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| 00:02.01 | jelly-home | Orphis: http://paste.debian.net/27070/ |
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| 00:03.00 | pablo | hi, is there any special treatment to the electricity management on a default installation? what does acpi does by default? |
| 00:03.01 | Orphis | It looks nice in fact |
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| 00:03.16 | Orphis | That's not the problem I've suspected then |
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| 00:03.57 | edluke | hola... |
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| 00:05.05 | format_c | Where can I see when a package has been updated using aptitude? |
| 00:06.00 | dondelelcaro | format_c: check the log if you want to know when you installed it |
| 00:06.26 | themill | format_c: aptitude changelog packagename or /var/log/aptitude depending on what question you're actually asking. |
| 00:06.53 | format_c | Thanks |
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| 00:09.11 | format_c | Mhh Thougt the full-upgrade last night upgraded audacious too because my alsa sound isnt working any longer |
| 00:09.34 | format_c | But audacious hasn't been upgraded |
| 00:09.46 | themill | dpkg: tell format_c about alsa checklist |
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| 00:10.19 | themill | format_c: try something simpler than audacious to begin with, like running "aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav" in a terminal |
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| 00:10.57 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 00:11.42 | format_c | themill, thanks. |
| 00:11.47 | themill | np |
| 00:11.51 | stoned | karmatronic, hey long time no see |
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| 00:12.28 | format_c | aslaconf looked promising. Have to restart my WM because some of the processes must be killed during configuration |
| 00:12.52 | toolz | im with a dell op told him everything he needed put me on hold |
| 00:12.53 | Orphis | jelly-home: It works just fine if I put a static list like this : http://paste.debian.net/27071/ |
| 00:12.53 | toolz | will he gimme a password dutchfish? |
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| 00:13.35 | dutchfish | toolz, dunno, depends on th elappy protection, but they have prolly an in place solution, because this happens all the time |
| 00:13.50 | jelly-home | Orphis: it warrants reporting a bug, I think |
| 00:14.13 | Orphis | I would like to find how to reproduce it |
| 00:14.27 | Orphis | Because I don't really know what fails |
| 00:14.34 | toolz | yeah i checked google and most of them tell to use dell support |
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| 00:15.18 | jelly-home | Orphis: strace -ff log might help |
| 00:15.38 | karmatronic | stoned: eyah, back on track |
| 00:15.45 | Orphis | log ? |
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| 00:17.01 | Orphis | I've never used strace like that, how does it work ? |
| 00:17.11 | dutchfish | th1, unionfs-tools are not in lenny, from what i read AuFS might be a better solution, is it? |
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| 00:20.33 | dutchfish | th1, i gone try http://packages.debian.org/lenny/aufs-modules-2.6-amd64 and compile then for 2.6.28.2 , ill let you know |
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| 00:22.12 | jelly-home | Orphis: strace -ff -o somefile -p pid-of-automount-for-smb will produce output, you can ctrl-c it after a failed run |
| 00:23.16 | hyperactivething | can someone please enlighten me, I'm curious as to how to remotely end a gnome user session, ie, remotely log someone out |
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| 00:24.14 | dutchfish | !slay |
| 00:24.14 | dpkg | it has been said that slay is a handy utility that sends a given signal (kill by default) to all processes of the given user(s) |
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| 00:24.42 | jelly-home | Orphis: going to bed, hope you sort it out (or come back in 8-12 hours) |
| 00:24.53 | dutchfish | jelly-home, gn |
| 00:24.56 | Orphis | I'll idle here anyway :p |
| 00:24.58 | Orphis | Good night ! |
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| 00:25.37 | hyperactivething | hmm I'l check it out |
| 00:26.05 | format_c | themill, thanks again. Now sound works again |
| 00:27.16 | themill | format_c: no worries. BTW it was probably just some dumb application hogging the sound card. Running aplay from the terminal would have told you that and then "/msg dpkg list alsa users" would tell you which one(s) were the problem |
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| 00:29.09 | format_c | themill, yes and suddently .asoundrc* exist in my $HOME which also prevented aplay to play sound. |
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| 00:29.35 | format_c | themill, is somewhere a list which keyworkds dpkg knows? |
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| 00:30.07 | newsense | format_c: /msg dpkg help is a good start |
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| 00:30.51 | newsense | maybe not as helpful as i thought nm |
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| 00:31.29 | toolz | he told me a pass! damn nice :D |
| 00:31.50 | newsense | i use dpkg by entering keywords like i would in google i guess |
| 00:32.52 | themill | format_c: /msg dpkg bot help |
| 00:33.22 | format_c | themill, ah nice |
| 00:33.27 | themill | format_c: or actually, /msg dpkg search dpkg |
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| 00:34.42 | format_c | Back to alsa: if I understood correctly I can change the default card to my Headset for example for gaming-purposes at night using the `asoundconf set-default-card <CARD>` command. right? |
| 00:35.21 | format_c | Is there a way to set the default card just for one process like passing a environment variable |
| 00:36.00 | format_c | like: SND_XXXXXX="Headset" ./start-game |
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| 00:40.31 | pl4yer0ne | 'lo all |
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| 00:42.06 | Gnu_Raiz | Well it looks like my hdmi on my 630a 7050 is a no go. |
| 00:42.40 | Gnu_Raiz | can't get sound to pass through hdmi, guess I need another sound card. |
| 00:42.55 | toolz | brb |
| 00:43.04 | format_c | Or is there a way to find out which card is default currently? |
| 00:43.21 | format_c | asoundconf list just lists the available cards |
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| 00:47.21 | Mikaze | Anyone know why the following line would generate a syntax error (unexpected token `<')? |
| 00:47.24 | Mikaze | echo "<H3 ALIGN=CENTER><A HREF=#TOC>Table of Contents</A></H3><BR><BR>" >> "$1 |
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| 00:55.51 | zmjjmz | What kind of minimum requirements are recommended for Sarge? |
| 00:56.15 | zmjjmz | Namely, will it run on a 133MHz Pentium 1, 40MB RAM? |
| 00:56.39 | androide | i guess it wont "run", maybe walk |
| 00:56.49 | zmjjmz | ok. |
| 00:57.05 | zmjjmz | Even with a netinstall? |
| 00:58.09 | stoned | !mmhr |
| 00:58.09 | dpkg | mmhr is, like, Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 00:58.27 | stoned | it applies to sarge too |
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| 00:59.35 | zmjjmz | ok |
| 00:59.47 | zmjjmz | and woody doesn't have the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 01:00.30 | Ward1983 | how can i tell samba to not check for passwords? |
| 01:00.49 | Ward1983 | im using lenny |
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| 01:02.32 | stoned | Ward1983, read about security levels |
| 01:02.52 | Ward1983 | stoned, im at home and i need it once, not more |
| 01:02.52 | stoned | Ward1983, you are probably using user based authentication, change it to share based and keep a passworless share |
| 01:03.01 | Ward1983 | yep thats what i want :) |
| 01:03.10 | stoned | Ward1983, this setting can be changed on smb.conf on the server |
| 01:03.32 | Ward1983 | thanx |
| 01:03.36 | Ward1983 | must have not found it yet |
| 01:03.38 | Ward1983 | was looking in there |
| 01:04.06 | stoned | its in the [GLOBAL] section |
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| 01:04.13 | stoned | security = user |
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| 01:04.22 | stoned | set it to security = share |
| 01:04.50 | stoned | I'm gonna go get a footlong sub |
| 01:04.52 | Ward1983 | thanx |
| 01:05.00 | Ward1983 | footlong sub? |
| 01:05.09 | stoned | a sandwich that is 1 foot long |
| 01:05.32 | Ward1983 | lol it keeps asking for the password |
| 01:05.33 | sajes | stoned: Quiznos or subway? Or homemade? |
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| 01:05.47 | Ward1983 | (yes i restarted samba) |
| 01:05.48 | sajes | realizes he's in the wrong channel. |
| 01:06.02 | stoned | hm |
| 01:06.12 | stoned | Ward1983, do you have a password set? |
| 01:06.17 | Ward1983 | nope |
| 01:06.18 | stoned | on the share? |
| 01:06.47 | stoned | are you in a domain? |
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| 01:06.58 | Ward1983 | nope |
| 01:07.00 | Ward1983 | at home |
| 01:07.05 | Ward1983 | no domain here lol |
| 01:07.39 | stoned | did you change the setting in smb.conf? |
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| 01:08.29 | stoned | well I guess windows doesn't like a shared level auth server |
| 01:08.41 | stoned | change it back to user level security |
| 01:09.02 | stoned | then smbpasswd -a make a username here |
| 01:09.26 | stoned | set a password and then when you go in from windows or even from linux, you can save the password so it doesn't ask |
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| 01:12.05 | stoned | http://oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ch06_03.html |
| 01:13.38 | Ward1983 | stoned, sorry had to go for a moment |
| 01:13.43 | Ward1983 | stoned, yep i changed the setting |
| 01:13.53 | Ward1983 | ok will do |
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| 01:15.44 | Ward1983 | stoned, this is absurd it keeps asking for the password |
| 01:16.17 | Ward1983 | oops never mind |
| 01:16.17 | lilkid | how can i force a reconnect and re-acquire dhcp |
| 01:16.19 | Ward1983 | wrong user :0 |
| 01:16.22 | Ward1983 | :) i mean |
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| 01:27.00 | Ian_Daniher|XO | can those who have a netbook declare their model and their opinion of it? |
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| 01:27.36 | zmjjmz | Ian_Daniher|XO, Dell Mini 9, and it's awesome |
| 01:27.36 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I'm looking to buy a netbook in the near future and debian compatibility is a must |
| 01:27.47 | zmjjmz | I use the preinstalled Ubuntu though |
| 01:27.49 | Ian_Daniher|XO | zmjjmz: how's the screen? |
| 01:27.59 | zmjjmz | small resolution is small |
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| 01:28.04 | zmjjmz | otherwise it's pretty nice |
| 01:28.04 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I'm not so keen on glossy though |
| 01:28.12 | zmjjmz | it's not that glossy |
| 01:28.20 | Ian_Daniher|XO | sunlight readable at all? |
| 01:28.20 | zmjjmz | but it's not matte |
| 01:28.30 | zmjjmz | it's readable |
| 01:28.40 | zmjjmz | better than my MacBook at least |
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| 01:29.06 | Ian_Daniher|XO | cool |
| 01:29.15 | Ian_Daniher|XO | I'll look into it more |
| 01:29.26 | Ian_Daniher|XO | how's build quality? feel pretty solid? |
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| 01:30.33 | zmjjmz | it's not amazing |
| 01:30.37 | zmjjmz | the hinges are kinda creaky |
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| 01:30.51 | zmjjmz | but otherwise it feels pretty solid |
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| 01:31.18 | grendal_prime | hey guys im running vnc on an ubuntu box using noxdamage so that the clients can see my compiz enhancements. but for whatever reason they cannot see the mouse cursor. any advise? |
| 01:31.43 | zmjjmz | Tell them you're using a cool new touchscreen? |
| 01:31.44 | grendal_prime | i mean besides "dont use ubuntu" |
| 01:31.52 | zmjjmz | That doesn't need mice? |
| 01:32.10 | grendal_prime | that is a good idea....unfortunatly they will be in the same room |
| 01:32.12 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 01:32.15 | zmjjmz | oh |
| 01:32.28 | zmjjmz | wait, why use VNC then? |
| 01:32.32 | zmjjmz | projector maybe? |
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| 01:33.14 | grendal_prime | its a pain...diff projectors..diff settings...some blow out the driver on my laptop..some dont...if i just use vnc on the house machine that is already connected to the projector...i can scale it ...and it just works |
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| 01:33.53 | grendal_prime | besides then i can also have offsite people viewing the same thing |
| 01:34.05 | grendal_prime | all from one vncserver. |
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| 01:34.39 | grendal_prime | but this problem with the mouse cursor sort of blows...because they cannot see what im talking about when i point to the illustrations or the virtualmachines or anything for that matter.. |
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| 01:38.52 | Pavlz | hello i got a communication for all: we must invite AMD to realize the small laptop Yukon totally free hardware, free bios and with GNU/linux until windows vista as described on the article of Jan 06 2009 to http://computinsa.co.za/article.aspx?id=913288 |
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| 01:39.51 | lejacques | anyone here have any success setting up and accessing a samba share via windows over the intertubez? |
| 01:40.34 | lejacques | can I use dyndns to setup a name I can access via Windows, like one would do with an ssh server? |
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| 01:42.10 | zmjjmz | grendal_prime, compiz has a highlight mouse function |
| 01:42.13 | zmjjmz | see if that works.. |
| 01:42.29 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 01:43.16 | Pavlz | I am using nokia 770 BusuBox v1.01 (Debian 3:1.01-4.osso10) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 01:43.41 | Pavlz | with a cpu arm |
| 01:44.47 | mythomaniac | i'm having trouble understanding chown syntax; from what i understand it changes the owner, so to change a file's owner, group of root i would do chown <user>:<user> ? |
| 01:45.05 | Pavlz | on my computers there is only GNU/linux |
| 01:46.09 | Pavlz | no microsoft, no thru64, no vms, vsam, mvs, unix, |
| 01:46.12 | mythomaniac | root to user that is |
| 01:46.53 | grendal_prime | i dont see how to enable that in compiz...the manger is mazingly windowsish |
| 01:47.09 | Pavlz | no opensolaris, no bsd, |
| 01:47.09 | zmjjmz | grendal_prime, oy vey now I'm going to have to check |
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| 01:47.49 | zmjjmz | grendal_prime, Accessibility > Show Mouse |
| 01:47.51 | zmjjmz | in 8.10 |
| 01:48.01 | grendal_prime | ya, its not there in this vers |
| 01:48.08 | zmjjmz | o.O |
| 01:48.11 | zmjjmz | odd |
| 01:48.15 | zmjjmz | it's in the stock install |
| 01:49.00 | grendal_prime | ill look again but that was the first place i looked |
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| 01:49.15 | zmjjmz | If not you could always look in the plugin repo |
| 01:49.23 | Gnurdux | Has anyone else had the experience that Iceweasel crashes at weather.com ? |
| 01:49.34 | zmjjmz | ew, weather.com |
| 01:49.41 | zmjjmz | prefers weatherbug |
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| 01:49.48 | grendal_prime | zmjj ya its not there..this machien is running gutsy..for a reason of some sort. |
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| 01:50.00 | zmjjmz | grendal_prime, oh :| |
| 01:50.02 | grendal_prime | 810 breaks the sound card...well makes it difficult to work with |
| 01:50.12 | zmjjmz | and 8.04...? |
| 01:50.14 | grendal_prime | and the vidcam is bitchy as well... |
| 01:50.19 | grendal_prime | same with 804 |
| 01:50.29 | zmjjmz | Gnurdux, weatherbug even has an FF plugin |
| 01:50.32 | grendal_prime | its a dell 1420 with ubuntu preinstall |
| 01:50.37 | zmjjmz | :( |
| 01:50.44 | zmjjmz | no wonder why they dropped it |
| 01:50.48 | zmjjmz | friggin regressions |
| 01:50.50 | Pavlz | i am available to use GNU/linux, GNU/Darwin, GNU/Step, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, why the last license of FreeBSD is compatible with the GNU General Public License at the same time there are GNU/KFreeBSD, GNU/NetBSD |
| 01:51.02 | zmjjmz | ok... |
| 01:51.06 | grendal_prime | well everything works on it with the default install...so i just use that..you mentioned the plugin repos? |
| 01:51.09 | grendal_prime | what are though |
| 01:51.26 | grendal_prime | those that is |
| 01:51.49 | zmjjmz | a git repo |
| 01:51.59 | Gnurdux | zmjjmz, still disturbs me a bit that Iceweasel has bugs firefox doesn't |
| 01:52.11 | zmjjmz | you might have to update compiz though |
| 01:52.12 | Gnurdux | maybe Mozilla is right in not letting Debian patches sully the Firefox name |
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| 01:53.52 | Pavlz | and the GNU/Mach called GNU/HURD, the same microkernel Mach used by apple computer cupertino.inc in combination with BSD to create Mac Os X the kernel Darwin from the Project XNU to identify that is not GNU |
| 01:53.53 | grendal_prime | hey i got it |
| 01:53.57 | grendal_prime | it was a vnc thing |
| 01:54.02 | grendal_prime | -nocursorshape option fixed it |
| 01:54.08 | grendal_prime | thanks for the help man |
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| 01:54.16 | zmjjmz | haha |
| 01:54.17 | zmjjmz | ok |
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| 01:54.42 | zmjjmz | Pavlz, NeXTStep had a part |
| 01:54.59 | zmjjmz | bbl |
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| 01:55.23 | Pavlz | i am writing from August-September |
| 01:55.45 | Pavlz | about os and kernel/microkernel |
| 01:56.20 | Pavlz | and i partecipate to the LinuxDay |
| 01:56.57 | Pavlz | 25 October 2008 in Grosseto [Tuscany] Italy |
| 01:57.37 | Pavlz | to the GROLUG http://grolug.org |
| 01:58.13 | Pavlz | NextStep is a derivate of microkernel Mach |
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| 01:58.24 | Pavlz | plus BSD |
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| 01:59.14 | Pavlz | a language OO using Objective Oriented Coompiler |
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| 02:00.06 | Pavlz | and they sell the same technology to sun microsystems calling it openstep |
| 02:00.54 | Pavlz | now fsf.org is searching develpers for GNU/Step |
| 02:00.54 | scsinutz | hello, im new to debian. How can I run a shell script automatically after the system has booted up? |
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| 02:01.44 | jtaji | scsinutz: call it from /etc/rc.local |
| 02:02.07 | Pavlz | you can read the news on the top of homepage on http://gnu.org |
| 02:02.52 | scsinutz | jtaji: Thanks... I'll give it a try |
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| 02:05.17 | kinji | So I have problems with my usb headset and the volume control on it along with other things. |
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| 02:06.45 | Pavlz | zmjjmz i hope to have helped you giving these information but about Mach, BSD, Nextstep, Openstep there is much to say, for example people don't know that Mach were a new fork of BSD. |
| 02:09.32 | Pavlz | you can scruting the archives of cmu.edu utah.edu berkeley.edu rochester.edu |
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| 02:10.13 | Pavlz | for more information |
| 02:10.13 | scientes | if i partition before hand can i install to ext4? |
| 02:10.18 | Pavlz | good night |
| 02:10.21 | scientes | not for /boot of course |
| 02:11.18 | Pavlz | i go to sleep, but i rest joined |
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| 02:11.47 | Pavlz | have a good job |
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| 02:13.20 | Pavlz | have you seen the deblet distritution ? Is GNU/linux Deb-Ian for Nokia 770, Nokia 800, Nokia 810 |
| 02:15.20 | zmjjmz | no... |
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| 02:17.42 | scientes | if i format partitions to ext4 can the debian instaler install to them? |
| 02:18.36 | zmjjmz | with the new kernel, yes |
| 02:18.51 | scientes | the weekly build? |
| 02:19.47 | zmjjmz | I s'pose |
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| 02:23.52 | scientes | no netinst for the weekly builds |
| 02:24.37 | scientes | oh ok i found it |
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| 02:27.17 | scsinutz | jtaji: That worked. thanks again. That was too easy :P |
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| 02:49.41 | Gigantic | is there some way to see the log of a process? |
| 02:50.11 | Gigantic | I man the load log... like top but for just that app |
| 02:50.21 | Gigantic | load no log :p |
| 02:50.45 | JoaoCarneiro | saudações |
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| 02:52.11 | zmjjmz | ps ? |
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| 02:57.28 | rafuch0 | . |
| 02:58.41 | zmjjmz | >.>? |
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| 03:01.13 | JoaoCarneiro | anyone alive? |
| 03:02.45 | batman_ramirez | barely |
| 03:02.50 | zmjjmz | kindasorta |
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| 03:06.31 | JoaoCarneiro | any idea on how to change all menus from su-to-root to the sudo equivalent in gnome? |
| 03:07.06 | JoaoCarneiro | i have updated alternatives |
| 03:07.29 | JoaoCarneiro | but i do not know from where do they get (re)generated |
| 03:07.44 | JoaoCarneiro | the menu items |
| 03:08.50 | zmjjmz | probably the gnome source... |
| 03:09.12 | zmjjmz | but I guess it looks in $PATH and then finds metadata through dpkg or something |
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| 03:14.13 | maher | ok - how do i stop the flash plugin talking to the sound card? |
| 03:15.58 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:15.58 | dpkg | pong |
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| 03:21.27 | Gigantic | No, I need to know what's the load of an app all the time |
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| 03:21.39 | Gigantic | like, when it has a bigger load and such |
| 03:22.04 | Gigantic | something like ping actually... |
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| 03:29.01 | zmjjmz | top | grep app? |
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| 03:33.44 | simonrvn | uptime; you don't get "the load" of an app, you do of the system.... |
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| 03:41.32 | Ward1983 | what do you use to convert videos? |
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| 03:42.16 | apostle | downloaded source for totem using......apt-cache source totem........Where did the source get downloaded to? |
| 03:43.58 | newsense | apostle: probobly in the working directory or /usr/src |
| 03:44.35 | newsense | apostle: you mean apt-get right ? |
| 03:44.40 | apostle | newsense, I checked not there |
| 03:44.41 | simonrvn | apostle: . |
| 03:44.48 | apostle | apt-get source totem |
| 03:45.11 | simonrvn | apostle: . AKA CWD |
| 03:45.21 | apostle | simonrvn, thanks found it |
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| 03:48.00 | batman_ramirez | does anyone knows a way to change formats betweeen rmvb to avi |
| 03:48.12 | zmjjmz | Konverter might to it |
| 03:48.26 | zmjjmz | mplayer works, but I could never figure out the syntax :| |
| 03:48.38 | batman_ramirez | yes |
| 03:48.56 | batman_ramirez | theres a lot of syntax |
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| 03:50.35 | hiwk | I got the strangest error on my server running debian testing. I did a aptitude safe-upgrade about a day ago, and now my connections to that machines hangs on when I try to transfer any significant amount of data |
| 03:50.52 | hiwk | I can ssh to it, and do ls on small folders (containg few files) |
| 03:51.10 | hiwk | but I can not do ls in catalogs with many files |
| 03:51.23 | hiwk | but I can do ls|ess regardless of number of files |
| 03:51.26 | hiwk | |less |
| 03:52.08 | hiwk | any idea where to start? when I try to google, I get various people often ending up blaming network hardware somewhere |
| 03:52.34 | hiwk | please note that I lack physical access to this machine |
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| 04:01.59 | maher | hiwk: coudl be netwrok issues - i once had similar problems and it eventually turned out some other machine had been given the same ip address... |
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| 04:04.12 | pl4yer0ne | hiwk: sounds like a problem with packet size or something like that |
| 04:04.42 | pl4yer0ne | try sending pings of increasing size until it fails to ack |
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| 04:05.55 | hiwk | maher: this machine is behinde a NAT firewall, is that relevant? |
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| 04:07.12 | hiwk | pl4yer0ne: I will try that, when I have figured out how |
| 04:08.01 | pl4yer0ne | what OS are you using now when your trying to connect? |
| 04:08.53 | hiwk | pl4yer0ne: I currently have only that computer behind that fw, and I don't forward pings |
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| 04:08.56 | hiwk | debian |
| 04:09.24 | pl4yer0ne | ahh that is a problem then |
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| 04:10.07 | pl4yer0ne | its a pain to trouble shoot network issues if you dont forward pings etc |
| 04:10.45 | pl4yer0ne | you could try clamping your max packet size locally to try and keep them small |
| 04:11.07 | \amethyst | hiwk: blocking ICMP breaks path MTU discovery |
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| 04:11.44 | mentor | Pretending you're not there makes the crackers go away |
| 04:11.48 | mentor | nods |
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| 04:12.27 | hiwk | hm, downloading things from kernel.org works |
| 04:13.16 | \amethyst | hiwk: so you might try what pl4yer0ne said ( ifconfig eth0 mtu 1000 or something like that, trying smaller numbers until it works) |
| 04:13.40 | pl4yer0ne | mentor: pretending your not there != security |
| 04:13.50 | hiwk | it works to download stuff from kernel.org to the machine |
| 04:14.19 | nsadmin | mmm crackers |
| 04:14.22 | pl4yer0ne | hiwk: it could be an issue at your local end |
| 04:15.19 | hiwk | pl4yer0ne: I've tried otherssh:ing via other machines |
| 04:16.20 | pl4yer0ne | could be somewhere on the path to your server, that isnt on the path from the server to kernel.org |
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| 04:17.30 | pl4yer0ne | what happens if you ping yourself -from- the server |
| 04:17.41 | pl4yer0ne | and allow any pings etc locally |
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| 04:20.15 | hiwk | \amethyst: that worked |
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| 04:20.51 | PMT | world, I'm trying to set up an SMB server, and I can't seem to change my smbpasswd as nonroot. |
| 04:20.56 | PMT | I don't understand why this is. |
| 04:22.22 | \amethyst | hiwk: perhaps you should tweak your firewall so that only incoming pings, and not all ICMP packets, are filtered |
| 04:22.57 | pl4yer0ne | hiwk: or allow everything from your home/work IP address so you have full access |
| 04:23.12 | hiwk | yes, I will look in to that |
| 04:23.22 | hiwk | but it i a retarded firewall from US Robotics |
| 04:23.30 | \amethyst | hiwk: I believe the packet in question is 'destination unreachable" with a code of 4 |
| 04:23.58 | Skapare | I want to use a proxy server with debootstrap ... I assume all I need to do is set the environment variables to make wget use a proxy ... anyone know what those environment variable names are? |
| 04:24.05 | hiwk | where do I check current MTU setting? |
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| 04:24.12 | \amethyst | hiwk: ifconfig |
| 04:24.14 | hiwk | apperently it guessed the wrong size |
| 04:24.19 | \amethyst | hiwk: default is probably 1500 |
| 04:24.31 | \amethyst | hiwk: the issue is that someone between here and there has a lower MTU |
| 04:24.43 | \amethyst | hiwk: and ssh is requesting that its packets not be fragmented |
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| 04:25.12 | \amethyst | hiwk: normally the router just before the low-MTU hop would send you an ICMP packet saying "I can't send this because I'd have to fragment it" |
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| 04:25.45 | \amethyst | hiwk: but that packet is getting blocked, your computer never sees it, and ssh keeps trying to send out packets that are too big and unfragmentable |
| 04:26.44 | hiwk | \amethyst: ah, ok |
| 04:26.52 | hiwk | thank you very much |
| 04:27.05 | hiwk | I'd been googling for hours |
| 04:28.21 | Skapare | if some IP tunnel is being used somewhere, that could do it |
| 04:28.43 | Skapare | and some older switches that did VLAN fabrics limited the MTU |
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| 04:29.56 | Skapare | in one rare case I found a PMTUD problem because someone was using a token ring interface which had a larger MTU |
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| 04:30.14 | squisher | hey guys, I just found out that apparently my ssh login delay to my server is caused by some avahi/mdns lookups |
| 04:30.33 | squisher | I couldn't find any bugs about that for the avahi package, does anyone know another place where I can look for it? |
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| 04:30.56 | Skapare | squisher: do you really need to have your sshd lookup reverse DNS? |
| 04:31.26 | squisher | Skapare, no, I didn't do any special config to that effect. And the query comes from the client |
| 04:31.41 | squisher | Skapare, actually, scrap that, it's the server |
| 04:31.45 | squisher | I guess I should disable that, thanks |
| 04:31.50 | stew | squisher: you can try disabling mdns in /etc/nsswitch.conf if you are sure it is mdns, or you can set "UseDNS no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 04:32.14 | squisher | stew, it is mdns for sure, wireshark shows a clear picture. |
| 04:32.43 | stew | squisher: you could try removing libnss-mdns |
| 04:33.02 | psychonate | I'm trying to share my printer with samba, but I've come into a problem. In the [printers] section, I set "browseable = yes," but still 'testparm' shows "browseable = no." What could cause this? |
| 04:33.30 | squisher | stew, I'm sure that'd solve the problem, though that's not really a solution I like. Why doesn't mdns resolve the reverse lookup anyways? |
| 04:33.47 | hiwk | Skapare, \amethyst: if you want to know, 1496 was the maximum that worked |
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| 04:34.14 | squisher | Skapare, are you aware of security implications if I set "HostbasedUsesNameFromPacketOnly yes" ? |
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| 04:34.28 | Skapare | squisher: I disabled rdns lookup on my server sshd, as well as at home ... but require certificates |
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| 04:36.06 | squisher | Skapare, what's the option to do that? What I just quoted seems to only apply to host based authentication, which I don't think I use (I use client based public keys) |
| 04:36.18 | Skapare | squisher: and I don't even use .shosts or .rhosts |
| 04:36.32 | squisher | right, me neither |
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| 04:37.20 | squisher | ah, stew gave me the correct option already, sorry Skapare |
| 04:37.59 | squisher | hm, not essential but I'd prefer to actually have reverse lookups. Does anyone know how I can get avahi to actually do that? |
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| 04:38.00 | Skapare | squisher: I use key based login even within my own behind-the-firewall-on-private-IP LAN |
| 04:38.33 | squisher | Skapare, same here :-) For the internel network I don't want DNS lookups, but for external it's good to have |
| 04:38.42 | Skapare | squisher: I have not worked with avahi, so eee of stew knows, or someone else |
| 04:38.48 | Skapare | eee=see |
| 04:39.38 | squisher | so my client is running the avahi daemon, and there's no firewall to prevent access |
| 04:39.48 | squisher | but the mdns query is to this weird 224.0.0.251 ip |
| 04:39.57 | squisher | and highlighted in red by wireshark, whatever that means ;-) |
| 04:39.59 | Skapare | rDNS lookups can be faked, so I see no value in it ... the IP is logged for post-mortem if I ever need that (and I fetch logs from server every 3 hours) |
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| 04:41.15 | Skapare | but another option is to put the IPs you need to do rdns on in /etc/hosts ... I think the resolver will look there, too |
| 04:41.50 | squisher | Skapare, right, I know how to work around it, I'm more a bit curious why it doesn't work in the first place |
| 04:43.21 | squisher | Skapare, stew, thanks for the help I think I'll just disable the dns lookups for now - don't really have time to investigate furthur |
| 04:45.23 | Skapare | DNS lookups fail for many reasons ... and when they succeed, the resolver or a pedantic app (which sshd is) might refuse what it gets from DNS |
| 04:45.53 | Skapare | if you can tell me the IP address, I can do a DNS lookup to see if I detect any issues obvious to me |
| 04:46.12 | PMT | World, smbpasswd as nonroot fails to allow me to change an extant smb password. How can I fix this? |
| 04:46.29 | squisher | Skapare, nah, this is from the local network only - avahi only works in local networks |
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| 04:46.33 | squisher | but thanks for the offor! |
| 04:46.43 | squisher | s/offor/offer |
| 04:47.41 | Skapare | you have to make your DNS servers authoritative for private IP reverse DNS to make lookups work right on a local LAN |
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| 04:48.11 | squisher | Skapare, my dns should be setup that way. But mdns has a higher priority in nsswitch than dns |
| 04:48.14 | Skapare | if the lookup of a private IP goes out on "the net" it will fail |
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| 04:48.52 | Skapare | and /etc/hosts should still be an option to lookup ... it should be first in nsswitch |
| 04:49.10 | squisher | right, but I do have my dns server setup, so I don't enter anything into /etc/hosts |
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| 04:49.58 | Skapare | then debugging that will take closer inspection when you have the time for it |
| 04:50.17 | squisher | right, not today though :-( [I wish I had time for it...] |
| 04:50.24 | Skapare | I know the feeling |
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| 04:53.34 | squisher | Skapare, if you're curious, ubuntu seems to have a bug about exactly what I'm experiencing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940 |
| 04:54.50 | Skapare | not really interested in avahi right now ... that may come later |
| 04:55.15 | Skapare | is trying to get some 64-bit systems set up with multiple distros |
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| 04:55.51 | Skapare | and I'm trying to figure out how to make deboostrap use a proxy server |
| 04:56.03 | Skapare | debootstrap |
| 04:57.16 | morfol | i want to mount an usb disk to a special mount point once attached, where do i look? |
| 04:58.57 | sajes | morfol: fstab firstly. I'm not entirely sure how to do the whole automount thing though. |
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| 05:00.51 | morfol | yeah fstab is clear |
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| 05:02.44 | \amethyst | morfol: do you use GNOME? |
| 05:02.49 | morfol | yes |
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| 05:03.40 | \amethyst | run gnome-volume-properties and select "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged" and "Mount removable media when inserted" |
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| 05:04.34 | \amethyst | morfol: and add yourself to the plugdev group; you'll have to log out and log back in for the group membership changes to take effect |
| 05:05.47 | morfol | okay, but i want devices to automount, just define a different mountpoint |
| 05:06.55 | \amethyst | I believe that, if the device is listed in fstab with the 'user' option, gnome will use the listed mountpoint rather than creating a new one |
| 05:07.13 | squisher | morfol, as far as I recall, that does work with a mountpoint in fstab, just like \amethyst says |
| 05:07.38 | \amethyst | morfol: you can add yourself to the group with adduser morfol plugdev or System -> Administration -> Users and Groups; select yourself, click Properties, User Privileges tab, "Access external storage devices automatically" |
| 05:08.12 | \amethyst | morfol: I'm not sure whether you need to be in plugdev to automount things that are in fstab with the 'user' option |
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| 05:08.24 | \amethyst | you do to automount things that aren't in fstab |
| 05:08.50 | morfol | okay thanks, got stuff i can look at |
| 05:09.01 | morfol | fstab and plugdev ty |
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| 05:14.23 | Skapare | anyone know how to get debootstrap to use a socks proxy? |
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| 05:16.35 | squisher | Skapare, it is just a shell script... |
| 05:18.04 | squisher | I bet you it uses just apt-get or wget, so check how those handle proxies |
| 05:18.06 | \amethyst | Skapare: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508295 might be relevant |
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| 05:19.14 | ice_cream | hi, i was curious if anyone experienced little bracketed {a} characters next to dependencies after a command such as "aptitude install foo" |
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| 05:20.29 | Skapare | docs say deboostrap uses wget but wget docs are very poor |
| 05:20.49 | ice_cream | i feel like it's an attempt at color or something of that nature |
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| 05:21.47 | \amethyst | ice_cream: '{a}' is automatically installed or removed, '{u}' is removed because it is unused |
| 05:21.54 | Skapare | might be some kind of UTF/ISO character mapping issue, too |
| 05:22.17 | \amethyst | ice_cream: that isn't mentioned anywhere in the manual that I can see, but it's in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/NEWS |
| 05:22.19 | Skapare | what color does it appear in? |
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| 05:24.00 | Skapare | amethyst: that bug report is about the issue of lib based redirectors not working with su root |
| 05:24.17 | ice_cream | hmm |
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| 05:24.37 | Ancho | Skapare: you must set the environment variable 'http_proxy' to use proxy with wget |
| 05:24.38 | ice_cream | suppose i dislike the whole {} thing |
| 05:24.47 | Skapare | which they should not ... LD_PRELOAD won't work ... which means lib based redirectors have to be loaded from inside debootstrap to use them |
| 05:24.49 | Benzi | how's lenny doing these days? when do they think it'll be finished? |
| 05:25.04 | Skapare | Ancho: that uses HTTP proxy protocol ... I need SOCKS |
| 05:25.17 | Ancho | oh... |
| 05:25.19 | Ancho | ok |
| 05:25.23 | ice_cream | \amethyst, but thx for pointing it out |
| 05:25.56 | Skapare | Ancho: since debootstrap uses root, it becomes problematic to use proxy redirectors |
| 05:26.35 | Skapare | but I did find a project called ksb ... a kernel module based redirector |
| 05:26.50 | Skapare | that might be able to do it |
| 05:27.21 | Skapare | will have to recompile his kernel with modules enabled (currently using monolithic) |
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| 05:42.08 | khaije1 | is there a place i should go to see the versions of the core packages for the different releases? |
| 05:42.22 | khaije1 | i'm trying to decide which to use between them |
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| 05:43.04 | khaije1 | i'm thinking i'll probably build my own kernel, but am worried about outdated userspace? |
| 05:43.07 | owen1 | i try to mount an empty cd with 'mount /dev/cdrom' but get mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 05:43.22 | nodie | hi |
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| 05:43.34 | nodie | I've a big problem with a server |
| 05:43.36 | mnguyen | Is there any application that I can use to burn an ISO image from the terminal? |
| 05:43.50 | newsense | cdrecord |
| 05:43.55 | newsense | or dd |
| 05:44.02 | newsense | id use dd |
| 05:44.12 | nodie | I deleted /etc and I tried to use ubuntu's /etc to repair it |
| 05:44.16 | owen1 | mnguyen: burn |
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| 05:44.25 | nodie | but ubuntu /etc is diferent |
| 05:44.40 | owen1 | mnguyen: i am trying it now. should be easy. |
| 05:44.45 | krux0 | nodie, that is hilarious |
| 05:44.57 | nodie | krux0: yeah! |
| 05:45.05 | newsense | nodie: reinstall |
| 05:45.12 | nodie | not an option |
| 05:45.20 | newsense | nodie: good luck ? |
| 05:45.30 | nodie | I've repaired more or less /etc |
| 05:45.36 | nodie | and it boots |
| 05:45.39 | nodie | until.... |
| 05:45.48 | newsense | we need not hear the rest |
| 05:46.03 | maher | nodie: /etc is where all the configuration information is - its often different for each machine, let alone across disrtos |
| 05:46.34 | nodie | http://paste.debian.net/27083/ |
| 05:46.38 | newsense | nodie: if you created a frankenbuntu you should be able to fix it |
| 05:46.40 | maher | nodie: /etc is why people make backups... |
| 05:46.40 | nodie | I know I know maher |
| 05:47.08 | nodie | I've years of experience with unix systems |
| 05:47.19 | newsense | nodie: ok great fix it |
| 05:47.21 | nodie | but linux has been out of my radar for 5 years |
| 05:47.48 | owen1 | i try to mount an empty cd with 'mount /dev/cdrom' but get mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only. any ideas? |
| 05:47.56 | nodie | and I don't know how works the ataraids with linux ... nor debian |
| 05:47.58 | newsense | nodie: if you would have came here first and asked if it was a good idea you would have got help, that help being the answer no |
| 05:48.03 | maher | owen1: that means it worked |
| 05:48.20 | squisher | owen1, that's a normal message - of course you can't write to a CD like to a normal writable media |
| 05:48.23 | nodie | fine newsense |
| 05:48.44 | nodie | I just want to know if the fstab that I've created does have some problem or not |
| 05:48.57 | owen1 | maher: squisher : but later i get this: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, |
| 05:49.07 | maher | owen1: try using a k3b (or some other program) to write to the cd |
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| 05:49.12 | nodie | because the problem loading is related to partition mounting |
| 05:49.26 | maher | nodie: its not finding /var |
| 05:49.43 | owen1 | maher: so if i want to burn data into a cd i don't need to mount it? |
| 05:49.45 | squisher | owen1, then it's not working ;-) You sure there is a data filesystem on the CD? |
| 05:49.58 | owen1 | squisher: it's empty cd, |
| 05:50.09 | nodie | my fstab is: http://paste.debian.net/27084/ |
| 05:50.13 | squisher | owen1, no, and (shameless plug) use xfburn (or k3b like maher suggested) |
| 05:50.16 | maher | nodie: i think your raid setup is off as well |
| 05:50.28 | nodie | maher: that's the point |
| 05:50.42 | nodie | this is all happening in a remote server |
| 05:50.49 | nodie | I've serial connection to it |
| 05:50.52 | newsense | yeah i wouldnt touch that problem with a ten foot pole |
| 05:50.56 | owen1 | squisher: i can only use console based apps..like burn. |
| 05:51.04 | nodie | so I can boot the system with a rescue memory image |
| 05:51.25 | maher | nodie: you really need to boot to something that will let you examine the partitions so you can try and work out what the raid setup was |
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| 05:51.42 | biv | hi, does anyone know of an unofficial repository with a working version of iceweasel/firefox? |
| 05:52.04 | nodie | I don't know if I understand the sequence. The box has an ataraid, so sda1 and sdb1 becomes md1 |
| 05:52.16 | maher | biv: are you on stable/etch? |
| 05:52.22 | biv | maher: yes |
| 05:52.27 | squisher | owen1, ok, then use cdrskin / wodim and the likes |
| 05:52.35 | nodie | I've put md1 in the fstab but it does not works because... raid has not initialized? |
| 05:52.39 | biv | trying to make iceweasel/firefox-bin run in a headless mode |
| 05:52.43 | biv | but it's just all kinds of pain |
| 05:52.52 | nodie | maher: I've dont that |
| 05:52.55 | nodie | maher: I've done that |
| 05:52.55 | maher | biv: what's wrong with the version of firefox/iceweasel in stable? |
| 05:52.56 | biv | so I'm hoping there's an unofficial build somewhere for it which will work |
| 05:53.09 | nodie | I've access to the machine through a debian rescue image |
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| 05:53.12 | maher | nodie: you know much more about this box than I do... |
| 05:53.25 | biv | maher: at least two problems (running headlessly) - it was missing a js lib, which I hunted down and installed |
| 05:53.32 | nodie | yes but you know much more about debian than I do... :) |
| 05:53.50 | nodie | I just need to know what is the order in the booting |
| 05:53.50 | owen1 | squisher: ok. i'll try cdrskin |
| 05:54.06 | biv | now it crashes because it can't find a font package - libxpcom.so - which is actually sitting in its directory |
| 05:54.11 | biv | I can |
| 05:54.17 | biv | 't find anything on the web which solves this problem |
| 05:54.20 | nodie | does the raid controller need to be initialized or something before trying to mount the partitions? |
| 05:54.30 | squisher | owen1, there might be a more comfortable cli program out there, check libburnia-project.org/ |
| 05:54.33 | biv | so I assume someone has done something clever before me to make things work |
| 05:54.50 | owen1 | squisher: burn looks easy. but it's not working for me. |
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| 05:56.26 | maher | biv: go to the packages section of debian.org - you can search for all packages containing that file |
| 05:56.49 | squisher | owen1, most apps are based on wodim - so if you're having trouble, it's well worth checking out libburn based ones - they are using a different library |
| 05:57.00 | maher | biv: it should be installed with iceweasel |
| 05:57.15 | khaije1 | any estimates on when lenny will hit stable? |
| 05:57.28 | maher | khaije1: probably another month or so |
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| 05:58.29 | khaije1 | ok so if i build a server on lenny, when it hits stable will i need to change anything? |
| 05:58.31 | jessie | Hello all. I was wondering if there's a good SOCKS5 server in Lenny? |
| 05:58.37 | maher | khaije1: no |
| 05:58.38 | jessie | khaije1: No |
| 05:59.23 | khaije1 | so is there any reason to build a new server that will be used for a year or so on stable at this point? |
| 05:59.46 | jessie | khaije1: Not perticularly, unless you want it to be uber stable |
| 05:59.51 | maher | khaije1: not really - lemmy is still having new packages put in though... |
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| 06:00.07 | khaije1 | ok cool, just wanna make sure i'm understanding properly, thanks all |
| 06:00.28 | jessie | So anybody know if there's a decent SOCKS server for Lenny? |
| 06:01.18 | owen1 | squisher: cdrskin: FATAL : No suitable media detected |
| 06:02.07 | squisher | owen1, there might be a more fundamental problem then. Are you trying to use a CD or a DVD? |
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| 06:02.41 | owen1 | squisher: i want to burn an avi file to CD. |
| 06:02.57 | owen1 | squisher: cdrskin myfile.avi |
| 06:04.15 | khaije1 | so are there iso's for testing or is it just supposed to be bumped up from stable? |
| 06:04.51 | squisher | owen1, I believe that's the right syntax, what does 'cdrskin -atip' say about media status? |
| 06:05.09 | squisher | mine says 'cdrskin: status 1 burn_disc_blank "The drive holds a blank disc"' |
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| 06:05.31 | owen1 | squisher: cdrskin: status 6 BURN_DISC_UNSUITABLE "Media is not suitable" |
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| 06:06.02 | squisher | owen1, either your drive is a bit faulty, or your media is... try a different disc maybe? |
| 06:06.26 | owen1 | squisher: ok. i don't need to monut the CD, correct? |
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| 06:06.56 | squisher | owen1, it's not mounted, remember? So no :) |
| 06:07.00 | Chief_Inspector | hi |
| 06:07.01 | Chief_Inspector | How do I make a permanent alias, as I wish to alise 0trace.sh to 0trace, for all users (including the LiveCD user).Forever! (or until an unalias is run) How do I do this? |
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| 06:07.51 | icenine | uh |
| 06:07.59 | squisher | owen1, oh, I thought you asked about unmounting... no, it should not be mounted. If it is mounted, it has data on it, in which case you should unmount it first and blank it if it is rewriteable |
| 06:08.03 | squisher | otherwise use a different disc |
| 06:08.12 | icenine | i rm -rf'd /etc/apache2 and purged apache2, now after reinstalling there are still no config files. wtf? |
| 06:08.26 | \amethyst | Chief_Inspector: set the alias in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 06:08.33 | owen1 | squisher: ok. it's empty, so no need to mount. |
| 06:09.16 | \amethyst | icenine: the config files are in the -common package |
| 06:09.23 | icenine | \amethyst, thanks a lot |
| 06:09.26 | squisher | owen1, something is off that doesn't allow you to burn. I.e. trying to burn to a CD-RW in a very old drive which doesn't support it, or some similar situation. Or just some hardware failure |
| 06:09.29 | \amethyst | icenine: you can purge/reinstall it, or install it with confmiss |
| 06:09.34 | jessie | are you root? |
| 06:09.37 | \amethyst | !tell icenine about confmiss |
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| 06:09.48 | jessie | owen1: if you're not root, maybe try running it as root |
| 06:10.19 | owen1 | jessie: ok |
| 06:10.19 | \amethyst | icenine: (that lets you do it without uninstalling the package first) |
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| 06:10.30 | icenine | \amethyst, thanks a bunch |
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| 06:10.49 | squisher | owen1, no, not likely to be the cause... not for cdrskin anyways - you'd get different errors |
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| 06:11.03 | jessie | \amethyst: Do you know of a socks server for lenny? |
| 06:11.18 | owen1 | squisher: i try another CD and get: cdrskin: FATAL : SCSI error on write(-150,16): key=5 asc=2Ch ascq=00h |
| 06:12.08 | squisher | owen1, ah, I can never figure quite out what these errors really mean :-\ Check in #libburn, or ask in one of the mailing lists on libburnia-project.org |
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| 06:12.47 | owen1 | squisher: btw, atip shows: cdrskin: status 1 burn_disc_blank "The drive holds a blank disc" |
| 06:12.57 | bantu | Ok. I have a stupid question, I wanna run some commands and script at start up, I tried using init.local |
| 06:13.04 | bantu | Or whats its name? |
| 06:13.07 | \amethyst | jessie: aptitude search ~dSOCKS~dserver shows at least socks4-server, dante-server, and hpsockd |
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| 06:13.16 | bantu | But it still don't work |
| 06:13.21 | squisher | owen1, that looks much better now. But I'm not sure about the SCSI error, sorry. |
| 06:13.34 | \amethyst | jessie: also, ssh -D |
| 06:13.37 | squisher | owen1, I need to take off, hope you figure it out, or use the resources I told you about |
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| 06:13.43 | owen1 | squisher: sure. thanks |
| 06:14.50 | jessie | \amethyst: So say I have my laptop outside and SSH open to my home box. I SSH into it with the -D command. All is good? |
| 06:15.18 | khaije1 | are there lenny iso's ? |
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| 06:16.53 | dmoerner | jessie: yes you should be tunneling securely, if that is what you are asking about |
| 06:18.55 | jessie | dmoerner: Yes, well i've been using ssh to get around a filter at school, and I need AIM for my job (I do IT). So this would work for that, correct? |
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| 06:21.14 | Chief_Inspector | How do I make a permanent alias, as I wish to alise 0trace.sh to 0trace, for all users (including the LiveCD user).Forever! (or until an unalias is run) How do I do this? |
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| 06:24.32 | nsadmin | Chief_Inspector: either look at the bash info (preferred) or man page under aliases, or man ln |
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| 06:35.38 | bullgard4 | 'ip a' lists for ath0 the property 'link/ether' and for wifi0 the property 'link/ieee802.11'. Where are these properties described, what do they mean? |
| 06:36.26 | jessie | bullgard4: what is the property set as? |
| 06:37.36 | bullgard4 | jessie: Can you rephrase your question into Standard English. I do not know the phrase "to be set as". |
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| 06:39.24 | jessie | lol. bullgard4, nevermind. the link/ether, etc is your Mac address |
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| 06:54.41 | mnguyen | I just installed Debian etch, and I've installed gcc-4.1. I'm trying to compile a kernel module, but I can't do a "make install" |
| 06:54.43 | mnguyen | anybody know why? |
| 06:55.26 | jessie | don't have the necassary module headers? |
| 06:55.37 | mnguyen | jessie: make is an unknown command |
| 06:55.55 | jessie | apt-get install build-essential |
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| 06:56.01 | mnguyen | jessie: thanks |
| 06:56.03 | jessie | that'll take care of it, probabaly |
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| 06:57.32 | thasp | When I install debian now, the ath5k driver is broken, but if I compile a new 2.6.28 kernel the ath5k driver works |
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| 06:57.54 | thasp | I can't compile madwifi drivers and blacklist the old ones without compiling a new kernel because it says wireless-extensions wasn't compiled into the kernel. |
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| 06:59.40 | thasp | The Atheros 5005G card isn't even on the ath5k page under supported devices, which explains to me why ath5k in the older kernel doesn't work with my device, while it works in the new kernel. What confuses me is why every version of debian I grab that has ath5k compiled into its kernel doesn't have a setup where I can install a working driver(madwifi) without compiling a new kernel. :[ |
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| 07:00.05 | hark | thasp: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 07:01.19 | thasp | hark, I saw what dpkg said. I am familiar with that install procedure. |
| 07:01.37 | thasp | it's using that procedure that I receive the error, though. |
| 07:01.38 | phyburn | i setup a PPTP VPN server on my debian box, users can connect fine and interact with other computers within the VPN but how do I give access to the internet? |
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| 07:04.20 | sparr | Is there a way to 'sniff' data going in/out over the serial port? |
| 07:04.34 | mnguyen | okay so i just (1) compiled a new NIC module for e1000 (2) did a modprobe e1000 (3) did an ifconfig; but didn't see my adapter. |
| 07:04.38 | mnguyen | an i missing a step? |
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| 07:05.55 | hark | mnguyen: ifconfig -a? |
| 07:06.14 | mnguyen | hark: nope. I just see the loopback |
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| 07:06.39 | hark | mnguyen: dmesg say anything? |
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| 07:07.24 | hark | thasp: if you want to install madwifi, that's the way or are you asking something else? |
| 07:07.38 | hark | ath5k requires a newer kernel afaik |
| 07:09.18 | mnguyen | hark: no it looks like it loaded okay according to dmesg |
| 07:11.09 | hark | mnguyen: what does lspci -n | grep 0200 say? |
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| 07:12.32 | mnguyen | hark: 00:19.0 0200: 8086:10c0 (rev 02) |
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| 07:13.31 | mnguyen | hark: do i need to configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:13.31 | mnguyen | ? |
| 07:13.50 | thasp | hark , ath5k works with 2.6.28, so there is no need for madwifi. However, on 2.6.24, ath5k is broken with my card. on 2.6.24, installing madwifi the debian way gets me the following error http://tweakmy.net/demos/madwifi/madfail.PNG |
| 07:14.16 | hark | mnguyen: it should show up first at least :) |
| 07:14.38 | hark | mnguyen: try modprobe e1000e |
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| 07:15.06 | thasp | I would be more than happy to stick with the 2.6.24 kernel, since this is a P3 450 MHz machine. It takes 4-9 hours to compile a kernel. :[ However the above error seems like it'd only be fixed by recompiling the kernel with wireless-extensions enabled |
| 07:15.23 | mnguyen | hark: ifconfig -a still only shows my loopback |
| 07:15.35 | mnguyen | hark: nevermind it's up now |
| 07:16.24 | thasp | I wanted to know if I could fix that error without recompiling the kernel. And if it did require recompiling the kernel, I am curious why the most recent netinstall CD includes a kernel with wireless extensions disabled and broken wifi drivers. |
| 07:16.28 | mnguyen | hark: euur it shows up using ifconfig -a. how do i bring the interface up? |
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| 07:17.02 | craigevil-eee | madwifi works just fine with the normal debian kernel |
| 07:17.37 | thasp | and yet following dpkg's instructions on a fresh debian install I get http://tweakmy.net/demos/madwifi/madfail.PNG |
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| 07:18.07 | thasp | madwifi worked fine on a debian livecd I grabbed in november, which further confuses me. it's only recent livecds that give me that error. |
| 07:18.36 | _gm | does whereis command scans $PATH each time, or it searched from some kind of DB? |
| 07:18.44 | _gm | searches* |
| 07:19.06 | mnguyen | hark: euur nm. I got an error message "eth0: host name lookup failure" |
| 07:19.40 | hark | thasp: yeah, it seems to be broken in etchnhalf |
| 07:20.03 | thasp | I wanted to make sure this was a problem on my end before I claim etchnhalf has anything wrong with it |
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| 07:20.12 | hark | !dbugs 491601 |
| 07:20.15 | dpkg | #491601:N[madwifi-source] madwifi-source fails to build against 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 (); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:48:31 UTC [] |
| 07:21.05 | thasp | compiling a kernel on a p3 for new ath5k isn't fun :( |
| 07:21.08 | hark | ^ read the bug report and see if maybe there is a solution in there somewhere .. it's been open for quite some time now |
| 07:21.31 | craigevil-eee | why use etch? why not use lenny |
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| 07:25.20 | mnguyen | hark: got it working, thanks for all your help |
| 07:25.26 | haopwa | strange. cannot delete files in trash. system complain that the files in trashcan has a prefix of '0-'. but it does not appear in the dir listing. help. |
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| 07:27.51 | hark | haopwa: checked in ~/.local/share/Trash/files or ~/.Trash*? |
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| 07:28.54 | diazepam | hey anyone here used clonezilla to backup clone drives |
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| 07:32.07 | haopwa | hark: those files are not in the dir you mentioned. |
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| 07:33.17 | hark | do you have a ~/.Trash-0 dir? |
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| 07:34.53 | haopwa | hark: when i look thro' the dir you mentioned and returned to the trashcan, all files are gone except two which the system cannot access and which started with 0-. |
| 07:35.14 | digitalj | Hi, can someone help me turn off verbose networking? |
| 07:35.33 | digitalj | like, turn off eth0: link up, 10Mbps, full -duplex, etc |
| 07:35.42 | digitalj | while im writing a text file |
| 07:36.06 | haopwa | hark: these two remaining files have extension .trashinfo and they cannot be renamed. |
| 07:36.49 | haopwa | i will live with it for the moment. thks. bye. |
| 07:36.58 | hark | digitalj: /etc/sysctl.conf , look for the kernel.printk line |
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| 07:38.18 | digitalj | hark: thanks |
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| 07:38.43 | hark | digitalj: "sysctl -p" once you uncomment it |
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| 07:39.13 | digitalj | hark: thats, that helps a lot |
| 07:39.18 | digitalj | i better write this down |
| 07:39.29 | digitalj | thanks* |
| 07:39.35 | hark | np |
| 07:39.46 | digitalj | smoked some pot, writing the same word twice ;) |
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| 07:46.41 | Vonor | hi |
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| 07:47.53 | Vonor | apt-get dist-upgrade brought and error when updating mount because i still had an nfs share mounted, is there a way to resume the former install process? can't seem to find any resume options in the manpage |
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| 07:51.12 | hark | dpkg --configure -a |
| 07:51.12 | dpkg | hark: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:51.38 | digitalj | Do you guys all compile customized kernels? |
| 07:51.50 | digitalj | Optimized as much as possible |
| 07:51.54 | bolt | yes. all 500 of us |
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| 07:52.13 | digitalj | Well, I mean...who does? |
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| 07:52.21 | bolt | !polls |
| 07:52.22 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:52.39 | bolt | 500?! where's the other 500? |
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| 07:53.37 | digitalj | gimme a break, lol |
| 07:53.41 | digitalj | im just curious |
| 07:53.42 | bolt | !lol |
| 07:53.42 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:53.53 | mavez | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.54 | mavez | oops |
| 07:55.09 | bolt | digitalj: i'd say most people only compile their own kernels when they need it for the size or because they need to hack something to get it to work on their weirdass hardware |
| 07:55.32 | bolt | digitalj: there's not really that much speed to gain, as everything is modules now anyway. what you don't need, you don't use |
| 07:55.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | Vonor, just re-run it |
| 07:56.03 | digitalj | Well, what I do is select everything I need, unselect everything I dont need, and compile everything directly into the kernel with no modules what so ever |
| 07:56.31 | bolt | digitalj: well, if you never change your hardware, i guess that's fine. i doubt you'd notice a speed difference though |
| 07:57.16 | digitalj | bolt: i just like the idea of a completely customized system, thats all |
| 07:57.51 | digitalj | down to every last component, configuration, and piece of software |
| 07:58.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | heard of LFS? |
| 07:58.13 | digitalj | yeah |
| 07:58.27 | digitalj | haven't thought of it in so long though |
| 07:58.29 | digitalj | but thats |
| 07:58.30 | bolt | digitalj: even when it's pointless and becomes less flexible? let's see, i have this bit driver with 5 bits on it.. i only use the one, so i'll glue that on permanently and throw away the others! a bit lighter to carry.. and it's CUSTOM! |
| 07:58.31 | digitalj | thanks* |
| 07:59.01 | hark | still stoned ;) |
| 07:59.12 | digitalj | haha |
| 07:59.26 | digitalj | hmm...i just enabled VIA frame buffer |
| 07:59.35 | digitalj | I dont know if its worth booting up being that much slower |
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| 08:00.16 | bolt | please, don't ask who thinks it is and who doesn't |
| 08:00.27 | digitalj | i'm just talking to myself now, just high :) |
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| 08:01.14 | bolt | there's 500 people standing around you, and you're yelling to all of them :P |
| 08:01.34 | digitalj | good, i could use an audience to preach my ideals |
| 08:02.01 | digitalj | 1. take 75% of the military budget and give it to NASA |
| 08:02.06 | bolt | or to convince you that your custom kernel is an unflexible and heavy golden goat |
| 08:02.15 | digitalj | Who says I'm changing hardware? |
| 08:02.23 | digitalj | And even if I did, it's not that hard to change |
| 08:02.43 | bolt | the soldering holding the pin connector for pin 51 on your cpu does |
| 08:03.03 | digitalj | What do you mean by that? |
| 08:03.13 | bolt | something might break |
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| 08:03.32 | digitalj | so what, i can get the exact same hardware |
| 08:03.44 | kinja-sheep | Where can I get cutting edge of Debian? "Testing" stage, right? |
| 08:03.52 | digitalj | kinja-sheep: so they say |
| 08:04.10 | bolt | how about getting a bigger harddrive with room for 20mb of modules? |
| 08:04.15 | kinja-sheep | digitalj: Yeah. I can't find the ISO on the website. Only stable version. |
| 08:04.24 | digitalj | kinja-sheep: you don't need an iso |
| 08:04.34 | digitalj | you can use etch install |
| 08:04.41 | digitalj | then just edit /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 08:04.46 | digitalj | change etch to testing |
| 08:04.51 | digitalj | apt-get update |
| 08:04.54 | digitalj | apt-get upgrade |
| 08:04.59 | digitalj | done |
| 08:05.14 | bolt | !etch->lenny |
| 08:05.16 | kinja-sheep | digitalj: Thanks. Will give it try (on VirtualBox). ;O |
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| 08:05.23 | bolt | hm.. dpkg gone? |
| 08:05.28 | bolt | !test |
| 08:05.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 08:05.31 | bolt | ... |
| 08:05.37 | digitalj | err yeah |
| 08:05.40 | bolt | !botslap |
| 08:05.40 | dpkg | :( |
| 08:05.42 | craigevil | kinja-sheep: or just grab a lenny iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 08:06.15 | kinja-sheep | craigevil: Thanks. I'm experimenting several linux brands. |
| 08:06.34 | digitalj | I don't like the graphical installer in the testing iso |
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| 08:06.51 | digitalj | ncurses text installer is better |
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| 08:07.20 | bolt | more custom? |
| 08:07.42 | kinja-sheep | http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9122/screenshotvirtualboxoseth1.png <_< |
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| 08:08.12 | digitalj | bolt: no just faster |
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| 08:08.30 | hark | bolt: factoids with -> in them somehow don't work with ! . you have to use dpkg, foo |
| 08:08.43 | bolt | hark: ah |
| 08:09.07 | kinja-sheep | craigevil: What does 'bt' stands for? |
| 08:09.15 | bolt | dpkg, please implement something that will catch "->" even with an exclamation mark in front of it |
| 08:09.15 | dpkg | You are moron #40, bolt |
| 08:09.20 | bolt | bah |
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| 08:09.31 | bolt | dpkg needs autoimplementation of new usecases |
| 08:09.31 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, bolt |
| 08:09.38 | bolt | of course you don't |
| 08:09.39 | hark | kinja-sheep: won't be bleeding edge though |
| 08:09.58 | bolt | hark: well, it is bleeding debian-edge :) |
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| 08:10.12 | digitalj | from what i hear gentoo is bleeding edge |
| 08:10.20 | bolt | fedora |
| 08:10.23 | digitalj | lol |
| 08:10.27 | kinja-sheep | hark: Yeah. I'm comfortable with Ubuntu -- Seeing that it's a fork of Debian, I figure I don't really need Ubuntu after all -- Was looking for bleeding-edge Debian (and more stable, of course). |
| 08:10.43 | hark | that would be sid, but now that lenny is getting all the attention, sid is very lonely |
| 08:10.45 | bolt | digitalj: they do seem to implement most new things before other distros |
| 08:10.52 | digitalj | Ubuntu is for people who like to jerk off to compiz |
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| 08:11.37 | bolt | digitalj: how so? you can jerk off to that in debian if you like |
| 08:11.56 | digitalj | bolt: people who use ubuntu are the kind of people who like to use that shit |
| 08:12.37 | kinja-sheep | I need 12 discs? This can't be... right? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 08:13.11 | bolt | digitalj: ah. and us people using debian are the hardcore ones, keepin' it real with custom kernels, console installers and no pointless bling, fo shizzle? |
| 08:13.26 | craigevil | just cd1 or if you want kde use the kde iso |
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| 08:13.44 | bolt | heads off to install DOS |
| 08:13.59 | acedip1 | as |
| 08:14.11 | digitalj | bolt: fo reel |
| 08:14.18 | kinja-sheep | craigevil: Okay. I'm going for first disc. Why the multiple cds tho? |
| 08:14.46 | digitalj | gotta be hax |
| 08:14.51 | craigevil | there are over 20k debian packages if you want them all you grab all the cds/dvs |
| 08:14.59 | Vonor | i wonder, why does the debian install cd not give the option to use kde, xfce or whatever, but enforces me to use gnome (standard install with desktop environment) |
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| 08:15.23 | craigevil | !kde |
| 08:15.23 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 08:15.25 | hark | Vonor: it does |
| 08:15.48 | kinja-sheep | Vonor: I guess Gnome is more stable than others -- and they update every six months or so. It's also a popular window manager. That could be it. |
| 08:15.56 | Vonor | hark, it didn't for me |
| 08:16.07 | kinja-sheep | Vonor: Wrong ISO? |
| 08:16.10 | craigevil | To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers |
| 08:16.23 | Vonor | kinja-sheep, oh yeah, the pyramids of gezieh are finally considered as stable too, eh? :D |
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| 08:16.38 | craigevil | gnome more stable? :O |
| 08:16.40 | hark | Vonor: there are different cd's for gnome/kde/xfce and anyway you can still install either by passing a boot option |
| 08:16.42 | kinja-sheep | Vonor: :P |
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| 08:17.04 | hark | Vonor: like for kde - install tasks=kde-desktop should get you kde |
| 08:18.15 | Vonor | hmpf...using different cds of different desktop environments just sucks...like ubuntu :P and passing a kernel boot option for it sucks too, instead the installer shoul have a menu to choose from |
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| 08:25.53 | jelly | <Vonor> hmpf...using different cds of different desktop environments just sucks # it's a necessity, though |
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| 08:53.11 | streuner | judd, versions cups |
| 08:53.12 | judd | streuner: cups -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 sid: 1.3.8-1lenny4.1 experimental: 1.3.9-12 |
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| 08:54.49 | mcbane | hi |
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| 08:55.24 | mcbane | I want to test the new evolution version that comes with gnome 2.25.5. Is that already in some repo? |
| 08:56.13 | RO0T | i seem to have broken lenny. does libc6 get "executed" each time a command gets executed ? |
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| 08:58.19 | jelly | RO0T: no, but /lib/ld-linux.so.2 does |
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| 08:58.43 | jelly | RO0T: why? |
| 08:59.01 | kinja-sheep | I'm curious -- How do you install packages that *is not in* the repos? Ubuntu sure have lot of packages. For instance, there are no pastebinit package? |
| 08:59.25 | jelly | judd: versions pastebinit |
| 08:59.26 | judd | jelly: pastebinit -- sid: 0.10-1 lenny: 0.10-2 sid: 0.10-2 experimental: 0.11-1 |
| 08:59.48 | RO0T | jelly not any more it doesnt |
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| 09:00.01 | jelly | kinja-sheep: typically you'd backport it |
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| 09:00.12 | jelly | kinja-sheep: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:00.25 | kinja-sheep | jelly: Will take a look. |
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| 09:01.59 | jelly | RO0T: is there a problem? |
| 09:02.07 | RO0T | jelly so if i set ld-2.7.so to executable things should go back to working ? |
| 09:02.47 | jelly | RO0T: if you're asking whether it should be executable, then yes |
| 09:02.59 | RO0T | jelly problem ? no, no problem, just can't execute any non-builtin command. ;/ |
| 09:03.35 | jelly | RO0T: all right then. Cheers! |
| 09:03.40 | RO0T | :) |
| 09:04.21 | RO0T | oh wait. i do have one problem. if i got that fixed... usb is not working. |
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| 09:05.10 | RO0T | looks like that fixed the execution hickup |
| 09:05.59 | RO0T | plugging and unplugging usb stick no change in dmesg |
| 09:06.41 | RO0T | dmesg | tail -1 >>> [ 32.899480] br0: port 2(wlan0) entering disabled state |
| 09:06.56 | RO0T | before and after messing with usb stick |
| 09:07.02 | jelly | that's not relevant to usb, right |
| 09:07.15 | RO0T | that line ^ no it's not. |
| 09:07.17 | jelly | uname -r ? |
| 09:07.34 | RO0T | .26 |
| 09:07.39 | jelly | that's not it. |
| 09:07.51 | RO0T | yes it is. 2.6.26 |
| 09:08.21 | jelly | please provide full output if you want real help |
| 09:09.24 | RO0T | Linux localhost 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:09.45 | jelly | so uname -r would say "2.6.26-1-686". |
| 09:10.32 | jelly | RO0T: dpkg -l udev libc6|tail -2 ? |
| 09:10.42 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 09:10.42 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
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| 09:11.11 | RO0T | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:11.11 | RO0T | ii udev 0.125-7 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 09:12.08 | jelly | did you, by any chance, removed executable permissions from every plain file under /lib? |
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| 09:13.12 | RO0T | not before the usb error, and not all but most of them |
| 09:13.38 | jelly | doesn't dare ask why |
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| 09:14.53 | jelly | RO0T: pastebin your dmesg; lsmod | grep hci |
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| 09:15.38 | jelly | and if files in /lib/udev/ aren't executable, reinstall udev |
| 09:15.44 | RO0T | jelly i got it. udev restart fixed it |
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| 09:16.39 | RO0T | i'll have to look into udev/usb cooperation when i have time. anyway, thanks |
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| 09:18.23 | RO0T | in the mean time i'll fix the init.d/udev script to remove the 60 second timeout |
| 09:19.36 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.48 | jelly | RO0T: or just reboot |
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| 09:20.53 | RO0T | jelly wouldn't help my startup process doesn't run the scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:21.47 | jelly | RO0T: hire an admin :-> |
| 09:21.59 | RO0T | pays /me |
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| 09:23.45 | thasp | what is the difference between debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso and debian-40r6-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 09:25.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | one has etchnhalf packages |
| 09:25.47 | ^shark_ | anyone has an idea of configuring the sending of mail from otrs application through postfix, whenever a ticket is created? |
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| 09:27.33 | thasp | !dbugs 491601 |
| 09:27.37 | dpkg | #491601:N[madwifi-source] madwifi-source fails to build against 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 (); Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:48:31 UTC [] |
| 09:27.49 | thasp | does that exist in debian-40r6-i386-netinst.iso or just etchnhalf? |
| 09:28.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | afaik only etchnhalf, but i've not used it |
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| 09:29.14 | thasp | i used a debian livecd a month ago that didn't have it, and i'm trying to figure out which one it was |
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| 09:41.05 | kyrix | if i have a debian server in a lan behind a firewall, is it still advisable to set up a firewall on the machine? |
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| 09:44.45 | format_c | kyrix, only if you suspect your LAN might be populated by potentional attackers |
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| 09:47.03 | bolt-wor1 | kyrix: only if you run services that are insecure and still need to be exposed to other machines |
| 09:47.30 | bolt-wor1 | kyrix: a firewall only protects you from what you tell it to protect you from |
| 09:47.58 | bolt-wor1 | kyrix: if you run apache, then allow connections to it, your firewall will do nothing against, say, an apache exploit |
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| 09:48.57 | sfuentes | do i need my own dns server if i want to register a domain name and my server uses a dhcp IP? |
| 09:49.12 | bolt-work | you need *a* dns server |
| 09:49.16 | bolt-work | not necessarily your own |
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| 09:49.23 | bolt-work | but you need a dns server with a static ip |
| 09:49.28 | bolt-work | try dyndns.org or similar |
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| 09:49.50 | sfuentes | bolt-work: will they charge me extra for having dynamic ip? |
| 09:50.06 | sfuentes | besides domain registration that is |
| 09:50.13 | bolt-work | no, but they will charge you for running your dns |
| 09:50.37 | bolt-work | so yes, more than just the registration |
| 09:50.40 | sfuentes | but my ISP runs my dns |
| 09:50.53 | nsadmin | and your domain? |
| 09:50.59 | bolt-work | if your isp is willing to be the dns for your domain, then use them |
| 09:51.10 | sfuentes | oh i see now |
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| 09:51.45 | bolt-work | was bliiiiind, but nooooooow i seeeeee... |
| 09:51.47 | bolt-work | sings |
| 09:51.50 | nsadmin | running your own dns for a domain is hard enough if you have the requirements, which you don't |
| 09:51.52 | sfuentes | but if i host my own dns server, i can still use dhcp, right? |
| 09:52.00 | bolt-work | realizes singing at his workplace desk is a little weird and shuts up |
| 09:52.09 | nsadmin | you cannot run a dns on a dynamic ip |
| 09:52.51 | sfuentes | the dns server would be required to be on a static ip, correct? |
| 09:52.57 | nsadmin | yes. |
| 09:53.01 | nsadmin | that is...] |
| 09:53.13 | nsadmin | if you want it to publish the names |
| 09:53.13 | sfuentes | to communicate with other dns servers on inet i presume |
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| 09:53.36 | nsadmin | yes, the ones that are authoritative over the superdomain |
| 09:54.41 | nsadmin | but on top of this, your dns server needs to be on a machine connected at least as well as the machines it points at |
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| 09:55.14 | mnguyen | How do I create an exception and allow sid/flashplugin-nonfree to be installed? |
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| 09:55.15 | kyrix | format_c: i was thinking of infected windows machines and keeping the number of exposed services to a minimum . wasn't sure if it makes sense though. i was looking for documentation about this topic but i guess not a lot of plp do it |
| 09:55.30 | bony | i am facing problems with jigdo and local cache server |
| 09:55.34 | sfuentes | nsadmin: sounds like dns servers are plenty work :) |
| 09:55.40 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:55.51 | nsadmin | and you have a lot of reading to do |
| 09:56.11 | nsadmin | which you could do... |
| 09:56.16 | sfuentes | nsadmin: do u have a specific resource on dns you would recommend? |
| 09:56.27 | bony | i tried creating a cd image through jigdo using the local cache but few files are not getting downloaded though they exist in the cache like openoffice etc can any one help me out? |
| 09:56.34 | sfuentes | i definitely want to learn this stuff |
| 09:56.41 | nsadmin | sfuentes: you can start with the RFC |
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| 09:57.08 | sfuentes | will do |
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| 09:57.27 | sfuentes | thanks guys |
| 09:57.32 | nsadmin | then, there is a book publ by O'Reilly called DNS and BIND |
| 09:57.57 | nsadmin | then, there is the operations guide in the source of bind |
| 09:58.15 | sfuentes | cool. i like oreilly books |
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| 09:58.41 | nsadmin | there is also a dns howto, that shows how to do domains that are moreorless meant to be inside a NAT |
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| 09:59.27 | nsadmin | you need to know what forward dns and reverse dns are |
| 09:59.37 | format_c | kyrix, to have a dedicated FW on the system is for sure more secure |
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| 10:01.04 | kyrix | is there a file where the routing tables are stored? |
| 10:01.19 | format_c | But if somebody exploits apache e.g. using a evil sequence over port 80, even though your softwarefirewall on your server can not prevent this |
| 10:01.35 | format_c | kyrix, use the "route" or "ip route" command |
| 10:02.15 | format_c | it is only stored in memory which means in /proc |
| 10:02.20 | rvsjoen_ | kyrix : the network subsystem exports /proc/net/route, you can't do anything with it but read it |
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| 10:02.24 | sfuentes | nsadmin: cool. thanks again |
| 10:02.32 | mnguyen | How do I create an exception and allow sid/flashplugin-nonfree to be installed? |
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| 10:02.53 | nsadmin | if you're trying to get a domain going for a server you have, it's going to be much better to let experienced people handle it |
| 10:02.53 | kyrix | thx /proc/net/route was what i was looking for |
| 10:03.10 | nsadmin | which is not to say you can't learn it in the mean time |
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| 10:04.02 | sfuentes | nsadmin: exactly. i'm going to use dyndns' service but i'm going to go ahead and read up on dns and bind. i want to experiment with it on my home lan |
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| 10:04.43 | kyrix | sfuentes: for a little simple dns service for your home lan you can also use dnsmasq |
| 10:05.23 | kyrix | sfuentes: but it isnt really a dns server. it only pretends :) |
| 10:05.54 | sfuentes | kyrix: thanks. i'll check it out |
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| 10:06.38 | bolt-work | kyrix: he wants to host a domain though |
| 10:06.46 | dzup | sfuentes: what kind of conection you have at home? |
| 10:06.47 | bolt-work | kyrix: afaik dnsmasq isn't going to do that |
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| 10:06.57 | bolt-work | dzup: dynamic ip |
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| 10:08.26 | dzup | dynamic ip + dns not a good match heh |
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| 10:08.48 | sfuentes | yeah these fine gentlemen have explained that to me :) |
| 10:09.12 | sfuentes | so looks like dyndns for now |
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| 10:10.31 | bolt-work | i have 3 domains hosted by dyndns. brilliant service, though it does cost a little |
| 10:10.47 | bolt-work | if you have a dynamic ip, dyndns is nice, because everything can update it automatically |
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| 10:11.16 | bolt-work | including all dedicated firewall/router distros i've tested to date and the simple ddclient included in debian |
| 10:13.24 | sfuentes | Custom DNS option, right? |
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| 10:18.02 | kyrix | bolt-work: as i said, for an internal lan dnsmasq is actually enough. not for internet domain hosting of course |
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| 10:22.15 | tenzind | hi, will it be possible to connect to wireless network if its network name is hidden? |
| 10:22.50 | kyrix | tenzind: yes but you have to know its name |
| 10:23.21 | peleg | What do you think about a system that will allow you add a single file to a version control system which is built-in in the system with a single command. Something like "watch filename". From that moment, or until you do "unwatch filename", you can always diff to older versions of that file. It works like svn, but with no real repository -- the filesystem itself is handling it (like it handles symlinks, for example) |
| 10:23.51 | tenzind | kyrix, any tool to know its name?? |
| 10:25.00 | kyrix | tenzind: for sure hackable, but i dont know |
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| 10:25.58 | rvsjoen_ | airodump-ng should be able to find it |
| 10:26.46 | kyrix | peleg: i guess it depends what you use it for, but svn is not only about reverting to other versions... you have metadata, locks (for when two plp commit at the same time) etc... i guess it all depends what you are using it for |
| 10:27.46 | peleg | kyrix, I am not suggesting to replace svn, not at all -- vice versa, actually: I say that svn is over-qualified to the daily task of diffing to older versions your own personal files. |
| 10:27.50 | kyrix | with airsnort you can sniff wireless packets, never done that |
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| 10:28.29 | kyrix | kyrix: i agree. but versionable filesystems are on their way anyways |
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| 10:29.34 | peleg | kyrix, I guess you were answering me, eh? :) |
| 10:29.51 | peleg | I didn't know that they are on their way. Where have you read about this? |
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| 10:30.36 | kyrix | ah yes. |
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| 10:32.20 | ManateeLazyCat | How to get random port number that haven't used ? |
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| 10:33.16 | ManateeLazyCat | I mean have such command can get random port number than haven't used. |
| 10:33.20 | kyrix | peleg: well on their way. zfs allows something similar, i also read something about a ext3 based... |
| 10:33.27 | kyrix | peleg: here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3cow |
| 10:33.35 | peleg | thanks |
| 10:33.54 | kyrix | peleg: and wayback for example. but that is user space app |
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| 10:34.16 | kyrix | peleg: http://wayback.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 10:35.06 | kyrix | ah, here you have almost everything, at least that ive heard about : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versioning_file_system |
| 10:35.42 | Trewas | versioning filesystems (for linux) being "on their way" is a bit too optimistic, as both of those projects look quite dead :) |
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| 10:38.02 | kyrix | trewas: hehe, well that is what i just googled right now. but i read a an article a few weeks ago, with all the hype around the zfs time machine, that this feature will be soon be seen in linux. 6 - 12 months maybe? |
| 10:38.13 | peleg | :) |
| 10:38.39 | kyrix | trewas: i also read something on the gnome list about a user space time machine builtin nautilus. i think thats on the road map for gnome 3 |
| 10:39.11 | kyrix | oh no, its already implemented. but in opensolaris |
| 10:39.18 | maligor | I guess the problem with versioned fs is that very very few people really need it |
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| 10:39.32 | kyrix | http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_desktop_zfs |
| 10:39.42 | kyrix | maligor: i disagree |
| 10:40.00 | Trewas | kyrix: maybe btrfs, it seems to be still developed and is backed by oracle... zfs itself is unlikely to become linux-native soon, because their source code has incompatible license |
| 10:40.00 | kyrix | maligor: how many people copy their files when they are working on it with a new date? |
| 10:40.04 | maligor | then we are in disagreement |
| 10:40.25 | kyrix | i wasnt finished :) |
| 10:40.44 | maligor | if you need document versioning, it should be integrated to the document software |
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| 10:41.01 | maligor | it'd also allow you to easily migrate it |
| 10:41.09 | gunkamanti | hi, a friend wants to sell me an intel duo core E660 (+ asus p5w dh deluxe); i haven't used intel for like ten years, which debian version would i use for this? anything that's not working with 64bit these days? two years ago there was mention of openoffice, video codecs and flash, but i guess these are likely resolved today? |
| 10:42.01 | maligor | gunkamanti, amd64 for 64bit or i386 for 32bit |
| 10:42.32 | maligor | well, for video codecs... ffmpeg includes most used codecs :P |
| 10:42.35 | kyrix | maligor: not sure. instead of having 20 groups working on their own implementations of "time machines" for their apps, it would be better for the operating system to offer a time machine system, that apps can use. |
| 10:42.44 | maligor | flash has a 'alpha' player available from adobe labs |
| 10:42.51 | maligor | it works ok tho |
| 10:43.03 | maligor | and openoffice has been around and working fine for a while |
| 10:43.27 | maligor | kyrix, sure, os libraries |
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| 10:44.11 | maligor | I just don't see why the fs itself has to hide the versioned documents in some magical hidden land |
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| 10:44.30 | mcbane | hi |
| 10:44.48 | maligor | but this is pretty OT |
| 10:44.53 | mcbane | where are the source files stored if I download them via "apt-get source packetname"? |
| 10:45.04 | maligor | mcbane, current |
| 10:45.16 | mcbane | maligor, ah, ok. Thanks! |
| 10:45.34 | kyrix | maligor: well, im not saying that it _has_ to be fs based. but just look at the zfs with nautilus implementation, its pretty nifty. |
| 10:46.48 | kyrix | and time "sliding" should be in nautilus too, not only app based. some projects have different type of files. you might want to check a whole set of folders at a certain time point. i use svn for that, but svn is an overkill for most users. specially usability wise. |
| 10:46.53 | gunkamanti | maligor: thx. didn't recognize that amd64 works also for intel. |
| 10:47.16 | maligor | kyrix, yeah, git is better |
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| 10:47.47 | maligor | gunkamanti, just historical reasons |
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| 10:48.49 | maligor | gunkamanti, p5w might have the happy mtrr bios bug btw |
| 10:49.00 | maligor | it shouldn't really be a issue anymore tho |
| 10:50.21 | maligor | gunkamanti, oh nm, it won't have that bug :P |
| 10:50.58 | maligor | thought p5w's were p35 but they aren't |
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| 11:05.25 | debian_noob | Hi everyone ! |
| 11:05.47 | bolt-work | !greet debian_noob |
| 11:05.47 | dpkg | Gr33tz, debian_noob |
| 11:05.59 | bolt-work | i said greet, not gr33t |
| 11:06.00 | bolt-work | bah |
| 11:06.12 | debian_noob | Can anybody tell me how to use the Terminal Screenlet in Screenlets? |
| 11:06.20 | matmo | morning all. How do I get ndiswrapper src/binary for 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 ? |
| 11:06.38 | debian_noob | When I launch it ,it doesnt open ! |
| 11:06.49 | bolt-work | debian_noob: any output? |
| 11:07.08 | debian_noob | No ,bolt-work |
| 11:07.19 | bolt-work | exit status? |
| 11:07.26 | debian_noob | I just launch and it doesnt do anything. |
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| 11:07.43 | bolt-work | debian_noob: launch it from a console. check output |
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| 11:07.50 | gypsym | hi |
| 11:07.52 | valdyn | the screenlet server needs to be started too, if this is like gdesklets |
| 11:08.00 | gypsym | there is a way to know changes before do an upgrade? |
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| 11:08.13 | valdyn | !apt-listchanges |
| 11:08.13 | dpkg | somebody said apt-listchanges was a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and the debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It's well worth it for stable users to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes and it should be made mandatory for users of testing/sid. Also ask me about <d-d-a>. |
| 11:08.15 | debian_noob | How to launch the Screenlet from the terminal? |
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| 11:08.51 | debian_noob | valdyn:No ,not gdesklets its Screenlets |
| 11:08.52 | gypsym | !d-d-a |
| 11:08.52 | dpkg | debian-devel-announce is an announcement list to which major Debian developments are posted. If you are running releases beyond <stable>, then YOU are part of the development process and it's your responsibility to read it (no excuses!) or risk missing important announcements. "mailx -s 'subscribe' debian-devel-announce-request@lists.debian.org < /dev/null" or http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe Ask me about <apt-listchanges> |
| 11:09.19 | valdyn | debian_noob: that doesnt mean that the way it functions is that different |
| 11:09.43 | debian_noob | valdyn, Maybe |
| 11:09.51 | valdyn | debian_noob: yea, maybe |
| 11:10.03 | debian_noob | bolt-work:should I launch the .py file? |
| 11:10.08 | valdyn | debian_noob: rightclick on the starter you cant select properties? |
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| 11:11.12 | debian_noob | Which starter? |
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| 11:11.20 | abaddon | hi, i have something like "ifndef USE_OPENSSL" (first occurrence) in debian/rules for ircd-hybrid, i want to recompile it with that flag defined, how can i define it properly? it works if i edit debian/rules and just define it.. |
| 11:11.25 | valdyn | debian_noob: the starter in the menu for that screenlet |
| 11:11.42 | debian_noob | ok |
| 11:11.48 | debian_noob | Ill try that. |
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| 11:12.26 | alsd | hi there |
| 11:12.33 | valdyn | abaddon: how do you know that that flag is not defined? |
| 11:12.54 | debian_noob | valdyn:Where is the starter? I forgot. |
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| 11:13.14 | valdyn | debian_noob: i dont know, you should know that since you tried to start it |
| 11:13.18 | DONDON | are there any known problems with NFS/Samba and large hard drives. I have 2 large hds (1.5 and 1tb each) and 1 74gb raptor. The large HDs can't be written to at more than 3mb/sec (it writes the first 30 or so fast and then hangs and writes very slowly), reading is fine from these drives over NFS/Samba. |
| 11:13.38 | abaddon | valdyn, is not by default, if i just do a debuild it doesnt get ssl compiled in, configure script says so too, if i put a define at the top of debian/rules it will get compiled in, it doesnt get autodetected if thats what you meant |
| 11:13.48 | DONDON | the 74gb drive reads/writes just fine over nfs/samba |
| 11:13.59 | DONDON | all drives write fast to themselves and eachother locally |
| 11:14.04 | debian_noob | Does anybody know where the starter for screenlets are? |
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| 11:14.58 | valdyn | abaddon: editing debian/rules is one proper way |
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| 11:15.16 | valdyn | adama_: fixing dependencies might be needed though for this to be a proper package |
| 11:15.18 | abaddon | ok then, i though there is some command line switch for debuild, thanks :) |
| 11:15.21 | valdyn | oos |
| 11:15.29 | valdyn | abaddon: i dont think so |
| 11:16.28 | debian_noob | Does anybody know where the starter for screenlets are? |
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| 11:18.26 | nodie | hi, is there something wrong in the package libapache2-mod-php5 of lenny? |
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| 11:18.43 | nodie | I can't install it... I get an error |
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| 11:19.40 | cane9 | hi |
| 11:20.05 | cane9 | can someone please tell me where i can find info about the repository priority settings of apt? |
| 11:20.15 | debian_noob | bolt-work:If I launch it from a console then the output is : ImportError: No module named vte |
| 11:20.27 | cane9 | i want to add a repo, but in a way that only packages that aren't available from other repos be installed from it |
| 11:21.27 | debian_noob | bolt-work,Any idea? |
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| 11:21.47 | alsd | cane9: man apt_preferences maybe? |
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| 11:23.29 | debian_noob | bolt-work: You saw the output? What does vte stand for? |
| 11:23.48 | valdyn | debian_noob: aptitude install python-vte |
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| 11:24.39 | debian_noob | valdyn:Okay. |
| 11:25.56 | alsd | is there any possible way to change the agp aperture size without proper BIOS setup option? |
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| 11:30.07 | [twistiii] | i have a weird problem with rtorrent, i copied a configuration from the net, and when i try to start rtorrent it says "rtorrent: Error in option file: ~/.rtorrent.rc:14: Variable "on_finished" does not exist." which doesnt make any sense to me at all. ideas ? |
| 11:30.41 | cane9 | alsd, yep, thx |
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| 11:31.11 | jelly | [twistiii]: uh... comment out that variable? |
| 11:31.32 | [twistiii] | but its a valid variable, and if i comment it out it wont do what i want |
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| 11:31.55 | jelly | the version of rtorrent you're using has just told you it's NOT valid |
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| 11:32.38 | [twistiii] | but it is, and a different line that also starts with on_finished = works perfectly fine |
| 11:32.57 | valdyn | [twistiii]: show us both lines |
| 11:32.57 | alsd | more precisely, i'm wondering why on earth does X alone requires so much memory, as in 128Mb used by X over 256Mb available (using an intel i830m graphic chip, video ram is taken from system ram) |
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| 11:33.41 | jelly | [twistiii]: pastebin the file; dpkg -l rtorrent libtorrent\* |grep ^.i |
| 11:33.51 | valdyn | alsd: do you understand how much ram 1 screen by your resolution takes? |
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| 11:34.24 | [twistiii] | config: http://rafb.net/p/QfTbQG54.html |
| 11:35.10 | [twistiii] | and what did you want to know from dpkg, the version of rtorrent ? |
| 11:35.30 | jelly | I wanted the output of that command. |
| 11:35.39 | valdyn | alsd: and do you understand how to read memory usage of one program? |
| 11:35.46 | debian_noob | valdyn:Thankx.That Worked. |
| 11:35.51 | valdyn | alsd: and finally, read and understand the output of xrestop |
| 11:35.54 | jelly | [twistiii]: this includes versions of rtorrent and any libtorrent* named packages |
| 11:35.55 | [twistiii] | ii libtorrent9 0.10.4-1 a C++ BitTorrent library |
| 11:35.55 | [twistiii] | ii rtorrent 0.6.4-1 ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorren |
| 11:36.24 | valdyn | [twistiii]: where is that version from? etch? backports.org? |
| 11:36.31 | [twistiii] | backports |
| 11:36.31 | alsd | valdyn: I guess something like width * height * bpp ? mine is 1280*1024*24, which does ~40Mb |
| 11:36.41 | jelly | [twistiii]: is your config file supposed to work with that old rtorrent? |
| 11:36.51 | [twistiii] | i wasnt aware it was old |
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| 11:36.51 | jelly | judd: versions rtorrent |
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| 11:36.56 | judd | jelly: rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1 lenny: 0.7.9-2.1 sid: 0.7.9-2.1 experimental: 0.8.4-2 |
| 11:37.14 | jelly | [twistiii]: well, now you know ;-) |
| 11:37.17 | [twistiii] | jelly: your math is off, thats 4mb, not 40mb |
| 11:37.29 | valdyn | alsd: ^^ |
| 11:37.48 | [twistiii] | hrm |
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| 11:37.50 | alsd | valdyn: when i'm saying X alone, it's X alone : 'free' reports 26Mb used at startup (no X), launching 'X' alone then 'free' reports 138Mb used |
| 11:38.00 | [twistiii] | so how can i get a newer rtorrent for my etch ? |
| 11:38.04 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 11:38.05 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 11:38.09 | alsd | [twistiii]: well right, yes, that's even smaller |
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| 11:38.57 | valdyn | [twistiii]: my X uses much less than that, and that is on a 64bit system, running plenty programs. I think you are reading something wrong |
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| 11:39.14 | valdyn | geez |
| 11:39.15 | jelly | alsd: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should provide some insight into memory usage by X. Disabling GLX / 3D acceleration would likely help matters. |
| 11:39.16 | valdyn | alsd: ^^ |
| 11:39.33 | [twistiii] | so, is there any way i can get a newer version of rtorrent on etch ? |
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| 11:39.57 | avtobiff | i have been battling with xkb symbol files for a week now. i just want to switch Alt and AltGr or set LWIN as ISO_Level_3_Shift |
| 11:40.01 | jelly | [twistiii]: I'd try backporting libtorrent and rtorrent from experimental if I were you |
| 11:40.05 | jelly | [twistiii]: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:40.29 | [twistiii] | i dont really know what backporting means |
| 11:40.36 | valdyn | alsd: better if you show us the actual numbers you are reading, then its easier to tell you if and where you read something wrong |
| 11:40.53 | jelly | [twistiii]: /msg dpkg backport |
| 11:40.58 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i need some help... i've just tried running "apt-get install rsync" and it wants to remove "base-config", "initrd-tools" and "kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386" - as far as I know, this would actually remove the kernel i'm using right now. any ideas?? |
| 11:41.16 | jelly | fishsponge_: which release of debian are you using? |
| 11:41.25 | fishsponge_ | not sure... how can i find out? |
| 11:41.40 | fishsponge_ | 3.1 according to /etc/debian_version |
| 11:41.45 | valdyn | fishsponge_: what did you do to fuck up that system? |
| 11:41.54 | jelly | fishsponge_: dpkg -l libc6|tail 1; cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:42.17 | fishsponge_ | i did nothing to screw up the system - it was installed about 3 years ago, and not touched since (it's a mail server) |
| 11:42.17 | jelly | fishsponge_: right. You have sarge. |
| 11:42.28 | valdyn | fishsponge_: then someone else did |
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| 11:42.32 | [twistiii] | is etch really that old ? i figured when i took the lastest stable release that id be like, 2 months old or something like that |
| 11:42.36 | jelly | valdyn: why do you think so? |
| 11:42.48 | valdyn | fishsponge_: grep stable /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:42.52 | jelly | valdyn: it's a sarge machine with stable in sources.list |
| 11:42.57 | [twistiii] | but every since it feels like im using win95 and everyone goes "lol that wont run on that old crap system" |
| 11:43.05 | valdyn | jelly: thats fucked up |
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| 11:43.15 | jelly | valdyn: no, that's just not maintained. |
| 11:43.20 | fishsponge_ | valdyn: i have run that grep and have 3 lines |
| 11:43.47 | valdyn | fishsponge_: thats whats broken, you need to refer to sarge, not to stable, but sarge is no longer there |
| 11:43.56 | jelly | valdyn: the passage of time made that config bad; no user intervention was necessary |
| 11:43.59 | valdyn | fishsponge_: stable is a different release |
| 11:44.00 | fishsponge_ | jelly: any ideas, now i know i'm running sarge? |
| 11:44.16 | valdyn | jelly: yea,and i know that putting stable was a bug in debian |
| 11:44.25 | valdyn | jelly: and thats fucked up |
| 11:44.27 | fishsponge_ | valdyn: what's the easiest way to get rsync installed onto this box then? lol |
| 11:44.34 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 11:44.34 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ |
| 11:44.43 | valdyn | !archive |
| 11:44.43 | dpkg | [archive] a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 11:45.09 | valdyn | fishsponge_: the repository is somewhere on http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 11:45.16 | fishsponge_ | thanks, valdyn, but i can't upgrade our mail server to etch - i only have the rest of today to fix our problem... lol |
| 11:45.18 | jelly | fishsponge_: first you'll need to use archive.debian.org to update and install some sarge packages; next you need to plan for an upgrade to etch |
| 11:45.27 | valdyn | fishsponge_: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list asap, its just dangerous |
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| 11:45.58 | fishsponge_ | i must admit though... even though sarge is quite old, it's a sham,e that someone without too much knowledge could easily screw up a system because of the naming of the repos! lol |
| 11:46.18 | [twistiii] | it looks like there is no rtorrent backport for etch. anything else i can do to get a newer rtorrent ? |
| 11:46.25 | valdyn | fishsponge_: need to use codenames, not release states there.. |
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| 11:47.12 | valdyn | [twistiii]: maybe you can backport it yourself |
| 11:47.25 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 11:47.25 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 11:47.29 | fishsponge_ | hmmm... i can't believe this is proving so difficult! lol, all i wanted was the rsync command, not i'm trying to find repositories! |
| 11:47.52 | valdyn | fishsponge_: you dont understand how repositories work in debian? |
| 11:48.13 | valdyn | fishsponge_: rsync is just a few mouseclicks away.. |
| 11:48.14 | fishsponge_ | jelly & valdyn: i'm looking at http://archive.debian.org right now, in the hope that i can fix the repo list, but i've no idea which URLs etc... to put in the file |
| 11:48.14 | jelly | fishsponge_: your system is _very_ out of date |
| 11:48.23 | valdyn | fishsponge_: ok |
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| 11:48.33 | fishsponge_ | i know my system is rather out of date(!) but surely rsync can't be that hard to find? |
| 11:48.36 | [twistiii] | valdyn: that doesnt seem terribly helpful |
| 11:48.42 | fishsponge_ | all i need it a .deb file right? |
| 11:48.50 | fishsponge_ | and possibly a few dependencies to go with it |
| 11:49.04 | valdyn | fishsponge_: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 11:49.28 | valdyn | fishsponge_: and remove the stuff that refers to stable ( or comment it out ) |
| 11:49.37 | valdyn | fishsponge_: then run apt-get update; apt-get install rsync |
| 11:49.42 | fishsponge_ | so should these three be commented out then: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 11:49.49 | jelly | fishsponge_: correct |
| 11:49.57 | valdyn | [twistiii]: why not? |
| 11:50.19 | fishsponge_ | ok, so now I have two repos remaining: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free and deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 11:50.22 | fishsponge_ | how's that? |
| 11:50.25 | thasp | nload is great but is there a way to get it show the total combined bandwidth being used by 2 interfaces? |
| 11:50.32 | valdyn | fishsponge_: tats ok |
| 11:50.36 | [twistiii] | valdyn: it abbreviates the line im supposed to insert, without telling me anything about whats supposed to go in there |
| 11:50.46 | fishsponge_ | valdyn: ok, so now I save that file and run "apt-get update"?? |
| 11:50.52 | valdyn | !deb-src |
| 11:50.52 | dpkg | methinks deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 11:51.18 | valdyn | [twistiii]: but thats a deb src line for stable, you need to use lenny |
| 11:51.33 | [twistiii] | even though i have etch ? |
| 11:51.44 | valdyn | [twistiii]: yes, that is the nature of a backport |
| 11:51.47 | valdyn | fishsponge_: yes |
| 11:52.03 | valdyn | [twistiii]: you recompile a lenny package for sarge |
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| 11:52.13 | fishsponge_ | ah, perfect - rsync is now installed! |
| 11:52.24 | fishsponge_ | (by running "apt-get install rsync" afterwards, of course) |
| 11:52.24 | [twistiii] | so in my sources.list i put "deb-src http://http.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" ? |
| 11:52.26 | valdyn | [twistiii]: it may work or not, but if it works its the most simple and cleanest way |
| 11:52.30 | fishsponge_ | thank you *so* much people! |
| 11:52.33 | valdyn | [twistiii]: yes |
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| 11:52.39 | [twistiii] | alright, thanks, ill go try |
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| 11:54.59 | [twistiii] | Could not resolve 'http.de.debian.org' |
| 11:55.35 | [twistiii] | no, that bot blurb cant be right |
| 11:55.42 | [twistiii] | i tried a dozen countries, none of the urls work |
| 11:56.18 | valdyn | [twistiii]: hmm, its ftp.de |
| 11:56.40 | [twistiii] | thanks |
| 11:59.12 | [twistiii] | E: Couldn't find package build-essential |
| 11:59.28 | [twistiii] | when trying to follow the bots advice to do apt-get install build-essential; |
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| 12:01.11 | hark | do an update first |
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| 12:02.04 | [twistiii] | i did |
| 12:02.31 | monkey_d_luffy | Dictionaries... I'm lost... there are: aspell, ispell, myspell, hunspell... Is there a "best one" ? |
| 12:03.01 | hark | replace deb-src with deb |
| 12:03.13 | valdyn | hark: wtf |
| 12:03.40 | valdyn | [twistiii]: did you delete the other lines there in sources.list? |
| 12:03.44 | jelly | hark: no! |
| 12:03.51 | [twistiii] | i commented them out |
| 12:03.56 | valdyn | [twistiii]: why ? |
| 12:04.04 | [twistiii] | i thought i was supposed to ? |
| 12:04.29 | [twistiii] | the bot said my source list should ONLY contain that line |
| 12:04.36 | valdyn | [twistiii]: it didnt |
| 12:04.45 | [twistiii] | thats how i understood it at least |
| 12:04.52 | jelly | fishsponge_: you need to plan to replace or upgrade that machine soon. It's likely to have security impaired software on it. |
| 12:04.53 | valdyn | [twistiii]: add ONLY ... |
| 12:05.07 | valdyn | [twistiii]: means to ADD ONLY what follows, not to remove or comment out anything |
| 12:05.11 | [twistiii] | ah |
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| 12:06.17 | hark | sorry, just noticed his deb-src above .. wasn't following the whole thing ;) |
| 12:06.18 | [twistiii] | its working now, thanks |
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| 12:10.14 | Posterdati | please is there a way to use sane on a networked scanner? (HP PhotoSmart C6280 all-in-one machine) |
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| 12:12.02 | hark | damn, i've started doing the abrotman .. |
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| 12:12.29 | enouf | !dance |
| 12:12.29 | dpkg | gets jiggy wit it |
| 12:14.03 | hark | !.. |
| 12:14.03 | dpkg | hark.. |
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| 12:16.54 | gunkamanti | any idea where to look for a decent graphics card that runs 3d under debian, and doesn't need too much power? i don't want to play games, but stuff like google earth would be nice. so i don't want one of those power-devouring racing horses. maybe there's a good list somewhere of recommended graphics cards? could even be an old one. |
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| 12:18.09 | bolt-work | gunkamanti: get a used low-end geforce off of ebay or something |
| 12:18.24 | bolt-work | gunkamanti: most geforces are well supported to my experience |
| 12:18.44 | gunkamanti | thx, i was thinking about a geforce. |
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| 12:19.10 | gunkamanti | so the general rule is older geforce are "fully" supported? or are there gaps? |
| 12:19.42 | bolt-work | gunkamanti: there is a list of recommendations somewhere, but I think most of them work just fine |
| 12:20.07 | bolt-work | gunkamanti: just get something that was at some point mainstream |
| 12:20.39 | gunkamanti | the bad thing is you never find power specs online. i have my machine running 24/7, so it would really save me quite some bucks if there was a graphics card that would power down fully when not in use. |
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| 12:21.35 | bolt-work | gunkamanti: then you'd have to get some specific cards, i'd think. check what the proprietary nvidia drivers list as fully supported, then see if any of those have the power saving features you want |
| 12:22.01 | hark | you'd have to use the binary driver for 3d, probably better to get an older ati instead |
| 12:22.01 | bolt-work | i haven't set up a new 3d running linux machine for quite a while, so i'm afraid i can't point you to where to look |
| 12:22.26 | hark | Posterdati: share or access a shared scanner? |
| 12:22.28 | bolt-work | has had too much trouble with ati on x |
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| 12:22.37 | Posterdati | hark: access |
| 12:23.21 | Posterdati | hark: the c6280 has a webpage where one can take a scan of an image |
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| 12:24.17 | gunkamanti | i had trouble with ati, too. nvidia tended to work easier in my experience. |
| 12:24.18 | earthian | Hello. |
| 12:24.35 | bolt-work | welcome, earthman |
| 12:25.02 | bolt-work | greetings from the far end of betelgeuse |
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| 12:25.18 | enouf | gunkamanti: IINM, the r500 class (x1900XT for example) ati are supported via the Xorg radeon driver |
| 12:25.44 | ford | enouf: he kind of wanted a low power card though |
| 12:26.43 | enouf | hrm .. then try my pentium 2 era geforce 2 card :-P |
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| 12:27.25 | ford | some of the old ones are even more power hungry. my gfmx400 gets red hot |
| 12:27.29 | hark | Posterdati: did you try putting the ip in net.conf? does that work? |
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| 12:27.44 | gunkamanti | yes, that's why i'm not only buying the oldest that works for me. |
| 12:27.46 | enouf | ford: you're joking |
| 12:27.53 | Posterdati | hark: what's net.conf? |
| 12:28.10 | enouf | ~$ lspci | grep VGA |
| 12:28.11 | enouf | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev b2) |
| 12:28.11 | ford | enouf: nope. it really gets warm. might be something wrong with it, but i'd rather touch the stove |
| 12:28.12 | gunkamanti | i thought maybe there's a niche market for power-saving decent cards, but doesn't look like it. |
| 12:28.43 | enouf | thing doesn't even have any sort of chip, let alone a HSF, lmao |
| 12:28.44 | ford | enouf: works like a charm though |
| 12:28.58 | ford | enouf: mine has a fan |
| 12:29.17 | enouf | ford: gf2 or gf4? |
| 12:29.21 | hark | Posterdati: /etc/sane.d/net.conf and try with something like xsane |
| 12:29.24 | ford | 4 |
| 12:29.31 | enouf | different card |
| 12:29.40 | ford | yep |
| 12:30.00 | hark | !sane |
| 12:30.01 | dpkg | [sane] Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:30.14 | Posterdati | hark: ah ok |
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| 12:31.58 | ringo999 | hi, I'm having some problems with wpa_supplicant, every once in a while the wlan connection breaks and I find this message in the log "eapol_version=1 |
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| 12:32.01 | ringo999 | ap_scan=1 |
| 12:32.04 | ringo999 | sorry |
| 12:32.14 | Posterdati | hark: ip address or the name that I wrote in /etc/hosts? |
| 12:32.17 | ringo999 | fast_reauth=1 |
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| 12:33.11 | cocontmi | hi... need help installing debian.... already have ubuntu/xp... always wanted to try out debian.... |
| 12:33.27 | ringo999 | wpa log message: Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or directory. I'm using wpa-roam in my /etc/network/interfaces file... |
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| 12:33.49 | seriouslycgi | i need an ftp client to run over ssh that supports PRET does anyone know a solution? |
| 12:33.50 | hark | Posterdati: either will do. |
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| 12:33.58 | cocontmi | whats the best approach? there are so many iso versions... i don't know which 1 to dL |
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| 12:34.25 | scoaz | hi |
| 12:35.15 | scoaz | i have strange cron lines in my auth.log |
| 12:35.24 | scoaz | like |
| 12:35.27 | scoaz | normaly |
| 12:35.36 | nsadmin | seriouslycgi and google shows you what? |
| 12:35.41 | scoaz | i should have 2 lines for the hourly cron |
| 12:35.47 | scoaz | here i got 6 |
| 12:35.52 | cocontmi | what is the minimum sys req. for the goodbye microsoft installer... mostly hd space needed? |
| 12:36.00 | scoaz | one at xxH09 |
| 12:36.03 | scoaz | one at xxH37 |
| 12:36.04 | scoaz | and |
| 12:36.07 | scoaz | one at xxH39 |
| 12:36.14 | scoaz | the 37 is the hourly cron |
| 12:36.27 | scoaz | both other, are... well a don't know :| |
| 12:36.37 | ham5 | dont post a pastebin |
| 12:36.41 | scoaz | i'm looking all the logs |
| 12:36.42 | seriouslycgi | nsadmin, google shows me gui applications i dont have any xserver loaded on a remote server |
| 12:36.43 | ham5 | try to describe it more |
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| 12:37.41 | nsadmin | seriouslycgi: how can you alter your google query to take that into account?> |
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| 12:38.44 | seriouslycgi | do you know of one nsadmin? cos ive been on google im a big fan of google but i havent had much luck with this |
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| 12:39.30 | Posterdati | hark: it didn't work |
| 12:40.19 | hark | Posterdati: did you try with the server ip? |
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| 12:40.37 | Posterdati | hark: yes |
| 12:40.46 | Posterdati | hark: I wrote the printer ip |
| 12:41.10 | seriouslycgi | ns ok got it now i missed it first time round you were right sorry |
| 12:41.16 | seriouslycgi | nsadmin ok got it now i missed it first time round you were right sorry |
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| 12:48.05 | scoaz | http://paste-bin.com/view/0cf9f4d7 |
| 12:48.50 | scoaz | aaa |
| 12:48.54 | scoaz | I got it |
| 12:49.01 | scoaz | x) |
| 12:49.08 | scoaz | damn php |
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| 12:49.32 | scoaz | cya :p |
| 12:49.40 | hark | Posterdati: try xsane hpaio:/net/Photosmart_C6200_series?ip=aa.bb.cc.dd |
| 12:51.00 | Posterdati | hark: lol it WORKS!!!! |
| 12:51.24 | Posterdati | hark: what the hell it's working!!!!! LOL |
| 12:51.29 | Posterdati | hark: thanks |
| 12:51.43 | Posterdati | hark: shall I need saned running on my localhost? |
| 12:52.22 | hark | no, that's if you want to share only |
| 12:52.51 | Posterdati | hark: how can I save that config? |
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| 12:55.09 | sobersabre | hey. |
| 12:55.16 | sobersabre | any debian-ppc64 users in here ? |
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| 12:55.29 | hark | Posterdati: moment |
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| 12:56.42 | Posterdati | hark: don't worry I solved it |
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| 12:57.29 | bolt-work | sobersabre: yes. just ask your question (not to me, to the channel) |
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| 12:57.53 | bolt-work | why are there so few people in here today? |
| 12:57.58 | bolt-work | seems to remember there being a lot more |
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| 12:59.08 | jelly | some 300 lurkers failed to reconnect after yesterday's DDoS/netsplits |
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| 13:00.03 | liable | give em a week |
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| 13:01.53 | bolt-work | ah |
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| 13:02.57 | liable | heh |
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| 13:03.16 | [twistiii] | how unstable is unstable ? |
| 13:03.26 | jelly | it's unstable. |
| 13:03.34 | AgiofewPhoneHome | [twistiii]: now? in a few minutes? tomorrow? |
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| 13:04.00 | [twistiii] | i mean, does vital stuff break daily, or is it more like "i installed it two months ago and i found a bug once" unstable |
| 13:04.02 | jelly | unfortunately, no one can tell how unstable unstable is. |
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| 13:04.14 | [twistiii] | im sure theres a trend |
| 13:04.33 | simeon | I can't get the USB to mount with virtualbox any help? |
| 13:04.55 | jelly | simeon: virtualbox-ose or the nonfree one? |
| 13:05.01 | simeon | non free |
| 13:05.01 | AgiofewPhoneHome | [twistiii]: if you're not prepared to fix stuff, don't use it. it's not for desktop use and definately not for server use. you can use it on your desktop if you really want to spend time keeping it working |
| 13:05.13 | jelly | simeon: ask #vbox (and read the manual, too) |
| 13:05.14 | [twistiii] | lenny it is then |
| 13:05.14 | simeon | I tried ose but found out it can't use USB at all |
| 13:05.17 | [twistiii] | thanks |
| 13:05.21 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: np |
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| 13:07.05 | [twistiii] | if i get a cdimage from there: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 13:07.29 | [twistiii] | will it prompt me during the install which version (etch, lenny, unstable) i want ? |
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| 13:08.10 | [twistiii] | i expected to find different isos for etch and lenny, but it just gives me one without even saying what it is |
| 13:08.24 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: there is a lenny installer somewhere |
| 13:08.25 | hark | Posterdati: how did you save it? |
| 13:08.37 | [twistiii] | so those are all for etch ? |
| 13:08.41 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: none of them will prompt you, but going from etch to lenny is relatively simple |
| 13:08.57 | [twistiii] | bolt: how would i go about it ? |
| 13:09.09 | bullgard4 | enouf: '~$ ip a' lists for ath0 the property 'link/ether' and for wifi0 the property 'link/ieee802.11'. Where are these properties described, what do they mean? 'man ip' seems to say that these properties are 'network devices'. Can you comment. |
| 13:09.13 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:09.21 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: weekly snapshot of testing |
| 13:09.25 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: (lenny) |
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| 13:10.20 | [twistiii] | thanks |
| 13:10.21 | cane9 | hi again |
| 13:10.28 | enouf | !802.11 |
| 13:10.28 | dpkg | hmm... 802.11 is a protocol for wireless ethernet. http://www.wavelan.com/ |
| 13:10.49 | [twistiii] | oh, i can just upgrade my etch to lenny without having to reinstall it ? |
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| 13:10.59 | bolt-work | [twistiii]: yep. not the other way around though |
| 13:11.05 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 13:11.05 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
| 13:11.08 | [twistiii] | thats cool |
| 13:11.12 | bolt-work | dpkg, etch->lenny |
| 13:11.12 | dpkg | Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>. |
| 13:11.15 | cane9 | weird problem, echo "mem" > /sys/power/state works, the laptop resumes perfectly, but hal can't suspend the laptop, and i can't see any errors, anyone know where i should start digging? |
| 13:11.26 | enouf | [twistiii]: /msg dpkg lenny release notes |
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| 13:13.40 | enouf | bullgard4: all i know is what dpkg mentioned above, about 802.11 .. seems like wikipedia.org would give you the info you might be looking for - and perhaps some info here; http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211 and http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation |
| 13:13.44 | Posterdati | hark: xsane -> Preferences -> Save device settings |
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| 13:14.09 | mmc | How can I build packages for my programs for more distributions? I put the distro names in the debian/changelog and then I will copy the resulting .deb files into my distro specific repositories. Any other trick? |
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| 13:14.26 | hark | Posterdati: great :) |
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| 13:15.23 | empiric | guys i have install HP data protector on my debian machine and my server is on windows |
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| 13:16.13 | empiric | my server can tries to connect my debian client gices eror winodw clinet not support |
| 13:16.26 | Posterdati | hark: yeah, very funny |
| 13:16.46 | Posterdati | hark: thank you a lot... Where did you find the information? |
| 13:16.49 | bolt-work | empiric: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 13:18.29 | bolt-work | ultrakillers... |
| 13:18.39 | empiric | i have do server on winodows and dp client on debain i want to take bacup of client through HP data protector |
| 13:18.40 | salman | greetings |
| 13:19.05 | bolt-work | empiric: hp data protector is not in debian. not supported here |
| 13:19.10 | bolt-work | empiric: tried rsync? |
| 13:19.16 | empiric | come on |
| 13:19.19 | empiric | i have |
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| 13:19.35 | bolt-work | there are loads of ways to do backups already in debian |
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| 13:19.49 | salman | I am trying to install wine but I got this error: wine: Depends: libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) but it is not installable . what is wrong? |
| 13:20.02 | empiric | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&taskId=120&prodSeriesId=3241176&prodTypeId=18964&objectID=c00874835 |
| 13:20.05 | empiric | see this |
| 13:20.13 | bolt-work | salman: try installing libldap2 directly. might make more sense then |
| 13:20.27 | bolt-work | salman: probably something funky with your sources |
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| 13:21.08 | Posterdati | hark: this piece of hardware it is simply amazing! LOL |
| 13:21.09 | empiric | bolt-work are you sure |
| 13:21.17 | salman | Package libldap2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 13:21.20 | empiric | hp dp is not supported on debian |
| 13:21.37 | salman | However the following packages replace it: slapd libldap-2.4-2 |
| 13:21.47 | petemc | empiric: if someone knows your problem, they would likely help, maybe ask again in a bit |
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| 13:22.44 | alsd | salman: are you using the wine package from debian or from another source? |
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| 13:23.27 | enouf | dpkg: 802.11 is also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveLAN and http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~adj/wavelan.html (the 1st URL seems dead) |
| 13:23.27 | dpkg | enouf: okay |
| 13:23.50 | jelly | empiric: uh... Data Protector 6.0 support matrix says etch and sarge _are_ supported |
| 13:23.51 | bolt-work | empiric: yes, i am sure. as petemc said, someone might accidentally know, but it is not in debian |
| 13:24.18 | jelly | empiric: one merely needs to install rpm for the ssh-based installation to work |
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| 13:26.12 | salman | alsd: this is my sources http://paste.debian.net/27111/ |
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| 13:29.12 | alsd | salman: you're using winehq's version for etch, while your base system is lenny. package libldap2 doesn't exist anymore in lenny. maybe change the winehq repository to lenny or use the debian provided wine |
| 13:29.51 | cyril | hi there, anyone knows a tool to let the LEDS of a specific device (/dev/sdx) blink on command? |
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| 13:30.36 | salman | what is the main differnce between the debian packaged and the winhq's? |
| 13:31.02 | bolt-work | salman: winehq's might be newer |
| 13:31.44 | alsd | salman: the people who package it, too |
| 13:31.46 | salman | bolt-work: it seems that winhq is not available for lenny. changing the sources to leeny producing errors |
| 13:32.10 | bolt-work | salman: just get the one in lenny already then |
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| 13:32.42 | jelly | salman: winehq build on ubuntu can have a single huge package; use the one from debian if you can |
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| 13:32.52 | jelly | s/can/and/ |
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| 13:33.07 | enouf | er.. why does xsane start out with a EULA dialog? wtf? |
| 13:33.47 | salman | to use the wine from debian, I just need to remove all references to winhq, right? |
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| 13:34.11 | Posterdati | hark: I did prefer the photosmart c6280 to a simply scanner hp g4010 |
| 13:34.21 | alsd | salman: and 'apt-get update' yes |
| 13:34.30 | Posterdati | hark: the first come out at 139€, the latter at 149€ lol |
| 13:34.37 | jelly | salman: the winehq one will be removed nicely if you install the debian one, afair |
| 13:35.18 | alsd | jelly: seems like it doesn't install anyway |
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| 13:37.39 | jelly | alsd: pastebin the command you're using and the complete output. Also apt-cache policy wine |
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| 13:42.29 | alsd | jelly: i was talking about salman's problem ;) |
| 13:43.14 | jelly | alsd: oh. how did you know it didn't install after that? |
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| 13:44.25 | salman | wine is installed. and winecfg is running.. thank you friends |
| 13:44.58 | alsd | jelly: well, that's what salman said |
| 13:45.09 | alsd | anyway |
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| 13:45.28 | jelly | where? |
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| 13:46.01 | jelly | salman: pastebin the command you're using and the complete output. Also apt-cache policy wine |
| 13:46.11 | jelly | so there. |
| 13:47.29 | bullgard4 | enouf: Thank you very much for commenting. |
| 13:47.31 | salman | jelly... it is working.. you still want that? |
| 13:47.36 | alsd | jelly: hum... just backlog a few lines up, it's ok now |
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| 13:48.09 | jelly | salman: never mind then! |
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| 13:48.21 | jelly | alsd: oh, I thought it was something new |
| 13:48.39 | themill | dpkg confuse jelly |
| 13:48.40 | dpkg | No, who are their bacon tomorrow, jelly? shirts of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra ham |
| 13:48.47 | th1 | I asked this in lvm but nobody there are awake so I'll try here: I am trying to make a lvm volume mirrored with "lvconvert -m1 vg/volume" but I keep getting "Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume : 512 more required" even though there are 2 pvs and one is completely empty. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 13:48.53 | jelly | themill: and me a vegetarian |
| 13:48.58 | themill | hehe |
| 13:49.35 | jelly | th1: is the other one completely full? |
| 13:49.50 | th1 | no, the other one has about 60GB of 250GB used |
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| 13:50.18 | jelly | was just a wild guess |
| 13:50.26 | th1 | ok.. |
| 13:50.40 | th1 | I guess if nobody can help with this I'll just have to do md-raid1+lvm |
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| 13:51.58 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 13:53.25 | alsd | th1: are the PVs marked as available? |
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| 13:53.27 | gypsymauro | I've installed debian lenny with gnome.. I usually lock the screen and when I come back i put my password into screen saver to access again, right now this doesn't works..I put the password and screensaver (or gdm) is still checking the password from about 10 mins.. any hint on ohw to recovery my session? I've many tools opened and I need to save something |
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| 13:53.53 | th1 | alsd, yes. I can create a normal volume on either one (tried to make sure). |
| 13:54.00 | gypsymauro | ok now is unlocked:) |
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| 13:55.15 | EugenMayer | where could i find the pdflib package for debian ? |
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| 13:56.40 | bolt-work | EugenMayer: what for? |
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| 13:57.28 | EugenMayer | dependencie |
| 13:57.36 | bolt-work | apt-cache search pdflib |
| 13:57.37 | bolt-work | ? |
| 13:57.37 | th1 | EugenMayer, it's not free so you have to buy it .. |
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| 13:58.01 | bolt-work | oh |
| 13:58.08 | empiric | jelly i follow that link to install and no errors during install |
| 13:58.22 | empiric | i have debain etch with me |
| 13:58.27 | hark | Posterdati: sorry wasn't here... they probably just subsidize the cost and make it on the ink ,, no way to do that on a dedicated scanner |
| 13:58.58 | alsd | th1: if i'm getting it right, mirrored is some sort of RAID1, so you must have twice the size of the original LV available? (just guessing) |
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| 13:59.01 | empiric | bolt-work what to do any idea? |
| 13:59.08 | hark | Posterdati: me, i just get it done for free at work ;) |
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| 13:59.23 | th1 | alsd, I have much more than that available |
| 13:59.32 | bolt-work | empiric: the hp thing? |
| 14:00.01 | th1 | EugenMayer, if you need the pdflib you can download the rpm version and use alien to install it |
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| 14:00.44 | EugenMayer | th1: what happened to pdflib actually? 6 month before i thought i could install it easily |
| 14:00.50 | hark | can one connect via network manager 0.7 without having to start X? |
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| 14:01.07 | th1 | EugenMayer, pdflib is a commercial product so not supported by Debian |
| 14:02.03 | Posterdati | hark: ??? |
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| 14:02.21 | empiric | yes the HP dp |
| 14:02.25 | empiric | bolt-work |
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| 14:03.30 | EugenMayer | where do i find th gs fonts under debian ? |
| 14:03.44 | EugenMayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.46 | bolt-work | empiric: could you repeat the exact scenario and the error message you get? it does install without errors, right? is it running? network communication ok? |
| 14:03.49 | th1 | EugenMayer, dpkg -L gsfonts |
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| 14:04.04 | EugenMayer | th1: thank you |
| 14:04.26 | empiric | yes install is all ok i can ping both way |
| 14:04.51 | empiric | dp server is on windows my debian etch is client i want to take backup of cleint |
| 14:04.56 | rvsjoen | I am able to print the test page from cups and print from f.ex firefox, but I am not able to print using lpr or enscript, lpq just says unknown printer, what is missing ? |
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| 14:05.46 | EugenMayer | th1: the package i search for is a php module ( pdflib.so ) actually. could it be php-fpdf? |
| 14:06.08 | rvsjoen | use apt-file to find it |
| 14:06.18 | hark | Posterdati: ah nm, just speculating why the photosmart is cheaper than the scanner alone |
| 14:06.19 | empiric | but when i try to connect it says windows client error |
| 14:06.25 | th1 | EugenMayer, it's a free one that doesn't need pdflib |
| 14:06.27 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure cups ? or http://localhost:631/admin and set it up? |
| 14:06.52 | EugenMayer | th1: well maybe thats the one i instaled |
| 14:06.56 | bolt-work | empiric: just that? "windows client error"? |
| 14:06.57 | EugenMayer | *instalked |
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| 14:08.00 | EugenMayer | rvsjoen: apt-file search pdflib.so |
| 14:08.06 | EugenMayer | does not return me a single package |
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| 14:08.12 | Posterdati | hark: with lcd on it and ethernet ... |
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| 14:08.44 | rvsjoen | apt-file search pdflib |
| 14:09.00 | rvsjoen | returns a few, dont know if its what you need |
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| 14:09.36 | empiric | bolt-work it says dp cleint supported but not connected windows client error |
| 14:10.13 | bolt-work | empiric: i have no idea why it would say that, sorry. you need the hp support forums, i think |
| 14:10.33 | themill | EugenMayer: php-fpdf is a php module for making pdfs. It's only written in php (no .so files). It also doesn't handle unicode. PHP's pdflib is a commercial library and so is not in debian |
| 14:11.10 | EugenMayer | themill: hmm, thank you |
| 14:11.10 | enouf | what a mess |
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| 14:11.36 | P4C0 | !webmin |
| 14:11.36 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 14:11.39 | themill | EugenMayer: tcpdf (on sourceforge) is a fork of fpdf that handles unicode and works quite well if you're looking around for an alternative |
| 14:11.54 | empiric | where |
| 14:12.09 | enouf | there! |
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| 14:12.44 | EugenMayer | themill: again thank you. Actually its a html2pdf script i wrote some time ago. I need to have a look what libs i really used |
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| 14:13.51 | themill | EugenMayer: ahh... now tcpdf can do html2pdf for you :) but that's not what you meant. http://uk3.php.net/manual/en/pdf.requirements.php mentions a sort-of-free "lite" version of php's pdflib |
| 14:14.54 | themill | EugenMayer: also look for other packages in debian that can do this, like htmldoc |
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| 14:17.20 | EugenMayer | themill: htmldoc is crap ( no CSS support yet ) |
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| 14:17.48 | simonrvn | !ops nergoza |
| 14:17.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: nergoza |
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| 14:17.49 | criten | nergoza: mind not sending me malformed DCC sends? |
| 14:17.54 | criten | !ops nergoza |
| 14:18.02 | jlindsay | nergoza: Knock it off |
| 14:18.06 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 14:18.48 | rasuaq | what was that from nergoza? |
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| 14:19.19 | simonrvn | trying an old exploit... |
| 14:19.37 | rasuaq | what would of happened if someone accepted it? |
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| 14:19.54 | petemc | rasuaq: their client would quit |
| 14:20.13 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, I have a cron job running that is messing up my php-syslog-ng setup every morning and I can't figure out where its starting from. The line I see right before it stops logging is... /USR/SBIN/CRON /USR/SBIN/CRON[3861]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )) |
| 14:20.15 | rasuaq | petemc: ok thanks for info |
| 14:20.31 | Heavy-D | i've checked in cron.daily but maybe i'm looking in the wrong place? |
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| 14:21.50 | autodeath | Heavy-D why does it stop loggin? Because of file permissions? |
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| 14:22.51 | Heavy-D | autodeath: I'm thinking it stops logging because it runs into a permissions problem... but right after that line above that I posted... this line shows up: CRON CRON[3860]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 14:23.08 | Vonor | anyone know the package name for the X11 dev libs? |
| 14:23.19 | Heavy-D | I just want to figure out where that is starting so that I can stop it for the mean time |
| 14:23.37 | autodeath | Heavy-D: I had similar problem with permissions. After logrotate. |
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| 14:24.49 | Heavy-D | autodeath: oh yeah? what was the problem for your situation |
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| 14:25.59 | EugenMayer | themill: looking at tcpdf right now, cant see the html2pdf support |
| 14:26.23 | afloofloo | I want to test raw lan network throughput (without involving reading files).. Anyone know of a simple way to do this, or a program to use? |
| 14:26.26 | autodeath | Heavy-D: I think that was a logrotate daemon creating a new file with permissions inconsistent with a log daemon |
| 14:26.46 | Heavy-D | autodeath: I see, I found where this job is starting from anyways |
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| 14:27.07 | autodeath | i used a POSTROTATE option for that to implicitly set the owner and permission for the file as I can remember well |
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| 14:28.22 | autodeath | check the logrotate config for that particular log file. Hope it helps you |
| 14:28.33 | Heavy-D | autodeath: Cool thanks |
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| 14:29.18 | alsd | afloofloo: iptraf is your friend |
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| 14:30.05 | themill | EugenMayer: then look harder :) e.g. example 6 |
| 14:31.05 | EugenMayer | themill: but it seems that the CSS support is quite "basic" |
| 14:31.38 | themill | EugenMayer: you're trying to embed a web browser in a PHP script... it can only do so much |
| 14:32.19 | EugenMayer | themill: nobody talked about browsers :) |
| 14:33.28 | themill | EugenMayer: you seem to want a little php script to do everything a browser does though. If CSS and HTML rendering were easy, even IE6 would be able to do it. |
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| 14:34.12 | soul9 | re |
| 14:34.23 | EugenMayer | themill: seriuosly i nearly anthing was right but "even IE6 would be able to do it." that must be a joke |
| 14:34.26 | soul9 | well, here is what i set, but it doesn't seem to work: |
| 14:34.40 | soul9 | Package: libidzebra-2.0-mod-text libidzebra-2.0-modules yaz yaz-doc |
| 14:34.41 | soul9 | Pin: release a=testing |
| 14:34.41 | soul9 | Pin-Priority: 1600 |
| 14:34.48 | EugenMayer | themill: even if there would be an OS comand line tool for generating all PDfs IE would not use it |
| 14:34.58 | soul9 | i want these packages to be downloaded from this repository, and none else |
| 14:35.02 | EugenMayer | themill: the one i use right now works quite good with css 2 |
| 14:35.20 | soul9 | in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 14:37.55 | jelly | Pin-Priority: 1600 WTF |
| 14:38.07 | sepult | can someone tell me why bash (version 4.2) crashes everytime after a while ? |
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| 14:38.45 | jelly | sepult: there is no bash 4.2 in debian |
| 14:39.03 | jelly | judd: versions bash |
| 14:39.04 | judd | jelly: bash -- etch: 3.1dfsg-8 lenny: 3.2-4 sid: 3.2-4 |
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| 14:39.57 | sepult | uuups sorry jelly, i meant 3.2-4, but i'm on lenny i don't know how it got there, over experimental perhaps... |
| 14:40.04 | sepult | hrmmm |
| 14:40.30 | rwaite | i have a question: i installed lenny using the rc netinst disc, and used the gui - it looks nice, but it seems to work exactly the same as the text-based installer, just with lots of pink. are there any plans to introduce any improvements on this in the future? |
| 14:40.50 | sepult | but the problem remains with 3.1dfsg-8, so i think it's something else, but don't know further, that's why i ask here |
| 14:41.01 | liable | rwaite: like what? |
| 14:41.14 | jelly | sepult: how does it crash? |
| 14:41.15 | themill | rwaite: it is designed to be exactly the same as the text installer but with some more graphics and a mouse |
| 14:41.24 | rwaite | nothing in particular, it just seems a bit superfluous. |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | rwaite: patches welcome! |
| 14:41.25 | jelly | and pink. |
| 14:41.44 | abrotman | rwaite: to be fair .. i agree with you .. it's roughly the same installer, but clicky .. serves no real purpose |
| 14:41.48 | jelly | rwaite: some locales only work in graphics |
| 14:41.49 | rwaite | ok, so it's just a step in a more 'modern' direction. i'm not criticizing, it's nice. just wondering what the goals of it are to be |
| 14:41.50 | liable | i guess it is really |
| 14:41.57 | themill | jelly: we have to keep in touch with our geeky feminine side some how |
| 14:42.04 | rwaite | jelly: that's a good point |
| 14:42.16 | sepult | jelly: just like a segfault, without any output for diagnosing .... |
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| 14:42.40 | jelly | sepult: where are your core files? |
| 14:42.45 | themill | rwaite: people keep complaining that the text installer was too hard to use. Put a clicky front end on it and all of a sudden they're happy |
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| 14:43.22 | rwaite | yeah. i like it, looks nice. it looks like gtk, is it? |
| 14:43.24 | sepult | jelly: what do you mean by corefiles ? |
| 14:43.49 | jelly | sepult: core files. memory dumps left behind when a process segfaults |
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| 14:44.30 | rwaite | i do have a suggestion, though. i think they are using the wrong font at the top for "GNU/Linux". is there a place for suggestions like that? |
| 14:44.32 | sepult | jelly: none such left behind here, that's why i wonder, is it a segfault is it not ?... |
| 14:44.36 | jelly | sepult: what does "ulimit -c" say? |
| 14:44.41 | sepult | wait |
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| 14:45.05 | sepult | jelly: it tells me 0 |
| 14:45.13 | liable | rwaite: yup, you can file a bug against installation-report package, or discuss on debian-boot mailing list |
| 14:45.20 | jelly | sepult: oh, so those are disabled by default |
| 14:45.40 | rwaite | i might just do that, thanks. |
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| 14:45.47 | themill | rwaite: remember that whatever fonts are used need to be free and need to be small files so they can fit on the installation media |
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| 14:46.14 | rwaite | is the resolution of the gui set, or does it pick it dynamically? |
| 14:46.17 | sepult | jelly: i didn't do any thing with ulimit or corefiles, everything here is pinned to be tracked by testing repo or lenny.. |
| 14:46.19 | jelly | sepult: run "ulimit -c unlimited"; start another bash from that very same shell. make it segfault. a file named "core" should appear in its working directory |
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| 14:47.00 | rwaite | i ask because maybe rasterizing a non-free font would be acceptable? |
| 14:47.13 | jelly | sepult: this has nothing to do with the packaging system, but basic linux features for limits and debugging |
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| 14:47.35 | rwaite | or maybe svg :~\ |
| 14:47.39 | jelly | rwaite: like the debian logo one? |
| 14:47.53 | sepult | jelly: how do i make it segfault ? |
| 14:48.01 | jelly | sepult: I don't know, you tell me |
| 14:48.06 | soul9 | jelly: does it matter? |
| 14:48.14 | jelly | do whatever you do to make it die |
| 14:48.24 | soul9 | it has to be over 1000, other than that i didn't see any constraints on this |
| 14:48.36 | rwaite | is the logo svg? i'm installing this in vmware and there is some weird antialiasing on the logo. |
| 14:48.37 | jelly | sepult: if it means waiting, then wait |
| 14:48.47 | sepult | jelly: i don't do anything, it's dying after a while itself... |
| 14:48.50 | sepult | ok |
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| 14:51.58 | jelly | sepult: if other apps die, you might have a hardware problem. |
| 14:52.55 | sepult | jelly: the only thing i can think of would be acpi thingy... |
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| 14:52.59 | jelly | sepult: what's the output of "free"? |
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| 14:53.28 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.28 | sepult | Mem: 2075992 987024 1088968 0 71036 621560 |
| 14:53.28 | sepult | -/+ buffers/cache: 294428 1781564 |
| 14:53.28 | sepult | Swap: 0 0 0 |
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| 14:53.44 | sepult | sorry |
| 14:53.55 | jelly | so you have enough free memory |
| 14:54.02 | sepult | yes |
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| 14:56.25 | rwaite | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:56.56 | homecable | http://pastebin.com/m73686db |
| 14:57.02 | rwaite | whoa, i'd like to file a bug against debhelper. that was clearly a paste from "!wc checklist.txt" and yet i remain |
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| 14:58.18 | petemc | rwaite: it was only one line, what are you talking about? |
| 14:58.48 | rwaite | hmm. so if i run my commands through a script to nip newlines, i'm good? |
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| 14:59.07 | rwaite | cat /opt/staroffice/staroffice.bin here we come |
| 14:59.20 | petemc | dont be stupid |
| 14:59.21 | valdyn | rwaite: that will be truncated anyway |
| 14:59.27 | themill | rwaite: IRC has a line length limit |
| 14:59.27 | rwaite | oh shucks. |
| 14:59.35 | jelly | rwaite: for lines kick |
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| 14:59.42 | jelly | four*, even |
| 14:59.47 | rwaite | i see. |
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| 14:59.56 | rwaite | man it is snowing bad here in ohio |
| 15:00.00 | valdyn | rwaite: nothing wrong with pasting long lines anyway |
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| 15:00.16 | jelly | they get truncated though |
| 15:00.34 | jelly | turns echo off |
| 15:00.39 | themill | and a pastebin is usually easier for everyone to use because it doesn't disappear into the backlog |
| 15:00.56 | jelly | pastebin isn't /lastlog searchable |
| 15:01.11 | petemc | hands jelly ^f |
| 15:01.19 | kyrix | some clients don't like flooding, and break the flow of a conversation if somebody pastes a whole bunch of code |
| 15:01.36 | themill | search as you type exists in modern browsers |
| 15:01.43 | rwaite | i like the pasting services. is there something like a script to pipe commands into and submit to a pasting service automatically? |
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| 15:01.54 | vaq | How do I remove apt packages from the apt-get install queue ? |
| 15:01.54 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 15:01.54 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 15:01.57 | valdyn | rwaite: ^^ |
| 15:02.15 | themill | !wayttd vaq |
| 15:02.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, vaq? |
| 15:02.18 | rwaite | interesting |
| 15:02.31 | valdyn | rwaite: oh, more like that last <paste2pastebin pipe> is what you wanted |
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| 15:02.43 | rwaite | heh, i missed your post themill, i thought dpkg had become self-aware |
| 15:03.03 | jelly | themill: my irc client doesn't integrate pastebin in any way; it could be integrated to show it on mouseover, or to be able to do searches on relevant pastes, but they're completely isolated at present |
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| 15:03.05 | themill | rwaite: there's also a pastebinit package in lenny or you can pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234" |
| 15:03.29 | rwaite | nifty, this is why irc rocks |
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| 15:04.00 | valdyn | paste.dyndns.org [62.142.186.161] 1234 (?) : Connection refused |
| 15:04.25 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 15:04.25 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 15:04.33 | jelly | eh, the same one :-| |
| 15:05.32 | themill | :( |
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| 15:09.40 | enouf | 1234 needs an update |
| 15:09.55 | homecable | http://pastebin.com/m73686db |
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| 15:10.20 | abrotman | !tell homecable about search |
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| 15:10.27 | abrotman | !tell homecable about apt-file |
| 15:10.30 | themill | enouf: it's not really #debian's paste service so we don't find out when the port changes. Is there a new port? |
| 15:10.41 | homecable | abrotman ? |
| 15:10.49 | abrotman | read it? |
| 15:11.06 | enouf | themill: no idea, just noticed a few days ago it wasn't working anymore - so i resort to my old standby perl script to pastebin.ca :-) |
| 15:11.11 | valdyn | zlib.h is in the kernel |
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| 15:11.40 | themill | enouf: :( |
| 15:11.44 | enouf | accuses abrotman of answering cold pastes :-P |
| 15:11.46 | valdyn | and Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.28.2/Documentation/lguest is fucked up, why would the build system do *anything* with Documentation |
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| 15:12.34 | enouf | something about docbook? |
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| 15:16.11 | valdyn | homecable: what are you trying to build how? give the commands too, not just the error |
| 15:16.30 | themill | (and why!) |
| 15:16.43 | valdyn | homecable: and why the hell are you doing it in /usr/src ? |
| 15:17.01 | valdyn | homecable: thats ok *only* if you added yourself to the src group and are not doing it as root |
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| 15:19.40 | rwaite | okay, so i s/lenny/sid/ in sources.list and updated/dist-upgraded, and only like 13 packages were upgraded |
| 15:19.44 | rwaite | am i doing it wrong? |
| 15:19.58 | valdyn | rwaite: sid is almost the same as lenny at the moment |
| 15:20.25 | rwaite | is that just something that happens from time to time? or does it have something to do with the upcoming release |
| 15:20.46 | valdyn | rwaite: sid is packages for testing |
| 15:20.55 | valdyn | twouters: testing right now only gets bugfixes |
| 15:20.59 | valdyn | gah |
| 15:21.04 | valdyn | rwaite: ^^^ |
| 15:21.08 | rwaite | i thought sid was the first place they went, then carried over to lenny when god says its ok |
| 15:21.15 | valdyn | rwaite: wrong |
| 15:21.28 | rwaite | well yes, i know lenny is frozen right now |
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| 15:21.50 | rwaite | (thats why i expected more changes) |
| 15:22.08 | valdyn | rwaite: most of the time lenny has no special requirements which is why anything pretty much can go into sid |
| 15:22.22 | rwaite | hmm. |
| 15:22.34 | Trewas | I am using up-to-date testing (and some extra packages), and upgrade to unstable offers 213 packages... so testing and unstable are not _that_ close now, even with freeze |
| 15:22.35 | valdyn | rwaite: but right now its quite restricted... |
| 15:22.55 | valdyn | Trewas: 213 out of a few k packages i would guess |
| 15:22.57 | rwaite | well im just trying to install kde4.2 :) so hopefully it goes well |
| 15:23.09 | abrotman | rwaite: that's not in unstable |
| 15:23.17 | rwaite | its in experimental |
| 15:23.19 | homecable | lguest.c:34:18: error: zlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | just making sure you knew |
| 15:23.24 | homecable | i'm using testing |
| 15:23.31 | valdyn | homecable: you need to cooperate with us to get help |
| 15:23.32 | abrotman | homecable: ask ##kernel if you want to compile your own kernel |
| 15:23.32 | homecable | what lib do i need to install ? |
| 15:23.33 | rwaite | abrotman: thanks tho |
| 15:23.54 | valdyn | homecable: 16:16 < valdyn> homecable: what are you trying to build how? give the commands too, not just the error |
| 15:23.56 | Trewas | valdyn: 1094 installed, I have no idea how much larger the difference is in "normal" times |
| 15:24.19 | valdyn | Trewas: quite alot of packages in your case then, i thought it was closer |
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| 15:24.38 | themill | Trewas: less than that. Normally testing and unstable are about the same but lenny is starting to diverge from sid due to the freeze. |
| 15:24.58 | valdyn | uh |
| 15:25.01 | abrotman | be better if valdyn would just get off his bum and fix the rest of the RC bugs ... |
| 15:25.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:25.30 | valdyn | new rc bugs i mostly never even heared of the packages |
| 15:25.40 | themill | Trewas: Note that some of those packages might be almost the same, it's just that they were uploaded to lenny through testing-security or testing-proposed-updates so they could be built in a lenny environment rather than in sid. |
| 15:25.45 | abrotman | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 15:26.17 | rwaite | i need to take a vacation so i can read through all the documentation so i understand how this stuff works |
| 15:26.24 | abrotman | wonders the difference between "FREEZE" and "FROZEN" |
| 15:27.35 | stoned | good morning |
| 15:27.39 | stoned | abrotman, tense |
| 15:27.43 | tdeath | wake and bake |
| 15:27.56 | abrotman | stoned: on the website.. try actually looking at the context |
| 15:28.00 | rwaite | lol, wake and bake |
| 15:28.05 | stoned | I just popped in man |
| 15:28.11 | abrotman | you have backscroll |
| 15:28.22 | stoned | not for another half hour I don't. |
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| 15:28.30 | abrotman | then why answer .. |
| 15:28.57 | stoned | then why make a big deal .. |
| 15:29.41 | rwaite | lol i am confused |
| 15:29.50 | abrotman | useless answers ... |
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| 15:30.30 | stoned | sounds like you're having a fantastic morning. |
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| 15:30.39 | stoned | :) |
| 15:31.08 | abrotman | fine til you decided you thought you knew |
| 15:31.14 | rwaite | says in his head, "sounds like somebody's got a case of the mondays... or wednesdays" |
| 15:31.42 | stoned | wow.. didn't know I had that kind of an effect on your day. |
| 15:31.58 | stoned | sorry to have ruined it. |
| 15:32.00 | stoned | *afk* |
| 15:32.22 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:33.05 | rwaite | lol |
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| 15:33.27 | kevin7kal | in gnome-terminal, is there a way to detect which pts a particular tab is? |
| 15:33.32 | rwaite | abrotman: isn't there a hypothesis or a fractal or something named after you |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | mandelbrot set or something like that |
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| 15:34.13 | rwaite | aha, i think you have it |
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| 15:34.43 | abrotman | kevin7kal: 'tty' ? |
| 15:35.01 | kevin7kal | abrotman: yes, thanks! |
| 15:35.04 | rwaite | gah, apt complains when i try to install kde4 from experimental |
| 15:35.13 | abrotman | rwaite: ask #debian-kde please |
| 15:35.19 | rwaite | i will |
| 15:35.26 | rwaite | j #debian-kde |
| 15:35.28 | rwaite | oops |
| 15:36.00 | stew | abrotman: FREEZE is 'frozen becuase of the general freeze'. FROZEN is 'frozen by a specific hint on this package by a RM' |
| 15:36.39 | v4nelle | guys there is any tutorial to setup lamp which have some security settings includes? |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | stew: did you steal that from your ftpmaster manual? :) |
| 15:37.52 | stew | no, since that would be in the release team's manual if anywhere :) |
| 15:38.21 | abrotman | stew: i figured it was something like that, but didn't see it on that page |
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| 15:45.51 | ringo999 | how can i see what user my local apache server is executed/run by? |
| 15:46.08 | petemc | ps aux|grep apa |
| 15:46.19 | tdeath | what if it's httpd |
| 15:46.23 | petemc | its not |
| 15:46.30 | tdeath | orite this is debian |
| 15:47.11 | tdeath | please excuse my inattentiveness, it's been 48 hours since I slept. |
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| 15:50.43 | niklauz | hi, if i want to install testing, unstable, or experimental where do i start? |
| 15:50.56 | niklauz | are there iso's for these or do i need to install stable and upgrade? |
| 15:51.36 | rwaite | there's probably a dpkg ! to cover this, but i don't know it |
| 15:51.39 | bolt-work | niklauz: if you just google for install lenny or similar, you'll find the lenny installers |
| 15:51.49 | bolt-work | niklauz: you don't want unstable or experimental |
| 15:52.31 | niklauz | bolt-work: well i'd like to try it |
| 15:52.47 | niklauz | i'll look up the installers, i'm just not sure whats normal |
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| 15:53.14 | bolt-work | niklauz: unstable and experimental is not for general users |
| 15:53.26 | bolt-work | !unstable |
| 15:53.26 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 15:53.56 | niklauz | bolt-work: i know that, i'd just want to play with it |
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| 15:54.14 | bolt-work | niklauz: you figure out how to install that then |
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| 15:56.02 | kyrix | niklauz: and testing/unstable is not very different from a stable, except that certain packages are newer and havent been tested. |
| 15:56.05 | Nwallins | is there a recipe for grepping through a csv file, filtering only by a single "column" (i.e. match if FOO appears in column 2, don't match if FOO only appears in column 3) ? |
| 15:56.37 | niklauz | bolt-work: i will, i'm just looking for general direction, if it's typically an iso or a net-upgrade, and if there are pro's and con's to each |
| 15:56.37 | kyrix | niklauz: so you can either install a testing or unstable system from scratch, or just start out with a stable system and install certain packages from testing / unstable |
| 15:56.45 | valdyn | Nwallins: #bash |
| 15:57.14 | autodeath | awk? |
| 15:57.22 | kyrix | nikauz: downgrading is a bit easier on a stable system with unstable packages. |
| 15:57.31 | niklauz | kyrix: so the install method doesn't matter once it's installed because it's regular debian, right? |
| 15:57.50 | valdyn | Nwallins: you match *,<text>,* for instance, no need to think in columns when it implies seperators |
| 15:58.02 | niklauz | in that case, i should pick the method that seems the most appropriate in my case? |
| 15:58.02 | kyrix | niklauz: more or less. but downgrading is not always easy. |
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| 15:58.33 | soul9 | hi |
| 15:58.33 | kyrix | yes. i would just install a testing from iso and go from there |
| 15:58.34 | Nwallins | valdyn: yes, but that will pick up FOO in the 3rd position ("column") |
| 15:58.38 | niklauz | i know my question is weird, i'm basically asking if there are monsters under the bed :) |
| 15:59.00 | kyrix | testing is stable enough for testing. its almost stable enough for production mostly. |
| 15:59.05 | soul9 | anyone where i could get a hold of the file /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so, and some others of the same type? |
| 15:59.05 | Nwallins | valdyn: i am concerned only with rows that have FOO in 2nd position; #bash says awk is what i want |
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| 15:59.12 | soul9 | skype won't work without it ;( |
| 15:59.25 | soul9 | i didn't know there was no 64bit version of skype ;-( |
| 15:59.40 | valdyn | Nwallins: awk or sed or egrep |
| 15:59.53 | valdyn | Nwallins: i meant rgrep |
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| 16:00.05 | Nwallins | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 16:00.08 | niklauz | kyrix: so if i install etch, and then lenny is moved to stable, will i automagically dist-upgrade to lenny? |
| 16:00.33 | valdyn | niklauz: no |
| 16:00.35 | autodeath | awk '$2 ~ /FOO/ {print whatever_column_you_need}' ... or something like that |
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| 16:01.05 | Nwallins | autodeath: thx, never used awk before. good to have a starting point |
| 16:01.22 | autodeath | http://www.sap-basis-abap.com/unix/awk-one-liner-tips.htm |
| 16:01.32 | niklauz | that seems like motivation to go with lenny, since it's expected to be marked stable fairly soon |
| 16:01.33 | valdyn | niklauz: if your sources.list uses "etch" it will stay at etch, if it uses "stable" it will move and upgrade to whatever is the current stable |
| 16:01.37 | autodeath | http://www.ee.ucl.ac.uk/~hamed/misc/awk1line.txt |
| 16:01.42 | Nwallins | autodeath: awk infers the delimiter? |
| 16:01.56 | niklauz | valdyn: awesome, that is exactly what i was wondering :) |
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| 16:02.16 | valdyn | niklauz: codenames is much safer anyway |
| 16:02.27 | valdyn | niklauz: serious upgrades you want to know about and possibly prepare for |
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| 16:02.37 | niklauz | valdyn: i see |
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| 16:03.48 | Nwallins | autodeath: by the way, i want the whole row returned if the 2nd position matches. i'm not looking to, e.g. `cut` |
| 16:04.00 | niklauz | valdyn: when upgrading is there any difference between replacing etch with (lenny||stable) after lenny is marked stable? it is basically a symbolic link right? |
| 16:04.09 | autodeath | Nwallins: I think it's a tab default and settable by -F ... but check some awk howto, it helps you and use the links as an example of inline awk use |
| 16:04.22 | Nwallins | ok |
| 16:04.28 | autodeath | whole line is {print $0} |
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| 16:05.03 | autodeath | $0 is line, numbers are columns ... chek howto, will be clear to use the basic use shortly |
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| 16:05.11 | autodeath | to you |
| 16:05.24 | negge | anyone know if there's a way to get mplayer utilize all cores and not just one? |
| 16:05.54 | niklauz | how much turbulence should i expect when moving between releases, etch -> lenny for example? |
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| 16:07.35 | niklauz | [i meant to say] ... when moving betweene stable release? |
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| 16:07.53 | Iraklis | hi fellows, i am wondering if there is any repo with the latest version of mono and monodevelop. Thanks! |
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| 16:10.53 | dkr | niklauz: depends on the weather |
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| 16:15.35 | Ward1983 | why does debian forward /var/www to /var/www/apache2-default ? |
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| 16:15.37 | Ward1983 | it makes no sense |
| 16:15.44 | Ward1983 | how can i remove it please i cannot ifnd a solution with google |
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| 16:19.10 | Iraklis | i think that you have to edit the appache config |
| 16:19.17 | Iraklis | apache* |
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| 16:19.43 | Iraklis | so you the default directory its not /var/www/apache2-default/ |
| 16:20.30 | themill | !apache it works |
| 16:20.30 | dpkg | To set up your new apache: a2dissite default; cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; sed 's/RedirectMatch/#RedirectMatch/' <default >local; a2ensite local; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
| 16:20.30 | stew | Ward1983: see /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 16:20.59 | Ward1983 | stew, thanx |
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| 16:23.09 | sladi | Hi! Is a 2.6.28 kernel available? I can't find any on the packet search site. I can't even find 2.6.27. |
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| 16:25.20 | synx | How do you find all packages that provide a certain thing? |
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| 16:25.51 | stew | synx: "apt-cache showpkg certainthing" will list them in the "Reverse Provides:" section |
| 16:26.23 | valdyn | sladi: not |
| 16:26.42 | stew | sladi: 2.6.26 is the latest in debian. http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/ would have newer, but they could be very buggy and completely untested |
| 16:26.53 | valdyn | i wonder why they dont make later releases available via experimental though |
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| 16:27.18 | trumpen | synx, aptitude search '~Pcertain thing' |
| 16:27.19 | sladi | valdyn, stew: Thank you! :) |
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| 16:27.47 | dkr | valdyn: moving target |
| 16:27.51 | synx | trumpen: thanks :) |
| 16:27.58 | valdyn | oh, indeed, there is newer kernel |
| 16:27.59 | trumpen | synx, yw |
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| 16:28.26 | synx | stew: sorry that doesn't work... apt-cache showpkg xdm has no reverse-provides, even though it along with kdm and gdm all provide x-display-manager |
| 16:29.33 | stew | synx: apt-cache showpkg x-display-manager |
| 16:29.35 | dkr | didn't you just answer your own question? |
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| 16:30.38 | synx | stew: ohh gotcha. Thanks too then! |
| 16:31.28 | Peanut | I've got a Debian Etch machine, but I've now installed a 2.6.26.8-rt13 kernel on it. Seems to boot fine, until it gets to 'Waiting for root filesystem'. It seems that somewhere between Etch and current kernels (incl. e.g. Lenny) the kernel starts using different names for harddisks (sda vs hda) - what would be a good way to fix that, so I can boot both kernels from grub? |
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| 16:32.05 | themill | ! waiting for the root filesystem |
| 16:32.05 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the libata transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the grub menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root> |
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| 16:32.40 | stew | Peanut: in both /etc/fstab and menu.lst, instead of using device names such as "/dev/hda1" use a uuid like "UUID=1234-1234-1234" |
| 16:32.52 | Peanut | Oh, it's a FAQ even.. thanks :0) |
| 16:32.57 | valdyn | Peanut: menu.lst has autogenerated entries and manual entries, you would have to make hda or sda manual |
| 16:33.15 | stew | Peanut: "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" will help you discover the uuids |
| 16:33.32 | valdyn | oh uuid |
| 16:34.07 | valdyn | not all fs have that feature |
| 16:34.42 | stew | valdyn: any that someone is likely to be using for / ? |
| 16:34.49 | tziku | Hello. I have a SERVER and a COMPUTER. SERVER have internet from optical cable. And COMPUTER from SERVER.My problem is: I i have ping reply from all sites from SERVER but from COMPUTER i don't have ping reply from some sites (ex. webmin.com , scanalert.com). My server config is: http://pastebin.com/d2eb536b and my COMPUTER ip is 89.33.107.10 with gw 89.33.107.1 (SERVER). |
| 16:35.01 | valdyn | stew: i dont really know, probably xfs |
| 16:35.38 | vaq | How do I forge apt-get not to install a package? dpkg? |
| 16:35.39 | valdyn | stew: reiserfs? |
| 16:35.48 | stew | valdyn: (i have no idea) |
| 16:36.06 | valdyn | i dont even know if debian still reports reiserfs in the installer |
| 16:36.07 | stew | vaq: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:36.14 | valdyn | *supports* |
| 16:36.19 | vaq | stew: hold back a package from being installed |
| 16:36.26 | stew | vaq: which? why? |
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| 16:36.45 | Peanut | Actually, on the stock Etch kernel I only see /dev/sdaX drives, so "/dev/hd drives might now be known as /dev/sd" doesn't seem to apply to me? |
| 16:36.51 | hargut | hello |
| 16:37.07 | valdyn | Peanut: sure, that is possible |
| 16:37.22 | themill | dpkg, waiting for the root filesystem is also <uuid> |
| 16:37.22 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 16:37.28 | vaq | stew: Until I fix a selinux rule which I can only fix by instaling a new package, but there are two failing packages in the apt queue right now (-f install) i need to keep them back from being installed for a few minutes |
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| 16:38.20 | stew | vaq: and what is prventing you from installing the new package? |
| 16:38.22 | valdyn | Peanut: the usual cause for your error is that you made a mistake creating that new kernel package |
| 16:38.40 | valdyn | Peanut: like forgetting a driver, or the initrd |
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| 16:38.49 | vaq | stew: apt-get is failing with the two packages before it can install the new one, they are not depending on each other |
| 16:38.57 | stew | vaq: which packages? |
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| 16:39.10 | stew | vaq: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:39.17 | Peanut | valdyn: ah, good point. Well, I did do a 'make oldconfig' before doing a menuconfig, so it should have the same drivers as the kernel I started out with? |
| 16:39.21 | vaq | stew: libmysqlclient15off |
| 16:39.26 | valdyn | vaq: yes |
| 16:39.40 | valdyn | gah |
| 16:39.43 | valdyn | Peanut: yes |
| 16:39.48 | Peanut | And I see both a vmlinuz-2.6.26.8-rt13 and a initrd.img-2.6.26.8-rt13 in /boot |
| 16:40.19 | vaq | echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 16:40.22 | vaq | is what I needed |
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| 16:41.04 | valdyn | Peanut: do you have more than 1 disk controller? |
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| 16:42.54 | Peanut | No, single disk, single controller afaik. lspci lists Intel 82801G IDE Controller (that only has the CDrom) and 82801GB/GR/GH Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (which has the only harddisk connected to it) |
| 16:43.42 | valdyn | Peanut: your error drops you to a busybox prompt, does it not? |
| 16:44.07 | Peanut | No, although perhaps I didn't wait long enough. |
| 16:44.53 | Peanut | I can certainly try that again, would I be able to run e.g. 'lsmod' from busybox? |
| 16:44.55 | valdyn | Peanut: that controller should at least have ata_piix and piix as driver options |
| 16:45.22 | Peanut | valdyn: sorry, I have no idea what you mean there :-) |
| 16:45.37 | themill | aiui , the initrd hasn't been found at that stage -- you haven't got out of grub yet |
| 16:46.04 | valdyn | Peanut: piix provides /dev/hd* and ata_piix provides /dev/sd* |
| 16:46.32 | valdyn | Peanut: i neither know which you have compiled in nor which one has preference in your new kernel |
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| 16:46.58 | valdyn | Peanut: grep -i piix /boot/config* should give some info |
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| 16:47.37 | Peanut | valdyn: ah, so my disks could be either named /dev/hd* if it chooses piix, and might end up as /dev/sd* with ata_piix, I see. |
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| 16:47.58 | valdyn | Peanut: yes |
| 16:48.33 | Peanut | Seems to be PIIX then: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=m, CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m, those are the only two entries, no mention of ata_piix |
| 16:48.55 | valdyn | Peanut: for both kernels? |
| 16:49.12 | valdyn | Peanut: 3rd option for intel hardware is ahci btw |
| 16:49.20 | valdyn | Peanut: i cant tell which one is yours |
| 16:49.50 | Peanut | That was for the new (-rt) kernel. My current (stock Etch) kernel has: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=m, CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=m, CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m |
| 16:50.23 | valdyn | Peanut: so new is defenitely =hd*, old=probably sd*, |
| 16:51.20 | valdyn | Peanut: unless blk_dev_piix does not support your hardware at all... |
| 16:51.36 | Peanut | Yes, I see. And it seems that CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX is no longer in the tree, as it is not mentioned at all in my new kernel? |
| 16:52.03 | Peanut | Old is certainly /dev/sd* as that is what I'm currently using. |
| 16:52.10 | valdyn | Peanut: its just renamed to CONFIG_ATA_PIIX |
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| 16:53.08 | valdyn | Peanut: and you did the wrong thing when running make oldconfig and the script prompted due to that new config option |
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| 16:53.42 | Peanut | Ah, what should I have done instead? |
| 16:53.54 | valdyn | Peanut: Y or m instead of N |
| 16:54.35 | Peanut | Oh, when an entry has 'N' then it doesn't show up in /boot/config* ? |
| 16:54.48 | valdyn | Peanut: no, not exactly |
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| 16:55.12 | valdyn | Peanut: # CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX is not set <- is the result of N |
| 16:55.40 | Posterdati | hark: please help, xsane won't load network scanner config |
| 16:55.59 | Peanut | valdyn: Even that is not in my 2.26.26.8-rt13 kernel config. |
| 16:56.12 | valdyn | Peanut: unset options may or may not show like a showed above that is configurable too |
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| 16:57.45 | Peanut | valdyn: Going through menuconfig now to see what I need to enable |
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| 16:59.10 | valdyn | Peanut: why are you using an rt kernel? |
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| 17:00.19 | Peanut | valdyn: doing networking research, trying to see if we can do proper spacing of data packets on 1GbE and 10GbE interfaces without using a busyloop to set the proper inter-packet-delay |
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| 17:02.44 | Peanut | For instance, I need to send data at 512Mb/s. Source is a machine with a 1Ge interface, but the bottleneck speed is a 622Mb/s lightpath. If I don't do proper spacing, we will be 'bursting' every time we get a timeslice. And doing a tight loop for the delay just wastes too many CPU resources. |
| 17:03.38 | eanda | hi all, I have installed my own gdmtheme and everything is perfect except that in the login manager the theme is listed but shows a different screen shot than the one in my theme. Seems to choose it randomely from the installed theme. Does anyone know how to fix this |
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| 17:04.16 | Salusborne | hi |
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| 17:04.25 | Salusborne | when i write women and leave out words |
| 17:04.35 | valdyn | Peanut: sounds like a winmodem version of a network card |
| 17:04.35 | Salusborne | for instance, if i leave out the word "a" |
| 17:04.46 | valdyn | Peanut: thats it? |
| 17:04.54 | Salusborne | well, i find that they don't treat me any worse after reading a sloppy e-mail by me |
| 17:04.54 | Peanut | valdyn: huh? |
| 17:04.57 | Salusborne | why is that? |
| 17:05.26 | adama_ | Salusborne: check the man page |
| 17:05.30 | valdyn | Peanut: i have no idea really, but i thought this stuff was done by the nic, not by linux |
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| 17:05.39 | Athunye | Hello. |
| 17:05.48 | themill | Salusborne: I think you might be in the wrong channel. Try #defocus |
| 17:06.16 | Athunye | Is there a way to not allow the boot messages and any other things to show up in the video monitor ? |
| 17:06.32 | valdyn | Athunye: whats the point of that? |
| 17:06.37 | Peanut | valdyn: the nic only wants to send out the packets as fast as it can, which is linerate. Which is fine if all your network runs at that speed, but you get into real trouble if there's a bottleneck with a lower speed. |
| 17:07.07 | valdyn | Peanut: i see |
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| 17:07.54 | Athunye | valdyn: To avoid some not trusted people to see what is going on. That way, only the admin could se what happens, by ssh or something like that. |
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| 17:08.21 | valdyn | Athunye: first think is quiet option to the kernel |
| 17:08.24 | valdyn | Athunye: first thing is quiet option to the kernel |
| 17:08.27 | Salusborne | who owns the us federal reserve? |
| 17:08.29 | Ace2016_- | how do i edit the output of lsb_release -a? |
| 17:08.33 | Salusborne | elites like david rocekfeller. |
| 17:08.44 | valdyn | Salusborne: stop please |
| 17:08.53 | Athunye | valdyn: OK. Thanks. |
| 17:09.07 | Salusborne | the fed has private stockholders, like david rocekfeller. |
| 17:09.10 | themill | Salusborne: do you have a question related to debian support? If not, please be silent. |
| 17:09.22 | Peanut | valdyn: any hints on which option in menuconfig I'm missing? I've been going through it, but no joy. |
| 17:09.26 | stew | Salusborne: you appear to be in the wrong channel. this channel is for end user support of debian only. if you want social chat, try #defocus or #debian-offtopic. |
| 17:09.30 | Ace2016_- | i tried man lsb_release but it seems to only give out info rather than allow editing |
| 17:09.46 | valdyn | Peanut: device drivers -> |
| 17:10.04 | valdyn | Peanut: Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers -> |
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| 17:10.37 | valdyn | Peanut: Intel ESB, ICH, PIIX3, PIIX4 PATA/SATA support |
| 17:10.57 | valdyn | Peanut: and straight M where you can |
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| 17:11.20 | Peanut | On this kernel, there are no entries underneath 'Seria ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers |
| 17:11.37 | valdyn | Peanut: thats possible, i am looking at .28 |
| 17:12.06 | valdyn | Peanut: if there is no similar entry then its in scsi iirc |
| 17:12.10 | Peanut | valdyn: But I can include the whole thing, either as a mod or static - or would that be useless? |
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| 17:12.24 | n-iCe | Hello |
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| 17:12.27 | Ace2016_- | ~ |
| 17:12.33 | valdyn | Peanut: oh i misunderstood you |
| 17:12.55 | valdyn | Peanut: the entries underneath Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers are only selectable after you M or Y that entry |
| 17:13.06 | valdyn | Peanut: M is fine |
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| 17:13.21 | Peanut | Ah, that helped *laugh* |
| 17:13.49 | Salusborne | david can be 120 on his deathbed and he would have a line-up like you wouldn't believe |
| 17:13.58 | n-iCe | For a Intel Core 2 Duo 1.5ghz what version should I download? |
| 17:14.02 | n-iCe | of lenny |
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| 17:14.16 | themill | thanks, stew |
| 17:14.18 | acxty | HI guys, how can I see the serial ports available on etch? |
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| 17:14.25 | valdyn | n-iCe: how much ram do you have? |
| 17:14.39 | Peanut | valdyn: thanks a lot, this has made things a lot clearer to me. Time to rebuild my kernel. |
| 17:14.39 | n-iCe | valdyn 2GB |
| 17:14.49 | valdyn | n-iCe: and plans to upgrade that? |
| 17:14.54 | Athunye | valdyn: That did not work... |
| 17:15.06 | valdyn | Athunye: that only shuts up the first part of kernel spam |
| 17:15.08 | n-iCe | valdyn don't know really, don't think so, why? |
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| 17:15.36 | valdyn | n-iCe: because amd64 needs more memory than i386 but you need amd64 if you have more than ~3.5G |
| 17:15.55 | valdyn | n-iCe: i would recommend i386, choice is yours |
| 17:16.51 | n-iCe | will amd load in an intel ? |
| 17:16.59 | n-iCe | what's ia64 |
| 17:17.04 | valdyn | n-iCe: will intel load on an amd? |
| 17:17.11 | abrotman | n-iCe: itanium |
| 17:17.14 | Athunye | valdyn: There is no way to disable more of the boot messages ? |
| 17:17.16 | n-iCe | not for me? |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | acxty: available for what? |
| 17:17.28 | valdyn | n-iCe: amd64 is developed by amd, i386 by intel, both runs on cpus from both companies |
| 17:17.37 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you pay $10,000 for your machine ? if not, it's not itanium |
| 17:17.41 | n-iCe | oh, didn't know that |
| 17:17.51 | n-iCe | thank you guys |
| 17:18.09 | n-iCe | I am gonna install i386 again then, somebody told me to change it to amd, I won't then. |
| 17:18.15 | valdyn | Athunye: sure there is, i just dont know |
| 17:18.19 | n-iCe | Thanks abrotman, valdyn. |
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| 17:18.42 | Athunye | valdyn: Tanks for that tip, anyway. I'll keep searching. |
| 17:18.58 | abrotman | Athunye: you could install a bootsplash system that "covers" them up |
| 17:19.01 | empiric | guys any one install Hp data protector client on debian |
| 17:19.01 | empiric | ? |
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| 17:19.42 | thegraham | Hi, I'm running etch and when I try to install ocaml using apt-get i get this error: The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 17:19.42 | thegraham | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.47 | hargut | hello |
| 17:19.53 | thegraham | how do i fix it? |
| 17:20.00 | valdyn | thegraham: fix your /etc/apt/sources.list, probably |
| 17:20.09 | valdyn | thegraham: paste it on a pastebin so we can verify |
| 17:20.17 | teratoma | maybe he should try 'aptitude' instead of apt-get |
| 17:20.26 | Athunye | abrotman: Thanks for the suggestion but that is not what I need. |
| 17:20.48 | abrotman | Athunye: you don't want to see them, but don't want something like splashy? |
| 17:21.12 | Athunye | abrotman: I'd say, yes. |
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| 17:21.42 | naitram | thegraham: apt-get install libncurses5-dev first |
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| 17:22.37 | abrotman | Athunye: so oyu basically just want to suppress any output at all ? |
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| 17:22.47 | newsense | how can i get console fb ? i know i need to add the fb module name and the resolution to grubs menu.lst but where can i find the available options |
| 17:22.48 | thegraham | valdyn: it won't let me post to pastebin.com because it says it is spam |
| 17:22.50 | Athunye | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 17:22.57 | valdyn | !paste |
| 17:22.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:23.11 | valdyn | thegraham: how about rafb.net ? |
| 17:23.21 | thegraham | naitram: I tried that - i just get: The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 17:23.21 | thegraham | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.21 | thegraham | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.59 | thegraham | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/EBKeQw21.html |
| 17:24.32 | naitram | i want to create custom install disk from etch netinstall including all packages from my apt cache, where do i put the .deb file in the directory structure of the iso? |
| 17:24.54 | valdyn | thegraham: paste output of "apt-cache policy libncurses5" |
| 17:25.56 | \amethyst | thegraham: are you upgrading etch to lenny? |
| 17:26.04 | naitram | never mind i think i found it |
| 17:26.11 | thegraham | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/1hDAan52.html |
| 17:26.16 | Posterdati | hark: look! http://hplipopensource.com/node/212 |
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| 17:26.23 | thegraham | \amethyst: no |
| 17:26.37 | \amethyst | thegraham: did you install lenny packages on an etch machine? |
| 17:26.45 | valdyn | thegraham: you have packages installer that are not from etch but later |
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| 17:26.59 | \amethyst | thegraham: because 5.5 is from etch and 5.7+20081213 is from lenny |
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| 17:27.32 | \amethyst | thegraham: and somehow you got the lenny library installed, which is preventing you from installing the etch -dev library |
| 17:27.41 | thegraham | hmm ok |
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| 17:27.51 | thegraham | so is the best thing to do just to upgrade to lenny? |
| 17:28.01 | valdyn | thegraham: upgrade to lenny or reinstall or ( probably difficult ) downgrade the lenny packages |
| 17:28.15 | themill | thegraham: depends how far you've gone. "/msg dpkg which repo" might help |
| 17:28.29 | \amethyst | thegraham: your options are to downgrade libncurses5 (which might require removing whatever lenny package you had installed before), or to finish the upgrade to lenny |
| 17:28.39 | thegraham | how do i do that |
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| 17:28.54 | \amethyst | aptitude install libncurses5=5.5-5 |
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| 17:29.39 | FenrirReturns | I'm getting all my cron job notifications sent to root@mailserver instead of my local root, how do I correct this? |
| 17:29.55 | thegraham | how do i upgrade to lenny? |
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| 17:30.38 | \amethyst | thegraham: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 17:31.03 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: i dont remember if mail address can be set in /etc/crontab, but its probably set in your /etc/aliases |
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| 17:31.59 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: or your mta just forwards everything? |
| 17:32.03 | newsense | how can i get console fb ? i know i need to add the fb module name and the resolution to grubs menu.lst but where can i find the available options |
| 17:32.16 | stew | newsense: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 17:32.24 | newsense | stew: thanks |
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| 17:33.02 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: so read /etc/aliases and check if theres MAILTO in /etc/crontab |
| 17:34.04 | FenrirReturns | valdyn: I already set an alias for root in /etc/alises and its still doing it, I'll try doing a MAILTO in /etc/crontab |
| 17:34.30 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: cron sends to root by default already.. |
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| 17:34.56 | FenrirReturns | valdyn: Hmm... where there is no MAILTO in /etc/crontab |
| 17:35.21 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: MAILTO=user@whereever.tld |
| 17:35.27 | Peanut | valdyn: I just succesfully booted into my new kernel: 2.6.26.8-rt13 #2 SMP PREEMPT RT - thanks again! :-) |
| 17:35.35 | valdyn | Peanut: welcome |
| 17:35.38 | themill | FenrirReturns: sounds more like your mta is just set to forward everything without first working out who to give root's mail to |
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| 17:37.53 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: MAILTO is defenitely the wrong way to fix this |
| 17:38.07 | valdyn | FenrirReturns: as cron is not the only thing that wants to send mail to root |
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| 17:40.01 | empiric | guys any idea? |
| 17:40.13 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 17:40.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a dozen starving ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:40.25 | tdeath | hah |
| 17:40.27 | tdeath | !any idea |
| 17:40.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:41.25 | FenrirReturns | valdyn: OK, so MTA it is then, I guess I'll try poking around the exim configuration and seeing what I come up with. |
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| 17:41.57 | thomasgruebler | hello |
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| 17:42.21 | nsadmin | it's kinda like the media playing the same story ooover and ooover and ooooover.... |
| 17:42.37 | thomasgruebler | i have a debia sid based distri called sidux. and i'm using kde4.1 from the experimental branch |
| 17:42.53 | thomasgruebler | and now i want to dist-upgrade, but many packages would uninstall then |
| 17:43.14 | craigevil | thomasgruebler: ask in #sidux |
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| 17:43.25 | thomasgruebler | http://rafb.net/p/FFFIsb55.html |
| 17:43.39 | themill | thomasgruebler: those are three things that we tend not to be able to support in #debian... sid, sidux and experimental. Try #sidux or #debian-kde to see if they're willing and able to help. |
| 17:43.49 | thomasgruebler | okay |
| 17:44.29 | themill | thomasgruebler: oh, and rerun your command and LANG=C aptitude .... to get the messages in English. |
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| 17:47.05 | thomasgruebler | themill, i like the messages in german |
| 17:47.08 | thomasgruebler | ^^ |
| 17:47.33 | thomasgruebler | ENTFERNT means removed |
| 17:47.45 | thomasgruebler | NEUEN Pakete are new packages |
| 17:48.00 | thomasgruebler | maybe you could help me please. the other channels are a bit silent |
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| 17:49.37 | FenrirReturns | valdyn: OK, I think I found the problem, but I'm a little bit confused. I did a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and one of the first questions it asks for is the system mail name to qualify mail addresses and it was set to the mail server. Which I think would be why root was going to root@mailserver, but if I don't set it to the mail server it never really asks what my smtp server is |
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| 17:56.31 | DebianFri | hello |
| 17:56.41 | DebianFri | nice to meet you :) |
| 17:56.47 | DebianFri | all |
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| 17:57.28 | DebianFri | Q: How to resize an extended partition? (gparted doesnt work) |
| 17:59.21 | sepult | jelly-home: oh my sorry jelly, i found the cause of the seemingly crashing bash issue, it was not bash wich was dying, it was a jobkiller (a perl script) which was get run in an hourly manner which would kill my terminals .... |
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| 18:01.03 | nsadmin | DebianFri no logical partitions inside? |
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| 18:02.22 | DebianFri | yes there is one logical partition inside |
| 18:02.28 | DebianFri | format: ntfs |
| 18:02.34 | nsadmin | hmm |
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| 18:03.09 | freeRag | any one using linux on a i7 ?= |
| 18:03.10 | DebianFri | but i actually copied everything from this partition to a folder on the root partition |
| 18:03.19 | DebianFri | so i can delete the logical partition |
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| 18:03.50 | nsadmin | if there are partitions inside, I don't know. can you ghost it, delete the partition, delete the extended partition, make the extended partition of the new size, make the ntfs partition, restore from ghost image? |
| 18:04.10 | nsadmin | that's the only way I know |
| 18:04.11 | freeRag | can i install debian on a NTFS partition ? |
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| 18:06.21 | DebianFri | nsadmin - I did it this way thanks |
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| 18:07.07 | DebianFri | freeRag I dont really know, but I think you cant |
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| 18:07.39 | DebianFri | because in my opinion there is no native ntfs driver to write on |
| 18:07.44 | freeRag | that way i could use windows to defrag linux |
| 18:08.15 | DebianFri | maybe u can install it on an FAT32 partition ;) |
| 18:08.33 | DebianFri | *an = a |
| 18:09.28 | freeRag | ´can i make a ram drive to use as swap ? |
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| 18:11.19 | ix | Why would you want to do that? That makes no sense at all. |
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| 18:11.19 | freeRag | ram is cheap |
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| 18:11.29 | ix | Do you know what the swap partition is used for? |
| 18:11.46 | freeRag | stuff from swaping ram |
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| 18:12.32 | ix | The system basically only uses the swap file when it's low on RAM, IIRC. |
| 18:12.54 | freeRag | sorry i was thinking windows |
| 18:12.58 | ix | You will artificially be generating that situation, for no use. |
| 18:13.16 | ix | Oh, lord knows how those guys do it. |
| 18:14.33 | jhava1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.18 | freeRag | whats the raid configuration the does striping with some parity ? |
| 18:16.12 | freeRag | 2 drives use striping and a 3th drive does parity/mirroring |
| 18:16.33 | jhava1 | FreeRag, How do I check that ? Is a two disk doing only mirroring |
| 18:16.37 | freeRag | is it raid 10 ? |
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| 18:16.44 | jhava1 | no, only raid 1 |
| 18:16.49 | Haji_2 | hello |
| 18:17.01 | jhava1 | I can mount manually from (initramfs) |
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| 18:18.14 | jhava1 | but ls /dev/mapper shows something like dff1_4c.(severalnumbers).....a28 , a281 (/) and a285 (swap) |
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| 18:18.26 | \amethyst | freeRag: RAID 5 (or RAID 4) is what you're thinking of |
| 18:18.32 | Haji_2 | anyone here using compiz with x3100? would like to know how to indirect render a video :D (like it is in ubuntu) |
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| 18:18.34 | jhava1 | in those numbers in each boot 4 of them changes |
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| 18:18.42 | cgibin | Q: is their away i can make user names cap? |
| 18:18.47 | jhava1 | no, only RAID 1 |
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| 18:19.14 | cgibin | login.conf |
| 18:19.17 | freeRag | if i setup a striping raid with say one pata drive and a stat drive can i tell it to use the sata for writing and the pata for reading ? |
| 18:19.18 | cgibin | or something i can modify |
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| 18:19.52 | freeRag | will the rais do some sort of performace balance ? |
| 18:19.54 | \amethyst | cgibin: what do you mean? you want user cgibin to be able to log in as CGIBIN ? |
| 18:20.19 | cgibin | will said, yes |
| 18:20.28 | \amethyst | freeRag: striping means that the data is spread across disks---you have to read and write to all of them |
| 18:20.40 | freeRag | yes i know that |
| 18:20.40 | \amethyst | cgibin: do you want them to be able to log in as 'cgibin' too? |
| 18:20.58 | FSX_ | Hey, when I copy files (7z archives) from my external hd (ntfs) to my home folder and unpack them, most of the files are 0B (corrupted?). I tested it also on Windows and then the files aren't corrupted. Can someone help me? |
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| 18:21.08 | cgibin | no, when i make a user name i like to make then like CgiBin it wont allow me to do so.. |
| 18:21.28 | jhava1 | sorry freerag, I might have gotten in another thread I thought your questions were for me. |
| 18:21.33 | freeRag | but it should use the faster drive for the pending data operations and the slower drive in the back ground |
| 18:21.52 | freeRag | mabey useing nice ? |
| 18:21.57 | freeRag | using* |
| 18:21.58 | \amethyst | cgibin: man adduser.conf, look for NAME_REGEX |
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| 18:22.13 | cgibin | thank you ametyst |
| 18:22.36 | unop | freeRag, i think \amethyst answered your question .. if you write to both disks, you have to read from both of them (unless you mean RAID via mirroring) |
| 18:22.44 | cgibin | amethyst: i have a another Q: how well i replace md5 with blf? |
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| 18:23.14 | freeRag | if i do a pata sata raid i dhould gat major performace degradtion as opsed to using just the sata drive with out raid ! |
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| 18:24.30 | freeRag | it should only use the pata drive for operations that needed reading and writing at the same time ! |
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| 18:24.59 | cgibin | any one know please? |
| 18:25.33 | \amethyst | freeRag: striping means the data is spread across the two disks. if you need a block that is stored on the PATA disk, you have to read the PATA disk |
| 18:25.40 | cgibin | i know how to do it on unix. i m not sure about linux i m sorry.. |
| 18:25.44 | freeRag | does raid have some sort of performance balancing ? |
| 18:26.16 | freeRag | striping doesnt do mirror ? |
| 18:26.26 | \amethyst | striping and mirroring are two different things |
| 18:26.34 | \amethyst | freeRag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 18:26.35 | Haji_2 | is this the official debian channel?? |
| 18:26.50 | cgibin | i love my raid box as well, with arry |
| 18:27.02 | cgibin | i have 7tb's |
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| 18:27.26 | cgibin | using blade server i have 32 slots |
| 18:27.40 | Haji_2 | cgibin, cool... |
| 18:27.53 | cgibin | how can i replace my md5 with blf can anyone plz tell me thank you |
| 18:28.12 | \amethyst | what's BLF? |
| 18:28.31 | cgibin | its a tiny script |
| 18:28.37 | \amethyst | oh, blowfish? |
| 18:28.38 | cgibin | blowfish |
| 18:28.47 | Haji_2 | seems so |
| 18:28.50 | freeRag | so using striping you gat to use both drives space ? |
| 18:29.10 | \amethyst | freeRag: yes |
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| 18:29.13 | freeRag | like 50g + 50g = 100 ? |
| 18:29.15 | cgibin | i m sorry i dont want a annoy you guys posting my info over and over.. |
| 18:29.26 | \amethyst | freeRag: yes, or 50G + 70G = 100G |
| 18:29.59 | freeRag | but theres no performance boost like that ? |
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| 18:30.15 | \amethyst | freeRag: it depends on the relative speeds of the disk and what operations you're doing |
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| 18:30.28 | \amethyst | freeRag: generally reads will be faster and writes somewhat slower |
| 18:30.38 | Haji_2 | 2 disks are always faster than one alone or? |
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| 18:30.53 | cgibin | out of all this distros i love debian, its a KEEPer really |
| 18:31.01 | cgibin | will, thank you everyone for your time |
| 18:31.07 | \amethyst | freeRag: also, if you RAID a fast and a slow disk, you'll have something faster than the slow disk but probably slower than the fast disk |
| 18:31.09 | freeRag | so raid 0 trys to store the same file on both drives ? |
| 18:31.11 | cgibin | you guys have a wonderful day |
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| 18:31.25 | selfdestruct | How goes it today? |
| 18:31.31 | freeRag | so it can read it from both at the same time |
| 18:31.37 | Haji_2 | good ty selfdestruct |
| 18:31.41 | themill | selfdestruct: kaboom! |
| 18:31.43 | \amethyst | freeRag: if the file is larger than a single block, it will probably be split across the drives, yes |
| 18:31.47 | selfdestruct | lol. |
| 18:31.47 | Haji_2 | xD |
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| 18:31.58 | \amethyst | freeRag: RAID 0 has no redundancy whatsoever though |
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| 18:32.02 | selfdestruct | Anyone have any experience running apache with chrooted users in debian? |
| 18:32.10 | \amethyst | freeRag: so you're decreasing the MTBF |
| 18:32.22 | freeRag | but whats the best raisd for reading and writing ? |
| 18:32.23 | selfdestruct | More specifically, i have a website for someone, with a chroot so they can manage their site without messing with mine |
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| 18:32.37 | freeRag | i mean performance wise |
| 18:32.37 | Haji_2 | well.. afk for a while ^^ |
| 18:33.06 | freeRag | writing is the slower operation |
| 18:33.26 | freeRag | so its that that need boosting the most IMO |
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| 18:34.14 | \amethyst | freeRag: then RAID 0 might help, depending on the size of your writes |
| 18:34.36 | evilbulgarian | hi, im trying to bring up two bond device bond0,1 but i cant bring them up both at the same time only one ore the other? i have the /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386 aliases for both bond0,1 |
| 18:35.17 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 18:35.17 | dpkg | i guess bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 for some general info (beware, it's older, note the Date) |
| 18:35.19 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am trying to implement ldap authentication, i am trying to able to restrict the access of users based on what group they are , that is if they users a,b,c are in group foobar then they login only to systems x, y, z and if say users a,c are in group fubar they should also be able to login into systems v,w. i would appreciate pointers as to where to look, would this be in pam or ldap end |
| 18:35.24 | freeRag | some one just said that raid 0 (striping?) was worst for writes !!? |
| 18:35.25 | \amethyst | freeRag: if you're doing large writes that span multiple stripes, the write will have to go to both disks, both will have to seek, and you'll get no performance benefit |
| 18:35.53 | \amethyst | freeRag: if you're doing small writes that are located within a single stripe, the disks can act independently, and it ought to be faster |
| 18:36.18 | \amethyst | freeRag: RAID 5 is definitely worse for writes than RAID 0, as even small writes require two disks to be updated |
| 18:37.08 | freeRag | but the update should be done in the backgroung after the really perment data operation had finished |
| 18:37.39 | soul9 | that's what happens for small writes |
| 18:38.42 | \amethyst | even if it is done in the background |
| 18:39.05 | \amethyst | that means the disk storing the parity stripe is busy, and can't perform another write until that's done |
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| 18:40.12 | freeRag | so whats the best balanced solution ? |
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| 18:40.35 | freeRag | i mean just performance wise |
| 18:40.36 | FSX_ | Hey, when I copy files (7z archives) from my external hd (ntfs) to my home folder and unpack them, most of the files are 0B (corrupted?). I tested it also on Windows and then the files aren't corrupted. Can someone help me? |
| 18:40.47 | freeRag | nvm data integrity |
| 18:40.55 | \amethyst | freeRag: probably RAID 0 with two fast disks |
| 18:41.10 | \amethyst | freeRag: RAID 0 between a fast and a slow disk will probably be slower than the fast disk |
| 18:41.15 | freeRag | but some times i need to write large files |
| 18:41.24 | themill | freeRag: if you're not worried about data integrity, storing all your data in /dev/null is always the fastest, and retrieve it from /dev/zero |
| 18:41.27 | \amethyst | even then, RAID 0 is not much worse than no RAID at all |
| 18:42.00 | freeRag | but has its ususally umcompresing the drives should handl it nicely |
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| 18:43.52 | freeRag | but there a dtriping with some paraty optin too but the parity should be done only wen the sytem is idling |
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| 18:44.04 | Ward1983 | nice |
| 18:44.18 | freeRag | with 3 drives ?! |
| 18:44.25 | Ward1983 | i add a user trough the GUI on my standard debian lenny and the add user window crashes |
| 18:44.31 | Ward1983 | great |
| 18:44.38 | freeRag | is it so \amethyst ? |
| 18:44.53 | Ward1983 | im starting to get depressed |
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| 18:44.58 | n-iCe | Ok, I am back in Debian now. |
| 18:45.04 | freeRag | is it parity like quikpar uses ? |
| 18:45.05 | Ward1983 | every little small thing i want to do gives me HEAPS of trouble |
| 18:45.16 | n-iCe | How can I change my character coding, on terminal? |
| 18:45.27 | abrotman | n-iCe: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:45.29 | Ward1983 | so can anyone please tell me how come this crap crashes? |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | Ward1983: maybe you should be using stable |
| 18:45.47 | \amethyst | freeRag: I don't know about whether any RAID 5 implementations do that, but it will only be a benefit if your disks spend most of their time idle |
| 18:45.47 | Ward1983 | abrotman, so this is normal for lenny? |
| 18:45.53 | abrotman | Ward1983: no idea, check the BTS |
| 18:45.57 | Ward1983 | abrotman, wait sorry its stable |
| 18:46.04 | freeRag | just to rebuild the raid in case something gos wrong ? |
| 18:46.06 | Ward1983 | abrotman, im using lenny on my system but etch on my guests |
| 18:46.16 | Ward1983 | and its a guest im talking about |
| 18:46.19 | freeRag | you know quickpar par2 ? |
| 18:46.23 | Orphis_ | Hi, any automount guru this evening ? I'm having problems with it |
| 18:46.29 | abrotman | Ward1983: still check the BTS .. i don't know which GUI user manager you're using, so i can't possibly tell you if it's normal |
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| 18:46.50 | Ward1983 | abrotman, what is BTS? its just the usermanager thats inside debian / gnome by default |
| 18:46.50 | freeRag | the 3th drive should be used for that |
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| 18:47.22 | freeRag | but only on shutdown or wille the system is edllying like in screen saver mode |
| 18:47.24 | zibri | Ward1983: bugs.debian.org |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 18:47.35 | Ward1983 | zibri, thanx |
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| 18:48.05 | abrotman | Ward1983: you have to find out which package the app is in .. then bugs.debian.org/<pkgname> |
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| 18:48.31 | n-iCe | abrotman: Ok, I did that, but the problem is to make it as default, in termina > Set Character Encoding, always is Current Locale (utf-8) how can I remove it? |
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| 18:48.47 | freeRag | do raid 0 goes a wire often ? |
| 18:48.47 | Virtus | anyone with bash, telnet coding skills, and would like to help me with a script I'm trying to make? |
| 18:49.14 | abrotman | Virtus: #bash perhaps ? |
| 18:49.22 | freeRag | how do defrad handle raid 0 ? |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | n-iCe: in what? |
| 18:49.26 | Ward1983 | what package is the "user administration tool" in?... |
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| 18:49.32 | abrotman | !tell Ward1983 about search |
| 18:49.33 | Virtus | abrotman > ahh.. that would be a place to start.. heh thanks! |
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| 18:49.55 | valdyn | !raid0 |
| 18:49.55 | dpkg | raid0 is probably the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see lvm). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 |
| 18:50.15 | Ward1983 | hmmm |
| 18:50.27 | n-iCe | abrotman: in the terminal |
| 18:50.30 | Ward1983 | so i get this really retarded bug and nobody even wants to help me |
| 18:50.31 | freeRag | raid0 is probably the wrong choice ?!!!! |
| 18:50.36 | ohmygod | hello, I wanna make a dot as a cursor( hide cursor) , how to make cursor icon? |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | Ward1983: bts, strace, gdb .. do some research |
| 18:51.04 | \amethyst | freeRag: because RAID 0 is less reliable than a single hard drive |
| 18:51.21 | valdyn | freeRag: raid0 fails twice as often as a single disk |
| 18:51.22 | Ward1983 | abrotman, nobody is going to tell me this bug is normal / common |
| 18:51.46 | abrotman | waits for nobody to speakup |
| 18:51.54 | dusted | since linux raid don't protect against bitflipping, mirror raid is just as useless :P *runs away* |
| 18:52.20 | valdyn | dusted: thats a silly conclusion |
| 18:52.24 | freeRag | how do defrag and chkdsk handle raid 0 ? |
| 18:52.53 | themill | Ward1983: it might be... we haven't got a clue what tool it is you're using. Only you know that. |
| 18:52.53 | Ward1983 | so why is my question the only one that gets the response of "just search" |
| 18:52.54 | selfdestruct | Anyone well-versed in file permissions have a few minutes to help me with an issue? |
| 18:52.56 | valdyn | freeRag: they dont, those tools work on filesystems and do not know or care about the logic or hardware beneath it |
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| 18:53.06 | abrotman | freeRag: which OS is this? |
| 18:53.11 | Ward1983 | themill, i said 23564231 times its the default user manager from the default GUI |
| 18:53.13 | abrotman | selfdestruct: just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | themill: you konw .. the default! |
| 18:53.23 | freeRag | debian wine |
| 18:53.23 | dusted | valdyn, some people think that raid1 will solve their backup problems because if one disk dies, they can simply put in a new.. Well, two disks pose double the chance of bitflipping, and theres always 50/50 chance of the faulty bit being the one that is propagated as correct |
| 18:53.24 | selfdestruct | abrotman, lol |
| 18:53.25 | Ward1983 | themill, system -> administration -> users and groups |
| 18:53.38 | themill | Ward1983: I don't use gnome. HTF does that help me help you? |
| 18:53.38 | ohmygod | hello, who knows how to custom my cursor icon? |
| 18:53.50 | valdyn | dusted: so its the same chance for bit flipping as a single disk |
| 18:53.57 | Ward1983 | themill, you said you dont know what package i use so i told you, and mind your language |
| 18:54.10 | themill | Ward1983: that's not the package. Only you can know that. |
| 18:54.19 | abrotman | Ward1983: you didn't tell him which package .. at all. don't accuse him of being unhelpful when you can't explain your problem |
| 18:54.21 | dusted | valdyn, you have twice the exposed bits |
| 18:54.34 | valdyn | dusted: so? |
| 18:54.35 | selfdestruct | I have a debian virtual private server (vpslink) and I want another individual to be able to access their website (which is under /var/www/vhosts). I tried chroot'ing them, didn't quite work with apache2. How can I make it so that particular user can only see a few directories, or only have access to that directory tree that is. |
| 18:54.40 | freeRag | whats the raid that uses striping and paraty ? |
| 18:54.41 | Ward1983 | does anyone know the packagename of the default usermanager in gnome? |
| 18:54.44 | freeRag | whats the raid that uses striping and parity ? |
| 18:54.45 | dusted | so the chance of someting corrupting is double |
| 18:54.46 | valdyn | dusted: its still the same chance that the flipped bit is taken |
| 18:54.47 | Ward1983 | or HOW to find it |
| 18:54.48 | abrotman | !tell Ward1983 about search |
| 18:54.52 | \amethyst | freeRag: RAID 5 or RAID 4 |
| 18:54.53 | freeRag | its 5 ? |
| 18:55.00 | valdyn | dusted: no |
| 18:55.11 | freeRag | whats the difrence ? |
| 18:55.22 | themill | Ward1983: see... this is how good my ESP-over-IRC skills have to be to help you. apt-cache search user admin gnome; apt-cache show gnome-system-tools ; bugs.debian.org/gnome-system-tools |
| 18:55.27 | \amethyst | freeRag: RAID 4 puts the parity stripes all on the same disk, RAID 5 spreads them out |
| 18:55.29 | themill | Ward1983: why can't you do that yourself |
| 18:55.36 | n-iCe | abrotman: |
| 18:55.37 | n-iCe | ? |
| 18:55.43 | abrotman | themill: i could tell you, but you wouldn't like the answer |
| 18:55.43 | freeRag | im thinking of using 2 sata for striping and one ata for parity |
| 18:55.46 | abrotman | n-iCe: ! |
| 18:55.58 | themill | !dbugs 413564 |
| 18:56.01 | dpkg | DONE:#413564:G[gnome-system-tools] gnome-system-tools: crash of users-admin when trying to add user (); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:51:05 UTC [] |
| 18:56.02 | n-iCe | abrotman: how to make it default :)) !! |
| 18:56.03 | \amethyst | dusted: the chance of a flip is double, but the chance of the flip being propagated is 50% |
| 18:56.04 | freeRag | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.05 | dusted | valdyn, oh, yes, you're right, it's same chance, but still, mirror raid does not mean that the data is safe, that was my point though |
| 18:56.06 | abrotman | n-iCe: "the terminal" does not help me .. konsole? gnome-terminal? xterm ? |
| 18:56.08 | Ward1983 | themill, because i need to know what to search for i only know "default user manager" |
| 18:56.18 | themill | Ward1983: feel free to start chewing your own food. |
| 18:56.19 | valdyn | dusted: agreed |
| 18:56.23 | n-iCe | abrotman: uhm terminal |
| 18:56.25 | themill | gives up |
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| 18:56.32 | n-iCe | terminal 2.22.2 abrotman |
| 18:56.37 | freeRag | im thinking of using 2 sata for striping and one ata for parity what do you think about that \amethyst ? |
| 18:56.44 | freeRag | using raid 4 |
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| 18:56.59 | abrotman | n-iCe: gnome-terminal ? |
| 18:57.01 | valdyn | freeRag: which problem are you trying to solve with these funny solutions? |
| 18:57.06 | n-iCe | abrotman: yes |
| 18:57.12 | abrotman | themill: guess what i'm thinking! |
| 18:57.24 | freeRag | can i make it so that the parity is done wille the system is idleing or on shutdown ? |
| 18:57.25 | \amethyst | freeRag: if you want raw write speed, RAID 5 and RAID 4 are the wrong solution, regardless of where you put the parity |
| 18:57.29 | abrotman | n-iCe: did you try to use the Gnome preferences to set your default locale/language/encoding ? |
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| 18:57.57 | Ward1983 | themill, thanx now i might have a chance to try and search stuff myself next time, not everyone is as smart as you guys |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | freeRag: you sohuld probably ask google for which raid you sohuld use .. |
| 18:58.05 | freeRag | thats because the paruty is done in reall time that wrong |
| 18:58.08 | Ward1983 | the dpkg message was not lcear to me |
| 18:58.18 | freeRag | isnt it ? |
| 18:58.21 | abrotman | reading it helps ... |
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| 18:58.31 | valdyn | freeRag: raid5 is *not* slow in raw writes |
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| 18:58.44 | Ward1983 | abrotman, i did, next time ill come and read it out loud in front of you at your desk |
| 18:58.49 | n-iCe | don't think so abrotman where can I find that? |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | i doubt it .. take too much effort on your part |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | n-iCe: there is a preferences menu under the system menu |
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| 18:59.28 | selfdestruct | I need to know how to confine a user to a particular directory using SSH. |
| 18:59.33 | freeRag | why isnt the parity being made upon shutdown or wile the system is idling ? |
| 18:59.35 | n-iCe | abrotman: yup, don't fins something about encoding |
| 18:59.45 | dusted | selfdestruct, you're looking for a chroot jail |
| 18:59.45 | MeneM | selfdestruct: You could use rsh |
| 18:59.47 | valdyn | freeRag: thats silly, you dont need raid for that |
| 18:59.52 | MeneM | Restricted Shell |
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| 19:00.07 | dusted | http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted_ssh_howto_debian might be relevant aswell |
| 19:00.08 | selfdestruct | dusted, chroot doesn't work with apache2 being on the outside of the jail |
| 19:00.09 | valdyn | freeRag: and disks break at random times, not when the parity is just finished writing after you shut down |
| 19:00.27 | freeRag | i just want to use striping but with some sort of party in the background |
| 19:00.40 | \amethyst | why do you want some sort of parity in the background? |
| 19:00.40 | valdyn | freeRag: why? |
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| 19:00.47 | abrotman | n-iCe: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gnome+change+language&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 19:00.47 | \amethyst | why do you want parity at all? |
| 19:00.48 | dusted | selfdestruct, okay, I didn't notice anything about apache |
| 19:00.48 | selfdestruct | MeneM, you think rsh would work with apache2? Chroot doesn't, as apache has a knack for saying "Access Forbidden" |
| 19:00.51 | valdyn | freeRag: because 3% cpu usage is to much? |
| 19:01.01 | selfdestruct | dusted, I posted a wall of text further up the page |
| 19:01.16 | dusted | okay |
| 19:01.18 | selfdestruct | dusted, I have a debian virtual private server (vpslink) and I want another individual to be able to access their website (which is under /var/www/vhosts). I tried chroot'ing them, didn't quite work with apache2. How can I make it so that particular user can only see a few directories, or only have access to that directory tree that is. |
| 19:01.22 | freeRag | so i can have the same rliability has a single drive wile using striping |
| 19:01.24 | Ward1983 | if i do not find a bug, is there anything else that may cause the usermanager included in gnome-system-tools to crash? |
| 19:01.32 | Ward1983 | when i simply add a user |
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| 19:01.35 | MeneM | selfdestruct: Aren't you glad is does that though, instead of: Sure come on in... I'm thinking that restricted shell may serve you |
| 19:01.46 | selfdestruct | MeneM, lol yeah. |
| 19:01.48 | abrotman | Ward1983: the bug was already found for you |
| 19:01.55 | dusted | apache wont care if some process is chrooted to /var/www/vhosts |
| 19:01.56 | costellod | I've used mysecureshell for jailing users any opinions? |
| 19:01.59 | shawn-p | Hey. I started "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade". This turns out to be taking a looong time. Is there a way to safely abort this? I'm worried that simply Ctrl-C'ing would cause problems |
| 19:02.11 | abrotman | shawn-p: which stage is it in? |
| 19:02.12 | dusted | you could chroot the user to /home/username or whatnot |
| 19:02.17 | shawn-p | "Setting up X" |
| 19:02.20 | freeRag | \amethyst: did you get it now ? |
| 19:02.28 | dusted | and either link over to that dir, or tell apache to take his files from there? |
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| 19:02.38 | abrotman | shawn-p: ctrl-c not a good plan .. you could probably recover later, but better to let it finish |
| 19:02.39 | Ward1983 | abrotman, you mean i should od a bug-report of do you mean that a similar bug is allready found? (because i just read trough the titles of all bugs) |
| 19:02.43 | shawn-p | kk :/ |
| 19:02.45 | selfdestruct | dusted, symlinks dont work in chroot |
| 19:02.47 | shawn-p | no way to abort it? |
| 19:02.51 | n-iCe | that's for language abrotman I just need to change the gnome terminal encoding character |
| 19:02.51 | abrotman | Ward1983: no, you should read the bug |
| 19:02.55 | MeneM | selfdestruct: There you go: |
| 19:03.00 | MeneM | selfdestruct: There you go: http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_75.html |
| 19:03.01 | freeRag | i want the performace benefits of striping with out the reliablilty problems |
| 19:03.01 | craigevil | Ward1983: instead of using a GUI that is crashing use the command adduser :) |
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| 19:03.04 | Ward1983 | abrotman, ok ill try again i must have missed it |
| 19:03.08 | dusted | selfdestruct, they don't have to |
| 19:03.14 | valdyn | freeRag: did you actually tell us which problem you are trying to solve? |
| 19:03.32 | dusted | do it the other way around, instead of trying to get into apache's dir from the chroot, get into the chroot from apaches dir |
| 19:03.34 | abrotman | n-iCe: so google "gnome-terminal change encoding" ? |
| 19:03.37 | n-iCe | to remove the current locale abrotman |
| 19:03.39 | selfdestruct | dusted, apache can't read from a chroot jail if it's outside of the jail |
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| 19:03.48 | \amethyst | valdyn: he wants to make his disk access faster without losing any reliability |
| 19:03.56 | freeRag | i want the performance benefits of striping with out the reliability problems using strip on 2 drives and one slower one for parity |
| 19:03.56 | \amethyst | valdyn: and one of his disks is slower than the other two |
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| 19:04.01 | selfdestruct | dusted, that's what i'm doing. |
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| 19:04.07 | valdyn | freeRag: raids do not generally make disks faster, no type of raid does |
| 19:04.09 | MeneM | selfdestruct: would some sort of virtual machine not be easier perhaps? |
| 19:04.12 | dusted | selfdestruct, okay, sorry, thought that'd work |
| 19:04.16 | Ward1983 | craigevil, i do not know how to set everything with CLI, but ill do that if i cannot find another solution |
| 19:04.16 | MeneM | selfdestruct: perhaps openvz? |
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| 19:04.30 | selfdestruct | MeneM, this debian server is running on openVZ |
| 19:04.35 | selfdestruct | MeneM, http://www.vpslink.com |
| 19:04.36 | valdyn | \amethyst: then he shouldnt use a raid if he cares about speed |
| 19:04.43 | MeneM | selfdestruct: oh.. |
| 19:04.45 | craigevil | Ward1983: http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_adduser.htm or man adduser |
| 19:04.58 | Ward1983 | craigevil, thanx ill bookmark it |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | points at craigevil and laughs |
| 19:05.09 | craigevil | :P |
| 19:05.10 | \amethyst | valdyn: especially since he seems most concerned about write performance, not read performance |
| 19:05.11 | n-iCe | I have read abrotman, and I did it, should I restart to see the changes? |
| 19:05.13 | Brigo | hi, Anybody know how to tranlate form decimal to hexadecimal in bash? |
| 19:05.14 | n-iCe | Will try though |
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| 19:05.20 | MeneM | selfdestruct: so a jail sort of thing within openvz |
| 19:05.24 | Ward1983 | is tired of abrotman 's arrogant words |
| 19:05.37 | selfdestruct | MeneM, It's a virtual private server |
| 19:05.43 | abrotman | Ward1983: try reading, you'll have fewer issues |
| 19:05.53 | selfdestruct | MeneM, My own debian install in a virtual drive i believe. using a shared kernel |
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| 19:06.18 | freeRag | raid makes disks faster because the write and read at the same time and using different HHD "ports" can double the data rate |
| 19:06.21 | MeneM | selfdestruct: Yes I'm familiar with openvz. Use it myself with proxmox ve |
| 19:06.28 | valdyn | freeRag: no, wrong |
| 19:06.38 | MeneM | selfdestruct: I'm sorry I came in after your question |
| 19:06.46 | freeRag | why wrong ? |
| 19:06.48 | abrotman | freeRag: it ultimately depends on the type of raid you use, likely while increasing one, the other will decrease |
| 19:06.49 | Ward1983 | abrotman, at least i'm friendly and positive minded, i dont feel superior to anyone else, even if they dont know how to press the powerswitch of their computer |
| 19:06.55 | selfdestruct | freeRag, raid is for redundancy |
| 19:06.56 | alsd | Brigo: i'm using python for that (the hex() function precisely) |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | Ward1983: you're far from friendly |
| 19:07.09 | freeRag | OK I MEAN STRIPING |
| 19:07.09 | valdyn | freeRag: because very commonly the bottlneck is seek times, not raw transfer |
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| 19:07.22 | selfdestruct | freeRag, no need to yell. |
| 19:07.25 | valdyn | freeRag: and *any* type of raid has bad seek performance |
| 19:07.42 | n-iCe | hi valdyn :) |
| 19:08.00 | freeRag | if you keep FS defraged the seeking times arent so much a problem |
| 19:08.06 | \amethyst | um |
| 19:08.11 | valdyn | freeRag: wrong |
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| 19:08.23 | \amethyst | if you do small reads seeks are always a problem |
| 19:08.33 | Brigo | alsd, thanks you |
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| 19:08.36 | selfdestruct | freeRag, every bit of data has to go through an extra step before it's read or written |
| 19:08.41 | abrotman | freeRag: which filesystem are you going to use? |
| 19:08.43 | freeRag | why are seek time so por ? |
| 19:08.43 | \amethyst | RAID 0 can give you faster seeks if you're doing small reads or writes |
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| 19:09.02 | freeRag | im talking about striping always |
| 19:09.16 | hark | Posterdati: yes? |
| 19:09.29 | freeRag | i want the performance benefits of striping with out the reliability problems using strip on 2 drives and one slower one for parity |
| 19:09.41 | \amethyst | too bad |
| 19:09.46 | \amethyst | parity makes it slower, period |
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| 19:09.54 | freeRag | but the parirty should be done on the backgroung wile the system is edeling |
| 19:09.59 | \amethyst | because each write turns into read + read + write + write |
| 19:10.00 | freeRag | ideling |
| 19:10.02 | \amethyst | that's not how RAID works |
| 19:10.06 | hargut | hello |
| 19:10.14 | freeRag | riad is broken fix it ! |
| 19:10.17 | \amethyst | and if it did, you would lose many of the benefits of keeping the parity in the first place |
| 19:10.22 | freeRag | raid* |
| 19:10.23 | valdyn | freeRag: no, you are broken |
| 19:10.33 | freeRag | sure m8 |
| 19:10.35 | abrotman | freeRag: you're not understanding the very basic concepts of RAID |
| 19:10.41 | \amethyst | because by delaying parity updates you are deliberately increasing the length of time during which a crash can cause data loss |
| 19:10.47 | freeRag | im talking about striping |
| 19:10.48 | selfdestruct | valdyn, lol! |
| 19:10.55 | selfdestruct | freeRag, striping is RAID |
| 19:11.04 | selfdestruct | freeRag, *sigh* |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | except in RAID0, which isn't really RAID at all |
| 19:11.12 | Posterdati | hark: xsane won't save device config, it won't find the scanner again, I have to launch it using xsane hpaio:/net/blablabla |
| 19:11.14 | \amethyst | freeRag: did you read the wikipedia article |
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| 19:11.18 | selfdestruct | abrotman, true :) |
| 19:11.24 | freeRag | i dsont care about some data loss i just dont want the striping to get broken |
| 19:11.42 | \amethyst | abrotman: sure it is, the "R" stands for "Risky" |
| 19:11.45 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:11.52 | freeRag | lol |
| 19:11.56 | selfdestruct | nice |
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| 19:12.35 | freeRag | selfdestruct: is an imbecile |
| 19:12.47 | abrotman | freeRag: be nice |
| 19:12.48 | \amethyst | freeRag: also, performance, or even performance for writes, is not a single number |
| 19:12.55 | selfdestruct | freeRag, I don't bow to your level of existence. Sorry. |
| 19:13.07 | hark | Posterdati: hmm, try removing the xsane config and try saving again .. i think it's in ~/.sane/xsane/xsane.rc |
| 19:13.11 | \amethyst | freeRag: there's latency (seek times, mostly), throughput, etc. |
| 19:13.19 | selfdestruct|afk | afk while configuring RSH |
| 19:13.46 | freeRag | so the latency in seeks arent bound to the underlying HHD so much ? |
| 19:13.50 | abrotman | freeRag: have you read the RAID wikipedia article yet? |
| 19:13.56 | freeRag | yes |
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| 19:14.17 | freeRag | raid is broken |
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| 19:14.25 | abrotman | then don't use it, problem solved |
| 19:14.32 | freeRag | from a pereformace point of view |
| 19:14.38 | hark | Posterdati: or maybe add a text file in /etc/sane.d/dll.d/ with hpaio in it. Make sure the ip is still in net.conf and start xsane again |
| 19:14.45 | freeRag | im talking about striping |
| 19:14.49 | \amethyst | if you want performance, get faster drives |
| 19:14.55 | alsd | freeRag: performance is not the goal, it's not loosing data |
| 19:15.07 | freeRag | the goal is all wrong |
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| 19:15.17 | alsd | !fix freeRag |
| 19:15.17 | dpkg | takes freeRag to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 19:15.39 | abrotman | freeRag: i don't think you understand what you're asking for |
| 19:15.41 | freeRag | im talking about striping not raid has a backup ! |
| 19:16.01 | Ward1983 | freeRag, striping is one of the things raid can do :s |
| 19:16.01 | abrotman | freeRag: can you find us a controller that does "striping" without calling it RAID? |
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| 19:16.21 | \amethyst | striping does increase throughput |
| 19:16.31 | freeRag | thats good |
| 19:16.36 | freeRag | isnt it ? |
| 19:16.38 | \amethyst | yes |
| 19:16.45 | \amethyst | however |
| 19:17.01 | \amethyst | it doesn't necessarily help latency as much---that depends on your access patterns |
| 19:17.16 | freeRag | it breaks twice as much as a sigle drive |
| 19:17.21 | \amethyst | and once you add parity on top of that you will lose much of the benefit |
| 19:17.27 | \amethyst | freeRag: that's because you have two drives |
| 19:17.40 | \amethyst | freeRag: two drives are twice as likely to have a failure as one drive |
| 19:17.47 | \amethyst | freeRag: because there are two of them |
| 19:17.50 | Ward1983 | also striping alone (as in RAID0) is not recommendable because if one of the disks die your data is gone |
| 19:17.53 | freeRag | one drive on one HHD bay and the other drive on another |
| 19:17.59 | cognitiaclaeves | anyone have an intelligent trick / know a good way to be able to reformat screen logs (that contain screen control codes such as ANSI codes) into a plain text log? I use screen to capture logs during system updates, but they're pretty hard to read... |
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| 19:18.28 | freeRag | i want the performance benefits of striping with out the reliability problems using strip on 2 drives and one slower one for parity |
| 19:18.38 | freeRag | but the parirty should be done on the backgroung wile the system is edeling |
| 19:18.40 | Ward1983 | RAID5 i guess |
| 19:18.45 | alsd | cognitiaclaeves: a little bit of perl might be of help here |
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| 19:19.32 | freeRag | the problem here is that the parity is done in real time i can understand that for server but not for a gaming rig |
| 19:19.45 | Ward1983 | freeRag, ah one slower one, didnt read that |
| 19:19.50 | abrotman | thinks this conversation has gone beyond the scope of #debian |
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| 19:19.59 | drizzd | does anyone know a mailbox dockapp which works with noatime? |
| 19:20.18 | \amethyst | there is a patent out there on delayed parit updates for RAID 4 and RAID 5 |
| 19:20.24 | \amethyst | but I don't know about actual implementations |
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| 19:20.30 | Ward1983 | freeRag, i can suggest #linux but read about RAID first so you at least understand the basics |
| 19:20.37 | Ward1983 | good luck |
| 19:20.41 | freeRag | hehe |
| 19:20.50 | alsd | cognitiaclaeves: or simply tr |
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| 19:21.17 | abrotman | it's ##linux |
| 19:21.29 | Ward1983 | #linux forwards |
| 19:21.36 | freeRag | can i have this idiea patented TM now ?! |
| 19:21.37 | cognitiaclaeves | alsd: I've tried tr and substitution. I might just be a dolt, but it seems to be a more complex problem than what it appears on the surface. |
| 19:21.39 | freeRag | MUAHAHAHAHAhaha |
| 19:21.46 | freeRag | BS |
| 19:22.12 | cognitiaclaeves | This has to be something that someone has needed in the past, though... screen is too widely used for not to be an effective way to read the logs... |
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| 19:22.31 | valdyn | freeRag: you can do mirroring like that yourself with rsync |
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| 19:22.35 | Ward1983 | freeRag, if you think its bs you should hire someone to do it for you |
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| 19:22.42 | valdyn | freeRag: its just not raid |
| 19:23.44 | freeRag | valdyn: im not talking about mirroring |
| 19:23.52 | freeRag | im tlaking about parity |
| 19:23.54 | \amethyst | freeRag: yeah, I think RAID 0 + backups might be better for your aims than RAID 5 |
| 19:23.55 | freeRag | you moron |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | freeRag: stop |
| 19:24.18 | Ward1983 | freeRag, if you start calling people names nobody will help you |
| 19:24.33 | freeRag | so i can use the 3th drive with par2 ? |
| 19:24.35 | Ward1983 | (eventually they will kick or even ban you if you keep up like this) |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | still doesn't see what this has to do with Debian support |
| 19:24.54 | [twistiii] | the etch-backports are just stuff from lenny, right ? so when i switch from etch to lenny, i wont need it anymore ? |
| 19:24.55 | freeRag | sorry but they get on my nervs |
| 19:25.07 | stoned | is he even trying to raid in debian or what? |
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| 19:25.20 | valdyn | freeRag: do you understand the point of parity or mirroring? |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | [twistiii]: yes |
| 19:25.25 | stoned | only then it can be related to debina support otherwise go to # #linux for general discussion |
| 19:25.32 | [twistiii] | thanks abrotman |
| 19:25.34 | freeRag | parity is much better then mirroring |
| 19:25.44 | valdyn | freeRag: ok, you dont |
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| 19:25.47 | freeRag | IMO |
| 19:25.48 | Ward1983 | hahaha |
| 19:25.58 | \amethyst | parity is also slower than mirroring |
| 19:26.03 | freeRag | i mean parity like in par2archiver |
| 19:26.10 | stoned | ... |
| 19:26.32 | jelly-home | freeRag: is your third drive large enough to accomodate being a mirror for the amount of data you want to put on two striped ones? |
| 19:26.41 | freeRag | i sont care if its slower if its done wile the system isidling |
| 19:26.45 | freeRag | idling |
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| 19:26.49 | abrotman | just give up already ... |
| 19:27.24 | freeRag | par3repair can be used to repair an archive with out full mirroring |
| 19:27.33 | freeRag | its much better |
| 19:27.52 | freeRag | only its not reall time |
| 19:27.57 | freeRag | how cares ... |
| 19:28.01 | freeRag | who* |
| 19:28.50 | freeRag | it could be some sort of journaling on the 3th drive |
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| 19:29.35 | jelly-home | freeRag: if you lose a whole disk in a raid0 made up of two disks, you need that much parity data to restore the original content |
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| 19:30.41 | freeRag | with par repair you can use the data on the remaining drive + the data ont the "backup drive" |
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| 19:30.58 | Posterdati | hark - amadonna |
| 19:31.01 | freeRag | you just need half sized backup drive |
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| 19:31.43 | freeRag | half the size of the striped raid |
| 19:32.27 | jelly-home | freeRag: and full size of each disk in the raid0 |
| 19:32.40 | jelly-home | freeRag: and congrats, you reinvented raid3 |
| 19:32.44 | freeRag | i do realise that the parity might take some time to get make |
| 19:32.50 | jelly-home | irrelevant |
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| 19:33.06 | freeRag | so its raid 3 im looking for ? |
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| 19:33.19 | jelly-home | freeRag: no, raid3 sucks. :-) |
| 19:33.27 | freeRag | how come ? |
| 19:33.32 | hark | Posterdati: what worked? |
| 19:33.36 | freeRag | are you BS me ? |
| 19:33.53 | jelly-home | raid5 has same security and better performance |
| 19:34.04 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, he has one slower disk |
| 19:34.08 | \amethyst | he wants the parity to get out-of-date |
| 19:34.13 | jelly-home | Ward1983: I know. |
| 19:34.13 | Ward1983 | just making sure you didnt miss that |
| 19:34.17 | freeRag | the thing is the parity shouldnt be done in realtime |
| 19:34.21 | Ward1983 | jelly-home, ok just making sure :) |
| 19:34.30 | freeRag | thats whats missing in raid striping |
| 19:34.31 | abrotman | really, can we please move on? |
| 19:34.37 | jelly-home | freeRag: so do a split mirror thing, and resync them only so often |
| 19:34.42 | Ward1983 | i agree with abrotman (for once :p) |
| 19:34.59 | freeRag | were do you want to go abrotman ? |
| 19:35.16 | jelly-home | freeRag: make a md raid0 with two fast disks. then make a raid1 with that first md device and your slow disk |
| 19:35.18 | Ward1983 | freeRag, he means this is offtopic here this channel is about debian |
| 19:35.18 | abrotman | there's #debian-offtopic or find any other channel, your question doesn't have much to do with Debian at all |
| 19:35.23 | freeRag | is it time for the misscarieged yet ? |
| 19:35.27 | freeRag | :) |
| 19:35.38 | jelly-home | I don't see debian-specific questions being asked. |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | that doesn't make it okay to ask here |
| 19:36.02 | jelly-home | yes it does, according to !offtopic |
| 19:36.10 | freeRag | im using ubuntu but this the upstream channel for ubuntu so im here |
| 19:36.21 | \amethyst | um |
| 19:36.22 | Ward1983 | :-O |
| 19:36.23 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 19:36.24 | abrotman | freeRag: go to #ubuntu then, last warning |
| 19:36.25 | jelly-home | freeRag: shut up. |
| 19:36.26 | Ward1983 | uh-ooooh |
| 19:36.35 | Ward1983 | is scared of whats gonna happen next |
| 19:36.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: see the part about "longer conversations" |
| 19:36.37 | \amethyst | this is not the upstream channel for #ubuntu |
| 19:36.42 | freeRag | besides ubuntu is full of lamers |
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| 19:37.10 | zleap | ok i am putting my ubuntu posters as a creative commons license, and have created a license.txt file to include with them in the directory they are in |
| 19:37.14 | abrotman | freeRag: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, go to #ubuntu or ##linux for Ubuntu support |
| 19:37.31 | jelly-home | freeRag: or #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:37.36 | abrotman | freeRag: stop msg'ing me |
| 19:37.38 | \amethyst | maybe ##hardware ? |
| 19:37.45 | \amethyst | is RAID on topic there? |
| 19:37.48 | jelly-home | \amethyst: a md issue != radware |
| 19:37.55 | jelly-home | hardware |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | \amethyst: hardware raid i'd guess .. |
| 19:38.11 | Ward1983 | just #linux like suggested before |
| 19:38.15 | Ward1983 | well ##linux i mean :p |
| 19:38.28 | stoned | it will forward automatically |
| 19:38.33 | stoned | if you join #linux that is. |
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| 19:40.18 | jelly-home | freeRag: if you want to continue the raid0 + raid1 idea, join #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:41.17 | pasky | Hi! What is the correct method to get hibernation working on fresh lenny installation? It works in principle, but the grub menu is not altered - it has the standard timeout and I have to manually add resume=... to the boot commandline. |
| 19:41.22 | Posterdati | hark: invoking xsane hpaio:/net/blabla worked |
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| 19:41.49 | valdyn | pasky: it should work without that parameter i thought |
| 19:41.51 | pasky | I could just hardcode it there I suppose, but it strikes me as very weird that this does not work out of the box, so I'm thinking I missed some piece of the setup. |
| 19:42.08 | pasky | valdyn: then it just boots up fresh |
| 19:42.08 | Posterdati | hark: but saving settings is useless, next time invoking xsane without parameters won't work |
| 19:42.32 | pasky | Also, there is absolutely no suspending/resuming progressbar, anyone has an idea why? |
| 19:42.57 | pasky | (not even the text dots) |
| 19:43.24 | hark | Posterdati: you tried the dll.d thing? |
| 19:43.42 | Posterdati | hark: yes |
| 19:43.58 | valdyn | pasky: which hibernate method are you using? |
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| 19:45.28 | pasky | how do i find out? |
| 19:45.43 | hark | Posterdati: try asking in #sane |
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| 19:45.49 | valdyn | pasky: tell me how you hibernate |
| 19:45.59 | redtape | is vmware-server on any of the debian repos? |
| 19:46.04 | Posterdati | hark: they didn't even answer me |
| 19:46.12 | pasky | valdyn: either the "hibernate" command or clicking on the gnome power manager - both go the same way |
| 19:46.16 | jelly-home | redtape: nope |
| 19:46.18 | abrotman | redtape: nope, can't be |
| 19:46.29 | redtape | not even non-free? |
| 19:46.41 | abrotman | redtape: can't be legally redistributed i don't think |
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| 19:46.46 | redtape | bah. |
| 19:46.46 | redtape | ok. |
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| 19:47.18 | valdyn | pasky: the hibernate command is configured at /etc/hibernate, but gnomes thing does not necessarily do the same stuff |
| 19:47.36 | pasky | valdyn: I have looked there already but did not find anything obvious there |
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| 19:48.17 | hark | redtape: there's vmware-package in sid which is supposed to help you create debs yourself |
| 19:48.44 | valdyn | pasky: sorry cant help, to many things to look into from my pov |
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| 19:49.00 | redtape | hark: cool. |
| 19:49.14 | valdyn | pasky: seen http://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation ? |
| 19:49.21 | redtape | is it possible to install things from say sid or lenny if i'm running an etch install? |
| 19:49.49 | teratoma | redtape: sure! look up 'apt-pinning' |
| 19:49.57 | jelly-home | redtape: it's a very bad idea to do so, however |
| 19:50.05 | abrotman | !tell redtape about ssb |
| 19:50.10 | abrotman | teratoma: that's a horrible idea |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman | that's how you break systems if you're not very very careful |
| 19:50.30 | jelly-home | redtape: use backports.org or do own backports instead |
| 19:50.50 | redtape | ok. |
| 19:50.57 | kyrix | on the other hand, ive been doing that for years without problems ;) |
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| 19:51.17 | pasky | valdyn: aha, I don't even have uswsusp installed - seems like that wiki is wrong, by default the laptop pattern doesn't pull it in |
| 19:51.18 | riot | hey there.. |
| 19:51.59 | riot | anybody related to debianhelp.org? And can explain, why my realname is listed there under their zorkmids-list (What the hell has a zorkmid got to do with debian?) |
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| 19:52.24 | tkoski | Any kde users here? |
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| 19:52.57 | jester45 | tkoski, i use 2.5 |
| 19:53.01 | jester45 | 3.5* |
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| 19:54.21 | hark | Posterdati: well if you figure it out, let me know :) |
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| 19:55.18 | pasky | valdyn: thanks for the link though! |
| 19:55.19 | valdyn | riot: which list? |
| 19:55.23 | andy5635353 | i am using debian on a VirtualBox on mac os x, and want to automatically mount a drive, where can i stick this to do it: |
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| 19:55.50 | andy5635353 | mount -t vboxsf Debian /mnt/share |
| 19:56.21 | riot | valdyn: http://www.debianhelp.org/userpoints/ << that one |
| 19:56.29 | freeRag | times up |
| 19:56.48 | valdyn | riot: someone has the same name as you do? |
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| 19:57.25 | riot | valdyn: i don't think so |
| 19:57.41 | riot | valdyn: google and all the others don't think so either. |
| 19:57.42 | jelly-home | andy5635353: /etc/fstab, theoretically. But in a different format. |
| 19:58.09 | riot | valdyn: i'm just curious. Those idiotic people-search-engines are far more problematic. Assdorks, them.. |
| 19:58.10 | freeRag | how well does debian implements intels vPRO technologies ? |
| 19:58.15 | valdyn | riot: could aswell be some spammer user your name |
| 19:58.17 | hargut | andy5635353: /etc/fstab |
| 19:58.22 | abrotman | freeRag: go to #ubuntu, last warning |
| 19:58.47 | freeRag | i hate it there |
| 19:58.56 | abrotman | then install debian, it's really not our problem |
| 19:59.11 | andy5635353 | yea, debian beats ubuntu |
| 19:59.16 | jelly-home | freeRag: try the forums or mailing lists for your distro |
| 19:59.21 | freeRag | if i install debian you wont be able to ban me ? |
| 19:59.33 | abrotman | i didn't say that |
| 19:59.37 | freeRag | :) |
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| 20:00.04 | freeRag | hands down andy5635353 |
| 20:00.04 | jester45 | they could stil ban you, a kick is more likly... but debian help doesnt include ubuntu |
| 20:00.25 | riot | valdyn: i really don't think so. I can explain _all_ other results to my name-search. Do you know that list? And it's use? |
| 20:01.01 | valdyn | riot: nah, i dont think that site is related to debian at all |
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| 20:03.37 | freeRag | \amethyst: your nick is wrong linux wahy is /amethyst if you had that nick then you reall yould be a linux hacker |
| 20:03.48 | freeRag | :) |
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| 20:04.40 | freeRag | can i install a deb package in ubntu ? |
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| 20:05.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@a213-22-146-83.cpe.netcabo.pt] by abrotman |
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| 20:05.37 | abrotman | freeRag: if you want Ubuntu support, go to #ubuntu |
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| 20:08.00 | kyrix | freeRag: answer is yesno |
| 20:08.11 | kyrix | try, see if things break ;) |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | kyrix: you can go to #ubuntu with him if you'd like to support him |
| 20:08.56 | selfdestruct | ok lets switch gears a bit, back to debian |
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| 20:09.08 | jelly-home | course, there's wanting support, and there's stirring shit up |
| 20:09.20 | selfdestruct | how can i let a user use ssh? |
| 20:09.32 | selfdestruct | if i've added them using "useradd" and given them a password |
| 20:09.37 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: they can do that by default if you install it. |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | is openssh-server installed ? |
| 20:09.44 | selfdestruct | yep |
| 20:09.50 | selfdestruct | says permission denied |
| 20:09.50 | abrotman | should be enough |
| 20:09.56 | jelly-home | what does? |
| 20:09.57 | abrotman | what says that? |
| 20:10.04 | selfdestruct | when i ssh |
| 20:10.19 | abrotman | selfdestruct: is the system behind a firewall? |
| 20:10.35 | selfdestruct | I'm using SSH to add the user lol |
| 20:10.42 | selfdestruct | I dont have physical access to the server |
| 20:10.49 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: what does /var/log/auth.log say? |
| 20:11.23 | selfdestruct | umm |
| 20:11.26 | selfdestruct | nothing about the user in question |
| 20:11.38 | abrotman | selfdestruct: can you put the output in a pastebin ? |
| 20:11.44 | selfdestruct | what's the pastebin link |
| 20:11.49 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 20:12.18 | dkr | selfdestruct: did you use any extra options with useradd? e.g. non-default shell |
| 20:12.24 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: can _you_ log in as that user with their password? :-) |
| 20:12.31 | selfdestruct | sorry, forgot to scroll down |
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| 20:12.40 | selfdestruct | it does say something and i'm pasting it |
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| 20:13.06 | selfdestruct | dkr, yes. restricted bash, but i'm changing it to default in a minute. should still let me login. |
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| 20:14.13 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27125/plain/27125 |
| 20:15.23 | dkr | "shell /bin/bash -r does not exist" |
| 20:15.29 | dkr | use rbash, and add it to /etc/shells |
| 20:15.30 | selfdestruct | lol i see that now |
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| 20:16.23 | selfdestruct | ok |
| 20:16.24 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.31 | selfdestruct | i just let him have default bash |
| 20:16.40 | selfdestruct | but problem is... he can access /root |
| 20:17.28 | dkr | chmod -R 700 /root |
| 20:17.34 | dkr | maybe |
| 20:17.36 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:17.36 | jelly-home | -R ? |
| 20:17.37 | \amethyst | not -R |
| 20:17.43 | \amethyst | but chmod 700 /root should be fine |
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| 20:18.01 | selfdestruct | okie dokie that worked. |
| 20:18.12 | selfdestruct | so if I want to explicitly deny him access to folders, use that permission? |
| 20:18.14 | selfdestruct | 700? |
| 20:18.19 | jelly-home | restricted shells suck |
| 20:18.22 | \amethyst | not quite |
| 20:18.33 | \amethyst | 700 means readble, writable, and executable only by the owner |
| 20:18.33 | selfdestruct | for example... to lock out /etc |
| 20:18.36 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: be careful with permissions. |
| 20:18.39 | \amethyst | no no |
| 20:18.43 | \amethyst | don't lock out /etc/ |
| 20:18.44 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, i know |
| 20:18.47 | \amethyst | lots of programs need files in /etc |
| 20:18.50 | selfdestruct | right... |
| 20:18.54 | selfdestruct | but he doesn't |
| 20:18.57 | \amethyst | um |
| 20:19.00 | \amethyst | yes he does |
| 20:19.06 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: why are you doing this? |
| 20:19.07 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am trying to implement ldap authentication, i am trying to able to restrict the access of users based on what group they are , that is if they users a,b,c are in group foobar then they login only to systems x, y, z and if say users a,c are in group fubar they should also be able to login into systems v,w. i would appreciate pointers as to where to look, would this be in pam or ldap end |
| 20:19.09 | \amethyst | if ls -l is supposed to show usernames, for example |
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| 20:19.15 | \amethyst | that requires reading /etc/passwd |
| 20:19.28 | \amethyst | logging in requires /etc/profile |
| 20:19.28 | \amethyst | etc |
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| 20:20.01 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: ie. what do you want to leave allowed? |
| 20:20.14 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, /var/www/vhosts/**his website* |
| 20:21.06 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 20:21.30 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: you could bind-mount the web site to his home dir, and use the chroot feature of openssh 5.0+ |
| 20:21.50 | adama_ | hi nootoyahora |
| 20:22.06 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, how can i make sure the bind-mount mounts after every restart |
| 20:22.08 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: or just move the site there instead of leaving it under /var |
| 20:22.14 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: put it in fstab |
| 20:22.25 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, but is this a classic chroot jail we're talking about? |
| 20:22.32 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, cause if that's the case, apache can't read it. |
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| 20:22.49 | Ego-Ale-Sum | hello |
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| 20:23.03 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I'm running an etch web server and I have some problems with exim4: |
| 20:23.10 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: it's chroot for that user's ssh session, not for apache |
| 20:23.24 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, ahh. would you mind helping me accomplish that? |
| 20:23.38 | nootoyahora | I'm using debian testing, with the 2.6.26- stock kernel and when I boot it says something like "kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage", and my lio.conf have yet the large-memory switch, waht can I do? |
| 20:23.53 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: no, I can just provide the general idea. :-) |
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| 20:24.23 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, ok. |
| 20:24.24 | Ego-Ale-Sum | some services, like yahoo mail, always put my server in the "greylist". so, I always get error 421 from their server. I found that this is because exim4 uses the default server IP to send emails, but that doesn't have a ip-reverse assigned. I need to set up exim4 to use a different ip. how can I do that? |
| 20:24.42 | \amethyst | Ego-Ale-Sum: you have two IPs on your server? |
| 20:24.54 | Ego-Ale-Sum | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:24.59 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I've got a static IP address |
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| 20:25.04 | Ego-Ale-Sum | then 4 failover ip addresses |
| 20:25.14 | Ego-Ale-Sum | I configured the web sites on the failover ips |
| 20:25.28 | Ego-Ale-Sum | and they have an ip-reverse |
| 20:25.30 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: in fact I'm not sure the shell would work that way; we've only used it to give a user sftp access to their data |
| 20:25.34 | Ego-Ale-Sum | while the static ip doesn't |
| 20:25.55 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, that's what i want to accomplish, sftp to his directory |
| 20:26.01 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, just want to make sure apache can read it. |
| 20:26.30 | \amethyst | Ego-Ale-Sum: http://lists.exim.org/lurker/message/20061217.130120.ab8d6800.en.html looks relevant |
| 20:26.36 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: apache will work in its own namespace, and be able to read the whole filesystem |
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| 20:27.22 | Ego-Ale-Sum | <\amethyst>: which is the file to edit? |
| 20:27.33 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, alrighty. |
| 20:27.47 | selfdestruct|afk | is configuring a chroot. |
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| 20:30.15 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: you need to backport openssh 5.1 (if using debian stable), then set up a Match User block and set ChrootDirectory for that user |
| 20:30.25 | jelly-home | selfdestruct|afk: (in sshd_config) |
| 20:30.26 | \amethyst | Ego-Ale-Sum: depends on how you have exim4 configured. could be /etc/exim4/conf.d/transport/30_exim4-config_remote_smtp or could be /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 20:30.41 | \amethyst | Ego-Ale-Sum: the former if you chose split configuration, otherwise the latter |
| 20:30.56 | selfdestruct|afk | jelly-home, yep, following a tutorial |
| 20:31.04 | Ego-Ale-Sum | <\amethyst>: I don't remember... I have both those files |
| 20:31.36 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 20:31.41 | jelly-home | !tutorials |
| 20:31.41 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 20:31.53 | jelly-home | beware The Tutorial |
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| 20:32.30 | dkr | I thought tutorials were for teaching, not HOWTOs, :) |
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| 20:34.26 | Ego-Ale-Sum | <\amethyst>: think I've found it. now I'm trying |
| 20:34.27 | jelly-home | dkr: eh |
| 20:35.10 | selfdestruct|afk | jelly-home, lol |
| 20:35.17 | \amethyst | Ego-Ale-Sum: if you run into problems, you might find more help in #exim; I'm not really an expert |
| 20:35.27 | Ego-Ale-Sum | <\amethyst>: ok, thank you |
| 20:35.43 | selfdestruct|afk | jelly-home, ok, so how would I go about changing openssh so it has these commands? |
| 20:35.58 | selfdestruct|afk | jelly-home, it doesn't recognize those commands I entered |
| 20:36.20 | \amethyst | selfdestruct|afk: this is etch? |
| 20:36.26 | selfdestruct|afk | \amethyst, yes |
| 20:36.30 | jelly-home | selfdestruct|afk: you'd a) check that you have the correct version I mentioned above (5.0 or newer) |
| 20:36.42 | \amethyst | selfdestruct|afk: as jelly-home said you'll need to backport the newer version |
| 20:36.49 | selfdestruct|afk | jelly-home, I dont know where the version info is |
| 20:36.58 | jelly-home | !version |
| 20:36.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 20:37.05 | \amethyst | dpkg -l openssh-server |
| 20:37.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching openssh-server |
| 20:37.10 | \amethyst | !ssb |
| 20:37.11 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 20:37.20 | selfdestruct|afk | this could get dangerous |
| 20:37.26 | selfdestruct|afk | the only access i have to the server is ssh |
| 20:37.32 | Ego-Ale-Sum | \amethyst: seems to be working now :) I've tried again to send an email to yahoo, and it has been sent at the first attempt. good |
| 20:37.40 | \amethyst | Ego-Ale-Sum: yay |
| 20:37.59 | selfdestruct|afk | can i set up a backup server? or with the backport one, can it run on a different port? |
| 20:38.18 | \amethyst | not easily anyway |
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| 20:38.33 | \amethyst | selfdestruct|afk: restarting ssh won't kill existing connections, so make sure to leave a few open connection before you install the new version |
| 20:38.38 | jelly-home | selfdestruct|afk: installing a new ssh server package doesn't kill off running connections. You could install a new one from source in /usr/local and run it on a different port |
| 20:38.48 | Ego-Ale-Sum | \amethyst: thank you! I go... bye! |
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| 20:39.05 | jelly-home | selfdestruct|afk: having both old and new as packages at the same time is hard to do |
| 20:39.36 | kingsley | Which command. if any, reports avahi clients and servers? |
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| 20:40.20 | selfdestruct|afk | \amethyst, is that command you typed earlier for package version dpkg -l as in, L? |
| 20:40.24 | jelly-home | selfdestruct|afk: if the new one doesn't work, you can put the old one back with "aptitude install openssh-server/stable" again |
| 20:40.42 | jelly-home | yes, small L |
| 20:40.46 | \amethyst | kingsley: avahi-browse -a perhaps? |
| 20:40.55 | ringo999 | hi, I need some help debugging my wlan connection. I'm using wpa_supplicant with wpa_roam in my /etc/network/interfaces. The connection is established internet works, ip address assigned via dhcp. However, after some time, the connection is lost, looks like wpa crashes, the only way to get it back up if to do "ifdown/ifup". Where to start? |
| 20:41.02 | \amethyst | selfdestruct|afk: lowercase ell, meaning 'list information' |
| 20:41.04 | selfdestruct|afk | \amethyst, no packages found |
| 20:41.28 | \amethyst | selfdestruct|afk: for openssh-server ? |
| 20:41.34 | selfdestruct|afk | No packages found matching openssh_server |
| 20:41.41 | selfdestruct|afk | oops |
| 20:41.41 | \amethyst | selfdestruct|afk: hyphen not underscore |
| 20:41.42 | selfdestruct|afk | >.> |
| 20:41.55 | jelly-home | selfdestruct|afk: use the fancy new paste fature |
| 20:41.57 | selfdestruct|afk | 4.3p2-9etch3 |
| 20:41.59 | jelly-home | feature* |
| 20:41.59 | selfdestruct|afk | that would be my problem |
| 20:42.16 | jelly-home | right. You'll have to upgrade if you want to do it that way |
| 20:42.24 | jelly-home | HOWEVER |
| 20:42.27 | selfdestruct|afk | ok what's the repository for backports? |
| 20:42.30 | selfdestruct|afk | !! |
| 20:42.30 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 20:42.32 | kingsley | \amethyst: Do you happen to know which package contains avahi-browse? |
| 20:42.55 | \amethyst | kingsley: apt-file search avahi-browse says it's in avahi-utils |
| 20:42.57 | jelly-home | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 20:42.57 | judd | jelly-home: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-5 |
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| 20:43.00 | abrotman | !tell selfdestruct about bpo |
| 20:43.16 | kingsley | \amethyst: I'll try it. |
| 20:43.20 | \amethyst | abrotman: unfortunately it's not in bpo |
| 20:43.30 | selfdestruct | abrotman, didn't get anything :-P |
| 20:43.31 | abrotman | i answered that question :) |
| 20:43.32 | streuner | !+tell kingsley -about search |
| 20:43.32 | dpkg | told kingsley about search. |
| 20:43.33 | jelly-home | judd would know about it |
| 20:43.33 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "would" is not a valid command. |
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| 20:44.58 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: another way to do it is by using libpam-chroot ; I think the ssh backport is easier (well, at least for me it would be) |
| 20:45.23 | selfdestruct | I'm willing to do the ssh backport |
| 20:45.53 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, so i do apt-get upgrade openssh-server/backport? or something like that |
| 20:46.06 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, I'm clueless X_X |
| 20:46.33 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: no. You follow the procedure in "/msg dpkg ssb" to create a new .deb out of 5.1 sources |
| 20:46.50 | xand | !hostname |
| 20:46.50 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 20:48.07 | kingsley | \amethyst: Thanks. avahi-browse's output is a little terse, even with the "-v" option, but it's better than nothing. |
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| 20:49.18 | dokma | hi guys. I've got ntp update setup on my debian box. it gets updated every day and is delayed by almost 4 second per day. is this normal? |
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| 20:50.41 | lymeca | How can I examine the video/audio formats of a video file without running it? I have no X11 isntalled |
| 20:50.48 | jelly-home | dokma: you could install a ntp daemon |
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| 20:51.03 | valdyn | lymeca: file movie.avi |
| 20:51.11 | dokma | jelly-home: I already run ntp client updates every day |
| 20:51.17 | dokma | what would a daemon achieve |
| 20:51.18 | dokma | ??? |
| 20:51.22 | lymeca | valdyn: It's a Matroska container |
| 20:51.26 | lymeca | so it just says Matroska file |
| 20:51.37 | valdyn | lymeca: mplayer movie.mkv |
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| 20:51.41 | jelly-home | dokma: continuous synchronization with a time server of choice |
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| 20:51.47 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, k i'm going to go immerse myself in all of this. thanks for all the info |
| 20:52.00 | \amethyst | dokma: it would keep it in sync even if the system's clock is drifting |
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| 20:52.14 | \amethyst | dokma: so you wouldn't get one huge jump in the time at the end of the day |
| 20:52.14 | dokma | jelly-home: well I could run the client update every 10 minutes |
| 20:52.22 | jelly-home | dokma: you could. |
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| 20:52.32 | dokma | I was just wondering is it normal to have such a huge delay in a single day |
| 20:52.47 | jelly-home | dokma: yes |
| 20:52.54 | jelly-home | dokma: especially on PC hardware |
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| 20:53.17 | dokma | I was expecting it to be on the 1/1000 offset to be normal |
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| 20:53.32 | jelly-home | dokma: 4 seconds per day is less than 1/10000 |
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| 20:53.34 | dokma | this is just wildly inaccurate |
| 20:53.43 | valdyn | dokma: dont do this kind of updating, its dangerous |
| 20:53.47 | dokma | 1/1000 of a second |
| 20:53.47 | valdyn | dokma: use ntpd |
| 20:53.59 | dokma | valdyn: dangerous? |
| 20:54.06 | jelly-home | dokma: that's unrealistic without a ntpd |
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| 20:54.29 | \amethyst | dangerous because it can run the clock backwards or freeze the clock for extended periods |
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| 20:54.39 | lymeca | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:54.45 | jelly-home | \amethyst: um, ntpdate doesn't freeze the clock |
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| 20:54.49 | dokma | interesting stuff |
| 20:54.55 | \amethyst | jelly-home: oh, it does use adjtimex? |
| 20:54.55 | dokma | I had no clue about these things |
| 20:55.23 | \amethyst | jelly-home: then what was he saying about it being delayed by 4 seconds? |
| 20:55.45 | \amethyst | oh, nm |
| 20:55.46 | dokma | it runs 4 seconds late per day |
| 20:55.48 | jelly-home | \amethyst: when run once dailt |
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| 20:56.00 | \amethyst | I was taking 'delay' to mean 'everything pauses for four seconds when I run ntpdate' |
| 20:56.03 | \amethyst | my bad |
| 20:56.04 | KC | Is there a workable guide to installing KDE4.2 anywhere? |
| 20:56.11 | dokma | 28 Jan 04:25:05 ntpdate[12763]: step time server 134.176.2.192 offset 3.689477 sec |
| 20:56.14 | jelly-home | If ntpdate determines the clock is in error more than 0.5 second it will simply step the time by calling the system settimeofday() routine. If the error is less than 0.5 seconds, it will slew the time by calling the system adjtime() routine. |
| 20:56.21 | jelly-home | dokma: that's not bad. |
| 20:56.48 | dokma | I'll just keep my update/day routine then |
| 20:57.04 | jelly-home | dokma: if you want better, use a ntpd |
| 20:57.15 | valdyn | dokma: just be aware that that is dangerous |
| 20:57.21 | dokma | I'm not running anything extremely time sensitive |
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| 20:57.38 | \amethyst | no kerberos or make on NFS ? |
| 20:57.41 | jelly-home | dokma: "dangerous" meaning some apps require monotonously increasing time |
| 20:57.42 | dokma | just a LAMP+mail system |
| 20:58.14 | dokma | jelly-home: that was my understanding of dangerous aswell |
| 20:58.27 | dokma | so updating it less times is more safe |
| 20:58.37 | valdyn | dokma: no |
| 20:58.51 | valdyn | dokma: useing the kernels adjtime is safe |
| 20:59.01 | valdyn | dokma: adjtimex does this, ntpd does this |
| 20:59.11 | \amethyst | keeping it within 0.5 sec so that ntpdate uses adjtime would be safe |
| 20:59.25 | dokma | oh |
| 20:59.32 | dokma | so updating it 8 times a day would be better |
| 21:00.01 | jelly-home | valdyn: apparently Debian's 70-second adjtimex for the initial /etc/adjtime setup run is just plain wrong |
| 21:00.01 | \amethyst | dokma: updating it constantly would be even better, but yes |
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| 21:03.33 | jelly-home | dokma: for some really bad machines that fail by 10-20 minutes per day, we're running ntpdate every 5 minutes or so :-) |
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| 21:03.55 | jelly-home | ntpd can't deal with that |
| 21:04.26 | dokma | I had absolutely no clue it was that hard to make an accurate clock |
| 21:04.45 | dokma | where accurate is delay of let's say 1/100 of a second per day |
| 21:04.50 | scsinutz | Hello, How can I disable the ipv6 module from loading at boot time? I commented out the reference to ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d.alias but it still loaded. |
| 21:05.13 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 21:05.13 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 21:05.44 | \amethyst | dokma: it's possible, but too expensive to be the default in PC hardware |
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| 21:06.12 | dokma | \amethyst: well I assume it is possible |
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| 21:06.35 | dokma | just seems a bit odd that it is that hard |
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| 21:06.42 | Posterdati | hark: solved! |
| 21:06.46 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, quick question |
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| 21:06.56 | jelly-home | three! |
| 21:07.24 | selfdestruct | Or if anyone knows, how can I add the unstable branch to my apt source file |
| 21:07.46 | jester45 | \amethyst, all my pcs have kept time within a minute for a few years with no ntp |
| 21:08.11 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: copy the deb ... line for your mirror, replace deb with deb-src, replace "etch" or "stable" with "unstable" |
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| 21:08.25 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, thanks! |
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| 21:09.02 | jelly-home | something like deb-src http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian unstable main |
| 21:09.33 | selfdestruct | k it sees it now |
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| 21:10.44 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: I _think_ there's a single dependency package you'll have to backport as well. |
| 21:10.54 | selfdestruct | kk |
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| 21:11.45 | eanda | hey all trying to compilemy own program. I'm getting the following error on ./configure package requirements gconf-2.0 >= 2.18.0 , but I have gconf ver 2.22 also libwnck-1.0 >= 2.18 but I have libwnck22 installed |
| 21:13.06 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: we have a setup like that on an etch machine, but I didn't backport it myself so just trying to remember what the other guy said |
| 21:13.14 | \amethyst | eanda: you need the -dev packages installed too |
| 21:13.27 | eanda | ok.. |
| 21:13.29 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, i did apt-get upgrade openssh-server, and i haven't typed yes yet |
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| 21:13.36 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, i'm going to past the output |
| 21:13.38 | eanda | brb. i'll install and try again |
| 21:13.55 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: it built without any issues? |
| 21:14.19 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27128/ |
| 21:14.26 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, I haven't typed yes yet |
| 21:14.55 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: what command are you trying to run there? |
| 21:15.10 | eanda | amethyst, got the dev package for libwnck what about gconf. I don't see a dev package for that |
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| 21:15.12 | selfdestruct | apt-get upgrade openssh-server |
| 21:15.25 | selfdestruct | with only the unstable branch in sources.list |
| 21:15.34 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: that's a bad idea. |
| 21:15.39 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, figured as much. |
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| 21:15.46 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, which is why i didn't type yes :-P |
| 21:15.50 | jelly-home | don't do it. We didn't tell you to! |
| 21:16.38 | selfdestruct | so i have the unstable branch in my apt sources now |
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| 21:16.50 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, so what do i need again >.> |
| 21:16.54 | scsinutz | hello, how can I execute a shell script on reboot? |
| 21:17.11 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, backports didn't provide any search results for openssh-server |
| 21:17.19 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 21:17.33 | martijn81 | hi, user messenger is spamming here |
| 21:17.42 | martijn81 | [21:15] <MeSSenGeR> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 21:17.47 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: first, put sources.list back the way it was before |
| 21:17.51 | martijn81 | in a private message |
| 21:18.12 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, back to stable? |
| 21:18.17 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: yes. |
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| 21:18.40 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, and only add deb-src? |
| 21:18.43 | martijn81 | !operator |
| 21:18.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, operator is if people are misbehaving here, just "!ops problem_description" to have someone deal with it |
| 21:18.45 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: YES |
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| 21:19.12 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, was that an annoyed yes? lol |
| 21:19.18 | martijn81 | !ops spamming |
| 21:19.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: martijn81 complains about: spamming |
| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | yes, it was |
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| 21:19.43 | abrotman | finally got it .. twice |
| 21:19.55 | abrotman | lets tomaw deal with it :) |
| 21:20.01 | tomaw | :) |
| 21:20.11 | jelly-home | abrotman for klines in 2009! |
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| 21:21.56 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, Build-dependencies for openssh-server could not be satisfied. |
| 21:22.29 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: for "apt-get build-dep openssh-server", I presume? |
| 21:22.35 | selfdestruct | mmhmm |
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| 21:25.31 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: now I need to remember how to see exactly which build dependency is failing |
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| 21:25.43 | selfdestruct | lol |
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| 21:27.28 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, -V doesn't work |
| 21:27.31 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, same output |
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| 21:29.11 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 21:29.55 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27130/ |
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| 21:31.07 | selfdestruct | i commented out the first line, and it's still doing the same thing |
| 21:31.10 | Ace2016_- | can someone recommend me an image viewer, something small and fast |
| 21:31.23 | abrotman | feh/eog |
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| 21:31.31 | Mr-R | selfdestruct: did you run "aptitude update" after changing your sources.list? |
| 21:31.39 | selfdestruct | Mr-R, yes. |
| 21:32.00 | Mr-R | selfdestruct: ok, sorry, i just read the bottom of my window... |
| 21:32.33 | tziku | I have a SERVER and a COMPUTER. SERVER have internet from optical cable. And COMPUTER from SERVER.My problem is: I i have ping reply from all sites from SERVER but from COMPUTER i don't have ping reply from some sites (ex. webmin.com , scanalert.com). My server config is: http://pastebin.com/m2e995524 and my COMPUTER ip is 89.33.107.10 with gw 89.33.107.1 (SERVER). http://pastebin.com/m764026db |
| 21:33.10 | abrotman | still ? |
| 21:34.31 | selfdestruct | yay freeRag is gone |
| 21:35.13 | selfdestruct | no more RAID discussion |
| 21:35.21 | EulGlaude | tziku, I suggest this on your server : sudo shutdown now |
| 21:35.22 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libwrap0-dev zlib1g-dev libssl-dev libpam0g-dev libgtk2.0-dev libedit-dev debhelper sharutils libselinux1-dev libkrb5-dev | awk '/^[^ ]/{printf $1} /Cand/ {printf " "$2"\n"}' |
| 21:35.29 | selfdestruct | lol |
| 21:35.31 | selfdestruct | ok... |
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| 21:36.47 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27131/plain/27131 |
| 21:36.50 | Laeborg | how can i delete "pending" installs from apt-get ? |
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| 21:39.32 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/m6f134b6a |
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| 21:43.31 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, you get that pastebin? |
| 21:43.59 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: *thinking* |
| 21:44.19 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, kk :) I'm lost more than you are. |
| 21:44.43 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, what time zone are you in? |
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| 21:45.00 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: oh well, just do apt-get install libwrap0-dev zlib1g-dev libssl-dev libpam0g-dev libgtk2.0-dev libedit-dev debhelper sharutils libselinux1-dev libkrb5-dev ;-) |
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| 21:45.08 | selfdestruct | k |
| 21:45.15 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: make that aptitude install instead |
| 21:45.21 | selfdestruct | k |
| 21:46.16 | selfdestruct | k done |
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| 21:46.54 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: all right. |
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| 21:47.19 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: chown -R that openssh-5.1whatever directory to your normal user |
| 21:47.46 | selfdestruct | I would first have to have openssh5 wouldn't i? |
| 21:48.05 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: oh. do the apt-get source openssh step. |
| 21:48.18 | [twistiii] | hey, i followed these steps, but the pc got shut down by accident during it. assuming itll boot up again, is there any way to recover from this ? |
| 21:48.27 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: this will create files in your current directory |
| 21:48.34 | selfdestruct | yep |
| 21:48.38 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: so don't be in an important dir ;-) |
| 21:49.03 | selfdestruct | i was in /etc/apt lol |
| 21:49.09 | selfdestruct | but i moved it to another directory |
| 21:49.50 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: all the openssh* files too |
| 21:50.02 | selfdestruct | yep |
| 21:50.03 | selfdestruct | did that |
| 21:50.31 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: chown -R that openssh-5.1whatever directory to your normal user, and then go there as the user |
| 21:50.44 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, done |
| 21:52.30 | stoned | !ping |
| 21:52.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 21:52.35 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc -us" now; pastebin the output if ti fails |
| 21:52.52 | [twistiii] | doesnt anyone know how i can fix this ? |
| 21:52.53 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: install fakeroot if it isn't installed |
| 21:53.33 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27133/ |
| 21:53.51 | jelly-home | [twistiii]: you didn't say what "the steps" or "this" was |
| 21:54.01 | [twistiii] | oh lol |
| 21:54.03 | [twistiii] | sorry |
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| 21:54.06 | [twistiii] | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/ |
| 21:54.11 | selfdestruct | o.O |
| 21:54.19 | selfdestruct | [twistiii], that sucks. |
| 21:54.23 | [twistiii] | during step 5 the pc got shut off |
| 21:54.26 | [twistiii] | what sucks ? |
| 21:54.33 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: you are not in openssh-5.1... as the normal user |
| 21:54.44 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, normal user... |
| 21:54.58 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, sorry. |
| 21:55.02 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, I know what you mean |
| 21:55.04 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, one sec |
| 21:55.33 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, compiling now |
| 21:56.04 | jelly-home | orly! |
| 21:56.22 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, mmhmm. i <3 compiling. so much text |
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| 21:56.25 | jelly-home | I don't understand why build-deps fails |
| 21:56.41 | selfdestruct | i dont know either. |
| 21:57.00 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: what we did was to install the build-deps manually. You can find them in debian/control file |
| 21:57.13 | selfdestruct | uh oh! |
| 21:57.17 | selfdestruct | i dont know if this killed it or not |
| 21:57.23 | jelly-home | what? |
| 21:57.29 | selfdestruct | sec, pastbin'inb |
| 21:57.30 | selfdestruct | ing* |
| 21:57.44 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27134/ |
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| 21:57.55 | n-iCe | anyone use irssi here? |
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| 21:58.12 | newsense | n-iCe: of course :) |
| 21:58.53 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: it apparently finished. Are there deb files in the parent directory? |
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| 21:59.09 | selfdestruct | yessir |
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| 21:59.28 | selfdestruct | openssh-server_5.1p1-5_i386.deb |
| 21:59.34 | jelly-home | and others |
| 21:59.47 | selfdestruct | ssh* ones and an openssh-client |
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| 22:00.07 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 22:00.50 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: well, dpkg -i openssh-{server,client}*deb if you're brave. Open an extra session to the machine first. |
| 22:01.02 | selfdestruct | i'm going to open a few |
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| 22:01.15 | n-iCe | newsense: does mIRC users read us? |
| 22:01.21 | jelly-home | you'll be needing the blacklist package too probably |
| 22:01.22 | n-iCe | newsense: I mean acents |
| 22:02.08 | newsense | n-iCe: im not sure what you mean sorry |
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| 22:02.50 | pablo | what does it mean when a package says Maintenance LowNMU (low non mainainer uploads) |
| 22:03.10 | jelly-home | pablo: where does it say that? |
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| 22:03.46 | pablo | jelly-home: on a package |
| 22:03.47 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/27135/ |
| 22:04.03 | dmoerner | pablo: http://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu |
| 22:04.27 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: uh, skip the udebs. |
| 22:04.30 | selfdestruct | k |
| 22:04.56 | khear | hi, what's the proper way to disable autostarting a specific daemon on bootup? in this case that would be mysql server |
| 22:05.33 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/27136/ |
| 22:05.34 | dmoerner | khear: use something like sysv-rc-conf to handle when daemons are started |
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| 22:05.47 | newsense | khear: you can use rcconf or sysv-rc-conf |
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| 22:06.01 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: ah. the dependencies are a bit broken. |
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| 22:06.24 | pablo | dmoerner: this means the nmu doesnt takes so long? |
| 22:06.30 | selfdestruct | libssl and lsb-base |
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| 22:06.58 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: debian/control file, line 40, replace the versions that create problems in your failed install with those you have installed on the system |
| 22:07.16 | dmoerner | pablo: it means that people can upload nmus to fix serious bugs without having to worry about putting it in DELAYED/10 or something like that |
| 22:07.55 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, so in the directory i compiled openssh? |
| 22:08.02 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: correct |
| 22:08.02 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, and do i have to re-compile? |
| 22:08.05 | n-iCe | How can I set ISO-8859-1 in my gnome terminal 2.22.2 as default? |
| 22:08.19 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: you'll just need to rebuild the binary packages |
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| 22:09.34 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: the simplest thing is just doing the dpkg-buildpackage command again |
| 22:09.44 | selfdestruct | kk |
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| 22:09.50 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: lsb-base dependency might be real though |
| 22:10.00 | jelly-home | judd: versions lsb-base |
| 22:10.00 | judd | jelly-home: lsb-base -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1 lenny: 3.2-20 sid: 3.2-20 |
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| 22:10.09 | jelly-home | hm, no backport |
| 22:10.47 | \amethyst | n-iCe: make sure your locale is set to an ISO-8859-1 locale before starting gnome-terminal |
| 22:11.35 | n-iCe | \amethyst: us ISO-8859-1 ? |
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| 22:11.36 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: but when you're making a backport, you generally hope the new one isn't really needed, and downgrade the dependencies to what's available ;-) |
| 22:11.36 | \amethyst | n-iCe: en_US then |
| 22:11.36 | selfdestruct | haha yeah |
| 22:11.36 | \amethyst | n-iCe: probably it's set to en_US.UTF-8 right now |
| 22:11.36 | selfdestruct | trying that now |
| 22:11.43 | selfdestruct | it's compiling |
| 22:11.52 | n-iCe | \amethyst: dpkg-reconfigure locales I Just need to select one? |
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| 22:12.16 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, was it safe to include the "etch" stuff in the versions? |
| 22:12.23 | \amethyst | n-iCe: yes, or edit /etc/default/locale to say LANG=en_US |
| 22:12.38 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, i copy / pasted my versions into the control file |
| 22:12.52 | fr34klinux | hi, i have a problem with lenny experimental .. kde 4.2 doesnt contain powerdevil, and i don't know how i can install it, sry for my bad englisch |
| 22:12.52 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: that's the version. "3.1-23.2etch1" nothing wrong about it. |
| 22:12.58 | selfdestruct | kk |
| 22:13.00 | \amethyst | n-iCe: you'll have to log out and log back in after doing so |
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| 22:13.48 | n-iCe | \amethyst: it is LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 22:13.52 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, ok it got past the openssh-server errors |
| 22:13.54 | n-iCe | should I change it to LANG="en_US" |
| 22:13.59 | \amethyst | n-iCe: yes |
| 22:14.01 | n-iCe | thanks |
| 22:14.10 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, now i need to change the openssh-client errors, they were identical. version probs |
| 22:14.10 | \amethyst | n-iCe: also check /etc/environment and make sure it's not set there |
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| 22:14.23 | jelly-home | oh, forgot about that |
| 22:14.28 | \amethyst | n-iCe: (or that it's set to the same value) |
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| 22:14.54 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: instead of dpkg-buildpackage, do "fakeroot make -f debian/rules binary" instead |
| 22:15.20 | jelly-home | that will just rebuild the debs out of already compiled stuff |
| 22:15.24 | selfdestruct | k |
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| 22:16.15 | selfdestruct | lol |
| 22:16.18 | selfdestruct | it installed... |
| 22:16.18 | _OsO_PeReSoSo_ | que tal compañeros |
| 22:16.19 | selfdestruct | now to test |
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| 22:17.27 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, would this replace the server i had? therefore using /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
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| 22:18.10 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: this _did_ replace the old ssh server version |
| 22:18.17 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, cause during the install, it asked if i wanted to overwrite my config file with the one included in the installer, and i figured it would just reset it to default port 22, so i said yes. but when i go to /etc/ssh, the file didn't change |
| 22:18.33 | selfdestruct | it's still my old config file |
| 22:18.48 | abrotman | !es |
| 22:18.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:18.49 | selfdestruct | so now, how do i see what version sshd is? |
| 22:18.49 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: pastebin that output |
| 22:18.57 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: the same way |
| 22:19.04 | selfdestruct | the installer or the config file |
| 22:19.05 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: dpkg -l openssh-server |
| 22:19.49 | selfdestruct | http://paste.debian.net/27139/ |
| 22:20.04 | selfdestruct | says it's the new version |
| 22:20.25 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: and do you see which file it asked you about? |
| 22:20.41 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, haha yeah. |
| 22:20.49 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, sorry, long day at work. |
| 22:20.55 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, i'm actually doing this at work, after hours |
| 22:21.06 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, cause i was in the middle of doing this when we closed :-P |
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| 22:21.23 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, you going to be on tomorrow around the same time? |
| 22:22.01 | jelly-home | I'll be online but possibly busy |
| 22:22.18 | selfdestruct | okie dokie. i'll try and figure out the chroot stuff |
| 22:22.31 | selfdestruct | and if you're on, great, if not, i'll just keep hacking at it. |
| 22:22.36 | selfdestruct | thank you for this |
| 22:22.47 | selfdestruct | hopefully when / if the server restarts it'll still work haha |
| 22:22.50 | jelly-home | np, cheers... and go home! |
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| 22:22.56 | selfdestruct | jelly-home, mmhmm cheers |
| 22:23.00 | jelly-home | selfdestruct: can you log in now? |
| 22:23.09 | jelly-home | via ssh I mean |
| 22:23.14 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 22:23.21 | selfdestruct | sorry, yes i can |
| 22:23.32 | jelly-home | so it'll probably work |
| 22:23.34 | selfdestruct | kk |
| 22:23.38 | jelly-home | bye |
| 22:23.39 | selfdestruct | *keeps fingers crossed* |
| 22:23.40 | selfdestruct | see ya |
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| 22:24.30 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 22:27.41 | valentin_ | I wanted to do a Netinstall on my new Samsung nc 10 but i dont know which wlan driver to choose. Can u help me out? |
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| 22:28.16 | sneezewort | What is the web page that you can paste "lspci -n" into to get a working driver list? |
| 22:28.19 | valentin_ | its an Atheros card |
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| 22:31.18 | Tramp | valentin_: atheros is madwifi - don't know about the installer |
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| 22:33.21 | Bravewolf | sneezewort: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 22:33.56 | sneezewort | Bravewolf: Thanks! |
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| 22:35.36 | Bravewolf | sneezewort: you're welcome |
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| 22:37.53 | Bravewolf | someone can tell me where is "fbcon" module? modprobe fbcon -> FATAL: Module fbcon not found. |
| 22:38.11 | cryptnix | google? |
| 22:38.49 | Bravewolf | cryptnix: google doesn't help me |
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| 22:39.13 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: why do you ask? |
| 22:39.35 | roadfish | how do I change the timestamp on a symlink? "touch" doesn't work. |
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| 22:40.35 | pyrohotdog | Anyone know why alsa restore fails on boot? I have to run alsaconf every time I restart for my audio to work and it's rather irritating. |
| 22:40.36 | eanda | hey all have a mother board with two amd opterons. But I don't want to run x64 because of software issues. which 32 bit kernel should I run 2.6.24-486 or 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 22:40.40 | newsense | Bravewolf: you trying to setup console framebuffer ? |
| 22:40.51 | jelly-home | roadfish: heh, why do you care? |
| 22:40.54 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: because I can't use fbcon. it's not present! |
| 22:41.25 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: which app shows an error about fbcon? |
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| 22:41.43 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: or in other words, what are you really trying to do? |
| 22:41.57 | Bravewolf | newsense: yes. i would like to have console framebuffer. normally it's enough to put fbcon & vesafb on /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 22:42.07 | newsense | Bravewolf: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 22:42.18 | Bravewolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.20 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: uname -r? |
| 22:42.28 | newsense | Bravewolf: all i had to do was follow that and it worked great |
| 22:43.06 | roadfish | jelly-home: not the end of the world if I can't ... but I have a working adirectory that accumulates files that I'm interested in. And I like to switch between time/alphabetic sorting. but, in time-based-sort, I'd like to shift items up and down depending on how interested I'm in the files. |
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| 22:44.08 | jelly-home | roadfish: um... deref then sort by time? |
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| 22:45.17 | roadfish | jelly-home: The thing that confuses me is that the timestamp on the symlink does _not_ match the timestamp on the base file. The timestamp on the symlink in the time that it is initially created. So there is a timestamp stored _somewhere_. Where is it? And how do I change it? |
| 22:45.35 | roadfish | jelly-home: "deref then sort by time" ... what do you mean by "deref"? |
| 22:45.45 | jelly-home | gives roadfish a -L option to ls -l |
| 22:45.56 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: Linux poseidon 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Jan 10 17:57:00 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux ----- There isn't an application that show an error about fbcon... I would like only to have the "old" pretty console framebuffer... |
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| 22:46.05 | roadfish | s/symlink in the time/symlink is the time/ |
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| 22:47.11 | roadfish | jelly-home: ok, this should work pretty decently. thanks. |
| 22:48.02 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: and you have it in initrd^Winitramfs module list, have updated the image, and are using vga=0x305 video=vesafb (or similar) kernel boot options? |
| 22:48.13 | roadfish | still, my question does remain ... how can you get at the timestamp on the symlink? are we blocked from accessing it for some arcane reason? |
| 22:48.15 | Bravewolf | newsense: I have yet the vga=xxx line in the kernel. The resolution is ok, but the console is not "graphical" as before. e.g. the font is not thin as before but it is thick and so on. |
| 22:48.55 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: pastebin your dmesg? |
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| 22:49.48 | jelly-home | roadfish: no, I believe you can do it with the relevant syscall, just that touch doesn't have a --no-dereference option |
| 22:50.06 | jelly-home | (no follow symlinks) |
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| 22:51.29 | eanda | have a amd opteron 64 bit cpu. can I run kernel 2.6.26-1-686? |
| 22:51.31 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: also vesafb is not present. that's strange and that's the reason because I asked if you have fbcon & vesafb module. However I have added vesafb & fbcon in the module list of initramfs and I upfated the image. But I think that it is not enough, because those modules are not present. That's very strange. This is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/dc318ef7 |
| 22:52.18 | roadfish | jelly-home:ok, thanks ... so I need to look at the syscall level |
| 22:52.25 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: I think the dependencies get resolved so there should be no need to put fbcon in, just vesafb |
| 22:52.46 | jelly-home | eanda: yes. |
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| 22:53.06 | eanda | jelly-home, thanks |
| 22:53.28 | jelly-home | eanda: if you have more than 4GB RAM, use -686-bigmem or even -amd64 instead |
| 22:53.53 | Tramp | roadfish: check man 7 symlink for the syscalls. There are no user-level tools to do it, afaik |
| 22:53.56 | eanda | jelly-home I have exactly 4GB is that going to be ok |
| 22:54.03 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: dunno, I stay away from fb because it interacts badly with video-intel |
| 22:54.37 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: also vesafb is not present. however fbcon should not depend on vesafb. boh... |
| 22:54.48 | zzattack2 | im trying to run fetchmail on startup, now that goes well but I need it to start from a certain user so that it uses his ~/.fetchmailrc file, how do I do that? |
| 22:54.49 | jelly-home | eanda: -686 kernel will be only able to see around 3.4GB. The -686-bigmem kernel is a bit slower but can access all 4GB |
| 22:55.05 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: um it's the other way around |
| 22:55.06 | alsd | Bravewolf: your dmesg seems to say it's using vesa fb, are you sure it's not ? |
| 22:55.25 | alsd | Bravewolf: maybe it's not the correct resolution for your screen |
| 22:55.44 | eanda | jelly-home: I stayed away from AMD64 kernel because I'm to stupid to compile my own software when it isnt available in the repos... |
| 22:55.50 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: uname -r? |
| 22:55.59 | jelly-home | oh you aready did |
| 22:56.18 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: _is_ there a vesafb module? :-) |
| 22:56.25 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: modinfo vesafb |
| 22:56.47 | eanda | so 686 bigmem will be a reasonable kernel |
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| 22:57.04 | jelly-home | eanda: your own software? |
| 22:57.10 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 22:57.18 | jelly-home | eanda: like nonfree ati/nvidia drivers? |
| 22:57.29 | alsd | Bravewolf: here it is '[ 1.847112] vesafb: mode is 1280x800x32, linelength=5120, pages=1' |
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| 22:58.11 | jelly-home | right. |
| 22:58.16 | eanda | jelly-home: no , for instance I couldn't get kiba dock or another very simple dock compiled, not my own though |
| 22:58.21 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: so you _are_ using fbdev |
| 22:58.41 | jelly-home | eanda: that's some broken software |
| 22:59.08 | n-iCe | Hello, what's the command to make a kernel upgrade, dist-upgrade or how was it? |
| 22:59.14 | Bravewolf | alsd: you're right.... but the output of lsmod | grep fb is empty . I can't understand why. |
| 22:59.14 | alsd | Bravewolf: might be included in kernel, my kernel here is lenny default, and there's no vesafb |
| 22:59.25 | Bravewolf | alsd: also my kernel is the lenny default |
| 22:59.27 | alsd | Bravewolf: ... module that is |
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| 23:00.37 | eanda | alot of x64 software isn't available and some I'v tried to compile, but always ends in disaster and alot of time. so.... thats why I was shying away from the amd64. also isn't there and issue with flashplayer not being available? |
| 23:00.40 | Bravewolf | alsd: I'm checking /boot/config-2.6.26-1-amd64 ... i want understand .... |
| 23:01.00 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: it's =Y in my 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:01.02 | Bravewolf | alsd: are you using x86 or x64? |
| 23:01.06 | jelly-home | compiled in |
| 23:01.07 | alsd | Bravewolf: if you have a LCD screen, check that 1280x800 is the natural resolution for your screen. might be the reason for blury fonts |
| 23:01.19 | alsd | Bravewolf: x86 |
| 23:01.27 | Bravewolf | alsd: yes, it's the natural resolution |
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| 23:01.49 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: so just use some other font |
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| 23:02.20 | Bravewolf | alsd: "CONFIG_FB_VESA=y" that's the reason |
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| 23:02.31 | eanda | jelly-home: does that make sense or do you think I should stick it out and use amd64 bigmem, and just work through the compile issues |
| 23:02.55 | alsd | Bravewolf: if you want the ubuntuish console font its in 'console-terminus' |
| 23:03.28 | alsd | Bravewolf: i guess so ;) |
| 23:03.46 | jelly-home | eanda: use what works for you; if you need software that isn't easily build under -amd64, don't use it |
| 23:03.59 | eanda | jelly-home: is there a large enough performance enhancement to use amd64 |
| 23:04.11 | Bravewolf | jelly-home, alsd: about the font .... there are "normal", but on Ubuntu 8.04 when I load fbcon the fonts are more "pretty"....... |
| 23:04.28 | jelly-home | eanda: it depends. maybe 5-10%, maybe none |
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| 23:04.40 | Bravewolf | alsd: I'll try console-terminus.... is there a way to select which font to use? |
| 23:04.43 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: so pick some other console font |
| 23:05.01 | alsd | Bravewolf: that's because they use the terminus font in ubuntu. install it, it's explained in the doc how to set it up |
| 23:05.19 | eanda | jelly-home: ok, but if I use 686 I should go with bigmem right |
| 23:05.25 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: /etc/default/console-tools for the default; consolechars / setfont for changing it on the fly |
| 23:05.40 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: sorry, /etc/default/console-setup |
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| 23:06.04 | jelly-home | eanda: usually it's not worth it |
| 23:06.26 | eanda | k |
| 23:06.31 | jelly-home | eanda: test your apps; 3.4GB with faster kernel might be better or worse than full 4GB with -bigmemn |
| 23:06.41 | jelly-home | so try both |
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| 23:06.55 | zzattack2 | how do I run a script at boot as a certain user? |
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| 23:07.18 | jelly-home | zzattack2: su user -c 'somescript' |
| 23:07.19 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: yes, I'm doing so..... I have seen that console-setup is suggested by console-terminibus. |
| 23:07.20 | dmoerner | zzattack2: add an entry in /etc/rc.local that runs su user -c "command" |
| 23:07.29 | Bravewolf | console-terminus, sorry |
| 23:07.33 | zzattack2 | thanks jelly-home, dmoerner |
| 23:07.38 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: it makes life a bit easier with fb |
| 23:08.14 | Bravewolf | jelly-home: have to reboot to make the changes applied? |
| 23:08.19 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: sets up all the vc-s with your font (ctrl-alt-f1 can have different font than ctrl-alt-f2 etc) |
| 23:08.44 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: not sure; perhaps /etc/init.d/console-setup restart would work too |
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| 23:08.51 | alsd | eanda: bigmem uses PAE which makes things a bit slower. at least that's the theory |
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| 23:09.50 | eanda | ok.. well I'm going to chicken out and just go with the 2.6.26-1-686. Oh, does that have smp support already in it? |
| 23:10.08 | Bravewolf | jelly-home, asd: thanks for your support. I'll try to reboot. |
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| 23:10.38 | jelly-home | used a huge TerminusBold 10x20 for a while |
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| 23:12.27 | alsd | wonders how much people m$ perverted into thinking rebooting makes things better |
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| 23:13.47 | jelly-home | alsd: um... you DO know vesafb can only change res at reboot |
| 23:13.49 | jelly-home | ? |
| 23:14.15 | jelly-home | this is why smart people use uvesafb! Totally different! |
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| 23:14.37 | alsd | jelly-home: um... yes. that was just a poor excuse for a little m$ bashing |
| 23:14.52 | jelly-home | this isn't ##ms-bashing, though |
| 23:15.50 | jelly-home | with a nondeterministic OS like that (or with a lack of knowledge), rebooting _is_ a useful method |
| 23:16.21 | Bravewolf | I will have to learn more about uvesafb.... but free time is little :-( |
| 23:16.25 | jelly-home | reboots his Solaris 9 intel machines when their networking driver stops responding |
| 23:19.10 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: you need to install v86d, use video=uvesafb... (the syntax for scrolling acceleration is a bit different from vesafb, and you can tell it the initial resolution instead of doing vga=), and voila |
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| 23:19.36 | jelly-home | Bravewolf: fbset works! one can now ... dunno, change bit depth. |
| 23:20.08 | jelly-home | course, if you try using 3D with intel, the machine eventually hangs |
| 23:20.26 | jelly-home | fbdev + xorg = pain, so say the xorg people |
| 23:20.43 | jberg | hey, i did aptitude full-upgrade, and it asked me if i wanted to install new config files for the packages fglrx-driver and fglrx-events..something, and i stupidly said yes. so now X wont start complaining about some fglrx driver. can i make aptitude change back to the old configuration? |
| 23:21.17 | jelly-home | jberg: the old file is stored as /path/to/config/file.dpkg-old |
| 23:21.38 | jberg | hmm |
| 23:22.10 | jberg | okay, ill check, thanks |
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| 23:22.35 | jberg | but i thought apt had a reconfigure command or something that reverted to old config files? |
| 23:22.42 | alsd | jelly-home: isn't there supposedly an intel fb driver? |
| 23:22.45 | jelly-home | jberg: for X issues, everyone will ask you first to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:23.03 | jelly-home | alsd: it's worse than vesafb wrt playing badly with X |
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| 23:23.54 | jberg | jelly-home, ah ok. well im in windows now i need to boot debian. but im sure i just need to change the config files and it will be ok. |
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| 23:24.34 | jelly-home | jberg: we haff vays of pastebinning from the console. |
| 23:24.52 | jelly-home | ve* |
| 23:24.57 | jberg | i know |
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| 23:27.03 | alsd | jberg: dpkg -L <package name> should tell you where the config files are, so if they changed you'll find the old one with .dpkg-old appended in the same place, just replace them and retry |
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| 23:27.36 | jberg | okay thanks |
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| 23:32.02 | kanzure | Alsamixer isn't boosting the volume on my system enough. Is there a trick to this? |
| 23:33.08 | alsd | kanzure: use an external amplifier ? ;) |
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| 23:34.04 | kanzure | alsd: What if I want to keep my hands pure? :p |
| 23:34.17 | kanzure | "theory girl" and such comes to mind. |
| 23:34.19 | alsd | kanzure: (just kidding) some alsa drivers have trouble with the mixer settings, AFAICT, try with aumix, worked for me sometimes |
| 23:34.50 | kanzure | alsd: Is this in a separate debian package? |
| 23:35.39 | alsd | kanzure: yes, 'aumix' comes to mind |
| 23:35.43 | valentin_ | Just startet installing debian from usbstick but now it says wrong cd-rom. What can i do? |
| 23:35.52 | valentin_ | i dont have a cd drive on my netbook |
| 23:36.18 | kanzure | alsd: Alright, I'll look into that. Thank you. |
| 23:36.22 | kanzure | 02. |
| 23:36.45 | alsd | valentin_: did you copy an ISO image on your usb stick ? |
| 23:37.06 | valentin_ | alsd yes using unetbootin |
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| 23:38.36 | Bravewolf | jelly-home, alsd: thank you a lot! now everything works well! thanks again |
| 23:38.51 | jelly-home | yay! |
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| 23:39.32 | Bravewolf | will go to bed. 'bye! |
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| 23:41.32 | alsd | valentin_: don't know about this one. you'd better ask them directly, or try it the debian way maybe |
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| 23:42.04 | valentin_ | alsd who is them .. and whats the debian way? |
| 23:42.13 | aakef | Hello all. |
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| 23:43.52 | aakef | Um, I'm sorry, but I have a question for someone, who is a native English speaker. |
| 23:44.11 | ab2283 | aakef: i'm not, but i feel like one. if that helps... |
| 23:44.18 | alsd | valentin_: the people from unetbootin. the debian way is all explained in the install guide |
| 23:44.30 | aakef | Is it "on vertebrates" or "in vertebrates"? " Detection and differentiation of olfactory signals in vertebrates?" |
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| 23:45.30 | ab2283 | aakef: i'd lean towards in |
| 23:45.34 | dmoerner | aakef: "in" although that's rather offtopic haha |
| 23:45.38 | ab2283 | but that's just me :) |
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| 23:45.42 | twiadpaws | lo |
| 23:45.59 | twiadpaws | my harddisk is not listed in fdisk -l but in lsusb, how can i fix this? |
| 23:46.29 | aakef | dmoerner: Thanks! And sorry, but I don't know where it is appropriate to ask. |
| 23:46.45 | alsd | twiadpaws: maybe you don't have usb-storage loaded ? |
| 23:46.45 | aakef | ab2283: Thank you too! |
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| 23:47.16 | stew | aakef: ##English or #freenode |
| 23:47.58 | ab2283 | i have something ontopic :) |
| 23:48.04 | ab2283 | i have a precompiled binary that's troubling me. it's refusing to execute, giving me No such file or directory. strace won't run it either, really, giving me strace: exec: No such file or directory in between. the file itself seems to a proper elf binary |
| 23:48.18 | aakef | stew: Thanks! |
| 23:48.51 | alsd | ab2283: do you have the execute bit set? ('chmod +x <file>') |
| 23:48.57 | frostschutz | ab2283: noexec? ldd? |
| 23:49.12 | ab2283 | alsd: it's 777d |
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| 23:49.42 | ab2283 | root@enterprise:/usr/local/bin# ldd mrmonitord |
| 23:49.42 | ab2283 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.20 | alsd | ab2283: what does 'file mrmonitord' say? |
| 23:50.20 | twiadpaws | i did modprobe usb_storage |
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| 23:50.41 | ab2283 | (FYI: i'm trying to port the lsi megaraid agent part from rpm) |
| 23:51.01 | ab2283 | alsd: mrmonitord: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped |
| 23:51.46 | ab2283 | oh wait |
| 23:51.47 | grendal_prime | i need to start up dnotify on bootup of a machine. but for whatever reason when fire it off..it causes the machine to hang with this message "starting periodic comand scheduler crond" |
| 23:51.50 | alsd | ab2283: there's something strange : dynamically linked for file, but not for ldd |
| 23:52.01 | ab2283 | damn |
| 23:52.08 | grendal_prime | I can start up dnotify with the same options after it has booted by hand. |
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| 23:52.16 | twiadpaws | so usb_storage is loaed |
| 23:52.16 | ab2283 | my x86_64 host won't run 32bit binaries, right ? |
| 23:52.18 | twiadpaws | loaded* |
| 23:52.21 | twiadpaws | hat else could it be? |
| 23:52.34 | stew | ab2283: it can |
| 23:52.45 | grendal_prime | but i need for it to start durring boot. Ive tried creating a init.d start up script, and just using rc.local both methods result in the same error. |
| 23:52.56 | alsd | twiadpaws: can you put dmesg output on pastebin? |
| 23:53.02 | ab2283 | stew: ok good, got me there for a moment |
| 23:53.12 | grendal_prime | i cant find any logs that help out with this. |
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| 23:53.18 | ab2283 | or not good, doesn't help |
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| 23:55.03 | ab2283 | any other ideas ? |
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| 23:56.27 | twiadpaws | dmesg? |
| 23:56.31 | alsd | ab2283: maybe install the 32bit environment for amd64? as in 'libc6-i686' iirc (im not on amd64 right now |
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| 23:56.36 | twiadpaws | pastebin? |
| 23:56.42 | Enverex | Does anyone have a Sid sources.list file? I just installed from CD and after booting the only sources listed are the CD (and it doesn't have any GUI for me to work from) |
| 23:56.51 | aakef | ab2283: You are not trying to run it from a partition, that does not allow executing? |
| 23:56.59 | Pulpie | does anyone know if the debian kernel supports palm hardware with the arm processor? |
| 23:57.24 | alsd | !tell twiadpaws about pastebin |
| 23:57.37 | grendal_prime | this is so frustrating..i have another machine with the exact same configureation and it works fine |
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| 23:57.47 | ab2283 | aakef: nope |
| 23:58.11 | ab2283 | alsd: i think that's the right track. thanks for the pointer. i'll get on that right away, but shouldn't it be libc6-i386 ? |
| 23:58.49 | alsd | twiadpaws: copy and paste the output from the 'dmesg' command ran from a terminal on pastebin |
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| 23:59.32 | K_Sakura | Is there any tool to mount a qemu disk image file as a drive? |
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