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| 00:02.03 | NickMind_XPBOX | keevie: i don't want to interfer with adama_ but what version of debian and x.org are you using? |
| 00:02.20 | keevie | etch |
| 00:02.23 | keevie | and im not sure |
| 00:03.23 | keevie | the package was xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
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| 00:05.27 | keevie | nevermind, i fixed the problem with xfonts-base |
| 00:05.29 | keevie | d'oh |
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| 00:06.11 | NickMind_XPBOX | keevie: what was the problem with xfonts-base? not installed? |
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| 00:07.13 | keevie | yeah |
| 00:07.14 | keevie | lol |
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| 00:09.29 | NickMind_XPBOX | ohhhh can someone correct me, but isn't the a dependentce on xfonts to install x.org? |
| 00:10.03 | keevie | apparently not |
| 00:10.25 | NickMind_XPBOX | let me reword that one,,, to install x.org, xfont-base must be installed? |
| 00:10.46 | NickMind_XPBOX | keevie: i see that. |
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| 00:25.11 | newsense | vxdscn, encryption,file integriy, ids? |
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| 00:25.57 | ctrlx | http://www.pceverything.org/702/mac-pirates-catch-a-cold/ |
| 00:27.25 | newsense | ctrlx, ahh thats what he meant |
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| 00:27.58 | ctrlx | i'm happy to see this lol i hate macs |
| 00:28.22 | newsense | yeah closest thing to a mac i care for is my ps3 |
| 00:29.11 | newsense | ctrlx, i hadnt heard of that till you posted the link, seems ms eats up all the media coverage of security holes |
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| 00:29.26 | dmoerner | what awful spelling in that link |
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| 00:30.59 | newsense | i'm used to it, i irc way too often so improper spelling and no punctuation does'nt bother me much |
| 00:31.00 | suwro | hello, Ive installed and configured dkim-filter but it is not signing the mail. |
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| 00:31.16 | suwro | what is best to use for domain keys? |
| 00:31.36 | sema4r | i'm booting kernel 2.26.6 with vga=791 and it actually gets my display resolution right. but i still end up with only 8 colors in the linux console. how can i change that ? |
| 00:31.41 | newsense | !best |
| 00:31.41 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:31.41 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 00:33.14 | suwro | for domain keys signature. |
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| 00:33.54 | suwro | anyone use dkim-filter or dk-milter here? |
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| 00:35.23 | dmoerner | sema4r: 791 should be 16-bit. you can try 792 though which is supposed to be 32-bit |
| 00:35.24 | hagabaka | is there a way to list installed packages which is not in a repository in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 00:35.32 | dmoerner | 32bpp, that is |
| 00:35.33 | arisv | any ideas abou this? -> http://www.nabble.com/zd1211rw-and-TP-Link%27s-TL-WN322G-td19626368.html |
| 00:35.33 | arisv | any ideas abou this? -> http://www.nabble.com/zd1211rw-and-TP-Link%27s-TL-WN322G-td19626368.html |
| 00:35.41 | dmoerner | hagabaka: aptitude search ~o |
| 00:36.12 | hagabaka | thanks |
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| 00:36.49 | suwro | my domain is domain.com reverse is server1.domain.com I've set domainkey on mail._domainkey.domain.com still polycycheck is saying that I don't have a domainkey.. where am I wrong? |
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| 00:38.11 | hagabaka | is there a way to replace those pacakges with any version found in the repositories? |
| 00:38.11 | sema4r | dmoerner: is there a way to find the right setting? i ran hwinfo --framebuffer but that didn't tell me what to choose. |
| 00:40.00 | dmoerner | hagabaka: what do you mean? are you asking how to find different programs with equivalent functionality that are in the repos? |
| 00:41.07 | hagabaka | i mean replace the packages in "aptitude search ~o" with the latest version found in repos, even if it is a downgrade |
| 00:41.22 | dmoerner | sema4r: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10 lists some common ones in the Framebuffer section, although it is in hex |
| 00:41.34 | dmoerner | hagabaka: aptitude search ~o only finds packages that have no versions in the repos |
| 00:41.41 | hagabaka | i know... |
| 00:41.44 | hagabaka | oh |
| 00:41.55 | dmoerner | if you want to find packages that have newer versions installed on the system than are currently installed |
| 00:42.04 | dmoerner | then the easiest way is to install apt-show-versions |
| 00:42.17 | dmoerner | which will provide easily parseable output for the newer versions that can be used in a script |
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| 00:43.07 | bernie_ | hellow |
| 00:43.16 | hagabaka | i'll try, thanks |
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| 00:45.49 | ferret_0567_ | !lenny bugs |
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| 00:46.21 | ferret_0567_ | !rc blockers |
| 00:46.52 | ferret_0567_ | grr...how do I get a list of links which go to the blockers for debian testing's release as stable? |
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| 00:48.26 | sema4r | dmoerner: thx |
| 00:49.47 | NickMind_XPBOX | ferret_0567_ : sorry im not helping but, what are blockers? |
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| 00:50.36 | ferret_0567_ | NickMind_XPBOX: they are bugs that are blocking the release of said version of OS from becoming a stable release |
| 00:51.07 | liable | !wwlr |
| 00:51.07 | dpkg | Lenny (5.0) will release WIR, SIYH and RSN. It will not be released while there are release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release". Ask me about <wir> <siyh> <rsn> <lenny status> <lenny pool> and see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html |
| 00:51.28 | liable | see first link |
| 00:52.09 | dustybin | Ubuntu releases with release-critical bugs, so why can't Debian... Its just not fair :-( |
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| 00:53.41 | grendal_prime | im trying ssh-copy-id to ...well do what i does..i keep getting an error about "no identities found" if created the keys wiith ssh-keygen. what the hell am i doing wrong? |
| 00:53.52 | nkuttler | dustybin: if you want bugs go with testing |
| 00:54.00 | dustybin | nkuttler: bugger off :P |
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| 00:55.25 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 00:57.55 | simonrvn | !lart supersoundguy |
| 00:57.56 | dpkg | stabs supersoundguy |
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| 01:00.12 | magyar | hi, i have an issue with ipsec racoon, I only can establish one connection to a racoon server, anyone using ipsec? |
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| 01:00.50 | grendal_prime | nevermind i figured it out |
| 01:00.53 | grendal_prime | thanks anyway |
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| 01:02.19 | {e | on the eee 900. the atheros wifi is detected right, but not enabled. does it mean i need firmware or drivers? |
| 01:02.23 | {e | debian sid |
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| 01:06.52 | liable | {e: no, is the blue light on? exactly how are you trying to configure it? |
| 01:06.55 | liable | {e: no, is the blue light on? exactly how are you trying to configure it? |
| 01:07.00 | {e | i am not trying to configure it |
| 01:07.12 | {e | the blue light is on |
| 01:07.26 | {e | i noticed during installation that the atheros wireless was detected |
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| 01:07.44 | liable | yes, so whats the problem? |
| 01:07.53 | {e | but, no wireless networks are found |
| 01:08.01 | rgr | Just got "http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/non-free/binary-i386/PackagesIndex: MD5Sum mismatch". Anything up? |
| 01:08.18 | liable | rgr: try another mirror |
| 01:08.50 | amitz | {e: no wireless network as in "iwlist ath0 scanning" find no network? |
| 01:08.54 | rgr | Yes I know I could do that. That wasn't the question. |
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| 01:09.32 | amitz | rgr: do you use apt-cacher, apt-proxy, or something like that? |
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| 01:09.52 | rgr | no, just fired up synaptic for first time in a few days. |
| 01:10.05 | rgr | (or maybe, I dont know) |
| 01:10.08 | kingsley | How would you execute a script as a normal user, and before KDE3 starts? |
| 01:10.09 | kingsley | How would you execute a script as a normal user, and before KDE3 starts? |
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| 01:10.25 | rgr | kingsley: .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 01:10.28 | {e | amitz, do i need the wireless-tools perhaps? |
| 01:10.50 | {e | cause that command gave nothing |
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| 01:11.14 | kingsley | rgr: They look promising. I'll pursue them. |
| 01:11.25 | liable | meaning it doesnt exist, or it found no networks? |
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| 01:11.51 | {e | amitz, no result |
| 01:11.51 | amitz | {e: but no syntax error or something like that right? |
| 01:12.30 | amitz | {e: in addition to what liable asked, when you do iwconfig, do you have ath0 interface having wireless extension? |
| 01:12.30 | liable | does your ap have a hidden essid? |
| 01:12.30 | liable | does your ap have a hidden essid? |
| 01:12.47 | {e | i got wlan0 |
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| 01:12.56 | liable | ah |
| 01:13.11 | liable | {e: did you use the standard debian installer? |
| 01:13.33 | liable | sounds like ath5k is loaded, not madwifi |
| 01:13.52 | Lucy | I'm having a bit of trouble getting the right performance from all but one SATA drives. instead of around 110 mb/s with hdparm -t i get around 50-60 mb/s . Help anyone ? |
| 01:14.09 | {e | liable, yes, standard installation |
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| 01:14.34 | liable | {e: you need to install madwifi-source and build it. then blacklist ath5k |
| 01:14.50 | {e | hmm, how? |
| 01:15.02 | {e | w module assistant? |
| 01:15.10 | liable | yep |
| 01:15.11 | liable | yep |
| 01:15.21 | {e | ok, i will try |
| 01:15.43 | {e | where do i blacklist ath5k? |
| 01:15.48 | liable | if you install madwifi-tools, it will blacklist ath5k for you |
| 01:15.49 | valdyn | Lucy: its a slower drive? |
| 01:16.00 | Lucy | nope |
| 01:16.21 | amitz | rgr: It happened to me sometime, just apt-get update again. |
| 01:16.23 | Lucy | i'm for instance comparing two brand new 500gb drives |
| 01:16.57 | valdyn | Lucy: its in use by another application? |
| 01:17.06 | Lucy | valdyn: no |
| 01:17.24 | valdyn | Lucy: same controllers? |
| 01:17.25 | Lucy | it seems like debian is tuning the rootfs drive better than the others |
| 01:17.25 | Lucy | it seems like debian is tuning the rootfs drive better than the others |
| 01:17.29 | Lucy | yes |
| 01:17.33 | valdyn | Lucy: no it isnt |
| 01:17.39 | kingsley | rgr: Do you happen to know if kdm is run first, then .xsession/.xinitrc, and finally KDE3? |
| 01:18.08 | valdyn | Lucy: any errors in dmesg? |
| 01:18.19 | rgr | of course. since if you dont log in with kdm how can it know what user you are for .xsession? Caveat : I use WDM. |
| 01:18.22 | Lucy | valdyn: there is a thing: dmesg reports a 3 gbps sata link for the first drive |
| 01:18.29 | Lucy | and 1,5 for the second |
| 01:18.30 | Lucy | and 1,5 for the second |
| 01:18.40 | Lucy | that's about the only difference i can spot |
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| 01:19.08 | liable | kingsley: kde has an autostart file that runs at startup, or do you need to run it before then even? |
| 01:19.09 | valdyn | Lucy: youre using a sata 1 cable for one? |
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| 01:20.04 | Lucy | valdyn: hmm, now you have me puzzled ... red sata cables for all drives. |
| 01:20.16 | valdyn | Lucy: the color doesnt matter |
| 01:20.32 | valdyn | Lucy: sata 2 plugs have some metal, sata 1 pure plastic |
| 01:20.39 | kingsley | rgr: Yes, I agree. But, I also need to make sure a certain script is run before KDE3's sound daemon, artsd. |
| 01:21.04 | kingsley | liable: Yes, I need to run the script (as a normal user) before KDE3 starts. |
| 01:21.12 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
| 01:21.12 | Lucy | valdyn: I think all the cables have plastic only caps |
| 01:21.12 | kingsley | needs to go soon... |
| 01:21.12 | Lucy | valdyn: I think all the cables have plastic only caps |
| 01:21.39 | valdyn | Lucy: that would mean that one is falsly drive by 3gpbs speed |
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| 01:23.07 | SkyLeach | please forgive an ignorant question, but I have just inherited a number of debian servers from a previous admin and I noticed that the man pages on these machines contain what appears to be a number of garbled characters. If I am not mistaken, these are multibyte characters. I do not know what lang page debian uses by default and I do not know if these man pages are UTF8, Latin1 or some other encoding. |
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| 01:23.17 | valdyn | Lucy: normally speed handshake happens between disk and controller, where the controller checks cable type aswell |
| 01:23.24 | valdyn | Lucy: linux does not affect that |
| 01:23.53 | SkyLeach | in what setting/configuration loction should I search for this setting so that I may alter it so that my man pages aren't so horridly ugly? (not to mention difficult to use since /<regex> doesn't match) |
| 01:24.06 | Lucy | valdyn: cables are the same for both drives |
| 01:24.32 | Lucy | it says only Serial ATA on them |
| 01:24.33 | Lucy | it says only Serial ATA on them |
| 01:24.40 | amitz | SkyLeach: just an idea from an ignorant person, copy paste that phrase in google and see website from which country will come out |
| 01:25.01 | amitz | copy paste that garbled characters |
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| 01:25.33 | valdyn | Lucy: i have no idea. It sounds like a firmware issue on the disk or controller |
| 01:25.43 | infinity1 | is anyoen currently have a problem with netsol DNS servers? |
| 01:25.45 | SkyLeach | amitz, unfortunately the garbled characters are garbled because the terminal doesn't know how to display the multibyte characters from whatever encoding is being used (I assume en-UTF8) and so it wouldn't be the correct bytes if I simply copy and paste. |
| 01:25.45 | SkyLeach | amitz, unfortunately the garbled characters are garbled because the terminal doesn't know how to display the multibyte characters from whatever encoding is being used (I assume en-UTF8) and so it wouldn't be the correct bytes if I simply copy and paste. |
| 01:26.09 | infinity1 | NS21,ns22 .WORLDNIC.COM seem down or very slow |
| 01:26.36 | valdyn | Lucy: though you could be doing something silly like benchmarking partitions instead of drives |
| 01:27.01 | Lucy | valdyn: it could be. I've tried the "slower" drive on the same sata connection , and it was just as fast |
| 01:27.27 | valdyn | Lucy: maybe it really is 2 different controllers |
| 01:27.30 | Lucy | I was just wondering if its' not a debian error |
| 01:27.50 | SkyLeach | Lucy, valdyn I joined the channel after your discussion started, but I just worked out some issues with SATA, hdparm and speeding up performance so I may be able to help if you can repeat the issue you are experiencing. |
| 01:28.21 | Lucy | SkyLeach: my knight in shining armor :) |
| 01:28.26 | amitz | SkyLeach: ah, so it's not in the form of a box with some ascii numbers inside the box? If it's in the form I mention, I usually copy and paste it to google, specifically when my installation doesn't support that language but I need to see the google result. |
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| 01:28.42 | valdyn | Lucy: till proof of the contrary it can always be a driver bug, but that is probably not the likely cause |
| 01:28.47 | SkyLeach | benchmarked XFS vs. Reiserfs vs. ext4 on both SATA II 1TB and 500GB drives and found that ext4 is *resoundingly* better overall than the others. |
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| 01:29.11 | valdyn | SkyLeach: that depends on the type of benchmark |
| 01:29.11 | valdyn | SkyLeach: that depends on the type of benchmark |
| 01:29.23 | valdyn | SkyLeach: but were not at filesystem level anyway |
| 01:29.26 | amitz | SkyLeach: somehow that kind of garbled character is treated consistently within terminal and google in firefox. |
| 01:29.34 | supersoundguy | hey, did some of you get pinged a few minutes ago...if so sorry! i need to learn to password protect my terminal... |
| 01:29.39 | SkyLeach | amitz, unfortunately no, it is the symbols from the default ascii charset of the terminal, which I believe is just standard ASCII on this system and not Latin1 or UTF8 |
| 01:29.39 | SkyLeach | amitz, unfortunately no, it is the symbols from the default ascii charset of the terminal, which I believe is just standard ASCII on this system and not Latin1 or UTF8 |
| 01:29.47 | Lucy | valdyn: hdparm -i reports about the same values for both drives |
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| 01:30.27 | sixpak | SkyLeach: why dont you search for installed manpages ? |
| 01:30.47 | sixpak | dpkg -l | grep manpages |
| 01:30.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep manpages |
| 01:31.10 | Lucy | SkyLeach: the values i get are consistent |
| 01:31.30 | valdyn | Lucy: and you said that you can reach the high speed on the 2nd drive if you change cable? |
| 01:31.36 | SkyLeach | valdyn, XFS was, on average, 2MBs faster than ext4 and 15MBs faster than reiserfs on files larger than 2MB in size. Reiserfs was, on average, 40MBs faster than XFS on large numbers of files smaller than 2MB in size. ext4 was within 2MBs of both of the others on both large numbers of small files and large files, making it an excellent choice for balanced performance. |
| 01:31.38 | valdyn | Lucy: or change port |
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| 01:32.30 | Lucy | valdyn: the first SATA port seems to be faster, but can it really be a controller issue? |
| 01:32.45 | Lucy | by the way I'm running SATA as AHCI |
| 01:33.01 | SkyLeach | sixpak, it appears that the previous admin didn't use locales.gen to specify the system locality, so that the terminal default is ASCII and all man pages for all linguas are installed. |
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| 01:33.48 | valdyn | Lucy: thats probably the best driver |
| 01:34.15 | valdyn | Lucy: i think its cable or port itself |
| 01:34.27 | Lucy | ok |
| 01:34.27 | valdyn | Lucy: unless you switched around cables already |
| 01:34.41 | valdyn | Lucy: it shouldnt be the port speed, as 1.5gbps should be plenty |
| 01:34.42 | Lucy | the cables look identical |
| 01:34.42 | Lucy | the cables look identical |
| 01:34.58 | Lucy | I was thinking the same |
| 01:35.15 | SkyLeach | generally sets up and admins gentoo systems and sets the entire language defaults at install time. Debian is different and I am unfamiliar with how languages/linguas are configured on a debian system. |
| 01:35.29 | valdyn | !locales |
| 01:35.30 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 01:35.30 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 01:36.02 | Lucy | nice |
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| 01:36.13 | SkyLeach | ty valdyn that is precicely what I needed :-)\ |
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| 01:40.21 | SkyLeach | will setting a default locale affect web users? (I think not, since the browser specifies locale in the request) |
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| 01:42.10 | simeon | hey guys I copied my filesystem to another partition and tried to run it from there what it now says during boot up is that the filesystem is read only :( |
| 01:42.42 | SkyLeach | simeon, how did you do the copy? |
| 01:42.51 | simeon | rsync |
| 01:42.56 | SkyLeach | simeon, cp -a is ok, but I generally do rsync -av :-) |
| 01:42.56 | SkyLeach | simeon, cp -a is ok, but I generally do rsync -av :-) |
| 01:42.57 | SkyLeach | good |
| 01:43.01 | simeon | :) |
| 01:43.16 | SkyLeach | check your fstab to see how you are loading the filesystem. |
| 01:43.44 | Lucy | simeon: and grub parameters |
| 01:43.54 | simeon | oh yes I think I forgot to edit it - anything else I need to edit? Grub is ok don't worry |
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| 01:43.57 | Lucy | in /boot/menu.lst |
| 01:44.04 | SkyLeach | if using an inittab check root= and real_root= settings |
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| 01:47.31 | simeon | it doesn |
| 01:47.53 | simeon | oops it doesn't specify root= in inittab |
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| 01:49.38 | dustybin | http://www.google.com/patents?q=microsoft+windows&btnG=Search+Patents ..interesting |
| 01:49.52 | simeon | ok guys i am going to try an run it now see what happens |
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| 01:50.26 | magyar | hi, anyone using ipsec racoon? |
| 01:51.05 | Rockj | themill: are you still around? :) |
| 01:52.13 | Rockj | themill: http://rafb.net/p/nOV1tP51.html , it looks like it doesn't pick up the properties from package.xml |
| 01:52.14 | SkyLeach | dustybin, that kind of stuff pisses me off, since it (like most software patents) isn't really an invention but merely an obvious way of doing something that would of course eventually be done by someone since the entire field is under repid developmental growth being comparatively new. |
| 01:52.37 | Rockj | themill: I'm using Debian Etch, not lenny incase you are using that. |
| 01:52.41 | stoned | dustybin, offtopic |
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| 01:55.50 | SkyLeach | hates irc, always gets to talking about computers instead of actually working on them :-D (kidding of course) |
| 01:55.56 | SkyLeach | gets back to work |
| 01:55.56 | SkyLeach | gets back to work |
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| 01:58.14 | adnc | can someone please tell me where i can find the mime magic database file? |
| 01:58.15 | adnc | can someone please tell me where i can find the mime magic database file? |
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| 01:58.49 | Daemonik | What utilities are used to create ram disks? (Not tmpfs) |
| 01:58.57 | amphi | adnc: /etc/mailcap ? |
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| 02:00.20 | adnc | amphi: thank you |
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| 02:04.27 | adnc | amphi: the file /etc/mime.types is this the mime magic file? |
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| 02:14.05 | enouf | Daemonik: /Documentation/ramdisk.txt |
| 02:14.37 | enouf | what is your intention .. and what's wrong with tmpfs? |
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| 02:29.19 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 02:29.19 | dpkg | <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up |
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| 02:29.47 | enouf | lmao |
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| 02:30.25 | newsense | haha |
| 02:30.43 | newsense | im assuming he wanted to see his *dm ? |
| 02:31.06 | enouf | full blown windows DE |
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| 02:32.32 | Daemonik | enouf, We have a legacy database (d3 by raining data) that can only utilize 2 gigs of RAM. D3 is a variant of Pick (an operating system going back to the 60s). Pick by default caches as much in RAM as possible. Our database is 20 gigs in size. When pages happen everything slows to a crawl. I'm going to see how a 20 gig file accessed by /dev/loop0 combined with a 20 gig ram-disk in a softRAID mode 1 array works out. I'm going to hav |
| 02:32.32 | Daemonik | e it "--write-mostly" to /dev/<ram-disk> if possible. |
| 02:32.32 | Daemonik | e it "--write-mostly" to /dev/<ram-disk> if possible. |
| 02:32.52 | Joelito | hello, what's the name of the debian package to browse the perl-doc? |
| 02:33.01 | Joelito | like in dev-help. |
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| 02:37.26 | enouf | Daemonik: interesting actually .. i'm trying to think of anything further to add, but nothing offhand comes to mind (seems inappropriate for your situation) |
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| 02:39.41 | enouf | perldoc perl |
| 02:40.19 | enouf | ~$ zless /usr/share/doc/perl/README.gz |
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| 02:42.47 | Daemonik | enouf, I understand this is a total kludge (until we can port our app to the GPL Pick, QM) and most Debian power users would scream at me for suggesting this. But, our users will notice (the hell out of) this performance boost. |
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| 02:45.18 | enouf | Daemonik: you meant to say paging (swapping) not pages, right? the kernel ofcourse uses pages mmap() and page tables, etc .. then you have things like hugetlbpage for utilizing larger page sizes - http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/vm/hugetlbpage.txt -- linus had a over some 16K(?) page sizes with the xfs dev folk - though, the dev made some great points |
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| 02:45.58 | enouf | had a fit* :-) |
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| 02:52.27 | pl4yer0ne | 'lo all |
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| 02:53.15 | pl4yer0ne | This is a logn shot but are there any Aussies here who have got a bigpond wireless device working? |
| 02:53.25 | pl4yer0ne | long even |
| 02:55.21 | liable | whats the problem? |
| 02:55.44 | pl4yer0ne | The modem hangs up after it seemingly connects ok |
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| 02:56.27 | pl4yer0ne | I thought it was just needing the latest driver but it still doesnt work with the current version |
| 02:56.49 | liable | is it a bigpond modem? |
| 02:56.58 | pl4yer0ne | yep, sierra 880U |
| 02:57.14 | liable | you actually got it from them? |
| 02:57.18 | pl4yer0ne | yes |
| 02:57.31 | liable | i had a locked modem that did that. |
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| 02:58.04 | pl4yer0ne | it works in windows and it was working in ubuntu, but after reinstalling debian it now fails |
| 02:58.21 | pl4yer0ne | so i was wondering if anyone else had managed to get one working. |
| 02:58.27 | liable | what program are you using to connect with? |
| 02:58.38 | enouf | !blame debian for allowing users' pebkac |
| 02:58.39 | dpkg | blames grilled-cheese and debian for allowing users' pebkac for all the evil in the world |
| 02:58.39 | dpkg | blames grilled-cheese and debian for allowing users' pebkac for all the evil in the world |
| 02:58.59 | amitz | I have computer A acting as router and computer B acting as connection provider to internet. I want to have computer B passes the internet connection to computer A, where A distributes that connection. What to run in A and B? |
| 02:59.14 | pl4yer0ne | liable: wvdial |
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| 02:59.39 | liable | pl4yer0ne: i'll paste my pon scripts for you, you can try that. sec |
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| 03:01.09 | dimedo | hi, i use "sudo xinit -- :1" to start an additional xserver, which is instantly displayed after this command. can i somehow start it but stay at the current server? |
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| 03:03.09 | enouf | dimedo: add ' &' |
| 03:03.26 | enouf | 'sudo xinit -- :1 &' |
| 03:03.58 | dimedo | enouf, thanks a lot |
| 03:04.15 | liable | pl4yer0ne: http://paste.debian.net/26672/ |
| 03:04.44 | dimedo | enouf, damn |
| 03:04.48 | dimedo | enouf, doesn't work |
| 03:05.13 | liable | pl4yer0ne: iirc wvdial gave me some grief, so I started using pon |
| 03:05.20 | dimedo | enouf, server stdout goes to the background but the session is joined |
| 03:05.26 | NickMind_XPBOX | ' |
| 03:05.42 | pl4yer0ne | ok dude thanks will try now |
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| 03:06.37 | liable | pl4yer0ne: thats for 3g, if you use bigpond wireless, i think the number is different |
| 03:07.21 | amitz | specifically: 1. how to force computer A, which run ipmasq/dnsmasq, to use computer B as gateway? |
| 03:07.30 | enouf | dimedo: hrm .. |
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| 03:13.44 | Tramp | amitz: aeh - by setting it as its gateway? |
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| 03:14.45 | kash` | what's the best way to boot debian from an AoE/LVM setup? |
| 03:14.56 | enouf | best? |
| 03:15.18 | kash` | only? |
| 03:15.20 | enouf | lvm needs a separate /boot .. unless grub2 perhaps |
| 03:15.40 | enouf | AoE needs a working network |
| 03:15.43 | kash` | i can boot from a 256MB flash drive |
| 03:15.51 | kash` | maybe grub with initrd |
| 03:16.04 | kash` | /boot residing on the USB device |
| 03:16.06 | enouf | debian kernels all come with an initrd |
| 03:16.06 | enouf | debian kernels all come with an initrd |
| 03:16.10 | newsense_ | kash`, if you setup lvm at install time you should have been notified of the seperate /boot partition needing to be created |
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| 03:16.49 | pl4yer0ne | liable: no joy as yet... seems to be the same problem even using pon |
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| 03:18.04 | liable | pl4yer0ne: They are a bit of a black box to try and debug. I cant think of any suggestions other than google. |
| 03:18.28 | liable | pl4yer0ne: whats the exact hang up line? |
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| 03:20.15 | enouf | kash`: the usb key would be attached locally? or remotely? |
| 03:20.50 | kash` | enouf: locally |
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| 03:22.18 | Darknos | anybody there? |
| 03:23.22 | pl4yer0ne | liable: using pon the line in /varlog/messages is "Modem hangup" using wvdial its "The ppd daemon has died: A modem hung up on the phone (exit code = 16)" |
| 03:23.48 | enouf | kash`: then do you really need AoE? or am i misunderstanding |
| 03:23.51 | pl4yer0ne | and exit code 16 is "A modem hung up" or something similar, not very helpful |
| 03:23.58 | liable | pl4yer0ne: exit code 16 is failed to authenticate |
| 03:23.58 | liable | pl4yer0ne: exit code 16 is failed to authenticate |
| 03:24.19 | kash` | enouf: let's say i have a 256MB flash drive, dual gigabit NICs, and an AoE server from Coraid with... 12TB of space |
| 03:24.28 | Daemonik | enouf, According to our database guy / Pick expert. Pick does its own paging. |
| 03:24.59 | enouf | Daemonik: again, define "paging" .. was my point |
| 03:25.10 | kash` | enouf: i'd like to limit the number of writes to the flash media |
| 03:25.34 | pl4yer0ne | liable: man pppd says The link was terminated by the modem hanging up. |
| 03:25.50 | liable | pl4yer0ne: look further down for exit codes |
| 03:25.58 | pl4yer0ne | that -is- the exit code |
| 03:26.01 | liable | oh it is too |
| 03:26.07 | liable | i must has misread |
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| 03:29.04 | wurmboy | cann someone help me with a debian 4 issue? im trying to mount an ntfs drive and im getting errors |
| 03:29.11 | wurmboy | thanks |
| 03:29.15 | kash` | what errors? |
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| 03:30.05 | wurmboy | device is not rememoveable |
| 03:30.10 | wurmboy | and couldnt not enter pmount |
| 03:30.26 | liable | pl4yer0ne: there is a pdf bu serra that give you commands you can echo to /dev/ttyUSB1 and get some info from the modem. I thought i wrote about it and had a link on my sight, but it appears not. google sierra modem codes |
| 03:30.41 | liable | s/bu/by/ |
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| 03:31.01 | devhell_ | wurmboy: read man pmount and goto the policy section |
| 03:31.12 | enouf | wurmboy: i was going to answer on OFTC.net, but you were impatient - i showed up later |
| 03:31.31 | wurmboy | its not impatience 1st time irc user |
| 03:31.36 | wurmboy | didnt think it was working |
| 03:31.37 | wurmboy | sorry |
| 03:31.37 | wurmboy | sorry |
| 03:31.46 | batman_ramirez | hi my debian gets stuck right after booting the kernel and now im sitting at a # prompt |
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| 03:32.24 | pl4yer0ne | liable: yeah I have seen most of that stuff from their site. Has been pretty helpful with the correct strings etc... I will have a look for the PDF, though I have tried a few of the AT's they have in other parts. |
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| 03:32.56 | DGMurdockIII | http://www.reactos.org/ |
| 03:33.03 | Daemonik | enouf, Swapping. According to our database guy / Pick expert. Pick does its own swapping. |
| 03:33.05 | DGMurdockIII | still the best |
| 03:33.11 | batman_ramirez | doest respond to almost everything... telling me that sh no job control in this shell |
| 03:33.34 | Daemonik | enouf, Sorry for the redundancy. Multi-tasking. Forgot to scroll up. Heh |
| 03:34.13 | DGMurdockIII | reactos is the best os in the world linux is going to die |
| 03:34.21 | wurmboy | so its no supposed to work by default? did you just tell me to read the manual? lol |
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| 03:37.04 | wurmboy | dlibhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 03:37.04 | wurmboy | process 7701: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 03:37.05 | wurmboy | error: device /dev/libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 03:37.05 | wurmboy | process 7701: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
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| 03:37.05 | wurmboy | process 7701: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 03:37.05 | wurmboy | error: device /dev/libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 03:37.05 | wurmboy | process 7701: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
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| 03:40.03 | wurmboy | can anyone help with this error |
| 03:40.12 | wurmboy | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
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| 03:40.34 | wurmboy | process 7701: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
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| 03:40.45 | wurmboy | error: device /dev/sdb1 is not removable |
| 03:40.45 | wurmboy | error: could not execute pmount |
| 03:40.45 | wurmboy | error: device /dev/sdb1 is not removable |
| 03:40.45 | wurmboy | error: could not execute pmount |
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| 03:46.23 | devhell_ | wurmboy: is it a removable device? |
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| 03:51.31 | bjordan_ | how can I add a sound effect to keypresses? |
| 03:52.30 | newsense_ | aplay id think but how to actually incorporate it i have no idea |
| 03:52.31 | magyar | him I need to load extra modules during boot time in lenny, so I place it in the directory of /etc/modprobe.d/mymodules On etch it was loading fine on lenny no luck |
| 03:53.13 | bjordan_ | newsense_, ah, this isn't a common task |
| 03:54.53 | jamon | magyar: if you have an /etc/modprobe.conf file try removing that |
| 03:55.23 | newsense_ | magyar, might have to list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules than update-initramfs -u on the initramfs you want to add the modules to |
| 03:56.44 | wurmboy | no |
| 03:56.54 | wurmboy | its not a removeable device |
| 03:57.06 | magyar | jamon: don't have that file |
| 03:57.14 | wurmboy | its an sata hard drive with an ntfs partition |
| 03:57.51 | magyar | newsense_: that only required to boot devices etc, in my case I neet to load some pptp nat and contrac modules |
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| 03:58.22 | newsense_ | magyar, ahh i thought you needed the modules to boot sorry |
| 03:59.09 | newsense_ | magyar, are these modules you are building yourself from source ? |
| 03:59.48 | magyar | newsense_: nope, default kernel modules |
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| 04:01.17 | newsense_ | magyar, after you running update-modules ? |
| 04:01.40 | newsense_ | magyar, been a while since i needed to ass modules but if i remember correctly that is needed |
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| 04:01.56 | newsense_ | s/ass/add |
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| 04:03.21 | magyar | newsense_: The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used! |
| 04:03.29 | magyar | not sure what I use instead |
| 04:03.29 | magyar | not sure what I use instead |
| 04:04.06 | newsense_ | magyar, is it sorry, like i asid i havent done it in a while personally but thats the way i remember i think i added them to /etc/modules and ran update-modules |
| 04:04.18 | newsense_ | !update modules |
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| 04:05.33 | magyar | newsense_: things change fast around here :) |
| 04:05.58 | devhell_ | wurmboy: i told you to read the man-page of pmount |
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| 04:06.15 | devhell_ | wurmboy: at least read the description part.. |
| 04:06.31 | wurmboy | ok read man pmount |
| 04:06.37 | newsense_ | not really im talking years since ive added a module after an install that wasnt a third party module |
| 04:06.50 | intrados | does anyone know of a cli wallpaper setter with support for multiple monitors? |
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| 04:08.12 | newsense_ | magyar, have ya tried adding the modules to /etc/modules and running dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 04:08.15 | devhell_ | wurmboy: you don't bother reading the man.. ok.. I won't bother helping you.. |
| 04:08.15 | devhell_ | wurmboy: you don't bother reading the man.. ok.. I won't bother helping you.. |
| 04:08.35 | wurmboy | im looking |
| 04:08.57 | newsense_ | magyar, have ya tried adding the modules to /etc/modules and running dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-<or whatever kernel ya want the modules loaded for> |
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| 04:10.08 | devhell_ | wurmboy: so then it should be self-explaining why it won't work.. |
| 04:11.22 | wurmboy | well why is gnome seeing the hd as a portable device |
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| 04:12.04 | wurmboy | i know how to mount a cdrom never mounted an hd from terminal |
| 04:13.10 | magyar | newsense_: nope, I think, according to module-update man page all additional pluggable modules should be under /etc/modprobe.d/ directory |
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| 04:13.28 | devhell_ | wurmboy: can you access the drive via gnome? |
| 04:14.05 | newsense_ | magyar, i thought you werent adding any modules but trying to load already present modules |
| 04:14.21 | wurmboy | i can see it in the computer window, but when i click on it it gives that pmount error |
| 04:16.59 | wurmboy | im in fstab now pokling arond |
| 04:17.03 | magyar | newsense_: sry, load modules like "/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686-bigmem/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_pptp.ko" and "/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686-bigmem/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_pptp.ko" |
| 04:18.03 | newsense_ | magyar, did ya try adding them to the list in /etc/modules and running the command i told ya ? |
| 04:18.40 | magyar | newsense_: nope, I'll try it in a bit and let you know what'll happen |
| 04:19.04 | newsense_ | magyar, it should work |
| 04:19.40 | newsense_ | adding the modules to /etc/modules and running dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) id think |
| 04:20.10 | magyar | newsense_: I have to "f" around a bit and see what will load them on reboot, the odd thing is, on etch I had them in "/etc/modprobe/pptp" file and it used to load like a champ |
| 04:20.18 | magyar | now, don't know what happened |
| 04:20.28 | magyar | bleehh |
| 04:21.08 | newsense_ | im thinking thats what the reconfigure will do is copy the modules you add to /etc/modules to the proper place t mbe loaded or just load them, might want to double check that |
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| 04:25.19 | magyar | newsense_: will do, thank for your help |
| 04:25.27 | magyar | ks |
| 04:25.39 | newsense_ | take it easy :) |
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| 04:28.45 | armenb2 | hello. I could use a little assistance un-fucking up my debian system |
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| 04:29.56 | bittin^ | i bought a toy for over 50$ and gonna give it to a girl |
| 04:29.59 | armenb2 | I accidently upgraded glibc, and nowI have libc-2.7.so installed, but all my applications are looking for libc-2.3.4.so |
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| 04:30.16 | bittin^ | is i dumb or just in love? |
| 04:30.31 | armenb2 | worse yet, it seems like there are virtually no debian mirrors hosting old copies of debian netinst cd images. |
| 04:30.31 | armenb2 | worse yet, it seems like there are virtually no debian mirrors hosting old copies of debian netinst cd images. |
| 04:30.32 | newsense_ | update-alternatives glibc ? |
| 04:30.44 | armenb2 | newsense_ - please elaborate? |
| 04:31.23 | newsense_ | maybe not |
| 04:31.34 | dmoerner | armenb2: reinstall |
| 04:31.41 | kash` | http://debian.dc-uoit.net/debiancd/ |
| 04:31.45 | kash` | armenb2: ^ |
| 04:31.54 | newsense_ | im not sure if ya can have alternatives for glibc |
| 04:31.54 | newsense_ | im not sure if ya can have alternatives for glibc |
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| 04:32.04 | dmoerner | you can't |
| 04:32.25 | ulk | hey guys i deleted /etc/mysql , and trying to re install mysql-server by apt-get install mysql-server , but never installs /etc/mysql anymore |
| 04:32.31 | armenb2 | kash` - that URL shows debian40* |
| 04:32.33 | dmoerner | ulk: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 04:32.33 | dmoerner | ulk: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 04:32.41 | armenb2 | i want debian30* if i want to get libc-2.3.4 back. |
| 04:32.52 | bittin^ | starts to wonder when valentines day is |
| 04:33.35 | newsense_ | dmoerner, yeah that was oing out on a limb when i said that haha |
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| 04:33.57 | dmoerner | armenb2: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#old |
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| 04:34.12 | dmoerner | there are no alternatives for libraries, only binaries, as far as i know |
| 04:34.15 | armenb2 | dmoerner - yeah, that URL is of no use. |
| 04:34.30 | dmoerner | why? |
| 04:34.31 | armenb2 | they only have the gigantic full installation images, which is not what i want. |
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| 04:34.43 | kash` | ulk: apt-get purge mysql-server && apt-get install mysql-server |
| 04:34.56 | kash` | armenb2: linuxiso? |
| 04:35.38 | armenb2 | kash` -im booted right now using systemrescuecd. |
| 04:35.57 | armenb2 | i just can't even chroot to my hard drive's / because of this dumb library problem :-P |
| 04:36.52 | ulk | kash`: weird, doesn't get /etc/mysql back |
| 04:36.54 | armenb2 | does anyone have an old linux system i could swipe a libc-2.3.4 and ld-2.3.4 out of? :-P |
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| 04:36.59 | ulk | either of those ways don't work |
| 04:37.10 | armenb2 | ulk - try dpkg --purge then reinstall |
| 04:37.10 | armenb2 | ulk - try dpkg --purge then reinstall |
| 04:37.13 | dmoerner | why don't you stop using sarge? |
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| 04:37.53 | ulk | armenb2: no luck, very weird |
| 04:37.58 | armenb2 | dmoerner - sigh. good question. i don't want sarge to fuck up my system really badly :-P |
| 04:38.07 | dmoerner | too late |
| 04:38.07 | armenb2 | er, not sarge |
| 04:38.07 | dmoerner | too late |
| 04:38.07 | armenb2 | er, not sarge |
| 04:38.15 | teratoma | ulk: i had this question before |
| 04:38.18 | armenb2 | i dont want the installation of something newer to fuck up my system :P |
| 04:38.19 | dmoerner | you already did it yourself ;) |
| 04:38.25 | teratoma | ulk: here's whatthe dpkg bot told me: |
| 04:38.25 | armenb2 | i know i know.. :) |
| 04:38.26 | armenb2 | i know i know.. :) |
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| 04:38.33 | armenb2 | but all i need is 2 freaking library files!! :-P |
| 04:38.52 | teratoma | ulk: the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and t |
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| 04:38.56 | teratoma | hat you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <package |
| 04:38.59 | teratoma | name>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 04:39.05 | dmoerner | armenb2: happy birthday http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6_i386.deb |
| 04:39.31 | armenb2 | dmoerner - doh. i need libc6_2.3.4 :-P |
| 04:39.31 | armenb2 | dmoerner - doh. i need libc6_2.3.4 :-P |
| 04:39.32 | dmoerner | that is not in Debian. |
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| 04:39.41 | ulk | teratoma: yeah did that already, doing it again now to see |
| 04:39.44 | dmoerner | and never has been in a stable release |
| 04:39.51 | bittin^ | moot: from 4chan? |
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| 04:39.54 | teratoma | ulk apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-server |
| 04:39.55 | ulk | teratoma: still nothing |
| 04:39.57 | teratoma | oh ok |
| 04:39.58 | armenb2 | heh! hmmmmmm |
| 04:39.58 | armenb2 | heh! hmmmmmm |
| 04:40.06 | teratoma | i dont believe you! |
| 04:40.13 | armenb2 | why are all my applications (e.g. bash, etc) looking for 2.3.4 then? |
| 04:40.14 | ulk | i'm not joking heh |
| 04:40.18 | dmoerner | ulk: do --force-confnew as well |
| 04:40.18 | dmoerner | ulk: do --force-confnew as well |
| 04:40.24 | dmoerner | i have no idea |
| 04:40.54 | armenb2 | so sarge uses 2.3.2, and etch uses 2.7? |
| 04:40.59 | armenb2 | there's nothing in between, is there? |
| 04:41.00 | dmoerner | etch uses 2.3.6 |
| 04:41.00 | dmoerner | etch uses 2.3.6 |
| 04:41.08 | dmoerner | judd: versions glibc |
| 04:41.08 | judd | dmoerner: glibc -- |
| 04:41.13 | dmoerner | judd: versions libc6 |
| 04:41.13 | judd | dmoerner: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.7-18 experimental: 2.9-0exp1 |
| 04:41.19 | dmoerner | that's too bad it should support source package names too |
| 04:41.54 | armenb2 | wow. weird. |
| 04:42.03 | armenb2 | i do have a screwed up system, don't i :-) |
| 04:42.03 | armenb2 | i do have a screwed up system, don't i :-) |
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| 04:49.04 | hark | mysql-server is just the metapackage |
| 04:49.24 | ulk | mysql-server-5.0 gives /etc/mysql/debian-start |
| 04:49.49 | ulk | /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
| 04:49.53 | ulk | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 04:49.53 | dpkg | ulk: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 04:50.17 | ulk | now i get this, sec |
| 04:50.25 | hark | mysql-common as well |
| 04:51.52 | ulk | http://pastebin.com/m61bf94f2 |
| 04:53.39 | kash` | weird issue; vgscan finds a volume group but isn't making the /dev/vg folder |
| 04:54.19 | nsadmin | kash` is it active |
| 04:54.31 | kash` | how do i activate it? |
| 04:54.50 | nsadmin | vgchange |
| 04:54.55 | hark | vgchange |
| 04:55.19 | nsadmin | hark: and also vgchange! |
| 04:55.27 | kash` | ahh |
| 04:55.30 | kash` | now i did :) |
| 04:55.36 | kash` | how do i make LVM auto activate them? |
| 04:55.46 | kash` | nvm |
| 04:55.46 | kash` | nvm |
| 04:56.05 | nsadmin | is it your /? |
| 04:56.20 | kash` | i'm getting there, but for now i'm just getting the hang of it |
| 04:56.32 | kash` | i'm trying to use an AoE target as / |
| 04:56.37 | kash` | with LVM |
| 04:56.37 | kash` | with LVM |
| 04:56.38 | nsadmin | oh ok, so nothing's aqutomatic yet |
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| 04:57.09 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:57.13 | nsadmin | America on Extacy? |
| 04:57.14 | lkthomas | I am trying to use debian to join domain |
| 04:57.14 | lkthomas | I am trying to use debian to join domain |
| 04:57.19 | lkthomas | but I got this error from samba: |
| 04:57.25 | kash` | right now i'm trying to get the general idea of how to go about this; right now i have a VM acting as a client to my desktop which is exporting a 500GB drive over AoE, the VM doesn't find it automatically (yet) |
| 04:57.33 | lkthomas | NT_STATUS_INVALID_COMPUTER_NAME |
| 04:57.39 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
| 04:57.39 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
| 04:57.39 | kash` | ATA over Ethernet |
| 04:57.46 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:58.10 | nsadmin | is that reasonable with 100baseT? |
| 04:58.27 | kash` | i'm using 10000mbit |
| 04:58.27 | kash` | i'm using 10000mbit |
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| 04:58.57 | kash` | that's another thing the image needs to do; bond 10 gigabit ethernet interfaces together |
| 04:59.06 | nsadmin | what are you using for wiring? |
| 04:59.15 | nsadmin | cat98745734? |
| 04:59.15 | kash` | they're using cat6a i think |
| 04:59.15 | kash` | they're using cat6a i think |
| 04:59.23 | nsadmin | oh ok :) |
| 04:59.50 | kash` | cables are only 4 feet long, so the shielding isn't that big of a deal |
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| 05:00.08 | nsadmin | just depends how noisy the env is |
| 05:00.25 | kash` | well cat6a goes up to 80m i think at 10gbit |
| 05:00.44 | nsadmin | wow... |
| 05:01.01 | nsadmin | how much are hubs/switches? |
| 05:01.09 | kash` | could be completely wrong |
| 05:01.09 | kash` | don't even ask, i have no idea |
| 05:01.09 | kash` | could be completely wrong |
| 05:01.09 | kash` | don't even ask, i have no idea |
| 05:01.45 | nsadmin | well in any case ata over that must be just fine |
| 05:02.12 | kash` | yeah it's a Coraid box providing the AoE in the real environment |
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| 05:03.11 | nsadmin | so you did pvcreate on... umm, what exactly? |
| 05:03.29 | kash` | i'm only using my test environment right now |
| 05:03.44 | kash` | which consists of a quad core debian box running vmware with debian inside that |
| 05:04.13 | nsadmin | ok, so the pvs are drives in that box? |
| 05:04.17 | kash` | the host has a 500GB drive that is exported over aoe using 'vbladed' |
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| 05:04.37 | kash` | i ran pvcreate, vgcreate etc on that drive, created a 100gb lv |
| 05:04.56 | nsadmin | ahh... so your pv is the whole drive? |
| 05:05.22 | kash` | then the client (ideally) boots to the initrd, brings up the bonded interface, discovers the target, mounts its lv and then boots using it as / |
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| 05:05.41 | kash` | no, the pv is a partition that is the size of the whole drive, this way i don't accidentally delete it from fdisk :P |
| 05:06.05 | kash` | i also am not sure if vgscan would work well like that |
| 05:06.36 | nsadmin | what about doing pvscans first |
| 05:07.18 | kash` | it's not an issue of finding the vg, it's auto activating it |
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| 05:08.12 | nsadmin | let me see what my lvm dies |
| 05:08.14 | nsadmin | does |
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| 05:08.33 | kash` | ah, volume_list in lvm.conf has a list of VG's to auto activate |
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| 05:09.14 | nsadmin | so I have a file /etc/init.d/lvm |
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| 05:09.41 | nsadmin | oh nm, you seem to have found it already |
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| 05:12.04 | nsadmin | but anyway on mine, /etc/init.d/lvm start will activate the vg(s) |
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| 05:14.49 | kash` | ok, i'm going to ignore LVM for now and just get started on booting the device from an AoE image :) |
| 05:14.51 | bmoll8 | I am able to automount nfs shares just fine, but when I mount samba shares, I get a 'permission denied' error when I try to access them, even though my security is set to 'share' (I am mounting the shares on a home network). |
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| 05:29.47 | Starhero | Hello all, I am having issues with installing debian on an old laptop that has NO eth and the wifi seems to be bunk (it just won't connect to the ap) I have no cd nor do I have a flash drive. I would like to do a hd install (by mounting ALL cds i need) with another partition. I have googled my self to death. IS this even possible? |
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| 05:30.40 | Starhero | I had installed CentOS the same way, but gave up on that distro since the wireless just wouldn't insmod |
| 05:31.09 | Starhero | I heard debian supports it and so I would like to try it. |
| 05:31.15 | Sebboh- | Starhero, you have a way to put data on the hard drive? |
| 05:32.41 | Starhero | Yes, there is another winxp partiton that I can use for mounting cd |
| 05:33.17 | Starhero | I also have fat32 tho not as big and i hope to wipe that eventually (that was just because centos has no ntfs support) |
| 05:33.39 | kash` | there's something related to unetbootin that will install a distro from within windows |
| 05:33.52 | Starhero | yes that is what I am using btw |
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| 05:34.06 | Starhero | but since it only comes with the net install i am at a lose |
| 05:34.37 | liable | !goodbye windows |
| 05:34.43 | Starhero | is switching to wifi so he may speak and smoke out site brb |
| 05:35.15 | liable | !goodbyewindows |
| 05:35.18 | liable | meh |
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| 05:37.32 | cydork | !goodbye microsoft |
| 05:37.33 | dpkg | it has been said that goodbye microsoft is http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ (Debian installer which runs from a current Windows session). |
| 05:37.40 | cydork | liable: looking for that? |
| 05:38.04 | liable | aye, dane |
| 05:38.08 | liable | danke |
| 05:38.18 | cydork | no probs.. |
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| 05:40.45 | Sebboh- | If I use debootstrap to install an extra Debian in an extra partition.. can I then configure the system to boot into it, in the normal way, with grub? Thus switching my / from partition A to partition B, so that I can delete A? |
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| 05:43.07 | Starhero_ | is back after fighing with his router |
| 05:43.38 | Starhero_ | any suggestions on how to install deb? |
| 05:44.01 | nsadmin | umm... there are a lot of ways |
| 05:44.21 | Starhero_ | well i only see a solution tho hdmedia |
| 05:44.30 | Starhero_ | and i can't find a proper guide for that |
| 05:44.40 | nsadmin | it's not in the install guide? |
| 05:44.58 | nsadmin | and you can't burn cds, is that right? |
| 05:45.04 | Starhero_ | you can do a net install though that but the wifi is bunk for some reason |
| 05:45.07 | Starhero_ | yes |
| 05:45.07 | Starhero_ | yes |
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| 05:45.19 | Starhero_ | i don't have any medium |
| 05:45.22 | Starhero_ | ....for no |
| 05:45.24 | Starhero_ | *now |
| 05:45.30 | Starhero_ | might be a long time before I get any |
| 05:45.30 | Starhero_ | might be a long time before I get any |
| 05:45.49 | nsadmin | so you have a burner but no blanks? |
| 05:45.53 | Starhero_ | correct |
| 05:46.11 | Starhero_ | lightscribe even :) |
| 05:46.16 | nsadmin | ok, so maybe hdmedia might be the way to go' |
| 05:46.36 | nsadmin | I dunno how to do it either |
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| 05:46.57 | nsadmin | it's not in the install guide? |
| 05:47.11 | Starhero_ | not for a full install so i can get the wifi compile or something |
| 05:47.23 | shyam | unrar-free says failed on extracting rar package. is there any better Free Software for extracting things from rar? |
| 05:47.24 | Starhero_ | cuz the driver it comes with does NOT connect to my ap for idk what reasion |
| 05:47.42 | nsadmin | can you temporarily do wired eth? |
| 05:47.48 | newsense__ | Starhero, maybe you need firmware ? |
| 05:47.55 | Starhero_ | no, no eth o the laptop |
| 05:48.09 | newsense__ | ap ? |
| 05:48.13 | Starhero_ | it says no missing firmware in the log console |
| 05:48.24 | Starhero_ | but it does say something about a missing lib |
| 05:48.39 | newsense__ | ifconfig show the device ? |
| 05:48.44 | nsadmin | any way to get exactly what it says? |
| 05:48.46 | Starhero_ | no ifconfig |
| 05:48.52 | nsadmin | perhaps pastebin the whole thing? |
| 05:48.52 | Starhero_ | the busybox doesn't have it |
| 05:49.07 | Starhero_ | all i have is netcfg and it doesn't do anything (just hangs..have to ctrl c it |
| 05:49.12 | newsense__ | oh your using busybox |
| 05:49.12 | newsense__ | oh your using busybox |
| 05:49.23 | Starhero_ | yeah ...since that is all that is on the initrd |
| 05:49.24 | newsense__ | missed that part excuse me |
| 05:49.34 | Starhero_ | no worries |
| 05:49.58 | Starhero_ | (your better help then when i tried getting help from centos channel for that distro hence why i don't want it anymore) |
| 05:50.27 | Starhero_ | they just sent me to a quesion guide crap ...i kno how to ask questions darn it |
| 05:50.28 | Starhero_ | lol |
| 05:50.32 | nsadmin | still it's going to be good to be independent |
| 05:50.40 | nsadmin | you can grow into it |
| 05:50.47 | newsense__ | so you got a minimal install going im assuming ? |
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| 05:51.17 | Starhero_ | i guess i could i am not sure, never tried continuing the installer after if can't connect to a mirror |
| 05:51.38 | nsadmin | is it a netinst? |
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| 05:52.06 | Starhero_ | oh my ghost died |
| 05:52.07 | Starhero_ | lol |
| 05:52.08 | Starhero_ | lol |
| 05:52.15 | newsense__ | Starhero, guess i dont get why busybox was important to mention sorry |
| 05:52.45 | nsadmin | newsense__: ifconfig wasn't available due to its not being in busybox? |
| 05:52.52 | Starhero_ | ok now at the alt pc so i can give more info |
| 05:52.57 | Starhero_ | let me get to the log console |
| 05:52.57 | Starhero_ | let me get to the log console |
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| 05:54.00 | newsense__ | i thought ifconfig was in busybox but i could be wrong and from what you say probobly am |
| 05:54.02 | newsense__ | :) |
| 05:54.31 | Starhero_ | i'll check since i am rebooting that system for the inital errror when loading the wifi drivers |
| 05:54.44 | nsadmin | or it is but the ifconfig symlink is missing? |
| 05:54.46 | Starhero_ | it really isn't an error ...cuz the darn thing turns on |
| 05:55.07 | nsadmin | which darn thing |
| 05:55.17 | newsense__ | Starhero_, yeah nsadmin has a good point cause it should have ifconfig id think,, try a full path |
| 05:55.21 | nsadmin | the laptop? a device connected? |
| 05:55.44 | nsadmin | you might be able to run busybox with --help or someting |
| 05:56.09 | nsadmin | maybe ifconfig is in another part of the installer |
| 05:56.26 | nsadmin | is there a hdmedia netinst? |
| 05:56.48 | Starhero_ | from main-menu[1283] DEBUG resolver (libc6-udeb_: package doesn't exist (ignored) |
| 05:56.50 | newsense__ | nsadmin, yeah you were right busybox does have ifconfig |
| 05:56.59 | Starhero_ | then the same thing for just libc6 |
| 05:57.10 | Starhero_ | menu item netcfg selected |
| 05:57.29 | Starhero_ | queeing package wireless-tools for later installation |
| 05:57.30 | Starhero_ | queeing package wireless-tools for later installation |
| 05:57.52 | Starhero_ | then the wlan0 tryus to connect to a ap but it ges ap denied |
| 05:58.01 | Starhero_ | there are 2 aps here that have open auth |
| 05:58.14 | Starhero_ | mine and someone elses that i believe is using mac auth |
| 05:58.21 | nsadmin | maybe it's your neighbor :) |
| 05:58.49 | nsadmin | oh, maybe it's yours too |
| 05:58.50 | Starhero_ | it always trys to default to that one (confirmed by this computers wireless and comparing macs) |
| 05:59.02 | Starhero_ | no it it is a neighboros |
| 05:59.04 | Starhero_ | and mine |
| 05:59.22 | Starhero_ | (i am airocracking all the other ones later muahahahahah) |
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| 06:00.08 | Starhero_ | btw if anyone has teamspeak i think this would like alot LOL |
| 06:00.08 | Starhero_ | btw if anyone has teamspeak i think this would like alot LOL |
| 06:01.15 | Starhero_ | if i manual config the wifi with the installer i still don't connect |
| 06:01.41 | Starhero_ | i mean if i spec the essid THEN try to dhcp it don't work...so i manual config it and it STILL Don't work! |
| 06:03.17 | Starhero_ | wmaster unknown hardware address type 801 when it trys to dhcpdis anything |
| 06:03.21 | newsense__ | stamps, you might need firmware what chipset ? |
| 06:03.40 | newsense__ | err starhero_ sorry |
| 06:03.46 | Starhero_ | np |
| 06:03.56 | Starhero_ | rtl8185 or rtl8180 |
| 06:04.02 | Starhero_ | the kernal is using 8180 |
| 06:04.10 | Starhero_ | (least that is the mod name) |
| 06:04.19 | newsense__ | !rtl |
| 06:04.58 | newsense__ | !rtl8180 |
| 06:04.58 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. RTL8187SE not supported, ask about <rtl8187se>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 06:05.03 | Starhero_ | and like i said the debug logger states no missing hardware |
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| 06:05.34 | Starhero_ | *firmware |
| 06:05.55 | phorce1 | so, switches ... 3 networks feeding a mass of mixed debian and win boxes. Since I've never actually attempted this I need to ask first if my brain is functioning properly. Switches don't care what goes through them so I should be able to connect all 3 (different IP ranges) networks to a single switch stack and have access to all of them that way, correct? (so long as I make sure only one of them is offering dhcp leases) |
| 06:06.15 | newsense__ | Starhero_, so the installer sees no networks ? |
| 06:06.43 | Starhero_ | it does....but it ither won't stay connected or this is not a good driver or something |
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| 06:06.56 | Starhero_ | dhcpdis goes on forever |
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| 06:07.18 | newsense__ | Starhero_, what chipset is it though 8180 or 8185 ? |
| 06:07.30 | Starhero_ | and i kno that is running on the router ...the router is a router gaven by verizon (i hate the flippin router) |
| 06:07.43 | newsense__ | 2wire |
| 06:08.06 | Starhero_ | you tell me TBH.....it is a trendnet tew-421PC |
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| 06:08.23 | Starhero_ | i have info pointing to BOTH 8185 and 8180 |
| 06:08.57 | Starhero_ | incerting this into this laptop (ubuntu 8.10) gives me a kern mod 8180 |
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| 06:09.31 | Starhero_ | No dhcpoffers receiced....sleeping |
| 06:09.46 | Starhero_ | and the link is lit...and the act is blinking |
| 06:09.52 | Starhero_ | i must be connected...with no ip |
| 06:10.19 | newsense__ | rare for verizon they usually stick to 2wire, i did tech support for their internet service for a while |
| 06:10.19 | newsense__ | lspci? |
| 06:10.19 | newsense__ | whats that say |
| 06:10.19 | newsense__ | lspci? |
| 06:10.19 | newsense__ | whats that say |
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| 06:10.55 | Starhero_ | realtek semiconductor |
| 06:10.59 | Starhero_ | rtl 8185 |
| 06:11.02 | Starhero_ | that is the name |
| 06:11.02 | Starhero_ | that is the name |
| 06:11.13 | Starhero_ | the drvr in use is rtl8180 |
| 06:11.16 | Starhero_ | might be the issue |
| 06:11.42 | newsense__ | iwconfig wil tell ya if you are associated or not |
| 06:11.42 | newsense__ | lspci will tell ya the info ya need reguarding hardware |
| 06:11.42 | newsense__ | iwconfig wil tell ya if you are associated or not |
| 06:11.42 | newsense__ | lspci will tell ya the info ya need reguarding hardware |
| 06:11.44 | Starhero_ | but how do you get other drivers you need to COMPILE for a minimal initrd |
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| 06:12.38 | newsense__ | if you see Access Point::<wlan mac address> you are associated |
| 06:12.48 | Starhero_ | starhero types iw and tabbs away "Ain't nothing happing boss" |
| 06:13.20 | newsense__ | if you see Access Point::<blank> you are not |
| 06:13.27 | Starhero_ | /bin/sh: iwconfig : not found |
| 06:14.05 | Starhero_ | i wish it was that simple...i woudn;'t be here if it was |
| 06:14.07 | Starhero_ | lol |
| 06:14.07 | Starhero_ | lol |
| 06:14.35 | hark | Starhero_: /sbin/iwconfig |
| 06:14.41 | Starhero_ | idk how to rate my linux knowledge but unless i have tried to fix a problem for a few hours and still haven't got it....i then come in here |
| 06:15.00 | Starhero_ | not found |
| 06:15.39 | Starhero_ | would this being the test release really matter...i did forget that...i have tried the stable and that didn't even find the drivers for the wifi |
| 06:17.16 | Starhero_ | man i have even tried adhocing this to my computer and sharing inet (but i have never done that with windows to windows let alone linux to linux ....and i kno almost everything about windows) |
| 06:17.26 | Starhero_ | (never did it successfully) |
| 06:18.06 | Starhero_ | So, lets try to get away from net installing, and figure out how to get an installer that will let me install with mountable iso |
| 06:18.12 | Starhero_ | that i see as the only way |
| 06:18.36 | Starhero_ | once installed, i can then find out if this is the driver or the card peroid |
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| 06:18.45 | Starhero_ | cuz then i can compile |
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| 06:21.36 | Starhero_ | oh god...i gotta go...this computers hdd i think is about to fail (the asus...the only good computer) |
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| 06:28.30 | quik__ | is it possible to sync only recent files (2 weeks) using rsync? |
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| 06:35.58 | lkthomas | does anyone know why I can't join domain from samba ? |
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| 06:37.48 | Sebboh | Hi. How can I test my hard drive for read/write errors that result in corrupt files? It could be bad ram, too... |
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| 06:37.59 | Sebboh | But I wanna test the hard drive first. |
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| 06:41.28 | ChristW | I'm having trouble booting the installer on an iMac G5 revC (built-in iSight camera). I get to the boot menu, but when running the kernel images, I am only greeted with a black screen. I also added 'video=ofonly' option, but that didn't seem to give any better results. Any ideas where I could start? |
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| 06:45.49 | solid_liquid | hey, I restored a mysql backup to a new debian mysql install, and the restore included the 'mysql' database. Now I have the problem that mysql admin can't do its job because it doesn't have the right password for its account. I modified the password for the account to one I know, but I don't know how the password is encoded in the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf file. Anyone know what the encoding is, and how I put the password in that encoding? |
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| 06:50.46 | bombshock | Hello. Would anyone would be able to tell me if there is a French Speech-to-Text application for linux? |
| 06:51.21 | solid_liquid | bombshock: you mean voice recognition? |
| 06:52.07 | quik__ | I'm running this command.. rsync -avt --progress `find /share/Storage/Movies/Films -name "*" -type f -mtime -30` /mnt/Movies/ |
| 06:52.16 | quik__ | but its not coping well with spaces in the filenames.. |
| 06:52.18 | bombshock | solid_liqui: no not recognition. Im looking for an application in which I would basicly be able to dictate a text and the application would write it down for me |
| 06:52.35 | solid_liquid | bombshock: that IS voice recognition |
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| 06:52.51 | solid_liquid | bombshock: and there's no good voice recognition software for English even |
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| 06:52.51 | solid_liquid | bombshock: and there's no good voice recognition software for English even |
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| 06:53.41 | bombshock | solid_liqui: ok tough voice recog was only to control basic commands... bah |
| 06:53.53 | solid_liquid | quik__: don't do that. read the rsync manual; you should never need to use the find command with rsync; it has everything you need builtin |
| 06:54.05 | solid_liquid | bombshock: nope. |
| 06:54.29 | quik__ | solid_liquid: I've read the manual, I can't find anything about ordering by date or even files within said period... |
| 06:54.39 | bombshock | solid_liqui: ok my bad |
| 06:56.22 | solid_liquid | quik__: oh I didn't even bother to read your find commands. If that's what you're doing, than you should use the find commands to create symlinks to the files you wish to rsync, then use rsync on those symlinks, and finally remove the symlinks. ln -s man ln if you're not familiar with symlinks |
| 06:56.53 | quik__ | solid_liquid: so to your knowledge, there is no way of doing this with rsync? |
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| 07:01.13 | solid_liquid | quik__: I just told you how to do it. That's EASY |
| 07:01.31 | quik__ | solid_liquid: find isn't escaping the spaces |
| 07:01.41 | quik__ | rsync seems to have trouble with spaces |
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| 07:02.37 | rebel_gui | im using esound for my audio server, i know with pulseaudio i can enter "killall pulseaudio" which will essentially just disconnect all processes from the audio server, how can i do this with Esound? |
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| 07:07.56 | stoned | probably /etc/init.d/esd stop ? |
| 07:07.57 | stoned | not sure |
| 07:10.38 | kash` | oh i am amazing |
| 07:10.59 | kash` | 3 hours, never used lvm /or/ AoE before, and i have a fully-ish netbooting system |
| 07:11.03 | kash` | :D |
| 07:11.21 | kash` | lotsa hax involved though, i wish there were more 'official' ways |
| 07:11.21 | kash` | lotsa hax involved though, i wish there were more 'official' ways |
| 07:11.41 | kickfilp | i remove my old nic and install a new one on the same pci slot and form some reasin at boot kernel says canot find eth0 on the system it was rth1 bur what happen whit eth0? |
| 07:11.53 | solid_liquid | quik__: why don't you stop being so stubborn and just create the intermediate symlinks as I suggested? |
| 07:12.07 | stoned | whoah |
| 07:12.18 | stoned | i just glanced over and thought you said lotsa sex involved |
| 07:12.22 | kickfilp | sorry eth1 |
| 07:12.24 | quik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.30 | quik__ | its untidy |
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| 07:12.50 | quik__ | I'd rather use something that wasn't rsync to be able to do it |
| 07:12.54 | stoned | man too much coding |
| 07:12.54 | stoned | man too much coding |
| 07:13.32 | quik__ | solid_liquid: I just checked out unison, it has a -sortnewfirst flag... |
| 07:14.09 | simplechat | hey, i'm trying to install memcachedb on an etch server, i have the .deb but thats for sid. Is there any way to get it to install cleanly? |
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| 07:24.58 | solid_liquid | quik__: what do you mean "untidy"? |
| 07:25.17 | solid_liquid | quik__: you create a temporary directory for the symlinks. you don't put them in the same directory lol |
| 07:25.27 | quik__ | solid_liquid: it creates a mass of symlinks on the filesystem |
| 07:25.36 | quik__ | because there is no way to order by date |
| 07:25.52 | solid_liquid | quik__: what does? |
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| 07:25.59 | solid_liquid | quik__: find orders by date, yes? |
| 07:26.42 | quik__ | solid_liquid: I'm no sure what your issue is, unison will do what I want with "unison -sortnewfirst" dir_a dir_b |
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| 07:27.44 | solid_liquid | quik__: you never said you wanted to do backups. you were only talking about using rsync. So I don't know what _your_ issue is, except that it sounds like you don't know how to program. |
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| 07:28.48 | quik__ | solid_liquid: you're being a troll |
| 07:28.58 | quik__ | but thanks for your help |
| 07:29.08 | phorce1 | so, switches ... 3 networks feeding a mass of mixed debian and win boxes. Since I've never actually attempted this I need to ask first to be sure my brain is functioning properly. Switches don't care what goes through them so I should be able to connect all 3 (different IP ranges) networks to a single switch and have access to all of them that way, correct? (so long as I make sure only one of them is offering dhcp leases) |
| 07:29.21 | funyun | noob here. is there a way to hide a directory? or password protect it so no one can get in or search through it? |
| 07:29.31 | solid_liquid | quik__: no, I was trying to help. Your response was the trollish one |
| 07:29.52 | quik__ | solid_liquid: Are you done now? :) |
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| 07:30.07 | quik__ | Like I said, thanks. I got a solution |
| 07:30.09 | solid_liquid | quik__: you: "help me, I don't know what I'm doing" <help offered> "shut up, I know what I'm doing" |
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| 07:31.06 | solid_liquid | funyun: hide: mv directoryname .directoryname |
| 07:31.14 | quik__ | solid_liquid: because _you_ offered a command, it doesn't mean that its A) elegant B) something that I'd be happy to type on a semi-regular basis (but not regular enough to make a script) |
| 07:31.26 | solid_liquid | funyun: "password protect" change the permissions so only your user account can access it |
| 07:31.34 | phorce1 | funyun: define "no one" |
| 07:31.42 | solid_liquid | quik__: C) something that you understand how to work with |
| 07:31.45 | quik__ | hence, your solution was "messy" |
| 07:31.52 | funyun | phorce1: root |
| 07:32.01 | solid_liquid | quik__: because if B is true, then you obviously don't know how to write a script |
| 07:32.12 | solid_liquid | quik__: hence, your usage is messy, not my solution |
| 07:32.17 | quik__ | solid_liquid: Don't take me for a clown, I wasn't aware that it could be done with rsync alone |
| 07:32.47 | solid_liquid | quik__: especially since there's absolutely nothing stoping you from putting the symlinks in a ramdisk, but of course, I'm sure you (in your infinite wisdom) never thought of such a thing |
| 07:32.58 | phorce1 | funyun: no, you can't keep files from root unless you create an encrypted filesystem within your home directory -- and that is beyond my scope of knowledge |
| 07:33.22 | funyun | phorce1: okay, thanks |
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| 07:33.42 | quik__ | solid_liquid: so my one command, 62 character (with paths) solution makes _me_ the stupid one? |
| 07:34.03 | solid_liquid | quik__: yes. My version of it is 0 commands to type. I wrote a script, and it's run by cron |
| 07:34.28 | solid_liquid | quik__: because I have the same type of thing happening automatically across several machines |
| 07:34.48 | quik__ | solid_liquid: sure, that works on systems that are powered all the time, not with removable storage |
| 07:34.59 | quik__ | which, sure; thats not your implementation |
| 07:35.01 | quik__ | it is mine |
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| 07:35.13 | quik__ | but go ahead with your assumtions |
| 07:35.19 | solid_liquid | quik__: uh, no, it works on a laptop too |
| 07:35.36 | solid_liquid | quik__: but you go ahead with your lack of knowledge of how to deal with such issues |
| 07:35.44 | solid_liquid | as if it's hard |
| 07:35.47 | lkthomas | does anyone try to join NT4 domain from samba server? I got problem with that |
| 07:35.55 | quik__ | solid_liquid: "removable storage" ! = "laptop", douchebag |
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| 07:37.10 | phorce1 | quik__: type "/ignore solid_liquid" ---- solid_liquid type "/ignore quik__" <---- problem solved |
| 07:37.12 | solid_liquid | quik__: doesn't matter, moron. there's no real difference between testing to see if a removable drive is mounted (and if it's a cd, testing its volume label) and testing to see if a desired target/source machine is available on the local network. douchebag |
| 07:37.25 | quik__ | phorce1: thats a command I can grok |
| 07:37.31 | solid_liquid | what an idiot |
| 07:37.47 | solid_liquid | quik__ will never know shit because he's too stupid to realize he doesn't know everything |
| 07:37.50 | solid_liquid | how nice |
| 07:37.54 | quik__ | I hope you're sweaty and upset by now. You're being pathetic |
| 07:38.09 | solid_liquid | *I* am? LOL |
| 07:38.41 | bolt-work | !lol |
| 07:38.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:38.43 | quik__ | solid_liquid: Okay, so with your testing for volume labels, cron and writing the script in the first place.. yours is still more elegant than "unison -sortnewfirst dir_a dir_b" |
| 07:38.48 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I have a weird issue, I can't mount one of my partition, I get the following http://pastebin.com/df95b738 |
| 07:38.52 | solid_liquid | bwahahahahah |
| 07:38.55 | quik__ | cool. |
| 07:39.09 | solid_liquid | quik__: considering I've not found unison to be reliable: yes |
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| 07:39.33 | bolt-work | ahh. i love the smell of flame war in the morning |
| 07:39.49 | bolt-work | reads up |
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| 07:41.38 | osFrenchDude | I also would like to size up my swap... |
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| 07:43.48 | bolt-work | quik__: tried just replacing every space in your find result with a backslash and a space? sed will do this |
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| 07:44.09 | bolt-work | apologies if i missed something. didn't read the entire conversation |
| 07:44.19 | osFrenchDude | I have 2G of ram and only one of swap, so I need to put it to 4...can I resize my swap, do I need the swap to be the n-1 or n+1 partition if my system is installed on the n partition ? |
| 07:44.39 | quik__ | bolt-work: I did consider something like that, but I delved into man pages for rsync and unison and found that unison did exactly what I wanted |
| 07:44.56 | quik__ | just a case of "what I found worked" |
| 07:45.02 | bolt-work | quik__: ah. that's good then :) |
| 07:45.17 | bolt-work | osFrenchDude: there's no rule saying you need twice the amount of swap that you have ram |
| 07:45.32 | quik__ | bolt-work: I think thats an old windows rule of thumb? |
| 07:46.04 | bolt-work | quik__: somesuch, yes. but windows does swap even when half the memory is free, because windows users love seeing all their unused memory |
| 07:46.04 | osFrenchDude | bolt-work: ok, but maybe 1G is not enough |
| 07:46.19 | quik__ | they certainly do |
| 07:46.46 | bolt-work | osFrenchDude: ever run out of memory? you can do quite a lot with 3 gigs worth. you don't want to be swapping anyway. it's just there to prevent things being killed in the event that you do run out of ram. if you start swapping, you'll notice |
| 07:46.46 | osFrenchDude | quik__: ok, but my main issue is more about my partition I can't mount |
| 07:47.14 | osFrenchDude | bolt-work: alright, I won't change that |
| 07:47.18 | lkthomas | guys |
| 07:47.29 | lkthomas | anyone have experience to use samba to join NT4 domain ? |
| 07:48.14 | bolt-work | osFrenchDude: to answer your other question, no. which partition you use is not important. you can use everything from a swapfile to an encrypted raid 0 (my choice :) |
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| 07:48.41 | bolt-work | osFrenchDude: you can also use several swap partitions/files/whatever at once |
| 07:48.55 | bolt-work | osFrenchDude: like, 1 gig of each harddrive, should you prefer to do so for some reason |
| 07:49.05 | osFrenchDude | bolt-work: so I can create later a swap file with no need to resize anything... |
| 07:49.12 | bolt-work | osFrenchDude: yes |
| 07:49.47 | osFrenchDude | bolt-work: great, what about my mount problem....do you have any ideas about that, please... |
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| 08:33.46 | fireba11 | E-bola: there are installer versions with newer kernels ... |
| 08:34.22 | Ace2016_- | is there a program which will kill programs taking up more than N amount of ram? |
| 08:34.36 | fireba11 | Ace2016_-: wth .. |
| 08:34.39 | E-bola | fireba11: where can i find them? |
| 08:34.46 | E-bola | been goggling for a couple of minutes without luck |
| 08:34.54 | Ace2016_- | fireba11: ?? |
| 08:35.17 | fireba11 | Ace2016_-: why the hell would you want to do that |
| 08:36.14 | Ace2016_- | fireba11: when the opera browser loads flash with opera plugin wrap it easily ends up doing 100% cpu and taking up so much ram that when i return to the system its desperately in need of some memory, so i would like something to kill any and all apps that would take up too much ram |
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| 08:37.23 | fireba11 | Ace2016_-: dispose of the obviously crappy opera flash wrapper? |
| 08:37.42 | Ace2016_- | no, i like opera its fast,, but buggy |
| 08:38.06 | fireba11 | Ace2016_-: most processes don't like being killed at all |
| 08:38.07 | Ace2016_- | i'll ask if opera can load plugins without the plugin wrapepr but i doubt it |
| 08:38.14 | fireba11 | Ace2016_-: also you might hit something you need |
| 08:38.49 | Ace2016_- | well i have a hotkey bound to killall -9 opera, if it freezes or the tabs don't respond its killed and restarted |
| 08:39.45 | Ace2016_- | ok well hopefully the app can allow me to set what apps its keeping an eye on |
| 08:41.31 | fireba11 | E-bola: tried the lenny RC1? |
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| 08:46.14 | outlaw84 | how do I add a package so that it does not get removed by 'apt-get autoremove'? |
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| 08:49.10 | fireba11 | pin it |
| 08:49.30 | outlaw84 | how? |
| 08:49.36 | fireba11 | aptitude |
| 08:49.38 | rvsjoen | or use aptitude and dont mark it as automatically installed |
| 08:50.10 | outlaw84 | I dont use aptitude only apt-* and dpkg :/ |
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| 08:52.27 | rvsjoen | try doing apt-get install on the already installed package (not sure if that would do the trick) |
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| 08:52.35 | alcohol | same thing pretty much, isn't it? |
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| 08:53.03 | Ace2016_- | outlaw84: run synaptic then in the package menu unselect automatically installed |
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| 08:54.36 | rvsjoen | would apt-get care about synaptics automatically installed tags ? |
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| 08:54.51 | rvsjoen | or are they the same |
| 08:55.27 | outlaw84 | rvsjoen: does A in aptitude mean that the current package has been autoisntalled? |
| 08:55.44 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 08:56.21 | outlaw84 | Then it worked :D |
| 08:56.30 | rvsjoen | :) |
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| 09:03.53 | amphi | !qotd0 |
| 09:03.54 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
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| 09:05.14 | SoulSeller | Ahh... invite. |
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| 09:07.35 | gynterk | Please ban, Ko{Rs}aN, advertises joiners with porn links in private |
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| 09:08.28 | dimir | !ops Ko{Rs}aN, advertises joiners with porn links in private |
| 09:08.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dimir complains about: Ko{Rs}aN, advertises joiners with porn links in private |
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| 09:09.07 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I have a weird issue, I can't mount one of my partition, I get the following http://pastebin.com/df95b738 |
| 09:09.12 | dimir | erifri: did you receive spam? |
| 09:09.32 | erifri | dimir: nope, just logged in |
| 09:09.38 | dimir | Hmmm |
| 09:09.57 | erifri | spam from whom? |
| 09:10.01 | dimir | Ko{Rs}aN: |
| 09:10.21 | erifri | nope, none for me. lets hope it stays that way |
| 09:10.26 | dimir | ye |
| 09:10.27 | dimir | :-) |
| 09:10.33 | SoulSeller | Ko{Rs}aN is the spammer... |
| 09:10.43 | dimir | SoulSeller: you received it? |
| 09:11.07 | SoulSeller | Yeah... porn website. |
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| 09:11.40 | dimir | osFrenchDude: run fsck /dev/sda6 |
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| 09:12.19 | chairmeleon | hi, any Debian/EEE users in here? |
| 09:12.40 | osFrenchDude | dimir: Resize inode not valid. Recreate<y>? yes ? |
| 09:13.30 | dimir | ye |
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| 09:14.40 | Maulkin | Apologies for the delay. /me rolls over and considers getting out of bed. |
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| 09:15.36 | dimir | hehe |
| 09:15.40 | dimir | morning Maulkin |
| 09:15.50 | osFrenchDude | dimir: it's asking thousands of questions...there a "answer the default" option ? |
| 09:16.07 | dimir | osFrenchDude: fsck -y /dev/sda6 |
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| 09:28.23 | osFrenchDude | dimir: how can that be such a mess on my partition ?? |
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| 09:29.47 | dimir | osFrenchDude: filesystem curruption, that could be anything: incorrect shutdown, disk getting old etc. |
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| 09:30.25 | osFrenchDude | dimir: ok, ok...I hope it's gonna work after that... |
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| 09:33.57 | osFrenchDude | dimir: there's a log of the fsck ? |
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| 09:41.30 | osFrenchDude | dimir: ok, problem seems to be fixed, thank you |
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| 09:42.37 | dimir | osFrenchDude: AFAIK there is no fsck log by default but you could for example redirect it's output to the log file. |
| 09:42.41 | dimir | osFrenchDude: no problemo. ;) |
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| 09:45.09 | osFrenchDude | dimir: if I may, I'd like to ask another question..I feel like my HD is always doing stuff (I can hear it) can I find what it's doing ? |
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| 09:46.00 | dimir | osFrenchDude: if the sound is funny, suspicious, like "click click", then it might be it is getting old and full of bad blocks. |
| 09:46.35 | osFrenchDude | dimir: no it's more like writting sound |
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| 09:50.49 | Shadowcat | how do you manually bring up a network interface in debian? |
| 09:51.13 | petemc | ifup ethN |
| 09:51.17 | dimir | osFrenchDude: iostat -d 1 |
| 09:51.31 | dimir | osFrenchDude: if you don't have iostat command you should install sysstat package. |
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| 09:51.55 | Shadowcat | hmm, syas interface already configured |
| 09:52.22 | avu | Shadowcat, then do ifdown first :) |
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| 09:53.32 | osFrenchDude | dimir: http://pastebin.com/d79496f8e |
| 09:54.08 | dimir | osFrenchDude: well, you see it for yourself, what is going on on which partition, don't you? :-) |
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| 09:54.50 | osFrenchDude | dimir: well, obviously the partition 4 is working...system partition by the way |
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| 09:55.37 | osFrenchDude | dimir: but what it's doing ..??!! |
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| 10:05.18 | trumpen | Does grub support booting from raid+lvm partitions? (I am currently on an Etch) |
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| 10:17.19 | SzArAk | trumpen: i've googled "grub lvm", first link, "GRUB has support for LVM and RAID since version 1.95" |
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| 10:18.06 | SzArAk | trumpen: http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID |
| 10:18.19 | bzed | trumpen: you don't want to put /boot on a LVM lv |
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| 10:18.39 | bzed | trumpen: in theory that works with grub, but the way grub finds the kernel is broken to 99.9% |
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| 10:20.29 | bzed | trumpen: booting from a mirror works well though, but booting from raid4/5/6 doesn't work |
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| 10:22.51 | trumpen | SzArAk, I have already read that, but 1.95 looks strange to me. In etch there is only grub 0.97. Perhaps it referes to grub2 (that is in lenny)? |
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| 10:24.04 | trumpen | bzed, thanks, I am interested in raid1 only. I'll try take /boot out of the raid |
| 10:24.05 | Shadowcat | how do you enable ip forwarding in debian? |
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| 10:24.33 | enouf | !ipmasq |
| 10:24.34 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 10:25.18 | Shadowcat | that's old :/ |
| 10:25.23 | Shadowcat | doesn't really apply to 2.6 kernels |
| 10:25.31 | solid_liq | !nat |
| 10:25.45 | bzed | trumpen: having /boot on raid1 should work well |
| 10:25.54 | enouf | bzed: not true with grub2, though i have nothing to back that up with, except the docd |
| 10:25.58 | petemc | Shadowcat: why doesnt it apply to 2.6 kernels? |
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| 10:26.00 | enouf | docs |
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| 10:26.18 | enouf | Shadowcat: take your meds ;-) |
| 10:26.30 | sfuentes | why do people use apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 10:26.41 | Shadowcat | because ipmasq is deprecated for one |
| 10:26.41 | enouf | sfuentes: why not? |
| 10:26.42 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 10:26.43 | solid_liq | sfuentes: habit? |
| 10:26.50 | Shadowcat | people use iptables nowadays |
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| 10:27.00 | enouf | ... |
| 10:27.01 | petemc | !why aptitude |
| 10:27.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 10:27.06 | petemc | Shadowcat: that uses iptables |
| 10:27.14 | mvt | he question, is there a rc.conf where i control which service to start at boot like in freebsd for debian? |
| 10:27.15 | enouf | !why apt-get |
| 10:27.19 | enouf | !why apt |
| 10:27.25 | enouf | o m g |
| 10:27.28 | sfuentes | enouf: cause aptitude is better! |
| 10:27.34 | et | sfuentes: i use aptitude mainly, but for stuff like apt-get build-dep there's no aptitude equivalence |
| 10:27.47 | enouf | !8ball don't taunt the happy fun ball |
| 10:27.47 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 10:27.51 | solid_liq | !why not |
| 10:28.04 | et | !why not aptitude |
| 10:28.05 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 10:28.05 | solid_liq | !8ball |
| 10:28.17 | enouf | sfuentes: see what 8ball said |
| 10:28.25 | rvsjoen | mvt : its all in the init scripts in /etc, you can use 'update-rc.d' to manage them |
| 10:28.36 | sfuentes | i see |
| 10:28.48 | sfuentes | thanks guys |
| 10:28.53 | enouf | hugs an extraneous et |
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| 10:29.31 | enouf | mvt: /msg dpkg rcconf |
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| 10:30.08 | solid_liq | enouf: <.< |
| 10:30.30 | enouf | solid_liq: /msg dpkg ifmsrp |
| 10:30.37 | enouf | er .. |
| 10:31.46 | sfuentes | is the idea for aptitude to eventually replace apt-get and similar tools? |
| 10:34.17 | mvt | rvsjoen: it seems 'update-rc.d' removes teh script completly, which i don't want |
| 10:34.26 | enouf | sfuentes: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 10:34.38 | rvsjoen | it doesnt, it only removes the symbolic links to the script in the runlevels you choose |
| 10:34.39 | enouf | see <reference> especially |
| 10:34.46 | rvsjoen | the scripts themselves are in /etc/init.d |
| 10:34.58 | enouf | mvt: try what i mentioned |
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| 10:35.37 | rvsjoen | yeah you should |
| 10:35.53 | mvt | enouf: ok that worked faster, thanks ;-) |
| 10:35.59 | enouf | update-rc.d is a PITA to use to manage scripts to enable/disable for certain specific runlevels |
| 10:36.22 | mvt | used to just edit /etc/rc.conf and comment the service out ;-) |
| 10:36.39 | enouf | but sysv-rc{-conf} is the more correct tool, IMHO |
| 10:36.57 | enouf | mvt: apt-cache show file-rc |
| 10:37.27 | mvt | ah nice |
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| 10:50.48 | kd8ikt | ugh oh |
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| 10:51.00 | kd8ikt | i'm getting /dev/null open errors |
| 10:51.06 | kd8ikt | permision denied |
| 10:51.34 | kd8ikt | like when i try to ssh or open another screen session |
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| 10:53.04 | petemc | kd8ikt: can you get access to the box to check the permissions? |
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| 10:54.02 | kd8ikt | i'm sshing in now |
| 10:54.18 | kd8ikt | i'm sort of always connected thank god |
| 10:54.33 | petemc | kd8ikt: so, what are the perms? |
| 10:54.51 | kd8ikt | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 394 2009-01-23 05:53 null |
| 10:55.13 | petemc | thats wrong, should be 666 |
| 10:56.00 | kd8ikt | cool that did the trick i wonder wehat changed its permissions |
| 10:56.29 | petemc | have you set anything to log to /dev/null ? |
| 10:56.45 | kd8ikt | not that i can remember |
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| 11:02.23 | enouf | kd8ikt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
| 11:02.29 | enouf | applicable? |
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| 11:05.32 | kd8ikt | dunno |
| 11:06.27 | avtobiff | how do i use xkbprint to print my current xkb? xkbprint $DISPLAY says that it cannot load geometry for :0.0, still i am on :0.0 and $DISPLAY has the same value... |
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| 11:08.38 | enouf | avtobiff: might need DisplaySize set in your xorg.conf? (just a guess) |
| 11:08.59 | avtobiff | DisplaySize? |
| 11:09.13 | enouf | see wiki.x.org |
| 11:09.15 | avtobiff | i have never seen this setting before and have got xkbprint to work. |
| 11:09.16 | avtobiff | ok |
| 11:09.19 | enouf | man xorg.conf |
| 11:09.44 | enouf | Lenny and newer xorg are autoconfig'd |
| 11:09.48 | avtobiff | the thing i want to figure out is what the AltGr key is called. it is not called <RALT> |
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| 11:10.26 | enouf | for an alternate Greek language :-P |
| 11:10.41 | avtobiff | enouf? |
| 11:11.03 | enouf | xmodmap -ppk or something might help |
| 11:11.12 | enouf | or showkey in console |
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| 11:13.59 | zash_ | i have apparently broken network-manager, dpkg-reconfigure says that it is broken or not fully installed and i can't reinstall |
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| 11:16.14 | zash_ | and before that nm changed my hostname and broke stuff |
| 11:17.48 | enouf | apt-get install -f ? |
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| 11:18.41 | zash_ | Errors were encountered while processing: network-manager |
| 11:18.44 | zash_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 11:19.19 | bolt-work | the error should be listed further up |
| 11:19.25 | enouf | indeed |
| 11:19.25 | bolt-work | you need the first one, not the resulting error code |
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| 11:19.41 | enouf | !pastebin |
| 11:19.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 11:19.55 | zash_ | http://p.zash.se/fiSIIQ.txt |
| 11:20.34 | mardi | debian rocks |
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| 11:21.30 | enouf | zash_: see #ubuntu |
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| 11:31.19 | Turmo`away | sup |
| 11:31.22 | Turmo`away | ganstas |
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| 11:32.21 | enouf | pops a cap into the `away |
| 11:32.30 | khaleel5000 | hello,i have installed debian lenny, back in etch, if i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it used to ask in detail to specify my video card memory, the monitor's horizontal and vertical range , its supported resolutions etc, now it doesnt how do i enable that feature? |
| 11:32.50 | alcohol | lenny is awesome |
| 11:32.54 | alcohol | it figures it out for you |
| 11:33.01 | enouf | khaleel5000: man xorg.conf and add the values yourself |
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| 11:33.18 | khaleel5000 | alcohol: yeah so awesom that it doesnt figure out 100% correctly |
| 11:33.26 | alcohol | shit pc then |
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| 11:34.10 | khaleel5000 | yeah real shitty dell e771p monitor, and x1650 pro agp, detected by ati control center, fucked by lenny |
| 11:34.11 | christ | Hi |
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| 11:34.37 | alcohol | khaleel5000: dell and shit belong together in the same sentence. |
| 11:34.42 | alcohol | khaleel5000: good job. |
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| 11:35.08 | christ | could somebody give a repo list for Etch? |
| 11:35.15 | alcohol | google can |
| 11:35.31 | christ | i know |
| 11:35.43 | khaleel5000 | !repository |
| 11:35.43 | dpkg | i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html Ask me about <list repositories>. |
| 11:35.45 | christ | but multimedia repo doesn't work |
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| 11:36.01 | enouf | khaleel5000: the monitor manual will have the values you need to add - also use cvt and gtf if you need mode lines -- try hwinfo --monitor and xrandr and xdpyinfo |
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| 11:37.51 | enouf | khaleel5000: i guess also man radeon for your ati card |
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| 11:40.55 | khaleel5000 | enouf: radeon...thanks, i switched from radeon to the ati propritory ,so far i find it better than radeon, (the problem of setting resolution was with radeon too ) |
| 11:42.19 | enouf | khaleel5000: if that card is an r5xx or so, it should be fully supported via the Xorg free 'radeon' driver AFAIK - but sure, fglrx is what some want/use |
| 11:44.46 | khaleel5000 | card is'supported' i m talkinh about general performance,i used radeon for over 6 months,just giving fglrx a try |
| 11:46.43 | enouf | sure - ati always maintained that fglrx will still have their bleeding-edge tech that they don't want made publically available, hence fglrx will always have slightly/generally better performance |
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| 11:47.38 | enouf | it's all a crock of shit as far as i'm concerned though |
| 11:47.55 | enouf | they can all suck my alcoholic ass, for all i care |
| 11:48.36 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 11:49.03 | jelly | :-( |
| 11:49.10 | enouf | i do applaud ati/amd for opening/releasing their driver specs though |
| 11:49.16 | enouf | as opposed to nvidia |
| 11:49.47 | enouf | </soapbox> |
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| 11:58.24 | FredZ | What would be the minimum size flash drive to install etch c/w X. I have attempted with 256Mb but it won't even partion (says to small) |
| 11:59.10 | enouf | see the ig for c/w X |
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| 12:03.52 | boulbul | hi, is there a log file for synaptic for installed and removed applications...thanks |
| 12:03.53 | boulbul | ? |
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| 12:05.36 | avtobiff | boulbul, /var/log/apt/term.log maybe? |
| 12:05.53 | petemc | or /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 12:06.25 | boulbul | petemc: thanks |
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| 12:09.05 | rosset | how to remove provider network from http://www.uceprotect.net/? |
| 12:11.09 | EmleyMoor | How is the problem affecting you? |
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| 12:12.43 | rosset | EmleyMoor, my provider is listed by range of IP's |
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| 12:13.03 | rosset | EmleyMoor, im client of provider, and this affect my network |
| 12:13.08 | joltcan | rosset: Then you have to notify your provider so that they can change their policies for smtp |
| 12:13.20 | joltcan | rosset: Nothing you can do, only upstream |
| 12:13.36 | rosset | lol |
| 12:13.37 | rosset | :) |
| 12:13.44 | rosset | thanks joltcan EmleyMoor |
| 12:13.46 | EmleyMoor | Tell your provider about it and how it affects you |
| 12:13.50 | rosset | fuck** provider |
| 12:13.50 | osFrenchDude | Hi, I just installed the openjdk-6-jre and iceweasel tells me there's no java runtime envt...what do I haveto do ? |
| 12:13.54 | rosset | hehe |
| 12:14.24 | EmleyMoor | I had trouble with an overzealous RBL once and ended up involving my provider |
| 12:14.28 | joltcan | rosset: send them the http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=4&s=0 page and tell them to go fsck themselfs :) |
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| 12:15.20 | osFrenchDude | this is the jdk..maybe |
| 12:15.43 | EmleyMoor | osFrenchDude: Which architecture are you on? |
| 12:16.04 | osFrenchDude | EmleyMoor: i386 -- debian lenny |
| 12:16.38 | EmleyMoor | You'll need a Java plugin for iceweasel to be able to use it |
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| 12:17.26 | EmleyMoor | There's icedtea and possibly others - and in non-free, Sun's jre and plugin |
| 12:17.46 | osFrenchDude | EmleyMoor: maybe I should install the sun one... |
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| 12:18.15 | enouf | osFrenchDude: try 'update-java-alternatives' perhaps |
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| 12:23.50 | vinilios | any recommended way to fresh install 64bit lenny with xen |
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| 12:24.59 | petemc | vinilios: install lenny with a xen kernel, thats it |
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| 12:26.08 | enouf | er.. lenny has no xen dom0 support - or has that been recently implemented/updated? |
| 12:26.47 | petemc | sure it does, has done for a while |
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| 12:29.17 | enouf | perhaps i'm thinking (also) of 32bit/64bit support for dom0/domU .. but AFAIU, the real issue was in kernel code (new) vs external code (older, etch .18) |
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| 12:36.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.03 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 12:42.03 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? |
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| 12:49.54 | kombi | mdadm --manage --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 tells me device is busy, what do I do? |
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| 12:51.05 | osFrenchDude | Hi, for 3 or 4 days now my hard drive sounds like it's continuously writting, how could I see what it's doing and intercept what it's doing... |
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| 12:52.07 | petemc | osFrenchDude: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
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| 12:52.14 | petemc | tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
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| 12:53.52 | osFrenchDude | petemc: http://pastebin.com/d7448cd58 |
| 12:53.53 | enouf | osFrenchDude: cron.daily? |
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| 12:55.25 | osFrenchDude | enouf: ?? |
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| 12:56.43 | julian__ | can anyone reccommend an open-source VoIP solution for Debian that supports cell calls in the Eurozone? |
| 12:56.48 | enouf | osFrenchDude: do you mean 3-4days continuous == 72-96 hours non-stop? ..or at certain times of day only? |
| 12:57.17 | amitz | I have "bzip2: Data integrity error when decompression." when executing apt-get update on apt-cacher-ng. Where can I find that bzip file? Doing "find -name '*bzip2'" on apt-cacher-ng archive can't find anything |
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| 12:57.26 | amitz | debian lenny |
| 12:57.44 | osFrenchDude | enouf: yeah I mean continuous...asa my computer is on, this writting thing starts |
| 12:58.00 | EmleyMoor | bz2 is the extension |
| 12:58.06 | petemc | osFrenchDude: did you look at the log ? |
| 12:58.13 | amitz | EmleyMoor: ah, thx |
| 12:58.23 | osFrenchDude | petemc: which log ? |
| 12:58.28 | enouf | amitz: use bz2 |
| 12:58.35 | kombi | with mdadm, how do I set a disk un-faulty? |
| 12:58.38 | enouf | oh |
| 12:58.41 | petemc | osFrenchDude: /var/log/debug |
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| 12:59.07 | enouf | osFrenchDude: is that a laptop? |
| 12:59.22 | osFrenchDude | enouf: yes |
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| 13:00.16 | osFrenchDude | petemc: http://pastebin.com/d1f1c8ae0 |
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| 13:00.30 | petemc | osFrenchDude: i asked did YOU look at it |
| 13:00.36 | petemc | it should be clear enough to read |
| 13:01.12 | petemc | osFrenchDude: tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
| 13:01.13 | osFrenchDude | petemc: ok, yes I read it... |
| 13:01.37 | petemc | also remember to turn off that logging with echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 13:01.50 | osFrenchDude | petemc: yeah and obviously I have some trouble with some dirtied inode, which I don't know |
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| 13:11.47 | jelly | osFrenchDude: uh, the process "mythbackend", pid 3411, is writing to its log file. |
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| 13:13.20 | enouf | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/17878 sound familiar osFrenchDude ? |
| 13:13.22 | jelly | osFrenchDude: so find it, see what the latest entries in that log file look like, and fix the issue or kill that process/ stop that service if you don't need it |
| 13:13.55 | enouf | beauty - crappy software |
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| 13:15.49 | osFrenchDude | enouf: in my case it's continuous....not even every x secs |
| 13:16.02 | osFrenchDude | jelly: I'll find that log |
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| 13:16.34 | nkuttler | hm, will ifup run scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ if i use the ppp method? |
| 13:16.47 | jelly | osFrenchDude: bet you it's in /var/log |
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| 13:17.21 | osFrenchDude | jelly: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| 13:17.40 | jelly | \o/ |
| 13:18.04 | osFrenchDude | jelly: what is surprising is, this is part of mythtv...and it does not even run right now..!! |
| 13:19.24 | osFrenchDude | jelly: magical, I killed the thing and it stopped writting...! |
| 13:19.48 | enouf | sticks out his backend .. in display of disgust :-P |
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| 13:24.23 | jelly | Victoire! |
| 13:24.26 | enouf | !moon |
| 13:24.27 | dpkg | ( * ), or http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/ |
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| 13:27.35 | liable | hehe |
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| 13:28.41 | Misterjos | Hey, i have a folder with 150+ rar files, i want to extract them all at once, but that doesn't seem to work with the gnome-archiver, what solution do you guys recommend? |
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| 13:30.21 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I install a certain package from unstable on a stable system? |
| 13:32.19 | enouf | mostly no |
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| 13:32.25 | enouf | see backports.org |
| 13:33.14 | enouf | cd rardir/ ; for i in * ; do unrar -<some-option> $i ; done |
| 13:33.52 | arice | is there a guide somewhere to show how to install gfx drivers in debian? my ptograms doesnt run anymore cuz of something wrong in open gl |
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| 13:35.50 | lazarus477 | I am on Lenny 64 bit running as dom0. Have a networking issue with hotplug (beleive is the right term)... |
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| 13:36.34 | lazarus477 | My problem is. If I bootup without the network cable connected and later plug it in I receive DHCP assigned addresses, all well but cannot access any LAN or WAN hosts... |
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| 13:37.01 | lazarus477 | Looks like a routing issue, I tried setting a route manually which gave me WAN access... I am a route noob. |
| 13:37.44 | enouf | allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces, but xen and virtual NICs i know not about |
| 13:37.49 | lazarus477 | I ran a typical install choosing DHCP for networking and later configuring Xen to use the network-bridge script. |
| 13:38.11 | lazarus477 | Aha, shall check. |
| 13:38.53 | lazarus477 | yep it is set to allow hotplug on eth0 which is the bridged interface |
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| 13:41.35 | enouf | try "ifup eth0" .. and check your br0 settings? no idea about xen, as i mentioned though -- /msg dpkg xen (is all i got) |
| 13:42.21 | [Jasper] | ok, there is no backport for asterisk...how can I install newer version from unstable onto stable then? |
| 13:42.26 | ethanol | is it just me, or is #freenode/#defocus staff a collection of indifferent assholes? |
| 13:42.28 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:42.49 | lazarus477 | I shall take it under consideration :-) |
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| 13:44.49 | enouf | [Jasper]: probably not easily, might consider upgrading to lenny - then backport a version from sid - /msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:46.04 | enouf | judd: depends asterisk unstable |
| 13:46.05 | judd | enouf: (depends ) -- Show Depends: of a given package. Usage: "depends packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 13:46.22 | stew | judd: depends asterisk --release sid |
| 13:46.23 | judd | stew: asterisk -- Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.16), libc-client2007b, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcap2 (>= 2.11), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.12), libiksemel3, libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libnewt0.52, libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), libpq5 (>= 8.3~beta1), libpri1.0 (>= 1.4), libradiusclient-ng2, libsnmp15 (>= 5.4.1~dfsg), libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1), libspeexdsp1 (>= (1 more message) |
| 13:46.38 | enouf | bah stew ;-) judd: depends asterisk --release unstable |
| 13:46.49 | [Jasper] | !tell [Jasper] about etchnhalf |
| 13:47.02 | stew | enouf: that works too |
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| 13:47.21 | enouf | stew: aye - but you type too fast for me :-P |
| 13:47.55 | stew | enouf: there is an excellent typing tutor i've been using for the last 6-7 years |
| 13:48.00 | stew | enouf: its called #debian :P |
| 13:48.03 | lazarus477 | enouf, I think I found the solution on googling, need to digest it though. |
| 13:48.09 | jelly | stew: can you make "--arch" and "--release"? I think "depends foo sid" or "depends foo i386" is quite reasonable |
| 13:48.11 | enouf | stew: good to know though, both name and releasename work ;-) |
| 13:48.17 | enouf | haha |
| 13:48.18 | lazarus477 | has to do with manually setting the network bridge config. |
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| 13:48.47 | jelly | stew: make _optional_; sorry |
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| 13:48.59 | stew | jelly: hmm, that should work |
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| 13:49.07 | enouf | lazarus477: cool |
| 13:49.15 | stew | though i guess i'd have to ditch getopt |
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| 13:49.41 | stew | oh, i'm not using getopt |
| 13:49.56 | jelly | is allergic to --long_options |
| 13:50.19 | enouf | gezundheit |
| 13:50.34 | cjae | ok how stable is lenny, I have debian set up as a desktop box and would like to switch out kde3.5 for 4.2 is this possible? and would I be better using lenny? |
| 13:50.42 | jelly | !kde4 |
| 13:50.42 | dpkg | kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. (For lenny backports, see http://kde4.debian.net/) See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ <Experimental> packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 13:51.10 | enouf | didn't even get to the 1st keypress on that one |
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| 13:51.54 | jelly | cjae: eh, I guess that answers your question -- you'll need lenny for 4.2 anyway, but only kde guys know when it's going to be available (and even then, it won't be supported) |
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| 13:52.30 | cjae | is anyone here using lenny |
| 13:52.42 | EmleyMoor | uses enny |
| 13:52.44 | EmleyMoor | lenny |
| 13:53.02 | cjae | stable enough for a typical desktop system |
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| 13:53.38 | enouf | [Jasper]: asterisk in unstable/sid requires atleast a lenny libc6 .. so you'll be hard pressed to even attempt that version on 'stable', do; /msg dpkg libc6 |
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| 13:54.40 | EmleyMoor | All I will say about lenny is that it's looking good |
| 13:54.43 | enouf | cjae: sure - but get familiar with lenny; /msg dpkg lenny release notes ; /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:55.08 | enouf | dpkg: lrn is <reply> see lenny release notes |
| 13:55.08 | dpkg | ...but lrn is already something else... |
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| 13:55.13 | enouf | gah |
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| 13:55.47 | EmleyMoor | !lrn |
| 13:55.47 | dpkg | i guess lrn is linux.ru.net ;) |
| 13:55.59 | EmleyMoor | Oh right! |
| 13:56.09 | amitz | I'm frustrated. The apt-cacher-ng from lenny and sid often has gpg error after apt-get update. Doing apt-get update without apt-cacher-ng leads to no problem. Any tips? |
| 13:56.12 | enouf | suffers from jelly allergies when it comes to <long_factoid_name> |
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| 13:56.22 | d-b | amitz: ah gpg error ? |
| 13:56.28 | d-b | you mean md5sum mismatch i hope ... |
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| 13:56.54 | amitz | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 13:57.55 | arice | how do i empty trash folder in debian please? |
| 13:58.36 | cjae | well I am trying to make the switch from ubuntu cause they are changing things way to much, and I am willing to say that if I use I will probably be better off even if its not quite ready |
| 13:58.46 | enouf | deltree C:\* :-O |
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| 13:59.18 | EmleyMoor | Put it this way, at this stage I would tend to use lenny for new setups |
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| 14:01.04 | EmleyMoor | arice: What is this trash folder part of? |
| 14:01.09 | arice | enouf: is that a command for empty the trash folder? it sounds more like deleting everything |
| 14:01.36 | arice | i just want to empty the folder, it seems my server hdd is full |
| 14:01.42 | EmleyMoor | Where are you seeing a trash folder? |
| 14:01.59 | EmleyMoor | (are you assuming there is one?) |
| 14:02.01 | arice | i dont see any but im just guessing its not deleting the trash automaticly |
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| 14:02.22 | EmleyMoor | There probably isn't one |
| 14:02.30 | cjae | so I can compile kde 4.2 for lenny? or my other option is to do it for kubuntu 8.x but they are updating and changing stuff so much I think compiling a window manager would be destructive to the system over time |
| 14:02.48 | arice | so if i remove stuff to trash, then they are just gone? |
| 14:02.52 | EmleyMoor | What does df -k show? (pastebin it if you need to - don't paste in the channel) |
| 14:03.01 | EmleyMoor | arice: What trash? |
| 14:03.21 | EmleyMoor | !pastebin |
| 14:03.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:03.37 | arice | from the harddrive, for example if i delete a folder with files, they first go to some kind a trash folder right? as its for windows |
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| 14:03.55 | EmleyMoor | arice: In general, wrong |
| 14:03.55 | cjae | I is less than two lines on my system |
| 14:03.58 | cjae | it |
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| 14:04.22 | EmleyMoor | It may be possible to undelete some if quick |
| 14:04.30 | arice | EmleyMoor: so if i remove 200mb data, it shuld save harddrive space directly? |
| 14:04.52 | EmleyMoor | arice: In general yes. How are you removing? |
| 14:05.07 | cjae | think <dpkg> message is bigger than two lines as well |
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| 14:05.08 | jelly | arice: pastebin the output of df -h. Which partitions are filled up? |
| 14:05.25 | arice | i have "utorrent program" and i just use the option: remove booth torrent and data |
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| 14:05.57 | EmleyMoor | arice: That only touches its own stuff |
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| 14:06.06 | stew | judd: depends asterisk unstable |
| 14:06.06 | judd | stew: asterisk -- Depends: asterisk-classic (>= 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4) | asterisk-bristuff (>= 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4), adduser (>= 3.63) |
| 14:06.18 | EmleyMoor | Seeing df -h output might help us to help you |
| 14:06.26 | arice | ok i will check |
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| 14:06.35 | stew | jelly: ^^^ |
| 14:06.54 | jelly | !win stew |
| 14:06.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 14:07.41 | arice | EmleyMoor: http://paste.debian.net/26699/ |
| 14:07.45 | jelly | judd: versions djbdns sid |
| 14:07.46 | judd | jelly: djbdns -- etch-backports: 1:1.05-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 1:1.05-4 sid: 1:1.05-4 |
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| 14:07.53 | arice | i see its kinda full |
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| 14:08.12 | jelly | judd: depends djbdns sid |
| 14:08.24 | EmleyMoor | 16G free |
| 14:08.24 | enouf | arice: yes, twas a joke - and sorry for the wait, was on the phone - and no, do not do what i wrote, and i'm not sure where/which "trash" you mean, nor do i know where it is |
| 14:08.39 | jelly | judd: depends djbdns unstable |
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| 14:08.47 | jelly | judd: you |
| 14:08.47 | stew | hrm |
| 14:08.48 | judd | jelly: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
| 14:09.01 | jelly | (it's in main) |
| 14:09.17 | stew | judd: depends djbdns --release unstable |
| 14:09.18 | judd | stew: djbdns -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 14:09.28 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 14:09.28 | dpkg | i heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 14:09.31 | stew | working on it... |
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| 14:09.55 | EmleyMoor | arice: It could be a side effect of you having one big partition... you are hitting the reserved space |
| 14:10.35 | arice | ye i see, thanx for help |
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| 14:10.45 | EmleyMoor | In any case it loks fairly full |
| 14:10.49 | EmleyMoor | looks |
| 14:11.10 | jelly | is there to list all ftbfs bugs that ftbfs on a specific arch? |
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| 14:13.17 | jelly | 's irc client is dropping words today. |
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| 14:13.43 | enouf | heh s/irc client/brain |
| 14:14.03 | stew | judd: depends djbdns unstable |
| 14:14.03 | judd | stew: djbdns -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
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| 14:17.51 | sphenxes | I have installed ding (dictionary En-gr). It was working several weeks ago. i have reinstalled Etch and ding does't work anymore. what does Ding needs to be installed correctly? |
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| 14:19.21 | enouf | sphenxes: did you maybe keep a separate /home partition? |
| 14:19.33 | enouf | some older dotfiles getting in the way? |
| 14:19.38 | sphenxes | enouf, yes |
| 14:19.52 | enouf | !dotfiles |
| 14:19.52 | dpkg | from memory, dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/ Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in. Ask me about <bash login scripts>. |
| 14:20.00 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks |
| 14:20.56 | enouf | sphenxes: try creating a new system user, and make sure to add them to all your orig user groups, try ding when logged in as that user ... if ok, it's something in your dotfiles - maybe even gnome related |
| 14:21.55 | sphenxes | enouf, thanks, i am looking at the dotfiles. i will delete all old .dotfile. |
| 14:21.58 | enouf | s/gnome/gnome, kde, xfce4, whatever/ |
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| 14:22.21 | enouf | sphenxes: could cp them somewhere safe, but out of /home for time being |
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| 14:33.19 | apol | how can I reinstall a debian package (without removing ir first) |
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| 14:34.08 | hoxu | apol, aptitude reinstall |
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| 14:34.50 | apol | hoxu: -.- thanks |
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| 14:42.07 | asmarin | lenny is now stable? or continues freeze? |
| 14:42.22 | alcohol | pretty much the same |
| 14:42.26 | alcohol | I imagine |
| 14:42.49 | raz0 | not stable yet |
| 14:43.08 | alcohol | never crashed on me, so I call it stable |
| 14:43.08 | alcohol | :> |
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| 14:43.26 | asmarin | yesterday apt-get on lenny machines show me a md5 error |
| 14:43.32 | asmarin | i solve making apt-get update x 2 |
| 14:43.40 | asmarin | is it normal? |
| 14:43.50 | asmarin | or perhaps a security flaw appears? |
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| 14:44.35 | iudicium | did the update touch the same mirrors? |
| 14:44.42 | raz0 | asmarin, still almost 800 release critical bugs |
| 14:44.46 | asmarin | iudicium: yes |
| 14:44.47 | asmarin | same |
| 14:44.53 | asmarin | 800! :-O |
| 14:44.57 | asmarin | WTF! |
| 14:45.22 | iudicium | prolly just a small rsync issue during the time you tried apt-get but was corrected the second time around -- nothing to worry about |
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| 14:46.22 | abrotman | asmarin: which mirror? |
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| 14:47.01 | asmarin | abrotman: i dont remember :-S |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:47.12 | asmarin | arrghhh i dont wrote on twitter |
| 14:47.20 | asmarin | ahhh mirror |
| 14:47.22 | asmarin | debian.org |
| 14:47.26 | asmarin | the principal |
| 14:47.30 | asmarin | i dont use mirror :-P |
| 14:47.34 | abrotman | you should |
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| 14:47.42 | abrotman | and technically, that is a mirror |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | use a mirror in spain .. |
| 14:48.09 | asmarin | abrotman: i know i know...makes a dns rr and jump to a correct server |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | asmarin: really .. use a mirror in spain .. i rarely use any of the *.debian.org mirrors |
| 14:48.38 | narhen | Can someone help me? I can't get the sound to work. Last night the sound was working without problems, but when I turned on my PC one our ago, the sound was not working. |
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| 14:50.02 | narhen | I have installed the driver again, but without results. (http://tinyurl.com/b9gm5p) |
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| 14:52.57 | sphenxes | dpkg bash login scripts |
| 14:52.58 | dpkg | [bash login scripts] piranha recommends: putting things like aliases and functions in "/etc/bash.bashrc" and "~/.bashrc", and putting things you only want executed on login in "/etc/profile" and "~/.bash_profile". Add "source /etc/bash.bashrc" to "~/.bash_profile", followed by "if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then source ~/.bashrc; fi". This ensures interactive login shells will execute "~/.bashrc" and "/etc/bash.bashrc". |
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| 14:58.29 | ronr | does anyone knows a good search engine / spider for websites (to create in-site searching) that has some interface I can use from php and gives results either in php objects or xml? |
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| 14:59.35 | ^shark_ | is there anyone familiar with otrs2 the open source ticketing systems |
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| 15:00.17 | ^shark_ | i would like to configure the application to send emails to agents whenever any other use creates a ticket |
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| 15:02.40 | iudicium | ^shark_: did you see the manuals? http://www.otrs.com/en/download/manuals/ |
| 15:03.18 | alexandro | offtopic: but would anyone know any "value for money" VPS servers available in the US? (doesnt matter if west or east coast) - many focusing on very high bandwidth allowances per month (burstable but not constantly maxing out) and doesnt need alot of cpu/mem/hdd power either |
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| 15:03.51 | ^shark_ | iudicium: yeah, tried to dig in for postfix sending out emails but got no success |
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| 15:04.41 | sander__ | Anyone have an example of how to use postgis? |
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| 15:10.28 | iudicium | ^shark_: does your set-up send/recieve email already ? |
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| 15:13.34 | Jorophose | How can I configure X.org to let me have 16-bit colours? My xorg.conf is populated with "generic" stuff, and I don't know how to fill up a section... |
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| 15:15.01 | Eulex | Jorophose, man xorg.conf |
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| 15:15.33 | maligor | Jorophose, what you want is DefaultDepth 16 |
| 15:16.02 | iudicium | in the Section "Screen" |
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| 15:17.35 | ^shark_ | iudicium:no |
| 15:17.47 | ^shark_ | iudicium: i do not have postfix either |
| 15:18.10 | iudicium | But you installed the Debian pkg or from source ? |
| 15:19.15 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 15:20.11 | iudicium | :P |
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| 15:20.31 | Jorophose | how would I configure the "screen" section though? and do the other sections have to be configured, or can they keep what's currently there? (it's all one-liners...) |
| 15:20.37 | iudicium | do youi have an MTA installed? |
| 15:20.46 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.00 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.20 | iudicium | well, you need an MTA first then try the otrs2 installation |
| 15:21.41 | iudicium | ^shark_: OK, the default Exim setup wont send e-mail |
| 15:21.52 | iudicium | you need Exim heavy or some such |
| 15:22.00 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.15 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.55 | iudicium | Um, there are a lot of book about MTAs -- each has its strengths and weaknesses but those are all off topic sort of |
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| 15:24.18 | iudicium | the otrs2 faw says configuration is detected and automatic, but you read the manuals and faq already so I have no idea |
| 15:24.24 | iudicium | s/faw/faq/ |
| 15:24.24 | ronr | I got a file with only numbers in it (one number per line), I need to somehow get the sum of all these numbers, what command(s) would be helpful? |
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| 15:25.04 | toolz | how do I install rar archiver |
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| 15:25.30 | iudicium | also look at with the TicketResponsible and TicketWatcher features OK? |
| 15:25.31 | toolz | apt-get install unrar or rar doesnt seem to work |
| 15:25.58 | iudicium | apt-cache search rar |
| 15:26.01 | iudicium | ??? |
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| 15:26.04 | stew | ronr: awk '{sum=sum+$1} END {print sum}' |
| 15:26.32 | Jorophose | Option"Depth 24" would I add that to the screen section? |
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| 15:26.49 | ronr | stew: thx! |
| 15:27.11 | Jorophose | or do I do Option "DefaultDepth 16" ? (sorry, I just copy+pasted from a guide... 16 is the goal.) |
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| 15:28.11 | Jorophose | there's also this: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_and_configure_xorg#Display_Size.2FDPI does it apply to debian too? |
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| 15:36.31 | monkey_d_luffy | How do I control the way http URIs are handled? Some applications open it in Opera (which is what I want), other open in konqueror, other don't open nothing.... I'm using KDE if that matters. |
| 15:37.58 | valdyn | monkey_d_luffy: kde has a setting for this, but so do different desktop environments or applications |
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| 15:38.17 | valdyn | monkey_d_luffy: so step by step, which app is wrong |
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| 15:39.18 | cpuinfo | Hi; are there people with deep understanding of /proc/cpuinfo and hyperthreading? I need help decyphering the file |
| 15:39.33 | valdyn | !tell cpuinfo -about ask |
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| 15:39.44 | craigevil | monkey_d_luffy: set it in Kcontrol and if that doesn't work do update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 15:41.36 | SkyLeach | hey all |
| 15:41.46 | SkyLeach | what does etch-m68k mean on the debian apt mirrors? |
| 15:41.58 | cpuinfo | My /proc/cpuinfo seems to suggest I have 4 virtual processors; 2 physical ones; 2 cores per physical processor; but I also see "ht" in flags. Shouldn't ht lead to 8 virtual processors? |
| 15:42.11 | stew | SkyLeach: m68k is the processor found in old macs (before G3/G4) |
| 15:42.26 | SkyLeach | ty |
| 15:43.02 | valdyn | cpuinfo: i wonder how I am supposed to show where you are wrong without you telling me what you are drawing those conclusions from |
| 15:43.33 | cpuinfo | valdyn: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Understanding_proc_cpuinfo.html (why are you assuming I'm wrong?) |
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| 15:44.29 | valdyn | cpuinfo: that link doesnt help this |
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| 15:45.25 | valdyn | Last modified: 2007/12/20 |
| 15:45.40 | cpuinfo | Is there a forum specifically about hardware/CPUs etc? I understand my Q is not really Debian-specific |
| 15:46.17 | Raven737 | hi.. i have a problem, i want to get rid of a half installed package, so i do dpkg purge on it. but that just hangs on 'purging configuration files of xxx' |
| 15:46.45 | valdyn | Raven737: remove the postrm script and clean up mually |
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| 15:46.56 | valdyn | Raven737: remove the postrm script and clean up *manually* |
| 15:47.24 | Raven737 | valdyn: thanks, should have though of that before ;) |
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| 15:47.35 | stew | Raven737: or run "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm purge" and figure out where it is going wrong |
| 15:47.45 | stew | Raven737: and perhaps file a bug |
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| 15:53.41 | Trewas | cpuinfo: ht in cpu flags seems to be something other than hyperthreading, my c2d shows that flag too and there is no hyperthreading |
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| 15:55.20 | cpuinfo | Trewas: that would explain it. thanks |
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| 15:55.43 | Trewas | cpuinfo: except that it really means hyperthreading, I wonder why c2d reports it as it certainly does not support pentium4-style hyperthreading |
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| 15:56.32 | alcohol | I want to add my windows install to /boot/grub/menu.lst, but how do I figure out what the root is? I know it is on /windows (/dev/sda1) but how do I figure out what hd0,x value that is? |
| 15:56.32 | cpuinfo | Trewas: mine's not c2d. here's my cpuinfo: http://paste.linuxassist.net/202252 |
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| 15:57.50 | Trewas | cpuinfo: apparently ht is reported for all multi-core cpus (http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/18/289) |
| 15:58.48 | cpuinfo | Trewas: thanks |
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| 16:04.26 | linux_stu | i can't figure out why all my task lists aren't being displayed in evolutions "task" window. does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:05.22 | alexandro | linux_stu: your root? permissions? |
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| 16:05.46 | Doonz | hey how do i see what version of debian is installe don a system |
| 16:06.55 | linux_stu | alexandro, i am running evolution in gnome, so i assume it's as my user. i created the task list logged in the same way. i wouldn't think it would have anything to do with permissions. i have created and displayed several new calendars, so i don't see why a task list is much different |
| 16:07.11 | valdyn | alexandro: hd0 correspeonds to sda, hd0,0 is the first partition on hd0 |
| 16:07.38 | valdyn | oo |
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| 16:11.27 | debian_noob | how to edit the startup programs? |
| 16:11.52 | stew | Doonz: try "lsb_release -a". if that doesn't work check /etc/debian_version |
| 16:12.24 | stew | debian_noob: update-rc.d is a cli that gives you full control. rcconf is a ncurses interface that just gives you checkboxes for 'on' or 'off' |
| 16:12.56 | debian_noob | can anybody tell me the name of the file which contains startup items |
| 16:13.10 | stew | debian_noob: which startup items are you talking about? |
| 16:13.39 | Doonz | stew: it says 4.0 when doing the cat command |
| 16:13.40 | debian_noob | any |
| 16:14.01 | stew | Doonz: that is the current stable release, codenamed 'etch' |
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| 16:14.18 | stew | debian_noob: /etc/init.d/* /etc/rc*.d/* /etc/inittab |
| 16:15.05 | stew | debian_noob: if you want to change which ones are starting automatically, have a look at rcconf and update-rc.d |
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| 16:16.24 | debian_noob | stew:i want to add compiz --replace and avant-window navigator to the startup |
| 16:16.41 | Doonz | ok thanx |
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| 16:17.01 | stew | debian_noob: do you login to a graphical login manager? |
| 16:17.10 | debian_noob | yes |
| 16:17.19 | stew | debian_noob: do you know which one? gdm? |
| 16:17.25 | debian_noob | gdm is it |
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| 16:18.58 | stew | debian_noob: which session type are you choosing when you login? |
| 16:19.04 | debian_noob | GNOME |
| 16:19.06 | stew | debian_noob: is compiz an option? |
| 16:19.21 | debian_noob | stew:no |
| 16:20.06 | stew | debian_noob: does ~/.xsession exist? |
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| 16:20.23 | debian_noob | stew:how do i know? |
| 16:20.29 | stew | i don't know if gdm uses that file or not when logging into a gnome session |
| 16:20.46 | stew | debian_noob: ls ~/.xsession |
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| 16:21.42 | debian_noob | no |
| 16:21.46 | stew | i'd guess gnome has its own way of specifying which programs should be run at login time |
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| 16:22.02 | debian_noob | stewi think so |
| 16:22.14 | hanibana | hi all :) |
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| 16:23.12 | theholyduck | stew, its under system, preferences, sessions |
| 16:23.13 | theholyduck | or something |
| 16:23.20 | theholyduck | AGEESS since i used gnome |
| 16:23.22 | theholyduck | but i think thats it |
| 16:23.41 | hanibana | I've installed Debian Lenny on my Sony VAIO CS notebook. I can adjust its LCD brightness by its key or spicctl utiltiy.... |
| 16:23.56 | hanibana | sorry... I can NOT adjust .... |
| 16:24.12 | debian_noob | stew:any idea? |
| 16:24.29 | hanibana | any clue or idea...? |
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| 16:25.40 | sladi | debian_noob: have you looked into gconf for autostart? |
| 16:25.58 | debian_noob | no |
| 16:26.06 | debian_noob | howto? |
| 16:26.10 | debian_noob | i am a noob |
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| 16:26.49 | SM2k | using dpkg/apt etc, is there a way to know what package provides a specific file? |
| 16:27.08 | Vyrus001 | if i want to convert my system from 32 bit to 64 bit is there more involved than just switching kernels? |
| 16:27.13 | SM2k | also, is there a way to know the history of what I've installed? like a rollback list? |
| 16:27.20 | abrotman | Vyrus001: do you want 64bit userland too ? |
| 16:27.26 | Vyrus001 | yes |
| 16:27.28 | sladi | debian_noob: sorry, I just use no login manager bacause of this :) |
| 16:27.29 | abrotman | reinstall |
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| 16:27.42 | Vyrus001 | abrotman: no other option? |
| 16:27.49 | SM2k | Vyrus001, that's almost always harder than it sounds |
| 16:28.00 | debian_noob | sladi:you mean i cant do that with the gdm being there? |
| 16:28.06 | Vyrus001 | SM2k: id rly rather not re install |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | Vyrus001: not that are easier |
| 16:28.35 | sladi | debian_noob: KDM might work? I'm talking just about autostarting apps, I just connected :) |
| 16:28.50 | sminter | short of dd'ing it to a block device and then dding back into an image one partition at a time, does anyone know a good way of flatatning a partitioned disk image. I have a raw image file which consists of a boot, swap, and a physical logical volume. I'd like to at the last split that LVM physical volume off or idealy the LV's of that volume. Any program ideas / pointers would be greatly appreciated. |
| 16:29.02 | debian_noob | sladi:kdm=? |
| 16:29.05 | SM2k | Vyrus001, oh I hear you. but you should ask yourself what it is you're trying to accomplish. there's not actually a heck of a lot of advantages to 64 bit per se. |
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| 16:30.02 | enouf | sminter: loop mount it? |
| 16:30.02 | sladi | debian_noob: KDM is the kde manager. but if I understand correctly gdm just hides its settings very well. these seem to be called gconf. |
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| 16:30.12 | SM2k | so back to my dpkg-noob questions. is it possible to look up a package from a full path? |
| 16:30.16 | enouf | gdmsetup? |
| 16:30.35 | enouf | SM2k: ? |
| 16:30.58 | Vyrus001 | SM2k: its more i dont wana worry about it being a speed cost later and before i have a shit ton of stuff installed id rather do it now |
| 16:31.06 | enouf | SM2k: oh .. sure, dpkg -S filename |
| 16:31.09 | debian_noob | sladi:do you know how to access gconf |
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| 16:31.14 | Vyrus001 | SM2k: im kinda haveing an issue where i "think" a few of my drivers are behaving slower than they should... i cant proove this but its a brand new lappy, it should be 64 anyway |
| 16:31.15 | sminter | enouf, if i loop mount it, can i then mount the LV's? |
| 16:31.17 | enouf | SM2k: apt-file |
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| 16:31.56 | enouf | SM2k: i use dlocate - some might use dotty and {r}madison as well, iinm |
| 16:32.10 | SM2k | enouf, ah thanks! |
| 16:32.21 | enouf | sminter: by loop mounting it, you are mounting it |
| 16:32.31 | debian_noob | sladi:whats a GtkRC file? |
| 16:32.36 | SM2k | enouf, also, does dpkg have the concept of a rollback stack? or at least a history of what packages I've installed thus far? |
| 16:32.56 | enouf | see /var/log/dpkg.log - no rollback state |
| 16:33.18 | enouf | see /var/log/dpkg.log.* actually |
| 16:33.23 | SM2k | enouf, cool. yeah I'm more interested in retracing my steps anyhow |
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| 16:34.15 | urbano | hi |
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| 16:34.31 | urbano | is anybody able to play urban terror with etch/lenny/sid ? |
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| 16:35.45 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/device-mapper/snapshot.txt take a look at dmsetup table as well sminter |
| 16:36.46 | enouf | urbano: if anyone can, it'd be stoned |
| 16:36.57 | sladi | debian_noob: I don't use gnome or GDM sorry. gtkrc is some config file IIRC. |
| 16:37.12 | urbano | enouf, why? |
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| 16:37.28 | enouf | cause he's a gamer? |
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| 16:37.41 | valdyn | debian_noob: .gtkrc is a file that gtk configuration can be stored in, you dont need to care about it |
| 16:38.16 | valdyn | debian_noob: theres hardly any gtk applications anymore that anyone uses |
| 16:38.26 | enouf | debian_noob: note the leading '.' in .gtkrc .. /msg dpkg dotfiles |
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| 16:38.59 | enouf | (as unneeded and unnecessary that particular one may be) |
| 16:39.12 | SM2k | Vyrus001, it doesn't hurt either way normally whether you're 32 bit or 64 bit. what you will find is that programs take more memory (larger stack size) |
| 16:39.18 | enouf | s/as that/ |
| 16:39.19 | urbano | enouf, i'd appreciate if you could be less cryptic |
| 16:39.49 | enouf | urbano: it's a person's nickname - /join #debian-chat |
| 16:40.02 | SM2k | Vyrus001, I once insisted on trying to switch a 32 to 64 bit system and actually succeeded, but then had other wierd issues like xulrunner not being set up correctly and flashplayer not working. |
| 16:40.57 | SM2k | Vyrus001, in general it's a good idea to back up what you want to keep (eg home dir, assuming it's not on a separate partition) and reinstall |
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| 16:41.39 | SM2k | enouf, thanks for your help |
| 16:41.43 | urbano | enouf, !%*@# |
| 16:41.48 | enouf | np |
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| 16:43.11 | Xenman | Hallo! |
| 16:43.14 | Vyrus001 | SM2k: yea... i googled a bit and didnt find anything... wich in the *nix world is ALWAYS a bad sign |
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| 16:43.22 | Vyrus001 | im actuly backing up home/user.* now <_< |
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| 16:43.58 | Xenman | Is there anybody who knows something about Debian ETCH with Xen 3.1 ? |
| 16:44.48 | urbano | enouf, give Xenman the 'right' answer .. |
| 16:45.04 | valdyn | !tell Xenman -about ask |
| 16:45.18 | Xenman | :) |
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| 16:45.34 | Xenman | okey, i´ll try to explain it.... |
| 16:46.13 | Xenman | I have a running machine with the selfcompiled package of 3.1 XEN... now i try to install Windows in a DomU.. with hvm |
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| 16:46.41 | Xenman | and i find no way to find the wrong part of the xen conf |
| 16:48.09 | Xenman | it always says ther is a problem with the xenconsole on tty |
| 16:48.20 | zleap | not sure |
| 16:48.21 | Xenman | do anybody knows this problem? |
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| 16:48.57 | Xenman | it looks this way |
| 16:48.58 | Xenman | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.58 | Xenman | Using config file "/etc/xen/win.cfg". |
| 16:48.58 | Xenman | VNC= 1 |
| 16:48.58 | Xenman | Started domain W2K8 |
| 16:48.58 | Xenman | xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory |
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| 16:49.06 | enouf | Xenman: wiki.debian.org/Xen was recently updated - go have a read |
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| 16:49.24 | Xenman | okey, this was my first kick for today! ;) |
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| 16:50.23 | ohgs | I'm trying to install 4.0r6 on a machine that is on a network which requires static IP. I've entered the correct addresses but no go- is there some secret to getting Debian to install w/ static IP? |
| 16:51.05 | Xenman | no, only the resolv.conf you have to edit |
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| 16:51.17 | enouf | ohgs: nogo is nohelp |
| 16:51.44 | enouf | ohgs: review messages on alt-f4 |
| 16:52.13 | enouf | ohgs: perhaps your NIC isn't supported |
| 16:52.42 | ohgs | enouf: Well it finds my network card fine but I get lots of hostname lookup failures when trying to find the mirror |
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| 16:53.32 | ohgs | Xenman: I need to edit resolve.conf do I? Isn't this the same info as nameserver? |
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| 16:53.52 | ohgs | which the installer asks me for and I've provided |
| 16:53.52 | Xenman | yes, exactly nameserver |
| 16:53.54 | enouf | route, gateway, arp - hostname issues can be taken care of using /msg dpkg hostname |
| 16:54.08 | mfdavid | hi all. I developed a open source 2D simple space shooter game and I created a .deb file to install it under GNU/Debian Systems. I would like to include it under the official debian repository. What should I do? |
| 16:54.12 | Xenman | you have no chance to connect to the mirror |
| 16:54.25 | enouf | or, your lines for the mirror are incorrect |
| 16:54.41 | Xenman | maybe you can ping with STR-ALT F2 on a second Consol to a System in the web |
| 16:54.53 | Xenman | if this is posible its only the resolv.conf |
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| 16:55.14 | Xenman | 62.72.64.237 is a good adress for your resolv.conf |
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| 16:57.15 | enouf | could try passing "d-i netcfg/disable_dhcp" at the boot prompt, maybe also add a BOOT_DEBUG= level -- all this is in the Installation Guide |
| 16:57.16 | Xenman | is there nobody who knows XEN and my problem at the top? |
| 16:57.38 | enouf | 5.2. Boot Parameters |
| 16:57.55 | ohgs | Xenman: OK- I used that address you gave for nameserver and the installer has got further now- thanks! |
| 16:58.18 | Xenman | okey, no prob |
| 16:59.23 | ohgs | This server has 2GB RAM- should I bother with a swap partition, should I use a swap file or none? |
| 16:59.41 | valdyn | ohgs: sure use swap |
| 16:59.51 | valdyn | ohgs: file or partition, thats up to you |
| 16:59.58 | ohgs | partition? 2GB? 4GB? |
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| 17:00.23 | ohgs | I'll go with partition |
| 17:00.25 | valdyn | ohgs: thats impossible to tell without knowing the workload, but 2GB is normall sufficient easily |
| 17:00.37 | valdyn | ohgs: question is if using 4G does hurt you at all |
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| 17:01.07 | ohgs | I think I could spare the space |
| 17:01.11 | valdyn | ohgs: fsck.xfs can use 4G ram on one of my filesystems |
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| 17:02.25 | the1 | do you all use gnome-terminal? is there a better terminal? |
| 17:02.40 | ohgs | I was going to use ext3 for / but maybe xfs or another filesystem would be better on RAID 5? |
| 17:02.45 | Xenman | YES, KDE ;) |
| 17:02.49 | debian_noob | how to install .tar.gz GDM themes? |
| 17:02.50 | valdyn | the1: theres not really something better, but theres different preferences / tastes |
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| 17:02.54 | the1 | i would like to use a different terminal, possibily a better one than gnome-terminal. I am new to Linux. please suggest. |
| 17:03.03 | NewProggie | hello guys |
| 17:03.08 | Xenman | Hi NEW |
| 17:03.09 | Xenman | ;) |
| 17:03.11 | EulGlaude | xterm |
| 17:03.19 | Xenman | lol |
| 17:03.22 | the1 | thanks |
| 17:03.30 | ohgs | rxvt! |
| 17:03.30 | NewProggie | I have a problem installing debian from the netinstall cd here on my pc |
| 17:03.43 | EulGlaude | unicode-rxvt |
| 17:03.57 | the1 | and I want to do C#.NET development in Debian. I have heard there is mono. but I can't find a 'mono' package in aptitude. |
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| 17:04.00 | the1 | what should I be installing? |
| 17:04.05 | NewProggie | I made several partitions and tried to format one (for dual-use with windows) with fat32, but failed |
| 17:04.10 | valdyn | the1: most terminals are slower than gnome-terminal on modern hardware |
| 17:04.21 | debian_noob | how to install .tar.gz GDM themes? |
| 17:04.26 | valdyn | the1: especially if you use scalable / truetype fonts |
| 17:04.45 | NewProggie | the error message ist just that debian failed to create fat 32 :-/ . The partition size is 250 GB |
| 17:04.48 | EulGlaude | NewProggie, you do not need to format the partition for windows |
| 17:04.55 | stew | valdyn: do you really mean slower? or do you mean faster? |
| 17:05.02 | enouf | debian_noob: apt-cache search gnome theme |
| 17:05.09 | NewProggie | EulGlaude: why? |
| 17:05.12 | EulGlaude | NelsonFx, plus XP prefer NTFS |
| 17:05.16 | valdyn | stew: slower, xterm with ttf is an order of magnitude slower |
| 17:05.26 | EulGlaude | NewProggie, Let the windows installer format its partition |
| 17:05.27 | enouf | NewProggie: does lsmod show vfat ? |
| 17:05.33 | stew | valdyn: ok. i wouldn't have guess gnome-terminal to be a fast one |
| 17:05.35 | debian_noob | enouf: i already have the .tar.gz file |
| 17:06.04 | enouf | debian_noob: you don't want it, unless you really have a reason - and, you know what you're doing |
| 17:06.05 | valdyn | stew: me neither, which is why i was surprised when i saw it |
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| 17:06.32 | stew | valdyn: its slower than xterm for me |
| 17:06.48 | stew | but similar enough |
| 17:06.51 | EulGlaude | on a Quadcore 16gi RAM gnome-terminal might be fast, but still full of memory leaks |
| 17:06.53 | valdyn | stew: it sure depends on the render acceleration |
| 17:06.53 | NewProggie | EulGlade: well, actually it's a little homeserver and I want to have my net-shares there connecting from linux and windows machines thats why it needs to be a compatible FS for both OS |
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| 17:07.01 | the1 | valdyn: ok |
| 17:07.19 | NewProggie | enouf: I don't know, I'm still trying to install^^ |
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| 17:07.24 | valdyn | stew: i dare bet that gnome-terminal will profit more from xrender accel |
| 17:07.33 | debian_noob | enouf:my question is how to install the tar.gz themes |
| 17:07.34 | ohgs | NewProggie: Use FAT32 for shared FS |
| 17:07.36 | enouf | NewProggie: press alt-f2, run lsmod | grep vfat |
| 17:07.52 | NewProggie | ohgs: that's what I want to do :-/ |
| 17:08.00 | EulGlaude | windows under vfat will be unsecure and more lower each new day NewProggie |
| 17:08.01 | enouf | debian_noob: i don't know - might try irc.gnome.org |
| 17:08.15 | stew | valdyn: oh, and my gnome-term is using antialiased ttf fonts and my xterm is using 'fixed' |
| 17:08.18 | debian_noob | ok |
| 17:08.19 | NewProggie | EulGlaude: so what are my options then? |
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| 17:08.34 | valdyn | stew: yea, thats a huge difference |
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| 17:08.45 | ohgs | NewProggie: You can also get apps so you can read/write EXT3 under windows |
| 17:08.47 | EulGlaude | ntfs is supported by Linux NewProggie , under fuse for write access |
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| 17:09.27 | valdyn | stew: this accel stuff is funny, makeing my console orders of magnitude slower than gnome-terminal |
| 17:09.35 | EulGlaude | NewProggie, You can also run Windows under KVM/qemu and access Linux fs using samba |
| 17:09.45 | abrotman | !tell NewProggie about ntfs-3g |
| 17:10.17 | NewProggie | enouf: the output of lsmod is: vfat 11392 0 and one line under fat 45596 1 vfat |
| 17:10.18 | abrotman | !tell NewProggie about ext3ifs |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | !tell NewProggie about ext2ifs |
| 17:10.25 | abrotman | mayhbe? |
| 17:10.29 | stew | i fail at coming up with with something to put after -fn to get xterm to use a ttf font |
| 17:10.57 | EulGlaude | NewProggie, see what abrotman say ? forget about VFAT |
| 17:11.20 | abrotman | except for the filesize limit, i'd rather use vfat over ntfs from linux |
| 17:11.33 | NewProggie | EulGlaude: I see, do you know how good it already works under windows (I mean the ext3 support) |
| 17:11.52 | NewProggie | because I need to have read and write support.. |
| 17:11.59 | enouf | NewProggie: ok, welp; that's not the issue then - so long as 'fat' is also present, i should've said-> | grep fat |
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| 17:12.15 | EulGlaude | NewProggie, It works fine, I've used it a lot, now I prefer Samba, since I run Windows under KVM/qemu |
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| 17:12.54 | EulGlaude | You will have write access NewProggie, just choose the rights tools |
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| 17:13.23 | enouf | NewProggie: might try a smaller partition size, though the limit on a fat32 partition size is a theoretical 2TB (-1 or something) .. but the slack at large sizes is sooo bad by then |
| 17:13.33 | valdyn | stew: xterm -fa "Sans Mono" |
| 17:13.40 | NewProggie | EulGlaude: I hope, I got it right. I also want to create samba-shares for the server and then using these shares under windows and linux, but I thought I have to format the partition for fat32 first. Does samba take control about it, so I don't have to deal with FS at all? |
| 17:13.55 | enouf | NewProggie: i say smaller .. meaning, try 100G at first - just to see if there's some weirdo 48bitLBA issue |
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| 17:14.31 | NewProggie | enouf: thanks alot, but I guess I will format it with ext3 now and give the above mentioned tools a try |
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| 17:14.45 | enouf | wonders if NewProggie has some newer 750-1TB HDD |
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| 17:15.01 | EulGlaude | Samba is user space daemon, don't deal at all with the filesystem NewProggie |
| 17:15.03 | NewProggie | enouf: it's a new SATA 400 GB HDD actually |
| 17:15.06 | stew | valdyn: yeah, on "time ls /var/lib/dpkg/info" that makes xterm take 3 times as long |
| 17:15.33 | NewProggie | EulGlaude: So I can format everything with ext3 and Samba takes care about the FS, right? |
| 17:16.00 | EulGlaude | Well NewProggie Windows won't install on ext3 |
| 17:16.10 | enouf | NewProggie: is that a recent veriosn of the netinstall? Etch? Lenny? |
| 17:16.39 | NewProggie | EulGlade: I am not going to install Windows on that partition, but I want to share the stored data on that partition on Win and Linux |
| 17:16.55 | EulGlaude | NewProggie, sure : ext3 rulez ... |
| 17:16.59 | EulGlaude | in that case |
| 17:17.03 | NewProggie | enouf: I just got it from the debian-site, so I guess it's brand new^^ |
| 17:17.09 | enouf | http://www.tummy.com/journals/entries/jafo_20081008_181615 is what i was referring to NewProggie .. but i don't know if it's the issue for you |
| 17:17.21 | NewProggie | EulGlade: great, you helped me a lot^^^ |
| 17:18.00 | NewProggie | enouf: guess not |
| 17:18.07 | EulGlaude | You just have to install the ext3 driver under Windows, which is free, NewProggie, can't remember its exact names |
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| 17:18.22 | NewProggie | EulGlade: ok, I will figure that out |
| 17:18.38 | enouf | stew: xlsfonts? |
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| 17:19.16 | valdyn | NewProggie: i would probably use ntfs for a shared fs |
| 17:19.21 | stew | enouf: right. i suck with fonts and use 'fixed' for everything |
| 17:19.39 | enouf | stew: you too eh? hehe |
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| 17:20.57 | NewProggie | valdyn: thanks for the hint, but I will use samba for the shares, so I guess I don't have to care about it |
| 17:21.05 | valdyn | NewProggie: true |
| 17:21.53 | valdyn | i wonder if samba can map windows acl to posix acl |
| 17:22.32 | NewProggie | takes care about the installation now |
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| 17:23.30 | mfdavid | I developed a simple open source 2D space shooter game, and I would like to include it under GNU/Debian official repository. I dont want to pass trought the role process of becoming a official manteiner or anything... just want to put this little package there. Is there a place where I can make this request? The source is under SVN and there is a script that genarates the .deb package... |
| 17:23.31 | mfdavid | ...automaticaly. |
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| 17:24.09 | stew | mfdavid: you'd file an "RFP" to request that someone package it for debian: /msg dpkg rfp |
| 17:24.13 | stew | and /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 17:24.16 | stoned | mfdavid, let me try the game |
| 17:24.24 | stoned | link me to it please, source code please |
| 17:24.41 | stoned | mfdavid, if I like it, I'll package it |
| 17:24.45 | mfdavid | stoned: http://code.google.com/p/insanerzshooter/source/checkout |
| 17:24.53 | stoned | otherwise rfp |
| 17:24.57 | mfdavid | stoned: thanks. Hope you enjoy then hehe |
| 17:25.03 | stoned | mfdavid, also try in #debian-games |
| 17:25.12 | stoned | on irc.debian.org too |
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| 17:25.28 | mfdavid | right. Thanks. |
| 17:26.27 | stoned | in the readme file, there are no listed dependencies |
| 17:26.55 | stoned | the music/sound/resoruces you are utilizing, how are they licensed? |
| 17:27.58 | mfdavid | stoned: libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-ttf2.0-0, libsdl-sound1.2. The music and the graphics are created by a friend and me. They are Creative Commons |
| 17:28.04 | stoned | don't tell me |
| 17:28.07 | stoned | put those in the readme |
| 17:28.15 | mfdavid | ok. sorry. |
| 17:28.36 | newsense | stoned, aint no one in #debian-games |
| 17:28.45 | stoned | not bad, shoulda done it in python |
| 17:29.01 | stoned | the code is abit ugly but you're a newbie developer I'm guessing |
| 17:29.11 | mfdavid | C++ newbie |
| 17:29.17 | stoned | cool |
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| 17:30.05 | stoned | AAAH! comments in spanish! :) (I only speak english) |
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| 17:30.45 | mfdavid | its portuguese actualy hehe Im from Brazil |
| 17:30.50 | stoned | ahh cool |
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| 17:31.33 | stoned | mfdavid, have you ever messed with python? |
| 17:32.32 | mfdavid | not much. |
| 17:32.47 | stoned | its very clean and has bindings for like pretty much everything |
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| 17:33.37 | stoned | newsense, on here ? or oftc? |
| 17:33.43 | stoned | try both places |
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| 17:35.01 | newsense | stoned, ahh let me try oftc, i have some gaming questions and i seen ya mention the channel is all |
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| 17:35.28 | newsense | stoned, cool its populated on oftc |
| 17:35.54 | stoned | newsense, I got my website done too! |
| 17:36.12 | newsense | stoned, personal site ? |
| 17:36.51 | newsense | brb ill meet ya in #debian-chat stoned |
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| 17:37.46 | stoned | ok |
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| 17:39.34 | enouf | urbano never showed up stoned |
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| 17:40.17 | stoned | ? |
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| 17:43.27 | dimm | hello! how can i know about what kind of debian installed on my system? |
| 17:43.50 | stoned | dimm, /msg dpkg version |
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| 17:44.09 | stoned | dimm, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 17:45.08 | stew | dimm: what do you mean by 'kind'? |
| 17:45.21 | Ace2016-_ | Hi all |
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| 17:45.44 | dimm | stew, "etch or sid" |
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| 17:49.15 | mfdavid | stoned: the readme file is updated. If you could create and upload a package would be really cool. |
| 17:49.28 | BornToBePuli | hi |
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| 17:50.18 | stew | dimm: try "lsb_release -a" ; if that doesn't work, try /etc/debian_version or compare the installed version of libc6 to the versions available from http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 17:50.24 | mfdavid | stoned: python is nice, but I wanted to learn a little C/C++. I usually probram in Java and a little bit of Ruby. |
| 17:52.11 | dimm | stew, stoned, i try all method what you tell me, and now i know that is 'debian etch 4.0', thx |
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| 17:54.00 | dimm | can i install program by apt-get, but i want install them as "./confgiure --prefix=$HOME" |
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| 17:56.14 | helo | anyone know what i need to do to get the microsoft nautral ergonomic keyboard 4000 to work correctly? the msnek4k module doesn't seem to be available, although it supposedly should be part of kernel 2.6.24 (i'm running .26) |
| 17:56.30 | helo | :q |
| 17:56.33 | helo | err |
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| 17:57.03 | the1 | i installed xterm and the fonts look so small. how can i do customization for xterm |
| 17:57.13 | the1 | i want the window to be a little larger, fonts to be bigger, etc. |
| 17:57.48 | valdyn | !xdefaults |
| 17:57.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xdefaults is xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
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| 17:58.40 | SparFux1 | !pastebin |
| 17:58.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:58.40 | valdyn | the1: in that ^^^ file, via options from man xterm, section "RESOURCES" |
| 17:58.43 | the1 | is xdefaults answer to my question? |
| 17:58.50 | EmleyMoor | helo: What aspect of it doesn't work properly? |
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| 17:59.11 | SparFux1 | what was the name of this echo stuff | nc pastebin.org ? |
| 17:59.24 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 17:59.24 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 18:00.03 | the1 | I neither have ~/.Xdefaults file nor ~/.Xresources |
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| 18:00.27 | SparFux1 | enouf: thanks. |
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| 18:00.33 | helo | EmleyMoor: half of the keys do nothing, the c key outputs a 'z' with some garbage |
| 18:00.47 | helo | same behavior in console mode as X |
| 18:00.48 | stew | the1: you can create one, and call "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" from .xsession or .xinitrc depenging on how you start X |
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| 18:01.32 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... not a keyboard I know - most (even Microsoft) at least type normally |
| 18:02.22 | helo | many of the keys that don't work are normal letter/number keys |
| 18:02.39 | helo | abzefghjklmnpqrstvwxz < -- me typing the alphabet |
| 18:03.23 | helo | 1 .24 3 .24 5 6 <-- me typing 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 |
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| 18:03.42 | stew | false |
| 18:04.21 | the1 | xterm does not support tabs? |
| 18:04.25 | helo | it feels nice to type on, so i was going to try using it even it is a perfect example of microsoft's pretentiousness |
| 18:04.44 | stew | the1: do you mean tabs to switch between multiple shells? or tab the character? |
| 18:04.51 | EmleyMoor | helo: Have you tried it on a Windows boxZ |
| 18:04.54 | EmleyMoor | ? |
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| 18:05.06 | the1 | stew: tabs to switch between multiple shells like in gnome-terminal |
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| 18:05.53 | stew | the1: it does not. mrxvt might be the closest thing. or try, perhaps, "apt-cache search tabbed terminal emulator" |
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| 18:06.31 | valdyn | the1: is there an actual problem you are trying to fix except not using gnome terminal? |
| 18:06.52 | fd_64 | If I wanted to completley remove gnome, and go to kde would I have alot of problems? |
| 18:06.58 | the1 | valdyn: no. I just want to see different terminals. |
| 18:07.03 | newsense | fd_64, no |
| 18:07.21 | the1 | i want to see a few terminals before settling on one as I am new to Debian and Linux as such. |
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| 18:07.24 | helo | EmleyMoor: heh, same behavior... i'll try installing the cd that came with it |
| 18:07.46 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm - it sounds potentially faulty |
| 18:07.48 | enouf | the1: another one is konsole - part of kde |
| 18:08.05 | newsense | i like konsole personally |
| 18:08.08 | craigevil-eee | yakuake |
| 18:08.27 | enouf | !start a terminal war! |
| 18:08.27 | dpkg | MS Telnet über alles! |
| 18:08.40 | fd_64 | newsense: i read that apt-get remove --purge gnome gnome-core gnome-desktop-environment should do it. Am I right? |
| 18:08.51 | stew | !remove gnome |
| 18:08.51 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 1.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 2.x, use aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (or use purge accordingly). |
| 18:08.59 | newsense | fd_64, probobly dont need all that even but yes itll do it |
| 18:09.21 | stew | fd_64: note that you don't need to remove gnome in order to start using kde |
| 18:10.18 | fd_64 | stew: I know, but I don't want extra programs around that I dont want, they why I do the net installs with no desktop environment and add everything after |
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| 18:10.38 | fd_64 | stew: unless there is a better way |
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| 18:11.41 | the1 | aptitude remove does not remove the configuration files? |
| 18:11.48 | _tydeas_ | hello newbie to linux, should i download the stable version or the weekly-building one? the iso has a window enviroment? |
| 18:11.52 | stew | the1: correct |
| 18:12.41 | newsense | man i dropped my keyboard now every key i type in xchat makes the pc speaker beep |
| 18:12.44 | valdyn | _tydeas_: its the netinstall, it has about nothing not essential, things are downloaded |
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| 18:13.15 | EmleyMoor | _tydeas_: The installer has both a text and a graphical mode |
| 18:13.16 | enouf | newsense: haha .. nowai |
| 18:14.07 | newsense | enouf, how do i fix it its driving me crazy |
| 18:14.15 | newsense | might have to kill xchat huh |
| 18:14.21 | enouf | !beep |
| 18:14.21 | dpkg | beep is, like, echo -ne '\a'. A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port, or see <bell> |
| 18:14.24 | enouf | er |
| 18:14.27 | enouf | !bell |
| 18:14.28 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 18:14.54 | _tydeas_ | so for AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+ download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ first cd???????? |
| 18:14.59 | stew | you probably fix it by swapping out the keyboard |
| 18:15.00 | newsense | thanks :) had no clue what i did |
| 18:15.16 | enouf | _tydeas_: no, you need i386 |
| 18:15.22 | enouf | _tydeas_: not amd64 |
| 18:15.22 | stew | _tydeas_: that's not a 64 bit processor |
| 18:15.58 | newsense | xset did the job thanks enouf |
| 18:16.13 | enouf | ;-) |
| 18:16.15 | the1 | i installed mrxvt. I do control + right click and I can see the context menu. I go to "transparency >", now how do I open the submenu in transparency? |
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| 18:17.17 | flower | when installing Debian and partitioning the hdd, is it recommend to use labels? |
| 18:17.59 | EmleyMoor | flower: Not sure about recommended but let's just say "not discouraged" |
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| 18:18.16 | stoned | ok |
| 18:18.28 | flower | EmleyMoor: mmh political answer ;) |
| 18:18.36 | helo | heh |
| 18:18.48 | helo | it didnt work in windows, but another of the same model did... bad keyboard |
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| 18:18.54 | EmleyMoor | <-- politician, of sorts |
| 18:19.02 | H2S04 | EmleyMoor, liar! |
| 18:19.03 | helo | although the f-keys don't seem to work |
| 18:19.12 | flower | and for newbies? label or not? |
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| 18:19.44 | flower | And for SWAP? primair or logic (default seems to be logic) |
| 18:19.50 | flower | relatime or noatime? |
| 18:19.58 | stew | i newbie would probably never know how to use the label after setting one |
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| 18:20.05 | stew | flower: promary or logical doesn't matter to the os |
| 18:20.12 | flower | ok |
| 18:20.23 | EmleyMoor | I always use LVM on new setups these days |
| 18:20.29 | stew | same here |
| 18:20.53 | EmleyMoor | (in fact, LVM on RAID where possible |
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| 18:21.16 | newsense | everytime i try lvm from installer i get errors about not being able to find the volume group |
| 18:21.26 | newsense | i must be the only one |
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| 18:22.10 | enouf | flower: relatime is nice enough, .. i guess that bug was fixed ;-) |
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| 18:22.57 | flower | ok |
| 18:23.17 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481653 |
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| 18:24.01 | ugly | when I try to set an ipv6 address with ifconfig, I get the error "Don't know how to set addresses for family 10." I'm using the following cmd: 'ifconfig eth0 inet6 2001:5c0:1100:4900::2 prefixlen 64' - this seems to have just started happening after a recent apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:25.59 | enouf | ugly: try 10f5/64 instead of prefixlen 64? |
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| 18:26.52 | Nigromante | hello |
| 18:27.09 | ugly | enouf: that gives me the error: "2001:5c0:1100:4900::2/64: `Host' unknown" |
| 18:27.18 | enouf | er, and doesn't the double colon come after the 1st hex set? ..so fe70:: |
| 18:27.50 | ugly | not that I know of |
| 18:28.07 | enouf | inet6 addr: fe80::209:5bff:fe8d:10f5/64 Scope:Link |
| 18:28.13 | ugly | the double colon means 2001:5c0:1100:4900:0000:0000:0000:0002 |
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| 18:28.36 | ugly | I don't know what that is, but it's not an IP address enouf |
| 18:28.45 | enouf | right, it squishes many 0s |
| 18:28.55 | enouf | ugly: it works here |
| 18:29.21 | enouf | that's what ifconfig shows me for my NIC |
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| 18:30.01 | ugly | a valid IPv6 address is always given in the form I listed |
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| 18:30.15 | enouf | then ifconfig is wrong? |
| 18:30.40 | ugly | I don't know what that number represents, enouf |
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| 18:31.01 | NickMind_XPBOX | hey all, is dash a shell program? if so, do any of you use it, or like it? |
| 18:31.02 | NickMind_XPBOX | hey all, is dash a shell program? if so, do any of you use it, or like it? |
| 18:31.04 | NickMind_XPBOX | sorry |
| 18:31.53 | enouf | heh ~$ cat /proc/net/if_inet6 |
| 18:31.54 | dazjorz | NickMind_XPBOX: it's a shell, yeah, and I think it's default in lenny (or at least it's default somewhere) |
| 18:32.03 | enouf | 00000000000000000000000000000001 01 80 10 80 lo |
| 18:32.03 | enouf | fe8000000000000002095bfffe8d10f5 02 40 20 80 eth0 |
| 18:32.05 | stew | NickMind_XPBOX: dash is a shell such as 'bash' or 'tcsh' which is meant to act as /bin/sh in order for scripts to run more quickly than they would if /bin/sh were pointing to /bin/bash |
| 18:32.15 | enouf | you figure it out :-P |
| 18:32.21 | stew | NickMind_XPBOX: dash is not meant to be used interactively, as it is not a very full featured intereactive shell |
| 18:33.29 | NickMind_XPBOX | but i have been reading about lenny and I think dazjorz is right in it's lenny default shell? |
| 18:33.49 | dazjorz | ah |
| 18:33.51 | the1 | how to enable translucency support in Xorg? I am using gnome |
| 18:33.55 | enouf | stew: i heard dash is used for POSIX compliance - am i mistaken? |
| 18:34.03 | ugly | in any case, I have another ipv6 address on the interface, and it is denoted in the way I indicated, enouf |
| 18:34.06 | dazjorz | NickMind_XPBOX: so dash is only a placeholder for faster shellscripts - the interactive shell you're using is still bash |
| 18:34.15 | stew | enouf: dash is posix compliant, but posh is the one created solely for that purpose |
| 18:34.27 | enouf | stew: hrm, ok |
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| 18:34.55 | stew | enouf: dash was really crated to be a fast /bin/sh |
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| 18:35.11 | enouf | stew: i see - thanks |
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| 18:35.48 | the1 | where should I specify my mrxvt terminal defaults. in ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources. I see both working. I have typed the defaults myself in the file. |
| 18:35.53 | NickMind_XPBOX | dazjorz: i hear you |
| 18:36.06 | the1 | if both can do the same work, then why are two options given, .Xdefaults and .Xresources? |
| 18:36.22 | babilen | enouf: i guess the address you are quoting is the ad-hoc ipv6 address for your device derived from your mac address |
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| 18:37.01 | stew | the1: .Xresources is the one more commonly used. .Xdefaults has been used by some systems historically, so it is still supported for backwards compatibility |
| 18:37.10 | the1 | ok |
| 18:37.31 | the1 | did mv ~/.Xdefaults ~/.Xresources |
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| 18:39.45 | enouf | ugly: try 'ifconfig eth0 inet6 add 2001:5c0:1100:4900::2/64' |
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| 18:41.15 | enouf | babilen: ouch? |
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| 18:41.15 | graziano | hi |
| 18:41.15 | graziano | I would like to ask you a question because I have a problem with debian |
| 18:41.16 | ugly | enouf: that worked, thanks :P |
| 18:41.17 | Nigromante | hi graziano |
| 18:41.21 | abrotman | graziano: go ahead and ask |
| 18:41.26 | graziano | I own a Lemote Yeeloong |
| 18:41.33 | graziano | I had a problem and I needed to reinstall all |
| 18:41.42 | graziano | I used the tarball provided by Lemote here: |
| 18:41.50 | enouf | ugly: syntax ;-) |
| 18:42.19 | graziano | http://bjlx.org.cn/loongson/loongson2_debian5_20090108.tar.bz2 |
| 18:42.21 | ugly | yeah |
| 18:42.23 | enouf | babilen: i see it interlaced/intermingled now that you mention it - thanks |
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| 18:42.41 | ugly | enouf: has it always been that syntax? I swear I was able to use it without add in the past.. |
| 18:42.42 | graziano | I was able to reinstall it |
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| 18:42.51 | graziano | but now I have a problem |
| 18:42.59 | graziano | it comes with two users: loongson and root |
| 18:43.06 | enouf | ugly: i think so - i really can't say - i opened man ifconfig is all i did ;-) |
| 18:43.17 | graziano | if I login into gnome using loongon or root |
| 18:43.25 | enouf | ugly: maybe you used ip instead of ifconfig? |
| 18:43.29 | graziano | and then launch System -> Users and Groups |
| 18:43.37 | graziano | or Network Administration |
| 18:43.46 | graziano | I keep getting this error |
| 18:43.49 | babilen | enouf: or to be more precise a "link local address" which is derived from your NICs MAC address with FE80::/64 prefix... |
| 18:43.52 | enouf | ugly: from the iproute{2} pkgs? |
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| 18:44.13 | babilen | enouf: anyway, it does not really help egly... |
| 18:44.14 | ugly | I used ifconfig |
| 18:44.15 | graziano | first it asks me for the root password, I write it |
| 18:44.22 | graziano | then I receive the following error: |
| 18:44.29 | enouf | babilen: good to know though |
| 18:44.35 | graziano | "The configuration could not be loaded |
| 18:44.35 | graziano | You are not allowed to access the system configuration" |
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| 18:45.07 | graziano | if I try to launch those programs from a terminal after became root |
| 18:45.16 | graziano | I get a |
| 18:45.34 | graziano | "gtk-warning **: cannot open display |
| 18:45.39 | graziano | .. |
| 18:45.41 | babilen | enouf: think of it as some kind of unique ipv6 autoconfiguration address... |
| 18:45.55 | graziano | could you help me a little bit? |
| 18:46.05 | graziano | I read a lot of things but nothing seems to help |
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| 18:46.34 | enouf | babilen: sure - something the NSA can use :-P |
| 18:46.39 | the1 | gnome-terminal by default uses freetype fonts? |
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| 18:47.04 | adama_ | !tell graziano -about enter |
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| 18:47.24 | d0ug | Hi. What process might jigglelnk be? It's eating up my cpu |
| 18:47.31 | aboudreault | hi, is lenny still frozen ? |
| 18:47.36 | graziano | adama_, thanks, I know I have this problem :) |
| 18:47.55 | adama_ | graziano: try doing an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade to replace any broken packages that came in that tarball? |
| 18:48.49 | graziano | apt-get upgrade already done, 0 upgraded newly installed removed or not upgraded |
| 18:49.03 | abrotman | aboudreault: /topic |
| 18:49.06 | meyou | d0ug: from a quick google, it looks like it may be some sort of exploit executable |
| 18:49.10 | graziano | apt-get update can't connect to the server |
| 18:49.12 | prufrocks | is it appropriate to ask questions about setting up VPNs on debian here? |
| 18:49.22 | meyou | the only hits i see are for debian bug tracking about a symlink attack |
| 18:49.38 | d0ug | yeah i found it |
| 18:49.39 | graziano | the sources.list provided with debian loongson tarball is particular |
| 18:49.41 | d0ug | damnit |
| 18:49.45 | maligor | they need to release lenny already so kde 4.2 gets to sid, this is darned shiny :) |
| 18:49.52 | aboudreault | abrotman: roger that. thx. |
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| 18:50.06 | abrotman | maligor: go fix bugs |
| 18:50.15 | teratoma | where do i traditionally put added routes , instead of a command in /etc/rc.local ? |
| 18:50.33 | stew | teratoma: in a 'post-up' or 'up' line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 18:50.38 | jelly-home | maligor: was kde 4.2.0 released? |
| 18:50.43 | enouf | sends maligor directly to the bug room |
| 18:50.56 | maligor | jelly-home, no, I'm running the rc package from debian kde people |
| 18:51.03 | d0ug | reading a .bash_history someone ran something called debiankiddie, cat /etc/shadow ... |
| 18:51.09 | d0ug | sons of bitches |
| 18:51.25 | enouf | teratoma: i think in /etc/iproute/rt_table or similar? |
| 18:51.27 | maligor | this has shinier effects than vista :P |
| 18:51.27 | jelly-home | maligor: oh. then you've probably read the topic on #debian-kde |
| 18:51.52 | enouf | ~$ ll /etc/iproute2/ |
| 18:51.52 | enouf | ematch_map rt_dsfield rt_protos rt_realms rt_scopes rt_tables |
| 18:51.52 | adama_ | graziano: what if you switch your apt sources to official debian servers? |
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| 18:52.38 | graziano | adama_, I don't want to do it because I fear to break things, official debian mipsel has not support for the lemote yeeloong yet |
| 18:52.43 | enouf | stew: oh, is my /etc/iproute2/ info incorrect then? |
| 18:52.58 | graziano | (it needs a praticular kernel and graphic drivers) |
| 18:53.18 | stew | enouf: it depends on if by "added routes" me meant "added routes" or "added routing tables" |
| 18:53.31 | andresmh | excuse the question, but what would be the difference for a non-techie between running ubuntu vs debian? |
| 18:53.33 | d0ug | hmm i see a file xpl.pl, echo 'Exploit for Roundcube Webmail =< 0.2-beta' |
| 18:53.36 | d0ug | great |
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| 18:54.05 | enouf | stew: ok - thanks ... i guess i can't even distinguish the two myself yet :-) |
| 18:54.07 | graziano | I read only that mine is a common problem so I thought you could easily help |
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| 18:54.15 | graziano | I read *online |
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| 18:54.22 | d0ug | All right so i change all passwords, purge these files, check what starts on boot, try to keep an eye on snort, upgrade roundcube ... Or should I just reinstall the damn thing |
| 18:54.37 | enouf | always presumed a route was a table :-P |
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| 18:54.46 | adama_ | graziano: hmm, ok well what are you trying to do, change the user name? You can edit /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow using vi as root. |
| 18:54.47 | jelly-home | d0ug: if you're not sure, reinstall. |
| 18:54.48 | stew | enouf: "route add -net 1.2.3.4 netmask ..." would be "add a route to the routing table" which is what I was guessing he was asking, /etc/iproute2 would be "i have two upstreams and I need another routing table" |
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| 18:55.04 | enouf | stew: ahh .. thanks much |
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| 18:55.46 | d0ug | the file is "for educational purposes only" .. maybe the cracker didn't violate the thing's EULA as he educated himself on my passwords apparently |
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| 18:55.59 | graziano | adama_, no, I want to be able, after I logged in into gnome with my username, to launch "Users and Groups" and "Network Admin" that should be "users-admin" and "network-admin" |
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| 18:57.26 | adama_ | graziano: bash: users-admin: command not found |
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| 18:58.17 | d0ug | i just want to know what this debiankiddie process is as it was using up all my processor since dec30th |
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| 18:58.26 | d0ug | can't find it on my system |
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| 18:59.32 | stew | d0ug: you know the pid? |
| 18:59.43 | adama_ | hmmm, I think my system is missing some packages... |
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| 19:00.12 | graziano | adama_, I have it as well as network-admin |
| 19:00.13 | adama_ | under System - Administration, there's only Synaptic and gparted |
| 19:00.42 | graziano | adama_, I don't know maybe debian mipsel is different but I don't think so |
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| 19:01.15 | cryingtux | hello |
| 19:01.31 | cryingtux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.44 | cryingtux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.10 | adama_ | graziano: sorry I can't really help as I don't have that application... try running it from the command line and google for the error(s) it produces |
| 19:03.27 | graziano | already done thanks |
| 19:05.33 | adama_ | graziano: you could also pastebin the errors here, someone might have some recommendations |
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| 19:07.10 | the1 | in mrxvt, certain characters of man pages like ‘\\ ’ appears as â€x80;˜x98;\â€x80;™x99; ? what could be wrong? |
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| 19:09.06 | jelly-home | the1: it's possible mrxvt doesn't support UTF-8 encoding yet |
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| 19:09.52 | stew | or perhaps needs command line switches for utf-8 |
| 19:10.45 | jelly-home | the one in etch didn't do utf8 |
| 19:11.11 | the1 | jelly-home: LC_CTYPE=en_US.iso-8859-1; export LC_CTYPE |
| 19:11.13 | the1 | fixed the problem. why? |
| 19:11.29 | jelly-home | the1: because you're not using UTF-8 any more |
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| 19:11.54 | the1 | but they were unicode characters, isn't it? |
| 19:12.11 | the1 | could you please explain me in detail what happened. i am new to Linux and Debian |
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| 19:14.04 | nsadmin | the1 in detail? not sure. but... this linux is capable of multiple writings from different countries... what you did was specify one |
| 19:14.17 | jelly-home | the1: a character not part of the 7-bit ASCII set can be coded as one or more bytes in different ways. A set of codes representing a subset of all (well, Unicode) characters is called "encoding". |
| 19:14.43 | the1 | ok |
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| 19:15.15 | the1 | so I mentioned in my shell with LC_CTYPE, that don't bother with unicode. interpret them as ISO-8859-1 characters (which are 8-bit codes) ? |
| 19:15.18 | jelly-home | the1: you told your apps to display only characters in iso-8859-1 set, and to use that encoding for the characters that can be represented in it |
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| 19:15.29 | nsadmin | so the codes in the encoding are mapped to unicode or mayube utf-8? |
| 19:15.35 | the1 | ok |
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| 19:16.19 | nsadmin | more specifically, you set "environment variables" which your apps read |
| 19:16.40 | jelly-home | UTF-8 is an encoding different from iso8859-1 one. Choosing it will make an app output different bytes for some characters, than if a different encoding is used. |
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| 19:17.29 | NickMind_XPBOX | how do you get all your enirorment variables? |
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| 19:17.36 | stew | NickMind_XPBOX: "env" |
| 19:17.43 | stew | or maybe "set" |
| 19:17.44 | nsadmin | so utf-8 and iso8859-1 are both encodings |
| 19:17.50 | jelly-home | right |
| 19:17.57 | NickMind_XPBOX | is that handle in a file or just memory? |
| 19:18.04 | nsadmin | and unicode is not? |
| 19:18.07 | jelly-home | NickMind_XPBOX: env |
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| 19:18.58 | babilen | nsadmin: unicode, or more precisely the aforementioned UTF-8, is an encoding just like the others |
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| 19:19.28 | NickMind_XPBOX | well "set" tell me a lot more then "env" |
| 19:19.35 | nsadmin | so there are "encodings"... what other things are there? |
| 19:19.48 | babilen | nsadmin: woman? |
| 19:19.55 | NickMind_XPBOX | is set telling me all env vars? |
| 19:20.23 | babilen | nsadmin: i do not really get the scope of your question. |
| 19:20.33 | nsadmin | babilen: on-topic things that are specific to internationalization :) |
| 19:20.53 | stew | NickMind_XPBOX: yes (and is telling you other things), 'env' doesn't include the 'other things' |
| 19:21.05 | jelly-home | NickMind_XPBOX: no, set will show all the current shell variables, whether they're exported as environment variables to the shell's children or not |
| 19:21.25 | jelly-home | heh |
| 19:21.30 | nsadmin | and env only the exported? |
| 19:21.35 | jelly-home | right |
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| 19:22.12 | dimm | what parameter og CFLAGS i can use for compilation on 'debian etch 4.0' on 'gcc 4.1.2' for low resources? |
| 19:22.30 | dimm | like -O0 |
| 19:22.34 | nsadmin | babilen: so there are encodings, fonts, character sets? |
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| 19:23.14 | nsadmin | you want the compile to operate in a low-resource env? or you want the generated code to operate in that env? |
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| 19:24.00 | nsadmin | you will also have to specify exactly what you mean by low resources |
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| 19:24.11 | babilen | nsadmin: what are we heading at? i mean there are a plethora of topics related to i18n like input methods, different scripts .. |
| 19:24.14 | pivot_ | using `openssl req -newkey ......` to create a .pem - how can i define the expiration date? ..i'd like to set it to 01/2012 |
| 19:24.50 | jelly-home | nsadmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set |
| 19:25.05 | NickMind_XPBOX | stew: thanks for the irssi client info. I like it already. |
| 19:25.09 | nsadmin | babilen: one thing, an encoding is a map to a (what?) |
| 19:25.22 | abrotman | pivot_: there is an ssl channel |
| 19:25.27 | jelly-home | nsadmin: characters to bytes. |
| 19:25.30 | pivot_ | ah, thank you |
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| 19:25.55 | nsadmin | so an encoding could be multibyte, and it maps to sequences of bytes? |
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| 19:26.12 | the1 | when I launch gnome-terminal, .bashrc is executed. however when I login through tty1, .bash_profile is executed. why is it like this? |
| 19:26.24 | jelly-home | nsadmin: yes. UTF-8 maps a character to one or more bytes, for example |
| 19:26.28 | babilen | nsadmin: an character encoding is a mapping from certain bytes to a certain character set |
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| 19:26.51 | dimm | nsadmin, i think, that i want the compile to operate in low-resource env. (something quota for me, 'ulimit -a' - http://dpaste.com/112279). |
| 19:26.55 | stew | the1: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 19:28.00 | babilen | nsadmin: it basically defines that for instance the character 'a' is encoded in binary as '110 0001' |
| 19:28.04 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm having problems receiving an email with an atachment on my debian server which is running postfix, a friend of mine who's trying to send the stuff over got the following error http://pastebin.ca/1316230 is this a bug or didn't I set some kind of parameter ? |
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| 19:28.34 | nsadmin | so is a character set necessarily limited to a byte index? |
| 19:28.44 | babilen | nsadmin: encodings differ in the mapping between these bytes and the corresponding character.. |
| 19:28.48 | nsadmin | it's not, it can't be, right? |
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| 19:29.15 | babilen | nsadmin: and the number of bits they use to encode characters |
| 19:29.23 | nsadmin | are there multiple encodings of plain ascii? |
| 19:29.28 | devilsF00d | my dev server running 5.0.45-Debian_1ubuntu3.3 started randomly giving me issues where some type of openDNS page I'm guessing a redirect because its not resolving... for some of the virtual hosts on the box. When I run traceroute on any of our subdomains i get hung up at: opendns.demarc.cogentco.com I'm pretty green when it comes to DNS and server admin in general but I was hoping someone could help me figure out if this |
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| 19:29.50 | babilen | nsadmin: ASCII is an encoding |
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| 19:30.15 | babilen | nsadmin: there are different encodings for the characters representable by ASCII though |
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| 19:30.34 | Kingstone | i have a question about dpkg, when i use dpkg -i, does it only extracts the archive and does the scripts or it also updates it so apt-get for example knows the package is installed/updated? |
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| 19:31.10 | nsadmin | .. dpkg -i does both "unpacking" and "configuring" of the package |
| 19:31.16 | stew | Kingstone: yes, after installing it with dpkg -i, the other package managers will know about it |
| 19:31.20 | nsadmin | these two are a complete install |
| 19:31.22 | the1 | i don't even need to so ISO-8859-1 to fix teh strange characters appearing in mrxvt. |
| 19:31.28 | the1 | export LC_CTYPE=en.US # itself fixes the problem |
| 19:31.41 | babilen | nsadmin: you might enjoy reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode |
| 19:31.54 | the1 | how can I find out what the default LC_CTYPE was before I did export LC_CTYPE=en.US ? |
| 19:32.11 | Kingstone | ok cool |
| 19:32.17 | Kingstone | so apt-get will know about it thanks |
| 19:32.33 | nsadmin | I've been an ascii user for so long, I was around through the changes but I don't really understand them well yet |
| 19:32.36 | babilen | the1: open a new shell and do 'echo $LC_CTYPE' |
| 19:32.37 | Kingstone | and the sources lists, it's what i put in /etc/apt ? |
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| 19:33.14 | the1 | babilen: then the output is void. so in such a case, what LC_CTYPE was being used by the system that it could not interpret the quotes in man pages properly? |
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| 19:33.38 | nsadmin | Kingstone: you put package source lines in /etc/apt/sources.list which is a file |
| 19:34.06 | Kingstone | are you guys familiar with C++ implementation of APT? do you know if debDebFile class can accomplish dpkg -i? |
| 19:34.27 | Kingstone | i want to use the apt library development to install my debs |
| 19:34.40 | Kingstone | from a program i'm building |
| 19:34.52 | nsadmin | Kingstone: if it can "unpack" and it can "configure" |
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| 19:34.55 | the1 | so if I make any changes in /opt/profile, then for that to apply to gnome-terminal when I open it, i must restart gdm once? |
| 19:35.29 | Kingstone | nsadmin, so you say if it extracts (unpack) and runs configure, than it's like dpkg -i? |
| 19:35.37 | the1 | because opening gnome-terminal does not run .bash_profile or /opt/profile. it simply runs .bashrc |
| 19:36.01 | the1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.25 | nsadmin | interesting, I have a /opt in my etch that I don't remember putting there :) |
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| 19:36.57 | stew | nsadmin: /opt is like /usr/local, i think he means /etc/profile |
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| 19:37.37 | the1 | is my reasoning correct? |
| 19:37.40 | the1 | yes, i meant /etc/profile |
| 19:37.59 | \amethyst | /etc/profile and .profile are sourced at the very beginning of your X session |
| 19:38.02 | \amethyst | not .bash_profile |
| 19:38.04 | nsadmin | is /etc/profile ever run on an x login (*dm) if a shell window is not called for? |
| 19:38.27 | nsadmin | oh, so yes |
| 19:38.32 | \amethyst | hm |
| 19:38.52 | \amethyst | actually, I guess for gdm, not xdm |
| 19:39.00 | \amethyst | presumably kdm does, too |
| 19:39.15 | nsadmin | so any vars exported by those scripts would be held in the session process |
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| 19:39.52 | \amethyst | indeed |
| 19:39.52 | Roconda | Hi, I use debian lenny and i've got a problem with PATH. PATH says no such file director, while all those maps do exists only /usr/local/sbin is empty. here is my path rule: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin: |
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| 19:40.20 | \amethyst | so I usually put things like PATH and MANPATH in .profile; then have my .bash_profile source both .profile and .bashrc |
| 19:40.37 | vsayikiran | how can i convert a hexadecimal number to decimal number, which tool i need to use in linux |
| 19:40.42 | nsadmin | Roconda debian packages don't put things in /usr/local |
| 19:40.49 | MiR_ | any idea how to use clamfs for _writing_ to a fs - only reading from sees virus |
| 19:40.59 | nsadmin | Roconda but you can |
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| 19:41.08 | \amethyst | vsayikiran: printf '%d\n' 0x33 |
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| 19:41.33 | Roconda | nsadmin: okay.. but I am compiling from the source right now .. but It gives my an error about PATH |
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| 19:41.46 | Roconda | i'll pastebin it if it's okay to you |
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| 19:41.53 | nsadmin | ok |
| 19:42.01 | vsayikiran | \amethyst: i am asking a converter kinda tool, i am not in a mood to write program |
| 19:42.15 | \amethyst | vsayikiran: printf is a command-line program too |
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| 19:42.36 | nsadmin | maybe make clean ; make > build.log 2>&1 |
| 19:42.49 | stew | vsayikiran: http://www.google.com/search?&q=0x1234+in+decimal |
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| 19:42.52 | nsadmin | and then pastebinning the build.log |
| 19:43.02 | Roconda | nsadmin: http://pastebin.ca/1316244 |
| 19:43.07 | Roconda | okay, sec |
| 19:43.11 | \amethyst | vsayikiran: or are you looking for a GUI tool? |
| 19:43.35 | Roconda | btw, thats the whole buildlog |
| 19:44.03 | vsayikiran | \amethyst: yes even a CLI tool like bc will aslo do, basically i am looking for some linux package |
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| 19:44.18 | amphi | vsayikiran: or bc eg "echo 'ibase=16; 33' | bc" |
| 19:44.23 | nsadmin | oh ok, it won't configure either because there's no pkg-config or there's no libopenssl |
| 19:44.27 | \amethyst | vsayikiran: printf is the easiest; it is part of coreutils |
| 19:44.40 | nsadmin | maybe both :) |
| 19:45.14 | amphi | vsayikiran: or "echo 'obase=16; 33' | bc" for decimal->hex |
| 19:45.33 | Roconda | nsadmin: is libopenssl only in ruby ? |
| 19:45.43 | nsadmin | nope |
| 19:45.54 | Roconda | hmm |
| 19:45.57 | nsadmin | it's used by far more things than just ruby |
| 19:46.04 | nsadmin | same for pkg-congig |
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| 19:46.25 | dclarke | hello. how do I get aptitude to work through a proxy ? |
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| 19:47.39 | dclarke | never mind ... doesn't matter really |
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| 19:47.50 | nsadmin | Roconda: try apt-get install openssl-dev |
| 19:47.59 | nsadmin | lessee, will that work... |
| 19:48.03 | valdyn | dclarke: http_proxy="http://domain.tld:<portnumber>/" aptitude ( or export http_proxy=... ) |
| 19:48.03 | mhymn | vsayikiran: gbase |
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| 19:48.10 | nsadmin | judd, versions openssl-dev |
| 19:48.11 | judd | nsadmin: openssl-dev -- |
| 19:48.21 | stew | judd: version libssl-dev |
| 19:48.21 | judd | stew: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 19:48.23 | nsadmin | nope... wrong name |
| 19:48.25 | stew | judd: versions libssl-dev |
| 19:48.27 | judd | stew: libssl-dev -- etch: 0.9.8c-4etch3 etch-security: 0.9.8c-4etch4 lenny: 0.9.8g-15 sid: 0.9.8g-15 |
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| 19:48.43 | nsadmin | is that openssl? |
| 19:48.47 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 19:48.49 | stew | yes |
| 19:48.51 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 19:49.06 | nsadmin | Roconda you heard em :) |
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| 19:49.13 | Roconda | thx :) |
| 19:49.29 | Roconda | btw, pkg-config is not installed either |
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| 19:49.36 | snurf | hello |
| 19:49.44 | mirko1 | ciao |
| 19:49.48 | nsadmin | it might get pulled in with that package |
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| 19:50.23 | nsadmin | you might also try apt-get build-dep ruby |
| 19:50.33 | Roconda | nsadmin: you were right |
| 19:50.46 | Roconda | it was pkg-config |
| 19:51.04 | snurf | I use iptables rules on a server, they work fine but with another server, they don't. why ? this would be a problem of kernel ? but the kernel is an official debian kernel... |
| 19:51.20 | nsadmin | that's what the build log says almost directly (that it was one of the two) |
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| 19:51.38 | Roconda | thank you both for the help |
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| 19:52.53 | Roconda | I am very sorry for wasting your time nsadmin |
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| 19:53.45 | nsadmin | no time wasted if you can now see that you are now able to solve a new class of problems |
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| 19:56.10 | valdyn | snurf: how would anyone know without seeing the rules? |
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| 19:57.28 | snurf | valdyn: http://snurf.info/iptables (the script is not clear ;)) |
| 19:57.33 | eyeris | I am trying to build a boot disk with the partimage client installed on it. I am using the live-helper toolchain. In config/chroot I add "partimage" to the LH_PACKAGES line, but when I build the boot image and boot from it, partimage is not included. |
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| 19:58.39 | Gnu_Raiz | Is anyone using sound over HDMI with a nvidia chipset? |
| 19:58.49 | eyeris | When I run lh_chroot_packages, it says 'skipping chroot_packages'. That seems to be my problem, but I can't tell why it is skipping. |
| 19:59.02 | Brutus|UA | hi, i just added another harddisk, external, and i wanted to fdisk and mount it. first i did fdisk -l, but then i saw it can't find my second harddisk (internal second) |
| 19:59.08 | Gnu_Raiz | I have a htpc hooked up with hdmi, but I have no sound and using nvidia drivers. |
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| 19:59.16 | Brutus|UA | harddisk is about 3 months old, i don't think it's broken |
| 19:59.23 | Brutus|UA | case hasn't been openend since |
| 19:59.42 | Gnu_Raiz | using kde, kmix shows the nvidia hardware, but no sound. |
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| 19:59.55 | Brutus|UA | now it can only find sda and sdb, not the sdb1 that i had |
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| 20:00.58 | stew | Brutus|UA: make sure the usb-storage and sd_mod kernel modules are loaded |
| 20:01.15 | Brutus|UA | no i found out when i wanted to hook an usb disk on the device, the one i'm missing is internal |
| 20:01.34 | Brutus|UA | can't even find it in /dev |
| 20:02.23 | Brutus|UA | Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes |
| 20:02.32 | Brutus|UA | Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 20:02.48 | Brutus|UA | i used to do Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 20:02.59 | Brutus|UA | wait |
| 20:03.03 | Brutus|UA | mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd2 |
| 20:03.05 | Brutus|UA | that |
| 20:03.12 | stew | what about that? |
| 20:03.13 | Brutus|UA | and now mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 20:03.16 | Brutus|UA | now that happends |
| 20:03.28 | stew | Brutus|UA: right, becuase /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 20:03.38 | Brutus|UA | yes, but sdb1 was my second harddisk, internal |
| 20:03.43 | Brutus|UA | i didn't change that |
| 20:03.55 | Brutus|UA | the case hasn't been opened in 3 months or so |
| 20:04.17 | Brutus|UA | the sdb doesn't contain partition info, but that's external |
| 20:04.18 | stew | Brutus|UA: they can change on you, which is why people would recommend that you use one of the links in /dev/disk/by-label/ or /dev/disk/by-uuid/ instead |
| 20:04.32 | stew | Brutus|UA: how do you know that sdb is the external disk? |
| 20:04.40 | Brutus|UA | how do i find my harddisk then? |
| 20:04.49 | Brutus|UA | stew: let me check that for sure one moment |
| 20:04.59 | stew | Brutus|UA: how many hard drives does this machine have connected in total? |
| 20:05.06 | Brutus|UA | 3 atm |
| 20:05.26 | Brutus|UA | i unplugged the external, and i only see the external now |
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| 20:05.43 | stew | Brutus|UA: how do you know that what you are seeing is the external one? |
| 20:05.43 | Brutus|UA | i do have a device called shm, don't know what that is, it's in /dev |
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| 20:05.57 | stew | Brutus|UA: how are the three drives connected? one is usb, what are the other two? |
| 20:06.06 | Brutus|UA | stew: sda is the one the OS is on, i did fdisk -l with and withouth usb disc attached |
| 20:06.14 | Brutus|UA | other two are sata |
| 20:06.19 | \amethyst | Brutus|UA: ls -l /dev/disk/by-id and pastebin that |
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| 20:07.13 | Brutus|UA | http://pastebin.com/m5758582c |
| 20:08.11 | balboah | Um, trying to install python-mysqldb for python2.5, which is says it's using. But it's still installed for 2.4. Should there be a more recent apt source without having to be "unstable" that I can use? |
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| 20:08.36 | \amethyst | Brutus|UA: yeah, looks like the kernel isn't seeing the second internal drive |
| 20:08.46 | Brutus|UA | ok, time to open it then i guess |
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| 20:11.32 | Brutus|UA | ohhh lol |
| 20:11.38 | Brutus|UA | guess cats can be a bad thing |
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| 20:12.07 | Brutus|UA | machine is on the floor, and suddenly the sata cable isn't attached anymore |
| 20:12.18 | Brutus|UA | only thing is, sata cable comes out of the case for a small part |
| 20:12.23 | Brutus|UA | doh! |
| 20:12.48 | Athunye | Hello. Does not Debian have the iptables module. Just iptable_nat ? |
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| 20:13.37 | \amethyst | Athunye: you mean the ip_tables kernel module? should be there |
| 20:13.43 | nsadmin | Athunye: look at your /boot/Config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:14.22 | nsadmin | btw if you want to do a nat router, you might look into ipmasq package |
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| 20:14.57 | Athunye | I want to run a simple firewall script. |
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| 20:15.18 | Athunye | but i get: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
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| 20:15.44 | \amethyst | Athunye: what command gives you that error? |
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| 20:16.06 | Athunye | \amethyst: /etc/init.d/my_iptables restart |
| 20:16.15 | \amethyst | Athunye: in the script in mean |
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| 20:16.31 | nsadmin | Athunye: run each command separately |
| 20:16.43 | \amethyst | Athunye: if it's a shell script you can try running it with bash -x /etc/init.d/my_iptables restart |
| 20:16.46 | stew | Athunye: run "bash -x /etc/init.d/my_iptables restart" and tell us which command makes it spit out that error |
| 20:16.46 | Athunye | I guess it is in the first line, modprobe iptables |
| 20:16.52 | \amethyst | Athunye: it is not |
| 20:17.01 | newsense | Atherton, i prefer usind ifup.d to run iptables-restore to load an iptables ruleset in iptables-save format personally |
| 20:17.03 | \amethyst | Athunye: that error is coming from the iptables command |
| 20:17.29 | nsadmin | Athunye: in this case, guessing isnt' helpful |
| 20:17.33 | karme | Athunye: the suggestion with -x by \amethyst is a really good one |
| 20:17.44 | \amethyst | Athunye: though I do think the module is called ip_tables not iptables, the error from modprobe would look like 'FATAL: Module iptables not found.' |
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| 20:18.12 | Athunye | Yes. I thing the error is because the module is not iptables, but ip_tables. |
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| 20:18.22 | karme | Athunye: no |
| 20:18.34 | nsadmin | not "I think", "I know because I just tested it" |
| 20:18.45 | \amethyst | the error is because the iptables program is being given a bad chain name |
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| 20:19.07 | \amethyst | that could possibly occur as a result of the module not being loaded, but I doubt it |
| 20:20.16 | \amethyst | running iptables the first time should load the correct modules without any manual intervention |
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| 20:21.18 | Athunye | http://pastebin.com/d188b5d3d |
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| 20:21.41 | dmajnem2 | my resolv.conf is not automatically generated, how do I change this? |
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| 20:21.54 | Athunye | Hmm I think forgot an -j |
| 20:22.16 | eyeris | Should the api documentation for (require) say "root resource <classpath>/x/y/z.clj" instead of "root resource <classpath>/x/y/z/z.clj"? |
| 20:22.26 | eyeris | That seems to be what I see in real libs. |
| 20:22.34 | eyeris | erm, wrong channel :) |
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| 20:25.02 | bobthefish | hello |
| 20:25.25 | adama_ | Athunye: yes you are missing -j on line 14, and you don't need any modprobe command |
| 20:25.43 | the1 | when I installed xfce4-terminal, it automatically installed libxfce4mcs-manager3, libxfce4util4, etc. but now if I aptitude purge xfce4-terminal, it does not remove the libs. |
| 20:26.02 | the1 | so what is the best way to remove these automatically installed files when nothing depends on them any more? |
| 20:26.07 | adama_ | Athunye: also you have both --destination-port and --dport... not sure if both are correct |
| 20:26.29 | Athunye | adama_: I am checking the spelling... |
| 20:26.36 | adama_ | Athunye: you should also set policy |
| 20:26.38 | adama_ | -P |
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| 20:27.05 | adama_ | just run each command on its own to see if they are correct |
| 20:27.23 | Athunye | adama_: OK. Thanks |
| 20:27.54 | adama_ | the1: apt-get should tell you they were automatically installed and are no longer needed |
| 20:28.05 | stew | Athunye: there is no nead to run each command on its own if you see the 'bash -x' suggestions above |
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| 20:28.26 | the1 | adama_: but I am using aptitude. i have been advised not to mix usage of apt-get and aptitude. |
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| 20:28.58 | the1 | tried apt-get remove xfce4-terminal also |
| 20:29.14 | the1 | it doesn't suggest that I should remove the automatically installed libs also |
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| 20:29.47 | stew | the1: it will if apt-get is version 0.7 or newer |
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| 20:30.14 | the1 | stew: apt 0.7.20 for amd64 compiled on Jan 5 2009 19:37:28 |
| 20:31.11 | the1 | # apt-get remove xfce4-terminal |
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| 20:31.12 | the1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.12 | the1 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 35 not upgraded. |
| 20:31.12 | narhen | Anyone who can help me? My sound is gone. Last night the sound worked just fine. But when I turned on my pc today the sound did not work. I reinstalled the driver (http://tinyurl.com/b9gm5p) with no luck. anyone who can help me? |
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| 20:31.20 | the1 | it is not trying to remove the automatically installed packages. |
| 20:31.46 | stew | the1: oh, perhaps you'd have to run apt-get autoremove. i dunno, i'd suggest just sticking to aptitude |
| 20:31.46 | psymin | debian is a distro I haven't worked with much, which package should I install if cpan won't build stuff? |
| 20:31.46 | the1 | ok |
| 20:32.09 | Athunye | The wrong line was: iptables -A FORWARD -m unclean -j DROP |
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| 20:32.26 | stew | psymin: use dh-make-perl to build cpan modules into .deb packages but only after you've made sure the module isn't already packaged (many are) |
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| 20:37.00 | adama_ | Athunye: It does not appear that that command is necessary, since it is looking for a mark, and there's no command that sets that mark, if I understand correctly |
| 20:37.26 | the1 | 'who am i' in mrxvt does not produce any output. whereas 'who am i' in gnome-terminal produces output. what could be the reason? |
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| 20:38.59 | adama_ | Athunye: sorry, that is not marking syntax |
| 20:39.22 | Athunye | adama_: Don't worry. I'm just learning this stuff. |
| 20:39.56 | stew | -m is match not mark |
| 20:40.18 | adama_ | yes |
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| 20:40.39 | adama_ | it appears matching "unclean" is not supported yet? |
| 20:41.41 | SQlvpapir | the gnome cpu scaling monitor panel shows BOTH 2GHz and 2,00Ghz.. any tips for removing the duplicate? |
| 20:41.52 | psymin | stew: I'm missing something .. http://rafb.net/p/crKDeE96.html |
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| 20:42.15 | stew | psymin: aptitude install libwww-curl-perl |
| 20:42.22 | psymin | stew: its too old |
| 20:42.27 | psymin | need a newer one |
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| 20:43.03 | psymin | there is just one vital dep that I'm missing to make cpan compile perl modules :) |
| 20:43.07 | psymin | I think? |
| 20:43.10 | stew | psymin: what version do you need? |
| 20:43.23 | psymin | WWW-Curl-4.05 should work |
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| 20:43.28 | psymin | I think 4.x works |
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| 20:43.49 | stew | psymin: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 20:44.30 | psymin | ssb? |
| 20:44.36 | stew | !ssb |
| 20:44.36 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 20:44.39 | psymin | ahh |
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| 20:45.23 | _tydeas_ | which kernel version debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso has?????????????????????? |
| 20:45.37 | stew | psymin: actually, no, nevermind that |
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| 20:45.47 | orbii | new to debian, like really new new, be nice if someone pointed me what package to get for someone running mac book pro + vmware :) need to learn how to admin in a debian env for apache, mysql/postgres, ruby etc etc |
| 20:45.54 | dondelelcaro | _tydeas_: 2.6.26 |
| 20:45.55 | stew | psymin: i do not think that getting curl version 4 is going to be straightforward |
| 20:46.04 | _tydeas_ | dondelelcaro thnx |
| 20:46.24 | psymin | stew: I did it on etch last week .. but I forgot which dep it needed :) |
| 20:46.32 | stew | psymin: well, you are first going to have to backport the curl libraries |
| 20:46.42 | stew | psymin: ok |
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| 20:49.08 | Edico | there is a problem if I remove the files from /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 20:49.21 | stew | Edico: no |
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| 20:49.40 | psymin | neat, got it working .. :D |
| 20:49.43 | stew | Edico: also, apt-get and aptitude have 'clean' and 'autoclean' commands that will do this for you |
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| 20:50.21 | stew | Edico: but you should always be able to safely remove files from /var/cache, but don't delete directories from /var/cache unless you know exactly what you are doing |
| 20:50.40 | Edico | aha |
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| 20:50.45 | Edico | thanks stew |
| 20:50.59 | mhymn | stew: what's the difference then? 'aptitude clean' or manually removing .debs |
| 20:51.11 | psychonate | Just got a mouse with a wheel that can be pushed left or right, as well as scroll up and down. I've already got the z-axis mapping for the scrolling. What do I need to put in my xorg.conf mouse section to define mouse wheel left and right as additional buttons? |
| 20:51.25 | stew | mhymn: i don't know, unless 'clean' also cleans partial |
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| 20:52.00 | mhymn | stew: OK, thanks |
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| 20:55.56 | bluethundr | I think I made a poor choice in choosing Debian :( |
| 20:56.09 | narhen | why bluethundr? |
| 20:56.15 | bluethundr | at least insofar as I foolishly trusted running Lenny |
| 20:56.29 | raz0 | trusted how? |
| 20:56.32 | stew | bluethundr: is there something we could help you with? |
| 20:56.32 | bluethundr | I decided to go with Debian Lenny because I wanted the latest greatest repos |
| 20:56.42 | bluethundr | I was using it as my web and mail server |
| 20:56.48 | bluethundr | well, I hope so |
| 20:56.57 | bluethundr | if not I will have to migrate to ubuntu server |
| 20:57.06 | bluethundr | randomly and seemingly without reason |
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| 20:57.27 | thims | wonders if bluethundr knows ubuntu is debian based |
| 20:57.29 | stew | bluethundr: what is it that we could help you with? |
| 20:57.32 | raz0 | Instead of ranting, perhaps tell us your problem? |
| 20:57.42 | bluethundr | my Debian Lenny server loses the ability to accept incoming network connections on all network ports |
| 20:57.53 | bluethundr | outbound networking remains functional |
| 20:58.05 | bluethundr | and yes I am well aware that Ubuntu is debian based |
| 20:58.13 | bluethundr | I am most versant on debian distros |
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| 20:58.45 | stew | bluethundr: and you have no idea what is changing between when you can and cannot accept incoming connections? |
| 20:58.48 | bluethundr | but given the random networking failures on Lenny and the outdated repos on Etch, I am thinking of going with a more modern Debian based distro |
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| 20:59.02 | bluethundr | right |
| 20:59.07 | bluethundr | this started happening suddenly |
| 20:59.14 | bluethundr | without any apparent cause |
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| 20:59.27 | thedonvaughn | bluethundr: a) what do u need for your server that is outdated on etch? and b) Any actual data or proof of what's going on and when? logs anything? |
| 20:59.38 | bluethundr | I run a web and mail server using mysql and php so naturally those things change |
| 20:59.43 | stew | bluethundr: can you get the output of "ifconfig ; route -n ; iptables -L -n -v" from both when it is working and when it isn't working? |
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| 21:00.13 | bluethundr | I will try that.. I am at work right now and the server is at home.. site is down and I am at wits end |
| 21:00.32 | stew | bluethundr: can you ping it? |
| 21:00.34 | bluethundr | the repos on etch that are outdated are twiki and I believe postfix and mysq; |
| 21:00.40 | bluethundr | no, no pings, no ssh |
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| 21:01.15 | bluethundr | last time this happened I tried digging my site and that worked |
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| 21:01.27 | thedonvaughn | bluethundr: no i know they may actually be behind in version number, but be weary of wanting an os just to be latest and greatest. stability should be your #1 concern for a server imo. But to each his own i say. Give ubuntu a shot. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say your problem doesn't sound OS related at all. sounds like either hardware or datalink problem. |
| 21:01.27 | bluethundr | then I tried surfing with lynx (no gui installed) |
| 21:01.29 | bluethundr | all that worked |
| 21:01.56 | bluethundr | oh really |
| 21:01.58 | bluethundr | could be |
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| 21:02.19 | thedonvaughn | ie. eth card crapping out, actual datalink is disconnected from telco/isp, etc |
| 21:02.19 | stew | doesn't sound hardware related to me |
| 21:02.32 | bluethundr | I am running the server off an old ibm x40 thinkpad because that was the only hardware I had at the time that I needed to get the site up in a jiffy |
| 21:02.42 | bluethundr | I have since bought beefier hardware |
| 21:02.55 | stew | bluethundr: just to clarify. when the problem occurs, you are able to make outgoing connections, but not incoming connections? |
| 21:02.56 | bluethundr | I was going to do another site and postfix server and I was going to use lenny again |
| 21:03.01 | bluethundr | but after this, I'm not so sure |
| 21:03.09 | bluethundr | right |
| 21:03.19 | thedonvaughn | oh sorry i misunderstood. didn't realize you could make outgoing connections from it |
| 21:03.26 | stew | bluethundr: then i really doubt it is hardware, i'd guess it is a firewall |
| 21:03.26 | thedonvaughn | so it's _ONLY_ inbound direction. |
| 21:03.39 | bluethundr | exactly, only inbound connections are crapping out |
| 21:03.42 | stew | bluethundr: can you tell me the ip of the server? |
| 21:03.56 | bluethundr | a quick reboot of the server and everything comes back up again\ |
| 21:04.01 | thedonvaughn | yah i take back my diagnosis that it's hardware then. i'm with stew, either routing or firewall. prolly not routing if you can get out |
| 21:04.04 | bluethundr | 96.57.117.26 |
| 21:04.07 | stew | bluethundr: note that i've never heard of a problem like this on lenny before, i don't think that you should assume that all lenny servers would act this way |
| 21:04.26 | stew | bluethundr: are you sure its not optonline doing it? |
| 21:04.44 | bluethundr | no, I can't be certain |
| 21:04.53 | bluethundr | and I may be rushing to judgement, I grant you |
| 21:04.57 | bluethundr | my router is kinda crappy |
| 21:05.14 | bluethundr | but the last time this happened, I rebooted the server not the router and it came back up |
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| 21:05.49 | stew | bluethundr: it would help immensely if you were actually able to run commands on the machine we are tryin got diagnose |
| 21:06.12 | bluethundr | yeah, I understand |
| 21:06.29 | bluethundr | however I tend to freak when my site dies and I lunge for the reboot |
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| 21:06.42 | bluethundr | but now I realize that is not helping the forensics of the situation |
| 21:06.53 | thedonvaughn | yah won't find the root cause, that's for sure :) |
| 21:07.15 | thedonvaughn | bluethundr: so if you go home right now, with the machine in it's current state, and you logged onto a console you could get out through it? |
| 21:07.23 | thedonvaughn | it seems completely down with the ip you gave |
| 21:07.24 | bluethundr | yes |
| 21:08.01 | stew | bluethundr: are you normally able to ping your router? |
| 21:08.07 | bluethundr | I guarantee when I get home, I will be able to log onto the box and ping the universe, use dig and all that good stuff |
| 21:08.23 | bluethundr | yes, I am normally able to ping my router |
| 21:08.27 | stew | bluethundr: can you now? |
| 21:08.29 | thedonvaughn | gotta be firewall, so strange |
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| 21:08.59 | bluethundr | hmmm.. so you think it's more likely the firewall than the server? |
| 21:09.12 | bluethundr | think I should have someone reboot the firewall and see if it comes back up? |
| 21:09.13 | thedonvaughn | well firewall on the server. could be either or |
| 21:09.16 | thedonvaughn | hard to tell when you're not there |
| 21:09.27 | bluethundr | yeah, exactly |
| 21:09.28 | yareckon | hey guys... anyone here familiar enough with the ltsp (terminal server) project to counsel me on a home project? |
| 21:09.34 | bluethundr | although I rely on a hardware firewall |
| 21:09.36 | stew | bluethundr: i think it is likely to be SOME firewall, whether that is a local firewall (which is why i'd check iptables -L -n -v), your router, or some firewall at optonline |
| 21:09.50 | yareckon | I have an old powerbook 1400 (nubus) that I used to play around with... |
| 21:09.52 | bluethundr | hmmm.. good point |
| 21:10.21 | bluethundr | any commands you can think of I can run to help me diagnose the source of the problem when I get back home? |
| 21:10.40 | bluethundr | this sucks, because I'm just getting to the point now where people are actually starting to use my site! |
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| 21:11.12 | yareckon | I want to run it with the debian sarge install that I got it working on last year... but only as a client to ltsp server session |
| 21:11.38 | yareckon | the server will be running sid, therefore allowing modern apps on my old machine |
| 21:11.49 | bluethundr | maybe it's finally time to invest in that sonicwall |
| 21:11.56 | stew | bluethundr: the iptables one to see if there are local rules. you can use tcpdump to see if the traffic gets to your computer at all. if not, try rebooting your router. perhaps try asking your isp |
| 21:12.07 | yareckon | what do the clients need to join an ltsp server session? |
| 21:12.15 | stew | bluethundr: perhaps its time to invest in a hosting account on a server with real connectivity |
| 21:12.21 | yareckon | and can you do it from sarge > sid? |
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| 21:12.48 | yareckon | Imagine so, but dont know if anyone can help me think through the pieces I need... |
| 21:12.50 | bluethundr | heh... maybe, but I like the rootin tootin sensation of rolling your own server and running it from home.. I'm a cowboy lol |
| 21:13.08 | stew | yareckon: you are asking if you can upgrade from sarge->sid? |
| 21:13.14 | yareckon | nope |
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| 21:13.42 | yareckon | stew, I have a powerboo 1400 nubus mac that I painstakingly got running sarge last year |
| 21:13.50 | stew | yareckon: you are asking if you can use a sarge machine as a ltsp client to a sid server? |
| 21:13.57 | yareckon | indeedy |
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| 21:14.51 | yareckon | are there any showstopping issues, or is it all your basic X windows session |
| 21:16.08 | yareckon | I don't have a lot of experience opening remote sessions |
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| 21:19.49 | Athunye | So, what is the recommended way to get iptables on boot time ? |
| 21:20.26 | stew | Athunye: call a script that protects an interface from a pre-up line in the stanza for that interface in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:27.41 | alperkanat | hey there... i need git 1.6.1.x - but debian repositories don't have it... is there an easy way to install it using the packaging system? |
| 21:28.49 | vsayikiran | does irc server and irc client have different set of commands? |
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| 21:30.11 | dimm | vsayikiran, what do you mean? |
| 21:30.48 | vsayikiran | dimm: i was reading this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_commands |
| 21:31.46 | vsayikiran | dimm: in #linux channel someone told me that pidgin is not a standard client becoz it does not implement all commands as defined in rfc's |
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| 21:32.16 | vsayikiran | dimm: for example if i run /ignore id doesnt work here |
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| 21:33.13 | dimm | vsayikiran, may be pidgin have alias for /ignore |
| 21:33.34 | vsayikiran | dimm: they also told me its a client side command, so i asked you whether there are two set of command for client and server |
| 21:34.08 | stew | vsayikiran: yes, there are different commands for clients and servers. |
| 21:34.11 | vsayikiran | dimm: what alias does it use? i am unable to figure out |
| 21:35.06 | stew | vsayikiran: there does happen to be a server side equivalent of /ignore, which is 'silence' |
| 21:35.08 | dimm | i not use pidgin, it is a good program, but i like weechat or xchat or kvirc |
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| 21:38.20 | vsayikiran | hi |
| 21:38.27 | vsayikiran | hi |
| 21:38.29 | NickMind_XPBOX | hety |
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| 21:39.25 | vsayikiran | test |
| 21:39.55 | adama_ | !test |
| 21:39.55 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 21:41.05 | vsayikiran | test |
| 21:41.14 | dimm | passed |
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| 21:43.40 | NickMind_XPBOX | test passed but, vsayikiran is failng. |
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| 21:44.27 | infinity2 | hi |
| 21:44.50 | infinity2 | hi2 |
| 21:44.57 | NickMind_XPBOX | hey |
| 21:45.12 | NickMind_XPBOX | what are you testing |
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| 21:48.07 | wd | looking for a non java p2p client similiar to limewire/frostwire any suggestions? |
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| 21:48.23 | wd | i guess gnutella |
| 21:48.24 | aphexer | I made some modifications to some package, and to deploy these on some servers, I want to make a custom package of it. (So it's a little patched in regard to the version in debian). What version number do I give this package? I don't want apt to update this package to a new one from debian itself, since that one won't include my modifications... |
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| 21:49.19 | aphexer | currently it uses 2.2.9-10+lenny2 |
| 21:49.45 | stew | aphexer: use something like "2.2.9-10+lenny2+somepatch1" or "2.2.9-10+lenny2+aphexer1" ot some such |
| 21:49.47 | aphexer | I could call mine ...+lenny2.1, but won't apt-get upgrade it then when a new one comes out? |
| 21:50.05 | stew | aphexer: then put the package on hold: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:50.31 | aphexer | stew: ok, so there is no other way besides putting it on hold then? |
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| 21:50.39 | aphexer | using some versioning magic |
| 21:50.41 | stew | aphexer: you could use pinning (man apt_preferences) |
| 21:50.46 | aphexer | ok |
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| 21:51.23 | stew | aphexer: there are pathalogical things you could do with version numbers, such as giving it a large epoch, i guess |
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| 21:52.10 | aphexer | ah yes, calling it 999.2.2.9-10+lenny2 ;) but ok, I guess putting it on hold is more apropriate |
| 21:52.19 | aphexer | thanks:) |
| 21:52.33 | valdyn | aphexer: debian uses x: in the version for this |
| 21:53.20 | aphexer | valdyn: ah I should call it x:2.2.9-10+lenny2? |
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| 21:53.33 | aphexer | I must have missed that 'x' part while reading the versioning docs... |
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| 21:54.30 | cantido | If I mount an fs inside an nfs export clients can't see that extra fs.. is there anyway to make it work? |
| 21:54.58 | valdyn | aphexer: yes, except that i meant x as a placeholder for a number |
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| 21:56.02 | batcoder-7 | anyone here ever use curlftpfs ? |
| 21:56.11 | cantido | !anyone |
| 21:56.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 21:56.52 | valdyn | aphexer: like that : xnest 2:1.4.2-10 |
| 21:57.12 | Gimic | hi, how can i recompile kernel without versioning? |
| 21:57.26 | valdyn | Gimic: why? |
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| 21:58.19 | aphexer | valdyn: ah yes, but the maintainer might once decide to go increase this x: number, so I guess the safer thing would be holding it using dpkg |
| 21:58.20 | Gimic | i'm setting up mythtv and i have todo instmod of a module |
| 21:58.52 | Gimic | dvbloopback doesn't support module versioning. Either force load the module or recompile your kernel with versioning off. |
| 21:59.18 | Gimic | the flag -f doenst do the trick |
| 21:59.31 | batcoder-7 | i am having issues with curlftpfs |
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| 22:00.13 | cantido | batcoder-7: you might want to explain A: what you're doing and B: what doesn't happen as you expect/want |
| 22:00.43 | valdyn | aphexer: yea, probably, though 99: or even 9: should be save for the next decades |
| 22:02.14 | aphexer | valdyn: ah yeah, didn't think of it that way. Thanks :) |
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| 22:03.22 | Gimic | valdyn can it be done, could you point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:04.39 | M005E | are debian binaries compiled with ssp? |
| 22:05.59 | stew | as it turns out, 9 is the highest epoch i can find, and I only see one package in debian with an epoch of 9, which is cdrkit |
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| 22:10.14 | valdyn | Gimic: you have to recompile a kernel and the switch you are looking for is CONFIG_MODVERSIONS or in makemenuconfig in the topmost menu entry |
| 22:10.51 | Gimic | ok, tnx, i'l give it a try |
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| 22:11.14 | innovate2000 | cdrom deosn't work :: "mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read only mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 is not a directory" - My fstab (for the cdrom mount item): /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0 :: I've already chmod & chown'ed /dev/scd0 - I don't know what else to do - can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 22:11.27 | M005E | i am assuming that yes, but i can't find anything from googling |
| 22:11.54 | valdyn | innovate2000: /media/cdrom0 is not a directory : how is that misunderstandable? |
| 22:12.10 | valdyn | innovate2000: why the hell are you messing with permissions |
| 22:12.42 | M005E | -fstack-protector is what i am refering to |
| 22:13.16 | innovate2000 | valdyn: I read online from someone else who had a similar prob and fixed it by resetting the permissions on the block device (yes I am aware that this is not a directory) |
| 22:13.57 | cantido | innovate2000: it says pretty cleary the problem is that /media/cdrom0 isnt a dir |
| 22:14.08 | stew | M005E: although there might be some maintainers that have added this to their packages, its certainly not the case that all debian packages are built this way |
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| 22:14.14 | stew | M005E: and I doubt many if any are |
| 22:14.41 | eyeris | I am trying to build a boot disk with the partimage client installed on it. I am using the live-helper toolchain. In config/chroot I add "partimage" to the LH_PACKAGES line, but when I build the boot image and boot from it, partimage is not included. |
| 22:15.07 | innovate2000 | valdyn: I am faily new to Linux (built a few 15 boxes (workstations and servers)) and am getting better - but this issue I cannot figure out. the cdrom just stopped working and every time I load an image or disk, the drive spins and reads, but then fails |
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| 22:15.36 | cantido | innovate2000: a mount point needs to be a directory |
| 22:16.03 | simonrvn | or a symlink to one ;p |
| 22:16.31 | cantido | innovate2000: its spinning up because its checking the filesystem then when it attempts to mount it, it finds something it doesnt like |
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| 22:16.48 | cantido | simonrvn: maybe he's deleted what cdrom0 used to point to :/ |
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| 22:17.37 | innovate2000 | so should I mkdir /media/cdrom0? I was under the impression that as a block device this wouldn't be a directory - all of the items in teh folder have question marks associated with them. If the possibility exists that something happened to change not only this but other elements, is there anything I can do to repair this? |
| 22:17.46 | jimi_hendrix | just curious about how easy it is to get into debian...on a scale of one to ten can i get a rating? (1 being ubuntu easy 10 being arch) |
| 22:18.02 | cantido | has cdrom as a symlink to cdrom0 |
| 22:18.32 | cantido | innovate2000: block devices are in /dev... /media/cdrom0 is a *mount point* |
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| 22:18.37 | innovate2000 | cantido: wouldn't /dev/scd0 already be the link? |
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| 22:18.48 | cantido | innovate2000: no |
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| 22:20.03 | Spida | where do I get a debian-package that contains arm-elf-gcc? |
| 22:20.11 | cantido | innovate2000: /dev/scd0 is a special file that points to a block device, you want to mount the filesystem on that blockdevice to a *mountpoint*. mountpoint == a directory an fs gets attached too |
| 22:20.20 | innovate2000 | I will mkdir /media/cdrom0 and reboot to see if fstab does what it's supposed to |
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| 22:20.48 | cantido | Spida: if its not in standard debian, you might need to add the embedian or whatever it's called repo |
| 22:20.49 | eyeris | innovate2000 why reboot? |
| 22:20.55 | jimi_hendrix | also can you use fglrx in debian or no? |
| 22:20.56 | cantido | innovate2000: you don't need to reboot |
| 22:21.01 | eyeris | mount -o remount -a |
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| 22:21.24 | innovate2000 | oh - I thought I read that anytime you mess with fstab you needed to reboot - oh well |
| 22:21.26 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: there's no reason you cant |
| 22:21.42 | jimi_hendrix | someone just told me debian doesnt like binary drivers so... |
| 22:21.42 | cantido | innovate2000: that would be pretty shit wouldn't it? |
| 22:21.43 | eyeris | innovate2000 Nope. That is the foolproof way to test your changes though. |
| 22:21.57 | innovate2000 | thanks for the tip - you guys are realy cool here - not condescending or stuff like that - thanks a lot |
| 22:22.15 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: not within the debian packages, but you can install whatever you like |
| 22:22.29 | jimi_hendrix | easy to do? |
| 22:22.45 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: debian haven't added a kernel module that prevent you loading binary drivers |
| 22:22.56 | Spida | cantido: even there I dind't find it. |
| 22:23.04 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: I have a feeling google'ing what help you |
| 22:23.08 | EmleyMoor | No harder than with slackware, to be sure! |
| 22:23.10 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: s/what/would |
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| 22:23.42 | jimi_hendrix | ok...ive only used ubuntu and arch...so ubuntu gives you fglrx via gui and arch gives it to you with pacman... |
| 22:23.44 | innovate2000 | other rooms they make you feel like an idiot for asking anything (or you need to be friends with the other members to get help) - I just am glad you guys are cool and are willing to help those willing to learn |
| 22:23.56 | sdsds | helo is there any software on debian to use audio/video conference on yahoo messenger? |
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| 22:24.28 | cantido | Spida: there is tool to build a cross compiler setup, but I was sure the arm stuff was all there.. for people building stuff for the NSLU2 |
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| 22:25.31 | innovate2000 | after doing mkdir - should I reset the root:cdrom permissions? |
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| 22:25.40 | M005E | ok thanks for the info |
| 22:25.40 | cantido | Spida: http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crossdev.html |
| 22:26.00 | aphexer | I did apt-get source package. How do I build just one package from all the many packages this one source package produces? |
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| 22:26.47 | stew | aphexer: you'd have to edit the control file |
| 22:27.00 | aphexer | stew: like removing all the packages I'm not interested in? |
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| 22:27.23 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: fglrx-driver - non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx, r7xx display driver |
| 22:27.25 | innovate2000 | cantido: I don't knowif it was you who asked me why i was messing with permissions for /media/cdrom0 - but since I deleted the object that was there (not a folder) and recreated it, should I reset the permissions for the object? |
| 22:27.33 | stew | aphexer: that's what I meant. there could possibly be another way. i don't know of one |
| 22:27.37 | Brutus|UA | how can i make debian sync with ntp? |
| 22:27.42 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: from apt-cache search on my machine running sid |
| 22:27.46 | Brutus|UA | anyone got a good tutorial on that? |
| 22:27.50 | aphexer | stew: ok thanks. |
| 22:27.57 | stew | Brutus|UA: "aptitude install ntp" |
| 22:28.04 | cantido | innovate2000: permissions on mountpoints don't matter IIRC.. |
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| 22:28.26 | innovate2000 | cantido: thanks |
| 22:28.41 | Brutus|UA | stew: yes and then? :S |
| 22:28.50 | Brutus|UA | i don't know how to configure it |
| 22:29.00 | cantido | innovate2000: the stuff you changed in /dev should fix itself next type you reboot I think.. so I wouldn't worry too much. just dont do it again ;) |
| 22:29.10 | dandc | I migrated to a new box, and imported my prior mysql backup, but now /etc/init.d/mysql stop/start is broken. How can I fix this? |
| 22:29.33 | dandc | I'm guessing it's just changing the password of the debian system maint user, but I have no idea what to change TO. |
| 22:29.40 | stew | Brutus|UA: the default configuration should be fine |
| 22:29.43 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, so i can just sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver and it will work? |
| 22:29.49 | stew | Brutus|UA: you shouldn't have to do anything else |
| 22:29.50 | cantido | dandc: its in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf I think |
| 22:30.03 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: I've never used it, so I can't tell you |
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| 22:30.10 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: but, yeah, probably |
| 22:30.31 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 22:30.46 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: if it works for ubuntu ( rsync ftp.debian.org ftp.ubuntu... ) why shouldn't it work for debian? |
| 22:30.50 | Brutus|UA | stew: oh, cause it's 5 hours off |
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| 22:31.23 | EmleyMoor | Brutus|UA: Timezone set right? |
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| 22:31.54 | Brutus|UA | i dunno |
| 22:31.54 | Brutus|UA | oh it's cst :S |
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| 22:32.01 | dandc | thats it thanks cantido :) |
| 22:32.13 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, well...ubuntu might do something behind the scenes with their hardware installer program... |
| 22:32.31 | stew | Brutus|UA: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 22:33.04 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: you mean the same in-kernel hardware detection and userland scripts that every other linux distro uses? ie hotplug and friends |
| 22:33.10 | Brutus|UA | ok let me see what dpkg has to say about it :) |
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| 22:34.13 | Brutus|UA | ok i did the dpkg-reconfigure tzdate, and that worked |
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| 22:34.26 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: unless you still have a machine with isa or something that has to be probed |
| 22:34.27 | Brutus|UA | will it autosave that, or if there is a reboot, will it change back? |
| 22:34.57 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, i dont know what isa is so i will say no...ok...ill install debian this weekend (last time i tried i couldnt get wifi working |
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| 22:35.18 | stew | Brutus|UA: it will save it |
| 22:35.24 | stew | Brutus|UA: it should be in /etc/timezone now |
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| 22:35.54 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: that's either: there are no drivers for your hardware, you need firmware for drivers in the kernel, or you need to build some out-of-kernel module with module-assitant |
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| 22:36.10 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: module-assistant |
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| 22:36.32 | Brutus|UA | ahh indeed it is |
| 22:36.40 | Nostahl | hey all. i got grub2 setup and i see there is no menu.lst im in grub.cfg now i just did some edits and ran grub-update and it overwritten the changes i made. any idea's? |
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| 22:37.55 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: if you tell us what card you have, maybe give us your lspci output or lsusb if its a usb dongle, we can tell you how to make it work ;) |
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| 22:40.44 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, i had some card that has only worked in very few distros...command to find card (havnt used linux in a month due to computer breakage) |
| 22:40.46 | jason_ | how do i upgrade to the most recent version of PHP? |
| 22:40.54 | jason_ | its not in the repos |
| 22:41.04 | jason_ | its just 5.2.0 |
| 22:41.13 | cantido | jason_: lenny? |
| 22:41.19 | jason_ | etch |
| 22:41.44 | cantido | jason_: you'll need a backport, or just upgrade to lenny |
| 22:41.54 | jason_ | hmm |
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| 22:41.57 | cantido | jason_: Version: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1 |
| 22:42.00 | alsd | hi there |
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| 22:42.16 | jason_ | thanks cantido |
| 22:42.28 | cantido | jason_: etch is stable so only gets security updates. no major changes ;) |
| 22:44.08 | Spida | cantido: there is arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc and arm-linux-gnu-gcc, but this is not arm-elf-gcc, is it? |
| 22:44.23 | Brutus|UA | yay i found out how to format harddisks in debian :) |
| 22:44.29 | abrotman | mkfs ? |
| 22:44.32 | Brutus|UA | when it's done, i have 5TB :) |
| 22:44.40 | cantido | Spida: what is your target? |
| 22:44.42 | Brutus|UA | yes, took me a while to find that :) |
| 22:45.02 | Brutus|UA | mke2fs btw |
| 22:45.08 | Spida | cantido: an atmel at91sam7s256 (arm) |
| 22:45.20 | cantido | Spida: so freestanding.. no libc? |
| 22:46.30 | cantido | Spida: I think arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc could produce working code for that... I think I've used it for arm7/9 stuff on the nintendo ds |
| 22:46.48 | Spida | ok, I'll try that. |
| 22:46.54 | cantido | Spida: actually, no that used a custom newlib |
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| 22:47.10 | alsd | Brutus|UA: you seem like you're from ms land, do you? ;) |
| 22:47.23 | cantido | Spida: but if it's freestanding code for an arm, one of those should be able to produce it with the right options I think |
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| 22:48.34 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, my card is: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG |
| 22:48.44 | alsd | Brutus|UA: i always wonder why you "format" a filesystem with windows |
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| 22:49.21 | alsd | anyway... |
| 22:49.28 | `Abo | If I install debian on my laptop, will I need to manually install my wireless nic? |
| 22:49.40 | `Abo | its an intel wireless nic |
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| 22:50.00 | cantido | `Abo: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 22:50.00 | stew | `Abo: you'll need to install the non-free firmware needed for your nic at least. which model? |
| 22:50.16 | EmleyMoor | (I recently did that!) |
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| 22:50.44 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi howto for your card |
| 22:50.54 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 22:51.03 | `Abo | stew intel pro wireless 2200 bg |
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| 22:51.18 | EmleyMoor | ipw2200 as we call it |
| 22:51.34 | batcoder-7 | what is the best way to mount a remote ftp dir to my local system ? |
| 22:51.59 | EmleyMoor | (mine's a 2100) |
| 22:52.03 | `Abo | [00:48:34] <jimi_hendrix> cantido, my card is: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG mine is Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 22:52.15 | stew | `Abo: then you'll get the driver for the card, but you'll have to get the firmware separately. which version of debian are you planning to install? |
| 22:52.20 | alsd | batcoder-7: with curlftpfs maybe? |
| 22:52.22 | cantido | batcoder-7: there are a few fuse filesystems for doing that |
| 22:52.26 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, is there a way to get it installed by default...i prefer not having to DL the stuff somewhere else and move it in via flash drive |
| 22:52.31 | jimi_hendrix | nice `Abo |
| 22:52.33 | `Abo | stew 4.0r6 etch |
| 22:52.36 | batcoder-7 | curlftpfs is not working for me |
| 22:52.42 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: it needs non-free firmware |
| 22:52.48 | stew | oh, wait, depending on the kernel, you have to install a driver too |
| 22:53.06 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: you're running lenny right? |
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| 22:53.31 | karme | batcoder-7: avfs - works ok for read only access |
| 22:53.34 | cantido | seems to remember there being installer images with non-free firmware included somewhere.. |
| 22:53.38 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, not atm...going to install tomorrow |
| 22:53.42 | stew | `Abo: if you install with the 2.6.18 kernel, you'll need to install ipw2200-modules-$(uname -r) ; if you install with the 2.6.24 kernel you'll already have a driver |
| 22:53.53 | jimi_hendrix | right now ubuntu arch pcbsd and windows (will probably install over pcbsd |
| 22:53.56 | jimi_hendrix | ) |
| 22:54.01 | stew | `Abo: you can download firmware for the card from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:54.09 | `Abo | k |
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| 22:54.17 | batcoder-7 | i really would like to find a good way to mount ftp to my file system |
| 22:54.32 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: go for lenny. Its not "stable" yet but it should be fine |
| 22:54.37 | karme | batcoder-7: mountavfs and then cd ~/.avfs/#ftp:server/path |
| 22:54.42 | Nostahl | hey all if i want to switch from grub2 to grub do i have to do aptitude purge grub2 first? |
| 22:54.44 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, ok |
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| 22:54.52 | karme | batcoder-7: but don't expect, too much |
| 22:54.55 | batcoder-7 | karme, i need write |
| 22:55.15 | jimi_hendrix | any way i can do it without having to grab a .deb from a different machine? |
| 22:55.20 | batcoder-7 | how can i remove myself from a group ? |
| 22:55.50 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.56 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: the firmware probably can't be distributed, hence you have to download it |
| 22:56.00 | EmleyMoor | batcoder: edit /etc/group and remove yourself from the relevant line |
| 22:56.05 | karme | batcoder-7: maybe gvfs fuse ? |
| 22:56.16 | batcoder-7 | without doing that greengeeko ? |
| 22:56.24 | grendal_prime | be carefull look at it and make sure you understand what is going on in that file. |
| 22:56.32 | stew | batcoder-7: you can use usermod; if you decide to edit /etc/group, you should use the 'vigr' command to make sure you don't make a mistake |
| 22:56.39 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, ok |
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| 22:56.58 | grendal_prime | hey, if i create a startup script and use the init.d method, do i HAVE to have a shutdown script? |
| 22:57.05 | EmleyMoor | That's vigr, not vigor <g> |
| 22:57.06 | batcoder-7 | i want to remove my user from the fuse user |
| 22:57.43 | Brutus|UA | alsd: yes i'm from windows land :P |
| 22:57.45 | batcoder-7 | when i mount something with curlftpfs it just hangs |
| 22:57.47 | batcoder-7 | no errors |
| 22:57.51 | batcoder-7 | nothing |
| 22:57.54 | Brutus|UA | make filesystem then :P |
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| 22:58.11 | batcoder-7 | huh ? |
| 22:58.18 | Brutus|UA | oh no not to you |
| 22:58.22 | batcoder-7 | ah |
| 22:58.23 | Brutus|UA | was responding to alsd |
| 22:58.54 | xlotlu | am i crazy, or at some point debconf was doing 3-way diffing? |
| 22:59.25 | batcoder-7 | is curlftpfs considered stable? |
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| 23:00.23 | jimi_hendrix | what kernel does lenny have? |
| 23:00.41 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.26 |
| 23:00.50 | unop | $ uname -r |
| 23:00.50 | unop | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:01.39 | unop | grendal_prime, if your startup script starts a process that keeps running, then yes |
| 23:01.42 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 23:01.47 | batcoder-7 | i am going nuts |
| 23:02.09 | batcoder-7 | if i remove a program that uses a specific user does it remove that user? |
| 23:02.13 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you dont need to have a shutdown part in that script |
| 23:02.25 | valdyn | grendal_prime: not even if the program stays running |
| 23:02.34 | unop | valdyn, that's silly |
| 23:02.43 | valdyn | unop: why? |
| 23:02.48 | jimi_hendrix | cantido, odd...intel page says " Using kernels 2.6.24 and up |
| 23:02.48 | jimi_hendrix | These kernels have the iwlwifi driver included and the released drivers (available from this site under download page) do not work with these kernels." |
| 23:03.11 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: the card still needs non-free firmware to actually work |
| 23:03.35 | valdyn | unop: its easy to construct a program with a purose that does not need to be shutdown cleanly ever |
| 23:03.43 | cantido | jimi_hendrix: because wifi card vendors can't afford flash roms apparently ;) |
| 23:04.01 | sfuentes | anyone know where i can find documentation for connecting to a wireless wpa network in lenny? |
| 23:04.09 | jimi_hendrix | hehe |
| 23:04.11 | stew | cantido: how would you like it if your laptop costed a few cents more? |
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| 23:04.25 | unop | valdyn, because, it's playing nice if it implements a shutdown method .. which is why virtually all init script have such a method .. plus it serves to cleanup after the service too and shut it down in the way you intend it to |
| 23:04.35 | jimi_hendrix | so what should i do to get the stuff i need w/o having internet availible after lenny install? |
| 23:04.42 | EmleyMoor | sfuentes: I use wpa-supplicant to do mine - it comes well documented IIRC |
| 23:04.43 | valdyn | unop: sure, all that dont end up in .sh do i think |
| 23:04.47 | cantido | stew: I'd like it better than loading firmware all the time. actually I think flash roms are cheaper than SRAM... |
| 23:04.53 | karme | batcoder-7: regarding user removal: afaik - depends on the package (postrm script?) |
| 23:05.10 | sfuentes | EmleyMoor: where is your wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 23:05.11 | valdyn | unop: thats 18 here |
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| 23:05.15 | stew | jimi_hendrix: download the firmware-iwlwifi package from http://packages.debian.org/firmware-iwlwifi, and move it to that machine via sneakernet |
| 23:05.20 | EmleyMoor | /etc |
| 23:05.22 | unop | valdyn, an init script really has nothing to do with sh - it can be written in any language |
| 23:05.41 | cantido | stew: hell if their firmware didn't take 3 or 4 versions before it was stable they could go ultra cheap and blow masks |
| 23:05.48 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 23:05.56 | jimi_hendrix | sneakernet == ? |
| 23:05.59 | valdyn | unop: yes, im aware of that, but you might have noticed that debian has init scripts that end in .sh |
| 23:06.13 | batcoder-7 | karme, how do i remove everything of a system including conf's from debian? |
| 23:06.19 | stew | jimi_hendrix: you put it on a thumb drive, put on your sneakers and run to the other computer |
| 23:06.38 | stew | (sneakers optional) |
| 23:06.48 | sfuentes | EmleyMoor: documentation on wpa_supplicant says its /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf but its not there ... did you create it? |
| 23:06.53 | jimi_hendrix | hehe |
| 23:06.56 | karme | batcoder-7: you mean everything of a package? |
| 23:07.27 | EmleyMoor | sfuentes: Yes... by copying the example and modifying |
| 23:07.46 | batcoder-7 | karme, yea |
| 23:08.00 | jimi_hendrix | or...mount /dev/sda7 /mnt; mv /mnt/all/the/stuff/$package_name $HOME/Desktop |
| 23:08.04 | karme | batcoder-7: aptitude purge <package> or if you use apt-get: apt-get --purge remove <package> |
| 23:08.09 | sfuentes | EmleyMoor: do you know where network manager stores its information? |
| 23:08.25 | EmleyMoor | sfuentes: No - never made that work |
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| 23:08.41 | sfuentes | EmleyMoor: k. thanks |
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| 23:10.08 | sfuentes | EmleyMoor: what wireless driver are u using by the way? |
| 23:10.20 | EmleyMoor | sfuentes: ipw2100 |
| 23:10.46 | batcoder-7 | karme, fuse is still there can i delete that line in the etc/groups ? |
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| 23:11.43 | valdyn | batcoder-7: why would you do that? |
| 23:11.49 | karme | batcoder-7: the thing with deleting users/groups is that the package manager doesn't know wether you still have some files somewhere using that user/group |
| 23:12.08 | batcoder-7 | i dont |
| 23:12.09 | karme | batcoder-7: => some packages do not delete users/groups added on install |
| 23:12.16 | batcoder-7 | i purged everything that used fuse |
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| 23:12.39 | valdyn | that would be pretty nasty of packages did that |
| 23:12.46 | batcoder-7 | karme, so you think its safe to delete that then ? |
| 23:12.46 | valdyn | *if* |
| 23:13.24 | karme | batcoder-7: if you know you don't you can delete the group - see man groupdel |
| 23:13.37 | batcoder-7 | fuse:x:106:me |
| 23:13.37 | karme | batcoder-7: or delgroup? |
| 23:14.14 | karme | batcoder-7: use delgroup |
| 23:14.29 | batcoder-7 | i did thanks |
| 23:14.31 | valdyn | batcoder-7: first you want to make sure that no user is member of that group and that no file is owned by that group |
| 23:14.43 | batcoder-7 | stupid question how do you get out of su |
| 23:14.47 | batcoder-7 | without lcosing terminal ? |
| 23:14.50 | valdyn | batcoder-7: otherwise you will create security fuckups and general system fuckup |
| 23:14.51 | EmleyMoor | Ctrl-D |
| 23:15.01 | batcoder-7 | thaks agin |
| 23:15.21 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, yea none are |
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| 23:15.44 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
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| 23:16.39 | `Abo | can I install debian using the first cd only? |
| 23:16.54 | `Abo | because netinst is not an option if my wireless wont work by default :D |
| 23:17.07 | valdyn | `Abo: yes |
| 23:17.14 | batcoder-7 | what does it mean when there is a ~/ in your dir name ? |
| 23:17.27 | EmleyMoor | `Abo: Yes - it contains all the essentials to get your system going |
| 23:17.41 | valdyn | batcoder-7: try cd ~ |
| 23:17.46 | EmleyMoor | batcoder-7: : ~ is your home |
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| 23:17.52 | batcoder-7 | ah ok |
| 23:17.57 | `Abo | ok |
| 23:17.58 | `Abo | thanks |
| 23:18.04 | batcoder-7 | little things i never leanred heh |
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| 23:23.12 | batcoder-7 | i tryto kill a process butits not killing it |
| 23:23.24 | batcoder-7 | its not running as root either |
| 23:23.27 | EmleyMoor | batcoder-7: How did you try? |
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| 23:23.33 | batcoder-7 | kill pid |
| 23:23.44 | EmleyMoor | OK - try kill -9 pid |
| 23:23.47 | DEA7H | anyone got any guides that they have used for setting up a Mail Server under Etch? want enough for a dozen domains and imap |
| 23:24.20 | amphi | DEA7H: the debian reference may be of use |
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| 23:26.43 | batcoder-7 | this curlftpfs command executes properly but when i goto the foler it just loads forever |
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| 23:27.36 | DEA7H | amphi: in the deb' docs i take? |
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| 23:29.14 | amphi | DEA7H: the debian reference is packaged |
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| 23:33.16 | batcoder-7 | curlftpfs is not meant to work on my system |
| 23:34.34 | alsd | batcoder-7: is the ftp connection going well with some other ftp client? |
| 23:34.47 | batcoder-7 | yes like gftp |
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| 23:34.57 | Brutus|UA | alsd: to answer your previous question, i don't know if you heard that, but yes i'm usually a windows user |
| 23:35.03 | Brutus|UA | was about the format thing |
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| 23:35.33 | alsd | Brutus|UA: yes i've seen it. so now maybe you can cure that bad habit of yours ;) |
| 23:35.42 | Brutus|UA | i'm trying! |
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| 23:35.56 | Brutus|UA | i'm so used to graphical user interfaces |
| 23:36.14 | Brutus|UA | now i have two systems with no gui |
| 23:36.16 | batcoder-7 | alsd, its driving me nuts |
| 23:36.25 | alsd | batcoder-7: i guess so |
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| 23:36.43 | alsd | batcoder-7: maybe try to strace the curlftpfs process? |
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| 23:36.54 | redrain | Hi, is it possible to encrypt, other file formats (not only text files) with GnuPG? I've tried with PDF and a few other formats, but I can only decrypt them on the machine I encrypted the files |
| 23:36.58 | alsd | batcoder-7: or try a newer or older version |
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| 23:37.08 | batcoder-7 | the program seems to be a big hack to me |
| 23:37.28 | alsd | batcoder-7: well, fuse file systems often are |
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| 23:37.48 | batcoder-7 | what fuse is bad? |
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| 23:37.56 | batcoder-7 | fuse seems like the problem here |
| 23:38.15 | alsd | batcoder-7: no fuse isn't, it just makes it easy to create filesystems |
| 23:38.25 | alsd | batcoder-7: so many fuse filesystems are hackish at times |
| 23:38.46 | Brutus|UA | if you only want 1 partition on a clean harddisk, do you still need to partition it? |
| 23:38.55 | alsd | Brutus|UA: you can have GUIs on debian too, even plenty of them |
| 23:38.56 | batcoder-7 | when i run the command it looks like to goes through just fine |
| 23:39.14 | batcoder-7 | but when i try to run ls or something in that dir it jut loads forever |
| 23:39.17 | alsd | Brutus|UA: with linux you don't need to partition it |
| 23:39.19 | Brutus|UA | alsd: yes but i got 2 machines running debian, and they don't have screens attached to them |
| 23:39.23 | Brutus|UA | hmm |
| 23:39.33 | EmleyMoor | Brutus|UA: I would recomend doing so |
| 23:39.40 | EmleyMoor | recommend |
| 23:39.42 | Brutus|UA | i tried to mke2fs it, but it says there's no partition table |
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| 23:39.53 | alsd | Brutus|UA: but if one day you'll want to partition, you'd be glad then to have a partition system in place |
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| 23:40.04 | Brutus|UA | i just want a big ext3 |
| 23:40.29 | Brutus|UA | mke2fs -j /dev/sdd |
| 23:40.31 | alsd | Brutus|UA: the partition table is only a few bytes long, you won't loose much |
| 23:40.44 | Brutus|UA | alsd: that isn't the point, i don't know how :) |
| 23:40.56 | Brutus|UA | and the readme the dpkg bot gives me, isn't much help either |
| 23:41.32 | batcoder-7 | this is nuts i need this so bad too |
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| 23:42.13 | alsd | Brutus|UA: the mke2fs man page says you can bypass this check with -F (but see there for the details) |
| 23:42.17 | valdyn | batcoder-7: fuse cant fix ftp connection issues |
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| 23:42.32 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, wahat do you mean ? |
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| 23:42.36 | valdyn | batcoder-7: and ftp is seriously problematic with nat everywhere |
| 23:42.50 | batcoder-7 | i can connect just fine via gFTP |
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| 23:43.01 | batcoder-7 | the problem is this curlftpfs / fuse |
| 23:43.09 | Nostahl | hey all i just aptitude purge grub2 |
| 23:43.16 | valdyn | batcoder-7: probably curlftpfs |
| 23:43.21 | alsd | batcoder-7: maybe you have to set curlftpfs to passive mode, as valdyn points out |
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| 23:43.25 | valdyn | batcoder-7: fuse is excellent itself |
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| 23:43.31 | Nostahl | and then installed grub and ran grub-install and such i cant boot it just keeps taking me to a grub shell |
| 23:43.35 | Nostahl | any idea's? |
| 23:43.51 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, can i do this without curlftpfs just using fuse? |
| 23:44.02 | valdyn | batcoder-7: but if you get the chance, switch to a decent protocol, ftp is ugly |
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| 23:44.09 | intx | I can't su into root, anyone have any idea why? I was in the middle of implementing wheel, (editing /etc/pam.d/su) but i'm pretty sure I commented everything I added and now I still can't su into root? |
| 23:44.11 | valdyn | batcoder-7: no you cant |
| 23:44.15 | batcoder-7 | valdyn, its not mine |
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| 23:44.27 | alsd | batcoder-7: fuse can't do anything by itself, its just an interface |
| 23:44.44 | batcoder-7 | this stuff is working for everyone else |
| 23:45.13 | valdyn | batcoder-7: there might be better ftp implementations on top of fuse than curlftpfs or its just a configuration issues ( passive mode.. ) |
| 23:45.24 | batcoder-7 | i cant find anything |
| 23:45.28 | batcoder-7 | btw it connected once |
| 23:45.38 | batcoder-7 | i like logged back in or something and it actually showed up |
| 23:45.45 | batcoder-7 | but it was read only and blah blah |
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| 23:46.00 | Brutus|UA | wait, i formatted two discs, one without a filesystem, and one ntfs disc. took a while, but it didn't actually do the writing |
| 23:46.26 | Brutus|UA | (both with the mke2fs -j for ext3 |
| 23:46.28 | scientes | is apt using sha1 yet? |
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| 23:47.34 | batcoder-7 | i guess i can live it out with gFTP |
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| 23:48.20 | alsd | senses we're nearing sunday |
| 23:48.24 | batcoder-7 | curlftpfs gives me no signle error i cant tell what is wrong or anything |
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| 23:49.13 | alsd | batcoder-7: that's a daemon of sorts, errors usually display in a log file rather than on screen |
| 23:50.35 | intx | anyone see anything odd with this line? |
| 23:50.38 | intx | "v" |
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| 23:50.58 | intx | oops :) |
| 23:50.58 | intx | "(pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty=pts/3 ruser=intx rhost= user=root |
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| 23:50.59 | alsd | batcoder-7: if you want to know all the gory details, go and read the manual |
| 23:51.14 | alsd | batcoder-7: it's all there waiting for you |
| 23:51.21 | batcoder-7 | goes n reads |
| 23:51.33 | alsd | batcoder-7: if you can't wait, use a standard ftp client, your call |
| 23:51.36 | koeppea | intx, maybe you just tell us what your problem is |
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| 23:53.06 | alsd | Brutus|UA: you can't mount the filesystem? |
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| 23:54.16 | batcoder-7 | alsd, i think the problem is something to do with the fuse user, fuse user i guess is what mounts it |
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| 23:55.16 | intx | how do I unload a pam module? (assuming they stay loaded?) |
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| 23:55.52 | tetonca | in a back alley |
| 23:55.56 | alsd | batcoder-7: might be. i've been told there's a group you need to be in to access fuse file systems |
| 23:57.37 | intx | is there anyway to unload a pam module while pam is still running? |
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