
| 18:06.20 | EulGlaude | jelly, I always see broadcom NIC at server |
| 18:06.24 | abrotman | the wifi won't work in lenny's kernel |
| 18:06.29 | theholyduck | Arcalyth, well i never used wifi for install |
| 18:06.32 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:06.32 | theholyduck | but try using a cable |
| 18:06.43 | theholyduck | nics are generally way easier to install with than wifi |
| 18:06.46 | Arcalyth | theholyduck I have a ethernet cable plugged in. Debian doesn't detect that either. |
| 18:06.48 | jelly | EulGlaude: yep. some tg3 and bnx2 don't work with 2.6.18 |
| 18:06.57 | theholyduck | Arcalyth, well with a newer iso/kernel |
| 18:06.59 | theholyduck | obviously |
| 18:07.05 | Arcalyth | theholyduck: of course. |
| 18:07.07 | *** join/#debian spooktino (n=ssantino@c-76-29-212-41.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 18:07.15 | theholyduck | cable is just easier to use from install cds than wifi |
| 18:07.25 | EulGlaude | nics are always easier to install than wifi |
| 18:07.36 | stew | depending, of course, on the nic, and the wireless |
| 18:07.44 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@unaffiliated/charminthemoose) |
| 18:07.47 | stoned | wifi is also an nic ;) |
| 18:08.11 | *** join/#debian bono (i=bono@118-168-238-184.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:08.14 | jelly | wifi is also often a pita |
| 18:08.18 | stoned | indeed |
| 18:08.23 | EulGlaude | Is there any documentation with the machines, disc drivers for windows ??? something to help identify nic contrl ? |
| 18:08.37 | stoned | you know for the longest time I thought people were tlaking about pita bread |
| 18:08.43 | *** join/#debian tmwsiy (n=dunng@chomsky.cis.uncw.edu) |
| 18:08.46 | jelly | EulGlaude: lspci works. |
| 18:08.47 | stoned | I later discovered it stands of pain in the ass and not pita bread |
| 18:08.54 | *** join/#debian seb_kuzminsky (n=seb@ucb-np1-188.colorado.edu) |
| 18:09.11 | EulGlaude | jelly, He tolds he have not lspci |
| 18:09.17 | Arcalyth | EulGlaude If I had lspci I'd just uses that :P I'm going to burn a lenny netinst instead and see if that works |
| 18:09.25 | stoned | EulGlaude, install pciutils |
| 18:09.40 | EulGlaude | stoned, stay stoned |
| 18:09.51 | stoned | uhm... right. |
| 18:10.04 | EulGlaude | how to apt install pciutils without a working nic ? |
| 18:10.11 | jelly | Arcalyth: if you have a working Windows installation, you can figure out the pci id from Device Manager |
| 18:10.14 | EulGlaude | lol |
| 18:10.16 | tmwsiy | I am trying to install xinetd on lenny and it is wanting to uninstall openbsd-inetd... this does not seem like a good thing... Will it effect my other services that are not run through xinetd... (sorry rather new to debian) |
| 18:10.34 | stoned | EulGlaude, you're on the internet, is it possible to hook up wired ethernet for now? |
| 18:10.35 | Arcalyth | jelly: I'm rebooting into Windows now. It's not too happy about the resize I did on its partition >_> |
| 18:10.42 | jelly | EulGlaude: burn it on a cdrom; stick it on a usb stick |
| 18:10.44 | *** join/#debian gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) |
| 18:10.46 | seb_kuzminsky | TwistOfFate: xinetd and openbsd-inetd are both implementations of inetd, you can only have one at a time |
| 18:10.46 | stoned | EulGlaude, do you only have wifi on said machine? |
| 18:10.50 | Arcalyth | jelly: of course, that was expected. I'll get you that info asap |
| 18:10.59 | EulGlaude | stoned, This not me in trouble but Arcalyth |
| 18:11.00 | stoned | download from pacakges.debian.org |
| 18:11.07 | stoned | EulGlaude, oh, whoops! |
| 18:11.09 | seb_kuzminsky | tmwsiy: oops, that was for you ^^^^ |
| 18:11.15 | EulGlaude | no matter stoned |
| 18:11.34 | tmwsiy | seb: so the short answer is . it is not advisable ? |
| 18:11.49 | seb_kuzminsky | tmwsiy: yeah, dont do that ;-) |
| 18:12.00 | tmwsiy | seb: thanks :) |
| 18:12.01 | EulGlaude | well I think the netinst should embed pciutils |
| 18:12.07 | Arcalyth | ^^^^ |
| 18:12.50 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, any windows pre-installed on that machine ? |
| 18:13.15 | *** join/#debian marcels (n=marcel@cp1189687-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) |
| 18:13.23 | mythomaniac | can anyone verify by running rkhunter (mine was on a new install and noted) on a lenny install that has been updated in the last 24 hours also gets /usr/bin/tcsh, /bin/tcsh, and /bin/csh showing up as "warnings", because i'm wondering if they are false positives? |
| 18:13.24 | jelly | Arcalyth: Device Manager, find the device, right click on it -> Properties -> Details tab ... Device Instance Id will be something like PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_2000&SUBSYS_20001022 |
| 18:13.26 | EulGlaude | googling for your model to find hardware components details ? Arcalyth ? |
| 18:13.38 | *** join/#debian psycodad (n=cschnee@2001:4060:4419:b1:0:0:0:2) |
| 18:14.00 | *** join/#debian path_ (n=path@114-115-21-190.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 18:14.14 | jelly | Arcalyth: this means your device has a pci id of 1022:2000 and someone can do |
| 18:14.22 | jelly | !pciid [1022:2000] |
| 18:14.22 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 1022:2000 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 18:14.33 | EulGlaude | what is rkhunter ??? and who use tcsh or csh anymore ? |
| 18:14.33 | JyZyXEL | man starting a VNC daemon is a pain in the ass |
| 18:14.58 | Arcalyth | EulGlaude, jelly, I'm trying to reboot back into Vista now, which is complaining about the resize I did (as expected). |
| 18:15.17 | *** part/#debian ssantino (n=ssantino@c-76-29-212-41.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 18:15.20 | mythomaniac | EulGlaude, rkhunter is a prog that scans for rootkits, and also some hash values, i think apt uses it? |
| 18:15.51 | JyZyXEL | man the fact that you cannot start X applications with SSH is such a stupid "feature" |
| 18:15.57 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, you got an PCnet LANCE PCI Ethernet Controller |
| 18:16.04 | zinx | JyZyXEL: what? why can't you? |
| 18:16.09 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, from AMD |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | baits zinx |
| 18:16.17 | JyZyXEL | its always the display errors |
| 18:16.24 | JyZyXEL | ** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display |
| 18:16.27 | JyZyXEL | stuff like that |
| 18:16.33 | JyZyXEL | its so damn stupid |
| 18:16.35 | EulGlaude | mythomaniac, what ??? you are a hacker ????? |
| 18:16.36 | zinx | JyZyXEL: so set the DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY to the right thing. |
| 18:16.42 | zinx | JyZyXEL: you are, in fact :P |
| 18:16.45 | JyZyXEL | !display |
| 18:16.50 | Arcalyth | EulGlaude: I do? I could have sworn I saw something about it being an intel card |
| 18:16.52 | mythomaniac | EulGlaude, LOL, some might call me that, but no i'm not |
| 18:17.02 | JyZyXEL | what should i set them |
| 18:17.05 | lassiethebrave | JyZyXEL: ssh -X? |
| 18:17.17 | stoned | nx! |
| 18:17.19 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, That's claim by the pci database |
| 18:17.21 | abrotman | zinx: point him to the documentation, throw away the spoon |
| 18:17.22 | *** join/#debian tulas (n=tulas@118-168-232-135.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 18:17.31 | zinx | JyZyXEL: to the same thing they're set to in X.. probably :0 and /tmp/.gdm* respectively |
| 18:17.46 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, http://www.pcidatabase.com/vendor_details.php?id=269 |
| 18:17.47 | zinx | well, :0.0 i guess o_O |
| 18:17.49 | stoned | abrotman, you mean point him to the docs AND give him the spoon, don't feed him :) |
| 18:17.51 | JyZyXEL | what the heck are you talking about |
| 18:18.02 | stoned | he should be able to feed himself |
| 18:18.05 | abrotman | stoned: he can feed himself however he'd like .. no utensils required! |
| 18:18.12 | stoned | yup |
| 18:18.19 | zinx | JyZyXEL: i'm talking about how it's totally possible to do that thing you think you can't do. |
| 18:18.24 | *** join/#debian soulpro (n=soulpro@65.31.215.206) |
| 18:18.34 | mythomaniac | is there a system in place where one can verify that a package was installed from the debian repositories, say like some hash mark - after it has been installed? |
| 18:18.55 | stoned | mythomaniac, apt-cache policy pkgname |
| 18:19.13 | JyZyXEL | zinx well i don't understand any of it |
| 18:19.13 | EulGlaude | Arcalyth, pcnet32 is the kernel module for your nic |
| 18:19.13 | stoned | mythomaniac, you can also compare md5sums on the packages from pacakges.debian.org |
| 18:19.29 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 18:19.36 | mythomaniac | stoned, hmm anyway one can do it with the prog itself and not the .deb file? |
| 18:19.44 | stoned | come again? |
| 18:19.51 | Arcalyth | EulGlaude, blah, I've run into other problems now :< I'll come back later and tell you if I got everything working =) Thanks for your help all |
| 18:19.54 | zinx | JyZyXEL: well, you're free to not understand, but not free to call it stupid because you don't know how to do it ;D |
| 18:19.55 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@94-193-219-215.zone7.bethere.co.uk) |
| 18:20.08 | JyZyXEL | god damn my debian box is so fucked up |
| 18:20.19 | stoned | mythomaniac, not sure what you mean. apt-cache works on debian packages in the package list |
| 18:20.25 | dustybin | do most people here use debian for server? are there any debian desktop users here? |
| 18:20.26 | lassiethebrave | JyZyXEL: you wish to run x apps on the remote host with display set to your local X server? or did I miss something? in such case ssh -X will do all the xauth magic and $DISPLAY (if xauth is present on the remote host) |
| 18:20.32 | zinx | i told you exactly what to set DISPLAY/XAUTHORITY to, though, so i'm not quite sure what the rub there is |
| 18:20.40 | Arcalyth | dustybin: this machine that I'm talking to you on runs Debian as a desktop |
| 18:20.50 | abrotman | !tell dustybin about polls |
| 18:21.03 | dustybin | Arcalyth: stable, testing or unstable ? |
| 18:21.08 | stoned | dustybin, yes, desktopping with debian for years, new oblivion mod and visual studio forced me to use windows xp these days, but I'm still down the the debian clown! |
| 18:21.32 | Arcalyth | testing/unstable |
| 18:21.35 | zinx | stoned: writing one? |
| 18:21.41 | EulGlaude | dustybin, ratpoison under debian, that the last Desktop Technology |
| 18:21.48 | stoned | dustybin, I personally use unstable, experimental, source compiles... oh which means I have to rebuilt xorg again from git if i reinstall debian |
| 18:21.48 | dustybin | abrotman: dam i was hoping you wasnt here :P |
| 18:21.54 | stoned | oh good god I didnn't even think about that |
| 18:21.59 | mythomaniac | stoned, right, but is there anyway one can do that with the installed program - say one cleared their apt cache and only have the program itself? |
| 18:22.00 | stoned | oh man :( |
| 18:22.00 | JyZyXEL | something is so wrong with the networking |
| 18:22.01 | abrotman | dustybin: i was hoping you'd stop taking polls .. every day |
| 18:22.12 | dustybin | :P |
| 18:22.17 | zinx | should update his OBSE plugin for v0016 :x |
| 18:22.17 | stoned | mythomaniac, you mean a file in your system ? |
| 18:22.23 | EulGlaude | I just run debian to play OpenArena Don't You ? |
| 18:22.24 | mythomaniac | stoned, correct |
| 18:22.26 | stoned | mythomaniac, you want to know which file belongs to a package? use apt-file |
| 18:22.31 | simonrvn | sticks a pole up dustybin's nose |
| 18:22.34 | *** part/#debian apt_get (n=dennis@setinet.com.br) |
| 18:22.39 | stoned | mythomaniac, install apt-file, apt-file update|search |
| 18:22.54 | stoned | !tell mythomaniac -about search |
| 18:23.31 | *** join/#debian [Gandhi] (i=etroconi@150.188.18.17) |
| 18:23.33 | stoned | EulGlaude, I will whoop your ass in that game! |
| 18:23.35 | mythomaniac | LOL someone here does not seem to like my questions ;) |
| 18:23.37 | *** join/#debian erikja (n=OZ4KK@0132500029.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 18:23.40 | stoned | I'm the man |
| 18:23.47 | stoned | mythomaniac, you talking about me? |
| 18:23.48 | JyZyXEL | tcpdump is so stupid over ssh |
| 18:23.53 | *** join/#debian alex[slx] (n=alex@fedora/musolinoa) |
| 18:23.56 | JyZyXEL | it feedback loops |
| 18:24.05 | EulGlaude | stoned, Really ???? Hummm |
| 18:24.08 | JyZyXEL | just get like 999999999 ssh packets |
| 18:24.12 | abrotman | mythomaniac: apt-cache policy foo might help |
| 18:24.14 | mythomaniac | stoned, did you flood me with this: <dpkg> +You are moron #26, mythomaniac |
| 18:24.18 | stoned | mythomaniac, was that becuase I told you a factoid I personally did not feel like typing up, because I made good use of a public service bot thann to actually type it in |
| 18:24.21 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 18:24.22 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: why don't read the docs .. this would be something new for you |
| 18:24.22 | dustybin | so really, a good mix would be, stable for servers and testing for desktops |
| 18:24.27 | stoned | bullshit |
| 18:24.28 | JyZyXEL | abrotman i did |
| 18:24.29 | stoned | I told you about search |
| 18:24.36 | JyZyXEL | man tcpdump /ignore |
| 18:24.38 | stoned | do'nt fuck with me man, i'm not having the best of days right now. |
| 18:24.41 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: try doing it again, but actually reading |
| 18:24.54 | JyZyXEL | i don't know the correct word to search for |
| 18:24.58 | mythomaniac | stoned, who is is messing with you, i just asked... |
| 18:25.12 | *** join/#debian Lethliel_ (n=marco@pD9E51CE7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:25.13 | dustybin | squeezes abrotman |
| 18:25.18 | stoned | mythomaniac, you are. Stop it. I'm only trying to help. If you dislike the answers, you should stop asking the questions. |
| 18:25.33 | JyZyXEL | tcpdump -i eth0 not port 22 |
| 18:25.35 | *** part/#debian MarcWeber (n=marc@88.80.200.63) |
| 18:25.44 | freeRag | thats were the M$ is |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | stoned: then stop conversing with him, move on to someone else |
| 18:25.52 | stoned | mythomaniac, dpkg told you about 'search' a very good factoid to know, which I did not want to type up myself, which is WHY we have the damn bot to begin with. |
| 18:26.05 | stoned | abrotman, done. |
| 18:26.08 | EulGlaude | JyZyXEL, tcpdumping ssh doesn't sound really sane ..... |
| 18:26.12 | abrotman | thank you! |
| 18:26.23 | stoned | abrotman, only for you baby |
| 18:26.25 | stoned | only for you |
| 18:26.27 | stoned | ;) |
| 18:26.28 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 18:26.30 | JyZyXEL | EulGlaude you should also learn to read |
| 18:26.33 | JyZyXEL | lulz |
| 18:26.50 | simonrvn | !lulz |
| 18:26.51 | dpkg | hmm... lulz is I did it all for the lulz!, or see <lol> |
| 18:26.52 | *** join/#debian jmeeuwen (n=kanarip@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kanarip) |
| 18:27.05 | dustybin | feels like a release-critical bug |
| 18:27.06 | EulGlaude | Ahh yeahhh, that's true, I Can't read JyZyXEL ..... |
| 18:27.20 | JyZyXEL | welcome to the club |
| 18:27.25 | EulGlaude | lol |
| 18:27.38 | stoned | eh.. readin's for rich people |
| 18:27.44 | stoned | heh. |
| 18:28.08 | dustybin | when debian lenny goes stable, does that mean the whole of the unstable branch gets moved into testing squeeze |
| 18:28.10 | mythomaniac | i see that a system then can be compromised through deleting their package cache and replace that file with one the is dubious because there is no way to verify where it came from, unless they use something like integit, or tripwire - thanks stoned and abrotman for showing me the way ^^ |
| 18:28.16 | abrotman | dustybin: not quite like that |
| 18:28.24 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 18:28.25 | stoned | dustybin, nothing moves anywhere really |
| 18:28.35 | abrotman | mythomaniac: debsums ? |
| 18:28.50 | dustybin | stoned: if testing turns into stable, what makes up the new testing? |
| 18:28.56 | stoned | testing |
| 18:28.59 | JyZyXEL | maybe the networks is so fucked up cause my computer is sending packets with 9000 payload size |
| 18:29.03 | dustybin | but that will be debian lenny? |
| 18:29.06 | JyZyXEL | and my debian box has 1500 MTY |
| 18:29.07 | JyZyXEL | MTU |
| 18:29.08 | abrotman | dustybin: after the release, testing stays frozen for a bit while people celebrate by making egg nog, then they re-open testing, and packages begin flowing in again |
| 18:29.10 | stoned | no it will be squeenze |
| 18:29.22 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 18:29.27 | stoned | squeeze |
| 18:29.32 | mythomaniac | abrotman, that is exactly what i was looking for LOL thanks |
| 18:29.35 | beardy | Which years egg nog? |
| 18:29.46 | abrotman | hpoefully lenny will release in 2009 :) |
| 18:29.49 | stoned | mythomaniac, what were you exctly looking for? |
| 18:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 18:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 18:30.12 | mythomaniac | stoned, its ok man, thanks for the help |
| 18:30.13 | dustybin | abrotman: so that means there will be debian lenny as stable, and the previous debian lenny testing still in existance frozen |
| 18:30.17 | EulGlaude | debian releases too often |
| 18:30.21 | *** join/#debian Lifeform (n=Lifeform@185.84-48-91.nextgentel.com) |
| 18:30.31 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:30.39 | stoned | mythomaniac, scroll up, I alrady told you about apt-cache policy, md5 sums checking and whatever else abrotman told you... again. |
| 18:30.47 | beardy | dustybin: No, when lenny becomes stable, testing changes name that very millisecond. |
| 18:30.52 | stoned | argh.. I'm getting irritated all over again. |
| 18:30.55 | stoned | *AFK* |
| 18:31.01 | *** join/#debian rodpod (i=rod@hick.org) |
| 18:31.05 | abrotman | dustybin: for a little bit .. but it will be re-aliased to squeeze and opened |
| 18:31.08 | EulGlaude | mythomaniac, I think you have the right nicname |
| 18:31.09 | *** join/#debian _buno_ (n=bernd@nrbg-4dbe4b75.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 18:31.11 | dustybin | beardy: the name changes, but the contents of testing will still be frozen while people make egg nog |
| 18:31.19 | beardy | dustybin: Yes. |
| 18:31.20 | mythomaniac | EulGlaude, yes i do ;) |
| 18:31.30 | EulGlaude | mythomaniac, why not installing OS X ? |
| 18:31.39 | mythomaniac | EulGlaude, because its a pos |
| 18:31.50 | stoned | by those standards debian is also a pos |
| 18:31.55 | stoned | as is unix or bsd or windows |
| 18:31.56 | mythomaniac | stoned, no its not |
| 18:31.58 | stoned | yes it is. |
| 18:32.13 | sylar | when I do 'ps -o pcpu,pid -C progname' there is no change in %cpu even ifthere should be |
| 18:32.29 | EulGlaude | pos is Posix Operating System ? that's it ? |
| 18:32.30 | dustybin | testing is debians desktop :D |
| 18:32.34 | mythomaniac | stoned, debian is the best linux variant out there, package system rules all - so much so ian is working for sun ^^ |
| 18:32.42 | abrotman | dustybin: i've told you multiple times not to track testing |
| 18:32.44 | stoned | mythomaniac, nothing is universal. |
| 18:32.53 | abrotman | or rather .. track "testing" |
| 18:32.56 | dustybin | unstable + experimental are for debian hackers :P |
| 18:33.08 | stoned | mythomaniac, as such os x is a fantastic os, perhaps not for you, but rethink your statements. |
| 18:33.16 | mythomaniac | stoned, but within the debian world it is |
| 18:33.20 | stoned | no |
| 18:33.24 | abrotman | could we not have this useless discussion here? |
| 18:33.25 | stoned | there is no comparison |
| 18:33.32 | mythomaniac | stoned, how so? |
| 18:33.37 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 18:33.37 | dustybin | actually, unstable is for the folk at ubuntu :P |
| 18:33.37 | EulGlaude | hummm what is a pos ? |
| 18:33.41 | *** join/#debian chlue (n=to@hnvr-4dbd14c2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 18:33.42 | stoned | discuss there |
| 18:33.45 | *** join/#debian quentusrex_ (n=nobody@ip24-255-109-37.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 18:33.57 | craigevil | dustybin: unstable+exp rules :) |
| 18:34.07 | dustybin | craigevil: be quiet hacker |
| 18:34.13 | quentusrex_ | Is there a way to scan a hard drive for problems? I think I have a hard drive with bad blocks. |
| 18:34.20 | abrotman | badblocks |
| 18:34.32 | EulGlaude | smartmontools quentusrex_ |
| 18:34.55 | dustybin | the reason why I am asking all these questions, is because I cannot decide what linux desktop to use |
| 18:35.11 | *** join/#debian Mirthas (n=greenthu@p57925AA6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:35.19 | stoned | quentusrex_, bad sector fix |
| 18:35.36 | EulGlaude | dustybin, what desktop ???? KDE if you need a desktop, ratpoison if not |
| 18:35.45 | stoned | its a free tool, google for it, it doesn't matter the hdd or the FS type, it physically scans the surface marking bad ones etc. |
| 18:35.57 | stoned | or use badblocks, its ok too |
| 18:35.59 | quentusrex_ | does knoppix have smartmontools? |
| 18:36.08 | stoned | quentusrex_, ask in #knoppix |
| 18:36.09 | dustybin | EulGlaude: i mean distro |
| 18:36.17 | stoned | quentusrex_, we do not know what knoppix does or doesn't contain |
| 18:36.21 | quentusrex_ | sorry, |
| 18:36.23 | stoned | quentusrex_, we know only what debian contains |
| 18:36.25 | EulGlaude | dustybin, what are your needs ? |
| 18:36.45 | quentusrex_ | what smartmontools command would do a 'thorough' check. |
| 18:37.01 | EulGlaude | dustybin, Debian is the only distribution you install and keep up2date for years, that's invaluable |
| 18:37.11 | *** join/#debian Brack101 (n=tbracket@mail.midcoforklift.com) |
| 18:37.17 | Brack101 | hi |
| 18:37.18 | abrotman | quentusrex_: try #knoppix |
| 18:37.25 | Brack101 | how can I tell if I have MIT or Heimdal kerberos installed? |
| 18:37.37 | dustybin | EulGlaude: fairly up-to-date, doesnt have to be cutting edge, pretty stable, doesnt have to be 100% stable, nice package manager |
| 18:37.46 | dustybin | EulGlaude: Debian Testing matches that ^^ |
| 18:38.02 | EulGlaude | smartctl quentusrex_ |
| 18:38.33 | craigevil | EulGlaude: keep up to date for 2 yrs? my install is almost 5 yrs old |
| 18:38.43 | simonrvn | Brack101: use dpkg to find out |
| 18:38.43 | EulGlaude | dustybin, I totally agree with that conclusion |
| 18:39.15 | Brack101 | simonrvn: How do I know which package? |
| 18:39.23 | EulGlaude | I said for years craigevil , that might 2 or 5 |
| 18:39.38 | simonrvn | dpkg -l is your friend |
| 18:39.38 | dpkg | ii is your friend 1.3-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:40.03 | Brack101 | k |
| 18:40.10 | *** join/#debian DeadFishMan (n=rogerio@189-18-40-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 18:40.27 | simonrvn | it accepts globs, regexp |
| 18:41.58 | dustybin | I know this is off-topic, however, am I right in thinking, Debian Testing and Debian Stable, is a bit like Fedora and RHEL ? |
| 18:42.15 | stoned | not even close |
| 18:42.16 | dustybin | in the way stuff gets tested first |
| 18:42.19 | EulGlaude | RHEL sucks |
| 18:42.20 | Brack101 | has anyone got a good guide for creating a samba domain member server for file sharing in an active directory environment on Debian? None of the guides I've found thus far have worked |
| 18:42.24 | *** join/#debian Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) |
| 18:42.40 | stoned | dustybin, barely |
| 18:42.45 | dustybin | i thought fedora is kind of like RHEL testing |
| 18:42.45 | EulGlaude | RHEL is sold as a server OS, tuned for Desktop use |
| 18:42.53 | stoned | dustybin, its nothing alike, even in the development and testing process |
| 18:42.56 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 18:42.58 | *** join/#debian GhostOfSparta (n=konversa@20151068059.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 18:43.45 | stoned | this is why debian is unique among linuxii/linuxes(whatever is the correct plural form) |
| 18:43.57 | stoned | linuxen? |
| 18:44.04 | theholyduck | because we have 4 simultanious branches? |
| 18:44.06 | theholyduck | - old ones |
| 18:44.07 | theholyduck | obvously |
| 18:44.08 | *** join/#debian stoffell (n=stoffell@d51A4D629.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:44.16 | *** join/#debian PegaS (n=pegas@62.16.70.112) |
| 18:45.00 | stoned | you know imo debian is top notch in stability right after open and then after free bsds |
| 18:45.11 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 18:45.24 | theholyduck | i always use unstable |
| 18:45.32 | theholyduck | because stable and testing is booring |
| 18:45.38 | stoned | even after ALL canocial and ubuntu do, people still come to debian after they realize the worthlessness of ubuntu, and thats just one example |
| 18:45.45 | *** join/#debian Batchy (n=batchy@AVelizy-155-1-54-48.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:45.50 | stoned | but anyway, that neithere here nor there |
| 18:46.00 | wiedenmann | I smell some flamer over here |
| 18:46.11 | theholyduck | wiedenmann, hes right though |
| 18:46.24 | *** join/#debian forestmars_ (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 18:46.27 | theholyduck | ubuntu is like a stable mirror with etch for kernel and desktop |
| 18:46.31 | theholyduck | and then bloat and shittyness |
| 18:46.31 | *** join/#debian jmeeuwen`_ (n=kanarip@vito.kanarip.com) |
| 18:46.35 | theholyduck | LOADS of it |
| 18:46.37 | wiedenmann | theholyduck: hes right in your opinion, why do you asume there are no other views? |
| 18:46.39 | stoned | like I said, its neither here nor there |
| 18:46.45 | theholyduck | and nobody knows how the damn thing works anymore |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | theholyduck: try #debian-offtopic |
| 18:46.54 | wiedenmann | pointless discussion |
| 18:46.55 | stoned | its offtopic, go to #debian-offtopic or #debian-chat |
| 18:47.29 | *** join/#debian rdz_ (n=roman@adsl-89-217-170-20.adslplus.ch) |
| 18:49.27 | stoned | so... if she weights the same as a duck... she's a witch |
| 18:49.33 | stoned | ahhh boy |
| 18:49.49 | stoned | even with -C ssh -X across 10mbit lan is kinda slow |
| 18:50.17 | *** join/#debian jtaji (n=jtaji@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 18:50.47 | stoned | http://wiki.debian.org/freenx <- haven't tried nx in a while |
| 18:51.01 | mythomaniac | wow debsums rocks! |
| 18:51.41 | stoned | lets see what we can accomplish... I wonder if the slowness is in the drawing of the windows... as I'm on Xming -> Debian Xorg |
| 18:51.44 | wiedenmann | whats debsum? |
| 18:51.59 | stoned | wiedenmann, you can find out for yourself I'm sure. |
| 18:52.40 | mythomaniac | wiedenmann, it verifies installed Debian package files against MD5 checksum lists from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 18:52.41 | stoned | 1gb ram, 1.8ghz p4,kde 3.5.9, xbase-clients and Xming on xp pro x64 3.5ghz c2d e6300 + 4gb ram |
| 18:52.58 | wiedenmann | mythomaniac: good to know, meight be handy some day. |
| 18:53.05 | mythomaniac | wiedenmann, on man it is... |
| 18:53.38 | *** join/#debian nse (i=leo@189-87-38-49.rec.megazon.com.br) |
| 18:54.04 | stoned | mythomaniac, trivia: do you know what watches over the md5sums? How can you be sure that the downloaded md5sums are correct? |
| 18:54.08 | *** join/#debian zir0faive (n=zir0faiv@mar92-2-82-67-214-216.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:54.16 | *** join/#debian meff (n=meff@unaffiliated/meff) |
| 18:54.24 | *** part/#debian suk (i=sukki@5.dollar.sucky.sucky.at.shellium.org) |
| 18:54.34 | stoned | or official, etc. |
| 18:54.36 | mythomaniac | stoned, wow, i never thought about that, and i have no idea? |
| 18:55.00 | stoned | :) |
| 18:55.08 | stoned | Well now you can think about it |
| 18:55.13 | mythomaniac | stoned, do tell though |
| 18:55.15 | mythomaniac | oh man |
| 18:55.17 | mythomaniac | ;( |
| 18:55.27 | nse | Hello very interesting people! Is there a way to read again that stuff which tells me the packages that were updated/instaleed/removed by apt-get within the last update I just did. I lost it up on the screen when the gterm can only show me a finite number of lines. It was a huge update and I would like to be aware of it. :) |
| 18:55.31 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 18:55.31 | stoned | excercise your mind and research skills, I'll still be here at the end of the day |
| 18:55.34 | stoned | I'm here 24/7 |
| 18:55.35 | *** join/#debian RA3OR (i=angel@78.97.152.12) |
| 18:55.44 | mythomaniac | stoned, ok ;) |
| 18:55.49 | stoned | well, when I'm not sleeping or pooping that is |
| 18:55.54 | stoned | *brb* |
| 18:55.55 | mythomaniac | LOL |
| 18:55.56 | wiedenmann | nse: I think there is some log in /var/log/apt??? |
| 18:56.15 | *** join/#debian vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) |
| 18:58.43 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) |
| 18:58.49 | nse | wiedenmann: Wow something really straange happened. There was a non gzed file which indeed had the last screen but it was not enough. When I tryed to cat the first gzed file my terminal gone arab. :S |
| 18:59.04 | *** join/#debian enouf (n=stompthe@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 18:59.10 | *** join/#debian magentar (n=magentar@82.113.121.18) |
| 18:59.31 | wiedenmann | type reseet |
| 18:59.39 | *** part/#debian GhostOfSparta (n=konversa@20151068059.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 19:00.04 | nse | fine |
| 19:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 19:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 19:00.06 | *** join/#debian Winkie (n=urmom@ur.fa.gs) |
| 19:00.36 | *** join/#debian archman__ (n=archman@89-201-201-170.dsl.optinet.hr) |
| 19:00.39 | archman__ | hello |
| 19:01.16 | archman__ | guys, i have pentium 3 running win2000 on it, can i now install etch with dualboot option? |
| 19:01.22 | archman__ | 256mb ram |
| 19:01.26 | archman__ | 600mhz |
| 19:01.48 | meyou | sure |
| 19:01.48 | archman__ | (not my primary machine;) ) |
| 19:01.52 | archman__ | nice! |
| 19:01.53 | enouf | archman__: why not? |
| 19:01.57 | meyou | assuming you got the disk space |
| 19:02.12 | archman__ | 5gb's ? |
| 19:02.19 | enouf | archman__: my primary machine is a p2 350MHz, 512 Ram |
| 19:02.24 | EulGlaude | forget the dual boot, put w2k out |
| 19:02.27 | archman__ | enouf: hehe |
| 19:02.37 | *** join/#debian hmtt (n=hmtt@ers88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:02.39 | hmtt | hiall |
| 19:03.20 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix (n=neosmatr@p57B7F0BC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:03.22 | hmtt | who use vmware on linux? |
| 19:03.28 | archman__ | i us |
| 19:03.30 | archman__ | i use |
| 19:03.31 | enouf | archman__: a typical DE install eats ~2G space, 5 is plenty, but adding new HDDs in the near future would be good |
| 19:03.35 | hmtt | is there any free version? |
| 19:03.37 | *** join/#debian oscar (n=oscar@146.82.89.170) |
| 19:03.47 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe2 (n=havoc@SE400.PPPoE-4902.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 19:03.47 | enouf | ask #vmware |
| 19:04.06 | archman__ | enouf: can you give me some good tutorial link to installing dual boot? |
| 19:04.18 | archman__ | hmtt: dunno, sorry |
| 19:04.19 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@host99-25-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:04.30 | wiedenmann | I am curious as to why C++ doesnt have the arithmetic power, like 2**3 or 2^3 or anything else. |
| 19:04.45 | stew | wiedenmann: ask ##c++ |
| 19:04.46 | EulGlaude | hmtt I use kvm/qemu that runs well |
| 19:05.49 | hmtt | EulGlaude, i use VirtualBox and runs ok but i have problems with keyboart localization in PL language |
| 19:06.01 | hmtt | and some problems with wirtual network |
| 19:06.41 | *** join/#debian Nameeater (i=dean@unaffiliated/nameeater) |
| 19:06.58 | EulGlaude | hmtt, with kvm/qemu, I have no problem for a french keyboard, Virtualbox I think doesn't provide network in its free version |
| 19:07.15 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, err |
| 19:07.16 | theholyduck | it does |
| 19:07.28 | theholyduck | but bridging is harder than on vmware |
| 19:07.38 | EulGlaude | hmtt, under KVM/QEMU you can bridge without a problem between guest and host OS |
| 19:07.38 | *** part/#debian chlue (n=to@hnvr-4dbd14c2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 19:07.45 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, you can here |
| 19:07.53 | theholyduck | but in VMWARE it does it automatically |
| 19:08.03 | theholyduck | where as vbox only does nat networking |
| 19:08.05 | *** join/#debian SpellWeaver (n=virus@203.199.213.3) |
| 19:08.06 | theholyduck | automatically |
| 19:08.22 | *** join/#debian themill (n=stuart@86.53.48.59) |
| 19:08.41 | hmtt | EulGlaude, provide network guest to guest but port forwarding from host to guest was not simple |
| 19:09.00 | enouf | archman__: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:09.05 | EulGlaude | just create a tap with /usr/sbin/openvpn --mktun |
| 19:09.32 | *** join/#debian Gunirus_ (n=Gunirus@ip-81-11-207-168.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 19:09.34 | EulGlaude | port forwarding ??? you need some simple iptables |
| 19:10.02 | EulGlaude | your problem has nothing to do with virtualisation hmtt |
| 19:10.37 | archman__ | enouf: sorry? |
| 19:11.27 | *** join/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.21.74) |
| 19:11.39 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:12.06 | EulGlaude | hmtt You should have a look to some tutorials about port forwarding with iptables |
| 19:12.39 | Ward1983 | are there logs for this channel? i didnt setup my scrollback to be of decent length yet and i lost an important thing :( |
| 19:12.42 | Ward1983 | command |
| 19:12.43 | enouf | archman__: for more generic grub things, dual boot with windows; http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm - but note, that aspect is such a small part - grub is a bootloader, ntldr is win2k/xp boot loader (and some other files, ntdetect.com, boot.ini are importat) -- you install grub into MBR and make it chainload the ntldr |
| 19:12.45 | *** join/#debian pkempgen (n=pkempgen@p57B65E1F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:13.08 | enouf | !+tell archman__ -about ig |
| 19:13.09 | dpkg | told archman__ about ig. |
| 19:13.37 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) |
| 19:14.34 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, what for ? |
| 19:14.43 | *** join/#debian duckx (n=Duck@81.57.39.234) |
| 19:14.57 | *** join/#debian alfadir_ (n=alfadir@e180047151.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:14.58 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, i lost a solution to one of my questions |
| 19:14.58 | *** part/#debian pkempgen (n=pkempgen@p57B65E1F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:15.25 | EulGlaude | which was ? |
| 19:15.46 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, question was i added the experimental repo in lenny, and i added "APT::Default-Release lenny;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:15.55 | Ward1983 | now how can i install stuff from the experimental repo? |
| 19:16.13 | Ward1983 | oif you search for "APT::Default-Release lenny;" in your scrollback you should find it |
| 19:16.16 | archman__ | enouf: i used grub with ubuntu/xp; will debian setup give me an option to dualboot? |
| 19:16.56 | enouf | archman__: ofcourse - /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 19:17.06 | enouf | archman__: /msg dpkg debian-based |
| 19:17.07 | *** join/#debian path__ (n=path@114-115-21-190.adsl.terra.cl) |
| 19:17.45 | *** part/#debian neighborlee (i=neighbor@c-24-16-17-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 19:17.56 | enouf | Ward1983: tried /lastlog ? |
| 19:18.30 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: got your policyrouting working? |
| 19:18.50 | Ward1983 | enouf, i did now, doesnt find a thing |
| 19:19.08 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, no i'm trying to get my wlan0 working first |
| 19:19.11 | *** part/#debian wiedenmann (n=wiedenma@liszt.physik.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 19:19.22 | Rawplayer | ok :) |
| 19:19.25 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, the AP uses a 10 character WEP key |
| 19:19.30 | archman__ | enouf: ok, i already have 5gb unpartitioned, i'll run setup and see if it will give me an option |
| 19:19.31 | Ward1983 | thats hex i read |
| 19:19.36 | Ward1983 | but i dunno how to tell iwconfig |
| 19:20.00 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: did you put 0x in front? |
| 19:20.17 | *** join/#debian g0n (n=ggon@171.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:20.21 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, in front of? |
| 19:20.37 | enouf | he means prepend, i guess |
| 19:20.45 | Rawplayer | wconfig [interface] key 1111-1111-1111-1111 (set 128 bit WEP key) |
| 19:20.45 | Rawplayer | iwconfig [interface] key 11111111 (set 64 bit WEP key) |
| 19:20.46 | Rawplayer | iwconfig [interface] key s:mykey (set key as an ASCII string) |
| 19:21.17 | Ward1983 | searches for 0x |
| 19:21.22 | Ward1983 | cannot see it |
| 19:22.14 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i dunno what you mean by that 0x |
| 19:22.23 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i did it with key 1111111111 |
| 19:22.25 | Rawplayer | hmm i used to put that in front of my key |
| 19:22.28 | Rawplayer | http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.html#wifiiface |
| 19:22.30 | Ward1983 | jsut like you said is how i did it |
| 19:22.34 | Ward1983 | and it doesnt work |
| 19:22.48 | *** join/#debian moolio (n=mneedham@fred.hdfgroup.uiuc.edu) |
| 19:22.59 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, aaaaaah 0x1111111111 for example? |
| 19:23.08 | EulGlaude | oh putain un montferrandais bordel ! |
| 19:23.12 | enouf | Ward1983: a preceeding 0x usually denotes a hex value is appended to it, so 0x111111 type thing, but i have no idea what he means |
| 19:23.32 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: yes.. |
| 19:23.43 | Ward1983 | enouf, Rawplayer ok will try, brb, cross your fingers |
| 19:23.50 | simonrvn | EulGlaude: er, ok... |
| 19:23.54 | oscar | hello everybody, i'm trying compile mplayer with amr support, but send me this error to compile with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 19:24.03 | Ward1983 | hes just swearing in french dont mind him :p |
| 19:24.19 | oscar | send me this error dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libamrnb.so.3 (used by debian/mplayer/usr/bin/mplayer). dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512 |
| 19:24.22 | simonrvn | j'l'sais qu'il est |
| 19:24.28 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 19:24.47 | oscar | :( |
| 19:25.19 | enouf | oscar: pastebin output of ./configure - but that sounds/looks like you have another version of mplayer installed - did you pull source from mplayer svn? |
| 19:25.39 | enouf | oscar: oh, you're using debian sources? from sid? lenny? dmm? |
| 19:25.46 | oscar | i get mplayer with apt-get source |
| 19:25.52 | oscar | lenny |
| 19:26.01 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@64.47.164.86) |
| 19:26.04 | *** join/#debian jmeeuwen (n=kanarip@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kanarip) |
| 19:28.37 | enouf | oscar: well .. not sure what the changes are to our sources - but when you need to compile mplayer, you could grab the mplayer svn stuff, that's what i would do -- i just don't know if amr support is still in the code (debian sources), removed for some reason (buggy), a security issue, or what .. you'd need to step through the debian/rules and such -- but looks like a Shell library deps issue - you might need a certain -dev pkg .. i know i |
| 19:28.38 | enouf | install many -dev pkgs when i tried |
| 19:28.53 | enouf | !amr |
| 19:28.53 | dpkg | i guess amr is audio modem riser slot, or an implication of brokenness, someone said.. Adaptive Multi-Rate an audio compression scheme used with GSM phones |
| 19:29.06 | enouf | thinks the latter |
| 19:29.32 | *** part/#debian nse (i=leo@189-87-38-49.rec.megazon.com.br) |
| 19:29.39 | *** join/#debian infobot (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 19:29.39 | *** topic/#debian is 4.0r6 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg lenny status | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic |
| 19:29.39 | *** join/#debian infobot (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 19:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 19:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 19:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 19:31.44 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl7-10-189.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 19:31.44 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl7-10-189.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 19:31.44 | *** join/#debian kilt (n=quassel@86.98.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 19:31.44 | *** join/#debian kilt (n=quassel@86.98.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 19:31.53 | *** join/#debian aarkerio (i=manuel@201.124.86.110) |
| 19:31.53 | *** join/#debian aarkerio (i=manuel@201.124.86.110) |
| 19:32.06 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-109-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:32.06 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-109-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:33.22 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) |
| 19:33.22 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) |
| 19:33.33 | *** join/#debian obsethryl (n=george@unaffiliated/obsethryl) |
| 19:33.33 | *** join/#debian obsethryl (n=george@unaffiliated/obsethryl) |
| 19:33.52 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, nah it doesnt work |
| 19:34.13 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, also there are o many ways of putting this in /etc/networkinterfaces ... |
| 19:34.23 | Ward1983 | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:35.03 | EulGlaude | 897 guys on this chan, 3 speaking ... interesting ..... |
| 19:35.45 | jelly-home | sssh. |
| 19:36.26 | aarkerio | 893 are already allmigthy ;-) |
| 19:36.27 | oscar | thz enouf :) |
| 19:36.38 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host15.190-30-186.telecom.net.ar) |
| 19:36.38 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host15.190-30-186.telecom.net.ar) |
| 19:36.47 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-230.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 19:36.47 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-230.wlms-broadband.com) |
| 19:36.49 | kilt | EulGlaude: in fact I'm here because I have 160 packages to upgrade today in sid (already upgraded yesterday) and I wondered if there is a problem |
| 19:37.07 | Ward1983 | ok PLEASE does anyone know how i can make a bridge and add my wlan0 to it just like i do with my regular ethernet? |
| 19:37.08 | kilt | seems not :> |
| 19:37.11 | EulGlaude | may be they are all calibans waiting to eat the greasiest of us |
| 19:37.11 | EulGlaude | may be they are all calibans waiting to eat the greasiest of us |
| 19:37.16 | Ward1983 | i really need it to test something and i cannot :( |
| 19:37.20 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@student-213-9.sunyit.edu) |
| 19:37.20 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@student-213-9.sunyit.edu) |
| 19:37.31 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: put your AP open is not an option?:) |
| 19:37.58 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, its not a problem to configure its the bridge thats the problem.... |
| 19:38.00 | EulGlaude | kilt, sorry didn't want to hurt someone |
| 19:38.07 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i need mode master and thats impossible or so it seems |
| 19:38.15 | kilt | no problem EulGlaude ^^ |
| 19:38.17 | *** join/#debian mhymn (i=mhymn@unaffiliated/mhymn) |
| 19:38.17 | *** join/#debian mhymn (i=mhymn@unaffiliated/mhymn) |
| 19:38.20 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: with brctl |
| 19:38.21 | Rawplayer | to bridge |
| 19:38.28 | *** join/#debian wiedenmann (n=wiedenma@liszt.physik.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 19:38.28 | *** join/#debian wiedenmann (n=wiedenma@liszt.physik.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 19:38.40 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i know but i cannot set promiscuous mode |
| 19:38.44 | Ward1983 | or master moe |
| 19:38.47 | Ward1983 | whatever its called |
| 19:38.51 | wiedenmann | dpkg -S /usr/bin/awk; dpkg: /usr/bin/awk not found; Am I missing something here. I am confused. |
| 19:38.52 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/awk; dpkg: /usr/bin/awk not found; Am I missing something here. I am confused.: Status: install ok installed |
| 19:38.52 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/awk; dpkg: /usr/bin/awk not found; Am I missing something here. I am confused.: Status: install ok installed |
| 19:38.54 | Rawplayer | mmm ok.. |
| 19:39.02 | Rawplayer | twice nat?:) |
| 19:39.03 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 19:39.05 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, its wifi its not as simple as it sounds to ass a bridge to it |
| 19:39.25 | christoz | hello i compiz doesn't show up on my desktop settings, what should i do? |
| 19:39.36 | christoz | oops sorry |
| 19:39.40 | christoz | wrong channel |
| 19:39.40 | christoz | wrong channel |
| 19:39.53 | *** join/#debian jmeeuwen`_ (n=kanarip@vito.kanarip.com) |
| 19:39.53 | *** join/#debian jmeeuwen`_ (n=kanarip@vito.kanarip.com) |
| 19:40.00 | enouf | wiedenmann: try which awk and whereis |
| 19:40.02 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i dont think thats possible |
| 19:40.17 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, (not because its twice) |
| 19:40.19 | wiedenmann | enouf: it says /usr/bin/awk |
| 19:40.19 | wiedenmann | enouf: it says /usr/bin/awk |
| 19:41.20 | Brack101 | why does nobody ever want to help me with samba? Do linux people just not like it? |
| 19:41.45 | enouf | wiedenmann: i ues dlocate, ahh , it's a symlink |
| 19:41.51 | Rawplayer | Brack101: probably because there is tons of info about samba on the net |
| 19:41.58 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: other wlan nic? |
| 19:41.58 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: other wlan nic? |
| 19:41.58 | enouf | wiedenmann: readlink -f /usr/bin/awk |
| 19:42.01 | Rawplayer | atheros maybe |
| 19:42.11 | *** part/#debian gionn (n=scorp@php-fusion.it) |
| 19:42.15 | enouf | wiedenmann: it's controlled through update-alternatives system |
| 19:42.15 | enouf | wiedenmann: it's controlled through update-alternatives system |
| 19:42.19 | jelly-home | Brack101: have you tried a mailing list? |
| 19:42.29 | Brack101 | no I haven't, jelly |
| 19:42.35 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:42.35 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:42.36 | jelly-home | Brack101: why? |
| 19:42.38 | enouf | wiedenmann: so -- /usr/bin/mawk :-P |
| 19:42.42 | Brack101 | ignorance? |
| 19:42.47 | aarkerio | Brack101, you have tons of well/slowly/detailed explained Howtos in the net |
| 19:42.57 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, i have an atheros for my broken laptop, so thats not an option |
| 19:43.00 | wiedenmann | enouf: thank you. I tried ls -l /usr/bin/awk but it didnt show it as a link, i am even more confused now, but readlink worked |
| 19:43.02 | Brack101 | aarkerio: Yeah I've followed at least 4 of them and I still run into this same problem |
| 19:43.05 | enouf | wiedenmann: the symlink is likelt generated via the .postinst script |
| 19:43.06 | wiedenmann | enouf: is it a hardlink? |
| 19:43.18 | jelly-home | !d-u |
| 19:43.18 | dpkg | somebody said d-u was the debian-user list; sign up at http://lists.debian.org/. Use an interesting subject, and include useful information in the body, we're not mindreaders! |
| 19:43.18 | dpkg | somebody said d-u was the debian-user list; sign up at http://lists.debian.org/. Use an interesting subject, and include useful information in the body, we're not mindreaders! |
| 19:43.19 | enouf | which means it's not in/listed a pkgname |
| 19:43.21 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, since its PCMCIA |
| 19:43.24 | *** join/#debian JuRiJ (n=JuRiJ@adsl-dyn184.78-99-183.t-com.sk) |
| 19:43.24 | *** join/#debian JuRiJ (n=JuRiJ@adsl-dyn184.78-99-183.t-com.sk) |
| 19:43.29 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 19:43.29 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 19:43.29 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 19:43.38 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: there are pci converters for pcmcia.. |
| 19:43.52 | Rawplayer | where you can plugin a pcmcia into a pci card |
| 19:43.56 | Rawplayer | or buy a pci card |
| 19:43.58 | enouf | wiedenmann: no - watch ; /usr/bin/awk -> /etc/alternatives/awk -- /etc/alternatives/awk -> /usr/bin/mawk |
| 19:43.58 | enouf | wiedenmann: no - watch ; /usr/bin/awk -> /etc/alternatives/awk -- /etc/alternatives/awk -> /usr/bin/mawk |
| 19:44.10 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, are they expensive? |
| 19:44.12 | Rawplayer | i've bought a tp-link TP-651G for 15,90 euro |
| 19:44.21 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, im unemployed i wont buy anything unless i REALLY have to |
| 19:44.39 | enouf | wiedenmann: update-alternatives --list awk (then swap --list with --config to set another one as default, if there are more than one) |
| 19:44.56 | Brack101 | as far as I can tell I've done everything correctly but it's not working as described..I'm sure I did something wrong but I sure as hel can't figure out what |
| 19:45.14 | wiedenmann | enouf: thank you. I still try to understand why ls -l didnt show it was a link |
| 19:45.23 | theholyduck | Ward1983, instead of bridging, use routing? |
| 19:45.26 | *** join/#debian giusef (n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef) |
| 19:45.26 | *** join/#debian giusef (n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef) |
| 19:45.26 | wiedenmann | enouf: \ls -l /usr/bin/awk works |
| 19:45.26 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: i see |
| 19:45.27 | Rawplayer | ok |
| 19:45.35 | *** join/#debian whj (n=whj@adsl-75-40-35-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:45.35 | *** join/#debian whj (n=whj@adsl-75-40-35-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:45.48 | enouf | ~$ grep /usr/bin/awk /var/lib/dpkg/info/mawk.postinst |
| 19:45.49 | enouf | update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/bin/awk awk /usr/bin/mawk 5 |
| 19:45.49 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, i dont think im gonna be able to set that up |
| 19:45.49 | enouf | update-alternatives --quiet --install /usr/bin/awk awk /usr/bin/mawk 5 |
| 19:45.49 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, i dont think im gonna be able to set that up |
| 19:45.54 | theholyduck | shorewall |
| 19:45.59 | theholyduck | google it |
| 19:46.05 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, unless thers a step by step howto somewhere |
| 19:46.09 | theholyduck | its waaaay easier than bridging |
| 19:46.22 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, maybe if you know linux routing |
| 19:46.29 | EulGlaude | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.30 | Ward1983 | i barily know basi networking |
| 19:46.35 | *** join/#debian msaizar (n=martin@r190-135-170-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 19:46.35 | *** join/#debian msaizar (n=martin@r190-135-170-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 19:46.38 | theholyduck | good examples. and step by steps how to do it |
| 19:46.48 | theholyduck | Ward1983, i'll help you in a bit |
| 19:46.49 | piko | Hi, I have strange message from cron daemon perhaps from this line in crontab. Could anyone verify that it is ok ? /etc/crontab:10 * * * * root /usr/bin/test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons |
| 19:47.14 | wiedenmann | enouf: it seems i had ls as an alias for ls -CFH --color=auto. When I remove the H it works, although -H is supposed to show the size in blocks, this is realy strange. |
| 19:47.15 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:47.15 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:47.23 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, sure thanx |
| 19:47.24 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: and set routes to the subnets |
| 19:47.33 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, yeah i know about that i used routing for my PDA once |
| 19:47.42 | Rawplayer | it's not that harD: ) |
| 19:47.42 | Ward1983 | over USB networking |
| 19:47.44 | piko | I do not see anything wrong on this |
| 19:47.44 | piko | I do not see anything wrong on this |
| 19:48.03 | giusef | Hi all. Why do I have this? http://rafb.net/p/yoxti238.html - Installing apache2 it installed its deps, but removing apache2 it didn't remove them. |
| 19:48.34 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, still gonna wait for theholyduck, i was gonna go for a smoke anyway |
| 19:48.40 | giusef | I really didn't understand how does aptitude work |
| 19:48.57 | giusef | and debian packages in general |
| 19:49.32 | Ward1983 | giusef, yes that normal |
| 19:49.35 | piko | giusef: what is the problem for debian packages? |
| 19:49.44 | theholyduck | giusef, you need to run an auto-remove |
| 19:49.50 | Ward1983 | piko, he explains it like 5 lines up |
| 19:49.51 | aarkerio | packages are just precompiled files (exec and libraries) |
| 19:49.51 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 19:49.51 | aarkerio | packages are just precompiled files (exec and libraries) |
| 19:49.51 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 19:49.53 | theholyduck | or whatever |
| 19:50.04 | aarkerio | try: apt-get --purge remove apache2* |
| 19:50.06 | theholyduck | Ward1983, anyways. shorewall is waaay easy |
| 19:50.20 | aarkerio | to remove all apache2 packages |
| 19:50.22 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, what is shorewall? |
| 19:50.22 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, what is shorewall? |
| 19:50.25 | piko | Ward1983: explain what? |
| 19:50.32 | theholyduck | Ward1983, a solution to configure iptables and what not |
| 19:50.32 | Ward1983 | piko, ffs never mind |
| 19:50.34 | theholyduck | to do routing :P |
| 19:50.37 | giusef | aarkerio, I cannot look to deps every time I want to uninstall something... |
| 19:50.40 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@dslb-092-076-104-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:50.40 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@dslb-092-076-104-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:50.41 | *** join/#debian whj (n=whj@adsl-75-40-35-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:50.41 | *** join/#debian whj (n=whj@adsl-75-40-35-47.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:50.51 | burris | I'm trying to use apt to get some old linux-kernel headers, they aren't in my current distribution but an older one (I'm on ubuntu intrepid, the headers I want are in hardy), I tried adding the older pacxage/source lines to sources.list and did an apt-get update but I still can't the package I want, am I doing it wrong? |
| 19:50.54 | theholyduck | giusef, aptitude SHOULD uninstall the uneeded stuff |
| 19:50.54 | theholyduck | giusef, aptitude SHOULD uninstall the uneeded stuff |
| 19:50.55 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, now that you typed iptables routing is not an option |
| 19:50.57 | giusef | aarkerio, it's why a package manager exists |
| 19:50.57 | giusef | aarkerio, it's why a package manager exists |
| 19:51.01 | theholyduck | Ward1983, how so? |
| 19:51.07 | theholyduck | what ARE you trying to do? |
| 19:51.08 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, i'm never ever looking at iptables again |
| 19:51.08 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, i'm never ever looking at iptables again |
| 19:51.08 | stew | giusef: the problem you are having is that aptitude and apt-get have separate databases to track which packages were automatically installed |
| 19:51.09 | giusef | theholyduck, should? |
| 19:51.16 | theholyduck | Ward1983, well shorewall is a FRONTEND |
| 19:51.16 | EmleyMoor | giusef: You don't *need* to - removing deps is optional |
| 19:51.16 | EmleyMoor | giusef: You don't *need* to - removing deps is optional |
| 19:51.18 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, too much frustration with it in the past |
| 19:51.25 | giusef | stew, I *always* used aptitude, really. |
| 19:51.28 | theholyduck | you dont do any iptables stuff in it |
| 19:51.31 | theholyduck | its plain text configs |
| 19:51.31 | theholyduck | its plain text configs |
| 19:51.34 | *** join/#debian moocow (n=new@76.77.79.226) |
| 19:51.34 | *** join/#debian moocow (n=new@76.77.79.226) |
| 19:51.35 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, firestarter too and that f**k*d up majorly |
| 19:51.36 | theholyduck | that translates into iptables stuff |
| 19:51.37 | stew | giusef: so if you had tried to remove the package with aptitude instead of apt-get (since you used aptitude for installing), it woul dhave auto-removed |
| 19:51.39 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@adsl-76-249-25-61.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:51.39 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@adsl-76-249-25-61.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:51.39 | giusef | EmleyMoor, I want to free space |
| 19:51.42 | theholyduck | Ward1983, well shorewall is easy |
| 19:51.49 | theholyduck | its plain text human readable. well documented |
| 19:51.50 | theholyduck | well written |
| 19:51.50 | theholyduck | well written |
| 19:51.53 | aarkerio | I always use apt-get, and works very well |
| 19:51.54 | stew | giusef: i'm sure you didn't always use aptitude |
| 19:51.55 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, firestarter is easy aswell |
| 19:51.58 | theholyduck | and it works iptables for you |
| 19:51.58 | theholyduck | and it works iptables for you |
| 19:52.03 | giusef | stew, I am... |
| 19:52.10 | theholyduck | Ward1983, well you're always going to rely on iptables on the bottom level |
| 19:52.13 | stew | giusef: i'm confused then, what is http://rafb.net/p/yoxti238.html |
| 19:52.17 | theholyduck | shorewall does without fucking up |
| 19:52.17 | theholyduck | shorewall does without fucking up |
| 19:52.27 | theholyduck | trust me on this one. i could talk my GRANDMA through shorewall |
| 19:52.47 | Ward1983 | giusef, apt-get autoremove |
| 19:52.50 | giusef | stew, the last command I used apt-get just for you all. |
| 19:52.59 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, ok sounds good then |
| 19:53.18 | piko | giusef: the problem is that apache2 is metapackage - it does not contain any files afaik, only it depends on several packages that together contains apache2 |
| 19:53.20 | EulGlaude | giusef, rm -rf ~giusef/pr0n, to get free space |
| 19:53.25 | theholyduck | Ward1983, just apt-get install shorewall |
| 19:53.36 | *** part/#debian tsairox (n=tsairox@ip68-224-79-178.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 19:53.42 | piko | giusef: using this, you can select eg. from several workers |
| 19:53.44 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, that stuff is NOT funny |
| 19:53.44 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, that stuff is NOT funny |
| 19:53.47 | stew | giusef: ok, then what is your question? i thought your question was "why weren't the apache2 deps removed" which the answer would be "becuase you removed apache2 with apt-get instead of aptitude" |
| 19:53.49 | giusef | EulGlaude, ehehe I use youporn for that :P |
| 19:53.50 | giusef | EulGlaude, ehehe I use youporn for that :P |
| 19:53.53 | Ward1983 | giusef, ignore EulGlaude |
| 19:54.02 | piko | giusef: sorry, not workers, but forms worker/prefork ... |
| 19:54.21 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, people might not know what that does and try variations of it.... |
| 19:54.30 | *** join/#debian mythomaniac (n=Fallen@unaffiliated/mythomaniac) |
| 19:54.30 | *** join/#debian mythomaniac (n=Fallen@unaffiliated/mythomaniac) |
| 19:54.41 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, about rm ? |
| 19:54.52 | Ward1983 | yes |
| 19:55.23 | giusef | piko, should I reinstall the whole system becouse _maybe_ I used apt-get once? |
| 19:55.25 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, im gonna go for a smoke first ill ping you when i get back if thats ok |
| 19:55.34 | stew | giusef: certainly not |
| 19:56.07 | *** join/#debian ||arifaX (n=||arifaX@unaffiliated/arifax/x-427475) |
| 19:56.07 | *** join/#debian ||arifaX (n=||arifaX@unaffiliated/arifax/x-427475) |
| 19:56.21 | giusef | So, if apt-get and aptitude could mess up my system, why they are still shipping them in Debian? |
| 19:56.23 | EmleyMoor | If you resume using aptitude you should be fine |
| 19:56.33 | theholyduck | giusef, because some people use apt-get |
| 19:56.36 | theholyduck | and others use aptitude |
| 19:56.36 | theholyduck | and others use aptitude |
| 19:56.40 | theholyduck | apt-get has build-dep |
| 19:56.40 | giusef | hm |
| 19:56.43 | theholyduck | among other things |
| 19:56.43 | stew | giusef: what do you mean? how can apt-get and aptitude mess up your system? |
| 19:56.44 | stew | giusef: what do you mean? how can apt-get and aptitude mess up your system? |
| 19:56.50 | theholyduck | stew, diffrent databases |
| 19:56.51 | theholyduck | etc |
| 19:56.53 | EulGlaude | Ward1983, is this possible to use a debian system and know nothing about rm ???? nonsense |
| 19:56.54 | theholyduck | for autoinstall |
| 19:56.55 | theholyduck | for autoinstall |
| 19:57.02 | theholyduck | soo if you install with apt-get |
| 19:57.05 | theholyduck | all the autoinstall stuff |
| 19:57.08 | giusef | stew, "forgiving" pkgs relations... just my opinion |
| 19:57.10 | theholyduck | wont get uninstalled with apt-get |
| 19:57.10 | theholyduck | wont get uninstalled with apt-get |
| 19:57.19 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, my friend who is a total linux noob installed linux once and it was debian.... |
| 19:57.20 | *** join/#debian debiantonio (n=debianto@200-102-66-20.paemt706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 19:57.20 | *** join/#debian debiantonio (n=debianto@200-102-66-20.paemt706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 19:57.27 | stew | theholyduck: you would be easier to understand if you didn't hit enter so often |
| 19:57.33 | theholyduck | stew, id never! |
| 19:57.37 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:57.37 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:57.52 | Ward1983 | EulGlaude, just saying that kind of commands should allways come with a gigantic warning |
| 19:57.56 | stew | theholyduck: and I don't see how this is "messing up your system" to the point where one or the other shouldn't be included in debian |
| 19:57.59 | EulGlaude | Some live smart things far too seriously |
| 19:58.00 | Ward1983 | it wouldnt be the first time someone tries it |
| 19:58.06 | theholyduck | stew, well me neither |
| 19:58.14 | theholyduck | but giusef seems to belive so |
| 19:58.15 | *** join/#debian DJ_DEXTER (n=Dark_X@unaffiliated/djdexter/x-827653) |
| 19:58.15 | *** join/#debian DJ_DEXTER (n=Dark_X@unaffiliated/djdexter/x-827653) |
| 19:58.21 | *** part/#debian DJ_DEXTER (n=Dark_X@unaffiliated/djdexter/x-827653) |
| 19:58.33 | theholyduck | i still use apt-get |
| 19:58.34 | EmleyMoor | I tend to use synaptic but use aptitude occasionally to tidy upu |
| 19:58.35 | EmleyMoor | up |
| 19:58.38 | theholyduck | out of habit and out of build-dep |
| 19:58.55 | theholyduck | apt-get build-dep is massivly usefull |
| 19:58.57 | theholyduck | apt-get build-dep is massivly usefull |
| 19:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 906] by debhelper |
| 19:59.02 | Ward1983 | true |
| 19:59.02 | Ward1983 | true |
| 19:59.07 | giusef | stew, so, trying to install apache2 using aptitude and removing that, it's the same... I'd like to understand this behaviour, really because I think once I'll do so, Debian could me my perfect distro. |
| 19:59.08 | EulGlaude | Ok so never do a rm -rf ~giusef/pr0n, don't waste your own collection |
| 19:59.11 | theholyduck | none of that mucking about by hand to get dependencies to build mplayer by source |
| 19:59.24 | EmleyMoor | I also need to apt-get build-dep occasionaly... if I need to backport or patch |
| 19:59.40 | stew | giusef: and what exactly aren't you understanding? |
| 20:00.03 | *** join/#debian eBow (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:00.03 | *** join/#debian eBow (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 20:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 20:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 20:00.16 | *** join/#debian R430R (i=angel@78.97.152.12) |
| 20:00.16 | *** join/#debian R430R (i=angel@78.97.152.12) |
| 20:00.21 | giusef | how to uninstall every unused, not explicitely installed package using aptitude |
| 20:00.31 | giusef | stew |
| 20:00.39 | theholyduck | giusef, the official reason to not use aptidue is more bugs and no source or build-dep |
| 20:00.41 | EulGlaude | apt-get auto-remove or something like that |
| 20:00.45 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:00.45 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:00.56 | theholyduck | the official reason not to use apt-get is that its old and not as fancy as aptitude in terms of packges |
| 20:01.03 | theholyduck | thus we have both |
| 20:01.09 | stew | giusef: for instance "aptitude remove apache2" would do this |
| 20:01.12 | giusef | theholyduck, so, my issue is I used aptitude right? |
| 20:01.14 | *** join/#debian phix (n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) |
| 20:01.14 | *** join/#debian phix (n=threat@123-243-44-131.tpgi.com.au) |
| 20:01.17 | theholyduck | giusef, well no |
| 20:01.26 | theholyduck | your issue is that you used BOTH aptitude AND apt-get |
| 20:01.31 | theholyduck | pick 1 or the other and stick with it |
| 20:01.34 | giusef | hm |
| 20:01.41 | stew | giusef: what issue? |
| 20:01.46 | giusef | stew, ... |
| 20:01.58 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:01.58 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:01.58 | theholyduck | :D |
| 20:01.59 | *** join/#debian flower (n=d@cc305009-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 20:01.59 | *** join/#debian flower (n=d@cc305009-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 20:02.05 | *** join/#debian magentar (n=magentar@82.113.106.20) |
| 20:02.05 | *** join/#debian magentar (n=magentar@82.113.106.20) |
| 20:02.08 | theholyduck | giusef, but if you run unstable like i do |
| 20:02.13 | theholyduck | you sometime have to dig out dpkg |
| 20:02.28 | theholyduck | because apt-get and aptitude doesnt do it right :P |
| 20:02.38 | theholyduck | and only dpkg really lets you force dependency stuff |
| 20:02.45 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:02.45 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:02.48 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student167-46.hampshire.edu) |
| 20:02.48 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student167-46.hampshire.edu) |
| 20:02.53 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.139.76.147) |
| 20:02.53 | *** join/#debian d0lphin_n0el (n=0pensour@85.139.76.147) |
| 20:02.59 | stew | giusef: is your issue "when i removed apache2 with apt-get the dependencies weren't removed"? |
| 20:03.06 | theholyduck | stew, yes |
| 20:03.15 | *** join/#debian yoruk (n=yoruk@host7-180-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:03.15 | *** join/#debian yoruk (n=yoruk@host7-180-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:03.15 | theholyduck | wich is fixed by always using aptitude or apt-get autoremove |
| 20:03.18 | EulGlaude | theholyduck, you are telling that debian tools to manage package are not mature |
| 20:03.25 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@64.47.164.86) |
| 20:03.25 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@64.47.164.86) |
| 20:03.25 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, no :P |
| 20:03.32 | theholyduck | im saying unstable occationaly cocks up |
| 20:03.38 | stew | theholyduck: it woul dnot be fixed by apt-get autoremove |
| 20:03.38 | giusef | well, I removed apache2 using aptitude, and I installed also using aptitude |
| 20:03.38 | stew | theholyduck: it woul dnot be fixed by apt-get autoremove |
| 20:03.38 | giusef | well, I removed apache2 using aptitude, and I installed also using aptitude |
| 20:03.42 | theholyduck | and introduces ireversable dependencies |
| 20:03.45 | |unjustice| | I just installed Debian on a 64 bit machine, and every time I shutdown it takes about 10 minutes to finish, says ""shutting down portmap daemon" |
| 20:03.49 | |unjustice| | any ideas? |
| 20:04.00 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, wich you then use dpkg to fix |
| 20:04.01 | stew | giusef: what was the issue when removing apache2 with aptitude? |
| 20:04.13 | theholyduck | maybe getting some packages from lenny to patch the holes |
| 20:04.13 | theholyduck | etc |
| 20:04.39 | EulGlaude | theholyduck, in fact I rarely used dpkg to remove something i must confess |
| 20:04.40 | giusef | stew, the unused, apache2 related, not explicitely installed packages, weren't removed as well |
| 20:04.40 | giusef | stew, the unused, apache2 related, not explicitely installed packages, weren't removed as well |
| 20:04.46 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, well me neither |
| 20:04.49 | *** join/#debian ivantis3 (n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com) |
| 20:04.49 | *** join/#debian ivantis3 (n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com) |
| 20:04.51 | theholyduck | but like.. |
| 20:04.56 | stew | giusef: can you show me? |
| 20:05.04 | theholyduck | i ran i386 for a while.. |
| 20:05.09 | giusef | stew, look to the paste above |
| 20:05.13 | theholyduck | they updated xchat on amd64 and what not |
| 20:05.14 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:05.14 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:05.19 | stew | giusef: i did, and I told you what the problem with that one was |
| 20:05.21 | theholyduck | but the update didnt go to i386 yet |
| 20:05.27 | *** join/#debian ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@128.220.154.75) |
| 20:05.27 | *** join/#debian ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@128.220.154.75) |
| 20:05.27 | stew | giusef: i'm talking about when you removed apache2 with aptitude |
| 20:05.30 | theholyduck | but xchat-common was updated |
| 20:05.37 | giusef | stew, I replied you ... |
| 20:05.40 | theholyduck | since i did a dist-upgrade without looking. |
| 20:05.59 | stew | giusef: i didn't get your reply. can you show me? |
| 20:06.01 | *** join/#debian ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@128.220.154.75) |
| 20:06.01 | *** join/#debian ninjaslim (n=sabeeh@128.220.154.75) |
| 20:06.17 | theholyduck | so i had to remove xchat-commons. and install a old one from lenny with dpkg, then apt-get xchat again |
| 20:06.22 | stew | giusef: the only one I saw was http://rafb.net/p/yoxti238.html |
| 20:06.26 | *** join/#debian CharminTehM00se_ (n=Count_fu@86.44.126.158) |
| 20:06.26 | *** join/#debian CharminTehM00se_ (n=Count_fu@86.44.126.158) |
| 20:06.29 | theholyduck | thats the sort of thing that happens when running unstable |
| 20:06.31 | Lethliel_ | I have a problem here. I googled but none of the solutions would help. I am trying to access You-Tube Videos, but they won't play. They show up and stop. I reinstalled the SWF Plugins for Iceweasel. I am using Lenny. Anyone with the same problems or a solution? |
| 20:06.43 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:06.43 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:07.02 | *** join/#debian julieN^ (n=julien@144.140.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 20:07.02 | *** join/#debian julieN^ (n=julien@144.140.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 20:07.18 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, basicly. running unstable puts you at high risk of something breaking. and you have to start doing stuff by hand. untill the package management stops shitting itself |
| 20:07.22 | enouf | Lethliel_: i happen to use the method "/msg dpkg youtube script" tells about - might want to try it, test it |
| 20:07.30 | EulGlaude | well theholyduck the problem is that sort of thing can happen because of dist-upgrade, not because of unstable |
| 20:07.34 | giusef | stew, is yours a flame? |
| 20:07.37 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, well sure :P |
| 20:07.46 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:07.46 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:07.48 | theholyduck | but running apt-get upgrade is too much of a chore |
| 20:07.55 | theholyduck | and that sometimes cocks up in OTHER ways |
| 20:08.07 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 20:08.07 | stew | giusef: a flame? no, why? |
| 20:08.45 | stew | giusef: if you showed me what was wrong with "aptitude remove apache2", I haven't been able to find where. I saw the above paste which was you using apt-get instead of aptitude, i'm looking for the one where you used apitutde |
| 20:08.47 | giusef | stew, ok. so, the paste above should explain the operations I did. aptitude to install apache2, aptitude to uninstall it, followed by aptitude autoremove |
| 20:08.49 | *** join/#debian lassiethebrave (n=user@213.180.77.55) |
| 20:08.50 | *** join/#debian lassiethebrave (n=user@213.180.77.55) |
| 20:08.51 | stew | giusef: sorry if i somehow overlooked it |
| 20:09.11 | giusef | hmm wait |
| 20:09.17 | EulGlaude | so man running stable, can encounters a problem that only experienced users can defeat, at a release of a new stable debian theholyduck , so we can say apt-get and friends are not mature |
| 20:09.39 | giusef | stew, ah yes sorry! |
| 20:09.51 | giusef | stew, it was another paste ... |
| 20:10.06 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@host16.190-136-29.telecom.net.ar) |
| 20:10.06 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@host16.190-136-29.telecom.net.ar) |
| 20:10.28 | stew | EulGlaude: apt-get and aptitude are mature. why do you think they are not? |
| 20:10.33 | *** join/#debian Rayne (n=Rayne3@pD9E3719C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:10.33 | *** join/#debian Rayne (n=Rayne3@pD9E3719C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:10.37 | *** join/#debian ofl_ (n=of@adsl241050.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 20:10.37 | *** join/#debian ofl_ (n=of@adsl241050.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 20:10.37 | Lethliel_ | enouf: thanks. i will give it a try. |
| 20:10.46 | craigevil | Lethliel_: either install flashplugin-nonfree from sid or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 20:10.59 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@p5B037DDF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:10.59 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@p5B037DDF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:11.12 | EulGlaude | stew, because of problems that may occurs on dist-upgrade, that needs dpkg to resume stew |
| 20:11.20 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, not really :P |
| 20:11.22 | *** join/#debian Lifeform (n=Lifeform@185.84-48-91.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:11.22 | *** join/#debian Lifeform (n=Lifeform@185.84-48-91.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:11.24 | theholyduck | that only really happens on UNSTABLE |
| 20:11.26 | stew | EulGlaude: can you give me an example? |
| 20:11.29 | theholyduck | and its not the fault of apt. |
| 20:11.33 | Lethliel_ | craigevil i have installed the flashplayer-mozilla from the multimedia-rep. |
| 20:11.36 | theholyduck | as much as the package reps being a bit buggy |
| 20:11.36 | theholyduck | as much as the package reps being a bit buggy |
| 20:11.39 | theholyduck | on unstable |
| 20:11.49 | craigevil | theholyduck: and rarely even on unstable |
| 20:11.53 | theholyduck | craigevil, yeah |
| 20:12.04 | giusef | stew, ok, I installed apache2 using aptitude. Now, using aptitude remove apache2 it uninstalls only apache2 pkg, as said above. How can I remove its unused deps, now? |
| 20:12.21 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 20:12.21 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 20:12.25 | theholyduck | giusef, you PROBALY ruined something with that apt-get |
| 20:12.33 | EulGlaude | dpkg to enforce wrong dependencies for example because dependencies have changes stew |
| 20:12.33 | dpkg | EulGlaude: You are moron #38 |
| 20:12.33 | dpkg | EulGlaude: You are moron #38 |
| 20:12.34 | theholyduck | giusef, what you SHOULD have done. i think |
| 20:13.00 | theholyduck | is install apache with apt-get, and then uninstall with aptitude |
| 20:13.02 | valdyn | EulGlaude: enforcing wrong deps is *wrong*, no matter if dpkg can do it or not |
| 20:13.03 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:13.04 | *** join/#debian eak (n=eak@78.160.53.0) |
| 20:13.04 | *** join/#debian eak (n=eak@78.160.53.0) |
| 20:13.08 | EulGlaude | don't understand the joke of this nice dpkg bot |
| 20:13.13 | stew | giusef: they should have been removed when you removed apache2. can you show me the output of "aptitude search apache2.2-common" |
| 20:13.14 | giusef | hmm |
| 20:13.23 | giusef | yes |
| 20:13.27 | theholyduck | but thats just my guess |
| 20:13.52 | stew | EulGlaude: i don't follow you. what do you mean by "enforce wrong dependencies"? where did these wrong dependencies come from? can you give me a concrete example? |
| 20:13.52 | giusef | server:~# aptitude search apache2.2-common |
| 20:13.52 | stew | EulGlaude: i don't follow you. what do you mean by "enforce wrong dependencies"? where did these wrong dependencies come from? can you give me a concrete example? |
| 20:13.52 | giusef | server:~# aptitude search apache2.2-common |
| 20:13.52 | giusef | i A apache2.2-common - Apache HTTP Server common files |
| 20:14.05 | theholyduck | stew, hes just missinterpreting what im saying |
| 20:14.08 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-077-000-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:14.08 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-077-000-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:14.15 | theholyduck | stew, and basing an argument on that. |
| 20:14.29 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, for upgrades between distros. where dependencies change. |
| 20:14.35 | theholyduck | debian provides transitional packages |
| 20:14.40 | theholyduck | err between releases |
| 20:14.41 | stew | giusef: ok, how about the output of "aptitude search '~i~Dapache2.2-common'" |
| 20:14.41 | stew | giusef: ok, how about the output of "aptitude search '~i~Dapache2.2-common'" |
| 20:14.43 | enouf | s/distros/releases ? |
| 20:14.45 | simonrvn | EulGlaude: it 'thinks' you were trying to give it a command, and it didn't 'get it'. |
| 20:14.48 | EulGlaude | theholyduck, ha ! |
| 20:14.59 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, but when running UNSTABLE. weird shit can happen |
| 20:15.05 | stew | EulGlaude: is what theholyduck is saying is true? that what you are saying is based on what he told you? |
| 20:15.09 | *** join/#debian newsense (n=newsense@unaffiliated/newsense) |
| 20:15.09 | *** join/#debian newsense (n=newsense@unaffiliated/newsense) |
| 20:15.14 | EulGlaude | thanx simonrvn |
| 20:15.15 | EulGlaude | thanx simonrvn |
| 20:15.22 | EmleyMoor | giusef: If you run aptitude in interactive mode and just hit g, does it show any packages being removed because they are no longer used? |
| 20:15.45 | theholyduck | stop using my unstable points. to argue that apt-get and aptitude sucks |
| 20:15.55 | archman__ | guys, i'm installing etch dualbooted with win2000, can i choose guided install or manual? |
| 20:15.58 | theholyduck | things that apply for unstable doesnt for stable and testing :P |
| 20:16.11 | *** join/#debian jtaji (n=jtaji@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 20:16.11 | *** join/#debian jtaji (n=jtaji@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 20:16.39 | EulGlaude | stew, I have encountered some dist-upgrade in the past (on testing) that leave me with some dependency shits |
| 20:16.43 | EmleyMoor | archman__: You should be able to use either, as you wish |
| 20:16.47 | enouf | archman__: whichever one you like, obviously guided has more hand-holding and makes decisions based on defaults for you |
| 20:16.50 | EulGlaude | nothing wrong with that |
| 20:16.50 | EulGlaude | nothing wrong with that |
| 20:16.52 | valdyn | archman__: any |
| 20:16.54 | stew | EulGlaude: can you be more specific? |
| 20:17.04 | stew | EulGlaude: or tell me wat a 'dependency shit' is? |
| 20:17.07 | enouf | archman__: i should say s/decisions/presumptions |
| 20:17.11 | EmleyMoor | Both should configure grub appropriately |
| 20:17.23 | theholyduck | stew, well i THINK he means that something depends on stuff that wont work |
| 20:17.30 | stew | theholyduck: stop |
| 20:17.44 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl7-13-39.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 20:17.44 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl7-13-39.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 20:17.57 | EulGlaude | I can't remember in details, stew, but I was stuck in bad state, where I was unable to do any more apt-get cmd |
| 20:18.22 | stew | EulGlaude: yes, that happens often, but is the fault of a buggy package, not a buggy package manager |
| 20:18.31 | theholyduck | stew, "often" |
| 20:18.45 | stew | theholyduck: what? |
| 20:18.54 | theholyduck | its happend to me like 5 times on unstable. in 2008 |
| 20:19.18 | theholyduck | thats not what you call often |
| 20:19.20 | EulGlaude | stew, OK with that, but how to prevent buggy package ? |
| 20:19.32 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, buggy packages happe |
| 20:19.33 | theholyduck | *happen |
| 20:19.33 | theholyduck | *happen |
| 20:19.36 | theholyduck | get used to it |
| 20:19.41 | archman__ | enouf: ok im using guided use free space, will it automatically install grub? |
| 20:19.46 | theholyduck | some maintainer messed up somewhere |
| 20:19.54 | EmleyMoor | archman__: Yes |
| 20:19.54 | EmleyMoor | archman__: Yes |
| 20:20.08 | stew | EulGlaude: well, sticking with stable helps, but its certainly not possible to avoid all buggy packages. there will always be bugs |
| 20:20.14 | enouf | listen guys; unstable is inherently volatile and ever changing - perhaps more <slushy> since lenny is frozen, but if you choose to run unstable, deal with it </soapbox> |
| 20:20.16 | EmleyMoor | It should tell you, late in the process, that it found Windows |
| 20:20.31 | *** join/#debian neobarn (n=n30@213.101.208.223) |
| 20:20.31 | *** join/#debian neobarn (n=n30@213.101.208.223) |
| 20:20.40 | enouf | archman__: i pointed you to the installation guide more than once already - and more |
| 20:20.43 | *** join/#debian gate_keeper_ (n=gk@92.53.47.37) |
| 20:20.43 | *** join/#debian gate_keeper_ (n=gk@92.53.47.37) |
| 20:20.50 | *** join/#debian _stack (n=stinco@host77-33-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:20.50 | *** join/#debian _stack (n=stinco@host77-33-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:20.51 | archman__ | EmleyMoor: thanks for your help, brb |
| 20:20.55 | *** join/#debian Eulex (i=alex@kr-lun-186-151-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 20:20.55 | *** join/#debian Eulex (i=alex@kr-lun-186-151-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 20:21.00 | EmleyMoor | (I just installed lenny to a machine with XP on) |
| 20:21.13 | giusef | EmleyMoor, no packages marked to be removed, updated etc |
| 20:21.24 | archman__ | enouf: yes you were, but i'm, let's say, in a hurry here, so i ask you...sorry though... |
| 20:21.33 | giusef | stew, |
| 20:21.33 | giusef | aptitude search '~i~Dapache2.2-common |
| 20:21.33 | giusef | aptitude search '~i~Dapache2.2-common |
| 20:21.38 | *** join/#debian dcnoye (n=dcnoye@client-146-186-228-51.mobility-up.psu.edu) |
| 20:21.38 | *** join/#debian dcnoye (n=dcnoye@client-146-186-228-51.mobility-up.psu.edu) |
| 20:21.44 | giusef | server:~# aptitude search '~i~Dapache2.2-common' |
| 20:21.44 | giusef | i A apache2-mpm-worker - Apache HTTP Server - high speed threaded model |
| 20:21.52 | enouf | archman__: my time isn't as important? .. no need to apologize, but ok |
| 20:21.56 | dcnoye | when does lenny go stable ? |
| 20:22.07 | EmleyMoor | dcnoye: When it's ready |
| 20:22.26 | stew | giusef: ok, so apache2.2-common isn't removed becuase apache2-mpm-worker is still installed. can you run "aptitude search '~i~Dapache2-mpm-worker'" to see why it is still installed? |
| 20:22.28 | EulGlaude | stew : The debian package system is far more efficient and robust than any other (RPM), but, it is also not really friendly when (rarely, very rarely) something goes wrong |
| 20:22.29 | EmleyMoor | There are still some bugs to be eliminated |
| 20:22.29 | zorrolero | dcnoye: check the topic |
| 20:22.55 | valdyn | EulGlaude: i wonder if you know what you are talking about |
| 20:23.01 | stew | EulGlaude: does a package manager exist in the world that you think is mature? |
| 20:23.05 | giusef | stew, |
| 20:23.06 | giusef | server:~# aptitude search '~i~Dapache2-mpm-worker' |
| 20:23.06 | giusef | server:~# aptitude search '~i~Dapache2-mpm-worker' |
| 20:23.06 | giusef | server:~# |
| 20:23.15 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 20:23.15 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@unaffiliated/dimmur) |
| 20:23.28 | valdyn | EulGlaude: since a package, no matter if rpm or deb can rm -r /. And there is no way to avoid that being possible |
| 20:23.46 | valdyn | EulGlaude: or do anything else stupid |
| 20:24.44 | stew | giusef: what does "aptitude why apache2-mpm-worker" return? |
| 20:25.24 | EmleyMoor | I chose Debian because of the robustness of its package system |
| 20:25.47 | *** join/#debian uplinx (n=nikk@adsl-074-170-091-027.sip.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:25.47 | *** join/#debian uplinx (n=nikk@adsl-074-170-091-027.sip.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:26.04 | Lethliel_ | Yeah!! Youtube is working now. But i have no sound!? |
| 20:26.31 | enouf | Lethliel_: mplayer -ao alsa ... ? |
| 20:26.39 | EmleyMoor | Lethliel_: Does your sound work in other things? |
| 20:26.41 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:26.41 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:27.13 | Lethliel_ | yes, sound works pretty good... |
| 20:27.21 | EulGlaude | valdyn, stew a package manager that let a bad package broke a system is not perfect don't you think so ? |
| 20:27.27 | uplinx | how would you recommend troubleshooting alsa? my sound just stopped working consitently and is acting very strangely |
| 20:27.29 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, well. |
| 20:27.32 | theholyduck | a packagemanager |
| 20:27.32 | theholyduck | a packagemanager |
| 20:27.35 | theholyduck | HAS to let a package |
| 20:27.38 | theholyduck | write files |
| 20:27.40 | theholyduck | and run scripts |
| 20:27.42 | stew | theholyduck: please stop hitting enter so often |
| 20:27.43 | EmleyMoor | Thot's an issue of package quality |
| 20:27.52 | EmleyMoor | That's |
| 20:27.56 | *** join/#debian lymeca (n=lymeca@student167-82.hampshire.edu) |
| 20:27.56 | *** join/#debian lymeca (n=lymeca@student167-82.hampshire.edu) |
| 20:28.01 | stew | EulGlaude: how can the package manager know if a package is in a bad state? |
| 20:28.04 | theholyduck | EulGlaude, thus there is no way of make it less prone to breakage.. |
| 20:28.27 | stew | EulGlaude: well, perhaps you want to look at apt-listbugs |
| 20:28.39 | valdyn | EulGlaude: life is not perfect, proposing a perfect proggram is silly |
| 20:28.47 | craigevil | if you dont want to worry about breakage you run debian stable, thats why its called stable |
| 20:28.48 | *** join/#debian CharminTehM00se_ (n=Count_fu@86.43.211.207) |
| 20:28.48 | *** join/#debian CharminTehM00se_ (n=Count_fu@86.43.211.207) |
| 20:28.53 | EulGlaude | let me think about it, may be the package building and package management should not be disociated |
| 20:29.15 | enouf | uplinx: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 20:29.17 | EmleyMoor | There can be unreported bugs, especially in unstable |
| 20:29.25 | Lethliel_ | enouf: i have installed the flashplugin-nonfree from sid. i do not know how mplayer -ao also should fix the thing. |
| 20:29.31 | valdyn | EulGlaude: the only way to "fix" this tto some extent is a rollback feature |
| 20:29.35 | uplinx | thanks enouf |
| 20:29.36 | EulGlaude | valdyn, have any questions in life IS silly |
| 20:29.42 | valdyn | EulGlaude: but package management cant provide that |
| 20:29.44 | enouf | uplinx: acting very strangely is of no help to us |
| 20:29.44 | *** join/#debian daftd (i=daft@j11116.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 20:29.44 | *** join/#debian daftd (i=daft@j11116.upc-j.chello.nl) |
| 20:29.49 | theholyduck | valdyn, it could THEORETICALLY |
| 20:29.58 | theholyduck | cornary or whatever it is called |
| 20:30.02 | theholyduck | lets you do rollback |
| 20:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 20:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 20:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 20:30.11 | valdyn | theholyduck: it could use a rollback feature provided by the system |
| 20:30.13 | enouf | Lethliel_: i thought you were referring to my earlier suggestion |
| 20:30.26 | theholyduck | valdyn, well cornary builds in a rollback feature |
| 20:30.29 | valdyn | theholyduck: debian has nothing yet that provides cheap rollback though |
| 20:30.30 | valdyn | theholyduck: debian has nothing yet that provides cheap rollback though |
| 20:30.36 | theholyduck | of some sorts ;P |
| 20:30.37 | valdyn | theholyduck: whats cornary? |
| 20:30.46 | valdyn | theholyduck: can it recover rm -rf / ? |
| 20:30.49 | theholyduck | valdyn, a new package management system |
| 20:30.49 | theholyduck | valdyn, a new package management system |
| 20:30.50 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@g224015129.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:30.50 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@g224015129.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:30.51 | theholyduck | valdyn, :P |
| 20:30.58 | Lethliel_ | enouf: then it would make sense i guess :) |
| 20:31.03 | theholyduck | valdyn, well it lets you easily downgrade a package rather |
| 20:31.18 | uplinx | enouf, true enough, i figured out out, had installed a package that borked my settings |
| 20:31.27 | uplinx | take it easy |
| 20:31.29 | stew | theholyduck: does it do more than letting you run "aptitude install package=oldversion"? |
| 20:31.38 | flower | what is the difference between i486 and i686? |
| 20:31.50 | stew | flower: in what context? |
| 20:31.51 | theholyduck | flower, i686 kernel has multithreading, etc |
| 20:31.56 | EulGlaude | flower, 200 ? |
| 20:31.57 | theholyduck | i486 doesnt |
| 20:31.59 | enouf | a few years and some cpu instructions :-) |
| 20:32.04 | giusef | stew, |
| 20:32.05 | giusef | server:~# aptitude why apache2-mpm-worker |
| 20:32.05 | giusef | i ajaxterm Recommends apache2 | httpd |
| 20:32.05 | giusef | i A apache2-mpm-worker Provides httpd |
| 20:32.05 | giusef | i ajaxterm Recommends apache2 | httpd |
| 20:32.05 | giusef | i A apache2-mpm-worker Provides httpd |
| 20:32.05 | *** kick/#debian [giusef!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 20:32.14 | *** join/#debian giusef (n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef) |
| 20:32.14 | *** join/#debian giusef (n=giusef@unaffiliated/giusef) |
| 20:32.18 | giusef | ups :) |
| 20:32.19 | theholyduck | learn to pastebin |
| 20:32.19 | theholyduck | :P |
| 20:32.28 | maligor | theholyduck, you mean multiprocessing |
| 20:32.30 | flower | I want to build a live-cd, should I build it for 486 and 686? |
| 20:32.31 | enouf | flower: -486 supports only up to 1G ram, and is not SMP aware, IINM |
| 20:32.36 | giusef | http://rafb.net/p/TWweit75.html |
| 20:32.37 | maligor | singlethread systems aren't that useful |
| 20:32.38 | giusef | stew, |
| 20:32.41 | maligor | see DOS |
| 20:33.01 | *** join/#debian michael__ (n=michael@c-66-41-76-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 20:33.01 | *** join/#debian michael__ (n=michael@c-66-41-76-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 20:33.02 | theholyduck | maligor, err. half my pcs dont have multithreading |
| 20:33.07 | theholyduck | works just fine anyway |
| 20:33.12 | stew | giusef: right, so do you see now why the other apache packages were not removed? |
| 20:33.23 | giusef | stew, ajaxterm? |
| 20:33.31 | stew | giusef: yes |
| 20:33.39 | giusef | stew, nice :D let's try |
| 20:33.39 | *** part/#debian Rayne (n=Rayne3@pD9E3719C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:33.40 | EulGlaude | I prefer a non SMP kernel on my dual quadcore AMDTEL |
| 20:33.45 | enouf | theholyduck: the apps need to have that built in, the CPUs (p-pro and up atleast) can certainly use it though |
| 20:33.59 | theholyduck | enouf, true. |
| 20:33.59 | stew | theholyduck: you are confusing multithreaded with multiprocessor, i think |
| 20:34.22 | theholyduck | stew, well 486 is build without multipleprocessor support |
| 20:34.24 | *** join/#debian bla_ (n=bla@89-97-21-223.ip15.fastwebnet.it) |
| 20:34.24 | *** join/#debian bla_ (n=bla@89-97-21-223.ip15.fastwebnet.it) |
| 20:34.35 | theholyduck | multithreading makes no sense if you dont have multiple cores to run it on |
| 20:34.39 | stew | theholyduck: yes, but it is still multithreaded |
| 20:34.40 | giusef | stew, http://rafb.net/p/ErToKU37.html :D |
| 20:34.40 | giusef | stew, http://rafb.net/p/ErToKU37.html :D |
| 20:34.47 | giusef | stew, thank you very much! |
| 20:34.57 | stew | giusef: you're welcome |
| 20:35.01 | giusef | :D |
| 20:35.05 | enouf | theholyduck: multiprocessing != multiprocessor == SMP |
| 20:35.05 | enouf | theholyduck: multiprocessing != multiprocessor == SMP |
| 20:35.16 | *** join/#debian Mirthas1 (n=greenthu@p57925AA6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:35.16 | *** join/#debian Mirthas1 (n=greenthu@p57925AA6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:35.30 | theholyduck | enouf, but what is multiple threads going to help you with. other than improving io and other waits a bit? |
| 20:35.35 | stew | theholyduck: multithreading makes lots of sense even if you don't have multiple cores |
| 20:35.35 | theholyduck | when you only got 1 core? |
| 20:35.39 | stew | yes |
| 20:35.52 | *** join/#debian klync (n=klync@gentoo/user/klync) |
| 20:35.52 | *** join/#debian klync (n=klync@gentoo/user/klync) |
| 20:36.03 | giusef | stew, do you still think my aptitude database is messed up? |
| 20:36.13 | stew | giusef: not at all, i don't think it ever was |
| 20:36.17 | *** join/#debian jerbear (n=jerbear@216.54.203.74) |
| 20:36.17 | *** join/#debian jerbear (n=jerbear@216.54.203.74) |
| 20:36.29 | giusef | good, thanks again :) |
| 20:36.38 | Jemt | Can someone tell me how I can do something like this: gksu "ls -la > res.txt" . It works when I'm not trying to forward the output to a file. Right now I get: ls: >: No such file or directory ls: res.txt: No such file or directory |
| 20:36.55 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87.196.219.8) |
| 20:36.55 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87.196.219.8) |
| 20:37.09 | theholyduck | Jemt, su -c "ls -la > res.txt" |
| 20:37.12 | theholyduck | or sudo + flags |
| 20:37.12 | theholyduck | or sudo + flags |
| 20:37.14 | enouf | theholyduck: ask intel how their netburst arch and their HT worked with their single-core p4s |
| 20:37.16 | theholyduck | if you got sudo setup :P |
| 20:37.21 | Jemt | theholyduck: I need to do it using gksu |
| 20:37.28 | theholyduck | Jemt, why? |
| 20:37.44 | theholyduck | you need to add full paths then |
| 20:37.47 | theholyduck | as far as i know |
| 20:37.48 | Jemt | theholyduck: I need the graphical approach. The program is called from a Java program |
| 20:37.51 | theholyduck | when using gksu |
| 20:37.56 | Jemt | Add full paths ? |
| 20:38.00 | Jemt | Oh |
| 20:38.00 | Jemt | Oh |
| 20:38.04 | Jemt | Let me try |
| 20:38.16 | *** join/#debian tukki (n=fhaberma@85.183.244.114) |
| 20:38.16 | *** join/#debian tukki (n=fhaberma@85.183.244.114) |
| 20:38.18 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d14-69-66-169.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 20:38.18 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d14-69-66-169.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 20:38.44 | Jemt | theholyduck: No, specifying a full file path didn't work either. Same error |
| 20:38.55 | *** join/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.21.74) |
| 20:38.55 | *** join/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.21.74) |
| 20:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 912] by debhelper |
| 20:39.03 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, back |
| 20:39.06 | theholyduck | might need some extra flags then |
| 20:39.18 | Jemt | Ok, I'm checking the 'man' right now |
| 20:39.21 | theholyduck | Jemt, just like sudo would |
| 20:39.27 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@68-185-67-185.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) |
| 20:39.27 | *** join/#debian grezeht (n=chatzill@68-185-67-185.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) |
| 20:39.29 | theholyduck | Ward1983, installed shorewall yet? |
| 20:39.29 | Lethliel_ | Yeah! Sound is also working :) just needed to install alsa and edit the /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
| 20:39.29 | Lethliel_ | Yeah! Sound is also working :) just needed to install alsa and edit the /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
| 20:39.47 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, doing that now |
| 20:40.12 | themill | Jemt: your exact example works here. |
| 20:40.46 | enouf | theholyduck: sorry - i need to clarify --> multitasking !=multiprocessing == L/IO APIC == multiprocessors (or cores) == SMP .. but please, let's drop this - some nasty nomenclature in this world |
| 20:40.53 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, ok done, whats next |
| 20:40.57 | Jemt | themill: It does? Etch? Lenny ? |
| 20:41.13 | enouf | er .. how'd that one '_' get in there? wtf? |
| 20:41.19 | *** join/#debian Antaga (n=Andre@cau33-4-82-243-169-96.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:41.19 | *** join/#debian Antaga (n=Andre@cau33-4-82-243-169-96.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:41.50 | enouf | oh man - it's an L ..haha .. /me runs away and hides in the corner |
| 20:41.58 | Jemt | Oh, I ran gksu as root - and that seems to trigger the error |
| 20:42.00 | Jemt | Thanks themill |
| 20:42.12 | theholyduck | Ward1983, let me link you the right docs. and the rest should be well explained |
| 20:42.39 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, ok |
| 20:42.59 | themill | Jemt: both |
| 20:43.05 | theholyduck | 2 interfaces rigt? |
| 20:43.13 | theholyduck | wlan and local ethernet? |
| 20:43.45 | theholyduck | Ward1983, http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm |
| 20:44.03 | theholyduck | it tells you to find the base docs. etc,etc |
| 20:44.08 | Ward1983 | ok thanx |
| 20:44.09 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-104-165.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:44.09 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-104-165.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:44.44 | flower | I just installed a custom live-cd but couldn't login... so I rm /etc/nologin , but still got a .xsession error with no further info |
| 20:44.45 | theholyduck | just hit me up if you got any questions |
| 20:45.01 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, lol thats chinese to me |
| 20:45.06 | Ward1983 | uninstalls shorewall |
| 20:45.12 | *** part/#debian SigurdH (n=sigurd@195.1.96.138) |
| 20:45.24 | theholyduck | Ward1983, how so? |
| 20:45.35 | theholyduck | Ward1983, you COPY the base config |
| 20:45.40 | theholyduck | from /usr/share whatever |
| 20:45.49 | theholyduck | edit the files. making wlan0 your external |
| 20:45.50 | Ward1983 | yeah for one interface |
| 20:45.52 | theholyduck | and eth0 your internal |
| 20:45.58 | Ward1983 | nowhere they speak of two interfaces and setting up routes for that |
| 20:45.58 | Ward1983 | nowhere they speak of two interfaces and setting up routes for that |
| 20:46.07 | theholyduck | Ward1983, it does that AUTOMATICALLY |
| 20:46.07 | flower | I can login as root |
| 20:46.14 | theholyduck | you specify what is external and internal interfaces |
| 20:46.23 | *** join/#debian moolio (n=mneedham@fred.hdfgroup.uiuc.edu) |
| 20:46.23 | *** join/#debian moolio (n=mneedham@fred.hdfgroup.uiuc.edu) |
| 20:46.24 | theholyduck | it then makes the routes you need |
| 20:46.40 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, gotta go do the dishes... brb (annoying mother yells) |
| 20:46.55 | Ward1983 | ill look at it again then |
| 20:46.57 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:46.57 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:47.02 | *** join/#debian greengeeko (n=matti@gtso-4db09b25.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 20:47.02 | *** join/#debian greengeeko (n=matti@gtso-4db09b25.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 20:47.10 | *** join/#debian tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 20:47.10 | *** join/#debian tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 20:49.45 | *** join/#debian commander_ (n=commande@169.139.19.227) |
| 20:49.45 | *** join/#debian commander_ (n=commande@169.139.19.227) |
| 20:50.03 | *** join/#debian [eol] (n=Eol@92.113.139.168) |
| 20:50.03 | *** join/#debian [eol] (n=Eol@92.113.139.168) |
| 20:50.19 | *** join/#debian HD|2 (n=marco@wikipedia/harddisk) |
| 20:50.20 | *** join/#debian HD|2 (n=marco@wikipedia/harddisk) |
| 20:50.24 | HardDisk_WP | heya |
| 20:50.44 | HardDisk_WP | is ext3 able to cope with ~5 million of 10kb big files without corruption? |
| 20:51.27 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:51.27 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:51.47 | theholyduck | lol O |
| 20:51.53 | *** join/#debian dcnoye_ (n=dcnoye@PollockMega-Mobile245.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 20:51.53 | *** join/#debian dcnoye_ (n=dcnoye@PollockMega-Mobile245.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 20:52.29 | *** join/#debian sassytomato (n=lenny@bas4-montreal28-1279342959.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:52.29 | *** join/#debian sassytomato (n=lenny@bas4-montreal28-1279342959.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 20:52.38 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@92.77.1.211) |
| 20:52.39 | *** join/#debian q00_ (n=user@92.77.1.211) |
| 20:52.40 | HardDisk_WP | theholyduck, i am preparing a wikipedia dump |
| 20:52.47 | theholyduck | HardDisk_WP, The maximum number of inodes (and hence the maximum number of files and directories) is set when the file system is created. If V is the volume size in bytes, then the default number of inodes is given by V/213 (or the number of blocks, whichever is less), and the minimum by V/223. The default was deemed sufficient for most applications. The max number of subdirectories in one directory is fixed to 32000. |
| 20:53.04 | theholyduck | soo you could probaly do even more |
| 20:53.14 | theholyduck | with some creation time stuff |
| 20:53.19 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 20:53.26 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:53.26 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:54.54 | *** join/#debian Melik (n=Hotshot@75.34.153.18) |
| 20:54.54 | *** join/#debian Melik (n=Hotshot@75.34.153.18) |
| 20:55.06 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:55.06 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:55.15 | *** join/#debian Madhat (n=MadHat@fl-67-232-63-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 20:55.15 | *** join/#debian Madhat (n=MadHat@fl-67-232-63-122.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 20:56.20 | *** join/#debian faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) |
| 20:56.20 | *** join/#debian faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) |
| 20:56.35 | *** join/#debian salami (n=sal@modemcable129.138-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:56.35 | *** join/#debian salami (n=sal@modemcable129.138-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:57.22 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: [ext3 and 5M files] You're going to have rather long fsck times though. |
| 20:58.04 | HardDisk_WP | that won't be a problem... do I have to pass any arguments to mkfs.ext3 when creating it? |
| 20:58.18 | *** join/#debian alcohol_ (n=rob@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 20:58.18 | *** join/#debian alcohol_ (n=rob@84-245-4-152.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 20:58.29 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: you definitely should rtfm, yes |
| 20:59.00 | HardDisk_WP | ok... |
| 20:59.00 | HardDisk_WP | ok... |
| 20:59.21 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: the default number of inodes makes it possible to fill a fs with 8KB sized files, so it should be just enough |
| 20:59.35 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 20:59.38 | HardDisk_WP | thank you |
| 20:59.51 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i just read a mail from theodeor tso, ext3 default inode count is just used completely at a 16k avg filesize |
| 20:59.52 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (n=havoc@SE400.PPPoE-4902.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 20:59.52 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (n=havoc@SE400.PPPoE-4902.sa.bih.net.ba) |
| 20:59.54 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) |
| 20:59.54 | *** join/#debian ice799 (n=joe@209.172.123.250) |
| 21:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 21:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 21:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 21:00.11 | *** join/#debian chlue (n=to@hnvr-4dbd14c2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 21:00.11 | *** join/#debian chlue (n=to@hnvr-4dbd14c2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 21:00.12 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (n=CyberGab@52-179-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 21:00.12 | *** join/#debian CyberGabber (n=CyberGab@52-179-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 21:00.16 | jelly-home | valdyn: hm, not 8k? |
| 21:00.28 | valdyn | jelly-home: that is the old default |
| 21:00.45 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, how many files are this? |
| 21:00.45 | jelly-home | valdyn: which version halved the inode count? |
| 21:01.01 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i dont know how to use a calculator |
| 21:01.08 | jelly-home | !win valdyn |
| 21:01.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, valdyn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:01.45 | jelly-home | valdyn: a reference to that mail would be nice |
| 21:01.53 | jelly-home | if it's a public mlist |
| 21:01.54 | jelly-home | if it's a public mlist |
| 21:02.16 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=nontelad@host-84-220-46-51.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 21:02.16 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=nontelad@host-84-220-46-51.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 21:02.32 | valdyn | jelly-home: more /etc/mke2fs.conf |
| 21:02.32 | valdyn | jelly-home: more /etc/mke2fs.conf |
| 21:02.39 | enouf | well, i know the inode size defaults from 128 -> 256 now, maybe has something to do with it |
| 21:02.54 | valdyn | jelly-home: i dont understand it completely, mabe inode_ratio = 16384 already is that |
| 21:02.55 | jelly-home | I might have to be careful with mkfsing mail storage |
| 21:02.55 | jelly-home | I might have to be careful with mkfsing mail storage |
| 21:02.58 | stoned | hey |
| 21:02.59 | valdyn | jelly-home: looking for the mail though |
| 21:03.04 | stoned | what about the inode bullshit |
| 21:03.21 | stoned | that happened to me, my disk is unmountable in sarge |
| 21:03.31 | stoned | says my inode is 256 and it should be 128 |
| 21:03.34 | stoned | thats bullcrap |
| 21:03.37 | stoned | :( |
| 21:03.37 | stoned | :( |
| 21:03.57 | jelly-home | "should be"? |
| 21:04.19 | enouf | stoned: for Debian, the change recently occured in sid's version - and for ext4 compat |
| 21:04.19 | stoned | what else can I conclude |
| 21:04.29 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:04.29 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:04.37 | stoned | enouf, I am now aware, I took it out of my sid box |
| 21:04.38 | stoned | :( |
| 21:04.38 | jelly-home | stoned: upgrade already! :-> |
| 21:04.39 | enouf | i told you all this already |
| 21:04.39 | enouf | i told you all this already |
| 21:04.52 | stoned | enouf, like I said, I'm now aware |
| 21:04.59 | jelly-home | has learned about a woody box at work today |
| 21:05.04 | stoned | word |
| 21:05.34 | enouf | wow, that must really be secure :-p |
| 21:06.00 | jelly-home | stoned: also happens if you try to install a RHEL4 and you mkfsed with something fresh, so we got burned too |
| 21:06.12 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:06.12 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:06.24 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-107-152.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:06.24 | *** join/#debian q00 (n=user@dslb-092-076-107-152.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:06.25 | jelly-home | valdyn: inode_ratio sounds like it, but isn't that well explained |
| 21:07.04 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:07.04 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:07.19 | stoned | I put the thingy in a sarge box, I thought iw as lenny |
| 21:07.26 | valdyn | jelly-home: bytes per inode, that is it... |
| 21:07.34 | stoned | but it was sarge, and I had upgraded to sid |
| 21:07.39 | stoned | which I hadnt updated in a long time |
| 21:07.40 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: you can always use the relevant mke2fs option to make sure there're enough inodes for your purpose |
| 21:07.44 | stoned | so this is fucked now |
| 21:07.49 | stoned | blah whatever |
| 21:07.52 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@echelon.ext.c-base.org) |
| 21:07.52 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@echelon.ext.c-base.org) |
| 21:07.54 | valdyn | jelly-home: cant find it, i stumbled over the mail looking for something entirely different |
| 21:08.10 | enouf | i recall small files have a mechanism in ext2/3 which allows their entire contents to be stored within the inode itself, but IINM, that feature wasn't being utilized? Might make sense to do it since the size is doubled? |
| 21:08.18 | jelly-home | valdyn: k, nevermind if you don't have it handy |
| 21:08.55 | valdyn | enouf: reiserfs and btrfs do this.. kinda |
| 21:08.58 | jelly-home | stuffs enouf in an inode |
| 21:09.05 | enouf | or .. maybe that's been done .. haven't followed all the changes closely, nor ext4 dev |
| 21:09.18 | enouf | nice |
| 21:10.57 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:10.57 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:11.43 | *** part/#debian Ty_LL (n=Unknown@host-216-211-25-3.tbaytel.net) |
| 21:11.50 | jelly-home | usually wants less inodes, not more |
| 21:11.55 | enouf | valdyn: cool - for reiserfs, do you refer to 'tail packing'? (i mount using the notail option), or do you know if a certain hash choice enables that? |
| 21:12.08 | jelly-home | halving the default isn't a bad idea |
| 21:12.46 | *** part/#debian dcnoye_ (n=dcnoye@PollockMega-Mobile245.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 21:14.01 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:14.01 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:14.17 | archman__ | enouf: running like a charm, tnx! |
| 21:14.27 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 21:14.28 | dpkg | from memory, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 21:14.35 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:14.35 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:15.03 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: got it working already? |
| 21:15.05 | enouf | stoned: install an earlier e2fsprogs version - what |
| 21:15.06 | Rawplayer | Ward1983: which nic you havE? |
| 21:15.11 | enouf | 's the matter with you? |
| 21:15.26 | *** join/#debian nuncanada (n=nuncanad@189.27.32.11) |
| 21:15.26 | *** join/#debian nuncanada (n=nuncanad@189.27.32.11) |
| 21:15.27 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@201-24-65-202.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 21:15.27 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@201-24-65-202.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 21:15.36 | *** join/#debian naitram (n=chatzill@12.105.199.38) |
| 21:15.36 | *** join/#debian naitram (n=chatzill@12.105.199.38) |
| 21:15.56 | *** join/#debian margiolas (n=chris@adsl24-62.her.forthnet.gr) |
| 21:15.56 | *** join/#debian margiolas (n=chris@adsl24-62.her.forthnet.gr) |
| 21:16.00 | *** join/#debian fignew (n=woowoo@adsl-176-79-9.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:16.00 | *** join/#debian fignew (n=woowoo@adsl-176-79-9.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:16.23 | stoned | yeh thats fine with linux |
| 21:16.32 | stoned | but what do I do on windows! ext2ifs!? etc. |
| 21:16.40 | enouf | !!! |
| 21:16.40 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:16.41 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:16.41 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:16.44 | *** join/#debian rwat (n=rwat@i-195-137-41-70.freedom2surf.net) |
| 21:16.44 | *** join/#debian rwat (n=rwat@i-195-137-41-70.freedom2surf.net) |
| 21:17.02 | *** join/#debian pablolibo (n=pablolib@200-127-169-107.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 21:17.02 | *** join/#debian pablolibo (n=pablolib@200-127-169-107.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 21:17.13 | enouf | make a backup and refucken-mkfs! |
| 21:17.14 | naitram | has anyone had experience using this sysdoc script as a pre-seed generator http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/txt/sysdoc.main |
| 21:17.33 | magyar_ | hi, can i set /etc directory to be 750 it is 755 by default? |
| 21:18.10 | stew | magyar_: no, users need to be able to see, for instance, /etc/resolv.conf /etc/hosts... |
| 21:18.12 | valdyn | magyar_: why the fuck? |
| 21:18.12 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 21:18.12 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 21:18.27 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:18.27 | *** join/#debian vdette (n=mj@a82-93-179-135.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 21:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 904] by debhelper |
| 21:19.03 | magyar_ | stew, can i disallow users from accessing any other folder accept $home when SSH in ? |
| 21:19.22 | valdyn | enouf: yea, tail packing |
| 21:19.35 | *** join/#debian Spec (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) |
| 21:19.35 | *** join/#debian Spec (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) |
| 21:19.37 | enouf | valdyn: thanks, thought so |
| 21:19.47 | valdyn | enouf: why mount notail? |
| 21:20.09 | *** join/#debian enzyth (n=enzyth@cpe-92-37-63-129.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 21:20.09 | *** join/#debian enzyth (n=enzyth@cpe-92-37-63-129.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 21:20.22 | enouf | valdyn: no need to use it, and i heard some issues might crop up from using it |
| 21:20.25 | stew | magyar_: what commands do you need users to be able to run? |
| 21:20.27 | *** join/#debian sassytomato (n=lenny@74.13.202.134) |
| 21:20.27 | *** join/#debian sassytomato (n=lenny@74.13.202.134) |
| 21:20.30 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@201-24-65-202.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 21:20.30 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@201-24-65-202.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 21:20.34 | nsadmin | whats notail |
| 21:20.37 | Brack101 | is there anything wrong with creating a samba share in /home? I want to implement acls and I just happen to have my secondary partition mounted there |
| 21:20.45 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-26-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:20.45 | *** join/#debian hardnrg (n=roycable@124-168-26-69.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:20.50 | stew | magyar_: should your users be able to run "ls"? |
| 21:20.52 | valdyn | enouf: just need notail to make grub boot from it safely |
| 21:20.52 | valdyn | enouf: just need notail to make grub boot from it safely |
| 21:21.01 | magyar_ | stew, yeap |
| 21:21.02 | valdyn | enouf: but there might be issues.. I wouldnt know |
| 21:21.16 | naitram | anyone know of a good gui sysdoc tool like is accomplished by the sysdoc scripts at http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/automatic.htm, anything wrong with this approach |
| 21:21.23 | stew | magyar_: then no, since to run ls, the need to be able to access /bin/ls and several libs in /lib that ls is linked against |
| 21:21.24 | magyar_ | stew, ls. cd, mv, vi etc |
| 21:21.44 | enouf | valdyn: i'm not using reiserfs for my / , but i might at some time - but yeah, i'd have to dig for the info i refer to |
| 21:21.44 | stew | (and running ls will try to access /etc as well) |
| 21:21.44 | stew | (and running ls will try to access /etc as well) |
| 21:21.53 | nsadmin | also... so I know the drive itself the way it's formatted has the MBR plus 63 sectors for a chainload... what do primary partitions have? same thing |
| 21:21.53 | nsadmin | ? |
| 21:23.02 | nsadmin | (meaning I could put a chainloader just after either the MBR or any of the primary partition boot sectors) |
| 21:23.12 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@115.132.14.51) |
| 21:23.12 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@115.132.14.51) |
| 21:23.13 | enouf | nsadmin: primaries have a bootsector as 1st sector - some partitioning tools might also reserve the 1st 63 |
| 21:23.17 | magyar_ | stew, thanks |
| 21:23.30 | nsadmin | howbout linux fdisk? |
| 21:23.47 | stew | magyar_: a good rule of thumb is, that if you don't trust them to see stuff outside their /home directory, don't give them shell access |
| 21:24.05 | magyar_ | stew, got it |
| 21:24.27 | enouf | erm, actually, Primaries and Logicals - and Ext'd is just a Primary with nothing other than the pointer to the 1st Logical bootsector |
| 21:24.57 | naitram | anyone had any experience with pre-seeding debian installs |
| 21:25.06 | nsadmin | where is that pointer located? |
| 21:25.10 | *** join/#debian g0n (n=ggon@171.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:25.10 | *** join/#debian g0n (n=ggon@171.Red-80-38-102.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:25.24 | enouf | which is why if you mess with the 1st logical, all logicals are then borked, the chain has been broken |
| 21:26.03 | enouf | nsadmin: afaict, it's in the Extd 's 1024bytes |
| 21:27.19 | enouf | Not sure what info the MBRs MPT holds concerning the one possible Ext'd within it's 16bytes available |
| 21:27.23 | nsadmin | so the ext could have that area reserved too |
| 21:27.37 | Jemt | Should it be sufficient to restart the network after installing Wifi drivers using ndiswrapper? (/etc/init.d/networking restart) |
| 21:27.48 | *** join/#debian forestmars_ (n=forestma@h-67-100-144-18.nycmny83.covad.net) |
| 21:27.48 | *** join/#debian forestmars_ (n=forestma@h-67-100-144-18.nycmny83.covad.net) |
| 21:27.51 | valdyn | Jemt: no |
| 21:28.09 | Jemt | valdyn: What more do I need to do? |
| 21:28.14 | valdyn | Jemt: load the driver |
| 21:28.16 | alcohol | does anyone know of a graphical ftp client that offers synchronized browsing of remote and local pane? |
| 21:28.16 | alcohol | does anyone know of a graphical ftp client that offers synchronized browsing of remote and local pane? |
| 21:28.24 | *** join/#debian yoruk (n=yoruk@host7-180-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:28.25 | *** join/#debian yoruk (n=yoruk@host7-180-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:28.30 | abrotman | alcohol: filezilla may |
| 21:28.31 | *** join/#debian Saar (n=Saar@dsl253-098-066.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:28.31 | *** join/#debian Saar (n=Saar@dsl253-098-066.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:28.32 | naitram | test, test, is this thing on? No one want to attempt? Is it just a crazy question? |
| 21:28.43 | valdyn | Jemt: and use ifup <iface>, dont need to restart whole networking |
| 21:28.51 | Jemt | valdyn: I thought ndiswrapper took care of that. Wouldn't "modprobe -r ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper" do the job ? |
| 21:29.03 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@115.132.14.51) |
| 21:29.03 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@115.132.14.51) |
| 21:29.09 | enouf | naitram: here http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt .. now shaddup! :-p |
| 21:29.11 | valdyn | Jemt: maybe its already loaded, but you didnt tell me that |
| 21:29.25 | alcohol | abrotman: I know filezilla doesn't ): |
| 21:29.27 | valdyn | Jemt: and yet it would |
| 21:29.35 | *** join/#debian fukazzz (n=fukazzz@78.31.183.42) |
| 21:29.35 | *** join/#debian fukazzz (n=fukazzz@78.31.183.42) |
| 21:29.36 | valdyn | Jemt: *yes* |
| 21:29.39 | Jemt | valdyn: Super, thanks :) |
| 21:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 21:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 21:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 21:30.06 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@h-67-100-144-18.nycmny83.covad.net) |
| 21:30.06 | *** join/#debian forestmars (n=forestma@h-67-100-144-18.nycmny83.covad.net) |
| 21:30.22 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 21:30.22 | *** join/#debian codeshepherd (n=Deepan@122.167.98.148) |
| 21:30.30 | abrotman | alcohol: pretty sure it does here, you might have to enable that view |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | maybe gftp ? |
| 21:30.57 | naitram | enouf: thanks for the additional link. I am asking if anyone has used it , knows if it works well, and I have additional questions for them |
| 21:31.31 | nsadmin | ask them now, rather than assume that no one except "the best" can help |
| 21:31.55 | Jemt | valdyn: By the way, I don't want the new network card to become active, just be available for configuration - so restarting the network or doing ifup shouldn't be necessary, right ? |
| 21:32.05 | *** join/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus@cpe-75-85-49-80.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:32.05 | *** join/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus@cpe-75-85-49-80.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:32.05 | valdyn | Jemt: right |
| 21:32.10 | Jemt | Super , thanks again :) |
| 21:32.11 | vyrus001 | are there no linux drivers out for the Intel® GM45 Express Chipset 4.1.3002 yet ? |
| 21:32.12 | vyrus001 | are there no linux drivers out for the Intel® GM45 Express Chipset 4.1.3002 yet ? |
| 21:32.31 | valdyn | vyrus001: its a chip *set* |
| 21:32.33 | abrotman | vyrus001: i thought the intel driver suported taht ? |
| 21:32.47 | abrotman | for X anyways |
| 21:32.49 | *** join/#debian rgr (n=user@e179199013.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:32.49 | *** join/#debian rgr (n=user@e179199013.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:32.55 | valdyn | vyrus001: parts need drivers, parts dont, parts use older drivers, parts use new drivers |
| 21:33.19 | vyrus001 | well its working on my laptop and compiz fusion is running for the most part pretty well, but for some reason when i open iceweasle |
| 21:33.31 | vyrus001 | the whole thing slows to a grinding hault |
| 21:33.45 | valdyn | vyrus001: compiz does that.... |
| 21:33.46 | *** join/#debian eltopo (n=eltopo@213.48.184.160) |
| 21:33.46 | *** join/#debian eltopo (n=eltopo@213.48.184.160) |
| 21:33.54 | vyrus001 | i was also noticing some strange artifacting when id run some of the gl tests so i figured even though i had the driver in xorg, perhaps i was missing a kernel driver |
| 21:35.35 | *** join/#debian afiestas (n=afiestas@167.224.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 21:35.35 | *** join/#debian afiestas (n=afiestas@167.224.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 21:35.44 | *** join/#debian teratoma (n=teratoma@i.dont.get.mad.i.get.stabby.net) |
| 21:35.44 | *** join/#debian teratoma (n=teratoma@i.dont.get.mad.i.get.stabby.net) |
| 21:35.52 | teratoma | hello how do i fix this error?: http://pastebin.com/mff0cfc2 |
| 21:36.01 | *** join/#debian montoya (n=fra@host90-186-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:36.02 | *** join/#debian montoya (n=fra@host90-186-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:36.32 | theholyduck | teratoma, apt-get install locales |
| 21:36.36 | stew | teratoma: aptitude install locales ; if its already installed "dpkg-reconfigure locales" either way, it will probably take logging out and logging back in afterwards for the problem to go away |
| 21:37.41 | naitram | nsadmin: ok, didn't assume only the best, I have read that debconf-get-selections --installer does not always work. What is the failure and how do I ensure it doesn't fail on me |
| 21:38.33 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, a rtl8187 if you mean the wifinic |
| 21:38.35 | alcohol | abrotman: what do you mean enable that view? I mean that when I navigate through folders in the local or remote pan, I want the other side to follow the navigation (provided the structure is the same) |
| 21:38.41 | Ward1983 | Rawplayer, no i just got back |
| 21:38.42 | alcohol | s/pan/pane/ |
| 21:38.42 | alcohol | s/pan/pane/ |
| 21:39.44 | naitram | anyone got a good script to cpy /etc directory structure complete, and only the files that have changed since a given date. not a good bash guy |
| 21:40.20 | Ward1983 | theholyduck, i dont underatand how i can use that, it only makes iptables more complicated, sorry its no option |
| 21:40.25 | *** join/#debian n0mad (n=Elive_us@87-239-82-225.ip.kis.lt) |
| 21:40.25 | *** join/#debian n0mad (n=Elive_us@87-239-82-225.ip.kis.lt) |
| 21:40.28 | theholyduck | err.. |
| 21:40.35 | theholyduck | seriously |
| 21:40.35 | theholyduck | seriously |
| 21:40.39 | theholyduck | i can TALK you though it |
| 21:40.56 | valdyn | Ward1983: shorewall is neat, but you need thorough understanding of networking |
| 21:40.58 | theholyduck | i've been meaning to do a shorewall setup on one of my laptops |
| 21:41.02 | theholyduck | valdyn, not really |
| 21:41.02 | theholyduck | valdyn, not really |
| 21:41.07 | theholyduck | i have hardly any understanding |
| 21:41.08 | valdyn | Ward1983: theres plenty tools that do not require this |
| 21:41.11 | nkuttler | naitram: rsync, find, tar, backuppc |
| 21:41.12 | Arcalyth | theholyduck, jelly, using the lenny netinst worked |
| 21:41.12 | Arcalyth | theholyduck, jelly, using the lenny netinst worked |
| 21:41.17 | Arcalyth | Thanks =) |
| 21:41.21 | Ward1983 | valdyn, thats my point, it makes it more confusing for me |
| 21:41.22 | theholyduck | valdyn, well if you wanna do ROUTING? |
| 21:41.27 | valdyn | theholyduck: then you dont understand shorewall either and just cut & paste rules |
| 21:41.27 | valdyn | theholyduck: then you dont understand shorewall either and just cut & paste rules |
| 21:41.32 | theholyduck | valdyn, well no :P |
| 21:41.45 | valdyn | Ward1983: whats wrong with firestarter? |
| 21:41.46 | theholyduck | valdyn, but the configs are self explanitory |
| 21:41.53 | theholyduck | valdyn, its not ment to be a firewall |
| 21:41.53 | theholyduck | valdyn, its not ment to be a firewall |
| 21:41.55 | theholyduck | its ment to be a router |
| 21:42.06 | theholyduck | since bridging doesnt always work. |
| 21:42.08 | Ward1983 | valdyn, i have some networking knowledge but not a ton (had some cisco stuff at school) |
| 21:42.09 | theholyduck | when using wifi |
| 21:42.09 | theholyduck | when using wifi |
| 21:42.10 | theholyduck | to eth0 |
| 21:42.29 | theholyduck | valdyn, well ok then i know a fair bit of networking |
| 21:42.36 | theholyduck | udp vs tcp |
| 21:42.37 | theholyduck | etcetc |
| 21:42.37 | theholyduck | etcetc |
| 21:42.38 | Ward1983 | valdyn, maybe i should explain my goal |
| 21:42.45 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 21:42.45 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 21:42.51 | theholyduck | but seriously. shorewall is the easiest way to setup routing from wifi to ethernet |
| 21:42.54 | theholyduck | as far as i know |
| 21:43.06 | valdyn | theholyduck: maybe he just needs the ipmasq package |
| 21:43.16 | Ward1983 | valdyn, i made a br0 bridge and added eth0 to it, i want to do the same with my wifinic but i cannot set mode master, so i need a way around that |
| 21:43.23 | *** join/#debian lanthan (n=ze@149.205.212.219) |
| 21:43.23 | *** join/#debian lanthan (n=ze@149.205.212.219) |
| 21:43.40 | theholyduck | wich is why i suggest routing |
| 21:43.45 | Ward1983 | yep |
| 21:43.48 | enouf | naitram: i personally haven't, but i know others have .. it's probably best to ask a specific question though, as trying to find others whom have followed a specific tutorial you found might ne really tough to do |
| 21:43.49 | Ward1983 | with shorewall |
| 21:43.58 | valdyn | Ward1983: what does master mode have to do with a bridge? |
| 21:44.02 | enouf | naitram: s/ne/be |
| 21:44.13 | theholyduck | i never got bridging to work to work between wifi card and wired card |
| 21:44.22 | theholyduck | but routing takes me 3-4 minutes to setup |
| 21:44.28 | Ward1983 | valdyn, i read master mode was required for bridging wifi nics |
| 21:44.31 | valdyn | i dont get why he wants a bridge |
| 21:44.31 | theholyduck | and works even better |
| 21:44.34 | enouf | naitram: IOW, do "/msg dpkg ask" |
| 21:44.43 | valdyn | Ward1983: why do you even need a bridge? |
| 21:44.43 | theholyduck | valdyn, well. take my setup for example |
| 21:44.43 | theholyduck | valdyn, well. take my setup for example |
| 21:44.46 | *** part/#debian chlue (n=to@hnvr-4dbd14c2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 21:44.52 | Ward1983 | valdyn, i use br0 to add KVM vms to, i want to do the same with my wifi interface |
| 21:45.05 | Ward1983 | valdyn, my wifi interface has another gateway / ISP |
| 21:45.23 | Ward1983 | valdyn, i intend to use it to test stuff over the internet |
| 21:45.25 | Ward1983 | literally |
| 21:45.31 | theholyduck | i got 3 computers without wifi cards and 2 laptops with it. |
| 21:45.32 | valdyn | Ward1983: kvm works fine with tun too |
| 21:45.32 | valdyn | Ward1983: kvm works fine with tun too |
| 21:45.50 | Ward1983 | valdyn, with wifi? |
| 21:46.02 | theholyduck | i thought his problem was closer to mine :P |
| 21:46.06 | Ward1983 | valdyn, so i could make a tun for the wifi and keep my other bridge? |
| 21:46.12 | valdyn | Ward1983: a tun is a virtual interface, it does not work with anything |
| 21:46.33 | valdyn | Ward1983: you *just* set up tun and proper route |
| 21:46.34 | Ward1983 | <valdyn> Ward1983: kvm works fine with tun too |
| 21:47.17 | Ward1983 | valdyn, but i want my computer only to use the LAN, not the wifi-interface, if i need internet access, is that possible? |
| 21:47.23 | valdyn | Ward1983: yea, well, tun does not work with phy wifi or wired interfaces because its its own virtual interface |
| 21:47.31 | Ward1983 | valdyn, wifi sohuld be only for VMs i choose |
| 21:47.44 | *** join/#debian d-b (n=alias@203-214-148-223.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:47.44 | *** join/#debian d-b (n=alias@203-214-148-223.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:48.06 | Ward1983 | valdyn, thats confusing and doesnt make sense |
| 21:48.12 | Ward1983 | "its its own interface" |
| 21:48.15 | enouf | no, you are |
| 21:48.17 | valdyn | Ward1983: yes |
| 21:48.17 | valdyn | Ward1983: yes |
| 21:48.25 | valdyn | Ward1983: you are making something simple very complicated |
| 21:48.35 | Ward1983 | erm |
| 21:48.41 | Ward1983 | all i did was come here and ask how to do it |
| 21:48.49 | Ward1983 | how can i have made that complicated |
| 21:48.50 | valdyn | Ward1983: tun is an interface just like eth0 or wifi0 |
| 21:48.50 | enouf | this is one of those times when an ASCII representation of network topology is needed |
| 21:49.16 | Ward1983 | enouf, can you su if you dont help me please? |
| 21:49.25 | valdyn | network layering is *hard* |
| 21:49.38 | naitram | thanks all |
| 21:49.46 | *** part/#debian naitram (n=chatzill@12.105.199.38) |
| 21:50.02 | enouf | i want this, but i don't want that .. but wait, i forgot to add all these other requirements .. oh, and i'm going to add them and tell you about all of them, but only one at a time |
| 21:50.06 | valdyn | Ward1983: bridge needing a nic master mode does not make sense to me |
| 21:50.06 | *** part/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus@cpe-75-85-49-80.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:50.06 | *** part/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus@cpe-75-85-49-80.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:50.26 | enouf | !be a networking barbie |
| 21:50.26 | dpkg | Aww, networking is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 21:50.26 | Ward1983 | valdyn, i read that, if you want ill search the link back... |
| 21:50.34 | valdyn | Ward1983: please |
| 21:50.48 | *** join/#debian BIGGIRL^^ (n=Girl__19@88.243.223.220) |
| 21:50.48 | *** join/#debian BIGGIRL^^ (n=Girl__19@88.243.223.220) |
| 21:50.51 | valdyn | people always talk about interfaces when they mean ip traffic |
| 21:50.56 | *** part/#debian stew (i=1413@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 21:50.56 | *** join/#debian stew (i=1413@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 21:50.57 | *** part/#debian stew (i=1413@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 21:50.57 | *** join/#debian stew (i=1413@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 21:51.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 21:51.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.243.223.220] by stew |
| 21:51.15 | *** part/#debian BIGGIRL^^ (n=Girl__19@88.243.223.220) |
| 21:51.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 21:51.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.243.223.220] by stew |
| 21:51.15 | *** part/#debian BIGGIRL^^ (n=Girl__19@88.243.223.220) |
| 21:51.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 21:51.21 | *** join/#debian AngusRF (n=AngusRF@p5B0866DC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:51.21 | *** join/#debian AngusRF (n=AngusRF@p5B0866DC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:51.28 | stew | tomaw: ^^ turkspam |
| 21:51.47 | nsadmin | she was a big turkey girl?! |
| 21:51.57 | tomaw | stew: ta, gone |
| 21:53.34 | Ward1983 | valdyn, cant find it between all the ones in my history |
| 21:54.43 | newsense | anyone know of a package that monitors traffic and alerts of possible port scans dos attacks and such, maybe something gui i can run in x and have n the systray ? |
| 21:54.47 | Ward1983 | enouf, i never forced anyone to help me, and i think my question was quite clear the first time i asked it, stop annoying me |
| 21:54.50 | enouf | http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm or http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.html#wifiiface ? Ward1983 ? |
| 21:55.11 | enouf | Ward1983: into the bozo box you go then - have fun |
| 21:56.12 | *** join/#debian fukazzz (n=fukazzz@78.31.183.42) |
| 21:56.12 | *** join/#debian fukazzz (n=fukazzz@78.31.183.42) |
| 21:56.19 | valdyn | "killall -9 dhclient" |
| 21:56.24 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 21:56.24 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 21:56.26 | *** join/#debian rwaite (n=fieldyca@rrcs-74-218-125-86.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:56.26 | *** join/#debian rwaite (n=fieldyca@rrcs-74-218-125-86.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 21:56.26 | valdyn | geez |
| 21:57.43 | *** join/#debian pobega_ (n=pobega@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 21:57.43 | *** join/#debian pobega_ (n=pobega@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 21:57.49 | valdyn | i hope no one is using that "howto" |
| 21:58.25 | *** join/#debian DDave (n=DDave@83.222.36.90) |
| 21:58.25 | *** join/#debian DDave (n=DDave@83.222.36.90) |
| 21:59.00 | *** join/#debian path_ (n=path@pc-15-190-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 21:59.00 | *** join/#debian path_ (n=path@pc-15-190-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 21:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 895] by debhelper |
| 21:59.15 | Ward1983 | btw if i added the experimental repository and added "APT::Default-Release lenny;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf how can i then install something from experimenting? |
| 21:59.21 | Ward1983 | experimental i mean |
| 21:59.25 | *** join/#debian forestmars_ (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 21:59.25 | *** join/#debian forestmars_ (n=forestma@mail.mnn.org) |
| 21:59.32 | *** join/#debian scott_ (n=scott@cpe-75-83-19-98.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 21:59.32 | *** join/#debian scott_ (n=scott@cpe-75-83-19-98.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:00.04 | Jemt | When is 'kill -9' ever used? When the kernel is shutting down ? |
| 22:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 22:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 22:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 22:00.46 | *** join/#debian jeward_ (n=jeward@ares.chinoc.net) |
| 22:00.46 | *** join/#debian jeward_ (n=jeward@ares.chinoc.net) |
| 22:00.49 | zash_ | Jemt: when you realy want to kill something |
| 22:00.50 | jeward_ | Say, I'm looking at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/squirrelmail-secure-login, but taht doesn't show up as available on my lenny system? |
| 22:00.50 | jeward_ | Say, I'm looking at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/squirrelmail-secure-login, but taht doesn't show up as available on my lenny system? |
| 22:00.52 | Jemt | And why is processes killed when halting the system? What happens if they are kept running? I don't expect the programs have time to do any clean up when they are killed anyways |
| 22:00.57 | S-i-A | for absolute newbie this Link is perfect http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:01.01 | valdyn | Jemt: when a process is broken |
| 22:01.05 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@student-213-9.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:01.05 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@student-213-9.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:01.08 | Jemt | zash_: -9 kills everything, not just something - am I right ? |
| 22:01.25 | valdyn | Jemt: a *process*, not a program |
| 22:01.26 | zash_ | Jemt: when shutting down, first there is a kill -TERM and then a kill -KILL (9) |
| 22:01.27 | zash_ | i think |
| 22:01.27 | zash_ | i think |
| 22:01.33 | themill | Ward1983: [Thu Jan 22 2009] [15:02:07] <\amethyst> Ward1983: apt-get -t experimental <packagename> |
| 22:01.44 | Jemt | valdyn: What's the difference ? |
| 22:01.45 | *** join/#debian LordIllpalazo (n=LordIllp@p57A04F2B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:01.45 | *** join/#debian LordIllpalazo (n=LordIllp@p57A04F2B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:01.46 | zash_ | Jemt: kill -9 some-process-number |
| 22:01.50 | Ward1983 | themill, perfect :D |
| 22:01.50 | Ward1983 | themill, perfect :D |
| 22:01.52 | enouf | judd: versions squirrelmail-secure-login |
| 22:01.54 | judd | enouf: squirrelmail-secure-login -- lenny: 1.4-1 sid: 1.4-1 |
| 22:02.04 | valdyn | Jemt: a program is a structure inside a kernel task or process |
| 22:02.05 | Ward1983 | themill, i lost my scrollbacks i came asking about it earlyer but nobody took the time to search it for me |
| 22:02.05 | Ward1983 | themill, i lost my scrollbacks i came asking about it earlyer but nobody took the time to search it for me |
| 22:02.22 | Jemt | valdyn: Oh, I see |
| 22:02.24 | jeward_ | enouf: Why doesn't aptitude find it? |
| 22:02.30 | nsadmin | I'm running a 2.6.24 kernel, is there a way to see what swap partitions are active (not just what's configured in say fstab) |
| 22:02.39 | themill | Ward1983: consider enabling logging in your IRC client. Also ask yourself if you should be going anywhere near experimental if you can't read man apt-get to work that out yourself. |
| 22:02.39 | themill | Ward1983: consider enabling logging in your IRC client. Also ask yourself if you should be going anywhere near experimental if you can't read man apt-get to work that out yourself. |
| 22:02.42 | enouf | jeward_: run update? |
| 22:02.52 | *** join/#debian killown (n=Yamato@unaffiliated/killown) |
| 22:02.52 | *** join/#debian killown (n=Yamato@unaffiliated/killown) |
| 22:02.53 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:02.53 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@fang.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:03.11 | jeward_ | enouf: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "squirrelmail-secure-login" |
| 22:03.21 | Ward1983 | themill, its enabled now... as i said i forgot to enable it after a new installation |
| 22:03.44 | valdyn | Jemt: i think proper terminology is task from kernel side and process from user side |
| 22:03.54 | jeward_ | enouf: lenny is 5.0? |
| 22:04.01 | Ward1983 | hmmm all kinds of people are acting uncool to me, i know when i'm not wanted |
| 22:04.06 | enouf | jeward_: what's your exact command? and that isn't an aptitude update output |
| 22:04.17 | enouf | jeward_: yes |
| 22:04.22 | Ward1983 | im sorry to be disturbing your channel with my stupidity everyone |
| 22:04.26 | jeward_ | enouf: Ah, it's etch then. |
| 22:04.26 | jeward_ | enouf: Ah, it's etch then. |
| 22:04.34 | Jemt | valdyn: I see, good to know that. Thank you |
| 22:04.35 | enouf | jeward_: you might not have lenny, but .. yeah |
| 22:04.38 | Ward1983 | themill, better like this? |
| 22:04.42 | jeward_ | enouf: Sorry. |
| 22:04.42 | jeward_ | enouf: Sorry. |
| 22:04.50 | enouf | jeward_: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:05.13 | enouf | or consider upgrading to Lenny, but read /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
| 22:05.22 | *** join/#debian LightKnight (n=gabry@adsl-ull-128-63.49-151.net24.it) |
| 22:05.22 | *** join/#debian LightKnight (n=gabry@adsl-ull-128-63.49-151.net24.it) |
| 22:05.32 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 22:05.32 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@pool-71-105-75-185.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 22:05.32 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:05.32 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 22:05.46 | *** join/#debian mylastbreath (n=mylastbr@74-32-101-209.dsl1.sppt.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 22:05.46 | *** join/#debian mylastbreath (n=mylastbr@74-32-101-209.dsl1.sppt.ny.frontiernet.net) |
| 22:06.09 | *** join/#debian Tramp (n=mt@d85-232-175-41.cust.tele2.ch) |
| 22:06.09 | *** join/#debian Tramp (n=mt@d85-232-175-41.cust.tele2.ch) |
| 22:06.33 | *** join/#debian r3r3 (n=r3r3@168-79.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 22:06.33 | *** join/#debian r3r3 (n=r3r3@168-79.76-83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 22:06.35 | Jemt | Hm, I have mounted /var/run as a tmpfs, but I'm not sure that's a good idea. Gnome now complains: "Can't access ACPI events in /var/run/ acpid.socket! Make sure the ACPI subsystem is working and the acpid deamon is running." On the other hand, why shouldn't it work as a tmpfs? The folder is flushed on reboot, and repopulated when programs are started. Am I right? Could the error simply be caused by non-supported hardware? |
| 22:06.49 | H2S04 | enouf, I have a problem my debian computer exploded. |
| 22:06.57 | H2S04 | enouf, it left green slime everywhere! |
| 22:07.04 | enouf | nsadmin: free? cat /proc/swaps ? |
| 22:07.07 | valdyn | Jemt: restart acpid ? |
| 22:07.07 | valdyn | Jemt: restart acpid ? |
| 22:07.13 | Ward1983 | well... i do not even dare to ask something here anymore just out of fear for the reactions of people, maybe its usefull to think about that |
| 22:07.16 | Jemt | valdyn: Trying that |
| 22:07.17 | *** part/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.21.74) |
| 22:08.23 | *** join/#debian sajes_ (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) |
| 22:08.23 | *** join/#debian sajes_ (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) |
| 22:08.24 | nsadmin | Ward1983: I'm not seeing where people are acting uncool... the thing is debian doesn't guarantee you anything... so if you run it, are you willing to take all responsibility for whatever it might do? |
| 22:08.26 | *** join/#debian j_pinx (n=johnp@203-97-49-8.dsl.clear.net.nz) |
| 22:08.26 | *** join/#debian j_pinx (n=johnp@203-97-49-8.dsl.clear.net.nz) |
| 22:08.34 | Jemt | valdyn: That didn't fix the error. Restarting acpid didn't report any errors though |
| 22:08.43 | enouf | zash_: the usual proper order for sending signals for shutting down an app usually is -15, -2, <one other here>, then finally -9, if all else fails |
| 22:08.56 | valdyn | Jemt: wrong permissions on /var/run ? |
| 22:09.02 | enouf | man 7 signal |
| 22:09.10 | Jemt | valdyn: Checking |
| 22:09.11 | nsadmin | enouf: no such file /proc/swaps... and free says 0 0 0 |
| 22:09.24 | nsadmin | when I mount -a it says... |
| 22:09.34 | nsadmin | swapon: /dev/hda3: Function not implemented |
| 22:09.42 | enouf | nsadmin: then it's not active |
| 22:09.42 | enouf | nsadmin: then it's not active |
| 22:09.48 | valdyn | nsadmin: you have a custom kernel without swap support |
| 22:09.49 | nsadmin | err swapon -a |
| 22:09.51 | enouf | nsadmin: add -a |
| 22:10.06 | nsadmin | I do? :) oh ok |
| 22:10.21 | zash_ | enouf: aha, didn't know about -2 and the other, just 15 (SIGTERM right?) and 9 |
| 22:10.21 | nsadmin | at least I know why6 |
| 22:10.23 | *** join/#debian purak (n=purak@78.174.51.216) |
| 22:10.23 | *** join/#debian purak (n=purak@78.174.51.216) |
| 22:10.29 | enouf | nsadmin: is there an entry in fstab? |
| 22:10.33 | *** join/#debian erth64net (n=erth64ne@69-30-67-191.dq1sn.easystreet.com) |
| 22:10.33 | *** join/#debian erth64net (n=erth64ne@69-30-67-191.dq1sn.easystreet.com) |
| 22:10.39 | nsadmin | yes |
| 22:10.43 | enouf | right zash_ |
| 22:10.43 | nsadmin | it tries |
| 22:10.43 | nsadmin | it tries |
| 22:10.56 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@92.80.70.112) |
| 22:10.56 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@92.80.70.112) |
| 22:11.09 | Jemt | valdyn: The folder belongs to root, but seems to have chmod 777. It is mounted like this: "none /var/run tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0" |
| 22:11.12 | nsadmin | there are like 4 swap partitions (some of which I didn't put there :) |
| 22:11.42 | enouf | looks like a ubuntu thing Jemt |
| 22:11.43 | *** join/#debian renateitor (i=rena@190.188.151.249) |
| 22:11.43 | enouf | looks like a ubuntu thing Jemt |
| 22:11.43 | *** join/#debian renateitor (i=rena@190.188.151.249) |
| 22:11.54 | Jemt | enouf: Nope, that's something I did :) |
| 22:12.01 | enouf | oh dear - ok .. |
| 22:12.03 | nsadmin | enouf, valdyn , thanks... I'll take care of it |
| 22:12.05 | Jemt | enouf: It's my USB Debian :) |
| 22:12.31 | *** join/#debian Sir_Sid (n=sid@adsl-99-132-131-19.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:12.31 | *** join/#debian Sir_Sid (n=sid@adsl-99-132-131-19.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:13.22 | *** join/#debian _coredump_ (n=duke__@ip-88-153-241-138.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 22:13.22 | *** join/#debian _coredump_ (n=duke__@ip-88-153-241-138.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 22:13.31 | Jemt | I have mounted /tmp, /var/tmp, /var/lock, /var/log, /var/run, and /etc/network/run as tmpfs, to ensure that as little information is stored on the flash device as possible - also, I don't want any "traces" of hardware on it - I use it on a LOT of different computers |
| 22:13.41 | *** join/#debian tkoski (n=tkoski@gob75-9-88-178-11-212.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:13.41 | *** join/#debian tkoski (n=tkoski@gob75-9-88-178-11-212.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 22:14.29 | *** join/#debian ubuntu-org (n=kvirc@62.105.26.70) |
| 22:14.29 | *** join/#debian ubuntu-org (n=kvirc@62.105.26.70) |
| 22:14.56 | *** join/#debian supersoundguy (n=brian@ip-211-57.res.k-state.edu) |
| 22:14.56 | *** join/#debian supersoundguy (n=brian@ip-211-57.res.k-state.edu) |
| 22:15.05 | *** join/#debian F6F (n=Tobias@p5B0D4493.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:15.05 | *** join/#debian F6F (n=Tobias@p5B0D4493.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:15.29 | *** join/#debian dec3pti0n (n=dec3pti0@pdpc/supporter/student/dec3pti0n) |
| 22:15.29 | *** join/#debian dec3pti0n (n=dec3pti0@pdpc/supporter/student/dec3pti0n) |
| 22:15.59 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 22:15.59 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 22:16.18 | *** join/#debian wnight (n=r00t@S01060012171a40a9.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 22:16.18 | *** join/#debian wnight (n=r00t@S01060012171a40a9.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 22:16.42 | *** join/#debian msa (n=t@81.193.2.157) |
| 22:16.42 | *** join/#debian msa (n=t@81.193.2.157) |
| 22:16.53 | *** join/#debian SRabbelier (n=sverre@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 22:16.54 | *** join/#debian SRabbelier (n=sverre@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 22:17.08 | Jemt | I just tried booting the system without mounting /var/run as a tmpfs - same error |
| 22:17.09 | *** join/#debian ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) |
| 22:17.09 | *** join/#debian ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) |
| 22:17.31 | enouf | Jemt: /tmp likes to be 1777, might not be related to your acpid and /var/run issues/errors .. i think if acpid worked fine when not as tmpfs, then the issue is with your tmpfs implementation (perhaps you've overmounted an already mounted /var ? or something) .. otherwise, i'd test your acpid implementation using standard default mounting params 1st to see if it even works - i think i recall seeing that exact error on old hardware though, it |
| 22:17.32 | enouf | because something is buggy with the hardware/BIOS acpi |
| 22:17.32 | enouf | Jemt: /tmp likes to be 1777, might not be related to your acpid and /var/run issues/errors .. i think if acpid worked fine when not as tmpfs, then the issue is with your tmpfs implementation (perhaps you've overmounted an already mounted /var ? or something) .. otherwise, i'd test your acpid implementation using standard default mounting params 1st to see if it even works - i think i recall seeing that exact error on old hardware though, it |
| 22:17.32 | enouf | because something is buggy with the hardware/BIOS acpi |
| 22:17.34 | SRabbelier | I'm confused, how do I get libauthen-sasl-perl on lenny? I see it's in etch (http://packages.debian.org/etch/libauthen-sasl-perl), but 'apt-get install libauthen-sasl-perl ' tells me no such package :( |
| 22:17.46 | enouf | bingo |
| 22:18.06 | *** join/#debian aurax (i=aurax@bzq-84-108-166-31.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:18.06 | *** join/#debian aurax (i=aurax@bzq-84-108-166-31.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:18.07 | aurax | hello |
| 22:18.09 | aurax | is there a way to force users to mount nfs (like netlogon with cifs/smb)? |
| 22:18.21 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@astro.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:18.21 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@astro.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:18.45 | themill | judd: versions libauthen-sasl-perl |
| 22:18.46 | judd | themill: libauthen-sasl-perl -- etch: 2.10-1 lenny: 2.12-1 sid: 2.12-1 |
| 22:18.46 | judd | themill: libauthen-sasl-perl -- etch: 2.10-1 lenny: 2.12-1 sid: 2.12-1 |
| 22:18.53 | Jemt | enouf: I think you are right - I over mounted an already existing folder. So I'm supposed to remove folder that I mount, right? |
| 22:18.58 | themill | SRabbelier: ^^ it exists in lenny.... |
| 22:19.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 907] by debhelper |
| 22:19.17 | themill | dpkg: tell SRabbelier about bat |
| 22:19.21 | Jemt | enouf: you see, the acpid.socket file exists, but does not have chmod 777 as the folder /var/run - that's the problem |
| 22:19.21 | Jemt | enouf: you see, the acpid.socket file exists, but does not have chmod 777 as the folder /var/run - that's the problem |
| 22:19.57 | SRabbelier | themill: pasting... |
| 22:20.14 | enouf | Jemt: narrowing in on non-working acpid could be non-trivial , for example , pastebin any/all thermal fan processor module lines from lsmod - also your cat /proc/cmdline and also note Lenny's initrd loads some thermal_* and fan ? from initrd |
| 22:20.24 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B2692C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:20.24 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B2692C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:20.25 | SRabbelier | themill: http://paste.debian.net/26650/ |
| 22:20.38 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@astro.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:20.38 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@astro.cs.sunyit.edu) |
| 22:21.24 | Jemt | enouf: I see. I'll look into it. hang on :) |
| 22:21.49 | SRabbelier | themill: http://paste.debian.net/26651/ |
| 22:21.49 | SRabbelier | themill: http://paste.debian.net/26651/ |
| 22:22.04 | enouf | Jemt: it would need to be non-mounted at /boot (but can't be, if all your dirs/ are under your / .. but there might be a workaround though) for you to be able to mount it as you like (tmpfs for example) |
| 22:22.08 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@150.156.195.37) |
| 22:22.08 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@150.156.195.37) |
| 22:22.11 | Jemt | enouf: Hm, just as a simple solution, I tried 'chmod 777 * -R' in /var/run - nothing. I will now try what you said |
| 22:22.13 | themill | SRabbelier: have you run apt-get update recently? |
| 22:22.15 | aurax | anyone ? |
| 22:22.24 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl6-224-116.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 22:22.24 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl6-224-116.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 22:22.50 | *** join/#debian fisxoj (n=fisxoj@149.43.108.27) |
| 22:22.50 | *** join/#debian fisxoj (n=fisxoj@149.43.108.27) |
| 22:22.57 | themill | aurax: pam_mount |
| 22:23.04 | SRabbelier | feels retarded |
| 22:23.10 | Jemt | enouf: All dirs are under /, yes. Why can't /var/run be mounted during boot ? |
| 22:23.12 | SRabbelier | themill: I did like, last week :-/ |
| 22:23.14 | aurax | upon authentication ? |
| 22:23.21 | SRabbelier | themill: it works now though, thanks |
| 22:23.36 | *** join/#debian Arcalyth (n=arcalyth@c-71-205-165-203.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 22:23.36 | *** join/#debian Arcalyth (n=arcalyth@c-71-205-165-203.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 22:23.41 | enouf | Jemt: i'm not sure - perhaps /var/run inherits /var ownership rules |
| 22:23.42 | themill | SRabbelier: if the mirror failed for some reason at the time, then you'd get strange results like that. |
| 22:23.58 | aurax | themill: is there a way to do the same with NIS? |
| 22:23.58 | SRabbelier | themill: ah, making more sense now :) |
| 22:24.00 | Jemt | enouf: Ok. but /var is also mounted as tmpfs |
| 22:24.02 | aurax | can NIS push mounts ? |
| 22:24.02 | aurax | can NIS push mounts ? |
| 22:24.07 | nsadmin | is /var setgid? |
| 22:24.11 | SRabbelier | themill: thanks for the help! |
| 22:24.13 | themill | aurax: I know nothing about it other than it exists. |
| 22:24.16 | themill | SRabbelier: no worries |
| 22:24.16 | themill | SRabbelier: no worries |
| 22:24.37 | aurax | ah :| |
| 22:24.42 | *** part/#debian SRabbelier (n=sverre@ip138-114-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) |
| 22:24.42 | enouf | Jemt: as do most unix style permissions/ownerships etc .. where are you mounting it? you should try ubuntu, they made special provisions for that - i have no idea what they;ve done though |
| 22:25.03 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 22:25.03 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 22:25.43 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@99-196-216-58.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 22:25.43 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@99-196-216-58.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 22:25.47 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:25.47 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:26.00 | *** part/#debian unbeatable (n=eddie@ns366773.ovh.net) |
| 22:26.04 | enouf | Jemt: but /var inherits / 's ownership/rules, etc .. |
| 22:26.43 | Jemt | enouf: Okay. I could use Ubuntu, but I like to play around with Debian. I might not understand everything I do 100%, but I'm trying :) |
| 22:26.51 | enouf | Jemt: and so it goes - up the tree ;-) ... make a separate partition for your tmpfs mounted dirs/ .. but i'm not certain about all this |
| 22:27.13 | *** join/#debian Rockj (i=rockj@2a01:608:ffff:2627:feed:dead:cafe:babe) |
| 22:27.13 | *** join/#debian Rockj (i=rockj@2a01:608:ffff:2627:feed:dead:cafe:babe) |
| 22:27.35 | Jemt | enouf: Are you able to gather anything from this? http://pastebin.ca/1315750 |
| 22:27.36 | enouf | Jemt: ignore my last 2 or |
| 22:27.47 | Jemt | Oh? |
| 22:27.49 | enouf | Jemt: ignore my last 2 or 3 .. i'm not even making sense to myself :-P |
| 22:27.50 | enouf | Jemt: ignore my last 2 or 3 .. i'm not even making sense to myself :-P |
| 22:27.55 | Jemt | Haha :D |
| 22:28.44 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@209.61.48.60.trm01-home.tm.net.my) |
| 22:28.44 | *** join/#debian a[2121]e (n=Linux@209.61.48.60.trm01-home.tm.net.my) |
| 22:28.53 | enouf | Jemt: really - and i need to go as well - but keep at it - the ubuntu suggest was on;y meant as a testcase, see what's done/diff if anything, but i bet the startup scripts in init.d/ matter |
| 22:29.00 | *** part/#debian ghetto (n=ghetto@88.231.200.51) |
| 22:29.29 | Jemt | enouf: Good suggestion. I'll check it out. Thanks for your help :) |
| 22:29.40 | Rockj | Is there any link which explains how you install pear packages the debian way? |
| 22:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 22:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 22:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 22:30.05 | nsadmin | one way to have things in a dir inherit permissions (at least when created...) is to setgid the dir |
| 22:30.10 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=nyhc@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 22:30.10 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=nyhc@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 22:31.23 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:31.23 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:32.26 | enouf | Jemt: for starters, i'd likely do something like this; $ rgrep -l /var/run /etc/init.d/ | xargs grep -il tmpfs to investigate a bit |
| 22:32.44 | streuner_ | Rockj: aptitude install <package>? |
| 22:32.55 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@76.249.25.61) |
| 22:32.56 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@76.249.25.61) |
| 22:33.18 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, thank you, I will try that :) |
| 22:33.28 | *** join/#debian jifix (n=weechat@ppp-94-67-9-133.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:33.28 | *** join/#debian jifix (n=weechat@ppp-94-67-9-133.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:33.48 | enouf | Jemt: looks like /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh is quite important ;-) |
| 22:33.58 | Jemt | Oh yes :) |
| 22:34.15 | enouf | Jemt: you might even be able to set what you need as a VARIABLE= in some /etc/default/filename |
| 22:34.45 | *** join/#debian SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 22:34.45 | *** join/#debian SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 22:35.13 | *** join/#debian b-ker (i=nazax@189.193.35.11) |
| 22:35.13 | *** join/#debian b-ker (i=nazax@189.193.35.11) |
| 22:35.22 | Jemt | enouf: yes, that's true :) |
| 22:35.45 | *** part/#debian jifix (n=weechat@ppp-94-67-9-133.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:35.48 | Rockj | streuner_: that's for normal packages, but often you have to build pear packages from source. |
| 22:35.48 | Rockj | streuner_: that's for normal packages, but often you have to build pear packages from source. |
| 22:36.39 | Jemt | Bed time. Thanks for all the help :) |
| 22:36.42 | Jemt | Good night :) |
| 22:37.04 | *** join/#debian julieN^ (n=julien@144.140.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:37.04 | *** join/#debian julieN^ (n=julien@144.140.100-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:37.52 | streuner_ | Rockj: well, if the packages arent in Debian, you are using the usual way... |
| 22:38.34 | Rockj | I think there should be some kind of make-pear thingie which builds .deb files from pear sources |
| 22:38.56 | sparr | I want to be able to move files out of a folder, but not be able to move the folder. Is that possible with linux file permissions? |
| 22:39.21 | themill | judd: info dh-make-php |
| 22:39.21 | judd | themill: dh-make-php (web): is optional; Version: 0.2.0; Size: 27.9k; Installed: 144k -- Creates Debian source packages for PHP PEAR and PECL extensions |
| 22:39.31 | themill | Rockj: ^^ |
| 22:40.10 | themill | judd: versions dh-make-php |
| 22:40.11 | judd | themill: dh-make-php -- etch: 0.2.0 etch-backports: 0.2.12~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.2.12 sid: 0.2.12 |
| 22:40.19 | themill | You might want the version from backports.org |
| 22:40.27 | Rockj | themill: thanks. :) |
| 22:40.30 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl5-49-168.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 22:40.30 | *** join/#debian nelf (n=nelf@bl5-49-168.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 22:40.45 | Rockj | Got devs asking for: http://pear.php.net/package/Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer :) |
| 22:40.55 | themill | Rockj: no worries. I've never used it, but I presume it works just like dh-make-perl |
| 22:41.01 | themill | eww! |
| 22:41.24 | Gm4n | was there just an update released for lenny/apache2 this morning? |
| 22:41.34 | Rockj | (Yeah I know, I use OOo myself if that's what you mean themill ) |
| 22:42.11 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:42.11 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:42.14 | *** join/#debian finrod (n=finrod@88.198.5.81) |
| 22:42.14 | *** join/#debian finrod (n=finrod@88.198.5.81) |
| 22:42.17 | *** join/#debian bdeferme (i=bdeferme@jailbait.is.paradize.be) |
| 22:42.17 | *** join/#debian bdeferme (i=bdeferme@jailbait.is.paradize.be) |
| 22:42.35 | themill | Rockj: Doesn't it require excel to be installed? Doesn't it use OLE to get excel to create the file etc? |
| 22:42.41 | *** join/#debian Naicamine (n=Naicamin@99-52-186-240.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:42.41 | *** join/#debian Naicamine (n=Naicamin@99-52-186-240.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:42.55 | *** join/#debian sminter (n=test@ip68-5-154-128.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 22:42.55 | *** join/#debian sminter (n=test@ip68-5-154-128.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 22:43.36 | *** join/#debian funktor (i=mew@client-81-98-19-193.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) |
| 22:43.37 | *** join/#debian funktor (i=mew@client-81-98-19-193.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net) |
| 22:43.52 | Rockj | themill: dh-make-pear makes me build files for .deb - anyway been some time ago since I've built debian packages. what command do I fire to actually make the deb file? :) |
| 22:44.05 | *** join/#debian Edico (n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico) |
| 22:44.05 | *** join/#debian Edico (n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico) |
| 22:44.08 | Edico | hello |
| 22:44.21 | sminter | short of dd'ing it to a block device and back of a partition at a time, does anyone know a good way of flatatning a partitioned disk image. I have a raw image file which consists of a boot, swap, and a physical logical volume. I'd like to at the last split that LVM physical volume off or idealy the LV's of that volume |
| 22:44.47 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:1000:a:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 22:44.47 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:1000:a:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 22:45.01 | Rockj | themill: requires OLE from pear it seems , but im giving it a try and let them report back if it was enough to only build spreadsheet-excel-writer or not. |
| 22:45.32 | *** join/#debian gusto (n=gusto@141.30.205.88) |
| 22:45.32 | *** join/#debian gusto (n=gusto@141.30.205.88) |
| 22:45.37 | *** join/#debian Gimic (n=Gimic@141.234-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:45.37 | *** join/#debian Gimic (n=Gimic@141.234-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:46.03 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@85.183.244.114) |
| 22:46.03 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@85.183.244.114) |
| 22:46.21 | minerale | Is it worth paying $300 more for a 64GB SSD drive? -- And can ext3 take advantage of it? I was thinking of getting the Vaio P ($899 Spindle Disk vs $1199 Solid state drive) http://tinyurl.com/vaiop |
| 22:46.23 | themill | Rockj: the man page explains all |
| 22:46.40 | Edico | I'm new to debian. How can I see if a package is installed? "#apt-cache search package" shows me just the name and the description of the package. |
| 22:46.49 | Rockj | themill: yeah I guess, going to check. |
| 22:46.50 | *** join/#debian cnu_ (i=cnu@117.195.225.130) |
| 22:46.51 | *** join/#debian cnu_ (i=cnu@117.195.225.130) |
| 22:47.06 | themill | Edico: apt-cache policy packagename or dpkg -l packagename |
| 22:47.13 | maligor | minerale, ssd's have fast seeks, low heat and low noise |
| 22:47.17 | Gimic | hello, i'm having trouble with x-window-system i've lost the menu, now i only have a gray screen with cursor when i type startx |
| 22:47.20 | Edico | thanks themill |
| 22:47.31 | themill | no worries |
| 22:47.33 | maligor | minerale, but they're overpriced if you ask me |
| 22:48.08 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (n=CrazyEdd@114-198-60-232.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 22:48.08 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (n=CrazyEdd@114-198-60-232.VIC.netspace.net.au) |
| 22:48.51 | Gimic | anybody? |
| 22:48.52 | Gimic | anybody? |
| 22:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 899] by debhelper |
| 22:49.21 | *** join/#debian n0mad (n=Elive_us@88.222.121.141) |
| 22:49.21 | *** join/#debian n0mad (n=Elive_us@88.222.121.141) |
| 22:50.22 | *** join/#debian Hasanibrahim (n=Hasanibr@88.231.56.92) |
| 22:50.22 | *** join/#debian Hasanibrahim (n=Hasanibr@88.231.56.92) |
| 22:50.37 | *** part/#debian Hasanibrahim (n=Hasanibr@88.231.56.92) |
| 22:50.47 | Gimic | google doesn't give me any answers :( |
| 22:50.48 | newsense | whats the command to do math again ? |
| 22:50.58 | newsense | i forget |
| 22:51.04 | valdyn | bc |
| 22:51.10 | newsense | thats it thanks |
| 22:51.41 | *** join/#debian Lifeform (n=Lifeform@185.84-48-91.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:51.41 | *** join/#debian Lifeform (n=Lifeform@185.84-48-91.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:51.42 | newsense | i meant the bash builtin sorry |
| 22:51.45 | Eulex | you can use (( )) too |
| 22:51.59 | Eulex | oh, then you want that one |
| 22:52.00 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 22:52.00 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 22:52.01 | newsense | thats it i knew there was something and one more built into bash |
| 22:52.11 | Eulex | (( n = n + 1 )) for example |
| 22:52.16 | newsense | expr is it |
| 22:52.26 | maligor | or octave --eval 1+1 :P |
| 22:52.36 | Eulex | maligor, ahaha, overkill :P |
| 22:52.38 | newsense | too many ways :) |
| 22:52.40 | Gm4n | Gimic: I don't use X, but perhaps you need to set your window manager? |
| 22:52.40 | Gm4n | Gimic: I don't use X, but perhaps you need to set your window manager? |
| 22:52.51 | *** join/#debian rgr (n=user@e179199013.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:52.51 | *** join/#debian rgr (n=user@e179199013.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:53.18 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:53.18 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:53.31 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-143.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:53.31 | *** join/#debian christefano_ (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-143.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 22:53.49 | *** part/#debian Bangers1 (n=mplattz@203.94.189.66) |
| 22:55.58 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=dz@c211-28-129-218.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:55.58 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=dz@c211-28-129-218.smelb2.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:56.14 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 22:56.14 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 22:56.36 | j_pinx | is there a way I can make alternative screen resolutions available in a gui_ |
| 22:57.04 | valdyn | j_pinx: apt-cache search rand |
| 22:57.05 | valdyn | j_pinx: apt-cache search randr |
| 22:57.06 | dkr | j_pinx: grandr applet |
| 22:57.06 | dkr | j_pinx: grandr applet |
| 22:57.06 | themill | j_pinx: you mean like krandr? |
| 22:57.30 | j_pinx | thanks -- reading...... |
| 22:58.21 | *** part/#debian NickMind-XP_BOX (n=nwsd858@206.169.101.61) |
| 22:58.45 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:58.45 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:59.07 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@200-180-68-74.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 22:59.07 | *** join/#debian pitoow (n=pitoow@200-180-68-74.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 23:00.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 23:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 23:00.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 23:01.28 | Rockj | themill: oki, it seems to make some odd debian rules on one of the packages that I try to build. since dpkg-buildpackage fails. It seems to not pick up "name" on package and named it only php-- . Ive edited files manually and added it to be php-ole , but it fails under dh_clean. Tips? |
| 23:02.22 | *** part/#debian purak (n=purak@78.174.51.216) |
| 23:02.32 | Rockj | http://rafb.net/p/h7rsd334.html , would like to know where dh_clean picks up the rm -f -*/package.xml from. |
| 23:02.51 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) |
| 23:02.51 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-21755.home.otenet.gr) |
| 23:03.26 | *** join/#debian r33 (n=r3r3@141-139.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 23:03.26 | *** join/#debian r33 (n=r3r3@141-139.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 23:04.19 | Gimic | Gm4n how do i set window manager? |
| 23:04.33 | *** join/#debian morfol (n=morfol@port-83-236-58-166.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 23:04.33 | *** join/#debian morfol (n=morfol@port-83-236-58-166.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 23:04.47 | zash_ | Gimic: start one |
| 23:04.48 | zash_ | Gimic: start one |
| 23:05.53 | *** join/#debian sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) |
| 23:05.53 | *** join/#debian sajes (n=sajes@66.82.244.88) |
| 23:06.19 | *** join/#debian ivantis3` (n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com) |
| 23:06.19 | *** join/#debian ivantis3` (n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com) |
| 23:06.22 | zash_ | Gimic: do you have a wm installed? |
| 23:07.05 | Gimic | ok, found it ;-) |
| 23:07.55 | Gimic | needed to add .xinitrc to home directory and add exec startfluxbox |
| 23:08.08 | Gimic | tnx |
| 23:10.30 | *** join/#debian NickMind_XPBOX (n=linuxdud@206.169.101.61) |
| 23:10.30 | *** join/#debian NickMind_XPBOX (n=linuxdud@206.169.101.61) |
| 23:10.43 | *** join/#debian bolexxx (n=bolexxx@unaffiliated/bolexxx) |
| 23:10.43 | *** join/#debian bolexxx (n=bolexxx@unaffiliated/bolexxx) |
| 23:10.48 | *** join/#debian Hups08 (n=Jemt@0x5550950d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 23:10.48 | *** join/#debian Hups08 (n=Jemt@0x5550950d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 23:11.12 | *** join/#debian babilen (n=babilen@unaffiliated/babilen) |
| 23:11.12 | *** join/#debian babilen (n=babilen@unaffiliated/babilen) |
| 23:11.55 | dkr | old school |
| 23:13.35 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student167-46.hampshire.edu) |
| 23:13.35 | *** join/#debian |unjustice| (n=kvirc@student167-46.hampshire.edu) |
| 23:14.13 | stoned | j_pinx, hi |
| 23:14.15 | *** join/#debian msa_ (n=t@bl10-228-74.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 23:14.15 | *** join/#debian msa_ (n=t@bl10-228-74.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 23:14.18 | stoned | j_pinx, remember moi? |
| 23:15.08 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:15.09 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:17.13 | *** join/#debian bluesceada_ (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 23:17.13 | *** join/#debian bluesceada_ (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 23:17.27 | *** part/#debian CyberGabber (n=CyberGab@52-179-ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl) |
| 23:18.52 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-82-81-54-93.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 23:18.52 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-82-81-54-93.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 23:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 892] by debhelper |
| 23:19.23 | SQlvpapir | http://www.wkowtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9667184 lol :D |
| 23:19.51 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:19.51 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:20.14 | *** join/#debian j_pinx (n=johnp@203-97-49-8.dsl.clear.net.nz) |
| 23:20.14 | *** join/#debian j_pinx (n=johnp@203-97-49-8.dsl.clear.net.nz) |
| 23:20.40 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:20.40 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:21.18 | *** join/#debian vega] (i=vega@xtc.df.lth.se) |
| 23:21.18 | *** join/#debian vega] (i=vega@xtc.df.lth.se) |
| 23:21.23 | rgr | What difference in usage between .xsession and .xinitrc? |
| 23:21.59 | mavhc | I knew that in 1996, no idea now |
| 23:22.12 | *** join/#debian cads (n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.12 | *** join/#debian cads (n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:23.57 | *** join/#debian cads (n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:23.57 | *** join/#debian cads (n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 23:26.12 | dkr | .xinitrc is a script run when x starts. it usually also sources .xsession |
| 23:26.21 | dkr | maybe, also long time here, :) |
| 23:27.32 | themill | Rockj: it either doesn't like your package directory or it doesn't like the formatting of your entry in debian/changelog |
| 23:28.00 | et | rgr: one (xinitrc) is called when you call startx, xsession when you're using a graphical login manager |
| 23:28.05 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 23:28.05 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@resnet-pat-254.ucs.ed.ac.uk) |
| 23:28.27 | *** join/#debian pasky (n=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:28.27 | *** join/#debian pasky (n=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:29.00 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:29.00 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:29.51 | *** join/#debian jerbear (n=jerbear@cpe-075-181-117-114.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 23:29.52 | *** join/#debian jerbear (n=jerbear@cpe-075-181-117-114.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 23:30.04 | *** part/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 23:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 23:30.04 | *** join/#debian a2 (n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaw/bot/-) |
| 23:30.30 | abrotman | !.xsession |
| 23:30.30 | dpkg | [xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 23:30.42 | abrotman | !.xinitrc |
| 23:30.42 | dpkg | [.xinitrc] actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 23:30.42 | dpkg | [.xinitrc] actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | got it? |
| 23:31.35 | themill | Rockj: seemed to work for me: http://rafb.net/p/L23Mr896.html |
| 23:32.17 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 23:32.17 | *** join/#debian lipsin (n=lipsin@unaffiliated/lipsin) |
| 23:33.44 | *** join/#debian pasky (n=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:33.44 | *** join/#debian pasky (n=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:34.49 | *** join/#debian allisterb (n=allister@cuscon124331.tstt.net.tt) |
| 23:34.49 | *** join/#debian allisterb (n=allister@cuscon124331.tstt.net.tt) |
| 23:35.01 | *** join/#debian craigevil-eee (n=chatzill@76.249.25.61) |
| 23:35.01 | *** join/#debian craigevil-eee (n=chatzill@76.249.25.61) |
| 23:35.16 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=nontelad@host-84-220-46-51.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:35.16 | *** join/#debian Kbyte (n=nontelad@host-84-220-46-51.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:35.42 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:35.42 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:35.50 | *** join/#debian stoned (i=stoned@24.42.88.69) |
| 23:35.50 | *** join/#debian stoned (i=stoned@24.42.88.69) |
| 23:37.35 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:37.35 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:38.07 | *** join/#debian keevie (n=daniel@user-12ld9ni.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:38.08 | *** join/#debian keevie (n=daniel@user-12ld9ni.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 23:38.28 | keevie | can anyone parse this and see whats wrong with my xorg.conf? http://pastebin.com/fbbb8cc |
| 23:38.35 | keevie | http://pastebin.com/f67320f5e my xorg.conf |
| 23:38.48 | keevie | would appreciate help muchly |
| 23:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 883] by debhelper |
| 23:39.50 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-66-29-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 23:39.50 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-66-29-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 23:41.43 | *** join/#debian kevin7kal (n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com) |
| 23:41.43 | *** join/#debian kevin7kal (n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com) |
| 23:42.18 | *** part/#debian Brack101 (n=tbracket@mail.midcoforklift.com) |
| 23:44.25 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B2692C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:44.25 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B2692C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:45.01 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host151.200-82-97.telecom.net.ar) |
| 23:45.01 | *** join/#debian propellerhead (n=yogurt2u@host151.200-82-97.telecom.net.ar) |
| 23:45.37 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) |
| 23:45.38 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-351793.home.otenet.gr) |
| 23:46.05 | *** join/#debian deeku (n=telppa@24.130.8.124) |
| 23:46.05 | *** join/#debian deeku (n=telppa@24.130.8.124) |
| 23:46.26 | adama_ | keevie: you should run startx as user, not root |
| 23:46.37 | *** join/#debian mirco_ (n=mirco@p54B2692C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:46.37 | *** join/#debian mirco_ (n=mirco@p54B2692C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:46.46 | keevie | adama: thats not the problem though |
| 23:46.48 | keevie | but yeah |
| 23:48.09 | adama_ | keevie: do you have this package installed?: libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 23:48.24 | keevie | ill check |
| 23:48.57 | adama_ | it provides that file i915_dri.so |
| 23:49.07 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-82-81-54-93.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 23:49.07 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-82-81-54-93.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 23:49.09 | keevie | well, i didnt |
| 23:49.28 | keevie | still doesnt work |
| 23:49.31 | *** part/#debian misnix (n=jkr@corona.xs4all.nl) |
| 23:49.42 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:49.42 | *** join/#debian pasky (i=pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 23:50.03 | adama_ | keevie: does Xorg.log have a different error? |
| 23:50.44 | keevie | where is Xorg.log? |
| 23:50.48 | keevie | sorry |
| 23:51.01 | adama_ | keevie: I mean, the same log you posted earlier |
| 23:51.05 | adama_ | whatever it's called |
| 23:51.09 | keevie | thats just the output |
| 23:51.18 | *** join/#debian flokuehn (n=flokuehn@globalways/developer/flokuehn) |
| 23:51.18 | *** join/#debian flokuehn (n=flokuehn@globalways/developer/flokuehn) |
| 23:51.22 | keevie | it has the same errors minus the first part |
| 23:51.43 | adama_ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:52.04 | *** join/#debian format_c (n=format_c@p57A7267D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:52.04 | *** join/#debian format_c (n=format_c@p57A7267D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:52.20 | keevie | wow |
| 23:52.21 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:52.21 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:52.23 | keevie | thats huge |
| 23:52.44 | keevie | ill paste the output, 1 sec |
| 23:53.42 | adama_ | keevie: have you had X working before? How did this happen? |
| 23:54.49 | *** join/#debian iViLe (i=bob@c114-76-23-136.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:54.49 | *** join/#debian iViLe (i=bob@c114-76-23-136.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:54.53 | keevie | not on this computer with debian |
| 23:54.57 | keevie | i had it with arch before |
| 23:55.00 | *** join/#debian kevin7kal (n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com) |
| 23:55.00 | *** join/#debian kevin7kal (n=kevin7ka@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com) |
| 23:55.35 | *** join/#debian Amorphous (i=jan@unaffiliated/amorphous) |
| 23:55.35 | *** join/#debian Amorphous (i=jan@unaffiliated/amorphous) |
| 23:55.47 | *** join/#debian Flexa (n=JesusAug@189.81.177.131) |
| 23:55.47 | *** join/#debian Flexa (n=JesusAug@189.81.177.131) |
| 23:56.04 | *** part/#debian Fjordside (n=Jonas@unaffiliated/fjordside) |
| 23:56.06 | keevie | adama_:file is like 2000 lines, 1 sec |
| 23:57.15 | *** join/#debian pablolibo (n=pablolib@200-127-169-107.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 23:57.15 | *** join/#debian pablolibo (n=pablolib@200-127-169-107.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 23:57.35 | *** join/#debian palx (n=chatzill@190.159.169.254) |
| 23:57.35 | *** join/#debian palx (n=chatzill@190.159.169.254) |
| 23:58.44 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:58.44 | *** join/#debian nbeebo (n=nbeebo@217-210-198-227-no71.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 23:59.04 | keevie | okay, i dont really see how i can copy it |
| 23:59.29 | keevie | adama_: do you really need the output from that entire file? |
| 23:59.51 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 23:59.51 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christo@cpe-76-168-200-180.socal.res.rr.com) |
