| 00:00.01 | enouf | Kano: it wasn't in grub1 either |
| 00:00.19 | enouf | until you added it (or enabled it) |
| 00:00.20 | Kano | but reboot does not start grub at all it seems |
| 00:00.31 | jonaskoelker | twiadpaws: then add a ! -name '.' :) |
| 00:00.43 | bopols | pasted wrongly above - here is a better view of my postgresql issue after a Lenny upgrade: http://paste.debian.net/26817 |
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| 00:01.25 | bbag | hi |
| 00:01.36 | twiadpaws | jonaskoelker, ow, thanx!! sorry for bugging you, i've been using linux since a month, gotta get used to it : x |
| 00:02.08 | bbag | how can i burn the debian cd iso to dvd using growisofs? it always turns out corrupt using growisofs -Z /dev/dvd /path/to/iso |
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| 00:03.10 | pizza__ | `apt-get remove postgresql-7.4` wants to *install* postgresql-8.3 and other stuff, how do i tell it just remove 7.4? i've RTFMed and tried --no-install-recommends and --no-update and they don't affect the behavior. |
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| 00:04.35 | Kano | enouf: and how to enable the behaviour i want? |
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| 00:06.23 | enouf | Kano: all i know really about grub2 is options can be added to a /etc/default/grub* file(?) (and, IINM, /etc/grub.conf is important?) |
| 00:06.34 | enouf | Kano: try #grub also |
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| 00:06.48 | themill | dpkg: tell pizza__ about bat |
| 00:07.08 | beardy | !cluebat themill |
| 00:07.08 | dpkg | beats themill with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 6! Check video card compatibility at http://www.x.org/ |
| 00:07.20 | beardy | runs and hides |
| 00:07.23 | rednul | what is a good console tool to verify a burned disc to an image file? |
| 00:07.23 | themill | not that bat, beardy |
| 00:07.31 | enouf | Kano: you're the kanotix guy, iirc? nice to see ya |
| 00:07.50 | themill | rednul: /msg dpkg check iso image |
| 00:07.53 | enouf | rednul: md5sum |
| 00:08.22 | beardy | rednul: The program you are using to burn it hopefully has a checking function too, perhaps. |
| 00:08.50 | enouf | wonders if readcd/readom works on ISOs .. heh |
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| 00:10.05 | rednul | beardy: actually I was hoping to add that... I'm trying a program called turbojet2 |
| 00:10.22 | pizza__ | `apt-get remove postgresql-7.4` wants to *install* postgresql-8.3 and other stuff, how do i tell it just remove 7.4? i've RTFMed and tried --no-install-recommends and --no-update and they don't affect the behavior. <URL: http://paste.debian.net/26818/> |
| 00:10.29 | enouf | beardy: IINM, i think he has a CD with data, and is copying/generating to HDD as an ISO? .. the reverse of burning an image - creating one ;-) -- if so, rednul - did you use mkisofs/geneisoimage ? |
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| 00:10.47 | enouf | er s/genisoimage/ |
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| 00:10.53 | beardy | enouf: Possibly. |
| 00:11.54 | beardy | rednul: Ok. So are you creating an ISO image of a disc, or burning an image to a cd? |
| 00:12.26 | themill | pizza__: why do you have etch and sid in your sources.list? You can do that and not expect trouble. I imagine that you have something else installed that requires postgresql to be installed. |
| 00:13.09 | beardy | can not* |
| 00:13.24 | rednul | beardy: I have an image burned ... and wish to verify.. i'm looking at checkisomd5, i think that does what i need |
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| 00:16.18 | beardy | rednul: Yes, it probably does. But md5sum also should, if you do an md5sum of the device, and of the image perhaps. (Actually, I don't know if you can do that, of the unmounted device.. but worth a try.) |
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| 00:16.31 | themill | !check iso image |
| 00:16.32 | dpkg | Test that an iso image was burned correctly by comparing the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum |
| 00:16.43 | pizza__ | themill: ok, i'll check |
| 00:16.46 | themill | md5sum on the device doesn't always work. the dd command there should |
| 00:16.57 | beardy | Thanks themill. |
| 00:17.36 | frostschutz | md5sum on cdrom device often gives a different result from iso if the burning program added any padding etc. - if it's just files it's best to mount and md5sum the files. |
| 00:18.19 | themill | frostschutz: the command above should cope with that |
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| 00:19.40 | CopyWriter | wow, this is the largest irc channel that i've ever been in |
| 00:19.42 | CopyWriter | hello all |
| 00:19.52 | keveam | Would anyone here know if it's possible to LAN an IRC session? |
| 00:20.16 | julzmb | you are using a noun (LAN) as a verb... |
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| 00:21.10 | Guerin | keveam: wtf? |
| 00:21.15 | Guerin | !wayttd keveam |
| 00:21.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, keveam? |
| 00:21.18 | julzmb | you need to chat with anothre person on the lan? |
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| 00:22.34 | jberg | yay, finally it worked. had to manually edit menu.lst to (hd0,1) instead of (hd0,2) (don't know where it got that from.. |
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| 00:25.31 | szymon_g | hi |
| 00:25.42 | mydrmeix | hi |
| 00:25.54 | szymon_g | where can i find a list of patches on debian's 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 00:26.12 | mydrmeix | kernel.org? |
| 00:26.37 | julzmb | isnt there a debian developers channel? you would have more luck there |
| 00:27.11 | szymon_g | mydrmeix: there is a mainline kernel. |
| 00:27.25 | szymon_g | julzmb: mea culpa, i'm going to look there |
| 00:27.43 | szymon_g | bye |
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| 00:39.20 | Leafwiz | Hi, I had a powersurge on my server. My /dev/md0 raid5 array wouldn't start when i tried reassemble it, stating: mdadm: failed to write superblock to /dev/hdb1 |
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| 00:40.07 | Leafwiz | I got my raid up running with 2 devices. But I want to readd hdb1 with /sbin/mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/hdb1 |
| 00:40.16 | Leafwiz | but I get the same error |
| 00:40.29 | Leafwiz | I have also tried to recreate the partition with fdisk |
| 00:40.36 | Leafwiz | on hdb |
| 00:41.40 | twiadpaws | ow |
| 00:41.46 | twiadpaws | my very first cronjob is running |
| 00:41.53 | twiadpaws | :> |
| 00:42.04 | Leafwiz | And smart tells me that all is fine with the disk |
| 00:42.29 | CoolCold | erm..i tryed fdisk over drive which was in raid? |
| 00:42.43 | CoolCold | u sure u not damaged data? |
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| 00:42.55 | Leafwiz | no, the disk was unmounted in the raid |
| 00:43.09 | Leafwiz | The raid wasn't assebled |
| 00:43.34 | CoolCold | ah.. |
| 00:44.06 | CoolCold | u had 3 drives in raid5, and one of them was removed from raid due to powerloss? |
| 00:44.19 | twiadpaws | you're doomed ... |
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| 00:44.38 | zmitya | hi all |
| 00:44.56 | twiadpaws | lo |
| 00:45.00 | twiadpaws | no wait you're not |
| 00:45.06 | twiadpaws | if there were 3 drives normally |
| 00:45.07 | zmitya | I have a strange "date" behaviour.... check this please: http://paste.debian.net/26820/ |
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| 00:45.35 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: yes. |
| 00:46.01 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: show ur /proc/mdstat && /proc/partitions somewhere on pastebin |
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| 00:46.11 | twiadpaws | zmitya, i got the same, mate ;) |
| 00:46.40 | twiadpaws | caused by %k |
| 00:46.53 | zmitya | twiadpaws: yes, but why ? |
| 00:47.02 | twiadpaws | zmitya, try %H |
| 00:47.14 | twiadpaws | %k seems to return 0 to 24 |
| 00:47.37 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: pasted it to #flood |
| 00:47.42 | zmitya | oh, fakk, there si a space in the man page as well |
| 00:47.49 | zmitya | thanks |
| 00:47.51 | twiadpaws | :) |
| 00:47.56 | twiadpaws | you're welcome |
| 00:48.05 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: nice, how should i see this? |
| 00:48.15 | Leafwiz | joint the channel |
| 00:48.31 | Leafwiz | and i can paste it |
| 00:48.33 | Leafwiz | :) |
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| 00:50.03 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: I want to add /dev/hdb1 to the md0 array |
| 00:51.18 | CoolCold | well |
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| 00:51.45 | CoolCold | try to do smth like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb1 bs=512 count=500 |
| 00:51.59 | CoolCold | not misspell the hdb1 name ;) |
| 00:52.05 | Leafwiz | :P |
| 00:52.27 | Leafwiz | smth? |
| 00:52.36 | CoolCold | smth=something |
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| 00:52.48 | Leafwiz | ah.. |
| 00:53.04 | Leafwiz | That was a good idea |
| 00:53.10 | Leafwiz | I'll try that |
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| 00:53.53 | Raspberry | I've got an issue with Debian 5.0r1 Lenny amd64 installer... I can't seem to get it to boot when selecting LVM for partitioning... I can see the drives -- I can work with drives and partition them during the installer... I can boot the installer and run in "rescue" mode and remount the drives using /etc/init.d/lvm start and I can see all the installed data... But if I try to boot the system off the LVM (I am now trying the Guided LVM.. |
| 00:53.55 | Raspberry | . and it still doesn't work) ... I get a black screen with a flashing cursor in the corner.... nothing else |
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| 00:54.47 | Leafwiz | dd: writing to `/dev/hdb1': No space left on device |
| 00:55.13 | CoolCold | O.o |
| 00:55.17 | Leafwiz | # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb1 |
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| 00:55.59 | theholyduck | Raspberry, you DO have a non lvm /Boot right? |
| 00:56.01 | CoolCold | u hadn't to fill it with zeroes to the end, but it should be ok anyways |
| 00:56.04 | theholyduck | :P |
| 00:56.24 | Raspberry | theholyduck: yup -- /boot is bootable and /dev/sda1 the lvm partition is /dev/sda2 |
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| 00:57.01 | theholyduck | err.. |
| 00:57.08 | theholyduck | you dont boot lvm partitions directly.. |
| 00:57.15 | Raspberry | I can boot off the NetInst cd that I'm using and mount both /dev/sda1 and initialize the lvm via init.d |
| 00:57.24 | Raspberry | theholyduck: err... I know. |
| 00:57.33 | theholyduck | Raspberry, well it SOUNDED like you didnt :P |
| 00:57.37 | theholyduck | anyways i wouldnt know |
| 00:57.43 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: I have pasted dd's output in #flood |
| 00:57.44 | theholyduck | lvm root and home works epicly over here |
| 00:58.00 | CoolCold | this is weird |
| 00:58.00 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: it didn't write anything to hdb1 |
| 00:58.11 | CoolCold | i don't know why device reports no space left |
| 00:58.21 | Raspberry | yeah, I'm pretty stumped. I can't use the 4.0r6 installer because it doesn't know 1/2 the hardware -- I'm testing a new server for Lenovo :) Their TS100 series -- really awesome box |
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| 00:58.48 | Leafwiz | I did a smartctl -t short scan on it. And it told me a'ok |
| 00:58.55 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: does dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/null bs=64k count=10000 works? |
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| 00:59.28 | Leafwiz | no |
| 00:59.49 | theholyduck | he is running the dd as root right? |
| 00:59.53 | Leafwiz | 0 bytes (0 B) copied, 3.5193e-05 seconds, 0.0 kB/s |
| 00:59.55 | theholyduck | just to make sure :P |
| 00:59.57 | Leafwiz | yes |
| 01:00.01 | theholyduck | also |
| 01:00.05 | Leafwiz | I'm root :P |
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| 01:00.42 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: tail /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/messages contains smth interesting? |
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| 01:02.30 | teratoma | hi how do i get rid of this error, and yes i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales : http://pastebin.com/ma1083fd |
| 01:02.33 | Leafwiz | No, the logs seems fine |
| 01:02.55 | theholyduck | teratoma, did you PICK a locale and what not? |
| 01:02.57 | Leafwiz | I have pasted some lines in flood |
| 01:03.19 | teratoma | theholyduck: no. i have googled for this error a lot. people always suggest 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' . that does not fix it. |
| 01:03.24 | Ejdesgaard | i've followed this:http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en guide until i get to the poing of boot loader... the problem is that i install debian on a CF card from a card reader and when it's configured i insert it in my soekris net5501-70, but on my laptop the CF card is seen as sdb and on the soekris it's seen as hda so.... how do i fix the mbr on the CF card from my laptop, i doesn't care if i use grub or lilo... :) |
| 01:04.01 | theholyduck | teratoma, well install locales. then reconfigure them |
| 01:04.12 | theholyduck | while picking the us utf8 locale |
| 01:04.15 | theholyduck | and setting that as default |
| 01:04.17 | theholyduck | restart. |
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| 01:04.18 | mnguyen | I'm currently using openbox as my WM. How do I get conky to autostart when I create a new session? |
| 01:04.19 | teratoma | theholyduck: i did!. same problem. |
| 01:04.20 | theholyduck | and that fixes everything :P |
| 01:04.24 | teratoma | does not! |
| 01:04.29 | theholyduck | teratoma, DOES TO! |
| 01:04.33 | theholyduck | atleast it would |
| 01:04.35 | theholyduck | if you did it right :P |
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| 01:04.57 | theholyduck | teratoma, that problems comes from a noninstalled or nonconfigured locales |
| 01:05.19 | theholyduck | wich is why you install and reconfigure them while picking a locale and setting it as default |
| 01:05.24 | theholyduck | then restart |
| 01:05.26 | theholyduck | to enable it |
| 01:05.39 | teratoma | ok doing it right now |
| 01:05.46 | theholyduck | thats fixed it for me. every time i had a error like that |
| 01:05.50 | teratoma | i know that error doesn't really kill anything, its just annoying |
| 01:06.06 | teratoma | root |
| 01:06.08 | teratoma | oops |
| 01:06.13 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: ur stumped? :P |
| 01:07.07 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: I thought recreating the partition in fdisk would do the trick.. but to no avail |
| 01:07.14 | CoolCold | no |
| 01:07.23 | CoolCold | i just called and ordered pizza;) |
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| 01:07.51 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: oo.. I want a beer. brb :) |
| 01:07.53 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: is drive hdb mounted somewhere? |
| 01:08.07 | Leafwiz | no |
| 01:08.51 | Leafwiz | not in mount, and it doesn't show up I'n mdadm --misc -QD /dev/md0 |
| 01:09.06 | CoolCold | try to do partprobe && cat /proc/partitions && paste this on pastebin.com |
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| 01:10.19 | CoolCold | i guess your real partition table differs from kernel's mind |
| 01:10.22 | I_Died_Once | Hi, I'm having a problem with my sound system. I switched audio cards, and now sound doesnt work at all |
| 01:10.44 | I_Died_Once | but the sound card works just fine when i boot into windows |
| 01:10.56 | I_Died_Once | (dual boot machine) |
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| 01:11.28 | Leafwiz | partprobe = fdisk -l ? |
| 01:11.47 | CoolCold | no |
| 01:11.58 | CoolCold | partprobe makes kernel reread part table |
| 01:12.22 | CoolCold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.22 | CoolCold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.41 | Leafwiz | okay, what's the path |
| 01:12.48 | Leafwiz | I couldn't find it |
| 01:13.17 | Leafwiz | and it wasn't in the apt-cache search either |
| 01:13.28 | CoolCold | [04:13:07]root@maindb:~# dpkg -S `which partprobe` |
| 01:13.28 | CoolCold | parted: /sbin/partprobe |
| 01:13.36 | teratoma | theholyduck: here's what i did: http://pastebin.com/m3ce1177d , and here's the error: http://pastebin.com/m270d6528 |
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| 01:15.33 | Leafwiz | oki, found it. |
| 01:15.36 | Raspberry | hmm |
| 01:15.47 | Leafwiz | *probing* |
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| 01:15.59 | Raspberry | I just don't get why I can configure the LVM with the installer -- but I can't boot from it |
| 01:16.25 | ceil420 | anyone use SCIM and know how to stop it from 'exiting abnormally'? http://rafb.net/p/TMAIWP95.html |
| 01:16.59 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: use http://fpaste.org/ to paste |
| 01:17.05 | Leafwiz | 10 4 |
| 01:17.40 | superlinux | i am using the NVidia driver 173.14.12. when i run mplayer i get mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libnvidia-tls.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. any one has a clue. |
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| 01:18.15 | superjoe30 | is there a program that will read an ebook into an audio book so I can play it in my car? |
| 01:18.22 | superjoe30 | and by ebook I mean a text file |
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| 01:18.46 | teratoma | festival |
| 01:19.07 | superlinux | superjoe30, festival |
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| 01:19.11 | enouf | Raspberry: various possible reasons |
| 01:19.38 | superlinux | anyone has ever faced the same problem i have? |
| 01:20.00 | Leafwiz | mmm.. malt beer is goood.. |
| 01:20.23 | enouf | Raspberry: double check that the /dev/{null,zero} et al perms are 0666 |
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| 01:20.54 | octoserver | is there a command that can show network transfer speed in total ? |
| 01:21.06 | CoolCold | iftop, iptraf |
| 01:21.23 | superlinux | Leafwiz, we want ye sober mate! |
| 01:21.54 | teratoma | what is diff between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:22.11 | Guerin | teratoma: man apt-get |
| 01:22.15 | octoserver | CoolCold: rock on thanks, iptraf is nice, i forgot about that one |
| 01:22.25 | Guerin | teratoma: also, apt-get is deprecated; use aptitude |
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| 01:22.28 | CoolCold | iftop is better |
| 01:22.28 | Raspberry | enouf: I'm trying another install with just "Guided" instead of "Guided LVM" -- next step is to install Ubuntu and see if the issue persists |
| 01:22.37 | CoolCold | iptraf eats a lot of cpu ;( |
| 01:23.08 | octoserver | oh bumer |
| 01:23.19 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: oki, done. http://fpaste.org/paste/2176 |
| 01:23.19 | octoserver | ill install and try iftop |
| 01:23.51 | CoolCold | u can try atop too |
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| 01:24.17 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: paste sfdisk -d /dev/hdb too |
| 01:24.30 | Raspberry | enouf: i'm going to try this solution... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=669410 |
| 01:24.34 | Raspberry | seems like it's a grub issue |
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| 01:25.30 | Raspberry | i wonder if the issue is that I'm letting GRUB install on the master boot record -- maybe I should be installing it on the /boot partition only |
| 01:25.31 | john_connor | is ftp the fastest lowest overhead file transfer program ? |
| 01:25.37 | Leafwiz | http://fpaste.org/paste/2177 |
| 01:26.08 | Raspberry | in the grub menu.list root is set to (hd0,0) which should be correct |
| 01:26.11 | enouf | Raspberry: you could /msg dpkg rescue mode |
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| 01:26.37 | Raspberry | enouf: done it. I can mount everything in rescue mode I can even chroot the system |
| 01:27.00 | enouf | Raspberry: follow that info - or even boot a livecd, chroot into your /, mount your /boot, and use the --root-directory= option |
| 01:27.20 | Raspberry | I did this already :) |
| 01:27.31 | Raspberry | I initialized the lvm and did the modprobe dm-mod |
| 01:27.36 | enouf | Raspberry: heh, is that a daily image you used? i see you said 4.0r6 |
| 01:27.48 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: interesting...kernel & real partition tables match |
| 01:27.50 | Raspberry | enouf: no, I used 5.0r1 |
| 01:27.59 | Raspberry | enouf: this server is too new for 4.0r6 |
| 01:28.09 | enouf | Raspberry: the LVM shouldn't be an issue at all, since it doesn't get involved until the init stage, IINM |
| 01:28.32 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/dev/null bs=64k count=10000 still doesn't work? |
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| 01:29.03 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: no |
| 01:29.14 | Raspberry | enouf: the top of that link you sent me says it's not needed with Lenny Installers |
| 01:29.15 | CoolCold | and with if=/dev/hdb ? |
| 01:29.39 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: now it's cookn' |
| 01:29.53 | Leafwiz | :) |
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| 01:30.14 | Leafwiz | 655360000 bytes (655 MB) copied, 8.33135 seconds, 78.7 MB/s |
| 01:30.27 | CoolCold | not sure but looks like this is troubles with partition |
| 01:30.29 | mythomaniac | i just want all to know, on this merry of days that debian is is my most fav, for its package system is second to none and thus cannot be out done, just apt-get install and let in the fun! |
| 01:30.42 | CoolCold | while hdb is accessible, hdb1 is not |
| 01:30.56 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: mm.. recreate? |
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| 01:31.49 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: u can try of cuz.. |
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| 01:32.15 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: Ur sceptical ? |
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| 01:32.38 | CoolCold | and can try reboot to clear ur kernel's view on /dev/hdb |
| 01:33.15 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: i have no idea why this happens |
| 01:33.24 | CoolCold | so i'm sceptical ;) |
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| 01:34.24 | Leafwiz | mm.. Doing a reboot now |
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| 01:35.09 | Leafwiz | btw, is perl much faster to handle large text files than perl? |
| 01:35.16 | Leafwiz | obs.. |
| 01:35.17 | Leafwiz | bash |
| 01:35.18 | Leafwiz | :P |
| 01:35.31 | CoolCold | i bet not |
| 01:35.35 | Sebboh | Hi. I'm doing a file transfer and I want to see how fast it's going? What console based utility can I use? ..I think ntop has some daemon and junk I don't want. Something smaller/more simple? |
| 01:35.47 | CoolCold | but u can make perl be slower with read(handle,1) ;) |
| 01:35.56 | Leafwiz | heh.. |
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| 01:36.29 | CoolCold | Sebboh: iptraf iftop atop |
| 01:36.44 | CoolCold | is this day everyone measure netspeed day?;) |
| 01:36.46 | gravity | Leafwiz: Depends on what handling entails. |
| 01:36.54 | Leafwiz | I have some large logs to go through, and I wonderd if I should dust of my bash skiil< or learn perl. I'm think it would be nice to learn perl |
| 01:36.56 | Sebboh | iftop, that's it. Thanks, CoolCold. |
| 01:37.09 | CoolCold | nope |
| 01:37.15 | octoserver | lol |
| 01:37.37 | Sebboh | Leafwiz, sed and awk. |
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| 01:37.42 | gravity | Leafwiz: That's pretty much subjective, and depends on what you want to do with the logs :-) |
| 01:37.56 | Sebboh | and grep and less -S for that matter. |
| 01:37.56 | octoserver | logs are for burning |
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| 01:38.05 | Leafwiz | going through 5gig txt files, and filtering them. Going to find top then thingy that sceams.. (switch logs) |
| 01:38.09 | octoserver | or rolling in pairs |
| 01:38.14 | Leafwiz | top ten |
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| 01:38.30 | CoolCold | awk|sort|uniq |
| 01:38.36 | octoserver | or perhaps rolling over your neighbors dog |
| 01:38.57 | gravity | I would go with perl, but perl or *nix + utilities will work just as well |
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| 01:39.05 | Leafwiz | mm |
| 01:39.11 | kingsley | Can iceweasel automatically open all links within a web page, each into its own tab? If so, how? |
| 01:40.56 | gravity | Leafwiz: If you want to learn perl (or whatever language) then having a project to work on is a fun way to do it. If you just want to get it done, go with what you know |
| 01:40.56 | unop | kingsley, ask the firefox guys perhaps? |
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| 01:41.45 | fureddo | When I run the command dpkg -i myPackage.deb, if the packages listed in Depends: (in the control file) are not met, should I get an error or should dpkg install the dependent packages automatically? |
| 01:42.16 | unop | fureddo, you should get an error |
| 01:42.19 | CoolCold | error |
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| 01:43.03 | fureddo | Thanks. That's what I thought. I guess it's the job of apt-get or aptitude to retrieve the dependencies automatically, not dpkg. |
| 01:43.35 | unop | fureddo, exactly right |
| 01:44.29 | Leafwiz | gravity: I would like to learn perl.. So I think I will do it with it. :) |
| 01:44.35 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: root@sunshine:~# mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:44.35 | Leafwiz | mdadm: failed to write superblock to /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:44.36 | gravity | Leafwiz: Cool, have fun :-) |
| 01:44.37 | pmo | hello i would like to restore my system, i mean i would like to install a testing system on a separate / chrooted partition ala bootstrap.. install all package i have on my main partition, test and when ready.. replace the main one, with the new one, is that possible.. easily, fast i mean ? |
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| 01:44.53 | Leafwiz | :/ |
| 01:45.07 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: let's repeat /proc/partitions && sfdisk -d ;) |
| 01:45.13 | gravity | Leafwiz: man perl is a good starting point. It comes with tons of docs, if you have perl-doc installed on Debian |
| 01:46.22 | CoolCold | ah, finally, my ISP fixed route issues..shouldn't get to my irssi over 2 hops now ;) |
| 01:46.25 | pmo | is there some tool to help me.. like get all package from a --get-seleciton or something etc.. or should i do it all by hand ? |
| 01:46.29 | Leafwiz | gravity: I have a book. :P |
| 01:46.33 | gravity | Leafwiz: Cool |
| 01:47.17 | pmo | someway i want to replicate my system somewhere ?? |
| 01:47.54 | CoolCold | erm |
| 01:48.43 | CoolCold | u can do dpkg --get-selections > file.txt and then dpkg --get-selections < file.txt && apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 01:48.59 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: http://fpaste.org/paste/2178 |
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| 01:49.57 | pmo | CoolCold, how do you say cool :) ;-) |
| 01:50.56 | pmo | CoolCold, gonna put your idea, in a sh file ;-).. i found something like jablicator, not sure it does something similar, but thanks for taking the time to build the correct line script.. |
| 01:51.01 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: pity...i really have no idea what the problem is |
| 01:51.33 | CoolCold | pmo: hehe, i had delicioced this line long time ago, just copypasted it ;) |
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| 01:52.53 | pmo | CoolCold, thanks.. and myself.. wrote it somewhere long time ago, i was close to write it again in notes.. ;-) |
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| 01:53.28 | pmo | CoolCold, well whatever thanks :) i will look to jablicator in the meantime, and see how i will do, thanks mate ;-) take care |
| 01:53.29 | SirFunk | hi... is there a way in APT to protect certain packages (aka. make sure they get pulled from a speciffic repo and not overwritten by anything else)? |
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| 01:53.54 | craigevil | SirFunk: pinning |
| 01:53.56 | pmo | SirFunk, there is |
| 01:53.59 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: Hmm.. I must formulate a letter to the grand wiz's then. Anyways, thanks for you time :) |
| 01:54.56 | SirFunk | how does that work or where can i find docs on it? |
| 01:56.15 | CoolCold | Leafwiz: ok. if it won't be hard please come back and pm me or send message on memoserv |
| 01:56.23 | CoolCold | when this will be fixed |
| 01:56.42 | CoolCold | don't wanna meet with the same problem and don't know what to do ;) |
| 01:57.41 | fureddo | Usually, where are located translation files for applications? |
| 01:58.21 | SirFunk | i think i found a good doc on it |
| 01:58.21 | SirFunk | thanks |
| 01:58.41 | Leafwiz | CoolCold: Okay, i'll do that if I find a solution. :) |
| 01:59.07 | jberg_ | can i suspend aptitude upgrade with ctrl-z and then resume downloading again later? |
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| 02:03.04 | superlinux | i just want to say i solved my problem by myself |
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| 02:03.53 | john_connor | is ftp the fastest, lowest overhead file transfer program ? |
| 02:04.16 | trentg | Hello, is the proper way to not have X start on boot to chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm? |
| 02:04.17 | twiadpaws | fsp aint a file transfer program |
| 02:04.20 | twiadpaws | it's a protocol |
| 02:04.29 | twiadpaws | err |
| 02:04.30 | twiadpaws | ft |
| 02:04.37 | twiadpaws | ftp* |
| 02:04.37 | john_connor | it's both |
| 02:04.41 | twiadpaws | no it's not |
| 02:04.48 | twiadpaws | ftp describe the protocol |
| 02:04.54 | john_connor | type ftp and press enter |
| 02:04.57 | twiadpaws | there are programs for it |
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| 02:05.06 | twiadpaws | omg |
| 02:05.06 | alsd | hi there |
| 02:05.07 | twiadpaws | forget it |
| 02:05.14 | john_connor | ftp is the name of one program |
| 02:05.17 | twiadpaws | you to wikipedia and search for ftp |
| 02:05.18 | mydrmeix | trentg: cat /etc/inittab default init then cd /etc/rc(initlevel) say rc2.d then rename the SXXgdm to KXXgdm with the difference of 100 |
| 02:05.35 | superlinux | i used to have mplayer say libnvidia-tls.so.1 => not found. while it is in /usr/lib/tls/ . all you have to do is: ln -s /usr/lib/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 /usr/lib |
| 02:05.54 | john_connor | is ftp the fastest, lowest overhead file transfer program ? |
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| 02:06.03 | xjkx | i'm using squid in my house to offer connection to my father and he can't run https:// using my proxy, whats wrong ? i can run https if i configure the browser of the server with the proxy, but not there |
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| 02:06.27 | superlinux | john_connor, how can you tell? |
| 02:06.41 | superlinux | is there a way? |
| 02:07.01 | john_connor | Supaplex_, scp is definitely slower |
| 02:07.11 | superlinux | true |
| 02:07.19 | trentg | mydrmeix, what do you mean difference of 100? |
| 02:07.34 | mydrmeix | trentg: in /etc/rc2.d there is a README |
| 02:07.41 | john_connor | superlinux, |
| 02:07.48 | superlinux | yes? |
| 02:07.53 | alsd | john_connor: of course, scp is going through ssh, so it's using some cypher to get through |
| 02:08.09 | superlinux | john_connor, dont worry i know it's a typo |
| 02:08.16 | john_connor | superlinux, just wanted to get your nick correct :) |
| 02:08.35 | superlinux | it's ok |
| 02:08.40 | alsd | john_connor: while ftp is just going clear all the way, it's much easier on your cpu |
| 02:08.56 | john_connor | http is slower also ? |
| 02:09.20 | superlinux | alsad but dont you think that a small file dont need cyphering? |
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| 02:10.00 | superlinux | it can be quickly sent |
| 02:10.16 | alsd | superlinux: your call, the fact is, if you go through ssh/sftp/scp, it's cyphered in transit |
| 02:10.54 | alsd | john_connor: http is sent clear, just as ftp |
| 02:11.12 | superlinux | ok, i hope i understood you correctly |
| 02:11.38 | alsd | superlinux: me too |
| 02:13.02 | CoolCold | john_connor: in different situations rsync may be faster for example |
| 02:13.25 | superlinux | cos what i was thinking of is that transfer time that a file would take is shorter without cyphering at the time of transmitting. |
| 02:14.18 | Guerin | on a modern cpu over a reasonably slow network (say, not gige) the bottleneck will be data, not encryption |
| 02:14.29 | alsd | superlinux: it depends on your cpu power, but if it's an issue, it can worsen transmit time |
| 02:14.50 | Guerin | if you're using a slow cpu on a fast network it could be different |
| 02:14.56 | superlinux | well my desktop is a xeon |
| 02:15.07 | Guerin | and your network? |
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| 02:15.16 | superlinux | ADSL |
| 02:15.27 | superlinux | 150KB/sec |
| 02:15.30 | Guerin | you have nothing to worry about with encryption using a reasonable cipher |
| 02:15.35 | Guerin | pfft |
| 02:15.53 | superlinux | i never worried |
| 02:16.00 | superlinux | i always send plain |
| 02:16.12 | Guerin | more effort than it's worth in 2009 |
| 02:16.16 | john_connor | ok i'll compare http and scp for this 400 Mb file |
| 02:16.19 | Guerin | ssh works with everything |
| 02:16.47 | superlinux | john_connor, use nohup |
| 02:16.54 | alsd | superlinux: cipher is of no use if you don't fear someone listening en route |
| 02:16.57 | superlinux | it's helpful |
| 02:18.16 | superlinux | you know what is there to send?! just family pictures. nothing that's of anyones interest |
| 02:19.32 | CoolCold | it can be faster to arhive a lot of small files in say tar and transfer one file, then unpack |
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| 02:19.53 | superlinux | CoolCold, that's right |
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| 02:20.14 | superlinux | but you need the others to know how to unpack |
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| 02:20.47 | CoolCold | everything has pro and contra |
| 02:21.14 | jabis | hmm anyone happen to know how to incorporate an extra option for context menu for gnome, I'd want to have the option to mount .iso's so I presume some sort of "mount -o loop" script is required |
| 02:21.34 | Guerin | the biggest cost in time in almost any network transfer is in figuring out how to do it |
| 02:21.58 | Guerin | save yourself time by using scp or rsync-over-ssh and just letting it chug away in the background |
| 02:22.17 | Guerin | it takes 30 seconds of your time; how much of the compuyter's time it takes is mostly irrelevane |
| 02:22.20 | Guerin | t |
| 02:22.28 | CoolCold | one can use smth like tar -cf bla.tar /home/user/blabla && scp bla.tar user@otherhost: && ssh user@otherhost tar -xf bla.tar -C /home/user/unpacked |
| 02:22.34 | Guerin | in fact |
| 02:23.00 | Guerin | i'd go so far as to say that you've already wasted too much time talking about it on irc when you could be doing something else more useful (like drinking beer, for instance) |
| 02:23.07 | Guerin | just do it and get on with life |
| 02:23.31 | h3king | Happy new year! everybody, today is "nian 30" in china! |
| 02:23.33 | jabis | under what retrospect is drinking beer more useful than banter in irc? :D |
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| 02:24.09 | alsd | jabis: under any retrospect! ;) |
| 02:24.55 | alsd | has drunk way too many beers already |
| 02:25.05 | dustybin | alsd: topic |
| 02:25.21 | Guerin | jabis: any you care to mention |
| 02:25.33 | Guerin | jabis: but it must be noted they're not mutually exclusive |
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| 02:27.22 | alsd | dustybin: i must say i agree, those flooders are boring. |
| 02:27.42 | jabis | which brings in mind, that I do have some beers left fridge'n'back |
| 02:28.02 | alsd | (or not) |
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| 02:30.18 | alsd | offers jabis a beer |
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| 02:31.30 | dustybin | !tell alsd about trolling |
| 02:31.39 | Guerin | dpkg, cisco is also http://www.bumwine.com/cisco.html |
| 02:31.39 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 02:33.03 | jabis | damn, another reboot... |
| 02:33.39 | alsd | dustybin: who's scorp? ;) |
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| 02:43.48 | Metatron | I have an older sb16 pnp sound card working under Debian Etch. The cards line in works, system sounds work, (like the boot sound and error beeps), but there is no sound in opera or ice weasal. Anyone have an idea what might be missing? |
| 02:46.39 | alsd | Metatron: what kind of sound doesn't work? it's usually not a browser's role to play sound |
| 02:47.25 | theholyduck | export PS1='C:${PWD//\//\\\}>' might be the evilest export ever |
| 02:47.58 | Metatron | no the sound card works, just not sound via the browser |
| 02:48.20 | Metatron | i can play music viles and system sounds work, but flash or trying to watch video in browser...nada |
| 02:48.54 | Metatron | im guessing im missing an install or three |
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| 02:49.58 | newsense_ | Metatron, you need to install a flash plugin |
| 02:50.38 | Metatron | i have flash plugin installed, i see the video, but no sound |
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| 02:53.40 | alsd | Metatron: do you have pulseaudio running ? i've been told it can cause trouble with flash sound |
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| 02:55.42 | Metatron | ill look, its whatever the defaults are for etch |
| 02:56.16 | rastaval | " Sublime - 40 Oz To Freedom " |
| 02:56.31 | Metatron | this is a realy old box, i was supprised that etch ran on it with gnome, was gonna put something light on it but its handling gnome...not lickety split, but well enuff |
| 02:58.37 | Metatron | after a very long journey into the boondocks of forums, i even have the old tv tuner working, its an ancient 4mb video card |
| 02:58.49 | mydrmeix | my surround sound doesnt work with the 32bit games :*( |
| 02:59.16 | rastaval | " original artist - 053 INSEPARABLE " |
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| 03:00.17 | mydrmeix | anybody have experience with 6channel sound on debian? |
| 03:00.49 | alsd | dustybin: i feel like you're lacking something not telling rastaval about trolling... well anyway |
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| 03:02.36 | alsd | Metatron: are you using alsa? latest flash only runs on alsa AFAIK |
| 03:03.07 | Metatron | pulseaudio isnt installed |
| 03:05.50 | Metatron | the "Multimedia Systems Selector" from the Gnome Control Center shows ALSA as the Default input Plugin and "Autodetect" as the default Output Plugin, clicking the test button next to pipeline produces a tone, the pipeling is grayed out but set to "autoaudiosink" |
| 03:06.10 | Sebboh | Hi. How much memory can a single process use on this machine: Linux asimov 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 18:29:31 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux ? And, if that's not enough information to tell, what information should I collect? |
| 03:06.27 | Metatron | is there some setting in the browser to set sound to alsa? |
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| 03:09.50 | alsd | Metatron: the flash plugin is independent from your browser, it will silently fail to play sound if it can't find what it wants anyway |
| 03:11.07 | alsd | Sebboh: a wild guess is that an unpatched kernel will allow for at most 2GB of memory for a process on x86 |
| 03:11.34 | pizza__ | 3GB |
| 03:12.37 | Metatron | i would have thought the flash plugin "inherited" its sound settings from the browsers |
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| 03:15.51 | twiadpaws | Metatron, does playing via a html command line work? |
| 03:15.55 | twiadpaws | playing sound* |
| 03:17.08 | Metatron | such as? |
| 03:17.45 | twiadpaws | such as html command line |
| 03:18.01 | twiadpaws | there's a possibility to play sound using html only |
| 03:18.18 | Metatron | like a midi file or something, is that what you mean? |
| 03:18.20 | twiadpaws | that's the way where it would use the browsers settings |
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| 03:18.53 | twiadpaws | any file |
| 03:20.47 | Metatron | ugg its hung |
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| 03:21.26 | twiadpaws | nah, irc still working |
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| 03:24.13 | Metatron | no the browser hung i meant, im vnc'ed into it, have to map a network drive no sound files on the drives that i know of |
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| 03:24.56 | I_Died_Once | http://www.efukt.com/2339_1_Guy_1_Cup.html |
| 03:25.04 | I_Died_Once | oooops, wrong place to paste |
| 03:25.31 | I_Died_Once | um, dont click that link, you will not be able to unsee what you will see |
| 03:26.17 | jelly-home | !pal I_Died_Once |
| 03:26.17 | dpkg | points at I_Died_Once and laughs uproariously |
| 03:27.22 | Metatron | when you right click an item in the tray you get a selection of choices, anyone know how to add a "KILL" choice to that selection |
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| 03:28.28 | twiadpaws | kill choice = ? |
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| 03:29.17 | Metatron | where do i do that? is there a config file someplace that cotrols that...which one |
| 03:29.45 | twiadpaws | I_Died_Once, dude, you're mad : \ |
| 03:29.56 | twiadpaws | dunno |
| 03:30.04 | acu_rodna | hey guys - debian is so user friendly - I am using it since few years now but I have the most basic frustration- I have an external drive 1.5 TB formated with NTFS- I have updated to Lenny and installed NTFS-3G - I mapped the drive to a folder in my home - however I am not able to write anything to the drive - can anyone help me ? |
| 03:30.05 | twiadpaws | Metatron, ask google :b |
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| 03:30.25 | Metatron | lol ok |
| 03:30.36 | twiadpaws | acu_rodna, have you got permission? |
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| 03:31.19 | twiadpaws | lo |
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| 03:32.02 | basix | can someone please point me to the fix for compiz-fusion video tearing / black screen problem? |
| 03:32.12 | adalhelm | okay so I've had serious stability issues with ubuntu. are these going to be resolved with debian? |
| 03:32.13 | basix | forgot to mention, I'm running Lenny/Sid |
| 03:32.22 | adalhelm | be honest. I'm really tired of how *not* robust ubuntu is. |
| 03:32.34 | twiadpaws | adalhelm, ubuntu depends on debian |
| 03:32.46 | basix | adalhelm, what problem do you have? |
| 03:32.51 | adalhelm | twiadpaws: I'm aware, I've been using Linux for a long time, I'm just rapidly losing my patience with it as a desktop platform. |
| 03:32.57 | adalhelm | I want a hassle free and stable machine, that is all |
| 03:32.58 | Raspberry | ok -- I've got an LVM / HW (LSI) RAID1 setup that doesn't want to seem to boot GRUB. The system sees both RAID arrays and installs fine, but won't boot after completeting the install. I've let it install on the master boot record and this last time I tried (hd0,0) I've tried the install without LVM and it still doesn't work. I am using the 5.0r1 amd64 netinst disc... as the 4.0 installer doesn't detect my NIC |
| 03:33.03 | adalhelm | basix: I have a laundry list, but I'll give you an example |
| 03:33.07 | Zharf | basix, easy, uninstall it |
| 03:33.12 | pickcoder | I connected an audio connector from my CD to the CD-in socket on my motherboard but for some reason I have no CD audio. I checked alsamixer and everything looks fine. |
| 03:33.25 | adalhelm | basix: my resolv.conf got wiped out by the gui network manager in ubuntu, and it had important nameservers I needed to be using. |
| 03:33.26 | Raspberry | On restart the system just sits at a blank screen with a blinking cursor which is supposedly "bad path" |
| 03:33.32 | basix | Zharf, please... something constructive? |
| 03:33.37 | stew | adalhelm: you should go to #ubuntu for discussion about ubuntu |
| 03:33.47 | adalhelm | stew: I'm kvetching, not seeking help. |
| 03:33.47 | pickcoder | adalhelm: gui net tools are crap in general, IMO |
| 03:33.51 | adalhelm | stew: I fixed it myself. |
| 03:33.51 | Zharf | basix, it was constructive! you'll be much more efficient with almost anything else! |
| 03:33.59 | stew | adalhelm: this is the wrong channel |
| 03:34.01 | adalhelm | pickcoder: yeah, well, I wasn't *using* them, they involuntarily took over the damn thing. |
| 03:34.01 | basix | Zharf, i *want* compiz-fusion |
| 03:34.06 | Raspberry | but /boot is /dev/hda1 -- and LVM is /dev/hda5 -- so the boot info is outside of the LVM |
| 03:34.17 | adalhelm | stew: I'm here to ask if debian will behave for me, Basix wanted a run down of what happened to me before making the recommendation. |
| 03:34.23 | Zharf | basix, silly person |
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| 03:34.41 | basix | adalhelm, dont think debian is a fix for ubuntu. coz i'm tired of some of debian's nonsense.. every distro has those issues so better you work them out |
| 03:34.43 | adalhelm | stew: I'll ask you instead. is it robust? will it override my decisions and hand-crafted conf files? |
| 03:34.47 | stew | adalhelm: you'll have to be more specific about your debian questions |
| 03:34.49 | pickcoder | adalhelm: debian will only do what you ask it too, but if you install autoconfig tools for a desktop then don't expect them to behave |
| 03:35.01 | adalhelm | pickcoder: I use openbox. they won't exist unless debian puts them there. |
| 03:35.04 | stew | adalhelm: which conffiles? |
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| 03:35.16 | adalhelm | stew: interfaces, resolv.conf, xorg.conf |
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| 03:35.50 | synaptic | Does anyone know where I can find a good tutorial on configuring my Debian server as a Samba domain controller, everything I find is for Sarge or older |
| 03:36.03 | stew | adalhelm: you are asking if debian would override your "decisions" in resolv.conf? |
| 03:36.10 | adalhelm | stew: sure. yes. |
| 03:36.14 | stew | adalhelm: maybe |
| 03:36.20 | adalhelm | stew: that's not comforting. :( |
| 03:36.42 | basix | so any compiz-fusion users here? i'm using the intel x3100 graphics card |
| 03:36.43 | pickcoder | dhclient will override it |
| 03:36.53 | adalhelm | stew: I'd go to BSD, but that's a huge bucket of hassle. I'm to the point with BSD where I honestly don't think it actually runs on *anyones* machine, they just crosscompile from something else. |
| 03:37.04 | pickcoder | I have never had anything screw up my networking apart from gnome-network-manager |
| 03:37.13 | adalhelm | pickcoder: how does initialize and bring up the DHCP on an interface without using dhclient? |
| 03:37.16 | stew | adalhelm: you should not expect debian to act much differently than ubuntu in these respects |
| 03:37.28 | adalhelm | stew: frick. |
| 03:37.44 | adalhelm | pickcoder: how does one, that is. |
| 03:37.46 | stew | adalhelm: there are package you can install, such as resolvconf and dhclient which exists specifically to overwrite resolv.conf |
| 03:37.48 | twiadpaws | synaptic, if you understand german, yes ;) |
| 03:38.06 | stew | adalhelm: there is nothing forcing you to use these tools, of course |
| 03:38.06 | synaptic | Heh, unfortunately not |
| 03:38.07 | acu_rodna | twiadpaws: even as root I cannot change access to the folder |
| 03:38.15 | synaptic | It's pretty difficult to set one up huh? |
| 03:38.20 | adalhelm | stew: how does one initialize a network interface without dhclient? |
| 03:38.35 | adalhelm | stew: I usually use ifconfig eth# up && dhclient eth# |
| 03:38.37 | stew | adalhelm: by statically configuring one in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:38.41 | synaptic | I've got a file server with Samba setup but domain controllers seem extremely difficult even for people who are relatively linux savvy |
| 03:38.43 | twiadpaws | acu_rodna, you haven't mounted it as read-only, have you? |
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| 03:38.59 | adalhelm | stew: so there is no way to have manual nameservers and dhcp at the same time? |
| 03:39.02 | stew | adalhelm: in debian we'd encourage you to configure your networking in /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 03:39.05 | stew | adalhelm: yes |
| 03:39.16 | adalhelm | stew: and then use ifup eth0? |
| 03:39.28 | stew | adalhelm: you can configure dhclient in /etc/dhclient.conf or /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. or you can use resolvconf |
| 03:39.42 | stew | adalhelm: you could, or you could have ifup eth0 run automatically |
| 03:39.49 | freyyr | hi, i just installed the powerpc port of debian on my friend's 3g imac and i'm having video issues. gdm is incredibly slow and i think X is responsible. any ideas? |
| 03:40.00 | pickcoder | Raspberry: it could be a controller driver issue. what controller are you using |
| 03:40.06 | adalhelm | freyyr: install wdm or xdm. |
| 03:40.09 | alsd | synaptic: i'd suggest the official samba docs. that said, it sure helps to have some background in windows networking |
| 03:40.24 | freyyr | adalhelm: thanks, i'll give it a shot. |
| 03:40.30 | synaptic | Yeah that's actually what I'm looking at right now |
| 03:40.35 | adalhelm | freyyr: I use wdm on a slow work machine. |
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| 03:40.57 | synaptic | I guess looking for a relatively quick how-to is asking for too much |
| 03:41.05 | adalhelm | synaptic: this *is* linux. |
| 03:41.06 | synaptic | Thank you for the help alsd and twiadpaws |
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| 03:41.26 | synaptic | haha no I'm okay with lots of work |
| 03:41.44 | adalhelm | synaptic: I'm not, I admin Linux servers for a living. |
| 03:41.48 | adalhelm | hence, scripting! |
| 03:41.50 | twiadpaws | god damn why is everyone sleeping |
| 03:41.51 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I'm using an LSI controller |
| 03:41.53 | synaptic | Not like I haven't gotten my hands dirty before |
| 03:41.58 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I'll see if I can find the spec here |
| 03:42.13 | synaptic | So you've probably done a lot of work with Samba huh? |
| 03:42.25 | _adrenaline | do people run debian as servers and if so do they udate everytime debian says too? I mean everytime update ubuntu something breaks. I was wondering if you get a good install of debian do you leave it alone? |
| 03:42.41 | Raspberry | pickcoder: it's an LSI MR10i controller -- I can install the system and mount them fine... I just can't boot off them |
| 03:42.41 | adalhelm | _adrenaline: want to hear a Linux admin tell you what we do? |
| 03:42.50 | pickcoder | _adrenaline: I have about 5 major servers running and I keep things as current as I can |
| 03:43.00 | adalhelm | _adrenaline: I'll tell you in query how we run things. I have 50,000 users across 300 servers. |
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| 03:43.10 | synaptic | Wow! |
| 03:43.18 | adalhelm | synaptic: wow what? |
| 03:43.23 | synaptic | That's a lot of clients |
| 03:43.26 | adalhelm | synaptic: it's a job. |
| 03:43.33 | synaptic | Most I've done is printer migration for bank of america |
| 03:43.36 | alsd | _adrenaline: ubuntu isn't ment for servers |
| 03:43.38 | adalhelm | synaptic: that's not counting that users have multiple connections. |
| 03:43.58 | pickcoder | alsd: there is a commercial server version but it's O/T |
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| 03:44.04 | adalhelm | synaptic: there are 100-500k open connections at any given moment. |
| 03:44.17 | liable | heh, mplayer just gave me this error .. "brainfart cropping is not supported. this could look slightly wrong" |
| 03:44.36 | twiadpaws | adalhelm, how do you now, have you counted them? : o |
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| 03:45.48 | adalhelm | twiadpaws: they have accounts, you run a grep and a wc -l and you tend to get answers. |
| 03:45.55 | twiadpaws | acu_rodna, btw i wouldn't recommend to write on a ntfs formatted harddisk using linux |
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| 03:46.02 | Raspberry | so why are you in here asking for help then? |
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| 03:46.08 | adalhelm | twiadpaws: do you think I counted them with a pencil and pad of paper? |
| 03:46.35 | pickcoder | Raspberry: that's an IBM controller |
| 03:46.36 | twiadpaws | adalhelm, sorry I'm just kidding ;D |
| 03:46.43 | adalhelm | twiadpaws: eesokay. |
| 03:46.52 | pickcoder | I have no idea what kind of support there is for that |
| 03:46.54 | Raspberry | pickcoder: it's not the "ServeRAID" branded version |
| 03:47.03 | pickcoder | there is no MR10i controller from LSI |
| 03:47.05 | freyyr | adalhelm: same issue with wdm, really slow. i'm thinking xorg issue. |
| 03:47.08 | pickcoder | so it's an IBM product |
| 03:47.37 | pickcoder | Raspberry: what does lspci say about the chipset? |
| 03:47.40 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I have an IBM / Lenovo Server, but it boot up and declares itself LSI... look at the ThinkServer TS100 (6432) that's the box I've got. Just released a few months ago |
| 03:47.41 | pickcoder | MR10i? |
| 03:48.02 | acu_rodna | twiadpaws: why? is fat32 better ? |
| 03:48.09 | adalhelm | freyyr: nah, drivers. |
| 03:48.27 | adalhelm | freyyr: I've used ubuntu on a PowerMac G4...it was okay but not great, but it had a decent graphics card in it. |
| 03:48.34 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I'm rebooting the box now -- i'll tell you in just a sec |
| 03:48.48 | freyyr | adalhelm: any driver you recommend? |
| 03:48.54 | _adrenaline | I agree but I kind of throw ubuntu and debian in the same sentence |
| 03:49.14 | stew | please take the ubuntu discussion to #ubuntu |
| 03:49.18 | adalhelm | freyyr: I used the open source ati driver because my powermac had an ATI card. Your mileage may vary. |
| 03:49.20 | nbeebo | how to install the latest qt 4.1 lib? |
| 03:49.44 | pickcoder | wonders why his DVD/CD refuses to put audio through the motherboard |
| 03:50.26 | Raspberry | pickcoder: in the LSI Controller config it declares the adapter to be "SAS1064E" |
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| 03:50.29 | pickcoder | Raspberry: you can always boot a live CD |
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| 03:51.20 | Raspberry | pickcoder: yup -- I have -- I can install it... I'm booted to the Rescue CD now |
| 03:51.25 | adalhelm | stew: ruh-roh. whipping out the hammer? |
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| 03:51.48 | twiadpaws | acu_rodna, no, file sizes are cut down to 4 gb when using fat 32 |
| 03:51.53 | pickcoder | Raspberry: what does dmesg say about the device? |
| 03:51.56 | Raspberry | pickcoder: the Debian.org WIKI mentions the card... http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Fujitsu/PrimergyTX120S1/etch |
| 03:52.07 | bpun | sysv-rc-conf is the bitch! :) |
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| 03:52.09 | pickcoder | I just saw that.. I'm looking at another one |
| 03:52.24 | bpun | youpiiiiiiii |
| 03:52.58 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I'm booting to the NetInst CD again now |
| 03:52.58 | twiadpaws | acu_rodna, stuff can go wrong by writing onto a ntfs harddisk using linux, because it's microcrap stuff and there have been developed drivers for linux which can work, but dont have to. tu sum up, you may use it but you shouldn't complain when things go wrong |
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| 03:53.20 | pickcoder | Raspberry: is there a reason you want amd64? |
| 03:53.21 | twiadpaws | acu_rodna, i was always able to read from ntfs harddisk, have never tried to write onto one though |
| 03:53.42 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I've got 8GB of RAM and it's going to be a VirtualHost for a bunch of Dev projects. |
| 03:53.55 | pickcoder | bigmem can handle the ram |
| 03:54.01 | pickcoder | up to 16GB |
| 03:54.10 | pickcoder | or is it 64 |
| 03:54.11 | Raspberry | pickcoder: should I go to the i386 installer |
| 03:54.19 | pickcoder | try the etch-n-half installer for i386 |
| 03:54.26 | bpun | Raspberry, how much are those ram pci gadgets? |
| 03:54.32 | pickcoder | if the base system installs then you may have to build a custom installer for your RAID |
| 03:54.41 | pickcoder | under amd64 |
| 03:54.44 | Raspberry | pickcoder: the 4.0 installer doesn't work with the NIC |
| 03:54.59 | pickcoder | etch-n-half has the .24 kernel |
| 03:55.08 | pickcoder | 4.0 has .18 |
| 03:55.27 | Raspberry | pickcoder: i'd prefer to stay as "standard" as possible because everytime I Q&A on anything people like to point out anything that you'd write yourself and blame that :) |
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| 03:56.45 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I've tried the 4.0r6 installer and that doesn't work with the BroadComm Xtreme NIC ... the 4.0r6 have .18 or .24? /me goes to look |
| 03:56.52 | rizza | Are there any Debian dev's in here? |
| 03:56.54 | bpun | I'm wondering why webmin isn't available in the standard debian repo.. is there a similar package that does what webmin does? |
| 03:57.02 | pickcoder | etchnhalf |
| 03:57.08 | pickcoder | !etchnhalf |
| 03:57.08 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 03:57.15 | Raspberry | pickcoder: yup, downloading it now |
| 03:57.33 | Raspberry | pickcoder: < 15min I'll be installing with it |
| 03:57.45 | rizza | Is there news on lenny status |
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| 03:58.03 | pickcoder | rizza: bugs.debian.org look at the RC bugs affecting release |
| 03:58.14 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I appreciate all the help :) |
| 03:58.50 | pickcoder | Raspberry: can you fix my CD/DVD audio? Heh.. |
| 03:58.51 | stew | rizza: /topic ; we are waiting on a rc2 of the installer, and then we need some of those bugs to go away: /msg dpkg rcbugs |
| 03:58.59 | Raspberry | pickcoder: sure :) |
| 03:59.17 | pickcoder | digs for another audio jumper |
| 03:59.19 | Raspberry | bpun: no idea |
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| 04:00.17 | stew | bpun: webmin was removed becuase it was a security nightmare, and after a year of trying the previous maintainer couldn't find anyone willing to maintain it |
| 04:00.50 | stew | bpun: well actually the webmin develpers offered to maintain it but their packages were of such low quality that their .debs weren't accepted |
| 04:00.52 | pickcoder | webmin is horrid in my experiences |
| 04:01.26 | Raspberry | pickcoder: do you think once I've got the system installed with Etch-n-half I'll be able to update to testing? I'm using bugzilla3 and what-not -- I suppose I could read a bit mor eon how to backport things from testing to stable |
| 04:01.30 | rizza | Thanks! I'll keep an eye on it. |
| 04:01.35 | pickcoder | if you truely don't want to learn how to configure the software your server is running then maybe Linux isn't your forte' |
| 04:01.54 | pickcoder | Raspberry: I think there is a lenny installer already |
| 04:02.07 | pickcoder | I have never downloaded it |
| 04:02.10 | Raspberry | pickcoder: I tried the lenny installer... isn't that the 5.0r1 |
| 04:02.22 | stew | there has been a lenny installer since there has been a lenny |
| 04:02.35 | rizza | Are the any developers in Colorado USA |
| 04:02.38 | stew | 5.0r1 certainly doesn't exist yet |
| 04:02.39 | Raspberry | pickcoder: that's what's giving me the black screen with blinking cursor |
| 04:02.42 | pickcoder | stew: then why does everyone suggest installing etch and the doing dist-upgrade |
| 04:02.59 | Raspberry | stew: well then tell whoever is releasing the isos on thedebian.org to rename it |
| 04:03.02 | twiadpaws | ow guys, do i have to initialize new cronjobs somehow? |
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| 04:03.24 | Raspberry | pickcoder: because apparently you can't install lenny :) That's the situation I'm in now... it installs fine, but won't boot after install |
| 04:03.40 | stew | Raspberry: rename what? |
| 04:03.45 | stew | pickcoder: who? i don't know |
| 04:03.57 | stew | pickcoder: the recommended way to install etch now is with the lenny installer |
| 04:03.58 | dancor | i switched to 2.6.28 for my 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection [8086:4237]. i also installed firmware-iwlwifi and the microcode from http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn. however, now 'modprobe iwlagn' produces output in /var/log/messages, but doesn't seem to recognize my card |
| 04:04.07 | dancor | the wireless switch is on on the laptop |
| 04:04.19 | dancor | what could be wrong or what should i try next |
| 04:04.46 | stew | rizza: debian develpopers? http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc |
| 04:05.27 | bpun | stew, that's interesting... but webmin has been out of debian for quite some time from what i remember.. |
| 04:05.41 | stew | bpun: since 2005 iirc |
| 04:05.46 | pickcoder | twiadpaws: not that I'm aware of |
| 04:05.58 | stew | yes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html (/msg dpkg webmin) |
| 04:06.05 | nbeebo | fucking burn all the jews the gooks the asians the niggers the south americans south europeans and .. canadians? lol |
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| 04:06.54 | Raspberry | hmm... so I should be installing etch with the lenny testing rc1 installer? |
| 04:07.12 | stew | Raspberry: no, eith the etchnhalf installer: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 04:07.18 | Raspberry | ok |
| 04:07.22 | Raspberry | i'm downloading etchnhalf now |
| 04:07.48 | stew | its a lenny installer in disguise |
| 04:08.00 | stew | but it installs etch. the rc1 installer installs lenny |
| 04:08.03 | Raspberry | i already ave 4.0r6 and lenny testing rc1 downloaded and attempted ... both failing ... etch = no NIC support , lenny = no boot after install |
| 04:08.12 | twiadpaws | pickcoder, well I've put a script into cron.hourly it just didn't start |
| 04:08.14 | bpun | stew, that's quite a sad rip story for webmin sniff* |
| 04:08.21 | Raspberry | i used to use Webmin |
| 04:08.24 | twiadpaws | manually it worked finde |
| 04:08.30 | Raspberry | :-p in ~2000 or 2001 :0 |
| 04:08.38 | stew | twiadpaws: i'd guess that you have a . in the name of the script |
| 04:08.44 | Raspberry | stew: thx for the info |
| 04:09.16 | stew | twiadpaws: scripts with a . in the name are ignored. see the naming resrictions in 'man run-parts' |
| 04:09.27 | Raspberry | i'm going to have a lot of coasters after today |
| 04:09.27 | twiadpaws | such as .sh? |
| 04:09.35 | stew | twiadpaws: yes |
| 04:09.44 | twiadpaws | stew, screw me : \ |
| 04:09.45 | stew | Raspberry: they don't make very good coasters |
| 04:09.51 | twiadpaws | thanx |
| 04:09.51 | bpun | i resumed a little debiannes back into my life and noticed network-manager << i reckon this is a new sidekick to the network daemon? |
| 04:09.54 | stew | twiadpaws: buy me a drink |
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| 04:10.10 | Raspberry | stew: it's -2F here right now -- so there's not much condensation going on anyway :) |
| 04:10.14 | twiadpaws | stew, of course ;) |
| 04:10.31 | stew | i mean, its the least you can do if i'm to screw you |
| 04:10.47 | Raspberry | ftw |
| 04:11.03 | twiadpaws | oh i did great job i used rm instead of mv, i think it's time for bed i could bite myself in the ass |
| 04:12.22 | rizza | Anyone here a maintain or new maintainer |
| 04:12.30 | pickcoder | cheap vendors... don't even include audio cables in new drives |
| 04:12.43 | stew | rizza: uhh, i maintain |
| 04:12.51 | Raspberry | pickcoder: you need some ? are you in the states? I've got a box of about 50 |
| 04:13.08 | pickcoder | I have a box full of case/drive crap at the office but it doesn't help me right now |
| 04:13.19 | pickcoder | my audio works fine in KDE |
| 04:13.25 | pickcoder | but no audio from the CD |
| 04:13.46 | rizza | Stew - You have advice for someone wanting to start the path to debian package maintanance |
| 04:14.06 | pickcoder | stew: wanna adopt a package? :) |
| 04:14.29 | stew | pickcoder: my debian dancecard is pretty full, but what? |
| 04:14.33 | pickcoder | I'll even send a free-beer ticket with it. |
| 04:14.41 | pickcoder | OpenQM |
| 04:14.52 | pickcoder | I'll bundle it.. all I need is someone to put it up for me |
| 04:14.57 | pickcoder | in non-free |
| 04:15.09 | stew | rizza: read the nm guide. look for a package which is up for adoption or orphaned. subscribe to lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 04:15.16 | bpun | ~ask ask |
| 04:16.10 | stew | i'm not too likely to spend time on a non-free package |
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| 04:16.30 | pickcoder | It may end up under GPL-only |
| 04:16.49 | pickcoder | I dunno yet. The GPL source was cut-off from the original vendor. |
| 04:17.00 | pickcoder | right now it's dual-licensed |
| 04:17.01 | Raspberry | ok -- so I'm installing now... I've got my two RAID1 arrays, /dev/sda1 mounting as /boot, /dev/sda5 as LVM and /dev/sdb1 as LVM... we'll see what happens |
| 04:17.36 | Raspberry | i'd be great to see iFolder packaged |
| 04:18.00 | Raspberry | I used that with a few customers of mine open Novell's SuSE Server |
| 04:18.11 | pickcoder | I'm likely going to the Pick conference in March so I may be able to persuade them to let me publish it in main if I can get the dual-license tag off. |
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| 04:18.25 | pickcoder | 'course that's a sticky subject with them at this point. :) |
| 04:18.31 | stew | pickcoder: its distributable under the gpl? |
| 04:18.38 | twiadpaws | is there a possibility to recreate it? god damn |
| 04:18.50 | stew | dual license is fine if at least one of the licenses is free |
| 04:18.51 | pickcoder | yes.. but contributions can be put back into the commercial distribution too |
| 04:19.04 | pickcoder | and they become property of the vendor |
| 04:19.16 | stew | pickcoder: so its not distributable under the gpl? |
| 04:19.18 | rizza | Thanks Stew! One quick item. When maintaining a package is it normal to maintain all branchs at once? What I mean is, Do most maintainers do this. |
| 04:19.23 | pickcoder | but that may be changing.. I think some developers, including myself, may be forking it. |
| 04:19.37 | pickcoder | stew: it's kinda confusing the way they did it. |
| 04:19.53 | pickcoder | It's like MySQL, but they didn't hire the same lawyer to write the licenses |
| 04:19.54 | bpun | wondering if anyone here uses vga= on their bootline |
| 04:19.57 | Raspberry | makes having a desktop and a laptop incredible easy to manage... www.ifolder.com -- I can't believe more people haven't snatched this up... I'm trying to package it now, but it's fairly confusing :) |
| 04:20.20 | pickcoder | it's GPL'd, but it's not the original GPL |
| 04:20.27 | stew | rizza: by branches, you mean stable,testing,unstable? or something else? |
| 04:20.39 | stew | pickcoder: what do you mean by "it's GPL'd" then? |
| 04:20.40 | bpun | Raspberry, but can u customize where u want the target storage or is fixed to ifolder.com ? |
| 04:20.48 | Raspberry | bpun: I had to use vga= for a Quadro video card that apparently has an issue with GRUB and the framerate |
| 04:21.04 | Raspberry | bpun: you setup your OWN server... |
| 04:21.06 | rizza | Stew - Yes...Sorry I didn't clarify correctly. |
| 04:21.12 | stew | rizza: then yes, that is common |
| 04:21.37 | pickcoder | it's free for use and distribution |
| 04:21.39 | pickcoder | with no support |
| 04:21.52 | pickcoder | changes made to the core can become property of the vendor at any time |
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| 04:21.58 | Raspberry | bpun: it doesn't have any association with iFolder's servers... so you install the ifolder server on your server then you can sync documents between macs, linux, windows the whole deal -- it's encrypted, has a web-access interface and syncs locked files |
| 04:22.00 | bpun | Raspberry, hey hey hey watch the caps there :) |
| 04:22.23 | tbrock | hey guys, i was wondering if someone would be able to help me burn an iso to a usb drive |
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| 04:22.36 | tbrock | unetbootin only works with the predefined linux isos |
| 04:22.38 | Raspberry | bpun: handles conflict mgmt too |
| 04:22.39 | stew | pickcoder: this isn't true if the core is GPL |
| 04:22.40 | rizza | Stew - I should build a package first the apt-source way? Then adjust the dependencies for each branch? |
| 04:22.46 | bpun | Raspberry, looks interesting, btw u know anything like this for browser bookmarks? |
| 04:22.52 | pickcoder | stew: it's a pcode engine that is written in pcode... |
| 04:23.02 | Raspberry | bpun: you could make it do your firefox profile |
| 04:23.03 | tbrock | but im in debian and trying to write byte for byte this iso file to a usb drive so i can boot from it |
| 04:23.16 | pickcoder | it's a self-sustaining compiler so that any program you compile becomes part of the core |
| 04:23.19 | Raspberry | bpun: you specify which paths on your workstations you want to sync... |
| 04:23.33 | pickcoder | which is kinda neat, but also a nightmare to try to license |
| 04:23.33 | bpun | Raspberry, hmm.. goly moly.. i'll look into it :p |
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| 04:24.14 | tbrock | guys? |
| 04:24.17 | stew | rizza: a package maintainer would only build packages for unstable except for unusual circumstances. the packages they upload to unstable may eventually get migrated to testing, and then possibly be included in a stable release. its not that maintainers prepare packages for stable or testing except for unusual circumstances like security updates |
| 04:24.32 | Raspberry | bpun: I use it with a few hundred people (my customers) and they love it... all their work docs they want to take home are synced at home before they get there... they just drop them in the iFolder... drive home and they're already sitting on their computer |
| 04:24.47 | stew | pickcoder: it sounds like it was licensed by people that don't understand licensing |
| 04:24.52 | pickcoder | exactly |
| 04:24.56 | toolz | Hi, how do I flush de memory or something, can I do that? some processes used to eat a lot of ram but now they dont.. but seems that ram is still used even if those processes still do not run |
| 04:25.00 | toolz | the* |
| 04:25.04 | craigevil | tbrock: are you wanting to install from the usb ? |
| 04:25.16 | pickcoder | they wanted to do what MySQL did |
| 04:25.20 | stew | pickcoder: heh, yeah, they say "Users of the open source version of OpenQM must register for access to the download site, giving their name, postal address and email address. Access is controlled by a password that must not be divulged to third parties. " |
| 04:25.21 | pickcoder | but it didn't happen |
| 04:25.24 | stew | pickcoder: but that is false |
| 04:25.29 | tbrock | craigevil, exactly |
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| 04:25.37 | tbrock | iso is non-linux |
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| 04:25.48 | stew | pickcoder: its either available under the gpl, or the above statement is false |
| 04:25.51 | tbrock | but im in debian and want to write the iso to a usb stick |
| 04:25.57 | stew | pickcoder: it can't be both |
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| 04:26.37 | pickcoder | I'm kinda caught on both sides.. I can see the benefit the GPL'd release would have if it got exposure under Debian |
| 04:26.52 | rizza | Stew - Got it. I wasn't sure. The way open source is moving. I'm amazed at how fast the version number increase on things the Gimp and Firefox. Thanks Again!! |
| 04:26.58 | pickcoder | however, the vendor is not going to support the project now |
| 04:28.15 | tbrock | craigevil, any ideas? |
| 04:28.16 | rizza | Stew - What are the packages your maintaining? |
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| 04:29.21 | stew | rizza: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=stew@debian.org |
| 04:29.28 | pickcoder | stew: we argued for months about the registration requirements for the GPL'd source and it got no where |
| 04:29.46 | pickcoder | there's plenty of reading material in the OpenQM google group |
| 04:29.52 | stew | pickcoder: there are no registration requirements for the GPL'd source |
| 04:30.10 | pickcoder | you have to submit a registration page to download it |
| 04:30.15 | stew | pickcoder: no you don't |
| 04:30.25 | stew | well maybe from that site |
| 04:30.33 | craigevil | tbrock: take a look at http://linux.simple.be/debian/usb |
| 04:30.34 | stew | but if someone downloads it, you can download it from them |
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| 04:31.00 | pickcoder | yes and the vendor frowned on public redistribution since they couldn't track interest |
| 04:31.10 | pickcoder | the whole was done cockeyed |
| 04:31.15 | pickcoder | ~whole thing |
| 04:31.39 | stew | if the vendor doesn't want it to be redistributed, the GPL was a poor choice |
| 04:31.43 | Raspberry | ok... so with this RAID LVM system ... should I install GRUB to (hd0) or (hd0,0) |
| 04:31.49 | pickcoder | I had a Debian packager setup several years ago but I didn't want to sign-up and download the source weekly just to rebuild the DEB |
| 04:32.08 | Raspberry | I've tried both with the Lenny testing installer and they both fail... now we're trying the etch-n-half |
| 04:32.09 | pickcoder | stew: it's not that.. they wanted to see how much interest there was.. personally |
| 04:32.21 | pickcoder | instead of through some other automated menans |
| 04:32.22 | pickcoder | means |
| 04:32.35 | tbrock | craigevil, ok |
| 04:32.41 | Metatron | hey i killed the panel accidently, what starts it back up |
| 04:32.57 | pickcoder | Raspberry: it really shouldn't matter but I always put it on the boot sector |
| 04:32.58 | Metatron | nm i got it |
| 04:32.58 | Raspberry | Metatron: CTRL+ALT+BKSP |
| 04:33.01 | rizza | Stew - Wow! You aren't kidding. You do have a lot on your plate. Thank You for maintaining these packages. I know that all of us who use them don't say it enough. |
| 04:33.57 | Raspberry | pickcoder: yeah I typically install on the MBR too -- but I saw some posts from people saying (hd0,0) worked, but (hd0) didn't |
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| 04:34.42 | stew | rizza: :) |
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| 04:35.51 | bpun | rizza, appreciation, consideration, and celebration is what makes the community oink :) |
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| 04:37.10 | rizza | Stew - When you test your packages for different arch's. Do you have access to those types of machines. Example being x86, alpha, sparc64, PA-Risc. |
| 04:37.13 | Raspberry | pickcoder: does the same thing with etch-n-half |
| 04:37.23 | Raspberry | pickcoder: black screen with blinking cursor on restart |
| 04:38.23 | stew | rizza: there are developer machines for some of the arches, but getting packages installed on them is not straightforward, so, in general, one has to rely on the porting teams for those arches, and users of those arches |
| 04:39.00 | stew | i have sparc and ppc machines here just for that reason |
| 04:41.40 | tbrock | craigevil, how will it know to use my iso |
| 04:41.44 | tbrock | instead of the debian one |
| 04:41.48 | tbrock | do i need to specify |
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| 04:41.56 | rizza | Stew - I see. Good thing I work for computer refurbisher and have a personal collection of Alpha, sparc32, sparc64, mips(Qube2), Arm(Acorn), and my favorite a PA-RISC HP Tower. |
| 04:43.21 | pickcoder | Raspberry: where did you put /boot/ |
| 04:43.57 | bpun | git |
| 04:44.00 | bpun | oops |
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| 04:45.18 | toolz | how do I flush de memory or something, can I do that? some processes used to eat a lot of ram but now they dont.. but seems that ram is still used even if those processes still do not run |
| 04:46.23 | pickcoder | toolz: that's normal paging |
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| 04:48.22 | rizza | Stew - Just looked through the orphan list. That's scary. Have developer given up on some of these. I seem to think this is longer than I would have expected. |
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| 04:51.23 | Raspberry | pickcoder |
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| 04:51.33 | Raspberry | pickcoder: outside of the lvm... |
| 04:51.58 | toolz | pickcoder, and can I do something about? |
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| 04:56.22 | IamSOG | testing |
| 04:56.29 | OrSpeeder | debian 4.0r0 can run Code::Blocks 8.02? |
| 04:56.30 | IamSOG | oh! nice! I finally joint |
| 04:57.06 | IamSOG | um... isn't the currecnt version debian 7? oh wait 8 |
| 04:57.25 | liable | 4.1 |
| 04:57.41 | IamSOG | Oh wait, sorry, that's ubuntu |
| 04:57.44 | OrSpeeder | Oo |
| 04:57.48 | OrSpeeder | wtf >.< |
| 04:57.57 | IamSOG | I am running debian though, it support my laptop better :P |
| 04:57.58 | OrSpeeder | Ubuntu 7 can not run Code::Blocks |
| 04:58.08 | OrSpeeder | but Ubuntu 8 do not run well on coLinux |
| 04:58.18 | OrSpeeder | thus I am installing debian 4.0r0 coLinux |
| 04:58.53 | IamSOG | oic |
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| 04:59.24 | IamSOG | I didn't though I could join this channel with this slow laptop... last time I join, my kopete just closed by it self |
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| 05:00.41 | IamSOG | um.. by the way, I am wondering if there's a command in debian to restore everything as if it's a new fresh install? |
| 05:01.06 | liable | no |
| 05:01.39 | IamSOG | thanks liable, just wodner :D no reasons why I ask :P |
| 05:01.51 | toolz | hey liable |
| 05:01.52 | liable | heh, ok |
| 05:02.27 | toolz | liable, do you have any idea why after some time my ram runs out, I mean it is used by some processes and when the processes does not use it anymore it remains used |
| 05:02.32 | toolz | can I fix that? |
| 05:02.48 | toolz | like flush it or something |
| 05:03.13 | liable | !free memory |
| 05:03.13 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 05:03.38 | liable | toolz: get your wireless working? |
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| 05:04.21 | toolz | liable neah I quitted last night and went to sleep |
| 05:04.24 | toolz | I will try later :D |
| 05:05.14 | liable | i installed network-manager-kde last night to see what the problem is, and it works fine for me |
| 05:05.40 | liable | just right click, enable wireless, click on the ssid to connect. done |
| 05:05.53 | toolz | I installed that |
| 05:06.02 | toolz | it was showing me no device selected or no device found |
| 05:06.06 | toolz | I couldnt use that |
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| 05:06.51 | OrSpeeder | :/ |
| 05:07.28 | ZitZ | I installed b43-fwcutter, but my bcm4311 still will not work, eth1 or wlan0 does not show up |
| 05:09.55 | liable | what does dmesg say when the module is loaded? |
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| 05:10.43 | ZitZ | nothing |
| 05:10.55 | liable | it must say something |
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| 05:12.09 | ZitZ | well it does say the module is loaded but there is no error |
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| 05:12.30 | liable | whats your ifconfig -a output? |
| 05:13.11 | ZitZ | it shows just the ethernet and the loopback |
| 05:13.31 | liable | did you give the -a ? |
| 05:13.46 | ZitZ | yes, i did |
| 05:14.05 | liable | paste your lspci and dmesg output to pastebin |
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| 05:15.23 | Raspberry | stew: maybe my issue is my Programming interface of the SATA controller :) |
| 05:15.31 | Raspberry | stew: I suppose that could keep it from booting |
| 05:15.47 | pickcoder | hm.. so it's not the audio cable |
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| 05:17.29 | Raspberry | hmmm ... so it won't boot using AHCI :) |
| 05:17.41 | johan____ | hey, i was in a middle of an aptitude full-upgrade when my inet connection broke, is there a way i can resume it? |
| 05:17.47 | johan____ | without starting over.. |
| 05:18.04 | liable | johan____: it picks up where it left off |
| 05:18.11 | johan____ | oh, great |
| 05:18.46 | toolz | I have 5.20 GB of RAM cached |
| 05:18.53 | toolz | is that normal |
| 05:19.11 | liable | toolz: didnt you read what dpkg said about free memory? |
| 05:19.12 | Raspberry | yes' |
| 05:19.36 | toolz | I read but it seems to be a difference on how thing work now and how thing worked when all was free |
| 05:19.51 | toolz | from what I read it shouldnt be any difference.. but it is |
| 05:19.53 | toolz | it is slower. |
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| 05:20.04 | ZitZ | http://pastebin.com/m7e3c30a2 is dmesg and http://pastebin.com/mr6b2f48 is lspci |
| 05:20.06 | liable | define slower |
| 05:20.15 | pickcoder | curses HD audio |
| 05:20.41 | toolz | for example I run a server when all the others are idling |
| 05:21.00 | toolz | latency wents up and down up and down not being constant down anymore |
| 05:21.04 | toolz | a game server |
| 05:21.31 | ZitZ | ooops, that was suppossed to be http:/pastebin.com/mf6b2f48 for lspci |
| 05:22.10 | liable | sheesh, that dmesg output is noisy |
| 05:23.24 | ZitZ | yeah dell xps laptop |
| 05:24.34 | liable | ZitZ: you dont have a rfkill button on that thing do you? |
| 05:27.08 | ZitZ | By rfkill are you referring to the switch on the side that toggles the wireless card? |
| 05:27.15 | liable | yeah |
| 05:27.20 | ZitZ | Yes there is |
| 05:27.36 | pickcoder | prepares to make an attitude adjustment to a CDROM |
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| 05:27.49 | liable | ZitZ: i think thats your problem |
| 05:28.07 | ZitZ | I've been fiddling with it, I tried disabling it in the bios |
| 05:28.33 | liable | ZitZ: see linux-laptop.net and see if your model has any info about it |
| 05:28.40 | liable | !laptop |
| 05:28.40 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <netbook>, <laptop mode>. |
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| 05:32.35 | ZitZ | Is the "official broadcom driver" the site refers to the same as b43-fwcutter |
| 05:33.48 | EagleScreen | i have a Broadcom wireless card |
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| 05:34.30 | ZitZ | I hate them, they have always been hell on linux and even my windows friends have trouble with them |
| 05:34.53 | EagleScreen | my card works well with Broadcom's driver |
| 05:35.15 | ZitZ | Is broadcom's driver the same as using b43-fwcutter or are they different drivers? |
| 05:35.17 | newsense | i like my broadcom card personally supports packet injection via the mac80211 module |
| 05:35.41 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to connect to a remote pulseaudio source that was reported by pabrowse? |
| 05:35.54 | EagleScreen | you only need b43-fwcutter if you are using b43 driver |
| 05:36.53 | EagleScreen | if you use wl driver you dont need b43-fwcutter |
| 05:36.57 | ZitZ | kingsley, i use pulseaudio device chooser to do all that |
| 05:37.35 | ZitZ | It looks like I need to use the wl driver. How do you install it? |
| 05:38.22 | EagleScreen | finding it in the Broadcom website was the most difficult thing for me lol |
| 05:38.30 | kingsley | ZitZ: That's interesting. I'd like to use padevchooser also. Here's the big but. But, when I run it, it fails to display anything, including a GUI window. |
| 05:39.40 | kingsley | ZitZ: When you run padevchooser, does it display a GUI window? |
| 05:39.55 | EagleScreen | you need all packages needed to compile kernel modules |
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| 05:40.48 | pickcoder | does anyone here have an ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe board running Debian? |
| 05:41.15 | pickcoder | if not then any board with the MCP55 HD audio? |
| 05:41.26 | ZitZ | kingsley, yeah its gui, i know it needs avahi, but i'm not sure if it automatically pulls it as a dependency |
| 05:42.21 | ZitZ | I need to install this wl driver and blacklist my b43 to get this to work apparently. Looks like its going to be a long night. |
| 05:42.52 | pickcoder | ZitZ: you can also use ndis if you don't need mastering support |
| 05:43.30 | EagleScreen | I think I still have a copy of the driver |
| 05:43.52 | ZitZ | i've never been a big fan of ndis, but yeah I definitely don't plan on using mastering |
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| 05:44.09 | kingsley | ZitZ: For what it's worth, avahi-daemon is running on the same computer which padevchooser hangs on. |
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| 05:45.55 | Assid | hi i need some help |
| 05:46.02 | Assid | i mounted /tmp with noexec |
| 05:46.09 | ZitZ | kingsley, I wrote this how-to at debian user forums, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497, the remote audio section is still a work in progress, one of the things I would recommend checking is that you can view computers on you're home network |
| 05:46.20 | Assid | and now when i try to do apt-updates or whatever, i end up with cant exec |
| 05:46.30 | Assid | is there a way to change where apt does it tmp ? |
| 05:46.34 | liable | Assid: so dont mount it noexec |
| 05:46.38 | ZitZ | Wow, thanks EagleScreen, this will definitely save me from finding the right driver. |
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| 05:46.56 | kingsley | ZitZ: I'll check it out. Which desktop do you use? gnome? kde? |
| 05:47.28 | Assid | liable: just more secure cause of apache etc |
| 05:47.50 | EagleScreen | ZitZ it has a README with steps to install it |
| 05:48.08 | EagleScreen | you need to install some thing to can compile a kernel module |
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| 05:48.45 | EagleScreen | sudo aptitude install module-assistant; sudo m-a prepare,update |
| 05:49.21 | ZitZ | Yeah thanks, its has a package for 64 bit too, I can definitely build it, and if it doesn't work I guess I'll live with ndiswrapper |
| 05:49.50 | ZitZ | Kingsley, I use gnome, configuring pulseaudio with kde would be a pain though I'm sure its possible |
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| 05:51.24 | EagleScreen | good luck tainting the kernel with wl, i go to sleep, godbye |
| 05:52.08 | kingsley | ZitZ: I've seen a screenshot of padevchooser running on what looked to me like gnome, and I find myself wondering if padevchooser doesn't work with my desktop, which is named "fvwm". |
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| 05:54.56 | ZitZ | kingsley, oh you're using that window manager, you probably don't have all the dependencies necessary to use that gui. It still seems strange they were not pulled automatically. I have no experience on that wm. |
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| 05:57.21 | kingsley | ZitZ: I share your suspicion, but I'll try following your how-to's advice to enable all the options for network discovery in paprefs first. |
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| 05:57.47 | melx | hello =) |
| 05:59.06 | melx | i am going to install debian for the first time evar!! |
| 05:59.08 | melx | yey |
| 05:59.25 | melx | but not sure which one i should get |
| 06:00.20 | Assid | apt-man this is annoying.. openvz is still broken in lenny |
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| 06:00.38 | Assid | cpu throttling isnt the way it should be |
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| 06:01.04 | basix | melx, do you have experience installing other distros of Linux? |
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| 06:01.20 | melx | ubuntu |
| 06:01.32 | melx | but not for a while |
| 06:02.11 | melx | i have some net installer thing I dowenloaded off my isp's mirror debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst |
| 06:02.42 | melx | it's asking me which kernal i want to install but I'm not sure which one is the right one |
| 06:04.00 | melx | 2.6/2.6.24 and 486/686 |
| 06:04.27 | melx | im installing it in virtual box first |
| 06:05.09 | kingsley | ZitZ: Enabling all the options for network discovery in paprefs didn't fix padevchooser, but running padevchooser with strace reveals that it's hanging at a call to poll(). |
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| 06:20.35 | badcrc | i've recently setup nfs and dns caching on my desktop system / file server. i can easily connect to the nfs server but i can't use dns. nmap from my laptop confirms that udp 53 is closed, but i don't recall setting up a firewall on that system. |
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| 06:26.53 | badcrc | is there something i'm missing? i can confirm that the djbdns caching server is running on the desktop it uses itself as a name server. |
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| 06:30.30 | phobos_anomaly | anyone in here know how to recompile the kernel-package? |
| 06:31.34 | twiadpaws | yeeeeh |
| 06:31.37 | twiadpaws | with make and stuff |
| 06:31.48 | badcrc | phobos_anomaly: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4468 |
| 06:31.54 | twiadpaws | tried once to build a module for a sata driver |
| 06:32.16 | phobos_anomaly | twiadpaws: I don't mean the actually kernel |
| 06:32.30 | phobos_anomaly | but rather the kernel-package that is needed to build the kernel |
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| 06:34.33 | phobos_anomaly | I've got an old version that doesn't seem to support building with the latest kernel. it gets to a point and then stops. I've traced the error as best as i can and it seems to be related to the kernel-package. So i'm trying to recompile that |
| 06:35.18 | mhymn | phobos_anomaly: what version you're using now? |
| 06:35.26 | badcrc | phobos_anomaly: i thought i understood what you want but now i'm confused |
| 06:35.41 | phobos_anomaly | mhynm: think its 2.11 |
| 06:35.46 | phobos_anomaly | the latest seems to be like 2.30 |
| 06:35.55 | mhymn | wtf |
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| 06:36.36 | phobos_anomaly | mhymn: my mistake, its 11.01 that I have and the latest is 11.05 |
| 06:36.37 | badcrc | phobos_anomaly: please perform a "uname -r" in a terminal window... |
| 06:37.14 | phobos_anomaly | badcrc: the kernel I have is 2.6.22 |
| 06:37.32 | badcrc | and you're trying to do what now? |
| 06:37.38 | phobos_anomaly | thats not the package that I'm having trouble with. in that guide you posted a link to, it says apt-get install kernel-package ncurses-dev bzip2 |
| 06:37.51 | phobos_anomaly | I'm trying to rebuild the kernel-package that is listed due to some errors |
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| 06:38.19 | phobos_anomaly | still lost? |
| 06:38.24 | badcrc | yep |
| 06:39.03 | badcrc | forget the previous link, what is it you're trying to do? |
| 06:39.33 | phobos_anomaly | just what I stated. trying to recompile the kernel-package so I don't get the errors when compiling the actual kernel |
| 06:42.41 | badcrc | ok, we're getting somewhere. you probably need to paste the error you get when you're trying to compile on something like pastebin.ca and post the link to it here in the channel. |
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| 06:45.49 | mike | hey can anyone help me install my wolfenstien enemy territory on lenny? |
| 06:46.37 | phobos_anomaly | Guest19453: that should be fairly easy. download the binary from ftp.idsoftware.com then chmod a+x then ./whateverbinaryitis |
| 06:47.10 | phobos_anomaly | badcrc: http://pastebin.ca/1317773 |
| 06:47.11 | badcrc | phobos_anomaly: unfortunately i'm not the guy to help in this instance. |
| 06:47.25 | badcrc | oops, |
| 06:47.48 | badcrc | ok i'll take a look, but i'm not a good programmer (ask the guys in ##c) |
| 06:47.49 | phobos_anomaly | badcrc: I'm lost on the last bit. I keep running into that error and I'm not real sure what to do. Just spent the last two hours on google |
| 06:48.31 | phobos_anomaly | badcrc: if you don't have any suggestions then I'll hit them up |
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| 06:50.54 | mikeifying | ok |
| 06:51.05 | mikeifying | so look when i run the wolfentstine installer it gives me an error |
| 06:51.17 | phobos_anomaly | mikeifying: whats the error? |
| 06:51.17 | badcrc | phobos_anomaly: they would tell you that you're not using C |
| 06:51.24 | mikeifying | im gonna pasbin it for you |
| 06:51.26 | mikeifying | lol |
| 06:51.34 | mikeifying | well nah you what hold on |
| 06:52.11 | mikeifying | /root/.setup5546: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ./setup.sh: line 143: 5570 Aborted "$setup" "$@" 2>> $NULL The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 See http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/ for troubleshooting |
| 06:52.18 | mikeifying | viola |
| 06:54.25 | phobos_anomaly | mikeifying: thats fairly easy, just do a sudo aptitude install libgtk-1.2 libgtk-1.2-common |
| 06:55.31 | phobos_anomaly | badcrc: I take it your pretty lost on that error too? |
| 06:55.35 | badcrc | phobos_anomaly: since it's complaining that the files don't exist, i would look to see if they are getting created. |
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| 06:56.14 | mikeifying | phobos_anomaly told me it couldnt find any packages with that name haha |
| 06:56.46 | phobos_anomaly | mikeifying: so do an aptitude search libgtk and look for anything with 1.2 in it |
| 06:56.50 | phobos_anomaly | then install it |
| 06:57.08 | mikeifying | help is much appreciated =D |
| 07:01.36 | badcrc | another alternative if you can't get help here, is to contact the maintainer. but it's 1am here and i've got to get to bed. good luck. |
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| 07:01.53 | phobos_anomaly | badcrc: thanx |
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| 07:22.56 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:22.56 | dpkg | somebody said qotd161 was * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
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| 07:29.18 | achilles | hello, I come everyday morning see my system completely frozen, no responding till I hardly shutdown, how can I know the reason behind this problem |
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| 07:40.16 | mhymn | '/var/log' 'dmesg' .. |
| 07:41.09 | liable | also netconsole might help if you have another box handy |
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| 07:44.42 | achilles | liable, mhymn thank you |
| 07:44.51 | achilles | but I tried |
| 07:44.55 | achilles | to check log |
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| 07:48.05 | alu | hi, is woody hosted anywhere anymore? i have an old box that i would like to pin to woody and just be able to install a few extra packages, is this possible? |
| 07:49.00 | liable | achilles: before you go to bed, change to vt1 and login as root, maybe you might see a message on screen. if you tail kernel log or syslog, you might catch the error |
| 07:49.04 | twiadpaws | why not take newer version due to vulnerabilities? |
| 07:49.09 | liable | !archive |
| 07:49.10 | dpkg | i heard archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 07:49.19 | liable | alu: ^^ |
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| 07:49.28 | alu | liable: thanks |
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| 07:53.30 | achilles | liable, I see stopping log service .. starting log service |
| 07:54.06 | achilles | very frequently |
| 07:54.15 | liable | achilles: that just sounds like a cronjob running |
| 07:54.21 | liable | how frequently? |
| 07:54.36 | achilles | around 20 times |
| 07:54.52 | liable | i mean at what time interval |
| 07:55.04 | achilles | within 5 hours |
| 07:55.41 | liable | that sounds a bit odd. can you paste that log somewhere? |
| 07:56.07 | achilles | I see this on vt1 |
| 07:56.28 | achilles | but I can past syslog , kernel log.. |
| 07:56.34 | liable | sure |
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| 07:56.56 | liable | daemon.log too |
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| 07:57.36 | achilles | liable, it seems the logrotate service is not functioning well, because syslog files aren't available |
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| 07:58.11 | liable | achilles: whats your disk space? |
| 07:58.14 | achilles | I mean, syslog.0 refers to very long time, around 20 days ago |
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| 07:59.23 | achilles | liable, http://rafb.net/p/00ozJT30.html |
| 08:00.19 | liable | hmm |
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| 08:02.28 | doodle208 | hi guys |
| 08:02.33 | liable | achilles: does syslog.log have entries? |
| 08:03.13 | doodle208 | looking to translate addresses to line numbers/filenames with addr2line |
| 08:03.29 | doodle208 | anyone familiar with that? |
| 08:03.56 | achilles | liable, for today yes, the last log 18 days ago |
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| 08:05.38 | liable | achilles: bit strange, i cant think of anything atm, why that would be the case |
| 08:06.00 | achilles | liable, I installed munin .. you can see http://217.66.234.131/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain.html |
| 08:06.52 | achilles | it shows that the entire system stopped |
| 08:09.20 | liable | doesnt give any clue to me |
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| 08:10.34 | achilles | liable, I was looking at memory status, the cache keep increasing till it suddenly crashes .. maybe memory over flow |
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| 08:13.11 | Sebboh | hi. What is this 3gb/1gb user/kernel split thing, and how can I get a 4gb/4gb split that I've heard some people talk about? More to the point, how can I get my process to be able to allocate more than 2gb of ram? |
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| 08:27.15 | oipunx | hello |
| 08:27.25 | oipunx | what package can i use to merge avis together? |
| 08:29.35 | liable | avidemux |
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| 08:33.55 | oipunx | i tried that but it wouldnt open the file |
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| 08:34.20 | liable | do you have w32codecs installed? |
| 08:34.20 | oipunx | i think these avi files were split in windows so they're like .avi.001 .avi.002 etc |
| 08:34.52 | liable | hmm, actually, maybe that doesnt matter anyway |
| 08:35.38 | liable | rename them without the .001 etc. woulda thought it would have tried to read the metadata anyway |
| 08:35.45 | oipunx | yeah i treid that also |
| 08:35.47 | liable | even with a weird extension |
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| 08:44.22 | amitz | I have a WD passbook, a USB based external harddrive. Debian can query it's info (manufacturing id, etc) but seems unable to recognize it as external storage. Can I "force" linux to treat it as external storage? How? What's the general idea? |
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| 08:52.56 | nsadmin | amitz: the only way to force that kind of thing is to write a driver... I would assume, as maybe you do, there's already a driver that should work; I'm not sure what that would be. ever have any other usb storage on that machine in that usb port? |
| 08:55.01 | groton | hello, i want to avoid the usage of the initrd file for my linux kernel, but i am unable to link in my kernel all the supports that are needed when booting from the root partition. I always get the message "Kernel panic, unknown block at (0,0)" while mounting the root partition. Now i am running a kernel with the initrd image, and i think i should just see what module has been loaded from the initrd during the boot, and link that module directly into |
| 08:55.01 | groton | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.06 | nsadmin | groton: you must have support in kernel for the device that / is accessable on, and the filesystem it's on. |
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| 08:56.38 | nsadmin | man lsmod |
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| 08:57.35 | groton | nsadmin, yes, i listed the loaded modules, but those are *all*, not just the ones loaded from initrd. Besides this, i need to associate "loaded module" to "kernel support feature". Both this steps are fundamental to me. |
| 08:57.40 | amitz | nsadmin: I had other drive working on that machine on all USB ports. I had someone mentioning that maybe this particular need greater power thus I should find a cable that split to 2 USB connector to draw power from 2 ports. |
| 08:58.04 | oipunx | any other pkg to join avi ? |
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| 08:58.20 | amitz | nsadmin: make sense since I had an external CD writer that requires that too. |
| 08:58.44 | koeppea | oipunx, tcmerge or so |
| 08:58.50 | koeppea | no tccat |
| 08:59.06 | koeppea | in the transcode package |
| 08:59.38 | oipunx | ok lemme try it |
| 08:59.41 | nsadmin | groton: you could mount the initrd image and poke around to see what modules are in there |
| 09:00.23 | nsadmin | amitz: that won't give you greater power, and could damage the usb chipset |
| 09:00.45 | groton | nsadmin, ok, but there is no way to log the loaded ones? Wrt to second point, i have the IDE_CS module loaded, how to embed that support into the kernel? It is not so clear what kernel feature provides that module. |
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| 09:01.26 | amitz | nsadmin: The manual on the external HD mention about such need too, so I'll try and risk that :-) |
| 09:01.30 | nsadmin | groton: what's cs? |
| 09:01.49 | amitz | nsadmin: well. specifically, about the possibility of such need too. |
| 09:01.58 | amitz | anyway, gtg, thx |
| 09:02.01 | groton | nsadmin, i do not know. In the sources i read: A driver for PCMCIA IDE/ATA disk cards |
| 09:02.32 | nsadmin | amitz: does that documentation say specifically that a cable that splits to two usbs is a way to get more power? |
| 09:03.04 | nsadmin | groton: oh, card services |
| 09:03.16 | groton | nsadmin, looking to the Makefile, the ide-cs is associated to the CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS symbol, so i have to define that as Y in the kernel config file |
| 09:03.26 | groton | nsadmin, yes |
| 09:03.52 | nsadmin | well maybe it'll work... but you might need the cs modules also |
| 09:04.09 | nsadmin | this is getting kinda complex, no? |
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| 09:04.50 | groton | Yes, it is kinda complex :) The symbol CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECS=m is compiling it as a module, so i need to make it Y instead to link statically into the kernel. |
| 09:05.08 | nsadmin | that would do that... |
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| 09:05.42 | evilgenius | hello. |
| 09:05.46 | evilgenius | This might sound stupid but is it possible to setup dyndns on a debian server or anysuch thing so i can like use my own server to do the job? |
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| 09:07.45 | nsadmin | evilgenius: what you would need is... |
| 09:07.49 | nsadmin | a static IP |
| 09:08.17 | evilgenius | unfortunatly i don't have a static one at home |
| 09:08.26 | nsadmin | at least as fast a connection for the dns server as the things it runs on |
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| 09:08.55 | nsadmin | dns servers must be on fixed IPs |
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| 09:09.25 | nsadmin | you can think about why that is :) |
| 09:09.43 | evilgenius | what i mean to say is.. www.dyndns.org can i setup what they're doing on my own debian server(100mbit) so i can get the website on local pc to linkup |
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| 09:10.40 | nsadmin | you mean to serve the names? |
| 09:10.58 | evilgenius | yea i guess... |
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| 09:11.34 | nsadmin | that's what I'm saying... name servers need static IPs |
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| 09:16.41 | Sazpaimon | ive got a bunch of processes stuck in disk sleep |
| 09:16.46 | Sazpaimon | and swapoff -a is not working |
| 09:16.49 | Sazpaimon | what can I do? |
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| 09:42.15 | cryptnix | on gig-e and only getting 3 to 5 mbits out of ya |
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| 10:07.22 | FinnTux | does 64bit sun-java6-jre contain iceweasel plugin in lenny? |
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| 10:34.30 | uid0 | hey guise, when i open firefox the window decorations dissapeer. but only on firefox. anyone got any ideas as to why? |
| 10:34.40 | uid0 | im on ubuntu 8.10 with gnome btw |
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| 10:36.05 | mchelen | this is a debian channel |
| 10:36.18 | mchelen | ask in #ubuntu :) |
| 10:37.17 | uid0 | lol well tbh it has nothing to with the fact im on ubuntu |
| 10:37.42 | liable | we dont care |
| 10:37.47 | uid0 | lmao |
| 10:38.11 | uid0 | great help channel here |
| 10:38.13 | uid0 | fag |
| 10:38.21 | liable | it has nothing to do with debian. |
| 10:38.50 | liable | dont be silly. just ask in the appropriate channel |
| 10:39.06 | H2S04 | he should be kicked he's just being a troll now :P |
| 10:39.08 | achilles | hello, I can't connect ssh to a host, but the host can access me, is there a way to use this to gain access ? |
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| 10:39.14 | H2S04 | I already /ignored him. |
| 10:39.25 | H2S04 | achilles, not enough information. |
| 10:39.38 | uid0 | rofl, you guys arnt guna help shit. gb2 school |
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| 10:40.07 | achilles | H2S04, I need to access a host behind a dsl router, but the guys there aren't able to port forward, is there a way to overcome this problem ? |
| 10:40.10 | liable | the irony .. |
| 10:40.40 | liable | achilles: nope. you need to be able to access the port |
| 10:40.43 | H2S04 | achilles, Well you could cheat and use something like UltraVNC. |
| 10:41.06 | H2S04 | achilles, If I remember correctly you can connect to UltraVNC without having any ports forwarded. |
| 10:41.14 | H2S04 | achilles, but that's not SSH :X |
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| 10:41.30 | H2S04 | achilles, if you can't forward ports that's the only thing I know of that will help. |
| 10:41.31 | achilles | H2S04, the same problem then, they won't able to open vnc port |
| 10:41.37 | H2S04 | achilles, it doesn't matter. |
| 10:41.51 | H2S04 | achilles, UltraVNC _will_ work behind a router without forwarding. |
| 10:42.00 | H2S04 | achilles, I put it on client machines all the time. |
| 10:42.27 | H2S04 | achilles, google it go to their site and read ;) |
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| 10:43.15 | H2S04 | http://www.uvnc.com/ |
| 10:45.40 | achilles | H2S04, how can I access the client |
| 10:46.56 | H2S04 | achilles, now that may take a little fiddling to set up, because usually I have people click a link I send them. |
| 10:46.58 | AliTarihi | Hi I get a "E: Package openjdk-6-jre has no installation candidate" error any repo I should add? |
| 10:47.15 | H2S04 | achilles, but I don't see why you couldn't set up a script to do that when you aren't home. |
| 10:47.17 | H2S04 | :P |
| 10:48.19 | achilles | all what I want is to access a server behind a DSL router in a remotes site in another country, but the guys there aren't able to set up the port forwarding |
| 10:48.20 | H2S04 | achilles, do people have direct access to the computer you need to use? |
| 10:48.28 | achilles | yes they do |
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| 10:49.13 | H2S04 | achilles, well unless you put your box on a DMZ, port forward, or get them to start an UltraVNC session, there's not much of a solution. |
| 10:49.37 | achilles | ah |
| 10:49.45 | H2S04 | They can start UltraVNC for you though. |
| 10:49.52 | H2S04 | and you can connect then, but the machine will need X. |
| 10:49.59 | H2S04 | which is a PITA if it's just a server. |
| 10:50.18 | achilles | oh .. they are using windows |
| 10:50.22 | achilles | and connects via putty |
| 10:50.49 | H2S04 | well what you could do then is use ultra VNC on one of their computers |
| 10:50.58 | H2S04 | then use putty to do your work on the server from the windows machine. |
| 10:51.05 | H2S04 | Kind of an ass backwards way to do it. |
| 10:51.14 | H2S04 | but the only way I can think of without port forwarding. |
| 10:51.35 | H2S04 | achilles, read through UltraVNC, it describes how to give someone a link so you can connect to their computer. |
| 10:52.06 | H2S04 | if they have java setup they don't even need to install anything :) |
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| 10:54.51 | H2S04 | achilles, http://www.uvnc.com/addons/singleclick.html |
| 10:55.06 | H2S04 | That is what I was referring to if you were not able to find it. |
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| 10:55.36 | H2S04 | It occurred to me that you might be looking at the docs, and they do say you need port forwarding, but with single click you don't. |
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| 10:56.39 | AliTarihi | Hi, strange. I can not install java on my x86_64 lenny. The sourcelist seems to be fine. http://pastebin.com/m7d6f17b7 any idae? |
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| 11:02.09 | AliTarihi | any idea? |
| 11:02.47 | flokuehn | f/quit |
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| 11:15.34 | Kohlrabi | I have a problem with my network: My lenny machine won't get its hostname from my DHCP/router, so that it is only identifyable by IP. |
| 11:15.38 | Kohlrabi | How could that happen? |
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| 11:19.44 | koeppea_ | Kohlrabi, ?? why should your DHCP server set your hostname |
| 11:20.01 | koeppea_ | normally it's just a local setting |
| 11:20.05 | Kohlrabi | Well, or the machine should negotiate to get the host name |
| 11:20.18 | Kohlrabi | at least the hostname is unknown on my network |
| 11:20.35 | Kohlrabi | maybe I found a solution by disabling IP6-realted stuff in /etc/hosts |
| 11:20.53 | Kohlrabi | maybe that's just chance |
| 11:21.11 | Kohlrabi | seems to work reprodrucable, for now |
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| 11:21.34 | koeppea_ | Or do you mean your DHCP server is updating your DNS service |
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| 11:22.37 | Kohlrabi | hmm, I have a router which acts as DNS for the LAN |
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| 11:22.59 | koeppea_ | linux based router or a black-box? |
| 11:23.05 | Kohlrabi | black-box-ish |
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| 11:27.27 | wp | hi |
| 11:27.46 | wp | does someone know how i can change the ethertype on a dot1q interface to something else then 0x8100? |
| 11:27.48 | ciphergoth | I've copied my entire filesystem from an old HDD to a new one, and now I'd like to make the new one boot using grub. I've booted from a live CD and mounted the new disk, what do I need to do next? |
| 11:28.00 | ciphergoth | The new disk uses LVM |
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| 11:37.12 | AliTarihi | Hi, strange. I can not install java on my x86_64 lenny. The sourcelist seems to be fine. http://pastebin.com/m7d6f17b7 any ideØ´? |
| 11:37.19 | AliTarihi | Hi, strange. I can not install java on my x86_64 lenny. The sourcelist seems to be fine. http://pastebin.com/m7d6f17b7 any idea? |
| 11:37.49 | pif | hi, can I extract a file from an iso image without mounting it? |
| 11:38.08 | ciphergoth | pif: in Gnome you can |
| 11:38.16 | ciphergoth | just double-click on it |
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| 11:38.31 | pif | I'm not in gnome, just plain openbox |
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| 11:38.44 | ciphergoth | sorry, don't know then - must exist, but... |
| 11:38.49 | pif | np,thx |
| 11:39.28 | ciphergoth | Am I right in thinking that if I can just get grub into my boot sector, then I can fix any problems with eg menus in the boot shell? |
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| 11:40.24 | liable | yes |
| 11:40.39 | AliTarihi | anyone can share /etc/apt/sources.list ? I think my repos have a major problem |
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| 11:41.14 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 11:41.22 | ciphergoth | liable: OK, I've booted from a live CD I had lying around, and I have a Debian system copied with cp -a on the hard drive |
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| 11:41.32 | AliTarihi | jelly-home: thx |
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| 11:41.37 | ciphergoth | any idea how I get grub into the boot sector from there? |
| 11:41.40 | mrynit | what no 5.0 :S |
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| 11:42.28 | liable | ciphergoth: grub; root (hdx,x); setup (hdx); exit |
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| 11:43.16 | mrynit | so i would like to get debian installed on a 667mhz p3 with 538 MB ram, 80gb hdd |
| 11:43.39 | mrynit | it has a 4Mb S3 savage 4GT AGP 2x video card |
| 11:44.11 | freeRag | install WINDOWS 7 |
| 11:44.16 | freeRag | :P |
| 11:44.42 | freeRag | it has major preformance gains compared to vista |
| 11:44.42 | ciphergoth | liable: THANKS! "grub" starts the grub shell - so if I could find a guide to grub shell commands I could find out what those lines do |
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| 11:45.19 | jelly-home | mrynit: is there a question you want to ask? |
| 11:46.11 | ia | hello. i have a question about reprepro (it's a tool for creating deb repo) - does exist some way to turn off asking passphrase(but not signing packages for repo) each time, when package are putting in repo? |
| 11:46.47 | freeRag | is this the real upstream ubuntu channel ? |
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| 11:46.54 | AliTarihi | jelly-home: I used that, but still I get this for jre -> E: Package sun-java6-jre has no installation candidate |
| 11:47.25 | mrynit | wel...how could i install/configure debain so it would be not so slow. the computer ran win98 smoothly but all the modern OS's run slow |
| 11:47.29 | xand | how do I "enable" UUID=blah style entries in fstab? I've put one in and it says it doesn't exist |
| 11:47.29 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: oh. /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 11:48.49 | xand | assuming it's possible in etch |
| 11:48.55 | ia | xand: for example, root=UUID=<UUID of root partition> |
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| 11:49.03 | jelly-home | xand: what app says that? What does your fstab look like? Does "blkid" recognize and show a filesystem with that uuid? |
| 11:49.07 | xand | I know how |
| 11:49.18 | xand | well i know what to put in fstab |
| 11:49.29 | ia | xand: uuid you can find out by ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 11:49.42 | xand | ia: that's where I got it from. |
| 11:50.00 | xand | hmm, blkid doesn't match the one in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 11:51.35 | xand | ok... the UUID from blkid works, the one from /dev/disk/by-uuid/ does not. |
| 11:51.39 | xand | thanks |
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| 11:51.54 | xand | only one of 9 harddisks has anything in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 11:52.00 | xand | but that doesn't matter |
| 11:52.05 | koeppea__ | mrynit, did you check with hdparm if dma is activated? |
| 11:52.14 | AliTarihi | jelly-home: still the same |
| 11:52.19 | koeppea__ | Which DM do you use? |
| 11:52.20 | jelly-home | xand: harddisks shouldn't appear there; filesystems should. |
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| 11:52.30 | AliTarihi | I have all thost non-free |
| 11:52.38 | xand | jelly-home: filesystems then... though it is called "disk" :P |
| 11:52.47 | xand | but still only the usb one is there :) |
| 11:52.54 | mrynit | koeppea, DMA for the harddrive? DM was xfce |
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| 11:53.06 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: you have to run an "aptitude update" after changing the sources.list file. |
| 11:53.08 | mrynit | i dont like using MW |
| 11:53.08 | koeppea__ | mrynit, yes |
| 11:53.23 | viller | where can I change my DNS addresses |
| 11:53.26 | mrynit | i dont know how to check that and the computer is back in my closet |
| 11:53.36 | AliTarihi | jelly-home: already done |
| 11:53.51 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:54.18 | freeRag | whats the best way to run games and have the best performance ? |
| 11:54.40 | jelly-home | freeRag: which games? |
| 11:54.50 | freeRag | 3d games |
| 11:54.54 | mrynit | freeRag, have drivers for video card |
| 11:55.04 | jelly-home | freeRag: which 3d games? |
| 11:55.18 | freeRag | 3d games in wine also ? |
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| 11:55.37 | freeRag | 3d games in general |
| 11:55.39 | viller | where can I change my DNS addresses |
| 11:56.10 | koeppea__ | mrynit, install hdparm and execute hdparm /dev/hdX | grep dma |
| 11:56.37 | AliTarihi | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/109322/ |
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| 11:59.48 | freeRag | i mean login to a especial gaming account with maybe a lightweight WM with only the "must have" daemons ? |
| 11:59.50 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: That looks reasonable. There's no java6 in debian stable, use something like sun-java5-jre |
| 12:00.59 | AliTarihi | jelly-home: I c.. it worked. Thx. I'm new on Lenny. Been an Ubuntu user mainly :) |
| 12:01.34 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: Hm, if you've installed lenny, your sources list is wrong. |
| 12:02.15 | viller | in what file are my DNS addresses? |
| 12:02.18 | jelly-home | AliTarihi: replaces all occurences of "stable" with "lenny" in sources.list if that's the case |
| 12:02.52 | freeRag | can any one answer ? |
| 12:03.58 | freeRag | isn't there a Linux game tweaking guide ? |
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| 12:05.09 | mrynit | freeRag, not in here? |
| 12:05.42 | freeRag | must be top secret stuff you aren't allowed to discuss ?!!!! |
| 12:06.45 | jelly-home | freeRag: perhaps no one awake has a worthwhile suggestion to offer |
| 12:06.45 | rhodescus | viller: do you mean the hostname or the name to ip mapping? |
| 12:07.49 | viller | I don't even know. My father's Windows computer needs a DNS address and as my computer's internet works I though I could find it here |
| 12:08.13 | mrynit | i swear i see the worst kids in linux channels |
| 12:08.26 | rhodescus | viller: this channel is for debian support :) not windows |
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| 12:08.59 | viller | I don't want windows support. I just remember that I once had to enter those addresses on my debian box |
| 12:09.20 | d-b | hi i have a problem... |
| 12:09.48 | mrynit | viller, open network connections, properties, advanced on tcp/ip |
| 12:09.48 | rhodescus | viller: you're probably talking about IP addresses. That is set differently in windows. |
| 12:10.06 | freeRag | is this a windows channel ? |
| 12:10.15 | d-b | very embarring -> i have locked my self out of my other disk (from booting) as i renamed it (added a 1 to the end) i cannot boot due to the use of luks -> i have the disk mounted at the present -> does anyone know what i should edit / do ? |
| 12:10.17 | jelly-home | viller: if you're asking where are the addresses of your DNS servers stored, that'd be /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:10.33 | d-b | the lvm group foo is know as foo1 and it is looking for foo only... |
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| 12:10.48 | viller | thanks jelly-home that's what I wanted to know |
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| 12:11.37 | freeRag | use opendns |
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| 12:12.02 | d-b | can some one help me out here ^^? |
| 12:12.12 | d-b | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.26 | rhodescus | d-b: I don't know the specific answe, but there should be an LVM faq |
| 12:12.29 | ia | could you tell me, please, with all options i should run gpg-agent to disable asking passphrase for some key, when it will be asking? |
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| 12:12.42 | viller | I only have nameserver in resolv.conf :S |
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| 12:13.20 | rhodescus | d-b: tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO |
| 12:13.21 | jelly-home | viller: no ip address after that word? |
| 12:13.38 | viller | there is one but it didn't help |
| 12:13.41 | rhodescus | d-b: search google for 'boot LVM' that may be more useful. |
| 12:13.46 | d-b | ok. |
| 12:13.52 | jelly-home | viller: that's your DNS server. |
| 12:13.58 | valdyn | ia: you need to edit the key |
| 12:14.19 | d-b | rhodescus: i was searching for something more related to luks |
| 12:14.47 | freeRag | how can i tell dns to forward all requests to one page ? |
| 12:14.49 | ia | valdyn: and? |
| 12:15.03 | rhodescus | d-b: www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
| 12:15.04 | viller | thanks for your help jelly-home. I hope I can make it work |
| 12:15.16 | rhodescus | d-b: search google for 'boot LVM luks' |
| 12:15.32 | jelly-home | viller: try ##windows for your windows issues |
| 12:15.38 | freeRag | how can i tell dns to forward all requests to one and the same page ? |
| 12:16.05 | rhodescus | d-b: if the boot partition is encrypted, you'll probably have to change all the configs back to what they were before, and pray. |
| 12:16.07 | my007ms | what is small GUI editor that support Aspell |
| 12:16.34 | my007ms | or can i add it gedit |
| 12:16.36 | mrynit | I am still single and man woman is not helping |
| 12:16.59 | freeRag | how can i tell dns to forward all requests to one and the same page ? |
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| 12:17.24 | jelly-home | !repeat |
| 12:17.24 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:17.49 | mrynit | !google |
| 12:17.49 | dpkg | [google] a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 12:17.55 | mrynit | darn |
| 12:18.19 | martian67 | !googleit |
| 12:18.20 | dpkg | googleit is probably #debian is not your search engine. |
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| 12:18.29 | martian67 | :D |
| 12:18.33 | mrynit | :S |
| 12:19.00 | freeRag | how can i tell dns to forward all requests to one and the same page ? |
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| 12:19.12 | valdyn | ia: gpg --help | grep edit or man gpg |
| 12:19.29 | freeRag | I DOSENT ANY ONE ANSER MY QUESTION IS THIS DISCRIMINATION ?! |
| 12:19.41 | valdyn | freeRag: maybe no one knows the answer |
| 12:19.48 | rhodescus | freeRag: because your question makes no sense, fundamentally. |
| 12:19.57 | mrynit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.58 | freeRag | if they dont what are they doing in here ? |
| 12:20.09 | valdyn | freeRag: which might mean that its hard or that no one else ever thought of doing something that silly |
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| 12:20.11 | d-b | rhodescus: a boot partition cannot be encrypted, you need a kernel ... somewhere /loader.. |
| 12:20.16 | freeRag | being unhelpfull ? |
| 12:20.19 | mrynit | common just do it |
| 12:20.56 | rhodescus | d-b: OK, then you should be able to walk through creating the boot init. I'm not familiar with LUKS. I do know that some bootloaders unencrypt the boot partition though. |
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| 12:21.18 | rhodescus | freeRag: not being unhelpful, DNS really has nothing to do with 'pages' |
| 12:21.59 | rhodescus | freeRag: If I understand your question right, you want all requests to multiple hosts to go to one page on a webserver, which is a webserver question, really. |
| 12:22.08 | freeRag | aren't pages with in a domain ? |
| 12:22.51 | rhodescus | freeRag: do you want a request for domain1.com/index.html and domain2.com/index.html to go to the same page? |
| 12:22.53 | ia | valdyn: well, if i've found answer in man, i would not start asking about it :-) |
| 12:23.02 | mrynit | freeRag, ¯\(º_o)/¯ |
| 12:23.06 | d-b | i think i have it atm. but its no happy with my crypttab line |
| 12:23.38 | valdyn | ia: you make me doubt your reading abilities |
| 12:23.51 | freeRag | i wnat ever page request to go to the same page for authentication before redirecting to the real web page online |
| 12:23.57 | valdyn | ia: i told you to edit the key, thats, as i just looked in the manpage: gpg --edit-key <name> |
| 12:24.15 | d-b | sorry was just a bit paniced before to google. |
| 12:24.18 | valdyn | ia: there you enter "help", and see "passwd" |
| 12:24.21 | rhodescus | freeRag: oh, so are you talking about a wireless gateway kind of thing? |
| 12:24.30 | freeRag | YES |
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| 12:24.49 | freeRag | dosent need to be wireless |
| 12:25.05 | rhodescus | freeRag: Huh, you should have said so. I do know Debian has several proxies that do the gateway thing, and they don't have to be wireless. |
| 12:25.31 | freeRag | gatway thing ? |
| 12:25.40 | rhodescus | freeRag: authentication gateway. |
| 12:25.49 | freeRag | isnt this stuff done using BIND ? |
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| 12:26.08 | freeRag | but i would like to make my own |
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| 12:26.14 | rhodescus | freeRag: no, it isn't |
| 12:26.25 | rhodescus | freeRag: bind is a nameserver, not a gateway. |
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| 12:26.43 | freeRag | whats a name server ? |
| 12:26.48 | freeRag | isnt that DNS ? |
| 12:27.49 | rhodescus | freeRag: nuauth is one |
| 12:27.50 | freeRag | bind ip *.*.*.* to 192.168.0.1#ip of the web server |
| 12:28.44 | rhodescus | freeRag: uh, scratch that one, it doesn't use an authentication page |
| 12:28.52 | jelly-home | freeRag: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 12:29.20 | freeRag | to redirect any ip/dns request to my webserver |
| 12:29.39 | freeRag | to redirect any ip/dns request from my lan to my webserver |
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| 12:29.57 | jelly-home | freeRag: why? |
| 12:30.04 | d-b | no -> no luck i wasn't even asked which disk to use ... / key to unlock that time.. |
| 12:30.08 | ia | valdyn: "passwd - Change the passphrase of the secret key." - it's in "key options". and how it can help disable asking passphrase for key? |
| 12:30.12 | freeRag | WHY NOT ? |
| 12:30.22 | rhodescus | freeRag: what you actually want to do is redirect any HTTP requests to a local webserver for a login, then allow subsequent HTTP requests through. |
| 12:30.39 | rhodescus | freeRag: like at starbucks or a hotel, right? |
| 12:30.59 | freeRag | then allow subsequent HTTP requests through. thats step 2 |
| 12:31.18 | freeRag | im over a step 1 NOW |
| 12:31.21 | jelly-home | freeRag: because it makes little sense, and I think you really want something else, but think your current question is the way to do it. |
| 12:31.57 | jelly-home | !xyproblem |
| 12:31.57 | dpkg | methinks xyproblem is people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
| 12:32.59 | valdyn | ia: empty passphrase should be no passphrase |
| 12:33.19 | d-b | what ? |
| 12:33.42 | d-b | um do you want to use a usb / other form / combination instead of entering it ? |
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| 12:34.08 | jelly-home | freeRag: in other words, your step 1 doesn't have to be done at all, if you, for example, make your users use a http proxy to access web pages. |
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| 12:34.58 | jelly-home | freeRag: or one can use a transparent proxy solution, and then there's no need to fake DNS replies either |
| 12:35.03 | freeRag | WHY IS THAT BETTER ? |
| 12:35.09 | ia | valdyn: well, i haven't asked about how to completely remove passphrase from key; i've asked about how to disable asking passphrase. ssh can do this, but i can't find out the same features in man gpg-agent. |
| 12:35.11 | freeRag | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.58 | jelly-home | freeRag: in order of implementation complexity, using a http proxy with auth is probably the easiest to do |
| 12:36.02 | rhodescus | freeRag: www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Authentication-Gateway-HOWTO.html |
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| 12:36.35 | freeRag | but i want to show MY WEBPAGE |
| 12:36.58 | freeRag | i dont want any gateway |
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| 12:37.47 | d-b | ia: yeah seahorse can -> for time periods |
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| 12:40.34 | freeRag | are you going to tell me how its done or not ? |
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| 12:41.52 | rhodescus | freeRag: I already did |
| 12:42.04 | rhodescus | freeRag: read the FAQ |
| 12:42.04 | freeRag | i dont want any gateway |
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| 12:42.25 | freeRag | why cant i code it my self ? |
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| 12:42.40 | rhodescus | freeRag: because you don't know how or you wouldn't be asking in here? |
| 12:42.43 | coolpro | hello |
| 12:42.47 | coolpro | how to create a new user? |
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| 12:43.21 | rhodescus | freeRag: if you do that FAQ, you will know how at the end. |
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| 12:43.25 | liable | coolpro: man adduser |
| 12:43.53 | coolpro | just type: "man adduser username"? |
| 12:44.00 | freeRag | im gona take all my day to read that |
| 12:44.11 | rhodescus | freeRag: yeppers |
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| 12:44.23 | freeRag | im not gona read it |
| 12:44.25 | rhodescus | freeRag: learning takes time |
| 12:44.27 | liable | coolpro: no, 'man adduser' will show you how to use adduser |
| 12:44.30 | ciphergoth | If my root partition is an LVM partition, the lvm tools need to be in my initrd, is that right? |
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| 12:44.58 | freeRag | i bet its done using BIND |
| 12:45.09 | valdyn | ciphergoth: yes, but debian does that automatically |
| 12:45.15 | coolpro | how to set home directory for user in scp? |
| 12:45.22 | rhodescus | freeRag: Nopey dopey |
| 12:45.39 | valdyn | ciphergoth: you dont need to worry about it, just dont put /boot onto lvm |
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| 12:45.52 | ciphergoth | valdyn: sadly I do, because I created my root partition with cp -a |
| 12:45.53 | freeRag | YES |
| 12:46.12 | valdyn | ciphergoth: regenerate the initrd |
| 12:46.28 | ciphergoth | with update-initramfs -u ? |
| 12:46.43 | ciphergoth | I did that, but looking at the resulting initrd I still can't see any lv tools |
| 12:46.47 | valdyn | ciphergoth: i dont know, i just dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 12:47.07 | ciphergoth | oh, except vgchange is there |
| 12:47.15 | ciphergoth | maybe that's all that's needed to mount the root? |
| 12:47.28 | valdyn | ciphergoth: yes |
| 12:47.38 | ciphergoth | ah, cool |
| 12:47.57 | ciphergoth | I'm chrooted in from a live CD at the moment |
| 12:48.07 | freeRag | 2.5. DNS Server |
| 12:48.08 | freeRag | The gateway box also serves as a DNS server for the public network. I installed Bind, and set it up as a caching nameserver. The rpm package caching-namserver was also used. This package came with Red Hat. |
| 12:48.40 | rhodescus | freeRag: dang, you're using headrat, and buggin the Debian channel? |
| 12:48.54 | freeRag | ? |
| 12:49.16 | valdyn | or he's installing rehat package(s) on debian |
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| 12:49.22 | freeRag | thats the page you told me to read you MORON |
| 12:49.24 | coolpro | i want to create a user "eimis" to be able to see only /var/www/eimis.upsy.lt directory and subdirectories when connecting by scp |
| 12:49.43 | ciphergoth | I can get grub to boot it (with fiddling), but then I can't see the lvm device. I'm guessing I want to boot, then run some sort of vgchange-related command, mount the root filesystem, and then somehow fix things; not exactly sure how to proceed! |
| 12:49.49 | valdyn | freeRag: you will get banned if you chose to insult people |
| 12:49.58 | freeRag | i guess you havent read it |
| 12:50.08 | coolpro | me? |
| 12:50.11 | rhodescus | freeRag: ah, so you decided to read it? I just skimmed it. It does what you want. |
| 12:50.11 | ciphergoth | Is there something I can do from here in the chroot that will just Make Everything Work? |
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| 12:50.33 | ciphergoth | is confused why anyone is still speaking to freeRag at all. Mean people don't get help. |
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| 12:50.58 | valdyn | ciphergoth: i dont know what you did, but its simpler than you think, theres not much to do at all |
| 12:51.19 | valdyn | ciphergoth: menu.lst adjusted? |
| 12:51.22 | ciphergoth | valdyn: I bought a new disk, created a boot partition and an LVM root partition, copied all my files across. |
| 12:51.31 | ciphergoth | valdyn: no, but I can work around that in the grub shell |
| 12:51.41 | ciphergoth | it's getting my root to mount that's causing me trouble just now. |
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| 12:52.02 | freeRag | ciphergoth: IS THE MEAN ONE |
| 12:52.09 | valdyn | ciphergoth: linux root=/dev/mapper/vg-lvol0 |
| 12:52.13 | valdyn | ciphergoth: that is done? |
| 12:52.14 | jelly-home | freeRag: please behave. |
| 12:52.27 | coolpro | anyone knows? |
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| 12:52.58 | ciphergoth | valdyn: no - where would I do that? |
| 12:53.08 | valdyn | ciphergoth: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:53.27 | ciphergoth | valdyn: also, my VG ls called "lvm" and my root is called "root" |
| 12:53.32 | ciphergoth | I don't want root=/dev/lvm/root ? |
| 12:53.44 | valdyn | ciphergoth: both might work |
| 12:54.12 | rhodescus | coolpro: you could put the user in a group with access to that directory. |
| 12:54.13 | valdyn | ciphergoth: whats your /boot on? |
| 12:54.24 | ciphergoth | /dev/sda1 |
| 12:54.27 | ciphergoth | ext3 |
| 12:54.45 | ciphergoth | and /dev/sda2 is the LVM PV |
| 12:55.01 | freeRag | that how too is from2002-11-05 |
| 12:55.03 | valdyn | ciphergoth: so: root (hd0,0) in grub's menu.lst |
| 12:55.15 | valdyn | ciphergoth: and kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/mapper/lvm-root |
| 12:55.16 | freeRag | thats out dated |
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| 12:56.08 | rhodescus | freeRag: it is netfilter based, so I assume it was updated since then. |
| 12:56.18 | ciphergoth | valdyn: yes |
| 12:56.27 | freeRag | 2002-11-05 |
| 12:56.29 | jelly-home | freeRag: your goal isn't a trivial one, you can't really expect to find a ready-made solution |
| 12:56.31 | valdyn | ciphergoth: and initrd /initrd.img |
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| 12:56.38 | ciphergoth | valdyn: yep |
| 12:56.47 | valdyn | ciphergoth: and you are using a debian kernel? |
| 12:56.53 | ciphergoth | so do I need to somehow tell grub I've changed things? or will it all just work? |
| 12:56.56 | ciphergoth | valdyn: yes |
| 12:57.11 | ciphergoth | from the sound of it I should reboot now and see if it works |
| 12:57.13 | valdyn | ciphergoth: grub reads the menu.lst at runtime |
| 12:57.15 | freeRag | its just a command line like BIND *.*.*.* TO 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:57.26 | valdyn | ciphergoth: so you dont need to tell it anything after changing menu.lst |
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| 12:57.31 | ciphergoth | valdyn: I had to use lilo before |
| 12:57.46 | valdyn | ciphergoth: lilo works different, no runtime configuration |
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| 12:58.08 | ciphergoth | valdyn: I've been using Debian since 0.93r6 when there was no grub! |
| 12:58.08 | rhodescus | freeRag: oh gee, netfilter came out in 1999. I guess that's outdated too. |
| 12:58.19 | rhodescus | freeRag: the command for BIND is 'named' |
| 12:58.27 | valdyn | ciphergoth: all this seems to be ok, so i need the specific error i think, and when exactly its showing |
| 12:58.52 | ciphergoth | valdyn: am giving new fixed menu.lst a go right now |
| 12:58.55 | rhodescus | freeRag: but you have to use netfilter to initially redirect the request to your 'page'. |
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| 12:59.20 | freeRag | ? |
| 12:59.21 | rhodescus | freeRag: then, you have to perform some kind of username/password authentication, and inform netfilter not to redirect anymore. |
| 12:59.22 | ciphergoth | OMG it's found it |
| 12:59.38 | ciphergoth | and it's fscking it, so the final results aren't in yet |
| 12:59.41 | valdyn | ciphergoth: are you doing these adjustments directly or at the specific entry for the kernel? |
| 12:59.45 | rhodescus | freeRag: as is explicitly outlined in that faq. BIND has squat to do with it. |
| 13:00.03 | ciphergoth | valdyn: not sure I understand the question. I made the changes you said to every entry in menu.lst |
| 13:00.12 | valdyn | ciphergoth: ok, silly you |
| 13:00.21 | ciphergoth | heh :-) why's that? |
| 13:00.25 | valdyn | ciphergoth: # kopt=root=/dev/mapper/system-root ro console=tty0 <- find that line |
| 13:00.46 | ciphergoth | my menu.lst has a root= entry for every kernel |
| 13:00.50 | ciphergoth | so I changed them all |
| 13:00.54 | valdyn | ciphergoth: adjust it, run update-grub, that update-grub will do the editing for you |
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| 13:01.04 | ciphergoth | to root=/dev/mapper/lvm-root |
| 13:01.04 | valdyn | ciphergoth: thats ok for now, but update-grub is run on each kernel install |
| 13:01.14 | ciphergoth | ah, so it will break again |
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| 13:01.18 | ciphergoth | what should I be editing? |
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| 13:01.22 | valdyn | ciphergoth: yes, exactly |
| 13:01.29 | valdyn | ciphergoth: the kopt line |
| 13:01.32 | valdyn | ciphergoth: the # kopt line |
| 13:01.45 | ciphergoth | oh BAH! People shouldn't mix up config and non-config files |
| 13:01.54 | ciphergoth | Files should be either generated or human-editable. |
| 13:01.59 | valdyn | ciphergoth: yea, metaconfig in the config file |
| 13:02.19 | ciphergoth | grrrrrr. What if it was in source control? Boo, I say, boo. |
| 13:02.24 | ciphergoth | still, it will hopefully get me booting |
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| 13:04.02 | rhodescus | freeRag: OK, the Debian package that does what you want is chillispot. You may or may not be able to adapt that. |
| 13:05.13 | Archdevil | I am trying to use lxde under lenny. I have worked with lxde with archlinux and with arch the locales-setting changes the language of the lxde menu. Running debian this is not the case (gdm=dutch, lxde menu language= english). How do I get dutch menus with lxde? |
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| 13:06.51 | jelly-home | ciphergoth: the autogenerated part is marked as such; I find more funny there are syntactically relevant "comments" |
| 13:07.12 | ciphergoth | marking is silly - separate files are the Right Thing |
| 13:07.23 | jelly-home | nods |
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| 13:07.47 | ciphergoth | not that I am somehow blaming you or valdyn for this silly situation you understand! |
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| 13:08.21 | ciphergoth | is watching his new 1TB drive fsck. |
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| 13:08.39 | jelly-home | ciphergoth: is it a seagate! :-) |
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| 13:09.06 | ciphergoth | jelly-home: heh, no! Though it very, very nearly was. It's a Samsung. |
| 13:09.26 | ciphergoth | I was lucky enough to read the Amazon review, and that set me Googling. |
| 13:09.33 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: you got the better drive. you'd be more than fscking if you bought a seagate. |
| 13:09.45 | ciphergoth | I'd be fscking pissed off! |
| 13:09.50 | rhodescus | :) |
| 13:10.21 | ciphergoth | It's a real shame - until this, I'd never buy anything but a Seagate |
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| 13:10.39 | jelly-home | they'll get over it |
| 13:10.46 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: there's been a real shakeup the last couple of years. |
| 13:10.58 | ciphergoth | jelly-home: only if they handle this crisis properly, so far they seem to be making a real mess of it |
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| 13:11.18 | valdyn | i thought it was just about broken firmware |
| 13:11.22 | ciphergoth | If I were them I'd offer free data recovery for drives that exhibit the fault |
| 13:11.29 | rhodescus | valdyn: no, it is bad surface media. |
| 13:11.36 | ciphergoth | valdyn: it's about not owning up to it and doing their best to fix it |
| 13:11.37 | valdyn | i see |
| 13:11.43 | ciphergoth | rhodescus: is it? I thought it was firmware too |
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| 13:11.56 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: maybe that too, but that would just be on top of it. |
| 13:12.25 | ciphergoth | wow. I can see how you could screw up the firmware - one nasty bug, happens to the best of us - but how did they screw their surface media? |
| 13:12.28 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: also, I took apart one of their externals, they basically insulate the drive inside that plastic housing. Those fail fast too. |
| 13:13.31 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: the permeability drops off too fast. I don't know the particulars. |
| 13:14.04 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: most drive failures I've seen happen first on a windows swap file. windows marks them as a 'warning' only. |
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| 13:14.08 | ciphergoth | rhodescus: how did one of the best names in hard drives get that wrong? Wouldn't it show up in testing? |
| 13:14.09 | valdyn | i have a few broken samsung drives ~3 years old |
| 13:14.17 | valdyn | so uh |
| 13:14.28 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: these new materials haven't been out long enough. |
| 13:14.37 | ciphergoth | ah |
| 13:14.52 | ciphergoth | so this is the price we pay for our ever-larger drives |
| 13:15.06 | rhodescus | ciphergoth: plus, new techniques like vertical writing aren't very old either. |
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| 13:15.43 | ciphergoth | Apparently the bit-error rate on hard drives has hardly changed since they were a few megabytes |
| 13:16.04 | ciphergoth | which means that the probability of a bit error on your drive has gone up proportionately with its size... |
| 13:16.16 | rhodescus | also, before smart, I noticed drives would swap sectors when they had to correct on checksum. |
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| 13:16.33 | rhodescus | now, they don't swap sectors until they can't correct on checksum. |
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| 13:17.01 | ciphergoth | OK it's finished fsck and it's having a nother go |
| 13:17.02 | jelly-home | rhodescus: how can you tell? |
| 13:17.04 | rhodescus | makes the firmware simpler, but doesn't protect the data. |
| 13:17.29 | ciphergoth | OMG it's worked! It is booting! It's booting! valdyn, thank you so much! |
| 13:17.41 | rhodescus | because of the 'offline uncorrectable' flag thrown by seagate and maxtor drives doesn't write to a new sector until you overwrite the bad sector. |
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| 13:19.07 | rhodescus | it was in the original smartmontools faq on how to recover from 'offline uncorrectable', and I've seen it literally dozens of times since on maxtor and seagate. One samsung last week that was 4 or 5 years old. |
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| 13:20.20 | rhodescus | I wish IBM still made hard drives. |
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| 13:20.41 | bolt | has a 4kg IBM harddrive |
| 13:20.46 | bolt | think it's 20 megs or so |
| 13:20.47 | bolt | :D |
| 13:21.35 | rhodescus | awesome. I used a 20GB ibm harddrive in my laptop for about 8 years, then got backups off it last year. solid. |
| 13:21.55 | jelly-home | then there was that deathstar series |
| 13:22.33 | rhodescus | most of my hitachi have been good. |
| 13:23.02 | yo9gjx | i like seagate |
| 13:23.43 | rhodescus | They were good for a long time. |
| 13:24.00 | rhodescus | Way longer than anyone else during the same time. |
| 13:24.05 | yo9gjx | why IMB stop producing harddrives? |
| 13:24.09 | dazjorz | \amethyst: the bug I was talking about yesterday is a bug in Cygwin. I'm bugreporting it now, thanks for the help ;) |
| 13:24.21 | rhodescus | yo9gjx: no way to make money. |
| 13:24.29 | yo9gjx | aha |
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| 13:24.45 | valdyn | yo9gjx: they sold that part |
| 13:25.04 | yo9gjx | understend |
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| 13:25.59 | rhodescus | The microcenter here in denver got rid of the bins for oem drives, and now put them on the shelf, where they can be easily knocked to the floor. |
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| 13:27.27 | bnroao | can't start ekiga. Got err msg "Failed to retrieve Ekiga server from activation server." What's wrong? |
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| 13:30.05 | broadcaster | i have a box i cannot log on to (interactively) any more. i get: "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0". i can still execute commands remotely, though - even interactive stuff like reiserfsck. any idea, how to track down the problem? ssh's debug-output doesn't really help. |
| 13:30.21 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 13:31.08 | Posterdati | please I got problem with X11... my window manager won't work properly after compiz installation: when I click on a window bar I got it reduced and I can't move the window |
| 13:31.13 | asg | broadcaster: can you login if you use 'ssh -t foo@bar' |
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| 13:31.20 | broadcaster | asg: nope |
| 13:32.09 | broadcaster | i think the fs was damagd, so there could be missing files or links |
| 13:32.11 | broadcaster | or even devices |
| 13:32.24 | asg | broadcaster: probably devices |
| 13:32.31 | broadcaster | i wonder which |
| 13:32.37 | asg | broadcaster: /dev/pts/* |
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| 13:33.10 | asg | broadcaster: check and see if the udev package is installed |
| 13:33.22 | broadcaster | right |
| 13:33.30 | broadcaster | udev doesn't work properly on that box |
| 13:33.43 | broadcaster | but you're right /dev/pts/* are missing |
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| 13:33.50 | broadcaster | i will try to create them |
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| 13:35.59 | jelly-home | broadcaster: is /dev/pts mounted? |
| 13:36.07 | Wiz_KeeD__ | can someone please tell me how i can terminate a proccess that i know the port operating on? |
| 13:36.22 | asg | Wiz_KeeD__: find it's PID, kill PID |
| 13:36.32 | Wiz_KeeD__ | how exactly? |
| 13:36.33 | jelly-home | broadcaster: /proc/mounts should have a line like "devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,nosuid,noexec 0 0" |
| 13:36.35 | Wiz_KeeD__ | i don't know the commands |
| 13:36.37 | asg | Wiz_KeeD__: lsof |
| 13:36.46 | Wiz_KeeD__ | command not found |
| 13:36.53 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD__: are you using netstat? |
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| 13:36.59 | asg | Wiz_KeeD: install it |
| 13:37.04 | Wiz_KeeD | no other way? |
| 13:37.14 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: netstat -p |
| 13:37.22 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: then kill it |
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| 13:37.39 | broadcaster | jelly-home: no, it's not mounted |
| 13:37.51 | jelly-home | broadcaster: do it! |
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| 13:38.01 | Wiz_KeeD | doesn't display the port i think |
| 13:38.06 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: netstat -l -p for listening programs |
| 13:38.11 | Wiz_KeeD | perfect |
| 13:38.42 | Wiz_KeeD | where is the port listed there |
| 13:38.42 | Wiz_KeeD | ? |
| 13:38.56 | asg | Wiz_KeeD: last column 'port/program' |
| 13:39.03 | broadcaster | mount: can't find /dev/pts in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 13:39.06 | Wiz_KeeD | pid/program name |
| 13:39.08 | Wiz_KeeD | no port |
| 13:39.22 | broadcaster | (obviously...) |
| 13:39.23 | jelly-home | broadcaster: if /dev/pts directory doesn't exist, create it first |
| 13:39.49 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: netstat -l -p inet |
| 13:39.56 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: Sorry |
| 13:40.00 | broadcaster | it it exists |
| 13:40.02 | jelly-home | broadcaster: it gets mounted in /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh afaict |
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| 13:40.14 | Wiz_KeeD | not it either i think |
| 13:40.19 | rhodescus | look under 'Local Address' for the port |
| 13:40.32 | Wiz_KeeD | Proto RefCnt Flags Type State I-Node PID/Program name Path |
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| 13:41.01 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: doing `netstat -l -p inet` ? |
| 13:41.10 | Wiz_KeeD | yeah |
| 13:41.11 | broadcaster | hey, that worked! |
| 13:41.11 | Wiz_KeeD | ah |
| 13:41.13 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: that is an 'L' |
| 13:41.15 | Wiz_KeeD | there's a bigger table up |
| 13:41.33 | broadcaster | many thanks, jelly-home |
| 13:41.41 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: oh yeah, it prints the unix sockets at teh bottom. |
| 13:42.10 | broadcaster | ah, stupid me, i had removed all mount-startup-calls in /etc/rcS.d and rc2 |
| 13:42.15 | Wiz_KeeD | idk why the hell i can't find it |
| 13:42.29 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: try `netstat -l -p -n --inet` |
| 13:44.20 | jelly-home | !lart broadcaster |
| 13:44.20 | dpkg | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats broadcaster until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 13:44.43 | broadcaster | lol |
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| 13:45.27 | broadcaster | no, wait |
| 13:45.35 | broadcaster | the links are still there and working |
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| 13:45.40 | broadcaster | i mixed something up |
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| 13:46.00 | broadcaster | but some of the init-script links are broken for a fact, so i will check them |
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| 13:46.22 | broadcaster | mountnfs.sh is not there, but i guess i don't need that for pts |
| 13:46.46 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD: because you aren't doing it as root |
| 13:48.07 | ebilpanda | What is the worst damage I should expect from an Unstable installation? Can it hose the entire disk in a multiboot setup, or will it only corrupt its own partition? What is the worst damage Unstable has caused to anyone so far? |
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| 13:48.55 | broadcaster | ebilpanda: FWIR unstable is just full of broken packages |
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| 13:49.07 | broadcaster | the filesystem is managed by the kernel, more or less... |
| 13:49.38 | broadcaster | as long as you don't use fdisk and stuff (which is rarely broken i assume), nothing bad should happen to the rest of the system |
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| 13:49.47 | broadcaster | but IANAKH (i am not a kernel hacker) |
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| 13:50.37 | ebilpanda | broadcaster: Would that apply to operating as root as well? |
| 13:50.47 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD_: you need to run that as the root user |
| 13:50.58 | Wiz_KeeD_ | sorry my connection went down |
| 13:51.00 | Wiz_KeeD_ | i am root |
| 13:51.01 | jelly-home | uses cat on broadcaster's /dev/mapper/system-root |
| 13:51.17 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD_: try `netstat -l -p -n --inet` |
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| 13:52.00 | jelly-home | ebilpanda: there are many ways to break your system; a sid installation probably doesn't have many more than a stable installation would |
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| 13:52.30 | ebilpanda | OK |
| 13:52.38 | asg | ebilpanda: and also, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:52.44 | jelly-home | ebilpanda: root can ruin everything, but that's not specific to debian unstable |
| 13:53.05 | rhodescus | Wiz_KeeD_: sometimes the port shows up as a name, like 'smtp' |
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| 13:53.54 | ebilpanda | broadcaster, jelly-home, asg: Thanks for the help |
| 13:53.58 | earthian | Hello. Why there is no emerald in lenny repository? |
| 13:54.20 | asg | earthian: /msg dpkg why is emerald not in testing |
| 13:54.27 | earthian | :) thx |
| 13:55.39 | earthian | asg, 404 File not found after clicking a link there |
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| 13:56.53 | asg | earthian: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=emerald |
| 13:56.56 | asg | judd emerald |
| 13:56.57 | judd | asg: Error: "emerald" is not a valid command. |
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| 13:57.52 | enouf | asg: 'judd versions emerald' ? |
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| 13:58.04 | asg | enouf: yeah |
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| 13:58.09 | asg | judd versions emerald |
| 13:58.09 | judd | asg: emerald -- |
| 13:58.16 | earthian | asg there is this link to some emeral page which is a 404 |
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| 13:58.28 | earthian | http://packages.qa.debian.org/emerald |
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| 13:58.31 | asg | earthian: basically, emerald is not in debian, even unstable |
| 13:58.32 | koeien | hi. i'm setting up a laptop system with debian right now; but it's only got 256 MB. does gnome work on such a system, or would you recommend xfce instead? |
| 13:58.46 | earthian | asg.. my original question was "why" |
| 13:59.22 | asg | earthian: it hasn't been packaged; do a search on the mailing list archives to see if anyone has mentioned it |
| 13:59.25 | earthian | koeien, it will work ok, also xfce would work a little better than gnome |
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| 13:59.31 | enouf | earthian: but you asked about a specific release/repo , which would imply it once existed |
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| 13:59.40 | earthian | ok. thanks. |
| 14:00.00 | koeien | earthian: ok. it's for a friend of mine, who has not a lot of experience with other things than gnome. so gnome it is :) thanks |
| 14:00.29 | earthian | koeien, xfce and gnome look similarly |
| 14:00.40 | earthian | not as different as kde and gnome |
| 14:00.55 | koeien | ok, i'll try it out |
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| 14:02.03 | matmo | Hi all, trying to get webcam working in 2.6.18-6-486 and getting "invalid cross-device link" error opening /dev/video0. Hints on how to track the problem down? |
| 14:02.40 | doublehp_ | hy, any one know how to access a HTC (smart phone) file system without installing gnome-vfs ? I was wondering about avfs or gvfs ... to acces the file system using CLI |
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| 14:03.15 | koeien | earthian: personally i hate kde, no experience with xfce. thanks for your help |
| 14:03.36 | pringat | Hi, I'm trying to install Debian from a hard disk using an ISO. The standard mode works well. Is it possible to force it to use the expert mode? thx |
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| 14:08.21 | broadcaster | jelly-home: i don't have /dev/mapper/system-root |
| 14:08.24 | asg | pringat: type 'expert' at the installer prompt |
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| 14:09.20 | jelly-home | broadcaster: can i do cat > /dev/sda, then! |
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| 14:11.50 | pringat | asg: There isn't any prompt line at all. I'm using grub (kernel ... and initrd ... options), and the installer is started immedialty after the grub menu selection... |
| 14:12.23 | liable | then set set debconf priority to low |
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| 14:13.57 | ivank | anyone know an easy way to have iptables persist rules between boots without having to create a bash script in init.d? |
| 14:14.28 | broadcaster | jelly-home: you can do thet with stable as well as with experimental, so...? |
| 14:15.05 | pringat | liable: as an another kernel parameter? |
| 14:15.22 | liable | pringat: in the main menu of the installer |
| 14:16.35 | jelly-home | broadcaster: oh, that was a response to |
| 14:16.35 | jelly-home | <broadcaster> as long as you don't use fdisk and stuff (which is rarely broken i assume), nothing bad should happen to the rest of the system |
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| 14:17.02 | pringat | liable: let me check it.. |
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| 14:20.29 | jan__ | I can 't boot my Debian lenny partition anymore. I think it has something to do with the .28.x kernel I installed last week and I booted it by accident... I can boot another distro on the hdd... I can see where it goes wrong goes it makes a bootlog and cant see the messages of it..... can I start a live-cd and remove the 1) kernel, 2) set bootlog óff' ? |
| 14:20.53 | jan__ | *can not see where it goes wrong |
| 14:21.36 | jan__ | so the default lenny kernel boots, but hangs after a while... |
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| 14:22.22 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:23.10 | eptalon | I have two gigs of ram, and a total of 4 swap partitions (2 gig each). Is there a way to tell the system to use them like in a raid0, rather than filling one, then the next, etc? |
| 14:23.31 | eptalon | (Other than creating a raid0, ofc) |
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| 14:23.41 | eptalon | (System is debian sid) |
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| 14:27.00 | broadcaster | jan__: how do you notice, your kernel doesn't boot? |
| 14:27.16 | broadcaster | what messages do you see? |
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| 14:28.30 | Wombert | there is no web interface for reporting bugs? |
| 14:28.46 | eptalon | Wombert: bugs.debian.org? |
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| 14:29.02 | Wombert | well, I can send an email there |
| 14:29.06 | Wombert | in a nerd-ish format... |
| 14:29.32 | jelly-home | Wombert: that's how it goes. You can use a tool like reportbug to help in generating the mail |
| 14:29.33 | _bozo | hi. on my eeepc 901. in iceweasel (3.0.5.1) when i display web page using flash (adobe flash player 10) my browser is very slow (i've 2go memory (%30use), cpu at 1600mhz(50% use) ). how i can soluce this ? |
| 14:29.42 | Wombert | jelly-home: I'm not a debian user |
| 14:29.50 | Wombert | it's just that... well |
| 14:29.58 | Wombert | once again, the php5 package is completely ruined |
| 14:30.03 | eptalon | Wombert: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 14:30.11 | Wombert | and I'm kind of sick of implementing workarounds in my software |
| 14:30.13 | Wombert | and... yeah |
| 14:30.26 | Wombert | yeah I'll do that, eptalon |
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| 14:30.28 | themill | Wombert: what's wrong with it? |
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| 14:30.38 | eptalon | Wombert: or use reportbug. |
| 14:30.50 | Wombert | themill: well, in olden times, it was incorrectly backported security fixes that ruined streams, for instance |
| 14:30.52 | jelly-home | Wombert: eh, sounds like you are a debian user or you know one :-) |
| 14:30.56 | Wombert | this time, it's http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-php-maint/2008-November/004670.html |
| 14:31.31 | jelly-home | Wombert: what did it completely break? |
| 14:31.38 | Wombert | with that change (why isn't that being contributed to PHP instead, anyway?), there is no way to know the actual timezone |
| 14:31.42 | themill | Wombert: php's TZ handling is braindead. You can't blame debian for that |
| 14:31.49 | Wombert | it keeps returning System/Localtime |
| 14:31.53 | Wombert | instead of the resolved timezone |
| 14:32.19 | Wombert | and I need to know the *actual* name so I can use the timezone, make calculations with it etc in third party code (that doesn't use internal timezone functions) |
| 14:32.29 | Wombert | (because, as themill pointed out, PHP's stuff is hopeless) |
| 14:32.37 | jelly-home | Wombert: the mail says "Discussed upstream but was not desired." |
| 14:32.55 | Assid | waits fro an update on openvz's kernel to support cpu throttling |
| 14:33.09 | themill | Wombert: you have to actually set the TZ somewhere and istr this has been the case since php 5.1 |
| 14:33.15 | Wombert | I can craete a timezone with System/Localtime, and get the offset, but that doesn't help me once I start making calculations where I need DST info etc |
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| 14:33.46 | jelly-home | Wombert: also, the mail suggests setting data.timezone or TZ env.var |
| 14:34.07 | Wombert | I know |
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| 14:34.17 | Wombert | but we're maintaining a framework |
| 14:34.28 | jelly-home | how does it not apply to your situation? |
| 14:34.28 | Wombert | with users that are sometimes... clueless |
| 14:34.39 | Wombert | look |
| 14:34.49 | Wombert | we're using date_default_timezone_get() to get the system tz |
| 14:35.13 | Wombert | which is fine on all systems, and returns Europe/London or something as a last resort, except... for that guy, on debian (?), where it returns System/Localtime |
| 14:35.22 | Wombert | System/Localtime is not in the tzinfo database |
| 14:35.43 | Wombert | so we cannot get info on it, or make an instance of our own timezone object using that timezone |
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| 14:36.20 | Wombert | I can ask PHP for the abbreviated timezone name (NOVT), but that's not authoritative |
| 14:36.23 | Wombert | I need the actual name, Asia/Novosibirsk |
| 14:37.17 | broadcaster | ok, what do i do if /var/lib/dpkg/available is broken or missing? |
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| 14:37.21 | jelly-home | Wombert: I guess you could parse /etc/localtime when you get the System/Localtime hack |
| 14:37.34 | Wombert | jelly-home: I don't *want* to |
| 14:37.49 | themill | Wombert: date_default_timezone_get() can't be trusted anyway. If you get System/Localtime just assume it's UTC or something and tell the user to actually configure things properly. |
| 14:38.10 | Wombert | themill: uh huh |
| 14:38.30 | john_connor | is there a pdf reader that works with the console frame buffer ? |
| 14:38.47 | themill | Wombert: actually, I always require PHP TZ things to be configured by the user. It defaults to Europe/London unless the user sets it to something different. There's no point in trying to guess through php. |
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| 14:40.22 | themill | Wombert: the server time is meaningless anyway. You want the time where the user is or the time at the location the user is interested in. They can be 3 different things. |
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| 14:40.31 | Wombert | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-0.1~lenny1/changelog |
| 14:40.39 | Wombert | there it is, themill / jelly-home |
| 14:41.08 | themill | Wombert: err... yes, that's a debian changelog. What about it? |
| 14:41.19 | Wombert | it says the patch was included in that package |
| 14:42.02 | Wombert | why is stuff like that done |
| 14:42.07 | Wombert | I mean, why isn't such a change contributed to PHP |
| 14:42.57 | Wombert | it breaks applications |
| 14:43.02 | jelly-home | Wombert: the redhat author wrote that upstream didn't like it |
| 14:43.09 | valdyn | Wombert: that patch is in readhat too? |
| 14:43.14 | Wombert | I have no idea |
| 14:43.17 | jelly-home | Wombert: you pasted that mail yourself |
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| 14:44.29 | jelly-home | Wombert: I guess if your app is large enough, you should probably take it to the php-maint list and discuss possible solutions |
| 14:44.33 | Wombert | jelly-home: let me check that |
| 14:44.45 | jelly-home | Wombert: "Discussed upstream but was not desired." |
| 14:44.58 | Wombert | jelly-home: wait, the size of my application is a factor for considering bugfixes? |
| 14:45.01 | Wombert | great! |
| 14:45.13 | Assid | jelly belly! |
| 14:45.21 | valdyn | Wombert: popularity, not codesize |
| 14:45.23 | jelly-home | Wombert: the number of affected users matters yes |
| 14:45.26 | Wombert | really? |
| 14:45.27 | Wombert | awesome |
| 14:45.37 | jelly-home | Wombert: that patch fixes problems for some users |
| 14:45.41 | Wombert | so PHP is ruined to the point where it's not operaating consistently across platforms anymore |
| 14:45.44 | Wombert | and |
| 14:45.45 | stoned | good morning |
| 14:45.47 | Wombert | holy cow |
| 14:45.56 | Wombert | you have to be joking |
| 14:46.14 | valdyn | Wombert: I'm not sure its supposed to |
| 14:46.37 | stoned | ##php |
| 14:46.52 | jelly-home | Wombert: changelog points to http://bugs.debian.org/447174 http://bugs.debian.org/471104; I have not investiagted in detail |
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| 14:48.51 | JPT | in the manpage of make-kpkg, there is "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL" mentioned as environment variable. Does that mean that i'll have to execute "export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2" in order to set it before calling make-kpkg ? |
| 14:49.25 | valdyn | JPT: not exactly |
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| 14:49.46 | jelly-home | JPT: or run "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 make-kpkg ...", |
| 14:49.50 | valdyn | JPT: you can do that, or you can "CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 fakeroot make-kpkg..." |
| 14:49.53 | matmo | re webcam on 2.6.18-6-486 and "invalid cross-device link" error: strace on Motion shows fail on "erestart_restartblock" signal and for Camserv on the "erestartnohand" signal. |
| 14:50.10 | JPT | hmm... okay... i'll try that... thanks :) |
| 14:50.14 | bzed | valdyn: dont' put fakeroot in front of make-kpkg |
| 14:50.19 | bzed | valdyn: that just makes things slow |
| 14:50.20 | JPT | xD |
| 14:50.27 | bzed | valdyn: use make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 14:51.04 | valdyn | bzed: slow by how much? |
| 14:51.07 | valdyn | bzed: i never noticed.. |
| 14:51.11 | bzed | Wombert: pretty much |
| 14:51.15 | bzed | err valdyn |
| 14:51.45 | bzed | valdyn: well, depends on the hardware of course.... |
| 14:51.48 | JPT | and i do not have to seperate the commands by && or stuff ? |
| 14:52.06 | valdyn | JPT: if you export, then sou need to seperate, if you dont export then you dont |
| 14:52.11 | JPT | okay |
| 14:52.18 | JPT | i won't export it... that's easier |
| 14:52.35 | bzed | Wombert: php is insanely broken by design, including the time zone related functions. blame upstream for the inconsistent behaviour and find a way to work around it. |
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| 14:52.48 | JPT | okay.. thanks for your help : |
| 14:52.49 | JPT | :) |
| 14:53.26 | jelly-home | bzed: there's a design behind php? |
| 14:54.01 | bzed | people argue ther eis... |
| 14:54.05 | Wombert | look |
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| 14:54.06 | Wombert | the point is |
| 14:54.11 | Wombert | I then format dates |
| 14:54.15 | Wombert | or output the timezone name |
| 14:54.17 | Wombert | whichever |
| 14:54.21 | Wombert | and it returns System/Localtime |
| 14:54.28 | Wombert | and that works on debian, but nowhere else |
| 14:54.34 | Wombert | ever heard about "interoperability"? |
| 14:54.41 | Wombert | -about +of |
| 14:54.55 | Wombert | it's broken, period |
| 14:54.59 | Wombert | and it's a bad idea to begin with |
| 14:55.01 | bzed | Wombert: read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471104 - php ships their own, broken and outdated timezone information |
| 14:55.07 | bzed | that's broken |
| 14:55.09 | Wombert | that's wrong, bzed |
| 14:55.21 | Wombert | you can easily update PHP's timezone info through pecl |
| 14:55.37 | Wombert | that's the mechanism for it |
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| 14:56.23 | jelly-home | Wombert: it requires user intervention, though |
| 14:56.48 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm running debian etch with apache2.2.3-4+etch6 and the last 2 sundays I have been experiencing this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301702 that should not occur in the version I have, what am I supposed to do now ? |
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| 14:57.56 | valdyn | Bert_2: fuser -p tcp 80 |
| 14:57.59 | bzed | Wombert: sorry, but using included time zone data on systems where the system is able to provide it, is insanely broken. |
| 14:58.09 | Wombert | bzed: look |
| 14:58.11 | Wombert | that patch |
| 14:58.12 | Wombert | breaks apps |
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| 14:58.24 | jelly-home | Wombert: we know. It also unbreaks tz data. |
| 14:58.30 | Wombert | it should *maybe* return something useful when asked for the actual timezone name (it does for the abbreviation) |
| 14:59.17 | valdyn | Bert_2: i also see a solution in that bug report, like editing the "postrotate script" |
| 14:59.33 | Wombert | jelly-home: the thing is |
| 14:59.40 | bzed | Wombert: depending onthe actual timezone is broken, too. |
| 14:59.43 | Wombert | I can do date_default_timezone_set() to "fix" it for me |
| 14:59.48 | Wombert | or something |
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| 14:59.49 | Wombert | but |
| 14:59.51 | Wombert | gah |
| 15:00.05 | Wombert | bzed: pardon? |
| 15:00.10 | jelly-home | Wombert: you really want to take this to pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org; this channel is pretty much end-user support |
| 15:00.42 | bzed | Wombert: use a unix time stamp and apply a time zone on it, if you really need to. |
| 15:01.56 | jelly-home | Wombert: it's likely redhat's or fedora's php will be broken in a similar way |
| 15:02.05 | Wombert | great |
| 15:02.06 | matmo | if kernel modules fail due to signals such as erestart_restartblock/erestartnohand/eintr/eagain does it mean that they were not coded for a 2.6 kernel or is there some kernel option required? |
| 15:02.15 | Wombert | maybe that guy should have listened to the php devs that declined it |
| 15:02.19 | jelly-home | doesn't use debian's php for other reasons |
| 15:02.19 | bzed | Wombert: again, blame php upstream for it. |
| 15:02.27 | Wombert | bzed: I'd like to blame debian |
| 15:02.32 | Wombert | because it's broken there |
| 15:02.40 | bzed | write a bug report. |
| 15:02.44 | Wombert | yeah |
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| 15:03.58 | Wombert | yeah |
| 15:04.00 | Wombert | awesome |
| 15:04.01 | Wombert | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=469532 |
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| 15:06.02 | bzed | Wombert: read through the bug, understand it, and blame php. neither a fault of redhat nor of debian. |
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| 15:06.29 | Wombert | bzed: maybe the patch is a good idea; the implementaiton however is useless |
| 15:06.32 | bzed | Wombert: the way these things are handled in php are insanely broken, the patch makes things better, nothign else. |
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| 15:07.19 | bzed | Wombert: but again, this is thr wrong place to discuss it, either send a bug report, or diskuss it on the maintainer mailing list |
| 15:07.41 | bzed | pkg-php-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 15:11.21 | bazyl | hi everyone ;) |
| 15:11.37 | bazyl | how are your systems today? |
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| 15:12.56 | liable | um, ok i guess |
| 15:13.07 | hoxu | !flw |
| 15:13.07 | dpkg | < busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system? |
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| 15:17.08 | russian_ulysses | Hi. When I try to write data to 16 gigs VFAT flash, only 8 gigs are written and then I got 'No space left on device'. There's no files which >2gb. |
| 15:17.18 | thasp | Ever since I began using this debian net-install disc that sees my wifi card, I noticed that the drivers have been built into the install. However, compared to madwifi, these do no function. |
| 15:18.09 | thasp | When I try to install madwifi the "debian way", from their wiki, compilation fails. is there anyway I can go back in time about 2 months to the net install where my atheros 5005g, after a madwifi install, works happily ever after? |
| 15:18.09 | Assid | vfat flash ? |
| 15:18.22 | russian_ulysses | Assid, yes vfat |
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| 15:19.03 | Assid | russian_ulysses: are you sure the device has free space? |
| 15:19.17 | russian_ulysses | df -h gives '/dev/sdc1 16G 7,8G 7,3G 52% /media/disk' |
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| 15:19.39 | Assid | it isnt on of them cheap chinese brands is it? |
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| 15:20.14 | Assid | personally id move it to ntfs |
| 15:20.25 | Assid | anything over 4 gigs makes sense on ntfs as long as you remember to eject it |
| 15:20.39 | Assid | ELSE if you can make it ext2 |
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| 15:20.54 | Assid | not sure journalizing makes sense on a flash drive |
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| 15:21.42 | peppe | IMHO ext2 doesn't make sense on a flash drive, I want to be able to use it in non-linux machines |
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| 15:22.19 | thasp | kernel's built in wifi drivers are driving me crazy |
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| 15:22.39 | Assid | peppe: in which case ntfs |
| 15:22.40 | frostschutz | russian_ulysses: are you maybe hitting on one of the vfat limits? (like too many files in one dir or similar) |
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| 15:22.53 | Assid | frostschutz: thats what im thinking |
| 15:23.01 | russian_ulysses | Assid brand is myflash |
| 15:23.17 | Assid | also.. you make sure it isnt fat16 but fat32 |
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| 15:23.40 | Assid | russian_ulysses: reformat it.. make it in ntfs.. and do not enable compression |
| 15:24.15 | peppe | it is for sure fat32, fat16 has a maximum volume size of 2GB |
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| 15:24.36 | Assid | peppe: yyes.. ut he could have compression on |
| 15:24.54 | Assid | compresion on textf files is pretty high |
| 15:25.10 | jelly-home | Assid: does ntfs-3g support it? |
| 15:25.17 | twiadpaws | peppe, fat32 is limited to 4 gb |
| 15:25.27 | Assid | jelly-home: methinks yes.. |
| 15:25.28 | peppe | twiadpaws: yes, with 64k clusters |
| 15:25.41 | Assid | it would treat it as an external drive which has ntfs |
| 15:25.48 | Assid | a reason why i said make sure you eject |
| 15:25.48 | peppe | and IIRC fat32 doesn't support compression schemes |
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| 15:25.57 | twiadpaws | peppe, ow soz read it the wrong way :)) |
| 15:25.57 | jelly-home | Assid: I mean the compression feature |
| 15:26.08 | Assid | jelly-home: oh not sure |
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| 15:26.15 | Assid | peppe: i could be wrong.. |
| 15:26.43 | peppe | if you're referring to drivespace/doublespace tools, they don't support fat32 |
| 15:26.49 | Assid | i justr converted my 8 gig stick to ntfs.. so i can add more 4-5 GB single files |
| 15:27.40 | Worf | Assid: somehow i doubt that you can add more than one of such files |
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| 15:28.02 | peppe | and I can't remember other fat intrinsic limits |
| 15:28.12 | Assid | Worf: err. yeah single file.. but nevertheless fat32 didnt let me do huge files |
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| 15:31.46 | tomfmason | hey, what do you guys use to decompress rar's? unrar-free fails to compress almost everything in the rar archive |
| 15:32.50 | EagleScreen | unrar and rar? |
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| 15:33.22 | jelly-home | tomfmason: rar |
| 15:33.36 | peppe | tomfmason: you need the non-free rar then |
| 15:34.09 | jelly-home | yes it's nonfree and shareware, but then again, stuff that comes in .rar usually isn't that free either |
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| 15:34.16 | tomfmason | lol I meant "unrar-free fails to decompress" but yu guys seem to have known what I meant :P |
| 15:34.30 | jelly-home | judd: versions rar |
| 15:34.30 | judd | jelly-home: rar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.7b1-2 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.8.0-2 |
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| 15:35.01 | frostschutz | unp -> unrar, wrapped in a shell script that creates a subdir for each archive and extracts the files in there (as rars usually don't include a subdir by themselves) |
| 15:35.14 | jelly-home | judd: versions rar amd64 |
| 15:35.15 | judd | jelly-home: rar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.7b1-2 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.8.0-2 |
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| 15:35.19 | jelly-home | huh, nice |
| 15:35.24 | jelly-home | judd: versions rar sparc |
| 15:35.24 | judd | jelly-home: rar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.7b1-2 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.8.0-2 |
| 15:35.30 | jelly-home | judd: you lie! |
| 15:35.30 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "you" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:35.50 | jelly-home | judd: versions rar --arch amd64 |
| 15:35.51 | judd | jelly-home: rar -- etch/non-free: 1:3.7b1-2 lenny/non-free: 1:3.8b3-1 sid/non-free: 1:3.8.0-2 |
| 15:35.59 | jelly-home | judd: versions rar --arch mipsel |
| 15:36.00 | judd | jelly-home: rar -- |
| 15:36.07 | jelly-home | judd: versions rar --arch sparc |
| 15:36.07 | judd | jelly-home: rar -- |
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| 15:36.26 | jelly-home | there, so it exists for 32 and 64bit x64 |
| 15:36.29 | jelly-home | x86* |
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| 15:36.39 | peppe | jelly-home: well, unfortunately mates use unrar to compress archives (since they install winrar and its default format is - guess it - rar) |
| 15:37.29 | Assid | okay so.. my 4gb corsair does 35.4M/sec on fat32 and my transcend 8gb does 21 M/sec on ntfs |
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| 15:38.30 | tomfmason | thanks guys. Although I don't really like it unrar-nonfree and rar-nonfree seemed to work prefectly |
| 15:38.33 | ttick | if I need to change my DNS entries in /etc/resolv.conf, how do I get the new values to take affect? |
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| 15:39.08 | tomfmason | ttick: It should be instantly, imo |
| 15:39.34 | tomfmason | unless you are using something like dnsmasq |
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| 15:40.12 | ttick | tomfmason: for some reason my routing tables don't seem to get fixed. Hmm, I think I'm mis-representing something here. |
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| 15:41.47 | ttick | Okay, I go to a cafe, do a dhclient to get an IP and DNS. But when I come home, I hook up to my static IP. However, I can't get anywhere off my box. But if I end the resolv.conf with my correct DNS entries, then reboot, everything comes up fine. If I don't reboot, I nothign works. Any clues? |
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| 15:42.50 | jelly-home | ttick: do you have resolvconf installed? |
| 15:43.10 | ttick | no |
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| 15:44.20 | jelly-home | ttick: can you get ifconfig -a and route -n output when it's not working? |
| 15:44.46 | ttick | hmm, I can get iconfig -a and netstat -n. Haven't tried route -n |
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| 15:45.33 | ttick | (obviously, I don't have the problem at the moment, so I can't test -- but when I do I can't get here, obviously) |
| 15:45.36 | eptalon | Is there a way I can get sid to use all swap partitions equally, rather than fillinh up one, before touching the next? |
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| 15:45.54 | jelly-home | ttick: right; but you can route -n > some-file |
| 15:46.13 | jelly-home | ttick: next time, try doing just /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:46.15 | ttick | okay, shall I do that next-time, and then return with my results? |
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| 15:46.34 | ttick | I tried, /etc/init.d/networking restart -- that didn't fix it. :/ |
| 15:46.41 | Alex-Musicman | where is the portuguese support channel if have one? |
| 15:47.10 | jelly-home | ttick: yup, ifconfig -a and route -n should be useful; also, was there a dhclient process still running? |
| 15:47.32 | asg | Alex-Musicman: #debian-pt |
| 15:48.02 | jelly-home | ttick: do you use the same card at home and at the cafe? |
| 15:48.32 | jelly-home | ttick: (and not, say, wired eth0 at home vs. wireless at the cafe) |
| 15:48.34 | Alex-Musicman | not seem... only have 1 user and have no topic.. |
| 15:48.51 | ttick | I use the pcimcia card at the cafe, internal eth0 when I get home. In the meantime there's a reboot -- dhclient isn't running. |
| 15:49.02 | valdyn | eptalon: thats the case when priority is same for all |
| 15:49.13 | jelly-home | !br |
| 15:49.13 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:49.15 | ttick | the pcimcia is taken out before reboot at home. |
| 15:49.35 | jelly-home | Alex-Musicman: however if you're using ubuntu, go to one of the ubuntu channels |
| 15:50.00 | Alex-Musicman | not is for me... but for a fried |
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| 15:50.07 | Alex-Musicman | *friend |
| 15:50.21 | Alex-Musicman | 15:48 -!- #debian-br ##debian-br Forwarding to another channel |
| 15:50.29 | eptalon | valdyn: swapon shows pri -1 to -4; in fstab, all priorities are "0" |
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| 15:50.40 | Alex-Musicman | it seems a non-oficial channel.. |
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| 15:52.07 | jelly-home | Alex-Musicman: hm. It's possible it moved to irc.debian.org |
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| 15:52.45 | suwro | hello |
| 15:53.38 | suwro | I am having problems with dpkg. it say Reinstallation of perl is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 15:53.57 | asg | suwro: pastbin the commands and error (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 15:54.02 | suwro | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:54.06 | Alex-Musicman | humm... |
| 15:54.49 | jelly-home | suwro: also the output of "apt-cache policy perl" |
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| 15:55.46 | suwro | jelly-home: you-re genious. :) I had this Package: * |
| 15:55.46 | suwro | Pin: release lenny |
| 15:55.46 | suwro | Pin-Priority: 1000 |
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| 15:55.57 | suwro | but the system was downgraded to etch |
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| 15:56.06 | suwro | etch is the stable release - no> |
| 15:56.08 | suwro | ?? |
| 15:56.19 | jelly-home | correct. |
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| 16:00.07 | suwro | jelly-home: same problem |
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| 16:03.09 | suwro | http://pastebin.com/d88f3082 |
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| 16:04.34 | jelly-home | suwro: your machine wasn't downgraded fully |
| 16:04.47 | suwro | how do I downgrade it fully pls? |
| 16:05.22 | asg | suwro: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 16:05.27 | suwro | msg dpkg downgrade |
| 16:05.29 | suwro | oops |
| 16:05.51 | asg | suwro: beware, depending on what you have installed, it may not be possible depending on how far removed the packages you have installed are from those in etch. |
| 16:06.16 | suwro | ok I'll stick to lenny then. |
| 16:06.28 | suwro | I'll upgrade back. |
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| 16:08.29 | suwro | so I guess apt-get become history... |
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| 16:10.38 | sebbs | suwro: how come? |
| 16:10.46 | sebbs | apt-get is great |
| 16:11.18 | suwro | sebbs: I love it too.. but I've tried to downgrade my lenny to etch and had problems, used aptitude instead |
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| 16:11.48 | gravity | suwro: apt was never designed for downgrades |
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| 16:11.55 | asg | suwro: debian has never supported downgrades. It can be done but one has to do it manually and it's generally not worth the hassle; just reinstall stable |
| 16:12.14 | gravity | suwro: It's not really apt that's the problem so much as the packaging scripts. We'd have to manually code many packages to be able to handle that. It's not really feasible. |
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| 16:12.43 | gravity | You can use pinning to get partway there, but as asg says, you'd have to manually do a lot |
| 16:12.47 | sebbs | suwro: yes downgrades are not supported, but i have gotten them working with aptitude as well |
| 16:13.05 | sebbs | aptitude is great, but i use apt-get on my openmoko, since it does not fetch all the extra packages |
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| 16:13.22 | sebbs | aptitude picks up alot of junk that i dont need. |
| 16:13.42 | jelly-home | sebbs: you can tell it not to use Recommends |
| 16:13.46 | asg | sebbs: you can disable that functionality |
| 16:14.01 | sebbs | jelly-home: well of course |
| 16:14.16 | hoxu | !start an install-recommends war |
| 16:14.16 | dpkg | apt-get now installs a minesweeper when I told it to install bacula. *sob* |
| 16:14.17 | sebbs | i bet it might even have super cow powers |
| 16:14.27 | sebbs | ...or perhaps not |
| 16:14.44 | jelly-home | it doesn't have easter eggs either |
| 16:15.00 | asg | who needs easter eggs when you can apt-get install cowsay |
| 16:15.16 | sebbs | cowsay is quite boring i must say |
| 16:15.24 | sebbs | i made a cowsay with a cat onces when i was bored |
| 16:15.36 | sebbs | but alas my ascii skillz are not well developed. |
| 16:15.37 | jelly-home | /exec -o cowsay "No, it's not!" |
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| 16:15.57 | d-b | !offtopic |
| 16:15.57 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
| 16:16.13 | hoxu | haha. |
| 16:17.00 | jelly-home | "use only the _good_ recommends" |
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| 16:18.18 | d-b | jelly-home:which are ? |
| 16:18.25 | asg | cowsay and bsdgames |
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| 16:18.42 | d-b | asg: perhaps this should be the debian lenny default ? |
| 16:18.42 | d-b | rofl |
| 16:18.48 | sebbs | asg: tell me the name of a fun bsdgame, i have it on my phone but ive not found any game with playing |
| 16:18.52 | asg | d-b: it is in all my local packages ;) |
| 16:18.56 | itewsh | hello |
| 16:18.57 | asg | sebbs: wtf |
| 16:19.22 | itewsh | I'm a new debian user (I used hitherto only ubuntu), and i have some problem with my wifi |
| 16:19.32 | d-b | itewsh: what's the problem |
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| 16:19.50 | d-b | you can use network-manager just like you did on ubuntu. no? |
| 16:20.02 | asg | sebbs: /usr/games/wtf (if /usr/games isn't in your $PATH) |
| 16:20.04 | sebbs | asg: :( dont wtf me, the text adventure games are no fun, z machine games are alot more fun |
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| 16:20.19 | sebbs | it is wtf is not a game |
| 16:20.29 | \amethyst | sebbs: boggle |
| 16:20.29 | itewsh | d-b: in fact, my wifi key was not recognized (although it was on ubuntu) |
| 16:20.43 | d-b | itewsh: explain ... |
| 16:21.00 | itewsh | d-b: after stfw, i find out, that I had to use a firmware : "zd1211" |
| 16:21.03 | d-b | 'keyboard' key right ? |
| 16:21.08 | sebbs | \amethyst: thanks :) i will try it later :) |
| 16:21.28 | sebbs | itewsh: are you sure you are putting in the correct key? |
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| 16:21.40 | sebbs | itewsh: i mean key and passphrase are two different things |
| 16:21.40 | itewsh | in fact, I installed correctly ! |
| 16:21.49 | \amethyst | sebbs: there's also atc (air traffic control), but I find it kind of stressful :) |
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| 16:22.05 | d-b | so itewsh wifi works just the key to turn it off / on doesnt ? |
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| 16:22.16 | sebbs | \amethyst: ah yes i tried that :) it was fun but stressful too |
| 16:22.19 | d-b | no issue really just hack a script in if you must ^^ |
| 16:22.20 | itewsh | but, when I do "ifup wlan0", it works, however : The connection take to much time, and my computer makes noise ! Oo |
| 16:22.22 | asg | \amethyst: maybe the laid-off Microsoft Fligh Sim staff can lend a hand in upgrading it |
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| 16:23.40 | itewsh | It seems to be the fan ... |
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| 16:23.57 | itewsh | or ventilator |
| 16:24.08 | sebbs | ventilator? |
| 16:24.14 | itewsh | fan ? |
| 16:24.50 | \amethyst | 'fan' is the right word |
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| 16:24.59 | itewsh | ok thanks |
| 16:25.14 | sebbs | in spanish its ventilador (or something like that) |
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| 16:26.08 | itewsh | in french, ventilateur |
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| 16:26.37 | sebbs | :) |
| 16:26.38 | jelly-home | do they write ventilateur-fiction? |
| 16:26.56 | sebbs | lol |
| 16:27.39 | itewsh | hum ? |
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| 16:28.40 | itewsh | so, what can I do ? :( |
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