IRC log for #debian on 20090127

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00:00.22stew[twisti]: can you send "dpms" in a private message to dpkg ?
00:00.27abrotmandid you check all windows?
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00:00.34[twisti]that worked, thanks
00:00.43CutMeOwnThroatlgbr, yes... kind of...there's probably no real free alternative to gaussian (although I never used it  - I think Uni Karlsruhe where I was previously had an issue with it)
00:00.59[twisti]"In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. "
00:01.02[twisti]i dont know what that means
00:01.19CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, and I thought you're still ignored :)
00:01.21lgbrCutMeOwnThroat: Everyone has issue with it :)
00:01.26abrotman?
00:01.32abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: nah .. just a few days usually
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00:02.14stew[twisti]: what version of debian are you running?  are you running X?
00:02.26CutMeOwnThroatlgbr, seems so... just read an article on such issues mentioning http://bannedbygaussian.org/
00:02.37themillmatmo: ahh... in that thread they suggest grabbing the ndiswrapper source packages from lenny and recompiling then on etch. To do that, follow the instructions from /msg dpkg ssb. BTW are you sure you need ndiswrapper for your card?
00:02.44[twisti]im running X (but tomorrow i want to try to get rid of that, its a server)
00:02.49[twisti]i dont know how to tell the version
00:03.10stew[twisti]: if you are getting rid of x, you can ignore everything up to this point, there is no point of configuring x if you are going to get rid of it
00:03.14lgbrCutMeOwnThroat: yes, it seems we have found a software vendor worse than Apple
00:03.28[twisti]well, i dont want to configure X, i just want the monitor to turn off
00:03.52stew[twisti]: "/msg dpkg screen blanking" you should be able to configure the console screen blanking with setterm
00:04.02[twisti]thank you
00:04.26stew[twisti]: or with "setterm -powerdown 1" or so to have it power down the monitor after 1 minute
00:04.58[twisti]can i find some documentation for that somewhere ?
00:05.07stew[twisti]: man setterm
00:05.10[twisti]also, do i have to shut down x (and how) to make that count ?
00:05.18CutMeOwnThroatlgbr, hehe... I wouldn't know... never had dealings with either
00:05.23stew[twisti]: count?
00:05.28matmothemill: yes I could get the lenny sources but for *all* modules? I need others too, eg, gspca. I had wifi working, v4l nearly working and now going backwards after kernel upgrade to sort out final (ha!) v4l problem.
00:05.50[twisti]well, if i configure the term via setterm, but x is still running, will the screen still turn off ?
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00:06.17themillmatmo: no idea... doesn't sound right though.
00:06.21matmothemill: ndiswrapper + wpa_supplicant had my cheapo usb wifi working perfectly
00:06.27stew[twisti]: it depends on which vt is active.  do you just want to remove X ?
00:06.38[twisti]i dont care for x, so sure
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00:06.45stew[twisti]: aptitude remove x11-common
00:07.11[twisti]will that work while x is still running ?
00:07.51matmothemill: well thanks for your help. Can you nominate someone who might know the solution to the general problem of m-a failing on building?
00:07.54stew[twisti]: yes.  if you just want to stop x, you can run "/etc/init.d/?dm stop" probably
00:08.10[twisti]no, as long as it works, thats fine, thank you
00:08.47[twisti]im sorry if i seem somewhat daft, the last time i unsed any linux was in like 1999 and X was still some slow ass crappy copy of win 3.1
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00:09.42themillmatmo: put the output of "apt-cache policy" and a fresh buildlog (the entire thing) together in a pastebin and ask the channel about it
00:10.34matmothemill: will do, thanks
00:11.06newsense_i see its possible to install debian and put a debian installer on a usb drive and boot as long as the bios supports it, is it also possible to have a debian install and an installer on the same usb drive and possibly be able to either boot the install or run the installer ?
00:12.38alsd_newsense_: requires quite a few tricks but it sounds possible
00:13.06newsense_i backed up my usb drive and am ready to partition it, i basically want to have a debian install thats bootable and an installer thats bootable and a seperate fat partition
00:13.18newsense_im crazy i guess
00:13.39newsense_alsd_, yeah i thought so
00:14.36alsd_newsense_: there's the hd-media installer ready to install from an ISO image on hard disk
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00:14.42newsense_wanted to be able to have a debian system,installer,and putty/vnc client all in my pocket
00:14.47alsd_newsense_: or usb key
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00:14.57alsd_newsense_: and from there you can install it
00:15.20newsense_alsd_, yeah i read that but im trying to visualize how it would work to have the installer and a bootable install
00:15.31alsd_newsense_: maybe with grub or lilo
00:15.47alsd_newsense_: the hd-media install is syslinux on fat, so you can chainload
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00:16.03alsd_newsense_: and the other is just booting as usual with grub
00:16.31newsense_alsd_, yeah i guess it would work since the installer needs a bootloader anyways so i guess id add a line for the installer and for the install
00:16.42newsense_i think im overcomplicating it in my head
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00:17.40alsd_newsense_: it might get so, it's just the big picture i'm telling you here
00:17.55CutMeOwnThroatlgbr, the licensing to most chemistry software is pretty horrible - even the free programs are normally not really free ... well gaussian seems to be a leader in the field, though
00:18.23newsense_alsd_, ahh id want a line in the bootloader to point to the initrd.gz for the installer
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00:18.53stewwow, i had my keybaord for a server on the floor, and the dog actually stepped on ctrl-alt-del
00:19.10alsd_newsense_: it's possible as that's just what happens with the regular installer
00:19.11stew(they are actually close to eachother on my keybaord)
00:19.15newsense_alsd_, than a second pointing to the initrd.gz for the install
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00:19.25darkbsdhi! i have a nokia 6630, is it possible to access the memory card using a usb cable?
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00:20.04DustyDingohm, how you would create pad files? (file with 356 zero bytes for e.g.)
00:20.04newsense_well i backed it up anyways so i got nothing to loose and ill be writing up a guide afterwards if i get it working
00:20.16DustyDingodd can only copy blocks
00:21.10dondelelcaroDustyDingo: but a block can be any size.
00:21.18stewDustyDingo: to create a file with 356 zero bytes: dd if=/dev/zero of=/whatever/file bs=356 count=1
00:21.26themillDustyDingo:  dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=356 count=1
00:21.42themilllooks around for the source of the echo
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00:22.02meyouwhat if you did bs=1 count=356
00:22.07meyou:o
00:22.27meyouor bs=178 count =2
00:22.31CutMeOwnThroatit'd be slower... maybe
00:22.53meyouso i was actually right that it would yield the same output?
00:22.54alsd_newsense_: it's all there in the install guide : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html#usb-copy-flexible
00:22.54meyouscary
00:23.11alsd_newsense_: just keep another partition around to install once you have the installer ready
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00:23.52CutMeOwnThroatmeyou, why don't you try it...
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00:24.12newsense_alsd_, yeah im going to do that thanks, ill be back if i have any problems but i think i have it figured out now, but that usually happens when im lost
00:25.06DustyDingoah. bs=xxx ...,thx everyone
00:25.20mardiwhere should i ask to get help trying to fix a thumb drive that has a b0rked partition table?
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00:25.57mardii tried asking in #hardware but no help...
00:26.06newsense_mardi, can you not repartition it ?
00:26.35meyouplug it into a computer and initialize that sucker, if that doesn't work, throw it away and invest $8 in a new one
00:26.54stewmeyou: what do you mean by "initialize"?  does it contain data you are trying to save?
00:26.55mardinewsense_: i read man fdisk and, from what i understand, repartitioning it will erase what's on it?
00:27.08stewoh wait
00:27.09newsense_meyou, there are some with a lot more storage capacity than 8$ will get ya
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00:27.19stewmeyou: nm me, i got the m* nicks confused
00:27.26meyou:)
00:27.32stewmardi: are you sure it was partitioned to begin with?
00:27.35mardithere are pictures on it that my friend wants to keep, i've managed to get most off with photorec and recoverjpeg
00:27.45newsense_mardi, it will but you could try to dd it perhaps and try to mount the image and get the data back
00:28.09mardistew: no, this is the output of fdisk -l : http://pastebin.ca/1319072
00:28.31newsense_just an idea, anyone feel free to jump in and correct me if its a bad suggestion
00:28.38stewmardi: have you tried mounting the entire device?  something like "mount /dev/sda /mnt" instead of "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
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00:28.49stewmardi: yeah, that looks like it could be unpartitioned
00:28.55RusBoyguys how i create a partition
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00:29.02RusBoyi have 750gb free space
00:29.04Alinonany memtest guru's in the house?
00:29.04RusBoyin cfdisk
00:29.07RusBoyon /dev/sda
00:29.14RusBoybut cant get make a partition
00:29.23newsense_man its partition hour !
00:29.34newsense_RusBoy, you get any erros
00:29.39newsense_s/erros/errors
00:29.53RusBoyyes actually
00:29.55RusBoy1 sec
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00:30.11RusBoythis is what i get
00:30.11stewmardi: what does "file -s /dev/sda" return?
00:30.20mardione tic
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00:31.13RusBoynewsense any chance you could help me ?
00:31.18mardithis is the output of mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/: http://pastebin.ca/1319080
00:31.46stewmardi: i'd try omitting the -t vfat
00:31.58mardistew: can't, mount says it needs it
00:32.17mardiit says: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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00:32.49frostschutzRusBoy: you can force a reread with sfdisk (sfdisk -R /dev/sda) and if that does not work then sda is probably in use by something, and it will read the new partition table on the next boot
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00:33.24mardistew: file -s /dev/sda gives: /dev/sda: x86 boot sector
00:34.45stewmardi: well, what I'd try is to first, backup the thumbdrive, which you can do with "cp /dev/sda /some/path/to/backup/file"
00:35.04mardinewsense_: i did a ddrescue on it, but when trying to mount the resulting .iso i get the same error as when i try to just mount /dev/sda, the bit about the wrong fs type
00:35.07stewmardi: then you might try running fdisk and creating a partition which spans the entire device, and see if you can mount the resulting partition
00:35.27frostschutzstew: does that actually copy the device (like dd) or just the device node?
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00:35.44stewfrostschutz: the contents of the device
00:36.11frostschutzah
00:36.20stewfrostschutz: it does the same as dd: open the device, read bits until EOF...
00:36.27frostschutzheh, I always use cp -a :) didn't know cp could work directly on devices
00:36.29[twisti]anyone know how to get the monitor turn off without x installed ? i tried setterm with powersave on, powersave powerdown, powerdown 1, but it just wont shut off
00:36.55mardidoing a cp on it now
00:36.55abrotman[twisti]: you have to wait for it to turn it off, how long did you wait?
00:37.04[twisti]longer than the minute i specified
00:37.04RusBoyfrostschutz
00:37.09RusBoyhow i mount 2 new partitions ?
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00:37.26[twisti]id say about 10 minutes with every setting
00:37.27dutchfishhi, trying to get lenny beta2 to install, However amd64 doesnt have the latest e1000e driver on board wich i need for 82567LM-3 see: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/15817/eng/README.txt. How to solve this?
00:37.33zinx[twisti]: your card may not support the VESA stuff or turning it off :/
00:37.41[twisti]it works with windows
00:37.48kuberdoes anyone know where setxkbmap reads its kbmap data from? im trying to find a list of what layouts and variants i have to choose from
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00:38.03frostschutzRusBoy: usually you create a partition, then you format (mkfs.yourfilesystem) the partition, then you mount it
00:38.08zinx[twisti]: and it probably works with X.  but that doesn't mean it works using *VESA*
00:38.42[twisti]i dont really know the difference
00:38.53[twisti]so i guess im reinstalling x just to turn off the monitor ?
00:38.55zinx[twisti]: VESA is a specific standard, there are several
00:39.02RusBoyi get
00:39.03RusBoymount: mount point /home2 does not exist
00:39.08RusBoywhats should i do ?
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00:39.46abrotmandutchfish: you'd have to alter the installer
00:39.54kuberoop.. nm found the map :)
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00:40.37abrotman[twisti]: you used setterm ?
00:40.38dutchfishabrotman, yes, this is a loadable module only, not build in the kernel so far (as by intels readme) how to pick up the red thread for doing this?
00:40.48[twisti]abrotman: yes
00:41.02abrotmansetterm -blank 1 ?
00:41.13[twisti]tried that too
00:41.13abrotmanor you want more than just blank ?
00:41.32[twisti]i want the display and backlighting off
00:41.38mardistew: ok, i did a cp on it and  a 3.8gig "sda document" file
00:41.40abrotman-powerdown ?
00:41.43ferret_0567what does a typical /etc/apt/sources.list look like? I accidentally deleted the contents of mine :(
00:41.54[twisti]tried that too
00:41.56abrotman!tell ferret_0567 about sources.list
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00:43.03ferret_0567abrotman: thanks
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00:43.32dutchfishabrotman, i need this because this is the only one that support channel bounding and IO/AT, so build with m-i on anothe rmachine and load the module from a stick on install time, later modify the kernel wich will be 2.6.28.1 anyway?
00:43.53abrotmanare you asking or telling?
00:43.59dutchfishasking
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00:44.24abrotmandutchfish: /msg dpkg custom netinst .. you can alter it to have your updated kernel, and NIC module
00:44.30RusBoyguys how can i fix this
00:44.30RusBoymount /dev/sda4
00:44.30RusBoymount: mount point /home2 does not exist
00:44.31RusBoy?
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00:44.59dutchfishabrotman, oh wow, cool, debian still suprises me in the good sense ... nice .. and thanks for the tip!
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00:46.27adama_RusBoy: fix your fstab or create /home2
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00:47.31dutchfishabrotman, i actually dont need another kernel on install time because its a loadable module? any link how to prepare it on a stick?
00:47.34mimcpherI wonder if anybody can point me to a page that lists patches debian applies to their kernel?  I am trying to maintain an out-of-tree kernel driver, and I am trying to get an idea of how different various distrobutions kernels are.
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00:47.52abrotmandutchfish: i thought the installer asked about loading extra modules?
00:48.01abrotmandutchfish: and really, does it need to be done at install time?
00:48.19dutchfishabrotman, sure, so i can just provide the (right way compiled) .ko ?
00:48.35dutchfishabrotman, unless i dont use a netinstalll yes
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00:48.49abrotmanthe netinst does not require the internet to complete the install
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00:49.20dutchfishabrotman, [blushes] ok, gotcha
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00:51.07dutchfishabrotman, gone try out virtio along with IO/AT in channel bonding, i will let you know
00:51.17abrotmanok
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00:52.28JorophoseHi, I'm currently running Debian Lenny with an i810 chipset, and I keep getting artifacts, OpenGL apps won't run properly, and any time I log out I'm presented with those artifacts. Think you can help?
00:53.13JorophoseI used to run Xubuntu 6.06, and it worked fine. Same for Windows 98SE. Under Xubuntu however, and even now, when I'd run say Xfce, Opera, and XMMS, it would cause Opera's menus to artifact, no matter my window manager.
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00:53.57mimcpherArtifacts are probably related to the video driver itself
00:54.01dutchfishJorophose, i had simular issues and switch to 2.6.28.1 vanilla with intel gem enabled
00:54.25Jorophosedutchfish: They stopped with 28.1? When does it become part of Lenny?
00:54.26Steven_MHi all
00:54.33dutchfishJorophose, i wont
00:54.37abrotmanJorophose: you may want to check the driver options in the man page and try some of them
00:54.46dutchfishJorophose, it will prolly in bpo when lenny gets stable
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00:56.29dutchfishJorophose, aslo some bios'es tend to mess up, so that would be my first bet, and double check that xorg and video drivers are setup the right way
00:57.26Jorophosedutchfish: My BIOS is fairly bare, but what would I be looking for?
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00:57.44Jorophoseabrotman: I can't find anything that applies to me. I turned off DRI but it didn't do anything.
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00:58.03abrotmanJorophose: it could be anything .. even the software cursor
00:58.18Jorophoseso what do you reccomend?
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00:58.27abrotmanwhich chipset is it exactly?
00:58.28dutchfishlogs
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00:59.00BluntObjectwhat is dutchfish?
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00:59.02Jorophosei810, but I can't find anything more specific than that. I'll dig through my manual.
00:59.11dutchfish!fish
00:59.11dpkg"Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day.  Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life."  This is so appropriate.  Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered.  Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org
00:59.23dutchfishdo i need to explain dutch?
00:59.30abrotmanJorophose: lspci | grep VGA
00:59.52BluntObjectdutchfish: Maybe. ;-/
00:59.59dutchfishBluntObject, ;)
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01:00.32Jorophose00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810 DC-100 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 02)
01:00.42mythomaniacanyone know how i can change the font size in tty off hand?
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01:01.16dutchfishmy007ms, on the console?
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01:01.49mythomaniacdutchfish, yeah
01:02.01dutchfishmy007ms, a kernel line like vga=771 or so
01:02.12mythomaniacdutchfish, thanks
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01:03.10BluntObjectWhat tool can I use to print out all he vga modes my video card supports? Please point me to the man page.
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01:03.16Steven_MI'm about to switch to pure debian instead of a debian-based distro, but I've got a few questions before I do.
01:03.31Janoshi there, helping a friend with a debian server, when i try to upgrade ssh i get the following error "unable to make backup link of `./usr/sbin/sshd' before installing new version", now lsattr is showing this "suS-iadAc--------- /usr/sbin/sshd" now can anyone say how a file would a file get marked as immutable just like that ? intrusion maybe ?
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01:03.53abrotmanJanos: or filesystem issues
01:04.12JorophoseBluntObject: Maybe xrandr -q?
01:04.41CutMeOwnThroatdutchfish, did you notice you kept talking to another guy? :)
01:04.42BluntObjectJorophose: Thx.
01:04.53dutchfishBluntObject, you can find them also in Xorg.0.log
01:05.22BluntObjectdutchfish: Thanks.
01:05.43dutchfishBluntObject, oops
01:06.22dutchfishCutMeOwnThroat, yes, sorry, i am of to bed, prolly because i am tired, thaks for warning
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01:09.11Steven_MDoes every realese of debian have a CD\DVD based repo on the install disk for that realese?
01:09.34dupa_in what file is info what i have hardware?
01:09.42dupa_what i have on usb etc?
01:10.04JorophoseSteven_M: Lenny, Etch, Sid, etc., each have their own repo, but if you're talking about the xfce and kde CDs, all those draw from their respective repos (lenny/etch/sid/etc)
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01:10.41dupa_know :?
01:10.57abrotmanSteven_M: you can disable the cd apt source if you choose
01:11.01Jorophosedupa_: try dmesg? but it's more of a log...
01:11.10dupa_how
01:11.21dupa_oh
01:11.34dupa_no no
01:11.37dupa_it was file :s
01:11.38Jorophoseand I think I found something to further my own problem... i810 doesn't seem to support framebuffers in linux, and looking through dmesg I see a lot of complaining about buffers and "rewrite"
01:11.44dupa_but i dont remember what it was called
01:11.46dupa_;/
01:11.55dupa_there was writen what gfx i have etc
01:11.56Jorophosedupa_: Sorry, I don't remember. I've been looking for it too. Is it in your bash history? (press up in the terminal)
01:12.02dupa_and what on what port usb etc
01:12.14soulproC:\Program Files\WTSLocation\WTSLocation.exe -main
01:12.14soulproC:\Temp\WTSLocation.log
01:12.14soulproC:\WINDOWS\Application Compatibility Scripts\Logon\WTSLocation.cmd
01:12.24Janosabrotman: i already rebooted the server so fsck probably checked the fs, you think it would be safe to remove the attributes now ?
01:12.41abrotmanJanos: force the fsck
01:12.44soulprolol
01:12.47abrotmansoulpro: wrong channel ?
01:12.53soulproi just noticed where my output was going
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01:13.16Jorophose\proc\ (my irc client thinks slashes are commands...) has some interesting files that let you know your CPU and stuff
01:13.29soulprolol, putty... right-click / paste FTL
01:13.30Janosabrotman: the problem is that i'm not in the site and my /usr and / fs are the same :(
01:13.46abrotmanJanos: touch /forcefsck .. reboot
01:13.55abrotmanthough with a half installed sshd .. might not be aable to get back in
01:13.57Janosabrotman: kk, thanks a lot
01:14.02abrotmanJanos: maybe try debsums
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01:14.35CutMeOwnThroatJorophose, only the 1st character... " /something" is normally ok
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01:14.58Jorophoseaha!
01:15.09Jorophosedupa_: was it lshw?
01:15.40dupa_-bash: lshw: command not found
01:15.45CutMeOwnThroatJorophose, /also you can of course address the person you talk to ;)
01:16.00dupa_how check what ram i have?
01:16.12dupa_now how much but what
01:16.26dupa_because i wanna buy ram and i dont know what ram :s
01:16.34dupa_this is old pc with p4 2.66ghz
01:16.39CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, not wrong channel - correct channel, but wrong OS!
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01:16.54abrotmanCutMeOwnThroat: wrong window he said
01:16.57Jorophosedupa_: found it, lshw is a package
01:17.09Jorophosedupa_: /try installing it (heh, thanks CutMeThroat :))
01:17.24dupa_ok
01:18.18CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, I meant he should stick to that window and dump the crappy OS :)
01:18.25abrotmanoh
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01:19.54Steven_Mabrotman: if I pre-order a Lenny DVD from a vendor and decide to install RC-1 in the mean time, when the Lenny DVD arrives can I upgrade my system by using the DVD as an apt-source without having to download anything from the net?
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01:20.17abrotmanSteven_M: i wouldn't use the RC1, wait for the real deal
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01:21.48Steven_Mabrotman: ok thanks :)
01:22.02CutMeOwnThroatyeah... that will be legen- wait for it -dary
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01:24.14Steven_Mdoes debiain use init or upstart these days?
01:24.23abrotmaninit
01:25.51Steven_Mabrotman: will Lenny also use init?
01:25.52shamurai_bobbyis it possible to install debian on existing LV
01:26.18epsilonsure
01:26.48shamurai_bobbyI couldn't find an option
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01:27.36Janosabrotman: force fsck worked, but debsums is saying "debsums: checksum mismatch openssh-server file /usr/sbin/sshd", so i guess this file did get modified somehow
01:27.43Mac101hi just install the testing is there anyway to connect to wpa wireless with lan 1st?
01:27.43abrotmanoh i'm sure
01:27.52Mac101without*
01:29.44CutMeOwnThroatJanos, reinstall it?
01:29.57Janosabrotman: should i just clear the attributes and upgrade to the new version of the package ?
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01:30.19Janosabrotman: or you think it's better to reinstall the whole thing ?
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01:31.04abrotmanyou have no idea what they've done
01:31.19Janoskk will do, thanks for the help
01:31.34PB_G3how do you edit the debian/control file in a deb package (dependencies)
01:33.30abrotmanPB_G3: why would you ?
01:33.57PB_G3what do you mean
01:34.13PB_G3i am creating a package
01:34.43PB_G3i got the tut from here: http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source
01:36.08newsensePB_G3: maybe ask in #debian-mentors
01:36.20PB_G3kk
01:36.24Steven_Mabrotman: I hope Lenny will stick to init too, I don't like upstart.
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01:36.33abrotmanit will at this point
01:36.44abrotmanPB_G3: i was asking why you were changing it
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01:37.10PB_G3You have been kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ (Invite only channel)
01:37.42monkey_d_luffyI want to chmod -R +w  files started with . (dot) on a directory, but how exactly does bash expand that? Isn't there the danger of it unfolding to ".." ?
01:38.12newsensePB_G3: sorry man i wasnt aware it was invite only
01:38.16dondelelcaroPB_G3: you want #debian-mentors on oftc, not this network.
01:38.20Steven_Mabrotman: good, I'll go pre-order Lenny now :)
01:38.23monkey_d_luffyhey... there's a bash channel... i'll ask there :)
01:38.27PB_G3oh
01:39.00newsensedondelelcaro: thanks for pointing that out i wasnt aware #debian-mentors on freenode wasnt public
01:39.09monkey_d_luffy(still, if anyone knows the answer, be my guest :)
01:39.30dondelelcaronewsense: it actually isn't a channel, AFAIK
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01:39.46dondelelcaronewsense: I think it's invite only to clue people in that they're on the wrong network
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01:49.05CutMeOwnThroatmonkey_d_luffy, it is... try echo .[a-zA-Z0-9]* or something
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01:52.46monkey_d_luffyDoes an ethernet cable only "blinks" when both ends are correctly connected?
01:52.57abrotmanmonkey_d_luffy: depends how many lights ..
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01:53.35monkey_d_luffyabrotman: didn't understand
01:55.08monkey_d_luffygrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............. and kde network manager is broken.... didn't store my profiles correctly.... grrrrrrrrrrr
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02:04.33monkey_d_luffykde network manager is soooooooo broken :'(
02:04.40|unjustice|hey...where can I find drivers for an ATI Radeon 4830 HD 512MB card, I am trying to run it on debian. I was told I need fglrx
02:04.49|unjustice|but uh...also told i need vesa
02:04.55|unjustice|which did not work very well at all
02:05.04monkey_d_luffyi set it a static ip, but the damn thing insists on using the ip from a previous dhcp
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02:12.46ZitZHey guys, is Emerald not in the debian repositories?
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02:14.57ZitZWhere should I get it from, since the repository of shame is no longer being updated, do you know any good debian repositories for compiz and emerald?
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02:19.23up365ZitZ, try #compiz-fusion
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02:22.00|unjustice|so...I cannot access anything requiring root privileges
02:22.23|unjustice|says my username is not in the sudoers file...I just added it, is there something I screwed up?
02:22.39|unjustice|how do you add/change sudo, if you cannot get root access?
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02:25.58maher|unjustice|: what are you trying to do?
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02:26.26chuckhow would I build a simple pkg from a source tarball of an application?
02:26.30chuckis there a guide?
02:27.50abrotman!tell chuck about nmg
02:28.00abrotman!tell chuck about package basics
02:28.45stewwe probably should figure out where joeyh has a 'try dh7' page or sometihng
02:28.52stewbut maybe dh_make is already doing that
02:29.56abrotmanwait .. which thing got depricated in lenny? not dh_make?
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02:30.08steweh?
02:30.47abrotmandebmake
02:30.49stewdh_make is the 'give me a (overfat) skeleton of a package'
02:30.55stewoh i don't know what that is
02:30.56chuckabrotman: whats the difference between a multiple binary package and a single binary package
02:31.09abrotmanchuck: 1 vs 1,2,3,4,5
02:31.12abrotmanhides
02:31.27chucklol
02:31.37abrotmanstew: that's okay, even the bot doesn't know
02:31.46stewchuck: how many different .debs are you planning to make from your package?  a single .deb? or multiple? (like a foo-data.deb and libfoo.deb and foo-bin.deb)...
02:31.57stewchuck: (you probably want single)
02:32.07chuckstew: oh, i think single
02:32.22abrotmanstew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00019.html
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02:35.51dabreegsterAny reason why LCD monitors and xorg usually end up with "cant display this resolution/mode" errors on the monitor? I got mine working with a modeline I hacked from somewhere, but I always run into this problem when i'm using knoppix or now debian live cds. geforce 6100 card. hwinfo --monitor returns nothing, if thats relevant. How is that stuff usually detected?
02:35.52teratomaim running lenny, how do i add a user in samba ? smbpasswd -a doesn't work.
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02:40.17|unjustice|maher: I was trying to change password without passwd command
02:40.19|unjustice|I am root
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02:42.08Virtusno.. I am root
02:42.52Zharfno! I am root!
02:42.57Virtuswrong again!
02:43.09dabreegsterGuys, guys, everyone's root. You're all right.
02:43.21Virtuswell duuh..
02:43.26Virtusdont take our fun away!
02:43.47Virtus:D
02:44.06VirtusI'm gonna buy 4x2 gb ram for my server next month
02:44.13Virtusit will run sooo much better with 8 gigs
02:44.57dabreegsterI've never pushed past about 700mb of my 2gigs personally, and this is while wineing games and forgetting about them
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02:45.51Virtushttp://pastebin.ca/1319183 << 3.8 gb used ram
02:46.28Virtuscant remember how to make top show only the mysql process
02:46.30zinxVirtus: most of that is buffers/cache, which is freed on demand...
02:46.31Virtuscause that's using a lot..
02:46.33maher|unjustice|: just type passwd as root
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02:46.55Virtuszinx > actually that's mostly mysql cached databases
02:46.59zinxno it isn't
02:47.05Virtustrust me.. it is
02:47.11zinxi don't need to trust you
02:47.15Virtussql is using around 900mb or something
02:47.18Virtusif not more
02:47.19dabreegsterYou should trust him, he's root
02:47.23Virtushehe
02:47.23zinxi have the output from top, which CLEARLY states that it's due to kernel buffers/cache which are freed on demand.
02:47.30Virtuspheer me! Cause I am root!
02:47.46Virtus218988k buffers <<
02:47.48Virtusonly 2gb
02:47.54Virtusthe rest is used by my gameserver and mysql
02:47.57zinx2.8GB of it
02:48.18zinxand, for the record, 218988k is not 2GB
02:48.26Virtusohh lol
02:48.31VirtusI should prolly just goto bed :D
02:48.47Virtusjust need to compile something.. sigh
02:49.21zinxVirtus: "cached" is files/etc that are cached by the kernel to avoid needing to access slow disks again.. it's all freed on demand
02:49.36zinxand that accounts for well over half your ram usage :)
02:49.49Virtusahh okay
02:49.57Virtusyeah I think I get it now
02:50.11VirtusI figured that bottompart cached was part of the swap
02:50.21Virtustho it did not make much sence since it was bigger than the swap
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02:50.42abrotmanVirtus: if you're not swapping at all, not much point in buying RAM unless you just want to cache more files
02:50.49tczernhi, what's a good fontmanager application?
02:51.08Virtusabrotman > well there's not that many players on my gameservers right now, its almost dead.. I got like 20-30 people online in total
02:51.17Virtushence the reason none of the processes are showing up
02:51.37Virtususually their using 12-16% cpu
02:52.33Virtusmaybe more in peak hours.. I dunno, dont check that often
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02:55.30VirtusI want debian on my desktop system..
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02:58.26chuckabrotman: is it bad to download a package from unstable and install it on stable?
02:58.40abrotmanyes, very
02:58.43abrotmanchuck: which package?
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02:59.25chuckabrotman: cherokee
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03:00.10chuckabrotman: unstable actually has the current stable version of cherokee :P
03:00.30abrotman!tell chuck about ssb
03:00.40woalena script file contain this line: . /etc/init.d/functions. But system complain that the dir or file 'functions' is not found. how to fix this?
03:01.13chuckabrotman: so those commands will produce a .deb
03:01.35tczernhow do you manage your fonts, I am using Gnome
03:01.53abrotmanchuck: ideally
03:02.01chuckkk
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03:09.23woalenno help for me?
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03:14.44Rustenguinhello
03:14.57Rustenguindoes somebody can help me with this?
03:14.59Rustenguinhttp://pastebin.com/m35b154ed
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03:15.57abrotmanRustenguin: fix your firewall ?
03:16.14Rustenguini have everithing down
03:16.20Rustenguinincluding firewall
03:16.40abrotmanapparently not
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03:19.27nat2610I'm trying to make a deb package, but I don't want to disitrbute the source code, the code is written in C++, what is the best way to generate my deb ? Am I suppose to let people change the prefix in the makefile ? Should I do a makefile that won't compile anything ? .... anybody have a link to give me or an idea of a project I could checkout to see how they do that ?
03:20.03jamonnat2610: start here: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html
03:21.53jamonbtw nat2610, a makefile is useless for anyone if you don't offer the source
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03:24.11nat2610thanks for link
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03:34.04batman_ramirezhello im on debian how can i stop the xserver
03:34.10batman_ramirezand work only on console
03:34.25batman_ramirezinit ?
03:34.45dondelelcaro!tell batman_ramirez -about nodm
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03:34.50jamonbatman_ramirez: you can leave it running if you like and use ctrl+alt+f1 through f6
03:35.34batman_ramirezi know but i wanna shut the graphic session
03:36.46\amethys1batman_ramirez: permanently, or just until you reboot?
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03:39.31batman_ramirezimsorry
03:39.47batman_ramirezjust until reboot
03:39.50phiPPstemporarily you can just run "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"
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03:40.23batman_ramirezthat will make my battery last a little longer right
03:40.51phiPPsyes, a bit
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03:41.14abrotmanbatman_ramirez: /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
03:41.22batman_ramirezyea
03:41.23batman_ramirezthanks
03:41.27batman_ramirezi just did it
03:41.59batman_ramirezis there a way to check out the battery by console?
03:42.18phiPPsacpi -V works for me
03:42.41batman_ramirezis perfect
03:42.44batman_ramirezthanks again
03:44.18dutchfishabrotman, got a basic graphical setup working: http://debian.pastebin.com/m107bb5c9 + intel gem code and e1000e latest on 2.6.28.1
03:45.42batman_ramirezand how about a way to see the temperature of the processor on console... is it possible?
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03:45.47abrotmandutchfish: yay!
03:46.09jamonbatman_ramirez: try /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
03:46.36batman_ramirezthanks i just man the acpi command
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03:46.43dutchfishabrotman, tommorrow gone finish bonding on the nics so far 3,2 Gbit on 4 nics
03:46.48batman_ramireztheres all the info i need
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03:52.15batman_ramirezif i want a report every 5 minutes or somethin about the time left of the baattery and its temperature
03:52.24batman_ramirezi have to make a bash file or somethin rigt
03:53.03batman_ramirezsome file that stays in memory and display that info for me
03:53.12\amethystbatman_ramirez:  what kind of report?
03:53.48batman_ramirezi just wanna know the temperature of the laptop and the remaining time of the battery
03:54.18\amethystbatman_ramirez:  I mean, do you want to get an email about it every 5 minutes?
03:54.28\amethystbatman_ramirez:  or do you want to display that stuff at the prompt?
03:54.43batman_ramirezat the prompt
03:56.53\amethystbatman_ramirez:  you can do something like   PS1='$(sensors | sed -n "s/Core0 Temp: //p") \w\$ '
03:57.36\amethystbatman_ramirez:  hm, sensors prints a lot of extra spaces at the end, so that might need some more work
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03:58.28\amethystbatman_ramirez:  but you can use $( ) in PS1  to include the output of any command in your prompt.  Make sure it's in single quotes so that it gets re-evaluated at every prompt
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03:59.02batman_ramirezthats nice
03:59.17batman_ramirezill have a look
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04:19.31dancorhow do you use make-kpkg with a patched kernel?  it fails with dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.28.2 not in control info
04:20.12amitzdancor: I suspect you need source of kernel, or header, or something along that line.
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04:20.30amitzdancor: maybe from build-essential package should be enough
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04:22.49dancoramitz: i have the 2.6.28 source with the 2.6.28.2 patch applied, it builds fine.  build-essential is already the newest version
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04:23.13amitzdancor: I don't know then.
04:23.24dancori think i might need to rename something to like 2.6.28-2 somewhere
04:23.34dancordebian seems to prefer that scheme
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04:31.54CutMeOwnThroatjudd, versions alsa-base
04:31.55juddCutMeOwnThroat: alsa-base -- etch: 1.0.13-5etch1 etch-security: 1.0.13-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 sid: 1.0.17.dfsg-4 experimental: 1.0.18.dfsg+1.0.18a-1
04:32.32Gnu_Raizthanks the answer is no, just checking, I need newest alsa for a hdmi, as well as latest nvidia.
04:32.54Gnu_Raiztrying to get hdmi audio to work on a pvr.
04:33.05Gnu_Raizwanted to get it before I install mythtv.
04:33.05CutMeOwnThroatif you want to make a package, start out from the experimental package and replace the code
04:33.35Gnu_Raizotherwise I have to get another graphics card, cause I only have hdmi at the moment.
04:33.52Gnu_Raizright now I am on testing.
04:34.13Gnu_Raizand usually don't do unstable unless needed.
04:35.24Gnu_RaizI was impressed as lenny seen my wifi net card, which uses an atheros chip!
04:35.47CutMeOwnThroatdepends on the chip, I guess...
04:35.51Gnu_Raizall I had to do was just call wifconfig.
04:36.01CutMeOwnThroatbut aethros drivers've been around for years
04:36.23Gnu_RaizIt's an old g wireless card,
04:36.44Gnu_Raizan airnet card, that at the time you needed to compile the drivers yourself.
04:37.32Gnu_Raizthat was one less thing I had to do for setup.
04:38.24Gnu_RaizAt the time I bought this system it was for windows only as nix did not support any hdmi output yet.
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04:39.16CutMeOwnThroatbah, I'm sure I made a factoid for this exact case
04:39.24ricoshadyhow do I disable sshd accepting passwords? I'd rather only use cert keys
04:39.33Gnu_RaizIt's an old 630a 7050 onboard nvidia amd based motherboard with a basic amd64 chip runing at 1.8 Ghs something like an Athlon 3.0 or something.
04:40.07Gnu_RaizWill only do analog, and basic digital, no HD playback as it is too slow.
04:40.11Trampricoshady: man sshd_config, search for PasswordAuthentication
04:40.58CutMeOwnThroatGnu_Raiz,  basically you do the same as what dpkg tells you in /msg dpkg bpo with the experimental source - then you get the most current source and replace the source tree in the package with it...
04:41.39CutMeOwnThroatthen you add a new changelog entry with the changed version and see if the debian patches still apply (which isn't so unlikely as it's only a minor version change)
04:44.24CutMeOwnThroatif they don't you fix or remove them, then use dpkg-buildpackage to make the package
04:44.26Gnu_RaizYeah I could do that, but kind of thought someone might of done all the work already.
04:44.35Gnu_Raizmeaning built a .deb package.
04:44.55CutMeOwnThroatno, you'll be the first, isn't that exciting...
04:45.07Virtuswith nano, can I copy all txt from a large .. say .sql file and paste it into a new filename?
04:45.34Virtusits there a command for that in nano? copy all
04:45.35nsadminhow would I go about building the same nvidia driver I'm now using (which I should have the source for somewhere) to produce a module package of it for a kernel I have source/headers for but that I'm not presently running?
04:45.42CutMeOwnThroatanyway, someone *did* most of the work, because the version of the experimental package is only one minor version away which means you most probably won't have to do much
04:45.50CutMeOwnThroatthat's what I'm telling you, really
04:46.23nsadminnvidia version 169.09-1
04:47.53CutMeOwnThroatuh... "man m-a"? (search vor kernel version)
04:47.59Gnu_RaizI might do that, but I still don't know if the updated driver, or alsa will give me hdmi pass-through.
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04:48.49Gnu_RaizAs the forums I searched and people are not using my older chipset, and nothing comes up under lspci.
04:49.08Gnu_Raizin other words I might do all the work for little or no benefit.
04:49.55Gnu_Raizwhat I need to see is something that indicates spdif but mentions hdmi output.
04:50.44Gnu_RaizWhat I might do is install opensolaris just to see if they have a sound driver, if opensolaris works, I know I can get it to work.
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04:51.03nsadmindo you have to install it to determine if a sound driver exists?
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04:51.41Gnu_Raizaccording to nvnetnews, and avsform yes!
04:52.23Gnu_Raizright now I can't tell but my gut feeling kinda tells me it wont as this was a 1st gen hdmi board.
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04:53.07Gnu_Raizhdmi audio was only added in the nvidia 178 drivers.
04:55.42CutMeOwnThroatgah, forgot how to lookup tags
04:56.01CutMeOwnThroatI ask dpkg and what do I get to hear?
04:56.03CutMeOwnThroat!tag
04:56.03dpkgI'm it!
04:56.08CutMeOwnThroatright
04:56.09Gnu_RaizAs it is right now I have hda nvidia sound, but no spdif or any ice958 option that others have.
04:56.23stewCutMeOwnThroat: etp-cache search or aptitude search '~Gtag'
04:56.28nsadmin!bag
04:56.31CutMeOwnThroatdebtags is the factoid!
04:56.55CutMeOwnThroatah, thx
04:57.31Gnu_RaizI have it hooked up to a hdtv, which means I just can't plug a regular cable into the line out, and get sound working as I don't have a graphics card for svideo.
04:57.45Gnu_RaizAll I have is onboard hdmi.
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04:57.54safsafghi
04:58.03dec3pti0nis there a place i can get the debootstrap source ? without being the one for etch deb build ?
04:58.19dec3pti0nI want to install it on suse
04:58.21stewdec3pti0n: http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap
04:58.22Gnu_RaizHdmi does not have a rca jacks for sound, I have to use componet or svido, or composite.
04:59.05dec3pti0nstew, that's what I got now
04:59.26epsilonapt-get source
04:59.40stewdec3pti0n: what are you looking for that isn't there then?
04:59.57safsafgi have some proplem.. i installed libevent on my system
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05:00.37safsafgnow when i tryed to install tor i get this error: Found linkable libevent in /root/libevent-1.4.9-stable, but it does not seem to run, even with -R. Maybe specify another using --with-libevent-dir}
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05:00.37nsadminsafsafg: your system is what? libevent comes from what?
05:00.47dec3pti0nstew, that source that is there seems to be the source prepared to build a deb pkg ... I was just wondering if there was generic source tgz or I guess that one should be fine ?
05:01.12safsafgnsadmin libvent from source, well system is smoothwall dvel so ..
05:01.14nsadminlibevent from source then?
05:01.17stewdec3pti0n: click on the version you want, then the .tar.gz is in the right, in blue
05:01.24safsafgyea from source
05:01.41nsadminjudd versions libevent
05:01.42juddnsadmin: libevent --
05:02.07nsadmincan judd be searched for substrings?
05:02.26safsafgso what can i do?
05:02.30stewjudd: versions libevent*
05:02.35stewnsadmin: its slow though
05:02.42nsadminok thanks
05:02.48stewi haven't added any substring indexes
05:02.50nsadminso it's searching now
05:02.57stewit should be
05:03.03juddstew: libevent%
05:03.06stewbah
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05:03.41stewadded fixing it to the TODO list
05:03.48nsadminhmm, it's ok, I'll have him search on pdo
05:03.51dec3pti0nstew, I know that is the gz I got right now but a make on that does not work
05:04.27nsadminsafsafg: suggest you to try finding libevent on packages.debian.org
05:04.38grendal_primeI have a question about openvpn.  And ya ive already asked in #openvpn..but its really quite there. So i figured id ask here.  Anyone learned enoug in openvpn to discuss possible key centralization for several servers?
05:05.00safsafgnsadmin im not running debian.. but there is no chan to go
05:05.05stewdec3pti0n: does it require make?  its just a shell script
05:05.15nsadminoh plot thickens :)
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05:06.11nsadminso you have to run thru linking errors, or maybe you should install the libevent you have (it's built, right? to install into the default --prefix?)
05:06.59safsafgwell it compiled and make without any errors
05:08.00nsadminsafsafg: perhaps you have to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to where the lib is, or install the lib... also see /etc/ld.so.conf
05:08.14safsafgok sec
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05:09.07nsadminyou're better off setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH than changing ld.so.conf, because doing the latter changes global settings, which may or may not be what you want to do
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05:22.55CutMeOwnThroatoh... "--- Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)." ... wtf is happening here
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05:23.14erstaziCutMeOwnThroat: DDoS attack, probably
05:23.16frankS2CutMeOwnThroat, idonno
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05:24.04CutMeOwnThroathaha... can't join #freenode to ask either...  (how surprising... )
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05:24.10frankS2ddos rly?
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05:24.19yareckonhappening accross many channels...
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05:24.49CutMeOwnThroatwell, might just be one of the major servers dropped out for ANY reason
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05:25.02CutMeOwnThroatneedn't be a DDOS that dropped it
05:25.06yareckontrue
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05:25.38CutMeOwnThroatit was obviously the one I was on...
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05:26.25CutMeOwnThroatbut you're definitely right in one way - it's suspicious that first all ppl from brown "left", then my server closed connection on me
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05:29.51CutMeOwnThroatthere we go again
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05:30.46safsafgsoon there is just 3 ppl left
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05:30.46CutMeOwnThroatcan the drop-out of one server destabilize the others?
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05:35.00yareckonseems sustained instability.. is a freenode fundraising drive coming up ?
05:35.00yareckon:D
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05:35.01CutMeOwnThroatdid you read safsafg's comment?
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05:35.02dmoernerwas it about the netsplit? i didn't see it
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05:35.03CutMeOwnThroathe was so close to being fucking right - for a moment there were three others next to me
05:35.03CutMeOwnThroatdmoerner, it's more... I lost connection twice
05:35.03yareckonWe got down to 19 on my end
05:35.03dmoerneryeah i lost it twice as well
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05:35.03CutMeOwnThroatit's servers going away totally, not just netsplits
05:35.04dmoerneri was the only one left in another channel
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05:35.19benf2004i had to try to connect to 6 servers before i found one that worked :|
05:35.20CutMeOwnThroatchanserv!
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05:35.35CutMeOwnThroatI think you were right... must be an attack, else there wouldn't be such a huge amount of servers affected
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05:35.39CutMeOwnThroatwell, time to start the most stupid offtopic discussion ever... any suggestions?
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05:35.41benf2004must be pretty widespread in that case, i tried one of the EU servers to see if they were ok and the one that i tried was down, too
05:35.41dmoerneris anyone in #freenode?
05:35.42CutMeOwnThroatcan't join... channel limit
05:35.42dmoerneryeah
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05:35.43dmoerneri just noticed
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05:35.44CutMeOwnThroatwell, if it was there like here, will be some time
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05:35.45CutMeOwnThroatalso, we're only 100 - looks like we're still in a netsplit (or the servers are rebooting or whatever)
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05:35.46dmoerner#debian-overflow has 400 or so
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05:35.47CutMeOwnThroathehe
05:35.47CutMeOwnThroatstill about 300 missing
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05:35.48CutMeOwnThroatof course there are the many who think auto-reconnect is lame :)
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05:45.38Virtusnet split
05:45.46Virtusdisconnects 50% and then connects them back
05:45.55Virtusso half the channel leaves.. for 10 mins, and comes back
05:45.56Virtussux
05:46.06Virtusbut you can disable it.. so you wont see..
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05:46.20Virtusthen you just cant see when people are leaving or joining the channel
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05:47.13yareckonthis was one of the rougher ones in my memory
05:47.15yareckonfun
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05:47.27Virtushehe
05:47.28CutMeOwnThroatdpkg, wb
05:47.34dpkgthanks, cutmeownthroat.  It's good to be back.
05:47.49yareckonbotdamage
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05:49.12CutMeOwnThroathehe
05:49.15CutMeOwnThroatthere we go
05:49.36nsadminwha hoppin??
05:49.39CutMeOwnThroatwhy does it set a channel limit less than the current people, though
05:50.22nsadminit's evil! no one can join! FOREVER! just kidding :)
05:50.29CutMeOwnThroatno!
05:50.42CutMeOwnThroatit means some people have to leave so that nobody is allowd to join!
05:51.15nsadminif they don't leave, then people will be allowed to join?
05:51.29nsadminbtw...
05:51.32nsadminwha hoppin??
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05:52.00CutMeOwnThroathoppin?
05:52.22nsadminyeah, wha hoppi to freenode?
05:52.25CutMeOwnThroathoppin left and hoppin right, hopping just feels... alright
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05:53.08yareckonyawn, I'll leave so that someone can take my spot then
05:53.20wiredddthere are spots now
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05:54.31nsadminyou see spots?
05:54.49CutMeOwnThroatits not summer!
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05:58.17CutMeOwnThroatha... #freenode... all the hot new information I'm now getting...
05:58.19CutMeOwnThroat:-P
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06:00.04nsadminCutMeOwnThroat: the latest being it
06:00.15nsadminisn't summer? :)
06:00.38CutMeOwnThroatthe latest from freenode is "<SportChick> we're looking into it"
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06:00.38CutMeOwnThroat:-P
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06:01.13yareckongnite kids, hopefully the internet triumphs over this adversity with SportChick as its trusty sidekick
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06:02.16CutMeOwnThroatactually they say the ircd segfaulted
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06:08.58CutMeOwnThroatsegfault of the ircd on one server...
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06:09.06CutMeOwnThroatdunno about the rest
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06:18.06nsadminsegfault? very noisy...
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06:43.14jairhello everybody
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06:44.01jairif I am running debian etch and want to make it but with networking and everything else except X it is a way I can do it running init?
06:44.04jairinit 3
06:44.28avuno
06:44.31jairor something like that, I guess I will need to edit inittab because there is not option for init 3
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06:45.06avuif you want your system to boot up without starting some services (e.g. X), just disable those services?
06:45.12jairavu: there is not way I can switch to just a text mode only
06:45.31jairI jus go to the rc.d
06:45.42jairand then disable X at startup
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06:45.50avujair, the debian reference describes how to properly disable services
06:45.52CutMeOwnThroatdon't install xorg?
06:46.10jairit is just because I need to do an installation and requires not to have X running is for the nvidia linux drivers
06:46.18avuaah
06:46.25jairwell I already have it installed
06:46.27avuthen just shut it down temporarily
06:46.39jairavu: what do you mean?
06:46.42avuswitch to a console using Ctrl+Alt+F1
06:46.45CutMeOwnThroat<PROTECTED>
06:46.46avulog in as root
06:46.51jairalright
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06:46.55avuand do /etc/init.d/?dm stop
06:46.57jairlet me try that
06:46.58CutMeOwnThroat(choose your windows manager)
06:47.10avudisplay manager :)
06:47.14CutMeOwnThroatoops :)
06:47.23CutMeOwnThroatthere might be more than one script, though
06:47.27avuaner just using the ? wildcard should work if only one of those is installed
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06:47.34CutMeOwnThroat(I seem to have kdm and gdm for some reason)
06:47.39avubut, true, it won't if he has >1
06:48.16jairguys, all I did was run the command "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and that did the work as root.
06:48.20jairthank you very much
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06:48.47CutMeOwnThroatjair, now to the test you have to pass...
06:48.55jairis happy now and will see if it continues happy with the nvidia drivers
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06:48.55CutMeOwnThroatjair, tell us how you'll start X
06:49.04CutMeOwnThroat:-P
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06:49.11jairhahaha
06:49.55jairCutMeOwnThroat: anyway, I am trying to install the nvidia native drivers because for some reason the video refresh on the vesa it's kind of slow
06:50.05jairI am not sure if is because of the video drivers
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06:58.33Decepticonwhat is #debian-overflow
06:58.54lilkidI really want to get to know linux- specifically debian better, and maybe even become a service provider of some sorts webhosting or otherwise, whats the best way to really learn and get into linux?
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07:00.24lilkidDecepticon: I assume some kind of overflow channel when the main one (this) is full? I've been redirected there before
07:01.02Decepticonlilkid: how does a channel become full? why is there a limit?
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07:01.59ush_debian is the ultra sucks!!!
07:02.05ush_iam  the l33t
07:02.10ush_u r a ll 222 guys
07:02.24xlotluit's probably some protection against flood bots
07:02.29ush_tell me when apt recinds the spectacle of molten botnet
07:02.48streunertroll somewhere else!
07:03.01ush_all the other channels are so quiet...
07:03.13xlotlunaah. let him troll here. he's so much fun.
07:03.16lilkidDecepticon: I don't really know but I assume performance/flood protection, if this channel gets too busy or if youre banned you get redirected there.
07:03.52Decepticonhm i see
07:04.10lilkidtoo many people=too much talking=chaos. but I see no danger of that happening judging by the quietness now!
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07:04.44ush_that's true
07:04.53ush_do you guys hate ubuntu as much as archlinux users
07:04.54stewDecepticon: you end up in #debian-overflow if the +J rates are exceeded which is how fast people are allowed to join the channel
07:05.03stewush_: please keep it on-topic.
07:05.11stewush_: do you have a debian related question?
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07:05.15ush_that is debian related
07:05.20ush_is ubuntu not a debian fork
07:05.25stewush_: ubuntu and archlinux are both off-topic
07:05.32ush_but the question is
07:05.35ush_do DEBIAN users hate ubuntu
07:05.48Decepticonheh
07:05.48stewush_: this channel is for support.  do you have a support related question?
07:05.50streunerstew: its a troll...
07:05.57ush_i don't use debian, stew
07:05.58craigevilstew:  just kick the idiot already
07:06.00ush_so obviously not
07:06.03ush_don't kick me
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07:06.09stewcraigevil: there is no need for that
07:06.13craigevilthanks :)
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07:08.54lilkidwhat's the best way to learn the ins and outs of debian?
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07:09.05lilkidfor a relatively new user to linux
07:09.18stewlilkid: /msg dpkg grounding
07:10.33lilkidthanks
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07:27.35elenrilwhat happened?
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07:54.59lilkidif i want to set up a web server, is there any way to add extra [bash] scripts to be processed e.g. to add a mysql DB for the user using the adduser command?
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07:57.48lilkidor should i use adduser in a bash script amongst all other setups?
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07:59.14SPFlilkid: I think it's better to make a script that executes adduser and mysql commands
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08:03.48lilkidSPF: thanks
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08:06.17bazylhi everybody:)
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08:37.03Ace2016_-Hi all
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08:39.34paulfitzpatrickhere is a noob and kind of OT question :)  When I sign up for a dedicated server running Debian, will I have to install DNS software on the server?
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08:40.39stewpaulfitzpatrick: no. your isp will provide you with available nameservers
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08:40.55Ace2016_-Hi all
08:41.13baf_hello all
08:41.21paulfitzpatrickgreat thx stew
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08:42.50Ace2016_-alt+f works, i get the file menu
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08:46.46sjokkisis it possible to alias "command, woman" to "sudo command"?
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08:48.42rvsjoen_why wouldn't it be ?
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08:49.47sjokkisi don't know. how is it done?
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08:50.18Ace2016_-sjokkis: you would have to alias command to sudo and woman has to be a script which carries out the command
08:50.47krux0sjokkis, what?!
08:50.55sjokkisAce2016_-: i meant "command" as a standin for any given command
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08:52.13sjokkiskrux0: hi. what?
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08:52.22cornfickerhello guys
08:52.26Ace2016_-hi
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08:52.43sjokkisAce2016_-: is it still possible, when "command" can be anything?
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08:53.09cornfickeri just got through fighting xorg and nvidia driver, and went back to a free driver and finally got my resolution back to what it was before and restarted x, but the issue seems to be sometimes fonts are still not what they were before
08:53.13cornfickerdoes xorg control these as well?
08:53.39cornfickersometimes after fighting with different resolutions fonts seem to randomly change
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08:53.54cornfickerive already restarted x
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08:54.32cornfickermy system can't seem to keep consistent fonts, they are larger than what they were
08:54.43Ace2016_-wrong dpi?
08:55.11cornfickerwhy would that change by itself though
08:55.16cornfickerim not sure.. ill check
08:55.20cornfickeri think it was at 72 before
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08:56.13Ace2016_-72 is pretty small
08:56.14rvsjoen_sjokkis : not completely sure what you are trying to accomplish
08:56.18Ace2016_-cornficker: you could look here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_Size.2FDPI
08:56.38sjokkisrvsjoen_: i want to type, for instance "mount -a, woman" and have that execute "sudo mount -a"
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08:56.54Ace2016_-rvsjoen_: guess he is trying to run commands in a sexist way
08:57.03rvsjoen_oh
08:57.13krux0lol
08:57.26sjokkisAce2016_-: yeah, that's it
08:57.33rvsjoen_well nobody can say it isn't original
08:58.36krux0would: woman, mount -a work for you?
08:58.36cornfickersmaller dpi = smaller font yes
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08:58.45jelly-homesjokkis: , is a legal character for a filename (and therefore a command or perhaps its argument)
08:58.54cornfickerits at 96 now, i swore it was at 72 before, ill try changing that
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08:59.13Ace2016_-cornficker: that way you waste screen space, i prefer larger dpi but higher resolution
08:59.45sjokkiskrux0: no, unfortunately not
08:59.47jelly-homesjokkis: if you invented a less offensive example someone might be inclined to help
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08:59.54sjokkisjelly-home: oh okay
09:00.04sjokkishey guys i want to alias "command, sudo" to "sudo command"
09:00.28sjokkiswhere 'command' can be any command
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09:00.48krux0sjokkis, it can be done. it'll take me about 8 hours max to figure out
09:01.03sjokkissweet, i'll check back with you after work, k?
09:01.12krux0i have to work too
09:01.16sjokkisaw :(
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09:01.27rvsjoen_so its more like a week ? ^_^
09:01.44krux0you work first shift don't ya?
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09:19.48Internatnoob question.. how in screen do i page up
09:20.23tdeathctrl a+esc
09:20.28tdeaththen you can arrow up the buffer
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09:27.56thaspin my prior install it'd ask me for a password, then if something was wrong, it would give an error. here it doesn't seem to try. i know it can't be a network issue if smbclient can connect, so I must be missing something obvious
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09:28.33cornfickerhmm not sure what the issue was
09:28.39cornfickeri rebooted and fonts went back to normal
09:28.54cornfickerbut no amount of xorg.conf and gdm.conf tweaking and x restarting fixed it
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09:29.09thaspcifs really dislikes me
09:29.09cornfickerso it was obviously something in memory or cache that got messed up after using different modes/drivers
09:29.11cornfickerrebot fixed it
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09:29.42cornfickerthis happens occationally, so at least i know now a reboot will fix i
09:30.06cornfickerbut fighting with nvidia driver can still be a pain if u have to restart x, thats why i went back to nv
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09:30.44E-bolaDo anybody know of a bug in debian that makes software raids show up as auto-readonly in the mdstat file?
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09:35.22cornfickerso if im using 1024 then go to 1600 then back to 1024 fonts will be larger than normal, they wont go back to normal, restarting x doesnt fix it but reboot seems to always work
09:35.29cornfickerim just not sure what isnt getting 'reset'
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09:36.47cornfickerthe initial problem was not being able to get the nvidia driver to keep the correct mode when restarting gdm, that is what screws up my display
09:37.06cornfickerill just use a different driver when i dont need OGL
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09:37.17cornfickeri still havent got that driver figured out yet
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09:38.55EE_BBhii all when I typing "find . -mtime -6" in "/root" output shows files correctly but shows . extra
09:39.24EE_BBis there any way to hide . because I will redirect this to rm
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09:39.44EE_BBexec command raise an error becase of .
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09:43.30jelly-homeEE_BB: if you want files only, tell find so. -type f
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09:44.11EE_BBno I need to see directories
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09:48.36_037i m tryin to make a .deb using dh_make ... but its always gettin installed in / . how can i change it?
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09:49.14AliTarihiHi, Anyone knows about the Load_Cycle problem in debian?
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09:56.26liablewhat does that mean anyway?
09:57.07bolt-workafaik it's how long it takes to run through the list of nicknames and such
09:57.13AliTarihiHi, Anyone knows about the Load_Cycle problem in debian?
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09:57.39bolt-workthe time required before the client is "synced" to whatever status the channel is currently in
09:57.58bolt-workwhich takes 4 seconds on my pentium 133
09:58.03bolt-work:D
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09:58.57bolt-workAliTarihi: if "the Load_Cycle problem" is a well known problem, which is debian specific, it should definately be on the buglist
10:00.11AliTarihibolt-work: I know that. I was looking for a fix. I heard acpi-support has solved the problem.
10:00.58bolt-workAliTarihi: the fix should also be there if there is one
10:01.15AliTarihith
10:01.17AliTarihithx *
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10:09.09nico_Hi. Don't know where to ask this, but when I compile a C++ program it seems that the *.o files are first written to the disk and then fed to the linker. Is there a way to keep the *.o files in memory to speed up the compilation process?
10:09.44bolt-work#C++ i'd guess
10:10.06nico_Ok
10:10.06nsadminnico_: info gcc, invoking
10:10.22bolt-worknico_: if the project is not too large, you could make a ramdisk...
10:10.45nsadminif info gcc does not give you the info page, install it from non-free
10:10.51nico_bolt-work: How do I do that?
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10:12.00pifhi, any xterm expert here?
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10:12.09nsadmin!anyone
10:12.09dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
10:12.12bolt-workpif: just ask your question
10:12.19elipsisHow and where do I add a path to $PATH? (thus preventing me from having to link each individual program that I install to a certain directory)
10:12.50pifhi, in my xterm status and title have a dark font: http://zenon.apartia.fr/stuff/irssi_xterm.png
10:13.09pifbut they're supposed to display white
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10:13.35nsadminelipsis: depends on how permanent you want to make it. PATH is an environment variable
10:14.26nsadminyou can read the documentation on your shell to see how to set environment variables
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10:15.09elipsisnsadmin: Instead of having to individually link each program I install in /toolz is there a better way of linking everything? I heard in the past that it had something to do with the profile file.
10:15.24bolt-worknico_: tmpfs
10:16.03valdynelipsis: depends
10:16.05valdyn!dotfiles
10:16.05dpkgmethinks dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles, or http://www.dotfiles.com/  Remember that changes to these files won't be reflected until you log out and then log back in.  Ask me about <bash login scripts>.
10:16.05nsadminelipsis: set prefix to the same for all programs
10:16.22valdynelipsis: ^^^ expecially if you use X you want to  read that
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10:16.50nsadminor take the default prefix, which for most things (gnu tools especially) that prefix is /usr/local
10:17.27nsadminwhich means your programs will be installed in places like... /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib, etc
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10:18.24nsadminif you do something like that, then you only need additional path entry, in this example (and for the default prefix) is /usr/local
10:18.50H2S04nsadmin, I like my prefix to be /opt/
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10:19.05nsadminso you have to set it to that
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10:19.26valdynH2S04: that is very unusual
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10:19.53valdynH2S04: as /opt is for files grouped per application
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10:21.20valdynnico_: why the hell do you think that this would speed up things or that writing .o files to disk would slow things?
10:21.41ricoshadyits weird, if you disable authpasswords on sshd, it wont accept them, but still lets you enter a username first before disconnect
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10:22.28elipsisnsadmin: Can I change that? I mean, can I add another 'default' directory???
10:22.56nsadminnot sure you're understanding...
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10:23.00nsadminwhat I'm saying is..
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10:23.16nsadminif you leave the prefix unset, it will choose a default
10:23.33nsadminmost gnu tools default to /usr/local
10:23.41nsadminso far so good?
10:24.48nsadminhmm, 2:30 am... I should crash
10:24.51elipsisAll I want to do is make everything I install in /toolz visible anywhere, so if I were to just type in the tool name (not including directory) into any Terminal, the program will launch/run?
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10:25.34valdynelipsis: you really mean toolz/bin ?
10:25.41nsadminit depends on how you arrange the toolz dir
10:26.05valdynelipsis: did you even read the dotfiles stuff?
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10:26.35elipsisI don't think there is much point, since I want my changes saved for the Live Session user, not really my currently logged in user.
10:26.52nsadminif you put al the apps in /toolz/bin, you can set prefix to /toolz for future compiles and add /toolz/bin to PATH and /toolz/lib to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
10:28.17nsadminelipsis: you should consider studying how and where apps are normally built and installed, and what env var settings support them
10:28.38elipsisnsadmin: Would it be a better idea to wait till I have built all the programs that need to be built from source, then come back here and ask what to do?
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10:29.16nsadminif I were you, I'd set all their prefixes to /toolz
10:29.27nsadminif that's where you want em
10:29.38nsadminbut see... you can figure this out
10:29.51nsadminit's not rocket science, far from it
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10:30.35nsadminthe better idea (your words) is for you to understand what's actually going on
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10:31.53elipsisnsadmin: Hmm...
10:31.54nsadminsince you're building the stuff yourself, you already know pieces of it
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10:32.02itewshis away: aw !
10:32.20PeanutDoes anyone here have experience with building/using/maintaining a real-time kernel with Debian? Debian doesn't seem to ship with a compiled, supported version of this kernel?
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10:32.55elipsisnsadmin: On that note, I have separated the files of aircrack into just the built (16 programs, 16 files) and the manpages folder. How do I incorporate the manpages into the actual manpages of my operating system?
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10:34.45elipsisI have separated the files of aircrack into just the built (16 programs, 16 files) and the manpages folder. How do I incorporate the manpages into the actual manpages of my operating system?
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10:47.27elipsisI have compiled the lastest version of aircrack-ng. I deleted all the files except the compiled programs. Well them and the manpages folder. Now how do I add these files from the manpages folder 'into my computer'? Do I just put them in /usr/share/man
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10:51.06[twisti]hi, any idea how i turn off the monitor/the laptop display in a text-only-install of debian ?
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10:52.42elipsisclear
10:52.47elipsisoops forgot the /
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10:52.54elipsisI have compiled the lastest version of aircrack-ng. I deleted all the files except the compiled programs. Well them and the manpages folder. Now how do I add these files from the manpages folder 'into my computer'? Do I just put them in /usr/share/man
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10:54.52mhymnsimply examine that!
10:56.36masushi all , i have forget my pass on debian etch and want to recovery with edit the line kernel and add init=/bin/bash at the end of the line,and at the root prompt i put the foloowing command mount -o remount,rw / , afterthis i will tyoe passwd but i get command not found . does anyone know why ? Thanks all
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10:57.27derjenshello everyone
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10:57.59derjenswhat is the easiest way to make fresh apache2 installation serving only to localhost?
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10:58.05elipsisxampp
10:58.06elipsislampp
10:58.19geophoenixhow can i port drivers from freebsd to linux ?
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10:58.26geophoenix*use
10:58.38derjensi need apache to do php development and dont like other people looking at all of that
10:58.58derjenselipsis, you can give me some hint how to configure apache?
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10:59.49elipsisI'm confused, I'm trying to add a path of my choosing to the $PATH enviromental variable, and I was recommended editing /etc/profile. Is this the correct way to do what I want to do?
10:59.58jkphi all: can someone tell me how to get my debian box to correctly respond to daylight savings?
10:59.58miksuhfglrx 1:8-12-4 packages in lenny are totally broken
11:00.14jkpi have it set to Europe/London, but the time is still an hour ahead of what it should be
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11:01.03miksuhI installed latest updates and then rebooted
11:01.11derjensjk, have you been using windows before=
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11:01.25miksuhi got only black screen when gdm tried to start
11:01.29derjensjkp, the above was for you
11:01.30miksuhthe system hanged
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11:01.38miksuhsame happens if i run startx
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11:01.44jkpderjens: no, im a unix / linux user
11:01.54jkposx mostly, but im comfortable finding my way around
11:02.10miksuhI downgraded to 1:8-7-3 fglrx packages and now everything woprks again
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11:02.19elipsisI'm confused, I'm trying to add a path of my choosing to the $PATH enviromental variable, and I was recommended editing /etc/profile. Is this the correct way to do what I want to do?
11:02.29miksuhsomething like this should not happens this close to release
11:02.37derjensjkp, actually debian is aware of any daylight saving rules. is your bios clock set to the UTC?
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11:03.03miksuhfglrx is totally unusable in lenny now
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11:03.13jkpderjens: possibly :/...do i need to configure it in the bios?  that would be a pain (its a headless box in my attic)
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11:03.36danielitowhat means the number on a ls-command?
11:03.52danielito1 is for files, ".." directory owns 15, normal directories often a 3
11:03.56danielitowhat does it stand for?
11:04.01derjensjkp, of course you dont need to. if you have selected the correct timezone then set the correct time with date and write the time to the bios afterwards
11:04.13derjensjkp, let me google for the right cmd
11:04.32jkpderjens: good stuff...this assume i wont use NTP then>?
11:05.09derjensjkp, hwclock is the cmd of your choice
11:05.26jkpderjens: ok...so i need to set the hardware clock and all will be well?
11:05.39jkpderjens: do you know how ntp would interact with all this?
11:05.56derjensjkp, of course you should use NTP to keep your clock accurate but by writing the time to the hwclock you can make your system use the right time even at startuo
11:05.56miksuhluckily there is snapshot.debian.net otherwise I would have to use vesa drivers now :P
11:06.30derjensjkp, i dont know if everything will be okay after doing so. i know to little about your config to tell that
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11:07.07jkpjkp@kvm-host:~$ sudo hwclock
11:07.08jkpTue 27 Jan 2009 12:02:26 GMT  -0.253504 second
11:07.13derjensjkp, NTP does not interfere with your hwclock in any way. it does only depend on your system time
11:07.15jkpthats an hour too fast
11:07.28jkpjkp@kvm-host:~$ date
11:07.29jkpTue Jan 27 12:02:55 GMT 2009
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11:08.04derjensjkp, well, the last value tells you that your hwclock is less than 1sec differing to your sys time. that means you need to correct the sys time first
11:08.05jkpso i presumably need to set my hardware clock back an hour, and if i install ntp too it would sync up regardless
11:08.32jkpderjens: oh?
11:08.39jkpwhat makes it differ?
11:08.46derjensjkp, nope. in linux it is recommended using UTC as hwclock time
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11:09.17jkpis there an easy way to find and set that?
11:09.19derjensjkp, if you have set up your timezone right, did you ever set the correct time since then?
11:09.32jkpderjens: timezone was set on install
11:09.44jkpi did do a dpkg-reconfigure to make sure it was right this morning
11:09.46jkpbut it was
11:10.08derjensjkp, makes no difference. you still need to make sure the time is actually correct
11:10.31derjenstime can be set wrong regardless in which timezone you're located:)
11:10.43jkpderjens: should i just install ntp and be done?
11:11.41derjensjkp, i recommend doing so but IMO you could set it quite right in the first place. ntp will take a long time to reverse a diff of 1h because it turns the clock in very small steps
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11:11.58elipsisgoes to bed
11:12.09FelipeFerreirahow to wins on dhcp
11:12.12FelipeFerreira?
11:12.18jkpderjens: ok, i know nothing about the myriad of time based comands on linux
11:12.20derjensjkp, so do "date -s YOURTIME" first. have a look at "man date" to find out which date format to use
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11:14.42jkpok, i set it pretty much right (within a few seconds)
11:14.52jkpnow do i need to do the hwclock?
11:15.14derjensjkp, that's okay. now it should keep the right time. for more accuracy just install and set up ntp
11:15.23jkpive instaklled it
11:15.30jkpis extra setup required?
11:15.43jkp(there were no configuration steps when i installed)
11:15.50derjensjkp, nope. forget about hwclock. sorry, i just forgot that debian does this by default. this info is only valid for other distros
11:16.00jkpok...good stuff
11:16.04jkpderjens: thanks dude
11:16.22jkpits been bugging me for a while: all my VM's are out by an hour since they pick up their time from the host
11:16.43derjensjkp, by default ntp asks a global pool of ntp servers. if you are likely you can change that to some local ntp servers. e.g. many IPSs offer ntp servers
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11:17.45derjensjkp, did you do the last steps on your host? then shutting down and starting your VMs again should correct their times
11:17.50jkpsure
11:18.05jkpi cant be bothered this second but next time round they should get the right time
11:18.16jellyjkp: uh... can't you fix the time on host?
11:18.38jkpi fixed time on the host just now jelly
11:19.08derjensjkp, if you are running 24/7 servers in your VMs and do not restart them regularly, you should consider installing NTP in the VMs though
11:19.22jkpderjens: yeah, i could do that too
11:21.33masushi all , i have forget my pass on debian etch and want to recovery with edit the line kernel and add init=/bin/bash at the end of the line, at the root prompt i put the foloowing command mount -o remount,rw / , after this i will type passwd but i get command not found. Does anyone know why? Thanks all...
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11:22.05jkpthanks guys...cya soon
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11:23.14[twisti]how would i go about fixing this error message ? No APM support in kernel
11:23.49liableapm is deprecated
11:23.59[twisti]well, nothing else is working
11:24.04[twisti]at least i cant get it to work
11:24.28[twisti]ive been searching google for hours, and all i get are tips for doing it with x (which i dont have nor want) and setterm parameters that have no effect
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11:24.57liableapm has nothing to do with x, what are you trying to do?
11:25.16bolt-work[twisti]: modprobe apm?
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11:25.27[twisti]i just want to turn off my display/monitor
11:25.42bolt-workapm may be deprecated, but it's still the only thing that works on some machines. my old dell laptop can't live without it
11:25.47bolt-workor, rather, can't die without it :D
11:25.51bolt-workno way to turn it off
11:25.53[twisti]i even set it to turn off via the bios, but debian seems to overwrite the bios settings
11:26.15[twisti]anchorage:~# modprobe apm
11:26.15[twisti]FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
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11:26.32bolt-worksay what?
11:27.06liablewhats that x program? xdms or something
11:27.08[twisti]thats the error i get
11:27.13bolt-workxdpms
11:27.15[twisti]dpms
11:27.18bolt-workno wait
11:27.19bolt-workxset dpms
11:27.34bolt-workxset dpms force off
11:27.43[twisti]well, i dont have x, and id prefer it to stay that way
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11:28.02bolt-workwhy?
11:28.38liableif its a server, just remove the monitor and ssh into it :)
11:29.11[twisti]its a server, but its also a laptop, so i dont fancy the idea of opening it up
11:29.27bolt-workjust close the lid then?
11:29.35liablenot a good idea
11:29.35bolt-workdoesn't that shut off the monitor?
11:29.42bolt-workwhy not?
11:29.44bolt-workheat?
11:29.46liablesome laptops will overheat if you do that
11:29.48[twisti]then it will probably turn off, but even if it doesnt, it will overheat, since the fan is under the keyboard
11:30.04bolt-workworth a try, i'd say. none of mine overheat by having their lids closed
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11:30.32bolt-workgiven, the one that has a decent graphics card will get mighty warm and run its fan at full speed, but it doesn't overheat
11:30.40Caelumsshfs doesn't give very good error messages
11:30.44liableit should shut down the screen though even without x
11:30.51[twisti]this one will, it already gets very hot with the lid open, and as i said, the fan is in the middle of the keyboard, so there would be nowhere to go for the hot air
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11:31.10[twisti]liable: what should ?
11:32.26liable[twisti]: a laptop screen. when i have had mine running x-less they shut down the screen after a while. yours should do it too, but i'm not coming up with a reason why it isn't
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11:34.02mardihi all, i'm using lenny with xfce and i think i might have a random run away process, any ideas where i start with tracking it down? I can hear it crunching my cpu but htop does not show anything odd
11:34.47liablehear it cruching the cpu? do you have superman hearing? ;) sure its not the drive?
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11:35.16mardiliable: pretty sure, i use a laptop and it sounds like the cpu
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11:36.15liablemardi: i think you might be mistaken. what makes you say it sounds like the cpu? I have never heard a cpu.
11:36.17mardiwhen I open up the start menu it stops
11:36.46liableis it a squeal?
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11:37.50enoufcpus only make noises when they crash-n-burn ... it's your HDD you hear
11:38.05mardidon't think so, i've heard hard drive squeal on my old box, this makes a low steady grind kinda noise, and when i open the start menu it stops, somtimes when i open or close a program it can stop also
11:38.13jellymardi: is it a thinkpad?
11:38.15mardihmm, maybe my hdd
11:38.26enoufdifferent drives make different noises
11:38.29mardijelly: no, it a old hp pavilion
11:38.40mardienouf: true true
11:39.03jellysome thinkpads made (make?) weird noises on cpu frequency changes
11:39.21mardihmm, i hope it's not the hdd
11:39.28mardiconsiders backups
11:39.37enouf...
11:40.40mardiso i guess accessing the start menu and such is using the hdd, which then... makes the noise stop?
11:40.52bolt-worknot backing up a laptop harddrive is basically saying you don't care about anything that's on it
11:41.07bolt-workwhich could in many cases be true, of course, but if it isn't - keep a backup
11:41.15mardibolt-work: well, really i don't... the important stuff is on my wifes box
11:41.37mardii do have my resume on here, so there are some things i need to back up
11:41.47mardigrabs the thumby
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11:44.03[twisti]cpus cant make sound, no matter what, but a temperature-sensitive cpu-fan could be the reason for the noise
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11:44.27mardiyeh, i must have been mistaking the hdd crunching noise for cpu
11:44.56mardii can hear the fan when it kicks up, sounds normal for this lappy, i think
11:45.21bolt-workseveral capacitors might make noise though
11:45.24enouf[twisti]: set one on fire ... and listen
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11:46.57[twisti]damn
11:47.08[twisti]yesterday i removed my X with aptitude remove x11-common
11:47.19[twisti]but it looks like x is the only way to shut off this blasted display
11:47.31[twisti]so how do i get my x back ? install x11-common doesnt seem to be it
11:47.42bolt-work!set up x
11:47.42dpkgTo install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>.
11:47.55[twisti]thanks
11:48.22bolt-work[twisti]: X + ratpoison wm + xterm. looks just like the console, but can fire up gui applications when needed
11:48.42bolt-work[twisti]: there's no way to tell the difference between my desktop and the console by just looking :)
11:48.45[twisti]i dont use the console anyways
11:48.54mardihehe
11:49.13[twisti]i use this thing exclusively via ssh
11:49.19[twisti]hence me wanting to turn off the display ;)
11:49.20enoufawards bolt-work 3 more pocketprotectors
11:49.48enouf;-)
11:50.11bolt-work8D
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12:09.01dpkg<Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong!
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12:09.21Lirezhmy ssh-keygen (etch) generates keys that are invalid!
12:09.34Lirezhssh bitches about misin whitespaces and missing keytype information
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12:10.10dutchfishhi, how can i mount a COW for changes (like snapshotting) if i where too use something like mount -o loop fo.img /path/dir, so i will be able to isogen an altered version (scriptomatically)?
12:10.37liableLirezh: i'm not sure it your problem, but make sure you have etch security enabled and up to date, because there has been the openssl thing
12:10.46Lirezhdebug3: Not a RSA1 key file ./testkey.
12:10.54Lirezhdebug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN'
12:11.03Lirezhand 20 more errors
12:11.07Lirezhon a fresh generated key
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12:11.10masushi all , i have forget my pass on debian etch and want to recovery with edit the line kernel and add init=/bin/bash at the end of the line, at the root prompt i put the foloowing command mount -o remount,rw / , after this i will type passwd but i get command not found. passwd is in /usr/bin/ and it's not mounted... Does anyone know why? Thanks all...
12:11.31Lirezhi have security active and just tried to update, all up to date
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12:14.37dutchfishLirezh, are you up 2 date with the system? what kernel and debian version?
12:15.18Lirezhthe kernel is a 2.6.24 , system is up to date etch
12:15.31Lirezhi tried updating , but no relevant packages are old
12:15.37dutchfishLirezh, where you got the kernel from? bpo?
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12:16.12Lirezhno, i can't change it without risk as it is a dedicated production server. kernel was preinstalled but i can't see a relation between ssh and the kernel?
12:16.45dutchfishLirezh, ok, dont
12:16.55Lirezhit look slike ssh-keygen in general creates wrong keys
12:17.03Lirezhi can reproduce that on a number of boxes
12:17.22Lirezhcreate a key with ssh-keygen. then read it in again by ssh-keygen -f -l -vvv
12:17.27Lirezhyou'll get 30 lines of errors
12:17.41dutchfishLirezh, there where some issues in etch 3 - 6 months back regarding ssh, many of those generated keys are blacklisted, so it could be related
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12:18.13Lirezhhm it's a parser issue
12:18.19Lirezhi have current patches
12:18.22dutchfishLirezh, if you have updated those are corrected and the bad keys are blacklisted and you have been asked to regenerate on update
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12:19.21dutchfishLirezh, did you unraffle the logs? is ssh farthing or are the keys really bad?
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12:19.51Lirezhit doe snot appear in the logs
12:19.57Lirezhonly if you start ssh in verbose mode you see it
12:20.19dutchfishLirezh, http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys
12:20.47dutchfishLirezh, read the part that talks about indentifying weak keys
12:21.40dutchfishLirezh, and http://www.debian.org/security/key-rollover/#openssh
12:22.15dutchfishLirezh, i have a belly feeling this is related
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12:22.50dutchfishLirezh, also double check security on thta box if this is a production system (rkhunter debsums etc etc)
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12:24.07dutchfishLirezh, shouldnt that be like: ssh-keygen -t rsa -f foo ?
12:24.15Lirezhssh-vulnkey does not report anything
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12:24.24dutchfishLirezh, ok, thats something
12:24.29dusty__Hey guys I have a problem getting udev installed correctly as you can see here: http://rafb.net/p/OaylII39.html - how do i fix this ?
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12:25.09Lirezhdutch can you test it yon your box ?
12:25.15Lirezhcreate a key with ssh-keygen
12:25.26Lirezhand read it in again with ssh-keygen -f keyname -l -vvv
12:25.34Lirezhthis just prints the key id
12:25.47Lirezh-vvv prints extra info, in my case 20 lines of warnings/errors about they key
12:26.15dutchfishLirezh, i normally did (ssh server) : ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub without errors on etch
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12:26.31Lirezh-vvv
12:27.13dutchfishLirezh, i am not on a etch system atm, so its not relevant i replay your actions
12:27.26Lirezhit would not cost you half a minute
12:27.57dutchfishLirezh, ok, i will on a lenny system, can you pastebin yours?
12:28.32Lirezhsure
12:29.02Lirezhhttp://pastebin.com/m4de5af50
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12:29.31mardicusco: hi!
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12:29.54cane9hi
12:30.00cuscoIm interested in running debian from a sd card or a usb stick in any computer I plug it to
12:30.20cane9can anyone tell me what the 64bit java plugin's package is?
12:30.33dutchfishLirezh, pretty obvious, your etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key looks the culprit, hold on i check
12:30.41cane9if there is anyhting of the sort, which there should be as sun started to distribute it..
12:30.45LirezhI get those errors on any key i generate
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12:31.07cusco!java amd64
12:31.07dpkgTo run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin.  Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper>  Alternatively, in lenny or later, try the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin package.
12:31.16dutchfishLirezh, ouch, i have the same on lenny, hold on
12:31.21Lirezhthough tso
12:31.30Lirezhthis seems to be a bug in all ssh versions
12:31.46Lirezhyou can find that error messages tens of thousands of times via google. lol ^^
12:32.30dutchfishLirezh, this is mine: http://pastebin.com/m1ac1c84b
12:32.54dutchfishLirezh, also with my the key got generated and is usable
12:33.05Lirezhyep my key usually is also usable
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12:33.19Lirezhi just recognized that bug because i can not login in a single system if i do not add -vvvv to my ssh client
12:33.20dutchfishLirezh, intresting .... mmm
12:33.42cane9cusco, ok, yep, thanks. i'll try icedtea
12:34.08cane9no way i install and maintain two separate debian systems just because of java-plugin i hardly ever use..
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12:35.36prxtienhey all, can anyone help me with a compilation/makefile error... make[1]: *** No rule to make target `gcc', needed by `app_transcoder.so'.  Stop.
12:35.54cane9do you have gcc installed at all? :-)
12:35.57prxtienyeah
12:36.07prxtieni am half way through a big compilation when i get to ttat
12:36.08prxtiento that
12:36.18cane9target gcc seems like it wants to compile gcc? :-)
12:36.26prxtienapp_transcoder.so : app_transcoder.o $(CC) $(SOLINK) -o $@ ${CYGSOLINK} $< ${CYGSOLIB} -lavcodec
12:36.34cane9what are you trying to compile?
12:36.35prxtienthis seems to be the string at fault
12:36.44prxtienan asterisk transcoder module
12:37.06cane9are there any other similar lines around this line?
12:37.16prxtienjsut that one
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12:40.43dutchfishLirezh, this smells like a bug, did you report it?
12:41.07Lirezhnot yet
12:41.12dutchfishLirezh, or are we missing a point here?
12:41.26Lirezhnah it#s a bug in most or all openssh packages
12:41.34dutchfishLirezh, i am lenny latest amd64, its exactly the same
12:41.36Lirezhbut most probably not my real issue
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12:41.57dutchfishLirezh, probabaly
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12:42.51dutchfishLirezh, one more thing: because i runned mine in a chroot wich i created for that purpose, what gives hostname -f on your system?
12:43.05dutchfishLirezh, is it a fqdn?
12:43.15Lirezhno
12:44.03dutchfishLirezh, can you make it so, and test again?
12:44.09Lirezhjust tested, same issue
12:44.17dutchfishLirezh, ok
12:44.57dutchfishLirezh, nothing in there that seams alike: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=openssh&include=tags:patch&exclude=tags:pending&pend-exc=done&repeatmerged=no
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12:45.21Lirezhi might add it later
12:45.29dutchfishplease do, thanks
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12:50.26Supranoi startet a second Xserver with X :1.0  but i can't start any programs on it:  X: client 1 rejected from local host
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12:53.50dusty__Hey guys I have a problem when running a upgrade/dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/p/3osJ4911.html - its a problem with udev and hotplug has anyone seen this issue ??
12:53.54dusty__How do i fix it >
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12:58.58kaankanathi guys!
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13:03.49jellydusty__: no idea, but... which debian release are you using? old and new versions of udev?
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13:05.47dutchfishdusty__, i ran into simular problems when ->lenny, could you please pastebin ls -la /dev/.udev/failed/
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13:07.51miksuhhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=513222
13:07.55dutchfishdusty__, my problems where related to 2.26-1 & udev
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13:08.27miksuhif you have problems with fglrx, read that
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13:10.15dutchfishdusty__, are you running inside a VM like openvz?
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13:11.00kinja-sheepHi -- I'm comfortable with Ubuntu -- However -- I'm very curious about switching over to Debian (as to avoid the fork of the Debian itself).  Where can I read up a good con/pro on Debian + Ubuntu?  I kept finding people and their biased opinions on the forums. <_<
13:12.13pobegakinja-sheep: You could just try Debian in a VM and see if it works for you. Debian's become a whole lot easier to use in the past year or so, and all of the talk saying it's a geek-only distro is FUD
13:12.33kinja-sheeppobega: FUD?
13:12.44pobegakinja-sheep: fear/uncertainty/doubt
13:13.03pobegaBasically, inexperienced people spreading rumours about things beyond their understanding :]
13:13.05kinja-sheeppobega: Good idea -- I haven't thought of that.  It's very similar -- just a little different. ;)
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13:13.49randuxi saw a sig somewhere that says Ubuntu is an African word that means Slackware is too hard for me LOL
13:13.50pobegakinja-sheep: It's all in all the same thing. As a drawback Debian doesn't configure as much by default, but it lets you configure things more. Debian also has more packages (I believe...) than Ubuntu.
13:14.09pobegarandux: I read that too, haha.
13:14.30randuxi may run lenny64 when it finally goes official
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13:15.20dutchfish!tell kinja-sheep about whydebian
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13:16.50kinja-sheepSomebody in the charge of the bot need to remove the link -- http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks
13:16.56kinja-sheepA dead giveaway. :<
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13:18.03runahi does anyone use kazehakase? I want to know how can i set control+l as in firefox. I saw in the menu a key accelerator but i cant find the option
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13:19.30dutchfishkinja-sheep, yes, saw that, sorry
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13:19.41dutchfish!debianlove
13:19.41dpkgdebianlove is, like, the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org.
13:19.49kinja-sheepdutchfish: Np.  I just want to let you know.  Two last links. ;)
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13:21.41dutchfishkinja-sheep, basically if you thinking of a desktop/lappy debian lenny's latest installer goes smooth, at least smoother then my expirience with intrepid or or distros
13:21.52dusty__dutchfish: http://rafb.net/p/QRRpno30.html
13:22.11dutchfishdusty__, thta means udev isnt installed?
13:22.23dusty__well the install errors out
13:22.25dutchfishdusty__, are you on etch and upgrading to lenny?
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13:22.36dusty__no
13:22.40dusty__just etch grabbing updates
13:22.58dusty__apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ; apt-get dist-upgrade (with etch repos)
13:23.07dutchfishdusty__, ? you are doing a dist-upgrade...
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13:23.54dutchfishdusty__, ok, 1st if your system hasnt had updates in a long time just aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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13:24.21dutchfishdusty__, after you have all the new fixes and prolly latest kernel for your .version then repeat with dist-upgrade
13:24.39dutchfishdusty__, after all etch had 6 release updates
13:24.52dusty__Unknown command "safe-upgrade"
13:25.00Uranellushello, I'm running debian on a usb stick .. a running system sent these messages to a syslog server .. looks like the usb stick has gone down, correct? http://pastebin.ca/1319493
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13:25.43dutchfishdusty__, aptitude safe-upgrade must be in
13:25.48dutchfishdusty__, i am sure
13:26.02kinja-sheepUnder Debian's Small CDs..... There are two available choices -- 180MB + 40MB -- It don't really say any differences between them than the fact it's for... regular disc size and mini-disc size... Does 40MB install/update everything via internet to "180MB?"
13:26.08dusty__dutchfish: nope i dont have it
13:26.14dutchfishdusty__, no, my mistake its on lenny so aptitude upgrade
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13:28.46rvsjoen_any way to make autofs use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs with autodetecting the file system on usb drives ? somehow blacklisting the normal ntfs module
13:29.30dusty__dutchfish: check out: http://rafb.net/p/UJG2ms41.html - errors.
13:29.36dutchfish!etch->lenny
13:29.58themilldpkg, etch->lenny
13:29.58dpkgEnsure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade).  Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny.  aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade.  Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>.
13:30.11themilldutchfish: you can't use ! on factoids with a -> in them. Don't ask why.
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13:30.30dutchfishthemill, ok, good to know
13:30.35dusty__dutchfish: i still get those errors.
13:30.41dusty__even if i do the dist-upgrade
13:30.59max06|workgood morning... can anybody tell me, if openssh provides chrooting-functionality?
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13:31.41dutchfishdusty__, can you try as root instead of sudo, because sudo itself will be upgraded in the process
13:31.54dusty__dutchfish: run what a sroot instead of sudo
13:32.11dutchfishdusty__, just su - and rerun
13:32.19dusty__i had to apt-get remove --purge udev to get those errors to go then run the aptititude
13:32.38dutchfishdusty__, then reinstall udev
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13:34.00dusty__dutchfish: something is fu*ked with debian look: http://rafb.net/p/oLcDmI35.html
13:34.13kinja-sheepWhen is lenny scheduled to release? (stable).
13:34.23avukinja-sheep, when it's ready.
13:35.02kinja-sheepavu: How about time schedule?  Something to let me get the concept.... Ubuntu release their version every 6 months..... 3 years each for LTS, etc.
13:35.14avukinja-sheep, there is none
13:35.18kinja-sheepavu: Or it's same as you said... when it's ready?
13:35.19dusty__argh this is doing my bloody head in why is the udev package broken!?
13:35.20avukinja-sheep, it's realeased when it's ready
13:35.28dutchfishdusty__, ok, do aptitude clean && aptitude update , then try upgrade again
13:35.29kinja-sheepavu: Got it.
13:36.11dutchfishdusty__, as root
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13:37.16themilldusty__: what kernel is this on? (uname -r)
13:37.33kinja-sheepavu: Any chance you know what's the significant differences with this --> Under Debian's Small CDs..... There are two available choices -- 180MB + 40MB -- It don't really say any differences between them than the fact it's for... regular disc size and mini-disc size... Does 40MB install/update everything via internet to "180MB?"
13:37.35dusty__dutchfish: http://rafb.net/p/QKVLvB93.html
13:37.43dusty__Linux mail.stoned-hacker.co.uk 2.6.27-tango-r3 #1 SMP Fri Nov 14 20:22:51 MSK 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
13:38.13avukinja-sheep, the slightly larger version contains the full base system iirc
13:38.32dusty__themill: ^^
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13:38.42dusty__this is a slice on a vps server
13:38.53themilldusty__: uhuh... that's no debian kernel....
13:38.55avukinja-sheep, while the smaller variant really only contains the installer, so everything has to be fetched fromt he network during installation
13:39.03dutchfishdusty__, openvz (i asked you that before)/
13:39.12dutchfishdusty__, ?
13:39.30avukinja-sheep, I prefer the larger variant. the base system hast to be installed in any case anyway. only everything *after* that is different depending on what the system is used for
13:41.04kinja-sheepavu: Good.  I like to keep everything minimal and install essential packages.  Anything else is gah-gah.
13:41.05dutchfishdusty__, udev on openvz VM and also on others but not kvm can be hairy
13:41.07dusty__dutchfish: yes the host runs openvz - and this is a slice debian on the host
13:41.20dusty__ahh that makes sense.. so just remove udev?
13:41.33dutchfishdusty__, you should RTFM the merits of upgrading an openvz vm
13:41.49dutchfishdusty__, no read the docs about it
13:41.50dusty__dutchfish: got a link ?
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13:42.06dusty__i didnt' know there were docs about it, let alone it would be any different.
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13:42.55dutchfishdusty__, hint: http://trulymanaged.com/blog/tag/what-is-udev/  there is MUCH more to it, please google is your friend ;)
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13:43.25dutchfishdusty__, start by installing/reading the openvz docs
13:43.55themill"When is virtualisation not virtualisation"
13:43.56dutchfishdusty__, you need a firm understanding on thi sissue before trying to upgrade a VM on openvz
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13:44.06dutchfishthemill, yep
13:44.24EugenMayerhello i just activated key-auth only on my server and having problems to connect on it
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13:44.38EugenMayerthe authlog does not say anything specific
13:44.59dusty__dutchfish: I don't run the openvz host - i just pay for a slice.
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13:45.30dutchfishdusty__, yes, but still if you told this the 2nd sentence i would have handed you the link right away
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13:46.18dusty__sorry i didn't think it would have much bearing - i was wrong and appriciate the help.
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13:46.32dutchfishdusty__, np mate
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13:53.23dutchfishthemill, could you remove the dead links from whydebian factoid? i dont know how to alte rit
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13:53.42valdyn!why debian
13:53.42dpkgDebian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
13:54.03dutchfishthe 2 last ones (if am no tmistaken)
13:54.11valdyndutchfish: you are
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13:54.27dutchfishugh it has already been altered ;(
13:54.31valdyndutchfish: these links work, all of them
13:54.31themilldpkg, no whydebian is <reply> see why debian
13:54.32dpkgthemill: okay
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13:54.33dutchfishthx
13:54.39valdynoops
13:54.47themillthere were, as ever, two slightly different factoids
13:54.55dutchfish!whydebian
13:54.56dpkgDebian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/
13:54.58dutchfishthta one
13:55.14valdynso dpkg parses "see why debian"
13:55.21themillvaldyn: yes
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13:56.28themillvaldyn:  "<reply> see $factoid"  (the <reply> bit is necessary too). See, e.g. /msg dpkg literal ssb ; /msg dpkg ssb
13:57.23dutchfishthemill, is there a clear explanation how to handle correcting mistake in the factoids, i have a few of myself i would like to update
13:57.52dutchfishthemill, thta is if i am allowed
13:57.58themilldutchfish: not that I know of. Watch and learn is about all I can suggest...
13:58.10valdyndutchfish: i know about regex and dpkg: no
13:58.29dutchfishthemill, any hint for replacing one completely?
13:58.30themilldutchfish: got an example? we can do it in the channel now since it's quiet
13:58.39dutchfish!hvm
13:58.39dpkghmm... hvm is used under xen to allow full virtualization of unmodified operating systems such as windows and unmodified kernels, for this to work you need a CPU with intel's VT or amd's pacifica support. xen also needs a special package xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 (Etch) to work with hvm. Read this for futher information on motherboards http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Motherboards
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13:58.58dutchfishi want to add more sources
13:59.11themilldutchfish: dpkg: no, factoid name is new factoid value    (note the declarative statement with no ... is ...)
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13:59.27themilldutchfish: to append dpkg, factoid name is also extra bits
13:59.33dutchfishthemill, bingo, thank you so much Sir
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14:00.08EugenMayerhow to debug why a user gets "permission denied" when trying to get a ssh connection ?
14:00.17dutchfishthemill, i will add some lenny specific ones (toruble solving) tonight
14:00.20themilldutchfish: remember that there's a limit to how long a factoid can be though and that you sometimes need to split it up or rewrite it to fit the data into the space you have
14:00.24valdynEugenMayer: what is "trying to get a ssh connection" ?
14:00.26dutchfishs/toruble/trouble
14:00.27EugenMayeri checked the perm. of .ssh and .ssh/autorized_file
14:00.37themilldutchfish: adding in new factoids? or adding things to existing ones?
14:00.44EugenMayervaldyn: connecting to a openssh server ( console )
14:00.45dutchfishthemill, both
14:00.59valdynEugenMayer: i suggest you paste the complete command including the errros on a paste site
14:01.00ohgsWhats the name of the ncurses program for choosing what daemons get started under Debian?
14:01.05dutchfishthemill, mostly new stuff (udev, xorg related) and kernel related stuff
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14:01.24enoufohgs: there are a few, /msg dpkg startup
14:01.25EugenMayervaldyn: ssh -p XXXX -i mykey root@host
14:01.34EugenMayervaldyn: its not my first ssh conenction.
14:01.45valdynEugenMayer: that is not a paste
14:01.50EugenMayervaldyn: and guess, my error is, permission denied.
14:01.52enoufohgs: rcconf, sysv-rc-conf, sysvrc, come to mind
14:02.11themilldutchfish: feel free to ask before adding or changing if you're not sure of the best way of wording things or if there are existing places where such details can go. (feel free to PM me or ping me in #debian-offtopic about it)
14:02.14valdynEugenMayer: ask someone else if you dont want to paste.
14:02.14ohgsenouf: rcconf - thats it - thanks!
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14:02.35dutchfishthemill, ok, i will ask BEFORE doing anything in debian-offtopic
14:03.03dutchfishthemill, dont want to mees with the bot, so others have to corretc my mistakes
14:03.06EugenMayervaldyn: i simple dont wont to waste my time.
14:03.12themilldutchfish: no worries :)
14:03.25dutchfishthemill, ok, thanks ;)
14:03.43enoufso waste ours?
14:03.48enouf!hurry
14:03.48dpkgOhhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy?  Welllllll...   We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you!
14:04.00themilldpkg, annoy enouf
14:04.00dpkgthemill: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
14:04.09themilldpkg: you're stupid
14:04.09dpkggoes and sulks in the corner
14:04.10enoufhah!
14:04.14dutchfish!comfort enouf
14:04.15dpkgThere, there, enouf.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
14:04.15pobegaCan I change Exim4's maildir from ~/Maildir to ~/mail/system?
14:04.19pobegaI can't figure out how...
14:04.44EugenMayertrying to connect through ssh and getting :
14:04.45EugenMayerdebug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed
14:04.46valdynpobega: which configuration method is your exim set to use? single file or many files?
14:04.47EugenMayerdebug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown>
14:04.52EugenMayer( verbose mode )
14:05.19pobegavaldyn: split files. this is my first time actually setting up exim by the way, so I apologize if I am retarded.
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14:06.38valdynpobega: cd /etc/exim4/conf.d; grep -R Maildir ./
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14:07.04dutchfishhi, how can i mount a COW for changes (like snapshotting) if i where too use something like mount -o loop fo.img /path/dir, so i will be able to isogen an altered version (scriptomatically)?
14:07.13rvsjoen_ok, how can I make automount work with ntfs-3g ?
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14:07.34valdynpobega: consider making a new file though as the name is confusing if you change the directory
14:07.36pobegavaldyn: Thanks so much. Do you think it's overkill to use Exim4 on a single user machine? I really have never bothered with MTAs before.
14:07.58valdynpobega: i think its very inconvient
14:08.17kinja-sheepDo I want a network mirror?
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14:08.23pobegavaldyn: For a single user system, you mean?
14:08.26valdynpobega: yes
14:08.36pobegavaldyn: Do I even need an MTA on it then?
14:08.42kinja-sheepavu: Do I wantto intall a network mirror?  If I don't.... No GUI? <_<
14:08.45valdynpobega: you do
14:09.18valdynpobega: just for local mail
14:09.18pobegavaldyn: Should I use a more lightweight one then? What do you suggest?
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14:09.27valdynpobega: exim4 is fine for local delivery, but theres functionally different alternatives like
14:09.50valdynpobega: esmtp - User configurable relay-only MTA
14:10.11valdynpobega: i like the idea of esmtp, but i havent used it
14:10.36pobegavaldyn: Hm. Perhaps I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the suggestion.
14:10.51valdynpobega: or exim4 local only and your mail user agent for remote delivery
14:11.47valdynpobega: that last suggestion is the easiest i guess
14:12.32pobegavaldyn: Thanks, I think I'll do that -- configure exim4 only for local delivery.
14:12.45pobegaand I'll continue using Mutt for my outgoing (Gmail) SMTP
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14:13.00valdynpobega: mutt can deliver mail?
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14:13.14valdynpobega: it used to need the sendmail command i think
14:13.22valdynpobega: which implies that you needed an mta
14:13.22pobegavaldyn: set smtp_url="smtps://pobega@smtp.gmail.com"
14:13.30valdynpobega: alright then
14:13.35pobegaIt's all done within Mutt now
14:13.40gewtyay exim4
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14:13.47JohnFluxHi all
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14:14.03JohnFluxI'm the maintainer of ksysguard and have just noticed that there are bugs reported for ksysguard for debian
14:14.17JohnFluxit's kinda pointless for people to report bugs that I never see :-D
14:14.21valdynJohnFlux: maintainer where?
14:14.38valdynJohnFlux: its the debian maintainers job to forward bugs that you should see upstream
14:14.43themillJohnFlux: err.. yes. Normally, if they're related to upstream, they get forwarded to you.
14:15.11pobegavaldyn: Thanks for the help though, I appreciate it.
14:15.21JohnFluxah okay.  there seem to be a few that aren't though.  Can I set myself to recieve all ksysguard bugs?
14:15.40JohnFluxI don't mind receiving bug reports that are 'just' packaging or debian specific
14:15.48themillJohnFlux: I can only find one bug in debian on the ksysguard package that's not forwarded to you.
14:16.03themill!dbugs 473159
14:16.07dpkg#473159:N[ksysguard] ksysguard loses high CPU process (); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:09:03 UTC []
14:16.10valdynJohnFlux: read: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard
14:16.44JohnFluxthemill: yeah I found that bug via google.  I've just realised that it's the only one not forwarded
14:16.52JohnFluxthe other one that was forwarded I fixed a while ago
14:17.15themillyeah, it's marked as  being fixed upstream
14:17.47JohnFluxso, shouldn't it be auomatically closed in the debian bug system?
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14:18.00JohnFluxIt appears to still be open, debian wise
14:18.05spx2there was an online service providing VNC over WEB , what was it called?
14:18.06valdynthemill: fixed upstream does not mean its fixed in debian
14:18.09themillJohnFlux: not until an upload is made to debian that does close the bug in debian.
14:18.13valdynops
14:18.33valdynJohnFlux: debian stable does not do bugfixes usually
14:18.39JohnFluxthemill: does that mean it's a manual process?
14:18.40spx2mypc something !?
14:18.59JohnFluxis it a manual process to close bugs that have been closed upstream?
14:19.02valdynJohnFlux: it means that it wont be fixed in debian/stable
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14:19.07JohnFluxvaldyn: ah
14:19.24valdynJohnFlux: stable gets only certain classes of bugs fixed, thats policy
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14:19.47themillJohnFlux: did you fix that in a kde4 trunk and not in the kde3.5 branch?
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14:20.27themillJohnFlux: (I'm trying to make sense of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370475#14 )
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14:20.35mrehello all
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14:20.49JohnFluxthemill: hmm yes I think so
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14:20.56JohnFluxthemill: fixed only in kde4 trunk
14:21.04JohnFluxthemill: looking at the code
14:21.07valdynJohnFlux: severity normal cannot just be fixed in debian/stable anyway
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14:21.39themillJohnFlux: yeah, so it's not fixed in kde 3.5.9 which is what's in debian lenny (and still in unstable too). When kde4 is brought in to unstable, then that bug will probably be automagically closed.
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14:22.08themillJohnFlux: at present, no package in debian has the bug fixed, so it's marked as being open in debian still (but fixed upstream)
14:22.12JohnFluxvaldyn: I looked at that ref card url, but I don't see how to do this?
14:22.24mreis anyone here familiar with  vncserver? I cant get it to run a desktop when invoked by a regular user!
14:22.25themillJohnFlux: in amongst the kde3->kde4 rearragement, it seems that ksysguard is now part of the kdebase-workspace package. You can subscribe to aspects of that package at http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase-workspace.html
14:22.28JohnFluxvaldyn: to have all ksysguard bugs reports sent to me as well
14:22.35JohnFluxah thanks
14:22.44stonedgood morning
14:22.55themillJohnFlux: that might not be the info you actually want, however
14:22.56valdynJohnFlux: you send commands to the server, that is to an email address "request@bugs.debian.org
14:23.29JohnFluxvaldyn: i understood that part
14:23.36JohnFluxvaldyn: just not which command to send
14:23.39JohnFluxto subscribe to ksysguard bugs
14:23.55valdynJohnFlux: now i didnt actually read the commands, so maybe you cant get the mail automagically, but you can set a cronjob to fetch new bugs
14:23.58mrecould anyone suggest why my vncserver still wont display my gnome desktop?
14:24.10mreeven with a xstartup script in .vnc?
14:24.18JohnFluxvaldyn: ah, there's no way to subscribe to a set of bugs?
14:24.55valdynJohnFlux: i dont know
14:25.18enoufapt-listbugs? heh
14:25.25valdynJohnFlux: hmm,you can do it it seems
14:25.47valdynJohnFlux: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe
14:26.23valdynJohnFlux: err, nm, thats for subscribing to specific bugs
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14:27.31bwlangI just used display to take a quick peek at an image file... and realized that it sucks because 1 - it's slow, 2- it doesn't zoom the image to fit the screen. Is there a better alternative for a quick look?
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14:27.54themilldondelelcaro: ^^ is it possible to "subscribe" to a (binary) package in debbugs i.e. receive all notifications on all bugs without having to subscribe to each one individually and without having to subscribe to the entire source package?
14:28.34pobegaIs there any way to tell Exim4 that I have a maildir in /var/mail/$user/system ?
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14:29.00nkuttlerpobega: i'd rather use procmail for such a thing
14:29.03JohnFluxbwlang: i've taken to use gwenview :-0
14:29.56valdynpobega: didnt i just tell you that?
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14:30.10pobegavaldyn: no, you told me how to change the dir relative to my home directory
14:30.24pobegaI'm wondering if Exim is smart enough to understand a complete directory structure rearrangement
14:30.44nkuttlerpobega: exim should not care about your home directory structure..
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14:32.56akinaHi! Is there a webcam recorder in linux which can remotely record captured images from different machine?
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14:34.16cepal_herehello all, I got a little question: did any of you face the problem of SQUID cutting (SSH) connections after exactl 15 MINUTES?
14:35.28bwlangjohnflux: thanks, i'll try it
14:35.51abrotmancepal_here: router most likely
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14:36.09cepal_hereabrotman: ???
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14:36.33abrotmancepal_here: is there a router in between?
14:36.44cepal_hereI have an Etch'n'half with squid3, this squid is cutting the connection, as if i SSH directly to the parent proxy, I have the SSH session opened for 3 days at the moment...
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14:37.02cepal_hereI have debian desktop, at office
14:37.14rvsjoen_ok clearly automount has serious issues with ntfs-3g, mounting manually works fine, and fstype=auto selects 'ntfs' and the drive is only mounted read-only, is there any way to make automount use ntfs-3g ?
14:37.40valdynrvsjoen_: what about manually mounting with ntfs-3g?
14:37.50rvsjoen_it works
14:38.11rvsjoen_but I really would like to automount the drivers based on disk-label from /dev/disk
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14:38.18rvsjoen_s/drivers/drives
14:38.28valdynrvsjoen_: which automounter are you using?
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14:38.42enoufthat doesn't contain FStype sepcific info
14:38.48enoufspecific*
14:38.51rvsjoen_5.0.3
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14:39.01valdynrvsjoen_: 5.0.3?
14:39.15stonedlinux based rar password brute forcing anyone?
14:39.17valdynrvsjoen_: that looks like a version number, but i did not ask for that
14:39.19enoufblinks
14:39.24cepal_hereabrotman: then there is a partent proxy as no direct route... the parent proxy uses authentication, and that's why I have squid - so that only the squid has the auth. stored and not every application has to authenticate against the proxy, while some apps even don't have the option of proxy or proxy auth...
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14:39.42stonedenouf, 'ey blinkin'
14:40.01rvsjoen_autofs5 from lenny ?
14:40.03stoned"did you say 'ey blinkin' or did you say abe lincoln?
14:40.04enoufstoned: erm, ophcrack?
14:40.04abrotmancepal_here: there is a squid channel on freenode i believe, they may know more
14:40.12stonedno one knows... enouf oh ok I'll check it out
14:40.19cepal_hereabrotman: I have been using the same solution on my laptop, formerly with Fedora6-9 (and shortly 10), then switched to Ubuntu, also without problems... but on the desktop with debian, the local squid3 cuts the connections
14:40.40valdynrvsjoen_: i dont know that program
14:40.41cepal_hereabrotman: this looks like a debian-specific, that's why I am asking here
14:40.53valdynrvsjoen_: its probably trying to use mount -t ntfs-3g
14:41.12rvsjoen_well that should work, because it does if I do it..
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14:41.40cepal_hereBRB
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14:42.34valdynrvsjoen_: really, im mixing up something
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14:43.52rvsjoen_my automount map entry looks like this "passport -fstype=auto,rw  :/dev/disk/by-label/Passport", now it mounts the drive read-only using the 'normal' ntfs module, if I change it to fstype=ntfs-3g it does nothing
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14:43.59enoufcepal_here: i can only guess, there's some gdmsetup value, for time= (timed session), see /usr/share/gdm/default.conf (?) (i don't use gdm, and perhaps it's not even related to your issue)
14:44.41abrotmangdm? squid? ssh?
14:44.51rvsjoen_I suspect I somehow have to tell automount to use the ntfs-3g module but I have noe clue as to where
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14:45.06sepultrvsjoen_: in fstab
14:45.08rvsjoen_tried adding it in /etc/filesystems with no luck
14:45.43sepultrvsjoen_: in fstab with type ntfs-3g and mount option auto
14:45.45rvsjoen_does automount care about the contents of fstab ?
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14:45.54sepultyes it does
14:46.00rvsjoen_interesting
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14:46.35rvsjoen_my other drives (some pendrives) that has vfat on them dont need anything in fstab
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14:46.51Dakylla1hi
14:46.54enoufcepal_here: .. or i guess it could be some sort of passwd/sudo (even user nobody?) timeout? I've never used squid, so don't know which user:group it belongs to, nor how it auth's itself, logs in, etc (it's the exactly 15 minutes thing that irks me)
14:47.08Dakylla1where are iscsi target binaries ?
14:47.19Dakylla1do i have to compile them myself ?
14:47.33Dakylla1im working on etch
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14:49.16valdynrvsjoen_: http://www.mail-archive.com/autofs@linux.kernel.org/msg07445.html
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14:51.39rvsjoen_thanks, but I already read it
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14:51.47valdynrvsjoen_: i see
14:51.52enoufrvsjoen_: isn't the fuse module needed as well? or fstype fuse?
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14:52.40BliceHi all; I just set up pure-ftpd and a user and other things; It listens on 21 fine, and when I connect it says Logging in as blice... good etc., requires password, and then... Receive-Error: Connection broke down. And all ftp clients disconnect right then. I don't know why.
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14:53.18ewethello, i'm trying to install debian as a server with static ip on virtualbox. host networking should work automagically according to sun. it aint. am i too stupid for networks? :/
14:53.21ewethttp://pastebin.com/m19520706
14:53.44alcoholok
14:53.45enoufi know i am :-p
14:53.55alcoholubuntu is hating on my samba shares (which are on a debian system)
14:53.56alcohol):
14:53.59rvsjoen_enouf : yeah tried that too, both fuse and fuseblk as fstype
14:54.05alcoholI keep getting permission errors when trying to save files
14:54.15alcoholeven though everything is set to 777
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14:54.23alcoholand user:group is set to rob:users
14:54.31mattinatoralcohol, Who owns the directory?
14:54.39alcoholsame
14:54.41alcoholas above
14:54.44cepal_hereenouf: how does gdm relate to squid3? :-D
14:54.50enoufrvsjoen_: IINM, fuse is it's own user:group as well, perhaps <someone,something> needs to be added to fuse group?
14:54.55valdynalcohol: samba.conf has a flags that override write permission
14:54.56[twisti]when i do something like "xset dpms 10 0 0", is that just for the current session ? i want that setting to go for the entire pc and always be set like that, is there like a main config file i could put it in ?
14:55.07enoufcepal_here: you said Desktop 2 separate times
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14:55.08rvsjoen_hm
14:55.30rvsjoen_good point
14:55.42alcoholvaldyn: is ubuntu perhaps trying to use my local users/groups or something on this share?
14:55.49ewetoh - the installer won't find the mirror. that's the error right now. however i remember an error on on of the first etch net-installs leading it to not find the network
14:55.54alcoholvaldyn: how can I check if the share is mounted properly?
14:55.56ewetbut that one is history right?
14:55.59valdynalcohol: or no authentication at all
14:56.03cepal_hereenouf: I said ssh session is killed after 15 minutes if I use local squid3 on the debian desktop, it is not killed if it skips that squid over
14:56.11alcoholvaldyn: how can I check it?
14:56.26valdynalcohol: you would know if you authenticate
14:56.35alcoholI just specified it in the options
14:56.40alcohol-o user=,password=
14:56.54alcohols/user/username/
14:56.56enouf[twisti]: not sure, but perhaps put that into either ~/.Xdefaults, or /msg dpkg xinitrc
14:57.16enouf[twisti]: oh crap - erm, xorg.conf?
14:57.43enouf(not sure if it takes more than what i have On/Off)
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14:58.06ewetoh and i can ping 192.168.1.25 (the guest) from my host ...
14:58.11stonedAverage speed (passwords per second): 20
14:58.14stonedPassword for this file: update
14:58.20enoufcepal_here: using ssh-agent?
14:58.24stonedenouf, thanks man
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14:58.27stonedenouf, I'm good now!
14:58.34enoufstoned: :-)
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14:58.45stonedyeh forgot wtf I set the password ot ;)
14:58.47valdynalcohol: /var/log/auth.log
14:58.48ewetthat looks badly - pretty much like this stupid net-inst prob i had moths before :( - i thought that was solved!
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14:59.20cepal_hereenouf: no, not using ssh-agent
14:59.29alcoholvaldyn: on debian or ubuntu?
14:59.36valdynalcohol: on the server
14:59.44SURFkeesIf something is started via inittab on a tty, is there a way when I login via SSH to get the console output to me? To take control of that tty?
15:00.06cepal_hereI am only using ssh_config (~/.ssh/config) where I store that ssh connection details, like "ProxyCommand", forwarded ports etc.... that profile on the same box worked well for Fedora...
15:00.19enoufcepal_here: can you strace, or verbose teh squid connection, and compare?
15:00.25valdynalcohol: like that: smbd[17752]: pam_unix(samba:session): session opened for user valdyn by (uid=0)
15:00.35alcoholweird
15:00.38alcoholI only see root there
15:00.40alcoholnot rob
15:00.41alcohol):
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15:00.51cepal_herestracing squid... wow, that would be loooots of shit :-D (it's used for all my internet connectinos
15:01.05alcoholbut those are from cron
15:01.07valdynalcohol: by smbd?
15:01.11alcoholno
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15:01.22alcoholnothing in there from smbd
15:01.28valdynalcohol: you do not get any output there if the login was not successful
15:01.33cepal_hereenouf: what I said: stracing squid... wow, that would be loooots of shit :-D (it's used for all my internet connectinos
15:01.57abrotmancepal_here: trace the ssh PID  ?
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15:02.14valdynalcohol: this is a 2 layered system: first you log into samba, then if that worked then samba logs you into the server
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15:02.25alcoholok
15:02.26valdynalcohol: so on a failure you get nothing in auth.log
15:02.27cepal_hereabrotman: I was thinking of it, but why would I? I pretty surely know it's squid killing it...
15:02.39abrotmancepal_here: it might get a signal from the proxy?
15:02.55enoufcepal_here: look at ps aux, ensure ssh-agent isn't (or is) automagically grabbing your connection - if so, /etc/pam.d/* might be involved - look there anyways - also look at /etc/default/*
15:03.13alaqsoryasalamu alikum (peace be for all of you):)
15:03.17cepal_hereabrotman: hmm... ok will give it a try (previously I tried to have DEBUG3 in ssh profile turned on)
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15:03.30alcoholvaldyn: what about this?
15:03.30alcohol[2009/01/27 15:58:02, 1] smbd/service.c:make_connection_snum(950)
15:03.30alcohol<PROTECTED>
15:03.37alcoholvaldyn: was in samba.IP.log
15:04.56cepal_hereabrotman: any useful attributes for stracing the ssh? :-)
15:05.19akinahi! what could be the problem when I use ./configure and have this error: failed program confdefs.h. I'm installing zoneminder
15:05.24abrotmancepal_here: an output file :)
15:05.36cepal_hereaah good :-D
15:05.58valdynalcohol: no idea, i dont even have that file
15:06.01ewetplease some take a look on the config files. just to see if i haven't made a stupid typo - http://pastebin.com/m19520706
15:06.35alcoholvaldyn: if I open the map in nautilus through smb://ip/www
15:06.41alcoholI get full access
15:06.42alcohol):
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15:06.44alcoholI don't get it
15:06.52alaqsoryI have installed debian yesterday and a message appear (you are not privileged to mount this volume)
15:07.29cepal_hereabrotman:  ok now I have to wait 15 minutes for the output :-D
15:07.32enoufakina: ./configure --help, and README, INSTALL files are no help?
15:07.44abrotmancepal_here: okay, just don't touch it!
15:07.51alaqsoryi edited /etc/fstab
15:08.00enoufakina: does that file exist in your src/ dir? where you ran configure
15:08.02Dakylla1where are the headers for kernel 2.6.18-6 please ?
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15:08.10alaqsoryand add this line
15:08.22Dakylla1i can only find headers for kernel up to 2.6.18-5
15:08.27Dakylla1on, etch
15:08.28abrotmanDakylla1: apt-cache search linux-headers
15:08.34enoufDakylla1: add a security line
15:08.36abrotmanDakylla1: make sure you avhe a security.debian.org apt source
15:08.38Dakylla1abrotman: yes i know :)
15:08.50Dakylla1abrotman: ok, gonna add it thx
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15:09.07enoufDakylla1: then update (naturally)
15:09.23SkaagHi guys. I made a special custom .deb file, and I have a local mirror I made with apt-mirror, how complex would it be to stick my deb in there, along with the rest?
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15:09.50cepal_hereabrotman: I just started my usual while loop echoing "." so that the session doesn't time out earlier :_D
15:09.51cepal_here:-D
15:10.02abrotmandon't you want it to time out earlier?
15:11.06alaqsoryand added the last line http://paste.ubuntu.com/110324/
15:11.45Dakylla1thx
15:11.53alaqsoryany one haelp me
15:11.59alaqsoryhelp*
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15:13.38amitzSkaag: can't you setup another repository of different address for you deb so no change needed in apt mirror??
15:13.41Uranellushello, I'm running debian on a usb stick .. a running system sent these messages to a syslog server .. looks like the usb stick has gone down, correct? http://pastebin.ca/1319493
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15:14.02abrotmanUranellus: if that's the only usb device, it' snot good
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15:15.14Uranellusabrotman: yes, there's only one usb device attached .. well after that there weren't any more messages and since then the vpn connection hasn't been alive .. so I assume the system is in a bad state, right?
15:15.41Skaagamitz: Yah, that's probably the best way to do this but I have client debian machines where I only want to put one source line
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15:16.01[twisti]how do i tell my debian to turn off the hdd after 10 minutes of idle ? and how can i check if the hdd is sleeping or not ? (its too quiet to hear)
15:16.12amitzSkaag: ic ic
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15:16.41Skaagamitz: but yah, bugrit, I will just make another separate repository
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15:18.55ktwilight[twisti], noflushd
15:19.53[twisti]thanks
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15:23.03BliceHi all; I just set up pure-ftpd and a user and other things; It listens on 21 fine, and when I connect it says Logging in as blice... good etc., requires password, and then... Receive-Error: Connection broke down. And all ftp clients disconnect right then. I don't know why. How should I go about debugging this?
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15:23.19SQlvpapirI am trying to kill a connection on my gateway doing tcpkill -i eth3 port 6114 with no success. the connection keeps reappearing in etherape. I also tried cutter.. any hints?
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15:26.14valdynSQlvpapir: find the parent of that process
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15:27.03enoufBlice: try vsftpd instead? How long between time of entering passwd, do you then get the errors?
15:27.10SQlvpapirvaldyn: its a connection through my gateway (some p2p crap) so that is not really a solution
15:27.44valdynSQlvpapir: its warcraft
15:28.00valdynSQlvpapir: probably
15:28.21SQlvpapirvaldyn: its done +2gb today
15:28.29valdynSQlvpapir: thats alot, alright
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15:28.41cuscohi
15:28.42valdynSQlvpapir: p2p uses any port, what would be the point of killing one?
15:28.45cuscoIm a bit lost
15:28.50cuscoIhave a 2gb sd card
15:28.58cuscobut it only shows as 700Megs
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15:29.34cuscodmesg is showing constantly stuff like
15:29.35cepal_hereabrotman: damn it, I used strace -c to ALSO see time summaries, but it does ONLY time summary :-((((
15:29.40cepal_hereso strace again
15:29.52cuscohttp://rafb.net/p/U8uXAX50.html
15:30.08cuscowhat should I do?
15:30.22valdynSQlvpapir: unreal tournament also seems to use it
15:30.36stonedForcibly Merged 197196 473396 511924. Request was from Raphael Geissert <atomo64@gmail.com> to control@bugs.debian.org. (Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:33:17 GMT) -- There was a wnpp in #473396 filed in summer of 08, however there has been nothing since the last update
15:31.09[twisti]how can i run xset stuff for x BEFORE anyone logs in ?
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15:31.10valdynSQlvpapir: now i have no idea what you are trying to do, but trying to block p2p by blocking specific ports you might aswell block all ports
15:31.39SQlvpapirvaldyn: whatever it is it uses too much as its often +50 ips at once..
15:31.41abrotman[twisti]: how are you starting X ?
15:31.49abrotmanUranellus: seems that way to me
15:31.51abrotmancepal_here:  whoops!
15:31.51[twisti]i tried /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, but it doesnt run
15:31.59valdynSQlvpapir: so probably a game server
15:32.05[twisti]abrotman: good question. i just installed debian and it starts X during the boot process
15:32.16abrotmangah horrible nick
15:32.25SQlvpapirvaldyn: no open ports?!
15:32.30abrotman[twisti]: so it starts via gdm or something similar .. maybe try there
15:32.34SQlvpapirwell if he shifts port (ie. doesent get the hint) he will be contacted but I cant be arsed to fill a form atm
15:32.38stonedwell... so far the package works here
15:32.40[twisti]i dont know what that means
15:32.42stoned:D
15:32.43rvsjoen_got the automount working, needed to be a member of disk,fuse and plugdev group (I think)
15:32.47stonedyay \o/
15:33.09rvsjoen_thanks for the help ppl
15:33.12stonedgimme... maye two more weeks
15:33.21valdynSQlvpapir: do it via iptables, i dont know the syntax without looking it up
15:33.26[twisti]i cant believe ive had to work two full days and install an entire xwindow system just to turn off my bloody display, this is getting ridiculous
15:33.48stonedwhat? why would you do that?
15:33.59stonedyou can change the timer the cli mode monitor goes blank
15:34.04stonedif thts what you're after
15:34.17stonedI think it defaults to 10 min or soemthing I' not sure
15:34.18[twisti]where can i change that ?
15:34.23valdyn!dpms
15:34.24dpkgfrom memory, dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section).
15:34.33[twisti]yes, in X
15:34.47[twisti]but xset obviously doesnt quite work without X
15:34.57SQlvpapirvaldyn: thats my last option as it only applies to new connections and there is a lot of flow atm.. was kinda looking for something that could be used in the future too
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15:35.13valdyn[twisti]: i wonder how you could have worked on this for 2 days
15:35.29valdyn[twisti]: the first google hit told me to "man setterm"
15:35.36[twisti]yes, that doesnt work
15:35.40Lagbolt[twisti], doesnt work without X? isnt the point to turn off display in X? lol
15:35.48[twisti]that was the first google hit i found too
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15:35.52enoufrvsjoen_: you sure about the disk group? fuse and plugdev should be enough
15:35.56valdynSQlvpapir: uh? iptables works fine in the future
15:36.11valdynSQlvpapir: you want to do what a firewall does, and linux firewalling is iptables
15:36.12[twisti]Lagbolt: no, the point is to JUST turn off the display
15:36.12[twisti]i dont even want X
15:36.12[twisti]i installed it purely to turn off my display
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15:36.24SQlvpapirvaldyn: not as an instant fix
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15:36.45enoufrvsjoen_: see file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html for some info - but allowing users to read/write to raw disk is not a good thing ;-) (though i've done it myself at times)
15:36.47Lagbolt[twisti], ah, i see.
15:36.51valdynSQlvpapir: iptables is the _only_ proper way
15:37.02valdynSQlvpapir:  you can use frontends, sure
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15:37.12stoned[twisti], man setterm
15:37.23[twisti]stoned: again, the setterm settings dont work
15:37.28[twisti]they just make the screen blank
15:37.31[twisti]but it doesnt turn off
15:37.33Lagbolthave you setterm?
15:37.37stonedthey don't have a job?
15:37.37Lagboltstoned, you beat me! grr
15:37.47SQlvpapirheh not looking for a proper way, but a way that provides a quick fix without pruning all connections
15:37.53Lagbolt[twisti], what options did you use with setterm
15:38.04valdynSQlvpapir: iptables prunes all connections since when?
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15:38.26enoufcusco: what is that SD card plugged into, some sort of adapter? has it got any u3 crap on it?
15:38.32[twisti]setterm powersave on, powersave powerdown, powerdown on, powerdown 1
15:38.39stonedno
15:38.40stonedman
15:38.43stoneduse the fucking -blank option
15:38.49stonedread the fucking manpage seriously getting me irritated
15:38.54stoned*afk*
15:38.55cuscoenouf: it is plugged on a phone... I don't know about u3
15:38.58SQlvpapirvaldyn: I need to restart it in order to have the new rules apply to all (ie. existing) connections
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15:39.13enouf!tell cusco -about u3
15:39.17rvsjoen_enouf : you are probably right, seems like the disk group was unnecessary
15:39.20enouf!tell cusco -about uninstall u3
15:39.21valdynSQlvpapir: why the hell would you need to do that?
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15:39.28cuscoenouf: I tried to run dd to write a debian live image with 760Megs on it, and now it only has 760M
15:39.34enoufrvsjoen_: worthwhile to check ;-)
15:39.37valdynSQlvpapir: and restart what?
15:39.39SQlvpapirvaldyn: new rules only apply to new connections
15:39.43cuscoI guess geometry got screwed upo
15:39.48[twisti]stoned: if you are talking to me, you might actually read everything i write, not every second line. i dont want the screen blank. i want it OFF.
15:39.54rvsjoen_I was getting a permission denied on sdb1 at some point, but that was when I used fstype=fuse, now fstype=ntfs-3g works
15:40.10enoufcusco: you could wipe it via /dev/zero
15:40.29stoned[twisti], sorry man, I am not feeling well today woke up with a heart burn
15:40.45rvsjoen_very nice
15:40.46stoned[twisti], you want the monitor OFF, like not blanked but Off?
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15:40.51valdynSQlvpapir: tcpkill does that?
15:40.53[twisti]yes
15:41.01[twisti]like what dpms off does
15:41.07Heavy-DHey guys, any idea where the openntpd logs are located when you install it on Etch?
15:41.19SQlvpapirvaldyn: well thats my initial problem.. it wont kill most connections
15:41.20enoufyou need acpi bro
15:41.33enoufor laptop-mode or someshit
15:41.36SQlvpapirif tcpkill worked I would never have to make rules like that
15:41.42cuscoenouf: how so?
15:41.47[twisti]i tried acpi too
15:41.49cuscocan I reset the partition geometry?
15:41.51enoufcusco: not you - my bad
15:41.52[twisti]and the laptop stuff
15:42.00cuscoah ok
15:42.09cuscoit doens't have any u3 stuff
15:42.19enoufcusco: wipe it how i said, then create partitions again
15:42.38cuscoif I do it will only still read 760M
15:42.42stoned[twisti], how do you know its not working?
15:42.43cuscoand dmesg is showing some errors
15:42.45jellycusco: you can repartition it easily with cfdisk, fdisk or similar.
15:43.03[twisti]stoned: because im looking at the screen, and its not off
15:43.14stoned[twisti], and you have a finger?
15:43.19cuscojelly: they only see 760M where it should have 2G - I guess geometry is wrong
15:43.27[twisti]stoned: i do
15:43.30jellycusco: what does blockdev --getsize64 /dev/mmcblk0 (or whatever your device) say?
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15:43.45stoned[twisti], are you able to successfully push the power button on the monitor when you get up and leave?
15:43.55[twisti]no
15:43.55abrotmanstoned: stop, go be a pain somewhere else
15:44.00[twisti]its a laptop
15:44.00kinja-sheepAny bot command for link on upgrading to Gnome 2.24?
15:44.02cuscojelly: 797819904
15:44.05cuscothat is wrong!
15:44.12[twisti]im not opening it up and fiddling with it every time i reboot
15:44.15abrotmankinja-sheep: not in debian fully yet i don't believe
15:44.16stonedI see
15:44.18jellycusco: which device did you use?
15:44.32stonedabrotman, take some pain killer
15:44.38cuscojelly: /dev/sdc
15:44.39abrotmanis that an offer ?
15:44.48jellycusco: hm. :-)
15:44.54kinja-sheepEverybody here uses Gnome 2.14?  Roll call on your Gnome version.  Please. :)
15:44.55cusco:-(
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15:44.57stoned[twisti], how much time did you give the pwoerdown command?
15:44.58enoufdpkg: mbr is also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr
15:44.58dpkgokay, enouf
15:45.08[twisti]stoned: between 1 second and 10 minutes
15:45.31stoned[twisti], well looks like X it is for now until you figure out why its not doing it in setterm
15:45.43cwilluis there any ids package that can integrate nicely with apt/dpkg?  (specifically, not complaining about apt changes / using the signed packages to determine signatures?)
15:45.46[twisti]thats why i installed X :)
15:45.47jellykinja-sheep: popcon.debian.org
15:46.01stonedit says it puts it into vesa power saving mode, not sure what this vesa specificity has to do with it or not
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15:47.06stoned[twisti], you're logged in locally or over the network like ssh?
15:47.13[twisti]i tried both
15:47.52stonedI just did it, and it did it!
15:48.03stonedisn't that something
15:48.19[twisti]do you have a laptop ?
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15:48.28stonedohhh
15:48.34stonednot currently with debian no
15:48.43stonedwell yes, but the laptop doesn't have a screen
15:48.53[twisti]i wish mine didnt either ;)
15:48.56stonedits a screenless laptop I used in the coner of my closet
15:49.02stoned[twisti], take it off
15:49.09enouf!srtrip
15:49.12[twisti]no thanks
15:49.14enoufgah
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15:49.26stoned[twisti], I just login to my machine remotely and its been running as a personal webserver for over 6 years
15:49.37[twisti]thats what im planning to do
15:49.38stonedI have no screen on it
15:49.44stonedI unscrewed it
15:49.47[twisti]but i suck with hardware so im not opening it up
15:49.55abrotmankeep the lid closed?
15:50.01[twisti]then it melts
15:50.04jellycusco: care to pastebin your /var/log/kern.log or dmesg?
15:50.07enouf!fry
15:50.20cuscojelly: I did before but hold
15:50.42enoufcusco: that wasn't an entire anything
15:50.43jelly<cusco> http://rafb.net/p/U8uXAX50.html
15:50.53abrotmancepal_here: ask in here ,.. i'm also busy with other stuff
15:51.05alaqsoryhi guys
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15:51.11cuscook hold
15:51.31alaqsoryi can not mount the partitions on my hard desk
15:52.18stonedalaqsory, c'mon man give us more info
15:52.21Bliceenouf: Well, I don't want to switch to a different FTPd just because of an issue that could be solvable.. I'd rather try to debug it first. It's pretty mcuh as soon as it gets to the password part the connection breaks. Nothing about it in auth.log, syslog, and pro-ftpd only logs transfers, and of course there's no transfers yet..
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15:52.37stonedalaqsory, partition fs type? how you're trying to mount it? what the errors are?
15:53.01stonedBlice, if you don't use vsftpd you really should consider switching
15:53.10BliceSigh
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15:53.16stoneddon't sigh
15:53.19Blice:/
15:53.23stonedits good advise.
15:53.25enoufBlice: sounds like an authentication issue then
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15:53.36alaqsorywhen i click on the partition a message appear (Unable to mount the volume 'MAIN-DISK'.)
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15:53.44jaimesilvacan someone please explain me how to use ia32-apt-get to install a library?
15:53.46stonedalaqsory, which ubuntu version are you using?
15:53.51stoned;)
15:54.03alaqsoryi am usingdebian lenny
15:54.08BliceWell, whenever I have a distro specific problem, people tell me it isn't their distro and I should switch. Whenever I have an FTP problem, they say it isn't their FTPd and I should switch. Whenever I have any sort of problem people just say they use something else and I don't get any help.
15:54.08jaimesilvaI have tried by prepending ia32- to the library but it says it can't be found
15:54.09alaqsorydebian lenny
15:54.10enouflike, accepting (or processing) your passwd triggers the conn to drop / become broken
15:54.32enouflike .. it's blacklisted :-P
15:54.42stonedalaqsory, answer my questions thenyeah
15:55.01alaqsoryok  stoned:
15:55.03stonedalaqsory, do you know how to get the info?
15:55.19stonedalaqsory, I don't know about clicky stuff but I can help you mount stuff in console
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15:55.31alaqsoryok
15:55.33stonedthen if you use kde I can help you get that in kde but not gnome i don't use gnome
15:55.49alaqsorybut i edited /etc/fstab
15:55.52stonedfor that yo'ud have to wait for a gnome user guy
15:56.03stonedalaqsory, pastebin it maybe you enter wrong info in there
15:56.07cuscohey jelly, enouf: http://rafb.net/p/p6WTDV85.html - note that it is connected trough a phone and the sdcard is now /dev/sdd (there is sdb also wich is phone memory)
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15:56.34alaqsoryhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/110324/
15:56.47Bliceenouf: If it was an auth issue it should be in the authlog though.. meh. I wonder if pureftpd has a channel here
15:56.47alaqsorystoned: http://paste.ubuntu.com/110324/
15:56.53abrotmancepal67: please use a pastebin so that everyone here can see
15:57.10enoufBlice: he just echoed what i had mentioned a while back, he didn't see my comment though way back then - let the recommendations go, for now  anyway - i personally can't help much more without more info, since all i can tell is the connection is dropping - can you grab a tcpdump perhaps?
15:57.15alaqsoryi added the last line
15:57.32stonedalaqsory, change fat32 to vfat
15:57.35stonedalaqsory, try again
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15:58.07enoufBlice: perhaps, like ssh, there's an option to Disable passworded logins
15:58.10stonedalaqsory, also, don't use ubuntu pastebin in here man c'mon
15:58.11stoned;)
15:58.38enoufBlice: and/or only PermitRootLogin: or not, etc
15:58.43jaimesilvano one has a clue on how to use ia32-apt-get?
15:58.44stonedalaqsory, /dev/hdb8       /media/MAIN-DESK fat32  user,auto        0       1
15:58.49alaqsorywhat sit i can use here?
15:58.54enoufjaimesilva: what is it?
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15:59.01stonedalaqsory, /dev/hdb8       /media/MAIN-DESK vfat user,auto        0       1
15:59.06stonedmake it look like this
15:59.07alaqsoryok
15:59.13alaqsoryi chang it
15:59.27stonednow sudo mount -a
15:59.30jaimesilvaenouf: it is a tool to install ia32 libraries in amd64 systems
15:59.36enoufjaimesilva: the -ia32 pkgs are usually meant for an amd64 install and use in a 32bit chroot, iinm
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16:00.04enoufjaimesilva: but is ia32-apt-get and actual pkg name?
16:00.09alaqsorystoned: mount: mount point /media/MAIN-DESK does not exist
16:00.15enoufs/and/an
16:00.32enoufjaimesilva: find it at packages.debian.org
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16:01.00stonedalaqsory, c'mon thats not self explanatory then I dunno what is
16:01.32stonedalaqsory, mount it under your ~ if its just for you
16:01.59stonedalaqsory, mkdir /media/MAIN-DESK with root perm
16:02.03alaqsoryi am not the adminstrator and i am the only user
16:02.19jaimesilvaenouf: yes it is a package in the repository
16:02.20stonedalaqsory, you have to mkdir the mount point
16:02.27enoufyou mean you don't have root/sudo perms when needed?
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16:02.46alaqsorystoned: when i installed debian i am not the adminstrator
16:02.47enoufjaimesilva: ok, so .. what's the issue then? it's not showing up in your cache?
16:02.48stonedif he has perm to issue mount he has it
16:03.01enoufstoned: see pmount
16:03.03enouf:-P
16:03.05stonedhe isn't using pmount
16:03.10enoufoh
16:03.25enoufis mount set to 4755?
16:03.31jellycusco: uh, the device didn't provide its real size or the driver wasn't unable to figure it out
16:03.38jaimesilvaenouf: the issue is that I can't figure out how to use it to automagically convert and install ia32 packages
16:03.39stonedenouf, do you know what the problem is?
16:03.51stonedenouf, take care of jaimesilva
16:04.02alaqsoryi willsay to you the problem
16:04.03jellycusco: sd 8:0:0:0: [sdd] 4294967296 512-byte hardware sectors (2199023 MB) 2TB? :-)
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16:04.17cusco:/
16:04.25jaimesilvaenouf: as I understand from the README.Debian all you have to do is prepend the package with the ia32- prefix
16:04.25stonedalaqsory, mkdir ~/MAIN-DESK;
16:04.27enoufoh dearr
16:04.33jaimesilvabut it doesn't work
16:04.35enoufTWO TERA!
16:04.36jellycusco: uname -r?
16:04.46stonedalaqsory, if you can edit fstab you have the administrator!!
16:04.54stonedalaqsory, its not hard to understand man
16:04.57alaqsoryyou are not privileged to mount tis volume
16:05.11cuscotesting
16:05.13stonedalright then go talk to the administrator
16:05.17enoufjaimesilva: are you asking me how to set up a 32bit chroot environ for you on an amd64 install?
16:05.18cusco2.6.26-1-686
16:05.25stonedand youb etter not be running ubuntu!
16:05.26jaimesilvaenouf: nop
16:05.51enoufjaimesilva: well, are you attempting to run it inside the chroot env?
16:05.55jellycusco: no ideas except for trying a different kernel
16:06.15cuscoarrr
16:06.22jaimesilvaenouf: there is a new tool for debian amd64 and ia64 users that automatically converts i386 packages and install them in the system, it is intended mostly to install libraries
16:06.27alaqsorystoned: i am too installed ubuntu on my pc
16:06.37stonedalaqsory, go to #ubuntu
16:06.56jaimesilvaenouf: just co the ia32-apt-get and ia32-libs-tools packages
16:06.59alaqsorywhy ? i am using now debian not ubuntu
16:07.16enoufcusco: you might want to mv /etc/blkid.tab somewhere - check your ls -l /dev/disk/* isn't populated with old broken symlinks
16:07.21linomixalaqsory: you might be a sudoer. try 'sudo mount' instead of 'mount' only
16:07.25alaqsoryand in ubuntu i acn mount all volumes
16:07.25stonedalright, I have no idea what you're on
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16:07.58alaqsoryi am using root terminal
16:08.14jaimesilva/msg dpkg ia32-apt-get
16:08.16enoufjaimesilva: IINM, the ia64 stuff needs some pretty magical emulation to run i386 stuffs
16:08.29Bliceenouf: I sniffed the packets and right after I send the PASS command, the FTP server sends a FIN, ACK, handshake, and end. Doesn't give me any error or anything... Maybe there's a way to make pure-ftpd log more stuff besides transfers?
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16:08.39stonedalaqsory, in root terminal type  mkdir /media/MAIN-DESK; mount -a
16:08.48stonedalaqsory, what does it say?
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16:08.51linomixalaqsory: if you're using a root terminal, then you're an admin
16:08.58enoufBlice: perhaps - could also ask in ##linux, ##networking, etc
16:09.06Bliceenouf: Ah, good idea :]
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16:09.57alaqsoryok linomix:
16:10.09jellyBlice: have you tried stracing the forked daemon to see what happens at the server side?
16:10.20cuscoenouf: I don't have a /etc/blkid.tab
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16:10.32alaqsorynd thank you
16:10.33enoufyou should, afaik
16:10.54Blicejelly: I've never straced anything before.
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16:11.28alaqsorystoned: thank you very much :-D  and i mounted the MAIN-DESK
16:11.49Blicejelly: Installing strace now. I'll read the man pages and get back to you
16:11.54enoufBlice: just to clarify, one time you said pro-ftpd, the others you said pure-ftpd - same thing?
16:12.06Bliceenouf: Oh, no, not the same thing. Pure-FTPD. Typo :]
16:12.12enoufok ok ;-)
16:12.42stonedwelcome
16:12.42stonedalaqsory, today is not my day I may have been short
16:12.43enoufgezundheit
16:12.43stonedI apologize
16:12.55jellyBlice: oh.  connect to your ftpd (do not log in yet), find the child process id for that connection, run strace -ff -o /tmp/pureftpd.log -p whateverpid, then continue logging in
16:13.00stonedfucking at a hefty meal hot indian food last night and then in the morning I got heartburn!
16:13.03stonedahhhh boy
16:13.24alaqsorystoned: you have not been short
16:13.25enoufhates that
16:13.41alaqsoryand try to eat an Egyptian meal
16:13.42stonedheh, maybe that was with someone else
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16:13.47jellyBlice: sounds like ftpd dies unexpectedly after PASS, but who knows what the reason might be
16:13.48stonedI do remember losting y patience
16:13.53stonedwhatever
16:13.55stonedhave fun man
16:14.03amitzjust want to confirm, gnash from lenny currently doesn't work for youtube right?
16:14.33Blicejelly: If I just do strace -f -o /tmp/pureftpd.log -p mainftpid, it should follow any childs of the main FTP right?
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16:15.31alaqsorystoned: wht will be when i restart my pc, will i rewrite all i have done now
16:15.32jellyBlice: yes. but we're not really interested in all of it for now
16:15.46stonedalaqsory, no
16:16.00alaqsoryok
16:16.01stonedalaqsory, auto takes care of it as long as its in fstab
16:16.17stonedonly noauto disabled it, but auto is fine
16:16.20enoufalaqsory: unless your DE does some nasty automounting rules
16:16.41jellyBlice: if your ftpd isn't busy at the moment, you could do that; if that's production, you might have some auth info in the strace log.
16:16.47alaqsoryok and thank you all
16:17.05amitzflash 10 crash my iceweasel in lenny. if i install flash 9 from adobe directly, will there be any standard problem aware of?
16:17.15alaqsoryi will enjoy debian now
16:17.23alaqsorygood bye
16:17.38stonedalaqsory, hang out here
16:17.48stonedalaqsory, watch the people getting support and learn
16:17.52stonedits the best way
16:18.19alaqsoryok
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16:18.48[twisti]whats the proper way to install this ? http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads.php
16:18.59[twisti]its not in the aptitude list
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16:19.08stonedjudd versiona deluge-torrent
16:19.08juddstoned: Error: "versiona" is not a valid command.
16:19.13stonedjudd versions deluge-torrent
16:19.13juddstoned: deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1 lenny: 0.5.9.3-1 sid: 0.5.9.3-1 experimental: 1.0.7.dfsg-3
16:19.31stoned[twisti], etch packbort
16:19.34stonedackport
16:19.36stonedfuck it.
16:19.38[twisti]what does that mean ?
16:19.40enoufhaha
16:19.44stoned[twisti], /msg dpkg bpo
16:19.54[twisti]thanks
16:20.00enoufstoned: no porbs!
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16:20.45[twisti]huh. what dpkg told me is confusing. im supposed to install keyrings ?
16:20.58valdyn!bpo
16:20.59dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>.  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free.  Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
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16:21.02stonedgo to the website, read the instructions carefully
16:21.18amitzhm only flash 9 linux "debugger and standalone players" is available. Is it ok to download and install it?
16:21.31stonedamitz, try dmm
16:21.34[twisti]im confused about what that has to do with the program i want to install, considering it comes as a debian package
16:21.47stonedamitz, /msg dpkg dmm; do stuff; aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
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16:22.17linomix[twisti]: [root]# dpkg -i file.deb
16:22.18stoned[twisti], are you serious?
16:22.28stonedlinomix, wrong advice
16:22.29[twisti]stoned: i am
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16:22.42[twisti]im new to all this stuff
16:22.42stoned[twisti], etch doesn't contain deluge-torrent
16:22.49[twisti]i dont know what etch is
16:22.55enouf!tell [twisti] -about releases
16:22.59stonedjeez
16:23.08stoned*sigh* alright here we go
16:23.13enouf!tell [twisti] -about grounding
16:23.23linomixstoned: why? if he has all dependencies installed
16:23.26amitzstoned: RTFM, am already know how to install flash 10, but don't know how to install flash 9 using "debian way".
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16:24.01stonedetch is debian stable, it is older, and doesn't contain deluge-torrent. If you want it, you have to add the debian packports repository to /etc/apt/sources.list, and then install it
16:24.15stoned[twisti], you have to add the mirror where this package is located before you can get it
16:24.19[twisti]i see, thank you
16:24.23stonedamitz, have a good day.
16:24.24amitzstoned: aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla will install flash 10 instead of 9.
16:24.31lexOh Masterfull Debian Gawds, I compell you to show me some really über net development master. Im building a network driver that, when speaking from linux, works aw so well. When passing through any kind of windows box (or running on windows, cause it works in both lin and win), the size o packets gets dumbed down to 8 friskin bytes. I am sort of a netdev newbie, but even then i consider myself decent. Anyone want to have a crack at this?
16:25.10abrotmanlex: you probably want ##kernel or ##linux
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16:27.07drdoHello
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16:27.31stonedhi
16:27.31[twisti]im really grateful for all the help you guys have given me today btw, sorry if i come over a bit testy, its just frustrating not knowing whats going on
16:27.36stonedhi
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16:28.25drdonvidia-kernel-2.6.26-1-amd64: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20051028+1-0.1) but it is not installable
16:28.30drdoon Lenny
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16:28.52dutchfishhi, i have done losetup /dev/loop0 /sandbox/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso and SZ=`blockdev --getsize /dev/loop0. Wuth i want to create a COW with dm-setup, how to do that? any hints?
16:29.29dutchfishi need this to make speciallized net-installs for special hardware scriptomatically
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16:32.17enoufdutchfish: http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html
16:32.33Blicejelly: I get why you said just the child process is fine for now, strace logs a lot of stuff. I found the issue, the directory for the database was wrong, so it couldn't find the password database and just dropped it and didn't give any errors etc.. I have it at the right path now, alls well. Thanks a bunch for introducing me to a new tool, I love it :]]]
16:32.49Bliceenouf: Thanks for your help too. Appreciate it.
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16:32.55dutchfishenouf, following that exactly ;) but i am stuck at the COW part, i dont grasp it
16:33.39dutchfishenouf, is there any "global" overview info on COW in general?
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16:33.48dutchfishenouf, not user-mode
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16:34.24dutchfishenouf, i could do it in lvm but this time, thats not what i want/can use
16:34.40dutchfishenouf, so i need to stick at -o loop
16:35.13dutchfishenouf, if i want to create dm-setup its states: device (ioctl) is busy, prolly because of the loop mount
16:35.17drdoHow can i remove packages that have been installed as dependencies and are no longer needed?
16:35.44dutchfishenouf, so i need to go by losetup, thta part works
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16:36.21enoufdutchfish: sorry bud, no idea offhand really .. keep at it though ;-)
16:36.45enoufdrdo: depends, deborphan/debfoster is one way
16:37.10amitzcan someone share me a link to linux flash player 9? It's no longer available in adobe website. Thx in advance.
16:37.15dutchfishenouf, if i get it (in the end) i will post my iso-edit.sh file, i dont want to get to copy all out in a flat file, instead i want a COW in ram
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16:38.09drdoDoes anyone use nvidia drivers on Lenny amd64 ?
16:38.58dutchfishenouf, with that i want to make a script to inject new drivers (as modules) compiled in my pbuilder sndbox
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16:40.47dutchfishenouf, so anyone can use that ...
16:41.17enoufdutchfish: sounds all very .. complicated :-P .. but interesting ;-)
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16:41.42dutchfishenouf, well, this is needed often when a newer driver  arrives and the installer cant coop with it
16:41.58valdynamitz: sdn surely has it
16:42.04valdyn!tell amitz -about sdn
16:42.13enoufdutchfish: you mean the installer's kernel version and such, i guess
16:42.27dutchfishenouf, kernel, modules and the like yup
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16:43.09dutchfishenouf, so far are succeded manually for a kernel and a few drivers, but i want to automate it, so users can just 'run' a script to pull it off
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16:43.48dutchfishenouf, because i could not find anything related
16:44.15enoufdutchfish: i gotcha - very nice indeed ;-) .. i just hope it doesn't turn into one of those ubuntu-auto-install-proprietary-crap-here scripts
16:44.43dutchfishenouf, no no, all open source, of course, and i will clearly explain inline what it does
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16:45.14enoufdutchfish: \o/
16:45.57jellyjudd: version incron
16:45.57juddjelly: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
16:46.00jellyjudd: versions incron
16:46.01juddjelly: incron -- etch-backports: 0.5.7-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 0.5.7-1 sid: 0.5.7-1
16:46.05dutchfishenouf, i am to sick of do all manually for every new piece of hardware routinally by hand each time, it take so much time of those stupid issues
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16:46.26dutchfishenouf, just for the sake of getting debian installed
16:47.32dutchfishenouf, ok, thanks for the hints, back to the drawing board, ill keep you informed
16:48.15enoufcool
16:49.08dutchfishenouf, maybe (its a small project yet) i will call it like install-builder
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16:50.56FireSlash`WorkI've read some docs on this, but they don't seem to apply to etch, so: How would I go about installing a single package from the 'testing' tree on etch?
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16:51.25dutchfishFireSlash`Work, you delved into bpo yet?
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16:51.49FireSlash`Workdutchfish, Not sure what bpo is, so I'm going to say no :)
16:51.53dutchfish!bpo
16:51.53dpkgbackports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers.  Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>.  A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free.  Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update
16:51.56dutchfish!backport
16:51.57dpkgrumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org>
16:52.29FireSlash`Workdutchfish, Thanks! :)
16:52.37dutchfishFireSlash`Work, yw
16:54.23drdoHow can i get nvidia's non-free drivers to work on Lenny amd64 ?
16:54.53BitUniqueis there a newer/better version of wine for lenny than the one in the repository?
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16:55.12dutchfishBitUnique, win under kvm?
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16:55.33BitUniquedutchfish: whats that?
16:55.37dutchfish!kvm
16:55.38dpkg[kvm] kernel virtual memory kernel address space, or keyboard/video/mouse  Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo and check whether disabled in the bios.
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16:56.28dutchfishBitUnique, so basically a virtual machine, others are qemu/kvm/xen
16:56.33BitUniquehmm. is this like a better alternative to wine?
16:56.41dutchfishBitUnique, i think so
16:56.59BitUniquemight look in to it. thanks
16:57.05valdynBitUnique: for applications that dont need directx
16:57.08dutchfishBitUnique, that depends naturally what you want to run in it
16:57.30BitUniquevaldyn: aah. thanks for that
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16:57.59BitUniquewell, im trying to get my eve-online client running under wine. but there are some minor issues i'd like to iron out.
16:58.34dutchfishBitUnique, well, for that i would try kvm in lenny, or stick to wine
16:58.38FireSlash`WorkI thought eve was written in python?
16:58.45BitUniquei've tried the official wine client 1.13 but the virtual desktop make my cpu usage incerase to 100% when i alt tab out of it
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16:59.35dutchfishBitUnique, i got th ebest results (at my friends place) under a gnome free desktop (kvm)
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17:00.16BitUniquehmm, but i thought valdyn said kvm is for apps that do no requier directx
17:00.48BitUniquewell, anyways. i just installed the wine from the lenny repository. gonna give that a quick try first
17:01.21dutchfishBitUnique, if your cpu supports VT (egrep 'vmx|svm' /proc/cpuinfo) then you can do just like that, otherwise go wine
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17:02.24dutchfishBitUnique, wine might be easier to setup so
17:02.24enoufdutchfish: checkout perhaps http://danix.org/about/danix-modules/danix-modules for some possible ideas
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17:02.39[twisti]my hard drive light keeps blinking about onve every 2 seconds, very regular, is there a way to find out whats doing that ?
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17:03.57dutchfishenouf, thanks, i am more thinking about altering to install image and boot from usb-stick, that way i have total freedom on scisser-taling for special machines
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17:05.12euzaohello!
17:05.20dutchfishenouf, good find, so, thanks
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17:06.29enouf[twisti]: ps aux | grep hal ?
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17:07.16dutchfishenouf, to make it more clear -> debian-installer-netinstall.iso -> script -> build-envirenemnt -> iso creation -> baking usb bootable stick
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17:07.43enoufdutchfish: sure ...
17:07.49[twisti]enouf: theres a lot of hald stuff
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17:08.00[twisti]hald, hald-runner, hald-addon..
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17:08.57rwaiteanyone here work with openvpn?
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17:10.09ctremblayHi! How can I downgrade cvs to 1.11.2X using apt-get? the lates is 1.12.xx and I seem to be having problems
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17:10.23euzaodamnit
17:10.38euzaoI have the sensation that all distros are getting heavier, but Debian...
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17:10.56euzaoI used to run Enemy Territory in Debian very fast, just like on Ubuntu, old Fedora
17:11.03euzaonow only Debian still that fast...
17:11.04enouf[twisti]: do any show your /dev/HDD, or only cd/dvd ones?
17:11.33dutchfisheuzao, true .. ehe bloated, debunk it ;)
17:11.36[twisti]just cd
17:11.39enouf[twisti]: oh a laptop?
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17:12.10[twisti]yes
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17:14.09enouf[twisti]: did it occur prior to you installing all sorts of things (including Xorg) that you did when trying to get DPMS working?
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17:14.28dutchfisheuzao, not to brag but lenny turned out to be pretty fast .... hands down on many so far
17:14.49[twisti]i dont really remember, i only noticed it just now
17:15.44enoufwelp, look into laptop-mode things - using lenny? try iotop, also could use vmstat, ps, top/htop
17:16.10[twisti]etch
17:16.21tzikuhello, i have a problem. I have "server" homw from where i have internet to anothers computer home. From this server i have ping ping reply from "scanalert.com" "webmin.com" and more, but from my PC and other home computer i have no ping reply.
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17:17.17KarlHunguswhat kernel ships with stable?
17:17.24dutchfishtziku, is this 'server' a natted box?
17:17.38avuKarlHungus, packages.debian.org can tell you
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17:17.52[twisti]KarlHungus: too old for iotop
17:17.52KarlHungusavu: blah. throw a dog a bone
17:17.57[twisti]as i was told in #linux
17:18.00KarlHungusahh, hey [twisti]
17:18.01tzikuyes dutchfish
17:18.01KarlHungus<PROTECTED>
17:18.23avuKarlHungus, I'm trying to teach you to fish instead.
17:18.26dutchfishtziku, then inspect your iptables, route and how you setup nat
17:18.28tzikuyou ask about "/sbin/modprobe ip_nat_ftp" "/sbin/modprobe ip_nat_irc" ?
17:18.47KarlHungussomeone needs to write a kmod to implement io accounting in 2.6.18
17:18.53KarlHungus(and dont look at me)
17:19.18KarlHungusavu: great. i dont give two shits about debian or ubuntu... was just trying to see if [twisti] could us iocounters
17:19.23enoufoh, as root, netstat -tunap ; lsof -i and kill off any unwanted running services
17:19.39stewKarlHungus: stable ships with 2.6.18 and 2.6.24
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17:20.10KarlHungusstew: ahh. awesome =) [twisti]: try 2.6.24, you should be able to see whats causing the disk activity then
17:20.35tzikudutchfish i inspect and reinspect but i don't find anything. Look at my configuration please. Maybe you will find something. http://pastebin.com/d318dc043
17:21.01[twisti]im not sure i have the balls to install a new kernel this early into my linux experience
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17:21.51dutchfishtziku, how are you iiptables being setup or do you use masquarade?
17:21.53[twisti]hm, i tried to shut down the laptop stuff, but i get a weird behavior
17:21.57KarlHungus[twisti]: you should be able to apt-get install it, the base config is obviously working with .18, so it should work with .24. ask one of these nice debian users to show you the 'debian way' of kernel management ;)
17:22.00dutchfishs/iiptables/iptables
17:22.08[twisti]anchorage:~/flexget# laptop_mode stop force
17:22.08[twisti]Laptop mode enabled, active.
17:22.17KarlHungusi'm goin to /part and learn to fish elsewhere =)
17:22.20KarlHungusgood luck
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17:22.24[twisti]am i doing it wrong ? i thought that was the way to stop it
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17:22.39dutchfish!tell tziku about nat
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17:22.42tzikudutchfish no "iptables" settings. I don't use masquarade. That's all settings.
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17:23.21tzikui have an entire class routed. And put manualy any ip from my rooted class.
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17:23.52dutchfishtziku, still you need nat, ... ehe ... think about respons traffic
17:24.08dutchfishtziku, follow what dpkg told you
17:24.37tzikuok thanks, i will try to understand what is there. I'm a novice.
17:24.59dutchfishtziku, no problem, read those manuals, still issues, then come back, your welcome
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17:25.07valdyn[twisti]: shutdown  shuts the computer down
17:25.32[twisti]valdyn: that was an oddly random piece of information
17:25.38[twisti]oh
17:25.44[twisti]i wasnt trying to shutdown the laptop
17:25.50[twisti]just to stop the laptop_mode
17:26.32valdyn[twisti]: /etc/init.d/laptop-mod* stop i guess
17:27.02[twisti]oh, thank you
17:27.15[twisti]still blinking
17:28.02valdyn[twisti]: what is blinking?
17:28.09[twisti]the hard drive led thingy
17:28.18[twisti]about once a second/every two seconds
17:28.21[twisti]very regular
17:28.30valdyn[twisti]: sure it does that
17:28.36valdyn[twisti]: why is that a problem?
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17:28.53[twisti]because i have nothing running that i would expect to be writing to the hdd
17:28.55[twisti]or read from it
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17:29.11[twisti]and i figure its not exactly healthy for it either
17:29.15valdyn[twisti]: linux always writes to disk, not much, but enough for the led to blink
17:29.22valdyn[twisti]: its perfectly fine
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17:29.24[twisti]once a second ?
17:29.40SQlvpapir[twisti]: tried iotop?
17:29.44valdyn[twisti]: depends
17:29.52[twisti]i run etch so iotop wont work for me
17:30.17valdyn[twisti]: the commit interval default is 5 sec so at least once per 5 sec
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17:30.28SQlvpapirits prolly modifying last acces time on files and stuff like that
17:30.42stewdo we have a block_dump factoid?
17:30.56pm2Is this an appropraite place to ask about installing debian on sparc machines?
17:31.00stewlooks like no
17:31.00[twisti]its odd that the laptop stuff didnt disable that, then
17:31.12ctremblayHi! How can I downgrade cvs to 1.11.2X using apt-get? the latest is 1.12.xx and I seem to be having problems
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17:31.31SQlvpapir[twisti]: did you check out powetop?
17:31.33[twisti]because i wanted the hdd to shut down
17:31.44[twisti]powetop ?
17:31.45valdyn[twisti]: thats silly
17:31.46stewctremblay: /msg dpkg sdn
17:31.52[twisti]valdyn: how so ?
17:31.55SQlvpapir[twisti]: its in the repos
17:31.58stewctremblay: have you checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts)
17:32.07valdyn[twisti]: spinning disk takes like .1 watt
17:32.21valdyn[twisti]: spinning up probably 10
17:32.53[twisti]well, itll be idle 99% of the day
17:33.01pm2Is anyone familiar with installing debian stable on a SunBlade 150 (ultrasparc arch)?  I'm trying to boot with the netboot image, and as soon as it loads, the text on the screen becomes distorted and the installation hangs.  Any ideas?
17:33.23cahootless than a year ago excessive disk parking was considered a major hasard
17:33.39valdyn[twisti]: then its not on battery and theres no point in saving those .1 watt in exchange for less lifetime of the harddisk
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17:34.12gogazbonsoir
17:34.16gogazho
17:34.24gogazgood evening*
17:34.33Giganticcould somebody please share with me the Vrizon dns?
17:34.48Giganticcan't remember the last octet
17:34.56ctremblaystew : thanks!
17:35.08[twisti]well, i want to save them, and ive never seen a pc, linux or not, write to the disk every second in idle mode, so id still like to find out whats causing this
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17:36.35cahoottwisti what does  smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Load_Cycle_Count return?
17:36.36GiganticBecause openDNS sucks... I make a simple Google search that send me to the opendns search, then I click a link in there and takes me to yahoo >.>
17:37.17newsenseGigantic, I USE OPENDNS WITH NO PROBLEM
17:37.21newsensesorry
17:37.31[twisti]i dont appear to have anything called smartctl installed
17:37.39Giganticnewsense:  >.>
17:37.41[twisti]what is it part of ?
17:37.47newsense[twisti], smartmon-tools package
17:37.48cahootsmartmontools
17:38.13[twisti]give me a minute to install
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17:38.26[twisti]and i take it i replace /dev/sda with /dev/hda right ?
17:38.38cahootright
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17:39.11[twisti]193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   087   087   000    Old_age   Always       -       137372
17:39.19charzeroIf my window manager hung (the process is still running, but the WM isn't working) is there a way I can kill it and run another WM without ending my xsession? (My wm is the last line in my .xinitrc)
17:39.27[twisti]does that make any sense to you ?
17:39.48cahoottwisti check again in a few mins
17:39.55cahootand compare
17:40.04[twisti]what am i looking for ?
17:40.16cahootexcessive increase of the number
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17:40.25[twisti]the last one ?
17:40.29cahootright
17:40.29[twisti]what would be "excessive" ?
17:40.56cahoot<PROTECTED>
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17:41.59Giganticnewsense: yeah try this http://www2.echo.lu/bonn/confere nce.html
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17:43.01Giganticand why in the hell edgesuite.net takes me to the FBI ste
17:43.02themill[twisti]: that's not really the number to be worrying about anyway, it's Start_Stop_Count. See the thread starting at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2009/01/msg00045.html and bug 448673.
17:43.07Giganticunknown >.>
17:43.26SlayerXPunusually from me, a question:   how can I turn a simply tree of files into a debian package?
17:43.40GiganticMaybe the FBI trying to hax me? o.O
17:43.44[twisti]it went up 5 points
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17:43.55[twisti]so what does this mean ?
17:44.10SlayerXPi have one perl script to go in the /usr/sbin, a couple of directories to create, and a config file to drop into /etc/foo
17:44.18cahoottwisti check the url themill pasted aboive
17:44.22jellyGigantic: "edgesuite.net" doesn't have an A record at all for me.
17:44.28newsenseGigantic, i see your point, never had a problem with any sites i visit personally, but i see your problem now
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17:44.46Giganticanyways it is not hard just anyone drop me the  dns numbers pls... any isp dns pls
17:45.06Giganticjelly: is a games site...
17:45.13GiganticI've been there b4 >.<
17:45.14valdynGigantic: for what purpose?
17:45.32newsense151.197.0.38
17:45.40jellyGigantic: it doesn't exist any more! :-)
17:45.48jester45if you need a dns server use one from opendns
17:46.00[twisti]well, i dont HAVE excessive load cycles (right ?), so that thread isnt related to my problem. or am i reading it wrong ?
17:46.04newsenseGigantic, i use opendns personally because the verizon dns numbers i pull from verizon dont work
17:46.08themillSlayerXP: you can look at dpkg-deb or make your own using a combination of tar/gzip and ar.
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17:46.18Giganticwhy it takes me to the fbiu? ... well anyways you might be right about that one... but in general I hate when opendns redirect me to other stuff >.>
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17:46.51Gigantic<PROTECTED>
17:46.58GiganticI think that's wrong
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17:47.21Giganticnameserver 192.76.85.133 198.23.5.148
17:47.24valdynGigantic: it works fine, that ns
17:47.24[twisti]cahoot ?
17:47.30Giganticused to be
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17:47.55jellyGigantic: um, ask your ISP for the correct dns recursor to be used?
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17:48.16cahoottwisti I'd say 5 load cycles in a few mins is much
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17:48.43kinja-sheepI'm curious -- If I find a .deb for Ubuntu -- That'll work just same as for Debian -- because Ubuntu is a fork from Debian -- Is that right?
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17:49.03themillkinja-sheep: no. that way is the path to a badly messed up machine
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17:49.12Giganticjelly: oh those are terrible... for real, always down
17:49.29Giganticty niways :)
17:49.35kinja-sheepthemill: How would I be able to install packages?  Alternative -- Open the file manually and copy them -- to their directory?  Etc?
17:49.36pobegathemill: Since when do Ubuntu debs mess up machines? Ubuntu is technically based off of Debian. The only time that will happen is if the Deb was made with checkinstall
17:49.40stewkinja-sheep: maybe.  we'd not recommend it.  if it is something where .debs for debian really aren't available, we'd recommend recompiling the .deb from source for your machine instead
17:49.54pobegakinja-sheep: I'd say try it, but if it doesn't work don't ask us for support.
17:49.54cahoottwisti  though - if that's what causes your original issue I don't know
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17:50.04jellypobega: always, really. Mixing distros isn't supported by either side.
17:50.08[twisti]what exactly is a load cycle ?
17:50.09stewkinja-sheep: don't try it
17:50.14newsensekinja-sheep "frankenbuntu"
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17:50.31kinja-sheepstew: Recompiling the deb?  Care to explain more?  Is there a bot factorid for recompiling a deb?
17:50.38alex^hello, im wondering if anyone could shed any light on my iowait 100% issue - http://pastebin.com/m1e75b255 --- while running SQL and doing inserts into a table, often, (once every 10k inserts) i notice the system spike in iowait to 100% for a 5-6 seconds, WITHOUT any bi or bo being used .... im running 2.6.27-7 .... anyone have any suggestions on what could be causing this?
17:50.48stewkinja-sheep: /msg dpkg ssb ; /msg dpkg source
17:50.48neggeI need some help troubleshooting what 'caused my server to just freeze up so bad it required a reboot. The only odd thing I could see from syslog was a with something about "dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21"
17:50.53neggeany other places I should look at?
17:50.57kinja-sheepI like Debian -- It's really no different than Ubuntu -- Just that it's not... updated as I'd like it to be. :)
17:51.07Giganticnewsense: oh, ty, 151.197.0.38 worked
17:51.10stewkinja-sheep: (read ssb, but instead of backporting from debin sid, you'd be "back"porting from ubuntu)
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17:51.14valdynalex^: network i/o ?
17:51.15pobegajelly: I've never had a problem -- though the only Ubuntu package I installed was Urban Terror (standalone game) from getdeb.org
17:51.24stewkinja-sheep: what is the .deb you are asking about?
17:51.26themillpobega: deps can be missing, packages will have the files in different places, two packages may even have the same file in them meaning that they don't behave nicely together.
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17:51.40pobegakinja-sheep: Oh, for something like that I'd say apt-pin it from unstable. Usually unstable is pretty up to date.
17:51.41wide_awakehello
17:51.42kinja-sheepstew: Just a question I wanted to know.  Themes, for instance.
17:51.42newsenseGigantic, no problem
17:51.44jellypobega: that's not a sufficient number of samples for a conclusion.
17:51.54wide_awakehow do I add a "search" entry to resolv.conf using the "resolvconf" command?
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17:51.57pobegajelly: I've done it a lot on other machines, I mean currently on this machine.
17:52.18pobegajelly: I think Ubuntu packages on Debian work okay, but I have heard that Debian on Ubuntu breaks things. A lot.
17:52.49jatt<PROTECTED>
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17:52.55dkrwide_awake: why not just edit the file?
17:53.09wide_awakedkr, there's an entry in it saying "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN"
17:53.13valdynalex^: what kind of storage is it that it has 5sec latency? network?
17:53.15wide_awakeseems pretty clear ;)
17:53.31dkrwide_awake: hrm, I wonder why.  oh mayeb you are using dhcp and configured it to do that
17:53.33jellypobega: they can, and do break things, often in subtle ways.  You could be losing a config file two years from now when upgrading a related package.
17:53.44wide_awakedkr: Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
17:53.47themillwide_awake: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf  ; stick that entry in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
17:53.57wide_awakethemill: thanks!
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17:54.11dkroh, resolvconf is a front end for editing it.  i see
17:54.29themilldkr: yep, for vpns, dhcp, roaming etc. /msg dpkg resolvconf
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17:55.54wide_awakethemill: do I just run `resolvconf -u` after?
17:56.36themillwide_awake: umm... I think so. I've never had do worry about it myself though
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17:56.56wide_awakethe man page is not very clear what that does..
17:56.58valdynjatt: try xrandr
17:57.02wide_awake"just run the update scripts"
17:57.13themillwide_awake: tias :) then let me know
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17:58.08wide_awakethemill: seemed to work
17:58.27themill:)
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17:58.56wide_awakethanks
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18:00.30jattdo I need a particular package to use a projector with my ubuntu laptop?
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18:00.40valdynjatt: have you tried xrandr?
18:01.54jattvaldyn: no I haven't. Reading the description of the package it allows to manipulate monitor settings, not sure if this includes something about projector output.
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18:02.21jattI tried yesterday and the projector said "No signal" so I guess I need to change my configuration...
18:02.47valdynjatt: do you think the OS cares if the display device is projector or a monitor?
18:02.49themilljatt: we have no idea what sort of configuration, what packages or even what version of xorg you have installed from ubuntu -- you'll get better advice from #ubuntu about this.
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18:10.19sneezewortCan someone help me configure X on my Dell studio 1537 laptop? The resolution is not right and when I try to change the xorg.conf I get a no screens found error.
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18:13.22sneezewortHere is the working default xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/d2d0ce855
18:13.44sneezewortworking = squished resolution.
18:13.48mwichello everyone i just inherited the adminning of a new Debian box, where do I look for release version info, anything else I need to know..
18:14.01valdynsneezewort: is your resolution listed when running xrandr ?
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18:14.42sneezewortIm not sure let me paste the output to pastebin.
18:15.02RoenieSrvrtry http://paste.lisp.org
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18:15.10valdynsneezewort: and which video driver is listed in "grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
18:15.24pm2Is anyone familiar with installing debian stable on a SunBlade 150 (ultrasparc arch)?  I'm trying to boot with the netboot image, and as soon as it loads, the text on the screen becomes distorted and the installation hangs.  Any ideas?
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18:16.23newsensemwic, /etc/debian_version
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18:16.58newsensemwic, id make sure you have the security updates repo in your sources.list also
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18:17.26newsensemwic, /msg dpkg security
18:17.51mwicseems to be there
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18:18.07sneezewortvaldyn: http://pastebin.com/m53ec8a16
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18:18.41valdynsneezewort: which debian version is this? lenny?
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18:19.01valdynsneezewort: which brand is the video chipset?
18:19.03newsensemwic, might want to run an update and upgrade to make sure you are up to date as well, besides that nothing else i can specifically think of
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18:19.22sneezewortvaldyn: yes lenny, the video is the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
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18:19.40valdynsneezewort: obviously not supported by lenny, hold on
18:20.17mwicthanks newsense
18:20.29newsensemwic, no problem
18:20.32valdynsneezewort: you can backport then experimental driver release
18:20.43sneezewortHow do I do that?
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18:20.58valdynsneezewort: is the driver installed at all? dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel
18:21.54sneezewortvaldyn: yes it is installed.
18:22.02valdynsneezewort: ok, now to the backport
18:22.04valdyn!ssd
18:22.04dpkgrumour has it, ssd is (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems.
18:22.08valdynops
18:22.13valdyn!simple sid backport
18:22.13dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
18:22.17newsensemwic, http://www.debian-administration.org/ < some nice information here as well
18:22.39valdynsneezewort: follow what dpkg said, insert experimental where dpkg mentions sid
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18:23.08sneezewortOK  Ill try and let you know, thanks.
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18:23.43valdynaww
18:23.46valdyndont work
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18:24.21sphenxesi have installed squid3 proxy. i get this error: Notice: Short Strings is 40 bytes instead of requested 36 bytes. what should i correct?
18:24.46valdynsneezewort: nevermind, its not going to work like this
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18:26.01maurizioI can read and write fine on a cifs share. I can associate a loop device to a file on it and create a filesystem in the device. However, when I detach the loop device I get pages and pages of "CIFS VFS: No writable handles for inode" in syslog. It also corrupts the filesystem on the loop device. The client is lenny with 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem. Can anyone help?
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18:26.25sneezewortvaldyn: OK but there was an upgrade to the driver.
18:27.14sneezewortvaldyn: nope, same resolution after restarting gdm.
18:27.37valdynsneezewort: an upgrade in lenny?
18:27.49sneezewortvaldyn: yes
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18:29.29sneezewortvaldyn: It must have been added recently because I installed this system 2 days ago.
18:29.40valdynsneezewort: so maybe you are not on lenny even?
18:29.57valdynsneezewort: uname -r
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18:30.10valdynsneezewort: ooops. i misread
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18:31.15sneezewortvaldyn: 2.6.26-1-686 and my sources.list is all Lenny.
18:32.20sneezewortvaldyn: should I try the backport solution anyway?
18:32.37valdynsneezewort: no
18:33.14valdynsneezewort: can you give me the pci id of that video card?
18:35.08sneezewortvaldyn: when I run lspci it looks like its listed twice. once as vga compatible controller and once as Display controller.
18:35.20valdynsneezewort: thats 2 devices
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18:35.38valdynsneezewort: maybe give me both ids
18:35.41valdynsneezewort: lspci -n
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18:37.24sneezewortvaldyn: http://pastebin.com/d566db333
18:37.51valdyn!which driver
18:37.52dpkg[driver locator] To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
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18:40.31valdynsneezewort: nothing supported, almost
18:41.06sneezewortvaldyn: Is that what the - means?
18:41.07vimpulsehi all.  Is there an easy way to make dpkg-reconfigure always add Option "DRI" to my xorg.conf each time it gets run?  Or is there a way to make it never overwrite my xorg.conf again?
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18:41.58simonrvnhmmm, how would i convert an ip address from www.xxx.yyy.zzz to www.xxx.yyy.zzz/32, in a file, using sed? the ip addr is in the middle of the line, like: "ip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz Null0"
18:42.02valdynsneezewort: no, not exactly, most of those devices do not need a special driver
18:42.07RoenieSrvrwhat in your opinion are the best ways of creating and restoring partition images of linux based systems? for windows systems i would use ghost, but storing a partition image locally isn't going to happen on a linux based system with ext3/reiser/xfs filesystems
18:42.12RoenieSrvr<PROTECTED>
18:42.22RoenieSrvr<PROTECTED>
18:42.27valdynsneezewort: i would try the alpha version of ubuntu, to be honest
18:42.35RoenieSrvr<PROTECTED>
18:42.45valdynsneezewort: no, actually, i would install a whole bunch of experimental debian stuf
18:42.46vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  I am a home user, not a sysadmin, but I use dd and gzip.  Then I boot off a livecd
18:42.47RoenieSrvrwithout having to install a base system first
18:42.54vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  to restore
18:43.08simonrvntried something like s,^[\/] Null0,/32 Null0,g but that just replaces anything with a /XX with /32
18:43.37valdynsneezewort: just experimentally you can add a deb line for experimental and try those packages, but that still leaves you without the latest kernel
18:43.52RoenieSrvrnormally i would use norton ghost, but assuming that can't write to linux filesystems, what's the alternative?
18:43.56simonrvner \/32 even
18:44.24RoenieSrvrvimpulse, i see..
18:44.25sneezewortvaldyn: Do I run apt-get dist-upgrade?
18:44.31valdynsneezewort:
18:44.33valdynsneezewort: no
18:44.45simonrvnRoenieSrvr: there is a good reason to do so, backup a disk or partition
18:44.54valdynsneezewort: only install the new intel driver and see what else from experimental that grabs
18:45.05sneezewortOK ill try that.
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18:45.08simonrvni'll go ask in #bash
18:45.18valdynsneezewort: mind, im assuming that this system is for experimenting, experimental is not recommended
18:45.25vimpulsesimonrvn:  just curious -- why do you want to do what you want to do?
18:45.30vimpulsesimonrvn:  also why not use perl?
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18:46.08sneezewortvaldyn: yes there is nothing on this system yet.
18:46.16simonrvnvimpulse: why is none of your business, and my choice of tool is also none of your business, unless you have a good reason to ask me ;)
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18:46.55valdynsneezewort: i assume debian support will be there for your system outside experimental only after lenny released
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18:47.58vimpulsesimonrvn:  i have no good reason but had just been curious.  i often ask why because there is often a better way to solve the problem than programmatically editing the file  :)
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18:48.33simonrvnvimpulse: i'm using sed, and have over 6000 entries, that's why
18:48.38vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  also, i would be very surprised if ghost couldn't back up linux partitions.  How much is your Linux knowledge?
18:48.53vimpulsesimonrvn:  no, but why are you editing the 6000 entries?  if you prefer not to answer, that's fine.
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18:49.10simonrvnbecause i need to
18:49.12vimpulsesimonrvn:  is it some config file?
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18:50.06vimpulsesimonrvn:  if i may ask, which?
18:50.10RoenieSrvrvimpulse, pretty decent, but i think the issue is that ghost will not be able to backup to a linux partition if the system only has linux partitions to backup to.. ;)
18:50.11sneezewortvaldyn: It says "xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version." I guess Ill just have to wait for lenny to catch up. Thanks for your help anyhow!
18:50.21RoenieSrvrit probably wants ntfs to write to
18:50.29RoenieSrvrnot 100% sure
18:50.36vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  why not?  IIRC it just backs up the bytes of the partition.
18:50.55simonrvnvimpulse: do you have something to offer, instead of asking me these things? i asked for help, if you can't/won't, then i'll move on, thanks.
18:51.07valdynsneezewort: apt-get -t experimental install blah
18:51.10vimpulsesimonrvn:  ok, sorry to spend your time.
18:51.16valdynsneezewort: experimental is not used by default
18:51.22vimpulsesimonrvn:  btw what did you mean "RoenieSrvr: there is a good reason to do so, backup a disk or partition"?
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18:51.26RoenieSrvrif you're duplicating the partition, sure.. but not if you wanted to save a partition image on an existing partition as a file
18:51.32vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  true
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18:51.44sneezewortvaldyn: OK let me try again.
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18:52.14simonrvnvimpulse: he was thinking there's no point to do that (backup up disk/partition images) in *nix
18:52.15valdynsneezewort: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel shows all available packages
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18:53.05RoenieSrvri wasn't, really. i was just preventing myself from getting 'attacked' by people saying that it wouldn't be necessary
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18:53.11valdynRoenieSrvr: have you looked at mondo?
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18:53.29RoenieSrvrnever heard of it ;p
18:53.55Giganticomg! I am thrilled by my connection, every like 3 mins I have lag for about 3 secs... but ping is stable
18:54.16valdynRoenieSrvr: hmm, mondo not in testing, only in older releases, sad
18:54.18Gigantico.O wth could it be... tested diff apps in two oses
18:54.45newsensei want to backup to a second hdd myself and have the backup updated once a week, havent actually got around to doing it yet
18:55.12valdynRoenieSrvr: dd and a livecd work too
18:55.28vimpulsevaldyn:  what is mondo?  is it like partimage?
18:55.40vimpulsenewsense:  use rsync for that, it's faster
18:56.01vimpulsenewsense:  just make sure to exclude /proc, it takes up a gigabyte or more if you back it up
18:56.05valdynvimpulse: similar, but it creates installation media
18:56.06newsensevimpulse, ive been hearing a lot about it and think i may go that route
18:56.13vimpulsevaldyn:  cool
18:56.14RoenieSrvrnewsense, you may want to look into using rsync for the job
18:56.15valdynvimpulse: that you can install to any computer..
18:56.27Gigantic!google mondo
18:56.31RoenieSrvrunless you want to use an image
18:56.37sneezewortvaldyn: xserver-xorg-video-intel: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.5.99.901) but it is not going to be installed.
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18:56.54vimpulsenewsense:  it's very easy.  I would do rsync -avzHP sourcedir/ targetdir/ --exclude '/proc*' --exclude '/sys*'
18:56.57vimpulsenewsense:  done.
18:57.08newsenseas i do want initially a full backup excluding /sys /proc /mnt /media /tmp than have it update the backup once a wek
18:57.09valdynsneezewort: are you using aptitude or apt-get ?
18:57.14vimpulsenewsense:  I'm not sure if you should run that as root
18:57.21sneezewortvaldyn: apt-get
18:57.27valdynsneezewort: try aptitude
18:57.29newsensewill it run as a normal user though ?
18:57.41elysium-osI have a small issue with GRUB in Lenny. /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are mirrored ( all 9 partitions ), installing grub with "grub-install hd1" does not end with a working grub on /dev/sdb. but swapping the 2 disks around, booting from /dev/sdb. Then running "grub-install hd0" does work. In the future how can I install GRUB on my second harddrive without physically swapping them?
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18:57.52vimpulsenewsense:  probably, but I think it then can't back up certain files like /etc/shadow
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18:58.04newsenseim guessing theres flags for keeping symlinks and owner/group perms
18:58.12vimpulsenewsense:  yes, -a does that
18:58.52newsensecool thats what ill do than, might as well start the project now, ill have a read through the man first
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18:59.17valdynelysium-os: grub-install --recheck might be needed
18:59.25newsensevimpulse, can the backup be compressed and still added to later, i dont see why that would matter though
18:59.48newsensevimpulse, that is updated with any new files added that arent in the backup
18:59.55vimpulsenewsense:  dunno.  one option is to write the backup to a compressed filesystem
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19:00.03vimpulsenewsense:  another option is to use real backup software like amanda
19:00.12vimpulsenewsense:  but either option is more work
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19:00.42vimpulsenewsense:  or i think you can use tar.  but it's extremely slow to restore one file from a huge tarball.  also I don't know how updating a tarfile works.
19:00.51vimpulseanyone?
19:00.59newsenseill probobly use rsync as ive heard it mentiond a thousand times, if i have a problem i cant figure out im sure ill get help
19:01.07vimpulsenewsense:  yes, here or in #rsync
19:01.20sneezewortvaldyn: lol now x wont start.
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19:01.26newsenseoh cool they have a channel here, thanks
19:01.29RoenieSrvri think rsync can apply compression and still append
19:01.32nsadminvimpulse: man tar, or info tar
19:01.40vimpulsenewsense:  you may want to use --delete but it's dangerous.
19:01.47valdynsneezewort: thats possible, you never know what will happen with experimental
19:01.52vimpulsenewsense:  well, mildly dangerous
19:02.04newsensewhats that do, delete the backup and create a new one ?
19:02.22vimpulsenewsense:  it deletes from target files that exist in source but not in target
19:02.26vimpulseoops no
19:02.34sneezewortvaldyn: it says "No drivers available" and then "Fatal server error: no screens found:
19:02.35vimpulsenewsense:  it deletes from target files that no longer exist in source
19:02.49newsenseoh ok yeah even better :)
19:03.03RoenieSrvryea thats what ive seen used at work
19:03.05sneezewortvaldyn: do you think reconfigureing xorg would help?
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19:03.20newsensethan the backup will be identical to the source with the exclusion of the excluded dirs
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19:03.30valdynsneezewort: nah, reconfiguring xorg does not do much at all
19:03.31vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  what does "apply compression and still append" mean?  newsense: yes
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19:03.46sneezewortvaldyn: Should I just try installing another flavor of linux?
19:03.50valdynsneezewort: installing the vesa driver from experimental might get a display back
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19:03.52newsensesorry missed that somehow
19:03.59valdynsneezewort: a *very* new one probably
19:04.10RoenieSrvrvimpulse, i dont think it has to do a full backup if compression was used, it can add to the previous
19:04.10GiganticDo you know what is the FAT32 max file size?
19:04.16valdynsneezewort: that is why i suggested you try ubuntu 9.04 alpha
19:04.22vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  rsync can compress the files on the target?
19:04.37RoenieSrvrman rsync would help
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19:04.59vimpulsevaldyn:  sneezewort:  what problem are you discussing, if I may ask?
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19:05.11valdynsneezewort: i would probably look up details and fix the remaining stuff, like kernel to old, but for you its probably easier to use some bleeding edge distro
19:05.19newsenseim reading the man myself now, just opened it up actually and so far seems the way to go for what i need
19:05.27vimpulseRoenieSrvr:  do you mean -z?
19:05.29valdynvimpulse: to new hardware syndrome
19:05.33newsensethanks vimpulse, RoenieSrvr
19:05.41vimpulsevaldyn:  ah :)
19:05.42sneezewortvimpulse: getting correct video to run on my Dell studio 1537
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19:06.12vimpulsesneezewort:  why not just add some older hardware and leave it plugged in until linux catches up to your newest hardware?
19:06.21vimpulse:)
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19:06.35vimpulsenewsense:  you're welcome.
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19:07.04RoenieSrvrmondo looks nice..
19:07.06sneezewortvimpulse: add older hardware to my laptop?
19:07.11RoenieSrvrwww.mondorescue.org
19:07.21vimpulsesneezewort:  what kind of hardware are you dealing with?  video card?
19:07.40sneezewortvimpulse: yes
19:07.57vimpulsesneezewort:  do you really need 3d support?  if so, why?  :)
19:08.18valdyni guess their lenny support cam to late ( 2008-10-13 )
19:08.35sneezewortvimpulse: I don't I just need the screen to not look like its squished.
19:08.57vimpulsesneezewort:  go into your BIOS and disable stretching?
19:09.14killerboyhello, i'd like to know hot to communicate with my printer directly to play with it's postscript interpreter. I tried cu and minicom, but none of them worked. Could you help me?
19:09.36sneezewortvaldyn: Ill try the latest ubuntu. Thanks for trying.
19:09.37vimpulsekillerboy:  why use your printer's postscript interpreter?  how about using ghostview instead?
19:10.05killerboyvimpulse, yeah i could, but i would like to discover my printer capabilities
19:10.19vimpulsekillerboy:  i would think ghostview has better diagnostics.  also, why do you want to play with postscript at all?  to discover your printer capabilities?
19:10.34killerboyvimpulse, no, just for fun
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19:12.06vimpulsekillerboy:  i think use ghostview.  I would think talking directly to a printer would be nore trouble than it's worth, and would take up more paper, ink, and environmental resources.  But if you insist on using your printer, either (I suspect) cat postscript files to it, or ask here what the proper way is.  :)
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19:17.43[Jasper]hej guys
19:17.48vimpulsehey
19:17.51newsensebullgard4, ip a, its the same as ip address
19:17.52[Jasper]is there a manual somewhere how to install debian from usb?
19:18.12vimpulse[Jasper]:  what do you mean?  please give us as much background on why you want to do this as possible.
19:18.17newsense[Jasper], yes
19:18.24bullgard4newsense: Thank you.
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19:18.52newsense[Jasper], http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en
19:18.56newsensenp
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19:19.09[Jasper]vimpulse I don't have a cdrom playert?
19:19.19vimpulse[Jasper]:  so plug one in :)
19:19.25vimpulse[Jasper]:  they are very cheap.
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19:19.56vimpulse[Jasper]:  what is your hardware?  also, why do you choose Debian?  did you already use Debian a lot before?
19:20.10maligoryou'd probably have to go vintage to get a actual cdrom unit, heh
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19:21.51Giganticdebhelper sets the channel limit to 569 nicks
19:22.01Giganticwow that's the lowest I'bve sen :p
19:22.16Giganticyah... that
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19:23.23vimpulseon OFTC i got help with my question "Is there an easy way to make dpkg-reconfigure always add Option "DRI" to my xorg.conf each time it gets run? Or is there a way to make it never overwrite my xorg.conf again?". The answer is (sudo chattr +i /etc/X11/xorg.conf). This makes the file immutable: it prevents anyone from writing to the file, even root. It causes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to fail with an "Operation no
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19:28.47newsenseare there any other dirs i might want to skip during a full backup besides /tmp /proc /sys /mnt /media /var/tmp /var/run ?
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19:28.49Giganticyou could cat the RDI to your xorg.cong wiht an script
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19:29.34stewnewsense: /dev maybe /var/cache
19:29.47stew/var/run
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19:30.08newsensestew ahh forgot about /dev and /var/cache great thanks :)
19:30.22newsensei thought i was missing something
19:30.35flowerWhere can I find the trash folder in the filesystem?
19:30.37Giganticuhm, wtf is nogo
19:30.51Gigantichate when I get those misterious files under /
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19:31.37abrotmannewsense: /var/run/
19:31.38Giganticflower: you cna do trash:// in konqueror
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19:32.08flowerGigantic: and how can I go there with mc?
19:32.09Giganticsets a replace from cna to can
19:32.55Haji_2hello, how do i get gsynaptics to work? settings in xorg.conf are ignored (i think)
19:33.06Giganticflower: *shrug* what fs you have? try to see if there is any .Trash in the top folder of your partition
19:33.32Giganticoh it is home?
19:34.10Gigantic~/.local/share/Trash/
19:35.30flowerGigantic: ok thanks
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19:50.52Sebi din't see a way to get splashy to switch to verbose mode
19:50.54Seblike a hotkey
19:50.57Sebam I missing something ?
19:52.11ZambeziIs there a smoother way to set up my second monitor in Lenny with Ratpoison and ATI Radeon 9250 then manually edit xorg.conf? Just a glance and I understood I'm not capable before some serious reading. The howtos I find is for Nvidia or too old.
19:53.14nsadminZambezi: sometimes you have to do the serious reading
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19:54.44abrotmanZambezi: the debian wiki has some stuff about xrandr and dual screens, might apply to you
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19:55.45abrotmanhttp://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 .. migth be of some help
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19:59.17simonrvni have stuff like ip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz Null0 and i want ip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz/32 Null0 # anything without a block should get a /32
19:59.24simonrvnof course anything that *does* have a cidr, shouldn't get it
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19:59.52simonrvnany time
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20:01.10Zambezinsadmin: Of course. I just checked just incase here cause I realized I have absolutely no idea were to start.
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20:01.34Zambeziabrotman: Thanks. Link saved. It's a project for tomorrow.
20:01.38[twisti]im trying to follow this guide: http://www.debianadmin.com/file-server-configuration-in-debian-using-samba.html
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20:01.44[twisti]but i already had samba installed
20:01.49[twisti]so those boxes dont pop up
20:01.55[twisti]is there any way i can make them pop up again ?
20:02.05abrotman[twisti]: dpkg-reconfigure samba
20:02.05[twisti]i tried uninstalling them and reinstalling them, no joy
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20:02.27[twisti]thank you
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20:03.03abrotman!tell [twisti] about refcard
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20:04.27\amethyst[twisti]:  you might also need to reconfigure samba-common (some of the questions are there)
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20:05.25[twisti]awesome, thank all of you very much
20:05.47ZambeziI have a problem with pwsafe. It won't give me the password. And the errormessages say me little: http://www.pastebin.ca/1319846 Lenny, Ratpoison, but it's problem in Gnome too.
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20:08.50tkoskiANy KDE users here
20:08.51tkoski?
20:09.04simonrvnno
20:09.13simonrvnjust ask the question
20:09.58nsadmin!anyone
20:09.58dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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20:11.20Haji_2hi, howto disable the hotplug feature of xorg (xserver don't know)?
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20:11.56upIRCthis dist is going like fedora and the like
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20:12.15simonrvnanyone have an input to my question?
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20:12.36simonrvnHaji_2: "hotplug feature"?
20:12.41upIRCthey should have left xorg alone, now its all screwed up
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20:12.53simonrvnworks fine
20:13.10nsadminwhosa they?
20:13.16Haji_2simonrvn, hal i guess
20:13.26upIRCbut it's doesn't configure the same, i been screwing around with xorg.conf since 02
20:13.33upIRCjust leave things alone
20:13.42simonrvnREPOST -- i have stuff like ip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz Null0 and i want ip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz/32 Null0 # anything without a block should get a /32
20:13.54simonrvnxorg didn't exist in '02 ...
20:14.55simonrvnconfgures almost exactly the same. i don't know what you're doing that makes that difficult.
20:14.56Haji_2simonrvn, has nothing to do with xorg directly but still, /etc/hal/fdi/policy/*.fdi seems not to change anything
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20:15.30stermihi, how can i check which version of glibc a pc is using?
20:15.39simonrvnuse dpkg
20:15.46stermii have no rights
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20:16.11jelly-homestermi: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1
20:16.15format_csimonrvn, regarding the route: Is it a real question?
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20:16.27nsadminupIRC: complaining just to complain? joining the channel just to complain?
20:16.39simonrvnformat_c: yes it is
20:16.41[twisti]i have a problem with my samba. i logged in from my windows xp machine, and i put in my username and password, and i can read everything, but i dont have write rights to files my user definitely has write rights to
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20:16.53format_cSo you want to have a host route on Linux?
20:16.57stermiii  libc6          2.3.6-15       GNU C Library: Shared libraries
20:17.00simonrvnformat_c: i have about 6000 like that, i want to use sed or such to do that
20:17.10jelly-homestermi: that's it, 2.3.4
20:17.14jelly-homeuh. 2.3.6
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20:17.32format_csorry I missed the initial question
20:18.01kinjimy nvidia drivers aren't working...I installed them same way I installed them like 6 times before...
20:18.16simonrvnformat_c: pretty much just add a /32 to anything that doesn't have a cidr
20:18.17kinjiHow can I remove them all without having to reinstall debian
20:18.20format_cmaking "ip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz Null0" to what?
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20:18.42eptalonheyas..
20:18.42simonrvnip route www.xxx.yyy.zzz/32 Null0
20:18.48stermi2.18 <.< are the latest
20:18.48format_cah ok
20:18.51stermidamn it
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20:19.03eptalonIs rsync a good option to ocpy the whole /usr tree from one fs to another (both xfs)?
20:19.11simonrvnsimple for someone used to sed, but i'm not, sad to say
20:19.20eptalonthe second is like half the size of the first.
20:19.23newsensei just noticed the elf binary core in my /, anyone know what its for ?
20:19.26oOarthurOowhere did the gnome dictionary applet go in lenny? I'm sure I've seen it lying around here somewhere before....
20:19.36simonrvnnewsense: use gdb on it
20:19.51newsensesimonrvn, ok let me try that
20:20.02eptalonthe fisrt has like half of it empty space.
20:20.10tzikuHello, i have a problem. I can ping some sites (not about all) from my server (who is connected directly through optical cable) but i can't ping from my computer who is connected throu this server. What can be problem ?
20:20.25jelly-homestermi: that's not a glibc version.
20:20.49newsensesimonrvn, gdb is a debugger though, what will that tell me ?
20:20.51eptalontziku: firewall, network forwarding?
20:20.55simonrvnformat_c: i just end up with stuff like xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/32 everywhere, with the stuff i've trie
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20:21.00simonrvnnewsense: yes
20:21.04newsensesimonrvn, do you have the file in your /
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20:21.14simonrvnno. why would i?
20:21.17tzikueptalon this are all my settings: http://pastebin.com/d2eb536b . I don't have firewall etc.
20:21.31newsensesimonrvn, thats my question why do i
20:21.36stermiso jelly-home ? i don't unserstand
20:21.46simonrvnbecause something crashed, and dumped core
20:21.48jelly-homestermi: I guess you meant GLib, not glibc.  In that case, dpkg -l libglib2.0-0 | tail -1
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20:21.59stermiops sorry
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20:22.15format_csimonrvn, $ echo "ip route www.yy.zz.xx Null0" | awk ' {$3=$3"/32"; print ; }'
20:22.19format_ce.g.
20:22.30jelly-homestermi: what are you REALLY trying to do?
20:22.32stermiii  libglib2.0-0   2.12.4-1       The GLib library of C routines
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20:22.49newsensesimonrvn, oh ok i see its a coredump
20:22.56stermii have to use GHashTable but i don't know which version of glib i need to use it
20:22.58newsenselike freenodes servers last night
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20:23.27mmestnikHello, I have a system that I installed more then 7 years ago.  The system is now failing to boot with a lvchange for your current version of LVM not available.
20:23.43mmestnikHow can I build an initrd for this system that will suck less?
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20:24.06jelly-homestermi: which language?
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20:24.10stermic
20:24.16jelly-homestermi: is libglib2.0-dev installed?
20:24.23stermihow can i see?
20:24.25mmestnikI don't want to break the long time winning streak with a format c:\ -> re-install now.
20:24.34stermianyway i tryed to compile and everything go well
20:24.48simonrvnformat_c: so, any input?
20:25.00format_cwhat means any input?
20:25.03jelly-homestermi: dpkg -l libglib2.0-dev |grep ^.i would show something if it was
20:25.05upIRC_Whats with the new xorg, what is the radical change all about?
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20:25.17mmestnikWiat it's past xmass 2008, so that would be more then 8 years now.
20:25.26simonrvnformat_c: have an idea on how i can do that?
20:25.34stermiii  libglib2.0-dev 2.12.4-1       Development files for the GLib library
20:25.47eptalonupIRC_: mostly licensing, iirc.
20:25.49format_csimonrvn, what do you mean with "any input"?
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20:26.01simonrvnformat_c: have an idea on how i can do that? # that's what i mean
20:26.23jelly-homeupIRC_: two things. a) it can work even without a config file; b) debian maintainers have decided to clean up all the defaults from the config file
20:26.24mmestnikCan I get an initrd off a boot CD, perhaps?
20:26.33tzikuHello, i have a problem. I can ping some sites (not about all) from my server (who is connected directly through optical cable) but i can't ping from my computer who is connected throu this server. What can be problem ?
20:26.57format_chow about that: $ echo "ip addr  www.yy.zz.xx Null0" | awk '/^ip route/ {$3=$3"/32"; print ; }'
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20:27.12mmestniktziku: routing/nat...
20:27.20eptalonHeyas, whats the best wayx to transfer a /usr tree from one partition to another?
20:27.24simonrvnformat_c: i'll give that a run-through
20:27.26eptalonrsync?
20:27.31jelly-homeeptalon: cp -a?
20:27.35simonrvn(without the echo ;)
20:27.39format_csimonrvn, if you change "addr" back to "route" the modified statement will be printed
20:27.40upIRC_jelly-home: right, So that's a deffinate improvement. But it's a pain in the Ass
20:27.44eptalonjelly-home: does that handle links?
20:27.46format_csimonrvn, of course
20:27.54tzikummestnik can you help me i try to solve this problem from about 5 days...day and day i try to find on google. This are all my settings on server: http://pastebin.com/d2eb536b
20:27.56jelly-homeeptalon: symlinks, hardlinks, yes.
20:28.10mmestniktziku: check tcpdump output with -i pointing at the uplink(the optical link.)
20:28.32eptalonjelly-home: in what way is it better than rsync?
20:28.32simonrvnformat_c: it just adds it, i also need to exclude any that have a /XX already.
20:28.55jelly-homeeptalon: it's easier to remember the correct option set.
20:28.57FarhadixHi guys, I have a ISA Lankom 1200U network card that debian(sarge) can't find it. how run this card?
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20:29.13abrotmanFarhadix: isapnp or jumpered?
20:29.20Farhadixisapnp
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20:29.27mmestniktziku:  I'd use firehol to do the rest, looks like your missing some iptables commands.
20:29.39dante_2corejelly-home, well, remembering option sets becomes unnecessary as soon as you start alias-ing stuff
20:29.51Farhadixabrotman, ^^
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20:29.55jamesstanleyWhat is considered the correct way to have named computers inside a LAN? Is it to put entries in /etc/hosts on each computer or use some daemon? Maybe DNS?
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20:30.15mmestnikHave firehol do the ip_forward and the modprobe bits for you.
20:30.19jelly-homedante_2core: I don't keep all my aliases in the wallet.
20:30.32nsadminjamesstanley internal dns is probably easier to sync
20:30.32eptalonjamesstanley: depends on the size of the lan.
20:30.39jamesstanleyabout 6 computers
20:30.52jamesstanley/etc/hosts isn't considered a terrible hack or anything?
20:30.57dante_2corejelly-home, oh, well - I didn't follow the story. well, I use almost only cli, so I know most of the options I frequently use, even though they're a lot
20:31.04eptalonjamesstanley: not necessarily.
20:31.06nsadminthat's probably what it's for
20:31.07jamesstanleyok
20:31.10jamesstanleythanks
20:31.16format_csimonrvn, is perl an alternative?
20:31.27eptalonjamesstanley: alternatively set up a dhcp server and tell them to use dhcp
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20:31.36simonrvnanything that'll work is fine
20:31.41jamesstanleyeptalon: can dhcp do host names?
20:31.45jamesstanleyI thought it just did IP addresses
20:31.50eptalonjamesstanley: yep
20:31.53jamesstanleyNice one
20:31.58jamesstanleygoes away to set that up
20:32.16nsadminand dns address, and printer address, and a few other things
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20:32.22salmanderGeneral question. I'm trying to setup hosting for non-for-profit groups, and I need to setup about 40 different domains. Is there some tool that automates. 1. creating account, 2. creating bind master entry  and 3. setup corresponding apache virtual host?
20:32.27nsadmingateway address
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20:33.06eptalonnsadmin: boot-from-network file, time-server...
20:35.17jamesstanleysalmander: you could probably write a perl script to do that
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20:35.24jamesstanleythat would be my approach
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20:38.27format_csimonrvn, this should work. But quite ugly:
20:38.29format_c<PROTECTED>
20:38.46format_csimonrvn, just piping in that command
20:38.54simonrvnindeed, fugly even =)
20:39.14format_cbut IPv4 compliant
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20:40.07kinjifix my nvidia drivers :D
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20:41.37mboman#exim is a bit dead, and I am looking for some exim help. How can I configure exim to accept *all* mail, regardless who it is addressed to, and deliver it to a local mailbox?
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20:43.03avuformat_c, not really, that would easily validate invalid IP addresses :)
20:43.28format_cavu, OK your right
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20:49.06dkrmboman: does exim have a virtusertable?  (that's how it's done in sendmail:  an entry in virtusertable for a domain with no user:  @mydomain.org  localmailbox
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20:50.07[twisti]my hard drive keeps shutting down after 1 second. i already checked the bios and laptop_mode. any other ideas ?
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20:51.18mbomandkr: would that work for any user at any domain? Want to collect all the garbage coming my way.. Spammers are free to think I am a open relay, but I want local delivery on everything to my junk account
20:52.19dkrmboman: nope, that method was for specific domain.  maybe do a search for "honeytrap" "spamtrap" for clues?
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20:53.26abrotman[twisti]: maybe you mixed up your HDD/monitor commands?
20:53.39[twisti]abrotman: probably
20:53.42lostsonhmm why would sylpheed depend on claws
20:53.52lostsonnow i have both installed and really only needed one
20:53.55[twisti]but i already checked all i remember, and i cant find anything i could have set like that
20:54.00abrotmanlostson: IIRC sylpheed used to be called sylpheed-claws
20:54.05lostsonthis i know
20:54.10abrotmanuse balsa!
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20:54.36bolthm.. i think i'll code a webserver that'll allow proxying the first (and possibly second) page any ip requests and then return goatse for any image requests and a goatse ascii for any html requests thereafter
20:54.41simonrvnformat_c, if you were still here, i'd say thank you
20:54.47Tramp!ops lavendergirl spams onjoin
20:54.47dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tramp complains about: lavendergirl spams onjoin
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20:54.55lostsonabrotman: but what if i want something that doesnt depend on gnome
20:55.00bolti get so many failed proxy attemps it's just stupid
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20:55.17jelly-homebolt: why do you keep your ports open!
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20:55.31boltjelly-home: serving webpages?
20:55.36abrotmanlostson: as opposed to ?
20:55.42jelly-homebolt: oh.
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20:55.48boltjelly-home: :)
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20:56.16boltjelly-home: i just think i'll redirect anything not on a domain i host to my homemade goatserv. hm.. nice name
20:56.29lostsonabrotman: as oopsed to claws or sylpheed
20:56.32boltruns off to code goatserv v0.1 alpha
20:56.39click170A friend of mine is trying to tell me that signing an email thusly http://pastebin.ca/1319896  is not the same as 'signing' it with a certificate from these people   https://www.thawte.com/secure-email/web-of-trust-wot/index.html        Admittedly, I don't know much about this topic but I know neither does my friend.  Is there a difference?
20:56.48abrotmanlostson: i meant, which GUI toolkit would you prefer?
20:56.57lostsonabrotman: gtk of course
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20:59.22salmanderjamesstanley: I'm sure at least a million people had to deal with automating this issue, I'm sure someone had done it already.
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21:00.23mbomanclick170: pgp vs. s/mime. PGP is as good as your keyring is, with no central authority you only have the web of trust to go on. S/Mime has the standard CA hierarchy, with its pros and cons..
21:00.30jamesstanleysalmander: the sort of people who have this issue are probably mostly the sort of people who write perl scripts to automate their tasks ;)
21:00.47jamesstanleyoh i see what you mean
21:00.50jamesstanleynever mind
21:01.22click170mboman: Thankyou
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21:02.18stewsays "BOOO" to the "standard CA hierarchy"
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21:03.25[twisti]still looking for someone to have an idea why my hdd shuts down after 1 second of inactivity. i already tried/looked into: bios, apm, acpi, laptop_mode, hdparm, none of those things helped
21:03.38mbomanstew: it has its uses, but not the best choice in all circumstances
21:04.01Slapphello people, anyone have installed firefox 3 with Debian etch?
21:04.14stewhopefully monkeyshpere is going to start handling the distribution of x509
21:04.36Slappi'm running firefox 3 with debian etch but i can't see my printers list
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21:05.37Slappit's anyone passing through this ?
21:05.43Trampmboman: Are you sure this Thawte link he gave is about S/MIME? It talks about some "Thawte Web Of Trust" but fails to specify it further
21:06.44mbomanTramp: Thawte is issuing s/mime certs. Their web-of-trust is to get a person of good standing to verify your free s/mime cert
21:07.18Trampmboman: ah, ok then. Thanks for the clarification.
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21:07.49tzikuHello, i have a problem. I can ping some sites (not about all) from my server (who is connected directly through optical cable) but i can't ping from my computer who is connected throu this server. What can be problem ?
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21:08.35Spidatziku: mtu
21:08.40tzikumtu ?
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21:09.22tzikuSpida my settings are: http://pastebin.com/d2eb536b
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21:13.01Tramptziku: what's the IP of the computer which can't ping?
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21:14.02tzikumy computer ip is 89.33.107.10. Server ips are 89.33.107.1 and 86.55.5.38. Now from server i have reply from webmin.com but from my computer (89.33.107.10) i have no reply.
21:14.21tzikusame from: scanalert.com . and others
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21:14.46avtobiffi could not roll my own kernel with kp mantra
21:14.46Tramptziku: can "computer" ping 89.33.107.1?
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21:14.59avtobiffit complained about "madwifi maybe does not now --rootcmd"
21:15.05tzikuyes...cos my computer gw is 89.33.107.1
21:15.22Tramptziku: can "computer" ping 86.55.5.37
21:15.32avtobiffcan i do "fakeroot make-kpkg ..." instead and omit --rootcmd?
21:15.52tzikuyes Tramp.
21:15.54drakx11I have just used the network boot disk to install the minimal version of debian to test (something up with my H/D) is it possible to install the same things from the terminal i get .. i.e KDE4 (if that can be installed)
21:16.38Tramptziku: ok. You have a nameservice problem, no networking problem I think. Ping something from "computer" by IP, not by name
21:16.41drakx11as from the disk if i where to connect to the internet and install a desktop
21:17.10Tramptziku: e.g. try to ping "74.125.39.147" from "computer"
21:17.22tzikuTramp somebody hive me to read this: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-4.html . but i can't understand my problem from here
21:17.36tzikuTramp i have reply from: 74.125.39.147
21:17.48Tramptziku: this link has nothing to do with your problem
21:18.12Tramptziku: your "computer" cannot translate names (like "www.google.com") to IPs.
21:18.42tzikucomputer can translate all name
21:18.53tzikuis making DNS but no ping reply
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21:19.45drdoIs there a repository with up-to-date NVIDIA drivers?
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21:20.42tzikuTramp: http://www.scooter-center.ro/canping.JPG
21:20.53illbeatyouhrm. i am having trouble with my custom tcp/ip program
21:21.04illbeatyoui set all the fields necessary but wireshark is telling me that none of the fields are set
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21:21.17flowerwhere can I find this folder on Debian? <install-dir>/jre/lib/audio
21:21.24flowerits for a sun java program
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21:22.29Tramptziku: no idea why you get reply from 74.125.39.147 but not from 216.34.181.97 to be honest. Maybe a #windows-problem
21:22.50\amethystflower:  /usr/lib/jvm/<jvm name and version>/jre/lib/audio/
21:24.37\amethystflower:  <jvm name and version> might be for example java-1.5.0-sun or java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.16 or java-6-sun
21:24.52flower\amethyst: ok thanks
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21:25.17drdoIs it possible to get only a couple of packages from sid and keep my system in lenny?
21:27.13mythomaniachow come when I issue this command, in lenny, dmesg | grep RAMDISK i get no response as to what the size of the ramdisk is?
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21:27.50\amethystmythomaniac: is there a ramdisk?
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21:28.41mythomaniac\amethyst, yes, it shows that there are 16 0-15 from issuing this command, ls -l /dev/ram*
21:28.45drdoguys?
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21:29.23mythomaniac\amethyst, it should tell me the default size as set by the kernel
21:29.47HardDisk_WPmarco@www:/usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/uploads$ free
21:29.47HardDisk_WP-bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory
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21:29.59jelly-homeheh.
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21:30.02HardDisk_WPwtf? free showed me one minute ago 129MB free ram
21:30.02mythomaniac\amethyst, when doing dmesg | grep RAMDISK that is
21:30.15HardDisk_WPis this some bug in the vserver host system?
21:31.12abrotmanor a bug in the hardware
21:31.14jelly-homeHardDisk_WP: vservers are pretty jails/chroots; a single kernel drives them all
21:32.00jelly-homeHardDisk_WP: might be a bug, an instance taking more than it should, or your provider is overselling
21:33.04HardDisk_WPah ok, I suspect the latter.
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21:34.40\amethystmythomaniac:  I don't get a message about the ramdisks either (on sid); here support is linked-in rather than modular
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21:35.15\amethystmythomaniac:  if you want to find out the size and number of ramdisks, look in /sys/block/ram*/size
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21:36.25mythomaniac\amethyst, cool, thanks
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21:37.49[twistiii]does anyone know anything about running rtorrent in CLI or daemon mode ?
21:38.28sneezewortvaldyn: you there?
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21:39.36tzikuHello. I have a SERVER and a COMPUTER. SERVER have internet from optical cable. And COMPUTER from SERVER.My problem is: I i have ping reply from all sites from SERVER but from COMPUTER i don't have ping reply from some sites (ex. webmin.com , scanalert.com). My server config is: http://pastebin.com/d2eb536b and my computer ip is 89.33.107.10.
21:40.42abrotmantziku: tried #networking ?
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21:41.41tzikuno abrotman i will try now thanks
21:42.05sneezewortvaldyn: I found an answer here just FYI : http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/T400/lenny
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21:44.15runahi does anybody use kazehakase
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21:44.33dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
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21:45.11H2S04Does anybody us some_program?
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21:45.20runaim not finding the ctrl+l shortcut that it is usuany in firefox
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21:46.16runaits got a shortcut accelerator but i cant see in it anything similar
21:46.53Ariel_Calzadahi i have debian etch i get PHTML file to download when i enter http://localhost/phpmyadmin any idea how to correct this?
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21:49.31EugenMayeri need a newer libdbd-sqlite3-perl ( > 1.13.2 ) 1.13.1 is current
21:49.35abrotmanruna: i have tried it
21:49.37EugenMayerany chance to get a deb package for it?
21:49.44abrotmanruna: though i tried the webkit one ... supercrashy
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21:53.15Ward1983does the debian liveCD run on systems with 128MB RAM?
21:53.43drdoHow can i install a package from sid but keep my system on lenny?
21:54.53epsilondebootstrap
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21:55.53abrotmanWard1983: it has documentation
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21:56.25Ward1983abrotman, cannot find system specs but never mind, if you dont want to help then dont
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22:01.11pobegaIs there an alternative package to msttcorefonts? I was reading online that there has been work on a fake-msttcorefonts package, but it doesn't seem to exist.
22:01.32abrotmanWard1983: if you don't want to do research, don't ask me to do it either
22:01.33jelly-home!liberation
22:01.34dpkgsomebody said liberation was a set of free fonts with the same metrics as Microsoft's Times New Roman, Arial and Courier New fonts.  They can act as drop-in replacements.  Packaged for Debian as 'ttf-liberation'.  http://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/
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22:01.50jelly-homepobega: ^^ ?
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22:02.25pobegajelly-home: Yeah, but that wouldn't work with applications linked directly to Microsoft's fonts. ttf-liberation offers ALTERNATIVE fonts, yes, but what about programs that RELY on msttcorefonts?
22:02.46Ward1983abrotman, i did the reseach, i cannot find an answer so i ask here, like i said, if you dont want to help then pleqse dont talk to me
22:02.58Ward1983abrotman, also i found another solution allready so...
22:03.02jelly-homepobega: make aliases (no idea how it's done with ttf)
22:03.10abrotmanWard1983: which documentation did you read?  did you even think to ask the channel related to the debian-live project?
22:03.39Ward1983abrotman, like i said i have another solution, now leave me alone you stalker
22:03.48Ward1983go fixate on someone else
22:03.52abrotmanWard1983: then leave the channel if we annoy you that much
22:04.03Ward1983YOU annoy me that much
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22:04.16abrotmanthen just put me on ignore, and your problems will all be solved
22:04.20Ward1983negative minded people in general annoy me
22:04.29abrotmansays the guy who can't do his own research
22:04.48Ward1983yes thats relevant to being negative minded
22:04.53dustybinif you was to setup your own ecommerce website, should one use .biz or .com ?
22:05.02Ward1983abrotman, i will not ever leave this channel for you
22:05.05Ward1983please remember that :)
22:05.08Ward1983ignores
22:05.18abrotmanproblem solved!
22:05.27tolecnal_;-)
22:05.52Ward1983dustybin, why not both
22:06.07abrotmandustybin: ask the appropriate channel, this is not it
22:06.09dustybinWard1983: .com has been squatted :(
22:06.16dustybinok
22:06.23dustybinabrotman: what channel?
22:06.32abrotmannot this one
22:06.35dustybinok
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22:06.55dustybin#debian-offtopic
22:07.01abrotmanthat's better
22:07.35jelly-home#debian-offtopic needs idlers!
22:08.40lostsonyeah there is only 41 in there now
22:08.50abrotmani talked today!
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22:10.09pobegaThere is a #debian-offtopic? Time to edit my irssi config!
22:10.16abrotmanpobega: /topic ?
22:10.27pobegaabrotman: I don't ever read /topic
22:10.34boltadds #debian-offtopic to his autojoin list. knew there was something that disappeared from the channel list when I restarted this thing!
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22:10.43dirksonI'm almost certain I'm asking in the wrong channel, but: One of my lock files for an /etc/init.d daemon is being created with incorrect permissions. Where do I defined which user/group a particular lock file gets created as?
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22:11.03abrotmandirkson: what m akes you think you're asking the wrong channel?
22:11.04nsadminpobega maybe you should... contains information that could affect you whether you read it or not...
22:11.07boltdirkson: probably whatever user/group the program runs as
22:11.23dirksonbolt: Nope, that's set correctly
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22:11.28ErikRoseQuick poll: where does everybody keep the little config snippets they factor up for inclusion in other vhosts? I usually make an /etc/apache2/snippets.
22:11.31pobegansadmin: I idle/chat on so many channels that I usually don't pay attention when I start up irssi
22:11.38ErikRoseis working on a bit of a best-practices framework.
22:11.43dirksonabrotman: Well, I could see it being a more general question (#linux) or a more specific question (#mailman)
22:12.06abrotmandirkson: why are the perms wrong?
22:12.24boltdirkson: if you're using debian and asking about a package which is in debian, and you used said package instead of compiling it yourself, you are well within the topic for this channel
22:12.52nsadminpobega obviously that's your choice
22:13.00dirksonabrotman: The debian install for mailman doesn't seem to care about the web interface, and it appears broken. I'm trying to fix it by giving everything the www-data group.
22:13.14jelly-homeErikRose: I has /etc/apache/hosts-available/template
22:13.14dirksonbolt: Alrighty then : )
22:13.29jelly-homeErikRose: er, .../conf.template
22:13.56jelly-homeErikRose: and the others are all *.conf, and I include only *.conf in .../hosts-enabled/
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22:14.33jelly-homedirkson: what is the exact file you're worried about?
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22:14.45ErikRoseThanks, jelly-home
22:14.51dirksonabrotman: Admittedly, my apache install /is/ pretty weird, so it may just be my config, rather than the package... But for various reasons I happen to think it's the package. Probably doesn't matter who's fault it is anyway, just need to fix it ^.^
22:14.58jelly-homeErikRose: it's a matter of taste really
22:15.09ErikRoseYep. Just polling to see if I missed something.
22:15.14jelly-home!polls
22:15.14dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
22:15.25jelly-homebeware the badgers
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22:15.33ErikRoseAww, that's no fun.
22:15.42jelly-homeit is, for the badgers
22:15.57dirksonjelly-home: Everything inside: /var/lib/mailman/locks/  This is a symlink to: /var/lock/mailman/
22:16.14jelly-homedirkson: that stuff should belong to list:list
22:16.19jelly-homeafair
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22:16.41dirksonjelly-home: It does, and that's the issue: Because it belongs to list:list, the web gui freaks out whenever it tries to access them.
22:17.32jelly-homedirkson: something's wrong then.  The cgis should be running behind setgid list wrappers
22:17.42jelly-homedirkson: list:list is correct tho
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22:18.17dirksonjelly-home: Hmm. It would be awesome if I could make the CGIs run like that. That's the way the rest of the system works. How did you manage this?
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22:18.50jelly-homedirkson: I mean, that's the way mailman works normally.  I don't have a Debian installation nearby atm
22:18.58dirksonjelly-home: Gotcha
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22:20.02jelly-homedirkson: do you have setgid list on the binaries in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman ?
22:20.14dirksonjelly-home: What?
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22:20.34jelly-homedirkson: ls -l /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin
22:20.45dirkson-rwxr-xr-x 1 list www-data 6372 2007-02-28 16:36 admin
22:20.49jelly-homedirkson: d rwx r-s <-- r-x
22:21.11dirksonWhat's that?
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22:21.20jelly-homedirkson: which debian release are you running? dpkg -l mailman libc6 |tail -2
22:21.23nsadminthat's really r-x plus setgid bit
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22:21.50jelly-homensadmin: and his wrappers have neither suid nor sgid set
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22:22.02dirksonii  libc6          2.3.6.ds1-13etch8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
22:22.03dirksonii  mailman        2.1.9-7           Powerful, web-based mailing list manager
22:22.05nsadminhmm, the wrappers
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22:22.32dirksonwould like to inform you that you've lapsed into greek?
22:22.34jelly-homedirkson: are all the files owned by list:www-data ?
22:22.44dirksonjelly-home: Yes.
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22:22.57dirksonjelly-home: With the same permissions
22:22.58jelly-homedirkson: did you at any point mess with their ownership?
22:23.19nsadminso if the wrappers are not setgid, and they run the wrapped thing, it wouldn't have the effect normally associated with running a setgid app
22:23.28jelly-home-rwxr-sr-x 1 root list 6364 2008-07-13 15:02 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/admin # this is lenny, though
22:23.37dirksonjelly-home: I am likely the cause for changing their group to www-data. I haven't touched the user ownership, though, just the group.
22:23.49jelly-homensadmin: that's still greek to dirkson I bet :-)
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22:24.07dirksonYup. No idea what nsadmin just said
22:24.15jelly-homedirkson: changing either group or user removes the setgid bit
22:24.28jelly-homedirkson: you shot yourself in the foot.
22:24.30dirksonjelly-home: Hmm. Reinstall?
22:24.41nsadminI don't know what's english to ya, but it's not set up right
22:24.43enouf!shoot dirkson
22:24.43dpkgblows dirkson away with an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers
22:24.53dirksonReinstall?
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22:24.57jelly-homedirkson: no need to; chown root:list /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/* && chmod 2755 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/*
22:24.59enoufnah
22:25.21dirksonFixed
22:25.28dirksonWell, ran the command, anyway
22:25.33nsadminit werks now?
22:25.39enoufer, you want a -R on that chmod jelly-home ?
22:26.00nsadminhopefully there aren't dirs in there
22:26.05dirksonThere aren't
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22:26.28jelly-homedirkson: pastebin the output of /usr/sbin/check_perms
22:26.45dirksonjelly-home: Hah. Shouldn't I run check_perms -f first?
22:26.48jelly-homeenouf: I know what I'm doing
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22:27.10jelly-homedirkson: that would deprive us of laughing at your mistakes!
22:27.11nsadmindirkson: run it without -f first
22:27.45jelly-homedirkson: but yes, fix them if you wish :-)
22:27.52dirksonWell, yes. But I chmoded the /entire/ /var/lib/mailman dir. Everything is www-data
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22:28.00dirksonEr.. chowned.
22:28.02jelly-homedirkson: yeah, that's bad
22:28.17jelly-homedirkson: your mails stopped being delivered to lists as well.
22:28.42dirksonjelly-home: Dude, I couldn't even make the webgui go. There wasn't any mail and there weren't any lists : )
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22:28.57jelly-homedirkson: nothing lost then
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22:29.14nsadminin any case, if we've memorized all the mailman settings such that we could detect differences, interpret those as mistakes and then laugh, that really makes us geeks...
22:29.16jelly-homedirkson: there was some other reason why the web ui didn't work, though
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22:29.54dirksonjelly-home: Aye. It was likely related to other things on my server. The thing's a mire. I always seem to muddle through, though.
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22:30.17jelly-homensadmin: check_perms shows all the permission errors.  One can tell this sort of things happens often enough that there's a script
22:31.11sverzelhi guys, one quick question (I've looked around but fear that I am blind): on packages.debian.org, in the case of e.g. KDE, how do I see what version it is? (3, 4.1, 4.2, etc.)?
22:31.41nsadminbetter we laugh as robin williams plays spore creature creator
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22:32.00sverzelthe only thing I see is 5:47 for stable and 5:48 for unstable.
22:32.03dirksonjelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m209e632e - Here's an odd sequence of commands. Wtf, mate?
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22:32.50dirksonOh, wait, I fixed it
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22:32.57dirksonStill odd, though
22:33.20jelly-homedirkson: the script doesn't seem to handle symlinks well
22:33.43dirksonjelly-home: Gotcha.
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22:34.06dirksonjelly-home: Anyway, permissions are fixed and the thing's working fine. Thanks for the help!
22:34.07craigevilsverzel:  lenny and sid are mostly 3.5.10, there are backports for lenny   and a kde4.2 repo for sid
22:34.08jelly-homedirkson: ls -lL them to see whether they're really ok
22:34.18dirksonjelly-home: Yup, I got 'em
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22:34.47jelly-homedirkson: I guess you could file a bug for that symlink confusion thing
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22:35.00jelly-homeif one's not already there
22:35.04dirksonjelly-home: Now I just have to integrate mailman and the unholy daemon (Haha) that is Postfix.
22:35.08sverzelcraigevil, I see, thanks :)
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22:36.03nsadmincan mplayer or vlc output to jack in etch?
22:36.17kinjiIs there a way to change the default sound device that flashplayer uses? I can't find anything at all on google or anywhere else
22:36.21nsadminif not, is there something I can compile into a package?
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22:37.11nsadminhere we go :P
22:37.52Firestarter-kinji: What browser?
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22:40.20kinjiFirestarter: Iceweasel. I've got my motherboard's sound hardware, and my USB headset (microsoft lifechat lx3000). Both work with sound, and I can configure them in the volume control preferences - except for iceweasel's flash
22:41.06Firestarter-kinji: edit iceweaselrc in /etc/iceweasel
22:41.48kinjiFirestarter: what would I change/add
22:42.08Firestarter-kinji: ICEWEASEL_DSP="auto"
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22:42.20Firestarter-change that to whatever you want to use
22:42.35Firestarter-/dev/audio for example
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22:44.43Firestarter-kinji: will have to find out what audio device to set it to
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22:45.13jariep1_hi there all
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22:45.50jariep1_can somebody recommend a web software for creating a small weblink directory and search engine
22:46.01craigevilmy /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc has ICEWEASEL_DSP="none"
22:46.02androidehi there, is another way to _active_ or _desactive_ services under debian without using somekind of "UI"?
22:46.09androidei mean... what about editing the file directly?
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22:47.31OrphisHello
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22:47.55OrphisI've got problems with making autofs mounting my samba shares, can someone help me ?
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22:48.48OrphisI've got some debug log to show there : http://rafb.net/p/zTLGRZ94.html
22:49.18OrphisBut I really don't know what's wrong with it :-/
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22:50.54jelly-homeOrphis: can you pastebin the output of "/etc/auto.smb orphis64" ?
22:51.34OrphisThere it is : http://rafb.net/p/ZI327W73.html
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22:51.41alaqsoryare all programs which i can use on ubuntu, i can us on debian?
22:51.49OrphisIt looks fine to me
22:52.02jelly-homeOrphis: also, dpkg -l libc6 autofs|tail -2
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22:53.11OrphisVersion of package are autofs 4.1.4 and libc6 2.8
22:53.40alaqsoryare all programs which i can use on ubuntu, i can us on debian? plz any one can reply by one of two words "yes" or "no"
22:54.06newsensealaqsory: no i dont recommend it
22:54.23nsadminalaqsory: mostly... but note that when you run debian, using programs from ubuntu repo is not going to work properly... make sure (1) it's built for debian and (b) it's built for the version of debian you're running
22:54.29alaqsorywhy? are not all of them using .deb
22:54.40Trampso now it's why?
22:54.43stewOrphis: libc6 2.8? where did that come from?
22:54.59nsadminalaqsory: do you understand libs?
22:55.01jelly-homeOrphis: hm. anything in kern.log / dmesg?
22:55.14OrphisUbuntu... ahem... I'm not running a debian on this computer
22:55.17alaqsoryyes nsadmin:
22:55.28nsadminok, so then you know why
22:55.30themillWoohoo! We have a release date for lenny... it has to be before 2009-07-01 :) http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/01/msg00008.html
22:55.31jelly-homeOrphis: you'll have to ask #ubuntu, then
22:55.33Orphis(Yes, I know, you're not here to clean the others mess :p)
22:55.47alaqsoryi just know now
22:56.04jelly-homethemill: lies!
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22:56.27nsadminalaqsory: it might sorta work in a few cases... but the package database will be screwed up
22:56.29stewthemill: no, that's not what that means :)
22:56.39themillstew: I know. Sad though...
22:56.44stewthemill: but we have a d-i rc2 now, so it should be much sooner
22:56.50Orphisjelly-home: there's nothing special in kern.log or dmesg either
22:56.54wrench-what is debian's eqiv to redhat's "chkconfig --list"
22:57.06alaqsoryi got it nsadmin :)
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22:57.20jelly-homeOrphis: can't help any more, wrong distro :-)
22:57.22OrphisThe only errors I've got are in syslog and you've already seen them in the first paste
22:57.22stewwrench-: something like "ls /etc/rc?.d"
22:57.27wrench-i have a debian system with both bind and bind9 installed and i want to see if both are trying to start at boot
22:57.32OrphisWrong distro but same software ! :P
22:57.33stew(guessing what chkconfig --list actually does)
22:57.34nsadminbut in the general case it does not work properly for reasons having to do with what is already installed and especially what is used by the thing you're installing
22:57.43stewOrphis: wrong distro, and different software
22:57.47jelly-homeOrphis: too many variables.
22:57.55Orphisautofs is labeled 4.1.4+debian-2.1ubuntu2
22:58.03OrphisShould be really close
22:58.07stewOrphis: yes, which is clearly "ubuntu changed stuff"
22:58.16stewOrphis: in any case.  its off-topic here.  sorry
22:58.31wrench-"chkconfig --list | grep ntp"   for example would show which run-levels ntpd is started in
22:58.40alaqsorynsadmin: another thing
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22:58.44jelly-homeOrphis: if you're able to reproduce on etch or lenny, come back!
22:58.48nsadminalaqsory also, there are different versions of the package manager software
22:58.49wrench-so i am trying to find the debian equivalent
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22:59.14nsadminthis may or may not have an effect on whether you can install some package\
22:59.21stewwrench-: ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*ntp*
22:59.28OrphisI'm booting my Debian VM to test
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23:00.07wrench-stew: debian doesn't have a nicer way of checking this sort of thing?
23:00.08alaqsoryi can not open .deb files because the archive manager did not support it
23:00.30alaqsorynsadmin: i can not open .deb files because the archive manager did not support it
23:00.50jelly-homewrench-: there's rcconf
23:01.00wrench-ahhh
23:01.00Ariel_Calzadahi if i write http://localhost/phpmyadmin i get the phtml problem if i write http://localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php i don't get any problem :-( any idea how to solve it
23:01.02nsadmindebs are an ar containing two .tar.gzs and a text file (well version 2 debs)
23:01.04wrench-that sounds like what i want
23:01.06wrench-ok
23:01.07wrench-thx
23:01.13stewwrench-: rcconf isn't what you want
23:01.20wrench-oh
23:01.23wrench-:-(
23:01.24stewwrench-: maybe sysv-rc-conf or sysvconfig
23:01.38nsadminalaqsory: got a .deb you want to dissect?
23:01.40alaqsoryyes they are
23:01.41stewwrench-: rcconf will tell you "do they start" not "in which runlevels do they start"
23:01.56OrphisWhy is fschk always running when you need to boot quickly ?
23:02.08stewwrench-: i'm pointing at the other two just because i haven't used them so i don't know for sure that they DON'T do what you want
23:02.35wrench-hmm
23:02.45wrench-this system doesn't have any of these things installed
23:03.00alaqsorynsadmin: install_flash_player_linux.deb
23:03.15jelly-homeOrphis: because the admin forgot to tune2fs -c 0 -i 0, or to do regular fscks
23:03.30nsadminok, make a dir, maybe called wrk
23:03.43nsadmincp install_flash_player_linux.deb wrk
23:03.46nsadmincd wrk
23:03.53nsadminar -x install_flash_player_linux.deb
23:03.55nsadminls
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23:05.21wrench-ugh
23:05.25wrench-i installed sysv-rc
23:05.35wrench-but it didn't really install
23:05.36nsadminyay!
23:05.41nsadminoh, boo!
23:05.47stewwrench-: this was all assuming you already had sysv-rc
23:05.52wrench-# whereis sysv-rc
23:05.55wrench-sysv-rc:
23:06.05wrench-this system was built by a total moron
23:06.10wrench-it has nothing
23:06.18androidewhat about rcconf ?
23:06.30stewwrench-: sysv-rc isn't a binary, its then entire /etc/rc?.d system (as opposed to, say, file-rc where this stuff is managed with text files instead of symlinks)
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23:06.37stewwrench-: i think you meant sysv-rc-conf
23:06.42stewandroide: rcconf doesn't do what he wants
23:06.49wrench-i dunno
23:06.54wrench-that's why i am here asking ;-)
23:07.24wrench-basically, i want the debian eqivalent to redhat's "chkconfig"
23:07.33nsadminstew would that be considered an older/more manual system?
23:07.43stewnsadmin: file-rc?
23:07.51nsadminyeah
23:07.54stewits newer
23:07.55wrench-which allows one to configure which daemons start in which run levels
23:08.00stewwrench-: update-rc.d
23:08.03nsadminwrench- man update-rc.d
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23:08.13stewwrench-: which IS installed on all debian sysstems by default
23:08.20wrench-i just want to list the daemons and what levels they start in though
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23:08.34wrench-this system has both bind and bind9 installed
23:08.35stewwrench-: ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*
23:08.52nsadminwrench-: find your runlevel, look in /etc/rcRUNLEVEL.d
23:08.56stewwrench-: it doesn't have both installed
23:08.59newsensei like sysv-rc-conf personally
23:09.06th1where is the glibc documentation? I have installed glibc-doc and in the past I usually found it in "info", but now it doesn't seem to be there?
23:09.09stewjudd: conflicts bind9
23:09.09juddstew: bind9 -- Conflicts: bind
23:09.15wrench-stew, it doesn't? ;-)
23:09.18stewwrench-: they conflict, you can't have both installed
23:09.28stewwrench-: not unless you installed one from source
23:09.34wrench-rc  bind                                 8.4.7-1                             Internet Domain Name Server
23:09.36jelly-hometh1: also glibc-doc-reference
23:09.40wrench-ii  bind9                                9.3.2-P1.0-1                        Internet Domain Name Server
23:09.40Ariel_Calzadaany idea???
23:09.41stewwrench-: see, bind isn't installed
23:09.49stewwrench-: bind9 is installed, bind isn't
23:09.53wrench-oh
23:09.59wrench-so i am reading that all wrong then
23:10.02wrench-cool ;-)
23:10.02OrphisSo, now I'm having the same problem with autofs on my debian VM, does it count ?
23:10.04nsadminthe config files of bind are there
23:10.12th1jelly-home, thanks that did it.. why is it in a separate package?
23:10.13stewwrench-: the 'c' in 'rc' means "removed, only config files remain"
23:10.18nsadminwhich you might consider getting rid of...
23:10.55jelly-hometh1: the changelog or README.Debian might have clues
23:10.55wrench-and init script
23:11.11wrench-so how can i remove the bind config
23:11.14stewwrench-: the init script is a config file
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23:11.50jelly-hometh1: oh.  glibc-doc-reference is not DFSG compliant, so it can't be in Debian main
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23:11.53nsadminor more correctly... the init script is in a category debian defines... called a "conffile"
23:12.05th1jelly-home, ok I see.. how bizarre;)
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23:12.08th1anyway it works now so thanks
23:12.19nsadminthe packager handles conffiles specially
23:12.25alaqsoryi am O:-)
23:12.30stewyes, i missspoke, its not a config file, but it is a conffile
23:12.43funktorhow do you make wpa_supplicant load on boot properly?
23:12.50alaqsoryi lost
23:12.52wrench-stew, so how can i remove the bind config files?
23:13.04stewwrench-: aptitude purge bind
23:13.15stewwrench-: or dpkg -P bind
23:13.21wrench-no X on this system
23:13.23wrench-ok
23:13.24nsadmin"purge" being a more powerful form of "remove"
23:13.25wrench-cool
23:13.34stewneither of those would need X
23:13.38wrench-oh
23:13.46wrench-never used aptitude
23:13.53jelly-home!gfdl
23:13.53dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, gfdl is probably the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html.  See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
23:13.59th1jelly-home, is gfdl not DFSC compliant?
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23:14.06jelly-hometh1: correct
23:14.08wrench-sounded like some gui front-end or something
23:14.10wrench-thanks
23:14.18th1jelly-home, I see.
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23:14.45alaqsoryi need sthinh else from you nsadmin:
23:14.53alaqsorysomething*
23:14.58nsadminit's in the same category as the text of a license... can't be altered or removed
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23:15.12jelly-hometh1: this would usually be the time for my rant about a GNU/Linux distro that doesn't have basic C developer docs, but I'll have a beer instead
23:15.22nsadminalaqsory: unfortunately I have a rehersal I have to leave now for
23:15.23alaqsoryi want reporitories for lnny
23:15.34th1jelly-home, I'd rather write to FSF (where I'm a member) and complain :)
23:15.36alaqsorylenny
23:15.36Orphisjelly-home: This is the syslog output from autofs with debug http://rafb.net/p/BpRj0w24.html
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23:15.51jelly-homeOrphis: -> #ubuntu with that
23:15.53nsadminthat's easy enough, someone will be along.
23:16.03Orphisjelly-home: This is my Debian VM
23:16.05alaqsoryand in any way **thank you**
23:16.09th1jelly-home, but it certainly is ironic that the documentation for the most core FSF package fails to qualify
23:16.10jelly-homeOrphis: ooh! :-)
23:16.38jelly-hometh1: legalese is difficult
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23:16.53th1jelly-home, it's easy, they can just remove the "Invariant Section" and it's "free"
23:17.42th1anyhow, it just feels annoying
23:17.44jelly-hometh1: if you convince FSF to do that, Debian people would likely be grateful
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23:17.57th1I will certainly write to them about it.
23:18.09DeathWolfmmm, does anyone know if it's possible to use proper options passing when using mount -o loop?(ie to the submount)
23:18.39dutchfishDeathWolf, iso image?
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23:18.53DeathWolfno, disc image
23:18.53th1DeathWolf, ? if you pass other options than loop they are passed as normal
23:18.58jelly-homeOrphis: dpkg -l libc6 autofs|tail -2 (etch, lenny, or something else?  lenny or sid will be closer to your ubuntu system)
23:19.05DeathWolfuh... then mount.hfsplus is broken
23:19.12DeathWolfI'm passing it forced gid and uid and it's ignoring them
23:19.14dutchfishDeathWolf, thought that mount -o loop /dev/foo /mnt/foo would do it
23:19.26OrphisI've just booted it, installed winbinds autofs smbclient smbfs, copied my credential file "username = xxxx\npassword = xxxx" to /etc/auto.smb.192.168.2.23 (for some reason I can't resolve the netbios name but direct ip works fine)
23:19.35th1DeathWolf, if you use losetup and then mount it directly does it work then?
23:19.48DeathWolfgood question, let me try
23:19.53jelly-homeOrphis: /etc/resolv.conf might be broken
23:20.07Orphisii  autofs                               4.1.4+debian-2.1            kernel-based automounter for Linux
23:20.09Orphisii  libc6                                2.7-16                      GNU C Library: Shared libraries
23:20.25DeathWolfindeed, it does not work
23:20.30DeathWolfso the guilty one is mount -t hfsplus
23:20.40th1then mount.hfsplus is indeed broken :)
23:20.44dutchfishDeathWolf, or mount -t [your fs] -o loop /dev/foo /ment/foo
23:20.52DeathWolfthat's what I already did
23:20.56OrphisAnd I'm running unstable version of debian
23:21.00DeathWolfand I wrongfully blamed -o loop on not passing the options
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23:21.07DeathWolfbut it seems it's mount.hfsplus that's guilty
23:21.27dutchfish!hfsplus
23:21.27dpkgit has been said that hfsplus is the hfs+ kernel filesystem driver for modern mac filesystems. eg, "mount -t hfsplus ...".  <parted> supports the resizing (shrink only) of HFS/HFS+ filesystems, provided that the start of the partition stays fixed.
23:21.33DeathWolf-o uid=1001,gid=1001 is seemingly not doing anything to it
23:21.36Orphisjelly-home: I've only edited /etc/nsswitch.conf and added wins where it should be
23:21.55dutchfishDeathWolf, you mount it as root?
23:22.00DeathWolfyes
23:22.23jelly-homeOrphis: 'k, it doesn't really matter.
23:22.25DeathWolf<00:20:45> root@duran:~$ mount -t hfsplus -o uid=1001,gid=1001 /dev/loop0 /mnt/shared/test
23:22.42th1$ = root shel?
23:22.44jelly-homeOrphis: autofs4 kernel module is loaded?
23:22.47OrphisYeah, it should work with direct Ip address
23:22.47DeathWolfyes
23:22.54DeathWolf(I changed it, sorry)
23:23.02OrphisIt is
23:23.04th1DeathWolf, if your prompt shows $ and you just copy/pasted that then you're probably not root ;)
23:23.12DeathWolfI am root
23:23.21DeathWolfit's just my PS1 is the same for both root and user
23:23.22DeathWolf(sudo -s)
23:23.34DeathWolfAnd I have not yet bothered to change it again
23:23.36th1DeathWolf, use \\$ :)
23:23.41dutchfishDeathWolf, huh? /dev/loop0? you have used then losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/foo ?
23:23.45th1it expands to $ for uid!=0 and # for uid=0
23:24.00DeathWolfwell I can do it with -o loop if you like it better, same result
23:24.04DeathWolffine fine th1:)
23:24.07jelly-homeOrphis: you just uncommented #/smb   /etc/auto.smb in auto.master, right?
23:24.13OrphisYes
23:24.23jelly-homeOrphis: stupid question, does /smb exist?
23:24.33OrphisAnd created the credential file /etc/auto.smb.orphis64
23:24.39th1anyway DeathWolf try running the mount.hfsplus directly with strace and see what it is saying to the kernel
23:24.52dutchfishDeathWolf, subtitute the /dev/loop0 part by the actual device or use instead /path/file
23:24.58Orphisjelly-home: /smb exists and is empty
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23:25.05jelly-homephew
23:25.17th1dutchfish, he tried already with -o loop and without -o loop and losetup first
23:25.19OrphisAnd mount reports : ii  autofs                               4.1.4+debian-2.1            kernel-based automounter for Linux
23:25.19DeathWolfdutchfish: it's *not* that, I already tried with normal -o loop and the file
23:25.21Orphisii  libc6                                2.7-16                      GNU C Library: Shared libraries
23:25.32jelly-homethat's not mount! :-)
23:25.34Orphis... copy paste isn't working really great with my VM :p
23:25.44\amethystDeathWolf:  I doubt mount -t hfsplus supports the uid and gid options
23:25.44jelly-homessh into it :-)
23:25.47Orphisautomount(pid6420) on /smb type autofs (rw,fd=5,pgrp=6420,minproto=2,maxproto=4)
23:26.11\amethystDeathWolf:  usually those are only supported on filesystems that are incapable of storing Unix ownership and permissions
23:26.13th1is hfs = hfsplus?
23:26.13DeathWolf\amethyst: that'd make sense... though it's pretty stupid
23:26.21th1because if it is it supports uid/gid options
23:26.35jelly-homemine's automount(pid4391) on /net/smbfs type autofs (rw,fd=4,pgrp=4391,minproto=2,maxproto=4) ... reasonable
23:27.27dutchfishDeathWolf, what does it throw at you exactly?
23:27.28th1\amethyst, and read-only file systems also, usually..
23:27.40DeathWolf/mnt/r/disk.img on /mnt/shared/test type hfsplus (rw,loop=/dev/loop0,uid=1001,gid=1001)
23:27.58DeathWolfyet there are plenty of root/non-existing users owned files in /mnt/shared/test
23:28.35dutchfishDeathWolf, again what error you got?
23:28.43DeathWolferror? I never got any error.
23:28.50DeathWolfI'm just complaining it's ignoring gid&uid I'm telling it to use.
23:28.51th1according to /usr/src/linux-2.6.28/Documentation/filesystems/hfsplus.txt, hfsplus *does* support uid and gid options
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23:29.24DeathWolfthe odd part is that some files&folders do use the provided gid
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23:29.27DeathWolfjust... a small part of them
23:29.50th1DeathWolf, uid and gid only works for those who have uninitialized ownership :)
23:29.52th1it says so in the doc
23:29.57DeathWolfok
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23:30.03DeathWolfso there's no way to overwrite those permissions?
23:30.13DeathWolfthough... I could mount --bind with forced permissions maybe...
23:30.14\amethystchown :)
23:30.23DeathWolfI do not want to touch that image.
23:30.25th1DeathWolf, not other than mounting without uid/gid and doing chown -R uid.uid /path/to/mnt
23:30.28DeathWolf(which reminds me I have to pass it ro)
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23:30.45OrphisI'm really puzzled by that problem... What could be wrong ?
23:30.46th1if you have to mount it ro I don't think it can be done ATM
23:31.05DeathWolfI'll have to find a way to let the user mount it then
23:31.06\amethystwell
23:31.18\amethystmaybe you could unionfs a tempfs on top of it
23:31.20\amethystthen chown
23:31.22DeathWolfthough no... that will probably not change a thing
23:31.28DeathWolfyeah... I was thinking of that...
23:31.31th1yes \amethyst that's the solution
23:31.35jelly-homeOrphis: does a manual "mount -t cifs -o credentials=/etc/auto.smb.192.168.2.23 //192.168.2.23/Download /mnt" (or anywhere else) work?
23:31.35zleapi think normal users can mount stuff if you let them
23:31.55th1zleap, that's not really the issue here
23:32.01zleapok
23:32.09jelly-homeOrphis: me too, as it works-for-me
23:32.22\amethystDeathWolf:  *hopefully* only the inodes and not the contents will be in the tmpfs, but I would test
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23:32.30DeathWolfhehe
23:33.00th1\amethyst, I'm pretty sure it would work like that since hfsplus supports hardlinks..
23:33.37\amethystth1:  yeah, but will unionfs let the top fs link to the bottom fs?  and what would that look like if you mounted just the top fs?
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23:34.07OrphisIt works just fine manually
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23:35.03dutchfish\amethyst, strugling with this myself in a slightly other version, would it be possible to make a snapshot with a COW device in ram also let you change the UUID (ie chown) with the underlying FS being RO?
23:35.24OrphisIt already worked on the Ubuntu I use for a media center, and I was using a static fstab to access the samba shares
23:37.17DeathWolfhaha, I found a solution. My issue was that my samba share on the -o loop mounted disk did not let me access all files, but samba actually has this great little option for shares called admin users, which lets them have their session under uid0.
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23:38.06th1dutchfish, if you make a LVM snapshot it will just replace all the block that are written, including inodes..
23:38.35dutchfishth1, so basically no gain (in space)?
23:39.02th1dutchfish, you save the space of the files it just replaces the inodes
23:39.10dutchfishth1, righty
23:39.10th1or the blocks where the inodes are stored..
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23:39.39dutchfishth1, if i dont use LVM can i pull this off still?
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23:40.01th1probably but I wouldn't know how ;) LVM encapsulates a lot of magic nicely
23:40.32dutchfishth1, so an iso -o loop mounted created with losetup and snapshot the /dev/loopx ?
23:40.51th1dutchfish, no because you can't mount an iso r/w
23:41.02th1not with isofs at least
23:41.03dutchfishth1, for that i need the COW
23:41.12th1yes
23:41.17th1so you need unionfs
23:41.29dutchfishth1, aha ... thats where i dont grasp it
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23:41.45dutchfishth1, info? examples?
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23:42.56th1dutchfish, google unionfs iso .. but I don't know if it will copy the files when you change the mode. if it does that would be a good enhancement to unionfs ;)
23:43.08dutchfishth1, i wa smerely thinking of the qemu way, didnt realize this could be done with unionfs
23:43.30dutchfishth1, at least i can try
23:43.37th1yes and please tell if it works :)
23:44.10dutchfishth1, i sure will, i am trying to create debian-install-images with injected drivers scriptomatically
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23:44.28dutchfishdarn netsplit
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23:44.30dutchfishth1, i sure will, i am trying to create debian-install-images with injected drivers scriptomatically
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23:45.00DeathWolf\amethyst: did my last message go through?
23:45.07DeathWolf(on the other side of the split)
23:45.30dutchfishth1, got my last line?
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23:46.05dutchfish!ping
23:46.05dpkgpong
23:46.06\amethystDeathWolf:  last I saw was 18:32:30 < DeathWolf> hehe
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23:46.23toolzhi
23:46.25DeathWolfthen: haha, I found a solution. My issue was that my samba share on the -o loop mounted disk did not let me access all files, but samba actually has this great little option for shares called admin users, which lets them have their session under uid0.
23:46.30toolzguys I have a really big problem
23:46.40DeathWolfso I solved the solution in another way.
23:47.01toolzI have a dell latitude D610 and I don't know the HDD password to access data
23:47.13toolzis there anyone here who knows how the heck can I remove or unlock that
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23:47.22toolzI know anything else, admin password, system password, etc
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23:48.25gimmalis there any *easy* way to upgrade etch->lenny|sid ? aptitude hasn't finished yet, all the hours I've given it to resolve deps in such an upgrade
23:48.27dutchfishtoolz, the only way i know of is by flashing bios or using Vpro (for the last one you need dell support0
23:48.28th1dutchfish, yes
23:48.33dutchfishth1, ok
23:48.36th1thanks
23:48.44th1let me know how it works
23:48.57dutchfishth1, ok, i will
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23:49.04dutchfishth1, gone do thta tommorrow
23:49.10dutchfishs/thta/that
23:49.15toolzdutchfish I cant use dell support every time I enter the EXPRESS SERVICE CODE that robot chick tells me its incorrect, but its correct..
23:49.16dkr!tell dutchfish about etch->lenny
23:49.17frostschutztoolz: http://www.hddunlock.com but it's not free. if you find a free alternative, tell me.
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23:49.20jelly-homeOrphis: I'm puzzled.  The only thing I have different is a legacy copy of /etc/auto.smb with stuff fixed, and it works; the distro one works for me as well.
23:49.31dkr!tell gimmal  about etch->lenny
23:49.36dkrdutchfish: sorry, :)
23:49.48dutchfishdkr, np
23:50.03gimmalsafe-upgrade, full-upgrade, awesome
23:50.11dutchfishtoolz, then i am afraid there is nothing you can do then replace the crypted disk
23:50.12gimmaldkr: much thanks
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23:50.34jelly-homeOrphis: I'm puzzled.  The only thing I have different is a legacy copy of /etc/auto.smb with stuff fixed, and it works; just tried the distro one works for me as well.
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23:51.21gimmalschweet, that's why linux is more professional than the microsoft domain
23:51.34toolzdutchfish what about that link frostschutz told me about
23:51.47Orphis:(
23:51.51jelly-homeOrphis: I guess stracing the automount process to see what it's actually trying to do might possibly shed some light on this
23:52.58dutchfishtoolz, sure but you will loose all data anyway, i dont know if by doing so will violate support, just call them they will be helpfull i gues
23:53.21toolzdutchfish they dont accept my express code how can I get in touch with an agent
23:53.32toolzI dont care about data just need to unlock it
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23:53.47dutchfishtoolz, bull, if thats really a dell lappy it goes by service tag
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23:54.23frostschutzhdd passwords dont really encrypt anything?
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23:55.23toolzdutchfish I have the servi tag aswell, but when calling they ask me for the expression code, its near by the servie tag
23:55.29dutchfishfrostschutz, not only, if the lappy has theft support its encrypted
23:55.55toolzbut the robot tells me either not understanding or invalid express service code
23:56.01toolzalready tryed before
23:56.17dutchfishtoolz, its express service code, and yes, they ask it if they have any doubts you are the owner
23:56.32dutchfishtoolz, and its offtopic in here anyway
23:56.36frostschutzthat's not a hdd password then though, but something else...
23:56.45dutchfishfrostschutz, yes
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23:57.25aoeui'm trying to compile the latest version of mythtv, and it says i need freetype2. i installed libfreetype6 and libfreetype6-dev, and it says i don't have it. are there any other packages that i need?
23:58.07pablohi, is there any special treatment to the electricity management on a default installation? what does acpi does?
23:59.01OrphisHmmm, I've managed to make something mount
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23:59.28Orphisjelly-home: could you show me the output of "/etc/auto.smb somehost" ?
23:59.30\amethystI think that comes from the swapfile
23:59.32\amethystdoh

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