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| 06:06.04 | n3kl | henke: sure. What is is, man options? |
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| 06:07.50 | n3kl | where do I read up on that file? |
| 06:07.52 | henke | n3kl: I don't know what manpage it has, if it has |
| 06:08.27 | henke | n3kl: hmm, that file might be deprecated |
| 06:08.45 | n3kl | Ahh |
| 06:11.21 | Gm4n | is there a "forwardports"? I want to install an etch package on my lenny box, because there isn't a lenny version. |
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| 06:15.10 | ioudas2 | im having problems setting up sites-available i keep getting no virtual hosts for this namevirutalhost |
| 06:15.15 | ioudas2 | im in lenny |
| 06:15.23 | ioudas2 | and i am trying to setup more than 1 domain |
| 06:16.29 | shivraj | how can you build a package with a defines.debian file ? |
| 06:16.48 | ioudas2 | http://pastebin.com/m1159d299 |
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| 06:24.43 | scientes__ | what package stores the root certificate store? |
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| 06:29.25 | JW | hey you know how you can use xargs to convert a bunch of output with line breaks into one line with spaces? How to you do the opposite (convert spaces to line breaks)? |
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| 06:43.31 | yolung | any living soul around? |
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| 06:45.47 | yolung | eveyone's gone celebrating the Chinese New Year? |
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| 06:53.11 | gimmal | anyone think there'd be a problem with backporting kernel 2.6.28 to etch? |
| 06:53.29 | gimmal | not planning on making a release of it -- can't abide the responsibility in that much -- just doing a local build |
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| 06:54.12 | gimmal | have to backport python-central also, and I'm not actually sure if 2.6.28 has the ath9k driver code, come to think of it -- it's unclear about what's been merged and what ain't |
| 06:54.43 | gimmal | just trying to avoid making spaghetti out of things, if i can avoid it... |
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| 06:56.02 | gimmal | geez quite channel tonight, this is rare. so is j-lo doing a debian etc cd signing party or something? heh |
| 06:58.11 | scientes__ | what package stores the many root certificates in? |
| 07:00.43 | gimmal | scientes: I'm not sure what you're looking for, exactl. it sounds like it's related to openssl -- might want to look at the 'ca' manual page? |
| 07:01.08 | scientes | well when i installed lenny there was barely anything in /etc/ssl/certs |
| 07:01.15 | scientes | i believe |
| 07:01.24 | scientes | and now there are all the standard ca roots |
| 07:01.30 | scientes | verisign thawte etc |
| 07:02.02 | gimmal | scientes: ca-certificates package maybe |
| 07:02.09 | scientes | does a mail server need those? |
| 07:02.15 | gimmal | used dlocate to check on the file-names, fwiw |
| 07:02.43 | gimmal | scientes: well, it depends, I guess. I'm not all familiar with all the possible SSL options on top of the possible email options -- big question, too ;) |
| 07:03.19 | gimmal | if your mail server needs to use ssl certs, i'd bet it might need those ca-certs |
| 07:03.30 | gimmal | short, vague answer, but it's an answer, hehe |
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| 07:31.50 | sepult | can't get my alt+f2 working, is it a bug in kde4 or something i miss ? |
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| 07:39.32 | timob | there is command to show differences between a configuration file and the default configuration file in a package ... any one remember it? |
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| 07:40.32 | sepult | diff ? |
| 07:41.57 | timob | yeah but that means downloding the package , extracting it and diffing it ... too much trouble |
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| 07:45.34 | sepult | apt-listchanges ? |
| 07:45.39 | sepult | maybe |
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| 07:49.33 | simonrvn | listchanges is *changelogs* |
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| 07:53.34 | slackd00d | is there a howto on installing lenny using netinst and rt61 wireless? |
| 07:53.57 | sepult | there is |
| 07:54.17 | slackd00d | will you point me in that direction |
| 07:54.20 | slackd00d | please |
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| 07:55.56 | sepult | sorry my konqueror collapsed... |
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| 07:56.53 | sepult | just google |
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| 07:59.06 | slackd00d | i have been |
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| 07:59.48 | sepult | let me guess you miss the wireless modules within your netinst image... |
| 08:00.10 | sepult | right ? |
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| 08:01.16 | slackd00d | i loaded the wireless-tools udeb |
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| 08:04.05 | sepult | that's the program, i think you miss the modules... |
| 08:04.36 | slackd00d | how do i load them |
| 08:06.09 | sepult | you have to use one netinst image which contains them, or in case of of they aren't contained in the image to have the corresponding .deb package in your install-media |
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| 08:07.13 | sepult | i tried once to install an etch netinst image on a usb, but it would lack my ethernet card modules |
| 08:07.44 | sepult | a lenny netinst image would contain them however |
| 08:08.19 | slackd00d | well i'm using the daily builds and rc's and they dont have them |
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| 08:10.59 | sepult | well there's a page,how to create a netinst image with all the modules you need, and fiddle with the debian-installer options to thell the installer to use the right ones etc.. but alas that's too much fiddling for me.. |
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| 08:17.20 | jelly-home | !ops on-join spam from aNaSTaCia_SiFaYi |
| 08:17.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: on-join spam from aNaSTaCia_SiFaYi |
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| 08:17.53 | jelly-home | yay! |
| 08:18.21 | liable | tomaw: if i message that bot of yours after it cycles, will it kline me? :) |
| 08:19.49 | tomaw | It shouldn't |
| 08:20.43 | liable | oh, i thought thats what it was for (why it kept cycling) |
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| 08:45.43 | vaq | How can i pipe the pid number for a process shown in ps aux into kill ? |
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| 08:47.34 | Rokstead1 | vaq: make your life easier by using pgrep or pkill |
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| 08:49.40 | hermanJ | what's the deal with SCO suit ? |
| 08:49.48 | hermanJ | corporate use of *nix that is |
| 08:50.02 | hermanJ | did that ever resolve ? IBM wise ? |
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| 08:50.37 | alcohol | mornin' all |
| 08:50.37 | hermanJ | Suprano - you don't respect irrational number theory then ! post 4 mantissa ignorance - shame |
| 08:50.53 | hermanJ | can debian run on the cell architecture ? |
| 08:51.06 | hermanJ | was exploring this on my ps3 |
| 08:51.19 | alcohol | I'd recommend a special ps3 build |
| 08:51.19 | hermanJ | seems yellowdog is it - I see redhat usage though |
| 08:51.24 | hermanJ | fair enough |
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| 08:51.31 | hermanJ | my brother likes bedian |
| 08:51.34 | hermanJ | er, debian |
| 08:51.45 | hermanJ | always tryin' to pull me in |
| 08:51.57 | alcohol | I can imagine, but a ps3 isn't exactly regular hardware. |
| 08:51.58 | hermanJ | I say - hey - I just want eclipse and my damn plugins - oh well |
| 08:52.15 | hermanJ | well it is, it many ways - just wasn't sure if debian was supported |
| 08:52.21 | hermanJ | to take advantage |
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| 08:52.27 | alcohol | We use debian on our servers, but on my desktop I prefer ubuntu. |
| 08:52.28 | n215 | hi |
| 08:52.30 | hermanJ | heh - I bet 72 hours I'd get it up and running |
| 08:52.40 | alcohol | Probably less. |
| 08:52.49 | hermanJ | lotta skippin on libs but - hey - I'd get ps3 to boot with debian, I know I could. |
| 08:52.59 | n215 | which debian CD do I need to download to have debian with Gnome? |
| 08:53.04 | hermanJ | anyway - guess the neighbor is back with the dog from the vet - I'm off -0 |
| 08:53.14 | n215 | im downloading debian-40r6-i386-CD-1.iso right now |
| 08:53.18 | hermanJ | wow - I remember in meeehico - meeting the creator of gnome - |
| 08:53.23 | hermanJ | it IS a hard G |
| 08:53.26 | hermanJ | no one gets that |
| 08:53.35 | hermanJ | I use it just to freak teams when I meet them |
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| 08:55.19 | n215 | does CD-1 come with Gnome ? |
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| 08:59.30 | geophoenix | : ) |
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| 09:12.27 | tarzeau | is there a special program to read the gnome-user-guide ? |
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| 09:13.25 | tarzeau | ah gnome-help |
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| 09:23.12 | fireba11 | anyone got websphere 6.1 running on debian? the installer refuses to install since it knows only redhat and suse as supported and ubuntu as might-work distros. i'm rather sure it will work fine though .. any tips? |
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| 09:23.30 | streuner_ | tarzeau: great, someone who asking and answered his own question :-P |
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| 09:30.31 | muhoo | i've got to run a pristine 2.6.26.8 kernel, on my lenny system, in order to apply the Ingo realtime patches |
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| 09:30.47 | muhoo | but, i need the atl1e driver in order to make my laptop run |
| 09:30.53 | muhoo | no ethernet == useless device |
| 09:31.22 | muhoo | so, i need to try to figure out what patches the debian maintainers applied to the 2.6.28 in order to get the atl1e working |
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| 09:31.32 | muhoo | and rt2860sta too. |
| 09:31.45 | muhoo | any idea where to start with this task? |
| 09:32.46 | muhoo | a massive diff of linux-source-2.6.26 vs. the pristine kernel? |
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| 09:33.45 | muhoo | :-( |
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| 09:34.12 | muhoo | dreads the needle-in-a-haystack task awaiting |
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| 09:38.19 | cmdKeen | How can I change permissions for /proc/bus/usb? Somehing like udev rules for /proc :) |
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| 09:41.08 | efaistos | hi |
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| 09:42.09 | efaistos | i'm trying to use kbdrate to set my keyboard repeat ... but doesnt work really well under awesome ... any idea on how to set it up easily ? |
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| 09:43.50 | gyspymauro | hi |
| 09:44.27 | gyspymauro | someone uses aide? I've a problem with reports of aide it fills my mail of changed files and they are all /dev/* |
| 09:45.34 | alcohol | fix your config |
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| 10:00.08 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:00.08 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
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| 10:13.16 | sylarrr | where is the part of the mime definitions where it is said how to relate file extensions to mime types? |
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| 10:14.39 | sylarrr | huh? |
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| 10:19.25 | E-bola | Hello |
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| 10:19.43 | E-bola | I am trying to share some partitions on a software raid via iscsi. But it seems linux cant "address" the partitions as devices |
| 10:19.55 | E-bola | I can however see them listed if i fdisk the software raid device |
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| 10:20.09 | E-bola | shouldnt i be able to address them as /dev/md0p1 /dev/md0p2 etc? |
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| 10:29.18 | abaddon | im having a problem with bridged networking, i have created br0 and bridged eth0 to it, then im using dhcp to get an ip for eth0 (purpose for the bridge will be to connect some openvz instances to it later on), eth0 gets the right ip from dhcp but when im trying to ping anything it doesnt see the arp reply from the gateway, i see the arp reply ok in tcpdump both in eth0 and br0, what could keep it from s |
| 10:29.19 | abaddon | toring the reply in the arp tables? |
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| 10:30.35 | _newbie_ | hello, can anybody tell me which is the best Debian packaged version of grub (unstable/experimental) that supports ext4 as a boot filesystem |
| 10:31.09 | jelly-home | E-bola: did you tell mdadm to create partitionable devices when you created them? |
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| 10:31.29 | jelly-home | E-bola: afaik it's not a default |
| 10:31.30 | E-bola | jelly-home: not unless thats the default :) |
| 10:31.43 | E-bola | I didnt know there was "un-partionable" devices |
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| 10:32.58 | NoReGreT | do the modules in modules.dep usually load on boot ? since I compiled/installed a cam driver and in the makefile where I saw depmod under the install section. I thought there is a need to load that module manually after boot, but I was wrong, it loaded automatically (no entry in /etc/modules). Why is that ? |
| 10:33.07 | jelly-home | E-bola: /dev/sda1 is not partitionable, for example |
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| 10:34.02 | martian67 | NoReGreT, modern kernels load modules when you access that resource |
| 10:34.13 | martian67 | and unload again when its not needed |
| 10:34.22 | abaddon | NoReGreT, i think it loads when it detects the right hardware connected, depmod just configures the magic |
| 10:34.38 | martian67 | modprobe is largely un-nessisary |
| 10:34.40 | E-bola | jelly-home: Maybe i should just put lvm on top of the big software raid |
| 10:34.52 | jelly-home | E-bola: why? |
| 10:35.21 | E-bola | jelly-home: So i dont have to wait for it to rebuild hehe |
| 10:35.28 | NoReGreT | aha, i see |
| 10:35.32 | E-bola | or could u change if a device is partionable on the cmdline? |
| 10:35.55 | jelly-home | no idea, the manual is all yours |
| 10:36.02 | NoReGreT | another one: I made a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces to load on boot, but i want to know how could i disable the loading of eth0, I don't want it to load anymore since i'm using the bridge (no entry related to eth0 is found in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 10:36.28 | Blackshark | i do have a problem with a non existing library when compiling php5.3 with "--with-mysql=..." the error is about the libstdc++.1a which does not exists |
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| 10:40.53 | bobby- | im having a problem with bridged networking, i have created br0 and bridged eth0 to it, then im using dhcp to get an ip for eth0 (purpose for the bridge will be to connect some openvz instances to it later on), eth0 gets the right ip from dhcp but when im trying to ping anything it doesnt see the arp reply from the gateway, i see the arp reply ok in tcpdump both in eth0 and br0, what could keep it from storing the reply in the arp tables? |
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| 10:46.25 | Quag7 | Hi, I'm trying to do some automatic record keeping. Is there any easy way to tell the last time an apt-get upgrade was run on my system? Is there a way to query this information? |
| 10:46.50 | Quag7 | I can tell when the last time I did an update was by looking at the file time on /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin |
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| 10:47.32 | liable | Quag7: /bar/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:47.36 | evilgenius | Hello.. |
| 10:47.37 | liable | var even |
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| 10:47.48 | [gnubie] | for production setup, do you use LVM on the database partition? if yes, does it have a big impact with its disk i/o or tolerable? please share your ideas. thanks in advance.. ;) |
| 10:48.00 | petemc | lvm doesnt have much overhead |
| 10:48.43 | Quag7 | Excellent, thanks |
| 10:48.45 | evilgenius | I need some assistance with apache / debian / maybe a person overloading it.. my web server is going pretty slow speedwise.. and (The server company is just a rack is shint when it comes to problems)) |
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| 10:51.36 | doglus_ | bobby-, what does brctl showmacs show? |
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| 10:53.22 | the1 | is there a usenet client for Debian that I can use to post and receive messages. icedove is not working for me as I am unable to add multiple accounts to the same server. |
| 10:54.17 | petemc | i use klibido, but thats only for binaries |
| 10:54.38 | jones- | Hello. |
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| 10:54.56 | jones- | Is there a way to automatically add a certain route each time a certain interface goes up? |
| 10:55.14 | petemc | jones-: you can use a post-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:55.31 | jones- | petemc: and write the all "route add" command in there? |
| 10:55.38 | petemc | yeah |
| 10:55.47 | jones- | petemc: because it seems that the gnome network manager is interfering or something |
| 10:55.59 | petemc | network mangler will do that |
| 10:56.25 | petemc | if you have entries in /e/n/i , nm should leave the interface alone |
| 10:56.36 | petemc | _should_ |
| 10:56.44 | jones- | petemc: oh ok, I'll try |
| 10:57.01 | jones- | but well that's the wireless, I'm fine with nm doing it |
| 10:57.09 | jones- | except that I want to add a route each time it goes up |
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| 10:58.18 | jones- | hey it seems there's opions in nm's ui for that :) |
| 10:59.47 | jones- | petemc: if I get disconnected from irc after a while, it didn't work :) |
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| 11:00.34 | Blackshark | i do have a problem with a non existing library when compiling php5.3 with "--with-mysql=..." the error is about the libstdc++.1a which does not exists. all libstdc++ packages are installed |
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| 11:03.02 | NoReGreT | Blackshark: the *-dev packages too ? |
| 11:03.43 | Blackshark | yes. the packages include .so files which the compiler curiously doesn't want |
| 11:04.05 | NoReGreT | no idea then :) |
| 11:07.57 | refdoc | can someone point me into direction of debian policies for "content packages"? i.e. what to package and what not? |
| 11:08.28 | refdoc | the policy manual is silent on the question |
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| 11:09.44 | Aboluy | hi! hat is the best way to upgrade from an old 3.1 sarge dist to etch ? |
| 11:10.24 | jelly | !+tell Aboluy -about sarge->etch |
| 11:10.25 | dpkg | told Aboluy about sarge->etch. |
| 11:10.50 | Aboluy | thanks :) |
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| 11:11.20 | Nameeatr | is there anyway I can find out why apt-get or aptitude will not install a package from experimental even tho apt-cache policy lists the experimental version? |
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| 11:12.52 | jelly | Nameeatr: aptitude why-not foo/experimental |
| 11:13.34 | jelly | Nameeatr: also, it might not be considered at all, esp. if you messed with pinning: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 11:14.08 | Aboluy | jelly: my sources.list file links to sarge mirrors that all return a 404 |
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| 11:14.53 | Aboluy | so doing the update/upgrade aint working im afraid |
| 11:15.01 | Aboluy | without having the correct sources list |
| 11:15.24 | notassociated | i am running debian etch on my laptop and have 2 pcmcia wireless cards. i want to use one of the cards as an AP. The card is a linksys WPC11 ver3 which uses the hostap driver. the problem is that if I set it to mode master it changes to managed mode within a minute. what gives? |
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| 11:15.43 | notassociated | dmesg says: pdmesg says: prism2: wlan0: operating mode changed 3 -> 2rism2: wlan0: operating mode changed 3 -> 2 |
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| 11:16.10 | notassociated | i goggled this message but could not find the solution. The funny thing is that another guy reported the same problem last September |
| 11:16.27 | notassociated | http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2008-September/018516.html |
| 11:16.44 | jelly | Aboluy: ah, right. sarge has been archived. if you need to update it first, change to archive.debian.org |
| 11:16.52 | jelly | !ado |
| 11:16.52 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 11:17.20 | Aboluy | thanks, again |
| 11:17.52 | Nameeatr | I get: E: No package named "vlc/experimental" exists. from: aptitude why-not vlc/experimental I get: http://www.pastebin.ca/1318489 from apt-cache folicy vlc |
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| 11:21.24 | jelly | hm, why-not doesn't accept that syntax. |
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| 11:22.51 | jelly | Nameeatr: and what happens when you try aptitude install vlc/experimental? |
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| 11:24.21 | Nameeatr | hmm, I actually get a message (unlike when I used -t experimental): The following packages are BROKEN: vlc |
| 11:24.51 | Nameeatr | unmet dependencies of vlc-nox and libcaca0 |
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| 11:26.10 | monkey_d_luffy | what is the (dpkg?) command to reconfigure the type of network? I have my laptop with a static IP but now I want to set it to DHCP. Ideally I would like to switch between these 2 configurations. |
| 11:26.20 | jelly | Nameeatr: that's not all it says |
| 11:26.49 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy: there is no dpkg command, you edit /etc/network/interfaces, if you want to swithc between configs, there are apps to do that |
| 11:26.57 | Nameeatr | jelly: http://www.pastebin.ca/1318493 |
| 11:27.00 | NoReGreT | I made a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces to load on boot, but i want to know how could i disable the loading of eth0, I don't want it to load anymore since i'm using the bridge (no entry related to eth0 is found in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 11:28.41 | jelly | Nameeatr: if you don't accept that solution, is there another one that succeeds in installing vlc? |
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| 11:28.56 | Trewas | Nameeatr: add unstable to your sources.list if it not there already (looks like that from your apt-cache policy paste), experimental is not really self-contained |
| 11:29.44 | jelly | Nameeatr: or try backporting vlc from experimental to pure lenny |
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| 11:31.00 | monkey_d_luffy | petemc: when I installed debian in my system the was a "setup menu" for configuring my network, that was why I though there was some "network reconfigure" way. In that case, can you recommend me a tool for switching network configs? |
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| 11:33.05 | Aboluy | gosh |
| 11:33.32 | Aboluy | jelly: is there any location where I can find a right sources.list? where I can copy/paste the exact url? |
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| 11:35.45 | Nameeatr | looks like adding unstable helped, thanks jelly/Trewas |
| 11:37.13 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy: something like switchconf or even network manager |
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| 11:39.34 | monkey_d_luffy | petemc: ok thanks, i'll take a look at them |
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| 11:43.16 | jelly | Aboluy: there should be a text file on archive.d.o showing the way to construct a deb ... line |
| 11:43.31 | Aboluy | yeah I managed to google something |
| 11:43.39 | Aboluy | seems to work :) |
| 11:44.09 | jelly | Aboluy: http://archive.debian.org/debian/README |
| 11:44.41 | Aboluy | that was the file I found on google! |
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| 11:45.16 | Aboluy | so after it's fully updated/dist-upgraded I can replace it with the etch sources.list lines and do a dist-upgrade jelly? |
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| 11:45.33 | jelly | read the release notes. |
| 11:45.34 | Aboluy | english aint my first language, sometimes ddifficult to fully understand what it says |
| 11:47.11 | Aboluy | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#s-old-upgrade - it states nothing on how to upgrade |
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| 11:48.04 | jelly | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html does |
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| 11:51.35 | kombi | what is a good webmailer as a debian package? |
| 11:52.00 | idimmu | squirrelmail |
| 11:52.10 | kombi | thanks! |
| 11:52.16 | idimmu | no problemo! |
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| 12:00.53 | AussieGuy | webalizer sure takes a long time to make a report if youve got alot of traffic |
| 12:00.56 | alcohol | good afternoon all |
| 12:01.11 | alcohol | AussieGuy: what did you expect? |
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| 12:02.34 | Agiofws | hi |
| 12:02.38 | Agiofws | is there a way i can get user1 to open a gui app on users2 GUI-x session ? |
| 12:02.39 | AussieGuy | quick report of 1 million hits? :) |
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| 12:06.15 | themill | Agiofws: only by messing with xauth cookies. For one approach, /msg dpkg sux |
| 12:06.23 | Agiofws | is there a way i can get user1 (su - user1) to open a gui app on users2 GUI-x session ? |
| 12:06.32 | enouf | AussieGuy: awstats any good for you? |
| 12:06.33 | Agiofws | themill, that ? |
| 12:06.46 | AussieGuy | hmmm....havent tried it? |
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| 12:09.37 | Agiofws | DISPLAY=:0 gqview worked themill |
| 12:10.52 | E-bola | How can i clear the partition table of a disk? Fdisk keeps saying its a GPT table and that it cant read it then |
| 12:10.59 | E-bola | i want it to be changed to a normal dos/MBR table? |
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| 12:12.54 | alsd | hi there |
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| 12:14.34 | Zor | Could I magically get some sort of "function list" (IntelliSense-like I guess?) in jpico or a similar terminal-based editor? |
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| 12:15.43 | alsd | E-bola: you can clear a DOS MBR with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=<your disk> bs=512 count=1'. as for gpt, i don't know how they work. cfdisk -Z will start with a blank partition table you can then write to disk, too |
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| 12:18.01 | achilles | hello, I have a problem I made a firewall that masquerades the internal network 172... to the servers network 192.. . it works fine and very well, but when there is some large bunch of data, like copying 4G files, it causes problem . any ideas ? |
| 12:18.35 | achilles | the message like can't read from source, but when retrying it pass |
| 12:18.48 | achilles | passes* |
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| 12:19.29 | alsd | achilles: what protocol do you use? |
| 12:19.43 | E-bola | thanks alsd, turns out parted can do it as well |
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| 12:20.46 | alsd | E-bola: parted (command line version) always has bitten me hard, i wouldn't recommend using it on disks with valuable data |
| 12:21.24 | alsd | but as usual, YMMV |
| 12:22.57 | achilles | alsd, the problem in many ones, like printing large files, copying windows shared files (smb I think) .et |
| 12:23.11 | achilles | alsd, is it because I do nat-ing ? |
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| 12:24.50 | matmo | If modules have been built into a kernel is it safe to assume that the versions used are compatible? |
| 12:25.22 | liable | matmo: what are you really trying to ask? |
| 12:25.35 | E-bola | alsd: they are still empty |
| 12:25.42 | E-bola | im just trying to setup a software raid |
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| 12:27.52 | matmo | liable: specifically how to get rid of errors due to signals such as erestart_restartblock/erestartnohand when trying to use video devices via vl4 in Debian kernel 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 12:28.20 | alsd | E-bola: well, i'd be triple checking what parted creates with other tools if I were you anyway |
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| 12:29.22 | alsd | E-bola: i've never been comfortable with partitionning, as every tool or OS seems like having a differnt understanding of how to deal with the partition table |
| 12:29.32 | alsd | E-bola: but parted is one of the worst in this respect |
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| 12:31.07 | rhalff | hi stable is etch right ? I want to install rdiff-backup which is supposed to be in etch, but it's not found when I want to install it |
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| 12:31.30 | liable | matmo: dont understand the original questions releveance in that case. but i would be ggogling the exact errors for a solution |
| 12:33.10 | rhalff | http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/rdiff-backup , that should mean apt-get install rdiff-backup should work. |
| 12:33.42 | alsd | achilles: it can be. most protocols don't take nat in mind, so they require special attention from the routers |
| 12:33.58 | liable | rhalff: you have security in your sources yes? |
| 12:34.00 | alsd | achilles: you can try to figure out what's wrong with a network sniffer |
| 12:34.19 | liable | rhalff: whats the exact error? |
| 12:34.20 | rhalff | liable: uhm, no... :) |
| 12:34.41 | liable | add it and see if that solves it |
| 12:34.45 | rhalff | liable: oh I have: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 12:35.19 | liable | ok, well paste the apt output somewhere then |
| 12:35.37 | rhalff | it's the "Package rdiff-backup is not available, but is referred to by another package." message |
| 12:35.37 | enouf | E-bola: zero out the 1st 64 sectors, if not the entire disk; install the mbr pkg, and use install-mbr command |
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| 12:37.12 | rhalff | liable: I have ever installed it manually, but then removed it, could that be a problem ? |
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| 12:38.47 | liable | rhalff: say again |
| 12:39.01 | Agiofws | themill, where do i set a users home/dir ? |
| 12:39.18 | Agiofws | .bashrc ? .bash_profile ? |
| 12:39.37 | Agiofws | or maybe even cd to a know dir while logging in ? |
| 12:39.43 | Agiofws | or maybe even cd to a known dir while logging in ? |
| 12:40.04 | rhalff | liable: the source seems to be available, so I try to build that first, although it's weird that 'apt-get source rdiff-backup' works and 'apt-get install rdiff-backup' fails. |
| 12:40.15 | Agiofws | can i change a users home dir from /home/foo to /var/www/ ? |
| 12:40.22 | enouf | ugh |
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| 12:40.36 | enouf | Agiofws: are you dealing with apache2? |
| 12:40.41 | matmo | liable: if a kernel is supplied with pre-packaged modules then it's fair to assume that someone somewhere has tested if the modules are compatible (or maybe not?). In my specific case this means that they handle all possible signals (or suppress them). If that sounds a reasonable assumption then I wonder if I am missing some vital bit of information, such as a kernel option to suppress... |
| 12:40.41 | Agiofws | yes |
| 12:40.42 | matmo | ...signals that the modules themselves *don't* handle. |
| 12:40.45 | alsd | rhalff: do you have a source for etch in your sources.list? |
| 12:41.05 | Agiofws | i have awww-data user but i dont feeling cd ing to that dir every time |
| 12:41.08 | enouf | Agiofws: then ask about that specifically, man a2enmod, enable the userhome thing |
| 12:41.19 | matmo | liable: does my viewpoint make sense? |
| 12:41.22 | Agiofws | ? |
| 12:41.25 | MacGyverNL | To perform a full recursive diff of two directories, comparing the insides of text files, is diff -r <dir1> <dir2> enough? |
| 12:41.45 | rhalff | alsd: yes for 'stable', or should I change that to 'etch', it's the same right.. |
| 12:41.52 | enouf | goes |
| 12:42.08 | liable | matmo: no :( |
| 12:42.09 | alsd | rhalff: until lenny releases these are the same yes |
| 12:42.15 | rhalff | ah ok |
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| 12:42.29 | matmo | liable: why not? |
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| 12:43.54 | BeastOfTerror | is there a way to let debian (or linux in general) mail servers/services have support for microsoft's TNEF protocol? |
| 12:44.50 | liable | matmo: your questions just dont make any sense to me. what exactly do you mean by the module handling all possible signals? you havent managed to tell me what the actual problem is. you seem to make it more difficult than it is. |
| 12:45.01 | mquin | BeastOfTerror: my understanding is that TNEF is just an encapsulation method - the mail server doesn't need to care about it |
| 12:45.25 | mquin | there is an implementation of it for unpacking at lest that can be used by MTAs and other things (such as virus scanners) |
| 12:45.29 | BeastOfTerror | any way to decrypt it then for none-Outlook mail clients? |
| 12:45.31 | alsd | rhalff: is running 'apt-get update' reporting any problem? |
| 12:45.32 | mquin | s/MTA/MUA/ |
| 12:45.58 | mquin | BeastOfTerror: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tnef/ |
| 12:46.01 | E-bola | alsd: ble it seems ur right |
| 12:46.10 | E-bola | even though parted created the partitions, they arent listed under /dev |
| 12:46.15 | E-bola | or well they are but fdisk cant open them |
| 12:46.20 | liable | matmo: dont be offended, i just dont quite understand what the problem is :) |
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| 12:46.27 | BeastOfTerror | mquin found that one already thx tho, but thats for manual or? |
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| 12:46.49 | BeastOfTerror | meh i'll have a go at it |
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| 12:47.44 | alsd | E-bola: parted is full of magic that's supposedly helping you, but sometimes gets it all wrong and crushes your partition table in the process |
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| 12:48.02 | E-bola | alsd: any idea how i can get all this right? |
| 12:48.15 | E-bola | i never had this much issues with simply partioning a drive before |
| 12:48.25 | mquin | BeastOfTerror: http://www.dread.net/~striker/tnefclean/ might be of interest as well |
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| 12:48.42 | mquin | ditto http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/#tnef if you use mutt |
| 12:48.44 | alsd | E-bola: use cfdisk or fdisk maybe |
| 12:48.55 | E-bola | alsd: actualy i created the partitions with cfdisk |
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| 12:49.03 | E-bola | after having set the partition table to msdos with parted |
| 12:49.15 | E-bola | but even after a reboot, the partitions cfdisk created still cant be opened by fdisk |
| 12:49.48 | meborc | E-bola, you used live-cd to partition? |
| 12:50.10 | E-bola | no |
| 12:50.13 | meborc | because you can't partition mounted HD |
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| 12:50.20 | E-bola | they have never been mounted |
| 12:50.24 | meborc | oh |
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| 12:50.34 | jelly | E-bola: pastebin the contents of /proc/partitions and output of "sfdisk -d /dev/yourdisk" |
| 12:50.35 | E-bola | in /dev i see sda1,sda2 etc which is my system disks awhich works fine |
| 12:50.36 | alsd | E-bola: if the kernel doesnt use any partition, you can do 'hdparm -z /dev/<your disk>' to force kernel to reread the partition table without reboot |
| 12:50.37 | meborc | ok... just thought it might be as simple as that |
| 12:50.44 | E-bola | but for my data disks i onyl see sdb,sdc,sdd etc |
| 12:51.07 | E-bola | alsd: wow that worked |
| 12:51.15 | E-bola | alsd: shouldnt it reread the table on boot??? |
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| 12:51.35 | alsd | E-bola: of course, but you can save a reboot this way |
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| 12:52.08 | E-bola | hmm sure thats neat |
| 12:52.11 | alcohol | anyone here comfortable with fstab files? |
| 12:52.16 | alcohol | or rather, the fstab file |
| 12:52.17 | E-bola | my worry was i already did reboot the box |
| 12:52.23 | E-bola | let mes ee if a reboot makes it all work |
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| 12:52.31 | Zharf | alcohol, ask your question |
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| 12:52.46 | jelly | my fstab is pointy |
| 12:52.46 | alcohol | I wanna add a smb mount |
| 12:52.58 | alcohol | but that will only work when network ifup bla bla |
| 12:52.59 | alcohol | :< |
| 12:53.14 | matmo | liable: ok, from a user perspective :-) I install debian, I want to use video devices such as dv cam,/webcam. I can control the dv cam using "dvcont" but get errors from any software trying to use /dev/video0. So I try a webcam (via a patched gspca module) and still get similar problems from sw trying to use /dev/video0. Straces in several situations show root problem is signals such... |
| 12:53.16 | matmo | ...erestart_restartblock/erestartnohand are not handled at the vl4 (or lower) level. |
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| 12:54.27 | jelly | alcohol: you can add a noauto option in fstab; also add an "mount -a" or "mount /your/mountpoint" in an up line for the correct iface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:54.49 | matmo | liable: /dev/video0 exists in case you wonder. |
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| 12:55.54 | matmo | liable: and gspca is installed when the webcam is plugged in |
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| 12:56.26 | liable | matmo: all i can think to suggest is trying a newer kernel. try googling the exact error you get and see if that helps |
| 12:56.32 | alcohol | jelly: fstab looks scary though. so many details and stuff |
| 12:56.35 | E-bola | Hmm strange |
| 12:57.05 | rhalff | alsd: I've build it with apt-get -b source rdiff-backup now, and it installed fine, dunno why the normal package wasn't available. |
| 12:57.19 | E-bola | alsd: after reboot the partition devices are not in /dev at all |
| 12:57.29 | E-bola | but if i run the cmd you sugested: hdparm -z device |
| 12:57.31 | E-bola | they all apaer |
| 12:57.36 | E-bola | what on earth can cause this? |
| 12:57.48 | jelly | alcohol: it can be as simple as //titan/Users /net/users cifs credentials=/home/jelly/.smbmountrc,rw,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,uid=1000,gid=100,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,iocharset=utf8,user,auto 0 0 |
| 12:57.55 | jelly | *cough* |
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| 12:58.02 | alcohol | yeah... |
| 12:58.33 | matmo | liable: I have googled extensively on these errors. I would like to confirm the problem before considering building a new kernel. |
| 12:58.38 | achilles | alsd, sorry for the pause, the problem is that no rhythm just by chance |
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| 12:59.53 | alsd | E-bola: hdparm -z triggers a reread, catched by udev, which will then create the /dev/ files. but why can't it be doing that at boot time? dunno |
| 12:59.58 | matmo | liable: and the problem IMHO is that the vl4 modules should never have been compiled into the kernel in the first place. If I can override their use and use a newer version then that may help confirm things. |
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| 13:00.26 | alcohol | jelly: does the /mountdir have to exist? |
| 13:00.32 | liable | matmo: if you use a debian kernel, then you can replace them with new modules |
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| 13:01.00 | liable | matmo: debian doesnt build modules in. |
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| 13:01.25 | jelly | alcohol: yes. |
| 13:02.37 | matmo | liable: if that's the case then I where would the loadable vl4 modules be located? I can't find them. |
| 13:03.01 | matmo | liable: if that's the case then where would the loadable vl4 modules be located? I can't find them. |
| 13:03.11 | jelly | v4l ? |
| 13:03.25 | liable | matmo: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name v4l |
| 13:03.40 | matmo | jelly: right, thanks for correct me |
| 13:04.05 | jelly | liable: not even find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '*v4l*' shows much |
| 13:04.22 | liable | ah, true |
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| 13:05.09 | alsd | achilles: huh what? |
| 13:05.21 | extor | Is there a kernel that can run both Xen as well as OpenVZ VMs on the same box, or is that a disaster waiting to happen? |
| 13:05.25 | jelly | it does show the directory /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/media/video though, where those hide |
| 13:05.33 | liable | but the directory has a lot of modules |
| 13:05.44 | liable | !lose me |
| 13:05.45 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 13:05.51 | jelly | !find liable |
| 13:06.27 | koollman | extor: probably a disaster |
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| 13:06.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'liable' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/abinit-doc/presentation/reliable.tex) in doc/abinit-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/rsyslog-doc/html/rsyslog_reliable_forwarding.html) in doc/rsyslog-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/libspin-java-doc/api/spin/demo/complex/UnreliableService.html) in contrib/doc/libspin-java-doc. |
| 13:06.49 | matmo | found them, duh, I must be going blind :-) |
| 13:06.50 | extor | koollman, didnt debian used to have a combo-kernel for both at one time? |
| 13:07.00 | liable | heh |
| 13:07.15 | Scheduler | !find Scheduler |
| 13:07.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Scheduler' (5 of 20): (/usr/lib/f-spot/FSpot.JobScheduler.dll) in gnome/f-spot ;; (/usr/include/KDE/KIO/Scheduler) in libdevel/kdelibs5-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libTAO_RTScheduler-1.6.3.so) in libs/libtao-1.6.3 ;; (/usr/share/blootbot/src/IRC/Schedulers.pl) in net/blootbot ;; (/usr/include/llvm/CodeGen/SchedulerRegistry.h) in devel/llvm-dev. |
| 13:07.28 | liable | !lart Scheduler |
| 13:07.28 | dpkg | teaches Scheduler that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 13:08.08 | matmo | so I can try newer v4l version but I wonder about the signal handling (or not) of the supplied modules |
| 13:08.33 | liable | matmo: one way to find out.. |
| 13:08.50 | matmo | liable: try new ones? :-) |
| 13:08.52 | liable | matmo: you might want to try the v4l mailing list |
| 13:08.58 | liable | matmo: yep :) |
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| 13:11.04 | matmo | liable: v4l mailing list, sure, but I recently came across similar signals related problem on another platform and had to start wrapping low level code myself. Would package maintainers not pick up these sort of problems at the build/test stage? |
| 13:12.14 | matmo | liable: btw, if it wasn't for the problem on that other platform I would still be trying to figure out various errors such as "invalid device-link error" |
| 13:12.42 | liable | matmo: depends on how unusual the case is i guess. dont forget that you are using a very old kernel now. things are likely to have improved a bit since 2,6,18 was released |
| 13:13.29 | alsd | matmo: signals are only used as a kernel/user process interface, not between kernel and module! |
| 13:13.45 | alsd | don't know if that makes any difference anyway |
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| 13:14.19 | matmo | liable: I could accept that argument if I chose the kernel version and not the the debian installer itself |
| 13:15.12 | liable | matmo: *nod* stable debian does have compromises. thats why etchnhalf was made |
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| 13:15.20 | liable | !etchnhalf |
| 13:15.20 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 13:16.49 | matmo | alsd: strace's definitely show erestart_restartblock/erestartnohand signals are causing errors (wrong ones) to be reported from, eg, gspca.ko |
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| 13:18.01 | matmo | liable: btw the other platform I came across similar problems was Maemo with a 2.6.21-omap1 kernel. |
| 13:18.38 | liable | matmo: then i really suggest you mail the v4l list |
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| 13:19.15 | matmo | liable: except it wasn't a v4l problem there but ALSA/DSP libs :-) |
| 13:20.19 | matmo | dpkg: interesting. I downloaded the netinstaller only last week |
| 13:20.19 | dpkg | matmo: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 13:20.40 | liable | matmo: dpkg is a bot |
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| 13:20.54 | matmo | liable: :-) |
| 13:21.29 | matmo | looks like a p*ss-taking bot at that |
| 13:21.33 | matmo | :-) |
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| 13:22.01 | liable | well, if you talk to it like its not a bot, it is :P |
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| 13:23.04 | matmo | as an infrequent irc user how am I suppose to know a bot from human? |
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| 13:23.28 | jelly | matmo: liable the bot is going to tell you when you make a mistake |
| 13:23.29 | liable | i didnt say you were. thats why i told you |
| 13:23.39 | liable | !beat jelly |
| 13:23.39 | dpkg | beats jelly with a large stick. |
| 13:23.54 | jelly | how large? 16GB? |
| 13:24.07 | liable | 8" floppy |
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| 13:25.53 | matmo | Does netinstall allow kernel selection? |
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| 13:26.45 | liable | matmo: if you want a newer kernel on etch, you have to enable etchnhalf repo .. see http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 13:27.35 | matmo | liable: ok, I give it a go later |
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| 13:27.57 | matmo | but first I will try it on my vmware test rig |
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| 13:36.45 | olo | hi , can somebody tell me how to get my lexmark x1250 to work in debian testing (kde) ? |
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| 13:59.23 | matmo | liable: which repo exactly? I have trawled the wiki/inst-notes but don't see which repo I need to add. For my kernel is a fresh install required or can I update via synaptic? |
| 13:59.36 | amitz | How to have a standby gdm in ctrl+alt+f8 waiting for another user? I believe I need to add an entry to gdm.conf. But what kind of entry for debian lenny? What's the correct term to google? |
| 13:59.56 | abrotman | "second X session gdm" |
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| 14:00.02 | abrotman | should get you close enough |
| 14:00.33 | amitz | abrotman: thx |
| 14:00.34 | jelly | !fast user switching |
| 14:00.40 | jelly | meh! |
| 14:00.44 | abrotman | googles 'thx' |
| 14:00.45 | jelly | !fast user twitching |
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| 14:01.04 | amitz | :-) |
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| 14:01.23 | abrotman | jelly: fat user itching? |
| 14:01.29 | amitz | jelly: without that fast-user-switch-applet of course |
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| 14:01.53 | jelly | amitz: cheat! |
| 14:02.46 | amitz | jelly: :-P |
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| 14:03.45 | GhostOfSparta | hat does the symbol - on shell? |
| 14:03.57 | abrotman | STDIN |
| 14:03.59 | petemc | stdin |
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| 14:04.37 | GhostOfSparta | a example |
| 14:04.41 | GhostOfSparta | for example? |
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| 14:04.47 | petemc | vim - |
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| 14:06.12 | alsd | amitz: you need to add a second server in the gdm conf : either by hand or through the gdm graphical config thingy |
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| 14:07.19 | themill | isn't that enabled by default? (it is in kdm) |
| 14:07.47 | jelly | GhostOfSparta: where do you see a -? |
| 14:07.47 | GhostOfSparta | shell scripts |
| 14:07.55 | themill | judd info fast-user-switch-applet |
| 14:07.55 | judd | themill: fast-user-switch-applet (gnome): is optional; Version: 2.14.2-1; Size: 383.5k; Installed: 1760k -- Applet for the GNOME panel providing a menu to switch between users |
| 14:08.11 | enouf | gdmsetup? |
| 14:09.00 | amitz | alsd: currently reading /usr/share/gdm/default.conf . The GUI in gdm setting has some terms I don't understand yet. |
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| 14:09.01 | enouf | wanders off ..again.. |
| 14:09.47 | GhostOfSparta | jelly: some shell scripts using | and - |
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| 14:11.03 | monkey_d_luffy | I've plugged the ethernet cable on my laptop and turned it on but knetworkmanager says "no active device". And I have my ip and gateway configured. (i'm using my desktop as gateway, which works fine with another serving another desktop pc) |
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| 14:11.18 | monkey_d_luffy | anyway to "wake" eth0 ? |
| 14:11.36 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy: do you see link active messages in dmesg? |
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| 14:11.48 | jelly | GhostOfSparta: then it's mostly likely what people said above |
| 14:11.57 | alsd | amitz: i don't have a gdm at hand here, but my guess you'd like to tweak /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (from memory), in the '[Server]' section or the like, there's one already for vt7, just copy and paste changing vt7 to vt8. but then again that's from memory |
| 14:12.19 | jelly | GhostOfSparta: either stdin or stdout, depending on context; used in place of an input (or output) file |
| 14:12.35 | Rusty1 | Hello all, does a package create /dev/fuse or do I need to create it and set perms meself? |
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| 14:13.00 | jelly | Rusty1: just modprobe fuse |
| 14:13.09 | Rusty1 | jelly: ty |
| 14:13.12 | monkey_d_luffy | petemc: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 14:13.30 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy: so it hasnt negotiated a link |
| 14:14.12 | monkey_d_luffy | petemc: how do I make it negotiate a link? I have a fixed IP and gateway set. |
| 14:14.27 | monkey_d_luffy | it's strange because the other desktop i have works fine :-/ |
| 14:14.46 | monkey_d_luffy | is eth0 powered off? |
| 14:14.49 | Eulex | monkey_d_luffy, is the cable properly connected? |
| 14:14.53 | petemc | monkey_d_luffy: that should happen automagically when you plug a cable in |
| 14:15.06 | amitz | alsd: hmm I can't find any reference to vt7 in [servers*] section. |
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| 14:16.27 | monkey_d_luffy | Eulex and petemc: i believe so (although the cable has some troubles getting in) FYI, I already had net in this laptop before... but OTHO this problem does tend to show up |
| 14:16.56 | Rusty1 | jelly: still no /dev/fuse - i need to manually create etc so i can get sshfs to work ? |
| 14:17.12 | jelly | Rusty1: uname -r? |
| 14:17.28 | jelly | Rusty1: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:17.32 | Eulex | monkey_d_luffy, is the link LED active on both ends? |
| 14:17.35 | Rusty1 | 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 14:17.35 | Rusty1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.44 | jelly | Rusty1: is udev installed and running? |
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| 14:18.05 | Eulex | Rusty1, lsmod|grep fuse |
| 14:18.05 | amitz | alsd: hmm there is a reference to a VT=0 Server=Standard Device=/dev/console Command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -audit 0 . Should I create another entry like that but with VT=1? |
| 14:18.19 | Rusty1 | jelly yup |
| 14:18.33 | Rusty1 | Eulex: it's there |
| 14:18.39 | jelly | Rusty1: 's weird |
| 14:18.51 | Eulex | Rusty1, inspect dmesg|tail |
| 14:18.54 | alsd | amitz: might be, yes |
| 14:19.45 | matmo | anyone, can I "upgrade" 2.6.18-6-486 to etchnhalf (if so which repo?) or do I need a fresh install? More importantly will etchnhalf still work on a PII MMX? |
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| 14:20.16 | Rusty1 | Eulex: nothing |
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| 14:20.39 | thrope | hi - got some corruption on a server, md raid mirrors: md10: rw=1, want=905857080, limit=905856896, attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 14:21.11 | Eulex | matmo, yes and yes. just install etchnhalf stuff, apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 14:21.14 | thrope | also: http://pastebin.com/m1e0ef910 |
| 14:21.22 | thrope | wondered if anyone had any idea? |
| 14:21.25 | Eulex | RusBoy, dmesg|grep -i fuse? |
| 14:21.31 | monkey_d_luffy | Eulex, petemc: I unplugged and plugged the cable on the laptop and it's now working (even though I already had tried it 2 times). knetworkmanager still says "no active device", but that's its bug. dmesg now says "link is up". Is there any way for this to be powersaving related, like the laptop not turning the device on? |
| 14:21.35 | alsd | matmo: should work with at least a 486. i've been told there's a page dedicated to etchnhalf on the debian wiki |
| 14:21.36 | thrope | is it likely corrupt superblock/hardware failure? |
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| 14:22.20 | Rusty1 | Eulex: returns [ 28.936679] fuse init (API version 7.9) |
| 14:23.02 | Eulex | Rusty1, so the module was loaded at boot. or well, 28.9s after starting the boot. |
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| 14:23.54 | amitz | alsd: it works, thx |
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| 14:24.21 | Absolute0 | How do i list all the files that were installed with apt-get? |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | for one package? |
| 14:24.38 | amitz | Absolute0: apt-file |
| 14:25.24 | matmo | Eulex: apt/aptitude newby here. I ran the search and it listed a load of packages. How to tell apt/aptitude to install? |
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| 14:27.19 | Eulex | matmo, aptitude install packagename. |
| 14:27.39 | matmo | Eulex: individually? |
| 14:27.53 | Eulex | you can give it several packagenames and it will install all of them |
| 14:28.04 | matmo | so I pipe em |
| 14:28.08 | Eulex | no |
| 14:28.13 | jelly | Rusty1: dpkg -l sshfs fuse-utils|tail -2 |
| 14:28.15 | Eulex | you give them as arguments |
| 14:28.16 | matmo | oh? |
| 14:28.20 | Eulex | both apt-get and aptitude can install, aptitude is generally preferred |
| 14:28.45 | matmo | aptitude search etchnhalf | aptitude install ? |
| 14:28.52 | Eulex | both apt-get and aptitude can also search, for simpler searches it doesn't make any difference which you use |
| 14:29.30 | jelly | matmo: more like aptitude search etchnhalf|less, then pick off packages manually |
| 14:29.39 | Rusty1 | jelly: both ii 2.7.4-1.1 and 2.1-1 |
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| 14:30.41 | Eulex | matmo, that won't work. firstly, you do not want to install all etchnhalf packages. also, the output from aptitude search does not only contain package names, but also short descriptions. but most important of all, aptitude/apt-get install doesn't get packages to install from stdin, it gets them as arguments. |
| 14:31.09 | Eulex | matmo, just install the appropriate linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf package, that is all you need to do to upgrade your kernel to an etchnhalf one. |
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| 14:32.44 | amitz | does apt-file update takes a very looong time to run? I have been waiting for probably 5 minutes |
| 14:32.53 | petemc | it can do |
| 14:32.56 | Eulex | amitz, it takes a long time to run, yes. |
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| 14:33.19 | Absolute0 | I remove /var/lib/bitlbee dir to get rid off my accounts, but then apt-get remove bitlbee && apt-get install bitlbee fails |
| 14:33.47 | liable | amitz: is it actually showing that its downloading stuff? |
| 14:33.51 | Absolute0 | http://rafb.net/p/AnItCC73.html |
| 14:33.57 | Absolute0 | ^^ apt-get logs |
| 14:34.03 | amitz | liable: no... |
| 14:34.04 | Eulex | Absolute0, uh, what, you're saying that accounts are stored in there? |
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| 14:34.20 | Absolute0 | Eulex: yeah |
| 14:34.27 | liable | amitz: then something is wrong |
| 14:34.39 | Absolute0 | Eulex: anyway I can force configure? |
| 14:34.52 | liable | oh, apt-file |
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| 14:35.02 | liable | amitz: yes, thats actually quite normal |
| 14:35.04 | matmo | Eulex: dumb question: but I will still need to update modules? My original problem is about v4l modules |
| 14:35.21 | Eulex | Absolute0, you could try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 14:35.27 | Eulex | matmo, did you build them yourself? |
| 14:35.34 | ringo999 | hi, anybody using linksys wrt54gl router? which firmware are you using and why? |
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| 14:35.57 | matmo | Eulex: no, they came with 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 14:36.00 | Absolute0 | Eulex: BitlBee (probably) already installed, skipping user/configdir installation |
| 14:36.03 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 14:36.23 | Eulex | matmo, 2.6.24 will supply corresponding modules then. |
| 14:36.35 | matmo | Eulex: ok, thanks |
| 14:36.42 | Eulex | Absolute0, what output does apt-get remove bitlbee give? |
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| 14:37.18 | amitz | liable: hmm okay then.. but I do notice that the link seems to be downloading a lot of stuff now, probably sinchronizing. I'm just hoping that apt-file works while layered with apt-cacher-ng.. |
| 14:37.22 | Absolute0 | Eulex: http://rafb.net/p/Ly85O731.html |
| 14:38.03 | Eulex | Absolute0, so, that worked? |
| 14:38.13 | Absolute0 | Eulex: but then installing again fails |
| 14:38.22 | Absolute0 | it doesn't fail, the daemon just wont start. |
| 14:38.30 | Eulex | Absolute0, try purging it. |
| 14:38.37 | Eulex | !purge |
| 14:38.37 | dpkg | somebody said purge was to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 14:40.02 | amitz | I should have run it with -verbose option. I just hope it won't enter an endless loop while downloading and consuming my bandwidth quota.. |
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| 14:41.57 | jelly | Rusty1: there seems to be an issue with your udev in that it's not creating /dev/fuse; I guess you could cd /dev; mknod fuse c 10 229 && chown root:fuse fuse |
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| 15:01.40 | mgrant_ | Is there an apt command that will tell me what package depends on a particular package? The reason I ask is that I have 2 machines, one with udev, one without, and I want to know why udev was installed (what dependency caused it to be installed). |
| 15:02.12 | koeien | somebody showed me 'aptitude why' yesterday |
| 15:02.18 | dkr | mgrant_: I just use aptitude and scroll down to the part that lists the packages that depend on it |
| 15:02.29 | stew | mgrant_: aptitude searach '~i~Rpackagename' |
| 15:02.37 | mgrant_ | thank you! |
| 15:02.38 | aterra | I'm trying to get NFS sharing working between 2 debian hosts, it kind of works except from the fact that I can only delete files as root on the client, I'm using the all_squash option to force all request to originate from the same user, I can easily change files, just not rename or delete them, any suggestions? |
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| 15:02.58 | rvsjoen | aterra : permissions on the folder ? |
| 15:03.42 | aterra | on the folder I'm mounting within or the nfs folder? |
| 15:03.55 | aterra | on the folder I'm mounting within or the nfs share? |
| 15:03.59 | rvsjoen | the folder you are sharing (on the server side) |
| 15:04.14 | dkr | aterra: the exported one, should be writable by user you are squashing them all to |
| 15:04.17 | stew | mgrant_: if you have a machine without udev, you must either be using a custom kernel, a very old kernel, or yaird (which is not really recommended) |
| 15:04.51 | aterra | the folder is set to drwsrwsrwt |
| 15:05.13 | aterra | the exported folder that is |
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| 15:05.40 | mgrant_ | aterra, is your file system exported so that root can mess with things? I believe this is known as root squashing on debian. |
| 15:05.47 | amitz | apt-file update output is "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz" after waiting more than 10 minutes. No record in syslog/dmesg. No log named apt-file. Any idea? |
| 15:05.49 | cepal67 | hello folks |
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| 15:06.14 | aterra | the weird thing is that when I'm root on the client I am allowed to delete, but not otherwise I though squashing should make this not matter |
| 15:06.42 | mgrant_ | stew, I thought the two installs should have been the same, this is why I'm trying to understand why they turned out different with respect to udev. They both started from dbootstrap. |
| 15:06.49 | aterra | I'm using the following export options (rw,sync,subtree_check,all_squash,anonuid=20000,anongid=20000) |
| 15:07.07 | cepal67 | sorry I have real troubles to google out one thing so hope to find a quick hint here: I need to make my DHCP client to register my FQDN with the AD. I googled out some troubles with that but I heart people with Gentoo having success... |
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| 15:08.36 | mgrant_ | aterra, 'man 5 exports', It looks to me that you don't want all_squash because that maps root to anonymous. |
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| 15:10.13 | aterra | mgrant_ > as I understand it, when using all_squash, all users including root is mapped to the user specified by anonuid,anongid which is why I don't understand why it makes a difference whether I'm using root or a normal user on the client |
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| 15:10.27 | Tuxist | i have a question |
| 15:10.49 | Tuxist | has the default slapd package in lenny sasl support ? |
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| 15:12.20 | abrotman | Tuxist: look at the depends for the package |
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| 15:13.12 | abrotman | Tuxist: aptitude show slapd .. see the Depends and Recommends |
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| 15:18.01 | thasp | is there a way I can disable the driver that debian loads for my Atheros AR5005G wifi card ? |
| 15:18.36 | thasp | ath5k I believe. It doesn't work. madwifi used to work, after I installed it. I didn't bother since debian saw the card, but I don't see the card actually doing anything. |
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| 15:19.25 | Tuxist | ok |
| 15:19.35 | Tuxist | it have support |
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| 15:20.08 | abrotman | thasp: you can blacklist a driver, but wouldn't you rather fix it? |
| 15:20.25 | Tuxist | thats my problem with ldapadd http://paste.debian.net/26945/ |
| 15:20.33 | thasp | I'd like to install the one I know works so I can move on to the rest of the system. |
| 15:20.38 | thasp | Although I'd settle for fixing this one. |
| 15:20.45 | Tuxist | auth with kadmin have no problem |
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| 15:22.20 | Tuxist | kadmin at console http://paste.debian.net/26946/ |
| 15:22.46 | Tuxist | i think its a problem with sasl |
| 15:22.55 | thasp | abrotman, I'm not even sure this is the proper driver. the ath5k wiki doesn't list the AR5005G. MadWifi's wiki's compatibility section does. I would venture to guess this has something to do with the card not doing anything. |
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| 15:23.11 | abrotman | thasp: you could ask #madwifi which driver is correct |
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| 15:27.05 | thasp | abrotman, would putting blacklist ath5k in /etc/modprobe.d/ do it? |
| 15:27.14 | abrotman | !tell thasp about blacklist |
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| 15:27.41 | thasp | what a nice bot |
| 15:27.45 | thasp | thanks abrotman |
| 15:27.48 | Haji_2 | ^^ |
| 15:27.57 | abrotman | i'm not a bot |
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| 15:29.06 | thasp | then dpkg isn't human? :< |
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| 15:30.10 | dkr | !bot |
| 15:30.22 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 15:30.22 | thasp | I love you dpkg |
| 15:30.38 | Haji_2 | someone here who upgraded x in order to get the new intel gfx driver to work? |
| 15:31.33 | naitram | after I have setup a system, and installed all the software I want. Are all the deb packages stored on my machine? Can I use this to provide an offline alternative to the net installs. IE.. create a mirror on my local network |
| 15:32.01 | Daviey | !apt-cacher |
| 15:32.01 | dpkg | from memory, apt-cacher is a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/, or a nifty tool, or see <apt-proxy> |
| 15:32.06 | cepal67 | sorry to repeat (by other words) my question: anyone has an experience of propagating machine's FQDN via DHCP client to an Active Directory? pppppplease :-) |
| 15:32.14 | Daviey | naitram: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:33.33 | [SkG] | anyone can explain me the /etc/apt/preference priority system? I want to have my system as testing/lenny but want some packages from unestable/sid that lenny dont have |
| 15:33.44 | [SkG] | what must be the priority for the sources? |
| 15:33.56 | Hydroxide | [SkG]: it's explained in the apt_preferences man page. (warning, it's complicated) |
| 15:34.02 | [SkG] | yes |
| 15:34.12 | [SkG] | i was reading it for 2 hours |
| 15:34.15 | [SkG] | and didnt result |
| 15:34.17 | stew | [SkG]: "/msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix" note that once lenny is released, sid and lenny will diverge quickly and you should not mix stable and unstable |
| 15:34.42 | [SkG] | I have sources as testing and unestable not lenny and sid |
| 15:34.45 | thasp | abrotman, not to push my luck, but does creating the blacklist entry stop ath5k immediately or is there something I should do after? |
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| 15:35.01 | Hydroxide | [SkG]: there will still be some diverging there, too |
| 15:35.18 | Hydroxide | [SkG]: since after lenny is released, a new C library (libc6) will be loaded to unstable |
| 15:35.22 | Haji_2 | thasp, sudo rmmod ath5k perhaps |
| 15:35.26 | stew | [SkG]: then 'quick lenny/sid mix' should be fine |
| 15:35.34 | Hydroxide | [SkG]: and it'll take a while for that to get into testing, which will block a lot of other stuff for a while |
| 15:35.36 | [SkG] | i only want flashplugin |
| 15:35.50 | [SkG] | lets see stew |
| 15:35.55 | thasp | thank you Haji_2 |
| 15:36.04 | [SkG] | ty stew & Hydroxide |
| 15:36.06 | stew | [SkG]: you could also just download it from http://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 15:36.33 | [SkG] | i did that but if it gets updated i must update manually |
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| 15:39.07 | [SkG] | synaptic ignore APT::Default-Release, but ignores priority? |
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| 15:40.01 | cepal67 | really no one with experience of the DNS propagation? Or you're just ignoring newcommers? |
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| 15:40.59 | halflife08 | cepal67: ask in #linux |
| 15:41.18 | Hydroxide | cepal67: nobody's ignoring newcomers. can you rephrase your question in a way that makes it clear what it has to do with Debian? (Active Directory is a microsoft product for windows) |
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| 15:42.22 | naitram | does /var/cache/apt/archives contain all the deb packages necessary to duplicate an install of a machine |
| 15:42.46 | thasp | interesting, madwifi fails to compile because wireless extensions aren't enabled in the kernel |
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| 15:42.52 | Fujisan | thrope |
| 15:43.11 | Fujisan | how do i get the fairytale? |
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| 15:43.14 | cepal67 | Hydroxide: thanks for response...yes, I know what AD is... I have a debian desktop in a network where it gets it's IP by DHCP, as usual, but then, as it's an Active Directory-driven, the WIndows workstations send to the server their hostnames, so that they get dynamically registered in DNS ... doesn't work for me, my IP is not resolvable |
| 15:43.26 | Fujisan | can someone help me get the fairytale please |
| 15:43.56 | cepal67 | I googled some problems with getting a hostname registered via DHCP for Linux in MS environment but also a colleague of mine having gentoo was successful in that... |
| 15:43.59 | sepski | cepal67, put in a dhcp reservation for the mac of the linux. and assign static dns forward and revers |
| 15:44.09 | Fujisan | !fairytale |
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| 15:44.30 | simonrvn | Fujisan: what are you talking about? |
| 15:44.55 | cepal67 | I have my IP preserved, but not the hostname, I am not administering the AD (it's a big corporate environment) and the admins just told me it is possible to set it up even in Linux so they would not reserve the DNS record for me... |
| 15:45.01 | ioudas | http://pastebin.com/m5c189659 if anyone can help me with this id love you forever. |
| 15:45.01 | Hydroxide | cepal67: sepski's response is certainly a nice solution. what you want to do is to do dynamic dns update from debian ... try google searches with 'dynamic dns update debian active directory' (without quotes). I can't help you directly since I've never done that task. |
| 15:45.29 | [SkG] | fuck, i'm geting crazy with priority system >.< |
| 15:46.05 | Fujisan | [SkG] fairytale please |
| 15:46.11 | Fujisan | the debian land fairytale |
| 15:46.20 | stew | Fujisan: do you have a debian related question? |
| 15:46.21 | stoned | hello and good morning |
| 15:46.34 | Fujisan | stew yes i want to read the fairytale |
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| 15:46.40 | Fujisan | thats all i want |
| 15:46.42 | stoned | Fujisan, /msg dpkg fable |
| 15:46.46 | Fujisan | ty |
| 15:46.48 | Fujisan | stoned |
| 15:46.49 | stoned | Fujisan, have fun |
| 15:46.53 | Fujisan | :) |
| 15:47.10 | stoned | Fujisan, it is advisable to keep it on topic of debian support. lest you be removed or quieted |
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| 15:47.50 | Fujisan | i will leave now thanks |
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| 15:48.33 | Athunye | It is OK to put a little script (iptables and share connection) in /etc/init.d/my_script and run update-rc.d my_script default ? |
| 15:49.09 | cepal67 | Hydroxide: thanks anyway :-D |
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| 15:50.01 | naitram | does /var/cache/apt/archives contain all the deb packages necessary to duplicate an install of a machine if I have never cleaned the cache? I need to be able to duplicate offline |
| 15:50.22 | sepski | cepal67, read draft-ietf-dnsext-gss-tsig-02, RFC2845 and RFC2930 you can do a update with perl's NET::Dns it need to be signed if it's a secure zone |
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| 15:53.17 | Hydroxide | Athunye: no reason why not. it's your system :) |
| 15:53.37 | Hydroxide | sepski: there's probably a howto online that cepal67 which wouldn't involve him writing new perl code |
| 15:54.08 | rhodescus | Athunye: you'd probably want to put interface specific configurations in the /etc/network structure |
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| 15:54.57 | rhodescus | Athunye: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:55.06 | stoned | Hydroxide, howdy |
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| 15:55.57 | Hydroxide | stoned: hi |
| 15:56.02 | sepski | cepal67, there is even a nsupdate tool in the dnsutils package |
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| 15:56.39 | Athunye | I have the /etc/network/interfaces configuring the each ethernet card, and a script that enables ip_forwarding and run firewall/iptables rules, all in one file. Is that not correct ? |
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| 15:57.23 | rhodescus | Athunye: I run my firewall script from the interfaces file, with a 'pre-up' line in the eth0 configuration |
| 15:57.31 | stew | Athunye: ip_forwarding could be set in /etc/sysctl.conf but, what you are doing sounds fine |
| 15:57.56 | rhodescus | Athunye: I also have a single script that enables the firewall. |
| 15:58.29 | Athunye | rhodescus: Could you please paste relevant part of the interfaces file ? |
| 15:59.45 | Athunye | stew: So, I'm not forced to use /proc/sys/net/ipv*/thing ? |
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| 16:01.19 | rhodescus | Athunye: http://paste.debian.net/26949/ |
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| 16:01.33 | Athunye | rhodescus: Thank you very much. :) |
| 16:01.42 | rhodescus | Athunye: you're welcome |
| 16:01.46 | Athunye | :) |
| 16:02.26 | rhodescus | Athunye: the full documentation for the interfaces files is in `man 5 interfaces` |
| 16:02.54 | Athunye | OK. I'm going to read it. I just know the very basics yet. |
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| 16:04.31 | sveajobb | Hi, I'm trying to install debian on my newly bought server, but I run into a couple of problems - can't find the cdrom. I'm thinking the IDE Interface is not recognized (lspci looks like I have alot of unknown intel peripherals) |
| 16:05.15 | sveajobb | Does anyone know of a debian version which includes perhaps a later kernel than 2.6.18-6-amd64 ? |
| 16:05.44 | monkey_d_luffy | sveajobb: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ ;) |
| 16:05.49 | ktwilight | sveajobb, backports |
| 16:05.58 | monkey_d_luffy | i had the problem with my laptop |
| 16:06.48 | sveajobb | monkey_d_luffy, thanks alot ! looking through the files now it doesn't looks like there is an netinst-version ? |
| 16:06.57 | sveajobb | aah. I'll just burn the whole cd then :) |
| 16:07.11 | ktwilight | sveajobb, get lenny. it's pretty stable |
| 16:07.11 | rhodescus | Athunye: if you want to know where the interfaces are assigned names, it is /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 16:07.58 | Athunye | rhodescus: Yes. I was asking about the iftab file, wich is not more necessary, and I was pointed to that file. :) |
| 16:08.38 | rhodescus | Athunye: :) |
| 16:08.42 | monkey_d_luffy | sveajobb: yeah, considering you are going with a server, maybe you better try lenny first as ktwilight suggested |
| 16:09.17 | sveajobb | monkey_d_luffy, ktwilight thanks for that tip aswell I'll check it out |
| 16:09.45 | monkey_d_luffy | i'm running testing-unstable-experimental hybrid system... but it's my desktop and laptop.... so.... |
| 16:09.51 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 16:09.52 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 16:10.04 | cepal67 | sepski: thnx for hints, will give it try |
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| 16:10.26 | fooblar | what software can i use to determine the health status of Adaptec AAC-RAID (rev 09) (which is a 2200s)? |
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| 16:11.52 | FilipeMaia | What timestamp do makefiles use? mtime? |
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| 16:12.41 | akina | Hi! is there an application in linux that can record video from webcams in other machine then save it on the machine that i'm using? |
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| 16:13.30 | snakeoil | where is the right place to set up a static host route in debian ? |
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| 16:15.19 | sepski | fooblar, dont know. but raid cards often have status in proc entries. |
| 16:15.32 | Athunye | snakeoil: I'm not sure but I think it is in the /etc/network/interfaces file, with the entry: gateway x.x.x.x |
| 16:15.54 | sepski | fooblar, http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 16:16.56 | sepski | snakeoil, if you want other routes then default i often tend to use a up route add .. .. .. on the relevant stanca in the interfaces file. |
| 16:17.30 | arcsky | Ist hard to make a .deb file? |
| 16:17.46 | fooblar | sepski, thanks, seems i need some closed source crap |
| 16:18.02 | fooblar | which i can't download unless i get a serial number |
| 16:18.10 | fooblar | from a card which is a running system |
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| 16:18.39 | sepski | fooblar, figures :s |
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| 16:24.52 | vyrus001 | anybody know how to install flash10 64 bit on linux? |
| 16:24.54 | sveajobb | monkey_d_luffy, ktwilight Lenny worked as a charm, installing now :) |
| 16:25.26 | monkey_d_luffy | nice :) |
| 16:25.33 | ktwilight | :) |
| 16:25.34 | monkey_d_luffy | vyrus001: it's in the repos |
| 16:25.46 | ktwilight | debian-multimedia.org? |
| 16:26.11 | monkey_d_luffy | mmh... maybe that's it... i also have it on my source.list |
| 16:26.28 | ktwilight | i don't think debian official has it. |
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| 16:29.45 | jamesstanley | Anyone know how to make ctrl-alt-f1 switch to vt1? |
| 16:29.54 | jamesstanley | it works fine from a text terminal, but it doesn't work in x |
| 16:29.56 | vyrus001 | i have the libflashplayer i just need to know where to put it |
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| 16:30.05 | jamesstanley | I'm using the radeonhd driver, but it doesn't work in fglrx either |
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| 16:37.57 | Athunye | Is there a way to wrap lines in fstab with something like \ ? |
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| 16:38.21 | Athunye | I have some very large lines... |
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| 16:43.15 | abrotman | Athunye: use an editor that wraps the line? |
| 16:45.43 | Athunye | abrotman: Cannot jsut wrap the lines, because that way fstab file will fail. I wonder whether there is some special character for that role or not. |
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| 16:45.56 | abrotman | no, use an editor that shows them as wrapped |
| 16:46.37 | Athunye | Hmm. I guess Vim can do that... I'll investigate this matter... |
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| 16:46.43 | praavDa | hello |
| 16:46.51 | Athunye | praavDa: Hello. |
| 16:47.48 | praavDa | guys, I have messed with my xorg.conf and linux hangs after starting x. Is there a way (I dunno, key shortcut combination or sth like that) not to start X after booting? |
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| 16:48.14 | Athunye | praavDa: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:48.39 | Athunye | Or update-rc.d -f gdm remove. |
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| 16:49.06 | praavDa | Ath, I know that one, but I can't even do anything when pc boots up. I see the standart messages, and when x starts, it hungs up. And I cannot bypass X autostart |
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| 16:49.49 | Athunye | praavDa: And what about Ctrl+Alt F2 ? (To go to tty2) |
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| 16:50.53 | praavDa | don't works - after x all pc is hanged up. No terminal switching, no ctrl+alt+backspace etc. I am looking a way not to start X ... Yeah I know, I fcked with xorg.conf.. |
| 16:50.53 | Khmar | Hello everyone. Are there any options I can pass to apt-get on the command line which will suppress all post installation queries (eg. the root user password for mysql-server). I need this since I'm automating a setup and can't have it block waiting for input from the user. |
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| 16:51.08 | Athunye | praavDa: You could also boot with a cd and chroot into your system. |
| 16:51.20 | \amethys1 | praavDa: here's one way... If you're using grub to boot, get to the kernel command line and add 'single' to the end; that will boot you into single-user mode. Then edit /etc/default-display-manager and comment out the line (or otherwise modify it so it doesn't match the name of an executable) |
| 16:51.30 | praavDa | hmmm....didn't thought about that one |
| 16:51.42 | \amethys1 | praavDa: once you've made the change, init 2 will take you to single-user mode |
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| 16:51.43 | praavDa | tY Guys |
| 16:51.53 | \amethys1 | err, init 2 will take you to multi-user mode |
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| 16:52.01 | praavDa | :) |
| 16:52.19 | \amethys1 | praavDa: and that's /etc/X11/default-display-manager . Sorry for my typos |
| 16:52.25 | praavDa | this channel always brings me solution for my problems..it is better than my wife:) |
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| 16:52.45 | praavDa | np, amth, tY Ath, going to try it |
| 16:53.10 | \amethys1 | praavDa: another thing that might be worth checking is whether you can ssh in while it's locked up |
| 16:53.14 | \amethys1 | doh |
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| 16:55.27 | Khmar | Are there any options I can pass to apt-get on the command line which will suppress all post installation queries (eg. the root user password for mysql-server). I need this since I'm automating a setup and can't have it block waiting for input from the user. Anyone? |
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| 16:57.30 | petemc | Khmar: /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 16:57.53 | abrotman | does preseed work after installation? (never tried) |
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| 17:01.51 | Serge3 | 4.0r6 still do not support some new hardware that other distrubtion supports.. |
| 17:01.53 | Ego86 | hi all |
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| 17:02.35 | Ego86 | i want same screenlet as in this picture: http://www.linuxbox.co.nz/goblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/folderview-comments.png |
| 17:02.38 | Ego86 | but for gnome |
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| 17:02.49 | Ego86 | does it exist or no? |
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| 17:06.33 | gfather | anyone good with scripts who can help ? |
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| 17:07.38 | theholyduck | gfather, #bash? |
| 17:07.41 | theholyduck | google? |
| 17:07.59 | newsense | gfather, bash script ? if so #bash is really helpful |
| 17:08.39 | gfather | oks , and its something easy , if anyone wanted to help |
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| 17:09.44 | newsense | !ask |
| 17:09.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:10.44 | rwaite | does lenny come with network-manager? |
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| 17:11.00 | theholyduck | rwaite, if you pick gnome. i THINK it does |
| 17:11.00 | abrotman | it's available to install |
| 17:11.07 | theholyduck | but yeah you can install it |
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| 17:11.57 | rwaite | cool. that's just about the only reason i was using ubuntu, because otherwise wifi is a b to work with |
| 17:12.45 | gfather | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.58 | gfather | and it partition the sd card , could someone change it to formate the sd into 4 partition ? |
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| 17:13.47 | theholyduck | rwaite, meh |
| 17:13.54 | theholyduck | wpa_supplicant is easy enough |
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| 17:14.17 | theholyduck | doesnt wanna use the reduntant horribleness that is dbus, hal, and simlar :P |
| 17:14.31 | theholyduck | using networkmanager seems like im validating them |
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| 17:14.43 | rwaite | hmm. i never heard of that |
| 17:14.45 | newsense | i like wpasupplicant |
| 17:14.59 | theholyduck | rwaite, you create a text file with the wpa key and what not |
| 17:15.05 | theholyduck | then run 1 command to connect .p |
| 17:15.18 | rwaite | that sounds pretty nifty, i like to use openbox too. |
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| 17:15.23 | theholyduck | the nice thing about that is that you can create your own scripts for various networks |
| 17:15.24 | theholyduck | etc |
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| 17:15.39 | theholyduck | soo i just do wif work |
| 17:15.48 | theholyduck | and my script loads the work configs. |
| 17:15.51 | theholyduck | and connects :) |
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| 17:16.28 | theholyduck | sure its more work INITIALLY than network manager. but it has the advantage of being portbale to all my computers. and working from the commandline |
| 17:16.58 | rwaite | that is kinda cool, because i used to use wvdial for my dialup and that was how i liked it |
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| 17:17.15 | rwaite | lols about dialup |
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| 17:17.58 | theholyduck | rwaite, well take a look at wpa_supplicant |
| 17:18.00 | theholyduck | and iwlist |
| 17:18.10 | rwaite | i think i will |
| 17:18.12 | theholyduck | thats all you really need to do for wpa networking |
| 17:18.22 | theholyduck | and iwlist and iwconfig for wep |
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| 17:24.03 | axisr9 | if i have two files ONE.TXT and TWO.TXT -- and ONE.TXT contains a list of numbers from 50 to 60.. each number on a new line.. and then TWO.TXT contains a list of numbers from 80 to 90, each number on a new line...... how can i basically read one line from one.txt, then read one line from TWO.TXT and so forth? with the bash shell.. anyone know? |
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| 17:24.10 | axisr9 | i know read is involved, like.. while true ; do read.. but im still havin trouble figuring out what exactly id need to type at the bash prompt to make it appear on my screen (on new lines).. 50,80,51,81,52,82,53,83,54,84 |
| 17:24.18 | hargut | hello |
| 17:25.12 | ugu | Hi. I have rebuilt gnome-power-manager and installed it with dpkg. How do I tell apt not to touch it? |
| 17:25.13 | Heavy-D | hey guys... how come when I make create my entries in the iptables chains and then do an 'iptables-save' to commit the changes... they don't persist through a reboot? What am I missing? I do an iptables -L' |
| 17:25.17 | Heavy-D | and they're all gone |
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| 17:27.25 | Blackshark | i do have a problem with a non existing library when compiling php5.3 with "--with-mysql=..." the error is about the libstdc++.1a which does not exists. all libstdc++ packages are installed |
| 17:27.52 | newsense | Heavy-D, add a line to /etc/network/interfaces like iptables-restore < /path/to/iptables/save-file for the internet connection facing interface |
| 17:28.14 | newsense | Heavy-D, and itll be loaded at boot, if ya want ill paste mine for an example if you want |
| 17:28.32 | Heavy-D | newsense: if you wouldn't mind, it would be appreciated |
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| 17:28.49 | Elmaron | my laptop has a small resolution and therefore I decreased the font size of all the apps on my KDE desktop |
| 17:28.56 | Elmaron | sadly gtk apps don't care and are being huge |
| 17:29.00 | Elmaron | how can I change this? |
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| 17:29.31 | Elmaron | I can find a lot of theme changers in the repositories, but I need something that just lets me decrease the font size and not preview and apply some uber stylistic metal 2 theme |
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| 17:29.48 | Elmaron | gnome desktop is not installed, only gnomelibs and such |
| 17:30.00 | newsense | Heavy-D, ok gimme a second |
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| 17:30.04 | isbear | axisr9, most likely you need to first bind one file to file descriptor, like this exec 5<>ONE.TXT and second bind to stdin, and then read one line from &5 and one line from stdin |
| 17:30.11 | themill | Blackshark: is that the exact error? That file isn't in debian anywhere. Perhaps pastebin it. (And perhaps consider whether you really want to use php5.3 instead of what's already in debian) |
| 17:31.13 | newsense | Heavy-D, http://paste.debian.net/26962 |
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| 17:31.26 | craigevil | Elmaron: try using gtk-qt-engine |
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| 17:33.07 | isbear | axisr9, this works for me: exec 5<>a.txt ; while read b ; do read a <&5 ; echo $a ; echo $b ; done < b.txt |
| 17:33.23 | Heavy-D | newsense: i'm assuming that the /etc/iptables.conf file was created by using the iptables-save command? I don't seem to have that file on my system |
| 17:33.58 | newsense | yes iptables-save path/filename |
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| 17:37.21 | Heavy-D | newsense: I see, so it's okay to tack that pre-up command just at the end of the config for the interface? |
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| 17:39.29 | Blackshark | themill: http://paste.debian.net/26963/ thats exactly what i found out that the .1a files have been removed but there is't any explanations why in the world the compilers still need them. |
| 17:40.25 | Nostahl | hey guys what size am i looking at with a debian minimal install web server? |
| 17:40.54 | thasp | i imagine 1-1.2 gb |
| 17:41.00 | Daviey | ~12mb.. depends how minimal you go :) |
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| 17:41.12 | thasp | it can be smaller than that, too |
| 17:41.16 | Daviey | aye |
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| 17:41.28 | Daviey | i like nice things, like a shell:) |
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| 17:41.39 | thasp | pff |
| 17:41.43 | thasp | spoiled :( |
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| 17:42.00 | themill | Blackshark: you need a better font for your terminal... that's a .la file (letter L) not .1a. |
| 17:42.07 | Nostahl | i gotta run apache mysql php and wordpress |
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| 17:42.22 | Nostahl | images can be hosted offsite and linked too |
| 17:42.29 | Daviey | Nostahl: < thasp> i imagine 1-1.2 gb |
| 17:42.35 | Nostahl | (looking at setting up a router with dd-wrt ish |
| 17:42.40 | themill | Blackshark: You're also not using the compiler provided for you by debian... so ask whoever installed gcc-4.3.2 for you where they stuck those files. |
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| 17:44.05 | Blackshark | yah i tryed to remove as many gcc files as i can to try a clean start but removing gcc-4.1-base would nuke the whole system including aptitude and apt |
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| 17:44.29 | efaistos | little question i updated an ubuntu from gutsy to intrepid and everything almost works except the new kernel ... when i boot it goes to busybox and thats all |
| 17:44.33 | efaistos | any idea ? |
| 17:44.35 | themill | Blackshark: it's not gcc that was installed by apt that is the problem though, it's gcc that you have compiled yourself and is in /usr/local that is the problem. |
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| 17:44.47 | Blackshark | themill: what is the colpiler provided by debian? |
| 17:44.56 | themill | efaistos: wrong channel, try #ubuntu |
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| 17:45.14 | efaistos | themill: i know i know ... but they are useless :P |
| 17:45.17 | themill | Blackshark: debian will never give you anything in /usr/local |
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| 17:45.49 | Blackshark | themill: will it helpe to purge all gcc 4.3.2 files manualy? |
| 17:45.50 | themill | efaistos: not our problem. And since the kernel is quite different, you can't expect us to do anything about it |
| 17:46.04 | newsense_ | efaistos, all the more reason to switch to debian :) |
| 17:46.17 | themill | Blackshark: it might help to move /usr/local/gcc-4.3.2 out of the way and then install the "build-essential" package. |
| 17:46.28 | efaistos | i'm using debian ... its my friends laptop :( |
| 17:46.38 | efaistos | and cdrom doesnt work :( |
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| 17:47.15 | stew | efaistos: cdrom doesn't work on which machine? |
| 17:47.52 | efaistos | friends one and i dont have one on mine ... |
| 17:48.01 | stew | efaistos: then please ask #ubuntu |
| 17:48.07 | efaistos | :P |
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| 17:48.28 | pdbogen | For the owner of a file, are group permissions ignored? |
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| 17:49.12 | stew | pdbogen: no, the 'owner' portion of the permissions are used (http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions) |
| 17:49.21 | stew | pdbogen: oh wait |
| 17:49.40 | stew | pdbogen: i misread your question |
| 17:50.11 | Heavy-D | newsense: Your tips helped.. my rules are sucessfully being loaded for iptables on boot now. Thanks much! :) |
| 17:50.24 | stew | pdbogen: yes for the onwer of a file, only the owner portion applies |
| 17:50.30 | newsense_ | Heavy-D, cool glad it worked :) |
| 17:50.49 | pdbogen | stew: Ok, thanks. |
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| 17:54.30 | Blackshark | themill: the strange thing is there is no /usr/local/gcc-4.3.2 folder |
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| 17:55.30 | themill | Blackshark: that's entirely possible... but there must be a version of gcc installed on your machine (perhaps in /usr/local/bin) that thinks there should be |
| 17:57.25 | [SkG] | there are any source to get wgetpaste for debian? i cant find one |
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| 17:59.27 | Strogg | greetings everyone |
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| 18:00.45 | SmarterThanYou | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDebian |
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| 18:01.12 | d-b | !offtopic |
| 18:01.12 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:03.09 | Strogg | I have a gnome desktop setup on a Lenny install with the settings for a default workstation+laptop install.. I have a bash script in /usr/bin that will open a java program with some parameters for me. I made a desktop launcher icon to run the script and the program executes when double clicked, but it's not able to do network communication like its supposed to. When I run the script from a terminal, it |
| 18:03.10 | Strogg | can use the network fine though. |
| 18:03.18 | Strogg | Anyone have any idea what might be going wrong here? |
| 18:03.34 | Strogg | (neat! weechat automatically splits long lines. cool) |
| 18:03.54 | newsense | never heard of it |
| 18:04.23 | Strogg | I tried checking the env settings, and they seem comparable.. nothing out of the ordinary.. |
| 18:04.31 | L{LO | E-mail is better. |
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| 18:04.39 | hoxu | Strogg, dump your env from shell, and from the script, compare |
| 18:04.42 | project2601a | hi hi |
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| 18:05.00 | Strogg | I checked iptables.. there's no firewall there. When I do a netstat -tanp, I can see the port open and listening, but there's packets queued up in it and not being received |
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| 18:05.08 | project2601a | i'm looking for a debian sarge repo. i've googled around, but all links are either dead or outdated. any clues, please? |
| 18:05.14 | stew | SmarterThanYou: L{LO: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:05.29 | Strogg | hoxu: the env settings seem reasonable. no important differences that I can tell |
| 18:05.31 | L{LO | Sorry. |
| 18:05.33 | L{LO | Bye! |
| 18:05.38 | stew | project2601a: http://archive.debian.org ; note that sarge is no longer suported and is known to have security problems |
| 18:05.39 | L{LO | klines himself |
| 18:05.50 | project2601a | stew: good enough :) |
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| 18:05.52 | project2601a | ta mate |
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| 18:06.02 | hoxu | Strogg, well, that's the only difference I can think of, look harder :P |
| 18:06.05 | Strogg | I've been looking at the gnome settings and stuff like that, but I can't seem to find a setting that would make a difference |
| 18:06.06 | monkey_d_luffy | how do I get my (usb) mouse to work in console environment? |
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| 18:06.16 | valdyn | monkey_d_luffy: install gpm |
| 18:06.18 | newsense | monkey_d_luffy, gmp |
| 18:06.25 | monkey_d_luffy | thanks |
| 18:06.26 | SmarterThanYou | L{LO recognizes stew as unrivaled authority. |
| 18:06.27 | Strogg | even tried disabling ipv6, incase it was something about that.. |
| 18:06.36 | hoxu | Strogg, when you run the script from terminal, does it launch in the background or keep open in the shell? |
| 18:07.04 | Strogg | hoxu: hrmm good question.. lemme check. |
| 18:07.37 | hoxu | stew, i=Thanks@cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com has been here trolling with different nicks IIRC |
| 18:07.50 | SmarterThanYou | hoxu: True. |
| 18:08.09 | hoxu | stew, NoOneLikesDorks, SmarterThanYou, llorT, L{LO |
| 18:08.09 | SmarterThanYou | But only subtly. Mostly, I'm benign. |
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| 18:08.27 | hoxu | SmarterThanYou, you've been warned enough times, expect a +q soon |
| 18:08.52 | stew | SmarterThanYou: do you have any debian related questions? if not, please stay silent |
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| 18:09.49 | Strogg | hoxu: from the terminal, it opens in foreground |
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| 18:10.08 | hoxu | in my lastlog he SmarterThanYou hasn't asked a single debian-related question, but has repeatedly trolled and spammed |
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| 18:10.18 | Ward1983 | whats the best way to get flashplugin-nonfree in debian? |
| 18:10.28 | stew | Ward1983: for which version of debian? |
| 18:10.38 | Ward1983 | stew, lenny |
| 18:10.49 | hoxu | Strogg, hmm, I'm just guessing here, but you could try modifying it so that it forks |
| 18:10.54 | stew | Ward1983: you'd have to install it from sid |
| 18:11.22 | Ward1983 | stew, an risks involved with that? |
| 18:11.35 | Ward1983 | stew, (not that it mathers much, im at home, things can break here) |
| 18:12.05 | stew | Ward1983: yes, there are definate risks to using the non-free flash plugin. we have no way of auditing the source code, there have been security problems in the past with it that we have no way of fixing |
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| 18:12.46 | Ward1983 | stew, i know about those (but i really need nonfree) i more meant is there any risk using the sid repository with lenny |
| 18:13.12 | Ward1983 | thanx for the clear info btw |
| 18:13.15 | stew | Ward1983: yes, there is always a risk when using packages from sid, as they can be completely untested |
| 18:13.29 | Ward1983 | stew, ah ok, but no chance to break apt then i guess? |
| 18:13.38 | SmarterThanYou | hoxu: How does Debian compare to distributions like RHEL when it comes to enterprise support and closed source, commercial software compatibility? |
| 18:14.03 | newsense | SmarterThanYou, it doesnt |
| 18:14.07 | stew | Ward1983: yes, there is a chance to break apt |
| 18:14.20 | stew | SmarterThanYou: what do you mean by "enterprise support"? |
| 18:14.26 | Ward1983 | stew, oops lol |
| 18:14.37 | SmarterThanYou | stew: Paid support services (technical). |
| 18:14.44 | Ward1983 | stew, so would you suggest going for sid since im at home? i needed sid also for the latest VLC etc |
| 18:14.45 | stew | SmarterThanYou: debian offers none |
| 18:14.54 | abrotman | SmarterThanYou: companies do offer support, like HP |
| 18:14.58 | abrotman | IBM also IIRC |
| 18:15.31 | Ward1983 | consultancy might be a good option |
| 18:15.37 | SmarterThanYou | With third-party support contracts, is Debian used in the enterprise frequently compared to other distributions? |
| 18:15.43 | stew | Ward1983: i guess, but note that you should not mix sid and stable after lenny becomes stable |
| 18:15.44 | Ward1983 | help only when you need it, and you only pay for it when you need it |
| 18:16.21 | Ward1983 | stew, so when is that? i cannot find my way around the debian site well |
| 18:16.23 | stew | SmarterThanYou: i can't imagine anyone has accurate data in this regard, or how any would even be able to get accurate data |
| 18:16.24 | Ward1983 | its kindof chaotic |
| 18:16.31 | SmarterThanYou | I'm wondering if a written proposal to use Debian to cut costs would seem viable to management. |
| 18:16.36 | stew | Ward1983: when does lenny get released? |
| 18:16.49 | Ward1983 | stew, as stable |
| 18:16.55 | stew | Ward1983: whenever it is ready |
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| 18:17.10 | stew | Ward1983: "/msg dpkg lenny status" ; /msg dpkg rcbugs |
| 18:17.12 | Ward1983 | any ETAs on it? |
| 18:17.13 | Ward1983 | thanx |
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| 18:17.20 | stew | Ward1983: ETA is "soonish" |
| 18:17.38 | Ward1983 | ah nice al is frozen allready |
| 18:17.47 | stew | Ward1983: it was frozen in july |
| 18:17.57 | SmarterThanYou | I guess I never have questions because I always use Google. I guess I'm here to help, then. |
| 18:17.58 | stew | Ward1983: afaik the most recent estimated date given by the release team is sept, 2008 |
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| 18:18.10 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 18:18.30 | stew | but the release team never sets hard dates, it just releases when it is ready |
| 18:18.38 | Ward1983 | well its better then to force themselves to do a release every six months |
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| 18:18.43 | Ward1983 | caughs ubuntu |
| 18:19.03 | theholyduck | well the problem with ubuntu is not its release cycle |
| 18:19.07 | SmarterThanYou | I sacked a guy for installing Ubuntu on his laptop. |
| 18:19.10 | theholyduck | is that every feature they add is shit |
| 18:19.14 | stew | SmarterThanYou: please keep it on-topic |
| 18:19.17 | theholyduck | :D |
| 18:19.18 | SmarterThanYou | Yes. |
| 18:19.19 | stew | theholyduck: you too |
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| 18:19.50 | ugu | Hi. I have rebuilt gnome-power-manager and installed it with dpkg. How do I tell aptitude/apt not to touch it during upgrades? |
| 18:19.55 | Ward1983 | i only said that because i come from there, didnt mean to start flaming |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | !tell ugu about hold |
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| 18:24.16 | Strogg | grahh... man.. wtf... |
| 18:24.17 | ugu | abrotman: thanks, and hey, dpkg also knows about unhold! But.. if I use aptitude, apt-get and synaptic, |
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| 18:24.33 | abrotman | ugu: the bot told you |
| 18:24.34 | ugu | must I set it for both, dpkg and aptitude? |
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| 18:24.50 | abrotman | oh, try it and see |
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| 18:25.32 | stew | ugu: yes, dpkg/dselect and aptitude have different databases for this, so if you want both to hold the package, you must set the hold in both places. I don't know what if anything synaptic uses, but i'd suspect it uses the dselect database |
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| 18:26.04 | blizzow | I just installed some vmware binaries on my machine, but when I try and run them, I get and error saying:error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:26.05 | blizzow | even though /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 exists. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:26.34 | blizzow | whoa my grammar and typing skills suck this mornign. |
| 18:26.40 | ugu | stew: yes, looks like synaptic honors dpkg selections. thanks @all. |
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| 18:27.09 | Strogg | hoxu: I just tried making it go to the background.. same thing. Also tried using kdm and kde instead of gnome.. Also the same thing |
| 18:27.13 | abrotman | blizzow: it might be looking for another libgthread |
| 18:27.16 | Strogg | just doesn't get wtf is going on. |
| 18:27.35 | abrotman | blizzow: like /opt/foo/libgthread or sonmething goofy |
| 18:27.42 | hoxu | Strogg, can you show us the environments from the shell and when started from the desktop? |
| 18:27.50 | Strogg | hoxu: Sure thing.. gimme a sec. |
| 18:27.52 | blizzow | abrotman: How could I tell where it's looking for libgthread? |
| 18:28.00 | hoxu | Strogg, dump them from the script both times, first by running it from shell, and then desktop |
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| 18:28.11 | blizzow | It doesn't give the full path obviously. |
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| 18:29.21 | valdyn | blizzow: 32 bit verions of vmware on a 64 bit system or vice versa? |
| 18:29.34 | valdyn | blizzow: you can run ldd against the binary executable to see how its linking |
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| 18:35.02 | blizzow | oof, the vmware binaries didn't come int 32 or 64 bit flavors. Just a single flavor. Looks like I need to install 32bit libgthread libs then? |
| 18:35.02 | blizzow | Here's a pastebin of ldd -v converter-gui ... http://pastebin.ca/1318759 |
| 18:35.31 | blizzow | Or just go find myself a 32 bit linux box... |
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| 18:37.43 | abrotman | blizzow: ia32-libs package perhaps ? |
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| 18:38.00 | abrotman | oh .. seemingly already installed |
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| 18:38.45 | halflife08 | hello folks is there a package/command that prints the summary of hw in the system. i am aware of dmidecode, lspci etc, i am looking for one that prints a summary from all these |
| 18:39.14 | abrotman | !tell halflife08 about whats my hardware |
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| 18:41.07 | halflife08 | abrotman: wierd my irc client didn't open up another tabbed window with message, can i do /msg dpkg to get the same info ? |
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| 18:42.10 | jakub_ | r |
| 18:42.12 | jakub_ | hello |
| 18:42.16 | jakub_ | if i broken my sources.list file |
| 18:42.29 | jakub_ | but i didnt do apt-get update, can i fix it ? |
| 18:42.34 | jakub_ | eehm no broken, deleted |
| 18:43.09 | simonrvn | check out /var/lib/apt/lists for clues as to how to rebuild it. |
| 18:43.13 | jakub_ | thx |
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| 18:48.17 | halflife08 | abrotman: thanks, that info helped |
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| 18:50.23 | eyeris | I want my /dev/pts/* devices to be mode 0660 so that when I login remotely via ssh as one user, when I su to another user that is in the tty group, I can use screen to open the pts device created by ssh. |
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| 18:51.26 | eyeris | This is my udev rule: KERNEL=="[0-9]", KERNELS=="pts", MODE="0660", GROUP="tty" |
| 18:51.46 | eyeris | The device path is, e.g. /dev/pts/6 |
| 18:52.02 | eyeris | However udevmonitor doesn't show a match when ssh creates a new pts device |
| 18:52.14 | eyeris | I have restarted udev, so the rule is loaded |
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| 18:55.30 | Anarky | Hi ! |
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| 18:56.16 | Anarky | escuse me, what is the chan for experimental debian kde4 packages |
| 18:56.21 | Anarky | there was on IIRC |
| 18:56.25 | Anarky | one |
| 18:56.32 | stew | Anarky: #debian-kde on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:56.47 | eyeris | Anarky kde4 is not experimental anymore, afaik |
| 18:56.54 | stew | eyeris: it is |
| 18:57.07 | Anarky | different network ? or is it another freenode server ? |
| 18:57.14 | stew | Anarky: different network |
| 18:57.27 | Anarky | ok, thanks |
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| 18:57.44 | Anarky | there seems to be some people on it here too ...:) |
| 18:57.47 | eyeris | stew I see now. It's just the libraries that are included in unstable. |
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| 19:14.37 | andreus | hello, I've installed debian testing/unstable without specifying network settings, now I can't install anything with apt-get. how do i add my local apt sources? perhaps there is at least web based apt source generator? thanks in advance |
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| 19:15.25 | stew | andreus: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 19:15.37 | n0nsense | hi |
| 19:15.46 | newsense | hi |
| 19:15.48 | n0nsense | has anyone here installed pure-ftpd? |
| 19:15.52 | n0nsense | lol |
| 19:15.54 | stew | n0nsense: many people |
| 19:16.03 | n0nsense | stew: okay... I'm freaking out |
| 19:16.17 | andreus | stew: thank you |
| 19:16.20 | n0nsense | my child-safety is supposed to start soon -.- |
| 19:16.38 | n0nsense | i have a problem with a virtual user |
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| 19:16.53 | nkuttler | andreus: just for the record, man sources.list would have an answer too |
| 19:17.40 | n0nsense | pure-ftpd always tells me |
| 19:17.41 | n0nsense | 331 User toastbrot OK. Password required |
| 19:17.41 | n0nsense | Password: |
| 19:17.41 | n0nsense | 530 Login authentication failed |
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| 19:17.56 | n0nsense | o.O |
| 19:18.01 | n0nsense | sorry |
| 19:19.29 | n0nsense | i can't find anything on the net |
| 19:19.47 | n0nsense | ##pure-ftpd seemed unfriendly |
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| 19:20.30 | foojunkie | hello |
| 19:21.26 | andreus | nkuttler: the thing is that i don't know my local repository. |
| 19:22.04 | nkuttler | andreus: see example in the man page, try your tld |
| 19:23.30 | foojunkie | for a web/mail-server in terms of security and performace , is it better to use inetd or xinited or non of both ? |
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| 19:26.08 | Necrosan | http://paste.ubuntu.com/109972/ that is my problem |
| 19:26.13 | Necrosan | What's the recommended course of action? |
| 19:26.16 | Necrosan | I just want sunffb. |
| 19:26.55 | stew | Necrosan: what does "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core" say for "Candidate:"? |
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| 19:27.18 | Necrosan | sec |
| 19:27.32 | avu | Necrosan, what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:27.40 | Necrosan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.50 | avu | Necrosan, you're in the wrong channel |
| 19:27.53 | Necrosan | avu: Ubuntu guys are stumped, they sent me here |
| 19:27.53 | stew | Necrosan: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:28.01 | stew | Necrosan: they steered you wrong then |
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| 19:28.10 | Necrosan | Is there a way to force the install? |
| 19:28.14 | stew | Necrosan: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:28.26 | Necrosan | Same apt-get in debian |
| 19:28.36 | avu | but not the same broken dependencies |
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| 19:28.52 | stew | Necrosan: no, its not, and the problem is not with apt-get, sorry, but we can't help you here |
| 19:28.53 | avu | Necrosan, also, apt-get isn't necessarily the same in debian. |
| 19:29.02 | avu | Necrosan, really, ask #ubuntu |
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| 19:29.12 | Necrosan | OK, nevermind. |
| 19:29.20 | dondelelcaro | Necrosan: if #ubuntu can't help you, use their fora or other resources |
| 19:29.21 | Necrosan | #ubuntu doesn't seem to know crap about sparc |
| 19:29.22 | stew | Necrosan: you can tell the people that told you to come here that they shouldn't have. if you can't get an answer from #ubuntu, perhaps try a web forum or ubuntu mailint list |
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| 19:29.38 | dkr | or wiki |
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| 19:30.36 | Hei | ikke* |
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| 19:41.13 | jon_snow | hi |
| 19:41.15 | scsinutz | Hello.. What's the secret to get Redhat-Cluster installed on Debian? installing via apt-get seems to have broken packages. |
| 19:41.39 | jon_snow | is it possible to install NetworkManager 0.7.0 (ubuntu) on Debian? |
| 19:41.59 | maligor | I wouldn't recommend it |
| 19:42.09 | dazjorz | Hey |
| 19:42.13 | maligor | As in: noone will help you with that :P |
| 19:42.13 | jon_snow | maligor, why? |
| 19:42.24 | jon_snow | :) |
| 19:42.29 | dazjorz | Any hints for providing architecture-specific patches for a package, without changing too much of the package itself? |
| 19:42.47 | dkr | "You know nothing, Jon Snow." |
| 19:42.49 | dazjorz | i.e. for the Cygwin port I need to change debian/rules a little here and there, and I can make a patch for that - but I don't want to create a full new source package signed by me etc |
| 19:43.01 | maligor | jon_snow, experimental has nm 0.7.0 |
| 19:43.12 | maligor | use that instead, if you really want it |
| 19:43.30 | jon_snow | maligor, i want to install NM 0.70 to connect on web with my Internet Key Huaweei e180 |
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| 19:44.28 | maligor | as it happens, I'm running nm 0.7 on sid/experimental |
| 19:44.53 | jon_snow | i can try... |
| 19:45.14 | maligor | isn't Huaweei e180 more or less just a modem? |
| 19:45.27 | jon_snow | usb modem |
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| 19:47.13 | jon_snow | maligor, i'm downloading debian-testing-amd64-CD... now i'm playing ubuntu (NM 0.70) |
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| 19:47.36 | scsinutz | Does Debian support GFS? |
| 19:47.42 | maligor | gfs? |
| 19:48.02 | maligor | redhat's cluster stuff? |
| 19:48.03 | stew | scsinutz: apt-cache search redhat-cluster |
| 19:48.07 | scsinutz | yep |
| 19:48.17 | maligor | I see packages, never used |
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| 19:49.17 | Greek-Boy | I did a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and discovered that permissions of my /var and sub directories changed :( |
| 19:49.33 | Greek-Boy | so the apps that need logging now won't start coz of permssion issues |
| 19:49.41 | beardy | Discover aptitude ffs. |
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| 19:49.58 | Greek-Boy | ffs? |
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| 19:51.06 | JordiGH | "For fuck's sake" |
| 19:51.09 | JordiGH | !wtf ffs |
| 19:51.11 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what ffs means... |
| 19:51.31 | JordiGH | Huh, I could have sworn that was in the wtf database. |
| 19:52.04 | dkr | Facial feminization surgery. |
| 19:52.05 | Greek-Boy | lol |
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| 19:52.24 | Greek-Boy | so beardy wants me to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 19:52.26 | JordiGH | !wtf lol |
| 19:52.28 | dpkg | LOL: laughing out loud |
| 19:52.49 | dkr | Greek-Boy: actually, the debian release notes say that. not a "beardy", whatever that is |
| 19:53.31 | beardy | What mr all consonants said. |
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| 19:54.05 | joepa | anyone know which package starts the service svrloc? |
| 19:54.24 | pobega | I changed my username from pobega to pobegam, and /home/pobegam/bin is no longer in my $PATH -- how do I change it? |
| 19:54.30 | pobega | s/change/add |
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| 19:54.59 | Greek-Boy | dkr: are u saying that its no longer safe to use apt-get ? |
| 19:55.11 | beardy | !u |
| 19:55.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:55.27 | meyou | Greek-Boy: aptitude is just better |
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| 19:55.43 | pobega | meyou: I use aptitude too, but from what I understand apt-get has caught up with it in terms of features. |
| 19:55.47 | dkr | Greek-Boy: no. just that aptitude is recommended as it handles dependecy resolution better. |
| 19:55.51 | pobega | Though I'm not sure about tags/flags/whatever they are called. |
| 19:55.57 | beardy | It is. But it's irrelevant. It is recommended. |
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| 19:56.17 | JordiGH | pobega: Eh, kinda not really. Aptitude is still smarter about conflict resolution than apt-get. And it has readable source too. |
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| 19:56.56 | pobega | JordiGH: Good to know, I got into an argument with my room mate last night over this (came up during an rpm vs deb debate). I'll be sure to rub it in his face that I was right :] |
| 19:58.38 | Greek-Boy | dkr: thanks, understood |
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| 19:58.53 | JordiGH | Ubuntu seems so backwater country for still using apt-get. :P |
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| 20:00.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: for the hundredth time .. go to #ubuntu |
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| 20:00.36 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'll be sure to let them know how much they suck right this minute! |
| 20:00.36 | the1 | what chat clients do you use on Debian? |
| 20:00.48 | abrotman | the1: most use irssi or xchat |
| 20:01.00 | the1 | irssi and xchat are gui apps? |
| 20:01.08 | pobega | the1: I've heard good things about weechat, recently. |
| 20:01.10 | abrotman | irssi is not, xchat is |
| 20:01.19 | pobega | the1: Unless you mean AIM/MSN/XMPP clients, not IRC. |
| 20:01.34 | the1 | i mean IRC clients |
| 20:01.49 | pobega | the1: then yeah, irssi/xchat/bitchx/weechat |
| 20:01.52 | pobega | 'bout all that comes to mind |
| 20:02.00 | the1 | in xchat can we make multiple connections to the same server with different nicks, just like in pidgin? |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | pobega: there's no bitchx in ddebian |
| 20:02.08 | the1 | pobega: I can't find bitchx anymore in debian |
| 20:02.14 | the1 | however, bitchx was there in etch |
| 20:02.15 | pobega | abrotman: No? I've never used it in my life, I just assumed. |
| 20:02.16 | the1 | why was it removed? |
| 20:02.20 | monkey_d_luffy | How do I add a library path to my ld.so.conf ? I've tried the line: include /usr/local/cuda/lib but it isn't working. Any ideas? |
| 20:02.20 | abrotman | judd: versions bitchx |
| 20:02.21 | judd | abrotman: bitchx -- etch: 1:1.1-4 |
| 20:02.27 | abrotman | !tell the1 about bitchx |
| 20:02.36 | abrotman | and that bitchx in etch is transitional IIRC |
| 20:03.00 | pobega | Transitional to what? |
| 20:03.01 | abrotman | oh .. nope, it's really there ... drat |
| 20:03.11 | abrotman | pobega: something with a bitchx mode ? |
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| 20:05.28 | the1 | in xchat and irssi can we make multiple connections to the same server with different nicks, just like in pidgin? |
| 20:06.21 | abrotman | the1: try it? |
| 20:06.53 | the1 | i have started aptitude install, but thought in case the users of these clients can already answer. |
| 20:07.27 | abrotman | ask #xchat or #irssi |
| 20:08.35 | the1 | thanks. |
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| 20:19.52 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 20:19.52 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
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| 20:21.32 | pobega | I changed my username from pobega to pobegam, and /home/pobegam/bin is no longer in my $PATH -- how do I add it? |
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| 20:22.28 | newsense | pobega, echo 'PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"' >> "$HOME/.bashrc" |
| 20:22.30 | enouf | pobega: usually in ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:22.42 | enouf | pobega: how did your change it? |
| 20:23.05 | pobega | enouf: usermod, I think |
| 20:23.11 | enouf | ~$ grep bin .bash_profile |
| 20:23.18 | pobega | I don't have a .bash_profile |
| 20:23.52 | enouf | then you did it wrong, or you're using a different shell |
| 20:24.08 | pobega | Nope, I use bash. I don't know what happened to my .bash_profile, I believe I used to have it. |
| 20:24.46 | pobega | newsense: That worked, thanks! :] |
| 20:24.54 | newsense | np |
| 20:24.54 | pobega | I knew it was something simple like that, I just couldn't figure it out. |
| 20:25.00 | enouf | pobega: bah - it's ~/.bash_profile -- just showing the command while in /home/username as a user -- see the '~$' though it's nothing definite, it's the default debian setup |
| 20:25.05 | pobega | I've been on a neverending brainfart lately |
| 20:25.49 | enouf | there's a reason your /etc/skel/.bash* files are the way they are |
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| 20:26.20 | enouf | .bash_logout .bash_profile .bashrc |
| 20:26.22 | pobega | enouf: I know what bash and the bash rc scripts are :] I'm not a complete newb |
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| 20:26.33 | pobega | I have aliases, history, logout and rc |
| 20:26.40 | pobega | For ~/.bash* |
| 20:26.59 | enouf | i do all sorts of shit in my .bashrc as well ... but there are gotchas |
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| 20:29.35 | enouf | pobega: every once in a while do echo $PATH (you'll notice some anomolies) |
| 20:29.40 | enouf | er anamolies |
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| 20:30.10 | enouf | pobega: make a change to your ~/.bashrc, then source it, to affect chnages |
| 20:30.18 | enouf | then do echo $PATH |
| 20:30.23 | newsense | i dont have a .bash_profile either |
| 20:30.33 | enouf | ubuntu? |
| 20:30.47 | newsense | enouf, you know me "its newsense" |
| 20:30.52 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:31.00 | newsense | come on brother im die hard debian |
| 20:31.05 | enouf | newsense: maybe it's been changed |
| 20:31.06 | newsense | ;) |
| 20:31.18 | pobega | enouf: echo $PATH seems fine to me, all the paths seem right. |
| 20:31.24 | Greek-Boy | which value will I use in chmod for -rw-r----- ? |
| 20:31.26 | enouf | pobega: right .. just wait |
| 20:31.49 | adama_ | Greek-Boy: 640 |
| 20:31.51 | enouf | Greek-Boy: try a complete thought |
| 20:31.54 | pobega | enouf: By the way, I think that .bash_profile has just been phased out of the Debian bash setup. Perhaps you just have legacy configs? |
| 20:31.55 | enouf | oh |
| 20:31.57 | adama_ | there are 10 types of people... |
| 20:32.04 | pobega | This is a pretty new systems, installed under a month ago. |
| 20:32.14 | enouf | Greek-Boy: 4+2+1 is all you need to know - /msg dpkg permissions |
| 20:32.39 | scientes | hwo should i install debian from ubuntu? |
| 20:32.42 | scientes | debootstrap? |
| 20:32.44 | newsense | pobega, i think you may be right i dont think any of my systems have a .bash_profile and i only run debian |
| 20:32.50 | enouf | pobega: legacy <everything> ftw .. |
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| 20:32.56 | enouf | no blingbling allowed |
| 20:33.10 | enouf | scientes: sure .. |
| 20:33.11 | newsense | ;) |
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| 20:33.49 | enouf | ~$ dlocate .bash_profile |
| 20:33.50 | enouf | bash: /etc/skel/.bash_profile |
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| 20:33.59 | enouf | adduser: /usr/share/doc/adduser/examples/adduser.local.conf.examples/skel/dot.bash_profile |
| 20:34.07 | pobega | enouf: Agreed -- I wish I could've mirrored my two year old installation over. |
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| 20:34.43 | enouf | heh, a file name dot, with a dot in it :-) |
| 20:35.00 | pobega | enouf: dot dot? :] |
| 20:35.00 | enouf | it's gnusense! |
| 20:35.15 | enouf | dash dash |
| 20:35.30 | enouf | awaits someone to quack |
| 20:35.38 | newsense | is still upset enouf asked if i ran ubuntu :( |
| 20:35.55 | enouf | newsense: it's my nature - relax ;-) |
| 20:35.57 | stew | !duck |
| 20:35.57 | dpkg | Hhhwrraaaaaaaacckk! |
| 20:36.05 | jelly | \_o< |
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| 20:36.33 | enouf | newsense: it's my nature .. to break chops/balls .. is what i meant |
| 20:36.36 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:36.47 | newsense | enouf, i know, i was shocked at first |
| 20:36.48 | keith4 | does apt install recommended packages by default? |
| 20:37.06 | stew | !punish enouf |
| 20:37.06 | dpkg | cuts enouf's balls off, slices them thin and feeds them to tux the penguin. |
| 20:37.14 | enouf | Owwww! |
| 20:37.41 | stew | keith4: it does in lenny, not in etch |
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| 20:37.54 | enouf | Babydoll isn't going to like that ... and she's been on a rampage lately .. you better hide |
| 20:38.30 | keith4 | stew: ew! how do I stop that? |
| 20:38.34 | enouf | keith4_: to disable it |
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| 20:38.55 | newsense | i usually append --without-recommends |
| 20:39.00 | enouf | ~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 20:39.00 | enouf | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; |
| 20:39.32 | enouf | !win tuxcrafter |
| 20:39.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, tuxcrafter! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:39.38 | stew | enouf: i ran "cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends" but it didn't get disabled. it gave me "no such file..." ?!? |
| 20:39.49 | enouf | for making me remove the = sign in my original |
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| 20:40.00 | enouf | stew: stop :-) |
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| 20:40.04 | jelly | hammertime |
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| 20:40.20 | newsense | enouf, nice i didnt know you could disbale it permanently or didnt know how at least , your ok by me now |
| 20:40.37 | scsinutz | Is there a recommended distributed file system for Debian? |
| 20:40.44 | enouf | keith4_: edit the file that i cat'd .. if it doesn't exist, touch <full/path/filename> |
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| 20:41.15 | enouf | newsense: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz might interest you |
| 20:41.31 | newsense | gusto, why do you feel the need to version me ? |
| 20:41.35 | keith4 | enouf: got it, thanks |
| 20:41.38 | enouf | newsense: almost as good as roses eh? ;-) |
| 20:41.48 | newsense | enouf, thanks i will read that before i change anything |
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| 20:42.22 | Vorbote | scsinutz: not particularly, but OCFS2 is all the reage nowadays. |
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| 20:42.27 | stew | the manpage should point to configure-index.gz |
| 20:42.30 | stew | oh, and it does |
| 20:42.50 | Vorbote | s/reage/rage/ |
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| 20:44.05 | enouf | Two things every debian user needs to know; a) man pages and b) /usr/share/doc/ |
| 20:44.06 | keith4 | hallelujah! |
| 20:44.13 | scsinutz | Vorbote: thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 20:44.14 | keith4 | no more recommended packages |
| 20:44.24 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 20:44.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 20:45.20 | abirch | What is the extra hand for? |
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| 20:45.52 | jelly | it's a leg. |
| 20:45.54 | enouf | stew: ya know, with that last stab; "<stew> enouf: i ran "cat /etc/..." .. i almost felt like saying - "Maybe you should try Ubuntu" :-P |
| 20:46.17 | enouf | loves external hands |
| 20:46.22 | stew | should I? does it have xgl? |
| 20:46.39 | enouf | stew: only configurable through GUI! |
| 20:46.46 | stew | ok |
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| 20:49.42 | dutchfish | how can i make alterations (because a preflight of udev interpreteddevice screen wrong) persistant in xorg.conf for the next update? |
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| 20:50.20 | kpanic | hi I'm on debian unstable but when I launch compiz --replace it says: Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 20:50.32 | kpanic | I have NVidia driver loaded |
| 20:50.35 | kpanic | and nvidia-glx |
| 20:50.42 | enouf | stew: you did bring up a good point though (however sideways it was) http://rafb.net/p/Ww2Wc150.html is output of; ~$ dlocate /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ | nc nc paste.dyndns.org 1234 |
| 20:50.56 | enouf | bah , remove one 'nc' |
| 20:50.59 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:51.22 | newsense | kpanic, /msg dpkg compiz and follow the links it gives |
| 20:51.27 | kpanic | newsense, k |
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| 20:53.02 | enouf | stew: to be honest though - i've got such a good-working hodge-podge-mess of etch/lenny/sid, i really don't expect much to make sense - am doing the once-a-year-dist-upgrade (1000+ pkgs) real soon .. gotta move installation to larger HDD though 1st |
| 20:53.12 | zleap | newsense or gnusense |
| 20:53.29 | newsense | newsense its nothing to do with the distro |
| 20:53.43 | enouf | dutchfish: er... |
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| 20:54.11 | newsense | actually the nick of a local chicago rapper i like |
| 20:54.22 | enouf | dutchfish: xorg.conf should always be persistant |
| 20:54.27 | dutchfish | enouf, i have made changes to xorg.conf so the device screen is now right and working; how to make that persistant? |
| 20:54.48 | enouf | dutchfish: device screen == monitor? |
| 20:54.52 | dutchfish | enouf, no, it isnt, its regenerated at next update |
| 20:55.02 | enouf | what? which debian release? |
| 20:55.10 | dutchfish | enouf, lenny latest amd64 |
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| 20:55.18 | enouf | dutchfish: device screen == monitor?!!! |
| 20:55.32 | dutchfish | enouf, that section yes, no not that line |
| 20:55.47 | enouf | oh oh ... |
| 20:55.55 | dutchfish | enouf, its a trident chipset in a lappy |
| 20:56.00 | enouf | ... |
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| 20:56.31 | craigevil | manual changes to xorg.conf shouldnt be overwrtitten by any updates |
| 20:56.32 | enouf | dutchfish: manually backup the file - period, and restore it |
| 20:56.33 | dutchfish | enouf, the frequencies are wrong on automagic |
| 20:56.44 | enouf | dutchfish: then report a bug please |
| 20:56.54 | dutchfish | enouf, yep, i just was curieus if it was possible to make it persistant |
| 20:57.03 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, will do |
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| 20:57.22 | dutchfish | enouf, thanks |
| 20:58.41 | enouf | dutchfish: one way is to put a pkgname on "/msg dpkg hold" .. but that doesn't solve the general issue |
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| 20:58.55 | dutchfish | enouf, thats xorg-core i gues? |
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| 20:59.04 | enouf | dutchfish: you seem to be wanting to stop "the change" |
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| 20:59.18 | enouf | from etch -> lenny's versions |
| 20:59.29 | dutchfish | enouf, no, not the update, but the reconfiguration at update |
| 20:59.42 | dutchfish | enouf, yep |
| 20:59.50 | enouf | dutchfish: i'd start with the 'xorg' metapackage and narrow it down |
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| 20:59.58 | dutchfish | enouf, ok |
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| 21:00.16 | enouf | xserver-xorgcore maybe .. not sure |
| 21:00.18 | enouf | er |
| 21:00.22 | enouf | xserver-xorg-core maybe .. not sure |
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| 21:00.55 | Ward1983 | does anyone know software i can use to add a second virtual screen to my comp, that outputs in a SDL window on another comp? |
| 21:01.04 | compengi | i'm using Debian Etch. once it tried to do "apt-get install kde" and from that time the apt-get is broken. i receive: Errors were encountered while processing: udev hal kdebase kde-core kde-amusements kde; E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1). any idea? |
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| 21:01.50 | compengi | "apt-get -f" didn't help either |
| 21:02.15 | dutchfish | Ward1983, you mean x-frowarding? |
| 21:02.25 | dutchfish | s/frowarding/forwarding |
| 21:02.34 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, well a second screen, next to the first screen i allready have |
| 21:03.24 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, dunno if that counts as x forwarding |
| 21:03.28 | Ward1983 | i never heard of it |
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| 21:04.47 | dutchfish | Ward1983, http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html |
| 21:04.47 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, x-forwarding is like ssh -X ? then no i mean actually add another screen |
| 21:04.58 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, ah no i know that, thats not what i mean |
| 21:05.03 | Ward1983 | know |
| 21:05.40 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i mean actually add a second virtual screen, as if i have a second graphics card with a second monitor |
| 21:05.41 | stew | Ward1983: you could look at synergy or x2x or x2vnc |
| 21:05.48 | Ward1983 | only virtual, preferrably in a SDL window |
| 21:05.56 | Ward1983 | stew, ok will look at them |
| 21:06.05 | dutchfish | Ward1983, maybe xnest |
| 21:06.23 | stew | Ward1983: these are NOT going to let you run stuff from one machine on the other monitor, but will let you aceess stuff on the other monitor with the same keyboard/mouse |
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| 21:07.06 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 21:07.08 | Ward1983 | stew, nope thats not what i need lol |
| 21:07.14 | Ward1983 | stew, thanx anyway |
| 21:07.20 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, will google it thanx |
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| 21:07.42 | dutchfish | Ward1983, maybe you mean, create a screen device (virtual) and add your remote desktop (from another computer) in it? |
| 21:07.44 | Ward1983 | on first sight xnest seems to come close :) |
| 21:08.06 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i dunno what you mean by that |
| 21:08.06 | wuffi600 | the is an empty directory "/initrd" . is this a debian default? can i remove it? |
| 21:08.07 | dutchfish | Ward1983, for the virtual you dont need sextra software, its all X |
| 21:08.13 | wuffi600 | there is an empty directory "/initrd" . is this a debian default? can i remove it? |
| 21:08.23 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i mean: add a second virtual graphics card and screen, and output it on another computer |
| 21:08.25 | Ward1983 | in a window |
| 21:08.29 | Ward1983 | preferrably SDL |
| 21:08.35 | dutchfish | Ward1983, yes |
| 21:08.36 | stew | wuffi600: i don't think that directory came from debian |
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| 21:08.42 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, ah nice x can do this :) |
| 21:08.47 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, didnt know thanx |
| 21:08.49 | wuffi600 | stew, ok, so i rm it. thanx |
| 21:08.56 | dutchfish | Ward1983, the first part yes, the forwarding no |
| 21:09.12 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, yes i understand |
| 21:09.15 | enouf | wuffi600: wrong |
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| 21:09.57 | enouf | wuffi600: there is a symlink in your / named ./initrd which points to your /boot/init.d-image |
| 21:09.58 | dutchfish | Ward1983, you are limited to 16 (at the top ofmy head) and mem in your machine |
| 21:10.01 | compengi | i'm using Debian Etch. once it tried to do "apt-get install kde" and from that time the apt-get is broken. when i tried to do "apt-get -f install" i got this http://pastebin.ca/1318894 |
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| 21:10.47 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, "limited" to "only" 16 desktops? |
| 21:10.50 | enouf | wuffi600: ls -l initrd |
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| 21:10.57 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, oh i need 1024 so (sarcasm alert) |
| 21:10.58 | dutchfish | Ward1983, 16 screen devices |
| 21:11.05 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, lol thats insane |
| 21:11.08 | dutchfish | Ward1983, not sure |
| 21:11.09 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i need 2 or 4 |
| 21:11.17 | stew | compengi: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:11.20 | dutchfish | Ward1983, that would work |
| 21:11.30 | enouf | wuffi600: also see man kernel-img.conf |
| 21:11.57 | stew | compengi: the line it is complaining about is "echo > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug" |
| 21:11.57 | dutchfish | Ward1983, not so far fetched, think of a teacher, that monitors the pupils |
| 21:12.04 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, and only 640x480 :) |
| 21:12.05 | compengi | stew, 2.6.18-92.1.13.el5.028stab059.6PAE |
| 21:12.30 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, how fast / slow is this? should you know |
| 21:12.34 | enouf | wonders how many crypto/lvm volumes don't boot because of that possible missing / symlink |
| 21:12.38 | stew | compengi: well, it appears that kernel doesn't support udev. where did it come from? |
| 21:12.47 | dutchfish | Ward1983, amazingly fast (modern hardware in a lan) |
| 21:12.54 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, oh nice :) |
| 21:13.24 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, will try it in a bit (need to go away for a moment) and let you know how it works out |
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| 21:13.38 | dutchfish | Ward1983, try to avoid vnc so, its damn slow |
| 21:13.47 | enouf | heh |
| 21:13.48 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i knw lol |
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| 21:14.25 | enouf | [16:11:20] You're ignoring: [16:11:20] Ward1983!* .. no wonder i think dutchfish is crazy |
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| 21:14.50 | dutchfish | enouf, ? |
| 21:14.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.23 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, he just wants to make a public notice that he ignored me untill now i think :) |
| 21:15.34 | dutchfish | ah ic |
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| 21:15.42 | enouf | Ward1983: i didn't, .. i was genuinely perplexed |
| 21:15.44 | dutchfish | and yes, i am a bit crazy i gues |
| 21:15.54 | hakan8 | hey girls |
| 21:16.06 | enouf | you can't be alive for long without being a bit crazy |
| 21:16.10 | Ward1983 | crazy for offering advice? :p |
| 21:16.18 | dutchfish | enouf, good point ;) |
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| 21:16.57 | wuffi600 | enouf: thank you for your hint. i regenerated the /inird-link. |
| 21:17.06 | enouf | wuffi600: attaboy ;-) |
| 21:17.21 | dutchfish | mumbles the best ideas i had where abit crazy, that ones that shocked the world where at first glance insane |
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| 21:18.40 | enouf | wuffi600: a ls -al (or a stat file/dir) , or ls -ld on a dir on anything will show you what you need to know .. |
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| 21:18.55 | enouf | wuffi600: man readlink |
| 21:19.00 | DustyDingo | hm, i can't load kvm-intel in lenny,... what could be the problem? |
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| 21:19.13 | DustyDingo | FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported |
| 21:19.23 | dutchfish | is a sgefault on closing an app a "grave bug" (kmyfirewall)? |
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| 21:19.48 | enouf | DustyDingo: enable it in your BIOS |
| 21:20.14 | enouf | !tell DustyDingo -about kvm |
| 21:21.16 | DustyDingo | enouf: VT,... hm i could swear that it is enabled |
| 21:21.17 | maligor | cpu doesn't support it? |
| 21:21.17 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, do you tried to load kvm_intel manually? |
| 21:21.23 | dutchfish | s/do/did |
| 21:21.43 | enouf | DustyDingo: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 21:21.52 | DustyDingo | dutchfish: yes |
| 21:22.00 | DustyDingo | enouf: it lists vmx, yes |
| 21:22.03 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, modprobe kvm, not kvm_intel |
| 21:22.17 | enouf | point |
| 21:22.29 | DustyDingo | dutchfish: kvm is loaded,... kvm-intel not |
| 21:22.46 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, rince and repeat |
| 21:22.50 | enouf | modinfo kvm | grep -i depends |
| 21:22.53 | simonrvn | !tell dutchfish -about bts |
| 21:23.14 | enouf | dutchfish: s/rince/rinse |
| 21:23.19 | dutchfish | simonrvn, [blushes] should have know better. Thanks |
| 21:23.36 | DustyDingo | enouf: kvm loads,... |
| 21:23.44 | DustyDingo | no deps |
| 21:23.48 | simonrvn | np. good luck, aand hello |
| 21:23.52 | simonrvn | and |
| 21:24.09 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, is this stock kernel? 2nd: VT enabled in bios? |
| 21:24.12 | enouf | DustyDingo: how do you know no depends? no output? |
| 21:24.41 | DustyDingo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.46 | DustyDingo | dutchfish: yes |
| 21:24.50 | enouf | DustyDingo: grep kvm /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep |
| 21:25.27 | enouf | DustyDingo: custom kernel? .. or .. |
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| 21:25.43 | DustyDingo | no, stock |
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| 21:26.06 | monkey_d_luffy | does anyone knows in which file does KDE stores its shortcut bindings? |
| 21:26.10 | enouf | ahh . reight ... <DustyDingo> FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kvm/kvm-intel.ko) thought so |
| 21:26.13 | stew | operation not permitting on modprobe is usually CONFIG_MODULES is not set. but it would certainly be set on a stock kernel |
| 21:26.17 | compengi | stew, http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev shouldn't all 2.6 kernels support udev? |
| 21:26.43 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: what? |
| 21:27.01 | enouf | compengi: well .. no |
| 21:27.03 | stew | compengi: you can configure them to not support udev |
| 21:27.14 | enouf | compengi: ever hear of Yaird? |
| 21:27.14 | stew | compengi: is this kernel from archlinux? |
| 21:27.16 | compengi | so what shall i do now |
| 21:27.22 | compengi | nope |
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| 21:27.34 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, do you have execution protection enabled in bios also? |
| 21:27.35 | stew | compengi: where did you get this kernel? and can you instead use a debian kernel? |
| 21:27.35 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: in KDE you can define keyboad shortcuts, right? I would like to know in which file that information is stored |
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| 21:27.50 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, some bios make a mess then with kvm |
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| 21:28.30 | DustyDingo | dutchfish: ehem, you certainly want this bit,... |
| 21:28.32 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: no idea, kcontrol is the GUI interface, and many settings are in ~/.kde/config/* .. but ask a kde channel |
| 21:28.46 | enouf | monkey_d_luffy: no idea, kcontrol is the GUI interface, and many settings are in ~/.kde/config/apps/* (IIRC).. but ask a kde channel |
| 21:28.56 | dutchfish | DustyDingo, could you just try to flip that switch for the sake of a test? |
| 21:28.58 | monkey_d_luffy | enouf: ok, thanks :) |
| 21:29.00 | cads | are you guys familiar with the emifreq-applet for the gnome panel? |
| 21:29.35 | craigevil | monkey_d_luffy: kcontrol>Regional> Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 21:30.23 | cads | I installed that to be able to choose my cpu's scaling (I have a pentium m). It was dynamic, but now it's static and the emifreq applet can't change the cpu speed or governor |
| 21:31.03 | nan8 | is there a pendant for pidstat -d (report process i/o stats) in etch / kernels < 2.6.20? |
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| 21:31.39 | cads | i installed cpufreqd as well, as well as trying some commandline cpu frequency stuff, but I'm still stuck, can't change the speed or governor.. any ideas? |
| 21:31.47 | dutchfish | nan8, i believe only below 2.6.17 |
| 21:32.15 | craigevil | cads: take a look at http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html |
| 21:32.28 | cads | thanks |
| 21:32.30 | nan8 | dutchfish: hmm - that would be? |
| 21:32.47 | dutchfish | nan8, etch when it was testing |
| 21:33.22 | nan8 | dutchfish: but the same mechanism as in 2.6.20? |
| 21:33.31 | dutchfish | nan8, as far as i know yes |
| 21:33.58 | dutchfish | nan8, unchanged since 2.6.18 |
| 21:34.37 | compengi | stew, it came with the server that i'm renting |
| 21:34.39 | enouf | cads: grep CONFIG_MPENTIUMM |
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| 21:34.52 | enouf | cads: grep CONFIG_MPENTIUMM /boot/config -`uname -r` |
| 21:35.00 | stew | compengi: then i'd suggest asking them |
| 21:35.04 | stew | compengi: or remove udev |
| 21:35.12 | compengi | stew, the package you mean? |
| 21:35.16 | stew | compengi: yes |
| 21:35.21 | stew | compengi: why are you installing kde on a server? |
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| 21:35.29 | enouf | heh |
| 21:35.38 | enouf | it's a G U I ! |
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| 21:37.58 | stew | compengi: i'd also ask them if this kenrel is up to date with all of the security patches debian has released for 2.6.18 |
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| 21:39.09 | nan8 | dutchfish: hmm the FAQ suggests CONFIG_TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING is only available in kernels >= 2.6.20 ? |
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| 21:39.56 | gewt | . |
| 21:40.11 | dandc | if my server is turning into a black hole (not responding to any network traffic), not writing to messages, and a hard drive replacement (and new OS install) doesn't fix it, what could be wrong? |
| 21:40.47 | cads | enough, all 4 lines are commented out |
| 21:40.58 | jelly-home | dandc: any number of things |
| 21:41.11 | mgrant_ | dand, do you have console access? What's on the vga screen or serial console? |
| 21:41.11 | dandc | I mean, it works perfect most of the time |
| 21:41.12 | nan8 | dutchfish: and looking at the 2.6.18 debian kernel source it seems it isn't available in 2.6.18 |
| 21:41.14 | dutchfish | nan8, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.28.y.git;a=commitdiff;h=18f705f49a5b19206233f7cef8f869ce7291f8c8;hp=8d06087714b78e8921bd30b5c64202fe80c47339 |
| 21:41.14 | jelly-home | dandc: if you have a serial port, try setting up a serial console |
| 21:41.43 | dandc | I have remote console, and it doesn't respond to that |
| 21:41.43 | dandc | it's a paid hosting deal |
| 21:41.43 | cads | enoug, including CONFIG_MPENTIUMM line |
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| 21:41.51 | jelly-home | dandc: not for responding, but merely to see the last output before if goes away |
| 21:42.02 | stew | dandc: i'd run memtest86+ to see if there is faulty memory |
| 21:42.11 | dandc | they replaced everything (supposedly) |
| 21:42.22 | cads | I was able to get the cpu frequency back down with cpufreq-set -d 600MHz |
| 21:42.25 | dutchfish | nan8, it has been changed, but it was in earlier: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fstable%2Flinux-2.6.28.y.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=TASK_IO_ACCOUNTING |
| 21:42.44 | dandc | latest was a hard drive replacement (which they certainly did, i had to set up the server all over again) |
| 21:42.53 | mgrant_ | I have a mystery, why would udev be installed on one install and not on another? Both were initially installed via dbootstrap and running in a xen domU. |
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| 21:43.12 | commander_ | hello |
| 21:43.18 | chrism | quick question guys, im using apache2 all of the config files are everything i found most of them but if i just want to change the port apache runs on i should only have to look at ports.conf and that other weird file 000-default under the sites enabled directory right? |
| 21:43.19 | stew | mgrant_: how were the kernels installed? |
| 21:43.36 | stew | mgrant_: usually the kernel pulls in udev via initramfs-tools |
| 21:43.39 | mgrant_ | They are both booted off the xen kernel outside the domU. |
| 21:43.40 | rdz | hi all. i try to compile a kernel module with dkms, however, it gives me an error: Error! DKMS tree does not contain: mceusb2-0.8.3~pre1 . how can i see, what the DKMS tree actually contains? |
| 21:44.03 | compengi | stew, is removing udev through apt-get remove udev? |
| 21:44.03 | mgrant_ | The kernels inside were installed I think probably by apt-get, honestly, that's a good question. |
| 21:44.21 | stew | compengi: sure |
| 21:44.39 | chrism | any idears/ |
| 21:44.43 | stew | mgrant_: does one have initramfs-tools installed and the other have yaird installed? |
| 21:44.47 | cads | very cool. craigevil, that guide has helped me out to enormously, I have everything working now |
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| 21:45.19 | mgrant_ | neither have yaird, but one has initramfs-tools because I updated the ramfs there. Ah so initramfs-tools brings in udev? |
| 21:45.36 | stew | mgrant_: yes, initramfs-tools depends on udev |
| 21:45.45 | mgrant_ | thanks, mystery solved. |
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| 21:46.52 | compengi | stew, is reboot required? |
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| 21:46.58 | stew | compengi: no |
| 21:47.41 | mgrant_ | By the way, this has caused some quite unexpected behavior with it assigning seemingly random eth<n> where <n> is an ever increasing number each time the domU starts and it is effected by udev being present. |
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| 21:48.09 | dandc | stew: how do I go about running memtest86+? All I can find is the floppy making utility |
| 21:48.39 | stew | mgrant_: a solution similar to that in "/msg dpkg forcedeth mac" would work for you if you don't want to regenerate a different initrd |
| 21:48.40 | mgrant_ | dandc, memtest is a floppy boot or cdrom boot, that's what I remember. |
| 21:48.48 | commander_ | how can i get debian? |
| 21:48.54 | dandc | i can't use that, I'm not local to the machine |
| 21:48.56 | commander_ | and what is the latest? |
| 21:49.01 | stew | dandc: installing memtest86+ should add a memtest boot target to grub which you can boot to instead of booting to debian |
| 21:49.09 | commander_ | OS from them// |
| 21:49.14 | dandc | it says it's already installed, but it's not a boot target |
| 21:49.22 | stew | commander_: the latest is 4.0r6 which you can get by going to debian.org and clicking "getting debian" |
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| 21:49.32 | commander_ | cool |
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| 21:50.51 | dutchfish | mgrant_, i found out that installing the linux-module sbrings in udev and related to, since dom-0 does not need its own kernel |
| 21:51.30 | mgrant_ | dutchfish, I think it's the initramfs-tools because that's exactly what I installed the other day. |
| 21:51.36 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i cannot find any working instructions for xnest |
| 21:51.41 | batman_ramirez | hi i mess with the bluetooth and now doest work.. how can i reinstallit |
| 21:51.46 | dutchfish | mgrant_, ok |
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| 21:52.39 | dutchfish | Ward1983, http://box.matto.nl/xnest.html |
| 21:53.14 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, not working |
| 21:53.17 | Ward1983 | allready found it |
| 21:53.36 | dutchfish | Ward1983, you carefully checked needed permissions? |
| 21:54.05 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, i run it as root to test so |
| 21:54.18 | dutchfish | Ward1983, hehe, no root |
| 21:54.30 | Ward1983 | ok any permissions instructions then? |
| 21:54.45 | tuxcrafter | hi all i bought a new laptop and it has a 0bda:8198 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. i cant get it to work with modprobe rtl8187 in lenny |
| 21:54.47 | dutchfish | Ward1983, its on those instructions ... ie use another use (not root) |
| 21:54.48 | tuxcrafter | why is this |
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| 21:56.14 | dutchfish | Ward1983, if everything fails maybe delv into Xephyr too, i didnt use xnest for a long time |
| 21:57.05 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, "Cannot establish any listening sockets - make sure an X server isnt allready running" |
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| 21:57.07 | dutchfish | Ward1983, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Multiterminal_with_Xephyr |
| 21:57.49 | simonrvn | "already" |
| 21:57.49 | RusBoy | guys where can i find fontforge up to date |
| 21:57.51 | RusBoy | for debian |
| 21:57.52 | RusBoy | ? |
| 21:57.59 | dutchfish | Ward1983, thta basically means you have to setup xorg.conf accordingly, ie separate screen devisions |
| 21:58.16 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, ah ok just like a real second screen? |
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| 21:58.24 | dutchfish | Ward1983, sor of, yes |
| 21:58.29 | dutchfish | s/sor/sort |
| 21:58.38 | commander_ | guys i'm trying to do it but it won't let me. i got a usb thumbdrive |
| 21:58.41 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, any examples? |
| 21:58.44 | commander_ | like it told me to |
| 21:58.47 | _037 | i am tryin to make an installable for a small C program i made.. my program needs to read some configuration from a .conf file. wer do i place the .conf file? n wat shud i write in make file for tat? |
| 21:58.53 | dutchfish | Ward1983, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Multiterminal_with_Xephyr has also more links on xnest |
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| 21:59.15 | commander_ | i need help getting 4.0 |
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| 22:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Would this license allow the package to be part of debian-nonfree (assuming the right to redistribute would be granted)? http://svn.pardus.org.tr/uludag/trunk/pisi/licenses/molmol |
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| 22:01.38 | mplabs | hi guys |
| 22:01.41 | Sebboh | Hi. The output of netstat abbreviates hostnames. Can I make it show the full hostname? Can some other tool do that? I just want to check if customers are actively using the server before I restart it. But I don't care if employees are using it. So I'd like to see the hostnames of active connections... |
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| 22:01.59 | mplabs | where is the log that appear on system starting ? (in tty1) |
| 22:02.12 | RusBoy | how do i update to latest x11 on my debian ? |
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| 22:02.41 | unkmar_ | What is the simpliest method to sync my clock and ensure the proper timezone setting? |
| 22:02.44 | JordiGH | RusBoy: Latest? The experimental one? |
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| 22:02.54 | JordiGH | unkmar_: ntp |
| 22:03.06 | RusBoy | JordiGH noep , lastest stable |
| 22:03.11 | RusBoy | i think my debian have old one |
| 22:03.30 | JordiGH | RusBoy: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 22:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions fontforge |
| 22:03.44 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: fontforge -- etch: 0.0.20061019-1 lenny: 0.0.20080429-1 sid: 0.0.20080429-1 |
| 22:04.09 | RusBoy | fontforge_full-20081224.tar.bz2 |
| 22:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | RusBoy, ^^ for fontforge in the different repositories |
| 22:04.14 | unkmar_ | JordiGH: Thank you. |
| 22:04.17 | RusBoy | this one i found |
| 22:04.18 | RusBoy | fontforge_full-20081224.tar.bz2 |
| 22:04.26 | RusBoy | is it fine for debian ? |
| 22:04.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you READ what judd and I told you? |
| 22:05.05 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, nowhere do they say how the receiver should be setup, this is only for windows inside the main screen |
| 22:05.37 | mplabs | where ca I found the log file ? :S |
| 22:06.09 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, also they speak of more then one videocard, i only have one |
| 22:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | RusBoy, use the debian package if you don't need the very very newest version - "/msg dpkg bpo" if the one in stable is too old and you want to use the one from sid |
| 22:06.14 | Ward1983 | else i would jsut attach another display |
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| 22:07.09 | dutchfish | Ward1983, i found so far this (also not that article where i was looking for) http://sd.wareonearth.com/woe/phil/xvr/index.htm |
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| 22:07.14 | rdz | anyone can help me using dkms correctly? |
| 22:07.28 | dutchfish | Ward1983, i am quiet sure, you can pull this off |
| 22:07.34 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, ah ok you know about a good article but you cannot find it? |
| 22:07.43 | dutchfish | Ward1983, yep |
| 22:07.48 | Ward1983 | ah damn |
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| 22:08.17 | Ward1983 | so far only the network part seems undocumented |
| 22:08.47 | Ward1983 | loooool "Silicon Graphics IRIS 4D workstations were used to test this texture mapping idea." |
| 22:09.01 | Ward1983 | so cool |
| 22:09.30 | abrotman | IRIX |
| 22:10.18 | commander_ | dutchfish can u help me please |
| 22:10.18 | Ward1983 | abrotman, i dont think so |
| 22:10.18 | abrotman | !tell Ward1983 about irix |
| 22:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do think so :) |
| 22:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but actually the IRIX machine we had was called iris - seems to be a common naming |
| 22:10.58 | nan8 | dutchfish: maybe using "bsd process accounting" might work on a standard etch kernel (CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT)? |
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| 22:11.30 | dutchfish | nan8, per pid accounting was later, 2.6.20 would match .... |
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| 22:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | the os is called irix ... but the workstations indeed are called ires: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=irix+workstation&word2=iris+workstation |
| 22:12.30 | dutchfish | nan8, process accounting itself is much older |
| 22:12.34 | stew | craigevil-eee: that license sucks |
| 22:12.40 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: ^^^ |
| 22:12.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/ires/iris/ |
| 22:12.46 | stew | craigevil-eee: (not you) |
| 22:12.49 | simonrvn | acct package, FYI |
| 22:13.34 | commander_ | hello |
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| 22:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, kind of... but it would allow redistribution of modified binaries (if that permission is granted) - I couldn't find the requirements for inclusion in the different repositories, so I wonder.... |
| 22:14.02 | nan8 | dutchfish: ah now i got it - i remembered i already did this once long time ago (acct and sa) - but yes it seems the stats are not per pid |
| 22:14.08 | dutchfish | commander_, help getting 4.0. you mean to get the netinstall? |
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| 22:14.21 | dutchfish | nan8, bingo |
| 22:14.26 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah but the "full package" requirements suck. the fact tht they want us to remove old versions sucks |
| 22:14.28 | simonrvn | the stats aren't, no |
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| 22:14.56 | commander_ | something like tht. i just want to download it and install the OS . i got a thumbdrive already plugged in |
| 22:15.01 | dutchfish | simonrvn, per pid accounting is in newer kernels, so |
| 22:15.29 | dutchfish | simonrvn, stable since 2.6.28? default yes |
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| 22:16.35 | dutchfish | commander_, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, oh, didn't see that bit |
| 22:17.53 | commander_ | ok.let me try it now D |
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| 22:18.14 | Ward1983 | abrotman, i just dont think they made a typo there, i know irix exists |
| 22:18.38 | dutchfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIX |
| 22:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, actually I don't see that - it only says "strongly suggested" - which means you may ignore that :) |
| 22:18.53 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i also wonder if them granting debian permission to redistribute repacked archives and modified versions and versions on media other than CDrom, floppy, etc is automatically extended to people running debian mirrors |
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| 22:19.05 | commander_ | dutch which one i go to? |
| 22:19.16 | dutchfish | commander_, what cpu? |
| 22:19.19 | stew | ...and the permission to package it with other software |
| 22:19.33 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: does a person running a mirror have to provide support for this software? |
| 22:19.39 | stew | it seems so |
| 22:19.54 | commander_ | no it says cd/dvd etc |
| 22:20.09 | dutchfish | commander_, what cpu you have? |
| 22:20.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yeah... that's what I thought is kind of the real problem - also distributions like ubuntu or sidux that are debian-based were not automatically allowed to redistribute |
| 22:20.45 | commander_ | intel centrino dual core 1.83ghz |
| 22:20.59 | nan8 | dutchfish: hmm it seems the "old style" process accounting has another problem: the info is only updated after the process exits? |
| 22:21.10 | dutchfish | commander_, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 22:21.29 | scientes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.30 | dutchfish | nan8, yes |
| 22:21.36 | scientes | i have a working serial cable (presumable null modem) |
| 22:21.41 | scientes | and im trying to put ethernet in that look , but i can only pass through 8 of 9 pins, which do i leae out, do i need to turn down the speed? |
| 22:21.50 | dutchfish | nan8, at least till 2.6.17 after that i am uncertian |
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| 22:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, well, are mirrors seen as redistribution? I would think that it's always Debian distributing things and the mirrors are just the infrastructure that allows Debian to do that efficiently... |
| 22:22.14 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: we don't care about ubuntu or sidux, they have to worry about themselves |
| 22:22.32 | pl_ | Hello. package in http://packages.debian.org/etch-volatile/spamassassin has version 3.2.3-0.volatile1. I have the volatile repository in my sources.list |
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| 22:22.47 | pl_ | but if I do 'aptitude install spamassassin', the old version is installed |
| 22:22.51 | pl_ | Can you tell why? |
| 22:23.00 | commander_ | dutch i have intel centrino 32bit |
| 22:23.07 | nan8 | dutchfish: so no way to identify a process doing heavy i/o in etch? |
| 22:23.16 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, let me know if you still find that link please, cannot seem to find info on how to do it over network |
| 22:23.22 | dutchfish | nan8, iostat? |
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| 22:23.30 | nan8 | dutchfish: not in etch |
| 22:23.37 | dutchfish | nan8, mm... |
| 22:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, one more question to a 2nd license - this page lists "sparky" as being open source http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Overview/software.html and links to a bsd-type license. Their download page links to this (rather minimalistic) license: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/sparky/sparky-license.html |
| 22:24.08 | dutchfish | nan8, you could delve into the /proc system itself |
| 22:24.30 | theholyduck | CutMeOwnThroat, so? |
| 22:24.35 | theholyduck | whats wrong with a minimalistic liscence? |
| 22:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, but the page linking to that 2nd license is as follows: "The license says Sparky is provided "as is" and you cannot redistribute it. " wtf?! |
| 22:24.47 | dutchfish | Ward1983, i am sorry google is farhting ont htis to me ... |
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| 22:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | theholyduck, I was coming to that :) |
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| 22:25.10 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, lol same here im also searching |
| 22:25.14 | theholyduck | CutMeOwnThroat, err |
| 22:25.14 | commander_ | dutch did u get me |
| 22:25.19 | theholyduck | the liscence says its distrebutable |
| 22:25.22 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: the license on http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/sparky/sparky-license.html is fine for non-free but not for main, since it doesn't allow the redistribution of modified copies |
| 22:25.24 | theholyduck | as long as you provide the liscence |
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| 22:25.45 | dutchfish | commander_, if you want 64 bit dl th elink i gave otherwise take the netinstall i386 ones |
| 22:25.49 | tuxcrafter | i got something strange i moved my linux system to an other computer |
| 22:25.55 | tuxcrafter | did an initramfs update |
| 22:26.09 | tuxcrafter | but during boot it takes far to long with loading kernel |
| 22:26.16 | tuxcrafter | there is no disk activity either |
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| 22:26.32 | dutchfish | commander_, like this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso (remember this is lenny) |
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| 22:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, not explicitly... doesn't say it prohibits it either... what about that sentence from the page that links there (http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/home/sparky/) that says you cannot redistribute it (in direct contradiction to what the license says)? |
| 22:27.46 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-439989.html |
| 22:27.47 | dutchfish | nan8, install the kernel doc of your kernel and delv einto that, i am sure it can be done |
| 22:28.14 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, seems to work so far but didnt alter xorg.conf yet |
| 22:28.14 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't allow for it and says "All rights reserved" |
| 22:28.44 | dutchfish | Ward1983, its about "virtual" maybeit is in the xorg doc |
| 22:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, also, the 1st link/license is from the same site(!) - so you can probably consider it as official as the 2nd one... so can one interpret that as "you're allowed to choose under which of those licenses you redistribute"? |
| 22:29.15 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: in this case you ask them for an explicit clarification |
| 22:29.24 | pl_ | So what't the idea with -volatile? Should I perform an 'apt-get -t volatile <package>' for every package I want to upgrade to the "volatile" version? |
| 22:29.42 | pl_ | That's not explained in volatile.debian.org, strange! |
| 22:29.47 | simonrvn | only very few packages would be in volatile |
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| 22:30.03 | commander_ | it doesn't go to my thumbdrive |
| 22:30.12 | simonrvn | suggestion: use aptitude |
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| 22:31.01 | pl_ | simonrvn: hey, aptitude acually prefers packages in -volatile |
| 22:31.14 | simonrvn | yes, that's intentional |
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| 22:31.28 | pl_ | ok, nice |
| 22:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ok, will do :) I did email with one of the main programmers, but wasn't aware of this dual/tripel license thing at the time (hadn't found the open-bsd-like license at that time), so I didn't ask the correct questions - I asked if they could switch it to GPL and he said switching to GPL would require to ask everyone involved which would be a big hassle... |
| 22:31.30 | pl_ | thank you |
| 22:31.36 | simonrvn | look at the debian version numbers |
| 22:31.40 | simonrvn | np |
| 22:31.42 | dutchfish | commander_, what you try to do? why dont you burn that iso or setup a bootable usb-stick? whatever you want. like: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 22:32.24 | compengi | stew, could this "xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)" result from udev removal? |
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| 22:33.06 | stew | compengi: no, since udev was never running on that machine |
| 22:33.15 | stew | (afaict) |
| 22:33.24 | stew | compengi: is /dev/ populated at all? |
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| 22:33.51 | compengi | stew, not sure |
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| 22:34.16 | simonrvn | *cough* ls |
| 22:34.18 | stew | compengi: does "ls /dev" return lots of stuff or nothing? |
| 22:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, they used to want money for non-commercial use, but I think they stopped doing it when they stopped development of // trying to get funding for development for the software... doesn't matter so much that there is not much active development, though - they keep fixing bugs and the program is pretty mature |
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| 22:35.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands simonrvn a lozenge against that cough. |
| 22:36.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks at Teletubbies |
| 22:36.22 | simonrvn | i always have a pack of halls strong in my pocket ;). essential to keep hitting those high notes, hehe |
| 22:36.40 | nan8 | dutchfish: i give up (at least for today) - thanks anyway |
| 22:36.42 | simonrvn | though bear root works better in my case. |
| 22:36.48 | dutchfish | nan8, gl |
| 22:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually uses a big stick for hitting things, including notes if high or sober. |
| 22:37.40 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: well they are going to have the same problem making it free under any license that they have making it free under the GPL |
| 22:37.54 | compengi | stew, there are lots of output |
| 22:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yeah, in principle - but it seems they *did* switch it to this bsd-alike license... and as the chap wasn't aware of it without asking everybody (or he forgot) |
| 22:38.54 | Ward1983 | dutchfish, lol this is annoying, now i can start x sessions from my "server", but then its display :1 of my "client"... so server cannot show anything on it |
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| 22:39.44 | halflife08 | list |
| 22:40.01 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean they relicensed it without asking the copyright holders? or what do you mean by "without asking everybody" |
| 22:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, but I guess the modified openbsd license would be ok even for main (modification is to retain the original copyright in source+binary) |
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| 22:40.48 | Ward1983 | does anyone use xnest to have a desktop on another machine on the network? |
| 22:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, how should I know... but yes, thats what I suspect (or he was asked and forgot about it?) |
| 22:41.06 | commander_ | all it's doing is downloading i386 cd image something |
| 22:41.34 | Khyota | im quite new here to debian, i need to setup a network bridge, is there a way i can do it with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 22:41.49 | dutchfish | commander_, sure, thenyou can install, what do you mean? |
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| 22:42.22 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: if it was relicensed without asking the copyright holders, it was not really relicensed and not distributable under the new license |
| 22:42.30 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: where is this modified openbsd license? |
| 22:42.48 | commander_ | all i'm seeing on my browser is downloading debian i386 netinst |
| 22:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | was the 1st link I pasted, mom... |
| 22:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | there: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Overview/software.html |
| 22:43.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | err... one link further: http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/Overview/opensource.html |
| 22:43.34 | commander_ | iso |
| 22:43.41 | dutchfish | commander_, yes, you have to burn that or prepare a bootable usb-stick, as i told you before |
| 22:44.03 | dutchfish | commander_, then boot from it to install |
| 22:44.19 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, that license would be fine for main |
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| 22:45.19 | commander_ | i got a thumbdrive in the port now |
| 22:45.27 | commander_ | been in there for the longest |
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| 22:45.32 | dutchfish | commander_, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apa.html |
| 22:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so just gotta get a clarification if this license is really a valid one... although it *IS* on their official server like the other license and everything else |
| 22:46.18 | NickMind_XPBOX | Ward1983 is xnest another way to do XDMCP? |
| 22:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, thanks for the info |
| 22:46.47 | Ward1983 | googles xdmcp |
| 22:47.25 | Ward1983 | NickMind_XPBOX, im not sure but i need an intire desktop in a window on another machine |
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| 22:48.27 | RusBoy | guys |
| 22:48.30 | RusBoy | if i run di-m |
| 22:48.36 | RusBoy | i see 1 partition of 750gb |
| 22:48.46 | RusBoy | but if i run cfdisk i have more 750gb |
| 22:48.53 | RusBoy | how can i make one more partition ? |
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| 22:49.06 | dutchfish | Ward1983, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager |
| 22:49.35 | NickMind_XPBOX | Ward1983: i am not helping by asking question, but you desribe like a desktop terminal server type connect |
| 22:50.11 | NickMind_XPBOX | if so, please let me know if I am wrong i thought X.org did that for you natively? |
| 22:51.18 | NickMind_XPBOX | X what i just said... Xnest lets you open that desktop session in a window |
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| 22:51.42 | Ward1983 | NickMind_XPBOX, sorry i don't understand most of what you just said |
| 22:51.48 | dutchfish | NickMind_XPBOX, he wants to switch back and forth between a local and one more remoteones |
| 22:51.51 | Ward1983 | my english is not perfect and it seems a bit chaotic |
| 22:51.55 | NickMind_XPBOX | just like Remote Desktop Connection with Widows |
| 22:52.22 | Ward1983 | no then i would use vnc |
| 22:52.28 | NickMind_XPBOX | dutchfish: i don't know what he wants |
| 22:52.35 | Ward1983 | then scroll up... |
| 22:52.54 | Ward1983 | i want a second display / desktop in a window |
| 22:52.57 | Ward1983 | on another machine |
| 22:53.01 | Ward1983 | thats it in a nutshell |
| 22:53.34 | NickMind_XPBOX | on vnc is the connect to a desktop on that remote system, |
| 22:53.47 | Ward1983 | lol what |
| 22:53.58 | NickMind_XPBOX | xnest open a new desktop connecting to the x window server |
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| 22:54.31 | Ward1983 | yes thats what Xnest does |
| 22:54.35 | Ward1983 | in a nutshell |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | vnc? xrdp? remote X? |
| 22:54.52 | Ward1983 | i dont need/want vnc though |
| 22:55.13 | NickMind_XPBOX | abrotman: remote X is what he wants. |
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| 22:55.47 | JW | How to you permenetly raise the default ulimit for a user? |
| 22:55.50 | NickMind_XPBOX | xnest will do that for yuo Ward1983, so what is your question? |
| 22:56.03 | Ward1983 | NickMind_XPBOX, i did not ask you a thing... |
| 22:56.08 | JW | docs on the web indicate /etc/security/limits.conf but that's not having any effect |
| 22:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Ward1983, if you just want a window from a 2nd machine alone, you can ssh -X into that machine and start the graphical application |
| 22:56.22 | Ward1983 | NickMind_XPBOX, you started giving "advice" while not even knowing remotely what i needed or what i asked |
| 22:56.31 | Ward1983 | CutMeOwnThroat, i know thats not what i want |
| 22:56.53 | themill | Ward1983: can you have another go at describing what you do want? |
| 22:57.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, obviously I can't guess either what it IS you want |
| 22:57.17 | Ward1983 | perfect i found it :) |
| 22:57.35 | Ward1983 | themill, never mind just found a solution that probably will work for what i need |
| 22:57.38 | Ward1983 | need to test it |
| 22:57.42 | NickMind_XPBOX | Ward1983: did i say you ask me a question? I asking you what your quesition is? |
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| 22:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what IS the solution, then? |
| 22:57.55 | NickMind_XPBOX | ok great |
| 22:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps we'll find out what the question was from the solution... that'd be... wossname... |
| 22:58.20 | newsense_ | ok since Ward1983 has his solution i have some x remote thing i want to do shall i explain what i want ? |
| 22:58.24 | NickMind_XPBOX | CutMeOwnThroat: to stop talking to us about it! hahaha |
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| 22:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | trivial pursuit? |
| 22:58.58 | Ward1983 | newsense_, nobody will stop you lol |
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| 22:59.06 | dutchfish | !coffee CutMeOwnThroat |
| 22:59.06 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of hippy-blend Jamaican Blue Mountain for CutMeOwnThroat, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 22:59.22 | Ward1983 | ooooh hippy-blend |
| 22:59.23 | Ward1983 | i want onetoo |
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| 22:59.30 | newsense_ | i have an xserver running and i want to login from my sisters microsoft os and access my xserver here |
| 22:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, not trivial pursuit... that show anyways, where the guys get the answer and have to guess the question |
| 22:59.41 | meyou | blue mountain is yummy |
| 22:59.42 | Ward1983 | newsense_, vnc |
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| 22:59.45 | meyou | jeopardy? |
| 22:59.46 | meyou | lol |
| 22:59.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks dpkg... :) |
| 23:00.00 | newsense_ | wow its that easy |
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| 23:00.09 | Ward1983 | newsense_, you would need a VNC server though |
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| 23:00.22 | Ward1983 | newsense_, but thats trivial to setup |
| 23:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jeopardy! yes |
| 23:00.31 | newsense_ | cool i thought it would be hard |
| 23:00.35 | gewt | is tehre a apckage containign mdconfig? |
| 23:00.36 | newsense_ | msg dpkg vnc |
| 23:00.39 | newsense_ | doh |
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| 23:00.47 | Ward1983 | newsense_, or ssh -X but over the internet thats rather slow |
| 23:01.10 | gewt | i can't find dmconfig at all -_- |
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| 23:01.17 | Ward1983 | newsense_, system -> preferences -> remote desktop |
| 23:01.42 | Ward1983 | newsense_, well i think, i use a dutch debian so i had to translate that and hope its correct (might be different words) |
| 23:01.57 | newsense_ | Ward1983, would i be connecting to my current running session or would i be starting a new one ? |
| 23:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense_, there's even a vnc server that allows you to connect to your existing X11 session (called x11vnc) - it's pretty neat and easy to use if you're already logged in (gets a bit complicated if there's a loginscreen on, as you have to get the magic cookie) |
| 23:02.28 | newsense_ | cool thats what i want exactly thanks guys |
| 23:02.51 | compengi | does debian come usually with IPv6 setup when it's detected? or it's every person's choice to whether to setup it or not |
| 23:03.02 | Ward1983 | newsense_, to your current running one |
| 23:03.31 | newsense_ | Ward1983, yeah thats what i want to do |
| 23:03.58 | Ward1983 | newsense_, thats very easy trough the menu like i said, there you can setup your VNC server |
| 23:04.11 | Ward1983 | newsense_, just make sure the port is forwarded if you're behind a router |
| 23:04.25 | newsense_ | only question i really have as i know very little about windows is what do i use on that end |
| 23:04.47 | Ward1983 | there are multiple free VNC clients for windows |
| 23:04.56 | Ward1983 | you do not even need to install them |
| 23:04.58 | newsense_ | oh ok great |
| 23:05.01 | Ward1983 | jsut a exe is enough |
| 23:05.15 | newsense_ | wasnt sure if they had something built in or not |
| 23:05.48 | newsense_ | man i thought this was going to be a big all day thing, Ward1983 , i noticed you have been on your issue for some time |
| 23:05.51 | Ward1983 | newsense_, http://downloads.sourceforge.net/vnc-tight/tightvnc-1.3.9_x86_viewer.zip |
| 23:06.00 | Ward1983 | newsense_, for example that one |
| 23:06.16 | Ward1983 | newsense_, i do not want to do the same :) |
| 23:06.23 | newsense_ | Ward1983, great ill use that one |
| 23:06.33 | Ward1983 | newsense_, also i work in the meantime and do other stuff :) |
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| 23:06.46 | newsense_ | Ward1983, i understand that but i didnt really understand what you were trying to do but im sure its a lot more complex |
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| 23:07.12 | Ward1983 | newsense_, its not complex, just not everyday stuff |
| 23:07.12 | Ward1983 | so hard to find help and docs |
| 23:07.44 | matmo | evening all. Upgraded to etchnhalf, now can't compile modules, something about "cflags changed". cure? |
| 23:08.24 | themill | matmo: any chance you can be more specific that "something"? A real error message (the entire output including the command you gave!) would be helpful |
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| 23:08.34 | newsense_ | Ward1983, what if i wanted to download a file from my box while im at my sisters without setting up an ftp |
| 23:08.42 | newsense_ | Ward1983, vnc do this already ? |
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| 23:09.23 | Ward1983 | newsense_, then you would probably like to use SCP (is part of ssh) |
| 23:09.34 | Ward1983 | newsense_, dunno if putty supports it though |
| 23:09.47 | Ward1983 | newsense_, but i remember there are tools for windows for SCP |
| 23:09.52 | Ward1983 | just not which |
| 23:09.56 | matmo | themill: nope, sorry, another machine, minimal install and no easy way to get the info over. Seems to be a common problem in forums but no clear solution |
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| 23:10.08 | newsense_ | is vnc the most common way of doing what i want to do? |
| 23:10.21 | newsense_ | imguessing scp requires a running ssh server |
| 23:10.50 | matmo | themill: if it's any help I get the same error on any/all modules using m-a |
| 23:10.53 | newsense_ | maybe ssh -X might be better than, i hate to have too many open services |
| 23:11.27 | compengi | is the package for "ifconfig" in debian called libnet-ifconfig-wrapper-perl |
| 23:11.28 | compengi | ? |
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| 23:11.40 | newsense_ | commander_, dpkg -S ifconfig |
| 23:11.41 | themill | matmo: that's not particularly helpful unfortunately. There should be nothing about the etchnhalf setup that prevents you from compiling modules (I did it many times). Perhaps try running "m-a prepare" to make sure you've got the kernel headers etc installed. |
| 23:11.43 | newsense_ | err |
| 23:11.55 | newsense_ | compengi, , dpkg -S ifconfig |
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| 23:12.35 | themill | newsense_: you'd run x11vnc over an ssh connection anyway so that the vnc connection is tunnelled (encrypted) and possibly compressed. |
| 23:12.51 | compengi | newsense_, it shows stuff installed, but "ifconfig" still doesn't work |
| 23:12.53 | matmo | themill: yep, did m-a prepare, etc. Poss mismatched kernel/sources so I added lenny source to pkg sources but no luck |
| 23:13.10 | Ward1983 | ah crap |
| 23:13.13 | Ward1983 | nope solution is not working |
| 23:13.15 | Ward1983 | im giving up |
| 23:13.22 | newsense_ | compengi, you root |
| 23:13.37 | themill | compengi: run it as /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:13.42 | compengi | oh |
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| 23:13.45 | Ward1983 | newsense_, yes it is |
| 23:13.47 | newsense_ | themill, ok i guess i would have got that by looking at the packages depends, sorry |
| 23:13.48 | themill | matmo: ahh.. you don't want to be mixing lenny and etchnhalf. That's only going to lead to tears. |
| 23:14.03 | Ward1983 | newsense_, and yes you will need a ssh server ( apt-get install openssh-server ) |
| 23:14.10 | matmo | themill: I thought so too but desperate ;-) |
| 23:14.22 | Ward1983 | ssh -X yourlogin@yourhostnameorIP |
| 23:14.32 | newsense_ | Ward1983, great i guess its x11vnc+scp for me ! |
| 23:14.33 | themill | newsense_: probably not... you don't *have* to run x11vnc over ssh, it's just a good idea to do so. |
| 23:14.37 | Firestarter- | this is just so funny had to post it here |
| 23:14.40 | Firestarter- | ?Nigel:?id?love?it?if?i?could?plug?in?a?linux?disc.?and?it?would?uninstall?everything?but?data?files?that?i? |
| 23:14.40 | Firestarter- | specify.?and?reinstall?a?working?os?with?corresponsing?apps? |
| 23:14.43 | Ward1983 | newsense_, oh -X is not needed |
| 23:15.17 | themill | newsense_: some vnc clients and servers will do file transfer for you. nfc which ones though |
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| 23:15.39 | matmo | themill: great, I have ssh to the machine |
| 23:15.40 | compengi | themill, nope, didn't help |
| 23:16.06 | newsense_ | themill, x11vnc support it offhand if ya dont mind answering another question i should probobly be looking up myself :) |
| 23:16.18 | Ward1983 | newsense_, also i think its time for a persistent live installation on a USB stick so you can avoid your sisters annoying windows :) |
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| 23:16.24 | themill | compengi: in what way? Exact error messages help... |
| 23:16.37 | newsense_ | Ward1983, dude thats what i was thinking too ! |
| 23:16.38 | d0uglas | Hi. I'm looking for a little program that will ping a host and send an email if it doesn't get a reply for X minutes, something like that so I can be alerted if another server is either down or its connection is. Anything like that? |
| 23:16.39 | compengi | themill, $ ifconfig |
| 23:16.39 | compengi | -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 23:16.51 | compengi | themill, $ ifconfig -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 23:16.55 | Ward1983 | newsense_, then google unetbootin it couldnt be easyer |
| 23:17.18 | newsense_ | Ward1983, thats another thing i was going to look into but she just got the computer and its her first one and i dont know how shell feel about me rebooting into my usb install |
| 23:17.28 | themill | compengi: yes, so run it as /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:17.28 | Ward1983 | newsense_, basically oyu just need to setup the right partitioning, and choose a distro that supports it |
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| 23:17.42 | compengi | themill, sudo /sbin/ifconfig? |
| 23:17.50 | themill | compengi: no. just /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:18.01 | compengi | oh |
| 23:18.02 | Ward1983 | newsense_, if its her first one then act like its the most normal thing to do :p |
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| 23:18.22 | Ward1983 | newsense_, also you cannot break her system booting from USB, jsut dont mount her disk |
| 23:18.41 | Ward1983 | and if you ever need something from it mount it readonly |
| 23:18.42 | newsense_ | Ward1983, haha yeah really what does she know, maybe ill bring a debian cd with and after i hookm up the peripherals ill tell her its time to install |
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| 23:19.27 | Ward1983 | newsense_, lol that would be rude, but let her use the persistent USB sometimes if she seems to like it, thats the ideal way to get into linux for new users imho |
| 23:19.37 | newsense_ | Ward1983, theoretically and distro should install to usb right, i mean what does the installer know besides its a disk like any other |
| 23:19.40 | Ward1983 | they generally dont want to fiddle witl multiboot |
| 23:19.44 | compengi | themill, thanks. btw, any ideas if there is a specific setup for ipv6 on debian etch? |
| 23:19.49 | Ward1983 | newsense_, offcourse if you just install |
| 23:20.08 | themill | compengi: nope. If you have a specific question, then ask the channel though. |
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| 23:20.10 | newsense_ | im going to do that now i got a 4gig thumbdrive |
| 23:20.11 | Ward1983 | newsense_, persistent liveUSB takes it one step further as you can boot it on all hardware the liveCD supports |
| 23:20.20 | Ward1983 | and yet you can install stuff |
| 23:20.25 | Ward1983 | and keep files, etc |
| 23:20.34 | d0uglas | Would nagios do the trick for me? Run it on one machine to keep an eye on another remote machine and alert me if there's no sign of life? |
| 23:20.37 | Ward1983 | (no kernel updates or anything fancy though) |
| 23:20.50 | newsense_ | default debian initramfs if i dont choose selective at the kernel install part should do it no ? |
| 23:21.03 | compengi | how do i setup ipv6 on debian etch? any specific guides? |
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| 23:21.24 | Ward1983 | newsense_, talking about? |
| 23:21.59 | simonrvn | a new generation |
| 23:22.02 | newsense_ | Ward1983, during debian install when it asks if you want a smaller customized kernel, cant remember the exact wording |
| 23:22.17 | newsense_ | Ward1983, from advanced install that is |
| 23:22.22 | Ward1983 | newsense_, ah no i think standard should do just fine, i never installed debian on a USB drive |
| 23:22.24 | newsense_ | Ward1983, err expert |
| 23:22.28 | simonrvn | 'expert' |
| 23:22.32 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 23:22.37 | newsense_ | simonrvn, thanks :) |
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| 23:22.39 | Ward1983 | never even used expert |
| 23:22.50 | newsense_ | try it its great |
| 23:23.05 | Ward1983 | whats great about it? |
| 23:23.09 | Ward1983 | i never saw it so i dunno lol |
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| 23:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense_, the point of vnc is that it allows to see your existing windows..... I can e.g. ssh into my box from home, run x11vnc then connect to the vnc server and ... dunno close xchat or do things in windows that are already there |
| 23:23.55 | simonrvn | it asks you a lot more questions ;). |
| 23:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, that's not great :) |
| 23:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | (just more tiresome) |
| 23:24.39 | newsense_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah i got that part but im looking into all my options and i think the vnc and the usb install will give me all the flexibility i should ever require |
| 23:25.00 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: that's exactly why i don't use expert mode |
| 23:25.17 | Ward1983 | simonrvn, questions about? anything usefull? |
| 23:25.30 | simonrvn | useful; yes. |
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| 23:25.47 | Ward1983 | as in? |
| 23:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | "would you like some chocolate ice-cream now" |
| 23:26.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm |
| 23:26.10 | matmo | themill: where is the m-a log located? I can maybe more specific now |
| 23:26.25 | nat2610 | hey I'm trying to make a deb package for a program I wrote but I'm not to sure how to deal with the fact that I don't want to give the source code |
| 23:26.25 | Ward1983 | XDCC's CutMeOwnThroat some chocolate ice-cream |
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| 23:26.48 | themill | matmo: have a look in /var/cache/modass |
| 23:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I prefer vanilla :) |
| 23:26.54 | nat2610 | am I supposed to distribute the compiled strip binaries made on my computer ? |
| 23:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | but thx |
| 23:27.05 | Ward1983 | XDCC's CutMeOwnThroat some vanilla ice-cream |
| 23:27.09 | simonrvn | nat2610: that's really useful. |
| 23:27.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | starts eating his two ice-creams |
| 23:27.45 | simonrvn | damn, man, 2 ice creams |
| 23:27.52 | RusBoy | guys anyone can help me with creating raid0 partition ? |
| 23:28.00 | RusBoy | i had raid1 i destroyed it |
| 23:28.05 | nat2610 | ok, I meant is that the right way to do ? Is my binary will work on other people's computer no mater what the architecture is (64 and 32 bits( |
| 23:28.05 | RusBoy | now i have 1 partition |
| 23:28.06 | nat2610 | ) |
| 23:28.08 | Ward1983 | XDCC's simonrvn some vanilla and chocolate ice-cream |
| 23:28.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | XDCC's the (not yet touched) chocolate ice-cream to simonrvn |
| 23:28.09 | RusBoy | and free space |
| 23:28.15 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 23:28.31 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 23:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nat2610, guess that's completely up to you... |
| 23:28.41 | simonrvn | nummies nomnomnom |
| 23:28.42 | newsense_ | is installing x11vnc and sshd now, is there any debian project devoted to installs on usb or should the default kernel have support for enough hardware ? |
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| 23:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is |
| 23:29.22 | Ward1983 | or better yet: is there a debian livecd that supoprts persistent USB installation? |
| 23:29.23 | newsense_ | i am picky and wont run any other distro btw |
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| 23:29.26 | simonrvn | nat2610: no. considering that debian supports upwards of 11-13 architectures. |
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| 23:30.11 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 23:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense_, /msg dpkg usb install |
| 23:30.33 | nat2610 | simonrvn, what does that mean "11-13 architectures." |
| 23:30.57 | newsense_ | you guys have been a big help |
| 23:31.30 | newsense_ | i dont think ive got this much great info in such a short period ever |
| 23:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !architecture |
| 23:31.49 | dpkg | somebody said architecture was a word for a design concept, it can be applied to software and hardware. In the common sense, it is often used as a synonym for "processor type", although that's not quite correct. |
| 23:32.05 | matmo | themill: see #flood |
| 23:32.10 | lgbr | themill: you about? |
| 23:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | he used it in the "processor type" sense |
| 23:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or more preciese: "machine type" |
| 23:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/preciese/precisely/ |
| 23:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nat2610, ^^ |
| 23:33.45 | themill | matmo: err... not many people tend to actually be in #flood. A pastebin is much more convenient for everyone. |
| 23:33.58 | themill | lgbr: it would seem so |
| 23:34.36 | nat2610 | I see, so I have to be compatible with architecture 11 (which I guess is i386) in order to be compatible with everybody else |
| 23:34.53 | lgbr | themill: A sarge chroot was the ticket to making gaussian work. |
| 23:34.54 | lgbr | themworks pretty well, actually |
| 23:35.05 | themill | lgbr: excellent! |
| 23:35.55 | lgbr | I had fun giving chemists a headache this morning explaining what a chroot was and how it worked |
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| 23:36.21 | themill | lgbr: oh dear. poor things. Are you running it inside a chroot too? or just compiling it? |
| 23:36.28 | newsense_ | CutMeOwnThroat, hmm the instruction there seem to be for putting the installer on a usb drive not installing to but im sure ill figure it out |
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| 23:37.14 | lgbr | themill: just compiling. I use mount -o bind on my gaussian directory to make life easy |
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| 23:37.40 | matmo | themill: http://pastebin.com/m7db8455e |
| 23:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nat2610, to answer your original question: there have to be two different binaries for i386 and amd64 - and as simonrv pointed out, debian supports many more architectures than those two |
| 23:37.56 | isbear | newsense_, I tried manual at feraga.com, but both times my usb sticks end with badblocks even before end of installation :/ |
| 23:38.23 | themill | lgbr: I hope that doesn't prove too fragile a solution over time. Also remember not to start running exposed services from that chroot as sarge isn't getting security support any more. |
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| 23:38.45 | lgbr | themill: Sarge is there for nothing but compiles |
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| 23:38.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense_, hmmm. Right.. .remember that now :) I guess you can just do a regular install from net-cd to the stick - whatever that guide says about getting the usb stick to boot still applies |
| 23:38.56 | themill | lgbr: yep |
| 23:39.01 | newsense_ | isbear, hmm i hope i dont have that problem, i would like to put an installer and an install on it if possible but i dont think that would work |
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| 23:39.28 | themill | matmo: are you using the debian packages for ndiswrapper? |
| 23:39.36 | lgbr | themill: and since it's an HPC, it denies any IPs outside of our Class B anyway |
| 23:39.37 | mohadib | anyone have any luck playing games in fullscreen with multiple displays |
| 23:39.44 | mohadib | my mouse wont stay in game |
| 23:39.50 | mohadib | i use xinerama fwiw |
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| 23:40.19 | newsense_ | ill call it my super leet usb stick, debian installed on it, debian installer on it, putty/vnc client/my crypto keys |
| 23:40.22 | matmo | themill: I'm using module-assistant, doesn't that get what ever is needed? |
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| 23:41.05 | themill | lgbr: of course. standard practice etc. Do you need to give your local users root privs to get the chroot working then? Or do they have them anyway? |
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| 23:41.47 | matmo | themill: I'm using module-assistant, doesn't that get what ever is needed? (repeat, I disconnected) |
| 23:41.51 | themill | matmo: what version of the ndiswrapper-source package do you have installed? |
| 23:41.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nat2610, this is at least true if you're using any shared libraries... I'm not completely sure about that, but statically linked binaries could run on any 64-bit machine, even if it runs a 32-bit linux (except if the 32bit kernel prevents access to 64bit cpu features that it doesn't know about) |
| 23:42.13 | lgbr | themill: The only person who cares to compile gaussian has root access anyway, so it's not a problem for her |
| 23:43.27 | themill | *nod* |
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| 23:44.07 | themill | lgbr: glad to hear it worked out for you then... hope the next step of actually getting something useful out of gaussian goes just a easily (if not more easily!) |
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| 23:45.13 | lgbr | themill: we're trying to use the less oppressive NWChem, but it requires a kernel module for our 10G fiber cards which is out for 2.6.25, but not 2.6.26 yet. That's my next challenge :) |
| 23:45.48 | matmo | themill: debian newby here, how do I find out? |
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| 23:46.12 | n3kl | Can someone tell me why I have to update nsswitch.conf if I am using pam? Shouldn't I just be able to edit the pam module and be done with it? |
| 23:46.39 | themill | matmo: "dpkg -l ndiswrapper-source" will have the version in it. |
| 23:46.41 | nat2610 | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm looking at this page http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/ but I don't see any reference to those architecture details ... my project is a c++ application using static and dynamic libraries ... (and I will provide most of them) |
| 23:46.55 | nat2610 | the one that I don't provide are depencies... |
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| 23:47.58 | stoned | gekki tgere |
| 23:48.02 | stoned | hello there |
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| 23:48.33 | matmo | themill: 1.28-1 (but note that other module builds fail with same error) |
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| 23:49.35 | themill | matmo: that version looks quite sensible for etch. I've never seen this and can't think what else could be causing it. |
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| 23:50.17 | [twisti] | hi, im a total noob to debian. how would i go about finding out how to install/set up sshd ? i dont want to be told how to do it, but how to find that information |
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| 23:50.46 | themill | [twisti]: aptitude install ssh |
| 23:50.49 | mohadib | [twisti]: apt-get install ssh |
| 23:51.00 | [twisti] | thanks |
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| 23:51.08 | x1250 | aptitude install openssh-server |
| 23:51.11 | Nameeatr | is the debian etch installer cd able to resize a ntfs partition? |
| 23:51.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nat2610, it does... these instructions are for a single architecture (or for the architecture "all" if they contain only portable things like shell/perl/python scripts) |
| 23:51.37 | themill | [twisti]: if you didn't know it, you would need to find out the package name, e.g. "apt-cache search sshd" |
| 23:51.48 | [twisti] | i see |
| 23:52.15 | Ward1983 | Nameeatr, gparted has a liveCD you could check if you can do it with that, i dunno if the debian isntaller can do it |
| 23:52.27 | [twisti] | it wants me to insert some cdrom (which i do not have) |
| 23:52.57 | Ward1983 | [twisti], get rid of the cdrom source in your software sources |
| 23:53.02 | themill | [twisti]: you'll need to edit (as root) your /etc/apt/sources.list and put a # in front of the lines that have a cdrom in them |
| 23:53.13 | Nameeatr | Ward1983: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 23:53.18 | Ward1983 | [twisti], system -> administration -> software sources |
| 23:53.32 | themill | [twisti]: make sure you've got a normal mirror line and a line for security.debian.org in there too. |
| 23:53.42 | Ward1983 | [twisti], then third party software tabe and there you can disable cdrom |
| 23:53.46 | Ward1983 | tabe == tab |
| 23:54.31 | [twisti] | Ward1983: im trying not to use the gui stuff since its for a server, but thanks |
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| 23:55.12 | Ward1983 | [twisti], nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:55.37 | Blabla | http://meinegeileex.piranho.de/?id=61270975 |
| 23:55.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lgbr, there's "psi3" in debian - did you ever have a look at that? (And if so, is it any good?) |
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| 23:56.54 | lgbr | CutMeOwnThroat: You mean as an alternative to gaussian/nwchem? Sadly switching QM codes is often impossible and you kind of need them all |
| 23:57.14 | [twisti] | ok, now for a complicated question: how do i turn off the monitor (go to powersafve mode/dpms) with debian ? |
| 23:57.45 | abrotman | !tell [twisti] about dmps |
| 23:58.08 | RusBoy | anyone here can help me with cfdisk ? |
| 23:58.16 | [twisti] | i take it that was supposed to ilicit some sort of bot response ? |
| 23:58.46 | dmoerner | [twisti]: it did, see the message that dpkg sent you |
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| 23:59.04 | matmo | themill: here's a recent post, same issue, no answer: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=27876&highlight=cflags+changed |
| 23:59.07 | [twisti] | nobody named dpkg sent me any message |
| 23:59.12 | [twisti] | nor named otherwise, for that matter |
| 23:59.35 | stew | [twisti]: which irc client are you using? |
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| 23:59.57 | [twisti] | one that doesnt block private messages ;) mirc |
